| 00:00.55 | Cruciformer | appy 4th to those that are of the american persuasion |
| 00:04.43 | Thunder_Child | a little premeture |
| 00:05.00 | Cruciformer | Day changed to 04 Jul 2009 |
| 00:05.03 | Nafe | ~4 hours for the EST folks |
| 00:05.14 | Thunder_Child | est is still 9pm |
| 00:05.16 | Cruciformer | message from the server or irsii dont know which |
| 00:05.34 | Nafe | 8pm |
| 00:05.43 | Thunder_Child | then it's 3 not 4 |
| 00:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
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| 00:26.23 | Esamynn | technically it is currently 7:26 pm, EST :P |
| 00:34.20 | Arrowmaster | the east coast is in EDT now though |
| 00:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ http://www.vanityfair.com/images/politics/2009/08/sarah-palin-0908-03.jpg |
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| 00:38.39 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: prod |
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| 00:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: re: newest bug on the tracker. You changed any of the files on the server recently? |
| 00:39.27 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 00:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm, k |
| 00:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to look up how to clean the applet cache on windows and pass that to them |
| 00:40.18 | Shirik | like, javaws is what makes the keystore anyway |
| 00:40.24 | ScytheBlade1 | oh wait |
| 00:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, I just saw that too |
| 00:40.36 | Shirik | I only have the cert online |
| 00:40.38 | Shirik | not a keystore |
| 00:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 00:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | which means something is seriously broke with their java install/temp dir |
| 00:41.32 | Shirik | so I think I'm done buying stuff for my camera for a while |
| 00:41.39 | Shirik | I went out and got a remote release for fireworks shots tomorrow |
| 00:41.57 | Shirik | and then went to lenscrafters for some lens cleaning solution lol |
| 00:42.33 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Going to take fireworks pics? |
| 00:42.51 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, today? |
| 00:42.58 | Thunder_Child | besides, it's bloody hard |
| 00:43.01 | Shirik | plagiarism (sp) |
| 00:43.02 | batbot | Shirik, plagiarism is correct. |
| 00:43.12 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: tomorrow probably |
| 00:43.13 | Shirik | and why hard? |
| 00:43.27 | Thunder_Child | i took pictures of the fireworks at the blizzcon 2 years agho |
| 00:43.37 | Thunder_Child | because you have to manually focus for one thing |
| 00:43.40 | Shirik | got a tripod? |
| 00:43.52 | Thunder_Child | yes, but thats not the problems |
| 00:43.52 | Shirik | and what's wrong with just doing hyperfocal focusing |
| 00:44.00 | Thunder_Child | s/ms// |
| 00:44.05 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 00:44.19 | Thunder_Child | hyperfocal? |
| 00:44.24 | Shirik | I'm just confused :/ I have to admit I've never taken fireworks shots before |
| 00:44.44 | Shirik | hyperfocal = set to infinity, then pull back so that your depth of field includes infinity but you're not focused at infinity |
| 00:45.42 | Thunder_Child | will that work? the fireworks are hardly an infinite distance away |
| 00:45.45 | Shirik | so let's say at f/22, your hyperfocal distance would actually be hit even when you're focused maybe at 3 fet |
| 00:45.46 | Shirik | feet |
| 00:46.01 | Shirik | but obviously f/22 would be way too slow for night shots |
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| 00:46.21 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: The point is that everything from your actual focus point until infinity is all in focus |
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| 00:46.37 | Shirik | so it relies on stopping down a little |
| 00:46.53 | Thunder_Child | as soon as i get done with this incredably long stich i will up one of the shots i took |
| 00:47.14 | Shirik | is focusing the only problem you have? |
| 00:47.21 | Shirik | or just an example |
| 00:47.32 | Shirik | I also intend to be taking some like 15" exposures too |
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| 00:50.05 | Shirik | that was odd |
| 00:50.07 | Shirik | anyway |
| 00:50.11 | Shirik | ~wiki Hyperfocal Distance |
| 00:53.32 | Thunder_Child | i plan on taking a long shot as well but i dont think it's going to work that well in a gravity well |
| 00:53.34 | Thunder_Child | space yes |
| 00:53.38 | Thunder_Child | earth no |
| 00:54.03 | Thunder_Child | hmm....unless you happen to be right underneath it i guess |
| 00:55.48 | Arrowmaster | this is weird, i got a google voice invite on an email address thats not the one i signed up for the waiting list with when it was grandcentral years ago, and its not my gmail address either |
| 00:55.53 | Thunder_Child | also Shirik, i think hugin can take RAW files |
| 00:56.00 | Shirik | it can? |
| 00:56.15 | Thunder_Child | i think so, it said something about it would work better with them |
| 00:56.21 | Arrowmaster | oh wait it is my gmail address but it was sent to another email address |
| 00:57.47 | Arrowmaster | i dont know if i want to use google voice on my arrowmaster@gmail account.... since i have others in my actual name |
| 00:58.26 | Cairenn | fyi, Smirnoff twisted - vanilla adds a lovely extra touch to a mudslide |
| 00:58.50 | Thunder_Child | chocolate = fail! |
| 00:59.05 | Cairenn | no chocolate in my mudslides |
| 00:59.09 | Shirik | doesn't look like it Thunder_Child |
| 00:59.15 | Shirik | it doesn't seem to let me select them |
| 00:59.25 | Cairenn | vodka, Kahlua & Baileys |
| 00:59.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, agreed, even when renamed .raw |
| 00:59.41 | Thunder_Child | i will have to go see what it meant then |
| 01:03.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, though you can use tiff files which keeps the levels |
| 01:04.22 | Shirik | yeah I noticed that this morning |
| 01:06.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/IMG_1631.jpg 1/2 sec # f/5.6 @ 1600 iso |
| 01:07.00 | Thunder_Child | s/#/@/ |
| 01:07.54 | Shirik | did that have a duration or? |
| 01:08.03 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 01:08.07 | Shirik | sorry nm |
| 01:08.09 | Shirik | 1/2 sec |
| 01:08.22 | Shirik | did you use a fill flash? |
| 01:08.45 | Thunder_Child | and it would reflect against what at 500ft? |
| 01:08.53 | Thunder_Child | 1500 ft maybe? |
| 01:09.06 | Shirik | I was looking more at the ground |
| 01:09.10 | Shirik | which seems to be awfully bright |
| 01:09.14 | Thunder_Child | no, it did not fire |
| 01:09.30 | Dagmar | What? |
| 01:09.47 | Shirik | iso 1600 huh |
| 01:09.51 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 01:09.52 | Shirik | I'm scared to go beyond 400 with this thing :P |
| 01:09.59 | Dagmar | If it's a flash big enough to work at 1500 ft it'll *probably* get the FAA after you |
| 01:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:10.24 | Thunder_Child | as you can see it isnt that bad of grain and your is upgraded |
| 01:10.27 | Shirik | waits for Thunder_Child to beat Shirik with a photoshop stick |
| 01:10.28 | Dagmar | For some strange reason, they get upset when pilots report that they *might* have just seen some kind of nuke go off |
| 01:10.30 | Thunder_Child | the chip is #3 |
| 01:10.40 | Dagmar | ...and I am *not* making that stuff up. |
| 01:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:10.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, not really |
| 01:11.04 | Dagmar | Interstellar Outback in Frankfurt, KY had the police threatening to tear gas the ravers after that |
| 01:11.10 | Shirik | anyway, like I said I do intend to be doing some 15" shots |
| 01:11.20 | Thunder_Child | but you should be able to go to 3200 at least before serious grain |
| 01:11.22 | Shirik | I'll probably take some around 1/30 or so also |
| 01:11.32 | Thunder_Child | is that 15 seconds? |
| 01:11.36 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:11.45 | Iriel | Time tends to cause more noise than high ISO |
| 01:11.47 | Dagmar | The FAA basically informed the owner of the device known as "the Godlight" that if he ever used it outdoors again they'd find a way to throw him in jail |
| 01:11.48 | Iriel | YMMV of course |
| 01:11.55 | Thunder_Child | you arent going to get any definition |
| 01:11.56 | Iriel | but i'd say do a bunch of tests of different combination |
| 01:12.05 | Shirik | I've had pretty good results so far with 30" shots |
| 01:12.15 | Thunder_Child | since the light trails will overlap because of gravity |
| 01:12.30 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: We'll see |
| 01:12.43 | Thunder_Child | we shall |
| 01:12.43 | Shirik | I'm going to experiment with a bunch of types of shots |
| 01:12.59 | Thunder_Child | though i suppose i will since i think the mall 10 blocks away will have them |
| 01:13.03 | Shirik | the ability to adapt is more powerful than any filter :) |
| 01:14.55 | Thunder_Child | you mean PS > * filter |
| 01:15.34 | Dagmar | Well, I'd say that PhotoShop can't make just any s**t look like gold, but then someone would go digging around on 4chan and find something that proves that wrong |
| 01:15.37 | Shirik | .. |
| 01:15.46 | Dagmar | ...in the worst possible way. |
| 01:16.14 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* no fireworks at the mall |
| 01:17.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:19.59 | Thunder_Child | if i had thought about it i might have tried to go to the one at Castaic Lake |
| 01:20.12 | Thunder_Child | the reflections should make for some interesting shots |
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| 01:24.39 | Shirik | I'm hoping for the same |
| 01:24.47 | Shirik | should have some reflections off the river, it's fairly calm here |
| 01:25.17 | Thunder_Child | actually if it was fast it would be really interesting |
| 01:25.31 | Thunder_Child | slow shutter and you get the smoothed water with lights |
| 01:29.34 | Cide- | http://dev.ctmud.net:81/forums/general/ |
| 01:29.38 | Cide- | look at the Last Post field |
| 01:29.55 | Cide- | good amount of information? too cluttered? too little? what should be added/removed? |
| 01:32.00 | Thunder_Child | "You're seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 500 page. " i do? |
| 01:32.13 | Thunder_Child | or is this your fault Cide- |
| 01:32.18 | Cide- | oh, maybe you aren't registered |
| 01:32.27 | Cide- | I'll fix it in a few |
| 01:32.34 | Thunder_Child | i am |
| 01:32.38 | Thunder_Child | i'm just not logged in |
| 01:33.16 | Cide- | yeah, whatever |
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| 01:44.46 | Cide- | Thunder_Child: is that error gone? |
| 01:46.34 | Thunder_Child | Cide-, no, and i did everything but clear my cashe |
| 01:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18315572291&sid=1 I think that guy has issues |
| 01:47.54 | Cide- | now? |
| 01:48.33 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 01:53.25 | Cide- | no feedback tho! |
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| 01:58.58 | Thunder_Child | it's much better with the debug off |
| 01:59.05 | Thunder_Child | it was...bad the other way |
| 01:59.56 | Thunder_Child | Cide-, i would have some diferential between the post # and posted date/time from the actual message since it looks all together |
| 01:59.56 | Cide- | fail |
| 01:59.56 | Cide- | <Cide-> good amount of information? too cluttered? too little? what should be added/removed? |
| 02:00.05 | Thunder_Child | i was working on it |
| 02:00.16 | Cide- | you're looking at the wrong page |
| 02:00.26 | Cide- | the topic view isn't done |
| 02:00.34 | Thunder_Child | i am looking inside one of them |
| 02:00.36 | Cide- | http://dev.ctmud.net:81/forums/general/ |
| 02:00.43 | Cide- | that's not what I asked for feedback on though :P |
| 02:01.21 | Thunder_Child | i would align by the time not the poster |
| 02:01.31 | Thunder_Child | since thats not what i would be look at...persoannly |
| 02:02.23 | Cide- | ya, been thinking about that one |
| 02:02.31 | Cide- | not sure what looks better though |
| 02:02.48 | Cide- | aligned by name is more consistent with the author field |
| 02:03.09 | Thunder_Child | form vs function |
| 02:03.36 | Cide- | you hardly lose out on any function :P |
| 02:03.53 | Thunder_Child | like i siad, it's annoying to read down the list |
| 02:04.04 | Thunder_Child | since i look at the date/time not the poster |
| 02:04.22 | Cide- | it's sorted by date/time |
| 02:04.35 | Thunder_Child | we are talking about alignment |
| 02:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/07/windows-7-to-rtm-on-july-13-2009.ars |
| 02:04.52 | Cide- | yeah, but the fact that it's sorted means you don't have to scan it very much |
| 02:05.06 | Cide- | and you usually scan the titles (at least I do) |
| 02:05.11 | Dagmar | Hmm... just in time for beer to go 64-bit |
| 02:05.11 | Thunder_Child | it may mean you dont have to, but i read them |
| 02:05.14 | Cide- | what do others think? |
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| 02:06.50 | Thunder_Child | Cide-, also everything stays new |
| 02:07.02 | Cide- | that's what I'm debugging right now |
| 02:07.04 | Cide- | no clue why |
| 02:07.12 | Cide- | the code appears to be solid |
| 02:07.23 | Thunder_Child | cookies? |
| 02:08.33 | Cide- | stored serverside |
| 02:11.26 | Cide- | I'm stupid |
| 02:11.37 | Cide- | fixed |
| 02:12.25 | Thunder_Child | Cide-, not fixed |
| 02:12.29 | Cide- | yes? |
| 02:12.37 | Thunder_Child | no? |
| 02:13.12 | Cide- | why not? |
| 02:13.47 | Thunder_Child | because it still shows new on them even after reading |
| 02:14.07 | Cide- | not for me |
| 02:14.19 | Cide- | if you're not logged in it will |
| 02:14.42 | Thunder_Child | i see, so these things are only reserved for people who have accounts |
| 02:14.48 | Cide- | I'll remove all (new) for people who aren't logged in |
| 02:14.51 | Cide- | yes |
| 02:15.04 | Thunder_Child | well i am not logged in and they all have new |
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| 02:16.33 | Cide- | fixed |
| 02:18.03 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 02:18.07 | Thunder_Child | fianly |
| 02:18.37 | Thunder_Child | working |
| 02:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.hulu.com/watch/72444/saturday-night-live-update-feature-star-trek#s-p1-st-i3 |
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| 02:35.33 | Furl | Anyone know of a well-updated alternative to the CowTip addon? |
| 02:36.12 | Ackis | was there ever an announcement why the tourney realms were up? |
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| 02:37.52 | Furl | :/ |
| 02:38.25 | Ackis | Seerah: so I spent 4 hours of my life in Ikea... and came out $400 shorter :( :O |
| 02:38.45 | Furl | I took some pencils, they have nice little short pencils! |
| 02:38.52 | Furl | With "IKEA" on them. |
| 02:38.54 | Furl | :o |
| 02:40.18 | Seerah | Ackis: hehehe |
| 02:40.21 | Seerah | I miss IKEA |
| 02:41.46 | Furl | Any of yous know a CowTip-like addon that isn't CowTip? |
| 02:42.11 | Furl | Cause Cowtip isn't hooking right on the 3.2 PTR, and I seriously don't want to bother. |
| 02:43.02 | Furl | Better yet, do I even have voice? |
| 02:43.06 | Furl | :< |
| 02:43.22 | Ackis | Furl: tiptac |
| 02:43.50 | Furl | Thanks |
| 02:44.51 | Thunder_Child | Seerah, go get cardboard out of the trash. make furniture. now you have ikea. |
| 02:44.57 | Seerah | hehe |
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| 03:16.27 | tase_ | How do I find the path to an icon |
| 03:17.50 | Nafe | tase: what kinda of icon do you have in mind? A spell icon, icon somewhere else on the UI, ...? |
| 03:17.58 | tase | inventory icon |
| 03:18.18 | Nafe | I think it's returned in some api, lemme look fast |
| 03:18.29 | tase | i wanna use dogtag to show an icon if the target is a rare / elite |
| 03:18.32 | Seerah | !api getiteminfo |
| 03:18.32 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getiteminfo': GetTradeTargetItemInfo, GetItemInfo |
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| 03:18.58 | Nafe | I didn't know if the bot shows more info than that - does it? |
| 03:19.14 | Thunder_Child | !api GetItemInfo |
| 03:19.14 | lua_bot | GetItemInfo: Returns information about an item, by name, link or id (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo) |
| 03:19.35 | Seerah | thanks, TC |
| 03:19.42 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
| 03:20.01 | Nafe | itemName, itemLink, itemRarity, itemLevel, itemMinLevel, itemType, itemSubType, itemStackCount, itemEquipLoc, itemTexture = GetItemInfo(itemID or "itemString" or "itemName" or "itemLink") |
| 03:20.27 | tase | i see, i need to have seen the item since it's drawn from the cache |
| 03:20.30 | Nafe | itemIcon = GetItemIcon(itemID or "itemString" or "itemName" or "itemLink") |
| 03:20.47 | Seerah | new function? |
| 03:20.57 | Nafe | as of 2.4 according to wowwiki |
| 03:21.41 | Nafe | tase: I believe you can load an item into the cache by setting a tooltip to it |
| 03:21.57 | tase | i see |
| 03:22.09 | Nafe | (I'm not sure how to do that though, you'd have to ask someone else) |
| 03:22.16 | tase | you mean modifying a itemlink to point to the item's id ? |
| 03:23.00 | tase | well first things first, whats the method to output to chat tab 1 / system message |
| 03:23.47 | Seerah | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("message") |
| 03:25.15 | Nafe | print(msg) works too, I think |
| 03:25.26 | Seerah | oh yeah :p (playing a game atm) |
| 03:25.43 | Seerah | that was added in 3.0 iirc |
| 03:25.47 | tase | I see I got it |
| 03:26.35 | Nafe | Seerah: ah, that would explain why I didn't hear about it until I started frequenting the UI&Macros forums again ~1 mo. ago |
| 03:26.38 | Nafe | GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("itemString" or "itemLink") - Changes the item which is displayed in the tooltip according to the passed argument. |
| 03:26.56 | Nafe | so it appears you only need to use an itemString, not know the name of the item |
| 03:27.19 | Nafe | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString |
| 03:27.39 | Arrowmaster | the name only works if you have the item in your bags |
| 03:28.12 | Nafe | I was more concerned with the idea of making an itemLink. The server doesn't like it if you use an itemId w/ the wrong name, I thought |
| 03:28.15 | Seerah | in your bags or in your cache, arrow? |
| 03:28.22 | Arrowmaster | bags |
| 03:28.25 | Seerah | ah |
| 03:28.39 | Nafe | item:6948:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 is an example itemString iirc |
| 03:28.53 | Nafe | or do you need the leading "item:" ? |
| 03:29.01 | Arrowmaster | all you need to pass is "item:6948" to sethyperlink |
| 03:29.30 | Nafe | ooh good to know |
| 03:29.56 | tase | the other fields are gems/enchants and I gues they are defaulted if empty |
| 03:30.04 | Arrowmaster | youll need more if you want more specifics, like if its an item that has a random suffix |
