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| 00:05.38 | kd3 | that and a hogger reference... |
| 00:05.55 | kd3 | if both of those don't show up I'd be pretty disappointed |
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| 00:32.22 | Thunder_Child | was there ever equipable boxes? eg, where your bags were |
| 00:35.55 | KarlKFI | ? |
| 00:36.05 | KarlKFI | box vs bag? |
| 00:37.45 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 00:38.08 | Thunder_Child | i seem to remember there were boxes you could use as storage in bag slots |
| 00:38.10 | Jamash | yes, but only on the test server |
| 00:38.16 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 00:38.34 | Jamash | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23162 |
| 00:38.51 | End | I was thinking of calling in sick tomorrow |
| 00:38.55 | End | now I -am- sick |
| 00:39.07 | End | well, guess that won't change |
| 00:39.12 | foxlit | "The bottom of the crate is leaking. Leaking tears..." |
| 00:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: agreed @ hogger |
| 00:41.36 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: and unrelated, if I upgraded to rawhide now, I'd be using what amounts to f11, correct? |
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| 00:47.54 | kd3 | yes |
| 00:48.01 | kd3 | er, no. actually |
| 00:48.04 | kd3 | f11's in repos |
| 00:48.14 | kd3 | update to it. rawhide's been released and is unstable again |
| 00:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, http://www.andiamnotlying.com/images/Vegans.jpg |
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| 00:57.08 | Shirik|Ghost | rawr |
| 00:57.14 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:57.22 | Shirik|Ghost | licks Gryphen |
| 00:57.26 | Gryphen | licks Shirik|Ghost |
| 01:01.39 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2009/06/04/beware-of-blood-elves-selling-mounts/ |
| 01:01.56 | Kraps | TCG scam |
| 01:03.32 | foxlit | "As of 2.2 the screen coordinates are no longer relative to the TOPLEFT instead they are relative to closest screen position which can be TOPLEFT, TOP, TOPRIGHT, LEFT, CENTER, RIGHT, BOTTOMLEFT, BOTTOM and BOTTOMRIGHT." |
| 01:03.47 | foxlit | I can't parse that. |
| 01:07.52 | Codayus | Kraps: Hm, that's nasty. |
| 01:14.04 | Kraps | is there a lot of trash mobs in ulduar? |
| 01:14.20 | Kraps | s/is/are/ |
| 01:14.37 | Shirik|Ghost | depends on how you define "a lot" |
| 01:14.38 | Shirik|Ghost | I would say no |
| 01:14.59 | Dagmar | There's a whole crapload of them at the start |
| 01:15.11 | Shirik|Ghost | Ok but you mow them down |
| 01:15.14 | Dagmar | ...but once you eliminate and entire army, the rest isn't much |
| 01:15.14 | Shirik|Ghost | that's not really a fair statement |
| 01:15.22 | Kraps | like compared to the ratio in naxx |
| 01:15.44 | Dagmar | It's about as quick as the last part of the arachnid quarter |
| 01:18.18 | Codayus | Some bits have a fair amount of trash. Freya's room, for example. Most don't have much. Compared to Naxx... *shrug* Similar. |
| 01:19.34 | Shirik|Ghost | Freya is more of an instance of itself |
| 01:19.47 | Codayus | Heh |
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| 01:20.22 | Shirik|Ghost | in any case, if Kraps is asking that question I don't think Freya is scheduled anytime soon |
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| 01:20.45 | Codayus | But from zone in...you can kill 2 bosses without a single trash pull, a 3rd with 2 trash pulls, a 4th with about...4 more pulls?, then a 5th with about...4 more pulls? Or so, I don't pay much attention. |
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| 01:20.53 | Kraps | Shirik|Ghost: you're not kidding |
| 01:21.51 | Kraps | i think i need a new server, or a guild on mine that raids after 10 pm and doesnt suck |
| 01:22.45 | Codayus | Hmm. Probably another 4 pulls for a 6th, and 1 more pull for a 7th. After that you're into the keepers, which have significant trash, but drop tier items, so... *shrug* |
| 01:23.40 | Kraps | its really embarrassing that my guild and another we collaborate with on 25 naxx cant down thaddius or raz |
| 01:23.57 | Kraps | i think its 3 weeks already |
| 01:24.57 | Codayus | Ouch |
| 01:25.16 | Shirik|Ghost | that's not really atypical |
| 01:26.04 | Kraps | Shirik|Ghost: really |
| 01:26.27 | Codayus | *nod* Thaddius needs pretty good execution, and isn't very forgiving for inexperienced raids teams, especially if the don't overgear it. |
| 01:27.14 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 01:27.19 | foxlit | Thaddius is tactically trivial |
| 01:27.31 | Wobin | four point works well |
| 01:27.36 | Wobin | if you can hammer in the tactic |
| 01:28.15 | Codayus | foxlit: Mmm, maybe my phrasing is poor. What I mean is, if a couple raiders miss the jump, a couple more screw up transitions and die to static charge, and then you've got a couple more who just do mediocre DPS and no standout raiders to make up for it...thadius goes from trivial to impossible. |
| 01:28.19 | Kraps | i'm hardly ever there anyway because they start 7:30 |
| 01:28.29 | foxlit | Well, yes. |
| 01:28.49 | foxlit | You are of course correct -- if people die to being idiots, the encounter is unforgiving. |
| 01:28.57 | foxlit | However, the effort required not to be an idiot is minute |
| 01:29.20 | Codayus | It's not a *hard* fight, but it does require the entire raid to not screw it up. Some other encounters are harder, but you could lose 5 random people and not be in any real increased danger of wiping, IMHO. :-) |
| 01:29.47 | Kraps | Codayus: haigan |
| 01:30.51 | Codayus | True. Or Raz - if you've got a couple priests who know what they're doing, and maybe a tank or two who can be trusted to taunt a loose mob, it's fairly trivial, no matter how many mouth breathing rogues you've got. |
| 01:31.23 | Kraps | once had me (ot), mt and one healer have to do 3 full cycles by ourselves till we got him down |
| 01:31.30 | Codayus | ...try it with stupid priests, and you're in for a world of pain, no matter how many kickass 5k dps raiders you've got. |
| 01:32.00 | Codayus | Kraps: Yep. |
| 01:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a new one |
| 01:32.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I turn on my bluetooth headset and my desktop blows up |
| 01:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Kernel go splat |
| 01:32.41 | Codayus | Anecdotally, I think I see more pug nax 25 runs stuck on thadius spamming trade for more members than any other boss. |
| 01:33.13 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: how would I upgrade to it? the preinstall whatever app only lists rawhide |
| 01:33.22 | ScytheBlade1 | (and I'd love to beat the rush) |
| 01:33.34 | Codayus | Last time I joined one, we screwed up on the minibosses, and a tank died. Started the main fight with 3 people dead, and another 3 people who missed the jump. 2 more died on the first static charge. |
| 01:33.51 | Wobin | the minibosses are fairly straightforward |
| 01:34.06 | Codayus | I hand't didn't realize you COULD have people die to the minibosses until that pug. |
| 01:34.13 | Wobin | and a huge amount of fun for the tanks |
| 01:34.21 | Wobin | I always go "WHEEEEE" over vent =P |
| 01:34.51 | Codayus | Apparently, all the healers on one side went AFK at once, and didn't heal their tank. Or were just too slow to realize a transition had taken place. Oo |
| 01:35.21 | foxlit | On the geists? |
| 01:36.25 | Wobin | healers going afk mid encounter? |
| 01:36.29 | Wobin | yeah, you're screwed |
| 01:37.40 | foxlit | not mid |
| 01:37.57 | foxlit | though, of course, it could be. |
| 01:38.30 | foxlit | Wonder why blizzard wouldn't just alter the geometry to remove that jump |
| 01:39.00 | Codayus | In this case, we did a ready check, everyone ran up to the platforms, everything seemed to be going okay until, I think, the second transition...then one tank just goes from 100% to 0% fairly smoothly - receiving no heals. |
| 01:39.28 | foxlit | I've noticed one disturbing trend: I ready-check-reply without noticing there was a ready check. |
| 01:39.55 | foxlit | Hear the side effect -> press click a button -> go back to surfing the web on another screen. |
| 01:39.55 | Codayus | On the other hand, it's really cool too see ranged DPS flying through the air. :) |
| 01:39.59 | foxlit | s/side/sound/ |
| 01:40.14 | foxlit | without registering that there ever was a ready check. |
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| 01:40.58 | foxlit | I wonder if there's an addon for that. |
| 01:41.44 | foxlit | Shirik: boo! |
| 01:42.36 | foxlit | disregard that ping, Shirik. |
| 01:43.05 | Kraps | bbs |
| 01:46.36 | foxlit | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/17615362642-kologarn-is-going-to-stop-your-raid.html |
| 01:46.51 | foxlit | yeah, I accidentially that link. |
| 01:51.11 | Thunder_Child | thats awesome foxlit |
| 01:54.40 | foxlit | It's a surprisingly compelling backstory. |
| 01:55.17 | foxlit | Except for Thorim's adventure, we get nothing useful on what happened to the keepers. |
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| 01:59.19 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: kologarn's not even a keeper, we really have no 'story' for any of the non-keeper bosses |
| 01:59.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats not exactly out of the ordinary |
| 01:59.34 | foxlit | "Here's an assortment of random crap" |
| 01:59.40 | foxlit | "Go kill them all for epics." |
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| 01:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean exactly how much story did you get for garr, or ebonroc :P |
| 02:00.06 | foxlit | Hey, black dragon place has to have dragons. |
| 02:00.19 | foxlit | Who cares what they're doing indoors. |
| 02:00.32 | Dagmar | Like the loot monkeys who post to the forum about how which piece of ilvl239 gear is crap and which ones aren't would care if they were handed epic novels to explain things. |
| 02:00.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, giant palce has to have giants, who cares what they're doing. ;) |
| 02:00.48 | Dagmar | They'll fill in backstory later. |
| 02:00.55 | foxlit | but ulduar isn't a "giant place" -- it's a prison. |
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| 02:01.18 | Dagmar | Me, i really don't want much more epic story just yet. |
| 02:01.45 | foxlit | Watch them do backflips to explain the 3.2 raid. |
| 02:01.46 | Dagmar | The bit that came after the "Defend the Dwarf" in HoL (mebbe HoS, neither care/remember) was enough disturbing stuff for awhile |
| 02:02.13 | Dagmar | "Wait, so they're saying those crazy ass gnomebots on the west coast were right?!?!" |
| 02:02.51 | Kraps | icecrown would be 3.3? |
| 02:03.02 | Dagmar | That's what I've been seeing said |
| 02:03.06 | foxlit | Yogg's actions also seem brain-dead. "Hey, let's let them kill Loken. Surely nothing bad would come because of that" |
| 02:04.05 | Dagmar | Umm.. he's insane? |
| 02:04.12 | Kraps | arthas is the only smart villain in warcraft |
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| 02:04.24 | foxlit | Arthas has other issues. |
| 02:04.34 | foxlit | I'm not sure why yogg would be insane. |
| 02:05.07 | Kraps | foxlit: poor reaction to prison? |
| 02:05.07 | Koren | Is that a pun, or did I miss something important? |
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| 02:06.28 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17615362642&sid=1 |
| 02:06.39 | Kraps | this explains... stuff |
| 02:07.06 | foxlit | "MASTER! THEY COME!" |
| 02:07.06 | foxlit | "... Oh goddammit." |
| 02:08.30 | Kraps | i dont want to miss raids any raid zones :( i reached 70 about a month before wrath |
| 02:08.44 | Kraps | only seen hyjal |
| 02:08.55 | Kraps | as an 80 |
| 02:08.56 | foxlit | you missed the exciting depths of SSC |
| 02:09.05 | foxlit | The soul-crushing pre-nerf Kael'thas |
| 02:09.40 | foxlit | ... and all of the level-appropriate content. |
| 02:09.48 | foxlit | Sucks to be you -- go raid Sunwell :) |
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| 02:11.17 | Kraps | how many naxx geared 80 does sunwell need? |
| 02:14.45 | Kraps | new ne cat forms /discuss |
| 02:14.49 | Kraps | :p |
| 02:14.55 | Dagmar | Mebbe 10-12 |
| 02:15.07 | Dagmar | ...ibn case someone (other than the tank or healer) needs to go pee in the middle of things |
| 02:15.29 | Dagmar | Maybe as few as four really vicious players. ;) |
| 02:16.48 | Dagmar | Most of the time 10 levels seems to mean you can get away with half the original number |
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| 02:22.44 | Shirik|Ghost | roars |
| 02:26.25 | Shirik|Ghost | haha |
| 02:26.35 | Shirik|Ghost | Reasons for not installing unix tools on your windows computer |
| 02:26.38 | Shirik|Ghost | C:\Program Files\MMOUI Minion>which env |
| 02:26.39 | Shirik|Ghost | /usr/bin/env |
| 02:26.48 | Shirik|Ghost | that doesn't get me very far >.> |
| 02:29.08 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17617972721&sid=1 |
| 02:29.22 | kd3 | still wtfs at chromium's source tree |
| 02:29.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, i could have slightly forgiven idiots for getting lost in instances before. but there's a fucking map, people. use it. |
| 02:30.04 | Shirik|Ghost | goes to play l4d |
| 02:30.11 | Corrodias | they FINALLY put in a map? |
| 02:30.39 | Shirik|Ghost | .. |
| 02:32.28 | Corrodias | well, there was always a minimap, which was SO helpful when it was just a big blob of color, but it seemed pretty pointless not to have regular map support |
| 02:32.49 | Shirik|Ghost | There was a pretty good reason to not have map support |
| 02:32.54 | widgertick | Something about exploring |
| 02:33.01 | Shirik|Ghost | and I'm still not sure why they added it |
| 02:33.05 | Shirik|Ghost | but oh well :) |
| 02:33.06 | Corrodias | what was the reason? |
| 02:33.08 | Dagmar | The mystique involved in plunging into stygian depths unknwon is a bit muffled when there's a brightly colored map of the place right there. |
| 02:33.21 | Shirik|Ghost | My reason for it was because you could get exact distances |
| 02:33.32 | Corrodias | Dagmar: too bad people can always have maps, and all it did was make it hard to pinpoint exactly where you were sometimes |
| 02:33.52 | Dagmar | I fail to see how exact distance measurements are all that useful |
| 02:34.07 | Shirik|Ghost | because people are lazy |
| 02:34.30 | Dagmar | A map built with screenshots of the minimap and some creative assaying is about all you need |
| 02:34.40 | Corrodias | so you can... find out how far you need to be from... okay, i don't know either |
| 02:34.47 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 02:35.15 | Dagmar | When you have a map, there's zero mystery in exploration |
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| 02:36.29 | AnduinLothar | is there a way to limit the range that /target uses? |
| 02:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 02:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a cvar |
| 02:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Which one I can't remember |
| 02:41.34 | ScytheBlade1 | targetDistanceMax? |
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| 02:53.38 | Kirov | Has no effect anymore |
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| 02:58.29 | Kraps | lakers are crushing |
| 02:58.39 | Kraps | watching on ustream |
| 03:00.10 | a_nil_value | Kraps: wheres it at on ustream? |
| 03:00.18 | Kraps | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/streameme |
| 03:00.29 | Kraps | audios kinda poor |
| 03:02.24 | a_nil_value | bah its not coming up on my iphone :/ |
| 03:02.37 | Kraps | :( |
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| 03:05.52 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=130860&postcount=833 |
| 03:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 03:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone know of a good bluetooth (stereo) headset? |
| 03:08.02 | Thunder_Child | i'm sure someone does |
| 03:08.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't find one :/ |
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| 03:11.17 | Dagmar | There are none |
| 03:11.31 | Dagmar | Literally zero, and it's a technical shortcoming. |
| 03:11.45 | Dagmar | Bluetooth puts *lag* into the link between the PC and the headset. |
| 03:11.51 | Dagmar | A good half-second or more. |
| 03:12.05 | Dagmar | It makes them generally unsuitable for playing games. |
| 03:12.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I have an amazingly crappy one here |
| 03:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | $16 on Amazon |
| 03:12.28 | Dagmar | Well, then that's probably as good as you'l l get then |
| 03:12.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It crackles pretty badly when I'm all of 4 feet away from the dongle |
| 03:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | But honestly, I'm not noticing any delay |
| 03:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure it is there, but I was -just- playing a game with it and I couldn't tell |
| 03:13.03 | Dagmar | I know the one I have I bought from Best Buy, and it was their house brand (Insignia) so it works, it's light enough, and it's rechargable, but it has s**t for low-end or high-end freq response |
| 03:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | right, that's my problem with this one |
| 03:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The quality is -terrible- |
| 03:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I've looked at this one: http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/mobile/bluetooth-headsets/voyager-855 |
| 03:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | But it doesn't list the frequency response ranges anywhere that I can find |
| 03:14.10 | Dagmar | I somewhat suspect that's another technical issue |
| 03:14.41 | Dagmar | ...but the latency issue was enough of a show-stopper for me. I'm sticking with my "premium" Logitech notebook headset |
| 03:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I honestly don't have any detectable latency |
| 03:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And I spend a -lot- of time doing some pretty heavy listening in general |
| 03:15.06 | Dagmar | When yer gun goes *BANG* with each button push, you *notice* that lag |
| 03:15.21 | Ackis | ScytheBlade1: gf and I use creative HS-1200 |
| 03:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: if I had a half second lag on this, yeah, I'd never ever use it |
| 03:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.4GHz wireless eh |
| 03:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | close :/ |
| 03:16.56 | Dagmar | http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsmobiledev/thread/1b43caa9-8956-4696-b55b-32a5540f132d |
| 03:17.39 | ScytheBlade1 | might be the profile I'm using |
| 03:17.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Right now I just have a mono stream |
| 03:17.52 | Dagmar | That would be why |
| 03:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | (And a bt 1.5 dongle) |
| 03:19.01 | Dagmar | My earpiece I could use, but the stereo headset was not usable |
| 03:19.33 | Dagmar | It was definitely a buzzkill |
| 03:20.01 | ScytheBlade1 | This isn't surprising, but disappointing |
| 03:20.04 | Dagmar | I've since begun stripping that headset apart and shaving off all the excess material for installing it into my helmet |
| 03:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, nice |
| 03:20.29 | Dagmar | No reason (well, aside from legal ones) that I can't have it inside full face helmet |
| 03:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833242001 is the dongle I'll probably go with for my desktop |
| 03:20.54 | Dagmar | I'm just having to learn a bit about fabrication techniques on membrane keypards |
| 03:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hard to beat $15 with EDR |
| 03:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd give me at least the capability for stereo output |
| 03:21.52 | Dagmar | You have a dongle that can't connect A2DP? |
| 03:21.55 | Dagmar | Weird |
| 03:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Too low bandwidth |
| 03:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I bought them -cheap- quite some time ago |
| 03:22.16 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 03:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I think $5 each |
| 03:22.31 | Dagmar | I paid like $9 for one, got another one free with the headset I got from Best Buy |
| 03:22.35 | Dagmar | Both work fine |
| 03:22.56 | Dagmar | They both work better than the transmitter on my damn cell phone |
