| 00:00.10 | Cairenn | brb, pidgin wants to update |
| 00:00.14 | Thunder_Child | i know, that boy is to free with his name on the internet |
| 00:00.46 | ccox | Hey, it (mostly) works well - he should be proud of it |
| 00:01.08 | Thunder_Child | till i do some social hacking and spoof him for fun |
| 00:01.10 | ccox | *(where the rest will be fixed soon according to the JIRA bug status) |
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| 00:01.46 | Wobin | wtf? http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/3804/i-ve-had-worse/ |
| 00:01.56 | Thunder_Child | though with my luck i would end up getting a really good job |
| 00:02.31 | kd3 | placeholder |
| 00:02.37 | kd3 | also a python reference |
| 00:04.02 | Thunder_Child | soem people might think you are talking aobut the language |
| 00:04.26 | ccox | no English speaking geek would make that mistake |
| 00:05.01 | Thunder_Child | why not? a coding reference is valid geekyness |
| 00:09.36 | Wobin | ccox is right |
| 00:09.48 | Wobin | the words "black knight" ensure this |
| 00:10.01 | Thunder_Child | i'm just saying in general |
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| 00:18.08 | ReAn | tip: don't search for 'Ace3' in minion >_> |
| 00:18.56 | Seerah | did is asplode, ReAn? |
| 00:19.12 | ReAn | yep |
| 00:19.15 | ReAn | in a funny way |
| 00:19.48 | Wobin | haha UK "heatwave" |
| 00:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | tar on the roads melting again?! |
| 00:29.09 | Wobin | zomg 30 degrees =) |
| 00:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Hooooooooly crap, the world is burning |
| 00:29.56 | Seerah | 30? That's below freezing :P |
| 00:30.00 | ScytheBlade1 | C |
| 00:30.01 | Wobin | all those Britons... turning red in the sun like lobsters, cause they forget they need sunscreen |
| 00:30.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Not F |
| 00:30.13 | Seerah | (I know it's C :P :P :P ) |
| 00:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 00:30.17 | Wobin | Only silly people use F |
| 00:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 00:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Fooled me! |
| 00:30.32 | Seerah | ~punt ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:30.33 | purl | ACTION sends ScytheBlade1 into a new timezone |
| 00:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | fwiw, I plugged "30C in F" into google before responding :P |
| 00:30.55 | Seerah | rofl |
| 00:31.01 | Seerah | huggles Sbo |
| 00:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ~hug Seerah |
| 00:31.10 | purl | ACTION hugs Seerah tightly until Seerah turns slightly blue |
| 00:31.22 | Seerah | only "slightly"? That's all you got? |
| 00:31.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo hug |
| 00:31.47 | purl | hug -- it has been requested 18 times, last by Adys at Thu Jun 4 06:54:34 2009. |
| 00:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ~literal hug |
| 00:31.52 | purl | "hug" is "<action> hugs $who" |
| 00:31.57 | ScytheBlade1 | huh |
| 00:31.59 | Wobin | only 18 times? |
| 00:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea! I could try again though! |
| 00:32.12 | Wobin | ~hug |
| 00:32.13 | purl | ACTION hugs wobin |
| 00:32.21 | Wobin | ~factinfo hug |
| 00:32.21 | purl | hug -- it has been requested 19 times, last by Wobin, 8s ago. |
| 00:32.28 | Wobin | there you go, different hug |
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| 00:32.43 | Arrowmaster | ~literal hug (.*?) |
| 00:32.44 | purl | ACTION jumps into (.*?)'s lap and huggles and *hugs* (.*?) |
| 00:32.55 | Arrowmaster | ~literal cmd: hug (.*?) |
| 00:32.55 | purl | "cmd: hug (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (gets a running start and tackle-hugs $1 | hugs $1 | jumps into $1's lap and huggles and *hugs* $1 | hugs $1 tightly until $1 turns slightly blue | sneaks up on $1 and suddenly hugs $1 tightly)" |
| 00:33.09 | Arrowmaster | ~factinfo cmd: hug (.*?) |
| 00:33.09 | purl | cmd: hug (.*?) -- last modified at Sat Nov 11 18:02:25 2006 by CBG!n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG; it has been requested 149 times, last by Arrowmaster, 25s ago. |
| 00:33.34 | Shirik | rawr |
| 00:33.40 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:33.44 | Shirik | huggles Gryphon |
| 00:33.48 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik |
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| 00:36.12 | ccox | from a battleground: "gnomes love bombs, send one as a gift today!" |
| 00:39.37 | Shirik | ccox: true story |
| 00:40.09 | Wobin | woot |
| 00:40.10 | Wobin | http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/2009.htm |
| 00:40.41 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.44 | Shirik | is that you? |
| 00:40.48 | Shirik | and Seerah fails |
| 00:40.59 | Seerah | got it! third time's the charm |
| 00:47.24 | ccox | the whole site is down |
| 00:47.36 | Shirik | I don't really understand that site |
| 00:47.39 | ccox | they must have just announced results :-) |
| 00:48.09 | ccox | Shirik - well, what is there to understand? Ya, know, it was a dark and stormy night.... |
| 00:48.29 | Shirik | what the site is, for one |
| 01:01.19 | Lunessa | A group of bandits was seated around a campfire. Their leader, a tall, dark and handsome man arose to say, "Romeo, tell us a story." |
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| 01:05.07 | NeoTron | so we have this ice cream dude in the neighbourhood |
| 01:05.14 | NeoTron | been there for as long as we have - 4 yrs or so |
| 01:05.33 | NeoTron | he drives so damn fast that you need lightning reflexes to hear him, grab cash, run out and stop him before he's gone |
| 01:05.58 | NeoTron | and we live a few houses from the end of a culdesac so we have extra time sicne he goes by us, turns around and returns |
| 01:06.43 | NeoTron | he'd probably double or triple his sales if he actually drove at a decent speed |
| 01:07.32 | Seerah | have you told him this? |
| 01:08.10 | NeoTron | nah, haven't been able to catch him! |
| 01:08.26 | NeoTron | seriously though, he's usually coming around when I'm at work |
| 01:10.02 | Seerah | ours sometimes comes at 10-11am |
| 01:10.21 | Seerah | too early for ice cream |
| 01:10.24 | TC-Away | anyone offhand know the pvp hitcap? |
| 01:10.24 | NeoTron | I wonder though if it's just at our little street since we're probably the only house there with someone that'd be interested in his services for the most part |
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| 01:30.21 | Lunessa | wants ice cream now. Thank you SO much NeoTron. |
| 01:31.04 | bleeter | steals Lunessa's ice cream |
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| 01:31.19 | Lunessa | has no ice cream. |
| 01:31.31 | bleeter | of course you don't, i stoled it |
| 01:31.36 | bleeter | *stolled |
| 01:31.39 | bleeter | :/ |
| 01:32.14 | Seerah | thinks she'll go downstairs to get a bowl of ice cream... :) |
| 01:32.32 | bleeter | stolleded Seerah's ice cream and passes it to Lunessa |
| 01:32.36 | bleeter | Lunessa: better? |
| 01:32.54 | Seerah | pouts |
| 01:32.58 | Thunder_Child | ...now i have to go buy a drumstick |
| 01:33.13 | Lunessa | Oh man, now you're going to make Seerah hate me. /me passes ice cream back to Seerah. |
| 01:33.20 | Seerah | yay! |
| 01:33.25 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa and shares |
| 01:33.32 | Seerah | sticks her tongue out at bleeter |
| 01:33.36 | Lunessa | BLISS! |
| 01:33.41 | bleeter | oh crap I forgot Seerah had op... that was a very dangerous move I just did then |
| 01:33.44 | bleeter | cowers in fear. |
| 01:33.50 | Seerah | heh heh heh |
| 01:34.17 | Seerah | you no steal cand- ice cream! |
| 01:35.25 | Lunessa | Every time a kobold in WoW says "You no take candle!" I smoosh him and say, "Watch me!" |
| 01:36.01 | bleeter | DIRTY FILTHY RP-ER! |
| 01:36.06 | bleeter | you'll never be welcome in Oceania! |
| 01:36.09 | bleeter | :P |
| 01:37.03 | ccox | do we have developer guilds on the PTR? |
| 01:38.58 | Cairenn | kd3 usually sets one up |
| 01:39.17 | Cairenn | or Lunessa |
| 01:39.19 | Cairenn | iirc |
| 01:39.44 | Lunessa | I haven't done it this time. I've been too busy. |
| 01:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man, speaking of ice cream |
| 01:40.27 | ccox | hmm, PTR client keeps disconnecting me in IOC |
| 01:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | orange sherbet |
| 01:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmmmmmmm |
| 01:40.50 | Lunessa | Advice to any of us who ever seek political office - seek out and destroy all logs of flirting with Cairenn. |
| 01:41.04 | Cairenn | ? |
| 01:41.08 | ccox | better advice: don't SEEK political office |
| 01:41.15 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 01:41.37 | Lunessa | Cairenn: We know it' s innocent - but the press has a field day with it. :) |
| 01:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | had something to say; but thought twice and decided otherwise |
| 01:41.41 | Cairenn | ah |
| 01:42.08 | Lunessa | "CHARLESTON, S.C. â Gov. Mark Sanford said Tuesday that he had visited with his Argentine mistress more times than he initially disclosed and that he had had inappropriate flirtations with several other women as well." |
| 01:42.17 | Cairenn | ah |
| 01:42.26 | Cairenn | now we understand why the comment |
| 01:42.36 | Seerah | but it never came to sex!, he says |
| 01:42.36 | Lunessa | :P |
| 01:42.37 | Thunder_Child | that suggests he had appropriate flirtations |
| 01:42.42 | Seerah | (for the other women) |
| 01:42.49 | Seerah | ScytheBlade1: mmmmm |
| 01:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Seerah: so good |
| 01:43.06 | Seerah | digs into her chocolate paradise ice cream |
| 01:45.00 | kd3 | hrm |
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| 01:48.09 | Lunessa | All I want to know is "What is appropriate? How much can I get away with?" |
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| 01:52.50 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/atm-vendor-halts-talk/ |
| 01:53.42 | Thunder_Child | Guest25874, ping |
| 01:54.13 | Shirik | wrong, Thunder_Child |
| 01:54.27 | Thunder_Child | seems not |
| 01:54.44 | Thunder_Child | anyway, does minion leave stuff like "extractor7251704190357934268" behind? |
| 01:54.57 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh HIM |
| 01:54.59 | AnduinLothar | it leaves stuff int eh tmp folder.. |
| 01:55.17 | Thunder_Child | so the fact that it doesnt delete it a bug? |
| 01:55.20 | End | Move right to the left! |
| 01:55.23 | Thunder_Child | or a "feature"? |
| 01:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: if I had to guess, because it hit an internal error and aborted the operation. A log file would tell me why, if you could pass one over |
| 01:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~minion-log |
| 01:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ~minion-logs |
| 01:55.40 | purl | Windows: %APPDATA%MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 01:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, forget minion-logs |
| 01:56.09 | purl | ScytheBlade1: i forgot minion-logs |
| 01:56.23 | AnduinLothar | WTS reporting feature that uploads the log after a crash |
| 01:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | purl minion-logs is <reply> %APPDATA%\MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 01:56.26 | purl | ScytheBlade1: okay |
| 01:56.54 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: internal error doesn't always amount to a crash.. but that sounds like an epic idea indeed |
| 01:56.58 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: yes it's a bug |
| 01:57.08 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, send it where? |
| 01:57.09 | Shirik | it's one I'm aware of though I don't think it's on the tracker |
| 01:57.29 | Shirik | it's a bug belonging to the WoWI module |
| 01:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: pastey, any raondom website, the bug database |
| 01:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | *random |
| 02:02.53 | Thunder_Child | pastey fails |
| 02:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | pastey.net/ISwearIAmNotASpammer.php |
| 02:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I bet would fix your problem |
| 02:03.25 | End | I'm a spammer |
| 02:03.27 | End | no, I kid |
| 02:03.28 | Wobin | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1915736 |
| 02:04.04 | Cairenn | :( ccox|antibiotics |
| 02:04.20 | Thunder_Child | indeed ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:04.26 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, http://pastey.net/116927 |
| 02:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | w |
| 02:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | t |
| 02:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | f |
| 02:05.44 | Thunder_Child | yes i know, i win |
| 02:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 02:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf did you do |
| 02:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | SEVERE: com.mmoui.manager.MainView$5@2583d260 failed: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid uri '/patcher2/login/A:\World of Warcraft/A:\World of Warcraft.xml': escaped absolute path not valid |
| 02:06.00 | Thunder_Child | everything...nothing |
| 02:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I am so confused |
| 02:06.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik has seen that before |
| 02:07.07 | Thunder_Child | it's supposed to have my pw or un or somesuch in there |
| 02:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Better him than me, then |
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| 02:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It looks like most of your errors are related to that |
| 02:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It also looks like a couple corrupt zips that went up, and a few addons not in zip formate |
| 02:11.37 | Arrowmaster | what does minion use for opening zips? |
| 02:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Java's ZipInputStream |
| 02:11.52 | Iriel | I would imagine it uses Java's Zip classes |
| 02:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a fair bit more picky than most end user extractors |
| 02:12.37 | Arrowmaster | if wowi allows non zip uploads then it really should be using something else, preferably something like the 7zip libraries |
| 02:12.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The biggest problem now is rar |
| 02:13.03 | Arrowmaster | which 7zip opens |
| 02:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | rar is relatively common |
| 02:13.12 | Iriel | so 7zip is a native java implementation? |
| 02:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Does 7zip have a java library? |
| 02:13.21 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 02:13.22 | Iriel | or are you just hypothesizing without actual practical solutions? |
| 02:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 02:13.45 | Arrowmaster | but its probably the most complete library for opening different formats |
| 02:13.57 | Iriel | If you're writing C code? or java code? |
| 02:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It looks like it has a SDK for C, C++, C# and Java |
| 02:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | However it only says "LZMA SDK" which... doesn't tell me much |
| 02:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | public domain licensing though, so no harm in looking |
| 02:16.34 | Iriel | looks like there are several java impls, but it's hard to tell if they're pure java or a JNI |
| 02:16.55 | Arrowmaster | and hard to tell if they are just LZMA or the full 7zip library that supports other formats as well |
| 02:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be willing to bet it only supports the 7zip format |
| 02:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | gack, that SDK is a tarbomb |
| 02:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ~hate 7zip devs |
| 02:18.37 | purl | Hey scytheblade1, ,,|, |
| 02:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 02:18.58 | Seerah | lol |
| 02:19.50 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the lzma sdk is what you are looking for |
| 02:20.00 | Arrowmaster | java cant use dlls right? |
| 02:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That SDK has a java native implementation of the 7zip compressor/decompressor |
| 02:20.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So it is at least partially what I was looking for |
| 02:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And it can, but for compression we probably won't go that route |
| 02:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Right now, minion ships one architecture specific shared library, which is used for the GUI |
| 02:21.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Beyond that, I sincerely doubt there would be anything else like that shipped |
| 02:24.39 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: No it shouldn't |
| 02:24.54 | Shirik | And I would appreciate everyone not making sweeping statements about my program before they understand how it works |
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| 02:25.24 | Shirik | There is an interface to implement to provide an extraction services. You can implement any type of extractor. Zip is merely the only one I provide. |
| 02:25.30 | Shirik | If you want to make it do more, be my guest |
| 02:25.45 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 02:25.55 | Arrowmaster | i dont use it or java |
| 02:25.59 | Shirik | Then don't go around saying shit like "You shouldn't do it this way" |
| 02:26.30 | Thunder_Child | woah, someone hit a Shirik nerve |
| 02:26.32 | Arrowmaster | i was just saying you should probably provide support for more than just zip as long as wowi is going to allow uploads of more than just zip |
| 02:26.52 | Shirik | I provided the means for that support to exist |
| 02:26.59 | Shirik | I have zero intention of handling everything myself |
| 02:27.12 | Arrowmaster | open source at its best |
| 02:27.31 | Shirik | There is no need for open source. The hooks are there. |
| 02:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: and it is something that *I'd* like to get working, but given enough time. The existing interface for extractors is nice |
| 02:27.38 | Shirik | Seriously, what are you on |
| 02:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | And actually, Shirik, question in PM |
| 02:28.14 | Shirik | I think that question should have been answered by now |
| 02:28.36 | Arrowmaster | i was refering to the open source design physlophy, "i provided a way for you to add what you want so go do it yourself" |
| 02:28.40 | tekkub | 221133 ... >< |
| 02:28.46 | tekkub | damn you auth token! |
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| 02:40.31 | End | tekkub: funny, that's the combination to my luggage |
| 02:41.41 | Shirik | your luggage has a lot of dials |
| 02:41.45 | Shirik | mine only has 3 :( |
| 02:42.03 | Seerah | just means yours is easier to break into :p |
| 02:42.24 | Shirik | don't really make much difference |
| 02:42.26 | Shirik | not like it's metal |
| 02:42.32 | Shirik | it's fairly easy to break into anyway |
| 02:43.12 | Thunder_Child | ends isnt TSA aprroved! |
| 02:43.27 | Shirik | screw TSA anyway |
| 02:43.40 | Shirik | they always gave me a hard time about wanting to get my film hand-checked |
| 02:43.56 | Shirik | one time I actually said to one of them "I don't believe I have to tell you why I want you to, just do it" |
| 02:44.17 | Seerah | you mean instead of going through the xray? |
| 02:44.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:44.26 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.27 | Tem | so, my new favorit meme is In the mountains |
| 02:44.52 | Arrowmaster | did you know disposable cameras set off metal detectors really well |
| 02:45.21 | kd3 | I blame the caps in them that can do pretty nasty damage when they're charged |
| 02:45.52 | kd3 | once lost feeling in a hand for longer than he cares to admit |
| 02:52.37 | Tem | oh fuck yeah! |
| 02:52.41 | Tem | we just got our 30th fragment |
| 02:53.07 | kd3 | grr |
| 02:53.10 | kd3 | it's account refresh day |
| 02:53.15 | kd3 | wtb posting on the forums |
| 02:55.59 | Thunder_Child | thats your first mistake kd3 |
| 02:56.54 | Lunessa | forums - a way to appear useful and interesting, while in actually distracting yourself from how much reality blows. |
| 02:57.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I just don't dillute myself, and go for the "appear neither useful nor interesting" and zone out to some music for a couple hours |
| 02:57.39 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 02:57.42 | Thunder_Child | except for the wow forums. where there is so much QQ'ing about how the virtual reality blows |
| 02:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 02:59.30 | Thunder_Child | WTB http://tinyurl.com/ma9xt8 |
| 02:59.33 | Lunessa | Right now, I just want a steak, a bottle of scotch, and a good conversation. If I can't have those, I'll settle for a chili dog with onions, fries, a beer and something not entirely mindless on TV |
| 03:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And anonymous strangers on the interwebs? |
