| 00:00.27 | Shirik | er, what? |
| 00:00.29 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:00.29 | Shirik | lua> t = {1} assert(loadstring("function foo(...) a = 1\n(...)[1]=2 end"))() foo(t) print(t[1]) |
| 00:00.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2 |
| 00:00.31 | Shirik | so why is that legal |
| 00:00.36 | Shirik | when something like.... |
| 00:00.47 | Shirik | lua> t = {1} assert(loadstring("function foo(...) a = foo\n(...)[1]=2 end"))() foo(t) print(t[1]) |
| 00:00.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: [string "function foo(...) a = foo..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 00:00.49 | Shirik | That is not |
| 00:00.59 | Iriel | There's only one ambiguity in the lua lexer, IIRC |
| 00:01.01 | Iriel | and that's it |
| 00:01.12 | Shirik | t = {1} assert(loadstring("function foo(...) a = 1\n(...)[1]=2 end"))() foo(t) print(t[1]) |
| 00:01.15 | Shirik | That's certainly ambiguous |
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| 00:01.43 | Iriel | From a lexical token stream perspective, they might not be THAT different |
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| 00:03.02 | Shirik | Fact of the matter is I'm allowed to call 1 just as much as I'm allowed to call foo, therefore the code must be equally ambiguous |
| 00:03.50 | Shirik | perhaps this is a better example |
| 00:04.03 | Shirik | function foo(...) a = 1\n(...)() end |
| 00:04.05 | Shirik | vs |
| 00:04.12 | Shirik | function foo(...) a = foo\n(...)() end |
| 00:05.13 | Shirik | though that does bring up another question |
| 00:05.16 | Shirik | lua> 1() |
| 00:05.16 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '1' |
| 00:05.19 | Shirik | why is that not legal :P |
| 00:05.47 | Shirik | lua> loadstring("function foo(...) a = (1)\n(...)() end") |
| 00:05.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "function foo(...) a = (1)..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 00:05.53 | Shirik | so that's why it didn't pick it up earlier |
| 00:05.57 | Shirik | I get it now :) |
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| 00:09.37 | Ackis | fyi 97 mounts whee |
| 00:09.50 | Thunder_Child | "...such SF pros as Mike Resnick, Richard Morgan and Peter Watts..." i have never even heard of these people |
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| 00:12.58 | Fisker- | fail Ackis |
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| 00:24.12 | tekkub | oh I like this logic... |
| 00:24.37 | Shirik | likes tekkub's logic |
| 00:24.47 | tekkub | a disc priest is a better healer because his shields will absorb damage before it's taken off, and needs to be healed... |
| 00:24.57 | tekkub | therefore you heal more than the other healers in the group |
| 00:24.58 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 00:25.19 | tekkub | because you're "blocking out" their heals |
| 00:25.39 | Shirik | huh? |
| 00:25.52 | Shirik | yeah, f disc priests |
| 00:25.53 | tekkub | if you cast a bubble and a druid casts a LB... |
| 00:25.56 | Shirik | ruining my numbers |
| 00:25.58 | Legorol | does absorbed damage get reported under the corresponding healer in tools like recount? |
| 00:25.58 | tekkub | you win |
| 00:26.06 | Shirik | Is why I always assign myself to raid healing |
| 00:26.11 | alestane | Sounds good on paper, but there are a couple fallacies there, I think. |
| 00:26.15 | Shirik | don't have to be gimped by those asses :P |
| 00:26.21 | tekkub | probably not, is recount even updated any more? |
| 00:26.27 | Legorol | yes it is |
| 00:26.29 | Cide | it's a couple of thousand every 15 sec... |
| 00:26.31 | Legorol | but nvm recount, i meant in general |
| 00:26.43 | Legorol | is there a combat log entry that can tie damage absorbed to the caster of the damage shield? |
| 00:26.47 | Ackis | ahh how do I configure tiptac?!!? l;ol |
| 00:26.58 | alestane | Now, I think the point that absorption is a form of TTL along with health restoration is valid. |
| 00:27.10 | Ackis | Aezay: btw the error was with altoholic |
| 00:28.06 | Cide | absorption is effectively temporary +health, +max health |
| 00:29.07 | alestane | I don't know how, say PW:S ranks against, say, Flash Heal in terms of +TTL/mana, though. |
| 00:29.39 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, /tip |
| 00:30.00 | Thunder_Child | TTL? |
| 00:30.23 | Ackis | ty!!1 |
| 00:30.24 | NightHawkTheSane | time to live |
| 00:30.44 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: have you never used traceroute? |
| 00:30.54 | Legorol | it prints TTL :) |
| 00:31.02 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Legorol |
| 00:31.02 | purl | send killer squirrels to attack Legorol |
| 00:31.13 | Torhal | Ackis: I kinda figured, with the way he was "hooking" GameTooltip with SetScript. |
| 00:31.16 | Legorol | sorry i didn't mean tracert |
| 00:31.17 | Legorol | i meant ping |
| 00:31.19 | Thunder_Child | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:31.19 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:31.30 | Legorol | almost all versions of ping i have seen indicates the TTL of the packets it sends |
| 00:31.32 | Ackis | Torhal: can you fix it? |
| 00:31.42 | Ackis | (in instance, so alt-tabbign a loot) |
| 00:31.45 | tekkub | yea I'm not saying PW:S is better or worse, it just gets first priority when heals are also stacked on the target |
| 00:31.47 | Legorol | s/sends/receives/ |
| 00:31.55 | Thunder_Child | Legorol, are you being serious? |
| 00:31.59 | tekkub | therefore it *effectivly* heals more :) |
| 00:32.02 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: very |
| 00:32.14 | Torhal | Ackis: I can look at it. |
| 00:32.18 | Legorol | for example, in windows XP command prompt, if i ping www.google.com, each reply has a TTL value |
| 00:32.19 | Ackis | kk |
| 00:32.21 | Thunder_Child | Legorol "+alestane: I don't know how, say PW:S ranks against, say, Flash Heal in terms of +TTL/mana, though" <-- TTL |
| 00:32.21 | Ackis | it's annoying me |
| 00:32.45 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: in both cases, TTL stands for Time To Live |
| 00:32.58 | Cide | it means google's death is imminent |
| 00:33.04 | Legorol | absolutely |
| 00:33.05 | Thunder_Child | i have a degree in networking i know what the other one is |
| 00:33.10 | Torhal | Ackis: How did you determine the issue was with Altoholic, BTW? |
| 00:33.29 | Ackis | uninstalled it and it went away |
| 00:33.41 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: i don't have a degree in networking, but i know it too! |
| 00:33.42 | Ackis | err disabled it |
| 00:33.47 | Legorol | so do i get a cookie? |
| 00:34.17 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 00:34.24 | Torhal | Ackis: Bah. Not definitive :P |
| 00:34.27 | Torhal | But I'll look. |
| 00:35.40 | Legorol | ~Thunder_Child-- |
| 00:36.09 | Thunder_Child | it's not my fault you went off on a tangent |
| 00:41.54 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: does tiptac affect action bar tooltips? |
| 00:42.25 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, i dont think so...except anchor |
| 00:43.58 | Ackis | I can't figure out why my bars aren't going w/ the tiptac tooltip |
| 00:44.31 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, what do you mean 'with'? |
| 00:44.41 | Torhal | Ackis: Something else is anchoring them, probably. |
| 00:45.07 | Ackis | aye need to look at it more in detail (aka not in an incatsn |
| 00:45.38 | Ackis | fucking gf |
| 00:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
| 00:46.16 | Ackis | she agroed shit and got us killed :P |
| 00:46.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, well, then, silly girl |
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| 01:07.45 | Shirik | coolest bug ever: http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/file_download.php?file_id=88&type=bug |
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| 01:16.10 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, hmm...i would look at that and say it was a graphical glitch unrelated to minon |
| 01:17.19 | Superbia | wasn't there some addon for learning new rotations? I could swear I saw something on wowi for paladins but can't find it now... |
| 01:17.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:17.24 | Shirik | XML error in Minion |
| 01:17.27 | Shirik | <AddOn name="ButtonFacade_pHish" version="1 & v2"> |
| 01:17.34 | Shirik | why would you put a & in your version numbers :( |
| 01:17.43 | Thunder_Child | Superbia, yes |
| 01:18.29 | Superbia | Thunder_Child, you don't happen to know the name of it? :) |
| 01:18.46 | Thunder_Child | Superbia, i was trying to find it :) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13011-SeriousHelpInTiming.html |
| 01:19.05 | Superbia | Thunder_Child, ahh great thanks :) |
| 01:19.56 | Thunder_Child | Superbia, or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13576-ProtectionIsSurprisinglyStupendous.html |
| 01:20.05 | Superbia | haha it has the best name ever when downloaded :P SHIT-v1.22.rar |
| 01:20.12 | Thunder_Child | the other one is piss |
| 01:20.55 | Superbia | Thunder_Child, okay will look at both... I really suck att memorizing new rotations so something that will help is worth alot :) |
| 01:21.49 | Superbia | though I am surpriced they are for paladins... I thought they could make a macro for perfect rotation in wrath :S |
| 01:21.56 | tekkub | "You Won't Sass Me like that when I can Summon Wolves" |
| 01:22.05 | tekkub | aw, it had potential.. |
| 01:22.17 | Thunder_Child | ywsmltwicsw? |
| 01:22.41 | tekkub | it's nowhere neer as good of a song as the title suggests |
| 01:22.57 | Thunder_Child | rolls his eyes at tekkub |
| 01:23.19 | tekkub | :P |
| 01:27.52 | Shirik | It is very sad when a bug has been duplicated so many times, I can see a new bug today and instantly know the ID of the bug to mark it as a duplicate of |
| 01:28.00 | Shirik | without having to look it up |
| 01:28.26 | Thunder_Child | bug report you mean? |
| 01:28.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:40.54 | Shirik | SEVERE: com.mmoui.manager.MainView$5@1c1c92b failed: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid uri '/patcher2/login/E:\Games\WoW/E:\Games\WoW.xml': escaped absolute path not valid |
| 01:40.56 | Shirik | That's an awesome bug |
| 01:41.04 | Shirik | that's supposed to be his username and password in there :/ |
| 01:51.57 | Thunder_Child | much lol |
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| 01:59.52 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 02:00.00 | purl | ~pong |
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| 02:05.04 | Shirik | how do you like me now! |
| 02:07.14 | Shirik | hey hey Thunder_Child |
| 02:07.15 | Shirik | ping |
| 02:16.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, pong |
| 02:16.56 | Shirik | I realize the 5D is quite different from your camera, but I'll ask anyway |
| 02:17.01 | Shirik | how's your low-light response? |
| 02:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Does anyone know if there's an addon that intelligently shows which raid buffs you're missing, based on who's in the raid? |
| 02:17.07 | Thunder_Child | shit |
| 02:17.12 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 02:17.25 | Thunder_Child | my max iso is 1600 |
| 02:17.29 | Shirik | oh well that's a problem |
| 02:17.33 | Thunder_Child | one reason i want a high iso camera |
| 02:17.40 | Thunder_Child | i like the low light |
| 02:17.44 | Shirik | get a 5D Mk II like me ^_^ |
| 02:17.53 | Thunder_Child | want to...but no money |
| 02:17.59 | Shirik | you at least don't have to go out buying all new lenses |
| 02:18.05 | Thunder_Child | yes i do |
| 02:18.11 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:18.17 | Thunder_Child | i dont have a full frame camera |
| 02:18.38 | Thunder_Child | so i didnt get full frame lenses |
| 02:18.38 | Thunder_Child | go ping Iriel, he has nikon but much better iso |
| 02:18.38 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:19.03 | Shirik | well, can't you still use the lenses, it'll just be cut off? :) |
| 02:19.16 | Shirik | then you can crop it ^_^ |
| 02:19.45 | Thunder_Child | the mount isnt different |
| 02:19.48 | Thunder_Child | is* |
| 02:34.00 | Shirik | ah I see |
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| 02:59.24 | Ackis | so when additional instances cannot be launched, what do I do other then try to zone in 10000 times? |
| 02:59.50 | AbsolutRayne | I just had a thought. |
| 02:59.56 | Ackis | did it hurt |
| 03:00.29 | AbsolutRayne | I wonder if it would be possible to mod the in-game minimap to become slanted, and modify with the terrain. |
| 03:00.42 | AbsolutRayne | With hills / mountains and such |
| 03:00.50 | AbsolutRayne | Oh man that would be amazingly badass. |
| 03:04.14 | Cide | what? |
| 03:04.24 | Cide | you can't modify the in-game minimap at all |
| 03:05.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: go do something else? :P |
| 03:05.37 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: i can't!!!!! rawr |
| 03:11.40 | kd3 | grr. work, damn it! |
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| 03:15.07 | Thunder_Child | ~x en sp Sunder Faster |
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| 03:15.19 | Thunder_Child | ...eh? |
| 03:15.45 | Thunder_Child | ~x sp en hienda |
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| 03:41.58 | Cide | lua> (1+1) % 2 + 1, (2+1) % 2 + 1 |
| 03:41.58 | lua_bot | Cide: 1, 2 |
| 03:42.41 | Cide | lua> 1%2 + 1, 2%2 + 1 |
| 03:42.41 | lua_bot | Cide: 2, 1 |
| 03:42.51 | Cide | lua> 1%3 + 1, 2%3 + 1, 3%3 + 1 |
| 03:42.51 | lua_bot | Cide: 2, 3, 1 |
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| 03:56.28 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: like Utopia but for buffs? |
| 03:56.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: i guess? i have no idea what utopia dos |
| 03:56.49 | NightHawkTheSane | does |
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| 04:08.31 | Zeksie | Wobin/NightHawkTheSane: Utopia does it for buffs and debuffs. started off as debuffs only but does all nw |
| 04:08.33 | Wobin | oh god, xkcd |
| 04:08.34 | Zeksie | now* |
| 04:08.57 | Wobin | worst geekpun ever |
| 04:09.05 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.55 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 04:10.24 | Corrodias | -_- |
| 04:10.25 | Cairenn | >< |
| 04:10.35 | Spellbinder | Mr Guillotine, thats one nasty invention you did |
| 04:10.45 | Spellbinder | could be good for carrots though |
| 04:20.49 | Guillotine | Also, those pesky growths people have above their necks. |
| 04:20.54 | Guillotine | I believe they are called "heads" |
| 04:20.56 | Guillotine | Great for those. |
| 04:22.06 | Shirik | huggles Guillotine |
| 04:22.16 | Guillotine | huggles Shirik |
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| 04:48.12 | Guest17566 | wow, I think Freenode just violated the IRC protocol or something o.o |
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| 04:48.23 | Corrodias | oh? |
| 04:48.53 | Shirik | * Line too long: $+ (line 1529, main.nbs) |
| 04:48.54 | Shirik | (21:47:13) * [10053] Software caused connection abort |
| 04:48.54 | Shirik | (21:47:13) * Disconnected |
| 04:49.19 | Shirik | that appears to have been from something I received |
| 04:49.21 | Thunder_Child | isnt nbs your thing? |
| 04:49.27 | Shirik | yes but I think that was just a side effect |
| 04:49.34 | Shirik | because a mirc script can't cause you to disconnect |
| 04:49.40 | Thunder_Child | oh? |
| 04:49.47 | Shirik | well aside from running /disconnect of course |
| 04:49.56 | Shirik | but that wouldln't cause "Software caused connection abort" |
| 04:50.04 | Shirik | that's the connection dying |
| 04:50.07 | Shirik | not gracefully |
| 04:50.51 | Shirik | So either freenode or mirc violated the protocol I think |
| 04:51.05 | Shirik | which one we'll probably never know |
| 04:51.35 | Shirik | (most people would be quick to blame mirc, but mirc is pretty well known for following the standard "to-the-t" |
| 04:51.42 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:52.00 | End | I blame mirc! |
| 04:52.05 | End | ;-p |
| 04:52.17 | Shirik | whereas freenode has all these really neat extensions |
| 04:52.22 | Shirik | but you never know what those extensions might do |
| 04:52.41 | Shirik | Not saying this is bad, Shiibot makes really good use of CAPAB IDENTIFYMSG :) |
| 04:54.10 | Fisker- | kebab? |
| 04:54.18 | Shirik | no, no kebab for you |
| 05:02.44 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* wow keeps randomly freezing and i wonder why |
| 05:03.25 | Thunder_Child | s/freezing/crashing/ |
| 05:04.30 | Arrowmaster | mirc isnt known for following the standards, its known for making up its own damn standards |
| 05:04.37 | Shirik | what are you talking about |
| 05:04.41 | Shirik | what standards did it make up |
| 05:04.47 | Arrowmaster | the color standards |
| 05:04.53 | Arrowmaster | half of the dcc standards |
| 05:04.57 | Shirik | ok but that's not protocol |
| 05:05.33 | Shirik | It fits perfectly fine into the IRC protocol |
| 05:05.43 | Arrowmaster | and that error shows its from your nbs script that errored |
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| 05:05.56 | Shirik | as I already mentioned, I think that's a side effect |
| 05:06.04 | Shirik | because it's impossible for a mirc script to trigger a connection abort |