| 03:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:23.36 | Kraps | magic are 30% from the field? :/ |
| 03:23.41 | Dagmar | That thing if I put the phone in my left knee pocket, I'll get some static from the signal going through *me* to my right ear |
| 03:24.20 | Dagmar | The USB dongles, I can leave the study, walk to the kitchen, poke around int he fridge for a soda, and keep jibbering in vent guild chat |
| 03:24.32 | Dagmar | "Don't pull yet I'm putting the grapes away!" |
| 03:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah the headset I'm using |
| 03:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Caps out at 1 channel, 16-bit, 8000Hz |
| 03:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So you can imagine the epic frequency response I've got |
| 03:27.56 | kd3 | ick |
| 03:28.20 | Dagmar | Yeah but that was really only meant for like, phone calls. |
| 03:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 03:28.38 | Dagmar | ...and that's realistically about all you can expect in the way of freq response from the telco in most places |
| 03:28.39 | Shirik|Ghost | 8000 hz? |
| 03:28.42 | Shirik|Ghost | Are you sure? |
| 03:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.store.motorola.com/mot/en/US/adirect/motorola?cmd=catProductDetail&productID=98769H&showAddButton=true |
| 03:28.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Very |
| 03:29.04 | ScytheBlade1 | (It isn't worth $40) |
| 03:29.07 | Shirik|Ghost | I think those specs are wrong |
| 03:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That came straight out of Vista's audio manager |
| 03:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It was the -only- option |
| 03:29.34 | Shirik|Ghost | That doesn't make any sense |
| 03:29.37 | Dagmar | Man I used to work at a dialup ISP. You'd be amazed what kind of cheap things telcos do to put more calls through |
| 03:29.40 | Shirik|Ghost | 4000Hz is way too low |
| 03:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm telling you |
| 03:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It's terrible |
| 03:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Functional, but terrible |
| 03:29.58 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: are you talking about cellphone telco or landline telco |
| 03:30.17 | Shirik|Ghost | for voice? Voice patterns go up to at least 6khz |
| 03:30.37 | Shirik|Ghost | You don't notice it because it's superimposed |
| 03:30.51 | Dagmar | That's the sample rate he's talking about |
| 03:30.55 | Dagmar | Not the upper-range of frequency response |
| 03:31.03 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Land-line. |
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| 03:31.27 | Shirik|Ghost | If you were paying attention to what I said, you'd know I already noticed that |
| 03:31.29 | Dagmar | Land line telcos stopped cutting people down to 8Hz some time earlier |
| 03:32.17 | Dagmar | Afaik they could still kick a circuit down to that if they wanted/needed to |
| 03:32.56 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: BellSouth are such an incredible lot of a**holes that they actually reprovsioned one of our T1's like that once tho |
| 03:33.13 | Arrowmaster | "For a typical phone call, the audio sound is digitized at an 8 kHz sample rate using 8-bit pulse-code modulation for each of the 8000 samples per second. This resulted in a data rate of 64 kbit/s." |
| 03:33.31 | Shirik|Ghost | that's horrible |
| 03:33.33 | Dagmar | When they were "deregulated" to allow them to run an ISP service of their own, they immediately began screwing with the lines of every dialup ISP around here. |
| 03:33.47 | Shirik|Ghost | You can barely get speech squeezed into 4khz |
| 03:33.51 | Shirik|Ghost | barely |
| 03:34.02 | Dagmar | The four months I was in charge of dealing with their crap, out of the 28 or so T1's we had, three were _always_ down |
| 03:34.02 | Shirik|Ghost | anything beyond that would have noticable aliasing |
| 03:34.12 | Shirik|Ghost | especially if you had multiple people talking |
| 03:34.29 | Arrowmaster | what i just quoted was a DS0 |
| 03:35.00 | Dagmar | If you're looking for a cheap earpiece I just got two H680's (refurbed) for $20 apiece |
| 03:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that is what that quality rate is labeled as in Vista |
| 03:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | "(Telephone quality)" |
| 03:35.29 | Shirik|Ghost | get better telephone service |
| 03:35.30 | Dagmar | wirelessoemshop.com is shifty enough I used Paypal to pay for them, but they did at least come through with a pair of them for me, including the chargers |
| 03:35.39 | Shirik|Ghost | that being said |
| 03:35.40 | Shirik|Ghost | wtf |
| 03:35.44 | Shirik|Ghost | I just died in l4d |
| 03:35.47 | Arrowmaster | i picked up a plantronics explorer 360 the other day, havent even opened it up |
| 03:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, fail |
| 03:35.48 | Shirik|Ghost | not because I sucked |
| 03:35.49 | Dagmar | Zombies gotcha |
| 03:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 03:35.52 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:35.52 | Shirik|Ghost | I 1 on 1'ed a tank |
| 03:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | No, because you suck |
| 03:35.56 | Shirik|Ghost | and at the end got knocked down |
| 03:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Weakling, you suck |
| 03:36.01 | Shirik|Ghost | and all 3 of the AI just stared at me |
| 03:36.07 | kd3 | so, uh... why are you 1-on-1ing a tank? |
| 03:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well there is your problem |
| 03:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You're playing with the AI |
| 03:36.19 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:36.20 | Corrodias | sadly, this is true :( |
| 03:36.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Fix your internet and we'll play a few rounds |
| 03:36.32 | Shirik|Ghost | ALL THREE |
| 03:36.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I even have my own server set up we can use |
| 03:36.39 | Shirik|Ghost | if it were ScytheBlade1 I would expect it |
| 03:36.49 | Dagmar | Clearly some people aren't old enough to remember how craptacular phone service used to be |
| 03:36.52 | Shirik|Ghost | but the AI shouldn't leave me to die -_- |
| 03:37.08 | kd3 | oh I remember the pain and suffering of dialup |
| 03:37.09 | Kraps | lakers win 100-76 |
| 03:37.21 | Arrowmaster | i would play l4d with you but im likely to be worse than the ai due to shitty frame rate |
| 03:37.28 | kd3 | especially dealing with prodigy in the middle of nowhere in central florida |
| 03:37.39 | Kraps | koby had 40 ptds |
| 03:37.42 | Dagmar | I remember the pain and suffering from before BellSouth conned the Public SErvice Commission out of a few million dollars in order to upgrade their equipment to handle DSL |
| 03:37.43 | Kraps | pts* |
| 03:37.56 | Corrodias | i'd be happy to play along, though i haven't played in a few weeks |
| 03:38.10 | Dagmar | What they should have told them was "This will merely bring our core equipment up to the modern age. We'll be back to actually upgrade the field CO's in a few years. Have your checkbooks ready" |
| 03:38.26 | Arrowmaster | i actually used to get 64k connections using my 56k modem |
| 03:38.32 | Dagmar | There were places in the next county over you could be guaranteed to hit a 16khz circuit |
| 03:38.53 | Dagmar | scuse... an 8khz circuit |
| 03:39.38 | Dagmar | ...but mainly I spent about 2-3 hours out of every day calling BellSouth up and cussing at them |
| 03:40.07 | Dagmar | ...and if I wasn't cussing them on the phone, I was driving to a POP so that I could prove their techs were lying about circuits being hot. |
| 03:40.28 | Dagmar | I actually had an oper tell me that a circuit was hot and testing fine... while the unterminated (and unpowered end) was in my mouth. |
| 03:40.30 | kd3 | techs lying? unpossible |
| 03:40.40 | Shirik|Ghost | want to hear something scarier? |
| 03:40.48 | Shirik|Ghost | We got a new QA on our team today |
| 03:40.52 | Dagmar | They were brazenly screwing with everyone's T1's in order to make it look like *their* ISP service was reliable |
| 03:40.54 | Shirik|Ghost | he used to be IT *grin* |
| 03:41.03 | kd3 | oh ye gods |
| 03:41.07 | kd3 | how did HR approve that? |
| 03:41.22 | Dagmar | There was a dude up in White House TN that started an ISP with two T1 lines... one for 24 dialins and one for his upstream. |
| 03:41.24 | Shirik|Ghost | actually he's a pretty cool guy :) I just like giving him crap |
| 03:41.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian (n=wizard@203.171.70.21.static.rev.aanet.com.au) |
| 03:41.36 | Kraps | Shirik|Ghost: what does that mean? |
| 03:41.39 | Dagmar | I think he managed to have it all working a total of three days out of the four months he was trying |
| 03:41.56 | Dagmar | ...because he didn't threaten to kill enough of their techs I think |
| 03:42.28 | Dagmar | He'd get the dialin pool back up, and the upstream T would magically get de-provisioned, or re-routed, or the encoding changed, etc |
| 03:42.35 | Shirik|Ghost | Kraps? |
| 03:43.19 | Kraps | QA, IT (i know what it is...) |
| 03:43.44 | Dagmar | Once he got the upstream fixed, they'd do extra cool things like change his dialin pool to have no D-channels. |
| 03:44.02 | Kraps | (i know what IT is)* |
| 03:44.21 | Dagmar | I, on the other hand, would wait about eight seconds before screaming into the phone at any tech who would tell me I had 24 B channels on a circuit |
| 03:45.16 | Dagmar | What kills me is that we were never allowed to officially tell people "The telco is deliberately screwing us over" |
| 03:45.34 | Shirik|Ghost | QA = Quality Assurance |
| 03:45.40 | Dagmar | ...but if they weren't, I'm a purple-arsed ocelot. |
| 03:45.42 | Shirik|Ghost | making sure the plane doesn't go boom into the ground |
| 03:46.24 | Dagmar | Lemme guess, they liked that he knew how to type? |
| 03:46.44 | Shirik|Ghost | nah I'm not sure how he got out of IT, I just know he's really cool :) |
| 03:46.46 | Kraps | did blizz go to E3 |
| 03:46.51 | Kraps | ? |
| 03:46.55 | widgertick | Nope |
| 03:47.02 | widgertick | Actard did |
| 03:47.03 | Dagmar | The real action's at PAX |
| 03:47.06 | widgertick | But there were no Blizzard games |
| 03:47.12 | Shirik|Ghost | actard? |
| 03:47.13 | Shirik|Ghost | lol |
| 03:47.43 | widgertick | xD |
| 03:48.16 | Shirik|Ghost | I got it |
| 03:48.34 | Shirik|Ghost | Blizzard needs to make an arcade-style (read, "soul calibur") game of WoW |
| 03:49.19 | Kraps | arena? |
| 03:49.22 | Shirik|Ghost | no more "dps rotation" crap |
| 03:49.28 | Shirik|Ghost | just one on one hard core reaction times! |
| 03:49.33 | Cide | Shirik|Ghost: I believe you're looking for "Questioning Answers" |
| 03:49.36 | Shirik|Ghost | even if it's just console based or something |
| 03:49.58 | Kraps | Shirik|Ghost: OMG CATERING TO CASUALS!!!!!111 |
| 03:50.05 | Dagmar | Let's not have another EverQuest Adventures, kthx |
| 03:50.11 | Shirik|Ghost | whassat |
| 03:50.19 | Dagmar | It just pissed me off to see that game. |
| 03:50.43 | Dagmar | Some of those places the drolvargs wouldn't even have to slow _down_ to kill you, but load it on a console and you could go in there naked and have a fighting chance alone |
| 03:51.01 | Dagmar | Like, what. the. eff. |
| 03:51.25 | Thunder_Child | ~dance |
| 03:51.26 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
| 03:51.53 | Wobin | Shirik: They could call it |
| 03:51.53 | widgertick | I bet if Blizzard released a console version of WoW it would almost exactly replicate what Sony did with EverQuest. |
| 03:51.55 | Wobin | World of FIGHT |
| 03:52.03 | widgertick | </ridiculous statement> |
| 03:52.07 | Dagmar | If they do it, and you see Yogg-Saron become a "Press X to not die now" encounter, you will feeel my pain |
| 03:52.11 | Lukian | <Shirik|Ghost> no more "dps rotation" crap <- roll a different class! :D |
| 03:52.22 | Shirik|Ghost | widgertick: parse error: unpatched end tag </ridiculous> |
| 03:52.29 | Shirik|Ghost | s/patched/matched/ |
| 03:52.34 | Dagmar | Wobin: I can't believe no one sued them for that |
| 03:52.35 | Kraps | Lukian: its always a rotation |
| 03:52.46 | Dagmar | Ripping off one company's graphics is one thing, but two? Crazy! |
| 03:52.46 | Shirik|Ghost | Lukian: I'm a healer |
| 03:52.50 | Shirik|Ghost | and I'm a healer exactly for that reason |
| 03:52.54 | widgertick | patches his tags... |
| 03:52.54 | Lukian | ^_^ |
| 03:52.57 | Shirik|Ghost | because I got so sick of doing the same thing over and over again |
| 03:52.58 | Wobin | Dagmar: there's the suing, then there's the "Is it even worth the effort" |
| 03:53.02 | Kraps | they should get rid of the gcd :X |
| 03:53.07 | Shirik|Ghost | haha |
| 03:53.11 | Shirik|Ghost | boomkins would become uber |
| 03:53.17 | Shirik|Ghost | boomkins would just stack mana |
| 03:53.23 | Dagmar | Hunters would eat boomkins for lunch. |
| 03:53.27 | Wobin | Machinegun Wrath Attack! |
| 03:53.29 | Shirik|Ghost | and then make a macro to hit moonfire 500000 times at once |
| 03:53.35 | Dagmar | We're locked down to a 1.5s GCD for a reason |
| 03:53.49 | Lukian | yeah but you *could* give every ability a cooldown :p |
| 03:53.55 | Shirik|Ghost | they do |
| 03:53.58 | Shirik|Ghost | a 1.5 second cooldown :P |
| 03:54.02 | Wobin | it's called the GCD =) |
| 03:54.03 | Lukian | lol |
| 03:54.10 | Dagmar | Not quite man |
| 03:54.14 | Dagmar | Mages can haste down to 1.0s |
| 03:54.19 | Shirik|Ghost | ok w/e |
| 03:54.29 | Dagmar | Hunter GCD is the one that does *not* change with more haste |
| 03:54.35 | Kraps | rouges start with 1.0s no? |
| 03:54.38 | Shirik|Ghost | That being said, I HAVE played a game that did not have a GCD |
| 03:54.41 | Shirik|Ghost | It was interesting |
| 03:54.45 | Shirik|Ghost | instead each ability had a cooldown |
| 03:54.48 | Lukian | aye |
| 03:54.49 | Shirik|Ghost | and it was entirely pvp-based |
| 03:54.59 | Lukian | energy systems are kinda nice too |
| 03:55.00 | Wobin | does WAR have a GCD? |
| 03:55.05 | Wobin | I can't remember |
| 03:55.07 | Lukian | plenty of time to think about what ability to use next |
| 03:55.11 | Dagmar | Kraps: I thought everyone starts with 1.5s and haste can reduce it to 1.0s (except hunters) |
| 03:55.15 | widgertick | I think WAR's GCD involved pressing buttons and having nothing happen. |
| 03:55.20 | Dagmar | lol |
| 03:55.20 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 03:55.23 | Wobin | -that- I remember |
| 03:55.29 | Lukian | rather than playing a f'ing Marks / SV hunter and having to hit a different button every 1.5sec. |
| 03:55.34 | Dagmar | Their GCD didn't matter because most of the attacks were crazy slow anyway |
| 03:55.59 | Dagmar | Lukian: Yeah so where other classes can run out of cooldowns to hit, imagine if we were allowed to drop our GCD to 1.0s |
| 03:56.14 | Dagmar | Our DPS could go up 33% pretty much the next day |
| 03:56.23 | Kraps | Dagmar: no i think i read that rouges have a 1.0s cd |
| 03:56.34 | Kraps | could be wrong though |
| 03:56.37 | Lukian | I wouldn't want to play a hunter with a 1.0sec gcd, I barely want to play sv/marks with a 1.5s gcd :p |
| 03:56.47 | Dagmar | Kraps: You'd be right actually |
| 03:57.23 | Dagmar | Rogues and cat form druids apparently start at 1.0s |
| 03:57.25 | Lukian | wtb longer cd's and more damage per attack |
| 03:57.38 | Dagmar | Lukian: Lazy |
| 03:57.44 | Dagmar | Respec BM |
| 03:57.48 | Lukian | Dagmar, I have enough RSI already :p |
| 03:57.52 | Lukian | yeah thinking about it |
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| 03:58.10 | Dagmar | It's kinda nice to sometimes be able to just let go of the mouse and light a smoke in the middle of a boss fight. ;) |
| 03:58.22 | Lukian | my white damage in marks hits nicely if I feel like being lazy at least XD |
| 03:58.27 | Dagmar | You miss one or two shots but the pet keeps chewing. ;) |
| 03:58.34 | Lukian | haha |
| 04:01.26 | Dagmar | During that last scourge invasion they were throwing all thise haste gear at us, I had Steady Shot (2.0s cast time normally) down to 0.8s |
| 04:01.36 | Dagmar | I soo kept hoping they'd unlock that GCD |
| 04:12.47 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40903 is nice |
| 04:13.01 | Kraps | so many damn runners... |
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| 04:18.28 | DWSR | What's the debuff the drakes apply to Malygos? |
| 04:18.30 | DWSR | Flame Spike? |
| 04:18.39 | DWSR | Engulf in Flames? |
| 04:23.46 | Shirik|Ghost | tekkub: you suck |
| 04:24.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Rincewind` (n=Rince@WoWUIDev/Norganna/QA-Engineer/Rincewind) |
| 04:24.33 | mikma | lal, why does he suck? |
| 04:24.43 | mikma | cause, he can! ah ah ah |
| 04:25.27 | Shirik|Ghost | is that to imply he has a mouth? |
| 04:25.40 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm not sure what it really means to say "cause he can" |
| 04:25.59 | mikma | tekkub sucks cause he can |
| 04:26.05 | tekkub | he doesn't mean why do I suck |
| 04:26.12 | tekkub | he means why are you pointing it out? |
| 04:26.22 | Shirik|Ghost | because of your post! |
| 04:26.27 | Shirik|Ghost | seconds before mine |
| 04:26.42 | tekkub | because it was better ^^ |
| 04:26.56 | tekkub | I know, hate me for my way with words and penii |
| 04:27.11 | mikma | also, which post? |
| 04:27.16 | tekkub | MUAHAHAH! |
| 04:27.18 | tekkub | I WIN! |
| 04:27.28 | tekkub | the Auctioneer issue won the debate |
| 04:27.36 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik|Ghost -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon ticket contests: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23763 & http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ | Minion: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24025 | I know, hate me for my way with words and penii - tekkub |
| 04:27.52 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/rage.jpg |
| 04:28.19 | Shirik|Ghost | omg |
| 04:28.21 | Shirik|Ghost | kuvei |
| 04:28.26 | Shirik|Ghost | what happened to bhit |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik|Ghost | bshit |
| 04:28.51 | mikma | oh it's there, the "discarded" section |
| 04:28.52 | Shirik|Ghost | and wtf is that |
| 04:28.53 | Shirik|Ghost | lol |
| 04:29.00 | Shirik|Ghost | I know mikma |
| 04:29.06 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm just saying it seems to be the only place you go :) |
| 04:29.11 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dasboot.jpg |
| 04:29.13 | Shirik|Ghost | you never go into the "good" section :P |
| 04:29.25 | mikma | i do but the pictures aren't "good" in the "good" sections, usually |
| 04:30.18 | tekkub | man I feel all special now |
| 04:30.33 | tekkub | I've turned, at least most of the way, one of the WM whiners |
| 04:30.33 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/lava_lamp.jpg |
| 04:31.23 | Corrodias | what |
| 04:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | tekkub: liar |
| 04:32.18 | Shirik|Ghost | yeah |
| 04:32.23 | Shirik|Ghost | I was thinking the same thing ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:32.33 | Torhal | You're all evil, and there is nothing you can say or do to convince me otherwise. |
| 04:32.38 | Torhal | Can I haz a cookie? |
| 04:32.49 | Corrodias | the evil is part of the charm |
| 04:32.50 | Dagmar | begins wiping everything down with disinfectant in case whatever tekkub caught is still around |
| 04:32.51 | tekkub | I'm not lying at all, I feel special! |
| 04:32.55 | tekkub | specialer than usual |
| 04:32.57 | Corrodias | Evil Is Sexy. says so right on tvtropes.org. |
| 04:32.59 | Shirik|Ghost | yes you are >.> |
| 04:33.05 | Torhal | mikma: Also: Your new kidney is in transit via FedEx |
| 04:33.54 | mikma | me, kidney? yey. |
| 04:36.10 | kd3 | oh ye gods |
| 04:36.14 | kd3 | tvtropes is evil |
| 04:36.22 | kd3 | I've lost entirely too much time there |
| 04:36.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Aeyan| (n=pancake@cpe-071-076-230-073.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 04:38.26 | Wobin | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__XCWUd8FFjQ/Sifk0RTlD4I/AAAAAAAAHIc/q8wljPPO1mw/s1600-h/Microsoft2.jpg |
| 04:39.17 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/sixpack.jpg |
| 04:44.30 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/01/funny-pictures-a-new-add-on/ |
| 04:44.59 | Shirik|Ghost | I swear |
| 04:45.13 | Shirik|Ghost | between mikma and Wobin, we have our own google images service |
| 04:45.20 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:45.28 | Wobin | and you don't even have to search! |
| 04:45.41 | Wobin | custom topic images straight to ur irc! |
| 04:46.03 | Shirik|Ghost | it's like mind reading |
