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| 00:02.27 | Dagmar | Are you sure it's not just a matter of good taste? |
| 00:02.49 | drfuzzykins | hmm? |
| 00:03.13 | Dagmar | Just because they're running Windows doesn't necessarily mean they want to inflict Ruby or Rails on their machine too |
| 00:03.20 | Dagmar | 8D |
| 00:03.42 | Nechckn | boo hiss |
| 00:04.57 | drfuzzykins | I would love to disagree but since I have not yet started programming rails, only try to install it, I can't really say it isn't the worst thing ever |
| 00:05.23 | drfuzzykins | I love Ruby though... |
| 00:06.05 | squidbear | How do you do a comparison to a table? For example, how would I compare a string to _G["GameTooltipTextLeft2"] |
| 00:06.51 | Dagmar | My main argument against them is their relative hype levels |
| 00:07.41 | Dagmar | A lot of it borders on being about as sensible as praising a pencil sharpener for both sharpening the tip AND cutting away the excess wood. |
| 00:07.51 | alestane | Get the fontstring's text and compare to that: if someString == _G["GameTooltipTextLeft2"]:GetText() then |
| 00:08.00 | Dagmar | ...and then acting like you just invented sharpened pencisl. |
| 00:09.00 | Dagmar | ...because some months later, those users are likely to realize that you talked them into installing the next Tcl. |
| 00:09.21 | drfuzzykins | Dagmar: all my prior web programming has been in PHP. And not like CakePHP, just PHP. I think I have nowhere to go but up. |
| 00:09.42 | Dagmar | Okay that's probably true, but you could still probably get some more milage out of PHP with the right libraries. ;) |
| 00:10.00 | drfuzzykins | I could install it on Windows with mysql and sqlite too |
| 00:10.08 | drfuzzykins | but I want to try RoR :P |
| 00:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://imgur.com/VMI4j.jpg |
| 00:30.10 | drfuzzykins | heh |
| 00:35.13 | kd3 | sbo; one of my favorite images of late |
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| 00:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a good one |
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| 00:40.49 | Dagmar | Oh I like this: http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9273/smile2.jpg |
| 00:42.01 | Shirik|AFK | rawr |
| 00:42.07 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:42.13 | Shirik|AFK | huggles Gryphon |
| 00:42.18 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik|AFK |
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| 00:53.33 | Shirik|AFK | licks Gryphon |
| 00:53.37 | Gryphon | licks Shirik|AFK |
| 00:53.58 | Shirik|AFK | thinks it's too quiet in here. Do you agree, Gryphon? |
| 00:54.02 | Gryphon | thinks it's too quiet in here. Do you agree, Shirik|AFK? |
| 00:54.14 | Shirik|AFK | agrees with Gryphon |
| 00:54.18 | Gryphon | agrees with Shirik|AFK |
| 00:54.20 | Shirik|AFK | ok I'm having too much fun |
| 00:54.29 | Gryphon | i aim to please |
| 00:54.49 | Shirik|AFK | do you get pinged by that? :P |
| 00:54.57 | Gryphon | ya :) |
| 00:55.02 | Shirik|AFK | lol. |
| 00:57.02 | Thunder_Child | i want a violin |
| 00:57.32 | Shirik|AFK | plays the world's smallest violin for Thunder_Child |
| 00:57.34 | Shirik|AFK | ~rimshot |
| 00:57.34 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 00:58.41 | Thunder_Child | but then i have to get one converted...and i am lazy |
| 00:59.27 | Shirik|AFK | I play a cello :) |
| 00:59.50 | Shirik|AFK | I actually played a cello like a violin once |
| 00:59.51 | Thunder_Child | i used to play piano but i stopped...and the trombone for that matter |
| 00:59.58 | Shirik|AFK | but it was I think a 1/4 size (for like 4th graders) |
| 01:00.10 | Shirik|AFK | it was still incredibly difficult |
| 01:00.13 | Thunder_Child | funny, i want to try a violin cello style |
| 01:00.13 | kd3 | is a violinist |
| 01:00.22 | Shirik|AFK | that's a lot easier |
| 01:00.25 | kd3 | violin cello style is cake |
| 01:00.49 | Thunder_Child | the fingering might be more difficuly |
| 01:00.53 | Thunder_Child | -y +t |
| 01:01.18 | Thunder_Child | but i would want it converted for left handed |
| 01:01.52 | Shirik|AFK | there is no left or right handed o.o |
| 01:01.53 | kd3 | left-handed? right-handed? |
| 01:01.55 | Wobin | different? |
| 01:01.57 | Wobin | eh? |
| 01:02.02 | Wobin | you finger with your left hand |
| 01:02.12 | Shirik|AFK | that's what she said |
| 01:02.14 | Shirik|AFK | >.> |
| 01:02.24 | Thunder_Child | i want to finger with my right and bow with my left |
| 01:02.31 | kd3 | good luck with that |
| 01:02.38 | Wobin | indeed O.O |
| 01:02.38 | Thunder_Child | it exists |
| 01:02.56 | Wobin | string instruments cost enough without customisation like that =P |
| 01:02.57 | Shirik|AFK | you can't possibly play in a group like that, you'll kill everyone around you |
| 01:02.58 | Thunder_Child | i did my research |
| 01:03.06 | Thunder_Child | they can be converted |
| 01:03.14 | Wobin | it's like... sitting next to a left handed chopstick user |
| 01:03.19 | Wobin | except deadly |
| 01:03.21 | Thunder_Child | but they shound differently due to the bass bar not moving |
| 01:03.29 | Thunder_Child | sound* |
| 01:03.36 | Wobin | bass bar? |
| 01:03.58 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, thats something i read somewhere |
| 01:04.09 | Shirik|AFK | sound post? |
| 01:04.11 | Wobin | methinks you need to do more research =) |
| 01:04.15 | Shirik|AFK | it shouldn't move anyway actually :/ |
| 01:04.21 | Wobin | I'd hope not =( |
| 01:04.25 | Shirik|AFK | I have no idea what a bass bar is >.> |
| 01:04.28 | Wobin | the violin would collapse otherwise |
| 01:04.35 | Shirik|AFK | wouldn't collapse |
| 01:04.38 | Shirik|AFK | just would sound really bad |
| 01:04.47 | Shirik|AFK | it's a pretty typical repair |
| 01:05.06 | Shirik|AFK | a little less common than replacing the bridge |
| 01:05.07 | kd3 | typical, but still scary |
| 01:05.11 | Shirik|AFK | yeah |
| 01:05.54 | Wobin | Maybe TC isn't talking about stringed instruments |
| 01:06.01 | Thunder_Child | "Yes, we do lefty conversions on most any violin of your choice...this is fine to do on a student level violin...however, on a really expensive violin, you'll want the conversion done before it's built...so that the bass bar resides on the bass end of the violin. This tone variance is not as critical on student-level violins." |
| 01:06.23 | Shirik|AFK | wtf is bass bar |
| 01:06.25 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_bar |
| 01:06.42 | Shirik|AFK | that thing has a name? |
| 01:07.34 | Shirik|AFK | anyway |
| 01:07.40 | Shirik|AFK | I shall disappear to go take some pictures |
| 01:07.54 | Wobin | to be brutally honest, Violins cost so much, you're better off learning to finger with the left and bow with the right =P |
| 01:08.19 | Shirik|AFK | I have to admit I've never heard of someone playing left handed |
| 01:08.29 | Wobin | if you can afford to get a custom made one to -learn- with |
| 01:08.39 | Wobin | you can probably afford to get someone to just stand around and play it for you =P |
| 01:08.46 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 01:09.04 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, $100 for a violin (beginer) $30-50 for the conversion |
| 01:09.16 | kd3 | I still remember my conductor in middle school laughing about that |
| 01:09.32 | kd3 | 'there is no left-handed violin. you'll play the way everyone has since the 1700s' |
| 01:09.37 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 01:09.50 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 01:09.56 | Dagmar | Just glue some uncooked spaghetti to the neck. |
| 01:09.57 | Thunder_Child | there was a luthier that was making them left handed but he went out of busness |
| 01:10.16 | Dagmar | If you're jsut learning, no one's going to notice the spaghetti. |
| 01:10.17 | Wobin | because no orchestra wants a left handed violinist =) |
| 01:10.29 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to be in a bloody orchestra |
| 01:10.43 | kd3 | oh, so you want a fiddle |
| 01:10.46 | Dagmar | No marching band wants a left-handed violinist either. |
| 01:10.51 | Thunder_Child | nope, not a fiddle |
| 01:10.55 | Wobin | no he wants a glowing solo career |
| 01:11.33 | Dagmar | God I love the new Horde Guns. |
| 01:11.41 | Dagmar | ...cuz I won't have to use one. :) |
| 01:11.51 | Wobin | new Horde Guns? |
| 01:12.09 | Thunder_Child | yep, they are making different skins for items for faction |
| 01:12.14 | Dagmar | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/june/pvehorde_guns.jpg |
| 01:12.45 | Dagmar | If they'll resurrect that hobby horse model for the horde hunter stat stick, it would just make my day |
| 01:12.52 | Wobin | hm, interesting |
| 01:13.54 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: http://www.violinslover.com/lefthandedviolins4_4.php |
| 01:14.12 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, i saw that....expensive it is |
| 01:14.33 | Thunder_Child | i liked the $100 ones that went away L( |
| 01:14.36 | Wobin | unfortunately true for most good quality violins |
| 01:14.40 | Thunder_Child | s/L/:/ |
| 01:14.59 | Thunder_Child | i dont need a good quality..just a beginer |
| 01:16.04 | Shirik|AFK | Thunder_Child: $100 is... bad |
| 01:16.12 | Shirik|AFK | My strings cost more than $100, each |
| 01:16.15 | kd3 | and will sound horrid |
| 01:16.26 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: you should use the violin -I- did as a beginner |
| 01:16.37 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, fine, then send it to me |
| 01:16.37 | Wobin | It was a square box with a bamboo stick out one side |
| 01:16.46 | Wobin | and another bamboo stick as the bow |
| 01:16.53 | Shirik|AFK | horse hair too |
| 01:16.55 | Thunder_Child | pics or it didnt happen |
| 01:16.58 | Shirik|AFK | not that fiberglass crap |
| 01:16.58 | Wobin | You had to imagine the sound =P |
| 01:17.15 | Wobin | ugh, fibreglass bow hair? |
| 01:17.17 | Shirik|AFK | the bow should cost you several hundred |
| 01:17.24 | Shirik|AFK | Wobin: Most of the cheaper bows use fiberglass yes |
| 01:17.32 | Wobin | what are you doing? -cutting- the strings? |
| 01:17.37 | Shirik|AFK | lol |
| 01:18.25 | Thunder_Child | you people do not seem to understand beginer |
| 01:18.42 | Shirik|AFK | I just want you to not go "damn I suck" and have it be the fault of the instrument |
| 01:19.06 | Shirik|AFK | I mean I'll admit I've been playing for literally half my life, but the difference between a good instrument and a bad one is pretty significant at least to me |
| 01:19.07 | Thunder_Child | instead i will go "damn i suck and it's Shirik|AFK's fault" |
| 01:19.53 | Wobin | shirik is giving sucking lessons? |
| 01:19.58 | Shirik|AFK | :( |
| 01:20.13 | Thunder_Child | like this is something i would use as a beginer i imagine http://www.kkmusicstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7&zenid=97ac15a2d16cd87a34e6caff8146208d |
| 01:20.30 | Wobin | I think, especially for a stringed instrument, you want to learn on a worthwhile instrument |
| 01:20.37 | Shirik|AFK | what is this crap about having to sign in |
| 01:20.46 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 01:20.46 | batrick | Shirik|AFK: which instrument do you play? |
| 01:20.47 | ScytheBlade1 | talk about a subjective statement |
| 01:20.56 | Shirik|AFK | batrick: 'cello |
| 01:21.00 | batrick | o nice |
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| 01:21.21 | Shirik|AFK | I'm actually one of the founding members of the orchestra at my school now |
| 01:21.28 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: that link leads to a "signup plz" page |
| 01:21.38 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 01:21.55 | Shirik|AFK | we decided to get together and form an orchestra over the summer, we have 40 people signed up so far |
| 01:21.55 | Thunder_Child | http://www.kkmusicstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7 |
| 01:21.57 | Thunder_Child | better? |
| 01:22.00 | Wobin | Mendini MV200 Rosewood Fitted Violin Outfit? |
| 01:22.18 | Shirik|AFK | is it really black? |
| 01:22.38 | Thunder_Child | you're asking me? |
| 01:23.09 | Shirik|AFK | it doesn't say who makes the strings |
| 01:23.12 | Shirik|AFK | :/ |
| 01:23.32 | Thunder_Child | a machine i assume |
| 01:23.40 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, that's a decent deal actually |
| 01:23.47 | Shirik|AFK | Thunder_Child: The brand -_- |
| 01:23.51 | Shirik|AFK | brand of strings is important! |
| 01:24.11 | Shirik|AFK | You can tell the brand by the color of the thread at the ends, but I don't see it in any of the pictures |
| 01:24.31 | Shirik|AFK | oh Cecilio, I guess. I never heard of them |
| 01:25.46 | Shirik|AFK | Fairly good quality & cheap for after you broke all of the ones you get: http://www.amazon.com/DAddario-Helicore-Violin-Medium-Strings/dp/B0002D08OI |
| 01:25.46 | Wobin | they don't appear to sell their own strings |
| 01:25.46 | Shirik|AFK | because you will break them |
| 01:25.46 | Wobin | *TWANG* |
| 01:25.46 | Shirik|AFK | that's no offense to you, it just happens |
| 01:25.47 | Shirik|AFK | it's more fun when you break it during a concert |
| 01:25.59 | Wobin | then trying to play -around- the string =P |
| 01:25.59 | Thunder_Child | kinda makes you wonder...i mean they are twisted metal... |
| 01:26.06 | Wobin | oh they hurt |
| 01:26.10 | Shirik|AFK | I actually had someone playing in front of me break their bridge while playing |
| 01:26.30 | Shirik|AFK | we were video taping it |
| 01:26.36 | Shirik|AFK | you can still see it shoot across and hit a chair |
| 01:26.37 | kd3 | *crunch* |
| 01:26.49 | Shirik|AFK | it was pretty awesome |
| 01:26.52 | Wobin | terrible noise =( |
| 01:26.54 | Shirik|AFK | and he kept playing like nothing happened |
| 01:27.03 | Shirik|AFK | ^ sign of an intelligent player :) |
| 01:27.29 | Wobin | "Do Not Draw Attention To Oneself" =P |
| 01:27.52 | Shirik|AFK | It's a side effect of "If you screw up, don't look at yourself with disappointment during a concert." |
| 01:28.04 | Wobin | or "Act Like It Was Supposed To Happen That Way" |
| 01:28.05 | Shirik|AFK | One of my teachers' corrolaries to that was "Look at your stand partner instead" |
| 01:28.33 | Wobin | hehe the latter one there |
| 01:28.41 | Wobin | ruined a piano for the Sydney Opera House |
| 01:28.45 | Shirik|AFK | anyway Thunder_Child, good luck with your purchase :) |
| 01:28.49 | Dagmar | Oh sneaky |
| 01:28.58 | Shirik|AFK | If I give you any one tip, I'll tell you this |
| 01:29.00 | Wobin | we were doing the LotR Symphony |
| 01:29.02 | Shirik|AFK | Play with confidence |
| 01:29.13 | Shirik|AFK | Playing quietly or timidly because you're afraid to screw up will just make it sound worse |
| 01:29.14 | Thunder_Child | meh, i would rather play with enjoyment |
| 01:29.18 | Wobin | and one part had someone open an upright, and run a chain up and down the strings |
| 01:29.30 | Shirik|AFK | playing loud will actually make it sound better, for more reasons than just that of confidence |
| 01:29.40 | Dagmar | *snicker* |
| 01:29.45 | Wobin | Unfortunately, no one had informed the SOH that this was required to provide them with a cheap piano =\ |
| 01:29.48 | Shirik|AFK | (After you play well, then you can learn to make it soft and still sound good) |
| 01:29.58 | Shirik|AFK | Playing well loud is a lot easier than playing well quietly |
| 01:29.59 | Shirik|AFK | a LOT |
| 01:30.22 | Dagmar | I don't know about louder == better unless you're playing death metal, but definitely you have to pretend you know what you're doing. |
| 01:30.32 | Shirik|AFK | no it's true |
| 01:30.37 | Wobin | also, if you start learning, and play timidly, you will -never- end up playing well, cause it'll still sound like crap =( |
| 01:30.43 | Shirik|AFK | and it basically has to do with the way the bow vibrates the string |
| 01:30.49 | Dagmar | Unless you bite into the instrument and shake it like a terrier, more than half the audience wouldn't know anything was wrong anyway |
| 01:31.03 | Wobin | Dagmar: and not even then, with some audiences =) |
| 01:31.11 | Shirik|AFK | Well, Dagmar, Apocalyptica manages to do that |
| 01:31.16 | Shirik|AFK | and still do quite well |
| 01:31.18 | Dagmar | Heheh |
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| 01:34.08 | Wobin | hm, all the guns are starting to look a bit samey |
| 01:34.19 | tekkub | you mean like little cannons? |
| 01:34.26 | Wobin | plus blade |
| 01:34.40 | tekkub | go for the shoveltusk staff |
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| 01:35.40 | Dagmar | Well, guns *are* little cannons to a degree. |
| 01:35.59 | tekkub | yea but, they literally LOOK like a cannon with a handle |
| 01:36.25 | Dagmar | That would be if you're horde. |
| 01:37.27 | Dagmar | Desperation: 2-manning Ahune for his scythe with a Hunter |
| 01:37.46 | Wobin | hehe http://notalwaysright.com/och-a-communal-kilt/2132 |
| 01:38.10 | Wobin | Dagmar: not like Ahune is particularly difficult |
| 01:38.14 | Wobin | if you're a healer =P |
| 01:38.40 | Wobin | although I'm highly irritated at his frost immunity |
| 01:38.41 | Dagmar | It's a right bitch any way you slice it, although I've not tried soloing him again since two nights ago |
| 01:38.56 | Dagmar | Five people make it a cakewalk. 2-manning, not so much |
| 01:39.10 | Thunder_Child | Are you as pumped about the Transformers sequel as I am? Oh man! Is it a car? Is it a robot? Is it a big noisy mess with no story, characters, or plot? There's only one way to find out, and it will only cost you $10 plus gas and concessions. Go shininess and sounds!" <- so very true |
| 01:39.38 | Arrowmaster | pff i still want to go see it |
| 01:39.38 | Dagmar | Yeah my gf always acts like she's had her hands glued to the inside of her robes when frost immune mobs come up |
| 01:40.02 | Dagmar | "I KNOW YOU DIDN'T UNLEARN YOUR FIRE SPELLS, WOMAN." |
| 01:40.37 | Wobin | Dagmar: it's -so- hard to remove frost damage from my dps rotation as a DK |
| 01:40.39 | kd3 | frostfire bolt <3 |
| 01:40.51 | Wobin | cause it's such a habit >< |
| 01:40.52 | tekkub | don't you know if you use fire spell they thaw your hands and make the frost spells after less potent |
| 01:41.05 | tekkub | they kinda turn into water spouts instead of frost bolts |
| 01:41.15 | Wobin | SELZTER FIGHT! |
| 01:41.19 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:41.32 | Dagmar | What gets me is that she acted suprised he was immune |
| 01:41.32 | tekkub | toss in some conjured cream pies |
| 01:41.54 | Dagmar | Like we didn't just spend a minute laughing at people slipping on the ice, and oh yes, the great big ice cube he came out of |
| 01:41.56 | kd3 | ! |
| 01:42.49 | tekkub | if he got frozen in an ice cube, it sounds to me like he's *very* vunerable to ice |
| 01:43.21 | Dagmar | I'd probably have an easier time if I actually took my +fr gear, respec'd to pet tank, and actually made an effort to keep the monkey closer to Ahune |
| 01:43.37 | Wobin | the toss back is annoying |
| 01:43.46 | Wobin | I just keep the pet out of it til the core |
| 01:43.55 | Wobin | but that's with others taking the knocks =P |
| 01:44.06 | Dagmar | I kept winding up with all those annoying little ice elementals around me |
| 01:44.18 | Dagmar | wtb extra cooldowns for immolation trap |
| 01:44.29 | Wobin | one shot them before they get there =P |
| 01:44.40 | Dagmar | There's too many, even for a hunter's high rate of fire. |
| 01:45.12 | Dagmar | ...unless you'd like the fight to take ages from only shooting the big elemental about four times a minute |
| 01:45.18 | Dagmar | Not worth it. |
| 01:45.51 | Dagmar | I might even get desperate enough to try it *sober* |
| 01:45.53 | Wobin | why dps ahune in the first phase at all? |
| 01:46.11 | Dagmar | Because I was too lazy to read wowwiki. ;) |
| 01:46.46 | Dagmar | When you're geared for Naxx+ and ther'es five of you, the only strategy you really need is "point the gun away from your face" |
| 01:47.47 | Dagmar | I really do prefer trying to just figure things out on my own |
| 01:48.19 | Dagmar | ...plus there's the thrill of getting away with certain things in an incredibly flippant manner. |
| 01:48.19 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:48.20 | Wobin | If a rogue uses Shadowstep on the core, there is a large possibility that the rogue will get stuck inside the base and eventually be killed when Ahune respawns. Should this happen but the rogue survives until Ahune is defeated, he'll still be stuck. The best course of action is to pull another mob close to the base so that the rogue may shadowstep to it |
| 01:48.36 | Wobin | fail |
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| 01:49.07 | Arrowmaster | my friend kept getting stuck last year |
| 01:49.10 | Arrowmaster | never died though |
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| 02:02.09 | bleeter | Legorol: http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2009/06/25/80825_todays-news.html |
| 02:03.03 | Dagmar | Oh that's rich |
| 02:03.40 | kd3 | son of a |
| 02:03.53 | kd3 | log in... get a loading screen. soon as that's done, get a second loading screen |
| 02:03.58 | kd3 | yay for dying right as I log in |
| 02:04.07 | Dagmar | Where'd you logout then? |
| 02:04.18 | kd3 | crashed in a mob camp |
| 02:04.19 | bleeter | lol @ crop circles from wallabies on opium |