| 03:00.13 | Thunder_Child | you can get one and two...not so sure about three |
| 03:00.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Intertubes, ratherr |
| 03:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | *rather |
| 03:00.38 | Thunder_Child | having a TC moment ScytheBlade1? |
| 03:00.38 | Lunessa | Nah, you guys aren't as anonymous as you might think. |
| 03:00.57 | Cairenn | uses this channel to get good conversation |
| 03:01.08 | Thunder_Child | piffle |
| 03:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | A TC moment? |
| 03:01.39 | Thunder_Child | TC = Thunder_Child |
| 03:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I got that part |
| 03:01.50 | Thunder_Child | where you can not spell ot type properly |
| 03:01.55 | Thunder_Child | or* |
| 03:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 03:02.04 | Thunder_Child | (i rest my case) |
| 03:02.05 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Me too. Seeing as I'm not getting it at work, or at any other place I regularly spend time. |
| 03:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That's migraine induced |
| 03:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, right |
| 03:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa, while I'm thinking of it |
| 03:03.20 | Shirik | uses this channel to see Cairenn |
| 03:03.27 | Cairenn | awww |
| 03:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You in front of the computer where Minion installs Healbot every time, right? |
| 03:03.35 | Thunder_Child | lies Cairenn, you use this channel to steal pants! |
| 03:03.48 | Cairenn | that too, but they aren't mutually exclusive usages |
| 03:03.52 | Lunessa | No, I'm at work. No WoW installs here. |
| 03:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | When you get home, think you can upload a log and config.xml file for me? |
| 03:04.14 | Thunder_Child | well...my desire to talk tou you after you have stolen my pants does decline |
| 03:04.21 | Lunessa | remebers to pack an extra pair of pants to lose at Blizzcon. |
| 03:04.40 | Lunessa | yeah. Send me some e-mail or I'll forget. |
| 03:04.43 | bleeter | pants? Blizzcon?? Is Guy Threepwood gunna be there??? |
| 03:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Can do |
| 03:04.52 | Thunder_Child | i still say everyone signing a pair of pants for Cairenn would be amusing |
| 03:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | The address I have in MSN, right? |
| 03:05.00 | End | that'd be awesome |
| 03:05.01 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:05.02 | Lunessa | Yeah |
| 03:05.02 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, wrong con |
| 03:05.07 | ScytheBlade1 | will do, thanks |
| 03:05.29 | Thunder_Child | then make her wear it |
| 03:05.38 | Thunder_Child | and have WOW and UI on the cheeks |
| 03:05.51 | bleeter | don't forget to take pics |
| 03:05.53 | Lunessa | Once, back in the day, when I was a Con organizer, there was a party/con group called the New Orleans Porno Patrol who would work cons and throw big parties. |
| 03:06.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont think i will be there |
| 03:06.07 | Thunder_Child | and neither will Shirik |
| 03:06.19 | Seerah | I won't either :( |
| 03:06.20 | Thunder_Child | so that means we have to rely on Iriel's pictures |
| 03:06.25 | Cairenn | TC: WoWI, not WoW UI :p |
| 03:06.38 | Thunder_Child | i know Cairenn, but it's uneven |
| 03:06.41 | Lunessa | There were these two women in the group who were not all that attractive to me, but very sexually aggressive and made no secret of the fact they were trying to 'do' me. |
| 03:06.49 | bleeter | with some creative design, one could strategically place the 'o' |
| 03:06.51 | Cairenn | I wear a ladies size 8 in jeans |
| 03:06.54 | Thunder_Child | hmm..maybe WoWI and Cairenn |
| 03:07.12 | Cairenn | wants to get back to wearing a 4 |
| 03:07.13 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I'll have to try not to dissapoint |
| 03:07.16 | Seerah | MMO UI |
| 03:07.19 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 03:07.19 | purl | turns bleeter into a lifesized tux doll |
| 03:07.30 | bleeter | wtf kinda lart is that?? |
| 03:07.32 | Lunessa | So, at a party at the last Con I was an organizer for, I took off my pants and handed them to them (had bike pants on underneath) and told them "Here, at long last you can get into my pants." and went home. |
| 03:07.53 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:08.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: email away |
| 03:08.32 | Lunessa | Thanks. |
| 03:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank you - as someone who hates healbot, I can't imagine your frustration ;) |
| 03:09.14 | Lunessa | I don't ever have it installed. But run minion and BANG there it is. |
| 03:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll see what can be done about fixing that |
| 03:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | healbot /seems/ to be a common one that magically pops up |
| 03:09.46 | Lunessa | Cairenn: These days I wouldn't do that. I was younger, thinner, and had hair then. :) |
| 03:09.54 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 03:10.48 | Lunessa | And jeans cost more now. |
| 03:12.46 | Tem | Can someone explain to me why some jeans are 100 dollars? |
| 03:12.55 | Tem | that makes like negative sense to me |
| 03:12.56 | Thunder_Child | brand name |
| 03:12.59 | End | to get 100 dollars out of your pocket |
| 03:15.32 | Arrowmaster | $100 for jeans? |
| 03:15.36 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 03:15.54 | Lunessa | For the right jeans ( A/C, Broadband internet, and a bimbo) I could see paying $100 but ... meh |
| 03:17.25 | Arrowmaster | ill admit to having multiple pairs of pants ive paid over $50 for but they arent plain jeans and the brand had nothing to do with the price |
| 03:17.53 | Arrowmaster | i just cant see anybody paying that much for jeans |
| 03:18.03 | sacarasc | Most I've paid for trousers is about £15. |
| 03:18.17 | sacarasc | And usually it's under £5. |
| 03:18.32 | Cairenn | which is ~ $25-30 USD |
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| 03:22.16 | Wobin | bleeter: Is it just me, or do you read UteGate as Utgarde =P |
| 03:23.11 | bleeter | Wobin: hah, now that you mention it, I'll probably forget the failure to call it 'tailgate' |
| 03:24.39 | Tem | oh man |
| 03:24.59 | Tem | listening to the coliseum sound files |
| 03:25.06 | Tem | makes me want to faction change asap |
| 03:25.09 | Tem | fuck the alliance |
| 03:25.20 | Tem | s/the alliance/varian wrynn/ |
| 03:25.32 | kd3 | is he worse of a douche than garrosh? |
| 03:26.08 | Tem | not really I guess |
| 03:26.46 | Tem | but garrosh isn't the king |
| 03:26.51 | Tem | he's just the lackey |
| 03:28.17 | Thunder_Child | blizz fails at a moderate HDD R/W use |
| 03:29.37 | Shirik | wow, that's kinda cool |
| 03:29.44 | Shirik | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT, arg2 = SPELL_INSTAKILL |
| 03:30.07 | Shirik | it also hurt |
| 03:30.07 | ScytheBlade1 | senses that would be used for spell #5 |
| 03:30.13 | kd3 | that's when the lich king does his instakill in the script event back in HF |
| 03:30.14 | Shirik | it came from flame leviathan |
| 03:30.21 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:30.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5 |
| 03:30.28 | Shirik | spell 68168 |
| 03:30.55 | Shirik | assuming arg5 is spell id |
| 03:30.56 | Shirik | I think it is |
| 03:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=68168 |
| 03:31.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So.. no? |
| 03:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't typo that, did I/ |
| 03:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | *? |
| 03:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 03:31.39 | Lunessa | Ok, going home. See you later. |
| 03:31.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cya |
| 03:32.18 | Fisker | slaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:32.45 | kd3 | damn it... why does work send emails with links that only work in the intranet? |
| 03:33.10 | Tem | Shirik, were you wiping on FL |
| 03:33.11 | Tem | ? |
| 03:33.26 | Shirik | depends on how you define wiping |
| 03:33.41 | Shirik | sec, on FL |
| 03:34.00 | Tem | if the instakill is what I think it is, yes, definitely a wipe |
| 03:34.21 | Tem | (I think it's the moonfires he spams when there aren't any more vehicles to target) |
| 03:34.31 | Fisker | it bugs sometimes |
| 03:34.51 | Fisker | Atleast we had an issue where he just killed us all after a pull |
| 03:35.04 | Fisker | Even though we weren't on the other side of the force field |
| 03:35.13 | Fisker | (infact hadn't even spawned at that point :E) |
| 03:35.28 | Tem | lol |
| 03:36.16 | Shirik | Tem: Anyway, yeah |
| 03:36.19 | Shirik | the "wipe" was |
| 03:36.23 | Shirik | we zoned in after a wipe |
| 03:36.26 | Shirik | and he was like "k pz!" |
| 03:36.29 | Wobin | Varian Wrynn is an arse |
| 03:36.33 | Tem | why are you wiping to FL? |
| 03:36.36 | Shirik | literally 10 of us dead at the door |
| 03:36.36 | Tem | like, seriously |
| 03:36.37 | Shirik | 4 towers up |
| 03:36.40 | Tem | and? |
| 03:36.45 | Shirik | AND FU |
| 03:36.45 | Tem | we oneshot that tonight |
| 03:36.50 | Shirik | it will be server first if we get it |
| 03:36.51 | Shirik | I don't care |
| 03:36.55 | Tem | wow really? |
| 03:37.02 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:37.07 | Tem | your server doesn't have a FL4 kill yet? |
| 03:37.12 | Shirik | and we just got server first yogg like 2 weeks ago |
| 03:37.14 | Shirik | so fu |
| 03:37.16 | Tem | oh wow |
| 03:37.33 | Tem | I wonder why some servers get that far behind |
| 03:37.34 | Shirik | and my driver sucks |
| 03:37.41 | Tem | I was a demo driver tonight |
| 03:37.42 | Shirik | lack of selection |
| 03:37.45 | Tem | 200k dps is fun |
| 03:38.10 | Tem | do you guys have any other hard modes down? |
| 03:38.13 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 03:38.14 | Shirik | and I have 36s |
| 03:38.15 | Shirik | wow |
| 03:38.16 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:38.19 | Shirik | yeah a bunch |
| 03:38.21 | Fisker | we did FL 4 Tower weeks ago |
| 03:38.21 | Fisker | hoho |
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| 03:38.34 | Fisker | it's pretty easy infact |
| 03:38.39 | Fisker | we even did it on 25 man with retards :3 |
| 03:38.43 | Shirik | think the ones we're missing are |
| 03:38.56 | Tem | Freya, Mimiron, Vezax, Yogg? |
| 03:39.00 | Shirik | IC (we did medium) |
| 03:39.00 | Shirik | did freya |
| 03:39.08 | Shirik | those three, I think |
| 03:39.08 | Tem | you ahve Freya 3 tree? |
| 03:39.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:39.24 | Tem | wow no one on my server has that yet |
| 03:39.36 | Tem | we're at 2 trees |
| 03:39.42 | Tem | not looking forward to the third |
| 03:40.07 | Tem | so Mimiron, Steelbreaker, Vezax, Yogg? |
| 03:44.18 | Shirik | yay |
| 03:44.19 | Shirik | gg FL |
| 03:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Man, it's kinda funny just how much dimming monitor/laptop displays can help a migraine |
| 03:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That and killing the blinking wifi light on my laptop |
| 03:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | die die die die die |
| 03:46.02 | Thunder_Child | hmm..why the hell do mobos top out @ 6 sata ports on average |
| 03:46.08 | kd3 | yay for a little electrical tape to cover up leds you don't want to see? |
| 03:46.19 | kd3 | tc; no freaking joke. I could use a few more... |
| 03:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: Four HDs, two optical drives |
| 03:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Though mine actually has 7 |
| 03:46.39 | Thunder_Child | i have 5 HD's and 1 optical |
| 03:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have a PCI SATA card with five more, if I need them |
| 03:46.45 | Thunder_Child | and want to get 2 more HD's |
| 03:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: you're kind of a.. relatively unique case, though ;) |
| 03:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: iirc, you have more hard drives than some people have teeth |
| 03:48.27 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:48.30 | Shirik | 4 is typically the max a consumer-level raid controller can handle |
| 03:48.37 | kd3 | at least I've still got some space left on this raid |
| 03:48.51 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: ich10 southbridge only has 6 sata ports, and to add more it would mean the mobo would have to sacrifice pci-e paths, which all the latest motherboards only care about how many pci-e 16x slots they can fit for sli |
| 03:49.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just glad I invested in a pair of 500GB drives a good year+ ago. Worth every penny |
| 03:49.09 | Shirik | because sli is so important |
| 03:49.44 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, the one i am going to get is unusal in the fact that it only has 2 instead of three....so why cant it have more damit! |
| 03:49.58 | Thunder_Child | 3 pci-e spots* |
| 03:50.05 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:X58_Block_Diagram.png |
| 03:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Though my motherboard is kinda funky |
| 03:50.16 | Arrowmaster | are you looking at an x58 board? |
| 03:50.26 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 03:50.31 | Thunder_Child | PCI Express 2.0 x16 3 (@ x16/x16/x4 mode) |
| 03:50.31 | Thunder_Child | PCI Express x1 1 |
| 03:50.31 | Thunder_Child | PCI Slots 2 |
| 03:50.31 | Arrowmaster | see that diagram |
| 03:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It has 6 SATA ports through the default controller, and then a 7th through the ATA controller |
| 03:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Two different drivers needed to enable all of my SATA ports |
| 03:50.57 | Arrowmaster | the ata controller uses up a pci-e pathway |
| 03:51.33 | Arrowmaster | if it has a ieee1394 then thats another pci-e pathway |
| 03:51.55 | Thunder_Child | ya it does...damit! |
| 03:52.05 | Arrowmaster | if it doesnt use an intel network chipset then theres more pci-e pathways |
| 03:53.14 | Shirik | shoulda been a cowboy |
| 03:54.08 | Arrowmaster | that diagram i linked might be out of date, im perty sure the latest x58 boards have more pci-e pathways than the first ones did, but i think that might have been because most of the first ones were just x48 boards modified for the x58 |
| 03:55.08 | kd3 | wahahaha... fark: "Hundreds of dolphins appear in Long Island Sound, delighting the oblivious guido boaters who have no idea the Vogons are about to destroy the planet [Spiffy]" |
| 03:55.19 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 03:55.23 | Fisker | you're a bad man |
| 03:55.40 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyA2n6b6WiU |
| 03:58.43 | Fisker | i hate you Shirik |
| 03:59.02 | Thunder_Child | i like that cases come with large fans but i am unhappy that these fans are so hard to find |
| 03:59.42 | Fisker | but i hate Shirik |
| 04:00.49 | Fisker | hates Shirik |
| 04:01.13 | kd3 | what else is new? |
| 04:01.38 | Fisker | idk my wnf Shirik ? |
| 04:01.42 | Thunder_Child | "[09:00] Garbage collected: 0.55 kb, 5 attempts were made to collect garbage, loading took 49.85 seconds" |
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| 04:04.01 | Shirik | huh? |
| 04:06.09 | Fisker | i hate you |
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| 04:09.09 | Fisker | wonders if Shirik knows he is hated by Fisker :o |
| 04:16.20 | Thunder_Child | no Fisker he does not, it's because you are too subtle |
| 04:17.55 | Thunder_Child | i hope the patch coems out soon so i can stop riding around on my welfare mount |
| 04:21.51 | Thunder_Child | hmm..which would have more CFM. a 230mm fan @ 800rpm or a 140mm fan @ 1900rpm? |
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| 04:24.18 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go calculate |
| 04:25.22 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 04:25.24 | Shirik | I'm not an AE |
| 04:25.34 | Shirik | though I have an ME in my house |
| 04:25.36 | Shirik | want me to ask him? |
| 04:25.45 | Thunder_Child | i know ME EE and CE, whats an AE? |
| 04:25.50 | Shirik | aerospace engineer |
| 04:25.52 | kd3 | aerospace |
| 04:25.52 | Thunder_Child | aerospace? |
| 04:26.11 | Thunder_Child | na i just wanted to bother you |
| 04:28.45 | ZorbaTHut | can anyone tell me if the PTR is up? I can't connect but I'm having weird network issues anyway |
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| 04:29.09 | Fisker | btw |
| 04:29.18 | Fisker | herro |
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| 04:31.11 | Lunessa | station my excellent friends. |
| 04:31.19 | Fisker | You |
| 04:31.34 | sacarasc | Fisker: Dance for me, like you used to. |
| 04:32.16 | Fisker | no |
| 04:32.21 | Fisker | not until i get lan back in sc2 |
| 04:34.58 | Thunder_Child | soon my young padawan |
| 04:35.06 | Thunder_Child | or you can go work for blizzard and play now |
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| 04:36.58 | Shirik | Lunessa, I have to ask |
| 04:37.01 | Shirik | what IS "station" |
| 04:37.33 | sacarasc | It's where you get buses or trains. |
| 04:37.48 | Fisker | wrong |
| 04:38.35 | Shirik | so battle station is like a bus with turrets? |
| 04:38.43 | sacarasc | Yes. |
| 04:38.46 | Shirik | awesome |
| 04:38.49 | Shirik | I need one of those |
| 04:39.20 | Thunder_Child | incorrect Shirik |
| 04:39.40 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, help me with my lightroom addin |
| 04:39.47 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 04:39.49 | ZorbaTHut | nobody around who can test the PTR real fast? |
| 04:40.08 | Shirik | I want to link Lightroom and DA |
| 04:40.39 | Thunder_Child | you mean via the ftp? |
| 04:41.02 | Shirik | well in particular what _I_ want to do is update one of the custom panels on my page automatically |
| 04:41.04 | Shirik | but sure |
| 04:41.27 | kd3 | yay, it's july. the year's half over already |
| 04:41.27 | kd3 | wtf |
| 04:41.37 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 04:41.39 | Shirik | That's bad |
| 04:41.45 | Shirik | something's supposed to happen on july 1 |
| 04:41.48 | Shirik | and I can't remember what |
| 04:42.00 | Thunder_Child | update the what now? |
| 04:42.04 | Fisker | sc2beta? |
| 04:42.08 | kd3 | it's our administrix's national holiday? |
| 04:42.18 | Shirik | oh but I have to work 12 hour days this week |
| 04:42.18 | Shirik | wheeeeee |
| 04:45.51 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, going to have to work on what you want in a bit seeing as how i have the ptr patcher going and wow |
| 04:46.21 | Thunder_Child | my computer isnt all that happy with me atm |
| 04:46.21 | Shirik | well I don't even know if what I want to do is possible |
| 04:46.33 | Thunder_Child | to be fair it does not sound like it |
| 04:46.38 | Shirik | but I'm in project analysis phase right now - just figuring out requirements, etc. |
| 04:46.43 | Shirik | based off my research so far, it doesn't seem so |
| 04:46.59 | Shirik | unless they give me access to require(), etc. |
| 04:47.21 | Thunder_Child | dont you have to manually enter in the info and accept anyway? |
| 04:47.38 | Shirik | for now, yes |
| 04:48.44 | Thunder_Child | umm...when are you never going to have to enter it manually? when it can read your mind? |
| 04:49.08 | Shirik | enter what? |
| 04:49.17 | Thunder_Child | info about the image |
| 04:49.17 | Shirik | what are we talking about? |
| 04:49.23 | Shirik | I thought we were talking about my workflow block |
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| 04:50.47 | Thunder_Child | uh, what i understoof was that you wanted to up pics to DA automagically |
| 04:50.53 | Bhavic1 | Anyone know the name of the mod where it shows cooldowns for spells |
| 04:51.40 | Thunder_Child | Bhavic1, you are going to have to be a bit more specific than that |
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| 04:52.06 | Bhavic1 | Well, it shows the cooldown remaining in seconds |
| 04:52.17 | Bhavic1 | Bah, I forgot it..It's on the tip of my tounge. |
| 04:52.21 | Thunder_Child | there are many but Cooldowns is one |
| 04:53.42 | Bhavic1 | ok thank |
| 04:53.43 | Bhavic1 | s |
| 04:54.16 | Shirik | Bhavic1: Probably OmniCC |
| 04:54.29 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Yes, that too |
| 04:54.33 | Shirik | but I was going to start with something simple |
| 04:54.38 | Bhavic1 | AH YES |
| 04:54.43 | Bhavic1 | Thanks!! |
| 04:55.11 | Thunder_Child | simple? i couldnt even follow your explination |
| 04:55.35 | Shirik | that's because it's not well defined yet |
| 04:55.48 | Shirik | but basically I want to produce my little "Workflow Status" block automatically |
| 04:55.57 | Shirik | maybe every time I start up Lightroom or something |
| 04:56.19 | Thunder_Child | ok, what is a "Workflow Status"? |
| 04:56.25 | Shirik | go look! |
| 04:56.33 | Thunder_Child | i cant atm, i said that |
| 04:57.10 | Shirik | ok well I use the tools in lightroom to track my workflow |
| 04:57.25 | Shirik | sec |