| 05:06.10 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 05:06.20 | Shirik | (theoretically, i.e., in the same sense that a minion module cannot access external sites) |
| 05:06.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I should note that there is not one client nor network that follows the standard even a little bit closely to the letter |
| 05:06.32 | Arrowmaster | its very possible |
| 05:06.32 | Shirik | show me a mirc script that aborts a connection :) |
| 05:06.40 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: So true |
| 05:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | mirc is just as bad as everything else :P |
| 05:07.01 | Shirik | I don't really agree with that actually |
| 05:07.25 | Shirik | mirc does even better by not supporting unicode out of the box, lol |
| 05:07.40 | Arrowmaster | give me a while and i can probably come up with one since mirc has access to tons of system stuff |
| 05:08.26 | Shirik | The error message really suggests that it was something inbound that caused the abort |
| 05:08.32 | Shirik | Because that error message indicates the script got terminated |
| 05:08.41 | Shirik | I don't see why a terminated script would cause a connection abort |
| 05:08.46 | Arrowmaster | what is that line in the script? |
| 05:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | gets the vague feeling that we're debating serial cable standards all over again |
| 05:09.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wasn't even alive for that |
| 05:09.15 | Arrowmaster | or maybe you got a malformed packet that both borked the connection and the script |
| 05:09.21 | Shirik | it's inside on ^*:notice:*:*:{ |
| 05:09.31 | Shirik | I can't begin to parse this |
| 05:09.33 | Shirik | it's complicated |
| 05:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ... I saw that line and thought it was a smiley of sorts at the end |
| 05:09.42 | Arrowmaster | what was the actual line? |
| 05:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I had forgotten just how terrible mircscript is |
| 05:10.27 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what the notice was |
| 05:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | you know shirik, all of this could have been avoided if you hadn't dropped that line about mirc |
| 05:11.09 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kitten6.jpg |
| 05:11.19 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 05:12.50 | Shirik | hum |
| 05:12.55 | Shirik | if ($hget(nbs,popup_other) == 1) n.ptext - $chr(1) CTCP $chr(1) $npre CTCP/ $+ $replacecs($eval($1,1),MOTFV,VERSION) from $nick |
| 05:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | no more, please |
| 05:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | it burns |
| 05:13.13 | Shirik | curious |
| 05:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | BURNS |
| 05:13.24 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, that's better than PHP |
| 05:13.25 | Shirik | damn |
| 05:13.42 | Shirik | I guess I find mirc script simple because it steals a lot from basic |
| 05:13.50 | Arrowmaster | n.ptext is probably an alias to echo |
| 05:13.53 | ScytheBlade1 | no, it isn't, which is really saying something |
| 05:14.16 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I recognize that format |
| 05:14.21 | Shirik | I believe it's the popup I get in my bottom right |
| 05:14.39 | Shirik | I get a little popup whenever someone sends me a ping and the window is not active, or on any CTCP |
| 05:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ...................... @ xkcd |
| 05:15.21 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 05:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the word I would use for it |
| 05:16.26 | Shirik | too bad ScytheBlade1's response was not ("."):rep(28) .. " @ xkcd" -- In Lua to make it more noticable |
| 05:16.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Shirik |
| 05:16.55 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of Shirik |
| 05:17.08 | Shirik | or perhaps ("." .. (" "):rep(27)):rep(x) .. "@ xkcd" for any integer x |
| 05:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~kill Shirik |
| 05:17.35 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged pseudotachyon gun at Shirik |
| 05:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | oh come on |
| 05:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | thank you |
| 05:17.51 | Shirik | eh, it's only a pseudotachyon |
| 05:18.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ~kill Shirik |
| 05:18.08 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged pseudotachyon gun at Shirik |
| 05:18.11 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 05:18.24 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 05:18.36 | Shirik | Anyway, chronexaline is very effective against real tachyon beams |
| 05:19.23 | Shirik | pseudotachyons are trivial |
| 05:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ~whalenuke Shirik |
| 05:19.24 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Shirik with his mind powers. |
| 05:21.37 | VonhintenHOME` | Sounds like something out of Johnny Mneumonic |
| 05:21.52 | Shirik | ~wiki johnny mneumonic |
| 05:22.01 | Shirik | :/ |
| 05:22.06 | Shirik | wikipedia you fail me! |
| 05:22.15 | Thunder_Child | thats a great movie |
| 05:22.21 | Thunder_Child | though most people didnt like it :( |
| 05:22.25 | VonhintenHOME` | sorry, I misspelled mnemonic |
| 05:22.28 | Thunder_Child | ~imdb |
| 05:22.29 | purl | methinks imdb is the internet movie database at http://www.imdb.org |
| 05:22.33 | Thunder_Child | ~imdb blorb |
| 05:22.37 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 05:22.44 | Shirik | ~wiki johnny mnemonic |
| 05:22.55 | Shirik | yes, very useful, thank you |
| 05:22.59 | Thunder_Child | there really should be a imdb plugin |
| 05:23.11 | Shirik | the wiki plugin really should trim out all those info box craps |
| 05:23.33 | Shirik | anyway, it's from Star Trek, VonhintenHOME` |
| 05:23.43 | Shirik | specifically, Voyager's series finale |
| 05:23.44 | End | ~wiki johnny mnemonic (film) |
| 05:24.12 | VonhintenHOME` | I see |
| 05:24.28 | Thunder_Child | i lol at End |
| 05:24.39 | Shirik | I lol at Thunder_Child |
| 05:24.53 | End | I lol at your face |
| 05:25.08 | Thunder_Child | i've had worse |
| 05:25.25 | Thunder_Child | the mobs infront of vezax are BORING! |
| 05:25.28 | End | you could never have a worse face |
| 05:25.38 | Shirik | sure you could |
| 05:25.40 | Shirik | it could be yours |
| 05:25.43 | Shirik | oooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:25.48 | Shirik | ~burn |
| 05:25.50 | End | he can't have my face |
| 05:25.53 | End | I won't allow it |
| 05:25.55 | Thunder_Child | ~burn end |
| 05:25.56 | purl | ACTION pours gasoline all over end, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 05:26.09 | Shirik | wrong burn, but good enough |
| 05:26.10 | Fisker- | it could be mind |
| 05:26.12 | Fisker- | mine |
| 05:26.16 | Shirik | it could be mind too |
| 05:26.21 | Fisker- | fffffuuuuuuu- |
| 05:26.25 | Shirik | that would be a pretty ugly face |
| 05:26.26 | Fisker- | i only slept for 3 hours |
| 05:26.32 | Fisker- | even less than that actually |
| 05:26.34 | End | mindface? |
| 05:26.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:26.50 | Thunder_Child | actually Shirik, that would be correct |
| 05:26.50 | Shirik | imagine that |
| 05:26.57 | Shirik | you have so much intelligence |
| 05:26.58 | Thunder_Child | end comment was to me which means yours had to be to him |
| 05:27.03 | Shirik | but can't use it because you can't see anything |
| 05:27.29 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I meant that I was expecting an "ooooo burn" out of purl, and not a gasoline fire |
| 05:27.36 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 05:27.43 | Thunder_Child | ya...you would have to go make it |
| 05:27.46 | End | Thunder_Child is bad |
| 05:28.43 | Thunder_Child | very |
| 05:29.40 | Shirik | well |
| 05:29.43 | Shirik | he has a digital camera |
| 05:29.46 | Shirik | so his goodness is limited already |
| 05:29.58 | Thunder_Child | oh..so that 5d is for me then? |
| 05:30.26 | Shirik | it's sad, isn't it :( |
| 05:30.34 | Shirik | but I don't have it yet! |
| 05:30.40 | Shirik | So I have a few more days/weeks/months of goodness |
| 05:31.03 | Thunder_Child | then you will get the 5d and wonder how yyou lived w/o it |
| 05:33.52 | Shirik | maybe |
| 05:34.00 | Shirik | or maybe I will be depressed that I can never return to film |
| 05:34.09 | Shirik | because the camera companies destroyed it |
| 05:35.10 | Thunder_Child | if you kill yourself over it can i have your camera? |
| 05:35.51 | Shirik | sure |
| 05:35.53 | Shirik | I'll put it in my will |
| 05:36.04 | Shirik | so as long as the bank doesn't reposess it |
| 05:36.05 | Thunder_Child | sweet, thanks |
| 05:36.21 | Shirik | (80 years later, Thunder_Child gets a 5D) |
| 05:36.27 | Shirik | that would be hilarious |
| 05:41.10 | Thunder_Child | no, i only said if you kill yourself over it |
| 05:43.39 | ZorbaTHut | woot green proto-drake |
| 05:44.35 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: but it's a will |
| 05:44.37 | Shirik | I die, you get |
| 05:44.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i said spicificly |
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| 05:44.56 | Thunder_Child | ! ! ! ! ! |
| 05:45.07 | Shirik | I don't think a lawyer would be too willing (no pun intended) to put "If killed by suicide...." |
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| 05:48.41 | Thunder_Child | they will put in whatever you want afaik |
| 05:54.12 | Shirik | NIGHT NIGHT |
| 05:54.21 | Shirik | extremely important so made it in caps |
| 05:54.23 | Shirik | fyi |
| 05:55.12 | Thunder_Child | night Shirik |
| 05:55.22 | Shirik | why does mirc have a /dline command that is completely unrelated to the IRC concept of a d-line |
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| 06:03.08 | Arrowmaster | because you cant do anything with the irc concept of a dline from a client? |
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| 07:15.04 | Thunder_Child | anyone remeber what that new stat website was again? like wws |
| 07:15.22 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 07:15.24 | Thunder_Child | found it |
| 07:17.56 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: which :D? |
| 07:18.57 | Thunder_Child | http://www.worldoflogs.com/ |
| 07:19.05 | Thunder_Child | Industrial: ^ |
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| 07:54.20 | Matsy | Sigh |
| 07:54.23 | Matsy | ;( |
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| 07:59.01 | Fisker- | slaps Matsy around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:59.24 | Matsy | :( |
| 07:59.26 | Matsy | What! |
| 07:59.32 | Matsy | I'm already dipping in misery |
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| 08:30.16 | Matsy | begs for Eclipse to be fixed |
| 08:48.10 | krka | fixed? |
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| 09:04.55 | Taroven | Fixed? |
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| 09:23.20 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 09:23.27 | Matsy | The Eclipse servers are experiencing MAJOR timeouts. |
| 09:28.23 | Grum | Eclipse servers? |
| 09:28.25 | Grum | that sounds cool |
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| 09:32.04 | laeg | can you get a prof to 425 at level 60? |
| 09:42.17 | laeg | just i'm wondering if i can get this trinket at 60 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41121 |
| 09:42.35 | laeg | shadowpanther's lists it as the best trinket for level 60 pvp and i'm wondering why he did so if you need to be 65 |
| 09:42.41 | laeg | gnomish lightning generator |
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| 10:13.42 | Fisker- | outplayed! |
| 10:14.14 | Grum | gulps it all in and farts on Fisker- |
| 10:14.25 | Grum | recyclefartedupon! |
| 10:18.16 | Fisker- | farts so hard that chunks fly off |
| 10:18.27 | Fisker- | outplayed Grum |
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| 10:21.24 | terkitos | hi |
| 10:22.12 | terkitos | I'm starting wow addon programming |
| 10:22.28 | terkitos | and I have two questions |
| 10:22.37 | zenzio | go ahead |
| 10:22.40 | terkitos | well |
| 10:22.44 | terkitos | I did the xml part |
| 10:22.54 | terkitos | with buttons checkbox... and so on |
| 10:23.03 | terkitos | but every time I log in into my account |
| 10:23.07 | terkitos | the addon is shown |
| 10:23.12 | terkitos | i dont want that |
| 10:23.35 | zenzio | set hidden="true" on the base frame |
| 10:23.39 | terkitos | how can I make the addon shown only in the first load?, I made /slash commands |
| 10:23.55 | terkitos | ahh |
| 10:24.00 | terkitos | ok |
| 10:24.05 | zenzio | you want it to show automatically the first time, but not after that? |
| 10:24.35 | terkitos | yes, if it's not hard ^^ |
| 10:24.59 | zenzio | that takes a bit more work |
| 10:25.11 | zenzio | you would have to use a savedvariable |
| 10:25.54 | terkitos | yes, I did that savedvariable |
| 10:26.00 | terkitos | but dont know how to use it :P |
| 10:26.15 | terkitos | i'm starting and I dont know how to set and where set variables :S |
| 10:27.05 | zenzio | how did you do the savedvariable? |
| 10:27.39 | terkitos | I use wow ui designer |
| 10:27.53 | zenzio | oh, I'm not familiar with that, sorry |
| 10:27.55 | terkitos | in the .toc file |
| 10:28.25 | terkitos | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.29 | terkitos | taht line in the .toc file |
| 10:28.39 | terkitos | that* |
| 10:28.54 | zenzio | okay. Then in your .lua file you will have to create a global variable called aquien |
| 10:29.49 | terkitos | like " global aquien = "abcd"; " |
| 10:29.56 | terkitos | ? |
| 10:30.03 | zenzio | without the "global", yet |
| 10:30.15 | zenzio | if you don't specify "local" before a variable in lua, it becomes global |
| 10:30.22 | zenzio | *yes |
| 10:30.28 | terkitos | okay |
| 10:30.43 | terkitos | I set it to true |
| 10:31.33 | terkitos | do I have to see an OnLoad event and see if it's true set it to false and show it |
| 10:31.38 | terkitos | and if it's false, do nothing? |
| 10:31.49 | zenzio | sounds correct |
| 10:32.47 | krka | zenzio: no, only if it wasn't declared local earlier in the scope |
| 10:33.34 | zenzio | krka: I think that's what I meant, but I explained it in a bad way |
| 10:33.49 | terkitos | no, I didn't declared as local earlier |
| 10:33.50 | zenzio | thanks for pointing that out |
| 10:34.01 | terkitos | in that point, it's like java |
| 10:34.34 | terkitos | on load: if (aquien) then aquien = false; form:Show(); end |
| 10:34.56 | terkitos | It's correct, right? :P |
| 10:35.01 | krka | where do you set it to true? |
| 10:35.10 | terkitos | in .lua file |
| 10:41.25 | terkitos | I hate when I dont make it working |
| 10:42.36 | krka | i hate it when i sentencing fail at |
| 10:43.40 | terkitos | what? |
| 10:44.39 | terkitos | how can I see the state of a checkbox? |
| 10:44.51 | jnwhiteh | !api GetChecked |
| 10:44.51 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GetChecked': CheckButton:GetCheckedTexture, CheckButton:GetChecked |
| 10:45.02 | jnwhiteh | !api CheckButton:GetChecked |
| 10:45.02 | lua_bot | CheckButton:GetChecked: Returns if a checkbutton is checked (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/CheckButton/GetChecked) |
| 10:45.03 | terkitos | a GetChecked! |
| 10:45.10 | terkitos | omg |
| 10:45.23 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/CheckButton shows all possible methods and scripts. |
| 10:45.25 | terkitos | I tried: Checked, isChecked, selected etc.. |
| 10:45.33 | jnwhiteh | well, why would you not look at the reference =) |
| 10:45.35 | jnwhiteh | that's why we wrote it. |
| 10:46.13 | terkitos | because I didn't know that reference |
| 10:46.19 | terkitos | but now I'm looking that |
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| 10:46.51 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy may help as well, to get stuff at a glance |
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| 10:50.19 | laeg | crap they raised the engineering grandmaster from level 60 to 65 |
| 10:50.20 | laeg | :( |
| 10:51.29 | zenzio | grand master, that's the WotLK one? |
| 10:51.32 | laeg | ya |
| 10:51.44 | laeg | was hoping to get level 425 for gnomish lightning generator for av level 60 |
| 10:52.53 | zenzio | haxx ;) |
| 10:53.33 | zenzio | I'm considering doing something crazy on my troll priest when I ding 80... gathering up a bunch of resources and then taking something like engineering and leatherworking |
| 10:53.44 | zenzio | just for kicks |
| 10:53.55 | terkitos | and last question :P |
| 10:54.04 | Matsy | Uh |
| 10:54.07 | laeg | i love engineering |
| 10:54.10 | Matsy | Engineering is insanely easy to train |
| 10:54.27 | zenzio | I didn't say it would be hard, just crazy |
| 10:54.28 | Matsy | It's one of the easiest professions, imo |
| 10:54.29 | terkitos | SendChatMessage("asdf"," .. variable .. ",nil," .. nickorchannel .. ") |
| 10:54.32 | laeg | i'm farming thorium easily enough in un'goro atm at then onto hellfire for fel iron |
| 10:54.38 | Matsy | You wouldn't need many resources either |
| 10:54.41 | laeg | zensio: why lw? |
| 10:54.48 | terkitos | if I set variable = "GUILD" will send it to the guild channel? |
| 10:54.52 | zenzio | because it wouldn't seem logical for a priest |
| 10:55.03 | laeg | but logic is our friend! |
| 10:55.19 | terkitos | I love jewelcrafting |
| 10:55.20 | terkitos | :D |
