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| 00:07.54 | Thunder_Child | nifty, i can use parallels on windows again |
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| 00:10.50 | Bruners | how can i open minion when nokia application launcher fucks it up ? |
| 00:11.12 | kd3 | reinstall java? |
| 00:12.34 | *** part/#wowuidev Cidan (i=feh@conspiracy/developer/Cidan) |
| 00:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Open notepad |
| 00:12.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Add two lines |
| 00:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | @echo off |
| 00:12.42 | Repo | off |
| 00:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | java -jar minion.jar |
| 00:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Save it as "launch.bat" as type "all files" |
| 00:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Then double-click that |
| 00:13.06 | Bruners | thats what i was looking for |
| 00:18.03 | Kraps | op warlocks >:( |
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| 00:25.19 | Kraps | Are arena matches realm wide or BG wide? |
| 00:25.25 | Shirik | BG |
| 00:25.27 | kd3 | bg |
| 00:25.30 | Shirik | wins |
| 00:25.37 | Shirik | with correct capitalization too! |
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| 00:27.59 | Kraps | later |
| 00:30.18 | kd3 | http://notalwaysright.com/jurassic-farce/1816 |
| 00:30.24 | kd3 | if only I could get away with a stunt like that |
| 00:34.52 | Cidan | yawns. |
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| 00:35.07 | Cidan | I should have setup this irc bnc ages ago. |
| 00:35.42 | sp0ckk | i love bnc's |
| 00:35.48 | sp0ckk | they're grrrrrreat! |
| 00:36.09 | Cidan | yeah, I used to use one something like 10 years ago; I had been SSHing into a box and using irssi on a screen |
| 00:36.18 | Cidan | but I figure, I may as well use a bnc + ssl |
| 00:37.09 | NeoTron | what is bnc? |
| 00:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | irc tool |
| 00:37.34 | Cidan | It's a program you run on a server, it let's you "bounce" your connection from your computer, to the server, to the irc server |
| 00:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | acts as a proxy |
| 00:37.38 | Cidan | pretty much. |
| 00:37.49 | NeoTron | ah |
| 00:37.56 | Cidan | Only it allows for neat features, for example, if I close my client now, I'll still stay logged onto IRC |
| 00:37.58 | NeoTron | I just... run irssi in a screen.. incidently |
| 00:38.08 | Cidan | Yeah, that's what I used to do. |
| 00:38.15 | Shirik | spies a Cidan |
| 00:38.20 | Cidan | ducks. |
| 00:38.23 | Cidan | Hi, xD |
| 00:38.30 | Shirik | Visual contact lost |
| 00:38.41 | Shirik | Exceptional procedures initiated |
| 00:39.50 | Cidan | D: |
| 00:40.10 | Lopeppeppy | stalks Cidan. |
| 00:40.16 | Cidan | :D! |
| 00:40.26 | Cidan | Now this, I can get into |
| 00:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | See? Exceptional procedures always work. |
| 00:40.52 | Cidan | Indeed. |
| 00:40.55 | Cidan | So, what's up? |
| 00:41.01 | Cidan | How's WoW doing? |
| 00:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | It goeth, it goeth. |
| 00:41.57 | Cidan | I suppose someday I'll pick it back up |
| 00:42.33 | Shirik | I'm too busy crashing airplanes into the ground |
| 00:42.47 | kd3 | fun |
| 00:42.49 | Cidan | Airplanes? |
| 00:43.18 | Cidan | Also, if anyone here uses OS X, I suggest you install Colloquy, an IRC client, and set your theme to "Novel" |
| 00:43.35 | Cidan | This is the most fun I've ever had in IRC. |
| 00:43.37 | Shirik | Also, if anyone here uses OS X, I suggest you run the command "sudo rm -rf /" |
| 00:43.49 | Cidan | Oh hush you |
| 00:43.52 | Cidan | OS X is amazing. |
| 00:44.03 | Shirik | well I've only encountered problems with it |
| 00:44.03 | Lopeppeppy | Cidan, what airplanes are you crashing today? |
| 00:44.08 | Cidan | I've never used a more solid OS. |
| 00:44.21 | Shirik | maybe |
| 00:44.28 | Shirik | and then they're all like "lolol we can make our own JVM!" |
| 00:44.31 | NeoTron | Cidan: down the drain! |
| 00:44.37 | Shirik | and then add all these "extensions" |
| 00:44.39 | Cidan | Nonsense! |
| 00:44.53 | Shirik | nonsense? |
| 00:45.01 | Shirik | Why do I have a bug report open with apple right now regarding one of them |
| 00:45.36 | Cidan | I... do not know. Actually, I've never run into any issues using their JVM, but then again, I don't use it much. |
| 00:45.44 | Shirik | Well see the thing is |
| 00:45.45 | Cidan | I will tell you though, I have slightly fallen in love with Objective-C |
| 00:45.49 | Cidan | minus the syntax. |
| 00:45.57 | Shirik | they only seem to pay attention to the well-used stuff |
| 00:46.04 | Shirik | nobody uses SecurityManager these days, so they kinda ignored it |
| 00:46.12 | Shirik | that's my justification of it at least |
| 00:47.23 | Shirik | I also love their "documentation" |
| 00:47.34 | kd3 | apple? document? |
| 00:47.35 | Shirik | They added all of these new types of security permissions, which is totally legal, and I expect it |
| 00:47.43 | Shirik | But their documentation doesn't say a word about it |
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| 00:47.48 | Shirik | they have a list of all the different types of permissions |
| 00:47.52 | Shirik | and it's just a copy of Sun's |
| 00:48.15 | Shirik | and since I deny any permissions I don't expect, this leads to bad things |
| 00:51.35 | Cidan | Why are you using Java anyway? |
| 00:51.53 | kd3 | because he isn't dealing with enough pain in his life |
| 00:51.58 | Cidan | Indeed. |
| 00:53.34 | Cidan | Right well, off to try the new DotA |
| 00:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | *pouts* |
| 00:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | But have fun! |
| 00:56.21 | Thunder_Child | is there a way to macro the removal of a buff? |
| 00:56.40 | kd3 | isn't it /cancelaura? |
| 00:56.45 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.58 | Thunder_Child | right then, thanks |
| 00:58.54 | airtonix | haste : self:Tag(name, '[name( )][leader( )][offline( )][afk( )]|cff00ffff[(- )assistname( )][assisticon]') |
| 00:59.12 | airtonix | haste : whats the purpose of using the paranthesis in the tag names? |
| 00:59.54 | airtonix | haste : is it to include text only if the tag returns data other than nil? |
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| 01:40.36 | Jamash | zomg level 20 mounts |
| 01:40.42 | sp0ckk | ? |
| 01:40.47 | Jamash | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730154175&sid=1 |
| 01:40.48 | sp0ckk | you get a mount at level 20? |
| 01:41.01 | Jamash | in the next content patch |
| 01:41.04 | kd3 | they dropped it again? |
| 01:41.08 | Jamash | yep |
| 01:41.15 | kd3 | ! |
| 01:41.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh FFS |
| 01:41.31 | kd3 | oh what the hell. they're letting faction discounts apply to flying mounts |
| 01:41.31 | Wobin | crazy |
| 01:41.33 | sp0ckk | good or bad thing? /DISCUSS! |
| 01:41.36 | Wobin | good |
| 01:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | Why don't I get f'ing training wheels when I roll? |
| 01:41.40 | Thunder_Child | good |
| 01:41.40 | Jamash | good++ |
| 01:41.47 | sp0ckk | yay! i agree! |
| 01:41.48 | Wobin | cause god knows I've been grinding cash for stupid epic flying |
| 01:41.54 | sp0ckk | shall we group hug++? |
| 01:42.01 | Thunder_Child | i hope it happens before i hit 80 with my new char |
| 01:42.04 | kd3 | still can't figure out how people don't have the money |
| 01:42.11 | Wobin | kd3: alts |
| 01:42.11 | sp0ckk | kd3, yeah |
| 01:42.15 | Wobin | too many alts |
| 01:42.16 | sp0ckk | kd3, very easy to make G at 80 |
| 01:42.38 | Wobin | and grinding inscription and jewelcrafting totally wasted my epic flying fund |
| 01:42.42 | Wobin | along with dual spec |
| 01:42.45 | kd3 | bought his epic mount in 2.0.6 or so... currently sitting on like 30k gold |
| 01:42.49 | ajmitch | flying mounts at 60, that'll be fun |
| 01:42.50 | Jamash | ah, professions, where gold goes to die |
| 01:43.02 | Wobin | kd3: epic -mount- singular? |
| 01:43.12 | Lopeppeppy | makes a deal with kd3. Rawr. |
| 01:43.16 | kd3 | I've got 3 80s |
| 01:43.31 | kd3 | they've all had epic flying forever |
| 01:43.47 | Wobin | how many of them were 70 at wotlk release? |
| 01:43.54 | kd3 | 3 |
| 01:44.02 | Wobin | there you go =P |
| 01:44.04 | Wobin | I had 0 |
| 01:44.08 | Wobin | and working on my third 80 |
| 01:44.08 | kd3 | still has not rolled a dk post-beta |
| 01:44.26 | Wobin | so yeah, not as much time to get funds |
| 01:44.34 | Jamash | I'm theoretically working on getting two characters from 70 to 80 |
| 01:44.51 | Jamash | which in practice means I got them to 72 and went "meh" |
| 01:45.02 | Wobin | Jamash: offspec |
| 01:45.13 | Wobin | it makes it more challenging and interesting, I find |
| 01:45.25 | Jamash | I have one 80 and I'm mostly working on him |
| 01:46.09 | kd3 | oh wow... how time flies |
| 01:46.18 | kd3 | the original napster is 10 years old this month |
| 01:47.49 | Jamash | in my day sonny we downloaded wav files at 14.4 kbps there were none of these fourier-transformed psychoacoustically encoded music formats |
| 01:48.12 | Jamash | also get off my lawn |
| 01:53.08 | Aelobin | can you have more than 1 stormjewel socketted in separate gear if those pieces of gear aren't on at the same time? |
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| 01:53.25 | Aelobin | it's saying i can't buy one off the AH only because i already have one in my inventory |
| 01:53.50 | Legorol | doesn't understand why alts take money |
| 01:53.56 | Legorol | I find they *make* money for me |
| 01:54.01 | Jamash | are they tagged unique or unique-equipped? |
| 01:54.05 | Legorol | It's only thanks to alts that I have JC, inscription, enchanting and BS :) |
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| 01:54.39 | Aelobin | unique-equipped |
| 01:54.44 | Jamash | that's weird |
| 01:54.47 | Aelobin | which is strange why it wont let me even hold 2 in my inventory |
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| 02:31.52 | durcyn | hm, anyone tried adding a non-wow game to a blizzard account lately? it's just sitting at the locale selection, on about 5 different browsers :( |
| 02:34.37 | Thunder_Child | not lately...but it has worked |
| 02:36.10 | Thunder_Child | it is nice that i can toss all my disks if i want to now |
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| 02:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | enable javascript |
| 02:40.53 | Vonhinten | Did they change Mimiron lately... melee is getting hit by Napalm now |
| 02:40.55 | durcyn | it is. firefox, ie, safari, arora, opera, nothing works correctly, blah |
| 02:41.08 | Vonhinten | I've never seen melee get hit by Napalm before |
| 02:45.46 | Thunder_Child | it used to always hit mele |
| 02:45.53 | Thunder_Child | they changed it to hit it less |
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| 02:58.59 | Wobin | ugh |
| 02:59.19 | Wobin | I hate having to use numbers to make unique email addresses |
| 02:59.23 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=64129 or http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=63543 ? |
| 03:00.14 | Wobin | latter |
| 03:00.42 | Wobin | although B&S is good for tank healing when there's a need for mobility |
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| 03:03.20 | smoke_ | are there any addons that make raid icon easier? |
| 03:03.28 | smoke_ | i see a mouse over one that's the best it gets? |
| 03:03.47 | kd3 | A telepathic one would be nice, but I dunno if that's exactly possible |
| 03:04.23 | Torhal | kd3: Neural net, man. Sheesh. |
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| 03:08.14 | Shirik|Ghost2 | hrm |
| 03:08.18 | Shirik|Ghost2 | connecting to my VPN results in loss of network :( |
| 03:08.20 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik|Ghost2] by ChanServ |
| 03:08.28 | kd3 | cripes... your connection's worse than mine is |
| 03:08.35 | kd3 | I'm shocked that's even possible |
| 03:08.40 | Shirik | no I'm just trying to fix VPN |
| 03:08.47 | Shirik | so I can connect to work :/ |
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| 03:10.22 | Shirik|Ghost2 | yay |
| 03:10.25 | Shirik|Ghost2 | I think I finally got it |
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| 03:11.17 | Ackis | Shirik: how do I copy movies/pics from my blackberry? |
| 03:14.02 | Shirik | I duno |
| 03:14.08 | Shirik | I use my blackberry for, I dunno, work |
| 03:15.42 | Ackis | I took a video of my kitty cat and it's cute and I need to upload it |
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| 03:16.02 | kd3 | email it to yourself? |
| 03:16.46 | Shirik | blackberry can do video? |
| 03:16.52 | Ackis | aye |
| 03:18.27 | Cide | wow, SOMEONE is clueless |
| 03:18.57 | Ackis | me? |
| 03:19.18 | Cide | well, I'm glad you're volunteering, but I was thinking of "<Shirik> blackberry can do video?" |
| 03:19.39 | Ackis | i'm in the middle of a raid :P |
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| 03:23.39 | Tem | omfg splitting a guild bank is a pain in the ass |
| 03:24.12 | Shirik | I'll show you my guild bank |
| 03:24.32 | Thunder_Child | amazing how you can make that sound so dirty |
| 03:29.12 | Nechckn | lol, agreed, Thunder_Child |
| 03:29.39 | Nechckn | by the way... did you need something? I think you pinged me yesterday or so... |
| 03:29.48 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:29.52 | Shirik | I always need you |
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| 03:29.58 | Nechckn | not you, Shirik |
| 03:30.07 | Nechckn | you dirty girl |
| 03:31.22 | Fisker- | Cost: 5,000 gold (faction discounts now apply) |
| 03:31.28 | Fisker- | Where's my money? |
| 03:31.37 | Thunder_Child | in their hands |
| 03:31.38 | Fisker- | First you take my battle bot and now my money? |
| 03:31.40 | Shirik | Inflation adjustments requested |
| 03:31.44 | Fisker- | Where's my money bitch? |
| 03:31.45 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 03:32.18 | Thunder_Child | though what i would like to know is *who's* faction |
| 03:32.20 | Fisker- | 1,5 cast time on mounts = terrible terrible world pvp change |
| 03:33.16 | Fisker- | Blizzard is wearing baby shoes |
| 03:33.17 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 03:34.00 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 03:34.03 | Shirik | 1.5 sec? |
| 03:34.09 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 03:34.13 | Shirik | wtf' |
| 03:34.21 | Hirsute | What was it before? |
| 03:34.25 | Fisker- | 3 seconds |
| 03:34.25 | kd3 | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/17730154175-upcoming-mount-changes.html |
| 03:34.26 | kd3 | 3s |
| 03:34.30 | Hirsute | Huh |
| 03:34.37 | Shirik | paladin haste? |
| 03:34.42 | Hirsute | Well, being a non-PvPer, I approve of this change. |
| 03:34.44 | Fisker- | you also get 60% mount at 20, 100% mount at 40, flying mount at 60% |
| 03:34.46 | Fisker- | 60* |
| 03:34.56 | Thunder_Child | what about pally haste? |
| 03:35.26 | Fisker- | what about it? |
| 03:35.46 | Thunder_Child | "@Shirik: paladin haste?" <-- |
| 03:36.00 | Shirik | well if mounts are 3s |
| 03:36.03 | Shirik | and I have 50% haste |
| 03:36.06 | Hirsute | Wow, those are some big cost changes |
| 03:36.06 | Shirik | yay for 1.5s mount? |
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| 03:36.14 | durcyn | mounts aren't affected by haste |
| 03:36.19 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 03:36.21 | dardack_ | WTB refund on new mount changes |
| 03:36.30 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:36.38 | durcyn | paladin and warlock mounts used to be, but they took a nerfbat in the face |
| 03:36.39 | Fisker- | WTB MY MONEY BACK |
| 03:36.42 | Fisker- | also my freaking pet |
| 03:36.55 | Thunder_Child | you get all of the bad things with your mount as a spell and none of the good things |
| 03:36.59 | dardack_ | and i just bought 12 mounts today that will now be 100g instead of 200 |
| 03:37.00 | Shirik | they aren't? |
| 03:37.02 | Shirik | Are you sure? |
| 03:37.11 | Hirsute | Meh, money spent is money spent. |
| 03:37.16 | Fisker- | if they were people would be QQ'ing |
| 03:37.18 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i am using one right now |
| 03:38.08 | dardack_ | sigh 4 toons with epic now with discount is 4k i coulda saved, oh well c'est la vie |
| 03:38.32 | Thunder_Child | again...whos faction? |
| 03:38.47 | kd3 | HH/Thrallmar? |
| 03:39.24 | tekkub | *sigh* my guild is lead by retards |
| 03:39.40 | tekkub | they just removed all raids from the calendar and decided GroupCalendar is mandatory |
| 03:40.02 | tekkub | ... when the newest GC USES the default calendar |
| 03:40.23 | Shirik | hugs tekkub |
| 03:40.29 | kd3 | this is where I point and laugh |
| 03:40.38 | tekkub | I'm just glad I'm a healer, I can just show up at raid time |
| 03:40.52 | Hirsute | They made Group Calendar mandatory? |
| 03:41.06 | tekkub | yes |
| 03:41.21 | tekkub | and as far as I can tell, but they never said it, they're making the OLD version mandatory |
| 03:41.28 | Hirsute | Of all the addons to make mandatory, making that one mandatory seems about as retarded as making a wintergrasp timer addon mandatory. |
| 03:41.47 | tekkub | exactly, especially when you consider how the latest version works |
| 03:42.05 | tekkub | if the raid lead wants to use it, great, but for people that just need to sign up? |
| 03:42.16 | Fisker- | laughs at tekkub |
| 03:42.29 | End | oh god, this orange juice is really pulpy |
| 03:42.34 | End | it's like drinking a goddamn orange |
| 03:42.42 | dardack_ | sigh i just bought all the netherwing/SMV gryphons today |
| 03:42.49 | tekkub | pulpy orange juice is worse than unnecessary mandatory addons |
| 03:43.02 | End | I like moderately pulpy orange juice |
| 03:43.17 | End | unfortunately you can only have it in extremes, apparently |
| 03:43.39 | tekkub | I hate pulp |
| 03:43.57 | Thunder_Child | i luve teh pulp |
| 03:44.02 | tekkub | if I wants bits of crap in my drink.. uh... I don't know what I'd put in it but it'd be something good |
| 03:44.23 | Thunder_Child | bears |
| 03:44.30 | Thunder_Child | you but small bears in your drink |
| 03:44.34 | tekkub | fur in drinks is NOT good |
| 03:44.42 | Thunder_Child | ...shaved bears? |
| 03:44.44 | End | you've never tried it |
| 03:44.48 | tekkub | that's not good either |
| 03:45.03 | End | man |
| 03:45.08 | End | I started laughing my ass off |
| 03:45.12 | End | hard to raid |
| 03:45.59 | Hirsute | Yay for incoming mount changes. |
| 03:47.08 | Thunder_Child | somehow i doubt i can find an image of small shaved bears swiming in a glass of something w/o PS'ing it myself |
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| 03:51.25 | Shriikj | sigh |
| 03:51.37 | Shriikj | (20:51:07)  -⺠(brown.freenode.net) *** Notice -- Too many nick changes; wait 16 seconds before trying again |
| 03:52.52 | Hirsute | Identifying on all your grouped nicks? |
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| 03:54.35 | cogwheel | hugs his keyboard |
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| 03:59.56 | NightHawkTheSan1 | hugs cogwheel's keyboard |
| 04:00.13 | Ackis | Cairenn, Seerah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYBhcGtk7SI :D |
| 04:01.21 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 04:01.42 | Ackis | the one getting disturbed is cloud, the one doing the disturbing is indy :d |
| 04:02.15 | Seerah | caught that :) very cute |
| 04:02.53 | Cairenn | lol, cute |
| 04:04.56 | Fisker- | fuck you Ackis |
| 04:06.11 | tekkub | Ah geniuses.... "will you delete my account because none of your javascript works, not even the account delete" ... |
| 04:06.19 | tekkub | doesn't give user name |
| 04:06.23 | tekkub | is using IE6 |
| 04:07.07 | tekkub | I'll delete something alright... |
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| 04:17.23 | kd3 | still grrs at work's intranet demanding ie6 |
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| 04:20.10 | End | kd3's work is silly |
| 04:22.21 | Fisker- | grrs at kd3 |
| 04:23.27 | cogwheel | my work is sillier... they made me supreme ruler of all things technology >:D |
| 04:24.27 | NightHawkTheSan1 | blinks |
| 04:26.21 | Fisker- | farts in NightHawkTheSan1's face |
| 04:26.54 | End | ~lart Fisker- |
| 04:26.54 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Fisker- |
| 04:27.18 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=17730154175&ST=US-2677377-QvmW2BHCpozyKbG1W70OhGmfWJ70gKBEZYS wow |
| 04:27.46 | Fisker- | nice |
| 04:28.33 | kd3 | eesh, that thread capped out pretty quick |
| 04:30.09 | Fisker- | i capped you pretty quick |
| 04:30.57 | BWMerlin | dam i just brought my epic land mount |
| 04:31.11 | BWMerlin | but i can now buy flyer mount on my dk and druid |
| 04:32.42 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:32.44 | Wobin | The Twitpocalypse is similar to the Y2K bug. Very soon the unique identifier associated to each tweet will exceed 2,147,483,6471 |
| 04:32.44 | Wobin | For some of your favorite third-party Twitter services not designed to handle such a case, the sequence will suddenly turn into negative numbers. At this point, they are very likely to malfunction or crash. |
| 04:33.42 | Fisker- | sounds like carepocalypse |
| 04:35.19 | Fisker- | burn |
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| 04:40.41 | Cide | inc spam |
| 04:40.42 | Cide | <Cide> if a buff/debuff does something, should the hard numbers be displayed in the tooltip or not? |
| 04:40.43 | Cide | <Cide> "Your armor is greatly reduced." versus "Your armor is reduced by 50%." |
| 04:40.43 | Cide | <Cide> go |
| 04:41.11 | kd3 | 50% |
| 04:41.51 | Fisker- | 50 cent |
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| 04:48.03 | Kraps | JAY Z! |
| 04:57.07 | Kraps | omg 4g mounts at lvl 20 CATERING TO CASUALS!!!111111 |
| 04:57.57 | Spellbinder | ? |
| 04:58.08 | Kraps | you didnt hear? |
| 04:58.14 | Spellbinder | no |
| 04:58.24 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730154175&sid=1 |
| 04:58.54 | NightHawkTheSan1 | mount skills have been reduced in level (in general), and some of them were made cheaper |
| 04:59.06 | Corrodias | wow @ low level mounts |
| 04:59.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i'm just glad they finally "fixed" expert riding so it's not a setback when flying |
| 04:59.08 | Spellbinder | sweet |
| 04:59.20 | Corrodias | it's as if they want levelling to be fun |
| 04:59.22 | Corrodias | :V |
| 04:59.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Corrodias: that's crazy talk. |
| 04:59.35 | Spellbinder | :) |
| 04:59.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | clearly, they want everyone to just pop into existince at level 70 |
| 04:59.46 | Corrodias | blizzard seems to be learning... |
| 04:59.48 | ZorbaTHut | whoa flyer at lv60 |
| 05:00.00 | Kraps | "and its loosing the spark that made it fun" cuz half hour runs were fun... |
| 05:00.02 | Corrodias | oh? that's a surprise, i'll admit |
| 05:00.36 | Kraps | then theres all the I WANT MAH REFUND folks |
| 05:00.39 | ZorbaTHut | haha @ post 18 in that thread |
| 05:01.28 | Hirsute | And the "Blizz has finally caved to the casuals" twits, too. |
| 05:01.31 | cogwheel | ZorbaTHut: that's why i went to eve ;) |
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| 05:01.56 | ZorbaTHut | when I was a kid, we didn't have mounts |
| 05:01.58 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Hirsute: those are the most amusing responses, imo. because it's clearly the casuasls leveling their 6th alt from 1-80 >.> |
| 05:02.01 | ZorbaTHut | we had to walk from questpoint to questpoint |
| 05:02.12 | Corrodias | blizzard has caved to the people who have fun in normal ways, rather than the masochists who enjoy a slog? ;D |
| 05:02.17 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSan1: *nod* |
| 05:02.21 | ZorbaTHut | uphill, in the snow, both ways |
| 05:02.41 | Kraps | bah caught me ZorbaTHut |
| 05:02.42 | NightHawkTheSan1 | psh, back in my day they hadn't implemented the 'run' feature, yet. we WALKED everywhere! |
| 05:03.19 | Hirsute | I particularly like Zharym's response to post #18 |
| 05:03.23 | cogwheel | psh back in the day we didn't have quests... we had to grind kills to level |
| 05:03.49 | Hirsute | And all we had to kill were critters |
| 05:04.27 | Nechckn | tough trying for 60 when all you have to kill are lvl 1s. |
