IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090529

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00:12.40gparentHey, where are calls like GetContainerItemInfo(bagID, slot) defined
00:12.53gparentMy addon isn't working and I'm trying to check whether or not the WoWWiki page is outdated or not
00:13.04gparentis outdated.*
00:14.53alestaneThere is no definitive public reference. WoWWiki and WoWProgramming.com are both publicly maintained. But you can look at the stock UI code (extracted with the UI kit or viewed at wowcompares.com) to see how the built-in UI uses the function and whether or not your use is consistent with it.
00:15.09gparentOkay.
00:15.11gparentThanls
00:15.15gparent-l+k
00:15.34gparentFor some reason the item quality returned by GetContainerItemInfo is dubious...
00:15.38gparentI'll have to check further
00:15.49alestaneThat said, they're both usually pretty well maintained, and GetContainerItemInfo is a pretty stable function.
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00:17.22gparentWell the WoWWiki page *is* out of date, however the return values are still in the same order they were before, there's just more.
00:17.29gparentAnyway, time to raid.
00:17.36gparentThanks for the wowprogramming link
00:17.50bleetahbnet still sending account registered legal names out in plaintext... /sigh
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00:19.46Adysbleetah: ping
00:20.07bleetahAdys: pong, but coffee has priority over you so you may have to wait a few :P
00:20.11Legorolbleetah: speaking of which, did you merge your EU account?
00:20.18Adysbleetah: (03:19:09 AM) Adys: ask bleeter he's good at paranoia-stuff
00:20.21bleetahLegorol: I don't have an EU account
00:20.29Legorolbleetah: then i was thinking of someone else
00:20.37bleetahLegorol: more than likely ;)
00:21.07bleetahAdys: who's asking me what? my irssi idling account is dead atm
00:21.31Adysbleetah: nothing was just pasting you some msn log :P
00:21.39Adysgtalk actually
00:21.46bleetahoh, haha.. fair 'nuff then mate :)
00:22.14bleetahleast I can get back to coffee
00:22.19bleetahon the subject of which...
00:22.37bleetahAdys, Legorol and others who are awake: http://www.milliways.fr/2009/05/19/gpg-transition-29c0ffee/
00:23.29bleetah(taking inspiration from that, mate of mine, former sysadmin of local supercomputer is trying to get us some time so we can get our own C0FFEE GPG keys)
00:24.06AdysUPDATE: Come on guys. Of course I followed basic key management rules. The clusters which generated the actual final keys were under my direct control and the particular slice which generated this published key is on my desk.
00:24.15AdysYou found a whole community of Yous, bleetah !
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00:46.45Nechcknrofl  " You found a whole community of Yous, bleetah !"  sounds like it, eh?  =)
00:53.20gparentCan somebody test GetContainerItemInfo(bagID, slot) for me? I'm getting grays returning -1 (not quest items either)
00:53.26gparentFor quality I mean
00:53.38gparentGreens are returning 2 instead of 3, based on the WoWprogramming page
00:56.02Adysits more likely you're giving a wrong slot id
00:56.30Adysgetcontaineriteminfo just looks up the slot and returns getiteminfo
00:56.49Adysmaybe you got an addon messing with grey items
00:58.10ScytheBlade1Wow, java PropertyResourceBundles can only handle base ASCII, and all UTF-8 has to be escaped?
00:58.13ScytheBlade1That's retarded
00:58.50gparentI'm using the link to confirm the ID
00:59.01gparentIt's definitely the right item, I'll try without addons once the raid is done though.
01:00.10Adysgparent: loop it through every container
01:00.35gparentAlso I'm using this right now: http://codepad.org/LuOeaIHA
01:00.39gparentFor the test function
01:00.49gparentLet me try another container
01:01.37gparentSame results.
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01:06.43bleetahbtw folks
01:06.54bleetahapparently you can double loot the champion's purse
01:07.10bleetahprolly not a good idea to try to replicate, though.. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367601063&sid=1
01:07.10Adysnot only those
01:07.20Adysyou can double loot pretty much anything in gamer
01:07.21Adys-r
01:08.31bleetahAdys: yeah, sometime's i've convinced myself of that, other times I'm not so sure lol
01:09.10bleetahanyways, coffee calls again.. toodles
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01:09.24Adyswho leaves IRC to have coffee?
01:13.19Cairennapparently bleetah
01:15.03Cralor`anyone familiar with Portfolio?
01:15.30Cralor`Adys: it's an excuse! :P
01:17.52Cralor`no one? :(
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01:33.37NM|Xinhuan!api GetCoinText
01:33.37lua_botGetCoinText: Returns a localized string describing an amount of money (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCoinText)
01:34.12Xinhuan!api GetMoney
01:34.12lua_botGetMoney: Return the amount of money the player currently possesses. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMoney)
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02:03.44Adyswhen did youtube add animated thumbnails?
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02:06.29Thunder_Childwhen they made flexible displays
02:10.27Adyshttp://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=46052 is that an algalon drop?
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02:24.28Thunder_ChildAs seen on the Ensidia downing of 10-man Algalon
02:24.28Thunder_ChildThis item begins a quest: http://www.ensidia.com/media/upload/news/2009/05/18/alg10.jpg
02:24.28Thunder_ChildLast edited by
02:24.36Thunder_Child~fail Thunder_Child
02:24.37purlThunder_Child: FAIL!
02:24.41Thunder_ChildAdys ^
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02:25.57Adyscheers
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02:56.13mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/bshit/oliver.jpg
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02:59.15Thunder_Childthat is so insensitive
02:59.52mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/bshit/finnish_ghostbusters.jpg
02:59.59mikmaperson behind the text is a retard
03:06.16Thunder_Childagreed
03:06.35Thunder_Childboth in style and grammar
03:07.33mikmaand the meaning
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03:30.20batrickhttp://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=kangaroo_kicks_tourist_into_lake.flv
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04:03.45WobinThe PS22 chorus is pretty damn good
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04:05.31ZootfizzleHey Shirik
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04:05.54Guest86617er, wtf?
04:05.56Guest86617what did I just do
04:05.58Guest86617Shirik's been on this whole time?
04:06.00ZootfizzleI don't know
04:06.02Guest86617Oh! I'm logged on at work still >.>
04:06.06ZootfizzleYeah.
04:06.10ZootfizzleStop freaking the channel out
04:06.17Sargeraspokes Dolby
04:06.20Zootfizzle:P
04:06.28*** mode/#wowuidev [-o Guest31745] by Shirik
04:06.58Sargerashugs Cairenn
04:07.00ZootfizzleAnyway, grats on Minion!
04:07.03Shirikhugs Zootfizzle
04:07.07Cairennhugs Sargeras
04:07.08*** kick/#WoWUIDev [Sargeras!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by Dolby (Dolby)
04:07.13Shirikeh, it needs some work
04:07.27mikmabuhbye sargeras
04:08.09ZootfizzleI'm not sure what to say in response to that other than I figured you would say it no matter what because you're a good programmer.
