| 00:00.31 | zenzelezz | well, the default UI has a setting for "Show the portaits of the pets belonging to the enemy arena team", so I assume those work |
| 00:01.46 | foxlit | You should never find yourself wanting to target the vehicle of an arena opponent |
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| 00:03.20 | AnduinLothar | true |
| 00:03.44 | foxlit | until MOUNTED ARENA COMBAT is introduced |
| 00:03.46 | foxlit | teehee |
| 00:06.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that would be badass |
| 00:07.02 | foxlit | If the argent tournament is anything to judge by, it'd be massive fail |
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| 00:07.54 | foxlit | (They really need to do something about those abilities -- the only challenge is noticing the mistake the AI is constantly forced to make to let you win) |
| 00:11.01 | foxlit | There needs to be some incentive to actually get out of melee range |
| 00:11.12 | cbreak | there is one |
| 00:11.18 | cbreak | you win faster if you do it right |
| 00:11.28 | foxlit | Yeah, but that doesn't scale to PvP |
| 00:11.58 | cbreak | pvp! kill it with fire! |
| 00:12.31 | foxlit | Some sort of melee ability that'd be relatively devastating but avoidable by moving out could work |
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| 00:13.00 | cbreak | a melee attack with cast time |
| 00:13.10 | foxlit | Something along those lines. |
| 00:13.25 | cbreak | (all melee attacks are already devastating) |
| 00:13.41 | foxlit | for those horses? They're petty |
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| 00:37.48 | dardack_ | anyone have issues with kael (last boss in H MGT) despawning after phase 2, randomly? |
| 00:37.54 | dardack_ | while solo'ing |
| 00:38.23 | Primer | nope |
| 00:38.47 | dardack_ | sigh |
| 00:38.57 | dardack_ | i keep doing it and he keeps despawning |
| 00:39.02 | dardack_ | then respanws few seconds later |
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| 00:42.20 | foxlit | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson94.html |
| 00:42.22 | foxlit | Those are fun. |
| 00:43.08 | Shadowed | foxlit your code doesn't account for UnitHasVehicleUI by the way, since you can be in a vehicle but be attackable directly |
| 00:43.14 | Shadowed | at least from the last pastey I saw |
| 00:43.37 | foxlit | Got any examples? |
| 00:43.42 | Shadowed | working on it right now |
| 00:43.55 | Shadowed | UnitHasVehicleUI is a little bit picky on when it's giving me good data |
| 00:44.23 | foxlit | I'm not sure I'm supposed to care |
| 00:44.47 | foxlit | [target=player,help][target=player,harm] will make sure player is shown whenever they're targettable |
| 00:45.00 | foxlit | if they're not, I might as well show the pet, if it exists. |
| 00:45.08 | Kaso | When did wow get tab-complete? |
| 00:45.10 | Kaso | because thats awesome |
| 00:45.23 | Primer | when you installed an addon? |
| 00:45.28 | Kaso | oh is it an addon? |
| 00:45.29 | Kaso | fail |
| 00:45.38 | foxlit | Depends. What did you tab complete? |
| 00:45.38 | Kaso | i just presumed it was default for some reason. I guess its pratt doing that |
| 00:45.45 | Kaso | slash commands and stuff |
| 00:45.52 | Primer | Prat would have been my guess |
| 00:46.00 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.07 | Shadowed | ah aha |
| 00:46.09 | foxlit | That's default |
| 00:46.12 | Kaso | sweet |
| 00:46.13 | Shadowed | so thats what the help/harm clause in it does |
| 00:46.15 | Kaso | thats cool |
| 00:46.19 | Primer | try /w F<tab> |
| 00:46.21 | foxlit | It cycles through |
| 00:46.29 | Primer | shows people in guild |
| 00:46.49 | foxlit | (not default) |
| 00:54.19 | Shirik | man |
| 00:54.28 | Shirik | I really need to find sheet music for halo |
| 00:54.31 | Shirik | it has some awesome cello songs in it |
| 00:54.41 | Shirik | cello parts* |
| 00:55.31 | *** topic/#wowuidev by widgertick -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon ticket contests: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23763 & http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ | Minion: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24025 | "man, really need to find sheet music for Halo, it has some awesome cello songs in it" -- Shirik |
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| 00:55.57 | widgertick | I liked the cello song at the end :) |
| 01:00.03 | mikma | shirik: wtb halo1 soundtrack |
| 01:00.14 | mikma | lets see what tbp says |
| 01:02.03 | mikma | shirik: http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4882612/Halo_1_2_3_soundtrack.4882612.TPB.torrent |
| 01:05.06 | Shirik | bad mikma |
| 01:05.17 | mikma | whaaat |
| 01:05.41 | mikma | downloading .torrent is not illegal lalala |
| 01:08.06 | Kalroth | Internet backups are a service, not something bad! |
| 01:08.34 | Shirik | so that's how TPB is getting away with it? |
| 01:08.38 | Shirik | torrents are legal? |
| 01:09.19 | Kalroth | Is a hashvalue and a URL illegal? |
| 01:09.27 | mikma | the .torrent files are not illegal in sweden |
| 01:09.54 | mikma | hosting the data is, but having the .torrent file ain't, and thats where tbp steps in |
| 01:10.27 | Shirik | why do you keep saying tbp |
| 01:10.39 | nicoli_s | the pirate bay |
| 01:10.40 | mikma | whoops |
| 01:10.41 | Kalroth | the bay pirate! |
| 01:11.00 | mikma | watching tv and mispelling with small keyb = priceless |
| 01:11.11 | Shirik | mispelling multiple times |
| 01:11.28 | Kalroth | TPB isn't more illegal than http://www.google.com/search?q=halo+1+2+3+soundtrack+filetype:torrent |
| 01:12.14 | Corrodias | google is pirates! |
| 01:12.35 | mikma | shirik: exactly, multiple times cause i don't look what i write, just the keys |
| 01:12.40 | Shirik | isn't that the same argument napster used? |
| 01:12.40 | Shirik | (The original) |
| 01:12.55 | Kalroth | napster was located in the states though |
| 01:14.03 | foxlit | TPB runs a tracker |
| 01:14.19 | Kalroth | they run several, sure |
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| 01:15.02 | Kalroth | but the tracker isn't any different from a torrent - there's still no illegal data in either, it's only the middleman |
| 01:15.14 | mikma | 75% of .torrent are being forwarded to tpb (see, shirik!) |
| 01:16.00 | Kalroth | now if you want to argue intent then TPB got no case :p |
| 01:16.59 | mikma | http://thepiratebay.org/legal |
| 01:17.37 | foxlit | I get a nice "You're blocked by a court order from accessing that site" notice |
| 01:17.46 | Kalroth | use OpenDNS |
| 01:17.57 | foxlit | I could. But that has issues. |
| 01:18.02 | Kalroth | Like? |
| 01:18.18 | aesir | What country foxlit? I don't get that block msg. |
| 01:18.22 | Kalroth | Denmark |
| 01:18.32 | foxlit | Like arbitrary causing some part of the router -> adsl modem -> ISP connection to fail horribly. |
| 01:18.51 | Kalroth | foxlit: what? it's just a different name server |
| 01:18.58 | foxlit | Meh, anecdotal. |
| 01:19.14 | foxlit | I should probably try using it client-side rather than router-side |
| 01:19.25 | mikma | Just some stats... ... here are some reasons why TPB is down sometimes - and how long it usually takes to fix: Tiamo gets *very* drunk and then something crashes: 4 days |
| 01:19.28 | mikma | Anakata gets a really bad cold and noone is around: 7 days |
| 01:19.30 | mikma | The US and Swedish gov. forces the police to steal our servers: 3 days |
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| 01:20.18 | AbsolutRayne | Evening |
| 01:20.23 | foxlit | But the point is, had all sorts of weird connection state issues since switching router to OpenDNS; they went away upon going back to ISP DNS servers. |
| 01:21.19 | foxlit | It could, quite possibly, be a well-timed coincidence. |
| 01:21.35 | Kalroth | I've never tried it on the router, only in Windows - but I've been using OpenDNS for the last year with zero issues, both at home and at work |
| 01:22.23 | foxlit | If I were an evil ISP, I could just monitor that clients make at least some requests to my DNS server. |
| 01:22.24 | Hjalte | I can visit the Pirate Bay with OpenDNS :) |
| 01:22.35 | Hjalte | Stupid danish ISP locks me out. |
| 01:25.20 | Shirik | foxlit: I don't think that's logical |
| 01:25.24 | Shirik | there are a lot of uses of just straight IPs these days |
| 01:28.38 | Arrowmaster | just ip doesnt work with http 1.1 though |
| 01:28.43 | Arrowmaster | well doesnt work well |
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| 01:32.20 | Arrowmaster | and ive been using opendns on my router for years without issues |
| 01:34.19 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Sure |
| 01:34.34 | Shirik | but your ISP blocking requests if you don't use the DNS server doesn't seem like it would work well |
| 01:34.44 | Shirik | not to mention I don't think even Brighthouse is THAT evil |
| 01:35.17 | Arrowmaster | they would have to block all outgoing traffic to port 53 except to their own dns servers and that would be extremely evil |
| 01:36.25 | Arrowmaster | although my router has an option to intercept all outgoing traffic to port 53 and redirect it to its own dns server |
| 01:37.07 | Arrowmaster | its evil when you dont have control over it |
| 01:37.27 | Shirik | rofl |
| 01:37.31 | Shirik | that's pretty evil |
| 01:37.39 | Shirik | even if it says go to another ip, if it's port 53, it goes to me! |
| 01:37.45 | Shirik | don't even tell anyone |
| 01:38.25 | Shirik | I wonder how that handles internal port 53 traffic |
| 01:38.28 | Arrowmaster | its a good way to secure a network if you are blocking websites |
| 01:39.32 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 01:39.36 | Shirik | it's still possible to get through |
| 01:40.06 | Arrowmaster | do you know of lexus nexus? |
| 01:40.10 | Shirik | if you want to block a website you really just have to intercept any traffic to those IPs |
| 01:40.18 | Shirik | though I guess that won't work through tor or something |
| 01:40.26 | Shirik | no |
| 01:41.56 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LexisNexis |
| 01:42.30 | Shirik | you killin my computer here |
| 01:42.46 | Shirik | oh yes I have seen this before |
| 01:42.48 | Shirik | my school used it |
| 01:43.23 | Arrowmaster | sometime the other year they blocked all outgoing ssl connections because a 3rd party contractor showed them it was possible to bypass their web traffic analizer that detects if people are trying to send out confedential documents by using a simple ssl vpn |
| 01:43.51 | Arrowmaster | it lasted about 3 days until some of the VPs started complaining they couldnt login to their bank/stock websites |
| 01:43.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:44.03 | Shirik | morons |
| 01:45.30 | Arrowmaster | the contractors prize for that was a scrubed (no ip addresses or computer names) version of the network topology diagram |
| 01:45.36 | mikma | mormons! |
| 01:46.56 | Arrowmaster | theyve got a nice network design there, two redundent networks with everything connected to both |
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| 01:47.18 | Shirik | our IT was freaking out friday |
| 01:47.18 | Shirik | our server kept becoming slow and unresponsive |
| 01:47.21 | Shirik | and nobody could figure out why |
| 01:47.53 | Shirik | they didn't think about the email they sent all the software developers in the morning |
| 01:48.25 | Shirik | to download VS 2008 team suite (which was on our dev server) because we were switching over |
| 01:48.40 | Shirik | which was about 20 GB per developer |
| 01:48.45 | Codayus | Ha. |
| 01:48.56 | mikma | uhhhh |
| 01:48.56 | cbreak | multicast ftw |
| 01:49.15 | mikma | internet is like series of pipes |
| 01:49.21 | Shirik | tubes |
| 01:49.23 | Shirik | they're tubes |
| 01:49.49 | mikma | i can pipe your tubes, np |
| 01:50.18 | Shirik | mikma > /dev/null |
| 01:50.40 | mikma | i love shirik |
| 01:50.46 | mikma | nullified |
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| 01:58.31 | jmlane | Hello. |
| 01:58.50 | mikma | hi, cosmos discontinuecd! |
| 01:59.51 | jmlane | What's this cosmos discontinuecd business? |
| 02:01.03 | Shirik | rofl |
| 02:01.05 | Shirik | mikma |
| 02:01.09 | mikma | shirik: |
| 02:01.38 | Cairenn | JohnBoy |
| 02:01.59 | Cairenn | SueEllen |
| 02:02.11 | Shirik | o.o |
| 02:02.22 | jmlane | My feelings exactly. |
| 02:12.57 | jmlane | Any good newbie tutorials on XML frames in WoW? I've been reading the articles at WoWWiki, but there are mainly snippets, few complete examples of XML files. |
| 02:13.41 | Shirik | my tutorial: Don't use XML |
| 02:15.27 | mikma | i agree on that tutorial. |
| 02:16.21 | Ackis | Cairenn: I'm a daddy again! |
| 02:16.52 | Ackis | it's 9 weeks old, black, goes prrrrrrr |
| 02:17.39 | Shirik | shoulda gotten a dog |
| 02:17.45 | Cairenn | Ackis: :) |
| 02:18.04 | Ackis | we have one dog already, too much work :P |
| 02:18.43 | Shirik | cats are too boring |
| 02:20.14 | Zyndrome | cats = open door, close door ... dogs = take for a shitty walk every now and then |
| 02:20.16 | Zyndrome | D: |
| 02:21.12 | Shirik | my dogs have no problem going outside by themselves |
| 02:22.26 | Adys | uh |
| 02:22.44 | Adys | why are GOLD, SILVER and COPPER defined in globalstrings, but nil ingame? |
| 02:23.05 | Shirik | didn't they get rid of those a long time ago? |
| 02:23.13 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain they were changed to GOLD_SOMETHING |
| 02:23.40 | Adys | GOLD_AMOUNT ? |
| 02:23.49 | Adys | thought that was something else =/ |
| 02:24.01 | Adys | looking at an old google cache then |
| 02:24.27 | Shirik | I just remember this from an Auctioneer bug |
| 02:25.19 | Shirik | "SSL Peer Shut Down Incorrectly" |
| 02:25.23 | Shirik | there's a fun error |
| 02:25.37 | Shirik | "Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream" all kinds of fun errors |
| 02:25.39 | Shirik | whee |
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| 02:28.06 | Adys | [19:20:32] <@Shirik> my dogs have no problem going outside by themselves |
| 02:28.13 | Adys | my cat has no problem opening doors by himself |
| 02:28.24 | Shirik | actually, one of my dogs can too |
| 02:28.27 | Shirik | it's kinda scary |
| 02:28.36 | Shirik | when we went to pick him up from the kennel last time |
| 02:28.38 | Adys | a friend's cat could open the fridge |
| 02:28.40 | Shirik | we were told he got out twice |
| 02:28.40 | Adys | fun times. |
| 02:28.58 | Shirik | and when he saw us in the window |
| 02:28.58 | Shirik | he showed us how |
| 02:28.58 | Shirik | and came to greet us in person |
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| 02:39.49 | Wobin | Is there much gearing difference between a Resto and an Elemental shammy? |
| 02:40.27 | Wobin | Shirik: He keeps his lockpicks in a specially designed pouch in his collar =) |
| 02:42.11 | Corrodias | i'd assume one focuses more for +healing... |
| 02:42.46 | Wobin | Isn't that flat spellpower now? |
| 02:42.47 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, +heal doesn't exist anymore :P |
| 02:42.55 | Corrodias | oh |
| 02:43.09 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, with most classes, the difference between heal and dps tends to be that heal doesn't bother with +hit, and cares more about spirit and mp5 |
| 02:43.18 | Wobin | Ah, true that |
| 02:43.19 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know about shamans specifically though |
| 02:43.36 | Wobin | Although in this case, for levelling, +hit isn't going to be an issue until late 70s |
| 02:44.10 | Wobin | And I'd rather gear to be a good healer, and mediocre dps than the other way around =) |
| 02:44.41 | Wobin | Granted, I'm not sure of the viability of shammy healing in raids now, but, well, we'll see =) |
| 02:45.12 | mikma | shirik: i just got pee'd on by a dog! beat that |
| 02:46.13 | Adys | is select() a core lua function, or specific to wow? |
| 02:46.36 | End | core lua |
| 02:46.38 | End | in 5.1 |
| 02:46.54 | NightHawkTheSan1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.55 | Cairenn | YES! 1 down, 3 to go! |
| 02:47.00 | End | Cairenn: !? |
| 02:47.13 | Wobin | tickets? |
| 02:47.17 | Cairenn | Stanley Cup playoffs, my team just won game 1 |
| 02:48.36 | Adys | cheers end |
| 02:51.07 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 02:51.12 | Adys | anyone with tailoring around? |
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| 02:57.02 | Shirik | Cairenn is an addict to hockey |
| 02:57.14 | Cairenn | I'm Canadian, aren't I? sheesh |
| 02:58.42 | Cairenn | I mean, that's like saying the Irish like football (soccer) |
| 02:58.50 | mikma | canadian... couple of words: day after tomorrow. evacuate below this line. |
| 02:59.19 | Cairenn | funny you say that, mikma - that's on the other channel, that I've was flipping back and forth between |
| 02:59.40 | mikma | oh, hehe |
| 02:59.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:00.05 | mikma | i got that on dvd, good movie but ends like.. you've runned into a wall |
| 03:02.16 | mikma | cairenn: anyway, europe gets it too in that movie xD |
| 03:02.25 | Cairenn | yep |
| 03:05.16 | dardack_ | woot hawkstrider |