| 04:46.29 | Shirik|Ghost | aww but the add-on one is cute |
| 04:46.43 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA |
| 04:46.44 | Cide | awesome |
| 04:46.57 | Wobin | so... nelf druid catforms |
| 04:47.07 | Wobin | they look pretty awesome |
| 04:47.16 | Shirik|Ghost | ? |
| 04:47.18 | Wobin | (and punk) |
| 04:47.23 | Wobin | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/may/ss4.jpg |
| 04:47.23 | Shirik|Ghost | are they changing them or something? |
| 04:47.35 | Shirik|Ghost | cannot click! |
| 04:47.39 | Shirik|Ghost | simple yes or no question |
| 04:47.43 | Wobin | yes |
| 04:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | you -can- click |
| 04:47.44 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 04:47.52 | Shirik|Ghost | no |
| 04:47.52 | Shirik|Ghost | fu |
| 04:47.54 | ScytheBlade1 | yes I've used a similar connection before |
| 04:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | CLICK |
| 04:48.01 | Wobin | CLICK NAOW |
| 04:48.08 | Shirik|Ghost | NO |
| 04:48.11 | Shirik|Ghost | u cant maek me |
| 04:48.19 | tekkub | even though I try not to be nelf and I'd never go feral kitty... |
| 04:48.19 | Wobin | I like the one on the left |
| 04:48.23 | Wobin | It looks like Shirik |
| 04:48.31 | Shirik|Ghost | :/ |
| 04:48.32 | tekkub | I think the nelf cat models are the biggest improvement |
| 04:48.37 | Wobin | yeh |
| 04:48.43 | Shirik|Ghost | are there female vs male models? |
| 04:48.50 | tekkub | the old one is just... pointy |
| 04:48.52 | Wobin | you'll have to click to see |
| 04:49.04 | tekkub | and the elf bears have ear hair |
| 04:49.07 | Shirik|Ghost | .. |
| 04:49.12 | Shirik|Ghost | you all suck |
| 04:49.14 | Shirik|Ghost | making me wait 3 more days |
| 04:49.20 | Wobin | pft |
| 04:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | IT IS NOT A BIG PICTURE |
| 04:49.27 | Wobin | I'm capped atm for the next 5 days |
| 04:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU CAN LOAD IT FINE |
| 04:49.36 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 04:50.10 | Wobin | it makes raiding difficult when you DC due to aoe spells |
| 04:50.26 | Shirik|Ghost | but I dun wanna ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:50.50 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 04:50.50 | Wobin | http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6708/newnelfcats2.jpg |
| 04:51.00 | Wobin | some -awesome- cats right there |
| 04:51.08 | tekkub | I find it funny how if you beat *some* people around with logical arguments long enough, they eventually incur enough brain damage to see your side of things |
| 04:51.14 | Corrodias | HAHAHA |
| 04:51.15 | Wobin | Scene Kid Cat rules |
| 04:51.25 | tekkub | oh that is perfect |
| 04:51.35 | tekkub | I've not shown Trey the new nelf cats yet |
| 04:53.47 | Shirik|Ghost | tekkub: You know, the funny thing about modifying files without telling anyone |
| 04:53.57 | Shirik|Ghost | there's certain licenses that straight up don't allow you to do that |
| 04:54.16 | tekkub | yea like, uh, a whole lot of them |
| 04:54.33 | tekkub | *especially* the ones WM is curently abusing |
| 04:55.54 | Wobin | where you posting, tek? |
| 04:56.08 | tekkub | The Thread |
| 04:58.06 | Shirik|Ghost | wtf |
| 04:58.08 | Shirik|Ghost | how is that even possible |
| 04:58.17 | Shirik|Ghost | woot.com: Speed to first woot: 0m 4.060s |
| 04:58.34 | tekkub | saved account, logged in? |
| 04:58.38 | tekkub | I want, yes yes done |
| 05:06.21 | Thunder_Child | really tekkub? $200 |
| 05:07.40 | tekkub | eh? |
| 05:08.37 | Thunder_Child | the woot |
| 05:10.47 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:10.54 | Wobin | I think QH should be hosted on WM |
| 05:11.00 | Wobin | Just to watch them go under |
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| 05:17.32 | tekkub | TC, oh yea they have lots of shit |
| 05:17.40 | tekkub | I wasn't saying I wanted one |
| 05:17.47 | tekkub | was just saying that how someone did it in 4 secs |
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| 05:25.11 | Wobin | hehe nice |
| 05:25.15 | Wobin | 1-80 with no deaths |
| 05:27.35 | Wobin | although... |
| 05:27.39 | Wobin | where would you go from there? |
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| 05:52.10 | Ackis | ffffufufuckckkc |
| 05:52.15 | Ackis | cat climbed up my back |
| 05:52.19 | Ackis | owwwwww |
| 05:53.15 | Corrodias | :( |
| 05:53.18 | Corrodias | or rather |
| 05:53.19 | Corrodias | :3 |
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| 06:10.40 | durcyn | there are bots set up to buy whatever's on woot, then it's re-sold on ebay for more |
| 06:17.22 | Corrodias | that's not cool |
| 06:18.34 | tekkub | well today they bought shit ^^ |
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| 06:22.24 | Tem | so, I just got my new video card installed |
| 06:22.30 | Tem | and holy crap it's huge |
| 06:23.12 | Corrodias | no kidding, right? |
| 06:23.19 | Corrodias | they're getting a little big lately |
| 06:23.27 | Tem | I had trouble fitting it inside the case |
| 06:24.48 | durcyn | i'm more annoyed that you have to feed them supplemental power |
| 06:24.54 | durcyn | 24 VDC? seriously? |
| 06:25.09 | Tem | it had TWO additional 6 pin connections |
| 06:25.18 | Tem | it also had another small thing |
| 06:25.22 | Tem | that I'm not sure what it is |
| 06:25.26 | Tem | I suspect it's a ground wire |
| 06:25.36 | Tem | and I'm pretty sure I plugged it into the wrong place |
| 06:25.40 | Tem | which I'm kind of worried about |
| 06:25.49 | Corrodias | i got a GTX 260-216 and know just about what you mean |
| 06:26.03 | Corrodias | although this ground wire thing is new to me... mine just had the two 6-pin power connectors |
| 06:26.04 | Tem | that is the EXACT card I just installed |
| 06:26.20 | Corrodias | also an audio connector for HDMI |
| 06:26.24 | Tem | who made yours? |
| 06:26.28 | Corrodias | BFG |
| 06:26.31 | Tem | EVGA here |
| 06:26.49 | Corrodias | i guess there COULD be a difference in design |
| 06:27.08 | Tem | Actually |
| 06:27.11 | Tem | now that you mention it |
| 06:27.17 | Tem | it probably was the audio connector |
| 06:27.43 | Tem | the cable had SPDIF on it which is some kind of audio thing iirc |
| 06:27.48 | Corrodias | that's right. |
| 06:27.53 | Tem | it also had ground on it |
| 06:27.57 | Tem | so I just went with that |
| 06:28.06 | Corrodias | if you're not using HDMI output, there's no need to use that port |
| 06:28.11 | Tem | great |
| 06:28.22 | Tem | gotta reboot |
| 06:28.23 | Corrodias | someone was brilliant and decided to send audio through the video cable in the HDMI spec, so we're stuck with that nonsense |
| 06:28.26 | Tem | driving stall done |
| 06:28.35 | Corrodias | good luck |
| 06:28.41 | Tem | oh |
| 06:28.42 | Tem | wow |
| 06:28.45 | Tem | that was a monster typo |
| 06:28.49 | Tem | driver install done |
| 06:28.53 | Corrodias | that makes more sense |
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| 06:31.56 | Tem | now |
| 06:32.02 | Tem | let's find something pretty to show |
| 06:34.09 | durcyn | porn |
| 06:34.28 | Tem | porn doesn't have a SUPER HIGH setting |
| 06:34.55 | Corrodias | can think of some PRETTY GOOD porn... |
| 06:37.05 | Tem | so I just set wow to full settings |
| 06:37.14 | haste | blu-ray porn! |
| 06:37.32 | Tem | we'll see if I can handle this |
| 06:37.45 | Corrodias | what can't handle WoW at full settings? >_> |
| 06:38.07 | Tem | my old card |
| 06:38.08 | Corrodias | i kid, i quit playing before Wrath. during BC, the 7800GT was fully capable of running everything at max |
| 06:38.24 | Tem | you haven't see the new shadow settings |
| 06:38.29 | Tem | also, they upped the max farclip |
| 06:39.29 | Tem | and |
| 06:39.39 | Tem | I heard there were more visual improvements coming in LK |
| 06:39.54 | Thunder_Child | yep, i have an 8800GTX and it cant get slowed |
| 06:40.08 | Thunder_Child | and i play at max settings |
| 06:40.12 | Thunder_Child | can* |
| 06:40.14 | Thunder_Child | not cant |
| 06:40.29 | Tem | I was having pretty severe problems with Mimiron |
| 06:40.33 | Tem | particularly phase 2 |
| 06:40.41 | Thunder_Child | i'm doing him now |
| 06:40.44 | Corrodias | what was the old card, anyway? |
| 06:40.59 | Thunder_Child | we got all to < 10% and died :( |
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| 06:42.51 | Tem | 7600 GS |
| 06:43.12 | Corrodias | grats on the upgrade. those 3-generation jumps can really help |
| 06:43.17 | Tem | :) |
| 06:43.54 | Corrodias | i do the same thing. my first was a geforce 1, then a 3 later upgraded to a 4, then a 7, and now a... well, 10 if you want to keep the generation numbers going |
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| 06:44.35 | Tem | how do addons get the current fps? |
| 06:44.50 | haste | jumping over a generation on the CPU is much more fun |
| 06:44.50 | Tem | the default ui fps indicator is behind part of my ui so I can't see it |
| 06:44.57 | haste | going from single core to i7 was a blast :p |
| 06:45.05 | Corrodias | i bet |
| 06:45.46 | haste | fetched 6G memory also, but it was a pretty useless action under linux |
| 06:45.56 | haste | I've yet to bypass 2G with WoW running |
| 06:46.28 | Thunder_Child | Tem, they pull from the fps api? |
| 06:46.31 | Thunder_Child | !api FPS |
| 06:46.31 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'FPS'. |
| 06:46.34 | Thunder_Child | nvm then |
| 06:46.41 | haste | !api Framerate |
| 06:46.42 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'Framerate': GetFramerate, Animation:SetMaxFramerate, Animation:GetMaxFramerate |
| 06:46.42 | Tem | Thunder_Child, yeah I can't find it |
| 06:47.18 | Thunder_Child | ~api GetFramerate |
| 06:47.19 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetFramerate |
| 06:47.25 | Thunder_Child | !api GetFramerate |
| 06:47.25 | lua_bot | GetFramerate: Returns the current graphical framerate (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetFramerate) |
| 06:48.49 | haste | stabs WoW-Bot |
| 06:48.55 | haste | I hate that thing |
| 06:49.18 | haste | we already have lua_bot sending it to the channel, I don't need to know that it failed at finding it notice |
| 06:49.59 | Thunder_Child | what wow bot? |
| 06:50.16 | Thunder_Child | oh... |
| 06:50.21 | Thunder_Child | whats it's trigger? |
| 06:50.29 | haste | it uses !api also |
| 06:50.33 | haste | but it sends a notice |
| 06:50.45 | Arrowmaster | Thrae! |
| 06:50.49 | Thunder_Child | so it does |
| 06:50.54 | haste | 0846.42| [freenode] -WoW-Bot(n=WoW-Bot@pool-96-244-129-115.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net)- haste: Could not find a relevant page. Perhaps you |
| 06:51.08 | haste | Arrowmaster: already poked him |
| 06:54.19 | Arrowmaster | so an hour ago in the wowwiki channel it was pointed out that filefront is a major security risk |
| 06:54.52 | Arrowmaster | they dont escape <script> in comments so its possible to leave a comment on a file that loads a script to change the download link |
| 06:54.55 | Corrodias | it is? >_> whyso? |
| 06:55.20 | Corrodias | that's dumb :V |
| 06:56.45 | tekkub | o/~ and we were duh duh done with all the fuh fuh fucking around! o/~ |
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| 06:58.27 | durcyn | star wars + furries = wtf. http://www.shopncsx.com/jabbathehuttsupremeeditioncostume.aspx |
| 06:58.53 | tekkub | I have no idea |
| 06:59.19 | tekkub | "and a battery-operated fan to keep you cool" |
| 06:59.35 | tekkub | real star wars furries go ewok |
| 06:59.41 | tekkub | or chewy |
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| 07:02.34 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 07:03.15 | Arrowmaster | i just opened a new dvd case and its got a fucking huge recycle symbol cut into the front of the plastic case, behind the paper insert |
| 07:03.49 | tekkub | it either wants to you recycle it, or it really wants you to know it was recycled |
| 07:04.26 | Arrowmaster | it wants me to know that the case does not infact protect the dvd inside of it |
| 07:05.14 | Arrowmaster | sharp pointy things can poke and scratch the top of the disc with far less force than is required to pierce a normal case |
| 07:05.48 | tekkub | oh quit your erath-hating bitching |
| 07:06.01 | tekkub | you're the reason we're all dying slowly of global warming |
| 07:06.09 | Arrowmaster | no im not |
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| 07:19.53 | tardmrr | shadow quality is perhaps the sexiest setting ever |
| 07:20.08 | haste | too bad t doesn't work under opengl |
| 07:21.13 | Elkano | too bad it eats performance like Homer J. eats Donuts :( |
| 07:22.08 | haste | too bad my computer can handle it just fine |
| 07:22.10 | tardmrr | Elkano, indeed |
| 07:25.31 | Sargeras | work made me miss Dolby in LA |
| 07:25.36 | Sargeras | cries |
| 07:25.44 | Cairenn | huggles Sargeras |
| 07:25.52 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:25.57 | Sargeras | hallos cutie |
| 07:26.02 | Cairenn | hey :) |
| 07:26.08 | Thunder_Child | who is in LA? |
| 07:26.09 | Sargeras | how are you? |
| 07:26.13 | Sargeras | Dolby |
| 07:26.17 | Cairenn | I'm doing okay, you? |
| 07:26.20 | Sargeras | ZAM sent him there for E3 |
| 07:26.22 | Sargeras | doing alright |
| 07:26.23 | Sargeras | tired |
| 07:26.25 | Sargeras | work is busy |
| 07:26.29 | Cairenn | nod |
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| 07:26.54 | Sargeras | but I am now MCTS certified! |
| 07:27.05 | Thunder_Child | that would put him....about 30min away from me |
| 07:27.19 | Sargeras | LA convention center |
| 07:27.27 | Sargeras | about an hour from me |
| 07:27.27 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 07:27.43 | Cairenn | grats on cert! |
| 07:27.48 | Sargeras | danke :D |
| 07:27.50 | Thunder_Child | i live near the bev center if you knowabouts where that is |
| 07:27.58 | Sargeras | work already told me I wont be getting raise lol |
| 07:28.23 | Sargeras | yeah I know where that is |
| 07:28.28 | Sargeras | on Beverly Blvd |
| 07:28.36 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:28.53 | Sargeras | near where the 405 meets the 10 |
| 07:28.57 | Sargeras | used to live near there |
| 07:29.01 | Thunder_Child | no... |
| 07:29.08 | Thunder_Child | that would be around westwood |
| 07:29.14 | Sargeras | well... |
| 07:29.25 | Sargeras | its between the 405 and the 101 |
| 07:29.48 | Thunder_Child | thats about 10 miles between the 2 |
| 07:29.51 | Thunder_Child | but yes |
| 07:29.56 | Sargeras | take santo monica blvd |
| 07:30.00 | Sargeras | to beverly |
| 07:30.05 | Sargeras | santa* |
| 07:30.06 | Sargeras | so yeah ;p |
| 07:30.08 | zenzio | thank you WoWInsider for making me aware that people selling spectral tigers might be scammers. I surely would never have found out about this without you! |
| 07:30.33 | Sargeras | wowinsider's article on Ferraro made me laugh |
| 07:31.25 | Thunder_Child | i hate santa monica bvld. the damn thing both runs parallel and crosses wilshire |
| 07:31.38 | Sargeras | lol |
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| 07:47.39 | Torhal | It's always interesting to tab over to this channel. I never really thought about it until now, but nearly every time I check this channel, I see someone say the word "porn". |
| 07:48.22 | Wobin | hm |
| 07:48.58 | Torhal | Cairenn: Is this the incognito freenet porn channel? |
| 07:49.04 | Cairenn | sure |
| 07:49.08 | Torhal | kk |
| 07:49.13 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:49.14 | Wobin | There's a whole page of text here |
| 07:49.19 | Wobin | that doesn't mention porn |
| 07:49.21 | haste | hey Torhal |
| 07:49.26 | Torhal | haste: Yola |
| 07:49.29 | haste | Torhal: porn! |
| 07:49.39 | Wobin | now you've gone and spoiled it, haste |
| 07:49.41 | Torhal | Wobin: Yes, but it was mentioned twice since I last checked here |
| 07:49.50 | Torhal | Thrice. Amended. |
| 07:49.50 | mikma | oh i like that, i put on my robe and wizardhat |
| 07:49.53 | haste | you should see my normal IRC chats |
| 07:49.54 | Wobin | ... you have a ping highlight, don't you? |
| 07:50.11 | Sargeras | http://www.flickr.com/photos/msaleem/3594802055/sizes/o/ |
| 07:50.15 | mikma | haste rating |
| 07:50.17 | haste | we had a discussion the other day about: is it possible to puke without moving? |
| 07:50.19 | Sargeras | somewhat on the topicv |
| 07:50.21 | Torhal | Wobin: You didn't know? In some arbitrary languages, haste == porn. |
| 07:50.22 | Sargeras | -v |
| 07:51.06 | haste | Torhal: oh trust me, in most arbitrary languages haste means much worse things than porn |
| 07:51.24 | Thunder_Child | Sargeras, it was made more amusing with the "Download the large size" link |
| 07:51.30 | Torhal | haste: Worse? As in, being forced to vomit without moving? |
| 07:51.41 | haste | Torhal: not forced, that was just a normal day |
| 07:51.45 | Torhal | Ah |
| 07:51.46 | Sargeras | =D |
| 07:51.50 | haste | it does work also! |
| 07:51.58 | haste | but it requires some hefty control of the throat :P |
| 07:52.09 | Torhal | Indeed! |
| 07:53.21 | haste | so... anyone know how to set the number of desktops on KDE? |
| 07:53.26 | mikma | haste: nsfw http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/captain_picard.gif |
| 07:53.40 | haste | without access to the settings GUI |
| 07:53.46 | haste | I do have a terminal tho'! |
| 07:53.53 | haste | not that I should :3 |
| 07:54.43 | mikma | cairenn: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/latest.php <- why is Objective Announcer listed twice? :D |
| 07:54.55 | Cairenn | that's odd |
| 07:55.07 | mikma | different downloads, too! |
| 07:55.32 | Cairenn | yeah, odd |
| 07:55.48 | mikma | time to do your magiks |
| 07:55.53 | Cairenn | will have to have Dolby look at it tomorrow night when he gets back from E3 |
| 07:56.05 | Cairenn | I don't want to delete either, since I'm not sure what's going on with it |
| 07:56.13 | haste | Cairenn: its located at two categories |
| 07:56.24 | haste | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=182467 |
| 07:56.28 | haste | author has actually uploaded to both |
| 07:56.39 | mikma | ... awesome! |
| 07:56.43 | haste | keeps them both in sync also :p |
| 07:56.44 | mikma | let's do that too |
| 07:57.12 | haste | sounds like a new solution on how you can promote your add-ons! |
| 07:57.20 | mikma | ok, the nelf kitties are really awesome. http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/may/ss4.jpg |
| 07:57.29 | Corrodias | do they have tauren kitties? |
| 07:57.39 | mikma | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/images/druid/ss3.jpg |
| 07:58.01 | Corrodias | how does it choose which one to use, do you know? |
| 07:58.01 | haste | goes and posts oUF under unit mods, group, combat mods, buff/debugg and misc. |
| 07:58.15 | mikma | Here.s a comparative peek at the current look of cat form along with the five new textures, which can be selected by switching hair color in the barber shop. |
| 07:58.25 | Corrodias | ah |
| 07:59.04 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/may/conqvicarious.jpg <- .... christ |
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| 08:04.41 | Wobin | mikma: Have you seen the -new and improved- new cat skins? |
| 08:05.12 | tem | the NE ones are kind of :( |
| 08:05.25 | tem | the tauren cat forms are awesome |
| 08:05.28 | Wobin | http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6708/newnelfcats2.jpg |
| 08:06.27 | mikma | wobin: yeah, i saw them |
| 08:07.12 | Wobin | I'd totally play Scene Kid Cat |
| 08:07.12 | Wobin | Or Drama Club Cat |
| 08:09.25 | Torhal | Wobin: Don't ask tekkub for his versions. |
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| 08:11.02 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDAM5lSPCwk :DDDDDDDDDD |
| 08:11.23 | Cairenn | hehehe, yeah, seen that before, it's really cool |
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| 08:12.51 | Fisker- | old |
| 08:12.52 | Torhal | Cairenn: Have you seen the "WoW Jimmy" ones? |
| 08:13.06 | Cairenn | ummm, don't think so |
| 08:13.14 | Cairenn | don't recognize the name, at least |
| 08:13.38 | Torhal | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUhSjuhQYE |
| 08:14.37 | Corrodias | oh god |
| 08:16.12 | Thunder_Child | yes my child? |
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| 08:22.01 | Torhal | Cairenn: "Because EverQuest sucks!" |
| 08:22.07 | Cairenn | ! |
| 08:22.24 | Torhal | Cairenn: Had you seen that one before? |
| 08:22.30 | Cairenn | nope |
| 08:22.34 | Torhal | Heh |
| 08:22.43 | Torhal | Dude was _into_ the narrative. |
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| 08:31.26 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:31.32 | Fisker- | there's "cheats" for that flash game |
