| 00:01.05 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 00:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | is seriously tacked goodly. |
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| 00:04.46 | Shirik | not tacked |
| 00:04.47 | Shirik | just tackled |
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| 00:13.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, okay then. |
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| 00:25.39 | Cralor` | The Blizzard cooldown frame for the runes shows on cooldown so its not as easy to just do a :Hide(). what is an effective way to hide the frame whenever it is shown while still having the option to show it whenver pleased? |
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| 00:27.28 | Cralor` | http://pastey.net/116174 would work fine, but what would i do if i wanted to Show it? |
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| 00:42.08 | NeoTron | 3W1M - http://tinyurl.com/lcqhs2 |
| 00:43.58 | drfuzzykins | Does the back say, "I'm moody and unique, that's why I identify with wolves"? |
| 00:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | SHIRIK |
| 00:50.34 | Shirik | SCYTHEBLADE1 |
| 00:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | You never responded last night after I went to sleep =[ |
| 00:50.51 | NeoTron | I am just baffled at the reviews and customer uploaded images |
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| 01:15.29 | AbsolutRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17779771892&sid=1 Can anyone give me a hand here? |
| 01:15.30 | AbsolutRayne | lol |
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| 01:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | Broked! |
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| 01:21.20 | AbsolutRayne | Just a wee bit |
| 01:22.20 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 01:22.20 | purl | ~pong |
| 01:22.23 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 01:22.29 | Shirik | freenode maintained my connection |
| 01:22.39 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent! |
| 01:30.20 | End | ~ding |
| 01:30.20 | purl | dong |
| 01:30.25 | End | ~wing |
| 01:30.36 | End | purl, wing is <reply>wong |
| 01:30.36 | purl | End: okay |
| 01:30.40 | End | ~wing |
| 01:30.40 | purl | wong |
| 01:30.45 | End | ok, I'm silly |
| 01:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes you are. |
| 01:38.38 | Thunder_Child | ~king |
| 01:38.38 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, king is Dessimat0r |
| 01:38.45 | Thunder_Child | meh, should be kong |
| 01:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo king |
| 01:44.35 | purl | king -- created by Dessimat0r <Dessimat0r@public1-birk1-3-cust60.bagu.broadband.ntl.com> at Fri Jan 10 19:27:16 2003 (2349 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Thunder_Child, 5m 57s ago. |
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| 01:49.09 | mikma | ~willy |
| 01:49.27 | mikma | purl: willy is <reply> wonka |
| 01:49.27 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 01:49.47 | Thunder_Child | could be nilly |
| 01:50.16 | mikma | purl: nilly is <reply> nully |
| 01:50.16 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 01:50.36 | Thunder_Child | i meant willy/nilly |
| 01:50.44 | mikma | i know |
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| 01:50.48 | mikma | but it's already wonka xD |
| 01:51.56 | Codayus | ~pong |
| 01:51.56 | purl | ~ping |
| 01:52.03 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 01:52.17 | Codayus | I wonder if paddle would be better... |
| 01:53.31 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 01:53.31 | End | ~dong |
| 01:53.31 | purl | ding |
| 01:53.36 | End | ~ding |
| 01:53.36 | purl | dong |
| 01:54.27 | AnduinLothar | anyone know how much hp was reduced for each tower on FLame Leviathon? |
| 01:54.42 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 01:54.42 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 02:52.23 | durcyn | it's ~100m total less in 25 with +4, AnduinLothar |
| 02:56.52 | Kaelten | lolz? |
| 03:00.02 | Thunder_Child | heh, got an email from blizz about the iphone authenticator |
| 03:01.09 | AnduinLothar | how much is that each durcyn |
| 03:02.08 | Kaelten | yeah me too |
| 03:02.50 | Adys | Anyone on linux with wine installed here? |
| 03:02.51 | Kaelten | i'm wondering what time tommorrow the 3.0 update becomes available. |
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| 03:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | wtb android authenticator app :( |
| 03:06.29 | Iriel | aye that would be cool |
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| 03:22.36 | Torhal | Adys: What's up? |
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| 03:38.03 | widgertick | WTB android iphone emulator app |
| 03:40.03 | Adys | Torhal: got it sorted |
| 03:40.26 | Torhal | kk |
| 03:41.04 | airtonix | widgertick, http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html |
| 03:41.31 | airtonix | i take only credit cards |
| 03:41.57 | Iriel | airtonix: I dont see that emulating an iphone ON your android phone |
| 03:42.51 | airtonix | iphone? pff aren;t they glorified door stops? |
| 03:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | glorified, hundred-dollar+ door stops |
| 03:47.49 | Iriel | idles... |
| 03:48.21 | Kraps | so cower is on auto-cast... WHY |
| 03:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: there are worse things in life |
| 03:51.11 | bleeter | webOS is funny |
| 03:51.44 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, so you die |
| 03:52.19 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: BLIZZ HAETS MEEEEEEEE |
| 03:52.34 | Kraps | bur |
| 03:53.05 | Thunder_Child | yes, i'm sure thats it |
| 03:55.33 | Kraps | night peeps |
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| 04:31.19 | durcyn | Adys: yeah |
| 04:31.23 | durcyn | Adys: oh nm |
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| 04:45.28 | bleeter | what's the low down on the WG daily/weeklies now, don't reset during maintenance? |
| 04:46.21 | Adys | Cide: ping |
| 04:48.06 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: they're horribly broken, in short |
| 04:48.42 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: before last sunday, I had a 12-day stretch without them resetting, did them on sunday, did them again on tuesday (yesterday) |
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| 04:49.40 | bleeter | well that makes me feel a shedload better about my rant on the SDL list |
| 04:50.30 | bleeter | i spent hours agonising over that post given who the list owner is.. hehe |
| 04:52.42 | Cide | pong |
| 04:52.48 | Cide | Adys: pong |
| 04:57.34 | Shirik | ~dict grounded |
| 04:57.42 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:57.44 | Shirik | give me the part of speech |
| 05:00.56 | kd3 | you mean a 'gerund'? |
| 05:01.57 | kd3 | cripes... where'd I pull that word out from? don't think I've used it since middle school |
| 05:04.15 | Adys | Cide: gah, lost my beep |
| 05:04.17 | Adys | anyway |
| 05:04.23 | Adys | still got the source for your python bot? |
| 05:05.57 | Cide | hm |
| 05:06.05 | Cide | speaking of python |
| 05:06.12 | Cide | ctmud now has multiplayer combat, up to 4v4! |
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| 05:07.45 | Cide | Adys: http://pastey.net/116176 |
| 05:08.48 | Adys | thanks |
| 05:11.58 | Adys | brb |
| 05:14.25 | Shirik | Cide |
| 05:14.27 | Shirik | why python |
| 05:14.29 | Shirik | why |
| 05:14.30 | Shirik | why why why |
| 05:14.33 | Cide | for what? |
| 05:14.36 | Cide | the bot? the site? |
| 05:14.44 | Shirik | whyyyyyyyyy |
| 05:14.49 | Cide | why do you care? :P |
| 05:15.08 | Shirik | because it's python |
| 05:15.20 | Cide | how is that a bad thing? |
| 05:15.24 | Shirik | it's python |
| 05:15.31 | widgertick | Eww |
| 05:15.32 | widgertick | A snake |
| 05:15.33 | widgertick | it's big |
| 05:15.37 | Shirik | see |
| 05:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | For the same reason that git is a bad thing |
| 05:15.44 | ScytheBlade1 | He doesn't like it and that is all there is to it ;) |
| 05:15.49 | Shirik | exactly |
| 05:15.55 | Shirik | and that's all that should be necessary |
| 05:16.49 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 05:16.54 | widgertick | prefers banana phones |
| 05:17.01 | bleeter | Cide: at least put it on post 8081 or something... above 1024! Reading from Google cache suxors :P |
| 05:17.26 | Cide | instead of 81? |
| 05:17.45 | Cide | if you're talking about the site |
| 05:19.30 | bleeter | Cide: yeah |
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| 05:23.10 | Thunder_Child | wowhead in fail mode? |
| 05:23.24 | Cide | bleeter: if I can only remember where to change the port.. apache config? |
| 05:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: Listen directive |
| 05:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: or, depending, your virtual host declaration |
| 05:23.45 | Cide | can I run it on two ports? |
| 05:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | You can run it on all of them if you want |
| 05:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | On every IP |
| 05:24.01 | Cide | no thanks |
| 05:24.16 | Cide | I need 80 for www.ctmud.net |
| 05:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And you have apache running both? |
| 05:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Off the same IP? |
| 05:24.33 | Cide | yes |
| 05:24.40 | durcyn | why not just vhost it |
| 05:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd be your VirtualHost directive |
| 05:24.48 | durcyn | instead of using 81 at all |
| 05:24.48 | Cide | it is vhosted |
| 05:24.51 | Cide | I'm just trying to find it |
| 05:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | <VirtualHost (something goes here)> |
| 05:25.10 | Cide | 81 has a different config which auto-reloads python files |
| 05:25.10 | kd3 | yup. "Listen 80 81 50586806" in whatever (v)host declaration |
| 05:25.11 | bleeter | if it's a vhost prolly in the <vhost addres:post> definiion |
| 05:25.16 | bleeter | or yeah |
| 05:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, the NameVirtualHost directive |
| 05:25.21 | Cide | I have lots of them |
| 05:25.22 | bleeter | 34756347956 diff ways to do it |
| 05:25.25 | Cide | I just can't find the right one |
| 05:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cat * | grep 81 |
| 05:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 05:25.38 | bleeter | Cide: alternative strategy, randomly change all ports |
| 05:26.03 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: it doesn't list 81 interestingly |
| 05:26.05 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: surely 'grep 18 *', the cat * is pointless? |
| 05:26.06 | Cide | but lots of 80 |
| 05:26.07 | bleeter | er 81 |
| 05:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: as you just said, "34756347956 diff ways to do it" ;) |
| 05:26.45 | Cide | I have <VirtualHost *:80>... |
| 05:26.50 | Cide | but it's running on 81? |
| 05:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Wouldn't be it |
| 05:27.01 | kd3 | it's in another config file? |
| 05:27.06 | Cide | possibly |
| 05:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, check the Include(s) |
| 05:29.23 | Cide | 81 not found in any of those files |
| 05:29.37 | VonhintenHOME` | So, 4pc bonus on my rogue, and my DPS has gone down from imp evis and evis glyph |
| 05:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You have any iptables voodoo going on? |
| 05:29.50 | Cide | maybe? I don't want to bother the server admin |
| 05:29.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:29.58 | Cide | bleeter: you can run http://dev.ctmud.net:81/ too |
| 05:30.06 | Cide | I mean, I have root access and all |
| 05:30.10 | Cide | but I have no clue how to check that :P |
| 05:30.21 | bleeter | well I could, if I could access port 81 :P |
| 05:30.23 | Iriel | First you could check netstat to see if port 81 is listening |
| 05:30.35 | Cide | err |
| 05:30.38 | Cide | bleeter: you can run http://dev.ctmud.net:80/ too |
| 05:30.38 | Cide | fixt |
| 05:30.50 | bleeter | hah |
| 05:30.56 | bleeter | thc :) |
| 05:30.57 | bleeter | x |
| 05:31.09 | bleeter | i'll prolly only go 'oh that's sweet' n never look again ;) |
| 05:31.24 | Iriel | Cide: netstat -na | grep 81 |
| 05:31.55 | Cide | tcp 0 0 :::81 :::* LISTEN |
| 05:32.02 | Iriel | Ok, so it's probably not iptables voodoo |
| 05:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | you have root, right? |
| 05:32.15 | Cide | yes |
| 05:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | netstat -nalp | grep 81 |
| 05:32.23 | Iriel | grep 81 /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
| 05:32.39 | bleeter | lsof ftw |
| 05:32.43 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Definitely apache then |
| 05:33.03 | Iriel | I wonder if you have more than one apache installation? |
| 05:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ... wait maybe not |
| 05:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 05:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | netstat -nalp | grep 80 |
| 05:33.13 | Cide | oh yeah, I probably do |
| 05:33.34 | bleeter | never let it be said that cide knows what's going on ;) |
| 05:33.41 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Different process binary? |
| 05:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 05:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, two copies of apache |
| 05:33.49 | kd3 | goes back to his 'different config file?' line while idly flipping through tvtropes |
| 05:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: >_> |
| 05:34.00 | Iriel | Try ps ww 24113 |
| 05:34.03 | Cide | bleeter: I've never claimed I know this :P |
| 05:34.06 | Iriel | maybe it has the config location on its command line |
| 05:34.10 | Cide | ah, yep |
| 05:34.21 | bleeter | Cide: I'm horrified at the thought of you thinking I thought you did.. I think ;) |
| 05:34.31 | Iriel | hands kd3 a cookie |
| 05:34.32 | Cide | haha |
| 05:34.46 | Cide | I can deal with apache alright |
| 05:34.49 | Cide | and installing stuff |
| 05:34.56 | Cide | but not the shell |
| 05:35.02 | bleeter | Cide: anyways, minor passing interest. I've been tooling with couchdb and erlang and stuffs recently, it got me thinking turn based muds |
| 05:35.17 | Cide | so the conf has "Listen 81" |
| 05:35.26 | Cide | should just be able to append "Listen 8080" or some such? |
| 05:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:35.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 05:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Assuming the config is somewhat simple and not vhosted, yes |
| 05:35.59 | Cide | this one's not vhosted, no |
| 05:36.06 | Cide | http://dev.ctmud.net:8080/ |
| 05:36.23 | Cide | maybe I have to change some firewall settings too |
| 05:36.29 | bleeter | for those who ain't seen it before http://couchdb.apache.org/img/sketch.png |
| 05:36.56 | Cide | oh well, bleeter can run :80 |
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| 05:39.05 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/598/ |
| 05:39.20 | Iriel | bleeter: interesting |
| 05:39.50 | kd3 | wtfs |
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| 05:42.00 | Iriel | Pity it's not ready for prime time, I could use something like that |
| 05:42.44 | bleeter | Iriel: i think most folks ahve come up against stuff which could... I'll be happy for them to take some time to get it happenign ;) |
| 05:43.11 | bleeter | or a couple of corporates will see the light insofar as waste of time supporting mysql or oracle to do it, and swing finding in that way |
| 05:45.31 | bleeter | i'm still trying to get used to erlang tho |
| 05:45.45 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I especially love the x10 ad |
| 05:46.35 | Iriel | I've been having fun beating java.util.concurrent into submission, it's got some neat ideas in and a couple of horribly frustrating 'encapsulation walls' |
| 05:49.52 | Iriel | And now.. sleep! |
| 05:53.50 | Shirik | isn't tricks of the trade a misdirect? |
| 05:55.04 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 05:55.18 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, more pictures? |
| 05:55.26 | End | it is, but it's on a duration instead of a set number of attacks |
| 05:56.05 | Adys | Cide: I was gonna complain about lines 83-88 and then I realized I already did last time you linked me this |
| 05:56.43 | Cide | still the fastest way! |
| 05:56.49 | Cide | oh no |
| 05:57.08 | Cide | strings' length is stored |
| 05:57.13 | Cide | ya, we had this discussion |
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| 06:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | There's one bug in minion found |
| 06:06.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No rar extractor |
| 06:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Throws a null pointer exception as a result |
| 06:07.27 | Shirik | uh, are you sure? |
| 06:07.34 | Shirik | it's supposed to be detected |
| 06:07.35 | Shirik | and was in the past |
| 06:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I can double check, but it is likely |
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| 06:13.28 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:13.38 | Shirik | I think I took out that code when I moved over to the limited extractors |
| 06:13.43 | Shirik | used to be an infinite supply of extractors |
| 06:13.49 | Shirik | I changed it to limit the number for performance |
| 06:13.53 | Shirik | and guess I dropped that out |
| 06:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That is probably the source of... a LOT of bugs we have on the tracker |
| 06:14.19 | Shirik | should check the stack trace before you come to that conclusion |
| 06:14.29 | Shirik | it's certainly not the cause of the ZIPException bug |
| 06:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually all I am running off of right now, a stack track |
| 06:15.02 | Shirik | but yeah, something like an UpdateCancelledException should be thrown with an appropriate message in that case |
| 06:15.15 | Thunder_Child | i cant remember Shirik, do you have a devart page? |
| 06:15.21 | Shirik | I did |
| 06:15.23 | Shirik | I do |
| 06:15.26 | Shirik | but I don't really use it |
| 06:15.33 | Thunder_Child | well now you have digitals |
| 06:15.35 | Shirik | I'm working on getting a new site up at the advice of a coworker |
| 06:15.35 | Thunder_Child | USE IT |
| 06:15.40 | Shirik | not deviantart |
| 06:15.44 | Thunder_Child | yes deviant art |
| 06:15.46 | Shirik | why |
| 06:15.49 | Thunder_Child | your own site isnt worth it |
| 06:15.52 | Shirik | not mine |
| 06:15.56 | Thunder_Child | and doesnt have all the nifty tools |
| 06:16.07 | Thunder_Child | what site then? |
| 06:16.10 | Shirik | it's like... more professional than deviantart |
| 06:16.12 | Shirik | I don't remember the name |
| 06:16.24 | Thunder_Child | right, because you need professional |
| 06:16.38 | Shirik | well I more mean it doesn't have all the whack jobs |
| 06:16.49 | Shirik | brb |
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| 06:17.31 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 06:17.49 | Thunder_Child | you make it seem like they interact with you though |
| 06:18.09 | Shirik | they did 4 years ago |
| 06:18.53 | Thunder_Child | also not quite shure what you mean by whack jobs |
| 06:19.25 | Wobin | http://izismile.com/2009/02/27/ordinary_girlfrom_the_first_sight_7_pics.html |
| 06:19.33 | Wobin | that's pretty impressive |
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| 06:21.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go find me the name |
| 06:21.22 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:21.24 | Wobin | flickr? |
| 06:21.30 | Thunder_Child | is hardly professional |
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| 06:21.46 | Wobin | it's slightly more professional than one named 'DeviantArt' =) |
| 06:21.53 | Thunder_Child | nope |