04:09.13Zootfizzle:P
04:09.22mikmashirik: dumb, "thanks zoot" would have been better
04:09.37Shirik?
04:09.52Shirikwell, thanks Zootfizzle
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04:09.57Zootfizzlecries
04:10.06ZootfizzleNo, it's too late to appreciate my grats
04:10.09Shirik:(
04:10.20ShirikI appreciate it, I just don't really think it's warranted right now :/
04:10.53CairennI certainly do think it is
04:10.55Shirikon the bright side, there really is only one major issue that's out there
04:10.57Shirikthat is the addon detection
04:11.37ZootfizzleWhy don't you think it's warranted?
04:11.58Shiriktoo many bug reports :)
04:12.23Shirikof course, 1 is too many in my opinion
04:12.27ShirikI think Insitu's already brainwashed me
04:13.24mikmaah, but you got the support of community
04:13.47Shirikand now that mikma can install he's happy too ^_^
04:14.06ZootfizzleHeh, Shirik
04:14.22ShirikI just wish I wasn't working 10-11 hour days this week, I'd be able to get a bit more work done on this
04:14.24ZootfizzleLet's just say I take issue with the premise that volume of bug reports == lack of quality
04:14.25mikmashirik: sure, but i dont use minion to update my addons ;)
04:14.36ZootfizzleFor personal reasons ~_~
04:15.03ZootfizzleI think it's great
04:15.05ZootfizzleAnyways, later folks!
04:15.13mikmathathaa
04:15.15Shirikbye Zootfizzle
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04:16.57mikmashirik: half of the reports are just addon mismatches anyway
04:17.23Shirikyeah
04:19.09mikmashirik: oh, minion lacks the feedback of updating? like (adding new folder XYZ from addon foo)
04:19.39Shirikit should tell you what it's extracting
04:19.50Shirikbut it probably goes too fast
04:20.07Shirikor do you mean in log files?
04:20.25mikmafeedback on screen.. why?
04:20.51mikmawife was pretty upset cause basic auctioneer was replaced by extreme version
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04:20.54Shirikfor the same reason routers with flashing lights sell better than ones that don't
04:21.17DolbyI like the blinky lights
04:21.19Shirikmaybe I'm misunderstanding you
04:21.19Shirikwhat do you want
04:21.52Shirikbtw there was a paper written on the fact that routers with 5 blinking lights sell better than ones with just "power" on them (home user routers)
04:22.04Shirikinteresting psychology behind it
04:22.10mikmashirik: the basic version has like 6 folders. the superduper one in wowi has 20 folders =D
04:22.25Shirikis the basic one available on wowi?
04:22.38mikmadont think so
04:23.10mikmaso she got enchantrix + beancounter + other stuff with the auctioneer
04:23.35mikmawasnt happy about it cause the superauctioneer is looking different too hehe
04:24.13mikmaoh
04:24.37mikmashe has baudgear from curse and minion instgalled baugbag from wowi =D
04:26.24ShirikYeah I think here's the problem
04:26.33ShirikI have some regex here, where is it
04:27.26Shirikok this is really ugly, but
04:27.26Shirikpublic static final String TOKENIZER_PATTERN = "[ \\t-,:;\\.\\(\\)\\[\\]\\-\\\\\\/]+";
04:27.35ShirikThat's what I use to split up the folder names
04:27.40Shirikand then
04:28.00mikmayou should just ask cairenn and dolby to force people use resonable addon names + filenames etc xD
04:28.32mikmahate stuff like "OMG cool (beta) v2 [fan update]
04:29.14Shirikpublic static final Pattern CHILD_PATTERN = Pattern.compile("^(?:([^_\\-]+?)[\\-_](.*))|(?:([^A-Za-z]*?[^a-z][a-z]+)([^a-z].*))|(?:(.+))$");
04:29.19Shirikthat's the other one
04:29.35Shirikbasically all those do is split things into tokens, like BaudGear becomes Baud, Gear
04:29.53Shirikthe problem comes in when BaudGear is not available on wowi
04:29.54mikmaregex master shirik, lets give him some golf-applauds!
04:30.05ShirikSo it starts looking for the best match
04:30.11ShirikBaudBag has the same token "Baud"
04:30.33ShirikWhat I'm looking at doing is enforcing that more than 50% of tokens must be present
04:30.43mikma"exact match not found, install (this one) instead?"
04:30.45ShirikI think that will eliminate a lot of the problems, because they all seem to be one-token matches
04:30.56Shirikyou'd be surprised how frequent that would be, mikma
04:31.00Shirikit would be way too unfriendly
04:31.07mikmaoh, hehe
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04:31.26mikmahence why they should force the naming to be proper
04:31.30ArrowmasterShirik: my router has 8 leds, what does that say about me
04:32.17Shirikand mikma
04:32.27ShirikI really wish I could show you some of the regexes I've written for work
04:32.29Shirikhahaha
04:32.34Shirikthose are works of art
04:33.06mikmado i need to find the "i know regex" xcsomething comic now?
04:33.20Shirikawesome comic
04:33.23Shirik*PERL!*
04:33.30mikma\o/
04:33.30NightHawkTheSan1tekkub: ping?
04:33.31Arrowmasterthe i know perl xkcd comic
04:33.52Arrowmasteri finally converted my nick highlight in mirc to use regex
04:34.08tekkubeh?
04:34.14mikmaoh yeah? rrowmaste a
04:34.24mikmaa=!
04:34.27NightHawkTheSan1buffet doesn't do anything other than health/mana, right? no energy/rage? :P
04:34.47mikmalol wut
04:35.06mikmatheres a plugin in wowi for something
04:35.17Arrowmasteri have "^arrow.*" "[^\w-]arrow.*" as regex matches, then "arrowmaster*,tokrim*" as non regex
04:35.22mikmamight not be for rage/energy
04:35.30tekkubno because there's like only a handful of those
04:35.32Arrowmasteri got tired of shit like friendly-arrow triggering my highlight
04:35.51mikmatokrim?
04:36.01NightHawkTheSan1*nod* thought so, just asking to be sure
04:36.05Arrowmastermy mains name in wow
04:36.11NightHawkTheSan1hasn't actually played a non-mana-user in ages..
04:36.26mikmanighthawkthesan1: only 1 item for runic power in wow =/
04:36.30WobinDK?
04:36.47NightHawkTheSan1okay, excepting dk. :P
04:36.52mikmaand you cant get that shit after you leave startarea
04:36.54NightHawkTheSan1i dont count them, b ecause they're stinky.
04:37.11ShirikDoes anyone know what ALLVARLIG means?
