| 00:01.26 | Adys | it just stands there⢠|
| 00:01.56 | Adys | I run experimental stuff on it |
| 00:02.26 | Adys | bye Addybot! |
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| 00:17.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2005-12/1690_seXcautaXingineri.jpg |
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| 00:21.54 | Adys | night all |
| 00:22.01 | Cruciformer | night |
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| 00:47.51 | Thunder_Child | lol, i'm using a program called beatunes and it's analysing my muisc library atm. ETA to completion Jul 7, 2009 |
| 00:48.07 | nevcairiel | thats only 2 days |
| 00:48.19 | Thunder_Child | thats a long time |
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| 00:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You should move off of that 386SX |
| 00:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Or, get a better program |
| 00:48.42 | Fumler | self:FindIcon() |
| 00:48.47 | Thunder_Child | or not have 22K+ songs |
| 00:48.48 | Fumler | anyone know where I can get the iconid's? |
| 00:49.23 | Arrowmaster | Fumler: you arent making much sense |
| 00:49.35 | Fumler | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13675-InterruptIcons.html#info |
| 00:49.56 | Arrowmaster | what about it? |
| 00:49.57 | Fumler | I'm modifying this addon |
| 00:50.03 | Fumler | to add Spell Reflect |
| 00:50.31 | Fumler | And in his code he has self:FindIcon() |
| 00:50.38 | Fumler | to add icons for the spells |
| 00:50.45 | Fumler | but I dont know the iconid for spell reflect |
| 00:51.04 | Arrowmaster | its probably the spellid |
| 00:51.08 | foxlit | What has your mother told you about modifying addons you don't know the inner workings of? :) |
| 00:51.20 | Fumler | no dont think so Arrowmaster |
| 00:51.29 | Fumler | shield bash spellid= 72 |
| 00:51.36 | Fumler | and he uses |
| 00:51.36 | Fumler | icon = self:FindIcon(6552) |
| 00:52.28 | Arrowmaster | 6552 is pummel |
| 00:53.03 | Arrowmaster | which i see in the screenshots on that page |
| 00:53.31 | Corrodias | my old old old old computer had a 100mhz 486dx4 cpu |
| 00:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.28 | Cruciformer | heh. I had to do with a 486sx/33 I believe it was. |
| 00:54.57 | Cruciformer | and I ran Xenix on it and had an 8-user BBS. |
| 00:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I went from a 286 to a 386 to a 486dc |
| 00:55.58 | ScytheBlade1 | and then to a 133MHz somethingorother |
| 00:56.53 | Arrowmaster | theres a 166mhz next to my foot |
| 01:10.50 | Wobin | heh |
| 01:10.56 | Wobin | this worgen is totally going to be nerfed |
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| 01:11.18 | Wobin | now that wowinsider are onto it |
| 01:11.18 | Corrodias | BOOM nick kill! |
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| 01:15.14 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 01:15.14 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgbCg3G4A70 |
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| 01:15.18 | Wobin | I love the lady at the end |
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| 01:25.24 | Arrowmaster | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/6228-Yahtzees-Prototype-vs-InFamous-Challenge |
| 01:25.40 | Arrowmaster | i fucking love Yahtzee |
| 01:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | people do things other than watch his movies? |
| 01:25.54 | Corrodias | mmm, "dick potential" |
| 01:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 01:45.16 | tekkub | I'm missing potential dick? BLAST! |
| 01:45.51 | Thunder_Child | ~lart tekkub |
| 01:45.51 | purl | throws tekkub's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 01:46.04 | tekkub | IMMUNE |
| 01:46.10 | Thunder_Child | ~lart tekkub |
| 01:46.10 | purl | steals tekkub's mojo |
| 01:46.16 | tekkub | IMMUNE |
| 01:46.30 | Thunder_Child | only because you have none |
| 01:46.57 | tekkub | no what? |
| 01:51.04 | sacarasc | Doggies or mojo. |
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| 01:52.58 | yalin | anyone here ? |
| 01:53.50 | Thunder_Child | somewhat |
| 01:57.03 | Corrodias | barely |
| 01:57.41 | Thunder_Child | we didnt need to know you dont have any clothes on |
| 01:58.20 | Corrodias | bears the load and bares his bear with a bearish demeanor. |
| 02:02.06 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Too easy :( |
| 02:04.23 | Thunder_Child | glares @ Shirik |
| 02:04.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:11.31 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, easy? |
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| 02:12.02 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Jelly_ |
| 02:12.03 | purl | gives Jelly_ an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Jelly_ to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 02:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~~. |
| 02:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 02:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid session locking up |
| 02:34.55 | Shirik | yeah easy Thunder_Child |
| 02:35.00 | Shirik | it's just simple substitution |
| 02:35.29 | |Jelly| | ~~~~ |
| 02:35.30 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT |jelly|!!! |
| 02:35.32 | Thunder_Child | oh that |
| 02:35.39 | |Jelly| | hugs Shirik. |
| 02:35.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i didnt say it was hard i just thought it was amusing |
| 02:35.55 | Shirik | it is |
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| 02:47.23 | Thunder_Child | anyone play a pvp mage? |
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| 03:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know what block size gzip reads in? |
| 03:16.54 | Thunder_Child | There is no block size for gzip. gzip produces one continuous |
| 03:16.54 | Thunder_Child | stream. pigz's "block size" is needed in order to break up the work |
| 03:16.54 | Thunder_Child | into independent chunks. |
| 03:17.04 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, answer? ^^ |
| 03:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I'm looking for |
| 03:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | How big said chunk is |
| 03:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I think it's 32K |
| 03:18.33 | Thunder_Child | "Well, I'm no expert on compression algoriths, but from what I can recall, gzip and bzip2 work in similar ways: they take a chunk of data (size depending on the compression level) and compress it based on similar tokens." |
| 03:27.14 | tekkub | am I a bad person for secretly hoping that one of the in-laws redneck neighbors blows off a finger, or maybe a whole hand? |
| 03:29.40 | Nechckn | but what if they singed some fur, tekkub? =) |
| 03:30.25 | tekkub | well okey, not the "bubbas" cause they tend to be cute... how about rooting for the (many) children instead? |
| 03:30.38 | Nechckn | lol, nice.. I think. |
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| 04:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://thereifixedit.com/2009/05/12/epic-kludge-photo-sharpie-paint-job/ |
| 04:37.21 | Hirsute | Yay for endless updates |
| 04:37.55 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | almost done with them? |
| 04:38.09 | Hirsute | Hrmmm... let's see... |
| 04:38.32 | Hirsute | 50 more to download, then I a total of 67 to install -_- |
| 04:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:38.41 | Hirsute | s/I a/a/ |
| 04:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | What OS? |
| 04:38.58 | Hirsute | Windows XP x65 |
| 04:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | 65? Neat |
| 04:39.04 | Hirsute | s/x65/x64/ |
| 04:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, something tells me that -- er, oh, XP |
| 04:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 04:39.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You're a terrible person |
| 04:39.35 | Hirsute | There's no SP3 for x64, so I can't get all of those neat little updates in one nice package. |
| 04:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 04:39.53 | Hirsute | Just not worth it for me to pay for Vista on this machine. I'll buy 7 for it when it is released. |
| 04:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll be soon |
| 04:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, relatively |
| 04:40.49 | Hirsute | I'm currently dual-booting XP and the 7 RC on it, but my wife is much more comfortable on XP. I'm trying to acclimate her to 7 using the RC so we can upgrade as soon as it's released. |
| 04:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 04:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I hope you don't mean upgrade the 7 RC --> 7 Retail |
| 04:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That takes a full format |
| 04:42.05 | Hirsute | Nope |
| 04:42.26 | Hirsute | 7 RC is on a second HD, we'll update XP to 7 retail |
| 04:42.26 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 04:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't go XP --> 7 either |
| 04:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to have vista in the middle there |
| 04:42.40 | Hirsute | .... |
| 04:42.49 | Hirsute | Well that's disappointing. |
| 04:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And even then I don't think they support going XP *64* --> Vista (anythin) |
| 04:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | But they may |
| 04:44.34 | Hirsute | Well, I'll worry about that when the time comes, I suppose. |
| 04:45.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't be any worse than what you just did |
| 04:45.28 | Hirsute | *nod* Probably a lot better, in the end. |
| 04:45.38 | Hirsute | Because I won't have 70+ security updates to install |
| 04:45.43 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | no kidding |
| 04:47.40 | Hirsute | Something's weird with FF, though. The fonts are looking odd. I'm wondering if the Video driver didn't install correctly. |
| 04:47.59 | End | huh |
| 04:48.03 | End | I think I smell smoke |
| 04:48.13 | Hirsute | End: You in the US? |
| 04:48.38 | Hirsute | (because I am, and I know *I* smell smoke) |
| 04:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 04:48.44 | End | yes |
| 04:48.57 | Hirsute | Lot's of fireworks going off around you? |
| 04:49.09 | End | yeah. I'd be more concerned if it was any other day. |
| 04:49.16 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 04:49.30 | Hirsute | My dad (a firefighter) is working today. He hates working on the 4th. |
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| 04:50.00 | Hirsute | Yay. Only 20 more updates to download |
| 04:50.09 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 04:53.21 | batrick | man network scanners take so long to do performance measurements on |
| 05:06.44 | End | PAPERS PLEASE |
| 05:14.34 | Ackis | [23:13:43][W:From] [Kaifarik:80]: well wtb addon that will place my poisons into some special bag cuz it takes sooo much place in normal bags |
| 05:14.37 | Ackis | ^ |
| 05:14.39 | Ackis | any suggestions? |
| 05:17.09 | Lukian | hahahha |
| 05:17.12 | Lukian | ^ |
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| 05:26.34 | Hirsute | Yay! Updates installed. Time for the reboot. |
| 05:26.36 | Hirsute | waves |
| 05:28.56 | Tem | any horde around? |
| 05:29.14 | End | yes |
| 05:29.16 | Tem | Is there a shortcut from Hammerfall to Revantusk Village that Alliance doesn't know about? |
| 05:29.36 | End | nope |
| 05:29.42 | End | you could swim up the coast I guess |
| 05:29.45 | End | but that's a long cut |
| 05:30.26 | End | I'm pretty sure most horde go from tarren mill through the pass in hillsbrad |
| 05:31.44 | Tem | I was just hoping there was a faster way to get there |
| 05:31.47 | Tem | I'm alliance |
| 05:31.56 | Tem | and just finished with hammerfall |
| 05:32.08 | End | you'll just have to go from aerie peak then |
| 05:32.39 | Torhal | Tem: There's a path from WPL south of Scholomance. |
| 05:32.47 | Torhal | Not that that helps you |
| 05:32.47 | Tem | that doesn't help me |
| 05:32.49 | Torhal | But... |
| 05:32.50 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 05:32.57 | Tem | I knew about that path |
| 05:32.59 | End | he should know about that |
| 05:34.06 | Tem | oh man |
| 05:34.12 | Tem | I should have just path of frosted around the coast |
| 05:34.21 | End | although, I guess it might not be a normal path for alliance either |
| 05:34.50 | End | I'd think flying from refuge point to aerie peak would be faster? |
| 05:35.10 | End | although |
| 05:35.22 | End | there's a cool random little farm on the coast you wouldn't normally see |
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| 05:41.49 | ZorbaTHut | don't suppose anyone knows where I could find a list of blizzard Map IDs? |
| 05:42.30 | ZorbaTHut | they've decided to expose them from, as near as I can tell, precisely one API. and the data is never used anywhere, but it'd still be useful for me :P |
| 05:42.45 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: its in the mpq's |
| 05:43.03 | Arrowmaster | same file as all the zone sizes and possitions |
| 05:43.28 | Arrowmaster | its the first column |
| 05:43.33 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, know where I'd start with extracting that? I've never dug into mpqs before, I don't know what software or what file |
| 05:44.02 | Arrowmaster | @project data-tools |
| 05:44.03 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/data-tools/. DataTools. Game: WoW. kagaro (Manager/Author), Ackis (Author). Updated: 16 days ago. Tickets: 4/48 |
| 05:44.10 | Arrowmaster | you can use that but the index will be off by one |
| 05:44.25 | Arrowmaster | or you can use something like MyWarCraftStudio |
| 05:44.46 | Arrowmaster | although to use data-tools you would need to extract the files from the mpqs first |
| 05:45.56 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I'll check that out. what file would I find the zone sizes and positions in, or how would I locate it? |
| 05:46.10 | Arrowmaster | WorldMapArea.dbc i think |
| 05:46.25 | ZorbaTHut | cool, thanks |
| 05:47.11 | Arrowmaster | data-tools comes with an example for getting info from WorldMapArea.dbc |
| 05:47.52 | Arrowmaster | i use "ladik's mpq editor" for extracting dbc files |
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| 06:51.42 | ZorbaTHut | I find myself incredibly curious where WoW gets its map IDs from. they seem to be basically random numbers |
| 06:55.49 | End | map id for continents, or area ids? |
| 06:56.22 | End | I don't even know why I'm asking |
| 06:56.30 | End | either way, when they add a new entry, the id goes up |
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| 07:13.14 | ZorbaTHut | no, "map ID" as the internal value |
| 07:13.23 | ZorbaTHut | it seems to be a semirandom number between 0 and 4096 |
| 07:13.38 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few low-numbered map IDs, from 1 to (I think) 6 |
| 07:14.14 | ZorbaTHut | but then orgrimmar is 1637 and dragonblight is 65 |
| 07:14.35 | ZorbaTHut | oh, no, goes over 4096. yeah, I'm just confused |
| 07:15.06 | ZorbaTHut | zuldrak is 66, storm peaks is 67, icecrown is 210, sholazar is 3711. what. |
| 07:18.11 | Vilkku | so, any suggestions for mods to handle emblem spam in the chat frame? :D |
| 07:18.30 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: thats not mapid |
| 07:18.33 | Arrowmaster | thats something else |
| 07:19.01 | Wobin | Vilkku: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 07:19.12 | ZorbaTHut | zone_data.rb dumps it as "mapid" :P |
| 07:19.45 | Arrowmaster | dragonblight is over 500 |
| 07:20.20 | Vilkku | Wobin, interesting, thanks |
| 07:22.53 | End | ZorbaTHut: the number of "map ids" is bigger than you think |
| 07:23.02 | End | each subzone has an id as well |
| 07:23.19 | ZorbaTHut | end, it's not necessarily the numbers I find curious, it's the ordering and grouping |
| 07:23.33 | End | yeah, I guess I'm not sure I understand either |
| 07:24.45 | End | I could make a guess though |
| 07:24.52 | End | they removed some old area ids |
| 07:25.59 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: you have the wrong id's |
