| 00:00.00 | Dagmar | That's the first time I couldn't tell from the search summaries I'd wandered into iffy-space |
| 00:00.18 | Lunessa | NSTGAW is too long/not as funny |
| 00:00.20 | Wobin | perhaps PUGST |
| 00:00.34 | Wobin | Possibly Unsuitable Google Search Terms |
| 00:01.13 | tekkub | how do you guys turn topics to fur, without me? |
| 00:01.22 | Wobin | It's your influence |
| 00:01.30 | Wobin | it's like a bearskin rug |
| 00:01.30 | Lunessa | tekkub: We know it sets off your alert notices |
| 00:01.41 | tekkub | just my name :P |
| 00:01.48 | Wobin | it's like pinging Arrowmaster with odd addon names |
| 00:01.52 | tekkub | I don't have a ping for "furry" or "hairy" :P |
| 00:02.08 | Lunessa | big fat hairy deal? |
| 00:03.58 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXPcBI4CJc8 |
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| 00:07.52 | Lunessa | I feel the future approaching like impeding doom. I'm setting account expiration dates in 2010 and I'm now living in the future I never thought I'd see. It's kind of disappointing, really. |
| 00:09.46 | Wobin | Lunessa: what shall we call the 2010s? |
| 00:09.46 | Thunder_Child | wth... |
| 00:09.46 | Thunder_Child | Soundtrack: |
| 00:09.46 | Thunder_Child | 1. "Scrubs" (1 episode, 2009) |
| 00:09.46 | Thunder_Child | - My Lawyer's in Love (2009) TV episode (writer: "Fuck You") |
| 00:11.06 | Dagmar | Helloooo malicious WP edits |
| 00:12.15 | Lunessa | WP suffers that a lot. |
| 00:14.29 | Lunessa | Haha... It's funny to see people who use the same user names as they use in wow post in other forums with no language restrictions. |
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| 00:20.15 | Wobin | ckknight: With that announcement, the My WoWAce link gets covered up by the search box =( |
| 00:24.26 | Pneumatus | as with like every page with a title longer than about 4 characters |
| 00:26.47 | Dagmar | Well, that's enough room for players to cry "NERF" |
| 00:28.30 | ckknight | Wobin: um, check it on beta.wowace.com |
| 00:28.32 | ckknight | :P |
| 00:29.14 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 00:33.41 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: ? |
| 00:34.00 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: nothing, just arbitary pinging of names |
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| 00:47.42 | Cralor` | I might be completely missing something here, but is there a way to change the current texture of a default object with a new texture in code? Specifically, I'd like to be able to change the textures of the DK Runes on-the-fly. |
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| 00:49.46 | AnduinLothar | SetTexture |
| 00:50.09 | Cralor` | Nevermind. I think I found something that will help |
| 00:51.52 | ckknight | AnduinLothar: I set your mom's texture last night |
| 00:51.56 | ckknight | hey-o! |
| 00:53.44 | AnduinLothar | old and wrinkly? |
| 00:54.54 | tekkub | don't talk about your mom's texture like that |
| 00:55.01 | tekkub | it's called "bump mapping", duh |
| 00:55.09 | Cralor` | lol! |
| 00:55.14 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 00:56.47 | Torhal | tekkub: For fuck's sake, why do we keep talking to these WM asshats? |
| 00:56.58 | tekkub | boredom? |
| 00:57.02 | Torhal | Probably. |
| 00:57.04 | Torhal | Feh. |
| 00:57.13 | tekkub | I also enjoy hearing myself say the same thing over and over again |
| 00:57.18 | tekkub | wait, no I don't |
| 00:57.20 | Torhal | Heh |
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| 01:03.17 | Cairenn | I think you guys just need to ignore them |
| 01:03.23 | Cairenn | I keep holding myself back |
| 01:03.33 | Cairenn | I'll admit, it's damn hard, though |
| 01:03.41 | Cairenn | I want to tell them to just go fuck themselves |
| 01:03.42 | Cairenn | but |
| 01:04.19 | Arrowmaster | where? |
| 01:04.41 | Cairenn | just people trying to start up old threads |
| 01:06.06 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24025 and http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
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| 01:14.06 | Wobin | rantrantrant |
| 01:14.15 | Cairenn | yup |
| 01:14.16 | Wobin | "Go home, and shut up, we don't care anymore" |
| 01:17.55 | Dagmar | You should just kill a few people publicly and then refuse to even discuss the issue furher. |
| 01:18.22 | Dagmar | It's long since gone into pure trollery in that it's wasting valuable time you could be using to say, carve things in your arm, or practice smoking crack. |
| 01:18.36 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 01:20.02 | Dagmar | Tehre's a nearly infinite number of trolling jackasses posting to internet forums. |
| 01:20.25 | Dagmar | ...but only 86400 seconds in the day. |
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| 01:22.46 | Cairenn | I have been trying to leave the threads open, I haven't wanted to lock them, and I thought it was finally actually dying down, but now we've got people trying to start it all up again |
| 01:22.57 | Cairenn | I'm wondering if I should just lock them at this point |
| 01:23.01 | Lunessa | life, too short to waste on things you don't derive benefit or joy by doing. |
| 01:23.10 | Dagmar | Honestly you should |
| 01:23.13 | Cralor` | I'd say lock em |
| 01:23.32 | Dagmar | This crap should have LONG since blown over by now. Instead it's hit a point of whassitcalled... |
| 01:24.09 | Dagmar | Well, at any rate instead of tapering off it's now a steady supply of the same jackassery over and over and over. |
| 01:24.36 | Cairenn | thing is, as soon as I do, they start up a bunch of other threads, instead of keeping it confined to one or two, and then people start bitching about how we're preventing anyone that disagrees with us from being able to speak their minds, blah blah blah |
| 01:24.42 | Wobin | Once upon a time I was falling in line |
| 01:24.46 | Wobin | Now there's only hate in my heart |
| 01:25.16 | Dagmar | I have no problem beating as many children to death as it takes. |
| 01:25.18 | Dagmar | ...but that's me. |
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| 01:27.17 | Dagmar | It might be time to collate all the insane-O arguments into a list, post that list and tell people who fail to read the simple answers to stupid questions they'll get a ban for trolling. |
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| 01:27.19 | Cralor` | freenode spam! |
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| 01:39.28 | Cairenn | NSFW: http://www.divine-interventions.com/baby.php (tekkub, you'll probably giggle) |
| 01:39.53 | Cralor` | what da... |
| 01:40.26 | NightHawkTheSane | giggles |
| 01:40.28 | tekkub | Trey wants one |
| 01:40.55 | Lunessa | ... Cairenn - You're a strangely twisted woman prowling dark and mysterious corners of the interwebz. |
| 01:41.08 | mikma | cairenn: thats almost as good as the obama dildo |
| 01:41.43 | Cairenn | Lunessa: this channel |
| 01:41.47 | Cairenn | Lunessa: QED |
| 01:42.04 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Yes. Terminus Est |
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| 02:11.58 | Ackis | hrm, how can I find out if a static pop-up is shown? aka I show a pop-up named "popup1" how can I do something when that pop-up is shown? |
| 02:14.02 | Arrowmaster | set the OnShow |
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| 02:17.56 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: it's a blizz one, I'm assuming that if it has no onshow, I don't have to hook, I can just create one? |
| 02:18.25 | Arrowmaster | i would test if it has one then, if it does hook it, if not create it |
| 02:18.54 | Ackis | I checked the code on wowcompares |
| 02:19.07 | Ackis | (still not sure about hooking so I'm playing safe :P) |
| 02:19.52 | Arrowmaster | but i suggested that incase somebody else is trying to check it too |
| 02:20.45 | Adys | Anyone running wow under d3d could screenshot me his mailbox with read mail in it? |
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| 02:24.35 | Thunder_Child | anyone know how to win cd on a netbook w/o an external HD or a flash drive? |
| 02:25.42 | Arrowmaster | PXE boot |
| 02:26.21 | Thunder_Child | hmm...right |
| 02:26.23 | Thunder_Child | thanks |
| 02:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | eh, that's absurdely painful |
| 02:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | unless you have a copy of windows server around |
| 02:27.51 | Thunder_Child | well do you know another way? |
| 02:28.48 | Thunder_Child | this would be so much easier if i could find my flash drive |
| 02:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | stick the HD in another computer, copy the disc to the drive, restart the computer booting off the cd, start p1 of the install, put the drive back in the laptop and resume install |
| 02:36.23 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* there is no disk i lose faster than a windows CD |
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| 02:39.12 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, in leau of doing that do you know of some software that will let you load another OS on another drive in a VM fashon? |
| 02:39.17 | Thunder_Child | eg. will vmare do it |
| 02:39.24 | Thunder_Child | vmware* |
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| 02:40.14 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 02:40.34 | Thunder_Child | bah, all i want to do is run the windows recover thing on i |
| 02:40.35 | Thunder_Child | t |
| 02:40.39 | Thunder_Child | recovery* |
| 02:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I do a fair bit of PXE stuff |
| 02:41.52 | Adys | Could someone using windows with d3d tell me which of those two he sees on read mail icons? http://devcub.com/~adys/icons.png |
| 02:41.59 | ScytheBlade1 | n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And it really just isn't something which is easily done |
| 02:42.34 | Thunder_Child | i used to use it |
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| 02:46.43 | Thunder_Child | actually ScytheBlade1, i'm not sure you understood what i meant since i can hardly ready it |
| 02:46.45 | Thunder_Child | dead* |
| 02:46.47 | Thunder_Child | read* |
| 02:49.18 | Kirov | Adys - the OpenGL ones |
| 02:49.24 | Adys | thanks |
| 02:49.35 | Kirov | That's what wow does when it thinks desaturation won't work on your D3D card |
| 02:49.51 | Adys | what's what wow does when it thinks so? |
| 02:49.55 | Adys | the d3d or opengl one? |
| 02:50.18 | Kirov | In that screenshot, OpenGL is "correct" in that it's desaturated instead of just dimmed. |
| 02:50.32 | Addybot | okay cheers |
| 02:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: trying to get to a recovery console? yeah, you just said "win cd" so I assumed you meant to install it |
| 02:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: can you boot the OS at all right now? What's broke? |
| 02:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654 if you can boot it + get network access |
| 02:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll give you an option in the MS bootloader for the recovery console |
| 02:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | No disc needed |
| 02:58.18 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, nope, keeps insta bsoding and goes to the normal/safe/last goo selection screen |
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| 02:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you've got a problem |
| 03:04.19 | Thunder_Child | ofen times simply loading into the win install thing will fix it since it overwrites parts of windos |
| 03:04.21 | Thunder_Child | windows* |
| 03:04.28 | Thunder_Child | often* |
| 03:30.07 | Addybot | anyone got ultraedit installed? |
| 03:30.11 | Addybot | (or is willing to install it) |
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| 03:45.32 | Kraps | anyone aware of an issue with DBM not loading in vault? |
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| 04:06.08 | Shirik|Ghost | C++ really needs a "finally" |
| 04:06.11 | Shirik|Ghost | is that in C++0x |
| 04:06.11 | Shirik|Ghost | ? |
| 04:08.00 | Shirik|Ghost | no it's not :( |
| 04:08.09 | Shirik|Ghost | I should create my own uber language |
| 04:08.20 | Shirik|Ghost | like C#/Java but without all the managedness |
| 04:09.03 | Kraps | hey guys |
| 04:09.23 | Kraps | anyone aware of an issue with DBM not loading in vault? |
| 04:09.31 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:09.36 | Arrowmaster | go ask on the dbm forums |
| 04:09.45 | Shirik|Ghost | you are |
| 04:10.12 | Kraps | yes |
| 04:10.25 | Kraps | and a few other people |
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| 04:14.11 | Arrowmaster | it looks weird when i post on the wowi forums when im bitching out somebody with the little "Addon Author" image for being a troll and i dont even have it |
| 04:15.20 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:16.06 | End | Arrowmaster is a troll imo |
| 04:16.10 | End | ~troll Arrowmaster |
| 04:16.10 | purl | ACTION hereby declares Arrowmaster a troll |
| 04:16.22 | End | I didnt even know if ~troll existed. :P |
| 04:16.31 | Arrowmaster | i only troll trolls |
| 04:16.32 | Arrowmaster | and Fisker- |
| 04:16.47 | Arrowmaster | ~Fisker--- |
| 04:16.52 | End | but Fisker- is already a troll... |
| 04:17.05 | Arrowmaster | ~karma Fisker- |
| 04:17.05 | purl | fisker- has karma of -10 |
| 04:17.22 | Arrowmaster | ~karma Arrowmaster |
| 04:17.22 | purl | arrowmaster has karma of 3 |
| 04:17.29 | End | ~karma purl |
| 04:17.29 | purl | purl has karma of 31 |
| 04:17.30 | Arrowmaster | wow i have karma |
| 04:17.41 | Arrowmaster | how did that happen |
| 04:19.01 | End | ~Arrowmaster++ |
| 04:19.04 | End | that's how! |
| 04:19.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah but i dont know how that first 3 happened without me seeing it from it highlighting me |
| 04:19.43 | End | oh, I dunno |
| 04:19.49 | End | maybe they did it when your back was turned |
| 04:19.55 | End | ;-p |
| 04:20.07 | Arrowmaster | would have been flashing red when i turned back around |
| 04:20.20 | Arrowmaster | and beeped too |
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| 04:35.40 | End | net fail |
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| 04:59.53 | Thunder_Child | wow, chksdk is using 1.2GB of ram |
| 04:59.58 | Thunder_Child | chkdsk* |
| 05:03.18 | Shirik|Ghost | It needs to load the entire disk into memory |
| 05:03.28 | Shirik|Ghost | is the most efficient way to check |
| 05:04.34 | Thunder_Child | well no one has that much ram...with the possible exception of google |
| 05:04.50 | Shirik|Ghost | lol I doubt even google |
| 05:05.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, all of their searches are run off of ram |
| 05:05.13 | Shirik|Ghost | Though I wouldn't be surprised if they were running on tons of ssds |
| 05:05.26 | Shirik|Ghost | true, but that would be expensive as hell, even for them |
| 05:05.31 | Shirik|Ghost | considering they probably run off SRAM too |
| 05:05.36 | ZorbaTHut | a few years ago Google said that they had 200,000 computers |
| 05:05.41 | ZorbaTHut | you can do the math on how much RAM that is ;) |
| 05:05.46 | End | indeed |
| 05:05.50 | Shirik|Ghost | Well sure |
| 05:05.50 | Shirik|Ghost | they distribute the load |
| 05:05.57 | Shirik|Ghost | that doesn't really count as having the whole drive in memory imo |
| 05:07.05 | Thunder_Child | i mean they have a specific server farm that is almost nothing but ram since it only does the searches |
| 05:08.29 | Thunder_Child | let me see if i can find the article |
| 05:10.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ghost, http://www.labnol.org/internet/search/google-query-uses-1000-machines/7433/ |
| 05:11.08 | Shirik|Ghost | sure |
| 05:11.17 | mikma | remember the times when bbs' were being used! no google! |
| 05:11.23 | Shirik|Ghost | but I'm not sure I consider that "keeping the entire hard drive in memory" |
| 05:11.30 | Shirik|Ghost | bad mikma |
| 05:11.38 | Shirik|Ghost | bbses, not bbs' and not bbs's |
| 05:11.45 | mikma | bbsex |
| 05:11.45 | Shirik|Ghost | the apostrophe indicates possession |
| 05:12.09 | mikma | bbses sounds, and looks stupid =( |
| 05:12.40 | Shirik|Ghost | blame the creators of the english language |
| 05:12.55 | Shirik|Ghost | it's just a pet peeve of mine where people decide that they think apostrophe is supposed to be used for plurals for some reason |
| 05:13.01 | mikma | ok, who are they and where do they live? |
| 05:13.21 | Shirik|Ghost | you will have to hack the matrix to find that one out |
| 05:13.27 | mikma | shirik|ghost: i think you can forgive considering finnish is my mainlanguage... |
| 05:13.52 | mikma | forgive me* |
| 05:13.59 | mikma | i need mohr sleep |
| 05:14.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, tbh i think it would be using less but for the fact that i did /r instead of /f, but regardless i still have free ram space and it's still not using it all up |
| 05:15.42 | mikma | gah, again the same deal: wife sleeping in X, 2/4 of bed. pets, 1/4 of bed. rest (1/4), me... |
| 05:16.06 | Thunder_Child | mikma, you need to assert your right as male...or buy a bigger bed |
| 05:16.56 | mikma | thunder_child: i'm fine with the 2/4 of the bed put pets arent ok with that =D and this is a big bed |
| 05:18.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slashweb.org/programming/25-best-programmer-webcomic-strips.html |
| 05:18.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it's interesting how MOST of those are xkcd strips |
| 05:18.13 | Thunder_Child | mikma, you can always buy a bigger bed. though to be fair i have a large bed and i can use up all of it since i seem to wake up diagnally across the whole thing |
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| 05:19.13 | mikma | thunder_child: thats a sign of big bed. i think this is 160cm X 180cm (width X lenght) |
| 05:21.19 | Thunder_Child | 5x6...ya, that seems like a queen or so |
| 05:22.23 | mikma | no you are! anyway, nn =) |
| 05:22.47 | mikma | continues to push pets to wifes side |
| 05:24.44 | Shirik|Ghost | mikma: That's nothing |
| 05:24.51 | Shirik|Ghost | my dad tends to get 1/8 of the bed |
| 05:24.54 | Shirik|Ghost | my mom, 3/8 |
| 05:24.57 | Shirik|Ghost | the dogs, the other half |
| 05:25.10 | Shirik|Ghost | and here's the best part |
| 05:25.25 | Shirik|Ghost | one of them, they'll see my dad going to bed, and they're already on the bed |
| 05:25.33 | Shirik|Ghost | they'll move over to take as much as they can before he gets in |
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| 05:30.09 | End | lol |
| 05:30.20 | End | Every base is base 10 |
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| 05:42.32 | Shirik|Ghost | I swear to god if I see another WM vs. etc. thread flame up I'm going to start going on a banning spree |
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| 05:44.25 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ghost, some people like to compare and contrast you know |
| 05:44.40 | Shirik|Ghost | good, do it in the 5 million other threads that exist |
| 05:44.57 | Shirik|Ghost | and sure as HELL don't do it in threads that are NOT for that purpose |
| 05:45.10 | batrick | rage up friend |
| 05:45.35 | Thunder_Child | he isnt Fisker- |
| 05:45.47 | Shirik|Ghost | what does that mean |
| 05:46.25 | Thunder_Child | Shirik != Fisker- |
| 05:46.54 | Shirik|Ghost | Warning: Comparison of two strings via == or != |
| 05:48.20 | End | == might work how you expect, if they're both constants :P |
| 05:49.41 | Shirik|Ghost | I think Fisker- is volatile |
| 05:50.03 | End | true |
| 05:50.18 | Shirik|Ghost | and I believe "volatile" and "const" cannot be used together |
| 05:50.42 | End | I really don't know. |