| 05:04.58 | Corrodias | you guys got to kill? all we could do was look at the mobs. they hadn't implemented attacking yet. |
| 05:05.17 | cogwheel | heh... you could only level by discovery then? |
| 05:05.31 | ZorbaTHut | you got to look at them? all we could do was read text descriptions of them |
| 05:05.48 | Nechckn | Them thar squirrels had big nuts, too. |
| 05:06.53 | Nechckn | That's after you did the math on the abacus to figure out what they were trying to say from the writing in the sand. |
| 05:07.12 | Hirsute | And the text descriptions were pretty crappy, and involved weird words like "ye" and "thou" |
| 05:07.15 | Nechckn | Then the darn waves would come in and erase it all |
| 05:07.20 | ZorbaTHut | cog, back in the day the only way you could level was to hack the server and set your level higher |
| 05:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | and then the GMs banned you |
| 05:07.33 | ZorbaTHut | games today are just too casual :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
| 05:07.51 | Corrodias | > examine squirrel |
| 05:07.51 | Corrodias | : Squirrel attacks! Squirrel inflicts 5 damage. |
| 05:07.55 | Corrodias | : Thou art dead. |
| 05:07.59 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: But only if you didn't ban the GMs first. |
| 05:08.05 | Hirsute | Corrodias: You win! |
| 05:08.23 | Hirsute | >You're in the dark. |
| 05:08.27 | Hirsute | >Look left |
| 05:08.30 | Corrodias | oh shi- |
| 05:08.33 | Hirsute | >You were eaten by a grue |
| 05:08.43 | ZorbaTHut | > eat grue |
| 05:08.52 | Hirsute | : nom nom nom |
| 05:08.59 | Hirsute | : You have grue poisoning |
| 05:09.09 | Hirsute | : And are being eaten by the grue, from the inside out. |
| 05:09.23 | Nechckn | touche! |
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| 05:10.26 | Hirsute | Time for me to go hit my cot in my yurt. |
| 05:10.36 | Hirsute | Night all. |
| 05:12.19 | Vonhinten | Additional Instances cannot be launched.. at 1am EST.. are you fucking kidding me |
| 05:12.46 | kd3 | it's still prime-time on the left coast |
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| 05:17.19 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 05:20.09 | tekkub | left coast? |
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| 05:23.39 | cogwheel | you know... the one that's going to fall into the sea in 2012 |
| 05:23.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
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| 05:24.15 | Shirik | o.O |
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| 05:25.06 | Shirik | domo arigatou mr. roboto |
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| 05:27.52 | smoke_ | how do i specifc my target for mouseover? |
| 05:28.00 | smoke_ | like UnitExists("mouseover") ? |
| 05:28.44 | cogwheel | like that |
| 05:29.48 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types#unitID |
| 05:29.55 | smoke_ | thank you |
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| 05:47.21 | Fisker- | gives cogwheel a bowl of soup |
| 05:48.28 | cogwheel | sends a sample in for tox screening |
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| 05:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | sample? |
| 05:48.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing is eating through the bowl |
| 05:49.10 | Fisker- | Well actually you forgot about poland |
| 05:49.37 | cogwheel | is that the country that sent a manned mission to the sun at night? |
| 05:51.14 | Fisker- | naw that's norway |
| 05:51.20 | Fisker- | they're so stupid ;_; |
| 05:51.35 | Fisker- | isn't that right haste ? |
| 05:53.48 | Shirik | If I wanted to ssh tunnel HTTP connections, or otherwise proxy/encrypt them somehow |
| 05:53.54 | Shirik | any recommendations on where to start? |
| 05:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | man ssh |
| 05:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.12 | Shirik | ssh can do socks? |
| 05:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 05:57.00 | Fisker- | I disagree |
| 05:57.42 | Shirik | so I need ssh here and remotely |
| 05:58.03 | Shirik | I was wondering how the "encrypted" part of that works :P |
| 05:58.14 | ScytheBlade1 | kind of |
| 05:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | you just need an SSH server |
| 05:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | any SSH client can do the socks stuff |
| 05:58.35 | Fisker- | putty also has an inbuilt option to setup a socks proxy to relay through teh ssh tunnel |
| 05:58.39 | Fisker- | if you use windows |
| 05:58.40 | ScytheBlade1 | (and obvs, you need to trust the server) |
| 05:58.43 | Fisker- | fu ScytheBlade1! |
| 05:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 05:59.02 | Shirik | what I don't trust is my current network :) |
| 05:59.06 | Shirik | that's what I'm trying to avoid |
| 05:59.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you need an SSH server in a place that you trust |
| 05:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | (You have one) |
| 05:59.22 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:59.26 | Fisker- | Only thing that sucks is that you may have to run it through port 80 or 443 |
| 05:59.35 | Fisker- | and some filters can block it if it's not http content ;_; |
| 06:03.55 | Fisker- | omg i'm ripping out your guts Shirik |
| 06:06.06 | Thunder_Child | how come as soon as i press the login button it sats "You have been disconneced from the server"? |
| 06:06.10 | Thunder_Child | says* |
| 06:08.24 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 06:08.25 | purl | ~pong |
| 06:09.09 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i can not connect out through http |
| 06:12.13 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/10/funny-pictures-this-2/ |
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| 06:13.23 | tekkub | http://cocknbull.net/ |
| 06:13.26 | tekkub | best one yet |
| 06:14.45 | TC-Touch | what a surprise that you like it |
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| 06:17.12 | Shirik | hmm |
| 06:17.17 | Shirik | how to confirm that this is really being proxied |
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| 06:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | wireshark |
| 06:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | or, whatismyip.org |
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| 06:28.34 | Shirik | yeah wireshark suggests something... interesting |
| 06:28.40 | Shirik | it seems IE has somehow one-upped google |
| 06:28.50 | Shirik | IE is properly using the proxy, whereas chrome is not |
| 06:28.58 | Shirik | and they use the same place to set proxy |
| 06:29.20 | Shirik | anyway, that was a bit easier than I expected |
| 06:29.25 | Shirik | didn't even need to do anything server-side |
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| 06:33.01 | Thunder_Child | sorry Shirik, but if it is easy you obviously did something wron |
| 06:33.02 | Thunder_Child | g |
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| 06:51.27 | zenzio | hm, new mount changes in 3.2... first one at level 20, flying at 60 :-o |
| 06:52.38 | Fisker- | old |
| 06:52.43 | Fisker- | also fail |
| 06:52.46 | zenzio | I only browser WoW news in the morning |
| 06:52.48 | zenzio | -r |
| 06:53.10 | Fisker- | oh yeah that reminds me |
| 06:53.14 | Fisker- | Your mom was easy Thunder_Child |
| 06:53.17 | Fisker- | and it felt so right |
| 06:53.36 | Thunder_Child | oh Fisker-? i didnt know you are a necropheliac |
| 06:53.53 | Fisker- | for your mom i was willing to change |
| 06:53.54 | Thunder_Child | i should of figured though |
| 06:54.18 | Fisker- | That was your number 1 mistake |
| 06:54.58 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 06:56.08 | Mikk | first mount at _20_? |
| 06:56.13 | Mikk | ok now it's getting a bit silly |
| 06:56.23 | zenzio | Mikk: and epic ground mount at 40 |
| 06:56.24 | Thunder_Child | most people are younger for thir first mount Mikk |
| 06:56.29 | Thunder_Child | their* |
| 06:56.45 | Mikk | then again being able to ride in duskwood |
| 06:56.46 | Mikk | hmmmm |
| 06:56.55 | theorbtwo | Hm. |
| 06:57.05 | Mikk | i take it all back! |
| 06:57.05 | theorbtwo | Riding sometimes makes things too easy. |
| 06:57.39 | Mikk | running from eastern to western duskwood for 5 levels, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, does not exactly add to the game experience :P |
| 06:57.42 | theorbtwo | You can just get on top of your mount, and push straight down to the city or whereever you want to be. |
| 06:58.27 | theorbtwo | mikk: Yeah, but faster mounts for everybody not a great solution to a problem with the design of that one map. |
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| 06:59.09 | Fisker- | 3.3 they'll introduce a new class |
| 06:59.12 | Fisker- | you ARE the mount |
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| 07:05.25 | Cairenn | ROFL! Customer: "Hello, I have a problem. My name is Bob Murton." Tech Support: "I'm sorry, but I can't help you with that problem." |
| 07:05.34 | zenzio | lol |
| 07:07.56 | krka | heh |
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| 07:13.00 | Mikk | hahaha |
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| 07:18.31 | jnwhiteh | i have no idea how much alarm got changed from classical music to whatever I just woke up to |
| 07:18.42 | jnwhiteh | but it was _almost_ country/folk music. |
| 07:18.47 | krka | s/much/my/ ? |
| 07:18.49 | jnwhiteh | not a good way to wake up, hehe :P |
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| 07:18.56 | jnwhiteh | krka: idd |
| 07:19.06 | krka | i never got the idd thing |
| 07:19.34 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: my mobile sometimes reverts to default sounds. It works again after I shut it off and back on, but it's as if it forgets that it has a memory card with my sounds on it |
| 07:19.51 | jnwhiteh | this is a normal alarm clock |
| 07:19.53 | jnwhiteh | krka: "indeed" |
| 07:20.27 | jnwhiteh | i only use it because when I think of the noise someone makes when they make the noise "idd", it sounds like indeed. |
| 07:20.33 | jnwhiteh | and hate myself a little bit for that |
| 07:22.02 | krka | that sentence made no sense to me :/ |
| 07:23.13 | jnwhiteh | if i were to pronounce "idd" |
| 07:23.18 | jnwhiteh | it sounds like "indeed" to me |
| 07:23.24 | jnwhiteh | aq bit |
| 07:28.59 | Fisker- | you |
| 07:36.37 | mikma | iddqd |
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| 07:38.01 | Thunder_Child | people that dont create unique incremented file names to be downloaded fail |
| 07:38.16 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 07:38.40 | mikma | y |
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| 08:05.37 | Fisker- | i am unstoppable |
| 08:05.39 | Fisker- | actually |
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| 08:09.20 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Minion: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24025 | The lady was using a power strip to plug her computer and other devices into. Windows was completely frozen, and she was unable to shut down the machine by using the power button. She mentioned the power strip, so I told her to flip it off. She said, "Ok, I gave it the finger. I fe |
| 08:09.41 | _rane | "Ok, I gave it the finger. I fe |
| 08:10.14 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | The lady was using a power strip to plug her computer and other devices into. Windows was completely frozen, and she was unable to shut down the machine by using the power button. She mentioned the power strip, so I told her to flip it off. She said, "Ok, I gave it the finger. I feel better." |
| 08:10.21 | Cairenn | yeah, I saw :) |
| 08:17.46 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:18.54 | Cairenn | sometimes, flipping off your system really DOES make you feel better ;) |
| 08:19.23 | Mikk | oooh yes |
| 08:19.37 | Mikk | especially when you're working on code that refuses to do you bidding |
| 08:19.43 | Cairenn | nod |
| 08:19.46 | Mikk | instant double flipoff |
| 08:20.34 | mikma | you know, eating a Big Mac also makes you feel better |
| 08:20.57 | Fisker- | tearing into mikma's army makes you feel better too |
| 08:21.46 | mikma | whatever troll |
| 08:22.06 | Fisker- | I'm a blood elf |
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| 08:59.12 | Kalroth | !api battleground |
| 08:59.12 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'battleground': GetNumBattlegroundTypes, UnitInBattleground, RequestBattlegroundInstanceInfo, GetBattlegroundInfo, PLAYER_ENTERING_BATTLEGROUND, CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND_LEADER, CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND |
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| 09:53.00 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKVI2_Dl00Y |
| 09:53.18 | Wobin | >< |
| 09:53.24 | Wobin | LOL together! Right Now! |
| 09:53.26 | Wobin | O M G |
| 09:58.03 | Wobin | he has a good "Hey There Cthulhu" |
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| 11:50.24 | Mystical | what format must .tga have again? 32bit uncompressed? |
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| 11:56.15 | jnwhiteh | Mystical: they can be compressed |
| 11:56.23 | jnwhiteh | its the dimensions that are really the issue |
| 11:56.53 | Mystical | 16x128 and 128x64 should be okay |
| 11:57.02 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 11:57.26 | Mystical | but good to know i can make them compressed too ;) |
| 11:58.38 | zenzio | it's only RLE compression, but it might still help if your pictures contain areas of same color |
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| 11:59.04 | Mystical | bad compression is better than none ;) |
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| 12:00.05 | zenzio | I wouldn't call it bad; it just doesn't always compress as much as other formats |
| 12:00.16 | zenzio | RLE is good in that it's easy to do |
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| 12:07.58 | Cruciformer | hello everyone |
| 12:08.30 | Cruciformer | anyone with admin privs on wowprogramming.com around? |
| 12:08.36 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:08.37 | jnwhiteh | why |
| 12:09.13 | Cruciformer | it aint working. its not sending propper html or something ... I get a bunch of "wiki" stuff at the top before the http headers |
| 12:09.21 | Cruciformer | for example: |
| 12:09.39 | Aelobin | whats the event that fires on game exit or logout? |
| 12:09.46 | Cruciformer | wikishow_login_form |
| 12:09.46 | Cruciformer | wikirss |
| 12:09.46 | Cruciformer | Status: 200 |
| 12:09.47 | Cruciformer | Content-Type: text/html |
| 12:09.47 | Cruciformer | Content-Length: 6984 |
| 12:09.49 | Cruciformer | Set-Cookie: Sputnik_6666cd76f96956469e7be39d750cc7d9=%7C; path=/ |
| 12:09.51 | Cruciformer | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" |
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| 12:09.58 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: well it "works" just fine |
| 12:10.06 | jnwhiteh | ctually |
| 12:10.11 | jnwhiteh | you caught it in the 2 seconds i had the debug code in |
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| 12:10.13 | jnwhiteh | its fine now. |
| 12:10.31 | Cruciformer | yup now it is ... it wasnt a few mins ago |
| 12:10.39 | jnwhiteh | it was up for under a minute |
| 12:10.44 | jnwhiteh | i have the logs to prove it :P |
| 12:11.03 | Cruciformer | lol thats ok I just wanted to let someone know in case apache or whatever was misconfigured |
| 12:11.08 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:11.10 | jnwhiteh | nope, all set |
| 12:11.16 | jnwhiteh | i juat aqdded a print statement |
| 12:11.23 | jnwhiteh | and forgot it served it to the client |
| 12:11.26 | jnwhiteh | but didn't need it anyway |
| 12:11.37 | zenzio | Aelobin: think there's a PLAYER_LOGOUT, or at least PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD (but PLW fires more often) |
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| 12:13.38 | Cruciformer | anyone know if RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE fires when master looter is changed? |
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| 12:25.03 | zenzio | omg hai peppy! |
| 12:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | omg good morning |
| 12:32.49 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: How terse do you like to keep event descriptions on wowprogramming? Should I create an account and add details as I have questions about events and find out the answers? |
| 12:33.32 | jnwhiteh | it will ensure that the documentation is available for people in the future, and that it makes it into the next edition of the book. |
| 12:34.38 | Cruciformer | and do u object to mild criticisms about the website? coz I have 1 :) |
| 12:35.00 | jnwhiteh | go nuts |
| 12:35.03 | jnwhiteh | as long as its constructive |
| 12:35.05 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:35.10 | jnwhiteh | mindless bitching will not be tolerated |
| 12:35.30 | Cruciformer | on teh register page where it asks if you agree to the ToS, clicking that link should open a new window, so that the data I have already entered in teh form isnt lost |
| 12:35.50 | Cruciformer | Im not a mindless bitch kinda bitch :) |
| 12:35.55 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 12:36.16 | Kalroth | isn't allowed to bitch anymore :( |
| 12:36.35 | Cruciformer | Kalroth: you are always allowed to bitch ... just not out loud :) |
| 12:37.13 | Kalroth | mumbles to himself while staring at jnwhiteh. |
| 12:38.45 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: did you click the link, cause it looks liek it goes to the wrong URL :P |
| 12:39.19 | Cruciformer | I did click it and promptly ignored it like I do all ToS coz I dont really have a choice :) |
| 12:39.57 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 12:40.02 | jnwhiteh | well fixed on the website |
| 12:40.02 | Cruciformer | but yeah when I click it I get "The node by this name does not exist, but you can create it. Please pick one of the node types below." |
| 12:40.06 | jnwhiteh | fixing it in sputnik core momentarily |
| 12:41.21 | Cruciformer | I do have one other criticism ... and then I will heap on teh priase coz I have lots of that too :) |
| 12:41.37 | Cruciformer | s/teh priase/the praise/g |
| 12:41.46 | jnwhiteh | whats up |
| 12:42.57 | Cruciformer | using GetitemInfo() as an example ... paramaters/return values like itemloink should be hyperlinks. They are in some places and not in others. |
| 12:43.09 | Cruciformer | Is that something members can edit for you or do you have to do it? |
| 12:43.38 | jnwhiteh | it can be edited, one moment. |
| 12:43.41 | jnwhiteh | i'll show you what i mean |
| 12:45.08 | jnwhiteh | !api GetItemInfo |
| 12:45.12 | lua_bot | GetItemInfo: Returns information about an item, by name, link or id (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo) |
| 12:45.17 | jnwhiteh | i'm lazy |
| 12:45.41 | jnwhiteh | In those cases |
| 12:45.48 | jnwhiteh | you can add an mtype to that argument's table |
| 12:46.40 | jnwhiteh | in that case, mtype = "hyperlink" |
| 12:47.25 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/121601853 |
| 12:47.45 | Cruciformer | man I try an edit there to see if I got it right? |
| 12:48.06 | jnwhiteh | of course |
| 12:48.10 | jnwhiteh | you can use the preview button to actually check |
| 12:48.12 | jnwhiteh | before saving |
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| 12:49.42 | Cruciformer | Just FYI the "preview: doesnt show the arguments, which was what I edited |
| 12:49.53 | jnwhiteh | preview should show the whole page |
| 12:49.55 | jnwhiteh | if not, gimme a second. |
| 12:50.12 | jnwhiteh | yes it does |
| 12:50.34 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c42a6446b3f1a9c7d00fe607c1baedc5.png |
| 12:50.45 | Cruciformer | its not for me. Wondfer if its a Chrome thing. |
| 12:50.53 | jnwhiteh | doubtful |
| 12:50.59 | jnwhiteh | very much so :P |
| 12:51.00 | jnwhiteh | show me what you see |
| 12:51.17 | Cruciformer | one sec will ss and upload |
| 12:51.44 | Cruciformer | how do I ss a window? Shift-Alt-PrntScrn or Ctrl-Alt? |
| 12:51.54 | jnwhiteh | alt-printscreen, no? |
| 12:52.01 | Cruciformer | thats the whole screen |
| 12:52.44 | haste | no it isn't |
| 12:52.51 | haste | alt printscr is the focused window |
| 12:52.59 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 12:53.01 | Cruciformer | k ite Ctrl-Alt-Printscreen does just the focused window |
| 12:53.24 | Cruciformer | haste: Onmy pc alt-printscreen does the entire monitor |
| 12:55.28 | Cruciformer | ah sod it I will have to enable ftp on this new box |
| 12:55.39 | jnwhiteh | just upload it |
| 12:55.42 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com |
| 12:57.01 | Cruciformer | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/cec08319e9c30eaf6e3db96404acf9c3.png |
| 12:58.14 | jnwhiteh | that means you borked the arguments table entirely |
| 12:58.22 | jnwhiteh | you fo0rgot a comma after it |
| 12:58.26 | jnwhiteh | you should have javascript enable |
| 12:58.32 | jnwhiteh | the editor compiles the code foryou |
| 12:58.36 | jnwhiteh | red background == bad |
| 12:58.40 | jnwhiteh | green background == successful compile |
| 13:00.09 | Cruciformer | kk gotcha |
| 13:00.44 | Cruciformer | extremely useful resource btw ... thank you for all of the hard work and effort that has obviously gone into it |
| 13:00.56 | jnwhiteh | no problem, thanks for contributing. |
| 13:00.59 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:01.18 | electric_ | anyone know if you can access a frame in 1 xml file from a frame in another xml file? |
| 13:01.42 | jnwhiteh | if they're named globally, yes. |
| 13:02.04 | electric_ | how would one name it globally? :3 |
| 13:02.14 | jnwhiteh | name="foo" |
| 13:02.24 | electric_ | ah |
| 13:02.26 | electric_ | cheers |
| 13:03.47 | electric_ | hmm i seem to have done that already, yet i keep getting a attempt to index global .. (a nil value) error :/ |
| 13:04.22 | jnwhiteh | you can't do it before the frame is instantiated or loadewd |
| 13:04.25 | jnwhiteh | what precisely are you trying to do |
| 13:05.03 | electric_ | a slider on 1 frame trying to set the scale of another using onValueChanged |
| 13:06.38 | jnwhiteh | yeah there is no issue with this |
| 13:06.41 | jnwhiteh | are you doing this at loadtime? |
| 13:06.57 | jnwhiteh | please give me the exact erro rmessage |
| 13:08.05 | electric_ | [string "Slider_Bat_Scale:OnValeChanged"]:2: attempt to index global 'frostbiteDisplay' (a nil value) |
| 13:08.11 | electric_ | when the addon loads up |
| 13:08.29 | jnwhiteh | OnValueChanged is spelled wrong, but that's minor |
| 13:08.38 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: if I need to reference another mod in a long description of an event, is there a prefered style (like fix width or whatever) I should use or just use the name normally in the sentence? |
| 13:08.39 | jnwhiteh | is Slider_Bat_Scale loading before frostbite display has loaded? |
| 13:08.41 | jnwhiteh | cause that will not work |
| 13:08.42 | electric_ | ah ye that was my typo |
| 13:08.48 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: another mod? |
| 13:08.53 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: not sure what you mean |
| 13:09.04 | Cruciformer | <p>This event does not fire if you set main tanks using mods like CTRA or oRA2. However if you use the standard Blizzard raid frame for setting main tank and main assist, it will fire.</p> |
| 13:09.11 | electric_ | it says OnValueChanged in the error |
| 13:09.23 | jnwhiteh | electric_: my other question still stands |
| 13:09.30 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: you can link to them if you'd like |
| 13:09.31 | jnwhiteh | or just mention them |
| 13:09.42 | jnwhiteh | better to not mention them at all |
| 13:09.53 | jnwhiteh | just say "This event only fires if you use the standard blizzard raid frames, blah blah" |
| 13:09.55 | jnwhiteh | and no <p> |
| 13:09.59 | jnwhiteh | this is not html, its markup |
| 13:10.10 | jnwhiteh | err markdown =) |
| 13:10.18 | BlackNet | so how does plugins know there's a new version available? |
| 13:10.24 | Cruciformer | ah ok coz the short description had <p> ... </p> ... I just assumed |
| 13:10.26 | jnwhiteh | BlackNet: communications over a global channel |
| 13:10.29 | jnwhiteh | or guild./party/raid/etc |
| 13:10.32 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: it shouldn't. |
