| 00:00.13 | chris_s | I'd like to see the minimum UI scale be lower than 0.64 |
| 00:01.04 | chris_s | UIParent:SetScale() works for now, but doesn't save ... larger monitor are becoming more commonplace so it seems reasonable to me |
| 00:01.44 | End | The ui or suggestion forums I guess? Although you could write an AddOn to do it, I'd imagine. |
| 00:02.55 | chris_s | i've added a common on my addon, and I can have it run at start up ... but if a window is moved to a position that is offscreen at normal scale, it will get moved on load before the scale is "fixed" |
| 00:03.06 | chris_s | added a command* |
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| 00:30.02 | foxlit | grumble. wtb direct media version of http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/base/users/googletechtalks/uploads |
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| 00:42.18 | Wobin | aha |
| 00:42.26 | Wobin | pulling with MD as a Marksman hunter |
| 00:42.30 | Wobin | I was using aimed shot |
| 00:42.37 | Wobin | that's where I went wrong |
| 00:43.36 | Wobin | also |
| 00:43.38 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/the-spite-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel/2144 |
| 00:43.47 | Wobin | how is that not cause for justifiable homicide? |
| 00:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: it SHOULD be |
| 00:44.38 | Corrodias | it may count as a form of assault |
| 00:44.44 | Wobin | I honestly would have placed that torch somewhere where the light has never been seen. |
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| 01:42.42 | Shirik|AFK | Iriel: ping |
| 01:43.06 | Shirik|AFK | do you happen to know if cameras store the focal length when you take a shot? |
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| 01:57.10 | Cidan | Shirik|AFK: Some do |
| 01:57.25 | Cidan | Shirik|AFK: AFAIK, most all do now-a-days |
| 02:06.42 | amro | can someone on IE7 check if tooltips are working on http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=67841.0 |
| 02:09.25 | jnwhiteh | Shirik|AFK: its in my EXIF data most times |
| 02:09.32 | jnwhiteh | on my SLR |
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| 03:07.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i love blizzard posters.. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/18031137387-old-blizzcon-footage-and-new-coliseum.html |
| 03:09.13 | Seerah | lol |
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| 03:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.savagechickens.com/2009/06/the-narcissist-test.html |
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| 03:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> we just did razorscale. I did 25% of all the healing, twice as much as the next healer. |
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| 04:19.35 | ZorbaBeta | we just did thorim |
| 04:19.43 | ZorbaBeta | it took four tries because we kept accidentally putting it into hard mode |
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| 04:25.04 | Dewin | ZorbaBeta: There are raids that wish they had your problem |
| 04:25.34 | ZorbaBeta | dewin, in fairness, the second time we didn't put it into hard mode, we just failed miserably. and just before that we spent two hours wiping on hodir |
| 04:26.05 | Dewin | I have the misfortune of going from a raid that considered those bosses 'easy' to 4 different raids that all glasschew on both fights |
| 04:26.14 | ZorbaBeta | ugh |
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| 04:26.17 | Dewin | And... all four raids managed to hit the same bosses at the same time |
| 04:26.37 | Dewin | so I did an entire week of glasschewing Hodir, and as soon as we get it down I get to glasschew some more |
| 04:27.15 | ZorbaBeta | that does not sound fun :P |
| 04:27.20 | Dewin | Probably going to take a break from one of the 10mans and possibly one of the 25s. |
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| 04:27.28 | ZorbaBeta | my guild just hit yogg-saron 25man |
| 04:27.35 | ZorbaBeta | it'll be interesting to see how well we do |
| 04:29.04 | Dewin | My guild (which no longer raids) defeated Mimiron... once |
| 04:29.10 | Dewin | So we got 3 attempts at Vazex and never again |
| 04:29.16 | ZorbaBeta | ouch, that sucks |
| 04:29.36 | ZorbaBeta | we were actually worried that our mimiron kill was a fluke, we got it the day after we got Freya for the first time |
| 04:29.44 | ZorbaBeta | and then the week after that we barely got through Thorim |
| 04:30.11 | Dewin | yeah, I knew our Mimi was a "we just got lucky after spending 1.5 days glasschewing it" kill |
| 04:31.14 | ZorbaBeta | it seems we've actually figured it out, we got everything before Vezax in two days this week, and Vezax on the third day. tons of wiping on yoggy on Monday :D |
| 04:32.09 | Dewin | My current raids... only one has reached Mimi |
| 04:32.20 | Dewin | and our issues are keeping the tanks alive during Phase 1, of all things |
| 04:32.44 | ZorbaBeta | cooldown rotation doesn't help? |
| 04:32.54 | Dewin | We're not neccessarily losing them on that |
| 04:33.10 | Dewin | It's not our only problem, we lose too many people on phase 2 and haven't seen phase 3 enough to get used to it. |
| 04:34.02 | ZorbaBeta | phase 2 is brutal, that was the one we had trouble with also |
| 04:34.19 | Dewin | Phase 2 is a healer check. |
| 04:34.21 | ZorbaBeta | assuming you're avoiding laser barrage, it's just a horrible healer test |
| 04:34.26 | ZorbaBeta | yeah |
| 04:34.30 | Dewin | and a "stay out of the red circles" test. |
| 04:34.43 | ZorbaBeta | we started doing a soulwell at the beginning and telling everyone to use it during phase 2. Not sure how much it helped ;) |
| 04:35.43 | Dewin | Well |
| 04:35.49 | Dewin | The group I have that actually makes it to Mimiron |
| 04:35.51 | Dewin | has no warlocks |
| 04:36.01 | Dewin | which hurts. |
| 04:36.10 | Dewin | My other groups are on my mage, who can't healthstone anyways. |
| 04:36.47 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I can see how that'd be a problem. we need a better class distribution also. we need a dps warrior |
| 04:37.09 | Dewin | That was one advantage to our guild's class distribution |
| 04:38.02 | Dewin | for 10man, we had: tank druid, tank warrior, holy paladin, resto druid, disc priest, warlock, mage, DK, rogue, and I think a dps warrior |
| 04:38.14 | Dewin | oh, no, retadin |
| 04:38.35 | Dewin | very good setup |
| 04:39.01 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's not bad |
| 04:39.28 | Dewin | Actually, I forget exactly what the classes are, since I know we had a shaman in there too. |
| 04:39.37 | Dewin | the DPS were the only ones who really changed. |
| 04:39.40 | ZorbaBeta | we've got three prot warriors and a prot paladin. though we've finally found a dk tank, and one of the warriors is switching to arms |
| 04:41.12 | Dewin | Still find it interesting that one of my 25 mans has no locks though |
| 04:41.28 | ZorbaBeta | our guild has about half a dozen warlocks |
| 04:41.33 | ZorbaBeta | somehow, we've never gone raiding with more than one at a time |
| 04:41.41 | Syzgyn | My guild is down to 1 raiding rogue |
| 04:41.46 | ZorbaBeta | it confuses us all, including the warlocks. |
| 04:42.32 | Dewin | The annoying thing is I'd rather bring my mage to that 25 man than the other one, but it has 4 mages already. |
| 04:42.34 | Syzgyn | well, warlocks are easily confused anyway |
| 04:43.06 | Syzgyn | How many 25mans are you running? |
| 04:50.58 | tem | OH MAN |
| 04:51.05 | tem | Firefighter is intense |
| 04:51.46 | Syzgyn | Yep |
| 04:52.36 | tem | we haven't made it to phase 2 with no deaths yet |
| 04:53.02 | Syzgyn | In 10man we made it to P2 a few times |
| 04:53.31 | Syzgyn | It's rough though |
| 05:06.49 | tem | man |
| 05:06.54 | tem | nearly out of p2 with no deaths |
| 05:06.56 | sylvanaar | any of you remember the name of the addon that let you target people by clicking their blips on the minimap? |
| 05:06.57 | Thunder_Child | what alliance dock takes you to howling fjord? |
| 05:07.01 | tem | and then BOOM everyone splat |
| 05:07.17 | Hjalte | Thunder_Child: Menethiel |
| 05:08.07 | Thunder_Child | ty Hjalte |
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| 05:32.51 | tem | woot phase 3 |
| 05:33.01 | tem | oh god it's so chaotic |
| 05:33.47 | Wobin | isn't it =( |
| 05:34.04 | tem | so many mobs |
| 05:34.23 | Fisker | phase 3 in what? |
| 05:35.25 | tem | firefighter |
| 05:35.35 | Fisker | oh |
| 05:36.05 | tem | made it there with no deaths |
| 05:36.12 | tem | and it went badly |
| 05:36.27 | Fisker | i want you badly |
| 05:36.28 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 05:38.50 | Stanzilla | p3 was really hard before the nerf :( |
| 05:39.12 | Fisker | i'm pretty hard |
| 05:39.20 | Stanzilla | in your pants? |
| 05:39.32 | Fisker | yes |
| 05:41.11 | Thunder_Child | so...tootsie roll in a blanket? |
| 05:51.48 | tem | phase 3 under control |
| 05:51.53 | tem | ... and people need to leave |
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| 07:58.19 | Crucifor1er | I am trying to see exactly how big a subframe is within a parent frame. I am doing: local ttt = sframe:CreateTexture (nil, "BACKGROUND"); sframe:SetAllPoints (ttt); ttt:Settexture (0.5, 0.5, 0.5) |
| 07:58.35 | Crucifor1er | its not working. I have done this before and I know I am forgetting somthing but I cant remember what. |
| 07:59.29 | Cruciformer | (and in teh code I spelled SetTexture correctly. |
| 07:59.54 | zenzelezz | in what way is it not working? |
| 08:00.13 | Cruciformer | I see nothing. I expect to see a grey blob the size of the frame |
| 08:01.10 | zenzelezz | you're sure the frame is shown and on-screen? |
| 08:01.26 | Cruciformer | let me make 100% sure by doing that to teh parent frame which I can see |
