| 00:00.29 | kd3 | run glxinfo. getting any weird error messages there? |
| 00:01.24 | bleeter | think i might try a total rebuild before burying myself in wine debugging as that's going near X n stuff ugh |
| 00:01.29 | bleeter | glxinfo output http://bleeter.pastey.net/116227 |
| 00:01.39 | bleeter | cursory glance is it's perfectly sane |
| 00:01.50 | Xinhuan | time to add glxinfo to my list of ping ignores |
| 00:02.00 | kd3 | how the hell? |
| 00:02.07 | kd3 | oh, 'xin' |
| 00:02.12 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 00:02.39 | bleeter | time to say glxinfo once more before it hits the ignore |
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| 00:04.22 | bleeter | kd3: you can have my xpdyinfo as well, for all the good it'll do :P http://bleeter.pastey.net/116228 |
| 00:05.28 | kd3 | weird. does nvidia-settings pop up anything weird? |
| 00:05.47 | bleeter | you mean, spit stuff out to the terminal if I start it up? |
| 00:05.53 | bleeter | nope, no apparent errors |
| 00:07.48 | Dewin | wow, I've never had Lua come out looking like perl. |
| 00:07.51 | Dewin | local msg = #... .. "\t" .. table.concat(..., "\t") |
| 00:09.45 | Dewin | oh, that doesn't even work |
| 00:10.18 | kd3 | welp, sounds like perl to me |
| 00:10.26 | alestane | #... doesn't really work, you probably want select('#', ...) |
| 00:11.04 | Dewin | table.concat(..., "\t") doesn't work either |
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| 00:11.24 | drfuzzykins | ... isn't a table |
| 00:11.35 | drfuzzykins | so you can't treat it as one |
| 00:12.03 | bleeter | kd3: your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to try and get SC2 happening on Wine at BlizzCon ;) |
| 00:12.18 | alestane | One can, however, say string.join("\t", ...), at least in WoW. |
| 00:12.26 | kd3 | wahaha |
| 00:12.37 | Dewin | oh, that's probably what I'm looking for ;) |
| 00:12.45 | bleeter | kd3: I thought you'd like that :P |
| 00:12.53 | Dewin | that's... not in the lua manual though, interesting |
| 00:13.14 | drfuzzykins | it's not a built-in lua function |
| 00:13.28 | drfuzzykins | WoW defines a strjoin because it's in any sane language |
| 00:13.30 | bleeter | kd3: I might jsut be forced to go back to playing all these steam titled that just work ;) |
| 00:13.35 | bleeter | *titles |
| 00:15.10 | Dewin | Is there a string.split counterpart? I wrote my own but I imagine the wow one might be faster |
| 00:15.25 | Dewin | there is, yay. |
| 00:16.21 | alestane | string.split(separator, string) |
| 00:17.02 | Dewin | yeah, I discovered I could find the answer to that question easy enough. |
| 00:19.51 | Thunder_Child | blizz needs a merge groups option |
| 00:20.33 | drfuzzykins | take two parties and merge them into a single raid? |
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| 00:23.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: blizzard needs a 'do what i want' api method. :P |
| 00:23.40 | Thunder_Child | drfuzzykins, partys, raids, w/e |
| 00:23.52 | Thunder_Child | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:23.52 | purl | strangles NightHawkTheSane with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 00:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 00:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | er, :( |
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| 00:24.58 | bleeter | kd3: the only truly annoying part about reinstalling from the ground up, is anaconda's parted equiv. thinks I have 3 partitions on my ext4 drive, the 3rd being out of cylinder boundary foo and crashes |
| 00:25.20 | bleeter | kd3: course, there's only 1 partition on said drive so.. yeah. disconnect the power to that data drive during install! haha fail! |
| 00:25.27 | kd3 | eesh |
| 00:25.35 | Thunder_Child | dont lie NightHawkTheSane, you know you like asphyxiophilia |
| 00:26.41 | bleeter | kd3: I think the problem there may stem from it originally being a drive I pulled out of a dead iMac, I altered the partition table and not remove it. I suspect it's whatever apple used to put the table on that's causing the problem ;) |
| 00:27.21 | kd3 | indeed |
| 00:27.49 | bleeter | i saw some reports in bugzilla regarding pc98 tables... so... least I ahve a vague understanding what may be the issue there :) |
| 00:29.52 | Jiminizer | Is there someone who approves addons on curse here? I'm led to believe there is, and I just wanted to check there wasn't a problem with the one I uploaded |
| 00:38.47 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/the-caffeine-makes-us-clingy/2100 is why I could never work at a starbucks |
| 00:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | Because people are so stupid. |
| 00:39.48 | Lopeppeppy | I had one order a cappuchino once, tossed it back across the counter at me, it was too light. Turned out in the end what he wanted was a latte. I'm glad it was just a cappuchino he tossed. |
| 00:40.08 | Wobin | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 00:40.25 | Wobin | We should institute a "Hug Your Barista Day" |
| 00:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 00:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | hugs a random barista. |
| 00:41.09 | Wobin | One thing I can say about Australians... we -know- what coffee is what, cause we weren't taught by Starbucks =) |
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| 00:41.59 | Lopeppeppy | Amen to that. |
| 00:42.05 | Lopeppeppy | Anywho, night night normal people. |
| 00:42.47 | bleeter | Wobin: all hail the great flat white |
| 00:43.07 | kd3 | looks at his old starbucks hat |
| 00:43.07 | Wobin | speaking of which |
| 00:43.12 | Wobin | heads down to the coffee shop |
| 00:43.18 | bleeter | yar, i just noticed the empty coffee mug too |
| 00:43.22 | alestane | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070209 |
| 00:43.31 | bleeter | Wobin: get me a pie floater plskthxgo |
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| 00:44.23 | bleeter | omg so yummy looking http://images.google.com.au/images?q=pie+floater |
| 00:44.33 | kd3 | wtfs at that not always right post |
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| 00:51.46 | alestane | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070331 |
| 00:55.52 | electric_ | is there a way of adding '/w somename' into the chat editbox, so the user can type in a message to 'somename'? |
| 00:56.09 | Wobin | yes |
| 00:56.14 | Corrodias | i hear that's comedy, alestane |
| 00:56.18 | Wobin | have a look at the chatbox api |
| 00:56.29 | Wobin | meh, CAD has -some- funny |
| 00:56.39 | Wobin | it's just really -really- hard to find in all the dross |
| 00:56.43 | Wobin | and angst |
| 00:56.48 | Wobin | and terrible terrible drama |
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| 00:58.52 | electric_ | Wobin: i cant seem to find any info on that (on wowwiki atlest) :/ |
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| 01:01.54 | Wobin | electric_: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#EditBox |
| 01:02.04 | Wobin | apply those functions to the chatwindow edit box |
| 01:02.11 | bleeter | Wobin: where's my chicken curry floater????? |
| 01:02.25 | electric_ | ah i see, i was seaching for 'chatbox' :P |
| 01:02.27 | electric_ | thank you |
| 01:02.28 | bleeter | kd3: ping |
| 01:02.37 | kd3 | pong |
| 01:03.47 | Wobin | it'd take too long to get to Harry's |
| 01:04.00 | Wobin | and I can't see any way to send it to you =( |
| 01:04.08 | Wobin | Courier would have it cold before it got there |
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| 01:09.40 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, it's totally lame that 'The Menagerie' is totally just 'The Cage' with a bit of wrapper episode around it, and split into two parts. |
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| 01:20.39 | Ackis | hai guys http://www.worldotvvarcraft.com/Starcraft2-Beta/Index.html <-- they want my password!!! roflz |
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| 01:29.21 | NightHawkTheSane | 'worldotvvarcraft'? lol |
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| 01:37.17 | AbsolutRayne | Yay my guild died. |
| 01:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay. |
| 01:37.51 | widgertick | Boo. |
| 01:38.46 | Codayus | :-( |
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| 01:49.01 | AbsolutRayne | Oh well |
| 01:49.07 | AbsolutRayne | Gives me more time to screw with my UI |
| 01:49.13 | bleeter | Wobin: damn you and your lack of chicken floater supply |
| 01:49.34 | bleeter | *curry chicken, what's more |
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| 02:06.05 | Adys | The best, thing, ever |
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| 02:06.08 | Adys | in salty food |
| 02:06.14 | Adys | is cooked roquefort in anything |
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| 02:20.45 | Kraps | whats mozilla's irc address? |
| 02:21.27 | Kraps | i'm having a firefox problem |
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| 02:23.16 | kd3 | irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox |
| 02:24.07 | Kraps | ty |
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| 02:45.56 | Wobin | >< at abtrusegoose |
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| 03:14.20 | bleeter | Wobin: "While the average person in Australia drinks 9.83 litres of pure alcohol a year, Territorians consume an average 14.5 litres per person..." http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/18/2601511.htm |
| 03:14.37 | bleeter | "We even beat the Irish and the Czechs, who only drink about 13 litres of pure alcohol a year," |
| 03:14.41 | bleeter | haha |
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| 03:51.52 | NeoTron | Ackis: sweet |
| 03:52.05 | NeoTron | Ackis: because naturally they would use worldotvvarcraft for the sc2 beta! |
| 03:52.47 | AnduinLothar | spent all night on mim last week. 1 shot him tonight. gg |
| 03:55.17 | Zyndrome | hardmode? :p |
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| 03:55.48 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 03:55.55 | AnduinLothar | 2nd kill :P |
| 03:56.17 | Zyndrome | bleh |
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| 04:05.10 | Shirij | peggle is boring |
| 04:05.13 | Shirij | too easy |
| 04:06.42 | Fisker | hates Shirik |
| 04:07.05 | Fisker | herrow Shirik |
| 04:07.41 | AnduinLothar | yeah it does need more challenge |
| 04:07.45 | Fisker | 3.2 raid so boring they have to make 5 instances out of it |
| 04:09.23 | Fisker | good job confusing the shit out of people though |
| 04:11.35 | AbsolutRayne | People that reserve things generally dont bother me, but when they reserve something totally stupid, like the Bag from OS, I cant help but laugh. |
| 04:12.26 | Thunder_Child | shirij? |
| 04:14.01 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.02 | kd3 | then wouldn't it be shiriq? |
| 04:15.45 | Nechckn | nah.. that's if he gets selected for "Next Top Fashion Designer" |
| 04:16.54 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 04:17.19 | kd3 | now fisk-fisk... didn't mommy tell you there are some things you don't need to say out loud? |
| 04:17.58 | Fisker | Actually she said i had to say that out loud |
| 04:18.01 | Fisker | so i could get halp |
| 04:18.16 | rapidgame | is there any way to get the achievement ID when CHAT_MSG_GUILD_ACHIEVEMENT fires? |
| 04:23.03 | Arrowmaster | parse it from the args |
| 04:24.26 | rapidgame | as in arg1 |
| 04:24.27 | rapidgame | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.38 | rapidgame | so i would have to search thru the whole message for the id (which will be inside the link)? |
| 04:41.04 | Shadowed | just do string.match(msg, "achievement:(%d+)") |
| 04:41.35 | Shadowed | er |
| 04:41.35 | Shadowed | |Hachievement:([0-9]+):(.+)|h |
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| 05:32.43 | Shirik | does shaving cream freeze? |
| 05:33.22 | Spellbinder | yes |
| 05:33.36 | Shirik | someone told me to freeze a shaving can for a week, then peel off the metal |
| 05:33.41 | Shirik | then leave it somewhere and watch it expand |
| 05:33.46 | Spellbinder | :D |
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| 05:56.10 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: sounds like one of the many pranks my uncle did in highschool |
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| 06:28.56 | msou| | Morning. |
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| 06:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: do so, inside a car |
| 06:41.05 | zenzio | jesus, the PETA has a problem with Obama killing a fly? |
| 06:42.14 | Arrowmaster | seriously? |
| 06:42.17 | AnduinLothar | http://www.sermonsfromthebed.com/images/earlyromance/image043.jpg |
| 06:42.22 | zenzio | apparently so Arrowmaster |
| 06:44.39 | bleeter | zenzio: someone needs to tell PETA about the billions of microbes they kill every time they open and close their mouth |
| 06:44.45 | bleeter | mouths |
| 06:44.48 | zenzio | haha |
| 06:44.57 | msou| | Any dks here? |
| 06:47.01 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/827151/peta-wishes-obama-hadnt-swatted-fly |
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| 06:49.58 | Wobin | ugh |
| 06:50.08 | Wobin | this DK did 740dps in this heroic |
| 06:50.19 | msou| | That's horrible isn't it? |
| 06:50.22 | Wobin | then rolled need on spellpower plate |
| 06:50.27 | msou| | Haha |
| 06:50.58 | Wobin | I can do 740 with autoshot |
| 06:51.08 | msou| | I placed 3rd in Naxx yesterday and yet they said "you're suspended from doing raids for 2 weeks" because I asked about dps meter and need to "know" tacs more. |
| 06:51.10 | Wobin | even most facerolling DKs can do better than that |
| 06:51.40 | msou| | The main reason I think is because I don't go along with few players in the guid. and I'm not sure if I should stay in the guild or leave. |
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| 06:54.21 | zenzio | msou|: guilds are very hit-and-miss. If you don't seem to get along with people, look elsewhere |
| 06:55.16 | msou| | zenzio: Yeah I might do that to be honest.. the type that gives items to friends first players later even if you play with the crappiest shoulder etc |
| 06:55.17 | mikma | wobin: we saw dk doing 300 dps at level 78 |
| 06:55.47 | msou| | mikma: I used to be horrible but I read/asked/learnt. =) |
| 06:56.14 | mikma | msou|: i bet you still weren't that horrible. it was ranged dk .. |
| 06:56.26 | msou| | shrugs |
| 06:57.02 | msou| | zenzio: The funny part is you place 3rd and they come up with silly reasons i.e. you gotta know more tacs |
| 06:57.11 | msou| | Was second at some point but anyway |
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| 06:57.28 | zenzio | msou|: people in WoW are still people; meaning you can still end up with asshats and idiots |
| 06:57.33 | msou| | I think I'll do what you suggested or talk to them about it and if they don't listen well I'll walk away |
| 06:57.57 | msou| | zenzio: so true.. did I tell you one dude asked for my stats for TFA daily? |
| 06:58.01 | msou| | I laughed hard |
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| 06:59.06 | zenzio | there seems to be some obsession with stats and achievements among PUGs |
| 06:59.06 | msou| | Now I need to look for a macro and see what other dks do |
| 06:59.06 | msou| | OH YEAH |
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| 06:59.09 | msou| | I swear this achievement thingie is so silly... I do understand it to some extent like not getting someone who gets the whole raid wiped out |
| 06:59.52 | msou| | but stats and achievement for everything is kinda silly.. all started from somewhere and if I was the one who's inviting.. don't care about achievement I'd explain tacs anyway before anymore wouldn't cost me a thing |
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| 06:59.53 | zenzio | unskilled people can still get many achievements, even hard ones, if they're lucky; so it's a silly way to screen players |
| 07:00.04 | msou| | true |
| 07:01.11 | msou| | it's a lot easier to throw the blame on someone else |
| 07:01.28 | msou| | yesterday I died at that boss I cannot remmeber his name in naxx |
| 07:01.36 | msou| | that green thingie comes outta the ground |
| 07:01.43 | Koren | Heigan |
| 07:01.47 | msou| | died at the near end |
| 07:02.39 | msou| | 1 healer paladin and one priest |
| 07:02.55 | msou| | I think it should be 3 healers for naxx10 |
| 07:03.04 | msou| | might be diff tacs or somesuch |
| 07:03.20 | msou| | and to be honest with you, I don't trust paladins as healers don't ask why |
| 07:07.13 | msou| | lets see how it goes fo the next few days not going to ask them to do raids... I signed up for naxx and uldu by monday/tuesday if I don't get invited I'll leave |
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| 07:19.11 | msou| | brb |
| 07:19.31 | Wobin | for heigan, there should be very little raid damage aside from the disease |
| 07:19.41 | Wobin | if you're getting hit by the green, it's your fault =) |
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| 07:20.08 | zenzio | yup; barring bad lag, you should figure it out pretty fast |
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| 07:29.08 | ReAn | there we go |
| 07:29.23 | ReAn | time to see if minion blasts my dev version/repo |
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| 07:32.38 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Shirik |
| 07:33.07 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 07:33.07 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:33.13 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Shirik |
| 07:33.17 | Thunder_Child | ~poke |
| 07:33.21 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 07:33.27 | haste | ~spam Thunder_Child |
| 07:33.35 | Thunder_Child | see |
| 07:35.00 | Thunder_Child | "This raid dungeon will have four different versions: 10-player, 25-player, 10-player Heroic, and 25-player Heroic, with each one using a separate lockout." thats nice |
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| 07:35.59 | VonhintenHOME` | cool, 10 player heroic... no idea |
| 07:36.02 | VonhintenHOME` | new idea, that is |
| 07:36.28 | Thunder_Child | well the seperate lockout thing is what i was pointing out |
| 07:37.04 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah |
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| 07:38.30 | ReAn | what's new TC? |
| 07:38.52 | Thunder_Child | ReAn, in regards to what? |
| 07:38.58 | ReAn | anything |
| 07:39.00 | ReAn | what's up |
| 07:39.03 | ReAn | what's shaking? |
| 07:39.28 | Thunder_Child | the earth |
| 07:39.52 | Thunder_Child | thats what i get for signing up for emails from the usgs |
| 07:41.32 | ReAn | usgs? |
| 07:42.22 | Thunder_Child | United States Geological Survey |
| 07:42.28 | ReAn | O.O |
| 07:42.47 | Thunder_Child | spicificly the Earthquake Notification Service |
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| 08:05.37 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/17/funny-pictures-concept-of-personal-space/ |
| 08:08.50 | ReAn | hrm |
| 08:09.08 | ReAn | minion isn't showing an entry for my mod, i hope that's because it detected it's a development version >_> |
| 08:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Which mod? |
| 08:13.00 | ReAn | RuneWatch |
| 08:13.09 | ReAn | havent searched it yet |
| 08:13.14 | ReAn | but it's not in my list of installed |
| 08:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You have it under version control? |
| 08:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (subversion? git?) |
| 08:13.29 | ReAn | yar, git |
| 08:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be why |
| 08:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It ignores the addon if it finds those folders |
| 08:13.45 | ReAn | minion auto-ignores anything w/ .cvs / .svn / .git? |
| 08:13.50 | ReAn | excelent :) |
| 08:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Aye |
| 08:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No way of accidently nuking dev files that way |
| 08:14.20 | ReAn | i pushed to my remote before i installed |
| 08:14.31 | ReAn | that's nice, but i think ima add an improvement ticket |
| 08:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hm? |
| 08:14.58 | ScytheBlade1 | To improve what exactly? :) |
| 08:15.43 | ReAn | id be nice for it to add it to the list (recognized) but flag it as never update (ignore always), also knowing what version MMOUI tracks is nice, just so that i dont have to nuke my dev folder just to see if everything is sound w/ the world |
| 08:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That information should be contained within the log file |
| 08:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It details the scanning results of every addon, and what it decided to do with it |
| 08:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You should have a line in the log saying something to the effect of "dev version detected, ignoring" |
| 08:17.19 | ReAn | where is the log kept? |
| 08:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | What OS? |
| 08:17.53 | ReAn | win7 |
| 08:17.58 | ReAn | so basically winvista |
| 08:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | %appdata%\mmoui |
| 08:18.07 | ScytheBlade1 | In there somewhere |
| 08:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24088 for specifics |
| 08:18.35 | ReAn | still |
| 08:18.38 | ReAn | i dunno |
| 08:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Feel free to ticket it |
| 08:19.11 | ReAn | digging through the logs isn't my idea of ease of use, like i said i was just gonna ticket it, it's up to Shirik / devs to implement if they care |
| 08:19.12 | ScytheBlade1 | There are other more pressing matters (like me getting my netbeans fully functional so I can actually fix/build/debug it..) |
| 08:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | atm, I'm the only other person with access to minion's source :) |
| 08:19.35 | ScytheBlade1 | (At least I think, dolby might have it) |
| 08:19.36 | ReAn | :) |
| 08:19.55 | ReAn | dolby prolly would be able to get access in a snap if he dosen't already |
| 08:19.56 | ScytheBlade1 | By all means, ticket away |
| 08:20.07 | ReAn | is a huge advocate of ticket systems :) |
| 08:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The source is actually hosted elsewhere, away from dolby's administrative powers ;) |
| 08:20.26 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:20.34 | ReAn | which vcs? |
| 08:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that doing so was the intent, but just how it happened |
| 08:20.39 | ReAn | svn? |
| 08:20.40 | ReAn | git? |
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| 08:20.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish @ git |