| 03:31.13 | tase | but is there a way to insert an itemlink in the chat, last time i checked the client smudged the link when typing it right into the chat |
| 03:31.40 | Arrowmaster | you cant type |'s into the chat |
| 03:31.49 | Nafe | | = \124 |
| 03:32.30 | tase | yea |
| 03:32.33 | Nafe | wowhead's "Link" button is a good example |
| 03:33.23 | Nafe | BLAH /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("BLAH: \124cff0070dd\124Hitem:34060:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h[Flying Machine Control]\124h\124r"); |
| 03:34.16 | Nafe | if you're doing this stuff in an addon, you can use | just fine |
| 03:37.10 | tase | i need a good hud/unitframe addon, tierd of xperl and icehud is hard to make look nice |
| 03:40.02 | Dagmar | PitBull4 |
| 03:40.05 | Dagmar | Just expect to work for it |
| 03:40.14 | Dagmar | It doesn't actually come with a config of it's own |
| 03:40.19 | Thunder_Child | PB4 is good |
| 03:49.04 | tase | oh hey icehud had a elite icon setting |
| 03:50.09 | Dagmar | th4+s why 1ts uB3r k3Wl |
| 03:52.42 | Nafe | hmm... so has anyone else noticed this: ever since Blizzard silently implemented a change to a Calendar function limitation I brought up (here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=11296501305 ), we've been able to get the class&level of a player, even when offline? |
| 03:53.13 | Arrowmaster | ones that arent in your guild? |
| 03:53.27 | Nafe | CalendarNewEvent() -> CalendarEventInvite("Nafe") -> print(CalendarEventGetInvite(2)) |
| 03:53.34 | Nafe | let me try it on some random player |
| 03:53.52 | Arrowmaster | wont they get a mail about it? |
| 03:54.09 | Nafe | not if the event isn't created with CalendarAddEvent() |
| 03:56.16 | Nafe | worked on a random person I saw in trade |
| 03:57.36 | Nafe | I'm not complaining... but I'm just surprised it hasn't been noticed |
| 03:58.04 | Arrowmaster | well you can do that in 3.2 anyway |
| 03:59.09 | Nafe | I don't believe so, unless I missed an API |
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| 03:59.53 | Nafe | you get the GUID from chat messages, and can color by class now; I didn't see anything about level, nor being able to do it while they're offline |
| 04:00.08 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 04:01.21 | Nafe | arg12 in chat messages is the GUID, then you can use... localizedClass, englishClass, localizedRace, englishRace, sex = GetPlayerInfoByGUID(arg12) |
| 04:01.55 | Nafe | I think someone reported it only works IF you've received a chat message from them, or seen them |
| 04:03.09 | Shadowed | correct |
| 04:03.21 | Shadowed | or whoed or friends or soon them within 100 yards was what I saw |
| 04:03.29 | Nafe | yep, just found the post |
| 04:03.44 | Nafe | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031134556&sid=1&pageNo=1#17 |
| 04:05.52 | Nafe | anyways, it seems like class&level can be obtained for offline players |
| 04:08.54 | Dagmar | Unless somethings' changed, that's conditional on whether or not the client was previously exposed to that information |
| 04:09.33 | tase | what kind of interface do you guys have |
| 04:11.18 | Dagmar | One I painstakingly assembled with pitbull4 |
| 04:11.39 | Nafe | hmmm |
| 04:11.48 | Nafe | so Dagmar, I should test again after clearing my cache? |
| 04:12.07 | Dagmar | After clearing the cache the client will probably pretend it doesn't know much of anything anymore |
| 04:12.19 | Dagmar | Oh, and odn't do that if you're logged out at Dalaran. Hehe |
| 04:12.45 | Dagmar | Dalaran has this cool way of making the client spend so much time populating hte cache it'll forget to talk to the server for long enough to get dumped before you can fully log in. ;) |
| 04:12.58 | Nafe | noted, I won't do it there =) |
| 04:14.37 | tase | dagmar can you share you interface :? lf a good setup for my warlock |
| 04:15.08 | tase | share = picture |
| 04:15.32 | Nafe | Dagmar: still works with someone who is offline in my friends list |
| 04:16.49 | Nafe | works also with someone offline who is not on my friends list |
| 04:17.24 | Dagmar | tase: I've no warlock, but I think I MIGHT have the thing stashed somewhere for guildies. gimme a few minutes to look |
| 04:17.32 | tase | thanks very muhc |
| 04:18.33 | Dagmar | Ah. pardon the long URL |
| 04:18.34 | Dagmar | http://pawsforconcern.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=186981&ForumID=879817&TabID=1580699&Replies=1&TopicID=8143950 |
| 04:18.49 | Dagmar | ...and pardon what Guild Portal has degraded my themeing to |
| 04:19.01 | Dagmar | They are "no longer in use" by our guild. hehe |
| 04:19.34 | Dagmar | We've got some people who knit as a hobby, so if they could figure it out from that, most everyone else should be able to |
| 04:19.53 | tase | hm well access denied =/ |
| 04:20.25 | Dagmar | buhwha? |
| 04:20.37 | Dagmar | Ah... One moment |
| 04:25.42 | Dagmar | Right. Let's try this copied to the new forum then |
| 04:25.43 | Dagmar | http://www.pawsforconcern.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13 |
| 04:25.55 | Dagmar | I forgot that none of hte old forum was really exposed to the public |
| 04:26.40 | Dagmar | It's kinda a crude way to copy profiles, but until ckknight gets the functionality in or I stop being a lazy twit and write a marshaller and transfer routine or two, that's about as easily as one can toss a config to someone else |
| 04:27.16 | ckknight | waves |
| 04:27.23 | Dagmar | Hey man |
| 04:27.41 | Dagmar | To clarify I'm absolutely *not* criticizing you in any way here |
| 04:27.45 | Dagmar | That thing is pure awesome |
| 04:29.13 | Dagmar | tase: The link at the bottom in a slightly indirect way (because comcast hates people who actually know how to move files around) eventually gets you to some screenshots of the interface with pitbull in config mode so one can see where all the elements are |
| 04:29.52 | Dagmar | I don't do a lot of 25-mans so that particular aspect of the thing isn't quite complete, but it's enough to let you not get killed because of all the boxes int he middle of the screen. ;) |
| 04:30.03 | Thunder_Child | your PB4 setup hurts the eyes |
| 04:30.26 | Dagmar | Dude, it's the config mode |
| 04:30.38 | Thunder_Child | i know what it's in |
| 04:31.05 | Dagmar | It's "a buncha boxes" when it's not in config mode, but at least the info I need to know is "right there" |
| 04:31.17 | Dagmar | I hadn't done anything with custom frames then |
| 04:31.35 | Thunder_Child | w/e, my tatses obviously differ from yours |
| 04:31.51 | Dagmar | I worry about functional first |
| 04:31.56 | Thunder_Child | to the extent that i dont use pb4 for raid, i use praid |
| 04:32.01 | Thunder_Child | and grid |
| 04:33.12 | Dagmar | Anyway, that's a bit old, not entirely complete, but it's got enough "working parts" that someone should be able to spend a lot less time figuring things out before they've got a working config to suit their own tastes |
| 04:33.30 | Dagmar | Yeah my current 25-man config is just about as simple as grid. |
| 04:33.44 | Dagmar | I don't heal so it's just a list of boxes that have names and show hitpoints |
| 04:34.13 | Dagmar | I'd eliminate the hitpoint sliders if I weren't worried I'd have another "Hey where'd everyone go?" moment |
| 04:34.48 | Dagmar | "WE CAN STILL DO THIS! WHAT DO YOU MEAN WIPE IT?" *blazing away, blissfully unaware that I'm one of the last five people left alive* |
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| 04:35.52 | tase | is having the player/target/pet bars in the upper left corner of the screen optimal ? |
| 04:36.01 | Dagmar | You can move them anywhere |
| 04:36.14 | tase | this is my UI now |
| 04:36.15 | tase | http://yfrog.com/0xui03072009p |
| 04:36.30 | Corrodias | my UI was an ungodly mess when i played |
| 04:36.58 | Dagmar | Yeah I'd worry about hud stuff in the middle except that it's mainly a distraction |
| 04:37.02 | Dagmar | ...at least for me |
| 04:37.29 | Dagmar | The only thing I *really* need to know about hitpoints are a) am I about to die, b) is my target about to die, and c) am I out of mana |
| 04:37.41 | tase | yea with my ui that i setup now is bulky but having fat xperl bars in the corner isn't much better |
| 04:37.44 | Dagmar | So I keep all that nice stuff up in the corner where I can glance at it if I need to |
| 04:37.59 | Dagmar | You can make the things as thin or as long or as tall as you like |
| 04:38.04 | Dagmar | You can change their proportion |
| 04:38.12 | Dagmar | You can change the font placement, style, size, etc. |
| 04:38.16 | Dagmar | You can't change the flavors yet. |
| 04:38.31 | tase | i used pb2 or pb3 back a while |
| 04:38.36 | Dagmar | Mostly they all still taste like "plastic screen protector" but I'm working on that |
| 04:38.45 | tase | yea that what i didnt like |
| 04:38.54 | tase | atleast xperl has a "pearl" appearance |
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| 04:41.19 | tase | havent seen screens of the pb4 yet |
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| 04:42.51 | tase | gunna use xperl + icehud |
| 04:43.41 | Thunder_Child | pb4 > xperl |
| 04:43.53 | Dagmar | Clicky the linnk that says Photos on the right http://home.comcast.net/~evildagmar/site/ |
| 04:44.03 | Dagmar | THen you'll see the "eyesore" stuff Thunder was talking about |
| 04:44.16 | End | pb4 looks like a lot of things |
| 04:44.30 | Dagmar | "Just" a unit frames replacement |
| 04:44.45 | Dagmar | Ludicrously modular tho |
| 04:45.08 | Dagmar | My gf's config finally makes the debuffs she can dispel nice and gigantic so she can't miss them |
| 04:45.26 | Thunder_Child | only thing that was more modular than that was discord |
| 04:45.56 | Dagmar | I'm a huge fan of the MT frame now that I've trained the guild leader to actually flag those people |
| 04:46.23 | Nafe | Dagmar: how'd you manage that? I can never get people to do it |
| 04:46.44 | Dagmar | Nafe: Tell them "If you mark them as main tanks I will be able to more easily misdirect to them to save your wifes clothy ass" |
| 04:47.19 | Dagmar | Plus I've also got little bartender buttons next to that frame so I pretty much just speedily click next to their name for a misdirect |
| 04:47.28 | Dagmar | It becomes a race between my left hand on the G keys and the mouse on the right |
| 04:47.59 | Dagmar | The guild leader knows we're all like rabid monkeys now with raid markers and so on |
| 04:48.12 | Dagmar | Put a skull over it and we'll shoot it until the cows come home |
| 04:48.40 | Dagmar | Mark X and circle square and we'll just stseamroll the lot without any further instruction |
| 04:48.55 | Dagmar | ...although we might take "individual liberties" about how we go about that at times |
| 04:49.14 | Dagmar | I like misdirecting things into a freezing arrow trap laid at my gf's feet. |
| 04:49.30 | Dagmar | It's great fun |
| 04:49.31 | Dagmar | :) |
| 04:49.40 | Dagmar | She doesn't hit very hard |
| 04:50.07 | Nafe | haha |
| 04:50.14 | Nafe | I'm not a hunter. No MD fun here =\ |
| 04:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | slashdot: "How To Get Your Program Professionally Marketed?" tags: business networking !billymays |
| 04:59.53 | Torhal | Wow |
| 04:59.56 | Torhal | Harsh |
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| 05:02.14 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, at the moment the level coloring for dragonblight is darker than grizzly hills |
| 05:18.18 | Arrowmaster | www.battlestargalacticadvd.com |
| 05:18.24 | Arrowmaster | so should i get the dvd or bluray |
| 05:19.02 | ccox | blueray |
| 05:19.17 | Thunder_Child | do you have a bluray player Arrowmaster? |
| 05:19.20 | Arrowmaster | i only have one bluray player and its a ps3 |
| 05:19.21 | ccox | and a LED backlit widescreen TV to go with it |
| 05:19.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: bluray, if for no other reason than to rip it later |
| 05:19.37 | ccox | Heh, most blueray players are PS3's |
| 05:19.46 | Thunder_Child | i doubt you want my opnion about that show in gerneal |
| 05:19.50 | Thunder_Child | general* |
| 05:19.50 | Arrowmaster | but i dont have an hdtv to hook my ps3 upto and my lcd doesnt support hdcp so ps3 wont work with it |
| 05:20.01 | ccox | I don't have a single game for my PS3 - all it's for is blueray and occaional old DVDs |
| 05:20.13 | Arrowmaster | i have 4 ps3 games |
| 05:20.35 | Arrowmaster | mgs4, heavenly sword, resistance, resistance2 |
| 05:22.07 | Arrowmaster | but getting the series on bluray sound appealing just because its a recent series that was probably filmed in good enough quality to be worth it |
| 05:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 05:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | bluray, if for no other reason than to rip it later (to play it on a device that'll allow you to do so) |
| 05:23.44 | Arrowmaster | if i install linux on my ps3 is there anything that can rip bluray from it? |
| 05:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, that's how people started ripping bluray stuff |
| 05:24.23 | ScytheBlade1 | though I have no idea how complicated that would be |
| 05:24.28 | Arrowmaster | if so i have my motivation for backing up the harddrive and reformating it to make room for linux |
| 05:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | and really, my next optical disc drive will be a bluray/dvd/cd reader/writer combo drive |
| 05:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | anything else doesn't make sense |
| 05:27.30 | Shirik | topic #wowuidev |
| 05:27.51 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 05:27.51 | purl | beats Shirik severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 05:29.47 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy 4th of July, America! (And everyone else too, but you probably don't care, so nyah) |
| 05:30.03 | Thunder_Child | btw Shirik, it would seem that the ftp system has slight issues |
| 05:30.09 | Shirik | o? |
| 05:30.14 | Thunder_Child | size issues |
| 05:30.23 | Thunder_Child | i upped something that was to large |
| 05:30.30 | Thunder_Child | it said to resize it to xxx |
| 05:30.32 | Thunder_Child | so i did |
| 05:30.51 | Thunder_Child | then reupped it and it wouldnt take it. however when i did it through the site it took it |
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| 05:40.59 | Arrowmaster | so im barrowing a multimeter thingy from my high voltage electrician uncle to clip on some power lines in the attic to measure how much amps were being used on them to know if a big fan would run on it |
| 05:41.03 | Arrowmaster | and i cliped it onto the power cable for my computer and it said 7amps |
| 05:41.22 | Iriel | That soundsa bout right |
| 05:41.28 | Iriel | 850W or so |
| 05:41.28 | Arrowmaster | and the monitor was 4 amps, but i swear the breakers are only 10 amps |
| 05:41.44 | Iriel | assuming you have a very heavily loaded system |
| 05:42.01 | Arrowmaster | 650watt psu if i remember correctly |
| 05:42.11 | Iriel | then it's a bit high 8-) |
| 05:43.12 | Arrowmaster | its older |
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| 06:10.14 | Thunder_Child | ummm...do you really need 885 hit rating when dual wielding? |
| 06:10.21 | Aqua | nope |
| 06:10.31 | Thunder_Child | then why does wowwiki say so? |
| 06:10.51 | Aqua | thats no hit from talents |
| 06:10.54 | Aqua | probably |
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| 06:39.57 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 06:40.11 | Shirik | lua> 7 * 120 |
| 06:40.12 | lua_bot | Shirik: 840 |
| 06:40.16 | Shirik | That is way too high |
| 06:40.25 | Shirik | 840 VA? |
| 06:40.30 | Shirik | no way |
| 06:40.50 | Shirik | What did you measure? |
| 06:41.21 | Shirik | oh, was it an inductance meter? |
| 06:41.34 | Shirik | Like did it go around the wire instead of actually touching it? |
| 06:42.08 | Shirik | Arrowmaster disappeared :( |
| 06:49.40 | Thunder_Child | i was enjoying it at least Shirik |
| 06:50.19 | Shirik | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Cairenn is the goddess | Happy 4th of July, America! (And everyone else too, but you probably don't care, so nyah) |
| 06:50.21 | Shirik | er |
| 06:50.23 | Shirik | fail |
| 06:50.27 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Cairenn is the goddess | Happy 4th of July, America! (And everyone else too, but you probably don't care, so nyah) |
| 06:50.35 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:51.35 | Thunder_Child | the 4th of july is rather iritating tbh, people get even stupider than usual around here |
| 06:51.38 | Shirik | p.s. Iriel be careful with what you say |
| 06:51.52 | Shirik | not 850W, 850VA :) |
| 06:55.38 | Shirik | actually now that I do the math, 840 VA isn't too too bad I guess, depending on exactly what your computer's specs are |
| 06:55.44 | Thunder_Child | I <3 eureka |
| 06:56.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, how does VA translate to W? |
| 06:56.35 | Shirik | that's not a simple question |
| 06:56.43 | Thunder_Child | yes it is |
| 06:56.48 | Shirik | technically Watt = voltage times current |
| 06:56.56 | Shirik | so 1 VA = 1 W |
| 06:57.02 | Corrodias | does watt measure anything ... useful? |
| 06:57.03 | Shirik | but that's not really true, which is why the distinction exist |
| 06:57.07 | Shirik | watt is power |
| 06:57.16 | Shirik | when you start talking about AC circuits though, it gets really complicated |
| 06:57.18 | Shirik | very quickly |
| 06:57.19 | Cruciformer | Morning all |
| 06:57.27 | Corrodias | so why is the power different from just current? |
| 06:57.38 | Shirik | Because |
| 06:57.44 | Corrodias | that's not very helpful |
| 06:57.52 | Shirik | The amount of power required to move 1A can be equivalent to 0.25A |
| 06:57.59 | Cruciformer | is there a function I can call that will tell me what armor type an item is (cloth, leather, plate etc)? |
| 06:58.04 | Shirik | 1A at 1V is the same as 0.25A at 4V |
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| 06:58.50 | Corrodias | i'm too beered up to understand anyway |
| 06:58.55 | Shirik | In a household just about everything runs on 120V so its power consumption is directly proportional to its current draw |
| 06:59.06 | Shirik | however, in other systems, the voltage might be different |
| 06:59.30 | Shirik | Anyway, Thunder_Child, to answer your question directly, there are two obvious differences: |
| 07:00.04 | Shirik | 1) Technically speaking, everything in your house uses 0W because you use positive then negative power (as the current goes back and forth) |
| 07:00.07 | Fisker | argh Shirik |
| 07:00.13 | Thunder_Child | that wasnt my question exactly but i'm good with it |
| 07:00.34 | Shirik | 2) If you were to take the absolute value, it's still not quite correct because there is a difference between "perceived power" and "actual power" |
| 07:00.55 | Shirik | that is, despite the fact that you've got 100 VA, for example, you still can't actually use 100 W of power |
| 07:01.09 | Shirik | that mostly has to do with the fact that it's not a constant voltage, etc. |
| 07:01.22 | Shirik | the math gets very ugly and goes into differential equations at that point |
| 07:01.37 | Thunder_Child | mmm..diffyq |
| 07:01.41 | Shirik | The most commonly used translation is 60% |