| 03:05.27 | dardack_ | after 20 attempts of him disappearing i figured out what trigered the bug |
| 03:05.43 | dardack_ | and now my one guildmate hates me cause he has been runing everyday for 5 months now |
| 03:07.08 | Shirik | evacuate? |
| 03:07.46 | Sargeras | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQb4sOqUVo o_0 |
| 03:08.06 | Wobin | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson13.html |
| 03:08.35 | Wobin | dardack: what's that? |
| 03:09.21 | mikma | shirik: yes, go and watch the movie =) |
| 03:10.43 | Cairenn | it's a 'fun' natural-disaster-end-of-the-world flick |
| 03:11.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Wobin: isn't that site great? :P |
| 03:11.26 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSan1: I'm really liking it =) |
| 03:11.46 | Adys | wtf |
| 03:11.53 | Adys | you're canadian Cairenn? |
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| 03:12.59 | Adys | no one laughs, jerks =( |
| 03:13.12 | Cairenn | Adys: welcome to years ago, dear :) |
| 03:13.12 | NightHawkTheSan1 | dude, being canadian isn't funny. you jerk. :P |
| 03:13.24 | mikma | <0611> ::: Adys [n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has left #wowuidev ("mIRC is a plague. Don't use it") |
| 03:13.32 | mikma | that kinsa eliminates the funny |
| 03:13.43 | Adys | its my default part |
| 03:13.46 | Adys | also I didnt know cair |
| 03:13.51 | Cairenn | Adys: :) |
| 03:13.51 | mikma | you should have used a cool reason |
| 03:13.59 | mikma | like "omg i am anti-canadian!" |
| 03:14.01 | Cairenn | Adys: you are correct, I am Canadian :) |
| 03:14.01 | Adys | now I cant help but imagining you with a very thick accent |
| 03:14.09 | Cairenn | why? |
| 03:14.28 | Adys | because every single canadian friend I have has an extremely thick accent |
| 03:14.41 | Cairenn | are they all from Newfoundland or something? |
| 03:14.43 | Adys | shirik you could just ask |
| 03:14.50 | Adys | quebec, most of them anyway |
| 03:14.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | because obviously all canadians talk like they're the stars of 'strange brew' |
| 03:14.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ya hoser. |
| 03:15.11 | Cairenn | Adys: that's a French Canadian accent then, not a "Canadian" accent :p |
| 03:15.31 | Shirik | Adys: I did |
| 03:15.40 | Adys | blame them! because of that you have a FRENCH canadian accent in my mind |
| 03:15.43 | Shirik | I just assumed your computer would give me a faster response than you |
| 03:16.00 | Adys | i thought i disabled ctcps |
| 03:16.05 | Shirik | apparently not |
| 03:16.07 | Cairenn | Adys: I don't, I'm not French Canadian |
| 03:16.19 | Shirik | she wishes she was |
| 03:16.20 | Adys | yes but I cant help it. |
| 03:16.32 | Cairenn | No I don't, Shirik |
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| 03:19.05 | dardack_ | wobin: what's what? how to not triger the bug? |
| 03:19.16 | Wobin | which bug? |
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| 03:20.55 | dardack_ | well for me i was doing the last boss on MgT and he would disappear during phase 2 |
| 03:21.07 | dardack_ | tried him 20 times before i figured out how to not let him disappear |
| 03:21.14 | Adys | so uh |
| 03:21.21 | Adys | is there a way to know if a faction is valid? |
| 03:21.23 | Adys | or exists |
| 03:21.55 | NightHawkTheSan1 | not really |
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| 03:29.06 | Thunder_Child | !api Faction |
| 03:29.07 | lua_bot | Found 20 possible matches for 'Faction'. Please be more specific |
| 03:29.11 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 03:29.30 | Thunder_Child | if i knew what i was looking for i wouldnt have to ask |
| 03:31.20 | Shirik | what are you looking for? |
| 03:34.02 | Thunder_Child | Adys: is there a way to know if a faction is valid? |
| 03:34.02 | Thunder_Child | 20:21.38 Adys: or exists |
| 03:34.25 | Thunder_Child | i was just looking at options |
| 03:34.29 | Shirik | what do you mean valid? |
| 03:34.31 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:34.33 | Shirik | you mean rep people |
| 03:34.36 | Adys | ya |
| 03:34.36 | Thunder_Child | the least it could do is /w it to me |
| 03:34.43 | Shirik | I always think faction is "horde" or "alliance" |
| 03:34.44 | Thunder_Child | if it would otherwise spam |
| 03:35.06 | Shirik | I would prefer a link that goes to wowprogramming.com, filtered on that term |
| 03:35.18 | Thunder_Child | that opens up a browser |
| 03:35.21 | PProvost | Did OmniCC and/or Dominos stop showing the Global Cooldown recently? |
| 03:35.22 | PProvost | I just noticed it isn't there any more |
| 03:37.31 | dardack_ | PProvost: mine is working fine |
| 03:37.33 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no... |
| 03:37.41 | dardack_ | using omnicc and dominos |
| 03:37.49 | PProvost | Damn |
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| 03:38.27 | PProvost | Maybe Inline Auras messed it up |
| 03:38.30 | PProvost | Will try disabling |
| 03:41.29 | PProvost | Nope. Not that. |
| 03:41.31 | PProvost | Grr |
| 03:50.37 | End | fuck this salad dressing-less salad |
| 03:50.46 | End | imo |
| 03:55.47 | Primer | emo? |
| 03:56.08 | Adys | what event is fired when you get "You are now Neutral with ...." |
| 03:56.17 | Wobin | NAKED SALAD |
| 03:56.34 | Adys | ok than--- wait a sec |
| 03:56.40 | Primer | then |
| 03:56.58 | Adys | it's supposed to be a "thanks" |
| 03:57.14 | Adys | before being a spelling nazi try understanding what's being written |
| 03:58.00 | Adys | (additionally you'll find very little amount of developers who can't spell "then") |
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| 04:08.53 | Adys | UPDATE_FACTION did it |
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| 04:46.23 | Kraps | where can i find info on gearing/gemming/glyping for arms pvp thats not EJ? |
| 04:48.25 | Thunder_Child | with what kind of info? |
| 04:48.49 | Thunder_Child | advice or theorycrafting? |
| 04:48.56 | Kraps | advice |
| 04:49.18 | Thunder_Child | wow forums? |
| 04:51.02 | Kraps | is not updated for 3.1 |
| 04:51.33 | Thunder_Child | for what class? |
| 04:51.46 | Kraps | warrior |
| 04:52.27 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, http://www.tankspot.com/forums/ ? |
| 04:53.53 | Shirik | internet explorer is awesome |
| 04:54.28 | Shirik | "This website wants to run the following add-on: 'Not Available' from 'Control name is not available' |
| 05:08.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson192.html |
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| 05:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Shirik |
| 05:10.56 | purl | chops Shirik in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 05:12.06 | Shirik | you know |
| 05:12.10 | Shirik | it just occurred to me |
| 05:12.22 | Shirik | if we were willing to give up "0" and errors as numbers |
| 05:12.35 | Shirik | we could fit twice as many numbers in an IEEE double |
| 05:12.38 | Shirik | (or float) |
| 05:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | time to harass you in a PM, I do believe |
| 05:13.01 | Shirik | we spent so much time packing it efficiently, and then we just gave up at the last second |
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| 05:40.22 | Spellbinder | http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=91938 |
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| 05:53.41 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694 |
| 05:53.44 | Adys | sigh |
| 05:54.11 | Adys | "hello there is a problem with wine and it doesnt happen on windows" |
| 05:54.25 | Cairenn | L |
| 05:54.43 | Kraps | Adys: what? how? |
| 05:54.52 | Kraps | cant be! |
| 05:55.20 | Adys | please no mention. |
| 05:55.55 | Kraps | wtb permanent eots weekends |
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| 06:05.52 | DWSR | hey, is there any way that I can get Bartender to page to the Pet Bar? |
| 06:05.57 | DWSR | Say, if I hit Ctrl? |
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| 06:21.03 | Kraps | uhhh i die so fast |
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| 06:25.19 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:25.26 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras :) |
| 06:25.41 | Sargeras | I got my tickets today |
| 06:25.51 | Cairenn | yeah, I heard :) |
| 06:25.52 | Sargeras | and I also bought 2 for Jim and Leah |
| 06:30.20 | Sargeras | all is well |
| 06:30.21 | Sargeras | Amen |
| 06:31.33 | Cairenn | ehehe |
| 06:32.19 | Kraps | so what was the point of reducing the charge CD by 1.1 sec? |
| 06:32.34 | Kraps | thats the new glyph |
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| 07:03.38 | Thunder_Child | you gain arena points based off of what? |
| 07:03.54 | Kraps | nice, with the new bg queue interface you never get anything done :D |
| 07:11.19 | Adys | Ackis: ping |
| 07:19.37 | Ycarene | Meh, I need to stop taking so much time off from work. |
| 07:26.24 | Fisker- | rages |
| 07:26.32 | airtonix | lol |
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| 07:41.00 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, ping |
| 07:57.35 | netcurse2 | He's sleeping |
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| 08:00.57 | Thunder_Child | who is sleeping? |
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| 08:02.17 | netcurse2 | Zorba :) |
| 08:02.43 | DWSR | anyone know if it's possible to get Bartender to page to the pet bar when I hit Ctrl, similar to how I can page to other action bars with Shift or Alt? |
| 08:03.46 | Thunder_Child | netcurse2, then he has been doing it all day |
| 08:05.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://rampancy.net/sheetmusic/halo |
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| 08:23.53 | Adys | anyone on windows atm? |
| 08:24.02 | Corrodias | me |
| 08:24.08 | Adys | http://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/help/amd.html/ref=sv_dm_hp_nav_lk_3/105-0734716-7105234 |
| 08:24.13 | Adys | can you paste me the link to the installer? |
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| 08:25.20 | Corrodias | http://amazonm-002.vo.llnwd.net/u/d1/clients/AmazonMP3Installer_1.0.3.exe?httpHeader%5FContent-Disposition=attachment%3B%20filename%3DAmazonMP3Installer.exe&marketplace=1 |
| 08:25.21 | Corrodias | try that |
| 08:25.27 | Adys | tyv |
| 08:25.28 | Adys | m |
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| 08:37.08 | Adys | Corrodias: wanna be even more useful? |
| 08:37.16 | Corrodias | perahps |
| 08:37.22 | Corrodias | can i spell? no |
| 08:37.27 | Adys | if you could |
| 08:37.46 | Adys | install it, run it and screenshot me the default window |
| 08:37.53 | Adys | and upload that somewhere |
| 08:38.00 | Adys | I'll make hot sexy love to you later this week |
| 08:38.13 | Corrodias | lucky for you, i happen to have a virtual machine running on another computer |
| 08:38.40 | Thunder_Child | unlucky for you, Corrodias will take you up on that offer |
| 08:39.47 | Corrodias | default window... the first window you get after you run the program? |
| 08:41.37 | Adys | yes Corrodias |
| 08:41.55 | Adys | the one with "Pause downloads", "Resume ..." etc at the top |
| 08:43.30 | Corrodias | http://corrodias.no-ip.org/amazon_mp3_downloader.png |
| 08:44.10 | Corrodias | sorry it's not cropped or whatever. i just went the easiest route. |
| 08:44.35 | Adys | cheers |
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| 08:49.04 | Fisker- | offers Thunder_Child a cup of punch |
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| 08:51.10 | Mats | Good morning ;p |
| 08:51.19 | Fisker- | nope |
| 08:51.37 | Matsy | Or.. night. |
| 08:51.40 | Fisker- | nope |
| 08:52.00 | Matsy | :< |
| 08:52.16 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 08:52.27 | Matsy | What |
| 08:52.29 | Thunder_Child | ~ugt |
| 08:52.30 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 08:52.31 | Matsy | You live in the same timezone as me |
| 08:52.34 | Matsy | How is it not morning ;p |
| 08:52.52 | Matsy | LOL |
| 08:52.54 | Matsy | Then how was I wrong! |
| 08:52.58 | Thunder_Child | you werent |
| 08:53.09 | Thunder_Child | except that you listened to Fisker-, THAT was your mistake |
| 08:53.20 | Matsy | :( |
| 08:53.33 | Thunder_Child | though that was a nice cup of punch that Fisker- gave me |
| 08:53.39 | Thunder_Child | ~Fisker--- |
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| 09:09.55 | Fisker- | ~uft |
| 09:09.56 | purl | Universal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time. |
| 09:10.30 | Fisker- | and it was before noon, not morning |
| 09:12.07 | nevcairiel | before noon is morning |
| 09:12.11 | Fisker- | naw |
| 09:12.25 | Fisker- | we have morning, before noon, noon, afternoon, evening, night |
| 09:12.26 | Fisker- | iirc |
| 09:14.14 | nevcairiel | we have an expression for that, but i don't know of a english expression for "before noon", when i tell google to translate it from de to en, it says "morning" :P |
| 09:14.20 | nevcairiel | ~x de en vormittag |
| 09:14.57 | Fisker- | weird |
| 09:15.48 | Ackis | Adys: pong |
| 09:15.56 | Fisker- | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:18.18 | Matsy | Well |
| 09:18.29 | Matsy | "before noon" isn't really morning |
| 09:18.35 | Matsy | Because noon originally is 3PM. |
| 09:18.44 | Fisker- | lolwut? |
| 09:18.55 | Matsy | Since it's derived from 'nona hora', which means the ninth hour in Latin. |
| 09:19.07 | nevcairiel | originally we lived in caves and skinned animals for a living |
| 09:19.18 | Matsy | Seeing that the sunrise starts at 6AM, 3PM would be the noon time ;p |
| 09:19.20 | nevcairiel | things change =P |
| 09:19.27 | Matsy | True. |
| 09:19.40 | Matsy | But, that's why there's not really a "before noon" anymore. |
| 09:19.53 | nevcairiel | we still have it and use it |
| 09:20.02 | nevcairiel | i just don't thing the english people have any expression for it |
| 09:20.10 | Matsy | That's what I mean. |
| 09:20.19 | Matsy | Other languages still have a word for it |
| 09:20.48 | Matsy | We have a word for it too: voormiddag |
| 09:21.08 | nevcairiel | that sounds like dutch |
| 09:21.15 | Matsy | Yesh. |
| 09:21.29 | Matsy | It's not too different from the German word ;p |
| 09:21.34 | nevcairiel | similar to the german "vormittag", just weirder |
| 09:21.40 | Matsy | Haha |
| 09:21.50 | Matsy | forenoon |
| 09:21.51 | Matsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.20 | Matsy | But, I haven't ever seen the word in a sentence. :( |
| 09:56.19 | Matsy | .. nice |
| 09:56.25 | Matsy | I fell through WoW |
| 09:56.37 | Matsy | Yay repairs. |
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| 10:07.32 | Corrodias | huh? fell through a game? what do you mean? |
| 10:09.06 | sp0ckk | he probably fell through the world |
| 10:09.33 | sp0ckk | i do it in real life all the time. |
| 10:09.37 | sp0ckk | really hurts. |
| 10:09.47 | Matsy | Yeah ;p |
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| 10:18.22 | Fisker- | hey nevcairiel |
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| 10:39.57 | airtonix | before noon = beer'o'clock |
| 10:40.05 | airtonix | noon = beer'o'clock |
| 10:40.14 | airtonix | etc etc etc |
| 10:52.16 | Industrial | Anyone here play StarCraft 1? |
| 11:00.19 | haste | Industrial: if you give me sec I can go buy it :p |
| 11:04.42 | haste | Industrial: downloding now |
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| 11:21.18 | zenzelezz | for some reason I get a bit freaked out whenevre the WArsong Battleguard cheers at me when I'm waiting for the zeppelin |
| 11:22.19 | haste | that's what you get for being exalted :D |
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| 12:09.36 | dardack_ | airtonix: hey man in response to your question like 3 days ago, yes i still use ventriloctrl, the new one written tho,, .5 orsomething |
| 12:28.20 | foxlit | grumble, I need an and operator in conditionals |
| 12:28.32 | foxlit | Something along the lines of [target=party1,exists AND target=party2,exists] |
| 12:33.36 | cbreak | for? |
| 12:33.46 | cbreak | you can't cast spells on two targets |
| 12:34.05 | foxlit | Let's just say I care about two targets. |
| 12:34.11 | cbreak | you can only have one |
| 12:34.35 | cbreak | you can use focus though |
| 12:34.37 | foxlit | Or, well, two units. |
| 12:35.01 | foxlit | Regardless. It's actually possible to implement the and operator within the restricted environment, but I would've hoped I don't need to do that. |
| 12:35.52 | foxlit | (The actual use is a state driver -- so I'm not casting anything. It's just that the state I'm defining is conditional on things concerning two units rather than one) |
| 12:36.12 | cbreak | *shiver* |
| 12:36.29 | cbreak | It was good to stay away from that paranoia stuff :) |
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| 13:01.01 | dardack_ | can anyone tell me why http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115152 doesn't work in dalaran saying i can't use that here |
| 13:01.42 | Matsy | I dont know, but does the ; work like that? |
| 13:02.26 | cbreak | it doesn't work because dalaran is "flyable" |
| 13:02.31 | cbreak | but you can't use flying mounts |