| 05:51.15 | Shirik|Ghost | oh wow they can |
| 05:51.18 | Shirik|Ghost | that's odd |
| 05:51.22 | Shirik|Ghost | oh I guess it can make sense |
| 05:51.34 | Shirik|Ghost | a const volatile would be something YOU can't change, but someone else might be allowed to change it |
| 05:51.47 | Shirik|Ghost | like |
| 05:51.56 | End | that doesn't sound very helpful to the compiler though |
| 05:52.19 | Shirik|Ghost | volatile int foo; void bar(const volatile* myFoo) { ... do something with foo ... } ......... bar(&foo); |
| 05:52.53 | Shirik|Ghost | or better yet |
| 05:53.17 | Shirik|Ghost | class MyClass { volatile int foo; void bar() const; } |
| 05:53.23 | Shirik|Ghost | bar can access foo, but only as a const volatile |
| 05:54.00 | sylvanaar | const volite? |
| 05:54.15 | Shirik|Ghost | it seems odd |
| 05:54.19 | Shirik|Ghost | but once I realized the use case it makes sense |
| 05:54.28 | Shirik|Ghost | despite the fact that it probably never comes up |
| 05:54.30 | sylvanaar | they are the 2 type modifiers |
| 05:55.04 | sylvanaar | ie they are part of a type |
| 05:55.07 | sylvanaar | but yeah |
| 05:55.12 | sylvanaar | not at the same time |
| 05:55.19 | Shirik|Ghost | sure at the same time |
| 05:55.24 | Shirik|Ghost | volatile int foo; void bar(const volatile int* myFoo) { ... do something with foo ... } ......... bar(&foo); |
| 05:55.29 | Shirik|Ghost | rare, but certainly possible |
| 05:55.50 | sylvanaar | googles |
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| 05:56.05 | Shirik|Ghost | Look, let's say you want to make someone else not be able to modify something |
| 05:56.15 | Shirik|Ghost | But you can modify it, and moreover you might modify it from another thread |
| 05:56.20 | Shirik|Ghost | then it would be "const volatile" |
| 05:56.29 | sylvanaar | its on wikipedia |
| 05:56.32 | sylvanaar | goddamn |
| 05:56.33 | Shirik|Ghost | the compiler must not optimize it, however it cannot be modified /in that context/ |
| 05:56.57 | sylvanaar | const volatile int & hardwareRegister = *reinterpret_cast<int*>(0x8000); |
| 05:57.12 | Shirik|Ghost | hey that's a great example |
| 05:57.19 | Shirik|Ghost | read-only registers |
| 05:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | stabs squid for not supporting ipv6 |
| 05:59.22 | Shirik|Ghost | stabs ScytheBlade1 for not supporting Shirik's internet |
| 05:59.52 | Thunder_Child | ~wowalert |
| 05:59.53 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 06:00.17 | Shirik|Ghost | I think I will go play L4D for a while |
| 06:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | L4D is an amazing game |
| 06:00.34 | Shirik|Ghost | yes, yes it is |
| 06:00.40 | Shirik|Ghost | however I was playing on what I thought was easy |
| 06:00.45 | Shirik|Ghost | and when I finished it said normal |
| 06:00.45 | Thunder_Child | horrid game |
| 06:00.49 | Thunder_Child | so repeditive |
| 06:00.49 | Shirik|Ghost | but it was WAY too easy to be normal |
| 06:00.53 | Shirik|Ghost | is normal really easy? |
| 06:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 06:01.05 | Tem | I'm gonna go play some demos |
| 06:01.15 | Tem | Wolvering looks like it might be fun |
| 06:01.20 | Thunder_Child | it is |
| 06:01.22 | Tem | ditto Force Unleashed |
| 06:01.27 | Thunder_Child | i'm almost done wiith it |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik|Ghost | ok well I will go play on hard now |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik|Ghost | baibai |
| 06:01.42 | Tem | Shirik|Ghost, less console games |
| 06:01.49 | Tem | more rerolling alliance on my server |
| 06:02.05 | Shirik|Ghost | :< |
| 06:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | weakling |
| 06:02.06 | Thunder_Child | Tem, L4D isnt console....at least not only |
| 06:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Go play on expert |
| 06:02.10 | Shirik|Ghost | On 8K/s? |
| 06:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually hard would probably thrash you |
| 06:02.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The bots suck |
| 06:02.34 | Shirik|Ghost | I still won't have internet for at least another week it seems |
| 06:02.48 | Tem | but you're on the internet right now? |
| 06:02.54 | ScytheBlade1 | via blackberry |
| 06:02.54 | Shirik|Ghost | I'm on my cell phone |
| 06:03.28 | Tem | :( |
| 06:03.28 | Shirik|Ghost | we were told it was turned on today |
| 06:03.30 | sylvanaar | http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2007/11/30/volatile-almost-useless-for-multi-threaded-programming/ |
| 06:03.34 | Shirik|Ghost | however, I have no idea how the hell to get it |
| 06:03.42 | Shirik|Ghost | The geniuses said we don't need a modem |
| 06:03.58 | Shirik|Ghost | I told them that wasn't possible, and they said "ok we'll come out on tuesday to see why you can't get it to work" |
| 06:04.15 | Shirik|Ghost | I really didn't know what to say at that point |
| 06:04.21 | Shirik|Ghost | they said all we need is a router |
| 06:04.29 | Shirik|Ghost | I didn't bother asking wtf they want me to plug the router into |
| 06:04.42 | Shirik|Ghost | maybe they meant to connect it to the neighbor's network and act as a forwarder |
| 06:04.45 | Shirik|Ghost | repeater* |
| 06:06.19 | Wobin | oh hm, what's PDT at the moment? |
| 06:06.34 | End | 11pm? |
| 06:07.04 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:07.10 | Wobin | meh, only an hour |
| 06:07.18 | End | maybe it's pie o clock |
| 06:09.36 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|Ghost: what ISP and what type of service is it suppost to be? |
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| 06:55.18 | Xinhuan | what's a good icon that can represent the AH? |
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| 06:59.17 | Corrodias | well, a gavel would work, since there's no courthouse |
| 07:00.06 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=gavel |
| 07:00.07 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 07:00.12 | Xinhuan | none of those look very AH-ish ;p |
| 07:00.27 | Corrodias | oh, interesting. okay, a WoW icon... hmm... |
| 07:02.10 | Taroven | Alright, so I'm curious... |
| 07:02.53 | Taroven | My rogue just got the ulduar 10 trashdrop mace. |
| 07:03.03 | Taroven | Got a KT's Reach sitting in my bags doing nothing. |
| 07:03.42 | Taroven | If I were to go combat, would Close Quarters Combat apply its crit to both weapons (since there is a fist/dagger equipped), or does it apply its crit independently? |
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| 07:04.21 | Taroven | I know expertise applies to individual hands, but not so sure about cqc crit. =\ |
| 07:04.22 | Corrodias | sorry, man, i don't know of a good icon for you |
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| 07:18.00 | Shirik|Ghost | Arrowmaster: It's called "gorge net" and as far as I can tell it's DSL |
| 07:18.08 | Shirik|Ghost | there are some interesting aspects, though |
| 07:18.16 | Shirik|Ghost | such as the ethernet cable coming into the houes that we have no idea what it's for |
| 07:18.19 | Shirik|Ghost | (it's a dead cable) |
| 07:18.56 | Arrowmaster | this an actual house and not like an apartment complex? |
| 07:19.10 | Shirik|Ghost | yes |
| 07:19.30 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 07:19.48 | Shirik|Ghost | and there is an ethernet cable coming into one of the rooms through a wall |
| 07:19.52 | Shirik|Ghost | and we have absolutely no idea where it goes |
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| 07:20.20 | Arrowmaster | well it goes somewhere less than 300 feet away, does that help? |
| 07:20.27 | Shirik|Ghost | lol |
| 07:20.31 | tekkub | Cairenn: http://www.johnnywander.com/comics/71 |
| 07:20.35 | Shirik|Ghost | we DID find something outside that says DSL on it |
| 07:20.38 | Shirik|Ghost | but nothing really useful |
| 07:20.56 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:21.04 | Arrowmaster | it should be some sort of terminal box, not have a fucking modem or something in it |
| 07:23.14 | Shirik|Ghost | so we're confused to hell |
| 07:23.29 | Shirik|Ghost | I think we're going to go to their building (we found it today randomly) and ask them wtf |
| 07:23.33 | Shirik|Ghost | and see if we can't set it up ourselves |
| 07:23.56 | Thunder_Child | i need my D3 fix |
| 07:24.13 | Shirik|Ghost | anyway, night night |
| 07:25.17 | Arrowmaster | if they ran a cat5 cable to your home they probably need to come out and fix it (and fire the stupid contractor they had install it) unless their system really does use ethernet or ethernet like cabling to the house |
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| 07:40.13 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ToggleWorldMap'. |
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| 08:14.58 | _rane | I'm looking for an addon that shows magic auras on target (mainly buffs on hostiles and debuffs on friendlies), any suggestions? |
| 08:15.18 | _rane | Pitbull doesn't do such filtering, afaik |
| 08:15.42 | pb_ee1 | i'm pretty sure it does but you need to tweak it a bit xD |
| 08:15.48 | Thunder_Child | pitbull does |
| 08:16.05 | Aelobin | oh ffs xD |
| 08:16.19 | Thunder_Child | i have pitbull set up to show only things i can buff or dispell |
| 08:16.21 | Aelobin | i get up early to ensure that i can get into the account & billing support phone queues when the lines open |
| 08:16.27 | Aelobin | and my transfer just worked rofl >_< |
| 08:16.28 | _rane | Thunder_Child: on target frame? |
| 08:16.57 | Thunder_Child | _rane, yes, though that is a side effect |
| 08:17.04 | _rane | the thing is I'd like it to show other buffs as well |
| 08:17.23 | Thunder_Child | you can have it show all buffs |
| 08:17.34 | _rane | I know, but then magic buffs wouldn't be distinct |
| 08:18.56 | Thunder_Child | well there is the ability to have your buffs/debuffs show up slightly different. you could hack it to do that for magic, or you could request it as a feature |
| 08:19.19 | _rane | yeah |
| 08:19.55 | _rane | or I could write a simple addon that just anchors magic buffs/debuffs somewhere depending on the target reaction |
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| 09:52.17 | Wobin | yeay, hullo DK tank nerf |
| 09:52.54 | zenzio | oh? Details plix |
| 09:54.00 | Wobin | Frost Presence: Armor bonus is now 60% down from 80%. |
| 09:54.07 | Wobin | old news |
| 09:54.12 | Wobin | but being implemented tonight |
| 09:56.14 | Hjalte | I feel sorry for the DK tanks... Oh wait. No :D |
| 09:57.04 | Wobin | Schadenfreude, eh? |
| 09:58.07 | Hjalte | Some say it's the best kind of freude. |
| 09:58.42 | zenzio | I do believe DK tanks were bad for the old tanks. Unintentionally so, but they are just "too good" |
| 09:58.43 | Hjalte | I do a bit of tanking on my druid. It hurts all the other tanks when one is OP. |
| 09:58.50 | zenzio | then again, I'm a warrior tank, so I'm biased |
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| 09:59.53 | Hjalte | zenzio: Naw, biased is fine, my mum says feelings is good! |
| 10:00.05 | Hjalte | Oh, and I fail at english. |
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| 10:31.34 | Elkano | Torhal|Sleep ping? |
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| 10:51.54 | Torhal | Elkano: pong. Going to work |
| 10:52.43 | Elkano | morning :) |
| 10:53.01 | Torhal | Yola. Gotta go to work in a sec |
| 10:53.32 | Elkano | wrt the scrollframe error reported in the qtc thread, it#s most likely if a tooltip was acquired from a version before scrolling was added. |
| 10:53.57 | Elkano | since the scrollframe/child will only be added to new tooltips |
| 10:54.06 | Torhal | Ah |
| 10:54.22 | Torhal | Gah. Sorry, I need to leave now or be late for work :( |
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| 11:06.19 | DWSR | Anyone got a mirror link for 3.1.3? |
| 11:06.21 | DWSR | enUS |
| 11:08.00 | Fisker- | a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 11:09.12 | DWSR | how do mac users get their patches? Mac Universal Bins? |
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| 11:30.52 | phyber | DWSR: maybe. |
| 11:30.53 | phyber | WoW-3.1.1.9835-to-3.1.2.9901-enGB-patch.app/Contents/MacOS$ file Installer |
| 11:30.54 | phyber | Installer: Mach-O fat file with 2 architectures |
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| 11:40.07 | DWSR | odd... |
| 11:40.14 | DWSR | I'm getting an "Unable to validate game version" error.. |
| 11:40.24 | DWSR | They just not updated the auth servers with the new game version yet? |
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| 12:00.48 | foxlit | "Beware, if you have a copy of the SavedVariables.lua in other locations than the correct one (specifically in your World of Warcraft directory, but possibly not limited to it), then it will be loaded INSTEAD of the one in your account, yet the account one is saved upon logout. This gives the appearance of all addons forgetting their configuration, and can be solved by renaming or deleting the errant copy." |
| 12:00.51 | foxlit | who knew. |
| 12:11.33 | zenzio | say what? |
| 12:11.49 | Jrdcl | When UNIT_AURA is fired, it contains only the unitid and no data about what aura triggered the event, correct? Is there any way to easily determine what aura was gained/lost from the unit in question? |
| 12:14.51 | foxlit | yes. no. |
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| 12:18.36 | Jrdcl | Seems like my only options are to monitor combat log events (painful) or keep an updated aura 'state' list for the unit(s) i'm interested in (sounds like a terrible plan) :/ |
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| 12:38.15 | dardack | is there a way to make a list inside a scrolling window with checkmarks to select inside that list or something |
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| 12:38.20 | dardack | dont' think i'm saying it right |
| 12:38.40 | alestane | Nope, can't say I'm clear yet on what you want. |
| 12:40.09 | dardack | ok like i want a list say 1. 2. 3. ... X, list from top to bottom, in a set frame, with scrolling to go down if the list is larger than the frame, than next to each 1. 2. 3....X have a checkmark as selected or nothing as not |
| 12:40.59 | alestane | I presume you mean in WoW. |
| 12:41.19 | dardack | yes sorry |
| 12:41.57 | alestane | Then, yes, although it'll be at least a little "roll your own"...look into FauxScrollFrame. |
| 12:42.16 | zenzio | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:42.23 | dardack | what do you mean by roll your own? |
| 12:43.15 | alestane | I mean, there's no magic "list-of-values" widget that automatically implements scrolling or anything. |
| 12:43.27 | Lopeppeppy | morning, zenzio! |
| 12:43.38 | dardack | ok |
| 12:45.07 | dardack | a lot of stuff i'm reading tho says not to use FauxScrollFrame that there are almost always other ways to do what you want to do |
| 12:45.42 | alestane | I've never actually used it myself. It depends somewhat on how many controls you're likely to have. |
| 12:45.57 | alestane | Although I believe that FauxScrollFrame got a rewrite a while ago. |
| 12:46.17 | alestane | Wow, antagonistic much? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367604130&sid=1 |
| 12:56.03 | Cide | it's a valid question/whatever |
| 12:56.06 | foxlit | "1) GetEquipmentSetInfoByName returns a name, whereas SaveEquipmentSet requires an ID. More on this in a bit. " << but it also returns an index. Link him wowwiki |
| 12:56.45 | foxlit | The icon is probably a more serious problem. |
| 12:56.46 | Cide | alright, then they're just stupid |
| 12:57.07 | foxlit | FrameXML never acknowledges that the index exists |
| 12:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | Icons aren't a serious problem, they are an inconvenience at best. |
| 12:59.42 | alestane | Patch? |
| 12:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | Dunno. |
| 12:59.54 | zenzio | http://www.27bslash6.com/strata.html |
| 13:00.00 | foxlit | EU says it'll go live wednesday. |
| 13:00.50 | alestane | Class tweaks, looks like. |
| 13:01.19 | alestane | "Chaos Bolt no longer ignores damage reduction effects on the target." That'll hack some people off. |
| 13:01.42 | zenzio | "Also renamed 'Not quite so Chaotic Bolt'" |
| 13:03.07 | dardack | where can i look at FriendsFrame.xml? |
| 13:03.28 | zenzio | have you extracted the interface code? |
| 13:03.29 | alestane | wowcompares.com |
| 13:04.02 | dardack | zenzio prolly not |
| 13:04.05 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 13:04.06 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 13:04.12 | dardack | in fact i would say i'm like 100% sure i ahven't |
| 13:04.17 | dardack | i have the kit |
| 13:04.19 | zenzio | dardack: then use either the link alestane gave you, or extract it with the tool foxlit linked |
| 13:04.21 | foxlit | Run it |
| 13:04.25 | foxlit | Extract data |
| 13:04.27 | dardack | i did |
| 13:04.35 | dardack | but i only see artwork/tutorial |
| 13:04.37 | foxlit | Then go to World of Warcraft/Blizzard Interface Data (enUS)/FrameXML/ |
| 13:04.48 | dardack | ok let me try again |
| 13:04.51 | dardack | thought i extracted both |
| 13:05.12 | dardack | btw the wow.com/ui is not valid |
| 13:05.25 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 13:05.40 | dardack | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 |
| 13:05.47 | dardack | http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip |
| 13:05.53 | foxlit | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 |
| 13:06.59 | foxlit | Hm, how silly. They've 404'ed a link that's on their own navigation sidebar. |
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| 13:08.07 | dardack | heh |
| 13:08.37 | zenzio | ponders |
| 13:08.45 | zenzio | how long have you been Danish foxlit? o_O |
| 13:09.18 | foxlit | It must be one of them trick questions like "When have you stopped doing drugs, foxlit?" |
| 13:09.31 | foxlit | Or even "Have you stopped doing drugs yet, foxlit?" |
| 13:09.49 | foxlit | zenzio: Not yet. |
| 13:09.52 | zenzio | more like "I would have thought I'd noticed by now that you were" |
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| 13:12.57 | foxlit | Though, to be fair, it'd be much more awesome if the equipment manager API took a texture path rather than an icon index. |
| 13:13.44 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree, that feature could be different. But there's so much QQ over such a nice addition, because it's not perfect.... do not look gift cookies in the mouth, says I. |
| 13:14.47 | zenzio | I'm not sure I understood that expression o_O |
| 13:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy-personalizing "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" |
| 13:15.46 | zenzio | I'm not sure I understood that expression either o_O |
| 13:16.53 | Lopeppeppy | When inspecting a horse for soundness, one thing that you do is inspect their teeth and gums. The phrase refers to "when you get something freely, don't spend so much time analyzing it for flaws that you ruin the gift" |
| 13:17.27 | dardack | sigh nerf to my dk tank |
| 13:18.06 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: I see. I guess I'm not well versed in horses |
| 13:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | It's a pretty American phrase, zenzio. We're just weird. |
| 13:19.42 | Fisker- | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:19.44 | Fisker- | you! |
| 13:19.48 | zenzio | me! |
| 13:19.58 | Fisker- | yes you |
| 13:38.02 | Wobin | couldn't be |
| 13:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | It was. |
| 13:40.05 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: No there is no issue with wowwiki linking to wowprogramming.com |
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| 13:40.15 | jnwhiteh | and I can probably come to an arrangement that lets them display the content as well |