| 10:55.27 | zenzio | I'm trying to stop being logical all the time. Girls keep calling me Captain Serious |
| 10:56.00 | jnwhiteh | !api SendChatMessage |
| 10:56.00 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 10:56.07 | jnwhiteh | SendChatMessage("text" [, "chatType" [, "language" [, "channel"]]]) |
| 10:56.09 | Industrial | zenzio: but logic is is what you should cling to, as it is the core of your being vulcan! |
| 10:56.23 | jnwhiteh | SendChatMessage("Foo", "GUILD") |
| 10:56.26 | jnwhiteh | will send "Foo" to GUILD |
| 10:56.28 | terkitos | ye |
| 10:56.29 | terkitos | I know |
| 10:56.31 | jnwhiteh | ifd you want that to be a variable |
| 10:56.36 | terkitos | but I want to do it as a variable |
| 10:56.37 | terkitos | yes |
| 10:56.43 | jnwhiteh | var = "GUILD"; SendChatMessage("Foo", var) |
| 10:56.47 | zenzio | Industrial: you make a sound point |
| 10:56.50 | terkitos | aha |
| 10:56.52 | terkitos | ok |
| 10:56.54 | terkitos | I understand |
| 10:58.37 | Grum | zenzio: beats being called Faptain Serious |
| 10:58.48 | Industrial | zenzio: just tell those silly girls to deduct a clue \:D/ |
| 10:59.00 | zenzio | Grum: well, I do have 5/5 One-Handed Specialization |
| 11:05.21 | terkitos | !api GetText |
| 11:05.21 | lua_bot | GetText: Returns a formatted string from GlobalStrings. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetText) |
| 11:10.04 | Matsy | Lol |
| 11:10.15 | Matsy | I remember the fact that you could talk orcish by changing the language to it >_> |
| 11:10.18 | Matsy | As an alliance |
| 11:15.16 | terkitos | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115557 <- would be this correct? |
| 11:15.59 | durcyn | what is 'texti' in that context? |
| 11:16.30 | terkitos | a variable |
| 11:16.34 | durcyn | i mean, it's syntactically correct, variable scope notwithstanding |
| 11:17.05 | terkitos | ah |
| 11:17.11 | terkitos | texti it's the name of a textbox |
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| 11:17.29 | krka | generally people tend to use english terms when naming things |
| 11:17.52 | krka | SayWhisp.GetChecked <-- will always be true, since the function always exists |
| 11:17.58 | terkitos | :P |
| 11:18.05 | terkitos | ah |
| 11:18.16 | terkitos | would be SayWhisp.GetChecked()? |
| 11:18.34 | krka | SayWhisp:GetChecked(), most likely |
| 11:19.06 | terkitos | ok |
| 11:19.27 | Matsy | What's the : character for? |
| 11:19.30 | Matsy | What does it imply? |
| 11:20.22 | krka | you should really read PiL, it's a good introduction to the lua programming language |
| 11:20.38 | Grum | Matsy: ':' in Foo:Bar(...) is syntactic sugar for: Foo.Bar(Foo, ... ) |
| 11:20.44 | Matsy | Ah. |
| 11:20.49 | Grum | and as side effect it will assign 'Foo' to 'self' |
| 11:20.54 | Matsy | Makes sense |
| 11:21.10 | Grum | and i think it also assigned it to 'this' :D |
| 11:21.17 | Matsy | this? |
| 11:21.27 | krka | it's not purely syntactic sugar - it also uses a separate bytecode instruction |
| 11:21.31 | Grum | yes 'this' (what you would use in java(script)) |
| 11:21.33 | krka | but close enough |
| 11:21.43 | Grum | krka: true |
| 11:21.46 | Matsy | Weird stuff. |
| 11:21.55 | Grum | its how languages like this cope with OO :) |
| 11:22.06 | Matsy | They just add it for the sake of OO |
| 11:22.17 | Matsy | Like every "cool" language |
| 11:22.22 | Matsy | wtb real OO |
| 11:22.25 | krka | much better than in javascript, where they have the same problem but decided to solve it with magic instead |
| 11:32.22 | jnwhiteh | Matsy: real OO severely limits what a language can express |
| 11:32.37 | jnwhiteh | in my opinion |
| 11:32.47 | jnwhiteh | whereas in Lua you can write code in any number of styles or paradigms |
| 11:33.01 | jnwhiteh | sure they're not perfect, but it did begin its life as a DSL, which explains the evolution :P |
| 11:34.09 | Matsy | I'm not a real fan of OO ;p |
| 11:34.13 | Matsy | Well |
| 11:34.24 | jnwhiteh | then |
| 11:34.24 | jnwhiteh | 12:22 Matsy: wtb real OO |
| 11:34.25 | Matsy | A combination of Functional Programming and OO = what I prefer. |
| 11:34.27 | jnwhiteh | what would that gain you |
| 11:34.35 | Matsy | Readability. |
| 11:34.44 | jnwhiteh | I'm not so sure about that |
| 11:34.48 | jnwhiteh | I can make absurdly readable OO code in Lua |
| 11:34.56 | jnwhiteh | many people have/do |
| 11:35.05 | Matsy | Eh |
| 11:35.20 | Matsy | The more numbers in which an application can be written(The amount of paradigms, really), kinda ruins the readability. |
| 11:35.31 | jnwhiteh | not inherently |
| 11:35.43 | Matsy | With real OO languages, there's mostly just 'one' style in which an application can be written (If done properly) |
| 11:35.56 | Grum | like java |
| 11:35.56 | jnwhiteh | sure, I agree |
| 11:35.59 | jnwhiteh | same with functional languages |
| 11:36.02 | Matsy | .. There's a huge difference with Functional Languages |
| 11:36.04 | Matsy | What, no. |
| 11:36.04 | Grum | which restricts your ass until it bleeds |
| 11:36.13 | jnwhiteh | but the fact is, Lua can express both |
| 11:36.17 | jnwhiteh | just not as well as either |
| 11:36.19 | jnwhiteh | in your regard |
| 11:36.24 | Matsy | Lua can express itself as a functional programming language? |
| 11:36.24 | jnwhiteh | I think that's part of what I like about Lua |
| 11:36.29 | jnwhiteh | Sure, why not? |
| 11:36.32 | jnwhiteh | it has higher order functions |
| 11:36.34 | jnwhiteh | that's all you need |
| 11:36.37 | jnwhiteh | sure, there's no pattern matching |
| 11:36.46 | Matsy | Is there distinct recursion? |
| 11:36.51 | jnwhiteh | but that's not a _necessary_ feature |
| 11:37.00 | jnwhiteh | "distinct" recursion? |
| 11:37.03 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 11:37.15 | Matsy | Optimized recursion, instead of just calling the same function over and over again |
| 11:37.44 | jnwhiteh | not sure i've encountered that in my functional programming.. which would be odd. |
| 11:37.44 | a_nil_value | supposedly LuaJIT is one of the most ideal programing languages by measureable standards |
| 11:37.48 | a_nil_value | alongside OCaml |
| 11:38.08 | jnwhiteh | seeing an example would help |
| 11:38.23 | Matsy | Going to pastebin a wikipedia example |
| 11:38.24 | Matsy | One second |
| 11:38.26 | jnwhiteh | but I have to run to lunch |
| 11:38.49 | Matsy | http://pastebin.com/mfd5e130 |
| 11:39.13 | jnwhiteh | yes, a function can call itself |
| 11:39.16 | jnwhiteh | and tail calls are optimized |
| 11:39.19 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:39.20 | Matsy | Hmm. |
| 11:39.22 | jnwhiteh | if that's what I am reading |
| 11:39.22 | Matsy | I'm amazed |
| 11:39.25 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 11:39.26 | jnwhiteh | so yes.. it can absolutely do that. |
| 11:39.33 | Matsy | Yet |
| 11:39.37 | Matsy | I don't have the "feeling" |
| 11:39.42 | Matsy | Of writing in a functional language |
| 11:39.51 | jnwhiteh | no, but that's syntactic |
| 11:39.52 | jnwhiteh | not semantic |
| 11:39.55 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 11:39.59 | jnwhiteh | so write a parser |
| 11:40.03 | jnwhiteh | that translates code to Lua code |
| 11:40.04 | Matsy | I'm too used to F#, I suppose. |
| 11:40.04 | krka | what do you mean by optimized recursion? lua certainly has tailcalls atleast |
| 11:40.05 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:40.12 | Matsy | Haha. |
| 11:40.14 | Grum | what on earth is that jnwhiteh? :P |
| 11:40.16 | Matsy | That'd be impossible. |
| 11:40.17 | Grum | what language? |
| 11:40.23 | jnwhiteh | Grum: what on earth is what? |
| 11:40.25 | Matsy | The one I linked? |
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| 11:40.30 | Grum | oh sorry Matsy |
| 11:40.32 | Grum | yeah :D |
| 11:40.33 | Matsy | That's F#. |
| 11:40.39 | jnwhiteh | what Matsy linked is pretty much any functional language |
| 11:40.43 | Grum | err is that like C -> D -> E -> F ? :P |
| 11:40.43 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 11:40.52 | Matsy | F as in, Functional ;p |
| 11:40.57 | jnwhiteh | factorial 0 = 1 |
| 11:40.59 | jnwhiteh | factorial 1 = 1 |
| 11:41.03 | Matsy | And, # to imply it is a .NET language |
| 11:41.05 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 11:41.06 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 11:41.07 | jnwhiteh | nvm |
| 11:41.09 | jnwhiteh | i go to lunch |
| 11:41.11 | Matsy | Okay ;p |
| 11:41.13 | Matsy | Have fun! |
| 11:41.16 | krka | i like the haskell style definition |
| 11:41.17 | jnwhiteh | i prefer haskell's pattern matching |
| 11:41.20 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.50 | Matsy | http://pastebin.com/m6d567ae2 |
| 11:41.51 | Matsy | That? |
| 11:42.15 | Grum | that just hurts my brain |
| 11:42.17 | krka | http://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html |
| 11:42.19 | Matsy | That's a lot like Haskell. |
| 11:42.23 | Grum | i cant sanely comprehend that :) |
| 11:42.30 | Matsy | Haha, Grum |
| 11:42.38 | Matsy | If you know it, it's actually very easy to see |
| 11:42.48 | Grum | yeah |
| 11:42.50 | Grum | i can read it |
| 11:42.52 | Matsy | You miss information, though |
| 11:42.52 | Grum | it just hurts |
| 11:42.53 | Grum | a lot |
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| 11:48.57 | terkitos | I have my addon working |
| 11:48.58 | terkitos | :D |
| 11:49.00 | terkitos | thx |
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| 11:58.38 | Wobin | I've found functional programming to be insanely logical |
| 11:58.40 | Wobin | but. |
| 11:58.58 | Wobin | if you don't get in the right mindset to begin with, it reads like it's in stereo |
| 11:59.02 | Aelobin | how can you get the locale of a realm (not the locale of the client being used) |
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| 12:00.53 | durcyn | i'm not sure it gets any more specific than GetCVar("realmList") |
| 12:01.57 | Aelobin | hmm k |
| 12:03.00 | Aelobin | i used to use GetCVar("locale") but that's just the client locale =/ |
| 12:03.08 | durcyn | the language-specific bits are pretty much all client side anyway, and realmlist lets you differentiate armory |
| 12:03.14 | durcyn | yeah, that should be the same as GetLocale |
| 12:03.30 | Aelobin | hmmm |
| 12:03.37 | Aelobin | is GetLocale() the realm or the client locale? |
| 12:03.42 | durcyn | client |
| 12:03.49 | Aelobin | kk |
| 12:03.55 | durcyn | since you can use any client locale on any server |
| 12:04.07 | Aelobin | aye, trying to get the realm locale though xD |
| 12:04.10 | Aelobin | like german realm etc |
| 12:04.52 | Matsy | Hmm. |
| 12:04.58 | Matsy | You could do some item tests, I suppose |
| 12:04.58 | Aelobin | should be able to just use GetCVar("realmList") |
| 12:05.15 | Aelobin | item names will be different only because of client locale :P not realm locale |
| 12:05.23 | Matsy | Uhuh. |
| 12:05.28 | Matsy | In a certain realm locale |
| 12:05.44 | Matsy | Items that are obtained are automatically in the language of that realm |
| 12:05.51 | Matsy | Right? |
| 12:05.59 | Aelobin | dont think so 0.o though i might be wrong |
| 12:06.12 | Aelobin | we've got germans on our realm that link items/spells in trade that are in german |
| 12:06.15 | Aelobin | on an english realm |
| 12:06.36 | jnwhiteh | I think you'd need a lookup list or realm names |
| 12:06.47 | Aelobin | jnwhiteh: tis why i'm doing it :P |
| 12:07.05 | durcyn | to what end, anyway? |
| 12:07.09 | jnwhiteh | But you don't need anything in-game to get that |
| 12:07.11 | jnwhiteh | just parse the realmlist |
| 12:07.16 | Aelobin | i made myself a lib ages ago for something like that, and it requires a locale to know the difference between EU and US realms that have the same name |
| 12:07.24 | Aelobin | but with GetCVar("realmList") i should be ok |
| 12:07.35 | Aelobin | as the only siimiliar realm names are between US and EU, not within EU |
| 12:07.44 | jnwhiteh | ah, okay |
| 12:07.48 | Matsy | Woo |
| 12:08.04 | Aelobin | last time i based the locale on client locale, and it messed up for all germans playing on our english realm xD |
| 12:08.22 | Matsy | I hate the locales anyway :< |
| 12:08.29 | Matsy | I see no reason why they exist |
| 12:08.37 | Aelobin | so GetCVar("realmList") will return "us.logon......" on a us realm? |
| 12:08.43 | Wobin | Cause everyone speaks English? |
| 12:08.43 | Matsy | I can see why German realms would exist, for latency issues |
| 12:08.46 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 12:08.50 | Wobin | oh of course |
| 12:08.57 | jnwhiteh | Matsy: ... |
| 12:08.58 | Wobin | Ni hao =P |
| 12:09.00 | Matsy | You need to be able to speak English in order to get proper customer support, billing support |
| 12:09.04 | Matsy | So, why not in-game? |
| 12:09.06 | jnwhiteh | no you donlt. |
| 12:09.08 | jnwhiteh | so stop =) |
| 12:09.12 | Matsy | Uh |
| 12:09.13 | jnwhiteh | you can get full support in french |
| 12:09.14 | jnwhiteh | for one |
| 12:09.16 | Matsy | Have you ever called the german customer support? |
| 12:09.21 | Matsy | I have , for one. |
| 12:09.22 | jnwhiteh | no, but i've called the EU support line |
| 12:09.26 | jnwhiteh | and you can certainly get non-english support |
| 12:09.29 | Aelobin | their's german/french GMs |
| 12:09.33 | jnwhiteh | regardless |
| 12:09.37 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 12:09.38 | Aelobin | *there's |
| 12:09.39 | jnwhiteh | GM's in game |
| 12:09.46 | jnwhiteh | are of the same language as the server |
| 12:09.48 | Matsy | There are so little of them. |
| 12:09.51 | Matsy | I know that much |
| 12:09.55 | durcyn | well, in that case, would you europeanss please start using periods to delimit decimals, list months first in dates, and stop using that silly euro currency |
| 12:09.56 | jnwhiteh | plus, people should be allowed to play a game in their native language |
| 12:10.04 | Matsy | Sure. |
| 12:10.07 | durcyn | oh, and i've got this thing you'll love called daylight savings time |
| 12:10.07 | Wobin | I have no doubt there are Chinese reps who speak chinese to the customers =P |
| 12:10.16 | jnwhiteh | that's why l10n exists |
| 12:10.22 | Aelobin | durcyn: i'll agree on the first one and last one |
| 12:10.32 | Matsy | Durcyn. Uh |
| 12:10.34 | Matsy | Silly euro? |
| 12:10.37 | jnwhiteh | months should not be first in dates |
| 12:10.39 | jnwhiteh | the year should be |
| 12:10.41 | jnwhiteh | followed by a two digit month |
| 12:10.44 | jnwhiteh | followed by a two digit day |
| 12:10.44 | Matsy | Our Euro has been beating your dollar for ages. |
| 12:10.48 | jnwhiteh | everywhere, always. |
| 12:10.53 | Matsy | Mostly because our banks don't make such silly mistakes. |
| 12:10.53 | Wobin | or day/month/year |
| 12:10.58 | Aelobin | tbh just gogo epoch time :P |
| 12:11.00 | jnwhiteh | Matsy: ... |
| 12:11.03 | Matsy | What. |
| 12:11.05 | Matsy | It's true? |
| 12:11.13 | jnwhiteh | your statements show such an absurd lack of knowledge wrt economics |
| 12:11.15 | jnwhiteh | i don't even know where to begin |
| 12:11.19 | Matsy | Oh? |
| 12:11.20 | jnwhiteh | that's not how things work |
| 12:11.21 | durcyn | Matsy: reductio ad absurdum |
| 12:11.27 | Matsy | Then. |
| 12:11.30 | jnwhiteh | the US dollar is worth more than the kroner |
| 12:11.37 | jnwhiteh | but the kroner is by far the stronger currency |
| 12:11.38 | Matsy | I'm talking about the Euro. |
| 12:11.39 | jnwhiteh | so, fail. |
| 12:11.40 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:11.43 | jnwhiteh | my point is |
| 12:11.47 | jnwhiteh | a one to one comparison doesn't matter |
| 12:11.51 | jnwhiteh | the relative comparison does |
| 12:11.54 | Wobin | worth ~= strength |
| 12:11.57 | Matsy | I know. |
| 12:11.58 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 12:12.07 | jnwhiteh | worth is a function of the money backing a currency |
| 12:12.11 | jnwhiteh | primarily |
| 12:12.28 | jnwhiteh | exchange rate != worth either |
| 12:12.37 | Matsy | So |
| 12:12.38 | a_nil_value | We can give you Democracy, or bomb you. |
| 12:12.43 | jnwhiteh | there's so much that factors into a comparison of two currencies |
| 12:12.51 | jnwhiteh | you can't just make a comparison like that |
| 12:12.53 | Matsy | You're denying the fact that the Euro is a stronger currency? |
| 12:13.07 | jnwhiteh | It is worth more |
| 12:13.10 | Aelobin | gogo great british pound :D |
| 12:13.12 | Matsy | Nono |
| 12:13.25 | Matsy | I'm talking about the strength of the currency. |
| 12:13.28 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:13.32 | jnwhiteh | I'm aware |
| 12:13.36 | Wobin | How many semi trailers it can lift, and so forth |
| 12:13.37 | jnwhiteh | and I'm intentionally not answering your question |
| 12:13.44 | jnwhiteh | ebcause the strength of a currency is not something that is easily measured |
| 12:13.49 | Matsy | Oh |
| 12:13.50 | Matsy | Not easily |
| 12:13.51 | jnwhiteh | is the euro more resilient to fluctuations in the market |
| 12:13.52 | jnwhiteh | YES |
| 12:13.53 | Matsy | But, it has been measured. |
| 12:13.54 | jnwhiteh | absolutely |
| 12:13.58 | Matsy | Far more. |
| 12:14.10 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 12:14.12 | jnwhiteh | but I can't say that |
| 12:14.15 | jnwhiteh | because I'm not an ecomonism |
| 12:14.16 | Aelobin | i thing wow gold is a strong currency :> |
| 12:14.20 | jnwhiteh | however, |
| 12:14.24 | jnwhiteh | regardless of that |
| 12:14.30 | jnwhiteh | its' not because "we make stupid mistakes" |
| 12:14.32 | jnwhiteh | that's what i object to |
| 12:15.04 | Matsy | You're right that I shouldn't have said it like that |