| 07:01.49 | Shirik | lua> .6 * 850 |
| 07:01.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: 510 |
| 07:01.54 | Shirik | so 850VA would be 510W |
| 07:01.57 | Shirik | but that's just an estimate |
| 07:02.10 | Fisker | punches Shirik |
| 07:02.24 | Shirik | so I believe that answers your question Thunder_Child |
| 07:02.29 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 07:02.34 | Shirik | at least to the degree that I'm willing to answer it :P |
| 07:02.50 | Shirik | I would need to know circuit knowledge of his PSU before I could go further :) |
| 07:03.19 | Thunder_Child | so i have 1250VA then...roughly |
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| 07:04.02 | Shirik | Here we go, this is a pretty good description of the problem |
| 07:04.06 | Shirik | "The average power passing through a circuit is the average of the instantaneous voltage and current. With AC, the voltage and current are always changing sinusoidally. If their waveforms are in phase, the average power is the product of the RMS voltage and the RMS current. But, if the waveforms are not in phase, the average power is less, in proportion to the sine of the phase difference." |
| 07:04.28 | Shirik | A perfect power supply would have zero phase difference. However, that's impossible except in the case where you have zero resistance |
| 07:06.23 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:08.48 | Fisker | cries |
| 07:10.29 | Cruciformer | So does anyone know how I can determine the armor class of an item from an itemlink? |
| 07:10.29 | Shirik | I apologize, I mispoke |
| 07:10.39 | Shirik | not zero resistance, zero capacitance/inductance |
| 07:10.47 | Fisker | rages |
| 07:10.50 | Shirik | I should hurt myself for that one |
| 07:11.00 | Fisker | i should hurt you for that one |
| 07:12.00 | Thunder_Child | heh supercooled PS |
| 07:17.13 | Grum | wasnt it 885 rating to not get any misses with your offhand on white attacks? |
| 07:17.23 | Grum | oh sigh, l2scrolldownerror |
| 07:25.18 | Fisker | slaps Grum around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:25.24 | Grum | cries |
| 07:26.16 | Grum | mean fister mean |
| 07:26.32 | Fisker | Give me the SC2 beta then |
| 07:26.40 | Grum | kk bend over |
| 07:26.51 | Fisker | That is not how one gets the SC2 beta |
| 07:26.58 | Grum | you'd be surprised |
| 07:27.18 | Fisker | no |
| 07:27.25 | Fisker | I'd be killing you |
| 07:27.38 | Grum | LOLOLOL |
| 07:27.48 | Fisker | lololol indeed |
| 07:28.20 | Shirik | oh my |
| 07:28.26 | Shirik | I think Grum and Fisker were made for each other |
| 07:28.39 | Fisker | i will actually end both of you |
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| 07:28.44 | Shirik | it's almost like putting two ALICE bots in the same room together |
| 07:29.04 | Thunder_Child | ALICE has better manners |
| 07:29.10 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 07:29.25 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:29.25 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:29.27 | Fisker | slaps Grum around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:29.30 | Fisker | What can you do? |
| 07:29.41 | Thunder_Child | persuades Fisker to eat the cyanide sandwich |
| 07:30.02 | Fisker | doesn't eat cyanide sandwiches |
| 07:30.14 | Thunder_Child | steals Fisker's cookies. Mwahaha! |
| 07:30.18 | Grum | stuffs Fister. |
| 07:30.23 | Fisker | doesn't have cookies |
| 07:30.32 | Thunder_Child | pushes Fisker into a crevasse |
| 07:30.34 | Shirik | http://discovermagazine.com/2007/brain/i-chat-therefore-i-am/article_view?b_start:int=1&-C= |
| 07:30.38 | Shirik | Read the last one on page two |
| 07:31.32 | Grum | indeed, Fister deceives because he's a woman! |
| 07:33.16 | Shirik | I think my favorite one is |
| 07:33.17 | Shirik | J: Do you think youÂ’re alive? |
| 07:33.18 | Shirik | A: Yes, I am sure I am alive. ItÂ’s great to be alive, isnÂ’t it? |
| 07:33.18 | Shirik | J: No. |
| 07:33.36 | Fisker | i'm banging Grum's mom |
| 07:33.48 | Grum | she is kinda dead |
| 07:33.54 | Grum | so erm .. you are humping ashes |
| 07:34.09 | Cruciformer | necrophelia is a recognised perversion |
| 07:35.06 | Grum | well yes but usually there is a corpse involved |
| 07:35.33 | Cruciformer | I bow to your knowledge onthe subject :) |
| 07:36.47 | Shirik | Cairenn lies to us all the time |
| 07:37.28 | Shirik | goes to bed before she can kill him |
| 07:38.05 | Thunder_Child | hmm..less geeky than standard http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/Infinite_Pipv2Standard.png |
| 07:43.37 | Fisker | bangs Shirik |
| 07:49.20 | Industrial | Is there a map of all bonfires? |
| 07:49.33 | Thunder_Child | kindof |
| 07:49.36 | Thunder_Child | there is a list |
| 07:49.54 | Industrial | I still need to do them, thought doing them before the festival ends might be a good idea |
| 07:50.09 | Fisker | that's a horrible idea |
| 07:51.15 | Industrial | http://wow.scribblemaps.com/#id=midsummer09Horde and http://www.wowwiki.com/Alliance_Bonfire |
| 07:51.19 | Industrial | thar we go! |
| 07:58.24 | Cruciformer | Does anyone know if the return order of GetAuctionItemClasses() is invariant for a given UI release? |
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| 08:29.43 | Cruciformer | shammys cant wear plate right? |
| 08:30.38 | Industrial | .. no |
| 08:32.29 | Cruciformer | Im trying to set up a table of valid loot types for the various classes, and I have only ever played a druid. I know what most other classes can do but I dont know shammys at all. |
| 08:33.07 | Industrial | shamans and hunters get mail at 40, paladins and warriors get plate at 40, thats it |
| 08:33.45 | Cruciformer | Which classes can use, respectively, shields, librams, idols, totems and sigils? |
| 08:33.54 | Cruciformer | Shields I think is warrior, pally, shammy |
| 08:34.19 | Cruciformer | Idols are know druids can but can other classes as well? |
| 08:34.28 | Industrial | no |
| 08:34.42 | Industrial | those ranged slot items are only for 1 class |
| 08:34.45 | Cruciformer | librarms only pallys? |
| 08:34.56 | Industrial | yes |
| 08:34.58 | Cruciformer | totems are obvious shaman |
| 08:35.02 | Cruciformer | and sigils? |
| 08:35.25 | Industrial | DK's |
| 08:35.29 | Industrial | why do you want this table |
| 08:35.51 | Cruciformer | its for a loot distribution mod. It filters out who can bid on what. |
| 08:36.40 | Cruciformer | and I am setting up 2 tables for the armor types, strict and relaxed. In strict, only warriors, apply and dks can bid on plate, in relaxed they can bid on mail as well etc. |
| 08:36.52 | Cruciformer | s/apply/pally/ |
| 08:37.02 | Industrial | ah k |
| 08:38.29 | Cruciformer | so sigils are Dk exclusive? |
| 08:39.28 | Industrial | yes |
| 08:39.36 | Industrial | idols -> druid |
| 08:39.48 | Industrial | its prolly all on wowwiki |
| 08:40.23 | Cruciformer | I looked (albeit cursorily(sp?)) |
| 08:40.23 | batbot | Cruciformer, cursorily is correct. |
| 08:45.38 | Industrial | anyway, need more? |
| 08:47.00 | Cruciformer | ope thats it ... thats all that the GetAuctionItemSubClasses() is returning at any rate |
| 08:47.07 | Cruciformer | thanks for the info :) |
| 08:48.13 | Industrial | np |
| 08:59.50 | Fisker | slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:00.05 | Industrial | you know how I want it Fisker |
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| 09:07.39 | Cruciformer | Industrial: My maid doesnt like Grendel ...she came in and said "whats that noise?" :) |
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| 09:15.27 | Wobin | omg |
| 09:15.31 | Wobin | the raptor pets are adorable |
| 09:15.58 | Cruciformer | my fave is the mini resto druid tree that falls asleep all the time |
| 09:16.11 | Cruciformer | one day im gonna do the argent bullshit and get one |
| 09:19.33 | Fisker | produces the nastiest fart known to man and sends it in Wobin's general direction |
| 09:19.50 | Fisker | you may now "FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-" |
| 09:20.22 | Wobin | It'll dissapate before it reaches the ocean |
| 09:25.53 | Cruciformer | canmages use both 1 and 2-hand swords or just 1-hand? |
| 09:28.23 | Industrial | Cruciformer: heh :p |
| 09:28.58 | Cruciformer | well teh website is ambiguous it just says "swords" |
| 09:29.20 | Cruciformer | Im guessing its only 1-h coz for other classes it explicitly lists 2-hand swords. |
| 09:34.18 | Gnarfoz | that'd be 1-hand only |
| 09:34.47 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_proficiencies |
| 09:35.15 | Cruciformer | Gnarfoz: yeah I just found that 2 mins ago, tyvm |
| 09:35.24 | Gnarfoz | also, look at NeoTron's MagicDKP |
| 09:35.32 | Gnarfoz | it does exactly what you're trying to do, too |
| 09:35.51 | Gnarfoz | (the logic should be in MagicDKP_Client, if I'm not mistaken) |
| 09:36.23 | Cruciformer | Heh .. I just finished doing my own tables and all teh logic was already in place. Too late she cried. |
| 09:55.49 | Fisker | herro Gnarfoz |
| 09:55.52 | Fisker | where's my damn beta? |
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| 09:57.52 | Fisker | touches Gnarfoz on the underpants |
| 10:02.08 | Fisker | Druids can't parry right? |
| 10:02.21 | Cruciformer | correct |
| 10:02.42 | Fisker | hahaha |
| 10:02.47 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightning's+Blade&n=Faizcuntrol |
| 10:03.32 | Cruciformer | saints preserve me wtf is he doing with that trinket? |
| 10:03.41 | Fisker | dunno |
| 10:03.56 | Cruciformer | must be going for just the stam (which is nice n high for a bear) |
| 10:04.01 | Fisker | but he was busy calling us n00bs because we hadn't taken Mimiron hardmode (On 10-man, after nerf) |
| 10:04.42 | Wobin | ugh |
| 10:04.48 | Wobin | transforming worgen are painful to tame =P |
| 10:04.55 | End | lol |
| 10:05.12 | Aelobin | Wobin: what, where, erm? 0.o |
| 10:05.12 | Cruciformer | he has very low hit for a bear |
| 10:05.27 | Wobin | I'm just glad my inability to throw away costumes has allowed me this opportunity =) |
| 10:05.46 | Wobin | Aelobin: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031185016&postId=183140141237&sid=1#415 |
| 10:07.30 | Fisker | damnit Wobin |
| 10:07.42 | Fisker | then i can't get it on my hunter |
| 10:07.43 | Fisker | QQ |
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| 10:08.46 | Aelobin | im confused :P whats the limitting factor which determines whether you can get it or not? O_o |
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| 10:11.17 | Fisker | wtf is with all the festive kegs? |
| 10:11.55 | bluspacecow | b33rfest |
| 10:12.03 | bluspacecow | ~gstring Fisker |
| 10:12.31 | Fisker | btw Cruciformer |
| 10:12.38 | Fisker | his name was "Faizcumtroll" before |
| 10:12.42 | bluspacecow | ;( |
| 10:12.42 | Fisker | "faizcum" |
| 10:12.43 | Fisker | hoho |
| 10:12.50 | Fisker | So i reported him because he's a jerk |
| 10:12.58 | bluspacecow | no "purl stuffs a $50 note down Fisker's gstring" |
| 10:13.01 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 10:14.09 | Cruciformer | Fisker: Good for you :) |
| 10:14.43 | Wobin | Aelobin: you need to either still be on the quest, or not done it |
| 10:14.52 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 10:15.08 | Wobin | I never handed it in, cause I liked the worg costume |
| 10:15.42 | Fisker | indeed |
| 10:16.28 | bluspacecow | which Quest is that again ? |
| 10:16.34 | bluspacecow | ~beer bluspacecow |
| 10:16.34 | purl | ACTION deftly decants a fine Piraat for bluspacecow |
| 10:16.52 | Wobin | Alpha Worg |
| 10:16.57 | Aelobin | i probably handed it in :P |
| 10:17.05 | Aelobin | i gots my ghost wolf though <3 :P |
| 10:17.32 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11326 |
| 10:17.42 | bluspacecow | can you fight in ghost wolf form ? |
| 10:17.51 | bluspacecow | can you fight in worg form ? |
| 10:17.58 | Wobin | as a shaman? yes |
| 10:18.06 | nevcairiel | you can auto-attack =P |
| 10:18.21 | bluspacecow | and can you use spells in worg form ? |
| 10:19.01 | Wobin | no |
| 10:19.11 | Wobin | passive spells maybe |
| 10:19.13 | bluspacecow | ;( |
| 10:19.14 | Wobin | with the costume |
| 10:19.17 | bluspacecow | ~fondle Wobin |
| 10:19.18 | Wobin | like water shield |
| 10:20.03 | bluspacecow | brb food |
| 10:20.49 | Aelobin | off to check if i've done the quest xD |
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| 10:21.33 | Aelobin | i definitely did the first parts of the chain, but then after that my memory's blurry |
| 10:23.51 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2219ca592cf3eb3db532b2eb37281f14.jpg |
| 10:24.34 | Aelobin | :D gz |
| 10:24.34 | End | gratz |
| 10:24.50 | Caleb| | wtf? |
| 10:24.57 | sacarasc | HAX. |
| 10:25.02 | End | lol |
| 10:25.03 | Caleb| | how did you do that? |
| 10:25.11 | mikma | he haxxed |
| 10:25.11 | Caleb| | tame cast finish when it transforms? |
| 10:25.18 | End | pretty much |
| 10:26.03 | zenzio | does that model stick, or does it turn back to a normal wolf when you relog? |
| 10:26.43 | End | apparently it sticks...unless you go into a arena |
| 10:26.47 | End | from what I heard |
| 10:26.49 | Wobin | orly? |
| 10:26.53 | Wobin | what happens then? |
| 10:26.54 | zenzio | that's awesome |
| 10:27.01 | Wobin | I'm glad I don't pvp then =) |
| 10:27.02 | End | it turns into a worg I guess? |
| 10:27.30 | Wobin | I need a name |
| 10:27.40 | End | wow, my brain broke |
| 10:27.42 | Wobin | ooh |
| 10:27.43 | Wobin | Grendel |
| 10:27.51 | zenzio | Arugal |
| 10:27.54 | Wobin | actually that won't work |
| 10:28.15 | sacarasc | Mark! |
| 10:28.18 | Wobin | or will it? Wasn't Grendel the mother? Or was she just "Grendel's Mom"? |
| 10:28.19 | End | oh yeah, worgen is what those worg people are called |
| 10:28.23 | End | wow I'm bad |
| 10:28.42 | zenzio | I still remember our first adventures into Karazhan |
| 10:28.47 | zenzio | "Hey, I'm a wolf, cool!" |
| 10:29.03 | Aelobin | Wobin: any idea wher eyou get the disguise again? |
| 10:29.18 | Wobin | quest chain |
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| 10:29.23 | zenzio | isn't that the wolf-chain in Howling Fjord? |
| 10:29.23 | Wobin | blu linked it above |
| 10:29.27 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:29.30 | End | I think she was grendel's mom |
| 10:29.42 | End | grendel's mom being grendel's mom, of course |
| 10:29.57 | End | that's not helpful |
| 10:29.58 | End | or is it |
| 10:30.19 | End | wikipedia says grendel's mom was literally "Grendles modor" or Grendel's Mom in the original literature |
| 10:30.50 | zenzio | personally I think I would just call him Johnny |
| 10:32.34 | Wobin | I named him Oz |
| 10:32.48 | Wobin | well it is, cause Grendel was the ugly one =) |
| 10:33.31 | Aelobin | woah Skoll looks nice |
| 10:35.08 | mikma | wobin: oz xD |
| 10:35.33 | Wobin | as a name? |
| 10:35.38 | Cruciformer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A this makes me laugh |
| 10:35.53 | Aelobin | Skoll > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3easd2l9TM |
| 10:36.30 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 10:36.34 | Wobin | so Zappy =) |
| 10:36.41 | mikma | wobin: is lul |
| 10:37.20 | End | MANAMANA |
| 10:38.08 | Fisker | i rage |
| 10:41.10 | bluspacecow | I |
| 10:41.16 | bluspacecow | i fill *burp* |
| 10:42.18 | bluspacecow | Pardon moi XD |
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| 10:44.52 | Wobin | I want to find the original for Ma nah ma nah |
| 10:45.05 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.07 | Wobin | not the muppet one |
| 10:45.08 | Spellbinder | hmm |
| 10:45.09 | Wobin | the porn one =P |
| 10:45.10 | bluspacecow | wot dat ? |
| 10:45.16 | Spellbinder | oh |
| 10:45.25 | Spellbinder | the muppet one is original though |
| 10:46.09 | sacarasc | The muppet one is a take of the original song. |
| 10:46.21 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 10:46.30 | Spellbinder | :o |
| 10:46.39 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manah_Manah |
| 10:47.53 | bluspacecow | used in an italian film in '68 muppetts did their version 1969 |
| 10:50.51 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eAhFWs8lyo |
| 10:50.54 | Wobin | could be it |
| 10:51.29 | bluspacecow | ROFL ! |
| 10:51.38 | bluspacecow | bah bah nah nah nah |
| 10:51.44 | bluspacecow | ROFLMAO ! |
| 10:52.19 | Wobin | oho |
| 10:52.20 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=766h_WINWXQ&feature=related |
| 10:52.32 | Wobin | direct from the vinyl =) |
| 10:57.37 | Aelobin | its burning my mind 0_0 |
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| 10:58.11 | Wobin | doo doo de doo doo! |
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| 10:59.27 | bluspacecow | mah man mah na ! |
| 11:00.08 | Aelobin | it wont stop :'( |
| 11:00.35 | bluspacecow | ok now whos got the song stuck in their heads ? |
| 11:01.39 | Wobin | doo doo de doo doo! |
| 11:01.58 | bluspacecow | mah man mah na !! |
| 11:02.15 | bluspacecow | \o\ |
| 11:02.21 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 11:02.29 | bluspacecow | \o\ |
| 11:02.33 | mikma | C-C-C-C-C-COMBOBREAKER!!!! |
| 11:02.45 | bluspacecow | i was trying to do a dance |
| 11:03.31 | nevcairiel | you failed |
| 11:03.32 | nevcairiel | hard |
| 11:03.39 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2dc68da2ba0b5a9464eb066efedd0e77.jpg |
| 11:03.59 | nevcairiel | did it die yet? |
| 11:04.04 | Wobin | nope still alive |
| 11:04.06 | Wobin | after logout |
| 11:04.10 | Fisker | reported Wobin |
| 11:04.16 | Wobin | I'll dismiss and resummon |
| 11:04.25 | Wobin | same form |
| 11:05.05 | bluspacecow | what kind of pet is it normally ? |
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| 11:07.53 | Wobin | technically a wolf |
| 11:07.58 | Wobin | so it has Furious Howl |
| 11:08.03 | mikma | wlof |
| 11:08.03 | Wobin | and I don't lose any dps =) |
| 11:08.43 | mikma | pop that baby in pvp |
| 11:08.51 | Aelobin | cant be used in arenas |
| 11:08.57 | Aelobin | or it'll revert back apparently |
| 11:09.02 | Wobin | permanently? |
| 11:09.10 | Aelobin | *shrug* tis just what i read |
| 11:09.35 | bluspacecow | what happens when you send him/her to attack ? |
| 11:09.40 | Aelobin | http://www.maniasarcania.com/2009/07/04/pet-worgen/ - Also, be aware that — as Lathun/Xethik tells us in the comments — entering an Arena will reset your worgen to his worlf form. |
| 11:10.52 | mikma | i wonder is it possible to taim a druid then, too |
| 11:11.00 | zenzio | no |
| 11:11.04 | mikma | there's those tauren druids in feralas that turn into bear |
| 11:11.04 | bluspacecow | *tame |
| 11:11.21 | zenzio | oh, NPC druids... but I still doubt it |
| 11:11.29 | mikma | ... |
| 11:11.31 | Aelobin | doesnt it need to be beast -> human transformation |
| 11:11.45 | zenzio | can never help but cast the beast info spell on PC-druids |
| 11:11.46 | Aelobin | so that theyre classed as beasts in general |
| 11:11.59 | mikma | did you really think i was meaning to tame a player druid? d'oh |
| 11:12.18 | zenzio | mikma: I'm forced to work on a Mac on a Saturday, my brain is disconnected |
| 11:12.28 | bluspacecow | rofls |
| 11:12.36 | mikma | bluspacecow: also, if i want you to correct my words, i'll ask for it. thanks,. |