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| 05:01.06 | Shirik | anyway, so I have a few smart collections defined to track the status of that workflow |
| 05:04.17 | Thunder_Child | ok, launching LR |
| 05:04.32 | Shirik | ok sorry |
| 05:04.38 | Shirik | anyway, so I defined those smart collections |
| 05:05.10 | Shirik | and so right now I can open LR and it will says "Flaw in Workflow: 0" "Flagged for Review: 70" "Flagged for Processing: 3" "Ready for DA: 1" |
| 05:06.03 | Wobin | http://www.samparkour.com.br/default.asp?hd=1 |
| 05:10.44 | Wobin | also, ahaha, http://community.livejournal.com/mock_the_stupid/3195429.html?style=mine#cutid1 |
| 05:12.24 | Shirik | ok screw that Wobin |
| 05:12.42 | Shirik | I buffered just enough for me to watch all the splash screens |
| 05:12.44 | Shirik | and then stopped every second after that |
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| 05:15.09 | Thunder_Child | i'm not sure you can Shirik, the SDK does not allow for that |
| 05:15.16 | Shirik | exactly my problem |
| 05:17.08 | Kraps | someone in my guild just got http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=227 in ulduar :o |
| 05:17.43 | Wobin | Shirik: odd, happened to me the first time, but second time it streamed seamlessly |
| 05:19.32 | Wobin | I can't afford to keep eating out this giraffe |
| 05:20.03 | Thunder_Child | uhh... |
| 05:22.05 | Thunder_Child | note to self: Wobin is a zoophile |
| 05:22.19 | Wobin | who also reads xkcd |
| 05:22.39 | Thunder_Child | i do sometimes, but i have been lazy |
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| 05:35.22 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: #wowuidev-commits keeps getting spammed |
| 05:36.31 | Cairenn | banned that addy, will see how it goes |
| 05:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | zzzzz |
| 05:38.14 | Cairenn | thanks for the heads up :) |
| 05:39.37 | AnduinLothar | rofl. you can now list your WoW main character in your /. Profile |
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| 05:40.34 | Arrowmaster | AnduinLothar: way to be months behind |
| 05:41.07 | AnduinLothar | better than years! |
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| 05:49.10 | Lunessa | time to make the donuts |
| 05:50.05 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Ever use the "dim lights" feature in LR? |
| 05:50.27 | Shirik | this thing has too many toys to play with |
| 05:50.33 | Shirik | screw photoshop :P |
| 05:50.34 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 05:50.37 | Shirik | I'm having fun here |
| 05:50.55 | Shirik | I just found it, it's pretty useful |
| 05:50.57 | Iriel | Shirik: I've used it, yes |
| 05:51.05 | Thunder_Child | i did as you are doing and went thorugh and played with all the toys...then ignored most of them |
| 05:51.16 | Shirik | had a shot I didn't really like until I got rid of all the other stuff around it |
| 05:54.01 | Lunessa | What is the wonderful toy? |
| 05:54.43 | Shirik | The only thing that bugs me about LR so far is I don't think it gives me enough control over the tone curve |
| 05:54.46 | Shirik | it's too simplified |
| 05:55.01 | Shirik | (I realize that's the idea, but still) |
| 06:00.22 | Cairenn|afk | buono notte |
| 06:00.34 | Shirik | no Cairenn|afk :( |
| 06:00.36 | Shirik | stay with us |
| 06:00.49 | Cairenn|afk | falling asleep here at keys |
| 06:05.56 | Shirik | wtb faster upload to DA |
| 06:06.29 | Thunder_Child | are you using the ftp? |
| 06:08.44 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:10.34 | Shirik | no |
| 06:11.12 | Fisker | yes |
| 06:11.19 | Fisker | what can you do to stop me? |
| 06:11.26 | Shirik | not you fool |
| 06:11.31 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:11.51 | Thunder_Child | i think it mught be faster |
| 06:11.55 | Thunder_Child | might* |
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| 06:12.39 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 06:15.46 | bluspacecow | ?? |
| 06:15.59 | bluspacecow | 3.1.3.9947-0.2.0.10048.diff |
| 06:16.05 | bluspacecow | CastRandomManager |
| 06:16.10 | bluspacecow | ExecuteCastRandom |
| 06:16.19 | bluspacecow | did they change how CastRandom works ?? |
| 06:16.41 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:16.59 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? how ? |
| 06:18.21 | zenzio | people kept whining about the game being too RNG-based, so they changed cast-random to not be random anymore |
| 06:18.41 | Arrowmaster | perty sure its not abusable now |
| 06:19.31 | Fisker | you're always abusable Arrowmaster |
| 06:19.31 | Fisker | :3 |
| 06:19.41 | bluspacecow | codes there in the diff file |
| 06:19.47 | Arrowmaster | the result from the random call is saved and only cleared on UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 06:19.51 | bluspacecow | if anyones interested in taking a look at it |
| 06:20.27 | Arrowmaster | so no more spamming a /castrandom |
| 06:23.05 | bluspacecow | is it related to the stickie about proc mechanics not working good ? |
| 06:23.15 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031100345&sid=1 |
| 06:23.46 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:23.46 | Shirik | well* |
| 06:23.48 | Shirik | and no |
| 06:24.17 | Arrowmaster | its related to people making macros like /castrandom execute, mortal strike |
| 06:24.22 | Arrowmaster | and just spamming that macro |
| 06:24.35 | Shirik | good change imo |
| 06:24.38 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 06:24.42 | bluspacecow | eg /castrandom Scourge Strike, Blood Strike |
| 06:24.49 | Shirik | in all honesty I don't really get the point of /castrandom in the first place |
| 06:24.54 | Shirik | maybe for mounts? |
| 06:24.57 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 06:25.02 | Arrowmaster | but for combat spells it has no use |
| 06:25.25 | bluspacecow | .... is there a "portal to blasted lands" anywhere in the patch notes ? |
| 06:25.32 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:28.05 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Tell me how to make DA spell Favorites correctly please |
| 06:28.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it is spelled correclt |
| 06:28.17 | Thunder_Child | y |
| 06:28.18 | End | sure it has use for combat spells |
| 06:28.20 | Thunder_Child | correctly* |
| 06:28.21 | End | polymorph :P |
| 06:28.23 | Shirik | no it's not :P |
| 06:28.26 | Shirik | I ain't no brit |
| 06:28.30 | Shirik | I'm a good old-fashion american |
| 06:28.35 | Thunder_Child | and that is not your site |
| 06:28.45 | End | one of our mages has a castrandom with all her polymorph spells |
| 06:28.45 | Thunder_Child | so stop kvetching |
| 06:28.47 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:28.55 | Shirik | ~dict kvetch |
| 06:29.03 | Arrowmaster | End: that is the only use |
| 06:29.17 | Shirik | I will express complaints, discontent, displeasure, or unhappiness all I want! |
| 06:29.26 | Thunder_Child | bah! |
| 06:29.38 | End | well |
| 06:29.41 | End | that might be true |
| 06:29.42 | End | :P |
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| 06:47.31 | Thunder_Child | "FTW! A common acronym used by gamers which means: For the Win. But do they know where FTW was derived from and how long it has been in use? The phrase actually started back in the 70s with the popular game show Hollywood Squares, when a contestant was positive that he was going to beat his opponent he (she) would say For the Win, which was later made an acronym FTW." |
| 06:50.34 | Fisker | fuck the women? |
| 06:50.35 | Fisker | hoho |
| 06:52.07 | bluspacecow | ~fish Fisker |
| 06:52.07 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around with a large trout |
| 06:52.44 | Thunder_Child | ~cheeseslap Fisker |
| 06:52.44 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around with a wheel of rocquefort |
| 06:56.27 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* now i have to buy a 120hz monitor as well damit! |
| 06:56.30 | Fisker | riiiiiiiiight? |
| 06:56.53 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: why? |
| 06:57.10 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_Main.html |
| 06:57.16 | tekkub | should I even offer 1H frills to holy pallies? |
| 06:57.28 | tekkub | or expect they'll only take a shield for chant, or a 2H |
| 06:57.35 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: its not that great |
| 06:57.36 | zenzio | is that another version of 3D glasses that just shut out one eye at a time; offseting the actual rendering on screen? |
| 06:57.37 | bluspacecow | idk tekkub |
| 06:57.43 | bluspacecow | they're fruity enough as it is |
| 06:57.49 | bluspacecow | you want to add lace to their armour ? |
| 06:58.05 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, i dont think so since it cuts the fps in half |
| 06:58.08 | tekkub | you're not helping :P |
| 06:58.15 | Thunder_Child | thats why it requires a 120hz |
| 06:58.36 | bluspacecow | <---- has visions of his pally guild mates in the army ....wearing womens lingere when they tank |
| 06:58.36 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: without reading the page, it sounds just like the old ones that worked like I described |
| 06:58.49 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: thats exactly what it does, 60fps running at 120hz because each frame is rendered twice |
| 06:59.00 | End | lol http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20030708-2.gif |
| 06:59.06 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: 3d shutter glasses have been around for 10+ years |
| 06:59.09 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I have that |
| 06:59.16 | Arrowmaster | i have some too |
| 06:59.18 | Arrowmaster | they suck |
| 06:59.29 | Iriel | They finally fixed the flicker problem |
| 06:59.40 | bluspacecow | hi Iriel |
| 06:59.44 | Iriel | These are nothing like the ones from N years ago |
| 06:59.47 | Arrowmaster | yes by using 120hz displays |
| 06:59.48 | zenzio | I tried some years back, they were horrible. But I imagine the technology has improved a bit |
| 07:00.39 | Arrowmaster | the problem is that everybody moved from crt to lcd so the 3d shutter glasses got setback waiting for lcds to get to the high refresh rates that crts were in the past before their decline |
| 07:01.16 | Arrowmaster | they are still going to be horrible for any game that doesnt have very specific support for it like WoW does |
| 07:01.30 | Arrowmaster | in any FPS they wont work well |
| 07:02.15 | Iriel | They work better than you might think on many things, btu it does help if the developers thought about it |
| 07:02.16 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, list of games that do http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_3D_Games.html |
| 07:02.53 | Arrowmaster | especially since the old drivers 10 years ago tried to make them work with FPSs by replacing crosshairs with more of a projected laser dot, which now a days with all the anti cheating stuff could get you in trouble if the game doesnt have specific support for the glasses |
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| 07:16.30 | Jamash | aha, I has found the mysterious totem bars, they're at page = NUM_ACTIONBAR_PAGES + GetMultiCastBarOffset() |
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| 07:52.23 | Thunder_Child | interesting, though i do not have an authenticator for my main acct it is still connected to the ptr |
| 07:53.43 | Fisker | how is this interesting? |
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| 08:04.29 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, hmm? |
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| 08:19.43 | Fisker | indeed Thunder_Child |
| 08:20.35 | bleeter | it's not... easy.. being green |
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| 08:23.49 | msou| | rom where o you get the quest for darkmoon nobles deck |
| 08:23.53 | msou| | from |
| 08:24.07 | Arrowmaster | from the deck |
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| 08:24.18 | msou| | what deck |
| 08:25.15 | Fisker | actually it's easy as hell bleeter |
| 08:27.38 | bleeter | msou|: get the deck, 'on use: this item starts a quest' |
| 08:28.02 | bleeter | msou|: how to get the deck? collect the cards |
| 08:28.08 | bleeter | or buy it |
| 08:28.53 | msou| | bleeter: I would have gotten it if I knew from where, just read from diff zones terokkar is one of 'em |
| 08:29.04 | msou| | yeah buying it is probably a lot easier |
| 08:29.15 | msou| | buy the quest item you mean right |
| 08:29.24 | bleeter | msou|: what you're seeing there is what zone people where in when they activated the deck |
| 08:29.34 | msou| | oh |
| 08:30.16 | bleeter | scribes can make cards somehow, too |
| 08:30.34 | bleeter | i think it's some random type thing, so paying a scribe to make the deck might be very expensive.. or not |
| 08:30.44 | msou| | what's the name of that item again so I can wtb it |
| 08:31.07 | msou| | you know how much does it cost in AH? |
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| 08:31.44 | ZorbaTHut | msou, 5k or so, depending on server |
| 08:31.47 | ZorbaTHut | Nobles Deck |
| 08:32.17 | msou| | oi, pretty expensive, I spent on the ring more actually |
| 08:32.19 | msou| | 7800 |
| 08:32.50 | bleeter | http://us.auctioneerdb.com/?q=44326 |
| 08:32.53 | msou| | oh by the way, have you got the error I posted yesterday? |
| 08:32.56 | msou| | sec |
| 08:33.27 | msou| | dunno if it is possible to search pastebin |
| 08:34.10 | msou| | thanks bleeter, still expensive :/ |
| 08:34.31 | msou| | I just got my mining maxed, working on bs true pain |
| 08:34.35 | msou| | 264 |
| 08:39.00 | bleeter | msou|: well the stats say seen bids start at 3.5k, you might get lucky |
| 08:39.30 | msou| | possibly yeah |
| 08:39.48 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 08:39.49 | bleeter | msou|: you could try dating a scribe |
| 08:39.56 | msou| | haha |
| 08:40.24 | msou| | I actually started a mage yesterday and picked JC/inscrib for him as professions |
| 08:40.53 | msou| | you know players started to ask for stats for doing heroics lately |
| 08:41.18 | msou| | once he tells me for old kingdom for instance I laugh and ignore imediately |
| 08:42.41 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaTHut around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:42.47 | Wobin | http://kotaku.com/5303417/a-team-fortress-2-tribute-to-billy-mays |
| 08:42.55 | msou| | I think my expertise still need a lot of work |
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| 08:44.41 | luc2 | hello |
| 08:44.52 | luc2 | i'm back with my stupid questions |
| 08:45.44 | luc2 | so, to detect a guildmate has connected, the only way is to catch GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE ? |
| 08:47.41 | ZorbaTHut | msou, I've heard of people insisting that you can't do heroics without ilvl213 gear |
| 08:48.12 | Wobin | http://j-walkblog.com/images2/catcatchesbat.gif |
| 08:48.20 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: it's getting worse and worse by the day =) |
| 08:50.05 | Kalroth | You'll want to avoid parties/raids where the leader asks for stats/achievements, because it means he lacks them himself and need someone else to make up for it. |
| 08:50.27 | Industrial | just dont pug |
| 08:50.31 | Fisker | i am credit to team btw Wobin |
| 08:51.21 | msou| | Kalroth: exactly, I am doing things solo now I play with random heroics had to leave the guild. was too much drama |
| 08:51.52 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, amen to that |
| 08:52.11 | msou| | I do my 23-5 dailies, fly around and farm sarinoite titanium etc =) |
| 08:53.18 | msou| | trying to get that pvp set now |
| 08:53.34 | msou| | got the cloak/wrist cause I couldn't get any better ones from naxx and the like |
| 08:55.02 | msou| | deadly or hateful cannot remember |
| 08:57.55 | airtonix | i like to print in fake achievements for ulduar on my lvl1 bank when people start stating achievement links for standard 10naxx are required to get into 10naxx |
| 08:58.17 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.20 | msou| | is why I am doing things solo lately |
| 08:59.36 | msou| | level up an alt, pick a profession and dailies |
| 08:59.56 | msou| | I do naxx today or next year it doesn't matter anymore |
| 09:00.29 | msou| | and luckily they're bringing new wep/mounts to tournament that should spice things a bit |
| 09:00.44 | msou| | and wg to complete deadly gladiator set |
| 09:01.15 | bleeter | airtonix: I've been meaning to get around to discovering how to fake achievements (if possible)... '/trade LF cure for [Swine Flu][Outbreak]' is getting old :( |
| 09:03.06 | bleeter | airtonix: which was a sly way of asking if you have such a /script, don't hesitate to /msg me with it 'coz ima lazyass :P |
| 09:05.30 | airtonix | has anyone got any info on aion and wether they will be providing an interface api? |
| 09:06.05 | Taroven | airtonix: Probably not, knowing the dev team. |
| 09:06.17 | airtonix | google returns mountains of QQ about evil addons |
| 09:09.33 | Taroven | airtonix: http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/4577-suggestion-cycle-1-winner-cui-mod.html |
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| 09:16.18 | airtonix | ugh licensed modding in aion...why even consider it? |
| 09:16.51 | airtonix | bbl |
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| 09:52.52 | Taroven | ~seen Caellian |
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| 10:00.17 | zenzio | so I'm looking at a piece of code I wrote a while ago, and I can't work out what this line was meant to accomplish... "[self setMode:[self getMode]];" |
| 10:02.01 | Grum | we cant even figure out the language! |
| 10:02.06 | Grum | appears to be .... tcl? :D |
| 10:02.10 | zenzio | Objective-C |
| 10:02.56 | Taroven | That... seems to be setting the mode of something to what it already was? o.0. |
| 10:03.03 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, "make really sure that it's set properly" |
| 10:03.14 | zenzio | Taroven: that's what I was thinking too |
| 10:03.31 | bleeter | Dolby: in the 'your fave has updated' email, could you add the version # to the subject, so I can just tell at a glance without having to open the mail? :) |
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| 10:04.49 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know when the PTR is generally up? |
| 10:05.12 | bleeter | Soon(TM) |
| 10:05.15 | Jrdcl | When doing a 'for i' loop, should i be declared as a local, or is it inherent due to the for loop? |
| 10:05.21 | Taroven | So... looking for a new font for my unitframes. HALP |
| 10:05.59 | Taroven | Looking for an allcaps font that looks something like a pixelfont with rounded edges >.> |
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| 10:07.41 | haste | Jrdcl: it's local due to the loop |
| 10:08.15 | haste | Jrdcl: it's also set for every iteration |
| 10:08.33 | Jrdcl | Alright, so I don't need a 'local i' before it, wanted to be sure so as not to generate needless garbage |
| 10:09.13 | haste | you would only generate a global, and not exactly garbage |
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| 13:05.20 | bleeter | Dagmar: you know how you were telling me I had to sell the star wars kid if he started saying 'meesa', i've been informed by his mum that he seriously hates those films so there's no chance ;) |
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| 13:19.37 | Lopeppeppy | thinks that her client sucks today. |
| 13:27.05 | Cruciformer | hello everyone |
| 13:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 13:47.13 | alestane | http://www.gocomics.com/heartofthecity/2009/07/01/ |
| 13:47.21 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 13:48.03 | alestane | No? |
| 13:48.08 | Lopeppeppy | Won't. |
| 13:48.15 | Lopeppeppy | (having a toddler moment) |
| 13:48.49 | alestane | It has kitties.... |
| 13:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | My kitty is bestest. |
| 13:50.13 | Fisker | no mine |
| 13:50.13 | Cruciformer | thats actually quite cute alestane :) |
| 13:51.15 | Fisker | i'm raging btw |
| 13:52.33 | haste | the cat here does that all the time |
| 13:52.58 | haste | it likes to sleep on warm surfaces for some reason :p |
| 13:53.07 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra doesn't sit on me, she likes to be near me and watch me though. |
| 13:54.41 | Cruciformer | Tammy is much the same way ... but when I am snuggled under my tv blanket she loves to sit right next to me and bother me when Im trying to watch telly. |
| 13:55.23 | Lopeppeppy | Is not "bothering" is "companionship" and "sharing resources" ! :) |
| 13:55.34 | Cruciformer | Tsk. My bad. |
| 13:56.17 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/604/ |
| 13:57.05 | Arrowmaster | "(haste) it likes to sleep on warm surfaces for some reason :p" i used to know somebody that had a cat that liked to sleep ontop of his CRT monitor, unfortunetly the cat tended to roll off the monitor while asleep |
| 13:57.28 | alestane | Off the front, or off the back? |
| 13:57.43 | zenzelezz | News flash: all cats love to sleep on warm surfaces |
| 13:57.45 | Arrowmaster | both i think, but i know the front for sure |
| 13:58.02 | haste | one of the cats here like to sleep under the "fireplace" during winter |
| 13:58.02 | alestane | If it not for sits, why it made of warm? |
