| 00:01.40 | Kraps | Devastate now causes 60% weapon damage (up from 50%) plus 121 (up from 101) at max rank. Lower ranks increased accordingly. |
| 00:01.40 | Kraps | okish |
| 00:01.40 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.40 | Kraps | very hot |
| 00:02.06 | kd3 | wru ptr realms? |
| 00:02.43 | kd3 | ho... they pulled CombatLog.lua? |
| 00:04.10 | Kraps | engineering is sick now |
| 00:04.20 | Thunder_Child | really? changing factions? |
| 00:04.32 | Thunder_Child | blizz might be pandering a bit to much now |
| 00:04.57 | WobNet | tekkub: wtf chuck? |
| 00:05.21 | bleeter | Kraps: wait for the pre-live nerfs.. :/ |
| 00:05.40 | Kraps | bleeter: heh |
| 00:06.23 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, WoW is for scrubs and casuals now |
| 00:06.32 | Thunder_Child | i think the faction change is going to be a bigger problem than anything it will solve |
| 00:06.53 | tekkub | WobNet: yup |
| 00:07.03 | WobNet | tekkub: urgh, you suggest a thrown weapon for hunters? |
| 00:07.10 | ZorbaBeta | what do you think the problems will be? |
| 00:07.24 | Legorol | horde -> alliance, clearly |
| 00:07.35 | Legorol | all the people that are only playing horde because they are stuck there will change now |
| 00:07.36 | Thunder_Child | heh, there is an imballance already |
| 00:07.37 | NightHawkTheSane | +EXTENDED = "|cff00ff00Extended|r"; -- Raid lock has been extended |
| 00:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | +EXTEND_RAID_LOCK = "Extend Raid Lock"; |
| 00:07.48 | NightHawkTheSane | extended raid locks.. ? |
| 00:07.50 | kd3 | ya, was wondering about that too |
| 00:07.50 | tekkub | you know, I'm nya close to just removing the fucking weapons |
| 00:07.51 | WobNet | I'd change most of my alliance to horde |
| 00:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | curious. |
| 00:07.59 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: interesting |
| 00:08.08 | kd3 | maybe letting raid locks run for more than aw week? |
| 00:08.14 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe. |
| 00:08.16 | Legorol | that'd... awesome! |
| 00:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | not a half bad idea |
| 00:08.22 | Legorol | and it wouldn't hurt anyone |
| 00:08.31 | Legorol | positively awesome idea if that's the case |
| 00:08.49 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: i disagree that WoW is for scrubs |
| 00:09.04 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: my guild is not half bad, and we haven'te killed Yoggy on 25 yet. |
| 00:09.10 | Legorol | Let alone get started on hardmodes |
| 00:09.14 | bleeter | maybe if no-one's beat a raid in a week, the lock gets extended until someone does? that'd be nice, no resets having to start again. |
| 00:09.20 | Kraps | "A Non-Elitist, Balanced Perspective On Emblem " sure sure |
| 00:09.21 | bleeter | *the locks |
| 00:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: you'll fit in nicely, then? ;) |
| 00:09.33 | Legorol | Kraps: wut? |
| 00:09.38 | Legorol | is that an article or a patch change? |
| 00:09.42 | Kraps | title of a thread |
| 00:09.45 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, I may have been making a joke ;) |
| 00:10.01 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: i may have missed it, due to the complexities of the intarwebz |
| 00:10.19 | ZorbaBeta | (my guild is trying yoggy-25 for the first time in about half an hour :D) |
| 00:10.24 | Legorol | i think that as far as catering for all sorts of playstyles are concerned, WoW is absolutely amazing |
| 00:10.53 | Legorol | despite all the QQ you can see on forums sometimes (which represents minority opinions from elitist snobs), i think Blizz is generally handling the difficulty changes in WoW well |
| 00:11.07 | Legorol | all the "let's nerf bosses so more people can kill it" moves are justified usually, |
| 00:11.13 | Legorol | and the incoming emblem changes are good too |
| 00:11.38 | Legorol | WoW's huge appeal is in part exactly because almost all level of players can find something for themselves to do |
| 00:11.58 | Legorol | a bunch of my friends in my old guild are happily raiding Kara 10 each week, not even clearing it, and that's their raiding life and excitement |
| 00:12.06 | Kraps | if i'm new to SC/Diablo, will i know whats going on in the new games? |
| 00:12.17 | Legorol | Kraps: sure, blow stuff up. |
| 00:12.19 | Legorol | or kill stuff |
| 00:12.22 | alestane | You'll still be able to kill shit. |
| 00:12.23 | WobNet | They should totally nerf kara so the bosses meet you at the door and hand you loot |
| 00:12.31 | Legorol | lol alestane, gmta |
| 00:12.37 | Kraps | i meant storywise |
| 00:12.45 | Legorol | WobNet: sure, why not, who cares about old content? |
| 00:12.54 | WobNet | it's true =( |
| 00:13.01 | alestane | Kraps: From what I've seen, you'll be able to figure out enough to grasp most of what's going on. |
| 00:13.02 | bleeter | new players |
| 00:13.09 | Legorol | Kraps: as is usual with Blizz tradition, the story in previous games is awesome, and i'm sure you will still be able to play the new ones even if you missed it |
| 00:13.20 | WobNet | they should offer the level lock |
| 00:13.21 | bleeter | Legorol: people seem to forget that it's the new players who have to face old content. |
| 00:13.26 | WobNet | for old content |
| 00:13.32 | Legorol | bleeter: but not raid content |
| 00:13.44 | alestane | But you may enjoy it more if you familiarize yourself with the older games, because then not only will you get what's going on, you'll get how it ties into what happened before. |
| 00:13.55 | Legorol | bleeter: or at least not old raid content, i mean |
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| 00:14.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, definitly looks like they're implementing -some- kind of support for extending raid locks, i think.. |
| 00:14.26 | NightHawkTheSane | +function RaidInfoExtendButton_OnClick(self) |
| 00:14.30 | bleeter | Legorol: it's hard enough getting an old 5man instance group |
| 00:14.31 | NightHawkTheSane | line 2615 in kd3's diff |
| 00:14.36 | Kraps | Legorol: i know most of it, but the new wow book by Golden was the bomb |
| 00:14.46 | bleeter | Legorol: with someone who's experienced and knows it... for a new player, that is |
| 00:14.48 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, diablo: there's a dude named diablo, he's evil. some hero killed diablo, then jammed diablo's soul into his brain. shockingly, he became diablo, and some other dude killed him again. NEXT: DIABLO COMES BACK (again) |
| 00:15.16 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta: aww man :( |
| 00:15.22 | WobNet | SPOILERS |
| 00:15.25 | WobNet | =( |
| 00:15.41 | ZorbaBeta | c'mon, there is basically no plot twist in that entire thing :P |
| 00:15.45 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta: the prince becomes evil |
| 00:15.59 | Legorol | bleeter: it's hard to get groups for old content, period. |
| 00:16.00 | Kraps | the end |
| 00:16.04 | Kraps | for now |
| 00:16.08 | Legorol | bleeter: and if you have to do it without experienced players, even better, you actually *gasp* get to explore! |
| 00:16.18 | WobNet | people don't want to do old raid content unless they massively outlevel it and can zerg it all |
| 00:16.36 | Legorol | bleeter: i'm actually unsure whether we are arguing against each other, or agreeing |
| 00:16.38 | bleeter | Legorol: yeah but newbs then miss out on the fun of SM/ST/ZF etc. |
| 00:17.04 | Legorol | bleeter: depends on what you feel is the fun about them. |
| 00:17.13 | Kraps | bleeter: SM is fun, not the other 2 |
| 00:17.14 | Legorol | Doing those instances with level appropriate groups is certainly fun. |
| 00:17.17 | Kraps | :p |
| 00:17.30 | Legorol | but considering the speed of leveling, you get to 70 quick-ish, and then you can start doing instances in "current" content |
| 00:17.58 | bleeter | Legorol: ok Blizz say it's about MAXLEVEL. MAXLEVEL is about instances. No instancing before MAXLEVEL means newbs at MAXLEVEL are inexperienced. Inexperience means pain in the neck for old hands. |
| 00:18.10 | Legorol | bleeter: my question to you is, which is the bigger problem, that newbs don't get to go through old instances, or that old nostalgic players feel the old content is now gone ;) |
| 00:18.13 | bleeter | pain in the neck means old hands give up the game |
| 00:18.27 | bleeter | people giving up the game mean faction change |
| 00:18.27 | Legorol | ok i see your point |
| 00:18.38 | Legorol | it's an interesting line of thought you have there |
| 00:18.45 | Legorol | however, consider this: |
| 00:18.52 | bleeter | victim of own success kinda thing |
| 00:18.57 | Legorol | whether an old player has to put up with inexperience at level 20 or at 80, does it matter? |
| 00:19.05 | ZorbaBeta | I still say that Blizzard needs to make a more gradual series of lv80 dungeons |
| 00:19.08 | Legorol | that newb has to enter an instance for the first time at *some* point |
| 00:19.12 | Legorol | and someone has to go with him |
| 00:19.16 | ZorbaBeta | people hit lv80 and try to jump into heroics and fail miserably 'cause they have no idea what they're doing |
| 00:19.22 | Legorol | unless it's a group full of newbs |
| 00:19.43 | bleeter | Legorol: it's less 'critical' to be experienced at 20, people generally agree that 1-(MAXLEVEL-1) are about learning class and stuffs |
| 00:19.55 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: as a matter of principle, i refuse to group with people for heroics that haven't done the place on normal yet. Even if they have i239 |
| 00:19.57 | Torhal | Legorol: When you're in the middle of a raid instance, you should kinda have a clue where your own asshole is. |
| 00:20.27 | Legorol | i think you guys are forgetting that that newb will have instance experience from 70 onwards |
| 00:20.27 | Torhal | Right now, there are many fail raids because of the quick levelling without actually playing the class. |
| 00:20.34 | Legorol | there's always a lot of groups for current content |
| 00:20.47 | ZorbaBeta | on my server there ain't ;) |
| 00:20.58 | Legorol | i disagree with the theory that people are failing in raids because they didn't instance from 1-70 |
| 00:21.11 | Pneumatus | level 80 non-heroic groups are non-existant on my realm |
| 00:21.12 | Legorol | i beleive it's because they didn't instance at 80, because there are no attunements |
| 00:21.20 | Pneumatus | HoL/UP for example |
| 00:21.25 | Kraps | tier costs 58 emblems heh |
| 00:21.26 | Legorol | i beleive the lack of experience is a result of a lack of clear forced progression at endgame |
| 00:21.39 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, agreed |
| 00:21.53 | Torhal | I don't care when they get the experience: They simply aren't in 3.0 |
| 00:21.59 | Legorol | i beleive the solution lies in social force: |
| 00:22.03 | Torhal | It could get bad in 2.0, but it's just horrific now. |
| 00:22.25 | Legorol | instead of the current stupid system of not taking people to Naxx 10 who don't have Naxx 10 achi, i'd prefer not taking people who haven't completed all 80 heroics |
| 00:22.29 | bleeter | Legorol: sure solution lies in social force, but if one can far more easily solo to 80 now than soloing to 60 in Classic, the inital social force ain't there |
| 00:22.42 | Pneumatus | there also aren't enough quests in dungeons 70-80 to make it worth going there |
| 00:22.44 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, I don't think that would work though |
| 00:22.49 | ZorbaBeta | you don't need lv80 heroics to do naxx |
| 00:22.57 | Legorol | bleeter: all that's saying is that Blizzard thinks that the game has changed to "level to 80, then start grouping" |
| 00:23.04 | Legorol | times change, games change, move along, adapt |
| 00:23.10 | Legorol | it's neither bad, nor good, has its pros and cons |
| 00:23.11 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031099543&sid=1 |
| 00:23.32 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: you can use whatever measure you see fit. I see two trends that I dislike a lot: |
| 00:23.37 | Kraps | nsfw |
| 00:23.43 | kd3 | also a keylogger |
| 00:23.47 | Legorol | 1) requiring an achi showing that the place is completed to get into a group for said place |
| 00:23.57 | Legorol | 2) not requiring achis for places "lower" on the progression curve |
| 00:24.00 | Torhal | ZorbaBeta: Indeed. I walked into Naxx with Badge gear. Wasn't that big a deal. |
| 00:24.01 | bleeter | Legorol: 'times change, games change, move along, adapt'.. well if the customer base agreed with Blizz on this, they wouldn't need faction change to retain their base |
| 00:24.23 | Legorol | bleeter: just like the game changes and moves along, so do customers |
| 00:24.32 | Legorol | WoW is getting old by computer game standards |
| 00:24.38 | Kraps | kd3: i know they used to be keyloggers but not anymore... |
| 00:24.47 | Legorol | I love it still and probably will for the foreseeable future, but there's nothing wrong with it losing customers |
| 00:24.50 | bleeter | Legorol: so why bother with stuff trying to retain customers/regain those who have left? |
| 00:24.59 | Legorol | bleeter: money? |
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| 00:25.30 | Legorol | WoW was/is a phenomenal success. |
| 00:25.33 | bleeter | Legorol: precisely, it's not about whether it's a good game anymore, it's all about $$ because they made a shedload more than what they originally expected |
| 00:25.39 | Legorol | It can't be perfect for everything/everyone |
| 00:25.43 | Kraps | also why are all these 80s trying to get banned? |
| 00:26.07 | Legorol | bleeter: if it was a crap game, it wouldn't have 10+ million subscribers sitll |
| 00:26.28 | kd3 | so why is a jpg trying to pretend it's a porntube knockoff? |
| 00:26.37 | Legorol | i'm not disagreeing with you that things are different, i just don't necessarily think they are worse |
| 00:26.40 | bleeter | Legorol: I dare you to watch the movie that won the MTV award for 'best film'. just because etc. etc. etc. |
| 00:26.45 | kd3 | and faking the you need flash message? |
| 00:26.46 | Torhal | kd3: Because it has attained sentience? |
| 00:26.48 | NeoTron | Legorol: that isn't necessarily a sign that WoW is the greatest and such... but perhaps more due to a complete lack of suitable options |
| 00:26.52 | Legorol | besides, i don't believe that pre-60 instancing gave you any useful skills for raiding purposes |
| 00:26.57 | bleeter | Legorol: popular != !crap |
| 00:27.01 | Kraps | kd3: yeah i just noticed that |
| 00:27.05 | Legorol | everything pre-60 is tank'n'spank, you don't learn more from it than from group quests |
| 00:27.19 | kd3 | thus... keylogger. they change the text every now and then but it's the same mo they've had for years |
| 00:27.27 | bleeter | Legorol: what group quests exist pre-60 these days?? |
| 00:27.40 | Legorol | i'm not talking about pre-60 group quests |
| 00:27.41 | bleeter | Legorol: dare you to name 1 that's essential |
| 00:27.44 | NeoTron | the end of the long quest chain in blasted lands maybe? |
| 00:27.52 | Legorol | you said that the reason why people should do instances before 80 is so that they learn to play |
| 00:28.08 | bleeter | any MAXLEVEL group quest then, that's a pre-req to get into a raid? |
| 00:28.10 | Legorol | i'm saying that that's pointless, people won't learn to play by doing pre-70 instances any more than they would from doing any group quest (at any level) |
| 00:28.20 | Legorol | no, the opposite |
| 00:28.26 | Legorol | maxlevel group quests are not instructive |
| 00:28.32 | Legorol | nor are any pre-80 instances imo |
| 00:29.18 | bleeter | Legorol: say I'm a mage.. never seen how a tank or a healer works. you'd rather I learn how that all happens at MAXLEVEL for the first time, in a heroic or raid, than out in the wild? |
| 00:29.35 | Legorol | bleeter: i think you misunderstood me |
| 00:29.43 | bleeter | Legorol: i think I maybe did too :) |
| 00:29.53 | Legorol | i'm not saying that you should only learn it at maxlevel, you ideally should learn it earlier |
| 00:30.07 | Legorol | what i was trying to say is that imo, even back in vanilla, you did NOT learn those things in pre-endgame content |
| 00:30.14 | ZorbaBeta | I wish they had instance training quests |
| 00:30.22 | bleeter | Legorol: sunken temple class quest |
| 00:30.38 | Legorol | certainly when i was doing BFD/ZF/SM/BRD, noone was talking about aggro or threat or depeeess meter etc. |
| 00:30.46 | ZorbaBeta | "You are a tank? Alright! This monster will explode in 60 seconds and kill you all. Here's a healer to keep you alive, and three guys to DPS it. Keep it steady and keep your threat high and avoid the fire, GO" |
| 00:30.59 | Codayus | The closest thing ever was the hunter class quest, which actually sorta required SOME relevent skill with your class to pass, unless you cheesed it through the various methods floating around. |
| 00:31.07 | bleeter | Legorol: ok, but you got to learn about that stuff in a group situation without it being explicitly mentioned |
| 00:31.24 | Codayus | And you got the class quest via raiding, so... |
| 00:31.27 | Legorol | bleeter: as ZorbaBeta pointed it out, there's absolutely no mechanic in game right now to teach you group mechanics |
| 00:31.35 | Legorol | and there never was |
| 00:31.44 | Codayus | True. |
| 00:31.59 | bleeter | the trinket from the level 50 class quest in sunken temple |
| 00:32.11 | Legorol | what about it |
| 00:32.14 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it really would not be too hard to make a few learn-what-5-man-groups-are-like quests. you'd need a little AI but not all that much |
| 00:32.19 | Legorol | ST is a tank'n'spank instance |
| 00:32.27 | ZorbaBeta | yes, I am implying that 5-man groups could be implemented with a reasonably simple AI ;) |
| 00:32.50 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: heck add a twist to it, let you do it in any of the three roles with 4 NPCs helping |
| 00:33.05 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, yeah, for any class that can fill those roles I totally agree |
| 00:33.12 | bleeter | Legorol: and? tank and spank's easy, sure? what's wrong with easy being people's introduction to instancing etc. what I'm saying is that the combination of class quest, and nice trinket, encouraged people to (a) go for the quest (b) guild to help out 'lowbies' |
| 00:33.30 | Legorol | b) certainly doesn't teach squat |
| 00:33.33 | Legorol | boosting is not educational |
| 00:33.36 | ZorbaBeta | make sure it's repeatable and add some kind of a simple hardmode switch to it. or a few reward thresholds |
| 00:33.37 | Legorol | it's social, but not instructive |
| 00:34.26 | bleeter | Legorol: that's the call of the group leaders, though. i'm sorry you had a bunch of crap leaders at 50 |
| 00:34.29 | Kraps | Devastate: Weapon damage increased to 60% and bonus per Sunder Armor on the target increased by 20%. WAIT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN |
| 00:34.39 | Legorol | bleeter: what do you mean? |
| 00:34.49 | Legorol | bleeter: i did eveyr pre-60 instance with a level appropriate group |
| 00:34.53 | Legorol | we fought through them the hard way |
| 00:35.03 | Legorol | did Uldaman in 4 parts (as it's designed to be done) |
| 00:35.08 | Lunessa | You know what I learned from running instances? How to tell when someone else was doing it wrong, not wether or not I was doing it right. |
| 00:35.17 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, devastate does 50% weapon damage plus 101 per stack of sunder. I assume now it does 60% plus 121 per stack of sunder. |
| 00:35.21 | bleeter | Legorol: ok, in my big sentence starting 'and?', s/lowbies/newbies/ |
| 00:35.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: woah, thats crazy talk, math is hard. :( |
| 00:35.56 | Kraps | damage doesnt increase per sunder |
| 00:36.00 | ZorbaBeta | man fuck math |
| 00:36.02 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, yes it does |
| 00:36.05 | Legorol | bleeter: so are we back to acknowledging that education comes from your social group (usually guild, maybe friends)? |
| 00:36.10 | Legorol | bleeter: and not from random grouping? |
| 00:37.07 | Legorol | bleeter: i think we both agree that there is a need for some introduction to group mechanics. |
| 00:37.16 | Kraps | so ive been doing 200% damage all this time? |
| 00:37.19 | bleeter | Legorol: maybe, and I'm trying to say that the lvl 50 class quest in ST encouraged (maybe even forced) the social because the reward was sexy. and it was advertised as a class quest, so hard to miss. |
| 00:37.23 | Legorol | bleeter: furthermore, we both agree that newbies don't get that in pre-70 content, maybe not in pre-80 atm |
| 00:37.37 | Legorol | bleeter: what we disagree on it seems is whether it's a problem if newbies only get that in L80 content |
| 00:37.50 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, what do you mean, 200% damage? |
| 00:38.01 | bleeter | Legorol: currently, there's nothing quite like that and the issues that surround it, to my mind, is an indication of some of the problems at L80 |
| 00:38.06 | Kraps | i gtg be back in an hour |
| 00:38.36 | Legorol | bleeter: what about the plethora of instance quests with juicy rewards, which require you to .. well.. do an instance? |
| 00:38.43 | Legorol | generally better quality rewards than from solo quests |
| 00:38.51 | Legorol | they are available throughout the 70-80 range |
| 00:39.11 | bleeter | Legorol: why bother? I can get to 80 and go do a heroic in some pvp gear |
| 00:39.26 | Legorol | they are often interesting storywise, and you can find examples of both quests that are a culmination of a story (so you are curious how it ends) and as quests you can pick up right at the entrance |
| 00:39.35 | Legorol | bleeter: you can, but you are an experienced player |
| 00:39.35 | Dagmar | One problem there being that many classes can just solo those group quests unless they say they require five people. |
| 00:39.39 | Dagmar | THEN it just gets challenging |
| 00:39.50 | Legorol | for a newbie ont heir first char, it's a big incentive to go into an instance |
| 00:39.56 | Legorol | it's the best loot they have available at that level |
| 00:40.07 | alestane | I think the "Suggested players [5]" tag really means "5 noobs in greens" |
| 00:40.18 | Dagmar | I have to agree with you |
| 00:40.23 | Legorol | replace "noobs" with lowest common denominator |
| 00:40.37 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: it does, because it must. |
| 00:40.37 | Legorol | there are far more non-computer-game-raised players than people give credit |
| 00:40.43 | Legorol | for many people WoW is their first computer game |
| 00:40.47 | NightHawkTheSane | otherwise, the 5 noobs in greens wouldn't be able to do the quest :P |
| 00:41.13 | bleeter | Legorol: balls... solitaire!!! |
| 00:41.16 | bleeter | :P |
| 00:41.27 | Dagmar | Yeah, "expensive" or not probably thr eason I don't have a problem with even facerolling my way through them on the DK is that I'm very, very rigorous about raiding the AH for upgrades |
| 00:41.30 | Legorol | bleeter: the point i was trying to make is the incentive for new players is there imo |
| 00:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: curious - how far in the SC campaign did you get? |
| 00:41.43 | Dagmar | I should hit 80 and def cap at about hte same time |
| 00:41.59 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I've finished Terran, on mission 9 for Zerg, around mission 4 or 5 for Protoss. Haven't started Brood War yet. |
| 00:42.07 | bleeter | Legorol: the point I'm trying to make is the players I've introduced to wow, who don't play computer games before, don't see it. They just want to get to 80 and hang with the cool folks |