| 13:03.13 | cbreak | I use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11323-GhostMount.html for mounting. works almost perfectly |
| 13:09.59 | VonhintenHOME` | There a map of subzones in northrend anywhere? Each one is like 2200 XP :P |
| 13:11.02 | foxlit | "almost"? :) |
| 13:12.42 | Cide | wow, exploring a whole subzone is equal to like 4 mobs of xp? |
| 13:15.31 | dardack_ | wait dalaran is flyable but not? |
| 13:16.20 | dardack_ | cause that macro doesn't work in wg either, sorry was in a wg so didn't get the comments till jsut now |
| 13:17.02 | foxlit | [flyable] is more of a continent-wide thing. |
| 13:17.32 | dardack_ | oh |
| 13:17.33 | cbreak | flyable means not "can I fly" |
| 13:17.35 | dardack_ | sucky |
| 13:17.43 | cbreak | it means you are in outland or northrend |
| 13:17.58 | cbreak | (and outdoors) |
| 13:18.05 | cbreak | it implies outdoors as far as I know |
| 13:18.16 | foxlit | There's one cave in Utgarde that doesn't obey that |
| 13:18.26 | foxlit | It's flyable, but not outdoors, and therefore not actually flyable. |
| 13:18.39 | cbreak | interesting |
| 13:18.51 | cbreak | well, it doesn't work anyway |
| 13:18.58 | dardack_ | that sux that it's cotinent and not area specific |
| 13:18.59 | cbreak | so "flyable" is mostly useless |
| 13:19.12 | cbreak | ghost: mount handles dalaran mostly fine |
| 13:19.23 | foxlit | OPie handles Dalaran double-plus-good! |
| 13:19.27 | foxlit | snickers. |
| 13:19.32 | cbreak | it can't handle the special flight permission areas on the violet tower thing and the sewer exit, but the rest works |
| 13:20.01 | foxlit | Which means that it hardcoded Krasus' Landing |
| 13:20.07 | foxlit | meh. |
| 13:20.12 | cbreak | probably |
| 13:20.36 | cbreak | what else could it do? Check if it can summon a mount with wings and fall back to one without on failure? |
| 13:20.43 | cbreak | hmm... no, that's not permitted |
| 13:21.06 | foxlit | It could check that you're in the sewer pipe |
| 13:21.26 | cbreak | you can only fly at the end of it |
| 13:21.34 | foxlit | Actually, you can fly in all of it |
| 13:21.42 | cbreak | really? nice |
| 13:21.55 | foxlit | The real issue is that it doesn't have a unique name |
| 13:21.59 | cbreak | so a pipe is not indoors... |
| 13:22.00 | dardack_ | if i use CallCompanion everytime i get a new mount i would have to update the random # yes? |
| 13:22.09 | foxlit | apparently. |
| 13:22.10 | cbreak | probably because the pipe has no doors. |
| 13:22.16 | foxlit | My [flyable,outdoors] condition passes. |
| 13:22.28 | dardack_ | ie: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115154 |
| 13:26.38 | dardack_ | well seems to work, just guess i'll have to update the t variable everytime i get a new mount |
| 13:31.05 | cbreak | dardack_: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetNumCompanions |
| 13:31.50 | dardack_ | yea but i only want specific ones you know, like my hawkstrider choppa right now for land, bronze drake/argent hippograph |
| 13:32.00 | dardack_ | so as i get more mounts their # in he count will change |
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| 13:32.34 | cbreak | it only gives you the number you know |
| 13:33.35 | cbreak | the only problem is ground/air differentiation, and that will cause you headaces anyway |
| 13:34.28 | Coren{de} | if this is an addon and not just a macro, you can build the ts by name... that shouldn't change :) |
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| 13:40.15 | cbreak | names change every time you use an other language client |
| 13:40.47 | Kraps | you guys read about the paladin schmalidin fiasco? |
| 13:41.04 | cbreak | I have no idea what that is |
| 13:41.08 | Coren{de} | mkay, then go by SpellID :p I doubt many people change their client language a lot |
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| 13:41.22 | Kraps | a pally blog cbreak |
| 13:41.39 | cbreak | ah, right the wanabe holy knight class |
| 13:42.11 | Kraps | http://jagoex.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-happened-to-ferarro-and-paladin.html |
| 13:42.50 | Kraps | apparently it was run by 7 different people masquerading as 1 person |
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| 13:43.31 | Kraps | using someone elses picture |
| 13:44.19 | cbreak | interesting :) |
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| 13:49.41 | dardack_ | is there a way with CallCompanion("type", id) to figure out the id# from a name or spell id? |
| 13:49.47 | dardack_ | also is there a command to dismount? |
| 13:49.56 | dardack_ | cause DisMount gives me an error |
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| 13:50.14 | Roofel | isnt it Dismount ? |
| 13:50.18 | Roofel | without the "M" in the middle :P |
| 13:50.27 | foxlit | perhaps you want to Disenchant your Mount :) |
| 13:50.40 | Roofel | as WoW is freaking case sensitive ive noticed -.- |
| 13:50.45 | Kraps | what would it DE into? |
| 13:50.52 | Roofel | Epic greens |
| 13:51.09 | Kraps | lol |
| 13:51.19 | Roofel | :P |
| 13:51.26 | dardack_ | oh thanks |
| 13:51.54 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCompanionInfo has spellID to companionID |
| 13:52.06 | dardack_ | so i would have to build an actual addon |
| 13:52.10 | dardack_ | ok thanks |
| 13:53.33 | dardack_ | ok so i would have to build a list of my current moutns than match spell id's to the one i want |
| 13:53.37 | dardack_ | then call the function i had |
| 13:53.52 | dardack_ | preciate the help |
| 13:59.28 | Coren{de} | that Ferarro/Schmaladin thingy is cool :) I would call it the opposite of a fiasco, though... it openend the minds of some people a tiny bit more, and that's always good ~ |
| 14:00.07 | Coren{de} | (well, it's good in /my/ books) |
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| 14:03.24 | Kraps | Coren{de}: how do you mean? |
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| 14:04.40 | Coren{de} | many many many many (i.e. almost all) people *judge* the message by the messanger -- this thing is a blatant slap-in-the-face of look-at-the-message-not-the-messanger :) |
| 14:05.22 | Coren{de} | s/messanger/messenger/ |
| 14:06.14 | Coren{de} | I could almost worship those guys, besides hating paladins intensely :> |
| 14:07.42 | Wobin | hehe http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson191.html |
| 14:10.17 | Coren{de} | wtf, so anti-Wargames :( I <3 Wargames, the nomination categories might be off, but the movie is great la~ |
| 14:11.03 | cbreak | I liked wargames... |
| 14:11.17 | cbreak | it had a crazy computer. and nukes. |
| 14:11.27 | cbreak | ingredients to a great movie. |
| 14:13.24 | Coren{de} | well, I liiked other parts more... hacker, modem, neat backdoor, military-being-fooled, hot girl, endless loop, chess! what else could you want in a movie? ;) |
| 14:13.44 | cbreak | pizza. |
| 14:13.52 | cbreak | but I agree, you bring up good points. |
| 14:14.22 | Coren{de} | that's true, it lacked pizza, definitely... Sneakers had pizza as the very start :) |
| 14:15.46 | p3lim | anyone found the "perfect" uiscale to run 1680x1050 fullscreen on? |
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| 14:16.01 | p3lim | (without texture glitches and whatnot) |
| 14:16.49 | foxlit | 1? |
| 14:17.12 | p3lim | around 0.64 somewhere |
| 14:17.23 | p3lim | i just get issues with textures |
| 14:18.02 | foxlit | Meh, I run at close to 0.95 |
| 14:18.10 | foxlit | Why so tiny, p3lim? |
| 14:19.20 | Kraps | exalted champion of stormwind woot |
| 14:19.39 | nevcairiel | I'm on 0.76 and its glitch-free at 1650 |
| 14:19.49 | p3lim | long-sighted |
| 14:20.01 | p3lim | the smaller the better |
| 14:20.13 | nevcairiel | move far away |
| 14:20.15 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:20.32 | p3lim | hm 0.76 is too big |
| 14:20.58 | p3lim | would have to scale every element down to make it work |
| 14:21.06 | nevcairiel | just try 0.01 steps and see which is bugged =P |
| 14:21.29 | p3lim | been doing that from 0.64 to 0.69 now |
| 14:21.29 | Kraps | ah i can become a champion of any alliance city i want? |
| 14:21.40 | p3lim | Kraps: not if you are horde |
| 14:21.46 | nevcairiel | yeah Kraps, once youre done with your home city |
| 14:21.48 | Kraps | yeah |
| 14:21.59 | Coren{de} | wtf, stay out of my Darnassus la~;p |
| 14:22.23 | Kraps | does it replace or add to you other title? |
| 14:22.33 | nevcairiel | gets you new titles |
| 14:22.42 | foxlit | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson281.html |
| 14:23.13 | jnwhiteh | yawns |
| 14:23.28 | jnwhiteh | i hate being in this time zone |
| 14:23.32 | jnwhiteh | completely screws with my body |
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| 14:25.19 | cbreak | foxlit: that's easy. It's an ideal elastic colision of an object with infinite mass. |
| 14:25.32 | cbreak | the other object won't be stopped, it's direction of movement will just change |
| 14:25.32 | jnwhiteh | so any messages that have been sent to me since thursday GMT, i can't see anymore cause my client crashed.. so email me if you need anything |
| 14:30.22 | Cide | which is trivial |
| 14:30.49 | Cide | just mirror the direction |
| 14:30.50 | Coren{de} | not that easy, the unstoppable force is infinitely fast and the immovable object is at speed 0 |
| 14:31.00 | Cide | so what? |
| 14:31.17 | Cide | the unstoppable force will still just be mirrored, since *IT'S* mass is not infinite |
| 14:31.25 | Cide | s/'// |
| 14:31.42 | Cide | s/mirrored/reflected/ |
| 14:31.50 | foxlit | Meh, reflection = stopping-plus-plus. |
| 14:32.45 | Cide | hm? |
| 14:32.48 | Roofel | Anyone here know why the hell I constantly get this error? http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6733/wowscrnshot053109162920.jpg |
| 14:32.54 | Coren{de} | mkay, then I declare: the unstoppable force is infinite mass and infinite speed, the immovable object is infinite mass and speed = 0 |
| 14:33.08 | Cide | how is it at infinite speed if it has mass? |
| 14:33.29 | cbreak | how is it at infinite speed even if it has no mass? |
| 14:33.40 | Cide | maybe the unstoppable force is a photon? |
| 14:33.42 | Cide | well |
| 14:33.47 | Cide | assuming infinite speed = c |
| 14:33.48 | cbreak | photons have finite speed |
| 14:33.49 | p3lim | Roofel: something is wrong |
| 14:33.56 | Coren{de} | it just is :) Einstein was wrong in declaring light speed as the highest speed for an object :> |
| 14:34.06 | Roofel | kinda noticed that myself :P but anyone know what causes the error? ... |
| 14:34.19 | Cide | Roofel: you're either not passing in a third argument (or second since self is the first), or you're passing in nil |
| 14:34.20 | cbreak | it's an addon |
| 14:34.30 | Roofel | Hmm, gotta try finding it then |
| 14:35.05 | Coren{de} | no buggrabber installed, Roofel? |
| 14:35.14 | Cide | why grab bugs? |
| 14:35.17 | Cide | they're icky |
| 14:35.19 | Roofel | Well |
| 14:35.19 | Cide | just squash them |
| 14:35.40 | Roofel | dont have any no :P |
| 14:35.50 | Coren{de} | well, I'd rather like if the error dialog would use a smaller font and give a backtrace instead, but alas, that's Blizzard's choice |
| 14:35.57 | Roofel | Just that when I h ave stubby enabled, it shows errors there.. |
| 14:35.59 | Roofel | have* |
| 14:36.02 | Cide | way too scary for most users, Coren{de} |
| 14:36.14 | Roofel | but when i disable stubby, it shows em in the usual dialog box |
| 14:36.22 | Cide | "amagad wow is accessing stuff about my disk!" |
| 14:36.34 | Roofel | Anyone know a good bug-grabber? |
| 14:36.46 | zenzelezz | !Swatter is pretty nice |
| 14:36.50 | Roofel | OMGS! THE WARDEN IS SNIFFING UP INFO FROM MY PC! :P |
| 14:36.56 | Roofel | hmm, think I got that one |
| 14:36.59 | Coren{de} | Roofel, I use buggrabber, plus bugsack |
| 14:37.27 | zenzelezz | Roofel: I believe Swatter comes with most of the Auctioneer addons, might be available alone too |
| 14:37.36 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5995-BugSack.html |
| 14:37.37 | Roofel | Yes |
| 14:37.43 | Roofel | but it was set as disabled -.- |
| 14:37.53 | Roofel | enabled it now though |
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| 14:40.04 | Coren{de} | Some day I'll write an addon that overwrites the "Okay" in that error dialog... chosing randomly from a list like "Omg!"/"WTF!"/"Undo!"/"Huh?"/"Eh, so?"/"Why???" etc. :D |
| 14:40.45 | Roofel | :P |
| 14:41.03 | airtonix | i find that buggrabber&bugsack is far more useful than swatter |
| 14:41.09 | dardack_ | if a list is empty, ie blay = {} how do i check that it's empty, ==nil doesn't fire |
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| 14:41.43 | foxlit | next(t) == nil |
| 14:43.09 | Coren{de} | jeesh, I should have asked foxlit that a year ago :D I always did local e, k, v = true; for k,v in pairs(t) do e = false; break; end... |
| 14:43.20 | dardack_ | what's the command to find the # of a list? |
| 14:43.26 | Coren{de} | # |
| 14:43.38 | Coren{de} | only works on *strictly* numeric keys though |
| 14:43.39 | dardack_ | i mean how many exist? |
| 14:43.52 | dardack_ | list blah = {1,2} would return 2 |
| 14:44.06 | Coren{de} | non-numeric and/or non-consecutive keys = # fails |
| 14:44.32 | airtonix | lua> print({#1,2,3,4}) |
| 14:44.33 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: attempt to get length of a number value |
| 14:44.40 | airtonix | lua> print(#{1,2,3,4}) |
| 14:44.41 | lua_bot | airtonix: 4 |
| 14:44.48 | airtonix | lua> print(#{1,2,3,"harry",,4}) |
| 14:44.49 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ',' |
| 14:44.54 | airtonix | lua> print(#{1,2,3,"harry",4}) |
| 14:44.55 | lua_bot | airtonix: 5 |
| 14:44.56 | Coren{de} | lua> t = { [1] = 'foo', [2] = 'baz', [4] = 'oink }; print(#t) |
| 14:44.57 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 14:45.02 | airtonix | ^ |
| 14:45.04 | Coren{de} | lua> t = { [1] = 'foo', [2] = 'baz', [4] = 'oink' }; print(#t) |
| 14:45.07 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 4 |
| 14:45.09 | Wobin | hehe http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/experiencepoints/experiencepoints-2009-05-27.aspx |
| 14:45.15 | dardack_ | thanks |
| 14:45.23 | airtonix | but |
| 14:45.29 | Coren{de} | the only guarantee you have about # is, that #-1 exists |
| 14:45.50 | Cide | that's pretty funny, Wobin |
| 14:45.52 | dardack_ | lua > t ={ }; print(#t) |
| 14:45.57 | dardack_ | lua> t ={ }; print(#t) |
| 14:45.58 | lua_bot | dardack_: 0 |
| 14:45.59 | airtonix | lua> print(#{1=1,2=2,3=3,"harry" = 4,4=5}) |
| 14:46.00 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 14:46.00 | Wobin | Cide: and true =) |
| 14:46.06 | airtonix | woo fail |
| 14:46.22 | dardack_ | airtonix you asked a few days ago if i still use ventriloctrl i do |
| 14:46.23 | airtonix | anyway |
| 14:46.28 | Wobin | I recall going "zomg, -100% armour... wtf?" on thorim trash =P |
| 14:46.33 | airtonix | i dont think you need it anymore |
| 14:46.34 | Coren{de} | airtonix, numeric keys require [] around them :) |
| 14:46.43 | Wobin | thank god for uber healers |
| 14:46.52 | Wobin | "Suddenly, I'm a clothie..." |
| 14:46.54 | dardack_ | you do i fyour not in a wine window |
| 14:46.55 | airtonix | dardack_, at least if your only using wine programs |
| 14:46.59 | dardack_ | yea |
| 14:47.06 | dardack_ | like if your just using wow then no you dont |
| 14:47.11 | dardack_ | but i find myself oh here in IRC |
| 14:47.13 | dardack_ | or on firefox |
| 14:47.17 | dardack_ | and someone talking to me in vent |
| 14:47.24 | airtonix | dardack_, one problem is that i can't vent the find key subprogram to sense the key im pressing |
| 14:47.27 | Coren{de} | lua> print(#{ ["foo"] = "bar" }) |
| 14:47.28 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 0 |
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| 14:47.34 | airtonix | s/vent/get/ |
| 14:47.39 | dardack_ | you have to edit ventriloctrl i made my delete |
| 14:47.50 | dardack_ | delete is my PTT in vent |
| 14:47.54 | dardack_ | then in ventroloctrl |
| 14:48.00 | dardack_ | here i'll post a patey on where to change it |
| 14:48.02 | airtonix | mine is the 'ins' key on the numpad |
| 14:48.04 | dardack_ | are you using the new one .5? |
| 14:48.08 | airtonix | yes |
| 14:48.12 | dardack_ | ok brb |
| 14:48.25 | airtonix | i was sure i found an x11 prog to return key and mouse data events |
| 14:48.26 | Shirik | airtonix: You need to turn on "directinput" |
| 14:48.45 | Shirik | oh nm |
| 14:48.52 | airtonix | Shirik, yeah. |
| 14:49.03 | Cide | Shirik: do you use ventrilo? |
| 14:49.07 | Cide | and windows 7, I should add |
| 14:49.09 | Shirik | yes sir |
| 14:49.17 | dardack_ | would ins on your numpad is also 0? |
| 14:49.21 | Cide | Shirik: windows 7 also? |
| 14:49.24 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:49.29 | airtonix | Shirik, i have ptt working without directinput, its the ventriloctrl prog that wont sense my keypreses when im setting it up prior to actual usage |
| 14:49.40 | Shirik | I don't know what ventriloctrl |
| 14:49.44 | airtonix | dardack, yes |
| 14:49.46 | Shirik | and directinput is only needed for special keys |
| 14:49.53 | dardack_ | ok airtonix line 17 look for #define SIMULATEKEY XK_Delete // Simulate Key Press |
