| 00:00.16 | Legorol | I'm puzzled by the Unholy Blight change. Any DKs around who might know why this might be happening? |
| 00:00.21 | bleeter | hang on, if 3.2's coming on PTRs... I smell next Xpac announcement @ BlizzCon! ;) |
| 00:00.24 | Legorol | It seems like a tanking nerf |
| 00:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | the aoe effect was too powerful? |
| 00:00.36 | NeoTron | Legorol: UH has too heavy AoE DPS |
| 00:00.46 | NeoTron | it's a huge nerf to UH tanking which I wonder if they fully considered |
| 00:00.47 | Legorol | cry |
| 00:00.55 | Legorol | the aoe damage was not that big |
| 00:00.57 | NeoTron | UH might go from best to worst AoE tank spec |
| 00:00.58 | Legorol | idd NeoTron |
| 00:01.05 | Legorol | i was just thinking the same |
| 00:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i think it'll survive |
| 00:01.10 | NeoTron | surly surpassed by frost |
| 00:01.16 | Legorol | a 15-second DnD is not enough to consistently pick up waves of mobs |
| 00:01.28 | bleeter | then again pfft 3.2 or next xpac still sick of the ancient DB usage and crappy build systems and fubar bug reporting methods |
| 00:01.29 | Legorol | NeoTron: i was just thinking about the effect it will have on tanking Thorim's arena |
| 00:01.34 | Legorol | I heavily rely on UB there |
| 00:01.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't be surprised if there's some deep-unholy buffs for aoe threat, though |
| 00:01.52 | NeoTron | consider that UH tanking already has very inferior single target spec and you can see UH tanking becomeing less common or more of a niche (magic damage mitgation to some degree) |
| 00:01.58 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: there isn't, at least not in these notes |
| 00:02.01 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: there aren't |
| 00:02.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant coming |
| 00:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | after the ptrs are up |
| 00:02.19 | Legorol | NeoTron: are you tanking as UH often? Care to share experiences? |
| 00:02.29 | NeoTron | I have always tanked as UH |
| 00:02.33 | Legorol | NeoTron: in particular, have you ever tried tanking Thorim's arena on 25? |
| 00:02.37 | NeoTron | I don't primarily tank since some time back |
| 00:02.41 | NeoTron | yes |
| 00:02.44 | Legorol | oooh much <3 to you, UH is my favourite tank spec too |
| 00:02.48 | NeoTron | UH IS superior there now |
| 00:02.50 | Legorol | what's your rotation for the arena? |
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| 00:02.58 | NeoTron | paced |
| 00:03.03 | Legorol | i have experimented with a few things, but i sometimes have trouble reliably picking up every mob |
| 00:03.07 | Legorol | right |
| 00:03.10 | NeoTron | basically I try to have a target with two diseases on that I can spread when mobs come |
| 00:03.16 | Legorol | i found that too, i shouldn't blow all my runes, like a typical rotation |
| 00:03.20 | NeoTron | save blood runes and D&D for the big packs of non0-elites |
| 00:03.35 | Legorol | what do you use your blood runes on? |
| 00:03.39 | Legorol | atm my blood rune use is: |
| 00:03.50 | Kraps | i think this is a measured and well thought-out response ya? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17899690758&postId=178982805579&sid=1#76 |
| 00:03.50 | Legorol | dnd - pest - pest - repeat, at as close to 5 second intervals as possible |
| 00:03.51 | VonhintenHOME` | every tank has trouble picking up every mob... that's why having a rogue with tricks in the arena = good |
| 00:03.54 | Legorol | do you use BB? |
| 00:04.00 | NeoTron | I think almost exclusively pestilence since I found that most use for blood voil caused them to be on cooldown when I next needed them |
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| 00:04.22 | Legorol | NeoTron: idd, i found BB to be inferior to pest in the arena |
| 00:04.31 | NeoTron | that's what I said |
| 00:04.39 | NeoTron | I mean BB causes threat, Pest does not |
| 00:04.47 | Legorol | you mentioned you try to have a mob with 2 diseases, what do you do when you just happen to lose one? |
| 00:04.48 | NeoTron | but I need to pestm ore than once every 10s so I can't use bb |
| 00:05.05 | NeoTron | pick a new one. rely on D&D + UB for threat on aoe packs |
| 00:05.16 | Legorol | what i mean is: our dps often nukes down the mobs fast, so i don't have a mob up with 2 diseases |
| 00:05.28 | NeoTron | although the best thing we did for 25-man arena was to have our dps druid be a third tank (bear in dps gear) |
| 00:05.36 | Legorol | so i have been experimenting with a "fast-pest" rotation, doing IT-pest, wait, PS-pest, wait, DnD, wait, repeat |
| 00:05.43 | Legorol | using SS on the remaining UB runes whenever |
| 00:05.52 | NeoTron | I rarely have NO mobs with no diseases |
| 00:05.57 | NeoTron | due to pest |
| 00:06.13 | Legorol | hmm |
| 00:06.18 | Legorol | i think maybe our dps is too fast |
| 00:06.32 | Legorol | they sometimes manage to kill all my targets before a new wave |
| 00:06.38 | NeoTron | are you doing hard mode? |
| 00:06.39 | Legorol | then a couple of new waves appear in quick succesion |
| 00:06.43 | Legorol | nope, not hard mode |
| 00:06.51 | NeoTron | ok then you probably use more dps in the arena than we do |
| 00:06.56 | NeoTron | s/do/did/ |
| 00:07.26 | Legorol | very probably |
| 00:07.26 | Legorol | we only take 3-4 dps in the tunnel |
| 00:07.37 | NeoTron | that's definitely the difference |
| 00:07.45 | Legorol | my biggest oh-shit moments in the arena are when i don't have a mob with 2 diseases up, dnd is on cooldown, and a bunch of new waves suddenly come |
| 00:07.55 | NeoTron | blood boil :P |
| 00:08.03 | Legorol | that just wastes a blood rune |
| 00:08.07 | Legorol | it's a short term gain for a long term loss |
| 00:08.14 | Legorol | i tried that, but the mobs don't stick on me long enough |
| 00:08.21 | Legorol | and then i have to wait for a blood to come up |
| 00:08.27 | NeoTron | dps druid in bear form in dps gear |
| 00:08.36 | NeoTron | 3 tanking it makes it hugely easier |
| 00:08.36 | Legorol | don't have one |
| 00:08.46 | NeoTron | bummer |
| 00:09.06 | Legorol | but i'll consider your idea |
| 00:09.09 | Legorol | we have plenty of DKs |
| 00:09.10 | NeoTron | one hot advice is to tell people to slow down |
| 00:09.16 | Legorol | could just stick one in frost presence |
| 00:09.23 | NeoTron | if you got enough dps to clear between packs, just slow down a bit |
| 00:09.31 | Legorol | yah i always scream for two things: |
| 00:09.37 | NeoTron | main issue with that is that the DK would be crittable why a cat would not be |
| 00:09.42 | Legorol | 1) don't jump the mobs immediately (stupid dps attacks them all over the place even before they are at the center) |
| 00:09.50 | Legorol | 2) don't nuke them hard (let me get some threat) |
| 00:09.53 | Legorol | but they never listen :P |
| 00:09.56 | Legorol | and the worst are the rogues |
| 00:10.04 | Legorol | they see an evoker, they go for him and stun him miles off the center |
| 00:10.08 | NeoTron | but if you're having issues |
| 00:10.12 | NeoTron | use another tnak in tank gear |
| 00:10.20 | NeoTron | it's not a huge dps race in normal mode so you can afford it |
| 00:10.27 | NeoTron | even if it's a dk in dps spec + tank gear |
| 00:10.37 | Legorol | so do it with 4 tanks? |
| 00:10.42 | Legorol | 1 in tunnel, 3 in arena? |
| 00:10.51 | Legorol | we are struggling on P2 though |
| 00:10.51 | NeoTron | right |
| 00:10.55 | Legorol | so i'm worried about the dps loss there |
| 00:11.09 | NeoTron | know why? |
| 00:11.13 | Legorol | anyway, i was just curious about your rotation :) it's good to know that i'm doing the sensible thing |
| 00:11.16 | NeoTron | people dying in phase 1? |
| 00:11.25 | Legorol | that too |
| 00:11.27 | NeoTron | yeah it's all about timing |
| 00:11.33 | Legorol | and people dying in P2 due to being stupid |
| 00:11.39 | NeoTron | it's probably bout the hardest kind of fight to tank as a DK |
| 00:11.50 | Legorol | as UH i would've thought i have an advantage |
| 00:11.54 | Legorol | but it's a lot harder than you'd think |
| 00:11.57 | NeoTron | you should |
| 00:12.02 | NeoTron | compared to frost and blood |
| 00:12.03 | Legorol | and i keep telling this to my guild and they don't believe me :o) |
| 00:12.08 | Legorol | they're like "DK UH imba aoe tank, go pew pew" |
| 00:12.20 | Legorol | and i keep telling the dps to give me a break |
| 00:12.24 | NeoTron | good aoe ank but not instant snap aggro for while dpsers :P |
| 00:12.33 | Legorol | yah and what makes it worse: |
| 00:12.42 | Legorol | our dps assignment puts at least 2-3 single targeters on every mob |
| 00:12.53 | Legorol | whilst i might be able to hold aggro against one or two of those dps packs, not on every mob |
| 00:12.54 | NeoTron | in our hard mode tries I had a lot of problems tanking it |
| 00:13.17 | Legorol | well we are noobs, normal mode is hard enough for us ;) |
| 00:13.25 | NeoTron | it's similar |
| 00:13.26 | Legorol | but at least i'm reassured now that i was doing the right thing |
| 00:13.31 | NeoTron | only difference is how fast stuff dies |
| 00:13.44 | Legorol | i just hate it when suddenly an aoe pack comes and i have two blood on cooldown with no mobs with diseases |
| 00:13.55 | Legorol | that's DK-tank nightmare ^^ |
| 00:14.31 | Legorol | but you gave me one good tip which i'll keep in mind |
| 00:14.46 | Legorol | i'll try to switch between mobs more and more actively look for a mob with two diseases |
| 00:15.04 | Legorol | atm i have the following problem (which is why i haven't been doing that so much): |
| 00:15.29 | Legorol | when a new wave of say a couple of mobs (say warbringer+evoker) comes, i need to generate snap aggro on them |
| 00:15.33 | Legorol | since dps jumps them straight away |
| 00:15.46 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13286#comments:id=661932 |
| 00:15.47 | Legorol | so often atm i'd target the new mob and IT-PS-pest from there |
| 00:15.50 | Adys | amazed or saddened? |
| 00:15.52 | Adys | dunno. |
| 00:16.07 | Legorol | i'll try pest-ing from an existing mob instead |
| 00:16.56 | NeoTron | I tend to rely on the other tank(s) to pick up big guys fast |
| 00:17.07 | NeoTron | because I cna't really afford to create snap aggro |
| 00:18.35 | Legorol | our setup is usually one aoe tank and one single-target tank |
| 00:18.42 | Legorol | the single-target obviously takes the champions |
| 00:18.49 | Legorol | and i'm supposed to aoe tank the rest |
| 00:19.17 | Legorol | Adys: it seems to be missing a whole line of quests |
| 00:19.26 | Legorol | the ones involving Icecrown Citadel, Arthas' heart etc. |
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| 00:29.53 | Kraps | "I play WoW with other people, not against them." |
| 00:29.59 | Kraps | later |
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| 00:43.16 | VonhintenHOME` | I love this shit, http://elitistjerks.com/f34/t63585-infraction_vonhinten_banhammer/ |
| 00:43.45 | VonhintenHOME` | permanent ban for that... these guys are like 10 year olds |
| 00:44.40 | Shirik | Have I mentioned how pointless of a site EJ is? |
| 00:44.52 | VonhintenHOME` | I dunno, have you? |
| 00:45.03 | VonhintenHOME` | but I agree |
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| 00:45.27 | Dagmar | It's their site, their rules. |
| 00:45.49 | Dagmar | At the moment, fear of the banhammer is probably the ONLY thing keeping them from degrading into the WoW General forums |
| 00:45.51 | VonhintenHOME` | When you've got a Rogue Simple Questions/Simple Answers thread with 3200 posts in it... seriously, who has time to wade through 3200 posts? |
| 00:46.02 | NeoTron | VonhintenHOME`: of course it's also the primary reason why EJ isn't the wow forums and thus has some value |
| 00:46.20 | NeoTron | Dagmar: not the FEAR of the banhammer but clearly the banhammer itself |
| 00:47.30 | Dagmar | There's a lot less idiot troll postings on EJ. |
| 00:47.50 | Dagmar | ...where on the official forums, they get kid gloves. |
| 00:48.02 | Dagmar | Same guys troll again and again and again |
| 00:48.03 | VonhintenHOME` | The entry page for every discussion should be a wiki community page and it should be kept up to date |
| 00:48.14 | Dagmar | So find some wiki space and start editing |
| 00:50.35 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/funny-pictures-cats-eat-a-watermelon.jpg |
| 00:51.27 | Shirik | Can someone please explain to me why Lisp is a useful language? |
| 00:51.32 | Shirik | or Scheme |
| 00:51.37 | bleeter | EJ seems to have some good info, I just can't be bothered wading through the piles of shit to sort it out |
| 00:51.49 | Dagmar | Because ( and ) aren't used enough on modern keyboards |
| 00:52.01 | Dagmar | THe chinese college students who make those keys are going hungry! |
| 00:52.30 | bleeter | isn't scheme just a lisp dialect? |
| 00:52.38 | Shirik | something like that |
| 00:53.25 | bleeter | yeah, that's one of those questions where one manages to demonstrate some form of lack of understanding from the outset :P |
| 00:53.50 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:53.55 | Shirik | that's not really the point |
| 00:54.07 | Shirik | my point is it's so disconnected from other languages out there |
| 00:54.56 | Shirik | hold up, emacs is in lisp? |
| 00:55.30 | bleeter | autocad's scripting's largely lisp-ish too |
| 00:56.46 | End | I know all the tacked on crap is lisp |
| 00:59.25 | bleeter | Shirik: I think largely it comes down to... (a) just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad (b) there are more phd's in inventing new languages than tidying up old ones, thus it's usefulness is generally obscured to those who've not been exposed greatly |
| 01:00.06 | Shirik | I've seen tons of usefulness for recursive math, etc. |
| 01:00.14 | Shirik | But I've not seen a single example of a real-world application in lisp |
| 01:00.24 | bleeter | I recall when I was tooling around with genetic algos it gave me great pains to think of coding what I'd done in C |
| 01:00.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, get the name of that site yet? |
| 01:01.07 | Shirik | I didn't see him today, sorry :( |
| 01:01.19 | Shirik | we're really at crunch time so we don't have much off-time |
| 01:01.20 | Thunder_Child | /sob |
| 01:01.25 | Shirik | the only reason I'm home is because I can't take overtime, really |
| 01:01.33 | Shirik | otherwise I'd be there with the rest of them running around frantically |
| 01:01.45 | bleeter | Shirik: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=770237 |
| 01:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | somehow I don't think you are complaining |
| 01:02.04 | Shirik | sure, but that's not an application bleeter |
| 01:02.17 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I love my job and would be perfectly willing to both stay there and to make more money |
| 01:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:03.05 | Shirik | ok emacs is in c |
| 01:03.07 | bleeter | Shirik: ok, then try this one. Scripting languages are (generally) bad for programming applications, but great for driving applications |
| 01:03.10 | Shirik | it just has a lisp interpreter |
| 01:04.15 | bleeter | Shirik: or, alternatively.. this stuff you DO see around you done in Lisp, what would YOU have chosen as the scripting language instead, and why? |
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| 01:06.07 | myrkraverk | when handling UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT, can I know what I'm mousing over? |
| 01:06.27 | Shirik | um |
| 01:06.33 | myrkraverk | such as, whether I'm mousing over a unit, or the picture in tho upper left corner? |
| 01:06.34 | Shirik | you can use the "mouseover" unit and find out...? |
| 01:06.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:06.44 | Shirik | you could use GetMouseFocus() |