| 07:26.13 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, how do I get the right IDs, then? |
| 07:26.25 | End | Arrowmaster: it's the ids that wowhead uses ;p |
| 07:26.41 | Arrowmaster | End: 65 for dragonblight? |
| 07:26.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's the ids that zone_data spits out |
| 07:26.46 | End | yup |
| 07:26.55 | ZorbaTHut | pulled out of the file that you said they were in, from the location you said they were in |
| 07:27.15 | End | http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=65 |
| 07:28.09 | Arrowmaster | dragonblight is 489 |
| 07:29.41 | End | well |
| 07:29.53 | End | there's probably multiple ids associated with it |
| 07:30.01 | End | dragonblight's -area id- is definitely 65 |
| 07:30.23 | End | the seperate id, for handling maps |
| 07:30.35 | End | is 488 |
| 07:31.11 | Arrowmaster | no its 489 |
| 07:31.25 | End | where are you getting 489 from? |
| 07:31.27 | ZorbaTHut | do you have any evidence for this? |
| 07:31.30 | End | which table? |
| 07:31.32 | Arrowmaster | i addded one to whats in the dbc |
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| 07:31.46 | Arrowmaster | i do have evidence |
| 07:31.59 | Arrowmaster | WorldMapFrame.lua |
| 07:32.00 | Arrowmaster | WORLDMAP_WINTERGRASP_ID = 502; |
| 07:32.15 | Arrowmaster | http://paste.wowace.com/846/ |
| 07:32.41 | Arrowmaster | the first number in the output is the id |
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| 07:32.57 | Shirik | rawrs |
| 07:33.36 | Shirik | fine screw you all too |
| 07:33.52 | End | hi Shirik |
| 07:34.56 | Shirik | hi End |
| 07:35.32 | End | that api function is trying to confuse us |
| 07:35.40 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 07:35.41 | End | since the area table doesn't use those ids at all |
| 07:35.50 | Arrowmaster | because thats not areas |
| 07:35.52 | Arrowmaster | thats zone |
| 07:35.55 | Arrowmaster | theres a difference |
| 07:36.11 | End | GetCurrentMapAreaID()? |
| 07:36.32 | Arrowmaster | whoever said the 3rd value was the areaid was wrong then |
| 07:36.39 | Arrowmaster | its named something else |
| 07:37.25 | End | oh, wait, I guess there's just multiple definition of areas |
| 07:37.36 | Arrowmaster | it all makes perfect sense to me, i never once thought it was anything other than the first value |
| 07:37.44 | Arrowmaster | End: like a billion |
| 07:37.55 | End | hm |
| 07:37.56 | End | well |
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| 07:38.05 | End | when I think AreaId, I think of AreaTable's contents |
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| 07:38.20 | End | which is what wowhead uses, and what ZorbaTHut is trying to use |
| 07:38.38 | ZorbaTHut | really I'm just trying to get something useful out of QuestMapGetPOIInfoForQuest |
| 07:38.39 | End | which is the 3rd column of WorldMapArea |
| 07:38.56 | End | ZorbaTHut: does that api function return 65 for dragonblight? |
| 07:38.58 | ZorbaTHut | which is proving shockingly difficult, though I think that's partially because on the PTR it's hideously broken |
| 07:39.02 | Arrowmaster | End: no |
| 07:39.16 | ZorbaTHut | end, if I had a quest with an objective in Dragonblight, that had the objective in the right place, that was returning sane values from that function, I'd tell you ;) |
| 07:39.25 | Arrowmaster | End: it returns 502 in wintergrasp |
| 07:39.29 | End | 0,0 is perfectly acceptable! |
| 07:39.31 | End | but ok |
| 07:39.32 | End | that's good |
| 07:39.45 | End | since you don't want that sort of area id anyway |
| 07:40.00 | ZorbaTHut | however, out of the quests that I currently have, about 2/3 of the quests apparently don't have known objective locations and 2/3 of the remainder are blatantly, incredibly wrong |
| 07:40.40 | ZorbaTHut | I guess I'll just wait for the next PTR, right now it's essentially impossible to code for that API |
| 07:40.57 | Shirik | So I have determined taking shots of fireworks is extremely difficult |
| 07:41.03 | End | hm |
| 07:41.06 | End | that is strange |
| 07:41.28 | End | AreaTable maps back to WorldMapArea |
| 07:41.30 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was known that most the quests didnt have proper data |
| 07:41.39 | End | and the ids are incremented by one like the api call |
| 07:42.00 | Arrowmaster | End: i think the first column in every dbc is off by one |
| 07:42.14 | End | really? that's strange |
| 07:42.27 | End | no |
| 07:42.32 | End | AreaTable isn't off by one |
| 07:42.41 | End | WorldMapArea's mapping to AreaTable is correct |
| 07:42.52 | Arrowmaster | i dont know then |
| 07:42.59 | End | I don't either |
| 07:43.21 | End | probably just...some strangeness with the way Blizzard handles the data, I guess |
| 07:43.33 | Arrowmaster | its blizzard |
| 07:43.36 | Arrowmaster | what do you expect |
| 07:44.01 | End | I'm not even sure what to expect anymore ;p |
| 07:44.45 | Arrowmaster | if it makes sense expect it to be wrong and hotfixed shortly |
| 07:46.12 | Fisker | hates Arrowmaster |
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| 07:59.29 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know of a clean way to render an arbitrary triangle? I've thought of some messy ones, but no elegant ones |
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| 08:06.12 | Shirik | TC-Away: ping |
| 08:08.11 | End | ZorbaTHut: you mean how to fill one? |
| 08:08.34 | ZorbaTHut | end, yeah, a filled triangle |
| 08:08.58 | End | offhand, I don't |
| 08:10.53 | End | (although, I used to have a book that might have helped) |
| 08:13.05 | Arrowmaster | cant you do something with texture:SetTexCoord() |
| 08:13.21 | End | probably |
| 08:13.26 | ZorbaTHut | that's what I'm hoping |
| 08:16.44 | Shirik | ok night |
| 08:16.51 | End | nighty Shirik |
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| 08:54.44 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:55.09 | Cruciformer | mornin all |
| 08:58.10 | Fisker | kills Cruciformer |
| 08:58.32 | Cruciformer | feigns death |
| 08:58.43 | Fisker | you can't feign death while dead |
| 08:59.12 | Cruciformer | fuck. and its such a long walk to the nearest graveyard. bastard. |
| 09:00.04 | Fisker | no respawns irl |
| 09:00.07 | Cruciformer | wow two swearwords so early in the morning. its gonna be one of THOSE days. |
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| 09:01.44 | Spellbinder | password recovery tool for windows, any one knows any good? |
| 09:02.13 | Cruciformer | Spellbinder: format C:; setup.exe and reinstall. |
| 09:03.10 | Spellbinder | sweet |
| 09:03.24 | Industrial | which events are for mounting up and down? |
| 09:03.51 | Fisker | what version of windows Spellbinder ? |
| 09:04.11 | Cruciformer | pretty much any event that involves flowers lets me mount up and down industrial. grrls like flowers. |
| 09:04.14 | Spellbinder | i'm guessing XP maybe Vista |
| 09:04.25 | Fisker | Try http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/ |
| 09:04.30 | Fisker | Unless you have encrypted files |
| 09:04.34 | Fisker | then you're fucked |
| 09:04.35 | Fisker | :3 |
| 09:04.49 | Industrial | Fisker the haxxor |
| 09:05.26 | Industrial | onder if BM can solo chillmaw |
| 09:05.26 | Industrial | guess not |
| 09:05.26 | Spellbinder | hmm, i don't think it is those psw's but thx |
| 09:07.50 | Industrial | did it with 2 hunters \:d/ |
| 09:08.36 | Fisker | wut Spellbinder ? |
| 09:08.55 | Spellbinder | nm it's all ok :) |
| 09:09.32 | Fisker | If it's not the user account password you need to change then i don't know what you're trying to tell me |
| 09:09.34 | Spellbinder | smokes his little smoke, drinks his little drink and dance the night awaaaaaay |
| 09:09.39 | Industrial | lol, <EMO STOLY MY DAGGER> |
| 09:09.41 | Industrial | niz. |
| 09:09.44 | Spellbinder | it's not |
| 09:09.44 | Fisker | slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:10.02 | Spellbinder | but i found an app so all is allright |
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| 09:11.15 | Wobin | hm |
| 09:11.15 | Wobin | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2456/3689019223_7c50ec2dfc_o.jpg |
| 09:11.18 | Wobin | it's a bit messy... |
| 09:11.28 | Wobin | but I think I did an alright job =P |
| 09:13.19 | Cruciformer | I think so too, thats pretty cool. I'd crop it down a bit to get rid of some of the whitespace but other than that its pretty neat. well done. |
| 09:13.45 | Cruciformer | I suspect many hours of getting the mask right in photoshop :) |
| 09:15.16 | Wobin | hehe gimp =) |
| 09:15.23 | Cruciformer | same difference :) |
| 09:15.30 | Wobin | and using most of the different selection tools at different thresholds |
| 09:15.38 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/3689019223/ |
| 09:15.42 | Wobin | for different sizes |
| 09:16.30 | Cruciformer | Now if u had a good 3d package you could have had them holding a bright blue cloth, masked on color (bluescreened it) and applied the flag texture afterwards :) |
| 09:16.37 | Fisker | pulls out a knife |
| 09:16.49 | Wobin | actually only took me...one and a half hours |
| 09:17.07 | Fisker | <-starcraft tiems |
| 09:17.09 | Wobin | most of that was figuring out how to do stuff =) |
| 09:17.22 | Cruciformer | Fisker: SC2? |
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| 09:27.08 | Adys | Find the error |
| 09:27.18 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.20 | Adys | I was born in 1987 |
| 09:27.22 | Adys | Weird, I fucked your mom in 1986.... |
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| 09:27.54 | Wobin | ...9 months? |
| 09:27.57 | Wobin | what? |
| 09:28.05 | Adys | Did someone say there's no error? You are correct! Slashdot just got a very poor sense of humor |
| 09:28.06 | Cruciformer | Adys: There is no spoon. |
| 09:29.59 | Adys | I need some people's opinions |
| 09:30.04 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/48120/obsidian-hatchling/ |
| 09:30.22 | Adys | Would the screenshot be better in a 300x250-ish format, between the tooltip and the infobox? |
| 09:30.50 | Cruciformer | yes |
| 09:31.43 | Adys | okay, just waiting for someone to say no so I can have a very clear and accurate representation of what the masses want |
| 09:32.34 | Cruciformer | BTW since that page is obvious generated, why not look at what browser the person is using and if they are using Chrome, not put the "try google chrome" thing in :) |
| 09:32.57 | Adys | it does that |
| 09:33.04 | Adys | whats your user agent? |
| 09:33.13 | Cruciformer | Not so much. I using chrome and its showing it to me |
| 09:33.23 | nevcairiel | same here, shows it in chrome |
| 09:33.29 | Adys | doesn't here O_o |
| 09:33.38 | Adys | go to about: and paste me your UA |
| 09:33.41 | nevcairiel | granted i'm on dev channel, if that matters |
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| 09:34.15 | Cruciformer | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/530.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/2.0.172.33 Safari/530.5 |
| 09:34.20 | Adys | bs keybinds |
| 09:34.22 | Adys | repaste |
| 09:34.23 | nevcairiel | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/531.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.190.4 Safari/531.0 |
| 09:35.04 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: I thought I was in teh devchannel too but you have a much later version. wtf. |
| 09:35.20 | Adys | 3.0.x is latest |
| 09:35.21 | Wobin | Adys: yes |
| 09:35.22 | nevcairiel | you probably used the channel switcher |
| 09:35.26 | nevcairiel | which doesnt work |
| 09:35.31 | Adys | Cruciformer, nevcairiel, http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/48120/stopcachingme |
| 09:35.32 | Cruciformer | o |
| 09:35.34 | Adys | how bout that? |
| 09:35.35 | nevcairiel | i installed the dev channel thing manually |
| 09:35.44 | nevcairiel | has it for me too |
| 09:36.07 | Cruciformer | same |
| 09:36.26 | Adys | http://www.apinc.org/phpinfo.php |
| 09:36.31 | Adys | search for http_user_agent |
| 09:36.35 | Adys | is it displayed? |
| 09:36.46 | nevcairiel | user_agentno value |
| 09:36.50 | Adys | not tha tone |
| 09:36.56 | nevcairiel | oh wait |
| 09:36.58 | Adys | s/a t/at / |
| 09:37.01 | nevcairiel | yeah it displays |
| 09:37.07 | nevcairiel | HTTP_USER_AGENTMozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/531.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.190.4 Safari/531.0 |
| 09:37.13 | Cruciformer | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/530.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/2.0.172.33 Safari/530.5 |
| 09:37.33 | Adys | {% ua "webkit" nomatch %}<div id="footer-chrome">Try <a href="/chrome">Google Chrome</a>!</div>{% endua %} |
| 09:37.39 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: wheres the url for the devchannel releases? |
| 09:37.45 | Adys | dev.chromium |
| 09:37.51 | Adys | .org/dev |
| 09:37.53 | Adys | er |
| 09:37.58 | Adys | devchannel |
| 09:38.04 | nevcairiel | http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel |
| 09:38.10 | Adys | http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel/ |
| 09:38.22 | Cruciformer | tyvm |
| 09:41.05 | Cruciformer | i hate the chome logo. too similar to the windows media icon |
| 09:41.27 | Cruciformer | about: |
| 09:41.33 | Adys | why don't you hate something meaningful instead, like the windows media icon |
| 09:41.40 | Adys | which by the way is WAY too similar to the chrome logo |
| 09:41.44 | Adys | small things |
| 09:42.11 | Cruciformer | chicken. egg. |
| 09:42.18 | Wobin | well... no |
| 09:42.23 | Wobin | one of them -must- have come before the other |
| 09:42.32 | Cruciformer | yes windows media came first. |
| 09:42.42 | Hjalte | Chicken was first. Did all the other animals start as babies? |
| 09:43.05 | Hjalte | cubs* / small animals* / cuties* |
| 09:43.12 | Wobin | Egg first, as there were eggs before there were birds |
| 09:43.25 | Cruciformer | neither came first ... the rooster did. |
| 09:43.33 | Wobin | ~rimshot |
| 09:43.33 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 09:43.38 | Adys | Wobin: but the chrome logo is just simon's quest in a transparent pokeball |
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| 09:49.21 | Adys | ~wwquotes |
| 09:49.21 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes |
| 09:49.42 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 09:49.43 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 10:04.48 | zenzelezz | hi, I'm Internet Explorer. Your style tag said your width is 468px, so I made you 534px wide. Enjoy your stay. |
| 10:06.44 | Spellbinder | sweet |
| 10:10.45 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:11.04 | Fisker | y so srs? |
| 10:11.04 | Spellbinder | 534 wth |
| 10:11.09 | Cruciformer | hrm chrome still doesnt launch java stuff properly, like the wws or wol clients |
| 10:11.10 | Spellbinder | why 534? |
| 10:11.18 | Spellbinder | thats nuts |
| 10:11.40 | Fisker | baw Cruciformer :( |
| 10:13.16 | Cruciformer | Im wondering if its becuas there are no suffixes registered for any of the java stuff when I do about:plugins. |
| 10:13.32 | Cruciformer | Perhaps if it knew what a .jnlp file was it would do it |
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| 10:40.35 | Wobin | isn't that the netlauncher installer? |
| 10:40.55 | Cruciformer | pardon wobin? |
| 10:45.12 | Wobin | oh "if it" |
| 10:45.23 | Wobin | I read that as "if I" |
| 10:45.37 | Cruciformer | ah. |
| 10:46.11 | Cruciformer | It would be nice if chrome had even some vague notion of an extension manager I think. That could solve this type of thing. |
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| 11:02.20 | zenzelezz | for those of you who noticed my IE issue, I found the problem. The element in question was a table cell (<td>) which was part of a table where one cell had a colspan. Apparently using colspans messed up IE |
| 11:03.53 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:04.06 | Fisker | i slapped you |
| 11:04.12 | Fisker | what are you going to do about it? |
| 11:04.25 | zenzelezz | post on myspace, facebook and tip off Digg |
| 11:05.06 | Cruciformer | I wanna know what the deal is withmIRC and trout. I think its very speciesist. They should make it salmon for a release or two. |
| 11:06.00 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing Khaled just liked the fish slapping dance |