| 12:15.06 | durcyn | anyway, the moral of this story is that Matsy doesn't detect sarcasm in text very well |
| 12:15.14 | jnwhiteh | good, then we're in agreement. |
| 12:15.29 | Matsy | Durcyn. In serious conversations, one shouldn't use sarcasm |
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| 12:15.39 | durcyn | this isn't a serious conversation |
| 12:15.47 | Matsy | Then, what was it? |
| 12:15.55 | jnwhiteh | me objecting to two of your absurd statements |
| 12:15.59 | jnwhiteh | that software should not be localized |
| 12:16.05 | jnwhiteh | and that the strength of the us dollar is a factor of how stupid people are |
| 12:16.08 | Matsy | I wasn't saying that. |
| 12:16.12 | Matsy | What |
| 12:16.12 | jnwhiteh | neither of which have any merit in my opinion |
| 12:16.17 | Matsy | ... |
| 12:16.21 | jnwhiteh | and yes, that's a paraphrase, not a direct quote. |
| 12:16.25 | Matsy | <@jnwhiteh> and that the strength of the us dollar is a factor of how stupid people are |
| 12:16.38 | Matsy | I'm not even going to explain how far off that is |
| 12:16.47 | jnwhiteh | 13:10 Matsy: Our Euro has been beating your dollar for ages. |
| 12:16.47 | jnwhiteh | 13:10 Matsy: Mostly because our banks don't make such silly mistake |
| 12:16.52 | Matsy | Yes. |
| 12:16.53 | jnwhiteh | that sounds pretty close to me |
| 12:17.00 | Matsy | You're switching it. |
| 12:17.04 | jnwhiteh | and if not, then either you miscommunicated, or I misread your words |
| 12:17.07 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 12:17.17 | jnwhiteh | saying A is stronger than B because B doesn't make "such" silly mistakes |
| 12:17.25 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 12:17.27 | jnwhiteh | the second B should be a |
| 12:17.38 | jnwhiteh | is a direct implication that B is not as strong because it makes such silly mistakes |
| 12:17.41 | jnwhiteh | they're dual |
| 12:18.00 | Aelobin | specc |
| 12:18.13 | jnwhiteh | anyone familiar with pthread mutexes? |
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| 12:18.47 | Wobin | only in passing |
| 12:19.08 | jnwhiteh | have a SIGSEGV in __pthread_mutex_unlock_usercnt from pthread_cond_wait |
| 12:19.10 | jnwhiteh | trying to work it out |
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| 12:21.33 | jnwhiteh | splitsville! |
| 12:22.11 | Gnarfoz | /j ##economics |
| 12:22.11 | Gnarfoz | :O |
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| 12:22.37 | Matsy | jnwhiteh, what're you trying to do? |
| 12:22.46 | jnwhiteh | not do anything |
| 12:22.51 | jnwhiteh | this library has a deadlock in one version |
| 12:22.58 | Matsy | What library? |
| 12:22.58 | jnwhiteh | and a SIGSEGV in pthread in a nother version |
| 12:23.01 | jnwhiteh | libcsp |
| 12:23.02 | jnwhiteh | and libcsp2 |
| 12:24.21 | Matsy | ... |
| 12:24.24 | Matsy | Can't even say I konw that |
| 12:24.34 | jnwhiteh | I didn't suspect anyone would |
| 12:24.38 | jnwhiteh | they're incredibly obscure |
| 12:24.55 | Matsy | But then again, a Segmentation Fault is pretty generic |
| 12:25.07 | jnwhiteh | aye, that's why i'm troubleshooting it |
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| 12:29.04 | Matsy | Can't even seem to find it |
| 12:29.37 | dardack | morning all |
| 12:29.43 | dardack | or evening |
| 12:29.47 | dardack | if yoru somewhere else |
| 12:29.53 | Matsy | Afternoon ;p |
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| 12:31.25 | dardack | or that |
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| 12:31.51 | Cruciformer | hello all |
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| 12:34.22 | Aelobin | greetings inter-dimensional traveller |
| 12:34.28 | Fisker- | slaps Aelobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:36.46 | Cruciformer | I have a question about GetMasterLootCandidate(). Does that simply indicate which of the (up to 40) people in a raid group were present for a fight (i.e I can use it to see exactly who was there for the boss kill) or does it take into account things like a given class not being eligible for a tier token etc? |
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| 12:38.22 | Fisker- | Normal masterlooter don't |
| 12:39.32 | Cruciformer | pardon? |
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| 12:52.12 | Aelobin | is there a... dno what the word is |
| 12:52.19 | Aelobin | "common way" to do libs? |
| 12:52.24 | Grum | libstub! |
| 12:52.26 | Aelobin | xD |
| 12:52.28 | Cruciformer | LibStub |
| 12:52.38 | Grum | FIRST!?!?!!?!!!!!! |
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| 12:53.02 | Aelobin | is that easeh to do? :P |
| 12:53.11 | Cruciformer | very |
| 12:53.17 | Cruciformer | if you meant "easy" |
| 12:53.19 | Aelobin | i've never worked with libs before xD |
| 12:53.31 | Matsy | Bleh :< |
| 12:53.36 | Matsy | Doctor's appointment in 30 minutes |
| 12:54.04 | zenzio | that's what happens when you touch it too much |
| 12:54.11 | Matsy | ... :( |
| 12:54.17 | Matsy | Naw |
| 12:54.19 | Matsy | It's my lungs |
| 12:54.45 | Cruciformer | too much heavy breathing? |
| 12:54.55 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 12:55.06 | Matsy | And, only having 25% of the original lung capacity = fail |
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| 12:55.18 | zenzio | smoker? |
| 12:55.19 | durcyn | i told you those asbestos lollipops would catch up with you |
| 12:55.19 | Cruciformer | pneumonia or lung cancer? |
| 12:55.28 | Matsy | I'm guessing pneumonia |
| 12:55.32 | Matsy | And no, I dont smoke. |
| 12:55.42 | Matsy | I'll find out in 30 minutes |
| 12:55.46 | Cruciformer | i smoke like a chimney, even when I have pneumonia. |
| 12:55.53 | Matsy | I can't stand the taste ;p |
| 12:56.11 | Matsy | And, I have chronic bronchitis |
| 12:56.12 | Cruciformer | (which really sucks ... pneumonia is the pits, U feel like a wrung-out dish rag the whole time) |
| 12:56.15 | Matsy | So, it's not adviced to smoke |
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| 12:57.34 | Aelobin | would anyone care to explain how i go about adding libstub to a library then :p |
| 12:58.07 | Cruciformer | Look at any of the ace3 libraries guidance |
| 12:58.07 | durcyn | Aelobin: :NewLibrary |
| 12:58.19 | Cruciformer | *for guidance |
| 12:59.52 | Cruciformer | But essemntially you do something like: local LIB = LibStub:NewLibrary ("LIBRARY-NAME", "LIBRARY-VERSION"); if not LIB then return; end |
| 13:00.13 | Cruciformer | then the rest of the file is setting up the contents of LIB |
| 13:00.37 | Cruciformer | for example function LIB:Hello() print "hello"; end |
| 13:01.31 | Aelobin | =/ i get confused easily lol |
| 13:02.15 | Cruciformer | :) Then asking for quick advice on wow libraries is probably not going to be helpful and you should just look at example like all the libraries in Ace3 |
| 13:02.23 | Matsy | Is there any reason why WoW wouldnt implement such a thing as ACP? |
| 13:02.36 | Cruciformer | ACP? |
| 13:02.40 | Matsy | Addon Control Panel |
| 13:03.06 | Cruciformer | Dunno what that is so I cant comment. |
| 13:03.15 | Aelobin | local MAJOR,MINOR = "myLib", 1; local myLib, oldminor = LibStub:NewLibrary(MAJOR, MINOR); if not myLib then return end |
| 13:03.19 | Aelobin | so thats all i need to do? :P |
| 13:03.36 | Aelobin | wap that at the top and add the libstub lib to my library's folder |
| 13:03.38 | Cruciformer | pretty much yes |
| 13:03.54 | Cruciformer | makre sure libstub.lua is in your toc too |
| 13:05.14 | Aelobin | do i need a toc with a lib? |
| 13:05.20 | Aelobin | i know i need one with the addon using the lib |
| 13:05.37 | Cruciformer | No in your addon you need to make sure libstub is in its toc |
| 13:05.49 | Cruciformer | or that it is included by some xml file eetc |
| 13:07.08 | Matsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.10 | Matsy | lolol |
| 13:07.20 | Lopeppeppy | That one dollar dinner is hard to resist... |
| 13:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | .. she says, even before reading the article. |
| 13:08.00 | Matsy | yeah ;p |
| 13:08.13 | Matsy | The world's largest hamburger chain is one of the restaurant industry's top performers largely because its Dollar Menu has been attracting diners amid a lengthy recession that has sent unemployment sharply higher. |
| 13:08.15 | Matsy | Hahahahah |
| 13:08.25 | Matsy | You were EXACTLY right |
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| 13:13.32 | Matsy | Lopeppeppy |
| 13:13.33 | Matsy | Wait |
| 13:13.37 | Matsy | The one dollar menu is an actual menu? |
| 13:13.53 | Matsy | Because in here, the one dollar stuff is just 'one item' |
| 13:14.10 | Matsy | Never mind |
| 13:14.11 | Matsy | I misread |
| 13:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | *shrug* I don't eat fast food, so I have no idea what is on their dollar menu, but I hear tell that it's a bunch of things that change sometimes. |
| 13:14.30 | Matsy | Neither do I >_> |
| 13:14.37 | Matsy | I should eat some |
| 13:14.41 | Matsy | But gahh |
| 13:14.44 | Matsy | Can't gain weight |
| 13:15.05 | Matsy | Anyway |
| 13:15.09 | Matsy | Gotta go do the doctor's now |
| 13:15.12 | Matsy | Bye! ;p |
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| 13:18.14 | Jrdcl | Anyone know at what stage/event I can call UIParent:GetWidth() to get the proper value? If I call it too soon, it gives me a smaller number than after the UI is loaded. :/ |
| 13:20.16 | Kraps | anyone here have the G15 keyboard? |
| 13:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | I looked at one and passed it by, Kraps. Is yours not working? |
| 13:21.43 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:21.45 | jnwhiteh | ammen vale lashing |
| 13:21.58 | Kraps | no, i want to know if it has a plug for power |
| 13:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | A USB port? |
| 13:22.29 | Kraps | besides the usb port |
| 13:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=us,en |
| 13:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think it has anything other than the USB port. |
| 13:23.13 | durcyn | it's not powered |
| 13:23.25 | jnwhiteh | which tourney pet sells for the most i wonder |
| 13:23.34 | durcyn | the broom |
| 13:23.46 | Kraps | the g19 has a power cord right? |
| 13:23.55 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: what broom? |
| 13:24.24 | durcyn | the blood-elf pet. oh, you're alliance, aren't you |
| 13:24.30 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 13:24.31 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:24.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Kraps. You can find the specifications right on the Logitech site. http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/4956&cl=us,en |
| 13:24.54 | Kraps | yeah i see it now |
| 13:27.46 | Kraps | i think i'll buy the g15, dont really need another cord...\ |
| 13:28.08 | durcyn | depends if you need/want powered USB ports |
| 13:29.55 | Kraps | meh |
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| 13:41.48 | Kraps | the kirin to rings are on separate cds from the hearthstone? |
| 13:42.01 | Kraps | kirin tor |
| 13:42.14 | Lopeppeppy | I highly doubt it. But maybe. |
| 13:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | The Ruby Slippers shared the cooldown of the hearthstone. |
| 13:43.03 | Kraps | the things are fricken expensive |
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| 13:45.07 | Lopeppeppy | If you look one up on wowhead, it should tell you whether the cooldown is shared or not. |
| 13:46.05 | durcyn | it's separate. |
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| 14:06.07 | Grum | KirinTor is cheap, pfft people with out wow money! get a life! :D ... o.O |
| 14:13.16 | Kraps | hehe |
| 14:13.46 | Kraps | i would have enough if i wasnt leveling enchanting |
| 14:14.50 | haste | it is quite cheap tho' :P |
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| 14:14.56 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:16.09 | Kraps | haste: sure sure |
| 14:16.36 | haste | not like 9k is a lot of gold anymore |
| 14:17.02 | Grum | i think it depends on if you raid or not |
| 14:17.12 | Grum | raiding is somewhat expensive :) |
| 14:17.20 | haste | raids. |
| 14:18.01 | Grum | ok let me rephrase, hardmode wiping is expensive ;) |
| 14:18.10 | kneeki | Grum: Very. |
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| 14:20.24 | Grum | ~200g worth of repaircosts (+150 depending on the class) and ~110g worth of flasks and ~90g worth of potions on a 4 hour wiperaid |
| 14:20.34 | kneeki | wow, neat |
| 14:20.43 | kneeki | that legendary mace has a cool bubble effect thing |
| 14:20.45 | Kraps | the guild i just joimd i think has a policy that the first night on a new boss, repairs are paid by the gbank |
| 14:20.56 | Matsy | Blehhh |
| 14:21.02 | Grum | add another ~140g for food if no-one provides feasts |
| 14:21.07 | Matsy | What |
| 14:21.09 | Matsy | 90g worth of potions? |
| 14:21.12 | Grum | this is assuming you wipe ~35 times orso |
| 14:21.12 | Matsy | What the hell are you using |
| 14:21.19 | Matsy | nvm |
| 14:21.21 | Aqua | . |
| 14:21.23 | Matsy | wiping 35 times = 90g |
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| 14:21.28 | Matsy | 1 potion per battle :< |
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| 14:21.48 | Matsy | What were you doing, Grum? |
| 14:21.51 | Grum | wild magic - ~35 pots == 70 plants .. minus procs is ~3 stacks for ~60g and add the price of the pots |
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| 14:22.13 | Grum | and then i discard the pygmy oils even :P |
| 14:22.21 | Matsy | What |
| 14:22.24 | Matsy | Why do you use Wild Magic potions |
| 14:22.28 | Grum | euuh .. pick a hardmode |
| 14:22.32 | Grum | any of them are dps races |
| 14:22.36 | Matsy | Oh, Ulduar. |
| 14:22.43 | Matsy | I see then |
| 14:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | I need to transfer my herbalist and get her up and running somewhere I'll actually play... *ponders* |
| 14:23.04 | Grum | so on a bad wipe night it is about ~550g orso :p |
| 14:23.12 | Lopeppeppy | Or just change my main's secondary from mining to herbing. |
| 14:23.22 | Matsy | I use potion of speed far more |
| 14:23.29 | Matsy | And, its a lot cheaper too ;p |
| 14:23.31 | Grum | speed is pointless for my class :) |
| 14:23.37 | Matsy | What are you? |
| 14:23.38 | Grum | nah its 4 gold per stack of plants cheaper |
| 14:23.40 | Cruciformer | its handy being the GM, I dont pay for repairs or mats |
| 14:23.40 | Grum | spriest |
| 14:23.43 | Grum | speed is pointless |
| 14:23.44 | Matsy | Spriest |
| 14:23.49 | Matsy | Do you get around with your rotation? |
| 14:23.59 | Matsy | You need to have like, 280 haste right |
| 14:24.09 | Grum | euuh i have >450 i think |
| 14:24.14 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 14:24.27 | Grum | 437 and 4xt8 setbonus |
| 14:24.31 | Stanzilla | licks Grum |
| 14:24.36 | kneeki | Anyone here with a raiding warlock as a main? I find that my TPS is so high, it's getting me in trouble |
| 14:24.46 | Grum | kneeki: spec -threat? :) |
| 14:24.53 | Matsy | What |
| 14:24.54 | Grum | and if it is still too high, get better tanks |
| 14:24.55 | Matsy | Thread in raids? |
| 14:24.55 | kneeki | I am already |
| 14:25.00 | Matsy | Thread problems/ |
| 14:25.02 | Matsy | What the |
| 14:25.03 | kneeki | threat, in raids |
| 14:25.08 | kneeki | yes |
| 14:25.12 | Matsy | threat :< |
| 14:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | Warlocks have *always* had threat issues. You run a very very fine line between being wicked DPS and being dead. |
| 14:25.21 | Matsy | But |
| 14:25.23 | kneeki | The ONLY tanks that can out TPS me is a warrior with vigilance, on me |
| 14:25.24 | Matsy | Since WOTLK came out |
| 14:25.26 | Grum | Matsy: on vezax or hodir i easily push out 12000 tps :) |
| 14:25.32 | Grum | try keeping up with that as a tank |
| 14:25.39 | kneeki | yeah |
| 14:25.41 | Matsy | If you're doing heroic mode |
| 14:25.43 | kneeki | Not even modifier fights tho |
| 14:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | My advice has always been to skip a cooldown, or count an extra second before laying in... and help your tanks out. Get them potions and awesome gear. |
| 14:25.52 | Matsy | The tank needs to be insanely geared too |
| 14:25.54 | Matsy | *hard mode |
| 14:26.00 | Matsy | So, that kinda compensates |
| 14:26.03 | kneeki | Hard Mode, heroic mode, doesn't matter |
| 14:26.04 | Stanzilla | no time for dps stops in hardmodes :D |
| 14:26.11 | [Ammo] | soulshattah |
| 14:26.14 | Matsy | And, don't you have a paladin in your group? |
| 14:26.15 | kneeki | I really dislike having to hold back my DPS =\ |
| 14:26.21 | kneeki | We do |
| 14:26.23 | [Ammo] | hand of salv |
| 14:26.26 | Matsy | Don't they help you? |
| 14:26.28 | kneeki | I'm being salved every cooldown |
| 14:26.31 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 14:26.33 | Matsy | Lol what |
| 14:26.34 | Kraps | agree with kneeki, i have problems with locks, mm hunters and some ret pallys |
| 14:26.49 | [Ammo] | get better tanks then because you should be fine with salvs shatter etc |
| 14:26.51 | kneeki | I'm also 2/2 Destruive Reach |
| 14:26.58 | Grum | our mages/locks/spriests/elem shammies are threatcapped most of the time |
| 14:27.11 | Matsy | Bleh |
| 14:27.13 | kneeki | The only time shatter is useful is if I'm waiting a good 30 seconds before I start dpsing, at LEAST 30 seconds |
| 14:27.16 | Matsy | I guess I can't join this convo as a healer. |