| 01:06.53 | Shirik | but that won't tell you if you're over a player |
| 01:07.00 | Shirik | but it will say something like WorldFrame I think |
| 01:07.06 | Shirik | which you can deduce to being the unit |
| 01:07.29 | myrkraverk | ok, I'm just trying to fix a bug here, and that may help |
| 01:10.40 | Shirik | mikma |
| 01:10.42 | Shirik | cut that shit out |
| 01:11.02 | Shirik | (18:10:15)  -⺠[CTCP to mikma]: VERSION |
| 01:11.02 | Shirik | (18:10:16)  -⺠[CTCP VERSION reply from mikma]: nIRC 69.1337 |
| 01:11.07 | Shirik | How am I supposed to play around now :( |
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| 01:46.45 | VonhintenHOME` | Any clue what the alchemy transmute mats are going to be for epic gems? |
| 01:47.25 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.30 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 01:47.33 | Dagmar | About 100 per might get them used up |
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| 01:54.46 | Coren{de} | anyone ever played around with "uniqueID" in itemlinks? the wowwiki describes that the id can change if the item is not yet in someone's inventory, but can it change in an inventory between logins? |
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| 01:57.16 | bleeter | Shirik: an autocad using mate of mine just told me that the scripting engine's a standalone executable/app in it's own right... so yeah there's your lisp app for you :P |
| 01:57.36 | Shirik | in the same way the lua interpreter is a lua application? |
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| 02:11.43 | Aqua | anyone know any easy way to adjust all frames so that they don't overlap with your add on? |
| 02:12.47 | Kraps | damn i was just gonna get mr damage |
| 02:19.14 | Coren{de} | Aqua, there's toplevel=true, if you want to be above "everything" else; otherwise "adjust" is too unspecific (and not every frame would agree with being moved/resized by another frame...) |
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| 02:22.44 | mikma | shirik: xD |
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| 02:43.56 | Lothaer | suo guys |
| 02:48.05 | ckknight | suo indeed |
| 02:50.33 | Lothaer | lol |
| 02:50.39 | Lothaer | what you been up 2 ckk? |
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| 02:53.27 | widgertick | Iriel! |
| 02:53.29 | widgertick | points |
| 02:53.46 | Iriel | runs and hides |
| 02:54.44 | widgertick | is thwarted :X |
| 02:55.54 | Iriel | I couldn't tell if that was a greeting or an ambush so i figured i'd play it safe |
| 02:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Want it to be an ambush? |
| 02:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I could pester you |
| 02:56.20 | End | I think it was both |
| 02:56.25 | End | an ambush and a greeting |
| 02:56.42 | Iriel | A greetbush? |
| 02:57.05 | End | is that what they call it? |
| 02:57.06 | End | :P |
| 03:08.44 | Dagmar | It was, an attack shrubbery! |
| 03:11.41 | bleeter | get... |
| 03:11.45 | bleeter | THE COMFY CHAIR! |
| 03:17.51 | kd3 | hm, mage q&a |
| 03:18.01 | kd3 | surprised this one's done |
| 03:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | They covered blink |
| 03:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahhahaha |
| 03:30.27 | kd3 | yeah |
| 03:30.28 | kd3 | indeed |
| 03:30.40 | kd3 | it would be nice if they ever fixed the WSG tunnels |
| 03:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'd rather they change the terrain than keep trying to fix the spell |
| 03:31.44 | kd3 | as an aside... fark: Officials identify man who jumped into an 800-foot-deep canyon in Yellowstone Park; say he's the reddish smear at the base of the cliff [Dumbass] |
| 03:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 03:35.59 | bleeter | I'd rather they fix whatever crappy build system they have where bugs from two or even twelve point releases ago mysteriously reappear n stuff |
| 03:36.04 | Aznamir | hi all |
| 03:36.16 | kd3 | if only... |
| 03:36.17 | bleeter | can barely stand to see the login page these days for ugh bugs |
| 03:36.56 | bleeter | kd3: I still say throw it all away n start again |
| 03:37.40 | kd3 | rofl |
| 03:37.47 | bleeter | are the comms still optimised for dialup? |
| 03:38.14 | Shirik | YES! |
| 03:38.16 | Shirik | Yogg down |
| 03:38.17 | Shirik | yay |
| 03:38.20 | bleeter | Shirik: congrats |
| 03:38.36 | Shirik | and we still have an hour and a half of raid time left :/ |
| 03:39.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, alagon? |
| 03:39.40 | Thunder_Child | algalon* |
| 03:39.51 | kd3 | if that was their first yogg kill, probably not |
| 03:40.06 | Coren{de} | bleeter, no amount of build system intelligence or restarting will compensate for the fact that programming still lacks the same tool since over 30 years... something that allows to define meta-code that has to verify on non-trivial actual code |
| 03:40.11 | Thunder_Child | wasnt it changed to 1 hour each raid day or some such? |
| 03:40.33 | kd3 | no, no, no... they probably don't have all of the hard mode kills necessary to even get to him |
| 03:40.38 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: lol |
| 03:40.50 | Shirik | and no kd3 we've been doing a lot of hard modes |
| 03:40.55 | Shirik | but I don't think we're quite there yet |
| 03:41.00 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 03:41.14 | Thunder_Child | we havent got yogg down yet but we do hard mode on most of the others |
| 03:41.23 | Thunder_Child | s/most/many/ |
| 03:41.55 | Bruners | wtb a guild that wants to try hardmodes :S |
| 03:42.50 | Coren{de} | wtb a guild of pure carebears... :> |
| 03:43.28 | Shirik | doesn't matter |
| 03:43.29 | Shirik | SERVER FIRST WHOO |
| 03:43.32 | Shirik | that's all I care about |
| 03:43.45 | Gnarfoz | server first? |
| 03:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 slow server? |
| 03:43.50 | Gnarfoz | 10 weeks after release? |
| 03:43.50 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 03:43.51 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 03:44.00 | Shirik | yeah we're kinda a backwater server / |
| 03:44.00 | Shirik | :/ |
| 03:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, grats, yeah, but wtf? :P |
| 03:44.22 | Shirik | in all honesty we should have had him a month and a half ago |
| 03:44.28 | Shirik | I'm not sure what is wrong with people |
| 03:44.50 | Coren{de} | mmh... they play for fun instead of serious? :p |
| 03:45.45 | Shirik | no |
| 03:45.47 | Shirik | they play stupid |
| 03:45.53 | Shirik | I get the whole casual thing, that's fine |
| 03:45.58 | Shirik | but you could still pay a little attention |
| 03:47.14 | Shirik | the real question: what do we do |
| 03:47.14 | Shirik | oh apparently we left council up |
| 03:47.14 | Shirik | yay for hard mode councl |
| 03:47.18 | bleeter | Coren{de}: how is lack of a build system tool an excuse for having a bug reappear, then vanish, then reappear, then vanish for two more builds, then reappear again? it's either a bug that's fixed, or there's something horribly wrong with internal procedures |
| 03:47.19 | Coren{de} | casual attention? :> really, I get itchy if a raid hasn't wiped for over an hour... |
| 03:47.39 | Shirik | bleeter :) |
| 03:47.48 | Shirik | it's proof that you don't have a good test system |
| 03:47.52 | Shirik | not a build system |
| 03:47.59 | Coren{de} | bleeter, you assume that a bug has a single point of cause - that's not true for the most bugs |
| 03:48.11 | bleeter | kd3: please let me know if you see any of that crap going on @ the SC2 demos at Blizzcon ;) |
| 03:48.42 | bleeter | Shirik: I tend to think of the entire chain as the build system, source code all the way through to signing the deliverable |
| 03:48.49 | Coren{de} | it's very easy to fix 10 of 10 causes for a bug, then adding a new feature that increases the cause count to 11 and forgetting to re-add the fix for the 11th cause |
| 03:49.00 | Shirik | even if you don't have an automated build system, you still should have some kind of test procedure |
| 03:49.24 | bleeter | Coren{de}: in that case, I'd question the original design as being crap |
| 03:49.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:49.54 | Coren{de} | tests are overrated :> either they are comprehensive, then you are 90% of the time writing tests, or they don't cover enough and are just a waste of time :| |
| 03:50.20 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 03:50.37 | Coren{de} | bleeter, most original designs are crap after a while if it's a living product :) |
| 03:50.59 | bleeter | Coren{de}: indeed, hence my call to throw it all away and start again ;) |
| 03:51.01 | Dagmar | If you're spending 90% of your time writing tests, it just shows you don't know what you're doing. |
| 03:51.14 | Shirik | tests are definitely not overrated |
| 03:51.23 | Shirik | I have proven that to myself day after day at my job |
| 03:52.31 | bleeter | needless to say, as excited as I am about the *thought* of SC2, I won't be rushing out to buy it until I start hearing of the bug reports and fix rate |
| 03:52.38 | Coren{de} | Dagmar, I think you overread the "comprehensive" part, i.e. at every possible place testing every possible condition, including say harddisk failure, memory bits toggled, gfx board overheated :p |
| 03:52.44 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: but you know, Dagmar said it, so it is the truth! :) |
| 03:53.12 | Dagmar | Yes, that would show you don't know WTF you're doing. |
| 03:53.37 | Dagmar | You dont' just write tests until you've run out of possible things you can think of. |
| 03:53.47 | Dagmar | You write tests based on the list of deliverables in the project. |
| 03:54.02 | Dagmar | i.e., "if it matters, it gets tested" |
| 03:54.03 | bleeter | Dagmar: you've clearly never worked within a regulatory environment such as .au =)) |
| 03:54.20 | bleeter | the regulators get income for the more tests that they can convince the supplier, customer and government, are needed |
| 03:54.22 | Dagmar | bleeter: No, I've just had to deal with HIPAA. |
| 03:54.31 | bleeter | so they just spend all day writing nifty cute tests |
| 03:54.36 | Dagmar | Well good for them |
| 03:54.42 | bleeter | Dagmar: HIPAA? |
| 03:54.45 | Dagmar | At least they're keeping busy and out of trouble. |
| 03:55.18 | Dagmar | bleeter: HIPAA is the guidelines that say why the hospital can't sell Madonna's pap smear to the Enquirer, basically. |
| 03:56.07 | bleeter | ah, hmm.. wonder how close such regulations map what's meant to happen on a split blackjack hand when people fall off the table and don't come back, etc. |
| 03:56.26 | bleeter | there's bound to be some similarities |
| 03:56.28 | Dagmar | You have an exciting industry there. :) |
| 03:56.51 | Dagmar | Mainly it's just frequency of audits, control of information, labeling assets, reviewing assigned labels, data storage, etc etc |
| 03:57.11 | bleeter | Dagmar: It's just a multi-state game as much as WoW. Thing is, real $$ are involved, so people are a bit more careful with tests and bugs coming back from the past, etc. |
| 03:57.29 | Shirik | bleeter: How about the FAA |
| 03:57.43 | Shirik | they are a bitch |
| 03:57.46 | Shirik | especially with my company |
| 03:57.52 | bleeter | Shirik: federation of australian astrologers? |
| 03:57.54 | Shirik | I'm convinced they hate unmanned systems |
| 03:57.55 | kd3 | heisenbugs in my plane's flight software are great |
| 03:57.55 | bleeter | yeah I can imagine |
| 03:58.00 | Shirik | federal aviation administration |
| 03:58.10 | Dagmar | Cuz hospital patients tend to not fall otu of the sky and into a school full of orphans. |
| 03:58.19 | Thunder_Child | yes they do |
| 03:58.23 | Thunder_Child | how do you think they got there |
| 03:58.26 | Dagmar | ...or fall into a school while filled with oprhans. |
| 03:58.43 | Dagmar | ...or fly through a cloud of migratory orphans. |
| 03:58.44 | Dagmar | :) |
| 03:58.44 | bleeter | Shirik: yeah, prolly largely similar to FAA, health, nuclear industries |
| 03:59.02 | Shirik | we have a very strict process |
| 03:59.14 | Shirik | and I have an even more strict one since I'm working on code generation tools |
| 03:59.16 | bleeter | day to day computer programmers tend to be super lazy 'aww she'll be right, we'll release this today and issue a patch next week' bullshit |
| 03:59.29 | Shirik | so not only does my code have to be right, but the code it makes has to be right |
| 03:59.43 | Shirik | and people are REALLY scared about me auto-generating unit tests |
| 03:59.50 | Shirik | I don't even know how to resolve that one |
| 04:00.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Rightfully so, I'd say |
| 04:00.09 | Shirik | I agree |
| 04:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Autogenerated code testing autogenerated code |
| 04:00.12 | Shirik | but I don't know the solution |
| 04:00.12 | Dagmar | bleeter: Thats where unit testing and the black/white box testers come into play, working around the clock to free up otherwise wasted jobs. |
| 04:00.15 | bleeter | Shirik: in all honesty, they should be scared... and hopefully you'll be smart enough to allay said fears in a thoroughly professional and right manner :) |
| 04:00.31 | Shirik | at some point you have to trust the code |
| 04:00.39 | Shirik | you can make an infinitely long set of tests |
| 04:00.44 | Shirik | there will eventually be an end |
| 04:00.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, are you talking about code for self testing? |
| 04:01.18 | Shirik | unit tests - code that tests that a small segment of code (e.g., a single component) is working correctly |
| 04:01.26 | Shirik | that code is auto-generated |
| 04:01.38 | Coren{de} | and when you actually add infinitely many tests, some will be not crying wolf despite being bitten... :D |
| 04:01.39 | Shirik | so I want to auto-generate the tests too (tests are required per process) |
| 04:01.51 | bleeter | Shirik: fer sure, but let's just say... the FAA finds a bug in your code.. you fix it.. then they test some newer code a month down the track and your bug's back... I don't work in the industry but I suspect if the FAA encountered that kinda thing they wouldn't like you much anymore ;) |
| 04:02.08 | bleeter | *repeatedly encountered |
| 04:02.21 | Shirik | well I mean unit testing is not the only testing we do :) |
| 04:02.25 | Shirik | we can't auto-generate HIL tests, for example |
| 04:03.13 | bleeter | which was a long way of saying 'As much fun as I've had with their games, I'd never get in a plane produced by Blizz' |
| 04:03.20 | Shirik | but yeah, I'm going through a lot of hoops just to make sure the code is right |
| 04:03.21 | bleeter | which was largely what I said on that mail list the other day |
| 04:03.53 | bleeter | Shirik: i feel for you man, the 2 years I spent with gaming regulators in .au and .eu was probably the most eye opening of my entire career |
| 04:04.26 | Coren{de} | as far as I remember, plane software for the airbus was three independent teams of developers on three hardware suppliers and the final machine was deciding on a 2:1 majority... |
| 04:04.52 | Shirik | triple redundancy |
| 04:04.56 | bleeter | Coren{de}: from memory that's basically right |
| 04:05.01 | Shirik | not necessary for unmanned systems |
| 04:05.07 | bleeter | 'cept there's been a couple of incidents recently with total split brain, or something like that |
| 04:05.07 | Shirik | not of our scale, at least |
| 04:05.18 | Shirik | you're right though, and it's called triple redundancy |
| 04:05.45 | bleeter | triple can still have a brain fart of 'yes/no/wtf', it's not totally foolproof |
| 04:06.05 | Dagmar | Well, the problem only gets harier |
| 04:06.08 | Coren{de} | weird name, because actually only two systems need to be faulty for a wrong decision, so I'd call it double redundancy... |
| 04:06.21 | Dagmar | NASA uses what, six clones of a system for some thing? |