| 08:02.11 | Hjalte | Regional finals: http://eu.blizzard.com/rf09/index.xml (I hate missing it myself, figured some of you might feel the same) |
| 08:02.49 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: when I change it to the parent frame, it makes it all black for some reason |
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| 08:03.27 | Cruciformer | I've done this tons of times to make sure a frame is positioned and sized correctly and I know I am forgetting someething and I cant figure what. |
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| 08:04.10 | zenzelezz | perhaps you should pastey a larger fragment of code (like subframe creation and stuff) |
| 08:04.33 | Cruciformer | www.pastey.com right? |
| 08:05.08 | airtonix | http://pastey.net/ |
| 08:05.18 | airtonix | or pastebin.com |
| 08:05.31 | Cruciformer | ty |
| 08:05.34 | airtonix | or anyother paste-type-service you can find in google |
| 08:05.43 | airtonix | github hs them its called gists |
| 08:05.50 | airtonix | http://gist.github.com/ |
| 08:07.01 | Cruciformer | http://www.pastey.net/116768 |
| 08:12.56 | zenzelezz | it's a bit early in the morning still, so be wary of listening to me, but shouldn't that last SetAllPoints be reversed? ttt:SetAllPoints(sframe)? |
| 08:13.16 | nevcairiel | it should |
| 08:13.47 | Cruciformer | that was it, tyvm |
| 08:14.19 | Cruciformer | I just woke up so the wetware hasnt warmed up yet :) |
| 08:17.32 | Caellian | Could anyone take a quick look at http://caellian.pastey.net/116730 and tell me why 143-152 just won't work, i've been staring at this for over an hour :x |
| 08:18.10 | nevcairiel | Did you :EnableMouse on the frame? |
| 08:18.46 | Caellian | i did after the pastey yeah, but that didn't help |
| 08:21.18 | Caellian | doesn't make sense |
| 08:22.33 | Cruciformer | weird. If I "fill" the parent background it is the right size, but if I "fill" that child frame it is much too "tall". I thought anchoring topleft and bottomleft to the parnt and setting the width would work. Tres odd. |
| 08:26.31 | Cruciformer | can you see anything wrong with my anchoring? |
| 08:28.40 | Cruciformer | ah aside from teh fact that I miss-spelled coadminds for the bottomleft anchor. doh. |
| 08:29.50 | Cruciformer | one of these days I should really learn how to type accurately. |
| 08:32.57 | Arrowmaster | im fucking hungry and theres nothing to eat as a middle of the night snack except cheese balls |
| 08:33.16 | Cruciformer | cheese balls are yummy |
| 08:33.40 | Arrowmaster | hmm theyre starting to go stale, just barely i think |
| 08:34.37 | bleeter | someone please slap me if i'm wrong, but imac g3's are 32bit yes? (need to know for linux distro download) |
| 08:35.16 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: if they dont have more than 1 month's worth of penicilin on them they're not stale :) |
| 08:35.31 | Fisker | anyone here got an us and eu account on a single battle.net login |
| 08:35.56 | nevcairiel | bleeter: 32bit ppc |
| 08:36.50 | bleeter | nevcairiel: cheers, thanks mate :) thought as much, just wanted to be 100% certain before starting the rsync of the distro ;) |
| 08:37.15 | nevcairiel | Are there even 64bit ppcs? |
| 08:37.29 | Caellian | so no one spotted something obvious i'm missing in the pastey above then ? |
| 08:37.45 | nevcairiel | ah there are, in the G5 |
| 08:37.48 | bleeter | dunno, never an architecture I bothered with until this iMac fell into my lap |
| 08:37.52 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: yeah there are |
| 08:38.24 | bleeter | last generation jellybean style imac... just to mess around with woots |
| 08:38.29 | Cruciformer | Caellian: I stared at it for a while and nothing popped out at me. |
| 08:38.54 | Caellian | it's weird, really |
| 08:39.17 | Cruciformer | are you sure the cript is even being called? did you put a print at the top? |
| 08:39.23 | Cruciformer | thats my first line of defense. |
| 08:39.44 | Caellian | i did, and it's not being called, which makes it even more weird |
| 08:41.05 | Cruciformer | can u repost the pastey Its scrolled up and Im on screen so I cant scroll back |
| 08:41.07 | Caellian | sure, give me a sec |
| 08:41.34 | Caellian | http://caellian.pastey.net/116770 |
| 08:42.10 | Caellian | everything's fine, just not 143-153 |
| 08:44.15 | Fisker | jnwhiteh ! |
| 08:45.35 | Cruciformer | Caellian: Inthe one frame I have that uses OnEnter(), I have box:SetAutoFocus (false); box:EnableMouse (true); box:EnableKeyboard (true) |
| 08:45.54 | Cruciformer | Caellian: try doing that for shits n giggles. |
| 08:46.12 | Cruciformer | at least see if you can get the script to be called and make sure your print is being run |
| 08:51.42 | haste | Caellian: you never setpoint it |
| 08:51.56 | Caellian | the panel ? |
| 08:52.05 | haste | the main one with the onenter |
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| 08:52.14 | Caellian | it is, above, at line, 24 |
| 08:52.23 | Cruciformer | Caellian: where do you ever set the size of the frame too? |
| 08:52.29 | haste | Caellian: that's not the same frame |
| 08:52.39 | haste | caelPanels ~= panels[1] |
| 08:53.00 | Cruciformer | Caellian: your OnEnter is for caelPanels, which is only every CreateFrame()'ed ... not sized or positioned. |
| 08:53.01 | haste | panels[1] doesn't have a OnEnter |
| 08:53.05 | nevcairiel | yeah, your main pangel has no size |
| 08:53.11 | nevcairiel | thus its not visible on the screen |
| 08:53.18 | Cruciformer | s/every/ever/ |
| 08:53.30 | Caellian | it's not supposed to, the OnEnter is supposed to work on the panels |
| 08:53.40 | nevcairiel | then you didnt do it right =P |
| 08:53.41 | haste | then you have to set it on the panels |
| 08:53.46 | haste | and not the hidden frame |
| 08:53.48 | Cruciformer | but teh panels parent is UIparent |
| 08:54.08 | haste | that doesn't matter |
| 08:54.30 | Cruciformer | caelPanels is "invisible" so it will never get the mouse to trigger OnEnter. |
| 08:54.33 | Fisker | haste |
| 08:54.34 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 08:54.34 | haste | the onenter will never run because the frame is never shown/positioned and the visible frame don't have a onenter |
| 08:54.52 | haste | velter Fisker. |
| 08:55.05 | haste | puts up his Fisker shield. |
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| 08:57.59 | Caellian | you mean it should be something like this then http://caellian.pastey.net/116771 ? |
| 08:58.43 | haste | pretty much, but why iterate if you are checking the number? |
| 08:59.20 | Caellian | it's just to test if it works, later on it will be affecting more than just one panel |
| 09:00.12 | Caellian | but, how do i get this to be run now :x |
| 09:00.23 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 09:00.30 | Fisker | got an us and eu account on a battle.net login? |
| 09:00.40 | haste | nope =/ |
| 09:00.55 | Cruciformer | why not handle it in CreatePanel? |
| 09:01.06 | Fisker | then you suck |
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| 09:01.24 | Caellian | because it's on PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 09:01.29 | Caellian | so only run once |
| 09:01.29 | bleeter | nevcairiel: pangel sounds like a great addon name looknig for some code lol |
| 09:01.33 | Caellian | well i guess it wouldn't work |
| 09:01.34 | haste | oh hey |
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| 09:01.37 | haste | the damn log-in worksn ow |
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| 09:02.27 | Fisker | hmm |
| 09:02.28 | Cruciformer | anyone using / used the alpha of ora3? |
| 09:02.32 | Fisker | i wonder what event day of the dead is |
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| 09:03.07 | Caellian | <Cruciformer> nevermind, i think it's working, let's see |
| 09:04.06 | Caellian | yes it does, thanks haste, and everyone |
| 09:07.38 | Cruciformer | mmmm Grendel is good music to code to. |
| 09:08.17 | Cruciformer | not as good as DJ tiesto but still good. |
| 09:10.21 | haste | I mostly code to IDM |
| 09:10.37 | haste | or Wisp |
| 09:10.43 | haste | it depends slightly on the mood |
| 09:13.39 | Arrowmaster | oh end of that dvd time to switch in disc 2 |
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| 09:16.08 | Cruciformer | IDM? I know not. |
| 09:16.14 | Cruciformer | what type of music? |
| 09:16.44 | haste | it's intelligent dance music |
| 09:16.49 | haste | quite broad genre tho' |
| 09:17.27 | Cruciformer | I like dance music in general if its trance/industrial/ebm type dance music not that r&b shit |
| 09:17.34 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZROXilFoMA&fmt=18 is IDM |
| 09:17.50 | haste | and wisp :3 |
| 09:19.29 | Cruciformer | sounds like what juno reactor would sound like if they played an atari 2600 :) |
| 09:19.29 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20T04HOosQ&fmt=18 also idm |
| 09:20.14 | haste | wisp has quite a SIDish sound |
| 09:20.30 | Cruciformer | god I remember SID and Agnes with fondness. |
| 09:20.38 | haste | some of it is very alien also |
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| 09:20.58 | Cruciformer | do u know / like Juno Reactor? |
| 09:21.13 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pZCUrmVbU&fmt=18 |
| 09:21.26 | haste | I used to listen to Juno reactor a couple of years ago |
| 09:21.37 | ReAn` | juno reactor = win |
| 09:21.47 | haste | that reminds me tho' |
| 09:22.09 | Cruciformer | ReAn`: them and vnv nation I can always listen to |
| 09:22.28 | Cruciformer | and DJ tiesto of course, he's still my fave trance/dance music |
| 09:22.29 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-duqsCFXxc&fmt=18 was a epic coding DVD back in 2007 |