| 02:04.51 | Dagmar | That's right. Drugs can lead to the formation of crop circles. |
| 02:05.26 | bleeter | Dagmar: Tasmania's one of, if not the, biggest legal opium producing places in the world. the wallabies get into the crops and.. yeah.. real high, man ;) |
| 02:05.44 | bleeter | basically hop around in circles hehe |
| 02:06.21 | bleeter | yeah, in the article.. 50% of worlds morphine n stuff derived from tassie poppies |
| 02:08.56 | kd3 | lmao at them using 'high as a kite' in the article |
| 02:11.00 | Dagmar | They'd have to be |
| 02:11.11 | Dagmar | You know they'd be eating until they couldn't see straight to eat any more |
| 02:12.15 | bleeter | kd3: what's that skip? you're off your face?? ;) |
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| 02:33.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|AFK, what do the different gauge's of strings do? |
| 02:34.22 | Dagmar | They control what breed of cat it sounds like you're disemboweling. |
| 02:35.10 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 02:35.12 | Thunder_Child | sounds about right |
| 02:37.20 | Arrowmaster | http://notalwaysright.com/becoming-familiar-with-fiber/2073 |
| 02:38.37 | Thunder_Child | i need SC2 to come out...i havent played a good rts in a while |
| 02:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: /agree |
| 02:43.32 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: "i havent played a good rts in a while" isn't a good excuse to want SC2. sick to death of stupid bugs in wow and wanting to know if Blizz really HAVE lost the plot, is ;) :P |
| 02:43.45 | Dagmar | There was a plot? |
| 02:43.55 | Thunder_Child | that isnt a good enough excuse? |
| 02:44.00 | Thunder_Child | i call BS |
| 02:44.06 | bleeter | Dagmar: their marketing dept. seem to claim so ... hmmm maybe you're right then ;) |
| 02:44.27 | Dagmar | I thought it was One Young Dwarf's Neverending Quest For Phat Loots. |
| 02:44.28 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: you're saying SC1 isn't good? |
| 02:45.14 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, when did i say that? |
| 02:53.34 | Nechckn | I heard it, Thunder_Child U r dE deVil!! |
| 02:54.43 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, well yes...but what does that have toi do with wanting SC2? |
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| 03:04.34 | Nechckn | um... everything!!! |
| 03:04.40 | Nechckn | Or not. |
| 03:04.49 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.01 | Thunder_Child | glad you cleared that up |
| 03:08.46 | Nechckn | me 2! |
| 03:09.31 | Wobin | http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/24/the-blue-and-the-green/ |
| 03:09.33 | Wobin | crazy =P |
| 03:11.01 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: was kinda inferrable :P |
| 03:12.13 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:12.34 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, from what? all i said is that i havent played a good one in a while |
| 03:12.47 | Thunder_Child | while ~= 6 months |
| 03:13.33 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: the :P is meant to indicate if you didn't get my playful tone first time around, I'm really trying to get you to notice it now without having to explicitly mention it in a comment such as this one |
| 03:14.54 | Nechckn | No way, I heard it. Attack, sheepy, attack!! |
| 03:15.06 | Nechckn | Wobin that is totally wild. |
| 03:17.32 | Nechckn | that was right before Thunder_Child said your wool was extra scratchy, in fact. |
| 03:25.06 | bleeter | Iriel: http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200906/r389982_1822390.jpg |
| 03:25.12 | Dagmar | What's that a euphemism for, do you suppose? |
| 03:25.25 | bleeter | Iriel: apparently taken yesterday from the ISS, some volcano in Japan.. dunno if you've seen the shot from elsewhere |
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| 03:25.57 | Corrodias | it looks like somebody splooged on a cloud |
| 03:26.01 | bleeter | Iriel: raaar actually.. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=38985 |
| 03:26.05 | bleeter | the 'original' |
| 03:28.53 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 03:28.55 | Fisker | my rage face |
| 03:35.33 | Fisker | kicks bleeter in the balls then |
| 03:39.03 | Fisker | harasses bleeter |
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| 04:33.42 | Wobin | Treguna, Mekoides, Trecorum Satis De... |
| 04:36.11 | End | Iriel's devtools had /reload, didn't it? |
| 04:36.16 | End | I keep trying to type /reload on PTR |
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| 04:36.19 | End | but it's /reloadui I want |
| 04:36.23 | Wobin | not /rl? |
| 04:36.33 | End | oops |
| 04:36.38 | End | irssi doesn't know a /rl |
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| 05:33.34 | tekkub | End: my /realod is better :P |
| 05:33.48 | End | is it spelled /realod? |
| 05:34.00 | tekkub | that's my point |
| 05:34.00 | Spellbinder | reload if anything |
| 05:34.05 | Spellbinder | oh |
| 05:34.07 | tekkub | I can't type reload on the first try |
| 05:34.08 | kd3 | it must be a real LOD addon, not one of those fake ones |
| 05:34.09 | tekkub | ever |
| 05:34.24 | End | lol, do you just have all the spells of reload? |
| 05:34.37 | tekkub | no I use /rl |
| 05:34.43 | End | oh, ok |
| 05:34.48 | End | boring! |
| 05:34.56 | tekkub | and I still say spew's prettier than /dump |
| 05:35.18 | End | I never get around to trying out spew |
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| 06:16.41 | tekkub | any dual wielding shamans in here? |
| 06:16.48 | tekkub | I gotsda question |
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| 06:27.42 | Shirik|AFK | tackles tekkub |
| 06:27.57 | tekkub | is that a "yes I'm a dual wielding chamois"? |
| 06:28.04 | Shirik|AFK | negative |
| 06:28.06 | Shirik|AFK | shamans suck |
| 06:28.13 | tekkub | *sigh* |
| 06:28.15 | tekkub | yes, they do |
| 06:28.27 | tekkub | and I need to know if I need to implement this differently for the fuckers |
| 06:30.38 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: what do you need to know? |
| 06:30.46 | kd3|hate`net | groans |
| 06:31.02 | tekkub | do you use the same temp enchant on both all the time, or do you use different ones? |
| 06:33.28 | tekkub | from elitist jerks, it sounds like it's either WF-WF or WF-FT |
| 06:33.56 | tekkub | so I guess it need to be configurable for both |
| 06:34.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i honestly don't know for sure, sorry. :\ |
| 06:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, wf/wf & wf/ft would be the two alternatives. |
| 06:34.48 | tekkub | so you'd need to be able to choose each separately |
| 06:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "An exception has occurred in the compiler (1.5.0_18). Please file a bug at the.." etc etc etc |
| 06:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Neat. I broke Java without any real effort! |
| 06:35.55 | kd3 | doesn't it take looking at it wrong? |
| 06:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | From what I can tell |
| 06:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all I did |
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| 06:37.35 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: quickly perusing EJ, it looks like WF/FT is the standard setup at 80. |
| 06:38.05 | Shirik|AFK | ScytheBlade1: Not that hard tbh |
| 06:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 06:38.24 | Shirik|AFK | look back in older commits, you'll see random java crash dumps all over the place |
| 06:38.25 | tekkub | I just needed to know if they ever used different ones, they do |
| 06:38.28 | tekkub | so yea |
| 06:38.32 | tekkub | I have to make two configs |
| 06:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll have that OSX issues patched w.r.t. your comments once I fix it |
| 06:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I just need to reboot and fix some system packges |
| 06:39.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *issue |
| 06:41.16 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: whats this for, out of curiosity? |
| 06:41.22 | tekkub | Cork |
| 06:41.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
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| 06:44.43 | tekkub | twerks! |
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| 07:06.18 | WobNet | tekkub: yay shaman weapon buffs |
| 07:06.35 | tekkub | wait for it... |
| 07:06.39 | tekkub | BAM |
| 07:06.50 | tekkub | *points at #dongle* |
| 07:07.00 | Thunder_Child | ewww |
| 07:07.03 | Shirik|AFK | all I see is a bunch of git spam |
| 07:07.08 | Shirik|AFK | why would I want to see that? |
| 07:07.48 | zenzio | maybe he thinks you have a git spam fetish? |
| 07:08.20 | haste | but... |
| 07:08.26 | haste | git spam is so hot |
| 07:08.27 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/116664 |
| 07:08.38 | haste | it tingles when I see it! |
| 07:09.23 | tekkub | IsSpellKnown |
| 07:09.24 | tekkub | lawl |
| 07:09.50 | haste | @gxApi", -- default: "GLL" -- wat? |
| 07:09.53 | haste | GLL? |
| 07:10.01 | kd3 | ! |
| 07:10.28 | tekkub | God Loves Lizards |
| 07:10.46 | haste | lots of new nice cvars |
| 07:10.47 | zenzio | Graphical Lua Language |
| 07:11.13 | tekkub | Gooey Love uhm |
| 07:11.21 | tekkub | shit |
| 07:11.25 | tekkub | thank you brain |
| 07:11.36 | haste | Gooey Love Liquid! |
| 07:11.38 | Grum | Lube obviously tekkub |
| 07:11.41 | tekkub | you just fucking ruined that |
| 07:11.51 | tekkub | lube is too obvious |
| 07:11.51 | haste | >:( |
| 07:12.05 | batrick | Sure would be nice if vertical split was in GNU Screen already. |
| 07:12.50 | kd3 | "Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?" "But leather chaps chafe me so, Brain" |
| 07:12.50 | krka | We eat the box, kd3? |
| 07:12.50 | Thunder_Child | Geosyncronys Levitating Leviathans |
| 07:12.50 | kd3 | hm? |
| 07:12.51 | krka | I think so, , but three round meals a day wouldn't be as hard to swallow. |
| 07:12.51 | End | heh |
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| 07:12.51 | End | target caster bar is default on |
| 07:12.51 | krka | Well, I think so Brain, but what if we stick to the seat covers? |
| 07:12.51 | End | I had no idea it was default off before |
| 07:12.53 | Thunder_Child | geosynchronous* |
| 07:12.55 | tekkub | kd3.. my fav... "Sure Brain, but me and Cher? What would the children look like? But they'd be loved..." |
| 07:13.00 | krka | Umm, I think so, Don Cerebro, but, umm, why would Sophia Loren do a musical? |
| 07:13.11 | krka | Umm, I think so, Brain, but what if the chicken won't wear the nylons? |
| 07:13.15 | krka | Uh, I think so, Brain, but I get all clammy inside the tent. |
| 07:13.31 | tekkub | local zzz = IsResting() |
| 07:13.38 | tekkub | if not zzz then |
| 07:13.39 | Thunder_Child | I think so brain but how do we get the rubber pants on the monkeys? |
| 07:13.51 | krka | men var rätt intressant ändå |
| 07:13.54 | krka | Uh, I think so, Brain, but balancing a family and a career ... ooh, it's all too much for me. |
| 07:13.59 | kd3 | zomg yuki playing a violin |
| 07:14.02 | krka | I think so, Brain *NARF*, but don't camels spit a lot? |
| 07:14.05 | krka | Yes Brain, but if our knees bent the other way, how would we ride a bicycle? |
| 07:14.10 | WobNet | ~thinkingwhatImthinking |
| 07:14.25 | krka | I think so, Brain, but we're already naked. |
| 07:14.27 | WobNet | I could swear purl has one |
| 07:14.31 | WobNet | ~thinking |
| 07:14.32 | krka | i has one |
| 07:14.37 | kd3 | ~pinky |
| 07:14.37 | purl | And what are we going to do tomorrow night, Pinky? |
| 07:14.53 | WobNet | ~brain |
| 07:14.53 | purl | somebody said brain was a very useful device. It is advised that you ensure your brain is switched to the "on" position before continuing. If you need assistance, please consult your directory. This is a recording. |
| 07:15.07 | kd3 | ~factinfo pinky |
| 07:15.07 | purl | pinky -- created by doughecka <~rooot@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net> at Thu Nov 20 02:48:50 2003 (2044 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by kd3, 30s ago. |
| 07:15.15 | kd3 | ~literal pinky |
| 07:15.15 | purl | "pinky" is "<reply> And what are we going to do tomorrow night, Pinky?" |
| 07:15.16 | WobNet | wow 3 times =P |
| 07:15.18 | zenzio | quite popular |
| 07:15.29 | kd3 | wow. way to fire off a shot in the dark... |
| 07:15.32 | kd3 | back to 2003 |
| 07:15.39 | krka | trigger with "are you thinking what i'm thinking?" |
| 07:16.03 | kd3 | hokay, wow. 0315... time to sleep |
| 07:17.46 | haste | I think the request thingy has been reset over the years |
| 07:18.18 | krka | I think so, Brain, but Tuesday Weld isn't a complete sentence. |
| 07:18.44 | krka | I think so, Brain, but calling it pu-pu platter? Huh, what were they thinking? |
| 07:18.50 | krka | We eat the box, Brain? |
| 07:19.02 | krka | I think so, Brain, but wouldn't his movies be more suitable for children if he was named Jean-Claude van Darn? |
| 07:20.41 | Thunder_Child | i think krka is broken |
| 07:20.43 | Thunder_Child | LUA |
| 07:20.44 | krka | Thunder_Child: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA :-D |
| 07:20.54 | krka | I think so, Thunder_Child, but Zero Mostel times anything will still give you Zero Mostel. |
| 07:22.11 | tekkub | http://www.johnnywander.com/ |
| 07:22.15 | haste | writes a irssi script that will make him say LUA all the time, even if whe writes lua. |
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| 07:31.11 | End | with his current responder, just criticize him for saying LUA |
| 07:31.15 | krka | End: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. ^_^ |
| 07:31.21 | End | krka: PLEASE DON'T SAY LUA |
| 07:31.22 | End | SAY lua |
| 07:31.24 | End | thanks |
| 07:32.17 | Elkano | LUA is "Lua Used as Acronym" |
| 07:36.28 | Shirik|AFK | ow |
| 07:36.41 | Shirik|AFK | looking at the sun is dangerous, everyone knows that |
| 07:36.49 | nevcairiel | you do too, now? |
| 07:36.50 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 07:36.51 | Shirik|AFK | but looking a picture of the sun on my laptop is also hurting my eyes :/ |
| 07:37.12 | Shirik|AFK | Thunder_Child: ping |
| 07:37.42 | Thunder_Child | LUA is Shirik|AFK pong |
| 07:37.51 | Shirik|AFK | do you know what a flare is? |
| 07:37.58 | Thunder_Child | lens flare? |
| 07:37.59 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/116665 |
| 07:38.01 | Shirik|AFK | yes |
| 07:38.05 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 07:38.14 | Shirik|AFK | do you think it's good to have in a shot or not? |
| 07:38.18 | Shirik|AFK | I've heard both sides |
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| 07:38.51 | Thunder_Child | well good is something of an opnion |
| 07:39.02 | Thunder_Child | i guess i would say it depend son the shot |
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| 07:48.36 | Shirik|AFK | I really need to get a grad ND filter |
| 07:48.49 | Shirik|AFK | took some sunset shots today and it's really being a pain |
| 07:48.55 | Shirik|AFK | everything's either overexposed or underexposed |
| 07:49.02 | Shirik|AFK | trying to touch it up but only so much you can do |
| 07:50.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|AFK, DO MOAR! |
| 07:50.56 | Shirik|AFK | :( |
| 07:51.00 | Shirik|AFK | I gives up |
| 07:51.18 | Shirik|AFK | maybe I'll go work for canon, help them make some kind of CCD that can capture 10 stops |
| 07:51.30 | Shirik|AFK | then they'll give me the camera for free |
| 07:51.33 | Shirik|AFK | and I'll be happy for life |
| 07:51.38 | Thunder_Child | and here i thought you were not an EE |
| 07:51.49 | Shirik|AFK | I'm a computer engineer / |
| 07:51.50 | Shirik|AFK | :/ |
| 07:51.54 | Shirik|AFK | That's almost EE |
| 07:51.59 | Thunder_Child | CCD is EE not CE |
| 07:52.07 | Shirik|AFK | It involves CE too! |
| 07:52.27 | Shirik|AFK | I took a lot of the EE classes |
| 07:52.33 | Shirik|AFK | isn't a CCD just a bunch of phototransistors? |
| 07:52.51 | Thunder_Child | not a clue |
| 07:53.01 | Thunder_Child | though i wouldnt mind doing some EE/ME myself |
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| 07:53.53 | Shirik|AFK | "he photoactive region of the CCD is, generally, an epitaxial layer of silicon. It has a doping of p+ (Boron) and is grown upon the substrate material, often p++. " |
| 07:54.07 | Shirik|AFK | sounds like a phototransistor or photodiode |
| 07:54.42 | Shirik|AFK | talking about p-n junctions and all that |
| 07:55.24 | Shirik|AFK | batrick! You should know! |
| 07:55.36 | Shirik|AFK | CCD? Made of phototransistors? |
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| 07:56.49 | Shirik|AFK | All the IEEE documentation I can find suggests that they're made out of either phototransistors or photodiodes |
| 07:57.31 | Shirik|AFK | (considering a transistor is, at its heart, two diodes tacked against each other in opposite directions, that's fairly logical that both would work) |
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| 08:52.53 | batbot | End, duck is correct. |
| 08:52.58 | End | yes, yes it is |
| 08:53.01 | End | duck is always correct |
| 08:55.29 | WobNet | time to start baking ghetto cookies |
| 08:55.39 | End | o_O |
| 08:55.47 | WobNet | I have no measuring cups in the house |
| 08:56.00 | End | ahh |
| 08:56.10 | WobNet | so, this recipe is largely guesswork =) |
| 08:56.11 | End | I have measuring cups. |
| 08:56.15 | End | But they're unused! :( |
| 08:56.28 | WobNet | you should start baking! |
| 08:56.29 | End | but that's because everything I make is ghetto |
| 08:56.38 | WobNet | is making ginger cookies |
| 08:56.50 | End | I have no idea how to bake |
| 08:56.54 | End | well |
| 08:57.05 | End | I..uh.. know how to preheat the oven |
| 08:57.19 | WobNet | this is a good start! |
| 08:57.22 | End | hehe |
| 08:57.36 | WobNet | I say it's worth giving a try =) |
| 08:57.41 | WobNet | try something simple like brownies |
| 08:57.50 | WobNet | and if it tastes bleh, just add more chocolate |
| 08:57.51 | End | hm |
| 08:58.00 | End | I might at some point |
| 08:58.03 | WobNet | (and use real chocolate instead of cocoa powder) |
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| 11:48.16 | WobNet | ... about 80 cookies later... |
| 11:48.34 | zenzio | that's a lot of porn site tracking cookies WobNet |
| 11:48.43 | WobNet | I doubled the recipe |
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| 11:56.35 | WobNet | ....40deg in Beijing? |
| 11:56.38 | WobNet | >< |
| 11:57.43 | WobNet | (104deg F) |
| 11:57.53 | haste | (F sucks) |
| 11:57.58 | WobNet | yes |
| 11:58.02 | WobNet | makes no sense |
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| 12:10.55 | Yewbacca | It's so fucking hot in Sweden, global warming sucks! I feel sticky |
| 12:11.19 | Grum | smear icecream all over yourself! |
| 12:11.34 | Yewbacca | Haha :D It's hot enough that even a shower doesn't stop the heat |
| 12:12.48 | Grum | well set up a cam, do icecream smearing and you can even make money of it!!! |
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| 12:27.40 | WobNet | He could make money just putting the ice cream on the webcam |
| 12:27.55 | WobNet | This is the Internet, remember? |
| 12:28.36 | Yewbacca | I have absolutely no idea what is going on. Nobody tells me anything! Why is there a guy on IRC talking about ice cream?! |
| 12:28.41 | Yewbacca | Oops that was meant to be my internal voice. |
| 12:28.50 | Yewbacca | is sane. |
| 12:34.03 | WobNet | Inside voice, Yewbacca, -Inside- voice... |
| 12:34.28 | Yewbacca | tilts his head shyly and moves in for the kiss. |
| 12:34.31 | Yewbacca | wrong channel!!! |
| 12:35.44 | WobNet | hm |
| 12:35.53 | WobNet | photo manipulation with a trackpad |
| 12:35.54 | Yewbacca | !api time |
| 12:35.54 | lua_bot | time: Returns the numeric time value for a described date/time (or the current time) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/time) |
| 12:35.59 | WobNet | this may end in tears |
| 12:36.00 | Yewbacca | Ouh that sounds painful |
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| 12:50.09 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio! |
| 12:50.24 | zenzio | hai! |
| 12:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying to help you pack your suitcase, long distance, but I'm too early! |
| 12:50.53 | Cruciformer | mornin everyone |
| 12:51.19 | zenzio | you are indeed; approximately one week early |
| 12:56.44 | Yewbacca | jnwhiteh |
| 12:56.50 | Yewbacca | Good day |
| 12:58.39 | jnwhiteh | Hello |
| 12:58.43 | jnwhiteh | whats up? |
| 12:59.38 | Yewbacca | I had an interesting idea last night, you had gone to bed though. I'll show you in a sec. Do you know how to get the time it took for an event to execute? |
| 13:01.21 | jnwhiteh | as in for all the event handlers on the entire system to run for that given event? |
| 13:01.33 | Yewbacca | Upon further inspection, that does not seem to be the problem. Hmm, going to verify if it's a localtime vs servertime issue. |
| 13:01.53 | Yewbacca | Nah, nevermind the question, it looks like it's a servertime issue :) |
| 13:02.05 | Yewbacca | Gonna try setting my clock badly and compare again |
| 13:02.09 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 13:03.22 | Yewbacca | Yep that was it. Hrm. Alright I'll show you now. It was divine inspiration until I discovered this. |