| 11:12.51 | bluspacecow | pfft |
| 11:12.52 | Aelobin | scare beast is so fun on dr00ds in pvp :> |
| 11:13.01 | bluspacecow | i see spelling mistakes i correct them |
| 11:13.14 | mikma | no, you will not. |
| 11:13.18 | mikma | that's the lamest thing you can do |
| 11:13.26 | bluspacecow | hmmmmmm |
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| 11:13.28 | bluspacecow | idc |
| 11:13.34 | sacarasc | *I don't care. |
| 11:13.44 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 11:13.50 | sacarasc | *Thank you. |
| 11:14.02 | zenzio | if you're going to correct people's typos, at least capitalize I properly |
| 11:14.07 | mikma | ~sacarasc++ |
| 11:14.31 | mikma | ~bluspacecow-- |
| 11:15.03 | sacarasc | Also, shouldn't it be "bluespacecow"? |
| 11:15.20 | bluspacecow | nah that name was taken when I tried ta name my toon that |
| 11:15.36 | sacarasc | *No, to |
| 11:18.49 | Aelobin | lol just took out all 8 UC auctioneers on a lvl 69 xD |
| 11:19.12 | foxlit | Your toon is in violation of the naming policy, then. |
| 11:19.25 | foxlit | assuming the naming policy even exists |
| 11:19.27 | Wobin | problem being |
| 11:19.31 | Wobin | you end up with a bear |
| 11:19.35 | Wobin | a nondescript bear |
| 11:24.09 | Fisker | haha |
| 11:24.11 | Fisker | fuck microsoft |
| 11:24.26 | Fisker | Some guy told me you could get microsoft points cheaper on some website |
| 11:24.36 | Fisker | So i buy them there and try to add them on the xbox live page |
| 11:24.41 | Fisker | Then it tells me to add them from the console |
| 11:24.53 | Fisker | goes out and buys a Xbox 360! |
| 11:24.57 | Fisker | also rages |
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| 11:30.58 | Fisker | oh lol |
| 11:31.11 | Fisker | It apparently accepts it from the xbox.com site but not the other one |
| 12:00.53 | Bruners | Fisker: what is it you need from microsoft? |
| 12:11.58 | Aelobin | all their base |
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| 12:45.53 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck, final fantasy 7 is in the gamefaqs top 10 right now |
| 12:52.40 | cbreak | it's a good game. |
| 12:53.07 | Arrowmaster | the message board got spammed i think and thats why |
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| 13:15.41 | Wobin | didn't they bring out a new edition of FFVII? |
| 13:15.52 | Wobin | so people are suddenly buying it for cheap |
| 13:16.58 | tlund | lua> "foo bar %s kaka":gsub("%%s", "(.+)") |
| 13:16.58 | lua_bot | tlund: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"foo bar %s kaka"' |
| 13:17.15 | tlund | lua> FOO="foo bar %s kaka"; FOO:gsub("%%s", "(.+)") |
| 13:17.16 | lua_bot | tlund: No output |
| 13:17.26 | tlund | lua> FOO="foo bar %s kaka"; print(FOO:gsub("%%s", "(.+)")) |
| 13:17.29 | lua_bot | tlund: foo bar (.+) kaka, 1 |
| 13:17.56 | tlund | lua> print(MARKED_AFK_MESSAGE) |
| 13:17.59 | lua_bot | tlund: nil |
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| 13:41.08 | Pneumatus | Arrowmaster / Wobin: they released ff7 on the ps3 download thing (and for psp) |
| 13:42.03 | Arrowmaster | oh the play ps1 games on ps3 or psp thingy? |
| 13:42.31 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 13:42.49 | Arrowmaster | i think i still have a download of the ultimate edition for pc somewhere |
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| 13:45.25 | Adys | http://www.programmerfish.com/source-code-of-several-7800-games-released/ |
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| 13:59.53 | Fisker | Firefox 7 Pneumatus? |
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| 14:12.33 | haste | Fisker: final fantasy |
| 14:23.29 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34X3byLNT-g |
| 14:23.58 | mikma | not safe for fisker |
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| 15:31.51 | Aelobin | anyone know the mechanics of the bg spirit healers? |
| 15:31.54 | Aelobin | how their timers work etc |
| 15:37.43 | Aelobin | i tried the "a 30 second res timer starts when someone dies and noone else is waiting to res, otherwise other people join the previous timer", and the "cycles 30 seconds from start of battleground" |
| 15:37.47 | Aelobin | neither add up though :/ |
| 15:38.27 | Mikk | 30 second intervals from the first seen rez |
| 15:38.32 | Mikk | yoinkyoink |
| 15:38.51 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 15:39.04 | Aelobin | how do you explain the first rezer's timer then? |
| 15:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | triggered on a not instantaneous check of spirits in the bg |
| 15:39.51 | Aelobin | could you elaborate ScytheBlade1 |
| 15:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | someone dies |
| 15:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ---> no timer |
| 15:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | person releases |
| 15:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ---> no timer |
| 15:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | some unspecified period of time after they released, usually between 1 and 5 seconds |
| 15:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ---> timer |
| 15:41.32 | theorbtwo | The "unspecified period" sounds like "when the server gets around to it" to me. |
| 15:41.55 | Aelobin | so after the first person ressurects, it's cycles round every 30 seconds for the rest of the BG? |
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| 15:42.02 | ScytheBlade1 | theorbtwo: I'd agree |
| 15:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Aelobin: *probably* |
| 15:42.24 | Kriseth | Guys, if I ask you for a little bit of help, would it be possible to aid me? |
| 15:42.27 | Aelobin | hehe ty, i know it's only guesses :P |
| 15:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ~asktoask |
| 15:42.31 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 15:42.59 | Aelobin | ScytheBlade1: any idea if horde/ally graveyards are synced? :P |
| 15:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Aelobin: none, but from what I've seen I doubt it |
| 15:43.41 | Aelobin | because if they were synced, it would base the first ress on the opposing faction deaths too |
| 15:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm decently sure it is a "once a ghost appears in this location, start the timer" thing |
| 15:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no clue if that means different GYs are on different timers though |
| 15:45.07 | Kriseth | Ok, for some reason |
| 15:45.08 | Aelobin | only problem is, when testing by being the first death i waited 5 seconds then released |
| 15:45.14 | Aelobin | and the timer was on 13 seconds until ress |
| 15:45.16 | Kriseth | I've written a simple automatic congratulations addon |
| 15:45.22 | Kriseth | But, when I change the variable at the top |
| 15:45.33 | Kriseth | and reload the addon, the message that the addon sends doesn't change |
| 15:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | we'd need to see the code. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 15:46.53 | Kriseth | You just want the .lua yes? |
| 15:47.03 | ScytheBlade1 | If that is the only code giving you problems |
| 15:47.10 | Kriseth | Well I don't know if that's the only thing |
| 15:47.20 | Kriseth | Everything else is working fine |
| 15:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be a good starting point then, yes |
| 15:49.05 | Kriseth | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117051 |
| 15:49.07 | Kriseth | There we go |
| 15:49.14 | Kriseth | I got quite a bit of help from a guild member |
| 15:49.20 | Kriseth | He told me to use the whole "state" thing |
| 15:49.25 | Kriseth | otherwise it wasn't working at all |
| 15:50.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it you mean your _OnEvent() ? |
| 15:51.04 | Kriseth | TestGratz_State = "On" |
| 15:51.07 | Kriseth | at the top |
| 15:51.13 | ScytheBlade1 | What about that? |
| 15:51.15 | Kriseth | I just had it without that |
| 15:51.23 | Kriseth | And just diving into the function straight away |
| 15:51.33 | Kriseth | But now, it's if TestGratz_State == "On" then |
| 15:52.46 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Run that, see what happens |
| 15:53.49 | Kriseth | Ok |
| 15:53.51 | Kriseth | gimme 2 secs |
| 15:54.09 | Kriseth | Nothing |
| 15:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you have lua errors enabled? |
| 15:54.40 | Kriseth | Nope :S |
| 15:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd recommend turning it on, and then reloading |
| 15:55.01 | Kriseth | Well, if I do |
| 15:55.05 | Kriseth | then nothing is coming up |
| 15:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | escape --> options --> help --> display lua errors |
| 15:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Or something similar |
| 15:55.27 | Kriseth | Ah, yes |
| 15:55.29 | Kriseth | they've been on |
| 15:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Try that same command, but with "On" instead of "off" |
| 15:56.07 | Kriseth | Again,nothing |
| 15:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | er. ha. yeah, nothing would happen |
| 15:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | should wake up |
| 15:57.15 | Kriseth | Why's that? |
| 15:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | event wouldn't be CHAT_MSG_GUILD_ACHIEVEMENT |
| 15:57.42 | Kriseth | Ah :P |
| 15:57.56 | Kriseth | But as I say |
| 15:57.58 | Kriseth | The problem is |
| 15:58.04 | Kriseth | When you load it up for the first time |
| 15:58.05 | Kriseth | it's fine |
| 15:58.05 | Kriseth | BUT |
| 15:58.12 | Kriseth | When you change the message at the top of the .lua file |
| 15:58.17 | Kriseth | and even reload the addon etc |
| 15:58.24 | Kriseth | it still displays the one it had when you 1st loaded it |
| 15:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that a saved variable by chance? |
| 16:00.12 | Kriseth | ## SavedVariables: TestGratz_State,TestGratz_Message |
| 16:00.13 | Kriseth | Ah |
| 16:00.14 | Kriseth | Ofc |
| 16:00.14 | Kriseth | >.> |
| 16:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 16:00.27 | Kriseth | So what should it be? |
| 16:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | You can either make is so that it isn't a saved variable, or manually change it with /run |
| 16:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | (or provide a method for changing it in a more user friendly way) |
| 16:01.38 | Kriseth | So how can I make it so it isn't a saved variable? ;p |
| 16:01.39 | Kriseth | Orr |
| 16:01.44 | Kriseth | How could I change it with /run |
| 16:01.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Remove the _Message variabled for your .toc |
| 16:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | or /run TestGratz_message = "Whatever #n, you suck" |
| 16:03.52 | Kriseth | So that's all it wants to be in the .toc? |
| 16:03.53 | Kriseth | ## SavedVariables: TestGratz_State |
| 16:03.54 | Kriseth | ? |
| 16:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 16:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to restart WoW whenever you change your .toc |
| 16:06.12 | Kriseth | Am doing now :) |
| 16:06.13 | Kriseth | Wait |
| 16:06.16 | Kriseth | completely restart? |
| 16:06.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 16:06.47 | Kriseth | Ok, give me 30 seconds |
| 16:11.05 | Kriseth | Right, retesting it now |
| 16:11.05 | Kriseth | :) |
| 16:12.53 | Kriseth | Still nothing |
| 16:12.54 | Kriseth | =/ |
| 16:12.56 | Kriseth | Wait |
| 16:13.00 | Kriseth | now it's not even gratz'ing |
| 16:13.03 | Kriseth | when someone gets an achievement |
| 16:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117052-1vjc:117051-3k7a |
| 16:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | try those changes, though in all honesty I have no idea |
| 16:15.35 | ScytheBlade1 | needs some medicine.. |
| 16:16.41 | foxlit | hey what? |
| 16:16.47 | Kriseth | Ok, lets see if this works |
| 16:16.47 | Kriseth | :p |
| 16:16.48 | foxlit | "self"?! |
| 16:16.52 | foxlit | BOO HISS ScytheBlade1! |
| 16:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | err, did I get that backwards? |
| 16:17.14 | Kriseth | Wait, what's wrong with self? |
| 16:17.15 | Kriseth | D: |
| 16:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | as stated I'm still waking up |
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| 16:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: seriously, did I get that backwards? |
| 16:18.36 | foxlit | No. You missed a minor detail. |
| 16:18.52 | foxlit | The diff is mostly pointless -- environmental globals are still around. The first this->self replacement won't work because the function doesn't take the self argument. |
| 16:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 16:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm retarded |
| 16:20.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Kriseth: ignore that suggestion.. I'm done for now, heh. Time for some food and drugs |
| 16:20.24 | Kriseth | >.> |
| 16:20.31 | Kriseth | It's not working at all now though |
| 16:20.32 | Kriseth | xP |
| 16:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, revert those changes. My bad, sorry |
| 16:21.05 | Kriseth | Foxlit |
| 16:21.07 | Kriseth | Any suggestions? |
| 16:21.20 | foxlit | I'm assuming you also have some XML? |
| 16:21.40 | Kriseth | Yeah, hang on |
| 16:23.06 | Kriseth | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117053 |
| 16:23.09 | Kriseth | Is the xml |
| 16:23.42 | foxlit | and when you say it doesn't work, you mean... |
| 16:23.53 | Shirik | ~doesntwork |
| 16:23.54 | purl | Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the config if that's the problem |
| 16:24.10 | Kriseth | I mean |
| 16:24.18 | Kriseth | It now isn't printing anything to the guild chat |
| 16:24.25 | Kriseth | Not even the original message |
| 16:24.49 | foxlit | The original message? |
| 16:24.59 | Kriseth | Well |
| 16:25.02 | Kriseth | I explained up there |
| 16:25.04 | Kriseth | I had it working |
| 16:25.09 | Shirik | can I yell at you for using "this" or has that already been done? |
| 16:25.13 | Kriseth | But, once the LUA line (3) was changed |
| 16:25.20 | Kriseth | And no, I've not been yelled at for that yet ;p |
| 16:25.26 | Kriseth | I attempted to make the message changeable |
| 16:25.29 | Shirik | and all the other globals, for that matter |
| 16:25.33 | Kriseth | But once the line was changed |
| 16:25.39 | foxlit | Shirik: meh, you can yell, but they aren't a problem. |
| 16:25.41 | Kriseth | then it still used the original message |
| 16:25.45 | Kriseth | Rather than the new one |
| 16:25.47 | foxlit | s/ a / the / |
| 16:25.49 | Kriseth | if you understand what I mean |
| 16:26.17 | Shirik | does your XML log say anything? |
| 16:26.29 | Kriseth | How do I access my XML Log? |
| 16:26.40 | foxlit | [There's nothing wrong with his XML file.] |
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| 16:27.04 | Shirik | foxlit: Can't hurt to look |
| 16:27.04 | foxlit | It's sufficiently short to verify that easily. Your XML log is in Logs/FrameXML.log |
| 16:27.21 | Shirik | Humans are very good at glossing over things they expect to be correct |
| 16:27.25 | Shirik | such as a misspelling |
| 16:27.31 | Shirik | like mispelling mispelling |
| 16:27.44 | Shirik | er, wait |
| 16:27.47 | Shirik | which one's right.. |
| 16:27.47 | Kriseth | haha |
| 16:27.48 | Kriseth | :P |
| 16:28.07 | Kriseth | Everything in .log is unrelated ot m addon |
| 16:28.09 | Kriseth | *to my addon |
| 16:28.18 | Kriseth | Although |
| 16:28.22 | Kriseth | In the savedvariables folder |
| 16:28.23 | Kriseth | TestGratz_State = "on" |
| 16:28.23 | Kriseth | TestGratz_Message = "Congratulations! #n" |
| 16:28.29 | Kriseth | Is in a file with the addon name |
| 16:28.58 | Shirik | unrelated? |
| 16:29.06 | Shirik | Isn't that log supposed to also say "parsing XML file..."? |
| 16:29.11 | foxlit | No. |
| 16:29.13 | Shirik | I mean, I don't use XML so I don't really know |
| 16:29.19 | Shirik | I thought it did :/ |
| 16:29.23 | foxlit | Unless there are errors, it's silent. |
| 16:29.28 | Shirik | ah |
| 16:29.53 | Kriseth | Is it possible due to the savedvariables? |
| 16:29.56 | Kriseth | *possibly |
| 16:30.03 | foxlit | Anyway, if using the original message after you changed it in your .lua file is your issue, than it's entirely SVs fault. |
| 16:30.05 | Shirik | Did you cut anything out of that lua file? |
| 16:30.23 | Kriseth | Yeha |
| 16:30.24 | Kriseth | Foxlit |
| 16:30.26 | Kriseth | that's the problem |
| 16:30.31 | Kriseth | How can I make it load on demand? |
| 16:30.41 | foxlit | They're applied after your addon loads, so once you've saved a value, it'll override what you set when your addon loads |
| 16:31.17 | Kriseth | But it hasn't been saving |
| 16:31.19 | Kriseth | that's the thing |
| 16:31.21 | Kriseth | Originally, it said |
| 16:31.27 | Kriseth | "Congratulations! #n" |
| 16:31.30 | Shirik | looks like it's been saving to me :/ |
| 16:31.38 | Shirik | also, why did you use #n? |
| 16:31.41 | Kriseth | But I have since changed the LUA to "Congratulations #n!" |
| 16:31.48 | Kriseth | So I could put the players name there |
| 16:31.52 | Shirik | Why not %s? |
| 16:32.05 | Shirik | Don't invent work for yourself :) |
| 16:32.24 | foxlit | Because "type %s for the player's name" is a senseless instruction :) |
| 16:32.25 | Shirik | If you use %s, string.format can take care of it for you' |
| 16:32.33 | Mikk | format("Congratulations %s!", UnitName("target")) |
| 16:32.35 | Shirik | oh that's user input? |
| 16:32.50 | Shirik | Then maybe change #n to %s behind-the-scenes and store it that way |
| 16:33.03 | foxlit | ^ That's inventing work for yourself :) |
| 16:33.15 | Shirik | Well I don't like #n in the first place :P |
| 16:33.24 | Shirik | Users aren't that stupid |
| 16:33.30 | Mikk | #n is as odd as %s is to users |
| 16:33.32 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 16:33.40 | foxlit | Meh. It has other issues. |
| 16:33.44 | Kriseth | at least #n is for name |
| 16:33.44 | Kriseth | ;P |
| 16:33.45 | Shirik | They don't need to know why for %s |
| 16:33.49 | Shirik | just that %s works |
| 16:33.52 | foxlit | "Well done #n. Let's congratulate #n, everyone!" |
| 16:34.00 | Shirik | %1$s |
| 16:34.04 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 16:34.07 | Thunder_Child | hmmm... Krka fails |
| 16:34.16 | Mikk | LUA |
| 16:34.19 | Kriseth | But yeah |
| 16:34.22 | Thunder_Child | he isnt here |
| 16:34.27 | foxlit | In short, we're probably not helping |
| 16:34.31 | Shirik | nope |
| 16:34.35 | Kriseth | Any suggestions about the whole not working off the newest lua file? |
| 16:34.36 | foxlit | Try http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions for an understanding of how to deal with SVs. |
| 16:34.51 | Shirik | Kriseth: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 16:34.55 | Kriseth | Ok |
| 16:34.56 | foxlit | SB1's version fails because he tries to use the function arguments where they aren't passed to the function. |
| 16:34.57 | Kriseth | Basically |
| 16:35.04 | foxlit | Your original should work better in that regard. |
| 16:35.05 | Kriseth | You install the addon |