| 11:06.42 | zenzelezz | or whatever the mIRC guy's name is |
| 11:06.54 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:06.56 | Cruciformer | sounds right to me |
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| 13:03.02 | Wobin | ugh |
| 13:03.05 | Wobin | I hate writing cover letters |
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| 13:07.07 | Kalroth | "this dude is the best u shud heer his jokes lol they maek me laugh haha" |
| 13:07.08 | Kalroth | Done! |
| 13:08.30 | Wobin | that's a letter of recommendation |
| 13:08.33 | Wobin | not a cover letter =P |
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| 14:00.36 | zenzelezz | Wowhead seems to be running in light mode |
| 14:00.53 | jnwhiteh | Hey all, back from Iceland! |
| 14:01.04 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: with a stylesheet for me =p |
| 14:01.08 | nevcairiel | welcome back jnwhiteh |
| 14:01.18 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: interesting, they fail for me |
| 14:01.32 | nevcairiel | hm appears it was cached |
| 14:01.37 | nevcairiel | reload made it blank |
| 14:01.41 | nevcairiel | static server seems down |
| 14:27.55 | Wobin | welcome back to the land of the midnight... night, jnwhiteh |
| 14:28.01 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 14:28.07 | jnwhiteh | the lack of sun was disturbing. |
| 14:28.27 | Wobin | It's like daylight savings, but 10 times as surprising =) |
| 14:28.27 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 14:28.29 | jnwhiteh | the lack of night |
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| 14:32.06 | mikma | lal |
| 14:32.20 | mikma | i just had to put one of my all time favorite movies on! |
| 14:32.23 | mikma | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117500/ |
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| 14:37.22 | Jamash | is there a reliable way to detect a reloadui as opposed to regular login? |
| 14:38.09 | jnwhiteh | hook the function |
| 14:38.18 | jnwhiteh | tho that misses /console reloadui |
| 14:38.22 | jnwhiteh | unless you hook that slash command as well |
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| 14:39.34 | mikma | there was some event that fires only with reloadui? |
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| 14:42.36 | cbreak | why? |
| 14:42.46 | Jamash | my issue is that pet info is available at COMPANION_UPDATE on login but that doesn't fire on reloadui |
| 14:43.16 | mikma | delay it? |
| 14:43.37 | jnwhiteh | mikma: PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD fires, but that also fires when zoning. |
| 14:43.53 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: use IsLoggedIn() |
| 14:44.08 | jnwhiteh | it tells you whether PLAYER_LOGIN has already fired or not |
| 14:44.09 | mikma | well, use PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD and unregister it when it fires |
| 14:44.18 | Jamash | so there's a critical window on reloadui when I won't be able to tell what pet the player is learning if they learn it |
| 14:44.20 | mikma | or, what jnwhiteh said |
| 14:44.23 | jnwhiteh | so if you watch for PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and check IsLoggedIn() |
| 14:44.26 | jnwhiteh | you may be able to discern |
| 14:44.33 | jnwhiteh | ohai mikma! |
| 14:44.38 | jnwhiteh | how was your holiday |
| 14:44.39 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 14:44.41 | Jamash | hmm, I'll try that |
| 14:45.02 | mikma | jnwhiteh: HAI ICELANDMAN!, liek http://mikma.reaktio.net/crete/ (gsm pictures yey) |
| 14:45.26 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 14:45.27 | mikma | jnwhiteh: rented a car and drove ~500km at the mountains |
| 14:45.31 | jnwhiteh | hawt =) |
| 14:45.34 | mikma | jebus christ how awesome that was |
| 14:45.54 | Jamash | my current solution is to register for all events and check whether companion info is available but that's really ugly |
| 14:47.34 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: you'd be much better off delaying it by say.. 2.0 seconds after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 14:47.37 | mikma | wobin asked for pictures, and, yes, we took pretty much like 500+ of them with 2 cameras xD |
| 14:47.45 | jnwhiteh | and then re-start the timer if its not available yet |
| 14:47.51 | jnwhiteh | much "better" |
| 14:47.54 | jnwhiteh | but what I gave you may work |
| 14:48.10 | Wobin | see... |
| 14:48.12 | Jamash | I'll try IsLoggedIn |
| 14:48.16 | Wobin | I'm more used to beaches looking like: http://www.sydney-australia.biz/itineraries/bondi_beach.jpg |
| 14:48.45 | mikma | wobin: http://images.google.com/images?oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=elafonissi&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=Qb1QSpSNA5SD-QbmuvmxDw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1 |
| 14:48.56 | Odlaw | just register all events, print the events when they occur, and when pet is available.. then you can figure out what event to look for? |
| 14:49.01 | mikma | wobin: sorry for the url-monster, but we visited that beach |
| 14:49.07 | Wobin | looks about the same, then =) |
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| 14:49.44 | Wobin | mikma: http://images.google.com.au/images?q=bondi+beach&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=DL1QSoH9HJOssgOO5uSpBQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5 |
| 14:50.02 | jnwhiteh | Odlaw: hw knows when the info is available normally |
| 14:50.05 | mikma | bondage beach |
| 14:50.07 | jnwhiteh | but reloads don't always cause teh same events to fire |
| 14:50.16 | jnwhiteh | so finding some _other_ event is highly unlikely |
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| 14:50.35 | Jamash | the issue is that pet info is available at COMPANION_UPDATE on regular login but UPDATE_BINDINGS (for some reason) at reloadui |
| 14:50.45 | Jamash | I suppose I could just register for both |
| 14:51.17 | jnwhiteh | well update bindings isn't "right" either |
| 14:51.19 | jnwhiteh | sounds like co-incidence |
| 14:51.23 | jnwhiteh | not really something to rely on |
| 14:51.24 | Odlaw | well.. was thinking like UNIT_PET, or SPELLS_CHANGED |
| 14:51.33 | jnwhiteh | Odlaw: those are different.. the right event is COMPANION_UPDATE |
| 14:51.37 | Jamash | unit_pet is for combat pets |
| 14:51.37 | Odlaw | as spells_changed will occur when you have a new pet |
| 14:51.46 | Odlaw | hmm |
| 14:51.48 | Jamash | I'm working with companions |
| 14:51.48 | jnwhiteh | but most client/server stuff doesn't re-fire on reloadui |
| 14:51.55 | jnwhiteh | yeah companions, not pets. |
| 14:52.08 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: So you can confirm that its not immediatley available on reloadui? |
| 14:52.11 | jnwhiteh | that surprises me |
| 14:52.13 | Jamash | yeah |
| 14:52.23 | jnwhiteh | but if that's the case, a timer is your best course of action |
| 14:52.25 | jnwhiteh | much simpler |
| 14:52.29 | jnwhiteh | and always works, without overhead |
| 14:52.33 | Jamash | companions have to be loaded from the cache, which takes time |
| 14:52.51 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 14:53.02 | jnwhiteh | then use a timer, imo |
| 14:53.05 | jnwhiteh | very simple |
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| 14:56.22 | Jamash | aha, I've got it: GetNumCompanions() returns 0 on login but the correct number on reloadui |
| 14:56.29 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 14:56.38 | jnwhiteh | unless the player has 0 companions? |
| 14:56.55 | Jamash | well then it doesn't matter much what I do |
| 14:57.00 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 14:57.10 | Jamash | an empty cache is correct in that case :) |
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| 15:15.37 | Adys | ~ping |
| 15:15.38 | purl | ~pong |
| 15:17.37 | mikma | ~poop |
| 15:17.38 | purl | fish |
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| 15:35.44 | Aelobin | Dagmar: you thar? |
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| 15:43.05 | purl | ~pong |
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| 16:59.50 | Industrial | how do I scan buff tooltips |
| 17:00.30 | jnwhiteh | whatdya mean? |
| 17:00.40 | jnwhiteh | same way you scan any tooltip, but what are you trying to get? |
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| 17:01.27 | Industrial | wether te text '^Increases flight speed by.*$' exists on a buff tooltip |
| 17:01.42 | jnwhiteh | just load a hidden tooltip with the buff/debuff |
| 17:01.45 | jnwhiteh | and scan the text then |
| 17:01.57 | Industrial | yes, but how, I'm failing at google |
| 17:02.01 | Industrial | :\ |
| 17:02.11 | jnwhiteh | !api SetUnitBuff |
| 17:02.11 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff: Loads the tooltip with information about a buff on a given unit. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/SetUnitBuff) |
| 17:02.21 | Industrial | ty |
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| 17:29.58 | Industrial | ok so |
| 17:30.07 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.11 | Industrial | returns nil |
| 17:30.14 | Industrial | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/b51ff7a91e63f3b34be074ab8e8b3809537e52c9/FrameXML/GameTooltipTemplate.xml |
| 17:30.22 | Industrial | I clearly see a TextLeft2 |
| 17:30.41 | nevcairiel | that is because you fail |
| 17:31.01 | nevcairiel | do tis: /run a=CreateFrame('GameTooltip', 'AAAAAAA', UIParent, 'GameTooltipTemplate') b=AAAAAAATextLeft2 print(b) |
| 17:31.04 | nevcairiel | *this |
| 17:31.09 | Industrial | oh, rofl :p |
| 17:40.31 | mikma | ~logs |
| 17:40.32 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 17:46.40 | Fisker | slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:46.41 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:46.58 | theorbtwo | slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker |
| 17:47.07 | Fisker | syou |
| 17:51.47 | Ackis | don't you want me baby |
| 17:51.52 | Ackis | don't you want me noooowwwww |
| 17:52.50 | Ackis | right Fisker |
| 17:52.51 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 17:52.56 | Ackis | do you have the spore expansion |
| 17:53.24 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 17:54.21 | p3lim | did anyone just remove two of my addons from wowi? |
| 17:56.53 | jnwhiteh | not that I am aware of, why? |
| 17:57.57 | p3lim | they just disappeared |
| 17:58.40 | jnwhiteh | which ones |
| 17:58.41 | jnwhiteh | i'll look into it |
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| 18:01.57 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: ^^ |
| 18:02.27 | p3lim | pMinimap_Clock and pMinimap_Coords |
| 18:02.59 | p3lim | but I dont care about them, they are old, disbanded plug-ins for pMinimap which doesnt even work |
| 18:03.14 | jnwhiteh | are you sure they _just_ disappeared? |
| 18:03.18 | jnwhiteh | and how old? |
| 18:03.36 | jnwhiteh | is it possible that they were removed previously in a mass removal and you're just now noticing? |
| 18:06.04 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: you do anything for the 4th overseas? |
| 18:06.11 | jnwhiteh | nah |
| 18:06.27 | jnwhiteh | i live in the UK, was in Iceland and don't give much of a damn |
| 18:06.37 | Ackis | ah |
| 18:06.43 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:06.48 | Ackis | how is iceland? |
| 18:06.52 | jnwhiteh | it was awesome |
| 18:07.16 | Ackis | i've always wanted to... to greenland as well |
| 18:11.50 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: yeah they were there yesterday, im sure |
| 18:12.02 | p3lim | they were very old, 1+ year |
| 18:12.07 | jnwhiteh | well i'm checking, but i don't see anything about them |
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| 18:15.26 | Cairenn | p3lim: no idea what's going on, wasn't anything on my end |
| 18:15.41 | Cairenn | we'll keep poking, see if we can figure it out |
| 18:16.30 | mikma | haha |
| 18:16.34 | mikma | owned+ |
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| 18:20.35 | p3lim | ok |
| 18:20.58 | p3lim | was just keeping them for the archive |
| 18:21.06 | p3lim | dont put too much effort into it :) |
| 18:21.21 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 18:22.34 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | a"lright, time to go dig up the wet vac and some rope" - Zhinjio |
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| 18:28.24 | mikma | cairenn: http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/124178-1/Guinea_pigs_nomrace.gif |
| 18:28.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:29.16 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:29.25 | Cairenn | huggles Fisker |
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| 18:30.22 | mikma | bankick hiiiiiim! |
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| 18:30.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: pong |
| 18:31.04 | Shirik | hey |
| 18:31.05 | Fisker | Is there even anything you can do when you get constricted as you enter a portal? |
| 18:31.10 | Shirik | extended duration didn't turn out too bad, Thunder_Child |
| 18:31.18 | Fisker | (i.e. you get disconnected and upon relog you're controlled by yogg) |
| 18:31.23 | Shirik | but it took a hell of a lot of practice |
| 18:32.00 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, did you post any of the extended ones? |
| 18:32.04 | Shirik | http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/art/Stars-Over-Hood-River-128328733 I think it's still a little over-exposed but |
| 18:32.08 | Shirik | two so far, yes |
| 18:32.33 | Thunder_Child | 2" != 15" |
| 18:32.39 | Shirik | yeah yeah |
| 18:32.45 | Shirik | there were others I took at 8" to 10" |
| 18:32.47 | Shirik | that's as far as I went |
| 18:33.24 | Shirik | http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/art/Road-to-Freedom-128329844 |
| 18:33.25 | Shirik | 8" |
| 18:33.45 | Lukian | anyone have Painkiller (installed)? |
| 18:33.53 | Thunder_Child | yes Shirik, they pop up on my page since i have you watched |
| 18:33.53 | Zyndrome | sure do! |
| 18:33.56 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:34.04 | Zyndrome | Painkiller Gold Edition even on Steam ;o |
| 18:34.09 | Shirik | and I thought that picture was a lot more blue |
| 18:34.12 | Shirik | did I export the wrong one :/ |
| 18:34.37 | Lukian | hmm wonder how much it is :> though I'd probably only buy it if it's a) cheap b) good multiplayer |
| 18:34.45 | Thunder_Child | you messed up on the other one didnt you? |
| 18:34.56 | Shirik | why? |
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| 18:35.05 | Zyndrome | http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/3200/ |
| 18:35.08 | nevcairiel | the first one you linked looks a bit too blury |
| 18:35.10 | Zyndrome | 9,99 :P |
| 18:35.14 | Thunder_Child | well the clarity of this one far outstripes the other |
| 18:35.27 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:35.32 | Shirik | like I said it seems to be the aperture |
| 18:35.38 | Shirik | and I'm not quite sure why |
| 18:35.46 | Shirik | note that the other one is f/2.8 and this one is f/11 I think |
| 18:35.52 | Lukian | ouch 9,99 euros? |
| 18:35.55 | Thunder_Child | 14 |
| 18:35.55 | Lukian | it's $9.99 us too |
| 18:36.14 | Thunder_Child | though you also jumped the ISO as well |
| 18:36.19 | Thunder_Child | that may have helped |
| 18:36.24 | Shirik | had to :P |
| 18:37.07 | Thunder_Child | that FW must have come at the end not to have much line bluring |
| 18:37.34 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 18:37.39 | Shirik | that's one of the tricks I learned while there |
| 18:37.49 | Shirik | shoot when there's nothing in the sky, then pray |
| 18:38.05 | Zyndrome | Lukian , it's cause Valve is so lazy and clever, and just simply switch the symbol of the cost rather than the actual value |
| 18:38.14 | Lukian | nasty! |
| 18:38.24 | Zyndrome | cause 10 is very different from $10 :P |
| 18:38.54 | Lukian | indeed! |
| 18:38.56 | nevcairiel | $10 is what .. 7 these days |
| 18:39.14 | nevcairiel | silly cheap for a game |
| 18:39.22 | Cairenn | also depends on which $ you are talking about :p |
| 18:39.31 | Shirik | the real $ |
