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| 00:14.48 | Thunder_Child | "After one month of hard work and wipes, we finally have Flame Leviathan on farm." >.< |
| 00:15.02 | End | I don't know what to say to that |
| 00:15.10 | End | unless they're dealing with hard modes |
| 00:15.33 | Thunder_Child | it was part of a L4MGM |
| 00:17.14 | Thunder_Child | though that *is* only 4 kills |
| 00:18.05 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5289582/open-source-embroidery-technology-embraces-its-craft-side |
| 00:18.20 | Thunder_Child | something new for Cairenn|afk to make ^^ |
| 00:18.33 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 00:32.47 | Thunder_Child | Exchange Support |
| 00:32.47 | Thunder_Child | Snow Leopard's got it built-in, your copy of Windows 7 doesn't. Freaky but true. |
| 00:32.50 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 00:33.37 | cbreak | exchange... yuck... |
| 00:34.55 | tekkub | people still use exchange? lawl |
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| 00:37.25 | Shirik | rawrs at Iriel and Thunder_Child |
| 00:38.17 | Thunder_Child | camera issues? |
| 00:38.25 | Shirik | nope |
| 00:38.34 | Shirik | but I now own a 5D2 |
| 00:38.40 | Thunder_Child | grats |
| 00:38.53 | Shirik | I was really impressed with the store I went to; I told them about the vignetting issues people were reporting with that lens |
| 00:39.06 | Shirik | they broke out a 5d2 and the lens, let me go outside and take a shot of the sky |
| 00:39.17 | Shirik | check it out for the problem |
| 00:40.26 | mikma | shirik: 5x 2 sided dice? lol |
| 00:40.44 | Thunder_Child | 5Dmk2 actually |
| 00:40.53 | Thunder_Child | s/2/II/ |
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| 00:43.12 | Shirik | 2 sided dice |
| 00:43.14 | Shirik | you mean a coin? |
| 00:44.32 | mikma | nope |
| 00:44.42 | mikma | it has to have numbers 1 and 2 |
| 00:44.45 | mikma | coins dont =( |
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| 00:45.48 | Thunder_Child | not quite true, it can have pips |
| 00:48.05 | Thunder_Child | interesting, i didnt know you could hearth sitting down |
| 00:50.57 | mikma | you can hearth while you do /sleep afaik |
| 00:54.14 | Thunder_Child | damit...new where can i go level. i have done all the quests i can in silithus, EPL, and searing |
| 00:54.22 | Thunder_Child | and i hate winterspring |
| 00:58.45 | mikma | wpl and felwood |
| 00:59.23 | Thunder_Child | finished wpl and felwood....well i guess i can go there |
| 01:03.57 | Yttrium | Winterspring is awesome. |
| 01:04.34 | Thunder_Child | and by awesome you mean iritating? |
| 01:05.12 | Yttrium | And by Winterspring I mean Sithilus :D |
| 01:05.24 | Yttrium | Personally, I hate Sithilus but enjoy Winterspring :) |
| 01:05.35 | Thunder_Child | they are really similar |
| 01:23.09 | tekkub | you would think by now my idiot ex-roomie would know I don't want to go on his shitty pugraids |
| 01:23.55 | mikma | well go |
| 01:23.57 | Torhal | tekkub: Did you phrase it exactly that way to him? |
| 01:24.05 | mikma | and be a ass towards him |
| 01:24.50 | tekkub | I went once, bitched at him the whole time about how horrible it was, and tell him no ever since |
| 01:25.03 | tekkub | why the fuck does he still ask, it's been like 2 months of NO |
| 01:25.44 | Torhal | Must be wub. |
| 01:26.21 | tekkub | or desperate for a healer |
| 01:27.38 | Shirik | huggles tekkub |
| 01:28.08 | tekkub | putting out that request for a US horde not-pvp server guild for me to get away from him on |
| 01:28.41 | tekkub | and be my usual assy self |
| 01:30.02 | foxlit | http://explodingpixels.wordpress.com/ << fun |
| 01:31.03 | Torhal | ponders the ramifications of having tekkub in his guild. |
| 01:31.45 | tekkub | you'll like the ramifi... ramming |
| 01:31.52 | Torhal | Haha |
| 01:31.55 | mikma | hehe |
| 01:33.23 | Torhal | tekkub: Heh. Fury of The Tza Zen - Azuremyst. |
| 01:33.35 | tekkub | furry! |
| 01:33.49 | tekkub | lemme go make a DK to farm starter monies on |
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| 01:38.56 | tekkub | okey I in, Raogrimm |
| 01:40.03 | mikma | lolzies |
| 01:40.25 | tekkub | does mikma actually know the name? so few do |
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| 01:40.35 | tekkub | Torhal: le poke |
| 01:41.38 | Torhal | tekkub: Aye? |
| 01:41.51 | tekkub | <--- Raogrimm |
| 01:42.43 | mikma | tekkub: what name? the one you said? no. |
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| 01:45.51 | mikma | tekkub: you should have named him DKkub |
| 01:46.05 | mikma | or Dekkub ^^ |
| 01:46.07 | tekkub | that's dumb you're fired |
| 01:46.31 | mikma | but. but, butt... |
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| 01:50.50 | End | mikma is about butts |
| 01:51.20 | Shirik | and he cannot lie |
| 01:52.00 | tekkub | maybe I'll just find a bear guild |
| 01:52.23 | Shirik | bear force one |
| 01:53.33 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Shirik....i hate you |
| 01:54.27 | mikma | hehee |
| 01:55.35 | Adys | Iriel: ping |
| 01:55.44 | Iriel | hm? i'm half here |
| 01:55.54 | Thunder_Child | eh? and the other half? |
| 01:56.16 | End | not here |
| 01:56.21 | End | didn't you listen? |
| 01:56.24 | Thunder_Child | i didnt know he coud pahse |
| 01:56.27 | Thunder_Child | phase* |
| 01:56.30 | Adys | Iriel: I wanted a few days ago to integrate DevTools' dump with my addon for debugging |
| 01:56.55 | Iriel | I believe I expose a function for that |
| 01:57.02 | Adys | yeah you do |
| 01:57.03 | Adys | except |
| 01:57.08 | End | DevTools_Dump{horriblefunction()} |
| 01:57.26 | Adys | basically i'd do TRACE("Some relevant info", dtdump(var, var2, var3)) |
| 01:57.42 | End | oh, I never used it like that |
| 01:57.49 | Adys | hopefully dtdump would return what would be printed |
| 01:58.00 | Iriel | Well, you could just pass a first value? |
| 01:58.12 | Iriel | DevTools_Dump("Some relavant info", horribleFunction()); |
| 01:58.15 | Adys | except dt's dump does two things i dont likealot |
| 01:58.38 | Adys | it's multiline (really annoying when I got like 10 vars but are like 1 or 2 digit ints) |
| 01:58.39 | Thunder_Child | makes your addon look bad? |
| 01:59.05 | Adys | and yeah, I need to pass a first value which is hacky |
| 01:59.18 | Adys | was more bothered by the first thing tho, any idea if theres a way to make it single line? |
| 01:59.24 | Adys | like aceconsole's dump |
| 01:59.45 | Iriel | I guess I'm not sure why a single line is considered 'better' |
| 02:00.01 | Iriel | You could tell it to use a different frame and then capture and append the components? 8-) |
| 02:00.15 | Iriel | At some point i'll re-write it and make it use an appender function |
| 02:00.23 | Iriel | since that's how i like writing encoders these days in java |
| 02:01.11 | Iriel | In the meantime I can't really offer more than essentially performing an environment hook on it, and re-assembling its output, or take the code and modify it to your needs and use that |
| 02:01.25 | Adys | alright |
| 02:01.35 | Adys | I was trying to hack off aceconsole's dump |
| 02:02.04 | Adys | all I want is pretty (readable) traces |
| 02:02.24 | Adys | i gave up tho |
| 02:03.02 | Iriel | idles for dinner |
| 02:03.33 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i read that as 'Iriel dies for dinner" |
| 02:03.39 | Thunder_Child | gets his eyes checked |
| 02:04.07 | Adys | I read that as "Tekkub and Thunder_Child sitting in a tree, laughing at bears" |
| 02:04.37 | Thunder_Child | forget glasses you need new eyes....at least i can help you remove them |
| 02:05.12 | Adys | I also read that as "Tekkub and Thunder_Child sitting in a tree, laughing at bears" |
| 02:05.18 | Adys | maybe its my client |
| 02:05.53 | tekkub | woo I found one! |
| 02:06.02 | Adys | bear? |
| 02:06.03 | tekkub | lets see if it's still alive |
| 02:06.07 | tekkub | Ursus |
| 02:06.09 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 02:06.09 | Adys | poor thing. |
| 02:08.10 | Adys | So |
| 02:08.19 | Adys | Someone earlier today found me on facebook |
| 02:08.27 | Adys | a cousin. which I don't think ive ever met. |
| 02:08.53 | Adys | and Im creeped out :( |
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| 02:21.33 | Thunder_Child | ~creep Adys |
| 02:21.43 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 02:21.47 | End | ~peep |
| 02:38.00 | BlackNet | that's what you get for using facebook :) |
| 02:38.04 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle/Timer_API |
| 02:38.13 | Adys | is there a lib that implements this standalone? |
| 02:50.56 | Torhal | Adys: AceEvent-3.0 |
| 02:50.56 | Adys | wtf? |
| 02:50.56 | Adys | Im talking about a timer API not an event api :P |
| 02:52.13 | Torhal | Adys: Sorry, only paying half attention to what the hell I'm saying. I meant AceTimer-3.0 |
| 02:52.33 | Adys | oh |
| 02:52.44 | Adys | er yeah acetimer is even less standalone than dongletimer |
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| 02:53.43 | Shirik | ok, I'm impressed |
| 02:54.57 | Torhal | Adys: As far as I know, it isn't dependant on another lib at all. |
| 02:55.21 | Adys | ace3 :p |
| 02:55.29 | Torhal | Just because it's part of the Ace3 suite doesn't mean it's dependant. |
| 02:55.36 | Adys | yeah it is |
| 02:55.39 | Torhal | There ARE co-dependant parts |
| 02:55.44 | Torhal | Timer isn't one of them |
| 02:56.09 | Adys | it is here |
| 02:59.08 | End | it probably depends on callbackhandler |
| 03:00.39 | End | actually |
| 03:00.42 | End | it wouldn't, would it |
| 03:01.02 | End | does it depend on anything? |
| 03:01.17 | Torhal | End: Not that I can see. |
| 03:01.24 | End | not that I can see either |
| 03:01.33 | Torhal | I think just the fact that it has an Ace3 name is what's killing it. |
| 03:01.35 | Torhal | Bah,. |
| 03:02.36 | End | well, it works as a mixin though |
| 03:02.45 | End | so you can mix it into AceAddOn objects |
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| 03:03.19 | Adys | come on, are there no standalone timer libs? =/ |
| 03:03.24 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:03.55 | Torhal | You don't have to run any other Ace3 libs other than AceTimer-3.0. To me, that's pretty damn standalone. |
| 03:04.00 | Torhal | It just carries the name. |
| 03:04.10 | Adys | i have to, it complains |
| 03:04.13 | Adys | i tried |