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| 04:06.48 | Shirik | Coren{de}: The name comes from the fact that there's 3 items making a vote |
| 04:06.58 | Coren{de} | ah, I see |
| 04:07.24 | bleeter | Dagmar: space flight tends to go with 'as many systems as we can damn well jam on to it' kinda tech hehe |
| 04:07.26 | Shirik | there's a ot of other restrictions in the aviation industry |
| 04:07.40 | Shirik | 3 languages to use: C, C++, Ada. None of them are allowed to do dynamic allocation |
| 04:07.54 | bleeter | Dagmar: doesn't stop confusion over systems of measurement though haha |
| 04:07.55 | Shirik | when you take away that, you learn some really strange things about the language |
| 04:08.19 | bleeter | Shirik: haha yeah removing dynamism if fun! :D |
| 04:08.32 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 04:08.38 | Shirik | with all the process we have in place |
| 04:08.48 | Shirik | I think the only time I've seen us lose a plane is due to mechanical failures |
| 04:08.55 | Shirik | like a wing ripping off |
| 04:09.07 | bleeter | it's prolly BECAUSE you have those process in place |
| 04:09.11 | bleeter | not in spite of them |
| 04:09.12 | Coren{de} | don't you then end up doing similar things like a memory manager with the statically allocated space? /ponder |
| 04:09.40 | Shirik | nope |
| 04:10.54 | Shirik | basically, anything is either stack or global/static |
| 04:11.03 | Shirik | bss I think? |
| 04:11.24 | Shirik | yeah .bss |
| 04:12.15 | Shirik | point is |
| 04:12.21 | Shirik | you should never get to a situation that you can be out of memory |
| 04:12.29 | Shirik | it should be an impossibility |
| 04:13.09 | Coren{de} | hm. I'm thinking about camera systems and vastly different data depending on what's in view... and if that is hard to allocate statically ;) |
| 04:13.46 | Shirik | well we code quite differently than you would expect |
| 04:13.55 | Shirik | for example: the entire system is a state machine |
| 04:13.58 | Shirik | well, several state machines |
| 04:14.27 | Shirik | there is no freely written code |
| 04:15.10 | Coren{de} | yay for state transition diagrams for multiple parallel changes :D do you use 5-dimensional white-boards? ;) |
| 04:15.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:15.27 | Shirik | no, but we use a very complex program to draw them :) |
| 04:29.53 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* it would be nice if panance didnt rotate your camera |
| 04:30.01 | Shirik | no |
| 04:30.02 | Shirik | it's good |
| 04:30.12 | Shirik | helps me figure out where people are |
| 04:30.46 | Thunder_Child | i dont care where they are, in range is enough |
| 04:32.37 | Shirik | in pvp it's important :) |
| 04:33.38 | Thunder_Child | only in a bg, and that shouldnt alter the rest of the game |
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| 04:36.49 | NightHawkTheSane | technically, pennance rotates you, your camera is just set to follow :p |
| 04:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | penance* |
| 04:37.14 | Thunder_Child | fine, i dont want it to rotate me |
| 04:38.03 | Gnarfoz | since you can't cast (it) backwards... you're lucky it does |
| 04:38.03 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 04:42.51 | Dagmar | You forgot to say "In Soviet Russia..." |
| 04:54.31 | NightHawkTheSane | in soviet russia.. bad jokes make you. |
| 04:55.38 | Thunder_Child | i need a mic that filters out all constant noise |
| 04:55.57 | Torhal | Stop talking? :D |
| 04:56.01 | durcyn | hold your right mouse button, TC |
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| 05:01.41 | bleeter | kd3: got my WoW+Wine+F11+nVidia happening... whether it was the OS reinstall, game reinstall, phase of moon, temperature of beer, idk but all's good now :) |
| 05:02.05 | bleeter | kd3: *as long as I avoid D3D |
| 05:06.58 | kd3 | heh |
| 05:07.12 | kd3 | beer temp... I must remember to keep that in mind the next time I need to do computer voodoo |
| 05:08.03 | kd3 | but for now, time to catch up on sleep. 3 hours of sleep a night for the past few nights has caught up with me |
| 05:08.04 | kd3 | sighs |
| 05:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | So for the past two days I've been trying, on and off, to write a java servlet that mirrors everything it gets to a TCP stream |
| 05:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd read the data in, push it out to the stream, and every time - EVERY time - it would hang |
| 05:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Wouldn't throw an exception |
| 05:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Wouldn't peg the CPU or anything |
| 05:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd just hang for no apparent reason |
| 05:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I never sent anything over the stream to indicate that it was done sending |
| 05:14.41 | ScytheBlade1 | So the client continually sat there waiting for more data, blocking on the read() |
| 05:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Took me TWO DAYS TO FIGURE THIS OUT |
| 05:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.03 | Torhal | How many kitten sacrifices did it take? |
| 05:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Not enough, cats suck |
| 05:17.35 | Thunder_Child | so do mouths |
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| 05:21.07 | Thunder_Child | lol Arrowmaster, i'm surprised cair let you do that |
| 05:23.17 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:23.29 | Arrowmaster | the cloak? |
| 05:23.59 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 05:24.13 | Arrowmaster | havent i had that for like a year now |
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| 05:26.42 | Thunder_Child | no? |
| 05:27.58 | Shirik | yes :P |
| 05:28.35 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:28.40 | Shirik | no |
| 05:28.52 | Fisker | ok |
| 05:28.58 | Fisker | fuck you shirik i hope you go to hell and die |
| 05:28.59 | Fisker | :3 |
| 05:29.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:29.08 | Shirik | most people die and then go to hell |
| 05:29.11 | Shirik | not the other way around |
| 05:29.16 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:29.25 | Fisker | You're a special case though |
| 05:29.27 | Shirik | I mean |
| 05:29.33 | Thunder_Child | sounds more interesting that way though |
| 05:29.34 | Shirik | you could do if (isInHell && dead) |
| 05:29.39 | Shirik | but that would be pointless |
| 05:29.43 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if my computer is going to magicly reboot again if i turn my monitor off and back on |
| 05:29.44 | Shirik | since isInHeal -> dead |
| 05:29.55 | Shirik | however, you might do if (dead && isInHell) if dead has a side effect |
| 05:29.57 | Arrowmaster | just installed new gfx drivers |
| 05:30.39 | Fisker | this sucks btw |
| 05:30.45 | Fisker | some koreans leaked battle report 3 for sc2 |
| 05:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:30.59 | Fisker | but their site sucks so hard |
| 05:31.05 | Thunder_Child | i tried to get /asshole but cair didnt go for it :( |
| 05:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | youtube link inc I bet, knowing fisker |
| 05:31.08 | Fisker | downloading at 15kB/s :( |
| 05:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_0MYFcwpWg |
| 05:31.59 | Fisker | older than the internet |
| 05:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | sshhh |
| 05:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | GAH |
| 05:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 1. Does it still use the JASS language, or perhaps an upgraded version of JASS? |
| 05:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | StarCraft II uses an entirely new scripting language, which weâve called Galaxy. This language is very similar to C, and anyone familiar with programming in C will have no trouble picking it up. |
| 05:41.58 | widgertick | Sounds awesome to me. |
| 05:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:43.00 | Shirik | [W From] Varrymanalow: u suk |
| 05:43.08 | Shirik | [W To] Varrymanalow: hi |
| 05:43.13 | Shirik | Varrymanalow is ignoring you. |
| 05:43.53 | Shirik | Does it have pointers, ScytheBlade1?! |
| 05:44.00 | Shirik | I would love for maps to crash |
| 05:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea |
| 05:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd imagine "no" |
| 05:44.37 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:44.39 | Shirik | buffer overflows in maps |
| 05:44.49 | Shirik | a new way to win starcraft |
| 05:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | actuallly |
| 05:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | *actually |
| 05:45.03 | Shirik | break into the host's computer |
| 05:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | There is currently a buffer overflow exploit in war3 maps |
| 05:45.06 | widgertick | StarCraft II uses an entirely new type of buffer called a "bunker" |
| 05:45.08 | Shirik | by moving your units around in a particular way |
| 05:45.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just patched in-memory when you connect to battle.net |
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| 05:45.52 | Shirik | I don't get whwy they didn't use Lua |
| 05:45.55 | Shirik | but I guess we'll see |
| 05:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 05:46.05 | Shirik | you know what would be awesome |
| 05:46.08 | Shirik | putting Lua on an airplane |
| 05:46.25 | Shirik | but the FAA would have a fit |
| 05:48.50 | Thunder_Child | huh...i lost my grid on the raid pane |
| 05:50.21 | Shirik | happens to me whenever I log in mid-combat |
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| 05:58.26 | Thunder_Child | how would you make a macro to /yell something only after the spell gets cast |
| 05:58.31 | Thunder_Child | and not just on the button press |
| 05:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | aftercast |
| 05:59.32 | Thunder_Child | /aftercast ? |
| 05:59.35 | ScytheBlade1 | addon |
| 05:59.45 | Thunder_Child | how would you do that in a macro? |
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| 06:00.18 | ScytheBlade1 | offhand I'm not sure, you'd have to check the addon docs |
| 06:02.49 | Torhal | Bah. I can tell Cairenne is on vacation. |
| 06:03.19 | ScytheBlade1 | you can eh |
| 06:03.48 | Torhal | Yup. Shirik isn't all submissive-like, and my new addon isn't approved. |
| 06:03.49 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:03.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:04.19 | Shirik | it's not new |
| 06:04.37 | Torhal | Oh? |
| 06:04.44 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:04.48 | Shirik | not according to my tools |
| 06:04.56 | Torhal | ? |
| 06:05.13 | Shirik | GearGauge [UPDATE] |
| 06:05.21 | Torhal | I changed the description :) |
| 06:05.24 | Torhal | It's new. |
| 06:05.31 | Shirik | hm |
| 06:05.33 | Shirik | it shouldn't do that |
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| 06:06.14 | Iriel | Wheee.. spinal tap on rock band, how come I didn't know! |
| 06:06.46 | Shirik | Iriel |
| 06:06.52 | Shirik | I was discussing something you would be interested in today |
| 06:06.57 | Shirik | but I totally forgot what it was |
| 06:07.15 | Iriel | Shirik: How.... helpful 8-) |
| 06:07.16 | Shirik | there you go Torhal, now shoo :P |
| 06:07.21 | Iriel | How's the camera? |
| 06:07.27 | Shirik | love it |
| 06:07.33 | Iriel | Excellent - as it should be |
| 06:07.34 | Shirik | have you seen the flower pic :P |
| 06:07.40 | Torhal | Shirik: Hehe, danke. |
| 06:07.41 | Iriel | I dont think so |
| 06:07.58 | Shirik | http://shiibot.com/photos/Flower-HQ.jpg <-- warning, 8 MB |
| 06:08.10 | Iriel | I laugh in the face of 8MB |
| 06:08.22 | Shirik | I can't believve the detail I got |
| 06:08.33 | Shirik | I'm still in debate over whether I should have closed the aperture a bit more, but I still like the shot |
| 06:08.40 | Iriel | I'm jealous of your full frame sensor |
| 06:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | For a picture of that quality, you should totally use .png |
| 06:10.30 | Shirik | I don't believe lightroom has that option |
| 06:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm kidding, I mostly wanted to see you uploading 30MB+ .png images |
| 06:12.14 | Torhal | Good lord, I can see pollen. |
| 06:13.34 | Shirik | It is totally worth the price I paid |
| 06:13.42 | Shirik | and that lens I picked up is equally marvelous |
| 06:14.02 | Shirik | I just have a little trouble with its AF sensor, but that's not a big deal |
| 06:14.13 | Shirik | since I can do a last-minute override on that lens |
| 06:14.18 | Shirik | tell it to AF and then MF from there |
| 06:14.38 | Shirik | so long as I keep it in focus lock, the AF doesn't fight back (feature, not bug) |
| 06:14.55 | Iriel | Yeah, that's fairly standard (and useful) |
| 06:15.20 | Iriel | Well, I'm going to have to respond with a fairly old (previous camera) picture |
| 06:15.32 | Iriel | Only 3mb |
| 06:15.33 | Iriel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/PurpleGreenBzz.jpg |
| 06:16.23 | Shirik | oh god |
| 06:16.28 | Shirik | I don't have the patience to try to do that |
| 06:16.31 | Shirik | I tried to get a shot of a bee |
| 06:16.35 | Shirik | but I gave up |
| 06:16.38 | Shirik | it came out like crap |
| 06:16.43 | Iriel | The trick with bees is... |
| 06:16.50 | Iriel | 1) Shoot in bright sunlight |
| 06:16.54 | Iriel | 2) Take LOTS of pictures |
| 06:16.54 | Shirik | I like still targets :) |
| 06:17.02 | Shirik | Yeah I'm still getting used to #2 |
| 06:17.04 | Iriel | The fly was VERY cooperative |
| 06:17.10 | Shirik | not used to it being an option |
| 06:17.21 | Iriel | That was the day I got my macro lens so i was still figuring things out |
| 06:17.27 | Iriel | (I still am when it comes to macro shooting) |
| 06:17.45 | Shirik | I'm really just getting started in macro |
| 06:17.53 | Shirik | I used to do only landscapes, etc. |
| 06:19.09 | Shirik | my old standard lens was f/3.5-5.6 |
| 06:19.28 | Shirik | having this one that's f/2.8 all the way through brings a really fun new toy |
| 06:19.40 | Shirik | part of the reason I got it |
| 06:26.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, L2ContinusDrive |
| 06:28.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:28.35 | Shirik | continuous shots? |
| 06:28.53 | Shirik | I do have it on, but that's because I bracket my shots |
| 06:28.57 | Thunder_Child | yes, hold down the shutter button |
| 06:30.59 | Iriel | NIght all |
| 06:32.16 | Shirik | wait Iriel! |
| 06:32.25 | Shirik | still here? >.> |
| 06:32.42 | Iriel | Yes? |
| 06:33.00 | Shirik | Do you have any suggestions for cutting out haze? |
| 06:33.11 | Shirik | My understanding is a UV filter should cut it out, but I haven't used them |
| 06:33.14 | Shirik | are they effective? |
| 06:34.04 | Grum | can you set the camera distance (of your trailing camera) through lua? |
| 06:34.15 | Iriel | It depends on why you've got the haze in the first place, I've heard some people swear by UV filters, others on a Hot Mirror (if your camera's very sensitive to IR and it's hot out). I've never had a massive problem with it myself. |
| 06:34.18 | Iriel | BUT |
| 06:34.38 | Iriel | I have a UV filter on my lenses because it's a cheap and effective way to avoid scratching a $1000 lens |
| 06:34.53 | Shirik | I've heard that statement too :) |
| 06:35.23 | Shirik | thanks |
| 06:35.25 | Grum | Iriel: that is quite standard indeed hehe |
| 06:36.14 | Iriel | Grum: Yeah, I started doing it based on someone else's suggestion |
| 06:36.29 | Grum | yeah that is how i heard it as well |
| 06:37.08 | Grum | and if you think about it .. it makes so much sense that you /bonk your own head for not thnking it yourself ;) |
| 06:42.17 | batrick | Man I can see how those high quality cameras could be consuming as a hobby. |