| 13:10.37 | jnwhiteh | strip it if it does |
| 13:10.42 | jnwhiteh | or tell me which one so i can do it |
| 13:10.42 | Cruciformer | will do |
| 13:10.44 | BlackNet | so there's a special channel in game for that? |
| 13:10.49 | jnwhiteh | no, they join a channel |
| 13:10.57 | jnwhiteh | the equivalent of /join CarboniteChannel |
| 13:11.00 | jnwhiteh | and then communicate over it,. |
| 13:11.19 | BlackNet | oh so that's how it shares data between players in groups |
| 13:11.31 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 13:11.39 | electric_ | im doing the OnValueChanged in the xml scripts bit, jnwhiteh |
| 13:11.55 | jnwhiteh | electric_: My question was.. which frame loads first |
| 13:12.00 | electric_ | oh |
| 13:12.01 | jnwhiteh | If you instantiate the slider before the other frame |
| 13:12.02 | jnwhiteh | it will not work |
| 13:12.06 | electric_ | i see |
| 13:12.08 | electric_ | il check |
| 13:12.08 | jnwhiteh | because it will try to access the other frame |
| 13:13.19 | electric_ | ah the one with the OnValueChanged is loading first |
| 13:13.30 | electric_ | il change it arround |
| 13:13.33 | electric_ | cheers |
| 13:14.09 | electric_ | aha works perfectly now :> |
| 13:14.12 | electric_ | thanks |
| 13:14.20 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:14.22 | jnwhiteh | prob |
| 13:14.33 | Cruciformer | is the correct term "addons" or "add-ons"? |
| 13:14.43 | Legorol | AddOns |
| 13:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | AdDoNs |
| 13:14.53 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 13:14.59 | Cruciformer | I dOnT LIkE miXeDkApS |
| 13:14.59 | Legorol | lol Lopeppeppy |
| 13:15.01 | BlackNet | either would work. all you are doing is getting the point across :) |
| 13:15.11 | Legorol | peppy, are you into the Don-advertisement business? |
| 13:15.30 | Legorol | BlackNet: what works and what's proper syntax are two different things ;) |
| 13:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol dear, why don't we talk about my business in private, in this dark alley over here? *toothy grin* |
| 13:15.35 | Cruciformer | black: but this is something that will ultimately be published and correct grammar is preferable. |
| 13:15.39 | Legorol | "liez" works, but looks retarded |
| 13:15.45 | BlackNet | so call it a plug :) |
| 13:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Cruciformer, I've always gone with addons. |
| 13:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | When in doubt, what does your WoW directory say? :) |
| 13:16.16 | BlackNet | very good point that is |
| 13:16.24 | jnwhiteh | "Addons" |
| 13:16.26 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 13:16.29 | jnwhiteh | "addons" |
| 13:16.29 | Cruciformer | wow folder naming - the final authority on the English Language :) |
| 13:16.36 | jnwhiteh | when referring to it in the API |
| 13:16.38 | BlackNet | it's consitent |
| 13:16.44 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: don't use it in the book |
| 13:16.47 | jnwhiteh | unless its in a header or title :P |
| 13:16.48 | BlackNet | doesn't matter if it's right or wrong as long as it's the same |
| 13:16.51 | jnwhiteh | and by book i mean API |
| 13:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | Cruciformer -- final authority on if it you're writing something WoW related. *shrug* |
| 13:17.18 | jnwhiteh | unless its in my world |
| 13:17.23 | jnwhiteh | in which case we just use addons |
| 13:17.24 | jnwhiteh | when referring to them |
| 13:17.28 | jnwhiteh | and this is in my world :P |
| 13:17.34 | Cruciformer | yup I will thanks. |
| 13:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | brings a life preserver to jnwhiteh's house. |
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| 13:17.49 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't realize it was about your book, jnwhiteh, thought he was doing something on his own. *shrug* |
| 13:17.54 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:18.21 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple! |
| 13:19.33 | BlackNet | doing anything with the new battle bot? |
| 13:21.38 | jnwhiteh | can't, i'm EU |
| 13:22.18 | Cruciformer | I can set you up with a vpn connection through a US server if you like |
| 13:22.27 | jnwhiteh | no, i'm okay |
| 13:23.44 | BlackNet | think they are going by address when you setup the account |
| 13:24.20 | Cruciformer | I have encountered a large number of sites that wont send me content, or completely change their content, if my address is deemed "not from the USA" |
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| 13:24.47 | BlackNet | legal reasons no doubt |
| 13:24.58 | Cruciformer | advertising reasons most of the time |
| 13:25.22 | BlackNet | yea draconic eu laws |
| 13:33.56 | Fisker | bitch |
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| 13:36.10 | P4L | Hi there. |
| 13:36.23 | Mystical | hi |
| 13:36.32 | P4L | I need help :P |
| 13:37.15 | P4L | Is there a way to invoke a SecureHandler on MouseMotion? |
| 13:38.21 | P4L | I fear I've got to layout an invisible framegrid and use OnMouseEnter and OnMouseLeave :x |
| 13:39.09 | Cruciformer | goodness its cold here today :/ |
| 13:39.15 | Mystical | thats a good question ;) i cant tell you, havent tried out that yet. but tell me if it works afterward :P |
| 13:40.31 | P4L | Lets say I'll tell you if it works out ... |
| 13:41.57 | Kaso | whats the error message toggle console comman |
| 13:51.26 | Cruciformer | bbiab |
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| 13:53.31 | haste | Fisker: like how the jace hall show isn't working now :D |
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| 14:00.36 | alestane | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/6/10 This rocks. |
| 14:01.47 | krka | i dont get it :( |
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| 14:04.05 | Lopeppeppy | doesn't think Ackis should sleep |
| 14:04.20 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: are you sure he does? |
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| 14:04.52 | Kaelten | why did I leave :s |
| 14:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | He is not here now. I deduce sleep cycles |
| 14:05.01 | Kaelten | lol |
| 14:05.02 | Lopeppeppy | I scared you, Kaelten? |
| 14:05.05 | Kaelten | dunno |
| 14:05.06 | Kaelten | maybe |
| 14:05.10 | alestane | krka: It's not a joke, really, it's a digression. Read the news article for it, it may make things slightly clearer. |
| 14:05.32 | Kaelten | you are kinda intimidating sometimes |
| 14:05.36 | Kaelten | :D |
| 14:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr |
| 14:06.50 | Lopeppeppy | And stuff. |
| 14:06.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to burn down Facebook HQ if they don't fix the block feature... |
| 14:07.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wait. Omg, did it actually just work! |
| 14:07.31 | Cruciformer | facebook is the internet equivalent of herpes imho. |
| 14:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | If I must use it for work, I must have a way to block undesirables. |
| 14:07.59 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Did you finally find what you were looking for? |
| 14:08.09 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, que? |
| 14:08.34 | alestane | Once upon a time you were looking for a way to not see someone else's comments on your friends' walls. |
| 14:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | Still searching, alestane... but I may have just successfully blocked someone. So maybe I'll unblock the hideous *&^%$ and reblock her! That might work. |
| 14:09.44 | Aelobin | Cruciformer: /agree |
| 14:09.52 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser |
| 14:09.54 | jnwhiteh | still in dev |
| 14:10.00 | jnwhiteh | but will have to do for now. |
| 14:10.09 | Aelobin | i signed up, join the "i hate facebook" group, then never logged in again xD |
| 14:12.11 | Cruciformer | ah man after a good backscratch, a fresh, hot cup of coffee has to be one of life's finer little pleasures. |
| 14:12.17 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/SpellShadow |
| 14:12.20 | jnwhiteh | lulz |
| 14:12.43 | BlackNet | wish we had a way to get the list of vanity pets from a char with out logging in |
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| 14:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | Even if there were an addon that would keep a list across characters, you'd still have to log in at least once per character for it to chart the items. |
| 14:13.44 | Cruciformer | speaking of vanity pets, how cute is that little mini resto druid tree thingy from argent champion. |
| 14:13.54 | Lopeppeppy | dies a little inside |
| 14:14.04 | BlackNet | liek the armory gives rep, items and the like. should also list mounts and vanity pets as well! |
| 14:14.05 | Kaelten | ressurects Lopeppeppy a little. |
| 14:14.30 | Cruciformer | how do u resurect a little? Is that like a kiss on teh cheek versus fullmouth-to-mouth? :) |
| 14:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'll never tell. :) |
| 14:15.22 | Wobin | it's like CPR |
| 14:15.25 | Wobin | but without tongue |
| 14:15.36 | Cruciformer | thats what I was getting at wobin :) |
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| 14:16.33 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:16.43 | Cruciformer | greetings kneeki |
| 14:18.05 | Cruciformer | what is the lowest level, possibly soloable (just 1 boss) raid instance out there? I need to test my raid loot mod and its a bit tough waiting for an actual raid every night. |
| 14:18.18 | jnwhiteh | ~blpbrowser |
| 14:18.19 | purl | blpbrowser is, like, a way to browser Blizzard's Interface Art for World of Warcraft: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser |
| 14:18.20 | jnwhiteh | ~artbrowser |
| 14:18.21 | purl | hmm... artbrowser is a way to browser Blizzard's Interface Art for World of Warcraft: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser |
| 14:18.29 | kneeki | Cruciformer: Ragefire? |
| 14:18.44 | Cruciformer | is that a raid or just a normal instance? |
| 14:18.55 | Cruciformer | and Im alliance if that makes the answer any different |
| 14:18.57 | kneeki | instance |
| 14:19.07 | kneeki | the lowest raid I think, molten core? |
| 14:19.12 | Cruciformer | yeah I need an actual raid |
| 14:19.19 | Lopeppeppy | No, you can raid lower level instances. |
| 14:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | I seem to remember that you can raid even Van Cleef. |
| 14:19.56 | Cruciformer | oh really? Is it possible to reset it too? coz that would rock in a major way. |
| 14:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | You would need to investigate this, but I would imagine... If not, Molten Core isn't much problem for an 80 |
| 14:20.50 | Cruciformer | i never did MC ... or ZG. Would ZG be easier? |
| 14:20.57 | Kaelten | :D |
| 14:21.00 | kneeki | quicker to the first boss |
| 14:21.10 | kneeki | if you know where the boss is =p |
| 14:21.15 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: can you say OneBag3 to help me test my higlighting |
| 14:21.19 | Lopeppeppy | You could skip a lot of trash in either area. |
| 14:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | OneBag3 |
| 14:21.31 | Kaelten | damnit |
| 14:22.05 | Cruciformer | speaking of OB3, does that now have onering, onebank and oneview (or whatever the thing was called)? |
| 14:22.34 | Kaelten | ring and bank are out |
| 14:22.46 | Cruciformer | coz id rather go back to onebag from bagnon ... tho they are very similar |
| 14:22.57 | Kaelten | I don't have oneview done yet |
| 14:23.01 | Kaelten | been distracted by real life |
| 14:23.27 | Cruciformer | rl > wow |
| 14:23.47 | zenzelezz | you shouldn't pipe your real life into WoW like tha |
| 14:23.48 | zenzelezz | +t |
| 14:23.56 | zenzelezz | and damnit, I meant redirect |
| 14:24.00 | zenzelezz | double fail |
| 14:24.03 | Cruciformer | :) |
| 14:24.11 | Cruciformer | I was about to get pedantic |
| 14:24.26 | Cruciformer | and actually that would overwrite wow if you have noclobber set :) |
| 14:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | Kaelten gets a real life, someone out of this bunch needs to live one. :) |
| 14:26.37 | zenzelezz | now you just hurt me, peppy |
| 14:26.51 | Lopeppeppy | :P Teasing! |
| 14:26.53 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: lol. Although my 'rl' intersects this one a whole lot |
| 14:27.12 | kneeki | Anyone know if there will be addon support in Diablo 3? |
| 14:27.18 | kneeki | :D |
| 14:27.20 | Kaelten | kneeki: doesn't look like it |
| 14:27.25 | kneeki | awwwwwww |
| 14:27.30 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.31 | Kaelten | I thik they want to keep the ui out of it |
| 14:27.37 | kneeki | Why for? |
| 14:27.40 | alestane | Okay, that's bizarre. |
| 14:27.46 | Kaelten | if you think about d2, it's ui was almost a not feature |
| 14:27.51 | Cruciformer | more pertinent question: Will blizzard release D3 before arthritis sets in and I can still play it? |
| 14:27.56 | Kaelten | it was very small and kept to the edges |
| 14:28.03 | kneeki | yeah |
| 14:28.13 | Kaelten | Cruciformer: magic eight ball says "No promises" |
| 14:28.22 | alestane | I just filled out a PDF form, printed it...and got just the data I filled into the form, none of the rest of the page appeared. |
| 14:28.42 | Kaelten | kneeki: so in that line I think they want to keep it that way, but that's just my opinion |
| 14:28.54 | zenzelezz | alestane: it's for your protection, so no-one will know what your input meant |
| 14:29.44 | alestane | Go see if there's a newer Adobe Reader, I guess. |
| 14:30.30 | Cruciformer | alestane: did you use the browser's print button or the one in teh acrobat plugin? |
| 14:30.46 | alestane | I used Adobe Reader, no browser required. |
| 14:31.08 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 14:31.22 | Cruciformer | cant help u then I have acrobat pro so things are a wee bit different |
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| 14:31.34 | alestane | Yeah, I'm a version behind. We'll see if that fixes it. |
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| 14:32.15 | Cruciformer | my cat is completely transfixed by the text scrolling here in irssi. She's staring at the screen quite intently. |
| 14:32.27 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 14:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra often "plays WoW with me" by sitting next to the monitor and watching intently. |
| 14:33.23 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/10/funny-pictures-password-is-bellyrub/ |
| 14:33.30 | |Jelly| | tackles Peppy! |
| 14:33.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof! |
| 14:33.45 | Cruciformer | before I played with headphones, whenever I'd switch into bear form and it made that sounds, Tammy would jump up and stare at teh speakers. |
| 14:34.15 | Cruciformer | I meant cat form ... the growl |
| 14:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra does not enjoy the error sound when I spam a spell |
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| 14:35.00 | |Jelly| | So ... it's been raining for two days. I'm tempted to call work and be like "Can I just save us both some time and go back to bed?" |
| 14:35.05 | Cruciformer | I like the name Kendra. Only heard it once before. there was a hottie I worked with at Google called Kendra. |
| 14:35.33 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra Sue is a cat. :P I also call her Moose, because she is not one. |
| 14:35.37 | alestane | One of my classmates in high school was a Kendra. |
| 14:36.21 | Cruciformer | whena Scotsman visited cana and asked what the big-ass thing was an was told its a moose, he said "Cor! If thats the moose I'd hate to see the bloody cat" |
| 14:36.29 | Cruciformer | grrr typos |
| 14:37.23 | Cruciformer | (thats funnier on vent with an accent) |
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| 14:37.56 | alestane | I get it, anyway. |
| 14:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 14:38.42 | Kraps | the mount qq is legendary |
| 14:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty annoyed by it myself. |
| 14:39.30 | Kraps | i had to make my own thread to deal with the stress |
| 14:39.31 | zenzelezz | the drama or the mount changes? |
| 14:39.38 | Shirik | qqs at mount |
| 14:39.54 | Shirik | honestly, I don't like the change either, but there's really no sense talking much about it |
| 14:40.04 | Shirik | I'm sure Blizzard has spent a hell of a lot more time discussing it than we have |
| 14:40.10 | zenzelezz | personally, I don't see a problem with the changes |
| 14:40.13 | Shirik | they understand the consequences |
| 14:40.28 | Shirik | the only problem I have is that in world pvp, running away becomes trivial |
| 14:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | And it will change the lower level battlegrounds as well. |
| 14:40.48 | zenzelezz | if you spot them before they engage you perhaps |
| 14:40.56 | Shirik | not really |
| 14:41.03 | Shirik | remember pvp combat runs on timers |
| 14:41.15 | Shirik | so you're moving from a 6s mount to a 4.5s mount |
| 14:41.20 | Cruciformer | I thought you couldn't mount in combat? |
| 14:41.23 | zenzelezz | well, I don't PvP anyway; but I see there is some merit to your points |
| 14:41.24 | Shirik | so long as you can stay out of combat for that long |
| 14:42.01 | Shirik | however |
| 14:42.08 | Shirik | I might actually be able to afford mounts on my alts now |
| 14:42.09 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:42.10 | zenzelezz | but I still think the changes are fine |
| 14:43.03 | alestane | The biggest reason I've heard people express why they're upset is that it devalues what they had to work harder/spend more time to achieve. |
| 14:43.19 | dardack | alestane: exactly |
| 14:43.22 | dardack | having 4 epic flyers |
| 14:43.27 | dardack | 2 toons with over 70 mounts |
| 14:43.46 | Shirik | how is that different from any of the other changes |
| 14:43.50 | alestane | But an epic ground mount isn't a prestigious achievement any more, it's a waypoint. |
| 14:43.52 | Shirik | things have been getting easier and easier |
| 14:43.53 | zenzelezz | alestane: same thing as when they make raids easier. Someone will always feel it makes their accomplishments less |
| 14:43.57 | dardack | i coulda saved approxiamately 6k |
| 14:43.59 | Kraps | [10:43:08]<alestane>The biggest reason I've heard people express why they're upset is that it devalues what they had to work harder/spend more time to achieve. vanilla? bc? |
| 14:44.03 | dardack | oh i just want my gold back |
| 14:44.07 | Shirik | I don't agree with it, but it's probably better for the community |
| 14:44.23 | BlackNet | that's like the professions, they are all but dead and worthless |
| 14:44.30 | dardack | if i ever decide to level another alt it'd be nice but eh |
| 14:44.33 | BlackNet | i.e. dragonscales. |
| 14:44.37 | krka | i guess they want new players to have an easier time reaching the end content |
| 14:44.45 | Shirik | that's what it seems like to me too krka |
| 14:44.55 | krka | if grinding from 1-80 takes too long, they'll get bored because they can't play with their friends |
| 14:45.14 | dardack | it just kills me how peole are ripping people that don't like the change say QQ more, when i feel it was QQ'ing that prompted this chance |
| 14:45.17 | alestane | When you consider that they keep moving end content further and further away with each expansion, it makes sense that they may occasionally have to make the trip a little faster. |
| 14:45.22 | BlackNet | so why not allow newly created chars to start off at higher levels than 1? |
| 14:45.31 | Kraps | come on people, this changes nothing at 80, where 98% of people are/want to be |
| 14:46.27 | Cruciformer | wait people who play wow have friends? I thought we were all anti-social :) |
| 14:46.27 | Mikk | alestane hits the nail on the head |
| 14:46.27 | dardack | i've always said if you had 1 or 2 max toons you should get to start an alt or recruit a friend at level 55 or something |
| 14:46.27 | BlackNet | i.e. my highest level char is 60 so why not allow me to create new chars at level 60? |
| 14:46.27 | Mikk | BlackNet: you basically can through recruit-a-friend and level grants. It just costs real life money. |
| 14:46.32 | Mikk | And why would they not want money? =P |
| 14:46.41 | BlackNet | the recruit a friend level thing is only one way. |
| 14:46.56 | Cruciformer | whats a level grant? |
| 14:47.04 | dardack | with RaF |
| 14:47.07 | krka | recruit a friend lets you level insanely fast |
| 14:47.08 | dardack | you can give levels |
| 14:47.11 | BlackNet | the person you recruit can grand you 1 level every 2 levels you gain |
| 14:47.28 | Mikk | and while you play with your friend, you get triple xp |
| 14:47.33 | dardack | yea to any toon, i used it to level a mage/pally/druid/priest to 60 |
| 14:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | Very sweet system |
| 14:47.44 | Mikk | it's just a bit confusing |
| 14:47.47 | BlackNet | so the friend grinds to level 40 and you create an alt your friend can grand you 20 levels |
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| 14:48.18 | Cruciformer | oh. I like the idea of actually leveling tho tbh. It lets you learn the class. If you have never played a priest before and you can start at level 55, or 60 or whatever, just becuase you have a level 80 druid, you will join the ranks of all the other crappy priests out there. |
| 14:48.19 | BlackNet | but you being level 80 can not graint your friend any levels at all |
| 14:48.27 | krka | triple xp from quest turnins is insane |
| 14:48.45 | Mikk | this works up to level 55. so if your "friend" is your 2nd account that you've levelled two toons up on, you instantly have a new 55 on the first account. |
| 14:48.48 | BlackNet | yea that to, you have to be in a group with your friend and you get a special mount after 2 months as well |
| 14:48.50 | Lopeppeppy | esp. since they upped the amount of XP you get, and lowered the amount you need per level |
| 14:49.14 | BlackNet | http://www.warcraftmounts.com/mounts/swiftzhevra.php this mount |
| 14:49.32 | BlackNet | that's after 2 billable months of game time |
| 14:49.46 | Mikk | hm wonder if i have mine now |
| 14:49.47 | Mikk | checks |
| 14:49.59 | BlackNet | the friend does not get the mount. only the one who sent the code |
| 14:50.13 | Cruciformer | only change I would make to mounts is make the raven lord animation smoother,. all that bobbing up and down makes my butt hurt. |
| 14:50.31 | BlackNet | most of the mounts i find horrible |
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| 14:50.48 | Cruciformer | i personally just use travel form and almost never mount |
| 14:50.59 | BlackNet | travel form? |
| 14:51.14 | Cruciformer | but if I do the good old trust swift frostsabre is my mount of choice |
| 14:51.18 | Mikk | WHOOT! |
| 14:51.19 | Cruciformer | druid thing |
| 14:51.27 | BlackNet | oh |
| 14:52.19 | dardack | i like my redproto drake |
| 14:52.25 | Mikk | travel.. form? +40%? |
| 14:52.29 | Mikk | over +100%? |
| 14:52.36 | Mikk | er wait +30% even |
| 14:52.39 | Kraps | Cruciformer: for me it depends on the efficiency of getting where i want |
| 14:52.40 | Cide | over 9000? |
| 14:52.46 | BlackNet | i saw one of those on shat city recently from an alliance toon. was quite impressive and one of the non-gay mounts |
| 14:53.09 | dardack | one of what BlackNet ? |
| 14:53.18 | Cruciformer | ya if I am running through southshore or whatever I mount up but for getting around IF/dalaran I find travel form sufficient |
| 14:53.38 | BlackNet | the big red dragon mount |
| 14:54.00 | dardack | yea took me a bit to get less-rabi, but got lucky one day and now i got it finally |
| 14:54.17 | Mikk | less-rabi .... grrrr |
| 14:54.50 | dardack | 2 rogues spec'd throwing spec with AD, and we got stunned at 5% and he can't cast while your stunned, so we all spammed our interupt |
| 14:55.00 | dardack | so were able to interupt that last one |
| 14:55.15 | BlackNet | anyways, i gotta run, have some work in the shop to do on my longrifle barrel today |
| 14:55.32 | dardack | cool |
| 14:55.45 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730194348&sid=1#5 Why are there people who think this is an enjoyable way to play? |
| 14:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | People think electrocution is fun too. |
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| 14:57.14 | dardack | cause alot of people are inherintly lazy i guess |