| 14:49.59 | dardack_ | well delte will be A |
| 14:50.01 | dardack_ | in default |
| 14:50.06 | Cide | had any issues with ventrilo stopping playback of sounds after some time (random, a few minutes usually)? |
| 14:50.14 | dardack_ | change the XK_A to XK_KP_0 |
| 14:50.17 | Shirik | no :/ |
| 14:50.18 | Cide | and then when you click disconnect, it all comes back in sequence? |
| 14:50.22 | dardack_ | then recompile it |
| 14:50.23 | Shirik | But I'm on 7000 |
| 14:50.24 | Cide | IT IS REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING |
| 14:50.26 | Cide | so am I |
| 14:50.43 | Cide | happens in all versions of ventrilo, too |
| 14:50.46 | Shirik | 3.0.4 x64? |
| 14:50.49 | dardack_ | make sure in ventrilo it's also the 0 key on the numpad |
| 14:50.54 | dardack_ | than it should map through correctly |
| 14:51.04 | dardack_ | i didn't like the A in ventriloctrl since while in WoW i use A to turn |
| 14:51.05 | airtonix | roger testing |
| 14:51.07 | Cide | Shirik: yes |
| 14:51.12 | Shirik | not a clue |
| 14:51.12 | dardack_ | so it owuld push the PTT when i didn't want it to |
| 14:51.17 | Cide | and 2.0.x x32, same thing |
| 14:51.41 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 14:51.45 | Fisker- | it's getting hot in here :( |
| 14:51.46 | Cide | the playback upon disconnect is the weirdest thing |
| 14:51.58 | Shirik | Fisker- |
| 14:52.02 | Shirik | so take off all your clothes |
| 14:52.10 | Fisker- | way ahead of you |
| 14:52.14 | airtonix | dardack_, so line 17 defines a key to use if you dont specfiy one ? |
| 14:52.29 | dardack_ | no line 17 defines what key is sent to ventrilo |
| 14:52.38 | dardack_ | no |
| 14:52.40 | dardack_ | yes |
| 14:52.43 | dardack_ | sorry |
| 14:52.52 | dardack_ | so he had it set up that A was sent to vent |
| 14:52.59 | dardack_ | so you needed to set in vent the A key as ptt |
| 14:53.12 | dardack_ | then when you run ./ventriloctrl /dev/input/event# [key{ |
| 14:53.12 | airtonix | what about this findkey subprogram ? |
| 14:53.19 | dardack_ | when you push key it would send A to vent |
| 14:53.28 | dardack_ | you use that to find out the key for the command |
| 14:53.35 | dardack_ | like i use delete so it's 111 |
| 14:53.40 | dardack_ | and my keyboard is event4 |
| 14:53.44 | airtonix | yeah this is my problem |
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| 14:53.50 | dardack_ | so ./ventriloctrl /dev/input/event4 111 |
| 14:53.58 | Fisker- | ew |
| 14:53.59 | Fisker- | linux |
| 14:54.29 | dardack_ | what's the problem airtonix |
| 14:55.12 | airtonix | cat /proc/bus/input/devices > devices.txt = http://pastey.net/115162 |
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| 14:55.22 | airtonix | i assume its event1 |
| 14:55.25 | airtonix | my keyboard |
| 14:56.32 | dardack_ | yes event1 is your keyboard |
| 14:56.40 | Shirik | something is really jacked up with one of these latest windows 7 updates |
| 14:56.44 | airtonix | but i run ventriloctrl /dev/input/event1 and the findkey subprogram runs |
| 14:56.58 | Shirik | uptime: 1w 1d 8h 18m 47s |
| 14:57.10 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it's only been on for a day |
| 14:57.13 | dardack_ | right |
| 14:57.18 | dardack_ | then push your ins key |
| 14:57.19 | Matsy | Are you sure you didn't hibernate? |
| 14:57.21 | dardack_ | to get the # |
| 14:57.22 | dardack_ | oh |
| 14:57.24 | dardack_ | i know the problem |
| 14:57.25 | Wobin | gah |
| 14:57.27 | Shirik | yes Matrix110 |
| 14:57.27 | dardack_ | i have a script that runs |
| 14:57.29 | Wobin | I hate mana tombs as a healer |
| 14:57.30 | Shirik | Matsy |
| 14:57.32 | Shirik | because |
| 14:57.35 | Matsy | Hmm. |
| 14:57.37 | Wobin | especially a lower level healer |
| 14:57.40 | Shirik | The icons started disappearing |
| 14:57.43 | Shirik | so Irestarted |
| 14:57.46 | dardack_ | the /dev/input/event1 is prolly not r/w by the user |
| 14:57.50 | Shirik | and then they came back, and now they're gone again |
| 14:57.56 | dardack_ | you need to chmod a+rwx /dev/input/event1 |
| 14:58.02 | dardack_ | i have a script that runs at startup |
| 14:58.05 | airtonix | dardack, this is the output of the subprog : http://pastey.net/115163 |
| 14:58.10 | dardack_ | but you need to be sudo |
| 14:58.15 | Matsy | What method are you using to check your uptime? |
| 14:58.22 | dardack_ | yep that's the problem |
| 14:58.28 | dardack_ | you can't interact as the user |
| 14:58.33 | dardack_ | so you either have to be super user |
| 14:58.36 | airtonix | so i need to set chmod on a dev folder? |
| 14:58.48 | dardack_ | it's the event, if your not comfortable |
| 14:58.58 | dardack_ | you can add just your userid to the group for that event |
| 14:59.04 | dardack_ | but i am not sure how to do that |
| 14:59.09 | Coren{de} | is a+rwx really necessary? I'd assume a+r be enough... /ponder |
| 14:59.16 | dardack_ | prolly |
| 14:59.20 | dardack_ | hang on checking my script |
| 14:59.34 | dardack_ | do a ls -lap /dev/input/event1 |
| 14:59.53 | dardack_ | and you can see which is turned off/on for root/group/user or osmething |
| 15:00.13 | dardack_ | if group/user doesn't have a 'r' then yes r should survice |
| 15:01.09 | airtonix | group does but not user |
| 15:01.26 | Coren{de} | root.root, rw-rw---- is probably the 'normal' state :) |
| 15:01.37 | dardack_ | ok than user is |
| 15:01.39 | airtonix | crw-rw---- |
| 15:01.55 | dardack_ | um chmod u+r /dev/... |
| 15:01.56 | airtonix | crw-rw---- 1 airtonix root 13, 65 2009-05-25 17:23 /dev/input/event1 |
| 15:01.57 | Coren{de} | c in front means 'character device' |
| 15:02.01 | dardack_ | i mean /dev/input/event1 |
| 15:02.46 | dardack_ | then try the keyfind program |
| 15:03.00 | Coren{de} | that looks inherently unsafe :D I'd probably setgid WoW.exe to a new group with no member |
| 15:03.18 | dardack_ | it's not for wow.exe |
| 15:04.34 | Coren{de} | yeah, I know. I mean: "crw-rw---- root playwow 13, 65... event" and "---rwS--- airtonix playwow .... WoW.exe" |
| 15:04.47 | Coren{de} | never tried setgid though :) |
| 15:05.09 | airtonix | Coren{de}, this is for a program that sends keypresses to ventrilio |
| 15:05.40 | airtonix | Coren{de}, it detects a keypress regardless of program focus and sends it through to vent |
| 15:05.40 | dardack_ | here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2662867&postcount=83 |
| 15:05.44 | Coren{de} | I know, but opening event1 for rw for a user means, any program of that user can read any raw input of *any* user |
| 15:05.46 | dardack_ | safe way to add your user |
| 15:06.25 | dardack_ | Ventrilo Control requires the ability to read and write to the device you've chosen. There are a number of ways to do this but I'll tell you the one that will work and stay working. We're going to write a udev rule so that the group ventrilo has read/write access to your event device. |
| 15:07.20 | dardack_ | yes but just read raw, if it's just you on the computer |
| 15:07.22 | dardack_ | does it matter? |
| 15:08.05 | Coren{de} | It just makes me feel uneasy. I prefer not to open any holes besides those that are already there by accident ;) |
| 15:08.35 | dardack_ | i feel ya |
| 15:08.41 | dardack_ | the udev rule should work tho |
| 15:09.05 | dardack_ | i'm actually gonna set that up, later, right now working on this random mount mod |
| 15:09.56 | dardack_ | i think i asked this before but 'break' will break out of a for loop correct? |
| 15:10.13 | Coren{de} | any loop :) |
| 15:11.24 | Coren{de} | what me always wonders is the lack of a continue command for loops in lua |
| 15:11.44 | Cide | word |
| 15:11.49 | Matsy | And the lack of a switch command :< |
| 15:11.53 | Cide | no need |
| 15:11.59 | Matsy | .. why not |
| 15:12.02 | Coren{de} | sure, can emulate with two chained loops and break instead of continue, still... |
| 15:12.18 | Cide | { [case1] = function() ... end, [case2] = function() ... end }[case]() |
| 15:12.34 | Matsy | what. |
| 15:12.34 | Cide | the fall-through logic of switch is so rare it doesn't need to exist |
| 15:12.49 | Matsy | That makes sense, actually. |
| 15:12.56 | Coren{de} | plus it's rather error-prone IMHO (the fall-thru logic) |
| 15:12.57 | Cide | obviously, I coded it |
| 15:13.45 | mikma | shirik: njah njah njah, np: 26-halo-halo-pms.mp3 |
| 15:13.51 | theorbtwo | The good part about fall-through is that it makes writing case 1: case 2: /*this runs for 1 or 2*/ break; possible. |
| 15:14.04 | theorbtwo | Your dispatch-table example doesn't do that nicely. |
| 15:14.09 | Cide | theorbtwo: I already mentioned that |
| 15:14.16 | Cide | I also mentioned that it's a very rare use case |
| 15:14.41 | Cide | however: |
| 15:14.58 | Coren{de} | for foo = 1, n do DoOp1(foo); if (NoCanDoOp2On(foo)) then continue; DoOp2(foo); done... |
| 15:15.00 | theorbtwo | Cide: Right. I'm saying that particular sub-case of fall-through isn't all that rare -- where you want to do exactly the same thing in two different cases of the switch variable. |
| 15:16.03 | Cide | { function(case, ft) if case != "case1" and not ft then return end /* code for case 1 */ end, function(case) if case != "case2" and not ft then return end /* code for case 1 and 2 */ return true; end } |
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| 15:17.21 | Cide | local ft; for (key, value in cases) ft = not value("case1", ft); if not ft then break end end |
| 15:17.28 | Cide | done |
| 15:17.53 | Cide | missed a "do" but meh |
| 15:20.35 | Cide | theorbtwo: it's not extremely rare, no, but usually the thing you want to do for more than one case is either 1) so much that you should break it out into a function, or 2) so little that you might as well put it in both places |
| 15:20.42 | Cide | the in-between is pretty rare |
| 15:20.52 | theorbtwo | True. |
| 15:21.41 | Cide | bonks self |
| 15:22.03 | Cide | I was sitting here with an image at height=1000, and I was like "what width should I put to make it 16:10 aspect ratio?" |
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| 15:25.24 | dardack_ | ok in a list ie t = {[1] = "test", [2] = "test2", [3] = "test3" } is there a way to remove 2, have 3 move to 2 so it would become t = {[1] = "test", [2] = "test3"}? |
| 15:25.57 | Coren{de} | t[2] = t[3]; t[3] = nil |
| 15:26.28 | Coren{de} | that reminds me... |
| 15:26.54 | Coren{de} | lua> t = { [1] = "foo", [2] = "bar", [3] = "baz" }; t[2] = nil; print(t); |
| 15:26.54 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: table: 0x9fe9ac0 |
| 15:27.06 | Shirik | dardack_: table.remove |
| 15:27.23 | Coren{de} | lua> t = { [1] = "foo", [2] = "bar", [3] = "baz" }; t[2] = nil; local k, v; for k, v in pairs(t) do print(k .. " -> " .. v); end |
| 15:27.23 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 1 -> foo, 3 -> baz |
| 15:27.30 | dardack_ | table.remove, so t.remove(2)? |
| 15:27.40 | Shirik | table.remove(t, 2) |
| 15:27.58 | Matsy | Oh wow |
| 15:28.06 | Matsy | Visual Studio 2010 is a major improvement. |
| 15:28.10 | Shirik | so I hear |
| 15:28.16 | Matsy | Soothing colours in the IDE too. |
| 15:28.16 | dardack_ | ahh thanks shirik |
| 15:28.28 | Coren{de} | hm. weird. I saw in my saved variables something like t = { "foo" -- [1], nil -- [2], "bar" -- [3] } and was wondering |
| 15:28.58 | Coren{de} | lua> t = { [1] = "foo", [2] = "bar", [3] = "baz" }; table.remove(2); for k, v in pairs(t) do print(k .. " -> " .. v); end |
| 15:28.59 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'remove' (table expected, got number) |
| 15:29.07 | Coren{de} | lua> t = { [1] = "foo", [2] = "bar", [3] = "baz" }; table.remove(t, 2); for k, v in pairs(t) do print(k .. " -> " .. v); end |
| 15:29.07 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 1 -> foo, 2 -> baz |
| 15:29.20 | Shirik | Coren{de}, if they don't use ipairs and instead use #, that might happen |
| 15:29.42 | Shirik | the size of {1., nil, 3} can be either 1 or 3 |
| 15:30.07 | Shirik | I don't see why they'd not use pairs though |
| 15:31.15 | Coren{de} | Shirik, I don't get it... :) what op can lead a table in that state? |
| 15:31.29 | Shirik | ? |
| 15:32.24 | Coren{de} | well, how do you create/modify a table to end up with a *value* of nil for whatever key? |
| 15:33.34 | Coren{de} | I wouldn't wonder about a gap, but a nil is just weird. |
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| 15:35.31 | pwntang | hi |
| 15:37.08 | airtonix | dardack_, on a realted note have you seen spux project? |
| 15:37.15 | airtonix | related* |
| 15:37.24 | dardack_ | no i haven't |
| 15:37.33 | dardack_ | is there a way to test if a mount is flying or ground? |
| 15:37.36 | airtonix | supposed to be a linux client to connect to vent servers |
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| 15:47.46 | dardack_ | airtonix: haven't seen it but would be nice |
| 15:47.54 | dardack_ | so no way to test if a mount is flying or ground? |
| 15:48.57 | airtonix | GetCompanionInfo ? |
| 15:49.11 | airtonix | creatureID, creatureName, spellID, icon, active = GetCompanionInfo("type", index) |
| 15:49.14 | airtonix | meh |
| 15:49.28 | airtonix | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCompanionInfo |
| 15:49.56 | Pwntang | I want to make a scrolling log of loot events. What is the best thing to use for that? FauxScrollFrame? |
| 15:50.46 | dardack_ | yea airtonix but no way to tell if it's able to fly or not |
| 15:51.00 | airtonix | dardack, seems not, looks like you need to make your own table |
| 15:51.32 | dardack_ | sigh or parse the tooltip |
| 15:52.23 | dardack_ | or i could use livestock |
| 15:52.55 | airtonix | dardack, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44689 |
| 15:53.01 | jnwhiteh | Pwntang: you dont have to use FSF specifically, but thats probably the best technique to use |
| 15:53.10 | jnwhiteh | I prefer creating my own slider and not using the templates |
| 15:53.15 | airtonix | dardack, http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=61229 |
| 15:53.15 | jnwhiteh | as I show how to do that in the book |
| 15:53.33 | airtonix | dardack, neither of those tooltips have the word "fly" |
| 15:53.34 | dardack_ | right tooltip parsing for outland/northend |
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| 15:53.50 | airtonix | oright |
| 15:53.56 | dardack_ | no land mount i found has those words |
| 15:54.04 | dardack_ | but i think livestock does what i want |
| 15:54.20 | airtonix | the buff they give has the word flight however |
| 15:54.58 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.40 | dardack_ | actually livestock seems a bit overkill for me |
| 15:55.43 | airtonix | still no luck with ventriloctrl. |
| 15:57.00 | Matsy | Woo |
| 15:57.06 | Matsy | One step closer to the solution |
| 15:57.22 | dardack_ | don't think unitaura will work |
| 16:00.22 | Pwntang | does anyone know which texture files make up the top left and right of the talent frame please? I can find bottom left and bottom right but no top ones |
| 16:03.17 | zenzelezz | I think those are pretty generic textures |
| 16:03.25 | zenzelezz | did you try looking at the talent frame's XML? |
| 16:03.35 | Pwntang | good idea |
| 16:03.37 | Pwntang | I'll do that |
| 16:06.40 | dardack_ | question, if i look at code from someone elses addon that is GPL and emmulate that code and modify it slightly say like 10 lines (from like 1200), I was gonna make a comment attributing that code to that programmer and GPL'ing just those lines, is this proper? |
| 16:09.55 | Adys | From slashdot |
| 16:10.06 | Adys | "I have access to all publically available knowledge" |
| 16:10.15 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm of the opinion, that if all you're doing is learning how to solve a problem, and not actually using their code, you're not doing anything wrong by not mentioning it |
| 16:10.26 | Adys | congratulations for having access to anything you have access to. |
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| 16:11.30 | dardack__ | sigh i may have missed an answer to my question |
| 16:11.46 | dardack__ | and now i have a ghost |
| 16:11.57 | Adys | dardack: |
| 16:11.57 | Adys | [19:09:54] <VonhintenHOME`> I'm of the opinion, that if all you're doing is learning how to solve a problem, and not actually using their code, you're not doing anything wrong by not mentioning it |
| 16:12.01 | Adys | thats all |
| 16:12.05 | Adys | afk sleep |
| 16:13.12 | dardack__ | thanks |
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| 16:21.19 | mikma | has fisker- pissed in his pants yet because of the excitement? |
| 16:21.22 | Coren{de} | actually, I'd think you can't GPL *portions* of code... I somewhat remember longish discussions about shell scripts and what is considered linking :| |
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| 16:23.32 | Shirik | no dardack_ |
| 16:23.44 | Shirik | you can't copy any portion of it without following the terms of the GPL |
| 16:23.55 | Shirik | that means if you include it in your code, your code becomes a derivative work |
| 16:24.08 | Shirik | even if it's just one line (though it would be a bit difficult to prove one line) |
| 16:24.42 | zenzelezz | damnit, someone in the neighbourhood is barbeueing, and it smells awesome |