| 08:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~glare Shirik |
| 08:20.56 | ReAn | yea, git is win |
| 08:21.09 | ReAn | i do everything in git now |
| 08:21.17 | ReAn | in fact >_> i dont even have svn installed atm :p |
| 08:21.58 | ReAn | ScytheBlade1: would that be under the MMOUI Module, or under the update dispatcher for the project? |
| 08:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly are you looking to suggest? |
| 08:22.25 | Sixen | Hai sob |
| 08:22.26 | Sixen | sbo* |
| 08:22.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Additional info for addon developers? |
| 08:22.39 | ReAn | that dev mobs are listed in the main lists but not availiable for update |
| 08:22.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: i h8 u 2 |
| 08:22.46 | Sixen | y so |
| 08:22.49 | ReAn | locked out per-say |
| 08:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm no sob :( |
| 08:22.53 | Sixen | Because I go afk for months? |
| 08:22.54 | Sixen | Oh |
| 08:22.55 | Sixen | :( |
| 08:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly I'm not sure yet how all the components fit together - I'm still working on getting netbeans working |
| 08:23.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd go with minion core |
| 08:23.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 08:23.58 | ReAn | GUI section? |
| 08:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 08:24.06 | ReAn | seems where everyone is dumping stuff |
| 08:24.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd do |
| 08:24.11 | ReAn | it can be reassigned later anyway |
| 08:24.20 | ReAn | i recognize this ticketing tool |
| 08:24.21 | ReAn | :p |
| 08:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Mantis is a nice piece of software |
| 08:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I like bugzilla for various things, but no real complaints with mantis |
| 08:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | also |
| 08:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: hai |
| 08:25.27 | ReAn | i just wish bugzilla would get ported to php :p |
| 08:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 08:25.35 | ReAn | isn't a fan of cgi/perl |
| 08:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a *lot* of code to port to php |
| 08:25.42 | ReAn | i know |
| 08:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Like an absurd amount of code to.. "port" |
| 08:25.49 | Sixen | =] |
| 08:26.02 | ReAn | ok |
| 08:26.05 | ReAn | let me rephrase |
| 08:26.10 | ReAn | i wish it was re-written |
| 08:26.15 | ReAn | :) |
| 08:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd work better |
| 08:26.26 | ReAn | that's really what i meant |
| 08:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, who wants to write a rar extractor in java for me? |
| 08:28.15 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 08:28.22 | ReAn | hrm |
| 08:28.27 | widgertick | "a rar extractor in java" |
| 08:28.37 | ReAn | :p |
| 08:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: it is what it is |
| 08:28.59 | ScytheBlade1 | As painful as it would be, it probably needs doing eventually |
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| 08:29.38 | ReAn | ScytheBlade1: there's a Java RAR Library avail under GPL |
| 08:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: ... you volunteering? :) |
| 08:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ReAn: minion isn't GPL |
| 08:29.54 | ReAn | yea |
| 08:29.56 | ReAn | >_> |
| 08:29.57 | ReAn | i know |
| 08:30.06 | ReAn | *shakes fist @ lack of LGPL* |
| 08:30.41 | widgertick | ScytheBlade1: This for minion? |
| 08:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 08:31.06 | ReAn | i might be interested ScytheBlade1 if i can find information on RAR file format :p |
| 08:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to comb through log files to find out how many bugs are because of this, but I suspect at least a couple |
| 08:31.45 | ScytheBlade1 | One for certain |
| 08:33.41 | ReAn | well ScytheBlade1 |
| 08:34.31 | ReAn | http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarsrc-3.9.4.tar.gz <--- portable c++ code released under a freeware licence i believe is at least compatible w/ minions licence (i'd have to look into it more) but at least this code could be used for a better understanding of the rar format >_> |
| 08:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a rar spec out there somewhere under liberal enough licensing terms |
| 08:35.14 | ReAn | iirc |
| 08:35.36 | ReAn | RAR is licenced so anyone can read it, but you need a licence to create them in your software |
| 08:36.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll look into it more later, I'm sure |
| 08:36.53 | ReAn | http://pastie.org/516128 |
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| 08:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a pretty nasty clause |
| 08:37.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Great for me |
| 08:37.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Nasty in general though |
| 08:37.46 | ReAn | yea |
| 08:37.54 | ReAn | 'fuck you... unless you just wanna extract' |
| 08:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | more or less |
| 08:38.28 | ReAn | which frankly is all we wanna do |
| 08:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, this naseua/cold sweats/hot flashes/throbbing, light sensitive migraine is finally subsiding |
| 08:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I may be able to sleep now! |
| 08:38.53 | ScytheBlade1 | So I shall try |
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| 08:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case, ReAn, feel free to ticket liberally, but do keep in mind that Minion could use a lot of work right now in general :) |
| 08:40.00 | ReAn | ScytheBlade1, most of my tickets are marked low priority |
| 08:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | shrugs |
| 08:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll adjust what I feel needs adjusting in the morning ;) |
| 08:40.19 | ReAn | Im a relatively experienced software developer, i know when something is 'severe' |
| 08:40.28 | ReAn | and when it is not |
| 08:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 08:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to sleep |
| 08:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: that "write me a rar extractor" was mostly in jest, but I wouldn't turn things away if for some reason you have nothing to do with your spare time.. but I suspect you do ;) |
| 08:41.22 | ScytheBlade1 | poofs |
| 08:42.35 | ReAn | is genuinely interested |
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| 09:28.16 | Cruciformer | hello everyone |
| 09:28.44 | zenzio | heya |
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| 09:36.08 | ReAn | hello Cruciformer :) |
| 09:36.12 | ReAn | is in a good mood |
| 09:36.38 | Cruciformer | Me too ... this first cup of morning cofeee is yummy as hell :) |
| 09:36.45 | ReAn | lol |
| 09:37.07 | ReAn | im happy cuz im about to release a new version u.u not much is new, but it's more of a feature test than anything :) |
| 09:37.19 | Cruciformer | I had to do a bit of a double take with your name tho. My IRL name is Kean and with my blurry eyes i thought I was greeting myself |
| 09:37.42 | ReAn | anyone know an addon that let's me load/unload addons on the fly (by use of a console/reloadui of course) |
| 09:38.05 | ReAn | id like to be able to check/uncheck mods and /reload |
| 09:38.11 | ReAn | i know it's supported |
| 09:38.13 | Torhal|Sleep | ReAn: ACP or Ampere. |
| 09:38.18 | ReAn | ACP? |
| 09:38.24 | Torhal|Sleep | Addon Control Panel |
| 09:38.31 | Torhal|Sleep | actually goes to sleep, for real. |
| 09:38.40 | ReAn | which would you reccomend Torhal|Sleep? |
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| 09:43.40 | Elkano | I use Ampere but well ^^ can't say which one is 'better' |
| 09:43.48 | ReAn | *shrug* |
| 09:43.54 | ReAn | Couldn't find ACP on minion |
| 09:43.59 | ReAn | so ampere it is |
| 09:44.59 | ReAn | sup Elkano? |
| 09:45.13 | Elkano | soup? |
| 09:45.37 | Cruciformer | anyone know if there is a place on wowace I can view svn commit logs to see whats changed? |
| 09:45.55 | Elkano | just look at the latest download file in case alphas are packed |
| 09:47.20 | ReAn | Cruciformer: they're auto-generated in the 'changelog' |
| 09:47.24 | Cruciformer | nah what I forgot to do was an svn diff before I updated, and a bunch of things were updated and I want to see what |
| 09:47.27 | ReAn | a repo browser is in the 'works' |
| 09:47.32 | ReAn | from what i hear |
| 09:47.53 | ReAn | the repos are public tho |
| 09:47.59 | ReAn | check it out and review the logs |
| 09:49.25 | Cruciformer | the "changelog" is only generated in packs its not present in the actual contents of an svn checkout. but I can just "svn log" the files, no biggie. |
| 09:49.59 | ReAn | ah |
| 09:50.01 | ReAn | it used to be |
| 09:50.10 | ReAn | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/runewatch/files/31-v1-2-3/ for example |
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| 09:51.50 | Cruciformer | man there is one thing that has longfrustrated me with svn ... and it STILL hasnt been fixed. It doesnt preserve file modification times. |
| 09:52.02 | ReAn | wowace? |
| 09:52.08 | Cruciformer | trashing file metadadta like that is terribad imho |
| 09:53.09 | ReAn | Cruciformer in the case of git |
| 09:53.13 | ReAn | there are no such things as files |
| 09:53.17 | ReAn | only diffs |
| 09:53.19 | ReAn | and entities |
| 09:53.29 | ReAn | entities are dynamically generated by diffs |
| 09:53.44 | ReAn | so most of that meta data is a bit redundant |
| 09:53.52 | Cruciformer | doesn't matter, any scm should preserve metadata like file creation and modification time. |
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| 09:54.03 | ReAn | or populate it logically |
| 09:54.15 | ReAn | i.e. modification date = date of last diff |
| 09:54.22 | ReAn | and creation date as first diff |
| 09:54.23 | ReAn | yea |
| 09:54.30 | Cruciformer | ls -lt is a very useful tool and stripping the metadata renders that useless |
| 09:54.31 | ReAn | but frankly the info is availiable |
| 09:54.48 | ReAn | i thought svn worked almost wholly off modification dates and shit |
| 09:54.54 | ReAn | so shouldn't it preserve them? |
| 09:55.01 | Cruciformer | nope |
| 09:55.17 | Cruciformer | it will set the files to the date the repo was created or updated |
| 09:55.24 | ReAn | doh |
| 09:56.00 | Cruciformer | but when I am done with my wow mod and get back to my own scm ... it will fix that :P |
| 10:01.56 | ReAn | you're making a scm? |
| 10:02.09 | Cruciformer | sure am |
| 10:02.55 | Cruciformer | been a backburner project for years. now that i have so much time on my hands bringing it to the front burner |
| 10:03.19 | ReAn | well good luck man |
| 10:03.37 | Cruciformer | ty :) |
| 10:04.01 | ReAn | what's special about it that sets it apart from the rest? or is it really just a PoC project you plan to take to fruition? |
| 10:04.41 | Cruciformer | it has a couple of things different, many of them in the implementation rather than than functionality, but it has a few things like embedded linked repositories |
| 10:05.08 | Cruciformer | so inside repo X, the "directory" /usr/src/something could really be a totally different external repo |
| 10:05.30 | ReAn | so kinda like a not-made-of-fail svn:externals |
| 10:05.31 | ReAn | ? |
| 10:05.47 | Cruciformer | I know not of svn:externals |
| 10:06.00 | ReAn | Subversion allows you to specify externals |
| 10:06.09 | ReAn | say my folder /project is a SVN repo |
| 10:06.26 | Cruciformer | and it will fetch and manage them correctly? even if they are not svn repos? |
| 10:06.47 | ReAn | i can set a param on it called svn:externals and put libs/Ace3 svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/ace3 |
| 10:07.09 | ReAn | and it'll check out that svn repo into /project/libs/Ace3 |
| 10:07.15 | ReAn | and update etc... |
| 10:07.19 | ReAn | but it's slow and clunky |
| 10:07.34 | Cruciformer | k thats neat. I had that idea for mine about 4 years ago :P |
| 10:07.40 | ReAn | svn only supports other svn repos atm |
| 10:07.56 | ReAn | great for sub-components |
| 10:08.00 | ReAn | or libraries |
| 10:08.03 | Cruciformer | but mine allows you to specify a repo format, and if you have compiled in the correct support, it will get svn, git, or cvs repos |
| 10:08.13 | Arrowmaster | Cruciformer: git already does that |
| 10:08.15 | ReAn | i prefer the .pkgmeta approach tho |
| 10:08.22 | ReAn | cuz you can specify things like latest tag |
| 10:08.23 | ReAn | :) |
| 10:08.48 | Cruciformer | anyway I am doing it to keep my C skills sharp now that I am not being paid to code :) |
| 10:08.48 | Arrowmaster | git submodules specificly |
| 10:09.08 | Cruciformer | not trying to change the scm world or anything. |
| 10:09.31 | ReAn | Arrowmaster: I haven't looked into submodules too much, but i remember when i was setting up my project's repo in git i was weined off them cuz of some reason i can't recall atm |
| 10:09.52 | Arrowmaster | if you want to keep you C skills sharp then do something more productive, go learn git really really well then help with libgit2 |
| 10:10.16 | Arrowmaster | ReAn: wowace/curseforge packager doesnt support them |
| 10:10.27 | Cruciformer | what license does git use? |
| 10:10.39 | Arrowmaster | gpl i think |
| 10:10.41 | ReAn | gpl i think |
| 10:10.45 | Cruciformer | if its any flavour of gpl I wont touch it |
| 10:10.51 | Cruciformer | there u go then. |
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| 10:10.59 | Arrowmaster | pff |
| 10:11.00 | ReAn | http://git-scm.com/ |
| 10:11.08 | ReAn | why not Cruciformer? |
| 10:11.28 | Cruciformer | Im a bsd/apache kinda guy. |
| 10:11.46 | ReAn | oh ffs |
| 10:12.13 | ReAn | *nix epeen wagging, seriously, why can't BSD/Unix/Linux people all get along |
| 10:12.18 | Cruciformer | just my personal taste, dont want to get into license wars. |
| 10:12.35 | ReAn | Cruciformer, all i know is |
| 10:12.42 | ReAn | the linux kernel source is tracked under git now |
| 10:12.53 | ReAn | if they're using it... it must be at least some kind of awesome |
| 10:12.59 | ReAn | i <3 it personally |
| 10:13.11 | Cruciformer | the scm they use has no bearing on my dislike of the license :) |
| 10:13.14 | Arrowmaster | because git was specificly written by linus to track the linux kernel |
| 10:13.27 | Cruciformer | plus its their choice, I dont try to dictate other's choices, I just make my own. |
| 10:14.08 | ReAn | frankly this is the problem that plagues the *nix source |
| 10:14.09 | ReAn | er |
| 10:14.11 | ReAn | *nix world |
| 10:15.01 | ReAn | "I don't like <insert FOSS project here>'s ways/licence/leader, ill make my own product further expanding the dependancy clusterfuck that all *nix is" |
| 10:15.13 | ReAn | it's probably precisely why linux is so far behind as a desktop environment |
| 10:15.37 | Cruciformer | I really dont think you can blame that on licensing |
| 10:15.45 | ReAn | you're doing it right now |
| 10:15.48 | Cruciformer | that has more to do with a lack of focused development efforts |
| 10:15.53 | ReAn | you wont touch git cuz it's got a gpl licence |
| 10:16.04 | Cruciformer | I am writing my scm for entirely different reasons |
| 10:16.11 | ReAn | that's besides the point |
| 10:16.21 | ReAn | im not talking about you writing anything at this point |
| 10:16.41 | Cruciformer | I have contributed plenty to gpl projects like emacs, xemacs, gcc, gdb etc |
| 10:17.08 | Cruciformer | (in fact I may still be the offical maintainter of the *blech* SCO port of gcc) |
| 10:17.21 | ReAn | well regardless, my point was generic, that's what i see in the *nix community, and it's why i don't use it except for servers |
| 10:19.23 | Cruciformer | there have been very few cases where license issues have caused any serious fracturing of projects. xfree86/xorg was one notable exception. |
| 10:21.25 | Cruciformer | personality issues are different ... I think MANY people would have liked to fracture glibc because working with Uli Drepper is ... well, its the coding equivalent of a frontal lobotomy sans anaesthetic |
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| 10:31.21 | Arrowmaster | Cruciformer: already happened, debian is using eglibc |
| 10:31.43 | Cruciformer | it was inevitable |
| 10:33.09 | Arrowmaster | mainly over his refusal to fix stuff for arch |
| 10:35.07 | Cruciformer | I once got into a huge mailwar with uli about changes he made to malloc() and friends. he changed the ABI and made it impossible to create replacement functions for them. It wasnt pretty. |
| 10:43.53 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: the "famous" Uli Drepper attitude: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980 |
| 10:44.17 | Arrowmaster | ive seen that one |
| 10:44.28 | Cruciformer | bit of an eye-opener isnt it? |
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| 10:48.58 | Adys | Cruciformer: since you contributed to gcc |
| 10:48.59 | Adys | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25509 |
| 10:49.09 | Adys | fix this, it's pissing the fuck out of everyone |
| 10:49.26 | Adys | its only matter of adding a -Wno-unused-results flag |
| 10:50.17 | Cruciformer | unfortunately my commit access is restricted to the SCO port stuff ... everything else I have to go through the same process any anyone else :/ |
| 10:50.37 | Adys | i dont know, do something, sort it out |
| 10:50.42 | Adys | its open since 2005 |
| 10:51.04 | Arrowmaster | "This is a glibc bug and not a GCC bug then." |
| 10:51.09 | Adys | no |
| 10:51.21 | Adys | gcc should add a -Wno-unused-results |
| 10:51.31 | Adys | glibc is taking the piss in doing what they do |
| 10:51.37 | Adys | but gcc should still add that |
| 10:52.04 | Adys | its a bunch of people catfighting over "its not our fault, duhhhhhhhh" on both sides |
| 10:54.40 | Cruciformer | Seems like an easy enough fix. And I agree with one of the comments that any trivial warning should have a -Wno-whatever to disable it |
| 10:55.15 | ZorbaTHut | I think gcc in general needs a pretty major redesign of its warnings. very, very often I've wanted to be able to promote specific warnings to errors and suppress others |
| 10:55.42 | ZorbaTHut | any kind of unified warning system would provide that, but instead they have dozens of flags to disable/enable very specific warnings that certain people care enough about to add flags for |
| 10:56.02 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: You have NO idea how hard I tried to get some form of #pragma warning control into gcc. |
| 10:56.19 | ZorbaTHut | cruci, fingers crossed for it in llvm/clang, at least ;) |
| 10:56.25 | Cruciformer | I spent about 3 hours debating it at a gcc summit |
| 10:56.35 | ZorbaTHut | what was their excuse for not providing it? |
| 10:56.53 | Adys | "hi im a dev and i dont want more work" |
| 10:56.54 | Cruciformer | some people are just plain alergic to #pragma, for no particularly good reason other than they just are. |
| 10:57.10 | ZorbaTHut | I'd be okay with commandline arguments too :P |
| 10:57.29 | Cruciformer | I really like the way both Microsoft VC and AIX's xlc allow you fine grained control of warnings |
| 10:59.12 | Cruciformer | IIRC xlc even has a rationalised way of numbering warnings and you can turn off/on whole swaths of warnings using number wildcards. |
| 10:59.12 | ZorbaTHut | classy |
| 10:59.12 | Cruciformer | The main opponent to the #pragma thing was some guy from code sourcery ... not Mark ... he's an easy going guy ... but I forget who. |
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| 11:00.10 | Cruciformer | but I had ian taylor and diego novillo convinced, and thats good enough for me. |
| 11:00.21 | Arrowmaster | you know there are very good reasons i try to avoid professional coding at all costs |
| 11:00.54 | Cruciformer | ian taylor is one of the nicest human being you'll ever meet, and quite frankly the single most talented programmer Ive every encountered. |
| 11:01.10 | Cruciformer | *ever |
| 11:01.41 | Cruciformer | brb caffeination time |
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| 11:06.08 | Aelobin | rawr |
| 11:06.20 | Cruciformer | I love rawr |
| 11:06.37 | Cruciformer | very well written |
| 11:08.11 | Wobin | http://layar.eu/ |
| 11:08.16 | Wobin | interesting |
| 11:08.26 | Wobin | (if only the model in the demo didn't shake so much =P) |
| 11:10.31 | Cruciformer | speaking of mobiles, anyone running iphone os 3 yet? |
| 11:11.18 | Kalroth | who goes shopping houses by visiting a random part of town, that's so useless :p |
| 11:12.01 | ReAn | hey ZorbaTHut, you still lurking? |
| 11:12.24 | Cruciformer | he doesnt so much lurk as skalk :) |
| 11:12.28 | ZorbaTHut | rean, always |
| 11:12.43 | ReAn | Curious, did you know QH explodes original wow? |
| 11:12.45 | Cruciformer | (or is that skulk) |
| 11:12.58 | ReAn | i.e. no expansions installed |
| 11:13.12 | ZorbaTHut | I know it detonates badly on the streaming trial client, but I've never tried it on pure original WoW |
| 11:13.26 | ZorbaTHut | from what I hear, the streaming client is weird anyway |
| 11:13.27 | ReAn | it's an access violation |
| 11:13.33 | ReAn | yea, it's a pos |
| 11:14.01 | ReAn | we had an interesting morning the other day |
| 11:14.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, same thing as the streaming client, I'm gonna guess. Honestly, I don't feel like trying to track down crashes that could be basically anywhere - if I could get a useful error message, sure, but I can't. So I'm blaming that one on Blizzard. ;) |
| 11:14.16 | ReAn | :p |
| 11:14.29 | ReAn | i thought perhaps you were using a tbc/lk resource? |
| 11:14.52 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible, but I can't think of any offhand - QH doesn't tap into WoW resources much at all |
| 11:15.00 | Adys | Is there some css :empty or something? for inputs |
| 11:15.01 | ReAn | *shrug* |
| 11:15.05 | ReAn | thought i would pass it along |
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| 11:15.14 | ZorbaTHut | and, I mean, it shouldn't be causing access violations if so. Thanks for letting me know though :) |
| 11:16.42 | Aelobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVZe0-lWVc |
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| 11:31.34 | Cruciformer | question: If I use: for somevar in 1, 10 do whatever end ... if I hadn't previously declared somevar as local is it automatically local? |
| 11:33.01 | Aelobin | i'd like to know that too :P |
| 11:33.51 | haste | Cruciformer: local to the scope of for by default |
| 11:34.06 | Xinhuan | it is local |