| 16:35.13 | Kriseth | Someone get's an achievement in your guild |
| 16:35.21 | Kriseth | it congratulates them with the defualt message |
| 16:35.28 | Kriseth | (Congratulations! #n" |
| 16:35.31 | Kriseth | (Congratulations! #n) |
| 16:35.31 | Kriseth | * |
| 16:35.36 | Kriseth | So then you say |
| 16:35.40 | Kriseth | "Hmm, I want a different message" |
| 16:35.49 | Kriseth | SO you go into the .Lua file |
| 16:35.53 | Kriseth | and edit the third line |
| 16:35.59 | Kriseth | to "LOLWAT GRATZ #n" |
| 16:36.04 | Kriseth | Then reload your game |
| 16:36.10 | Kriseth | Yet it still uses the default message |
| 16:36.10 | Kriseth | of |
| 16:36.14 | Kriseth | (Congratulations! #n) |
| 16:36.14 | Shirik | wait wait, they're actually editing the Lua file itself? Then I see no problem with %1$s being used |
| 16:36.28 | Shirik | That being said, if it's going to be in the Lua file, why is it even a SV? |
| 16:36.42 | Shirik | what are you saving? |
| 16:36.47 | Kriseth | Well |
| 16:36.49 | Kriseth | Nothing |
| 16:36.55 | Shirik | so don't :P |
| 16:36.55 | Kriseth | Nothing is being saved |
| 16:37.10 | Kriseth | So just delete the entire line? |
| 16:37.10 | Kriseth | ## SavedVariables: TestGratz_State,TestGratz_Message |
| 16:37.21 | Shirik | It would make sense to save it if it's being changed from within the addon |
| 16:37.27 | Shirik | but if it involves modifying the code, there's no reason to save it |
| 16:38.14 | Kriseth | So delete that line |
| 16:38.25 | Kriseth | In the .toc |
| 16:38.27 | Kriseth | Right? |
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| 16:38.59 | foxlit | Right. |
| 16:39.16 | Aelobin | can an addon start an auction? i know you can o StartAuction() but is there a way to put the item into the sell tab? |
| 16:39.22 | Kriseth | So does that now mean ## LoadOnDemand: 0 should be 1 |
| 16:39.31 | Kriseth | Oh no |
| 16:39.32 | Kriseth | wait |
| 16:39.35 | Kriseth | My bad =/ |
| 16:39.36 | Shirik | sure, Aelobin |
| 16:39.46 | Shirik | not exactly sure how :P |
| 16:39.52 | Aelobin | i just made 42 netherweave bags and i'd rather not put them up 1 by 1 :p |
| 16:40.03 | Shirik | coughs "Auctioneer" |
| 16:40.09 | Kriseth | Use Igors mass auction |
| 16:40.11 | Aelobin | ClickAuctionSellItemButton() got it :P |
| 16:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Just look at the jerks who put 500 enchanting dust up, in units of.. 1 |
| 16:40.23 | Aelobin | i dont want an addon, just a macro for this 1 use :P |
| 16:40.44 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: What's wrong with that |
| 16:40.49 | Shirik | most people only buy a few |
| 16:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ... they're jerks! |
| 16:41.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:41.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Stacks of 5 are okay |
| 16:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 1 is not |
| 16:41.30 | Kriseth | So it should be ok now? |
| 16:41.57 | theorbtwo | shrugs. |
| 16:42.07 | theorbtwo | OTOH, I buy bags one at a time. |
| 16:42.12 | theorbtwo | Don't you? |
| 16:42.45 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: What if I need 13? |
| 16:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: then you buy a 10 and a 5, because there is no chance that those 13 will be the very last 13 you ever ever ever use |
| 16:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: and even if for some reason that was the case, there is someone who could use them |
| 16:43.29 | Shirik | could be! |
| 16:43.36 | Shirik | what if I need 11? |
| 16:43.43 | Shirik | You gonna make me buy FOUR MORE? |
| 16:43.44 | Shirik | omgz |
| 16:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure am! |
| 16:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Or |
| 16:43.52 | Shirik | lua> 11/15 |
| 16:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Ask your guild enchanter? |
| 16:43.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.73333333333333 |
| 16:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Or donate to their cause? |
| 16:44.03 | Shirik | that's less than 75% efficiency! |
| 16:44.12 | Shirik | I'm broke as it is already :( |
| 16:44.21 | Shirik | I literally ran out of gold in Ulduar this week |
| 16:44.22 | theorbtwo | I don't get what the problem is with putting more stacks on the auction house. |
| 16:44.24 | Shirik | had 6s left |
| 16:44.30 | theorbtwo | What, they're going to run out of space? |
| 16:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think that four dust is ever going to make or break anyone |
| 16:44.39 | nevcairiel | gold is so easy to get, its your own fault if you run broke |
| 16:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | If it does they should go do a daily |
| 16:44.46 | Shirik | nevcairiel: It's because I don't do dailies |
| 16:44.48 | Kriseth | Trouble is, I don't think the addon is even loading now |
| 16:44.51 | Shirik | let me go check my stats, it's pretty awesome |
| 16:44.51 | Kriseth | Chat isn't printing |
| 16:44.52 | Kriseth | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Everything seems to be working ok at the moment :ninja:") |
| 16:44.54 | Kriseth | On logon now |
| 16:45.33 | Shirik | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Drenden&cn=Kimina&gn=Requiem |
| 16:45.36 | Shirik | Daily quests completed: 172 |
| 16:45.42 | theorbtwo | nevcairiel: And I'm sure your clients love you when you tell them it's their own fault they're broke. |
| 16:46.24 | nevcairiel | i don't get that comparison |
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| 16:47.03 | Shirik | I totally agree with nevcairiel / ScytheBlade1 here |
| 16:47.06 | Shirik | it's totally my fault |
| 16:47.10 | Shirik | but I don't care :P |
| 16:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Given your work schedule, you get a pass |
| 16:47.34 | Shirik | 12 hour work days this week! whooo! |
| 16:47.46 | Shirik | and today I'm going out with a coworker to relax and take pictures :P |
| 16:48.07 | Kriseth | is that what they call it nowadays then, eh? :P |
| 16:48.17 | Shirik | ... sure |
| 16:51.34 | Shirik | wtf did I do to lightroom |
| 16:51.56 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: When I flag a picture, it's the picture that's flagged, not that instance in a collection, right? |
| 16:52.28 | Thunder_Child | uhh...do you mean relitive vs absolute? |
| 16:52.45 | Shirik | I mean |
| 16:52.49 | Shirik | I have the same picture in two collections |
| 16:52.55 | Thunder_Child | relative* |
| 16:52.59 | Shirik | I know it must be the same because it's cropped and touched up exactly the same |
| 16:53.05 | Shirik | however, one's marked flagged and one's not |
| 16:53.14 | Shirik | even the filename's the same |
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| 16:53.22 | Thunder_Child | even the extension? |
| 16:54.02 | Shirik | both cr2 |
| 16:54.19 | Cide | what would happen if you have over 9000 identical images? |
| 16:54.25 | Kaso | lol there independence day world event is happening on EU servers too for some reason |
| 16:54.55 | Shirik | Kaso: Because if it didn't people would qwestoq |
| 16:54.57 | Shirik | er |
| 16:54.58 | Shirik | qq |
| 16:55.15 | Kaso | slowfall and a 20stam buff? i can live without it |
| 16:55.20 | Cide | haha |
| 16:55.21 | nevcairiel | srsly |
| 16:55.25 | Cide | how did you get qq to qwestoq? |
| 16:55.29 | Shirik | tab :/ |
| 16:55.29 | Thunder_Child | wow...you managed to type ...^^ |
| 16:55.42 | Shirik | tab is right next to q and I hit both q and tab |
| 16:55.54 | Cide | tab is paste? |
| 16:55.59 | Shirik | tab is tab complete |
| 16:56.09 | Cide | ah |
| 16:56.13 | Cide | qwesto |
| 16:56.20 | Cide | what a stupid name |
| 16:56.27 | Shirik | mean :P |
| 16:56.48 | theorbtwo | How dare he have a q without a u! |
| 16:57.24 | Aelobin | lol my macro worked xD |
| 16:58.38 | Shirik | The file named 20090629-IMG_1058.CR2 is offline or missing |
| 16:58.41 | Shirik | ok now I see what's going on |
| 17:02.09 | Shirik | apparently I imported to the wrong location |
| 17:02.09 | Shirik | go me |
| 17:02.15 | Shirik | and then I formatted my computer |
| 17:02.17 | Shirik | yay for backups |
| 17:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, so, someone more familiar with win7 |
| 17:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Why should I switch from vista to 7? |
| 17:03.31 | Thunder_Child | less overhead? |
| 17:03.46 | Thunder_Child | niftier functions |
| 17:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Also infinitely less usable so far |
| 17:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | any way to revert the task bar to something more sane? |
| 17:04.10 | Thunder_Child | it is sane |
| 17:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | and painfully large |
| 17:04.34 | Thunder_Child | you can use small icons if thats what you mean |
| 17:04.47 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Yup |
| 17:04.53 | Shirik | I use the vista-style bar still |
| 17:05.01 | Shirik | And it's nicer because you can rearrange it |
| 17:05.05 | nevcairiel | you can just change the taskbar back to the previous layout |
| 17:05.06 | Shirik | which is something that's been needed forever |
| 17:05.11 | nevcairiel | except all the nice enhancements |
| 17:05.31 | nevcairiel | I like the sticky-icons on it, no need for a quick-launch-bar anymore |
| 17:05.34 | Shirik | yah |
| 17:05.36 | Shirik | that's nice too |
| 17:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate quick launch |
| 17:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Hate hate hate hate hate |
| 17:05.48 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: less usable? |
| 17:05.59 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Instead of quicklaunch, you now just "pin" things to your taskbar |
| 17:06.00 | Thunder_Child | i have sticky and a custom quick launch |
| 17:06.03 | nevcairiel | Good for you that those icons cannot be inserted by apps, just by the user itself |
| 17:06.13 | Cide | you can transform the new bar (which I love) into the old bar (mostly) |
| 17:06.17 | Shirik | so like they never leave your taskbar |
| 17:06.19 | Cide | and quick launch is infinitely more useful |
| 17:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no no. I hate quicklaunch. Pinning icons here ears equal distaste |
| 17:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | win+R forever |
| 17:06.23 | Cide | libraries are great |
| 17:06.26 | Shirik | so don't use it |
| 17:06.29 | Shirik | just saying, it's a lot nicer now |
| 17:06.40 | nevcairiel | I didnt really get into the library thing yet |
| 17:06.44 | nevcairiel | not sure what to use it for |
| 17:06.46 | Shirik | I don't really like libraries |
| 17:06.51 | Cide | why not? |
| 17:06.55 | Thunder_Child | speed > space imo |
| 17:06.58 | Shirik | because it really makes it extremely difficult to get to certain folders |
| 17:07.05 | Shirik | e.g., my user folder |
| 17:07.13 | nevcairiel | If i want to organize my movies, i do so on the disk |
| 17:07.14 | Shirik | you can't go to documents and then go one level up |
| 17:07.15 | nevcairiel | not in libraries |
| 17:07.31 | Cide | in the rc clicking start -> <user name> puts you to the use folder |
| 17:07.35 | Shirik | not for me |
| 17:07.39 | Shirik | it put me to the libraries root |
| 17:07.41 | Cide | then you're not running the rc |
| 17:07.46 | Shirik | I literally just upgraded |
| 17:07.47 | Thunder_Child | though i do have one issue so far. my 'all programs' section of the start bar is missing |
| 17:07.49 | Cide | they changed that for the rc |
| 17:08.02 | Shirik | oh you're right |
| 17:08.07 | Thunder_Child | s/bar/menu/ |
| 17:08.08 | Shirik | I guess I was remembering beta |
| 17:08.39 | Shirik | ... that's |
| 17:08.40 | Shirik | bad |
| 17:08.44 | Shirik | I don't really use that anyway though |
| 17:08.47 | Shirik | I just type names of apps now |
| 17:08.51 | Shirik | I hate the mouse |
| 17:08.55 | ScytheBlade1 | do they let you control always on top/always on bottom yet? |
| 17:08.59 | Thunder_Child | which doesnt show up if you have nothing there |
| 17:09.38 | Thunder_Child | oh..nvm i guess it does |
| 17:09.42 | Cide | anyway, libraries are nice |
| 17:09.47 | Cide | for content aggregation |
| 17:09.58 | Cide | if you have everything in one folder it's of limited usefulness |
| 17:10.17 | Cide | but it still provides good ways of displaying the content (by type, folder, etc) |
| 17:10.25 | Cide | not sure if folders do that, don't think so |
| 17:10.40 | Thunder_Child | i started using 'everything' to run/find/etc. its the best search program i have ever used http://www.voidtools.com/ |
| 17:10.56 | Cide | or you could just hit the windows key and type it and enter |
| 17:10.59 | Cide | no reason to get a program |
| 17:11.08 | nevcairiel | thats what i do |
| 17:11.09 | nevcairiel | i love that |
| 17:11.12 | nevcairiel | just type in the name |
| 17:11.15 | Cide | yep |
| 17:11.17 | nevcairiel | way faster then navigating |
| 17:11.29 | Thunder_Child | Cide, they still can not remember to keep the folder style the same |
| 17:11.37 | Cide | hm? |
| 17:11.39 | Cide | libraries? |
| 17:11.40 | Thunder_Child | damn things still randomly change on me |
| 17:11.46 | Thunder_Child | folder layouts |
| 17:11.46 | nevcairiel | I didn't reallyh ave issues with that on 7 |
| 17:11.50 | nevcairiel | was silly buggy on vista |
| 17:11.52 | Cide | they preserve folder ordering if you want them to |
| 17:11.52 | nevcairiel | but 7 was fine |
| 17:12.02 | Thunder_Child | no. they. do. not. |
| 17:12.07 | Cide | /shrug |
| 17:12.14 | Cide | I don't use folders for anything really |
| 17:12.25 | Cide | either it's in a library or it's a program, in which case the start menu find finds it for me |
| 17:12.32 | nevcairiel | On Vista i turned that off, and had everything be a default folder, because it bugged so much |
| 17:12.36 | nevcairiel | on 7 i never noticed a problem |
| 17:12.51 | Cide | yep |
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| 17:14.25 | Thunder_Child | what exactly is the point of the library? |
| 17:14.36 | nevcairiel | organizing stuff |
| 17:14.46 | nevcairiel | without moving it on the hard drive |
| 17:14.54 | Thunder_Child | it's already organized |
| 17:14.59 | nevcairiel | see, thats what i said |
| 17:14.59 | Thunder_Child | any other reason? |
| 17:15.04 | nevcairiel | so i dont use it |
| 17:15.05 | Thunder_Child | no, i mean my stuff |
| 17:15.17 | nevcairiel | i knoew |
| 17:15.24 | Thunder_Child | oh, up there |
| 17:18.52 | nevcairiel | Anyway, i want the RTM and hope they fixed some of those UI annoyances i noticed |
| 17:22.12 | Cruciformer | I wonder if they will release the RTM version on MSDN like they did with vista |
| 17:22.43 | Shirik | woot woot |
| 17:22.48 | nevcairiel | I hope they release it on MSDNAA earlier then the GA date |
| 17:22.48 | Shirik | Lightroom is victorious again |
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| 17:25.53 | Shirik | they always do Cruciformer |
| 17:25.57 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, would you happen to know why netbeans might think a jar file does not exist? esp. when i launch it from said jar file |
| 17:25.59 | Shirik | that's the purpose of MSDN |
| 17:26.18 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Where are you seeing this? |
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| 17:27.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, on my computer? |
| 17:27.12 | Shirik | .. at what screen :/ |
| 17:27.58 | Thunder_Child | at launch |
| 17:32.45 | Aelobin | Thunder_Child: i hate netbeans :'( |
| 17:33.06 | Aelobin | couldn't get speech synthesis to work in it |
| 17:33.31 | Shirik | I honestly am not sure what you're talking about Thunder_Child |
| 17:33.38 | Shirik | and Aelobin, Netbeans hates you too |
| 17:33.47 | Aelobin | xD |
| 17:34.08 | Cruciformer | i prefer baked beans in a BBQ sauce |
| 17:34.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, rclick on .jar file...netbeans loading...then the error, such and such .jar file does not exist |
| 17:34.44 | Shirik | what jar? |
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| 17:35.01 | Jamash | g'morning eveybody |
| 17:35.07 | Thunder_Child | what do you mean what jar? |
| 17:35.07 | Cruciformer | morning |
| 17:35.19 | Jamash | it's my birthday (observed)! |
| 17:35.21 | Thunder_Child | does it matter? |
| 17:35.47 | Cruciformer | happy birhday america ... I mean Jamesh |
| 17:35.53 | Ackis | happy 4th of july you americans! |
| 17:35.53 | Jamash | thanks! |
| 17:36.38 | Ackis | if you're american and do not support terrorism you'll click http://ackis.myminicity.com/env hahah :D |
| 17:37.16 | Jamash | KEYLOGGER |
| 17:37.44 | Cruciformer | what if you do support terrorism? |
| 17:38.09 | Ackis | click it anyways! |
| 17:39.21 | Ackis | aww no one clicked :( |
| 17:40.16 | Cruciformer | im busy watching ROFLMAO again coz it makes me laugh |
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| 17:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, as much as I want to try the icons, the height of the task bar bugs me |
| 17:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | How can I reset it to the previous style? |
| 17:51.29 | Thunder_Child | /wrists |
| 17:51.57 | Thunder_Child | why dont you use small icons, then it will be shorter |
| 17:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, that did it |
| 17:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Much much better |
| 17:54.57 | Hirsute-Home | Hey ScytheBlade1: Remember my computer problems I was whining about the other day, guess what? |
| 17:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 17:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | And what? |
| 17:55.32 | Hirsute-Home | So, while yes, there were processor problems (and it turns out video card problems, as well), they were caused by... wait for it..... |
| 17:55.37 | Hirsute-Home | Power Supply problems. |
| 17:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:55.39 | Hirsute-Home | -_- |
| 17:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a quality 440W PSU here if you need one |
| 17:56.06 | Hirsute-Home | Never will I go for the cheapy PS again. |
| 17:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That's probably the one thing I'll never skimp out on |
| 17:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | A biiiit too important |
| 17:56.37 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:56.39 | Thunder_Child | thats what research is for |
| 17:56.42 | Fisker | i want to set the world on fire :( |
| 17:56.42 | Hirsute-Home | Good to know. I actually need a little more juice than that, and found a decent deal (not skimping, but decent deal) on a 750 watt, modular power supply |
| 17:56.50 | Thunder_Child | PC P&C = win |
| 17:56.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Modular is very nice |
| 17:56.59 | Hirsute-Home | It really is. |
| 17:57.04 | Thunder_Child | but it wastes some power |
| 17:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a 6xx in here, I think 650W modular |
| 17:57.10 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: still need to figure out where? |