| 00:42.35 | Legorol | bleeter: what would have happened in vanilla to them? |
| 00:42.48 | Legorol | what incentive did they have to not get to 60 asap, and go to SM/ZF etc.? |
| 00:43.09 | Legorol | the loot was worse in vanilla (relative to level) than it is now in instances |
| 00:43.52 | Dagmar | You can outgrow the gear from <60 instances _really_ fast |
| 00:43.52 | Legorol | what i am saying is, surrounded by a bunch of experienced friends at 60, what was so special for the newb in vanilla that'd make him want to go instancing (apart from teh ST class quest you mentioned, as a special case) |
| 00:44.01 | Codayus | And, honestly, apart from manybe deadmines, the pre-60 instances were fairly bad. It's easy to be nostalgic about BRD, but it was TERRIBLE when you were appropriately leveled. |
| 00:44.15 | Legorol | Dagmar: we are comparing instancing in vanilla vs. now, not the gear in <60 to >60 |
| 00:44.28 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm specifically talking about the gear rewards in <60 instances |
| 00:44.37 | bleeter | Legorol: the slower XP gain in classwic meant that instancing was a bit more of a tacit requirement. you'd bleed a level appropriate zone dry and still need XP, so you'd instance |
| 00:44.49 | Dagmar | I definitely noticed a difference in the point spreads in the Outlands instances |
| 00:44.56 | bleeter | Legorol: these days, you can get from 50 to 60 and barely touch the 55-60 zones |
| 00:45.12 | Legorol | bleeter: depends on the player. Most players I have met never completed all level appropriate quests before moving on to new zones |
| 00:45.15 | Codayus | And there were fewer factions you could grind on your way up...if anything, there was less incentive to not just power level to 60 and hang with your friends than there is now... |
| 00:45.42 | Legorol | i have done my share of instancing on the way up to 60 |
| 00:45.49 | Legorol | i did the real learning about group mechanics in UBRS |
| 00:46.14 | Legorol | up to 60, doing instances was nothing more than the same as if a bunch of people grouped up for some random quests outdoors |
| 00:46.38 | NeoTron | so come 3.2 me and my friends are going to lock xp gain at 60 and raid classic! We just need like 35 other ppl to do it! |
| 00:46.41 | bleeter | Legorol: but you did learn some stuff about the other class types n things |
| 00:47.08 | Legorol | bleeter: you mean that there are 7 other classes besides mine? |
| 00:47.14 | Codayus | My first 60 didn't instance at *ALL* apart from a single deadmines run. |
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| 00:47.19 | Legorol | something i could see when i was creating my character? :P |
| 00:47.51 | bleeter | Legorol: you could see the difference between a pally healer and a priest healer on toon selection screen? |
| 00:47.53 | NeoTron | always did deadmines to get that AWESOME staff (quest one and/or the other one) |
| 00:48.10 | Legorol | bleeter: not at all. Nor could I see it in an instance. |
| 00:48.18 | Legorol | SOmeone who can do healing spells -> he is a healer. |
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| 00:48.19 | Legorol | end of |
| 00:48.25 | End | your mom of |
| 00:48.31 | Legorol | talents didn't matter pre-60 |
| 00:48.51 | Legorol | heck, i didn't learn about the fact that certain trees are more desired for instances/raiding until i was 60 |
| 00:49.14 | bleeter | Legorol: I think you're being rather down on what you picked up subconciously |
| 00:49.15 | Legorol | i thought talents make little difference other than how you feel like "specialising" your char, based on personal prefence, but your base class abilities are sufficient |
| 00:49.27 | Legorol | i was positively surprised when i was told that all warriors who raid must be protection specced |
| 00:49.50 | Legorol | bleeter: not really, no. I still very clearly remember my first UBRS run with a half-guild group. |
| 00:49.52 | NeoTron | which was, to a degre, more a result of lack of other thanks I think |
| 00:50.02 | Legorol | That's when I first saw (from an experienced warrior) what real tanking is like |
| 00:50.05 | NeoTron | I recall having at least one or two dps warriors |
| 00:50.27 | Codayus | Heh, for quite a while early in vanilla, warriors didn't even need to be prot spec. It wasn't uncommon for the MT to spam MS. Oo |
| 00:50.32 | kd3 | ! |
| 00:50.35 | Legorol | NeoTron: back in vanilla each class had a "raiding" tree |
| 00:50.38 | NeoTron | tanking was the bomb when it involved solely spamming taunt as fast as you could |
| 00:50.39 | Legorol | that was the design philosophy |
| 00:50.40 | kd3 | we're buying tier loot solely with emblems of triumph |
| 00:50.41 | kd3 | wtf |
| 00:50.44 | Codayus | Prot spec was just...that...BAD. :-/ |
| 00:50.47 | NeoTron | Legorol: not really |
| 00:50.55 | NeoTron | Legorol: as I said, I raided with dps warriors. |
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| 00:51.12 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: depending on what raid you were doing, you might not have needed all your warriors as tanks. |
| 00:51.49 | Codayus | NeoTron: Eh, DPS warriors were...around, but rare, and it was pretty clear Bliz didn't intend them as a raiding spec. |
| 00:51.49 | NeoTron | Legorol: I also did some of AQ40 and Naxx as shadow pries |
| 00:51.49 | Legorol | bleeter: long story short, all i learnt <60 is that doing stuff with friends in a group is more fun. |
| 00:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: should finish the zerg. The protoss campaign only makes some sense without it |
| 00:51.49 | Legorol | My first ever instance group (BFD) had pets tanking |
| 00:51.49 | Codayus | The gear didn't support them, the talents didn't support them, and as soon as broken scaling mechanics made them good, they got nerfed. :-/ |
| 00:51.54 | Legorol | it wasn't any different than grouping up for quests outside |
| 00:52.02 | NeoTron | On my shaman I ran wailing caverns |
| 00:52.04 | NeoTron | I was the tank |
| 00:52.05 | NeoTron | and the healer |
| 00:52.08 | NeoTron | at the same time. |
| 00:52.22 | NeoTron | in a 4 man group |
| 00:52.24 | Legorol | wailing caverns is low enough that talents don't matter |
| 00:52.26 | NeoTron | but I was a bit highish level |
| 00:52.34 | Legorol | heck, talents don't matter until 60 (in vanilla at least) |
| 00:52.42 | NeoTron | I think you missed the fact where I said I was a shaman, and I healed myself tanking |
| 00:52.47 | NeoTron | it wasn't trivial nor exactly intended |
| 00:53.04 | Legorol | NeoTron: enhancement tree has the beginning of tanking spec |
| 00:53.13 | NeoTron | but not healing |
| 00:53.13 | Legorol | up to about 30-ish, you make a good tank ;) |
| 00:53.19 | Legorol | my shammie is tank specced |
| 00:53.52 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Yeah, I did the same thing a lot at lower levels. |
| 00:54.11 | Legorol | i think there's another factor to consider heere as well, which has nothing to do with where you learn to group, and that's personality |
| 00:54.18 | Legorol | is the person actually capable of team play? |
| 00:54.36 | Legorol | i think the thing that's missing from the game most is something that teaches you about tanking |
| 00:54.43 | Legorol | both dps and healing is fairly self-explanatory |
| 00:54.48 | Lunessa | And before anyone says "LOL Blueberry Shaman" - I played no less that 7 shaman on the horde side before giving up 'cause all my friends were alliance side. |
| 00:54.48 | Legorol | dps: kill stuff with your spells |
| 00:54.56 | Legorol | healing: you have spells that heal other people, use them |
| 00:54.59 | bleeter | Legorol: maybe we can chat again some other time, I gotta dash soz :( |
| 00:55.00 | airtonix | i r hero |
| 00:55.14 | Legorol | tanking: what's this "threat" thing? how do i force mobs to hit me instead of the other guys? what sort of gear do i need? |
| 00:55.23 | Legorol | bleeter: ofc |
| 00:56.09 | bleeter | RIP Tina http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/30/2612095.htm :( |
| 00:56.09 | Legorol | i do beleive that "threat" is the most complicated concept you are going to find in groups up to and including Naxx |
| 00:56.09 | bleeter | Legorol: thx |
| 00:56.09 | Lunessa | Yeah, if you're a new player, figuring out any MMO is a pain in the ass. |
| 00:56.09 | bleeter | & mt |
| 00:56.20 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: RIP... who? |
| 00:56.22 | Legorol | Lunessa: some people's pain is other's pleasure |
| 00:56.31 | Legorol | i loved exploring WoW |
| 00:56.38 | Legorol | then again, it was my first real MMO |
| 00:56.41 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: friend of a friend at the local uni, coppers are alleging 3 people murdered her :( |
| 00:56.44 | bleeter | hence.. ciao! |
| 00:56.47 | bleeter | and thanks again Legorol |
| 00:56.54 | bleeter | yer always good for a chinwag :) |
| 00:56.55 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: urgh |
| 00:57.33 | Lunessa | Legorol: I'm testing another game, and the controls baffled me for about 10-15 minutes even with the tutorial and 10+ years of playing similar games. |
| 00:59.26 | NeoTron | One thing about WoW though - the world scale is so incredibly off |
| 00:59.31 | NeoTron | everything is, relatively speaking, tiny |
| 00:59.51 | Lunessa | NeoTron: That's true in every MMORPG I've ever played |
| 00:59.52 | NeoTron | SWG for example felt (and was) larger.. but also emptier |
| 00:59.55 | airtonix | 5yds to the next country |
| 00:59.56 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 01:00.03 | kd3 | all of the qq because blizz wiped t9 from everyone |
| 01:00.18 | NeoTron | OMGWTFBBQ I SPENT GOLDZ ON GEMS! |
| 01:00.23 | Lunessa | Ahhh.. did I miss another free lewtz thing? |
| 01:00.24 | airtonix | on ptr? |
| 01:00.24 | NeoTron | rather I spent badges!!1!11! |
| 01:00.29 | NeoTron | PTR |
| 01:00.55 | Lunessa | Haha - it's PTR - it all gets wiped at the end. |
| 01:00.55 | airtonix | lies |
| 01:01.09 | airtonix | i refuse to believe it, i have shinies |
| 01:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: maybe, but the children need to have their moment of epeen specialness. and now blizzard took that away, so they're poopieheads. |
| 01:01.28 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.37 | Arrowmaster | omfg lol, so i was just playing chronicles of riddick assult on dark athena and beat the game and i switched monitor inputs from my 360 back to my computer and left the credits playing and it goes from this german heavy metal music to this really old school electronica and it was so out of place all i could do was laugh |
| 01:01.39 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Everyone is a poopiehead. |
| 01:01.46 | NightHawkTheSane | well, es |
| 01:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | yes* |
| 01:06.58 | Gnarfoz | +["SHAMAN"] = { r = 0.0, g = 0.44, b = 0.87 }, <-- did they change the shaman class color right there? |
| 01:07.28 | Gnarfoz | (from FontStyles.xml) |
| 01:08.36 | Gnarfoz | haha, finally: +DUNGEON_DIFFICULTY3 = "Epic (Unused)"; |
| 01:08.48 | Gnarfoz | I bet you can still set that and cause disconnects |
| 01:11.08 | Legorol | i'm not happy with the confusion that's being created.. |
| 01:11.15 | Legorol | there's now dungeon difficulty, and raid difficulty |
| 01:11.20 | Legorol | both available from the portrait |
| 01:11.24 | Legorol | talk about confusing for new players |
| 01:12.02 | Duman | people qq about whatever they can |
| 01:12.32 | Gnarfoz | I don't see how that's confusing, but I'm by no means a new player |
| 01:12.48 | Gnarfoz | (because "raid groups" are clearly defined in the default UI already) |
| 01:13.28 | kd3 | whee! ptr crashes |
| 01:13.29 | ZorbaBeta | is raid difficulty the 10/25 thing? |
| 01:13.30 | Dagmar | Maybe raid difficulty should be hidden unless the group has >5 people in it |
| 01:13.35 | ZorbaBeta | ("raid size" :P) |
| 01:14.05 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: it is both |
| 01:14.11 | Gnarfoz | 1-4, 10, 25, 10 hard, 25 hard |
| 01:14.32 | Legorol | dungeon difficulty: normal vs. heroic, applies to all current content (that includes 5-mans as well as 10/25-mans) |
| 01:14.38 | Gnarfoz | (or hard = heroic, in the new terminology) |
| 01:14.52 | airtonix | lol @ heroic = hard |
| 01:14.52 | Legorol | raid difficulty: applies to raid content going forward from 3.2. currently has four entries: 10, 25, 10 heroic, 25 heroic |
| 01:15.02 | Gnarfoz | airtonix: that's what it means from 3.2 on. |
| 01:15.11 | Legorol | it's going to cause a lot of naming ocnfusing and incorrect terminology |
| 01:15.20 | Legorol | until now, heroic referred to size, now it will refer to difficulty |
| 01:15.21 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: I don't see how that is any different from what's there in 3.2 |
| 01:15.28 | Legorol | people will never get used to the change :( |
| 01:15.31 | Gnarfoz | no, heroic didn't refer to size for dungeons |
| 01:15.32 | airtonix | Gnarfoz, and so the individual boss hard modes are called what now? |
| 01:15.33 | Gnarfoz | only for raids |
| 01:15.34 | ZorbaBeta | ah complicated |
| 01:15.40 | Gnarfoz | airtonix: ? |
| 01:15.49 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: i *was* talking about 3.2 |
| 01:15.49 | Gnarfoz | what "individual" hard modes. |
| 01:15.52 | Dagmar | They'll figure it out pretty quick if they're only geared for normal mode and get roflstomped back out of the instance |
| 01:15.58 | Dagmar | Count on that |
| 01:16.05 | airtonix | Gnarfoz, ie, kill xts heart in one go to activate hard mode |
| 01:16.06 | Dagmar | Wait... Nevermind. |
| 01:16.22 | Gnarfoz | airtonix: xt ~= 3.2 |
| 01:16.27 | Dagmar | I keep forgetting that I've been in Naxx with 9 other people who didn't notice the skull on the door until we got to the first boss with his mysterious two adds |
| 01:16.29 | Legorol | airtonix: the idea, going forward, is to not have instance design like that, it seems |
| 01:16.37 | Gnarfoz | this does not apply to Ulduar at all |
| 01:16.37 | airtonix | lame |
| 01:16.42 | Gnarfoz | no, not lame at all. |
| 01:17.02 | Gnarfoz | no need to waste half the instance because you decide to try a hard mode boss that sits in the middle of the instance |
| 01:17.05 | airtonix | your opinion |
| 01:17.13 | Legorol | i fear this change in terminology will be as consistently applied as the enrage -> berserk -> frenzy naming change was/is |
| 01:17.17 | ZorbaBeta | I kind of liked the old hardmode stuff, single-target hard mode bosses were neat |
| 01:17.25 | Legorol | i still can't convince people around me to stop calling berserk timers "enrage" |
| 01:17.25 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. "should we try freya+3? we can't kill Yogg this ID, then, though") |
| 01:17.44 | Legorol | my difficulty is exacerbated by the fact that DBM uses "enrage" as the label on berserk timers :/ |
| 01:17.55 | Gnarfoz | obviously, your problem is DBM |
| 01:18.00 | Gnarfoz | q.e.d. |
| 01:18.02 | ZorbaBeta | why would freya+3 keep you from killing yogg? |
| 01:18.11 | Dagmar | Low DPS while dead. |
| 01:18.18 | Dagmar | It's hard to outgear that. |
| 01:18.18 | Gnarfoz | because "trying" doesn't mean "killing" necessarily. |
| 01:18.42 | Legorol | i'm with ZorbaBeta on this |
| 01:19.06 | Legorol | i'm not sure this separation of difficulty levels to separate lockouts, as opposed to having individual hard modes, is better |
| 01:19.12 | ZorbaBeta | so, I mean, once you decide freya+3 ain't gonna happen, you do freya+2 and move on |
| 01:19.30 | Legorol | if you have the time to clear a few hardmodes + reclear the same bosses and more in a different ID on easy mode, you'd have the time anyway |
| 01:19.34 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: do you realize by how much that reduces the time you can spend on freya+3? |
| 01:19.50 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: the separation of instance IDs actually *increases* the time required |
| 01:20.02 | Legorol | using Ulu as an example, you'd have to clear up to Freya twice |
| 01:20.07 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, not hugely, no |
| 01:20.11 | Legorol | once on easy mode so you can go past her and get to yogg, and once on hard mode |
| 01:20.13 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: um yes, hugely |
| 01:20.31 | Legorol | i'm with ZorbaBeta on this |
| 01:20.34 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: don't apply it to Ulduar though, since this isn't going to affect Ulduar ;o |
| 01:20.37 | Legorol | you spend exactly as much on freya+3 as you have time for |
| 01:20.41 | ZorbaBeta | it only reduces the time if you think you won't be able to do yogg either |
| 01:20.50 | ZorbaBeta | and you also want a day of wiping on yogg or something |
| 01:20.52 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: i'm talking about how it affects the time available for raiding guilds |
| 01:21.03 | ZorbaBeta | otherwise you should have a good idea of how much time you're going to spend getting to and killing yogg |
| 01:21.07 | Legorol | this separation of difficulties to separate IDs *only* helps those guilds that have flexible, unlimited raiding hours |
| 01:21.07 | Gnarfoz | what perspective do you think I'm talking about? |
| 01:21.21 | Legorol | those who can afford to both clear the instance on easy mode, as well as attempt a few bosses on hard mode |
| 01:21.26 | ZorbaBeta | hell, my guild does that all the time, they're fighting yogg right now with Iron Council still up because we're gonna go back after a while and finish 'em off :P |
| 01:21.32 | Legorol | a guild with fixed amount of raiding time will lose from this imo, not gain |
| 01:21.41 | Gnarfoz | we could probably easily clear Ulduar on normal in one night (leaving out trash bosses), and have 2 nights for hard modes |
| 01:21.53 | Gnarfoz | we will definitely gain, I'm positive ;) |
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| 01:22.11 | Wobin | hm |
| 01:22.13 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: well, but they can't go back to do freya+3. ;) |
| 01:22.17 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: i don't see your point, you are just reordering things |
| 01:22.22 | Wobin | good that I can transfer all my ally toons if I want now |
| 01:22.33 | Legorol | with proper planning and time management, there were no issues until now either |
| 01:22.35 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: I'm afraid I'm not ordering anything, Blizzard ordered the bosses the way they are |
| 01:22.36 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, if they're reasonably confident with yogg, they'll only waste an hour or so that they could have spent on freya :) |
| 01:22.36 | Dagmar | Well, you'll be able to _soon_ |
| 01:22.48 | Legorol | if yo uhave a fixed amount of raiding time, you don't get to spend any more or less time on any particular difficulty |
| 01:23.22 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: yes they ordered them, but consider this: |
| 01:23.29 | Gnarfoz | well, I know my guild well enough to know how it's gonna affect us, even if you disagree ;p |
| 01:23.40 | Legorol | let's say you have 10 hours of raiding available, and you know clearing everything up to and including yogg, but not including freya, takes 6 hours |
| 01:23.55 | Gnarfoz | you can't "not include" freya...? |
| 01:24.01 | Legorol | what difference does it make if you first spend 2 hours, then 4 hours on freya, then 4 hours to finish, |
| 01:24.09 | Legorol | or first spend 6 hours clear, then 4 hours on freya? |
| 01:24.17 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: it's an example |
| 01:24.18 | Gnarfoz | concentration, attendance, different setups on different raiding nights |
| 01:24.34 | Gnarfoz | it's a bad one if it ignores how the instance is set up, which was my entire point |
| 01:24.44 | Legorol | ok, that's a valid point about the attendance |
| 01:24.55 | Legorol | on a night you get crap signups, you go easy mode, with a good group you go hard mode |
| 01:25.07 | Legorol | that's a reasonable argument, even if your time is fixed |
| 01:25.25 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: but, now you'll get the opposite problem |
| 01:25.31 | Gnarfoz | I'd hope it would improve/weed out some signups actually, but moving easy/hard where appropriate is also a potential solution, yeah |
| 01:25.41 | Legorol | if you want to try boss X on hard mode that's deep inside the instance, you are forced to clear all previous bosses on hardmode too |
| 01:26.07 | Gnarfoz | my point is: we don't waste the normal mode loot, regardless |
| 01:26.15 | Legorol | loot? who's talking about loot? |
| 01:26.23 | Gnarfoz | I am, secretly. |
| 01:26.26 | Legorol | we are purely talking time management |
| 01:26.29 | Gnarfoz | we don't have enough surplus skill to just kill everything in last tier's gear. ;) |
| 01:26.30 | Legorol | how does loot figure into this? |
| 01:26.54 | Gnarfoz | time spent clearing normal mode instance to raise average equip level = time spent usefully |
| 01:27.10 | Legorol | and? |
| 01:27.16 | Legorol | that's still X hours of your raiding week |
| 01:27.22 | Gnarfoz | time spent wiping to a hard mode that blocks our way to kill the normal mode bosses behind that boss = time spent less usefully |
| 01:27.30 | Gnarfoz | not gaining gear vs. gaining gear. |
| 01:27.38 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: ok you lost me there |
| 01:27.50 | Legorol | the choice of going hardmode vs. easy mode is still the same as in Ulu |
| 01:28.02 | Legorol | "do we go easy mode tonight with this group, or go hard mode?" |
| 01:28.04 | Gnarfoz | don't know if I can put it any other way :) |
| 01:28.19 | Gnarfoz | that's not how we decide that, really ;o |
| 01:28.22 | Legorol | i apologise, i'll reread what you wrote, because i'm not seeing the issue |
| 01:28.48 | Legorol | ok, lootwise, the same example that i gave earlier is still true: |
| 01:28.48 | Gnarfoz | maybe I'm just talking crap, hehe |
| 01:29.12 | Legorol | you spend X hours on bosses in easy mode, you get loot, then you spend Y hours on attempting a hardmode boss, then Z more hours on further easy mode |
| 01:29.16 | Gnarfoz | (there's reason we share guild lead among several people, so 1 person can't fuck it all up for everyone if they make shitty decisions :D) |
| 01:29.22 | Legorol | whether those hours are spent in the same or different instances, doesn't matter |
| 01:29.59 | Legorol | from the point of view of lootdrops per hour, your productivity is identical whether those hours are spent in separate or identical IDs |
| 01:30.31 | Legorol | what the new system admittedly allows you is to be more flexible on the ordering of X, Y and Z within the week |
| 01:30.39 | Legorol | you can make it dependent on the signups for the day for example |
| 01:30.48 | Gnarfoz | from experience, the progress we make when there's a "ok we have 2 hours to spare for tries on this boss" deadline (which coincides with trash respawn, incidentally), vs. "ok, tonight [meaning the entire raid duration] we'll do this boss's hard mode" is meager :o |
| 01:30.54 | Legorol | but the new system doesn't give you more hours in the day than 24, so it doesn't give you more loot |
| 01:31.03 | Codayus | There's an issue in Ulduar where you can't - for example, opt to clear a bunch of quick bosses you have on farm, and then settle down to spend the rest of the raid working on FL hard mode. |
| 01:31.16 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: yeeeees, my point exactly! |