| 11:34.13 | haste | easy to test also :p |
| 11:34.15 | Xinhuan | in fact, it is forced local |
| 11:34.24 | Xinhuan | you can't use an unlocal one |
| 11:34.42 | haste | lua> for i in next, {1} do --[[]] end print(i) |
| 11:34.43 | lua_bot | haste: nil |
| 11:34.43 | Cruciformer | cool ty. Yeah I could have written a test but I am in a channel of experts it was quicker to ask :) |
| 11:34.49 | haste | lies |
| 11:34.57 | Xinhuan | also, if you change the loop counter in the loop, it will continue correctly to the next loop |
| 11:35.12 | Xinhuan | that is, lua keeps track of the loop counter internally |
| 11:35.16 | Cruciformer | "correctly"? |
| 11:35.23 | haste | yes |
| 11:35.26 | Xinhuan | for i = 1, 10 do i=4 end |
| 11:35.28 | Xinhuan | it will loop 10 times |
| 11:35.30 | Cruciformer | thanks fo the clarification. |
| 11:35.32 | Xinhuan | not infinite loop |
| 11:35.53 | Xinhuan | in C, it would be an infinite loop |
| 11:35.57 | Aelobin | what about x=10 for i=1, x do x = x + 1 end |
| 11:36.19 | Xinhuan | x will change, but at the start of the next iteration, it will be "reset" to the loop value |
| 11:36.28 | Aelobin | kk |
| 11:36.36 | Cruciformer | neat |
| 11:36.45 | Cruciformer | tyvm Xinhuan and haste |
| 11:36.47 | krka | also, the loop variable is a new local in each loop iteration, which can be relevant when dealing with closures |
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| 11:55.56 | bleeter | there's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's elvis |
| 11:56.28 | Cruciformer | I suspect someone switched his lithium prescription for some acid :) |
| 11:57.05 | Cruciformer | mmm Lithium ... time for some Evanescence |
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| 12:14.48 | Aelobin | 3 bottles of water fell on my foot :< |
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| 12:49.44 | harl | woof |
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| 12:52.50 | Wobin | Finally I realized that Keristrasza is not chained to her room. Once I knew that, the rest was easy. I dismissed my pet, switched over with my dual-spec to MM spec (just to have more damage) and pulled her out into the hallway. Then I kited her around the hallways in circles, jump-shotting from max range |
| 12:52.53 | Wobin | hehe cool |
| 12:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | Tricky dragons. |
| 13:02.33 | Wobin | hum |
| 13:02.38 | Wobin | time to buy out titanium |
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| 13:12.55 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 13:12.59 | Fisker | raaaaaage |
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| 13:21.53 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVZe0-lWVc |
| 13:22.21 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker. |
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| 13:23.02 | Lopeppeppy | Can you spare one of those? Most guys are protective and want a pair. |
| 13:23.34 | Wobin | rofl |
| 13:23.35 | Wobin | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/06/17/iran-gets-caught-photoshoppingagain |
| 13:23.43 | Wobin | Someone got busy with the stamp tool =P |
| 13:25.02 | alestane | Most guys want a pair of what? |
| 13:26.31 | Wobin | I think Lope means they want to keep having a pair |
| 13:26.39 | Lopeppeppy | pounces alestane tons and tons. |
| 13:26.48 | alestane | Yeep! |
| 13:26.48 | Wobin | and Lopeppeppy, who said it was haste's that he was throwing |
| 13:26.57 | alestane | Kamikaze kuddles! |
| 13:27.07 | Wobin | kawaii =P |
| 13:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | This also is true, Wobin. He could be throwing yours. Can *you* spare one? |
| 13:27.16 | Wobin | I cannot |
| 13:27.22 | Wobin | I postulate he is throwing Fisker's |
| 13:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Stay away from haste then, I think he's running out of ammunition. |
| 13:28.57 | haste | lies |
| 13:29.04 | haste | I have a bag of them! |
| 13:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew, isn't that messy? |
| 13:30.03 | haste | no, I keep them in a special organic container! |
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| 13:30.55 | Lopeppeppy | What does that do, it being organic? |
| 13:32.19 | haste | it keeps them fresh and warm |
| 13:32.35 | alestane | While I still haven't overtly heard what objects are under discussion, if I infer correctly, he may be referring to the personally attached organic container. |
| 13:32.57 | haste | no, that would be... odd |
| 13:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think so. He's flinging testicles, they're likely detached from their personal containers before he flings them. |
| 13:33.28 | alestane | On a rather different note: http://www.twolumps.net/d/20090617.html |
| 13:34.52 | Wobin | I <3 two lumps |
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| 13:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | Cat is good. |
| 13:35.37 | alestane | I have to say the news station deserves that one though. |
| 13:36.19 | Kraps | assassins creed 2 looks awesome |
| 13:37.35 | Kraps | swimming, double assassination, grabbing an enemies weapon |
| 13:38.16 | Adys | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx |
| 13:38.18 | Adys | ha ha |
| 13:38.34 | Adys | MS is a great company, making april fools in the middle of june |
| 13:38.57 | Wobin | ahead of the times! |
| 13:39.07 | Kraps | Adys: thats whack |
| 13:39.58 | Wobin | wow baseless claims are clearly the way forward! |
| 13:39.59 | Kraps | "Internet Explorer 8 is more compatible with more sites on the Internet than any other browser. " hold on while i laugh to death |
| 13:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | I just died a little inside. |
| 13:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | My CMS is not certified to run with IE8. Any sheeple install it and they're on their own. |
| 13:40.40 | Wobin | "That's just not nice" |
| 13:41.07 | alestane | Yeah, some of that would verge on libel if there were anything presented as supposed fact and not just a heaping helping of opinions. |
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| 13:41.18 | Wobin | If you're wondering whether you should get it, then here's your short answer: Yes. Erik Larkin, PC World |
| 13:41.24 | Wobin | "Long answer: No" |
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| 13:42.44 | Wobin | So does IE8 actually pass all the CSS tests? |
| 13:43.22 | Wobin | Or is Acid2 "An outdated testing scheme" or something |
| 13:44.03 | Adys | ie8 passes acid2 |
| 13:44.13 | Adys | and they got most css2.1 stuff right, more than FF |
| 13:44.19 | Wobin | Acid3? |
| 13:44.25 | Adys | acid3 they fail at like 20% |
| 13:44.59 | Wobin | are they even trying? |
| 13:45.05 | Wobin | or are they happy with Acid2 |
| 13:45.11 | Wobin | (while everyone else gets on with it...) |
| 13:45.22 | Adys | I dont know, and I dont care |
| 13:45.27 | Adys | Im glad they do pass acid2 |
| 13:46.20 | alestane | Oddest thing I've seen on Facebook in a while "Drunk Sex: 1 friend is a fan". |
| 13:46.34 | Wobin | woo, now's your chance to score! |
| 13:47.25 | alestane | With a 300lb man? |
| 13:47.48 | Lopeppeppy | does not make snarky comments, nope. |
| 13:56.55 | alestane | ...moving on... |
| 13:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | What? I'm totally being good. |
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| 13:58.45 | alestane | Who says I'm moving on from you? |
| 13:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww! That's totally the nicest thing anyone has said to me today! |
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| 14:02.01 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
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| 14:05.54 | alestane | I can't shake the feeling that there should be a pairs-style iterator for ... lists. |
| 14:07.07 | alestane | But doing it without generating garbage tables would have to be done from C-side, and would probably generate garbage functions instead. |
| 14:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | GIGO! |
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| 14:10.09 | kneeki | Wooo! Battle Bot Battle fuel! |
| 14:10.11 | kneeki | :D |
| 14:10.17 | Wobin | http://thenonist.com/index.php/thenonist/permalink/hot_library_smut/ |
| 14:10.20 | Wobin | zomg libraryporn |
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| 14:12.38 | Fisker | hot |
| 14:13.11 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/17/funny-pictures-my-otter-half/ awww.... |
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| 14:15.04 | Adys | why do people on ichc still feel the need of writing like retards |
| 14:15.16 | Adys | this memeish shit died years ago |
| 14:16.00 | Lopeppeppy | I still like the pictures though. |
| 14:17.06 | Adys | yeah |
| 14:17.09 | Adys | they're great |
| 14:17.20 | Adys | its just people ruining it with their presence. |
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| 14:18.46 | Wobin | Adys: do -not- read ichc comments |
| 14:18.53 | Wobin | they will destroy your will to live |
| 14:19.40 | Adys | Wobin: I moderate mmoc boards |
| 14:19.49 | Wobin | mmoc? |
| 14:19.54 | Adys | I can withstand very high amounts of stupidity |
| 14:20.01 | Adys | mmochamp |
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| 14:20.13 | Wobin | I'm sure you can |
| 14:20.26 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/celebrity-pictures-ford-hamill-career-continue.jpg |
| 14:20.29 | Wobin | but ichc would test the most ... resistant of people |
| 14:20.42 | Wobin | truly it is the worst the internet can offer |
| 14:20.47 | Arrowmaster | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/13/funny-pictures-watches-too-much-animal-planet/ |
| 14:20.50 | Arrowmaster | poor cat |
| 14:20.53 | Wobin | distilled down to "omg, bad grammar is funny when -I- say it" |
| 14:21.56 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/celebrity-pictures-george-clooney-sean-connery.jpg |
| 14:22.15 | Adys | Wobin: theres a diff between reading it and moderating it |
| 14:22.23 | mikma | oh, winner. http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/celebrity-pictures-donald-trump-captions-need.jpg |
| 14:22.27 | Adys | imagine yourself in an ocean, at the bottom of it |
| 14:22.36 | Adys | you're sinking |
| 14:22.46 | Adys | now, imagine you have to live there. |
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| 14:22.57 | Wobin | hm, what is this BitBinder? |
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| 14:23.16 | Wobin | oh bitblinder |
| 14:23.19 | Wobin | I misread |
| 14:24.59 | Shirik | I'll bind your bits |
| 14:25.04 | Wobin | no |
| 14:25.09 | Lopeppeppy | Whoa there stallions, take it outside. |
| 14:25.10 | Wobin | you'll -blind- my bits |
| 14:25.14 | Arrowmaster | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/07/funny-pictures-i-can-has-al-gore/ |
| 14:25.33 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-laurence-fishburne-not-smart.jpg |
| 14:25.42 | Wobin | "lolar berrz swimm fur milez n milez âtween icee flows. deh doo it alla time, noe wurries. lolar berrz be reel boyant!" |
| 14:25.48 | Wobin | see |
| 14:25.53 | Wobin | it's only funny if the damn -cat- says it |
| 14:26.03 | Wobin | not random commenter on the interwebs |
| 14:26.13 | Shirik | it's really sad that all those people are talking like that |
| 14:26.22 | Wobin | yes |
| 14:28.30 | mikma | wobin: http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-hugh-jackman-australian-canadian.jpg |
| 14:28.46 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:28.46 | alestane | Does the module function return anything (I'm aware that it doesn't exist in WoW)? |
| 14:29.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:29.06 | Wobin | although, you'd be surprised how many New Zealand acts Australia is totally willing to take credit for =) |
| 14:29.08 | Shirik | it returns whatever was returned by the module you loaded |
| 14:29.15 | Bruners | broker money tracking thingie, what was the name |
| 14:29.21 | Shirik | it's typical for that to be a table |
| 14:30.06 | alestane | Note: module creates modules, require loads them. |
| 14:30.13 | Shirik | oops |
| 14:30.17 | Shirik | I meant require :/ |
| 14:30.27 | alestane | I know what require returns. |
| 14:31.18 | Adys | In the "We all should have sex together" category |
| 14:31.26 | Adys | Transmission has a Qt interface |
| 14:32.42 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-hugh-laurie-lohan-drive.jpg HAHAHA |
| 14:34.49 | Kraps | listening to this guy while playing wow is great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iurO6tq-Z0&feature=channel |
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| 14:36.00 | mikma | adys: http://icanhascheezburger.com/upcoming/?pid=152207 |
| 14:45.22 | Wobin | hm, is it pronounced "Saa-rah"? |
| 14:45.40 | Wobin | I always thought it was "Se-rah" |
| 14:46.05 | Wobin | or if it were the former, spelled "Sara" |
| 14:46.07 | Cruciformer | U mean the girls name? |
| 14:46.18 | Wobin | Sarah Palin |
| 14:46.27 | Wobin | in the youtube vid just posted |
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| 14:46.40 | alestane | It's useful to remember that there aren't always canonical pronunciations for names. |
| 14:46.52 | kneeki | http://img522.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot061809074617.jpg/ <- suggestions? |
| 14:46.53 | Cruciformer | "Sara" I have heard pronounced both ways ... but "Sarah" with the H on the end I have only ever heard pronounced "seh-rah" |
| 14:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah is our very own lady. |
| 14:47.12 | alestane | Whose name isn't Sarah. |
| 14:47.57 | Wobin | alestane: indeed, which is why I wasn't sure how Mrs Palin pronounced hers |
| 14:48.21 | Cruciformer | Besides in teh case of Sarah Palin the "Sarah" is pronounced "Yummy" :) |
| 14:48.34 | Wobin | winks. |
| 14:48.40 | Wobin | *shudder* |
| 14:49.00 | alestane | I usually hear her referred to as "SEH-ruh" but you don't usually hear people refer to their own names during interviews etc. |
| 14:49.05 | Wobin | Some habits you don't want to bring into the political arena |
| 14:49.10 | Wobin | and flirting is one of them |
| 14:49.32 | alestane | I think it was cogwheel who referred to her as "Caribou Barbie." |
| 14:49.33 | Cruciformer | I dunno it worked well for that italian prime minister |
| 14:49.45 | Wobin | alestane: hehe, it was a classy name |
| 14:49.46 | Cruciformer | alestane: lmao |
| 14:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm usually an apologist, but I can't find much good to say about her except that SNL nailed it on the head. |
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| 14:52.02 | Wobin | it's... sadly true |
| 14:52.20 | Wobin | especially that one skit, where she did Sarah Palin's speech verbatim |
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| 14:56.40 | alestane | "he fact there was no one able to prevent McCain from choosing such an obviously inadequate imperial manager, and choosing her in such a bizarre, panicked way, indicates thatâas during the decline of Rome, or the last years of Saddamâs regimeâeveryone sane has already been eliminated from the power structure." |
| 14:56.52 | alestane | The* fact |
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| 15:10.17 | cogwheel | happy alestane day |
| 15:10.33 | alestane | Why thank you, cogwheel. |
| 15:14.03 | AckisWork | I bent over today and hit my head on the wall, so I pucnhed the wall and I think I broke a knuckle |
| 15:15.14 | Wobin | well, you sure showed that wall who's boss! |
| 15:15.31 | Wobin | PS, You'd better get that knuckle checked out... |
| 15:15.42 | Lopeppeppy | PS, and get some anger management kitties to do more therapy on you. |
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| 15:16.11 | AckisWork | I was in a grumpy mood, still am |
| 15:16.35 | Lopeppeppy | Breathe, darlin', the world will wait. |
| 15:18.24 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/10/29/anger-management-kitteh-is-counting-down-from-10/ |
| 15:22.58 | Aelobin | ICHCB is awesome but the comments always make me shudder =/ |
| 15:24.24 | AckisWork | anger managemet kitty needs AckisHugs |
| 15:31.39 | Jiminizer | Thanks for approving EpeenAgent Ackis :) |
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| 15:32.49 | AckisWork | yw |
| 15:33.46 | Fisker | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:37.48 | Wobin | Aelobin: Do not read the comments! That way leads to madness =( |
| 15:38.01 | Wobin | Scroll not down into the den of insanity |
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| 15:38.20 | Aelobin | Wobin: madness?!? this... is... |
| 15:40.06 | Jiminizer | Islington. |
| 15:40.10 | Jiminizer | I mean, Sparta. |
| 15:43.08 | alestane | I did not realize the OS X included a "photo negative the screen" hotkey. |
| 15:48.34 | Wobin | http://hahahaha.fr/ |
| 15:48.37 | Wobin | ... freaky |
| 15:48.39 | Wobin | but... funny |
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| 15:49.45 | Cruciformer | is there any way to get the server time in a resolution higher than minutes? |
| 15:50.04 | Wobin | the secret combo, btw is '69' |
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| 16:01.02 | Mikk | Cruciformer: Kinda. After the first minute has passed. |
| 16:01.16 | Mikk | Cruciformer: http://www.wowwiki.com/GameTime:Get |
| 16:03.00 | Cruciformer | Mikk: tyvm, thats very useful. |
| 16:04.01 | Aqua | Anyone know how i can adjust the chat frame's position through a lua script etc? |
| 16:04.31 | Aqua | I'm trying to add something to the left side of the screen and the chat bar overlaps, I want to shift it to the right if my frame is enabled |
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| 16:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub has a famous! http://www.nostockui.com/2009/06/14-questions-with-tekkub/ |
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| 16:11.53 | Lothaer | morning people |
| 16:12.11 | Cruciformer | greetings Lothaer |
| 16:12.54 | Lothaer | whats new this cold cold winters morning? |
| 16:13.03 | cogwheel | alestane's age |
| 16:13.06 | Lothaer | lol |
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| 16:14.09 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:14.10 | Aqua | its hot and humid here today |
| 16:14.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa |
| 16:14.37 | cogwheel | gonna be hot here today too |
| 16:14.44 | cogwheel | Lothaer: you in southern hemi? |
| 16:14.50 | Lothaer | here its a chilly 2C converted thats about 35F |
| 16:14.52 | Lothaer | Australia |
| 16:14.59 | Aqua | they are calling for 90+ with like 80% humdity |
| 16:15.02 | Cruciformer | its cold as a witch's ... cold, very cold ehre too |
| 16:15.03 | Aqua | where i'm at |
| 16:15.19 | Lothaer | where u at Cruci? |
| 16:15.28 | Cruciformer | south africa |
| 16:15.34 | Lothaer | and i think the word your lookin for is Heart :D |
| 16:15.42 | Lothaer | ahh cool |
| 16:15.49 | Lothaer | isnt it always hot in africa though? |
| 16:15.54 | Cruciformer | Lothaer: near the heart, yes :) |
| 16:15.58 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:16.07 | cogwheel | i wish i could afford to keep a "summer" home in the southern hemisphere ;) |
| 16:16.10 | cogwheel | hates heat |
| 16:16.29 | Cruciformer | well up here in johannesburg at over 5500 feet it gets chilly in winter |
| 16:16.40 | Lothaer | "quickest way to a womens heart is through the church", "actually its through the ribcage but that gets a bit messy". |
| 16:16.45 | Lothaer | anyone know what movie thats from? |
| 16:16.53 | Aqua | dogma? |
| 16:16.56 | Lothaer | nope |
| 16:16.57 | Cruciformer | plus it snowed in teh Drakensburg mountains so that cold air blows right over us |
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| 16:17.54 | Cruciformer | I thought the quickest way to a woman's heart was with Visa, Mastercard or American Express? |
| 16:17.56 | Lothaer | yeah closest ive come to snow is what you scrap out of the freezer :D |
| 16:18.06 | Lothaer | dont accept American Express |
| 16:18.08 | alestane | Remind me, next time I get my toon's hair done, not to go to Ironforge. All the red light makes it very hard to judge colors right. |
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| 16:19.22 | Cruciformer | oh and the answer to where that quote came from is "Vampire in Brooklyn" |
| 16:19.30 | Lothaer | correct |
| 16:19.35 | Lothaer | you totally googled it :D |
| 16:19.42 | Cruciformer | I totally did :) |
| 16:19.51 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:20.01 | Lothaer | tis actually a good movie |
| 16:20.16 | Lothaer | Eddie Murphy plays the bad guy :O |
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| 16:20.24 | Cruciformer | for some reason, the words "wes craven film" and "good" just never belong in the same sentence. |
| 16:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | Sorta-bad-guy |
| 16:20.25 | mikma | vampire... |
| 16:20.28 | mikma | in brooklyn.. |
| 16:20.34 | mikma | how can it NOT be a good movie?! |
| 16:20.40 | Lothaer | bite your tougne Cruci |
| 16:20.55 | Lothaer | Nightmare on Elm Street was a awesome movie |
| 16:21.11 | Cruciformer | only for very generous values of "awesome" |
| 16:21.34 | Lunessa | Vampire in Brooklyn also brings us such gems as "If you get some evil ass, OOOOO! Good!" |
| 16:21.48 | Lothaer | LOL |
| 16:21.55 | Lothaer | Evil is good |
| 16:21.58 | Lothaer | and Ass is good |
| 16:21.58 | Lunessa | And "Boy you look BAD. Better do a dick-check." |
| 16:22.05 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:22.32 | Lothaer | you dont have to get all blackula on me |
| 16:23.14 | alestane | Is "Transmute: Eternal Might" still in the game? |
| 16:23.45 | Cruciformer | see those quotes dont do it for me. But this one from Clerks makes me laugh: 'It's important to have a job that makes a difference, boys. That's why I manually masturbate caged animals for artificial insemination.' |
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| 16:25.00 | Lothaer | alestane - yes its still in you gotta discover it |
| 16:25.04 | Lothaer | via xmute |
| 16:25.13 | alestane | So I should keep doing transmutes then, okay. |
| 16:25.17 | Lothaer | yup |
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| 16:25.30 | alestane | I have all the others by now. |
| 16:25.58 | Lothaer | yesterday i 15manned C'Thun :D i got all the battle tanks :D |
| 16:26.41 | Cruciformer | can you discover that while xmuting saronite to titanium bars or do you have to do other transmutes? |
| 16:27.02 | Lothaer | im pretty sure aslong as its a xmute it counts |
| 16:27.28 | alestane | As long as the description say "You have a chance to discover other transmutes when successful". |