| 14:57.31 | dardack | sigh i can't believe i'm subjecting myself to this torture again |
| 15:00.10 | Kraps | how do you make a macro to cast more than 1 buff? i tried and failed |
| 15:00.16 | alestane | "Just spin your mousewheel and all the right spells will go off!" |
| 15:01.45 | alestane | With a bunch of false starts and wasted GCDs. |
| 15:01.45 | Lopeppeppy | Might as well get Kendra an account of her own. |
| 15:02.37 | Kraps | its not |
| 15:02.37 | kneeki | What is it that gives druids the ability to vanish from combat and go flight form? |
| 15:02.38 | Kraps | /cast <buff> |
| 15:02.40 | Kraps | /cast <buff> |
| 15:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.02 | Cruciformer | shadowmeald? |
| 15:03.08 | alestane | kneeki: I would guess shadowmeld. |
| 15:03.17 | kneeki | They can use that while in combat now? |
| 15:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think so. |
| 15:03.32 | alestane | Shadowmeld is a sort of mini-vanish since 3.0 |
| 15:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | Rogues can vanish. If it works. |
| 15:03.43 | kneeki | I see druids doing it a lot |
| 15:04.18 | alestane | If they're night elf druids, my guess is they're shadowmelding and taking advantage of the fact that flight form is instant cast. |
| 15:04.25 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: no way to make 2 buffs cast in succession? |
| 15:04.32 | kneeki | They are night elf |
| 15:04.41 | kneeki | so, I guess shadow meld is usable while in combat now |
| 15:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | Still takes two presses, Kraps, and if you have GCD, you have to wait, etc... |
| 15:05.04 | alestane | Kraps: Pressing one button and getting two spells on after the other is considered automation. |
| 15:05.09 | alestane | one* after |
| 15:05.41 | Kraps | lame |
| 15:05.55 | Lopeppeppy | It's been that way for... a lot of patches now, it's not lame, it's just the rule. |
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| 15:07.03 | Kraps | was hoping i could cast fortitude, DS, and inner fire with one macro /sigh |
| 15:07.29 | kneeki | Kraps: Castsequence? |
| 15:07.55 | Kraps | kneeki: elaborate pls :) |
| 15:08.11 | alestane | Have to triple-tap it, but it'll save button space. |
| 15:08.39 | kneeki | yup |
| 15:08.42 | kneeki | but it's one macro =) |
| 15:09.16 | kneeki | #Showtooltip |
| 15:09.17 | kneeki | /castsequence reset=10 Siphon Life, Corruption, Curse of Agony, Life Tap |
| 15:09.52 | alestane | kneeki: Take Siphon Life out of that, it'll bung up your macro. |
| 15:09.53 | dardack | shadowmeld is usable in combat |
| 15:10.07 | kneeki | alestane: It's an old one I copy pasted from the wiki |
| 15:10.11 | dardack | it doesn't remove you from combat until everyone else is dead or out of combat |
| 15:10.14 | kneeki | I don't use it |
| 15:10.29 | kneeki | dardack: Uhm, I'm pretty sure it does |
| 15:10.43 | dardack | used to |
| 15:10.45 | kneeki | 3 times now i've been smashing a druids face in, he'll do a 'rogue vanish' thing, then fly away |
| 15:10.55 | kneeki | it happened just 5 minutes ago |
| 15:10.55 | dardack | well if he's not in agroup |
| 15:10.57 | dardack | yes |
| 15:11.00 | dardack | if he's in a group no |
| 15:11.07 | dardack | that was my point |
| 15:11.08 | kneeki | what would a group ahve to do with anything? |
| 15:11.16 | dardack | our druid uses it on wipes |
| 15:11.25 | alestane | It doesn't remove you from combat unless you're the only thing in combat with whatever's in combat with you. |
| 15:11.33 | dardack | yea that |
| 15:12.01 | alestane | So if you're soloing, you can use it to drop aggro, but if you're raiding it's more like fade. |
| 15:12.17 | dardack | well not fade |
| 15:12.20 | dardack | cause if everyone else dies |
| 15:12.25 | dardack | the boss/mobs will reset |
| 15:12.34 | alestane | "more" like* |
| 15:12.37 | dardack | cause doesn't fade just drop agro? |
| 15:12.40 | dardack | oh sorry |
| 15:12.52 | alestane | I did not say "just like". |
| 15:13.00 | alestane | 'sokay. |
| 15:13.02 | Kraps | #Showtooltip |
| 15:13.04 | Kraps | /castsequence |
| 15:13.05 | Kraps | /cast Power Word: Fortitude(Rank 7) |
| 15:13.07 | Kraps | /cast Divine Spirit(Rank 5) |
| 15:13.09 | Kraps | /cast Inner Fire(Rank 8) |
| 15:13.10 | Kraps | is incorrect right? |
| 15:13.13 | dardack | yes |
| 15:13.14 | kneeki | lol very |
| 15:13.15 | alestane | Completely. |
| 15:13.19 | kneeki | hahaha |
| 15:13.25 | dardack | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.43 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.48 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYBhcGtk7SI |
| 15:13.52 | kneeki | you don't need the ranks there, it will always do max rank |
| 15:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | And make sure to leave enough space between your keypresses for the GCD |
| 15:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis! I saw you! |
| 15:14.09 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: me?!? |
| 15:14.13 | Kraps | it inserted the ranks when i make it |
| 15:14.16 | Cruciformer | www.worldoflogs.com looks pretty neat. anyone used it? |
| 15:14.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis: http://www.nostockui.com/2009/06/8-addons-that-put-the-pro-in-profession/ |
| 15:14.37 | dardack | yea but i always remove ranks cause if you level it will use the lesser level for same mana cost |
| 15:14.47 | kneeki | yup |
| 15:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | Cruciformer, I think most people use WWS (is that the name? I forget) |
| 15:15.10 | Lopeppeppy | Nice tail in there, Ackis. |
| 15:15.17 | AckisWork | cool Lopeppeppy :) ty for link |
| 15:15.19 | Cruciformer | yeah I use that currently but this worldoflogs looks like it has neater features |
| 15:15.59 | Cruciformer | Im gonna try it out |
| 15:16.04 | Kraps | dardack: i know, thought i would have to change it every time i bought a higher rank :/ |
| 15:16.27 | dardack | i use WWS |
| 15:16.34 | dardack | Kraps: yea that would be a pain |
| 15:16.44 | dardack | it''s kinda like Blizz not offering a discard for the loot window |
| 15:16.51 | dardack | oh well my mod is working now |
| 15:17.04 | dardack | it's a hack that i have to loot the item first to delelte it but w/e |
| 15:17.07 | Kraps | thats awesome :) |
| 15:17.17 | Kraps | it works |
| 15:17.35 | Cruciformer | is chicago is CST or EST? |
| 15:17.41 | Cruciformer | *in |
| 15:17.49 | Kraps | the icon changes :) |
| 15:17.57 | dardack | CST |
| 15:18.05 | dardack | yep it will kraps |
| 15:18.26 | dardack | you can also have a dps one that /use your 2 trinket slots than some big cast or 2-3 |
| 15:19.43 | Kraps | i dislike on-use trinkets :) |
| 15:20.02 | dardack | ok question i have the Furnace Stone and the JC Crab, if i use the FS the JC Crab goes on a 20 sec CD, but if i use the Crab the FS doesn't go on CD |
| 15:20.11 | dardack | ok not sure that was aquestion |
| 15:20.14 | dardack | just wierd |
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| 15:23.07 | |Jelly| | Cruciformer: I use it |
| 15:23.22 | |Jelly| | .. and I love it's face off |
| 15:23.44 | Lothaer | OMG WTF, get your riding skill at lvl 20 for 4 gold and mounts are 1g each, epic land at lvl 40 for 50g mounts 10g, flying at lvl 60 for 600 gold mounts 50g and epic flying still at lvl 70 for 5000 gold mounts now 100g (both flying skills now are cheaper with faction rep) |
| 15:23.45 | Cruciformer | Jelly: yeah? It looks pretty impressive. Ever use the live report thingy? |
| 15:24.02 | |Jelly| | No, I haven't. |
| 15:24.18 | Lothaer | adn you can learn the flying skills in HFP at Thrallmar and Honor Hold |
| 15:24.25 | |Jelly| | huh? |
| 15:24.30 | phyber | Lothaer: damn those alts and newbies being able to get around a little faster while you don't give a shit because you're in northrend already! |
| 15:24.36 | phyber | *rawr* |
| 15:24.41 | Kraps | Lothaer: good morning, its a good day in Azeroth |
| 15:24.41 | Lothaer | rofl |
| 15:24.49 | Lothaer | meh |
| 15:24.54 | Lothaer | u guys got your battle bots? |
| 15:25.03 | Fisker | DEY TOOK MY PET |
| 15:25.04 | Kraps | dont meh me >:( |
| 15:25.12 | Lothaer | why did they take it Fisker? |
| 15:25.22 | Fisker | i'm not cool enough |
| 15:25.23 | Cruciformer | |Jelly|: I am going to try the live report thingy tonight, if you are interested I will report back to you tomorrow. |
| 15:25.32 | |Jelly| | Definitely |
| 15:25.52 | Lothaer | are you not in US? |
| 15:25.58 | Fisker | nope |
| 15:26.04 | Cruciformer | One of these days I may write an actual windows app that does live combat log analysis |
| 15:26.10 | Fisker | But i'm confused |
| 15:26.12 | Lothaer | what country? |
| 15:26.30 | Fisker | I thought the promotion was for americans and not people on american realms |
| 15:26.33 | Fisker | denmark btw |
| 15:26.36 | Cruciformer | wellmore specifically a GTK app so that macheads can use it too |
| 15:27.02 | AckisWork | Fisker: you're dutch? |
| 15:27.10 | Lothaer | i got a bot and im in Australia? |
| 15:27.15 | Fisker | i'm danish AckisWork |
| 15:27.35 | alestane | Dutch is the Netherlands. |
| 15:27.40 | cog|work | bets AckisWork likes to eat danishes |
| 15:27.46 | AckisWork | om nom nom |
| 15:27.52 | alestane | Holland, whatever you like to call it. |
| 15:28.22 | Fisker | btw AckisWork |
| 15:28.22 | Fisker | reported |
| 15:28.22 | Fisker | you're not american |
| 15:28.22 | cog|work | The Netherregion? |
| 15:28.22 | Fisker | therefor you're not eligible for the pet |
| 15:28.22 | Cruciformer | I like to call it land of the tall, hot swimmers :) |
| 15:28.24 | AckisWork | laughs at Fisker |
| 15:29.06 | Cruciformer | oh ho hooooo our mages are gonna HATE these death reports :) |
| 15:29.44 | Lothaer | aww Fisker dont be mean >< |
| 15:29.49 | Lothaer | i play on a US realm :D |
| 15:29.55 | Fisker | he's mean to me |
| 15:31.01 | Fisker | Where do you play Lothaer ? |
| 15:31.07 | Fisker | And what character do you play? |
| 15:32.05 | Kraps | my new guild needs more people for 25 ulduar but they're such assholes most new guys dont stay T_T |
| 15:32.15 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you stay then? |
| 15:32.25 | Fisker | he's one of them |
| 15:32.31 | Kraps | har har |
| 15:32.40 | Lothaer | Spinebreaker |
| 15:32.47 | Kraps | they raid after 10pm, which i need |
| 15:33.01 | Mikk | as in start raids after 10? |
| 15:33.07 | Kraps | yes |
| 15:33.08 | Lothaer | i play a Draenei DK named Lothaer a Nightelf Priest named Morphieus and a Dwarf Hunter thats lvl 20 :D named Artemis |
| 15:33.17 | Mikk | yoink, yeah, you won't find that everywhere |
| 15:33.19 | Lothaer | you gonna report me and get my bot taken away >< |
| 15:33.21 | Lothaer | lol |
| 15:34.18 | Kraps | [G] [74:Mornsen]: why did disbelive leave? |
| 15:34.26 | Kraps | [G] [80:Lutey]: he said people in our guild are dicks |
| 15:34.34 | Kraps | um yeah you guys are |
| 15:34.48 | Kraps | not gonna say that... yet |
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| 15:39.53 | Cairenn | Request for Volunteers to help with Minion: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24680 |
| 15:42.37 | Lothaer | checking it out Cairenn |
| 15:42.39 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi Cairenn. |
| 15:42.46 | Cairenn | hi Lopeppeppy :) |
| 15:42.48 | Cairenn | Lothaer: thanks |
| 15:43.23 | Lothaer | well i got 0 coding experience :( |
| 15:45.40 | Kraps | holy blue wall of text http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730164564&pageNo=3&sid=1#49 |
| 15:46.39 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't call that a wall of text |
| 15:47.29 | Lothaer | Cairenn knows hot to do a wall of tezxt :D |
| 15:47.34 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 15:47.37 | Kraps | either way, its good |
| 15:47.43 | Cairenn | yes, yes I do, when you push me far enough |
| 15:47.52 | kneeki | When you're a kid, boners are like Starbucks: they can pop up anywhere, at any time, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Just like an avalanche, they can be caused by something as small as a slight gust of wind. As a child, you live in constant fear of the boner. When you become an adult, boners become like that friend you had in college that you went out on a limb for and... |
| 15:47.54 | kneeki | ...got a job at your office: you just have to hope that they show up when they're supposed to and do an adequate job, because otherwise you're going to look really, really bad. |
| 15:48.04 | Lothaer | .......... |
| 15:48.16 | alestane | "There is a method to our madness and we don't make these types of changes based on a whim." |
| 15:48.16 | alestane | I think one of the things that always mystifies me is the notion people seem to have that the designers pick, say, the damage for Death Strike by throwing darts at a sheet of numbers. |
| 15:48.18 | kneeki | What a gem that is! |
| 15:48.28 | ik0n_ | what's the difference between point and relativePoint in setpoint()? |
| 15:48.56 | alestane | ik0n_: point is the point you're attaching, relativePoint is the place you're attaching it to. |
| 15:49.26 | ik0n | hmm |
| 15:49.45 | alestane | Or the other popular designer accusation, "I bet you're making this change because your kid doesn't like spending so much time running around." |
| 15:52.11 | Mikk | I'd say that there's plenty of proof that the Shaman class designers are doing just that - tossing darts at a sheet of numbers... AND algorithms. |
| 15:52.35 | Mikk | (I don't have a shaman. I just gawk at the hoops my shaman friends have to jump through every 3 months.) |
| 15:52.50 | Lopeppeppy | afk lunches! |
| 15:53.59 | Mikk | Now you want hit! Now you want attackpower! Now you want spellpower! No, wait, agi rocks! Oh and now main and offhand can proc WF independently.. no wait now they can't so you need to find new weapons again.. oh wait now they can! |
| 15:54.15 | Mikk | Oh, and today a gray level 60 weapon is the best one in the game! (No I shit you not) |
| 15:54.45 | Mikk | Today you want flametongue on your weapon! No WF! No uhhh flametongue! |
| 15:55.25 | Mikk | There seriously has to be a masochistic side to anyone enduring enhancement shamaning for an extended time |
| 15:57.45 | Mikk | (I'm forgetting the better part of what I've heard... including the more esoteric cases... I seem to remember some case where adding good stats would actually make your dps go down for a while...) |
| 15:58.32 | dardack | i love my enh shaman |
| 15:58.54 | Mikk | Are you trying to minmax it for high end raiding? |
| 15:59.21 | dardack | used to |
| 15:59.31 | dardack | i've kinda fallen in love with tanking on my DK |
| 15:59.41 | dardack | so after diong 25 naxx he's kinda been shelved |
| 16:01.03 | dardack | but where is this grey weapon thing? |
| 16:01.08 | dardack | cause that is a new one for me |
| 16:01.19 | dardack | all the other stuff you mentioned i've been through |
| 16:01.58 | dardack | and i still ahve arguments with others on WF/WF vs WF/FT (wf/ft IMHO) |
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| 16:02.45 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 16:03.29 | dardack | i wish there was a way to make a jingle in vent or wow when i logged for my toon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfYZRYMeN9o (btw toons name is Doofensmirtz) |
| 16:03.36 | dardack | anyways lunch time for me |
| 16:06.47 | P4L | any securehandler familiar people around? |
| 16:07.28 | cog|work | points at alestane |
| 16:07.56 | cog|work | also... |
| 16:07.58 | cog|work | ~asktoask |
| 16:07.59 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 16:09.40 | Kraps | like this: why am i reading the forums when i should be doing dailies? |
| 16:11.14 | Lothaer | woot i can link Val'anyr on my server :D |
| 16:11.16 | P4L | Is there a way to track MousePosition while holding a button in the protected SecureHandler environment and in case of yes how? |
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| 16:12.34 | Aelobin | if i make a "copy" a function to a local variable, will that local function be separate from the original? |
| 16:13.25 | jnwhiteh | lua> a = 3; b = a; a = a + 1; print(v) |
| 16:13.25 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: nil |
| 16:13.26 | P4L | sounds as if it was the same function |
| 16:13.31 | jnwhiteh | lua> a = 3; b = a; a = a + 1; print(b) |
| 16:13.31 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 3 |
| 16:13.48 | jnwhiteh | oh that doesn't even come close to answering your question :P |
| 16:13.51 | jnwhiteh | you don't "copy" functions |
| 16:14.07 | jnwhiteh | you make a new binding between a name and a Lua value |
| 16:14.19 | Aelobin | i was wondering if it just created a reference pointing to the function like in java, or whether it was stored as a completely new function :P |
| 16:14.29 | jnwhiteh | its a reference, essentially |
| 16:14.51 | Aelobin | so if i "copy" a blizz API function locally, if that blizz API function is editted it wont edit my local version? |
| 16:14.54 | kneeki | http://imgur.com/kJLcu.jpg |
| 16:14.56 | kneeki | lol |
| 16:14.59 | jnwhiteh | stop saying copy |
| 16:15.01 | jnwhiteh | you can't copy |
| 16:15.05 | kneeki | copy |
| 16:15.09 | jnwhiteh | and functions cannot be edited |
| 16:15.15 | jnwhiteh | if you store a reference to a function |
| 16:15.15 | mikma | copy that |
| 16:15.17 | BlackNet | all you are doing is making a pointer to the original function. |
| 16:15.24 | jnwhiteh | you always have a reference to the function |
| 16:15.26 | jnwhiteh | functions cannot be changed |
| 16:15.36 | jnwhiteh | (that's a slight lie, but you don't need to worry about that) |
| 16:15.38 | BlackNet | commonly used to rewrite handlers and after your handle is called you call the original one |
| 16:15.55 | Aelobin | jnwhiteh: i know it's not "copying" but i dont know how else to explain it xD |
| 16:16.16 | jnwhiteh | you're storing a reference to the function in a local variable. |
| 16:16.27 | Aelobin | i just wanna ensure that if i have a local variable containing a Blizz API function, will changes to the global version of that function have any effect on the local? :P |
| 16:16.48 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 16:16.52 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:16.52 | BlackNet | yes |
| 16:16.58 | mikma | maybe |
| 16:16.59 | kneeki | maybe |
| 16:17.01 | jnwhiteh | BlackNet: no, his terminolody is wrong |
| 16:17.02 | kneeki | hah! |
| 16:17.02 | Aelobin | xD |
| 16:17.04 | kneeki | lol |
| 16:17.04 | jnwhiteh | you can't change the function. |
| 16:17.11 | mikma | kneeki: on me, i was first :D |
| 16:17.15 | Aelobin | i'm not bothered about my terminology, i just wanted the question answering :P |
| 16:17.18 | jnwhiteh | he's saying if someone replaces the function pointed to by a name in the global namespace |
| 16:17.21 | BlackNet | if the original function changes all references to said function will have that change |
| 16:17.22 | jnwhiteh | and the answer to that question is no |
| 16:17.27 | kneeki | mikma: showed I was first on my end, which makes it true ;) |
| 16:17.29 | jnwhiteh | Aelobin: well your question makes it impossible.difficult to answer |
| 16:17.34 | jnwhiteh | hence why i'm being pedantic. |
| 16:17.40 | mikma | kneeki: lies, cause i was first! |
| 16:17.43 | jnwhiteh | BlackNet: a function cannot be changed O.o |
| 16:17.44 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 16:17.46 | jnwhiteh | Okay |
| 16:17.49 | jnwhiteh | so you have a global function |
| 16:17.51 | Aelobin | "shallow and pedantic" peter griffin xD |
| 16:17.51 | jnwhiteh | like UnitHealth |
| 16:17.55 | jnwhiteh | you do local myUnitHealth = UnitHealth |
| 16:18.00 | jnwhiteh | all this means |
| 16:18.04 | BlackNet | no it can not be changed. if it's a handle you can prepend code to it |
| 16:18.19 | mikma | there's nothing a good old nume can't solve with GLOBAL PROBLEM! |
| 16:18.19 | mikma | PEW PEW |
| 16:18.19 | mikma | nuke* |
| 16:18.19 | jnwhiteh | BlackNet: its not a handle, clearly |
| 16:18.20 | Legorol | Aelobin: i think if you expect an answer to a technical question, you should make effort to get the technical language right. |
| 16:18.27 | jnwhiteh | is that the global variable 'UnitHealth' points to the object function: 0x190343, and your local variable does the same |
| 16:18.35 | jnwhiteh | if someone changes the function that the global variable 'UnitHealth' points to |
| 16:18.40 | Aelobin | jnwhiteh: UnitHealth is the reference to a function, and by "changing the function" youre just changing which function the reference points to |
| 16:18.42 | jnwhiteh | this will not affect your local reference. |
| 16:18.43 | Legorol | In particular, because by understanding the correct terminology, you usually learn about the structure that the terminology implies, and the answer tends to emerge naturally |
| 16:18.50 | jnwhiteh | Aelobin: yes, and that has no effect on you. |
| 16:19.01 | Aelobin | so if youve got a local function stored, it's a reference that points to the original function stored in the memory |
| 16:19.02 | Aelobin | :P |
| 16:19.02 | jnwhiteh | My section on variables and values in the book covers this |
| 16:19.05 | Aelobin | see i do understand xD |
| 16:19.08 | jnwhiteh | quite well, actually |
| 16:19.14 | Legorol | Incorrect terminology usually implies incorrect understanding |
| 16:19.16 | jnwhiteh | lua> function foo() end; print(foo) |
| 16:19.17 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: function: 0x93b3c90 |
| 16:19.27 | jnwhiteh | lua> function foo() end; local bar = foo; print(foo, bar) |
| 16:19.27 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: function: 0x8db8a88, function: 0x8db8a88 |
| 16:19.40 | Aelobin | aye i understand all this :p |
| 16:19.49 | jnwhiteh | lua> function foo() end; local bar = foo; foo = function() --[[ something else ]] end; print(foo, bar) |
| 16:19.50 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: function: 0x8babce8, function: 0x8babd30 |
| 16:19.57 | jnwhiteh | good, then we're happy =) |
| 16:19.58 | Aelobin | like, variable -> reference -> memory ? |
| 16:20.04 | Legorol | Aelobin: you have to start separating the idea of a "function" and the idea of a "variable that stores a reference to a function" |
| 16:20.10 | cog|work | lua> function foo() end; local bar = foo; print(foo, bar); function foo() end; print (foo, bar) |
| 16:20.11 | lua_bot | cog|work: function: 0x8c53308, function: 0x8c53308, function: 0x8c53340, function: 0x8c53308 |
| 16:20.14 | Legorol | a function is an object with no name |
| 16:20.22 | Legorol | a variable has a name, and variables store references to functions |
| 16:20.41 | Aelobin | Aelobin>like, variable -> reference -> memory ? so that? :P |
| 16:20.54 | Legorol | more like: variable -> function |
| 16:21.05 | alestane | If you store a function found in a global variable in a local variable, subsequent changes to that global variable will not affect the function stored in your local variable unless it used to recurse by global reference. |
| 16:21.30 | jnwhiteh | recurse isn't really the right word there, but yes.. that's the same as what i said =) |
| 16:21.32 | Legorol | alestane: don't use incorrect terminology please. A function is not found ina global variable. That language implies that the function is somehow "stored" in the variable. It's not. |
| 16:21.35 | Legorol | I know you know this ;) |
| 16:21.38 | Aelobin | lol gogo debate xD |
| 16:21.48 | jnwhiteh | everyone just read my book |
| 16:21.54 | jnwhiteh | i describe this in quite simple succinct terms :P |
| 16:21.55 | cog|work | ^ |
| 16:22.00 | P4L | where can i read your book? |
| 16:22.05 | jnwhiteh | in a bookstore |
| 16:22.07 | jnwhiteh | or on your desk |
| 16:22.07 | mikma | anywhere you want |
| 16:22.07 | BlackNet | you wrote a book? paper copy or ecopy? |
| 16:22.09 | jnwhiteh | if you purcahse it |
| 16:22.13 | jnwhiteh | ~wowprogramming |
| 16:22.14 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 16:22.23 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: Kaelten and I spent last year writing it. |
| 16:22.26 | Aelobin | a variable is a signpost, and a function is a town. if you change the way the sign post points then it will send you to a different town, but the original town will still be there ;) |
| 16:22.33 | mikma | crrrrrrazy people wrote it |
| 16:22.34 | jnwhiteh | I just happened to write this portion of the book. |
| 16:22.37 | Aelobin | gogo lack of terminology? :P |
| 16:22.37 | Legorol | Aelobin: precisely |