| 03:04.40 | Torhal | Complains? |
| 03:04.43 | End | I can't see where it'd complain |
| 03:04.58 | Adys | "no blah blah module found for ...." |
| 03:05.03 | Adys | dont remember the msg exactly |
| 03:06.11 | Torhal | The only place where it mentions module is here: |
| 03:06.17 | Torhal | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(MAJOR..": Warning: The addon/module '"..tostring(self).."' has "..n.." live timers. Surely that's not intended?") |
| 03:06.28 | Adys | not that |
| 03:06.34 | Adys | ill try it with a more recent version |
| 03:06.41 | Adys | thanks i guess |
| 03:15.43 | Adys | Torhal: actually, was acetimer loadable w/o libstub? |
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| 03:16.08 | End | no |
| 03:16.15 | End | that's the one thing that it requires |
| 03:16.34 | End | libstub is tiny though ;P |
| 03:16.36 | Adys | ok |
| 03:16.42 | Adys | yea i know |
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| 03:18.17 | Torhal | Yah, requires it |
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| 03:30.27 | Kraps | hey guys |
| 03:31.12 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.52 | mikma | no |
| 03:44.13 | Kraps | combo blood/unholy? |
| 03:44.29 | Kraps | unholy/blood? |
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| 04:05.29 | Jelly_ | tackles Shirik! |
| 04:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: don't take this the wrong way, but I kinda hope you weigh 400 or more pounds |
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| 04:26.51 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 :( |
| 04:26.58 | Shirik | licks |Jelly| |
| 04:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 04:34.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:34.11 | Shirik | Lightroom is not being nice to me |
| 04:34.46 | ScytheBlade1 | neither is your internets |
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| 04:37.39 | Iriel | shirik: howso? |
| 04:37.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, I <3 lightroom |
| 04:37.48 | Guest7768 | so anyway, Lightroom is not being nice to me |
| 04:37.52 | Guest7768 | and then my router kicked me off |
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| 04:38.00 | Guest7768 | it says my raw files are corrupt |
| 04:38.12 | Iriel | Hm, does it claim to support your camera? |
| 04:38.18 | Shirik | I just updated though |
| 04:38.19 | Thunder_Child | are you using RAW or sRAW1/2? |
| 04:38.22 | Shirik | I know it supports it because my coworker has the same camera :) |
| 04:38.24 | Shirik | RAW |
| 04:38.45 | Shirik | it liked it now |
| 04:38.48 | Shirik | I guess it just needed updates |
| 04:46.16 | mikma | no u |
| 04:47.48 | tekkub | jnwhiteh: is you round? |
| 04:48.59 | Kraps | whats the difference of focus between the Assassination and Combat tree? |
| 04:51.50 | mikma | tekkub: 5:50am in uk |
| 04:52.03 | tekkub | mikma: and? |
| 04:52.20 | mikma | hes sleeping most likely at that time |
| 04:53.02 | tekkub | assuming he keeps a schedule like "normal" people that is |
| 04:53.32 | mikma | lol, "normal", lol |
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| 05:02.56 | Shirik | bah |
| 05:02.58 | Shirik | roommate doing firmware updates on router |
| 05:03.02 | Shirik | anyway, updating lightroom fixed the problem |
| 05:03.04 | Shirik | it's very happy now |
| 05:03.08 | Shirik | Now I need to come up with some sort of organizational scheme |
| 05:03.12 | Shirik | and is it just me or is there no "save" button? |
| 05:03.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, no anything added is auto saved the the schema |
| 05:03.42 | Iriel | There's a "save metadata to files" for some formats, but otherwise it's just saving as you go. |
| 05:04.10 | Thunder_Child | s/schema/catalog/ |
| 05:04.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, there is a very large number of ways to filter it. thats is assuming you need to organize it in the first place |
| 05:05.12 | Shirik | I think I should organize them |
| 05:05.18 | Shirik | if I start now that means I won't have a mess later |
| 05:05.27 | Thunder_Child | it has keyword tags |
| 05:05.34 | Iriel | Keyword them, that's your best bet |
| 05:05.43 | Iriel | then you can re-order them later without losing information |
| 05:05.45 | Shirik | I did that |
| 05:05.53 | Thunder_Child | i have ~8K photos in there and it's not organised but i have never not found something i was looking for |
| 05:05.54 | Iriel | I organize by date, myself |
| 05:05.58 | Shirik | what is a "sidecar file" |
| 05:06.08 | Iriel | It doesn't always work, but it's godo enough. |
| 05:06.20 | Shirik | Yeah I have them organized by date currently too |
| 05:06.35 | Iriel | It's a file that contains information about your file (since they dont want to modify your file, or the data can't fit in it) |
| 05:06.39 | Shirik | 2009/June/13/Description-0001.CR2 or whatever |
| 05:06.54 | Shirik | it says "sidecar files: JPG" |
| 05:07.02 | Shirik | that because I shot RAW+JPG? |
| 05:07.18 | Iriel | Possibly, I'm not entirely sure how LR handles that. TC ?? |
| 05:07.19 | Shirik | like does it know that the two are the same? |
| 05:07.36 | Iriel | I think they have the same name |
| 05:07.44 | Thunder_Child | dunno, never came across a sidecar file myslef |
| 05:07.45 | Shirik | oh true |
| 05:07.47 | Iriel | And same timestamp, so ti probably has logic about that |
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| 05:09.44 | Shirik | Iriel / Thunder_Child: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/44251364e887103e72744e77271ae71b.png |
| 05:09.56 | Shirik | don't comment on the shot, I know it's misfocused |
| 05:09.59 | Shirik | it was just a test |
| 05:10.10 | Shirik | I also didn't have a hood on |
| 05:10.45 | Thunder_Child | great, i screenshot of a picture |
| 05:10.50 | Thunder_Child | /clap |
| 05:10.50 | Shirik | .... |
| 05:10.54 | Shirik | ARROW |
| 05:11.07 | Thunder_Child | dont know, i dont have that on mine |
| 05:11.12 | Thunder_Child | what verson are you using? |
| 05:11.16 | Shirik | 2.3 |
| 05:11.23 | Thunder_Child | ah, i have 2.2 |
| 05:11.25 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 05:11.26 | Thunder_Child | time to update |
| 05:11.26 | Iriel | I believe that's the jpeg that your camera produced |
| 05:11.37 | Thunder_Child | he said he shot raw |
| 05:11.37 | Shirik | that's what I'm guessing |
| 05:11.37 | Iriel | and lightroom puts its metadata in there |
| 05:11.42 | Shirik | I shot RAW+JPG |
| 05:11.42 | Iriel | He said RAW+JPG |
| 05:11.45 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 05:11.50 | Thunder_Child | i missed that |
| 05:11.53 | Iriel | If you didn't have the JPG, then LR would create an XMP sidecar file |
| 05:12.02 | Shirik | XMP? |
| 05:12.30 | Iriel | http://www.oreillynet.com/digitalmedia/blog/2007/04/xmp_sidecar_files_and_lightroo.html |
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| 05:13.46 | Shirik | I get it |
| 05:13.55 | Shirik | so I won't ever see the altered picture on my computer until I export it |
| 05:14.00 | Thunder_Child | actually i think lightroom is creating the jpg sidecar file |
| 05:14.07 | Thunder_Child | now i have to go disable that |
| 05:14.14 | Shirik | I will always see the original but lightroom will make an adjusted file |
| 05:14.16 | Thunder_Child | i dont need even more space being hogged |
| 05:14.32 | Iriel | LR has the set of things to do to the file |
| 05:14.47 | Iriel | it doesn't store an 'adjusted image' beyond a preview |
| 05:15.01 | Shirik | well I meant all the things that it did to the picture |
| 05:15.03 | Iriel | until you export |
| 05:15.05 | Shirik | as data |
| 05:15.08 | Iriel | yeah |
| 05:15.11 | Iriel | You got it |
| 05:16.02 | Thunder_Child | i would like to know how to get rid of it since it does indeed take up room |
| 05:17.39 | Thunder_Child | and it wont let me choose where the cache is located |
| 05:18.11 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 05:18.11 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:18.51 | Shirik | wow, only 20 seconds |
| 05:19.20 | Shirik | awesomee |
| 05:19.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, 0 seconds |
| 05:19.32 | Thunder_Child | 22:18.24 @Shirik: ~ping |
| 05:19.32 | Thunder_Child | 22:18.24 purl: ~pong |
| 05:23.50 | Shirik | Hm, they moved that setting |
| 05:23.50 | Shirik | but I found it |
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| 05:27.18 | Shirik | /growl @ people messing with router |
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| 05:31.30 | Shirik | so you guys just keep everything in one catalog? |
| 05:32.20 | Iriel | I do |
| 05:32.35 | kd3 | sigh |
| 05:32.38 | kd3 | 24 hours of downtime |
| 05:32.42 | kd3 | grrs at his connection |
| 05:33.16 | Shirik | your organizational pattern is essentially just "add keywords" and that's it? |
| 05:33.38 | Thunder_Child | what organizational pattern? |
| 05:33.44 | Thunder_Child | hell, what organization? |
| 05:34.23 | Shirik | isnt' that bad? :P |
| 05:34.40 | Thunder_Child | 8K+ photos and i havent missplaced anything yet |
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| 05:41.13 | Thunder_Child | though i might start using the keyword system |
| 05:41.24 | Thunder_Child | oddly it looks like fun |
| 05:41.37 | Shirik | how the hell do you find anything |
| 05:41.43 | Thunder_Child | i know when i took it |
| 05:41.54 | kd3 | throw darts at the directory listing and pray? |
| 05:48.16 | Shirik | I turned on that setting and now it says "Sidecar files: JPG, xmp" |
| 05:49.21 | Shirik | So I guess what it's saying is "Main file you're looking at: foo.cr2. I also have a JPG and XMP related to this file." |
| 05:50.52 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:51.04 | Shirik | the camera can tell what focal length the lens was set at? |
| 05:51.23 | Shirik | is still ashamed at his lack of digital knowledge |
| 05:53.24 | Thunder_Child | ~teach Shirik |
| 05:53.33 | Thunder_Child | ~learn Shirik |
| 05:53.44 | Thunder_Child | bah! |
| 05:55.16 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:55.18 | Shirik | I am immune |
| 05:56.10 | Thunder_Child | so it would seem |
| 05:59.09 | Adys | frappés are the best invention since columbo invented america |
| 05:59.44 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 06:00.26 | Adys | yes they bloody are |
| 06:01.08 | Shirik | whats? |