| 16:29.28 | Lothaer | GDI i hate it when people dont have PMs enabled |
| 16:30.09 | Lunessa | Happy B-Day alestane. |
| 16:30.16 | Lopeppeppy | Usually means their nick isn't registered. |
| 16:30.28 | alestane | Thank you, Lunessa. |
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| 16:33.09 | Lothaer | how old are you know? |
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| 16:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | Old enough to know better, young enough not to care. |
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| 16:35.58 | Lunessa | "That's the nature of "leaderboard" style competitions, a predatory context I tend to avoid, because I'm already quite acquainted with my own mediocrity, thanks! I don't need it reinforced with visual aids." Thank you, Tycho, for nailing it right on the head. |
| 16:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
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| 16:42.31 | alestane | I would dispute that they're a difference between mediocrity and fervent competitiveness, but I jive what he's saying. |
| 16:42.52 | alestane | there's* |
| 16:43.10 | Lothaer | does anyone know if there is a priest themed nUI skin? |
| 16:47.04 | Lunessa | alestane: I have the gene for competition. I thrive on challenge. I also happen to be mediocre at video games - which is why I don't PvP, and why I'm not in a world-first or hardcore "progression" guild. |
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| 16:48.02 | Cruciformer | I think being in a "world first" guild requires for of a complete lack of a real life than any great video game skills. |
| 16:48.19 | Cruciformer | sure you need some BASIC skills but what you need most of is time. |
| 16:48.40 | Cruciformer | *more of a |
| 16:49.29 | Koren | Does anyone know Ensidia's raiding times? |
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| 16:49.44 | electric_ | can functions conflict from one mod to another? O_o |
| 16:50.04 | Shirik|Ghost | yes |
| 16:50.07 | alestane | If they try to share the same name, or use the same variables, than possibly. |
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| 16:50.24 | electric_ | dammit >_< ok thank you |
| 16:50.30 | Shirik|Ghost | http://wowwiki.com/Lua_variable_scoping if I remember correctly |
| 16:50.34 | Shirik|Ghost | I wrote that too long ago |
| 16:51.11 | electric_ | thanks |
| 16:53.47 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: What? You mean my WoW-time doesn't count as "a life"? fuckbeans! |
| 16:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:54.38 | alestane | I don't know how people arrived at that conclusion, but no-one believes me when I say, "I HAVE a life, it's just online." |
| 16:54.58 | cogwheel | still can't believe his dog is allergic to humans |
| 16:55.33 | alestane | Yeah, that kind of bites. |
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| 16:55.59 | cogwheel | sort of groans at that sort of pun |
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| 16:57.03 | Gnarfoz | <Cruciformer> I think being in a "world first" guild requires for of a complete lack of a real life than any great video game skills. <-- aaa-hahahaha :D |
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| 16:58.38 | kneeki | wows... |
| 16:58.49 | kneeki | playing Diablo 2 at any resolution has really got me hooked again! |
| 16:59.31 | kneeki | http://fidgit.com/archives/2009/06/play_diablo_2_in_high_resoluti.php |
| 16:59.41 | nicoli_s | mmmm diablo..... |
| 17:00.01 | Lothaer | ~seen spiel2001 |
| 17:00.03 | purl | Lothaer: i haven't seen 'spiel2001' |
| 17:00.10 | Lothaer | ~seen spiel |
| 17:00.10 | purl | i haven't seen 'spiel', Lothaer |
| 17:07.07 | NeoTron | kneeki: does that mean you can play it in like 1920x1200 too or something? |
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| 17:08.34 | alestane | And does it get scaled up or just cover a wider area? |
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| 17:10.06 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 17:10.14 | NeoTron | might be rather miniscule if it's just more surface area |
| 17:10.15 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIRuRewGVg - this is what happens when you don't have a life. |
| 17:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | I have a life. I keep it in a baby food jar on the top shelf of the pantry, where it's safe. |
| 17:10.46 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane, NeoTron: the link he posted links to a forum thread with a couple comparisons: http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16131 |
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| 17:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | it looks like just more area shown. and also windows only. boo. |
| 17:12.22 | Lothaer | any nui users here? |
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| 17:15.47 | Lunessa | Lothaer: You'll have better luck on Scott's form for nUI than here. |
| 17:16.32 | kneeki | NeoTron: You can, yeah |
| 17:16.38 | kneeki | Any res your monitor supports |
| 17:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://static.arstechnica.com/2009-broadband-4.png |
| 17:18.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm paying even more than $44.70 =[ |
| 17:20.34 | NeoTron | never played diablo 2 |
| 17:20.36 | NeoTron | maybe I should |
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| 17:21.13 | ZorbaTHut | arrgh. "you get to keep the stuff you already had" <-- this is not positive reinforcement |
| 17:21.58 | alestane | Regarding what? |
| 17:22.12 | ZorbaTHut | my guild GMs are trying to figure out how to make people pay more attention during combat |
| 17:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | most of their ideas come down to "penalize people harshly for simple mistakes". |
| 17:22.21 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 17:22.25 | Zyndrome | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx |
| 17:22.26 | Zyndrome | wut |
| 17:22.30 | ZorbaTHut | I am trying to explain how terrible of an idea this is. :P |
| 17:22.45 | alestane | I like the description of that page as "facts", it amuses me. |
| 17:24.58 | KarlKFI | that page is so full of bullshit it's amazing |
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| 17:27.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll give them the compatability (though that isn't a good thing) |
| 17:27.54 | alestane | "but many of the customizations you'd want to download for Firefox are already a part of Internet Explorer 8 â right out of the box." => "IE is bloated with many features you'll never use"? |
| 17:28.00 | Grum | Zyndrome: lol o.O |
| 17:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And the manageability |
| 17:28.25 | alestane | Compatibility has more to do with people writing for IE than anything else. |
| 17:28.26 | Grum | 'We support more websites because we still retain backwards compatibility for our imposed retarded non-standards' |
| 17:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Aye |
| 17:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I'm still busy laughing my head off at the standards thing |
| 17:28.48 | Grum | yeah |
| 17:28.55 | Grum | they still dont support much of the stuff people asked for |
| 17:28.57 | Grum | basic stuff |
| 17:29.28 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: wait.. i wasn't aware a "sane rendering engine" was a part of IE? o_0 |
| 17:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Myth #1: Internet Explorer is much slower than Firefox and Chrome. |
| 17:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | The Real Deal: In tests, Internet Explorer 8 performs as well or better than Firefox and Chrome. |
| 17:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ... until you look at javascript! |
| 17:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's amazing |
| 17:29.59 | alestane | "InPrivate Browsing and InPrivate Filtering help Internet Explorer 8 claim privacy victory. " According to whom? |
| 17:30.19 | Zyndrome | by Jeff , the janitor |
| 17:30.38 | alestane | The thing that drives me nuts is there failure to even ATTEMPT to substantiate several of their claims of superiority. |
| 17:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: yeah, no kidding |
| 17:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 17:31.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Reminds me of Colbert's speech to the white house press corps in 06 |
| 17:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | "We don't use facts. We tell it straight - from the gut." or something similar |
| 17:31.44 | mikma | if you buy item from vendor that can be returned within 2h, socket and enchant it, what happens if you sell the item back? |
| 17:31.50 | mikma | do you get enchants and gems back or do you lose them |
| 17:31.55 | Grum | lose them |
| 17:33.16 | Lunessa | I hate IE - I use it only where I must. Their "facts" aren't facts. |
| 17:33.32 | Grum | their facts are what managers read |
| 17:33.52 | Grum | they only list the stuff managers get stuck from under the table, no the facts that actually matter in day to day work with it |
| 17:34.11 | Lopeppeppy | Dogbert wrote that page, giggling the whole time. |
| 17:34.33 | Lunessa | And got Catbert to publish it. |
| 17:38.16 | Lunessa | Go go alestane - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13856-MysteryFrames.html |
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| 17:40.31 | alestane | Go go? Just trying to deal with that thread that's been plaguing the front few pages. |
| 17:42.30 | alestane | Whichever mod is creating the frame is so dogged about making it inaccessible that this is the only way I can think of to deal with it...hook CreateFrame and scan for nil names. |
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| 17:44.58 | Lunessa | I just thought it was pretty cool of you to build a tool for someone to debug code you had nothing to do with. :) |
| 17:45.37 | alestane | I guess...I actually have a long history of "half-hour" add-ons based on people saying "I can't find something that does this and I don't know how to program!" |
| 17:45.46 | alestane | ShiftFocus was one. |
| 17:46.01 | Lopeppeppy | No more half hour addons until your work is done! *puts alestane into birthday time out* |
| 17:46.19 | alestane | There's a mod on Curse called AutoThrottle which happened the same way. |
| 17:46.39 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Actually, my work right now involves several of them. |
| 17:47.04 | alestane | That's how we illustrate principles in the book. |
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| 17:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | Well, that's part of your work then, I'll allow it this once only! |
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| 17:51.15 | alestane | But it's amazing how many problems can be solved with about seven lines of code, if they're the right seven lines. |
| 17:57.25 | Lunessa | There's this story about a plant that's having a problem with their generator, and dozens of technicians and repairmen have been unable to fix the problem. In desperation they hire one more fellow. He comes out, listens to the problem, listens to the generator, pulls out a small hammer and taps the machine. Presto! All is well again. |
| 17:57.52 | Lunessa | The moral being - the fix is often in knowing the right thing to do. |
| 17:58.09 | zenzelezz | damnit Lunessa, that's supposed to be a trade secret |
| 17:58.28 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: in ur secrets, making them public |
| 17:58.47 | Lopeppeppy | Can you shard a secret? |
| 17:59.36 | Lunessa | secrets are tasty to nom. |
| 18:00.24 | Lopeppeppy | I should be hungry now? |
| 18:00.33 | Aelobin | nooooooo |
| 18:00.48 | Aelobin | got a wow error in the middle of a bejeweled game where i had a hyper cube :'( |
| 18:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls eyes* |
| 18:02.34 | durcyn | that's way too much recursion right there |
| 18:02.45 | Lopeppeppy | This photographer was on crack, photographing the hands of the ASL interpreter rather than the dinner guests? |
| 18:03.10 | mikma | how much will AH cut when you buy something from other faction? |
| 18:03.20 | Koren | 15% |
| 18:03.30 | mikma | ouuuuch |
| 18:03.34 | Koren | As opposed to 5% from same faction |
| 18:03.48 | mikma | need to transfer 20k money to the other faction :O |
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| 18:05.27 | Lunessa | A goblin's got to make a living, friend. |
| 18:05.52 | alestane | Lunessa: That joke is rather more complicated in the version I know. |
| 18:06.16 | Lunessa | alestane: I shortened it even. |
| 18:10.21 | alestane | The technician comes out, looks at the malfunctioning computer, listens to it for a few minutes, flips a couple of switches and watches the lights, opens the cover and taps a circuit board with a rubber mallet. A few weeks later the business gets a bill for $5,000. |
| 18:10.59 | Lunessa | Tapping computer with mallet, $1 - Knowing where to tap - $4,999. |
| 18:11.16 | Dagmar | Been there before. |
| 18:11.19 | alestane | That's the short of it, yes. |
| 18:11.20 | Dagmar | Only charged $85/hour tho |
| 18:11.21 | durcyn | Ruining someone else's old joke punchline, priceless. |
| 18:11.28 | durcyn | Lunessa: ^5 |
| 18:11.59 | Lunessa | durcyn: I can't help it, it's in my nature. |
| 18:12.44 | Dagmar | Generally, the rubber mallet should be applied to the user calling for support. |
| 18:12.59 | alestane | In the long version the first bill is not itemized, and after the proprietor complains, they send back a revised bill. |
| 18:14.27 | durcyn | huh. Character names can now be colorized according to class in the chat frame through an interface option in the Development settings. |
| 18:14.30 | durcyn | that only took forever. |
| 18:18.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=10551414 |
| 18:19.42 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 18:19.49 | Dagmar | They're actually breaking some laws there |
| 18:20.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that won't end well |
| 18:21.40 | Dagmar | Any one of those sites would could sue just on the basis that user's passwords are being asked for |
| 18:22.09 | Dagmar | It's not quite torturous interference, but it's pretty close. |
| 18:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Though, crap like that is half the reason I don't put -anything- on such sites |
| 18:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | My facebook page picture is still the question mark :P |
| 18:22.36 | alestane | Dagmar: The term I think you're looking for is "tortious". |
| 18:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And I log in every once.. per two months max, I'd say |
| 18:23.08 | Dagmar | alestane: I'll worry about that once I've had more caffiene |
| 18:23.12 | durcyn | alestane: you don't know, they could be waterboarding as well as asking for passwords. |
| 18:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 18:23.34 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Well, there's also the issue of they've _no_ legal grounds to even ask about someone's private life |
| 18:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | What really scares me |
| 18:24.02 | ScytheBlade1 | No one has ever removed his or her name from consideration for a job due to the request, Sullivan added. |
| 18:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | SHEEP, ALL OF YOU |
| 18:24.21 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter if it's on the internet--if it's a forum that provides a "friends only" or "semi-private", i.e., anything other than implicitly public modes... |
| 18:24.31 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Them saying that really means nothing |
| 18:24.46 | Dagmar | They'd never see the apps of anyone who didn't agree with the request |
| 18:25.03 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone who asks for my name and password... no way I'd work there. |
| 18:25.21 | Dagmar | For them to ask about something that's private like that is an invasaion of privacy, and simply asking nicely on official paperwork about it doesn't change that |
| 18:25.51 | Dagmar | Just like if the job application asked if you've ever had anal sex with your wife. It's not legal to ask, it's just not obvious that it's not legal. |
| 18:26.25 | alestane | 'Plurbius shouted, "Release the scythes!" A lone scythe dropped flatly on Mirendia's head, which hurt but wasn't that dangerous. Disapointed, Plurbius faded from view, mumbling "'Oh, don't worry Plurbius, we'll have thirty scythes . . . and they'll spin and shred . . . .' Last time I use gnome contractors."' |
| 18:26.47 | Lopeppeppy | I was taught in high school what questions were legal for employers to ask, I wonder if the modern job applicant knows these things. Why not just require them to submit a picture of themselves with their application? That's illegal. |
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| 18:31.49 | alestane | I cannot easily find Keith Knight's strip where he postulates that America is overweight and in debt because of modern home economics classes. |
| 18:33.09 | alestane | Learned how to balance a checkbook? Nope. How to budget, or how a mortgage works? Nope. Baked cookies? Yes, all the time. |
| 18:33.28 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't have home ec, so that point's pretty moot. |
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| 18:34.13 | alestane | "The local Postal Service has grown tired of walking so far each day to collect mail and have decided to install a large number of new mailboxes to Stormwind, Undercity, Darnassus and Orgrimmar." |
| 18:34.43 | durcyn | i'd posit that america's fat because we allowed giant multinational corporations to take over our food supply and replace it with genetically modified slop that's processed into the least healthy semblance of food possible |
| 18:34.47 | durcyn | but let's blame home ec classes |
| 18:35.38 | alestane | durcyn: Trends in weight have long preceded genetically modified crops, I'm afraid. They've just been exacerbated lately. |
| 18:36.06 | durcyn | the 'processed' portion being the more relevant, at least historically, yeah. |
| 18:36.26 | ZorbaTHut | I'd posit that America's fat because most Americans don't know any better, either why it's bad or how to stop it |
| 18:36.36 | ZorbaTHut | but let's blame eeeevil faceless technology |
| 18:36.46 | alestane | Corporations? Maybe. But the crux of the matter is that it's gotten to the point where we can produce food with almost no nutritional value but tempting flavors, very cheaply compared to actual nutrition. |
| 18:36.52 | durcyn | it's not faceless. Monsanto. |
| 18:37.06 | ZorbaTHut | eeeeeeevil corporations |
| 18:37.39 | durcyn | would you describe evil as deliberately planting modified crops on independent farmers' land, then suing them for stealing your patented plant, ZorbaTHut? |
| 18:37.45 | zenzelezz | hm... space travel just won't be very interesting until we get voidhawk technology :-| |
| 18:37.45 | ZorbaTHut | it couldn't be because people just don't know any better. there must be a conspiracy! all sitting up there in their CEO boardroom, cackling. |
| 18:38.03 | ZorbaTHut | sure, I think Monsanto's pretty much a bunch of dicks. But I also think that if we weren't willing to feed *ourselves* crap, they wouldn't be selling it. |
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| 18:39.00 | ZorbaTHut | as much as people hate to admit it, companies only sell what we want to buy. If we don't want to buy it, you'd be surprised how hard it is to change people's minds. It's just that nobody's taught in school that quality is important, in anything. That, IMHO, is the real crux of the matter. |
| 18:39.30 | durcyn | it's not just one cause and effect, though. people eating fast food leads to faster food that's even worse for us, lather, rinse, repeat |
| 18:40.16 | durcyn | and at a minimum, it's irresponsible of the companies that are providing said processed food, perhaps even criminal if they're aware of the negative effects of consuming it |
| 18:40.29 | durcyn | i'm not saying i want my hand held, but i'd rather not be willfully poisoned so someone can make a buck |
| 18:40.31 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: That also shows in craftsmanship nowadays. It simply doesn't exist for the most part. |
| 18:40.58 | ZorbaTHut | torhal, I'd argue that most of the time it's actually counterproductive, with modern manufacturing. But, yes, it's sad that it's *so* missing. |
| 18:41.14 | Torhal | durcyn: You did know that cyanide gives stuff a nice, almondy flavor right? |
| 18:41.23 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:41.23 | durcyn | Torhal: I like almonds. |
| 18:41.28 | Dagmar | So... |
| 18:41.35 | Dagmar | That Bozeman MT thing... |
| 18:41.48 | Dagmar | You realize that it's flat out *illegal* for them to ask for people's logins and passwords like that, right?> |
| 18:42.47 | AbsolutRayne | 'Ardent Defender: Redesigned. Currently, any damage taken by the paladin while at 35% health or below is reduced. Instead, any attack that would reduce the paladin to 35% health or below has its damage reduced. In addition, once every 2 minutes an attack that would have killed the paladin will fail to kill, and instead set the paladin's health to 10/20/30% of maximum.' |
| 18:42.50 | AbsolutRayne | Oh my god whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
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| 18:43.37 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 18:43.53 | ZorbaTHut | that sounds so awesome that I feel like warriors are going to end up obsolete |
| 18:44.01 | ZorbaTHut | where'd you find that, rayne? |
| 18:45.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: eyonix' post on the official forums, i suspect |
| 18:46.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh.. "Flying over Dalaran and Wintergrasp is now possible so long as players keep a healthy distance above the ground." |
| 18:48.12 | Thunder_Child | heh "The local Postal Service has grown tired of walking so far each day to collect mail and have decided to install a large number of new mailboxes to Stormwind, Undercity, Darnassus and Orgrimmar." |
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| 18:50.16 | zenzelezz | you know what's funny? There's so much mail going around in Azeroth, but I've yet to spot a postman |
| 18:50.27 | Dagmar | How the hell does that work? |
| 18:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | they're like ninjas. |
| 18:50.31 | Thunder_Child | they use teleporters |
| 18:50.37 | durcyn | they're magical underground postal goblin ninjas |