| 18:39.33 | nevcairiel | if we don't specify, USD of course |
| 18:39.36 | Cairenn | US$ != Canadian$ |
| 18:39.40 | nevcairiel | anything else is just fake |
| 18:39.46 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:39.46 | Cairenn | != other$ |
| 18:39.56 | Zyndrome | 10 euros = 108.838 SEK (Swedish Kronor) |
| 18:39.58 | Zyndrome | 10 dollars = 77.8360 SEK |
| 18:40.02 | Zyndrome | gg \o/ |
| 18:40.22 | Shirik | I have no euro symbol on my keyboard :( |
| 18:40.29 | Zyndrome | Alt Gr + E ? |
| 18:40.45 | nevcairiel | not on american keyboards, i think |
| 18:40.53 | Shirik | wtf is an Alt Gr |
| 18:40.59 | nevcairiel | right alt |
| 18:41.01 | Cruciformer | Right alt |
| 18:41.07 | sacarasc | It's a European key. |
| 18:41.12 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:41.17 | Shirik | which was kinda what I was getting at |
| 18:41.25 | nevcairiel | it works the same as ctrl-alt |
| 18:41.28 | nevcairiel | just in one key |
| 18:41.35 | nevcairiel | well |
| 18:41.36 | Shirik | can you do alt gr + del? |
| 18:41.37 | nevcairiel | not exactly |
| 18:41.41 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:41.45 | nevcairiel | but for its the same |
| 18:41.50 | nevcairiel | ctrl-alt-e or altgr-e |
| 18:41.55 | Shirik | |
| 18:41.56 | Shirik | woah |
| 18:41.59 | Shirik | ctrl+alt works |
| 18:42.20 | nevcairiel | lets say ctrl-alt replaces alt-gr, but not vice-versa |
| 18:42.35 | Zyndrome | also, å ä ö buttons |
| 18:42.35 | Cruciformer | ctrl-alt-e gives me bupkis |
| 18:42.38 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 18:42.51 | Thunder_Child | works for me as well |
| 18:45.53 | theorbtwo | <3s his compose key. |
| 18:48.02 | Shirik | here Thunder_Child |
| 18:48.06 | Shirik | how about this definition |
| 18:48.13 | Shirik | 10" at f/14 |
| 18:48.26 | Shirik | and a little luck |
| 18:49.09 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7efcce540b6314e95ae269576c025459.png |
| 18:49.37 | Shirik | (untouched yet, that's from camera) |
| 18:49.40 | nevcairiel | that looks good in the preview there |
| 18:51.09 | Shirik | the question really is if I can still pull out the background |
| 18:51.24 | Thunder_Child | you will have to use layers |
| 18:51.28 | Thunder_Child | in PS |
| 18:53.32 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.39 | Shirik | I don't have PS :( |
| 18:53.44 | Fisker | PS sucks |
| 18:53.54 | nevcairiel | you have lightroom but not PS? |
| 18:54.12 | Shirik | youp |
| 18:54.38 | Shirik | they're separate products |
| 18:56.30 | Fisker | they're one and the same Shirik |
| 18:56.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, up it as a zip |
| 18:56.56 | Shirik | what, the raw? |
| 18:57.00 | Thunder_Child | si |
| 18:59.44 | Shirik | oh fu google chrome |
| 19:01.17 | Shirik | well that was pretty awesome |
| 19:01.30 | Shirik | select to move file to a protected folder |
| 19:01.40 | Shirik | UAC pops up |
| 19:01.47 | Shirik | realize that I wanted to copy, not move, so I hit "no" |
| 19:02.00 | Shirik | the UI still acts like it moved successfully, progress bar and all |
| 19:02.11 | Shirik | for a second I thought it really did |
| 19:03.07 | Fisker | Shirik stop not being trolled |
| 19:03.22 | Shirik | k |
| 19:03.23 | Shirik | I will try |
| 19:03.35 | Fisker | lightroom sucks |
| 19:03.49 | Shirik | you suck |
| 19:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ being trolled by software |
| 19:06.34 | Shirik | hm |
| 19:06.44 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :I'm still here! |
| 19:06.44 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 19:06.44 | Shiibot | I'm still here! |
| 19:06.50 | Shirik | why can't I log in :( |
| 19:07.16 | Shirik | lol, because ssh is port 22 not 23 |
| 19:07.27 | nevcairiel | ~failrik |
| 19:07.28 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:08.31 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
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| 19:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | palin really did resign over the internets |
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| 19:11.03 | Shirik | you know, as awesome as putty is |
| 19:11.09 | Shirik | its configuration screen is absolutely horrid |
| 19:12.03 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 19:12.03 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/117094 |
| 19:12.50 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 19:19.43 | zenzelezz | volunteers to share gravity with Cairenn |
| 19:19.47 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:23.52 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:24.02 | Fisker | hisses |
| 19:27.09 | Thunder_Child | does viewport change the output of the game render engine or just it's displayed size? |
| 19:27.45 | Gnarfoz | !api friend |
| 19:27.45 | lua_bot | Found 19 possible matches for 'friend'. Please be more specific |
| 19:31.25 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 19:31.33 | Shirik | I hear a clicky clicky |
| 19:32.23 | Shirik | I wonder, what's the easiest way to back up an external hard drive |
| 19:33.11 | Thunder_Child | by xfering data |
| 19:33.17 | Shirik | tar -cz /path/to/drive/* > ./backup.tar.gz ? |
| 19:33.25 | Shirik | but * doesn't do recursive, right? |
| 19:33.37 | Lukian | -R or something? |
| 19:33.59 | Shirik | oh apparently tar recurses by default |
| 19:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | tar -czf backup.tar.gz /mnt/drive |
| 19:34.16 | Cidan | no |
| 19:34.17 | Shirik | now the real question, does a version of tar exist for windows! |
| 19:34.21 | Lukian | tar recurses by default |
| 19:34.22 | Cidan | do not use that |
| 19:34.27 | Cidan | use dd |
| 19:34.31 | Cidan | image the drive it self |
| 19:34.33 | Pneumatus | Shirik: cygwin for sure, dunno if there's a standalone |
| 19:34.36 | Shirik | I want to compress it |
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| 19:34.42 | Cidan | you can compress it too |
| 19:34.42 | Shirik | and it's just a bunch of files |
| 19:34.51 | Cidan | pipe dd to tar then to gz |
| 19:35.03 | Shirik | but why image the drive |
| 19:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: which is something I'm doing now... the trick is not imaging the possible hundreds of gigs of free space that still has data on it, which means zeroing out the free space first |
| 19:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: which, if his drive is clicking, is not something he probably wants to do |
| 19:35.40 | Cidan | gziping will just compress any freespace when using ext3 |
| 19:35.45 | Cidan | so it's all good |
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| 19:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) Write 100GB of /dev/urandom to disk |
| 19:36.03 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) rm said file |
| 19:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 3) use dd + gzip to compress, note how your file is still 90GB larger than if you didn't zero the free space |
| 19:36.18 | Cidan | that and when you use dd, you can a) restore the drive, b) mount it as a disk image |
| 19:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and not always @ b |
| 19:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | If you image the *partition* sure |
| 19:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | If you image the *drive* then it gets a little more... complicated |
| 19:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | He probably just wants to use tar to get his data safe in a hurry :P |
| 19:37.54 | Cidan | well |
| 19:38.15 | Shirik | it's not really a big deal if I lose this information tbh |
| 19:38.20 | Shirik | I've already saved what I need to save |
| 19:38.27 | Cidan | if it's that much of an issue, you can just do somethinf like dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/ohshit bs=8M |
| 19:38.29 | Shirik | but I want it just in case |
| 19:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: right, which is exactly what I do.. but I question if you should do that to a dying disk ;) |
| 19:39.17 | Cidan | disks don't (normally) die while running, so eh. |
| 19:39.25 | Cidan | imo, SSD plz. |
| 19:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:39.31 | Cidan | I wish the prices on those would drop already. |
| 19:41.33 | Shirik | CF cards are pretty cheap |
| 19:41.41 | Shirik | just RAID a bunch of CF cards and you're good |
| 19:43.11 | Cidan | I would rather wait to store my 2 TB array on SSD drives, xD |
| 19:43.18 | Cidan | I'm scared as hell my drives will die one day. |
| 19:44.10 | Cidan | 64 gigs for 223. sigh. |
| 19:44.23 | Cidan | meanwhile, 223 for 2TB on magnetic disks |
| 19:44.24 | Cidan | bleh. |
| 19:44.41 | Cidan | they are coming down though, 331 for 120 gigs. |
| 19:45.00 | Cidan | wow, kingston SSD, 128 gigs for 249 |
| 19:45.05 | Thunder_Child | you can get a 64gb flash drive for $120 though |
| 19:45.25 | Cidan | a flash drive is not a SSD |
| 19:45.57 | Adys | your mom isn't a ssd |
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| 19:46.03 | Cidan | Thank God? |
| 19:46.11 | Adys | what'd you need 2tb for? |
| 19:46.30 | Shirik | anime |
| 19:46.37 | Shirik | ask kd3 |
| 19:46.47 | Thunder_Child | i want 10tb tbh |
| 19:46.49 | Cidan | I need more than 2TB now; mostly for the massive amounts of DVD's I keep on disk so I don't have to insert them |
| 19:46.51 | Gnarfoz | !api SendChat |
| 19:46.52 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 19:46.56 | Thunder_Child | but that would be ~$1000 |
| 19:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | pats his 3TB of local storage |
| 19:47.50 | Adys | I got an external 500gb drive |
| 19:47.54 | Shirik | I have 4TB at work |
| 19:48.07 | Adys | its barely half full and i store entire seasons of movies and series |
| 19:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: have a moment to talk Minion? |
| 19:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Not long, I promise ;) |
| 19:48.25 | Shirik | sure |
| 19:48.27 | Adys | then you realize there isnt THAT much stuff worth keeping entirely |
| 19:48.56 | Adys | all seasons of monk, monty python's collection, the last few simpsons seasons |
| 19:49.20 | Thunder_Child | atm i have 400gb of stored movies/tv shows |
| 19:49.22 | nevcairiel | when you start storing them in 720p, space runs out fast |
| 19:49.32 | Adys | do you have a home cinema? |
| 19:49.40 | nevcairiel | I have a big screen |
| 19:49.44 | Adys | so do I |
| 19:50.01 | nevcairiel | And i do notice the difference between 720p and a simple xvid encode |
| 19:50.13 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 19:50.32 | nevcairiel | 1080p is overkill though =P |
| 19:50.35 | batrick | I don't think I'd be able to switch to SSD until they fix the effective write caps. |
| 19:50.35 | Adys | really.. either you have a home cinema, want to have quality stuff around => you buy a media drive |
| 19:51.13 | Adys | or you don't, you get decent encodings and watch not-so-amazingly-hd movies, forget about the difference because the ep is awesome |
| 19:51.21 | Adys | and chain them like that. |
| 19:51.44 | Adys | and stop fucking flipping pancakes Thunder_Child |
| 19:51.50 | nevcairiel | Generally the xvid encodings have worse audio (just stereo, ew), and the 720p come with 6ch ac3, so thats good =P |
| 19:51.57 | Dagmar | Ya'll are killing me |
| 19:52.36 | Adys | if you're gonna have more than stereo sound at home and aren't into sound editing/music, get a home cinema tbh |
| 19:52.37 | Dagmar | It's got very little to do with the xvid codec, and everything to do with the noob that picked low bit-rates for the encode. |
| 19:52.40 | Dagmar | You know that, right? |
| 19:53.00 | nevcairiel | Adys: i do have a 7.1 hooked up to my comp, i like good sound :( |
| 19:53.18 | Cruciformer | ah man there is nothing quite a refreshing as a freshly shaved head |
| 19:53.23 | Adys | you're eating a roquefort sandwich without roquefort |
| 19:53.43 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: meh people still don't use xvid for the higher bitrates, its all h264 now |
| 19:53.52 | Dagmar | I say this not to be boorish, but because I've spent about a hundred hours in the past year beating the hell out of transcode/ffmpeg just to get a decent transcode for the stuff I record with my PVR-500 |
| 19:54.20 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Thank god there's an avenue for hardware accelleration of decoding that under Linux now |
| 19:54.50 | nevcairiel | I just use ffmpeg-mt without hardware accel, never had issues |
| 19:54.53 | Dagmar | Single-sliced h.264 has a tendency to eat your CPU like a busload of Phish fans after your potato chips |
| 19:55.13 | Dagmar | 2.6ghz core _minimum_ generally required without support from a video card |
| 19:55.45 | Thunder_Child | Adys, huh? |
| 19:55.54 | Adys | Thunder_Child, just fucking stop it its annoying. |
| 19:56.25 | nevcairiel | sadly hardware accel on windows is a bitch, DXVA is stupidly strict, and i don't know of a proper CUDA capable decoder yet |
| 19:56.29 | Dagmar | Like, 15 times a week someone comes into #MythTV-users saying they can't get h.264 playback not choppy, because they're using a 2.2Ghz core and a single-sliced stream |
| 19:57.17 | Thunder_Child | Adys, go make some sense |
| 19:57.25 | Dagmar | ...and the occasional person who bought a quad-core black edition CPU and is kinda pissed that a single-sliced stream means those other three cores are basically idle |
| 19:57.30 | Dagmar | heh |
| 19:57.35 | Adys | Thunder_Child: I said |
| 19:57.37 | Adys | stop |
| 19:57.39 | Adys | flipping |
| 19:57.41 | Adys | pancakes |
| 19:57.53 | nevcairiel | what does he care that his shit is idle while he is watching a movie anyway |
| 19:57.56 | nevcairiel | i dont get people |
| 19:58.12 | Adys | if you clicked on every single link everyone pastes like you should, Thunder_Child, you'd know what I'm talking about |
| 19:58.19 | Adys | without looking at the url. |
| 19:58.20 | Dagmar | I'm dragging my feet on upgrading to Hauppauge's HD-PVR until the multi-threaded VDPAU stuff is fully sorted |
| 19:59.15 | nevcairiel | Although i'm using a GFX-powered renderer now, instead of using the gfx to decode |
| 19:59.38 | Dagmar | If you encode to h.264 please please please use a multi-sliced stream |
| 20:00.19 | Thunder_Child | Adys, well i dont |
| 20:00.53 | Adys | instead of stroking yourselves over encodings on linux, you should ALL go help fix the intel xorg drivers |
| 20:01.07 | nevcairiel | who runs intel cards anyway |
| 20:01.18 | Adys | so that I can watch my porn on this laptop without constant flickering |
| 20:01.27 | Dagmar | Adys: As far as I care they're fixed. My VAIO doesn't detonate on mode changes anymoe |
| 20:01.33 | Dagmar | :) |
| 20:01.38 | Adys | lets see |
| 20:02.03 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: what do you use for hardware h264 decoding on linux? can vanilla ffmpeg do that now? |
| 20:02.10 | Adys | X Error of failed request: GLXBadDrawable |
| 20:02.11 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.14 | Adys | Definitely not fixed |
| 20:02.46 | Dagmar | nevcariel: It's in the trunk for ffmpeg and mplayer and MythTV so I'm assuming it's all coming from the same place, but they all use VDPAU on nVidia cards to do it |
| 20:02.47 | Shirik | stop making bad drawables obviouslsy |
| 20:02.48 | Shirik | damn |
| 20:03.19 | Dagmar | Trying to figure out *which* bloody nVidia card actually handles VDPAU is a little research-intensive tho |
| 20:03.20 | Adys | your mom's so fat she doesn't fit on the screen so xorg throws a baddrawable. |
| 20:03.37 | Adys | man this is gonna bite me hard in 10 years |
| 20:03.41 | Adys | people will be googling me |
| 20:03.52 | Adys | "So you were doing mom jokes all this time?" |
| 20:03.54 | Dagmar | You've gotta look up the chip number (G86, G90, etc) and then with some of the 8xxx look at the clock rate to figure out if it's the newer or the older version |
| 20:04.17 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: great, my card doesnt support it =P |
| 20:04.23 | Dagmar | I'm still irked my 7050PV board falls just >< short of being able to do it |
| 20:04.38 | Dagmar | ...but at least you can buy on that does for like $60 |