| 13:58.45 | zenzelezz | alestane: awesome picture |
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| 14:00.15 | zenzelezz | that + "if i fits in it, i sits in it" pretty much define cat behaviour |
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| 14:02.00 | Cruciformer | I thought the defining characteristi of cat behaviour was their sense of ownership. "This is my world, its all about me. I enjoy letting you into it when it suits me for warmth, food or a good chin-scratch but dont ever forget you are a guest and 'Right of admission strictly reserved'" |
| 14:04.27 | alestane | "To a dog, you're one of the family; to a cat, you're one of the staff." |
| 14:04.40 | Cruciformer | heh nicely put. |
| 14:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | "If I don't fits in it, I sits in it anyway, until the sides give out." |
| 14:05.37 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/14/funny-pictures-think-about-hoomins/ |
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| 14:11.44 | alestane | Awesome track: http://ocrmirror.org/Final_Fantasy_6_The_Hot_Pink_of_Blues_OC_ReMix.mp3 |
| 14:26.19 | Wobin | ugh |
| 14:26.24 | Wobin | my Repair.exe just crashed =P |
| 14:26.50 | alestane | I've seen that happen occasionally. |
| 14:27.13 | nicoli_s | i have never had that thing actually repair my wow install before |
| 14:27.24 | nicoli_s | just say "theres a problem, reinstall" |
| 14:27.27 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 14:27.31 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:27.35 | Wobin | I'm going to have to repatch |
| 14:27.35 | bluspacecow | i have a mac |
| 14:27.42 | bluspacecow | my repair is "copy from backup" |
| 14:27.55 | Cruciformer | its worked for me once or twice. a few times it rolled me back to like 3.0 and I had to reinstall all the patches. |
| 14:28.02 | Wobin | this ^ =( |
| 14:28.02 | bluspacecow | 15GB over firewire doesn't take lomng |
| 14:28.27 | Wobin | It kinda scares me that the game is -that- big =P |
| 14:28.38 | bluspacecow | pfft |
| 14:28.43 | Wobin | Remember Under A Killing Moon? |
| 14:28.43 | bluspacecow | 15gb is just the PTR |
| 14:28.54 | Wobin | That was on MULTIPLE CDs |
| 14:28.57 | Wobin | and it was COOL |
| 14:29.03 | bluspacecow | "its only a paper moon , hanging under a muslin sky ...." |
| 14:30.01 | Wobin | I'm going to shift the install to a different phyiscal drive |
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| 14:39.55 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 14:40.04 | Shirik | copy current WoW install to hard drive, or download installer? |
| 14:40.32 | Wobin | former |
| 14:40.45 | Lopeppeppy | If the current is up to date and error free, copy it baby. Soooooooo much quicker. |
| 14:40.53 | krka | quicker isn't always better! |
| 14:40.59 | Wobin | like blu said, 15gigs is much faster to copy than download |
| 14:41.10 | bluspacecow | i backup my entire wow folder |
| 14:41.11 | Lopeppeppy | Not am blue! |
| 14:41.19 | bluspacecow | <---- blu |
| 14:41.23 | Wobin | yeah, that blu |
| 14:41.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that comment, nevermind. |
| 14:41.57 | Shirik | I'm blu dabadi dabadai |
| 14:42.10 | bluspacecow | loppy you cant be me |
| 14:42.15 | bluspacecow | yr beard is leet enough |
| 14:42.19 | Shirik | besides, Lopeppeppy is strawberry right? |
| 14:42.23 | Shirik | Is that what was decided yesterday? |
| 14:42.26 | Lopeppeppy | Very strawberry. |
| 14:42.35 | Lopeppeppy | We decided that a long time ago, we just confirmed it again yesterday. |
| 14:42.36 | Wobin | mmm, repatching from 3.0.1 |
| 14:42.56 | bluspacecow | live or PTR ? |
| 14:43.02 | Wobin | live |
| 14:43.13 | Cruciformer | Wobin: You on Windows? |
| 14:43.13 | Wobin | looks like I'll have to run the repair.exe on the patch data =P |
| 14:43.16 | Wobin | Cruciformer: yeah |
| 14:43.22 | Cruciformer | Vista? |
| 14:43.25 | Wobin | nyet |
| 14:43.37 | bluspacecow | also |
| 14:43.44 | bluspacecow | i back up my patchs as well |
| 14:43.47 | Wobin | I've had issues for quite some time now |
| 14:43.51 | Cruciformer | Not sure wher it will store it then but try look in something like C:\Users\Public\Documents\Blizard\.... |
| 14:44.01 | Wobin | I'd usually crash after releasing in Ulduar |
| 14:44.06 | Cruciformer | and you may find your old patches there so you dont have to re-download them. |
| 14:44.18 | Wobin | Oh I have them, no doubt |
| 14:44.22 | Wobin | ... somewhere |
| 14:44.31 | Wobin | but possibly corrupted =P |
| 14:44.52 | Cruciformer | the patches are unlikely to be corrupted becuase they are checked against a fairly secure hash. |
| 14:44.52 | bluspacecow | http://a.wirebrain.de |
| 14:45.02 | bluspacecow | has checksums for all major patchs |
| 14:45.12 | Wobin | I just had a complaint that the file I was attempting to patch with was broken |
| 14:45.14 | bluspacecow | they're checked by the downloader before installing |
| 14:45.17 | Wobin | and I had to run repair.exe on it |
| 14:45.57 | Wobin | although, that's not really the -patch- being corrupted, per se, that sounds more like the mpq it's trying to apply it to has been corrupted |
| 14:46.09 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 14:46.09 | Cruciformer | ya |
| 14:46.11 | Wobin | thus the repair.exe to fix it up before I can patch it properly |
| 14:46.28 | bluspacecow | if thats the case wouldn't it fail the file check it does when you open wow ? |
| 14:46.51 | Wobin | it goes "downloading update..." runs the updater, updater fails =( |
| 14:47.13 | bluspacecow | anything in the system logs ? |
| 14:47.23 | Cruciformer | bluspacecow: It doesnt do an exhaustive check of the mpq's. Ive has cases where one texture file inside the mpq somehow got corrupted and repair.exe was able to download just that one texture and fix itself. |
| 14:47.58 | Shirik | usually in such a situation, your game will crash if you encounter that texture |
| 14:48.02 | Wobin | Error encountered. Retrying: The patch "pc-hdfiles\WowError.exe" could not be applied. (Invalid source file size: expected 220816, actual 336528.) If this problem persists, you may be able to solve it by uninstalling and then reinstalling the game. If you are unable to correct this problem, please contact Blizzard Technical Support. (BNUpdate::PTCApply) |
| 14:48.10 | Shirik | which, depending on where it is, might be very frequent or very unusua |
| 14:48.17 | Cruciformer | Shirik: quite brutally. With the "Send what u were doing" dialog |
| 14:48.20 | Shirik | ya |
| 14:48.26 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 14:48.28 | bluspacecow | burn checksum fail wobin ! |
| 14:48.31 | Wobin | that happens to me a lot =( |
| 14:48.41 | Shirik | well this might be why :P |
| 14:48.50 | Cruciformer | I used to get that in Naxx quite a bit. Not any more tho for quite a while *touch wood* |
| 14:49.15 | Cruciformer | damn I have no actual wood just wood veneers. Does that count? |
| 14:49.33 | Wobin | no =( |
| 14:49.46 | Shirik | you're screwed now |
| 14:49.46 | Cruciformer | damn |
| 14:49.49 | Wobin | chipboard does not engender luck =( |
| 14:49.53 | bluspacecow | i have wood just not from a tree wood |
| 14:49.55 | bluspacecow | ;D |
| 14:50.02 | Wobin | TMI |
| 14:50.17 | Cruciformer | I could always runoutside and touch a tree but ... thats tree, not necessarily "wood". The universe was never really clear on exactly what I had to touch. |
| 14:50.31 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 14:50.58 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is bad |
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| 14:51.06 | Wobin | Shamor |
| 14:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | Really? |
| 14:51.11 | Wobin | you know it |
| 14:51.14 | Wobin | (really bad!) |
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| 14:52.16 | Wobin | cause the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again |
| 14:52.19 | Wobin | (who's bad?) |
| 14:52.27 | bluspacecow | random fact |
| 14:52.31 | Shirik | ~cookie |
| 14:52.41 | bluspacecow | weird al yankovich's new song "craigs list" |
| 14:52.51 | bluspacecow | actually sounds like a proper song ie not a parody |
| 14:53.02 | Wobin | he has a few of those =P |
| 14:53.15 | alestane | Is there some setting that controls whether or not the cursor shows up in a screenshot? |
| 14:53.27 | Wobin | in fact, his original songs are the ones I find my favourites |
| 14:53.28 | bluspacecow | s/bad/fat/ |
| 14:53.43 | Shirik | I know fraps has that setting |
| 14:53.53 | Wobin | like "Since You've Been Gone" and "One More Minute" |
| 14:54.06 | Wobin | and "Everything You Know Is Wrong" |
| 14:54.10 | bluspacecow | isnt there a keybind to hide interface ? |
| 14:54.15 | Wobin | alt-z? |
| 14:54.36 | bluspacecow | try windowed mode and have the cursor off screeen |
| 14:54.37 | Wobin | I didn't think the cursor did show up |
| 14:54.37 | alestane | Assuming fraps is avaliable for Mac, I'm not installing it just to get a screenshot with a pointy hand...I can Photoshop it in if I need to. |
| 14:54.46 | Wobin | photoshop it in |
| 14:54.46 | Cruciformer | speaking of parodies, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSmNuHQzlYg is one of my favourites. |
| 14:54.54 | alestane | No, see, I *want* the cursor to show up. |
| 14:54.56 | kd3 | I dunno if there's a cvar for that. the only way I can get my cursor to show up is to take a screenshot using an external app |
| 14:55.14 | bluspacecow | apple-shift-3 |
| 14:55.39 | Shirik | I really don't think it's controlled by the app, kd3 |
| 14:55.59 | kd3 | s/an external app/something other than wow's keybind/ |
| 14:56.15 | myrkraverk | I have an extra utility, that allows me to take screenshots with the cursor too |
| 14:56.17 | bluspacecow | like i said |
| 14:56.25 | bluspacecow | apple- shift - 3 |
| 14:56.41 | Shirik | why the hell is apple-shift-3 a keybind to take a screenshot |
| 14:56.52 | bluspacecow | built in mac os way |
| 14:56.59 | Shirik | here's a thought |
| 14:57.02 | alestane | It has been since the Mac OS came out, pretty much. |
| 14:57.06 | Shirik | what if an app wanted to use that keystroke |
| 14:57.10 | Lopeppeppy | Them Smack people are weird. :) |
| 14:57.59 | alestane | Then the app authors should know it has a default assignment. OS X has an interface that lets people change that assignment to something else like Print Screen if they want, though. |
| 14:58.00 | bluspacecow | i dont think any mac apps ever had to use that key stroke |
| 14:58.07 | bluspacecow | i think its reserved by the ToolBox |
| 14:58.16 | bluspacecow | or w/e the eqiv. is in OS X |
| 14:58.24 | alestane | The Carbon API. |
| 14:58.35 | alestane | Not even Carbon, really. |
| 14:58.41 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what and C-x M-c M-butterfly is a better keybinding that makes any sense? |
| 14:58.45 | Wobin | alestane: that's what I mean, photoshop the cursor in |
| 14:59.10 | bluspacecow | might need a whatsy call it |
| 14:59.15 | Wobin | cause you won't get it in a screenshot |
| 14:59.15 | bluspacecow | something to open a blp |
| 14:59.23 | Lopeppeppy | Much easier to pop in a cursor than to talk about it. :P |
| 14:59.30 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: OS-level keybinds should not conflict with application space |
| 14:59.54 | Shirik | good examples: print screen (because it's the sysrq key), ctrl+alt+del (because it's specifically forbidden for apps to control that binding) |
| 14:59.59 | bluspacecow | alestane : just tried the built in mac s/s ... no good |
| 15:00.01 | Aelobin | how dyou get un-phased in orgrimmar/undercity etc |
| 15:00.05 | Aelobin | regarding that northrend quest |
| 15:00.13 | Arrowmaster | Aelobin: do the quest |
| 15:00.15 | Shirik | bad examples: alt+x, ctrl+shift+3 |
| 15:00.17 | bluspacecow | then its pretty much a OS level keybind shirik |
| 15:00.19 | Aelobin | but which quest is it :P |
| 15:00.22 | Shirik | Says who |
| 15:00.25 | Shirik | how do I recognize it |
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| 15:00.35 | bluspacecow | says Apple |
| 15:00.36 | Shirik | you just "have to know"? |
| 15:00.37 | Wobin | Wrathgate |
| 15:00.53 | Shirik | It's completely disjunct from every other related keybind |
| 15:00.54 | Wobin | either talk to Thrall in Org if you haven't |
| 15:00.54 | Aelobin | where dyou get it from =) |
| 15:00.55 | bluspacecow | idk look it up on developer.apple.com |
| 15:01.00 | Wobin | or talk to Thrall outside UC if you have |
| 15:01.02 | Shirik | can I bind apple+shift+2? |
| 15:01.05 | alestane | Shirik: It was fairly-well documented that Cmd+Shift+# was intercepted by the OS. |
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| 15:01.22 | Shirik | ok so long as there's a standard |
| 15:01.30 | Wobin | Essentially from the Kokorun outpost |
| 15:01.31 | Shirik | I'm not sure I think it's a sensible one, but it's there at least |
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| 15:01.40 | bluspacecow | pfft |
| 15:01.51 | bluspacecow | Apple break their own standards all the time |
| 15:01.59 | Shirik | yeah, like JAva |
| 15:02.16 | Shirik | and then the cool part about their Java extensions is that their documentation is still Sun's documentation |
| 15:02.21 | Shirik | so their extensions are completely undocumented |
| 15:02.22 | Shirik | very cool |
| 15:02.24 | Aelobin | Wobin: i can't talk to him, there's just a portal to SW |
| 15:02.35 | Wobin | hang on, are you alliance? |
| 15:02.44 | Aelobin | yeh :P |
| 15:02.48 | Wobin | I have no idea then =) |
| 15:03.08 | Arrowmaster | the alliance even goto org? |
| 15:03.28 | bluspacecow | what this now Wobin ? |
| 15:03.36 | alestane | You have to go apologize to Thrall so he doesn't declare all-out war. |
| 15:03.37 | Wobin | points up to Aelobin's question |
| 15:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | He's kind of cranky sometimes, Aelobin. |
| 15:03.51 | Wobin | alestane: cause Varian Wrynn is an utter arseface |
| 15:03.55 | bluspacecow | "error in log please restate" |
| 15:05.31 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowwiki.com/Wrathgate |
| 15:06.26 | Kraps | thrall should step down citing "too big of a wimp to discipline my dickhead foster son" |
| 15:06.44 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Naxxramas_and_the_Fall_of_Wintergarde |
| 15:06.59 | Wobin | Wrynn should step down citing: "Can't see my face cause my head's too far up my arse" |
| 15:07.11 | Wobin | but really, does anyone -like- Wrynn? |
| 15:07.39 | Wobin | he just comes across as a totally selfish child =P |
| 15:07.45 | Kraps | people didnt like bush but he was a good leader |
| 15:07.54 | Arrowmaster | no he wasnt |
| 15:07.56 | Wobin | no, people didn't like Bush |
| 15:07.57 | Kraps | inb4 RL !=wow |
| 15:07.58 | Wobin | full stop |
| 15:08.17 | bluspacecow | . |
| 15:08.19 | Wobin | also, WoW more dramatised, for ... drama |
| 15:08.20 | bluspacecow | comma |
| 15:08.23 | Arrowmaster | he was one of the worst leaders in history |
| 15:08.23 | bluspacecow | , |
| 15:08.47 | Kraps | lulz |
| 15:09.09 | Kraps | gg on the hyperbole |
| 15:09.43 | Wobin | anyway, you're the one that brought up Bush =P |
| 15:10.08 | Shirik | bush was a hyperbole |
| 15:10.12 | bluspacecow | why we talkin about shrubberys ? |
| 15:10.19 | Wobin | I was just saying that Varian is a dick =P |
| 15:10.46 | Kraps | Wobin: we can talk about bush w/o being kids ya? |
| 15:11.22 | bluspacecow | idk puberty was a long time ago for me |
| 15:11.39 | Wobin | and good leader? "Oh, look some faction on Hordeside defected and betrayed us all. Lets completely ruin everything we've worked towards in the last X years and declare war on everyone, just as Northrend and the Lich King is on our doorsteps" |
| 15:11.51 | Wobin | wow, that's great leadership =P |
| 15:12.16 | alestane | Neither BLP Viewer nor BLP Tools appears to like cursor files. I seem to recall hearing that they are formatted differently somehow. Any guidance? |
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| 15:13.03 | Wobin | http://www.cursors-4u.com/cursor/2008/12/22/world-of-warcraft-wow-hand-armor.html |
| 15:13.04 | Lopeppeppy | They are, and there was some glitch in how the game handles them recently, which was being looked into. |
| 15:13.12 | bluspacecow | do other blps work with those tools |
| 15:13.57 | alestane | And what exactly is a .cur file supposed to do for me? |
| 15:14.13 | Kraps | Wobin: yeah, that is kind of lame |
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| 15:15.24 | Wobin | alestane: you could take the image of the cursor and paste it onto your image |
| 15:15.45 | Wobin | or even take a screenshot of that page |
| 15:15.49 | Wobin | and cut the cursor out |
| 15:15.55 | Wobin | Do I have to think of everything? =P |
| 15:16.23 | alestane | Yes, I be end up being able to cut it down to my own alpha channel faster than I can find a program to give me a clean one. |
| 15:16.24 | bluspacecow | thats what my mom always says |
| 15:16.34 | alestane | I may* end up |
| 15:18.29 | Wobin | yay, up to 3.1.1 |
| 15:18.52 | Wobin | yay, up to 3.1.2 |
| 15:19.42 | Aelobin | ffs is there any alliance in here who has done the wrathgrate quest |
| 15:19.48 | Aelobin | i cant work out where im meant to pick it up |
| 15:19.57 | Wobin | it's a huge chain... |
| 15:20.00 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 15:20.03 | Wobin | didn't you read the wiki? |
| 15:20.04 | bluspacecow | i linked it above |
| 15:20.07 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: I have. It starts in wyrmrest temple. |
| 15:20.12 | bluspacecow | go on wow wiki and look up wrathgate |
| 15:20.40 | bluspacecow | theres also wowhead |
| 15:21.39 | Aelobin | i have, and i've flown to 3 different places |
| 15:21.53 | Aelobin | tryign to figure where i am on the chain |
| 15:22.05 | Aelobin | UC/Org are phased out for me, but i'm not on any quests |
| 15:22.28 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: Go talk to Alextrassa at teh wrathgate |
| 15:22.32 | Kraps | cinematics of people dieing is depressing |
| 15:22.51 | Kraps | s/is/are/ |
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| 15:22.51 | Cruciformer | she has a big ass ! over her head. I got stuck at the same place. |
| 15:23.13 | alestane | dying. |
| 15:23.46 | Aelobin | Cruciformer: she has no quest |
| 15:23.58 | alestane | Which is confusing, since "dyed" and "died" are totally different things. Blame English spelling. |
| 15:24.15 | alestane | Aelobin: Did you get the shield off the ground and take it to SW? |
| 15:24.25 | Aelobin | erm wut? 0.o |
| 15:24.33 | bluspacecow | tee hee ! |
| 15:24.33 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: try talking to her anyway |
| 15:24.34 | alestane | Alliance, right? |
| 15:24.38 | Aelobin | yeh |
| 15:25.01 | Kraps | alestane: thats how you spell it!!! |
| 15:25.05 | Aelobin | "greetings, my night elf friend. you honor me with your presence. How may i help you?" |
| 15:25.06 | Aelobin | >_< |
| 15:25.26 | Kraps | chatzilla didnt fix it |
| 15:25.43 | alestane | Then after the Apothecary's guild nukes Fordragon and Arthas retreats, and Alexstrazsa shows up, you should have to collect Bolvar Fordragon's shield off the ground and take it back to Wrynn. |
| 15:25.56 | Wobin | 3.1.3 |
| 15:26.00 | Aelobin | is that after the cinematic? |
| 15:26.04 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: Weird. Got the same thing were Ogrimar was phased out and I couldnt do those elder quests. That was where I had to pick up, was talking to her. |
| 15:26.04 | alestane | Yes. |
| 15:26.21 | Aelobin | will it still be there? |
| 15:26.36 | alestane | Have you gone through the cinematic yet? |
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| 15:26.41 | Aelobin | yup |
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| 15:27.15 | Aelobin | nvm Cruciformer was right |
| 15:27.19 | alestane | And you haven't taken Fordragon's shield to Varian Wrynn yet? It should be there, then. |
| 15:27.26 | Aelobin | found the big bitch - i thought you meant the Alex on top of the temple |
| 15:27.42 | Cruciformer | No I said Alex at wrathgate :) |
| 15:27.54 | alestane | Ah, no. This is Alexstrazsa at the Wrath Gate, as a dragon queen. |
| 15:28.11 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 15:28.19 | bluspacecow | shamans : reincarnation ...no CD no more ? |
| 15:28.34 | Wobin | yes it does? |
| 15:28.38 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 15:28.42 | Aelobin | where's the shield? 0_0 |
| 15:28.43 | bluspacecow | im being silly |
| 15:28.52 | alestane | Aelobin: Hard as all hell to find. |
| 15:28.53 | Wobin | look for sparklies |
| 15:29.00 | bluspacecow | cooldown timers doesnt have that |
| 15:29.01 | alestane | But it's there. |
| 15:29.04 | Kraps | Aelobin: its a tiny stupid thing |
| 15:29.21 | Kraps | REALLY REALLY SMALL |
| 15:29.32 | bluspacecow | oh great |
| 15:29.43 | bluspacecow | reminds me of those right clicker adventure games |
| 15:29.51 | Wobin | PIXELSCAN |
| 15:29.55 | bluspacecow | might need to pan your mouse back and forward |
| 15:29.55 | Aelobin | got it >_< |
| 15:30.00 | haste | PIXELSCAM! |
| 15:30.21 | bluspacecow | ~beer Aelobin |
| 15:30.22 | purl | ACTION pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Aelobin |
| 15:30.26 | Aelobin | =) |
| 15:31.09 | haste | finished ripping 30 CDs |
| 15:31.09 | haste | cheers. |