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| 08:41.36 | zenzio | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1190772/What-squeak-Daring-mouse-whos-boss-scares-leopard-steals-lunch.html |
| 08:43.58 | Matsy | Aww |
| 08:44.01 | Matsy | That's cute |
| 08:44.09 | zenzio | love the second picture |
| 08:45.12 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 08:45.19 | Matsy | Hahaha |
| 08:45.48 | Matsy | Beautiful desktop background |
| 08:47.17 | Torhal | COmplete;y awesome. |
| 08:47.31 | Torhal | Despite the fact that I can no longer type. |
| 08:52.54 | Matsy | Does anyone here use Windows 7? |
| 08:53.06 | Matsy | With two screens? |
| 08:53.16 | haste | probably, probably |
| 08:54.37 | Matsy | Okay |
| 08:55.03 | Matsy | You know how you can move a window to the very left of your screen, and it'll take up half of the screen? |
| 08:55.06 | Matsy | And same for the right side |
| 08:57.25 | Matsy | If you have two screens |
| 08:58.03 | Matsy | How does that work? |
| 08:58.08 | Matsy | How can I do that gesture on one screen |
| 08:58.16 | Matsy | Instead of moving it to the very left of the other screen |
| 08:58.35 | Fisker- | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:59.08 | Fisker- | why so haste ? |
| 09:01.33 | Matsy | Oh wow |
| 09:01.36 | Matsy | The battle.net merge is pro |
| 09:02.27 | Fisker- | slaps Matsy around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:02.41 | Matsy | Why :< |
| 09:04.22 | Fisker- | <-evil |
| 09:05.34 | Fisker- | just like the evil haste |
| 09:09.07 | Fisker- | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:09.13 | Fisker- | evil |
| 09:09.15 | Fisker- | EVIL |
| 09:09.18 | Fisker- | !! |
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| 09:15.12 | Torhal | Fisker-: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=279593#post279593 |
| 09:16.53 | Torhal | Fisker-: BTW, the proper way to propogate evil is to start with all lowercase letters and work your way up sentence by sentence. |
| 09:17.31 | Torhal | evil! Evil! EVil! EVIl! EVIL! |
| 09:17.35 | Torhal | And such. |
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| 09:27.10 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: refresh |
| 09:28.55 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17631614296&pageNo=1&sid=1#9 |
| 09:28.57 | Fisker- | oooh snap |
| 09:29.46 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: QFT. |
| 09:30.48 | Torhal | Though, I opted to not use comments in case someone had a sarcasm-aware browser. |
| 09:31.31 | Arrowmaster | i used the comments because it wasnt sarcasm |
| 09:31.38 | Torhal | :D |
| 09:32.16 | Torhal | I complained around a month ago on the grounds of "spam", because kunda updated at least five AddOns on the forums at the same time. |
| 09:32.32 | Arrowmaster | i complained too |
| 09:32.39 | Arrowmaster | but im not a forum mod |
| 09:35.58 | Arrowmaster | can we have something added to the forum login process that requires javascript to be enabled? |
| 09:36.18 | Arrowmaster | then well never have to deal with kunda again |
| 09:36.40 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 09:37.24 | Torhal | Seriously, though. I think one-in-five times I've had to use a captcha to download something from WoWAce. |
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| 09:37.48 | Torhal | And if he's downloading his own addons, there's something wrong. |
| 09:40.09 | Gnarfoz | I've never had to use a captcha |
| 09:40.16 | Gnarfoz | ...I also never had to use the website, really |
| 09:40.21 | Gnarfoz | so where does this happen? xD |
| 09:40.36 | Arrowmaster | on the website to people without flash |
| 09:40.49 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Occasionally, when opting to download an alpha/beta directly from WoWAce. |
| 09:41.03 | Gnarfoz | ...yeah I thought that was a flash applet anyway? |
| 09:41.16 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I have Flash, BTW. I still get it every few downloads. |
| 09:41.52 | Gnarfoz | btw, is it tek's or kunda's shit that's broken? :D |
| 09:41.56 | Torhal | I'm hoping that will be resolved when ckknight launches the new website. |
| 09:41.59 | Gnarfoz | I don't use either just curious ;D |
| 09:42.25 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: I'm inclined to believe tekkub, but I haven't investigated. |
| 09:42.59 | tekkub | it's kunda's |
| 09:43.05 | tekkub | I know what's broken too |
| 09:43.19 | Torhal | tekkub: kunda is broken? |
| 09:43.22 | Torhal | :D |
| 09:43.31 | tekkub | as I said before, if he'd not made it such a bitch in my side to find the old version of his code, I wolda fixed it for him |
| 09:43.48 | tekkub | but now I'm not at all interested in helping :P |
| 09:43.52 | Gnarfoz | how do you need an old version to fix something in the current version? :\ |
| 09:44.07 | tekkub | because the bug report was in the old version |
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| 09:44.21 | Gnarfoz | isn't the solution to tell the user to just fucking update then? :D |
| 09:44.33 | tekkub | so I find the bug in the old version first, then check the new one to see if it's still there :P |
| 09:44.47 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: It's still broken |
| 09:44.47 | tekkub | the bug is still there |
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| 09:44.57 | tekkub | it's a *simple* index a nil object error :) |
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| 09:45.10 | Gnarfoz | I don't get why you'd be inclined to spend the time to find the bug twice, if you had easy access to the code |
| 09:45.23 | Torhal | tekkub: But a captcha ~= simple |
| 09:45.26 | Gnarfoz | (if it's obviously still present in the new version) |
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| 09:45.33 | tekkub | because I don't know if the bug is still there in the new code, or even in the same spot |
| 09:45.48 | Gnarfoz | at least Torhal seems to be certain it's still broken |
| 09:45.49 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 09:45.53 | tekkub | so I go to the source of the error, the old version, and work then work forward :P |
| 09:45.58 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: An explicit line number with the error is likely to be fixed by looking rather than installing. |
| 09:46.09 | tekkub | it's a process that takes all of like 3 minutes under proper versioning |
| 09:46.14 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: what? :> |
| 09:46.20 | Gnarfoz | probably, yeah |
| 09:46.30 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: New version does not have same line numbers as old. |
| 09:46.32 | Gnarfoz | as I said earlier, I don't even get what his problem is :D |
| 09:46.35 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: that still doesnt fix the kunda problem |
| 09:46.52 | tekkub | his problem is extreem paranoia over flash and javascript |
| 09:47.01 | tekkub | I understand not wanting flash, I don't either |
| 09:47.19 | Arrowmaster | too bad you cant disable forum attachment creation per account |
| 09:47.20 | Gnarfoz | (there's no open source incarnation of that, ohhh no. </sarcasm?) |
| 09:47.25 | tekkub | but he's also one of those I MUST NOSCRIPT EVERY PAGE I DON"T TRUST WITH MY LIFE people :P |
| 09:47.40 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: i do that...... |
| 09:47.42 | tekkub | Arrowmaster: I would actually agree there |
| 09:47.46 | Gnarfoz | s/?/>/ |
| 09:47.57 | Torhal | tekkub: And apparently he doesn't trust anyone. I mean...c'mon...WoWAce... |
| 09:48.01 | Arrowmaster | but then i tend to temp allow most pages if i see a reason to |
| 09:48.10 | tekkub | if he doesn't like ace's captcha, just don't use the site for hosting |
| 09:48.30 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: agreed, and that means gtfo of the damn forums too |
| 09:48.36 | Torhal | ONLY DOWNLOAD FROM ATTACHMENT IN FIRST POST! |
| 09:48.39 | Torhal | twitches. |
| 09:48.43 | tekkub | or the other route, use the damn svn but diable packaging |
| 09:48.55 | tekkub | so only authors who know how to use SVN can get it |
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| 09:49.13 | Arrowmaster | or the route of i dont have forum moderator but i have site moderator, i could prevent him from loggin in |
| 09:49.15 | Gnarfoz | or install a fucking alternate flash player |
| 09:49.26 | Gnarfoz | if he's so damn paranoid |
| 09:49.30 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 09:49.32 | tekkub | except you just told us that so we know it was you |
| 09:49.35 | tekkub | arromfail |
| 09:49.40 | tekkub | s/m/w/ |
| 09:49.42 | Arrowmaster | it would be in the logs |
| 09:49.50 | tekkub | pfft, logs |
| 09:49.59 | tekkub | like K is gonna dig through logs |
| 09:50.15 | Gnarfoz | (I still don't get why he himself would be affected by the flash-applet-to-download thingy *at all* - he could just use his working copy o_O) |
| 09:50.20 | Torhal | tekkub: He isn't the only one :P |
| 09:50.33 | tekkub | because he uses other people's addons |
| 09:50.45 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: I think he may also have philosophical reasons. |
| 09:50.49 | tekkub | that he wants to download for ace |
| 09:51.04 | tekkub | but captcha give him finger cancer |
| 09:51.14 | Gnarfoz | download for ace? |
| 09:51.15 | Gnarfoz | what oO |
| 09:51.37 | tekkub | from |
| 09:51.37 | tekkub | fuck you I'll typo all I ant |
| 09:51.37 | tekkub | see? |
| 09:51.44 | Gnarfoz | I'll be confused all I ant, too! |
| 09:51.46 | Torhal | tekkub: You're becoming an ant? |
| 09:51.51 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: \o/ right, fuck him. :P |
| 09:51.51 | Torhal | Ants have no fur! |
| 09:51.53 | tekkub | anyway, he's making a big stink because he can, that's really all it is |
| 09:52.19 | Gnarfoz | he could just install some flash player so he didn't get the captcha. or use... *gasp* curse client :D |
| 09:52.27 | tekkub | for all I know he's the type that isn't happy if he's not making a big scene boycotting something |
| 09:52.37 | Gnarfoz | I remember someone like that... hehe |
| 09:52.44 | tekkub | flash sucks, like massivly |
| 09:53.06 | Torhal | tekkub: He probably lives in a tree, shits in a bucket, and has his buddies offload it via pulley for their crops |
| 09:53.08 | Gnarfoz | oh right, it was YOU! :D |
| 09:53.12 | tekkub | but I'm more than willing to use a captcha because I won't load flash |
| 09:53.23 | Gnarfoz | again, you could use an alternate flash player |
| 09:53.30 | Gnarfoz | or do you oppose the *format* itself |
| 09:53.32 | tekkub | what alternate flash player? |
| 09:53.36 | Arrowmaster | im more than willing to just use flash |
| 09:53.37 | Gnarfoz | Gnash? |
| 09:53.40 | tekkub | the format is proprietary |
| 09:53.41 | Arrowmaster | i need it for my porn |
| 09:53.46 | Gnarfoz | so? there's still alternate players. |
| 09:53.54 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: You're way limited. |
| 09:54.00 | Arrowmaster | no im not |
| 09:54.04 | Gnarfoz | (might be singular, I only know the one off the top of my head.) |
| 09:54.14 | Gnarfoz | tekkub: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
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| 09:54.20 | tekkub | I've only ever *needed* flash for one thing... |
| 09:54.26 | tekkub | Auditorium |
| 09:55.02 | Arrowmaster | i have other sources, but im running out of hard drive space and using flash means no harddrive space usage |
| 09:55.06 | Gnarfoz | anyway, your guilty of the same kind of mentality regarding Flash as he is regarding JS, so off into the same bucket you go :> |
| 09:55.29 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Not so. |
| 09:55.36 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: yes, absolutely. :) |
| 09:55.41 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: kunda refuses to use the captchas. |
| 09:55.42 | tekkub | gnash work in webkit? :P |
| 09:55.46 | tekkub | I don't use FF anymore |
| 09:55.56 | tekkub | if I did I'd just be using flashblock |
| 09:56.07 | Gnarfoz | tekkub: "has support for konqueror", not sure if webkit/khtml is merged enough or whatever. webkit is just a rendering engine |
| 09:56.28 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: because they're 3rd party and his noscript blocks them, not because they're captchas. |
| 09:56.49 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Konquorer is the de-facto KDE browser. KDE is the "K" Desktop Environment for Linux. |
| 09:56.57 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: thanks capt. obvious :P |
| 09:57.04 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: :P |
| 09:57.11 | Torhal | I was trying to be informative :P |
| 09:57.16 | tekkub | anyway.... |
| 09:57.29 | tekkub | life without flash has been woderful for me :P |
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| 09:57.48 | tekkub | what was the point of all of this? |
| 09:57.58 | Gnarfoz | yeah, minorities! \o/ fight teh powah! :D |
| 09:58.03 | Torhal | tekkub: Are you sure it's without "Flash", and not without "FireFox"? |
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| 09:58.17 | Gnarfoz | I don't know, we were probably all bored enough to care |
| 09:58.20 | tekkub | without flash |
| 09:58.25 | Torhal | tekkub: The point of all of this was - kunda is a douche for using the forums for updates. |
| 09:58.32 | tekkub | I dropped flash before I moved to chrome |
| 09:58.39 | tekkub | yes, yes he is |
| 09:59.10 | tekkub | and he's fucking himself out of help by making shit harder on everyone else, because he makes life hard on himself by refusing to use a captcha |
| 09:59.22 | tekkub | when it was put in place for a very good reason |
| 09:59.30 | Gnarfoz | I should start noting down weird Blizz Authenticator numbers. :> |
| 09:59.44 | tekkub | I see patterns in mine all the time |
| 09:59.59 | tekkub | tonight everything added up to 6's |
| 10:00.08 | tekkub | I think it was 522441 |
| 10:00.15 | Torhal | tekkub: That's because they replaced the interns with the custodians. |
| 10:00.19 | ZorbaTHut | I got 001000 a while back |
| 10:00.32 | tekkub | 134567 didn't inspire confidence |
| 10:06.12 | Gnarfoz | my new favourite: /run SendChatMessage((GetSpellLink(65311)),"GUILD") |
| 10:06.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 10:07.45 | Arrowmaster | what was that silly perl command ackis uses? |
| 10:07.56 | Arrowmaster | ~wowspell 65311 |
| 10:07.57 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=65311 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=65311 |
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| 10:21.38 | Arrowmaster | if i could edit the spamassassin config on the server that handles my email i think i would add a new rule trashing everything containing a .cn url |
| 10:24.05 | Torhal | ...and this trumps a local filter how? |
| 10:25.03 | Adys | so |
| 10:25.05 | Adys | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/05/0517231/Google-Announces-Chrome-For-Mac-and-Linux-Dev-Builds?from=rss |
| 10:25.10 | Adys | for what its worth |
| 10:26.55 | Torhal | Adys: Inspirational...but currently mostly worthless. |
| 10:27.29 | Adys | Why? |
| 10:28.02 | Torhal | From the description. Though, I admit, I have yet to download it. |
| 10:28.14 | Adys | I use it daily |
| 10:28.19 | Adys | now its just official |
| 10:28.25 | Torhal | Hmm |
| 10:28.54 | haste | it's been working on linux for quite some time now |
| 10:29.10 | haste | the first versions had some UI issues tho', but other than that it was pretty solid |
| 10:29.16 | Adys | Aye |
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| 10:29.27 | Adys | basically I can do 90% of what I do in a browser: check gmail, check google reader, browse random sites and test local stuff |
| 10:29.32 | Adys | the last 10% involves flash |
| 10:29.47 | Torhal | I'll definitely give it a go, then |
| 10:30.06 | Torhal | FF has, lately, become its own antithesis. |
| 10:30.35 | Adys | yea |
| 10:31.55 | Torhal | Shit. |
| 10:32.05 | Torhal | This is even snappier than it is on Windows. |
| 10:32.24 | Torhal | Then again, last time I used Windows was on a circa-2003 machine. |
| 10:32.30 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-06-04-n80.html :D |
| 10:33.17 | Torhal | Adys: Hah |
| 10:34.03 | Wobin | although... |
| 10:34.13 | Wobin | FF3.5 behaves better for me than Chrome2 |
| 10:34.23 | Adys | doesnt here |
| 10:34.24 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-06-04-n57.html |
| 10:34.27 | Wobin | I'm not sure what it was with C2, but it kept disconnecting me from WoW |
| 10:34.30 | Adys | I love that concept |
| 10:34.37 | Adys | keep making addon addons |
| 10:37.56 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz ;_; |
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| 10:53.21 | Wobin | ugh |
| 10:53.29 | Wobin | what do stoneguard bands DE into? |
| 10:53.41 | Wobin | my internet connection is giving me the shits |
| 10:57.32 | Aelobin | infinite: 200%, greater cosmic: 75% |
| 10:59.18 | Wobin | ta |
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| 11:00.43 | Wobin | http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/090605.html |
| 11:00.44 | Wobin | heheh |
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| 12:39.00 | Arrowmaster | so somehow i bumped the power button on my monitor and it turned off, like barely touched and not what should have been enough to turn it off |
| 12:39.11 | Arrowmaster | and when i turned it back on my computer rebooted |
| 12:39.33 | Arrowmaster | i have no idea why |
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| 12:47.39 | Arrowmaster | never had any issue before with the PSU |
| 12:48.09 | Arrowmaster | and my monitor isnt connected to my PSU |
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| 13:16.58 | haste | Aelobin: probably 77 or so |
| 13:17.44 | Arrowmaster | there is not afaik |
| 13:19.23 | sacarasc | You can't take them at level 20. |
| 13:19.25 | sacarasc | I tried. |
| 13:19.29 | Aelobin | hmm ok |
| 13:19.43 | sacarasc | Level 20, 1 fishing skill. |
| 13:19.49 | Aelobin | was looking at those BoP blue fishing poles xD |
| 13:20.02 | Aelobin | 169dps +wotlk enchants |
| 13:20.20 | sacarasc | I thought they had their dps reduced now? |
| 13:20.31 | Aelobin | no idea :P just on teh interwebz |
| 13:21.05 | Aelobin | guessing they dont count as a "melee weapon" though, so couldnt do special moves |
| 13:21.52 | sacarasc | And you can't actually enchant fishing poles as weapons. |
| 13:22.22 | Arrowmaster | i think shamans can put weapon buffs on them |
| 13:22.31 | theorbtwo | 169dps from a FISHING POLE? |
| 13:22.34 | theorbtwo | boggles. |
| 13:22.47 | Aelobin | xD |
| 13:22.59 | Arrowmaster | but yeah they dont count as melee weapons so no specials |
| 13:23.14 | theorbtwo | IIRC, that's more then the sum of my two one-handed swords. |
| 13:23.29 | Arrowmaster | my fishing pole is only 17.5 dps |
| 13:23.35 | Aelobin | would still annihilate 10-19 bg if the quest was obtainable at that lvl :p |
| 13:23.40 | Aelobin | without specials |
| 13:23.50 | Arrowmaster | and its the best fishing pole in the game |
| 13:24.13 | Aelobin | could macro in /equip /cast /equip though? =o |
| 13:24.17 | Aelobin | for specials |
| 13:24.22 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 13:24.25 | Aelobin | oh :< |
| 13:24.29 | sacarasc | Can't put windfury weapon on Nat's Lucky Fishing Pole, at least. |
| 13:24.41 | Arrowmaster | you cant? |
| 13:24.53 | Arrowmaster | you used to be able to put it on the lvl 44 horde one |
| 13:25.29 | sacarasc | "That item is not a valid target" |
| 13:29.04 | foxlit | lua> string.char(39) |
| 13:29.05 | lua_bot | foxlit: ' |
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| 13:30.27 | airtonix | seen the legendary fishing pole? (inb4 gm) |
| 13:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 13:32.51 | Kraps | omg i fucking hate bg afkers |
| 13:36.03 | airtonix | only place you can dev raid frames |
| 13:36.28 | airtonix | and yess 100% of those afker's are setting up ouf |
| 13:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | It is most certainly NOT the only way to set up raid frames, airtonix, it's just the most simple. |
| 13:40.05 | Lukian | "set up / configuration mode"? |
| 13:40.07 | Lukian | :/ |
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| 13:49.08 | bluspacetest | O_O |
| 13:49.18 | bluspacetest | whats d-lining mean ? |
| 13:49.45 | Lopeppeppy | kicked right the heck off for being bad. K-lining is worse. |
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| 13:55.47 | Arrowmaster | d-line is an ip mask ban without a time limit, k-line is a hostmask ban with a time limit |
| 13:55.51 | Arrowmaster | d-line is worse |
| 13:56.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh. /files that info away, dline is worse than kline |