| 13:40.20 | jnwhiteh | there just has to be an agreement :P |
| 13:40.25 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:41.03 | jnwhiteh | Adys: thanks for the page edi t:P |
| 13:41.08 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Lunessa. |
| 13:41.08 | jnwhiteh | takes a nap |
| 13:41.14 | Adys | jnwhiteh: which? |
| 13:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | Jet lag is the suck. |
| 13:41.24 | jnwhiteh | the event page you edited |
| 13:41.29 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:41.32 | Fisker- | rages |
| 13:41.33 | Adys | the wot |
| 13:41.35 | jnwhiteh | there may have been more than one, that was just a quick glance of the rss feed :P |
| 13:41.40 | Adys | oh on wowprog |
| 13:41.46 | Adys | thought you meant qq |
| 13:41.48 | Adys | ww* |
| 13:42.11 | jnwhiteh | lol no |
| 13:50.30 | Lunessa | Getting a battle.net account comes with unexpected side-effects. |
| 13:50.38 | nevcairiel | such as? |
| 13:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | Like leprosy? |
| 13:51.49 | Lunessa | Like, I can't login to the forums, even though the forums are up. |
| 13:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | Ohh. Bad. |
| 13:52.09 | nevcairiel | they just don't want you anymore |
| 13:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | That could also be Tuesday suckage, Lunessa, the auth servers can be frakked on Tuesdays. |
| 13:52.37 | Lopeppeppy | When I try to log in I get a server error. |
| 13:52.39 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: They never wanted me. /cry |
| 13:52.55 | nevcairiel | I get a "This service is not available." on login |
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| 13:53.19 | nevcairiel | with a bnet account |
| 13:53.30 | Justproud2b | hi all |
| 13:53.51 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Justproud2b |
| 13:54.40 | Justproud2b | is it cool if i ask an opinion about something? it has to do with auction house stuff |
| 13:54.48 | Justproud2b | i need people who do ah frequent |
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| 13:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | ~asktoask |
| 13:55.01 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 13:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | Bring it on, Justproud2b, see who is awake. |
| 13:55.12 | Justproud2b | lol |
| 13:55.32 | Justproud2b | crud brb |
| 13:55.48 | Lunessa | Holly hell... the forums are necro thread city. I'm thinking I need some goddamned zombie repellant! |
| 13:56.04 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... the ones who can log in on Tuesdays are friggin BORED! |
| 13:56.13 | Lopeppeppy | If they resurrect a WM thread, I will kill them myself. |
| 13:56.37 | nevcairiel | dino going all mad |
| 13:56.46 | Justproud2b | back i hate dogs and doorbells lol |
| 13:57.36 | Justproud2b | ok so I am trying to get into the ah selling ... theres a guy on our server that during the week monopolizes the ah by way undercutting |
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| 13:58.04 | Justproud2b | people just take it as defeat ... anyone know any good ways to nip him at the knees lol |
| 13:58.19 | Lopeppeppy | Unless you want to undercut him still more, nope. |
| 13:58.31 | Lopeppeppy | You can always price yourself just above him, so when his sells, yours is next in line. |
| 13:58.39 | nevcairiel | Get a good share of gold to start with, buy his shit out, and put it in on proper prices |
| 13:58.48 | Justproud2b | hah |
| 13:58.51 | Justproud2b | i was thinking that |
| 13:59.09 | Justproud2b | cuz if me and my friends all buy out and repost he has to run out of things eventually |
| 13:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | In theory. |
| 13:59.50 | Justproud2b | bad part is its de mats since were all enchanters so u get them as soon as u loose them lol |
| 13:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | Just make sure that you're still making money while doing all of those buyouts. He may be the front for his entire guild to auction their things, for instance... so he could have endless supplies. |
| 14:00.49 | Justproud2b | i just refuse to accept i cant sell till sat when all his things sell lol |
| 14:00.53 | alestane | Bah, can't log back into the forums. |
| 14:00.55 | Justproud2b | thats what i was basically told |
| 14:01.20 | nevcairiel | undercut by one copper then =P |
| 14:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | Then either live with it, or undercut him. |
| 14:01.35 | Justproud2b | yea i'll try it |
| 14:01.51 | Justproud2b | i just got into it right before matenence so i really didnt have much time |
| 14:02.43 | Lunessa | What you have is a social problem, not an addon or technology problem. Your best bet is to either compete with him on pricing, or in other social venues. |
| 14:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | I can be a very unwise thing to cut yourself close to maintenance on anything important... sometimes, the computer eats the last few minutes of the countdown. |
| 14:03.16 | Lunessa | Note: Trashing someone's reputation on the realm because they're better at making AH money than you is likely to backfire. |
| 14:03.30 | Justproud2b | i was trashing anyones rep |
| 14:03.44 | Justproud2b | i was just trying to find out how to play the game which you told me :) |
| 14:03.53 | Lunessa | I didn't say you were, I was just adding a disclaimer. |
| 14:04.12 | Justproud2b | well with trashing rep I look at that on how it works against me |
| 14:04.18 | Justproud2b | i never want to be that kind of person |
| 14:05.07 | Justproud2b | i really love this addon though I find new things I can do with it every day |
| 14:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | Auctioneer? |
| 14:05.53 | Justproud2b | yea |
| 14:06.09 | Justproud2b | that and gatherer are the 2 must have addons I always tell people to get |
| 14:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | They even have their own channel... #norganna if I'm remembering correctly |
| 14:06.22 | ZorbaTHut | just, sounds like he's doing a great job of providing a useful service at a good price, and making money on the side. what's the problem? ;) |
| 14:06.25 | Justproud2b | because the sooner you start collecting data the easier your life will be |
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| 14:07.11 | alestane | Nope, login server just does not like me right now. |
| 14:07.29 | Justproud2b | yea I auto joined there but it said on website to join this for general |
| 14:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | alestane love, it's Tuesday, it doesn't like anyone. |
| 14:08.12 | Justproud2b | did you atleast get your patch to download past 10% lol |
| 14:08.24 | alestane | It finished in a minute and a quarter. |
| 14:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | Answers the question, there's a patch. |
| 14:09.10 | Justproud2b | yea they made slight changes to each class |
| 14:09.16 | Justproud2b | its like 1 per class though |
| 14:09.23 | Justproud2b | so its not as horrible as it has been |
| 14:09.42 | Lopeppeppy | Change is change, change is good. |
| 14:10.06 | Justproud2b | i was just tired of respec's even if they were free :) |
| 14:10.07 | alestane | Mostly nerfs, although I like the change to Bloodthirst. |
| 14:11.14 | Lunessa | yay, change. little, yellow, not-so-different |
| 14:11.26 | ZorbaTHut | nice warrior buff |
| 14:11.31 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, Lunessa. |
| 14:12.06 | Lunessa | All I want is the damned patcher to work correctly when I have more than one copy of the game installed. That's all I'm asking. |
| 14:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | Notes aren't posted yet, bummer. |
| 14:12.41 | Justproud2b | if u open wow the patch notes should pop up I am looking at them now |
| 14:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | Some of us are at work, Justproud2b... |
| 14:13.00 | Justproud2b | ah |
| 14:13.05 | Justproud2b | what class you play? |
| 14:13.38 | |Jelly| | Peppy plays the new dino class. It rawrs while it bakes cookies. |
| 14:13.41 | alestane | " * Eye For An Eye: This talent now deals 5/10% of the critical strike damage taken by the paladin back at the attacker. |
| 14:13.42 | alestane | " * Hand of Freedom: The base duration of this buff has been reduced from 10 seconds to 6 seconds." |
| 14:14.10 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, alestane. Neither are overly crucial to my healing strategy, but good to know. |
| 14:14.35 | Justproud2b | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=60458.0 |
| 14:14.42 | Justproud2b | if u want the full patchnotes |
| 14:15.22 | Lopeppeppy | Guess it just hadn't filtered through my blue-tracker RSS yet, thank you. |
| 14:15.47 | Justproud2b | np |
| 14:16.30 | Lunessa | Dino Class * Bake Cookies will now properly deaggro all Forum Posters in a 100-yard radius. you're welcome. |
| 14:16.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh, Lunessa, you're my favorite designer! |
| 14:17.06 | Lunessa | * RAWR - Now locks threads. |
| 14:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, if only! |
| 14:17.21 | Justproud2b | i <3 locks |
| 14:17.28 | Lunessa | * Biohazard - actually gets some attention now. Sorry. |
| 14:18.12 | Justproud2b | alright I'm out i've pestered enough lol have a good patch day everyone! :) |
| 14:18.49 | Lunessa | "Your computer appears to be behind a firewall." No shit, Sherlock. I ain't running the net naked, you know? |
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| 14:19.42 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 14:20.18 | _rane | sort of a rookie question but can I call functions in the WoW console I have defined in my addon to debug and stuff? |
| 14:20.29 | Lunessa | is a grumpy-gus this morning. |
| 14:20.29 | |Jelly| | Sounds kinky, Lunessa |
| 14:21.14 | foxlit | If those functions are global and your definition of "console" is actually the chat box, then yes. |
| 14:21.51 | _rane | yeah, thanks .) |
| 14:22.29 | Lunessa | I swear, we need to get foxlit his own 1/2-hour sitcom - his delivery is better than anything ever on Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond |
| 14:22.49 | Fisker- | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:23.05 | Lunessa | ~whalenuke Fisker- |
| 14:23.06 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker- with his mind powers. |
| 14:23.33 | _rane | if there is a better environment for trying out random stuff in WoW API than the chat box or through addon, I'd appreciate your input |
| 14:24.17 | Lunessa | _rane: No, there isn't. |
| 14:25.36 | |Jelly| | Wow. DK nerfs again. |
| 14:25.52 | Lunessa | _rane: But, if you want to fool arounjd with the API - check out http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4417-TinyPad.html - which lets you run scripts |
| 14:25.53 | |Jelly| | At least now my DK will have as much armor as my paladin and still not be able to block. :-\ |
| 14:26.11 | Lunessa | DKs don't need block. |
| 14:26.19 | |Jelly| | Whoosh. |
| 14:26.27 | _rane | Lunessa: pretty much what I was looking for I think |
| 14:27.09 | p3lim | is there some addon that will add information in an item's tooltip what equipment set its part of? |
| 14:27.18 | p3lim | Im thinking Engravings might have it, but im unsure |
| 14:27.19 | |Jelly| | Outfitter :P |
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| 14:27.31 | p3lim | no just that option, not the whole shabang |
| 14:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | There was another I used... WhoDrop? |
| 14:28.41 | Lopeppeppy | WhereDrop? |
| 14:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | Something like that. |
| 14:28.49 | Lunessa | p3lim: Not that I'm aware of for that feature. |
| 14:29.38 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: WhoDrop lets you know where to get something - I think p3lim is just looking to add an Outfitter-esque feature and just use the Equipment Manager. |
| 14:29.48 | p3lim | yeah |
| 14:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yar. |
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| 14:30.17 | p3lim | just some addon that puts information in an item's tooltip what set it is a part of, using the default Equipment Manager |
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| 14:30.39 | p3lim | was thinking Engravings might do it, but I have no idea |
| 14:31.43 | Hjalte | p3lim: Get Closetgnome_Tooltip. Does just what you want. |
| 14:31.43 | Hjalte | Don't mind the name, you don't need GC: |
| 14:31.43 | p3lim | You can confirm it works with the Equipment Manager? |
| 14:31.44 | Hjalte | Yes |
| 14:31.52 | p3lim | Where might I find this? |
| 14:31.55 | p3lim | not on wowi i think |
| 14:31.56 | Hjalte | Curse |
| 14:32.04 | p3lim | ait, thanks |
| 14:32.13 | Hjalte | It used to be a module for GC, but it's standalone now. |
| 14:32.20 | foxlit | GC is now a fancy frontend for the equipment manager |
| 14:32.25 | foxlit | er, CG |
| 14:33.54 | Lunessa | It's a Gnome, in your Closet. He'll be the cover story of next month's OUT magazine. |
| 14:36.10 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know why Closetgnome disabled the existing features. it's not like it stopped working with 3.1 or anything |
| 14:36.24 | foxlit | which existing features? |
| 14:37.01 | |Stan| | the only missing thing is set updating |
| 14:37.07 | ZorbaTHut | the ones pre-new-equipment-manager. Like, the functions that plugins used to determine if something was part of a closetgnome set, and like the existing interface to create and maintain existing closetgnome sets |
| 14:37.29 | ZorbaTHut | I updated to 3.1.2 and closetgnome vanished, I had to go and disable the "turn closetgnome off when an equipment manager exists" line |
| 14:37.33 | foxlit | Hm. I wasn't even sure if those were public. |
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| 14:38.44 | Lunessa | Been so long since I used it I wouldn't be able to say. I went with Outfitter a long while back. I'm not using it now since... Equipment Manager now meets all my needs. |
| 14:39.23 | ZorbaTHut | the only thing I'd *really* miss (besides, you know, the annoyance of importing my sets into the new manager) is the integration with baggins |
| 14:39.38 | ZorbaTHut | I have it rigged to just automatically hide everything that's part of a closetgnome set. don't know of a way to do that with the equipment manager. |
| 14:39.58 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 14:40.10 | nevcairiel | i mean, look at CG_Tooltip, it detects if stuff is in a set |
| 14:40.41 | ZorbaTHut | nev, because I'd have to go write my own mod for it, and it's far easier to *not* do so :P |
| 14:40.59 | nevcairiel | so you do know of a way, but you're just lazy |
| 14:41.05 | nevcairiel | so i will stop listening :P |
| 14:41.16 | Hjalte | ZorbaTHut: Baggins_LibFilter shows Equipment Manager sets. |
| 14:41.20 | ZorbaTHut | I don't personally know of a way, I'd have to create one ;) |
| 14:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | hj, ah, I may have to check that out |
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| 14:45.39 | p3lim | hm i wonder how you make a tooltip with menu entries like in this picture: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw11916.png |
| 14:45.50 | p3lim | would it require libraries/ace3 shiet? |
| 14:45.54 | AckisWork | the one thing I don't like bout the new manager is that when there's a piece of gear missing, it doesn't say which |
| 14:45.56 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut demonstrates one of the qualities of a sensible human being "bitching about something they don't want to have to do, that they didn't have to do earlier." |
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| 14:46.41 | p3lim | anyone? |
| 14:46.46 | daub | hi |
| 14:46.59 | Lunessa | p3lim: I don't know how that was done, but if it was based on ClosetGnome, it used ace3 libraries. |
| 14:47.13 | p3lim | it IS ClosetGnome :p |
| 14:47.24 | p3lim | its the LDB/UI part of CG |
| 14:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | Then go look at how it made its tooltips? |
| 14:47.34 | Hjalte | LibQtipClick-1.1, I believe may be used? |
| 14:47.37 | p3lim | Im looking now, just asking some of you already know |
| 14:48.05 | Lunessa | Then they used Ace3 - I suppose you could replicate it without Ace3, but *shrug* I'm alzy. |
| 14:48.09 | Lunessa | lazy even. |
| 14:49.29 | p3lim | too lazy to write lazy |
| 14:49.29 | p3lim | : |
| 14:49.30 | p3lim | P |
| 14:52.02 | Lunessa | p3 you have no idea. In fact, I'm too lazy to care. :P |
| 14:53.19 | p3lim | :D |
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| 14:53.50 | AckisWork | speaking of tooltip |
| 14:53.50 | AckisWork | s |
| 14:53.51 | AckisWork | penis |
| 14:53.55 | AckisWork | that has a tip |
| 14:53.57 | AckisWork | and is a tool |
| 14:54.18 | daub | lame? |
| 14:54.37 | AckisWork | yes |
| 14:54.40 | AckisWork | but I got to say penis |
| 14:54.49 | daub | do you feel better? |
| 14:54.54 | AckisWork | i have a legit question about them but I'm not ready to ask it yet |
| 14:54.57 | p3lim | just installed CG, didnt seem to do anything :s |
| 14:55.24 | Lunessa | AckisWork: We could replace you with a bot. It would just have to not answer questions and occasionally say the word "penis" and no one would be able to tell the difference. |
| 14:55.27 | Hjalte | p3lim: It should show on any LDB display |
| 14:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | [10:37] ZorbaTHut: I updated to 3.1.2 and closetgnome vanished, I had to go and disable the "turn closetgnome off when an equipment manager exists" line |
| 14:56.00 | Hjalte | I think I've been using GC after 3.1.2, it |
| 14:56.02 | Hjalte | meh |
| 14:56.13 | Hjalte | it's just an interface for EQ Manager now. |
| 14:56.13 | p3lim | hm |
| 14:56.24 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out for errands and then off to work. Back in like, an hour or so. |
| 14:56.28 | ZorbaTHut | p3lim, on r606, at least, check out the top of ClosetGnome-UI-LDB.lua |
| 14:56.38 | ZorbaTHut | if GetEquipmentSetInfo then return end -- delete this |
| 14:56.52 | ZorbaTHut | no guarantee the file hasn't been entirely removed in newer versions |
| 14:57.03 | p3lim | got 602 |
| 14:57.15 | p3lim | from wowi |
| 14:57.29 | Hjalte | It's at 612 on curse |
| 14:57.32 | p3lim | oh |
| 14:59.52 | p3lim | 612 doesnt even have the ClosetGnome-UI-LDB.lua file |
| 15:00.16 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it was probably just deleted |
| 15:00.18 | ZorbaTHut | grab 606 |
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| 15:01.42 | |Stan| | the newest version of cg is just the ldb menu for sets and quips |
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| 15:02.22 | p3lim | ok, the menu looks like the screenshot i just posted?http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw11916.png |
| 15:03.21 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/02/funny-pictures-dont-mind-me/ -- such truth |
| 15:06.18 | Hjalte | p3lim: 612 does have a tooltip where you can click the set you want to equip. |
| 15:06.45 | p3lim | but does it look like in the screenshot? |
| 15:07.11 | Hjalte | p3lim: No, just the sets there, no flavour text |
| 15:07.18 | ZorbaTHut | p3lim, the ui I'm familiar with doesn't look like that, I just get a little dropdown clicked off the minimap |
| 15:07.50 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/friends-dont-let-friends-drive-sunny-side-up/2029 ??? |
| 15:07.50 | p3lim | yeah |
| 15:08.09 | p3lim | I just want to make a tooltip/dropdown mix like in the screenshot |
| 15:09.00 | |Stan| | p3lim: http://i42.tinypic.com/15886zk.png is the current |