| 16:22.42 | BlackNet | coolness |
| 16:22.47 | Legorol | Aelobin: and if you understand that, you can answer your own question. |
| 16:23.01 | Aelobin | is that how all languages work? |
| 16:23.14 | Aelobin | i wasnt sure if there was a connection between lua/java (java being where i learnt that from originally) |
| 16:23.16 | jnwhiteh | not really |
| 16:23.22 | alestane | His function does "find" the function in the global variable when it copies it to a local, so I don't consider the terminology grossly incorrect. I apologize for using "store" in favor of "the function to which your local variable refers" for the sake of brevity. |
| 16:23.23 | jnwhiteh | semantics are different between different languages |
| 16:23.26 | Adys | how do you get the type of an object in js? |
| 16:23.26 | Legorol | no, there are plenty languages that work differently |
| 16:23.42 | Cide | Adys: typeof |
| 16:23.42 | Legorol | alestane: store -> point |
| 16:23.46 | Adys | bah |
| 16:23.48 | Adys | was using typeOf |
| 16:23.49 | Cide | typeof variable |
| 16:24.02 | Legorol | I like to say that a variable poitns to a function. |
| 16:24.06 | Legorol | That's my terminology :) |
| 16:24.15 | BlackNet | it's like C, nuff said |
| 16:24.30 | alestane | In Lua, Variables point to basically everything. |
| 16:24.30 | alestane | Except maybe booleans and numbers. |
| 16:24.39 | Legorol | it's like any language that allows the concept of storage by reference |
| 16:24.47 | jnwhiteh | if you simplify things to variable and values.. it makes things so much nicer. Then all you have to do is realize that _numbers_ _strings_ and _booleans_ are not references, and you're good. |
| 16:25.01 | Adys | Cide: wtf typeof is a keyword? |
| 16:25.05 | cog|work | and nils ;) |
| 16:25.07 | Cide | yes |
| 16:25.12 | BlackNet | jnwhiteh question, you do any performance testing for lua structures and equivalences? |
| 16:25.13 | Adys | what kind of shit is that |
| 16:25.21 | Aelobin | after making some variables point to nil, should i force garbage collection or just let it do it alone? :P |
| 16:25.23 | jnwhiteh | BlackNet: i have done quite a bit, yes. |
| 16:25.25 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: I thought that strings were references too, to an entry in the string table? |
| 16:25.28 | Cide | function typeOf(var) { return typeof var; } |
| 16:25.28 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: indeed, my mistake |
| 16:25.29 | Cide | done |
| 16:25.33 | jnwhiteh | Aelobin: don't ever tough garbage collection |
| 16:25.33 | jnwhiteh | ever. |
| 16:25.38 | Cide | EVER |
| 16:25.39 | jnwhiteh | ever |
| 16:25.41 | Cide | EVER |
| 16:25.43 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 16:25.45 | Cide | (just helping out) |
| 16:25.53 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 16:25.54 | Adys | Cide: still awkward |
| 16:25.56 | jnwhiteh | hugs Cide |
| 16:26.00 | alestane | I described it as saying that in Lua, variables are named untyped, mutable references to anonymous, typed, immutable values. |
| 16:26.00 | Aelobin | am i just a Drama-o-matic 9001? |
| 16:26.00 | BlackNet | jnwhiteh familar with this? http://trac.caspring.org/wiki/LuaPerformance |
| 16:26.01 | Aelobin | :P |
| 16:26.08 | Legorol | Aelobin: among all this chaos, did your original question get answered ;) |
| 16:26.22 | Cide | Adys: /shrug |
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| 16:26.54 | Aelobin | yus + the entertainment value :p |
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| 16:28.10 | jnwhiteh | BlackNet: seems like the basic performance stuff we did when starting to work with Lua |
| 16:28.49 | P4L | Is 'control:SetTimer()' for SecureHandlers still supported in the current wow version? |
| 16:29.06 | alestane | P4L: Sadly no. |
| 16:29.13 | P4L | d'oh |
| 16:29.25 | Lunessa | <3 WoWProgramming - Seriously, not only is it a good reference for WoW specific stuff, but the basic programming concepts and the Lua instruction make it a good book for just about anyone learning to program. |
| 16:29.48 | jnwhiteh | SHILL |
| 16:29.50 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:29.53 | P4L | I guess there is no way to use OnUpdate to call into SecureHandlers? |
| 16:30.01 | BlackNet | jnwhiteh pretty much it is basic stuff. sadly not many coders know about the differences in those methods, they tend to get caught up in the leetness of the structure and forget about the performance |
| 16:30.17 | jnwhiteh | the performance rarely matters |
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| 16:30.27 | jnwhiteh | and i mean that will all sincerity |
| 16:30.30 | alestane | P4L: No, for the same reasons. What do you need to do? |
| 16:30.55 | BlackNet | when yu are dealing with large amounts of data it greatly matters. esp when you send/receive large amounts and process it |
| 16:31.03 | jnwhiteh | of course |
| 16:31.08 | P4L | alestane: I need to track the mouseposition in the protected environment |
| 16:31.10 | jnwhiteh | that's not a typical application |
| 16:31.17 | BlackNet | for common stuff it doesnt make any difference for the most part |
| 16:31.18 | cog|work | BlackNet: that's one of the "rarely"s |
| 16:31.31 | alestane | P4L: For what purpose? |
| 16:31.31 | jnwhiteh | premature optimization... blah blah blah |
| 16:31.45 | BlackNet | when i wrote the app i mentioend yesterday with the mysql server guild thing that came into great play |
| 16:32.09 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 16:32.17 | P4L | alestane: in pre 2.0 I made a mousegesture-addon and thought I could make it fully working again by using secure handlers |
| 16:32.18 | jnwhiteh | so you come up with best practices |
| 16:32.24 | jnwhiteh | and the find places to get the performance you need |
| 16:32.28 | jnwhiteh | yuou don't _write_ your code like that |
| 16:32.35 | P4L | alestane: doesn't look too good though |
| 16:32.51 | alestane | P4L: Unfortunately, gesture recognition was the worst casualty of having to remove time-sensitivity. |
| 16:33.44 | alestane | Iriel and I were hoping to support it when we first wrote the system, but when we had to remove :SetAnimating(), there was no real way to continue supporting it. |
| 16:34.05 | P4L | alestane: well .. i could layout a framegrid on the screen and get the mouseposition by using onmouseenter |
| 16:34.13 | Adys | "Is Slashdot written in Java? Because the garbage collection is really poor" |
| 16:34.15 | Adys | ~zing |
| 16:34.28 | P4L | alestane: but i don't think i want to take that road |
| 16:34.38 | alestane | Hurray for thinking inventively. |
| 16:34.49 | alestane | I have to step out for a little bit now. |
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| 16:35.29 | BlackNet | lol |
| 16:35.55 | BlackNet | we found that POE works super well with lua in game :) |
| 16:36.19 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Thpppth. I'm totally not a shill. Until I get paid. :P |
| 16:38.51 | BlackNet | i hate the smell of brake cleaner |
| 16:41.43 | Kraps | i cant stop reading these mount qq posts, its like a drug |
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| 16:44.45 | Kraps | "I bet that if the suscription cost was lowered, some would QQ about it not being low enough, some would QQ about the lower cost letting more noobs in, and the rest would QQ about the change coming late and demanding their money back." |
| 16:45.52 | BlackNet | thats kinda lame |
| 16:46.51 | Kraps | its true |
| 16:47.25 | Kraps | or the general idea is |
| 16:50.00 | Lunessa | Oh yes. They're letting me order a new iMac for my office... iMac (24"LCD/3.06GHz/4GB/1TB) Oh yes... |
| 16:50.16 | BlackNet | why a mac? |
| 16:50.41 | Lunessa | BlackNet: ... what, you have something against Macs? |
| 16:50.51 | AckisWork | they suck |
| 16:50.52 | BlackNet | didnt' say that |
| 16:51.08 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Go back to dreaming about penii. |
| 16:51.41 | ckknight | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/apple |
| 16:51.54 | BlackNet | was wondering if there is a specific app that it will be using or if it's a novelty thing |
| 16:51.59 | Lunessa | BlackNet: I support Mac OS, Windows (XP/Vista/2003/7) and various *nix flavors. The benefit to me is I get lots of hardware. |
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| 16:52.36 | mib_iidbdy16 | anyone live here? |
| 16:52.46 | AckisWork | yes |
| 16:52.50 | Cairenn | no |
| 16:52.50 | Kraps | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end |
| 16:52.57 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no, i live over there --> |
| 16:53.03 | BlackNet | ckknight that's a good site lol |
| 16:53.11 | Lunessa | Living is for the weak. I am Forsaken! |
| 16:53.15 | mib_iidbdy16 | hehe awesome thar be peepul |
| 16:53.37 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no, i'm pretty sure there's only 'people' here |
| 16:53.48 | Seerah | shhh :p |
| 16:54.14 | Seerah | lrn2spell NightHawkTheSane :p |
| 16:54.43 | mib_iidbdy16 | anyone versed in auctioneer v5.5.4293b Suite that I can drop a few questions on? |
| 16:55.02 | mib_iidbdy16 | and he did says he was forsaken and they eat ppl |
| 16:55.05 | Seerah | no need to ask if you can ask ;) |
| 16:55.09 | Seerah | ~ask2ask |
| 16:55.31 | Seerah | where's purl?!? |
| 16:55.36 | ckknight | purl is dead |
| 16:55.38 | AckisWork | can I ask to ask to ask if I can ask? |
| 16:55.38 | ckknight | long live purl |
| 16:55.47 | ckknight | you may, AckisWork |
| 16:55.48 | Seerah | no |
| 16:56.02 | Kaelten | AckisWork: absolutely not |
| 16:56.05 | mib_iidbdy16 | well i DL'ed, installed and now I'm trying to wrap my head around the moutain of new info |
| 16:56.05 | Seerah | anyway, mib_iidbdy16, just ask your questions :) |
| 16:56.21 | ckknight | mib_iidbdy16: #norganna might be a better resource |
| 16:56.41 | mib_iidbdy16 | no life and no dead in #norganna |
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| 16:57.40 | mib_iidbdy16 | so I've watched the AH like a hawk for about 2.5 months and intuitive learned about what works and what fails and still learning |
| 16:57.42 | ckknight | Seerah: it's ~asktoask |
| 16:57.54 | AckisWork | ~fail Seerah |
| 16:57.54 | purl | Seerah: FAIL! |
| 16:57.59 | AckisWork | ~rlart |
| 16:57.59 | purl | beats Diao to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 16:58.34 | mib_iidbdy16 | but after getting auctioneer I'm not sure if its working to my benefit or I'm just under cutting when auctioning |
| 16:59.48 | BlackNet | are youd oing a full scan>? |
| 17:00.38 | mib_iidbdy16 | i did a full scan as my first step |
| 17:00.56 | BlackNet | i think you have to do full scans often to get reliable data |
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| 17:01.22 | mib_iidbdy16 | I do a "get all" scan if data is more than 8 mins old |
| 17:01.31 | mib_iidbdy16 | its pretty fast |
| 17:01.45 | BlackNet | i.e. you do a full scan to start and it shows 100 gold for an item. that value drops to 85 gold in 1 month time and if you under cut 100 gold by 5 gold then your still high |
| 17:01.52 | AckisWork | In recognition of your criminal contributions, you've been promoted to Level 200! |
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| 17:04.06 | Aelobin | jnwhiteh: how do i copy and edit a function? xD |
| 17:04.11 | mib_iidbdy16 | ok but why would I still be high? |
| 17:04.25 | mib_iidbdy16 | and why woudl the price drop to 85g in a month |
| 17:04.32 | ckknight | deflation |
| 17:04.48 | mib_iidbdy16 | money doesnt deflate in wow |
| 17:04.52 | ckknight | and you'd be too high because you're using out of date stats |
| 17:04.53 | ckknight | yes it does. |
| 17:05.11 | ckknight | it depends on the market, of course |
| 17:05.23 | ckknight | but overall, it's simple supply and demand |
| 17:05.36 | ckknight | when demand drops, prices drop in order to raise demand |
| 17:05.51 | mib_iidbdy16 | true |
| 17:06.30 | mib_iidbdy16 | ok so let me try a more real example... I'm setting on 15 stacks of silk cloth from leveling a mage alt thru SM... |
| 17:06.45 | BlackNet | i also find that some items are grossly over valued at the AH |
| 17:06.45 | ckknight | k |
| 17:06.55 | ckknight | BlackNet: whatever the market will bear |
| 17:06.56 | mib_iidbdy16 | on a good day (fri-sun) silk stacks sell 2.5g to 3g |
| 17:07.01 | BlackNet | rare item is shit on stats yet shows 300 gold or some insane value |
| 17:07.08 | BlackNet | never will be able to sell it for that price |
| 17:07.35 | mib_iidbdy16 | that is 2.5g to 3g with loads of competition and soem listing a stack of silk @ 15g99s |
| 17:08.10 | BlackNet | what i did find weird was mightyfish and lobster sells for 49-55 gold for a stack of 20, |
| 17:08.23 | BlackNet | gives no buffs and only used for cooking, yet sells for very high $ |
| 17:08.24 | mib_iidbdy16 | I would list the stacks (no more that 8 stacks) @ 99silver / 2.5g (bid/bo) |
| 17:08.35 | BlackNet | deviate fish goes for 14gold for 20, go figure |
| 17:08.42 | BlackNet | raw is more valuable than cooked |
| 17:08.47 | mib_iidbdy16 | and then 5 more stacks @ 90s bid / 3g bo |
| 17:08.56 | NightHawkTheSan1 | BlackNet: i think those fish fill in particular gaps in leveling cooking |
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| 17:09.09 | mib_iidbdy16 | the stacsk would sell in 20 mins - 2 hrs |
| 17:09.38 | BlackNet | takes no time to fish up those fish |
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| 17:09.51 | BlackNet | the deviates are used in a potion and does give buffs when cooked |
| 17:10.47 | BlackNet | mobinfo3 works super well with auctioneer. |
| 17:10.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | everthing takes time, some people don't wish to spend it. |
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| 17:12.28 | BlackNet | not much equipment seems to be doing to well on the ah |
| 17:15.32 | mib_iidbdy16 | ok so I'm understanding pricing models used in the appraiser tab |
| 17:15.53 | BlackNet | not looked to much at the appraiser tab |
| 17:15.58 | mib_iidbdy16 | and the post tab show different suggested sale prices |
| 17:17.15 | BlackNet | when you hover over the item in your bag you dont see that info? |
| 17:18.34 | mib_iidbdy16 | no |
| 17:18.58 | BlackNet | hmm might be another plug i have that shows it |
| 17:19.15 | BlackNet | i hover over and item and i see disenchant, auction value, vendor prices etc.. |
| 17:19.16 | mib_iidbdy16 | I'm might be jumping ahead |
| 17:19.46 | BlackNet | lemme jump in game real quick and post a screenshot for you |
| 17:20.21 | theorbtwo | I think it's "informant", which comes with the auctioneer bundle on curse. |
| 17:20.37 | mib_iidbdy16 | my tooltip shows: vendor sell to price, market price, simple Auction price, simple auction undercut price, purchase price and # seen today |
| 17:21.39 | mib_iidbdy16 | the suggestion is to auction the item |
| 17:22.12 | BlackNet | in theory if you can auction it for a better price than the vendor buys it thenit's worth it |
| 17:22.14 | mib_iidbdy16 | but again I think I might be getting ahead of myself... as here is how I would attempt to approach without auctioneer |
| 17:22.46 | mib_iidbdy16 | if there is way too much competition then I would look at if it would be worth A) spinning the cloth to bolts |
| 17:22.52 | mib_iidbdy16 | and selling bolts |
| 17:23.03 | BlackNet | ok here |
| 17:23.09 | BlackNet | http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/v/wow/WoWScrnShot_061109_132127.jpg.html |
| 17:23.48 | theorbtwo | It's strange... I got auctioneer, and set myself up a bank alt, because I knew I'd need oodles of cash for riding soon. |
| 17:24.15 | theorbtwo | Now I'm sitting around with 60ish gold, and feel absolutely no need to log in as bank alt. |
| 17:24.23 | theorbtwo | I just keep mailing him stuff. |
| 17:24.48 | mib_iidbdy16 | b) using the bolts to craft item(s) or... c) DE'ing crafted items and selling enchant mats |
| 17:25.14 | theorbtwo | Do other people really buy that much more stuff then me, or do you just like watching your cash on hand go up? |
| 17:25.14 | BlackNet | that on hover stuff is super good info to see |
| 17:25.48 | BlackNet | theorbtwo one of the ways to see and know you are on the right track is watch your bank ballance go up. |
| 17:26.46 | mib_iidbdy16 | and my tool tip is similar to blacknet... but I dont have IQR, Historgram, StdDev, or Confidence info |
| 17:28.54 | BlackNet | the top block is mobinfo3 |
| 17:29.02 | BlackNet | shows where the item is obtained and the drop rate |
| 17:29.39 | mib_iidbdy16 | also on my tooltip it shows---> Undercut: Cannot Undercut |
| 17:30.05 | BlackNet | that would mean there's no info available or not enough auctions to determine |
| 17:30.23 | BlackNet | does it say no competition? |
| 17:30.43 | theorbtwo | That's one way the wow economy is artifical, BTW. Things can't deflate past the vendor prices, really. |
| 17:31.17 | BlackNet | purpose is to get more $ for an item than the vendor will buy it for |
| 17:31.53 | mib_iidbdy16 | nope no info about competition |
| 17:32.16 | BlackNet | so odd's are that item has not been seen on the auction house |
| 17:32.19 | mib_iidbdy16 | although a full scan just completed |
| 17:32.33 | mib_iidbdy16 | there is loads of silk on AH right now |
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| 17:32.54 | theorbtwo | mib_iidbdy16: Either it's rare, so nobody is selling it, or it's worthless, so nobody is selling it. |
| 17:33.35 | mib_iidbdy16 | 44 silk cloth in various stacks and 1 bolt stack (single bolt) |
| 17:33.56 | Cidan | Ah, WoW economics |
| 17:33.59 | Cidan | How I have missed thee. |
| 17:34.07 | Cidan | Christ, I'm getting the itch to play again. |
| 17:34.12 | Cidan | Must... resist... |
| 17:34.33 | mib_iidbdy16 | the AH and playing the money game is what keeps me in wow... Ulduar and Naxx = w/e |
| 17:34.40 | mib_iidbdy16 | raided too much need break |
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| 17:34.47 | mib_iidbdy16 | AH playing is exciting |
| 17:34.53 | Cidan | Agreed, raiding since release is eh. |
| 17:35.09 | Cidan | I must say though, the most fun I've had raiding was the period I ran BWL/AQ20/AQ40 |
| 17:36.28 | Lunessa | The WoW economy is artificial in lots of ways. Floors on pricing (Vendor buy price), ceilings on some items (Vendor sell price), infinite money supply. Supply of some goods is (practically) infinite, some goods are metered out over time but have otherwise low-cost to acquire. It's an interesting system, but it doesn't compare to real life economies very well. |
| 17:36.48 | mib_iidbdy16 | blacknet this is very true --> purpose is to get more $ for an item than the vendor will buy it for |
| 17:36.55 | Cidan | Now, EVE Online... |
| 17:36.59 | Cidan | There's an economy... |
| 17:37.16 | Cidan | I wonder if my account still has all that ISK. |
| 17:37.19 | mib_iidbdy16 | but the real questions are: how to do it, and how to do it in the midst of competitors : |
| 17:38.52 | jnwhiteh | That was fucking ridiculous. |
| 17:38.53 | mib_iidbdy16 | anyone care to explain the pricing models, the IQR, StdDev, Confidence, etc... in 5yr old terms |
| 17:39.02 | jnwhiteh | 1600 sp, 20k health, have achievements for both heroic and non |
| 17:39.09 | jnwhiteh | and i get kicked from VoA 25 for being "undergeared" |
| 17:39.10 | jnwhiteh | blow me. |
| 17:39.22 | Cidan | D: |
| 17:39.25 | Cidan | Bastards. |
| 17:39.32 | NightHawkTheSan1 | jnwhiteh: people are douches. |
| 17:40.00 | jnwhiteh | that much is obvious |
| 17:40.47 | mib_iidbdy16 | as for the silk I'm still stuck, sell or hold?... If I sell... do I sell as cloth, sell as bolts, sell as crafted items, sell as enchant mats from DEing |
| 17:41.30 | mib_iidbdy16 | FA bandages are not an option as they generate a loss more than 75% of the time |
| 17:42.00 | Mikk | mib_iidbdy16: Can't really be done. You need some background in statistics to understand it all. Suffice to say though, if you don't know what IQR and confidence is, just turn it off |
| 17:42.04 | mib_iidbdy16 | and Jnwhiteh... warlock? |
| 17:42.14 | jnwhiteh | no, resto druid. |
| 17:42.19 | jnwhiteh | the definition of skills > gear |
| 17:42.33 | Mikk | yeah resto druids get to eat that shit a lot |
| 17:42.39 | jnwhiteh | i healed it with 1099 sp |
| 17:42.39 | Mikk | because they dont have any SP boosting talents |
| 17:42.57 | Mikk | they get compared to priests, shamans, .... who HAVE SP boosting talents |
| 17:43.10 | Mikk | and yeah healing is always skill>gear |
| 17:43.19 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 17:43.36 | Duman | hmm |
| 17:43.42 | Duman | 1.5s mount cast times |
| 17:43.47 | mib_iidbdy16 | mikk I have information presented to me... turning it off increases my ignorance... learning it is fun, educational, and I can apply knowledge very well |
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| 17:44.32 | mib_iidbdy16 | can you tell me with what IQR is ? |
| 17:45.14 | Mikk | The interquartile range, i.e. the middle 50% |
| 17:45.43 | Mikk | If it is big, the price spread is big |
| 17:45.50 | Mikk | If it is small, there's not much spread |
| 17:46.08 | Mikk | I.e. if 50% of the prices seen are between 90g and 110g, the IQR is 20g |
| 17:47.08 | mib_iidbdy16 | ah thanks... this was a wee bit confusing --> http://www.stats.gla.ac.uk/steps/glossary/presenting_data.html#iqr |
| 17:51.35 | Adys | What a bunch of shitfaces |
| 17:51.43 | Adys | firefox-3.5 depends upon python2.5 |
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| 17:57.36 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
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| 17:57.58 | Adys | wow |
| 17:58.07 | Adys | i really, really cant wait until chrome full release on nux |
| 17:58.27 | Adys | just need devtools and flash to work now |
| 17:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: uh, on what distro? |
| 17:58.47 | Adys | launchpad PPA |
| 17:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ubuntu can suck it imo =] |
| 17:59.10 | Adys | no |
| 17:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, you'd have a VERY hard time finding a distro that didn't ship python by default |
| 17:59.23 | Adys | ubuntu ships 2.6 by default |
| 17:59.27 | AckisWork | ~seen tuller |
| 17:59.30 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-68-57-187-183.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 18h 59m 41s ago, saying: 'bah'. |
| 17:59.30 | Adys | jaunty that is |
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| 17:59.43 | Adys | REQUIRING 2.5 is complete fucking bullshit |
| 17:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, python 2.5 |
| 17:59.54 | Adys | even if they require python, 2.6 does the job fine |
| 18:00.26 | Adys | now its forcing me to duplicate all my packages |
| 18:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, I wonder where I can get fedora's deptree online |
| 18:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that 3.5 has no deps on python |
| 18:00.53 | Adys | in your mom |
| 18:01.08 | Adys | its probably one of their branding fizz |
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| 18:01.26 | Adys | whatever. as soon as chrome is ready firefox isn't getting anywhere close to my comp |
| 18:04.16 | AckisWork | will chrome support plugins like greasemonkey? |
| 18:04.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost without a doubt no |
| 18:04.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Firefox plugins are javascript and chrome, Gecko's UI toolkit |
| 18:04.44 | Cide | yes |
| 18:04.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, so they are building chrome into, er |
| 18:04.55 | Cide | maybe not the same plugins |
| 18:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds funny |
| 18:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Chrome into Chrome :P |
| 18:05.13 | Cide | http://www.ghacks.net/2008/10/18/google-chrome-adds-greasemonkey-support/ |
| 18:06.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That scares me |
| 18:07.10 | dardack | why can ubuntu suck it? |
| 18:08.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my heavily opinionated stance on the state of linux for "average people" right now |
| 18:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It just isn't a good idea quite yet :P |
| 18:08.18 | dardack | my wife uses it fine |
| 18:08.30 | dardack | i think it's ready if your hardware is support out of the box |
| 18:08.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Until something breaks, and she gets to edit config files in places she's never heard of |