| 18:50.43 | durcyn | with a tunnel to every mailbox |
| 18:50.44 | Dagmar | They don't like all the walking so they install *more* mailboxes? |
| 18:51.02 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: I was wondering the same |
| 18:51.20 | Dagmar | I wouldn't complain about not seeing a postman. Don't give Blizz the idea someone might think that was a fun quest |
| 18:51.27 | Dagmar | EFF THE ANTONICAN BARDS IN THE EAR |
| 18:52.27 | Thunder_Child | "When standing at a capture point that you control, you will gain a buff called Honorable Defender. This buff grants +50% honor gained from kills. This currently affects Arathi Basin, Eye of the Storm and Isle of Conquest." |
| 18:52.28 | Thunder_Child | weee |
| 18:52.42 | kneeki | Sweet! |
| 18:52.57 | tekkub | Yatta! no more tekinicolor or SellVish needed |
| 18:53.10 | tekkub | "Character names can now be colorized according to class in the chat frame through an interface option in the Development settings." |
| 18:53.12 | Thunder_Child | sellvish? |
| 18:53.21 | tekkub | SellFish :P |
| 18:53.22 | tekkub | "Vendor prices will now be listed on items whether or not players are at a vendor." |
| 18:53.35 | tekkub | or DoubleWide: The quest log is now double-paned for more easily viewing quest information |
| 18:53.52 | Lothaer | full 3.2 patch notes are available http://wow.incgamers.com/blog/comments/ptr-patch-notes-3.2.0/ |
| 18:53.59 | tekkub | or half of RatingsBuster! Item Comparisons: Holding the shift key while hovering over an item will now display the stat differences with the item currently equipped in the relevant slot |
| 18:54.06 | Adys | http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/18/1521237/Bill-Ready-To-Ban-ISP-Caps-In-the-US?from=rss |
| 18:54.14 | Thunder_Child | yes Lothaer, we know, but we like to post out the interesting bits |
| 18:54.14 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: :o |
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| 18:54.21 | tekkub | pfft fuck the link, I just pasted half of the UI section |
| 18:54.57 | Adys | all the UI changes are good |
| 18:55.08 | tekkub | they always are |
| 18:55.10 | Thunder_Child | "Any dungeons that previously dropped Emblems of Heroism or Valor, such as Naxxramas or Heroic Halls of Stone, will now drop Emblems of Conquest instead. Emblems of Conquest can still be converted to Valor or Heroism." |
| 18:55.18 | Thunder_Child | now that they have a new emblem |
| 18:55.23 | Torhal | ... |
| 18:55.24 | Adys | uh |
| 18:55.25 | NightHawkTheSane | fucking finally, RF has no duration/cost |
| 18:55.31 | Adys | right |
| 18:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That's an incredibly elegant solution |
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| 18:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | + Players who do not wish to gain experience through PvP can visit Behsten in Stormwind or Slahtz in Orgrimmar - both located near the Battlemasters in either city - and turn off all experience accumulation for the cost of 10 gold. |
| 18:55.42 | Adys | and |
| 18:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | + Disabling experience gains will prevent a player from gaining experience through any means available in the game. |
| 18:55.46 | ScytheBlade1 | + Players with experience gains turned off who compete in Battlegrounds will face off only against other players with experience gains turned off. |
| 18:55.47 | Adys | how do you get emblems of heroism now? |
| 18:55.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: you dont |
| 18:55.55 | Thunder_Child | they can be converted |
| 18:56.01 | Thunder_Child | at a 1:1 ratio |
| 18:56.04 | Adys | what about the loot 1k emblems one? |
| 18:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i like the last bit, where they siphon off twinks and regular pvpers :P |
| 18:56.07 | Lopeppeppy | Says you can still convert downward to Valor and Heroism though. |
| 18:56.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: feat of strength! |
| 18:56.13 | nevcairiel | Adys: better finish that now =p |
| 18:56.15 | Adys | gtfo. |
| 18:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I mean by an incredibly elegant solution |
| 18:56.23 | ZorbaTHut | wondered how long it'd take them to split "25-man" and "heroic" concepts |
| 18:56.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: ah, wasn't sure what you were referring to :) |
| 18:56.32 | alestane | "Threat of Thassarian: New 3-point talent. When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, Blood Strikes and Frost Strikes have a 30/60/100% chance to also deal damage with your off-hand weapon. Off-hand strikes are roughly one half the effect of the original strike." |
| 18:56.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i like it, but the nomenclature is starting to make my head hurt. |
| 18:56.43 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: that IS a really nice solution |
| 18:56.48 | Dagmar | OKay, thst is win |
| 18:57.11 | Dagmar | It keeps the jackass twinks out of the way of people who'd like more reasonable PvP at the leveling stages |
| 18:57.26 | Dagmar | ...although I'm sure there's some who'll be willing to leave XP gain on for as long as they can |
| 18:57.27 | ZorbaTHut | "Randomly generated uncommon (green) and rare (blue) quality items in Wrath of the Lich King had stat values that were lower than intended. All Wrath of the Lich King uncommon and rare items with random suffixes ("of the Bear") have had their stat values increased significantly." |
| 18:57.37 | Dagmar | Drat |
| 18:57.40 | ZorbaTHut | good job guys, sure am glad you fixed that soon after release |
| 18:57.47 | Dagmar | HOpefulyl that won't mean they'll beat out crafted stuff now |
| 18:58.25 | nevcairiel | no-one ever used any randomly generated items, and probably no-one will start now =P |
| 18:59.27 | zenzelezz | I used them all the time |
| 18:59.27 | NightHawkTheSane | :o PoH got a bit of a nerf. |
| 18:59.27 | zenzelezz | when I was 40 |
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| 18:59.27 | zenzelezz | also, "of X Protection" were useful in a couple of cases in BC (mostly rings) |
| 19:00.05 | NightHawkTheSane | and they finally made healing way not fucking suck. |
| 19:01.43 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, "Vindication: Redesigned. Now lowers target attack power, is consistent and does not stack with Demoralizing Shout." |
| 19:02.09 | KarlKFI | yeah, that's kidna what they were going for witht he buff |
| 19:02.13 | KarlKFI | nerf* |
| 19:02.14 | NightHawkTheSane | "Quest creatures and objects will now show on the player's world map." o_0 |
| 19:02.26 | KarlKFI | I think the rest fo the ret changes are overall buff tho |
| 19:03.13 | KarlKFI | the double crit dmg on Seal of Vengeance will make that the must have seal |
| 19:03.48 | KarlKFI | it might be relegated to pve onyl cause you have to build a 5 stack, but it think it's gonna make pvp a lot more interesting |
| 19:04.03 | drfuzzykins | I wonder if Vindication is consistent with Demoralizing Shout or 5/5 Improved Demoralizing Shout |
| 19:04.03 | KarlKFI | cause if you still ont he same target long enoguha nd then pop trinkets you could blow them away |
| 19:04.44 | KarlKFI | cause if you stick on a target long enough and then pop trinkets you could blow them away |
| 19:05.20 | KarlKFI | so they got rid on command burstinessm, but gave it an overall dmg buff |
| 19:05.32 | KarlKFI | but i think the double vengence crit dmg is gonna be epic |
| 19:05.52 | alestane | Big heroic finisher, makes some sense for paladins. |
| 19:06.29 | alestane | "Enough! Too long you have evaded my call of justice! NOW FEEL MY WRATH!" |
| 19:06.33 | KarlKFI | aye. so arenas you'll just stick ont he healer and call for focus when you have 5 stacks up on him |
| 19:06.53 | KarlKFI | unless heaven forbid you can kill a healer yourself |
| 19:07.06 | KarlKFI | which would be unprecidented |
| 19:07.34 | drfuzzykins | Resilience will reduce all damage done, not just crits, too...crazy... |
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| 19:07.41 | KarlKFI | 40s stun cd and double crit dmg... man people are gonna QQ hard |
| 19:08.36 | drfuzzykins | yeah but how long does it take to get 5 stacks, and for how much of that time does your target need to be doing absolutely nothing but allowing you to stack it? |
| 19:08.50 | AckisWork | The existing achievements to collect 1, 25, 50, etc. Emblems of Heroism, Valor, and Conquest have been converted to Feats of Strength since Heroism and Valor Emblems are no longer attainable. |
| 19:09.21 | AckisWork | that confuses me |
| 19:09.25 | AckisWork | everything drops triumph |
| 19:09.31 | AckisWork | and you convert them into ? |
| 19:09.36 | drfuzzykins | everything drops Conquest |
| 19:09.44 | drfuzzykins | the newest things drop Triumph |
| 19:09.48 | NightHawkTheSane | AckisWork: ^^ |
| 19:09.55 | KarlKFI | drfuzzykins: stack haste |
| 19:09.56 | AckisWork | drfuzzykins: but you can convert conquest into valor/heroism? |
| 19:10.09 | drfuzzykins | You can right now, even |
| 19:10.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 19:10.30 | AckisWork | so The existing achievements to collect 1, 25, 50, etc. Emblems of Heroism, Valor, and Conquest have been converted to Feats of Strength since Heroism and Valor Emblems are no longer attainable. <-- the heroism/etc are attainable? |
| 19:10.34 | drfuzzykins | KarlKFI: For example, as a rogue, what if I just Cloak at 4 stacks? |
| 19:10.42 | drfuzzykins | there goes your whole burst strategy |
| 19:10.56 | KarlKFI | it's true. but i dont usually have problems with rogues :P |
| 19:11.06 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, they're not lootable |
| 19:11.11 | ZorbaTHut | the old achievements required looting |
| 19:11.13 | drfuzzykins | yeah now, but with burst reduction and a change to Resilience, I'm optimistic |
| 19:11.16 | alestane | But will Cloak of Shadows remove all stacks or one? |
| 19:11.20 | drfuzzykins | all |
| 19:11.28 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: ahh ok I didn't quite get that |
| 19:11.33 | AckisWork | I wonder what the new feats will be |
| 19:11.43 | KarlKFI | does it actually? cause tallented they're uncleansable |
| 19:11.50 | AckisWork | anyone know? aka do I get a feat for 1000 or just "has looted a emblem of heroism" |
| 19:11.59 | drfuzzykins | CloS doesn't dispel effects, it simply removes them. |
| 19:12.01 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if this is going to be a addon breaking patch |
| 19:12.22 | KarlKFI | it's gonna break DoubleWide and ClassColors :P |
| 19:12.31 | alestane | But noone will care. |
| 19:12.41 | drfuzzykins | goodbye to Informant and various addons that show vendor price :P |
| 19:12.45 | KarlKFI | and all the other quest addons |
| 19:12.57 | drfuzzykins | QuestHelper still has the Crazy Taxi arrow going for it |
| 19:13.04 | drfuzzykins | and choosing which quests you do next |
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| 19:13.15 | KarlKFI | no, i mean they will break if they modify the log |
| 19:13.28 | ZorbaTHut | I'll have to see how competent the Blizzard info is |
| 19:13.37 | drfuzzykins | the log's GUI is modified but is the API changed at all? |
| 19:13.49 | ZorbaTHut | I strongly suspect I'm going to end up pulling most info from Blizzard sources, then having a bunch of overrides for quests that behave differently |
| 19:14.30 | drfuzzykins | right, I saw that and simply figured it would be more accurate and even better |
| 19:14.38 | AckisWork | it looks like rating buster, item price DB, doublewide, and the char colourer stuff from chat mods are all redundant now? |
| 19:14.56 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, it remains to be seen if it gives as useful info as ratingbuster |
| 19:15.03 | drfuzzykins | RatingBuster? I missed that change... |
| 19:15.03 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect it just shows the two items side by side |
| 19:15.13 | ZorbaTHut | which isn't nearly as useful as giving an actual stat breakdown |
| 19:15.14 | drfuzzykins | oh, that's not even the point of RatingBuster |
| 19:15.24 | ZorbaTHut | (especially derived stats) |
| 19:15.30 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: true |
| 19:15.31 | NightHawkTheSane | it really remains to be seen what the implementation is |
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| 19:16.41 | Hasbro | Hi, I was curious if anyone knows of an up-to-date UI Designer? |
| 19:16.51 | drfuzzykins | Notepad++? |
| 19:17.06 | Hasbro | Designer ^ |
| 19:17.06 | AckisWork | The ravasaur trainer Mor'vek has returned to Un'Goro and will offer to help Horde players raise and train a Venomhide Ravasaur as a mount... if they can survive the creature's deadly poison. lol win |
| 19:17.11 | Hasbro | err, sorry I meant a designer |
| 19:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | There isn't one |
| 19:17.30 | Thunder_Child | "Ominous Clouds in the Yogg-Saron encounter are now more vocal about touching players." ...<creapy pedo voice>Hi Guys</creepy pedo voice> |
| 19:17.31 | Hasbro | poo |
| 19:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Whip out your favorite text editor and have at it |
| 19:17.38 | drfuzzykins | The AddOn Studio has one http://www.codeplex.com/AddOnStudio |
| 19:17.47 | alestane | If you mean something like a graphic frame layout tool, there's never been anything very good. |
| 19:17.50 | drfuzzykins | I dunno how active the project is anymore |
| 19:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't that mostly incomplete, semi buggy and never really produced good code in the first place? |
| 19:18.09 | drfuzzykins | pretty much |
| 19:18.28 | Hasbro | alestane, wow ui designer was decent at one point |
| 19:19.20 | drfuzzykins | really though, typing out your UI in text isn't that challenging once you get some experience |
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| 19:20.32 | Hasbro | why are all the tools written in c# :( - designer tools, such a pain |
| 19:21.31 | End | how funny, I told my guildies that they could simply change it so macros couldn't target totems by name, and they didn't believe me |
| 19:21.35 | End | WELL I TOLD YOU SO |
| 19:21.39 | End | ;-p |
| 19:21.46 | Hasbro | k |
| 19:21.47 | Hasbro | gj |
| 19:21.48 | Hasbro | +10 |
| 19:21.48 | Hasbro | :D |
| 19:21.50 | AckisWork | I AM SO HARD FOR 3.2!!!!!! |
| 19:21.58 | End | ~soften AckisWork |
| 19:22.08 | drfuzzykins | I'm loving every single change except 2v2 teams can't buy gear -_- |
| 19:22.17 | drfuzzykins | that's the only kind of time I havveeee |
| 19:22.36 | End | 2v2 tends to be skewed in all sorts of ways |
| 19:22.46 | drfuzzykins | yeah, I understand the rationale |
| 19:22.54 | AckisWork | Bibi`: can you hire me pls? :P |
| 19:23.03 | drfuzzykins | but I don't know any good PvPers so putting together a 3s team is going to be annoying |
| 19:23.04 | End | I wonder how many 5v5 versus 2v2 teams there are |
| 19:23.23 | End | It wouldn't surprise me if there were many times more 2v2 than 5v5 teams |
| 19:23.29 | drfuzzykins | I also find it odd that Rogues can now weild axes |
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| 19:23.35 | End | that is odd |
| 19:23.43 | drfuzzykins | well logically, there are more 2v2 teams than 5v5 teams no matter what |
| 19:23.46 | End | especially since...how many one-handed axes are there? |
| 19:23.48 | drfuzzykins | because 2 < 5 |
| 19:24.01 | End | well |
| 19:24.03 | End | yes |
| 19:24.23 | drfuzzykins | I think they added it simply as a way to make it easier for combat rogues to gear for swords |
| 19:24.24 | End | but, I think it's a lot more skewed than just the relationship of people |
| 19:24.26 | End | I should say |
| 19:24.36 | End | I wonder how many 5v5 players versus 2v2 players there are |
| 19:24.43 | End | I bet there's a hell of a lot more 2v2 players |
| 19:24.47 | drfuzzykins | it is, hence the change |
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| 19:25.07 | End | but how much? |
| 19:25.17 | drfuzzykins | shrugs. |
| 19:25.27 | Lunessa | * A customizable totem bar will now be available for shaman allowing the storing of 4 different totems. These totems can be placed on the ground at once in one global cooldown for the combined mana cost of all 4 totems. |
| 19:25.35 | Lunessa | I just had a shaman-gasm |
| 19:25.54 | End | that's cool, although I wonder about set up |
| 19:26.14 | End | is it basically something you drag totems onto before you go out to level or before you pull the raid boss? |
| 19:26.23 | drfuzzykins | I think it's pretty crazy that hunters can now drop three (!) traps at once |
| 19:26.34 | End | I wonder if we'll be able to make AddOns to have "totem sets" |
| 19:27.00 | Lunessa | I can see the YATA boys scrambling. |
| 19:27.23 | drfuzzykins | I'm pretty scared to fight a hunter who drops a Frost Trap, Explosive Trap, and Snake Trap at all once and I step on them. |
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| 19:29.10 | Dagmar | Because they'd be a dirty exploiter. |
| 19:29.21 | Dagmar | One. Trap. Per. Hunter. |
| 19:29.29 | drfuzzykins | Read. The. Patch. Notes. |
| 19:29.39 | drfuzzykins | Three per hunter. |
| 19:30.04 | Dagmar | Are these "upcoming" patch notes? |
| 19:30.09 | Dagmar | ...by which I mean "fiction"? |
| 19:30.16 | Lunessa | * Macros and scripts will no longer be able to target totems by name. |
| 19:30.26 | drfuzzykins | they're the official 3.2 patch notes o.O |
| 19:30.27 | KarlKFI | they're official |
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| 19:30.33 | End | they're on the website |
| 19:30.40 | End | as in worldofwarcraft.com |
| 19:30.44 | Lunessa | OMFG... Shaman might be more loved. |
| 19:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | As official as patch notes get, everything is subject to change during testing. |
| 19:31.48 | alestane | Ghostcrawler said in a Q&A recently; totem-stomping is okay, but sending your pet off to stomp every totem in sight with the press of a single button is kind of unfair. |
| 19:32.28 | drfuzzykins | physically making the choice to switch targets and kill a totem is certainly okay |
| 19:32.29 | Dagmar | I'll believe these notes when/if they hit live |
| 19:32.57 | End | he also said pets killing totems is also ok. it's the automagic that's bad |
| 19:33.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: they were posted by blue, and they came with the usual 'not even on ptr yet, things can change' caveat. so *shrug* :P |
| 19:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | They are true for the first day of the PTR, everything else is rolling dice. Go, join the PTR, give feedback, influence the change! :) |
| 19:34.08 | End | PTR isn't up yet ;-p |
| 19:34.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:34.26 | End | I think we -might- see it tomorrow though |
| 19:34.28 | Dagmar | Being that I played a Hunter and saw ammo chenge *daily* for almost two weeks non-stop, I don't believe notes that don't come with a binary diff modifying my game files. |
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| 19:37.08 | NightHawkTheSane | End: im betting on sometime next week |
| 19:37.18 | End | I think it's more likely too |
| 19:37.25 | End | but I don't think we'll see it today |
| 19:37.59 | Dagmar | At least they've figured out that it makes no sense that a fire should "entrap" someone |
| 19:38.11 | Dagmar | I can see getting stuck in an ice slick or being tangled up in snakes. |
| 19:38.23 | Dagmar | Fire is a bit less restrictive. |
| 19:41.23 | Hasbro | AddOnStudio is a piece of garbage |
| 19:41.25 | Hasbro | let me tell you |
| 19:41.55 | tekkub | oh BTW... http://www.nostockui.com/2009/06/14-questions-with-tekkub |
| 19:41.58 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 19:42.35 | alestane | !api HighlightTexture |
| 19:42.35 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'HighlightTexture': Button:SetHighlightTexture, Button:GetHighlightTexture |
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| 19:44.15 | End | tekkub: you look like jon stewart!? |
| 19:44.20 | End | ;-p |
| 19:44.23 | tekkub | hardly |
| 19:44.34 | tekkub | I told him to put up a dancing speedo tauren |
| 19:44.36 | tekkub | he wouldn't |
| 19:44.47 | alestane | !api Button:SetHighlightText |
| 19:44.47 | lua_bot | Button:SetHighlightTexture: Sets the highlight texture and blend mode for the button (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Button/SetHighlightTexture) |
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| 19:51.31 | drfuzzykins | I notice a lot of add-on users develop with git over mercurial, is that just a general *nix community convention or are there other reasons? |
| 19:51.47 | drfuzzykins | add-on makers, rather, not users :P |
| 19:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | windows has a very functional git client from what I understand |
| 19:52.55 | drfuzzykins | the mercurial one is much more so actually, the non-cygwin git is relatively new in comparison |
| 19:53.18 | drfuzzykins | there's even a TortoiseHg (but it has no support for Windows 7 x64 or MercurialQueues) but not TortoiseGit |
| 19:53.20 | Lunessa | tekkub: Interesting interview. |
| 19:53.40 | Hasbro | ScytheBlade1, not really |
| 19:53.44 | Hasbro | TortoiseGIT is annoying |
| 19:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | msgitsys or something |
| 19:54.00 | Hasbro | that's command line |
| 19:54.03 | drfuzzykins | yep |
| 19:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | msysgit |
| 19:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | No it has a gui |
| 19:54.12 | drfuzzykins | the mercurial command line program for windows works great |
| 19:54.13 | tekkub | tort git sucks last I saw :P |
| 19:54.14 | Dagmar | I thought Tourtoise was only SVN. |
| 19:54.18 | Dagmar | I guess theyv'e updated |
| 19:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It definitely has a GUI |
| 19:54.21 | Hasbro | TortoiseSVN is SVN |
| 19:54.25 | Hasbro | ScytheBlade1, no |
| 19:54.25 | tekkub | git gui works fine |
| 19:54.27 | Lunessa | Oh, and tekkub - I'd be happy to send you a game card - :P |
| 19:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh |
| 19:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 19:54.32 | tekkub | people just think it's "ugly" |
| 19:54.34 | ScytheBlade1 | My desktop, with the GUI open |
| 19:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Says otherwise |
| 19:54.37 | drfuzzykins | I'm just wondering if there's a reason people prefer git |
| 19:54.41 | Hasbro | ScytheBlade1 screenshot please |
| 19:54.42 | drfuzzykins | not really which Tortoise* apps are good :P |
| 19:54.44 | Dagmar | Fanatacism, mainly |