| 17:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: found it, but thanks |
| 17:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: also, it defaulted the text size to 125% of normal, which is why I was hating, HATING life |
| 17:57.44 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 17:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Having now reset that to 100%, I have a 1680x1050 display back |
| 17:57.57 | Hirsute-Home | Now the OS is having issues (I think some of the driver changes didn't work out so well), so I'm backing up necessary programs and getting ready to reinstall. |
| 17:58.14 | Hirsute-Home | ScytheBlade1: Win7? |
| 17:58.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Home: aye |
| 17:58.50 | Hirsute-Home | I'm quickly learning to love Win7. Vista never really did it for me, but Win7 is very nice. |
| 17:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I really rather like vista |
| 17:59.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I was hating life with win7 until I saw the text size, though |
| 17:59.45 | Shirik | :/ |
| 17:59.53 | Shirik | I've come across a picture that I took |
| 18:00.02 | Shirik | looking at it and can't figure out a single thing I want to touch up in it |
| 18:00.10 | Shirik | contrast is awesome, light levels are awesome |
| 18:00.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:00.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, who knows how I can make it lock the screen when I shut the laptop lid? |
| 18:02.19 | Shirik | Push Windows+L before shutting it |
| 18:02.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, got it |
| 18:02.36 | Shirik | and little bumps to your screen so that when you close it, windows L is pushed by the screen |
| 18:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | it's in power options |
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| 18:02.56 | Shirik | I personally think my solution is better |
| 18:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | As that is your solution, I'd imagine so |
| 18:03.35 | Hirsute-Home | ScytheBlade1: I don't *hate* vista, but there were enough frustrations with it that I preferred XP for most things. 7 seems to have eliminated most of those issues, and I'm finding I solidly prefer to use Windows7. |
| 18:03.38 | Shirik | I espeecially like the latter |
| 18:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Home: what frustrations? I'm curious |
| 18:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh bah, it wasn't what I thought |
| 18:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: your option is looking like the only option |
| 18:04.42 | Shirik | well here's the trick |
| 18:04.50 | Shirik | it has to be clear so you can still see the screen |
| 18:05.02 | Hirsute-Home | ScytheBlade1: It was a resource hog on my laptop, big time, which Win7 seems to be significantly better about. UAC was in super-hyper-government's-going-to-implant-mind-control-chips-in-my-head paraoia mode in Vista, and it's toned down a bit to maybe-aliens-experiment-on-cows level for 7, etc. |
| 18:05.12 | Shirik | but that means it has to be a lens to counteract the distortion that would occur |
| 18:05.19 | Bruners | put the screensaver to 5 minutes and make it lock ? |
| 18:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Home: first thing I did with 7 is turn UAC all the way up ;) |
| 18:05.29 | Shirik | Same |
| 18:05.33 | Shirik | UAC is a good thing |
| 18:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Bruners: close, but still not the same thing. I already have that in place |
| 18:05.49 | Bruners | you put it all the way up? |
| 18:05.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I sure do |
| 18:05.56 | Bruners | i put it one step down |
| 18:06.26 | Hirsute-Home | Shirik: Aye, it is a good thing, but I found myself consistently disliking some of the things it got paranoid about, so being able to turn it down a *little* was nice. I don't turn it off, but it was, in my opinion, a bit excessive in Vista. |
| 18:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That opens you to the UAC process elevation "exploit" that shall remain unfixed as it is not a abug |
| 18:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | *a bug |
| 18:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Basically, with the slider down a notch, any MS signed binary can do anything it pleases without triggering a UAC prompt |
| 18:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | You also have full access to said programs, ie, notepad.. |
| 18:07.26 | Shirik | time to find a buffer overflow exploit in notepad |
| 18:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | So given notepad, you can launch a full command prompt running as the SYSTEM user without triggering a UAC prompt |
| 18:07.31 | ScytheBlade1 | No need |
| 18:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Documented API calls is all that is needed |
| 18:07.57 | Shirik | oh I see |
| 18:08.01 | Hirsute-Home | Okay folks, backup is complete, time for me to reinstall windows. *wave* |
| 18:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | pats his max level UAC setting |
| 18:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute-Home: good luck |
| 18:08.15 | Shirik | Hirsute-Home: Did you back up first |
| 18:08.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:08.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:08.28 | Shirik | nm :( |
| 18:08.36 | Hirsute-Home | heh |
| 18:09.23 | Hirsute-Home | Yes, I'm not too worried. I've got a full backup, including system state, so I can just restore to where I was before in case of disaster, and I've also got backups of important data to make sure my data is intact after the reinstall. Here's to looking for some improved performance. |
| 18:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | With a stable PSU ;) |
| 18:09.45 | Hirsute-Home | Yes |
| 18:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090204/second-windows-7-uac-flaw-malware-self-elevate/ |
| 18:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: really easy example: rundll is signed and hence autoelevated |
| 18:11.56 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 18:11.59 | Shirik | That's a horrible design |
| 18:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you got it |
| 18:12.15 | Shirik | I don't know, I would go far enough to say that's a bug |
| 18:12.19 | Shirik | because that's what rundll is designed to do |
| 18:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 18:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 18:12.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But.. |
| 18:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 18:12.38 | Shirik | rundll should use impersonation |
| 18:13.07 | Shirik | can dlls be signed? I think so |
| 18:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | They can be |
| 18:13.29 | Shirik | it should check for a microsoft signature before proceeding with privileges |
| 18:13.36 | Shirik | i.e., it will need its own security checks |
| 18:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | In which case you can just use notepad |
| 18:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | rundll is just a bit more convinent |
| 18:13.53 | ccox|sleep | Windows UAC flaws: otherwise known as fish in a barrel |
| 18:14.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me see if I can find the app |
| 18:14.24 | Shirik | It's not a flaw if you use UAC correctly |
| 18:14.31 | Shirik | the flaw is in users' perception of security |
| 18:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090611/uac-in-windows-7-still-broken-microsoft-wont-fix-code-injection-vulnerability/ |
| 18:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Check out the screenshot |
| 18:15.53 | Shirik | you can use WriteProcessMemory? You shouldn't be able to |
| 18:16.09 | Arrowmaster | some ms devs have said that UAC is nolonger a security feature because its impossible to make it secure |
| 18:16.12 | Shirik | oh right, he used rundll to elevate the "debugger" |
| 18:16.20 | ccox | Shirik - name one non-programmer who uses UAC "correctly" |
| 18:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.html#release have at the source |
| 18:16.28 | Thunder_Child | <- |
| 18:16.32 | Shirik | ccox: Hence my second statement :) |
| 18:16.56 | Shirik | users want to know nothing and to be secure |
| 18:16.56 | Shirik | these are mutually exclusive |
| 18:17.03 | Shirik | except if you turn off the computer |
| 18:17.13 | ccox | ah, users think Windows CAN be secure - therein lies the flaw |
| 18:17.35 | Shirik | it is impossible for windows to be secure without help from the user |
| 18:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It can be |
| 18:17.40 | Shirik | but the users do not want to supply that help |
| 18:17.54 | Shirik | windows can do the best it can on its own, but it's impossible to get everything |
| 18:17.56 | ccox | Scythe - unplugged from the net, never installing new software or sharing media |
| 18:17.58 | Arrowmaster | the ms devs said the only way to be secure is to use a non admin user account and fast user switching to switch to an admin account when you want to do something that needs admin rights |
| 18:18.23 | Shirik | that would be essentially the same as UAC at its maximum level |
| 18:18.24 | ccox | Arrowmaster: that's nice, but they have too many necessary APIs that require admin privledges |
| 18:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: viruses propogated with the internet before. also, using that same thinking, the same can be said of ANY OS. |
| 18:18.48 | Shirik | also, Arrowmaster, did you see what I said about your power consumption last night? |
| 18:18.50 | ccox | ScytheBlade1: that's why I said no shared media (floppy, DVD, USB key, etc) |
| 18:18.56 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: no |
| 18:19.01 | ScytheBlade1 | remembers installing a very old version of norton provided on floppy disks to remove NYB |
| 18:19.16 | Shirik | You were pulling 850 VA. That's not that bad. It's a little high for a 400W PSU but it's not way off the mark |
| 18:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: then maybe, sure, as long as you make that statement OS neutral I'd agree with it |
| 18:19.21 | Shirik | depends on how old it is |
| 18:19.29 | Shirik | That being said, I'd like to know how you measured it |
| 18:19.33 | Shirik | just out of curiosity |
| 18:19.39 | Arrowmaster | i have a 650watt psu |
| 18:19.42 | Shirik | was it a device that goes on the outside of the wire? |
| 18:19.51 | Shirik | Then 850 VA seems pretty typical |
| 18:19.57 | ccox | ScytheBlade1: true, that could apply to any OS. It just seems Windows has more ignored flaws than it should. |
| 18:20.03 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yes |
| 18:20.10 | ccox | ScytheBlade1: and more users assuming that they are secure |
| 18:20.10 | Shirik | Those things are cool :) |
| 18:20.13 | Shirik | I always wanted to get one |
| 18:20.27 | Shirik | it measures the flux caused by AC current |
| 18:20.33 | Shirik | so it doesn't have to touch the wire at all |
| 18:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: I've always found it funny how nearly EVERY ubuntu "tutorial" has people using sudo every other line. And people call UAC insecure? Heh. |
| 18:20.59 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://www.idealindustries.co.uk/index.cfm?pid=9&articleid=4045 |
| 18:21.03 | ccox | I never said Linux users were bright |
| 18:21.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: the 61-768 |
| 18:21.18 | Shirik | yeah they're fun |
| 18:21.21 | ccox | ScytheBlade1: but overall, they seem to understand the problems better than Windows users |
| 18:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I never said windows users were bright either |
| 18:21.25 | aesir | Would be great to get developers to write an install routine that doesn't require admin. |
| 18:21.31 | Shirik | My multimeter can handle up to 30A which is all I really need |
| 18:21.40 | Shirik | but it does interrupt the circuit |
| 18:21.43 | Shirik | which can be bad |
| 18:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: if that's true, it is for ONE and ONE reason alone - they have a desire to use their computer and not fight it, and maybe to learn something as to how it works. Likewise, they'd proably understand windows problems just as well |
| 18:22.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah this is my uncles multimeter and hes a high voltage electician |
| 18:22.42 | ccox | ScytheBlade1: true, because using Linux still requires more knowledge about the guts of it than using Windows |
| 18:22.44 | Aqua | most multimeters interrupt the circuit to do it |
| 18:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence, it's the user, not the OS |
| 18:23.12 | Shirik | Sorry, 10A actually |
| 18:23.14 | Shirik | http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/Fluke+289.htm |
| 18:23.15 | Shirik | That's mine |
| 18:23.44 | Shirik | But since I deal mostly with electronics, if I'm pulling more than 10A there's probably something wrong. |
| 18:23.58 | Shirik | in fact, if I'm pulling more than 10A, I probably will know before I put the meter on |
| 18:24.18 | ccox | ScytheBlade1: somewhat, because Linux users are selfselecting - if they didn't know more about the guts of the OS, they couldn't use Linux |
| 18:26.15 | Cruciformer | I dunno about that. I personally give linux to little old ladies that just wanna webmail little johnny in college. Autoboots into X and firefox. that way they never get viruses and I only have to visit them once. |
| 18:27.23 | ccox | At that point they're just using a dumbterminal. And if anything goes wrong, if they want to do anything more - they're stuck. |
| 18:27.45 | Cruciformer | yup its pretty much an xterminal |
| 18:27.58 | ccox | That's almost crossed the line to being an embedded system. |
| 18:27.59 | Cruciformer | which is perfect. very little CAN go worng and if it does I can ssh in and fix it. |
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| 18:28.33 | ccox | And I'm pretty sure that's a minority of Linux desktop users (who are already a minority) |
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| 18:40.41 | Iriel | Anyone else here tried Aion? |
| 18:42.15 | nevcairiel | I would if i had free beta access =p |
| 18:42.25 | Iriel | $5 pre-order FTW |
| 18:43.12 | Arrowmaster | i was looking at it months ago but i still havent built a new computer and doubt i could run it |
| 18:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | What is it? |
| 18:43.34 | Iriel | NCSoft's latest MMO |
| 18:43.34 | nevcairiel | some fantasy mmo |
| 18:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 18:43.52 | Iriel | If's feeling kind of like guild wars grown up |
| 18:44.19 | Arrowmaster | guild wars without the extremely heavy favoritism towards pvp? |
| 18:44.32 | Shirik | I think one of my pictures has a flying saucer in it |
| 18:44.49 | Iriel | I'm not sure from an end-game gameplay perspective |
| 18:44.57 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 18:44.57 | purl | overclocks Shirik until Shirik burns out |
| 18:45.04 | Iriel | I mean more in terms of the graphics engine and general usability |
| 18:45.42 | Arrowmaster | right, i havent heard much about aion endgame either |
| 18:45.45 | Iriel | It works surprisingly well with the stereo 3d stuff |
| 18:45.59 | Iriel | UI notwithstanding (since that's at an awkward layer) |
| 18:46.23 | Arrowmaster | can you customize the ui? |
| 18:46.45 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/327a6384690089433592f65d22da2919.png |
| 18:46.47 | Shirik | ^ Flying saucer |
| 18:47.32 | Thunder_Child | in the middle of a rock? |
| 18:47.42 | Shirik | it obviously landed in a very secluded area |
| 18:47.48 | Thunder_Child | it's prolly a cove hazard light |
| 18:48.00 | Shirik | I think it's a car actually |
| 18:48.02 | Shirik | there's a road there |
| 18:48.06 | Shirik | the hazard lights are all red |
| 18:48.34 | Thunder_Child | that looks more like a cave than a road |
| 18:48.54 | Iriel | Are those trees, or rocks? |
| 18:49.04 | Shirik | I believe they're trees |
| 18:51.16 | ccox | retroreflector of some kind, or a car/motorcycle - hard to tell with all those JPEG artifacts (but it's supposed to be a CR2 - WTF) |
| 18:51.36 | Shirik | uh |
| 18:51.43 | Shirik | I'm zoomed in extremely far |
| 18:51.52 | Shirik | even 23 MP has a limit |
| 18:52.33 | ccox | even then, those look like JPEG, not de-bayer interpolation artifacts |
| 18:52.53 | Shirik | it may also be lightroom's rendering |
| 18:53.00 | ccox | and the green spot is too big for a stuck pixel |
| 18:53.15 | Shirik | lightroom tries to do rendering very efficiently |
| 18:53.44 | ccox | yes, but it only gives JPEG artifacts when viewing the preview, then updates to RAW data quickly |
| 18:54.08 | ccox | you shouldn't be seeing DCT blocks like that |
| 18:55.17 | Shirik | I still side on the fact that I'm zoomed in way too far |
| 18:55.48 | ccox | ok |
| 18:56.00 | ccox | without the original CR2 to examine, I can't make any further guesses |
| 18:56.52 | Shirik | I mean, a CCD just boils down to a bunch of sensors. Each sensor can only give one value |
| 18:57.03 | Shirik | at some point you're going to see that result |
| 18:58.43 | zenzelezz | did you leave it in the liquid for too long? |
| 18:59.21 | Shirik | huh? |
| 18:59.40 | zenzelezz | lightroom, darkroom, old way of developing pictures |
| 18:59.44 | ccox | no debayered image should show artifacts that are 8x8 and 16x16 grouped showing clear DCT coefficient truncation |
| 19:00.06 | ccox | and that image does show 8x8 blocks and distinct DCT coefficient truncation |
| 19:00.33 | ccox | zenzelezz: oh, he just left some dust on the negative, that explains it |
| 19:00.39 | ccox | :-) |
| 19:00.45 | zenzelezz | good point! |
| 19:02.51 | ccox | let's see: zoomed in to 300%, the green circle is about 12 pixels across FWHM - still too big for a de-bayer artifact, even with JPEG losses |
| 19:02.55 | Mikk | ccox: i doesnt look jpeggy to me |
| 19:03.26 | ccox | Mikk: look at the blocks below the green spot or to the left: 8x8 |
| 19:03.53 | zenzelezz | those aren't artifacts, they're just nature running on low resolution |
| 19:04.07 | ccox | Mikk: above the green spot, towards the top shows DCT truncation |
| 19:04.09 | Mikk | mmmyeah you're right, those are 8x8 blocks |
| 19:04.28 | Mikk | i was concentrating on the lighter regions too much :< |
| 19:04.34 | ccox | zenzelezz: this is only zoomed into 300%, non-interpolated |
| 19:04.54 | nevcairiel | from the image size, it looks more then 300% imho |
| 19:05.16 | Mikk | so er why does a cr2 have jpeg artifacts |
| 19:05.19 | Mikk | "light compression" enabled? |
| 19:05.31 | ccox | I measured the pixel squares (3x3) |
| 19:05.32 | Iriel | LR uses jpeg previews |
| 19:06.02 | ccox | onscreen, the 8x8 blocks are really 24x24 |
| 19:06.06 | zenzelezz | one thing that's occured to me about digital cameras is that they seem to do JPEG (both quality and compression) better than (average) software, always boggles me |