| 15:09.23 | p3lim | yea I know, im testing it right now |
| 15:09.53 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/pointless-paranoia-meet-pistol-packin/2028 ...I was born in that city. |
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| 15:12.29 | Vlakarados | can someone help me please, I want to create a text countdown timer and have troubles finding out how to make him count? |
| 15:13.51 | Cide | servers up yet? |
| 15:13.59 | AckisWork | Fisker-: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderlord&n=Fiskerq |
| 15:14.19 | alestane | Vlakarados: You might want to pastey what you have so far. |
| 15:14.29 | foxlit | 70, 6k hp? ouch. |
| 15:15.52 | alestane | Cide: No. |
| 15:17.27 | Fisker- | slaps Fisker- around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:17.43 | Fisker- | wtf Ackis |
| 15:18.19 | foxlit | Ackis: http://www.wowwiki.com/IHML |
| 15:18.22 | Fisker- | someone is trolling me |
| 15:18.29 | AckisWork | Fisker-: I told you I named my alt after you |
| 15:18.42 | foxlit | "Bug Reports" ... "Wish List" ... "Bug Reporting"... I'm sure you were trying to tell us something :) |
| 15:18.49 | AckisWork | sup foxlit |
| 15:19.03 | AckisWork | hyahah |
| 15:19.20 | AckisWork | fixed |
| 15:19.26 | Fisker- | not when i was reading AckisWork |
| 15:19.58 | foxlit | Perhaps we should slap some author-based categories on that infobox template |
| 15:21.55 | AckisWork | not gonna lie, I don't maintain the wiki pages as much as I should =/ |
| 15:22.17 | Vlakarados | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115277 |
| 15:22.31 | Vlakarados | so how to make this go down as duration decreases? |
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| 15:23.30 | alestane | Vlakarados: Is that your whole code? Is the function updatecoe() being called somwehere? |
| 15:24.11 | alestane | Is iCoE a frame or a texture? |
| 15:24.19 | Vlakarados | sorry, one moment |
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| 15:25.25 | Vlakarados | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115278 |
| 15:25.27 | Vlakarados | it's a texture |
| 15:29.27 | alestane | You're probably going to want to assign an OnUpdate handler to whatever frame owns it. |
| 15:31.08 | Vlakarados | and how will it help me? I'm new to lua and as far as I know, there are usually built in functions that run the timer |
| 15:31.36 | zenzelezz | http://engrishfunny.com/2009/06/01/engrish-stop-sucking/ o_O |
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| 15:32.07 | alestane | A fontstring timer? There are built-in functions for the stopwatch built into the minimap, but otherwise, you'll need to maintain that one yourself. There is no "clock" widget. |
| 15:32.42 | alestane | Or are you looking for a cooldown-type timer? |
| 15:32.48 | Vlakarados | yep |
| 15:32.56 | Vlakarados | so how do I know I have to update my string? |
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| 15:33.12 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
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| 15:34.18 | alestane | If you're using a cooldown "clock sweep" timer, you'll want to implement a cooldown widget on top of the texture, then set its start and duration to the suitable values based on the returns from UnitDebuff. |
| 15:35.27 | Vlakarados | good, and where can I get this widget? |
| 15:35.29 | alestane | If you're using a "countdown" text timer, you'll want to check the expiration in an OnUpdate handler function, and set the text to a calculation from that remaining time. |
| 15:36.05 | Vlakarados | and OnUpdate is run every second? |
| 15:36.13 | alestane | It's run every frame. |
| 15:36.50 | alestane | If you want to reduce your CPU time for a heavier function, you can keep a timer by using the "elapsed" argument. |
| 15:37.28 | alestane | Is there an XML file that goes with this code? |
| 15:37.44 | Vlakarados | yes, done it in addon studio |
| 15:38.02 | alestane | That explains the Button1_OnClick(). |
| 15:40.23 | Vlakarados | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115279 |
| 15:41.21 | kneeki | gah |
| 15:41.24 | kneeki | 3.1.3 patch day |
| 15:41.32 | alestane | And were things like "<OnLoad>fdeb_OnLoad();</OnLoad>" also generated automatically by Addon Studio? |
| 15:41.40 | alestane | kneeki: It's really little. |
| 15:42.00 | kneeki | alestane: Mhmm, but raid days on tuesday are nearly impossible if there has been any sort of client patch =( |
| 15:42.34 | kneeki | Vlakarados: What's the problem with that code again? |
| 15:42.38 | Vlakarados | alestane no |
| 15:43.11 | Vlakarados | kneeki I just want to know how to make a countdown text timer |
| 15:43.12 | alestane | Okay, I was afraid it was perpetuation outdated coding practices. |
| 15:43.27 | kneeki | Vlakarados: Use OnUpdate |
| 15:43.35 | alestane | perpetuating. |
| 15:44.09 | alestane | But yes, add something to the scripts section at the end: |
| 15:44.14 | alestane | <OnUpdate> |
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| 15:45.04 | kneeki | frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elapsed) local interval = interval - elapsed; if interval <= 0 then doyourstuffhere; interval = 1 end end) |
| 15:45.05 | Vlakarados | function fdeb_OnUpdate() |
| 15:45.05 | Vlakarados | timercoe=timercoe+1 |
| 15:45.05 | Vlakarados | end |
| 15:45.09 | kneeki | Use that, give or take |
| 15:45.49 | kneeki | the number 1 being your 1 second delays. Change it to say, 5, and you have whatever code running in 5 second intervals |
| 15:46.32 | alestane | lua> -0.375 % 1 |
| 15:46.32 | lua_bot | alestane: 0.625 |
| 15:47.25 | Vlakarados | and how will this work on weak pc's, if they freeze for a couple of seconds? |
| 15:47.43 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 15:47.50 | kneeki | Well, that depends on the code your running |
| 15:47.56 | kneeki | what's your addon do? |
| 15:47.58 | alestane | The elapsed number will end up being much larger, which won't usually cause too much of an issue. |
| 15:48.29 | Vlakarados | watching debuffs on a target |
| 15:49.01 | kneeki | Try giving us that code in a pasty, that may be your issue |
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| 15:49.27 | Vlakarados | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115278 |
| 15:51.18 | kneeki | I don't see anything very intensive int hat code; although, it's not the way I would have done it. |
| 15:51.54 | kneeki | You're also using GetSpellInfo twice, you could make that into a locale so you're not doing two lookups |
| 15:52.10 | alestane | He could honestly just reuse buffname. |
| 15:52.18 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 15:52.29 | kneeki | but, make it locale |
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| 15:52.31 | Vlakarados | yeah, I was like only getting started with this |
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| 15:52.33 | kneeki | local* |
| 15:52.44 | kneeki | if another addon is using 'buffname' it could fubar you |
| 15:53.17 | durcyn | cache it outside that function scope, it's not like it's going to change |
| 15:53.41 | kneeki | Unless he wants to add future functionality |
| 15:53.55 | Vlakarados | and I want to |
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| 15:54.05 | Vlakarados | that's for one spell only for now |
| 15:54.23 | durcyn | so change the cache string to a table later, bfd |
| 15:54.53 | kneeki | Are you running any other addons with yours right now? |
| 15:55.04 | Vlakarados | only buggrabber |
| 15:56.05 | durcyn | also, kneeki, not polluting the global namespace is polite regardless of what other addons are running, *thwap* |
| 15:56.29 | kneeki | Yeah, but I'm not very good ;) |
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| 15:56.47 | durcyn | luac -l -p | grep SETGLOBAL is your friend |
| 15:56.54 | kneeki | lua> table = { spell = GetSpellInfo(47865) } print(table[1]) |
| 15:56.55 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'GetSpellInfo' (a nil value) |
| 15:56.56 | Cruciformer | Good evening everyone |
| 15:56.58 | kneeki | booo |
| 15:57.26 | durcyn | also, naming tables 'table' will have unintended consequences down the line =P |
| 15:57.33 | nevcairiel | table[1] would also be nil |
| 15:57.37 | nevcairiel | since you only set "spell" |
| 15:57.39 | nevcairiel | not 1 |
| 15:57.55 | kneeki | Yeah, i was just testing something |
| 15:58.08 | kneeki | lua> table = { spell = GetSpellInfo(47865) } print(table.spell) |
| 15:58.09 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'GetSpellInfo' (a nil value) |
| 15:58.48 | Cruciformer | Does anyone know if there is an equivalent to the GUID for non-mon creatures like Freya's chest? When I loot something I want to record that I have looted it. Its easy for mobs becuase they have a GUID, is there anything equivalent for chests / other containers? |
| 15:59.10 | Cruciformer | *non-mob |
| 15:59.53 | durcyn | lua> foo = { ["hi mom, i'm a string"] = true } for spell in pairs(foo) do print(spell) end print(foo["hi mom, i'm a string"]) |
| 15:59.53 | lua_bot | durcyn: hi mom, i'm a string, true |
| 15:59.54 | batbot | durcyn, print is correct. |
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| 16:00.12 | durcyn | Cruciformer: afaict, no |
| 16:00.48 | Cruciformer | durcyn: yeah I been scouring all docs I can find and couldnt find anything. It would be way useful for Blizzard to add tho. |
| 16:01.06 | AnduinLothar | just get the name, they're prolly unique for boss chests |
| 16:01.24 | kneeki | lua> foo = { 47865, 47866 } for spell in pairs(foo) do print(GetSpellInfo(spell) end |
| 16:01.25 | batbot | kneeki, nothing found. |
| 16:01.25 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'end' |
| 16:01.28 | Cruciformer | AnduinLothar: You mean UnitName ("target")? |
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| 16:01.35 | kneeki | woops |
| 16:01.40 | kneeki | lua> foo = { 47865, 47866 } for spell in pairs(foo) do print(GetSpellInfo(spell)) end |
| 16:01.40 | batbot | kneeki, nothing found. |
| 16:01.41 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'GetSpellInfo' (a nil value) |
| 16:01.41 | AnduinLothar | you cant target them |
| 16:01.44 | kneeki | nonsense! |
| 16:02.04 | AnduinLothar | you'll have to pull the name from the mouseover when the loot event is triggered |
| 16:02.12 | kneeki | lua> foo = { 47865, 47866 } for spell in pairs(foo) do local buffname = GetSpellInfo(spell) print(buffname) end |
| 16:02.13 | batbot | kneeki, nothing found. |
| 16:02.13 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'GetSpellInfo' (a nil value) |
| 16:02.14 | AnduinLothar | mouseover tooltip* |
| 16:02.19 | kneeki | what the shit |
| 16:02.28 | durcyn | kneeki: GSI's still never going to work on the bots, bucko |
| 16:02.36 | kneeki | aww |
| 16:02.45 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 16:02.55 | nevcairiel | also batbot is just responding to everything that has (spell) after it |
| 16:02.56 | batbot | nevcairiel, has is correct. |
| 16:03.07 | nevcairiel | spelling check :P |
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| 16:03.25 | kneeki | lua> sucks = { "kneeki", "sucks" } for suck in pairs(sucks) do print(suck) end |
| 16:03.25 | lua_bot | kneeki: 1, 2 |
| 16:03.30 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:03.32 | kneeki | well |
| 16:03.34 | kneeki | whatever |
| 16:03.39 | durcyn | batbot(spell) is(spell) a(spell) wanker(spell) |
| 16:03.40 | batbot | durcyn, nothing found. |
| 16:03.44 | Cruciformer | AnduinLothar: You mean when LOOT_OPENED is fired, there is someething I can check that will give me the container name? What if I have tooltips off? |
| 16:04.46 | Cruciformer | and assuming I do have tooltips open could you possibly point me in the direction of how I can query the tooltip for the chest name? |
| 16:05.02 | AnduinLothar | should just be the first line |
| 16:05.18 | durcyn | you shouldn't have to use LOOT_OPENED |
| 16:05.52 | durcyn | last i checked UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT fired on 'Opening' spells, and provided a target |
| 16:05.54 | AnduinLothar | you can use the spell cast start event of "Openning" or something too |
| 16:06.06 | durcyn | and should be slightly more reliable |
| 16:06.09 | Cruciformer | well I am catching that anyway since this is for a suicide kings loot distribution mod and I need all the loot info |
| 16:07.09 | Cruciformer | durcyn: can I make the assumption that the spell name "Openeing" is fired in all locales or will I need to internationalise the spell name? |
| 16:07.23 | AnduinLothar | localize it |
| 16:07.46 | AnduinLothar | OPENING = "Opening" |
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| 16:07.57 | AnduinLothar | at least that's what it was when i did it in BC |
| 16:08.02 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=3366 |
| 16:08.10 | nevcairiel | you can just use getspellinfo to get the localized name |
| 16:08.16 | durcyn | Cruciformer: you can localize it using the aforementioned global string or GetSpellInfo, just be aware that different world objects use different Opening spells, and they're not always the same spell name |
| 16:08.19 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 16:08.34 | durcyn | FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua:OPENING = "Opening"; |
| 16:08.49 | AnduinLothar | or use that |
| 16:09.06 | durcyn | objects are coded kind of uh, funny like that |
| 16:09.39 | Cruciformer | I have not used any of the localised GlobaLstrings before. I assume that for a russian client (for example) simply using the variable "OPENING" in my mod will be translated to whatever word they use for the spell? |
| 16:09.48 | alestane | !api CreateTexture |
| 16:09.48 | lua_bot | Frame:CreateTexture: Creates a new Texture for the Frame on the given layer, optionally inheriting from a template. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateTexture) |
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| 16:12.08 | durcyn | Cruciformer: yeah, globalstrings are locale-specific |
| 16:12.15 | Cruciformer | sweet |
| 16:13.06 | Cruciformer | it would be oh-so-useful if LOOT_OPENED had an extra paramater that was the mob GUID or some other kind of global ID or name or whatever. |
| 16:13.38 | nicoli_s | woot! new mario game and its a side scroller! |
| 16:13.42 | nevcairiel | events are rarely like that |
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| 16:14.06 | durcyn | Cruciformer: i still recommend UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT, and damn the LOOT_OPENED |
| 16:14.14 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: I hve noticed that. Bit of an oversight IMHO. |
| 16:15.22 | Cruciformer | durcyn: Yeah I will trap U_S_S too but I need to also trap LOOT_OPENED for the normal mob case that doesnt fire U_S_S since the whole point of my exercise is to determine what can be looted. |
| 16:15.42 | Cruciformer | (be it froma corpse or a chest) |
| 16:15.50 | durcyn | yeah, well, the point is, SENT provides a target as arg4, as you requested |
| 16:15.59 | durcyn | so it's perfect for chests |
| 16:16.06 | Cruciformer | yup that was useful info inded thank you kindly. |
| 16:16.19 | Cruciformer | s/inded/indeed/ |
| 16:16.28 | durcyn | corpses are easy since you can't not target them |
| 16:16.39 | Cruciformer | yup :) |
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| 16:17.55 | dardack | i know i asked earlier (but was at work) can someone link me the online viewing of the WoW interface data (ie friendsframe.xml? |
| 16:18.08 | durcyn | wowcompares.com |
| 16:18.13 | dardack | thanks |
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| 16:18.25 | Cruciformer | Dont you just love it when ISP's assign names like "static-MYIPPLSHACKME.ispname.net" to static IP's? :) |
| 16:18.42 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/01/funny-pictures-a-new-add-on/ |
| 16:19.14 | durcyn | Cruciformer: DNS was never intended to add obscurity, what now? |
| 16:19.28 | Cruciformer | good point. |
| 16:19.38 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: kitty is doing great btw! :D vet tech said he's super healthy, his brother isn't doing good however :( |
| 16:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry his brother is so sick. :( |
| 16:20.09 | durcyn | it saves a lookup, i guess. and why aren't they delegating anyway? |
| 16:20.18 | AckisWork | me too, but they're taking care of him... I'm just glad ours is safe and sound |
| 16:22.16 | nevcairiel | Most applications require your reverse to match your forward entry anyway, so the dns could be as obscure as you want, a simple lookup gets you the ip =P |
| 16:23.40 | Cruciformer | Altho I suspect the number of people that can use nslookup is smaller than the number of people that can read a hostname when its shown in something like IRC, but it was just an idle thought. |
| 16:24.17 | nevcairiel | hax0r-tools take hostnames, usually =P |
| 16:24.44 | Cruciformer | back to wow questions ... what is the resolution of Cooldown:SetDuration's second argument ... seconds? |
| 16:25.07 | nevcairiel | !api SetDuration |
| 16:25.09 | lua_bot | Animation:SetDuration: Set the number of seconds it takes for the animation to progress from start to finish (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Animation/SetDuration) |
| 16:25.14 | Cruciformer | Sorry SetCooldown |
| 16:25.14 | nevcairiel | boo wrong one |
| 16:25.20 | nevcairiel | !api SetCooldown |
| 16:25.20 | lua_bot | Cooldown:SetCooldown: Sets up the parameters for a Cooldown model. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Cooldown/SetCooldown) |
| 16:25.22 | Addybot | Ackis: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=API_PlaySoundFile&oldid=1805695 |
| 16:25.44 | nevcairiel | man wowprogramming is wordy again |
| 16:26.36 | Cruciformer | thats the exact page I am looking at nevcairiel, and it doesn't indicate the resolution. I am going to have to experiment. |
| 16:26.52 | Cruciformer | (and update that entry when I know) |
| 16:27.00 | nevcairiel | I believe it accepts seconds, but you can use floats for higher resolution |
| 16:27.28 | Cruciformer | ah cool. |
| 16:27.43 | AckisWork | ty Adys, bibi and Addybot :D |
| 16:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* Work servers are broken again. Why me? |
| 16:32.29 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: Stop breaking them! |
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| 16:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | I dids't not this time. IT is breaking them. |
| 16:33.08 | nevcairiel | IT is probably doing maintenance do unbreak your breakage! |
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| 16:33.25 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... it is emergency maintenance. Wonder what circuit I stomped this time? |
| 16:35.09 | Gnarfoz | scrollback is fun |
| 16:36.46 | Gnarfoz | <Dagmar> People have wall sockets all over their houses, and forks in the kitchen, but generally the only outlets with GFCI are in the bathroom. <-- luckily there's other countries where GFCIs are mandatory for everything *phew* :D |
| 16:39.14 | nevcairiel | i |
| 16:39.25 | nevcairiel | i'll just assume a GFCI is what we refer to a "FI" |
| 16:39.30 | nevcairiel | a=as |
| 16:39.52 | Cruciformer | Dunno what the C is but I know GFI as Ground Fault Indicator |
| 16:41.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it is |
| 16:41.11 | aesir | circuit |
| 16:41.32 | Cruciformer | In south africa they call it "earth leakage" |
| 16:41.33 | nevcairiel | but yeah, its nice to have those on your whole house circuit =P |
| 16:41.40 | Gnarfoz | RCD is the english abbreviation that's common in Europe |
| 16:42.08 | Cruciformer | and much to my chagrin, its against the law here to have an electrical outlet in the bathroom |