| 09:22.40 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHVUQEvqSDM&fmt=18 trailer :3 |
| 09:22.51 | Cruciformer | I like this Memoria by totakeke |
| 09:23.14 | haste | I guess you've heard BT |
| 09:23.34 | Cruciformer | not sure I have |
| 09:23.51 | haste | Brian Transeau :D ? |
| 09:24.07 | Cruciformer | No sir. |
| 09:24.07 | haste | aka the father of trance :p |
| 09:24.24 | haste | he released this binary universe in 2007 |
| 09:24.32 | haste | which without a doubt was the best electronic CD of that year |
| 09:24.41 | Cruciformer | I woulda thought robert miles wa the father of trance |
| 09:25.29 | Arrowmaster | ive been lucky enough to see dj tiesto live |
| 09:25.47 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: Im a bit envious :) Where? |
| 09:26.12 | Cruciformer | I missed a chance to see him in LA, I was mad |
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| 09:26.20 | Arrowmaster | boston new years a few years ago |
| 09:26.54 | Cruciformer | I still think his "Just Be" CD is one of the single most listenable electronica cd's ive ever heard. I never ever get bored of it. |
| 09:27.22 | Cruciformer | haste: that BT thing you posted reminds me a lot of Vangelis. |
| 09:28.21 | Cruciformer | and I absolutely LOVE Vangelis and Jean Micehl Jarre. Old-school electronica, back in teh days when it was called "new age" |
| 09:28.41 | Ackis | I read Vangelis and thought it was something women get |
| 09:28.45 | Cruciformer | vangelis was highly innovative. |
| 09:29.04 | Cruciformer | Ackis: I think a lot of women "got" vangelis :) |
| 09:29.44 | Cruciformer | Ackis: If you ever saw Bladerunner ... he did the soundtrack to that. that and chariots of fire is what hes best known for even tho CoF was absolute shite. |
| 09:29.52 | Ackis | ah |
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| 09:32.20 | Ackis | did you know Michael Jackson is dead? |
| 09:32.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:32.39 | Cruciformer | yup |
| 09:32.43 | Ackis | snape killed him |
| 09:32.53 | Ackis | and then he was devoured by spiders |
| 09:32.56 | Cruciformer | heard it may have been food poisoning - they found 8-year old nuts in his mouth. |
| 09:33.29 | Ackis | oh haven't heard that one yet |
| 09:33.36 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: do you miss me during the day now? |
| 09:33.46 | Arrowmaster | you were gone? |
| 09:33.54 | Ackis | ... |
| 09:36.11 | Ackis | why doesnt' bigwigs tell me boss xxx is loaded now btw? |
| 09:43.05 | Cruciformer | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7BX3UwNYQ |
| 09:43.29 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ? |
| 09:45.25 | haste | Cruciformer: sounds like aggrotech D: |
| 09:45.55 | Fisker | jnwhiteh ! |
| 09:46.00 | Fisker | You got an eu and us account right? |
| 09:46.12 | Cruciformer | *shrug* I dont know all these new-fangled classifications. Sounds like good electronica to me :) |
| 09:46.18 | jnwhiteh | my us account has lapsed |
| 09:46.27 | jnwhiteh | since i don't pay/play on it anymore |
| 09:46.39 | Fisker | baw |
| 09:46.52 | Fisker | then i hate you |
| 09:47.22 | Adys | Fisker |
| 09:47.26 | Adys | Where's the EU ptr download? |
| 09:47.38 | Fisker | on the website |
| 09:47.44 | Adys | link it, be useful |
| 09:47.59 | Fisker | http://wow-europe.com/ptr |
| 09:48.19 | Adys | last time i checked it linked 3.1 ptr |
| 09:48.48 | jnwhiteh | 8847 |
| 09:48.48 | Fisker | it does |
| 09:48.50 | nevcairiel | The PTR download will *always* be the 3.0.1 PTR |
| 09:48.50 | jnwhiteh | that's what you need |
| 09:48.52 | jnwhiteh | then you patch |
| 09:48.53 | nevcairiel | You get a Patch then. |
| 09:48.55 | haste | Cruciformer: hehe, I'm one of those who spend too much time investigating music :p |
| 09:48.56 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: until 4.x :P |
| 09:49.01 | Adys | oh you kidding |
| 09:49.02 | Adys | thanks |
| 09:49.37 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: you don't know that! ;) |
| 09:49.47 | jnwhiteh | neither do you, but you're hte one speaking in absolutes :P |
| 09:49.48 | Cruciformer | haste: Ima always on teh lookout for new music as long as its not r&b, jazz or anything even approximating country |
| 09:50.21 | haste | Cruciformer: only one I like of those is jazz :P |
| 09:50.41 | Cruciformer | meh its musical masturbation imho. but tastes differ |
| 09:51.31 | Cruciformer | altho strangely I do like some old bigband stuff and some swing |
| 09:52.33 | Cruciformer | and I adore he squirrel nut zippers whatever they are clasified as |
| 09:55.57 | haste | Cruciformer: I'll agree on the classical jazz, but there are a lot of experimental jazz that's awesmoe |
| 09:56.10 | Fisker | I WAS SWINDLED |
| 09:57.05 | haste | Cruciformer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ldVe4-pdp4&fmt=18 |
| 09:57.48 | Cruciformer | haste: I fully realis that it may be very short-sighted of me but the word "experimental" ina genre makes me shy away from it. If they dont know what they want to do, keep the experiments to themselves imho :) |
| 09:58.37 | haste | Do note that you are talking to a person who enjoys the noise genre :p |
| 09:58.53 | Fisker | haste |
| 09:58.57 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 09:59.12 | Cruciformer | ick no that left me stone cold haste (that link) |
| 09:59.27 | Cruciformer | noise? Like my bloody valentine and stuff like that? |
| 10:00.37 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 10:00.38 | Fisker | 4YFmCAdhdNQ |
| 10:00.42 | Fisker | fuck you google |
| 10:00.43 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YFmCAdhdNQ |
| 10:02.21 | haste | Cruciformer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huCC9jM5qUw&fmt=18 more like this |
| 10:02.28 | Fisker | do it haste |
| 10:02.29 | Fisker | DO IT |
| 10:02.50 | haste | Cruciformer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv-V6umaQgw&fmt=18 |
| 10:03.24 | haste | Fisker: wth :D |
| 10:04.20 | Fisker | :D |
| 10:04.52 | haste | haha |
| 10:05.30 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4NZms6pAsU&fmt=18 - comes ti mind |
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| 10:07.56 | Cruciformer | haste: thats noise alright |
| 10:08.21 | haste | Cruciformer: hehe |
| 10:08.33 | Cruciformer | sounds like someone was wanking his cubase sample library while on some very bad speed |
| 10:09.07 | haste | venetian snares makes music in 7/4 |
| 10:09.20 | haste | so it sounds like it's even more noisy :P |
| 10:09.38 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZspN9-E326U&fmt=18 but he has quite a lot of different styles tho' |
| 10:09.49 | Cruciformer | i need to go listen to pink floyd to recover. they r still my favourite band of all time :) |
| 10:10.10 | haste | last one might work! |
| 10:10.12 | haste | at least in the start :p |
| 10:10.19 | haste | depends on how much you enjoy classical |
| 10:10.45 | Cruciformer | quite a lot. My mom was a concert pianist and I grew up in a very classical household |
| 10:11.09 | Cruciformer | and I play the piano and violin (not well tho) |
| 10:12.28 | haste | I don't know how to play any instrument :( |
| 10:13.07 | haste | the songs slides over to breakcore after a while btw :p |
| 10:13.17 | Cruciformer | yeah I skipped around |
| 10:13.21 | haste | hehe |
| 10:13.21 | Cruciformer | its very ... odd. |
| 10:13.35 | haste | odd time signature and broken up patterns |
| 10:13.37 | Cruciformer | 7/4 is a very odd time signature |
| 10:14.01 | haste | he has something in 19/4 or so also |
| 10:14.31 | haste | I hated most of his discography at the start |
| 10:14.43 | haste | took me around two years before I was able to listen to most of it |
| 10:15.06 | Bruners | haste: you listened to something for two years to try liking it? |
| 10:15.11 | Cruciformer | see I dont get that. To me, music should grab your soul immediately. |
| 10:15.22 | haste | Bruners: no |
| 10:15.30 | haste | he had one song that really grabbed my attention |
| 10:15.41 | haste | then the rest of the album got hold of me |
| 10:15.47 | haste | then another album |
| 10:15.49 | haste | and so on |
| 10:17.06 | Cruciformer | I prefer stuff to grab me more immediately. Like this Grendel that I was introduced to yesterday by Industrial (in this channel). grabbed my attention immediately, and I am loving everything about it. |
| 10:17.36 | Cruciformer | kinda like the first time I heard dire straits or queen or pink floyd ... first time addict. |
| 10:18.45 | Cruciformer | although the first pink floyd song I ever heard was "Hey you" and thats such a brilliantly poignant piece of music its hard not to fall in love with it. |
| 10:19.02 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.11 | haste | that song :) |
| 10:19.28 | Cruciformer | if its "Children" by robert miles Im gonna smack u upside the head |
| 10:19.56 | haste | like nine years ago now |
| 10:20.30 | Cruciformer | this may show my age but what got me into electronica was "Oxygene" by Jean-Michele Jarre |
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| 10:21.05 | Cruciformer | and then I quickly discovered Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Serge Blenner, Yello etc. |
| 10:21.19 | haste | I'm only 21, so I'll blame it on that :) |
| 10:21.32 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember what got me into it but i know it was a long as fucking time ago, way longer than 9 years and i know im younger than either of you |
| 10:22.00 | Cruciformer | im 40 so most people here are younger than me :P |
| 10:22.02 | haste | I was mainly into punk, rock and metal before |
| 10:22.27 | haste | I'm norwegian after all, and black metal was pretty huge during 94 and so on here |
| 10:22.45 | Cruciformer | Yello is absolutely awesome, they were SO far ahead of their time. |