| 13:04.15 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 13:04.25 | Cruciformer | "divine inspiration" is what poet like Samuel Taylor Colerige called their opium trips :) |
| 13:05.13 | Yewbacca | here we go http://pastebin.ca/1474184 |
| 13:05.23 | Yewbacca | It was brilliant, until I discovered what the combat log timestamp was. |
| 13:05.29 | Yewbacca | ie server time. |
| 13:05.53 | Yewbacca | I could possiby get a server vs local time offset in SECONDS, then subtract that from the offset I built. |
| 13:05.53 | Cruciformer | that link gives me a blank page? |
| 13:06.16 | Yewbacca | That should still give nice milliseconds |
| 13:06.20 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer really? :S |
| 13:06.25 | jnwhiteh | works for me |
| 13:06.36 | Cruciformer | yessir in both firefox and internet exploiter |
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| 13:06.49 | Cruciformer | and I am very interested in what u r doing too |
| 13:07.24 | Yewbacca | I'll repost it to pastebin.com and maybe we can figure out some solution too. The other method for milliseconds is stupid (waiting for server time to tick over, lol) |
| 13:07.26 | Cruciformer | same thing in chrome. weird. |
| 13:07.45 | Yewbacca | http://pastebin.com/d1d92fb22 |
| 13:08.00 | jnwhiteh | You could iterate the entire system, unregistering COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED from all frames, ever |
| 13:08.05 | jnwhiteh | Then register a frame for it |
| 13:08.14 | jnwhiteh | get the information you need |
| 13:08.28 | jnwhiteh | and then restore the state of the system, replaying teh data from teh event you "captured" |
| 13:08.33 | jnwhiteh | that would minimize interference |
| 13:08.40 | jnwhiteh | but still not sure how much it buys you :P |
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| 13:09.53 | Yewbacca | That wasn't the problem after all, but yeah interesting idea had that been the issue, removing the delay and then re-registering it for others. But nah the problem is that timestmap in the combat log event is server time, and time() is local time :/ |
| 13:10.03 | Cruciformer | how do I paste in there myself? |
| 13:11.10 | Yewbacca | Milliseconds is supposed to be global (worldwide). Maybe do something else, like: Offset = time() - GetTime() + (the decimals from the server_timestamp - GetTime()); |
| 13:11.10 | Cruciformer | nvm I got it. This is what I did http://pastebin.com/d11ad8078 |
| 13:11.10 | Cruciformer | I thin we're trying to do much the same thing |
| 13:11.10 | Yewbacca | But then again, we almost run into the same problem we had yesterday, of the milliseconds not having the right system-meaning |
| 13:11.14 | jnwhiteh | yep |
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| 13:11.43 | jnwhiteh | Why doesn't storing the current GetTime() when the local system time clicks over work? |
| 13:12.12 | Cruciformer | except inmine I was just going for hhmmss I didnt need past ss but you can get ms by removing floor() |
| 13:12.21 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: It does |
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| 13:12.26 | Yewbacca | It works but is really slow, taking up to 59 seconds to occur... Had this frickin timestamp been local, there wouldn't ahve been this problem ;) Th |
| 13:12.37 | Yewbacca | Combat log hooking = way faster. damn the timestmap though :/ |
| 13:12.42 | jnwhiteh | well it doesn't make sense for it to be local |
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| 13:12.49 | jnwhiteh | it makes sense for it to be the server timestamp |
| 13:13.19 | Yewbacca | Hmm, you mean it's the time the server sent the event at? |
| 13:13.24 | Yewbacca | If so then it's a delayed value too. |
| 13:13.32 | Yewbacca | Ie server sends a packet with the timestmap in it |
| 13:13.44 | jnwhiteh | all events come from the server, so do all teh arguments :P |
| 13:13.46 | alestane | That way you can compare two players' combat logs in a meaningful way. |
| 13:14.01 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: what are you needing high precision time for anyway? Does it matter that its delayed a bit from the server? |
| 13:14.03 | Fisker | i hate you jnwhiteh |
| 13:14.06 | Lopeppeppy | compares alestane's combat log in a meaningful way! |
| 13:14.10 | Yewbacca | jnwhiteh Ahhh then I give up even IF I had been able to calculate a good timestamp. Damn this would have been BRILLIANT if it was local time ;) |
| 13:14.45 | Yewbacca | Seems watching for the server to tick is the best way... but then you have resolution problems, ie OnUpdate does not run faster than fps |
| 13:14.46 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Look out, you're starting to sound like zenzelezz. |
| 13:14.46 | alestane | *hugs'n'more hugs* |
| 13:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | If zenzelezz flirts with you this shamelessly, I'll have to call him out! |
| 13:15.45 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer This came from a fun excercise yesterday when we discussed trying to get a local timestamp with milliseconds hehe, that's all. |
| 13:15.55 | Yewbacca | Just geeking, not really useful |
| 13:16.11 | Yewbacca | I am still miffed that this didn't work as well as it could have, hehe. |
| 13:16.18 | alestane | ... |
| 13:16.26 | alestane | ...okay, that's one for you. |
| 13:16.47 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: I think that code I pasted could give you that with a few function changes to use local time. But also only after the first minute. |
| 13:17.19 | Lopeppeppy | I wins! |
| 13:17.42 | Cruciformer | or by adjusting the offset between GetGameTime() and date("*t") |
| 13:18.02 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer Yeah that method seems to be the best one so far, even though it's convoluted and takes up to 59 seconds (can be a problem)... wish combat log version would have worked. |
| 13:18.12 | Yewbacca | I have a solution though. Just move to the location of the server and voila, accurate! |
| 13:18.12 | Yewbacca | ;P |
| 13:18.44 | Cruciformer | what was wrong with the combat log version? It didnt work? |
| 13:18.51 | Yewbacca | Also the method you posted will run at OnUpdate speed, which is the FPS speed, so there will be a delay of tens-hundreds of milliseconds |
| 13:19.10 | Yewbacca | Yes the timestamp from combat log is a high-res time() with milliseconds, BUT turned out it's the server's time :/ |
| 13:19.12 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: Only until the offset has been calculated |
| 13:19.12 | Aelobin | Yewbacca: using an OnUpdate, keep doing time() until it changes by 1, then at that point store time() and GetTime(). Then to get nearly accurate milliseconds do stored_time + (GetTime() - store_gettime) |
| 13:19.27 | Aelobin | that's the solution i came up with last night :p |
| 13:19.54 | Aelobin | though the accuracy will depend on how big your OnUpdate elapsed times are |
| 13:19.57 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: theres your solution then. simply get the difference between server time and local time, add/subtract from teh CL time and voila. |
| 13:20.02 | Yewbacca | That's what I mean :P OnUpdate is not accurate |
| 13:20.09 | Aelobin | it's as close as youll get :P |
| 13:20.13 | Fisker | I WILL DESTROY THE WORLD |
| 13:20.17 | Cruciformer | you only need to do it once, and thereafter you simply do time() - offset |
| 13:20.26 | Kraps | i want this spec http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Feathermoon&n=Dartreez |
| 13:20.38 | Aelobin | you need to watch when time() goes up by 1 to see when the seconds are at 0 (and presumably the milliseconds) then you can use your millisecond offset on top of that |
| 13:20.39 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer Yeah I thought about that earlier but that means that we have the milliseconds from the server, not local, so it's meaning less |
| 13:21.03 | alestane | I got a strange impression from seeing "You only need to do it once" as a response to "I WILL DESTROY THE WORLD" |
| 13:21.24 | Yewbacca | The only reason we'd want milliseconds is for some sort of geekery or accurate display of current time (lol who watches milliseconds?) for everything else there is previoustime = GetTime(); timedifference = GetTime() - previoustime |
| 13:21.50 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: Not at all. The difference between you and the server is measured in hours. So you use GetGameTime() or whatever, versus date ("*t") ... calculate the offset between local time and server time |
| 13:21.55 | Gnarfoz | where did you get the idea that combatlog timestamps are server time? |
| 13:22.13 | Yewbacca | Thought the combat log event time was the time that the game client received the message. Sadly not. |
| 13:22.18 | Cruciformer | and thereafter you can call time(), adjust for the offset and you will have server time with ms accuracy relative to your clock |
| 13:22.32 | Gnarfoz | they are most certainly client system time, otherwise combatlog analysers like WWS/WMO/WoL wouldn't have to adjust for time drift and time going backwards because of Windows syncing time via NTP during logging |
| 13:22.43 | Yewbacca | Gnarfoz they are server time. |
| 13:22.51 | Gnarfoz | also, combatlog merging would be idiotically easy |
| 13:22.54 | Gnarfoz | they are not |
| 13:22.55 | Aelobin | remember that GetTime() milliseconds may not be correct for real time(), hence monitoring time() for a change :P |
| 13:23.02 | Yewbacca | Try setting your local clock to something crazy, and look at timestamp (from cobmat log event ) and time() |
| 13:23.04 | Yewbacca | totally different. |
| 13:23.08 | Gnarfoz | if they were, everyone and their mother would have combatlog merging :p |
| 13:23.17 | Yewbacca | But it is. Look at it: |
| 13:23.19 | Yewbacca | http://pastebin.com/d1d92fb22 |
| 13:23.29 | Yewbacca | Line #1 = added when I realized it was server time |
| 13:23.42 | Yewbacca | timestamp on line 19 = server |
| 13:23.50 | Aelobin | although in the OnUpdate, when you finally notice a time() difference, you could half the elapsed value, and take that from the stored_gettime to get a little closer to real time() accuracy :P |
| 13:23.53 | Yewbacca | Sent inside the packet received from the server. |
| 13:24.04 | Gnarfoz | you did packet analysis on wow's traffic? |
| 13:24.04 | Cruciformer | Gnarfoz: That rpoof using the negative. Just becuase few people have merging doesnt mean events arent in server time. |
| 13:24.14 | Cruciformer | *proof |
| 13:24.17 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: ? |
| 13:24.24 | Yewbacca | ALTERNATIVELY, the timestamp is calculated client-side using: microtime() (time with milliseconds) + (server offset in minutes) |
| 13:24.29 | Yewbacca | In that case we can get srever offset and win |
| 13:24.38 | Yewbacca | Because it makes little sense to send a 32 byte timestmap for every packet |
| 13:24.39 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: I could give you a ton of logs from the same raids from different people, the timestamps will *never* match |
| 13:24.41 | Cruciformer | you offered as proof that events are in local time the fact that very few people have combat log merging. Thats not valid proof. |
| 13:25.11 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: it is, if you didn't abstract my argument so much ;) |
| 13:25.13 | Yewbacca | Gnarfoz just try the code |
| 13:25.22 | Aelobin | Yewbacca: using the method i explained above, the most inaccurate you can be is half the elapsed :P |
| 13:25.25 | Yewbacca | It's server time :/ Alternatively it's local microtime() adjusted to server minutes |
| 13:25.35 | Aelobin | although all values after wouldn't float |
| 13:25.37 | Cruciformer | Gnarfoz: are they off by a few milliseconds tho as the sever timestamps each one as it is sent to the client, or are they off by minutes / seconds, enough to account for local clock skews? |
| 13:25.42 | Yewbacca | Aelobin Yeah but imagine if you had 10 fps, you'd be 100 milliseconds off at least. |
| 13:25.42 | Gnarfoz | Yewbacca: what for? I already know they can't be completely server based or there wouldn't be a difference between multiple people's combatlogs |
| 13:25.51 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: 10+seconds |
| 13:26.13 | Yewbacca | Gnarfoz because timestamp (again look like 19) is server's time, with microseconds. |
| 13:26.14 | Gnarfoz | way too much to be lag, and most windows systems are ntp-synchronized these days anyway |
| 13:26.25 | Aelobin | 10 fps = one OnUpdate per 0.1 seconds = 0.05 seconds innacuracy |
| 13:26.26 | Yewbacca | You'll see if you try the code |
| 13:26.37 | Aelobin | close as you could get for real time() milliseconds imo :P |
| 13:26.46 | Yewbacca | Hmm... |
| 13:26.57 | alestane | http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp06242009.gif |
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| 13:27.10 | Gnarfoz | as you said, part of it might be server-based, but certainly not the whole thing |
| 13:27.11 | Aelobin | and with spells being like 1+ seconds cast, i dont think 50 milliseconds would be that much of an issue |
| 13:27.32 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: With the code you posted, i am curious. You are measuring combat log time. But what if you are hopping over flagstones in shattrah. Are you getting any combat log messages? |
| 13:27.34 | Yewbacca | Knw what? :D Time to say fuck it :D It's a pointless excercise and we're not going to get the local milliseconds down to +/- 2 milliseconds. So why bother trying to get it? If we just want higher resolution "elapsed" values, we use GetTime(). |
| 13:27.38 | Aelobin | is it 50? i get confused with ms, is it 100 ms per second? :P |
| 13:27.56 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer: Pretty much everything in the game causes a combat log event, so yeah it happens very quickly, like 1-5 seconds after login |
| 13:28.03 | Yewbacca | After that, it unregisters the event when it has the offset |
| 13:28.12 | Cruciformer | sweet |
| 13:28.20 | Cruciformer | mind if I steal your code? :) |
| 13:28.26 | Yewbacca | It'd be sweet if the timestamp wasn't server-based :D |
| 13:28.30 | Yewbacca | Sure do it :D |
| 13:28.37 | Aelobin | if it's 100 ms per second then it'd only be like 5ms maximum innaccuracy at 10 fps :P |
| 13:28.42 | Cruciformer | for my purposes its ideal becuase i *WANT* server time |
| 13:30.43 | Yewbacca | -- |
| 13:30.45 | Yewbacca | -- Provides SERVER-time with microseconds. |
| 13:30.47 | Yewbacca | -- |
| 13:30.47 | Yewbacca | FUCK :D |
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| 13:30.59 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: BTW you may wanna UnregisterAllevents() and frame:Hide() your frame just to be safe |
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| 13:31.24 | Yewbacca | I had the wrong thing in clipboard and my IRC client started spamming, had to disconnect :P |
| 13:31.35 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: BTW you may wanna UnregisterAllevents() and frame:Hide() your frame just to be safe |
| 13:31.38 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer here: http://pastebin.com/d6fb3e6c1 now fix line 11 |
| 13:31.43 | Cruciformer | (in case u missed it first time) |
| 13:31.51 | Yewbacca | Why hide? It's non-drawn anyway :) |
| 13:32.11 | Gnarfoz | hidden frames don't receive events, that's what he meant, probably |
| 13:32.18 | Yewbacca | Ah right. |
| 13:32.20 | alestane | Hidden frames do receive events. |
| 13:32.29 | Yewbacca | Oh yeah, they do. |
| 13:32.30 | alestane | But they don't receive OnUpdate calls. |
| 13:32.31 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 13:32.34 | Gnarfoz | or that |
| 13:32.51 | Yewbacca | Maybe add a new line at 20: self = nil; |
| 13:32.57 | Yewbacca | that'd delete the frame |
| 13:33.03 | Gnarfoz | (where on earth did I read that hidden frames don't receive events? probably wowwiki :P) |
| 13:33.04 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 13:33.07 | jnwhiteh | you cannot delete frames |
| 13:33.09 | jnwhiteh | so no, it would not. |
| 13:33.10 | alestane | Um, no it wouldn't. |
| 13:33.13 | Cruciformer | as I discovered the other day makes no difference, frames are forever, they are not GC'ed |
| 13:33.20 | Yewbacca | Aha okay, I haven't tried it before, just assumed you could |
| 13:33.24 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 13:33.24 | Kalroth | frames and diamonds |
| 13:33.25 | alestane | It would just delete the reference to the frame. |
| 13:33.39 | Gnarfoz | wonder why that is, hm |
| 13:33.50 | Kalroth | lazy UI system |
| 13:33.54 | jnwhiteh | its not lazy |
| 13:34.04 | Kalroth | is too |
| 13:34.10 | Cruciformer | imagine if you could Deleteframe() a frame someone else owned |
| 13:34.19 | Cruciformer | carnage would ensue |
| 13:34.20 | jnwhiteh | its more natural to imlement this way in Lua |
| 13:34.29 | jnwhiteh | given the various traversals they need to make over the frame list |
| 13:34.30 | Yewbacca | Uhmm! |
| 13:34.34 | Yewbacca | I just realized something. |
| 13:34.35 | Kalroth | why? ever programmed in Windows or any other UI? |
| 13:34.38 | jnwhiteh | and /reload fixes it |
| 13:34.42 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: that's not Lua. |
| 13:34.45 | Yewbacca | No wait.. I didn't :P |
| 13:34.52 | jnwhiteh | nor is it Lua embedded in another app |
| 13:34.54 | Yewbacca | My mind is drifting almost as much as yesterday jnwhiteh |
| 13:34.59 | jnwhiteh | hehe Yewbacca |
| 13:35.08 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: Yes, they could have done a much more complex system that was more prone to issues |
| 13:35.11 | Kalroth | I know, jnwhiteh, but the language hardly should control if you should or shouldn't clean up |
| 13:35.12 | jnwhiteh | they chose to avoid that |
| 13:35.16 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: we're back to the opium dreamthing aren't we? :) |
| 13:35.19 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: its not the language |
| 13:35.29 | jnwhiteh | its the C++ implementation of their frame system |
| 13:35.30 | Kalroth | <jnwhiteh> its more natural to imlement this way in Lua |
| 13:35.53 | jnwhiteh | "in Lua" I meant in the implementation of Lua |
| 13:35.59 | Kalroth | oh |
| 13:36.01 | jnwhiteh | and the integration between the Lua engine and the C++ app |
| 13:36.05 | jnwhiteh | I'm not talking abotu writing any code in Lua :P |
| 13:36.13 | Kalroth | Yeah okay, in that way :) |
| 13:36.24 | Kalroth | Well then their Lua integration is lazy! |
| 13:36.35 | jnwhiteh | and simpler as a result. |
| 13:36.39 | jnwhiteh | they could make a more complex system, for no benefir |
| 13:36.43 | jnwhiteh | and more error prone |
| 13:36.47 | jnwhiteh | I believe they chose correctly :P |
| 13:37.21 | Kalroth | Well right now I can only play WoW continuously up to a week before I run out of space for new frames .. aha, so THATS why they got weekly downtime. |
| 13:37.22 | Cruciformer | its easy enough to create a "scratch frame pool" library |
| 13:37.29 | Kalroth | It all makes sense now, I've figured them out. |
| 13:37.31 | jnwhiteh | the problem is the frame's __gc metamethod would need to touch so many different things |
| 13:37.35 | Cruciformer | so you minimize the creation of unnessary frames |
| 13:38.57 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: And yes, I realize there's a ton of reference/cleanup problems if they had to implement a "proper" frame handling system :) |
| 13:39.09 | Cruciformer | its amazing how much of an 80x50 irssi screen a cat's tail can obscure |
| 13:39.13 | jnwhiteh | you can say "lazy" I suppose |
| 13:39.26 | jnwhiteh | but I'll just argue that lazy is the right choice here for complexity and maintenance reasons :P |
| 13:39.31 | jnwhiteh | so we're in agreement, hurrah! |
| 13:39.34 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer absolutely |
| 13:39.37 | Kalroth | you're more of a KISS guy! |
| 13:39.42 | jnwhiteh | of course iam |
| 13:39.45 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: got a window?! |
| 13:40.08 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: I have several why? |
| 13:40.12 | Kalroth | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/kiss.gif <- it's jnwhiteh on the top right |
| 13:40.20 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: open one and toss the cat! |
| 13:40.29 | Cruciformer | *gasp* bite your tongue |
| 13:40.48 | Kalroth | oh, sorry, my bad |
| 13:40.50 | Kalroth | cats* |
| 13:40.54 | Kalroth | there, fixed! |
| 13:41.03 | Cruciformer | I am a guest in her house, it'd hardly be fair if I tossed her |
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| 13:41.31 | WobNet | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8208d670221aa6db4b09bee883d2bbdd.png |
| 13:41.33 | Cruciformer | nah I just have one, cat was correct :) |
| 13:41.37 | WobNet | this is what I've been spending all night on =P |
| 13:41.45 | Kalroth | Well sucker her into following something then, a toy of piece of food |
| 13:41.57 | Kalroth | WobNet: mmm, cookies |
| 13:42.02 | Cruciformer | mmmm ... I could lead her into a pack of wild dogs with deli ham |