| 19:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 19:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | okay sec |
| 19:54.47 | Hasbro | ty |
| 19:55.19 | drfuzzykins | windows mercurial works great, bitbucket is basically github for mercurial (prettier imo actually) |
| 19:55.25 | drfuzzykins | Trac and Redmine support both |
| 19:55.35 | Hasbro | bitbucket is nice |
| 19:55.41 | Hasbro | so's git hub ofc |
| 19:55.43 | Aelobin | are they buffing stormjewels when the new epic gems come out? |
| 19:56.04 | Hasbro | Anyone into C++ here? :) |
| 19:56.07 | drfuzzykins | yeah, so it's just opinion? or a Linux community kind of thing? |
| 19:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | tekkub: link one of your repos real quick |
| 19:56.10 | tekkub | bitbucket's a ripoff of github, but I didn't say that :P |
| 19:56.19 | Hasbro | drfuzzykins, both |
| 19:56.34 | tekkub | every time we push out a new feature, bitbuck gets the *same feature a few weeks later, and it looks the same as githubs |
| 19:56.43 | drfuzzykins | eh, rip-off, who cares |
| 19:56.49 | tekkub | https://github.com/tekkub/buffet/tree |
| 19:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 19:56.57 | tekkub | drfuzzykins: some people in here do :P |
| 19:57.05 | Hasbro | ScytheBlade1, screenshot? |
| 19:57.15 | drfuzzykins | tekkub: Don't worry, I use my own Redmine setup and host my own repos. |
| 19:57.17 | Hasbro | tekkub, you work on github? |
| 19:57.29 | tekkub | yes, tech support :P |
| 19:57.33 | Hasbro | awesome |
| 19:57.38 | tekkub | lil bit of coding here and there |
| 19:57.53 | Hasbro | Github is really awesome, good work ;) |
| 19:57.56 | Hasbro | tell the team ^ |
| 19:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Hasbro: coming |
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| 19:59.07 | Hasbro | tekkub, know what would be funny? |
| 19:59.37 | Kraps | the changes are flying thick and fast from blizz |
| 20:00.06 | tekkub | exploding sheep? |
| 20:00.08 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 20:00.10 | Fisker | epic failure btw |
| 20:00.11 | tekkub | wait they did that already |
| 20:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | gimp is taking forever to load |
| 20:00.23 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, hmm? |
| 20:00.26 | Hasbro | no, if Github started hosting Mercurial repos |
| 20:00.27 | Hasbro | lol |
| 20:00.36 | tekkub | uhm, we don't need to |
| 20:00.41 | tekkub | we wrote hg-git |
| 20:00.44 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/WoWScrnShot_061909_044956.jpg |
| 20:00.49 | Hasbro | hg-git? |
| 20:00.49 | Lothaer | what you think? |
| 20:00.53 | tekkub | http://hg-git.github.com/ |
| 20:01.20 | drfuzzykins | nice |
| 20:01.29 | Thunder_Child | Lothaer, WTB more screen realestate |
| 20:01.35 | Hasbro | what is hg? |
| 20:01.37 | tekkub | Lothaer: too busy in the bottom/center |
| 20:01.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Hasbro: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/git-windows.png |
| 20:01.47 | Lothaer | yeah for some reason the image got shrunk :D |
| 20:01.56 | Hasbro | ScytheBlade1, oh weird |
| 20:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks come again? |
| 20:02.09 | Hasbro | I was talking about a |
| 20:02.13 | Hasbro | uhh, what's it called |
| 20:02.16 | Hasbro | right click context menu |
| 20:02.16 | Hasbro | lol |
| 20:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 20:02.21 | AckisWork | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-pictures-only-one-guinea-pig-has-good-camouflage.jpg lol |
| 20:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Shell integration |
| 20:02.29 | drfuzzykins | Hasbro: hg is the periodic table of elements symbol for mercury |
| 20:02.29 | Hasbro | right |
| 20:02.38 | Hasbro | ah, thanks drfuzzykins |
| 20:02.42 | Hasbro | clever |
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| 20:03.31 | drfuzzykins | Mercurial is lacking an equivalent to git submodules though |
| 20:03.39 | drfuzzykins | that's one feature I did note a difference in |
| 20:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Hasbro: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/git-win-shell-integration.png |
| 20:03.52 | tekkub | git submodules are shit though |
| 20:04.05 | Lothaer | tekkub: heres a larger image :D http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2926&d=1245354398 |
| 20:04.23 | Hasbro | ScytheBlade1, I like TortoiseGIT's shell integration better :) |
| 20:04.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That doesn't mean that git on windows doesn't exist, and that it doesn't have shell integration |
| 20:04.49 | drfuzzykins | with powershell as awesome as it is, I just use the command line tools for hg/git/svn |
| 20:05.00 | tekkub | Lothaer: still way too busy |
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| 20:05.37 | Hasbro | What, none of you guys use the default wow interface? xD kidding |
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| 20:05.50 | Pwntang | hi guys. I'm getting a unexpected symbol near '=' error on the following line of code: |
| 20:05.53 | Pwntang | if getglobal("bookkeeper_saved_data."..x.."."..z) == nil then getglobal("bookkeeper_saved_data."..x.."."..z) = 0 end; |
| 20:06.04 | Pwntang | can anyone see any issue with what I've done pls? |
| 20:06.09 | drfuzzykins | you can't set a global using getglobal() = |
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| 20:06.21 | End | use set global |
| 20:06.22 | End | er |
| 20:06.24 | End | setglobal |
| 20:06.26 | End | or better yet |
| 20:06.27 | End | _G |
| 20:06.30 | drfuzzykins | I would use _G[ ... ] = 0 |
| 20:06.31 | Pwntang | ah, ok |
| 20:06.43 | Kraps | whats the point of this? The newest season of Arena gear can only be purchased if you meet the requirements with your 3 or 5-player team rating. |
| 20:06.54 | Pwntang | _G is the same as setglobal()? |
| 20:07.05 | End | sort of |
| 20:07.12 | End | it's a table instead of function |
| 20:07.21 | drfuzzykins | _G[ ... ] gets a global, _G[ ... ] = value sets a global |
| 20:07.24 | tekkub | don't use *etglobal() :P |
| 20:07.46 | drfuzzykins | however, Pwntang, it looks like you could just do this: bookkeeper_saved_data[x][z] |
| 20:08.01 | End | not just could |
| 20:08.02 | End | should :P |
| 20:08.05 | drfuzzykins | ^ |
| 20:08.09 | Lothaer | how so tekk? |
| 20:08.13 | Dagmar | Kraps: Same as it's always been. Making the "hardcore" PvPers feel special |
| 20:08.17 | Pwntang | ok...that's good advice. thanks, I'll give it a try! |
| 20:08.36 | alestane | Kraps: I think it's to continue promoting group activity over small-scale in terms of rewards. |
| 20:08.44 | Dagmar | They complain endlessly when people are allowed to faceroll through battlegrounds and get the same gear they do in Arenas |
| 20:08.51 | End | well, there's that |
| 20:09.01 | Lothaer | in that image other than EBB and the carbonite quest watch its the same realestate as the default nUI |
| 20:09.03 | End | but also you end up with a glut of only a few classes in 2v2 it seems like |
| 20:09.04 | tekkub | Lothaer: uhm, 2 maps, 2 bars, far too much unneeded info on the units |
| 20:09.13 | Dagmar | End: Yeah, that's true |
| 20:09.15 | drfuzzykins | Kraps: I believe it's actually because 2v2 swings wildly in a few classes favor periodically, allowing them to much more easily get high rating. |
| 20:09.19 | alestane | GC said in his last Q&A that 2v2 seems really dominant in arena activity, maybe they're trying to lean on that a little. |
| 20:09.30 | End | well |
| 20:09.37 | Lothaer | the map on the right can change to eith recount or omen or combat log etc |
| 20:09.38 | tekkub | move one bar off to each side, put the minimap back where it was because you don't need to look at it often.. |
| 20:09.40 | Kraps | but won't this increase 3v3 and 5v5 attendance at the expense of killing 2v2? |
| 20:09.43 | End | it's probably a lot easier to get glad with 5v5 |
| 20:09.45 | Dagmar | Who would have ever thought it would be the two plate-wearing, blade swinging, self-healing spell caster classes? |
| 20:09.52 | End | bacause few people do 5v5 :P |
| 20:11.43 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/gallery/isle-of-conquest/2092548/ |
| 20:12.51 | drfuzzykins | Kraps: It won't kill 2v2. It's still going to have the same problem, and those favored classes can get high ratings for points in 2s, but qualify for gear using a lesser-ranked 3 or 5 |
| 20:13.25 | Hasbro | Where did |
| 20:13.28 | Hasbro | these pictures come from? |
| 20:13.46 | drfuzzykins | official site |
| 20:13.52 | Hasbro | didn't notice, hrm |
| 20:14.06 | Kraps | drfuzzykins: they dont use separate the ratings from different brackets? |
| 20:14.28 | Kraps | s/use// |
| 20:14.51 | Kraps | s/the// |
| 20:15.00 | Kraps | bah |
| 20:15.14 | drfuzzykins | Kraps: The point is, you can get your points from 2v2 by being 2000 rated with an OP comp, but have say a 1650 3v3 to actually qualify to get new season gear |
| 20:20.13 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 20:20.26 | Fisker | that retarded c64 emulator is just a wrapper for a free c64 emulator |
| 20:20.45 | Fisker | which makes me lol |
| 20:20.57 | Dagmar | Please join the rest of us in the 21st century |
| 20:21.21 | Kraps | There is a now a 20-minute timer on this Battleground. After that time, the team with the most flag captures wins. (wsg) |
| 20:21.22 | Kraps | The game now ends when one team reaches 1600 victory points, down from 2000. (eots, ab) |
| 20:21.28 | Fisker | i already joiner your mom in the 21st century |
| 20:21.29 | Kraps | hot damn |
| 20:22.29 | drfuzzykins | 1600 is such a weird number, couldn't they have just increased the rate of point ticks? |
| 20:22.30 | Kraps | Any dungeons that previously dropped Emblems of Heroism or Valor, such as Naxxramas or Heroic Halls of Stone, will now drop Emblems of Conquest instead. Emblems of Conquest can still be converted to Valor or Heroism. |
| 20:22.44 | Kraps | ...i dont even know what to say |
| 20:22.53 | End | hm |
| 20:23.01 | End | it's barely worth wondering about |
| 20:23.18 | End | but I wonder if converting emblems counts for the 1000 achievement |
| 20:23.42 | Kraps | end * New achievements have been added to collect various amounts of any combination of emblems. |
| 20:23.46 | End | oh |
| 20:23.49 | End | I didn't see that |
| 20:24.01 | Kraps | The cast time for summoning any ground mount is now 1.5 seconds, down from 3 seconds. this is epic |
| 20:24.02 | End | are they removing the old achievmenets then? |
| 20:24.12 | Kraps | doesnt say |
| 20:24.13 | drfuzzykins | also, the answer was no, the current achievements count only looted emblems |
| 20:24.33 | Kraps | Flying over Dalaran and Wintergrasp is now possible so long as players keep a healthy distance above the ground. |
| 20:24.40 | Kraps | wootness |
| 20:24.56 | End | I wonder what healthy is ;-p |
| 20:25.15 | Kraps | mp5 from items is increased |
| 20:25.53 | Dagmar | End: I suppose "2x fatal falling height" is probably good |
| 20:26.13 | Kraps | Resilience: No longer reduces the amount of damage done by damage-over-time spells, but instead reduces the amount of all damage done by players by the same proportion. |
| 20:26.30 | Dagmar | I suppose anything beats coming back to your computer to realize you just got dismounted by Dalaran while you were a fifty jillion feet up, and have now been damned to spend the next 20 minutes riding a parachute to the far side of Sholazar |
| 20:26.44 | End | I've done that |
| 20:26.46 | Kraps | Replenishment: This buff now grants 1% of the target's maximum mana over 5 seconds instead of 0.25% per second. |
| 20:27.00 | drfuzzykins | Dagmar: I usually cancel the chute and pay the cost. Screw that. |
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| 20:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | nerf |
| 20:27.30 | drfuzzykins | Kraps: That's a nerf btw :P |
| 20:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | jerks =[ |
| 20:27.42 | Kraps | so i hear |
| 20:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | drfuzzykins: a tiny one though |
| 20:27.56 | End | yeah, it's .2% per second now |
| 20:28.07 | End | er wait, is that right? |
| 20:28.11 | drfuzzykins | yeah |
| 20:28.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 20:28.16 | drfuzzykins | It adds up though, over time |
| 20:28.16 | End | ok, good |
| 20:28.19 | Kraps | my priest is annoying anyway :( |
| 20:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | combined with the mp5 change, i dont expect it to significantly affect me |
| 20:28.25 | End | I confuse myself with math sometimes |
| 20:28.35 | End | you play...a priest? |
| 20:28.43 | End | or what? |
| 20:29.07 | Kraps | who? |
| 20:29.12 | End | NHTS |
| 20:29.16 | Dagmar | Not eveyrone uses mana you know |
| 20:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | End: huh? no.. |
| 20:29.40 | End | what class are you then? |
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| 20:29.47 | NightHawkTheSane | resto shaman, and i have a holy pally alt |
| 20:29.51 | End | oh, shaman |
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| 20:30.04 | End | I fail ;p |
| 20:30.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yes :) |
| 20:30.44 | Kraps | priests get straight nerfs anyway :( |
| 20:30.50 | Kraps | Prayer of Healing: The percentage of spell power this spell gains in healing (per target) has been reduced from 80.7% to 52.6%. |
| 20:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | poh was disturbingly powerful anyway |
| 20:31.09 | Kraps | make a sucky spell suckier |
| 20:31.26 | Kraps | Penance: Cooldown increased to 12 seconds, up from 10 seconds. |
| 20:31.36 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.49 | End | that might be better |
| 20:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a huge buff |
| 20:32.06 | AckisWork | the poh nerf is retarded |
| 20:32.07 | Kraps | yeah? |
| 20:32.08 | End | it's certainly better for clothies |
| 20:32.21 | Kraps | lol After much quiet contemplation, rogues now possess the ability to learn how to use one-handed axes. |
| 20:32.34 | End | but usually clothies only care about physical damage for pvp |
| 20:33.03 | Kraps | Ancestral Healing: The buff from this ability now reduces the physical damage taken by the target by 3/7/10% instead of increasing the target's armor. |
| 20:33.21 | Kraps | shammys get nice this this time around |
| 20:33.22 | End | actually, yeah, no way increasing armor could be as good as a flat 10% physical |
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| 20:33.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
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| 20:33.30 | NightHawkTheSane | End: exactly |
| 20:33.33 | Kraps | *things |
| 20:33.40 | drfuzzykins | rogues, axes, I'm just not feeling it :/ |
| 20:33.54 | End | I can picture an orc rogue with an axe |
| 20:34.04 | Kraps | drfuzzykins: "quiet contemplation" |
| 20:34.08 | End | especially a throwing axe |
| 20:34.13 | End | but of course |
| 20:34.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i can picture the item designers getting less headaches over what kind of 1h dps weapons to drop |
| 20:34.14 | drfuzzykins | a throwing axe sure |
| 20:34.17 | End | throwing weapons are different |
| 20:34.24 | End | well, we get how many one handed axes now? |
| 20:34.32 | End | and how many of them aren't for tanking? |
| 20:34.42 | drfuzzykins | there's only one tanking axe |
| 20:34.57 | Kraps | Armored to the Teeth: This talent now provides 1/2/3 attack power per 108 armor, up from per 180 armor. |
| 20:35.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't be surprised to see swords become the dominant tanking weapon, and axes the dominant dps weapon |
| 20:35.09 | Kraps | thats it /sigh |
| 20:35.11 | End | there's 4 one handed axes |
| 20:35.14 | End | 3 of them are for tanking |
| 20:35.20 | NightHawkTheSane | with a few maces/fists sprinkled in for flavor |
| 20:35.28 | End | (excluding pvp axes) |
| 20:35.38 | End | and only including epic axes |
| 20:35.43 | drfuzzykins | Fist/Dagger is the perferred combat rogue spec right now, because itemization is way better than sword (and now axe) |
| 20:35.47 | Kraps | # Character name auto-completion for the chat frame, pop-ups, and mail interface can be enabled through an interface option in the Development settings. |
| 20:35.49 | Kraps | # Character names can now be colorized according to class in the chat frame through an interface option in the Development settings. |
| 20:35.51 | Kraps | zomg Prat thieves |
| 20:36.01 | End | ChatIcons > all |
| 20:36.07 | Kraps | Item Comparisons: Holding the shift key while hovering over an item will now display the stat differences with the item currently equipped in the relevant slot. |
| 20:36.08 | End | er whatever Tem's addon was called |
| 20:36.10 | NightHawkTheSane | right, because prat was the -only- addon to do those things :P |
| 20:36.11 | Kraps | HAHAHA |
| 20:36.31 | Kraps | The quest log is now double-paned for more easily viewing quest information. |
| 20:36.38 | Kraps | I LOVE THIS |
| 20:36.44 | Kraps | NO MORE ADDONS |
| 20:36.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, welcome to an hour ago |
| 20:36.53 | drfuzzykins | Kraps: Blizzard has never implemented addon features into the default UI before |
| 20:36.59 | End | -never- |
| 20:37.00 | End | ever |
| 20:37.17 | Kraps | this is a lot at a time though |
| 20:38.01 | NightHawkTheSane | and most of them are fairly minor |
| 20:38.05 | Kraps | and ive only been playing since the end of bc |
| 20:38.18 | Kraps | close to the end |
| 20:38.31 | drfuzzykins | really, it doesn't affect anyone |
| 20:38.42 | drfuzzykins | Prat still does tons of other things (and has more than class-colors as an option for names) |
| 20:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | drfuzzykins: well, i'll stop using doublewide, most likely :P |
| 20:39.14 | drfuzzykins | okay, not "anyone" :P |
| 20:39.30 | Kraps | 25-player raids will no longer be referred to as heroic versions of a raid, as there is a new distinction between normal and heroic modes for both 10 and 25-player versions of the Crusaders' Coliseum. |
| 20:39.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but yes, most people making significant chat mods will keep using their mod of choice. |
| 20:39.50 | Dagmar | Kraps: THat one is a bit suspect |
| 20:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: eh? |
| 20:40.47 | Kraps | bbl |
| 20:41.56 | Dagmar | I'm sure they've got it worked out so that the Crusader's Coliseum stuff makes sense, but they're not really communicating it well |
| 20:42.15 | drfuzzykins | how so? |
| 20:42.19 | NeoTron | what's difficult to understand? |
| 20:42.23 | drfuzzykins | There's 10-man and 25-man, normal and heroic for each |
| 20:42.48 | Dagmar | So what's that got to do with *other* raid locations then |
| 20:43.05 | drfuzzykins | they'll change others to match (with no heroic modes) so it's less confusing |
| 20:43.05 | NightHawkTheSane | not much other than perhaps a nomenclature change |
| 20:43.06 | NeoTron | naming change |
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| 20:43.49 | Adys | 3.2 ptr out yet? |
| 20:43.56 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 20:43.57 | Dagmar | Maybe now the kiddies will give up claiming 25 is that much harder |
| 20:43.59 | Adys | k |
| 20:44.35 | NeoTron | Dagmar: 25 man is that much harder.. in Ulduar |
| 20:44.36 | End | it's harder to get 25 people together, but 10 you don't have full buff coverage |
| 20:44.40 | End | shrugs. |
| 20:44.50 | Dagmar | 10 is less forgiving because of the lack of redundancy of player function |
| 20:44.53 | NeoTron | 10 man ulduar, normal or hard mode, is clearly a lot easier than 25 man |
| 20:45.02 | drfuzzykins | My 10-man group blew through Ulduar 10 as compared to 25 |
| 20:45.09 | End | well, 10man is tuned for 10man gear |
| 20:45.13 | End | 25man is tuned for 25man gear |
| 20:45.20 | Dagmar | THat and the chances are you had 10 clued people |
| 20:45.27 | NeoTron | Dagmar: 10 man is MORE forgiving since they can't assume you have everything |
| 20:45.32 | kneeki | I'm with Dagmar on this one |
| 20:45.43 | Dagmar | NeoTron: You can't lose two healers in 10man and get away with it, for instance. |
| 20:45.48 | NeoTron | and to take Yogg as an example - 10 man is absolutely trivial in comparision |
| 20:45.53 | End | yeah, our average quality in our 25man is lower I'd say :P |
| 20:45.55 | Dagmar | I've been to 10-man and 25-mans many times now |
| 20:46.04 | drfuzzykins | Dagmar: The chance of losing 2 healers in 10-man is significantly lower |
| 20:46.12 | NeoTron | there's really no argument that 10 man is a lot easier in every way |
| 20:46.15 | Dagmar | The redundancy in 25-mans makes it considerably harder to get wiped by losing someone important |
| 20:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: er.. you couldn't lose ~5 healers ina 25 man and get away with it.. soo.. i dont see your point |
| 20:46.34 | NeoTron | last night my guildies did hard mode freya (+3 that is) in about an hour for the first time, without, for example, fort |
| 20:46.43 | Dagmar | drfuzzykins: But if you lose them, that's likely all your healers, and it's a wipe |
| 20:46.59 | drfuzzykins | That's a lot of "if" |
| 20:47.01 | Dagmar | ...and for god's sake there's more than just f**king Ulduar 25-man people. |
| 20:47.03 | NeoTron | that argument makes no sense however |
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| 20:47.19 | NeoTron | it's easier to lose 5 people in many 25 man encounters than 2 man in 10 mans |
| 20:47.33 | Aqua | barons runeblade before deathchargers reigns..... aint that some crazy math |
| 20:47.47 | NeoTron | I think we can all agree that this statement (25 man > 10 man in difficulty) was not true for pre-ulduar |
| 20:47.50 | NightHawkTheSane | not really, they probably have a similar drop rate |
| 20:47.51 | NeoTron | and no one said that it was |
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| 20:48.14 | Dagmar | Yet every time I turn around, someone's citing 25-man Ulduar like it's the only content left in the game. |
| 20:48.19 | End | wowhead thinks the runeblade has a significantly lower drop rate |
| 20:48.29 | End | (1% for mount versus 0.1% for runeblade) |
| 20:48.36 | NeoTron | Ulduar changed the game to what it should be - 25 man > 10 man in difficulty, in every case pretty much |
| 20:48.52 | NeoTron | the main difference is that 10 man has much more lenient dps requirements |
| 20:48.55 | NightHawkTheSane | End: oh? i thought runeblade had a better drop rate than that |
| 20:48.56 | Dagmar | Yeah I'll grant you that on Ulduar |