| 19:06.10 | Iriel | It's not intended to be a pixel editor |
| 19:07.31 | ccox | Iriel - either LR isn't replacing the JPEG preview with an accurate render, or you have to go into Develop to get the accurate version |
| 19:07.57 | Iriel | I wonder what shirik has his preview quality set too, aslso |
| 19:08.05 | Shirik | I have no idea how to change that |
| 19:08.14 | Mikk | Most raw formats do not use compression or implement light lossless data compression to reduce the size of the files without affecting image quality. But some others use lossy data compression where quantization and filtering is performed on the image data[13][14]. Many recent cameras let photographers choose between no compression, lossless compression or lossy compression for their raw images. |
| 19:08.20 | Mikk | (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.CR2_file_format) |
| 19:08.24 | ccox | I bet if you go into Develop and recover some shadows, you'll see a Jeep sitting there |
| 19:08.53 | ccox | CR2 is (so far) lossless compression of RAW sensor data |
| 19:09.09 | Shirik | ccox: 3x3? |
| 19:09.12 | Shirik | That sounds about right |
| 19:09.15 | Mikk | ah doh the article redirects to a generic article about raws |
| 19:09.18 | Shirik | So you're hitting the pixel limit of my camera |
| 19:09.20 | Iriel | If he was to EXPORT the image from LR, as a lossless format |
| 19:09.31 | Shirik | I was zoomed in at 3x full size |
| 19:09.34 | Iriel | You wouldn't see any jpeg artifacts |
| 19:09.42 | ccox | Shirik: right |
| 19:10.29 | Shirik | I just think its' a combination of poor lighting and ISO 400 |
| 19:10.30 | ccox | (if you run shadow & highlight on that screenshot, the JPEG artifacts jump out at you) |
| 19:10.45 | Shirik | that picture has already been significantly pulled up |
| 19:10.48 | Iriel | Right, but why would you? |
| 19:10.58 | Iriel | If you changed the settings in LR, it would create a new jpeg |
| 19:11.02 | Iriel | and then show that, zoomed |
| 19:11.19 | ccox | I think LR may only show a JPEG preview in Library mode, and you have to go to Develop to see an accurate version |
| 19:11.39 | Shirik | I think the thing you're missing is what you're complaining about is something that is only a couple millimeters wide |
| 19:11.43 | Shirik | if that |
| 19:12.10 | ccox | Shrik - yeah, it's small, but it's something real in the image, not an artifact |
| 19:12.29 | ccox | Shirik: 12 pixels across is too big for a de-bayer problem (stuck pixel) or a JPEG artifact |
| 19:12.42 | Shirik | oh you're talking about the light? |
| 19:12.53 | Shirik | I thought you're talking about the blockiness :/ |
| 19:13.00 | Shirik | now I'm on the same page as you |
| 19:13.13 | Shirik | Yes I'm fairly certain there's a car there or something |
| 19:13.15 | ccox | Shirik: the blockiness tells us that we're not looking at the best reendering of that image |
| 19:14.07 | Shirik | p.s. I see what you're talking about |
| 19:14.16 | Shirik | when moving to the library module the quality does in fact drop |
| 19:14.21 | Shirik | compared to the develop module |
| 19:14.37 | Shirik | significantly |
| 19:14.40 | ccox | yep, just tried that myself on some of my 1DsII images |
| 19:15.03 | Shirik | anyway, I better not have any stuck pixels :P |
| 19:15.08 | Shirik | It's only like 3 weeks old |
| 19:15.33 | ccox | most cameras have some stuck or hot pixels - the software just maps them out |
| 19:16.37 | Shirik | well fine |
| 19:16.39 | Shirik | I better not see them |
| 19:17.07 | ccox | keep shooting landscapes, and you won't |
| 19:17.46 | Shirik | that's mostly what I shoot :P |
| 19:17.49 | ccox | just don't try astrophotography |
| 19:18.11 | ccox | I do wildlife - and every once in a while I get an artifact from a dead pixel where I don't want it |
| 19:18.15 | Shirik | landscapes/waterscapes/flowers |
| 19:18.36 | ccox | but more often I get artifacts from dust |
| 19:18.48 | Iriel | Interesting |
| 19:18.50 | ccox | (and the occasional bird poop on the lens) |
| 19:18.56 | Iriel | So, I just did some experiements with some NEF images |
| 19:19.00 | ccox | (seagulls are mean) |
| 19:19.10 | Iriel | I see *NO* difference between library and preview (once the large preview has rendered in library) |
| 19:19.22 | Iriel | I also see no jpeg artifacts on my zoomed large preview |
| 19:19.33 | Shirik | what version are you on? |
| 19:19.42 | Iriel | 2.4 |
| 19:19.45 | Cruciformer | http://keanjohnston.com/spotty.jpg thats how much "noise" I get taking a photo withthe lens cap on ... its depressing |
| 19:19.45 | Shirik | I'm on 2.3 |
| 19:19.49 | Shirik | maybe they changed something? |
| 19:19.55 | Iriel | it could be a difference in the raw handler |
| 19:20.19 | Shirik | does anyone have a good way of viewing EXIF data on a jpeg you get from, say, Cruciformer? |
| 19:20.21 | Iriel | I hate dust, it's the nastiest problem for digitals |
| 19:20.34 | Iriel | metacam? |
| 19:20.36 | ccox | Cruciformer: yeah, that's the sort of stuff you have to deal with in astrophotography |
| 19:20.38 | Iriel | (command line util) |
| 19:20.45 | Cruciformer | I hope LR preserved the exif data for that jpg |
| 19:21.12 | ccox | Cruciformer: in normal photography most of that will be minor noise, in astro you take long exposures and the minor stuff shows |
| 19:21.16 | Shirik | I don't see a problem with that |
| 19:21.18 | Shirik | you get more stars |
| 19:21.22 | Shirik | = win |
| 19:21.30 | Cruciformer | heh |
| 19:21.40 | Iriel | Astro folks typically take tons of calibration shots |
| 19:21.56 | Iriel | and use tricks to compensate for patterned noise |
| 19:22.01 | Cruciformer | ccox: This was a pre-astro field test shot. I am fighting with canon to get it sorted out. |
| 19:22.31 | ccox | 1DSMk3 - yep, some EXIF and other bits are there, including a bunch of blank astro related fields |
| 19:22.42 | Iriel | I need to try astrophotography again, now I have software that can sort of do tethered shooting |
| 19:23.11 | Shirik | Iriel: You find that useful? |
| 19:23.12 | ccox | for a 16s shot, that is a bit too much |
| 19:23.32 | ccox | Iriel: yep, lots of tricks, lots of specialized software |
| 19:24.01 | Iriel | Well, the problem with shooting through a telescope is focus |
| 19:24.04 | Iriel | I can't do it visually |
| 19:24.07 | Shirik | I want to get a GPS for my camera, but the only one Canon makes requires you get the Wifi thing too |
| 19:24.14 | Iriel | and it's very hard to do on the LCD when the scope is pointed up |
| 19:24.42 | Cruciformer | I have the wifi thing and bought a garmin for geotagging only to discover that model isnt supported. |
| 19:24.51 | Cruciformer | Gotta get the bigger model garmins |
| 19:25.05 | ccox | FPN and amp glow aren't that bad |
| 19:25.44 | Shirik | ok ow |
| 19:25.45 | ccox | Iriel - use a focus shield/bars - you use focus artifacts to get best focus, then take it off the front of the scope |
| 19:25.47 | Shirik | my laptop is black |
| 19:25.48 | Cruciformer | I am supposed to be able to do "remote" tethering using the WFT but I cannot get the camera and my PC or laptop to "pair" |
| 19:25.51 | Shirik | and I'm sitting outside because it's warm |
| 19:25.57 | Shirik | but my touchpad is getting way too hot |
| 19:26.07 | Iriel | Oh, by the way, here's how Aperture betrayed me |
| 19:26.17 | Iriel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/BadApertureExport.jpg |
| 19:26.33 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 19:26.44 | Iriel | Compare http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/ApertureImageGrab.jpg |
| 19:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That's tricky |
| 19:26.54 | Shirik | is that two images together? |
| 19:27.02 | Iriel | Those are the same image |
| 19:27.09 | Shirik | why did it do that :/ |
| 19:27.22 | Iriel | Because they have a bug in their Jpeg exporter |
| 19:27.24 | Cruciformer | anyone else using canon's wft thingy? If you got pairing to work Id love to know how. |
| 19:27.47 | Iriel | The grab is a screengrab of the image from the UI |
| 19:27.54 | Iriel | the export is what it produces as a JPEG file |
| 19:27.54 | Shirik | that's a pretty significant bug |
| 19:28.01 | Iriel | It wasn't fixed as of 2.1 |
| 19:28.05 | Iriel | but I haven't tested again lately |
| 19:28.22 | Iriel | yeah, apple emailed me a day after I posted it on the forum, and I sent them the raw |
| 19:29.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:29.52 | Shirik | 7 photos to upload |
| 19:30.02 | Shirik | and the only thing stopping me is the fact that I can't come up with names for them |
| 19:31.22 | Shirik | o.O |
| 19:31.29 | Shirik | Lightroom: Metadata status: Conflict detected |
| 19:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid windows, can't partition flash drives |
| 19:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | jerks |
| 19:32.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:32.41 | Shirik | do you have any idea how confused users would get by such a capability? |
| 19:32.50 | Shirik | many of them have trouble realizing that they can have their hard drive split in two |
| 19:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to shove my various keypairs onto a "bitlocker to go" partition on my flash drive |
| 19:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (This USB drive is only ever connected/used with windows machines) |
| 19:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But I have to reboot into linux to even partition it that way |
| 19:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | even the disk management service won't let me partition it |
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| 19:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
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| 19:37.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It can't handle flash drives with more than one partition, period |
| 19:37.41 | Shirik|Ghost | ok, the quality of the connection out here is really bad |
| 19:38.14 | ccox | time to think of something else: like a mountable disk image saved on the flash drive |
| 19:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't the most windows compatible thing in the world |
| 19:38.43 | ccox | neither are partitioned flash drives |
| 19:38.54 | ccox | but you need something that works |
| 19:38.55 | Shirik|Ghost | adjust the firmware on the flash drive so that it reports itself as an external hard drive |
| 19:39.04 | Shirik|Ghost | in fact, I don't know why Windows doesn't consider them identical already |
| 19:39.31 | ccox | shirik - or combine multiple flash drives on a single USB stick - can be done, but not by most people |
| 19:41.14 | Shirik|Ghost | ns ghost Shirik |
| 19:41.24 | Shirik | Shirik is not online |
| 19:41.25 | Shirik | I win |
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| 19:41.52 | Shirik | why does my login script auto-ghost the nick and then not switch to it :/ |
| 19:42.10 | Iriel | Because you wrote it wrong? |
| 19:42.24 | Shirik | I didn't write it |
| 19:42.29 | Corrodias | maybe it forgets to pause long enough for nickserv to actually remove the ghost |
| 19:43.40 | Thunder_Child | wtb char logon screen reordering |
| 19:44.03 | mikma | Crit or AP trinket for DK? :P |
| 19:44.07 | mikma | 25 marks from WG |
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| 19:48.23 | Iriel | hehe - i found one of my 'i hate focus' pictures - http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/bad_saturn.jpg |
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| 19:56.33 | Cruciformer | Iriel: Is that out of focus? Looks fine to me :) |
| 20:03.05 | Adys | any bash pro? |
| 20:03.18 | Adys | winepath -w $1 | xargs wine /home/adys/bin/mpq.exe |
| 20:03.27 | Adys | any way to quote the output of xargs? |
| 20:03.40 | cbreak | sed? |
| 20:03.52 | Iriel | It's automatically 'quoted' |
| 20:04.01 | Adys | eh |
| 20:04.07 | Cruciformer | no its not |
| 20:04.13 | Iriel | Well, if you pass in "abc def" |
| 20:04.27 | Iriel | then the called program receives "abc def" not "abc" "def" |
| 20:04.39 | Adys | ah er |
| 20:04.39 | Adys | no |
| 20:04.41 | Adys | I mean |
| 20:04.55 | Adys | I get the windows backslash problem |
| 20:04.56 | Adys | /home/adys/bin/mpq.exe Z:homeadysbinWoW-0.2.0.10026-to-0.2.0.10048-enGB-patch.exe |
| 20:05.05 | Cruciformer | -rw-r--r-- 1 jkj hug 0 Jul 4 20:04 two words |
| 20:05.06 | Cruciformer | [jkj@shrike t]$ find . | xargs ls |
| 20:05.06 | Cruciformer | ls: ./two: No such file or directory |
| 20:05.06 | Cruciformer | ls: words: No such file or directory |
| 20:06.00 | Iriel | Oh, sorry, you're right, there's an option |
| 20:06.22 | cbreak | sed solves all such problems... |
| 20:06.37 | Adys | yeah but xargs > sed |
| 20:06.48 | Iriel | I tend to use |
| 20:06.53 | Iriel | find . -print0 | xargs -0 ls |
| 20:07.12 | Cruciformer | you need to use the -d option to set a different delimiter, and set IFS in teh shell to the same delimiter |
| 20:08.10 | Adys | hmm |
| 20:08.15 | Adys | that works iriel but |
| 20:08.19 | Cruciformer | IFS="^A" find . | xargs -d "^A" ls |
| 20:08.19 | Cruciformer | ls: . |
| 20:08.19 | Cruciformer | ./two words |
| 20:08.31 | Iriel | -d isn't standard tho |
| 20:08.34 | Adys | it doesnt open ... |
| 20:09.36 | Cruciformer | neither is -0 |
| 20:09.57 | Arrowmaster | standard in what? |
| 20:10.06 | Iriel | xargs |
| 20:10.06 | Arrowmaster | are we talking about differences in gnu vs bsd? |
| 20:10.13 | Iriel | it's missing on the OSX version, for example |
| 20:10.17 | Shirik | yes it is Cruciformer |
| 20:10.23 | Cruciformer | and in the sysv versions |
| 20:10.28 | Shirik | -print0 and -0 are extremely commonly used and the preferred way to do it |
| 20:10.52 | Arrowmaster | a lot of things that are now 'standard' in modern linux and bsd are missing from sysv |
| 20:10.55 | Cruciformer | Shirik: No it isn't. What standard specifies those? |
| 20:11.17 | Iriel | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 ls |
| 20:11.18 | Cruciformer | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/utilities/xargs.html |
| 20:11.25 | Cruciformer | theres posix. Where is -0? |
| 20:11.31 | cbreak | find . | sed 's/^.*$/\"&\"/g' |
| 20:11.39 | Shirik | find a better standard |
| 20:11.47 | Cruciformer | *sigh* |
| 20:11.49 | Adys | your mom's a better standard |
| 20:12.06 | Iriel | I should have said 'not reliably available' instead of 'not common' |
| 20:12.17 | Shirik | if you're running on a computer that does not support -0 then you need a better system |
| 20:12.24 | Iriel | every version of xargs I have immediately available right now supports -0, most dont do -d |
| 20:12.26 | Shirik | even QNX has that support, and they're fairly restrictive |
| 20:12.35 | Shirik | on the other hand, I am willing to bet it doesn't support -d |
| 20:12.38 | Iriel | (I should say many, I forgot to count a couple of linux boxes) |
| 20:14.01 | nevcairiel | you logged onto multiple boxes to get an accurate measurement? i would've been too lazy to do that =) |
| 20:14.34 | Iriel | There's only a few flavors, so I counted how many I have of each |
| 20:15.06 | Cruciformer | QNX - teh measure of all things standard. |
| 20:15.46 | Shirik | If it were only QNX, I would share your sentiment |
| 20:16.20 | Shirik | however, considering you have yet to identify a significant quantity of systems that do not support -0, I do not consider -d to be a viable alternative |
| 20:16.56 | Cruciformer | Im not saying -d was the better alterinative. I was just saying that -0is no more "standard" than -d is. |
| 20:16.58 | Shirik | When embedded OSes start supporting something, you have to begin assuming it's actually reasonable to assume it's near-ubiquitous |
| 20:19.24 | Cruciformer | Solaris doesnt support -0, neither does AIX or HP-UX. So I completely question your notion of "ubiquitous". |
| 20:20.02 | Cruciformer | neiteh doews OpenServer or UnixWare. In fact so far the only one I have been able to find that DOES is FreeBSD (and I am assuming all teh BSD's) |
| 20:20.12 | Cruciformer | My Centos linux doesnt even support -0. |
| 20:20.27 | Cruciformer | Oh no wait it does sorry. I misread. |
| 20:20.59 | Arrowmaster | my debian did, it was listed at the top of the man page but not described in more detail |
| 20:21.19 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: Yeah I misread the synopsis. Centos does. I corrected myself. |
| 20:22.15 | Shirik | well then all those systems suck |
| 20:22.18 | Shirik | plain and simple |
| 20:22.22 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:22.27 | Fisker | i want to set the world on fire btw |
| 20:22.31 | Shirik | k |
| 20:22.34 | Shirik | glhf |
| 20:22.56 | Cruciformer | *nod* ok they all suck coz they dont support xargs -0. |
| 20:22.59 | Fisker | but why do you want to die? |
| 20:23.24 | Shirik | who said I will die? |
| 20:23.28 | Fisker | you will |
| 20:23.50 | Thunder_Child | didnt you know Fisker, Shirik is fireproof |
| 20:24.09 | Fisker | if Microsoft wasn't the cancer killing PC gaming they should focus on forcing companies to make a proper windowed mode |
| 20:24.19 | Fisker | instead of "oh lol you can't disable windows buttons lolol" |
| 20:24.47 | foxlit | http://www.despair.com/dorkcraft.html |
| 20:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yup, win7 has -no- support for a flash drive having any more than a single partition |
| 20:25.22 | Fisker | http://www.despair.com/somevedi.html <-i like where this is going |
| 20:25.30 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: i thought flash drives having a partition table was a hack anyway? |
| 20:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: not at all. It works fine under 2k, XP, linux, and I'd assume OSX |
| 20:26.37 | Arrowmaster | i remember we had a discussion in here months ago about flash drives |
| 20:26.53 | Arrowmaster | in particular making them bootable |
| 20:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | A partition table is just 512 bytes attached to some storage container |
| 20:27.15 | Cruciformer | making them bootable is a PIT. |
| 20:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I can partition a file if I so please |
| 20:27.28 | Cruciformer | *PITA |
| 20:27.42 | Adys | you guys are such jerks |
| 20:27.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 20:28.34 | Thunder_Child | and? |
| 20:28.34 | Adys | ~ping |
| 20:28.35 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:28.59 | Thunder_Child | any other reason than pointing that out Adys? |
| 20:30.56 | Iriel | Fisker: The 'disable windows button' switch is the 2nd greatest feature on the G15 |
| 20:31.12 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, that is only one button |
| 20:31.14 | Adys | Thunder_Child: wut |
| 20:31.27 | Thunder_Child | Adys: "Adys: you guys are such jerks" |
| 20:31.58 | Adys | Thunder_Child: my two other lines got ripped out? |
| 20:32.11 | Thunder_Child | you DC'd right after |
| 20:32.15 | Adys | [10:14:22] <Adys> you guys are such jerks |
| 20:32.16 | Adys | [10:14:35] <Adys> quiet for all evening then I ask a question and you go nuts on eachother about standards :P |
| 20:32.16 | Adys | [10:14:42] <Adys> anyone feels like helping me with a tab vs space indent dilemna? |