| 20:04.54 | nevcairiel | I have a "old" G80 because i bought it like a month before the G92 came out |
| 20:05.06 | Dagmar | I started populating a page on the mythtv wiki that lists most of the models and whether or not they're supported |
| 20:05.34 | nevcairiel | But shrug, my cpu decodes 1080p without a problem |
| 20:05.41 | Aelobin | Dagmar: still selling netherbags? :P |
| 20:05.58 | Dagmar | I'm not sure I've ever sold any of those |
| 20:06.21 | Aelobin | i swear you talked to me about netherweave bags before 0.o |
| 20:06.23 | Dagmar | Frostweave and glacials tho I can move several per day in about 5 minutes tho. :) |
| 20:06.31 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 20:07.01 | Dagmar | nevcarial: Plain mpeg sure. I had to reencode a lot of stuff that skiploopfilter wouldn't quite get me around |
| 20:07.29 | Dagmar | mpeg and XvMC are still best buds |
| 20:07.30 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i never ran into a movie that wouldnt play properly |
| 20:07.39 | nevcairiel | in h264 or mpeg |
| 20:08.00 | Dagmar | You've got a fast enough CPU then |
| 20:08.09 | nevcairiel | I guess :) |
| 20:09.42 | Cruciformer | speaking of all this vid stuff ... is there any good open source media streamer (like tvsersity but with source) that I can stream stuff from my PC to my PS3? |
| 20:09.45 | Dagmar | Trust me it's at least once a day someone comes into #MythTV-users about choppy playback |
| 20:11.35 | Aelobin | :P |
| 20:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 20:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | this external is WAY TOO SLOW |
| 20:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Freaking nine hours to restore this image |
| 20:19.43 | Shirik | sounds about right |
| 20:19.56 | Dagmar | Go go gadget USB 1.0 |
| 20:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It's USB2 |
| 20:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But the thing is only 250GB |
| 20:20.29 | ScytheBlade1 | grrr |
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| 20:26.10 | Shirik | ReAn: ping |
| 20:42.48 | Shirik | Cidan: ping |
| 20:43.00 | Cidan | Shirik: pong |
| 20:45.38 | Aelobin | Aelobin: ping |
| 20:47.35 | Shirik | should have pinged Cairenn |
| 20:47.38 | Shirik | much better |
| 20:47.47 | Cairenn | hi |
| 20:47.52 | Shirik | hi |
| 20:47.55 | Cidan | hi |
| 20:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | haha so |
| 20:50.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 20:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a friend who lives in a small college town, which is lucky enough to be connected by a really really big fiber line (the whole town) |
| 20:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | He is in an apartment complex where every unit has a cable modem |
| 20:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Last night, he had 220ms pings to his first hop |
| 20:51.41 | Dagmar | So... you're one backhoe incident away from the end of the world, then |
| 20:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:52.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 20:52.15 | Dagmar | Because you know the backhow is the natural predator of the solitary buried fiber cable |
| 20:52.24 | Dagmar | s/backhow/backhoe/; |
| 20:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I knew what you meant |
| 20:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly I was just laughing at how amazingly congested that entire place is |
| 20:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | 220ms to the first hop? |
| 20:52.53 | ccox|BBQ | lol |
| 20:53.05 | ScytheBlade1 | yay coax! |
| 20:53.15 | ccox | 220 is a bit high |
| 20:53.21 | Dagmar | IP over clothesline |
| 20:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | My first hop is under 10ms |
| 20:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "a bit high" is being "a bit nice" |
| 20:54.03 | ccox | yep |
| 20:54.25 | Dagmar | Something is wwrong there |
| 20:54.42 | Dagmar | I can reach the next state over in 220 ms |
| 20:54.54 | Shirik | huh |
| 20:54.58 | Shirik | I just got a sourceforge 500 |
| 20:55.04 | Shirik | i haxor |
| 20:56.53 | ccox | first hop for me is 6.6 ms; battle.net in losangeles is 29ms |
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| 20:58.03 | Shirik | this is so wierd; when I'm outside, after about 30 minutes my network cuts out |
| 20:58.07 | Shirik | but all other networks still show up |
| 20:58.22 | Shirik | it seems like my card cuts out the 5GHz band first when it gets hot |
| 20:59.00 | ccox | sourceforge is 93ms (looks like somewhere near chicago?) |
| 20:59.16 | Cairenn | huggles ccox |
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| 20:59.27 | ccox | huggles Cairenn right back |
| 20:59.34 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 21:02.54 | Cidan | ... |
| 21:05.32 | ccox | ties a sock on the doorhandle and closes the door |
| 21:05.52 | Cairenn | giggles |
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| 21:10.25 | Shirik | sock? |
| 21:10.29 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 21:10.58 | Kraps | http://www.direct2drive.com/480/2459/product/Buy-7-Sins-Download |
| 21:11.09 | Kraps | only 20 bucks |
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| 21:12.46 | Fisker | entertain me Shirik |
| 21:16.09 | Fisker | i hate you Shirik |
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| 21:19.20 | Cairenn | growls at flood control :p |
| 21:19.30 | Seerah | did you spam it and break it? :p |
| 21:19.55 | Cairenn | yup |
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| 21:27.04 | Shirik | bad Cairenn |
| 21:27.21 | Cairenn | :( |
| 21:27.27 | Addys | yep |
| 21:29.05 | Cruciformer | Does anyone know if there is a API that can retrieve class restrictions on an item? For example if a tier token drops to have it return the list of classes that are eligible for that item? |
| 21:29.27 | Adys | not specific to class restriction, but theres something like IsEligibleToLoot |
| 21:29.36 | Adys | or IsUsable... |
| 21:29.39 | Adys | !api eligible |
| 21:29.39 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'eligible'. |
| 21:29.44 | Adys | !api usable |
| 21:29.45 | lua_bot | Found 8 possible results for 'usable': GetPetActionSlotUsable, UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_USABLE, ACTIONBAR_UPDATE_USABLE, IsUsableSpell, IsUsableAction, IsUsableItem, SPELL_UPDATE_USABLE, GetPetActionsUsable |
| 21:29.50 | Adys | IsUsableItem |
| 21:29.51 | Shirik | !api Eligable |
| 21:29.51 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Eligable'. |
| 21:29.53 | Fisker | rages |
| 21:29.59 | Adys | Shirik: stop failing |
| 21:30.03 | Shirik | blaghrjuwrep |
| 21:30.11 | Fisker | haste du er en statsrytter |
| 21:31.27 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:31.31 | Fisker | WindowsVista Uptime: 2days 16hrs 11mins 7secs Best: 2wks 3days 3hrs 53mins 50secs |
| 21:31.35 | Fisker | :( |
| 21:31.43 | Cruciformer | IsUsableItem sems to only apply to teh local user. Inmy case I have users bidding on an item and I want to know if they are eligible |
| 21:32.10 | Adys | Ah |
| 21:32.18 | Fisker | I'm sure it's hard to figure out yourself Cruciformer ;3 |
| 21:32.35 | Cruciformer | eh? |
| 21:32.38 | Adys | sup Fisker |
| 21:32.43 | Fisker | sup |
| 21:32.44 | Adys | adys@ns29399:~$ uptime |
| 21:32.44 | Cruciformer | sense fisker not makes, mmmmmm |
| 21:32.44 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.16 | Adys | Cruciformer: tooltip scan |
| 21:33.30 | Fisker | or using your eyes...scan |
| 21:33.48 | Cruciformer | Adys: Could you point me in the direction of how I might do that? Hopefully I can figure out a l10n-neautral way. |
| 21:33.52 | Fisker | Classes: Paladin, Warlock, Priest = Only paladins, warlocks and priests can use it :3 |
| 21:34.07 | Cruciformer | Fisker: Go away. I want it done programmatically, you are not helping. |
| 21:34.26 | Adys | Cruciformer: I got an embeddable tooltip scanning link (a bit hacky, but does the job fine; I think haste uses it for his addon) |
| 21:34.33 | Fisker | Where did i say anything about helping? |
| 21:34.33 | Adys | as for l10n, use globalstrings |
| 21:35.19 | Cruciformer | Adys: I'd appreciate that link greatly. |
| 21:35.51 | Adys | lemme find it |
| 21:37.15 | Cruciformer | Im not finding a global string with teh different class names |
| 21:37.23 | haste | Adys: lol wut? |
| 21:37.38 | Cruciformer | :1 |
| 21:37.39 | haste | I have one in oCD |
| 21:37.40 | Shirik | I think he meant I18n |
| 21:37.42 | haste | that's pretty simple |
| 21:37.48 | haste | don't really see how it's hackish tho' :p |
| 21:37.53 | Shirik | I've never heard of l10n |
| 21:38.01 | haste | http://github.com/haste/oCD/blob/c68bf43da83c9f739ba2b911dc670584464c07ca/ocd.lua#L46 |
| 21:38.04 | haste | Cruciformer: ^ |
| 21:38.07 | Adys | Cruciformer: WARRIOR == "Warrior" |
| 21:38.14 | Adys | haste: prolly not you then |
| 21:38.14 | Cruciformer | L10N = Localisation. I18N = Internationalisation. |
| 21:38.16 | Adys | forgot who wanted it |
| 21:38.24 | Shirik | huh |
| 21:38.27 | Shirik | never seen L10n before |
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| 21:38.33 | Shirik | wtf is the difference |
| 21:38.33 | Adys | Nongren |
| 21:38.59 | Fisker | haste |
| 21:39.04 | jnwhiteh | there is no difference |
| 21:39.08 | Fisker | det skulle blive den bedste sommer i hele vores liv |
| 21:39.08 | Cruciformer | L10N is the act of translating strings etc. Internationalisation is the act of not using hard-coded strings but using things like gettext() that can use L10'ised strings. |
| 21:39.19 | Adys | Cruciformer: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=/Nongren/LibWeagleTooltip.lua&rev=326&sc=0& |
| 21:39.20 | Adys | mikma |
| 21:39.22 | Adys | not haste. |
| 21:39.28 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: that definition is debatable. |
| 21:39.39 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/article1190618.ece <-this is why we can't have nice things haste |
| 21:39.47 | Adys | I confuse them two because of their $~^ lowercase nickname |
| 21:39.57 | Cruciformer | thanks Adys |
| 21:40.57 | Adys | (ps if you think its hacky giev patch) |
| 21:41.42 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: thats how I've always viewed the difference between L10N and I18N. Not an authority though. |
| 21:42.03 | Cruciformer | its a subtle difference, I grant you. |
| 21:42.13 | jnwhiteh | *nod* very |
| 21:42.57 | mikma | adys: niiice :) |
| 21:43.02 | Shirik | We should just make it |
| 21:43.07 | Adys | mikma: the what? |
| 21:43.07 | Shirik | LI20NN |
| 21:43.17 | Shirik | er |
| 21:43.18 | mikma | adys: linking my supermegaduper addons |
| 21:43.18 | Adys | more like 28? |
| 21:43.19 | Shirik | LI28NN |
| 21:43.22 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:43.28 | Adys | you could merge the N |
| 21:43.31 | Adys | and |
| 21:43.33 | Adys | er |
| 21:43.33 | Shirik | LI29N? |
| 21:43.38 | Adys | no |
| 21:43.41 | ccox | L28N |
| 21:43.50 | ccox | only the numbers add |
| 21:43.51 | Cruciformer | Or you can just say NLS :P |
| 21:43.53 | Adys | more along the line of 78n |
| 21:43.57 | Adys | afk. |
| 21:44.57 | ccox | of course, it's far easier to just say what you mean |
| 21:45.48 | Cruciformer | I thought I did. I was talking about localised strings so instead of saying "localised" I used the (common to most people except Shirik) abbreviation L10N. |
| 21:46.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 21:46.38 | mikma | adys: most interesting fact is how did you remember the addon where i use weagle :D |
| 21:46.49 | Shirik | I've always seen I18N, not L10N |
| 21:47.07 | ccox | not a common abbreviation, as you can see here |
| 21:47.24 | Shirik | it's obviously common |
| 21:47.32 | Cruciformer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L10n |
| 21:47.33 | Shirik | just not everywhere |
| 21:47.39 | Cruciformer | common enoughto have a wikipedia entry |
| 21:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 21:47.45 | ccox | just because you saw something on 4chan doesn't mean it's common, or readable |
| 21:47.52 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:48.07 | Shirik | First off, I18n has its own... unambiguous.... wikipedia entry |
| 21:48.08 | ccox | let me go add a wikipedia entry on Failrik - that's common too |
| 21:48.11 | Shirik | and secondly I don't go to 4chan |
| 21:48.29 | Cruciformer | ccox: It was a term used a lot by Sun , IBM and SCO back in the days when I was working for them and OSes were focusing more on that sort of thing. |
| 21:49.10 | ccox | I've been in desktop software for a long time, and never heard those terms before today |
| 21:49.24 | ajmitch | has heard them for several years |
| 21:49.26 | Shirik | I throw it around code all the time |
| 21:49.32 | Shirik | I have comments floating around // NOI18N |
| 21:49.37 | Aelobin | guess what just came back into my head |
| 21:49.43 | Aelobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eAhFWs8lyo |
| 21:49.43 | Shirik | which marks places I have to come back to if I want to change languagel ater |
| 21:50.00 | Fisker | i hate you Aelobin |
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| 21:50.11 | Cruciformer | ccox: A simple google search reveals you are underinformed then. As an example ... http://l10n.openoffice.org/ |
| 21:50.15 | Fisker | even more than i hate some retard donating millions to scientology |
| 21:50.22 | ccox | If you want to communicate, you need to be a lot clearer |
| 21:50.48 | Fisker | "Durr i just won like 7 million USD in the lottery, lets donate over half of it to a bunch of nogood dicks" |
| 21:51.21 | Cruciformer | ccox: I was perfectly clear. I was using a common indutry term. The fact that YOU havent heard of it is not a reflection of the clarity of my term, but of your lack of knowledge of that one term I used. |
| 21:51.49 | ccox | Or that your view of the industry is limited and that you fail to realize that it is not a common term |
| 21:52.16 | Cruciformer | od youe ven do a google search to see if the term is in fact common or are you digging you rheels in because of needless pride? |
| 21:52.17 | ccox | how many teenagers think that their jargon is used by "everybody"? It's not, it's just their limited sample/view. |
| 21:52.33 | Cide | l18n is common |
| 21:52.39 | Cide | s/l/i/ |
| 21:52.40 | ccox | Cruciformer: because there are many terms that show up on Google, but are not common, or helping communication |
| 21:52.54 | ajmitch | "Historical note: I18N was coined at Digital Equipment Corporation in the 1970s or 1980s." |
| 21:53.01 | ajmitch | I guess it's just a newfangled thing |
| 21:53.03 | jnwhiteh | i18n has been in use for quite some time |
| 21:53.10 | jnwhiteh | this is not a "hip" thing the "teenagers" are doing |
| 21:53.17 | Corrodias | what the shit is i19n? |
| 21:53.22 | Corrodias | or even 18 |
| 21:53.29 | jnwhiteh | google |
| 21:53.31 | jnwhiteh | it's your friend |
| 21:53.32 | jnwhiteh | use it |
| 21:53.36 | Cide | internationali(s|z)ation |
| 21:53.38 | Cruciformer | 18 letters inteh word "internationalisation" |
| 21:53.38 | jnwhiteh | or... alternatively.. scrollback =) |
| 21:53.40 | Corrodias | you're right here, talking about it. tell me. |
| 21:53.44 | ccox | English is your friend, use it |
| 21:53.45 | Cide | err |
| 21:53.49 | jnwhiteh | Corrodias: we have been talking about it, for 15 minutes |
| 21:53.54 | jnwhiteh | hence why we don't want to repeat ourselves |
| 21:54.03 | Cide | besides |
| 21:54.04 | Corrodias | interesting... who made up this abbreviation? text messagers? |
| 21:54.07 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 21:54.07 | Cide | it takes like 2 minutes to type |
| 21:54.16 | jnwhiteh | its very common in the software industry |
| 21:54.26 | Corrodias | ieighteenn... doesn't sound anything like internationalization |
| 21:54.27 | ccox | it is not common in software industry, really |
| 21:54.28 | jnwhiteh | a claim which ccox is trying to dispute |
| 21:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | very very common in the software industry |