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| 06:22.11 | Wobin | Depends on your definition of 'professional' then |
| 06:22.38 | Wobin | I say a company whose name doesn't make you raise your eyebrows if you've never heard of it before is more professional than one that does |
| 06:22.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 06:23.01 | Thunder_Child | i mean what they do, not who they are |
| 06:23.09 | Wobin | Tools and such? |
| 06:23.23 | Thunder_Child | ya, prints etc. |
| 06:23.42 | Wobin | aren't many good ones out there =\ |
| 06:23.55 | Shirik | I don't really believe it, Wobin |
| 06:24.09 | Wobin | believe what? |
| 06:24.11 | Shirik | 70 hours is too short imo |
| 06:24.16 | Wobin | oh that link |
| 06:24.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 06:25.00 | Shirik | also, hell no @ flickr |
| 06:25.19 | Wobin | hehe 8-70 hour seems just 'detail' |
| 06:25.28 | Adys | >>> "ping" |
| 06:25.29 | Addybot | Adys: 'ping' |
| 06:25.40 | Cide | did you ninja the code? |
| 06:25.42 | Adys | hurray |
| 06:25.47 | Wobin | while meanwhile, you can hire a girl to get a photo taken in about 10 minutes... |
| 06:25.52 | Cide | >>> [a**2 for a in range(10)] |
| 06:25.53 | Addybot | Cide: [0, 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81] |
| 06:26.08 | Cide | >>> repr([a**2 for a in range(10)]) |
| 06:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: winner |
| 06:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | >>> "ping" |
| 06:26.36 | Wobin | crashed =( |
| 06:26.37 | Cide | I win |
| 06:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Cide++ |
| 06:26.43 | Torhal | Oh, noes! You brokeded teh bot! |
| 06:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you broke Adys too |
| 06:27.01 | Torhal | Machine lock FTW! |
| 06:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | If that is the case, you'll win some more karma in a sec |
| 06:27.05 | Cide | I have that effect on people |
| 06:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 06:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Cide++ |
| 06:27.21 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:27.29 | Cide | that was awesome |
| 06:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | So awesome |
| 06:30.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 06:30.15 | Cide | gotcha. |
| 06:30.23 | ScytheBlade1 | resumes laughing |
| 06:30.36 | Adys | you know I got a scrollback |
| 06:30.41 | Cide | >>> repr([a**2 for a in range(10)]) |
| 06:30.42 | Addybot | Cide: '[0, 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81]' |
| 06:30.44 | Adys | anyway gonna fix that |
| 06:30.46 | Adys | Cide: '[0, 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81]' |
| 06:30.50 | Cide | nice. |
| 06:30.57 | Cide | double bot |
| 06:30.58 | Adys | wth |
| 06:31.07 | Addybot | yeha no |
| 06:31.37 | Cide | lua> r = repr([a**2 for a in range(10)]) for a in 1000: r = repr(r)\nprint(r) |
| 06:31.37 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '[' |
| 06:31.45 | Addybot | you fail |
| 06:31.54 | Cide | >>> r = repr([a**2 for a in range(10)]) for a in 1000: r = repr(r)\nprint(r) |
| 06:32.08 | Cide | you fail |
| 06:32.42 | Addybot | nop |
| 06:34.30 | Addybot | Actually |
| 06:35.42 | Addybot | hm |
| 06:35.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 06:37.49 | Adys | Cide: restricted_globals = dict(__builtins__ = safe_builtins) exec(code1) in restricted_globals |
| 06:37.51 | Adys | wth does that do? |
| 06:38.03 | Cide | restricted environment |
| 06:38.13 | Adys | but you're dicting a boolean |
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| 06:38.44 | Cide | safe_builtins = __builtins__.__dict__.copy() |
| 06:39.08 | Cide | dict(__builtins__ = safe_builtins) is equal to {'__builtins__': safe_builtins} |
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| 06:39.33 | Adys | how is that even legal syntax Oo |
| 06:39.37 | Cide | which? |
| 06:39.40 | Torhal | Assignment, not comparison |
| 06:39.45 | Adys | dict(__builtins__ = safe_builtins) |
| 06:39.48 | Adys | yes |
| 06:39.54 | Cide | >>> dict(a=1, b=3) |
| 06:39.55 | Addybot | Cide: {'a': 1, 'b': 3} |
| 06:40.03 | Cide | dict() takes **kwargs |
| 06:40.24 | Addybot | you made me crash with that. |
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| 06:40.30 | Addybot | [09:40:10] <+Cide> [08:48:01] +>>> dict(a=1, b=3) |
| 06:40.37 | Cide | I think another ~Cide++ is in order |
| 06:40.46 | Addybot | you mean ~cide-- |
| 06:40.48 | Addybot | you coded that |
| 06:40.53 | Cide | worked for me :) |
| 06:41.04 | Cide | <Addybot> Cide: {'a': 1, 'b': 3} |
| 06:41.06 | Addybot | oh right no |
| 06:41.09 | Cide | how would it crash if it gave me the output? |
| 06:41.15 | Addybot | i see what you mean |
| 06:41.18 | Addybot | wow |
| 06:41.19 | Addybot | Im tired |
| 06:41.40 | Addybot | woah |
| 06:41.43 | Addybot | Im really fucking tired. |
| 06:42.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 06:42.42 | Adys | hmm odd its not crashing now |
| 06:42.49 | Cide | <Addybot> Cide: {'a': 1, 'b': 3} |
| 06:42.52 | Cide | >>> dict(a=1, b=3) |
| 06:42.53 | Addybot | Cide: {'a': 1, 'b': 3} |
| 06:42.56 | Adys | Cide: {'a': 1, 'b': 3} |
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| 06:51.23 | Adys | TypeError: can't set attributes of built-in/extension type 'str' |
| 06:51.24 | Adys | Bah |
| 06:52.21 | Adys | Cide: was trying to overwrite str.__pow__, but py's being mean with me |
| 06:52.36 | Cide | is str.__pow__ even defined? |
| 06:52.41 | Cide | >>> "a"**3 |
| 06:52.41 | Addybot | Cide: TypeError("unsupported operand type(s) for ** or pow(): 'str' and 'int'",) |
| 06:52.44 | Cide | owned |
| 06:53.00 | Cide | doubleowned |
| 06:53.22 | Addybot | ctrl alt f1; killall xchat; ctrl alt f7; xchat |
| 06:53.57 | Addybot | I dont know why this stuff is making me lockup |
| 06:54.06 | Cide | there is no threading? |
| 06:54.31 | Addybot | it might just be broken under unix |
| 06:54.54 | Cide | there is still no threading implemented |
| 06:55.06 | Addybot | thread.start_new_thread(run_code, (channel, xchat.get_info("nick"), word_eol[1])) |
| 06:55.21 | Cide | did I code that? |
| 06:55.24 | Addybot | yeah |
| 06:55.28 | Cide | I'm amazing |
| 06:55.35 | Addybot | really you aren't |
| 06:55.45 | Cide | yes, yes I am |
| 06:56.07 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/western2.jpg |
| 06:57.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b *!*@67.217.195.118] by Shirik |
| 06:57.45 | Shirik | wrong channel |
| 06:57.46 | Shirik | my bad |
| 06:57.54 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *!*@67.217.195.118] by Shirik |
| 06:58.00 | widgertick | >_> |
| 06:59.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 07:00.01 | Shirik | !reload |
| 07:00.01 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
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| 07:00.14 | mikma | !return |
| 07:00.14 | Shirik | :reload |
| 07:00.16 | Shirik | !reload |
| 07:00.16 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 07:00.30 | Shirik | back and forth between vim and irc |
| 07:00.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:00.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 07:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | How the crap did you join before you left |
| 07:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | 03:00 -!- Adys [n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #wowuidev |
| 07:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 03:00 -!- Adys [n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has quit [Client Quit] |
| 07:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 07:01.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha he didn't |
| 07:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I fail |
| 07:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I should sleep |
| 07:01.16 | Shirik | wow |
| 07:01.24 | Shirik | pets ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to bed now |
| 07:01.27 | Shirik | yes, he did |
| 07:01.33 | Shirik | that would be rather typical |
| 07:01.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 07:02.46 | widgertick | [00:01] *** Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) joined |
| 07:02.46 | widgertick | [00:02] *** Adys quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 07:03.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 07:03.05 | widgertick | Poor Adys! |
| 07:03.20 | Adys | I think xchat is broken |
| 07:03.23 | widgertick | staples Adys to the channel |
| 07:03.32 | haste | watches the blood. |
| 07:03.42 | Adys | Cide: I fixed it for now |
| 07:03.45 | widgertick | used autocoagulating staples |
| 07:04.04 | Addybot | no stapling for you |
| 07:04.13 | haste | watches the pain. |
| 07:04.14 | widgertick | finds that negates the adhesive qualities =/ |
| 07:04.39 | widgertick | goes back to the drawing board |
| 07:07.30 | Shirik | lua> return ("foo"):match("foobar") |
| 07:07.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 07:07.37 | Shirik | lua> return ("foobar"):match("foo") |
| 07:07.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: foo |
| 07:08.40 | Shirik | huggles widgertick |
| 07:10.57 | Cide | later |
| 07:11.04 | Cide | off to bed! |
| 07:11.08 | Addybot | night Cide |
| 07:11.11 | Addybot | I fixed it btw! |
| 07:11.15 | Addybot | temporarily |
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| 07:22.17 | Shirik | ok, lightroom fails at FTP |
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| 07:22.35 | Shirik | It does two phases: export images, upload via FTP |
| 07:22.47 | Shirik | if you type your ftp password wrong |
| 07:22.52 | Shirik | you have to export again |
| 07:23.05 | Shirik | oh, and let me point out, that means export ALL pictures you're uploading |
| 07:23.12 | Shirik | it takes a long time :/ |
| 07:23.15 | widgertick | >_> |
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| 07:57.30 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/15972/646db31b4d2da2a3418dac7630220603.gif |
| 07:57.44 | Fisker | mikma |
| 07:57.45 | Fisker | nemesis |
| 07:57.55 | Fisker | herrow Shirik |
| 07:57.56 | mikma | you, troll. |
| 07:58.02 | Fisker | YOU |
| 07:59.54 | Thunder_Child | http://www.c64forever.com/ |
| 08:01.01 | Fisker | or get a free emulator Thunder_Child |
| 08:01.25 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/3537/Ice%20Cream%20Van.jpg fisker-van spotted |
| 08:01.26 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, since i first saw it on a torrent site it *is* free |
| 08:02.02 | Grum | mikma: epic :D:D:D |
| 08:02.28 | Thunder_Child | this however is a self rendering of Fisker http://i2.pinger.pl/pgr83/3eaf23a20016c8a54a1f4ab3/fuuuuuuu.png |
| 08:03.58 | Kalroth | Fisker isn't angry |
| 08:04.03 | Kalroth | he's a happy chap |
| 08:04.58 | Thunder_Child | so he is happy when he rages? |
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| 08:06.09 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/14833/9384126ee32221c4801efc18edd11c30.jpg |
| 08:06.17 | Kalroth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE7ZmoC0CD8 Fiskers theme song |
| 08:09.31 | Addybot | Kalroth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdzaEVeFEE |
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| 08:12.17 | Kalroth | Addybot: bullshit! |
| 08:12.25 | Addybot | like your mom |
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| 08:14.25 | Kalroth | Adys: you heard the news btw?! |
| 08:14.31 | Adys | about your mom? |
| 08:14.38 | Kalroth | Adys: Naw, Genesis folded |
| 08:14.48 | Kalroth | QQ thread on the forums |
| 08:14.55 | zenzio | Genesis? |
| 08:14.56 | Adys | owned |
| 08:15.05 | Kalroth | Old guild of Adys :p |
| 08:15.07 | Adys | velvy watched? |
| 08:15.18 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure she got booted ages ago |
| 08:15.27 | Adys | owned² |
| 08:15.31 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEwWbtcIOo&feature=related |
| 08:15.32 | Kalroth | :P |
| 08:16.05 | Adys | Kalroth: didnt half of them go to orion? |
| 08:16.19 | Kalroth | Some of them, yeah - I don't think it was half though |
| 08:16.38 | Adys | Kalroth: bigger news though, I switched to kde |
| 08:16.45 | Kalroth | ew wtf |
| 08:16.58 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/snapshot4.png |
| 08:17.12 | Kalroth | KDE is actually pretty nifty, it reminds me of that old custom Amiga UI |
| 08:17.28 | Adys | Kalroth: have a guess which output device is being used on that screen |
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| 08:17.49 | Kalroth | Adys: a wild guess would be the marked one! |
| 08:18.00 | Adys | Kalroth: Oh, but no Kalroth! You guessed wrong! |
| 08:18.04 | Kalroth | o |
| 08:18.12 | Adys | Surprised aren't you? SO WAS I |
| 08:18.35 | Adys | It's the Headset because its the first one and I need to defer/prefer the devices to fucking get them to work. |
| 08:18.43 | Adys | so unintuitive its sick |
| 08:19.06 | Kalroth | >< |
| 08:19.18 | Kalroth | so it's a list of priorities? |
| 08:19.21 | Adys | yes |
| 08:19.28 | Adys | Kalroth: You know those encoding dropdowns? |
| 08:19.28 | Kalroth | dumb |
| 08:19.36 | Kalroth | mmm, nope? |
| 08:19.39 | Adys | The nice encoding dropdowns that have like 50 items |
| 08:19.39 | Kalroth | in what context |
| 08:19.42 | Adys | you select an encoding |
| 08:19.42 | Kalroth | Ahhh |
| 08:19.44 | Adys | unicode, etc |
| 08:19.44 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 08:19.49 | Kalroth | yup yup |
| 08:19.55 | Adys | you know how they all default to Unicode (UTF-8)? |
| 08:20.06 | Adys | which sounds pretty normal right |
| 08:20.38 | Adys | but |
| 08:20.39 | Adys | not in kde |
| 08:20.51 | Adys | So! Guess which encoding is the default in KDE?! |
| 08:20.59 | zenzio | UTF-16 BE |
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| 08:21.22 | Adys | not even close |
| 08:21.31 | Adys | Arabic ISO-8859-6 |
| 08:21.38 | Adys | because its the fucking first one on an alphabetical list |
| 08:28.23 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW09vWQQpuA&fmt=22 |
| 08:30.37 | mikma | christ how worms looks fun, been too long since i've played it |
| 08:31.05 | Adys | worms aren't fun really |
| 08:31.08 | Adys | oh you mean the game |
| 08:44.20 | Fisker | maybe one should go alchemist :o |
| 08:44.38 | mikma | nah |
| 08:46.37 | airtonix | starting to hate firefox |
| 08:47.10 | Fisker | well mikma |
| 08:47.14 | Fisker | It's getting improved |
| 08:47.18 | Fisker | + 2 hour flask timer |
| 08:47.23 | Fisker | and i got tailoring at the moment :P |
| 08:47.41 | Fisker | Just lame that your carpets will stop working |
| 08:47.49 | mikma | yeah, but it's really not worth it to level it xD |
| 08:48.22 | mikma | since all you get is arenaflask and endless (foo) potions from it |
| 08:48.28 | mikma | oh, and +1h in timer :P |
| 08:48.32 | Fisker | and mixology |
| 08:48.54 | Fisker | that's +64 attack power |
| 08:49.00 | Fisker | and it's probably getting improved as well |
| 08:49.12 | Fisker | the Tailoring back buff is rated at around ~80 attack power |
| 08:49.25 | Fisker | And a normal enchant probably weighs out the remaining 16 attack power |
| 08:49.28 | mikma | but with tailoring you get one of the coolest flying mounts! |
| 08:49.48 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 08:49.53 | Fisker | But i don't use it anyways |
| 08:52.09 | Fisker | so unless the tailoring change is batshits insane i think i'll go to alchemy |
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| 08:52.50 | mikma | i wonder.. |
| 08:52.59 | mikma | Tailoring |
| 08:53.00 | mikma | * Embroideries improved |
| 08:53.04 | mikma | whatever that means |
| 08:54.38 | Fisker | It means our back enchant is better |
| 08:54.53 | Fisker | like swordguard |
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| 08:57.18 | haste | what |
| 08:57.23 | haste | they have improved them? |
| 08:57.40 | Fisker | they're going to |
| 08:57.41 | Fisker | in 3.2 |
| 08:57.55 | mikma | all professions are getting a small boost |
| 08:57.57 | haste | the back enchants are already insane tho' :o |
| 08:58.03 | haste | in tailoring that is |
| 08:58.04 | mikma | haste: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=65373.0 |
| 08:58.52 | mikma | hah, blacksmithing is the only one that ain't getting new stuff |
| 08:59.38 | haste | it's already good so |
| 08:59.46 | haste | wonder what they are changing on tailoring |
| 08:59.54 | mikma | Tailoring |
| 08:59.55 | mikma | * Embroideries improved |
| 09:00.11 | mikma | fisker said: <1154> <Fisker> It means our back enchant is better |
| 09:00.24 | mikma | ^^ |
| 09:02.19 | Fisker | When was B.Net 2.0 launched btw? |
| 09:11.35 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: recently |
| 09:13.10 | Fisker | oh shit Gnarfoz |
| 09:13.15 | Fisker | you're some kind of genius mastermind |
| 09:13.19 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 09:14.06 | mikma | ~gnarfoz++ |
| 09:15.50 | Fisker | ~gnarfoz-- |
| 09:18.49 | mikma | ~gnarfoz++ |
| 09:21.57 | Fisker | ~gnarfoz-- |
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| 09:23.01 | mikma | ~gnarfoz++ |
| 09:23.15 | Fisker | ~gnarfoz-- |
| 09:23.19 | mikma | ~gnarfoz++ |
| 09:23.48 | Gnarfoz | it's not like purl isn't ignoring both of you already, is it |
| 09:23.56 | Fisker | ~gnarfoz-- |
| 09:24.31 | haste | mikma: I got that part :P |
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| 09:53.38 | Fisker | haste |
| 09:55.16 | haste | Fisker |
| 09:55.27 | Fisker | achtung spy |
| 09:55.50 | haste | you know what I'll get in the mail today?! |
| 09:55.55 | Fisker | [11:40:58] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all! This is shameless network spam I'm afraid, freenode are currently looking to expand our volunteer team. Please check out http://announce.freenode.net/ if you're interested in helping out! Thanks for your consideration and for using freenode. |
| 09:55.57 | Fisker | what? |
| 09:56.00 | Fisker | spies? |
| 09:56.04 | haste | gogo! |
| 09:56.09 | haste | a fleshlight! |
| 09:56.13 | haste | no, not really |
| 09:56.21 | haste | but I'll get das keyboard! |
| 09:56.23 | haste | l u l z |
| 09:56.56 | Fisker | wut keyboard? |
| 09:56.57 | Fisker | Also |
| 09:57.04 | Fisker | they fixed the spinning compass :( |
| 09:57.11 | haste | what? |
| 09:57.17 | haste | what does it do now? |
| 09:57.22 | Fisker | can't use it while falling |
| 09:57.26 | haste | bawwww |
| 09:57.32 | Fisker | indeed |
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| 10:15.17 | Fisker | WHAT TASTATUR ARE YOU GETTING HASTE? |
| 10:15.40 | haste | Fisker: das keyboard! |
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| 10:42.05 | airtonix | GetSpellInfo takes localised spell name or only english ? |
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| 10:47.27 | Elkano | I'd guess localized |
| 10:50.05 | haste | it has some issues tho' |
| 10:50.51 | airtonix | ok haste, im wanting to use UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED inside my raid layout for ouf to provide a indicator dot when a ressurection spell is used |
| 10:51.06 | airtonix | i already have a table of spellid = english spell name |
| 10:51.24 | airtonix | issues your thinking of would be ? |
| 10:51.54 | haste | it can return something incorrect on german clients or so |
| 10:52.07 | haste | I haven't run into it myself, so I can't give you the details there |
| 10:52.15 | haste | but using spellid directly should be enough |
| 10:52.28 | airtonix | mmm because that event only returns : self,event, unit, spell, spellrank |
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| 11:04.52 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:06.15 | Kalroth | poor haste, such an underrated ingame stat and Fiskered on irc. |
| 11:08.48 | mikma | .. fiskered, what a nice term for trolling |
| 11:09.48 | haste | you have been fisked! |
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| 11:14.27 | Cruciformer | morning everyone |
| 11:14.35 | harl | hiya |
| 11:17.23 | myrkraverk | morning |