04:37.23ShirikI have no idea what language it is
04:37.25mikma~allvarlig
04:37.41Shirikpurl doesn't know; we're screwed
04:37.42mikmasounds swedish / norwegian
04:38.27NightHawkTheSan1http://lmgtfy.com/?q=allvarlig
04:38.28mikmashirik: swedish, "serious"
04:38.43Shirikf google
04:39.01Shirikthat requires bandwidth
04:39.01NightHawkTheSan1~lart Shirik
04:39.01purlwhacks Shirik upside the head
04:39.01Shirikwhich I have a distinct lack of right now
04:39.05Shirikit's hard enough just to run the bugtracker right now
04:39.49mikmaallvarlig. serious; needing great attention; without humour.
04:41.34Shirikwithout humor?
04:41.36Shiriklol
04:41.41Shirikapparently that's what my log file is putting out
04:41.55mikmaone humorless log
04:42.21ShirikI figured based on context it looked like it was "SEVERE" but I just wanted to make sure
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04:43.45mikmashirik: Why so ALLVARLIG? Lets put a smile on that face!
04:44.03Shirikcries at all the duplicate reports
04:44.17Shirikthere's only two issues, you would think people could take the extra 2 seconds to look
04:45.07Thunder_Childhey, mine was first!
04:45.14mikmai feel you pain, cause i felt like that too when i checked the list
04:45.42mikmai mean c'mon, 3 different reports for the "thing" i had
04:45.57Shirik"thing"
04:46.10Antiarc<PROTECTED>
04:46.11mikmacan't call it a bug
04:46.11AntiarcAny ideas?
04:46.29mikmaantiarc: boot wow compleely
04:46.38Shiriklike seriously, my bug tracker jumps from like #70 to #110, where they start showing "New"
04:46.40Antiarcmikma: That fixes it, but this is a recurring problem
04:46.41Shirikthat's how many issues I've closed
04:46.43AntiarcI'm very tired of it.
04:46.44Shirikresolved issues don't disappear
04:47.13mikmaantiarc: i have had the same problem in pvp. i blame grid.
04:47.27AntiarcThis is happening on my rogue without grid enabled
04:48.02mikmapop me a list of your addons somewhere
04:48.11mikmalets compare!
04:48.13ShirikAntiarc: Causes every addon to stop receiving the events?
04:48.16ShirikThat doesn't seem possible
04:48.21Shirikyou're using COMBAT_LOG_UNFILTERED right?
04:48.30AntiarcShirik: Yes, all the CLEUs stop firing
04:48.45Shirikwtf did you do to your computer
04:48.45AntiarcMy DPS meters don't work, my combat log has nothing in it, Grim Reaper doesn't have anything, Eavesdrop doesn't have anything
04:49.02AntiarcI don't know. It feels like a Blizzard bug but I can't figure out what's tripping it.
04:49.06Shirik"Warning: OP player detected. Attempting to make game more difficult"
04:49.09mikmathats really annoying bug in wow i must admit
04:49.44AntiarcIt's excessively irritating.
04:49.45mikmamy personal best is 2x dead combatlog in same day
04:50.23Thunder_ChildAntiarc, move the wtf folder and see if it works again
04:50.36mikmathunder_child: rebooting game makes it work
04:50.36PrimerAnyone know if there's a slash command I could use to remove a beneficial spell?
04:50.52mikmaprimer: /camp
04:51.01Thunder_Childmikma, hardly a solution
04:51.06Primerwhat does that do, btw?
04:51.11PrimerI keep seeing people suggest that
04:51.16Wobinlogs you out
04:51.23mikmathunder_child: its the only thing that helps
04:51.24PrimerWhy?
04:51.30Wobin...why not?
04:51.54Thunder_Childmikma, removing the wtf folder doesnt solve it?
04:51.55Wobinbecause you go 'camping' at the spot?
04:52.09mikmathunder_child: the combatlog stays dead until you completely restart the game
04:52.22Shirikwhy would someone mark an issue private...
04:52.34Thunder_Childmikma, so, move the wtf folder....log in....it's not there
04:52.36WobinInappropriate Minion Touching?
04:52.48mikmathunder_child: but you dont need to delete wtf
04:52.54mikmaplain restart helps
04:52.56ShirikI could undersatnd if it were a security issue
04:52.57Shirikbut it's not
04:53.20CodayusParanoia, caused by way too many bong hits while in college?
04:53.26ShirikIf someone had already found a hole in my security model I would probably have shot myself
04:53.26Thunder_Childffs mikma 'helps' is not a solution. and i didnt say delete
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04:53.39mikmathunder_child: delete/remove
04:53.46Thunder_ChildMOVE!
04:54.00Thunder_Childremove == delete
04:54.01mikmathunder_child: same deal, its gone
04:54.17Thunder_Childright, but that would tell you if it is a addon or the base game no?
04:54.19mikmaalso, useless step caused the combatlog will work again
04:55.03mikmaunless you are talking about:
04:55.18AntiarcWell
04:55.19mikmalogout to charmenu, delete wtf, login to see result
04:55.25Thunder_Child1 sec ignis
04:55.27AntiarcAddons can't cause CLEU to stop firing
04:55.32AntiarcSo it's a Blizzard bug
04:55.37AntiarcBut I suspect it's being triggered by an addon
04:56.08mikmaantiarc: well, link me your addon list and i tell you do we share same addons
04:56.24Thunder_Childbinary search
04:57.33Antiarcyeah see
04:57.37AntiarcI can reproduce it like once a day
04:57.50mikmawith pvp?
04:57.51AntiarcI do actually know how to debug reproducable problems
04:57.56AntiarcI'm in Ulduar ATM
04:58.23Antiarcmikma: http://pastie.org/493607
04:59.02Antiarcwait
04:59.04AntiarcThat's a partial list
04:59.04Antiarcwtf
05:00.45Antiarchttp://pastie.org/493609
05:00.45AntiarcThere
05:03.46Thunder_Childhmm..i think ignis got harder...go figure
05:05.26mikmaantiarc: IDCard, Ludwig, Clique, Grid, Mapster, MSBT+Options, TinyTip+Options, TomTom (gathermate+data/routes/swatter/stubby/slidebar/auc-stuff/afflicted/gladius)
05:05.41AntiarcLudwig is new, that's not it
05:05.45mikmaantiarc: those i have and stuff in ( ) are what i had
05:05.48AntiarcMSBT perhaps, it started after I installed that
05:06.11Endit's not MSB
05:06.12mikmaerr, tinytip -> ( ) now, replaced it with ranttooltip
05:06.12EndT
05:06.14Endit's not MSBT
05:06.26Endunless it's MSBT -or- Parrot
05:06.45AntiarcThis happend with Grid off, so we can eliminate that.
05:06.58mikmathay are both pretty dependant of CLEU?
05:07.01EndI don't think it's an AddOn, personally
05:07.13AntiarcI think an addon might be tripping a Blizzard bug
05:07.20AntiarcElse everyone would have this
05:07.20Endwell
05:07.26Endkeep in mind...
05:07.42mikmacan something taint the event?
05:07.43Ender, what, nvm, it affects CLE
05:08.06AntiarcI don't think you can taint events
05:08.09mikma= can events be tainted?