| 10:23.13 | Cruciformer | that amon tobin song has the weirdest video |
| 10:23.21 | haste | yep |
| 10:23.57 | haste | I'm not as "educated" about the artists before my time tho' |
| 10:24.07 | Cruciformer | Personally I consider Yello the fathers of modern trance / electronica. |
| 10:24.08 | haste | neither am I that good at digging through the archives |
| 10:24.28 | Bruners | haste: black metal is still kinda huge |
| 10:24.39 | haste | but then again.. I invest quite a lot of time into new artists and labels |
| 10:24.47 | haste | Bruners: yes, but not the good old black metal |
| 10:24.52 | haste | it's all symphonic now |
| 10:25.19 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvVcK5nhYNo&fmt=18 this is what I think of as black metal |
| 10:25.22 | haste | even though it's folk :D |
| 10:26.57 | Cruciformer | I love this line from yello: "The big bang - the ultimate hero of low frequency. The divine intergalactic bassdrum connecting the tribes of our solar systems." |
| 10:27.32 | haste | hehe |
| 10:28.05 | Cruciformer | esp the "ultimate her of low frequency" ... thats quite brilliant |
| 10:28.17 | Cruciformer | *hero |
| 10:29.04 | Cruciformer | anyway Im gonna ignore irssi now while I fix this damned mod :) |
| 10:29.26 | haste | <3 irssi |
| 10:29.27 | Bruners | haste: symphonic is good :) |
| 10:29.38 | haste | Bruners: yes and no |
| 10:29.43 | Bruners | haste: got any cool must have scripts for irssi ? |
| 10:29.54 | haste | only one I have is highlite |
| 10:29.55 | Bruners | apart from the usual top 5 |
| 10:30.03 | haste | which has highlight in it's own window |
| 10:30.12 | haste | oh, and some stuff I've written for myself :p |
| 10:30.34 | haste | like a hook to prevent WoW words from triggering a highlight and control of my music player |
| 10:31.23 | Bruners | prevent wow words triggering highlight? |
| 10:31.31 | Bruners | using adv_windowlist, chanact, keepnick, screen_away, trackbar, usercount and niq |
| 10:31.34 | nevcairiel | like when people talk about spell haste |
| 10:31.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:31.42 | haste | my nick is haste, I don't really care about people's spell haste discussions :p |
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| 10:31.47 | Bruners | sure you do! |
| 10:31.48 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:32.10 | haste | highlite.pl iihiraito.pl quodlibet.pl sysinfo277-irssi.pl |
| 10:32.14 | haste | is all I have loaded |
| 10:33.49 | Bruners | haste: don't like the heaven speak thing in the middle of that blackmetalish song |
| 10:56.44 | haste | hot coffee > hand :( |
| 11:01.00 | Bruners | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0ze6lLB8t8&feature=related |
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| 11:10.25 | zenzelezz | I wish sometimes Windows would be a little smarter about file names. It boggles me why NTFS supports file- and folder names ending in periods, but the kernel still doesn't |
| 11:10.39 | nevcairiel | It does |
| 11:10.46 | nevcairiel | the Explorer just doesnt let you create them |
| 11:10.56 | nevcairiel | you can create them with some other tool, and then it works fine |
| 11:11.04 | zenzelezz | my XP SP 3 lists them, but it can't delete them |
| 11:11.31 | nevcairiel | well thats still not a kernel thing, either way :D |
| 11:11.33 | zenzelezz | so let me rephrase; maybe not all of the kernel is ignorant of it, but several of the file system operation functions are |
| 11:13.26 | nevcairiel | I don't think i've ever wanted to name a file like that, anyway |
| 11:14.36 | nevcairiel | perdiod at the beginning .. sure, for some control files (explorer refuses to create those, too) |
| 11:14.38 | zenzelezz | by and large I haven't either, but I recently went about reorganizing my MP3s, and it turned out some band/artist/album names ended in a period; so the folders ended up named like that... which was fine on the linux box; and to some degree worked on Windows |
| 11:14.39 | nevcairiel | but at the end? :D |
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| 11:15.21 | nevcairiel | if you try to create one on windows it just ommits the period |
| 11:15.34 | nevcairiel | probably does the same when you try to delete it |
| 11:15.41 | nevcairiel | so it fails because it doesnt find it |
| 11:16.30 | zenzelezz | probably. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation, I just wish Windows would tell me "hey, it looks like you've used a name that I can't access - why don't you go download our POSIX tools to rename it?" instead of "cannot access the specified file" |
| 11:17.02 | zenzelezz | I copied the folders to the Windows machine using cp so I could transfer them to my MP3 player |
| 11:17.16 | zenzelezz | deleting the folders went fine from linux once I realized the problem |
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| 11:23.38 | nevcairiel | windows and verbosity is a known problem |
| 11:24.23 | zenzelezz | I can't really say I blame them, given how dumb people can be: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/06/25/9802453.aspx |
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| 12:21.56 | Wobin | ...Decepticles? |
| 12:22.04 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_-1d9OSdk |
| 12:22.16 | Wobin | I suspect I may avoid watching transformers 2 after all =P |
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| 13:10.50 | Aelobin | anyone know the name of that addon which auto-clicks "Ok" on the bind-on-pickup window |
| 13:10.54 | Aelobin | (when looting) |
| 13:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | Outside of group or raid... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13770-LootWhatIWant.html |
| 13:15.10 | Aelobin | i just found http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/no-bo-pwarning.aspx too :P |
| 13:15.18 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11404-cAutoConfirmLoot.html |
| 13:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | Google fu is your friend. *poke* I just searched "loot" on wowinterface and checked them out one by one. Lazy Aelobin! :) |
| 13:16.03 | Aelobin | i just went through all pages on curse bags/inventory up to page 6 ;) |
| 13:16.11 | Aelobin | *7 |
| 13:16.38 | Aelobin | a loot category might be useful tbh :P |
| 13:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | You can't search by keyword on Curse? |
| 13:17.30 | Lukian | you can, but "enter" defaults to the wrong search box |
| 13:17.36 | Lukian | so you actually have to click "search" |
| 13:17.40 | Lukian | it's so much effort :> |
| 13:19.32 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 13:19.40 | Aelobin | the search aint great on curse imo :P |
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| 13:25.17 | Pneumatus | you can only search by game of chance on curse :< |
| 13:27.33 | Lopeppeppy | Roulette is fun. |
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| 14:05.13 | amro | he looks like brian george |
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| 14:12.28 | Wobin | hm, it does |
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| 16:27.48 | alestane | Anyone know off the top of their head what the bonusbar value is for rogues in shadowdance or warlocks in metamorphosis? |
| 16:28.37 | nevcairiel | rogue is 2 |
| 16:28.49 | nevcairiel | i dont think locks got a bonus bar .. at least i used to match form:2 |
| 16:29.45 | alestane | I suppose I can spec into it on the PTR and try it there. |
| 16:35.20 | Fisker | sniff nevcairiel's butt |
| 16:35.21 | Fisker | +s |
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| 16:50.14 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 16:51.30 | Qzot | Is there any way -- web, api, ?? -- to see the date a toon was created? |
| 16:52.00 | Iriel | Hm, it is on the stats anywhere? |
| 16:52.04 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 16:52.09 | Gnarfoz | best try: www.warcraftrealms.com |
| 16:52.14 | Gnarfoz | and check when it first showed up |
| 16:52.42 | Qzot | I don't think that would help for toons created in 2004 and 2005. |
| 16:52.42 | Gnarfoz | or, if it's still the same install/computer and it's your first char, check when SavedVariables were created, or something like that |
| 16:52.55 | Gnarfoz | (maybe you have screenshots from when you were very low level?) |
| 16:53.12 | Gnarfoz | sure it would, why would the year matter? |
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| 16:53.47 | Gnarfoz | warcraftrealms is fed by Census+, which existed even in the vanilla beta, through Cosmos, if I'm not totally mistaken as to its origins |
| 16:55.44 | End | warcraftrealms isn't entirely accurate, but it's the best we got and it's been around forever |
| 16:56.18 | Qzot | Wow. It had stuff from 2005. I'm impressed. |
| 16:57.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I don't know anyone personally who runs the Census mod these days, but apparently enough people still do :> |
| 16:58.32 | Gnarfoz | (I don't know, have they taken to using the Armory as much as they can? It's not easy to use for "let's map all players on all realms", but it might give them additional data) |
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| 17:09.49 | Cidan | For the record, women = crazy. |
| 17:09.50 | Cidan | That is all. |
| 17:10.08 | Gnarfoz | ~women |
| 17:10.09 | purl | women are not boys! :P |
| 17:10.18 | alestane | This is true! |
| 17:10.24 | Gnarfoz | I concur |
| 17:10.27 | alestane | Vive la difference! |
| 17:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo women |
| 17:10.56 | purl | women -- created by Techjar <n=4698e1a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-89d9aa7ef8018443> at Thu Nov 27 17:33:12 2008 (211 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Gnarfoz, 47s ago. |