| 20:49.02 | drfuzzykins | Ulduar 10 has a greater quantity of awful rewards too, at least for tanks. |
| 20:49.04 | NeoTron | I mean we did our first hard mode kill (first try) of Hodir in 25 man with a minute to spare |
| 20:49.05 | Aqua | i'm on run like 565 and first runeblade i've seen, and still no mount |
| 20:49.05 | End | Actually, I thought it did too |
| 20:49.11 | End | but I went and looked :P |
| 20:49.24 | End | I figured they'd both be 1%, but alas, apparently not |
| 20:49.26 | NeoTron | s/25/10/ |
| 20:49.27 | NeoTron | of course |
| 20:49.40 | NeoTron | I would like to see how many people do 25 man hodir in 2 minutes |
| 20:49.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Scify (n=scifi_ru@85.234.7.42.info-link.ru) |
| 20:49.57 | harl | awful=awesome ? |
| 20:50.00 | Scify | hi all |
| 20:50.11 | Scify | i want many girls |
| 20:50.13 | Scify | sex |
| 20:50.24 | harl | no, you don't. |
| 20:50.32 | End | he probably does |
| 20:50.37 | End | but why the hell he's looking here I have no idea |
| 20:50.46 | Dagmar | Because that's what trolls do. |
| 20:50.55 | Scify | this is sex channel? |
| 20:50.57 | krka | yay, visit from borat |
| 20:51.10 | Scify | porno forever |
| 20:51.12 | NeoTron | krka: pretty much what I was thinking |
| 20:51.30 | Dagmar | krka: No, it's probably some idjit 14-year-old in socal |
| 20:51.32 | Scify | i am russian member)))) my member is cool |
| 20:51.46 | harl | your member stinks. |
| 20:52.02 | Scify | fuck you |
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| 20:52.07 | harl | no, thanks. |
| 20:52.30 | NeoTron | Dagmar: nah this dude is from .ru. doubt someone from socal would log on via a russian proxy |
| 20:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 20:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | who to poke |
| 20:53.12 | Scify | okey i am go jack Knob)) |
| 20:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: Shirik|Ghost: b& |
| 20:53.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm almost amused in a 'retards are amusing' sort of way. |
| 20:54.01 | NightHawkTheSane | oh well, off to the store. |
| 20:54.18 | harl | hf |
| 20:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, fail |
| 20:54.54 | Dagmar | NeoTron: What are you, high? |
| 20:54.59 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: poke |
| 20:55.03 | *** part/#wowuidev Scify (n=scifi_ru@85.234.7.42.info-link.ru) |
| 20:55.05 | Dagmar | I've got a list of like 200+ open proxies |
| 20:55.09 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 20:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | widgertick: never mind |
| 20:55.29 | Dagmar | If you are *share*. I'm out. |
| 20:55.43 | drfuzzykins | I think Dagmar's been drinking too much haterade today. |
| 20:56.10 | Dagmar | It's seeing the phrase "Scify" |
| 20:56.25 | Dagmar | Someone at Sci-Fi Network management thought it would be a good idea to cchange their name to hat |
| 20:56.29 | Dagmar | s/hat/that/; |
| 20:56.47 | Dagmar | Nevermind that spelling it like that is an insult to every literate science fiction fan around. |
| 20:57.27 | NeoTron | except you're wrong :P |
| 20:58.00 | Dagmar | Oh wait yeah it's "Syfy" isn't it |
| 20:58.03 | Dagmar | The mind just reels |
| 20:58.11 | NeoTron | it's Syfy |
| 20:58.16 | drfuzzykins | Ys are much cooler than Is |
| 20:58.30 | NeoTron | Retarded is what it is though, that much I can agree on |
| 20:58.41 | NeoTron | it should have been ZyfyxXx |
| 20:58.57 | drfuzzykyns | you forgot the xXx at the beginning of the name |
| 20:58.58 | Dagmar | Anyway, what hostname someone has doesn't really prove much of anything other htan they have access to a hostname |
| 21:00.46 | Dagmar | There's just tooooo many open relays and proxies out there on the internet, particular in craphole places like .ru |
| 21:01.15 | Dagmar | drfuzzykins: I thought that xXx meant he was asian |
| 21:01.45 | NeoTron | btw he wandered off to #wowace now |
| 21:02.02 | drfuzzykins | I was under the impression it indicated you are Vin Diesel |
| 21:02.03 | NeoTron | almsot feel like starting up the sex in there to see what he does |
| 21:02.11 | Dagmar | He'll hit a channel with a G in it soon enough I guess |
| 21:02.51 | Dagmar | drfuzzykins: lol |
| 21:06.43 | Dagmar | btw, should you need to find proxies for um, whatever... xroxy.com |
| 21:07.06 | Dagmar | Maybe eventually enough people will get a clue that they won't be able to list anything--and then they'll have achieved what they set out to do. |
| 21:10.05 | Lunessa | Active Directory is all well and good - until you need to use a non-Microsoft product in conjunction with it. |
| 21:10.21 | Codayus | Lunessa: This is true. |
| 21:10.52 | Codayus | Well, it's true if the non-Microsoft product is OS X. I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation in conjuction with Linux or other non-Apple non-Microsoft products. |
| 21:11.18 | Lunessa | goes back to trying to untie the Goridan Knot of AD, SOPHOS, DLO, and custom ORACLE authentication. |
| 21:11.38 | Codayus | Ooh, that sounds extra fun. |
| 21:11.46 | Hirsute | cheers Lunessa on. |
| 21:12.04 | Codayus | Of course, I don't know what one of those even is... |
| 21:12.13 | Lunessa | And it all started because someone needs to change their userid... |
| 21:12.26 | Cruciformer | passes Lunesa a bottle of Scotch |
| 21:12.35 | End | puts gin in Lunessa's coffee cup |
| 21:13.10 | AbsolutRayne | rawr |
| 21:13.12 | Lunessa | DLO is "Desktop Laptop Option" from Symantec and it's our new server-based backup/restore system. |
| 21:13.16 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 21:13.26 | Codayus | Hm |
| 21:14.08 | Codayus | I'm provisionally prepared to assume that *anything* from Symantec A) blows chunks, and B) is designed as part of a fiendish plot to drive civilization firmly - and finally - over the edgle into anarchy and chaos. |
| 21:14.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (n=muffins@68.57.187.183) |
| 21:15.10 | Lunessa | Actually, it's not so bad - except for this messy bit about not letting me add a new user for an account which has been renamed in Active Directory. |
| 21:15.34 | Codayus | Heh. |
| 21:15.45 | Cruciformer | Codayus: *gasp* surely you cant mean that it takes LESS than 400 Terabytes of installation to get a software firewall and anti-virus installed? |
| 21:15.59 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Saw someone in some comments complaining that the new upgraded squire will take away the uniqueness of the Engineer's portable bank. Engineers have a portable bank? |
| 21:17.02 | Codayus | The new squire is going to act like a bank? |
| 21:17.05 | Codayus | Link? |
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| 21:18.19 | Lunessa | The patch notes says mailing and banking errands. |
| 21:18.48 | Codayus | Huh, must have missed that. |
| 21:19.11 | Codayus | I was about three-quarters asleep at the time. :-) |
| 21:21.13 | Pwntang | can anyone tell me how to capitalise the first letter of a string value please? |
| 21:21.36 | Shadowed | Shirik: you there |
| 21:21.39 | Pwntang | I've been trying to use str=str:gsub("^%l", string.upper) |
| 21:21.48 | Pwntang | but it isn't working in WoW for some reason |
| 21:21.59 | Shadowed | actually nevermind |
| 21:23.35 | nicoli_s | pwntang, get the first letter of the string, and capitalize it and save it to a var, then use substr to remove the first letter and then append them |
| 21:24.10 | Cruciformer | lua> local str="test"; str:gsub("(^.).*", string.upper); print (str) |
| 21:24.10 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: test |
| 21:24.18 | Cruciformer | guess not |
| 21:24.54 | Cruciformer | lua> local str="test"; str:gsub("(.).*", string.upper); print (str) |
| 21:24.54 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: test |
| 21:26.40 | Pwntang | try my original |
| 21:26.50 | Cruciformer | you try it |
| 21:26.51 | Pwntang | it works in the lua interpreter, just not in WoW |
| 21:26.53 | Pwntang | how? |
| 21:27.08 | Cruciformer | put lua> first in a message and type out your scriptlet |
| 21:27.22 | Hirsute | lua> local str="test" str=str:gsub("^%l",string.upper) |
| 21:27.22 | lua_bot | Hirsute: No output |
| 21:27.43 | Hirsute | lua> local str="test" str=str:gsub("^%l",string.upper) print(str) |
| 21:27.44 | lua_bot | Hirsute: Test |
| 21:27.45 | Pwntang | lua> local str="test"; str:gsub("^%l", string.upper); print (str) |
| 21:27.45 | lua_bot | Pwntang: test |
| 21:28.06 | Pwntang | lua> local str="test"; str:gsub("^%l",string.upper); print (str) |
| 21:28.06 | lua_bot | Pwntang: test |
| 21:28.38 | Pwntang | lua> local str="test" str=str:gsub("^%l", string.upper); print (str) |
| 21:28.38 | lua_bot | Pwntang: Test |
| 21:29.10 | Pwntang | strange |
| 21:29.11 | Cruciformer | btw can u also /msg lua_bit stuff so we dont clutter the channel with stuff we want to experiment with? |
| 21:29.27 | Pwntang | it doesn't behave in the same way within WoW |
| 21:30.53 | Cruciformer | actually it just worked perfectly for me in wow |
| 21:33.01 | Pwntang | I'm using local strz = z:gsub("^&l", string.upper) where x = "gold" "silver" or "copper" |
| 21:33.23 | Pwntang | if I do print(strz) I get no upper case chars |
| 21:33.27 | Aqua | hey is it better when using the blizzard interface options panel to create your buttons purely in lua or do a combonation of lua / xml? |
| 21:33.36 | Cruciformer | chnge the & to a % perhaps? |
| 21:34.16 | Hasbro | % = like? |
| 21:34.25 | Pwntang | nice typo.....what a nob I am |
| 21:34.27 | Hasbro | oh, misread |
| 21:36.33 | kneeki | Aqua: I do as much as I can using Lua |
| 21:37.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Aqua: whatever you prefer, there's very little difference |
| 21:38.12 | Aqua | all my previous stuff has been straght lua as much as I could, i'm dabbling with xml now |
| 21:38.16 | Aqua | thanks |
| 21:41.02 | Cruciformer | is there anything you can do in xml that you cant in lua or vice versa? ive used lua exclusively so far. |
| 21:41.16 | Hirsute | Not that I'm aware of |
| 21:42.06 | Cruciformer | (except for the creation of named templates) |
| 21:42.08 | Aqua | I've seen people do it both ways, being new to lua, i wondered if there was an advantage |
| 21:42.19 | NightHawkTheSane | dynamic creation of frames can't be done in xml, afaik |
| 21:42.43 | Aqua | I actually new the dynamic part, because I've asked that once before |
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| 21:43.27 | NeoTron | so there you have it |
| 21:43.42 | NeoTron | XML exclusive is frame templates. Lua exclusive is dynamic frames |
| 21:44.06 | NeoTron | advantage to Lua is that you don't have to write XML! :) |
| 21:44.15 | KarlKFI | Aqua, you could use Portfolio to do it with lua tables if you wanted. |
| 21:44.21 | NeoTron | although primarily it's the dynamic frames I'd say |
| 21:45.03 | p3lim | I need some strings translated from english to german, please PM me |
| 21:45.25 | Cruciformer | this may be more of an indication of how my brain works than a lack in the XML stuff but I found it much easier to get fine-grained placement right in Lua than XML, as well as easier to attach scripts to events. |
| 21:46.05 | KarlKFI | XML is good for hierarchy. Lua is good for abstraction |
| 21:46.23 | NeoTron | it's more logical to me to work with it on a code basis |
| 21:46.24 | Cruciformer | NeoTron: same. |
| 21:47.27 | Aelobin | any ETA on 3.2 yet? |
| 21:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | not soon |
| 21:52.52 | kneeki | I'd assume quite a ways away, since Ulduar was just released |
| 21:53.27 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if by 'just' you mean two months ago.. |
| 21:54.09 | kneeki | Two months is still not very long |
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| 21:54.21 | kneeki | Since 3.2 will be a new 'tier' of gear from what I understand |
| 21:55.12 | Hirsute | Looks like it will be. New emblems will drop and they're getting rid of Heroism and Valour emblem drops. |
| 21:55.20 | NightHawkTheSane | it will, although i'd be surprised to see 'tier 9' so to speak |
| 21:55.20 | kneeki | yup |
| 21:55.37 | drfuzzykins | with only 5 bosses in the instance, I'm expecting it to be more of a T8.5 |
| 21:55.46 | kneeki | Why not? Tier 8.5 Chest/Helm will become welfare gear once 3.2 goes live |
| 21:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | unless there's a significant amount of unannounced content, i just dont see there being enough there for it to be a full tier. Plus, there's a pattern of 3 tiers of gear per 'expansion'.. and its a decent bet that Arthas/Icecrown citadel will house the final tier. |
| 21:57.19 | kneeki | true that |
| 21:57.20 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.32 | kneeki | Dagmar: They already announced it |
| 21:57.42 | drfuzzykins | Dagmar: He means it's obtainable through Emblems, which are obtainable through non-raid means. |
| 21:57.45 | Dagmar | ...and since there's all those BoE purples coming out of Ulduar now it barely matters |
| 21:57.46 | End | only two pieces are "welfare" |
| 21:57.49 | kneeki | Heroic dungeons + Naxx will be dropping Emblem of Conquests |
| 21:58.01 | End | besides the two that are already emalon drops |
| 21:58.06 | Dagmar | Oh now the emblems are welfare now? |
| 21:58.11 | kneeki | yup |
| 21:58.19 | End | run heroics to get conq emblems |
| 21:58.20 | drfuzzykins | you can pug heroics to get T8-25 gear. |
| 21:58.54 | Dagmar | You can get Emblems of Conquest outside of Ulduar? |
| 21:59.01 | kneeki | Once 3.2 goes live, yes |
| 21:59.01 | NightHawkTheSane | you will in 3.2 |
| 21:59.02 | VonhintenHOME` | VoA |
| 21:59.12 | NightHawkTheSane | but voa-25 give them for emalon |
| 21:59.13 | kneeki | And VoA, of course |
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| 21:59.40 | Dagmar | I'm not sure that really rates as welfar considering the number of times you'd have to win the drop |
| 22:00.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine the emblem change is a way to open up the content to more people |
| 22:00.07 | Hirsute | Dagmar: *nod* but *after* 3.2, you'll get Emblems of Conquest from heroics. |
| 22:00.10 | kneeki | Aye |
| 22:00.18 | NightHawkTheSane | once 3,2 is out it wont be 'current' content anymore, so no real big deal |
| 22:00.19 | Dagmar | Hirsuite: That's just going to seem weird |
| 22:00.40 | Dagmar | Makes me think heroism or valor might be disappearing soon |
| 22:00.41 | End | did they say which badge gives the epic gems? |
| 22:01.06 | kneeki | End: I don't think it will matter. Y ou can buy any emblem using Conquests |
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| 22:01.11 | kneeki | 1:1 |
| 22:01.31 | NightHawkTheSane | kneeki: it could be the new top end token, though, triumph :P |
| 22:01.32 | End | it matters for existing badges :P |
| 22:01.48 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, they'll be purchaesd for emblems of heroism |
| 22:01.51 | Hirsute | Dagmar: They are. They won't drop anywhere any more, you can trade down if you want, but they won't drop anymore. |
| 22:01.53 | End | oh ok |
| 22:01.58 | NightHawkTheSane | (or honor, or prospected, or transmuted) |
| 22:02.09 | End | I have a large number of valorous badges |
| 22:02.10 | Dagmar | I might as well drill holes through them and wear them as earrings |
| 22:02.15 | Dagmar | I never remember to spend the damn things |
| 22:02.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd look hot, i'm sure |
| 22:02.28 | Dagmar | ...at least not before they've become useless. |
| 22:02.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been buying heriloom items :P |
| 22:02.45 | Dagmar | I've got >300 of those stone things |
| 22:02.56 | Coren{de} | anyone know if there's some event or function to find out what the result of a trade was, or is the only way to track all TRADE_* and bookkeep until TRADE_CLOSE? |
| 22:02.56 | Hirsute | There's literally no upgrades for me for Valour tokens now. There is one for Heroism tokens (a trinket), but the rest of my upgrades are drops, or Conquest bought. |
| 22:03.41 | End | right now, my best use for valour is to downgrade...looks like come 3.2 that'll still be the case |
| 22:03.55 | End | there's the BoEs of course too |
| 22:04.02 | End | but too many people are trying to sell those |
| 22:04.23 | VonhintenHOME` | They're still going for 700g ish on my server |
| 22:04.35 | VonhintenHOME` | which is better gold than downgrading for gems |
| 22:05.04 | End | someone was trying to sell one of them for like 250g |
| 22:05.10 | End | but, maybe it was a shitty one |
| 22:05.15 | End | I didn't look that hard |
| 22:05.18 | Lunessa | Well, at least you can buy Frozen Orbs and Gems with them. |
| 22:10.48 | VonhintenHOME` | ouch kitty dps nerfs |
| 22:10.56 | Coren{de} | yay, found it... GetTradePlayerItemLink/GetTradeTargetItemLink after Accept-event :) now to find out who the other player is... |
| 22:11.00 | Dagmar | I buy frozen orbs with money |
| 22:11.06 | Dagmar | No wait... No I don't. |
| 22:11.12 | Duman | man |
| 22:11.13 | Dagmar | I've got like 40 of those damn things stockpiled. |
| 22:11.20 | Duman | mad changes in 3.2 |
| 22:11.41 | VonhintenHOME` | oooh, arcane blast mana cost reduced by 12%! I like! |
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| 22:13.00 | VonhintenHOME` | blessing of sanc 10% stam bonus is leet |
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| 22:13.45 | Kraps | i gave 12 or 13 frozen orbs |
| 22:13.56 | Kraps | s/gave/have/ |
| 22:14.04 | Dagmar | What we need is a minigame of marbles that we can play with Frozen Orbs |
| 22:14.14 | Kraps | yeah! |
| 22:14.41 | Dagmar | Kraps: There's a degree to which if I didn't login to three accounts without fail each week, I'd lose several thousane gold |
| 22:15.14 | Kraps | selling orbs? |
| 22:15.17 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iioJ0UY4JHM - I'm such an easy mark for marketers... |
| 22:15.31 | Dagmar | Kraps: I have rather insane levels of stockpiled materials |
| 22:15.59 | Kraps | in other news |
| 22:16.01 | Kraps | People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, calling it an âexecution,â wants the commander-in-chief to show a little more compassion to even âthe least sympathetic animals.â |
| 22:16.28 | Dagmar | I buy them when they drop below a certain level, and lately I've been lazy about converting them to gear for people |
| 22:16.29 | Kraps | and they wonder why they're a laughingstock |
| 22:16.38 | kd3 | wtfs at the 3.2 patch notes |
| 22:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: mana from scorch! |
| 22:17.02 | Dagmar | So, 30-50 frozen orbs, probably 100-150 waters, 60-80 fires, etc etc |
| 22:17.14 | Dagmar | I gotta keep the mail tumbling back and forth |
| 22:17.18 | Kraps | Dagmar: you buy em? |
| 22:17.22 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 22:17.42 | Hirsute | Kraps: Wait, what's an execution? |
| 22:17.44 | Thunder_Child | is there a macro that will let you mill multiple things at one w/o keypresses? |
| 22:17.47 | Kemayo | I'm trying Windows 7. What editors do people use for their addon-writing needs nowadays on windows? |
| 22:17.54 | Dagmar | Kraps: Don't even try to tell me that farming that crap is cost-effective |
| 22:17.55 | Lunessa | Then he marks them up and sells them at a tidy profit! |
| 22:17.58 | Thunder_Child | notepad++ |
| 22:18.03 | Lunessa | notepad++ |
| 22:18.05 | End | Thunder_Child: mouse clicks? |
| 22:18.06 | Dagmar | I amke them into things and THEN I sell them for a profit. |
| 22:18.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Kemayo: notepad++, or any other text editor worth its salt |
| 22:18.09 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: I don't think so. I think every mill requires a hardware event, just like every d/e does. |
| 22:18.33 | Legorol | EU PTR is not up yet, nor is the patch available yet for download yet, is that correct? |
| 22:18.37 | Kraps | Hirsute: oh sorry, he killed a fly on tv |
| 22:18.38 | Legorol | or has anyone gotten hold of it yet? |
| 22:18.38 | Hirsute | Kemayo: I use vim |
| 22:18.44 | Dagmar | I might make only 25% profit, but the time juggling mail notwithstanding, I might have invested five whole minutes of time in selling a 400g item |
| 22:18.46 | Hirsute | Kraps: Oh my. |
| 22:18.54 | Dagmar | 100g =~ 5 minutes == WIN |
| 22:19.07 | Duman | kd3: 3.2 notes = madness |
| 22:19.11 | Kraps | Hirsute: inorite |
| 22:19.30 | Hirsute | *no* |
| 22:19.35 | Hirsute | Duman: Sweet, sweet madness. |
| 22:19.38 | Duman | hehe |
| 22:19.41 | Hirsute | I'm quite pleased about most of the changes. |
| 22:19.49 | Hirsute | (Well, most of the ones that affect me) |
| 22:20.11 | Kraps | warriors get ONE LINE /HEADDESK |
| 22:20.26 | Adys | MAGES GET 3 LINES OMG /FACEPALM |
| 22:20.30 | Adys | this isnt a fucking competition |
| 22:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: obviously, warriors are fine |
| 22:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: they kind of are.. :P |
| 22:20.56 | NeoTron | I'm glad I picked up two 1h weapons from ulduar before stopping 25-man raiding.. for dwing |
| 22:21.06 | NightHawkTheSane | and of course, that's ignoring the block value changes which will affect prot warriors |
| 22:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I don't even have an active account ;) |
| 22:21.22 | NeoTron | you might ask people if they like the number of lines DK's got or owuld have preferred getting 1 line :P |
| 22:21.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i know, which is why i said that. it was true ;) |
| 22:21.42 | Dagmar | DKs get the nerf bat again |
| 22:21.46 | Dagmar | Like they should care tho |
| 22:22.02 | Dagmar | It'll be a good 4 more patches of nerfs before they're in danger of losing OP status |
| 22:22.02 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: what is i dont stack block? |
| 22:22.29 | Dagmar | Kraps: "The answer is 'I play a mage', Alex." |
| 22:22.30 | NightHawkTheSane | then you're still fine? but with other stats? |
| 22:23.05 | Dagmar | I know some people who might actually be able to block a small mountain falling on them with block doubling |
| 22:23.19 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah |
| 22:23.28 | Hirsute | And that's a great example of why I'm glad raiding guilds are not necessary on my server to raid whatever content you want. |
| 22:24.07 | Kraps | Dagmar: is=if |
| 22:24.09 | Kraps | :/ |
| 22:24.12 | Hirsute | I'd get half way through that application and say to myself, "This is a *game* wtf am I filling out an application to play a freaking game?" |
| 22:24.30 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm a little concerned that bears didn't get a similar increase in their Savage Defense |