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| 06:06.07 | tekkub | MY TASK IS DONE! |
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| 06:09.04 | Thunder_Child | whats what Shirik? |
| 06:09.19 | Shirik | a frappe |
| 06:09.28 | Thunder_Child | the coffe style? |
| 06:09.39 | Shirik | I guess |
| 06:09.40 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 06:09.50 | Thunder_Child | coffee* |
| 06:10.02 | Thunder_Child | w/e we already know Adys fails |
| 06:10.26 | Adys | its a coffee style yeha |
| 06:11.00 | Adys | HOWTO: Add a cherry on top of a bunch of sex in a glass, serve very cold |
| 06:11.11 | Shirik | I have to disconnect brb again |
| 06:12.22 | Thunder_Child | Adys, fuck a virgin in a glass? |
| 06:12.35 | Adys | would you? |
| 06:12.57 | Thunder_Child | dont think i could fit in one |
| 06:13.09 | Adys | that's not what she said |
| 06:13.30 | Taroven | Anyone aware of a way to simulate a raid group in oUF that doesn't involve a BG? |
| 06:13.33 | Thunder_Child | but then she tried and couldnt fit into a glass either |
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| 06:19.40 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdzaEVeFEE |
| 06:19.47 | Adys | skip the 5 first seconds if you CANT BEAR poop jokes |
| 06:19.57 | mikma | http://mikma.reaktio.net/misc/Kuva006.jpg |
| 06:20.17 | Adys | ow |
| 06:20.24 | Thunder_Child | tekkub can bear anything |
| 06:20.28 | mikma | apparently sunday 8:30am is good time to start redecorating your appartment |
| 06:21.35 | tekkub | rawr |
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| 06:38.34 | Guest7906 | night |
| 06:38.48 | Cairenn|afk | night shirik |
| 06:39.00 | Thunder_Child | fail Guest7906 |
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| 06:53.24 | Shirik | ok, un-night |
| 06:53.30 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 06:53.37 | Shirik | I'm making corn dog nuggets |
| 06:54.03 | Thunder_Child | isnt that pigs in a blanket Shirik? |
| 06:54.17 | Shirik | corn dog nuggets! |
| 06:54.39 | Thunder_Child | a mini corndog not on a stick is a pig-in-a-blanket |
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| 06:55.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, so i started keywording things and got lost rather quickly. http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1324268 is a rather handy resource |
| 06:57.12 | tekkub | I swear, they got Tirion's voice actor to slowly pronounce "lich" a few times since people couldn't figure it out |
| 06:57.30 | Thunder_Child | people cant figure out lich? |
| 06:57.49 | tekkub | "blah blah the LITCH king... blah blah LITCH king blah blah |
| 06:58.06 | tekkub | you didn't hear how people pronounce it? |
| 06:58.13 | tekkub | it was practically "licking" |
| 06:58.35 | Thunder_Child | people pronounced it where? |
| 06:58.47 | tekkub | vent, in person, etc etc |
| 07:00.08 | Thunder_Child | dunno, most people i know call it wrath |
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| 07:03.49 | Shirik | (23:54:34) (Thunder_Child) a mini corndog not on a stick is a pig-in-a-blanket |
| 07:03.57 | Shirik | Negative, good sir. Firstly, I do not have any blankets large enough to encompass an entire pig |
| 07:04.07 | Shirik | and secondly, they are in fact mini corn dogs |
| 07:04.13 | Shirik | albeit, without a stick, but they are still mini corn dogs |
| 07:06.53 | Thunder_Child | call it what you like |
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| 07:09.12 | Thunder_Child | a rose by any other name.... |
| 07:09.26 | Shirik | mini corn dogs! |
| 07:09.44 | Wobin | we call them Dagwood Dogs |
| 07:09.59 | Shirik | then you call them WRONG |
| 07:10.31 | Shirik | admittedly I never did know why they're called corn dogs |
| 07:10.48 | Wobin | Mostly because we don't have the built in trust Americans have in the word 'corn', to require it for dodgy food |
| 07:11.10 | Thunder_Child | because they are corn wraped hotdogs |
| 07:11.21 | Wobin | ours just uses batter |
| 07:11.30 | Wobin | not sure where the corn comes into it |
| 07:12.29 | Shirik | texas calls them "Corny dogs" :/ |
| 07:13.03 | Thunder_Child | i wanst kidding when i said it was wraped in corn, the fluffy wraping is made of corn + deep fried + misc |
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| 07:25.05 | Shirik | I just like the name "corny dog" |
| 07:26.42 | Shirik | Wikipedia wins |
| 07:26.59 | Shirik | "Jonnycake (also spelled 'johnnycake,'..." |
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| 08:01.45 | Wobin | hehe misc |
| 08:20.15 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:22.51 | Fisker | gentlemen |
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| 09:59.23 | Nitra | Is Grid_QuickHealth still working? http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/project-14141.aspx |
| 10:02.42 | Grum | i wonder why you would want to use it |
| 10:02.59 | Nitra | It wouldn't affect anything? |
| 10:03.11 | Grum | its the server which queues the events in the end and you are not going to 'beat' that :P |
| 10:04.16 | Nitra | So things have changed since people were messing around with, just getting into healing and are looking around for stuff to use |
| 10:19.48 | Mikk | I'm not so damn sure it's "useless" myself |
| 10:20.12 | Mikk | Combatlog events still arrive a hell of a lot faster than you get UNIT_HEALTHs |
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| 10:20.30 | Mikk | I thought it just died when the combatlog format changed and noone updated it? |
| 10:20.44 | Nitra | Ah |
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| 10:21.23 | Nitra | Wasn't sure about when the combat log format changed |
| 10:21.44 | Mikk | I may be wrong :P |
| 10:23.26 | Fisker | slaps Mikk around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:28.52 | Kalroth | Mikk is never wrong! |
| 10:29.05 | Mikk | I wish! |
| 10:29.29 | Mikk | But I'm wrong a whole hell of a lot less often than.. oh.. Fisker |
| 10:30.40 | Kalroth | If wrong was a human form, then it would be Fisker. |
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| 10:43.26 | airtonix | heallines for ouf_healcomm is something im trying to make |
| 10:43.33 | airtonix | was a module for bunch of bars |
| 10:44.34 | airtonix | then i can go onto make a 'failhealer' for those raid healers that like to heal tanks when the raid needs healing |
| 10:45.36 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:45.43 | Wobin | I'm having issues DK tanking Mimiron in P1 |
| 10:46.05 | Wobin | not enough mitigation on plasma blast |
| 10:48.59 | Kalroth | you need to blow cooldowns |
| 10:49.06 | Wobin | I am =\ |
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| 10:49.13 | Wobin | but that only accounts for 20% reduction |
| 10:49.14 | Kalroth | then your healers need to shape up :p |
| 10:49.18 | Kalroth | huh? |
| 10:49.29 | Wobin | IBF is 20% |
| 10:49.53 | Kalroth | what spec? |
| 10:51.08 | Wobin | frost |
| 10:51.08 | Wobin | although it could be more, depending on how much extra defense adds to it |
| 10:51.08 | Kalroth | IBF should be 35% or so |
| 10:51.17 | Wobin | UBA is only damage reduction per hit |
| 10:51.41 | Wobin | I'm not sure how it calculates, maybe there's a calculator online somewhere |
| 10:53.24 | Kalroth | "It seems to be about .15% of damage reduction for every Defense above 400." |
| 10:53.49 | Kalroth | and if you use the glyph, then it's 50% |
| 10:54.11 | Kalroth | (I think) |
| 10:54.34 | Mikk | How to survive: Use priest wings on rotation, have everyone spam their fast heals nonstop |
| 10:55.05 | Mikk | As soon as you see the raid emote, just start spamming |
| 10:55.07 | Kalroth | paladins got that 30% reduction too |
| 10:55.41 | Mikk | Very true, but it kind of acts at the wrong end of the spectrum |
| 10:55.50 | Kalroth | also if you're Frost, then Unbreakable Armor should do the trick too, no? |
| 10:55.57 | Mikk | It'll shave off the _first_ blast. Not the one that kills you :P |
| 10:56.44 | Wobin | ah, 41% or so at 540 defense |
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| 10:57.32 | Wobin | The glyph apparently is pretty useless unless you're of low defense |
| 10:57.51 | Kalroth | ah okay, so it's only good for pvp or something |
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| 12:27.01 | Mclol | hi |
| 12:32.47 | Mclol | how can I make a kind of "listbox"? |
| 12:32.54 | Mclol | I'd like to make a blacklist addon |
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| 12:36.52 | Mclol | can I make a multi line text box? |
| 12:41.34 | Aelobin | faux scroll frame sounds like the answer :P |
| 12:42.09 | Aelobin | you could use a multiline edit box, but it wouldn't be as visually nice :P |
| 12:44.43 | Mclol | I know |
| 12:44.53 | Mclol | faux scroll frame, ok I'll search about it |
| 12:47.54 | jnwhiteh | yay I am "Ambassador Derwydd" |
| 12:48.02 | jnwhiteh | and of the Gnomeregan, Exodar and Darnassus |
| 12:48.09 | jnwhiteh | but I still like the Noble is the best title I have :P |
| 12:48.30 | Fisker | http://www.wow.com/2009/06/14/breakfast-topic-what-do-you-think-of-region-specific-pets/ |
| 12:48.32 | Fisker | fail |
| 12:48.39 | Fisker | "This is that first time that I can recall when Blizzard have made a non-combat pet region-exclusive." |
| 12:48.47 | Fisker | lol'd |
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| 12:51.33 | Aelobin | meh blizzcon pets took it "outside the game" before |
| 12:56.05 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:58.51 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 13:02.24 | Fisker | herrow |
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| 13:47.22 | Grondi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:52.27 | zenzelezz | I think you use some of the functions at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#merchant |
| 13:52.36 | Jamash | you know the name of the item? |
| 13:52.54 | zenzelezz | haven't done it myself, but I imagine you'd do a loop over the items the vendor has until you find the one you're looking for |
| 13:53.16 | Grondi | woundgift VII and another |
| 13:53.50 | Grondi | wound poison damn german-english |
| 13:55.11 | Grondi | my problem is to ge the index of the item at the merchant |
| 13:55.38 | Jamash | start at 1, keep going until the item info function returns nil or you run into the item you want |