| 17:11.11 | alestane | Of course, men = crazy with roughly equal incidence. |
| 17:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:11.27 | Cidan | Men are crazy in different areas |
| 17:11.40 | alestane | And from different perspectives. |
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| 17:12.28 | Gnarfoz | most often from below, you say? |
| 17:13.19 | Cidan | A man being crazy is him playing WoW all day, or geeking out to stupid things that don't matter, or dragging around their e-peen. A woman being crazy is, say, her going out bar hopping when she's in a relationship, getting men to get her drinks, coming home to her boyfriend wanting to suck his cock while drunk off of other mens drinks, then getting mad at said boyfriend for feeling disrespected, offended, and cheap. |
| 17:13.33 | Cidan | Also, in case you haven't figured it out, not so happy with the lady right now. |
| 17:13.47 | kd3 | ! |
| 17:15.00 | alestane | Sounds like it could have been worse, but yes, a discussion is likely in order. |
| 17:15.08 | Cidan | No kidding. |
| 17:15.09 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:15.16 | Cidan | Ah well, only thing I can do is laugh. |
| 17:15.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Like you're crazy? |
| 17:15.38 | Cidan | Something like that, yep. |
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| 17:17.44 | alestane | "'Laugh,' says Coyote." |
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| 18:12.08 | End | wow titanium powder has a low proespect rate |
| 18:12.16 | End | prospect* |
| 18:17.19 | Kalroth | a low prospect rate? :p |
| 18:18.07 | Kalroth | it's about 25% chance for an epic gem per prospect |
| 18:20.04 | End | powder |
| 18:20.06 | End | not gem |
| 18:20.15 | End | although |
| 18:20.18 | End | it wasn't so bad in the end |
| 18:20.31 | End | I prospect 4 or 5 stacks before I saw any powder |
| 18:20.32 | Kalroth | oh, it's not 100% per prospect? |
| 18:20.33 | Dagmar | I want them to stop being stingy with the free epix |
| 18:20.35 | Kalroth | d'oh |
| 18:20.38 | End | no, it's not |
| 18:20.42 | alestane | What do you need titanium powder for? |
| 18:20.46 | End | tokens |
| 18:20.50 | Kalroth | powder is only used for tokens afaik |
| 18:20.53 | End | dalaran JC tokens I mean |
| 18:20.54 | Kalroth | 10 powders = 1 token |
| 18:20.55 | Dagmar | Clearly the premade copy queue and the "real toon" copy queue operate asynchronously |
| 18:20.55 | End | yeah |
| 18:21.02 | alestane | And I preseum you can only prospect it by finding actual titanium veins? |
| 18:21.27 | Kalroth | from prospecting titanium ore |
| 18:22.55 | End | well |
| 18:22.56 | End | powder isn't that bad at second glance |
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| 18:23.49 | End | I just had a dry spell, and I only prospected..220 ore or so |
| 18:24.38 | End | I'd say you get roughly one powder every other on average |
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| 19:08.41 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 19:09.30 | Thunder_Child | "Still alive, I see. Clearly you're not trying hard enough" |
| 19:15.08 | Fisker | trips Thunder_Child |
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| 19:15.54 | Thunder_Child | sidesteps Fisker's fail attempt |
| 19:16.07 | Fisker | no |
| 19:16.23 | Thunder_Child | to late, it has been doen |
| 19:16.26 | Thunder_Child | done* |
| 19:16.48 | Fisker | exactly |
| 19:16.53 | Fisker | which means you can't sidestep it |
| 19:16.55 | Fisker | so pwnt |
| 19:17.02 | Thunder_Child | i mean my action has been done |
| 19:17.21 | Thunder_Child | therefor my cowbell wins |
| 19:17.38 | Fisker | it hasn't because my action was done as well |
| 19:17.47 | Fisker | Therefor your action cannot be done because mine has already happened |
| 19:17.49 | Fisker | bam |
| 19:18.17 | Thunder_Child | you thought it had appened but you are in error sir |
| 19:18.31 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:18.40 | Fisker | because then you wouldn't have attempted to sidestep it |
| 19:19.59 | Thunder_Child | i sidestepped the trip attempt |
| 19:20.43 | Fisker | which would've been irrelevant if didn't happen |
| 19:20.44 | Fisker | bam |
| 19:20.48 | Fisker | so it did happe |
| 19:20.49 | Fisker | n |
| 19:20.52 | Fisker | and i did trip you |
| 19:20.56 | Fisker | and you did fail sidestepping |
| 19:23.19 | Thunder_Child | no, the trip attempt happened but i sidesteped it so the trip it self did not |
| 19:23.59 | Fisker | but noo |
| 19:24.06 | Fisker | because then it would've said tried or attempted, etc. |
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| 19:32.26 | Thunder_Child | thats why i said you were mistaken |
| 19:33.48 | Fisker | but i weren't |
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| 19:37.04 | Aelobin | =o Cairenn's back :P |
| 19:37.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Liar |
| 19:37.16 | Cairenn | CIAO! |
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| 19:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | oh crap she is |
| 19:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | hides |
| 19:37.35 | Aelobin | had a nice vacation? :P |
| 19:38.50 | Cairenn | it was perfecto! |
| 19:39.06 | Cairenn | I just don't even have the words ... it was ... omg |
| 19:39.12 | zenzelezz | snuggles Cairenn |
| 19:39.21 | Cairenn | cuddles zenzelezz |
| 19:39.23 | Adys | did they change GetInboxHeaderInfo() in 3.2? |
| 19:44.55 | Cairenn | I'll make a post about it all in a while, I'm still trying to get my feet back on the ground |
| 19:45.02 | Cairenn | it was just .... oh my god |
| 19:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You sound, rather.. |
| 19:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 19:45.36 | Cairenn | relaxed? |
| 19:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I was going to go with estatic |
| 19:45.52 | Cairenn | that too! |
| 19:46.09 | Cairenn | wow |
| 19:46.11 | Cairenn | just |
| 19:46.12 | Cairenn | wow |
| 19:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to say that the number of ways the above three lines could be taken out of context are many |
| 19:47.08 | Cairenn | take them any way you want :) |
| 19:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "wow" "just" "wow" --Cairenn on (insert random thing here) |
| 19:47.23 | Gnarfoz | vacations |
| 19:47.30 | Gnarfoz | ~vacations++ |
| 19:47.31 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 19:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | The question now is |
| 19:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Did you miss us?! |
| 19:48.48 | Cairenn | yeah, I did :) |
| 19:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 19:49.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Well now I *have* to be nice =[ |
| 19:49.06 | Cairenn | nope :) |
| 19:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 19:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to see something awesome, go read over your "Request for Volunteers" thread |
| 19:50.45 | Cairenn | I saw, I actually popped on to check the site once every evening when I got back to the hotel before going to sleep, to make sure there was nothing urgent I needed to deal with |
| 19:51.00 | Cairenn | brb, pidgin wants to update |
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| 20:15.21 | Fisker | lurks in the shadows |
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| 20:32.47 | Thunder_Child | wtb next patch |
| 20:33.06 | nevcairiel | wtb diablo3 |
| 20:33.24 | Thunder_Child | well that as well though i suspect that patch will come before D3 |
| 20:33.49 | nevcairiel | i dont actively play wow anymore, so i would prefer d3 :) |
| 20:34.04 | Thunder_Child | sc2 will be out befre anyway |
| 20:34.11 | Thunder_Child | before* |
| 20:34.25 | nevcairiel | i suck at RTS .. i only play single player <.< |
| 20:34.42 | Thunder_Child | well i am good at it but i usualy only play single as well |
| 20:35.01 | Thunder_Child | my play style doesnt let itself well to multiplayer |
| 20:35.17 | Thunder_Child | lend* |
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| 20:49.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: wtb d3 so bad :\ |
| 20:49.57 | nevcairiel | lets break into blizzard HQ and steal an alpha |
| 20:50.54 | Gnarfoz | that worked out well for hl2, didn't it |
| 20:50.59 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:51.06 | Thunder_Child | are you sure it's even in alpha? |
| 20:51.33 | Gnarfoz | I don't know what I'd call the stage it's in if not alpha |
| 20:51.40 | Gnarfoz | or just "Development" ;) |
| 20:51.47 | nevcairiel | alpha is the first |
| 20:51.58 | nevcairiel | there is nothing before alpha in the alphabet! |
| 20:51.59 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:52.06 | Thunder_Child | there is a diff between playable alpha and framework alpha |
| 20:53.01 | Thunder_Child | i dont know how much of the playable alpha at the last blizzcon was built up |
| 20:53.12 | Thunder_Child | since you could only get so far in the 10 min or whatever |
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| 20:57.09 | pwntang | Hi guys. Could someone pls help me? I'm having trouble with some xml; all I want to do is create a button and I cannot get it to work. The xml I'm using is here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116788 |
| 20:57.31 | pwntang | my addon does not load when I use the code I'm using |
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| 20:58.58 | pwntang | hold on....think I know what it is |
| 20:59.34 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, http://shirt.woot.com/ |
| 21:00.19 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 21:04.53 | pwntang | Actually no, I dont know what it is |