| 16:42.11 | Gnarfoz | Fehlerstromschutzschalter is the humonguous word for it in German :D |
| 16:42.27 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: not the worst idea to have been made into a law, imho :D |
| 16:42.46 | nevcairiel | Apparently its not even required (before 2009, anyway, now it is), except for watery-areas |
| 16:42.53 | nevcairiel | but every sane person has one anyway |
| 16:42.57 | Lopeppeppy | Watery areas... New Orleans? |
| 16:42.57 | Cruciformer | Gnarfoz: Up until teh day you want to use a waterpick over the basin and it has an outlet-based pump instead of a battery :0 |
| 16:43.17 | aesir | The work-around ofc is to string a low-quality extension cord from another room. Bypassing both the limitation and the original intent of increased safety. lol |
| 16:43.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, I just read that, too, I was surprised because we've had them for 20 years ;o |
| 16:43.35 | Gnarfoz | aesir: obviously :D |
| 16:44.06 | Cruciformer | my workaround was to befirend an electrician and get him to install one anyway after the inspectors had left. |
| 16:44.14 | Cruciformer | *befriend |
| 16:44.15 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: rooms with a humidity of over 70% for extended periods of time - that doesn't even apply to bathrooms, usually. So... saunas and stuff |
| 16:44.40 | aesir | Or..(better) if you're cool with tools, use a staple gun to tack the low-qual extension cord to parts of your (moist, humid, condensing) bathroom wall. |
| 16:44.42 | Lopeppeppy | I want a sauna... |
| 16:44.48 | nevcairiel | People do use electric tooth brushes, hair dryers, etc in bathrooms .. would feel kinda weird to not allow an outlet in there at all |
| 16:45.04 | Lopeppeppy | bonus points if you staple *through* the cord, aesir. |
| 16:45.11 | aesir | *nods* I've seen it. |
| 16:45.22 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: my point exactly. Its a stupid law to protect only the stupidest of people, who should be Darwin'ed out of existence anyway. |
| 16:45.55 | durcyn | it's Ground Fault Circuit Interrupt, btw |
| 16:46.16 | durcyn | which is an expensive way of saying 'breaker' |
| 16:46.19 | nevcairiel | We do have a safety on top of the outlet next to the bathroom sink, which is just a plastic cover |
| 16:46.40 | nevcairiel | well the GFCI isnt a default circuit breaker |
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| 16:47.33 | Cruciformer | IMHO if people cant use electricity responsibly in teh year 2009 their genes should be eliminated from the pool. |
| 16:47.57 | nevcairiel | a gfci is still a good idea .. accidents do happen to the best of us |
| 16:48.49 | Cruciformer | oh yeah Im all for protections like gfci's but to disallow elictricity ina bathroom altogether seems a tad Draconian to me. |
| 16:49.03 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 16:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | I think it would be funny. |
| 16:49.12 | aesir | I have them in the kitchen as well. And ofc the outdoor/deck ones. |
| 16:49.58 | aesir | I didn't get them in all outlets, and tbh, I can't recall why the builder balked at that. Might be more circuits involved or something. Didn't think it was too cost prohibitive though, so I'm not clear why it was rejected in the plan. |
| 16:50.01 | durcyn | huh, does NEC require GFCI on exterior outlets now? it used to just require they be covered |
| 16:50.39 | durcyn | aesir: does your house spend a lot of time underwater? =P |
| 16:50.48 | nevcairiel | We usually just have one on the main circuit before the other breakers, unless you have some power-sensitve areas |
| 16:50.53 | aesir | Not particularly, but it does rain periodically. |
| 16:52.00 | Cruciformer | anyone familiar with teh mod "Quartz"? |
| 16:52.38 | durcyn | Cruciformer: biblically. |
| 16:52.49 | Cruciformer | :) |
| 16:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:53.16 | Cruciformer | Those bars it uses for the timers, do you happen to know if thats a standard widget or did they.you do their own thing? |
| 16:54.33 | Cruciformer | and btw thanks for that mod durcyn I see u and nev work on it a lot and I absolutely love it |
| 16:54.46 | nevcairiel | It creates its own bars, afaik |
| 16:54.57 | nevcairiel | no templates |
| 16:55.07 | durcyn | the mirror bars? they're just StatusBar frames |
| 16:55.28 | nevcairiel | well thats a given =P |
| 16:55.34 | Cruciformer | for example the bar that lets mw know how long till my druid's Eclipse wears off etc. Thats a statusbar? |
| 16:55.51 | durcyn | well, i wasn't sure what kind of detail he wanted =P |
| 16:56.01 | nevcairiel | all those bars are statusbars, yes |
| 16:56.46 | Cruciformer | many thanks. For this loot mod there is a countdown for how long people have to bid and it would be useful to display a bar like that. I will look at the StatusBar widget now. |
| 16:57.17 | kneeki | lua> table = { "a", "b", "c" } for let in pairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 16:57.18 | lua_bot | kneeki: 1, 2, 3 |
| 16:57.22 | kneeki | hmm |
| 16:57.30 | nevcairiel | pairs returns key, value |
| 16:57.41 | kneeki | lua> table = { "a", "b", "c" } for let in ipairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 16:57.41 | lua_bot | kneeki: 1, 2, 3 |
| 16:57.51 | kneeki | oh duh |
| 16:57.53 | nevcairiel | lua> table = { "a", "b", "c" } for key,value in pairs(table) do print(key,value) end |
| 16:57.54 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1, a, 2, b, 3, c |
| 16:57.56 | kneeki | key, value |
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| 16:58.44 | durcyn | lua> foo = { ["a"] = true, ["b"] = true, ["c"] = true, } for k in pairs(foo) do print(k) end |
| 16:58.44 | lua_bot | durcyn: a, c, b |
| 16:58.52 | durcyn | sorting is fun too ;) |
| 16:59.31 | kneeki | That seems more work than it should be |
| 16:59.39 | Cruciformer | am I just geeky or is writing mods more fun than playing wow itself? |
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| 17:00.15 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 17:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | It can be! |
| 17:00.45 | Cruciformer | I am having so much fun it should almost be illegal :) |
| 17:00.49 | nevcairiel | i stopped raiding the other day to focus more on my university .. but it wasnt that much fun anymore since 3.0 anyway |
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| 17:01.07 | nevcairiel | but coding is still on! |
| 17:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | Fun *is* illegal, hellooooo |
| 17:01.17 | Cruciformer | so far in wotlk I have only encountered one truely fun fight and thats mimiron |
| 17:01.43 | kneeki | lua> table = { "a", "b", "c" } for let in pairs(table) do key, value = let print(key.." ".. value) end |
| 17:01.43 | Cruciformer | the rest of the xpack has been blah |
| 17:01.44 | nevcairiel | i don't like the new concept they are running |
| 17:01.45 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate global 'value' (a nil value) |
| 17:01.50 | kneeki | hate |
| 17:01.54 | kneeki | I dont like that at all |
| 17:02.04 | Torhal | nevcairiel: wrt not that much fun anymore: Agreed. I used to look forward to raiding. |
| 17:02.06 | Cruciformer | which particular new concept that sucks? |
| 17:02.29 | nevcairiel | Alot of my guildys are just happy killing bosses, which used to be fun before 3.0, when it was hard. |
| 17:02.36 | Torhal | Cruciformer: One-shotting bosses is no fun. |
| 17:02.40 | nevcairiel | But alot of people are still happy with just killing bosses |
| 17:02.46 | Torhal | Second time in, rather. |
| 17:02.58 | nevcairiel | and when we plan to do hardmodes for more challenge, we are lacking people |
| 17:02.59 | Cruciformer | Torhal: thats why I like mimiron, it takes actual work and co-ordination |
| 17:03.14 | kneeki | lua> table = { 1234 = true, 2345 = true, } for let in pairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 17:03.14 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 17:03.37 | kneeki | lua> table = { 1234 = true, 2345 = true } for let in pairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 17:03.39 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 17:03.51 | kneeki | i hate my self, lua_bot |
| 17:04.28 | kneeki | lua> table = { "1234" = true, "2345" = true } for let in pairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 17:04.29 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 17:04.45 | nevcairiel | I wanted to setup a proper 10man and beat algalon, but most people are already bored with 25 content and can't be bothered to concentrate on 10mans as well |
| 17:05.00 | kneeki | Why am I always making t his so difficult |
| 17:05.09 | Cruciformer | has there been a world first kill of algalon yet? |
| 17:05.15 | nevcairiel | on 10man, yes |
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| 17:05.24 | nevcairiel | on 25 not, as far as i know |
| 17:05.52 | kneeki | lua> table = { "1234" = true } for let in pairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 17:05.52 | lua_bot | kneeki: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 17:05.58 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.59 | nevcairiel | but all that, plus the lack of time for university was really going down on me .. i just quit |
| 17:06.16 | kneeki | lua> table = { ["1234"] = true } for let in pairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 17:06.17 | lua_bot | kneeki: 1234 |
| 17:06.20 | kneeki | HAH |
| 17:06.25 | Cruciformer | lua> table = { ["1234"] = true} for let in pairs(table) to print(let) end |
| 17:06.25 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'to' |
| 17:06.37 | Cruciformer | meh ... s/to/do/ |
| 17:06.50 | Cruciformer | lua> table = { ["1234"] = true} for let in pairs(table) do print(let) end |
| 17:06.50 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: 1234 |
| 17:07.12 | Cruciformer | there you go kneei |
| 17:07.27 | nevcairiel | isnt that what he just had himself? =P |
| 17:07.45 | Cruciformer | oops sorry didnt see ... not a touch typist I was looking at my keyboard |
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| 17:10.45 | Tem | hmm that's odd |
| 17:10.53 | Tem | the blizzard downloader is failing to download the patch |
| 17:11.09 | Tem | giving me the "you suck at configuring your firewall/router" error |
| 17:11.14 | Lopeppeppy | Why am I seriously not surprised? |
| 17:11.26 | nevcairiel | because he does suck? |
| 17:11.28 | nevcairiel | oh wait |
| 17:11.30 | Tem | I just checked and they're both configured properly |
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| 17:11.48 | nevcairiel | just get the patch from a mirror |
| 17:11.49 | Tem | and it's worked fine for the last couple years since the last time I messed with these settings at all |
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| 17:13.53 | Cruciformer | the download was as reliable as a politician today. I had a lot of trouble getting the patch. |
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| 17:25.38 | Tem | nevcairiel, none of these patch mirrors look particularly reliable |
| 17:25.54 | nevcairiel | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ is what i use |
| 17:26.14 | End | ^ |
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| 17:29.06 | Tem | thanks, nevcairiel |
| 17:31.03 | Kalroth | nev4pres! |
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| 17:36.32 | Cruciformer | quick question about variardic functions. If I do something like myfunc(a,b,c,d,e,f) and myfunc is: local function myfunc(...) local a,b,c = ...; end - will c contain all the rest of the arguments (i.e c, d and e) or just the passed in c? |
| 17:36.57 | mikma | http://dagobah.biz/flash/56k.swf |
| 17:36.57 | Cide | the latter |
| 17:36.58 | Cruciformer | (i.e does the last variable pulling from ... get all teh rest of the contents or just a single arg) |
| 17:37.08 | Cide | a variable cannot containg more than one value |
| 17:37.11 | Cide | there's no concept of tuples |
| 17:37.19 | Cruciformer | kk tyvm Cide. |
| 17:37.34 | Cide | if you want it to contain more than one value you'll have to explicitly make it a table |
| 17:38.24 | Cruciformer | and if I read teh lua manual correctly there is no convenient reciprocal of unpack() like pack() that would do that for me? |
| 17:38.50 | Cide | {...} |
| 17:38.54 | Cide | {a, b, c} |
| 17:39.05 | Cide | {select(3, ...)} |
| 17:39.06 | Cide | etc |
| 17:39.19 | Cide | {function_that_returns_a_list()} |
| 17:39.29 | Cide | {a, b, function_that_returns_a_list()} |
| 17:39.50 | Cruciformer | ok cool I got it ... many thanks. |
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| 17:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple |
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| 17:54.57 | dardack | yea extension time |
| 17:56.02 | AckisWork | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-pictures-cats-make-you-sleep-on-the-couch.jpg |
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| 18:03.16 | jnwhiteh | !addon Chamois |
| 18:03.18 | lua_bot | Chamois (v. 2.4) last updated Thu Apr 16 19:48 (http://is.gd/MsIy) |
| 18:05.58 | KarlKFI | O.o when did lua_bot get that? |
| 18:06.45 | durcyn | ages ago. |
| 18:07.13 | nevcairiel | Did fin every fix new-wowace ? |
| 18:07.24 | nevcairiel | ever* |
| 18:07.44 | Gnarfoz | easy to test, right? ;p |
| 18:08.05 | nevcairiel | You know i'm lazy |
| 18:08.13 | Gnarfoz | of course, every programmer should be |
| 18:08.14 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 18:08.30 | Gnarfoz | oh, speaking of that, gotta reboot, S3 standby killed wow again |
| 18:08.31 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 18:08.43 | Gnarfoz | that *has* to be a bug in the SATA controller or it's driver, meh |
| 18:08.51 | jnwhiteh | KarlKFI: he's had that for a while =) |
| 18:08.57 | nevcairiel | you had wow on while going into standby? |
| 18:09.18 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 18:09.21 | Gnarfoz | never tried *that* |
| 18:09.29 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:09.55 | Gnarfoz | but something like half of the times or more, after S3 standby (Suspend to RAM), wow will have trouble decompressing its own files |
| 18:11.02 | Gnarfoz | fails at textures, models, sounds, animation files, whatever. most of the time it's not immediately apparent either (meaning, it's some file that it doesn't need right away, but if I move my character somewhere where it does, it crashes ^^) |
| 18:12.10 | Gnarfoz | grrr, rebooting is like... being woken up by someone during REM sleep or something, arg |
| 18:12.44 | Gnarfoz | total disruption of workflow (or rather, idleflow, procrastinationflow, hehe) |
| 18:13.57 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 18:13.57 | Gnarfoz | # The bonus damage from spell power on the Paladin ability Retribution Aura has been reduced by half. The threat generated by that damage has been doubled per point of damage to keep the threat generation about equal to before. |
| 18:14.04 | Gnarfoz | nerf :( |
| 18:14.18 | KarlKFI | ... |
| 18:14.21 | Gnarfoz | why did they nerf Eye for an Eye if they did that, too? |
| 18:14.22 | KarlKFI | wtf |
| 18:16.46 | KarlKFI | well, i can safely spec out of eye for an eye and imp ret aura i guess |
| 18:17.07 | Gnarfoz | they were nice against melee for pvp |
| 18:17.08 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:17.13 | KarlKFI | were |
| 18:17.40 | KarlKFI | I'd rather have imp stun |
| 18:17.50 | KarlKFI | and i want a spek i can use for pvp and pve |
| 18:20.06 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, you mean sanc ret? |
| 18:20.33 | Gnarfoz | I don't want a spec that servers both equally, nah |
| 18:20.38 | KarlKFI | oh right they merged them |
| 18:20.45 | KarlKFI | still need that 3% dmg... |
| 18:20.48 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 18:21.20 | KarlKFI | damn |
| 18:21.24 | KarlKFI | need 2 more points |
| 18:21.31 | KarlKFI | er... |
| 18:21.33 | KarlKFI | 5 |
| 18:21.35 | KarlKFI | gg |
| 18:21.56 | kneeki | http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9927/ostrichvselephant.gif] |
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| 18:21.59 | kneeki | http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9927/ostrichvselephant.gif |
| 18:22.01 | kneeki | bwa aha |
| 18:22.12 | KarlKFI | Vindication still works in arenas, right? |
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| 18:22.39 | Thunder_Child | i think so |
| 18:23.44 | Thunder_Child | how worth it is it for fanaticism? |
| 18:24.00 | KarlKFI | need it for pve, not for pvp |
| 18:24.11 | Thunder_Child | ok, i'm building a pvp ret spec |
| 18:24.16 | Thunder_Child | just checking |
| 18:24.20 | KarlKFI | can scrap Swift Ret tho. dont need that for pvp |
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| 18:24.34 | KarlKFI | and pve we have other people that overlap 3% haste |
| 18:24.51 | Thunder_Child | doesnt it help your arenateam members though? |
| 18:24.57 | KarlKFI | now i just need 2 points.. |
| 18:24.57 | Thunder_Child | arena team* |
| 18:25.11 | KarlKFI | yes, but 3% haste is meh compared to the alternatives |
| 18:25.20 | Thunder_Child | what alternitives? |
| 18:25.25 | Thunder_Child | 3% parry |
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| 18:25.32 | Thunder_Child | or toughness |
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| 18:25.46 | KarlKFI | prot tallents |
| 18:25.52 | KarlKFI | toughness |
| 18:26.38 | Thunder_Child | is limited in arena |
| 18:27.07 | KarlKFI | yes but haste is pretty useless unless you're always on the target |
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| 18:27.22 | KarlKFI | arena is about timing and moving and staying alive |
| 18:28.28 | KarlKFI | 0.1 speed increase isn't gonna do much unless the target is stun locked or not moving |
| 18:29.05 | KarlKFI | and also have to take into accound your partners, whether they have an overlapping buff |
| 18:30.10 | sp0ckk | So how much can you guys make per hour (gold) with your chars and how? I see so many "I can make 3-5k/ph gold" ads and videos and not many of them seem real (except the odd one) and I have to wonder how they've done it? |
| 18:31.50 | KarlKFI | if you need something else to drop poitns you can lose 2 points of Heart of the Crusader |
| 18:31.50 | KarlKFI | This is the wong channel for that, sp0ckk |
| 18:32.11 | sp0ckk | Well to be fair the people in here often go "off-topic" :) |
| 18:32.21 | sp0ckk | but yeah fair enough. |
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| 18:32.52 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, wait...whats this about heart? |
| 18:33.01 | KarlKFI | dont need it for pvp |
| 18:33.16 | KarlKFI | if you have spare points, sure |
| 18:34.13 | Thunder_Child | 3% crit is not important? |
| 18:35.37 | Thunder_Child | brb |
| 18:35.40 | KarlKFI | sure, but you have to judge first |
| 18:36.04 | jnwhiteh | so I'm a Champion of Darnassus now. |
| 18:36.13 | nevcairiel | congrats =) |
| 18:36.15 | KarlKFI | I'm not saying it's useless. It's just the next one i would drop if i needed points |
| 18:36.26 | jnwhiteh | if I become a valiant of exodar |
| 18:36.31 | jnwhiteh | i can no longer do the champion quests, right? |
| 18:36.36 | nevcairiel | wrong |
| 18:36.44 | nevcairiel | the champion quests don't go away |
| 18:36.59 | Vlakarados | valiant go |
| 18:37.07 | nevcairiel | you can simply become a champion of all factions |
| 18:37.17 | nevcairiel | so you can do both sets of quests |
| 18:37.21 | nevcairiel | and they overlap quite a bit |
| 18:37.23 | nevcairiel | its nice =) |
| 18:37.36 | Vlakarados | but it doesn't worth it |
| 18:37.52 | Vlakarados | if I knew all along I wouldn't make em all |
| 18:38.03 | Vlakarados | it's -40g for doing nothing |