| 16:25.09 | haste | casually pass by and join! |
| 16:25.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:28.01 | Fisker- | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:28.17 | mikma | fisker-: well, have you? |
| 16:28.28 | Fisker- | I'm not wearing pants |
| 16:28.32 | Fisker- | if you catch my drift |
| 16:28.59 | zenzelezz | finally I'm not alone in not wearing pants |
| 16:29.40 | Fisker- | well it's hot zenzelezz |
| 16:29.48 | Fisker- | it's so hot that i got burned alive by pyros to cool down |
| 16:29.56 | zenzelezz | you don't have to make up excuses |
| 16:30.26 | nicoli_s | is not wearing pants either, its that lazy of a day |
| 16:30.47 | Shirik | is not wearing pants either |
| 16:30.52 | Shirik | but it's also 9 AM and I'm still in bed |
| 16:31.23 | nicoli_s | damn west coasters |
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| 16:31.31 | nicoli_s | you get the good part of the country |
| 16:32.04 | mikma | fisker-: <1711> <haste> battle.net account merge is up for EU now |
| 16:32.08 | mikma | fisker-: start jizzing |
| 16:32.27 | zenzelezz | why do you think we're not wearing pants? |
| 16:32.33 | Fisker- | that's like a week old by now |
| 16:34.06 | nicoli_s | because we are lazy? |
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| 16:35.22 | dardack__ | why does randommountlist["Flying"][1] = mounttoadd say attempt to index 'Flying' a nil value? |
| 16:35.33 | dardack__ | doh |
| 16:35.35 | dardack__ | sorry |
| 16:35.39 | haste | :p |
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| 16:36.43 | Cide | http://www.cide.ws/design.jpg |
| 16:36.47 | dardack__ | actually nvm thought i knew |
| 16:36.48 | Cide | good? yes? no? |
| 16:36.50 | dardack__ | but that wasn't it |
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| 16:38.22 | Coren{de} | toolbox any other side of drawing area :) I'd prefer left, or top |
| 16:38.49 | Cide | left works too |
| 16:38.59 | Cide | or top, I don't really care |
| 16:39.35 | dardack__ | ok so if i want a list to be randommountlist["FLying"] point to one and randommountlist["Land"] point to another, how do I add to each list at point 1, 2, 3 etc? |
| 16:39.44 | dardack__ | i know i'm just being slow right now |
| 16:40.17 | Cide | other thoughts? |
| 16:40.22 | Coren{de} | foo["fly"] = {}; foo["fly"][1] = "bar" |
| 16:40.24 | Cide | good idea, bad idea? |
| 16:40.41 | dardack__ | Coren{de}: that's what i did |
| 16:40.52 | dardack__ | but it's telling me attempt to index 'flying' a nil value |
| 16:41.23 | Coren{de} | which means, your rml["Flying"] is *not* a table |
| 16:41.39 | dardack__ | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/115167 line 70 |
| 16:41.49 | Coren{de} | foo = {}; foo["fly"] = {}; foo["fly"][1] = "bar" |
| 16:42.51 | Cide | less helping, more telling me if it's a good or bad idea |
| 16:42.56 | airtonix | how does one append text to a tooltip? ie a tooltip of an aura |
| 16:43.04 | dardack__ | look at my code air |
| 16:43.22 | dardack__ | i think around line 52 |
| 16:43.52 | dardack__ | ok Coren{de} i guess i must of had a saved variable from before i changed the code |
| 16:43.57 | dardack__ | works like i thought it should |
| 16:44.03 | dardack__ | once i delted the saved variable thanks |
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| 16:45.36 | Coren{de} | line 1 might be changed to randommountlist = {} also... otherwise you have your two tables in it and the two string values... |
| 16:46.19 | Coren{de} | or do: randommountlist = { ["Flying"] = {}, ["Land"] = {} } |
| 16:46.23 | Cide | http://www.cide.ws/design.jpg -- good idea, bad idea? I'm thinking it'll output all the necessary code in xml or lua for c&p into one's addon |
| 16:46.31 | Cide | and maybe people can stop doing shitty option windows |
| 16:46.48 | Coren{de} | oops, when did you look at my options window... :> |
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| 16:48.25 | dardack__ | to reemove i would do table.remove(randommountlist["Flying"], #) right? |
| 16:48.49 | Coren{de} | yes |
| 16:49.47 | dardack__ | thanks |
| 16:49.51 | dardack__ | think i got it now |
| 16:50.25 | dardack__ | oh append aironix, i think you can only add lines, not sure you can append directly after the text |
| 16:51.10 | Fisker- | so what can you do mikma ? |
| 16:51.25 | mikma | fisker-: nothing. |
| 16:54.06 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 16:54.42 | Coren{de} | aironix, you could start with: hooksecurefun("GameTooltip", "SetUnitAura", LeetAuraInfoz); function LeetAuraInfoz() GameTooltip:AddLine("Incredible!"); GameTooltip:Show(); end |
| 16:54.57 | Fisker- | and now i'm here to fuck you |
| 16:55.37 | Coren{de} | hooksecurefunc* |
| 16:56.11 | airtonix | i want to GameTooltip:SetUnitAura("unitId", auraIndex[, filter]) |
| 16:56.30 | airtonix | include piece of text describing the owner of the aura |
| 16:56.46 | airtonix | seems i have to recreated the whole tooltip from scratch |
| 16:56.53 | airtonix | recreate* |
| 16:57.02 | Coren{de} | shouldn't be necessary |
| 16:57.49 | airtonix | im using addline, but its only showing that one line |
| 16:58.13 | Coren{de} | GameTooltip:NumLines() + GameTooltipTextLeft<num>:GetText() + GameTooltipTextLeft<num>:SetText() should allow to modify anything already in it |
| 16:58.41 | airtonix | http://pastey.net/115168/407 |
| 16:59.42 | Coren{de} | 1180 lines... where is the interesting area? =) |
| 16:59.48 | airtonix | 407 |
| 17:00.06 | airtonix | 407-415 |
| 17:00.34 | dardack__ | is there a string function to remove certain characters from the string? |
| 17:00.37 | Coren{de} | SetOwner clears GameTooltip |
| 17:00.44 | airtonix | ok |
| 17:01.05 | Coren{de} | when you want to add to a pre-filled, just let it show where it wants to and do your AddLine-s |
| 17:01.48 | Coren{de} | but you have to call Show at the end to let the tooltip adapt its size, so don't drop that :) |
| 17:03.06 | mikma | step 1) http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_053109_194826.jpg |
| 17:03.08 | mikma | step 2) http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_053109_200023.jpg |
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| 17:04.42 | airtonix | Coren{de}, i got rid of setowner, but it still only shows that one line i provide with addline |
| 17:06.11 | Coren{de} | removed the SetAnchor as well? |
| 17:07.13 | airtonix | so only have addline and show? |
| 17:07.33 | airtonix | nothing shows up at all now, no tooltip |
| 17:07.38 | Coren{de} | if you want to add to an pre-set, yes. but I'm not sure you do that from the context I look at |
| 17:08.13 | nicoli_s | can't wait to see animal collective in concert |
| 17:10.35 | dardack__ | so no easy way to strip out a certain character from a string? |
| 17:11.32 | nicoli_s | regex |
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| 17:12.02 | Shirik | gsub |
| 17:12.29 | Shirik | lua> ("haealalaoa awaoaralad"):gsub("a", "") |
| 17:12.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: hello world, 10 |
| 17:12.55 | airtonix | Shirik, example using sed method? |
| 17:13.00 | Shirik | oh |
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| 17:13.08 | Pwntang | does anyone have much experience with fauxscrollframes please? |
| 17:13.10 | Shirik | I don't know how to use sed :P |
| 17:13.13 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.31 | Shirik | isn't it s/.../.../g? |
| 17:13.34 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 17:13.40 | airtonix | me either much |
| 17:13.48 | Coren{de} | g = every occurence |
| 17:13.55 | airtonix | depends on the sed binary your using |
| 17:14.02 | airtonix | i know d = delete |
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| 17:14.19 | Shirik | but replacing with nothing is the same as deleting |
| 17:14.24 | airtonix | sure |
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| 17:14.32 | Shirik | so s/search//g ? |
| 17:14.37 | airtonix | yep |
| 17:14.57 | airtonix | one of the string search funstions takes regex like that ? |
| 17:15.01 | airtonix | functions* |
| 17:15.09 | Shirik | where? |
| 17:15.16 | airtonix | for lua i mean, is there? |
| 17:15.31 | Shirik | there's only gsub which I already mentioned |
| 17:15.36 | Shirik | why do you want sed |
| 17:15.49 | airtonix | i dont, i was just looking for other ways out of interest |
| 17:16.10 | dardack__ | lua> local str = "spellID788[test]"; local ibeg, iend = string.find(str, "["); print(ibeg) |
| 17:16.11 | lua_bot | dardack__: luabot:1: malformed pattern (missing ']') |
| 17:16.14 | Shirik | There's ways to do it with string.match, string.sub/string.find, |
| 17:16.18 | Shirik | but I don't think it's a good idea |
| 17:16.45 | dardack__ | lua> local str = "spellID788[test]"; local ibeg, iend = string.find(str, "%["); print(ibeg) |
| 17:16.46 | lua_bot | dardack__: 11 |
| 17:17.04 | dardack__ | lua> local str = "spellID788[test]"; local ibeg, iend = string.find(str, "%["); print(iend) |
| 17:17.04 | lua_bot | dardack__: 11 |
| 17:17.07 | dardack__ | doh |
| 17:17.09 | dardack__ | heh |
| 17:17.13 | Shirik | Anyone here have spybot? |
| 17:18.50 | Kraps | If we do not succeed we run the risk of failure. |
| 17:18.51 | Kraps | â Dan Quayle |
| 17:19.53 | mikma | spotify:track:1WrY0a4ipOH9nzk1EQF1wd |
| 17:19.54 | Coren{de} | We're at war with Oceania. We've ALWAYS been at war with Oceania. Eurasia is our enemy. -- Orwell |
| 17:19.56 | mikma | that's for wobin |
| 17:20.32 | Coren{de} | Eh. Ally, not enemy. :D |
| 17:23.31 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, kinda |
| 17:23.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:23.52 | Thunder_Child | " @Shirik: Anyone here have spybot?" |
| 17:24.12 | Shirik | what does "kinda" mean? |
| 17:24.22 | Thunder_Child | it's installed but i never use it |
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| 17:25.06 | Shirik | so it doesn't run in the background? |
| 17:25.28 | dardack__ | can i do CallCompanion("MOUNT", mrl["Land"][(random(#mrl["Land"]))][2])? |
| 17:25.32 | Thunder_Child | it has the option to iirc but it was anoying |
| 17:25.42 | Thunder_Child | it kept asking question |
| 17:25.43 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 17:26.13 | Thunder_Child | TeaTimer or somesuch |
| 17:27.33 | Shirik | ok so you turned ito ff |
| 17:27.41 | Shirik | someone told me TeaTimer is terminating my installer due to it being a virus |
| 17:28.12 | Thunder_Child | except spybot is not an AV program |
| 17:28.27 | Shirik | I'm just telling you what they said |
| 17:28.34 | Shirik | ok? |
| 17:28.49 | Thunder_Child | i know, i just find it odd |
| 17:29.12 | Thunder_Child | it could be executing as malicious code to a very generic filter |
| 17:29.17 | Shirik | http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=150 |
| 17:29.53 | Shirik | Well I admit, a temporary file that executes itself as administrator and then copies some files into program files is a bit suspcious |
| 17:29.59 | Shirik | But, that's a hell of a generic filter |
| 17:30.26 | Shirik | and also is the definition of just about every installer |
| 17:30.29 | Coren{de} | the "Fraud.VirusDoctor" rather suggests that it's not based on behaviour |
| 17:31.25 | Thunder_Child | java runs an exe file? |
| 17:31.51 | Coren{de} | the installation that Shirik wrote for Windows does because of the heaven called UAC :> |
| 17:33.18 | Shirik | ^ |
| 17:33.18 | Shirik | I have a very short executable that gets downloaded and run on install or update to deal with UAC |
| 17:33.18 | Shirik | the update one is even called "uac_tool.exe" |
| 17:34.02 | Shirik | It's a very simple program. It just tries to make itself administrator, copies files, installs shortcuts, and exits |
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| 17:35.04 | Thunder_Child | if you look it up online it is ONLY spybot that is detecting this |
| 17:35.13 | dardack__ | can you create a frame in a if functioin and then delete it/ |
| 17:35.17 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 17:35.21 | nevcairiel | you cannot delete frames |
| 17:35.55 | dardack__ | dang |
| 17:36.04 | Shirik | why do you want to delete a frame |
| 17:36.10 | dardack__ | how do i clear a tooltip frame i created |
| 17:36.25 | Coren{de} | :Hide() clears GameTooltip... |
| 17:36.35 | dardack__ | oh hide |
| 17:36.37 | dardack__ | doh thanks |
| 17:38.18 | mikma | lal, Spaceman - Babylon Zoo |
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| 17:45.01 | dardack__ | wtf Bronze drake on tooltip shows bronze drake but GetCompanionInfo returns bronze drake mount |
| 17:45.31 | Shirik | need svn guru. Let's say I want to tag a file from /trunk/foo to /tags/foo/2.1 |
| 17:45.38 | Shirik | but /tags/foo doesn't exist, only /tags |
| 17:45.42 | dardack__ | seems to be the only one so far in my mount list |
| 17:45.43 | dardack__ | but still |
| 17:46.02 | Shirik | is there a way to fix it without checking out /tags? |
| 17:48.16 | End | if you don't mind doing it two commands, definitely yes |
| 17:48.23 | End | I don't know if you can do it with just svn cp though |
| 17:48.38 | End | commands=commits |
| 17:50.02 | Shirik | I don't care about two commits |
| 17:50.10 | Shirik | I care about the incredibly long time for checkout of my tags folder |
| 17:51.35 | End | I assume you already tried doing a simple svn cp? |
| 17:51.58 | End | in which case, do a svn mkdir http://blah/tags/foo |
| 17:52.24 | Shirik | I didn't realize I can do a remote mkdir |
| 17:52.46 | End | well, now you know 8-) |
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| 17:54.13 | dardack__ | ok a random mount mod, category bags/inventory or spells/buffs? |
| 17:56.58 | foxlit | neither, preferably |
| 17:57.45 | foxlit | Then again, you're low on options |
| 17:58.06 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?search=mount |
| 17:58.18 | foxlit | Looks like "Miscellaneous" wins |
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| 18:05.56 | Fisker- | wtf was that shit |
| 18:06.09 | Fisker- | Mimiron did a laser barrage at the same time as a shock blast |
| 18:06.39 | foxlit | He detected a Fisker-. |
| 18:06.50 | foxlit | And the only safe choice was laser barraging... from orbit. |
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| 18:14.57 | Aelobin | anyone on EU know if there's currently payment errors in the paid migration? |
| 18:15.03 | Aelobin | keep getting "payment rejected" >_> |
| 18:15.09 | dardack__ | so i just uploaded my second mod, not many using the first, but eh sharing what i go |
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| 18:20.08 | Pwntang | can someone help me with my scrollframe please? |
| 18:20.25 | Pwntang | I cant seem to alter the size of it. No matter what I do the scroll bars are very tall |
| 18:22.24 | Shirik | HTTP needs a "Request-ID" header for POST requests |
| 18:22.45 | foxlit | meh, why? |
| 18:22.48 | Shirik | Or for all requests |
| 18:22.48 | Shirik | this way the server can know when a request was duplicated and handle it appropriately (like purchases) |
| 18:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Make one yourself? |
| 18:23.26 | Shirik | If it detects a duplicate, it can send a cached version of the response back |
| 18:23.27 | foxlit | I can't imagine why you wouldn't be able to implement your own duplicate checking. |
| 18:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | <input type="hidden" name="reqID" value="ksdjhfIY&y*&h8g" /> |
| 18:23.40 | Shirik | That way it doesn't attempt to execute the operation again |
| 18:23.52 | foxlit | Hey now. |
| 18:23.58 | foxlit | There's no guarantee you want that behavior |
| 18:23.59 | Shirik | well sure |
| 18:24.11 | Shirik | but point is pretty much everyone has to do that right now |
| 18:24.12 | Shirik | most stores have something like that built in |
| 18:24.13 | tlund | GAH. some addons is making right-click on stuff in instances fail (nothing happens) but it doesnt seem to start when just entering the instance (maby after beeing in combat once?) any one else notices this? started maby a week or two ago... |
| 18:25.39 | ZorbaTHut | tlund, is it Cartographer? |
| 18:25.45 | Shirik | so make it configurable |
| 18:25.52 | ScytheBlade1 | or |
| 18:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | <input type="hidden" name="reqID" value="ksdjhfIY&y*&h8g" /> |
| 18:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Do it yourself |
| 18:26.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't hard |
| 18:26.02 | Shirik | but as of right now the server itself has no way to know what is a duplicate request |
| 18:26.07 | foxlit | Meh. There's no reason to put that in a protocol when it can be implemented in some framework. |
| 18:26.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't want the server knowing that :/ |
| 18:26.27 | Shirik | I think the protocol is more prepared to handle it than the application layer |
| 18:26.43 | ScytheBlade1 | no, because it'd have to dig into the app layer to see what it should do with that |
| 18:26.50 | Shirik | Just as the same thing is implemented in TCP |
| 18:27.41 | Shirik | no it wouldn't |