| 21:04.56 | pwntang | new link: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116791 |
| 21:06.08 | pwntang | can anyone tell me how to make a button within xml pls? |
| 21:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <Button></Button> |
| 21:07.31 | pwntang | thanks, big help lol |
| 21:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 21:07.38 | foxlit | What you really want to ask is "can anyone tell me how to use xml?" |
| 21:07.54 | pwntang | not really |
| 21:08.03 | Gnarfoz | or "why do I use xml at all?" ;-) |
| 21:08.11 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: because XML is *good* |
| 21:08.13 | pwntang | I want to know how to create a button that I can click |
| 21:08.21 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: *cough* ;p |
| 21:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Check your log file for information concerning your addon |
| 21:08.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: it is |
| 21:08.32 | Legorol | pwntang: you make a button the same way as you make a frame, and make sure you add an <OnClick> handler |
| 21:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Although knowing what your problem actually -is- would help |
| 21:08.54 | pwntang | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116791 - can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 21:09.00 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: good at what, making it complicated to create stuff? ;> |
| 21:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | We have no idea. What's your problem? |
| 21:09.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: or simple yet clearly defined, your call |
| 21:09.14 | foxlit | "It does not work" |
| 21:09.18 | foxlit | "Why?" |
| 21:09.27 | foxlit | "Because I don't know what I'm doing." :) |
| 21:09.41 | foxlit | Is that the entire XML file you're trying to use? |
| 21:09.42 | pwntang | if I knew what I was doing I wouldn't ask on here |
| 21:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? |
| 21:09.54 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 21:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | As in |
| 21:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | What is not working? |
| 21:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | We have no idea what your actual problem is, aside from "here's my code, fix it" |
| 21:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Which tells us very little |
| 21:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it not display? Does it not do anything when clicked? Is it purple? |
| 21:10.46 | pwntang | good greif....do u think I would come on here and tell you I have a problem and not tell you what it is? that is the first thing I did when I logged in |
| 21:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "all I want to do is create a button and I cannot get it to work." |
| 21:11.03 | Cairenn | temper guys :) |
| 21:11.31 | pwntang | <pwntang> Hi guys. Could someone pls help me? I'm having trouble with some xml; all I want to do is create a button and I cannot get it to work. The xml I'm using is here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116788 |
| 21:11.31 | pwntang | * kd3|hate`net (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 21:11.31 | pwntang | <pwntang> my addon does not load when I use the code I'm using |
| 21:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Are you sure it isn't loading? |
| 21:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | if that's all you have, it would be hard to tell |
| 21:11.57 | foxlit | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116791 << foxlit: Is that the entire XML file you're trying to use? |
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| 21:12.16 | pwntang | no, of course not - it's just the relavent part |
| 21:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Check your FrameXML log file |
| 21:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I forget where it is |
| 21:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It will detail why it is not working |
| 21:12.39 | pwntang | I know where it is, I'll check it |
| 21:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | also! |
| 21:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | glares at Cairenn |
| 21:13.15 | pwntang | couldn't parse xml |
| 21:13.16 | Cairenn | smoogles ScytheBlade1 |
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| 21:13.26 | Aelobin | "Thug Aim".... say it quickly |
| 21:14.45 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: then your xml is not valid, shockingly :P |
| 21:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | pwntang: paste the -exact- error? |
| 21:15.03 | Cairenn | tacklehugs jnwhiteh |
| 21:15.10 | pwntang | <@jnwhiteh>: well, I knew that already |
| 21:15.17 | jnwhiteh | also there is no "relevant" part when your file isn't well formed |
| 21:15.24 | jnwhiteh | open it in firefox |
| 21:15.26 | jnwhiteh | or hell, IE |
| 21:15.59 | sylvanaar | text editors for xml ftl |
| 21:16.07 | Cruciformer | yet another reason to use lua versus xml - better error reporting and debugging. |
| 21:16.21 | foxlit | /cough /choke |
| 21:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Cruciformer: debatable, when you're using a good XML editor |
| 21:16.25 | sylvanaar | no, he just used the wrong editor |
| 21:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:16.32 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: ... |
| 21:16.37 | jnwhiteh | that's just blatantly not true |
| 21:16.46 | Cruciformer | ScytheBlade1: the last XML editor I used was Framemaker+SGML. |
| 21:16.50 | pwntang | is there anyone who can just give me a simple <Button></Button> I can work with and modify? |
| 21:16.51 | foxlit | Gather the pitchforks, ladies and gentlemen :) |
| 21:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cruciformer: there's your problem! |
| 21:17.01 | sylvanaar | xmlspy 4ever |
| 21:17.08 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: there's thousands.. |
| 21:17.12 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: you're assuming the problem is in your button |
| 21:17.15 | jnwhiteh | its almost certainly |
| 21:17.16 | jnwhiteh | not |
| 21:17.19 | jnwhiteh | so post the entire code |
| 21:17.21 | Dagmar | pebcak |
| 21:17.24 | jnwhiteh | or actually do the things we're asking you to do. |
| 21:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | pwntang: Sure. <Button></Button>. But seriously... open your XML in IE/FF |
| 21:17.32 | jnwhiteh | stop trying to save us from "trouble" |
| 21:17.34 | jnwhiteh | its just causing problems. |
| 21:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | The *full* file |
| 21:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Not just your snippet |
| 21:18.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll either render and let you click elements, or whine - but tell you exactly where and why it is whining |
| 21:18.34 | pwntang | I've opened it in IE |
| 21:18.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ... okay. And? |
| 21:19.04 | sylvanaar | you can go one step furthe and get the xsd and try to validate your xml |
| 21:19.09 | Dagmar | If you require a fancy editor to write XML, it's time to go buy a mac and start getting used to one-button mice |
| 21:19.24 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar: the XSD is on the web at http://wowprogramming.com/FrameXML/UI.xsd for that reason :P |
| 21:19.37 | jnwhiteh | I use it in all my <Ui> elements |
| 21:19.40 | pwntang | its having trouble finding the texture file it would appear |
| 21:19.45 | jnwhiteh | makes for uber easy validation |
| 21:19.51 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: no, that's not the case |
| 21:19.53 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: except for when that link is dead. |
| 21:19.54 | jnwhiteh | please post the error |
| 21:19.57 | jnwhiteh | why are you not giving us information |
| 21:20.10 | Dagmar | He has to edit out the parts that trigger the memory hacker |
| 21:20.11 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: .. except not. |
| 21:20.16 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: that IS the file.. |
| 21:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar: maybe - looks like his elements aren't in the strict order that the XSD defines, so it'd probably just yell for no real reason |
| 21:20.25 | foxlit | sighs |
| 21:20.26 | pwntang | perhaps if you gave me a chance rather than jump down my throat the second I post a comment? |
| 21:20.26 | jnwhiteh | so try again? |
| 21:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, it'd whine for a good reason but not one that the engine cares about |
| 21:20.42 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: We're not jumping down your throat.. but we're trying to get the information we need in order to help you. |
| 21:20.51 | pwntang | Incorrect syntax was used in a comment. Error processing resource 'file:///G:/World of Warcraft/Interface/AddOns/BookKeeper... |
| 21:20.56 | sylvanaar | thats a badly designed xsd then |
| 21:20.59 | jnwhiteh | Posting the whole file would have been a great help |
| 21:21.05 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: then we'll need to see the file, can you pastey it please |
| 21:21.06 | foxlit | Good point. Apparently the behavior my browser choses when encountering XSD is to display a blank page. |
| 21:21.07 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar: yes, people have said that before. :) |
| 21:21.23 | pwntang | if you wait, you'll get the info. I just don't want to spend ages typing it all into a single chat line |
| 21:21.42 | jnwhiteh | I'll wait for anything |