05:08.16EndI don't see how
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05:09.23mikmai always did play pvp with gathermate+routes+auctioneer stuff disabled
05:10.04Thunder_Childi have auct disabled on all chars but my bank anyway..seems silly otherwise
05:10.17Thunder_Child.me mutters somthing about a damn tooltip he cant get rid of
05:10.21Thunder_Child:(
05:10.28Shirikmikma where did your report disappear to
05:10.55mikmashirik: humm last time i checked you changed it to grey
05:11.04Shirikdid I link it to something else?
05:11.51ShirikI like the "hand that smacks you" option, Thunder_Child
05:12.00mikmashirik: yeah, into 2 other same posts
05:12.17Shirikknow where? >.>
05:12.41mikmamoment, login
05:12.52mikmahttp://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=56
05:14.08Shirik<3 you
05:15.12mikmaapparently that solution is helping others just fine
05:15.31mikmaonly the x64 guy has problems and i bet hes doing it wrong
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05:17.26Thunder_ChildShirik, hmm?
05:17.39Shirikyou posted some feature suggestion
05:17.45Shirikwith an option of "slap in face"
05:17.49Thunder_Childoh yes
05:17.54Thunder_Childwell it would work
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05:21.23NechcknThunder_Child  what tooltip entry could you not find to disable?
05:21.35Nechcknsomething from Aucitoneer or a different AddOn?
05:21.41mikmashirik: oh man, i'm so sorry for you, that bug tracker will drive you near insane at so e point
05:22.13Shirikit's approaching a managable point
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05:22.47mikmathe whole site is cool tho
05:23.00mikmalove aall the logs at the bottom of pages
05:23.18Thunder_ChildNechckn, the one from auctioneer
05:23.53ShirikI have one problem with it
05:23.56Nechcknwell, under the main Auctioneer options, general, I believe- there is an option to only show the TT if Alt is held
05:24.10Shirikany time I do something, it takes me to a page "The operation has been completed successfully" and THEN back to the report
05:24.12Nechcknthe same goes for Enchantrix and BeanCounter, if you use the Suite
05:24.16ShirikI want to eliminate that page in the middle
05:24.36Nechcknyou can also disable all of the individual stats and such
05:24.49NechcknIs there any, in particular, you cannot find?
05:25.56mikmaoh lol
05:25.57Thunder_Childi will have to check it out the next time i has it enabled
05:26.11mikmaperfect way of sending love letters for shirik!
05:26.25mikmacreate private bug reports
05:26.40NechcknThunder_Child  give me a ping when you do, happy to help out.
05:26.51Shirik?
05:27.01Thunder_ChildNechckn, will do, and ty
05:27.06ShirikI will make public anything that's not a security issue; I've already said that :)
05:27.21mikmanoes! not our loveletters!
05:27.41NechcknThunder_Child  btw, it is under General for the "Only show Auctioneer's tooltip if Alt is held"  that's the wording... but anywhoo.. just say the word.
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05:41.17Shirikso like
05:41.32Shirikwe had a discussion a while ago that /tmp is on a separate filesystem
05:41.32Shirikwhy is that?
05:42.10tekkub*sigh* hulu desktop looks pretty damn nice... fonts are a tad small and I can't turn them up larger...
05:42.16tekkubuntil I try to watch a video
05:42.20tekkubthen it shits itself
05:42.30tekkubback to bittorrent!
05:44.54AdysShirik: eeehhh?
05:45.03Shirik?
05:45.07batrickShirik: so you don't fill up the filesystem with crap.
05:45.07Adysabout /tmp
05:45.21batrickIt could criple the system in many ways.
05:45.22Shirikis that all batrick?
05:45.40Adysbatrick: /tmp is the most organized place in my entire harddrive...
05:45.44batrickIt also makes it hard to make sym/hard links via the web to large files.
05:45.44ShirikI was expecting a cooler reason, like /tmp is a ramdisk or something
05:46.03batricks/via/for/
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05:46.57batrickUsually though, mounting /tmp as another partition is purely to protect the system from running out of disk space.
05:47.19Adyssecurity reasons too
05:47.46batrickI'm not aware of any security reasons. Care to explain?
05:48.15Shirikyou already named one
05:48.24Adysall kind of shit can end up in /tmp
05:48.25ShirikThat's a potential DoS vulnerability
05:48.37IrielIf you mount it with stuff like setuid disabled
05:48.38Shirikas even the most restricted programs are often granted access to temp folders
05:48.39Shirikincluding Minion modules
05:49.08Adyslike right now
05:49.26AdysI got the contents of a compressed folder in /tmp
05:49.59Adyswhich i opened a while back
05:50.18Adysit could have been an encrypted file, here it is safe and pure plaintext
05:50.31batrickI was hoping for something else as a "Security Reason", but ya whatever
05:50.54Adysi named one
05:51.05Adysif you were hoping for another you already have another :P
05:51.11batrick:P
05:52.16Adysand ROFL
05:52.20AdysBing Is Not Google
05:52.23Adysthats just brilliant
05:52.40IrielBlatant rip off of PINE tho
05:53.12Adysis that another emulator that claims off its own purpose?
05:53.21IrielPine is not elm
05:54.13AdysI'm gonna create an acronym search engine
05:54.22Shirikyou mean acronymfinder.com?
05:54.32Adysfor open source projects
05:54.41Adyssearch for every fucking recursive acronym
05:54.48Adysand see how many X is not Y turn up
05:55.20AdysHowever, one of its original authors, Laurence Lundblade, insists this was never the case and that it started off simply as a word and not an acronym, and that his first choice of a backronym for pine would be "Pine Is Nearly Elm". Over time it was changed by the university to mean Program for Internet News and E-mail.
05:55.41Iriel101 in /usr/dict/words
05:55.44Shirikrofl
05:55.53Shirikmt
05:56.07Irieljinx is one
05:56.14Irieland king
05:56.17Iriellots of fun words
05:56.38IrielTiny Is Not Yourmomma?
05:56.38Fisker-am raging
05:56.56IrielAnd on that note, i'm off to sleep.
05:57.04Adysjinx
05:57.13Endnight Iriel
05:57.18Adysis that a failed attempt at a display server
05:57.23IrielIt could be
05:57.30Irielor Jinx is not xemacs
05:57.38Adysor xchat
05:57.42Adysor xwhateverthefuck
05:57.47Adystheres as many of x* as gn*
06:00.18Shirikand K*
06:00.20Shirikdon't forget K*
06:00.44Adysyea whatever
06:00.55Adyswhen kde4 gets stable enough ill switch
06:00.59Adysfor now, dont have time
06:01.03Wobinhm
06:01.04Shirikit seems pretty stable for me
06:01.06ShirikI love it
06:01.10WobinI wonder how well Bing does -outside- of the US
06:01.13Adyssorry, didnt mean kde4
06:01.18Adysmeant kubuntu
06:01.22Shirikah
06:01.47WobinI see it's marketing itself not as a 'search engine' but as a 'decision engine'
06:02.08Adysyeah and thats total bullshit
06:02.08Shiriknight all
06:02.17Adysits stuff google and yahoo have been doing for years
06:02.19Adysnight shishi
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06:09.53Matsy;o
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06:30.07Thunder_Childshakes fist at Shirik
06:30.12Thunder_ChildGet back here!