| 18:38.28 | nevcairiel | the quests don't cost gold o.O |
| 18:38.39 | End | however, if you become a champion for all factions, you lose the ability to do valiant quests |
| 18:38.49 | nevcairiel | this is true ^ |
| 18:38.52 | End | since you have noone left to train for :P |
| 18:39.20 | Vlakarados | I mean 40g) |
| 18:40.09 | Vlakarados | 2 valiant quests are completed after doing 2 champ quests |
| 18:40.37 | durcyn | i'm not sure i'd want to do the valiant quests again, screw flying to howling fjord to melt some stupid bint out of a block of ice |
| 18:40.50 | End | well |
| 18:41.01 | Vlakarados | by not doing this quest = 40g |
| 18:41.03 | End | you could still do the scourge training and battle quests |
| 18:41.04 | nevcairiel | i still did it every day, needed crusader title =P |
| 18:41.06 | End | and ignore the sword |
| 18:41.17 | Vlakarados | yep |
| 18:43.12 | durcyn | yeah, guess it doesn't matter if you miss those extra two valiant badges |
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| 18:44.44 | Vlakarados | it's only a matter of when will you get the achievement and a title |
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| 18:58.53 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, is Deflection > Heart? |
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| 19:01.40 | DWSR | hey all, I'm having trouble installing Minion. Anyone around that can help me troubleshoot? |
| 19:02.03 | Hirsute | What's the trouble? |
| 19:02.22 | KarlKFI | Thunder_Child: prolly not |
| 19:02.34 | DWSR | something about the "application not being configured properly". Let me get the exact error. |
| 19:03.02 | mikma | not specific enough. help declined. |
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| 19:03.32 | KarlKFI | Thunder_Child: Devine Guardian maybe |
| 19:03.52 | KarlKFI | Sacred Shield ftw |
| 19:04.26 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, this is what i have atm http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?paladin=000000000000000000000000000532013402000000000000000015232250203331322110201331&glyph=000000000000&version=9947 |
| 19:05.08 | KarlKFI | do you do 2s? |
| 19:05.47 | Thunder_Child | i'm only 28 atm |
| 19:05.47 | DWSR | ugh |
| 19:05.52 | DWSR | TinyURL that plz. |
| 19:06.10 | KarlKFI | Divine Guardian might be better than Toughness |
| 19:06.20 | Hirsute | Bah. The ads on the WoWInterface forums really, really don't like me today. |
| 19:06.30 | KarlKFI | Or Divinity if you have a healer |
| 19:06.40 | KarlKFI | Or Eye for an Eye |
| 19:06.57 | KarlKFI | I was just tossing E4aE because my spec is pvp/pve |
| 19:06.58 | Thunder_Child | i thought eye was more garbage now |
| 19:07.11 | KarlKFI | I dunno about garbage, just nurfed |
| 19:08.08 | KarlKFI | this is gonna be my raid/arena spec: http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=2&tal=000000000000000000000000000532013102000000000000000005212251203331322133201331 |
| 19:08.18 | Thunder_Child | thats only 1.5K on a 15K crit.... |
| 19:08.59 | Thunder_Child | i dont need it raid since i am going to dual to holy i think |
| 19:09.12 | KarlKFI | oh and for PvP you dont need Crusade |
| 19:09.17 | KarlKFI | that onyl works on mobs |
| 19:10.00 | Thunder_Child | players dont count as humanoids? |
| 19:10.17 | DWSR | yes they do. |
| 19:10.17 | KarlKFI | nope |
| 19:10.30 | KarlKFI | not for that talent, unless they've changed it |
| 19:10.44 | DWSR | Some talents/spells can't be used on players. |
| 19:10.45 | KarlKFI | and you want all the Judgements of the Wise points |
| 19:10.53 | Matsy | Darn |
| 19:10.54 | DWSR | Exorcism, Curse of Doom, etc. |
| 19:11.04 | Matsy | Stupid a-compatibality :< |
| 19:11.16 | DWSR | Minion Error: http://i44.tinypic.com/2nisn82.png |
| 19:11.36 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, i dont want JotW for more than one point, i dont care about replen in arena |
| 19:11.50 | KarlKFI | you should |
| 19:12.04 | KarlKFI | you dont get mana from heals |
| 19:12.17 | Matsy | Uh |
| 19:12.18 | Matsy | DWSR |
| 19:12.20 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 19:12.28 | Matsy | Install the VC++ dlls. |
| 19:12.41 | Matsy | This is a common problem. |
| 19:12.46 | DWSR | Matsy: And the program's written in Java? |
| 19:12.51 | Matsy | Yeah. ;p |
| 19:12.52 | KarlKFI | also if you do 2s without a healer you'll probably want to use Command, instead of Martyr |
| 19:12.59 | DWSR | Matsy: Linky meh? |
| 19:13.04 | Matsy | Sure |
| 19:13.04 | Gnarfoz | no, you don't |
| 19:13.05 | Matsy | One second |
| 19:13.09 | Gnarfoz | martyr damage is really irrelevant |
| 19:13.26 | KarlKFI | dmg is dmg. |
| 19:13.31 | Gnarfoz | keep yourself shielded and use the blood glyph so you have mana to flash yourself back up |
| 19:13.38 | KarlKFI | it's like having a lock dot on you the whole game |
| 19:13.38 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:13.41 | Gnarfoz | at least that works fine for me |
| 19:13.43 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, my priest does 2s and and team w/o a healer just dies....so i dont think i will go w/o one |
| 19:13.54 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:13.55 | Matsy | Uh |
| 19:13.55 | Hirsute | DWSR: You've tried reinstalling Java? |
| 19:13.58 | DWSR | It depends on the DPS. |
| 19:13.59 | Matsy | Are you using x64 or x32? |
| 19:14.02 | Thunder_Child | s/and t/any t/ |
| 19:14.03 | KarlKFI | Disc Priest are OP |
| 19:14.09 | DWSR | Matsy: x68* |
| 19:14.12 | Thunder_Child | how so? |
| 19:14.12 | Matsy | The link depends on the architecture ;p |
| 19:14.15 | Matsy | .. |
| 19:14.16 | Matsy | what |
| 19:14.18 | Matsy | x68? |
| 19:14.25 | KarlKFI | shield in arena = hax |
| 19:14.26 | Gnarfoz | SoComm really is just *bad* in terms of damage, except for judging a stunned target :< |
| 19:14.33 | Matsy | x86 |
| 19:14.35 | Matsy | Is what I mean :< |
| 19:14.43 | Matsy | Anyway, x86 / x64? |
| 19:14.48 | Thunder_Child | hax my ass...just because it is a 6,5K instant heal..... |
| 19:14.51 | DWSR | Matsy: First. |
| 19:14.54 | Matsy | Okay |
| 19:15.05 | Matsy | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=a5c84275-3b97-4ab7-a40d-3802b2af5fc2&displaylang=en |
| 19:15.07 | Matsy | Install that |
| 19:15.09 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: It depends on which class the DPS are. |
| 19:15.12 | Matsy | And, it'll be fixed. |
| 19:15.46 | DWSR | I never have a real problem with "just dying". |
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| 19:16.19 | Thunder_Child | well my 2s team has only ever lost to 1 pure dps team and they were much higher than us...we have to stop playing at 2am |
| 19:16.19 | Gnarfoz | any Germany based people around who rent a dedicated server from Hetzner? |
| 19:16.55 | Matsy | Can't say I did. |
| 19:16.57 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: You shouldn't. |
| 19:17.16 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: The game shouldn't penalize you much. |
| 19:17.21 | Gnarfoz | playing at 2am rocks |
| 19:17.31 | Gnarfoz | especially if you get a team you can defeat over and over again :D |
| 19:17.36 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, we didnt lose any points at all. we just died fast |
| 19:18.03 | Thunder_Child | and they gained...8 points i thin |
| 19:18.04 | Thunder_Child | k |
| 19:18.04 | DWSR | pure DPS in 2s is pretty fun, actually. |
| 19:18.25 | DWSR | A pure DPS team in 2s needs an MS though |
| 19:18.36 | DWSR | thanks Matsy! |
| 19:18.48 | Matsy | Np |
| 19:18.51 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: silences and lockouts and interrupts may replace that well, too ;) |
| 19:19.27 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Not really. |
| 19:19.40 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: All of those are DR. |
| 19:19.43 | DWSR | MS is forever. |
| 19:19.58 | Gnarfoz | however, they are 100% healing reduction. :p |
| 19:20.36 | Matsy | MS? |
| 19:20.37 | Matsy | What |
| 19:20.38 | Matsy | DRE? |
| 19:20.42 | DWSR | Mortal Strike. |
| 19:20.44 | Matsy | What is this game :< |
| 19:20.58 | Matsy | Then again, I only know stuff about Paladins. |
| 19:21.02 | Matsy | And, priests |
| 19:21.05 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Aye, but most DPS classes have a silence/stun/etc. |
| 19:21.12 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Only a few classes have an MS. |
| 19:21.25 | Matsy | Oh wow |
| 19:21.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 19:21.33 | Matsy | Windows Azure works great. |
| 19:21.40 | DWSR | I 2s with an arms warrior, lemme tell you how OP that is against healers. |
| 19:21.40 | DWSR | Esp. tree healers. |
| 19:21.57 | Matsy | Bwah |
| 19:22.00 | Matsy | PvP :< |
| 19:22.08 | DWSR | Banish, Banish, Banish. Any hots that he does get off are MS/shield bashed out immediately. |
| 19:24.11 | DWSR | ahaha |
| 19:24.16 | DWSR | Minion's ad frame requires IE. |
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| 19:24.27 | DWSR | I don't have IE on windows. :D |
| 19:24.32 | Matsy | Uh |
| 19:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Win7? |
| 19:24.40 | Matsy | I dont think it requires IE. |
| 19:24.40 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 19:24.49 | DWSR | Matsy: Well, it requires something. |
| 19:24.56 | DWSR | Because it isn't displaying the ads. |
| 19:24.56 | Matsy | What did you remove? |
| 19:25.05 | Matsy | On your system? |
| 19:25.09 | DWSR | Nothing. |
| 19:25.17 | Matsy | .. Then how can you not have IE. |
| 19:25.23 | DWSR | By never installing it? |
| 19:25.33 | Matsy | It's there when you get Windows? |
| 19:26.10 | DWSR | Not if you slipstream your disk, or alternatively, download an already slipstreamed version |
| 19:26.42 | Matsy | Ah |
| 19:26.44 | Matsy | Slipstreamed. |
| 19:27.02 | AckisWork | http://15.media.tumblr.com/zcTqHiK8chotx9svVcVPd6SYo1_400.jpg |
| 19:27.57 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: hehe |
| 19:28.28 | Gnarfoz | "slipstreaming" is not what you call "ripping IE out of windows" |
| 19:28.46 | Gnarfoz | MSHTML will be there unless you really want it to be gone and do the right things to achieve that |
| 19:29.34 | Gnarfoz | nLite/vLite will probably have working ways of doing that, by now (when those tools first came around, it was way too easy to make your Windows install unusable, hehe) |
| 19:30.09 | DWSR | at any rate. |
| 19:30.15 | nevcairiel | i don't know if its really smart to remove the MSHTML core from windows |
| 19:30.16 | DWSR | CC shows ads just fine. |
| 19:30.18 | DWSR | Minion don't. |
| 19:30.32 | DWSR | so you tell me. |
| 19:31.00 | nevcairiel | I'm quite positive that wxWindows (what CC uses) does use a IE widget |
| 19:31.09 | nevcairiel | i have no idea what java does |
| 19:32.03 | Matsy | Let me check the source. |
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| 19:34.26 | Matsy | It uses a JHtmlPane in some external library. |
| 19:34.44 | AckisWork | DWSR: slipstream win 7? |
| 19:34.48 | Matsy | And then a JWebBrowser. ;o |
| 19:34.52 | Matsy | Let me check what that uses. |
| 19:36.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it's not a good idea, hehe |
| 19:37.25 | nevcairiel | on the win7+browser note .. the EU is seriously considering operas demands now <.< |
| 19:38.12 | Matsy | Hmm |
| 19:38.16 | NeoTron | which are? |
| 19:38.16 | Matsy | It uses IE on standard, DWSR |
| 19:38.28 | Matsy | But seems that it is able to use Mozilla too |
| 19:38.43 | DWSR | I use chrome |
| 19:38.44 | nevcairiel | They want to force Microsoft to bundle different browsers with windows, and allow the user to choose during install |
| 19:38.53 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 19:38.54 | Matsy | Can't use chrome ;p |
| 19:39.09 | NeoTron | users wouldn't know to do the decision |
| 19:39.14 | NeoTron | although I suppose users like me would |
| 19:39.22 | Gnarfoz | Microsoft hasn't got the distribution rights for that, and I'm not sure the respective owners would want to license their browser to Microsoft for that |
| 19:39.23 | Matsy | I would still pick for IE |
| 19:39.31 | Matsy | >_> |
| 19:39.35 | Matsy | *choose |
| 19:39.44 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: well opera and google did start those demands, i'm sure they would |
| 19:40.00 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: they're mad, I'm sure |
| 19:40.21 | nevcairiel | I still think its silly .. asking for the option to be able to get rid of IE is one thing |
| 19:40.26 | NeoTron | I'm still fully committed to Mozilla until the alternatives get adblock or equivalent |
| 19:40.34 | nevcairiel | but forcing them to distribute and advertise their competitors |
| 19:40.35 | nevcairiel | just silly |
| 19:41.00 | Matsy | http://adblockie.codeplex.com/ |
| 19:41.07 | Matsy | Have fun, Neotron. |
| 19:41.11 | durcyn | nevcairiel: i thought the idea was to let OEMs bundle whatever browser they wanted |
| 19:41.21 | durcyn | not force microsoft to include firefox on retail distributions |
| 19:41.29 | nevcairiel | if it were up to opera, every install would ask for a browser |
| 19:41.35 | durcyn | opera's crazy |
| 19:41.36 | Matsy | Then aegain |
| 19:41.38 | Dewin | Is anybody able to patch btw? |
| 19:41.40 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 19:41.40 | nevcairiel | if it were up to google, they would ask every boot |
| 19:41.44 | DWSR | yes |
| 19:41.44 | Matsy | Patch what? |
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| 19:41.47 | Matsy | WoW? |
| 19:41.49 | Dewin | Yes. |
| 19:41.54 | Matsy | There's a new patch? |
| 19:41.57 | Dewin | Blizzard tracker seems to be donw |
| 19:41.58 | Matsy | what |
| 19:42.00 | durcyn | 3.1.3 today, Matsy |
| 19:42.00 | nevcairiel | 3.1.3 |
| 19:42.03 | Matsy | Oh, wo |
| 19:42.05 | Matsy | w |
| 19:42.07 | Matsy | I missed so much |
| 19:42.18 | durcyn | dewin: a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 19:42.22 | Matsy | Ah |
| 19:42.24 | Matsy | Nothing special |
| 19:42.54 | Matsy | Haha |
| 19:42.56 | Dewin | durcyn: Thanks. I did want to confirm that the blizzard tracker was down before going to a mirror though. |
| 19:42.59 | Matsy | Death Knights getting a 20% armor nerf. |
| 19:43.02 | Dewin | Friend in another state is having problems as wel |
| 19:43.04 | Matsy | <3 |
| 19:44.22 | DWSR | Matsy: Only in FP. |
| 19:44.54 | Matsy | Yes. |
| 19:45.02 | Matsy | That's all they tank in, right? |
| 19:45.31 | Matsy | I havent ever touched a DK, so I wouldn't know |
| 19:45.44 | DWSR | Matsy: Not all DKs tank, thank god. |
| 19:45.54 | Matsy | Yes, indeed |
| 19:45.56 | Matsy | I hate healing DKs. |
| 19:45.59 | Matsy | For some reason |
| 19:46.07 | Matsy | Well, not all DKs :< |
| 19:46.16 | Matsy | There are some pro ones too. |
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| 19:46.26 | Matsy | But, most of the DKs I've healed burn health like a madman. |
| 19:46.43 | Matsy | Which makes Emalon impossible for a healer like me :( |
| 19:47.01 | Matsy | Hmm |
| 19:47.04 | VonhintenHOME` | My only problem with DK's currently is that if they're specced a certain way, their Death and Decay and Blood Boil can literally make it impossible for another other tank to get agro off them... |
| 19:47.05 | Matsy | Time for some 25 man |
| 19:47.14 | Matsy | What about taunt? |
| 19:47.29 | Thunder_Child | Matsy, that sounds like a porno |
| 19:47.36 | VonhintenHOME` | DK seems to get it right back |
| 19:47.46 | DWSR | VonhintenHOME`: That's a good thing (tm)? |
| 19:47.46 | Dewin | Silly question... why does the Minion download require javascript? |
| 19:47.49 | NightHawkTheSane | VonhintenHOME`: sounds like the DK, the other tank, or both of them need to not suck. :P |
| 19:47.57 | Matsy | Dewin |
| 19:47.59 | Matsy | It shouldn't. |
| 19:48.08 | VonhintenHOME` | The threat on the D&D and BB is just ridiculous, if specced a certain way |
| 19:48.08 | Dewin | It specifically said "Javascript is required to download Minion" |
| 19:48.11 | Thunder_Child | Matsy, it does |
| 19:48.12 | Matsy | All it needs to install Minion is Java webstart. |
| 19:48.15 | Matsy | It does not. |
| 19:48.16 | VonhintenHOME` | consecrate doesn't even come close |
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| 19:48.32 | Dewin | I'd copy/paste the message, but it crashed Firefox so I'm waiting for it to get around to restarting |
| 19:48.44 | Matsy | http://minion.mmoui.com/minion.jnlp |
| 19:48.47 | Matsy | Go there. |
| 19:48.53 | Matsy | With any browser |
| 19:48.58 | Thunder_Child | Matsy, it does if noscript is turned on |
| 19:49.08 | Thunder_Child | and thats exactly what it says |
| 19:49.08 | Matsy | Noscript is silly. |
| 19:49.18 | Thunder_Child | regardless |
| 19:49.31 | Matsy | I mean |
| 19:49.35 | Dewin | Considering the number of vulnerabilities and sites that don't responsibly use Javascript, I'd say noscript is not silly. |
| 19:49.37 | Matsy | It's not required for Minion |
| 19:49.39 | Matsy | For the site, at least. |
| 19:49.45 | DWSR | Matsy: Obviously Minion requires more than Java Webstart. ;) |
| 19:49.53 | Matsy | Well ;p |
| 19:49.57 | Matsy | If you frequently update your computer |
| 19:50.03 | Matsy | You wouldn't need them DWSR |
| 19:50.44 | Dewin | Matsy: Zero day vulnerabilities and CSRF are not protected against by frequent updates, especially when the latter is a problem at the website's end and not your computer's |
| 19:50.50 | Matsy | Uh. |
| 19:50.54 | Matsy | Dewin |
| 19:50.59 | Matsy | I was talking about the VC++ libraries. |
| 19:51.24 | DWSR | Matsy: I frequently update my Windows XP.... *sigh* |
| 19:51.27 | DWSR | XP was EOLed. |
| 19:51.31 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 19:51.33 | Matsy | XP |
| 19:51.37 | Matsy | Go Windows 7 |
| 19:51.46 | kneeki | Windows 7 goes on sale October 22nd |
| 19:51.55 | Matsy | Yet it is already available. |
| 19:52.02 | Matsy | And, you're right though, Dewin |
| 19:52.02 | kneeki | RC is avail |
| 19:52.11 | Thunder_Child | does it give a price kneeki? |
| 19:52.16 | Matsy | 0-day / CSRF are really scary |
| 19:52.19 | Matsy | Especially the 0-day ones. |
| 19:52.26 | kneeki | Thunder_Child: Do you want to pay your morgage, or buy a new OS? |
| 19:52.31 | kneeki | That's your decision |
| 19:52.40 | kneeki | I'm going to download it -_- |
| 19:52.47 | Thunder_Child | OS then since i dont have a morgage |
| 19:52.52 | DWSR | fuck 7. |
| 19:52.57 | Matsy | CSRF errors can easily be fixed by switching to C# <3 |
| 19:52.58 | Thunder_Child | though i think they owe me something for buying vista |
| 19:53.04 | Matsy | Haha |
| 19:53.06 | Matsy | Buying Vista |
| 19:53.09 | Matsy | I get it for free <3 |
| 19:53.09 | kneeki | lol |
| 19:53.21 | Matsy | I have like, 20 license keys |
| 19:53.26 | kneeki | gimme one |
| 19:53.28 | Thunder_Child | i got it for free later... |
| 19:53.34 | Matsy | Naw, Kneeki. ;p; |
| 19:53.39 | kneeki | Don't tease |
| 19:53.42 | Matsy | I use quite a lot of 'em |
| 19:54.11 | Dewin | I might be able to get it free, but i"d have to drive to Redmond. >.> |
| 19:54.45 | Matsy | How so? |
| 19:55.10 | Lunessa | Anyone mirroring today's patch? |
| 19:55.16 | nevcairiel | a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 19:55.17 | Matsy | I could? |
| 19:55.17 | nevcairiel | ^ |
| 19:55.21 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 19:55.22 | DWSR | a.wirebrain.de/wow/ |
| 19:55.27 | Lunessa | thanks nev |
| 19:55.27 | Dewin | Matsy: http://microsoft.com/playtest http://microsoft.com/usability |
| 19:55.52 | Dewin | It's how my wife and I got XP |
| 19:55.57 | Matsy | LOL |
| 19:56.01 | Matsy | Seriously? |
| 19:56.47 | Dewin | Yup. |
| 19:56.53 | Matsy | I didnt even know about that |
| 19:57.08 | jnwhiteh | AckisWork: ping |
| 19:57.18 | Dewin | Walked in, played a game, answered some questions, played more of said game, answered more said questions, walked out with retail box. |