| 21:21.52 | jnwhiteh | but please post the file, that is what we need (and we asked for it quite a bit ago) |
| 21:21.53 | Cidan | Yeah you will |
| 21:21.58 | Cidan | IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. |
| 21:21.59 | Cidan | etc. |
| 21:22.00 | Cidan | xD |
| 21:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Then tell you what, post the full file and your framexml log |
| 21:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: that xsd on your site updated with the PTR? |
| 21:22.37 | sylvanaar | the whole channel is involved now - so chop chop |
| 21:22.54 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: no, bt the changes are fully backwards compat.. so I can update it. |
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| 21:23.10 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: I just want to grab a copy for my web-based WoW XML validator |
| 21:23.17 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 21:23.23 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: it looked convinent to grab :) |
| 21:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Only spelled right |
| 21:23.31 | jnwhiteh | updated now. |
| 21:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | kk |
| 21:23.47 | jnwhiteh | also both versions available from http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 21:23.54 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/test/FrameXML/UI.xsd for example |
| 21:24.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
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| 21:25.48 | pwntang | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116794 is the xml.....@jnwhiteh: the log file is on it's way, it wont be long |
| 21:25.53 | sylvanaar | its handy on the web, since you can store that reference, and it will most always be automagically found by the editor |
| 21:26.33 | pwntang | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116795 framexml.log |
| 21:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Simple enough error |
| 21:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | (@ the log) |
| 21:28.00 | jnwhiteh | The file seems well-formed to me. |
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| 21:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: fun trick: http://dev.averageurl.com/wow/xml/ |
| 21:28.55 | ScytheBlade1 | also, pwntang, ^ |
| 21:28.59 | BloodSkin | lol @ topic |
| 21:29.01 | jnwhiteh | aye, iv'e seen it :P |
| 21:29.22 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: how permanent is that? |
| 21:29.24 | jnwhiteh | if so i'll put it in the book |
| 21:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: very, it's mine, and feel free |
| 21:29.37 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 21:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't play anymore, but I updated the XSD is uses as I can |
| 21:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | *it |
| 21:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | pwntang: look over the errors that site reports with your XML. You can safely ignore the "Element '{http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/}Color': This element is not expected." (and similar) errors, but the rest should be valid complaints about your XML file |
| 21:31.30 | jnwhiteh | I prefer to put my elements in the right sequence as well :P |
| 21:31.32 | jnwhiteh | but i'm annoying |
| 21:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | pwntang: It is HIGHLY recommended to use a quality XML editor, as it will only allow you to write valid XML |
| 21:31.46 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: I do too, heh |
| 21:32.53 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: for one colors are 0.0 - 1.0 not 0 - 255, textures cannot specify parents in the XML, same with font strings |
| 21:33.00 | jnwhiteh | And a button can't have a color wihtout a texture (line 490) |
| 21:33.06 | jnwhiteh | those are the main issues, fixing htem should help |
| 21:33.25 | jnwhiteh | however, in order to get the file to load, you might only need to change the line 490 stuff. |
| 21:33.26 | pwntang | everything loads perfectly if I take out the buttons I've been speaking about |
| 21:33.36 | jnwhiteh | Although WoW is reporting not being able to parse the file, which is confusing. |
| 21:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | very confusing |
| 21:34.03 | jnwhiteh | pwntang: there is nothing wrong with the button definition you posted |
| 21:34.11 | jnwhiteh | which is why we're confused :P |
| 21:34.22 | jnwhiteh | the file you pastey'd also is well formed |
| 21:34.50 | sylvanaar | the button is virtual |
| 21:35.20 | pwntang | just checked again, if I remove these (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116796) lines, everything works perfectly albeit without the buttons |
| 21:38.33 | sylvanaar | ScytheBlade1 you know their schema doesnt have the ordering problems i thought it did, they defined their sequences properly |
| 21:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | sylvanaar: aye. It's just how it works. |
| 21:39.14 | jnwhiteh | i'm chill with the sequences =) |
| 21:39.19 | jnwhiteh | it makes things go in a logical order |
| 21:39.23 | jnwhiteh | sometimes :P |
| 21:39.31 | sylvanaar | <xs:sequence minOccurs="0"><xs:choice maxOccurs="unbounded">, is how you define unordered sequences |
| 21:39.44 | sylvanaar | thats what they have |
| 21:42.44 | sylvanaar | they use alot of inheritance/restriction/extension, and thats where they made thier mistake, they have ordering restrictions which werent intended as a result of their use of extenstion |
| 21:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | pretty much. It'd take a lot of effort to rewrite it in a manner that would be more end-developer friendly, so whatever |
| 21:48.29 | sylvanaar | you could just exchange sequence and choice |
| 21:49.02 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.11 | sylvanaar | that would probably work in alot of cases |
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| 21:53.22 | sylvanaar | meh, yeah - its all messed up actually |
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| 22:23.06 | sylvanaar | now i remember why i stopped using xml-schema type extension, ugh |
| 22:23.29 | Thunder_Child | you suck at it? |
| 22:24.07 | sylvanaar | no, you cant solve the ordering problem afaik without introducing additional elements |
| 22:32.26 | sylvanaar | only way i know is to use groups, but thats a real mess |
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| 22:53.20 | foxlit | Hm, Robert Lund. |
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| 23:05.45 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy too |
| 23:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzelezz. *huggle* |
| 23:06.41 | foxlit | "Your quest is so right... you can't go left." |
| 23:06.56 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 23:07.53 | bleeter | kd3|hate`net: constantine is a crappy name :( |
| 23:08.25 | Thunder_Child | wtb good visuilization software |
| 23:09.05 | Gnarfoz | wts eyes 2.0 |
| 23:09.10 | bleeter | wts: gud spel checka foure irc |
| 23:09.19 | zenzelezz | visualization of what? |
| 23:09.24 | Thunder_Child | music |
| 23:09.49 | zenzelezz | hm, don't know about that... used to love the old Geiss screensaver/WinAmp plugin |
| 23:10.03 | Thunder_Child | i need to be able to manipulate it |
| 23:10.07 | Gnarfoz | it's amazing how badly AVS still performs :\ |
| 23:10.11 | Thunder_Child | more like a light show that i can configure |
| 23:10.44 | Gnarfoz | winamp's AVS is highly customizable, but at least in my winamp version and on my system, its performance hasn't really improved over the last 3 cpu upgrades |
| 23:10.47 | Gnarfoz | wonder why that is ;> |
| 23:11.21 | zenzelezz | what annoys me about modern music player visualizations is they seem to *love* to swtich mode every 5 seconds... I just want a single one, without having to manually disable the 60 other modes |
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| 23:14.22 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* at this rate i am going to have to get some VJ software and do it myself |
| 23:14.55 | cbreak | zenzelezz: get iTunes :D |
| 23:15.25 | zenzelezz | it's bad enough being annoyed by the visualizations, I don't want to be annoyed by the player as well |
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| 23:16.04 | foxlit | If apple products aren't resolving your problems, you aren't using enough of them. |
| 23:16.08 | foxlit | zenzelezz: get a mac. |
| 23:16.19 | zenzelezz | use one part-time at work |
| 23:16.58 | cbreak | I like the visualizer of it... |
| 23:17.48 | zenzelezz | the visualizer might be good, I wouldn't know, I just don't like all the stuff that seems crammed into it (and the look) :) |
| 23:18.09 | cbreak | I like the look... compared to the uglyness that is the other players I tried |
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| 23:18.37 | cbreak | (although the last time I searched for players was during mac os 9 times...) |
| 23:18.54 | zenzelezz | yeah, it's amazing how bad most of them look. Not sure I've found any I really like the look of, but some are okay |
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| 23:21.49 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: some of the milkdrop ones are pretty cool |
| 23:24.42 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all don't need "better" visualizers, you need better imaginations. Or more LSD. |
| 23:25.05 | Cruciformer | do u need ANY visualisations with lsd? |
| 23:25.27 | Gnarfoz | wallpaper is probably enough |
| 23:26.00 | Cruciformer | I wouldnt know. Im scared to death of lsd but extremely curious. |
| 23:26.01 | zenzelezz | now, now, miss Peppy; you're not advocating the use of drugs, are you? |