| 18:08.45 | dardack | but i don't care if peole use it or not |
| 18:08.49 | dardack | she's never had to |
| 18:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | My friend installed ubuntu and it has been nothing bug an epic hassle to get configured |
| 18:08.54 | dardack | and i'v never had to |
| 18:09.00 | dardack | for her i mean |
| 18:09.21 | dardack | maybe his hardware wasn't the best supported |
| 18:09.32 | dardack | i bought her a dell laptop with specific specifications |
| 18:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I did the same, just to run linux |
| 18:10.19 | ScytheBlade1 | His is a toshiba laptop from 06 - none of the problems were hardware |
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| 18:10.43 | dardack | than what was the issue with configuration? |
| 18:11.33 | mib_iidbdy16 | Mikk / BlackNet... thanks guys I have lots of reading to do... especially the statistics stuff |
| 18:11.50 | Mikk | What you mostly need to know is what to trust |
| 18:11.51 | mib_iidbdy16 | i got the Histogram, StdDev, Confidence data showing in tool tips now |
| 18:11.58 | Mikk | And it mostly comes down to Market or Purchased |
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| 18:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting X working properly at the right resolution, samba refused to communicate to windows boxes, SSH had some incredibly stupid defaults, he had some strange permissions when using the automount of external USB drives |
| 18:12.16 | mib_iidbdy16 | market price or purchase price? |
| 18:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | The list goes on and on, I know I've missed some |
| 18:12.24 | Mikk | Yeah.. and it differs per item, really |
| 18:12.35 | Mikk | Auctioneer is no replacement for knowledge |
| 18:12.36 | Mikk | It just helps |
| 18:12.48 | mib_iidbdy16 | kool |
| 18:13.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It eventually got to the point where he gave me a user account with sudo access (another stupid idea to secure a system), and I gave him a user account here, so he could connect in to me (his school's firewall prevented me from connecting in) and I could use that tunnel to SSH back into his laptop |
| 18:13.45 | mikma | hey people, haste needs a free, fast US proxy! |
| 18:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Just to fix really stupid problems that, with the ubuntu logic, never should have been there in the first place |
| 18:14.34 | mib_iidbdy16 | hey mikk is there full / complete documentation on every button, feature, option for all of the auctioneer suite? |
| 18:14.43 | mib_iidbdy16 | some where online? |
| 18:14.49 | Mikk | no idea, i just code pieces of it |
| 18:14.52 | Mikk | i don't read docs :P |
| 18:14.59 | Mikk | you want auctioneer-addon.com |
| 18:15.27 | Mikk | but.. full? no, i very much doubt it. the tooltips are probably the fullest documentation there is on each button. |
| 18:16.02 | Mikk | hanging out in #norganna is more likely to get you answers than here though |
| 18:19.10 | mib_iidbdy16 | yeah but i have nooby questions... like what is the difference in hitting the "scan" button in AH and the "get all" button in the AH... i just know scan is much slower and goes page at a time |
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| 18:23.54 | ik0n | does it matter where you declare global variables, as long as it isn't declared in a code block? |
| 18:24.20 | alestane | In what language? Lua? |
| 18:24.25 | ik0n | yes |
| 18:24.29 | Vonhinten | it only matters in terms of global code |
| 18:24.34 | Vonhinten | top down |
| 18:24.52 | alestane | Any time you refer to a token that's not in scope as a local variable, it's assumed to be a global reference. |
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| 18:34.55 | Aelobin | is there an event that fires on arena start other than "CHAT_MSG_BG_SYSTEM_NEUTRAL"? |
| 18:36.47 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/11/funny-pictures-boss-cat-is-giving-you/ |
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| 18:41.15 | Kraps | http://graphjam.com/2009/06/10/song-chart-memes-girls-sleep/ |
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| 18:45.19 | AnduinLothar2 | :( irc hates me |
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| 18:47.03 | zenzelezz | well, you're only getting "Client quit", so it doesn't seem like a connection problem |
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| 18:47.24 | AnduinLothar | ha! I WIN |
| 18:47.36 | AnduinLothar | wouldnt let me ghost myself |
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| 18:57.41 | Zyndrome | blorf |
| 19:01.22 | Kraps | http://graphjam.com/2009/05/28/song-chart-memes-repair-shop/ |
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| 19:21.43 | Cidan | What a boring day |
| 19:21.45 | Cidan | bleh |
| 19:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. Come educate my sheeple, I guarantee you'll have a grand time. |
| 19:22.18 | Cidan | That sounds dirty. |
| 19:22.25 | Cidan | ...I like it. What must I do? |
| 19:24.30 | Lopeppeppy | Teach them to cut and paste. |
| 19:24.32 | Lopeppeppy | Repeatedly. |
| 19:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | Politely. |
| 19:24.38 | Lopeppeppy | With a smile every time. |
| 19:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | It's an impossible job, I should get hazard pay. |
| 19:25.03 | |Jelly| | <+Lopeppeppy> Politely. <-- You lost me there |
| 19:25.13 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: where's the any key? |
| 19:26.17 | ik0n | what's the command to click a button from the chat frame? |
| 19:26.19 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: You're a teacher for computer basics? |
| 19:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | Bend over Ackis, my foot will show you. |
| 19:26.28 | ik0n | e.g. /script mailglyph:rbutton:Click() |
| 19:26.33 | kneeki | ik0n: Click() |
| 19:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki: I'm not. That's the entire issue. I'm a web development coordinator, I help them build web pages... but they don't even know how to cut and paste, it's pathetic. |
| 19:26.48 | AckisWork | lol Lopeppeppy |
| 19:26.50 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.00 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: Oh my! Hahaha |
| 19:28.17 | ik0n | shouldn't /script <addonName>:<buttonName>:Click() work? |
| 19:28.28 | kneeki | ik0n: uhh, no |
| 19:28.32 | kneeki | button:Click() |
| 19:29.21 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: make fun all you want but EVEN YOU DONT KNOW WHERE THE ANY KEY IS |
| 19:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | I do. Bend over and my foot will show you. |
| 19:29.35 | Cidan | You have to find the global object for the button it self, either through some sort of reference or a global variable. |
| 19:29.59 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: nah, just have them sit at their computer and stand behind them |
| 19:30.14 | Esamynn | then put a hand to the back of their head and smash it against the keyboard |
| 19:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | Boot to the head!! |
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| 19:34.44 | Cidan | and so to my cat mittens, I leave my entire vast boot to the head! |
| 19:36.11 | Kraps | http://graphjam.com/2009/05/07/song-chart-memes-out-proportion/ |
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| 19:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | I am in gift hell. Other than Think Geek, what are other good sources for random geeky gifts? *tragic sigh* |
| 19:43.38 | durcyn | does the giftee have an amazon wishlist? |
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| 19:43.44 | ScytheBlade1 | money? |
| 19:43.56 | cog|work | gift cert for newegg? |
| 19:43.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, but it hasn't been updated in about 6 months, so it's iffy to get anything from there. |
| 19:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | I could, ScytheBlade1 and cog|work, but I'm trying to be at least somewhat "I thought about this" abut it. |
| 19:45.49 | cog|work | http://www.thecybercube.com/ |
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| 19:46.39 | Lopeppeppy | That's totally odd, cog! Bookmarked! |
| 19:46.50 | cog|work | i can't put mine down |
| 19:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | that's kinda neat |
| 19:47.40 | cog|work | lots of neat vids on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoLmAyTNRtY&feature=PlayList&p=77D76C4925109D72&index=0&playnext=1 |
| 19:48.53 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof, does not mix well with cell phone or laptop... I think I'll avoid that, he's absent minded and would erase his hard drive or something. |
| 19:51.39 | kneeki | wow those are crazy cool |
| 19:52.48 | cog|work | could probably make a killing with these things at flea markets |
| 19:53.22 | AckisWork | throwing the balls at people? |
| 19:53.38 | cog|work | lol or handing them out to toddlers |
| 19:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 19:54.17 | cog|work | tiny super magnets + digestive tract = lose |
| 19:55.26 | Lunessa | Every time cog links that I keep thinking I need to go buy one ... and I never do it. |
| 19:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | Because you value your computers, Lunessa. :) |
| 19:56.50 | cog|work | heh... they're not as dangerous as they have to claim they are |
| 19:57.20 | Lunessa | No, because I know that I'd become obsessed, spending every waking moment fiddling with it and crooning "my precious." |
| 19:57.27 | cog|work | as long as you're not purposefully aligning them the magnetic fields don't go out more than a foot or so |
| 19:57.50 | cog|work | btw: there's a 10% off promo code for thecybercube.com: PoisonStinger (via one of the youtube vids) |
| 19:58.33 | Lunessa | My precious. MINE. MINE! GOLLUM! GOLLUM! |
| 20:00.06 | zenzelezz | one of these days I'm going to remember that Windows acts funny with more than one "USB Mass Storage" device connected at a time |
| 20:00.24 | cog|work | does it? |
| 20:00.29 | cog|work | i've never had a problem... |
| 20:00.53 | cog|work | 2 usb dongles and a card reader at home work fine for me |
| 20:00.55 | zenzelezz | cog|work: it may just be with my front USB ports |
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| 20:01.02 | zenzelezz | and also only certain devices |
| 20:01.25 | zenzelezz | but having my Creative Zen V connected while connecting for example my EOS 450D made Windows only see the Zen |
| 20:01.30 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: sounds like a voltage problem on the connectors then |
| 20:02.06 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: no, the issue is the same if I connect the camera at the back of the computer while the Zen is connected at the front. I think there's just something other iffy about my front connectors |
| 20:02.29 | Esamynn | sounds like a hardware issue |
| 20:02.30 | Lunessa | ... Same issue, different location. |
| 20:03.13 | cog|work | chipset drivers perhaps? |
| 20:03.15 | zenzelezz | either way, I love this camera. Can take huge, quality photos without taking much skill |
| 20:03.25 | Esamynn | also, the camera probably isn't drawing any power from the usb port |
| 20:03.26 | zenzelezz | cog|work: a likely possibility |
| 20:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, everypeople. |
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| 20:03.51 | cog|work | bios update might even fix it |
| 20:03.58 | cog|work | if it's not HW |
| 20:04.21 | cog|work | can you dual-boot to some other os? |
| 20:04.32 | zenzelezz | if I wasn't so lazy I'd research it, but I'm guessing I'll be upgrading anyway around the time Win7 is released |
| 20:05.14 | zenzelezz | cog|work: I could probably insert another HDD and install something there, but it's not much of an issue. I don't tend to have more than one "storage" device connected anyway |
| 20:05.39 | Esamynn | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 20:05.39 | purl | slaps zenzelezz upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 20:06.02 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, did you just buy it? |
| 20:06.23 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: which part, the camera? |
| 20:06.29 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, yes |
| 20:06.32 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 20:06.46 | Thunder_Child | you didnt want thw T1i? |
| 20:06.50 | Thunder_Child | the* |
| 20:07.03 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty clueless about cameras really |
| 20:07.17 | Thunder_Child | the 500D |
| 20:07.27 | Thunder_Child | since it is out |
| 20:07.28 | zenzelezz | my father, who's into this sort of thing, has been oogling the 450 for long enough, so I figured it's good enough for me |
| 20:07.47 | Thunder_Child | Le Sigh |
| 20:08.20 | zenzelezz | the 500D was also $430 more than the 450 |
| 20:08.58 | Thunder_Child | $200 actually |
| 20:09.07 | zenzelezz | no, I just checked the webshop |
| 20:09.17 | zenzelezz | prices over here aren't always the same as over there |
| 20:09.28 | Thunder_Child | oh, right |
| 20:09.44 | AckisWork | you know I start day dreaming at work, and end up fucking my mind up |
| 20:09.49 | AckisWork | it's trippy |
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| 20:09.59 | jnwhiteh | 450d |
| 20:09.59 | jnwhiteh | imo :P |
| 20:10.13 | jnwhiteh | but i had no need for the HD video :P |
| 20:10.19 | Thunder_Child | comparision http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos450d%2Ccanon_eos500d&show=all |
| 20:10.19 | jnwhiteh | i just bought my 450d, its lovely |
| 20:10.22 | zenzelezz | yeah, it's plenty enough for my needs |
| 20:10.24 | jnwhiteh | but it today |
| 20:10.31 | jnwhiteh | and get the telephoto for 200 off |
| 20:10.37 | Thunder_Child | i want what Shirik|Ghost is getting |
| 20:10.41 | jnwhiteh | and the telephoto is so nic |
| 20:13.25 | Thunder_Child | no jnwhiteh the video is moot but you might have wanted the extended ISO |
| 20:13.39 | jnwhiteh | it goes to 3200, right? |
| 20:13.45 | Thunder_Child | 12800 |
| 20:13.49 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 20:13.50 | jnwhiteh | srsly? |
| 20:13.58 | Thunder_Child | "Auto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200 (6400-12800 expandable) " |
| 20:17.29 | Kraps | OMG CATERING "there will be portal in Stormwind and Orgrimmar leading directly to the Stair of Destiny at the Dark Portal." |
| 20:17.34 | Thunder_Child | thats nice, now there is a TP to the dark portal |
| 20:17.57 | AckisWork | I just don't see how it's all that beneficial |
| 20:18.07 | AckisWork | there's a lot of other things that I would find better |
| 20:18.15 | Thunder_Child | so you dont have to fly to blasted lands? |
| 20:18.50 | AckisWork | but you do that what? once per character? |
| 20:19.10 | Thunder_Child | no... |
| 20:19.22 | Hirsute | There's a what to the dark portal? |
| 20:19.26 | Hirsute | A teleport? |
| 20:19.27 | AckisWork | and even then it's not too bad, boat to bootybay, zep to grom'gol etc |
| 20:20.01 | Thunder_Child | but now you dont have to |
| 20:20.01 | AckisWork | I'm not against it at all Thunder_Child, just I can think of other things that would make things faster for me |
| 20:20.17 | Kraps | you guys are missing the best part: looking for CTC posts (i just brilliantly came up with that) |
| 20:20.41 | Thunder_Child | yes AckisWork, but i'm not sure that what you want is going to happen. so figure this as a win |
| 20:20.58 | AckisWork | true Thunder_Child (just want to reiterate that I'm not against it :P) |
| 20:21.12 | AckisWork | the only QQ I make is pally's get raid wide 30 minute buffs |
| 20:21.19 | AckisWork | when I had to do 5 minute buffs on 40 people :P |
| 20:21.23 | AckisWork | *grumbles* |
| 20:21.31 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 20:22.03 | AckisWork | they should have made a quest like the first aid one where you have to save X number of people... you have to buff 40 people with 5 minute buffs to learn the new raid wide 30 minute one :P |
| 20:22.11 | AckisWork | is smrt |
| 20:22.26 | Thunder_Child | what 5min buffs? |
| 20:22.50 | AckisWork | you don't remember pallys having 5 minute blessings/ |
| 20:22.57 | neotron | good old times |
| 20:23.01 | Thunder_Child | way back in the day |
| 20:23.03 | Thunder_Child | but not now |
| 20:23.06 | AckisWork | I know |
| 20:24.39 | Lunessa | I'm all for making the game less tedious. I mean, how many times do you enjoy the flight from Ironforge to Menithil? |
| 20:25.09 | Kraps | its not that far |
| 20:25.37 | Thunder_Child | so if i get this right you are QQ'ing because other people dont have to go though the same hell you did AckisWork? |
| 20:25.49 | AckisWork | I was being sarcastic :P |
| 20:25.54 | AckisWork | facepalms. |
| 20:26.07 | Thunder_Child | " AckisWork: *grumbles*" is hardly sarcasm |
| 20:26.08 | Lunessa | He had to walk 30 miles to school, in the snow, uphill, BOTH WAYS. :P |
| 20:26.12 | Thunder_Child | to me anyway |
| 20:26.33 | AckisWork | feh |
| 20:26.56 | Lunessa | Hyperbole for sarcasm. Mmmmm |
| 20:27.22 | Kraps | Thunder_Child has read too many "ZOMG LVL 2O MOUNTS CASUALS RITE OF PASSAGE" posts methinks :) |
| 20:27.29 | Fisker | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:27.31 | Hirsute | And a new Zeppelin for the hordies so they never have to walk between any of their major cities! *clap clap... clap... clap......* |
| 20:27.38 | Fisker | everyone remember to report AckisWork |
| 20:27.43 | Fisker | he's not eligible for the battle-bot pet |
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| 20:28.09 | AckisWork | Hirsute: it's the same as the tram between IF/SW IMO, although IF/SW is a helluva harder walk |
| 20:28.11 | AckisWork | ~Fisker++ |
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| 20:28.34 | AckisWork | why aren't you Fisker-? |
| 20:28.57 | Hirsute | AckisWork: Aye, but that's the *only* place Alliance have that convenience |
| 20:29.25 | AckisWork | lets not get into comparisons, there's benefits for both factions :P |
| 20:29.30 | Tem|work | Horde already had a "tram" it was the zepplin from UC to Org |
| 20:29.45 | Hirsute | Had someone join our guild the other day that had only played horde before who was qqing about what a pain it was to get between cities on Alliance side. |
| 20:29.51 | Tem|work | and UC got a teleport to silvermoon which I never understood |
| 20:29.55 | Hirsute | Made me laugh, thinking about the old druid waterform quest. |
| 20:29.57 | Tem|work | why does Darn have one for sexodar? |
| 20:30.05 | Hirsute | Tem|work: No |
| 20:30.20 | Tem|work | that was supposed to be doesn't |
| 20:30.23 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 20:30.32 | AckisWork | Tem|work: they got the Silvermoon/UC teleport because in order for them to run from there you had to go through a level 55 zone |
| 20:30.41 | Tem|work | cry more? |
| 20:30.49 | Tem|work | Wetlands may as well be a level 100 zone when you're level 5 |
| 20:30.57 | AckisWork | I'm just stating why they got the portal |
| 20:30.57 | Kraps | Tem|work: yeah, Sexodar *female Draenei* |
| 20:31.14 | Tem|work | OH |
| 20:31.19 | Kraps | :D |
| 20:31.21 | Tem|work | they changed the boats didn't they |
| 20:31.31 | Tem|work | you don't have to run through wetlands anymore |
| 20:31.38 | AckisWork | nope |
| 20:31.43 | Hirsute | Did they? That's a pleasant change. |
| 20:32.01 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Aye, looks like that change was made in 3.0 |
| 20:32.18 | durcyn | it's still there for theramore, but the darkshore boat goes to stormwind |
| 20:32.31 | AckisWork | the biggest thing I saw when I switched from alliance -> horde (remember pre-bc) was the MC runs were more annoying, alliance has MC/BWL just outside their main city at the time (IF) where we had to meet in kalimdor... and that was minor |
| 20:32.36 | Hirsute | Nice. Would be nice for druids, but they have it even better now that they don't have to do the stupid run all over the world water form quest. |
| 20:32.54 | AckisWork | apparently you get class travel forms at level 16 now |
| 20:33.24 | Tem|work | lame |
| 20:33.42 | Hirsute | Interesting. Is that just for druids/shammies, or is it also for Pallies/Locks who summon their own mounts? |
| 20:33.43 | Tem|work | I'm confused about the flight at 60 part |
| 20:33.52 | Hirsute | Tem|work: What's confusing? |
| 20:33.55 | Tem|work | most like druids/shamans only |
| 20:34.01 | Tem|work | they list the flight speed as 150% |
| 20:34.13 | Tem|work | that's not what the current first tier of mounts are |
| 20:34.24 | Tem|work | unless I'm wrong they're 160% just like land mounts |
| 20:34.29 | Tem|work | BUT |
| 20:34.35 | Tem|work | they listed the land mounts as 60^ |
| 20:34.36 | AckisWork | Hirsute: druid/shaman/hunter I would think |
| 20:34.37 | Tem|work | 60%* |
| 20:34.58 | Tem|work | so it would seem that regular flight just got a lot faster |
| 20:35.05 | AckisWork | it did |
| 20:35.09 | Tem|work | ... for no apparent reason |
| 20:35.17 | AckisWork | to speed up leveling in outland |
| 20:35.26 | Hirsute | Tem|work: The reg. flyer goes 150% in the air and 60% on the ground. Was it not that way before? (I've been on my epic flyer for a while now) |
| 20:35.27 | Tem|work | outland is where leveling gets easy! |
| 20:35.38 | durcyn | it was 60% both |
| 20:35.41 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 20:35.45 | durcyn | should've been 150 in the air from day 1 |
| 20:36.40 | Tem|work | it's the 58 levels of JUST PURE AWFUL before outland that are hard |
| 20:38.07 | Vonhinten | Even without the first 79 levels, there's still too much to do to get a toon to a decent level... I wish they'd put in upgraded badge gear, like Sunwell offensive |
| 20:38.23 | Vonhinten | a decent level=a decent point |
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| 20:39.39 | AckisWork | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/17779677826-confirmation-on-druid-mount-changes.html |
| 20:39.55 | Vonhinten | Would be nice to be able to get a fresh 80 into Naxx and farming stuff pretty easily without making the raids take 5+ hours |
| 20:40.35 | Cidan | wow |
| 20:40.45 | Cidan | flight form at 60 |
| 20:41.09 | AckisWork | OMG druids got nerfed |
| 20:41.23 | Hirsute | How did druids get nerfed? |
| 20:41.33 | Cidan | They just did |
| 20:41.35 | Aelobin | travel form in 10-19 wsg is gonna make things fairly different xD |
| 20:41.49 | Vonhinten | druid flight has been nerfed for a while... crusader aura doesn't work on htem |
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| 20:41.55 | Vonhinten | them, the only class |
| 20:41.57 | durcyn | ghost wolf is 16 as well, no? |
| 20:42.39 | Nechckn | what about Aspect of the pack, will that be like level 5 now? =) |
| 20:43.12 | Kraps | heh |
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| 20:43.49 | Esamynn | durcyn: 20 iirc |
| 20:44.05 | Nechckn | why don't they just bite the bullet and allow you to pick level 1 or 55 when starting a new character? |
| 20:44.23 | Nechckn | that way, folks who want to keep things sort of the same could do so |
| 20:44.23 | Esamynn | wait, WTF |
| 20:44.25 | Kraps | wts the guy who turned Aspect of the pack on to go faster between mob packs in UK AND DIDNT TURN IT OFF |
| 20:44.51 | Esamynn | Flight Form: Requires level 60 (150% flight speed) <-- they are making regular flying mounts faster than epic ground mounts?!?! whoa, big time! |
| 20:45.17 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 20:45.32 | Nechckn | Caw, caw, caw! |
| 20:45.34 | Cidan | unless they modify ground mount speeds too |
| 20:45.55 | neotron | about time if you ask me |
| 20:46.21 | Esamynn | well, you have to admit, Storm Peaks would be *PAINFUL* on a regular flying mount |
| 20:46.27 | Nechckn | it makes sense that the flying mounts would be faster, just from a less chance of hitting crap point of view |
| 20:46.41 | Esamynn | Icecrown too, though maybe not quite as much |
| 20:47.36 | Esamynn | the 60% flight speed wasn't so bad in Outland, nothing there was designed with flying mounts being used for more than access to certain areas primarily |
| 20:47.55 | Esamynn | Icecrown and Storm Peaks, however, are designed around moving around with a flying mount |
| 20:48.01 | Nechckn | true... but it just sort of sounds right, to me anyway. |
| 20:48.37 | AckisWork | Esamynn: could you even do SP w/o a flying mount? |