| 13:57.06 | zenzelezz | "June 13, 12:01pm: Twelve hours after launch, a passionate and vitriol-filled flame war erupts amongst web protocol nazis about exacly which 300-series HTTP header should be used to redirect from the old /profile.php?id=500012896 URLs to the new system. Mark Pilgrim writes an overwrought essay on the topic, and 300 Ubuntu users on netbooks use their free hand to Digg the post. For these nerds, "The Facebook Debacle" refers to the impr |
| 13:57.07 | zenzelezz | oper headers used on the redirects, instead of the few minutes of difficulty in registering names." |
| 13:57.18 | Grondi | sry, but i dont know how :D |
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| 14:03.37 | Fisker | head litterature != CARE |
| 14:07.36 | Aelobin | how does wikicreole tables work <_> |
| 14:07.38 | Aelobin | it's confusing me |
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| 14:11.42 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 14:14.04 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: you have no chance to survive make your time |
| 14:15.15 | Fisker | send every 'zig' |
| 14:17.40 | Gnarfoz | ~zig |
| 14:17.40 | purl | Theme97: ZONES IN GROUPS! |
| 14:17.46 | Gnarfoz | wut? :O |
| 14:18.02 | Gnarfoz | ~aybabtu |
| 14:18.02 | purl | hmm... aybabtu is ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!, or all your beer are belong to us |
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| 14:27.10 | Kraps | GC is teh pissy http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/17779497838-when-will-the-fix-come-to-the-poor-retadins.html |
| 14:32.28 | Kraps | "Posts about threatening to quit the game will get you banned. Threats were not effective at getting your way in elementary school and they donât work now." |
| 14:32.35 | Kraps | BWAAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:32.46 | airtonix | http://files.getdropbox.com/u/180039/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_061409_233333.jpg |
| 14:32.55 | airtonix | i haz heallines |
| 14:33.26 | Kraps | is that grid? |
| 14:33.34 | zenzelezz | I don't get that... is Bill healing Smee or something? |
| 14:33.45 | airtonix | other way round |
| 14:34.16 | airtonix | its rough for now but it's working |
| 14:34.17 | Gnarfoz | should anchor to the center of a unit :p |
| 14:34.56 | airtonix | next step is to make the line the same colour as the class sending the heal |
| 14:35.00 | Lukian | Kraps, oh nice, ret is being 'fixed' :p |
| 14:35.17 | Lukian | I was just looking at the priority/rotation for it and it's.. facerolling XD |
| 14:35.18 | Kraps | Lukian: istn it always |
| 14:35.34 | Kraps | getting fixed i mean |
| 14:35.38 | Lukian | indeed |
| 14:35.40 | Lukian | I do quite enjoy the burst though :> |
| 14:35.51 | Lukian | it's fun to kill mobs in like, 3 button presses |
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| 14:36.29 | Gnarfoz | try facerolling with ret and see you somewhere near the tanks in dps |
| 14:36.30 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 14:36.58 | Lukian | you only have 3 cooldowns to manage :p |
| 14:37.12 | Lukian | spamming 1,2,3 on your keyboard will do that nicely |
| 14:37.19 | zenzelezz | I thought retribution's main problem was that they die in 5 seconds because they keep pulling adds with AoE |
| 14:37.23 | Gnarfoz | Lukian: no |
| 14:37.32 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: lol |
| 14:37.41 | Gnarfoz | how do you pull anything with AoE |
| 14:37.52 | zenzelezz | our poor ret paladin had some issues when we were learning Sartharion+3 |
| 14:37.57 | Lukian | zenzelezz, only with awful tanks :p |
| 14:38.03 | zenzelezz | "on me... again" |
| 14:38.12 | Lukian | which is why I'm primary prot.. :p |
| 14:38.17 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: locks, hunters, mages? |
| 14:38.36 | Gnarfoz | poor ret should maybe look into "don't DS when there's this neat "whelps inc" timer at about... .5 seconds |
| 14:39.05 | Gnarfoz | a prot's consecration will out-tps you in no time, anyway, so that part is fine |
| 14:39.16 | zenzelezz | as long as it's in the right place |
| 14:39.34 | zenzelezz | once we juggled our tanks so we have a prot paladin on whelps and elementals, things got much easier |
| 14:39.34 | Gnarfoz | since there's only one place where it should be, that should be accomplishable |
| 14:39.38 | Lukian | a prot's ambient "let the mobs beat themselves to death on you" (as long as you have the initial threat) will do that too :) |
| 14:39.57 | Gnarfoz | this was about "initial threat" so that doesn't fly |
| 14:39.58 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 14:40.42 | Gnarfoz | anyway, off to raid on my "faceroll" paladin as you called it (even though I use more than 3 abilities ;p) |
| 14:42.02 | Fisker | i use double that |
| 14:42.24 | Fisker | not counting divine plea, AW, etc. |
| 14:42.50 | airtonix | i think our prot paladin in our guild has downs syndrome |
| 14:42.58 | Lukian | Gnarfoz, enjoy :D |
| 14:43.29 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: indeed |
| 14:43.51 | zenzelezz | airtonix: how so? |
| 14:43.54 | Lukian | Fisker: you look different today |
| 14:44.20 | Fisker | no |
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| 14:44.55 | airtonix | most of the time he only picks up the adds after its killed a healer |
| 14:45.15 | Lukian | maybe he doesn't like that healer :> |
| 14:45.51 | airtonix | actually i think all but one of the main toon paladins in our guild have downs |
| 14:46.07 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure how that relates to down's syndrome |
| 14:46.14 | airtonix | they all heal anything but their assigned heal target, never pick up the adds till a healer is dead |
| 14:46.38 | airtonix | ok they have golden mongoloid fleece syndrom |
| 14:46.59 | airtonix | or southeastern sweaty gnat psychosis |
| 14:47.55 | airtonix | oh and the elemental shaman has a hardon for shaman tanking |
| 14:48.22 | airtonix | never waits for tanks to have even a speck of threat before unloading with the faceroll |
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| 14:53.53 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 14:53.54 | jnwhiteh | Healing Grace |
| 14:54.01 | jnwhiteh | any reason why the most popular shaman specs don't take it? |
| 15:00.48 | Beladona | jnwhiteh: depends, are we talking pvp or pve? |
| 15:01.02 | jnwhiteh | pve |
| 15:01.07 | Beladona | its useless in pve |
| 15:01.13 | jnwhiteh | siorioacht is speccing ele and resto |
| 15:01.23 | Beladona | neither should have threat problems |
| 15:01.26 | Beladona | ever |
| 15:01.28 | jnwhiteh | not in PUGs |
| 15:01.30 | Beladona | if they do, the tanks suck |
| 15:01.32 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 15:01.33 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 15:01.40 | jnwhiteh | we all can't have amazing tanks following us around |
| 15:01.49 | Beladona | pug I can see it maybe |
| 15:02.09 | Beladona | but a good shaman can scale back what they are doing to counter any threat issues |
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| 15:02.40 | Beladona | I can see it being a problem though if you CH spam in a 5 man |
| 15:02.48 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 15:02.53 | jnwhiteh | i'm not familiar with shaman =) |
| 15:03.01 | jnwhiteh | i know i can easily pull aggro quickly as a druid healerl |
| 15:03.09 | jnwhiteh | with non-spectacular groups |
| 15:03.14 | Beladona | shamans dont have the hps of a druid |
| 15:03.21 | Beladona | not anymore anyway |
| 15:03.50 | Beladona | with that said, its been a while since I have done any pugs |
| 15:04.01 | Beladona | so I imagine it happens |
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| 15:05.19 | JaggaJatt | hey guys |
| 15:05.27 | JaggaJatt | im trying to apply a Ui I downloaded from WoWinterface |
| 15:05.45 | JaggaJatt | and basically, ive done everything ive deleted wtf,interface and font folders and run the reset with repair.exe |
| 15:05.56 | JaggaJatt | and still i cant get any of them to look like the ones I want |
| 15:06.23 | jnwhiteh | okay, is this a compilation.. or an addon |
| 15:06.31 | JaggaJatt | urm |
| 15:06.34 | JaggaJatt | compilation |
| 15:06.42 | JaggaJatt | http://cladhaire.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9960-OnslaughtUI.html |
| 15:07.48 | jnwhiteh | and i'm assuming you have followed the directions |
| 15:07.56 | JaggaJatt | come on man :D |
| 15:07.58 | JaggaJatt | ofcourse i have |
| 15:08.03 | jnwhiteh | no, i can't assume that |
| 15:08.07 | jnwhiteh | nor will I ever |
| 15:08.08 | airtonix | muwahaha |
| 15:08.13 | JaggaJatt | fair enough |
| 15:08.16 | jnwhiteh | you clearly have no idea the support we have to go through |
| 15:08.21 | jnwhiteh | then what is the _issue_ |
| 15:08.41 | JaggaJatt | well ive followed all the steps with that compilation |
| 15:08.49 | JaggaJatt | what I will do now is try similar steps with another compilation |
| 15:08.54 | JaggaJatt | and i'll see if it works out |
| 15:09.04 | JaggaJatt | could just be that particular skin isn't for my pc or something |
| 15:09.20 | airtonix | lol |
| 15:12.21 | JaggaJatt | :p |
| 15:12.30 | JaggaJatt | thanks jnwhiteh - ill update you as to how it goes :E |
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| 15:17.17 | Jaerin | Hey I'm taking over the GarbageFu project on wowace and I'm wondering if anyone can help me fix the externals. |
| 15:17.34 | Jaerin | I have the code fixed, but I'm not quite sure on how to get it uploaded to the repository |
| 15:20.26 | JaggaJatt | ok so Compilation Screenshots : http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw22844.jpg and my screenshot : http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7357/wowscrnshot061409161713.jpg ( jnwhiteh ) |
| 15:20.28 | JaggaJatt | :( |
| 15:20.56 | jnwhiteh | well i have to run |
| 15:20.58 | jnwhiteh | hopefully someone can help |
| 15:23.29 | JaggaJatt | :EEEE |
| 15:24.09 | yaroot | have you read the manual on wowace? |
| 15:24.38 | Jaerin | I have read the knowledge base yes... |
| 15:25.42 | yaroot | problem with .pkgmeta file? |
| 15:25.56 | JaggaJatt | yaroot you speaking to me ? |
| 15:26.15 | yaroot | no, to jaerin |
| 15:26.15 | Jaerin | Well it looks like a lot of the libraries that used to be linked are no longer on wowace...they've moved to curseforge I believe |