| 13:42.23 | Kalroth | WobNet: and yes, it's easy to see that it's a rendered image, but it's very well done regardless :) |
| 13:42.45 | WobNet | omnomnomphotoshopnom |
| 13:43.13 | Cruciformer | that's rendered? |
| 13:43.18 | WobNet | no =P |
| 13:43.18 | WobNet | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/be6db57ced50f3e520b68650343bf7c0.png |
| 13:43.24 | WobNet | this many cookies! |
| 13:43.31 | Kalroth | oh, shopped |
| 13:43.41 | WobNet | actually, gimp |
| 13:43.48 | Cruciformer | I was gonn say if that was rendered thats pretty awesome texturing on the cookies |
| 13:43.49 | WobNet | I don't think I can run photoshop on the netbook |
| 13:43.50 | Kalroth | hrm, the out of focus can makes it look fake |
| 13:44.10 | Kalroth | pot or whatever :) |
| 13:44.10 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: 1 word: DOF |
| 13:44.18 | WobNet | this ^ |
| 13:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | WobNet, have you tried GIMP instead of Photoshop? |
| 13:44.32 | WobNet | it's "artistic"! |
| 13:44.32 | Kalroth | is DOF a word or an abbrivation?! |
| 13:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | Duh, you mentioned it, just ignore me. |
| 13:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy cannot read. |
| 13:44.43 | WobNet | it's an acronym |
| 13:44.47 | WobNet | for Depth of Field |
| 13:44.52 | WobNet | so technically, not one word =) |
| 13:44.55 | Kalroth | I know, but he said word :( |
| 13:44.56 | Cruciformer | well its one word when you say it as a word not a D.O.F :) |
| 13:45.41 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: my point was that 99% of all rendered images (ab)use depth of field to make it look more realistic |
| 13:45.42 | Cruciformer | ok then ... one tla: DOF |
| 13:46.00 | Kalroth | Cruciformer: Which along with a pixel perfect background raised my suspicions :) |
| 13:46.00 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: yeah its a common trick for lazy texturing :) |
| 13:46.45 | Cruciformer | and I agree with you my first reaction ws "rendered" but then I looked at the cookies and the texturing is too perfect. that'd take a month of sundays to get that right. |
| 13:47.00 | WobNet | much easier to just bake them, imo =) |
| 13:47.04 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 13:47.19 | WobNet | and the added bonus |
| 13:47.22 | WobNet | you can eat them =) |
| 13:47.36 | Kalroth | WobNet: I was about to suggest that at first, but I didn't want to imply that you had spent an entire sunday on 8 cookies. |
| 13:47.45 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 13:48.04 | WobNet | there are about 80 of them |
| 13:48.07 | Cruciformer | let me get wobin those are ginger snaps? |
| 13:48.10 | Kalroth | :O |
| 13:48.17 | WobNet | yep |
| 13:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew, chocolate chip is for the win!! |
| 13:48.30 | Cruciformer | lord I HATE choc chip |
| 13:48.34 | WobNet | chocolate chip is so passe |
| 13:48.38 | Cruciformer | waste of both chocolate and a cookie |
| 13:49.02 | WobNet | I don't really do much with chocolate cookies |
| 13:49.06 | WobNet | brownies maybe |
| 13:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | Banana chocolate chip, orange chocolate chip, raspberry chocolate chip, pistachio chocolate chip... I make weird kinds. |
| 13:49.10 | WobNet | or cakes |
| 13:49.29 | Kalroth | Just combine it seperately; cookies with chocolate on the side |
| 13:49.42 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: pistachio anything is good ... I want someonet o bake me pistachio shortbread |
| 13:49.48 | WobNet | "and my mother said, Lopeppeppy, if you don't stop naming chocolate chips..." |
| 13:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 13:51.15 | alestane | Gingersnaps are good, although it's true that you can't really put chocolate chips in them in a tasty way, which is a strike against them. |
| 13:51.33 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 13:51.40 | jnwhiteh | i'm hungry now |
| 13:51.47 | jnwhiteh | i need to make bread tonight |
| 13:51.48 | WobNet | My problem is that my oven at home, is a convection microwave |
| 13:51.54 | WobNet | so it is very small =( |
| 13:52.12 | WobNet | If I baked cookies, I'd only be able to cook them four at a time or so =P |
| 13:52.14 | Cruciformer | sharp carousel ftw |
| 13:52.36 | WobNet | so since I'm housesitting at my parent's, I'll take advantage of the oven |
| 13:52.50 | alestane | However, ginger snaps do go nicely with vanilla ice cream, so that's win. |
| 13:53.09 | jnwhiteh | so do chocolate chip cookies :P |
| 13:53.14 | Cruciformer | alestane: they go even nicer dipped in ginger beer |
| 13:53.16 | jnwhiteh | tho my peanut butter kisses are amazing with ice cream |
| 13:53.37 | Cruciformer | double ginger whammy ftw |
| 13:54.10 | WobNet | I put in crystallised ginger into my cookies |
| 13:54.23 | WobNet | and sometimes grate fresh ginger into them too |
| 13:54.55 | WobNet | no point having ginger snaps without going all out on the ginger =) |
| 13:55.10 | Cruciformer | god now I am really craving pistachio shortbread since I mentioned it |
| 13:56.44 | WobNet | that's cause it has pistachios in it |
| 13:57.20 | WobNet | wow, this flickruploader is downloading at dialup speeds |
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| 13:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | peanut butter is the spawn of the devil. |
| 13:57.46 | jnwhiteh | gasps |
| 13:58.01 | WobNet | is that why it's salty? |
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| 13:59.45 | Cruciformer | peanut butter and golden syrup (what south africans call syrup not tat shit americans put on pancackes) ... on hot buttered toast = heaven |
| 14:00.04 | WobNet | oh god |
| 14:00.13 | WobNet | I -have- golden syrup |
| 14:00.17 | WobNet | it went into the cookies |
| 14:00.26 | WobNet | and I have peanut butter |
| 14:00.32 | WobNet | I'm so going to try that =P |
| 14:00.52 | Cruciformer | WobNet: If youi have never had a PB and syrup toast you are missing out on one of lifes finer little pleasures |
| 14:00.59 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: that "shit" is called Maple syrup, not golden syrup |
| 14:01.04 | WobNet | no no |
| 14:01.07 | WobNet | completely different |
| 14:01.14 | WobNet | maple syrup is from the maple tree |
| 14:01.19 | jnwhiteh | yes, I know that. |
| 14:01.20 | WobNet | golden syrup is from cane sugar |
| 14:01.21 | jnwhiteh | I know they're different |
| 14:01.23 | jnwhiteh | I'm from the east coast |
| 14:01.25 | jnwhiteh | and I live in England |
| 14:01.32 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: If only it was real maple syrup :) I am talking about the normal syrup you get in safeway etc that pretends to be syrup but is so runny you cant work with it. |
| 14:01.32 | jnwhiteh | so I'm quite familiar with both Maple syrup and Golden syrup |
| 14:01.38 | WobNet | oh |
| 14:01.44 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: fuck that, people who buy that should cry ina corner. |
| 14:01.47 | WobNet | Maple 'flavored' syrup =P |
| 14:01.52 | vithos | there is something called "pancake syrup" which is not actually maple syrup |
| 14:01.55 | Jamash | the stuff you get in safeway is made from corn syrup :-( |
| 14:01.59 | WobNet | ugh |
| 14:02.00 | WobNet | shudders |
| 14:02.05 | jnwhiteh | I'm from upstate new york.. I would never consider buying anything other than Vermont, Canadian or NY maple syrup. |
| 14:02.08 | Cruciformer | lyles golden syrup in teh green tin ... best syrup ever |
| 14:02.16 | WobNet | corn syrup is an abomination against God =( |
| 14:02.20 | jnwhiteh | I have lyles at home |
| 14:02.25 | jnwhiteh | and black treacle as well :P |
| 14:02.36 | jnwhiteh | for my rye bread |
| 14:02.44 | alestane | jnwhiteh: Where exactly? |
| 14:02.53 | jnwhiteh | alestane: Syracuse |
| 14:02.58 | alestane | I was born in Rochester, grew up in Ithaca. |
| 14:03.00 | jnwhiteh | just down the road from peppy :P |
| 14:03.06 | jnwhiteh | small world ;-) |
| 14:03.11 | Cruciformer | never was a fan of treacle except in my favourite inteded expression: "He's moving slower than a wooly mammoth wading through a lake of cold treacle" |
| 14:03.16 | alestane | My parents lived in Syracuse for a few years. |
| 14:03.18 | Cruciformer | *invented |
| 14:03.25 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: "slower than molasses" is the american version of that :P |
| 14:03.31 | jnwhiteh | since treacle is just refined molasses |
| 14:04.01 | Cruciformer | ok thats more succinct(sp?) ... but mine is more ... descriptive :) |
| 14:04.02 | batbot | Cruciformer, succinct is correct. |
| 14:04.12 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 14:04.17 | jnwhiteh | but americans dont' know what black treacle is |
| 14:04.36 | Cruciformer | you make a valid point sir |
| 14:04.39 | WobNet | also, if you've never tried "nonya kaya' coconut jam, you're really missing out =) |
| 14:05.06 | WobNet | SE asian sweet spread |
| 14:05.14 | Cruciformer | omg I cant do anything with coconut. My first drunk was on coconut liquer and nowif I even smell it I start to dry-heave |
| 14:05.40 | Cruciformer | summertime at teh beach with everyone smearing cocunt flavoured oils on themsleves is sheer hell for me |
| 14:05.44 | Coconutboy | WobNet: Eat me |
| 14:05.46 | WobNet | it doesn't really taste like coconut |
| 14:05.48 | Coconutboy | You know you want to |
| 14:05.57 | WobNet | it's more flavoured with pandan |
| 14:06.03 | Coconutboy | pandas are good flavoring |
| 14:06.20 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: since u r living in england can u still get Frey Bentos spread? |
| 14:06.29 | alestane | We made brownies last night using coconut flour. But they're supposed to chill overnight so I'm not sure how coconut they are. |
| 14:06.41 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: doesn't ring a bell with me, so not sure |
| 14:06.47 | WobNet | how does coconut flour work? |
| 14:06.53 | Cruciformer | how about Bovril, almost the same thing |
| 14:07.06 | WobNet | =( Vegemite all the way |
| 14:07.10 | jnwhiteh | That rings a bell, but I'm still not sure what either is |
| 14:07.22 | WobNet | beef extract spread =) |
| 14:07.29 | WobNet | or marmite |
| 14:07.36 | Cruciformer | beef spread. well actually bovril is meant to be drank but spread on fresh hot buttered white toast is also heaven |
| 14:07.47 | Cruciformer | marmite is a yeast extract not beef |
| 14:07.52 | Cruciformer | and I love it too |
| 14:07.55 | alestane | WobNet: If it's done right, the oil is pressed out of the coconut flesh, then it's dried and ground. In our case, we ran shredded coconut through the grinder, so it's moister. |
| 14:08.02 | WobNet | but similar sort of thing =) |
| 14:08.07 | Cruciformer | indeed |
| 14:08.21 | alestane | Yay, PTR finally downloads. |
| 14:08.31 | WobNet | interesting |
| 14:08.48 | alestane | It's lower in carbohydrates than grain flour. |
| 14:09.12 | Cruciformer | frey bentos is a vbetter flavour than marmite or bovril but the other two are good too. |
| 14:09.38 | WobNet | I'd suggest that most of the 'flavour' comes from the oil |
| 14:09.46 | alestane | Probably. |
| 14:09.51 | WobNet | and you're saying you made brownies... and didn't taste the batter? |
| 14:09.56 | WobNet | what are you, inhuman?! |
| 14:10.04 | alestane | We did lick the beaters, yes. |
| 14:10.19 | Cruciformer | speaking of flavour, are you aware there are actually 5 taste buds not 4 as most people think? (sweet, sour, bitter, slaty) |
| 14:10.19 | alestane | That only sort of tells you what the finished product will taste like. |
| 14:10.25 | alestane | Savory. |
| 14:10.29 | alestane | Amino acids. |
| 14:10.33 | Cruciformer | apparent there is a 5 called "Umami" |
| 14:10.37 | WobNet | MSG |
| 14:10.44 | Cruciformer | or something like that .. specifically to detect glutein |
| 14:10.57 | alestane | Umami is the Japanese name for the flavor. |
| 14:11.13 | alestane | It's the defining element of the flavor of soy sauce. |
| 14:11.18 | Cruciformer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami |
| 14:11.30 | Cruciformer | alestane: its also the name of the tastebud now apparently |
| 14:11.50 | Gnarfoz | only people who have a problem with loanwords don't call it Umami :p |
| 14:12.06 | Cruciformer | what do they call it then? |
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| 14:12.30 | Gnarfoz | the... second sentence of the wikipedia link lists, like, 5 alternatives |
| 14:12.39 | Gnarfoz | did you even read it or just post it for kicks? :p |
| 14:12.49 | Gnarfoz | also, alestane also used one just now ;) |
| 14:12.51 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:13.09 | alestane | "Savory" is the usual English word for that protein-based tastiness. |
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| 14:13.38 | Gnarfoz | wikipedia is the universal truth! :P |
| 14:13.40 | Cruciformer | ah I always thought of "savoury" as an amalgamation of other tastes but that works for me |
| 14:13.57 | alestane | And I have no problem with using loan-words, but there's a perfectly good established English word for it. |
| 14:14.18 | Gnarfoz | why is it listed under "proposed translations" then? |
| 14:14.31 | Cruciformer | I will perform s/Umami/savoury/ in my head right now |
| 14:14.40 | WobNet | hehe |
| 14:14.41 | WobNet | taste-mGluR4 |
| 14:14.45 | WobNet | sounds like a murloc |
| 14:14.50 | Gnarfoz | ~murlocs++ |
| 14:15.15 | Gnarfoz | I'll keep using Umami anyway, since everyone here knows what it means simply because of it's status as a loanword :D |
| 14:15.22 | Gnarfoz | (here being Germany) |
| 14:15.57 | jnwhiteh | rdesktop jdp@clpc440 |
| 14:16.46 | Gnarfoz | ~fail jnwhiteh |
| 14:17.02 | Gnarfoz | purl? :< |
| 14:17.32 | Kraps | should i copy my main or 62 dk to the ptr? |
| 14:17.38 | Jamash | why not both? |
| 14:17.47 | Gnarfoz | just use a premade, hurr |
| 14:17.52 | alestane | Gnarfoz: Largely, I think, because "savory" has fallen out of common use in English. |
| 14:18.04 | Kraps | whats a premade? |
| 14:18.22 | Lopeppeppy | They haven't had premades in the last few PTRs, IIRC |
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| 14:18.32 | Gnarfoz | this one has 'em, though |
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| 14:18.46 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: No they had them about a month back just after 3.1 came out for a while |
| 14:18.54 | alestane | ~logs |
| 14:18.54 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 14:19.48 | Kraps | Copy Your Character wait time: 4 days Copy a Premade Character wait time: 2 days :/ |
| 14:19.57 | Jamash | the US character copy queue is full :[ |
| 14:20.11 | alestane | Usually, they save them for toward the end when they know they have most of their content the way they want, and they want to stress-test the system. |
| 14:20.31 | Jamash | but oddly enough, the premade queue isn't |
| 14:21.22 | Cruciformer | thanks <random deity> for chrome's "reload recently closed" feature |
| 14:23.10 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: still there? |
| 14:23.37 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer yeah |
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| 14:24.01 | _rane | tourguide requires lightheaded to be able to show coords, rite? |
| 14:24.03 | Cruciformer | shouldnt the offset be select(1,...) - time() ? |
| 14:25.40 | Yewbacca | Nope that wouldn't work. It works like this: take serverTimestamp, subtract your LOCAL GetTime() value (just a counter), and store the result as offset. Whenever you want the current time again, you do offset + GetTime() and you re-apply the current time to it. |
| 14:25.52 | WobNet | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/sets/72157620543173048/ |
| 14:25.56 | WobNet | all the photos |
| 14:26.06 | Yewbacca | The reason we use GetTime() is because it has milliseconds |
| 14:26.23 | WobNet | Cruciformer: don't most modern browsers have that option? |
| 14:26.49 | Cruciformer | WobNet: If firefox has it I dont know where it is |
| 14:27.02 | Cruciformer | (also never looked for it tbh) |
| 14:27.04 | WobNet | Undo Close Tab? |
| 14:27.14 | Cruciformer | no I shuit down chrome completely |
| 14:27.16 | WobNet | or Recently Closed Tabs |
| 14:27.21 | WobNet | in the History menu |
| 14:27.25 | Cruciformer | and it knew the last window config I had with all the urls |
| 14:27.34 | WobNet | oh |
| 14:27.36 | Cruciformer | ill try it in ff now |
| 14:27.41 | WobNet | yeah, that needs an addon in FF |
| 14:27.47 | WobNet | I use Session Manager |
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| 14:29.38 | Cruciformer | ok it stillputs it in the history but as an individual url it wont restore all the tabs I recently had |
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| 14:30.08 | Cruciformer | still useful to know. thanks, I learned something. |
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| 14:34.45 | Cruciformer | oh and btw Yewbacca line 11 of that paste has a bit of an issue in that there is no way to get real server time in anything less than minutes accuracy. so you have to fudge seconds, not just microseconds. |
| 14:35.09 | _rane | anyone use tourguide? |
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| 14:35.36 | Guardix | Yewbacca |
| 14:35.38 | Guardix | moo |
| 14:35.47 | Cruciformer | _rane: only when I visit greece |
| 14:37.31 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: one final thing. Can we assume GetTime() doesn't drift during the lifetime of a wow session? |
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| 14:38.07 | Cruciformer | (i.e its not affected by NTP updates and the like?) |
| 14:38.31 | Jamash | aha, I finally have evidence demonstrating why Learning Aid is messing up on patch days |
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| 14:38.57 | Jamash | it looks like some companion info is unavailable due to companions not being in the cache |
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| 14:39.40 | Cruciformer | Jamash: the cache being cleared on patch day has tripped me up more than a number of a times. |
| 14:40.07 | Cruciformer | for my mod I had to start storing itemlinks intead of just the itemid becuase getItemInfo() was failing. |
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| 14:42.26 | alestane | I have all the listed ports open on my router, why does the Blizzard Downloader still think I'm behind a firewall? |
| 14:43.24 | Cruciformer | alestane: doesnt it open ephemeral ports as well? the listed ports are just for the torrent protocol? |
| 14:43.26 | Adys | is there a cvar that disables the scrolling dmg above mobs or something? |
| 14:43.36 | Adys | I lost it and I dont think its a wine bug |
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| 14:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, for me that's usually a virus program being funky. |
| 14:44.03 | alestane | Adys, yes, I think there is, check the options panel for Combat Text. |
| 14:44.03 | Jamash | interface -> Target Damage |
| 14:44.26 | Jamash | er yeah I mean Interface -> Combat Text -> Target Damage |
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| 14:44.39 | Adys | ooo |
| 14:44.42 | Adys | love you long time |
| 14:45.07 | Cruciformer | is ther some place in framexml that lists all the cvars? |
| 14:45.21 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer: line 11 will be difficult then. I guess you'd have to make it "return nil" instead, and do "if nil then"-check in your use of the server mtime function. to make it dislay timestmaps like "***" or something when waiting |
| 14:45.24 | Jamash | so I never considered the possibility that GetNumCompanions(kind) would return a valid count but GetCompanionInfo would return bad data before the cache finishes loading |
| 14:45.47 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer the actual timestamp is received very quickly so no worries there, you won't be without one for more than a few seconds at startup |
| 14:45.55 | Jamash | and I could never reproduce the problem except on patch days because after that the cache was always initialized! |
| 14:46.17 | Yewbacca | Cruciformer also no, GetTime() does not drift, it's the seconds and milliseconds (float) since system started up, it's independent from your system clock |
| 14:46.37 | Cruciformer | ah a tick timer |
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| 14:55.24 | zenzelezz | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/06/25/9802453.aspx -- sometimes people are just sad |
| 14:55.34 | Yewbacca | Yep Cruciformer it's the ticks on windows and mac os, not sure on linux |
| 14:56.41 | Cruciformer | probably whatever Linux called the old unix "lbolt" |
| 14:56.57 | zenzelezz | if you really wanted to know, you could dig into the Wine source code and see |
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| 14:57.21 | Yewbacca | Yeah it's run on wine/cedega, so I bet they implement an emulation of ticks if not using the linux ones directly |
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| 15:05.59 | WobNet | Treguna, Mekoides, Trecorum Satis Dee! |
| 15:07.53 | alestane | You don't say. |
| 15:10.43 | Lopeppeppy | Treguna, Mercoites AND Trecorum Satis Dee! |
| 15:11.38 | alestane | The gods are pleased? |