| 01:31.40 | Legorol | Codayus: yes, that's the ordering thing. but that doesn't affect loot gained per week |
| 01:31.44 | Codayus | Of course, in the new system you can't opt to clear a bunch of quick bosses you have on farm, and then settle down to spend the rest of the raid working on Hodir hard mode. |
| 01:32.06 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: agreed, but I still like it better that way than how it is now ;> |
| 01:32.18 | Legorol | Codayus: what gnarfoz seems to be implying is that by having the choice to go for easy bosses before trying FL hard mode somehow gives more loot |
| 01:32.22 | Legorol | that's the part i got confused about |
| 01:32.56 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: ok, for the sake of argument, imagine that you could try bosses in Ulduar in any order. |
| 01:33.09 | Gnarfoz | we'd kill weapon dropping bosses first, then try something on hard mode, probably. :D |
| 01:33.10 | Legorol | If you have a fixed amount of raiding hours per week, can you try and explain to me how that gives you more loot than the current restrictions? |
| 01:33.24 | Codayus | Overall, I prefer the new way, because there's nothing "wrong" with requiring linear progression on hard modes... Of course, it's not clear the new system makes sense applied to Ulduar, or if it'll ever be applied to something with Ulduar style progression and hard modes... |
| 01:33.48 | Legorol | Codayus: i don't like the new way (yet), because it means you have to clear some bosses twice |
| 01:33.51 | Codayus | Legorol: It might get you more hard mode loot, by in some ways reducing the "penalty" for trying a hard mode versus farming normal mode. |
| 01:34.09 | Legorol | if you are interested in progressing boss X hard mode but he is deep inside, you are forced to clear the ones before it too, and worse, to clear the same bosses on easy mode too |
| 01:34.34 | Legorol | Ulduar example: if you were going for say XT hard mode and Yoggy easy mode in the same week, you'd have to do FL twice: once on hard, once on easy. |
| 01:34.39 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: I don't think this applies at all without the ordering restriction. maybe this got mixed up along the way while trying to explain my point. I'm not too sure anymore either. :D |
| 01:34.39 | Codayus | ...I guess. My guild veers towards the casual end, and is working on Mimiron 25. We've never done any hard mode other than FL+1. :-) |
| 01:35.08 | Legorol | FL+1 is not a hard mode, it's an achievement :P |
| 01:35.14 | Gnarfoz | semantics ^^ |
| 01:35.14 | Legorol | FL+4 is the hard mode |
| 01:35.15 | Codayus | *shrug* Harder mode. |
| 01:35.20 | Codayus | Semantics, as Gnarfoz said. |
| 01:35.26 | Legorol | you can call it harder mode, progressing towards a hard mode, whatever yo ulike |
| 01:35.28 | Gnarfoz | (while I agree, though ;)) |
| 01:35.32 | Legorol | well it's an important distinction |
| 01:35.38 | Legorol | hardmode drops higher ilevel loot |
| 01:35.42 | Codayus | I prefer to say that - as with Sarth - there are several hard modes. |
| 01:35.44 | Legorol | achievements or semi-hard modes don't |
| 01:35.49 | durcyn | no, no, it's "pug mode", "baddy mode", "normal mode", and "hard mode", in that order. |
| 01:35.52 | Gnarfoz | "hard modes" are usually the ones that drop additional loot (not just a badge more) |
| 01:36.10 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: sorry to disappoint you, but nothing in Wrath drops badges :P |
| 01:36.10 | Codayus | Well, Sarth+1 dropped better loot. |
| 01:36.23 | Legorol | has a personal crusade going on about calling emblems "badges" |
| 01:36.30 | Legorol | they are not badges, they never were, they never will be |
| 01:36.44 | Legorol | Codayus: incorrect, Sart+2 does |
| 01:36.51 | Legorol | Sart+1 is just more loot |
| 01:36.53 | durcyn | Legorol: Badge of Justice. |
| 01:36.59 | Legorol | durcyn: which is not in Wrath |
| 01:37.02 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: doesn't drop off anything in WotLK |
| 01:37.04 | Legorol | there are no badges in Wrath |
| 01:37.10 | Codayus | ...fine, fine. So does that make Sarth+2 a hard mode then? :-) |
| 01:37.18 | Legorol | Codayus: imo, yes |
| 01:37.26 | Gnarfoz | and no, I was referring to Ulduar, really |
| 01:37.40 | Legorol | anyway, back on topic: |
| 01:37.47 | Legorol | Gnarfoz, if you find the changes work out for your guild, great |
| 01:37.53 | Gnarfoz | noes, I want to do something productive, no moar discussing ;o |
| 01:38.01 | Legorol | generally my guild is very good at pre-planning what we do in the week, and allocating the time for our activities |
| 01:38.07 | Legorol | so the ordering doesn't matter for us |
| 01:38.12 | Codayus | Mmm, getting *better* drops is hard mode, but *more* drops or emblems is not...seems like a distinction without a difference, honestly. |
| 01:38.13 | Gnarfoz | actually, it's 3:40am here, it's not like I'm going to do anything productive ;D |
| 01:38.44 | Codayus | In any case, I agree that Ulduar style hard modes and mostly linear progression doesn't fit too well with the T9-style hard mode raid IDs. |
| 01:38.46 | Legorol | Codayus: it's a vital distinction. If you have had a boss on farm for ages, more loot of the stuff you don't want anymore is still useless |
| 01:38.56 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: I wish I didn't have to care, our people suck at signing up for raids ;\ |
| 01:39.16 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: so do ours. That doesn't affect the planning part though |
| 01:39.22 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 01:39.40 | Gnarfoz | our "pre-planning" consists of cancelling our 3rd out of 3 raid days every other week |
| 01:39.44 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 01:39.47 | Legorol | If we happen to have a crap group when doing the planned challenging content, we just suck it up and do worse on it :o) |
| 01:40.19 | Gnarfoz | our server has more raid guilds than it can reasonably sustain ;\ |
| 01:40.22 | Codayus | Legorol: Eh...arguable. For some things (weapons and trinkets mostly) it can take a long time for everyone who wants it to get it. |
| 01:40.29 | Gnarfoz | i.e. no good "raider material" left |
| 01:40.29 | Legorol | on a more practical note, another thing that concerns me about the new system is the additional pressure and divise force on guilds to decide which content to do |
| 01:40.39 | Codayus | I suspect most guilds have regular raiders even now who never got a KT drop they wanted. :-) |
| 01:40.41 | Legorol | it's bad enough already having to choose 25 vs. 10-man raiding if your guild has time only for one |
| 01:40.52 | Legorol | and get people who want to do both whining that we don't do enough 10-mans |
| 01:40.55 | Shirik | Does anyone know the name of that red glow you get after the sun has gone below the horizon? |
| 01:41.07 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: sunlight? |
| 01:41.08 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:41.09 | Shirik | .. |
| 01:41.15 | Legorol | Codayus: completing your BiS set is overrated |
| 01:41.20 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: I'll trade you for a day - you can try to help coordinate three guilds, and then wipe for two nights straight on Patchwerk because they other two guilds insist on carrying two healers who can't heal. |
| 01:41.45 | Legorol | Lunessa: raid alliances are the suck |
| 01:41.54 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: I'd so crack down on that and pick the best players from all 3 guilds and say 'screw you other scrubs' ;p |
| 01:41.55 | Legorol | i'd been there, done it as officer, i never want to do it again |
| 01:42.06 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: ...in theory at least |
| 01:42.06 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: that has huge drawbacks |
| 01:42.10 | Lunessa | Legrol, yeah, but so is having only 5 raid-ready, reliable raiders and no raids. |
| 01:42.13 | Legorol | you want have enough trained up backup material |
| 01:42.17 | Gnarfoz | I know, which is why it's a pipe-dream |
| 01:42.27 | Legorol | when your regular MT healer or MT is not around, the replacement will suck |
| 01:42.32 | Legorol | you need to rotate the entire pool |
| 01:42.40 | Legorol | what you do need to do is be selective about who gets int he pool |
| 01:42.50 | AnduinLothar | >.< our GM jsut got The Lorematser |
| 01:42.51 | Gnarfoz | our pool is too small right now (again! *rages*) to actually do that |
| 01:42.57 | Legorol | and, try and have a consistent policy on that that spans the guilds in the alliance (good luck with that) |
| 01:43.24 | Gnarfoz | "pool" meaning the sub-group of "raiders" in our guild, we're not an alliance ^^ |
| 01:43.25 | Legorol | AnduinLothar: is that a good or bad thing? |
| 01:43.33 | AnduinLothar | addict |
| 01:43.46 | Legorol | most people that actually wanted it seem to have gotten it ages ago |
| 01:43.47 | Lunessa | They carry these two because they have a "All together or none at all" philosophy, and most of them are capable. But that means some weeks we don't do anything even though we have 1-shot most of this crap many times before. |
| 01:43.48 | Gnarfoz | not that hard to do if you've been playing the same character for 4 years |
| 01:43.58 | AnduinLothar | if you can't tell the difference, you're an addict too :P |
| 01:44.10 | Legorol | Lunessa: differences in philosophy -> smells like doomed alliance |
| 01:44.14 | Legorol | sorry, been there, seen it |
| 01:44.22 | Legorol | i do understand the wanting to raid part too |
| 01:44.32 | Legorol | it's a teeth gritting experience to have to put up with an alliance to be able to raid |
| 01:44.45 | Lunessa | Legorol: Yeah, I don't see this going much further - unless they're willing to make some changes. |
| 01:44.52 | Gnarfoz | hence my strong reluctance to allow "external raiders" into our guild raids |
| 01:45.19 | Legorol | Lunessa, tip: they also want to raid (hopefully). Sometimes being a bit pushy and threatening to cancel unless compromises are made can be good. |
| 01:45.47 | Legorol | again, been there, on both sides of the stick |
| 01:46.07 | ZorbaBeta | are there any good UI mods for analyzing combat logs ingame? |
| 01:46.08 | Lunessa | Legorol: I'm bringing 1 Healer, 1 Primary tank, and 2-3 DPS/week. They could replace us easily. We can't replace them that quickly. |
| 01:46.13 | Legorol | usually does the job, as the incentive to keep the alliance going is stronger than any particular ideology that people might hold |
| 01:46.21 | Legorol | and if it's not strong enough, then you are doomed anyway |
| 01:46.33 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: Not that I know of, but I use the charts from Recount extensively. |
| 01:46.48 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: recount is fairly decent, once you get to know it |
| 01:46.51 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, recount is awesome, but my guild right now is running into problems where a mob is being hit when it shouldn't be |
| 01:46.55 | AnduinLothar | lol. i onyl did 9/85 quests in Grizzly Hills |
| 01:46.56 | Legorol | it does pick up a fair amount of stuff |
| 01:46.58 | ZorbaBeta | and I'm not sure how to get recount to show events that happened to NPCs |
| 01:47.05 | ZorbaBeta | (if that is possible at all) |
| 01:47.19 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: not sure if it's possible. I do find that the in-game combatlog filters are extremeely powerful though |
| 01:47.26 | Legorol | i have tons of filters configured, they work wonders |
| 01:47.31 | Gnarfoz | you have to check the checkboxes in the main config dialog, ZorbaBeta |
| 01:47.36 | Legorol | if you put raid icons on the mobs pre-pull, the icons show up in the log too |
| 01:47.40 | Gnarfoz | i.e. make it not filter out non-boss creatures |
| 01:47.53 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: that still doesn't show timeline of events |
| 01:48.02 | Legorol | so you can't tell *when* a particular piece of damage happened |
| 01:48.08 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: not what he asked about, tho |
| 01:48.14 | ZorbaBeta | that is actually what I need |
| 01:48.19 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 01:48.22 | Gnarfoz | well, go WoL |
| 01:48.24 | ZorbaBeta | "show me all the events that happened to this monster in the last 30 seconds of its life", ideally |
| 01:48.27 | Legorol | "mob is being hit *when* it shouldn't be", emphasis mine |
| 01:48.49 | Gnarfoz | WoL can do that, but it's not ingame. why does it have to be ingame? |
| 01:48.58 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, because I want to be able to check it while running back from a wipe |
| 01:49.06 | Gnarfoz | well, live reports. :D |
| 01:49.14 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: my suggestion: in-game combat log filter set to show hostile actions on NPCs. Mark the NPC in question with raid symbol. After wipe, switch to said filter, scroll up to find mark. |
| 01:49.14 | ZorbaBeta | not have to reload the UI, upload a file, wait for the server to process it, read the website |
| 01:49.19 | Gnarfoz | you don't have to reload ui |
| 01:49.22 | Gnarfoz | and there is no processing time |
| 01:49.41 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: live reports? |
| 01:49.49 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: yes, that's what I said |
| 01:49.51 | Legorol | since wow can't communicate data out of the game in real time, there is no such thing |
| 01:49.51 | Gnarfoz | you only have to figure out the log filter once and save it |
| 01:49.57 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: bullshit in this case. |
| 01:50.03 | Gnarfoz | read up on what live reports for WoL are |
| 01:50.04 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: what the hell are live reports? |
| 01:50.14 | Gnarfoz | the combatlog is written out in 48kb chunks |
| 01:50.17 | Legorol | ok, googling |
| 01:50.25 | Gnarfoz | no, visit worldoflogs.com :p |
| 01:50.35 | Gnarfoz | which the WoL client polls and then uploads if it detects a new one |
| 01:50.49 | Legorol | hm, sounds like a hole |
| 01:50.56 | Legorol | i'd expect it to be fixed quickly |
| 01:50.57 | Gnarfoz | no, since you can't control the output |
| 01:51.11 | Legorol | (or slowly, or Soon(TM)) |
| 01:51.12 | Gnarfoz | it's been like that forever, I doubt it's going to change |
| 01:51.17 | Gnarfoz | (forever = 2.4 at least) |
| 01:51.24 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:51.26 | Legorol | good to know |
| 01:51.31 | Gnarfoz | and why would it, it doesn't allow arbitrary information ^^ |
| 01:51.43 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: at any rate, i do suggest you play around with the in-game filters, they might be able to do what you want, they are pretty powerful |
| 01:51.55 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, I'll have to check it out |
| 01:52.07 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: one trick you can use is this: set a filter that shows only deaths (including NPC) |
| 01:52.14 | Gnarfoz | maybe one of the several "what happened" mods also works on mobs |
| 01:52.29 | Gnarfoz | like Acheron, Expiration, GrimReaper, etc |
| 01:52.31 | Legorol | switch to that filter, find the mob in question, right-click and select "what heppened to this mob" |
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| 01:53.36 | ZorbaBeta | where do I find the ingame combat filter config? I can't find a way to make my own filters |
| 01:54.32 | Gnarfoz | should be accessible from the right-click menu of the combat log tab |
| 01:54.36 | Gnarfoz | (chat window tab, that is) |
| 01:55.35 | ZorbaBeta | aha, found it, thanks :) |
| 01:57.34 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: i just checked out recount. If you enable recording of data for trivial and non-trivial mobs, as well as record deaths, you can then review the last 10 seconds of a mob's life, just like for players. |
| 01:59.35 | ZorbaBeta | sweet |
| 01:59.55 | ZorbaBeta | I'll check that out, thanks :) |
| 02:00.07 | Gnarfoz | (wasn't that what I suggested? ^^) |
| 02:00.39 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: yes, but i just confirmed that it does indeed work |
| 02:00.57 | Gnarfoz | I was certain it worked, you said it didn't :p |
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| 02:01.01 | Gnarfoz | also, perl + unicode = pain |
| 02:01.06 | Legorol | hehe |
| 02:01.23 | Gnarfoz | Matrix110: quick, call the police ;o |
| 02:01.55 | Lunessa | I'll take the blue pill. |
| 02:02.31 | Legorol | damn, i forgot to do the JC daily in all this discussion :( |
| 02:02.34 | Legorol | that's one less token |
| 02:03.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm sitting on 40 of them, I don't care right now ;< |
| 02:03.33 | Gnarfoz | Blizz wanted to compensate us for nerfing JC, wonder what happened to that ;D |
| 02:04.35 | Kraps | back |
| 02:05.07 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: they haven't nerfed it yet |
| 02:05.11 | Legorol | they may still be working on the solution |
| 02:05.36 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: of course not, just noting there's nothing in the patch notes, yet :) |
| 02:06.01 | Legorol | idd |
| 02:10.53 | Kraps | mmo champ is down? |
| 02:11.14 | Shirik | I'll show you my mmo champion |
| 02:11.56 | Kraps | yeah... no |
| 02:12.27 | Shirik | TC-Away: When you get back. Is there any way to get DeviantArt to spell Favorites correctly? |
| 02:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | senses that Shirik be trollin' |
| 02:13.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:19.12 | Lunessa | Shirik: Dude, unless you have trophies and ribbons - it can't be a champion. |
| 02:19.25 | Gnarfoz | maybe he has...? |
| 02:19.48 | Lunessa | With his schedule? when would he have time for competitive ... mating. |
| 02:19.51 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: while you're at it, maybe get them to spell DeviantArt correctly, too? :) |
| 02:20.15 | aesir | For the longest time I thought it was Devian Tart. |
| 02:20.29 | Gnarfoz | rightfully so |
| 02:21.06 | aesir | Which made sense to me at the time, because the first pics I saw were mostly of tarts. Sometimes clothed. Sometimes not. |
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| 02:22.22 | Gnarfoz | hahaha |
| 02:22.22 | Gnarfoz | they banned Exodus |
| 02:22.38 | Gnarfoz | (and fixed the exploit they used) |
| 02:22.53 | Codayus | Orly? |
| 02:22.54 | Codayus | Heh |
| 02:23.36 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 02:25.09 | Codayus | The way I heard it, they found a way to evade bug the adds in the final stage. If so...it should have been obvious to them they'd get banned. :-/ |
| 02:25.45 | Gnarfoz | that's what happened, and well, that's what happened |
| 02:25.45 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:26.49 | Kraps | Yogg +0 World First Kill - Exodus Banned |
| 02:26.56 | Kraps | nvm |
| 02:27.00 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 02:27.08 | Kraps | :) |
| 02:27.23 | Gnarfoz | have to agree though, Codayus, I wonder what they expected to happen |
| 02:27.49 | Codayus | And it's not like kiting or something, where you could at least plausibly argue it was a legit game mechanic. |
| 02:27.51 | Kraps | and they made a writ-up on how they exploited wtf |
| 02:27.58 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: after the fact |
| 02:28.05 | Codayus | Reminds me of the guild that got mass banned for wall hacking through AQ40. :-/ |
| 02:28.18 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: exactly, I instantly thought of that |
| 02:28.40 | Gnarfoz | however, they even went to such lengths as modifying game files for 40 people |
| 02:28.51 | Kraps | so its still mathematically impoosible? |
| 02:28.53 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: it's fixed, they're banned, what would they benefit from keeping it secret ^^ |
| 02:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://drmcninja.com/page.php?pageNum=9&issue=15 |
| 02:29.10 | Kraps | s/impoosible/impossible |
| 02:29.23 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: using average numbers for crit rates etc? the same as before applies: improbable to be killed like it is |
| 02:29.55 | Gnarfoz | (I'll refrain from using "impossible" only to have one of the other top50 guilds kill it tomorrow without exploiting :P) |
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| 02:30.28 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: you're banned |
| 02:31.00 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: i read that the brains at EJ said its impossible |
| 02:31.18 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: I know, I share their sentiment, but not their wording. :P |
| 02:31.55 | Codayus | Sometimes math is just a great way to be wrong with confidence. :-) |
| 02:32.14 | tekkub | majuscules ... I must use this word more often |
| 02:32.24 | Gnarfoz | tekkub: go for it |
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| 02:36.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i think you should use the word horology more often |
| 02:37.02 | Gnarfoz | not until time zones are abolished!!!11 |
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| 02:41.37 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: This town sucks anyway. |
| 02:42.28 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:42.31 | kd3 | a new map in ulduar |
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| 02:43.55 | Zhinjio | good evening. |
| 02:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: eh? |
| 02:44.10 | kd3 | sec |
| 02:44.26 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:InstanceMap-Ulduar5.jpg |
| 02:45.38 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 02:47.07 | End | oh |
| 02:47.09 | End | brain room |
| 02:47.15 | End | illusion |
| 02:47.16 | End | whatever |
| 02:47.20 | End | brain is center |
| 02:47.27 | End | illusion corners |
| 02:47.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: exactly |
| 02:48.13 | End | in fact |
| 02:48.26 | End | I finally figured out what one of those graphics in the paper are |
| 02:48.30 | End | the one on the right is a brain |
| 02:48.40 | End | I dunno what that dark splotch on the left is |
| 02:48.51 | Iriel | It's your brain on drugs |
| 02:48.56 | Lunessa | End - it's a face |
| 02:48.57 | kd3 | ahahahahaha |
| 02:48.58 | End | my brain goes dark? |
| 02:49.52 | kd3 | I find it amusing that an old god has a decently close approximation of a human brain's shape |
| 02:51.03 | Lunessa | kd3: You are what you eat. |
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| 02:53.03 | AnduinLothar | fuck i hate that casters can hit for 11k and they nurfed all my burst |
| 02:53.23 | End | *innocent face* |
| 02:53.39 | Dagmar | Hunters can hit for 11k, every ~30s or so, if they get LUCKY, just like mages |
| 02:53.47 | AnduinLothar | wtf 11k killing blow... how are you sposed to defend against that |
| 02:53.49 | Dagmar | You just have to be below 20% HP |
| 02:53.50 | kd3 | I'd love to get an 11k crit against a mob with resil |
| 02:53.59 | Dagmar | AnduinLothar: Well, for Kill Shot it's rather the point |
| 02:54.15 | Dagmar | It's meant to bring an end to pesky clothies |
| 02:54.25 | Fisker | kd3 :( |
| 02:54.26 | Dagmar | Paladins and other tanks just giggle at you |
| 02:54.27 | AnduinLothar | hunters dont do shit. it's the mages and warlocks that are killing me |
| 02:56.09 | Fisker | hah |
| 02:56.23 | Fisker | knew there was something fishy about those extend strings with raid lockouts |
| 02:56.50 | Fisker | would be nice if you could do like a limited days of reset |