| 14:27.25 | Grum | and yeah they do manage with shatters/HoS |
| 14:27.25 | Matsy | >_> |
| 14:27.29 | kneeki | if I go any sooner, i'll pull threat too soon, making shatter useless in the long run |
| 14:27.40 | Grum | kneeki: what spec and fight? |
| 14:27.49 | kneeki | Deep destro, any fight |
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| 14:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | 30 seconds is way too long, kneeki... your tank does need some polish if it takes him that long to hold against you. |
| 14:27.55 | Matsy | Shatter? |
| 14:27.57 | Matsy | What is shatter? |
| 14:28.05 | [Ammo] | soulshatter |
| 14:28.08 | kneeki | use a soul stone to reduce threat by 50% |
| 14:28.08 | [Ammo] | reduce threat 50% |
| 14:28.14 | kneeki | 5 fucking minute cooldown |
| 14:28.20 | Matsy | Ah, I see. |
| 14:28.29 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: that's what I thought as well. But these tanks are guild main tanks. They know their shit |
| 14:28.46 | kneeki | It's making me look like an ass though. |
| 14:28.46 | Grum | kneeki: so how much TPS do you push out? |
| 14:28.52 | Grum | and how much does your tank push? |
| 14:29.01 | kneeki | Grum: I push more than the tank, that's the problem |
| 14:29.06 | Grum | so give numbers |
| 14:29.07 | Wobin | =\ |
| 14:29.12 | kneeki | On average, 5-6.5k or so |
| 14:29.17 | Wobin | had issues with his guild warlock building up too much threat |
| 14:29.20 | kneeki | on a fight with 0 modifiers |
| 14:29.28 | kneeki | on something like Hodir |
| 14:29.29 | Grum | any tank doing ulduar 25m should be able to do 6k tps |
| 14:29.30 | kneeki | well |
| 14:29.34 | kneeki | I have to soulstone myself |
| 14:29.35 | Matsy | Its just unfair with hunters. |
| 14:29.43 | Matsy | Hunters have absolutely NO threat problems |
| 14:29.50 | Matsy | At least, if they play it right |
| 14:29.57 | kneeki | I seem to have the most threat issues with Druids |
| 14:30.08 | Wobin | Felt bad, cause I wasn't doing my job properly =\ |
| 14:30.11 | kneeki | And last night, a well geared pally tank couldn't hold threat off me |
| 14:30.16 | Cruciformer | druid tanks or druid dps? |
| 14:30.22 | kneeki | druid tanks |
| 14:30.39 | Wobin | I know, technically, the dps should control their own threat, but as a tank, I kinda feel they shouldn't need to worry about it |
| 14:30.41 | Cruciformer | bear threat is less "spikey" than pally / dk / warrior |
| 14:30.56 | kneeki | I have decided that until i figure out wtf I'm doing wrong. I have to spec meta, for the way less DPS, burst, and raid buff.. I suppose |
| 14:31.07 | kneeki | Wobin: They shouldn't have to |
| 14:31.10 | Cruciformer | takes a little while to build up to a good tps, whereas the others can get an initial spike that gets them real high real quick |
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| 14:31.17 | Wobin | kneeki: indeed |
| 14:31.37 | kneeki | if my dps is suffering because I my class has naturally high threat. Why even take me, when you can take another class, that does a little bit more or less dps, with ZERO threat issues |
| 14:31.41 | kneeki | Mage, being a prime example |
| 14:31.42 | Grum | paladins are a delicate balance between like 7 stats orso |
| 14:31.48 | Wobin | but if I can't get a good head of threat going initially, it's easily overcome by uberpowered locks =) |
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| 14:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki, that's what I say about being a paladin healer. :( |
| 14:32.01 | Kraps | Wobin: if they pull threat constantly, i feel they should cut me a little slack |
| 14:32.04 | kneeki | mhmm |
| 14:32.06 | Grum | kneeki: what fights do you talk about btw? ulduar hardmodes? |
| 14:32.07 | Cruciformer | wobin: U a druid? |
| 14:32.08 | Matsy | What. |
| 14:32.10 | Wobin | DK |
| 14:32.13 | Matsy | Lopeppeppy |
| 14:32.18 | Matsy | Why the sad face. |
| 14:32.19 | kneeki | Grum: Any fight that lives longer than 2 minutes |
| 14:32.23 | Matsy | Don't you like your paladin healer? |
| 14:32.29 | Lopeppeppy | Matsy, I think kneeki understands me, that's all I was going for. |
| 14:32.32 | Grum | kneeki: so what is your dps? :D |
| 14:32.38 | [Ammo] | kneeki: sounds like your tank stops pushing tps then |
| 14:32.39 | Grum | must be 7-8k? |
| 14:32.41 | [Ammo] | slacks into the fight |
| 14:32.45 | kneeki | Grum: around there, yeah |
| 14:32.50 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: Shaman healers? |
| 14:32.58 | Wobin | Or shaman full stop, really |
| 14:33.02 | Grum | kneeki: that is too much dps hehe :p |
| 14:33.04 | Wobin | no threat reduction there =\ |
| 14:33.20 | kneeki | Not when the raid bosses have 30 mil + health |
| 14:33.20 | Wobin | not even shatter |
| 14:33.34 | Grum | kneeki: so what hardmodes did you already do? :D |
| 14:33.50 | kneeki | Grum: We're doing all that we can atm. We havn't tried mimiron yet though |
| 14:33.59 | Grum | because ~7-8k dps as lock means you are pretty much geared out |
| 14:34.03 | kneeki | We've been working on Freya with 3 adds |
| 14:34.11 | kneeki | I am |
| 14:34.27 | Grum | then the tanks should start moving towards more TPS oriented gear and less avoidance |
| 14:34.28 | kneeki | I need nothing from 10 man, and only like 8 things from 25 man |
| 14:34.31 | Wobin | are your tanks geared out? |
| 14:34.48 | [Ammo] | you need 8 things from 25? you're not geared out ;) |
| 14:35.00 | Grum | if the 8 things come from hardmode you are |
| 14:35.10 | [Ammo] | true |
| 14:35.10 | Grum | i only need gear from hardmodes from ulduar :( |
| 14:35.20 | kneeki | like 5 of the things are from hard mode |
| 14:35.24 | kneeki | i'll have to recount |
| 14:35.28 | [Ammo] | I need shittons because I never raid |
| 14:35.33 | [Ammo] | or rather, don't raid much |
| 14:35.51 | kneeki | And two of the things are main/off hand items, to replace my Lifebinder staff |
| 14:35.52 | Cruciformer | I need the uber bear staff from algalon :( |
| 14:36.09 | Grum | wtb uber dps staff from Hodir hard :P |
| 14:36.25 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe casters got loot before tanks, due to luck of the drop. That has happened to our group in the past. |
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| 14:36.52 | [Ammo] | we have a big lack of healer lot |
| 14:36.54 | [Ammo] | loot |
| 14:36.56 | [Ammo] | which sucks balls |
| 14:37.10 | Aelobin | is there a way to turn off that annoying DBM popup that appears if someone enters a group/bg with a more up-to-date version than you |
| 14:37.24 | [Ammo] | install bigwigs :p |
| 14:37.28 | Matsy | Hahaha. |
| 14:37.30 | Aelobin | half way through a fight in a BG and then all my spells end up being typed into that chat box >_< |
| 14:37.49 | Matsy | I'd say, follow Ammo. |
| 14:38.10 | Cruciformer | Aelobin: yeah ... visit www.deadlybossmods.com and install teh latest version already. |
| 14:38.28 | Aelobin | unless that has an option to turn it off, that isn't the solution i was looking for :P |
| 14:38.37 | [Ammo] | just delete dbm ;) |
| 14:38.43 | [Ammo] | and go with bigwigs |
| 14:38.47 | [Ammo] | my opinion is in no way biased |
| 14:38.51 | [Ammo] | I promise |
| 14:38.55 | [Ammo] | *hides crossing fingers* |
| 14:38.58 | Grum | i vote for Ammo |
| 14:39.11 | Matsy | ^ |
| 14:39.18 | Grum | anyhow, is there any significant difference between DBM and BigWigs other than the obvious fail |
| 14:39.26 | Matsy | No. |
| 14:39.39 | [Ammo] | main difference is bigwigs doesn't tell you what to do |
| 14:39.45 | [Ammo] | but it tells you stuff is happening |
| 14:39.51 | Matsy | nal Authors: Ammo , |
| 14:39.53 | Matsy | Haha. |
| 14:39.55 | Matsy | No wonder ;) |
| 14:40.03 | Grum | i prefer that actually |
| 14:40.05 | Matsy | s/nal/additional |
| 14:40.13 | Grum | the messages in DBM can severely clash with your tactics |
| 14:40.33 | Aelobin | does BW have battleground timers too? |
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| 14:41.31 | Matsy | Also :< |
| 14:41.31 | Matsy | Might be just me |
| 14:41.31 | [Ammo] | Aelobin: no, it's a pve addon, not a pvp addon |
| 14:41.31 | [Ammo] | but there's alternaatives like Capping, SSPVP |
| 14:41.31 | Matsy | But the DBM /range range checker is bugging out on me |
| 14:41.31 | [Ammo] | that do a much better job |
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| 14:41.31 | dardack | sigh never any horde in halaa and i need 167 tokens |
| 14:41.32 | Aelobin | well i liked the DBM bg timers, just not that annoying popup |
| 14:41.35 | Matsy | 167 tokens? |
| 14:41.37 | Matsy | For your mount? |
| 14:41.55 | dardack | 2 moutns |
| 14:42.02 | dardack | there was actually 2 there the other day |
| 14:42.04 | Aelobin | the crystal powder is the harder bit :< |
| 14:42.12 | dardack | i have the powder |
| 14:42.14 | dardack | that was easy |
| 14:42.23 | [Ammo] | I think they organized pvp events in halaa |
| 14:42.24 | Matsy | It's quite easy with two accounts |
| 14:42.27 | [Ammo] | on my server |
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| 14:42.32 | Matsy | Seriously? |
| 14:42.37 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 14:42.39 | Matsy | I want a realm like that |
| 14:42.44 | [Ammo] | just organize something on the realm forums |
| 14:42.45 | dardack | yea but how long to level from 55 to 72? |
| 14:42.53 | [Ammo] | and people got a shitton of powder and marks etc |
| 14:42.54 | Matsy | No one ever looks on our realm forums |
| 14:43.13 | Matsy | dardack, Shouldn't take too long |
| 14:43.15 | Matsy | 2 days? |
| 14:43.26 | dardack | ammo i tried |
| 14:43.28 | dardack | no bites |
| 14:43.38 | dardack | and no friends i have haave a high level horde |
| 14:45.13 | Aelobin | StaticPopupDialogs["DBM_OLD_VERSION"] << GOTCHA |
| 14:45.15 | Aelobin | xD |
| 14:45.36 | Aelobin | think thats it anyway 0.o |
| 14:46.10 | Matsy | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107800362561502755033.000449326809400c765d3&ll=52.52959 |
| 14:46.11 | Matsy | Lol |
| 14:46.22 | Matsy | Our realm has a player database |
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| 14:53.07 | AckisWork | attn ladies: is it not part of the responsibility of the female in the relationship to say "no you cannot wear that shirt, it has a stain in it?" |
| 14:53.15 | nicoli_s | hahaha |
| 14:53.25 | nicoli_s | i know that feeling 100% |
| 14:53.38 | nicoli_s | i get the "You are NOT wearing that out are you?" all the time |
| 14:53.46 | Gnarfoz | Matsy: interesting |
| 14:53.53 | AckisWork | yah I usually do, however this time she missed it lol |
| 14:54.01 | AckisWork | I'm here at work w/ a huge mustard stain on my shirt |
| 14:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, it is not her responsibility to dress you... it's her right to correct you when she does notice, however. :) |
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| 14:55.21 | durcyn | i think you're all missing the fact that she should be punished for cleaning his laundry incorrectly |
| 14:55.36 | AckisWork | pfft |
| 14:55.42 | zenzelezz | he should learn to do his own laundry |
| 14:55.45 | nicoli_s | i wish my lady did all my laundry for me, its about half and half |
| 14:55.58 | AckisWork | durcyn: exactly (actually laundry is her "chore") |
| 14:55.59 | Gnarfoz | ~durcyn++ |
| 14:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | It's her chore to wash it, not proofread it! :P |
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| 14:57.56 | durcyn | she should have dinner and a blowjob ready for you when you get home, Ackis, to show how truly sorry she is. |
| 14:58.20 | durcyn | okay, maybe that one was a bit much |
| 14:58.26 | AckisWork | ~durcyn++ |
| 14:58.32 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke durcyn |
| 14:58.33 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around durcyn with his mind powers. |
| 14:58.38 | Lopeppeppy | That was entirely too much, actually |
| 14:58.49 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: that was entirely appropiate |
| 14:58.57 | durcyn | what hath i wrought :( |
| 14:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I will seriously drop your gf a line on Facebook to set you straight! :) |
| 14:59.11 | durcyn | oh well, blame Ackis. |
| 14:59.46 | AckisWork | she'll ask me if this is one of my "ackis recipe list stalkers" first before she responds to you Lopeppeppy lol |
| 15:00.07 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 15:01.15 | AckisWork | I had one of those on facebook who added chantelle lol |
| 15:01.31 | cogwheel | The zombies... are coming.... RAWR |
| 15:01.46 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously need the full version of that game. |
| 15:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, cog! |
| 15:01.53 | cogwheel | hi2u |
| 15:02.22 | dardack | yawn |
| 15:02.59 | |Jelly| | COG! |
| 15:03.05 | |Jelly| | tackles cogwheel! |
| 15:03.09 | cogwheel | oof |
| 15:03.35 | AckisWork | my work PC is so slow |
| 15:05.18 | AckisWork | so we wake up this morning... half of kitties litter is on the floor... apparently he got really excited pooping last night. |
| 15:05.30 | nicoli_s | i hate it when kitties do that |
| 15:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | There's a reason that Miss Thing has a covered box. |
| 15:05.59 | AckisWork | this was a "learner" litter box for him |
| 15:06.14 | cogwheel | AckisWork: catgenie.com imo |
| 15:06.15 | zenzelezz | apparently he didn't learn much yet |
| 15:06.26 | AckisWork | hehe |
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| 15:08.29 | AckisWork | we have to get him dewormed, Chantelle thinks she saw one crawling around in the poop |
| 15:08.44 | AckisWork | which means we need to get the dog dewormed because he eats kitties poop |
| 15:09.54 | Lopeppeppy | Always a good idea to deworm the entire animal population at once. *nod* And be extra careful yourselves! |
| 15:09.57 | Kraps | my mailbox is overflowing with eots marks; stupid 100 mark limit |
| 15:10.52 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: aye, he was going to get dewormed last week but the vet wanted to make sure he was healthier first, he's on anti-biotics right now |
| 15:11.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh Ackis, kittens are such work! :) |
| 15:12.32 | krka | /use Goblin Kitty Dewormer |
| 15:13.30 | AckisWork | they're a lot of work, but hours of fun |
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| 15:16.19 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/08/funny-pictures-what-was-inside/ |
| 15:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | Poor kitten |
| 15:23.02 | laeg | is engineering now worthless for rogue arena since the rocket boots nerf? |
| 15:24.22 | Adys | arenas are worthless |
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| 15:42.14 | cogwheel | squee |
| 15:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ribbit? |
| 15:42.30 | cogwheel | there's finally competition for high speed internet in my area |
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| 15:42.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, nice. |
| 15:42.43 | cogwheel | Comcast can suck it imo |
| 15:43.16 | cogwheel | 3 times the speed for less $ = win |
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| 15:43.57 | jnwhiteh | time warner? |
| 15:44.01 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I had some competition, time warner is for suck around here. |
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| 15:44.14 | Lopeppeppy | Their infrastructure is... antique at best, tons of outages. |
| 15:44.18 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: not having competition sucks, but I didn't mind time warner, actually |
| 15:46.39 | nicoli_s | what company cogwheel? |
| 15:46.43 | nicoli_s | has comcast |
| 15:46.54 | cogwheel | at&t |
| 15:47.16 | cogwheel | offering $250 cash back and free installation |
| 15:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy, cog! |
| 15:47.46 | cogwheel | uverse |
| 15:47.48 | Lopeppeppy | Do it. |
| 15:48.04 | cogwheel | confirmation just printed :) |
| 15:48.46 | Lopeppeppy | If they come to my area I'll try them, I really hate the outages I get. |
| 15:49.28 | nicoli_s | thats nice, i use at&t for my phone |
| 15:49.35 | nicoli_s | is it internet only? or cable too |
| 15:49.42 | cogwheel | it's fiber |
| 15:49.51 | cogwheel | so they do tv & phone too |
| 15:49.57 | nicoli_s | sweet |
| 15:49.59 | nicoli_s | how much? |
| 15:50.13 | jnwhiteh | Proditor: ping |
| 15:50.30 | cogwheel | the deal i got is $129/mo for 18mbps internet and 250 channels including HD |
| 15:50.38 | mikma | cogwheel: welcome back |
| 15:50.41 | nicoli_s | thats pretty nice |
| 15:50.57 | cogwheel | i'm going to scale back the tv once i get my cash back though ;) |
| 15:51.05 | cogwheel | had to get the 2nd tier package to qualify |
| 15:51.11 | Wobin | sigh |
| 15:51.15 | Wobin | I want to switch ISP |
| 15:51.17 | cogwheel | mikma: hai |
| 15:51.20 | Wobin | but it'll involve a 2 week outage |
| 15:51.31 | cogwheel | ugh :( |
| 15:51.40 | mikma | cogwheel: that took you long enough to get back to the club crazy, now, never leave again! |
| 15:52.09 | Wobin | yet I'm still tempted to do it at some point =\ |
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| 15:59.13 | Industrial | Question: How do I move the PlayerFrame and TargetFrame without the frame fucking up when you enter and elave a vehicle? |
| 16:00.05 | Industrial | I do not appreciate my screen looking like this http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c43a6618454351f7e5f28a3faba53a7e.jpg all the time |