| 13:56.50 | Arrowmaster | dline is rare to happen |
| 13:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen klines in here from Freenode staff, when we were having such serious spam issues. |
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| 13:58.26 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:01.51 | Matsy | Morning |
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| 14:09.12 | Kraps | the enchanting rng is a sick joke |
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| 14:28.51 | Aelobin | disenchanting? |
| 14:30.27 | Kraps | no, the the times/number of mats you need to reach a level |
| 14:30.37 | Shirik|Ghost | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:30.50 | Shirik|Ghost | Arrowmaster: Isn't that a g-line |
| 14:30.58 | Shirik|Ghost | oh no g-line is entire network |
| 14:31.28 | Arrowmaster | g-line isnt a real ircd.conf line |
| 14:31.35 | Shirik|Ghost | ha |
| 14:31.53 | Arrowmaster | but just doing k-line on all servers in the entire network at once |
| 14:31.58 | Shirik|Ghost | it's a combination of k-line on all servers? :) |
| 14:32.02 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. How's the internship treating you? |
| 14:32.58 | kneeki | Oh wow |
| 14:33.02 | kneeki | That was foolish of me |
| 14:33.03 | Arrowmaster | most likely whenever you see a k-line happen on freenode its really a g-line, doesnt make much sense to only ban from one server |
| 14:33.10 | Shirik|Ghost | not bad Lopeppeppy |
| 14:33.13 | Matsy | Hmm |
| 14:33.20 | kneeki | While browsing the forums I manage, I was double checking permissions... |
| 14:33.38 | Matsy | I should remove the 'mats' highlight on a WoW-related channel |
| 14:33.46 | kneeki | Thinking to myself, "Hey, self, Public doesn't need to 'read' or 'execute', remove that |
| 14:33.49 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.17 | Shirik|Ghost | wtf |
| 14:34.20 | Shirik|Ghost | wikipedia's d-line page |
| 14:34.25 | Shirik|Ghost | check out where it goes |
| 14:34.30 | Shirik|Ghost | ~wiki d-line |
| 14:35.36 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D-line&action=history |
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| 14:38.17 | foxlit | The flame test for sodium displays a brilliantly bright yellow emission due to the so called "sodium D-lines" at 588.9950 and 589.5924 nanometers. |
| 14:39.38 | Shirik|Ghost | it would be nice if they explained what a "sodium D-line" was |
| 14:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds painful. |
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| 14:44.18 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.50 | kneeki | lol perfect |
| 14:46.25 | kneeki | chmod 775 is fine for the entire forum directory right? every folder, subfolder, and file within |
| 14:46.25 | Shirik|Ghost | ~stab foxlit |
| 14:46.26 | purl | ACTION runs at foxlit with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 14:46.50 | Shirik|Ghost | kneeki: Why do you need 775? |
| 14:47.00 | Shirik|Ghost | and not necessarily |
| 14:47.22 | kneeki | Well, I was having issues performing an update to SMF, saying it could not write to the 'packages' folder |
| 14:47.41 | Shirik|Ghost | probably a good thing |
| 14:47.42 | kneeki | But, after chmod to 775 on everything, I get a wonderful 500 internal server error |
| 14:47.51 | Shirik|Ghost | so check your logs |
| 14:47.51 | kneeki | http://www.predatory-guild.net/index.php |
| 14:48.40 | Shirik|Ghost | I disagree with the server having write access to the files |
| 14:48.41 | Shirik|Ghost | but that's me |
| 14:48.43 | kneeki | hmm |
| 14:48.52 | kneeki | it looks like Group write access may be fubaring it all up |
| 14:49.01 | Shirik|Ghost | that doesn't make much sense |
| 14:49.22 | kneeki | [Fri Jun 05 10:47:59 2009] [error] [client 97.60.52.34] SoftException in Application.cpp:252: File "/home/geekbock/public_html/forums/index.php" is writeable by group |
| 14:49.31 | Shirik|Ghost | rofl |
| 14:49.39 | Shirik|Ghost | wtf are you running |
| 14:50.01 | Shirik|Ghost | is that smf doing that? |
| 14:50.04 | Shirik|Ghost | That's pretty pathetic |
| 14:50.13 | kneeki | Nah, I did it using an FTP client |
| 14:50.15 | Shirik|Ghost | I didn't like smf before, but there's no reason to do that |
| 14:51.11 | kneeki | I'm doing chmod 755 now on the entire forum directory |
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| 14:51.14 | Shirik|Ghost | I checked my www folder, it's 755 |
| 14:51.18 | kneeki | see if that makes any difference |
| 14:51.19 | Shirik|Ghost | with root as the owner :P |
| 14:51.25 | Shirik|Ghost | that's probably wrong but oh well |
| 14:51.26 | Shirik|Ghost | gotta go |
| 14:51.31 | kneeki | lol |
| 14:51.33 | kneeki | later mang |
| 14:51.51 | Fisker- | YOU! |
| 14:51.57 | Fisker- | This is it Shirik|Ghost |
| 14:52.05 | Fisker- | Tell me how to make my balls bigger |
| 14:52.09 | Fisker- | or suffer the consequences :3 |
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| 15:01.05 | kneeki | yay, changing /forums/ to chmod 775 did the trick |
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| 15:19.43 | Shirik | rawr |
| 15:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 15:21.03 | Osstia | grr |
| 15:21.20 | AckisWork | meow |
| 15:21.26 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ever figure out your dead cat5 dsl line? |
| 15:21.29 | Lopeppeppy | Purr. *wink* |
| 15:22.21 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: my kitty was pouncing everything this morning!!! |
| 15:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | Kittens do that, dear. |
| 15:23.45 | Lopeppeppy | Make sure to give it toys, don't let it pounce your hands, or it will grow up thinking humans are okay to scratch. |
| 15:24.32 | AckisWork | it's teeth are like needles |
| 15:24.33 | AckisWork | it's fun |
| 15:24.40 | AckisWork | except when it bites my toe |
| 15:24.49 | AckisWork | (i has no toenails on my two big toes) |
| 15:25.15 | Arrowmaster | meh thats not that weird |
| 15:25.27 | Arrowmaster | i only have half a thumb nail on my left thumb |
| 15:25.30 | AckisWork | want to see pics? |
| 15:25.32 | AckisWork | :D |
| 15:25.41 | AckisWork | everytime I get injured I take pictures it seems |
| 15:26.00 | AckisWork | I even have a pics of an attempt to see my wisdom teeth damage |
| 15:26.12 | Arrowmaster | but thats because i broke it badly and years later my thumbnail still hasnt fully healed |
| 15:26.20 | AckisWork | ah |
| 15:26.51 | Arrowmaster | splitting your thumbnail in half down the center hurts |
| 15:26.58 | AckisWork | aye |
| 15:27.03 | AckisWork | it's not fun |
| 15:29.48 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 15:29.58 | nicoli_s | anyone here gonna be playing aion today? |
| 15:30.06 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 15:30.19 | Arrowmaster | you can play it today? |
| 15:30.30 | nicoli_s | yeah, first beta event |
| 15:30.42 | Arrowmaster | wonder if my computer will run it |
| 15:31.19 | zenzelezz | "Could a Meteor Have Brought Down Air France 447?"... now that would make people fear "shooting stars" |
| 15:32.31 | nicoli_s | arrowmaster, it runs the same engine as far cry 2 |
| 15:32.41 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Nope |
| 15:32.41 | nicoli_s | or maybe far cry 1 i forget |
| 15:32.47 | Shirik | guess we'll find out tuesday |
| 15:32.56 | Arrowmaster | 0 keys left |
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| 15:33.32 | Arrowmaster | wow another preorder now and get in the beta thing, every one of those ive done has turned out horrible |
| 15:33.54 | AckisWork | link for aion pre-order stuff? |
| 15:34.14 | Arrowmaster | i preordered tabula rasa, i never actually purchased the game when it was released because i knew it was fucking horrible |
| 15:34.35 | AckisWork | there were about 50 CE's at a local Future Shop about 2 months after the game closed |
| 15:35.12 | nicoli_s | well hopefully aion wont ebnd up like that |
| 15:35.19 | nicoli_s | its alot more polished than tabula rasa |
| 15:36.15 | Arrowmaster | i preordered guild wars for the beta events, i stoped playing the game 2 weeks after launch though because everything was about pvp |
| 15:36.30 | AckisWork | WTS paperclick http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200349450555&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:1123 |
| 15:36.36 | AckisWork | fuck i can't type |
| 15:37.42 | nicoli_s | i was about the same for guild wars, i played the PvE till it got boring and that lasted a week or two max |
| 15:37.47 | Aelobin | can you just buy the paperclip and not the free blizzcon bit? :P |
| 15:38.25 | AckisWork | i dunno but it's lame :P |
| 15:38.41 | Arrowmaster | nicoli_s: in 2 weeks i had a lvl 20 mesmer with every elite mesmer skill in the game at that time |
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| 15:40.04 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 15:40.10 | mikma | gas |
| 15:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
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| 15:43.22 | _rane | not exactly wow ui dev related questio but shouldn't if UnitIsFriend("player", "target") works as I expect it to work? i.e. UnitIsFriend evaluates to true or false conditionally |
| 15:44.36 | _rane | christ, forgot ´then´ :< Lua is too ruby-like |
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| 15:45.06 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, cogwheel. |
| 15:45.21 | cogwheel | waves |
| 15:45.33 | AckisWork | OG |
| 15:45.35 | AckisWork | err |
| 15:45.35 | AckisWork | OMG |
| 15:45.36 | AckisWork | ahhh |
| 15:45.39 | AckisWork | PANIC |
| 15:45.43 | AckisWork | ~hug cogwheel |
| 15:45.43 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on cogwheel and suddenly hugs cogwheel tightly |
| 15:45.47 | AckisWork | hi sweety |
| 15:45.52 | cogwheel | *kiss* |
| 15:46.00 | AckisWork | *snog* |
| 15:46.00 | Elkano | hmm... GuildWars... I think I should have my 4 year pet by now... *check* |
| 15:46.14 | Primer | Started a new job and I haven't played all week |
| 15:46.16 | Fisker- | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:46.27 | Primer | My weekly raid is tonight and I'm not sure I'll have the energy to go |
| 15:46.44 | Fisker- | sleep |
| 15:47.28 | Arrowmaster | Elkano: good point, the game was released sometime in the spring, if i still had it installed i would check too |
| 15:47.51 | cogwheel | my poor goggie gets to play conehead for a couple weeks |
| 15:48.46 | cogwheel | he thinks his stiches are full of nom |
| 15:48.57 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/593/ - Randall knocks it out of the park again... |
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| 15:49.11 | Lunessa | O hai cog. |
| 15:49.16 | cogwheel | o hai! |
| 15:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, conehead doggie is gonna get the crap kicked out of him by the cat! |
| 15:50.27 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:50.28 | alestane | Well hello there stranger! |
| 15:50.37 | nicoli_s | i always feel bad for my kitty when we have to put the cone on her |
| 15:51.37 | Lunessa | It's Goggie, the Victorian. He shall recite for us the lyrical stylings of The Bard in the original Goggie. |
| 15:51.44 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon ticket contests: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23763 & http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ | Minion: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24025 | "If you ask for a porcupine, you can't really get pissed off that you didn't get a banana." - Sig line by Taintedbeef |
| 15:52.18 | alestane | Cairenn: I've always thought that one was great. |
| 15:52.22 | Elkano | Arrowmaster, I was right :) |
| 15:52.24 | Cide | amagad hi cogwheel |
| 15:52.40 | Arrowmaster | Elkano? |
| 15:52.54 | cogwheel | Cide: amagad too! |
| 15:53.05 | Cairenn | hey cogwheel! how goes? |
| 15:53.25 | cogwheel | wishing i was home with my new GPU ;) |
| 15:53.27 | Elkano | now I have Jade Armor, Harpy Ranger, Cloudtouched Simian and Quetzal Sly :) |
| 15:53.54 | Arrowmaster | i have like 4 chars that are 4 years old |
| 15:54.05 | Arrowmaster | wonder what all i have |
| 15:54.33 | Arrowmaster | you know i just remembered, i think i have some crafting material in guildwars that doesnt drop anymore |
| 15:57.24 | Elkano | well, I hardly played the game, my highest PvE-Char was lvl 15 or so... but I think I had the best bow that was available at that time :) |
| 15:57.31 | AckisWork | ANTI FLAME BANANAS!!!!!!! http://wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=141332&postcount=2 |
| 16:00.09 | alestane | More power to the bananas. |
| 16:01.57 | msou| | From where paladins can learn shield |
| 16:03.26 | msou| | train even |
| 16:04.21 | alestane | Why didn't anyone tell me it was National Doughnut Day? |
| 16:04.54 | AckisWork | we were eating doughnuts |
| 16:07.06 | Fisker- | I was eating AckisWork's mom |
| 16:07.31 | AckisWork | got pics? |
| 16:07.39 | Fisker- | nope |
| 16:07.41 | nicoli_s | its donut day? |
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| 16:07.47 | nicoli_s | i wants some donuts |
| 16:07.54 | cogwheel | donut remind me |
| 16:08.44 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: pokies |
| 16:12.01 | Fisker- | hey Gnarfoz |
| 16:12.03 | Fisker- | i got pwnt :( |
| 16:12.18 | Gnarfoz | by who? |
| 16:12.23 | AckisWork | me |
| 16:12.49 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=9521443152&sid=1&pageNo=1#8 |
| 16:13.31 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: I find that hard to believe, somehow |
| 16:14.14 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple suck it. End of story. |
| 16:17.44 | alestane | Some people are just never happy: "They practically killed Starcraft. This cheap cartoony crap does not deserve to be called Starcraft. All they had to do was continue the story, update the graphics (not the overloaded colourfull shit that it is now), update the game's music and maybe some minor units's modification (like in Broodwar compared to Starcraft)." |
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| 16:18.06 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, bite me, asshat. So don't play if you don't like it. Rawr. |
| 16:19.17 | Shirik | o.o |
| 16:19.27 | alestane | I did like the Diablo III Rainbows and Unicorns shirt last BlizzCon. |
| 16:19.55 | Fisker- | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:20.11 | nicoli_s | is loving the 4.0 curse client |
| 16:20.15 | Lopeppeppy | I liked the draeni chick. |
| 16:20.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, was that out loud? |
| 16:20.30 | AckisWork | which sucks more: diablo or starcraft? |
| 16:20.37 | Matsy | Starcraft |
| 16:20.44 | nicoli_s | they both dont suck at all |
| 16:20.52 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: There were several. |
| 16:20.56 | AckisWork | I think diablo sucks more |
| 16:21.27 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz ? |
| 16:21.31 | dardack | sigh i'm almost at the point i only have less-rabi left |
| 16:21.39 | dardack | just shoot me with that one plz |
| 16:22.20 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: DamnMounts seems to have trouble with the dual spec auto-swapping of bars :\ |
| 16:22.42 | Shadowed | yea I know, don't really want to spend time fixing it right now thought |
| 16:22.43 | Lopeppeppy | I know, alestane, I'm so lucky! |
| 16:22.46 | Shadowed | haveother things I care more about |
| 16:22.47 | Gnarfoz | I continually end up with the "Fly" macro in no-fly zones and the other way around |
| 16:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | Diablo sucks more. |
| 16:22.52 | Gnarfoz | okay :) |
| 16:23.33 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: when will we, though? :< |
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| 16:25.42 | dardack | Gnarfoz: if you want you can check out mountrandommount of mine, just only select 1 land/1 flying and than set a keybinding |
| 16:26.13 | dardack | it correctly determines where to use which, and karusu' landing also |
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| 16:27.23 | Lunessa | needs a Draenei chick at home, yes indeedy. |
| 16:27.28 | dardack | i'm seriously hating less-rabi right now, guess i'll try again tonight |
| 16:27.36 | Fisker- | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=17616152945&sid=3000 <-wut |
| 16:27.41 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:27.43 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 16:27.45 | Fisker- | you promised me |
| 16:28.10 | Fisker- | nicoli_s beta or something? |
| 16:30.02 | nicoli_s | not yet fisker |
| 16:30.12 | nicoli_s | gnarfoz: not sure |
| 16:36.31 | Fisker- | then i hate you |
| 16:37.54 | nicoli_s | why? i know we plan on giving prem early access so youll be first :) |
| 16:38.43 | Xinhuan | keep me updated |
| 16:38.57 | jnwhiteh | *sigH8 |
| 16:38.58 | jnwhiteh | ding 80 |
| 16:39.00 | jnwhiteh | now i need to respec |
| 16:39.03 | Fisker- | no |
| 16:39.09 | Fisker- | You need to get a new keyboard |
| 16:39.14 | Fisker- | or a new pair of hands |
| 16:39.53 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:39.54 | jnwhiteh | maybe both |
| 16:39.57 | jnwhiteh | good idea Fisker- |
| 16:40.01 | Fisker- | :3 |
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| 16:46.12 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:46.15 | jnwhiteh | 5k nourish |
| 16:46.17 | jnwhiteh | how sad =/ |
| 16:47.01 | jnwhiteh | so do you replace healing touch with nourish? |
| 16:47.03 | jnwhiteh | i suspect no |
| 16:47.03 | Fisker- | yo momma :3 |
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| 16:54.34 | jnwhiteh | anyone pvp on a resto druid? |
| 16:54.39 | jnwhiteh | i.e. should i get glyph of barkskin? |
| 16:54.42 | jnwhiteh | seems like i should |
| 16:58.07 | airtonix | so when you are using decursive is one expected to aim for the tiny little sqaures and click on them to effect a debuff removal? |
| 16:58.30 | Shefki | jnwhiteh: Yes you should. :) |
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| 16:58.40 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 16:59.16 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix, yes. |
| 16:59.50 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy, no other way to do it? |
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| 17:01.40 | jnwhiteh | Shefki: any pointers to a nice pvp resto spec, and pve/duo/grinding/pvp balance spec? |
| 17:01.45 | kneeki | Uggghhh! |
| 17:01.52 | kneeki | Upgrading forums is NEVER an easy task |
| 17:02.05 | airtonix | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/180039/screenshots/raid-party-frames-showing-removable-debuffs.jpg |
| 17:02.10 | kneeki | I think it's never worth it to even try. Just reinstall the latest =\ |
| 17:04.20 | ArrowmasterClass | hmmm pizza |
| 17:05.35 | jnwhiteh | isn't there a website that tells you what the more popular specs are? |
| 17:05.43 | Fisker- | yes |
| 17:05.54 | jnwhiteh | donde where is it? |
| 17:05.54 | Lopeppeppy | Elitist Jerks I would assume |
| 17:06.01 | jnwhiteh | nah, there was somethign that pulls it from the armory i think |
| 17:06.10 | Fisker- | You are correct |
| 17:06.15 | ArrowmasterClass | there was one for arena teams |
| 17:06.20 | Lopeppeppy | That shows you "popular" without explaining why it's popular or what to do with it! |
| 17:06.26 | ArrowmasterClass | but im guessing it might be kinda broken now with dual specs |
| 17:06.28 | jnwhiteh | well, i know my class =) |
| 17:06.41 | jnwhiteh | http://www.talentchic.com/ |
| 17:06.58 | jnwhiteh | my google-fu is geat |
| 17:07.01 | Fisker- | no |
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| 17:07.12 | Fisker- | Already found it 2 minutes ag |
| 17:07.13 | Fisker- | ago |
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| 17:13.46 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VG0uZZf0IubuxVuAusVo looks like a solid bet |
| 17:15.31 | Fisker- | no |
| 17:15.40 | Fisker- | you should put glyphs in |
| 17:16.45 | jnwhiteh | psh |
| 17:17.42 | mikma | smite the troll |
| 17:18.35 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VG0uZZf0IubuxVuAusVo:jkLzMV |
| 17:18.36 | jnwhiteh | better |
| 17:18.38 | jnwhiteh | beyatch? |
| 17:19.50 | Fisker- | i was trollin |
| 17:19.52 | foxlit | what, no aquatic form glyph? |
| 17:20.06 | Fisker- | gotta practice for sunday |
| 17:20.08 | Fisker- | ^^ foxlit |
| 17:20.11 | Fisker- | op in pvp |
| 17:21.55 | jnwhiteh | srsly |
| 17:22.00 | jnwhiteh | no one is angrier than the angry seal |
| 17:25.17 | alestane | brb |
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| 17:36.19 | jnwhiteh | 7200 nourish |
| 17:36.21 | jnwhiteh | much better |