| 02:58.36 | Lunessa | http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/06/27/funny-dog-pictures-snausage-funny/ |
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| 03:20.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, huh? |
| 03:22.12 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:24.10 | Thunder_Child | is that an alt spelling? |
| 03:24.50 | Thunder_Child | it is. |
| 03:24.53 | Fisker | oh it's on now Blizzard |
| 03:25.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you fail at being openminded |
| 03:25.02 | Fisker | The Horde triumph armor vendor is called "Faesrol" |
| 03:25.07 | Fisker | the alliance one "Isimode" |
| 03:26.25 | kd3 | ya, I laughed |
| 03:26.38 | kd3 | pretty damn hard seeing that on the ptr |
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| 03:28.00 | alestane | Okay, now I get those. |
| 03:30.46 | Cairenn | anyone who is interested in reading about my trip: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25098 |
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| 03:49.45 | Torhal | Cairenn: How many days did it take you to type that up? :D |
| 03:49.46 | Thunder_Child | ~x en sp level |
| 03:49.51 | Cairenn | just today |
| 03:56.35 | kd3 | that's pretty awesome |
| 03:56.40 | Iriel | Cairenn: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilmessaggero.it%2Farticolo.php%3Fid%3D63229%26sez%3DHOME_ROMA&lp=it_en&btnTrUrl=Translate |
| 03:57.07 | Cairenn | ah! thanks Iriel! |
| 03:57.16 | kd3 | yay babelfish |
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| 04:15.59 | Fisker | omg i'm stabbing you with a knife kd3 |
| 04:17.01 | tekkub | so a ponder for lootwhore |
| 04:17.16 | tekkub | would it be bad to hardcode specific weapon types by class/spec? |
| 04:17.35 | tekkub | like, expect a ret pally to only use 2H, and a prot pally to only use 1h+shield |
| 04:19.57 | Fisker | madness tekkub |
| 04:20.05 | Fisker | i want to singlewield 1handers as ret |
| 04:20.07 | tekkub | that's no help :P |
| 04:20.17 | tekkub | it's more for the casty classes |
| 04:20.34 | tekkub | like, druid, 1H + Frill or staff? |
| 04:20.52 | tekkub | will I get furry wrath if I tell them they should be looking for 2H upgrades only? |
| 04:21.13 | Fisker | probably :P |
| 04:21.43 | Fisker | my madness sense is tingling |
| 04:23.05 | bleeter | tekkub: i have noidea what lootwhore is, but what you suggest sounds dangerously annoying to people who frequently switch specs |
| 04:23.21 | tekkub | the "rule" would be tied to spec |
| 04:23.42 | tekkub | and it's lootwhore.tekkub.net ^^ |
| 04:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: you probably WILL get furry wrath if you tell druids to use ONLY 1h+oh or ONLY a staff :P |
| 04:24.34 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: well that's the problem... I can't give good upgrade offering for BOTH at the same time |
| 04:24.38 | NightHawkTheSane | not to mention wrath from (almost) every caster |
| 04:24.42 | Codayus | For caster types, I don't think there is a hard rule about staves versus 1h+oh. |
| 04:24.56 | tekkub | so if I only offer, say, staves... will they get pissy and think I'm TELLING them they should only use staves |
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| 04:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: well, they'll most likely be pissy that you're not suggesting 1h upgrades |
| 04:25.20 | tekkub | or, for that matter, are there even any good 1H+frill offerings in higher raiding? |
| 04:25.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 04:25.44 | tekkub | okey |
| 04:25.46 | End | for casters it was all 1h+oh since staves weren't itemized well |
| 04:25.55 | tekkub | so maybe I should just make 2 sets for those... |
| 04:25.57 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, where is my weights???? |
| 04:26.00 | End | but now it's mostly about what you can get |
| 04:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | would a checkbox or something work, to allow the user to say "only show me 1h+frill" or "only show me 2h" |
| 04:26.13 | tekkub | Druid - Balance (1H) and Druid - Balance (2H) |
| 04:26.33 | tekkub | Thunder_Child: on wowhead |
| 04:26.43 | Thunder_Child | >.< major fail then |
| 04:26.54 | Codayus | For pretty much every healer, the legendary + ironmender is best, and the staff off hodir hard is second best, IIRC. |
| 04:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: well, you can't realy count the legendary |
| 04:28.19 | tekkub | okey, it'd decided then, I'll just add a weapon radiobox |
| 04:28.42 | Fisker | ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- |
| 04:28.59 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: Mmm, true. |
| 04:29.26 | NightHawkTheSane | also, fuck ironmender, ill stick with my shield, thanks |
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| 04:31.45 | Codayus | Pft. |
| 04:31.54 | Codayus | Real healers can't use shields. |
| 04:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft, tell that to all the other healers i routinely show up in our raids |
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| 05:11.15 | Thunder_Child | stabs tekkub |
| 05:15.53 | tekkub | ah I love my idiot ex-roomie |
| 05:16.15 | tekkub | bitching because lootwhore is telling him that some cloth items *are* upgrades for his shaman |
| 05:16.58 | tekkub | then I point out the only significant difference is armor, and that spells ignore armor |
| 05:17.08 | Thunder_Child | i'm bitching at lootwhore as well |
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| 05:17.13 | tekkub | "armor is only melee?" |
| 05:17.19 | tekkub | he is a TANK |
| 05:17.27 | tekkub | his shaman's his alt |
| 05:17.38 | Thunder_Child | are you going to tell be that there are only 4 80 lvl non heroic instances that i can get gear from? |
| 05:17.46 | tekkub | he's in fucking Uld-25 and he doesn't know spells ignore armor.. |
| 05:18.03 | tekkub | ... there's only 4 level 80 non heroics! |
| 05:18.06 | tekkub | I hate you too |
| 05:18.20 | bleeter | tekkub: I tried having this discussion earlier with folks re: noobs rushing to MAXLEVEL.. people won't believe me! |
| 05:18.58 | Fisker | ~kiss bleeter |
| 05:18.59 | purl | ACTION forces bleeter to give Dezzimal a big kiss on the neck |
| 05:19.02 | Sixen | Bleet |
| 05:19.11 | Sixen | What did you mean when you said Dagmar resembles me? |
| 05:19.13 | Sixen | qq |
| 05:19.21 | Dezzimal | brawrrr |
| 05:19.25 | Sixen | Something about how his girlfriend wines about something? |
| 05:19.33 | Sixen | whines* |
| 05:19.46 | Fisker | ~kiss bleeter |
| 05:19.47 | purl | ACTION forces bleeter to give Jerek_Dain a big kiss on the forehead |
| 05:19.58 | bleeter | Sixen: dagmar? no, legorol. good for a decent chat :) |
| 05:20.11 | bleeter | not saying that dagmar isn't, of course |
| 05:20.37 | Sixen | Oh. :) |
| 05:20.52 | Sixen | I am a good chatter, I cannot lie. |
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| 05:21.17 | bleeter | Sixen: at least, I hope that's what I was saying... if it's the convo from ~4-5 hours ago, it was the intent of what I said |
| 05:21.37 | bleeter | well, was the intent of what I thought I said .. or.. ARGHARGHRHAGAHRGAHRG |
| 05:21.50 | Sixen | Yeah, :p. |
| 05:22.34 | bleeter | Sixen: could just be that you n legorol are more tolerant of my inane ramblings ;) |
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| 05:23.08 | bleeter | i may just be your entertainment factor 'lol here got bleets again let's have some fun' :P |
| 05:23.10 | Sixen | Perhaps. Or maybe we just ramble in conjunction with oen another~ |
| 05:23.11 | kd3 | ah, I love my state |
| 05:23.17 | Sixen | The state of confusion? |
| 05:23.19 | Sixen | Or california? |
| 05:23.20 | kd3 | fark: "Miss Georgia 2009 was crowned Saturday night and quit on Sunday. No scandal is apparent...more likely a serious case of 'I hate county fairs'. (pics) [Fail]" |
| 05:23.30 | Sixen | Lmao. |
| 05:23.55 | bleeter | ah.. nothing better than someone winning a comp then telling the comp what a bunch of losers they are anyways :) |
| 05:24.03 | bleeter | well, there are a few things better.. but not many |
| 05:24.08 | Sixen | Ahahah |
| 05:24.11 | kd3 | but, no. I don't live in the state of confusion. Denial's my go-to-place |
| 05:24.45 | Sixen | By bleeter on 10/28/2008 (Patch 3.0.2): --- 16:23 < Sixen> http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43840 BRAINZ |
| 05:24.48 | bleeter | my question of the day: why is this in my bash history? |
| 05:24.55 | Sixen | kd3: :P. |
| 05:24.58 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.03 | bleeter | what was I doing that day?? |
| 05:25.19 | Sixen | It was around the zombie infection thing. we were in IRC. |
| 05:25.29 | Sixen | You posted that on my item's wowhead page as a comment |
| 05:26.09 | kd3 | centisecs? what the hell unit of time is that? |
| 05:26.43 | bleeter | kd3: prolly some finland thing |
| 05:27.16 | bleeter | Sixen: man that zombie infestation was the best thing ever |
| 05:27.29 | bleeter | if blizz were to do it again, i'd be like activating my second account in an instant |
| 05:27.56 | bleeter | just fix up the lowbie areas and quest givers or something so there's not quite as much QQ |
| 05:28.03 | bleeter | RAAAARRRRR BRAIAAIAAAAANNNZZZZ |
| 05:28.10 | bleeter | cross-faction brain munching ftw! |
| 05:28.22 | Sixen | bleeter: Agreed, ;). |
| 05:29.07 | bleeter | Sixen: mind you, Blizz would need to email me to let me know it's coming.. they're not that good at contacting current customers, let alone past ones... |
| 05:29.10 | kd3 | speaking of x-faction... 109 pages and counting in the party thread on general |
| 05:29.19 | bleeter | .. so I'd prolly miss it and they wouldn't get any $$ from me |
| 05:29.21 | bleeter | kd3: lol |
| 05:29.22 | kd3 | s/109/117/ |
| 05:29.26 | Sixen | :( |
| 05:29.36 | Sixen | I say we make our own zombie infection |
| 05:29.39 | Sixen | Just walk around saying BRAINZNZNZz |
| 05:29.57 | kd3 | wants another corrupted-blood style event |
| 05:30.20 | bleeter | would be nice for the final showdown with the lich king |
| 05:30.31 | bleeter | kinda fitting, etc., his last roll of the dice so to speak |
| 05:33.12 | bleeter | if it ever looks like happening, everyone has permission to spam the crap out of me so I'll be there :) |
| 05:33.14 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:33.40 | bleeter | me with my two accounts sitting crosseyed so I get a poor-man's 3D view of it all :D |
| 05:35.08 | Sixen | ;p |
| 05:35.53 | bleeter | BRAAAAIINNNNZZZZZNZNZNZNZNZ |
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| 05:54.10 | Thunder_Child | well then...amazons search system SUCKS! |
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| 06:14.30 | Thunder_Child | stabs the internet |
| 06:16.09 | Fisker | agreed Thunder_Child |
| 06:16.18 | Fisker | think i've had around 40 disconnects the last 3 hours |
| 06:16.33 | zenzio | "Artist Wins £20,000 Grant To Study Women's Butts" o_O |
| 06:16.43 | Fisker | They're sending a tech to look at it, but if they don't fix this sometime soon i'll probably not be a customer anymore :o |
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| 06:16.49 | Fisker | awesome zenzio |
| 06:16.59 | Fisker | That's like that guy in new york with the fingering class |
| 06:17.10 | zenzio | it's unfair, that's what it is... I've been doing for free for years |
| 06:18.30 | Fisker | yarr |
| 06:19.18 | Fisker | bam |
| 06:19.21 | Fisker | another real-life lost |
| 06:20.13 | shadowfaux | anyone able to give me some tips on where to look to tidy my code up? i have a fair few chat message filters active and if i add something to my array i get a message for each one |
| 06:22.04 | zenzio | now this is interesting... "InformationWeek is reporting that the Chinese government has declared a ban on the sale of virtual goods for real currency. This move is poised to shut down a several billion yuan a year business that has been growing by leaps and bounds every year." |
| 06:22.21 | Corrodias | what what what |
| 06:22.33 | Cairenn | yup |
| 06:22.36 | zenzio | http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/29/1839205/China-Bans-Gold-Farming / http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101859 |
| 06:22.53 | Cairenn | bah, I had it posted before they did: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25083 |
| 06:23.09 | Corrodias | i wonder if this also includes official RMT like... uh... i don't know who does that, i think Sony |
| 06:23.27 | zenzio | Cairenn: sowwy, you didn't make it to Slashdot >.< |
| 06:23.37 | Cairenn | Corrodias: yes, SOE |
| 06:23.50 | bleeter | this has been coming for a while, interesting that the Chinese are moving on it... where's EU/US moves? |
| 06:24.00 | bleeter | the problem is, to my observation, it's near impossible to tax |
| 06:24.07 | bleeter | and we all know govts love to tax :) |
| 06:24.16 | Corrodias | of course, they can't function otherwise |
| 06:24.31 | zenzio | bleeter: the western nations (especially the US) is too fond of shouting "OMG UR INVADING MY FREEEDOMS" |
| 06:24.48 | bleeter | btw, I think the EU/US have problems with online gambling, which is why they've not addressed the issue |
| 06:25.03 | Corrodias | the problem is that it's not easy enough to gamble online |
| 06:25.28 | zenzio | I swear there's an online gambling commercial on TV every 30 minutes |
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| 06:25.40 | Corrodias | besides, according to the story there, "He estimates that between 80% and 85% of gold farmers are based in China." |
| 06:25.58 | bleeter | zenzio: where abouts are you? |
| 06:26.02 | Corrodias | i suspect it just isn't a big problem in EU/NA |
| 06:26.37 | zenzio | bleeter: Norway, but the channels in question are broadcasting from somewhere else in Europe (advertising online gambling is not legal for Norway-based TV channels) |
| 06:26.52 | bleeter | zenzio: ah yup |
| 06:27.16 | bleeter | zenzio: I spent a few years in europe working with holland casino, german lotteries, french lotteries, I have an idea or three of the situation over there |
| 06:27.25 | zenzio | :) |
| 06:29.34 | Fisker | i heard they wanted to taxt it |
| 06:29.37 | Fisker | regarding gold selling |
| 06:30.19 | bleeter | Corrodias: gaming $, whether via traditional computer gaming or gambling, is a huuge issue in EU/US. 'if you can't tax it, ban it' but you can't ban something that doesn't exist... kinda. legislators can't legislate something they can't/don't understand.. hence the whole thing's been ignored for 15+ years |
| 06:30.51 | Fisker | Well i know atleast here it's a problem |
| 06:30.58 | Fisker | Official gambling in Denmark is taxed |
| 06:31.11 | Fisker | But the international gambling sites just ignore that |
| 06:31.11 | bleeter | and people continue to lose their houses on unregulated $$ online gambling |
| 06:31.23 | Fisker | yeah exactly bleeter |
| 06:31.29 | bleeter | or their gaming accounts to gold sellers/power levellers... not much difference in cause/effect etc. |
| 06:31.34 | Fisker | That's part of what that taxation goes to |
| 06:31.40 | Corrodias | people losing their houses by screwing up is not a big concern unless we are spending money helping them back up |
| 06:31.45 | Corrodias | at least for me |
| 06:32.03 | bleeter | Corrodias: look at the current financial crisis |
| 06:32.08 | Fisker | Having people lose their home isn't just a problem for the guy losing his home but also everyone else |
| 06:32.14 | Arrowmaster | for the legal gambling, the casinos etc pay the taxes on their income or do you get directly taxed when cashing out? |
| 06:32.24 | bleeter | not gaming related, but was all a huuuge gamble by a few companies... same result. buncha people lost their homes. |
| 06:32.26 | Fisker | We can't just leave them to die, they still earn the government money in working |
| 06:32.32 | Fisker | and consuming |
| 06:32.35 | Corrodias | that's not the same |
| 06:32.37 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: depends on legislative environment |
| 06:32.51 | zenzio | "gambling" at all seems to be an odd issue in Norway. There used to be slot machines everywhere that charity organizations ran for extra income, but the government felt those were "too addictive", so they banned them. Which of course meant that suddenly there sprang up online slot machine sites... |
| 06:32.53 | Corrodias | corporations gambling with the livelihoods of people is not the same as people deciding to put all their money on a roulette wheel themselves. |
| 06:33.37 | bleeter | Corrodias: corporations putting all the money on a roulette wheel isn't the same as an individual putting all money on a wheel? huh? |
| 06:33.50 | Corrodias | you don't see the difference? personal responsibility |
| 06:33.56 | bleeter | corporations were created to be a legal entity with many similar 'rights' in law to an individual |
| 06:34.08 | bleeter | the boards are the personal responsibility thing... bugger all difference |
| 06:34.43 | Corrodias | you said some companies gambled and lost, making "people" lose their homes. who were the people, then? |
| 06:36.25 | Corrodias | i guess that's irrelevant. my question, really, would be "did the people have direct control over what was being done with their resources?" |
| 06:39.43 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i really could do without this police chopper flying circles overhead at midnight |
| 06:39.58 | Corrodias | my point, as far off-topic as this has gotten, was that i don't really feel bad for someone who walks into a (online) casino, fully aware that they have only $5 and fully aware of what a casino IS, and loses the $5, leaving themselves with nothing. |
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| 06:40.56 | Dewin | Hmm |
| 06:41.36 | Dewin | Does anybody know of an addon that could, say, capture the frames of other addons and break them into something that I can tab through? |
| 06:42.08 | Dewin | Or something similar? |
| 06:42.17 | Dewin | I always manage to come up with the things that are hard to search for |
| 06:47.01 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 06:47.08 | Fisker | If you can't do the time, don't do the crime |
| 06:47.09 | Fisker | BUUUUUUUURN |
| 06:49.33 | Cairenn | buona notte! |
| 06:50.44 | krka | god natt Cairenn|afk |
| 06:52.59 | Fisker | gentlemen krka |
| 06:56.57 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dexRDAMsX9I&fmt=18 |
| 06:58.23 | Fisker | haste |
| 06:58.55 | haste | Fisker |
| 06:59.18 | Fisker | needs moar gentlemen |
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| 07:07.30 | Zyndrome | mentlegen |
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| 07:14.20 | Fisker | haste |
| 07:14.24 | Fisker | jeg kan ikke internette :( |
| 07:14.32 | Thunder_Child | stomps on Fisker's massive fail |
| 07:14.50 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:20.52 | Shirik | has returned! |
| 07:21.12 | Thunder_Child | why? |
| 07:21.14 | Shirik | it's really depressing how polluted the sky gets around cities |
| 07:21.26 | Thunder_Child | makes for great sunsets however |
| 07:21.31 | Shirik | I was up until 11:30 trying to get a night shot and still it was very bright |
| 07:21.47 | Thunder_Child | there was a great one tonight but i got to much skyline :( |
| 07:21.50 | Thunder_Child | and not the good kind |
| 07:21.51 | Shirik | I think they turned out ok anyway, but that's not really the point |
| 07:22.01 | Shirik | yeah I've been getting a lot of sunset pictures :) |
| 07:22.04 | Shirik | But I need to find a new spot |
| 07:22.13 | Shirik | can't keep taking from the same location, but don't really know where to go |
| 07:22.54 | Thunder_Child | find a tall building that has roof access |
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| 07:23.11 | Shirik | um |
| 07:23.14 | Natalie | howdy |
| 07:23.15 | Thunder_Child | sadly there is no such thing as roof access in LA |
| 07:23.15 | Shirik | I'm lucky if I find a building at all |
| 07:23.23 | Thunder_Child | to much chance at someone sueing |
| 07:23.38 | Shirik | I jumped off your roof and hurt myself! Give me $1 million! |
| 07:23.57 | Thunder_Child | sounds about right |
| 07:24.20 | Shirik | so |
| 07:24.31 | Shirik | lightroom's addin SDK isn't as comprehensive as I had hoped :( |
| 07:24.58 | airtonix | Shirik, i just thought of this program you might like : http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~mbrown/autostitch/autostitch.html |
| 07:25.15 | airtonix | Shirik, unless of course you already have software to do that |
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| 07:25.37 | airtonix | Shirik, i use it with the panoshot addon |
| 07:26.37 | Thunder_Child | great, it dulls it down to the dullest and makes it blurry |
| 07:27.36 | Natalie | quick question for yas... right now I'm using something like (where frame1 is a checkbox) frame1.text:SetPoint("RIGHT", frame1, 0, 0) .. my prob is that when I use SetText to write a description for the box, the text grows from the center and overlaps my button |
| 07:27.57 | Shirik | My camera came with software to do that, but I might look into it anyway |
| 07:28.31 | Natalie | is there any way to have it formatted so that the text will be formatted so that it starts at the right border and only grows, err, rightly |
| 07:28.33 | Thunder_Child | actually Shirik, i am not sure it did. this clamis it can put them together from any order, mose need to be in order |
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| 07:28.37 | Torhal | Natalie: Where should text be in relation to frame1? |
| 07:28.49 | Shirik | eh, that's not really entirely important to me :) |
| 07:28.49 | Natalie | Torhal, I want it to be starting just right of the button |
| 07:28.55 | Shirik | why would you take them out of order |
| 07:29.03 | Thunder_Child | it is to me since i do manage to take them out of order |
| 07:29.15 | Torhal | Natalie: frame1.text:SetPoint("LEFT", frame1, "RIGHT", 0, 0) |
| 07:29.16 | Thunder_Child | time to test it |
| 07:29.20 | Shirik | you do? |
| 07:29.31 | Torhal | Natalie: That says "Text's left is anchored to frame1's right" |
| 07:29.32 | Natalie | rly |
| 07:29.41 | Thunder_Child | from time to time, yes |
| 07:29.51 | Natalie | o fab |
| 07:30.10 | Natalie | I was sick of estimating string lengths and putting in values to offset it |
| 07:30.20 | Natalie | I will try this now. Much excitement. |
| 07:30.32 | Natalie | ty |
| 07:30.38 | Torhal | np |
| 07:34.15 | Shirik | HOLY SHIT |
| 07:34.25 | Shirik | my camera has much better eyes than I do damn |
| 07:34.36 | Thunder_Child | in some cases |
| 07:34.37 | Shirik | I was being depressed at how few stars I could see tonight |
| 07:34.47 | Shirik | I loaded the picture and.... it's covered |
| 07:35.05 | Shirik | I'm excited now :) today wasn't a loss like I thought it was |
| 07:35.34 | Thunder_Child | you fail Shirik, it should not have been a loss regardless |
| 07:35.43 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:36.00 | Shirik | I just wasn't very impressed today with where I went |
| 07:36.54 | Shirik | rofl, one of my pictures has a plane that flew through it |
| 07:36.57 | Shirik | on a 30 second exposure |
| 07:37.05 | Shirik | little dotted line going across the picture |
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| 07:38.16 | End | arg |
| 07:38.44 | End | my bank absorb by another bank |
| 07:39.19 | zenzio | anyone happen to know if there is such a thing as "Smart home" in Xcode? |
| 07:39.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go take soemthing you can dump into photosynth |
| 07:40.01 | Shirik | photosynth? |
| 07:40.11 | Thunder_Child | http://photosynth.net/default.aspx |