| 18:28.29 | tlund | ZorbaTHut: no idea, i didnt start trying to eliminate it yet, since i dont know 100% how to reproduce it :( went here for clues first. |
| 18:28.29 | Shirik | Cache the response, retransmit |
| 18:28.30 | ZorbaTHut | tlund, well, it sounds almost exactly like a bug that's been in the Cartographer Instance module for about a month now |
| 18:28.30 | tlund | drwxrwxrwx 1 tlund tlund 0 2009-05-19 19:59 Cartographer/ |
| 18:28.30 | _rane | is it possible to have cast bars for all name plates, not just the one you're targeting? |
| 18:28.33 | tlund | it updated around that time soo yeah, might be. |
| 18:28.43 | foxlit | So you want to store all POST responses? |
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| 18:28.46 | foxlit | For how long? |
| 18:28.59 | Shirik | omfg hotmail is completely unusable right now |
| 18:29.04 | tlund | ZorbaTHut: ill give it a try and see if i can find out how to reproduce it with 100% reliability and then disable Cartographer. |
| 18:29.09 | tlund | ZorbaTHut: is it Cartographer_InstanceMaps? |
| 18:29.15 | Shirik | It has higher bandwidth demands than curse |
| 18:29.17 | tlund | or Cartographer_InstanceLoot? |
| 18:30.23 | Matsy | Who uses hotmail anyway ;p |
| 18:30.24 | Magdain | _rane: Kollektiv's Overhead does that, but it only functions in arena. |
| 18:30.31 | Shirik | until the client makes another request, or until some timeout |
| 18:30.34 | ZorbaTHut | tlund, not sure. I'd just disable all of Cartographer for a bit and see what happens. |
| 18:31.04 | tlund | i tried cart3 and mapster as a replacement already, but i really LOVE cart2, i dont want to play without it :) |
| 18:31.27 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's a nice UI mod. Unfortunately it's buggy, too. Your call. :) |
| 18:31.46 | ZorbaTHut | I've been trying to get them to fix it for quite a while now, and it doesn't seem to be happening, so . . . there you have it. |
| 18:35.25 | tlund | just lack of time i guess :( |
| 18:35.30 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 18:35.31 | purl | ~pong |
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| 18:35.49 | tlund | ZorbaTHut: thanks for making questhelper btw :) |
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| 18:36.26 | Matsy | Shirik, couldn't you just make some dictionary with responses? |
| 18:36.34 | tlund | ZorbaTHut: ooh.. why is QH:s arrow working in dalaran and not cartographers? did you fix some bug? |
| 18:37.02 | Matsy | And add responses by their request ID. |
| 18:37.09 | Matsy | And then see if they're in that list? |
| 18:37.15 | Matsy | And remove them from the list after a certain time. |
| 18:37.59 | Matsy | Most of our purchase systems work like that, in a way. |
| 18:38.32 | Shirik | rofl |
| 18:38.43 | Shirik | ok so I applied to a guild a few weeks before moving out to washington |
| 18:38.50 | Shirik | joined up with them, they all already knew me, etc. |
| 18:38.58 | Shirik | small server, you get to know people |
| 18:39.05 | Shirik | anyway was raiding for a while then moved out to washington still recruit |
| 18:39.06 | mikma | they love you? |
| 18:39.06 | tlund | yeah, lots of comments about the right-click-menu-stuff in cartographers comments :) |
| 18:39.17 | Shirik | haven't really had internet for about 2-3 weeks now, so haven't logged on, haven't even checked guild site |
| 18:39.22 | ZorbaTHut | tlund, np :) and it wouldn't surprise me, but I really couldn't say - I implemented my own arrow 'cause I was tired of dealing with bugs in the others. at this point I send them the canned info and what they do with it is their problem ;) |
| 18:39.32 | Shirik | I just logged on now to post an "I'm still alive" message, it says I'm raider, not recruit >.> |
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| 18:39.39 | Shirik | apparently they promoted me in my absence >.> |
| 18:40.38 | tlund | ZorbaTHut: ok :) |
| 18:41.36 | zenzelezz | Shirik: maybe they've been raiding with 24 and just not noticing your absence |
| 18:41.53 | |pez| | Shirik: Maybe they just love you! |
| 18:42.20 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, same thing happened to me. I took a week off raiding, and when I came back I was a veteran :P |
| 18:42.39 | foxlit | Perhaps you perform best while AFK :) |
| 18:43.14 | Shirik | Well in all honesty as I said they already knew me |
| 18:43.23 | ZorbaTHut | (which is doubly funny because I technically don't even have the minimum requirements for that rank) |
| 18:43.28 | Shirik | There's only two real horde raiding guilds, and I was healing lead in one of them, left to join the other |
| 18:43.44 | Fisker- | so hows ulduar Shirik ? |
| 18:43.45 | zenzelezz | I still think my explanation sounds more likely |
| 18:43.57 | Shirik | I hope not :P |
| 18:44.06 | Thunder_Child | huh, you *are* alive ZorbaTHut |
| 18:44.23 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, yeah, if by "alive" you mean "been sick for a week" |
| 18:44.39 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't been getting much done. though I do keep noticing that you want to talk to me, then you log off before I get back ;) what's up? |
| 18:44.44 | Ackis | is there a mod which will calculate mana regen from spirit/int for + x stats? |
| 18:44.44 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, hmm...no i actually didnt mean that |
| 18:45.06 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, i have never logged off. DC maybe, but not log off |
| 18:45.36 | ZorbaTHut | huh, well, anyway, I'm here :) |
| 18:46.10 | Thunder_Child | quite...1 sec while i try to remeber what it was i wanted to say to you |
| 18:46.15 | Thunder_Child | remember* |
| 18:46.43 | Shirik | Rofl |
| 18:46.46 | Shirik | I feel dirty now |
| 18:46.57 | Shirik | someone in #lua asked for a way to emulate a haskell construct |
| 18:47.03 | |pez| | Shirik: I thought you were dirty... :o |
| 18:47.11 | Shirik | !lua local mt = {__index = function(self, k) local f = function(...) return self(_G[k](...)) end debug.setmetatable(f, mt); return f; end}; function f(x) return 2*x; end function g(x) return x + 1; end debug.setmetatable(f, mt) print(f.g(2)) |
| 18:47.11 | batbot | Shirik: 6 |
| 18:47.17 | Shirik | function composition! |
| 18:47.25 | Shirik | f.g(2) returns f(g(2)) |
| 18:48.15 | Matsy | Lua looks so ugly. :( |
| 18:48.29 | Shirik | no, THAT looks ugly |
| 18:48.32 | Shirik | that's not normal lua :P |
| 18:48.38 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, is there a particular place i can put suggestion or should i just bug you here |
| 18:48.41 | Matsy | I know |
| 18:48.46 | Matsy | But, even normal Lua looks ugly ;p |
| 18:48.56 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, here's fine, but note that pretty much any suggestion is going to be waiting at least a month |
| 18:48.58 | ZorbaTHut | probably more |
| 18:48.59 | Matsy | Compared to my lovely <3 |
| 18:49.44 | zenzelezz | Shirik - making lua look like perl |
| 18:49.45 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, -_-. ok, more quest lvl filters would be nice +3m +4, etc. |
| 18:49.57 | Matsy | Needs more F# :( |
| 18:49.59 | ZorbaTHut | you mean like "/qh level +4"? |
| 18:50.02 | Shirik | ew no |
| 18:50.04 | Tuller | damn it, guitar hero 5 has underpressure |
| 18:50.06 | ZorbaTHut | or is there something else you're looking for? |
| 18:50.09 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, ya |
| 18:50.23 | Matsy | No to F#, or perl? |
| 18:50.36 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, and some option to auto place instance quests when not in a group on a low priority |
| 18:50.42 | Shirik | both |
| 18:50.53 | Shirik | now if you want a beautiful language |
| 18:50.55 | ZorbaTHut | no, I mean, what are you actually asking for? do you want more than the existing functionality? |
| 18:50.56 | Shirik | you would go with C++ |
| 18:50.57 | Matsy | Why. |
| 18:51.25 | Shirik | What I really want is an unmanaged language like C# |
| 18:51.36 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, just more level options. i run out of quests that are just 2 lvl's above me and i can do up to 4 or 5 levels above me |
| 18:51.48 | Shirik | so C# without all the .NET crap |
| 18:51.48 | Shirik | C++ has some problems that I'd like to touch up |
| 18:51.50 | Thunder_Child | but there is no way to filter that. it is either 2 or everything |
| 18:51.54 | ZorbaTHut | right, so do "/qh level 4" and now it'll show quests 4 levels above you |
| 18:52.00 | ZorbaTHut | the option you want already exists :P |
| 18:52.04 | Shirik | I guess I could make a new language and name it ++C++ |
| 18:52.04 | Shirik | or something |
| 18:52.13 | Thunder_Child | ah, it doesnt say that |
| 18:52.33 | Matsy | C# works too. |
| 18:52.38 | ZorbaTHut | it should be the second entry under the "objective filtering" category in /qh help |
| 18:52.42 | Matsy | But, I figured I'd keep it within the "scripting-type" languages. |
| 18:52.50 | ZorbaTHut | check that out and see if it's vanished? |
| 18:52.53 | Magdain | Call it Cb |
| 18:52.55 | Magdain | (Bad joke) |
| 18:53.33 | Thunder_Child | bah, have to go i'll pick this up later ZorbaTHut, thanks |
| 18:53.48 | ZorbaTHut | np, hope it works :) |
| 18:54.21 | Shirik | C# is managed |
| 18:54.21 | Shirik | And I hate their whole idea of "We have destructors, but you actually shouldn't use them" |
| 18:54.35 | Matsy | Omg :( |
| 18:54.39 | Matsy | The new VS2010 is too good. |
| 18:54.50 | Matsy | There's a Debug History. |
| 18:54.53 | Shirik | I'm coding in visual studio and I run a code analysis and it's all like "Microsoft.Design: Remove the finalizer and put finalizing code in Dispose(bool) instead" |
| 18:54.53 | Shirik | I'm like "thanks, you made a completely worthless feature" |
| 18:55.03 | foxlit | Will it be nerfed in an upcoming balancing patch? |
| 18:55.11 | Matsy | I hope so. |
| 18:55.25 | Matsy | Because, with this, I won't have anything to do while I'm working |
| 18:55.42 | Matsy | They'd be able to switch to 5 programmers :< |
| 18:56.19 | Shirik | debug "history"? |
| 18:56.37 | Matsy | Yes. |
| 18:56.40 | Matsy | If you're debugging |
| 18:56.43 | Matsy | And, you're breakpointing |
| 18:56.47 | Matsy | You can see all the steps you've taken |
| 18:56.53 | Matsy | And can see some "snapshot" of it. |
| 18:57.18 | Shirik | I won't be using VS2010 anytime soon, to say the least |
| 18:57.18 | Shirik | we aren't even moving to VS2008 for another month |
| 18:57.28 | Matsy | Still using 2005? |
| 18:57.49 | Shirik | yup |
| 18:57.50 | Pwntang | how do u use <NormalFont> within a template pls? |
| 18:58.01 | Pwntang | I would like to be able to set the colour of the text from within the template |
| 18:58.09 | Pwntang | and justify left |
| 18:58.30 | Matsy | I don't think we're even in a position to use 2005. |
| 18:58.33 | Matsy | Not really sure. |
| 18:58.51 | Shirik | why not |
| 18:59.00 | Matsy | Oh no, we aren't. |
| 18:59.30 | Matsy | It has no standard support for WPF applications. |
| 18:59.43 | Matsy | And, no WCF services either. |
| 19:00.06 | Fisker- | 2008 is nice |
| 19:00.17 | Matsy | I'm not sure about Sharepoint, though |
| 19:00.22 | Shirik | I need an eletronics store |
| 19:00.24 | Matsy | Since, Sharepoint HAS to work with VS, will I use it. |
| 19:00.28 | Shirik | like a best buy |
| 19:00.28 | Shirik | hmm |
| 19:00.34 | Fisker- | their source control is annoying though |
| 19:00.35 | Shirik | am I willing to go 45 miles to get to a best buy |
| 19:00.42 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 19:00.52 | Matsy | That's why we use a TFS. |
| 19:01.14 | Matsy | It really is a major breakthrough. |
| 19:01.18 | Pwntang | is there a way of setting the font colour from within a template? |
| 19:01.30 | Shirik | We develop a lot of stuff in-house |
| 19:01.43 | Matsy | in-house? |
| 19:01.46 | Shirik | We use Perforce and MKS, and we develop a bunch of plugins for VS, EA, all our tools to communicate with Perforce and MKS |
| 19:01.51 | Fisker- | Microsoft is here to F# us |
| 19:02.01 | Shirik | all our code generation, etc., is all done by us |
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| 19:02.12 | Shirik | that's why it's a bit of a risk to move to 2008 |
| 19:02.29 | Matsy | I can't really say I worked with Perforce. |
| 19:02.35 | Shirik | I love it |
| 19:02.44 | Shirik | I wish I could use it myself :) |
| 19:02.48 | Shirik | as a personal tool |
| 19:02.55 | Shirik | but unfortunately it's a commercial VCS |
| 19:03.11 | Matsy | ... |
| 19:03.19 | Matsy | Perforce looks like an upgraded FTP client |
| 19:03.26 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:03.29 | Shirik | no it doesn't |
| 19:03.33 | Shirik | why do you think so? lol |
| 19:03.36 | Matsy | http://filehost.perforce.com/downloads/media/p4v/p4v.html |
| 19:03.41 | Matsy | I'm watching that |
| 19:03.46 | Shirik | I can't watch it |
| 19:03.54 | Shirik | oh the client for it, maybe |
| 19:04.01 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 19:04.04 | Shirik | but anyway, perforce is very high-quality |
| 19:04.07 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 19:04.13 | Shirik | We have somewhere around 70k files on the server |
| 19:04.16 | Matsy | Oh, I wasn't having any doubts about that |
| 19:04.20 | Shirik | and making tons of changes every day |
| 19:04.24 | Matsy | What do you use it for, anyway? |
| 19:04.37 | Shirik | all our software and documentation |
| 19:04.43 | dardack__ | yawn |
| 19:04.49 | Matsy | Ah. |
| 19:05.25 | Matsy | Yeah, revision control is quite an issue where I work |
| 19:05.57 | Shirik | we have a very strict policy :) but you need to have one |
| 19:06.07 | Shirik | can't afford to have defects |
| 19:06.12 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 19:06.19 | Matsy | We do have one. |
| 19:06.21 | Fisker- | :O |
| 19:06.24 | Fisker- | no ribbon menus in 2010 |
| 19:06.25 | Matsy | And, the problem isn't in the software. |
| 19:06.26 | Fisker- | slackers |
| 19:06.43 | Matsy | It's mostly the programmers that are slacking. |
| 19:06.46 | Matsy | ;p |
| 19:07.05 | foxlit | poor Shadowed. |
| 19:07.19 | Shadowed | mmm? |
| 19:07.33 | Matsy | Fisker. |
| 19:07.38 | Fisker- | stupid cat om nom nomming my dinner :( |
| 19:07.41 | Matsy | They made that decision on purpose. |
| 19:07.45 | foxlit | Had to pull the vehicle stuff? |
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| 19:07.51 | Matsy | Rico Mariani didn't like Ribbon. |
| 19:07.53 | Shadowed | eh, didn't feel like messing with it more right now |
| 19:07.54 | Matsy | So, they didn't put it in. |
| 19:07.55 | Shadowed | I'll deal with it later |
| 19:07.57 | Shirik | Matsy: Our server rejects any commits that are not checked in according to policy :) And one of those policies is to have a formal review |
| 19:08.04 | Pwntang | does anyone have any ideas re the font colors within a template? |
| 19:08.06 | Shirik | So unless you lie and put someone else's name on the commit |
| 19:08.10 | Shirik | it won't let it through |
| 19:08.16 | Shadowed | but it doesn't seem to work very cleanly in raids |
| 19:08.20 | Matsy | :< |
| 19:08.22 | Shirik | And if you DO lie, you're going to have hell to pay later :P |
| 19:08.31 | Matsy | And, I don't think I'd have liked Ribbon on VS either |
| 19:08.55 | Shadowed | mostly just unit watch stuff that needs to be tweaked |
| 19:08.55 | foxlit | It wasn't *that far* off what would actually work :) |
| 19:09.01 | Shirik | And if you do screw up, everyone knows |
| 19:09.04 | Shadowed | and what "actually worked" |
| 19:09.04 | Shirik | every time a commit is made, it's built and then emailed to everyone |
| 19:09.08 | Pwntang | nobody knows? |
| 19:09.09 | Shirik | etc. |
| 19:09.10 | Fisker- | idk Shadowed |
| 19:09.16 | Fisker- | they did a pretty good job on Office 2010 |
| 19:09.26 | Matsy | Wow |
| 19:09.29 | Matsy | That's pretty strict. |
| 19:09.52 | Matsy | If you don't mind me asking, do you have a customer group? |
| 19:09.57 | Shirik | Unfortunately it takes about 10-20 minutes to build, so sometimes they get a little backed up |
| 19:10.02 | Matsy | Like, Health Care, schools, etc |
| 19:10.07 | Matsy | So I can get this sense of strictness ;p |
| 19:10.09 | Shirik | and then it's hard to tell exactly where the problem started :) |
| 19:10.25 | Shirik | what do you mean customer group? |
| 19:11.01 | Matsy | The company you work at, are all the customers alike? |
| 19:11.17 | Matsy | I'm having a hard time finding the right English description for it ;p |
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| 19:11.29 | Shirik | ah, you could say that |
| 19:11.48 | Shadowed | foxlit: The stuff I was playing with was the last pastey I saw from you, but I didn't test it that extensively in raids so if theres another version I'll look at that. |
| 19:11.52 | Shirik | I work for a company that develops unmanned aircraft |
| 19:12.00 | Matsy | Ah! |
| 19:12.03 | Matsy | Ah yes. |
| 19:12.23 | foxlit | Some of the conditionals don't actually... make sense. |
| 19:12.42 | dardack_ | it's restricted when an ore node is in range yes? |
| 19:12.49 | Shadowed | like, harm, help? :p |
| 19:12.57 | foxlit | No. |
| 19:13.09 | foxlit | Like [target=%s,exists] would remap pets to none if they existed. |