| 15:31.09 | haste | and tagging |
| 15:31.17 | bluspacecow | mutiple CD drives ? |
| 15:31.21 | bluspacecow | or just one ? |
| 15:31.21 | Fisker | haste |
| 15:31.31 | Fisker | reported to the politi |
| 15:31.35 | Fisker | yarr |
| 15:31.47 | haste | bluspacecow: just one :( |
| 15:32.14 | Cruciformer | haste: BTW I dunno what ripper you use but if its not dbPowerAmp you should check it out. best ripper Ive ever used, by far. |
| 15:32.15 | haste | I ripped it with my laptop to wave over the network, and then used my workstation to encode it all into flac and tag |
| 15:32.21 | haste | EAC |
| 15:32.40 | nicoli_s | fisker: gimme sc2! |
| 15:32.42 | haste | on linux I use cdparanoia and my own wrapper |
| 15:32.42 | Cruciformer | I never did like EAC. |
| 15:32.44 | Fisker | yes |
| 15:32.46 | Fisker | do want nicoli_s |
| 15:32.55 | haste | EAC is sadly one of the few good ones |
| 15:33.02 | haste | cdparanoia is the other |
| 15:33.03 | Kraps | what would you need 30 copies of? |
| 15:33.11 | haste | 30 different CDs |
| 15:33.21 | Cruciformer | haste: Check out dbpoweramp. Its what I replaced EAC with and Ive never looked back. |
| 15:33.21 | Kraps | ah damn |
| 15:33.22 | haste | 29 albums |
| 15:33.31 | haste | EAC is far better! |
| 15:33.35 | haste | is a quality freak. |
| 15:33.43 | Fisker | the 30th is just a recording of you moaning? |
| 15:33.57 | Cruciformer | haste: I am too :) |
| 15:34.09 | haste | apparantly not enough :p |
| 15:34.20 | Cruciformer | what does eac give you dbpa doesn't? |
| 15:34.43 | bluspacecow | it makes him feel better |
| 15:34.52 | haste | better quality ensurance |
| 15:34.56 | Cruciformer | ah. I cant fight the "warm-fuzzy" factor :) |
| 15:35.09 | haste | I would rather use cdparanoia, but I don't have a working CD drive on my workstation anymore |
| 15:35.33 | Cruciformer | haste: dbpa has a very neat feature where it compares the track you ripped to an online database of what others ripped for the same track. If multiple checksums all match you know yours is good. does eac do that? I think not :P |
| 15:36.08 | haste | it does |
| 15:36.12 | haste | it uses the same database even |
| 15:36.14 | bluspacecow | level71 shammy in borean ...to train i need to go back to SW right ? |
| 15:36.20 | Wobin | yes |
| 15:36.22 | Cruciformer | ah then it finally caught up :) |
| 15:36.29 | haste | http://www.accuraterip.com/ |
| 15:36.34 | haste | it's had that for years now |
| 15:36.37 | Wobin | the only trainers in Northrend are mage trainers in Dalaran |
| 15:36.42 | Arrowmaster | Cruciformer: EAC can use the dbpoweramp plugin, its extremely old |
| 15:36.54 | haste | do remember that I use Linux as my main OS |
| 15:36.56 | Wobin | (class, anyway) |
| 15:37.03 | Arrowmaster | but everything else about how EAC rips is better |
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| 15:38.53 | Cruciformer | I liked two main things about dbpa: the fact that I had complete control over file naming to do stuff just the way I wanted, which I am sure eac can do, and the fact that it put the album art as an ID3 tag in each mp3, not just putting down a folder.jpg (whichmaybe eac can do now too, it couldn't when I switched). |
| 15:39.44 | Arrowmaster | you can do that with many other tagging programs, though personally i hate that since its all redundant wasted space |
| 15:40.33 | Cruciformer | I like it so when I create a "Party" folder for a party and copy individual MP3s into it to stream to the PS3, it showes all the album art for each song on the ps3. |
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| 15:42.48 | Cruciformer | I also liked dbpa's thing where it gets track/album/other tag stuff from multiple sources and does a "best effort" to get the correct names based on how many different sources agree on the track name spelling etc. |
| 15:43.19 | Arrowmaster | thats what musicbrainz is for |
| 15:43.38 | Wobin | rofl |
| 15:43.39 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Mq9HAE62Y |
| 15:44.00 | Cruciformer | Dunno what musicbrainz is. This did it inside the ripper so everything was correct from teh get-go. |
| 15:44.41 | nicoli_s | i just need to get a good music player that will sort my damn music in correct order |
| 15:44.51 | Wobin | Best inflight safety video ever |
| 15:44.59 | nicoli_s | i hate adding a playlist that is named sequentially and damn itunes cant figure out which goes first |
| 15:45.21 | nicoli_s | and i say "hmm itunes, do you think maybe the file named "01 - ..." might be the first one? |
| 15:45.27 | haste | I tag everything manually |
| 15:45.40 | haste | because I have a too odd music taste and other people suck at tagging |
| 15:45.50 | nicoli_s | i hear that haste |
| 15:45.57 | Industrial | Wobin: only manboobs |
| 15:45.59 | nicoli_s | has very out there tastes |
| 15:46.11 | haste | damn people thinking that: artist, title, album, tracknumber and date is enough |
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| 15:48.21 | bluspacecow | oh god haste |
| 15:48.51 | bluspacecow | how often have i downloaded some track |
| 15:48.53 | bluspacecow | with artist = Various Artists |
| 15:48.53 | Industrial | isnt it ? :p |
| 15:48.53 | Industrial | so you sort the collection by cd not artist |
| 15:49.01 | haste | bluspacecow: albumartist=Various in that case |
| 15:49.01 | haste | Industrial: that's what you have albumartist for |
| 15:49.16 | bluspacecow | but for stuff that had one artist |
| 15:49.18 | haste | even on a various artist CD it depends if the albumartist should be various tho' |
| 15:49.20 | cog|away | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24727 |
| 15:49.21 | bluspacecow | and people were just lazy |
| 15:49.52 | Cruciformer | Wobin: You may like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grrUTcUCkrA |
| 15:49.52 | bluspacecow | idk where you come from on this ...but when 1 guy sings a track then his name should be in under Artist |
| 15:50.15 | Industrial | cog|work: awesome hope someone picks it up |
| 15:50.24 | haste | bluspacecow: ofc |
| 15:50.34 | bluspacecow | thats what i meant |
| 15:50.45 | bluspacecow | 1 song , 1 proper song name . 1 artist |
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| 15:51.02 | bluspacecow | and people were piutting "artist = various track title -= a whole lot of names |
| 15:51.04 | haste | ah, there I don't agree |
| 15:51.11 | haste | there can be various artists on one track |
| 15:51.23 | bluspacecow | then i use 1 main artist |
| 15:51.32 | haste | I usually use artist as a container for the other tags |
| 15:51.38 | haste | such as arranger, performer:X and so on |
| 15:51.40 | bluspacecow | the rest go in the end of the track title under "featuring" |
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| 15:51.52 | haste | that way my meizu handles it correctly |
| 15:51.58 | haste | not always |
| 15:52.23 | Industrial | how would having guns on a plane be safer, one hole/shot and everyones screwed ... |
| 15:52.46 | Wobin | Cruciformer: It would be interesting to see how those guns that can pierce body armour at such a range, would do to the body of the airplane once it passed through someone, or even struck a window |
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| 15:53.01 | Fisker | i can pierce body armor |
| 15:53.07 | Cruciformer | Wobin: :) |
| 15:53.17 | Wobin | Cause we all know projectile weapons in a highly compressed tin can at altitude is the BEST IDEA EVER =P |
| 15:53.32 | Arrowmaster | Cruciformer: to answer the question at the end of the video, NO |
| 15:53.36 | haste | http://beverpung.net/images/nix/2008-11-21-132458_1680x1050_scrot.png - comes to mind :D |
| 15:53.40 | Industrial | Fisker: I can pierce your mom. |
| 15:53.44 | Arrowmaster | having guns that powerful on a plane means almost nomatter what happens if its shot its going to put a hole in the plane |
| 15:53.57 | Industrial | Fisker: buuurn.com |
| 15:54.10 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:54.14 | Cruciformer | I think y'all taking the fun out of it by beaing all realistic and shit :P |
| 15:54.17 | Arrowmaster | air marshals carried guns with low velocity rounds in them before the entire shit started |
| 15:54.18 | Wobin | pft |
| 15:54.20 | Fisker | i can't pierce your mom |
| 15:54.22 | Wobin | that's what the Internet is for |
| 15:54.26 | Fisker | because that defeats the purpose |
| 15:54.40 | Fisker | you know what i hate haste ? |
| 15:54.44 | haste | Fisker: yourself |
| 15:54.52 | Fisker | not that much |
| 15:54.57 | Fisker | but what i really hate is linux |
| 15:55.02 | Arrowmaster | and you know what, armor piercing guns on a plane are useless because if somebody got on the plane with body armor then somebody on the ground security seriously fucked up |
| 15:55.37 | haste | Fisker: that's your issue, not mine |
| 15:55.48 | Industrial | Fisker: you have issues, man! |
| 15:57.04 | Fisker | Your mom have tissues |
| 15:57.05 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 16:01.21 | cog|work | Duman: u fix faecbuk in chrome nao kthxbai |
| 16:01.34 | Fisker | haha haste jeg har pomfritter |
| 16:02.17 | cog|work | mmm doughnuts |
| 16:02.31 | zenzelezz | Fisker: med piffikrydder? |
| 16:02.51 | Fisker | wut? |
| 16:03.12 | zenzelezz | you clearly fail |
| 16:03.39 | Fisker | wut is teh piffikrydder? |
| 16:03.46 | Aelobin | finally done |
| 16:03.52 | Aelobin | that whole UC thing is a loada balls >_> |
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| 16:04.00 | Aelobin | sat there casting Volley for about 30 mins |
| 16:04.20 | cog|work | o7 @ Sixen |
| 16:04.32 | Fisker | o7 yourself cog|work |
| 16:04.36 | Fisker | l2.o/ |
| 16:05.07 | cog|work | fu |
| 16:05.08 | zenzelezz | Fisker: just a spice |
| 16:05.30 | Fisker | what kind of spice? |
| 16:05.34 | Sixen | o/ |
| 16:05.37 | cog|work | Fisker: lern2google |
| 16:05.43 | Sixen | How you been cog? |
| 16:05.43 | zenzelezz | no idea, I just know the name. But it's awesome on fries |
| 16:05.52 | Kraps | Aelobin: it was probably more fun when wrath came out and you got a bunch of people going |
| 16:06.01 | Aelobin | :P |
| 16:06.01 | cog|work | mostly sane ;) |
| 16:06.31 | Kraps | i also did it all by myself :/ |
| 16:06.36 | Sixen | HEhe, :p |
| 16:06.56 | Aelobin | Kraps: what class? |
| 16:07.07 | Kraps | warrior |
| 16:07.25 | Aelobin | not great AoE moves then :P |
| 16:08.17 | Kraps | my priest is up to there, if i ever decide to level him again |
| 16:09.15 | Wobin | yeah, Battle for Undercity is only fun if you have some sort of aoe |
| 16:09.25 | Wobin | otherwise it's 15min of waiting =P |
| 16:09.34 | Kraps | prot warrior = pro aoe :p |
| 16:09.59 | Wobin | I was being entertained by 30k lava lash crits |
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| 16:10.43 | Aelobin | would be loads easier if you could /follow npcs :P |
| 16:10.48 | Wobin | yeah |
| 16:10.56 | bluspacecow | i need sleep |
| 16:10.59 | Wobin | same |
| 16:11.01 | Wobin | goes to bed |
| 16:11.11 | Aelobin | get out my bed Wobin |
| 16:11.12 | Aelobin | go get your own |
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| 16:35.52 | Guest25874 | anyone here know Visual Basic? Is it not completely strongly typed? |
| 16:36.15 | zenzelezz | think it depends |
| 16:36.19 | Kraps | ^ |
| 16:36.19 | zenzelezz | "Option Explicit" |
| 16:36.20 | Shirik_ | odd looking at some code I see |
| 16:36.21 | Shirik_ | Dim v as object |
| 16:36.28 | Shirik_ | v.ElementID = o.ElementID |
| 16:36.35 | Shirik_ | and I'm like "object doesn't have ElementID.." |
| 16:38.16 | Shirik_ | is that what option explicit means? |
| 16:38.29 | Shirik_ | always wondered that; didn't care enough about VB to find out |
| 16:38.41 | zenzelezz | I didn't actually know, but I was always adviced to use it |
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| 16:44.53 | Shirik_ | I always saw it appear at the top of access scripts :) |
| 16:44.55 | Shirik_ | automatically |
| 16:46.02 | foxlit | So /castrandom: a good change or the best change? |
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| 16:46.26 | Lopeppeppy | How'd it get changed? *so uninformed* |
| 16:46.41 | foxlit | You can't use it to randomly spam abilities that are ready any longer. |
| 16:46.57 | Shirik_ | it's sorta like castsequence now |
| 16:47.06 | Shirik_ | where it holds on to the next thing until it succeds |
| 16:47.08 | foxlit | is waiting for this stuff to hit live realms for maximum UI forum comedy. |
| 16:47.09 | Shirik_ | is my understanding |
| 16:47.12 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: why did I read that as "so uniformed" :-x |
| 16:47.40 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, what? what does it do if it doesn't randomly select an ability to use? |
| 16:48.01 | foxlit | It selects an ability for you to use, randomly |
| 16:48.06 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz: Rawr. |
| 16:48.15 | foxlit | It then tries and tries again to cast that ability until it succeeds. |
| 16:48.27 | foxlit | At which point, it selects a new ability at random. |
| 16:48.28 | Lopeppeppy | I think the change is hawt. I'm very tired of IWIN macros. |
| 16:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 16:48.42 | Shirik_ | I like the change too |
| 16:48.51 | Shirik_ | but like I said earlier I never really understood the purpose of castrandom's inclusion in the first place |
| 16:48.56 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I think of them more as IDONTKNOWHOWTOPLAYBUTIFOUNDTHISMACROONLINE |
| 16:49.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i think it was a concession to random mount people :P |
| 16:49.36 | foxlit | Then it's possibly time to just nuke it from orbit |
| 16:49.44 | foxlit | Seeing as to how mounts are no longer protected. |
| 16:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like that. |
| 16:49.53 | NightHawkTheSane | probably. |
| 16:51.11 | foxlit | I do wonder if anything stops you from just chaining a million minutely-different /castrandoms in series. |
| 16:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I think outside of that the only good use of a castrandom macro i've seen was the one for enh shaman, where it was actually about as smart as manually hitting the buttons.. :P |
| 16:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats also exactly why they changed it, i'm sure |
| 16:51.57 | foxlit | Of course, there's also a question |
| 16:52.15 | foxlit | Do restricted environments still have access to random numbers? |
| 16:53.10 | foxlit | ~drumroll |
| 16:53.11 | purl | ACTION starts a drumroll |
| 16:53.30 | Shirik_ | can you really restrict that? |
| 16:53.36 | Shirik_ | What's stopping you from creating your own PRNG |
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| 16:53.50 | foxlit | So those changes have a dubious effect. |
| 16:54.00 | foxlit | Unless there was something special about /castrandom to begin with. |
| 16:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | This image disturbs my brain. (mostly SFW) http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/celebrity-pictures-lady-gaga-jazz-hands.jpg?w=450&h=300 |
| 16:54.35 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 16:55.14 | foxlit | Doesn't look like they do. |
| 16:55.20 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: those are the last sparks of dignity making a run for it |
| 16:55.37 | foxlit | Which raises a question of what'll stop anyone from just implementing /castrandom inside a restricted environment and spamming that. |
| 16:56.15 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: someone at blizzard figuring that out and fixing it? :P |
| 16:56.24 | NightHawkTheSane | or, alternately, nothing |
| 16:56.28 | foxlit | As Shirik pointed out, you can't fix it. |
| 16:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | Those are ta-tas, on FIRE! |
| 16:56.57 | NightHawkTheSane | it's hot. :P |
| 16:58.16 | Seerah | is that Madonna's suit? |
| 16:58.27 | Lopeppeppy | No, that is Lady Ga Ga, I think the caption says. |
| 16:58.36 | Seerah | I know ;) |
| 16:58.49 | Lopeppeppy | She ugly, IMO, even being on fire doesn't help. |
| 16:59.42 | alestane | Ooh, rumblebumbles! |
| 16:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | but it -does- make her hot. ;) |
| 16:59.45 | nicoli_s | being on fire normally makes you look better? |
| 17:00.45 | Seerah | hot |
| 17:04.22 | Kraps | doesnt seem to work for mages |
| 17:04.46 | Seerah | ooh, should be a new mage spell /nid |
| 17:04.49 | Seerah | * /nod |
| 17:05.10 | foxlit | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/7/1/lookouts-page-2/ << boo? |
| 17:05.25 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly, boo |
| 17:06.06 | foxlit | I'm not even sure what happens in the last two frames. |
| 17:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | Basilisk takes out their scout leader. |
| 17:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | At least, that's what I see... |
| 17:07.08 | foxlit | So who is sorry, and for what? |
| 17:07.11 | Seerah | but why the "I'm sorry boys"? |
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| 17:08.20 | Lopeppeppy | The only chibi missing from the second to last frame is the blonde, and that image in the last frame doesn't look like the blonde... I dunno. |
| 17:08.34 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. *big hug* |
| 17:09.05 | foxlit | I do think the blonde gets turned to stone. |
| 17:09.10 | Lunessa | Wait - blondes? Chibi? Did I stumble into more risque discussion? |
| 17:09.28 | Lopeppeppy | No dear... looking at the latest Penny Arcade, trying to decipher it. |
| 17:11.18 | Lunessa | oh |
| 17:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | In inscrutable. Needs more desserts. |
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| 17:12.42 | Cidan | mmm |
| 17:12.49 | Cidan | blondes... |
| 17:13.37 | foxlit | lua> math.atan2(0,0); |
| 17:13.37 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0 |
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| 17:14.55 | Lunessa | Pop quiz hotshots: What's the only acceptable condiment for a corndog? |
| 17:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | A fork. |
| 17:15.12 | Lopeppeppy | **Maybe** cheese. |
| 17:15.13 | ccox | ketchupmustard |
| 17:15.25 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/116951 << can't quite make sense of how that happens. |
| 17:16.00 | Bruners | oterpong84 |
| 17:16.13 | Bruners | wrong window yes |
| 17:16.38 | ccox | Lunessa: question is invalid because it presupposes that there is only one acceptable condiment |
| 17:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | I put forth that there are none such. |
| 17:16.58 | Lunessa | ccox: My questions, my bias. |
| 17:17.11 | ccox | ok, my answer: BEER |
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| 17:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | Beer /= condiment! |
| 17:17.45 | Lunessa | ccox: I may have to amend my thinking to include a secondary condiment. |
| 17:17.51 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. |
| 17:18.26 | Lunessa | And in the final panel of Lookouts, it is clearly the instructor being struck by the beast most foul. |
| 17:18.45 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I thought... so why is he apologizing in the previous panel, though? |
| 17:21.03 | cog|work | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8118257.stm |
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| 17:22.08 | Lunessa | It's like the hunt master in Jurassic Park saying "Clever girl" before getting muched. |
| 17:22.40 | Seerah | cog|work: rofl |
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| 17:30.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm starting to look for a second cat... yeah, 2 years of motherhood and the shock has worn off, time to do it again! |
| 17:30.23 | Seerah | hehe |
| 17:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | I have a friend who brought a stray to the vet, who was pretty banged up. If she lives, she may be my nextest baby. If not... I'll be very sad and looking for someone else. |
| 17:31.09 | Lunessa | imports a walaby |
| 17:31.18 | Lopeppeppy | Do want a wallerby! |
| 17:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | Or a hedgehog. |
| 17:32.35 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Where, pray tell, would you keep a wallaby? |
| 17:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'd make a pouch! |
| 17:33.00 | Lopeppeppy | Don't wallerbies live in pouches? Like kangaroos, only not? |
| 17:33.31 | alestane | Wallaby babies, yes. They nurse in there. |
| 17:33.47 | Lunessa | Grown ones, not so much. |
| 17:33.51 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. |
| 17:33.55 | Lopeppeppy | It could have the bathroom then, I guess. |
| 17:35.47 | Lunessa | Gonna need a big bathroom. BIG. |
| 17:36.10 | Lopeppeppy | *big eyes* |
| 17:36.15 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe I want a cat instead then. |
| 17:36.25 | Seerah | http://www.enquirer.com/midday/08/wallaby2_300.jpg |
| 17:36.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wallabies are just baby kangaroos, I pictured them as being much smaller than that. |
| 17:36.58 | Lopeppeppy | Fewer scary claws too. Everything in Australia is out to eat you or poison you or both. |
| 17:37.16 | Seerah | (article: http://www.enquirer.com/midday/08/08192004_News_mday_wallaby.html ) |