| 16:00.08 | Industrial | :p |
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| 16:01.26 | cogwheel | station! |
| 16:01.45 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:02.19 | |Jelly| | oh god |
| 16:02.49 | fsm | what can i do for you, |Jelly| ? |
| 16:03.20 | Cide | he's out of peanut butter |
| 16:03.30 | fsm | peanut butters |Jelly| |
| 16:04.11 | Industrial | peanut butter jelly time! now where ya at now where ya at now there ya go now there ya go |
| 16:04.33 | Industrial | peanut butta jeeelleh |
| 16:04.37 | Lunessa | ~whalenuke Industrial |
| 16:04.38 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Industrial with his mind powers. |
| 16:04.38 | Industrial | .. etc.. |
| 16:04.49 | |Jelly| | oh lawdy |
| 16:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:06.52 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:07.14 | Lopeppeppy | Needs huggles. Packing sucks it. |
| 16:09.06 | cogwheel | ~huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:09.10 | cogwheel | or something |
| 16:09.46 | AckisWork | hey anyone in Canada or want to move to Canada need a place to live? :P |
| 16:10.30 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 16:12.40 | AckisWork | gf and I want to buy a new house |
| 16:12.43 | AckisWork | a roommate would help w/ costs |
| 16:12.50 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 16:12.56 | mikma | is your roommate hot |
| 16:12.58 | AckisWork | we have a 54 inch tv, HDTV, and unlimited long distance in north america :D |
| 16:13.11 | AckisWork | mikma: you mean my girlfriend? *growls* |
| 16:13.14 | Matsy | Me, me! |
| 16:13.38 | mikma | ackiswork: no no, she's just your roommate to us |
| 16:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | I think she's pretty |
| 16:14.35 | AckisWork | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
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| 16:14.42 | AckisWork | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:14.48 | AckisWork | I think she's beautiful but I'm biased |
| 16:14.48 | AckisWork | :D |
| 16:15.01 | Cide | so do I, but I'm also biased |
| 16:15.07 | mikma | haha |
| 16:15.15 | AckisWork | wait wot |
| 16:15.18 | AckisWork | ahhhh |
| 16:15.22 | AckisWork | turns green |
| 16:15.23 | AckisWork | RAWRZ |
| 16:16.12 | AckisHulk | anyways I got a really nice house mailed to me |
| 16:16.18 | AckisHulk | wtb faster bank appointment for financing |
| 16:16.20 | AckisHulk | oh wait |
| 16:16.24 | AckisHulk | I haven't called htem yet roflz |
| 16:16.31 | Cide | wait.. houses are mailed nowadays? |
| 16:16.44 | AckisHulk | Cide: just add water |
| 16:17.02 | airtonix | gogoJetson |
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| 16:18.00 | Ose | I need an addon for searching through and playing sound files ingame |
| 16:18.10 | Ose | someone know of one? |
| 16:18.10 | AckisHulk | @project nostalgia |
| 16:18.12 | Repo | AckisHulk: http://www.wowace.com/projects/nostalgia/. Nostalgia. Game: WoW. Ackis (Manager/Author). Updated: 6 days ago |
| 16:18.19 | AckisHulk | it doesn't work |
| 16:18.27 | AckisHulk | but it plays ingame sounds |
| 16:18.34 | Ose | hmm |
| 16:18.37 | AckisHulk | notably the error messge sound |
| 16:18.39 | airtonix | when it works |
| 16:18.52 | AckisHulk | @describe nostalgia |
| 16:18.54 | Repo | AckisHulk: http://www.wowace.com/projects/nostalgia/. Nostalgia. Just a small project that will be worked on once ARL rolls out. Will allow you to play sequences of boss encounters on demand using the in-game files. ie: It'll let me easily play the Rag speech... |
| 16:18.57 | AckisHulk | I just haven't had a chance to test it yet |
| 16:19.00 | Ose | arl? |
| 16:19.01 | AckisHulk | and only yogg sounds are in |
| 16:19.08 | AckisHulk | arl? |
| 16:19.09 | AckisHulk | rawr |
| 16:19.14 | Ose | ARL* |
| 16:19.23 | Ose | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.28 | AckisHulk | ~arl |
| 16:19.41 | AckisHulk | purl is lagging today methinks |
| 16:19.46 | Ose | yep |
| 16:19.53 | Ose | I used to have one long ago |
| 16:20.15 | Ose | it was just a list of files and a very basic search function, but it worked |
| 16:20.38 | theorbtwo | <3's ARL... when it works. |
| 16:20.57 | AckisHulk | when it works? |
| 16:21.07 | AckisHulk | it always works |
| 16:21.16 | theorbtwo | AckisHulk: It seems to break pretty often on my system. |
| 16:21.21 | AckisHulk | oh? |
| 16:21.36 | Lunessa | So, I think Ackis is ill. 21 minutes and he hasn't said "penis" yet. |
| 16:21.39 | theorbtwo | Possibly I should turn off the dis-integrate libraries option on my curse client. |
| 16:22.11 | cogwheel | Lunessa: perhaps he should see a urologist? |
| 16:22.21 | Lunessa | Yes. Perhaps. |
| 16:22.34 | AckisHulk | theorbtwo: I run disembedded and haven't had an issue in a long time |
| 16:22.41 | AckisHulk | theorbtwo: join #arl pls |
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| 16:24.11 | AckisHulk | I get annoyed at people who say "bye now" |
| 16:24.48 | Shirik | bye now |
| 16:24.50 | Cide | hey there now |
| 16:25.05 | Cide | take care now |
| 16:25.07 | End | AckisHulk: hi now |
| 16:25.13 | AckisHulk | ~lart cide |
| 16:25.13 | purl | overclocks cide until cide burns out |
| 16:25.14 | End | bye meow |
| 16:25.15 | AckisHulk | ~rlart |
| 16:25.16 | purl | beats Primer severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 16:25.23 | End | bye, right meow |
| 16:25.25 | Cide | (did you catch the reference anyway?) |
| 16:25.52 | Cide | it was a boring one |
| 16:25.57 | AckisHulk | how do I check the version history of something w/ purl? |
| 16:26.18 | End | factinfo? |
| 16:26.19 | Cide | svn diff |
| 16:27.56 | AckisHulk | odd |
| 16:27.57 | AckisHulk | ~arl |
| 16:27.58 | purl | i heard arl is a poorly named add-on, developed by Ackis. It will scan your recipes and tell you which are missing, where to acquire them from (vendor, trainer, etc) and what skill level they are. Join #arl for more information. |
| 16:28.04 | AckisHulk | ah now it's working |
| 16:28.35 | Cide | poorly named? |
| 16:28.54 | AckisHulk | yes |
| 16:28.57 | Cide | why? |
| 16:28.59 | AckisHulk | terribly named better? |
| 16:29.03 | AckisHulk | ARL = Ackis Recipe List |
| 16:29.09 | Cide | I get that |
| 16:29.09 | AckisHulk | can you get a worse name than that? |
| 16:29.16 | Cide | yes.... |
| 16:29.25 | Cide | "Ackis" |
| 16:29.28 | AckisHulk | ... |
| 16:29.29 | Cide | what up-quake right there. |
| 16:29.34 | AckisHulk | ACKISSMASH |
| 16:29.46 | Cide | anyway |
| 16:29.54 | Cide | that's not a bad name if you ask me |
| 16:30.06 | AckisHulk | it's got me well known |
| 16:30.13 | AckisHulk | but it could be named better |
| 16:30.16 | AckisHulk | aka recipenator! |
| 16:30.22 | Cide | screw that |
| 16:30.25 | Cide | stupid names are stupid |
| 16:31.59 | Lunessa | LOL - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/6/5/ |
| 16:32.23 | AckisHulk | Lunessa: OLD |
| 16:32.38 | Lunessa | Still, very funny. :P |
| 16:32.42 | nicoli_s | someone must not refresh penny arcade every 10 minutes |
| 16:33.09 | Cide | that's the best PA comic I've seen |
| 16:33.20 | Cide | most aren't very good imo |
| 16:33.44 | Cide | xkcd on the other hand... |
| 16:36.31 | nicoli_s | i dunno i think penny arcade is usually pretty funny |
| 16:43.35 | Lopeppeppy | Today I am glad that I have an extra room, for the gracious gods have seen fit to send me house guests, and it was vile. |
| 16:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Thus will I shove everything into the extra room and close the damn door. :) |
| 16:44.28 | kneeki | lol |
| 16:44.30 | kneeki | http://www.xkcd.com/ |
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| 16:46.09 | Aelobin | lol xD |
| 16:46.30 | Pharaunmizz | lawl |
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| 16:52.27 | cogwheel | I'm more interested in the hurts than the hertz |
| 16:52.44 | Lopeppeppy | You're a good guy, cogwheel, Mrs. Cogwheel is lucky. |
| 16:53.00 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone who tried that on me would get a flushie, I promise, and a breakup right afterward. |
| 16:55.15 | durcyn | what the frell is a flushie? |
| 16:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | I stick your head in the toilet and flush it repeatedly until you drown. |
| 16:56.09 | durcyn | oh, a swirlie |
| 16:56.17 | durcyn | and why *my* head? i said nothing about hertz. |
| 16:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | You are a wise man. You can live. |
| 16:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | "You" was meant generically, btw, not personally. :) |
| 16:56.46 | Seerah | hehe |
| 16:56.55 | Lopeppeppy | Like the royal we, only external. |
| 16:57.25 | durcyn | i know, but for the sake of the conversation, ignorance had to be feigned |
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| 16:59.26 | Lopeppeppy | It does not pay to appear more stupid than you actually are. |
| 16:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | Read that again if you didn't get the dis. I'll wait. :) |
| 17:00.24 | durcyn | it's okay, you've got karma to burn |
| 17:01.02 | durcyn | and i'm flattered you'd waste it on me =P |
| 17:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | ooh, smooth in a backhanded way. Very nice. |
| 17:03.52 | Pharaunmizz | Is there a reliable way to distinguish between trade canceling from user, trade canceling from target, and trade competing? I'm looking at the different order of event triggers for _SHOW, _CLOSED, and _REQUEST_CANCEL (and _ACCEPT_UPDATE). So far I can get everything reliable except for the case in which a user accepts trade before the target and the trade successfully completes. |
| 17:04.24 | Pharaunmizz | I'm about to insert a short timer hook into _CLOSED just to see whether request_cancel fires or not... but it's sort of a hack |
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| 17:57.48 | Kraps | low level hunters cannot roll on spirit gear right? |
| 17:58.11 | Lopeppeppy | ... *dies laughing* |
| 17:58.17 | Kraps | :) |
| 17:58.24 | Lopeppeppy | However... it MIGHT be an upgrade for them in some legitimate way. More armor? |
| 17:58.29 | airtonix | hunters are not allowed to roll on anything |
| 17:58.31 | Kraps | i need mana! |
| 17:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | Or is it one of those stupid things with agility and spirit? |
| 17:58.48 | ronghail | except rogue trinkets |
| 17:59.12 | Kraps | need regen is all |
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| 18:00.29 | Kraps | 2 mob packs = no mana |
| 18:01.04 | NightHawkTheSane | if a hunter needs mana regen, they swap to aspect of the viper. |
| 18:02.12 | airtonix | wait? there's a hunter class? i thought they all died in the great exodus to northrend!?!?! |
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| 18:02.48 | Kraps | ok here goes... i did not know you could get viper at level 20 |
| 18:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you should check your trainer more often then |
| 18:03.45 | Lunessa | There's a reason hunters are given mountains of crap for being stupid... |
| 18:04.06 | AckisHulk | Kraps: was it you who knew crimm? |
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| 18:05.11 | Kraps | look, i dont have enough gold to buy stuff, i never play this guy, so i dont usually go to the trainer lately |
| 18:05.22 | airtonix | lulz |
| 18:05.37 | Fisker- | why so hulk AckisHulk ? |
| 18:05.45 | Thunder_Child | you should have enough gold just from general selling of crap |
| 18:05.53 | Kraps | AckisHulk: whos crimm? |
| 18:06.05 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, if you dont have the cash to buy your skills, you have bigger problems |
| 18:06.36 | Kraps | i usually send gold from my main... |
| 18:06.58 | Kraps | but i didnt on this guy |
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| 18:07.10 | Kraps | because i never play him |
| 18:07.26 | Thunder_Child | the point being is that you should not have to |
| 18:08.06 | AckisHulk | ACKISSMASHES Fisker- |
| 18:08.43 | AckisHulk | Kraps: guess that wasn't you then eh? :P |
| 18:08.56 | Kraps | no |
| 18:09.50 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i dont buy gear or do stupid shit like that, theres just never enough for skills |
| 18:10.19 | Kraps | 1 or 2 maybe |
| 18:11.04 | Kraps | i think it has to do with the accelerated leveling |
| 18:11.33 | Kraps | "accelerated " |
| 18:11.33 | airtonix | http://www.jdenison.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/macbookcommodorecompare.jpg |
| 18:11.33 | Lopeppeppy | That did change some of the dynamic, money always used to be scarce, now it's a bit more scarce at times. |
| 18:12.32 | Thunder_Child | i dunno...i am currently leveling a char atm and it has yet to run out of money |
| 18:12.48 | Kraps | i still cant bear to play my alts for more than one level at a time |
| 18:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | I start mine with 25 gold seed money, and some cheap bags, and then they either sink or swim |
| 18:13.07 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 18:13.08 | Matsy | Same here |
| 18:13.20 | Thunder_Child | the only thing i did was give him large bags...everything else can be earned |
| 18:13.36 | Kraps | large bags would be nice |
| 18:13.45 | Matsy | I do have heirlooms for all of my chars |
| 18:13.57 | Thunder_Child | i have a tailor so it's not that bad |
| 18:13.59 | Matsy | So I can sell all the weapons |
| 18:14.15 | Lopeppeppy | must look into hairlooms. |
| 18:14.18 | ronghail | riding and mount at 30 really? interesting |
| 18:14.27 | Matsy | They're really good. |
| 18:14.28 | Thunder_Child | and netherweave is the best for cost/size so i use that |
| 18:14.33 | Matsy | Especially the shoulders. |
| 18:14.37 | Matsy | 10% more exp, whaat |
| 18:14.45 | kneeki | uuggghhh! how do you go about adding a haste on use trinket into Simulationcraft? haste_trinket,rating=X,length=Y,cooldown=Z gives an error |
| 18:14.55 | Matsy | I still use Netherweave @ 80 |
| 18:14.56 | Matsy | Well |
| 18:15.01 | Matsy | Except for the BoP bags I have |
| 18:15.22 | kneeki | simcraft: Unknown option/value pair: 'haste_trinket,rating' : '432,length=20,cooldown=120' |
| 18:15.34 | Fisker- | oh u airtonix |
| 18:15.34 | Fisker- | http://www.dan-net.de/idoctor/iphone_stone.jpg |
| 18:15.36 | kneeki | changing the haste_trinket to the actual name does not help either |
| 18:15.37 | Fisker- | I lol'd btw |
| 18:15.44 | Fisker- | the new macbook has a SD card reader |
| 18:15.48 | Fisker- | and Firewire 800 |
| 18:15.58 | Kraps | [02:14:38]<Matsy>10% more exp, whaat that is SO not enough |
| 18:16.02 | Fisker- | ITT: Even a cup of shit would turn apple fans on |
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| 18:16.58 | Matsy | Not enough? |
| 18:16.59 | Matsy | What |
| 18:17.02 | Thunder_Child | a cup of shit already turned a half a million people on |
| 18:17.05 | Matsy | That + insane weapons |
| 18:17.11 | ronghail | leveling 1-60 without raf is crazy |
| 18:17.16 | Matsy | = uber leveling |
| 18:17.31 | Adys | Englies! I need your help |
| 18:17.35 | Adys | Eachother or each other? |
| 18:17.40 | Matsy | Eachother |
| 18:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | each other |
| 18:17.42 | Kraps | heirloom weapons? |
| 18:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | two words |
| 18:17.51 | Matsy | is quiet |
| 18:17.58 | Matsy | is ashamed |
| 18:18.02 | Adys | thanks peppy |
| 18:18.07 | Lopeppeppy | kiss kiss, Adys |
| 18:18.11 | Adys | always thought eachother but it kept highlighting it |
| 18:18.14 | Matsy | And yeah. |
| 18:18.14 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=qu=7;ub=5 |
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| 18:18.20 | Matsy | Heirloom weapons |
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| 18:18.30 | Matsy | Or, BoA items |
| 18:18.35 | Kraps | they make leveling better |
| 18:18.36 | Matsy | But |
| 18:18.37 | Kraps | ? |
| 18:18.40 | Matsy | Yes. |
| 18:18.52 | Matsy | more damage = faster killing = faster leveling |
| 18:18.52 | Kraps | i have a couple of shoulders |
| 18:19.11 | Thunder_Child | large bags = a ton of money |
| 18:20.00 | Matsy | Yea. |
| 18:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | Bags are bar none, the best thing my lowbies have. Fewer trips to the bank/town = faster leveling = win. |
| 18:20.18 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i agree, but i dont know if i'm gonna get my hunter to 80 4th or 7th |
| 18:20.39 | Kraps | so i dont think its wort it |
| 18:20.40 | ronghail | this year I have leveled every class to 60, I have trouble believing the ton of money thing, I guess I am just bad at leveling |
| 18:20.46 | Thunder_Child | netherweave bags arent that much |
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| 18:21.38 | Lopeppeppy | Anything that doesn't bind is a good bag to hand me down to lower characters. heck, even linen bags are more than they start with. |
| 18:21.49 | Thunder_Child | ronghail, you just need large bags...i have 600g on my 42 pally....granted that includes 2 gather professions i can sell off of but it would be resonable even w/o them |
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| 18:23.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well, if you think money is even remotely an issue, 2x gathering professions is just common sense |
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| 18:23.40 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i did it because i have other chars with professions and no gatherers |