| 19:57.24 | Dewin | Well, in my case they were out so they shipped it to me. |
| 19:58.17 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 19:58.19 | jnwhiteh | i could use another XP license :P |
| 19:59.06 | Dewin | I don't think XP is still available from that. |
| 19:59.21 | Dewin | probably something Vista, and not Ultimate |
| 19:59.28 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 19:59.30 | Matsy | jnwhiteh |
| 19:59.34 | Matsy | Need an XP license? |
| 19:59.36 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 19:59.44 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: pong |
| 19:59.49 | Matsy | I have thousands of those :< |
| 19:59.49 | jnwhiteh | just fun to have extras |
| 19:59.51 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 19:59.54 | jnwhiteh | then yes :P |
| 20:00.07 | Dewin | Do they start with FCKGW? :-p |
| 20:00.08 | jnwhiteh | AckisWork: did you get my response earlier re:wowwiki |
| 20:00.11 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 20:00.17 | Matsy | No |
| 20:00.23 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: no I didn't, it's prolly waiting for me at home |
| 20:00.25 | Matsy | It's not the FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT ones. |
| 20:00.26 | nevcairiel | How nerdy are we if we recognize that code? :P |
| 20:00.30 | Matsy | These are legit ones ;p |
| 20:00.32 | Matsy | Uh. |
| 20:00.35 | Matsy | I know it by heart >_> |
| 20:00.58 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.04 | Matsy | Getting one now |
| 20:01.09 | jnwhiteh | AckisWork: Basically, wowwiki could even display the data from wowprogramming |
| 20:01.11 | Dewin | nevcairiel: Hold on the line, the BSA anti-piracy thugs will be at your door shortly. |
| 20:01.15 | nevcairiel | I also still know HK6PD... was win2k or win98 .. i dont remember |
| 20:01.16 | jnwhiteh | AckisWork: they would just need to come to an arrangement with me |
| 20:01.31 | jnwhiteh | but linking is absolutely no issues. |
| 20:01.34 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: nice, there was a bit of discussion yesterday morning about it |
| 20:01.49 | Dewin | you used to be able to use 123-1234567 or 1234-123456 on Win95/98 and earlier versions of Office. |
| 20:01.51 | jnwhiteh | yeah, sad I missed it |
| 20:01.55 | jnwhiteh | in transit =/ |
| 20:02.04 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming is always going to be easier to update |
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| 20:02.11 | jnwhiteh | its just a better system |
| 20:02.14 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: wasn't too much detail lol |
| 20:02.17 | Matsy | jnwhiteh, PM'd you it. |
| 20:02.32 | expiation | wtb servers that are up :D |
| 20:03.36 | jnwhiteh | expiation: lrn2EU |
| 20:03.54 | jnwhiteh | tho admittedly i'll be sad tomorrow :P |
| 20:04.03 | nichdu | how do i add some text to a frame? |
| 20:04.18 | kneeki | nichdu: Create a font string |
| 20:04.19 | Matsy | In java? <3 |
| 20:04.19 | jnwhiteh | nichdu: create a font string |
| 20:04.20 | jnwhiteh | and display it |
| 20:04.25 | Matsy | :( |
| 20:06.20 | expiation | jnwhiteh they keep extending ours, they get everything nice and worked out for your go around? |
| 20:06.32 | jnwhiteh | they always do =) |
| 20:06.40 | jnwhiteh | the patch times for us are during their business hours |
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| 20:06.45 | jnwhiteh | so we tend to have the smoothest patches |
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| 20:06.52 | jnwhiteh | since the bugs get worked out on US |
| 20:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, jnwhiteh. |
| 20:07.08 | expiation | :( |
| 20:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's okay, expiation, jnwhiteh is too far away, I know I'm safe! |
| 20:07.42 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I don't think you want him too. He's in pretty good shape with all that rowing and stuff, so I bet he can really bite hard. |
| 20:07.42 | Matsy | What |
| 20:07.42 | alestane | bites Peppy. |
| 20:07.43 | Matsy | No. |
| 20:07.49 | Matsy | Our patch times are horrible |
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| 20:07.55 | Matsy | My day off is on a wednesday |
| 20:07.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yark, alestane, no sneakin' up! |
| 20:07.59 | Matsy | So I don't get to play 'til 12. |
| 20:08.09 | nevcairiel | Thats not our problem now, is it =P |
| 20:08.15 | durcyn | Lunessa: he's got those european teeth though. balances out. |
| 20:08.25 | Lopeppeppy | European... teeth? |
| 20:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | No, homegrown! |
| 20:08.28 | expiation | harsh |
| 20:08.30 | Matsy | I don't get it? |
| 20:08.34 | Matsy | I have braces mang |
| 20:08.35 | Matsy | :( |
| 20:08.45 | alestane | Nom nom nom. |
| 20:08.55 | Lunessa | nah his teeth were born here in the USA. He's only had a year of non-floridated water and brit food. They're probably fine. |
| 20:09.52 | Matsy | Bornnn, in the USAA |
| 20:10.00 | nichdu | ah, thank you kneeki and jnwhiteh |
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| 20:15.47 | alestane | Remember folks, your "Load out-of-dat addons" button is turned off. |
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| 20:17.49 | Hjalte | Is there an addon that will mark my target? |
| 20:17.59 | Matsy | Darn. Wrong channel :( |
| 20:18.08 | alestane | Hunter's Mark, or raid mark? |
| 20:18.11 | durcyn | Hjalte: magictargets, but it does that and a whole lot more |
| 20:18.15 | durcyn | er magicmarker |
| 20:18.29 | Hjalte | durcyn: Sure it can continuosly mark my target in combat? |
| 20:18.45 | nevcairiel | you can configure it to, i think. but it does alot more |
| 20:18.56 | durcyn | i don't think SetRaidTarget is protected |
| 20:19.05 | nevcairiel | what you want is like 10 lines of code |
| 20:19.10 | nevcairiel | just set a target on target change |
| 20:19.23 | durcyn | er SetRaidTargetIcon |
| 20:20.31 | durcyn | 3 lines even, local f = CreatFrame("Frame") f:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED") f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8) end) |
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| 20:21.24 | Matsy | ;o |
| 20:21.28 | Matsy | Lol |
| 20:21.33 | Matsy | I finished my 3D care meter |
| 20:21.36 | Matsy | Haha |
| 20:21.42 | Lopeppeppy | inspects nevcairiel closely |
| 20:21.53 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 20:22.00 | Lopeppeppy | hi2u |
| 20:22.22 | nevcairiel | how can i please you today? |
| 20:22.45 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, do NOT make me snarf my drink like that. *laugh* |
| 20:23.04 | nevcairiel | you started it! |
| 20:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 20:23.37 | zenzelezz | see, if I'd said that, I'd just be accused of thinking dirty again |
| 20:23.39 | zenzelezz | there's no justice |
| 20:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I do want a pwny and some chocolate, not necessarily in that order. |
| 20:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I totally did call him a pervert, just in a round-about way. |
| 20:25.45 | nevcairiel | is confused now |
| 20:25.57 | Lopeppeppy | hi2u |
| 20:26.17 | Lopeppeppy | You have been the victim of a completely random Peppy moment, please press 3 to continue on with your day with only a slight headache. |
| 20:26.33 | Arrowmaster | 3 |
| 20:26.39 | foxlit | It's a pity Curse of Mending only lasts 60 seconds |
| 20:26.51 | Lopeppeppy | ... curse of mending? I need to get me some of that. |
| 20:27.33 | alestane | Now if only 'locks actually got that curse. |
| 20:29.08 | foxlit | There are two mages in this group. |
| 20:29.12 | foxlit | They've both been debuffed. |
| 20:29.17 | foxlit | And they're both spamming arcane missiles. |
| 20:29.55 | alestane | Thereby pumping random healing into the target? |
| 20:30.09 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 20:30.10 | DWSR | bartender breakin the latest patch? |
| 20:30.20 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt know why |
| 20:30.22 | p3lim | is it possible to set the font height right inside the string like you can set the colors by hex? |
| 20:30.28 | nevcairiel | but of course i didnt see a framexml diff yet |
| 20:30.30 | nevcairiel | if there is any |
| 20:30.40 | nevcairiel | no p3lim |
| 20:30.40 | DWSR | Shirik: Heart Minion |
| 20:30.49 | VonhintenHOME` | nev, works fine for me... probably just needs to tick Load out of date addons |
| 20:30.58 | foxlit | We did end up killing it anyway |
| 20:30.58 | p3lim | hm |
| 20:31.05 | foxlit | But then they charged Tenebon with the curse still on |
| 20:31.08 | p3lim | DropDownMenu kills me :/ |
| 20:31.09 | DWSR | VonhintenHOME`: It's loaded. |
| 20:31.27 | DWSR | VonhintenHOME`: Oh wow, WTF? |
| 20:31.30 | DWSR | I have 2 sets of action bars. |
| 20:31.37 | DWSR | I have the default actionbars and I have Bartender's bars. |
| 20:31.55 | VonhintenHOME` | You sir should watch your arse, for Dragon's, they may fly out of it |
| 20:31.58 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, I'm escaping for the time being!! |
| 20:32.02 | alestane | No changes to the stock UI files this patch. |
| 20:32.05 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 20:33.10 | DWSR | alestane: Yeah, so I'm getting a conflict between mods. |
| 20:33.20 | DWSR | This one's really odd, since it's making my default actionbars visible again. |
| 20:33.41 | VonhintenHOME` | You're in lala land now |
| 20:34.09 | DWSR | pretty much *reverts UI changes and disables recently installed mods* |
| 20:34.17 | DWSR | btw, anyone know if ATSW is less buggy now? |
| 20:34.35 | foxlit | It's a pity there's only three instances of this trash pack in the instance. |
| 20:34.50 | DWSR | foxlit: What are you doing? |
| 20:35.00 | foxlit | OS10 |
| 20:35.31 | DWSR | Oh, big tall guys? |
| 20:35.34 | DWSR | Yeah, they're fun. |
| 20:35.39 | foxlit | It's a comedy of errors |
| 20:35.46 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:35.51 | foxlit | They've now pulled shadron with that trash pack |
| 20:36.05 | DWSR | sigh |
| 20:36.23 | DWSR | that instance is such a gimme. |
| 20:37.00 | Matsy | OS10 is fun |
| 20:37.02 | Matsy | <3 |
| 20:37.33 | foxlit | It's fun because I can basically solo heal the raid while remaining at 90% mana |
| 20:38.07 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 20:38.10 | Matsy | Almost no raid damage |
| 20:38.13 | Matsy | Except when they screw up |
| 20:38.35 | DWSR | foxlit: Which class? |
| 20:38.50 | p3lim | just did OS10 3D as feral dps, had 7,6k dps :) |
| 20:38.58 | p3lim | killed him in 1min 4 sec |
| 20:39.09 | foxlit | Nah, just the trash. |
| 20:39.14 | DWSR | also, can you pull all 3 drakes simultaneously, but seperate from the boss? |
| 20:39.22 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 20:39.24 | nevcairiel | but why? |
| 20:39.27 | p3lim | :p |
| 20:39.36 | foxlit | Can you *then* pull the boss? |
| 20:39.46 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:39.49 | nevcairiel | well you can |
| 20:39.56 | nevcairiel | but the drakes reset and launch into the air |
| 20:40.00 | DWSR | That's fail. |
| 20:40.12 | foxlit | I take it someone has tried? |
| 20:40.24 | Matsy | Lol |
| 20:40.26 | Matsy | I should try it |
| 20:40.26 | nevcairiel | of course, pretty obvious idea |
| 20:40.40 | nevcairiel | get them to 10%, pull boss, kill |
| 20:41.14 | foxlit | So who is that exploitative? :) |
| 20:41.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:41.38 | KarlKFI | you can kill him before the 2nd drake lands |
| 20:41.47 | KarlKFI | pull him to the entrance |
| 20:42.02 | KarlKFI | have a tank and a healer on the first drake when it drops |
| 20:42.06 | KarlKFI | everyone else ont he boss |
| 20:42.24 | foxlit | I thought the area outside the core got imba raid damage? |
| 20:42.56 | KarlKFI | does it? |
| 20:43.44 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:43.54 | foxlit | Otherwise you could bypass the wave mechanic just by moving the boss a few more feet. |
| 20:44.37 | KarlKFI | mmm someone's been lying to me then |
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| 20:47.29 | Matsy | Hey Shirik |
| 20:48.09 | durcyn | he spams a pyroblast barrage on anyone who's outside the wave area |
| 20:48.31 | durcyn | it only hits for a lot ;) |
| 20:49.23 | nevcairiel | doesnt it stack some debuff too, or something? |
| 20:49.38 | nevcairiel | it was pretty extreme, anyway |
| 20:49.54 | durcyn | i think it just hits for a lot, i dno't remember a debuff |
| 20:51.13 | foxlit | increases fire damage, I think |
| 20:51.19 | foxlit | You could possibly take a few while running away |
| 20:51.27 | foxlit | But you won't survive if you plan on standing outside. |
| 20:52.10 | Fisker- | btw mikma |
| 20:52.17 | Fisker- | another single from the new album: http://il.infected-mushroom.com/music/SmashingTheOpponent/Smashing%20The%20Opponent%20-%20Radio%20Edit.mp3 |
| 20:52.48 | nicoli_s | smashing pumpkins? ewww, i saw billy corgan doing a wwe commercial not too long ago, sellout central |
| 20:53.08 | Fisker- | Smashing Pumpkins? |
| 20:53.08 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 20:53.26 | nicoli_s | oh misread that link |
| 20:53.49 | nicoli_s | isnt infected mushroom some jamband hippie music? |
| 20:54.08 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 20:54.14 | Fisker- | This is madness |
| 20:54.24 | nevcairiel | if Fisker- listens to it, it sure is nicoli_s |
| 20:54.29 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infected_Mushroom |
| 20:54.37 | nicoli_s | i mean i got no problem with it, im going to see phish in like 9 days |
| 20:55.05 | nicoli_s | so it's hippie trance music, close enough |
| 20:58.01 | DWSR | Viscous Delicious |
| 20:58.04 | DWSR | kthxbai |
| 20:58.34 | DWSR | s/Viscous/Vicious/ |
| 20:59.17 | nicoli_s | animal collective is the best hippie electonica hands down |
| 21:06.53 | nicoli_s | glad to see no one attempted to argue that |
| 21:09.27 | Dewin | Why do WoW updates make you reread the EULA/TOS even when it's not changed ("Last Updated July 29, 2008") >.> |
| 21:10.02 | KarlKFI | good question |
| 21:10.16 | durcyn | they've got some policy to reset the cvar every patch |
| 21:10.21 | Lunessa | ... wondering where a city boy can go, to get a little conversation, drink a little red wine... |
| 21:10.26 | durcyn | either edit your wtf manually or suck it up =P |
| 21:10.53 | Dewin | durcyn: yeah, it'd make more sense to just edit on patches where it is revised. |
| 21:11.17 | tekkub | *wimper* |
| 21:11.18 | Matsy | Uh |
| 21:11.21 | Matsy | Dewin, there's a reason for that |
| 21:11.25 | tekkub | I have a zit INSIDE MY EAR |
| 21:11.31 | durcyn | what's sense got to do with anything blizzard does? |
| 21:11.33 | tekkub | and it hurts... how to fuck do I pop it |
| 21:11.48 | Matsy | Every time blizzard releases a new product, people need to "reaccept" the TOS / TOU |
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| 21:12.39 | p3lim | there an icon of a man's face in the client, anyone know a spell that uses it? |
| 21:12.50 | p3lim | he looks like a redneck |
| 21:12.52 | Dewin | Samwise? |
| 21:12.53 | p3lim | or something |
| 21:12.55 | foxlit | There is no longer an icon of a man's face in the client. |
| 21:13.09 | p3lim | its completely removed? |
| 21:13.17 | foxlit | It's been replaced. |
| 21:13.19 | Dewin | Matsy: Depending on how things are written, updates may or may not be considered a new product. |
| 21:13.20 | foxlit | By a giant W. |
| 21:13.21 | p3lim | with |
| 21:13.27 | p3lim | example spell? |
| 21:13.30 | Matsy | Dewin |
| 21:13.34 | foxlit | It's a placeholder, silly. |
| 21:13.38 | Matsy | Blizzard sees new updates as a new product\ |
| 21:13.43 | foxlit | You're not meant to see it. |
| 21:13.44 | durcyn | there's a reason it's named Interface\Icons\Temp |
| 21:13.59 | Matsy | It doesn't. The last change to the End User License Agreement (EULA) and the Terms of Use Agreement (TOS/TOU) happened back on July 29, 2008. Grelk mentioned in reply to your question that Blizzard has released a new product, essentially, and that they need you to accept all that stuff for the new version which makes sense. |
| 21:14.02 | p3lim | i know im not supposed to see it |
| 21:14.07 | p3lim | im gonna use it :3 |
| 21:14.08 | durcyn | and you should google samwise didier =P |
| 21:14.25 | p3lim | he hawt |
| 21:14.39 | Dewin | Quartz used to use the icon for spells that had no icon |
| 21:14.54 | durcyn | still does, Dewin |
| 21:15.02 | Dewin | Figured as much |
| 21:15.02 | Cide | why would you not use a question mark for that? |
| 21:15.13 | Cide | s/ a / the / |
| 21:15.25 | durcyn | because Samwise is so much more stylish? |
| 21:15.39 | p3lim | yep |
| 21:15.45 | p3lim | icon looks like this: http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/421437-sammy_large.gif |
| 21:16.36 | Matsy | Good night all. |
| 21:16.39 | Matsy | ;p |
| 21:16.45 | Cide | no it doesn't |
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| 21:17.14 | p3lim | yes it does |
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| 21:17.30 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 21:17.34 | p3lim | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/03/strangeicon.jpg |
| 21:17.41 | p3lim | yes it does |
| 21:17.46 | Cide | the face maybe |
| 21:17.56 | zenzelezz | p3lim: photoshopped |
| 21:17.58 | p3lim | yeah its the same, just cut down |
| 21:18.12 | Cide | which is still different |
| 21:19.15 | nicoli_s | thats the placeholder face |
| 21:19.20 | nicoli_s | it was in wc3 too |
| 21:19.27 | zenzelezz | in your placeholder!!! |
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| 21:20.45 | foxlit | It's Icons\Temp |
| 21:20.48 | foxlit | Except it isn't. |
| 21:21.30 | p3lim | Icons\Temp\BTNTemp |
| 21:21.32 | p3lim | ? |
| 21:21.44 | foxlit | No, just Icons |
| 21:21.47 | foxlit | \Temp |
| 21:21.52 | foxlit | .blp |
| 21:22.07 | p3lim | ah |
| 21:22.36 | p3lim | they must have replaced it |
| 21:23.23 | durcyn | it's been Interface\\Icons\\Temp for about forever |
| 21:23.31 | p3lim | its a W now |
| 21:23.50 | foxlit | "foxlit: It's been replaced." "foxlit: By a giant W." You don't say! :) |
| 21:23.55 | durcyn | oh. balls. |
| 21:24.02 | durcyn | hey, lay off, scrollback is hard. |
| 21:24.06 | Tuller | holy crap nintendo game extravaganza |
| 21:24.22 | Lunessa | Who is scroll back and what's he all excited about? |
| 21:24.42 | p3lim | shame the samwise icon is gone |
| 21:26.58 | p3lim | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Temp.png |
| 21:28.19 | Drexore | Is there a way to get the name of a function/procedure dynamically? |
| 21:28.52 | foxlit | So I'm pondering whether to buy http://cdbaby.com/cd/ooklathemok01 (digital download, not mp3) |
| 21:29.15 | foxlit | Drexore: what do you have, and what do you want? |
| 21:29.28 | zenzelezz | foxlit: MP3 isn't digital? |
| 21:29.55 | foxlit | er, cd |
| 21:30.31 | zenzelezz | well, I can't speak for the particular artist, but I love the website |
| 21:31.03 | foxlit | fs, 70 heroics still have mobs that hit for far, far too much. |
| 21:31.42 | Drexore | Got the following proc (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115305). I would like to remove the need to provide the proc name as a string and as a proc |
| 21:31.57 | zenzelezz | 3.2: "Nerfed 70 heroics so 80s can now solo everything" |
| 21:32.35 | Drexore | Uhm, looking at the code now I could also only use the string version.... |
| 21:32.40 | foxlit | sold! |
| 21:35.17 | mikma | fisker-: that's odd, wasn't it you who said that infected mushrooms sucked etc O_o |
| 21:38.44 | Cide | lua> print((function(...) return { ["action"] true, ... }; end)(1, 2, 3)) |