| 21:54.38 | Cruciformer | ccox: When common projects like OpenOffice, Mozzila etc use the terms (to wit: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/refList/i18n/) where the disambiguate L10N and I18N, I still maintain its a common term. otherwise mainstream projects like that wouldnt use the terms either, for the same reasons. |
| 21:54.39 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: it was never meant to sound like it |
| 21:54.43 | jnwhiteh | ccox: Your view is extremely limited, then. |
| 21:54.45 | Cide | clearly it's not common in *ALL* circles |
| 21:54.59 | Cide | but still common |
| 21:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki <-- it's right there on their wiki, front page |
| 21:55.09 | ccox | jnwhiteh: my view is extremely broad - which is why I wonder how you could think that this is a common term |
| 21:55.16 | Corrodias | my business does not deal with multiple languages, so i've never heard of it |
| 21:55.17 | jnwhiteh | ccox: because we know for a fact that it is |
| 21:55.23 | zenzelezz | http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-i18n |
| 21:55.26 | jnwhiteh | a cursory search on google shows this clearly |
| 21:55.34 | ccox | would you like me to make up terms and add them to a bunch of wikis and google searches? |
| 21:55.38 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 21:55.40 | jnwhiteh | this is not a made up term |
| 21:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 21:55.46 | Cide | http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/i18n/#topics-i18n |
| 21:55.47 | jnwhiteh | Look for yourself |
| 21:55.49 | jnwhiteh | for a whopping three seconds |
| 21:55.53 | Zhinjio | makes popcorn. |
| 21:55.54 | Cide | uses it with NO EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER |
| 21:55.55 | Cruciformer | ccox: My view is broad too. Clearly just a smidgeon broader than yours. In fact the fact that you havent even heard the term before makes me seriously question just how borad your experience is. |
| 21:55.56 | jnwhiteh | and see all the projects and companies that use the term |
| 21:56.08 | Cide | if its use wasn't widespread I'm sure they'd at least add an explanation |
| 21:56.11 | Corrodias | wow, we're making a pretty big deal over a little abbreviation |
| 21:56.20 | jnwhiteh | Corrodias: someone is being wrong on the internet |
| 21:56.24 | Dagmar | Someone's wrong and they don't want to admit it |
| 21:56.25 | Corrodias | oh shit ._. |
| 21:56.33 | Cide | I'll come to bed in a few. |
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| 21:57.06 | Kraps | downloading the sims 3 |
| 21:57.22 | Cide | ccox: anyway, it's a bit elitist to think that simply because you haven't heard it, it's not common |
| 21:57.50 | Cide | just sayin' |
| 21:58.04 | ccox | Cide - unless you have a very, very broad base of experience and have done a lot of work in globalization/localization/internationalization of software |
| 21:58.13 | Shirik | CIde omg |
| 21:58.19 | Shirik | you missed last night |
| 21:58.20 | Shirik | Adys was |
| 21:58.20 | Cide | hm? |
| 21:58.24 | Shirik | trying to tell people to use tabs |
| 21:58.28 | Cide | what? |
| 21:58.32 | Cide | he's a frickin python developer |
| 21:58.37 | Cide | Adys: you dumb fuck |
| 21:58.41 | Shirik | lmao |
| 21:58.57 | Cide | ccox: apparently not enough 8-) |
| 21:59.10 | ccox | Cide - more than you could imagine |
| 21:59.12 | Fisker | reported Kraps |
| 21:59.20 | Cide | (I'm sure you could miss it if you never dealt with the companies who do use it) |
| 21:59.23 | Kraps | what why? |
| 21:59.25 | Cide | clearly it's not used in all circles |
| 21:59.26 | jnwhiteh | ccox: Regardless of your experience, have you done the search and seen the actual uses of this "term" in actual projects and companies? |
| 21:59.34 | Cruciformer | Adys: I assume that that tooltip scanner thingy you posted doesnt actually display a tooltip window inthe midle of the screen (or it does and removes it so quickly it wont interfere with the users view)? |
| 21:59.41 | ccox | I've dealt with companies and projects who are claimed to use it, but never heard or seen them use it |
| 21:59.53 | Fisker | Kraps: 1. Piracy, 2. Lol sims |
| 22:00.04 | zenzelezz | ccox: XML |
| 22:00.14 | ccox | jnw - your google fu is weak, you think that search results equal reality |
| 22:00.15 | zenzelezz | "Oh yeah, our products use <buzzword of the month>" |
| 22:00.21 | jnwhiteh | ccox: no I don't. |
| 22:00.24 | jnwhiteh | don't get insulting |
| 22:00.27 | ccox | jnwhiteh: or that wiki pages can't be added at the drop of a hat |
| 22:00.29 | Kraps | Fisker: 1. i bought it, 2. sims > you |
| 22:00.30 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 22:00.32 | jnwhiteh | i'm going to bed |
| 22:00.42 | jnwhiteh | have fun with this one guys |
| 22:00.43 | Shirik | Corrodias: It's not supposed to sound like it |
| 22:00.43 | ccox | jnwhiteh: then don't use searches as a basis for fact |
| 22:00.47 | Cruciformer | night jnwhiteh |
| 22:00.47 | jnwhiteh | ccox: I am not. |
| 22:00.47 | Shirik | It's I, 18 letters skipped, N |
| 22:00.53 | jnwhiteh | not did I ever claim that seachs imply anything |
| 22:00.55 | jnwhiteh | I asked if you did it |
| 22:01.00 | Cide | lua> #"internationalization" |
| 22:01.00 | lua_bot | Cide: 20 |
| 22:01.02 | Cide | ^ |
| 22:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 22:01.03 | jnwhiteh | I made no claims about it |
| 22:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internationalization_and_localization&limit=500&action=history |
| 22:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | drop of a hate |
| 22:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *hat |
| 22:01.09 | jnwhiteh | I asked a simple question |
| 22:01.34 | ccox | I did a couple of searches, and found claims that it was jargon limited to usage in a few companies decades ago |
| 22:01.53 | jnwhiteh | except all of the open source projects that use it today |
| 22:01.54 | Cruciformer | Cide: I<18 letters}N |
| 22:01.54 | Cairenn | pours a round of mojitos for the channel |
| 22:01.57 | ccox | a few recent projects seem to use the terms, probably because it matches their texting mentality |
| 22:02.01 | jnwhiteh | but those were created instants ago |
| 22:02.06 | Cide | Cruciformer: exactly, I was supporting Shirik's claim |
| 22:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: pretty sure that's the LAST thing you want to be doing |
| 22:02.18 | Zhinjio | takes a mojito! |
| 22:02.35 | Shirik | I almost had a mojito last night |
| 22:02.39 | Cide | ccox: you a psychologist now? :) |
| 22:02.40 | zenzelezz | takes the remaining mojitors |
| 22:02.44 | zenzelezz | -r |
| 22:02.49 | Cide | haha |
| 22:02.53 | zenzelezz | for some reason I thought I was typing "monitors" |
| 22:02.55 | Cide | how's that mojitor tasting for you? |
| 22:02.58 | ccox | Cide - no, that's one degree I never pursued |
| 22:03.05 | Fisker | Kraps: But naw download = piracy and I > U (Sims as well) |
| 22:03.07 | tekkub | fuck the mojitos, I'm getting me some goddamn white muscadine while I'm back in this horrible state |
| 22:03.13 | Cide | then you probably shouldn't venture such a wild guess |
| 22:03.14 | tekkub | since I can't get it in CO |
| 22:03.14 | zenzelezz | force of habit. Like how I typed "Athlong" all the freaking time |
| 22:03.46 | ccox | Cide - it's the simplest explanation that fits the available facts |
| 22:03.54 | Kraps | wtb a direct2drive clue for Fisker |
| 22:04.09 | Fisker | LOL |
| 22:04.13 | Fisker | D2D |
| 22:04.13 | tekkub | direct2fister |
| 22:04.29 | Zhinjio | tekkub: didn't know you were in CO |
| 22:04.30 | Cide | ccox: well, you've clearly disregarded facts for the previous 15 minutes, so why start now? ;) |
| 22:04.40 | tekkub | were, will be again |
| 22:04.41 | Zhinjio | we're probably within "having a beer" distance of each other |
| 22:04.46 | ccox | Cide - I've been repeating the facts, which you continually ignore |
| 22:04.46 | Zhinjio | ah, cool |
| 22:05.08 | tekkub | I don't like beer |
| 22:05.08 | Fisker | That's what we call a pirate service Kraps |
| 22:05.08 | Zhinjio | is in Lafayette |
| 22:05.08 | Fisker | YARR ;3 |
| 22:05.08 | Cide | actually |
| 22:05.08 | Cide | I haven't ignored any facts |
| 22:05.10 | Kraps | whats so funny scrub? |
| 22:05.13 | tekkub | Lafaggot :P |
| 22:05.19 | Zhinjio | well, I meant that rhetorically. You can obviously drink whatever you like |
| 22:05.21 | tekkub | on the edge of Golden/Lakewood |
| 22:05.25 | Zhinjio | ah, cool |
| 22:05.34 | Zhinjio | I have a couple friends who live down there who I don't see often enough |
| 22:05.35 | Shirik | not really |
| 22:05.37 | tekkub | up o Green Mtn |
| 22:05.42 | Shirik | I can't drink the sun if I want to |
| 22:05.43 | Zhinjio | cool |
| 22:05.53 | tekkub | gotta meat PProvost sometime too |
| 22:05.57 | Fisker | you can get it so much cheaper Kraps |
| 22:05.58 | Thunder_Child | yes you can Shirik |
| 22:06.00 | Cide | you have lots of experience yadda yadda, and the terms aren't used by every company, so P(you missing the term despite your vast experience in the field) > |
| 22:06.02 | Cide | > 0 |
| 22:06.07 | Thunder_Child | but it;s use would be slang |
| 22:06.11 | Kraps | Fisker: reported |
| 22:06.18 | Fisker | also |
| 22:06.20 | Fisker | D2D sucks |
| 22:06.26 | Shirik | I would yell at you for using an apostrophe there, Thunder_Child |
| 22:06.26 | Kraps | NO U |
| 22:06.26 | tekkub | D2F |
| 22:06.34 | Fisker | no u Kraps |
| 22:06.34 | Shirik | but you got lucky and typoed it so I can't tell if you were going to or not |
| 22:06.36 | Thunder_Child | s/;/'/ |
| 22:06.39 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:06.42 | Shirik | now I can yell at you |
| 22:06.44 | Fisker | you can get Sims 3 for like $15 |
| 22:06.45 | krka | i18N and L10N are commonly used terms by people in the industry who need to worry about such things. It's generally not known by others. End of discussion? |
| 22:07.03 | tekkub | maybe I'm a L10N |
| 22:07.05 | Kraps | effing rpers |
| 22:07.06 | Cide | krka: expect he's a person who does need to worry about it and hasn't! |
| 22:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: I have bets that'll inflame things |
| 22:07.14 | Kraps | on irc no less |
| 22:07.19 | Cide | and so he claims they're not common |
| 22:07.29 | ccox | krka - again, it's not common usage - at best it's slang in limited usage |
| 22:07.37 | krka | "Am I a lion?" - "i don't think of myself as a lion. you might as well though. i have a mighty roar." |
| 22:08.02 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: called it |
| 22:08.06 | krka | aww |
| 22:08.28 | Cide | so I just found this swedish word "Streber" |
| 22:09.00 | Cide | given my vast experience with all things swedish, I call the bluff on this word |
| 22:09.04 | krka | it's only slang if it's informal - these days it's pretty formal |
| 22:09.20 | jnwhiteh | its used extensively in domain names, package names, and documentation |
| 22:09.23 | jnwhiteh | that's a fact |
| 22:09.35 | Kraps | what is magic:the gathering? |
| 22:09.36 | Cruciformer | ccox: So much so that projects that have been around for years (like mozilla, not some new-fangled recent post) actually distinguish between I18N and L10N |
| 22:09.38 | jnwhiteh | do people use it regularly in other forms of communication, I don't know |
| 22:09.39 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: awesome |
| 22:09.41 | Shirik | Kraps: Game of awesomeness |
| 22:09.42 | ccox | krka - it can't be formal unless it's part of the language, and I doubt you find those terms in any official dictionary |
| 22:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... |
| 22:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | closes IRC for a bit |
| 22:10.03 | krka | it's not part of _english_, it's part of _programming_ sub-culture language |
| 22:10.06 | tekkub | I hate kraps |
| 22:10.11 | ccox | krka - no, not even that |
| 22:10.14 | tekkub | especially the jet-propelled ones |
| 22:10.17 | Cide | that wasn't logically sound, ccox |
| 22:10.19 | Kraps | what did i do? |
| 22:10.20 | ccox | krka - again, at best it's limited usage slang |
| 22:10.27 | krka | agree to disagree |
| 22:10.28 | Cide | a -> b doesn't imply b -> a |
| 22:10.38 | Fisker | good night :( |
| 22:10.40 | Cruciformer | ccox: You are simply wrong. its common usage FLA. |
| 22:10.45 | Kraps | oh its a card rpg? |
| 22:10.50 | Shirik | not really rpg |
| 22:11.00 | Shirik | CCG is technically the term for it |
| 22:11.02 | Fisker | RPGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOOD NIGHT |
| 22:11.17 | Shirik | it's closer to an RTS |
| 22:11.20 | Shirik | without the RT part |
| 22:11.21 | ccox | Cruciformer: and you are simply wrong, it's just slang, and might be in common usage with your friends, but is not common in programming |
| 22:11.23 | Shirik | so I guess it's just an S |
| 22:11.29 | Fisker | wtf haste |
| 22:11.33 | Fisker | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 22:11.34 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/musik/dkmusiknyt/article1190596.ece |
| 22:11.36 | Cide | haha |
| 22:11.37 | Kraps | tekkub: :( |
| 22:11.40 | Fisker | (also srsly good night nao) |
| 22:11.41 | Cairenn | pours a round of mojitos for the channel and tells everyone to have a drink, chill out and agree to disagree |
| 22:11.43 | ccox | amazing that I can go to so many Unicode conferences and miss those terms... |
| 22:11.46 | Cruciformer | http://www.mozilla.org/docs/refList/i18n/ - did you even bother to look at that ccox? |
| 22:11.48 | Cide | Cairenn: NO |
| 22:11.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+m] by Cairenn |
| 22:11.55 | Cide | wee. |
| 22:12.05 | tekkub | Cairenn: we already established that white muscadine >>>>> mojojitos |
| 22:12.08 | Cide | Cairenn: can I tell him he's wrong now? pretty pweese? |
| 22:12.16 | Cairenn | pours another round of mojitos for the channel and tells everyone to have a drink, chill out and agree to disagree - or gets her clue-by-four |
| 22:12.23 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-m] by Cairenn |
| 22:12.27 | Shadowed | what are you people even arguing |
| 22:12.29 | krka | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 22:12.31 | Cide | agree to disagree is for weak people |
| 22:12.32 | Shirik | I have a clue-by-five |
| 22:12.34 | krka | comic is relevant |
| 22:12.34 | Cairenn | behave guys, you're all going way over the line |
| 22:12.37 | Shadowed | I'm reading the caht history and it makes no sense |
| 22:12.41 | Fisker | i would troll that to hell but i really gotta sleep now |
| 22:12.42 | Shadowed | chat* |
| 22:12.50 | tekkub | <--- doesn't even know what's going on |
| 22:12.55 | Cide | actually, this discussion is pretty civil from one side methinks |
| 22:12.58 | Cruciformer | Shadowed: If it makes no sense you must acquit! (South park reference) |
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| 22:13.05 | Fisker | I'm not like that guy on xkcd, atleast not always |
| 22:13.18 | Shirik | yeah |
| 22:13.20 | Shirik | only while you're typing |
| 22:13.25 | krka | on a related note, i actually _am_ headed for bed, but this is keeping me up :P |
| 22:13.44 | Cruciformer | krka: Go push some Z's ... much more fun :) |
| 22:13.50 | ccox | the discussion has been civil on both sides |
| 22:13.50 | Kraps | you're all wrong btw |
| 22:13.59 | Shirik | how do you push a Z |
| 22:14.08 | Cide | arr.push('Z') |
| 22:14.11 | tekkub | I push Qs |
| 22:14.20 | Shirik | you're not supposed to push queues |
| 22:14.23 | Shirik | only stacks |
| 22:14.25 | Shirik | stupid |
| 22:14.27 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: You still there sir? |
| 22:14.52 | tekkub | pfft, I'll push queues all I want |
| 22:15.46 | krka | anyway, i18N is pretty common when coding e8e w1b j2a |
| 22:16.18 | Shirik | I got the last word :/ |
| 22:16.26 | Cruciformer | enterprise web java? |
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| 22:17.15 | krka | Cruciformer: r3t |
| 22:17.31 | Cide | C9r |
| 22:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | gah |
| 22:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | don't do that |
| 22:17.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Mr_Rabies3 (n=mrrabies@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:17.51 | Cide | why, S101? |