| 17:37.25 | alestane | Kangaroos are just out to kick you upside the head and run away. |
| 17:37.54 | Lunessa | And eat your tasty vegetables. |
| 17:38.00 | Aqua | I thought that was the purpose of women? |
| 17:38.10 | Lopeppeppy | tsk tsk, women don't eat vegetables. |
| 17:38.18 | Aqua | they eat big old cucumbers.... |
| 17:38.23 | Lopeppeppy | Tasteless. |
| 17:38.25 | foxlit | lua> -5 % 2, math.fmod(-5, 2); |
| 17:38.25 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1, -1 |
| 17:38.49 | Aqua | never be full of taste.... its not good you get adicted |
| 17:39.00 | Lopeppeppy | So I see. |
| 17:39.18 | foxlit | The story goes that I'm getting minute fluctuations in the computed cursor bearing depending on the scale of the object I'm comparing to. |
| 17:40.13 | foxlit | So I probably want to kill off some precision. |
| 17:40.39 | foxlit | Which raises a question as to how to approach that. |
| 17:42.14 | foxlit | Since the numbers are somewhere in 10^-5 orders of magnitude, the usual rounding strategy would require a multiplication, addition, floor, and finally division. |
| 17:42.20 | foxlit | Which seems like massive overkill. |
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| 17:44.43 | Fisker | i hate you netlimiter |
| 17:46.58 | alestane | Or a mod operation, which would be almost as intensive and requires that you be working in an environment where mod works on fractional types. |
| 17:47.41 | foxlit | local function pround(n, precision, half) local remainder = n % precision; return remainder >= half and (n - remainder + precision) or (n - remainder); end |
| 17:48.09 | foxlit | Looking at it again, it still won't work as I want. |
| 17:53.23 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> is there any way to make my right-click-mob use shoot instead of auto attack? |
| 17:53.49 | nevcairiel | i don't think you can change the mouse-click behaviour on the 3d world |
| 17:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't think so, it always irked me, though |
| 17:54.38 | zenzelezz | what class? |
| 17:54.54 | foxlit | The question is really how much you don't care about breaking |
| 17:55.05 | NightHawkTheSane | priest, in this case, but it arguably applies to any wand user :P |
| 17:55.18 | foxlit | You could just bind right click to /cast [target=mouseover] Shoot |
| 17:55.50 | Lunessa | And break all your menus and interaction... |
| 17:55.58 | foxlit | Menus will work |
| 17:56.14 | foxlit | Mouse bindings are only handled if your click actually reaches the world frame. |
| 17:56.36 | Seerah | I prefer using right click for attack |
| 17:56.48 | Seerah | or mailboxes, etc ;) |
| 17:56.49 | foxlit | It's the interaction part that's going to hurt more. |
| 17:57.03 | zenzelezz | right-clicks Seerah |
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| 17:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, could you do [target=mouseover,harm] or would that still bork up interaction? |
| 17:57.51 | foxlit | There's no /interact |
| 17:58.19 | foxlit | So assuming your macro runs, it's not going to be able to pretend it wasn't there. |
| 17:58.21 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably not worth fucking with, i just hate sitting there for 15s until i realize i right-clicked instead of hitting my shoot bind. |
| 17:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 17:58.49 | foxlit | It's all about establishing a reasonable set of constraints. |
| 17:58.59 | foxlit | If you only cared about making it work out-of-combat, you could easily do what you want. |
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| 18:07.38 | Lunessa | Wow - just finished reading the thread about /castrandom being changed - hawntess. |
| 18:09.34 | alestane | Yet another "PLAY THE DAMN GAME ALREADY" measure made necessary by flakes. |
| 18:09.59 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:10.05 | Thunder_Child | so bitter alestane |
| 18:10.53 | cog|work | Lunessa: ? |
| 18:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. |
| 18:11.15 | alestane | I didn't use it much...and if the whole GCD interaction wasn't enough of a penalty, which apparently it wasn't, then this is, honestly, probably the best solution. |
| 18:11.41 | Lunessa | It appears that on the PTR build for 3.2 /castrandom x,y,z will randomly select one item and stay with it until it succeeds in casting that item. |
| 18:12.01 | cog|work | the ? was for "the thread" |
| 18:12.03 | alestane | That is indeed the intention. |
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| 18:12.18 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031100115&sid=1 |
| 18:12.58 | Lunessa | No more 2 button enhancement shaman |
| 18:13.35 | alestane | Which should make you look even better, yes? |
| 18:14.22 | Lunessa | Yes. Because I can play the damned game. :) |
| 18:14.28 | alestane | Since all the others will be floundering around trying to play their class? |
| 18:15.24 | Lunessa | Actually on Kirin Tor there are lots of enhancement shaman, but only a few who are any good. I count myself as "bottom tier" of the "good" batch. |
| 18:15.42 | alestane | hugs the Peppy. |
| 18:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | wants desserts. |
| 18:17.48 | alestane | shares the donuts. |
| 18:18.51 | foxlit | alestane: there was nothing special about the original /castrandom, right? |
| 18:19.01 | alestane | Special how? |
| 18:19.02 | foxlit | i.e. it would just pass a random argument to CastSpellByName et al |
| 18:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | I'm starving, Pike. |
| 18:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | thinks alestane is lunch. |
| 18:19.09 | Fisker | i am the destroyer of worlds |
| 18:19.31 | alestane | Is that a good thing? |
| 18:19.33 | foxlit | Nothing explicitly silly like checking which spells are actually castable. |
| 18:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm... lunch |
| 18:19.57 | Seerah | no. if it selected a spell that you couldn't use, it's just fail |
| 18:20.04 | Seerah | *it'd |
| 18:20.17 | alestane | Not at all. It was just CastSpellByName(GetRandomArgument(string.split("," args))) |
| 18:20.22 | Fisker | yes foxlit |
| 18:20.25 | Fisker | it's pretty nice |
| 18:20.33 | foxlit | But then this change is meaningless. |
| 18:20.56 | foxlit | (well, partially meaningless -- you now can't spam a simple macro) |
| 18:21.09 | foxlit | You can still spam-click a button that would behave in exactly the same fashion as the macro. |
| 18:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: or spam a /click MyRandomButton macro? :P |
| 18:21.38 | foxlit | more or less. |
| 18:22.24 | alestane | I suppose you could wrap a secure action button with a pre-hook that would set the 'spell' attribute to a randomly chosen argument. |
| 18:22.54 | alestane | Which probably means we'll have to pull math.random out of the restricted environment. |
| 18:23.13 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 18:23.15 | Lopeppeppy | Won't. |
| 18:23.15 | foxlit | That isn't actually a solution. |
| 18:23.17 | Lopeppeppy | *toddler moment* |
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| 18:24.07 | zenzelezz | you're having several toddler moments today peppy... trying to hint at something? |
| 18:24.11 | foxlit | Shirik pointed out earlier that anyone could just implement a PRNG within the restricted environment. |
| 18:24.15 | Lopeppeppy | CRANKY DAY |
| 18:24.30 | alestane | This is true. |
| 18:24.44 | foxlit | Nor is the issue fixed by removing the randomness -- I suspect those /castrandom things would work just as well if they simply cycled through all possible spells linearly. |
| 18:26.30 | jamesjr | Hi everyone. I am a moderator for a game in BETA mode called Nanover. I was hoping we could get some testers which will provide feedback on the registration process and the overall general aspects of the game. If you are interested, you may send me an e-mail at wilmingtonestates@gmail.com and download the game at http://www.epitrack.com/redir.aspx?CID=25596&AFID=65561&DID=111604&SID=beta ...Please e-mail me your |
| 18:26.30 | jamesjr | comments/suggestions/complaints. |
| 18:26.58 | Cidan | ... |
| 18:27.02 | Cairenn | ? |
| 18:27.02 | jamesjr | Hi cidan. |
| 18:27.08 | Cidan | Hi. |
| 18:27.13 | jamesjr | Do yall have any questions about Nanover? |
| 18:27.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yay! spamming idiots! |
| 18:27.20 | jamesjr | I am not a spamming idiot. |
| 18:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | well, 6 lines of crap all at once immediately after joining IS spam. and you'd have to be kind of an idiot to do that.. sooooo... |
| 18:28.01 | Cidan | Well; uhm, while I understand what you are trying to do, might I suggest you become a part of a community, mayhap make friends, and then ask? |
| 18:28.22 | Lunessa | Video killed the radio star. |
| 18:28.31 | jamesjr | I have been in here many times before...good song lunessa |
| 18:28.42 | zenzelezz | RIAA killed the video star |
| 18:29.01 | Cidan | WoW killed my social life? |
| 18:29.11 | Aelobin | i shot the sheriff |
| 18:29.16 | jamesjr | WoW is better than Nanover, I will admit,. |
| 18:29.24 | Cidan | Aelobin: You win. |
| 18:29.24 | Cairenn | you have, which is why I didn't immediately kickban you |
| 18:29.25 | jamesjr | But we desperately need BETA testers. |
| 18:29.26 | cog|work | offers some sandpaper for NightHawkTheSane's claws |
| 18:30.04 | jamesjr | Well thank you for that :) |
| 18:31.35 | jamesjr | I will even throw in a prepaid card for WoW if you e-mail me with some valuable criticism or a review that will help us improve the game. (wilmingtonestates@gmail.com) |
| 18:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, random question. How easy/hard is it to get OSX running in a VM? |
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| 18:32.28 | alestane | I just ran into Tinkertown, and a dwarf named Banhammer was pounding on the mailbox with a large hammer. |
| 18:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | Dwarfs are just like that. |
| 18:32.49 | zenzelezz | THAT WAS GREAT! |
| 18:33.02 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I think it can only be done *legally* on another Mac. VMWare offers Fusion for the OSX platform. |
| 18:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: bah. That's what I was afraid of. |
| 18:33.20 | jamesjr | Video for Nanover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHIbWJkn5Ik |
| 18:33.47 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: Why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 18:33.48 | alestane | The ToS for OS X require that you only install it on Apple hardware. |
| 18:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: debugging a minion bug that I think I fixed, but well, can't test |
| 18:34.08 | durcyn | SBO: last i checked, it required using a replacement kernel |
| 18:34.16 | Cidan | minion? |
| 18:34.24 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, force your friends to test it for you! :) |
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| 18:34.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you're looking at em' ;) |
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| 18:34.43 | Lunessa | Sbo - Virtual Box makes it easy. |
| 18:34.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: but legal is the question |
| 18:35.07 | Lopeppeppy | So put it somewhere and poke some peoples to test for you. We're all crazybats. |
| 18:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I have debated that |
| 18:35.51 | Lopeppeppy | Cloud Computing!!! |
| 18:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:36.07 | ScytheBlade1 | points for buzzwords! |
| 18:36.26 | Lopeppeppy | I wins. Give karma please, I was good! |
| 18:36.50 | cog|work | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 18:37.00 | Lunessa | SBO - I am wrong - VirtualBox will not host OSX on non-OSX native machines. |
| 18:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: yeah, that's what I figured |
| 18:38.11 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: I'm in OS X right now, what do you need? |
| 18:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: well first, I need to get this stupid jar to build |
| 18:38.44 | nevcairiel | If you don't care about legal implications, http://pcwizcomputer.com/index.php?Itemid=48&id=76&option=com_content&task=view |
| 18:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | growls at debian shipping ancient software even on the 'unstable' distribution |
| 18:38.49 | nevcairiel | @sbo |
| 18:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: it'll be a bit, but if you're still around I'll poke you, thanks |
| 18:39.52 | cog|work | http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/25/women-in-space-we-um-salute-you/ |
| 18:39.57 | Cidan | Cidan: Yep, I'll be here for another 3-4 hours. |
| 18:39.58 | Cidan | er |
| 18:39.59 | Cidan | wow |
| 18:40.03 | Cidan | why did I just write my own name? |
| 18:40.06 | Cidan | Man, I'm on crack. |
| 18:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You did |
| 18:40.09 | Cidan | ANYWAY. |
| 18:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And yes you are |
| 18:40.34 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: Do I need to install any dev software or something? I don't mind, just so I know ahead of time. |
| 18:40.44 | Cidan | ie: a java IDE, whatever else. |
| 18:40.50 | Thunder_Child | you ont need crack to do it Cidan |
| 18:40.53 | Thunder_Child | dont* |
| 18:41.00 | Cidan | Thunder_Child: D: |
| 18:41.04 | Lunessa | cog|work: Floppiness is for the lose. |
| 18:41.13 | Thunder_Child | i meant that i have done it as well |
| 18:41.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: no, just Minion. You'll be replacing a jar and seeing if it still works (and optionally, works better) |
| 18:41.27 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: What is Minion? |
| 18:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: ... heh. http://minion.mmoui.com/ |
| 18:42.26 | Cidan | That description is horrible. |
| 18:42.35 | Cidan | It's cute/clever, but horrible. |
| 18:42.36 | cog|work | Cidan: that thing Shirik_ has been working on for months... :P |
| 18:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | WoWI's addon updater |
| 18:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That work better? |
| 18:43.10 | Shirik_ | months is an underestimate |
| 18:43.17 | Cidan | I haven't been keeping up with Shirik's work as of late; he never rings me when he's in the area, I miss his sexy eyes. |
| 18:43.23 | Shirik_ | it was in design feb 2008 |
| 18:45.31 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: temper dear, temper |
| 18:45.36 | nicoli_s | man i cant believe blizz took lan out of sc2 |
| 18:45.43 | Cidan | what |
| 18:45.46 | Cidan | you're kidding? |
| 18:45.47 | Cairenn | nod |
| 18:45.47 | nevcairiel | yeah it sucks |
| 18:45.51 | nevcairiel | no lan mode is fail |
| 18:45.52 | nicoli_s | nope cidan :( |
| 18:45.56 | Cairenn | and apparently bnet2 will be pay |
| 18:45.57 | Cidan | What the holy fuck is that? |
| 18:46.15 | nevcairiel | a RTS with pay-per-month will be total failure |
| 18:46.22 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 18:46.27 | End | ... |
| 18:46.29 | End | whut |
| 18:46.30 | nevcairiel | it has in no way the addictive power like an MMO |
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| 18:46.35 | Fisker | it'll have payed features Cairenn |
| 18:46.36 | nevcairiel | i don't believe it'll be pay yet |
| 18:46.46 | Fisker | you won't need to pay to play |
| 18:46.54 | nicoli_s | dont say such things cairenn |
| 18:46.58 | Fisker | But they may have some small fees for custom leagues and ladders |
| 18:47.00 | nicoli_s | if we just dont talk about it it wont come true :P |
| 18:47.06 | Cidan | I think what will likely happen |
| 18:47.11 | Cidan | Is they will add LAN in later. |
| 18:47.17 | Cairenn | (2009-06-30 19:33:04) ***Dolby is very mad |
| 18:47.17 | Cairenn | (2009-06-30 19:33:13) Dolby: SC2 wont have LAN play |
| 18:47.17 | Cairenn | (2009-06-30 19:33:25) Dolby: and its rumored bnet 2.0 will be a paid service |
| 18:47.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: er, that wasn't a 'temper temper' thing, haha, that was me joking |
| 18:47.34 | Fisker | you should know better than to trust Dolby |
| 18:47.37 | Cairenn | didn't come across that way luv |
| 18:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | also he's wrong on the latter fact |
| 18:47.41 | nicoli_s | i think itll probably be that the new bnet will have some form of microtransactions |
| 18:47.41 | Thunder_Child | this is the lan part http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starcraft2/news.html?sid=6212765&om_act=convert&om_clk=gsupdates&tag=updates;title;3 |
| 18:47.43 | Cairenn | Fisker: I trust Dolby with my life |
| 18:47.48 | ScytheBlade1 | They semi-reecently said that bnet will be free |
| 18:47.51 | nevcairiel | Cidan: i don't think so really, they explictly said it was a decision to not do it at all |
| 18:47.52 | Fisker | you should trust me with my life |
| 18:47.56 | Cidan | The removal of LAN is to help keep piracy at a minimum; if you are required to connect to bnet to multiplay, then more people will be inclined to pay. |
| 18:48.03 | *** part/#wowuidev Dolby (n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby) |
| 18:48.09 | Cidan | So I am going to guess that after a while, it might be patched in. |
| 18:48.20 | Fisker | anyways Blizzard stated that the core package, i.e. playing, matchmaking etc. would be free |
| 18:48.22 | nevcairiel | Why would they, people payed already =P |
| 18:48.26 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, you scared dolby away |
| 18:48.34 | Fisker | but they were considering monetizing on stuff like custom leagues and ladders |
| 18:48.39 | Cidan | nevcairiel: *shrug* Because Blizzard does nice things for people that pay sometimes. |
| 18:48.43 | Cairenn | no, I fucked up and he's not happy with me |
| 18:48.56 | zenzelezz | :-x |
| 18:48.56 | Cidan | D: |
| 18:48.59 | Thunder_Child | oh, i thought he judt didnt like getting pinnged |
| 18:49.01 | zenzelezz | that sounds bad |
| 18:49.03 | Thunder_Child | pinged* |
| 18:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "2) Not only is it free to play onlint for people who purchase the game" <-- taken from a blue post |
| 18:49.14 | ScytheBlade1 | See if that cheers him up ;) |
| 18:49.28 | Thunder_Child | well CM's are not the final word |
| 18:49.30 | amro | the piracy argument isn't convincing. those that would restrict themselves to LAN play to avoid paying probably can't afford the game and would never buy it |
| 18:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | amro: emphasis 'probably' and to be honest, I doubt that is the case |
| 18:50.11 | Fisker | Thunder_Child it was from mike morhaime i believe |
| 18:50.16 | nevcairiel | meh alot of people use stuff like hamachi to play games |
| 18:50.20 | Fisker | blues just repeating what he originally said |
| 18:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: not anymore.. game devs are finding ways of preventing hamachi from working |
| 18:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: see SC2, with no LAN play period, see xbox 360, which refuses to connect to a LAN game with a latency of over 10ms |
| 18:51.18 | nicoli_s | im sure some form for private server will come out |
| 18:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Given enough time, I'm sure, yes |
| 18:51.39 | Fisker | http://starcraft.incgamers.com/blog/comments/e3-2009-battle.net-2.0-paid-service-a-possibility/ |
| 18:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | but I recommend.. |
| 18:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | !g bnetd wikipedia |
| 18:51.50 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: bnetd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_v._BnetD> |
| 18:52.02 | nicoli_s | screw incgamers, those people tried to screw me out of like 500 dollars :S |
| 18:52.07 | aesir | Pretty sure it's no LAN to ensure the Massive ad revenue pays off. If the ads get too annoying, a LAN solution would help push people to other non bnet options, like Hamachi. Piracy isn't as strong an argument for no LAN, at least in my mind. |
| 18:52.13 | Fisker | was the first hit nicoli_s :( |
| 18:52.16 | Cidan | I used to be a part of bnetd, ;P |
| 18:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | aesir: hamachi isn't an option with SC2 anyway |
| 18:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Cidan: =[ I used your software |
| 18:53.07 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 18:53.16 | aesir | Pretty sure Scytheblade that you can fill in the word Hamachi with your non-Bnet option of choice. I wrote it as an example. Still the advertising point remains. |
| 18:53.17 | Cidan | ScytheBlade1: Many did, I used to do reporting on warcraft3.net, before blizzard got the domain. |
| 18:53.22 | nevcairiel | My main issue with that; I am organizing a few big LAN Partys around here, and we cant always guarantee proper internet access for all the people there due to provider restrictions in some areas .. I hate not being able to offer SC2 tournaments because of that. |
| 18:53.54 | nicoli_s | Cidan, you happen to remember the wc3 site, wc3campaigns.net? |