| 23:26.19 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: Its not a drug its a ... tool :) |
| 23:26.37 | foxlit | Now, now, "drugs" is such a non-politically-correct word |
| 23:26.39 | Cruciformer | just ask Timothy Leary. |
| 23:27.02 | Shirik | Thunder_Child / Iriel / anyone that knows how to use Lightroom: Is there a way to move my pictures safely? |
| 23:27.08 | Shirik | i.e., I don't want to store them where they're currently stored anymore |
| 23:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I'm actually kind of in the hippy "do what you will" area when it comes to substances. |
| 23:27.15 | zenzelezz | well I couldn't recall what sort of substance LSD is, so I used the collective term |
| 23:27.26 | Shirik | Or better question, how do you save your pictures.... I'm running out of HD space |
| 23:27.33 | zenzelezz | peppy: that's it, I think I'll need a word with you in my office, pronto |
| 23:27.59 | Cruciformer | Shirik: Create a new catalog on a different HD |
| 23:28.08 | foxlit | [frankly, I was just going for a joke; punch line is mia, though] |
| 23:28.52 | Shirik | Cruciformer: I don't want to make a new one though |
| 23:28.56 | Shirik | I want to keep the old pictures in the same catalog |
| 23:29.38 | Cruciformer | Shirik: I did it once. IIRC I just moved the folder with teh old catalog to the new HDD, and then opened that catalog |
| 23:30.25 | Cruciformer | http://www.lightroomforums.net/showthread.php?t=828 |
| 23:31.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, there are any number of ways |
| 23:32.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, just move the pictures then point the "folders" section to the new location |
| 23:32.31 | Thunder_Child | you can even import from your old catalog if you have to make a new one |
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| 23:32.55 | Cruciformer | and you can export your current catalog as a catalog to the new location |
| 23:34.30 | Cidan | Damn it all to hell, I can't find my PSP transfer cable |
| 23:34.33 | Cidan | akldjawe90ejasd |
| 23:34.46 | Shirik | ok so I can just move it Thunder_Child |
| 23:34.50 | Shirik | it's not a complex system :P |
| 23:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, zenzelezz. *ahem, rawr* |
| 23:35.27 | foxlit | Cidan: isn't that a standard USB? |
| 23:35.28 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Do you store them on an external drive at all? |
| 23:35.35 | Shirik | that's what I'm looking at doing right now |
| 23:35.36 | Cruciformer | *sigh* one day when I am rich I want an aston martin db9 |
| 23:35.44 | Cidan | foxlit: Yeah, I have no idea where it is, D: |
| 23:36.18 | Cruciformer | Shirik: If you care about my setup at all, I store my main catalog on a RAID array and do the weekly backup to an external ESATA drive. |
| 23:36.29 | Shirik | ok I'm running with a laptop |
| 23:36.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, kind of...the images are on a drive seperate from the install drive but they are within the same computer |
| 23:36.39 | Shirik | so basically storing it on the laptop at all is difficult |
| 23:37.01 | Thunder_Child | i dont see why you have a problem |
| 23:37.15 | Lopeppeppy | Is it sad that I want to rip the RAM out of my head? |
| 23:37.16 | Shirik | I guess my problem is that I don't delete pictures |
| 23:37.16 | Cruciformer | Shirik: In teh laptop case Id do as TC did, store them on a drive hat is not C: (or the same physical drive as C:) and backup to an external |
| 23:37.30 | Shirik | I'm already at 24GB and I only have 200GB to work with |
| 23:37.39 | Shirik | (less than that when you factor in all the other stuff I have) |
| 23:38.00 | Cruciformer | Shirik: space goes quickly. each .CR2 from my camera is ~25MB |
| 23:38.06 | Shirik | same |
| 23:38.19 | Cruciformer | ah yeah u have the 5dmk2 right? |
| 23:38.21 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:38.37 | Cruciformer | does that have both a CF and SD slot? |
| 23:38.40 | Shirik | maybe I'll just format my linux drive and stick all my pictures there |
| 23:38.50 | Shirik | you're the second person to ask me that question today |
| 23:38.59 | Shirik | as far as I'm aware it only has CF, but I've never really looked into it |
| 23:39.01 | Cidan | Sooo, Lightroom. |
| 23:39.05 | Cidan | Is it any good? |
| 23:39.28 | Cruciformer | Cidan: Depends entirely on what you are using it for. For quick image touchups and managing a large list of assets, yes it is. |
| 23:39.35 | Thunder_Child | " Storage types Compact Flash (Type I or II), UDMA, Microdrive" |
| 23:39.35 | zenzelezz | Cidan: it's a bit bright |
| 23:39.42 | Thunder_Child | is what it has |
| 23:40.01 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, every. ignore Cruciformer and his logic |
| 23:40.10 | Thunder_Child | s/every/very/ |
| 23:40.10 | Cruciformer | hrm is "microdrive" sd? These terms can be confusing. |
| 23:40.21 | Shirik | Cidan: I like it a lot, yes |
| 23:40.25 | Cidan | Hm. |
| 23:40.43 | Cidan | I think I'll nab the trial, see if it's worth while. |
| 23:40.47 | Thunder_Child | and since it has limited PS aplications built into it it can be rather handu |
| 23:40.56 | Shirik | I just don't like PS, really |
| 23:40.58 | Cruciformer | TC: What was wrong with my logic? I use lightroom all the time. |
| 23:41.06 | Shirik | It's powerful, but I don't really like changing pictures |
| 23:41.11 | Cidan | I don't like the new Adobe Air platform or whatever. |
| 23:41.11 | Thunder_Child | Cruciformer, but you gave him a choice |
| 23:41.15 | Shirik | and PS is really meant to change pictures, not touch them up like Lightroom |
| 23:41.17 | Cidan | I mean I want to, I sort of do, but can't. |
| 23:41.28 | Cidan | So what kind of touching up can you do? |
| 23:41.30 | Cruciformer | TC: Well the *IS* Capture One which is also extremely powerful. |
| 23:41.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it has the same functionality since it was pulled from PS |
| 23:41.37 | Shirik | Want a screenshot? |
| 23:41.41 | Cidan | Sure. |
| 23:41.45 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: That's not really what I was saying |
| 23:41.49 | Shirik | PS can do everything Lightroom can do |
| 23:41.53 | Thunder_Child | Cruciformer, huh? |
| 23:42.04 | Shirik | but Lightroom does it faster and without all the 5 million other things PS can do |
| 23:42.11 | Shirik | faster = less buttons to click |
| 23:42.14 | Cruciformer | TC: Capture One is an alternative to lightroom that a lot of people prefer. |
| 23:42.40 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, nope, you can do the same thing when you first drop a raw file in there, it has a seperate window |
| 23:42.49 | Thunder_Child | looks it up |
| 23:42.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:43.01 | Shirik | Well anyway, PS can do more! And that's bad! |
| 23:43.21 | Cruciformer | http://www.phaseone.com/ |
| 23:43.47 | Cruciformer | TC: I have 3 freinds who are professional photographers (2 sports, 1 studio) and they all prefer C1 to LR. |
| 23:44.17 | zenzelezz | <Cruciformer> TC: I have 3 freinds <--- quit showing off :( |
| 23:44.24 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 23:44.51 | Gnarfoz | fucking Madascar |
| 23:45.00 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: busted. I was perhaps a bit liberal with the usage of the word "friend" :) |
| 23:45.03 | Gnarfoz | s/da/daga/ |
| 23:45.14 | Shirik | eh, I can't really give you a good screenshot, Cidan |
| 23:45.19 | Shirik | just too much stuff to show |
| 23:45.24 | Shirik | get the trial, I think you'll like it |
| 23:45.28 | Shirik | play around in the develop module |
| 23:46.04 | Shirik | suffice to say I have been very happy with its results |
| 23:46.16 | Cruciformer | Cidan: In big broad strokes, it boilds down to this. Lightroom is not a pixel editor, it is a whole-photo cropper and adjuster. Photoshop is a pixel editor that can do the other stuff too when you work on the whole image. |
| 23:46.29 | Cidan | well |
| 23:46.33 | Cidan | I'll mess around. |
| 23:47.07 | Cidan | Right now I mainly use Picasa to quickly clean up shots if I need to, but otherwise, eh. Then again, I'm far from pro. |
| 23:47.09 | Cruciformer | I know LR has a 30-day eval, I dont know if photoshop does. |
| 23:48.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Mystical (n=forsaken@dslb-084-058-208-061.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:49.01 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/Lightroom.jpg |
| 23:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | Picasa is... interesting. I prefer Photoshop, or GIMP if I can't get Photoshop. |
| 23:52.10 | Cruciformer | is picasa Apple's version of lightroom? |
| 23:52.27 | Thunder_Child | google's |
| 23:52.33 | Cruciformer | or is that a different beast altogether. |
| 23:52.54 | Thunder_Child | it's googles picture manager..it may have some light editing functions |
| 23:54.26 | Legorol | Any hunters around? It seems to me that the Frostcale set bonus is not being applied to ranged attack power. Having googled it a bit, this seems to be a long-standing bug. Does anyone know if Blizz is aware of it? or working on it? or what is its status? |
| 23:55.36 | Cruciformer | TC: I dont know if LR supports it or not but C1's tethered shooting is very nice. I know the studio photographer uses that and loves it. |
| 23:56.40 | Cruciformer | TC / Shirik: have either of you used (successfully) Canon's WFT? |
| 23:57.31 | zenzelezz | WFT? |
| 23:57.41 | Cruciformer | Wireless File Transmitter |
| 23:58.42 | Dagmar | I can find plenty of people saying it's not working correectly in 3.1 |
| 23:59.21 | Dagmar | The good news is that you can outgrow those in about six hours |