| 22:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 22:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to hurt you |
| 22:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Soooooooooooo much |
| 22:18.10 | krka | s10o much? |
| 22:18.15 | Cide | S99o much |
| 22:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | twitches |
| 22:18.26 | Cruciformer | *giggle* |
| 22:18.37 | Cide | MoOo99OoO |
| 22:18.45 | Cruciformer | youre hurting my head I cant help myself from trying to figure it out :P |
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| 22:19.03 | krka | I only have one final thing to say about this before i go to bed: a1791n! |
| 22:19.54 | Cide | clearly you missed a 'y' in that yawwww...wwwn |
| 22:20.00 | Cruciformer | krka: antidisestablishmentarianistic :P |
| 22:20.41 | Cruciformer | oh I guess I could have added a +ly at the end |
| 22:20.59 | Kraps | Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince game gets a 5 from gamespot |
| 22:21.29 | Cruciformer | anyway I too am off to bed. night all. |
| 22:22.14 | Cide | doesn't gamespot's scale go to 10? |
| 22:22.21 | Kraps | ya |
| 22:22.33 | Kraps | so its pretty sucky |
| 22:22.47 | Cruciformer | Oops before I do go to bed, Adys, you still around? |
| 22:22.57 | Kraps | the character models look like crap |
| 22:25.00 | Kraps | Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty |
| 22:25.23 | Kraps | huh |
| 22:25.28 | Kraps | Blizzard's sci-fi real-time strategy sequel consists of three separate games: The first, Wings of Liberty, will focus on the Terrans. |
| 22:25.47 | Kraps | 3x50? |
| 22:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | old |
| 22:25.59 | Cruciformer | Earlier someoe said that the localised vesion of the warrior class would be WARRIOR. /dump WARRIOR yields nil. How do I get localised versions of the class names? |
| 22:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not, but it is a possibility |
| 22:26.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd expect 1x60, 2x35 to be honest |
| 22:30.10 | Adys | Cruciformer: pong |
| 22:30.32 | Zhinjio | Cruciformer: UnitClass returns both an unlocalized and localized classname if I'm not remembering incorrectly |
| 22:30.39 | Zhinjio | ~api UnitClass |
| 22:30.40 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitClass |
| 22:30.51 | Adys | Cruciformer: and to what you said earlier on, yes |
| 22:30.55 | Zhinjio | yup |
| 22:31.01 | Adys | Cide: fuck you, tabs in python are 10 times easier |
| 22:31.08 | Cide | ... |
| 22:31.14 | Cide | the IDE handles spaces for you |
| 22:31.17 | Adys | mikma: I googled weaglelibtooltip. |
| 22:31.21 | Adys | who the fuck uses IDEs? |
| 22:31.24 | Adys | use kate or something |
| 22:31.39 | Cruciformer | Zhinjio: But that implies the unit is in proximity yes? |
| 22:31.42 | Kraps | Prototype looks interesting, brutal |
| 22:31.49 | Cruciformer | Zhinjio: I was hoping there was a static list somewhere. |
| 22:32.10 | Adys | Cruciformer: cat GlobalStrings.lua | grep Warrior? :P |
| 22:32.44 | Cruciformer | Adys: Just did. |
| 22:32.45 | Zhinjio | Cruciformer: proximity being in range, or in raid, or in guild. |
| 22:32.49 | Cide | Adys: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ |
| 22:32.54 | Cide | Use 4 spaces per indentation level. |
| 22:32.55 | Adys | pep 8 can suck it up |
| 22:32.55 | mikma | adys: lal |
| 22:32.59 | Adys | pep 8 can suck |
| 22:32.59 | Adys | it |
| 22:32.59 | Adys | up |
| 22:33.01 | Cide | For new projects, spaces-only are strongly recommended over tabs. Most |
| 22:33.02 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.10 | Cruciformer | and fwiw thats an unnessary pipe. "grep Warrior GlobalStrings.lua" is more efficient :) |
| 22:33.11 | Adys | hear me again |
| 22:33.13 | Adys | pep8 |
| 22:33.14 | Adys | suck it up |
| 22:33.33 | Cide | everyone uses IDEs |
| 22:33.36 | Adys | no |
| 22:33.41 | Cide | yes |
| 22:33.42 | Adys | some sane people use editors to quickly edit stuff |
| 22:33.45 | Adys | like vim or kate |
| 22:33.54 | Cide | vim can do spaces sanely too |
| 22:34.00 | Adys | yeah, and tabs |
| 22:34.07 | Adys | dude dont even try |
| 22:34.08 | Cide | except spaces are superior in every way |
| 22:34.10 | Adys | tabs are better |
| 22:34.27 | Cruciformer | Zhinjio: What I want to do is pull the "Classes: " line out of a tooltip and see the list of classes so I can enable class filters on items up for bid. |
| 22:34.34 | Adys | as i said earlier on its very simple |
| 22:34.35 | Cide | spaces ACT like tabs, except you can remove 1 at a time instead of 4 WHEN YOU WANT TO |
| 22:34.39 | Cruciformer | Zhinjio: And BTW was it you who wrote suicide kings? |
| 22:34.44 | Cide | like when you need to align things |
| 22:34.49 | Adys | if you need to align |
| 22:34.50 | Adys | use spaces |
| 22:34.53 | Cide | exactly |
| 22:34.56 | Adys | indentation != aligning |
| 22:35.01 | Adys | use tabs for indentation |
| 22:35.04 | Adys | use spaces for alignment |
| 22:35.06 | Cide | or just use spaces |
| 22:35.12 | Cide | why mix? |
| 22:35.12 | Adys | cmon are you that broken you cant make the difference |
| 22:35.21 | Cide | hen |
| 22:35.21 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.21 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.21 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.30 | Adys | it says illegally |
| 22:35.34 | Adys | illegally is like |
| 22:35.49 | Adys | def foo():\n\w\w\tbar() |
| 22:35.57 | Cide | why mix though? |
| 22:36.06 | Kraps | its like spiderman but more better |
| 22:36.07 | Cide | when editors handle spaces EXACTLY like tabs |
| 22:36.11 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:36.14 | Kraps | no |
| 22:36.26 | Adys | Cide: because |
| 22:36.32 | Adys | its less bytes. |
| 22:36.36 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:36.50 | Cide | my 1TB secondary hard drive is about to be full anytime soon now |
| 22:36.55 | Cide | because of all that coding I do |
| 22:37.07 | Cide | that's a ridiculous argument and you know it |
| 22:37.25 | Adys | yeah and I got a bunch of other ridiculous arguments which, once combined, will convince you |
| 22:37.31 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:37.39 | Adys | no but seriously |
| 22:37.48 | Adys | look |
| 22:38.09 | Adys | you can just do s/\t/\w\w\w\w/ |
| 22:38.19 | Adys | you cant do it the other way around as easily |
| 22:38.46 | Cide | so you can convert from the inferior to the superior, yet you need a way to convert back? |
| 22:38.57 | Adys | just |
| 22:39.04 | Adys | stop, its not inferior its not superior |
| 22:39.08 | Adys | both exist |
| 22:39.10 | Cide | most editors do that conversation both ways anyway |
| 22:39.12 | Adys | if you got a file |
| 22:39.16 | Adys | with a one-space indent |
| 22:39.19 | Adys | and fuck knows ive seen those |
| 22:39.36 | Cide | that's stupid, yes |
| 22:39.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:39.48 | Cide | doesn't make 4 spaces stupid though |
| 22:39.50 | Adys | with a 1tab indent you can choose whatever tab size |
| 22:39.55 | Cruciformer | 2-space indent is my prefered style |
| 22:39.58 | Adys | see |
| 22:40.01 | Cide | but if you do n tabs |
| 22:40.05 | Adys | no but |
| 22:40.06 | Cide | and then you want to align |
| 22:40.11 | Cide | to 1 space before that last tab |
| 22:40.12 | Adys | when you align |
| 22:40.15 | Cide | you need to remove a tab, add 3 spaces |
| 22:40.16 | Adys | you use spaces |
| 22:40.21 | Cide | instead of just removing 1 space |
| 22:40.30 | Adys | again |
| 22:40.33 | Adys | if you align, use spaces |
| 22:40.46 | Adys | Im not telling you to use space to break words |
| 22:40.50 | Cide | yeah, except then you need to SPAM THAT SPACE BUTTON |
| 22:40.51 | Adys | Im saying |
| 22:41.00 | Adys | eh |
| 22:41.06 | Adys | smart autoindent |
| 22:41.13 | Adys | handles space and tabs in every editor |
| 22:41.22 | Adys | look |
| 22:41.33 | Adys | see Cruciformer prefers 2-spaces |
| 22:41.42 | Cide | Cruciformer's stupid and likely isn't a python developer |
| 22:41.42 | Adys | I prefer 4-spaces personally |
| 22:41.50 | Adys | some people prefer 1-space, some 8-space |
| 22:42.00 | Adys | i use tabs = everyone is happy setting it to their prefered model |
| 22:42.01 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 22:42.10 | Adys | I use spaces? you got it right up the ass with your lame settings |
| 22:42.14 | Cide | except python has a standard :P |
| 22:42.14 | Adys | forcing stuff on others is bad |
| 22:42.17 | Adys | no |
| 22:42.18 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 22:42.19 | Cide | yes |
| 22:42.20 | Cruciformer | is neither stupid not a python developer :) |
| 22:42.23 | Cruciformer | *nor |
| 22:42.27 | Cide | Use 4 spaces per indentation level. |
| 22:42.32 | Adys | its not a standard |
| 22:42.35 | Cide | style guide |
| 22:42.39 | Adys | its not even that |
| 22:42.44 | Cide | PEP: 8 |
| 22:42.44 | Cide | Title: Style Guide for Python Code |
| 22:42.45 | Adys | its a loose convention |
| 22:42.46 | Cairenn | omg you guys, what's with everyone today? you're arguing over freaking everything |
| 22:42.48 | Cruciformer | I got used to 2-spaces coz of GNU |
| 22:42.53 | Cide | Cairenn: it's fun. |
| 22:42.57 | Adys | Cairenn: STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO OMG |
| 22:43.02 | Cruciformer | Cairenn: Mental agility? |
| 22:43.05 | Cide | Adys: it's used by most every python developer :P |
| 22:43.08 | Adys | no |
| 22:43.08 | Adys | it |
| 22:43.09 | Adys | is |
| 22:43.10 | Adys | not |
| 22:43.10 | Cide | or most every python project |
| 22:43.17 | Cide | hitting \n is fun |
| 22:43.35 | Cide | Adys: actually, my vast experience says it is |
| 22:43.39 | Cide | (get it, Cruciformer?) |
| 22:43.51 | Adys | pep8 is a style guide. you know just as well as I do peps cant be modified once they're accepted |
| 22:43.54 | Cruciformer | I got it :) |
| 22:44.15 | Adys | some guy decided "4 spaces!", I bet you a ton theres been at least one hundred mail in python-devel about it |
| 22:44.27 | Adys | it went live, no modification possible and no one dared to |
| 22:45.01 | Cide | are you sure there's been lots of discussion about it? |
| 22:45.06 | Adys | dude |
| 22:45.10 | Cide | my vast experience says it hasn't |
| 22:45.32 | Adys | http://www.google.fr/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=pep+8+recommends+spaces |
| 22:45.35 | Adys | google says it does |
| 22:45.56 | Cide | you're french? |
| 22:46.05 | Adys | also |
| 22:46.11 | Adys | pep8 is mostly used for internal code |
| 22:46.15 | Adys | so yeah |
| 22:46.22 | Cide | nah |
| 22:46.26 | Adys | 4-spaces for python core code |
| 22:46.26 | Cide | it's used by internal code |
| 22:46.46 | Cide | it's still a style guide for python developers period, but I agree you don't have to follow it |
| 22:47.02 | Cide | anyway, I've never seen a good argument for tabs rather than "because", but that's just me |
| 22:47.03 | Cruciformer | woot! |
| 22:47.13 | Cide | if you want to mix tabs and spaces go ahead, I just don't see how it's easier |
| 22:47.28 | Adys | no, hold it right there |
| 22:47.31 | Cruciformer | I think I just found a neat way to get L10N versions of the class names. GetAuctionItemSubclasses(5) |
| 22:47.37 | Adys | Ive never seen a good argument for spaces either |
| 22:47.48 | Adys | Im not mixing tabs and spaces |
| 22:47.57 | Adys | run my code through -tt it doesnt error |
| 22:48.03 | Adys | and i use both tabs and spaces |
| 22:48.21 | Adys | Idonttypelikethis |
| 22:48.22 | Cide | ya, I believe you |
| 22:48.30 | Cide | but there's always a use for spaces |
| 22:48.33 | Cide | for alignment |
| 22:48.47 | Adys | and for tabs, so that everyone can have their own indent size |
| 22:48.47 | Adys | see |
| 22:48.55 | Adys | at some point I was using 6-char indent |
| 22:48.55 | Cide | that's overrated imo |
| 22:49.01 | Adys | I switched ONE OPTION |
| 22:49.02 | Adys | one |
| 22:49.03 | Adys | bloody |
| 22:49.04 | Adys | option |
| 22:49.10 | Adys | in my entire computer, I clicked ONCE |
| 22:49.12 | Adys | look at me |
| 22:49.18 | Adys | I ran the mouse to the settings button |
| 22:49.18 | Cide | I can't, you're in france. |
| 22:49.20 | Adys | I clicked |
| 22:49.24 | Adys | I clicked again |
| 22:49.24 | Shirik | and yet |
| 22:49.26 | Adys | woah |
| 22:49.26 | Shirik | that power |
| 22:49.31 | Adys | EVERY SINGLE FILE |
| 22:49.31 | Shirik | is the inherent flaw in tabs |
| 22:49.32 | End | you clicked twice? |
| 22:49.39 | Adys | amazingly switched to the 4-char indent! |
| 22:49.43 | Cruciformer | Ok guys now Im seriously off to bed. Night everyone, especially the pedants :) |
| 22:49.51 | Shirik | and you have successfully proven the problem with tabs, grats ADys |
| 22:49.52 | Adys | Cruciformer: didnt you want something? |
| 22:50.05 | Adys | Shirik: its not a problem if people dont use tabs for alignment |
| 22:50.08 | Shirik | p.s., if your editor actually uses 4 characters for indentation, it is broken anyway |
| 22:50.11 | Adys | i agree, DONT use tabs for alignment |
| 22:50.14 | Cide | true story |
| 22:50.23 | Shirik | it should be using tabstops, not a number of spaces |
| 22:50.24 | Cide | if you want people to use variable indentation with tabs |
| 22:50.24 | Cruciformer | Adys: Yeah I think I just found it. I wanted a way to get all of the clases in an L10N/I18N freindly fashion. |
| 22:50.26 | Adys | use it for indentation |
| 22:50.30 | Cide | that screws up spaces for alignment |
| 22:50.31 | Cide | gg |
| 22:50.43 | Cruciformer | Adys: So I cn cscan the "Classes: tooltip entry. I think I just found it. |
| 22:50.51 | Adys | aight :) |
| 22:50.57 | Cruciformer | Adys: Using GetAuctionItemSubClasses(5) |
| 22:50.59 | Adys | Cide: I have no idea what you just said |
| 22:51.15 | Cide | unless you want to do 50 spaces, of course |
| 22:51.33 | Cide | me personally I like to tab (with spaces) to the point of alignment and adjust 1-3 spaces if necessary |
| 22:51.52 | Cide | but I suppose if you space all the way from the base indentation level of the block you're fine |
| 22:51.56 | Cruciformer | Anyone here have wow in a non-EnUS/enGB locale? |
| 22:52.10 | Adys | yes Cruciformer but I cant start it up (blame intel) |
| 22:52.10 | Shirik | I like my editor better |
| 22:52.13 | Adys | Cide, look |
| 22:52.14 | Shirik | it figures out alignment for me! |
| 22:52.23 | Shirik | I close a block, it realigns the entire block |
| 22:52.30 | Shirik | unless I've already corrected it once |
| 22:52.35 | Shirik | in which case it ignores it in the future |
| 22:52.39 | Cruciformer | Adys: Blaming intel is usually my first line of defense for most computer issues. |
| 22:52.47 | Adys | blaming ati is mine |
| 22:52.49 | Cide | mine too. "Intel made me do it!" |
| 22:52.54 | Adys | okay |
| 22:52.57 | Adys | intel made you use spaces |
| 22:52.59 | Adys | know what |
| 22:53.02 | Adys | you're forgiven |
| 22:53.05 | Adys | those guys are true assholes |
| 22:53.09 | Adys | lemme set you free |
| 22:53.47 | Adys | browsing the internet for arguments against tabs is so ridiculous |
| 22:53.59 | Adys | "The problem with tabs is that they're invisible" |
| 22:54.00 | amro | tabs vs spaces again? use tabs for indentation and spaces for alignment, end of story |
| 22:54.01 | Adys | oh yeah. |
| 22:54.06 | Adys | hi amro |
| 22:54.08 | Cide | amro: no, not end of story |
| 22:54.10 | Adys | yes |
| 22:54.13 | Adys | end of the fucking story |
| 22:54.16 | Cide | nope |
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| 22:54.18 | amro | Cide: what's wrong with that? |
| 22:54.19 | Shirik | Adys: Why is that a problem |
| 22:54.32 | Adys | why is what a problem? |
| 22:54.33 | Cide | amro: spacing 50 times to align is stupid |
| 22:54.37 | Shirik | invisibility |
| 22:54.39 | Cide | tabbing to the point and adjusting is 50x easier |
| 22:54.46 | Shirik | there's an entire language that uses tabs and spaces and newlines |
| 22:55.04 | Adys | dunno ask the wad who wrote that |
| 22:55.27 | Adys | Cide: you know the whole point of tab/space indenting is that you just hit tab once and it gives you your prefered indent ... |
| 22:55.27 | amro | Cide: if you need 50 spaces for alignment you have some seriously bad code |
| 22:55.32 | Adys | and yeah |
| 22:55.44 | Adys | either way. autoindent much? |