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| 11:21.22 | Lunos | Hello there, I've got a short question. can I reset a /castsequence macro by checking Spell cooldown? |
| 11:21.22 | Lunos | /run if select(2,GetSpellCooldown("WhateverSpell"))==0 then reset castsequence |
| 11:21.22 | Lunos | I am looking for something like that |
| 11:24.20 | zenzio | I'm relatively sure you can't do that |
| 11:34.13 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 11:36.49 | myrkraverk | is it possible to attach a button to every chat frame? |
| 11:37.50 | Fisker | hitlers zenzelezz |
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| 11:42.04 | Lunos | dammit... my client crashed. Has someone an answer for my question and could repeat it please? |
| 11:42.36 | ZorbaTHut | lunos, yeah, the answer was "that is almost certainly not posible" |
| 11:43.02 | Lunos | thanks, but I know it must be possible by an addon |
| 11:43.07 | ZorbaTHut | why? |
| 11:43.14 | Lunos | Something like Power Aura does |
| 11:43.41 | Adys | perl devs |
| 11:43.42 | Adys | blaerh |
| 11:43.42 | ZorbaTHut | I thought power aura just showed graphical notifications |
| 11:43.47 | Cruciformer | there are many things a mod can do that a macro can't |
| 11:43.52 | Adys | why would people prefer perl over python |
| 11:43.54 | Adys | or anything sane |
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| 11:43.57 | Arrowmaster | Lunos: its not possible |
| 11:44.54 | Cruciformer | adys: I can think of one big reason: availability. There are many UNIX os'es out there (where UNIX is a broader term than just Linux) where perl is available and python isn't. |
| 11:45.01 | Lunos | it can also check for cds so it should be possible to activate a button by which a spell could be cast |
| 11:45.19 | Adys | Cruciformer: OS X has python avail. and not perl |
| 11:45.21 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 11:45.36 | Adys | and every other unix i can think of is shipped with python |
| 11:45.50 | Cruciformer | adys: Despire OS X having a BSD-like kernel under the hood its a generous stretch to call it "UNIX" :) |
| 11:45.50 | Adys | unless you're speaking of obscure, 10 year old outdated OS |
| 11:46.19 | Adys | yeah and its a big stretch to call an OS not shipping with python an "OS" :P |
| 11:46.28 | Adys | all the decent ones are |
| 11:46.35 | Cruciformer | adys: and yes some of those 10-year old obscure unixes have a massive install base. |
| 11:46.54 | Adys | obscure doesn't rhyme with massive install base |
| 11:47.29 | Cruciformer | "obscure" as defined by newcomers to the UNIX world who think Linux and Free/Open/NetBSD are the only unixes in existence. |
| 11:47.39 | Adys | FreeBSD and NetBSD both ship with python |
| 11:47.42 | Adys | dunno about perl |
| 11:47.53 | Adys | dunno about OpenBSD either |
| 11:48.08 | Cruciformer | But there are millions of AIX, old Solaris, SCO OpenServer, UnixWare, HP-UX, heck even good old DG-UX installations out there. |
| 11:48.23 | Adys | millions. |
| 11:48.27 | Adys | course, where was my head |
| 11:48.45 | Cruciformer | yes sir, millions. Whether you like it or not. |
| 11:48.58 | Adys | you sound like ballmer |
| 11:49.01 | Adys | "yes, MILLIONS" |
| 11:49.28 | Cruciformer | thats a comparison I wont take objection to :) |
| 11:49.30 | Adys | Solaris is the only one that has anything that comes remotely close to half a decent amount that would be acceptable to start thinking about calling it a "decent OS" |
| 11:49.48 | Adys | s/decent OS/decent OS userbase/ |
| 11:50.05 | Adys | HP-UX, where the hell do you get your numbers from come on. |
| 11:50.34 | Cruciformer | and now your ignorance is just showing. Despire how much we all may hate it, SCO OpenServer has an install base of about 3.5 million, UnixWare an install base of about 1.1 million. |
| 11:50.36 | Adys | (doesnt solaris ship with python anyway?) |
| 11:51.06 | Aelobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efw-e-Egtx8 |
| 11:51.20 | Adys | Cruciformer: your "being a jerk side" is showing, my ignorance is still waiting for you to show me where those numbers come from |
| 11:51.23 | Arrowmaster | im fairly certain everything that would ship with python would also have perl |
| 11:51.24 | Adys | instead of being a complete ass. |
| 11:51.37 | Adys | Arrowmaster: OSX doesnt :P |
| 11:51.44 | Arrowmaster | OSX is not a nix system |
| 11:51.56 | Adys | you said "everything" |
| 11:52.05 | Cruciformer | adys: I used to work for SCO so I know their install base. I also used to work for Hewlett-Packard so I am quite familiar with the HP-UX install base. Where do you get YOUR numbers from? |
| 11:52.06 | Arrowmaster | everything important |
| 11:52.20 | Adys | Cruciformer: Dude, I haven't given you any number |
| 11:52.41 | Cruciformer | But you question mine, thereby implying you have them. |
| 11:52.49 | Adys | you're on IRC |
| 11:52.52 | Arrowmaster | perl is the defacto standard for unix scripting, everything (except OSX) will come with it |
| 11:52.56 | Adys | you could tell you work for the fucking FBI :P |
| 11:53.00 | myrkraverk | points out he's playing wow on a sys v descendant |
| 11:53.19 | Cruciformer | myrkraverk: really? which one? |
| 11:53.34 | myrkraverk | (open)solaris |
| 11:53.51 | Cruciformer | I never did play with that ... is it any good? |
| 11:53.52 | Adys | Cruciformer: I also like the "used to" in both your sentences |
| 11:54.10 | Adys | at a shot, you didn't work for both companies at the same time |
| 11:54.10 | Cruciformer | adys: Yes ... I am now retired. What of it? |
| 11:54.22 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, it has some wonderful tool when programming, such as real info from the kernel, and dtrace |
| 11:54.30 | Adys | so I'm going to assume you're spitting out numbers that are years old |
| 11:54.47 | Adys | It's not because netscape had a 95% usershare a few years ago that it still does |
| 11:54.52 | Adys | same for OS |
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| 11:55.29 | Cruciformer | adys: It is completely and utterly pointless discussing this with you further. You asked why perl and not python, I gave you a plausible answer. You didnt like the answer and want to troll. You are perfectly entitled to your world view, I have no desire to change it. |
| 11:56.10 | Adys | I'm not trolling, I'm feeding one which is my only sin⢠|
| 11:56.52 | Adys | you've given me outdated numbers for outdated operating systems, don't be surprised I dont believe you |
| 11:57.59 | Arrowmaster | those arent that outdated |
| 11:58.00 | Cruciformer | I dont care if you believe me. I worked for SCO about 3 1/2 years ago and thats whence my numbers come. I still have many friends that work there so they are relatively current. SCO's install base is highly entrenched, and they still continue to sell about 1.3 milliosn dollars a quarter of SCO OpenServer, which their publically available financials will verify. |
| 11:59.08 | Adys | good for ya, but you've given me 6 different OS/platforms |
| 11:59.12 | Adys | not one |
| 11:59.30 | msou| | Could someone help me figure out the gems system? |
| 11:59.33 | Adys | but, it's a fact you worked for all the companies that built those... |
| 11:59.43 | msou| | The guild I' |
| 11:59.56 | msou| | One of the guys asked me to put the right gems for the vest for instance |
| 12:00.03 | msou| | And I have no clue what to get or look |
| 12:00.13 | msou| | Since we're doing Ulduar next week |
| 12:00.40 | jnwhiteh | msou|: You buy gems from the AH or a jewelcrafter |
| 12:00.41 | jnwhiteh | they provide bonuses |
| 12:00.43 | Cruciformer | msou|: I think theres a site called www.wowgemfinder.com or something like that. google for wow gems its pretty close to the top of the results. |
| 12:00.49 | jnwhiteh | you shift-right click the item in your inventory to socket them |
| 12:01.27 | msou| | jnwhiteh: Is there difference between Gems or I get whatever is "blue" for the vest? there are like names and what not.. I can buy the one from Dalaran and ask for a JC to do it |
| 12:01.29 | Cruciformer | morning jnwhiteh |
| 12:01.38 | msou| | I know how to put them I just don't know the difference |
| 12:01.50 | jnwhiteh | msou|: What class/role are you |
| 12:01.54 | jnwhiteh | that depends what you socket |
| 12:01.56 | msou| | DK/Unholy |
| 12:02.08 | jnwhiteh | most of the blue rarity gems (not blue color) can go into two different colored slots |
| 12:02.15 | jnwhiteh | if you "match" the colors for each slot, you get the bonus |
| 12:02.20 | Cruciformer | http://www.wow-gem.com/ |
| 12:02.20 | jnwhiteh | but that's normally not worth stressing on. |
| 12:02.29 | msou| | I see |
| 12:02.38 | msou| | You think the ones I can buy from Dalaran are good enough? |
| 12:02.46 | msou| | Costs about 10Emblems |
| 12:02.50 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:03.05 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 12:03.14 | jnwhiteh | you'd want to ask a DK what to socket |
| 12:03.21 | jnwhiteh | i'm not sur e:P |
| 12:03.32 | msou| | Yeah I'm leveling up a priest, much fun to play with :/ |
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| 12:04.18 | Aelobin | argh recursive functions are so annoying to debug xD |
| 12:04.50 | msou| | We're doing Naxx tonight and I'm hoping I get the last thing from Tier7. shoulders I asked if possible to request they said "all guilds do /rolls" and I'm fine with it but three runs for naxx three weeks and got nothing :( |
| 12:05.12 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: amen |
| 12:07.10 | Cruciformer | btw are there any good lua debuggers out there? Outside of wow (if I use Lua in some other project). |
| 12:07.55 | Aelobin | i use SciTE for testing my code :P |
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| 12:08.55 | myrkraverk | Cruciformer, and if worst comes to worst, you can always roll your own lua debugger ;-P |
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| 12:10.09 | Cruciformer | myrkraverk: heh :) Why re-invent the wheel when Lua already has the best and most universal debugger built-in: print :) |
| 12:10.14 | msou| | Brb |
| 12:10.22 | myrkraverk | now, I'll try asking again: is it possible to attach a button to every chat frame, like the class, instead of doing parent="ChatFrame1" in the xml ? |
| 12:11.08 | Aelobin | om "(.([^%w_]))" which capture will return first? |
| 12:11.23 | Aelobin | *in |
| 12:12.18 | Cruciformer | I thought captuers were always returned in the order they appear in the RE, so the outer (. first? |
| 12:13.07 | Aelobin | well i have no idea hence i'm asking xD |
| 12:13.30 | Gotai | Whole thing first, then the ([^%w_]). |
| 12:13.37 | Aelobin | oh hai Gotai |
| 12:13.43 | Cruciformer | I am 99% certain the outer one first. |
| 12:13.56 | Aelobin | and is it possible to pass in your own functions into a gsub replace function? |
| 12:14.10 | Aelobin | *variables |
| 12:14.11 | Aelobin | >_< |
| 12:16.20 | Cruciformer | not sure I follow Aelobin? |
| 12:16.31 | Gotai | That's a common problem. ;) |
| 12:16.41 | Cruciformer | *smile* |
| 12:16.58 | Gotai | I think the answer is yes anyway. If he's asking what I think he's asking. |
| 12:17.02 | Aelobin | str = str:gsub("lol testing (.+)", function (a) return stirng.lower(a) end) |
| 12:17.09 | Aelobin | would i just do function (a, myVar) ? |
| 12:17.53 | Cruciformer | direct from the lua manual: If repl is a function, then this function is called every time a match occurs, with all captured substrings passed as arguments, in order; if the pattern specifies no captures, then the whole match is passed as a sole argument. |
| 12:18.18 | Aelobin | yus but i want to pass a local variable into the functiion too |
| 12:18.26 | Aelobin | so do i put that argument after the other ones? |
| 12:18.31 | Gotai | No. |
| 12:18.43 | Cruciformer | but in the function you could of course just simply use myvar if it was defined outside of the scope of the gsub function |
| 12:19.13 | Aelobin | it's defined outside the scope of the gsub func, but it's also defined within a while loop |
| 12:19.22 | Aelobin | will it still work? |
| 12:19.27 | Gotai | function(a, myVar) dostuff end indicates that the second variable passed to the function will be accessible in the function as myVar. It does not pass an additional variable to the function. |
| 12:19.51 | Cruciformer | you wouldnt need to pass it in, just use it. local myvar = "foo; string.gsub (string, pattern, function (...) do_stuff (myvar, ...); end) |
| 12:19.52 | Aelobin | ah right yeh :p |
| 12:21.33 | Aelobin | atm i've got... while someVar do local myVar = someFunc(3248209); str = str:gsub("lalala pattern (with capture)", replaceFunc) end |
| 12:21.59 | Aelobin | so if i'm defining replaceFunc, is there a way to get myVar into it :P |
| 12:22.24 | Aelobin | oh wait i think i get what you say Cruciformer |
| 12:22.39 | Cruciformer | either make myvar a global or define replacefunc as a local function after the "local myvar" and before the string.gsub. |
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| 12:23.30 | Aelobin | i understand the function (...) do_stuff(myvar, ...) end bit now :P |
| 12:23.51 | Aelobin | this is all within a recursive function :< |
| 12:24.21 | Cruciformer | recursion adds all kinds of funky to the issue :) |
| 12:27.26 | Aelobin | and in a gsub function, if you return false it doesnt sub it? :P |
| 12:29.05 | Cruciformer | correct |
| 12:29.27 | Aelobin | awesome |
| 12:29.27 | Cruciformer | actually false OR nil |
| 12:29.53 | Aelobin | :) |
| 12:30.09 | Adys | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/17/barack-obama-swats-fly |
| 12:30.14 | Adys | can you tell its a slow news day |
| 12:30.24 | Cruciformer | lol |
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| 12:31.18 | Aelobin | xD |
| 12:32.04 | Cruciformer | man what started out as a quick replacement for SKG has turned into a pretty comprehensive loot mod. Seems like this will never be done. |
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| 12:32.44 | Cruciformer | plus I am at the hard bit, figuring how to keep roll lists / dkp lists in sync between admins. |
| 12:32.44 | Aelobin | so the usa are at war now? :P |
| 12:34.10 | Aelobin | me no likey addon sync :P |
| 12:34.13 | Aelobin | tis a pain in the ass |
| 12:34.29 | haste | throw a testicle at it |
| 12:34.34 | haste | or just make one the master :D |
| 12:34.38 | Cruciformer | anyone have any pointers to ways of keeping data in sync thats not too teribly complex (this is wow after all not an RDBMS) |
| 12:34.52 | haste | server/client |
| 12:35.15 | haste | and make it able to sync from clients in-case of a crash |
| 12:35.37 | Cruciformer | haste: one person is the master but they could be offline or on vacation and other officers ina guild still need to do loot, and he still needs to be able to sync up with them when he returns. |
| 12:36.02 | haste | hence why it should be able to sync from clients |
| 12:36.15 | Cruciformer | syncing was the one area where SKG fell down big time |
| 12:37.04 | Cruciformer | haste: yeah ... I was hoping for pointers to an algorthm or two ... but I will go google for it myself :) |
| 12:37.13 | haste | DHT! |
| 12:37.16 | haste | \:D/ |
| 12:37.23 | Cruciformer | dht? |
| 12:38.07 | haste | it won't help you :p |
| 12:38.17 | haste | but I don't see where your problem is |
| 12:38.29 | haste | you just need to make everyone has the most up to date revision of the database |
| 12:38.35 | haste | and that they can see changes made |
| 12:38.51 | haste | and possibly you want to generate a hash for each revision so people can't just modify and push |
| 12:39.05 | Cruciformer | yup I know its filling in the details of the big statements like "and that they see changes made" |
| 12:39.09 | haste | take a look at how git works, it isn't all that complex when it comes to just syncing |
| 12:39.21 | haste | you'll want to have a validator for it tho' |
| 12:39.45 | Cruciformer | ya I can easily do a crc32 or md5 hash to make sure people dont push junk |
| 12:39.58 | haste | so... where's the issue? |
| 12:40.13 | Fisker | y helo thar haste |
| 12:40.16 | Cruciformer | No issue just trying to figure out the exact details is all. |
| 12:41.11 | haste | Cruciformer: read up on the basic idea behing the git revision system, it's pretty much what you want |
| 12:41.14 | haste | Cruciformer: and it's simple :) |
| 12:41.26 | Cruciformer | I will do that ... thank you :) |
| 12:42.09 | Cruciformer | right after I make my ham cheese adn tomato sammich ... brb |
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| 12:48.59 | Cruciformer | hello Lopeppeppy |
| 12:49.09 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 12:50.13 | Aelobin | hi :) |
| 12:50.32 | Lopeppeppy | *wave wave* Caffeine is forbidden to me by law. Now I know why. |
| 12:52.40 | airtonix | how is the correct way to do this : for index,arg in {...} do print(index,arg) end |
| 12:53.11 | airtonix | gah nvm i missed out pairs |
| 13:01.28 | Cruciformer | lua> local foo=true; if (foo) then print ("yes");end |
| 13:01.28 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: yes |
| 13:01.59 | Cruciformer | lua> local foo=false; if (foo) then print ("yes");end |
| 13:02.04 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: No output |
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| 13:03.50 | Cruciformer | i assume Lua does boolean short-circuiting? |
| 13:03.58 | Fisker | stabs |
| 13:05.07 | Aelobin | yeh it does |
| 13:05.35 | Cruciformer | lua> local function f1() return false;end; if (f1() and true) then print ("yes");else print ("no");end |
| 13:05.37 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: no |
| 13:06.23 | Cruciformer | oops that wasnt a good test for it but thanks Aelobin |
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| 13:09.06 | Cruciformer | lua> local function f1() print("f1"); return false;end; local function f2() print ("f2"); return true; end; if (f1() and f2()) then print ("yes");end |
| 13:09.07 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: f1 |
| 13:09.38 | jnwhiteh | lua> function loop() loop() end; print(false and loop()) |
| 13:09.39 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: false |
| 13:09.44 | jnwhiteh | lua> function loop() loop() end; print(true or loop()) |
| 13:09.45 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: true |
| 13:09.48 | jnwhiteh | that's how you properly test it =) |
| 13:10.28 | Cruciformer | :) ty |
| 13:10.28 | krka | lua> = true or print("not printed") |
| 13:10.34 | lua_bot | krka: true |
| 13:10.42 | krka | lua> = false or print("printed") |
| 13:10.45 | lua_bot | krka: printed, nil |
| 13:11.09 | krka | lua> true and print("printed") |
| 13:11.12 | lua_bot | krka: printed, nil |
| 13:11.15 | krka | lua> false and print("not printed") |
| 13:11.21 | lua_bot | krka: false |
| 13:11.30 | Kalroth | wtf |
| 13:13.08 | Cruciformer | i assume nil always evaluates as boolean false? So the way to test for something being set versus being set to false is (if variable = nil) then whatever enbd ... correct? |
| 13:13.29 | jnwhiteh | variable == nil |
| 13:13.30 | Cruciformer | I meant if (variable == nil) |
| 13:13.36 | Gnarfoz | or if not variable |
| 13:13.53 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: if not variable does not do what he's asking |
| 13:14.07 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: can I crash the bot with a true and loop()?! |
| 13:14.07 | krka | lua> = true == nil, false == nil, nil == nil, not not nil |
| 13:14.14 | lua_bot | krka: false, false, true, false |
| 13:14.24 | jnwhiteh | lua> function loop() loop() end loop() |
| 13:14.27 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 13:14.34 | Kalroth | aw |
| 13:14.48 | krka | lua> function loop() return loop() end loop() |
| 13:14.52 | Kalroth | lua> = 0 / 0 |
| 13:14.56 | lua_bot | krka: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 13:14.59 | Gnarfoz | so old ;) |
| 13:15.01 | lua_bot | Kalroth: nan |
| 13:16.20 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 13:21.55 | krka | lua>=("pa%sul ba%sa"):format(1/0,0%0) |
| 13:22.01 | lua_bot | krka: painful banana |
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| 13:22.53 | jnwhiteh | hahaha |