| 20:48.43 | Esamynn | no |
| 20:48.55 | Nechckn | I think equal to epic ground mounts would be better but... sounds like someone got their way on the dev team, suddenly. |
| 20:49.48 | Esamynn | but anyone who hits 77, should be able to afford a regular flying mount, I would thing |
| 20:49.50 | Esamynn | think* |
| 20:50.18 | Nechckn | "Tim, you know what we need?" "No, what?" "More POWER!!!" |
| 20:50.44 | Esamynn | ok, where is that from? |
| 20:50.54 | AckisWork | tooltime |
| 20:51.15 | Esamynn | right, I was thinking of that actor |
| 20:52.26 | Nechckn | I was thinking more the Blizz Board Room. But, the Tooltime reference fit in ever-so-well. |
| 20:53.16 | Nechckn | Home Improvement Tim Allen |
| 20:53.24 | Esamynn | nods |
| 20:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | If you don't have a flying mount when you hit SP, you're given a loaner |
| 20:56.12 | neotron | Esamynn: had a level 80 who'd been l80 for a while.. who didn't have flying in nortrhend yet |
| 20:56.45 | Esamynn | really? |
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| 20:57.36 | Magdain | It's possible with the K3 fat kid's mount. |
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| 21:00.28 | Esamynn | neotron: I guess that's why the total cost of a regular flying mount in northrend is coming down to 1715 |
| 21:00.46 | Esamynn | (including buying each level of mount on the way up) |
| 21:01.19 | Magdain | Including Northrend flying? |
| 21:01.35 | Magdain | Err, cold weather. Same thing. |
| 21:01.47 | Esamynn | yes |
| 21:01.49 | Thunder_Child | cold weather isnt changing afaik |
| 21:02.01 | Esamynn | no, I haven't seen any change to Cold Weather |
| 21:02.06 | Hirsute | It is not |
| 21:02.11 | Hirsute | But everything up to that point is. |
| 21:02.26 | Magdain | Ah, shame. Gonna be leveling a new char soon that's got epic flying already. |
| 21:02.30 | Magdain | 1K isn't bad though. |
| 21:02.31 | Esamynn | not epic flyer, not that I've seen anyways |
| 21:02.45 | Esamynn | oh, faction discounts! |
| 21:03.06 | Esamynn | boring |
| 21:03.15 | Thunder_Child | they really should clarify which faction goes to which discount |
| 21:03.19 | Hirsute | Esamynn: 20% is still a nice discount, though. |
| 21:03.29 | Esamynn | Hirsute: you misunderstand |
| 21:03.42 | Esamynn | I'm not sure I like faction discounts on the epic flyer :P |
| 21:03.49 | Hirsute | Ah. I sure do. |
| 21:04.42 | neotron | Esamynn: it's pretty fail - you make a lot more than what's required just from leveling |
| 21:04.55 | Esamynn | that's what I thought |
| 21:05.05 | neotron | he must have spent a lot on the way up on crap |
| 21:05.20 | Hirsute | On crap? |
| 21:05.24 | Hirsute | *shrug* |
| 21:06.09 | Esamynn | put up your hand if you have a character that bought at least one mount/riding skill at the *ORIGINAL* price |
| 21:06.12 | Esamynn | raises hand |
| 21:06.18 | Hirsute | I like to level my professions as I go, and sometimes spend some money that way, but in general, any time something in game that you buy from a ve |
| 21:06.21 | Esamynn | sorry, at EACH level |
| 21:06.23 | Hirsute | raises hand |
| 21:06.27 | durcyn | Esamynn: i meant with the 3.2 changes |
| 21:06.30 | AckisWork | raises a hand. |
| 21:06.34 | Hirsute | *vender gets cheaper, I like it. |
| 21:06.39 | Cidan | puts his hand up |
| 21:06.41 | Hirsute | s/vender/vendor/ |
| 21:06.55 | AckisWork | I also did the pally mount quest before they nerfed it with increasing the prisitne black diamond drops |
| 21:07.08 | Cidan | I got my epic paladin mount when you still had to do the huge quest line/chain to get it. |
| 21:07.17 | Cidan | Christ that was a pain in the ass. |
| 21:07.18 | Esamynn | let's see, original normal was what, 100g?, epic 1000g? |
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| 21:07.22 | AckisWork | yes and they even nerfed that :P |
| 21:07.26 | Esamynn | normal flying was 800g? |
| 21:07.29 | Hirsute | Esamynn: *nod* |
| 21:07.31 | Cralor` | lol can they get any easier on the mounts |
| 21:07.34 | AckisWork | Esamynn: yes, but faction discounts applied |
| 21:07.42 | Hirsute | Cralor`: Sure, they could just give them away. |
| 21:07.45 | Esamynn | though I got the discount for regular flight form ;) |
| 21:07.46 | AckisWork | Esamynn: plus the sergants discount |
| 21:07.51 | Cralor` | Hirsute: no fun! |
| 21:08.06 | Hirsute | Cralor`: I'd think it was awesome. *shrug* |
| 21:08.12 | AckisWork | (IMO they need to add it back into the game, if you're a srg or higher, you get another 10% off) |
| 21:08.19 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:08.29 | Cralor` | that would require the titles back in place too :P |
| 21:08.30 | Esamynn | people would cry foul |
| 21:08.33 | Esamynn | big time |
| 21:08.41 | AckisWork | Cralor`: I have my title :P |
| 21:08.44 | AckisWork | Esamynn: I know :( |
| 21:09.00 | Cralor` | AckisWork: that's the point :D it's not just for you ;P |
| 21:09.16 | AckisWork | Cralor`: consider it a veteran reward |
| 21:09.22 | Cralor` | true |
| 21:09.27 | Cralor` | I got at least Scout :) |
| 21:09.46 | Bruners | what about the death knights! |
| 21:09.47 | Cralor` | oh they even increases the speeds! |
| 21:09.51 | Cralor` | sick |
| 21:09.54 | Esamynn | aye |
| 21:10.05 | Esamynn | original reference post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730154175&sid=1 |
| 21:10.12 | Cralor` | ya looking at zam |
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| 21:10.46 | AckisWork | Esamynn: write up a comprehensive list of mount changes and reply to that post :P |
| 21:11.00 | Esamynn | you mean historical? |
| 21:11.27 | AckisWork | yes |
| 21:11.43 | ik0n | How can I tell if the mouse cursor is hoving over my button? |
| 21:11.50 | AckisWork | the good ole days when epic mounts were 1k gold and boe |
| 21:11.52 | ik0n | hovering* |
| 21:11.57 | Esamynn | I'd have to reference the patch notes, to be 100% accurate |
| 21:12.57 | Esamynn | "because the leveling process from 1-80 seems too daunting after flying around Northrend grabbing purples for a while." |
| 21:13.03 | Cidan | ik0n: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 21:13.12 | Esamynn | they hand out epics waay too easily these days |
| 21:13.21 | Esamynn | purple is the new blue |
| 21:13.28 | AckisWork | yes |
| 21:13.43 | Nechckn | indeed |
| 21:13.50 | Hirsute | I disagree |
| 21:13.55 | Cidan | I agree. |
| 21:14.03 | Cidan | Purple is in fact, the new blue. |
| 21:14.10 | Cidan | Need m0ar orange, imo. |
| 21:14.11 | Esamynn | they should make some ilevel 213 and 226 blues |
| 21:14.16 | Nechckn | make a DK... obtain full set of goodies |
| 21:14.28 | Hirsute | of blues, not purples |
| 21:14.30 | Codayus | Purple is the new blue, yes. Whether that's good or bad...is unclear. |
| 21:14.36 | AckisWork | it used to be "I has purplez I r good" now it doesn't mean that :( |
| 21:14.46 | Hirsute | AckisWork: Which I believe is a good change. |
| 21:14.50 | Esamynn | I don't understand why blues have to top out at the current expansions lowest level epics |
| 21:14.52 | durcyn | i don't see where 'good' or 'bad' come into play |
| 21:14.54 | durcyn | it's a bloody game |
| 21:14.56 | Esamynn | item level wise |
| 21:15.25 | Hirsute | Anything that reduces the epeening in the game finds a place on my list of "good changes" |
| 21:15.31 | Nechckn | Hirsute right, but make any other character and you get whites... It's just the necessary inflation to keep things "interesting" |
| 21:16.08 | Codayus | I think the new focus on epic ilvl is better than the old focus on epic/not epic. |
| 21:16.19 | Esamynn | why? |
| 21:16.21 | Nechckn | now they just need content and servers able to handle the load |
| 21:17.21 | Cidan | I just want everyone to know |
| 21:17.24 | Cidan | I fucking hate you all. |
| 21:17.28 | AckisWork | Codayus: I would disagree with you there |
| 21:17.30 | Cidan | Christ, I want to play WoW so bad now. |
| 21:17.31 | Esamynn | ~lart Cidan |
| 21:17.31 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Cidan |
| 21:17.38 | Nechckn | So, they already have people who cannot get into instances for a few hours, or more, in a given day.. so they are going to push even more into that area? |
| 21:17.40 | AckisWork | ~rlart |
| 21:17.41 | purl | whacks Shefki upside the head |
| 21:18.45 | Esamynn | Nechckn: wasn't there a problem with TBC instance chests (they hotfix removed them), that was part of that problem? |
| 21:19.04 | Esamynn | ie. has the situation improved in the last few days? |
| 21:19.13 | AckisWork | Esamynn: that's what I assumed, but they never came out and said it, they just said there was an exploit and they removed it. |
| 21:19.19 | AckisWork | I haven't tried a normal instance yet however |
| 21:19.26 | Nechckn | improved... but not all the way. At least from what I've heard. |
| 21:20.08 | Hirsute | What was the exploit? What was the problem with the chests? |
| 21:20.13 | Esamynn | dunno |
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| 21:20.25 | Esamynn | all I know is that they removed all the non-boss TBC instance chests |
| 21:20.45 | Nechckn | No more boobies... |
| 21:20.49 | AckisWork | you probably could get the chests without having to kill anything and you rinsed/repeated |
| 21:20.52 | Nechckn | err... chests, chests!!! |
| 21:21.00 | Esamynn | ~lart Nechckn |
| 21:21.00 | purl | offers Nechckn some herring |
| 21:21.06 | AckisWork | ~rlart |
| 21:21.07 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on mojosdojo |
| 21:21.10 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 21:21.44 | Nechckn | AckisWork could be |
| 21:22.00 | Hirsute | Kind of like when I farmed.... Shadow Labs, I think, for a recipe. Solo, because you just had to get in to one mob, which could be done without aggroing others, and that particular mob wasn't hard to kill. |
| 21:22.27 | Nechckn | and likely a ton of people doing the same thing |
| 21:22.34 | Esamynn | "Players can receive discounts on expert and artisan flight skills with Honor Hold or Valiance Expedition faction for the Alliance, and Thrallmar or Warsong Offensive faction for the Horde. " |
| 21:22.43 | Esamynn | Northrend rep for artisan riding |
| 21:22.46 | Hirsute | Oh, nice. They clariied. |
| 21:23.05 | Hirsute | *clarified |
| 21:23.12 | Nechckn | Now I need to stop leveling until this damned thing comes out |
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| 21:23.19 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:23.21 | BlackNet | whats coming out? |
| 21:23.32 | Esamynn | original reference post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730154175&sid=1 |
| 21:23.33 | Hirsute | The mount changes, BlackNet |
| 21:23.36 | Nechckn | I have 3 guys at different levels who can use the new mounts, damn it |
| 21:23.53 | Hirsute | I should tell my wife to hold off on her epic flyer |
| 21:24.05 | Nechckn | Indeed, Hirsute |
| 21:24.13 | AckisWork | http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/Ev1Lsh4e/WoWScrnShot_061109_151321.jpg <-- is that good? |
| 21:24.15 | Hirsute | Nechckn: *nod* I've got two sitting at level 50-52 right now that will be happy to grab their epic ground mounts. |
| 21:24.20 | Nechckn | Well.. it all depends on whether this is "long term" or short. |
| 21:24.46 | Nechckn | the fact it was announced makes it seem more "sooner" than later |
| 21:24.50 | Esamynn | I'd say the chances of 3.2 before Blizzcon are 50/50 |
| 21:25.08 | Nechckn | Day one of Blizzcon!!! |
| 21:25.10 | Codayus | Having Bliz announce changes you'd really like to see is always a mixed blessing. |
| 21:25.11 | Nechckn | ahahahhahhaha |
| 21:25.22 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:25.23 | AckisWork | didn't 3.02 come out like right after blizzcon? |
| 21:25.24 | Esamynn | not likely |
| 21:25.24 | Codayus | One the one hand - yay, changes! On the other hand, it just makes the patch seem to take *forever*... |
| 21:25.38 | Nechckn | Very much so, Codayus |
| 21:26.02 | Esamynn | was it the first or 2nd Tuesday after BlizzCon? |
| 21:26.09 | Nechckn | Although.. this isn't so much content, as things that could be changed relatively easily, no? |
| 21:26.24 | durcyn | huh? it's a lot of content, argent coliseum and such |
| 21:26.26 | Nechckn | Plus, they've been patching much more frequently as of late |
| 21:26.38 | durcyn | it counts as a major patch |
| 21:26.48 | durcyn | if it was just the mount stuff it'd be 3.1.x |
| 21:26.48 | Nechckn | I thought it was just the mount crap |
| 21:26.52 | durcyn | negagtive |
| 21:26.55 | Nechckn | Now I'lll need to go look |
| 21:27.02 | durcyn | -g |
| 21:27.39 | Nechckn | I keep seeing that one that Esamynn linked so hadn't bothered to dig around more |
| 21:28.00 | durcyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.2.0 |
| 21:28.11 | Esamynn | at this point we know 3.2 includes: a new BG, the Argent Coliseum, new Druid Forms (Bear and Cat), Mount Changes, |
| 21:28.41 | neotron | DK nerfs, don't forget those |
| 21:28.48 | BlackNet | what type of mount changes? |
| 21:28.51 | Hirsute | Slight hunter buffs |
| 21:28.55 | Codayus | Other misc travel changes - new portals, zepplin, reduced level req for ghost wolf and travel forms... |
| 21:29.06 | Hirsute | BlackNet: read ->> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730154175&sid=1 |
| 21:29.09 | Esamynn | smacks BlackNet over the head with http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730154175&sid=1 |
| 21:29.17 | BlackNet | thanks |
| 21:29.32 | Nechckn | Now that is an interesting idea "Then make the mounts heirloom and let us use them on our alts....make the newbs to it the right way. " |
| 21:29.45 | BlackNet | they going to remove the gay colors from the mounts? |
| 21:29.46 | Nechckn | I think that would be more the way to go |
| 21:29.55 | AckisWork | Nechckn: I already have a BoA mount... |
| 21:30.09 | Nechckn | and your level 20 is riding it? |
| 21:30.14 | Esamynn | Nechckn: they made the mounts themselves cheap as dirt... |
| 21:30.14 | AckisWork | not yet |
| 21:30.20 | Hirsute | Nah. I like this way just fine. |
| 21:30.25 | BlackNet | hmm reducing the cost of the mounts. |
| 21:30.27 | Hirsute | What's the BoA mount? |
| 21:30.33 | AckisWork | blizzcon bear! |
| 21:30.37 | Esamynn | Big Blizzard Bear! =D |
| 21:30.39 | Hirsute | Ah, *dur* |
| 21:30.46 | AckisWork | ~rlart |
| 21:30.47 | purl | judo chops ColinT |
| 21:30.51 | AckisWork | I love rlart |
| 21:30.58 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap AckisWork |
| 21:30.59 | purl | ACTION beats AckisWork upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:31.07 | AckisWork | lart rhymes with fart, which is what I have to do right now. |
| 21:31.08 | Codayus | BlackNet: And significant changes to level reqs, which is honestly a much larger change. Also changing non-epic flying mount speed, I think? |
| 21:31.24 | Hirsute | The flying speed of it, yes |
| 21:31.36 | durcyn | 225 becomes 150% in the air, yes |
| 21:31.42 | Hirsute | I wish they'd have let the reg. flyer go epic ground speed. |
| 21:31.48 | durcyn | which i still maintain should have been there the day BC was released |
| 21:31.48 | Nechckn | super turbo for non epic flyers =) |
| 21:31.49 | Hirsute | But I'll take what they're giving. |
| 21:31.52 | BlackNet | ok so im going to wait for the patch bdfore i get the next mount |
| 21:32.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | might be waiting a while. |
| 21:32.08 | durcyn | Hirsute: name one place in outland where you can mount but not fly |
| 21:32.10 | BlackNet | am 56 now and was dreading getting the next mount for cost and how gay it looks |
| 21:32.33 | BlackNet | was told the mount and trainng will cost 600 gold |
| 21:32.50 | Hirsute | durcyn: I'm not aware of any. That said, sometimes, it's more convenient to run to avoid aggroing the flying baddies. |
| 21:33.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | where are there flying enemies anywhere that anyone cares about in outland? |
| 21:33.30 | Hirsute | And besides, my most recent experience with it was my time from 77 to weeks after 80 building up the 5k in Northrend |
| 21:33.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Roofel (n=chatzill@c845245C1.dhcp.bluecom.no) |
| 21:33.41 | Nechckn | lol, thanks for pointing out there'd be more to the patch |
| 21:33.49 | Esamynn | heh |
| 21:33.55 | Nechckn | damn, I was wondering why it was going to be 3.2 tbh |
| 21:33.58 | Nechckn | now I see why |
| 21:34.11 | Esamynn | Nechckn: anything without 3 numbers is a major content patch :P |
| 21:34.14 | Roofel | Hmm, anyone familiar with what "bit_bor" does in addons? :< |
| 21:34.21 | Codayus | Ogri'la daily area has anti-air cannons and large dragons, althrough you have to be exceptionally unlucky and oblivious to fly into a dragon. |
| 21:34.22 | Roofel | Seen it several times yet I got 0 clue what it does |
| 21:34.25 | zenzelezz | binary or |
| 21:34.39 | Hirsute | Codayus: *more than once |
| 21:34.43 | Codayus | Heh |
| 21:34.55 | Esamynn | Codayus: those dragons are a real PITA, you don't even have to be close to them to have them dismount you |
| 21:35.16 | Hirsute | And the anti-air cannons are a great example of one of the times I wished my reg flyer could run at 100% on the ground. |
| 21:35.24 | Nechckn | Just as long as they dont try to *mount* you, all is well. |
| 21:35.25 | Codayus | Yar. |
| 21:35.34 | Nechckn | Because if that happens.... eeeshhh..... |
| 21:35.38 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the dragons are a pain.. but the anti air never bothered me.. |
| 21:35.43 | Esamynn | ~lart Nechckn |
| 21:35.43 | purl | beats Nechckn into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 21:35.45 | Hirsute | But then I just made a macro to pick my ground mount if I held shift. |
| 21:35.46 | Nechckn | You would be begging for a simple dismount |
| 21:36.12 | Roofel | but zenzelezz, what does it do? Its like "bit_bor(COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_PLAYER, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_RAID)" but cant see what it does :P is it almost the same as usual "or"? |
| 21:36.19 | Esamynn | hey nice, a ~lart I haven't seen before |
| 21:36.31 | zenzelezz | Roofel: are you familiar with C-like languages? It's the | operator |
| 21:36.39 | BlackNet | that's going to certainly be a blessing on those mount changes |
| 21:36.51 | Roofel | Havent been much into that lately no :S |
| 21:37.09 | Nechckn | I actually thought that the ghost wolf and travel forms should have been lowered with the lvl 40 mount changes |
| 21:37.22 | neotron | BlackNet: but you are aware it might be another 3-6 months until it's live? |
| 21:37.23 | cog|work | Roofel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwise_operation |
| 21:37.34 | zenzelezz | Roofel: it combines the set bits of each value; so bit.bor(1, 2) would result in 3 (01 | 10 == 11) |
| 21:37.34 | BlackNet | yea im cool with that |
| 21:37.46 | Roofel | Ah |
| 21:38.26 | BlackNet | in the mean time i will work on my faction scores with horde central to get that up and maybe try to go for the black war raptor |
| 21:39.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | leveling with just 60% speed land mount seems so painful.. >.> |
| 21:39.27 | Lunessa | Here we are now, entertain us. And by us, I really mean "Me." |
| 21:39.54 | Esamynn | Lunessa: leech |
| 21:39.55 | BlackNet | you have no idea how painful it is running all over the place is |
| 21:40.07 | Esamynn | BlackNet: yes, yes I do |
| 21:40.09 | BlackNet | moutns at 20 is a good thing |
| 21:40.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ... yes. I do |
| 21:40.21 | Lunessa | Esamynn: Dude, I'm at work. I'm just sharing the misery. |
| 21:40.25 | Kaso | does anyone use arkinventory ? I have a weird bug where the whole interface is greyed out and un-interactable randomly on loading |
| 21:40.30 | Esamynn | Lunessa: :P |
| 21:40.56 | Lunessa | wouldratherbegaming.com |
| 21:41.23 | zenzelezz | that appears not to be registered |
| 21:41.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | And yes, I agree, mounts at 20 and the other changes are good changes. But holding off on buying mounts for ~4+ months because your waiting for a patch.. thats kinda silly to me |
| 21:41.44 | Esamynn | zenzelezz: I'm surprised |
| 21:42.35 | Nechckn | for epic flyer it may be worth it, NightHawkTheSan1 |
| 21:42.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | well, probably there. |
| 21:42.59 | BlackNet | i dont wanna spend 600 gold now when a patch will be out in 3-6 months that allows me to spend 50 |
| 21:43.06 | Nechckn | I have 1 character at that point... luckily I have a whole barn full of alts to work with at other levels heheheh |
| 21:43.17 | Hirsute | ^^^^^ |
| 21:43.32 | Hirsute | And I have an incoming loss of time to play that will slow me down even more |
| 21:43.35 | BlackNet | NightHawkTheSan1 that seems silly? |
| 21:43.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | BlackNet: *shrug* to me, the convenience of 100% mount speed is well worth the 600g, which amounts to less than a weeks worth of daily quests for me |
| 21:43.57 | Roofel | Does "COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_RAID" count the player aswell or do I have to check that for myself? :P |
| 21:44.15 | Lunessa | I have a 4 80s. All with Epic Flyers and Cold Weather Flying. I have 5 Level 60s, all with epic land mounts. Some of them can wait a little longer. |
| 21:44.36 | AckisWork | Lunessa: nerd |
| 21:44.54 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I have 5 80's.. all with CWF/300 riding >.> |
| 21:45.10 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: the fake domain is a game I play with a friend. We send them to each other in IM to express how we feel about the day. my favorite so far is meetingscansuckit.com |
| 21:45.30 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: I've been slacking. |
| 21:45.31 | zenzelezz | meeting scan, suck it? |
| 21:45.42 | Lunessa | meetings can suck it |
| 21:45.53 | zenzelezz | no wait |
| 21:45.57 | zenzelezz | -t |
| 21:46.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lunessa: eh, you've got more 60's than me, beyond those 80's, i've only got 2 ~70ishs and a couple sub-60 alts. |
| 21:46.05 | zenzelezz | impressive, failing at "no wai" |
| 21:46.09 | airtonix | Lunessa, insercommenthere.net |
| 21:46.11 | zenzelezz | maybe I should be glad for that |
| 21:46.18 | zenzelezz | I didn't buy epic ground mount until I entered Zangarmarsh, and I skipped epic flying until I bought cold weather flying |
| 21:46.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | and one of those 70ish's is a dk, which doesn't count |
| 21:46.39 | Lunessa | airtonix: mymemeinfectsyou.net |
| 21:47.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | zenzelezz: same, actuallly, for my toons that leveled 60-80 post-wrath, I didn't buy ANY flying skill until they hit 77 |
| 21:47.47 | Lunessa | Yeah, considering that you'll do BC content through maybe Nagrand, then move to Northrend, you don't *need* flying until 77. |
| 21:47.58 | NightHawkTheSan1 | *nod* |
| 21:48.14 | Lunessa | Unless you are gathering. |
| 21:48.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | nah, not even then |
| 21:48.35 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSan1: well, I was 60 for a long time before BC, and didn't see a need to get epic flying in BC |
| 21:48.57 | NightHawkTheSan1 | zenzelezz: non-epic flying is sooooo slow. :( |
| 21:49.14 | airtonix | as are bc raiders still without epic flying |
| 21:49.19 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSan1: Not for long! |
| 21:49.39 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Hirsute: true! but not yet. :P and still slower than epic flying ;) |
| 21:49.49 | Aelobin | is it normal for GetGuildInfo("PLAYER") to return nil after PLAYER_LOGOUT ? :/ |
| 21:49.58 | Hirsute | True, true. |
| 21:50.48 | zenzelezz | while we're speaking of odd domain names, a coworker of mine registered teninchtrainofpain.com but can't decide what to use it for (except mail) |
| 21:51.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | o_0 does anyone think this is a little.. late? http://blue.mmo-champion.com/12/9521025465-1106-new-dungeons-pages-added.html |
| 21:51.35 | Hirsute | Hehe |
| 21:52.25 | zenzelezz | why on earth do they use a Flash to show the "L" on the Sunwell page, couldn't they just use an image? |
| 21:52.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | THE FLASH IS LIFE! |