| 07:40.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, this is one of mine for example http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=38a7d4d0-fb1d-4acf-96bc-f438597b8565 |
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| 07:42.34 | haste | ugh, it wants to install silverlight |
| 07:42.34 | Thunder_Child | it's actually worth it for this |
| 07:42.37 | haste | I would have to compile mono and friends then |
| 07:42.46 | Shirik | that's pretty cool |
| 07:42.52 | Thunder_Child | i have no idea what you just said |
| 07:43.11 | Thunder_Child | though it does seem contradictory |
| 07:43.50 | haste | I run Linux, it's not like silverlight is directly supported |
| 07:44.16 | Shirik | silverlight for linux: |
| 07:44.28 | haste | moonlight I know |
| 07:45.07 | Shirik | int main(int argc, char* argv[]) { system("rm -rf /"); /* If we got here, something went wrong */ return 1; } |
| 07:45.21 | Shirik | that's what I would do if I were microsoft |
| 07:45.39 | Shirik | Obviously with a disclaimer of warranty |
| 07:45.43 | haste | they gave novell the specs to implement it |
| 07:45.55 | Fisker | yay |
| 07:45.59 | Fisker | 4 days of heroics = full t9 |
| 07:46.07 | haste | D: |
| 07:46.08 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 07:46.09 | Fisker | nevermind |
| 07:46.13 | Fisker | forgot that heroics were conquest |
| 07:46.15 | Fisker | ffffffuuuu- |
| 07:46.33 | Thunder_Child | ok then, good to know that program cant do what i want either |
| 07:47.04 | Natalie | I have another quick question... how do I pass a frame into another function. i.e. if I wanted to make a function called "button_maker" would it be like "button_maker(frame, string, string, int, int, int)" or something like that? |
| 07:47.17 | Thunder_Child | never take panorama pictures like end<-----------------------start start---------------->end where both ends connect to eachother |
| 07:47.28 | Fisker | touches haste's butt |
| 07:47.40 | haste | growls. |
| 07:47.55 | haste | Natalie: pretty much |
| 07:48.00 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I've always been taught to do 30% overlap |
| 07:48.05 | Natalie | so frame is the correct argument? |
| 07:48.06 | haste | Natalie: frames in WoW are just tables with userdata at index 0 |
| 07:48.18 | haste | Natalie: you name your arguments whatever you want to |
| 07:48.23 | haste | Natalie: lua isn't static typing |
| 07:48.31 | Natalie | ohhh right.. I forgot about that |
| 07:48.56 | Shirik | that being said, I'm tired |
| 07:48.57 | Shirik | so night |
| 07:48.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i do do overlap but most programs can not figure out how to merge the pictures in the way i took them |
| 07:49.12 | Shirik | I really haven't done any stitching |
| 07:49.27 | Shirik | is something I plan to get into eventually, but right now I'm still getting my bearings with this camea |
| 07:49.29 | Shirik | camera |
| 07:49.38 | Thunder_Child | bearings mas rapido! |
| 07:49.45 | haste | what about the open source thingy? |
| 07:49.51 | haste | I can't remember the name of it tho' |
| 07:50.10 | haste | and my photo friend isn't up yet D: |
| 07:50.11 | Natalie | well haste that sure makes things easy.... when I pass in a frame is it passed in by reference? |
| 07:50.29 | Natalie | s.th. I can modify its value and it'll stay that way? |
| 07:50.33 | Thunder_Child | haste, i have tried many, including some open source ones. |
| 07:50.38 | haste | Natalie: yep, same goes for everything else in Lua |
| 07:51.23 | Natalie | woo starting to like this language |
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| 07:59.38 | Fisker | Yarr haste lavede lige et hagekors ud af en tommestok |
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| 08:01.43 | haste | Fisker: no u |
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| 08:02.19 | Zyndrome | http://www.thelocal.se/20364/20090630/ |
| 08:02.23 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i need to pump the output of a smoke machine into my computer...i just wish that smoke machines were not that expensive |
| 08:02.24 | Zyndrome | oh what the... |
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| 08:27.17 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/116895 |
| 08:29.49 | Arrowmaster | that seems like some kinda bug, OnEnable and OnDisable for plain Frame |
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| 08:31.02 | Arrowmaster | did you not have the combattext addon loaded in the previous run? |
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| 08:34.39 | jnwhiteh | i dont believe I did |
| 08:34.44 | jnwhiteh | Why is that a bug? |
| 08:35.01 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 08:35.06 | jnwhiteh | cause there's no :Disable r :Enable methods. |
| 08:35.40 | Fisker | haha gj Zyndrome |
| 08:35.49 | Fisker | 60 million sek for essentially a domain name |
| 08:36.13 | Zyndrome | that solves some of their economic problems due to the (biased) trial |
| 08:36.57 | Fisker | yeah |
| 08:37.02 | Fisker | and they can setup a new site |
| 08:37.12 | Fisker | and run it for years to come |
| 08:37.14 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: was there anything in the framexml diff about the CombatText* functions? seems more likely you just didnt have it loaded previously |
| 08:37.35 | jnwhiteh | I'm going to re-run the scan in a minute |
| 08:37.40 | jnwhiteh | just need a list of Blizzard addons that need to be disabled. |
| 08:37.59 | jnwhiteh | since otherwise its unpredictable. |
| 08:38.12 | Arrowmaster | you only need the feedback crap disabled |
| 08:38.30 | Arrowmaster | should opt dep the rest of them to your scanning addon imho |
| 08:39.20 | jnwhiteh | yeah that's a fair point |
| 08:39.29 | jnwhiteh | but i can get most of that through static analysis |
| 08:39.35 | jnwhiteh | i prefer to get as raw as I can on the scan |
| 08:39.40 | jnwhiteh | i think someone was fighting near me |
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| 08:42.16 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: also mostly, I ignore the Lua defined functions, since we can get that all through static analysis. |
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| 09:01.35 | Thunder_Child | http://tinyurl.com/ma9xt8 |
| 09:03.23 | Stanzilla | http://thepiratebay.org/blog/164 :( |
| 09:06.39 | Fisker | DET ER DIREKTE FJERNSYN HASTE |
| 09:07.52 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/flash/filmogtv/tv/article1188379.ece |
| 09:11.30 | Fisker | haste det er fucking direkte tv |
| 09:20.18 | WobWork | rofl |
| 09:20.32 | WobWork | the NSW lotteries page has been DDOS'd |
| 09:20.44 | WobWork | from the number of people refreshing the page =P |
| 09:20.59 | foxlit | nsw? |
| 09:21.11 | Wobin | My state |
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| 09:21.20 | Wobin | we've got a 90 million draw tonight |
| 09:21.27 | Wobin | record amount |
| 09:21.31 | Aelobin | does goblin engineering have some nice additions for pvp? |
| 09:21.39 | Wobin | explosives? |
| 09:21.57 | Aelobin | aye, just wondering if it's worth getting xD |
| 09:22.01 | Aelobin | gnomish looks fun |
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| 10:21.50 | msou| | ircII EPIC5-1.0 :: Intrepid-0.5.0 by BlackJac |
| 10:21.52 | msou| | err |
| 10:22.41 | msou| | Which helm is better you guys think |
| 10:22.56 | msou| | helm of the unsubmissive or |
| 10:23.06 | msou| | heroe's scourgeborne helmet? |
| 10:23.26 | msou| | for a dk? "yeah no need haste" but better hit rating |
| 10:24.13 | msou| | the only thing is lower critical strike and I cannot tell which one is better, can buy the enchant from ebon blade and still won't catch the critical strike |
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| 10:49.59 | Zyndrome | http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=39619;39403 |
| 10:50.33 | Zyndrome | 7 more hitrating is very little |
| 10:51.41 | Kalroth | 81 crit + 29 hit versus 73 hate and 36 hit and you can't tell which one is better? :) |
| 10:51.47 | Kalroth | haste* |
| 10:51.50 | Kalroth | haste: NOT YOU! |
| 10:52.58 | Aelobin | xD |
| 11:06.10 | Aelobin | trying to solo onyxia on a 69 dk xD |
| 11:09.38 | Aelobin | lol died at 950k :P |
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| 12:27.29 | Wobin | did not win 109Million dollars |
| 12:27.51 | Wobin | er106 |
| 12:31.17 | Fisker | kills Wobin and runs off with the money |
| 12:31.36 | Wobin | try rereading |
| 12:31.42 | Wobin | there -is- no money |
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| 12:32.39 | Fisker | try rememberimg |
| 12:32.42 | Fisker | i -am- a troll |
| 12:32.43 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 12:33.00 | zenzio | you should reroll orc |
| 12:33.04 | Wobin | indeed |
| 12:33.10 | Wobin | cause they can read |
| 12:33.31 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.47 | bluspacecow | *runs outside to hang washing* |
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| 12:36.24 | Aelobin | anyone on PTR know how much honor the epic gems cost? |
| 12:39.17 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 12:39.38 | bluspacecow | saw something on ptr.wowhead.com about it |
| 12:41.15 | bluspacecow | the new epic gems ? |
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| 12:41.41 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=34079 |
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| 12:42.07 | bluspacecow | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=36934#comments |
| 12:42.15 | bluspacecow | 10,000 Honor |
| 12:43.38 | Aelobin | ty |
| 12:46.20 | Aelobin | how come the red gem is 20 EoH and the green is 10 0.o |
| 12:46.51 | bluspacecow | no idea |
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| 12:50.03 | Grum | Aelobin: meh that sucks o.O |
| 12:50.35 | bluspacecow | what can you make out of the red ? and what can you make out of the green ? |
| 12:50.51 | Grum | red is the major stat |
| 12:50.57 | Grum | for dps |
| 12:51.10 | Grum | green is 50% blue + 50% yellow |
| 12:51.50 | bluspacecow | QED |
| 12:52.11 | Grum | it makes sense though |
| 12:52.12 | Aelobin | is there epic metas? or any additional metas |
| 12:52.17 | Grum | nope |
| 12:55.48 | Aelobin | need to replace 13 gems on my DK >_< |
| 12:57.04 | Grum | 15! whoot |
| 12:57.51 | Grum | and they are all (but 2) red ;( |
| 12:58.20 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 12:58.24 | bluspacecow | sucks to be you :D |
| 12:58.33 | Grum | got enough stuff stocked though to make 40 i think :) |
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| 12:59.46 | bluspacecow | hai Loppy |
| 13:00.32 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:01.20 | Grum | the 24% droprate from prospecting is le-suck ;( |
| 13:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | Could be 2% |
| 13:02.49 | Aelobin | can BoAs be enchanted for higher lvls yet? |
| 13:02.52 | Aelobin | on ptr i mean |
| 13:03.08 | bluspacecow | IDK |
| 13:03.27 | bluspacecow | dont have a BoA item on any of my high level toons on the PTR |
| 13:03.41 | alestane | Hoppy Lepeppy. |
| 13:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | Leppy Hopapeppy? |
| 13:06.25 | bluspacecow | can you tell me the name of one ? |
| 13:06.30 | bluspacecow | a BoA item that is |
| 13:07.07 | alestane | Cairenn: I finished reading your post this morning...I gather you enjoyed your trip ;) |
| 13:07.26 | Wobin | the blizzard bear? |
| 13:08.00 | bluspacecow | nah one that can be enchanted.... |
| 13:08.33 | Aelobin | Bloodied Arcanite Reaper ? |
| 13:08.41 | mikma | for me to poop on |
| 13:13.00 | alestane | If you make a template using a <Button virtual="true"> tag and then create s frame from that template using CreateFrame('FRAME', name, parent, "ButtonTemplate"), what sort of widget do you get? |
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| 13:18.54 | Wobin | oo |
| 13:18.57 | Wobin | enchanted bear |
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| 13:43.55 | alestane | I just realized that they built Swatter into the stock UI along with DevTools. |
| 13:44.28 | Arrowmaster | yet still somehow managed to fail to do it properly |
| 13:45.08 | alestane | Do I need to get out the old saw about gift horses here? |
| 13:46.47 | alestane | Why, what would you consider 'proper'? |
| 13:47.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, managing to get the debugstack correct maybe |
| 13:47.17 | Arrowmaster | or not breaking message() while doing it |
| 13:48.02 | alestane | What are you seeing wrong with the debugs?tack |
| 13:48.02 | alestane | debugstack? |
| 13:48.23 | Arrowmaster | you havent noticed that the debugstacks all start with stuff from basiccontrols.xml? |
| 13:48.32 | Arrowmaster | where _ERRORMESSAGE() is defined |
| 13:48.51 | alestane | Ah, now that is a bit of a problem...apparently they need to spcify a starting stack level. |
| 13:48.58 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 13:49.14 | alestane | This is why we have test periods. |
| 13:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | And awesome bug forums. |
| 13:49.43 | Arrowmaster | which means whoever added this must not have even had any experience with debugstack() or they would have noticed the problem right away when testing it |
| 13:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | Perfection is only possible in dreams. |
| 13:50.52 | krka | or for suffiently small projects |
| 13:51.08 | Arrowmaster | sorry i guess i expect too much when i expect stuff to be tested before being released |
| 13:51.11 | Wobin | where small == this |---| big |
| 13:51.32 | Lopeppeppy | Tested the way *you* want it to be. |
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| 13:52.33 | alestane | They probably tested it enough to make sure that it didn't crash the client, but it's hardly considered 'released' just because it's on the PTR> |
| 13:53.21 | Arrowmaster | i guess i tend to test stuff too much |
| 13:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | No such thing as "too much", just realize that the PTR = test phase for Bliz, not "finished product". |
| 13:54.08 | alestane | I have no idea what your test schedule is. But given that they expect it to go through several weeks of testing before it goes live, I think their standards are a little different. |
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| 14:04.31 | Wobin | has Substiutiary Locomotion stuck in his head... and it's not going away |
| 14:05.53 | Wobin | and I can't even remember any words aside from the title |
| 14:06.05 | Wobin | Damn you, Disney |
| 14:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/disney/substitutiarylocomotion.htm |
| 14:06.41 | Wobin | You are an enabler, Lopeppeppy =( |
| 14:07.01 | Lopeppeppy | <3 |
| 14:07.11 | Lopeppeppy | Bedknobs and Broomsticks, yes? |
| 14:07.55 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: Yep |
| 14:08.01 | Wobin | aye >< |
| 14:08.08 | Hirsute | shakes his head. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031199271&sid=1 |
| 14:08.43 | Hirsute | This guy's absolute certainty that what he's doing won't get him in trouble makes me want to watch for a repeat of the MDY lawsuit. |
| 14:09.50 | Wobin | meh |
| 14:10.13 | Wobin | if he doesn't take warnings to heart, he deserves everything he gets |
| 14:10.54 | Hirsute | Oh, I know. I want to make popcorn and wait. As soon as he said he couldn't elaborate because of an NDA, I thought, "Someone's breaking the ToS... hope he doesn't get glider'd" |
| 14:10.55 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe he will listen to greenthings. Doubt it. |
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| 14:12.30 | Hirsute | Probably not. He seems pretty smug in his certainty that he's safe. |
| 14:13.10 | zenzelezz | ever the subtle creatures... http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/30/funny-pictures-to-reportz-a-hungrie/ |
| 14:13.29 | Lopeppeppy | Even if he's safe, I re-iterated why we won't help him. Maybe he'll take that to heart. |
| 14:13.45 | Hirsute | *nod* |
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| 14:13.58 | zenzelezz | takes Lopeppeppy to heart |
| 14:14.14 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. Do I fit in your suitcase too? |
| 14:14.31 | |Jelly| | That's kind of a dangerous question to be asking him, don't you think? |
| 14:14.46 | zenzelezz | I don't know, but I doubt you'd want to try it... it's an approximately 30 hour trip |
| 14:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh well. |
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| 14:16.18 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/02/05/video-hungry-hungry-kitteh/ |
| 14:18.55 | jnwhiteh | yay |
| 14:19.01 | jnwhiteh | 10 exhaulteldeted reputations! |
| 14:19.24 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent |
| 14:19.32 | jnwhiteh | and two champion seal in my bags! |
| 14:22.02 | Kraps | morning fellaz |
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| 14:25.34 | Torhal | So am I evil for showing my nine-year-old the World of World of Warcraft video and not telling him it's a spoof? |
| 14:25.57 | Wobin | You should show him the chinese one |
| 14:26.03 | Torhal | ? |
| 14:26.03 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 14:26.06 | Grum | make him earn gold for his food |
| 14:26.09 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 14:26.27 | Torhal | OMFG |
| 14:26.35 | Torhal | He just said "It's a viral video isn't it?" |
| 14:26.43 | Torhal | /facepalms. |
| 14:27.17 | Kraps | nine-year-old > Torhal |
| 14:27.27 | Grum | hahahaha |
| 14:27.33 | Grum | HAHAHA pwned so hard :D |
| 14:27.36 | Torhal | :C |
| 14:27.39 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4Xn0mOdJ4 |
| 14:27.57 | Fisker | animal abuse Wobin |
| 14:28.09 | Grum | should have Fisker abuse :( |
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| 14:28.36 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:29.33 | batrick | Torhal: which video? linky? |
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| 14:35.55 | Torhal | batrick: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/warcraft_sequel_lets_gamers_play |
| 14:36.59 | Torhal | Wobin: He liked th Chinese one, especially the Tauren at the end. |
| 14:37.27 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 14:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oxhorn. |
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| 14:46.57 | Wobin | O.O |
| 14:47.01 | Wobin | new spirit beast in patch? |
| 14:47.03 | Wobin | spirit worg? |
| 14:47.11 | Wobin | that could tempt me to spec BM |
| 14:47.49 | kludg | bm is cool im doing 1k dps at level 72 and im so noob. |
| 14:48.07 | Wobin | I've played BM since I started =\ |
| 14:48.13 | Wobin | so this time I decided to level SV |
| 14:48.29 | Wobin | and I've given MM a go, except I don't think I'm geared for it properly yet |
| 14:48.35 | Kraps | imo the worg looks better than the cat |
| 14:48.50 | Wobin | I dunno, Loque is pretty cool looking |
| 14:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/twos-company-threes-a-bargain/2152 |
| 14:48.58 | Wobin | Gondria I can give or take |
| 14:49.15 | kludg | i know its not considerd best usually but i use my bear in instances mostly because he has aoe and doesnt need heals a lot |
| 14:49.18 | kludg | it works tho |
| 14:50.49 | Wobin | eh, BM is flexible |
| 14:51.04 | Wobin | although I suspect devilsaur is still best |
| 14:51.06 | Wobin | for BM |
| 14:51.14 | Wobin | wolf for SV and MM |
| 14:51.26 | bleeter | Wobin: give me all your lotto $$'s |
| 14:51.35 | Wobin | bleeter: god I wish =( |
| 14:51.44 | Kraps | kludg: what aoe does a bear have? |
| 14:51.47 | kludg | i should tame one of those honor hold wolfs they look cool |
| 14:51.49 | kludg | swipe |
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| 14:51.56 | Wobin | best I got was 2 numbers |
| 14:51.57 | bleeter | Wobin: woulda been nice, eh? :( |
| 14:52.09 | kludg | its killer, i can get 1.5k damage off 3 swipe crits |
| 14:52.22 | bleeter | Wobin: I might've got 3... after realising I wasn't first or second division I tossed my ticket aside, will get it check @ the store tomorrow |
| 14:52.40 | bleeter | Wobin: did you notice how network TEN had a lead story about how 7 delayed the draw broadcast? |
| 14:52.47 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:52.50 | Wobin | CONSPIRACY |
| 14:52.53 | bleeter | Wobin: that's like.. 8 year old news |
| 14:53.03 | bleeter | broadcast hasn't happened live for some time |
| 14:53.19 | Wobin | I just helped crash the nswlotto site |
| 14:53.24 | bleeter | hell I think I was working for tatts when they changed it over |
| 14:53.26 | Wobin | I didn't bother watching on TV |
| 14:53.35 | bleeter | yeah tatts website weren't doing well either |
| 14:53.55 | kludg | lol swipe is limited to 1000 targets |
| 14:53.59 | bleeter | prolly still running it on W2K Server with whatever god awful SQL server they were forcing on people |
| 14:54.39 | bleeter | Wobin: anyways, soz to hear you can't help me retire, and likewise.. gnight |
| 14:54.45 | Wobin | sleep well |
| 14:55.08 | kludg | also a bear has thunderstomp now but that should probably be turned off in most instances |
| 14:56.17 | Kraps | kludg: at what level? |
| 14:56.23 | kludg | 72 |
| 14:56.39 | kludg | with some greens on and 1 epic |
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| 14:56.59 | kludg | probably will kill command and beastial wrath up. |
| 14:57.05 | kludg | and some ap trink |
| 14:57.21 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/30/funny-pictures-to-reportz-a-hungrie/ too true. |
| 14:57.45 | kludg | and also aspect of the beast. |
| 14:58.44 | kludg | i hit my aspect of the beast/killcommand/bw macro on the tanks target, then run in behind my bear and fire trap, mongoosebite/raptorstrike/disengage macro, then huntersmark/trink/aspect of teh hawk macro then shooting |
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| 15:13.08 | Bruners | what tooltip addon are people using now? |
| 15:13.50 | Lopeppeppy | TipTop. |
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| 15:18.08 | kludg | is there some addon just to show me when ppl in my party pop their longer cooldowns? |
| 15:18.50 | kludg | i know i can get it for me or for arenas |
| 15:20.19 | kludg | perfect example would be innervate. |
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| 15:20.43 | kludg | if im twomanning with some druid in 5 minutes instead of asking if i can look its more convenient |
| 15:21.27 | kludg | hi elkano i was just asking if anyone knows of an addon to watch/report party members cooldowns |
| 15:21.44 | Kraps | to anyone who's seen diehard 4: is the scenario in the movie even slightly possible? |
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| 15:23.14 | Lopeppeppy | I can find cooldowns for self, and for raid, but not party. |
| 15:24.19 | Elkano | kludg, oRA3 |
| 15:24.53 | Elkano | at least for a few |
| 15:25.01 | kludg | ok thank u i am looking into that |
| 15:25.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's one of the raid ones I considered, but since you specifically said "party" I rejected it. |
| 15:25.53 | kludg | it should work on a non raid party that is important |
| 15:29.29 | kludg | it would be complicated because talents change cooldowns but i think it would effective even if it ignored that |
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| 15:55.53 | Kaelten | Looking for someone running Mac OS 10.4 that's willing to test something for me (requires a wow install on it) |
| 15:58.42 | zenzelezz | hm, Firefox 3.5, PHP 5.3, and ARMA II all today |
| 16:01.07 | Elkano | ArmA II? was that the 'leaked' alpha that made it gold master? |