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| 15:26.34 | Jaerin | This project hasn't been updated since Dec 2009 |
| 15:26.37 | Jaerin | err 2008 |
| 15:26.59 | Zhinjio | Jaerin: give me an example of a library you believe has moved |
| 15:27.06 | Jaerin | So I know there is going to be project conversion stuff that needs to be done |
| 15:27.09 | Jaerin | LibPeriodic |
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| 15:27.45 | Zhinjio | http://www.wowace.com/projects/libperiodictable-3-1/repositories/mainline/ |
| 15:28.16 | Zhinjio | please note the URLs there, they will help you reform (if needed) the URLs in your pkgmeta to make sure things get packaged correctly |
| 15:28.39 | JaggaJatt | YES I DID IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:34.10 | airtonix | whats the point, fubar is fubar |
| 15:34.15 | airtonix | lbd is the new pink |
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| 16:01.06 | Cairenn | Well guys, I'm about to do something I haven't done in more years than I can remember. I'm going on vacation! If you need anything on WoWI while I'm going you'll need to ping/PM one of the other staff, I'm going to be completely incommunicado. Have a good couple weeks all! |
| 16:01.56 | Fisker | have a nice trip |
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| 16:03.49 | Cidan | wow |
| 16:03.55 | Cidan | Have a nice time, Cairenn! |
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| 16:24.30 | Kraps | if i dont turn in the valiant quest i can do the valiant dailies indefinitely? |
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| 17:01.09 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 17:06.04 | Lothaer | slow night/day huh |
| 17:07.58 | zenzelezz | people seem to be having fun with the Facebook username stuff... http://www.facebook.com/default.aspx http://facebook.com/.htaccess |
| 17:09.07 | Fisker | !care(); |
| 17:09.44 | Cidan | hah |
| 17:09.46 | Cidan | .htaccess |
| 17:09.48 | zenzelezz | incomplete expression Fisker |
| 17:09.50 | Cidan | I lawl'd |
| 17:12.31 | zenzelezz | why didn't I try choosing index.html |
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| 17:25.50 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/sub_woofers_dog.jpg |
| 17:26.16 | Lothaer | cute mikma |
| 17:26.45 | mikma | iam? :) |
| 17:26.46 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/tattoo6.jpg |
| 17:27.30 | Lothaer | roflmao |
| 17:27.42 | Lothaer | i bet that tat hurt |
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| 17:28.30 | Lothaer | yey tekk |
| 17:28.50 | mikma | yeah, looks like a spot that can be a bit tender |
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| 17:29.16 | mikma | tekkub: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/tom_of_finland_hydrant.jpg |
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| 17:38.02 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:38.09 | Jaerin | Anyone know if there is a way to move a project from wowace to curseforge? |
| 17:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. I require entertainments for packing-times. I'm soooo sick of packing! :) |
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| 17:48.27 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: packing? |
| 17:48.55 | Lopeppeppy | Moving in August, Cidan. |
| 17:49.00 | Cidan | Oh ho |
| 17:49.03 | Cidan | Where to? |
| 17:49.18 | Lopeppeppy | Just someplace smaller in the same complex, but I still have to pack it all up. |
| 17:49.38 | Shirik | you should move to VA |
| 17:49.54 | Cidan | Truth |
| 17:49.57 | Cidan | Move near meh! |
| 17:49.59 | Shirik | or WA |
| 17:50.27 | Cidan | also, curses, I can't find my deus ex cd |
| 17:50.47 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry guys, the job is here, not planning on a wild cross-country tour. But thanks for the invites! :) |
| 17:50.59 | Cidan | l2job in VA |
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| 17:55.55 | Lopeppeppy | Or l2sugardaddy? *shrug* |
| 17:56.49 | cbreak | is there an event that fires when spell damage changes? |
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| 17:57.50 | Cidan | lol |
| 17:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | Dr. Damage keeps track of it somehow, but I don't know if that's via event or what exactly. |
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| 18:06.35 | Tepel | I'd say listen to "gain" buffs and check SP afterwards |
| 18:09.04 | mikma | spotify:track:3mB9H2FS4JPClwjqahs3P7 |
| 18:09.08 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.34 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 18:12.45 | Lopeppeppy | gobbledeegeek |
| 18:22.47 | airtonix | any ideas on how to compress this macro even further ? http://pastebin.com/m49417504 |
| 18:22.57 | airtonix | macro/script |
| 18:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: Lopeppeppy: have to live outside the US to use that service |
| 18:26.41 | batrick | airtonix: one sec, I'm shortening it |
| 18:27.26 | airtonix | that whole o=o bit could alot shorter i think |
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| 18:29.13 | batrick | airtonix: http://lua.pastey.net/116020 |
| 18:30.02 | batrick | don't remember how many chars I removed total... but at least 10 |
| 18:32.03 | zenzelezz | couldn't you also make a reference to ChatFrameEditBox and use that to call its functions? |
| 18:32.08 | airtonix | yep |
| 18:32.27 | airtonix | but this part : o=o..(h==2 and '[h]' or '')..n..(i < c() and ", " or "") |
| 18:32.40 | krka | http://lua.pastey.net/116021 |
| 18:32.51 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* if they rework vindication into something decent again i'm going to be iritated |
| 18:33.48 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: how so? |
| 18:34.11 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, because i already worked it out of my talent build |
| 18:34.30 | batrick | krka: seems you added a function call? |
| 18:34.45 | batrick | GetNumSavedInstances() |
| 18:34.46 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: aha |
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| 18:35.20 | Aelobin | airtonix: is that meant to be a picture or some code? :P |
| 18:35.50 | airtonix | Aelobin, its to print out the dungeons/raids you're saved to into the chatframeeditbox |
| 18:36.14 | airtonix | lua> local h=1;print((h==2 and'[h]')) |
| 18:36.14 | lua_bot | airtonix: false |
| 18:36.14 | krka | batrick: no, i decreased the number of function calls |
| 18:36.19 | batrick | airtonix: I tried not to change the code more than reducing what's necessary syntactically |
| 18:36.22 | krka | it used to be called three times i think |
| 18:36.24 | batrick | krka: yes I just saw that |
| 18:37.52 | airtonix | lua> h,n,i,c = 1,"hogger",2,5; print( (h==2 and'[h]'or'')..n..(i<c and", "or"") ) |
| 18:37.52 | lua_bot | airtonix: hogger, |
| 18:38.05 | airtonix | lua> h,n,i,c = 1,"hogger",2,5; print( (h==2 and'[h]')..n..(i<c and", ") ) |
| 18:38.05 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate a boolean value |
| 18:38.41 | krka | should be better even: http://lua.pastey.net/116022 |
| 18:39.22 | airtonix | im not even sure i need the format func at the end? |
| 18:39.23 | batrick | krka: you don't need the space after a function call parents |
| 18:39.26 | batrick | parens* |
| 18:39.49 | krka | good point |
| 18:39.52 | Dagmar | Perhaps he likes readability |
| 18:39.55 | batrick | airtonix: you can also get rid of the format at the end, since the string is appended to the very end of the string |
| 18:40.06 | batrick | you can just use concatenation |
| 18:40.12 | batrick | that'll save ~6 or so chars |
| 18:40.20 | airtonix | ja already doing it any in the middle |
| 18:40.25 | airtonix | anyway* |
| 18:41.35 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:41.36 | Thunder_Child | oh lol http://gizmodo.com/5290118/microsoft-donates-eight-meals-for-each-internet-explorer-8-download |
| 18:41.54 | airtonix | lololol |
| 18:42.07 | airtonix | wheres my meal? |
| 18:42.11 | Zyndrome | "for each IE 8 download" |
| 18:42.23 | mikma | drowns the troll |
| 18:42.24 | Zyndrome | can't be many then, enough to fill a box |
| 18:42.28 | Zyndrome | HURR DURR |
| 18:42.52 | Dagmar | Way to go Microsoft |
| 18:43.05 | Dagmar | They've found a way to let the mentally handicapped feed the homeless. |
| 18:43.16 | Aelobin | lol Dagmar |
| 18:44.28 | Thunder_Child | wow...this is nifty http://gizmodo.com/5289548/activated-full-size-gundam-robot-looks-totally-absofrikinlutely-zomg |
| 18:44.43 | airtonix | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=wulff&i=110 |
| 18:44.45 | Fisker | you're the real troll mikma |
| 18:44.48 | Thunder_Child | if only it defened the city against attacks |
| 18:44.49 | Fisker | linking to shit we can't use |
| 18:44.50 | Fisker | also |
| 18:44.59 | Fisker | Anyone who DOESN'T download IE8 is a soul-less monster |
| 18:45.16 | airtonix | i r souless |
| 18:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 18:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda hard to run it on linux |
| 18:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | but I'm a heathen so whatever |
| 18:45.37 | Fisker | you can download it though, right? |
| 18:45.45 | Fisker | well probably not because of WGA |
| 18:45.47 | ScytheBlade1 | no, actually |
| 18:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 18:46.41 | tekkub | you ever read the WGA blog? |
| 18:46.44 | tekkub | it's some funny shit |
| 18:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl, the have a blog? |
| 18:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I demand a link |
| 18:47.11 | tekkub | yea it's the most entertaining one I've read |
| 18:47.23 | tekkub | http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/ |
| 18:48.30 | airtonix | unity through strength! |
| 18:48.33 | airtonix | or some shit |
| 18:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ "Pirated Windows 7 builds a botnet" |
| 18:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 18:49.05 | tekkub | I know, they made like 5 posts about how the pirates versions are *all* hacked |
| 18:49.59 | Thunder_Child | airtonix, that takes me back to alpha centauri |
| 18:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "For this reason, the overall rate [of piracy] grew from 38% to 41%" |