| 06:42.21 | batrick | I think I'll stay away... |
| 06:42.21 | Thunder_Child | i do that, and it saved my lens one when i droped it |
| 06:42.34 | Thunder_Child | good, we dont want you bringing them down |
| 06:42.55 | batrick | TC who pee'd in your cheerios? |
| 06:43.04 | batrick | I bet it was Shirik |
| 06:43.12 | batrick | he had a big grin on his face when he walked in |
| 06:43.44 | Grum | wtb titanium ore :( |
| 06:44.25 | Thunder_Child | batrick, this is normal batrick. come around more often and you would remember |
| 06:45.01 | batrick | Or perhaps it is normal for your cheerios to have been pee'd on and you are just always in a foul temperment. |
| 06:45.12 | Thunder_Child | i dont eat cheerios |
| 06:45.22 | batrick | Whatever cereal you choose to ingest. |
| 06:45.44 | Thunder_Child | i dont eat till noon usualy so no cereal |
| 06:46.03 | batrick | You only prove me right with each successive reply. |
| 06:46.15 | batrick | Good night friends - Thunder_Child. |
| 06:47.09 | Thunder_Child | night batrick |
| 06:47.30 | Thunder_Child | we will need to do a 3-way chess game some time |
| 06:49.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i would suggest 2 filters |
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| 06:50.08 | Thunder_Child | a low level full circle one and a strong half filter |
| 06:50.48 | Fisker | makes fun of Thunder_Child |
| 06:50.54 | Thunder_Child | slaps Fisker around with Windows Me |
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| 07:05.15 | cordac | mornin |
| 07:05.59 | cordac | anyone alive? |
| 07:06.42 | ZorbaTHut | god people are bad at logic |
| 07:06.47 | ZorbaTHut | "Items cost too much DKP, and it takes too long to make DKP. Everyone always outbids me! We should increase the amount of DKP given out so items aren't as expensive." |
| 07:06.59 | cordac | hehe |
| 07:07.25 | cordac | zorba.. are u good at lua? |
| 07:07.33 | ZorbaTHut | cordac, I try to be. |
| 07:07.42 | cordac | well.. im not =( |
| 07:07.50 | cordac | i have 2 issues... |
| 07:08.36 | cordac | i use kgpanels.. what annoys me is that i have to write /kgpanels config all the time.. is there a way to make it /kgp or something ? |
| 07:08.54 | cordac | second.. is there a way of hiding partyframes |
| 07:09.20 | cordac | i used some scriptcommand for partyframes.. but as something happends, they show again =( |
| 07:09.22 | ZorbaTHut | neither of those are lua questions, they're both WoW API questions. I'm not particularly good at the WoW API ;) |
| 07:09.30 | Fisker | haha |
| 07:09.35 | Fisker | battle report 3 was fail |
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| 07:10.50 | cordac | whoops =) |
| 07:11.13 | cordac | well.. that kgpanels thing is a lua thing.. or can be solved that way anyway |
| 07:11.26 | cordac | u've seen alza's settings file? |
| 07:12.02 | cordac | he does some own slash commands |
| 07:12.21 | ZorbaTHut | no, you're missing what I'm saying - I know Lua-the-language reasonably well at this point. I don't know many details of interfacing with WoW or with other plugins. It's quite likely possible, but I could not tell you how. Good luck though :) |
| 07:12.39 | cordac | ty ty =) |
| 07:13.35 | cordac | may i ask u one more thing? |
| 07:15.21 | cordac | nvm |
| 07:15.56 | ZorbaTHut | sure, go for it. Also, if you hang around here, someone who knows more about WoW interfacing may show up. |
| 07:18.48 | mikma | ~asktoask |
| 07:18.48 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 07:19.54 | Torhal | mikma: LQT insanity - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13863-GearGauge.html |
| 07:20.05 | mikma | torhal: i just noticed it too! :) |
| 07:20.09 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 07:20.45 | mikma | torhal: i'm still gonna go with Bimbo, cause i hate that people rate my itams! :P |
| 07:21.07 | mikma | touchy, i know |
| 07:22.02 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 07:23.44 | zenzio | heh, druid called "Treantreznor"... |
| 07:23.50 | Torhal | mikma: Mine doesn't actually rate choices. You can be a warrior with mana regen enchant and you won't be penalized. |
| 07:24.06 | Torhal | You just get points based on what you have. More of a guideline type thing |
| 07:24.18 | Fisker | zenzio almost as retarded as the emblems change |
| 07:24.31 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, that's a good one |
| 07:24.33 | Torhal | Only penalty point-wise is if you're not socketed/enchanted or you're wearing something way underleveled. |
| 07:26.23 | mikma | torhal: [10:25:34] Interface\AddOns\GearGauge\GearGauge.lua:36: Cannot find a library instance of "LibItemBonus-2.0". |
| 07:26.25 | ZorbaTHut | torhal, are you including the existence of the additional BS belt socket in your calculations? |
| 07:26.27 | mikma | torhal: working as planned |
| 07:26.48 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: The lib I'm using does. |
| 07:26.53 | Torhal | mikma: FAIL |
| 07:26.56 | ZorbaTHut | ah, cool |
| 07:27.05 | mikma | torhal: oh, yes you did :) |
| 07:27.20 | Torhal | grumbles and sees what's what. |
| 07:27.54 | Fisker | YOU GET A FREE EPIC |
| 07:29.16 | mikma | torhal: and while you didn't ask, this is wowi version |
| 07:33.57 | Torhal | mikma: Figured. Ok, fixed the issue. Uploading now. |
| 07:34.08 | Torhal | Damn .pkgmeta can be a bitch. |
| 07:34.29 | Torhal | It ended up putting that lib under Libs\LibItemBonus-2.0\LibItemBonus-2.0 |
| 07:34.33 | mikma | torhal: danke |
| 07:34.51 | Torhal | Pending approval. |
| 07:34.53 | Torhal | And such. |
| 07:38.33 | Thunder_Child | is the PTR up? |
| 07:42.16 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: this is why libs with subfolders are stupid |
| 07:43.16 | Fisker | not to my knowledge Thunder_Child |
| 07:43.21 | Fisker | But it'll probably be up later today |
| 07:43.25 | Fisker | ALONG WITH SC2 BETA RAWR |
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| 07:46.14 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Aye |
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| 07:52.16 | Thunder_Child | http://www.zitzot.com/single-mother-loses-against-riaa-has-to-pay-24m/ |
| 07:53.28 | Fisker | well it's actually fair |
| 07:53.35 | Fisker | each track is worth $100000 |
| 07:53.46 | Fisker | seen the album prices lately? |
| 07:55.35 | Thunder_Child | 80,000 |
| 08:00.53 | bleeter | Fisker: and the price is so high on album prices 'coz of the gear they need for the 'artists' to be able to sing in tune |
| 08:02.08 | haste | and yet the price is the same for instrumental music! |
| 08:06.26 | bleeter | imagine how much more expensive albums by clothes horses would be if it weren't for the instrumentalists!! |
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| 08:08.01 | laeg | if your main just turned 60 would you spend the 500g for the epic mount or wait on the patch? |
| 08:09.31 | Kalroth | if your main only turned 60 now, then I wouldn't buy a mount at all, since speed is obviously not an issue |
| 08:09.38 | Kalroth | if my main* |
| 08:09.39 | Kalroth | :) |
| 08:10.54 | Thunder_Child | laeg, mine did...and i would wait |
| 08:10.55 | mikma | the patch is far far away |
| 08:10.57 | mikma | month+ |
| 08:11.00 | Thunder_Child | err..alt anyway |
| 08:11.49 | Thunder_Child | you can go to 80 w/o ever needing flying or even 100% mount speed |
| 08:12.02 | Thunder_Child | though i has a pally so it is kinda cheating |
| 08:14.04 | ZorbaTHut | laeg, I would personally spend the cash, but then again I'm rolling in cash |
| 08:14.18 | ZorbaTHut | technically you can go to 80 without ever needing a mount |
| 08:14.23 | ZorbaTHut | this is not to imply that you should, however |
| 08:16.28 | End | also, keep in mind 3.2 is a long ways away |
| 08:16.53 | End | (well, that's what mikma said!) |
| 08:19.40 | bleeter | gah, 3.2 won't stop my lowbies from having to run back to capitals to get the pvp daily |
| 08:20.37 | Thunder_Child | 430g is one hell of a diff in price |
| 08:26.10 | laeg | i have 2k |
| 08:26.18 | laeg | and make a few hundred a day using auctioneero |
| 08:26.22 | laeg | so maybe i should buy |
| 08:26.45 | laeg | i'll probably be 80 by the time the patch is out in which case i won't even need the mount, cheaper or not# |
| 08:26.54 | laeg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:29.56 | tekkub | kd3: le poke |
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| 08:33.36 | mikma | torhal: jesus how you suck |
| 08:33.47 | mikma | torhal: [11:33:12] Interface\AddOns\GearGauge\GearGauge.lua:808: Cannot find a library instance of "AceDB-3.0". ... beta3 |
| 08:38.19 | cordac | hmmz.. ouf broken or somethin? |
| 08:38.36 | cordac | trying to get pelims to work.. just get the default |
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| 08:46.45 | Torhal | mikma: I'm seriously considering abandoning .pkgmeta :P |
| 08:47.03 | jnwhiteh | why's that? |
| 08:47.09 | mikma | torhal: you are missing... AceDB, AceConfig, AceGUI |
| 08:47.23 | mikma | torhal: i'm trying to fix it on my end so i can see how the addon works ^^ |
| 08:47.32 | Torhal | Eh, unpredictability of where it puts what due to every lib author having a different layout. |
| 08:48.10 | Torhal | goes to download his own addon so he can fix where libs are pointed to. |
| 08:48.32 | mikma | torhal: they are *missing* at the embeds.xml completely |
| 08:48.36 | mikma | torhal: also, the folders are not there |
| 08:49.01 | Torhal | mikma: Bah. I failed. |
| 08:49.08 | mikma | now it works |
| 08:53.02 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5295987/myvibe-thighs+on-first-iphone-vibrator-app-approved-by-apple-nsfw |
| 08:55.39 | Thunder_Child | on a site "This is where Ads would go, but you've got Javascript turned off - how sneaky of you. Very, very sneaky!" |
| 08:56.06 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:59.48 | Fisker | some danish sites have begun to block you if you adblock |
| 08:59.54 | Fisker | but that also runs on javascript |
| 09:00.00 | Fisker | so if you disable that they're fucked |
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| 09:38.05 | mikma | torhal: [12:37:43] Interface\AddOns\GearGauge\GearGauge.lua:786: attempt to call upvalue 'OpenConfig' (a nil value) <- when clicking LDB |
| 09:39.56 | Torhal | Interesting. |
| 09:41.07 | Torhal | mikma: Go to 1146 and remove the word local. |
| 09:41.19 | Torhal | I can't be arsed to fix it anymore tonight. |
| 09:42.22 | mikma | you go to hell! you go to hell and you die! |
| 09:43.22 | mikma | torhal: no difference, nyah nyah |
| 09:43.24 | Torhal | Too late! |
| 09:43.28 | Torhal | Wheee |
| 09:43.32 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 09:43.41 | Torhal | Yola |
| 09:44.44 | Torhal | mikma: Just do a "/gg config" and be happy. Or at least mildly psychotic. |
| 09:44.52 | Kalroth | :D |
| 09:44.55 | mikma | torhal: gg |
| 09:45.07 | Kalroth | ggg |
| 09:45.18 | Kalroth | *G* |
| 09:45.26 | Cruciformer | gee! |
| 09:45.35 | Torhal | mikma: Or, if you prefer, "/geargauge config" |
| 09:45.53 | mikma | torhal: gg! |
| 09:46.29 | Kalroth | aww |
| 09:46.35 | Kalroth | you scared him away mikma |
| 09:46.55 | Kalroth | what is gear gauge anyways? |
| 09:47.29 | Cruciformer | Im sure Im hardly the first to notice this but Apple makes absolutely crappy software for windows. iTunes just blows serious chunks. |
| 09:47.49 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info13863-GearGauge.html |
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| 09:48.04 | Cruciformer | took me 11 attempts to sync my iphone. |
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| 09:54.38 | Fisker | not having an iphone works straight off the bat |
| 09:57.42 | Cruciformer | Fisker: Indeed :) |
| 09:58.06 | Cruciformer | I'm not an apple fan but they did get the iphone right, its a slick device. |
| 09:58.35 | amro | I like the part where I'm not in control |
| 09:58.59 | Cruciformer | in control of? |
| 09:59.15 | amro | the iPhone |
| 09:59.39 | Cruciformer | meh. You're probably not in control of the engine management firmware of your car but it doesnt make it any less drivable. |
| 10:00.28 | amro | I don't need permission from the car manufacturer to change the seats, or take a passenger, or change the oil |
| 10:01.09 | amro | I'm not even talking about the OS itself, but for instance it's useless to me because I can't use it with my carrier |
| 10:01.13 | Cruciformer | one download, 3 clicks and u can be in control of an iphone btw. |
| 10:01.36 | Cruciformer | amro: yeah that irks me to no end. hence I jailbreak it and simfree it. |
| 10:01.55 | Cruciformer | when I moved from teh usa back to south africa, do you think they'd activate the phone in SA for me? Noooooo. |
| 10:02.36 | amro | indeed, you have to do something apple doesn't want you to in order to use it. and then you can't easily get updates either |
| 10:03.10 | amro | they should just unshackle it and sell it worldwide, but right now nokia's phones are looking a whole lot better |
| 10:03.16 | Cruciformer | yup. *sigh*. I will never understand why apple doesnt sell (for more money) an unlocked phone. |
| 10:04.04 | Cruciformer | its largely reflective of their culture. "We know whats best for you and you will damned well like it" |
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| 10:04.21 | Torhal | I thought it was "Not Made Here" syndrome. |
| 10:04.55 | Arrowmaster | suppost to be a few new android phones this year |
| 10:05.18 | ZorbaTHut | apple's always been a bunch of control freaks |
| 10:05.29 | Cruciformer | that probably has a lot to do with it too. But I think they overestimated how much being in the mobile market would cost them and the best way they can recoup dev costs is to enter into "exclusive" deals with a single carrier in each country. |
| 10:06.28 | Cruciformer | although strangley, by law, a few of those countries mandate allphones must be network unlocked, so you CAN get an officially unlocked iphone if you try hard enough. |
| 10:07.18 | Arrowmaster | except it might not work well in another country |
| 10:07.51 | Arrowmaster | doesnt att use a different 3g frequency than most of the rest of the world? |
| 10:07.53 | Cruciformer | yeah it a crap shoot. so far tho using the yellowsn0w unlock has worked perfectly for me. |
| 10:08.29 | Cruciformer | yeah some countries are 800Mzh and others 900 on the low band. i think they all support 2.4ghz tho. Something like that, the numbers may be wrong. |
| 10:08.54 | Cruciformer | but I think the iphone is a quad-band phone always (but I am not 100% sure of that) |
| 10:08.57 | Arrowmaster | well also not everybody uses gsm |
| 10:09.26 | Cruciformer | ya well thats a different issue altogether. This obviously only applies to gsm networks. iphone is no different to nokia in that regard. |
| 10:09.39 | Cruciformer | nokia's gsm phones also only work on gsm networks, which is most of the world. |
| 10:09.59 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know a good alarm clock mod with some kind of configurable alarm options? mostly "keep ringing until I turn it off"? |
| 10:10.01 | amro | nokia offers different models though |
| 10:10.22 | Cruciformer | true. |
| 10:10.29 | Arrowmaster | some nokia phones are available in different network types though |
| 10:11.23 | Cruciformer | its true, although gsm is by far the biggest. Tyically the different flavours of nokia are the dual-band ones that differe from country to country where the frequencies differ. Most of them are still gsm phones tho. |
| 10:12.25 | Cruciformer | other than CDMA and GSM what netowrks are there out there in any size? |
| 10:12.39 | Cruciformer | (or whatever the "other" usa network is called) |
| 10:24.49 | nevcairiel | GSM is the second-generation, of course there is the third-generation, what US people just call 3G, or any sane people call UMTS |
| 10:25.50 | Cruciformer | I knew it ... all my English friends are insane, coz they call it 3G too, as do teh south africans. |