06:32.38MatsyLol! ;p
06:32.44MatsyWhy'd you need Shirik
06:32.48MatsyHe's sleeping :(
06:32.53MatsyOr something like that
06:33.34Thunder_Childbecause he closed a ticket of mine
06:33.38MatsyWhich one?
06:33.40Thunder_Child*shakes fist*
06:33.52Thunder_Childhttp://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=58
06:34.07Thunder_Childi found an addon with a perfect version mach in the toc
06:34.08MatsyYes ;p
06:34.10MatsyI saw that one.
06:34.13Thunder_Childwith divverent version
06:34.16Thunder_Childdifferent*
06:34.44Thunder_Childso i need to bitch at him now...with aproperiate SS ofc
06:35.13MatsyHis reply is correct, though ;o
06:35.21Thunder_Childnope
06:35.27MatsyWhat do you call it then?
06:35.32Thunder_Childthe version number style was a perfect match
06:35.39MatsyThat means it's a bug, right?
06:35.44Thunder_Childyes
06:35.49Matsy<PROTECTED>
06:35.49Matsy1. The version numbers don't match well enough
06:35.49Matsy2. The file needed to be downloaded for other reasons (for example, to confirm suspicions about children)
06:35.49Matsy3. There's a bug
06:35.49Matsy<PROTECTED>
06:36.03MatsyPoint 3 pretty much sums that up ;p
06:36.20MatsyDo you have anything in your logfile at all?
06:36.23MatsyAbout the issue?
06:36.29Thunder_Child1 sec, thorim
06:40.46Fisker-rage?
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06:54.47DagmarInteresting
06:55.15DagmarSeems like the minion picked a few addons it thought I needed on it's own
06:55.17DagmarWhee
06:55.30Cairennknown problem
06:55.42DagmarKinda cool tho as bugs go
06:55.48Cairennnot really
06:55.55Cairennkinda annoying more like it
06:55.57DagmarI was like "What the hell are these unit frames?  They look smooth enough..."
06:56.20Dagmar...and I would have never seen the original deathknight unit frame if it wasn't for that.  :)
06:56.53Cairennlol
07:00.05Fisker-rages
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07:12.34zenziohttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/05/28/funny-pictures-my-naem-is-aw/
07:13.56Wobinrofl
07:14.00Wobinsocute
07:19.24Wobinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OQ3xmNvt1g&feature=related
07:19.27WobinBEEP BEEP
07:20.25MatsyHmm.
07:21.10Wobinthe background dancers look like they trained on DDR
07:22.37HjalteLet's all do the bicycle!
07:22.48Hjaltegoes down on his knees.
07:22.49WobinBEEPBEEPBEEP
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07:23.52MatsyWooo
07:23.58MatsyI removed the ads <3
07:29.59WobinMatsy, are you hacking Minion? =P
07:30.05MatsyYesh
07:30.17Fisker-reported
07:30.22Fisker-filthy leech
07:30.25MatsySo fast? ;p
07:30.31MatsyEh, Fisker
07:30.38MatsyI'm merely doing this so I can understand how Minion works.
07:30.42MatsyTo help with the bugs.
07:30.43Wobinare you actually hacking the code, or proxying the adserver?
07:30.48MatsyHacking the code.
07:31.41MatsyUsing in-line code redirects always does the job
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07:36.06Thunder_Childanyway Matsy, i forgot that it was a feature request i put in
07:36.10Thunder_Childnot a bug report
07:36.18MatsyWell
07:36.23MatsyBecause the feature already exists
07:36.28MatsyAnd apparently, it's not working for you.
07:36.34MatsyThat makes it a bug. ;o
07:36.46MatsyHow did Thorim go, anyway? ;p
07:36.57Thunder_Childright, and i forgot that i put the ticket in as a feature, not a bug
07:37.02Thunder_Childthats why i was arguing
07:37.05MatsyOh, yesh.
07:37.09Thunder_Childwe wiped...many times
07:37.14Matsy:(
07:37.18MatsyI was wondering what took you so long already
07:39.03MatsyBleh
07:39.06MatsySchool time, I suppose.
07:39.18MatsyBack in 40 minutes ;p
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08:36.45Mats_Hey ;p
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09:40.39dibriIs there a way to make an action bar with a plugin without overwriting the previously saved buttons on the actionbars
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09:41.39Kasodibri, yes, you can make your own secureactionbar buttons which cast whichever spells and aren't connected to the real action bars
09:41.47Kasobut its more work
09:42.05dibriKaso: is there a way to backup the current action bars and just use those then?
09:42.16dibriand restore when logging out ofcourse :)
09:42.29Kasothere's a way to do that as well
09:42.51KasoDepending on what you're looking for, making your own bars would be a more "correct" solution
09:42.52dibricould you give me some hints for the latter as that seems easier :)
09:43.06Kasobut with the Actionbar methods its pretty easy to scan and replace etc
09:43.23dibriKaso: I'm trying to multibox, but I don't want my actionbars to change for when I dont multibox :P
09:44.15Kasohttp://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Action_Functions
09:44.37Kasohttp://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Action_Functions
09:44.57Kasothose two sets of functions will basically give you everything you need to play with/change what's on the action bars
09:45.18Kasomaybe might need some bag/inventory functions too if you have items from their on your action bars
09:46.13KasoBut before you go writing something bespoke, i'd check out existing action bar mods, i'm sure there must be some out there that allow you to create non-actionbar actionbars
09:46.19Kasoif that makes any sense..
09:46.40dibritwo sets? :P they're the same link :P
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09:48.22dibriKaso: with the amount of addons available I think it will take me longer to read all the descriptions than to just backup the actionbars, replace em, play, logout and restore :P
09:48.50dibriI'm just worried about what will happen if WoW Crashes
09:49.44Kasothe second link was supposed to be http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Spell_Functions
09:50.06Kasobasically what you need to do is itterate over the actionbar slots, recording what is in them all
09:51.04Kasothen when you need to replace, you pick up whatever spell/item with PickupSpell or PickupContainerItem or PickupInventoryItem and then use PlaceAction(slot)
09:51.56dibriKaso: And if WoW crashes I'm screwed? :P
09:52.07dibrisince "restore" won't take place
09:52.32Kasowell im sure there would be some way to analyse the current state and recover for crashes like
09:52.37Kaso*that
09:52.46KasoBut as i said earlier, this is hardly the "correct" solution
09:52.50dibriI saw a "BackupMacros", but apparently it doesnt do what I want :)
09:53.21dibriKaso: Got links for the "correct" solution", ie making my own actionbar?