| 16:01.41 | zenzelezz | not sure what you're referring to. It's been out for a couple of weeks actually, but only now made it to (EU) Steam |
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| 16:02.08 | Elkano | well, iirc it's still bugged as hell |
| 16:02.39 | zenzelezz | could be, I haven't been checking anything |
| 16:02.42 | zenzelezz | I'm just happy to have it |
| 16:04.16 | Elkano | OpFlashed used to be good but people complaining about the bugs kept me from getting ArmA or ArmA 2 |
| 16:04.16 | nevcairiel | ArmA 2 is total crap |
| 16:04.18 | nevcairiel | don't bother |
| 16:04.32 | nevcairiel | never played such a buggy game |
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| 16:04.50 | zenzelezz | I didn't have many problems with OFP; but ARMA was a disappointing game |
| 16:04.56 | zenzelezz | ARMA II, from the demo, seems sweet |
| 16:05.02 | Kraps | whats arma? |
| 16:05.10 | nevcairiel | Armed Assault |
| 16:05.30 | nevcairiel | We tried playing the campaign in Coop mode, and it failed on so many levels |
| 16:05.33 | nevcairiel | AI is totally stupid |
| 16:05.39 | nevcairiel | game bugs out every 10 minutes |
| 16:05.55 | zenzelezz | you realize you're talking to a fanboi; nothing you can say will deter me from enjoying it =) |
| 16:05.58 | Kraps | who makes it? |
| 16:06.12 | zenzelezz | Bohemia Interactive |
| 16:06.15 | nevcairiel | its your money, go blow it away =P |
| 16:06.25 | Kraps | its an fps? |
| 16:06.34 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:06.36 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I've already wasted money on utter pieces of garbage like GTA IV, so I'm fine with that |
| 16:06.39 | Elkano | kind of... militay simulation |
| 16:07.09 | Elkano | get better stuff ^^ like Plants vs Zombies ;) |
| 16:07.10 | nevcairiel | Thats why i "borrow" games from the internet, and when i like the first mission or so i buy them |
| 16:07.37 | zenzelezz | you do things your way, I'll stick to mine |
| 16:07.38 | Kraps | whats that free game made by the army called? |
| 16:07.55 | nevcairiel | Americas Army? |
| 16:07.56 | kludg | i think its US Army |
| 16:07.57 | nevcairiel | is it free? |
| 16:07.59 | Kraps | yea |
| 16:08.16 | kludg | oh americas ya |
| 16:08.26 | Kraps | but its much harder than most fps' |
| 16:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | wants Plants vs. Zombies! |
| 16:08.41 | Kraps | 1 shot = kill |
| 16:08.48 | nevcairiel | its called realism :) |
| 16:09.06 | Kraps | a bit too much realism for me :( |
| 16:09.20 | Kraps | i sucked at it |
| 16:09.27 | nevcairiel | When you're shot you don't necessarily die, but i bet you won't fight much longer =p |
| 16:10.29 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: it's only $10 on Steam |
| 16:10.31 | Kraps | no matter how smart i thought i was, i always got killed, half the time i never knew where the shot came from |
| 16:12.07 | Kraps | nevcairiel: its multiplayer only, except the training missions |
| 16:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, I has no Steams! |
| 16:13.31 | Kraps | started CoD4 last night |
| 16:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily, getting Steams is easy and fast. |
| 16:14.02 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Put a kettle on? |
| 16:16.30 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: http://store.steampowered.com/app/3590/ it'll sign you up for steam when you buy it |
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| 16:17.01 | Aqua | i gotta find my steam account one of these days |
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| 16:18.13 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, you're such an enabler! :) |
| 16:18.27 | cog|work | i no rite? |
| 16:18.29 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:18.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm addicted to MouseHunt on facebook, I blame Ackis for that one. |
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| 16:20.35 | cog|work | train... |
| 16:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | car.... |
| 16:20.42 | cog|work | TV... |
| 16:20.44 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:20.52 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Lunessa. |
| 16:20.57 | Lunessa | Hi folks. |
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| 16:22.04 | Seerah | so... what could be a cause of a computer freezing before booting up? The very very first loading screen (where it says press F2 for Setup or F12 for Boot Menu) goes through its thing, then it freezes.... been getting worse and worse, taking more tries to get through :( |
| 16:22.17 | cog|work | bad hardware |
| 16:22.24 | kludg | could it be bad battery? |
| 16:22.29 | bluspacecow | sounds like a failed POST test |
| 16:22.41 | alestane | RAM would be the first thing I'd test. |
| 16:22.43 | Lunessa | Seerah: Memory usually |
| 16:22.48 | bluspacecow | memtest ftw |
| 16:22.57 | bluspacecow | go google it chuck it on a disc |
| 16:22.58 | cog|work | can't run memtest if you can't get past post :P |
| 16:23.07 | bluspacecow | oh hai cogwheel |
| 16:23.12 | bluspacecow | how goes things :D |
| 16:23.18 | cog|work | hai2u :) |
| 16:23.30 | Seerah | would it not show anything if I ran it now, cog|work? |
| 16:23.41 | alestane | Seerah: If you have any other machines that take the same memory, try swapping out half the chips at a time. |
| 16:23.46 | Lunessa | The other thing that I've dealt with that caused that was a 'short' on the mobo. |
| 16:23.48 | cog|work | Seerah: oh you can get past it sometimes... my bad |
| 16:23.58 | bluspacecow | can you get to the Bios ? ie hold um "delete" at start up |
| 16:24.09 | Lunessa | And if it is booted and running now, Memtest FTW |
| 16:24.09 | bluspacecow | some motherboards let you test things in the BIOS |
| 16:24.10 | Seerah | cog|work: yeah... it's just been taking more and more tries. just now, the 6th time was the charm |
| 16:24.56 | cog|work | if it just freezes it really could be anything connected to the mobo. If memtest comes up negative you'll have to do process of elimination. But since it's an intermittent problem, it'll probably be a hair puller |
| 16:25.05 | bluspacecow | <------------------- modifiying his vent settings by altering the values in .ine directly |
| 16:25.07 | Seerah | bluspacecow: dunno... Tried going to the boot menu and it beeped at me, then froze. Tried going to setup and it said "entering setup" or whatever then froze ;) |
| 16:25.16 | bluspacecow | oh dear |
| 16:25.28 | bluspacecow | time to strip that computer down and get a new one |
| 16:25.37 | cog|work | even just taking everything out and putting it back together might fix it for a while |
| 16:25.40 | Seerah | yeah... stupid Dells |
| 16:25.49 | bluspacecow | yeah get rid of zee dust |
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| 16:26.01 | Lunessa | Seerah: How old is it? |
| 16:26.05 | Seerah | dusted it out a month ago when we moved |
| 16:26.07 | Seerah | ummm |
| 16:26.18 | Seerah | 3.5 years? |
| 16:26.33 | Seerah | has new ram in it though |
| 16:26.59 | Seerah | took out 2 of the 4 250MB sticks (stupid Dell) and put in a couple 1GB ones about 2 years ago. |
| 16:27.01 | Lunessa | And a month? Dusting it internally more often is highly recommended, especially since you have pets. |
| 16:27.04 | Seerah | so... newish :p |
| 16:27.26 | Seerah | it's gone much longer than that with no issues, but I know what you're saying :) |
| 16:27.31 | Seerah | I'll try the memtest first |
| 16:27.33 | Seerah | thanks, guys :) |
| 16:28.05 | Industrial | \:D/ #wowuidev, computers and booze |
| 16:28.12 | Seerah | huggles Indie |
| 16:28.24 | Lunessa | I once lost a nearly month old high-end video card because a piece of cat hair got caught in the cooling fan for it and broke it. The card overheated and slagged. |
| 16:28.30 | Industrial | huggles Seerah |
| 16:28.44 | Seerah | >.< |
| 16:28.59 | Seerah | I at least backed up my stuff last night in case something went horribly wrong :) |
| 16:29.07 | Lunessa | Industrial: And other, less savory items. We're all ... freaks and geeks in here (and I say it with love!). |
| 16:29.19 | bluspacecow | lolz industrial |
| 16:29.27 | cog|work | *loves that show* |
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| 16:30.00 | Industrial | I remember #wowi when cairenn got so drunk she couldnt type right, it were words but one letter off on the keyboard, something with mudslides ;P |
| 16:30.20 | Kuchsar | Anyone knows if there is a way to auotmate adding items to your Outbox without clicking them? Through lua/macros ? |
| 16:31.02 | Lunessa | Kuchsar: Adding items to mail is not protected, so yes, it can be scripted. Usually more trouble than it's worth. |
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| 16:31.17 | Shirik_ | frowns at Seerah |
| 16:31.25 | batrick | frowns at Shirik. |
| 16:31.25 | Seerah | ? :( |
| 16:31.40 | Shirik | your computer |
| 16:31.52 | bluspacecow | dang it industrial you just made me snort coffee out my nose |
| 16:31.57 | Industrial | lol |
| 16:32.10 | Seerah | burn? |
| 16:32.16 | bluspacecow | owie |
| 16:32.32 | bluspacecow | leaves to find some handy towel |
| 16:32.41 | Industrial | ;\ |
| 16:32.51 | Kuchsar | How would I go about it? Using PickupBagFromSlot() and then ClickSendMailItemButton and inputting correct ID? |
| 16:33.13 | Kraps | why buy a game you'll get bored of after you finish? be like me and pirate em! |
| 16:33.56 | Kraps | er "borrow" like nev said |
| 16:34.34 | cog|work | Kraps: as far as fun/$, $10 for Plants vs. Zombies is a much better deal than going to a movie |
| 16:34.34 | nevcairiel | I do buy them if i like them |
| 16:34.43 | Industrial | because the cool dudes that make the game you love deserve it? |
| 16:35.23 | Lunessa | Kuchsar: Looks like the right API to me. |
| 16:35.32 | Industrial | I recently bought starcraft 1 because I've been playing it a lot lately |
| 16:35.46 | Kuchsar | Cool, thanks for the info Lunessa. I'm a complete lua/wow addon noob, never wrote any.. I'd like to start now though. |
| 16:36.02 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.06 | Lunessa | =) even |
| 16:36.12 | Kraps | cog|work: thats what i have wow for :D |
| 16:36.16 | alestane | Ahh! Cyclops! |
| 16:36.19 | Kuchsar | I'll start working and see what I can come up with. :) |
| 16:36.58 | Lukian | <cog|work> Kraps: as far as fun/$, $10 for Plants vs. Zombies is a much better deal than going to a movie <- I also compare my game purchases to entertainment from a movie :p |
| 16:37.29 | Kraps | Industrial: can you buy SC1 on steam or similar? |
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| 16:37.38 | Industrial | Kraps: nah |
| 16:37.49 | Lunessa | So do I. It's why many games fail to arrive home with me. $50 is a crappy value for something I'll play for 2-3 hours. |
| 16:38.16 | durcyn | starcraft should be available through the blizzard store for electronic delivery via battle.net |
| 16:38.24 | kludg | u can go to like 20 movies on a tuesday for that much. |
| 16:38.29 | Industrial | I think theres sites that only sell CD keys but that defeats the purpose for me (the money going to the game makers) but its sold in lots of shops |
| 16:38.31 | durcyn | unless you meant something else by 'SC1' |
| 16:38.37 | bluspacecow | and food and softdrinks via intravenous drip |
| 16:38.39 | Industrial | you might even be able to buy it online throught blizzard/battle.net, dunno |
| 16:38.45 | Industrial | -t |
| 16:38.46 | Lukian | kludg, maybe if you live in the middle of nowhere :> |
| 16:38.48 | durcyn | Industrial: yes |
| 16:38.52 | Kraps | i'll try that |
| 16:39.42 | kludg | yah i do and they dont know how to run the projector either. |
| 16:39.56 | kludg | usually 10 20% of the light is on the curtains on the borders. |
| 16:40.01 | kludg | kind of annoying |
| 16:40.57 | kludg | i think one time they were showing an imax cuz the projection was like2x the height of the screen but it wasnt that distorted |
| 16:42.36 | Lunessa | bluspacecow: Nah, I don't want them on IV drip. Carrying the bag-stand just ruins the whole image. |
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| 16:43.09 | cog|work | kludg: i had projection duties when i worked at a movie theater. I was excruciatingly anal about getting my framing right, and i get extremely irked when watching movies that aren't. |
| 16:44.05 | Lunessa | Okies, off to work. Back in 30-45 minutes. |
| 16:44.10 | *** part/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 16:44.13 | bluspacecow | 30 mins ? |
| 16:44.26 | bluspacecow | she can get her whole work day done in 30 mins ? |
| 16:44.42 | durcyn | lunessa's a dude, dude. |
| 16:44.49 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 16:44.55 | bluspacecow | wow i fail |
| 16:45.02 | Industrial | everyone has that |
| 16:47.10 | kludg | cool cog |
| 16:48.14 | Kraps | bluspacecow: do you play a male bluspacecow or a female bluspacecow? |
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| 16:48.43 | bluspacecow | im a guy IRL who likes staring at a female draenei mage butt all day |
| 16:48.48 | alestane | If it's the one from the forums, female. |
| 16:49.30 | Kraps | im a guy IRL who likes staring at a female draenei butt all day |
| 16:50.22 | Kraps | any female draenei butt |
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| 16:50.36 | Seerah | round? |
| 16:50.37 | durcyn | s/draenei// |
| 16:50.55 | bluspacecow | quite partial for any cute shaped butt tbh |
| 16:51.00 | bluspacecow | male or female |
| 16:51.03 | msou| | ZorbaBeta: ping |
| 16:51.55 | Shirik | sigh |
| 16:51.58 | msou| | could someone kindly pass that link to zorba when he gets on? I rarely come here lately |
| 16:52.00 | Shirik | C# is very strange |
| 16:52.02 | msou| | http://pastebin.com/m5cb0cd23 |
| 16:52.16 | bluspacecow | s/that/this// |
| 16:52.19 | Shirik | error CS1935 (paraphrased): To use this keyword, you have to include another library |
| 16:52.29 | Shirik | wtf is a keyword that requires a library to be included |
| 16:52.30 | bluspacecow | alrighty |
| 16:52.40 | bluspacecow | does purl have a message service ? |
| 16:52.50 | Seerah | botmail |
| 16:52.55 | Kraps | bluspacecow: dual wielding enhances the /waggle |
| 16:53.17 | bluspacecow | ~bluspacecow |
| 16:53.38 | Cide- | Shirik: "The second table in this topic lists the contextual keywords in C#. Contextual keywords have special meaning only in a limited program context and can be used as identifiers outside that context. Generally, as new keywords are added to the C# language, they are added as contextual keywords in order to avoid breaking programs written in earlier versions." |
| 16:53.41 | Cide- | most likely? |
| 16:54.08 | Shirik | This sounds like a good time for me to go off on another rant |
| 16:54.12 | Cide- | yes |
| 16:54.18 | Shirik | wtf is a contextual keyword |
| 16:54.20 | amro | sounds like a good time for you to use a real language |
| 16:54.27 | Seerah | bluspacecow: type /msg purl help botmail |
| 16:54.27 | Cide- | "Some contextual keywords, such as partial and where, have special meanings in two or more contexts." |
| 16:54.28 | bluspacecow | maybe you could try some percusive persuasion with a kg of Bacon ? |
| 16:54.31 | Shirik | keywords should be keywords or not |
| 16:54.36 | Shirik | not "sometimes" |
| 16:54.40 | Cide- | "A contextual keyword is used to provide a specific meaning in the code, but it is not a reserved word in C#" |
| 16:54.43 | msou| | bbl |
| 16:54.59 | Shirik | I know what it is |
| 16:54.59 | Shirik | I'm just saying it's broken |
| 16:55.04 | Shirik | C# is literally littered with these things |
| 16:55.14 | Cide- | yes |
| 16:55.15 | Seerah | ie, Shirik's just bitching |
| 16:55.18 | Cide- | <Shirik> wtf is a contextual keyword |
| 16:55.19 | Cide- | fail |
| 16:55.27 | Shirik | i.e., it shouldn't exist |
| 16:56.23 | bluspacecow | kk msou lodged a botmail with mr ZorbaBeta |
| 16:56.47 | Shirik | there's a lot of cool things in C# |
| 16:56.55 | Shirik | but there's also a lot of bad things too |
| 16:57.02 | Shirik | the language is way too inconsistent with itself |
| 16:57.51 | zenzelezz | must be based on the English language |
| 16:57.51 | Seerah | hehe |
| 16:57.51 | Shirik | Microsoft + English |
| 16:57.51 | Shirik | = C# |
| 16:58.30 | Shirik | I still haven't seen anything quite like Java's "useless keywords" though |
| 16:58.48 | Shirik | at least everything in C# has a use, in theory |
| 16:59.49 | Seerah | but is it use*ful*? ;) |
| 17:00.50 | Shirik | well some of it is redundant |
| 17:01.02 | Shirik | but still, at least there's no keywords which are designed to create errors, like java |
| 17:01.09 | bluspacecow | fu |
| 17:01.35 | Seerah | turret's? |
| 17:07.02 | durcyn | tourette's |
| 17:07.14 | bluspacecow | mu |
| 17:07.15 | Seerah | danke, durcyn ;) |
| 17:07.36 | Seerah | I knew I had spelt it wrong, though I probably will again next time :) |
| 17:08.59 | durcyn | it's okay, just yell an obscenity afterwards and people will know what you mean |
| 17:09.20 | bluspacecow | was talking about mu |
| 17:09.26 | bluspacecow | the concept of neither yes or no |
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| 17:10.35 | Torhal | bluspacecow: I'm pretty sure that's idontfuckingknow, not mu. |
| 17:10.39 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:10.43 | bluspacecow | rofls |
| 17:10.52 | cog|work | http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101859 (probably oldnews to some of you but still !) |
| 17:10.53 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple Lunessa |
| 17:10.54 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Lunessa quite well, and hands Lunessa to lopeppeppy |
| 17:10.59 | Seerah | Torhal: I thought it was meh |
| 17:11.12 | Torhal | Seerah: That's the polite, yet indifferent version. |
| 17:11.17 | bluspacecow | ~lick Cog |
| 17:11.18 | purl | ACTION licks Cog *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 17:11.26 | Lunessa | China - such a choice country. |
| 17:11.46 | cog|work | reaches for his towell |
| 17:12.00 | bluspacecow | *runs* |
| 17:12.19 | cog|work | ha... i meant to wipe off purl's slime |
| 17:12.30 | Torhal | Meh. PTR == Painful, Torturous, Ruinous. |
| 17:12.32 | Seerah | memtest is 75% done with no errors so far.... starting to look like I'm going to get to take things apart :p |
| 17:12.51 | cog|work | though now that you mention it... i accidentally gave someone a 3" black and blue mark with a towell once... I wasn't even trying to swing it at him >< |
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| 17:13.07 | Seerah | did you have rocks in your towel?... |
| 17:13.18 | cog|work | nope. just the whip effect |
| 17:13.27 | Torhal | Seerah: cog's just that powerful. |
| 17:13.29 | Seerah | stays away from cog |
| 17:13.42 | cog|work | that's the thing... i was just waving it casually. |
| 17:13.44 | cog|work | physics 4tl |
| 17:13.57 | Seerah | poor Mrs. Cog |
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| 17:14.04 | Torhal | ...wow |
| 17:14.09 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 17:14.15 | cog|work | lol this was years before i met Mrs. cog |
| 17:14.17 | bluspacecow | theres a Mrs Cog ? |
| 17:14.48 | Seerah | but of course. there go your plans of running off into the sunset.... |
| 17:15.28 | Kirov | there are sunsets in space? |
| 17:15.39 | Seerah | sure |
| 17:15.46 | bluspacecow | yeag seerah :( |
| 17:15.58 | bluspacecow | no running off into the sunset with the cogster for this one |
| 17:18.10 | Lopeppeppy | Mrs. Cog doesn't allow runnings-off, I tried to steal her myself, no luck. |
| 17:19.21 | bluspacecow | i meant mr cogwheel |
| 17:19.43 | Torhal | bluspacecow: They don't care. |
| 17:19.47 | Torhal | They meant Mrs. |
| 17:19.48 | Torhal | :D |
| 17:20.11 | Lopeppeppy | Either one. I think there's some sort of torsion bandana that keeps them from being led to a black hole. |
| 17:20.25 | amro | bluspacecow: you could always try a sprocket |
| 17:20.33 | Lopeppeppy | is the onlyest Sprocket!!! |
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| 17:23.13 | bluspacecow | kk i need sleep gus bai bai |
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| 17:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | Apparently does not want me. *sniff, sniff* |
| 17:24.09 | Seerah | cuddles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah lurvs me, I'll do okay in the world. |
| 17:27.15 | Lunessa | muses on the delicious imagery of Seerah/Lopeppeppy cudles. |
| 17:27.28 | Lunessa | and a bucket of parfait. |
| 17:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | Don't know nobody don't like no parfait. |
| 17:29.24 | Lunessa | Right you are. |
| 17:29.33 | Lunessa | Parfaits are /delicious/. |
| 17:31.20 | Seerah | mmm |
| 17:31.48 | cog|work | so... Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland looks like it should be full of win |
| 17:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | Looks damn scary to me. :) |
| 17:32.46 | Seerah | I plan on seeing it when it comes out |
| 17:32.52 | Lunessa | Alice in Wonderland SHOULD be scary. |
| 17:33.01 | Lopeppeppy | I hope to as well, it looks like a nice acid trip. :) |
| 17:33.09 | cog|work | hence the ":)" i'm assuming ;) |
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| 17:34.25 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, acid like The Yellow Submarine. |
| 17:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, a severe weather alert for tonight. |
| 17:38.48 | nicoli_s | the yellow submarine was acid? man i should have kept that toy! |
| 17:39.48 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Scary as in, he may have talked to American McGee when making it? :) |
| 17:40.20 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know an American Magee. I know Mister Magoo. |
| 17:41.05 | kd3 | ahahaha.... fark: "Public Works misspell "school" on crossing near a school. Scohol may have been involved [Florida]" |
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| 17:44.55 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Back around 1999/2000 there was a game called "American McGee's Alice" |
| 17:45.05 | Torhal | Scary Alice in Wonderland thinger. |
| 17:45.18 | nevcairiel | I played that, was kinda cool |
| 17:45.22 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. |
| 17:45.23 | Torhal | Yah |
| 17:45.36 | Lopeppeppy | I like dark gothic versions of classic tales, they make me giggle in bad ways. |
| 17:45.59 | Dewin | As I recall (though I've never actually read it), the original Alice in Wonderland book was quite dark wasn't it? |
| 17:46.32 | nicoli_s | the images they releases so far for alice looks pretty creepy |
| 17:46.37 | nicoli_s | especially the queen |
| 17:46.47 | nevcairiel | I only knew the disney movie |
| 17:46.52 | nevcairiel | :) |
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| 17:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | The original had some weird elements to it, but it was a children's book, unlike the Grimm's Fairy Tales stuff. |
| 17:49.25 | nicoli_s | but the guy who wrote it was super creepy |
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| 17:51.38 | Lunessa | the Penny Arcade boys joked about American McGee's inability to do anything other than make spooky games about children's stories. They spoofed it with a Gothic/Dom/Lesbian/Horror Strawberry Shortcake and had to pull it down with the trademark owners threatened to sue. |
| 17:52.42 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 17:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | Goth Lesbian Strawberry Shortcake. o.O |
| 17:53.29 | kd3 | oh geez, memories |