| 10:26.03 | Cruciformer | (who we already knew were nuts) |
| 10:26.30 | nevcairiel | its not like people call GSM "2G" |
| 10:27.22 | Cruciformer | yeah the nomenclature I hear most often is either "gsm" or "3g" (where "gsm" is the older stuff and "3g" is meant to mean higher speed data, video calls, MMS etc) |
| 10:29.06 | Cruciformer | although technically the iphone (which stared this discussion) isnt a real 3G phone becuase it dosnt have both a forward and rear facing camera |
| 10:29.07 | nevcairiel | I blame apple for naming the iPhone with UMTS "3G" |
| 10:29.33 | Arrowmaster | people were calling it 3g before that |
| 10:30.31 | Cruciformer | what I still dont get about the iphone, even with teh shiny new OS 3, is you cant do the mind-bogglingly simple task of actually forwarding an SMS. Now you can at least cut n paste, but would it have killed them to add a "forward to" button? |
| 10:32.05 | nevcairiel | I don't think my phone can do that |
| 10:32.09 | nevcairiel | and i've never missed it tbh |
| 10:32.40 | Cruciformer | there have been a fair number of times ive missed it, when someone sms's me a phone number or address and I want to send it to my mates. |
| 10:33.03 | Cruciformer | most nokia's, ericcsons, lg and samsung phones have it. |
| 10:33.21 | nevcairiel | maybe mine even can do that, and i've never tried/needed |
| 10:33.22 | Arrowmaster | well sms is limited on message size, so it would have to forward without saying its a forward or who its originally from so i can see why most phones dont have it |
| 10:33.50 | Arrowmaster | oh.... |
| 10:33.51 | nevcairiel | meh all phones can send/receive multi-part sms |
| 10:33.56 | Arrowmaster | my phone can forward sms |
| 10:34.07 | Arrowmaster | you dont want to know what phone i have |
| 10:34.11 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: most can. |
| 10:34.25 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: surprise us :) |
| 10:34.39 | nevcairiel | on another note, i just noticed that Burn Notice started a new season just this week, good times |
| 10:34.58 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: Is that show any good? I never did watch it. |
| 10:35.04 | nevcairiel | I like it |
| 10:35.26 | Arrowmaster | nokia 3595 |
| 10:35.37 | Arrowmaster | i had to find the model number |
| 10:35.49 | nevcairiel | i never owned a nokia, and i probably never will .. i kinda dislike them |
| 10:35.53 | Cruciformer | I am salivating like a St Bernard who just swallows pure capsacin for the new Californication and Dexter seasons. |
| 10:36.02 | Arrowmaster | my phones like 5 years old |
| 10:36.05 | amro | nevcairiel: what for? |
| 10:36.07 | Arrowmaster | older than my computer |
| 10:36.09 | nevcairiel | to that effect, i have no idea about their model numbers |
| 10:36.23 | Arrowmaster | their model numbers dont mean anything |
| 10:36.38 | Taroven | Woah nev, thanks for reminding me. *starts downloading eps* |
| 10:36.46 | Cruciformer | anyone else dig californication? |
| 10:36.55 | nevcairiel | californication is great |
| 10:37.21 | Cruciformer | I have such a crush on Natascha McElhone its not funny. Have had since I saw her in ronin tho ... she's ultra-yummy. |
| 10:37.56 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 10:38.16 | Cruciformer | esp in Ronin when she had that charming irish accent, which I am a complete sucker for. |
| 10:39.38 | Cruciformer | isnt there a BSG spinoff starting soon? Caprica or something like that? |
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| 11:02.52 | Adys | ffs |
| 11:03.03 | Cruciformer | wossup adys? |
| 11:03.21 | Adys | What's the dpkg-reconfigure for mimetype application assignments? |
| 11:03.28 | Adys | KDE is shitting the crap out of this. |
| 11:03.55 | Adys | its opening jpg links in imagemagick, other links in w3m |
| 11:04.04 | Adys | default lua editor is a hex editor |
| 11:04.12 | Cruciformer | no idea Im a centos/yum kinda guy :/ |
| 11:04.13 | Adys | AVIs are opened in gwenview.. its ridiculous |
| 11:05.06 | Cruciformer | dpkg-reconfigure shared-mime-info |
| 11:05.24 | Cruciformer | (quick google search) |
| 11:05.27 | Adys | ah there it is |
| 11:05.28 | Adys | yeah |
| 11:05.30 | Adys | got it at the same time |
| 11:05.43 | Adys | Unknown media type in type 'interface/x-winamp-skin' |
| 11:05.53 | Adys | Wtf, is this really in freedesktop.org? |
| 11:07.06 | Cruciformer | on a different note, have u ever tried enlightenment as a window manager? Esp E17, if its far enough along (havent looked in ages since my linux access is $$SSH not $DISPLAY) |
| 11:08.16 | Adys | i did a year ago or something when I had problems with metacity |
| 11:08.23 | Adys | it sucked |
| 11:08.41 | Arrowmaster | its still in active development? |
| 11:08.50 | Adys | as active as their dev team gets ... |
| 11:08.57 | Cruciformer | thats a pity it had such promise and it was always the most visually stunning of all *nix WM's. |
| 11:09.07 | Arrowmaster | enlightenment is old |
| 11:09.16 | Adys | it used to be |
| 11:09.20 | Cruciformer | Not E17 ... thats pretty new. |
| 11:09.22 | Adys | other WMs caught up |
| 11:09.43 | Adys | now its just a wannabe-goodlooking WM with an old codebase |
| 11:09.48 | Adys | same stuff as firefox. |
| 11:10.45 | Cruciformer | carsten wotsisname is quite possibly the worst coder I never saw. each E release prior to E17 was so badly written, when it needed a new version for enw features it required a complete rewrite. |
| 11:10.59 | Cruciformer | it was completely and utterly illegible. |
| 11:11.15 | Cruciformer | and it frequently choked GNU indent so I couldnt even pretty it up |
| 11:12.04 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.34 | Vilkku | in TourGuide, what does the green background mean? |
| 11:14.17 | mikma | it's located in town |
| 11:14.24 | Vilkku | cheers |
| 11:14.40 | Vilkku | also, I've followed it excactly but I'm one level behind =( |
| 11:16.59 | Vilkku | and I assume the rested-symbol means you should set your home there? |
| 11:17.10 | Cruciformer | anyone here use SLI nvidia cards with multiple monitors? |
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| 12:39.42 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. What's the countdown to your trip? |
| 12:41.00 | zenzio | that anxious to get a break from me? ;) Will be two weeks the coming Monday |
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| 12:42.08 | Lopeppeppy | I have to plan how I'll keep myself occupied without you! *sniff* |
| 12:42.21 | zenzio | aw :) |
| 12:42.42 | zenzio | you can borrow my cat; she'll be home alone for part of my vacation |
| 12:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | Poor kitty! Do you have a sitter for her? |
| 12:45.30 | zenzio | not yet; working on it. Shouldn't be a problem |
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| 13:04.43 | jnwhiteh | is ther a function that disables error sounds/display for macros? |
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| 13:04.50 | jnwhiteh | i heard one showed up somewhere |
| 13:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | Other than the line that people already put into macros, you mean? |
| 13:07.33 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 13:07.37 | jnwhiteh | i thought blizz added a function for it |
| 13:07.42 | jnwhiteh | may be wrong tho |
| 13:07.47 | jnwhiteh | and any idea what that line is ? :P |
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| 13:10.46 | Kraps | random forumee: Summer time! Free ulduar gear in heroics for everyone! New instance and gear for everyone, yes even 5man! Don't give up ur subscription, enjoy facerolling to full Ulduar gear in the summer! |
| 13:10.47 | Kraps | Cu soon in patch 3.2! |
| 13:11.01 | Kraps | Wryxian: Enjoy the summer with a forum holiday :-) |
| 13:11.29 | Kraps | yeah he used a smiley |
| 13:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | jnwhiteh, I don't have it in front of me right now... |
| 13:12.05 | jnwhiteh | no worries =) |
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| 13:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.08 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.08 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:52.31 | Kraps | i never thought of this: The ability to turn off experience gains means that you can play as classic WoW! |
| 13:54.45 | Lopeppeppy | how does that compute, Kraps? |
| 13:56.30 | Kraps | 1.level to 60 |
| 13:56.31 | Kraps | 2.turn off xp gain |
| 13:56.33 | Kraps | 3.raid bwl or somesuch to your hearts content |
| 13:56.34 | Kraps | 4.??? |
| 13:56.36 | Kraps | 5.Profit! |
| 13:57.18 | Lopeppeppy | True. *nod* |
| 14:01.39 | mikma | how about |
| 14:01.53 | mikma | buy normal wow, dont upgrade. profit. |
| 14:02.31 | Kraps | most people already have wotlk |
| 14:02.35 | _rane | no one _really_ wants to play vanilla |
| 14:03.06 | Kraps | at least the ones who qq about "bring back classic it was better!" |
| 14:03.22 | _rane | they don't |
| 14:03.38 | _rane | they're just somehow under the impression things were better back then |
| 14:04.22 | Kraps | thats what people keep trying to tell them |
| 14:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Uphill both ways, sunny |
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| 14:07.33 | Kraps | living on a hill must suck |
| 14:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | But fun in the winter |
| 14:07.49 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:10.26 | _rane | in reality, wow revolves around getting purples so badly that raiding suddenly isn't as fun anymore when you're not getting top-notch epics |
| 14:11.50 | Kraps | are you being sarcastic? |
| 14:12.06 | _rane | nope |
| 14:12.44 | Kraps | thats why they are changing emblems |
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| 14:17.36 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
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| 14:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo |
| 14:20.26 | Wobin | what level can you start the argent tournament quest? |
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| 14:22.50 | Kraps | Requires level 77 |
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| 14:24.03 | p3lim | Can someone with an US account post something for me on the official forums? |
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| 14:25.52 | p3lim | anyone? |
| 14:26.08 | Kraps | i find twinking interesting |
| 14:27.32 | mikma | no, don't |
| 14:27.34 | mikma | it's a trap |
| 14:28.03 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17899770384&sid=1 |
| 14:28.07 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/3089/Bender%20Scream.jpg |
| 14:30.27 | Kraps | theres a Palehoof Appreciation Thread |
| 14:34.41 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/14019/fuckbvalls.jpg (it's actually sfw) |
| 14:36.40 | Kraps | wts is that for anyway? |
| 14:50.32 | Shirik | TC-Away: You mean neutral density filters? |
| 14:50.38 | Shirik | I already have a 2-stop full ND filter |
| 14:50.45 | Shirik | I intend to get a graduated one as well |
| 14:51.00 | Shirik | I'll probably be picking up a UV filter and a graduated ND filter this weekend |
| 14:51.19 | Shirik | I also need a tripod |
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| 15:04.04 | Kraps | gg ezpass cant take payments online or over the phone |
| 15:04.42 | Kraps | +1 for unefficient gvmt |
| 15:05.38 | Lopeppeppy | I registered my EZ pass online, and set up recurring payments online. Keep trying, Kraps |
| 15:05.51 | alestane | For tools and whatnot? |
| 15:05.54 | alestane | tolls* |
| 15:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yup |
| 15:06.19 | alestane | Yeah, Mass started offering free first transponders if you'd just sign up. |
| 15:06.29 | Kraps | its probably because my account is revoked |
| 15:06.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that would do it, Kraps |
| 15:06.45 | Kraps | one i dont remember opening\ |
| 15:07.02 | Ycarene | ez-pass, is that the thing for truck drivers so they don't have to weigh at the border? |
| 15:07.05 | Kraps | and someone has been using/paying for |
| 15:07.29 | Kraps | stupid shit |
| 15:09.00 | Lopeppeppy | Ycarene, probably not. |
| 15:09.11 | Lopeppeppy | EZPass is for paying tolls, I doubt it can skip the weigh-in stuff. |
| 15:09.33 | Ycarene | Ahh, ok. |
| 15:09.43 | Ycarene | I think I knew that but it didn't register. |
| 15:10.02 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/19/funny-pictures-really-be-one-of-them/ |
| 15:10.04 | Ycarene | No toll roads around here, so its not something I think a lot of. |
| 15:11.48 | Lopeppeppy | I don't use mine *often*, but when I do, it's soooooo awesome not to wait in huge traffic jams at the toll booths. |
| 15:13.47 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/double-your-solar-double-your-fun/2110 ...sigh. |
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| 15:22.54 | Kraps | This is to request that account number #### be closed. If you have any questions please contact me at the above number or email address. |
| 15:23.00 | Kraps | is that ok? |
| 15:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds about right. |
| 15:25.47 | Lopeppeppy | It will get you started, at least. |
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| 15:29.41 | Kraps | where the hell did my credit card go? |
| 15:29.49 | Kraps | oh nvm |
| 15:29.52 | Lopeppeppy | Wallet? |
| 15:30.02 | Kraps | dont have one |
| 15:30.18 | Kraps | i have a box :D |
| 15:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | ...*gigglesnort* |
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| 15:39.14 | Kaelten | looks like Brothesoft is hosting 109 addons still |
| 15:39.50 | Kraps | how long do you think till the emblem qq dies down? |
| 15:42.39 | Lopeppeppy | 3 weeks, give or take |
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| 15:49.52 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
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| 16:01.08 | dardack | oh the qq about conquest from reg herocis? |
| 16:01.53 | dardack | anyone know how the mounted squire works? Been trying to find some more info. I found it lasts 3 minutes for an 8 hour CD, but you have access to your bank/mail and stuff? |
| 16:02.33 | Fisker | The way i understood was that every 8 hours you can use one of those functions for 3 minutes |
| 16:03.07 | Kraps | ^ |
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| 16:06.19 | Lunessa | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/06/city-to-job-applicants-facebook-myspace-log-ins-please.ars |
| 16:07.35 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> today's xkcd is awesomely eccentric. |
| 16:08.00 | Kaelten | yes it was |
| 16:09.59 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: i dont get much of it but i read it anyway... |
| 16:11.11 | Fisker | and if i refuse Lunessa ? |
| 16:11.44 | Lunessa | Fisker: I guess they don't hire you, and you get the joy of attempting to sue a local government. |
| 16:13.10 | jaxdahl | no 3.2 UI thread yet? |
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| 16:17.47 | mikma | shirik: why were you interested of my irssi's version couple of days ago? still planning on crashing me? |
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| 16:22.56 | Kraps | i hate this, my new server is CDT now i have to *think* about what time things are :( |
| 16:23.20 | zenzelezz | change your server's timezone setting? |
| 16:23.35 | jaxdahl | "raid tonight at 6:30 server" |
| 16:23.45 | jaxdahl | that isn't going to help, zenzelezz |
| 16:23.50 | zenzelezz | oh, his realm |
| 16:25.56 | Wobin | is there a predicted release date for the upcoming content patch? |
| 16:26.18 | zenzelezz | 2009 |
| 16:26.55 | Lunessa | I love the fact that my server time zone is the same as my local time zone. I dislike having to do the math for guildees who can't grasp the simple concept. |