09:53.21Kasolet me try and understand the problem exactly though
09:53.28KasoYah one sec
09:53.40KasoWhen you multi-box how is it that things need to be different
09:54.04dibriKaso: Keybindings will be different and I want different spells/macros
09:54.26Kasohmm i see
09:54.50dibriBasically what you would get if you had two players playing on the same account
09:55.03dibrithey both have their own "style" sorta
09:55.20KasoIm pretty sure some actionbar mod out there will have an option to switch between different modes of layouts, like if a player wanted a "healing" and "damage" layout, seems a fairly common problem that people'd come across
09:55.51Kasodibri, to make actionbars, basically you just need to make a bunch of http://www.wowwiki.com/SecureActionButtonTemplate
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09:56.41KasoThen you'd bind them to keys using http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Binding_Functions
09:57.13dibriseems doable :)
09:57.53dibribut I haven't studied how frames etc work yet :)
09:58.12dibrionly made an addon which works on slashcommands :)
09:58.44KasoThe difficult bit is usually all the meta-stuff that surrounds an action bar mod, how you change, configure, modify the action bars. However if you were hard-coding it all for you i guess you could make it fairly simple
09:59.28KasoBut i'll still recommend spending a chunk of timing looking at existing mods, I'm not really sure of the current field of action bar mods, but this seems like something that might be out there
09:59.36Kasoyou dont want to try and re-invent the wheel
09:59.48Kasohttp://www.wowwiki.com/SecureTemplates#SecureActionButtonTemplate
09:59.51Kasomore info there too
10:00.41dibriKaso: ever seen a programmer that doesn't think reinventing the wheel is a good idea? :P or at least doing so even if he doesnt think its a good idea :P
10:00.52Kasotrue, true
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10:03.29Arrowmasterwell ususally when you reinvent the wheel its not round at first
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10:03.58dibriI assume .lua has access to the "buttons" by name described in the .xml? as in myButton:SetAttribute("type", "action") vs <Button name="myButton"></Button>
10:04.01WobinAh, but the programmer has to learn about when reinventing the wheel is necessary
10:04.10dibriArrowmaster: triangle wheels are great for a first try ^^
10:04.24Mats_Arrowmaster
10:04.30zenzioit's not that every programmer feels that rewriting the wheel is necessary; many just take interesting in knowing how the wheel works
10:04.33dibriI dont think one can make wheels which are less round than that :P
10:04.34Mats_I've never heard that one.
10:04.40Matsy:D
10:05.12dibriwell, 2 dots would make a stick, so that would be a really bad wheel...
10:05.30dibriNot even the flinstones have such wheels :P
10:06.50Wobinwell
10:06.58Wobinthey used 'sticks' well before wheels
10:07.03Wobinwhere stick == sled blade
10:07.59dibriWobin: haha, I meant as working like wheels :P
10:08.43dibriWobin: - \ | / -   <- like this
10:09.07dibriassuming the rotary point is in the middle of the line :)
10:10.16Wobinthat's a silly assumption
10:10.23Wobinthat's coming from the viewpoint of already knowing a wheel
10:10.57Arrowmasteri should have just kept my mouth shut
10:11.51dibriWobin: What's wrong with that assumption? We already *do* know the wheel don't we? And yet we try to reinvent
10:12.02dibriArrowmaster: Isn't this better than idling ;)
10:12.37Wobinwell no, we're talking about before the wheel was invented
10:13.28dibriWobin: oow, I thought we were talking about the programmers who were reinventing the wheel knowing it already existed :
10:13.38dibriapologizes
10:13.53dibrigoes to google what anchorpoint does
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10:24.54dibriCan one specify a sibling's reference point as anchor?
10:25.01dibriin the wiki I only see references to the parent
10:25.05nevcairielyou can
10:25.14nevcairielas long as you don't build a circular dependency
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11:03.30Wobingrah
11:03.37WobinHorde -need- a fp in WPL
11:08.02Fisker-your mom
11:08.10Fisker-http://starcraft.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2387 <-lol'd btw
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12:01.47Wobinhttp://notalwaysright.com/desperate-for-dessert/2018
12:01.48Wobin><
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12:25.22zenziotickles Lopeppeppy
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12:37.56foxlit"Size: 17.10 MB" << And I thought Ace was heavy.
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12:38.30zenziofoxlit: what's that?
12:38.44foxlitI'll tell you once it actually downloads.
12:38.55zenzioO_o
12:39.02zenzioyou don't know what you're downloading?
12:39.10foxlitIt's presumably an addon
12:39.38foxlitwoo, mp3s
12:40.20foxlithttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13641-SuperMarioWorldofWarcraft.html
12:40.37zenzioo_O
12:41.59Lopeppeppy*giggle*  Boop boop boop!
12:46.09Fisker-reported
12:46.21LopeppeppyFor booping?
12:46.28Fisker-copyright violation
12:46.28Fisker-:3
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12:58.00Aelobinis massacre > berserking for pvp?
12:58.05Aelobin(talking DK here :P)
12:59.49alestaneThis is too cute for words...this kid is pretty amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0_1CTzMFEo
13:01.13LopeppeppyNo cute!  Cute is deadly.
13:07.34foxlit"99 point 99 percent... that's repeating, of course"
13:08.07foxlitsilly console, clearly = 100.
13:08.23Lopeppeppy1 = 2
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13:09.34Elkanoonly for large 1s and small 2s
13:09.47krkai have a large 1
13:09.50Lopeppeppy*snark*
13:09.54krkanot sure about the small 2
13:10.35foxlithttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/generic/60f5/ << On me.
13:10.51foxlitAlthough I kind of wish they'd skip the caption.
13:10.51LopeppeppyI seriously want to buy their whole wardrobe.
13:11.20Fisker-my 2 are large
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13:20.36Wobinhm
13:20.46Wobinrandom swedish (or finnish) mail
13:20.47WobinNi har självklart er plats från i fjor kvar K 1. Vi ser fram emot en ny härlig uke. Mvh IFK Åmål / Bengt-Åke
13:21.14foxlitYeah, well, bork to you too.
13:22.28Coren{de}I think finnish is rather onesentenceintoonewordwithnobreaks-like... so I'd guess swedish
13:23.45Kalroth"Of course you have your spot from last year. We're looking forward to a new delightful week. Yours truely IFK(??) Aaeal / Bengt-Aake"
13:24.42p3limWobin: its swedish
13:24.58Wobinthank you =)
13:25.02p3limÅmål is a place in sweden
13:25.10p3limIFK is a football club or something
13:25.16WobinI suspect it's someone sending a confirmation mail
13:25.21WobinI wish they wouldn't use my email =P
13:25.31KalrothAh, that's what it said. I can't see the unicode characters here, so I was guessing :)
13:25.39p3limunicode?
13:25.44p3limæøå ;D
13:25.49KalrothEveryone knows Fucking Åmål!