| 15:12.09 | Jamash | my hovercraft is full of eels |
| 15:13.33 | Lopeppeppy | I really want to get ahold of that list of latin phrases, Jamash... got a link perhaps? :) |
| 15:13.36 | alestane | Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? |
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| 15:14.03 | Jamash | http://www.serve.com/bonzai/monty/classics/TheHungarianPhrasebookSketch |
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| 15:14.58 | Shirik | aight, who knows C pretty well |
| 15:15.06 | Shirik | Can someone explain why this is legal? |
| 15:15.19 | Shirik | foo = a*2 + b*3; + c*4; |
| 15:15.20 | alestane | Shirik: THe syntax, pretty well, the libraries, not so much. |
| 15:15.34 | Shirik | I realize that "4;" is a valid statement, but the +c*4 is a bit odd |
| 15:15.55 | alestane | I believe that + can be a unary operator, although I'm not sure why. |
| 15:16.24 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca: ping |
| 15:16.44 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, symmetry with unary - |
| 15:17.15 | Aqua | shr |
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| 15:17.29 | Fisker | did i mention that i hate you Shirik ? |
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| 15:17.34 | Shirik | fortunately this bug didn't impact anything because the "4" was actually "0" in the situation it was used (and was mostly documentation-ish), but it just caught me off guard |
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| 15:17.54 | Aqua | you'd be suprised whats legal in C |
| 15:18.02 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer yea |
| 15:18.06 | alestane | Unary plus is indeed a legal operator, although I'm not sure what you'd ever want it for unless it's "absolute value", but +c*4 is a legal expression, and you can use expressions as statements in C. |
| 15:18.10 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: http://pastebin.com/m758b9d0e |
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| 15:18.20 | Shirik | strange unary operator :P |
| 15:18.32 | Cruciformer | Yew: Interestingly enough. that prints the date in LOCAL time not server time. |
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| 15:19.25 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer Nice compact version |
| 15:19.30 | Yewbacca2 | Well then your local time is the same as the server |
| 15:19.40 | Cruciformer | Nope its not, which is the weird bit |
| 15:19.41 | alestane | Ah, it promotes its argument in integral type. |
| 15:19.54 | Aelobin | we still on about time? 0_o |
| 15:19.56 | zenzelezz | promotes? |
| 15:20.05 | Jamash | time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so |
| 15:20.08 | Cruciformer | when I hover over the clock on the minimap it says realm time is 3:19 and local time is 10:19 |
| 15:20.11 | alestane | type(+someChar) is "int" |
| 15:20.20 | zenzelezz | odd |
| 15:20.22 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer try this: print(date("%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S", ets) .. ' ' .. date("%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S", time())); |
| 15:20.27 | Yewbacca2 | then change your system clock. They won't match |
| 15:20.44 | Cruciformer | and that printf was returning teh local time |
| 15:20.46 | alestane | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ewkkxkwb(VS.80).aspx |
| 15:21.25 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer change system clock, set minutes to something different, then /reloadui and do the above |
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| 15:21.25 | Aelobin | isn't time() nearly the same in all countries, and it's given an offset depending on which timezone you're in when you run date() ? |
| 15:21.25 | Yewbacca2 | it won't match, because timestamp _is_ the server timestamp |
| 15:21.42 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin Hmm |
| 15:21.48 | Aelobin | so by changing the system clock you're not changing the return of time(), only the timezone offset applied to it when you use date() |
| 15:21.55 | Yewbacca2 | Nah |
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| 15:21.58 | Aelobin | although i dnno if thats the case |
| 15:22.02 | Shirik | alestane: are you talking about WoW? |
| 15:22.09 | Yewbacca2 | By changing the system time, you are changing the value that you then SUBTRACT timezone offset from |
| 15:22.19 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: Well, if that was really the case, that example I posete dshould yielf server time becuase I am printing date("format", ets) directly ... the value I get from the event |
| 15:22.21 | Yewbacca2 | time() = systemtime() - tzoffset |
| 15:22.26 | Shirik | changing the system clock isn't going to impact WoW at all. |
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| 15:22.34 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer Aelobin's and mine discussion explained it just now :) |
| 15:22.37 | Aelobin | Yewbacca2: then how come time() returns nearly the same in USA in comparison to UK |
| 15:22.45 | Yewbacca2 | time() = GMT/UTC timestamp, I forgot that for a second |
| 15:22.47 | alestane | Shirik: No, some C documentation I found. I don't think type actually exists per se in C but it seemed like the shortest way to express the concept. |
| 15:22.50 | Aelobin | we did a test and it was only 80 seconds out :p |
| 15:22.59 | Yewbacca2 | But that timestmap is calculated by systemtime() - offset, meaning change your system minutes and voila, wrong time() |
| 15:23.07 | Shirik | alestane: I meant the time stuff :) |
| 15:23.09 | Yewbacca2 | So no, combatlog timestamp is not the local time |
| 15:23.40 | alestane | The time stuff isn't me, not sure what you're asking. |
| 15:23.43 | Yewbacca2 | It'd be inteesting however, if the combatlog timestamp is the current time in UTC, as seen by the server. You may actually want to use that as reference instaed of system time. |
| 15:24.02 | Yewbacca2 | I mean if the combatlog timestamp is ALSO adjusted to GMT |
| 15:24.23 | Aelobin | still doesnt explain why time() returns nearly the same in 2 different time zones :p |
| 15:24.41 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: I am so confused with times now :) I get thte timestam from the combat log with select91,...). I feed that into date(). It prints a string that matches the time shown on the minimap as the local time. |
| 15:24.52 | Yewbacca2 | Ofc it does: time() = systemtime() - offset |
| 15:24.56 | Cruciformer | (pls forgive typos my fingers are way cold) |
| 15:25.31 | Yewbacca2 | Offset is a value like +(2*60*60) or -(6*60*60) |
| 15:25.32 | Aelobin | Cruciformer: mine too, even though it's sunny and hot outside 0.o |
| 15:25.59 | Yewbacca2 | So it uses system time + gmt offset to calculate the GMT value, that is what time() is, and why it will be similar on all computers IF they are set up right timewise |
| 15:26.09 | Aelobin | so changing system time does actually change the time() return? |
| 15:26.10 | Yewbacca2 | IF you have set the wrong clock time on your computer, your timestamp will be totally inaccurate |
| 15:26.12 | Yewbacca2 | Ye |
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| 15:26.48 | Yewbacca2 | The server timestamp received in the combatlog is GMT too, interestingly enough, and now that I think about it, it's probably WAY better synced to NTP than your own computer |
| 15:27.04 | Aelobin | im still not convinced :p |
| 15:27.17 | Yewbacca2 | In other words, the code I posted earlier today = totally correct, DON'T use system's time() and watching for second ticks etc. |
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| 15:27.32 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: that test fragment I posted up now ... always yields local time. |
| 15:27.44 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer read through the above discussion, you'll learn why |
| 15:27.48 | Cruciformer | I set my local minutes 10 minutes ahead, and its returning it |
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| 15:27.58 | Yewbacca2 | You live in england? |
| 15:28.12 | Cruciformer | south africa but my time is set to USA CST |
| 15:28.24 | Yewbacca2 | Okay. Well, here's the summary of all the above: |
| 15:28.43 | Aelobin | Yewbacca2: is this that OnUpdate cycle that you're on about? |
| 15:28.50 | Caleb| | sup Ackis ? |
| 15:28.54 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin no and yes. I'll rewrite all this now: |
| 15:29.26 | Yewbacca2 | Here's what time is: time() = systemclock() - systemoffset(), where offset is a value such as +(2*60*60) or -(6*60*60), for gmt+2 and gmt-6 respecticvely. What it returns is your local time, adjusted back to GMT, by subtracting your timezone hour offset. |
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| 15:29.41 | Yewbacca2 | Here's what the combat log event sends: timestamp, the current GMT time as calculated by the server, with milliseconds. |
| 15:30.09 | Yewbacca2 | If you watch onupdated for time() ticks, you only watch your local time, which is a clock that's not reliable whatsoever anyway, you may have set up tjewrong minute, the wrong millisecond, etc. |
| 15:30.25 | Yewbacca2 | The blizzard timestamp is probably fantastic, because I BET they sync to NTP servers regularly to keep all servers synced. |
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| 15:30.35 | Yewbacca2 | All you have to do is, what I did earlier today: |
| 15:30.45 | Aelobin | then in the OnUpdate just watch for a minute change in GetGameTime() ? :P |
| 15:30.52 | Yewbacca2 | Hook combat log event, grab the server timestamp (gmt value), apply your local timezone offset to it. |
| 15:31.06 | Aelobin | although you'd have to convert hours/minutes to epoch time |
| 15:31.19 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin Nah, use the combat log, it triggers way quicker and gives milliseconds. |
| 15:31.33 | Aelobin | but how do you know when it'll trigger? :P |
| 15:31.38 | Aelobin | isn't the combat log unreliable |
| 15:31.46 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: Ok I am with you up to the part where you say "local timezone offset" - how do I get that? |
| 15:31.49 | Yewbacca2 | It is very reliable since patch 2.4, it triggers events cleanly and with timestamps. |
| 15:32.10 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer I think it's in date("%Z") or something like that |
| 15:32.16 | Aelobin | no i mean, if you're wanting to create your mtime() function, you dont know when the combat log will show something |
| 15:32.36 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: it fires almost immediately |
| 15:32.53 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin But it will, not just "show something", there's LOTS of events that happen behind the scenes. Enemies gaining auras, you mounting, you buffing, eating, etc, pretty much whatever happens on the screen. |
| 15:32.57 | Aelobin | even when you're stood on an island in nagrand with no mobs attacking you and doing no spells? 0.o |
| 15:33.01 | Yewbacca2 | Yeah |
| 15:33.23 | Yewbacca2 | There's bound to be something that fires it then too. But my solution for that was to return time() until the server timestamp was received. |
| 15:33.27 | Yewbacca2 | If you remember: |
| 15:33.34 | Yewbacca2 | time() = gmt time as seen by your inaccurate computer |
| 15:33.37 | Yewbacca2 | timestamp = gmt time as seen by server |
| 15:33.47 | Yewbacca2 | both values are comparable but there will be a shift that happens as you sync to the better server |
| 15:33.54 | kd3 | hugs his ntp-synched local clock |
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| 15:34.15 | Aelobin | then you could still use the code i wrote you earlier, just sub in the timestamp from a combat log event into the stored_time and still use stored_gettime as before |
| 15:34.30 | Aelobin | and it would set your GetTime millisecond ticks to that of the combat log timestamp |
| 15:34.32 | Yewbacca2 | Even stuff like existing aura ticks, or you buffs that expire, trigger it. It's impossible to not get it to trigger quickly. In the meantime just return time*() |
| 15:35.27 | Aelobin | hmm i need f00dz, brb |
| 15:37.27 | Yewbacca2 | http://pastebin.com/d19319ac |
| 15:37.59 | Yewbacca2 | oops |
| 15:38.14 | Yewbacca2 | http://pastebin.com/d7b2304f9 |
| 15:38.55 | Yewbacca2 | Usage is: date("format", mtime()). date automatically adjusts the GMT timestamp given by mtime() or time()[which is what it uses by default if no 2nd parameter is given] to your loval time. |
| 15:39.06 | Yewbacca2 | date senses your computer timezone and displays it. So this is all you need. |
| 15:39.32 | Yewbacca2 | Now let's solve the question of why you'd want this. "The thing with GetTime() though is that it's a millisecond-counter, and therefore that's all you need when calculating "elapsed" timers. The only reason I can think of for wanting localtime with milliseconds is if you wanna do this:" |
| 15:39.51 | Yewbacca2 | "[01:15:59.432] <Yewbacca> Hello there" as I remarked earlier. Anyone know any uses for having this accurate a timestamp? |
| 15:40.06 | Yewbacca2 | if you say "timers", I say GetTime(), which is way better for that purpose. |
| 15:40.12 | Cruciformer | actually I dont care about ms I just care about seconds, personally. |
| 15:40.22 | Yewbacca2 | Ah ok, then this is perfect for that too. |
| 15:40.28 | jnwhiteh | Yewbacca2: timers are already available. |
| 15:40.29 | Cruciformer | as I use it as a timestamp for events |
| 15:40.34 | jnwhiteh | debugprofilestart and debugprofilestop |
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| 15:41.35 | Yewbacca2 | jnwhiteh I don't mean those sort of timers, I mean keeping track of when something happened, for an indefinite time, aka "save a timestamp of when X occured" |
| 15:41.41 | Yewbacca2 | then compare that to the current time. |
| 15:41.51 | jnwhiteh | oh, i wuldn't refer to that as a timer, but okay |
| 15:41.52 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:41.59 | Yewbacca2 | :) |
| 15:42.05 | Yewbacca2 | Agreed. |
| 15:42.20 | Yewbacca2 | Well, if you read above, our collaborative minds have figured this out at last. |
| 15:42.36 | Yewbacca2 | The timestamp with milliseconds ordeal. |
| 15:42.39 | Aelobin | lulz i r back |
| 15:43.26 | Yewbacca2 | Grats :D |
| 15:43.43 | Aelobin | Yewbacca2: if you wanna use a combat log event then i'd store the timestamp from it, store the GetTime() when that occured, then do mtime = stored_time + (GetTime() - stored_gettime) |
| 15:43.50 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: I am still completely unclear why date("formatstring", select(1, ...)) in the handler returns local time not server time |
| 15:44.06 | Yewbacca2 | because date() converts GMT timestamp to local time |
| 15:44.10 | Yewbacca2 | didn't you read anything above? |
| 15:44.16 | jnwhiteh | don't say GMT |
| 15:44.17 | jnwhiteh | its UTC |
| 15:44.19 | Yewbacca2 | time() = gmt timestamp, server timetamp = gmt timestamp |
| 15:44.20 | jnwhiteh | there is a difference :P |
| 15:44.22 | Cruciformer | I did but I dodnt follow it completely I confess |
| 15:44.23 | Yewbacca2 | yeah I know I am stuck in the old word :P |
| 15:45.04 | Yewbacca2 | Okay well, if you have two computers, one in sweden UTC+2 and one in texas UTC-7, and each runs time(), they both get their local clock, and subtract (in the case of sweden) or add (in the case of texas) the hours (in seconds) to the time. |
| 15:45.21 | Yewbacca2 | This gives you a neutral timestamp, called unix timestamp, which is based on UTC 0, which is right on top of england. |
| 15:45.35 | Yewbacca2 | date() functions etc, then accept such a timestamp and show it using the local offset again |
| 15:46.21 | Yewbacca2 | That is why using time() to look for second ticks Onupdate = bad way to get milliseconds. looking for server GetTime() minute ticks = bad as well. looking for combat log timestamps = good, it's fired quickly, and the timestamp received is UTC with milliseconds. then |
| 15:46.45 | Yewbacca2 | nvm my mistyping gettime() above, I meant whatever the command is that returns hours and minutes servertime. |
| 15:47.18 | Yewbacca2 | continued: then you take that timestamp, subtract GetTime() from it to make it neutral compared to your system ticks timer. lastly, whenever you want to get the current UTC timestamp with milliseconds, simply take offset + GetTime(). get it? |
| 15:47.31 | Cruciformer | ya I am intimately familiar with UTC and "unix time" as u called it I just missed the bit where the Lua date() function dealt with utc. |
| 15:47.40 | Yewbacca2 | Ah ok :) |
| 15:48.47 | Yewbacca2 | The order of accuracy is: OnEvent Combat log timestamp > OnUpdate Server time hour:minute ticks over > OnUpdate local time() ticks a second. |
| 15:49.15 | Yewbacca2 | The first one uses the blizzard highly NTP-synced timestamp, received quickly. the second watches for that change to happen but may catch it a bit late. and the last uses your local clock which can be way off. |
| 15:50.20 | Cruciformer | Now for my own purposes I just need to figure out the difference between local time and UTC so I can add that to the event time, so that my timestamp is always in realm time, but with seconds accuracy. |
| 15:50.30 | Yewbacca2 | The order of speed of receiving a timestamp however, is: OnUpdate time() ticks a second > OnEvent combat log timestamp fires (usually takes 1-20 seconds after logon) > OnUpdate server Hours:minutes changes (can take 59 seconds) |
| 15:50.53 | Yewbacca2 | While waiting for the combat log to fire, you simply return time(), which is your inaccurate computer clock's impression of UTC, which is good enough while waiting. |
| 15:51.13 | Yewbacca2 | If your computer is synced well, you will get a +/- 2 sec or so correction once the server timestamp arrives |
| 15:51.38 | Yewbacca2 | Beyond this it's anal to go further and try to minimize lag drift on receiving the combat log packet. Then you get into NTP sync territory, pointless for this use. |
| 15:51.48 | Cruciformer | actually again for my own purposes here as using YYMMDDHHMMSS as an event ID I "fake" the seconds and use GetGameTime() |
| 15:52.44 | Cruciformer | Can I assume the local timeone differences will only ever be hours and minutes, not seconds? |
| 15:53.45 | Yewbacca2 | Well you SHOULDN'T add local time to the timestamp. A timestamp is supposed to be UTC, if you add local time it is no longer going to be interpreted correctly. Ie if you add 2 hours to it because your computer is in a +2 timezone, you actually move the time forward 2 hours. |
| 15:53.56 | Yewbacca2 | date() takes care of the display, so you just do date("format", mtime()) |
| 15:54.03 | Aelobin | Yewbacca2: you can get the latency value :P |
| 15:54.05 | Yewbacca2 | It'll convert the rendered text to local time |
| 15:54.11 | Yewbacca2 | Aelobin I was gonna write about that after answering this hehe |
| 15:54.14 | Yewbacca2 | Great minds think alike |
| 15:54.53 | Yewbacca2 | Combat log update: Get offset the way I did it. Then subtract current latency. But it's not certain if latency actually is already compensated |
| 15:55.03 | Yewbacca2 | Ie: Packet is received by WoW. WoW corrects it via current latency. |
| 15:55.07 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: It depends on the application. In my particular case, I want to know the time, ins econds, on teh server, that user 'A' generated an event, versus user 'B' generating an event. |
| 15:55.13 | Yewbacca2 | I think that is very likely. so timestamp is probably already latency corrected |
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| 15:55.40 | Yewbacca2 | That's a common network technique when you send timestamps anyway. |
| 15:55.49 | Yewbacca2 | I'd be surprised if they don't do it |
| 15:55.50 | zenzelezz | rvalue references make my head hurt... |
| 15:56.09 | Cruciformer | but tis easy enough for me to calculate the offset using date() and GetGameTime() |
| 15:57.09 | Yewbacca2 | Well you have two ways of display, either date("format", mtime()) which will use the current SERVER TIME as seen as local text (ie in reference to where you live in the world) |
| 15:57.32 | Yewbacca2 | OR you could find out where their server is located in teh world via ip lookup, and then subtract/add the seconds for that server's offset, and display it as server time. |
| 15:57.51 | Yewbacca2 | I doubt that there is a command for getting the server's UTC offset (that is pointless for pretty much every purpose) |
| 15:58.07 | Yewbacca2 | Just use date("format", mtime()), that IS the server time, shown using your timezone offset. |
| 15:58.27 | Yewbacca2 | It only adds/subtracts whole hours from it, to show it in local date and time |
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| 15:58.30 | amro | Bibi-: ping |
| 15:58.33 | Yewbacca2 | Not seconds etc, so it's as acurate. |
| 15:59.01 | Cruciformer | ok cool |
| 15:59.06 | Yewbacca2 | Is there a reason you want to show it as if you lived in their country? is there a point to seeing 8 pm when it's 1 am your time? It's still going to use sec and millisec |
| 15:59.18 | Cruciformer | now wonder most chimeheads are nuts. this stuff makes the brain hurt. |
| 15:59.19 | Yewbacca2 | Ok nvm I see you get it :D |
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| 15:59.35 | Yewbacca2 | Hahah, indeed it does. |