| 21:38.44 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'true' |
| 21:38.49 | Cide | lua> print((function(...) return { ["action"] = true, ... }; end)(1, 2, 3)) |
| 21:38.49 | lua_bot | Cide: table: 0x8f9dac0 |
| 21:38.56 | Cide | lua> pp((function(...) return { ["action"] = true, ... }; end)(1, 2, 3)) |
| 21:38.56 | lua_bot | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, ["action"] = true } (#1) |
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| 21:43.59 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1243339946451.jpg |
| 21:44.02 | mikma | :D |
| 21:44.39 | Thunder_Child | old but so amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM |
| 21:45.03 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/userfriendly-evolution-of-language.png |
| 21:46.41 | kneeki | Thunder_Child: I love it! |
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| 21:52.15 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child likes to <bleeeeeeeeeeep> stuff. |
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| 21:56.56 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Lunessa |
| 21:56.57 | purl | follow's Lunessa with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
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| 22:04.04 | Lunessa | kd3 ping |
| 22:05.02 | Lunessa | Any other WoWWikkians here? |
| 22:05.30 | Lunessa | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Macro - keeps redirecting to some wierd shit. |
| 22:05.47 | Tuller | super nachos |
| 22:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What's weird exactly? |
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| 22:06.33 | foxlit | redirects to http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro |
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| 22:09.39 | Lunessa | It's jumping to something for an ad for athena something in Firefox. |
| 22:09.46 | Lunessa | And then loading forever and ever and ever |
| 22:09.55 | Lunessa | Works ok in safari |
| 22:10.40 | p3lim | anyone that can spot which font is used here?: |
| 22:10.40 | p3lim | http://unnaturalguild.com/upload/SigBFF.png |
| 22:13.06 | Zhinjio | jesus thats small |
| 22:13.40 | kneeki | Raptor Jesus? |
| 22:13.52 | kneeki | *looks around* |
| 22:15.58 | Tuller | argh, can't concentrate |
| 22:17.45 | durcyn | Tuller: I hear good things about meth |
| 22:17.56 | kneeki | Masterbate |
| 22:18.29 | Tuller | I will not replace my foot with a wheel |
| 22:18.48 | kneeki | I use my hands, but whatever |
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| 22:22.24 | Thunder_Child | anyone know the new dmg on mimrons mines? |
| 22:22.57 | nicoli_s | 42? |
| 22:23.05 | Thunder_Child | ~lart nicoli_s |
| 22:23.05 | purl | gives nicoli_s a good seeing to |
| 22:23.13 | kneeki | 43 |
| 22:23.33 | bleetah | well that was interesting, 3.1.3 patch under wine gave all appearances of crashing without ever really starting up (a window called "" was the only observable)... and yet it still patched |
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| 22:35.15 | Wobin | Hehe suitcases -made- of cocaine... |
| 22:35.51 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/world/police-find-suitcase-made-of-cocaine-20090603-buj4.html |
| 22:36.22 | foxlit | "Morales said that the suitcases were made of a substance combining cocaine with resin and glass fibre." |
| 22:36.34 | foxlit | Meh. It'd be more impressive if the other components couldn't be used to make a suitcase |
| 22:36.37 | Wobin | I wonder how they were going to extract it |
| 22:36.50 | foxlit | "He said a "chemical process" could be used to separate out the drug." |
| 22:36.55 | Wobin | oh yes |
| 22:36.58 | Wobin | actually reads |
| 22:37.11 | foxlit | I wonder why they bother to put quotes around chemical process |
| 22:37.18 | foxlit | Is it because there's no faith in "chemistry"? |
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| 22:37.42 | End | it's things like the westfall chicken that force you to spam |
| 22:37.47 | Wobin | No doubt the quotation marks are there for plausible deniability |
| 22:37.52 | Wobin | much like IANAL |
| 22:38.28 | aesir | End: I learned to stop worrying and love the Westfall Chicken once I found The Macro. |
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| 22:38.39 | Wobin | oh brilliant |
| 22:38.43 | Wobin | reads the login notice |
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| 22:38.58 | End | you mean a macro that does /chicken? |
| 22:39.17 | Wobin | actually... I suspect it's /love chicken |
| 22:39.20 | End | I think I strutted around Chicken ~100 times or so |
| 22:39.23 | Wobin | in aesir's case |
| 22:39.23 | aesir | It goes beyond that. 2 clicks and you become the owner of a loving and loyal Westfall Chicken. |
| 22:39.28 | End | hahaha |
| 22:40.55 | Wobin | so our 12 hour downtime has extended to... 18 hours? |
| 22:41.17 | End | D: |
| 22:41.33 | foxlit | And it's a *minor* patch |
| 22:41.41 | End | hm |
| 22:42.06 | End | I wonder if I'll get to raid tonight |
| 22:42.06 | foxlit | I wonder why they insist on client-side patching for such minor adjustments. |
| 22:42.21 | foxlit | "We need to change a string" "Release a patch!" |
| 22:42.32 | End | well |
| 22:42.37 | End | some realms got hardware modifications |
| 22:42.43 | End | (such as mine!) |
| 22:43.06 | Wobin | and mine |
| 22:43.16 | Wobin | and I assume this is the cause of the 'issues' |
| 22:43.18 | foxlit | and... not mine. |
| 22:46.05 | foxlit | "it STILL won't set the variable." |
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| 22:50.51 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 22:50.52 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 22:51.52 | Cralor` | which servers are getting "hardware modifications"? the ones listed above? |
| 22:52.03 | Wobin | well I know mine was |
| 22:52.09 | Cralor` | how |
| 22:52.18 | Wobin | the previous note |
| 22:52.21 | End | yes, its the one in the list |
| 22:52.27 | End | ones |
| 22:52.32 | Cralor` | oh ok... cool ! :P |
| 22:52.37 | Wobin | which was "These realms are getting hardware adjustments and will be down for 12 hours" |
| 22:52.47 | End | they're also the ones that are still down on the realm status page :P |
| 22:52.48 | Cralor` | I think mine is geting a decrease |
| 22:52.57 | Cralor` | Been Low pop for ages |
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| 22:55.24 | nicoli_s | man how does blizz mess up a simple patch like this so bad? |
| 22:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | How's it messed up, nicoli_s? I just logged in and tooled around a bit just fine. |
| 22:56.07 | Kalroth | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/17367755578-extended-maintenance-update.html - this is how it's messed up |
| 22:56.23 | Hirsute-Home | Is the ability to highlight/ignore multiple addons at once planned for Minion? |
| 22:56.25 | End | some of the servers aren't up, but I think that has to do with whoever was touching the server hardware |
| 22:56.50 | Hirsute-Home | Someone certainly managed to bork something today. |
| 22:57.07 | nicoli_s | hirsute, i think they said on the wowinterface forums they dont have that planned |
| 22:58.22 | Hirsute-Home | nicoli_s: Really? I must have missed it. That's *really* unfortunate, as it's the only thing I don't like about Minion so far, but it bugs me enough that if I ever have to redo my ignores, I'll probably just stop using Minion. |
| 23:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy Quiz question of great randomness: can anyone recommend a NTFS filesystem recovery tools for windoze? |
| 23:00.25 | Hirsute-Home | I've had success with GetDataBack for NTFS from Runtime Software. |
| 23:00.26 | Cralor` | trying to find the easy way out, is there a way to overwrite a WoW texture in Lua? (what i mean is, instead of adding a Interface\PlayerFrame\UI-PlayerFrame-Deathknight-Blood.blp file, doing that in-game) |
| 23:00.42 | Cralor` | Never used it, but I believe 'Recuva' is one |
| 23:01.00 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks Cralor`, I'll put that one on the list! |
| 23:01.10 | Cralor` | Welcome |
| 23:01.12 | Cralor` | :) |
| 23:01.23 | foxlit | Cralor`: to varying degrees of success. |
| 23:01.57 | foxlit | You could enumerate every frame, get all the textures, check whether they're currently showing the old texture, and replace it with a replacement if they are. |
| 23:02.02 | Cralor` | i know i could find some way with SetTexture, but the problem is that there is also a UI-PlayerFrame-Deathknight-Blood-Off.blp - the file for when you have no more of that rune. |
| 23:02.05 | foxlit | That might break any settexcoord transformations on the frame. |
| 23:02.14 | bleetah | Kalroth: would seem the patch is OK, but the hardware upgrade didn't work well |
| 23:02.42 | bleetah | omg it's Lopeppeppy HAI U! :x |
| 23:02.43 | foxlit | Find another way. |
| 23:02.52 | foxlit | If you're interested in modifying specific frame, change that frame. |
| 23:03.07 | Wobin | bleetah: nice to see they're offering compensation =P |
| 23:03.07 | foxlit | s/ing spe/ing a spe/ |
| 23:04.01 | bleetah | Wobin: well if they learned anything from the abortion of 6 months of oceanic issues with no compensation... |
| 23:04.15 | bleetah | Wobin: it'd be to mention compensation at the earliest possible opportunity |
| 23:04.56 | Lopeppeppy | heya, bleetah! |
| 23:04.58 | bleetah | coz back then it was all 'oh we can't discuss compensation until it's fixed' |
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| 23:05.57 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47540 |
| 23:06.04 | foxlit | what's with "30 - 40 yd range"? |
| 23:06.39 | durcyn | 40 with talents, isn't it? |
| 23:06.53 | Hirsute-Home | Bah, I can't find any actual discussion of multi-select on the WI forums at all. A thread where it's asked for, but none where there's any comment. |
| 23:07.13 | foxlit | short version: feature freeze |
| 23:07.29 | foxlit | long version: kitchen sink is coming in a patch. |
| 23:08.01 | Hirsute-Home | foxlit: Was that a response to me? |
| 23:08.19 | foxlit | somewhat. I'm in no position to respond to you, however. :) |
| 23:09.14 | Hirsute-Home | Fair enough. |
| 23:09.14 | Cralor` | He means that right now features won't be added in. Bugs need fixing first |
| 23:09.30 | Hirsute-Home | Oh, I understood what he meant, just wasn't sure if it was a response to me. |
| 23:09.35 | dardack | why doesn't this work MRMGUIMainFrame_MountLabel..i:SetText(i..". ") |
| 23:09.39 | Cralor` | ah ok sorry :) |
| 23:09.48 | Hirsute-Home | No problem |
| 23:10.05 | Hirsute-Home | On another note: Who can handle Minion bug-tracker account problems? |
| 23:10.16 | Hirsute-Home | Shirik? |
| 23:11.45 | MentalPower | dardack: because it thinks you want to concatenate MRMGUIMainFrame_MountLabel and i, MRMGUIMainFrame_MountLabel being a frame cannot be concatenated with i (a number) |
| 23:11.51 | Hjalte | foxlit: I believe it's 40 yard when used for healing, 30 yards when used for doing damage. |
| 23:11.53 | bleetah | hah game motd still welcomes us to WOW 3.1.2 |
| 23:12.04 | dardack | MentalPower: but i have like MountLabel1 through MountLabel12 |
| 23:12.10 | dardack | i want to be able to loop through them |
| 23:12.16 | bleetah | you'd think the game would have that as a dynamic string |
| 23:12.19 | dardack | and it's a frontstring |
| 23:12.48 | foxlit | http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/beau_justice/WoW_Stuffs/untitled.jpg |
| 23:12.52 | MentalPower | _G["MRMGUIMainFrame_MountLabel"..i]:SetText:("Foo") |
| 23:13.03 | dardack | what does the _G do? |
| 23:13.14 | MentalPower | its a reference to the global table |
| 23:13.17 | dardack | ahh |
| 23:13.20 | dardack | thanks very much |
| 23:13.28 | End | thing getglobal, but if it was a table |
| 23:13.31 | End | think* |
| 23:13.40 | MentalPower | getglobal is evil |
| 23:14.02 | End | yes, but FrameXML is smothered by it, so it might be more familiar to people :P |
| 23:14.21 | dardack | anyone know the longest named mount? |
| 23:14.28 | dardack | just off top of head |
| 23:14.38 | dardack | about to look through the wowcollec |
| 23:15.49 | Cralor` | i think : http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32861 |
| 23:16.16 | dardack | Winged Steed of the Ebon Blade |
| 23:16.28 | dardack | i think |
| 23:16.40 | Cralor` | the one i linked has 34 letters |
| 23:16.53 | Cralor` | not including spaces (if that counts) |
| 23:17.33 | Cralor` | 33 sorry |
| 23:17.59 | foxlit | but that's an item |
| 23:18.10 | foxlit | the mount is "Veridian Netherwing Drake" |
| 23:18.21 | Cralor` | ah true, true |
| 23:18.36 | Cralor` | then dardack is probably right |
| 23:19.05 | dardack | thanks |
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| 23:20.51 | Thunder_Child | does vindication work on mobs? |
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| 23:24.51 | Wobin | what time pdt is it? |
| 23:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | In California? 3:30 give or take |
| 23:25.21 | Wobin | ugh, another 2 hours? =( |
| 23:25.26 | Thunder_Child | 4:25 pst |
| 23:25.40 | dardack | can you set a color in the xml for fontstring? |
| 23:25.47 | Wobin | Blizzard totally needs to start listing times at GMT |
| 23:26.11 | Wobin | More people know their GMT offset than some random american timezone |
| 23:26.42 | foxlit | s/GMT/UTC/ |
| 23:26.56 | MentalPower | here we go again with GMT vs UTC... |
| 23:27.11 | Thunder_Child | ~vs GMT UTC |
| 23:27.12 | purl | in a one on one showdown, GMT wins. |
| 23:27.12 | Kraps | is this miss rate acceptable for pve? its my pvp set, and i want to know if i need more hit, or i can add more stuff like crit http://wowwebstats.com/6zmpldeddtm2w?a=x500000001d2c06c |
| 23:27.39 | MentalPower | Ëlistkeys vs |
| 23:27.55 | Wobin | either or |
| 23:27.59 | MentalPower | ~listkeys vs |
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| 23:28.02 | Wobin | I'm not overly concerned about leap seconds =P |
| 23:28.31 | MentalPower | GMT has leap seconds IIRC |
| 23:28.32 | KarlKFI | 4:28 |
| 23:28.45 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 23:28.53 | foxlit | GMT is a myth |
| 23:28.59 | foxlit | (in that they actually use UTC) |
| 23:29.05 | KarlKFI | servers still not up? |
| 23:29.06 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is a myth |
| 23:29.16 | foxlit | No, you're confusing things. |
| 23:29.18 | airtonix | http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl |
| 23:29.19 | foxlit | My mom is legendary. |
| 23:29.21 | Hirsute-Home | KarlKFI: Depends on the server, but there are still a lot of them borked |
| 23:29.35 | airtonix | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 23:29.39 | bleetah | good old 'unbreakable' Elune |
| 23:30.13 | Wobin | airtonix: oh wow, thank you for that link |
| 23:30.34 | KarlKFI | yay mine snot down |
| 23:30.53 | Wobin | I'm currently playing on my old server =P |
| 23:30.57 | Wobin | and it's terrible |
| 23:31.04 | Wobin | cause now I want a mage on my normal server |
| 23:31.07 | foxlit | Things get strange around the US daylight savings |
| 23:31.15 | Lopeppeppy | No daylight! No! |
| 23:31.19 | bleetah | maybe the servers caught swine fluy |
| 23:31.21 | foxlit | Does "Eastern" suddenly become "Central"... and stuff. |
| 23:32.21 | Legorol | foxlit: it shouldn't |
| 23:32.27 | Hirsute-Home | No |
| 23:32.29 | Thunder_Child | Note to self: Nettops do not have beep codes. |
| 23:32.31 | Legorol | Eastern Standard Time becomes Eastern Daylight Time etc. |
| 23:32.37 | Thunder_Child | that would have been nice to know 20 min earlier |
| 23:32.58 | Hirsute-Home | There's only one place that I'm aware of in the continental US that doesn't change times, and that's Arizona. |
| 23:33.02 | foxlit | so "eastern time" is also a myth |
| 23:33.03 | Thunder_Child | netbooks* |
| 23:33.11 | Legorol | foxlit: yes it is a horrible misnomer |
| 23:33.24 | Hirsute-Home | foxlit: All time is a myth |
| 23:33.25 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute-Home, there are a few others that do not do DST |
| 23:33.29 | Legorol | to make things more interesting, European convention is different |
| 23:33.30 | Thunder_Child | but ya |
| 23:33.38 | Kraps | Wobin: you'll still get "appropriate compensation" :p |
| 23:33.42 | Legorol | for example, Central European Time becomes Central European Summer Time |
| 23:33.51 | Hirsute-Home | Thunder_Child: Good to know, I'll have to look up which ones. |
| 23:33.53 | Wobin | Kraps: "Appropriate" eh? |
| 23:33.54 | Legorol | i mean naming convention |
| 23:34.05 | Kraps | lol |
| 23:34.07 | Legorol | or consider this one: Greenwhich Mean Time becomes British Summer Time |
| 23:34.08 | foxlit | At least "Summer" communicates when |
| 23:34.16 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute-Home, if you do let me know since it was something that was mentioned to me |
| 23:34.16 | foxlit | "Daylight" and "Standard" tell me nothing. |
| 23:34.29 | Hirsute-Home | Ah, okay |
| 23:34.31 | Legorol | or as a friend of mine likes to put it: |
| 23:34.52 | Legorol | Gods Marvellous Time becomes Boringly Stupid Time |
| 23:36.34 | Hirsute-Home | Thunder_Child: No, it actually looks like Arizona is the only place in the continental US that doesn't observe DST. Indiana didn't until 2005, and Hawaii still doesn't, but it's not part of the continental US. |
| 23:38.07 | aesir | Part of Indiana still does not. |
| 23:38.58 | KarlKFI | Arizona would prefer more moonlight hours and less daylight saving. |
| 23:39.36 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@sfcc-208-115-75-237.smartcity.com) |
| 23:39.36 | aesir | sorry, I'm wrong, it's not that part of Indiana doesn't observe a DST, it's that some counties are in Eastern TZ, while the majority of the state is Central. omfg |
| 23:39.42 | Hirsute-Home | aesir: Good to know, are you an Indiana resident? |
| 23:39.49 | Hirsute-Home | Okay, because that's what I read. |
| 23:39.55 | Hirsute-Home | Was your second comment. |
| 23:40.03 | aesir | No, I just have a brain that stores information I'll never actually need. |
| 23:40.31 | foxlit | aesir: the cube root of 2 is approximately 1.26 |
| 23:40.33 | Legorol | aesir: you are not alone. You are joined by about 6 billion other humans. |
| 23:40.33 | KarlKFI | i'll trade you. my deletes things i don't currently need and some things i do |
| 23:40.35 | Wobin | hehe the Arcane Serpents in Coldarra are so much fun to cast spells at |
| 23:40.54 | KarlKFI | mine* |
| 23:40.56 | aesir | Why do I know this? Because I drove on the Pulaski skyway fairly frequently. And as it happens, Pulaski is a name found in several states. It's even a county in Indiana. Which is in the 'wrong' time zone. |
| 23:40.58 | Hirsute-Home | Because the spell effects get *enormous*? |
| 23:41.07 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute-Home, ok, thanks |
| 23:41.20 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 23:41.58 | Wobin | often hard to tell how close they are though |
| 23:43.41 | *** part/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@sfcc-208-115-75-237.smartcity.com) |
| 23:44.43 | dardack | can you set a fontstring to a certain length and if the text goes over that length it will just get cut off? |
| 23:45.57 | Legorol | dardack: i believe fontstrings have a togglable option that forces them to put ellipses at the end of the text if it's too long |
| 23:46.17 | dardack | it's auto just tested |
| 23:46.25 | dardack | didn't think to use <size> doh |
| 23:49.13 | Wobin | alas |
| 23:49.19 | Wobin | Invisibility requires mana |
| 23:49.23 | End | a lass |
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| 23:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | CHUPATHINGIE! |
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