| 13:22.55 | jnwhiteh | that's hilarious |
| 13:23.00 | jnwhiteh | i don't know why |
| 13:23.23 | Cruciformer | i confess I chuckled too |
| 13:23.39 | mikma | what what is hilarious |
| 13:24.02 | msou| | Ok back |
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| 13:24.12 | jnwhiteh | lua>=("pa%sul ba%sa"):format(1/0,0%0) |
| 13:24.13 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: painful banana |
| 13:24.15 | jnwhiteh | i had to read it three times |
| 13:24.19 | jnwhiteh | to figure out what it was doing :P |
| 13:24.49 | msou| | No DKs around I suspect |
| 13:24.56 | mikma | inf nan |
| 13:24.59 | mikma | riiiigh! |
| 13:25.00 | Aelobin | xD |
| 13:26.38 | electric_ | is there any way to escape regex? backslash doesnt seem to do it =( |
| 13:27.35 | Elkano | maybe % |
| 13:28.37 | electric_ | % is a regex tho =P |
| 13:28.49 | Cruciformer | %% |
| 13:28.53 | electric_ | ah |
| 13:28.56 | electric_ | il give it a go |
| 13:29.13 | Adys | ugh |
| 13:29.17 | Adys | dont call this shit regex |
| 13:29.24 | Adys | lua patterns |
| 13:30.06 | electric_ | aha works great, thanks |
| 13:34.39 | Aelobin | is there an easy way to debug recursive functions? :/ |
| 13:34.54 | Adys | Aelobin: download a recursive debugger |
| 13:35.34 | Aelobin | one exists for lua? |
| 13:38.21 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, sometimes keeping an external counter with the recursion depth,and printing out a big debug trace, can help |
| 13:43.38 | krka | =("%x s%gul %x, %x p%sg%scy"):format(12508653,1/0,47806,712173,'re',0%0) |
| 13:43.51 | Adys | lua>("%x s%gul %x, %x p%sg%scy"):format(12508653,1/0,47806,712173,'re',0%0) |
| 13:43.51 | lua_bot | Adys: bedded sinful babe, added pregnancy |
| 13:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | G-mrph? |
| 13:47.53 | Aelobin | omg >_< |
| 13:48.14 | Aelobin | i think i need a break |
| 13:48.41 | msou| | What's DK's hit rating usually 260? |
| 13:48.49 | Aelobin | the ONE problem wasn't with the recursion, it was with the gsub - due to having function (...) replace_func(myvar, ...) end |
| 13:49.03 | Aelobin | i had forgot to put function (...) return replace_func(myvar, ...) end |
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| 13:57.37 | electric_ | lua>string.gsub('The % sat on the mat', "%%", "cat") |
| 13:57.37 | lua_bot | electric_: The cat sat on the mat, 1 |
| 13:57.56 | electric_ | grr so why doesnt that work in my code ¬_¬ |
| 13:58.55 | airtonix | http://files.getdropbox.com/u/180039/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_061709_192006.jpg |
| 13:59.04 | airtonix | class colouring and lines centered ! |
| 13:59.43 | airtonix | i need a tapered line texture now |
| 13:59.46 | haste | confusing lines are confusing~ |
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| 14:00.22 | Cruciformer | has made a new discovery! Trancemute DJ Tiesto to Lua code. |
| 14:00.33 | airtonix | lines drawn from healer to their recipient of their healing spell |
| 14:00.45 | airtonix | based on libHealComm |
| 14:01.13 | jnwhiteh | and why is that useful? |
| 14:01.48 | jnwhiteh | why do you need to know who is healing who? |
| 14:01.58 | airtonix | i belive that some of our healers are not sticking to their assigned targets |
| 14:02.14 | jnwhiteh | combat logs would tell you that! |
| 14:02.20 | airtonix | raid healers healing tanks when raid needs healing and tank healers trying to win meters by healing raid when tank needs healing |
| 14:02.48 | airtonix | faster to see an image than try to read text during a battle |
| 14:03.11 | airtonix | oh wait let me scroll back through 5,000 lines of combat log to see who this healer was healing |
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| 14:03.19 | haste | airtonix: a good healer never sticks to the assigned target |
| 14:03.23 | jnwhiteh | haste: word to that |
| 14:03.28 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:03.28 | airtonix | ? |
| 14:03.30 | haste | a bad healer does however |
| 14:03.42 | airtonix | you're joking right? |
| 14:03.44 | haste | nope |
| 14:03.46 | Aelobin | airtonix: there's an easier script for that, it's called GuildUninvite("name") :p |
| 14:03.48 | Cruciformer | i agree with haste |
| 14:03.48 | haste | I'm dead serious |
| 14:04.00 | airtonix | tank healer on ignis? |
| 14:04.08 | nevcairiel | a good healer takes care that his assigned target survives, but that doesnt mean he *only* heals that target |
| 14:04.18 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.18 | airtonix | trying to heal a healing priest in the pot when tank obviously needs more healing |
| 14:04.25 | kneeki | A good healer heals me when I'm low, cus I'm top dps! |
| 14:04.33 | Cruciformer | a good healer knows when [s]he has idle cycles in their healing and if their assigned target is in good shape and others arent, and they have the mana and time, they absolutely SHOULD heal non-assigned targets. |
| 14:04.42 | nevcairiel | you know that the priest in the pot could actually heal himself? =) |
| 14:04.49 | airtonix | tank healer on ignis should never be trying to heal anything else |
| 14:04.58 | haste | the priest in the pot can keep himself and the tank alive at once |
| 14:05.01 | haste | amazing! |
| 14:05.04 | airtonix | nevcairiel, tell that to the tank healer trying to win meters |
| 14:05.22 | Cruciformer | so winning meters is the issue not off-assignment healing :) |
| 14:05.25 | haste | tell him he sucks and should delete the meter addon |
| 14:05.27 | Aelobin | you should make it monitor health of assigned targets for certain healers, and see if they're underhealing their assignment, or actually bonus healing some others while no effecting their assignement :P |
| 14:05.30 | airtonix | i am that priest in the pot, at which point i switch from flash heal to binding heal |
| 14:05.59 | airtonix | i boggle at the fact that they even bother to try and heal me when the tank needs the healing more |
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| 14:07.10 | haste | I boggle at your boggling! |
| 14:07.13 | Aelobin | gogo logging system Healer => Target (pre-heal hp), Assignment hp :P |
| 14:07.16 | airtonix | i r boggling |
| 14:07.36 | airtonix | Aelobin, extrapolate |
| 14:07.45 | Aelobin | whats that word mean 0.o |
| 14:08.00 | airtonix | expand on your idea |
| 14:08.10 | Aelobin | ah |
| 14:08.18 | mikma | airtonix: i heard that you are an idiot |
| 14:09.20 | Aelobin | hmmm |
| 14:09.23 | Aelobin | dnno how to explain it |
| 14:09.52 | Aelobin | each time a healer heals someone who they aren't assigned to, it logs their assignment's hp and the person they healed's hp |
| 14:10.12 | Aelobin | so you can see if they made the right choice in switching to healing the tank, or not :P |
| 14:11.05 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. |
| 14:11.06 | Aelobin | or only log it if their assignment is -20% hp or so :P - only an idea extended from your original one |
| 14:11.19 | Lopeppeppy | I really hated it when other healers sniped my assignments and left me with nothing to do. |
| 14:11.30 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins are single target healers, stop stealing the only target I have... *frown* |
| 14:11.52 | airtonix | mikma apparently thinks otherwise? |
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| 14:18.21 | Lothaer | g'day |
| 14:21.48 | Lothaer | hmmm *"Added a new pattern for Flask of the North, usable by players with a high alchemy skill. The recipe is purchased from the honor potion vendor. The Flask of the North increases your spell power, attack power, or Strength for 1 hour, and is usable in arenas. It is not consumed when used." |
| 14:23.26 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/17/funny-pictures-for-door-handels/ |
| 14:24.23 | Lothaer | LOL lazer kitty :D |
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| 14:33.51 | Lopeppeppy | it is not consumed when used... okay... |
| 14:36.15 | zenzelezz | lazer kitties do not get consumed |
| 14:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | Well of course not, they are an infinite resource, coming from another dimension as they do. |
| 14:40.05 | Aelobin | anyone know where i can find the windows address book storage file on a harddrive? :P |
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| 14:41.35 | sacarasc | Is there any way of knowing what quests one has previously done? |
| 14:41.46 | Cruciformer | no |
| 14:42.01 | sacarasc | Damn. |
| 14:42.29 | Cruciformer | not unless you had a quest tracker mod running at the time you did them and recorded it that way. |
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| 14:51.16 | Cruciformer | Note to self: Never try to explain to a non-technical 68-year old mother how to use an RPN calculator |
| 14:57.59 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:58.16 | Gnarfoz | that's can't be your mother, though, right? |
| 14:59.30 | Cruciformer | yup. She needed a calulator, only one she found was my Dad's old HP 12c |
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| 15:00.57 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy!!!!!!! |
| 15:01.00 | Gnarfoz | your mom is 68 and you're retired? |
| 15:01.01 | Gnarfoz | o_O |
| 15:01.13 | Gnarfoz | how does that work, I think I need a calculator :D |
| 15:01.28 | Cruciformer | yar ... I retired a few weeks short of my 40th birthday. Google was good for my finances :) |
| 15:01.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis!! |
| 15:01.43 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: neighbour community cat was outside our house today, beside our car... she was giving birth!!! 4 kittens so far, she had a 5th while we were watching |
| 15:01.50 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: ah, I see |
| 15:01.54 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: did we remember to notify you of the channel tax? |
| 15:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | Awwwww... |
| 15:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | Did you take her inside somewhere? She can't live with her kittens under your car! |
| 15:02.22 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: this channel can be taxing at times, I noticed that on my own :) |
| 15:02.38 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: she was beside the car, and the neighbours took her in for right now, she's still giving birth... damn thing should've kept her tail down! |
| 15:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | Damn humans should have adopted her and spayed her. *poke* |
| 15:03.24 | Cruciformer | I hate it when people dont spey/neute their pets :/ |
| 15:03.24 | AckisWork | she's a bit wild, otherwise people would've taken her in I'm sure |
| 15:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | Well, at least hopefully now that she's been taken in, she'll get into a shelter, get taken care of , and her babies adopted. |
| 15:03.54 | Lopeppeppy | If I could come get one, I totally would. I want another cat very badly. |
| 15:04.10 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: we're going to take her to the SPCA today, and no you can't have her kittens, they need their mommy right now |
| 15:04.14 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: What type of cat do you like? |
| 15:04.30 | Fisker | herrow Gnarfoz |
| 15:04.37 | Gnarfoz | throws Fisker a fish |
| 15:04.49 | Gnarfoz | still lookin' for ye bukkit? |
| 15:04.54 | Cruciformer | Im partial to Persians myself, especially Chinchilla persians |
| 15:05.04 | Lopeppeppy | Cruciformer, I have a female american shorthair tiger tabby mutt right now. I'd take in any friendly cat to be her pair, but it must be female. I'd prefer shorter hair, since I'm allergic. |
| 15:05.25 | Cruciformer | ah then persians are DEFINITELY not for you |
| 15:05.53 | Cruciformer | when Tammy's winter coat grows out its like there was a fur exlosion in teh house. |
| 15:06.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I can't do the long haired ones very well, although I'd get over that for the right Maine Coon. |
| 15:06.23 | Gnarfoz | (why don't I get why people with cat allergies have cats? ^^) |
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| 15:06.32 | Cruciformer | she's awefully cute tho .. especially when I open the fridge door and rustle the deli ham wrappings. |
| 15:06.36 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: you know I've had short/medium hair cats that cause me more issues than long hair ones, it all matters about how uch they shed |
| 15:07.11 | Gnarfoz | also, omg I can live off these noodles for the next 3 days, WHAT HAVE I DONE |
| 15:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | Very true, Ackis, but long hair is just askin' for it. |
| 15:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz, did you cook an entire box at once or something? |
| 15:07.27 | Cruciformer | AckisWork: Persians shed a great deal as the seasons change if you dont brush them at least once a day, preferably twice or 3 times. |
| 15:07.32 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: cute cuddly creatures give benefits above and beyond the issues associated with allergies |
| 15:07.43 | AckisWork | Cruciformer: I just get my kitties from the SPCA |
| 15:08.00 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: something like that, yeah ;D |
| 15:08.03 | AckisWork | oh Lopeppeppy we had a vet appointment the other day for our newest member, he's 100% ok :D (except he's an asshole) |
| 15:08.04 | zenzelezz | http://www.hovlandsdal.com:7080/~zenzelezz/IMG_0003.JPG -- my cat showing her "happy face" (really big image, can't be bothered to scale down) |
| 15:08.25 | Cruciformer | I really love long-haired cats. When I was a child my mom used to breed Persians so thats what I got used to, and the SPCA rarely has long-haired cats. |
| 15:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you can train him out of asshattery, I'm glad he's healthy |
| 15:08.45 | Gnarfoz | train cats? hoho |
| 15:08.50 | Gnarfoz | bold motives :> |
| 15:09.11 | zenzelezz | cats don't learn, they just play along for a while |
| 15:09.18 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: lol he has this habbit now of going and sleeping in the box spring of our bed |
| 15:09.35 | Cruciformer | http://www.keanjohnston.com/photos/content/0Y5D0038_large.html - my little princess (intentionally over-exposed for the photo-critics out there) |
| 15:09.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... yeah, you can't cure him of that without curing him of sleeping under the bed entirely, sadly. |
| 15:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | You need to re-seal the box spring to prevent it. |
| 15:09.57 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: wow, those eyes look huge :-o |
| 15:10.14 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: he clawed through it to get into it the first time, when we saw it I paniced and ripped a hole in it to get the little shit out |
| 15:10.14 | Cruciformer | they are ... and in the right light such a piercing bright blue |
| 15:10.57 | AckisWork | pfft all you n00bs, only pictures of your critters? L2Video!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYBhcGtk7SI kekek :D |
| 15:11.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, the stuff they line a box spring with is very flimsy. Buy a king sized sheet and staple-gun it right over the top. He cannot claw through a sheet the same way. |
| 15:11.19 | zenzelezz | I can barely get my cat to sit still for a photo, let alone hope for capturing a video |
| 15:11.23 | AckisWork | zenzelezz: your cat looks like it wants to kill me |
| 15:11.31 | Cruciformer | I need a camera that can take video, hence my birthday present to myself, a new canon |
| 15:11.35 | AckisWork | Cruciformer: your cat looks FLUFFY!! :D |
| 15:11.44 | zenzelezz | AckisWork: I got the same feeling when I was taking that picture... notice she's drooling too |
| 15:11.47 | Cruciformer | AckisWork: lol she sure is :) |
| 15:12.21 | Cruciformer | and since I shave my head, and am partial to grey sweats, when I cradle her I feel terribly like Dr. Evil :P |
| 15:12.36 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:12.57 | Cruciformer | even tho I look more like Uncle Fester :) |
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| 15:22.57 | cogwheel | feels bad for his kitteh... I'd hate to spend 3 days in a strange place with a tube up my... yeah. |
| 15:23.10 | AckisWork | I thought you liked things up your bum |
| 15:23.19 | cogwheel | not bum |
| 15:23.20 | zenzelezz | cogwheel: yeah, got to hate it when that happens |
| 15:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | Texas catheters for the win. |
| 15:24.17 | zenzelezz | are those particularly large and self-absorbed catheters? |
| 15:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | No... external ones. |
| 15:24.34 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: i got it |
| 15:24.47 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 15:28.44 | Cruciformer | non-wowui question: Does anyone have any experience with converting raw images to jpg with open source software? |
| 15:29.08 | Cruciformer | (specifically canon CR2) |
| 15:29.21 | AckisWork | I'm sorry you can't ask non-wowui questions here |
| 15:29.25 | AckisWork | ~rlart |
| 15:29.25 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks TecnoBrat over |
| 15:29.36 | Lopeppeppy | afk lunchings |
| 15:29.52 | ckknight | Cruciformer: ImageMagick |
| 15:30.15 | Cruciformer | oh it does cr2? Sweeet ... I love imagemagick |
| 15:30.18 | Lopeppeppy | I use GIMP as my free image manipulation software, very similar to Photoshop only lighter. |
| 15:30.26 | nicoli_s | gimp is the shit |
| 15:30.31 | ckknight | trufax |
| 15:31.19 | Cruciformer | Iown photoshop so I never saw the need for gimp personally. But I wanted to have a dynamic website that I could just dump my raw images to and have it extract the exif, make thumbnails, convert images from raw to jpg etc |
| 15:31.42 | Cruciformer | PerlMagick ftw if it can handle cr2 well. |
| 15:31.54 | ckknight | I'd use ImageMagick for something like that |
| 15:32.01 | ckknight | it probably can handle it |
| 15:32.02 | ckknight | I dunno, though |
| 15:32.20 | AckisWork | http://www.pawnation.com/2009/06/16/week-old-puppy-recovering-after-being-flushed-down-the-toilet |
| 15:32.21 | Cruciformer | ckknight: yeah that will be my first stop ... I forgot what a useful tool imagemagick is. |
| 15:33.01 | Cruciformer | AckisWork: I can tell from teh title that story will break my heart soI wont even read it. cant STAND cruelty to animals. |
| 15:33.08 | ckknight | aw, AckisWork |
| 15:33.27 | phyber | graphicsmagick and get it done quicker! :o |
| 15:33.28 | AckisWork | Cruciformer: it's not a heart-breaking story, it has a happy ending and wasn't done out of malicousness |
| 15:33.39 | Cruciformer | ah ok then ... thanks |
| 15:37.10 | Tem|work | oh wow |
| 15:37.16 | Tem|work | you guys see the profession changes? |
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| 15:37.29 | Tem|work | joke's on me for holding onto BS this whole time waiting for epic gems |
| 15:37.30 | nicoli_s | lots o new shit |
| 15:38.28 | AckisWork | useless shit for me IMO |
| 15:38.34 | AckisWork | alchemy we get a PVP flask... cool? |
| 15:38.35 | ZorbaTHut | tem, yeah, now we still have the same bonuses everyone else does, only ours are incredibly expensive :D |
| 15:38.38 | ZorbaTHut | siiigh |
| 15:38.49 | widgertick | ROFL |
| 15:38.58 | widgertick | @ Blacksmithing |
| 15:39.00 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, I'm not sure it's a "pvp flask" so much as an "infinitely reusable flask" |
| 15:39.22 | ZorbaTHut | (which is purchased with honor, so, welp) |
| 15:40.06 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: ah may have misread that... |
| 15:40.18 | AckisWork | I know the mana potions become infinitly reusable |
| 15:40.22 | ZorbaTHut | I believe it said "the flask will not be consumed", or something along those lines |
| 15:40.37 | ZorbaTHut | no idea how good it'll be compared to real flasks, though |