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| 17:45.32 | airtonix | so is it possible to make the littel tiny sqaures decursive produces 'larger' ? |
| 17:46.25 | Lopeppeppy | Scale decursive larger? |
| 17:46.38 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 17:47.07 | AnduinLothar | right click the draggy thing, some menu, scale |
| 17:47.20 | AnduinLothar | never remember what they're called |
| 17:47.21 | airtonix | so if someone already had click casting (like clique) and had raid frames that already changed colour on debuffs (like grid) why would they want decursive? |
| 17:47.42 | AnduinLothar | you wouldn't |
| 17:48.59 | airtonix | i frequently come across people that use grid and yet insist they absolutely must have this 'extra set of raid frames' that they then have to aim for like a fighter pilot |
| 17:49.23 | airtonix | no need to cook darling 'i have mc donalds' |
| 17:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn, must go sheeple-ing! |
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| 17:50.11 | Thunder_Child | i hate it when wow makes me restart just to play |
| 17:50.40 | Fisker- | farts |
| 17:51.14 | cogwheel | lights incense |
| 17:51.48 | Fisker- | farts towards cogwheel and incinerates him |
| 17:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa |
| 17:52.02 | cogwheel | sticks insense up Fisker-'s arse and lights it |
| 17:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | WHO REVIVED YOU |
| 17:52.42 | cogwheel | no one... still just a ghost ;) |
| 17:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 17:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough |
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| 17:53.15 | cogwheel | actually just cancelled my sub... though it wasn't nearly as satisfying as i thought it would be since i still have 3 months left >< |
| 17:53.30 | Lunessa | Alas, poor cogwheel. I knew him ScytheBlade1, a gnome of infinite jest. |
| 17:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:54.26 | Lunessa | The casting choices on that line are pretty spooky - SBO as Horatio. |
| 17:55.09 | Fisker- | why would you do such a thing cogwheel ? |
| 17:55.25 | cogwheel | cuz wow sux!!!! |
| 17:55.28 | cogwheel | ducks |
| 17:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:56.38 | cogwheel | ask Lunessa... i was hardly around even before the ui policy fiasco... |
| 17:56.44 | cogwheel | (in-game, anyway) |
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| 17:58.47 | [Liquidor] | cmd to toggle cartographer? |
| 17:58.52 | [Liquidor] | slashcmd* |
| 17:59.17 | Thunder_Child | /cart |
| 18:01.27 | Lunessa | cogwheel doesn't play much anymore. Other things are more interesting... And he has a life. |
| 18:03.27 | cogwheel | ungh don't remind me >< |
| 18:03.36 | Thunder_Child | ~remind cogwheel |
| 18:03.42 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 18:04.16 | Lunessa | Hey cog, I need a life but every time I go to get one, they're all sold out. |
| 18:04.44 | cogwheel | you can have the vet bills and mortgage payments part of my life.... |
| 18:08.33 | Fisker- | ~vs cogwheel Fisker- |
| 18:08.34 | purl | in a one on one showdown, everyone wins. |
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| 18:08.46 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 18:08.54 | Seerah | http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5017564/13347474 |
| 18:08.59 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or is there no gui way to configure the look of grid? |
| 18:09.47 | Dagmar | It's a grid isn't it? |
| 18:09.49 | Shadowed | Texture question thats been bugging me for a while :<, http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_060309_231654.jpg top left on Bardon (and some of the raid frames in the left/center as well), what causes the texture to become distorted like that? |
| 18:10.13 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, and? |
| 18:10.31 | Seerah | Shadowed: using SetTexCoord? |
| 18:10.41 | Shadowed | Seerah no I'm not, all I'm calling is SetTexture |
| 18:11.11 | Seerah | dunno then..... |
| 18:11.16 | Dagmar | I guess I had a different idea of what grid was for |
| 18:11.18 | Shadowed | http://shadowed.pastey.net/115452 |
| 18:11.26 | Shadowed | yea, kind of clueless why it happens |
| 18:11.35 | Dagmar | At least you can make PitBull4 look just like it without much trouble |
| 18:11.59 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, define 'look' |
| 18:12.05 | Seerah | TC: try Niagara? |
| 18:12.21 | Thunder_Child | i rather liked http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/may/conqvicarious.jpg the look of grid in that |
| 18:12.53 | Shadowed | why not jusdt use Grid? :pp |
| 18:13.04 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, tried /grid ? |
| 18:13.07 | Shadowed | and Grid has a GUI config by default |
| 18:13.13 | Shadowed | it's /grid config or something like that |
| 18:13.14 | Thunder_Child | airtonix, yep |
| 18:13.21 | airtonix | ^ |
| 18:13.23 | Thunder_Child | but for visuals |
| 18:13.27 | Thunder_Child | not for* |
| 18:13.29 | airtonix | textures? |
| 18:13.34 | Shadowed | yea thats texture most likely |
| 18:13.43 | airtonix | you have sharedMedia ? |
| 18:13.48 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 18:13.57 | Dagmar | If you're sure that's grid |
| 18:14.05 | airtonix | should be option to set texture per frame/border/ and background etc |
| 18:14.08 | Thunder_Child | it has the corner markings |
| 18:14.18 | airtonix | minimap icon |
| 18:14.18 | Seerah | Dagmar: it's grid. it has the icon on the minimap |
| 18:14.39 | Thunder_Child | airtonix, if there is i can not find it |
| 18:14.58 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, corner dots dont = grid : http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/180039/screenshots/raid-party-frames-showing-removable-debuffs.jpg |
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| 18:43.05 | Lunessa | airtonix: MAOR DOTS! |
| 18:46.52 | Dagmar | s/MAOR/MOAR/; Like... http://www.geargeek.net/images/moar-cat.jpg |
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| 18:48.14 | squidbear | Hello |
| 18:50.55 | squidbear | I'm trying to make a tooltip replacement/modification addon, but I'm wondering if my method of doing it is the best or if there is a better way to do it. In addition, I get an error when I hover over -unitframes- but it works fine hovering over all other units/objects in the game world. Here's my code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115457 |
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| 18:52.31 | kneeki | squidbear: What's the error? |
| 18:53.13 | squidbear | p.lua:29: bad argument #2 to 'format' (string expected, got nil) |
| 18:54.04 | kneeki | try changing local unit = "mouseover" to local unit = "mouseover" or "" |
| 18:54.13 | kneeki | so, add "" to the end |
| 18:54.20 | kneeki | or "" |
| 18:54.23 | kneeki | rather |
| 18:55.01 | kneeki | also, in your classification code, use if-elseif-end |
| 18:55.05 | kneeki | instead of what you're doing now |
| 18:55.10 | squidbear | ok |
| 18:55.35 | AnduinLothar | uh |
| 18:55.52 | AnduinLothar | local unit = "mouseover" or "" will always return "mouseover" |
| 18:56.15 | kneeki | yeah true |
| 18:56.30 | kneeki | but I don't think his error is referring to the correct line in the code he linked either |
| 18:56.44 | kneeki | link all your code, or what #29 is in your lua file |
| 18:56.47 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 18:56.55 | AnduinLothar | dont add or "" :P |
| 18:57.18 | AnduinLothar | it's a format error, so obviosuly it happened ona format line |
| 18:57.21 | squidbear | Actually....I think I mistyped the line number (I was typing it from memory) |
| 18:57.25 | kneeki | Aye |
| 18:57.33 | AnduinLothar | and it's not a concat error so you can rule out those |
| 18:57.33 | squidbear | There error is on #23 |
| 18:57.44 | squidbear | Apparently name = nil |
| 18:57.47 | kneeki | yup |
| 18:57.49 | squidbear | when I hover over unitframe |
| 18:58.01 | AnduinLothar | so UnitName(unit) is nil |
| 18:58.17 | kneeki | if UnitName(unit) == nil then return end |
| 18:58.25 | kneeki | then your tooltip will do nothing, if it's over a frame |
| 18:58.26 | AnduinLothar | pretty much |
| 18:58.40 | kneeki | well, not only if it's over a frame |
| 18:58.50 | kneeki | but every time UnitName() returns a nil value |
| 18:59.10 | AnduinLothar | doesn't OnTooltipSetUnit pass a unit? |
| 18:59.20 | kneeki | I thought it did |
| 18:59.29 | kneeki | !api OnTooltipSetUnit |
| 18:59.29 | lua_bot | OnTooltipSetUnit: Fires in response to a corresponding SetUnit call. Available for GameTooltip (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnTooltipSetUnit) |
| 18:59.59 | AnduinLothar | guess not |
| 19:00.08 | kneeki | lunch time, bbl |
| 19:00.14 | squidbear | OK, but then how would I go about getting the UnitName() from the unitframe mouseover? |
| 19:00.17 | squidbear | kneeki, thanks |
| 19:00.33 | AnduinLothar | GetUnit(self) ? |
| 19:00.41 | mikma | squidbear: tooltip scanning! |
| 19:00.46 | mikma | lal |
| 19:00.56 | AnduinLothar | !api GetUnit |
| 19:00.56 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'GetUnit': GameTooltip:GetUnit, GetUnitManaRegenRateFromSpirit, GetUnitHealthModifier, GetUnitHealthRegenRateFromSpirit, GetUnitName, GetUnitPitch, TargetUnit, GetUnitSpeed, GetUnitPowerModifier, SpellTargetUnit, SpellCanTargetUnit, GetUnitMaxHealthModifier |
| 19:01.12 | AnduinLothar | ah. GameTooltip:GetUnit |
| 19:01.20 | AnduinLothar | so self:GetUnit() |
| 19:01.29 | squidbear | gotcha |
| 19:02.02 | squidbear | How would I grab unit info, though? (Race, class, etc) |
| 19:02.17 | AnduinLothar | GetUnit gives you the unit |
| 19:02.25 | AnduinLothar | you can do whatever you want with the unit after that |
| 19:02.28 | squidbear | Oh, perfect |
| 19:02.39 | squidbear | Thank you :) |
| 19:02.44 | AnduinLothar | so local unit = tooltip:GetUnit() |
| 19:02.49 | AnduinLothar | rather than just mouseover |
| 19:04.00 | AnduinLothar | make me a loltip replacement :P |
| 19:04.12 | AnduinLothar | with gui options |
| 19:04.17 | AnduinLothar | that doesn't error |
| 19:04.17 | squidbear | loltip? :S |
| 19:04.21 | squidbear | :P |
| 19:04.30 | AnduinLothar | yeah i've been using loltip |
| 19:04.33 | AnduinLothar | but it's buggy |
| 19:05.14 | squidbear | hehe ok :P |
| 19:06.03 | squidbear | you don't like the lua config? xD |
| 19:06.39 | AnduinLothar | lua config = fail |
| 19:06.49 | AnduinLothar | make it use Portfolio :P it's easy |
| 19:07.11 | squidbear | I'll look into it |
| 19:07.18 | squidbear | I like easy |
| 19:07.20 | squidbear | lol |
| 19:08.24 | squidbear | So...how do I make the luabot in here list unit funcs? |
| 19:08.41 | Cide | you don't? |
| 19:08.44 | Cide | www.wowprogramming.com |
| 19:09.03 | squidbear | touche |
| 19:13.29 | squidbear | AnduinLothar, hmm... print(tooltip:GetUnit()) is returning nil |
| 19:13.57 | AnduinLothar | fail |
| 19:14.09 | AnduinLothar | !api GameTooltip:GetUnit |
| 19:14.09 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:GetUnit: Returns the unit the tooltip is currently displaying information for (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/GetUnit) |
| 19:14.42 | squidbear | is it because I'm clearing the lines before I run it? |
| 19:15.08 | AnduinLothar | iono |
| 19:15.14 | squidbear | yes, it is |
| 19:15.15 | squidbear | >< |
| 19:15.18 | squidbear | lol |
| 19:15.28 | AnduinLothar | there you go. pull the unit before you clear |
| 19:15.47 | squidbear | probably a good idea anyway |
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| 19:20.24 | squidbear | Odd. The unitframe tooltip works perfectly, but the tooltips for units in the field are only getting the name right. For Level it's outputting "Level 0" and no info about guild/class/race/etc. |
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| 20:09.15 | AckisWork | anyone having issues w/ spam posts on curse.com still? |
| 20:11.32 | _rane | could someone explain this notation: iconlist[#iconlist+1] |
| 20:11.43 | _rane | that # notation |
| 20:11.49 | Dagmar | In theory it would refer to one item past the end of hte array |
| 20:11.51 | NeoTron | number of entries in the array |
| 20:12.06 | _rane | ah, thanks |
| 20:12.12 | durcyn | that's not really safe, should use table.insert instead |
| 20:12.21 | NeoTron | it's safe |
| 20:12.26 | NeoTron | why wouldn't it be safe? |
| 20:12.35 | Arrowmaster | its safe as long as the table is an array without gapes |
| 20:14.15 | Arrowmaster | # has an 'undefined' behavior if the table has anything other than an continous array in it |
| 20:14.27 | NeoTron | fair enough |
| 20:14.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> #({ 1, 2, nil, 4 }) |
| 20:14.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 4 |
| 20:19.20 | kneeki | lua> #( { "one", "two" } ) |
| 20:19.20 | lua_bot | kneeki: 2 |
| 20:19.24 | kneeki | zomg |
| 20:19.26 | kneeki | that's nice |
| 20:19.42 | mikma | .. nice what? |
| 20:19.47 | airtonix | pie |
| 20:19.51 | kneeki | lua> #( { "one", "two", three = { "four" } } ) |
| 20:19.51 | lua_bot | kneeki: 2 |
| 20:19.54 | kneeki | boo |
| 20:20.00 | kneeki | i like pie! |
| 20:20.20 | Dagmar | Weeeeird |
| 20:20.29 | Matsy | See! |
| 20:20.33 | Dagmar | I'm guessing it just discarded the "three =" part |
| 20:20.36 | kneeki | pulls his pants up |
| 20:20.39 | kneeki | Don't laugh! |
| 20:20.42 | Matsy | Lua is weird |
| 20:20.44 | Matsy | With its tables |
| 20:20.55 | _rane | I used to have an addon that automatically returned repeatable quests, any idea what it might've been? |
| 20:20.57 | Matsy | is still amazed about the lack of one-dimensional arrays |
| 20:21.06 | Matsy | Carbonite? ;p |
| 20:21.16 | kneeki | hmm |
| 20:21.16 | NeoTron | kneeki: #<foo> doesn't work on hashtables |
| 20:21.17 | Matsy | Returned, as in, delivered? |
| 20:21.26 | _rane | Matsy: yes |
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| 20:21.33 | NeoTron | really a table in lua is either an array (like foo[] in java/c) or a hashtable |
| 20:21.43 | Matsy | What. |
| 20:21.52 | Matsy | The only way to make a one dimensional array is to do like |
| 20:21.53 | Dagmar | hashtables aren't considered ordered arrays in any langauge I've ever used |
| 20:21.59 | NeoTron | with integer keys, you really have a one dimensional array |
| 20:21.59 | airtonix | #( {"one"= "test","two" = "test", "three" = { "zomg" = "pie"}, "????" + "WTF", "four" = "profit" } ) |
| 20:22.03 | kneeki | lua> local t = { "one", two = { "three" } } #(t.two) |
| 20:22.04 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 20:22.07 | airtonix | lua> #( {"one"= "test","two" = "test", "three" = { "zomg" = "pie"}, "????" + "WTF", "four" = "profit" } ) |
| 20:22.07 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 20:22.09 | kneeki | err |
| 20:22.09 | Matsy | You still need to pair up. |
| 20:22.13 | NeoTron | not sure exactly if they are implemented as such but that's the net effect |
| 20:22.16 | Matsy | you can't just do = [] |
| 20:22.18 | airtonix | -_- |
| 20:22.20 | dardack | only 3 achievemetns to go for my mount |
| 20:22.23 | kneeki | lua> local t = { "one", two = { "three" } } #(t["two"]) |
| 20:22.24 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 20:22.30 | dardack | less-rabi can go die tho |
| 20:22.32 | dardack | seriously |
| 20:22.33 | kneeki | ok then |
| 20:22.40 | NeoTron | lua> { "my", "array", "is", "good" } |
| 20:22.40 | lua_bot | NeoTron: table: 0x885ba98 |
| 20:22.45 | NeoTron | sure you can |
| 20:22.52 | NeoTron | lua> { "my", "array", "is", "good" }[3] |
| 20:22.52 | lua_bot | NeoTron: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '{' |
| 20:22.59 | NeoTron | lua> ({ "my", "array", "is", "good" })[3] |
| 20:22.59 | lua_bot | NeoTron: is |
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| 20:23.42 | NeoTron | ipairs() only work on "array" tables while pairs() work on both "array" tables and "hash" tables |
| 20:23.48 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 20:23.51 | Matsy | I know that much |
| 20:24.08 | Matsy | Well |
| 20:24.10 | NeoTron | there's clearly a difference in how they are implemented in the interpreter |
| 20:24.13 | Matsy | I think, if you get the system, it's easy. |
| 20:24.18 | Fisker- | You! |
| 20:24.21 | Matsy | Or, easier. |
| 20:24.31 | Matsy | Because, I can't even get it in my mind. |
| 20:25.40 | alestane | There are certain functions on tables in Lua that are designed as "array functions"...they only look at the portion of a table which consists of positive integer indices consecutive from 1. |
| 20:25.41 | NeoTron | it's confusing if you don't know the difference |
| 20:25.49 | NeoTron | I've had bugs with #<table> especially in my code |
| 20:25.56 | NeoTron | or accidental ipairs() |
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| 20:29.17 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: So I feel a bit of an idiot about that Starcraft mission I was bitching about the other day. |
| 20:29.52 | alestane | Turns out my biggest problem with base defense was not that I couldn't make sunken colonies or spore colonies, but that I had no idea how. |
| 20:30.06 | Matsy | I get it now. |
| 20:30.09 | Matsy | Lua started off as a configuration language. This has some nice quirks in that it's great for creating and configuring things - which is what you want to do in a game. Python is probably ahead if you want to write big complicated apps because Lua has some issues, but then Lua is catching up (e.g. table syntax, anonymous functions). |
| 20:30.21 | Matsy | It's a configuration language. |
| 20:30.50 | alestane | Matsy: Yes, it started as a data description language, a sort of executable database. |
| 20:30.55 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 20:31.09 | Matsy | It really explains the lack of functions I needed. |
| 20:31.19 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: ha. Should have just asked |
| 20:31.27 | alestane | I don't know anything you can do in Python that you can't do in current Lua, although it may not do them as easily. |
| 20:31.40 | Matsy | Eh. |
| 20:31.47 | Matsy | Lets start with string splitting |
| 20:32.02 | Matsy | One of the basic functions in a programming language ;p |
| 20:32.03 | alestane | Python offers things like slice notation that are very convenient, but you can do all these things in Lua. |
| 20:32.39 | Matsy | And, you can't implement unique sets in a proper way in Lua |
| 20:32.45 | Matsy | = a MAJOR downside in my opinion |
| 20:32.54 | Kraps | should i risk tanking H AN? |
| 20:32.59 | Matsy | Haha |
| 20:33.00 | alestane | Matsy: Sure you can. |
| 20:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: it's funny what a few sunken colonies can do to the terran forces |
| 20:33.02 | Matsy | AN = easy. |
| 20:33.07 | Matsy | Alestane. |
| 20:33.13 | Kraps | Matsy: no |
| 20:33.18 | Matsy | If you're talking about the table with = true. |
| 20:33.40 | Matsy | You could be right |
| 20:33.40 | alestane | I prefer a table where if v is to go in the set, you set s[v] = v. |
| 20:33.48 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 20:34.01 | Matsy | But, it does add a little bit of extra overhead. |
| 20:34.08 | alestane | That way, the set acts like a filter. |
| 20:34.11 | Matsy | Every time you do that |
| 20:34.28 | alestane | If you ask it for a value it doesn't contain, it returns nil; otherwise, it returns the value you asked for. |
| 20:34.53 | Matsy | One thing I find extremely difficult to do too are permutations |
| 20:34.59 | Matsy | Calculating permutations in Lua. |
| 20:35.03 | alestane | Matsy: First off, no high-level language (Lua, Python, JavaScript, etc.) focuses foremost on performance. |
| 20:35.23 | alestane | Secondly, the Lua implementation is deceptively efficient. |
| 20:35.26 | Matsy | I'm not talking about Python anymore. |
| 20:35.31 | Matsy | ;p |
| 20:35.42 | Matsy | I know it's unfair to compare Lua with anything else. |
| 20:35.48 | Matsy | But, the transition is so weird. |
| 20:36.09 | durcyn | coming from a perl background, i *like* lua =P |
| 20:36.28 | Matsy | Yeah ;p |
| 20:36.34 | Matsy | Perl is pretty similar to Lua. |
| 20:36.35 | alestane | "Lua would be Wicca - A pantheistic language that can easily be adapted for different cultures and locations. Its code is very liberal, and allows for the use of techniques that might be described as magical by those used to more traditional languages. It has a strong connection to the moon." |
| 20:36.37 | alestane | From http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html |
| 20:36.56 | ronghail | how would do you this perl in lua? $h{a}{b}{c}='d' |
| 20:37.36 | alestane | Give me an example of a permutation you were having trouble calculating in Lua? |
| 20:37.54 | Matsy | Okay |