| 19:13.28 | Shadowed | that's not the stuff I cared about |
| 19:13.35 | Shadowed | the pet part is easy to fix |
| 19:13.48 | Shadowed | it was the fact that it wouldn't work in raids which was more of a problem |
| 19:14.35 | Matsy | Sounds interesting, though |
| 19:15.15 | Shirik | it's fun stuff |
| 19:15.28 | laeg-work | when i rogue uses mutilate does it take over as his primary attack from sinister strike like hemo does or mortal strike does for a warrior? |
| 19:15.30 | Shirik | I work on the flight controls team so we have some really crazy things to deal with |
| 19:15.41 | Shirik | what happens if the engine cuts out, etc. |
| 19:16.01 | Matsy | ;o |
| 19:16.05 | Matsy | :( |
| 19:16.09 | Matsy | That's a lot more interesting than what I do |
| 19:16.29 | Shirik | :( sorry |
| 19:16.35 | Matsy | Haha, doesn't matter ;p |
| 19:16.38 | Shirik | I'm sure what you do is a lot less stressful though |
| 19:16.45 | Matsy | Not quite ;p |
| 19:16.57 | Shirik | Most of the people I work with are working somewhere around 12 hour days and saturdays right now |
| 19:17.04 | Matsy | We create the systems that register all the trauma cases in all the hospitals in The Netherlands. |
| 19:17.21 | Shirik | I accidentally went overtime myself last week |
| 19:17.25 | Matsy | If something messes up there. |
| 19:17.27 | Matsy | What. |
| 19:17.37 | Matsy | Okay, we don't work that long :< |
| 19:17.45 | Shirik | well, that's security sensitive :) |
| 19:17.49 | |pez| | doesn't work at all! |
| 19:18.09 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 19:18.25 | Shirik | Well admittedly they're only working that long right now because we have a deadline coming up |
| 19:18.47 | Shirik | I'm not sure how much I can say about what we're working for. Let me see if I can find an article |
| 19:19.45 | Matsy | Well, I love my job nonetheless. |
| 19:19.54 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 19:19.58 | Matsy | I'm way too young to be working there, so it's quite good. |
| 19:20.03 | Fisker- | oh yeah Shirik |
| 19:20.10 | Fisker- | you forgot to tell me how to get bigger balls |
| 19:21.03 | Shirik | that's what matters :) |
| 19:21.03 | Shirik | long as you love what you do, you'll never have to work a day in your life |
| 19:21.52 | Shirik | if you kick them |
| 19:21.52 | Shirik | they will swell up |
| 19:22.22 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 19:22.30 | Matsy | I don't see it as working |
| 19:22.34 | Matsy | Well, I do |
| 19:22.39 | Matsy | But, I enjoy doing it ^_^ |
| 19:24.15 | nicoli_s | yay! my [ key finally started working again |
| 19:24.29 | nicoli_s | writing c# key without [ totally blows |
| 19:24.37 | nicoli_s | key = code* |
| 19:24.48 | Matsy | What'd you use [ for, other than annotations. |
| 19:24.52 | Matsy | ;o |
| 19:25.09 | nicoli_s | for indexing |
| 19:25.17 | nicoli_s | and then i need to use { fr brackets, same key |
| 19:25.23 | Matsy | Oh, lol |
| 19:25.24 | Matsy | of course. |
| 19:25.34 | Shirik | erm |
| 19:25.34 | Shirik | grats? |
| 19:25.34 | Shirik | why did it break |
| 19:25.48 | nicoli_s | water gt poured on the keyboard like 6 months ago |
| 19:25.55 | nicoli_s | and it just now fixed itself |
| 19:26.02 | Shirik | you slammed it too hard huh |
| 19:26.02 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:26.02 | Shirik | yes, C# does rely on [ quite a bit |
| 19:26.17 | nicoli_s | yeah, so i would have to just copy and paste whenever i needed [ or { |
| 19:26.50 | Shirik | also the whole [assembly: some random crap here] |
| 19:26.56 | Shirik | or better yet, [Microsoft.SupressMessage(...)] |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker- | not those balls Shirik |
| 19:27.50 | nicoli_s | maybe having my fixed key will help me be more productive getting this shit done, i hate writing code to read file formatsi already know the format of |
| 19:28.00 | nicoli_s | i so prefer figuring out the file format as i write a parser for it |
| 19:28.07 | Shirik | so many stupid code analysis things |
| 19:29.14 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 19:29.21 | Fisker- | if you don't show me i'll try your suggestion |
| 19:29.21 | Shirik | yeah I can't find any good articles on what I'm working on right now, but I know they're out there |
| 19:29.21 | Shirik | there's one in my email at work I can give you on Monday :) |
| 19:29.22 | Fisker- | but on you first |
| 19:29.23 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 19:29.46 | Shirik | noty |
| 19:31.38 | Fisker- | you think i can't afford a flight to washington? |
| 19:32.16 | Shirik | I think you can't find me even if you could |
| 19:32.16 | Shirik | I'm in the middle of nowhere, you probably couldn't even find the town |
| 19:33.10 | Fisker- | I can't find you even if i could? |
| 19:33.11 | Fisker- | HOHOHO |
| 19:33.20 | Fisker- | anyways i already know where you live |
| 19:34.21 | Shirik | oh ya? |
| 19:34.27 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 19:34.28 | Fisker- | america |
| 19:34.29 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 19:34.36 | Fisker- | plx halp me make my balls large |
| 19:34.37 | Fisker- | r |
| 19:35.13 | Matsy | Woo:D |
| 19:35.16 | Matsy | I'd love to see it, Shirik |
| 19:37.24 | Zhinjio | anyone have any experience with vehicle event detection? |
| 19:37.31 | Shirik | This is our current product http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScanEagle |
| 19:37.31 | Shirik | not really where our focus is right now |
| 19:38.17 | Matsy | Are those the ones for terrain recording? |
| 19:38.57 | Zhinjio | I tried registering for PLAYER_ENTERED_VEHICLE, PLAYER_EXITED_VEHICLE and PLAYER_GAINS_VEHICLE_DATA and none of them fire on entering/exiting the steel gate daily plane |
| 19:39.01 | Zhinjio | so wtf |
| 19:39.11 | Shirik | let me just say the camera is powerful enough to do a lot more than terrain recording :) |
| 19:39.29 | Shirik | It was used during the whole pirate crisis in recovering the captain of that boat |
| 19:39.31 | Shirik | for example |
| 19:40.06 | Matsy | LOL |
| 19:41.41 | Matsy | That's great. |
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| 19:45.37 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 19:48.13 | Shirik | hey Fisker- |
| 19:48.38 | Shirik | I think I shall go take a shower now |
| 19:48.53 | Shirik | and restart my computer |
| 19:48.56 | Shirik | so bai |
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| 20:01.28 | Fisker- | new ui is kinda ribbon-esque |
| 20:02.24 | zenzelezz | which UI? |
| 20:02.51 | Fisker- | in vs2010 |
| 20:07.24 | Matsy | You're using it too? |
| 20:10.33 | nevcairiel | fisker just looks at stuff and comments, he can't code |
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| 20:13.31 | Matsy | oh. |
| 20:14.14 | Fisker- | yes i can nevcairiel |
| 20:15.40 | Pwntang | can someone help me please? It shouldn't take long |
| 20:16.38 | zenzelezz | you should rather tell us what you need help with |
| 20:17.07 | Pwntang | I have been, but my questions are being ignored lol |
| 20:17.13 | zenzelezz | no |
| 20:17.23 | zenzelezz | if you don't get an answer, people either don't know, or aren't present |
| 20:17.47 | Pwntang | either way, I'm having some difficulties with my scroll frame |
| 20:18.03 | Pwntang | all of the text is black and I cannot seem to use any method to change the colour |
| 20:18.16 | Pwntang | at least, I don't know the right way of changing the color |
| 20:18.21 | Coren{de} | or people simply don't know and would've to research for an answer themselves... |
| 20:19.15 | Coren{de} | you could try to embed a color in your text: "|cFFFFFF00This is yellow.|r" |
| 20:19.45 | Pwntang | I'm using 'getglobal("LootLogEntry"..line):SetText(lootlog[lineplusoffset])' to set the text within the scroll frame which is working fine |
| 20:20.25 | Pwntang | but when I try to use getglobal("LootLogEntry"..line):SetTextColor(255, 255, 255) it produces an error |
| 20:20.49 | zenzelezz | which error? |
| 20:21.28 | Pwntang | hold on, I'll reproduce and tell you what it is..... |
| 20:21.41 | Coren{de} | which kind of frame is your LootLogEntry*? |
| 20:21.56 | zenzelezz | *always* tell people the error text instead of saying "it gives an error" :) |
| 20:22.45 | Cide | if one gets an error on a line like that |
| 20:22.49 | Pwntang | thanks for the tip |
| 20:24.05 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Button_SetTextColor has a comment, that the error is to be expected: "Note that button:SetTextColor was deleted in 3.0. To set the button text color, you need to set the button font object, then get a copy of it, then modify the color of the new object and then assign the copy back to the button." |
| 20:26.24 | Pwntang | Attempt to call method 'SetTextColor' a nill value |
| 20:27.09 | Pwntang | can I set the font color within the template? |
| 20:27.56 | Pwntang | Coren: that sounds like the problem I'm having |
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| 20:31.29 | Coren{de} | the comment suggests this snippet: |
| 20:31.31 | Coren{de} | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.32 | Coren{de} | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.34 | Coren{de} | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.25 | Pwntang | okay, getting somewhere now (thanks very much) |
| 20:36.41 | Pwntang | I'm getting a different error on this line......font:SetTextColor(1, 255, 255, 255) |
| 20:36.51 | Pwntang | attempt to call local font (a nil value) |
| 20:37.13 | Pwntang | attempt to index local font, sorry |
| 20:38.30 | zenzelezz | <Pwntang> Attempt to call method 'SetTextColor' a nill value <--- whenever you get an error like that, it means you should go to wowprogramming.com or wowwiki and check what the function you're trying to find is actually called |
| 20:39.49 | Coren{de} | hm, from that error it looks like your button *has* no fontobject... did you define or inherit no font? |
| 20:40.48 | Coren{de} | in the XML of your button or the button/frame you inherit from, is there something like: <NormalFont style="GameFontNormal"/> ? |
| 20:41.56 | Pwntang | <NormalFont style="QuestFont"/> |
| 20:42.15 | Pwntang | it's in the button it inherits from |
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| 20:44.32 | dardack__ | yawn |
| 20:44.49 | Coren{de} | well, QuestFont seems to be well defined (as black, actually)... out of ideas now :| |
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| 20:46.01 | dardack___ | freaking another ghost |
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| 20:46.09 | Pwntang | I'm nearly there. All the text within my scroll frame is now white, but each time I scroll I get the "attempt to index local font" error |
| 20:46.46 | dardack___ | is there a way to kick a ghost nick from irc.freenode.net? |
| 20:47.00 | zenzelezz | /ns ghost password |
| 20:47.15 | zenzelezz | + nick first perhaps |
| 20:47.38 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.44 | alestane | IIRC. |
| 20:47.48 | dardack | thanks |
| 20:48.10 | Coren{de} | Pwntang, you could test the font before using it, i.e.: local font = button:GetNormalFontObject(); if (font ~= nil) then ... |
| 20:48.38 | zenzelezz | alestane: I think many IRC clients support aliases like /ns and /cs now (if they're not direct commands on some networks) |
| 20:49.17 | Pwntang | I'll give that a try.....one sec..... |
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| 20:53.32 | Pwntang | that has worked, thanks! |
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| 20:54.15 | Pwntang | can any of that be set within the template? |
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| 20:55.21 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 20:56.46 | Coren{de} | you can inherit your own font and there you can set the colors... <Font name="MyAddOnsWonderfulFont" inherits="QuestFont" virtual="true"><Color r="1.0" g="1.0" b="0"/></Font> and use this instead of QuestFont |
| 20:56.59 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, you are correct, it just wasnt clear that i could set it to any level |
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| 20:58.55 | DWSR | Looking for an addon that will allow me to rearrange all of the minimap buttons that I have to anywhere on the screen, not just attached to the minimap. Anyone know such an addon? |
| 20:59.09 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, what about my other suggestion? |
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| 20:59.25 | Pwntang | u can set justification using that also? |
| 20:59.56 | Coren{de} | Pwntang, look at http://wowcompares.com/3129901/FrameXML/FontStyles.xml :) |
| 21:01.09 | Coren{de} | especially AchievementDescriptionFont looks nice there :D |
| 21:02.01 | DWSR | anyone? |
| 21:02.23 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, most wont be freeflowing |
| 21:02.41 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 21:03.15 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, most addons wont be for freeflowing minimap buttons |
| 21:03.41 | Thunder_Child | but for containers |
| 21:03.55 | Pwntang | okay guys, you've been most helpful. I've achieved what I set out to achieve |
| 21:04.00 | Pwntang | thanks very much for your time |
| 21:04.10 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: That's alright. Chinchilla almost does what I want, but it doesn't work with custom minimap buttons and also isn't working with GroupCalendar's button. |
| 21:04.23 | foxlit | teehee, "There can be only one Prince of Darkness" ads are still on TV |
| 21:05.17 | DWSR | foxlit: They're still awesome. |
| 21:05.20 | Matsy | Yeah, LOL |
| 21:05.22 | DWSR | SHAARRONNN!!! |
| 21:05.42 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Do you have any suggestions? |
| 21:06.26 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, i use Minimap Button Frame, but thats more of a box you can move anywhere than an addon that lets you move them anywhere |
| 21:06.43 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: That'll work. Any other suggestions? |
| 21:07.19 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, not really, i havent used anything else in so long that i forgot :( |
| 21:07.50 | zenzelezz | I used to heard of Detached Minimap Buttons or something like that, no idea if it's updated/works |
| 21:07.54 | zenzelezz | *hear |
| 21:08.04 | DWSR | not updated. |
| 21:10.06 | Matsy | The hell. |
| 21:10.15 | Matsy | :( |
| 21:15.56 | Qzot | Any hunters here? |
| 21:16.34 | zenzelezz | occasionally |
| 21:19.20 | Qzot | I'm hacking together a tiny mod to alert hunters near full and empty mana. Audio alerts. Need suggestions for two sounds that would be good warnings. |
| 21:22.42 | zenzelezz | could use the "the ship is here" sound for one of them |
| 21:25.45 | Matsy | Since when do hunters get low on mana |
| 21:25.46 | Matsy | ;o |
| 21:26.06 | zenzelezz | hunters who DPS properly can |
| 21:27.16 | zenzelezz | or maybe it was those won't don't. At any rate, some can |
| 21:27.32 | Matsy | Yeah ;p |
| 21:27.35 | Matsy | I was just fooling around. |
| 21:28.50 | zenzelezz | if I was making an addon like that for myself, I'd probably use boss emote sounds |
| 21:29.07 | zenzelezz | full mana? "The time has come, the moment is at hand" |
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| 21:29.58 | zenzelezz | low mana, perhaps "I want this nightmare to be over" |
| 21:30.15 | Coren{de} | high mana: "Sound\\Creature\\HoundmasterLoksey\\HoundmasterLokseyAggro01.wav" :) |
| 21:30.27 | zenzelezz | "Release the hounds!" ? |
| 21:30.40 | Coren{de} | Yeah... for hunters it seems fitting. ~ |
| 21:30.51 | zenzelezz | yeah =) |
| 21:34.08 | Qzot | Hmm. |
| 21:34.21 | Qzot | For hunters, but it's supposed to be a warning to switch aspects. |
| 21:34.34 | Qzot | Unless it's dead on, I'd prefer to avoid speech. |
| 21:34.56 | zenzelezz | I still think the "ding ding" from when boats arrives at the dock is a decent sound for either low or high mana |
| 21:35.05 | zenzelezz | short, noticable |
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| 21:35.36 | Qzot | Seems like a good choice. Maybe for high mana ... "you've arrived". |
| 21:35.52 | Qzot | I'm tempted to do raid warning for low mana. |
| 21:36.12 | zenzelezz | raid warning sound? |
| 21:36.24 | foxlit | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson77.html |
| 21:40.47 | Qzot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.20 | zenzelezz | Qzot: yeah, decent sound. Just wondered if you mean the sound or an actual raid warning :-p |
| 21:41.25 | zenzelezz | seemed a bit excessive if it was the latter |
| 21:41.44 | Qzot | The sound. |
| 21:41.48 | Qzot | Hunter's machine only. |
| 21:42.00 | Qzot | But it's a sound you've been trained to pay attention to. |
| 21:42.14 | Pwntang | thanks again for your help guys. See you again |
| 21:43.57 | Qzot | Gah. Can't find the "ding ding". And now I want it. |
| 21:44.57 | Qzot | Alternatives: LEVELUP |
| 21:48.03 | Qzot | Alternatives: PVPENTERQUEUE |
| 21:50.59 | msou| | Hmm, can you guys tell me from where I can get the helmet |