| 22:55.47 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language) <-- The only valid use of tabs |
| 22:55.47 | Adys | I dont get the problem here |
| 22:55.50 | Cide | not always possible |
| 22:56.03 | Cide | amro: not really |
| 22:56.26 | Adys | Whitespace is Turing complete.[citation needed] |
| 22:56.30 | Adys | that line is funny |
| 22:56.33 | amro | unless you're using dotNetStyleRidiculousMethodsThatTakeTwelveArguments |
| 22:56.48 | Shirik | amro: You've never written a line that's more than 50 characters long |
| 22:56.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:56.55 | amro | or 640x80 |
| 22:56.56 | Adys | (arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7, arg8) |
| 22:56.58 | amro | +480 |
| 22:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "Who gives a crap" is my votee |
| 22:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ee/e/ |
| 22:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Pick a style, enforce it for your project, done |
| 22:57.19 | Adys | Shirik: I have written lines 200 characters long, I do regularly |
| 22:57.23 | Adys | I NEVER indent 50 times |
| 22:57.24 | Shadowed | you guys are frisky today |
| 22:57.26 | Adys | i hit enter |
| 22:57.28 | Adys | WOAH |
| 22:57.29 | Adys | OMG |
| 22:57.33 | Adys | THE EDITOR HANDLED IT FOR ME |
| 22:57.41 | Shirik | uh |
| 22:57.44 | Adys | holy shit guys lemme tell you about this feature. |
| 22:57.47 | amro | that's not even the point adys |
| 22:57.54 | Shirik | yeah... |
| 22:57.59 | Shirik | I have no idea what adys is talking about |
| 22:58.00 | Shirik | anyway |
| 22:58.02 | Adys | Yeah Im tired, and you guys are being way unclear |
| 22:58.11 | Shirik | comments to the right of line = maybe 50 characters |
| 22:58.13 | Shirik | or more |
| 22:58.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: tabs rule |
| 22:58.19 | Shirik | no |
| 22:58.25 | Adys | are you talking about COMMENT alignment? |
| 22:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I'll do whatever conventions you want me to for minion, I don't care that much! |
| 22:58.28 | Shirik | don't make me put my subversion commit hook in place |
| 22:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't need to |
| 22:58.43 | Shirik | I have a commit hook that blocks tabs from source code :P |
| 22:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:58.50 | Shirik | I used it on one of my projects at school after I got really pissed at people |
| 22:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember |
| 22:58.55 | amro | Shirik: code nazi! |
| 22:58.55 | Adys | Shirik: you know there are comment alignment features in gedit/kate too right? |
| 22:58.56 | Shirik | it also detects "using namespace std;" |
| 22:59.05 | Adys | and prolly vim |
| 22:59.09 | amro | well that I agree with Shirik |
| 22:59.26 | Shirik | and fuck Microsoft |
| 22:59.33 | Shirik | they invented a language where you HAVE to do something like that |
| 22:59.51 | Shirik | C# has certain classes which cannot be imported except by importing the entire namespace |
| 22:59.59 | Shirik | Oh it gets better |
| 23:00.07 | Shirik | C# has KEYWORDS that can't be used without impoting a namespace |
| 23:01.07 | Kraps | whats so good about spore? |
| 23:01.18 | amro | DRM |
| 23:01.51 | Adys | I FUCKING SOLVED THE CASE |
| 23:01.52 | Adys | Like monk |
| 23:01.53 | Adys | http://www.google.com/trends?q=tab+indent,+space+indent |
| 23:01.54 | amro | Shirik: next C# will require importing namespaces for base types |
| 23:02.01 | Adys | now suck it uip |
| 23:02.02 | Adys | -i |
| 23:02.11 | Shirik | It already does, kinda |
| 23:02.20 | amro | huh? |
| 23:02.33 | Shirik | I mean you have your base types "object" and "string" which are keywords |
| 23:02.44 | Shirik | but it took me a while to realize that because I was using Object and String |
| 23:02.49 | Shirik | which are identical, but in the System namespace |
| 23:03.03 | amro | using System; //for bool. |
| 23:03.14 | Shirik | you could :P |
| 23:03.25 | Shirik | Actually one of my programs uses reflection to detect types |
| 23:03.27 | Adys | off to bed, night normal people, night Shirik |
| 23:03.42 | Shirik | and a little problem I haven't bothered to resolve is that it always says System.Int32 instead of "int" for builtins |
| 23:04.08 | Shirik | even though reflection asserts that System.Int32 is in fact a built in type |
| 23:04.17 | amro | hacked in type |
| 23:05.34 | Shirik | I really want to make a language |
| 23:05.47 | Shirik | just for the hell of it |
| 23:05.55 | Shirik | C++ has its flaws due to trying to be compatible with C |
| 23:06.00 | Shirik | C# has its flaws because it was overengineered |
| 23:06.07 | Shirik | however there is some really cool stuff in C# |
| 23:07.36 | Shirik | and then there's so many things in C# that can be done that aren't |
| 23:07.56 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 23:07.57 | Shirik | like C#'s queries open the possibility for compilers to vectorize, but I don't think it does |
| 23:08.07 | Shirik | because .NET bytecode doesn't support it |
| 23:08.10 | amro | C# seems awkward to me |
| 23:08.35 | Aqua | C# funny i just closed visual studio... |
| 23:08.45 | Shirik | The #1 thing I hate about C# is the fact that they have "contextual keywords" |
| 23:08.58 | Shirik | When you get to the point where you have so many keywords that you have to make keywords that aren't always keywords, something's wrong |
| 23:09.14 | amro | the lack of a common crossplatform GUI is what gets me |
| 23:09.17 | Aqua | yea, I agree Shirik, I hit that problem in my current project, i'm out of stuff |
| 23:09.19 | amro | Windows.Forms can go to hell |
| 23:09.20 | Shirik | Still, I guess it's better than Java's useless keywords |
| 23:09.24 | bleeter | amro++ |
| 23:09.45 | Aqua | there is an open source .net framework is there not? |
| 23:09.51 | Shirik | The #2 thing that's broken about C# |
| 23:09.58 | amro | Aqua: Windows.Forms is not part of it |
| 23:10.03 | Aqua | obviously... |
| 23:10.28 | amro | Aqua: well, considering that WinForms is a big draw for a lot of people to C#, that fails pretty hard |
| 23:10.28 | End | mono implements Windows.Forms |
| 23:10.51 | Aqua | realy? |
| 23:11.02 | Aqua | well, atleast C# isn't vb.net |
| 23:11.07 | bleeter | yeah but it does really stupid stuff |
| 23:11.09 | Aqua | that language just needs to die... |
| 23:11.22 | bleeter | like you can't get a file dialog to go to a directory starting with a . in *nix with mono |
| 23:11.28 | bleeter | it's explictly skipped... WTF |
| 23:11.41 | Aqua | ? |
| 23:11.55 | End | well, maybe it's not a very good implementation ;-p |
| 23:11.59 | Shirik | #2 problem with C# |
| 23:12.00 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/117112 |
| 23:12.02 | Shirik | This is illegal |
| 23:12.03 | amro | it's intentionally not good |
| 23:12.06 | Shirik | cookies to whomever can tell me why |
| 23:12.12 | amro | it tries to be as WinForms-like as possible |
| 23:12.16 | bleeter | auctioneerdb.com uses ECMA script CLI foo for *nix, you cannot use the file dialog to go to ~/.wine/ etc. etc. |
| 23:12.17 | End | no ending break? |
| 23:12.29 | Aqua | no default... |
| 23:12.29 | Shirik | End wins |
| 23:12.30 | bleeter | 'coz it's skipped in the source.. it's shite |
| 23:12.35 | Shirik | You have to have a break |
| 23:12.37 | Shirik | for no reason at all |
| 23:12.41 | Shirik | it doesn't do a damn thing |
| 23:12.47 | End | I think I've hit that issue before |
| 23:12.49 | Shirik | you just have to have it |
| 23:13.00 | Shirik | and the reason the compiler gives you? It's possible to fall through to another case |
| 23:13.04 | Shirik | no it's not, you're just being stupid |
| 23:13.31 | End | I don't remember, does C# allow fall through at all? |
| 23:13.33 | amro | the compiler secretly wants you to break it out of its miser |
| 23:13.34 | amro | y |
| 23:13.48 | Shirik | it doesn't, End |
| 23:13.49 | End | what the hell |
| 23:13.51 | End | well |
| 23:13.53 | End | according to this |
| 23:13.54 | End | it does |
| 23:13.55 | End | BUT |
| 23:13.57 | End | you have to use goto |
| 23:14.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:14.02 | Aqua | goto... |
| 23:14.03 | Aqua | christ |
| 23:14.03 | amro | did you just |
| 23:14.04 | amro | goto? |
| 23:14.08 | amro | wow. |
| 23:14.12 | amro | goto 1970 |
| 23:14.18 | Shirik | but no "lack of break" |
| 23:14.19 | Aqua | first thing i was taught with programming was don't use goto ever period |
| 23:14.21 | End | which I guess technically non -really- fall through, but that's how you do it |
| 23:14.36 | bleeter | Aqua: have fun writing device drivers then! lolol |
| 23:14.52 | Shirik | the end of every statement block in a case has to have all code paths terminated by either break, return, goto, or throw |
| 23:14.54 | Aqua | well, bleeter: i mean't in like complex languages |
| 23:15.02 | Shirik | or continue |
| 23:15.15 | bleeter | Aqua: spoilsport :P |
| 23:15.20 | End | oh |
| 23:15.25 | Aqua | damn right i am |
| 23:15.35 | End | you can implicitly fall through |
| 23:15.37 | End | but only with |
| 23:15.38 | Shirik | and C# doesn't have break-to-label either :( |
| 23:15.39 | End | case 0: |
| 23:15.40 | End | case 1: |
| 23:15.42 | End | etc |
| 23:16.03 | Shirik | End: I don't really consider that "fall through" so much as "multiple options" |
| 23:16.10 | amro | ^ |
| 23:16.40 | Aqua | someone want to write my code for me, so that i can populate use a dataset (with information obtained from sql) to populate a treeview? anyone |
| 23:17.49 | Aqua | gonna take that as a no... |
| 23:18.43 | End | Shirik: in C/C++ is no different than fall through, but I'm guessing C# literally impliments it as multiple options |
| 23:18.58 | Shirik | well sure, but C/C++ supports true fallthrough :) |
| 23:19.13 | Shirik | I don't know enough about .NET bytecode to know how it's implemented |
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| 23:20.39 | Shirik | ok, tar needs to work on its efficiency |
| 23:20.52 | amro | it needs to work on its usage output |
| 23:20.55 | amro | tar --help |
| 23:21.05 | amro | you may want some popcorn while you read it |
| 23:21.08 | Shirik | it looks to me like -czf literally does archive, zip, write |
| 23:21.14 | Shirik | when it could be zipping while it writes |
| 23:21.50 | End | I think bsdtar does that |
| 23:29.46 | ccox | Yawn. Wake me when PTRs have battlegrounds again. |
| 23:30.15 | theorbtwo | Shirik: I'm fairly certian it's piped, so there's no temp file on disk. |
| 23:30.28 | theorbtwo | GNU tar, at least. |
| 23:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh - http://www.theonion.com/content/node/37008 |
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| 23:42.31 | bleeter | Shirik: I think that's historical as you can have a choice of different compressors after the tar (tar being 'tape archive' and designed for writing out to a tape, etc.) |
| 23:42.51 | bleeter | possibly even predating such compression methods |
| 23:42.59 | Shirik | I could understand that if it were used in the form of "tar | gz > file" |
| 23:43.13 | Shirik | but with -z I would think some optimizations could be made |
| 23:43.14 | bleeter | that's pretty much what the switch does, though |
| 23:43.25 | bleeter | personally, I use -j |
| 23:43.45 | bleeter | would -z use the default compression level offered by the system? |
| 23:43.46 | Shirik | I mean, by not explicitly typing out tar | gz I'm already giving up the fact that I could have done gz -9 |
| 23:44.24 | bleeter | Shirik: well set your environment to -9 then! |
| 23:44.52 | Shirik | batbot: setfenv(-9, {}) |
| 23:45.03 | Shirik | !lua setfenv(-9, {}) |
| 23:45.03 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return setfenv(-9, {})"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'setfenv' (level must be non-negative) |
| 23:45.07 | Shirik | I can't :( |
| 23:45.31 | Shirik | or perhaps |
| 23:45.36 | Shirik | !lua setfenv(0, -9) |
| 23:45.36 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return setfenv(0, -9)"]:1: bad argument #2 to 'setfenv' (table expected, got number) |
| 23:45.36 | bleeter | GZIP= |
| 23:45.57 | Shirik | Am I the only one that thinks there are too many environment variables out there? |
| 23:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 23:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's like saying you think there are too many config files out there |
| 23:46.23 | Shirik | there's a difference |
| 23:46.27 | Shirik | config files operate in their own namespace |
| 23:46.30 | bleeter | I'd almost agree if you said 'there are too many commands' |
| 23:46.39 | Shirik | environment variables are essentially globals |
| 23:46.43 | bleeter | no |
| 23:46.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That totally depends on the config file |
| 23:46.57 | Shirik | and why did you say no if you disagree :/ |
| 23:47.02 | bleeter | yes |
| 23:47.17 | bleeter | because today's Monday |
| 23:47.29 | Shirik | it's totally Sunday |
| 23:47.31 | Shirik | stop smoking |
| 23:47.39 | bleeter | Mon Jul 6 09:47:38 EST 2009 |
| 23:47.45 | bleeter | Shirik: get out of the past |
| 23:47.55 | Shirik | back to the future! |
| 23:48.08 | NightHawkTheSane | but the past is nicer :( |
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| 23:52.44 | kd3 | whee at the glut of news/stuff awaiting my return from vacation |
| 23:53.47 | bleeter | MOAR |
| 23:54.21 | kd3 | yay, no ptr patch. guess I should've expected that |
| 23:54.35 | Zhinjio | whats the best way to farm eternal fire? |
| 23:54.40 | Zhinjio | or place, or mob or whatever |
| 23:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | tbh, I doubt we'd notice without your emails ;) |
| 23:54.51 | kd3 | wintergrasp? |
| 23:55.07 | kd3 | those are the highest-level fire elementals I can think of |
| 23:55.11 | Zhinjio | oh yeah? I don't go into wintergrasp much. is there a part of it that has fire? oh. |
| 23:55.15 | Zhinjio | ok, I'll check it outl. |
| 23:55.20 | kd3 | right next to the black dragonshrine |
| 23:55.27 | Zhinjio | k |
| 23:56.17 | Shirik | kd3: We were discussing why someone might need 2TB of space |
| 23:56.23 | Shirik | I mentioned anime as being a reason |
| 23:56.25 | Shirik | do you agree? |
| 23:56.28 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:56.33 | bleeter | patching Blizz product would be another |
| 23:56.39 | kd3 | $ du -hs /data/pub/anime/ |
| 23:56.39 | kd3 | 1.1T/data/pub/anime/ |
| 23:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | possibly worse than goatse: http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2009/2/19/21/bacon-cheese-pizza-burger-31505-1235098432-3.jpg |
| 23:57.15 | Shirik | so that's where du hast came from! |
| 23:57.20 | bleeter | Shirik: any HD storage of legally purchased entertainment material would be a reason. particularly with high-def surround etc. etc. etc. |
| 23:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | also has a reason |
| 23:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Imaging hard drives :P |
| 23:57.40 | Shirik | coughs at "legally" |
| 23:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Freaking five hours to go on this restore, sigh |
| 23:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: hard drive imaging is perfectly legal :P |
| 23:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I've got a terabyte of images sitting around :P |
| 23:58.25 | bleeter | depends what's on the source :P |
| 23:58.40 | bleeter | and.. jurisdiction.. /sigh |
| 23:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:58.50 | ScytheBlade1 | And jurisdiction, I can give you that |
| 23:59.00 | Shirik | in the US, nothing is legal |
| 23:59.07 | Shirik | especially in VA |
| 23:59.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 132/250 |
| 23:59.13 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 0.528 |
| 23:59.15 | sacarasc | God bless the Land of the Free. |
| 23:59.54 | Shirik | they're actually proposing to make doing nothing illegal, so that you can't do anything and you can't do nothing |
| 23:59.59 | bleeter | I see they opened up the crown of the Statue of Liberty... there was some woman saying 'oh it's such a symbol of freedom etc.' I was thinking yeah and I bet you hate the French too ;) |