| 21:53.56 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I used to have "whenhellfreezesover.com" but I let it lapse 7 years ago. I got sick of having to battle the huge number of people who kept trying to hack it. |
| 21:54.10 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 21:54.21 | Lunessa | And then the Eagles came out with an album and I got sick of dealing with the mail. |
| 21:54.31 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 21:54.46 | Lunessa | sorry... the domain was hellfreesesover.com and my email was "when" |
| 21:54.55 | Cidan | ... |
| 21:55.05 | Cidan | I used to own dawnofwar.com about 6 years ago |
| 21:55.05 | Lunessa | only freezes was spellled correctly. |
| 21:55.14 | Cidan | That's about the only domain I regret not holding on to. |
| 21:55.25 | zenzelezz | Cidan: doh! |
| 21:55.40 | Lunessa | I owned a bunch of them. It got to be too much time/trouble and not enough pay off. |
| 21:56.58 | *** join/#wowuidev nappy (i=nappy@v5.impurity.org) |
| 21:57.29 | Esamynn | Aelobin: after, or during? |
| 21:58.05 | Aelobin | well PLAYER_LOGOUT fires, and after that i'm getting nil returns from GetGuildInfo("PLAYER") |
| 21:58.10 | Aelobin | nvm though, i found a work around :P |
| 21:58.18 | mikma | which one fires first? PLAYER_LOGIN or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 21:58.31 | Esamynn | login |
| 21:58.44 | Esamynn | and then P_E_W |
| 21:59.04 | Esamynn | they fire during the same event dispatch job |
| 21:59.17 | Esamynn | iirc |
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| 22:00.06 | mikma | but, PL does still fire first? |
| 22:00.17 | Esamynn | it should, yes |
| 22:00.23 | mikma | awesome. thanks esa |
| 22:02.28 | durcyn | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6479203.ece "An Italian woman who arrived late for the Air France plane flight that crashed in the Atlantic last week has been killed in a car accident." |
| 22:02.44 | durcyn | that's pretty fucked up right there |
| 22:03.05 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 22:03.38 | Cidan | Man |
| 22:03.46 | Cidan | That's some Final Destination shit right there |
| 22:03.48 | Cidan | What the fuck. |
| 22:03.59 | BlackNet | apparently her numbers were up |
| 22:04.15 | neotron | indeed |
| 22:04.25 | BlackNet | ever seen dead like me? |
| 22:04.32 | Thrae | Cidan: That's the movie I was thinking of |
| 22:04.38 | mikma | durcyn: pwn |
| 22:06.05 | AckisWork | cog|work: when does facebook let you pick a user name? |
| 22:06.16 | AnduinLothar | tomorrow |
| 22:06.36 | AckisWork | sweet |
| 22:06.48 | AckisWork | I'm going to pick cogwheel as my user name |
| 22:06.57 | Nechckn | lol, nice |
| 22:07.19 | AckisWork | mmmhmmm imma winner |
| 22:07.25 | zenzelezz | then he'll pick Ackis and tell Facebook he's in a relationship with some random weirdo |
| 22:07.35 | Lunessa | AckisWork: I thought for sure you were going to pick isaypenislol |
| 22:07.56 | Nechckn | love is grand, no? hehehe |
| 22:08.03 | AckisWork | penis lololol |
| 22:08.06 | Cidan | rofl |
| 22:08.18 | Cidan | Oh man, I need to nab... hm, Cidan, or AJ. |
| 22:08.19 | AckisWork | lua> for 1=1,100000,1 do print("Penis.") end |
| 22:08.19 | lua_bot | AckisWork: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '1' |
| 22:08.22 | cog|work | AckisWork: FUK U! |
| 22:08.29 | Cidan | That'd be pretty bad ass, if I can nab AJ. |
| 22:08.32 | AckisWork | wow I failed at my loop |
| 22:08.33 | zenzelezz | you guys must have an entertaining time just going to the toilet |
| 22:08.34 | cog|work | mai nick! |
| 22:08.48 | AckisWork | cog|work: I'm up before you! |
| 22:08.58 | cog|work | lol i has alarm clok |
| 22:09.08 | AckisWork | I has 9 week old kitten, I don't sleep |
| 22:09.22 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I don't find going to the toilet entertaining, but toilet humor usually is. |
| 22:09.26 | Nechckn | too busy providing milk, eh? |
| 22:09.32 | cog|work | though i don't know what that matters... it's starting at 430pm |
| 22:09.42 | cog|work | (in my timezone anyway) |
| 22:09.55 | AckisWork | I don't know what he did, but when we went downstairs in the morning, the freezer door was open, the older cat was on top of the cupboard meowing that he couldn't get down. |
| 22:10.05 | AckisWork | cog|work: you see my facebook videos I posted?!??!?! |
| 22:10.17 | cog|work | no i'm reading drama on the eve forums :P |
| 22:10.22 | Cidan | mmm |
| 22:10.22 | Cidan | eve |
| 22:10.24 | Cidan | Christ |
| 22:10.25 | cog|work | s/reading drama on the eve forums/working/ |
| 22:10.27 | Cidan | So... tempted.. |
| 22:10.37 | Cidan | I have something like 500 million ISK on my account |
| 22:10.51 | AckisWork | watch the facebook vids, you'll get luls out of the kitty one |
| 22:10.57 | cog|work | drama --> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1094517 |
| 22:11.07 | AckisWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYBhcGtk7SI it's also on youtube! |
| 22:11.12 | Cidan | Oh, huh, Cog, were you the one on my Facebook saying you were addicted to Eve? |
| 22:11.19 | cog|work | probably |
| 22:11.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Windaria (n=Denial@unaffiliated/windaria) |
| 22:11.36 | AckisWork | cog|work: is Cidan on my facebook? |
| 22:11.43 | cog|work | was it someone with a big orange cogwheel for their profile pic? |
| 22:11.44 | cog|work | ;) |
| 22:11.50 | Cidan | AckisWork: Unlikely |
| 22:11.58 | Cidan | cog|work: Yup, that's you. |
| 22:12.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 22:12.22 | Cidan | Ergh, one day soon, I'll get back into interface programming, when I have timeee. |
| 22:12.49 | Cidan | that or Eve, xD |
| 22:12.55 | Cidan | Eve is adding characters, finally. |
| 22:13.02 | Cidan | You'll be able to walk around space stations. |
| 22:13.02 | cog|work | new patch is pretty awesome |
| 22:13.08 | Cidan | So I hear |
| 22:13.25 | Cidan | I'm also holding my breath for Jumpgate and/or STO |
| 22:14.53 | Nechckn | the beta for Stargate was pretty cool |
| 22:14.56 | Cidan | I'm in the Champions Online beta, which I think I'm under NDA for, but anyway |
| 22:14.57 | AckisWork | cog|work: so what's the drama? someones account got banned and they had a billion creds or something? |
| 22:15.00 | Nechckn | no word as of late, though |
| 22:15.11 | Cidan | isn't SG:W damn near cancelled? |
| 22:15.44 | Nechckn | dunno, really. It was pretty refined by the end of the F&F testing |
| 22:16.08 | Cidan | I only have one question: loading screens when you jump through the stargate, yes or no? |
| 22:16.20 | cog|work | AckisWork: this was a player run back and the guy who founded it walked off with 200 billion isk |
| 22:16.27 | neotron | I heard the beta for SG:W sucked |
| 22:16.28 | cog|work | sold it "illegally" for real money |
| 22:16.48 | cog|work | s/back/bank/ |
| 22:17.14 | AckisWork | so he sold 200billion for rl cash and that's bad? |
| 22:17.18 | Lunessa | so, some guy scammed his way into 200 billion ISK, then gets banned. And the group he was part of is no experiencing a run on it's banks because people have lost confidence? |
| 22:17.23 | Nechckn | It was neat in its way, neotron |
| 22:17.24 | cog|work | no. the bad is that he stole the 200bil |
| 22:17.26 | cog|work | it's a bank |
| 22:17.33 | cog|work | other people deposit money, they loan it to make profit |
| 22:17.34 | AckisWork | it's a game ;) |
| 22:17.45 | Lunessa | Cidan: HATE YOU SO MUCH. I apped for that damned thing. |
| 22:17.55 | Nechckn | sort of like um... Tabula Rasa but it had a full Lua environment, too |
| 22:18.01 | Cidan | People who say Eve is a game, have not played Eve. |
| 22:18.04 | cog|work | AckisWork: it's like ninja-ing a guild bank on a hugely massive scale |
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| 22:18.09 | Cidan | Lunessa: Trust me when I say this, you're not missing much. |
| 22:18.23 | Cidan | Lunessa: You can actually go ahead and use my login if you want, I really don't care. |
| 22:18.27 | AckisWork | cog|work: yah I'm kinda getting that, so he was banned from the game or just by players? |
| 22:18.27 | Nechckn | Still fairly active, from what I can see http://community.stargateworlds.com/news/ |
| 22:18.30 | neotron | too bad it appears the company is pretty much a scam |
| 22:18.31 | Cidan | I have zero interest in the game. |
| 22:18.36 | cog|work | AckisWork: the ban isn't the drama |
| 22:18.36 | Lunessa | Cidan: Woot. Hook a brother up. |
| 22:18.41 | Cidan | actually |
| 22:18.47 | Cidan | Let me see if I can get you your own key |
| 22:18.48 | Cidan | one second |
| 22:19.00 | cog|work | he was banned for the real money transfer. scamming is within the rules ;) |
| 22:19.25 | AckisWork | ah |
| 22:19.26 | cog|work | and yeah... as far as "it's a game," eve's more like a hybrid between wow and second life in that regard |
| 22:19.56 | neotron | Nechckn: read somewhere not @their own website... |
| 22:20.34 | Nechckn | neotron gotcha and it wouldn't surprise me that much, to be honest. So many die, even when they are almost "ready" |
| 22:20.49 | Nechckn | look at the StarTrek one that keeps starting/stopping |
| 22:20.59 | Cidan | STO? |
| 22:21.06 | Cidan | STO is pretty solid right now |
| 22:21.13 | neotron | from what I understand, SG:W wasn't even close to be ready in any way |
| 22:21.23 | Cidan | neotron: That's what I heard. |
| 22:21.35 | Nechckn | The beta game play was solid |
| 22:21.41 | neotron | and that theer's some sort of pyramid type scam to enrich a few people |
| 22:21.42 | Nechckn | not that it was huge or anything |
| 22:21.48 | Nechckn | but the mechanics were good |
| 22:22.56 | Cidan | Lunessa: Looking now |
| 22:23.06 | Lunessa | Cidan: Rocking. Thanks |
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| 22:24.45 | neotron | Nechckn: http://forums.stargateworlds.com/showthread.php?p=638094#post638094 |
| 22:27.02 | Cidan | Lunessa: No buddy keys, but I'll just give you my account, let me change my pass |
| 22:27.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Tinyboom_ (n=nahh@206.84-49-89.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:27.33 | Lunessa | Cidan: /cheer (I'm a big Champions geek ) |
| 22:27.48 | Cidan | I am too, but be warned, the game is meh |
| 22:28.53 | BlackNet | any way to find out how much gold i spend on training? |
| 22:29.38 | NightHawkTheSan1 | there's quite a few addons that will track that. you can also do the math yourself using a site like wowhead or wowdb |
| 22:30.44 | Nechckn | neotron Dunno for sure, since I don't work there, but it looks like a troll. Could be true or not - just thought it was pretty decent at the level it was when the F&F ended. As with so much of the game dev, we'll only know for sure if a game comes out or if the site goes off line. |
| 22:31.38 | Cidan | well |
| 22:32.01 | neotron | considering the substantial information pointing to no money it's likely true |
| 22:32.09 | Cidan | Brad Wright was really not happy with it. At all. |
| 22:32.14 | neotron | I mean when the studio head leaves it's not good |
| 22:34.22 | Cidan | wow |
| 22:34.26 | Cidan | Is... google broken? |
| 22:34.43 | AnduinLothar | no? |
| 22:34.57 | Cidan | I'm getting internal server errors from google.com |
| 22:35.10 | AnduinLothar | works here |
| 22:35.19 | neotron | it's a trap |
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| 22:37.06 | Cidan | kinda dumb |
| 22:37.16 | Cidan | Hm. |
| 22:37.23 | Cidan | Stargate Worlds takes place before the Ori arc. |
| 22:37.30 | Cidan | Not sure I like that, should be current, imo. |
| 22:38.40 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 22:39.12 | Cidan | Just the way the Ori arc ended; should just pick up there. But, then again, no Asgard, so, :/ |
| 22:39.19 | AnduinLothar | this way they can make an Ori expansion :P |
| 22:39.21 | neotron | I really don't think it matters |
| 22:39.29 | neotron | it won't ship |
| 22:39.33 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:39.35 | neotron | and even so, Asgard as a playable race... |
| 22:39.44 | neotron | who though that was a good idea? |
| 22:40.17 | AnduinLothar | hey guys, lets sit around inventing things all day while we try to solve our race's doom |
| 22:41.01 | Cidan | I think the game was well under production before they decided to kill the entire race |
| 22:41.07 | Cralor` | Cidan: I get one sometimes where the "chat" is suppose to be |
| 22:41.33 | Cidan | Cralor`: ...er, what? |
| 22:41.34 | neotron | Cidan: regardless, it's not a race that should be common enough to be playable |
| 22:41.44 | Cralor` | Internal server errors on google |
| 22:41.48 | neotron | they were technologically way ahead |
| 22:41.52 | Cidan | Oh, okay, so it's not just me |
| 22:41.56 | Cralor` | nope :) |
| 22:42.15 | Cralor` | !api getrunecooldown |
| 22:42.16 | lua_bot | GetRuneCooldown: Returns cooldown information about one of the player's rune resources (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRuneCooldown) |
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| 22:47.00 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/06/raw-video-cop-tasers-72-year-old-granny/ /shame |
| 22:47.50 | *** part/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:54.05 | Cralor` | heard that on the radio |
| 22:56.51 | TC-Away | boo...it triggers the authenticator before it check the PW |
| 22:58.14 | Cralor` | yea |
| 22:58.25 | Cralor` | if you got wrong pass, it still pops up |
| 22:58.26 | nappy | at what point during an addon's initialization is it safe to call SetOverrideBindingClick() ? |
| 23:00.13 | kd3 | yay power blinks |
| 23:00.25 | kd3 | grrs at upstream not being adequately protected |
| 23:00.25 | Thunder_Child | i am amused http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u28doz1rjM4 |
| 23:03.24 | *** join/#wowuidev amro (n=amro@li37-20.members.linode.com) |
| 23:04.31 | amro | any C++ gurus around? |
| 23:06.02 | Adys | amro this is a channel for UI development |
| 23:06.04 | Adys | in wow |
| 23:06.10 | Adys | only lua devs here |
| 23:06.12 | Adys | just leave the chan now |
| 23:06.16 | amro | yeah, what's a cock like you doing here? |
| 23:06.25 | Adys | :( |
| 23:06.27 | Thunder_Child | getting screwed |
| 23:06.31 | Adys | :) |
| 23:06.34 | cog|work | amro: |
| 23:06.36 | cog|work | ~asktoask |
| 23:06.36 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 23:06.40 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:07.28 | Cidan | amro: What you need? |
| 23:09.08 | Bibi` | a smaller neck. |
| 23:09.28 | Cidan | well that's not very nice. |
| 23:09.34 | Cidan | NOT VERY NICE AT ALL! |
| 23:09.39 | Adys | Bibi`: you need a smaller head, for less headshots |
| 23:10.15 | Bibi` | "BOOHOOO Bibi keeps killing me with his gun, my Razorback is useless, I'm switching to medic!" |
| 23:10.33 | Cidan | Hah |
| 23:11.06 | amro | Cidan: I'm trying to figure out why something like new SomeClass(AnotherClass(...)) is bad, with the constructor taking a const AnotherClass& |
| 23:11.53 | Cidan | You're trying to make a new class, and pass a class as an argument into the constructor of the first class? |
| 23:12.07 | amro | yep |
| 23:12.30 | Cidan | are you trying to create a new construct of that class, or does it already exist? (the argument) |
| 23:12.30 | amro | if I change the constructor to take simply AnotherClass it works, but I'm uneasy not knowing exactly what's going on |
| 23:12.39 | amro | no, it doesn't |
| 23:12.42 | cog|work | don't you need to do new SomeClass(new AnotherClass(...)) ? |
| 23:12.46 | Cidan | then all you have to do is |
| 23:12.48 | amro | it doesn't take a pointer |
| 23:13.02 | cog|work | *(new AnotherClass(...)) ? |
| 23:13.13 | Cidan | okay, so the argument class already exists, right? |
| 23:13.20 | Cidan | You just need to pass it to the new class |
| 23:13.28 | Cidan | the object it self |
| 23:13.39 | amro | I'll give more context |
| 23:14.05 | Cidan | new ClassName(Class2Name) should work just fine |
| 23:14.09 | amro | basically I'm passing a Vector(x, y, z) as arg, to avoid passing in just hte values and creating the vect on the othe rend |
| 23:14.35 | Cidan | Vector being the argument class, right? |
| 23:14.57 | amro | right |
| 23:15.12 | Cidan | Now, does Vector already exist? |
| 23:15.32 | Cidan | as in, did you instantiate the object before hand? |
| 23:15.41 | amro | no |
| 23:15.50 | amro | initializing it inline |
| 23:15.56 | Cidan | So you need to make a new one |
| 23:16.19 | amro | I'm trying to understand why it doesn't work when I pass it in as const Vector& |
| 23:16.25 | Cidan | new SomeClass(new Vector(x,y,z)); Is that what you're trying to do? |
| 23:16.44 | amro | I want to avoid passing a pointer to SomeClass if possible |
| 23:17.07 | Cidan | passing a pointer to what? You're not passing anything... |
| 23:17.22 | Cidan | I mean, you're creating the class, you'll want to store it somewhere, unless you enjoy memory leaks |
| 23:17.37 | Cidan | Oh |
| 23:17.39 | Cidan | oh I see. |
| 23:17.46 | Cidan | Wait, why would you want to avoid using a pointer? |
| 23:18.31 | amro | see I'm trying to figure out what actually happens when I do something like SomeClass(Vector()) |
| 23:18.41 | amro | I'm not sure what's happening with the memory |
| 23:18.51 | Adys | it errors out, crashes, wipes your hard drives and reports you to the fbi |
| 23:18.54 | Cidan | Ah, you're creating a new instance of Vector |
| 23:18.54 | Adys | just dont do that |
| 23:18.57 | amro | specifically, where is that inline Vector allocated? |
| 23:18.59 | Cidan | That's all |
| 23:19.09 | cog|work | oh that's on the stack |
| 23:19.19 | Cidan | And returning the pointer to the SomeClass construct |
| 23:19.51 | Cidan | You can't do SomeClass(new Vector(x,y,z)) when the construct takes Vector &myVect |
| 23:19.55 | amro | so if I manipulate that Vector in the SomeClass constructor, I'm directly toying with the one in the calling function's stack? |
| 23:20.05 | amro | as in, there's no copying? |
| 23:20.08 | Cidan | Surely, that's the idea behind "pointer" |
| 23:20.18 | amro | right, but the constructor doesn't take a pointer |
| 23:20.25 | Cidan | so make it take a pointer. |
| 23:20.28 | cog|work | isn't it just like if you had done Vector x = Vector(...); SomeClass y = SomeClass(x) ? |
| 23:20.38 | Cidan | Yes, that's right Cog |
| 23:20.59 | amro | Cidan: no, I'm asking about in this situation |
| 23:21.17 | amro | if it doesn't take a pointer, if the sig is SomeClass::SomeClass(Vector v), what happens then? |
| 23:21.31 | cog|work | amro: it's allocated on the stack |
| 23:21.35 | Cidan | Indeed. |
| 23:21.42 | Cidan | Which you do not want, you will leak |
| 23:21.59 | Cidan | Let me put it to you like this |
| 23:22.02 | amro | yeah, I was trying to see exactly what happens |
| 23:22.51 | Cidan | Vector x = new Vector3(x,y,z); |
| 23:22.51 | Cidan | foo(x); |
| 23:22.51 | Cidan | where foo is: |
| 23:22.51 | Cidan | void foo(Vector *myVect){ |
| 23:22.52 | Cidan | } |
| 23:23.03 | theorbtwo | cog|work: Welcome back! |
| 23:23.11 | Cidan | Anything you do in "foo" will simply edit vector x |
| 23:23.12 | cog|work | Cidan: no he's not doing new Vector |
| 23:23.15 | Cidan | no new copy is made |
| 23:23.25 | Cidan | I know, but I'm explaining the idea behind pointers. |
| 23:23.37 | cog|work | theorbtwo: ohai :) |
| 23:24.08 | amro | Cidan: I understand how pointers work, I just wasn't sure where Vector was getting allocated in the other situation |
| 23:24.11 | cog|work | amro: SomeClass(Vector(...)) <-- in that case the vector is passed by value |
| 23:24.26 | cog|work | well, reference since someclass takes a reference |
| 23:24.36 | amro | except that doesn't work |
| 23:24.57 | amro | I seem to get uninitialized values when it takes a ref |
| 23:25.07 | cog|work | right, because it goes out of scope |
| 23:25.13 | Cidan | and it won't, because you haven't instantiated the object and it's not in scope |
| 23:25.44 | amro | indeed, but I was copying it to another object in the constructor |
| 23:25.44 | cog|work | since you passed it as a reference, it disappears when the function doing the initializing returns |
| 23:25.45 | Cidan | cog|work: Can we be butt buddies? |
| 23:25.57 | cog|work | Cidan: you'll have to ask the mrs |
| 23:26.08 | Cidan | were you copying using memcpy or the likes? |
| 23:26.17 | Cidan | because simply assigning using = will make it freak out. |
| 23:26.24 | amro | I was copying scalar values, so no |
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| 23:27.10 | amro | actually, nevermind |
| 23:27.20 | Cidan | ? |
| 23:27.21 | amro | stupid mistake, I *wasn't* copying the data |
| 23:27.28 | Cidan | Ah, xD |
| 23:27.32 | cog|away | lol |
| 23:27.55 | cog|away | pebkac error |
| 23:28.00 | amro | indeed |
| 23:28.09 | cog|away | ttfn |
| 23:28.20 | Cidan | mmm, pebkac, so dirty, yet so good. |
| 23:28.21 | Cidan | Er. |
| 23:29.46 | Cidan | Ahh, so happy I setup this irc bnc. Now I'll actually... chat. |
| 23:34.55 | |Jelly| | oh noes |
| 23:39.35 | amro | http://static.arstechnica.com/2009/06/11/quantum_lol_cat_ars.jpg |
| 23:41.51 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out of here for today. See you all tomorrow. |
| 23:41.55 | Cidan | awh |
| 23:41.59 | Cidan | no evening chat? |
| 23:42.01 | Cidan | Guess not |
| 23:42.02 | Cidan | xD |
| 23:42.40 | Thunder_Child | lunessa doesnt like us anymore |
| 23:42.58 | Cidan | Hell, *I* don't like us anymore |
| 23:43.08 | Thunder_Child | but thats to be expected |
| 23:43.16 | NightHawkTheSan1 | .. you never liked us, so whats new :P |
| 23:43.22 | Cidan | I'm hurt. |
| 23:43.25 | Cidan | I love you all! |
| 23:43.28 | Cidan | raisemiddlefinger |
| 23:43.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the truth does that |
| 23:43.29 | Thunder_Child | only hurt? |
| 23:43.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ~hug Cidan |
| 23:43.41 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cidan and suddenly hugs Cidan tightly |
| 23:43.58 | mikma | so, dk, haste or agility -cloak enchant? :P |
| 23:44.17 | mikma | meaning to whoop around with 2h axe |
| 23:44.19 | Cidan | agiliste. |
| 23:44.53 | Thunder_Child | heh i bet haste is going to get pinged on this conversation |
| 23:45.06 | mikma | haste: you or agility? |
| 23:45.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | haste? get pinged on a topic about haste? no way. |
| 23:45.21 | Cidan | horrible. |
| 23:45.27 | Thunder_Child | it's only one per line NightHawkTheSan1 |
| 23:45.41 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Thunder_Child: yeah, i know, but the sentence wouldn't have made much sense otherwise |
| 23:45.59 | Thunder_Child | do it like: |
| 23:46.03 | Thunder_Child | Haste? |
| 23:46.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | how much crit does 22agi give a dk anyway? |
| 23:46.09 | Thunder_Child | get pinged on a topic of haste? |
| 23:46.20 | Thunder_Child | see, 2 lines works fine |
| 23:46.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you are indeed a master |
| 23:46.52 | Thunder_Child | i try |
| 23:47.34 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSan1, it's 62.5 agi per 1% crit for a dk @ 60 |
| 23:47.40 | Thunder_Child | 80* |
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| 23:47.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | so 22agi is something like .3% crit |
| 23:50.13 | NightHawkTheSan1 | mikma: so, it comes out to something like .7% haste vs .35% crit, whichever you want from there :P |
| 23:50.48 | Thunder_Child | i would suggest haste |
| 23:51.23 | NeoTron | haste for sur |
| 23:51.40 | NeoTron | also mind you - .3 MELEE crit |
| 23:51.42 | NeoTron | not spell |
| 23:51.49 | NightHawkTheSan1 | also true |
| 23:52.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | do many dk abilities work on spellcrit, though? |
| 23:52.28 | NeoTron | not much as blood. much otherwise. |
| 23:52.38 | mikma | well, i will be speccing into improved icy talons :P |
| 23:52.44 | mikma | so not sure about the haste part, yet |
| 23:53.15 | NeoTron | frost dps? |
| 23:53.48 | mikma | ya |
| 23:53.55 | NeoTron | according to EJ Hit > Strength > Expertise = Crit > Agility > Haste ~ ArPen > Everything else. |
| 23:54.04 | NeoTron | so haste > agi for UH but perhaps not for frost |
| 23:54.23 | mikma | so +22 agi it is then |
| 23:54.58 | NeoTron | Wandering Plague and Death Coil and most importantly permapet makes haste better for uh dks |
| 23:55.05 | Thunder_Child | but what ratio is that at NeoTron? |
| 23:55.25 | Thunder_Child | at some point haste is better than agi |
| 23:55.59 | Thunder_Child | 22 agi or 59 haste...kinda a no brainer at that point |