| 22:25.07 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, they're not quite so comparable as to make that necessary it hink |
| 22:25.15 | Dagmar | Hirsuits: It's a sign those people do too much raiding by themselves and spend virtually no time socializing/pugging with others on the server |
| 22:25.38 | Dagmar | Either that or they have the form there as a formality and you've skipped some schmoozing steps |
| 22:26.02 | Hirsute | Dagmar: *nod* Though I also don't pug if I can avoid it. But, my circumstances are a bit... unique. |
| 22:26.02 | Kraps | Dagmar: thats most mid to high end guilds |
| 22:26.31 | Thunder_Child | anyone know where the emarald dragonshire is? |
| 22:26.39 | Kraps | south |
| 22:26.43 | End | south part of dragonblight |
| 22:26.46 | Thunder_Child | ah, ty |
| 22:26.53 | End | it's near the scarlet town |
| 22:27.01 | Dagmar | ThunderChild: Emerald Dream perhaps? |
| 22:27.14 | End | now you're just trying to confuse him |
| 22:27.16 | Kraps | i love the dragonshrines |
| 22:27.30 | Dagmar | Oh you mean dragonshrine |
| 22:27.36 | VonhintenHOME` | which alliance class gets a bonus to axes? human? |
| 22:27.40 | Thunder_Child | ya, looked like shire |
| 22:27.40 | Kraps | the green and red one at least |
| 22:27.49 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i know |
| 22:28.01 | Thunder_Child | VonhintenHOME`, no they get swords and maces i think |
| 22:28.07 | Hirsute | I don't know of any alliance class that does get a bonus to axes. |
| 22:28.09 | Duman | VonhintenHOME: none |
| 22:28.09 | VonhintenHOME` | dwarves get maces |
| 22:28.16 | Duman | humans are sword+mace |
| 22:28.18 | End | don't humans get swords and maces? |
| 22:28.20 | Hirsute | dwarves get guns |
| 22:28.30 | VonhintenHOME` | dwarves are guns and maces |
| 22:28.34 | Duman | uh |
| 22:28.41 | Duman | don't think so |
| 22:28.44 | Duman | but I could be wrong |
| 22:28.49 | Kraps | humans are maces |
| 22:28.54 | VonhintenHOME` | they are, I play a dwarf rogue :) |
| 22:28.55 | Kraps | and swords |
| 22:29.05 | Kraps | oh ya :) |
| 22:29.20 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=59224 |
| 22:29.36 | Duman | dwarves are only guns... unless they added axes to it in 3.2 |
| 22:29.44 | Kraps | humans get 3 dwarves 5 |
| 22:30.00 | Duman | weird |
| 22:30.11 | Duman | guess they ahven't updated the races pages in a while :) |
| 22:30.13 | Duman | they = blizzad |
| 22:30.15 | Duman | +r |
| 22:30.23 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=-4#0+7+1+2 |
| 22:30.28 | Duman | old: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/dwarves.html |
| 22:31.35 | VonhintenHOME` | So, they gave rogues the ability to use axes, and the only race that can benefit is an Orc. Then they add fist to the Axe Spec for Orc too... |
| 22:31.43 | Kraps | "We are planning to let players roll on mostly greens and the occasional blue item at the end of each Battleground." |
| 22:31.57 | Kraps | in a future patch |
| 22:32.00 | VonhintenHOME` | warhammer carryover? |
| 22:32.11 | End | apparently |
| 22:32.26 | End | although warhammer doesn't tie them to end of scenario |
| 22:32.36 | VonhintenHOME` | true, it's like a BG+PQ hybrid |
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| 22:33.22 | Kraps | "Both factions have set up a foothold here and now the battle is on to decide who will control the island and make the final push against Arthas and his undead army." |
| 22:33.27 | VonhintenHOME` | imo, dwarves should get an Axe bonus |
| 22:33.40 | Kraps | lame reasoning |
| 22:34.07 | Kraps | arent both sides trying to kill him? |
| 22:35.05 | KarlKFI | dwarves should get fire resistance |
| 22:35.23 | KarlKFI | and black smithing bonuses |
| 22:35.24 | VonhintenHOME` | to account for all the beard hair? |
| 22:35.35 | VonhintenHOME` | on the men and women |
| 22:35.51 | KarlKFI | to accoutn for living in the lair fo the balrok |
| 22:37.22 | VonhintenHOME` | "Character names can now be colorized according to class in the chat frame through an interface option in the Development settings." |
| 22:37.41 | VonhintenHOME` | woot, no more database of character classes learned through query |
| 22:37.57 | NightHawkTheSane | is this really going to happen every two hours? :P |
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| 22:38.02 | End | yes! |
| 22:38.17 | Hirsute | If they'd implement base-ui mousewheel scrolling of the chatframe, timestamps and font-size adjustments, I'd be able to ditch a chatmod. |
| 22:38.37 | VonhintenHOME` | Nope, they'd need to implement chat links in all channels too |
| 22:38.45 | Hirsute | I have a separate addon for that |
| 22:39.46 | Duman | I need channel stickiness |
| 22:39.56 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, that too |
| 22:40.21 | VonhintenHOME` | "Quest creatures and objects will now show on the player's world map." |
| 22:40.27 | VonhintenHOME` | That's a small one liner for a biiiiig change |
| 22:40.56 | Duman | wow ... I missed that, too |
| 22:41.02 | Duman | goes back to re-read 3.2 notes |
| 22:41.06 | Hirsute | Also: The mote extractor now has tracking capability of its own, and they've pulled tracking off the engineering goggles. |
| 22:41.21 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a number of rather nice things slipped in there |
| 22:41.24 | Hirsute | I read that today, two days after making my Truesight Ice Blinders specifically for the mote tracking. |
| 22:41.32 | Kemayo | Gosh, "Item Comparisons: Holding the shift key while hovering over an item will now display the stat differences with the item currently equipped in the relevant slot." |
| 22:41.37 | Hirsute | (they're a downgrade from the helm I'm wearing) |
| 22:41.51 | Duman | oh wow |
| 22:41.56 | Duman | they are killing twinks once and for all? |
| 22:41.59 | Hirsute | No |
| 22:42.05 | Hirsute | You can still twink |
| 22:42.10 | Hirsute | You just can only do it with other twinks |
| 22:42.19 | Kemayo | Duman: No, they're actually letting you go pay someone 10g to completely turn off gaining XP from anything in the game. |
| 22:42.19 | Kraps | "killing twinks" what are people reading? |
| 22:42.28 | VonhintenHOME` | Yeah Kemayo, just not sure that's gonna be good enough to warrant getting rid of RatingBuster |
| 22:42.32 | Duman | huh |
| 22:42.41 | Hirsute | Kraps: XP gains from honor gains (except honor kills) in BGs |
| 22:42.42 | Kemayo | Kraps: Probably the "you now gain XP from battleground honor" stuff. |
| 22:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: but, if you do that option, you only bg against other people who also have done that |
| 22:42.57 | Kraps | but you can turn it off! |
| 22:43.05 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: WIN! |
| 22:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | someone here has to know apache ant pretty well... how can I execute a task conditionally, where the condition is that a certain file exists? |
| 22:43.12 | Kraps | thats just for twinks! |
| 22:43.17 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: Huh, I didn't notice that in the notes. |
| 22:43.22 | Duman | oh you can turn it off? |
| 22:43.24 | Duman | I missed that note |
| 22:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You can |
| 22:43.30 | NightHawkTheSane | so they're saying "twinking jerks over here <-- and the rest of you normal people over there -->" |
| 22:43.32 | VonhintenHOME` | "All stackable potions now stack to 20." /tear |
| 22:43.33 | Kraps | !!! |
| 22:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And, if you do turn it off |
| 22:43.38 | Hirsute | Exactly |
| 22:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll only ever see people with it off in BGs |
| 22:43.46 | Kemayo | Woah, they're finally showing vendor prices away from vendors, too. |
| 22:43.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: yeah, that's the bit that makes it fucking slick |
| 22:43.54 | VonhintenHOME` | There goes Informant |
| 22:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And I take offense at "twinking jerks" - when I twinked with friends, rolling noobs was never even a little fun :/ |
| 22:44.16 | Kemayo | And they're including the doublewide quest log. |
| 22:44.17 | Kraps | lol |
| 22:44.21 | Hirsute | VonhintenHOME`: Well, Informant provides a lot more information than just vendor prices. |
| 22:44.28 | VonhintenHOME` | does it? |
| 22:44.32 | Hirsute | A *lot* |
| 22:44.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i know, its just one of the things that completely turned me off to bgs. |
| 22:44.50 | VonhintenHOME` | like what? cause I probably didn't noticed/didn't need =P |
| 22:44.54 | Kemayo | NightHawkTheSane: That's definitely a nice change. Twinks ruin BGs if you just want to hop into them and have fun every now and then. |
| 22:45.04 | Hirsute | Stack size vendors sell it in, max stack size, who sells it, where they are, what quests it's used for, what professions use/produce it. |
| 22:45.09 | Hirsute | VonhintenHOME`: ^^^^ |
| 22:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Kemayo: exactly, i didn't really have a problem with thinking, i just had a problem with them being in my bg :) |
| 22:45.26 | VonhintenHOME` | ah |
| 22:45.32 | VonhintenHOME` | Ok, I did notice that |
| 22:45.50 | Kraps | heres a whole thread of "Vanilla Wow > New stuff, when you got tier it felt like you had actually accomplished something." http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17899770792&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 22:46.11 | Hirsute | Some of that information you have to open up a specific frame to see, whic you can set a keybind for |
| 22:46.34 | Hirsute | Kraps: Sounds like a whole thread full of people that need to put away their now-nonexistant-epeens and spend some time outside. |
| 22:47.04 | Kraps | Hirsute: CANT YOU SEE MY RANK |
| 22:47.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: or, just take off the rose-colored glasses, quit crying, and enjoy the game. |
| 22:47.47 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: Oh, I do enjoy the game. |
| 22:47.53 | Hirsute | I'm not the one crying here. |
| 22:47.54 | NightHawkTheSane | o dodm |
| 22:47.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't mean you specifically :) |
| 22:48.01 | Hirsute | Ah |
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| 22:51.02 | myrkraverk | what tools do I have to debug an addon? I'm trying to fix a bug in an addon I didn't write. |
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| 22:52.00 | VonhintenHOME` | "Ominous Clouds in the Yogg-Saron encounter are now more vocal about touching players." |
| 22:52.03 | VonhintenHOME` | yay |
| 22:53.37 | Hirsute | myrkraverk: Well, are you getting an error message? |
| 22:55.04 | myrkraverk | Hirsute, no, it's a visual issue |
| 22:55.32 | Hirsute | I'm definitely no help them |
| 22:55.35 | Hirsute | s/them/then/ |
| 22:55.41 | myrkraverk | ;-D |
| 22:56.38 | cogwheel | Duman: you fix facebook in chrome no plx |
| 22:56.44 | cogwheel | now* |
| 22:56.50 | cogwheel | or nao* |
| 22:56.51 | Lunessa | oh the humanity |
| 22:57.01 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, ping |
| 22:57.17 | ckknight | pong |
| 22:57.30 | Hirsute | facebook is broken in Chrome? |
| 22:57.50 | sacarasc | So, this minion thing... I have to use java on my browser? |
| 22:58.00 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, think you can make the nandini tracked resource color slightly different? like an off-white. it's hard to see in snow areas |
| 22:58.12 | Thunder_Child | or a shadow |
| 22:58.22 | ckknight | I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 22:58.25 | ckknight | provide context, guy |
| 22:58.34 | KarlKFI | no, sacarasc |
| 22:58.35 | NightHawkTheSane | context is for noobs. |
| 22:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | be more omniscient! |
| 22:58.47 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, chinchilla |
| 22:58.47 | Hirsute | sacarasc: You have to have java on your machine. |
| 22:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | sacarasc: the Minion installer is done through Java Web Start. If you don't have the plugin installed into your browser, you can download the .jnlp and run it against javaws{.exe} |
| 23:00.23 | cogwheel | omniscience is overrated |
| 23:01.07 | sacarasc | Maybe saying that rather than a big link over the middle of the page saying I don't have java would be preferable. |
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| 23:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a common thing |
| 23:02.00 | KarlKFI | some people do disable it for security... |
| 23:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Only apple users |
| 23:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | </cheapshot> |
| 23:02.17 | Hirsute | *chortle* |
| 23:02.21 | KarlKFI | that was fixed :P |
| 23:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone else doesn't know it even exists! |
| 23:02.40 | sacarasc | To use java, I'd have to use a 32bit browser. |
| 23:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | No, they have a proper 64-bit browser plugin now |
| 23:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Under linux and windows (and probably solaris) |
| 23:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Install a recent 64-bit JRE (upate 13 onward) and you'll get one |
| 23:03.34 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: file a ticket about it |
| 23:05.27 | sacarasc | To quote the java download page:* Please use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support. |
| 23:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The download page is wrong |
| 23:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I have the 64-bit plugin running under 64-bit firefox on 64-bit vista |
| 23:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And debian |
| 23:06.25 | Thunder_Child | on an 8-bit user |
| 23:06.29 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 23:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I lied, it's available as of java 6 update 12, not 13 |
| 23:09.33 | sacarasc | 1 internal error and the rest of my addons are unavailable. \o/ |
| 23:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | If you can pastey or upload a log file, I can look into it |
| 23:10.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24088 for log file locations |
| 23:11.28 | sacarasc | http://sacarasc.org/log.txt |
| 23:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:11.47 | ScytheBlade1 | NativeSwing: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load 32-bit SWT libraries on 64-bit JVM |
| 23:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The installer found a 32-bit JRE, used it |
| 23:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And then you launched it under the 64-bit JRE |
| 23:12.23 | sacarasc | Yeah, then I launched under 32bit one later. |
| 23:12.24 | sacarasc | SEVERE: com.mmoui.manager.MainView$5@1bc6533 failed: java.lang.SecurityException: Bundle 'mmouiwow' does not have permission to connect to '67.228.49.67' |
| 23:12.29 | sacarasc | That's the error, I bet. |
| 23:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like |
| 23:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuke ~/.Minion/config.xml, I think |
| 23:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Restart and it should prompt for permissions |
| 23:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Did it prompt you to allow access the first time? |
| 23:13.49 | sacarasc | I'm going to lie and say no, rather than admitting to not reading it and clicking 'no', |
| 23:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | java.lang.SecurityException: User denied permissions request |
| 23:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 23:14.23 | Hirsute | shakes his head. |
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| 23:15.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Some addons will fail to update, notably ones that were uploaded as rar archives |
| 23:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Or rather, anything that isn't a .zip |
| 23:16.33 | Kraps | what are emblems of triumph? |
| 23:16.46 | sacarasc | The new emblems for 3.2. |
| 23:17.06 | Kraps | like heroic emblems? |
| 23:17.16 | myrkraverk | is it possible to reset saved variables, to the values defined in the xml file? (or whatever would be the equalent of that) |
| 23:17.35 | myrkraverk | without deleting the files |
| 23:18.01 | Kraps | i.e. conquest = 10man triumph = 25man? |
| 23:19.25 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...patch release, 3 weeks or 3 months? |
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| 23:20.05 | Kraps | 2 months? |
| 23:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 4mo |
| 23:20.28 | Kraps | :( |
| 23:20.46 | sacarasc | I think September or after. |
| 23:20.58 | Kraps | still trying to wrap my head around heroics=conquest |
| 23:21.02 | sacarasc | Before Brewfest, though. |
| 23:21.57 | myrkraverk | is lua indent sensitive, like python? |
| 23:22.05 | End | no |
| 23:22.43 | myrkraverk | ok |
| 23:24.46 | myrkraverk | is it ok to break a line after "then" or do I need a continuation character? (sorry, I'm just trying to get a feel for this function with too long lines for me to read) |
| 23:24.47 | Dewin | Anybody have a rough idea what the limits of SendAddonMessage are before it D/Cs you? |
| 23:25.02 | kd3 | take a look at ace's chatThrottleLib |
| 23:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | DCs? I think it just silently fails |
| 23:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I think that general chat messages can DC you though |
| 23:25.43 | Dewin | Someone told me it'd DC you if you flooded SendAddonMessage |
| 23:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Ehh kind of |
| 23:26.04 | Dewin | I don't plan on flooding, I'm just trying to see if I even need to implement flood protection |
| 23:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | The only time that has ever happened is when people were flooded off the server for so much traffic coming over the addon channel period |
| 23:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It was the raw combine incoming data rather than the individual outbound data that caused people to DC |
| 23:26.36 | ScytheBlade1 | (Omen2 in Hyjal anyone?) |
| 23:26.58 | kd3 | grr |
| 23:27.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But I think the limit is either 10 or 20 messages a second |
| 23:27.33 | kd3 | thought it was a burst of 10/s, but a sustained of 1/s or so |
| 23:27.38 | kd3 | somewhere in there |
| 23:27.40 | VonhintenHOME` | So, thoughts on unloading Runed Orbs for sale now before they're easily acquirable by running heroics? |
| 23:28.12 | Dewin | well, at raid setup time I can definitely seeing a lot of messages being sent |
| 23:28.20 | Dewin | even trying to condense them, it can get ugly fast |
| 23:28.25 | Kraps | i got d/ced today when i dismounted the bone gryphon while casting my hh mount /random |
| 23:29.28 | VonhintenHOME` | My whole 10 man got DC'd not too long ago when we killed like 200 dwarves at once at Flame Levi trash |
| 23:29.43 | Dewin | Trying for Dwarfaggedon? |
| 23:29.45 | Kraps | VonhintenHOME`: how do you do that? |
| 23:29.49 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah |
| 23:30.06 | Dewin | Maybe I will either use ChatThrottleLib and/or rethink my communication protocol |
| 23:30.07 | VonhintenHOME` | I dunno how many it really was, but it was well over 100 |
| 23:30.09 | Dewin | It's supposed to be *simple* |
| 23:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | VonhintenHOME`: yeah, same thing happened to half our raid when we did that |
| 23:41.11 | Dewin | hmm, LibTalentQuery has its usefulness but I think I might want to make my own lib for this. |
| 23:42.14 | Dewin | And I really should break my habit of talking to myself on IRC |
| 23:45.35 | Kraps | Stackable potions now stack to 20. woot |
| 23:46.33 | Adys | ptr out yet? or still just notes |
| 23:46.57 | kd3 | just notes |
| 23:47.05 | kd3 | keeps poking around, vainly |
| 23:47.40 | Dewin | I'm a fan of the potion stacking/injector change |
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| 23:54.03 | Legorol | wow, the resilience change is big! |
| 23:54.21 | Legorol | it also completely destroys my meta strategy :o) |
| 23:54.40 | Legorol | but nvm that, resilience now reducing *ALL* damage is just huuuge change to pvp |
| 23:54.59 | bleeter | goes back to attempting to convince #fedora to go with a Trogdor theme for Fedora 12 |
| 23:55.04 | bleeter | HAI KD3! |
| 23:55.15 | NeoTron | makes resilience pretty much a hard core requirement (again?), that's for sure |
| 23:55.27 | kd3 | trogdor? lmao win |
| 23:55.42 | bleeter | kd3: boot up sound of 'BURNINATING THE COUNTRY SIDE' |
| 23:55.55 | bleeter | something tells me they don't think I'm serious :( |
| 23:56.02 | NeoTron | so we got a holy pally complaining about 3.2 nerfs |
| 23:56.16 | NeoTron | when it's probably one of the biggest net buff to holy pallies in a long time |
| 23:56.26 | VonhintenHOME` | seriously, no pally should be complaining about that |
| 23:56.33 | VonhintenHOME` | no holy pally, at least |
| 23:56.34 | bleeter | oh, is 3.2 putting on a show? |
| 23:56.41 | NeoTron | He seems to have an "illumination was nerfed" tunnel vision |
| 23:56.47 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: let me guess. "wah wah, illumination, wah" |
| 23:56.48 | bleeter | please hold me down while I get excited about the bugs that will reappear from 3.0 |
| 23:56.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, knew it |
| 23:57.00 | NeoTron | I don't know |
| 23:57.05 | bleeter | or if we're real lucky, from 2.3 or 2.1 |
| 23:57.08 | NeoTron | he simply said he'd go prot if the changes go through |
| 23:57.13 | NeoTron | which just baffles my mind |
| 23:57.19 | NightHawkTheSane | he's probably an idiot. |
| 23:57.24 | VonhintenHOME` | well, it was... and now Holy Pally's have a reason to use Flash of Light AND Holy Light, instead of spamming Holy Light because they could |
| 23:57.38 | NeoTron | no, he's not, but he does tend to be tunnel visioned on regen |
| 23:57.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the BoL using the total heal amount alone is a massive buff |
| 23:57.46 | VonhintenHOME` | yep |
| 23:58.09 | NeoTron | basically means he can freely heal the raid while keeping up the hot on the MT |
| 23:58.29 | NeoTron | not to mention actually having a hot, even if it's somewhat of a weird mechanic |
| 23:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm not actually terribly fond of that hot mechanic. |
| 23:59.25 | NeoTron | it does have a use - on the tank before a known interruption |
| 23:59.29 | NightHawkTheSane | but its probably not terrible |