| 16:27.01 | zenzelezz | my personal, unfounded guess is October(ish) |
| 16:27.46 | Fisker | tuesday Wobin |
| 16:29.43 | zenzelezz | you scared him, Fisker |
| 16:30.22 | Fisker | well that was my intent |
| 16:30.43 | zenzelezz | you succeeded, as always |
| 16:37.09 | Lunessa | http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=108374972805 - don't get caught alone, no, no! |
| 16:38.58 | Kraps | The cast time for summoning any *ground* mount is now 1.5 seconds, down from 3 seconds. WHYYYYYYY |
| 16:40.38 | jnwhiteh | why not |
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| 16:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot click, Lunessa... must be a private link. |
| 16:42.56 | Lunessa | Doh.. I copied the wrong link |
| 16:43.08 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCHFVTQKqdQ |
| 16:43.12 | Fisker | no jnwhiteh |
| 16:43.21 | Fisker | head litterature sucks |
| 16:43.33 | Lunessa | Kraps: It's AWESOME |
| 16:43.45 | Fisker | infact this is the sites the government SHOULD censor |
| 16:43.50 | Fisker | site* |
| 16:44.08 | Kraps | Lunessa: emphasis on ground :( |
| 16:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ~[6~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[6~[6~ |
| 16:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | . |
| 16:48.41 | Lunessa | Kraps: Well, it's less than awesome but still... |
| 16:52.36 | Adys | Google reader |
| 16:52.41 | Adys | http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/?p=2761 |
| 16:52.44 | Adys | comes just before http://xkcd.com/599/ |
| 16:54.31 | Lunessa | Adys: I hate to break it to you, but the dead already walk the earth. Braaaaaains, nom nom nom |
| 16:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom. |
| 16:54.57 | Adys | xkcd is already on wikipedia |
| 16:55.18 | NightHawkTheSane | 'already'? i imagine there's been an entry there for quite some time |
| 16:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom. |
| 16:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid session locking up again, grr |
| 16:56.12 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: im talking about today's comic |
| 16:56.16 | Adys | on paul erdos article |
| 16:56.33 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/126410319 |
| 16:57.05 | Lunessa | I had to go look him up, apparently I'm not a Math geek |
| 16:57.06 | jnwhiteh | i dont get the Erdos reference |
| 16:57.17 | jnwhiteh | he's a mathmetician.. famous. |
| 16:57.18 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 16:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't really get today's comic either. |
| 16:57.42 | Adys | jnwhiteh: if i understand it correctly, they all sign some paper and ask erdos to sign it so they can have an erdos number of 1 |
| 16:58.03 | jnwhiteh | hrm, okay |
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| 16:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number |
| 16:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | Erdos number of 1? |
| 16:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, now I get it. Six Degrees of Paul erdos. |
| 17:00.19 | Adys | http://wwmm.ch.cam.ac.uk/blogs/murrayrust/?p=2059 |
| 17:00.21 | Adys | I just noticed too |
| 17:00.29 | Adys | Benevolent Dictator For Life with characters such as RBS, Linus, Guido Python, Larry Perl, etc. |
| 17:00.31 | Adys | WTF |
| 17:00.38 | cordac | any computer geek knows why my burner doesnt work? just says "waiting for the unit to get ready"(sry im swedish) |
| 17:00.52 | cordac | not a wowui question.. but anyway |
| 17:00.54 | Aelobin | Adys: lol at the G-G link :P |
| 17:01.07 | Adys | cordac: burner? CD burner? |
| 17:01.11 | cordac | aye |
| 17:01.15 | Adys | what OS? vista? |
| 17:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | First solution -- restart your computer. |
| 17:01.31 | Adys | or buy a new computer |
| 17:01.33 | End | Erdos was a weird guy |
| 17:01.33 | Adys | solves everything! |
| 17:01.46 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: reminds me.. sec |
| 17:01.54 | cordac | some days ago it complained about me having windows remote service active.. wich i didnt |
| 17:02.02 | cordac | vista ofc |
| 17:02.15 | cordac | restart doesnt help |
| 17:02.51 | cordac | tbh.. windows sux |
| 17:03.10 | Lopeppeppy | Reinstall the cd drivers. |
| 17:03.10 | cordac | did that |
| 17:03.10 | cordac | its a windows issue |
| 17:03.21 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=53435.0 |
| 17:03.26 | Adys | "Thanks, guess ill format my PC then" |
| 17:03.32 | Adys | Big WTF. |
| 17:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | Uninstalling it and re-installing it didn't fix it? Frakkin' computers. |
| 17:03.36 | cordac | hehe |
| 17:03.54 | cordac | handheld + tetris rox |
| 17:04.08 | cordac | buying a pc = buy probles |
| 17:04.12 | cordac | problems* |
| 17:05.30 | Lunessa | This isn't a good venue for troubleshooting your CD/DVD burner under Windows Vista. You don't really give enough information. Better to put a full description of the issue on pastey or visit a dedicated forum. |
| 17:06.21 | cordac | i know.. i just hoped someone had the same problem.. thanks anyway =) |
| 17:06.39 | Lunessa | Adys: Holy hell. Talk about using a Nuke to kill a gnat. |
| 17:07.25 | Adys | Lunessa: Im still baffled |
| 17:07.49 | Lunessa | It's a .CSS rendering issue. Reinstall Chrome at the worst. |
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| 17:23.13 | Aelobin | tis a bit quiet =o |
| 17:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | Happens in the lunch areas. |
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| 17:29.08 | Industrial | Does anyone know if there's an IRC channel for elitistjerks/theorycrafting? |
| 17:29.29 | Adys | Industrial: #elitistjerks, gamesurge |
| 17:29.42 | Industrial | thanks |
| 17:30.32 | Industrial | wtf is this shit |
| 17:30.37 | Industrial | losing all your lighters ftl |
| 17:30.51 | Adys | try subscribe to google lighter |
| 17:31.00 | Adys | phone a number and all your lighters light up |
| 17:32.53 | Industrial | -_^ |
| 17:33.08 | Industrial | Adys: while were at it |
| 17:33.12 | Industrial | google wave is going to be awesome |
| 17:35.01 | Adys | yes |
| 17:38.29 | Lunessa | http://www.canucklehead.ca/_Media/abstinence-3.jpeg |
| 17:39.02 | AnduinLothar | didn't help me any.. |
| 17:43.28 | Lopeppeppy | WoW - yer doin' it wrong. :) |
| 17:43.42 | Lunessa | I laugh. |
| 17:43.56 | batrick | no u r |
| 17:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone in here currently using Mibbit? |
| 17:44.55 | durcyn | i thought mibbit and freenode had a parting of ways |
| 17:45.02 | Torhal | Industrial: Adding support for LibDBIcon-1.0 so you don't have to have a broker display. |
| 17:45.04 | Lopeppeppy | So I hear, I wanna know more. :) |
| 17:45.38 | Industrial | Torhal: ty |
| 17:45.38 | durcyn | http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=306 |
| 17:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, durcyn! |
| 17:46.18 | Lunessa | So, is it wrong of me to look at my facebook "people you may know" thing, and see people I don't know, but wouldn't mind knowing biblically at least once? |
| 17:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:47.02 | durcyn | Lunessa: those stupid match.com ads always catch my eye |
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| 17:47.24 | durcyn | "HEY, are you sure you don't know this model?" |
| 17:47.52 | Lunessa | I will freely admit to knowing a very broad and unusual cross section of people... but only a few actual "models" |
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| 17:48.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm the model of iniquity, does that count? |
| 17:49.26 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Any time you feel like being iniquitous, you just give me a call. |
| 17:50.06 | Industrial | "Club Iniquity: where Fetish Fashion and S&M meet..." |
| 17:50.09 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: google :p |
| 17:50.12 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* The times and tides, they flow against the wishes and desires of modern man. And woman. |
| 17:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | Indie, that doesn't sound like a page I'm gonna google at work, dear. |
| 17:50.41 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 17:52.33 | Lunessa | The worst part of wading though all these names and faces are the people I may "know" but don't associate with their "real" name or image. |
| 17:53.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I often have to follow back to their page, see who is listed under mututal friends, and extrapolate. |
| 17:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 18:02.36 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Fiskerdin&gn=Semper+Danica <-yay i can join pugs now |
| 18:02.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Fisker. |
| 18:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | damn you and your guilds that can defeat yogg-saron |
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| 18:04.45 | Fisker | :(? |
| 18:05.24 | ZorbaTHut | we just managed mimiron, and it may have been a fluke :( |
| 18:07.27 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, do you really take that much dmg as dps that you need divinity? |
| 18:08.08 | Fisker | JoL = win |
| 18:08.33 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt answer my question |
| 18:09.00 | Fisker | Is there anything else that can increase my DPS? |
| 18:09.32 | Thunder_Child | nothing wrong with a little raid utility |
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| 18:14.29 | NeoTron | ret pallies don't exactly have a ton of choices in the spec |
| 18:14.42 | NeoTron | meaning you have a few filler points you can use for pretty much whatever |
| 18:16.53 | alestane | "Intro to Basics of Fundamentals"? Brought to you be the Department of Redundancy Department much? |
| 18:17.01 | Lunessa | Damn you all and your guilds who can go to ulduar! /envy /sourgrapes |
| 18:17.15 | Dagmar | Meh |
| 18:17.26 | Dagmar | Make some friends. |
| 18:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | Damn you desk, for being out of ibuprophen! |
| 18:17.34 | Lunessa | alestane: I was tempted to just tell him to go get WOWProgramming and to read Grokking the GIMP |
| 18:17.41 | Dagmar | The only thing keeping you out of Ulduar is 10 people who know how to buy gear from the AH |
| 18:18.14 | Lunessa | Dagmar: No, the only thing keeping me out of Uludar is a desire to raid with a specific group of friends. :P Patience is king here. |
| 18:18.20 | alestane | !api SetBinding |
| 18:18.21 | lua_bot | SetBinding: Sets a key combination to a given binding. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetBinding) |
| 18:19.58 | Lopeppeppy | hides from Lunessa, under a pile of boxes. |
| 18:20.28 | Lunessa | pats Lopeppeppy and entices her out of the boxes with cookies and rum. |
| 18:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | Did I tell you my cat was sick, Lunessa? |
| 18:25.30 | Lunessa | :( No. Poor Kendra. |
| 18:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | She's got a winky-eye! |
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| 18:32.16 | Lopeppeppy | And in other flash news, my Grand Uncle Boss just learned to print addresses on envelopes. |
| 18:32.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes |
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| 18:44.42 | Lunessa | GRRRR.... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17779491730&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 18:45.42 | Dewin | Lunessa: Stableboy? |
| 18:45.44 | Dewin | is gone now. |
| 18:45.59 | Lunessa | That guy pissed me off. |
| 18:46.28 | Dagmar | You're not Nyxia are you? |
| 18:47.11 | Dagmar | ...cuz "Addons are just macros that are too long to fit in the 255 character limit of the macro screen, so the distinction you are making is not technically correct." isn't correct |
| 18:47.34 | Lunessa | No, I'm not. |
| 18:47.38 | Lunessa | I'm Unkle. |
| 18:48.10 | Dagmar | I was contemplating saying something about them being wrong, but it looks like there's enough tooth-grinding goign on in that thread already. NOthing useful would come of it |
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| 18:50.36 | Lunessa | The guy didn't want a technical solution. he wanted a chance to to show that he's smarter than everyone else. |
| 18:50.53 | Dagmar | Oh no doubt |
| 18:51.02 | Fisker | 4chan is officially banned in Denmark |
| 18:51.03 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:51.21 | kneeki | It would be really neat to have some application that scans the web for whatever search term you enter, and it saves the text/image/link associated with it. Kind of like the matrix, where neo is searching for the black guy |
| 18:51.30 | kneeki | morhpeous |
| 18:51.40 | Fisker | haste |
| 18:51.42 | Fisker | HAAAAAAALP |
| 18:52.36 | Lunessa | kneeki: Those are called "search agents" and the most common application of those in use today are "spiders" that build databases for things like google. |
| 18:52.45 | alestane | Lunessa: I do feel that that whole experience might have gone much better for everyone if they hadn't started provoking that guy, which I'm afraid they did somewhat. Unfortunately, I see this happen on that forum, that someone asks a question, gets a *slightly* snarky response, mouths off because people are being nasty to him, and suddenly there's a flame war going on. |
| 18:52.56 | mikma | haste: STOP! its a trap! |
| 18:52.59 | kneeki | Lunessa: gimme one ;) |
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| 18:53.26 | Lunessa | kneeki: Google "Search Agents" and "Web Spiders" and "Web Robots" |
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| 18:53.38 | kneeki | It would be really cool to run one, while playing possom 'sleep' in front of my PC when a friend comes over after I had invited him... huhuhuhu |
| 18:53.53 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah, I dish out a decent amount of snark/aracasm - but not as "help" |
| 18:55.14 | alestane | You didn't start it. A reasonably intelligent person got a flip answer and decided to start talking back, and suddenly people were just talking shit. |
| 18:56.26 | Fisker | well it kinda sucks mikma |
| 18:56.28 | Fisker | no more 4chan :( |
| 18:56.35 | Lunessa | I was probably crueler than needed with the "I weep" line. |
| 18:56.54 | mikma | fisker: sucks to be you nerd |
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| 18:57.03 | Hirsute | No more 4chan? |
| 18:57.51 | nicoli_s | they banned it somewhere |
| 18:58.00 | Hirsute | Lunessa: On the official forums somewhere? |
| 18:58.13 | Fisker | nope Hirsute |
| 18:58.20 | Lunessa | Hirsute: Scroll up. |
| 18:58.24 | Hirsute | Ah, okay. Was about to go look for the snakr. |
| 18:58.28 | Hirsute | *snark |
| 18:58.39 | Lunessa | Oh wait... You joined after the link - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17779491730&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 18:58.56 | Hirsute | Thanks |
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| 19:02.20 | Hirsute | Oh my. Conlaed is a twit. |
| 19:03.02 | mikma | what about that unkåe |
| 19:03.06 | mikma | unkle* |
| 19:03.12 | mikma | supertwat |
| 19:03.35 | Thunder_Child | but he is our supertwat |
| 19:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | Do not harsh on the few helpfuls of the forum. Ev-uh. |
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| 19:04.03 | drfuzzykins | oh god, he's one of those "I don't use add-ons because I 32 MB of memory will make my raids unplayable" people |
| 19:04.09 | drfuzzykins | -I |
| 19:05.24 | Lunessa | Unkle is a twit, prick, rude, cruel, hurtful and mean. But I can say those things about him with impunity. |