| 20:38.20 | Matsy | Lets say I want to calculate all the permutations with a size of 2, of the set split('12345') |
| 20:38.45 | krka | i suggest you really learn lua before pointing out its shortcomings |
| 20:38.55 | Matsy | Krka |
| 20:39.00 | Matsy | I'm saying I can't learn it |
| 20:39.13 | Matsy | And, I also implied that these shortcomings are most likely because of my disability |
| 20:39.15 | krka | lua is definitely missing some basic functions, but then again, they're usually trivial to implement yourself |
| 20:39.37 | alestane | So, every two-element subset of a five-element set? |
| 20:39.43 | Matsy | yeah. |
| 20:39.54 | Matsy | I didnt even know where to start >_> |
| 20:40.00 | alestane | 4!, isn't it? |
| 20:40.09 | Matsy | uhuh? |
| 20:40.09 | alestane | Or 5! |
| 20:40.19 | Matsy | I'm talking about |
| 20:40.21 | krka | want the number of permutations, or an iterator over them? |
| 20:40.38 | Matsy | {{0,1},{1,0},{2,1},{1,2}} |
| 20:40.48 | Matsy | So, an iterator. |
| 20:40.57 | alestane | Give me a few minutes. |
| 20:41.02 | Matsy | Are you serious? |
| 20:41.04 | Matsy | Haha |
| 20:41.11 | Matsy | If you could make that, you're my god. |
| 20:41.34 | Matsy | Because, it took me 5 hours to make it, and I still don't know how to do it |
| 20:41.45 | Arrowmaster | fyi hes doing this to try and win blizzcon tickets |
| 20:41.58 | Matsy | So? |
| 20:42.30 | Arrowmaster | so they should focus on the teaching how to fish instead of the giving of fish |
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| 20:43.06 | Matsy | If you're talking about the contest |
| 20:43.09 | Matsy | I already figured it all out |
| 20:43.09 | durcyn | or the lighting on fire, to use the alternate version |
| 20:43.21 | Matsy | The Lua part is bogging me. |
| 20:43.35 | Matsy | And, Arrowmaster. For that purpose, I didn't even ask the proper question |
| 20:43.43 | Matsy | Because, that's not what I exactly need. |
| 20:45.54 | ronghail | for $x (@foo) { for $y (@foo) { next if $x eq $y; print "$x$y\n"}} |
| 20:46.38 | Matsy | ;o |
| 20:46.51 | Matsy | That'd work for perl. |
| 20:48.07 | krka | http://www.lua.org/pil/9.3.html |
| 20:48.11 | krka | maybe that can help |
| 20:48.35 | Matsy | I actually went there |
| 20:48.47 | Matsy | And, read it all |
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| 20:48.59 | Shadowed | heyyy alestane, http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_060309_231654.jpg top left on "Bardon" you happen to know why a texture would distort like that? It's not SetTexCoord and ClearAllPoints is called before it's anchored |
| 20:49.10 | Matsy | Even tried implementing it |
| 20:49.12 | Shadowed | people don't seem to know what causes it :( |
| 20:49.15 | Matsy | But, it isn't what I needed. |
| 20:50.00 | alestane | Shadowed: Check scale? I can't really tell without reading the code. |
| 20:50.13 | Matsy | ;o |
| 20:50.14 | Matsy | Naxx. |
| 20:50.33 | Shadowed | http://shadowed.pastey.net/115452 is literally all it does, and if it was scale then the other party frames would have it happen to them :/ |
| 20:50.58 | Kraps | Situation In Nigeria Seems Pretty Complex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwom49awRKg&feature=PlayList&p=rMTKmOoGYfE |
| 20:57.23 | kneeki | http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5350/w3ctwitter7998492.png |
| 20:57.25 | kneeki | lol |
| 20:57.51 | alestane | Matsy: I didn't test it, but after running http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115465, one should be able to say something like: |
| 20:57.51 | alestane | for pair in nextpair, {'1', '2', '3', '4', '5'} do ... |
| 20:58.40 | alestane | There are a few redundancies in there for clarity, but it should illustrate the basic idea. |
| 20:58.46 | Matsy | Hmm! |
| 20:58.50 | Matsy | Thanks a lot |
| 21:00.17 | tekkub | http://abstrusegoose.com/157 |
| 21:00.54 | alestane | That function assumes you give it an array of values, and that you've already purged any duplicates, but it should iterate over every pair in the set. |
| 21:01.38 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 21:01.43 | Matsy | Looks interesting. |
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| 21:02.59 | alestane | i.e., each pass through the loop it'll give you back a table with the next pair of values, keyed under their indices, {[1] = "1", [2] = "2"}, {[1] = "1", [3] = "3"}, and so on through to {[[4] = "4", [5] = "5"}. |
| 21:03.22 | Cide | can't you return them as a list? |
| 21:03.30 | Matsy | Figured that much already. |
| 21:03.40 | Matsy | This is around exactly what I need. ;o |
| 21:03.50 | Matsy | Har har |
| 21:03.51 | Matsy | Finally |
| 21:04.00 | ronghail | wow that is a lot of code |
| 21:04.25 | alestane | Cide: You mean, run one function that has a return for each permutation? It wouldn't be very usable that way. |
| 21:05.08 | alestane | The iterator approach is going to be more appropriate for almost every application. |
| 21:05.18 | Cide | I mean |
| 21:05.31 | Cide | for v1, v2 in nextpair, tbl |
| 21:06.18 | alestane | Cide: Maybe, but harder to run as a proper iterator that way, since only v1 would be fed back in as the prompt for next state. |
| 21:07.06 | alestane | Could have it return currentIndices, item1, item2 though. |
| 21:07.13 | alestane | That might be more usable. |
| 21:08.08 | alestane | Could make it generic if you really wanted to, write a permutations(set, number) function. |
| 21:09.58 | alestane | for indices, val1, val2, val3 in permutations({'c', 'f', 't', 'q', 'z'}, 3) do |
| 21:10.23 | Matsy | Hmm |
| 21:10.30 | Matsy | Well |
| 21:10.34 | Matsy | I'd make something like that myself. |
| 21:11.00 | Matsy | Mostly since Arrowmaster has been judging my questions here. |
| 21:11.15 | Arrowmaster | just messing with you |
| 21:11.30 | Matsy | Seemed pretty serious. |
| 21:11.35 | Matsy | And, it's better for myself too |
| 21:11.42 | Matsy | As I heard from a wise person, Knowledge is Power. |
| 21:11.50 | Arrowmaster | which is why ive been doing it |
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| 21:12.52 | alestane | Actually, the function I posted will return combinations, not permutations. |
| 21:12.59 | Matsy | What. |
| 21:13.15 | Matsy | Noes :( |
| 21:13.40 | alestane | Given the set, {'a', 'b', 'c', d', 'e'}, it will never return 'b', 'a'. |
| 21:13.57 | alestane | Because it considers it equivalent to 'a', 'b'. |
| 21:14.05 | Matsy | Ahhh. |
| 21:14.19 | alestane | But you can probably figure out how to transform it if you need true permutations. |
| 21:14.55 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 21:14.59 | Matsy | I think I will |
| 21:15.11 | alestane | Be good for you to try, probably. |
| 21:17.57 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 21:18.01 | Matsy | I'm going to bed now first, though |
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| 21:27.52 | Aelobin | is there any way to "refresh" your realm list |
| 21:28.02 | Aelobin | all mine still shows green realm names that i no longer have characters on |
| 21:29.23 | Dagmar | Mabbe dump your cache and saved variables folders and see if that clears them, although you can probably get away with just dumping teh cached account info |
| 21:31.57 | Aelobin | where's teh cached account info? :P |
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| 21:33.41 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 21:34.04 | kneeki | For casters, is the spell hit cap vs other players of equal level to you 5% or 4%? |
| 21:35.19 | Thunder_Child | 4 |
| 21:35.41 | Thunder_Child | according to wowwiki at any rate |
| 21:35.46 | kneeki | hmm |
| 21:37.15 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit |
| 21:37.21 | kneeki | And, the 8% cap for melee is for a boss NPC |
| 21:37.34 | kneeki | 8% for 2h, 27% for dual weild |
| 21:37.53 | Thunder_Child | mele is http://www.wowwiki.com/Hit |
| 21:37.58 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 21:38.07 | kneeki | I'm just double checking those sites by asking here ;) |
| 21:38.20 | Thunder_Child | thats where most of us pull from |
| 21:38.28 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 21:38.40 | Lunessa | The Senate tried to sympathize. Who was this cat they should despise? |
| 21:42.25 | kneeki | So, 8% is the 2h hit cap for a boss NPC right? |
| 21:42.36 | Dagmar | ...and ranged |
| 21:42.57 | kneeki | Ok |
| 21:43.07 | Dagmar | ...and let's be clear, it's the base miss ratio that's 8% |
| 21:43.09 | kneeki | Sorry, I hadn't had much coffee today, not thinking very strait |
| 21:43.37 | Dagmar | 8% for physical attacks, something else for magic |
| 21:43.45 | kneeki | Is melee affected the same way as spell casters are? |
| 21:43.49 | kneeki | I'm sure they are |
| 21:43.55 | Dagmar | Affected how? |
| 21:43.59 | kneeki | miss rate |
| 21:44.16 | kneeki | For casters, I have a table like: hitLevelPvE = { 100, 99, 98, 97, 96, 95, 94, 83, 72, 61 } |
| 21:44.49 | kneeki | the base chance to hit is at 96 for even level mobs, anything more than 5 levels is a guranteed 100%, anything more it dwindles down |
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| 21:45.28 | Dagmar | They taper off the same as far as I know, but the base miss for spells is going to be 17% |
| 21:45.40 | Dagmar | well, against level+3 (boss) mobs anyway |
| 21:45.51 | kneeki | yeah |
| 21:45.59 | kneeki | 83% chance to hit with 0 talents |
| 21:46.01 | Fisker- | soup? |
| 21:46.06 | kneeki | well, 0 talents and 0 +hit gear |
| 21:46.20 | Dagmar | It's easy enough to check, too. |
| 21:46.33 | Dagmar | You just walk up to the heroic testing dummy and magic missle the thing a few hundred times |
| 21:46.39 | kneeki | lol |
| 21:46.40 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 21:47.09 | Dagmar | I take my picnic blanket with me when I'm testing pet-only DPS. |
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| 22:00.11 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/118449457 |
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| 22:07.59 | tem | Hmm |
| 22:08.09 | tem | so I need a dummies guide to overclocking your video card |
| 22:08.26 | tem | it came with an overclocking utility |
| 22:08.54 | cogwheel | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking+for+dummies |
| 22:08.55 | tem | but there's an invisible line on either the memory clock speed or the core clock speed sliders |
| 22:09.07 | tem | crossing that line causes all 3d apps to completely kill my system |
| 22:09.33 | tem | cogwheel, I didn't google it myself for 2 reasons |
| 22:10.01 | tem | 1) There are smart people in this channel who aren't so amazingly bitter that they're willing to share their knowledge with me |
| 22:10.02 | Hirsute | 0.0 |
| 22:10.22 | Hirsute | cogwheel? I haven't seen you around in a while. How goes? |
| 22:10.38 | tem | 2) I wasn't really sure what to search for to get what I'm really after |
| 22:10.38 | cogwheel | tem: the correct response was "OMG COGWHEEL!" |
| 22:10.41 | tem | 2) Fuck off imo |
| 22:10.46 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:10.46 | tem | s/2/3/ |
| 22:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 22:10.57 | cogwheel | Hirsute got it right ;) |
| 22:11.07 | cogwheel | ohai :) |
| 22:11.11 | Shefki | Hi cogwheel |
| 22:12.51 | cogwheel | tem: i had that same problem when i tried a while back... though any amount of overclocking wasn't particularly stable so i gave up after a while |
| 22:13.08 | tem | pretty much exactly what I'm seeing |
| 22:13.17 | cogwheel | i have neither the patience or the resources to invest in extra cooling etc. |
| 22:13.33 | tem | I can get away with TINY bumps to core and memory clocks |
| 22:13.41 | tem | with actually noticable results |
| 22:14.11 | zenzelezz | I imagine your best bet would be to google for overclocking your specific video card or graphics chip |
| 22:17.07 | NeoTron | I decided not to overclock my gfx card... sicne if I turn the fan up to deal with more heat it sounds like a jet engine |
| 22:17.32 | NeoTron | rather have quiet than a few percent faster |
| 22:18.37 | cogwheel | i just scored a radeon hd 4870 so i'm not worried about overclocking at least for a year or so ;) |
| 22:19.08 | zenzelezz | I ran my Radeon 9800 for something like three years without overclocking, and it still did fair enough. I think overclocking by and large is more a "fun" activity than a useful one |
| 22:19.20 | Adys | WTF GUYS JUST STOP USING ATI >< |
| 22:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:19.26 | Adys | hey cog |
| 22:19.26 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 22:19.26 | zenzelezz | that's "think" as in "my opinion", not "I believe" |
| 22:19.42 | tem | I will never own another ati card |
| 22:19.51 | zenzelezz | Adys: sure, and use what... Matrox? S3? |
| 22:19.52 | tem | not after the whole BWL debacle |
| 22:19.57 | Adys | nvidia |
| 22:19.59 | cogwheel | Adys: i was using a 8800 GTS before. |
| 22:20.05 | zenzelezz | Adys said the N word |
| 22:20.14 | Adys | your mom said the n word |
| 22:20.15 | cogwheel | right now the radeon 4870 is the best performance:$$ ratio |
| 22:20.17 | NeoTron | I've used nvidia for prettymuch ever |
| 22:20.18 | Thunder_Child | actually it was the n words |
| 22:20.22 | Thunder_Child | word* |
| 22:20.23 | Dagmar | ...because their cards just bloody work. |
| 22:20.32 | Adys | today was a quiet day |
| 22:20.39 | NeoTron | before nvidia I used matrox cards and voodoo 2 card :P |
| 22:20.42 | zenzelezz | I prefer Ati, it's that simple |
| 22:20.46 | Adys | I only noticed about 10 new ATI-related bugs |
| 22:20.53 | Adys | usually its 20 or so. |
| 22:20.54 | Thunder_Child | then you prefer fail zenzelezz |
| 22:21.07 | NeoTron | gives you idea how long I've been using nvidia |
| 22:21.27 | cogwheel | the GPU folding@home client does a work unit in about 4 hrs on my new card =) |
| 22:21.34 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: that's just a stupid statement. Obviously I've not had much trouble with my Atis or I wouldn't be touting them |
| 22:21.44 | Adys | im not using nvidia because of "preferences", "ethics" or whatever bullshit |
| 22:21.45 | zenzelezz | and I don't give a damn what problems OTHERS have had |
| 22:21.47 | Adys | only because they work |
| 22:22.07 | NeoTron | my nv 8800 GT card had issues |
| 22:22.08 | Adys | I owned an ATI card btw |
| 22:22.13 | NeoTron | or the driver did or windows did |
| 22:22.18 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, just because you havent had a problem with it doesnt make it good though |
| 22:22.27 | Adys | it fried around 220 degrees |
| 22:22.29 | Adys | (celcius) |
| 22:22.30 | NeoTron | basically it was unstable in windows (but ironically worked fine with a hackintosh setup) |
| 22:22.47 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: just because you had problems with it doesn't mean I have to consider it bad |
| 22:22.59 | NeoTron | but really if zenzelezz is fine with ATI does it really matter what he uses? |
| 22:23.08 | zenzelezz | they're just trolling like usual |
| 22:23.12 | NeoTron | there are people using AMD cpus still despite Intel being better. |
| 22:23.16 | Dagmar | It depends on how loudly he whines when it doesn't work. |
| 22:23.17 | NeoTron | (at the moment) |
| 22:23.24 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, well our opnion of a product really doesnt mean squat |
| 22:23.27 | Dagmar | Oh look, more trolling. |
| 22:23.34 | cogwheel | speaking of which... when the hell are they going to lower the prices on the core2quads? |
| 22:23.41 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: so why are you shoving it so fiercely at me? |
| 22:23.56 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, not my opnion? |
| 22:23.56 | Adys | Its not trolling |
| 22:24.07 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Probably when the ninnies out there stop saying "INTEL R BETTERER BECUZ THER CHIPS ARE MOAR FASTERER" |
| 22:24.31 | Dagmar | Of course, by that standard, Cray kicks their ass. |
| 22:24.35 | Adys | you mean like the ninnies just above saying "ATI R BETTERER CUZ BETTERER PERFORMANCE ATM" |
| 22:24.51 | Adys | (THAT is trolling) |
| 22:25.05 | zenzelezz | I for one said nothing of which gave better performance |
| 22:25.43 | Adys | id make a list of everything bad in ATI but I'd end up getting kicked for spamming. |
| 22:26.04 | zenzelezz | if you have such a desire to, just pastey it |
| 22:26.18 | NeoTron | of course nvidia and ati both did some nice price fixing to keep prices up and nvidia had issues with soldering or whatever on their cards for a while (at least) |
| 22:26.33 | NeoTron | so nvidia might be the lesser of two evils but is still evil |
| 22:26.40 | Adys | Google is always right |
| 22:26.44 | cogwheel | i swapped the cards, i swapped the drivers, nothing broke and everything got faster... so i don't see any reason to prejudice a brand... |
| 22:27.06 | Adys | http://www.google.com/trends?q=ati%2C+nvidia&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 |
| 22:27.10 | Adys | nvidia wins |
| 22:27.20 | cogwheel | i actually was a bit of an nvidia fanboi for a while but only because most of the games I play have the nvidia logo in them >< |
| 22:27.38 | Adys | now you play wow which used to sport an ATI logo |
| 22:27.43 | Adys | (actually i think it sported both) |
| 22:27.43 | zenzelezz | cogwheel: this is the Internet. If your opinion does not match ours, you shall be vehemently shouted at, flamed, and argued continually until you succumb |
| 22:28.14 | cogwheel | Adys: 1) no i don't ;) and 2) it had nvidia as long as i can remember |
| 22:28.33 | Kaso | The bar graphs on Census+ are wildly inaccurate |
| 22:28.34 | Adys | it had ATI at multiple points |
| 22:28.49 | Adys | and still has some ATI deals afaik; at least they were here as partners last WWI/Blizzcon |
| 22:28.56 | Adys | and I was just kidding |
| 22:29.09 | zenzelezz | as for games sporting logos, I choose to never trust them at all |
| 22:29.11 | cogwheel | i know... i'm not as worked up as some people :P |
| 22:29.20 | NeoTron | the bigger tragedy is that there are only two viable gaming card makers |
| 22:29.25 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:29.37 | Adys | no |
| 22:29.38 | Adys | no |
| 22:29.41 | Adys | no its not a tragedy |
| 22:29.48 | tekkub | yes |
| 22:29.52 | tekkub | OH DADDY YES |
| 22:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ the questions on http://digg.com/dialogg/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_1?FC=UATDRB3 |
| 22:29.59 | Adys | tekkub: WTF WRONG |
| 22:30.06 | Adys | IMAGE PICTURE IN MIND WRONG |
| 22:30.08 | cogwheel | duopolies are almost as bad as monopolies |
| 22:30.09 | Thunder_Child | well thanks for messing that line of argument up |
| 22:30.14 | NeoTron | imagine if we only had two brands of cars |
| 22:30.16 | zenzelezz | dear god you guys can be annoying at times |
| 22:30.26 | Adys | NeoTron: roads dont have to be compatible with cars |
| 22:30.27 | Thunder_Child | we try zenzelezz |
| 22:30.41 | Adys | how about you try it the other way |
| 22:30.52 | tekkub | NeoTron: I think you mean, imagine if we only had two brands of car engines |
| 22:30.56 | Dagmar | Oh yes they do have to be compatible with cars. |
| 22:30.56 | Adys | you hate developing for 4 different browsers |
| 22:30.58 | Thunder_Child | no, i dont like it from behind |
| 22:31.07 | Dagmar | Just try taking a small tank down the street and see what happens. |
| 22:31.28 | Adys | imagine developing 3d games, which are a lot harder than web pages or what not |
| 22:31.33 | Adys | for 10 different engines |
| 22:31.42 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.48 | NeoTron | they already have to do that with AT LEAST intel |
| 22:32.02 | NeoTron | it's just that intel is there but not competetive performance wise |
| 22:32.18 | zenzelezz | it's the same shit with video cards as it is with browsers; if they all correctly adhered to a standard, they could focus on improving their implementations instead |
| 22:32.18 | Adys | yeah intel comes second on amount of bugs Im getting in my mailbox |
| 22:32.20 | tekkub | I thought they wrote for DirctX and OpenGL, not for ATi and nVidia :P |
| 22:32.43 | Adys | tekkub: yeah ideally its what happens |
| 22:32.46 | NeoTron | tekkub: in a perfect world that'd be true but Adys is correct in that the world isn't perfect |
| 22:32.54 | NeoTron | extensions and crap you know |
| 22:33.05 | tekkub | well, yes, behond that there's always going to be hardware-specific fixes |
| 22:33.12 | Adys | but in practice its just like writing for webkit vs trident instead of chrome vs ie |
| 22:33.18 | tekkub | like the nVidia scaled font with an embed texture issue |
| 22:33.23 | Dagmar | The code for OpenGL if they're cool. |