| 15:59.49 | Cruciformer | brb need a coffee fix |
| 16:00.09 | Yewbacca2 | I'll try to whip up an image that illustrates this. |
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| 16:07.37 | Cruciformer | whats the +format character to UNIX's date command to get seconds since the epoch? |
| 16:08.44 | Cruciformer | nvm found it its %s |
| 16:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | !g unix man page date |
| 16:08.47 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: UNIX man pages : date () <http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?date> |
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| 16:09.20 | Cruciformer | ya I used local man I thought someone knew it off the top of their heads |
| 16:10.02 | Fisker | what's the google page to scan a page for security issues? |
| 16:14.08 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.auditmypc.com/ ? |
| 16:14.17 | Fisker | no |
| 16:15.37 | kd3 | rofl; the wallabies getting high as a kite story made it to fark |
| 16:17.02 | Cruciformer | heh |
| 16:17.27 | Cruciformer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.37 | alestane | Wallabies what? |
| 16:18.47 | kd3 | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31539546/ns/world_news-weird_news/ |
| 16:20.40 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:26.23 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer matey mate I made an image for you |
| 16:26.26 | Yewbacca2 | I went overkill |
| 16:26.43 | Yewbacca2 | Gonna upload it to my server now |
| 16:26.49 | Cruciformer | :)) |
| 16:27.18 | Yewbacca2 | Only because I love you so much :D |
| 16:27.23 | Cruciformer | Using Tsar Bomba to swat a fly is overkill, making images of this chimehead stuff is just useful :) |
| 16:27.28 | Cruciformer | woot! |
| 16:27.58 | Cruciformer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba if u dont know what tsar bomba was |
| 16:28.08 | kd3 | wait, wait, you mean we shouldn't be brining out tsar bomba for taking out flies? |
| 16:28.20 | kd3 | but I like blowing up small eastern-european countries every time I need to kill something |
| 16:28.26 | Cruciformer | kd3: I prefer to keep mine for frogs, personally |
| 16:28.59 | Yewbacca2 | http://www.pulseforce.com/node/time_vis.jpg |
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| 16:29.27 | Yewbacca2 | I have lots of tsar bombas ... in my pants! |
| 16:29.51 | tem|work | Bibi-: ping |
| 16:30.42 | Yewbacca2 | The image illustrates timezones, destination (UTC+0) timestamp which all unix timestamp functions on all systems generate by taking localtime, minus gmt UTC offset, to generate neutral timestamps for use anywhere. |
| 16:30.57 | Yewbacca2 | And also how the server timestamp, with its better clock, will correct any drift you had locally. |
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| 16:31.30 | Yewbacca2 | Lastly, it mentions how we can test whether the timestamp is lag-adjusted for the packet latency, which I am almost 100% sure it is, ie "gaeme receives packet, game had 100ms lag, game adjusts timestamp part of packet by 100 ms" |
| 16:31.49 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 16:32.06 | Yewbacca2 | That is almost 100% certainly done before we see it. But we can test with 2 clients with different connection speeds watching the same combat log event |
| 16:32.14 | Yewbacca2 | If they report the same timestamp for the same event, they are lag adjusted |
| 16:32.41 | kd3 | grr... 20920/21k |
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| 16:33.21 | Cruciformer | k3: btw speaking of nuclear arsenal I have a funny story to tell you. |
| 16:33.23 | Yewbacca2 | Note the seconds value in the timestamp numbers you see in the middle. |
| 16:33.50 | Cruciformer | k3: I read this on the net about 3-4 years ago. Some reporter was writing on the Enola Gay moving to the smithsonian or something. |
| 16:34.17 | Cruciformer | His/her editor changed the story title and text to be "Enola Homosexual moves to smithsonian". |
| 16:34.22 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 16:34.28 | Yewbacca2 | This implementation shifts focus from "seeing milliseconds on local clock" to "having an accurate reference clock with milliseconds, free from local badly setup clocks, and usable for syncing raid addon communication" |
| 16:34.38 | Cruciformer | I thought you'd like that :) |
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| 16:36.33 | Yewbacca2 | Understand it now? ;) That's what timestamps are, and that's why date("format", timestamp) is the way to do it, because date() adjusts it to local time on-display, and that's what you want. |
| 16:37.23 | Yewbacca2 | And if you want to use it for addon communication, simply make the addon send the mtime() value on the addon talk channel, and merge any identical values with a maximum drift of ~0.2 sec as being the same message, or maybe implement message IDs and you wouldn't have to timestamp it at all. |
| 16:37.53 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: In my particular application I dont want it converted to local, at all. If user a in UTC generates an event, and 5 seconds later user B in UTC-4 generates an event, I want the "event id" to be 5 seconds apart. |
| 16:38.12 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: so if I could get date() for format in UTC without adjusting for local time I would be golden. |
| 16:39.13 | Yewbacca2 | Hmm, that doesn't make sense because a timestamp is offset-free as it is, it's ALWAYS UTC 0, and has to be adjusted when displayed. date() will always apply adjustment, so if you want to display it raw you cannot use date() |
| 16:39.32 | Cruciformer | omfg I am a complete and utter idiot. I just got it. |
| 16:39.51 | Cruciformer | I was wanting to date the output of GetIme() or mtime(), run it through date() to get a string, and store the string. |
| 16:40.02 | Yewbacca2 | ie, if you hve the same timestamp on a machine in UTC-7 and on one in UTC+2, they will draw it using their local timezone, so while minutes and seconds will match, the day and hour etc will be local to them. |
| 16:40.10 | Cruciformer | Instead I can just store the freakin number returned by mtime, and it will always be correct. |
| 16:40.16 | Yewbacca2 | Exactly :P |
| 16:40.29 | Yewbacca2 | And then just display them to each addon user with date() locally, and it will be correct to each of them. |
| 16:40.31 | Cruciformer | Ok I deserve a troutslap for not getting that before. |
| 16:40.34 | Yewbacca2 | Hehe |
| 16:40.53 | Yewbacca2 | And as the image shows, it syncs up to their better clock when the event is received, and from that point on you have a high-quality timestamp on each lient. |
| 16:41.12 | Yewbacca2 | If you would have used time() + figuring out milliseconds-method, you could have one user whose clock is about 5 minutes wrong, and his UTC timestmap would be 5 minutes wrong |
| 16:41.39 | Cruciformer | since the events in my case are user generated by interacting withteh UI, I will always have the accurate combatlog time becuase that will have fired long before they can open the UI to kloot stuff off a boss. |
| 16:41.46 | Yewbacca2 | with this method, they will be way more synced. if timestamp is lag-compensated on a packet-level by wow, which it SHOULD be, then you'll only have maybe ~50 msec difference between clients |
| 16:41.51 | Yewbacca2 | After syncing to the server |
| 16:42.12 | Yewbacca2 | Yep. |
| 16:42.37 | Cruciformer | and since I dount anyone can loot or click UI elements at < 1 second intervals, I dont care about MS resolution. |
| 16:43.02 | Yewbacca2 | That's why this method is way better than time() + onupdate to figure out time() with milliseconds, because time() is by its very nature unreliable due to incorrectly setup clocks on people's computers |
| 16:43.23 | Lunessa | It's hot. Africa hot. Tarzan couldn't take this heat. |
| 16:43.31 | kd3 | yay, 3 titles in 5 minutes |
| 16:43.47 | Yewbacca2 | And that's also why it is better than onupdate() checking serverhour+minute constantly and startign a millisec counter as soon as the minute ticks over (this takes up to 59 seconds to happen, and it is dependent on lag caused by FPS rate, since onupdate happens at the fps speed) |
| 16:44.32 | Yewbacca2 | This combat log method receives a raw timestamp from the game client; this timestamp comes from the raw packet that WoW received, and almost 100% certainly has been lag-adjusted with "timestamp + knownLag" internally in WoW, to make the timestamps usable. |
| 16:45.18 | Yewbacca2 | The latter will be verifiable if you get two clients with wildly varying lag, and make them both print(...), which will output the entire combat log message, includign timestmap, what happened, etc. You then look for an identical event and check the timestmaps |
| 16:45.36 | Yewbacca2 | If they are not the same or near, we'll need to add one more thing: a method which checks current lag and subtracts that from the timestamp. |
| 16:45.45 | Yewbacca2 | That's something for later, because I only have one machine and connection :P |
| 16:45.55 | Yewbacca2 | But overall this could be a new way for addons to sync. |
| 16:46.33 | Cruciformer | ya thats what I am using this for, syncing loot events between officers who may not have been online |
| 16:46.40 | Yewbacca2 | Ah |
| 16:46.41 | Cruciformer | its for a suicide kings mod I am writing |
| 16:47.03 | Cruciformer | my very first mod so I am learning a lot as I go |
| 16:47.21 | Yewbacca2 | Hmm, to set up the test we'd need 2 characters on the same server, using different internet connections, both running an addon that prints the entire combat log messages, and see if the timestmaps match up |
| 16:47.28 | Yewbacca2 | I love how I am mistyping timestamps every time, in various ways |
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| 16:47.50 | Yewbacca2 | Cool :) Congrats, it's fun |
| 16:48.09 | Cruciformer | th prps f cmmnctn s t mk yr mnng clr |
| 16:48.27 | Cruciformer | spelling is for the weak :) |
| 16:48.35 | Cruciformer | vowels too |
| 16:48.56 | Yewbacca2 | Haha :D I type VERY quickly and find that reading things for errors is for the weak :D |
| 16:49.11 | Cruciformer | want a neat trick? |
| 16:49.27 | Cruciformer | if you ever have to proof-read something for spelling errors, read it backwards |
| 16:49.33 | Cruciformer | otherwise your brain fills in too much |
| 16:51.02 | Yewbacca2 | Oh cool |
| 16:51.06 | alestane | The whole phenomenon where someone can say the wrong word and you still hear want they meant. |
| 16:51.11 | alestane | what* |
| 16:51.37 | Yewbacca2 | That's the thing, you often fill in words, and miss the misspellings :) I'm gonna remember to try that technique |
| 16:52.08 | Yewbacca2 | I really wanna verify the packet lag compensation in WoW now haha, but haven't got 2 clients to try with |
| 16:52.26 | Lunessa | I use the technique of waiting a day to proof something I've written. |
| 16:52.44 | Yewbacca2 | Yeah I am a musician and I find that waiting a day you'll get a totally new perspective on the composition |
| 16:53.05 | Yewbacca2 | You get so used to something that taking a break clears that attachment |
| 16:53.08 | Cruciformer | I used to use the technique of my hyper-critical grandmother who was an english teacher for 43 years ... but that option is no longer available. |
| 16:53.18 | Yewbacca2 | lol |
| 16:53.24 | Yewbacca2 | well cruci.. I have an idea |
| 16:53.45 | Cruciformer | if this is more chimehead stuff the answer is NO :) |
| 16:53.46 | alestane | Not an idea! Anything but that! |
| 16:53.52 | alestane | You'll destroy us all! |
| 16:54.09 | Yewbacca2 | Gonna write an event that listens for a SPECIFIC event in combat log: UNIT_DIED, and sends all the packet details AND CURRENT LAG VALUE to the party. That way me and a friend can be on the same server, team up, kill some stuff and check timestmaps. I |
| 16:54.33 | Yewbacca2 | If it says something like "800ms lag, 4030 timestamp", and "10ms lag, 4039 timestamp" (short example timestamps), you know it's lag-adjuste |
| 16:54.47 | Cruciformer | yup |
| 16:54.48 | Yewbacca2 | And when that is confirmed, you have a totally new addon sync technique that actually uses a good reference point. |
| 16:55.00 | Cruciformer | altho only time I see lag being a problem is if its > 1000ms |
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| 16:55.25 | Yewbacca2 | lag is not the thing here, we need to make sure the timestamp in the packet from the server is the same for every person no matter their lag ;) |
| 16:55.32 | Cruciformer | I am tying to abstract a generic data-sync library |
| 16:55.33 | Yewbacca2 | It's to make sure we get the right reference point |
| 16:55.42 | Yewbacca2 | kk |
| 16:55.50 | Yewbacca2 | I'm gonna write that tiny addon now, brb |
| 16:55.55 | Cruciformer | co I know in teh future I will need it again |
| 16:57.53 | Cruciformer | Is it justme or is this ambiguously worded: "The Tsar Bomba was the culmination of a series of high-yield thermonuclear weapons designed by the USSR and USA during the 1950s." |
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| 16:58.34 | alestane | Maybe slightly. I think to most readers the intended meaning is clear, though. |
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| 16:58.44 | Cruciformer | that could be read as "the USSR and USA together designed" or "the USSR designed and the USA designed" |
| 16:59.33 | alestane | If you had no knowledge of history you might be able to read it that may. |
| 16:59.35 | Cruciformer | guess its time to </pedantic> |
| 16:59.41 | alestane | way* |
| 17:00.18 | Cruciformer | Considering how many poorly educated (especially in history) children use wikipedia, that may be a pretty large audience. |
| 17:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | It's harsh to expect everyone to write for the lowest common denominator. |
| 17:01.11 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: I agree. |
| 17:02.17 | Cruciformer | although to be honest I am having hard time disambiguating (is that even a word?) that sentence without it sounding too verbose and pedantic. |
| 17:02.52 | alestane | They're referring to a single series, so I think it's fine. |
| 17:02.57 | Cruciformer | mybe just "by the USSR and *the* USA" |
| 17:03.25 | Cruciformer | anyway back to my mod this is a distraction. |
| 17:03.39 | ZorbaTHut | cruciformer, "The USSR and USA independently designed high-yield thermonuclear weapons during the 1950s. This culminated in the Tsar Bomba, built and detonated by the USSR in (year)" |
| 17:04.05 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: bravo :) |
| 17:04.21 | alestane | Even if each bomb in the series was designed by one or the other, the series was designed by the two countries, and the Tsar Bomba was the culmination of that series. It's fine, really. |
| 17:04.57 | Cruciformer | yeah thats a valid point alestane |
| 17:05.00 | alestane | But ZorbaTHut's solution is pretty unambiguous. |
| 17:05.29 | Cruciformer | I love debating thiss ort of thing with smart people. not enough of those around imho. |
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| 17:10.43 | Cruciformer | Hah! Yewbacca2 ... reading the Lua manual I discoered the little gem that is date("!format") ... formats times in UTC instead of local time :) |
| 17:12.39 | Yewbacca2 | ah :) I am back, took food break |
| 17:12.47 | Yewbacca2 | I never get tired of this "Welcome to the Internet...where the men are nerds, the women are men, and the children are FBI Agents." |
| 17:13.06 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 17:14.57 | Cruciformer | god landscape mode keyboard for sms on an iphone rocks. |
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| 17:17.36 | Lunessa | I /love/ how the office comes to a total standstill when someone brings a baby by to visit. |
| 17:17.37 | Vonhinten | Is the new iphone software stable? |
| 17:17.48 | Vonhinten | or a dog lunessa |
| 17:18.03 | Lunessa | And by /love/ I really mean "wish I could bury them all in concrete." |
| 17:18.07 | alestane | "Time out to look at the baby!" |
| 17:18.17 | Cruciformer | Vonhinten: Has been for me so far, and I have to use the sim unlock hack on top of it since AT&T wouldnt unlock my phone when I left the USA. |
| 17:18.43 | Vonhinten | lol, just because you're an antisocial gaming reject not interested in the best life has to offer.... doesn't mean that everyone else is =P |
| 17:19.09 | Cruciformer | <-- firmly exercises his right to not breed. |
| 17:20.09 | Bruners | they should invent weekly raid quests |
| 17:20.38 | Lunessa | I don't mind children. I rather like them in general. I dislike that our group is 75% women who suddenly feel compelled to bask in the glow of motherhood - for someone else's child, just because said child is under the age of 1. |
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| 17:21.39 | alestane | Lunessa: It's not exclusive to women, although I think it tends to hit them more strongly. I suspect it's partly reflexive. |
| 17:21.40 | Shirik_ | well that was pretty awesome |
| 17:21.48 | Shirik_ | Adobe didn't even ask to install update |
| 17:22.02 | Vonhinten | Auto-updaters are the devil |
| 17:22.11 | Shirik_ | it's just like "ooh update!" and then crashes IE (because it had a acrobat window open) and proceeds to install |
| 17:22.17 | Shirik_ | literally crash, IE was like "pz lates" |
| 17:22.20 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa -- one of my coworkers has her 4 year old in today.. the whole friggin office is at a standstill. |
| 17:22.20 | Lunessa | The entire office staff was clustered around this kid, and the noise level scared it, and the squalling was like someone torturing a cat. |
| 17:23.00 | Vonhinten | see, that I can't handle... crying baby's are my kryptonite |
| 17:23.11 | Lunessa | Shirik: That's a setting in the Acrobat.ini file "Fux0rIESession = TRUE" |
| 17:24.09 | Yewbacca2 | What's that? A joke at IE ? |
| 17:24.13 | Cruciformer | my pet peeve is newborns. "Oh its so beautiful! Oh its got its mothers nose, or its fathers ahnds". No, it is NOT cute, its an 8lb food-to-shit-and-noise converter and it looks nothing like either of its parent,s its a wrinkled lump of skin and bones. Get over it. |
| 17:24.57 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer I am done eating and making that tiny test addon. Gonna get 2 friends to use it. You may wanna do the same. http://www.pulseforce.com/node/lagCompTest.zip |
| 17:25.02 | Vonhinten | I'm a firm believer that a woman should pull out a breast and shove it in baby's face to immediately stop crying... everyone wins |
| 17:25.32 | Lunessa | Yewbacca2: I routinely lambast IE - Having worked on IE back in the day, and being forced to support it now, I know what a true piece of shit it really is. |
| 17:25.39 | Yewbacca2 | When you are in party and something dies around you (doesn't have to be by one of you), each player that runs it outpus the timestamp they saw, their lag, and their fps |
| 17:26.09 | Yewbacca2 | Lunessa Well I talked to a friend at MS who was in the old days and he said that he was told to code things that are not in standards, so that people would use those features, and making sits break on other browsers |
| 17:26.15 | Yewbacca2 | The end result = more people think IE is the best = more use it |
| 17:26.19 | Cruciformer | Vonhinten: I used to think teh same way till I moved to santa cru where *everyone* breast-fed in public. Everyone except the few cute mothers who you may actually wanna see breastfeeding. But all the saggy hippies ... whipped em out at mach 3 every time a whelp opened its mouth. |
| 17:26.30 | Yewbacca2 | s/sits/sites |
| 17:26.33 | alestane | Like they're currently doing now with Outlook? |
| 17:27.19 | Lunessa | It's nothing new at microsoft. "DOS isn't done until Lotus doesn't run." |
| 17:27.35 | Yewbacca2 | Lunessa you've heard that? :O |
| 17:27.42 | Lunessa | Yewbacca2: I lived it |
| 17:27.55 | Yewbacca2 | I see. No wonder they deserve those antitrust lawsuits. |
| 17:28.04 | alestane | Yes, yes they do. |
| 17:28.22 | alestane | They are the embodiment of "anticompetitive business practices." |
| 17:28.28 | alestane | Less so today, but not much. |
| 17:28.32 | Lunessa | I fought the browser wars. My side capitulated for money. |
| 17:28.51 | Vonhinten | as did I |
| 17:28.52 | Yewbacca2 | Which side? |
| 17:29.02 | Vonhinten | but to be perfectly honest with you, Netscape fucking blew |
| 17:29.03 | Cruciformer | netscrape? |
| 17:29.10 | Vonhinten | it couldn't render tables to save its life |
| 17:29.26 | drfuzzykins | Yewbacca2: sides? There were no sides. It was a different time then. Brother against brother, father against son... |
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| 17:29.44 | Lunessa | I was a programmer at AOL, Inc. |
| 17:29.54 | Cruciformer | ncsa mosaic ftw :) |
| 17:30.07 | Vonhinten | I was one of the HOST's in the teen programming channel about a decade ago =P |
| 17:30.12 | Vonhinten | on AOL |
| 17:30.48 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:31.05 | Yewbacca2 | Vonhinten ooooh :D Got youtube video of that? |
| 17:31.09 | durcyn | Vonhinten: and you're proud of this why |
| 17:31.20 | Yewbacca2 | Because it's funny |
| 17:31.21 | Lunessa | Vonhinten: It was an exciting time. We had our own browser, and it was good. By M$ offered us so much money to integrate IE that management folded. |