13:25.53p3lim:)
13:26.05Kalrothyeah, what Wobin pasted had unicode or at least UTF8 characters
13:26.23WobinThe subject was "Bluescamping"
13:26.26Coren{de}would've fit into some iso-8859 set
13:26.35KalrothNope Coren
13:26.44KalrothI use 8859-15
13:26.50p3limä?
13:26.51Kalrothand it's garbled here
13:26.56p3limits swedish for Å
13:27.02Kalrothp3lim: works fine when you type it
13:27.04Kalrothnot when Wobin does
13:27.05nevcairieldepends how wobin sent it
13:27.07p3limpronounced as "AH"
13:27.10p3lim(almost)
13:27.19WobinI just copypasta'd
13:27.24p3limi saw what wobin wrote just fine
13:27.34nevcairielwas probably utf8
13:27.42p3limthough my OS/IRC client supports any char set
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13:28.03KalrothTry to paste it again, please
13:28.20Coren{de}Ni har självklart er plats från i fjor kvar K 1. Vi ser fram emot en ny härlig uke. Mvh IFK Åmål / Bengt-Åke
13:28.25KalrothWorks now :)
13:28.35KalrothI switched to UTF-8
13:28.38Coren{de}Chatzilla, also UTF8 I think
13:28.49KalrothDoes æøåÆØÅ look "normal" to others?
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13:28.58Coren{de}yep
13:29.09Coren{de}well, it looks all weird, but in a normal weird way... ;)
13:29.23KalrothHence I quoted it :p
13:29.34Coren{de}ae as-one, o crossed, a circle etc.
13:30.05Coren{de}äöüßÄÖÜ!
13:30.17Kalrothsilly germans!
13:30.30p3limwoah
13:30.39Coren{de}pff. eéèê
13:30.43p3limthe wow commercial just aired on my local tv channel
13:30.49p3limnever seen that before
13:31.37Coren{de}don't know how to combine ,c or "e :(
13:32.06Kalrothëê?
13:32.23Kalrothć too!
13:32.34Coren{de}yeah, the first one... for Citrô"en
13:32.50p3limlol
13:32.52KalrothĆôrêń
13:33.01Coren{de}c-accent at the bottom (c with cedille, for ,ca)
13:33.02p3limlooking at the minimum requirements to play wow
13:33.27ScytheBlade1wtf is this
13:33.33ScytheBlade1"seven a m"
13:33.42dardackp3lim: which one?
13:33.44Kalroth7am?
13:33.47p3limIntel Pentium III 800mhz, half gig ram, 32mb screencard (GF2+)
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13:33.51ScytheBlade1It is strange and bright, I don't think I like it
13:33.54ScytheBlade1blinks
13:33.56Coren{de}lol
13:34.19Coren{de}I wanna see the person responsible for that add forced to walk around Dalaran 24h straith with that comp :>
13:34.22p3limI have AMD 64 3500+, 1 gig ram and a 7900 gt card, and I have major issues playing
13:34.47p3lim(yes I need an upgrade)
13:34.47dardack1gig of ram is the issue prolly p3lim
13:34.58p3limwell, that and the processor
13:35.06dardackcause i play on a similar setup (used to) and had 4 gigs and it ran great
13:35.09p3limusing the old ddr-ram type, its expensive as hell
13:35.09Coren{de}CPU's ok, most times memory is the far more relevant problem
13:35.20p3limcheaper to buy a new MB and new ram than upgrading
13:35.32dardackyea the cpu is fine, i mean a dual core of course would be better, but yea ram to me has always helped with wow
13:35.52dardackbut which wow commercial aired?
13:35.56p3limozzy
13:36.07Coren{de}CPU starts to become an issue with raids, but before that the second 0.5gb will do more than a quad/10GHz CPU :>
13:36.12p3limdardack: norwegian?
13:36.19dardacki love teh ozzy one
13:36.21dardackthe
13:36.48dardackno p3lim american/lebanese
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13:41.31p3limk
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13:44.27foxlitWonder what a "Necrocution" is
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13:49.31LopeppeppyKilled again after you're dead?
13:52.29Coren{de}killed by contact with dead
13:53.01foxlitso what are those gargoyles doing to my poor charger?
13:53.11LopeppeppyNom nom nom?
13:53.19Coren{de}they touch him inappropriately?
13:53.34foxlitevil!
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13:54.37Coren{de}only in so-called civilised areas... in the wild, touching is good and inappropriately evil ;>
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13:55.17foxlit"Strong Guy Sundering Thrust Aura" << Blizzard has an awesome spell naming conventions
13:57.02Coren{de}Cpt'n Obvious of the day: for 30% of the (German) women that were asked, job > relationship... more money to buy stuff > all :D
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13:59.40kneekiMorning everyone
13:59.53LopeppeppyMorning.
14:03.27foxlitI wonder if all (current) unit frame implementations behave properly around vehicles
14:05.02LopeppeppyProlly not.
14:05.30kneekifoxlit: Mine do not =\
14:05.45kneekiI've been meaning to fix them, but I've just not had the time
14:05.46foxlitany?
14:05.47foxlitmost? :)
14:06.04kneekiI use BLizzard unit frames + BUFX
14:06.11kneekiAnd those don't work right
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14:13.21kneekiIs there anything which appears above the PVP icon on the blizzard unit frames?
14:13.30kneekiI'm thinking of putting something there, but not sure if it will be over written
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14:21.06zenzelezzhttp://failblog.org/2009/05/28/valentines-card-fail/ o_O
14:22.31LopeppeppyAwwww.  How romantic.
14:23.14zenzelezzglances curiously at Lopeppeppy
14:24.03Lopeppeppy<PROTECTED>
14:24.03zenzelezzsuuure
14:24.03LopeppeppyLike today's xkcd
14:27.38ScytheBlade1http://failblog.org/2009/05/20/attempted-murder-fail/
14:27.40ScytheBlade1<PROTECTED>
14:27.59LopeppeppyThat's an old Snopes-worthy item.
14:28.10AntiarcMorning folks.
14:28.30AntiarcI have rude neighbors who decided that 6 AM was a good time to start moving furniture
14:28.36AntiarcSo I'm up and cranky.
14:28.36LopeppeppyHeya, Antiarc.  I have a shotgun!
14:29.01AntiarcI have an authentic scottish claymore that'd probably work!
14:29.08AntiarcThese people are so rude.
14:29.18AntiarcThey slam doors at all hours of the day and night, making the whole building shake
14:29.22ScytheBlade1My uncle has an old fashioned chinese pistol
14:29.34AntiarcThey do...all kinds of stuff. Like, everyone in the building can't stand them, and has complained about them
14:29.43AntiarcWe're hoping they're moving out but see little evidence of it.
14:30.21foxlitSecureCmdOptionParse is available in the restricted environment, right?
14:31.29nevcairielyes, foxlit
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14:32.09zenzelezz"Jesus Kristus added you as a friend on Facebook"...