| 17:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://the-trukstop.com/articles/2007/images/penny_arcade/01_lg.png <-- said comic |
| 17:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | note: it IS what Lunessa described |
| 17:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | ROFL! |
| 17:54.37 | Lunessa | sbo - I'm glad you knew where to find it! |
| 17:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Google. |
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| 17:55.55 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: It's deliciously funny. And I think it highlights an entirely new market for children's toys... |
| 17:56.09 | Lopeppeppy | But her riding crop is floppy, that's no good. *innocent* |
| 17:56.19 | kd3 | ! |
| 17:56.23 | Seerah | wow |
| 17:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | You look and see! :P |
| 17:56.43 | krka | indeed, floppy is rarely good, i've been told |
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| 17:57.06 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 17:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 17:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple! |
| 17:57.33 | kd3 | ponders driving over to his parents' to see how 'floppy' the riding crops are they use for the horses... |
| 17:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... |
| 17:58.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 17:58.14 | kd3 | >.> |
| 17:58.29 | kd3 | looks for more beer |
| 17:58.37 | kd3 | good thing I've got a few consecutive days off |
| 17:58.59 | Lunessa | kd3: Indeed. Time to indulge in beer, and whatever you want with riding crops. |
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| 18:15.26 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9fFOelpE_8 >< |
| 18:16.48 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: haha brilliant |
| 18:17.06 | cog|work | I know ;) |
| 18:24.28 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I wish I'd realized you'd never seen that before. |
| 18:24.54 | Lopeppeppy | You has more treats? |
| 18:25.16 | Lopeppeppy | This is my weather, going to hit here in about 2 hours tops... http://twitpic.com/8v956 |
| 18:25.34 | alestane | The Starwberry Shortcake one, if I'd know that was news I would have totally passed that one. |
| 18:25.37 | alestane | on* |
| 18:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | You should show me all giggly gothic perversions of childhood icons, alestane, by default. Toggle swtich to on. |
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| 18:27.40 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: amsterdam! thats where I live! .. but on the other side of the planet ;p |
| 18:28.12 | Lunessa | cog|work: Shave and get drunk! |
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| 18:28.29 | alestane | That does appear to be evil weather on the way. |
| 18:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | Indie, go a centimeter above that I-90 sign, draw a line due east, and you'll be in my area. It will be vile here about the time I head home. |
| 18:30.48 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/supreme-court-serves-up-remote-recording-victory/ |
| 18:30.54 | KarlKFI | what is this "weather" you speak of? |
| 18:31.07 | KarlKFI | you mean when the clouds cover up the sun? |
| 18:32.09 | KarlKFI | is in full summer mode: Shorts Enabled. |
| 18:32.10 | Lopeppeppy | Why yes, Karl, the stuff that you'd need a jacket for, exactly. |
| 18:32.22 | Kraps | KarlKFI: are there no clouds on your planet? |
| 18:33.08 | KarlKFI | nah, usually the scy just goes from blue to grey/overcast and back. |
| 18:33.42 | Kraps | wheres that? |
| 18:33.48 | KarlKFI | so cal |
| 18:34.17 | Kraps | ah |
| 18:34.33 | KarlKFI | some times we steal some white puffies from the surrounding states, but only occationally. |
| 18:34.34 | cog|work | those strawberry stockings are hawt ;) |
| 18:34.38 | cog|work | (late reply) |
| 18:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 18:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | What were *you* doing in the meantime, Cog? *peers* |
| 18:35.37 | KarlKFI | (peppy has those in her drawer) |
| 18:35.41 | cog|work | points at his status nick |
| 18:35.42 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | Karl, I look awful in red, mine would be black with strawberries, not red. |
| 18:36.13 | amro | anyone know a good java docs site (like cppreference)? every search pulls up a different site |
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| 18:36.34 | KarlKFI | lol? |
| 18:36.41 | KarlKFI | you dotn liek the sun site? |
| 18:36.55 | KarlKFI | best docs in the industry... |
| 18:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/ |
| 18:37.03 | Lunessa | ... stockings... I'm wondering if I'm going to need to NSFW this channel. |
| 18:37.20 | alestane | Sun Microsystems maintains a pretty comprehensive, one might even say definitive, Java docs site. |
| 18:37.32 | alestane | Lunessa: Stockings are NSFW? |
| 18:37.46 | Lunessa | No, but I can see where this is going. :) |
| 18:38.15 | Lopeppeppy | is gonna be innocent and sweet now. |
| 18:38.27 | alestane | and stuff |
| 18:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I'm sensing more self-assertion |
| 18:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm? |
| 18:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "I AM innocent, I AM innocent, I AM innocent..." |
| 18:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | *I* am innocent. I *am* innocent. I am *innocent*. Three similar statements that mean so many other things, depending on which word is most important. |
| 18:39.59 | cog|work | I am not guilty <.< >.> |
| 18:40.05 | Cairenn | stockings? like these? http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?c=01&SKW=apparel+lingerie&SKW2=&TKW=&Scat=Y&GEN1=Lingerie&OR=&parent=&T1=P9039&PageNo=2&pos=7 |
| 18:40.12 | alestane | Every other day, every other day every other day of the week is FI-INE, ye-eahh... |
| 18:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: like these: http://the-trukstop.com/articles/2007/images/penny_arcade/01_lg.png |
| 18:40.52 | Cairenn | I like the boots (although not the colour), but I like the stockings I linked better ;) |
| 18:40.52 | amro | ScytheBlade1: thanks, though looks like /javaee/6/docs/api is what I needed |
| 18:41.28 | Kraps | firefox/chatzilla slows this computer to a crawling crawl :( |
| 18:41.56 | KarlKFI | is that slower than a runnign crawl? |
| 18:42.00 | cog|work | lern2ssh+screen+irssi ;) |
| 18:42.05 | KarlKFI | or a crawling run? |
| 18:42.38 | Lunessa | Cairenn: You're a woman after my own kinks. |
| 18:42.42 | alestane | Cairenn: I may need to wait on showing Kat that link until we're not flat broke. |
| 18:42.52 | Cairenn | wants a pair |
| 18:43.01 | cog|work | volunteers to help lace... |
| 18:43.12 | Cairenn | *dws* |
| 18:43.31 | Lunessa | Cairenn: You need several pair. The first couple won't servive the husband seeing them the first time. |
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| 18:43.39 | Cairenn | true that ;) |
| 18:43.45 | KarlKFI | Driving While Suspended? |
| 18:43.56 | cog|work | Diffusing-wave spectroscopy imo |
| 18:43.57 | Cairenn | pokes KarlKFI |
| 18:44.10 | Cairenn | you know very well what that acronym stands for |
| 18:44.15 | cog|work | doesn't |
| 18:44.22 | Cairenn | my very own patented "deliciously wicked smile" |
| 18:44.24 | KarlKFI | Decline of Western Civilization? |
| 18:44.34 | cog|work | KarlKFI: are you looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWS too? |
| 18:44.40 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 18:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: I was... |
| 18:44.47 | Lunessa | Cairenn is the Decline of Western Civilization ... in stockings and a wicked smile. |
| 18:44.48 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 18:44.53 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well if it's going to go anyway, what a way to go :P |
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| 18:45.42 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Die happy. |
| 18:46.44 | alestane | I think I can still make it to Blizzcon, but I should probably buy my tickets before something else costs me the money. |
| 18:47.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, get those plane tickets now, boyo. |
| 18:48.12 | Cairenn | you're going to make it alestane? \o/ |
| 18:48.42 | alestane | As long as Karl (or someone else) doesn't mind putting me up again, I think I can just swing the plane tickets. |
| 18:48.50 | KarlKFI | i can |
| 18:49.14 | Kraps | this marvel of modern technology has 129,328 KB of RAM |
| 18:49.49 | alestane | Besides, Lunessa says he's going to be there this year! |
| 18:49.50 | Lunessa | alestane: WOO! |
| 18:50.12 | Cairenn | Lunessa is going to be there too? \o/ |
| 18:50.17 | Lunessa | I'm driving out - leaving after work on Sat. Aug 15. |
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| 18:50.33 | Cairenn | yay for meeting more ui peoples! |
| 18:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: come take a ~500 mile detour and pick me up, too |
| 18:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: also, I need a ticket |
| 18:51.04 | nicoli_s | when is blizzcon again? |
| 18:51.05 | KarlKFI | smacks sbo |
| 18:51.10 | Lunessa | SBO - can't help you on the ticket. Where are you? |
| 18:51.13 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: or you can! |
| 18:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: SLC, UT |
| 18:51.31 | Cairenn | aug 21 & 22 |
| 18:51.31 | KarlKFI | Unreal Tournament? |
| 18:51.32 | Lunessa | That's more than 500 miles. |
| 18:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ew.. my sympathies. |
| 18:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite possibly, yes |
| 18:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I was guestimating the difference |
| 18:51.50 | Lopeppeppy | misses Lunessa already |
| 18:51.54 | Lunessa | I'm taking I-10 across Texas. |
| 18:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I forgot just how far south you were |
| 18:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 18:52.17 | Lunessa | If it were /only/ 500 miles, then maybe. |
| 18:52.30 | KarlKFI | uh huh |
| 18:52.37 | Lunessa | But you would have to wear the dress. |
| 18:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure if I had the money to find a ticket, I'd have the money to get there too |
| 18:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just whining |
| 18:52.48 | KarlKFI | sbo, jsut get a big catapult |
| 18:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | and um, er. what? |
| 18:53.13 | NightHawkTheSane | pray for a safe landing? |
| 18:53.15 | Lopeppeppy | FLY, you fool! |
| 18:53.21 | NightHawkTheSane | get a few pillows, too? |
| 18:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: an option. I have a friend who is doing his physics degree, going to start grad school after the next semester. I'd let him figure the logistics out |
| 18:54.04 | KarlKFI | [Parachute Cloak] imo |
| 18:54.13 | Lunessa | I need to book a cheap ass hotel. |
| 18:54.24 | alestane | If you cocooned yourself up in a pile of pillows, how large would it have to be for you to survive the impact from Utah? |
| 18:54.24 | KarlKFI | sleep in your car |
| 18:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | a cheap ass-hotel? that sounds not comfortable. |
| 18:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: ignoring the x and y change, and going with just the z... *large* |
| 18:54.59 | KarlKFI | it's usually less comfortable for the ass-hotel, NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:55.15 | NightHawkTheSane | touché |
| 18:56.12 | Cairenn | Lunessa: do the same as others have done other years - find someone else that is going, and go halves on a room - cheaper for both of you :) |
| 18:56.16 | Lunessa | Yeah, I'm thinking Motel 6 is not far from the Convention Center and that $45/night is a decent deal. |
| 18:56.36 | Lunessa | That's a good idea too Cairenn. :) |
| 18:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: bam, there you have it. Get me a ticket and I'll split the room with you! |
| 18:56.58 | Lunessa | Haha.. my knees still hurt from getting MY ticket. |
| 18:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 18:57.05 | KarlKFI | >.< |
| 18:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | knows the deal, and now is scared to death! |
| 18:57.23 | KarlKFI | knee pads imo |
| 18:57.29 | Cairenn | I never get that option, since I can't exactly share a room with the majority of the UI community without it raising eyebrows :p |
| 18:57.41 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Bah - I'm harmless. |
| 18:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: Just like -everyone- else here! |
| 18:57.59 | Kraps | lulz franchising |
| 18:58.03 | Kraps | er |
| 18:58.03 | Lunessa | I can only vouch for ME. |
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| 18:58.17 | Kraps | fraternizing |
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| 18:59.33 | KarlKFI | eyebrows were meant for raising, imo |
| 18:59.52 | KarlKFI | tries desperately to stop saying imo |
| 19:00.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:00.15 | Cairenn | you've been hanging around jnwhiteh too much, imo |
| 19:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: I'd apologize for that, but I'm only so sorry (I can blame dheg too, right?) |
| 19:00.40 | KarlKFI | damn them all imo |
| 19:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, if I were going I'd share a room with you! Or Lunessa for that matter. |
| 19:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | I guess I just dare them all to raise eyebrows. |
| 19:00.54 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:01.02 | Lunessa | raises an eyebrow. |
| 19:01.21 | nicoli_s | raises one up and one down |
| 19:01.21 | Lunessa | has been practicing the Spock trick for a decade. |
| 19:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | For that, you are uninvited to share the room that I'm not going to have for the con I'm not going to! |
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| 19:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. posted on my old (old) guild forums: "Also, I haven't tried the cow penis yet. YET. Cow penis." |
| 19:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | wtfs |
| 19:01.46 | KarlKFI | does trhe eyebrow rol |
| 19:02.03 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, people eat anything. |
| 19:02.05 | KarlKFI | imos |
| 19:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'd try it, if it were prepared and not deadly. |
| 19:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You're braver than I |
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| 19:02.50 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: awwww. |
| 19:03.11 | Kraps | how many can a tauren one serve? |
| 19:03.20 | KarlKFI | peppy would take cow penis? |
| 19:03.26 | KarlKFI | hides |
| 19:03.30 | alestane | Hmm, Harmonix is hiring a UI programmer. |
| 19:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... extrapolating, I'd say 2-5 adults, depending on portion size. |
| 19:03.37 | Lopeppeppy | What is a Harmonix? |
| 19:03.45 | KarlKFI | electric harmonica |
| 19:03.50 | alestane | THey made Rock Band. |
| 19:03.53 | KarlKFI | imo |
| 19:04.01 | alestane | And they're in Cambridge. |
| 19:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | You applies now. |
| 19:05.01 | Kraps | NYS senate sucks btw |
| 19:05.09 | Lopeppeppy | For serious, I'd like to go fire them all. |
| 19:05.17 | Lopeppeppy | As in, lock them into the building and set it on fire. Jerks. |
| 19:05.23 | Kraps | fails is a better word |
| 19:05.26 | alestane | What did they do this time? |
| 19:05.33 | Kraps | nothing |
| 19:05.38 | Lopeppeppy | That's the friggin' problem. |
| 19:05.43 | NightHawkTheSane | is this still the "lock ourselves in the capital" thing? |
| 19:05.51 | alestane | What should they have done? |
| 19:05.51 | Lopeppeppy | They're so obsessed with waving their political penises that they're not doing the work. |
| 19:06.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, pass bills, law stuff... you know, their friggin' jobs. |
| 19:06.16 | Silversage | Someone please shoot me. |
| 19:06.21 | Aqua | Ok, this is driving me mad, anyone have C# experience? |
| 19:06.26 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: srsly, thats what wow is for (penis waving) |
| 19:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | Can you tell that New Yorkers are a little angry? |
| 19:06.46 | nicoli_s | Aqua: i do |
| 19:07.06 | Aqua | give me a second and let me put something up on pastey, I want someone else's viewpoints |
| 19:07.07 | Cairenn | hands Silversage a gun |
| 19:07.17 | nicoli_s | roger |
| 19:07.28 | End | Cairenn: I think he wanted you to do the shooting |
| 19:07.41 | nicoli_s | so Cairenn: what was the game you enjoyed the most at the fan faire? |
| 19:07.52 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: I wasn't at FF |
| 19:08.03 | nicoli_s | ahh, saw yer on vacation thought thats whar you went |
| 19:08.16 | Lunessa | Nah, she went to Italy. |
| 19:08.17 | Cairenn | that was my trip to Italy! |
| 19:08.21 | nicoli_s | ahh awesome |
| 19:08.24 | Lunessa | And .. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/butler_court/ |
| 19:08.30 | Cairenn | still can't believe I got to go! |
| 19:08.38 | nicoli_s | my mom took a 3 month trip to italy for cooking classes a few years ago and loved it |
| 19:09.24 | Cairenn | 3 months? lucky lady |
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| 19:09.49 | kd3 | whee. airfare purchased... now to find a hotel |
| 19:09.59 | nicoli_s | well at the time she was the head of dining services for this university, and she milked them for what they were worth :P |
| 19:10.06 | Cairenn | tacklehugs kd3 |
| 19:10.36 | Lopeppeppy | kd3 -- talk to Lunessa!! |
| 19:11.07 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 19:11.09 | Lunessa | kd3: *chuckle* Yeah, I need to find one too. That I can split. :) |
| 19:11.51 | Kraps | i'm so jealous of you guys |
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| 19:12.45 | Kraps | i will buy the net stream though |
| 19:13.00 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. :) |
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| 19:13.44 | Lunessa | I'm planing to visit many friends while I'm in that neck of the woods. :) CA is a nice place to visit. Too bad living there sucked. |
| 19:14.19 | nicoli_s | what part of CA lunessA? |
| 19:14.28 | Lunessa | I grew up in LA. |
| 19:14.33 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: you live in ny? |
| 19:14.35 | nicoli_s | like id love to live in san fran, but not till i get more money |
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| 19:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, yes. |
| 19:15.04 | Lunessa | I like SF - but I'm not sure I could handle living there - Not unless I was very well off. |
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| 19:16.44 | nicoli_s | i was just about to live in sf last year but our office moved :( but on the positive side, i probably would have ended up living in a hotel for like 6 months while i save up to get an apt |
| 19:18.26 | Kraps | whats wrong with living in a hotel? |
| 19:18.28 | Kraps | :p |
| 19:18.49 | Lunessa | I was in SF for like 6 months in the 80s - not far from the UN Plaza in an extended stay place for a corporate gig. It was alright but seriously living the way I would want in SF would require a lot of money. |
| 19:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 19:19.45 | nicoli_s | Kraps: im used to a relativly spacious 3 bedroom house with a gf and 3 kitties |
| 19:19.50 | nicoli_s | would not work out too well in a hotel :P |
| 19:20.06 | Kraps | right... |
| 19:20.38 | NightHawkTheSane | *smirk* i <3 john gruber.. "I don’t post many video clips to Daring Fireball, but henceforth, when I do, it’ll be with the <video> tag. IE users can suck it." |
| 19:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | It's me sir. Ed Gruberman? |
| 19:21.31 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: whos that? |
| 19:21.40 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Boot to the head. |
| 19:21.41 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: It is wrong to tip the vessel of knowledge, student. |
| 19:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | daringfireball.net |
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| 19:31.04 | Lunessa | IE users can suck it. |
| 19:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | So sayeth I, and so sayeth we all! |
| 19:32.07 | alestane | Have you learned nothing from the lesson of Ed Gruberman, child? |
| 19:32.07 | alestane | Yes, master, I have learned two things. First, that anger is a weapon to wielded only by one's opponent. |
| 19:32.07 | alestane | Very good. |
| 19:32.08 | alestane | And second, Get in the first shot. *Boot to the head* |
| 19:32.10 | Torhal | Frak IE. |
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| 19:32.24 | Fisker | IE is the best browser out there |
| 19:32.38 | alestane | At least it is if you ask Microsfoft. |
| 19:32.41 | zenzelezz | ouch, Fisker is stuck in 1997 |
| 19:32.47 | Lunessa | alestane: The Franitcs ruled. They had some AWESOME bits. |
| 19:33.10 | Fisker | Usage statistics paint the story |
| 19:33.11 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 19:33.27 | Torhal | Fisker: Statistically, you're evil. |
| 19:33.29 | alestane | Up...mist...floating...clouds...where am I? |
| 19:33.30 | alestane | Welcome, stranger, to the pearly gates. |
| 19:33.30 | alestane | I'M IN HEAVEN! |
| 19:33.30 | alestane | No, you're at the pearly gates. |
| 19:33.31 | Torhal | ~Fisker++ |
| 19:33.40 | Fisker | fuck yeah Torhal |
| 19:33.44 | Industrial | with the motherfucking window paint! |
| 19:36.12 | Cide | re: ctmud |
| 19:36.43 | Cide | http://pastey.net/116905 -- thoughts? |
| 19:38.34 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe use a slash instead of a + to separate the two attacks? (7 / 8)? *shrug* the + seems to be more like the latter modifying the former. |
| 19:39.44 | Cide | do you prefer that or the two lines approach? |
| 19:39.54 | Cide | slash or no slash |
| 19:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | the two lines is more confusing unless you specify which hand is which. |
| 19:40.41 | Cide | what about spam? |
| 19:41.20 | NightHawkTheSane | its hard to say how bad the spam would be without really seeing it in action. It might not be -too- bad if lines aren't generated that fast |
| 19:41.30 | Lunessa | Its not so bad fried and served with mustard... |
| 19:41.55 | Lopeppeppy | Two lines gets *extremely* spammy in long hard fights, IMO |
| 19:42.23 | Lunessa | Yeah, option 1. for me really. |
| 19:42.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: well, i've done muds where the combat was "slow" paced enough it wasn't so bad. |
| 19:43.21 | Lunessa | I can't imagine how spammy it would be on something like Patchwerk as an example. |
| 19:43.48 | NightHawkTheSane | wow's a very fast-paced game, though. |
| 19:44.41 | NeoTron | remember the good old days of dikumuds |
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| 19:44.48 | NeoTron | I had this smart mud client that could move from point A to D where I had a path from A to B, B to C, C to D |
| 19:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | but, that said, i do prefer the one line approach for a single ability usage |
| 19:45.04 | NeoTron | and in diku's movement was almost instant so it was near teleport :P |