| 22:33.54 | zenzelezz | personally I believe in a few more years video card innovation will slow dramatically just like CPU innovation did, and things will get easier (for a while) |
| 22:34.29 | NeoTron | it's entirely possible that CPU's will become so fast that special purpose video cards will become obsolete |
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| 22:34.36 | Adys | zenzelezz: you must be having issues with your connection |
| 22:34.45 | Adys | Im getting messages from you dating from 2002 |
| 22:35.03 | zenzelezz | oh noes, insulted by Adys |
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| 22:35.25 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awinehq.org+nvidia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t |
| 22:35.29 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awinehq.org+fglrx&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t |
| 22:35.41 | zenzelezz | your point being? |
| 22:35.45 | Adys | 20 first results: 2 bugs for nvidia, 16 bugs for ati |
| 22:36.12 | Adys | (same goes for ati btw but most of it is duplicate) |
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| 22:36.45 | cogwheel | Adys: that's a linux driver issue imo... utterly irrelevant to me |
| 22:36.56 | Adys | the linux driver is developed by ATI |
| 22:37.03 | cogwheel | right... |
| 22:37.04 | Adys | the windows driver is bad as well |
| 22:37.14 | Adys | less bad, but still bad |
| 22:37.16 | tekkub | ATi's got a long history of driver issues |
| 22:37.20 | tekkub | they always have |
| 22:37.20 | Thunder_Child | i'm going to go with...NOT worth $8K http://www.zitzot.com/nec-crv43-43-curved-super-lcd/ |
| 22:37.30 | tekkub | they've gotten a lot better than they used to be though |
| 22:38.18 | cogwheel | well i have driver issues with everything since i'm running vista |
| 22:38.18 | cogwheel | so meh |
| 22:38.18 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:38.18 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?q=exactly+how+bad+is+ATI&ie=utf-8 |
| 22:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | you know |
| 22:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | As someone who -only- has NV cards |
| 22:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't much of a point there :P |
| 22:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ATI/nvidia/ and bam |
| 22:39.08 | Adys | I usually compare results like that when I'M in doubt |
| 22:39.18 | Adys | it works for everything, spellchecking etc. |
| 22:39.22 | zenzelezz | uh huh |
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| 22:39.32 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/458/ |
| 22:39.35 | Adys | it does. |
| 22:39.38 | laeg | would you buy http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44311 |
| 22:39.46 | laeg | for 500g to resell? |
| 22:39.55 | zenzelezz | using a webcomic as an argument doesn't work with me |
| 22:40.02 | laeg | auctioneer's appraiser's telling me it's worth 1416g seen 66 times |
| 22:40.07 | laeg | wowhead says 1800g |
| 22:40.15 | laeg | but i only have 800g |
| 22:40.17 | laeg | should i buy? |
| 22:40.20 | cogwheel | laeg: it'll depend on your realm |
| 22:40.21 | Adys | zenzelezz: Im not using a webcomic as argument |
| 22:40.58 | zenzelezz | Adys: that's odd, I could have sworn you linked one |
| 22:41.00 | Dagmar | laeg: Rule of thumb is that if you don't already know what something is going for on your server, you're about to get screwed. |
| 22:41.11 | Dagmar | Buy it to use it if you like, but buying it to resell is just a quick way of losing money |
| 22:41.12 | laeg | but but auctioneer tells me |
| 22:41.20 | Dagmar | Assume the other guy IS more familiar with going rates on your server. |
| 22:41.26 | laeg | i buy to sell everyday, but only for things up to 50g |
| 22:41.36 | Adys | zenzelezz: http://www.warhammeronline.com/ |
| 22:41.36 | laeg | auctioneer has seen it on ah 66 times |
| 22:41.38 | Adys | LOOK AT ME |
| 22:41.43 | Adys | im using a MMORPG as argument |
| 22:41.45 | laeg | says it's worth 1416g? |
| 22:41.47 | Dagmar | In other words, you're a low-grade bottom feeder about to get eaten by a shark. |
| 22:42.08 | Dagmar | laeg: Auctioneer says a lot more than "just" that. |
| 22:42.10 | zenzelezz | Adys: your way of communicating seems incompatible with mine |
| 22:42.30 | Dagmar | Mainly all that means is that someone's been trying to list one for that for awhile |
| 22:42.42 | Adys | disregarding zenzelezz's bollocks, you just need to search around a bit to see just how many issues ATI users have, vs how many issues nvidia users have |
| 22:42.55 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#279 |
| 22:43.00 | amro | ATi fails |
| 22:43.00 | Dagmar | laeg: On the other hand Avool's sword is pretty bad-ass. |
| 22:43.02 | amro | end of story |
| 22:43.04 | Adys | and whatever people say the same happens on windows, just at a lesser scale |
| 22:43.21 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone know why someone would have a channel called Crbz4003l1 randomly, with a ton of people in it on the server? |
| 22:43.25 | Dagmar | laeg: On most servers it should be worth 500g, just don't expect to make some huge markup profit for reselling one |
| 22:43.46 | foxlit | addons |
| 22:43.46 | Adys | VonhintenHOME`: some addon still using channels for communication? |
| 22:44.07 | Dagmar | VonhintenHOME`: That would be Carbonite or something similar |
| 22:44.20 | Dagmar | VonhintenHOME`: Feel free to entertain yourself by typing phony messages into it |
| 22:45.02 | VonhintenHOME` | heh, well, it's not me |
| 22:45.05 | VonhintenHOME` | friend of mine |
| 22:46.13 | VonhintenHOME` | why the hell would carbonite need to communicate with all other carbonite users... |
| 22:46.26 | Thunder_Child | position |
| 22:47.08 | Thunder_Child | unless you put yourself in stealth mode it brodcasts a bunch of info to everyone else using carb |
| 22:47.44 | NeoTron | man that 44" curved widescreen monitor for $8000 is pretty fail - 2880x900 resolution which is significantly less pixels than a $1300ish 30" widescreen at 2560x1600 pixels |
| 22:48.17 | Adys | less pixels means less arousal when watching porn |
| 22:48.27 | Thunder_Child | quite so |
| 22:48.27 | Adys | which means totally not worth 4k usd more |
| 22:48.56 | VonhintenHOME` | I'll stick with my 67" led dlp |
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| 22:49.02 | Thunder_Child | for thta much monies i would rather just get 8 good quality monitors |
| 22:49.09 | Thunder_Child | that* |
| 22:49.52 | Thunder_Child | 12 would be ideal but i could live with 8 |
| 22:51.09 | NeoTron | Adys: it's like $6.5k more |
| 22:51.29 | Adys | thats a lot of hentai |
| 22:51.31 | NeoTron | I'd go with double 30" monitors for like 1/3rd the price |
| 22:51.37 | NeoTron | if I had that kind of cash |
| 22:51.55 | Adys | i dont get why people want big monitors |
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| 22:52.46 | Adys | fast cpus, large drives, powerful graphic cards and... big monitors |
| 22:53.07 | cogwheel | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting |
| 22:53.28 | NeoTron | for me it helps because my eye sight is bad. bigger monitors allows me to use larger fonts while keeping the text size (as measured by a ruler) the same.. makes it clearer |
| 22:54.31 | Adys | if my eyesight was bad and I wanted to spend $8k, I'd prolly spend it on surgery. |
| 22:54.39 | Gnarfoz | lol yeah |
| 22:55.01 | NeoTron | only surgery that possibly can fix my eyesight is cornea transplants |
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| 22:55.25 | NeoTron | that go for like $25k per eye (insurance would help of course0 but has like a year recovery and a rather too high set of risks |
| 22:55.25 | Gnarfoz | all kinds of crazy stuff available these days ;p |
| 22:55.47 | Adys | or a pair of REALLY good glasses. |
| 22:56.29 | NeoTron | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=keracotonus |
| 22:57.26 | Thunder_Child | and monitors are prolly the best invesment on a computer because of how long it can last in relation to the other hardware...baring any kind of paradigm shift in monitor tech |
| 22:57.37 | Adys | fuck that |
| 22:57.42 | Adys | 8k i spend on a ssd |
| 22:58.13 | Adys | I got two amazing 22" monitors, its the most productive I can get |
| 22:58.35 | Adys | one more monitor and its too confusing; higher res than 1600 and its hard on the eye |
| 22:58.52 | NeoTron | err lol |
| 22:58.56 | NeoTron | of course it's not "hard on the eye" |
| 22:59.03 | NeoTron | the monitors have a larger size |
| 22:59.15 | NeoTron | and thus can fit in more pixels. they don't (necessarily) have higher dpi |
| 22:59.25 | Adys | Im not talking about fonts or whatever |
| 22:59.39 | squidbear | Does GameTooltip:GetUnit() only work for your own units and units in your party? |
| 22:59.44 | Adys | Im talking about higher resolutions giving me (and a lot of people) headaches |
| 22:59.54 | Dagmar | Fonts and DPI aren't related. |
| 23:00.01 | Dagmar | Higher res shouldn't give anyone a headache |
| 23:00.11 | Adys | Im not talking about dpi either dagmar |
| 23:00.25 | Dagmar | Interesting refresh rates and flourescent lights will tho |
| 23:00.42 | Adys | squidbear: it works for all units |
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| 23:02.19 | squidbear | Adys, I guess it does work for all units. But when I try to get the UnitLevel using GetUnit it returns 0. |
| 23:02.39 | Adys | GetUnit returns name, unit |
| 23:02.39 | squidbear | But if the unit is myself or in my party it returns the correct unit level |
| 23:02.52 | Adys | make sure you're selecting the right returned result |
| 23:03.08 | squidbear | Oh |
| 23:03.14 | squidbear | I'm probably grabbing name |
| 23:03.33 | Adys | very likely |
| 23:03.43 | squidbear | What's the syntax look like for just grabbing the 2nd returned value? |
| 23:04.02 | Adys | UnitLevel(select(2,GameTooltip:GetUnit())) |
| 23:04.17 | squidbear | Thank you |
| 23:05.23 | jnwhiteh | specifically UnitLevel((select(2, GameTooltip:GetUnit()))) |
| 23:05.28 | jnwhiteh | to ensure you only get one argument |
| 23:05.47 | squidbear | Extra parens? |
| 23:06.07 | Adys | even if you do get more than one arg it will only use the first one |
| 23:06.10 | Adys | so shouldnt matter |
| 23:06.14 | Adys | (afaik anyway) |
| 23:07.36 | squidbear | So, local unit = select(2, tooltip:GetUnit()) would get me the unit? |
| 23:07.50 | jnwhiteh | Adys: not if they change UnitLevel |
| 23:07.52 | jnwhiteh | to take more than one arg |
| 23:07.56 | jnwhiteh | squidbear: yep =) |
| 23:08.03 | Adys | oh |
| 23:08.04 | squidbear | Then just run UnitLevel(unit) |
| 23:08.06 | squidbear | to get level? |
| 23:08.13 | jnwhiteh | Adys: best to be explicit to ensure best compatibility and clarity =) |
| 23:08.25 | Adys | compatibility maybe |
| 23:08.29 | Adys | clarity i'd disagree :P |
| 23:08.36 | squidbear | lol |
| 23:08.38 | jnwhiteh | local unit = tooltip:GetUnit() |
| 23:08.42 | jnwhiteh | UnitLevel(unit) is the clearest |
| 23:08.48 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:08.56 | jnwhiteh | I need a Druid Balance spec |
| 23:09.06 | Adys | 0/71/0 |
| 23:09.11 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:09.13 | Adys | no need to thank me |
| 23:09.29 | sacarasc | Wouldn't that be feral, not balance? |
| 23:09.37 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 23:09.40 | sacarasc | Or was that just another part of the joke? |
| 23:09.41 | Adys | well |
| 23:09.43 | squidbear | jnwhiteh, unfortunately that way doesn't work |
| 23:09.46 | sacarasc | I fail at jokes, you see. |
| 23:09.46 | Adys | you just play it in humanoid form |
| 23:09.49 | Adys | spamming moonfire |
| 23:09.51 | jnwhiteh | squidbear: ? |
| 23:09.52 | Adys | and you're balance! |
| 23:10.01 | jnwhiteh | local unit = select(2, tooltip:GetUnit()) i meant |
| 23:10.16 | squidbear | OIC, yeah that way works. I just tested it >< |
| 23:10.57 | Adys | or _, unit = tooltip:GetUnit() if you're not so worried about that poor cpu cycle who's going to get used ahead of its time |
| 23:11.09 | Adys | s/ahead of/before/ |
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| 23:12.19 | squidbear | So some people don't use select(), but it makes the script more CPU intensive? |
| 23:12.39 | jnwhiteh | Don't use _ =/ |
| 23:12.43 | jnwhiteh | name the argument |
| 23:12.45 | jnwhiteh | imho |
| 23:12.54 | squidbear | ok |
| 23:13.04 | jnwhiteh | otherwise if you later need to use it, you have to go look up what it is |
| 23:13.07 | Kaso | its so minor either way dont worry about it |
| 23:13.09 | jnwhiteh | you can ignore it the same whether you use _ or a name |
| 23:13.16 | jnwhiteh | if we're talking best practic es |
| 23:13.18 | Kaso | just whatever suits your coding style and makes it easier to understand |
| 23:13.24 | Kirov | local variables aren't free either. |
| 23:13.36 | squidbear | Is this tooltip script efficient or is there a better way to do it? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115470 |
| 23:13.40 | jnwhiteh | nope, sure not. |
| 23:13.45 | jnwhiteh | wrt krka |
| 23:13.47 | jnwhiteh | err Kirov |
| 23:13.48 | jnwhiteh | sorry for the misping |
| 23:13.54 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0xG0uiIocdhVuouZfbcub |
| 23:13.59 | jnwhiteh | where to put the last 4 points |
| 23:14.01 | jnwhiteh | or how to move it around |
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| 23:15.05 | Kirov | Less than a global function call, but unless it's something you're going to do 10000 times every frame call it's not likely something you'll notice (in that case whatever function you're calling that's returning multiple values is a shit ton slower) |
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| 23:16.53 | _rane | I'm pulling my hair out at trying to figure out what kind of Frame structure I would be having if I wanted to have icons (basically frames with textures as backdrops) next to each other, should I have an anchor frame and icon frames which have the anchor frame as parent and how exactly can the icons be placed next to each other? |
| 23:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | man, #fedora is a terrible place to ask a question about now |
| 23:18.01 | jnwhiteh | _rane: create a frame with a texture on the BACKGROUND layer. SetAllPoints on the texture (so its the same size as the frame). |
| 23:18.16 | jnwhiteh | _rane: Place it somewhere (the center of your screen for example). Then create another, and anchor it to the first one |
| 23:18.20 | jnwhiteh | the anchors look like this |
| 23:18.30 | jnwhiteh | frame1:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER", 0 ,0) |
| 23:18.37 | jnwhiteh | i.e. anchor the frame to the center of UIPArent with no offset |
| 23:18.49 | jnwhiteh | then frame2:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", frame1, "TOPRIGHT", 0, 0) |
| 23:19.04 | jnwhiteh | which anchors the topleft of frame2 to the topright of frame 1, with no offset. |
| 23:21.23 | _rane | so I have to "manually" calculate offsets for each "icon" instead of using some kind of append to frame magic? |
| 23:21.26 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46081 + http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44912 are good pvp trinkets, no? |
| 23:21.32 | jnwhiteh | _rane: you're not calculating anything |
| 23:21.36 | jnwhiteh | and you can actually leave 0 and 0 off |
| 23:21.45 | jnwhiteh | but you have to tell the system what point to anchor where |
| 23:21.48 | jnwhiteh | which is all you are doing |
| 23:22.20 | _rane | so I'm basically anchoring n+1:th icon in the n:th one |
| 23:23.21 | jnwhiteh | you are anchoring the topleft of the n+1th icon to the topright of the nth one |
| 23:23.28 | jnwhiteh | you could just as easily do the bottomleft and the bottomright |
| 23:23.30 | jnwhiteh | or LEFT and RIGHT |
| 23:23.34 | jnwhiteh | depending on what you want to accomplish |
| 23:24.35 | _rane | I have pretty much figured out the addon logic already, but frames are giving me headache as usual :) |
| 23:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen kd3 |
| 23:24.42 | purl | kd3 is currently on #wowhead (6h 30m 37s) #wowuidev (6h 30m 37s) #wowace (6h 30m 37s) #wowwiki (6h 30m 37s), last said: 'I've lost entirely too much time there'. |
| 23:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ping |
| 23:25.15 | jnwhiteh | _rane: they're not bad at all once you wrap your head around them |
| 23:28.35 | cogwheel | fridays |
| 23:29.37 | Lopeppeppy | wednesdays. |
| 23:31.11 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@78-86-82-152.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 23:31.17 | alestane | Can anyone tell me the slot number for shoulders faster than I can look it up? |
| 23:31.39 | foxlit | 3! |
| 23:31.46 | foxlit | (no guarantee of correctness) |
| 23:31.50 | Lopeppeppy | 8! |
| 23:31.53 | Lopeppeppy | (same caveat) |
| 23:32.09 | alestane | Got it. (It did turn out to be 3). |
| 23:32.27 | _rane | jnwhiteh: mm, yeah, I'll have to experiment some more, thanks for your help |
| 23:32.32 | Cide- | I was hoping it'd be 6 |
| 23:32.37 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 23:32.37 | Cide- | in which case foxlit would still be correct |
| 23:32.44 | squidbear | How do you get a pet owners name? |
| 23:33.05 | Cide- | do you have the pet? |
| 23:33.08 | Cide- | does it have a collar? |
| 23:33.12 | squidbear | >_> |
| 23:33.14 | squidbear | <_< |
| 23:33.46 | squidbear | In the Blizzard tooltip it says "<name>'s Minion" or "<name>'s Pet" and I'm wondering how to get that information? I can't seem to find the right function(s). |
| 23:34.02 | Cide- | scan the tooltip |
| 23:34.15 | alestane | GetGuildInfo or something of the sort? |
| 23:34.45 | squidbear | ? |
| 23:34.54 | foxlit | I'd go with Cide-. |
| 23:35.19 | squidbear | What functions do I use to scan the tooltip? |
| 23:38.01 | jnwhiteh | +haste or +hit for a resto druid pvp |
| 23:38.03 | jnwhiteh | +hit i'm sure |
| 23:38.40 | squidbear | +hit=good |
| 23:38.46 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 23:41.07 | jnwhiteh | stun reduction, or silence reduced? |
| 23:41.14 | squidbear | I'm still not sure how to scan a tooltip for the pet's owner. |
| 23:41.25 | squidbear | For pvp or pve? |
| 23:41.41 | jnwhiteh | pvp |
| 23:41.48 | squidbear | I'd go the latter. |
| 23:41.49 | jnwhiteh | i could also gear for stamina |
| 23:41.49 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 23:41.55 | jnwhiteh | but the former question still applies |
| 23:42.08 | jnwhiteh | tho 26 stamina seems nice instead of 20 spell power *shrug* |
| 23:43.03 | squidbear | Get silence reduction imo. |
| 23:43.17 | squidbear | Then gear for stam if its not a huge tradeoff |
| 23:43.44 | jnwhiteh | well i am low on spell power too |
| 23:43.51 | jnwhiteh | but yeah its only 15 marks |
| 23:43.53 | jnwhiteh | which is easy :P |
| 23:43.58 | jnwhiteh | since i have nothing else to spend them on atm |
| 23:44.09 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 23:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | Buy me a pwny! *bats eyelashes* |
| 23:44.20 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 23:46.12 | jnwhiteh | or minor run speed increase |
| 23:46.12 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 23:47.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes, be selfish. *blows raspberries* |
| 23:50.11 | squidbear | Blizzard forum search sucks... I searched for "tooltip" and got 0 results. |
| 23:50.31 | jnwhiteh | the tooltip has font strings |
| 23:50.36 | jnwhiteh | you must scan them and look at the text |
| 23:50.46 | jnwhiteh | this is non-trivial to do in a locale-independent way |
| 23:51.06 | squidbear | But how do I know which string is which? Some units have 3 lines others have 4. |
| 23:51.23 | jnwhiteh | you have to scan it |
| 23:51.26 | jnwhiteh | hence why this is non-trivial |
| 23:51.32 | squidbear | I see... |
| 23:51.46 | squidbear | Some kind of regex-like thing? |
| 23:52.14 | jnwhiteh | you can use patterns, yes. |
| 23:52.18 | jnwhiteh | not regex, since lua doesn't have regex |
| 23:52.40 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 23:55.16 | Adys | could someone explain me the difference between the 185.19 and 185.18.x branches for the nvidia driver? |
| 23:55.28 | Adys | the 185.18.x look like they're a lot more up to date |
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| 23:57.23 | Cide- | lua> 2 > "0" |
| 23:57.25 | lua_bot | Cide-: luabot:1: attempt to compare string with number |
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| 23:58.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:58.32 | Kirov | lua> 2 > "0" + 0 |
| 23:58.33 | lua_bot | Kirov: true |
| 23:59.13 | squidbear | lua> 0 > "2" + 0 |
| 23:59.14 | lua_bot | squidbear: false |