| 19:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | He's totally one of those. |
| 19:07.07 | Lunessa | Ask his(my) exs, they'll all tell you the same stories. Emotionally distant, unthinkingly cruel, yadda yadda. :P |
| 19:07.39 | Lopeppeppy | So's my cat, what's your point? |
| 19:07.43 | Lopeppeppy | She also winks at me. |
| 19:07.50 | drfuzzykins | that's impressive |
| 19:08.37 | Lopeppeppy | She's got a sore eye, nothing mysterious about it. :) |
| 19:09.00 | drfuzzykins | heh :P |
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| 19:09.25 | drfuzzykins | I'll have to try this Livestock add-on |
| 19:09.34 | alestane | Livestock is handy. |
| 19:13.01 | drfuzzykins | I want it mainly for the checklists, I've used a few random mount/pet summons but they always summon my ugliest, most boring pets and mounts |
| 19:13.28 | drfuzzykins | can't fly around on a Swift Blue Gryphon looking like someone who just learned to fly -_- |
| 19:14.04 | sacarasc | I just use my turbo-charged flying machine. |
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| 19:15.12 | Lopeppeppy | See y'all Monday. |
| 19:15.14 | durcyn | random mounts cease to matter once you get 310% |
| 19:15.22 | durcyn | toodles, Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:15.43 | sacarasc | Unless you have multiple 310% mounts! |
| 19:16.16 | sacarasc | Someone on my realm has ashes of Al'ar and the 2 3.0 achievement ones. |
| 19:16.33 | sacarasc | Makes me rather jealous, the ashes. |
| 19:16.42 | Buuyo | Do you guys know of any addons that represent graphically the swing timer of a boss, or at least an approximation thereof? I haven't been able to find anything on this. |
| 19:16.57 | Dagmar | I've you've got multiple uber mounts, you can bite me |
| 19:17.06 | durcyn | the only mount i'm the least big jealous of is the gladiator frostwyrm, but i know they'll just add a pve version in 3.3 |
| 19:17.16 | durcyn | Dagmar: i have two, soon to be four =P |
| 19:17.24 | Dagmar | Ya suck |
| 19:17.24 | Dagmar | heh |
| 19:17.37 | Dagmar | I could probably have one if I'd stop being lazy |
| 19:17.38 | durcyn | got Heroic: Firefighter FINALLY last night |
| 19:17.44 | durcyn | mimiron + doomfire = sadpanda |
| 19:17.53 | Dagmar | ....or if I actually paid attention to what I saw on the screen. |
| 19:18.21 | durcyn | are you doing the world event stuff for a Violet Proto Drake? |
| 19:18.25 | Dagmar | TWICE now I've taken screenshots of that rare dragon in Storm Peaks. |
| 19:18.36 | durcyn | time lost is only 280, iirc |
| 19:18.44 | Taroven | Buuyo: UnitAttackSpeed(unit) could potentially give you what you want when combined with combatlog event tracking. |
| 19:18.56 | durcyn | the only non-arena 310s right now are violet, plagued, black, rusted, and ironbound |
| 19:18.57 | Dagmar | OKay well I don't feel bad that I didn't actualyl kill the dragon that drops itself as a mount |
| 19:20.12 | drfuzzykins | Buuyo: The problem is that a boss's swing timer will increase in speed if he parries an attack made from any source, and will also pause/reset on casts |
| 19:20.21 | drfuzzykins | I'm not sure it's possible to have an accurate timer on it |
| 19:21.06 | Buuyo | Well, watching the combat log can you see if anyone else parries on the boss? |
| 19:21.22 | drfuzzykins | well, see, some bosses also don't follow that mechanic |
| 19:21.38 | drfuzzykins | their speed is also debuffed by tanks so you'd need to watch that |
| 19:22.25 | drfuzzykins | so you'd need to a) determine their attack speed b) know which bosses don't parry haste c) know how parry haste works d) track parry haste e) track attack speed debuffs |
| 19:23.31 | ZorbaTHut | I think it'd be possible, but I think you'd be asking for a full raid to help you debug each boss for a few hours |
| 19:24.04 | Buuyo | Considering how much it would help healers however |
| 19:24.12 | Dagmar | Doubtful |
| 19:24.14 | drfuzzykins | not very much to be honest |
| 19:24.19 | Buuyo | no? |
| 19:24.24 | Dagmar | ZThe time to heal is generally "as soon as possible" |
| 19:24.30 | drfuzzykins | exactly |
| 19:24.54 | drfuzzykins | timing it to boss swings will probably give you minimal to no benefit to your heals |
| 19:24.56 | Dagmar | I fail to see how it could help healers to know exactly when in the next second and a half the boss will swing. |
| 19:25.18 | Buuyo | well I'm thinking more in terms of maintaining a rythm |
| 19:25.21 | Dagmar | The only time that would be useful is if you were say, able to chain-cast nearly full heals. |
| 19:25.33 | Dagmar | ...and it would require the boss be hitting someone for more than half their life per shot. |
| 19:25.39 | Dagmar | This is not the sort of thing one heals. |
| 19:25.46 | Dagmar | Two or three people maybe. |
| 19:26.57 | drfuzzykins | I mean I'm a tank, not a healer, but I just don't see it as useful |
| 19:27.11 | drfuzzykins | bosses hit once every two seconds, less usually |
| 19:27.39 | Dagmar | I always assumed they generally attack at close to the same rate someone with an axe or sword would |
| 19:27.55 | Buuyo | when readying a heal to land proactively? |
| 19:28.08 | Dagmar | How would proactively casting a heal matter |
| 19:28.14 | drfuzzykins | the technique you're looking for is cancel casting |
| 19:28.30 | Dagmar | drfuzzykins++ |
| 19:28.45 | Buuyo | Ultimately this is coming from some of the problems that I've been having healing our MTs. I've used stopcasting a lot, but I find that I'm cancel casting occasionally a half second before the tank takes a hit |
| 19:29.11 | Buuyo | and it really freaks me out |
| 19:29.18 | Dagmar | Youv'e a ~2s window to mess about in |
| 19:29.46 | Dagmar | Proactively cast slower |
| 19:30.17 | Dagmar | ....and keep in mind the number of things that can change when the boss was going to make his next attack. |
| 19:30.27 | Buuyo | Out of curiosity, do you use a cancel cast macro rolled in with your MT heals? |
| 19:30.59 | Buuyo | or finger on esc the whole time |
| 19:31.04 | drfuzzykins | to my knowledge it's just done manually, pressing escape or a button bound to /stopcasting |
| 19:31.51 | Dagmar | I've got like, several macros that lead with /stopcasting /stopattacking |
| 19:32.17 | Dagmar | Anything that has to happen "Right. Effing. Now." should probably start that way. |
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| 19:33.11 | drfuzzykins | :O Livestock can automatically keep a vanity pet summoned for me, and dismiss it when I stealth? that's the coolest |
| 19:33.30 | Dagmar | Really? |
| 19:33.37 | Dagmar | I didn't think there was anything that would keep one out at all times like that |
| 19:33.38 | Dagmar | Cool. |
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| 19:34.11 | drfuzzykins | yeah, and if I stealth/vanish on my rogue it dismisses it so no one can find me based on its position :P |
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| 19:39.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ... why would you have a pet out in any situation where you care? |
| 19:39.36 | Dagmar | Because they amuse us |
| 19:39.52 | Dagmar | ...and some people who aren't hunters get lonely. |
| 19:40.35 | durcyn | battle-bots with pet biscuits are bigger than some players, i park mine on top of them for giggles |
| 19:42.14 | Dagmar | THe pet biscuits are fun when you have a pet that looks like your non-combat pet. |
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| 19:51.25 | drfuzzykins | pets are adorable, who doesn't want a little Murkimus the Gladiator following them around while they tank things on Yogg? |
| 19:51.31 | drfuzzykins | he's helping! |
| 19:52.29 | Buuyo | My kitty has a smaller kitty buddy that he brings with. :) |
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| 19:59.29 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, ping |
| 19:59.36 | nevcairiel | pong |
| 19:59.58 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, is there a way to make bt4 switch keybindings on talent changes? |
| 20:00.03 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:00.18 | Thunder_Child | you going to add that? |
| 20:00.35 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 20:00.41 | nevcairiel | keybindings are a bitch to work with |
| 20:01.12 | Thunder_Child | you do have a sexy implementation though |
| 20:01.42 | Thunder_Child | now go make bindings swapable! |
| 20:02.04 | Rincewind` | doesn't the talent change do that tho ? thought it gave you new bars so bars change when swapping from healing to dps for example./ |
| 20:02.19 | Thunder_Child | but bindings are to the slot |
| 20:02.19 | nevcairiel | they give you new bars |
| 20:02.21 | nevcairiel | but old bindingfs |
| 20:02.22 | Thunder_Child | not the spell in the slot |
| 20:02.23 | nevcairiel | -f |
| 20:02.37 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, does the profile save bindings? |
| 20:02.42 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:02.44 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 20:03.03 | Rincewind` | oh ok |
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| 20:07.51 | Thunder_Child | wtf...Activison Blizzard is bigger than EA? i think i disagree |
| 20:09.15 | nicoli_s | you forget how much money guitar hero + wow makes |
| 20:09.39 | Thunder_Child | http://www56.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ERTS%2C+ATVI |
| 20:10.31 | nicoli_s | damn, look at that net income for EA |
| 20:10.32 | Thunder_Child | EA is srinking and AB is groing but EA is still on top |
| 20:10.33 | nicoli_s | - a billion |
| 20:11.11 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 20:11.16 | Dagmar | That's actually useful info there. |
| 20:11.25 | Dagmar | Of the two, it's relatively obvious which one is worth investing into. |
| 20:11.41 | Thunder_Child | yep, though untill reciently you couldnt invest into blizzard |
| 20:11.50 | Thunder_Child | in the US |
| 20:11.59 | nicoli_s | cuz they wanted all the money to themselves |
| 20:12.11 | Thunder_Child | because it was a french company |
| 20:12.24 | durcyn | what part of 'wholly owned subsidiary of vivendi universal' is ambiguous |
| 20:12.27 | nicoli_s | i prefer my reasoning |
| 20:12.42 | Dagmar | That and "shareholder interest" is something akin to a death sentence for companies that want to product the highest quality products. |
| 20:13.13 | Dagmar | You can actually be *sued* by random asshat lawyers just because you made the best product on the market, instead of making a mediocre product efficiently with more profit. |
| 20:14.00 | Dagmar | ...and they don't even have to prove that you could have increased profits by making a crappier product. |
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| 20:19.21 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/gallery-deep-inside-the-iphone-3g-s/ |
| 20:21.16 | Fisker | deep inside your mom |
| 20:21.16 | Fisker | hoho |
| 20:23.46 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.airsexworldchampionships.com/?page_id=2 |
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| 20:36.39 | Cruciformer | Mikk: ping |
| 20:41.55 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 20:51.45 | myrkraverk | is it possible to reset stuff saved in layout-local.txt? |
| 20:52.08 | myrkraverk | that is, can I add a script function(ality) that resesets a certain item, saved in that file? |
| 20:52.21 | tlund | is 3.2 up on the PTR in the US yet? in EU? |
| 20:52.27 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
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| 20:53.22 | myrkraverk | NightHawkTheSane, it might help if you said which question you were answering ;-) |
| 20:53.58 | NightHawkTheSane | probably. |
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| 20:59.00 | Cruciformer | whats the quickest way of getting the integer portion of a floating point number? |
| 20:59.17 | Cruciformer | is it floor()? |
| 21:00.35 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 21:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | at the last, its the easist and most straightforward |
| 21:02.07 | Cruciformer | k Ill use that for the nonce, but this is something I may need in a tight loop so I was wondering if there was a more efficient way |
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| 21:02.40 | Cruciformer | (becuase floor() is probably implemented in Lua by callinghte C library floor() which is not a simple operation. |
| 21:03.30 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, you may need to look through the lua source, for that info |
| 21:03.52 | Cruciformer | yup I will. |
| 21:04.19 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, and, it's quite probable that floor() will not be your bottleneck in your loop, so be vary of premature optimization |
| 21:04.41 | Cruciformer | :) That is sasge advice sir. |
| 21:04.51 | Cruciformer | s/sasge/sage/ |
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| 21:09.44 | Lunessa | Oh man, browsing old Blizzcon photos is an excellent source of entertainment. |
| 21:10.02 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 21:13.45 | Lunessa | Heh, TC Iriel posted on of your from '07 |
| 21:14.34 | jaxdahl | what was it knuth said |
| 21:14.39 | jaxdahl | premature optimization is.. |
| 21:14.53 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, did you mean to say "one of xxx"? |
| 21:15.02 | Thunder_Child | or soemsuch |
| 21:15.20 | Lunessa | I meant to say "one photo of you." |
| 21:16.57 | Thunder_Child | i know >.< |
| 21:17.37 | Lunessa | I'm just glad I book-marked it for future black-mail purposes. |
| 21:17.45 | Thunder_Child | he snuck it in inbetween 300 shots of cair |
| 21:18.38 | Thunder_Child | i am sure there are some of me from 2k8 but no one posts their pics |
| 21:20.01 | Lunessa | He posted all your pictures from the UI dinner - at least I'll be able to sort of recognize faces this year. |
| 21:20.36 | Thunder_Child | who is he? |
| 21:20.48 | Lunessa | Iriel |
| 21:20.57 | Lunessa | He built a gallery of 2007 images. |
| 21:21.15 | Lunessa | Sorry... Context exists only in my head. |
| 21:22.10 | kd3 | yay! more people thinking we (the wiki) are blizzard |
| 21:22.29 | kd3 | a problem report about access shaft zeon... "I've gotten stuck and it's costing me subscription money! Fix it!" |
| 21:22.47 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, oh...i thought you were talking about the other gallery |
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| 21:23.06 | Thunder_Child | gimmie the other one? |
| 21:23.16 | Lunessa | kd3: Tell him to stuff his post in his own access shaft. |
| 21:25.18 | Thunder_Child | ~prod Lunessa |
| 21:25.28 | mikma | ~prodigy |
| 21:25.28 | purl | hmm... prodigy is the best coding music. |
| 21:25.30 | Cruciformer | is there any way to destory a frame created by CreateFrame() once you are done with it? |
| 21:25.44 | zenzelezz | no |
| 21:25.55 | Lunessa | http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2007/ - I lie - it's Norganna's site. |
| 21:26.17 | Thunder_Child | oh...well i posted my own dinner pictures Lunessa, not iriel |
| 21:26.36 | Lunessa | Yeah. I should quit skimming the "owner" tags. |
| 21:26.39 | Cruciformer | and simply assigning nil to the frame variable (thus eliminating references to it) ... is that worthwhile? |
| 21:27.01 | Thunder_Child | my point was not enough people posted pics |
| 21:27.40 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: for what purpose? |
| 21:28.03 | Cruciformer | I dont know, hence the question. |
| 21:28.27 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: No. Frames don't ever get garbage collected. |
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| 21:29.26 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I don't carry a camera (the one in my blackberry doesn't count!) to take photos with. |
| 21:29.41 | zenzelezz | then what do you carry a camera for? |
| 21:29.48 | Thunder_Child | bring one? |