| 18:23.45 | Lunessa | Traveller's bags, old Mooncloth bags (original WoW version), etc. |
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| 18:24.22 | Kraps | woot i ran out of arrows |
| 18:24.49 | Fisker- | oh my god |
| 18:24.52 | Fisker- | i'm punching you AckisHulk |
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| 18:25.27 | Lopeppeppy | What did he do this time? |
| 18:26.15 | Fisker- | he hulksmashed me :( |
| 18:27.15 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. Wear a helmet next time. |
| 18:27.24 | Kraps | nice, a woman who just called the second time, and i told her again its a wrong number, called me a liar |
| 18:27.44 | Lopeppeppy | When she calls again, call HER a liar and hang up on her. :) |
| 18:27.48 | AckisHulk | no I didn't |
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| 18:28.00 | AckisHulk | I ACKISSMASHED Fisker- |
| 18:28.01 | Fisker- | no u |
| 18:28.01 | AckisHulk | ACKISSMASH > hulksmash |
| 18:28.17 | cogwheel | onoes tehy killed meh! http://departmentofdefence.griefwatch.net/?p=kills&victim=Cogwheel |
| 18:28.18 | Fisker- | I threw away an opportunity |
| 18:28.34 | Fisker- | Some guy called me and told me i won a prize for some newsletter in a magazine |
| 18:28.48 | Fisker- | But since the name was distinctly female i told him he got the wrong person |
| 18:28.59 | Fisker- | Then he asked me if i was sure :( |
| 18:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | comforts Cog. Is there a funeral arranged yet? |
| 18:29.52 | cogwheel | they just blew up my ship... luckily my capsule survived |
| 18:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, good show, live to fight another day. |
| 18:30.14 | cogwheel | otherwise i would've been out ~16million isk of implants |
| 18:30.46 | Kraps | you know, i think playing a hunter makes you a huntard, not the other way around |
| 18:30.47 | Fisker- | that's what you get for playing eve |
| 18:31.20 | Kraps | never felt like such a noob |
| 18:31.30 | Fisker- | eve online is the worst mmo to date |
| 18:31.41 | cogwheel | Fisker-: stfu n00b |
| 18:31.44 | Fisker- | naw |
| 18:31.58 | Kraps | i played the trial of eve |
| 18:32.02 | Fisker- | When arguecat said "This is why we can't have nice things" then it was because ofe Eve Online |
| 18:32.21 | Kraps | pretty awesome but overwhelming |
| 18:32.39 | Thunder_Child | s/overwhelming/underwhelming/ |
| 18:32.53 | Kraps | srsly? |
| 18:33.05 | Fisker- | underwhelming in gameplay, overwhelming in ui |
| 18:33.05 | Thunder_Child | srsly. |
| 18:33.05 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 18:33.14 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: only if you don't have any drive |
| 18:33.22 | cogwheel | eve is a very self-motivated game |
| 18:33.30 | cogwheel | they don't guide you through with quests and levelling and such |
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| 18:33.40 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 18:33.43 | cogwheel | if you have no goals then it's probably not going to be fun :P |
| 18:33.58 | Thunder_Child | my goal is to have fun |
| 18:34.03 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:34.11 | Fisker- | http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2503/wowscrnshot060709230120.jpg <-lol, nice raid frames bro |
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| 18:34.28 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 18:34.33 | Hirsute | Who is Unkle on the forums, again? I forget. |
| 18:34.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa |
| 18:34.40 | cogwheel | Hirsute: Lunessa |
| 18:34.44 | Hirsute | Ah, that's right. |
| 18:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 18:35.32 | Lunessa | is suddenly paranoid. |
| 18:35.54 | Fisker- | is suddenly superman |
| 18:36.10 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Don't be. I was just reading the Blizz forums and saw a few posts by Unkle and went, "Now... I used to know who that was...." |
| 18:36.32 | Hirsute | The No more scripts.... thread is still boggling my mind. |
| 18:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | Is that person still friggin' talking? |
| 18:36.47 | Lunessa | Yeah, when I was posting back in the day, Lunessa was my 'main' and "Unkle' is taken on Freenode. |
| 18:36.56 | foxlit | "The Sparks program will pay seventh-graders up to $500 and fourth-graders as much as $250 for good performance on 10 assessment tests. " |
| 18:37.01 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 18:37.06 | foxlit | grumble, why aren't I a seventh-grader? :( |
| 18:37.10 | Lunessa | Apparently there's a frikkin band called 'Unkle' I'd never heard of. |
| 18:37.16 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/09/the-great-war/ is the kind of thing that makes me <3 eve |
| 18:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: o_0 |
| 18:37.22 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: while Im at it, aswell/as well |
| 18:37.35 | cogwheel | no other game has mechanics that can allow for such events |
| 18:37.53 | cogwheel | http://dukestreet.org/archives/004156.html |
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| 18:38.18 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, as well. Two words |
| 18:38.26 | Adys | ffs :( |
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| 18:39.15 | Thunder_Child | that article already starts out with a lie |
| 18:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | And it took me a second to figure out what you were asking, too. :P |
| 18:40.13 | Adys | Thunder_Child: OMG CAEK |
| 18:45.41 | zenzelezz | the size of the manual for this EOS 450D tells me I may have been a slight bit overambitious when I bought this camera |
| 18:45.43 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 18:46.31 | Lopeppeppy | The manuals are always huge, zenzelezz. |
| 18:47.05 | zenzelezz | not for cheap cameras |
| 18:47.41 | zenzelezz | if all else fails, my dad will be happy to buy it from me |
| 18:49.02 | nicoli_s | lunessa: unkle is alright |
| 18:49.42 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: Never heard of them until I googled my nick |
| 18:49.50 | nicoli_s | if i am thinking of the right band, they did a song with radiohead that was good |
| 18:49.54 | Lunessa | I've been using it since the EQ launch. |
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| 18:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis and any other canadians -- is there a Canadian equivalent to the Food and Drug Administration? |
| 18:55.39 | Grum | Lopeppeppy: supermarket? |
| 18:55.46 | foxlit | Something bugs me: luasocket theoretically works with keep-alive |
| 18:55.56 | foxlit | But I can't find any evidence of that in the lua files. |
| 18:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | Um... not what I'm looking for, Grum. Government oversight of food quality/safety sort of thingie. |
| 18:56.46 | durcyn | CFIA |
| 18:57.01 | Lopeppeppy | This, durcyn? http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/fssae.shtml |
| 18:57.06 | durcyn | Canadian Food Inspection Agency |
| 18:57.34 | AckisHulk | Lopeppeppy: yes what other people said |
| 18:57.49 | AckisHulk | Lopeppeppy: (to get pinged you need to refer to me as AckisHulk) |
| 18:58.02 | AckisHulk | :D |
| 18:58.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you need to expand your ping paramaters, boyo. :P |
| 18:58.11 | AckisHulk | web-client :P |
| 18:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 18:59.27 | AckisHulk | ACKISSMASH |
| 18:59.27 | AckisHulk | :D |
| 18:59.38 | AckisHulk | I wonder how many people are truly afraid ofm e |
| 19:00.11 | Grum | pooped my pants |
| 19:00.23 | Grum | but i am not scared! |
| 19:00.38 | cogwheel | just incontinent |
| 19:03.13 | AckisHulk | anyone feel like clicking on this for me: http://ackis.myminicity.com/ind I need moar jobs |
| 19:03.17 | Lunessa | AckisHulk: Bragging isn't going to get you any ladies in this channel. |
| 19:03.39 | AckisHulk | I has them all already!!! |
| 19:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem? |
| 19:05.34 | AckisHulk | u r mine friend! |
| 19:06.13 | Fisker- | slaps AckisHulk around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:06.19 | Fisker- | y so AckisHulk though? |
| 19:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm.... the possessive article makes me want to bite you, pee on your couch, and set your house on fire. But I like your gf, I won't do it. |
| 19:06.29 | AckisHulk | ACKISSMASH Fisker- |
| 19:06.41 | nicoli_s | make that load faster AckisHulk |
| 19:06.44 | Fisker- | Y SO HULK ACKISHULK? |
| 19:06.59 | nicoli_s | haha you have riots |
| 19:07.14 | Lunessa | Fisker-: You can't ask that question unless you're going to make a pencil disappear. |
| 19:08.27 | Fisker- | well actually you forgot about poland |
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| 19:14.58 | Lunessa | Fisker-: I don't intend to invade Europe in any meaningful fashion, and I'm certainly not going to shoot the arch duke. |
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| 19:26.52 | laeg | is there a mod that remember's where enemy player corpses are after you kill them and plots them on the map? |
| 19:27.17 | Thunder_Child | most people dont want to *help* with corpse camping |
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| 19:31.59 | Aelobin | is there an API function to get the instance ID? |
| 19:33.37 | End | I don't think so |
| 19:34.38 | nicoli_s | i wonder what would make anyone think that an acceptable replacement for a full DB dump with data is just the table structure and the php files that use the data |
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| 19:36.23 | Pharaunmizz | nicoli: lots of crack? |
| 19:37.16 | Kaso | Does anyone know where/if there is any documentation of the API of the Deadly Boss Mods version4? |
| 19:38.41 | Lopeppeppy | What kind of documentation does it requre? |
| 19:38.50 | nicoli_s | Pharaunmizz, i sure hope not, im about to have to work with the guy |
| 19:39.14 | Kaso | well the kind that doesn't leaving inspecting other mods code to try and work out what the arguments of a given function are? |
| 19:43.38 | Fisker- | hey AckisHulk |
| 19:44.47 | AckisHulk | wot? |
| 19:50.34 | Fisker- | hey |
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| 20:10.31 | Adys | Anyone around got safari? (mac or windows) |
| 20:10.41 | Matsy | I do. |
| 20:10.46 | Matsy | Windows. |
| 20:10.48 | Adys | mac or windows? |
| 20:10.49 | Adys | k |
| 20:10.59 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/boxshadow.html open this please |
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| 20:11.40 | Matsy | Done |
| 20:11.47 | Adys | hover the rows really fast |
| 20:11.53 | Adys | hows the hover effect? slow? |
| 20:11.54 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 20:11.58 | Adys | k thanks |
| 20:12.01 | Adys | safari version? |
| 20:12.02 | Matsy | Nono |
| 20:12.03 | Matsy | Its not slow |
| 20:12.10 | Adys | eh? |
| 20:12.11 | Matsy | It's as fast as my razer mouse can handle |
| 20:12.17 | Adys | ok |
| 20:12.21 | Matsy | It doesnt have a delay |
| 20:12.21 | Adys | safari version? |
| 20:12.35 | Matsy | 4 528.17 |
| 20:12.36 | Adys | do you see shadows on the right/bottom? |
| 20:12.55 | Matsy | Yes. |
| 20:13.01 | Adys | hmm |
| 20:13.15 | Matsy | I see a -webkit-box-shadow, so it should be like that |
| 20:13.19 | Adys | yeha |
| 20:13.32 | Adys | do you have chrome? |
| 20:13.45 | Matsy | I have every browser ;p |
| 20:13.52 | Adys | which version of chrome? |
| 20:13.57 | Matsy | Latest? |
| 20:14.02 | Adys | dev or stable? |
| 20:14.04 | Matsy | I can't currently check |
| 20:14.06 | Matsy | stable |
| 20:14.06 | Adys | go in about: |
| 20:14.10 | Matsy | I can't currently use Chrome. |
| 20:14.11 | Adys | k thats 2.0 |
| 20:14.16 | Adys | ok fair enough |
| 20:14.19 | Matsy | :( |
| 20:14.20 | Matsy | But |
| 20:14.21 | Adys | anyone else has chrome? 2.0 pref |
| 20:14.23 | Matsy | Should be similar |
| 20:14.29 | Adys | its not |
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| 20:14.43 | Matsy | Let me close my debugger then |
| 20:15.20 | Adys | test it in firefox too, should be blazing fast |
| 20:15.32 | Matsy | Using 3.5 Beta 4 |
| 20:15.53 | Adys | yeah sfine |
| 20:16.03 | Matsy | Its as fast in Firefox |
| 20:16.04 | Adys | just confirm me firefox is faster than chrome/safari or not |
| 20:16.08 | Matsy | As it is in Safari |
| 20:16.23 | Matsy | Chrome is a lot slower |
| 20:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | Isn't there a site that you can test the loading times of various things...? So much depends on an individual's connection and computer... |
| 20:16.54 | Adys | its not a loading time |
| 20:17.05 | Adys | its a hover effect |
| 20:17.06 | Matsy | Processing time of events |
| 20:19.58 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/boxshadow2.html the ff version |
| 20:20.49 | Cide | chrome 3.0 here |
| 20:22.28 | terkitos | I use chrome |
| 20:22.31 | terkitos | it's very fast :P |
| 20:22.45 | End | chrome only seemed slightly slower to me |
| 20:22.51 | End | than firefox |
| 20:25.00 | airtonix | test it out here on the backbase demo site, see how it goes : http://demo.backbase.com/explorer/ |
| 20:25.22 | _rane | what kind of modifications addons need to work on other locales than english? I'm not talking about translating though |
| 20:25.31 | airtonix | although backbase is abit like mootools, it's based on xhtml translation to js objects |
| 20:25.39 | ScytheBlade1 | you know, if youtube pushed an alternate viewing mode which used <video>, I'd be amazingly happy |
| 20:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I could stab flash dead |
| 20:25.52 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb ff 3.5 sooner :P |
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| 20:27.53 | airtonix | or you can test out chrome or firefox here : http://demos.mootools.net/ |
| 20:29.05 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: they got a demo |
| 20:29.10 | Adys | but its buggy under ff atm |
| 20:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I know |
| 20:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | But it is making progress |
| 20:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, wait, youtube does? |
| 20:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | link? |
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| 20:32.18 | Adys | er |
| 20:32.21 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.34 | Adys | End: http://devcub.com/~adys/boxshadow.html |
| 20:32.38 | Adys | try this (refresh cache) |
| 20:32.41 | Adys | in chrome ofc |
| 20:32.59 | End | that looks different that what it looked like |
| 20:33.20 | Adys | yeah |
| 20:33.24 | Adys | i increased the width to 1500% |
| 20:33.32 | Adys | the lag should be more apparent |
| 20:33.36 | Adys | compare it to firefox |
| 20:33.54 | End | it seems about the same, honestly |
| 20:34.04 | Cide | um |
| 20:34.06 | Cide | use javascript |
| 20:34.08 | Cide | ftw |
| 20:34.12 | Adys | what? |
| 20:34.16 | Adys | js for hover effects? |
| 20:34.18 | Adys | wtf are you on |
| 20:34.20 | Cide | why not? |
| 20:34.26 | Adys | this is css' job |
| 20:34.39 | Adys | tr:hover { background-color: red; } |
| 20:34.44 | Cide | I think we can agree it isn't if you take a look at how slow it is |
| 20:34.45 | Adys | thats what it needs in css |
| 20:34.49 | Cide | agreed |
| 20:34.50 | Adys | er no cide |
| 20:34.52 | Cide | is it fast? |
| 20:34.52 | Adys | its a rendering bug |
| 20:34.58 | Adys | remove the box shadow |
| 20:35.00 | Adys | and its fast |
| 20:35.00 | Cide | shrug |
| 20:35.18 | Cide | suit yourself then! |
| 20:35.23 | Adys | its fast in firefox |
| 20:35.27 | Adys | and BLAZING fast in general |
| 20:35.28 | End | suits Cide. |
| 20:35.42 | Adys | using js makes it process the hover, change the css style and return to normal |
| 20:35.54 | Adys | when using js you're wrapping a change in scripted code |
| 20:36.03 | Adys | instead of letting it be handled by the browser in c or whatever |
| 20:36.14 | Cide | agreed |
| 20:36.18 | Cide | clearly the browser fails at c |
| 20:36.37 | Adys | there's a leak with box shadow, dont be a complete jerk :P |
| 20:36.48 | Cide | but I like trolling |
| 20:37.20 | airtonix | html5 does animations now? |
| 20:37.26 | airtonix | in css? |
| 20:37.32 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 20:37.35 | Adys | css3 does |
| 20:37.37 | Adys | and svga too |
| 20:37.37 | KarlKFI | and rotation |
| 20:37.53 | airtonix | which browsers render css3? |
| 20:38.10 | airtonix | (the full spec of css3) |
| 20:38.27 | KarlKFI | webkit does most of it |
| 20:38.29 | Adys | none |
| 20:38.35 | KarlKFI | so safari and chrome |
| 20:38.42 | airtonix | this is why animations (like fade hovers) are done in js |
| 20:38.43 | Adys | webkit and presto do like 85%+ |
| 20:38.50 | Adys | no |
| 20:38.50 | Adys | it |
| 20:38.50 | Adys | is |
| 20:38.51 | Adys | not |
| 20:39.13 | Adys | its in js because its not possible to do a fade in css |
| 20:39.15 | airtonix | ok, show me how to do dafe in hovers on a browser that doesn't support css3 without using js? |
| 20:39.17 | Adys | yet |
| 20:40.00 | Adys | and fades are just completely retarded |
| 20:40.06 | airtonix | why? |
| 20:40.07 | Adys | no offense Fisker- |
| 20:40.21 | zenzelezz | don't know about all of CSS3, but didn't the Opera 10 beta score full on Acid3? |