| 18:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | PS: IT ISN'T WORKING, BUT WE CAN'T SAY IT THAT WAY ON THIS BLOG |
| 18:50.32 | tekkub | I told you it was entertaining |
| 18:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That is good stuff |
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| 18:56.48 | Dewin | There is no reliable way to detect if a unit in your raid just switched talent specs unless that unit is you, correct? |
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| 18:59.15 | Dewin | (I can think of a few not-100%-accurate hints involving power dropping abruptly from a large amount to a small one on a class that doesn't use rage/runic power) |
| 19:01.12 | Dagmar | That would be it |
| 19:14.19 | Aelobin | is time() local to the computer or the server? |
| 19:16.07 | mikma | aint time() unixtime |
| 19:16.37 | tekkub | uhm, there's one for server time and lone for local computer time |
| 19:17.01 | mikma | GetTime() is how long your pc has been up |
| 19:17.04 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23 |
| 19:17.06 | Adys | nice going |
| 19:17.17 | Aelobin | tekkub: whats the server time one |
| 19:18.08 | tekkub | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGameTime |
| 19:18.43 | tekkub | time() is os.time() I think (unix time) and GetTime is like computer uptime in seconds or some shit |
| 19:19.14 | Aelobin | ty, i need the one you linked ;) |
| 19:20.32 | tekkub | heh, no one knows what GetTime is |
| 19:20.33 | tekkub | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTime |
| 19:20.52 | mikma | well i know |
| 19:20.59 | mikma | it's the uptime of your local pc :P |
| 19:21.27 | tekkub | no, mine's at about 7 days |
| 19:21.46 | tekkub | I know it's been a *lot* longer than that since I restarted |
| 19:21.47 | Aelobin | guessing date() is local too? |
| 19:21.58 | tekkub | even if you only consider time the computer's been awake |
| 19:22.22 | tekkub | date() should just be a formatter time() call |
| 19:22.29 | mikma | [22:22:21] 2 05 22 |
| 19:22.37 | mikma | that's what it says on me, and it's accurate |
| 19:22.38 | Dewin | GetTime is definitely not in seconds, whatever it is |
| 19:22.57 | tekkub | or maybe it's the other way around, time is a formatted date call |
| 19:23.10 | Aelobin | aye but GetGameTime returns hours/minutes |
| 19:23.13 | Aelobin | and i need that in epoch :p |
| 19:23.16 | tekkub | been too long since I've used the crap, since the in-game clock is actually usable now |
| 19:23.26 | Dewin | time() is seconds since Jan 1 1970 midnight UTC |
| 19:23.31 | mikma | 2h 5min since i turned my pc on :P |
| 19:23.33 | tekkub | only use game time if you care about the server |
| 19:23.51 | mikma | time() is good <3 |
| 19:24.11 | Dewin | date is date based off time() at client's timezone |
| 19:24.35 | tekkub | I knew they were linked one way or t'other :P |
| 19:25.02 | tekkub | I guess the question is, why do you care about epoch? |
| 19:25.10 | Dewin | you can also do date(nil, othertimestamp) to get the date at some other time |
| 19:25.55 | Aelobin | yeh but GetGameTime only returns hours/minutes, so i'm guessing i'd need to get the date with date() first |
| 19:26.01 | Dagmar | Because window's time() calls are bullshit |
| 19:26.13 | Dagmar | *That* would be why you care about epoch time |
| 19:26.28 | Dewin | time() is already epoch time, even on wndows |
| 19:26.58 | Aelobin | idd |
| 19:27.05 | Dagmar | I'll rephrase then |
| 19:27.06 | tekkub | I'm not asking about epoch in general, I'm asking what he's trying to make |
| 19:27.12 | Dagmar | s/\(\)//g; |
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| 19:30.23 | Aelobin | i had a function that sent something along with the time() and it only accepted it if the time between time() on the receiver and the time in the strnig were 5 seconds or less apart |
| 19:31.01 | Aelobin | but if time() is local and the 2 system clocks aren't in the same time zone then it would mess up |
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| 19:31.25 | Dewin | Aelobin: time() is seconds since Jan 1 midnight 1970 *GMT* |
| 19:31.31 | Aelobin | i know |
| 19:31.32 | Dewin | aka it's always relative to the same time zone. |
| 19:31.33 | Aelobin | aka epoch |
| 19:31.45 | Aelobin | but they might _not_ be in the same time zone :p |
| 19:31.51 | Dewin | It doesn't matter. |
| 19:31.53 | tekkub | yea you're never going to get that sort of precision out of wow |
| 19:32.05 | Aelobin | Dewin: it does matter |
| 19:32.23 | tekkub | and if there's 5 seconds of lag between two users, they're gonna have a hard time playing together |
| 19:32.30 | Aelobin | play A is in the USA and player B is in australia, due to the hours difference, a 5 second check on the local time() and the received time in the string will fail |
| 19:32.46 | Dewin | lua>print(time()) |
| 19:32.46 | lua_bot | Dewin: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 19:32.47 | Aelobin | *player A |
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| 19:32.53 | Dewin | lua>print(os.time()) |
| 19:32.53 | lua_bot | Dewin: 1245007880 |
| 19:33.01 | Aelobin | Dewin: i know how time() works :P |
| 19:33.02 | tekkub | server time isn't that precise, and local time is 100% dependent on the local computer's clock |
| 19:33.03 | Dewin | same time here in PST :) |
| 19:33.38 | Dewin | time() will return the exact same result at the same time on any computer with a properly synchronized clock anywhere in the world regardless of time zone. |
| 19:33.53 | Dewin | key component here: properly synchronized clock |
| 19:33.57 | tekkub | best you could do is poll the server time every second for a minute till you find when it changes, and get a seconds offset to local time |
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| 19:34.19 | tekkub | but then, why do you care about 5 seconds time? |
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| 19:34.33 | mikma | hes planning to do some haxx |
| 19:34.37 | tekkub | probably |
| 19:34.42 | tekkub | BAN HIM |
| 19:34.53 | Aelobin | xD |
| 19:35.01 | mikma | cai<tab><tab> .. what? ;) |
| 19:35.07 | Dagmar | More reasonable solution: Learn about NTP |
| 19:35.15 | tekkub | seriously, if there's 5 sec lag between two players, nothing's gonna work right, not just your addon |
| 19:35.18 | mikma | not to play |
| 19:35.20 | Aelobin | Dewin: time() wont return the same number in different time zones |
| 19:35.46 | Dewin | Aelobin: Yes it will, that's the whole point of it being number of seconds since ... greenwich mean time, not since ... your local time |
| 19:36.10 | tekkub | you can normalize off server time if you manually determine it's seconds... but still all that trouble really doesn't seem worth it |
| 19:36.13 | Dewin | I work with this stuff for a living and have created a number of applications involving calendars. Trust me. |
| 19:36.14 | Dagmar | The main problem is probably the numebr of windows coders who want to just go straight for the localized time string and then try to perform operations on it |
| 19:37.03 | Dewin | It's also why you can't reliably do time() + 86400 to go forward a day. |
| 19:37.31 | Dewin | it'll go forward exactly one day in UTC, but in your local time if you observe daylight savings time you have one 23-hour day and one 25-hour day. |
| 19:37.51 | tekkub | that and a proper day isn't 86400 seconds ^^ |
| 19:38.16 | Dewin | lua>print(24*60*60) |
| 19:38.16 | lua_bot | Dewin: 86400 |
| 19:38.39 | tekkub | leap seconds :P |
| 19:38.41 | mikma | proper day is 86359? |
| 19:38.51 | Dewin | tekkub: unix time ignores leap seconds. |
| 19:39.03 | tekkub | unix time is a dick |
| 19:39.17 | mikma | you know what else is a dick? |
| 19:39.21 | Dewin | I believe it handles it by making the last second of the day twice as long or something like that. |
| 19:39.27 | Dewin | implementation-dependant |
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| 19:39.38 | Dagmar | it doesn't really ignore them so much as they don't matter. |
| 19:39.39 | Aelobin | sorry pc overheated |
| 19:39.42 | Aelobin | did i miss much |
| 19:39.50 | mikma | we solved the ultimate question |
| 19:39.54 | mikma | meaning of life and everything |
| 19:40.06 | tekkub | that was solved years ago |
| 19:40.13 | tekkub | :P |
| 19:40.26 | Dewin | aelobin: The crux of the matter is, time() returns the same result across all time zones |
| 19:40.27 | mikma | shusss |
| 19:40.30 | mikma | he might not know that |
| 19:40.44 | Aelobin | =o |
| 19:41.15 | Dewin | don't believe me? /dump time() in WoW, change your time zone up an hour, change your time up an hour (since it's an hour later in that timezone), /dump time() again |
| 19:41.21 | tekkub | I still think you just need to reasses what you're doing and why you think you need to check for 5 seconds latency :P |
| 19:41.47 | mikma | or, stop coding haxx |
| 19:41.56 | tekkub | and that |
| 19:42.10 | Dewin | time()'s useful for versioning though |
| 19:42.14 | mikma | [22:41:41] [LD] [Wodkasju]: /w |
| 19:42.15 | mikma | [22:41:46] [Wodkasju] says: /w |
| 19:42.18 | mikma | hehehe, fail much? |
| 19:42.39 | tekkub | Dewin: yes it is, but that's not what he said he wants it for |
| 19:42.44 | Dewin | I know |
| 19:42.50 | Dewin | But it so happens I'll be using it :) |
| 19:43.48 | Aelobin | i r not coding haxx =o |
| 19:43.53 | Aelobin | i'm actually coding anti-haxx :P |
| 19:44.42 | Dewin | If you're trying to counter someone sending arbitrary data over the addon channel, you migh as well give up now |
| 19:45.40 | Aelobin | Dewin: just did it ingame with an EU and USA account |
| 19:45.58 | Aelobin | came out different |
| 19:46.03 | Dewin | How different? |
| 19:46.17 | Dewin | and you're using time(), not GetTime()? |
| 19:46.26 | Aelobin | yup using time() |
| 19:47.19 | Dewin | How different? |
| 19:47.23 | Dewin | (What did you get as results?) |
| 19:47.40 | mikma | .. |
| 19:47.48 | mikma | different like: |
| 19:47.49 | Aelobin | hmmm i think it was 80 seconds difference |
| 19:47.51 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 19:47.54 | mikma | and? |
| 19:47.56 | Aelobin | so yeh |
| 19:48.00 | mikma | that's 1min 20sec |
| 19:48.00 | Aelobin | it works i guess :P |
| 19:48.21 | Dewin | yeah, it probably took 80 seconds between the two time calls :-p |
| 19:48.25 | Aelobin | lol |
| 19:48.58 | mikma | lua> print(os.time()) |
| 19:48.58 | lua_bot | mikma: 1245008844 |