| 21:30.29 | NeoTron | speaking of cameras, wonder why there aren't netcameras |
| 21:30.44 | NeoTron | wifi and/or 3g connected devices that, as opposed to a cellphone, are real cameras |
| 21:30.48 | Thunder_Child | there are |
| 21:31.03 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: The only camera I have at the moment, is the one in my Blackberry. And it sucks. |
| 21:31.11 | Cruciformer | one more quick question. Is it safe to frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) inside an OnUpdate handler function? |
| 21:31.47 | Lunessa | ... so every screen redraw you want to set your script to "nil"? |
| 21:32.11 | Cruciformer | No ... only when I am done with the onupdate handler. It is only there to calculate one value. |
| 21:32.46 | Lunessa | Then why does it need to be in an "OnUpdate" ? |
| 21:33.45 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: Due to the lack of being able to get server time in seconds. I have to repeatedly call GetGameTime() until the minutes value changes, then call GetTime() % 60 to get the delta between server seconds and local PC seconds. |
| 21:34.02 | NeoTron | http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/sea/ticketing/special_group.jsp?group=cheezburger wow |
| 21:34.16 | NeoTron | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/05/19/funny-pictures-cheezburger-nite-seattle-mariners/ |
| 21:34.32 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: Seems like an expensive way to track time. |
| 21:34.42 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, buy a camera? |
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| 21:34.54 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I wish. |
| 21:35.00 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: I am modifying http://www.wowwiki.com/GameTime:Get so it doesnt do all that work all the time |
| 21:35.04 | Lunessa | I really want a good camera. |
| 21:35.17 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, DSLR or point and click? |
| 21:35.42 | Cruciformer | so that once it has calculated the offset once, I can just use GetTime() - offset. |
| 21:35.43 | Thunder_Child | though the line does seem to be bluring between them |
| 21:35.58 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I need more training before I can justify the expensive of DSLR. |
| 21:36.26 | Lunessa | s / expensive / expense |
| 21:36.50 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: this is for event numbering. I need a reliable way of getting a "timestamp" with seconds accuracy. |
| 21:37.07 | Kraps | thassarian could be wittier, like this: bloodbane says "to hell with you thassarian". thassarian answers "i'm already there moron" |
| 21:37.51 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: I get it now. And once you finish with execution, you want the memory used by your script to be freed up for GC. |
| 21:38.28 | Cruciformer | yeah coz once I have calculated the offset I dont ever need to do it again so the frame that was calculating it in the OnUpdate handler can go bye-bye |
| 21:38.49 | Cruciformer | so I want to SetScript ("OnUpdate", nil) from within the onupdate handler. Is that safe? |
| 21:39.19 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, you can get decent ones for $500 or decent compacts for 200 |
| 21:39.40 | Cruciformer | or u can buy my 1dsmk3 |
| 21:40.20 | Lunessa | I would guess ... just guess mind you ... that it won't hurt anything. I don't think the frame will be GC'ed but it won't be processing anymore. |
| 21:40.47 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Yeah, but that has to sit behind other needs in my expense queue. |
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| 21:41.01 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, it had better be infront of food though |
| 21:41.02 | Torhal | Cruciformer: In the OnUpdate, when the time is reached, just hide the timer frame. |
| 21:41.02 | Cruciformer | and if I simply call CreateFrame(), how many events is it secretly processing? Should I call UnregisterAllEvents()? |
| 21:41.14 | Lunessa | It's behind books. |
| 21:41.33 | Torhal | Just make one timer frame, set its OnUpdate() to your function, then show it when you want it to count, hide it when done. |
| 21:41.43 | Thunder_Child | hmm... |
| 21:41.50 | Lunessa | That's a more elegant solution. |
| 21:42.04 | Cruciformer | kk thanks Torhal. Just wan to make sure I am not leaving behind anything that will slow anything down. |
| 21:42.13 | Thunder_Child | books are far more static than a camera |
| 21:42.27 | Torhal | You definitely don't want to CreateFrame() every time, because frames are never garbage collected |
| 21:42.36 | Cruciformer | I :Hide() it already, when done. I figure calling UnregisterAllEvents() cant hurt any either. |
| 21:42.48 | Cruciformer | No I onyl CreateFrame() once. |
| 21:43.09 | Torhal | Hiding it does the job, since hidden frames don't have OnUpdate processed (they're hidden, so don't need to be updated) |
| 21:46.17 | Lunessa | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc9_1245432261 - this has no right to be as funny as it is. |
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| 21:57.36 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPko-aXvJM << Too easily amused. |
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| 22:02.19 | tlund | i recently started using Bartender4, and now I am looking for an addon to replace my XP and REP bars. (bartender does not give me enoguh freedom, i can only change the scale). any suggestions? |
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| 22:05.19 | Lunessa | XP Bar None, XParky, Expertia |
| 22:06.23 | Lunessa | And... Ciao tuttui |
| 22:08.59 | kneeki | Hmm, is there a way to determine the amount of distance between one frame to another? |
| 22:10.05 | Mikk | Several. Your problem is the question "in which scale"? |
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| 22:12.59 | Mikk | kneeki: You want to check out frame:GetLeft(), :GetTop(), etc.. and frame:GetScale() as well as frame:GetEffectiveScale(9 |
| 22:13.03 | Mikk | And then apply some basic trig |
| 22:13.18 | kneeki | hmm |
| 22:13.24 | kneeki | I wish I was good at math =\ |
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| 22:21.39 | Aqua | what the command to pull up a reference to a lua command, like i want to know the syntax for the use of a for loop? |
| 22:21.47 | Aqua | is it luabot >? |
| 22:21.51 | jnwhiteh | no, that's how you run code |
| 22:21.56 | jnwhiteh | and syntax wouldn't be covered by an API definition |
| 22:22.04 | jnwhiteh | !api table.insert |
| 22:22.04 | kneeki | lua> print('yeeee!') |
| 22:22.04 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'table.insert' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-table.insert |
| 22:22.04 | lua_bot | kneeki: yeeee! |
| 22:22.05 | jnwhiteh | for example |
| 22:22.10 | kneeki | yeeee! |
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| 22:27.39 | art3mis | hrm |
| 22:28.04 | art3mis | wonder what's better 256ddr sideport HD 3300 or a 756mb ddr3 9600 GSO |
| 22:28.13 | art3mis | at 1920x1200 |
| 22:29.03 | netcurse | buy a new gen card |
| 22:29.08 | netcurse | ;p |
| 22:29.11 | art3mis | laugh |
| 22:29.32 | art3mis | well I have the 3300 onboard and it works nice but I have this brand new 9600 gso left over from a build for an office |
| 22:29.45 | netcurse | probably the 756 mb one tho |
| 22:29.46 | art3mis | wondering if its worth the hasle to actually put it in my machine |
| 22:29.53 | netcurse | as higher rez requiere more ram |
| 22:30.15 | Tepel | more ram requires 64-bit |
| 22:30.18 | art3mis | I bet win7 computer score will tell me! |
| 22:30.26 | art3mis | cuz its totally accurate n stuff |
| 22:30.42 | art3mis | if yer not running 64bit you need a new computer ;) |
| 22:30.55 | Tepel | as in 64-bit OS |
| 22:31.08 | art3mis | uh huh that's what I meant |
| 22:31.39 | art3mis | I picked up the most awesomeest laptop from work the other day |
| 22:32.13 | art3mis | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4400121&CatId=2289 |
| 22:32.19 | art3mis | that's my new lappy |
| 22:32.29 | art3mis | blu-ray + hdmi out |
| 22:32.41 | Tepel | Acer = Fail! |
| 22:32.55 | art3mis | you sound like my clueless co-workers ;) |
| 22:33.09 | Tepel | Well, I guess it depends on what you want to do with it |
| 22:33.16 | art3mis | acer is the 3rd largest manufacturer and the 2largest sales of note and netbooks |
| 22:33.34 | Tepel | Windows has the biggest market share, doesn't mean it's good |
| 22:33.48 | art3mis | actually I hate to say it but it kind of does |
| 22:33.53 | Tepel | But again, that's my opinion |
| 22:34.12 | Tepel | I pondered for 3 months until I settled on a Dell M1530 |
| 22:34.21 | art3mis | okay |
| 22:34.24 | art3mis | you bought a dell |
| 22:34.29 | art3mis | and you're saying acer is shite? |
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| 22:34.35 | art3mis | tsk tsk |
| 22:34.40 | Tepel | The only reasonably priced 15" laptop with a acceptable resolution |
| 22:35.37 | art3mis | so my 16" has better specs, better hardware, probably lower screen res, and probably cheaper |
| 22:35.40 | art3mis | and its fail? |
| 22:35.55 | Dagmar | Probably has a viewing angle of about ten degrees |
| 22:36.27 | Tepel | As I said, it depends on what you're using it for |
| 22:36.38 | Dewin | lua>t = { 1, 2, 3 }; print(unpack(t, 2, 1)) |
| 22:36.38 | lua_bot | Dewin: No output |
| 22:36.47 | Dewin | lua>t = { 1, 2, 3 }; print(unpack(t, 2, 2)) |
| 22:36.47 | lua_bot | Dewin: 2 |
| 22:37.06 | Dewin | Does lua_bot respond to private messages? |
| 22:37.06 | art3mis | nope acer crystalbrite(tm) is actually quite good |
| 22:37.18 | art3mis | even in direct sun |
| 22:37.29 | art3mis | and I've got a wireless signal range of about 40% at 150' |
| 22:37.57 | jadakren | lolol bigger market share just means the marketing execs are more aggresive. |
| 22:38.02 | jadakren | try again |
| 22:38.07 | art3mis | yeah |
| 22:38.13 | Tepel | Well, apart from the resolution it looks like a nice laptop |
| 22:38.17 | art3mis | it also means that for price and power its better ;) |
| 22:38.32 | Tepel | Although my CPU has the upper hand :P |
| 22:38.40 | art3mis | heh by what .4 ? ;) |
| 22:39.00 | Tepel | Not much, but a little :) |
| 22:39.25 | art3mis | heh |
| 22:39.30 | art3mis | what kind of life ya get? |
| 22:39.37 | Tepel | Bettery? |
| 22:39.40 | Tepel | Battery? |
| 22:39.42 | art3mis | yeah |
| 22:39.56 | Tepel | 6-cell, about 2 hours using the high performance profile |
| 22:40.03 | myrkraverk | is there a way to reset the location of ChatFrame1 without editing layout-local.txt ? |
| 22:40.34 | Cruciformer | myrkraverk: I assume you mean programatically? |
| 22:40.39 | myrkraverk | yes |
| 22:40.52 | art3mis | jada: so you're saying that marketing reps are better at acer than at lenovo and asus? |
| 22:41.03 | art3mis | heh yeah that's totally it |
| 22:41.03 | myrkraverk | I can clear everything in the UI, but I only want to reset its position |
| 22:41.33 | art3mis | if they were better acer would have better brand recog and wouldnt be a choice that only hardware nerds make ;) |
| 22:41.34 | myrkraverk | that is, I don't want to right click and reset all windows |
| 22:42.07 | art3mis | tepel: I tried to talk them into buying me a y650 but it was too much |
| 22:42.19 | art3mis | my boss has one though |
| 22:42.22 | Tepel | y650? |
| 22:42.31 | art3mis | if it had hdmi out and blu-ray it would be ubser sexy |
| 22:42.33 | art3mis | lenovo |
| 22:42.37 | Tepel | ohh |
| 22:42.37 | art3mis | 17" 5.5lbs |
| 22:42.59 | Tepel | I was looking for a Lenovo laptop at first |
| 22:43.05 | Tepel | But those things are too pricy |
| 22:43.06 | art3mis | I really like lenovos |
| 22:43.26 | art3mis | thier carbonite weave material make them the best business choice |
| 22:43.32 | Tepel | And the graphics card in them really sucks |
| 22:43.43 | Tepel | I wanted at least some graphical power |
| 22:44.05 | Tepel | And not some integrated intel card |
| 22:44.45 | Dagmar | You can buy carbon fiber wraps for the things |
| 22:44.49 | Tepel | :P |
| 22:44.57 | Dagmar | decalgirl.com has lots of that stuff |
| 22:46.01 | Cruciformer | myrkraverk: ResetChatWindows() ? |
| 22:46.07 | bleeter | Shirik: did you hear the one about the US side bug where a bunch of people converted to bnet and ended up with an EU BNet account? ... 28 page thread in CSF, I made it to about page 3 before the /facepalm'ing go to me |
| 22:46.35 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, thanks, will look |
| 22:47.50 | myrkraverk | nope, does not do what I'm after |
| 22:48.30 | Cruciformer | how about FCF_ResetChatWindows() |
| 22:49.38 | art3mis | I wish the next gen of netbooks would come out |
| 22:49.48 | art3mis | the ion platform looks sexy |
| 22:49.48 | jnwhiteh | i <3 my msi wind |
| 22:49.49 | jnwhiteh | with osx |
| 22:49.52 | art3mis | yeah |
| 22:49.53 | jnwhiteh | so nice |
| 22:49.59 | art3mis | wifey has a windu120 |
| 22:50.04 | art3mis | boss has a 100 |
| 22:50.13 | jnwhiteh | extra ram, broadcomm card |
| 22:50.15 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 22:50.15 | art3mis | I was debating getting a 115 |
| 22:50.20 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, testing |
| 22:50.26 | art3mis | but apperantly its linux unfriendly |
| 22:50.36 | art3mis | so I'm gonna wait for the u200 |
| 22:50.44 | art3mis | it has decent screen res |
| 22:51.22 | art3mis | the new acer on deck to replace the 751 looks pretty awesome too |
| 22:51.36 | art3mis | I just hate that all the us bound ones have the simcard part removed |
| 22:51.54 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, thanks, that does what I want (only I want to know if there are side effects I don't want) |
| 22:52.04 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, but I can test that myself; thank you very much |
| 22:52.38 | Cruciformer | myrkraverk: I'd look at the FrameXML code see exactly what its doing for an authorotative answer on that. For me, Idont like that it reset teh font size to 14. |
| 22:52.55 | myrkraverk | yes, am looking now |
| 22:53.17 | Aqua | ok basic question, how do i do this in lua: for int i = 0; i < 12; i++ |
| 22:53.19 | Cruciformer | its in FloatingChatFrame.lua if you dont know that already. |
| 22:53.37 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, yes, I have grep ;) |
| 22:53.46 | Cruciformer | aqua: for i in 1,10 do whatever end |
| 22:53.59 | Cruciformer | 1,12 I meant |
| 22:54.48 | Cruciformer | Beg pardon ... for i=1,12 do whatever end |
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| 22:55.35 | Cruciformer | I need a nap |
| 22:55.48 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, I'll be able to pick and choose from that function; thank you again ;) |
| 22:55.49 | Aqua | hmmm, see my problem is that i'm doing this: X = 12; for i = 1, x do whatever end |
| 22:56.00 | Cruciformer | myrkraverk: you're very welcome. |
| 22:56.19 | Cruciformer | Aqua: X ~= x |
| 22:56.19 | Aqua | pardon, ignore my cases |
| 22:56.25 | Cruciformer | ah. |
| 22:56.39 | Aqua | some how i'm ending up with it doing a 13th run |
| 22:56.41 | Aqua | and i can't figure it out |
| 22:57.42 | Aqua | whoops |
| 22:57.46 | Aqua | nevermind, I think i need the nap |
| 22:57.56 | Aqua | had a + 1 in there |
| 22:58.43 | Cruciformer | local x,str = 12,""; for i=1,x do str=str.."X"; end; print (str:len()) |
| 22:59.10 | Aqua | i figured it out with your help, thanks man |
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| 23:22.53 | _rane | any suggestions for an addon that shows item cooldowns? |
| 23:23.27 | _rane | I'm using CooldownWatch for abilities, but it's buggy and does not work properly with items |
| 23:23.37 | _rane | lovely addon though |
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| 23:41.32 | Mikk | OmniCC perhaps |
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