| 15:40.52 | Cruciformer | ckknight: Just FYI I also came across a promising command line tool called "dcraw" |
| 15:41.01 | ckknight | hmm |
| 15:41.06 | ckknight | haven't heard of it |
| 15:41.19 | Cruciformer | http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ |
| 15:41.28 | ckknight | Tem: mind linking? |
| 15:41.53 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: what I'm interested in finding out is the mixology buffs |
| 15:41.59 | AckisWork | enchanting got screwed IMO |
| 15:42.19 | zenzelezz | ckknight: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17779501837&pageNo=1#0 |
| 15:42.41 | ZorbaTHut | didn't their ring enchants get buffed? |
| 15:43.40 | AckisWork | not sure to what level yet |
| 15:43.49 | ZorbaTHut | I'm amused that engineering got buffed though. they laughed at me, but it's actually a spectacular profession for tanks :D |
| 15:43.51 | AckisWork | engineering needs to become a secondary profession |
| 15:44.00 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I honestly agree. either that or it needs more useful toys |
| 15:44.09 | |Jelly| | ^^^ |
| 15:44.24 | ZorbaTHut | it's fun and I like having wacky gizmos, but it really doesn't fit with the rest of the professions right now, either in general usefulness or in self-buffs |
| 15:44.51 | Cruciformer | hey |Jelly| - you wanted to know about my experience with worldoflogs' live update thingy? |
| 15:44.55 | nevcairiel | it never did, and it probably never really will |
| 15:44.59 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 15:45.36 | Cruciformer | tried it out in maly/OS and it worked really well. During combat it doesnt try upload but when a fight is over it trickle-feeds the data up to the website. |
| 15:45.57 | Cruciformer | The only complain I had is the raid was poorly marked in the report list but after a while it eventually got the zone right |
| 15:45.57 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: btw I got OS10 3D last night and the mount... putting me at 99 mounts lol |
| 15:46.01 | nevcairiel | i used it for the last few weeks (until i stopped raiding), its really awesome |
| 15:46.09 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, lucky SOB |
| 15:46.15 | |Jelly| | interesting |
| 15:46.21 | ZorbaTHut | I need to get into some os10 3d groups, but unfortunately the only people who can do those are in my guild |
| 15:46.24 | ZorbaTHut | and most aren't interested |
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| 15:47.12 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: guild knows I'm close to the 100 mount achievement so the winner gave me the mount |
| 15:47.19 | ZorbaTHut | nice :D |
| 15:47.28 | zenzelezz | now you're his boy toy |
| 15:47.30 | Cruciformer | |Jelly|: so its pretty useful if you can take the time during a break to analyse the data, see who isnt peforming etc. |
| 15:47.57 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:48.07 | ZorbaTHut | I'm at like 78 now |
| 15:48.08 | ZorbaTHut | got a ways to go |
| 15:48.25 | Rincewind` | ckknight: is fubar still being developed ? there was a really nice addon called fubar_duratek and it has just vanished off the face of the earth it seems, I still use it, but is nowhere to be found anymore. the current fubar_durability one on curse is no where near as good imo. |
| 15:48.39 | AckisWork | is the 100 mount mount a 310 mount or 280/ |
| 15:48.44 | Gnarfoz | 280 |
| 15:49.01 | ckknight | Rincewind`: you might want to try out a databroker-based solution |
| 15:49.17 | Gnarfoz | only known 310%'s are Ashes, Gladiator Mounts, Raid Protos and Achievement Proto |
| 15:49.35 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: wtf really? you would think after 100 mounts they'd give you a 310% moutn |
| 15:49.39 | Rincewind` | ckknight: what do you mean ? as in not use fubar anymore ? |
| 15:49.58 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: isn't the 100 mount achievement mount an achievement mount? |
| 15:50.01 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: it's bad enough they've been giving them away like candy with gladiator mounts and soon to be, the Achievement mount :) |
| 15:50.04 | ckknight | yea |
| 15:50.16 | ckknight | I plan on returning to FuBar, but I got a lot on my plate |
| 15:50.18 | Gnarfoz | *the* achievement mount, What A Long Strange Trip It's Been < that one |
| 15:50.21 | zenzelezz | or is the 100 mount thing not a proto at all? |
| 15:50.30 | AckisWork | ahh that one |
| 15:50.30 | Gnarfoz | it's not, no |
| 15:50.36 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 15:50.37 | AckisWork | not a lot of people will get it IMO |
| 15:50.42 | AckisWork | zenzelezz: it's a dragonhawk |
| 15:50.46 | Gnarfoz | it's a dragon..hawk..fly-thingy |
| 15:50.56 | zenzelezz | I'm still at 12 mounts, so I can't say I'm very versed in the achievement ones :-o |
| 15:51.10 | Rincewind` | ckknight: but fubar is really good, oh I see, well it still works in wow as do the third party plugins, so will await your return to it. |
| 15:51.34 | ckknight | Rincewind`: yea, I've been busy with real life work and such (developing wowace and curseforge) |
| 15:51.39 | |Jelly| | Could get FuBar and then Broker2FuBar and then a Broker addon like he said. :P |
| 15:53.16 | ckknight | yea, that's viable |
| 15:53.33 | ckknight | when I return to FuBar, I plan to make it support DataBroker plugins out-of-the-box |
| 15:53.36 | |Jelly| | Hell of a way to go around your ass to get to your elbows, so to speak, though. |
| 15:53.46 | Rincewind` | ckknight: I see I miss the old wowace updater, but all in all, the curse one is pretty good too imo, dont see what all the fuss is about from people who liked wowmatrix, miss the update all button, but I paid for the premium thing and its not so bad, not that expensive really. |
| 15:53.49 | ckknight | |Jelly|: omg, teh elbows |
| 15:54.13 | Fisker | tbh Blizzard should make the flying skill dependant on how fast you go |
| 15:54.13 | ckknight | Rincewind`: I think WAU is romanticized too much |
| 15:54.22 | ckknight | Fisker: did you get my link yesterday? |
| 15:55.19 | Rincewind` | ckknight: I think it did what it needed to, and wasn't too fussed as to if it looked pretty or not. |
| 15:55.28 | AckisWork | Fisker: you only last 10 seconds so would you have a 9001% mount? |
| 15:55.30 | zenzelezz | personally I didn't like the wowace updater, it had a habit of crashing on my computer |
| 15:55.52 | ckknight | well, the new CC 4.0 is looking very pimp |
| 15:56.31 | nicoli_s | indeed it is |
| 15:56.33 | nicoli_s | with theming! |
| 15:56.56 | Cruciformer | CC? |
| 15:56.58 | Rincewind` | I have to agree, but wau was fine with my pc. |
| 15:57.04 | Rincewind` | curse client |
| 15:57.05 | nicoli_s | curse client |
| 15:57.09 | Cruciformer | oh Curse Client |
| 15:57.21 | Cruciformer | lol yeah I got it right after I asked |
| 15:57.59 | nicoli_s | using it right now actuaklly |
| 15:58.00 | AckisWork | Curse Client |
| 15:58.41 | Gnarfoz | giev CC 4 |
| 15:58.43 | Gnarfoz | :| |
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| 16:00.26 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 16:00.55 | zenzelezz | no wai |
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| 16:06.10 | Cide | with teaming? |
| 16:06.12 | Cide | er |
| 16:06.12 | Xuerian | Anyone else had their addons scraped by Brothersoft.com? >_> |
| 16:06.14 | Cide | with theming? |
| 16:06.22 | Cide | sounds like feature bloat to me :/ |
| 16:07.33 | airtonix | Rincewind`, attrition > duratek |
| 16:07.49 | Rincewind` | oh I never heard of that |
| 16:07.53 | Rincewind` | is that on curse ? |
| 16:08.04 | airtonix | dockingstation > fubar |
| 16:08.10 | airtonix | wowinterface |
| 16:08.27 | Rincewind` | curse client dont work with wowinterface tho |
| 16:08.38 | airtonix | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/project-7857/ |
| 16:08.53 | Cide | it's not like it's possible to download from their site |
| 16:09.08 | Cide | today's users are fricking spoiled |
| 16:09.09 | airtonix | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw17343_thumb.png |
| 16:09.09 | ckknight | Xuerian: me |
| 16:09.30 | airtonix | Rincewind`, list the plugins you use for fubar please |
| 16:09.36 | Rincewind` | but curse client keeps my addons uptodate and I paid for it. |
| 16:09.39 | Xuerian | ckknight: Heh. Just got a "registration confirmation" then four added file notices this morning, randomly. |
| 16:10.27 | Rincewind` | airtonix: ok will take me a min or two. |
| 16:11.08 | AckisWork | Xuerian: http://search.brothersoft.com/wow-addon/?stype=games |
| 16:11.14 | airtonix | RaidFramesPlus is great for bringin debuff highlighting to the default raid frame interface but is there one that does it for the default party interface? |
| 16:11.29 | Xuerian | Ackis: Oh, what fun |
| 16:12.24 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: http://www.brothersoft.com/wow-addon---questhelper-247445.html |
| 16:12.29 | Rincewind` | airtonix: AlchemyFu, AmmoFu, ArenaFu, AtlasFu, BagFu, ClockFu, CraftTimersFu, DuraTek, ExperienceFu, FactionsFu, GroupFu, HonorFu, IceHudFu, KillMeterFu, LocationFu, LootTypeFu, MCPFu, MoneyFu, PerformanceFu, PetFu, RecZoneFu, TrackerFu, VolumeFu, FuTextures |
| 16:12.42 | Rincewind` | DeuceCommander |
| 16:12.43 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm not really sure how much I care. is anyone actually gonna download from there? |
| 16:13.07 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: lol aye |
| 16:13.33 | airtonix | Rincewind`, ok i'll list the ones your using that i know have broker counterparts : CraftTimersFu : Ara_Tradeskills |
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| 16:15.36 | AckisWork | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/funny-pictures-cat-does-not-need-door-handles.jpg PEW PEW |
| 16:16.03 | airtonix | Rincewind`, CraftTimersFu : Ara_Broker_Tradeskills, Duratek : Attrition, MoneyFu ; Ara_Broker_Money , ExperienceFu : Ara_Broker_XP, PerformanceFu : BrokerCPU, |
| 16:16.18 | Aelobin | Cruciformer: how does SK looting work? O_o |
| 16:16.29 | Xuerian | ZorbaTHut: That's actually a pretty good point. |
| 16:17.01 | Cruciformer | Suicide kings? Its basically an odered list. You have one or more roll lists with all raiders on the lists, in a certain order. When loot drops and people want an item, they bid on it. |
| 16:17.03 | Rincewind` | airtonix: cool thank you, so those addons would work with dockingstation ? |
| 16:17.23 | Aelobin | lists have a smell? :P |
| 16:17.25 | Cruciformer | If they are the highest number on the list of people that bid, they win the item, and drop to the bottom of the list, and everyone else moves up it. |
| 16:17.46 | Xuerian | How are new people added to the list? Just at the bottom? |
| 16:17.50 | Aelobin | so it's like a queue :P |
| 16:18.17 | Cruciformer | it ensures a pretty even distribution of loot throughout the guild, so people cant hoarde DKP and get overgeared in comparison to the rest of the guild. |
| 16:18.38 | Cruciformer | Xuerian: you can either add them at the bottom or insert them at a random position, as your guild choses. |
| 16:18.59 | Cruciformer | the whole point of SK is that you move quickly through the lists though. |
| 16:19.45 | Aelobin | why is there more than 1 list? |
| 16:19.54 | Cruciformer | Plus lets say there is only 1 DK in teh raid and DK-specific loot drops, and that person is the only bidder, they can get all the loot. Unless you support negative DKP, if they dont have enough DKP to "buy" the item, they wouldnt be able to. |
| 16:20.05 | Aelobin | is it like healer/tank/dps and each type of armor like plate/mail etc ? |
| 16:20.20 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: simply a matter of choice. Many people just use 1 list, we use 3: One for raiders, 1 for tier tokens, and one for offspec/alts. |
| 16:20.28 | ZorbaTHut | I gotta say that *not* support negative dkp is just silly. any loot system that involves items being disenchanted when they could be useful is silly |
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| 16:20.50 | Cruciformer | so it doscourages people trying to hold onto their list position hoping for a t8.5 token. |
| 16:20.50 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=17779802283&sid=3000#1 <-Quite obviously never played SC1 |
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| 16:21.10 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: I agree |
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| 16:21.37 | Tem|work | widgertick: pretty much.... I resisted the urge to level jewelcrafting because I knew we'd get epic gems eventually and BS would be a stronger bonus then |
| 16:21.41 | Tem|work | but no |
| 16:21.55 | Tem|work | epic gems finally come out and they buff everything else |
| 16:21.57 | Cruciformer | it has been my experience that SK gets more loot to more people more quickly than dkp. I never tried EG/GP although that may be effective at even distribution too. |
| 16:21.58 | Tem|work | *rage* |
| 16:22.15 | Cruciformer | RP/GP I meant |
| 16:22.25 | Cruciformer | oh my lord ... EP/GP ... finally. |
| 16:22.26 | Tem|work | Cruciformer: Loot Council >> any dkp system |
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| 16:22.45 | Tem|work | As long as you can trust your officers, the system is fantastic |
| 16:22.53 | Xuerian | Fisker: Maybe not, but that was one of the best things about Earth2150, the fine-grained unit behavior controls :P |
| 16:22.58 | Cruciformer | Tem|work: thats a lot of work and can cause a lot of drama in the guild though, although I dont necessarily disagree with you. |
| 16:23.01 | Tem|work | (and if you can't trust your officers, they shouldn't be officers or you should be in another guild) |
| 16:23.16 | Tem|work | My guild has used it since BWL |
| 16:23.26 | Tem|work | and hasn't had ANY drama |
| 16:23.31 | Tem|work | also, it's not a lot of work at all |
| 16:23.43 | Tem|work | it was a little bit harder at the start of ulduar |
| 16:23.43 | Cruciformer | Tem|work: How long does it take to loot though? Coz with a mod for SK (like the one I am writing) it goes pretty quickly. Over and done in about a minute. |
| 16:23.45 | Mikk | Yes. EP/GP. Go, go, get it, use it, win. |
| 16:23.48 | Fisker | I think you're reading the wrong post Xuerian |
| 16:23.56 | Xuerian | Fisker: .... o rite. |
| 16:24.00 | Xuerian | Still D: |
| 16:24.03 | Tem|work | when like half the raid wanted tier tokens |
| 16:24.10 | Fisker | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=17779802283&sid=3000#2 <-puts it quite nicely |
| 16:24.10 | Tem|work | Cruciformer: it takes a few minutes at most |
| 16:24.23 | Tem|work | when there's a high interest item or a hard decision to make |
| 16:24.36 | Tem|work | most of the time, though, only 1 or 2 people want an item |
| 16:24.48 | Tem|work | and it's easy to make the decision |
| 16:25.09 | Xuerian | Fisker: Ah, duh. I'd still want Hold Position, Hold Area, and Hold Position (Passive) :p |
| 16:25.19 | Fisker | of course |
| 16:25.31 | Cruciformer | Mikk: So you have used EP/GP? |
| 16:25.45 | Mikk | EP/GP is effective at even distribution. You can't really end up with a situation where a single player has dibs on the next 10 pieces of loot that drops. |
| 16:26.08 | Cruciformer | Do you need to assign "costs" to each itme for it to work? |
| 16:26.13 | Mikk | One thing I also like is that it doesn't weigh in "old earnings" as much |
| 16:26.20 | Cruciformer | or does it work off ilevel / slot etc? |
| 16:26.25 | ZorbaTHut | I'm thinking of turning my guild dkp system into ebay-style bidding so that bidding wars are faster |
| 16:26.26 | Mikk | It works off of ilvl*slotmod |
| 16:26.58 | NeoTron | ZorbaTHut: magicdkp + magicdkp client! ;-) |
| 16:27.15 | Mikk | EP/GP also has the benefit of making looting early beneficial |
| 16:27.18 | ZorbaTHut | we're currently using webdkp, which is pretty much a butt |
| 16:27.26 | NeoTron | assuming "ebay like bidding" is paying 2nd highest + something |
| 16:27.32 | Cruciformer | Mikk: when I looked (briefly) at EP/GP it talked a lot about some base value you had to set and the magic behind that value, and I didnt grok that. |
| 16:27.37 | Mikk | "GP" that you have accrued (by looting), decays by a % each week/month/raid (whatever you decide on) |
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| 16:27.51 | Mikk | So if you have a lot, you decay more actual points |
| 16:28.04 | Mikk | And since you can't ever decay down below 0 ... well.. there's nothing to save |
| 16:28.11 | Mikk | So point hoarding becomes pretty moot |
| 16:28.18 | ZorbaTHut | magicdkp looks pretty nice, though |
| 16:28.52 | AckisWork | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/17/17779501466-arena-tournament-realm-status--online.html <-- what does this mean? I can play on the tourney realm? Do I get anything from it? |
| 16:29.01 | Mikk | As for the UI, it's piss easy. A piece of loot drops. You say "who wants". N people say they want it. You look up which one has the highest loot priority. He wins. He loots. You get a prompt to confirm the GP assignment to the player. |
| 16:29.06 | Cruciformer | Mikk: and can ep/gp be used entirely within game or do you need a website behind it too? |
| 16:29.13 | Mikk | Entirely within the game |
| 16:29.20 | Mikk | The ONE thing you might balk at |
| 16:29.25 | Mikk | Is that it uses officer notes for score storage |
| 16:29.26 | Lunessa | AckisWork Xuerian - http://www.brothersoft.com/info/copyright/ Complain. :) |
| 16:29.48 | Cruciformer | that sounds like an implementation detail that can be fixed by a different mod tho |
| 16:29.49 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Eh, then I'm already good to go. Fired one off soon as I checked my email |
| 16:29.58 | Lunessa | Good man. |
| 16:30.03 | AckisWork | Lunessa: none of my stuff was hosted |
| 16:30.04 | Mikk | Yeah that's an implementation detail, and not tied to the EP/GP math itself |
| 16:30.04 | Xuerian | Ty for the link, though |
| 16:30.14 | Xuerian | ~comfort AckisWork |
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| 16:30.16 | Mikk | But the existing implementation uses officer notes |
| 16:30.20 | Xuerian | ... |
| 16:30.25 | Mikk | And tbh while it was a bit meh to not have the notes to play with anymore |
| 16:30.30 | Mikk | It's DAMN convenient |
| 16:30.35 | Mikk | You NEVER have pointslists that can go out of date |
| 16:30.43 | Mikk | You can't get screwed over by a RL disconnecting mid raid |
| 16:30.52 | Mikk | It's always up to date |
| 16:31.01 | Cruciformer | Mikk: I had always planned on extending this mod I am currently writing to support tradition and bidding DKP as well as EP/GP and you can bet your bottom dollar I wont use onotes to store data :) |
| 16:31.08 | Aelobin | and everyone can see their points whether they got the addon or not Mikk? :P |
| 16:31.24 | Mikk | Aelobin: If you set officer notes to be viewable by everyone, yes. |
| 16:31.51 | Aelobin | hmm i made an addon like that once :P |
| 16:32.13 | Aelobin | it imported guildomaticdkp values into the guild list, and if you put it in public note you could order the guild list by dkp xD |
| 16:32.15 | Mikk | Since before WoW, we've ran traditional dkp, roll+bonus (which resets), and zerosum dkp |
| 16:32.26 | Cruciformer | I would absolutely *love* it if Blizzard introduced an API where you can have access to some server-stored, build-member specific storage other than notes. Something specifically for addons. |
| 16:32.28 | Mikk | This is the first system we can't find a fault with |
| 16:32.56 | Cruciformer | Mikk: Did you ever look at suicide kings? Its been extremely good for us ... but of course everyone's mileage may vary. |
| 16:33.17 | Mikk | And like I said, I'm really liking the EP/GP theory where things you did a year ago don't really help you today |
| 16:33.21 | Mikk | Nor does loot you got a long time ago |
| 16:33.37 | Mikk | The way it decays makes only the last few months matter in any significant way |
| 16:33.50 | Cruciformer | yeah I guess that discourages both absenteeism and hoarding. |
| 16:34.19 | Mikk | One thing we also did was set "MIN_EP", i.e. the lowest amount of Effort Points (being in raids!) you need to be a part of the system |