| 18:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: I see that, yeah. |
| 18:54.36 | Cidan | nicoli_s: Yup. |
| 18:54.54 | nicoli_s | awesome, that was my first website i was ever a admin/mod of |
| 18:55.04 | Cidan | nicoli_s: Huh, neat! |
| 18:55.15 | nicoli_s | i cant wait till we get to launch a sc2 site here at curse :) |
| 18:55.48 | Cidan | I miss the good ol' days. xD |
| 18:55.52 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 18:56.01 | Fisker | well ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:56.06 | nicoli_s | before work/gaming/fun was intertwined |
| 18:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | well Fisker |
| 18:56.09 | amro | Cidan: you mean coding in JASS vs Lua? :P |
| 18:56.10 | Fisker | i wouldn't be surprised that the lan interface and code is still in when it gets released |
| 18:56.32 | Cidan | amro: Less the code, more the people. :P |
| 18:56.34 | nicoli_s | i really hope they do use lua for map editing |
| 18:56.39 | Fisker | they're not |
| 18:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: it is still weird to see you typing and not trolling |
| 18:56.45 | Fisker | C-like custom stuff |
| 18:56.45 | amro | JASS2 |
| 18:56.47 | amro | nightmares |
| 18:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: they're using a C-like custom language called Galaxy |
| 18:56.55 | Fisker | they call it galaxy |
| 18:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid jerks |
| 18:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | three games |
| 18:57.03 | nicoli_s | confirmation? |
| 18:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | three languages |
| 18:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I HATE YOU ALL |
| 18:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: forums.battle.net. stickies |
| 18:57.16 | nicoli_s | the only cool thing about jass was that you could do it in the editor, or just raw by yourself |
| 18:57.16 | Fisker | matchmaker faq |
| 18:57.18 | Fisker | err |
| 18:57.19 | Fisker | mapmaker |
| 18:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:57.31 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=17779588788&sid=3000 |
| 18:57.35 | amro | nicoli_s: you mean that you could personally experience its horrors? :) |
| 18:57.36 | Cairenn | (2009-07-01 14:51:57) nicoli_s: screw incgamers, those people tried to screw me out of like 500 dollars :S <=== huh? |
| 18:57.38 | amro | that language was full of traps |
| 18:58.52 | nicoli_s | Cairenn, i did some consoluting work for them way back in the day and i finished my work and then they tried to make me do more shit if i wanted to get my money |
| 18:59.03 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 18:59.15 | nicoli_s | like i was hired to do a spell database, and then when i was done, they wanted me to do an item one too, with no more money |
| 18:59.32 | Cairenn | >< |
| 18:59.49 | alestane | Does anyone have a GOOD experience of incgamers? |
| 18:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | I do... |
| 19:00.00 | nevcairiel | I have none, thats kind of good |
| 19:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I have many negative ones |
| 19:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | This was positive for many people. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22561&highlight=lothaer |
| 19:03.34 | alestane | When the most positive experience people have of you is your agreeing to stop being a negative one, that kind of says something... |
| 19:04.00 | alestane | They do sound like they're a cut above, say, the WoWMatrix people, in that they will usually own up to their mistakes. |
| 19:05.10 | Lunessa | alestane: they aren't all bad. But they haven't had a lot of good to their credit over the last 5 years. :( |
| 19:06.12 | alestane | They don't really sound reprehensible, but they do seem sort of clueless. |
| 19:06.50 | Lunessa | Yeah, that's about where I would classify them. |
| 19:07.24 | alestane | They've suffered more issues with things like getting their client hacked, not licensing the platform for their client, etc. |
| 19:07.58 | Fisker | http://www.wow.com/2009/07/01/blizzard-files-trademark-for-cataclysm/ |
| 19:07.59 | Fisker | "zomg" |
| 19:09.05 | NightHawkTheSane | zomg! |
| 19:09.06 | batrick | http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/lss/1246071348.html |
| 19:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ... people still read that site? |
| 19:10.47 | Lopeppeppy | It still does well for some things, as long as no murderers apply. |
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| 19:24.10 | cog|work | "I have CDO - It's like OCD but all the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be" |
| 19:25.04 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:25.11 | Cidan | I lawl'd. |
| 19:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Evil weather is once again evil, hail and flooding on the way. |
| 19:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s769415.shtml?cat=244 |
| 19:26.46 | Cidan | hail? |
| 19:26.48 | Cidan | seriously? |
| 19:26.51 | Cidan | in July? |
| 19:26.52 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. |
| 19:26.57 | alestane | I think it basically rained for the entire month of June, and so far July consists of passing thunderstorms. |
| 19:27.03 | Lopeppeppy | We had hail and snow last month too. |
| 19:27.18 | alestane | Hail can happen any time of year, it's always cold in the cloud strata. |
| 19:27.18 | cog|work | do want |
| 19:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | the snow, or the wet? |
| 19:27.38 | cog|work | and yeah, hail's actually MORE common in the summer in parts of the country, no? |
| 19:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, much more common in the summer here. |
| 19:27.59 | cog|work | more heat = faster rising air = bigger thunderheads |
| 19:28.25 | cog|work | both |
| 19:28.34 | cog|work | we're having a water shortage and heat waves. |
| 19:28.56 | Cidan | we're doing okay here. |
| 19:30.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm actually a bit phobic of thunderstorms, so this last week has sucked a lot. |
| 19:30.52 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:31.25 | alestane | Most people I know love them, so I find that strange, but that doesn't make it less true. |
| 19:32.57 | Lopeppeppy | Scarybadterrible. |
| 19:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry to hear that |
| 19:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (I love them) |
| 19:34.32 | Lopeppeppy | You can keep the nasty taters, I'll just sit over here and hate that my office has windows. |
| 19:34.55 | durcyn | boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew. |
| 19:35.07 | batrick | I just found this in a google advertisement in my gmail: http://www.resara.com/ |
| 19:35.11 | batrick | looks fascinating |
| 19:35.23 | alestane | cog|work: The first time I saw that on a button, it had a smidge more punch to it..."I have CDO; it's like OCD, except that the letters are in alphabetical order...AS THEY SHOULD BE." |
| 19:37.27 | alestane | snuggles Lopeppeppy safe and keeps her mind off the rumblies. |
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| 19:38.45 | Fisker | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-IE8-Commerical-tv-spot,8175.html <-rofl |
| 19:40.31 | cog|work | O.o |
| 19:41.04 | cog|work | damnit that brought back all the images that have been similarly burned into my brain |
| 19:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | EEEEW. |
| 19:44.33 | Lopeppeppy | Glad I didn't actually watch it. |
| 19:45.03 | Fisker | you shoul |
| 19:45.05 | Fisker | should |
| 19:46.56 | Lopeppeppy | No, kthx |
| 19:47.05 | alestane | That which is seen cannot be unseen. |
| 19:47.24 | Lopeppeppy | 'zactly |
| 19:48.16 | Cidan | You mean like this? http://nihilism.ca/~misc/HOW-TO/MS-OFFICE-FAQ.swf (NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW AND DISTURBING!) |
| 19:48.21 | cog|work | shame on you, wimmins! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31512869/ns/health-womens_health/ |
| 19:48.50 | cog|work | changes the subject |
| 19:48.55 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
| 19:49.15 | Fisker | Cidan |
| 19:49.16 | Fisker | nemesis |
| 19:49.20 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:49.28 | Lopeppeppy | That study is so full of holes. Hilarious pre-conceived notions. Of *course* eyes avoid looking at birth defects, it's genetic selection. |
| 19:49.43 | nicoli_s | im so glad i have learned to stop clicking on all irc links by defaul |
| 19:50.00 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: makes perfect evolutionary sense to me |
| 19:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 19:51.03 | Lunessa | OMGIGP |
| 19:53.51 | Lunessa | Actually, I find it an interesting dichotomy of thought that we want evolutionary forces to improve us as a species and yet we fight fight very hard to provide long, healthy lives to conditions which imply genetic weakness. (No, I'm not for euthanasia, eugenics, or any of that. I'm just intrigued by the /apparent/ disconnect.) |
| 19:54.30 | Lopeppeppy | I've always said, between our biology and our frelled up psychology, it's a wonder humans evolved and survive at all. |
| 19:54.55 | cog|work | evolutionary forces are a way to explain how we are. I don't consider them a prescription of how we should be. |
| 19:55.19 | Lunessa | cog|work: Me either. |
| 19:55.34 | Lunessa | notice I said /apparent/. |
| 19:56.22 | End | meh, evolutionary forces only work towards making sure we live long enough to have children |
| 19:57.18 | End | there's definitely stuff like cystic fibrosis, but I think more of the genetic weaknesses don't come into play until we're much older |
| 19:57.47 | End | and then evolution doesn't really have a play in it |
| 20:01.32 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/friends-with-benefits-cards-with-innuendos/2161 |
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| 20:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: win |
| 20:04.30 | Cidan | Shirik: I am seriously impressed with Minion. |
| 20:04.39 | Cidan | I mean, I'm actually totally blown away. |
| 20:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what you get for not trying it until now! |
| 20:05.37 | Kaso | So does wdn not have any code on it at the moment? or am i failing to understand how to click on things |
| 20:05.41 | Cidan | No, I tried the initial concept when Shirik firrrsst started it. |
| 20:05.44 | Kaso | wow compares i mean |
| 20:05.44 | Cidan | Way back. |
| 20:05.52 | Cidan | It has come a looongg way since I last tried it. |
| 20:06.50 | End | Kaso: yes, wowcompares is broken |
| 20:06.53 | End | ~wowcompares |
| 20:06.54 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, wowcompares is http://wowcompares.com, which is currently not working properly. In the meantime you can view the changes to WoW's FrameXML at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or on GitHub at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/master/FrameXML |
| 20:07.16 | Kaso | lovely thanks |
| 20:07.20 | End | :) |
| 20:07.37 | Kaso | ill clone the git that seems easiest |
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| 20:28.19 | foxlit | grrr |
| 20:28.20 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, everypeople! |
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| 20:28.35 | Kaso | I've written a little addon to add more slots to the blizzard loot frame, anyone know a mob i can kill that often or always drops >5 items so i can test it |
| 20:28.59 | foxlit | Overlord 2 elevator sequence is annoying -- they expect you to navigate obstacles using mouse motion |
| 20:29.04 | haste | why not use butsu :D ? |
| 20:30.09 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, go pick up a multi drop quest and use that |
| 20:30.31 | Kaso | Thunder_Child, like what? |
| 20:30.51 | Cruciformer | I dont think a multi-drop quest will show the same frame as the loot frame |
| 20:30.55 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, i dunno |
| 20:31.04 | Thunder_Child | it's still loot |
| 20:31.10 | Thunder_Child | even if it is quest loot |
| 20:31.11 | Kaso | what do you guys mean by multi-drop quest btw? |
| 20:31.31 | Thunder_Child | one that has multiple quest items that drops from a mob |
| 20:31.47 | Thunder_Child | you may need to do it in more than one quest with the same kill target |
| 20:32.18 | Kaso | hmm |
| 20:32.29 | Kaso | perhaps one of the old instance final bosses, baron drops a fair few things doesnt he? |
| 20:32.50 | Kaso | i could wait for the next raid, but i dont think i really want to be testing addons mid-raid >< |
| 20:32.53 | Lunessa | Mmm... most of them drop 3-4 things at most. |
| 20:33.06 | Cidan | Testing addons mid-raid is the most fun. |
| 20:33.17 | Cidan | It's amazing when you get your raid killed. |
| 20:33.30 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, if you have a dwarf you can go looking for chests in low levels |
| 20:33.37 | zenzelezz | some elemental mobs drop tons of stuff at a time if you've got a quest for them |
| 20:33.41 | Thunder_Child | slow but chests usually have more than 5 things |
| 20:33.48 | Kaso | ah, chests are a pretty good idea |
| 20:34.24 | Kaso | the supply crates in strat usually have two pages of crap in them |
| 20:34.34 | zenzelezz | true |
| 20:34.55 | Kaso | awesome ill go try that out |
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| 20:37.35 | tlund | Kaso: i didnt think the blizzard ui gave you access to more than 4 loots at the same time? |
| 20:37.55 | tlund | oh, the LOOT WINDOW, not the loot-roll-frames |
| 20:38.03 | Cruciformer | tlund: the blizzard loot ui doesnt but thats what his mod is "fixing" |
| 20:38.32 | tlund | Cruciformer: i confused it with the roll-frames. i tried to fix that, but it did not seem to be possible. |
| 20:39.33 | Kaso | I saw the roll-frame code but didnt look into it too hard. But as far as i can this should work, though at the moment it hasnt actually run yet (the code dynamically adds more LootButtons if the loot is >4, i havent looted anything >4 yet >< |
| 20:40.09 | Cruciformer | kaso: I asume you are making the loot frame bigger too? |
| 20:40.21 | Kaso | well it'd look silly otherwise ;p |
| 20:40.25 | Cruciformer | or are you scaling the buttons? |
| 20:40.31 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: nope, he's make each button 1 pixel tall |
| 20:40.33 | Kaso | no im making the whole frame taller |
| 20:40.35 | zenzelezz | it's super compact, for easy looting |
| 20:40.37 | Kaso | lol zenzelezz |
| 20:40.53 | Kaso | i dont know why the limited it to four |
| 20:40.55 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: smartass ... I was mid-thought :P |
| 20:41.14 | Kaso | i see no reason for having like up to 20 or greater if needs be |
| 20:41.23 | Kaso | the damn backwards and fowards buttons are a pain |
| 20:41.53 | Thunder_Child | so it doesnt cover your screen with loot? |
| 20:41.58 | alestane | It's also designed for people with smaller monitors. |
| 20:42.04 | Cruciformer | Kaso: It would be even better (imho) if you left teh frame the size it is but do away with the buttons and make it a scrolling frame instead, that you can scroll up and down in with teh mousewheel. |
| 20:42.32 | Kaso | that's interesting |
| 20:42.45 | Kaso | for my own purposes i'd prefer a larger frame, but thats a good idea too |
| 20:42.59 | Cruciformer | and when loot is removed from the list, instead of leaving a "hole" where the item was, shuffle everything up. |
| 20:43.46 | alestane | It can confusing to some people when buttons just jump around. |
| 20:44.05 | Cruciformer | like any good mod make that an option of course :) |
| 20:45.06 | Cidan | sigh |
| 20:45.13 | Cidan | They just don't make rap like they used to. |
| 20:45.15 | Cidan | cries. |
| 20:46.15 | nicoli_s | agree cidan |
| 20:46.25 | nicoli_s | though i heard this band the knux not too long ago, pretty good rap |
| 20:46.36 | nicoli_s | is a tad bit electronica though |
| 20:46.53 | Cidan | I've heard some things come and go, but it's just not the same; I mean, even the old school guys have gone... techno |
| 20:46.56 | Cidan | ie: Wyclef |
| 20:47.04 | Cidan | his new album is pure crap. |
| 20:47.27 | nicoli_s | listen to dead prez? |
| 20:47.32 | nicoli_s | they are fucking awesome |
| 20:47.33 | zenzelezz | "I'm sorry, I couldn't hear your song over the jingling sounds of the gold chains" |
| 20:47.35 | Cidan | yeah, have |
| 20:48.41 | Thunder_Child | song? it is not a song |
| 20:48.47 | Thunder_Child | music sure, but not a song |
| 20:49.26 | zenzelezz | I use loose definitions |
| 20:49.30 | zenzelezz | if it's got a lyric, it's a song |
| 20:50.37 | Thunder_Child | Song:"a short metrical composition intended or adapted for singing" |
| 20:50.41 | Thunder_Child | there is no singing |
| 20:51.10 | zenzelezz | I just told you why I call them songs |
| 20:51.37 | Thunder_Child | and i am going to harp untill you stop |
| 20:52.07 | zenzelezz | that won't happen, they'll always be songs to me. It's incorrect, but I'm fine with that |
| 20:52.19 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:52.27 | Cidan | I really need to stop bringing up rap with strangers |
| 20:52.54 | Cairenn | for all that have asked for it, Dolby has added the ability to choose which screenshot shows on the mouseovers, thumbnails, etc for your mod(s): http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=145659#post145659 |
| 20:53.17 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: tell him Dolby++ |
| 20:54.00 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:54.12 | zenzelezz | winks lewdly at Fisker |
| 20:54.15 | Fisker | herro |
| 20:54.21 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, but i am not |
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| 20:57.29 | Lunessa | LOL - Nightmare recruitment prospect - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031099931&sid=1 |
| 20:57.45 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: sucks to be you then |
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| 20:59.32 | Thunder_Child | thats what you think zenzelezz |
| 20:59.46 | zenzelezz | you're right, I do think so |
| 21:00.59 | Coren{de} | anyone know what frame/anchor is necessary to GameTooltip:SetOwner to place in the "default" place? |
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| 21:05.47 | Coren{de}_ | mmmh, seems my router wants me to not get an answer :> tried UIParent, ANCHOR_CURSOR or ANCHOR_PRESERVE, neither doing any good (tooltip in topleft corner or completely outside of screen) |
| 21:06.22 | cog|work | ANCHOR_NONE ? |
| 21:07.30 | Coren{de}_ | if ANCHOR_NONE is the same as leaving the arg completely out, tried that as well... |
| 21:08.09 | cog|work | what does the default UI do? |
| 21:08.09 | tekkub | what the hell is the "default place" ? |
| 21:08.31 | Coren{de}_ | the place a tooltip appears when you mouseover e.g. a unit |
| 21:08.45 | Coren{de}_ | bottom-right, just above the bags |
| 21:08.45 | tekkub | yea, and what is that? :P |
| 21:08.56 | tekkub | some people have it bottom right, some have it at mouse |
| 21:10.17 | Coren{de}_ | well, if you have no addons whatsoever installed, it's bottom right I think, so that's the default place ~ |
| 21:10.25 | Kaso | SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT",UIParent,"BOTTOMRIGHT",-13,85) |
| 21:10.46 | Kaso | seems to be where mine is |
| 21:13.21 | ccox | hmm, just noticed that my PTR toon has 25k more honor than yesterday, for an even 75000 |
| 21:13.26 | ccox | don't know if they gave everyone 75k or what |
| 21:13.40 | Kaso | 75k is the cap isnt it? |
| 21:13.54 | Kaso | so that seems plausible |
| 21:13.57 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 21:35.52 | Thunder_Child | wow...western union is expensive |
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| 21:44.19 | Lunessa | There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. |
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| 21:46.16 | Kraps | Blizzard files trademark for "Cataclysm" |
| 21:46.19 | Kraps | lulz |
| 21:49.06 | durcyn | bet you a dollar it's the name of the Maelstrom / South Seas expansion |
| 21:51.51 | Kraps | the guy on wowinsider says it might be the name of the next mmo |
| 21:52.11 | Kraps | Update: We noticed the domain wowcataclysm.com expired on June 26th, 2009. The domain was previously held and parked out in Australia. June 26th is the same day the trademark was filed with the US Patent & Trademark Office. The domain is also now held by GoDaddy, who we know handles Blizzard domains. That's just a little too much coincidence for us to stay quiet about. It's entirely possible... |
| 21:52.12 | Kraps | ...Blizzard just acquired the domain name. |
| 21:52.14 | nicoli_s | it could be a number of things |
| 21:52.24 | durcyn | wowinsider's often wrong about everything |
| 21:52.28 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:52.30 | kd3 | ^^^^ |
| 21:52.52 | Pneumatus | thats what you get for being owned by aol |
| 21:53.48 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:55.54 | Kraps | archived mail in gmail doesnt take up space? |
| 21:56.29 | Coren{de} | mkay, I'm stupid today. |
| 21:57.23 | Pneumatus | godaddy, who handles blizzards (and many millions of others) domains |