| 19:49.15 | Dewin | 1245008947 here |
| 19:49.16 | Dewin | hmm |
| 19:49.17 | mikma | [22:49:00] time() => 1245008940 |
| 19:49.19 | Dewin | I think my clock is a bit off |
| 19:49.20 | mikma | <2248> <lua_bot> mikma: 1245008844 |
| 19:49.36 | Dewin | or lua_bot's time clock is off |
| 19:49.51 | Aelobin | 104 seconds, like the 80 seconds :P |
| 19:49.54 | mikma | most likely luabot's clock is off |
| 19:50.11 | Aelobin | but all returns should be around that time? :P |
| 19:50.24 | mikma | if they are on correct time, yes. |
| 19:50.35 | Dewin | you never told us why you want to ensure things are within 5 seconds of each other in the first place |
| 19:51.20 | Dagmar | Auction sniping probably |
| 19:52.01 | Aelobin | nope |
| 19:52.28 | Aelobin | the addon's sending out an addon message, and i only want it to be valid within a certain time frame |
| 19:52.42 | Aelobin | so that if that addon message was copied and resent, it wouldnt work after 5 seconds |
| 19:52.48 | Aelobin | although i've altered it to 3 minutes now :P |
| 19:53.04 | mikma | ok? |
| 19:53.11 | mikma | and the use for that is..? |
| 19:53.36 | Dewin | aelobin: If you're worried about duplicate messages, give each message a unique id :) |
| 19:54.36 | Aelobin | mikma: it's a security thing |
| 19:54.45 | mikma | wow, security.. |
| 19:55.30 | Dewin | still a moot point, because anybody who looks at the source of your addon will know how to generate a fake message :) |
| 19:55.55 | mikma | and if you try crypting it, blizz will hunt your ass down |
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| 19:58.48 | Dagmar | lMost people won't bother sending a fake message |
| 19:59.03 | mikma | i bother if the addon sucks balls |
| 19:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I've sent fake messages to KTM back in the day |
| 19:59.35 | Dagmar | I might bother if literally everyone and their brother starts using it, and I can create the illusion of something bizarre happening |
| 19:59.37 | mikma | let's take an example |
| 19:59.39 | mikma | WinterTime |
| 19:59.41 | Dagmar | Like with /page from beta |
| 19:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I made a macro which told it that I had eleventy billion threat and clicked it every so often in BWL |
| 19:59.44 | mikma | i hate the author, i hate the addon :P |
| 19:59.48 | tekkub | I'm sending fake messages to GroupCalendar as we speak :) |
| 19:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Just to agitate our raid leader |
| 19:59.50 | mikma | i would love to mess the addon up too! |
| 19:59.59 | Dagmar | ...wait until someone's eating and type /page Victim That bread you just ate WAS POISONED!" |
| 20:00.27 | mikma | WinterTime makes sure people are not "talking" in the WinterTimeGlobal -channel |
| 20:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It actually got him yelling every now and then |
| 20:00.33 | mikma | sync5th0oi98gj34 |
| 20:00.41 | mikma | this string asks for sync ^^ |
| 20:00.45 | Dagmar | So few people even knew that was possible, they assumed they were jsut seeing a new type of in-game alert |
| 20:01.00 | mikma | if the validation string ain't found, the addon will nag at the users that someone is messing around in the channel |
| 20:01.07 | Dagmar | mikma: What's it do if they *are* talking in that channel? |
| 20:01.11 | Dagmar | Ahh |
| 20:01.12 | Dagmar | Awesome |
| 20:01.47 | Dagmar | Thi swould mean the person who owns the channel would have to be clued enough and paying attention to be able to kick the user causing the chatter to everyone's clients. |
| 20:01.52 | Dagmar | Good stuff that |
| 20:02.15 | mikma | but.. the addon also removes the channel from all of your chatframes |
| 20:02.22 | mikma | you need to enable the channel to see what's going on ^^ |
| 20:02.27 | Dagmar | Exactly. :) |
| 20:02.57 | mikma | because of all the validation string the addon uses i would love to mess people's timers up |
| 20:03.09 | mikma | Wintergrasper Advanced was easier to mess up |
| 20:03.27 | mikma | just send something like '9:99:99 Horde' in WG channel |
| 20:03.27 | Dagmar | Better yet... /2 Chuck Norris MARATHON about to start, /join WinterTimeGlobal. 100G prize to the most original aphorism! |
| 20:03.42 | mikma | then people needing the time will start broadcasting that messed up time to others |
| 20:04.46 | Kaso | How do you toggle FPS? |
| 20:04.51 | mikma | ctrl+r |
| 20:04.56 | Kaso | ty |
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| 20:06.37 | laeg | anyone having trouble with BEQL? |
| 20:06.50 | laeg | seemed to work fine yesterday but now quests in certain zones don't appear on the list |
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| 20:08.02 | AnduinLothar | There should be some sort of LF Arena Team thing... |
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| 20:08.27 | AnduinLothar | specify the classed you're lookign for and they show up in a list |
| 20:10.19 | laeg | AnduinLothar: are you talking to me? |
| 20:10.38 | AnduinLothar | just talking |
| 20:10.57 | AnduinLothar | i dont know what you mean by BEQL |
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| 20:20.09 | laeg | AnduinLothar: bayi's extended questlog |
| 20:21.07 | Dewin | I used it briefly, I've been using Doublewide for a long time now though. |
| 20:22.10 | tekkub | Doublewide >>>> all |
| 20:25.57 | AnduinLothar | I'm usign QuestMods now |
| 20:28.19 | foxlit | There so must be a market for history-book inspired comics. |
| 20:37.37 | Fisker | Anyone here know some stuff about the yogg-saron fight? |
| 20:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, dinner and then a movie or something... |
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| 20:49.36 | Aelobin | is a system message isnt in globalstrings is it hard coded into the client? |
| 20:49.53 | Aelobin | *if |
| 20:55.49 | Kaso | Does anyone know of an addon that displays a Boss' swing timer on melee |
| 20:56.24 | Shefki | Kaso: Would be hard to make such an addon. |
| 20:57.33 | Kaso | Howso? timing the distance between a certain creatures white hits, project forward? |
| 20:57.50 | Stanzilla_ | Fisker: what do you want to know? |
| 20:58.06 | durcyn | Shefki: only really a problem for dual-wield, and you can guesstimate based on hit amounts |
| 20:58.36 | Kaso | im just thinking about healing bosses that have slow, heavy hits |
| 20:58.45 | Shefki | You'd need a database of buffs too. |
| 20:58.46 | Kaso | it might be nice to try and "weave" heals so to speak |
| 20:59.08 | Shefki | Because a lot of mobs have attack speed buffs. |
| 20:59.09 | Kaso | surely you can just have some moving average of past hits? |
| 20:59.23 | Shefki | How would a moving average be useful for what you're saying? |
| 20:59.41 | Shefki | If it's a little fast your heal lands too soon. |
| 21:00.45 | Kaso | moving average would clear out little deviations due to lag, but when a large magnitude change happens it'll change the swing timer with it (ofc the average would introduce some "lag" into it all) |
| 21:01.31 | Shefki | Well if it's so easy then why haven't you written it yet? :P |
| 21:02.05 | Kaso | Well i dont know! perhaps ill take a look and see how viable it is |
| 21:02.17 | Kaso | i think you're right though that the devil will be in the details here |
| 21:02.32 | Kaso | Its easy to put something together, but to get it accurate enough when things start changing might be an issue |
| 21:02.59 | foxlit | And with tanks with ~40% avoidance, big, slow hits are meh anyway. |
| 21:03.06 | Shefki | Kaso: Right... |
| 21:03.32 | Nechckn | Semi-related question, if someone does not mind. Am I correct that only "poison-spec" rogues should dual weild and others should just use 2 handers, when able? |
| 21:04.09 | Pneumatus | rogues using 2h? |
| 21:04.10 | Nechckn | Have tried reading about it, but there are opinions spanning the spectrum of yes to nevah! |
| 21:04.32 | Nechckn | when able... meaning any class that has the option =0 |
| 21:04.55 | Aelobin | so basically all classes but rogue that could use 2h should use 2h? |
| 21:05.03 | Aelobin | actually it's nothing about rogue is it 0.o |
| 21:05.26 | Nechckn | well, it's more a question about weapon speed/dmg, I guess |
| 21:05.39 | Nechckn | So, slow and heavy hitting over fast and light. |
| 21:06.00 | Nechckn | For War, Enh Shaman, and rogues |
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| 21:06.15 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 21:06.59 | Pneumatus | enh shamans used to be 2.6 speed 1h weapons regardless |
| 21:07.10 | Pneumatus | dunno if that still applies |
| 21:07.49 | Greywolf65 | I'm trying to add some functionality to my add-on... looking for in particular the lua to make the edges of the screen flash various colors, but can't seem to find out where to find that. Anyone know how to do this or where I can find out how? |
| 21:07.55 | Codayus | It does. Bliz has said they have no intention of making 2h a viable spec for enh shaman. |
| 21:08.07 | Pneumatus | and fury warriors i think get whatever highest topend 2h they can |
| 21:08.15 | Pneumatus | probably arms as well |
| 21:08.31 | Aelobin | what about titan's grip? |
| 21:08.45 | Nechckn | That, I believe, is the exception |
| 21:08.55 | Codayus | Warriors should, of course, dual wield. |
| 21:09.10 | Pneumatus | unless they are arms |
| 21:09.58 | Codayus | Well, yeah. I believe top PVE DPS is TG/Fury though. |
| 21:09.59 | Nechckn | that's because of the talent for 2h in arms, correct? |
| 21:10.15 | Pneumatus | our fury warr uses Rune Edge/Betrayer of Humanity |
| 21:10.22 | Pneumatus | both 3.4s |
| 21:10.24 | Codayus | Not sure what the stake of DKs is. Last time I was playing my DK, DW was top DPS, but I think that's changed. |
| 21:10.31 | Codayus | s/stake/state |
| 21:10.42 | Pneumatus | DW is gimp for DKs now |
| 21:10.58 | Pneumatus | since they nerfed frost/unholy hybrid for sick howling blast etc |
| 21:11.44 | Pneumatus | arms use 2h due to mortal strike being weapon damage + modifier |
| 21:11.48 | Pneumatus | afaik |
| 21:12.39 | Nechckn | Appreciate the input, that really helps. =) |
| 21:12.44 | Greywolf65 | so nobody knows how to make an edge screen flash effect? |
| 21:12.53 | Pneumatus | check flash+shake in bigwigs? |
| 21:13.16 | Aelobin | does it in omen or DBM too doesnt it? dnno which |
| 21:13.25 | Nechckn | xperl UF also disables/enables it too, I believe |