| 16:34.45 | Mikk | After some initial whining from casuals, it does solve the problem of casuals nabbing in, getting lucky, and grabbing some great piece of loot |
| 16:34.46 | Cruciformer | yeah that was the magic value I was refering to earlier .. exactly how does that work into it? |
| 16:34.52 | Mikk | There's two values |
| 16:35.08 | Lunessa | Ahhh... Loot systems. Designed in general, to reduce the likelyhood that someone will get to be a douche about the piece of loot YOU wanted. |
| 16:35.22 | Mikk | "MIN_EP" = You have to have above this level of attendance to take part in the system. We set it to 50% of whoever's on top (best attendance). |
| 16:35.53 | Mikk | "BASE_GP" = Points that get added to your current GP in all calculations. This has several implications. |
| 16:35.59 | Mikk | Like the GP decaying faster. |
| 16:36.48 | Mikk | And solving corner cases of nubs having 2 EP / 1 GP = prio 2. Versus a raider with 200 EP / 150 GP = prio 1.3 (LOWER) |
| 16:37.28 | Mikk | With a base GP of e.g. 100 in there it becomes 2 / 101 = 0.02 and 200/250 = 0.8 (HIGHER) |
| 16:37.54 | Mikk | I set that at 200 at the start and didn't look back |
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| 16:38.32 | Mikk | So yeah... my recommendations if you want to run ep/gp: Set BASE_GP to 200, don't care why. Set MIN_EP to a % of your highest EP raider. |
| 16:38.43 | ZorbaTHut | IMHO, loot systems should do three things: be efficient such that loot can be distributed quickly, be unarguably fair to avoid drama and whining, and do at least a vaguely competent job of keeping people feeling like they're getting upgrades |
| 16:38.45 | Mikk | Decay about 15% a week |
| 16:39.24 | Aelobin | what about ChessDKP? |
| 16:39.35 | Aelobin | every drop is rolled for via a chess tournament, winner takes it |
| 16:39.45 | Mikk | That sounds umm inefficient :P |
| 16:39.49 | Aelobin | xD |
| 16:39.51 | ZorbaTHut | I feel that would fail on all of those points ;) |
| 16:39.58 | ZorbaTHut | (albeit in a hilarious fashion) |
| 16:40.09 | Cruciformer | mikk: That MIN_EP ... how does that work when you are bootstrapping the system? Is it just a number or do you set it to "50" to be 50% of highest attendance? |
| 16:40.20 | Aelobin | *downs first boss in ulduar*.... "ok take a seat guys, lets begin" |
| 16:40.25 | Mikk | It's a hard number so needs to be updated as you go |
| 16:40.33 | Mikk | Like once a week |
| 16:41.17 | Mikk | I wouldn't mind if it could be a % myself |
| 16:41.50 | Mikk | (Alternatives to decaying per week is decaying per raid day. And then you'd want a smaller number like ... 5%? 3%?) |
| 16:42.00 | ZorbaTHut | I've always been sort of tempted to run a newbie naxx where loot is given out based on steam tonk tournaments |
| 16:42.13 | Aelobin | lol |
| 16:42.14 | Mikk | As for how much EP to hand out... the scale doesn't matter at all. |
| 16:42.21 | Mikk | You can do 10 EP per night or 10000 EP per night. |
| 16:42.23 | Cruciformer | the websit my guild uses (guildlaunch) apparently has some kind of support for ep/gp. I wonder if they also have a mod for it. Will have to look. |
| 16:42.25 | Mikk | It won't affect the system |
| 16:42.42 | Mikk | Cruciformer: afaik there is only one epgp addon but i could be wrong |
| 16:42.42 | Aelobin | ZorbaTHut: what were those xmas bots called |
| 16:42.43 | kneeki | Aelobin: Have you done FL w/ 4 towers yet? |
| 16:42.54 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, racers, I think. problem is not everyone has 'em |
| 16:42.56 | Aelobin | kneeki: i've not done naxx, i don't raid :P |
| 16:43.04 | kneeki | ah |
| 16:43.06 | ZorbaTHut | but you can just hand out steam tonks after the first boss |
| 16:43.14 | Aelobin | ZorbaTHut: aye tis a shame, if everyone did it'd be "whoever has the highest kill count buff after 2 minutes" :P |
| 16:43.39 | Mikk | Meh, I see enough whining about vehicle fights as it is |
| 16:43.46 | Cruciformer | mikk: If the EP you ahnbd out doesnt really matter why do you change it to 50% of highest EP every week? |
| 16:43.53 | Mikk | "I didn't roll a <class> to drive a tank/dragon/whatever! BLIZZ SUX OMG!!" |
| 16:44.04 | Rincewind` | ZorbaTHut: oh so your the one that does quest helper, when people email you stuff what do you do with it ? |
| 16:44.05 | Mikk | Cruciformer: Oh, sorry. Misunderstanding. |
| 16:44.12 | ZorbaTHut | with a little UI mod support, you could do Heavy Leather Ball hot potato |
| 16:44.18 | Aelobin | rofl |
| 16:44.25 | Aelobin | ZorbaTHut: working on it!! |
| 16:44.32 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, haha, awesome :D |
| 16:44.37 | Aelobin | xD |
| 16:44.43 | ZorbaTHut | rincewind, it gets automatically downloaded and compiled in next time I do a DB update |
| 16:44.44 | Aelobin | but whats hot potato? :< |
| 16:44.48 | Mikk | I meant that the SCALE of EP that you decide upon doesn't matter. If you like low numbers, use low numbers. If you like high numbers, use high numbers. It doesn't have to correlate to e.g. GP, is what I was saying |
| 16:44.56 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, if N people want an item, you toss N-1 balls to them |
| 16:45.03 | Mikk | Obviously you don't want to vary between 10 EP one night and 10000 EP the next :) |
| 16:45.04 | ZorbaTHut | you then have a hidden timer counting down |
| 16:45.15 | ZorbaTHut | when it hits 0, you yell STOP and they become unable to throw balls anymore |
| 16:45.19 | Mikk | Then you can do what you want after that. |
| 16:45.24 | ZorbaTHut | anyone still holding a ball is disqualified. Repeat until you have one player left. :) |
| 16:45.26 | Mikk | You can hand out EP per time unit. |
| 16:45.28 | Mikk | Or EP per evening. |
| 16:45.31 | Mikk | Or EP per bosskill. |
| 16:45.36 | Rincewind` | ZorbaTHut: oh I see, I emailed you lots of times already I wondered what happened when did that :-) |
| 16:45.36 | Mikk | Or bonuses for first kills. |
| 16:45.51 | ZorbaTHut | rincewind, yeah, I don't even look at the files, but it's very appreciated that you send stuff :) |
| 16:45.59 | Cruciformer | Mikk: lets say Ise thte value to 100 (so it maps easy to a percentage). Raider 1 is in teh raid for the full 4 hours, raider 2 for only 3. Does that mean raider 1 gets 100Ep and raider 2 only gets 75? |
| 16:46.07 | Aelobin | ZorbaTHut: hmm is there a similiar version that only requires 1 round? if so i'd actually program it xD |
| 16:46.09 | ZorbaTHut | all gets used. :) |
| 16:46.12 | Mikk | We went with 20 EP per 30 minutes ourselves |
| 16:46.25 | Mikk | If you're in the raid when the 30 minute mark ticks, you get EP |
| 16:46.28 | Cruciformer | Ah ok so EP is a function of time. |
| 16:46.32 | Mikk | It can be if you want it |
| 16:46.36 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, I can't think of a way to do it with only one round offhand, at least while using actual heavy leather balls |
| 16:46.42 | Rincewind` | no worries, what happens if people send multiple files in one email, does that still work ok ? |
| 16:46.43 | Mikk | You can treat EP however you like. It's just "Effort" |
| 16:46.53 | ZorbaTHut | rince, yep, totally fine |
| 16:46.56 | Mikk | We figured time=effort, and extra EP for first kills. |
| 16:47.00 | ZorbaTHut | you can also zip the file if you like to save on bandwidth |
| 16:47.01 | Rincewind` | ok cool :) |
| 16:47.08 | ZorbaTHut | (although it won't help as much as you'd think) |
| 16:47.15 | Aelobin | Mikk: *time == effort |
| 16:47.17 | Cruciformer | Mikk: Yeah I get that mostly, I was just wondering how the *mod* deals with assigning effort. |
| 16:47.18 | Mikk | The benefit of time based EP is that people can whisper in for standby EP (we do standby EP in our guild) |
| 16:47.20 | ZorbaTHut | make sure you're sending the right file though, if it's under 100k it's the wrong file ;) |
| 16:47.32 | Mikk | So every 30 minutes they have to whisper in to remain on the list |
| 16:47.36 | Mikk | From an alt, sure, that's fine |
| 16:47.52 | Mikk | But they actually have to be on line to be standby. Not banging their GF or sleeping or whatever. |
| 16:48.07 | Rincewind` | yep am sending the right file, when you say bandwidth isn't it just a google mail account tho ? |
| 16:48.11 | Mikk | Unless they can finish in <30mins anyway :> |
| 16:48.15 | Cruciformer | well for most wow players banging the GF isnt an isue :P |
| 16:48.18 | Mikk | hehehe |
| 16:48.19 | ZorbaTHut | mikk, they can bang their GF in 30-minute segments ;) |
| 16:48.35 | ZorbaTHut | "hold on sweetie, I gotta go tell them I'm still up for killing dragons" |
| 16:48.40 | Aelobin | lol |
| 16:48.51 | Mikk | popular :P |
| 16:48.56 | ZorbaTHut | rincewind, yeah, it's more your bandwidth - someone uploading a 10mb file on a modem may be a little sad ;) |
| 16:49.05 | VonhintenHOME` | I use 20 EP / 15min |
| 16:49.30 | Cruciformer | Not to mention that u have to have vent on speaker so u know when you're being called for raid ... I can imagine a raidleader whining over people not obeying strats would give most people a bit of a soft-on :P |
| 16:49.31 | VonhintenHOME` | But I award on hourly intervals, manually, since the recurring EP is busted and knocks me offline when it executes in combat |
| 16:49.34 | Mikk | Aye, I figure 15-30 minutes is a reasonable time span myself. |
| 16:50.00 | Mikk | Oho, interesting |
| 16:50.09 | Mikk | Do you have huge lists of standby people? |
| 16:50.11 | Mikk | On a bad uplink? |
| 16:50.15 | VonhintenHOME` | Nope |
| 16:50.29 | Mikk | We have several different people handling the EP spam |
| 16:50.31 | Mikk | None of us have problems |
| 16:50.37 | VonhintenHOME` | Good connection, good PC, it just doesn't like the mass officer note changes during combat for some reason |
| 16:50.41 | VonhintenHOME` | if I do it manually, no problems |
| 16:50.56 | Mikk | Could be an idea to notify them about that problem |
| 16:51.04 | Mikk | Like.. delay it til after combat... or spread the work out over time |
| 16:51.12 | Mikk | Or both |
| 16:51.40 | Cruciformer | or not use officer notes and keep an internal datbase whose entries u update either everyone else in the guild with SendAddonMessage :) |
| 16:51.51 | Mikk | Have you tried writing such a sync protocol? |
| 16:51.58 | Mikk | It's a massive pita to get right in all situations |
| 16:52.09 | Aelobin | these dead body advertisements are getting rather annoying >_> |
| 16:52.12 | Cruciformer | Mikk: As it turns out that is exactly what I am currently doing, yes :) |
| 16:52.17 | Aelobin | or "corpse-o-grams" as i call them |
| 16:52.24 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, officer notes as a data store sucks, but it's better than syncing for sure |
| 16:52.51 | Mikk | Yeah officer notes kinda works for people that come online later too |
| 16:52.59 | Mikk | After the announcements were made |
| 16:53.17 | ZorbaTHut | I'm kind of curious why nobody has written a crypto library for WoW yet |
| 16:53.23 | Mikk | They have |
| 16:53.31 | ZorbaTHut | really? what's the name? |
| 16:53.43 | Cruciformer | Mikk: actually since u seem like a fairly clued up individual id appreciate bouncing an idea or two off you about syncing |
| 16:53.43 | Mikk | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/project-14775.aspx |
| 16:53.56 | Rincewind` | anyone know of a good alternative to beql ? |
| 16:54.12 | ZorbaTHut | I kinda suspect that doesn't have digital signature support |
| 16:54.19 | Cruciformer | join #syncideas if you have time to discuss for a bit, so we dont bore everyone here with it |
| 16:54.32 | Mikk | I'm not aware of a large integer library |
| 16:54.41 | Mikk | Something tells me it'd be hellishly slow |
| 16:55.04 | ZorbaTHut | eh. slow is a function of how much data you're dealing with. :) |
| 16:55.07 | NeoTron | like.. gmp? |
| 16:55.23 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: Not really. Data is hashed. Then you sign the hash. |
| 16:55.26 | Mikk | Cruciformer: shoot. but i'm getting coffee first so it'll be 3 minutes before i answer :) |
| 16:55.45 | Cruciformer | mikk: Cool join #syncideas |
| 16:56.11 | Cruciformer | and Ill start typing while u caffeinate |
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| 17:00.38 | Adys | anyone using kate? |
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| 17:01.22 | zenzelezz | you should treat the woman with respect Adys |
| 17:01.35 | Adys | its pissing my shit off right now so no |
| 17:01.39 | Adys | no respect for kate. |
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| 17:03.26 | zenzelezz | what's it doing? |
| 17:03.49 | Adys | its opening every document to a new window by default |
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| 17:08.46 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.55 | Adys | k advanced text editor |
| 17:09.00 | Adys | every nerd's real gf |
| 17:09.06 | AckisWork | ah |
| 17:09.13 | AckisWork | I like my flesh and blood gf |
| 17:09.14 | AckisWork | she's cuddly |
| 17:09.23 | Adys | mine's better |
| 17:09.26 | AckisWork | but she keeps on licking my neck/ears when I'm playing wow and I die :( |
| 17:09.31 | Adys | giving me 300 fps in wow. |
| 17:09.40 | AckisWork | wait wot? |
| 17:09.40 | Adys | real gf 9800. |
| 17:09.41 | AckisWork | 300 fps/ |
| 17:10.11 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:10.18 | Adys | and currently having sex with django <3<3<3<3<33 |
| 17:10.20 | NeoTron | AckisWork: is she a kitty? :P |
| 17:10.28 | Adys | best fucking thing |
| 17:11.17 | AckisWork | i'm so confused |
| 17:11.19 | AckisWork | and worreid |
| 17:11.27 | AckisWork | Adys: you get my pm about the tourney realm last night? |
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| 17:12.49 | Adys | yes |
| 17:12.52 | Adys | did you get my answer? |
| 17:12.53 | Adys | :P |
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| 17:13.08 | AckisWork | no |
| 17:13.25 | Adys | i said I had no idea |
| 17:13.32 | AckisWork | ah |
| 17:13.33 | AckisWork | kk |
| 17:18.06 | Torhal | Adys: How the hell are you getting 300fps? WHat's the clock on your CPU? |
| 17:18.14 | AckisWork | over 9000? |
| 17:18.14 | Torhal | glares at his 9800. |
| 17:18.18 | Adys | 08:18 pm |
| 17:18.33 | AckisWork | I have a GTC 285 |
| 17:18.37 | AckisWork | *GTX |
| 17:18.51 | Torhal | MHz :P |
| 17:19.47 | NeoTron | GTS 265, Core i7 940.. and I don't get anything near 300 fps |
| 17:19.57 | Torhal | No shit. |
| 17:20.01 | Adys | its a non-overclocked q6600, with a 9800 gtx+ |
| 17:20.05 | NeoTron | half that maybe in some areas (although I use vertical sync, so stuck for the most part at 60) |
| 17:20.20 | NeoTron | running @1920x1200 |
| 17:20.28 | Adys | playing under wine, disabling a couple of shaders, I get between 80 and 300 fps (outside dal/crystalsong/gh) |
| 17:20.34 | Adys | rest is max details |
| 17:20.35 | Adys | opengl |
| 17:21.09 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/06/alt-text-hardcore |
| 17:21.21 | NeoTron | it's possible I could get up to that range in old world areas |
| 17:21.41 | Adys | in empty areas fps can jump up to 500 |
| 17:22.04 | Adys | to give a more decent example, IF/SW are around 100 fps |
| 17:23.11 | Torhal | I have a 9800 GTX and an Athlon dual core 6000+ and the highest I've ever seen is 120 in UC staring at a wall |
| 17:23.41 | Adys | wine allows for a far greater control over graphics |
| 17:23.57 | Torhal | I disabled the shaders and saw no difference. |
| 17:24.01 | Adys | (and also has generally better performance in wow, thanks to half the devs actually playing wow) |
| 17:24.11 | Torhal | The biggest fps jump I got was when I moved from Gnome to KDE. |
| 17:24.32 | nevcairiel | I always see peopel claiming that Adys, but whenever i try, its still a bit lower then windows |
| 17:24.40 | Adys | it needs tweaking |
| 17:24.45 | Adys | vsync, shaders disabled |
| 17:24.51 | nevcairiel | i like shaders |
| 17:24.53 | Adys | osrm to framebuffer |
| 17:24.56 | nevcairiel | they make everything look shiny |
| 17:25.07 | Adys | nevcairiel: wine shaders, not all shaders |
| 17:25.16 | Adys | wow has some fall back or something |
| 17:25.17 | Adys | I dunno |
| 17:25.21 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:25.26 | nevcairiel | not like i play anymore, anyway |
| 17:25.31 | nevcairiel | i havent logged in for 3 weeks now |
| 17:25.56 | Adys | Ive logged like 2 days in total this entire year |
| 17:26.08 | Adys | Im still over twice total /played of the second highest one in my guild |
| 17:26.15 | Adys | on single char |
| 17:28.19 | NightHawkTheSane | win: http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/letterman_apologizes_to_palin |
| 17:31.25 | Lothaer | im back |
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| 17:41.29 | VonhintenHOME` | GOD I love the onion... these are two of the funniest videos I've ever seen: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/police_slog_through_40_000 http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of (NSFW) |
| 17:45.33 | Lothaer | does anyone know why FireFox freezes when going to the minion website? |
| 17:46.06 | Lopeppeppy | What's the URL, Lothaer, I'll go look. |
| 17:46.33 | Lothaer | minion.mmoui.com |
| 17:47.22 | Lothaer | works with IE |
| 17:47.35 | Lopeppeppy | It's freezing in my FF as well, Lothaer. That's a PITA, I don't use IE. |
| 17:48.14 | Lothaer | it also works on chrome |
| 17:49.18 | Hirsute | Odd, isn't freezing on FF for me... |
| 17:49.41 | Lothaer | version? |
| 17:49.52 | Lopeppeppy | 3.0.11 |
| 17:50.11 | Lothaer | same as mer lopeppeppy |
| 17:50.28 | Hirsute | 3.0.11, just updated to it. |
| 17:51.09 | Lothaer | kk now try |
| 17:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | I run NoScript and AdBlock, but it wasn't even loading far enough to show me disabled scripts. |
| 17:51.33 | Lothaer | same |
| 17:51.34 | airtonix | same version for me, but loads fine |
| 17:51.35 | Lothaer | :D |
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| 17:51.47 | Hirsute | Odd. I've got AdBlock, but not NoScript |
| 17:51.52 | Lothaer | hmm |
| 17:51.53 | airtonix | i have both |
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| 17:52.23 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr and stuff. :) |
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| 17:54.22 | Cruciformer | minion.mmoui.com freezes neither my firefox nor chromium |
| 17:54.45 | Cruciformer | im using FF 3.0.11 |
| 17:54.50 | Lothaer | work on IE and Chrome but not FF |
| 17:55.29 | Cruciformer | what version of FF Lothaer? |
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| 17:56.20 | Lothaer | 3.0.11 |
| 17:56.42 | Lothaer | w/ AB+ and NoScript |
| 17:57.00 | Cruciformer | odd. works ok for me. Perhaps its the java version? Shit at the bottom of the site says I am using version 1,6,0,13 |
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| 17:58.25 | Cruciformer | but I have neither adblocker nor noscript |
| 18:00.31 | Lothaer | weres a admin when you need one :D |
| 18:00.38 | airtonix | works fine for me on : firefox 3.0.11 : java 1,6,0,10 : adblock+ 1.02, noScript 1.9.3.3 |
| 18:01.22 | Cruciformer | k its naptime, later all. thanks for the help and advice Mikk. |
| 18:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sleeping, Lothaer. |
| 18:05.10 | durcyn | people still use noscript? |
| 18:05.35 | Fisker | people still use firefox? |
| 18:05.46 | durcyn | people still use fisker? |
| 18:06.27 | Fisker | people still use durcyn? |
| 18:06.42 | durcyn | i see what you did there |
| 18:06.56 | Fisker | people still use vision? |
| 18:07.01 | durcyn | anyway, after the adblockplus and ghostery nonsense, i'm pretty sure noscript is more trouble than it's worth |
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| 18:07.30 | Lothaer | people still use irc? |
| 18:07.45 | Dezzi | noscript is a necessity |
| 18:07.58 | Dezzi | there are two many shitty websites with "talkies" nowadays |
| 18:08.02 | Dezzi | too* |
| 18:08.18 | Dezzi | mostly wikia sites |
| 18:08.57 | durcyn | shrug, i block those with squid/adzapper |
| 18:09.01 | durcyn | guess i'm spoiled |
| 18:09.16 | Lothaer | ...squid |