| 21:57.33 | Pneumatus | *facepalm |
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| 21:58.11 | durcyn | Administrative Contact: Some guy in australia |
| 21:58.16 | durcyn | NICE TRY, WOWINSIDER |
| 21:58.39 | durcyn | and ffs, it was registered two years ago |
| 21:59.45 | Gnarfoz | cataclysm is also the name of one of the realm pools :p |
| 22:00.17 | Gnarfoz | and no, it doesn't make sense, wowinsider is just full of crap once again |
| 22:01.49 | Xinhuan | at least its a fairly reliable grapevine |
| 22:02.11 | Kaso | tut tut tut, blizzard using tabs and and spaces intermixed in this same xml file |
| 22:02.14 | Xinhuan | even if its wrong half the time, its right half the other time ;p |
| 22:02.24 | Gnarfoz | except that it's not 50:50 :P |
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| 22:04.01 | tase | Hey is there a simple way of making a cast sequence that is like "if (first spell) then cast forst bolt elseif (health < frostboltdamage) then cast frostbolt else cast fireball" ? |
| 22:04.03 | Kraps | i gotta buy the blizzcon stream! |
| 22:04.11 | kd3 | tase; no |
| 22:04.34 | Thunder_Child | Xinhuan, you just said 50:25 |
| 22:04.47 | Kaso | bad the entire "new" macro system is designed to stop that sort of macro tase ;p |
| 22:05.24 | Kaso | s/bad// |
| 22:05.31 | Pneumatus | 'new' being the 2.0 macro system |
| 22:05.39 | Kaso | its new to me ;p |
| 22:06.00 | Kaso | the old days feel like only a few months ago to me |
| 22:06.12 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 22:06.29 | tase | can't script in a /cast ? |
| 22:06.48 | Gnarfoz | add about 2 years to that and you're in the right ballpark, Kaso ;D |
| 22:07.09 | Gnarfoz | tase: can't make decisions based on hp |
| 22:07.11 | Lunessa | At the risk of seeming like a jerk, the macro system will not make choices for you. You actually have to pay attention to what you're doing. |
| 22:07.17 | Gnarfoz | it will, but not those |
| 22:07.25 | Kaso | i remeber old days of "push to tank" macros |
| 22:07.42 | Kraps | when blizzcon.rayv.com asks for username/pw do they mean the wow one? |
| 22:07.44 | Gnarfoz | well, that's what 2.0 fixed |
| 22:07.49 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: of course not |
| 22:08.02 | Kraps | thats what i thought |
| 22:08.04 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: nobody but the wow login screen and account management should ever ask you that |
| 22:08.26 | Gnarfoz | and I thought those reminders were totally superfluous, but apparently people actually fall for phising ;D |
| 22:09.04 | Cide | tase: the answer is no |
| 22:09.23 | Cide | the specifics are likely far too advanced for your understanding |
| 22:09.26 | Cide | so let's leave it at that |
| 22:09.28 | Cide | good night |
| 22:09.35 | tase | orly |
| 22:09.38 | tase | what a jerk |
| 22:09.39 | Gnarfoz | nevermind Cide, lol |
| 22:10.18 | tase | well "cant make a descision based on hp" sounds fine for me |
| 22:10.28 | Gnarfoz | check cogwheel's excellent macro guide for what you can do with current macros |
| 22:11.07 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro - if I recognize it correctly |
| 22:11.36 | Shirik_ | hehehe |
| 22:11.41 | Shirik_ | why C# and I don't mix |
| 22:11.44 | Shirik_ | foreach (Port candidate in from candidate in unmatchedPorts where candidate.Name == port.Name select candidate) |
| 22:11.44 | tase | will do that, but a realquick question, can the new macro system do a descision based on spell result ? |
| 22:11.52 | kd3 | no |
| 22:12.03 | kd3 | the full list of things macros are allowed to react to is in cog's guide |
| 22:12.37 | Kraps | PayPal The safer, easier way to pay. cool story bro |
| 22:13.02 | NeoTron | of course, the "speculation" on the next expansion is likely true and there isn't a whole lot of doubt about what it'll be about in general |
| 22:13.40 | Kraps | You will receive the Grunty the Murloc Marine pet code and redemption instructions via email 6-8 weeks after the event |
| 22:13.45 | Kraps | WAT |
| 22:14.59 | Coren{de} | Shirik, that line reads like it's written in sql backwards... evil sql? :D |
| 22:15.03 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: what about it |
| 22:15.14 | Kraps | why 6-8 weeks? |
| 22:15.16 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: there's only so many options, heh |
| 22:15.16 | Shirik_ | Coren{de}: C# queries are fun |
| 22:15.31 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: it's been like that the last time, too, is all I can say |
| 22:15.42 | Kraps | dang |
| 22:16.02 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: the Maelstrom / goblin areas and such is still very likely the place to be |
| 22:16.16 | kd3 | undermine yay |
| 22:16.33 | nicoli_s | i didnt even know you could do shit like that shiriki |
| 22:17.03 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: Emerald Dream doesn't lend itself to be an extire expansion, probably |
| 22:17.14 | NeoTron | well |
| 22:17.25 | NeoTron | emerald dream is an exact copy of the world, except in its raw state |
| 22:17.45 | NeoTron | and now corrupted.. so technically speaking it could be a game of itself with all zones :P |
| 22:17.59 | Gnarfoz | except that's just what wowwiki says |
| 22:18.05 | Gnarfoz | I was talking about the existing zone in WoW |
| 22:18.07 | Gnarfoz | :) |
| 22:18.23 | NeoTron | my data comes from the books |
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| 22:18.41 | NeoTron | the existing zone really isn't anything "like" the emerald dream anyway |
| 22:18.55 | Gnarfoz | I stick to WoW for facts, ;) |
| 22:19.30 | kd3 | >.> |
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| 22:30.58 | Hirsute | There's an actual emerald dream zone in WoW? Huh. Learn something new every day. |
| 22:32.07 | Gnarfoz | rather inaccessible, though ;) |
| 22:32.13 | bleeter | emerald dream could 'easily' be an entire phased world |
| 22:32.19 | bleeter | *the entire world, phased |
| 22:32.42 | bleeter | makes it cheap and easy for the landscape artists and we all know Blizz like cheap n easy lolol :P |
| 22:32.47 | Gnarfoz | if they make it be that way, sure |
| 22:33.23 | Thunder_Child | they really should open up the area east of fellwood |
| 22:33.32 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Has someone actually been there? Or is it just assumed it's there because of the non-functional portals the green dragons are guarding? |
| 22:33.41 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: far north coast of kalimdor, too |
| 22:34.02 | bleeter | well, really should throw out Classic landscape and start again without the 'cheats' |
| 22:34.09 | Gnarfoz | Hirsute: "it's in the files" is about all I can say without crossing the ToS line ;P |
| 22:34.10 | Thunder_Child | you mean up past moongalde? |
| 22:34.16 | Thunder_Child | glade* |
| 22:34.26 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Ah. I see. |
| 22:34.42 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: yeah you can get there with some creative leaping off winterspring |
| 22:34.51 | bleeter | well, used to be able to dunno if can still |
| 22:35.12 | kd3 | creative leaping off winterspring <3 |
| 22:36.01 | bleeter | kd3: i've finished mirroring the ppc repo, time to get back to downloading PTR so I can make that presto diff ;) |
| 22:36.10 | kd3 | lol |
| 22:36.35 | bleeter | only doing it to give you n me a good chuckle ;) |
| 22:36.56 | bleeter | see above re: blizz being cheap n easy :P |
| 22:37.05 | Kraps | downloading starcraft now |
| 22:38.21 | Industrial | Kraps: ! |
| 22:38.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I just finished the original SC campaign |
| 22:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | well, re-finished |
| 22:38.31 | Kraps | Industrial: ? |
| 22:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I had forgotten how awesome protoss 9 and 10 are |
| 22:38.58 | alestane | Temporarily stuck on Zerg 9. |
| 22:39.04 | Industrial | Kraps: nm |
| 22:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Remind me which mission that is? |
| 22:39.13 | Industrial | im at p9 atm |
| 22:39.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Collect the crystals? |
| 22:39.17 | alestane | The Invasion of Aiur. |
| 22:39.26 | alestane | Get the Khaydarin Crystals and survive. |
| 22:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, yes |
| 22:39.38 | alestane | It's the survive part at the end that gave me trouble. |
| 22:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Mass mutalisks and guardians |
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| 22:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 1 group of guardians, as many mutalisks as you can manage |
| 22:39.49 | Industrial | yeah thats what I did |
| 22:39.56 | alestane | But now I know there's an expansion accessible early. |
| 22:40.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Then wipe out everything before starting the survive |
| 22:40.03 | Industrial | just kill everything first then start the timer thingy |
| 22:40.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, yes, heh |
| 22:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That helps |
| 22:40.16 | alestane | Also a flight or two of scourge, I think, for taking out carriers. |
| 22:40.42 | alestane | Those carriers can do really huge amounts of damage if you don't focus them down quickly. |
| 22:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have the gas to burn, sure. Otherwise three groups of mutalisks make the carriers look like marines |
| 22:40.54 | nicoli_s | i loved getting giant carrier swarms |
| 22:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Focus fire 2-3 groups and they drop quite quickly |
| 22:41.11 | alestane | If you can farm up 36 mutalisks, sure. |
| 22:41.37 | Thunder_Child | the new protoss mothership looks sillt |
| 22:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, true :) |
| 22:41.40 | Thunder_Child | silly* |
| 22:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, you want a really big hint on how to make that mission easier? |
| 22:42.47 | alestane | Me? |
| 22:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 22:42.55 | Kraps | the forums are full of "World of Warcraft:Cataclysm" posts :) |
| 22:43.06 | alestane | What's your hint? |
| 22:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't move any units south of your base period until you're ready to attack |
| 22:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | There are three protoss forces on the map, only one of which is active by default |
| 22:43.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Moving units south of your base, past the walls, triggers the AI for the other two |
| 22:44.04 | alestane | I've been doing a lot more build-up then I did the first time, true. I start by ringing the cliff south of me with spore colonies, and sunken colonies inside that. |
| 22:44.26 | alestane | Both at once, or whichever one you intrude on? |
| 22:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Both at once |
| 22:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And honestly, that's overkill in terms of defense |
| 22:44.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I had two groups of (burrowed) zergling for that |
| 22:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | They die to reavers, but also take the reavers out |
| 22:45.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Much cheaper that way, letting you focus on mutalisks |
| 22:46.48 | Grum | there is no NDA for the beta? :D |
| 22:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Then expand to the right, more zerglings for defense there, and just mass mutas until you have 5-6 groups of them and a group of guardians |
| 22:47.13 | Lunessa | I'm probably going to be drawn and quartered when I say, "Never played SC." |
| 22:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Toss in a few groups of zergling and then start an attack-move south |
| 22:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: full game (original+expansion), $15 |
| 22:48.14 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: The problem is the physical discomfort caused by most RTS games. |
| 22:48.31 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: It pretty much keeps them from coming over the wall, especially with a handful of hydras or mutalisks for support. |
| 22:48.34 | Lunessa | The game involves WAY too much mouse use to work for me. |
| 22:48.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: ah |
| 22:48.58 | Grum | Lunessa: the new or old one? |
| 22:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: every time I tried that, I wound up too short on resources to mount an effective attack |
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| 22:49.14 | Lunessa | Grum: The original. I'm not a beta tester. |
| 22:49.28 | Grum | wasnt a lot bindable? |
| 22:49.31 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: single player? |
| 22:49.31 | Grum | or already bound? |
| 22:49.33 | alestane | I don't think that'll be so much of a problem, no that I've done my scouting. |
| 22:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: yes |
| 22:49.40 | Grum | creating units/moving around on the map by bookmarks etc |
| 22:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: everything south of that wall is more or less a solid protoss base, consisting of three factions |
| 22:50.11 | alestane | Yes, I've noticed. |
| 22:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | heh :) |
| 22:50.47 | alestane | The one straight south of me had a carrier by the time I tried to engage them, possibly they started with one. |
| 22:51.04 | alestane | Trying to come down the wall into their base wasn't working, too much defense. |
| 22:51.14 | Kraps | the way i play rts games: turtle, horde resources, build a huge army, zerg, profit |
| 22:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | They start out with a couple carriers already in play |
| 22:51.30 | Lunessa | Grum: clicking to select units and targets in real time means I can play for at most, 30 minutes. |
| 22:51.41 | Grum | ugh |
| 22:51.47 | Grum | upgrade to bionic arms? :( |
| 22:52.14 | alestane | Lunessa: That's always a factor, but I've been learning about grouping hotkeys that help reduce that strain quite a bit. |
| 22:52.22 | Lunessa | Grum: When they're good enough that I can cop a feel and the woman won't complain that they're metal/cold/uglier than me... sure. |
| 22:52.40 | Kraps | Lunessa: do you play games like civilization? |
| 22:53.02 | Lunessa | Kraps - yes because I can play it nearly exclusively with the keyboard. |
| 22:53.06 | Kraps | turn-based, thats the term |
| 22:53.20 | Lunessa | And turn based is AWESOME. :) |
| 22:53.47 | bleeter | I still laugh at the reason I got banned from betas |
| 22:53.49 | Kraps | i suck at those, but reading the technology in civ4 was awesome |
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| 22:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: do you know anything about the final few protoss missions? |
| 22:55.02 | alestane | I'm on Protoss 5 or 6, I took a break to finish the others first. |
| 22:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's just say that you'll find yourself managing multiple bases that are rather far from each other, all of which come under attack decently often |
| 22:55.45 | alestane | I escorted Tassadar out of the space station to go look for Zeratul, and I might have started the one after that, but I don't think I finished it. |
| 22:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | On the final protoss mission, they had a habit of sending in twenty (a literal 20) ultralisks mixed in with some zergling, mutalisks, and guardians at one specific base |
| 22:56.15 | Lunessa | Kraps: I love me some Civ, even if the game has screwy mechanics. Aside from WoW and anything I happen to be beta-testing it's the only game on my computer. |
| 22:57.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That was quite painful |
| 22:58.09 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: It sounds it. Massive air defense sounds critical. |
| 22:58.23 | amro | Lunessa: which civ? |
| 22:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | actually I just let that base get stomped flat three times, and rebuilt it all three times |
| 22:58.56 | Lunessa | amro: Civ IV - I need to get the expansion for it too. But I've played (and still own) all of them. |
| 23:00.01 | amro | Civ4 is awesome, but the earlier games were a bit too complicated for my taste |
| 23:00.19 | Nechckn_AFK | warlords and beyond the sword are decent additions |
| 23:00.45 | Nechckn_AFK | I ended up going via Direct2Drive, didn't even take that long to d/l |
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| 23:01.13 | Thunder_Child | i picked up the chronicles pack |
| 23:01.20 | Thunder_Child | worth it |
| 23:05.26 | Kraps | is there a difference between D2D and steam, besides just being competitors? |
| 23:06.51 | Lunessa | I was planning to grab the chronicles pack just for the hell of it. |
| 23:07.18 | Kraps | whats that? |
| 23:07.35 | Kraps | gtg |
| 23:13.09 | bleeter | wtb: bulk discount for realm transfers |
| 23:14.26 | bleeter | if they did do it, they'd get my transfers + renew my subs.. without it, they get stuff all 'coz it's stupid one off expensive |
| 23:16.36 | Mikk | aye should be something like x2--x3 to transfer as many toons as you like from one server to another, in one big operation |
| 23:18.28 | bleeter | Mikk: aye, it's just rude to stiff people $250 to move a full roster |
| 23:19.36 | bleeter | Mikk: btw, why is it every time I start up steam it tells me I just added you as a friend. I'm not complaining you're a friend, I rarely use steam.. just.. |
| 23:19.49 | bleeter | .. curious why it keeps telling me that. you seem to use steam, any ideas? |
| 23:19.50 | Mikk | er good question since i'm not signed up for steam at all |
| 23:19.56 | bleeter | oh maybe it's another mikk |
| 23:20.00 | bleeter | odd |
| 23:20.18 | Mikk | at least i don't think i am oO |
| 23:20.32 | Mikk | i know for a fact i've never bought/DLd anything via it |
| 23:21.25 | bleeter | btw aussies: http://games.on.net/file/27652/World_of_Warcraft_3.2_PTR_Patch |
| 23:21.32 | bleeter | woots for unmetered d/l! |
| 23:22.05 | bleeter | whoever listened to my rant about getting internode to be an official mirror... thanks :) |
| 23:22.36 | bleeter | 'tis the only thing that currently keeps me interested tbh |
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| 23:22.50 | amro | unmetered downloads? |
| 23:23.16 | bleeter | amro: on.net is one of the biggest ISPs in .au |
| 23:24.16 | Gnarfoz | I think what he was trying to say was "metered internet access?!" |
| 23:24.36 | bleeter | and they mirror a shedload of games stuff, all unmetered to their customers |
| 23:24.43 | amro | no, I meant "are unmetered downloads the only thing keeping you interested in wow?" |
| 23:25.33 | bleeter | amro: I wouldn't bother with the PTR if it were metered, and I'm still debating whether to keep the sub up after it expires. unmetered patching/updates is certainly a factor in that decision too |
| 23:26.29 | bleeter | the eldest daughter of the lady I've hooked up with plays NWN, so there's actually a possibility someone else may pay for me to play for a bit lolmanwhoregamer |
| 23:26.52 | bleeter | apparently she wants to play wow.. oops |
| 23:32.10 | ReAn | there's a mod out there that gives people's gear a rating based on ilevel, and lists it off (ranking memebers of a raid) |
| 23:32.15 | amro | hm, is there a way to pause/stop downloading a steam update? |
| 23:32.15 | ReAn | what's it called, anyone know? |
| 23:32.31 | Gnarfoz | Gearvalue? |
| 23:32.46 | bleeter | steam itself? don't think so.. only the stuff inside steam |
| 23:32.48 | Gnarfoz | amro: right click the tray icon, at least there used to be an option there |
| 23:32.55 | ccox | ReAn - Pawn is a good one |
| 23:33.00 | Gnarfoz | well, yeah, not the "platform update" ones |
| 23:33.14 | Gnarfoz | Pawn ranks raid members? ;o |
| 23:33.19 | bleeter | yeah not the platform updates, the app updates just right click the app |
| 23:33.23 | ccox | No, I missed that part |
| 23:33.33 | ccox | I was typing a correction |
| 23:34.08 | ReAn | ccox: it's not pawn i don't think, it's supposed to rank the gear of the entire raid and list it off like a recount dump |
| 23:34.17 | amro | stupid download is killing my bandwidth |
| 23:34.48 | ccox | ReAn- I remember seeing that, but don't recall the name |
| 23:36.44 | ReAn | GearScore! |
| 23:37.04 | ccox | FubarGearRating, but no longer works |
| 23:37.52 | ccox | Inspect Their Gadgets - but abandoned |
| 23:38.05 | ReAn | i found it |
| 23:38.07 | ReAn | 'GearScore' |
| 23:39.01 | ccox | ah, looks useful |
| 23:39.47 | ccox | it's not perfect - leaves out gems and enchants |
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| 23:48.33 | dardack | when are they gonna fix this additional instances stuff |
| 23:48.46 | kd3 | soon as the next hardware rollout happens |
| 23:49.05 | dardack | yea wish that was yesterday |
| 23:53.24 | bleeter | well I'm glad I'm not going to blizzcon |
| 23:53.37 | bleeter | 'coz i doubt they'll present a 'battleplan' for h/w issues like they used to |
| 23:53.42 | bleeter | and I'd freakin' riot |