| 19:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: yeah, i had a similar client, it was awesome :) |
| 19:45.16 | durcyn | i played a smaug mud right up until wow came out, fights basically consisted of spamming healing potions until you won |
| 19:45.33 | NightHawkTheSane | you could program in waypoints, and directions between waypoints, pretty much being able to move from anywhere to anywhere |
| 19:45.47 | durcyn | NHTS: hence mazes with shifting deathtraps =P |
| 19:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed ;) |
| 19:53.32 | NeoTron | a friend made a hypercube dungeons |
| 19:53.45 | NeoTron | in an LPMUD. it was essentially infinite (generated rooms) |
| 19:53.55 | NeoTron | I think it has millions of possible rooms. rather evil |
| 19:54.10 | NeoTron | and you can imagine a 4-dimensional dungeon having fun directions too... |
| 19:54.54 | alestane | Redwise and Bluewise? |
| 19:55.13 | Lopeppeppy | Bud. Wise. Er. |
| 19:55.55 | Lunessa | uploads a beer for Lopeppeppy |
| 19:56.08 | cog|work | ribbits |
| 19:58.28 | Fisker | so what do you guys think of Blizzard being touched in places (Which they showed me on a bear) by pirates? |
| 19:59.01 | Thunder_Child | seems fine to me |
| 19:59.24 | Industrial | hehe firefox using 450MiB RAM |
| 19:59.35 | Thunder_Child | is that it? |
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| 20:03.03 | Industrial | 208 tabs |
| 20:03.05 | Industrial | hm |
| 20:03.06 | Industrial | MOAR |
| 20:03.30 | KarlKFI | anyone know how to get the progress or estimated time of a large sql query (view, multi-join) |
| 20:03.39 | zenzelezz | Industrial: sounds like an average porn session |
| 20:04.11 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, go open up the D3 pages, that will hurt it some more |
| 20:04.31 | Industrial | zenzelezz: it does doesn't it |
| 20:07.08 | amro | http://amro.pastey.net/116909 <- the connection sometimes dies at line 13 after reading only one line, any idea what could be wrong? |
| 20:08.08 | zenzelezz | did you ask the exception what it think it was thrown for? |
| 20:08.35 | amro | Connection reset from the server |
| 20:09.52 | zenzelezz | what is the one line it manages to read in those cases? |
| 20:10.11 | amro | HTTP/1.0 200 OK |
| 20:10.37 | amro | I keep requesting the exact same page, sometimes it works sometimes not |
| 20:13.34 | amro | is there a better way to read from the socket? I don't like this readline business |
| 20:13.53 | amro | wtb recv |
| 20:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | doesn't want to be read. |
| 20:15.49 | alestane | reads Lopeppeppy. |
| 20:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | amro: you could just use the read()? |
| 20:16.28 | amro | ScytheBlade1: how exactly? I tried reading into a CharBuffer, didn't seem to read anything |
| 20:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/io/BufferedInputStream.html#read() |
| 20:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | and http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/io/InputStream.html#read() |
| 20:18.35 | amro | ScytheBlade1: I'm a total java noob, I don't know how to build a string from bytes |
| 20:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 20:19.49 | Cairenn | man, I'd love to go to this! http://www.houstonsymphony.org/ticket/production.aspx?id=2811&src=t |
| 20:20.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/116910-2hqd is a method I wrote |
| 20:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It assumes that in is an InputStream |
| 20:20.30 | alestane | They came to Boston, I got to take Kat. |
| 20:20.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Only really suitable in some cases, I have no idea how well it'd fare with binary data, if at all |
| 20:21.16 | amro | this is just HTTP serving JSON, I think it'll be fine |
| 20:23.12 | ScytheBlade1 | All that method does is read until it reaches the end of the stream, or a null |
| 20:23.17 | ScytheBlade1 | and returns the result as a String |
| 20:23.28 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Heh, It's local. :P |
| 20:23.35 | Cairenn | cries |
| 20:23.41 | Shirik | hugs Cairenn |
| 20:23.49 | Cairenn | I would LOVE to take my daughter to one of their concerts |
| 20:24.17 | Lunessa | I haven't been to anything this summer. |
| 20:24.27 | amro | ScytheBlade1: do you use eclipse by any chance? |
| 20:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 20:24.34 | nicoli_s | JSON! |
| 20:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | I go home now. TTFN |
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| 20:26.32 | amro | ScytheBlade1: is it laggy when copying for you too, or does it only hate me? |
| 20:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | hates you |
| 20:26.56 | amro | :( |
| 20:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | though I suppose you should define copying |
| 20:27.24 | amro | cut/copy/paste |
| 20:27.33 | amro | when I cut, it removes the text but doesn't copy it to the clipboard |
| 20:27.41 | amro | I have to hit the copy shortcut 10 times or so before it does |
| 20:27.51 | KarlKFI | yes copy/paste is slow on low ram machines |
| 20:27.56 | ScytheBlade1 | nope, it's just as fast as notepad for me |
| 20:28.08 | KarlKFI | in eclipse |
| 20:28.17 | KarlKFI | i had the same problem on my 1GB ram machine |
| 20:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. Though I am blessed with RAM |
| 20:28.24 | amro | I'm on 2G |
| 20:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 2GB and 6GB on my dev machines |
| 20:28.34 | Shirik | continuing my rant about unnecessary features in C# |
| 20:28.37 | Shirik | I just found this jewel http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/9k7k7cf0%28VS.80%29.aspx |
| 20:28.44 | amro | though I really don't see why copying 1 line of text would be laggy |
| 20:29.20 | KarlKFI | prolly cause it's java doing some stupid expensive substring |
| 20:29.47 | nicoli_s | come on shiriki, if you dont use the yield statement at least once a metho,d yer doing it wrong |
| 20:29.49 | KarlKFI | which stores the whole string of the file until the substring is derefrenced. causing GC |
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| 20:30.14 | KarlKFI | just a guess |
| 20:30.21 | amro | ScytheBlade1: I'm getting the same issue with your code (sometimes works sometimes not), so I think the problem is elsewhere |
| 20:30.23 | amro | any thoughts? |
| 20:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like a server issue, or a networking issue |
| 20:32.16 | amro | never happens if I access it on any browser |
| 20:32.32 | amro | though I have an idea |
| 20:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Give wireshark a try to see what's up |
| 20:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That may be overkill, but it's what I do |
| 20:33.03 | amro | yeah, I'll exhaust the other options before poring over raw TCP data ;) |
| 20:33.15 | Vilkku | Poll time! What is your square minimap (if you use one, obviously :P) addon of coice? |
| 20:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. |
| 20:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | YASMM. |
| 20:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I'm biased and no longer update it |
| 20:34.43 | Vilkku | heh :P |
| 20:39.22 | NightHawkTheSane | sexymap :P |
| 20:40.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ... which is why I stopped updating mine |
| 20:40.58 | Fisker | you are a pirate |
| 20:41.20 | KarlKFI | Squeenix |
| 20:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Are there still rare schematics you can get from renewing your goblin/gnome engineering shit? |
| 20:43.37 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, there's one, I believe |
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| 20:43.59 | NightHawkTheSane | the pet i presume? |
| 20:44.01 | ZorbaBeta | note that you can renew it multiple times in a row without waiting for it to expire |
| 20:44.02 | ZorbaBeta | yeah |
| 20:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "Total of 8 processors activated (42758.87 BogoMIPS)." |
| 20:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That's still just neat to see |
| 20:48.38 | Cide | ugh |
| 20:48.43 | Cide | ugly bsod in win7 rc :/ |
| 20:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | :\ |
| 20:48.56 | Cide | fixed now fortunately |
| 20:49.30 | Cide | it uses outdated and buggy networking drivers for my network adapter |
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| 21:02.49 | Shirik | you know, despite the fact that I think C# has too many features |
| 21:02.55 | Shirik | this guy makes a good point |
| 21:02.55 | Shirik | http://blogs.tedneward.com/2005/09/22/Language+Innovation+C+30+Explained.aspx |
| 21:02.58 | Shirik | Read the last paragraph |
| 21:03.23 | Fisker | Shirik you pirate |
| 21:08.01 | Fisker | anyways i'll go to sleep without being logged into b.net |
| 21:08.06 | Fisker | (meaning i'm a dirty pirate) |
| 21:08.45 | cog|work | <3 physics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I |
| 21:09.19 | Fisker | stop being a pirate cog|work :( |
| 21:09.22 | nicoli_s | good ole lambas |
| 21:09.33 | nicoli_s | lamdas* |
| 21:09.56 | cog|work | lambdas? |
| 21:10.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:10.16 | nicoli_s | read the link shirki posted, it explains it |
| 21:10.19 | Fisker | holy shit cog|work |
| 21:10.32 | durcyn | he obviously meant lambas bread from LOTR, don't be obtuse. |
| 21:10.34 | Fisker | i wish they teached that in science class :O |
| 21:10.36 | cog|work | nicoli_s: i was correcting you :P |
| 21:10.57 | cog|work | you got it half right each time ;) |
| 21:11.20 | nicoli_s | oh duh |
| 21:15.21 | Lunessa | cog|work: And too think, friction holds everything together. |
| 21:15.45 | Lunessa | to/too /grammar fail me |
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| 21:17.32 | Lunessa | So far today - rebuild to VMs, reinstall SMS on 3 boxes, generate two user accounts, update the campus media presentation, and answer a crapton of e-mail. I should go home already. |
| 21:17.56 | durcyn | to/too/two, apparently. |
| 21:19.51 | Lunessa | Yeah. I think my brain is rebelling. |
| 21:20.06 | Shirik | nicoli_s: They're fun |
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| 21:23.48 | amro | ScytheBlade1: wireshark says TCP_CHECKSUM_INCORRECT for those packets |
| 21:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | amro: disable TCP checksum offloading on your computer |
| 21:24.27 | ScytheBlade1 | well, on your NIC would be more precise |
| 21:26.11 | amro | ScytheBlade1: this is on lo |
| 21:26.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, that's a new one |
| 21:26.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really quite tricky |
| 21:28.27 | amro | ScytheBlade1: it's showing TCP for protocol (requests from a browser are identified as HTTP) |
| 21:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That depends on what part of the stream it reads |
| 21:29.42 | tekkub | http://denver.craigslist.org/web/1245689743.html |
| 21:29.53 | tekkub | you know what, I DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR YOU ASSHOLE |
| 21:29.59 | tekkub | some people's children |
| 21:30.20 | Kraps | SC has an expansion |
| 21:31.26 | Kraps | and diablo 1 isnt available in the blizz stor :( |
| 21:31.55 | durcyn | the 'starcraft anthology' should include everything |
| 21:32.08 | durcyn | and yeah, they dropped support for warcraft 2 BNE as well, but it's kind of to be expected |
| 21:34.19 | Kraps | eh? the anthology is $14.99 but the expansion by itself is $59.95 |
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| 21:35.13 | durcyn | that's how it showed up when i entered my CD keys |
| 21:35.22 | amro | ScytheBlade1: I'm starting to think it's a problem with the server, it only happens if the response is 200 |
| 21:35.34 | ScytheBlade1 | amro: likely, yes |
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| 21:45.19 | amro | ScytheBlade1: it has something to do with Java though, I'm almost certain of it. I can't reproduce the behavior by any other means, even tried telnet |
| 21:45.44 | amro | is there a socket option perhaps that may be affecting this? |
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| 22:18.09 | msou| | Hmmmm... |
| 22:18.40 | msou| | Is JC a pain in the arse just like BS? About to go and drop BS 264 and start JC |
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| 22:19.55 | NeoTron | it's probably easier but expensive if you buy mats |
| 22:20.05 | NeoTron | especially 250-300 unless they changed that |
| 22:20.40 | msou| | I don't buy mats =) I mean I leveled mining yesterday and already have two scarlet, green, purple and blue |
| 22:20.41 | Codayus | Getting to 300 blows chunks. Post 300 is fairly trivial. |
| 22:20.47 | msou| | the greenies got tons of 'em |
| 22:21.03 | NeoTron | leveling in BC or WotLK isn't that hard |
| 22:21.12 | NeoTron | but have fun farming a literal shitton of thorium |
| 22:21.36 | NeoTron | despite the high cost, it's probably more effective to farm gold at 80 and buy the mats |
| 22:21.37 | msou| | Well, I started a mage and thought of him having JC as a profession just doesn't sound right I suppose "tailoring/skinnig sounds more like it |
| 22:22.23 | msou| | never cared about gold ;) I do 25 dailies everyday and sell stuff I get to a vendor and bought that ring that costs 7800g ;) |
| 22:22.35 | msou| | oh which reminds me |
| 22:22.46 | msou| | which helmet is better for a dk |
| 22:23.03 | msou| | helm of the unsubmissive or |
| 22:23.11 | msou| | that heroes scourgeborne |
| 22:23.31 | msou| | more hit rating less critical strike though with unsub.... |
| 22:23.39 | msou| | don't know what's dk hit cap |
| 22:24.46 | NeoTron | I'm somewhat tempted to, hold on to this one, change my main to be an engineer |
| 22:25.03 | msou| | oh yeah thought of that too =) |
| 22:25.21 | msou| | dunno what an engineer can make except the hog which you can sell for 16000g |
| 22:25.45 | NeoTron | well I'm thinking post 3.2 changes of course |
| 22:26.29 | msou| | aw |
| 22:26.54 | msou| | dunno much about 3.2 to be truthful... I just heard you can trade heroism for conquest or valor something like that which is nice |
| 22:27.12 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.2.0 |
| 22:27.12 | KarlKFI | main hand hit cap is 8% |
| 22:27.12 | kd3 | it's all there |
| 22:27.39 | msou| | mine is 10.77 hit rating |
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| 22:28.35 | msou| | need a better wep and dunno about my stats if they are /good/bad |
| 22:29.30 | NeoTron | msou|: you can't up-trade badges |
| 22:29.43 | NeoTron | but everything that now gives heroism or valor badges will give conquest badges |
| 22:29.51 | msou| | ohhh |
| 22:30.08 | msou| | so just do heroics and collect conquest to buy crtain things |
| 22:31.59 | msou| | Wish I have a lvl 80 mage |
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| 22:38.08 | Thunder_Child | i hope the new system asks you if you wish to extend the raid lockout |
| 22:38.18 | Thunder_Child | otherwise raid leaders can really fuck you up |
| 22:38.25 | jaxdahl | you can undo it |
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| 22:40.15 | KarlKFI | what!? rogues with one-handed axes oh my |
| 22:40.49 | KarlKFI | if you wanted to use axes you shoulda rolled a warrior :P |
| 22:41.14 | NightHawkTheSane | its less for the rogues than it is for the sanity of item designers ;) |
| 22:41.18 | myrkraverk | I'm making a simple blp viewer (yes, another one) and there doesn't seem to be any jpeg one in wow (or, not in the ui the addonkit extracts) -- is there an example one one the 'net? |
| 22:41.20 | msou| | wanted to suggest that axe from tournament but it is for tankers :/ |
| 22:41.50 | nicoli_s | myrkraverk, good luck |
| 22:42.16 | myrkraverk | nicoli_s, ;) I already have a hello world screen, with a dxt5 decompressed one ;) |
| 22:42.18 | nicoli_s | my blp viewer works pretty good except with some weird cases with some textures for models, misreads the alpha channel |
| 22:42.32 | myrkraverk | ;) |
| 22:43.29 | myrkraverk | nicoli_s, what compression method is used for those textures? |
| 22:44.16 | nicoli_s | i think it might be dxt5 myrkraverk |
| 22:44.23 | myrkraverk | ok |
| 22:44.29 | nicoli_s | i dunno though, havent fucked with it in a while |
| 22:44.35 | nicoli_s | what language are you using? |
| 22:45.12 | myrkraverk | squish, the library I use to decompress, has the alpha channel in the wrong place for my UI toolkit, so I have to move it, from argb to rgba |
| 22:45.18 | myrkraverk | C++, squish, and Qt |
| 22:45.20 | KarlKFI | oh nifty. the sacred shield HoT is cool |
| 22:45.31 | KarlKFI | "When a paladin casts Flash of Light on a target with this buff, they also now place a heal over time effect on the target, healing that target for 100% of the Flash of Light amount over 12 seconds. " |
| 22:46.00 | myrkraverk | ;) |
| 22:46.13 | Thunder_Child | no more ret KarlKFI? |
| 22:46.25 | nicoli_s | cool cool, well let me know about your progress myrkraverk, if you get it to a state where it can convert over all the models, i can switch my system to use it(if you release if of course) |
| 22:46.40 | KarlKFI | Sacred Shield isn't a tallent TC |
| 22:46.48 | KarlKFI | lvl 80 spell |
| 22:47.04 | KarlKFI | plus my pvp spec has the improved tallent from prot |
| 22:47.30 | myrkraverk | nicoli_s, what do you mean by "convert over all the models" ? |
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| 22:47.52 | KarlKFI | i sacred shield myself allt he time in arena. now when i art of war insta flash myself it'll do double healing |
| 22:47.56 | Thunder_Child | heh KarlKFI, so do i, i just never looked at it |
| 22:48.00 | nicoli_s | err textures |
| 22:48.11 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 22:48.18 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, do you happen to remember what dps you did at 70? |
| 22:48.22 | myrkraverk | nicoli_s, ;-D |
| 22:48.34 | KarlKFI | not off the top of my head. i might have a SS at home |
| 22:49.01 | myrkraverk | nicoli_s, I'm actually thinking of making it a gimp plugin too (though I don't know what to do with the different mipmaps) |
| 22:49.01 | KarlKFI | why? |
| 22:49.41 | Thunder_Child | just curious if i am managing to stay afloat on dps |
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| 22:50.05 | KarlKFI | any numbers i would have would be in BT or sunwell in all epics |
| 22:50.11 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 22:50.37 | KarlKFI | or maybe some of the earlier raid isntances |
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| 22:51.11 | KarlKFI | but i've been playign this char for 4 years, so i dont have TBC lvl 70 numbers |
| 22:51.20 | KarlKFI | er... WLK |
| 22:52.07 | KarlKFI | got any idea how command dmg compares to Seal of Vengeance on the PTR? |
| 22:52.56 | Thunder_Child | havent been there yet |
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| 22:53.43 | KarlKFI | i'm doign absolutely nothign at work, it's pathetic |
| 22:54.09 | KarlKFI | project's wrappign up, waiting on my coworker to finish her parts |
| 22:54.42 | KarlKFI | i could some of her work, but she's slow as hell and hasn't been doign anything, so i'll make her sweat instead |
| 22:54.44 | Lunessa | I need a vacation. |
| 22:56.25 | KarlKFI | wait a second... |
| 22:56.33 | KarlKFI | the map is getting Quest Tip icons? |
| 22:56.39 | KarlKFI | wow |
| 22:59.21 | Pneumatus | its largely incomplete at the moment though |
| 22:59.34 | Pneumatus | i did the nelf starting zone and less than half of the quests had worldmap tips |
| 23:02.04 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: you're a bit behind, aren't you? ;) |
| 23:02.27 | KarlKFI | yeah. i only read the pally part the first time around |
| 23:02.28 | Thunder_Child | (it's ok, we all know he is slow( |
| 23:02.37 | Thunder_Child | s/(/)/ |
| 23:02.44 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 23:03.12 | KarlKFI | hmmm, so the command glyph now gives mana back... |
| 23:03.37 | KarlKFI | but i guess the vengence one still gives exp |
| 23:04.20 | KarlKFI | oh well. i guess i did need another glyph slot... |
| 23:05.06 | bleeter | oO someone broke wikipedia? |
| 23:05.13 | bleeter | (Cannot contact the database server: Unknown error (10.0.6.24)) |
| 23:05.28 | KarlKFI | works here |
| 23:06.38 | bleeter | some articles seem broken |
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| 23:06.42 | bleeter | eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Epsom |
| 23:06.54 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros |
| 23:07.09 | durcyn | would someone kindly ban the private server spammer from -commits, please. |
| 23:07.18 | amro | bleeter: first didn't work, second works |
| 23:09.03 | bleeter | amro: cheers, glad it's not just me :) |
| 23:09.19 | amro | I suspect the db is down, and the other article was served through cache |
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| 23:10.04 | bleeter | yup |
| 23:15.27 | kd3 | ! |
| 23:15.30 | kd3 | checks wikipedia-l |
| 23:17.12 | bleeter | oO IT WUZ KD3 WUT DID GONE DUN BROAK IT!!! |
| 23:17.43 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.46 | bleeter | bwhahahaha |
| 23:18.17 | bleeter | seems to be going again now, tho |
| 23:18.29 | amro | php :'( |
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| 23:23.47 | kd3 | whoa... how'd I miss that? rogues get 1-h axes now? |
| 23:23.49 | kd3 | ponders |
| 23:25.11 | End | good question |
| 23:25.15 | End | how the hell did you miss that? |
| 23:25.19 | End | :P |
| 23:26.22 | amro | ScytheBlade1: worked around it by simply retrying if the exception is raised... ugly but works all the time now |
| 23:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | amro: ... VERY ugly |
| 23:27.04 | amro | yeah, but I'm not wasting another minute on this shit |
| 23:27.15 | amro | this is just a hack so I don't have to configure gwt with another server |
| 23:27.25 | amro | and so that I don't have to change anything in the code when deploying |
| 23:30.36 | ReAn | LOL |
| 23:30.40 | ReAn | minion exploded on me |
| 23:30.45 | ReAn | and that was hillarious |
| 23:31.34 | ReAn | that's one of the most interesting explosions ever >_> |
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| 23:49.01 | Jamash | Iis there a way to tell programmatically that a given spellbook entry is a totem? |
| 23:49.24 | kd3 | there's a new api call for determining whether a spell is a totem... |
| 23:49.30 | kd3 | double-checks |
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| 23:51.34 | kd3 | it's all in MultiCastActionBarFrame.* |
| 23:51.42 | Jamash | Thanks, I'll take a look |
| 23:56.33 | ccox | >>And here I thought "minion" was just Cairenn's pet name for Shirik |
| 23:56.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:56.46 | Cairenn | *dws* |
| 23:57.01 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 23:57.42 | Thunder_Child | more of a fact than a pet name |
| 23:57.59 | ccox | Thunder_Child: exactly |
| 23:58.04 | Seerah | :) |
| 23:58.20 | Cairenn | whispers, "it's actually more Dolby's than Shirik's, shhhh" |
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| 23:59.14 | ccox | yeah, but Dolby doesn't blush nearly as well |
| 23:59.22 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 23:59.24 | Shirik | I need mirc at work |
| 23:59.29 | Shirik | so I know when I don't have to switch to this window |
| 23:59.31 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes you fo |
| 23:59.44 | ccox | and Minion has Shirik's name all over it |