| 21:14.09 | Codayus | Nechckn: Not sure why you're looking for this, but one thing to consider is that some classes or specs have a single viable approach and a bunch that are useless, while others have several that may not be the best but are still decent. |
| 21:14.42 | Greywolf65 | yeah I tried looking at other addons but I'm having trouble deciphering them |
| 21:15.01 | Codayus | Quick digging shows a DW DK doing 7.8k DPS to XT-002, which is pretty decent by any measures. :) |
| 21:15.28 | Nechckn | Codayus It's more about leveling them, really. Not so much end-game "best". |
| 21:15.54 | Nechckn | That is covered pretty well, the in-between is where there are conflicting recommendations. |
| 21:16.24 | Codayus | Fair enough. |
| 21:18.34 | Nechckn | Greywolf65 maybe try in WoWAce, someone may be on there that knows off hand. |
| 21:19.02 | Nechckn | there were a couple that did "just that", at least in the past.. lemme see if I can find one. |
| 21:20.37 | Greywolf65 | ok thanks nechckn |
| 21:21.17 | Nechckn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10039-DuugusCritShake.html maybe? |
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| 21:26.02 | Nechckn | That is pretty straight forward, compared to just the enable/disable in others |
| 21:33.55 | laeg | Dewin, tekkub: cool, i'll try doublewide |
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| 21:37.46 | Tem | wewt 450 BS |
| 21:39.22 | Nechckn | laeg Uberquest is pretty decent, too. Doublewide is pretty much the "standard" anymore, though. |
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| 21:58.43 | Dewin | Does WOW's Lua implementation not support varargs or am I just doing it wrong? |
| 21:58.51 | krka | you're doing it wrong |
| 22:00.08 | Dewin | local function foo(...) print(arg[1]) end simply says attempt to index global 'arg' (a nil value) |
| 22:00.22 | Pneumatus | you're doing it wrong |
| 22:00.30 | Cidan | right |
| 22:00.31 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:00.56 | krka | that's deprecated |
| 22:00.58 | Dewin | well everything I'm reading on lua says that's correct, so care to enlighten me? |
| 22:01.01 | Cidan | lua> local arg = {}; print(arg[1]); |
| 22:01.01 | krka | wow uses lua 5.1 style |
| 22:01.01 | lua_bot | Cidan: nil |
| 22:01.04 | Cidan | well |
| 22:01.07 | Cidan | damn |
| 22:01.16 | Cidan | lua> local arg = {};arg[1] = 0; print(arg[1]); |
| 22:01.16 | lua_bot | Cidan: 0 |
| 22:01.22 | Dewin | krka: Which is? I've been on the website and haven't seen it. |
| 22:01.24 | Cidan | xD |
| 22:01.34 | Pneumatus | lua> function f(...) print(...) end; f("foo", "bar") |
| 22:01.34 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: foo, bar |
| 22:02.10 | Cidan | God I love Lua |
| 22:02.12 | Cidan | sigh |
| 22:02.12 | Dewin | Incidentally, that's what I was going to try BEFORE I looked at documentation |
| 22:02.18 | krka | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7.1 |
| 22:02.24 | krka | "The vararg system changed from the pseudo-argument arg with a table with the extra arguments to the vararg expression. (See compile-time option LUA_COMPAT_VARARG in luaconf.h.) " |
| 22:03.00 | krka | i'd be surprised to find usage of "arg" in the lua 5.1 manual |
| 22:04.08 | Dewin | I think it might have been in pil actually |
| 22:04.18 | Dewin | was the results of a google search that I've long since lost |
| 22:04.27 | Cidan | wow I need sleep, I didn't even see vararg, sigh |
| 22:04.55 | Cidan | ~pil |
| 22:04.55 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:05.11 | Cidan | Hm. |
| 22:05.18 | krka | old pil is old :P |
| 22:05.23 | Cidan | No kidding. |
| 22:05.48 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 22:05.48 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 22:06.02 | Dewin | the ... syntax makes more sense than an arbitrary pseudotable anyways ;) |
| 22:06.03 | Cidan | woo, I have 3 copies of that book |
| 22:06.08 | Cidan | xD |
| 22:07.04 | Aelobin | wish you could edit the UI on the character select screen, i'd edit the "Randomise" to "Choose Most Ugly" |
| 22:07.14 | Aelobin | gogo bald troll >_< |
| 22:07.19 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:08.39 | Tem | krka, old or not, it's still a great starting point for learning lua |
| 22:08.41 | Dewin | considering how many times I've heard people complain about clipping issues with troll hair, it might also be "Choose Least Buggy" |
| 22:08.55 | Tem | especially considering how it's free |
| 22:11.19 | Tem | Cidan, back in the day, you could |
| 22:11.29 | Tem | there were addons that remembered your user/pass |
| 22:11.44 | Cidan | I remember. |
| 22:12.15 | Tem | it was just shortly after that that they broke overriding FrameXML as well |
| 22:12.26 | Tem | though that was to fix a secure execution security hole |
| 22:13.33 | Tem | I don't remember exactly how, but you could get your code executed securely by overriding a template and the base ui used |
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| 22:19.26 | Dewin | assert() is supposed to help debugging, not hinder it. Oops. |
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| 23:11.55 | Dewin | Is there any difference, performance-wise, between using pairs() and ipairs() when I know all the indices are numeric? |
| 23:12.14 | Dewin | My gut instinct wants to tell me pairs() would be slightly faster (since I don't care about the keys especially) |
| 23:12.20 | cbreak | pairs has no ordering guarantee |
| 23:12.34 | cbreak | pairs returns the keys and values just as ipairs |
| 23:12.37 | alestane | If all the indices of interest are positive integers, ipairs will guarantee order and generally go faster. |
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| 23:13.09 | alestane | Sicne Lua internally handles array indices differently from general mappings. |
| 23:13.35 | Dewin | Ordering is uninmportant |
| 23:14.01 | theorbtwo | If you care about speed for this sort of thing, benchmark. |
| 23:14.07 | Dewin | though, considering the table will have at most 3 members I doubt there'll really be a difference. |
| 23:14.21 | alestane | Not worth worrying about. |
| 23:14.26 | Cide | unless you have thousands of entries or are doing it every frame, don't. worry. |
| 23:14.50 | theorbtwo | If it's not worth benchmarking, that means you don't really care about speed, which you almost certianly shouldn't. |
| 23:15.20 | alestane | But when you're only concerned with array entries, ipairs doesn't imply any performance hit AFAIK, because those entries are stored in order anyway. |
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| 23:24.58 | dardack | is there a way to add another binding based on the class of the character? |
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| 23:25.14 | cbreak | key binding? yes. |
| 23:25.21 | cbreak | per character bindings can be enabled in the UI |
| 23:25.29 | theorbtwo | !api binding |
| 23:25.29 | lua_bot | Found 22 possible matches for 'binding'. Please be more specific |
| 23:25.31 | cbreak | just check the checkbox |
| 23:25.57 | theorbtwo | You could also check your character class in an addon, and add a binding if and only if you are of the correct class. |
| 23:26.12 | dardack | hmmm, what i mean is in my mod can i check if it's a druid/shaman and add a 3rd binding to my addon, right now there are only 2 |
| 23:26.20 | dardack | that's what i meant theorbtwo |
| 23:26.38 | dardack | but i add bindings in the bindings.xml file, you can do it in straight LUA? |
| 23:26.45 | krka | dardack: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? ;-) |
| 23:26.50 | dardack | sorry |
| 23:26.50 | theorbtwo | dardack: Well, publish a third thing to bind to that's just a NOP if you aren't a druid/shaman. |
| 23:26.58 | dardack | NOP? |
| 23:27.08 | theorbtwo | Null operation. Does nothing. |
| 23:27.11 | cbreak | you can add an empty function as handler |
| 23:27.15 | dardack | oh yea i could do that |
| 23:27.19 | cbreak | or nil, if the caller checks for that |
| 23:27.23 | dardack | send a message saying you aren't a druid/shaman |
| 23:27.28 | dardack | cool thanks |
| 23:27.47 | theorbtwo | shauid? druman? |
| 23:28.25 | theorbtwo | Gotta be a shauid. Mana is life! |
| 23:28.27 | dardack | now is the player's class a global varaible? |
| 23:28.32 | theorbtwo | The mana must flow. |
| 23:28.33 | cbreak | no |
| 23:28.43 | cbreak | (eeew! globals!) |
| 23:28.47 | cbreak | use the accessors |
| 23:28.52 | cbreak | UnitClass() |
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| 23:29.29 | cbreak | (make sure to read the docs on the second return value) |
| 23:29.48 | cbreak | and be aware that the info might not be available at addon load time |
| 23:29.49 | Tem | !api UnitClass |
| 23:29.49 | lua_bot | UnitClass: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClass) |
| 23:32.23 | theorbtwo | Hm, odd. I would have thought that'd be available from the very beginning. |
| 23:34.25 | cbreak | not realy |
| 23:34.37 | cbreak | at the beginning, the client doesn't know who you are, what your name is, what your class is |
| 23:34.44 | cbreak | that all is loaded during login |
| 23:35.19 | cbreak | might be available at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD or PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 23:35.54 | theorbtwo | But the login screen shows name, race, gender, and your equipment, and addons aren't loaded until after that, are they? (I should certianly think not, because the addon config button is on that same screen). |
| 23:36.42 | Arrowmaster | name race and class are all available as soon as the file starts loading |
| 23:37.05 | Fisker | in the mountains |
| 23:37.07 | cbreak | I had problems with it |
| 23:37.13 | Fisker | were you in the mountains? |
| 23:38.53 | Tem | Fisker, that's my favorite part of the thorim encounter |
| 23:39.30 | Fisker | same here |
| 23:39.44 | Fisker | Closely followed by "I remember you" |
| 23:39.45 | Fisker | :3 |
| 23:39.47 | Tem | well, that and when sif turns into a tentacle |
| 23:40.12 | Fisker | i require sleep though |
| 23:40.36 | squidbear | Does anyone know how to update (when health/power changes) the default GameTooltip? I can only figure out how to update a custom made tooltip (by using tooltip:Show(); however this does not work for the default GameTooltip). :S |
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