| 18:09.17 | Fisker | people still use internet? |
| 18:09.20 | Lothaer | i eat squid |
| 18:10.54 | AckisWork | I KILL BUNNIES |
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| 18:11.13 | durcyn | AckisWork: i saw something earlier that reminded me of you |
| 18:11.19 | durcyn | it was titled penis.jpg |
| 18:12.52 | AckisWork | aww |
| 18:12.57 | AckisWork | when you see yours, do you think of me? |
| 18:13.25 | durcyn | no, but your mother said she does. OH BURN. |
| 18:13.56 | AckisWork | wiat wot? |
| 18:13.58 | Lothaer | when your mother sees your durcyn she laughs her ass off |
| 18:14.20 | durcyn | you're right, i'm sorry, i shouldn't insult defenseless canadians |
| 18:14.22 | Lothaer | last time she saw it she almost died of laughter |
| 18:15.12 | Dezzi | durcyn: same but it was titled hello.jpg |
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| 18:20.54 | NeoTron | man I wish there was a console IM client that was as "easy" to use as centerim |
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| 18:21.01 | Fisker | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:21.05 | Fisker | the AckisWork is a spy |
| 18:21.07 | NeoTron | the pigdin console client kind of sucks - tries to be too fancy with windows and crap |
| 18:21.37 | durcyn | NeoTron: pork is okay |
| 18:21.50 | Fisker | how is it compared to the pidgin console? |
| 18:21.58 | durcyn | AIM only though iirc |
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| 18:22.28 | NeoTron | centerim works fine |
| 18:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | I use Trillian. It's a program, it's okay. *shrug* |
| 18:22.34 | NeoTron | it's just not exactly maintained greatly |
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| 18:28.50 | Lunessa | If you're a mac user, Adium and Colloquy rule. |
| 18:29.30 | Lopeppeppy | Out for delivery sucks. |
| 18:29.30 | durcyn | speaking of mac users, anyone on a mac with this week's JRE update had issues with the World of Logs parser? |
| 18:29.34 | NeoTron | key word console though |
| 18:29.37 | |Jelly| | Peppy. Have you tried Astra? :) |
| 18:29.41 | NeoTron | I run IM at home, in a screen |
| 18:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, I have not. They offered it to me, but I use Trillian for work communication, and can't afford anything buggy. |
| 18:32.11 | |Jelly| | I haven't noticed any bugs but understandable. |
| 18:34.38 | Lunessa | Woooooot! Boss approved vacation time |
| 18:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah, Lunessa!!!!! |
| 18:34.52 | Lopeppeppy | Hotel room, you has it? |
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| 18:35.08 | Lunessa | No, I doesn't. |
| 18:35.15 | Lunessa | Yet. |
| 18:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | Gets you one. Cortona was cheapest, had fewest amenities last year. |
| 18:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | I think Cairenn included a list when she posted about Blizcon on WowI |
| 18:36.06 | Lunessa | I was looking around. Motel 6 has a location like 3-5 miles away for $45/night |
| 18:36.12 | |Jelly| | She needs to go ahead and announce that I won the raffle imo. |
| 18:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | That's not bad, since you're driving. Parking is a bear, but there are garages nearby. |
| 18:37.50 | Lunessa | A friend says she's staying at the Super 8 2 block away. I might snag parking in their lot and walk with her to the events. |
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| 18:39.48 | Lopeppeppy | That also is a goodly plan. |
| 18:43.00 | Lopeppeppy | Why not stay at the Super 8, or is it more expensive because it's closer? |
| 18:46.48 | Lunessa | It's about $80/night. And I'm going to need more than 2 nights. I don't want to spend twice the money. :( |
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| 18:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, totally understand that, Lunessa. Since you're driving out, the few miles aren't a huge problem like it would be for someone flying. |
| 18:48.20 | Lunessa | Right. And frankly, if I'm going to be there for 4-5 days, I don't want to spend $80 night to sleep. |
| 18:48.27 | Lunessa | Well, and shower. |
| 18:49.32 | Lopeppeppy | Shower is very important! |
| 18:50.12 | Lunessa | Something Positive: It burns like hygiene! |
| 18:50.47 | Lopeppeppy | Smells like Teen Angst |
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| 18:58.24 | dardack | OMG so simple i finally figured out how to use secure templates |
| 18:58.24 | AckisWork | |Jelly|: you won the raffle? grats man! |
| 18:58.24 | dardack | without putting in xml file |
| 18:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly is being wishful at this juncture, I thinks. |
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| 19:08.37 | p3lim | hm, i have a gf7900 graphics card, what version of DirectX should I use? |
| 19:09.21 | Lopeppeppy | Is it too wimpy for themost recent DirectX? |
| 19:10.32 | p3lim | well, win7 automatically chose directx11, but im very sure it shouldnt be using anything above 9c |
| 19:12.21 | durcyn | pro tip: installing vmware player inside of a virtualbox VM is generally a bad idea |
| 19:12.32 | Aelobin | lol |
| 19:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | p3lim: 11. DirectX is a collection of APIs. Your video card is capable of using Direct3D up to 9c, which DirectX 11 supports fine. |
| 19:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Apples to oranges, in a sense. Just with similar names. |
| 19:15.11 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:15.12 | Fisker | nemesis |
| 19:15.56 | p3lim | ScytheBlade1: thanks for that info |
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| 19:31.00 | airtonix | dardack, can you give me a pastebin example please? |
| 19:31.35 | dardack | oh? |
| 19:31.37 | dardack | of? |
| 19:31.49 | airtonix | dardack, your use of securetemplates without xml |
| 19:32.00 | dardack | the only thing i haven't figured out is how to have the button keep the keybinding through sessions |
| 19:32.02 | dardack | ok |
| 19:32.54 | dardack | hang on let me go in back door to kara to save my instance |
| 19:34.37 | drfuzzykins | it's been so long since Kara, I've forgotten there was a back door. I was confuse.d |
| 19:34.48 | dardack | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116207 ok like 67 passes the keybinding from my addon's trigger to the securebutton, this is why you have to hit it twice when you first log in for it to work, but each subsequent time you just hit it once, except when you login or change the keybinding, also in the keybinding menu, once you hit the keybinding once it will look like the keybinding is blank |
| 19:34.57 | dardack | sllike/line |
| 19:35.01 | dardack | s/like/line |
| 19:36.15 | airtonix | lines 5 and 64 are relevant to your discoveries? |
| 19:36.44 | airtonix | and lines like 97 ? |
| 19:37.30 | dardack | well 5 is just creating, that's from wowwiki |
| 19:37.53 | dardack | 72-75 |
| 19:37.59 | dardack | where you set preclick post click |
| 19:38.10 | dardack | thisway preclick i can test if the person is in a flyable area |
| 19:38.28 | dardack | and post click remove the spell, so when they push the keybinding it doesn't cast the old spell |
| 19:40.49 | drfuzzykins | dardack, if you don't mind me butting in, is this the source of that whole file? |
| 19:40.55 | dardack | just if anyone knows how to save the keybinding to the secure button |
| 19:41.03 | dardack | through sessions |
| 19:41.29 | dardack | well i have a bindings.xml, MRM_GUI.xml and MRM_GUI.lua file |
| 19:41.42 | dardack | and a localization file |
| 19:41.55 | dardack | not that anyone has localized it besides me for english |
| 19:42.00 | drfuzzykins | I just thought I'd point out that you aren't declaring all of your variables at the top as locals |
| 19:42.20 | drfuzzykins | so you're introducing global variables named version, btn, and randommountlist |
| 19:42.38 | dardack | global as in usedoutside my addon? |
| 19:42.45 | dardack | or global used throughout my addon's files? |
| 19:42.52 | dardack | cause the GUI.lua file uses some of those |
| 19:42.53 | drfuzzykins | anything you don't declare as local to a file, is global throughout all addons |
| 19:42.56 | Pharaunmizz | yar, generally not so good practice to use globals |
| 19:43.19 | dardack | so if i declare it as a local, will the GUI.lua file still be able to access it? |
| 19:43.24 | drfuzzykins | no |
| 19:43.30 | dardack | well then |
| 19:43.32 | drfuzzykins | my suggestion is to make a table named MRM or MountRandomMount |
| 19:43.41 | Pharaunmizz | if you are going to global it, have a prefix or a table, yea |
| 19:43.44 | drfuzzykins | and put all of your non-file-local variables in function in it |
| 19:43.54 | drfuzzykins | *in function = and functions |
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| 19:44.15 | dardack | ok the table thing doesn't make sense to me |
| 19:44.28 | Pharaunmizz | then just use "MRMVersion" instead of "Version" |
| 19:44.31 | airtonix | dardack, they mean make one global var |
| 19:44.48 | Pharaunmizz | and hope that nobody makes an addon "My Really Mustard" and uses the same convention |
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| 19:45.22 | dardack | oh |
| 19:45.39 | airtonix | myRandomMountDB = { ver = 0.1, settingsOne = "blah", settingsTwo = "blah" } |
| 19:45.42 | dardack | well version can be local sorry |
| 19:45.44 | drfuzzykins | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/116208 |
| 19:45.48 | drfuzzykins | like that, for example |
| 19:46.05 | Pwntang | hi guys. I need some help. I'm trying to make a small loot log within a frame (scrolling frame is working correctly) but the problem I have is that I'm trying to figure out a quick way of making a string depending on what was looted....for example..... |
| 19:46.09 | Pwntang | you loot 4 copper |
| 19:46.16 | Pwntang | you loot 3 silver & 4 copper |
| 19:46.30 | Pwntang | without making a huge amount of if else's |
| 19:46.55 | Pharaunmizz | What's the difficulty, converting coppers, or getting the loot itself? |
| 19:47.20 | Pwntang | all I can think of right now is.......if gold==0 and silver==0 then print(....) etc |
| 19:47.23 | dardack | if (string.find(arg1, "decreased") ~= nil) thenreturn;endif (string.find(arg1, "decreased") ~= nil) then return;end that checks on CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_FACTION_CHANGE, so you can do that |
| 19:47.36 | dardack | oops i pasted it twice |
| 19:47.47 | dardack | look for You Loot |
| 19:48.09 | dardack | then do something like FacIndexBeginning, FacIndexEnding = string.find(arg1, "increased");, CurFacGainedName = string.sub(arg1, 17, FacIndexBeginning - 2); |
| 19:48.10 | Pwntang | aaaah. steel the text from the chat frame you mean? |
| 19:48.16 | Pharaunmizz | isn't there a loot event? |
| 19:48.23 | dardack | there is a loot event |
| 19:48.23 | drfuzzykins | there is |
| 19:48.30 | dardack | so under the loot event |
| 19:48.34 | dardack | find You loot in arg1 |
| 19:48.43 | Pwntang | it doesn't tell you how much you looted unless I'm mistaken |
| 19:48.45 | Pharaunmizz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Loot |
| 19:48.49 | dardack | set the indexbeg, indexending |
| 19:49.00 | dardack | than you can pull out the amount and parse that |
| 19:49.00 | drfuzzykins | I would listen to the different looting events and use a different regex for each kind to read the types of loot. |
| 19:49.26 | drfuzzykins | CHAT_MSG_MONEY would have a regex to pull out the gold, silver, copper; CHAT_MSG_LOOT would pull the item name. |
| 19:51.03 | drfuzzykins | I'm not sure where it is, but there must be another event for creation of items, which you should also listen to even if you don't want to log tradeskill loot, because battleground/wintergrasp tokens are considered "created" |
| 19:52.16 | End | o_O |
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| 19:52.26 | End | I just got basic cable TV, even though I don't have a TV |
| 19:52.31 | End | but I save $6 a month! |
| 19:52.42 | End | on my internert |
| 19:52.44 | End | on my internet* |
| 19:53.00 | End | (maybe I'll actually buy a TV now) |
| 19:53.13 | Pharaunmizz | ^ I need to do that (the internet part) |
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| 19:54.16 | Pharaunmizz | Hey wait hold up, Pwntang are you doing something special with this loot log, or can you just use an additional Blizz chat frame |
| 19:54.44 | dardack | ok i'm trying what you said |
| 19:55.03 | dardack | reloaduing ui right now, my one issue was i had a function with the same name as addon, doh |
| 19:55.57 | Lopeppeppy | Silly dardack, all must be unique! |
| 19:56.05 | dardack | yea yea |
| 19:56.29 | drfuzzykins | I'm sure it's annoying to change in an already in-development add-on, but it's good practice |
| 19:56.35 | Ackis | lol |
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| 19:56.44 | Ackis | I watched the star wars mmo trailer |
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| 19:56.51 | Ackis | and I wanted to find the home page |
| 19:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | It renames the functions when it's told, or it gets the hose again. |
| 19:56.54 | nicoli_s | 0 gameplay |
| 19:56.59 | Ackis | so I googled "biggest orgasm ever" |
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| 19:57.08 | nicoli_s | though kotaku said the gameplay for it was greay |
| 19:57.09 | nicoli_s | great* |
| 19:57.09 | Ackis | and my gf was like "why are those links all purple!" |
| 19:57.14 | nicoli_s | haha |
| 19:57.23 | netcurse | i saw the game play demo @ E3 |
| 19:57.25 | drfuzzykins | heh |
| 19:57.26 | Ackis | and i'm like "no they aren't" |
| 19:57.40 | drfuzzykins | I've yet to see gameplay of it |
| 19:57.40 | Ackis | she saw the lcd from the side |
| 19:57.40 | nicoli_s | you like it netcurse? |
| 19:57.40 | drfuzzykins | and yet I'm somehow still excited about the game |
| 19:57.47 | netcurse | It was 2 of the dev doing one missiong together. |
| 19:57.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you are NOT going to convince her she's color blind. Just 'fess up |
| 19:57.56 | netcurse | It was looking good. Very promising |
| 19:58.00 | nicoli_s | nice |
| 19:58.08 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:58.09 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: she moved over to the proper angle :P |
| 19:58.15 | netcurse | I would say, very immersive. |
| 19:58.18 | Lopeppeppy | I bet. *snort* |
| 19:58.22 | netcurse | Good star wars experience. |
| 19:58.27 | drfuzzykins | I wish I could see gameplay of FFXIV so I can see if they didn't fail at MMOs this time. |
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| 20:14.19 | NeoTron | a good star wars experience would be nice |
| 20:15.31 | mikma | go cut yourself with pew pew lasorz |
| 20:17.01 | Spellbinder | :) |
| 20:17.05 | Spellbinder | oh |
| 20:19.43 | Fisker | you |
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| 20:51.19 | NeoTron | ... http://www.viceland.com/fashion/2009/06/the-shit-in-your-pants-is-a-little-nugget-of-gold/ ok then |
| 20:55.39 | VonhintenHOME` | Why would I pay someone for designer skid stains when I can shit my pants at home for free? |
| 20:56.47 | NeoTron | that is indeed the question |
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| 21:02.31 | Shirik | anyone here know vim well? |
| 21:02.40 | Shirik | I tend to do :o to reopen a file (because it's changed, etc.) |
| 21:03.02 | Shirik | But if I changed the file, I get "Warning: no write since last change (use ! to override)" |
| 21:03.09 | Shirik | but when I do :o! I get "No ! allowed" |
| 21:03.14 | Shirik | solution? |
| 21:03.32 | zenzelezz | stop making smiley-faces at vim |
| 21:03.43 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:04.24 | ckknight | :P |
| 21:04.27 | ckknight | :wq! |
| 21:04.49 | Kaelten | I thoguht it was :!q |
| 21:04.53 | Kaelten | but I may be wrong |
| 21:05.00 | Kaelten | I hate vim |
| 21:05.13 | Shirik | I don't want to quit |
| 21:05.20 | Kaelten | you should |
| 21:05.21 | Shirik | I want to reopen the file |
| 21:05.23 | Kaelten | I'd recommend nano |
| 21:05.29 | Shirik | ~kill Kaelten |
| 21:06.06 | Kaelten | HUGS! |
| 21:06.19 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:06.27 | ckknight | Shirik: try TextMate |
| 21:06.36 | Kaelten | Shirik: pico? |
| 21:06.44 | zenzelezz | emacs |
| 21:07.05 | Kaelten | zenzelezz: isn't the learning curve on that spiral shaped? |
| 21:07.08 | Dagmar | vim is actually really easy |
| 21:07.15 | Shirik | no no no |
| 21:07.16 | Dagmar | It *is* : to start command mode tho |
| 21:07.16 | Shirik | vim is good |
| 21:07.28 | haste | Shirik: :o alone doesn't work when the file has changes? |
| 21:07.29 | Shirik | I just want this one problem solved |
| 21:07.35 | Dagmar | ...and w makes it write, q makes it quit, and the ! says "don't give me any crap about it if the file is read-only" |
| 21:07.54 | Shirik | no, the ! says "abandon my changes" |
| 21:08.01 | Dagmar | Diddle your file, hit ESC to make sure you're not in insert mode, and then just type ":wq!" |
| 21:08.12 | Shirik | Dagmar is not reading my question |
| 21:08.24 | Shirik | anyway haste, no |
| 21:08.44 | zenzelezz | :e! ? |
| 21:08.47 | haste | Shirik: how about just :e ? |
| 21:08.49 | haste | :D |
| 21:08.53 | Shirik | What is :e? |
| 21:08.56 | zenzelezz | reopen |
| 21:08.59 | Kaelten | haste: only smiley commands are allowed |
| 21:09.00 | zenzelezz | according to my google |
| 21:09.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:09.05 | haste | Kaelten: ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 21:09.07 | Shirik | I've just been using :o for that |
| 21:09.12 | haste | I use :e to open also |
| 21:09.14 | haste | you can use both |
| 21:09.14 | mikma | haste / 0 |
| 21:09.23 | haste | :help :e and :help :o |
| 21:09.25 | Shirik | but apparently :o can't take a ! override |
| 21:09.26 | ckknight | :D |
| 21:09.30 | ckknight | :'( |
| 21:09.36 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:09.37 | Shirik | despite the fact that it gives the error "No write since last change (use ! to override)" |
| 21:09.57 | mikma | haste: you have been fiskered |
| 21:10.02 | haste | Shirik: just try :e / :e! :p |
| 21:10.11 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker. |
| 21:10.15 | Kaelten | Shirik: try :D instad of :o it's a bigger smile |
| 21:10.16 | Fisker | vælter haste |
| 21:10.33 | haste | velter Fisker med korrekt skrivemåte. |
| 21:10.36 | Dagmar | ...trying to find wtf :o does in the docs |
| 21:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: you know, I read that line and wondered what :D did.. and then I read your reasoning |
| 21:10.46 | haste | Dagmar: :help :o |
| 21:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs |
| 21:10.53 | Fisker | vælter haste ved at spænde ben for ham med sin pik |
| 21:10.55 | Fisker | hurr |
| 21:11.00 | Kaelten | sorry I'm stressed out |
| 21:11.05 | Kaelten | the humor in this argument is help |
| 21:11.10 | Kaelten | puts head on desk |
| 21:11.13 | Kaelten | I'll be quiet now |
| 21:11.14 | haste | Kaelten: hey Kaelten ! |
| 21:11.25 | Kaelten | hi haste |
| 21:11.25 | haste | Kaelten: you should be PUN-ished for that |
| 21:11.29 | Fisker | godnat haste |
| 21:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: ...... wow |
| 21:11.37 | jnwhiteh | is there a standalone range checker |
| 21:11.37 | haste | sov godt Fisker ! |
| 21:11.44 | haste | jnwhiteh: no youy need to write one |
| 21:11.49 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 21:11.52 | jnwhiteh | i dont want dbm or bw |
| 21:11.56 | jnwhiteh | just range checker. |
| 21:11.57 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 21:12.03 | haste | just steal the one in BW |
| 21:12.08 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: I've been working on one :) |
| 21:12.09 | haste | not like you need 90% of the rest of the mod anyway |
| 21:12.14 | Dagmar | Right... I think I'm going to skip the question of why someone would want that mode |
| 21:12.17 | Shirik | since we have coords in instances now |