| 17:31.37 | Vonhinten | durcyn, contrary to what you might believe, there were quite a few very awesome developers in there |
| 17:31.53 | kd3 | still rages at nullsoft selling out |
| 17:32.06 | Lunessa | Vonhinten: You were extrnal or volunteer staff? |
| 17:32.13 | Vonhinten | volunteer staff |
| 17:32.26 | Lunessa | You guys got screwed. |
| 17:32.28 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer damnit, I had two friends in mind, but while we talked one logged off and the other is doing arena |
| 17:32.31 | Vonhinten | HOSTCompJayB |
| 17:32.49 | Vonhinten | Lunessa, I didn't pay for AOL for many years ;) |
| 17:32.51 | Cruciformer | Yewbacca2: its OK I am still futing with other stuff. |
| 17:32.56 | Lunessa | :D |
| 17:33.03 | kd3 | did anyone pay for aol? |
| 17:33.04 | Cruciformer | *futzing |
| 17:33.09 | kd3 | looks at his stack of aol floppies/CDs |
| 17:34.23 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh, sheeple! |
| 17:34.41 | Vonhinten | Lunessa, I remember hating that integrated browser with a passion =P I ran IE external |
| 17:36.02 | Lunessa | Vonhinten: you never got to see the development version we slaved over. It was awesome. |
| 17:36.06 | Vonhinten | That thing wasn't ActiveX back then was it, you guy must have had the code? |
| 17:36.52 | Lunessa | Of course, we're talking about '97 here. Awesome was pretty realtive. |
| 17:40.24 | kd3 | yay <blink> and <marquee>? |
| 17:40.43 | alestane | DIE PROPRIETARY EXTENSIONS DIE |
| 17:40.46 | Lunessa | Those were so evil. And everyone used them. |
| 17:40.57 | alestane | Of course, they were attention-getting. |
| 17:41.07 | Lunessa | Remember all those site "This looks best with Netscape in 800x600"? |
| 17:41.13 | kd3 | urgh |
| 17:41.15 | Vonhinten | and animated GIF were king |
| 17:41.16 | durcyn | don't forget center-aligned white text on a stars.gif background and a random midi file playing |
| 17:41.32 | durcyn | preferably 24pt bold italic fonts |
| 17:41.38 | alestane | Of course, they made the viewer want to spork his eyes out after the first time or two, but hey, there's no such thing as bad publicity. |
| 17:41.42 | Lunessa | Yellow text on green backgrounds |
| 17:41.59 | Lunessa | Or... EVERY site was BLACK |
| 17:42.05 | alestane | I'm teaching a class on web authoring and standards, I remember them well. |
| 17:42.12 | Vonhinten | Thank God those days are over |
| 17:42.38 | alestane | That's not so much thanks to a technological shift as a stylistic one. |
| 17:42.54 | alestane | People eventually realized that readability meant something. |
| 17:43.06 | kd3 | because the web designers of today remember getting their retinas burned out by the web of yesteryear... |
| 17:43.09 | Vonhinten | (also, thank God Cold Fusion didn't become dominant) |
| 17:43.53 | alestane | When my Computer Art teacher showed us Photoshop, he made our first assignment to take one picture and heap as many filters on it as we wanted..."Get it out of your systems now," he said. |
| 17:44.17 | alestane | The same thing happened to the Web for a while. |
| 17:45.19 | Vonhinten | (Also thank God that DirectX filters on the web didn't become dominant) |
| 17:45.38 | Lunessa | Everyone wanted to be "different" and "exciting" - and none of them understood funadmental design principals. |
| 17:46.29 | Vonhinten | It was also fun to go to Microsoft.com or MSDN.microsoft.com and disect their latest new site |
| 17:46.45 | Vonhinten | despite most of it being IE badness |
| 17:47.02 | Vonhinten | .htc components, etc |
| 17:48.08 | alestane | One of the cyber cafés at the last conference I teched was sponsored by Bing! We'll see if it's actually value-added, or just another expression of Microsoft's belief that people want to get everything through one maze-like portal. |
| 17:48.15 | Cruciformer | hrm I am not a fan of chatty delivery people. give me my food and GTFO, I eally dont want to talk about the economy with you. |
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| 17:48.42 | Vonhinten | So, Bing! is MS's renamed Live portal? |
| 17:48.43 | Yewbacca2 | Cruciformer: Guild agreed to test it after raid, woot. |
| 17:48.56 | Yewbacca2 | Bing is the worst name I Have heard, I hope they die. |
| 17:48.59 | alestane | Also, several users kept changing the home page on the cyber café computers to google, or walking away and leaving iGoDigital.com on the browser. |
| 17:49.09 | Vonhinten | I agree, Bing is a terrible marketing idea |
| 17:49.14 | alestane | Cruciformer: You'd be right at home in New Hampshire, then. |
| 17:49.33 | Cruciformer | alestane: they chatty or functional? |
| 17:49.34 | Yewbacca2 | Badabom badabing is what it reminds me of, and NOBODY messes with/cheapens the mafia/italiano saying :P |
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| 17:49.57 | Yewbacca2 | Bing sounds like a crappy sibling to Badabom Badabing |
| 17:49.57 | Yewbacca2 | The ugly sister |
| 17:50.28 | alestane | They hate it when, say, the drug store clerk says "So, how are you today?" rather than "Your change is $3.74; have a nice day." |
| 17:50.45 | zenzelezz | while I agree that "Bing!" isn't a brilliant name, I can't really say "Google", "Yahoo" or most other search engine names sound much better |
| 17:50.50 | alestane | You don't know me, why are you talking to me like you care? |
| 17:51.12 | Vonhinten | You're just antisocial alestane |
| 17:51.23 | alestane | Not me, the New Hampshire people. |
| 17:51.31 | Cruciformer | he was talking about NH people |
| 17:51.32 | Yewbacca2 | alestane sounds lovely :D |
| 17:51.35 | Cruciformer | Im the antisocial one :) |
| 17:51.42 | Vonhinten | Those people that are asking you how you're doing are normal :) |
| 17:52.11 | zenzelezz | normal... LIKE A FOX |
| 17:52.17 | Cruciformer | only for very generous values of "normal" |
| 17:52.27 | Vonhinten | Man, we need to get back to old 1900's values in this world |
| 17:52.40 | alestane | It's a very common New England attitude...finish your business and let me get on with mine, unless you are actually a firend of mine. |
| 17:52.43 | alestane | friend* |
| 17:53.07 | Cruciformer | Vonhinten: U mean back in the days when the wife didnt dare ask you about the mistress and just pretended like she didnt know what was going on? |
| 17:53.07 | Lunessa | Hey, I'm here to do something, not make a friend. And if I walked up to a clerk and just started chatting, the fucking clerk would be posting the conversation on notalwaysright.com |
| 17:53.50 | Vonhinten | You don't have to have a conversation, but friendly and polite isn't that hard |
| 17:54.10 | Cruciformer | anyway its dinner time I'll bbl |
| 17:54.36 | Vonhinten | like opening a door for people |
| 17:54.36 | Lunessa | I am friendly and polite. I just don't have a conversation about my change. |
| 17:54.55 | Cruciformer | Vonhinten: In this case witht eh delivery guy his notion of "conversation" was complaining about how long he had to wait to pick my food up becuase there were so many people there, and there is supposed to be a "recession". |
| 17:55.30 | alestane | To a lot of people, friendly and polite means saying "Thank you, you too," when the clerk says "Your change is $3.74, have a nice day." |
| 17:55.48 | alestane | Cruciformer: How long did he take talking about this? |
| 17:56.15 | Cruciformer | alestane: the whole time I was signing the CC slip and making sure they got the order right ... 2-3 mins. |
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| 17:56.36 | Vonhinten | "How are you today?" "Good, you?" "Can't complain" <hands change to you> "Thanks, have a good one" "You too" done |
| 17:56.44 | Vonhinten | took maybe 10 seconds longer |
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| 17:57.02 | alestane | If he didn't actually hold up the transaction, I wouldn't recommend making much of an issue of it. |
| 17:57.18 | Cruciformer | Vonhinten: yeah I am all in favour of that. |
| 17:57.19 | alestane | Vonhinten: Some people perceive an invasion of privacy in that kind of interaction. |
| 17:57.36 | Cruciformer | alestane: nah I was just being a bit pissy co Im tired and coming down with teh flu, please do excuse me. |
| 17:57.38 | Vonhinten | well, some people don't like to leave their house |
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| 17:57.49 | alestane | I'm not one of them, but there are plenty of people who do. |
| 17:58.18 | Cruciformer | anyways Im off to eat. |
| 17:58.46 | Vonhinten | There's too much animosity in metro areas, that's why I like living in smaller cities |
| 17:59.09 | Yewbacca2 | Passively Aggressive or Aggressively Passive? WTF? |
| 17:59.40 | alestane | Sherri Tepper brings up the interesting point that something changes in the human animal when anonymity becomes not only an option but a necessity for daily interaction. |
| 18:00.01 | Lunessa | I keep thinking that dragging alestane out to a crowded space would be hazardous to the occupants of said space... either of us might explode. |
| 18:00.24 | alestane | Lunessa: I'm not terribly socially impaired, in actuality. |
| 18:00.38 | zenzelezz | it's just that everyone else is |
| 18:00.44 | Lunessa | alestane: Me either. I just don't like crowds. :P |
| 18:00.45 | Vonhinten | hahaha |
| 18:00.48 | alestane | In extremely crowded spaces, where most of the people are strangers, I can get a little oppressed. |
| 18:01.51 | Lunessa | The Japanese have a very limited concept of personal space in the physical sense, but highly developed concept of personal space mentally/emotinally. |
| 18:02.30 | alestane | Almost every sentence carries overtones of how you relate to the person you're talking to and any people or groups you're discussing. |
| 18:03.08 | alestane | My texts described it as an "ingroup-outgroup" dynamic and it's fundamental to speaking good Japanese. |
| 18:04.12 | Lunessa | Their culture would do well, I think, in a generation ship. |
| 18:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | So! Quick, random poll! |
| 18:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Who here has had an issue with Minion that remains unresolved, and what was it? |
| 18:04.53 | alestane | What forms you use to refer to the person you're talking to, what forms you use to refer to yourself, what forms you surround your verbs with; there is a huge amount of social information compressed into a Japanese conversation. |
| 18:04.58 | Vonhinten | lol lunessa, wow |
| 18:05.41 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: It still installs goddamned healbot every time I run it |
| 18:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: ha. Any chance you could upload your log and config.xml (when you get a moment/access to that computer)? |
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| 18:15.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thats not actually a bug, thats shirik trying to tell you something. ;) |
| 18:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | Then shirik is hinting to me too! :) |
| 18:16.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, actually i had the same issue.. :P |
| 18:16.28 | zenzelezz | or... is it sponsorship? Conspiracy! |
| 18:16.48 | zenzelezz | remember, you can't spell "conspiracy" without "piracy" |
| 18:17.09 | amro | nor without "cons" |
| 18:17.31 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Are you also glad ColdFusion didn't become dominant, or is it still too dominant for you? |
| 18:18.03 | Lopeppeppy | alestane -- our CMS uses coldfusion. |
| 18:18.22 | Bruners | Fisker: sap? |
| 18:18.30 | alestane | [1:43pm] Vonhinten: (also, thank God Cold Fusion didn't become dominant) |
| 18:18.32 | zenzelezz | I long for the day when we go from ColdFusion to cold fusion |
| 18:18.50 | alestane | But then I remembered you're stuck with it anyway. |
| 18:19.14 | _rane | any suggestions for an addon that shows distinctively if a buff fades from you? |
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| 18:19.45 | _rane | I'm looking for something like power auras classic, but it can't be made to trigger on these events |
| 18:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm stuck with sooooo many things. OMG and roflcopter around the room. |
| 18:21.32 | Bruners | what ui scale is optimal for 1680x1050 ? |
| 18:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | whatever you happen to like. |
| 18:22.02 | alestane | bbl, picking up a car. |
| 18:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | UI scale is sort of a matter of personal taste... mine has been set at the lowest on all of my monitors, whatever their size. I just like the open space. |
| 18:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: remember, lift with your legs |
| 18:22.59 | zenzelezz | I've never touched the UI scale at all, not on 1280x1024, nor on 1600x1200 or 1920x1200 |
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| 18:38.18 | durcyn | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8118257.stm |
| 18:38.43 | durcyn | Wallabies = aliens, obviously |
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| 19:06.45 | Lunessa | ... blackberry mobile devices do not like our network |
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| 19:11.58 | Thunder_Child | i dont remeber Corki being so mean |
| 19:12.01 | Arrowmaster | ~weather KDAY |
| 19:12.12 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 19:13.52 | Thunder_Child | ~weather KLAX |
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| 19:13.53 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 19:13.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: don't you have work to be doing instead of playing twitter games ;) |
| 19:14.34 | Thunder_Child | 66 my ass |
| 19:15.09 | Lunessa | Your hemorrhoids do not concern me, Commander. |
| 19:15.36 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: compiling |
| 19:15.37 | Kaelten | :D |
| 19:16.09 | Lunessa | Kaelten: OWNED! |
| 19:16.40 | Kaelten | but right now actually I'm starting to get hungry |
| 19:16.43 | Kaelten | grabbing fast food brb |
| 19:16.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: doh.. :) |
| 19:17.45 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:17.56 | jnwhiteh | anyone have connections so I can buy an android dev 1 or g2 cheap? |
| 19:18.01 | jnwhiteh | unlocked 900/1800 pls :P |
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| 19:18.21 | Arrowmaster | anybody can buy a g1 dev version |
| 19:18.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 19:18.29 | jnwhiteh | i don't want to pay $400 |
| 19:18.46 | jnwhiteh | as in asking if anyone has one they'd part with cause they no longer use it |
| 19:19.01 | KarlKFI | lulz, no longer use a smart phone |
| 19:19.12 | KarlKFI | onyl way that'd happen is if they bought a #GS |
| 19:19.20 | KarlKFI | 3GS* |
| 19:19.25 | jnwhiteh | <# my nokia e71 |
| 19:19.26 | jnwhiteh | so much |
| 19:20.08 | KarlKFI | i just sshed into my iPhone a curled a new Contacts icon into my Star Trek Theme folder. |
| 19:20.35 | jnwhiteh | Google Android User interface (non-Android OS) |
| 19:20.38 | jnwhiteh | what does that mean? |
| 19:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i really wish Apple would ditch att as the exclusive provider >< |
| 19:21.05 | KarlKFI | why? there's no good alternative int he US atm |
| 19:21.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I prefer t-mobile |
| 19:21.18 | KarlKFI | tmobile doesn't use 3G |
| 19:21.33 | KarlKFI | slow edge everywhere |
| 19:21.37 | Thunder_Child | i have t-mo and it suck |
| 19:21.37 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. |
| 19:21.49 | NightHawkTheSane | no, t-mobile uses 3g, its just not quite the same as att's |
| 19:22.02 | NightHawkTheSane | which is moronic, but bleh |
| 19:22.18 | durcyn | just wait, we'll have LTE and wimax everywhere soon </snark> |
| 19:22.20 | KarlKFI | tmobile is the only other competitor that can use the iPhoen int he US and it's coverage is pitiable |
| 19:22.34 | KarlKFI | they'd have to change the hardware |
| 19:22.50 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i'm not getting into a service provider pissing contest, because i dont care, but ive never had issues with t-mobile. *shrug* |
| 19:23.13 | KarlKFI | it works ok with a regular phone. do you ahve a smart phone on tmo? |
| 19:23.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, g1 |
| 19:23.48 | KarlKFI | cause it basically piggy backs on other companies signals for the higher bandwidth signals. |
| 19:23.55 | KarlKFI | afaik |
| 19:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | could be. |
| 19:24.21 | KarlKFI | they dont have a very good spread of their own towers |
| 19:24.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never had significant problems with them either way. |
| 19:24.54 | durcyn | all of the domestic carriers share towers anyway, not sure what your problem is there |
| 19:25.23 | KarlKFI | verison and att definitely dont share towers, they use different technilogies |
| 19:25.41 | KarlKFI | god i cant spell |
| 19:25.56 | Lunessa | T-Mobile is useless, Alec Barwdwin! |
| 19:26.01 | KarlKFI | onyl tiem those 2 can share is for analog signal |
| 19:26.21 | KarlKFI | and if you're on analog it's bad times |
| 19:26.32 | KarlKFI | and no internets for you |
| 19:26.38 | Lunessa | I have t-mobile and I can't get a signal on campus. EVER. |
| 19:26.49 | durcyn | and it's not like all of the towers are owned by cell companies anyway |
| 19:32.05 | KarlKFI | lol, looka t this 3G coverage: http://coverage.t-mobile.com/Default.aspx?MapType=Data&WT.mc_t=micro&WT.mc_n=G1_check3Gcoverage |
| 19:32.43 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:33.57 | KarlKFI | not terrible where i live |
| 19:34.24 | KarlKFI | just don't expect it when traveling |
| 19:35.24 | KarlKFI | as long as you live ina metro area you should be fine tho |
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| 19:36.16 | Kraps | You're like school in the summertime -- no class. |
| 19:36.29 | KarlKFI | lol, awesome: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/37788 |
| 19:37.27 | KarlKFI | 5000 sqft. mini cell tower that converts 3G to IP |
| 19:37.33 | KarlKFI | using your broadband |
| 19:39.39 | Arrowmaster | thats perty big |
| 19:40.03 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if people would notice if i was using one of those, since they would likely connect to it too an all |
| 19:40.40 | KarlKFI | the only real question is how much bandwidth it uses per user |
| 19:40.53 | KarlKFI | well and if it's lease only |
| 19:41.02 | KarlKFI | which it probably is |
| 19:41.04 | Arrowmaster | and if i can packet sniff it |
| 19:41.12 | KarlKFI | heh |
| 19:41.26 | Arrowmaster | IM IN YOUR CELL TOWER RECORDING YOUR CALLS! |
| 19:41.42 | Arrowmaster | er wait |
| 19:41.52 | Arrowmaster | YOUR IN MY CELL TOWER AND IM RECORDING YOUR CALLS! |
| 19:42.44 | KarlKFI | interesting.... wonder if you could say, live near the white house.... and put one up... |
| 19:42.54 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt work |
| 19:42.59 | KarlKFI | lol of course not |
| 19:43.07 | KarlKFI | i'm sure they have their own already |
| 19:43.21 | Arrowmaster | nsa has their own cell phones |
| 19:43.33 | KarlKFI | prez has a blackberry tho |
| 19:43.40 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 19:47.09 | Yewbacca2 | Are there any player-cache libraries used by more than 1 addon, that communicate with each other sending stuff like player class and level of targetetd players? If so I'll include it in my addon. |
| 19:47.16 | Kraps | Ghostcrawler: Death knights are the only current Hero class, which means they are supposed to be the best class in the game. |
| 19:47.17 | Yewbacca2 | If not, I'll write my own playercache |
| 19:47.31 | Yewbacca2 | Kraps!?!! Hahah |
| 19:47.34 | Kraps | No, no, I mean that death knights are an anti-magic tank, which means you bring them out for fights like Hydross and curb them for Patchwerk. |
| 19:47.37 | Yewbacca2 | Ghostcrawler is such a moron |
| 19:47.46 | Kraps | hes kidding |
| 19:47.49 | Vonhinten | No he's not |
| 19:47.53 | Vonhinten | a moron |
| 19:47.59 | Kraps | hes kidding |
| 19:48.21 | durcyn | you want a moron, go talk to Kalgan. Ghostcrawler's just too sarcastic for his own good |
| 19:48.24 | Yewbacca2 | If he's so smart, how come he's so stupid? (I dare you to argue with that argument :P) |
| 19:48.36 | Yewbacca2 | durcyn yeah he's nasty-sarcastic |
| 19:48.57 | End | he's said some stupid things I can't really agree with though |
| 19:49.15 | End | I didn't mean to say stupid, but oh boy I was thinking it |
| 19:49.20 | Kraps | Yewbacca2: if he wanst nasty-sarcastic, he'd have /wrists a long time ago |
| 19:49.42 | End | guess what guys. soulshatter is for emergencies *cryface* |
| 19:49.56 | Yewbacca2 | Kraps that redhead comes to mind, Eric. Tigole? |
| 19:50.02 | End | (although, cooldown is being lowered, so I can't complain too much) |
| 19:50.10 | KarlKFI | you should keep your soul intact, imo |
| 19:50.24 | End | naw, have to shatter it, or else the nasty monsters will eat me! |
| 19:50.38 | End | or I guess, I could not dps, but that's boring |
| 19:50.47 | durcyn | End: yet no one seems to have caught on to the fact that our threat issues are caused by fel armor ticks |