| 20:40.31 | Adys | yes, webkit too |
| 20:41.07 | Adys | scoring 100 with two rendering bugs in chrome linux here |
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| 20:41.22 | Adys | but acid3 doesnt do much css3 stuff |
| 20:41.25 | airtonix | http://www.brandnewbox.co.uk/articles/details/yellow_fade_technique/ |
| 20:42.02 | Adys | http://www.brandnewbox.co.uk/cms/js/fade.js |
| 20:42.07 | airtonix | http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives/000558.php |
| 20:42.10 | Adys | 100 lines of js |
| 20:42.26 | Adys | to do what would be done in 2 lines of css in a year |
| 20:42.32 | Kraps | http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3_2009_blizzard_accepts_guinness_world_record_awards/ |
| 20:43.18 | airtonix | Adys, im not pointing you at the code, im pointing you to the concept of a worthwhile use of daing |
| 20:43.36 | Adys | daing? |
| 20:43.45 | airtonix | btw a page already using mootools on its page can accomplish fade in one llne of code |
| 20:44.01 | Adys | mootools is slow |
| 20:44.06 | Adys | js is slow in general |
| 20:44.06 | airtonix | compared to ? |
| 20:44.07 | Adys | and shitty |
| 20:44.12 | Adys | Assembly |
| 20:44.19 | airtonix | grats |
| 20:44.37 | Cide | I'm writing a game in js |
| 20:44.40 | Cide | and python |
| 20:45.06 | End | you should use COBOL, imo |
| 20:45.30 | airtonix | so you can show me how to run an assembly script in a webpage that makes use of the html dom? |
| 20:45.45 | airtonix | script/code block |
| 20:45.57 | krka | js is slow compared to lua! |
| 20:45.57 | Adys | you could implement an assembly parser in js |
| 20:46.10 | Adys | Im saying people should stop using bullshit scripts for stuff that they shouldnt be doing |
| 20:46.17 | airtonix | but you said js is slow? |
| 20:46.35 | airtonix | [circle] |
| 20:46.42 | Adys | the problem with the web is when there's a need and people start working around it, there isn't a considered need anymore |
| 20:47.01 | Cide | hm? |
| 20:47.29 | Adys | there is a lot of stuff css3 doesn't take care of |
| 20:47.37 | Adys | which shouldn't be done in js at all |
| 20:47.37 | Cide | there is a lot of browsers that don't support css3 |
| 20:47.47 | Adys | I dont care about shitty browsers |
| 20:47.51 | Cide | most people do |
| 20:47.56 | Adys | no |
| 20:48.03 | Cide | and it's a lot easier to therefore implement it once in js and be cross-browser compatible than to implement it in both |
| 20:48.09 | Cide | yes, most people do |
| 20:48.19 | zenzelezz | lynx won't accept my -lynx-border-radius :( |
| 20:48.20 | Adys | I don't give a shit about backwards compatibility when Im looking at something that hasn't even HAPPENED yet |
| 20:48.56 | Cide | but people will |
| 20:49.00 | Cide | and therefore not use it |
| 20:49.03 | Adys | fuck cross browsers, if they want to get sites working in theirs they need to get to work and support css3 and later |
| 20:49.15 | Adys | yes Cide which is exactly what i said earlier on |
| 20:49.25 | Cide | I'm thinking about browsers that aren't actively developed |
| 20:49.26 | Adys | when there's a need and people work around it, the need disappears |
| 20:49.28 | Cide | ie5, ie6, ie7 |
| 20:49.36 | Adys | those can fuck off |
| 20:49.42 | Cide | great argument |
| 20:50.04 | Adys | you know as well as me that if no site could be viewed in ie6, no one would use it |
| 20:50.20 | Adys | and by the way that would be a huge security improvement for everyone |
| 20:50.40 | Cide | but while people are using it, it needs to be supported |
| 20:50.49 | krka | Ideal world |X-------------Y| Web developer for a living -- Adys is at X and Cide is at Y? :) |
| 20:51.16 | Adys | Im not telling web devs not to support ie |
| 20:51.18 | Cide | I say fuck ie all the time |
| 20:51.23 | Adys | im saying its the fucking problem right there |
| 20:51.30 | Cide | but I still fix those stupid bugs since people bitch and moan |
| 20:51.48 | Adys | Look at chrome |
| 20:51.56 | Adys | they are forcing updates on everyone without excuse |
| 20:52.01 | Adys | "if you dont like it, dont use it" |
| 20:52.05 | Cide | chrome is a Good Browser |
| 20:52.09 | Cide | IE is a Bad Browser |
| 20:52.23 | Adys | which means whatever chrome doesnt support right now and will support in a year |
| 20:52.46 | tekkub | I wouldn't expect nothing in a year |
| 20:52.49 | tekkub | but that's me |
| 20:53.10 | Adys | no one will care about backwards compatibility because today's chrome wont be used anywhere, except the once-in-a-while fuckwad who changed the code to remove the autoupdater |
| 20:53.13 | Adys | and "fuck that one guy" |
| 20:53.20 | Cide | right |
| 20:53.27 | tekkub | I've been using chrome since it came out, on the dev channel, and they're just now scraping into plugins/addons/whateveryouwanttocallem |
| 20:53.32 | Cide | but ie doesn't do that |
| 20:53.42 | Cide | and there's a substantial amount of users using old browsers |
| 20:53.51 | Adys | yes |
| 20:53.53 | Cide | which is holding back all the new standards |
| 20:53.57 | tekkub | ie users just odn't count :) |
| 20:53.58 | Adys | yes |
| 20:54.03 | Adys | and yes |
| 20:54.07 | Cide | so coding for the new standards is pointless |
| 20:54.10 | Cide | therefore js libraries are great |
| 20:54.17 | Adys | right |
| 20:54.17 | Adys | sigh |
| 20:54.28 | tekkub | the thing I find funniest of all is "compatibility mode" in IE8 |
| 20:54.39 | tekkub | it's NOT standards compatibility mode |
| 20:54.41 | End | js is in a fair better position now due to js libraries |
| 20:54.48 | tekkub | it's basically IE6 compat mode |
| 20:54.50 | Adys | tekkub: ie8 is fine |
| 20:54.53 | Cide | tekkub: which is fine |
| 20:54.55 | Adys | compared to whatever shit they had before |
| 20:55.02 | Adys | its WAY better |
| 20:55.05 | mikma | anyone has any ideas is there a way of getting the WG "holder" without zooming in the zone in worldmap / visiting the zone? |
| 20:55.06 | tekkub | IE8 is an improvement, yes |
| 20:55.13 | tekkub | I still don't think it's "fine" though |
| 20:55.15 | Adys | its not an improvement |
| 20:55.19 | Adys | its a complete change |
| 20:55.35 | tekkub | but a complete change is either better or worse |
| 20:55.43 | Adys | for the better |
| 20:55.46 | tekkub | or "didn't really change anything" |
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| 20:55.56 | tekkub | so it IS an improvement :P |
| 20:56.09 | Adys | I was just being an ass |
| 20:56.34 | tekkub | The biggest thing IE8 gave me was more validity to not supporting IE6 |
| 20:56.47 | Adys | aye |
| 20:56.47 | tekkub | "dude, fuck, they're up to 8 now" |
| 20:56.57 | tekkub | man I still remember downloading Ie3... |
| 20:57.00 | tekkub | 13MiB |
| 20:57.04 | tekkub | took ALL DAY |
| 20:57.06 | Adys | took the whole day |
| 20:57.35 | End | I remember installing ie4 on a server in order to install some MS server utilities |
| 20:57.43 | End | (NT4 server) |
| 20:58.04 | End | I was like wtf |
| 20:58.14 | End | but I did it anyone, because microsoft is silly |
| 20:58.17 | End | anyway* |
| 21:04.30 | nicoli_s | man i was getting all excited about the new iphone till i realized as an existing at&t customer, i have to pay 600 while new at&t customers pay 200, bullshit |
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| 21:06.54 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 21:06.59 | KarlKFI | unless your 2 yrs are up |
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| 21:07.46 | nicoli_s | thats really fucked up |
| 21:07.51 | KarlKFI | a phone upgrade is the same as new customer in that regard |
| 21:12.03 | Lunessa | Vacation - DO WANT |
| 21:12.16 | AckisBruceBanner | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.21 | zenzelezz | vacates Lunessa |
| 21:12.43 | Fisker- | slaps AckisBruceBanner around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:13.07 | Lunessa | the reason is that the phone is subsidized by the contract. |
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| 21:24.13 | Lunessa | Serious question - how many of you have ever played a particular game so much that a CRT based monitor had screen burn? |
| 21:24.31 | Adys | CRTs don't screenburn, afaik |
| 21:24.36 | haste | they do |
| 21:24.38 | haste | trust me, they do |
| 21:24.44 | Adys | decent ones? |
| 21:24.48 | zenzelezz | burn? As in ghosting? |
| 21:24.49 | haste | and it's permanent :D |
| 21:24.52 | Adys | I always thought it was older than that |
| 21:24.53 | Adys | yes zenzelezz |
| 21:25.13 | haste | but playing a game to do it should be almost impossible |
| 21:25.20 | haste | it takes like 20+ hours |
| 21:25.24 | Lunessa | Most CRTs have it happen, but it takes a while. |
| 21:25.30 | Lunessa | Or more. |
| 21:25.44 | Kirov | You'll see it on old arcade machines pretty regularly. |
| 21:25.45 | zenzelezz | RTS games have pretty static UIs usually |
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| 21:25.56 | Kirov | They sit there on the "insert coin" screen so often. |
| 21:27.14 | mikma | can someone in northrend test this code for me? http://mikma.pastey.net/115605 |
| 21:27.22 | Lunessa | Yeah, but I haven't seen it on a home machine - and I played a LOT of EQ and Civ, Civ.net, Civ II, etc. So I'm wondering what sort of maniac you'd have to be for WoW's UI to burn your monitor. |
| 21:27.37 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 21:27.38 | Lunessa | Or how crappy/cheap your CRT is for it to happen. |
| 21:27.44 | Adys | mikma: northrend isn't real mate, it's just in warcraft video games. |
| 21:27.50 | zenzelezz | never had anything like that myself |
| 21:28.00 | mikma | adys: and you just realized that? congratz mate! |
| 21:28.02 | zenzelezz | had an LCD that ghosted pretty bad from the Windows desktop background |
| 21:28.24 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: quit buying imitation parts. :P |
| 21:28.43 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: wasn't imitation, just cheap |
| 21:28.59 | haste | Kirov: that's why most of them have demos and so on ;p |
| 21:29.01 | Lunessa | I've never had it happen. |
| 21:29.26 | End | I don't know about computer monitors, but my keyboards usually lose the labeling on their W key, plus a few others |
| 21:29.28 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: the LCD in question was my secondary monitor; it sat unused most of the time just displaying that background |
| 21:29.57 | Lunessa | making the conditions more likely, but damn. |
| 21:30.02 | zenzelezz | End: my W key is worn, but my ASD are gone |
| 21:30.16 | End | my W and S are gone on this keyboard |
| 21:32.14 | haste | I play with FRST! |
| 21:32.23 | haste | which equals ESDF :p |
| 21:32.27 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1421 |
| 21:33.32 | End | I tried that once |
| 21:33.36 | End | ESDF I mean |
| 21:33.45 | Lunessa | Sentience Matrix! |
| 21:33.54 | End | my F has a little notch to help with touch typing |
| 21:33.56 | Adys | rewiring yourself is a fun thing |
| 21:33.59 | End | and I couldn't get used to it |
| 21:34.13 | haste | I don't notice it |
| 21:34.22 | End | well I do! |
| 21:34.22 | haste | not even when I type :p |
| 21:34.33 | haste | I guess I hold my fingers above that mark |
| 21:34.34 | zenzelezz | F and J |
| 21:34.42 | haste | I use it to align my hands before typing tho' |
| 21:34.43 | End | I vaguely notice when I'm typing |
| 21:34.54 | zenzelezz | I hate the stupid line on the yellow button on the guitar hero controllers... distracts me |
| 21:34.54 | haste | pretty required on any keyboard I get |
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| 21:41.39 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 21:42.15 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, ping, PM! |
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| 21:44.09 | zenzelezz | woot, hit-and-run by peppy |
| 21:48.03 | terkitos | bye bye |
| 21:48.06 | terkitos | gonna sleep |
| 21:48.10 | terkitos | see you tomorrow |
| 21:48.43 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/119958209 |
| 21:49.58 | Adys | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/07/scan-your-books-and-search-them-on-google/ |
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| 21:53.41 | nicoli_s | weeee! new db site launching |
| 21:53.52 | AckisWork | www.wowdbsucks.com? :P |
| 21:54.14 | AckisWork | yes i'm an asshole |
| 21:54.20 | AckisWork | I love you nicoli_s |
| 21:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | As if we don't have enough of those around |
| 21:54.26 | nicoli_s | for another hame |
| 21:54.29 | nicoli_s | game* |
| 21:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 21:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, then all is forgiven |
| 21:54.52 | nicoli_s | tis for Aion |
| 21:55.41 | foxlit | as if we don't have enough games around! |
| 21:56.20 | nicoli_s | we don'y |
| 21:56.23 | nicoli_s | don't* |
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| 22:14.12 | Adys | "The Pirate Party has at least one guaranteed seat (...) and could win another seat, for a total of two." |
| 22:14.21 | Adys | I learn math every day with Slashdot |
| 22:20.36 | ckknight | Lunessa: Lunessa is a female name. |
| 22:20.41 | ckknight | why you gotta be so male for? |
| 22:20.58 | Lunessa | ckknight: 'cause I'm acting gay to get chicks. |
| 22:21.03 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:21.04 | ckknight | good plan |
| 22:21.13 | Lunessa | Yeah, totally. |
| 22:21.28 | ckknight | I assume it's working? |
| 22:22.25 | Lunessa | Actually, Lunessa was my "main" wow character when I started hanging in here and I was posting on that character on the forums, so I wanted a nick that would readily associate. /shrug |
| 22:22.56 | ckknight | alright then |
| 22:23.09 | ckknight | I started off as Boss, but it was taken on freenode, so I just switched everything to ckknight |
| 22:23.14 | ckknight | overall, I think it's been a good move |
| 22:24.40 | Lunessa | Yeah, I might as well switch everything to mconverse, but meh. |
| 22:26.48 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 22:28.10 | Lunessa | It's not like my identity is a big secret. I'm not Batman, and I'm not in WitSec |
| 22:29.07 | jnwhiteh | GRRRRR |
| 22:29.13 | jnwhiteh | JUST SHOW ME THE FUCKING LOGIN BOX I HATE YOU |
| 22:29.31 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: It probably hates you too. |
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| 22:29.42 | jnwhiteh | WHY DOES CURSE.COM HATE ME |
| 22:30.45 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: because you touch yourself at night |
| 22:31.23 | Kirov | it is jesus... |
| 22:32.26 | Lunessa | now to keep it from exploding! |
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| 22:39.10 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:39.11 | Fisker- | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:39.22 | jnwhiteh | imm |
| 22:39.22 | jnwhiteh | kk |
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| 22:54.45 | Fisker- | yeah jnwhiteh |
| 22:54.48 | Fisker- | you better believe it |
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| 23:15.47 | End | blinks |
| 23:15.54 | Thunder_Child | this is so freakin random http://www.agentsvselves.com/ |
| 23:15.57 | End | slahsdot has a section to put my warcraft main in |
| 23:16.37 | End | s/slahs/slash/ |
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| 23:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | it does indeed |
| 23:27.03 | NightHawkTheSane | thats mildly disturbing |
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| 23:28.15 | Arrowmaster | 1vs100 time again |
| 23:28.32 | Arrowmaster | anybody else playing? dont like being in random groups |
| 23:28.51 | End | playing what? |
| 23:29.09 | Arrowmaster | http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/1vs100/ |
| 23:29.47 | End | ah |
| 23:30.56 | Arrowmaster | people copy off me when i get randomly grouped, there was a question that 80% of people got wrong but everybody in my random group got right because as soon as the first answer poped up and i knew it was the correct one i hit it and got an 'instant answer' bonus |
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| 23:45.23 | Thunder_Child | http://www.zitzot.com/combimouse-super-ergonomic-2-piece-keyboard/ |
| 23:50.36 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ZZreXEqSY&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:52.49 | Cide | can I also participate? |
| 23:52.56 | Cide | in the "link OLD stuff" marathon |
| 23:53.11 | Arrowmaster | wow this round of 1vs100 extended play is full of obscure questions |
| 23:56.32 | Thunder_Child | yep Cide, i do it just to make you look at something you have already seen |
| 23:56.51 | Cide | oh, no need |
| 23:56.57 | Cide | that's what this picture of your naked mom's for. |
| 23:57.11 | Thunder_Child | whatever works |
| 23:57.23 | Cide | that said |
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| 23:57.42 | Cide | who wants to alpha-test my latest project sometime soon? (sorry Lunessa, not the addon) |
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| 23:57.53 | Thunder_Child | what is it? |
| 23:58.06 | Cide | a website |
| 23:58.19 | Thunder_Child | not hard to test a website |
| 23:58.36 | Thunder_Child | "can you go there" "yep" "any issues?" "nope" done. |
| 23:58.39 | Cide | you say that like it's a simple website |
| 23:58.53 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 23:59.05 | Thunder_Child | it *was* made by you |
| 23:59.47 | Cide | indeed |