| 21:12.17 | jnwhiteh | haste: but i want someone to do that for me! |
| 21:12.28 | haste | jnwhiteh: talk to Shirik ! |
| 21:12.34 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 21:13.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's telling you the file on the disk is still the same as what's in memory. Is there some reason you have to believe this isn't the case? |
| 21:14.05 | Shirik | I know it's in fact not the case |
| 21:14.12 | Shirik | and vim has already told me it has changed |
| 21:16.05 | Dagmar | Weird. It's not bugging here |
| 21:16.24 | Dagmar | I'm used to just using :r for that |
| 21:17.27 | Dagmar | OH. |
| 21:18.12 | Dagmar | I got it |
| 21:18.33 | Dagmar | Vim is carping about what's in the buffer has changed, sorry. |
| 21:19.14 | Dagmar | Vim commands are occasionally subtly different bordering on gnomic |
| 21:19.23 | Dagmar | The simplest thing I can say about that is that r is what you should be using |
| 21:20.00 | Dagmar | Basically, vim's coming up, saying "Okay empty document time" then you read in your document, and *that* is a change as far as it cares |
| 21:20.36 | Dagmar | :r has one of those subtly different meanings that doesn't worry about the editing buffer |
| 21:23.12 | Dagmar | I remember cussing a lot about these seemingly random differences when I started learning vim |
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| 21:38.07 | Kraps | the shaman changes are wicked! |
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| 21:38.27 | Cruciformer | *yawn* hello again everyone |
| 21:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I posted a question to the apache tomcat mailing list last night |
| 21:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I come back to a pretty detailed debate, if I did or didn't break the spec |
| 21:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And now one guy is asking for someone who wrote the spec to comment on it |
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| 21:44.30 | jnwhiteh | quick |
| 21:44.31 | jnwhiteh | help |
| 21:44.35 | jnwhiteh | how do i ML something to someone? |
| 21:44.52 | jnwhiteh | seriously |
| 21:44.53 | Cruciformer | righyt-click on the item and select their name from the list |
| 21:44.54 | jnwhiteh | leftclick it? |
| 21:44.54 | drfuzzykins | uh, in api? |
| 21:45.10 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
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| 21:47.21 | jnwhiteh | can't ML with Butsu on |
| 21:47.40 | mikma | atupid haste |
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| 21:51.08 | jnwhiteh | its stressful running your first VoA run |
| 21:51.08 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 21:51.18 | Cruciformer | :) |
| 21:51.28 | NightHawkTheSane | just loot everything to yourself and call it good |
| 21:52.01 | jnwhiteh | well i got my pvp chest |
| 21:52.02 | jnwhiteh | so that was nice :P |
| 21:52.11 | mikma | cool! |
| 21:52.20 | jnwhiteh | just need enchants for my gloves and chest now |
| 21:52.20 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 21:52.31 | mikma | wts! |
| 21:52.35 | KarlKFI | i swear i've never seen any ret pally loot drop of emalon... |
| 21:52.41 | KarlKFI | sucha huge loot table |
| 21:54.59 | NeoTron | the concept is pretty fail |
| 21:55.08 | NeoTron | guess they wanted to bring back the joy of vanilla raiding |
| 21:55.16 | VonhintenHOME` | I think it's a great idea |
| 21:55.28 | VonhintenHOME` | tier gear for everyone! |
| 21:55.37 | NeoTron | it quickly becomes not worth doing due to randomness |
| 21:55.48 | VonhintenHOME` | it's always worth doing, for the 2 conquest badges |
| 21:56.31 | KarlKFI | true enough |
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| 21:56.49 | KarlKFI | it's cool that it's easily puggable and short |
| 21:57.02 | VonhintenHOME` | It's a nice way to gear up an alt too, with little effort |
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| 21:58.03 | VonhintenHOME` | Every tuesday, I try to get all 4 of my 80's into runs |
| 21:58.11 | VonhintenHOME` | or wednesday |
| 21:58.21 | Arrowmaster | so does anybody know how the DLC for fallout 3 work on PC? is it purchased off of microsoft marketplace? |
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| 22:00.04 | Hjalte | Arrowmaster: Is your Fallout 3 crashing often? |
| 22:01.11 | KarlKFI | it's a buggy app |
| 22:01.12 | aesir | Arrowmaster: Yes, it's off of GfW Live |
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| 22:15.21 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if i purchase the dlc for fallout 3 xbox360 if it would be considered purchased if i ever got the pc version |
| 22:16.44 | kneeki | What do you all think? http://img141.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot061709151550.jpg/ |
| 22:16.55 | kneeki | I don't know about the background on the chat frame quite yet... |
| 22:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry for the scan of a printout of a craigslist posting, but whatever |
| 22:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.canucklehead.ca/_Media/thatscrappy.jpg |
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| 22:21.49 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 22:22.09 | VonhintenHOME` | god, does shit like that really happen... |
| 22:23.03 | aesir | Arrowmaster: No, it wouldn't. They don't transfer the license between platforms. |
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| 22:24.16 | ScytheBlade1 | VonhintenHOME`: pun intended? |
| 22:24.28 | VonhintenHOME` | most definitely |
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| 22:27.05 | Cruciformer | lol ScytheBlade1 that was funny |
| 22:27.13 | Cruciformer | I wonder if its real or someone being a smartass :) |
| 22:27.44 | Cruciformer | one has to wonder if he knew where to send pepto that he wouldnt need to communicate over craigslist |
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| 22:33.06 | Kraps | "Have us level your character up to the hardest he/she can become" whaaaaaat |
| 22:33.34 | NeoTron | Kraps: adult-only mmorpg? |
| 22:33.43 | Kraps | rofl |
| 22:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 22:35.19 | Kraps | check this out: full T8.5 (Drop from the ULduar btw) costs $1699.99 |
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| 22:37.08 | alestane | "Keep your friends close, follow your enemies' tweets." |
| 22:38.36 | Thunder_Child | ~lart alestane |
| 22:38.36 | purl | runs at alestane with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 22:39.04 | alestane | That's worth a lart? |
| 22:40.00 | Thunder_Child | anything involving tweeting does imo |
| 22:40.43 | Cruciformer | pardon my ignorance but whats a lart? |
| 22:41.05 | alestane | luser attitude readjustment *something* |
| 22:41.16 | alestane | ~lart |
| 22:41.18 | Thunder_Child | ~luser |
| 22:41.18 | purl | hmm... luser is a BOFH toy, or user + loser = luser |
| 22:41.29 | alestane | ...tool |
| 22:41.33 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf lart |
| 22:41.38 | Thunder_Child | there you go |
| 22:42.04 | Thunder_Child | meh, more like ie Clue by four |
| 22:42.10 | Cruciformer | ah that explains absolutely everything ... except whats an luser attitude adjustment :) |
| 22:42.34 | Lopeppeppy | Clue by four. Works well for me. |
| 22:43.10 | Thunder_Child | a luser is a loser user, and a lart is an luser attitude adjustment eg. aplication of force to someones skull |
| 22:43.31 | Thunder_Child | so this is simply a lose interpretation |
| 22:43.33 | KarlKFI | course that implies alestane is a user |
| 22:43.38 | KarlKFI | are you using, alestane? |
| 22:43.44 | Thunder_Child | loes at least |
| 22:43.47 | Thunder_Child | loser* |
| 22:43.51 | Cruciformer | ah Ok I thought "attitude" was an attribute of a luser and it recorded it somehow. I get it now. |
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| 22:44.58 | KarlKFI | luser.setAttitude("Grateful") |
| 22:46.38 | KarlKFI | or luser.setAttitude(ClueByFour.getInstance()) |
| 22:47.05 | KarlKFI | provided there's a one size fits all singleton ClueByFour |
| 22:50.30 | cogwheel | *sigh* |
| 22:50.35 | cogwheel | my dog is allergic to humans |
| 22:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's a tough one, cogwheel... allergy meds the rest of his life? |
| 22:51.04 | cogwheel | looks like it |
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| 22:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | At least you know what it is now and can treat it better. |
| 22:51.36 | Lopeppeppy | My cat came down with an irritated eye today, I'm watching her pretty closely. |
| 22:51.37 | cogwheel | aye |
| 22:51.38 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 22:51.41 | kd3 | grr |
| 22:51.51 | KarlKFI | seriously cogwheel? |
| 22:51.54 | Cruciformer | cogwheel: this is a serious question. Did you mean attitude allergic or an actual anaphactic(sp?) reaction? |
| 22:51.54 | batbot | Cruciformer, nothing found. |
| 22:52.11 | cogwheel | KarlKFI: Cruciformer: results of a blood allergy test |
| 22:52.18 | KarlKFI | >.< |
| 22:52.29 | KarlKFI | rofl + /cry |
| 22:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's gotta be rare |
| 22:52.43 | cogwheel | his four highest allergies were mugwort (a weed that causes hay fever), sheep's wool, some mold i didn't bother asking how to spell, and "human dander" |
| 22:52.54 | KarlKFI | wow |
| 22:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | It happens. I'm hoping my cat's eye is an allergy thing from the dust I'm kicking up while packing. |
| 22:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | Dogs tend more toward human allergies, I don't think I've heard of a cat having them. |
| 22:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Mine would, just to be unique. |
| 22:54.43 | cogwheel | rofl + cry = cofl (crying on the floor laughing) |
| 22:54.56 | cogwheel | and that was about my reaction too :P |
| 22:55.45 | cogwheel | It's hilaripressing |
| 22:55.52 | KarlKFI | yeah... |
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| 22:57.23 | Cruciformer | sory screen brainfarted on me and I just saw your reply. That sucks cogwheel. |
| 22:57.53 | cogwheel | screen+irssi 4tw ;) |
| 22:58.52 | Cruciformer | yup its what I use all the time :) |
| 22:59.08 | Cruciformer | since I get IP via avian carrier down here in south africa, its the best way for me to stay connected to stuff. |
| 22:59.18 | Cruciformer | sometimes those pidgeons just dont make it |
| 23:00.00 | Thunder_Child | i think you meant anaphylactic |
| 23:00.12 | Cruciformer | although rumour has it they are upgrading our international link to geese, which are faster and more reliable |
| 23:00.37 | Cruciformer | Thunder_Child: I did indeed, thank you sir. |
| 23:00.46 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
| 23:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | Server hamsters and server ferrets. |
| 23:02.21 | Cruciformer | anyone know of a Lua library I can use to do something like "every 15 seconds call function foo" ... or do I just write my own? |
| 23:02.58 | Cruciformer | I was hoping aceevent had some kind of periodic thing but it seems not. |
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| 23:06.31 | jnwhiteh | AceTimer |
| 23:06.44 | Cruciformer | tyvm jnwhiteh |
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| 23:07.12 | jnwhiteh | tho you can do it manually just as well |
| 23:07.27 | Cruciformer | with a hidden frame's OnUpdate? |
| 23:08.58 | jnwhiteh | a hidden frame cannot have an onupdate :P |
| 23:09.05 | jnwhiteh | but yes, wiht an OnUpdate |
| 23:09.17 | Cruciformer | I actually meant invisible, poor choice of words |
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| 23:09.45 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 23:14.47 | bleeter | kd3: can you post your wine rpms somewhere please? i'll be stuffed if I can get anything happening here :( |
| 23:15.46 | Thunder_Child | ~stuff bleeter |
| 23:15.54 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 23:16.25 | drfuzzykins | oof, not a fan of the new curseforge/wowace designs |
| 23:16.31 | bleeter | kd3: alternatively, if you've got any bright ideas on debugging 'X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)' that'd also be appreciated ;) |
| 23:19.06 | Shirik | make the number in range |
| 23:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | rolls her eyes fondly |
| 23:21.41 | Cruciformer | k its time for raid. later all |
| 23:24.53 | Kaso | Anyone use ArkInventory? |
| 23:25.46 | kd3 | bleeter, http://wowi.pastey.net/116224 |
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| 23:29.00 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, yes |
| 23:29.22 | ajmitch | kd3: do you manage to use d3d mode, or still opengl in wine? |
| 23:30.06 | Kaso | Thunder_Child, do you have a bug where occationally the entire UI will be grayed out and un-clickable till reloadui ? |
| 23:30.09 | kd3 | still opengl |
| 23:30.32 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, yes, though some times it doesnt work on a reload |
| 23:30.36 | ajmitch | tried out d3d last night, it worked well until some funny texture issues in dalaran |
| 23:30.54 | kd3 | that's just wow running out of ram? |
| 23:31.15 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, if you click the bag icon and go to configureation there is an option to help with that |
| 23:31.17 | ajmitch | possibly, though it wasn't at the usual limit where it'd explode |
| 23:31.51 | Thunder_Child | so tempting http://www.amazon.com/M-Martinis-Medicine-Complete-Collection/dp/B000HT3P5Q/ref=xs_gb_A3UA46YHJEFT76?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=441937901&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0ACCBZ2YRQK5YQWFH1F6 |
| 23:31.52 | ajmitch | I've been running with low texture quality for awhile as well to have it playable |
| 23:31.54 | Kaso | ah i see, thanks Thunder_Child |
| 23:31.56 | bleeter | I thought they fixed the 4GB bug in wine |
| 23:32.02 | Thunder_Child | bah, to big of a link |
| 23:32.10 | ajmitch | bleeter: I don't think so |
| 23:32.34 | bleeter | kd3: thanks for the list, we'll see how it goes in a little while |
| 23:34.02 | Lopeppeppy | TC, finally a taste of yours I can admire and respect. :) |
| 23:34.41 | bleeter | ajmitch: hmm coulda sworn I saw a fix, or at least a patch |
| 23:35.19 | ajmitch | bleeter: I've seen & tried patches, but nothing's in the main git tree |
| 23:35.20 | alestane | M*A*S*H is win. |
| 23:35.53 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, why thank you :) |
| 23:36.02 | bleeter | ajmitch: sometimes I really just wish blizz would hire just ONE FUCKING PART TIME WINE HACKER ARGHARGAHGR |
| 23:36.11 | bleeter | screw me it's not as if they can't afford it |
| 23:36.56 | Kaso | yah with relavitly little effort they could make some big improvements for wine |
| 23:37.11 | ajmitch | just doesn't have time to dig into wine like that |
| 23:37.13 | bleeter | Kaso: tell you for sure |
| 23:37.28 | bleeter | i'm sick and tired of being a bug tester for wow merely coz I use wine |
| 23:37.47 | bleeter | ie, win32 bugs that are easier to fix in wine |
| 23:37.52 | bleeter | er s/fix/see/ |
| 23:37.59 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 23:37.59 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 23:38.26 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not nearly obnoxious enough |
| 23:39.01 | Kaso | i still havent worked out my problem where wow crashes alot whenever im using professions/vendors |
| 23:39.16 | Lopeppeppy | My wow just crashes a lot. Hateful thing. |
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| 23:39.30 | bleeter | Kaso: when I was running in F10, it'd crash if I ran away from trainers without closing the gossip first (ie, autoclosing coz of distance) |
| 23:40.00 | bleeter | Kaso: it also had this weird crash using a norganna addon at the mailbox. first attempt, crash always. relaunch and go back, works fine |
| 23:40.33 | bleeter | i'm like 'but... i've restarted the program 'coz it crashed right out, no SVs have changed.. nothing.. why no crash second time??' |
| 23:40.36 | bleeter | etc. |
| 23:41.09 | Kaso | bleeter, that autoclosing thing might be what im having or at least something similar |
| 23:41.12 | Kaso | im f10 too |
| 23:41.13 | bleeter | screams to me of some issue either inside the Lua engine, or wine.. but.. stuffed if I can work it out or be bothered looking |
| 23:41.20 | Kaso | you on f11 now or something else? |
| 23:41.35 | ajmitch | bleeter: strange, I rarely have crashes |
| 23:41.35 | bleeter | f11 at the moment, fighting the nVidia drivers to get any wow 3d happening |
| 23:41.48 | bleeter | I'm having far more success with my ATI lappy with the open source r300 drivers =)) |
| 23:43.46 | bleeter | Kaso: yar, when I ran away from a trainer gossip, it'd crash out on me. for the life of me I find it hard to believe it's a wine bug. even if it is, smells to me like something odd in wow accidentally tripping it |
| 23:44.08 | Kaso | yah |
| 23:44.10 | bleeter | see previous comments about can't be screwed doing blizz's job for them, fighting the joke that's the wow bug report system, etc. |
| 23:44.15 | Thunder_Child | ~kick ckknight |
| 23:44.16 | bleeter | god I had the bug forum of wow |
| 23:44.27 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:44.31 | ckknight | no kickins' |
| 23:44.33 | Kaso | i havent quite narrowed down my bug but seems restricted to tradeskill/trader gossip windows, so seems similar |
| 23:44.37 | bleeter | would rather eat my own eyeballs with a side dish of my testicles than try and seriously find a bug in that thing |
| 23:45.21 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, more SotA maps in cart |
| 23:45.26 | Thunder_Child | !! |
| 23:45.30 | ckknight | I thought I did that |
| 23:45.38 | bleeter | you log into the game 'check the forums for known issues'.. well a) no known issue thread on bug forum b) bug search is a joke rant rant rant rant |
| 23:45.49 | Thunder_Child | i have it update the alpha and i dont have it |
| 23:46.10 | bleeter | crap, even screen shots of the internal bug tracking software would be more useful than their bug forum |
| 23:46.23 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, for cart3? |
| 23:46.27 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:46.34 | Thunder_Child | nope...want a ss? |
| 23:46.34 | ckknight | like, this weekend |
| 23:46.42 | ckknight | no, not especially |
| 23:46.43 | Kaso | bleeter at least US forums has a bug forum apparently EU people arent good enough to submit bugs |
| 23:46.56 | Thunder_Child | well i just checked the update a few min ago |
| 23:46.59 | ckknight | I was in strand of the ancients and was like "wtf, no map" |
| 23:47.05 | bleeter | Kaso: oh yeah, I hadn't even warmed up.. I figured I'd let someone else keep going on that one ;) |
| 23:47.10 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: you need to update LibTourist-3.0 |
| 23:47.38 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, you mean install? |
| 23:47.42 | Thunder_Child | :D |
| 23:47.45 | bleeter | Kaso: does EU have bnet logins yet? 'coz I can log in to EU forums with my bnet, just not authorised to post. I'm figuring that if EU have bnet, they can log in to US forums but can't post too.... |
| 23:48.27 | Kaso | im not sure off the top of my head. havent really been intersted in the battlenet stuff myself |
| 23:49.16 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: yea, let's go with that. |
| 23:50.38 | bleeter | kd3: just checked all those packages, yup already installed |
| 23:51.20 | bleeter | kd3: pastey me your xorg.conf just for giggles, if you get the chance please :) |
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| 23:53.01 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/116225 |
| 23:54.56 | bleeter | aieeee "Screen" sections! :P |
| 23:55.30 | bleeter | kd3: thanks mate, we'll see... |
| 23:58.27 | bleeter | :( oh well nice try |
| 23:58.50 | kd3 | what error are you getting? |
| 23:59.56 | bleeter | http://bleeter.pastey.net/116226 |