| 21:51.10 | msou| | I just got out of naxx or the very first time and I won the lost vanquisher |
| 21:51.17 | zenzelezz | what class are you? |
| 21:51.21 | msou| | dunno where to go with it... is it by the WG thing |
| 21:51.22 | msou| | Dk |
| 21:51.27 | zenzelezz | then try the blacksmith |
| 21:51.34 | zenzelezz | think all the plate vendors are there |
| 21:51.41 | zenzelezz | (in Dalaran) |
| 21:51.42 | msou| | I am there checking the dwarf and the woman beside him |
| 21:51.49 | msou| | neither of them have the lost vanquisher |
| 21:51.53 | msou| | Yes |
| 21:52.21 | msou| | And the bank is next to it... I just checked both and neither of them have helmet of the losrt vanquisher |
| 21:52.52 | msou| | conqueror and valorous are the only ones |
| 21:53.11 | NightHawkTheSane | you're not looking hard enough, most likely |
| 21:53.19 | zenzelezz | msou|: what's the full name of the item? |
| 21:53.28 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty sure your vendor is Griselda Something at the blacksmith |
| 21:53.37 | msou| | Helm of the lost vanquisher |
| 21:53.58 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: I am, checked the dwarf, the woman and the other dude who has to item "held off hand" |
| 21:54.10 | zenzelezz | msou|: again, Griselda Hunderland in the blacksmith |
| 21:54.15 | zenzelezz | you sure you talked to her? |
| 21:54.31 | msou| | I did, she has ' |
| 21:54.41 | msou| | heroes scourgebone helmet |
| 21:54.50 | msou| | and valorous scourgebone |
| 21:54.56 | msou| | faceguard |
| 21:55.02 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 21:55.14 | zenzelezz | and which item does it say they cost if you examine the window? |
| 21:55.19 | msou| | hrm, I can choose either of them with the item I got? |
| 21:55.30 | NightHawkTheSane | you should learn to read more tooltips |
| 21:55.32 | msou| | it does say 5G |
| 21:56.00 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: It is my first time in Naxx and never got a loot like this before... except buying ones and that was easier |
| 21:56.07 | zenzelezz | msou|: usually you can choose between a tank and a DPS item (if you're such a class), or tank/DPS/heal, whatever is appropriate for your class |
| 21:56.11 | tlund | simpleMinimap has been abandoned by its author and the current version causes taint that makes the vehiclebar not appear when you enter a vechicle in combat :( does anyone have any replacements to recommend? I used more or less all of the features in SMM :( |
| 21:56.32 | Matsy | Fix it? |
| 21:56.33 | Matsy | ;p |
| 21:56.39 | msou| | zenzelezz: I see, well I am DPS but the thing I wanted to understand is whether I can choose between the two or not |
| 21:56.39 | zenzelezz | msou|: so look at the items which cost 1 [Helm of the Lost Vanquisher] and determine which item is appropriate to your role |
| 21:56.52 | msou| | k let me check |
| 21:57.10 | NightHawkTheSane | all the information you need is readily available in game, you just need to read it |
| 21:57.20 | Matsy | What spec are you? |
| 21:57.26 | zenzelezz | msou|: it's like any other vendor, yes, you pick any that costs that item. Then, if you get the [Helm of the Lost Vanquisher] again at a later time, you can get the other - or if you want, the same again |
| 21:57.26 | msou| | Unholy |
| 21:57.28 | msou| | Dps |
| 21:57.32 | Matsy | Okay |
| 21:58.00 | msou| | zenzelezz: I see.. cause from heroics I did but and traded with her |
| 21:58.03 | Matsy | The NPC that sells it is |
| 21:58.05 | msou| | the gloves and vest |
| 21:58.07 | Matsy | Griselda Hunderland. |
| 21:58.18 | Matsy | And, the item is called: Heroes' Scourgeborne Helmet. |
| 21:58.21 | msou| | Yes I'm checking which one I should pick and go enchant it right away |
| 21:58.32 | msou| | Matsy: was checking the other one |
| 21:58.38 | Matsy | That's def. |
| 21:58.41 | msou| | Valorous |
| 21:58.43 | msou| | Hmm |
| 21:58.58 | msou| | Right |
| 21:59.20 | Matsy | You can only get the Tank / DPS version. |
| 21:59.32 | Matsy | Which would either be Heroe's Scourgebone Faceguard, or the other one. |
| 21:59.40 | Matsy | Heroes' |
| 21:59.57 | msou| | And that valourus is from another drop? |
| 22:00.27 | Matsy | Haha, yes. |
| 22:00.32 | Matsy | That's Ulduar-level gear. |
| 22:00.36 | msou| | Right, it costs crown of the something |
| 22:00.38 | msou| | Oh I see |
| 22:00.52 | msou| | So ulduar Valo and naxx lost vanq |
| 22:01.01 | NightHawkTheSane | valorious is either naxx-25 or ulduar-10, actually |
| 22:01.09 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on wether its t7 or t8 |
| 22:01.25 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 22:01.28 | Matsy | You're right. |
| 22:01.45 | Matsy | If you see: Crown of the Lost... items, it's Naxx 25. |
| 22:01.47 | msou| | I am missing the shoulders, legs only =) |
| 22:01.54 | Matsy | If you see Crown of the Wayward.. items, it's Ulduar. |
| 22:02.12 | Matsy | .. of the Wayward... is better, even :< |
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| 22:02.22 | msou| | let me check what's it called |
| 22:02.50 | msou| | calorous scourgeborne faceguard |
| 22:03.07 | msou| | from the dwarf next to her valorous darkruned helmet |
| 22:03.17 | Matsy | Oh |
| 22:03.20 | Matsy | Those are Heroic Naxx items. |
| 22:03.31 | msou| | Sweet so now I know =) |
| 22:03.32 | Matsy | That certain piece is dropped by Kel'Thuzad. |
| 22:04.15 | Matsy | But for now |
| 22:04.18 | Matsy | Sleepy time <3 |
| 22:04.27 | msou| | need to go enchant the helmet from ebon blade |
| 22:04.32 | msou| | Sleep tight and thanks for the info |
| 22:04.37 | msou| | thanks zenzelezz =) |
| 22:05.02 | zenzelezz | np, hope I wasn't too confusing :-p |
| 22:05.06 | msou| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.23 | msou| | hehe no =) |
| 22:05.45 | msou| | I still have time to sell it again so :P |
| 22:06.08 | msou| | going to buy the enchant and go back to dala and double checl |
| 22:06.10 | msou| | check |
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| 22:06.29 | msou| | I'm happy about the achievements so I can poke anyone who ask for them now :/ |
| 22:06.31 | Etanol | what's up with wow? :> |
| 22:06.34 | msou| | was really annoyed by that |
| 22:06.56 | zenzelezz | Etanol: ? |
| 22:07.10 | Etanol | I've not logged in for 2 months |
| 22:07.13 | Etanol | anything new at all? |
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| 22:08.42 | msou| | I actually rolled for two helmet in naxx |
| 22:08.48 | msou| | won them both |
| 22:09.22 | msou| | death's bite drops only naxx25 in'it? |
| 22:09.22 | VonhintenHOME` | Additional instances cannot be launched... |
| 22:09.55 | VonhintenHOME` | How is this still a problem? How many dollars a month of profit do you need to correct a problem like lack of resource to launch instances |
| 22:10.03 | VonhintenHOME` | How many programmers does it take to make it work... seriously |
| 22:10.39 | Grum | its just a design issue |
| 22:10.45 | nevcairiel | go rant somewhere else |
| 22:10.46 | Grum | each player can spawn 5 instances |
| 22:10.46 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:11.17 | Grum | that all ahve to be remembered for at least 30 minutes (completely) and upto (but not limited to) 1 day bosswise |
| 22:11.29 | nevcairiel | Its funny how you first say it lacks resources and then say you need programmers .. so its either a resource issue, or a code issue, but both? get a clue :P |
| 22:11.43 | NightHawkTheSane | VonhintenHOME`: they've actually solved it already, but they don't fix it because they like seeing idiots whine :P |
| 22:12.03 | Grum | yeah i get paid if i send them logs like this |
| 22:12.09 | Arrowmaster | Grum: i left an instance and couldnt get back into it 10 minutes later, they drop the 30 minute saving when they need to |
| 22:12.14 | Grum | $25 <3 VonhintenHOME` |
| 22:12.14 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm not claiming I know what the problem is Nev, I'm just asking the question, if it's either one of those problems, what does it take to fix it |
| 22:12.19 | NightHawkTheSane | your only recourse is to cancel your account! show them no mercy! |
| 22:12.29 | Grum | Arrowmaster: yeah they do but that is only when people hit the limit afaik |
| 22:12.50 | Grum | VonhintenHOME`: a design change |
| 22:13.02 | Grum | the second you create a new instance it is lost |
| 22:13.09 | Grum | but that only works if you were the only one to ever go in it |
| 22:13.15 | NightHawkTheSane | fun fact: throwing money at a problem rarely ever is the solution :P |
| 22:13.17 | Grum | it would still be remembered for your party |
| 22:13.25 | Grum | no money would solve this problem |
| 22:13.30 | Grum | just buy twice the amount of servers |
| 22:13.35 | Grum | but meh |
| 22:14.00 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not a solution, just a band aid until it happens again |
| 22:14.14 | Grum | then you double the servers again, you gave unlimited money :P |
| 22:14.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i never said that ;) i merely said that throwing money at it isn't a solution |
| 22:15.05 | Grum | it is |
| 22:15.08 | Grum | just not a permanent one |
| 22:15.38 | Etanol | no |
| 22:15.52 | Etanol | why would it even be a temporary solution? |
| 22:16.05 | Etanol | there's alot of work involved in upgrading hardware |
| 22:16.09 | Grum | not really |
| 22:16.14 | Grum | why would they upgrade? |
| 22:16.22 | Grum | they can just add to the cluster |
| 22:16.27 | Etanol | add what? |
| 22:16.32 | Grum | more boxes |
| 22:16.39 | Etanol | = ? |
| 22:16.56 | nevcairiel | grum also assumes so much about their setup |
| 22:16.56 | Grum | more clue for you! |
| 22:17.09 | Grum | cmon blizz has to have a scalable setup |
| 22:17.23 | Grum | how else can they handle this many people? :) |
| 22:17.44 | Coren{de} | I'd be inclined to agree with Grum.. they are most likely not having *one* server per instance per source-server per faction, so given unlimited money to waste... |
| 22:19.22 | nevcairiel | well at least every world server has to effectively run on one server, or you would have to synchronize loads of shit between subzones (without loading screen) |
| 22:19.41 | Coren{de} | sure, but the world servers are not the bottleneck here, are they? |
| 22:19.51 | nevcairiel | they are quite often |
| 22:20.01 | nevcairiel | because they have no player limit |
| 22:21.21 | Coren{de} | that sounds illogical. the moment a group walks into an instance, they should be loaded onto that instance server and the world server should not have to remember them until they wipe or leave the instance server again, so the more people in instances = less people on world servers |
| 22:21.38 | nevcairiel | world servers still lag alot |
| 22:22.12 | Coren{de} | I admit, as a pvp hater, I don't care about WG lag at all... :> |
| 22:22.16 | nevcairiel | i've never had to wait more then 2 minutes for an instance, and since they lowered the limit the lag was (nearly) gone |
| 22:22.48 | nevcairiel | imho they should set the limit a bit lower again, so we don't lag on ulduar raids on wednesdays anymore |
| 22:24.21 | Coren{de} | I wonder if they could make weekly resets per source-server on the instance servers... the "omg, instance is open, must be lemming and raid today" behaviour is just not doing any good to the poor instance servers |
| 22:24.56 | nevcairiel | if we were raid less days, we would skip wednesdays |
| 22:25.19 | nevcairiel | but since we raid 5 days, and don't want to on friday/saturday, we cant :p |
| 22:25.42 | zenzelezz | I don't think when an instance resets has much to do with when people raid it. Most guilds just have set raid days because that fits their members' schedules |
| 22:26.12 | nevcairiel | meh most pug random idiot guilds run directly after reset, still |
| 22:26.34 | Grum | from what you can deduct, chat and landmasses are seperate clusers |
| 22:26.48 | Grum | obviously they have one big fatass oracle cluster sharing all data |
| 22:26.54 | Etanol | -_- |
| 22:26.54 | Coren{de} | zenzelezz, I am merely extrapolating from what I see in the LFG channel :) I'll never see any statistics about it, so I can only go by that perception |
| 22:27.23 | Etanol | Grum: no, they are running a win2k extreme edition server with access database and a Windows Table monitoring solution |
| 22:27.30 | Etanol | from what I can deduct |
| 22:29.07 | nevcairiel | anyone that even trys to guess how its setup is probably 100% wrong =P |
| 22:29.08 | Grum | not really |
| 22:29.08 | Grum | outland or kalimdor or northrend can go offline |
| 22:29.08 | Coren{de} | hehe... well, not 100%, they are still using *computers*, you know... ;p |
| 22:29.08 | Grum | or even Dalaran or Stormwind |
| 22:29.08 | nevcairiel | subzones can't go offline |
| 22:29.11 | nevcairiel | only continents |
| 22:29.11 | Grum | chat almost always works (except whispers) when the servers crash |
| 22:29.13 | Grum | yeah |
| 22:29.56 | Etanol | I stand corrected |
| 22:30.17 | nevcairiel | the overall agreement is that there are single servers for the continents, and an unspecified number of servers for instances (which might be shared in battle groups), and then the bg/arena servers |
| 22:30.22 | Coren{de} | I doubt that the petty chat traffic shows even up in statistics... voice chat + BossMods have basically eliminated typing |
| 22:30.38 | Grum | voice is also a seperate service |
| 22:30.39 | nevcairiel | anything that goes over that is just pure and total speculation |
| 22:32.13 | zenzelezz | I think the time the chat server sees the heaviest load is when the instance servers lock up |
| 22:32.26 | zenzelezz | "[1. General - Naxxramas] ..." x 100/sec |
| 22:32.39 | nevcairiel | thats why i leave the general chat |
| 22:33.38 | Coren{de} | that's 1100 bytes/sec. for the chat server(s)... that could be pushed over a 28k modem :> |
| 22:33.57 | zenzelezz | I was joking |
| 22:34.14 | zenzelezz | but you must remember that the chat server has to relay the message to every subscribed player |
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| 22:35.46 | Etanol | and also it has to relay addon communication and have constant communication with the world/npc server |
| 22:38.17 | Coren{de} | I continue to believe that one chat server per "real" server is sufficient :) |
| 22:38.55 | zenzelezz | I agree with that, although I don't know enough about how Blizzard has implemented things to say anything for sure |
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| 22:50.50 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, also it isnt working as far as i can tell. "/qh level +4" dosnt filter it properly |
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| 23:28.49 | Wobin | hm, Minion update fail =( |
| 23:29.01 | Cairenn | rut ruh |
| 23:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: launched with the windows shortcut? |
| 23:29.15 | Wobin | aye |
| 23:29.20 | ScytheBlade1 | edit the shortcut |
| 23:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | set the working directory to match |
| 23:29.26 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 23:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | then it'll work |
| 23:29.29 | Wobin | hokay |
| 23:30.08 | Wobin | woot |
| 23:30.38 | Wobin | although, what'd be nice is either a link to go to the module centre from the update notice, or a direct 'update now' link |
| 23:31.20 | Wobin | ... I've never installed "Am Dead"... I don't think |
| 23:32.50 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, nope, it was a mismatch |
| 23:33.00 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, ticket 109 |
| 23:33.46 | Gnarfoz | dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda <-- will make sda contain what sdb contains, right? |
| 23:33.50 | Gnarfoz | including boot sectors, MBR and all? |
| 23:33.56 | Thunder_Child | nor does the updater close when finished |
| 23:37.30 | Wobin | hm |
| 23:37.50 | Wobin | there's no way to find precisely -what- addon the mismatched ones are actually pointing to, is there? |
| 23:38.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 23:38.25 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: ok, on to destroy my server, then *g* |
| 23:38.36 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, yes |
| 23:38.46 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, 'get info' |
| 23:38.54 | Thunder_Child | points to what it will download |
| 23:39.40 | Wobin | but not what folder it's reading to -get- the incorrect info from |
| 23:39.52 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 23:39.56 | Wobin | if I say "Hey I didn't download that *click uninstall*" what will it uninstall? |
| 23:40.33 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, the name of the addon in minion is what it is trying to match, it may or may not match that, and 'get info' is what it will be dl'ing |
| 23:40.33 | Wobin | like CC's "Addon Folder" link |
| 23:41.05 | Stanzilla | that's interesting, Mr. Minion http://i39.tinypic.com/hu1sie.png |
| 23:41.14 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: hm, I see |
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| 23:59.00 | Shirik | ohi |
| 23:59.30 | Cairenn | hai2u |