| 19:50.48 | Dewin | Hmm... I now own an espresso machine, except I think it's not brewing very strong espresso. |
| 19:51.01 | Kraps | KarlKFI: i dont think locks care either way |
| 19:51.13 | Dewin | However, not being able to taste the coffee flavor is better than tasting Charbucks, I think. |
| 19:51.16 | End | our fel armor ticks don't cause that much threat overall |
| 19:51.17 | End | although |
| 19:51.23 | End | they're bad towards the beginning of a fight |
| 19:51.36 | End | the results are sometimes hilarious when I'm not topped off on a pull |
| 19:52.27 | End | (not hilarious for me though...just scary for me) |
| 19:53.46 | Kraps | [03:49:47]<End>guess what guys. soulshatter is for emergencies *cryface* |
| 19:53.51 | Kraps | and? |
| 19:58.25 | End | on boss fights, it's not for emergencies |
| 19:59.43 | Bruners | End: you pull bosses before everyone is topped on health/mana? |
| 19:59.54 | End | I don't no |
| 20:00.10 | End | tanks do a lot in 5mans :P |
| 20:00.20 | End | and on trash in raids |
| 20:00.28 | End | trash is serious business |
| 20:00.32 | End | not really |
| 20:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont usually top people off even on boss pulls if they're not tanking, and are at > 95% health |
| 20:01.26 | End | THANKS NHTS. I just pulled aggro |
| 20:01.30 | End | no I'm kidding |
| 20:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | End: then l2food :P |
| 20:01.41 | End | since I probably t...yeah |
| 20:01.56 | End | usually we lay a fish feast right before boss pull, so that kinda tops me off ;-p |
| 20:02.02 | NightHawkTheSane | you're lucky the healers even heal you DURING the fight |
| 20:02.08 | End | they better |
| 20:02.35 | End | we almost wiped because I died on mimi :P |
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| 20:02.46 | End | assault bot got loose and killed me |
| 20:02.48 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 20:02.50 | End | when I was tanking head |
| 20:03.24 | End | apparently healers find it easier to heal when the heads not randomly changing targets |
| 20:03.36 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
| 20:03.46 | End | not healer fault there though |
| 20:03.56 | End | at least, not my death :P |
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| 20:22.21 | zenzelezz | "ranian state television's Channel Two is playing a Lord of the Rings marathon in an attempt to keep people inside watching hobbits and not protesting in the streets. Normally people in Tehran are treated to one or two Hollywood movies a week, but with recent events the government hopes that sitting through a nine hour trilogy will take the fight out of most." |
| 20:22.26 | zenzelezz | + I |
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| 20:22.33 | zenzelezz | interesting strategy |
| 20:23.30 | Beladona | that or they will all mount elephants during their nest protest |
| 20:23.34 | Beladona | next* |
| 20:24.12 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 20:25.43 | amro | does anyone have code for prettyprinting a table lying around? |
| 20:25.44 | p3lim | I need someone to translate some stings from english to german for me, anyone? |
| 20:26.05 | amro | p3lim: just put some typos and umlauts in there, you'll be fine |
| 20:28.15 | Lunessa | damn, amro, I was going to say that. |
| 20:28.50 | copystring | I'm from germany, what do you need p3lim? |
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| 20:29.17 | p3lim | copystring: sec ill pm you |
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| 20:44.34 | Kraps | i know ie suck, but why would it crash when opening an offline htm page? /facepalm |
| 20:45.20 | Kraps | Internet Explorer has stopped trying to restore this website. It appears that the website continues to have a problem. |
| 20:45.27 | Kraps | seriously? |
| 20:46.54 | Thunder_Child | FF crashed when i tried to open a locally generated page |
| 20:47.46 | Fisker | final fantasy? |
| 20:47.52 | Fisker | Btw i've decided not to blow up the world |
| 20:48.30 | tekkub | Kraps: are you sure it's the website that has the problem? :P |
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| 20:49.03 | Kraps | offline book pages look really good in chrome |
| 20:50.38 | nicoli_s | fisker no one cares what you do till you get me muh sc2 |
| 20:50.56 | Kraps | wth is microsoft doing? |
| 20:51.04 | Kraps | nothing apparently |
| 20:51.13 | foxlit | binging their way to victory? |
| 20:51.16 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: you're not making Fisker steal you my sc2 |
| 20:51.47 | nicoli_s | i need sc2 so i can make awesome tools for the community |
| 20:52.18 | Gnarfoz | suuuure |
| 20:52.19 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 20:52.44 | Gnarfoz | first: something that displays your Blizzard Score prominently. :D |
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| 20:55.15 | Arrowmaster | blizzard score? |
| 20:58.14 | nicoli_s | i was wondering wtf that was too |
| 20:58.34 | nicoli_s | i wonder if blizz is gonna release model tools with the map editor |
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| 21:11.59 | Grum | Has anyone had problems with healers getting gibbed on tankswaps on Steelbreaker on Council hardmode? |
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| 21:14.25 | kneeki | Grum: Nope |
| 21:15.02 | durcyn | Grum: only happens when healers are standing too close during a fusion punch |
| 21:15.31 | Aelobin | does the AH have flood protection? :< |
| 21:15.39 | Aelobin | if you put loads of an item up will it only show a certain number |
| 21:18.29 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: fusion punch? healer location? am I missing something? ^^ |
| 21:18.30 | Grum | that makes no sense Durcyn from a technical pov |
| 21:19.16 | durcyn | are you talking about p3 itself, or movement before p3? |
| 21:19.21 | Gnarfoz | that's what I'm confused about ^^ |
| 21:19.33 | Grum | p3 itself |
| 21:19.37 | Grum | meh 8 wipe ;( |
| 21:35.16 | durcyn | you have people soaking static disruption, right grum? |
| 21:35.23 | Grum | aye |
| 21:35.30 | Grum | 5% this go |
| 21:37.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone know what the cost of the new BoA chestpiece is/will be? |
| 21:38.48 | ZorbaTHut | I'm really curious what they're going to do with BoA in the next expansion |
| 21:39.01 | NightHawkTheSane | in what respecT? |
| 21:39.24 | tekkub | it's like 40 badges and some gold |
| 21:39.25 | ZorbaTHut | are they going to introduce new BoA items? if so, how will they be different? will they just go to 90, or will they be better at lower levels also? if they *don't*, are they going to have some nasty emblem conversion from 4.0 badges to 3.0 badges? |
| 21:40.18 | ZorbaTHut | I had a similar question about what they'd do with gems, since if they just provided new better gems, it'd make all socketed outland items ridiculously good (which is indeed what happened) |
| 21:41.59 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:42.10 | Grum | who cares for outland stuff? |
| 21:42.13 | cog|away | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/NFPA_704.png |
| 21:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Michael Jackson rushed to LA hospital; cardiac arrest |
| 21:42.19 | Grum | really, if you can afford the highestlvl gems, good! |
| 21:42.34 | ZorbaTHut | grum, it makes leveling a little odd, since the second you get a socketed item it becomes better than Northrend gear up to 74 or so |
| 21:42.39 | ZorbaTHut | you don't need highest-level gems |
| 21:42.47 | ZorbaTHut | northrend green gems are better than outland epic gems |
| 21:43.02 | Grum | leveling is supposed to be easy for your second char |
| 21:43.05 | ZorbaTHut | and dirt-cheap, on top of it |
| 21:43.07 | Grum | this just works nice alongside of that |
| 21:43.14 | ZorbaTHut | no, this isn't about second character at all |
| 21:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503056.html?hpid=entnews |
| 21:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: im not actually seeing a problem there.. |
| 21:43.28 | ZorbaTHut | this is about cheap northrend gems being far better than the outland items were itemized for |
| 21:43.36 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, it's not really a problem, it's just a bit weird |
| 21:43.39 | Grum | what do you consider cheap? |
| 21:43.43 | Grum | the green quality ones? |
| 21:43.45 | ZorbaTHut | grum, 4 gold |
| 21:43.46 | foxlit | /who cares |
| 21:43.47 | ZorbaTHut | or less |
| 21:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: eh, weirdness is okay while leveling |
| 21:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | (my server's economy sucks, I hear they go for 1-2 gold on servers with good economy) |
| 21:44.38 | End | a lot of gems are going for less than 1g I think on my server |
| 21:44.43 | End | uncut |
| 21:44.50 | End | cut it's...3-6g I think |
| 21:44.53 | foxlit | But, again, who cares? :) |
| 21:44.57 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, yeah, it's still a bit weird though. that's why I'm curious what they're going to do with 4.0 BoAs |
| 21:45.00 | foxlit | So they throw the 60-70 gear out of whack. |
| 21:45.11 | foxlit | They already do that with heirlooms. |
| 21:45.14 | End | the funny part is that perfect gem cuts are usually around 5g too |
| 21:45.17 | cog|away | ScytheBlade1: tmz says he died |
| 21:45.21 | cog|away | http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-chat/ |
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| 21:45.37 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, heirlooms actually bring it back into roughly normal parameters |
| 21:45.49 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if my attic window is large enough for this 5460 CFM exaust fan |
| 21:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: *shrug* i think it only really be 'weird' once people are at 90, and they may just re-price the old BoA stuff with 'new' currency |
| 21:46.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that sentence was kinda awkward.. but meh. |
| 21:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: whoo, he's gone huh |
| 21:46.27 | ZorbaTHut | night, maybe, yeah. Still, the current BoA stuff also explicitly says that it only goes up to 80, which indicates that they're not planning on extending it to 90. Or they weren't. |
| 21:46.28 | End | apparently he was going to have a concert or something too? |
| 21:46.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: also possible |
| 21:46.43 | End | I dunno, I don't really care though |
| 21:46.45 | ZorbaTHut | Who knows what they'll do when 4.0 actually hits. |
| 21:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 21:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | so, to rephrase my original question, does anyone have a price for the new boa chest that's more exact than tekkub? :P |
| 21:47.48 | durcyn | i wouldn't expect the level 80 heirlooms to scale past 80. that's what level 90 heirlooms are for. |
| 21:48.00 | bleeter | what? |
| 21:48.03 | ZorbaTHut | durcyn, which goes right back to my previous question, namely, how are they going to deal with lv90 heirlooms |
| 21:48.08 | tekkub | mmo champ does I'm sure |
| 21:48.11 | tekkub | :P |
| 21:48.21 | ZorbaTHut | are they actually going to be better than the lv80 heirlooms at low levels, or will they just have more levels on the high end |
| 21:48.53 | bleeter | maybe the heirlooms are just a quick hack for wrath that haven't yet been fully developed, hence the tooltips are - in Blizz's habit - a bit dodgy |
| 21:49.18 | tekkub | lol I love the PTR.... sitting outside Exodar and this shaman just swims in beside me |
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| 21:49.33 | ZorbaTHut | I hope they finally rig it up so we can mail heirlooms between servers/factions |
| 21:49.55 | tekkub | they just need to add heirloom management to the web acct admin |
| 21:50.03 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: well ideally, heirloom stuff will play to the meta BNet account |
| 21:50.12 | KarlKFI | "n what appears to be an apparent suicide, musician Michael Jackson was pronounced dead as a result of cardiac arrest after consuming more than two-dozen sleeping pills." |
| 21:50.18 | tekkub | let you just move any BtA item between toons on any server/faction |
| 21:50.21 | bleeter | so an heirloom in one game, with some effort in another game, becomes something else in the other game kinda thing |
| 21:50.26 | KarlKFI | yay for random unsustantiated sources |
| 21:50.28 | ZorbaTHut | really, I'm not sure why they shouldn't just implement copying |
| 21:50.40 | ZorbaTHut | you buy an heirloom, you gain the ability to spawn it on any character on your account |
| 21:50.42 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: original DB design is a bit crappy ;) |
| 21:50.50 | bleeter | open to abuse, etc. |
| 21:51.10 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, how would you abuse that? :P |
| 21:51.15 | tekkub | hell do it like the minipets, you buy the heirloom on one toon, it flags your account for it... |
| 21:51.23 | tekkub | all toons get it in the mail, and new ones do too |
| 21:51.40 | tekkub | new toons get the dew bot |
| 21:51.56 | foxlit | And if you ever transfer characters between accounts, they lose that heirloom. |
| 21:52.07 | tekkub | yea! |
| 21:55.18 | Lunessa | Do the Dew Bot. |
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| 22:23.38 | Aelobin | argh, someone asked me to make some cloak for them and after finally getting the right mats, they equip it and say "oh it's not better than my current one" >_< |
| 22:23.50 | Aelobin | i even linked them my tailoring :/ |
| 22:23.58 | End | lol |
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| 22:28.53 | Lunessa | hate symantec so much right now. |
| 22:30.45 | Aelobin | Lunessa: norton antivirus? |
| 22:31.03 | Lunessa | Backup Exec / Desktop Laptop Option |
| 22:31.16 | Aelobin | ah, norton is the work of the devil |
| 22:32.12 | |Jelly| | gives Lunessa a e-bazooka to murder Symantec's face with. |
| 22:32.39 | Lunessa | fires e-bazooka |
| 22:33.36 | KarlKFI | LATimes report's MJ's dead |
| 22:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 22:33.50 | |Jelly| | meh |
| 22:33.55 | KarlKFI | LATimes.com spontaniously combusts too |
| 22:34.19 | cog|away | tmz wins |
| 22:34.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6752/wowscrnshot062509182306.jpg |
| 22:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ a friend just did that in game |
| 22:34.36 | KarlKFI | rofl |
| 22:34.41 | |Jelly| | roflamo |
| 22:34.47 | |Jelly| | tackles cog|away! |
| 22:34.52 | Kirov | CNN is reporting he was transfered to another hospital. |
| 22:35.15 | Kirov | And that he was revived before being transfered to the hospital. |
| 22:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Makes that screenshot sadly disappointing |
| 22:37.02 | KarlKFI | http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/25/michael.jackson/index.html |
| 22:37.15 | cog|away | "I wonder if he'll come back to re-do Thriller." |
| 22:37.26 | KarlKFI | they revived him at home |
| 22:37.31 | KarlKFI | then he went intoa coma |
| 22:37.38 | KarlKFI | and died at the hospital |
| 22:39.00 | KarlKFI | transferred to the UCLA Medical Center. was after being revived at home |
| 22:39.26 | KarlKFI | transfered being a bad word for going from home to hospital |
| 22:40.50 | Duman | saying he's confirmed dead |
| 22:41.04 | Aelobin | stop saying transferred, i keep thinking he had to pay £15 :P |
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| 22:41.28 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 22:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | >< i dont care if he's alive or dead, i just wish people would stop talking about it |
| 22:42.29 | Kirov | So, about that Latoya Jackson! |
| 22:42.39 | Aelobin | xD |
| 22:45.34 | Kirov | Well, I'll always remember the song he sang about me. (One of his #1 singles has my name, and no, it's not Billy Jean or Dirty Diana) |
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| 22:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://odoe.net/mine/funny/michael_ad.png |
| 22:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry NHTS |
| 22:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That ad placement is just too awesome not to mention |
| 22:48.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: *shrug* i'm just very anti-celebrity-news :P |
| 22:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Me too |
| 22:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | But that picture is too awesome not to mention |
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| 22:54.35 | Spellbinder | http://www.youtube.com/user/Bengt62#play/all/uploads-all/0/pciAeUeJKZM |
| 22:59.25 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I do kinda doubt it, wouldn't be surprised if it's fake... but then again I totally believe Google Adwords would be capable of doing that ;) |
| 22:59.34 | Kraps | So MJ died eh? i'm sad |
| 22:59.39 | Kraps | no wait |
| 23:01.27 | Cruciformer | "The leader of the free worl is a black man. The best golfer is a black man. The fasted racing driver is a black man. I bet Michael jackson is kicking himself now eh?" |
| 23:02.25 | Kraps | Cruciformer: BURN |
| 23:02.57 | Cruciformer | Kraps: I wish I could take credit for that :P |
| 23:03.26 | airtonix | shame about [insert name here] then |
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| 23:04.52 | Thunder_Child | am i a bad person to want to...ummm...incapacitate the crowd infront of the ucla hospital? |
| 23:05.15 | airtonix | any crowd will do |
| 23:05.17 | airtonix | kgo |
| 23:05.40 | airtonix | hands Thunder_Child a large rusty cleaver |
| 23:05.59 | Thunder_Child | not decapitate |
| 23:06.26 | kd3 | who said you had to use it to cut through their necks? |
| 23:06.30 | airtonix | cleaver + crowd = incapacitated |
| 23:06.46 | Thunder_Child | i meant more like knockout gass |
| 23:06.49 | Thunder_Child | -s |
| 23:07.07 | cog|away | Thunder_Child: elderly man in a cadillac imo |
| 23:07.19 | Thunder_Child | lol cog|away, that was santa monica |
| 23:07.26 | airtonix | hans molen |
| 23:07.32 | Lunessa | We love LA! |
| 23:07.33 | Adys | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1282129&cid=28470827 |
| 23:08.47 | KarlKFI | stupid. liek you've never logged in with peopel watching the screen |
| 23:09.20 | KarlKFI | does he not work in an office? |
| 23:09.31 | KarlKFI | or ever use a projector? |
| 23:09.49 | Kraps | can the engineer QQ stop now? |
| 23:10.03 | cog|away | Thunder_Child: i'm sure he could get that lost |
| 23:10.07 | Kraps | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/67326/ ffs |
| 23:10.48 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.56 | KarlKFI | for the new BG no doubt |
| 23:11.05 | Thunder_Child | cog|away, not before crashing however |
| 23:11.24 | Thunder_Child | bah, the info about this is general chat is massive failure |
| 23:12.27 | Lunessa | General Chat = The Fail Pail |
| 23:12.49 | Adys | anyone has a link to the enGB ptr patch? |
| 23:12.52 | Thunder_Child | "[04:12] [2] <80:Suigintou>: LFG Never-Neverland Ranch. PST" |
| 23:13.02 | Lunessa | Most of those mouth-breathers are only good for licking the glass or drinking from the firehose. |
| 23:13.52 | Kraps | Mimiron is nerfed |
| 23:14.02 | Cruciformer | Kraps: as of when? |
| 23:14.10 | kd3 | hotifxes today |
| 23:14.25 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17631614070&sid=1&pageNo=1#11 |
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| 23:17.09 | Cruciformer | that was weird. did I split or was I booted? |
| 23:17.30 | Thunder_Child | does using the ribbon pole keep you from going afk? |
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| 23:39.43 | p3lim | hm got this error on git |
| 23:39.58 | p3lim | Permission denied <publickey> |
| 23:40.01 | p3lim | why so? |
| 23:40.21 | p3lim | do I have to register my git client before I can clone? |
| 23:40.24 | Cruciformer | did you get as root adn now you are doing it as a normal user? |
| 23:40.53 | p3lim | im just trying to clone my own repo from github |
| 23:42.07 | p3lim | but it seems I need some authorization of some sort |
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| 23:42.18 | p3lim | ohh if all this was as easy as SVN |
| 23:42.29 | p3lim | i dont like kernels |
| 23:47.46 | drfuzzykins | if you have a repo on github |
| 23:47.55 | drfuzzykins | it should provide you a public clone uri, you don't need auth at all o.O |
| 23:48.10 | drfuzzykins | to push you'll need it |
| 23:51.07 | tekkub | p3lim: http://help.github.com/troubleshooting-ssh/ |
| 23:51.23 | tekkub | assuming msysgit/windows.. http://help.github.com/msysgit-key-setup/ |
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| 23:57.39 | ZorbaBeta | don't suppose anyone knows a UI mod that'll remind me to cast Vigilance if I haven't? I can't find anything that will scan the raid for a specific buff owned by me, and automatically notify me if it isn't up on anyone |
| 23:57.57 | Dewin1 | NeedToKnow or similiar *Might* be able to do it. |
| 23:58.27 | Cruciformer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.35 | ZorbaBeta | I'll check those out |