| 20:32.33 | Arrowmaster | tab |
| 20:32.39 | Thunder_Child | oh...we are jerks because we dont want to help you |
| 20:32.39 | End | space |
| 20:32.39 | Adys | tab too |
| 20:32.45 | Iriel | Hey, we aswered your question |
| 20:32.45 | Thunder_Child | cowbell! |
| 20:32.51 | Iriel | ALWAYS spaces in files |
| 20:32.55 | Adys | no, you are jerks because you are in here Thunder_Child |
| 20:32.56 | Iriel | Let your editor represent it however the hell it wants |
| 20:33.03 | Adys | Iriel: you indent with spaces, your answer is invalid |
| 20:33.06 | Thunder_Child | Adys, agreed |
| 20:33.23 | Iriel | M-x untabify FTW |
| 20:33.40 | Shirik | Adys: As long as we're not elitist jerks |
| 20:33.49 | Shirik | also |
| 20:33.52 | Shirik | ~kill Arrowmaster |
| 20:34.13 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudotachyon gun at Arrowmaster |
| 20:34.13 | Shirik | spaces only |
| 20:34.13 | Cruciformer | Iriel: /agree |
| 20:34.13 | Adys | fuck spaces, wtf is wrong with you |
| 20:34.13 | End | I'm only a common jerk |
| 20:34.13 | Shirik | Where is Cide |
| 20:34.34 | Adys | you can set tabs up to have them represented as x spaces |
| 20:34.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: there are several valid reasons to use spaces for indentation, yet letting your editor represent them as tabs |
| 20:34.39 | Adys | you cant do that with spaces |
| 20:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: that said, tabs win |
| 20:34.44 | Shirik | tabs do not win |
| 20:34.57 | Shirik | Adys: That is precisely why tabs are bad |
| 20:35.04 | Adys | when you use spaces you cant use tabs |
| 20:35.06 | Shirik | everyone can have different settings for tabs |
| 20:35.10 | Adys | when you use tabs you can use spaces |
| 20:35.15 | Shirik | a space is always a space |
| 20:35.18 | Cruciformer | Iriel: Or ;set expandtab if you're using vim |
| 20:35.20 | Adys | yeah shirik |
| 20:35.32 | Cruciformer | :set I meant |
| 20:35.44 | Adys | would you go nuts on someone with a different UI to yours, Shirik ? |
| 20:35.54 | Shirik | no, because my UI sucks |
| 20:35.58 | Adys | if he wants larger indent because it feels cleaner |
| 20:36.05 | End | tabs require you to put comments on different lines, or know how big a tab is |
| 20:36.08 | Adys | or tighter indent because it feels more concise |
| 20:36.15 | End | and people make up their own definition of tab |
| 20:36.16 | Adys | End, buy a monitor |
| 20:36.28 | Shirik | buying a monitor is not going to solve comments being out of alignment |
| 20:36.45 | Adys | if you want to align stuff, use spaces ofc |
| 20:36.47 | Shirik | tabs are great when they only preceed things |
| 20:36.51 | Shirik | but they don't |
| 20:36.51 | Adys | yeha |
| 20:36.54 | Adys | no |
| 20:37.36 | Adys | its indentation matters im talking about |
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| 20:37.46 | Iriel | Tabs would be fine if indentation standards were always in terms of whole tabs |
| 20:37.46 | Iriel | but they're invariably not |
| 20:38.09 | Adys | you dont need standards for it though |
| 20:38.10 | Adys | i mean |
| 20:38.29 | Adys | if something looks wrong in a specific setup i just change tab size |
| 20:38.48 | Adys | but when you got some guy indenting with ONE SPACE in python |
| 20:38.48 | Adys | omg |
| 20:39.00 | Adys | fucking unreadable and impossible to fix it |
| 20:39.12 | Cruciformer | Adys: what language are you formatting? If GNU indent can handle it, just run it through indent -nut |
| 20:39.14 | Iriel | The other thing of course, is have an editor that knows enough language structure to re-indent |
| 20:39.23 | Iriel | M-x reindent-region FTW |
| 20:39.52 | Adys | it gets trickier with custom indent objects etc |
| 20:39.55 | Iriel | (I actually use eclipse for most coding, I dont remember the action name there) |
| 20:39.55 | Cruciformer | Iriel: Since you've obviously an emacs-head, do you use it under windows and if so, which one? GNU or xemacs? |
| 20:40.13 | Iriel | Cruciformer: I did for a while, GNU, but that's just personal preference |
| 20:40.24 | Adys | personal preference is fine |
| 20:40.25 | Iriel | I've been using GNU emacs since 1991 |
| 20:40.28 | Adys | as long as i agree with it. |
| 20:40.47 | Iriel | I didn't feel like making the transition - I introduced a co-worker to emacs some years ago and he went with XEmacs |
| 20:40.58 | Cruciformer | Iriel: 'bout the same time as me when I moved fromteh DOS world and BRIEF. |
| 20:41.32 | Cruciformer | I prefered XEmacs for teh simple reason it was easier to contribute to it than gnu emacs was. |
| 20:41.52 | Cruciformer | GNU emacs became more tollerable when jim blandy took over maintainership but when RMS was still so involved it was a nightmare. |
| 20:42.28 | Cruciformer | and they had regions long before GNU emacs did (back inteh day pre GNU emacs 19 and their weird relationship with lucid) |
| 20:43.17 | Adys | hands Cruciformer a couple of males for tea |
| 20:43.27 | Cruciformer | my one useful contribution to xemacs: dynamically loadable extension modules written in C. |
| 20:43.52 | Cruciformer | Adys: Are the inappropriately aged? |
| 20:44.11 | Adys | it was a horrible pun and you just made it funnier |
| 20:45.37 | Cruciformer | im looking for the pun but cant find it. My thinking cap is in teh wash :P |
| 20:45.53 | Cruciformer | and one day Ill learn to type "the" correctly. |
| 20:46.36 | Cruciformer | I used to have an emacs abbrev that corrected "teh" to "the" |
| 20:47.35 | Shirik | Iriel |
| 20:47.53 | Shirik | we are going to need to work on that Emacs addiction problem of yours |
| 20:48.34 | Iriel | What's wrong with having a fine multi-purpose tool to fall back on when there isn't something more specific at hand? |
| 20:48.51 | nevcairiel | Is it its own OS yet? |
| 20:49.56 | Shirik | don't they call it an OS, nevcairiel? |
| 20:50.06 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 20:50.29 | Cruciformer | I loved that .sig I saw years ago ... something about RMS writing a "/unix.el" |
| 20:50.35 | Arrowmaster | theres a reason i keep meaning to try and learn emacs, gvim sucks.... |
| 20:50.48 | Shirik | hugs vim |
| 20:51.01 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: Whats wrong with gvim? |
| 20:51.02 | Shirik | gvim isn't that bad :/ it's not very good, but it's not bad |
| 20:51.05 | Arrowmaster | vim is fine, just gvim is horrible |
| 20:51.29 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: which platform? Its been good to me on windows. |
| 20:51.37 | Arrowmaster | i hated it on windows |
| 20:51.45 | Cruciformer | I had to get a very modern version tho |
| 20:52.03 | Shirik | its default settings are pretty bad |
| 20:52.07 | Cruciformer | Im running 7.2.148 and its been ok |
| 20:52.08 | Shirik | need to change fonts, etc. |
| 20:52.11 | Arrowmaster | it was like vim running in a little console window, nothing at all like a modern graphical editor |
| 20:53.18 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: Mine wasnt like that at all. It had propper menus, cut-n-pste in a windowsy way. I did have tochange the font tho but only to make it bigger. |
| 20:53.24 | Shirik | select mode really needs to operate more like visual mode |
| 20:53.38 | Adys | Iriel: xargs -0 seems to end with a newline? |
| 20:54.28 | Arrowmaster | the cut-n-paste when i used it wasnt windowsy at all |
| 20:54.28 | Fisker | i scream for icecream |
| 20:54.28 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: It may have been a version problem. |
| 20:55.21 | Iriel | Adys: I'm not sure what you mean? |
| 20:55.50 | Adys | winepath -w $1 | xargs -0 wine /home/adys/bin/mpq.exe |
| 20:55.51 | Adys | this |
| 20:56.03 | Adys | attempts to do something like |
| 20:56.05 | Iriel | You missed the tr |
| 20:56.17 | Adys | tr? |
| 20:56.28 | Iriel | winepath -w $1 | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 wine /home/adys/bin/mpq.exe |
| 20:56.36 | Adys | oh right |
| 20:57.38 | Adys | hurray |
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| 21:01.01 | Cruciformer | ftp.xemacs.org is full of fail |
| 21:03.44 | medeah | anyone know what oUF layout is used in the screenshot for oUF Debuff Highlight? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8812-oUFDebuffHighlight.html |
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| 21:20.17 | Adys | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/18331423289-the-tier-9-constructive-criticism-thread.html |
| 21:20.20 | Adys | what a fucking asshole |
| 21:23.09 | Thunder_Child | which one? |
| 21:24.02 | Adys | you |
| 21:24.13 | Thunder_Child | other than me |
| 21:30.06 | Cidan | yay, 22 sales of my app in half a day, xD |
| 21:30.11 | Cidan | horray iPhone |
| 21:30.24 | cbreak | youFart? |
| 21:30.34 | Thunder_Child | whats it called? |
| 21:31.25 | Cidan | gamefaqs search |
| 21:31.44 | cbreak | a web browser? |
| 21:32.03 | Cidan | eh, a searching app for gamefaqs; gamefaqs has a shitty, shitty website for mobile phones. |
| 21:32.54 | Thunder_Child | Imago game studios? |
| 21:33.05 | Cidan | Ya. |
| 21:33.12 | Cidan | also |
| 21:33.17 | Cidan | I'm hungry |
| 21:33.21 | Cidan | Damn 4th of July |
| 21:33.24 | Cidan | it sucks up here. |
| 21:33.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:33.36 | Shirik | 4th is gonna be fun here |
| 21:33.59 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, go read your reviews |
| 21:34.10 | Cidan | I have. |
| 21:34.14 | Cidan | yawns |
| 21:34.18 | Cidan | 4th sucks in DC. |
| 21:34.24 | Cidan | It's so crowded, you can't move. |
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| 22:01.36 | Adys | Someone on windows xp please? I need a test |
| 22:01.46 | Adys | or vista |
| 22:02.17 | Corrodias | i've got vista, but not WoW |
| 22:02.41 | Iriel | I have vista and wow |
| 22:03.15 | nevcairiel | I'm on 7, thats a better vista =P |
| 22:04.20 | haste | I'm on Linux! I think it qualifies as a better vista as well |
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| 22:06.10 | Iriel | Better Vista != Better THAN Vista |
| 22:06.24 | Iriel | Though Better Vista => Better THAN Vista, otherwise it'd be a silly label |
| 22:07.18 | nevcairiel | 7 is really a better vista, though |
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| 22:08.04 | Iriel | sure, but linux isn't |
| 22:08.20 | nevcairiel | haste made it one! |
| 22:08.50 | haste | I'm watching a movie! |
| 22:08.57 | nevcairiel | a good one? |
| 22:09.03 | haste | battle royale |
| 22:09.38 | haste | people have such a horrible aim in it :( |
| 22:09.49 | nevcairiel | thats some japanese movie? |
| 22:10.02 | haste | yeh |
| 22:10.56 | Cralor` | hmm. having RUNE_POWER_UPDATE troubles. Unholy and Frost runes sometimes go right through the OnUpdate and runeReady immediately. http://pastey.net/117060/6:27 |
| 22:11.25 | Cralor` | (even though I just used that specific rune, blood runes work 100% however) |
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| 22:20.49 | Adys | this connection sucks |
| 22:21.09 | haste | I like how one of the guys has some source code scrolling down on his computer |
| 22:21.12 | haste | and it's the source of nmap :D |
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| 22:21.44 | batrick | O.o |
| 22:22.00 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 22:22.02 | batrick | At work haste? |
| 22:22.07 | nevcairiel | in the movie |
| 22:22.26 | batrick | oh |
| 22:22.46 | batrick | I think Fyodor would like to hear about that. Do you know where in the movie? |
| 22:22.49 | nevcairiel | A local tv station here wanted to show a computer-type-image, so they showed a screen of ping 127.0.0.1 in the news .. =P |
| 22:23.24 | batrick | nvm it's already up there |
| 22:24.08 | haste | yep |
| 22:24.30 | batrick | http://nmap.org/movies.html#battleroyale |
| 22:24.33 | batrick | For those curious |
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| 22:25.00 | batrick | I work with Fyodor and he gets excited about Nmap being in movies :) |
| 22:25.39 | haste | hehe |
| 22:26.40 | seank2 | wow IRC isn't a possible addon, is it? |
| 22:26.47 | batrick | no |
| 22:26.49 | seank2 | so sad |
| 22:26.58 | nevcairiel | wtf, there is nmap porn? |
| 22:27.02 | haste | y |
| 22:27.04 | batrick | yes |
| 22:27.06 | End | I saw that too |
| 22:27.08 | mikma | http://nmap.org/images/khottabych/telnet-ms-hack-720x368.png |
| 22:27.09 | End | it makes me go o_O |
| 22:27.14 | mikma | spot the tpyo! |
| 22:27.24 | End | is that the mifrosoft one? |
| 22:27.43 | End | er, maybe it was micfosoft |
| 22:28.00 | End | yeah, micfosoft |
| 22:32.16 | Adys | [00:26:57] <nevcairiel> wtf, there is nmap porn? |
| 22:32.22 | Adys | I know what Ill code next for addybot |
| 22:32.31 | Adys | an auto reply |
| 22:32.32 | nevcairiel | ascii porn module? |
| 22:33.00 | Adys | scans for "is there .* porn?" |
| 22:33.12 | Adys | and answers yes, obviously. |
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| 22:38.34 | tekkub | unf |
| 22:38.39 | tekkub | arkansas again |
| 22:38.46 | tekkub | just where I wanna be.... |
| 22:39.00 | Adys | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 22:39.04 | Adys | there IS nmap porn |
| 22:39.06 | tekkub | CHUCK |
| 22:41.28 | Shirik | Adys: You are surprised? |
| 22:41.54 | Adys | I'm... |
| 22:42.13 | Adys | I dont know, at first on "wtf, there is *** porn?" I dont act surprised |
| 22:42.14 | Adys | but |
| 22:42.16 | Adys | I clicked and |
| 22:42.25 | Adys | oh my god im going to die please someone help me |
| 22:43.40 | Dashkal | nmap porn... |
| 22:43.42 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 22:44.21 | Adys | [ The HaXXXor video downloads which were here have been removed -- I could not afford the bandwidth charges ] |
| 22:45.01 | zenzelezz | what's weird about nmap porn? It likes to probe stuff |
| 22:45.08 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:45.20 | Thunder_Child | http://nmap.org/nmap_haxxxor.html |
| 22:45.25 | Dashkal | Ok, googled... that's just... ok, rule 34 it is |
| 22:45.26 | Thunder_Child | major fail |
| 22:46.27 | Corrodias | nice. she is not bad at all. |
| 22:47.11 | Thunder_Child | correct. she is horrid |
| 22:47.12 | msou| | Hmm, DK dps with 353 hit rating.. equipped sphere of red dragon's blood and thinking of getting the trinket from WG which one is better battlemaster's accuracy or battlemaster's conviction? |
| 22:47.38 | Corrodias | to each his own, child |
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| 22:51.26 | Shirik | hm, http://agrumer.livejournal.com/414194.html |
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| 22:55.10 | batrick | nice |
| 23:02.17 | Adys | Corrodias: she is fucking ugly |
| 23:02.23 | Adys | horrible kind of ugly |
| 23:02.32 | Adys | ugh this is sticking to my mind |
| 23:02.35 | Corrodias | it doesn't have full sized images |
| 23:02.40 | Adys | quick, I need a theme song |
| 23:02.46 | Adys | a very annoying one |
| 23:02.46 | Corrodias | i don't feel like getting the video to see. |
| 23:03.22 | Thunder_Child | Adys, define annyoing |
| 23:03.42 | Adys | the kind you cant stop thinking about until the next day |
| 23:03.45 | Adys | PLEASE HURRY |
| 23:04.55 | Thunder_Child | Adys, i dont have that problem with themesongs. though zests commercial lasted for a while |
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| 23:05.05 | Adys | aaargh |
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| 23:06.28 | Cralor` | Adys, you still need a theme song? |
| 23:06.36 | Shirik | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_wearable_feedbags_let?utm_source=a-section |
| 23:06.43 | Shirik | very win |
| 23:07.13 | Adys | sorry Cralor` I'm dead |
| 23:07.30 | Cralor` | oh shucks. |
| 23:07.38 | Adys | the little hopes of taste within myself have faded |
| 23:08.24 | Cralor` | lol |
| 23:12.21 | Thunder_Child | i just thought of a good one Adys, the hamster dance |
| 23:12.26 | Ackis | Adys: you're dead? :( |
| 23:13.04 | Adys | Thunder_Child: Ill write it down in case theres something as bad coming up some time |
| 23:13.08 | Cralor` | My choice was going to be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astISOttCQ0 |
| 23:13.08 | Adys | but I dont think it'll ever happen |
| 23:13.34 | Thunder_Child | i am still unsure as to what set you off however |
| 23:16.08 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: nmap porn set him off I think :P |
| 23:16.25 | Thunder_Child | if you can not remember then it is not that bad |
| 23:18.34 | Shirik | you guys are still talking about nmap porn wtf |
| 23:19.09 | zenzelezz | we're about to turn to wireshark |
| 23:20.12 | nevcairiel | I'm kinda surprised that he was so confused by it actually existing after his previous comments :P |
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| 23:24.44 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/browse/12281/gang_bang.jpg |
| 23:24.59 | Cairenn | oh my |
| 23:25.11 | Thunder_Child | fur coat in the making |
| 23:27.04 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/browse/12275/tattoo_locations.png |
| 23:28.27 | Corrodias | ah, people are so down on personal drawings |
| 23:28.31 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 23:29.24 | Cairenn | rofl, I like that one |
| 23:30.45 | Thunder_Child | part of an email about going to see transformers tonight "She thinks Optimus Prime is the hottest thing since Cary Grant." |
| 23:31.03 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/browse/12258/dog29.jpg |
| 23:31.12 | Cairenn | heh, saw that one |
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| 23:33.57 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/browse/12252/cake8.jpg |
| 23:34.05 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 23:41.51 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/browse/12230/cat57.jpg |
| 23:41.59 | mikma | enough animalporn yet? |
| 23:42.02 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 23:46.11 | Thunder_Child | waaaaaaa...the pun.....http://kuvaton.com/browse/12220/lego_food.jpg |
| 23:47.41 | Adys | hurray |
| 23:47.43 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s65418/ |
| 23:47.50 | Adys | $floor and $gt fixed |
| 23:48.09 | Bibi` | so they get the bugfixes report and I don't? |
| 23:48.12 | Bibi` | go fuck yourself. |
| 23:48.22 | Adys | I just fucking pasted you that on msn |
| 23:48.23 | Bibi` | :( |
| 23:48.30 | Adys | (01:40:29 AM) Adys: Restores 4% of your health and mana every sec for 30 sec. Must remain seated while eating. If you spend at least 10 seconds eating you will become well fed and gain {<Floor: <Level>-15*0.554>+4} haste rating and Stamina for 1 hour. |
| 23:48.35 | Bibi` | never got it |
| 23:48.36 | Adys | quit complaining |
| 23:48.36 | Adys | jerk |
| 23:48.50 | Thunder_Child | fight fight fight |
| 23:48.59 | Adys | fights Thunder_Child with whales |
| 23:49.19 | Thunder_Child | ~vs Thunder_Child Whales |
| 23:49.20 | purl | in a one on one showdown, everyone wins. |
| 23:50.01 | Adys | ~vs Thunder_Child Adys |
| 23:50.02 | purl | in a one on one showdown, no one wins. |
| 23:50.06 | Adys | figures |
| 23:50.34 | Adys | Addybot expires today |
| 23:50.54 | Adys | well |
| 23:50.56 | Adys | its server anyway |
| 23:55.47 | haste | what does it do anyway? |