14:32.13zenzelezzI have the weirdest co-workers
14:32.21LopeppeppyGod is on your side, zenzelezz!
14:32.34nevcairielyou're weird for using facebook already
14:32.56zenzelezza hot girl I met in Anarchy Online wanted me to
14:33.18nevcairielhot girls on the internet are old fat man
14:33.36zenzelezzyou guys who keep saying so clearly haven't found the trick in identifying the real ones
14:34.08AntiarcFacebook is obscenely popular, heh.
14:34.10foxlitNamely: booze.
14:34.12Lopeppeppyis a gurl
14:34.13AntiarcMy mother joined before I did.
14:34.21nevcairielew antiarc too
14:34.27AntiarcNote that she's pretty much completely internet uneducated.
14:34.32AntiarcIN MY DEFENSE
14:34.41AntiarcI joined because I had to develop apps for it for work
14:34.44AntiarcAnd that's all I use it for
14:34.45zenzelezzthere's something about being the shy, peculiar guy in the guild that seems to attract the attention of girls
14:35.08nevcairielto bad that you wont get over the chatting-in-the-game state then =P
14:35.23LopeppeppyAntiarc, same sorta thing. I have to belong, for work.
14:35.34zenzelezznevcairiel: except I visited one of them in Australia last summer, and will again for four weeks this summer
14:35.43AntiarcMan, I really want a chat bridge out of WoW.
14:35.55AntiarcJust something I can use to develop an IRC channel for guild chat.
14:35.59nevcairiela girl on the other side of the world? i bet that will work out great in the long run :D
14:36.13AntiarcHow would it be abused? I mean, botters just use DLL hooks anyhow.
14:36.39zenzelezznevcairiel: we're just close friends. I don't entertain the idea of 7600 km relationships
14:37.45zenzelezzthat being said, I probably couldn't handle a .76 km relationship
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14:37.59MatsyG'day
14:40.16Antiarchttp://www.grabup.com/uploads/240ccede5360b093dbf298f8946025a5.png
14:40.25LopeppeppyMorning.
14:40.27AntiarcFirefox: Most popular search engine after Microsoft and Apple
14:40.30AntiarcTHANKS FOX NEWS
14:40.36zenzelezzlol
14:40.39LopeppeppyApple isn't a search engine.
14:40.59AntiarcNeither is Firefox or Microsoft. :V
14:41.05ScytheBlade1Fox news isn't a news station.
14:41.12AntiarcThis is true.
14:41.45Chompersi'm from the uk
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14:41.49Chompersis fox news real?
14:42.00Chompersor is it just a big joke you're playing on the world
14:42.08AntiarcOh no, it's real
14:42.09nicoli_sits just a hallucination
14:42.13nevcairielI only hear jokes about it in the simpsons =P
14:42.16Antiarchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6KMAm_228s is amazing.
14:42.23Matsy<PROTECTED>
14:42.24Matsy<PROTECTED>
14:42.26MatsyWhat.
14:42.31AntiarcMatsy: Where's that?
14:42.32nicoli_seww tree map
14:42.42MatsyIn Minion ;p
14:42.47nevcairielhaha
14:42.48MatsyIt's an Evil Addon!
14:42.52nevcairieli knew it
14:42.54ScytheBlade1What? Where?
14:42.56AntiarcMinion seems to misidentify a lot of addons
14:43.05MatsyIt's the only one there
14:43.08AntiarcWhich seems odd, since there's an effective UID in the folder name
14:43.09nicoli_syah, cuz of the way it uses the tocs
14:43.18nicoli_sthe curse client used to, till we switched to a hash based system
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14:43.29AntiarcI know, I wrote the hashing library >_>
14:43.44nicoli_sreally?
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14:44.02MatsyYeah
14:44.05AntiarcYeah, Kaelten gave me a pseudocode version of the algorithm and I implemented it as a C extension for Python
14:44.07MatsyIt's only used to parse the TOC data.
14:44.07foxlitnowai!
14:44.11AntiarcIt was for the server-side hashing
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14:44.23nicoli_sahh
14:44.26AntiarcIT ended up being something like 20,000 faster than the native Python version
14:44.32nicoli_snice
14:44.34MatsyOf course; p
14:44.38nicoli_spython ftl
14:44.43MatsyWell.
14:44.45MatsyPython has its uses.
14:44.50nevcairielPython > .net
14:44.52nevcairiel=P
14:44.52foxlitusing python's own crypto primitives?
14:44.53MatsyHashing isn't one of them, however.
14:44.59foxlit[assuming it has some]
14:45.00MatsyPython is WAY slower than .net
14:45.01Matsy;p
14:45.05AntiarcWell
14:45.08nevcairielits still way cooler
14:45.13MatsyI disagree! :(
14:45.15nicoli_sno way, .net is wayyyyy cooler
14:45.20MatsyThanks Nicoli!
14:45.24nevcairiel.net is the bottom of coolness
14:45.24AntiarcI'm a pretty big fan of Ruby, myself
14:45.24foxlit.not, surely.
14:45.27nevcairielits a microsoft thing
14:45.37nicoli_sand?
14:45.46nicoli_sits still fucking amazing to work with
14:45.50MatsyMicrosoft bashers here
14:45.51nevcairielso is python
14:45.52Matsy:<
14:45.55MatsyIt's made of win.
14:45.58nicoli_sin web development, in client app development, in most anything win related
14:46.04Matsy^
14:46.16AntiarcC# really is a pretty decent halfway point between something like C and interpreted languages.
14:46.19nicoli_snevcairiel, i disagree, i originally had to work with python for the web when i started at curse and hated it
14:46.35nevcairielI just bash it for web dev because it requires you to use a silly windows server and IIS
14:46.35AntiarcI'm a pretty big un-fan of ASP.NET, though I haven't worked with the MVC stuff
14:46.40AntiarcWebForms is made of fail and pain.
14:46.43nevcairiel(and now don't come with mono, it just doesnt work properly :P)
14:46.48Matsynevcairiel, What's the downside of that?
14:46.59nevcairielI can run python on like any platform out there
14:47.01nevcairieli can't with .net
14:47.04nevcairielsee the downside?
14:47.05MatsyYes.
14:47.08MatsyNot really
14:47.17nicoli_syes but that doesnt mean its better
14:47.22nicoli_sthats just one thing
14:47.33MatsyYou just have to make a decision
14:47.39MatsyWho wants to have anything web-based on Linux anyway
14:47.52nevcairielI want it on BSD, actually =P
14:47.53MatsyIt's like, "Oh yeah, I want to spend another 50 grand on maintenance"
14:47.59nicoli_si've worked with php/perl/python web deving, sql server + .net blows it out of the water
14:48.03AntiarcAre you serious, Matsy?
14:48.08nevcairielphp is just evil
14:48.09MatsyYes, I am.
14:48.13nevcairielruby and python are awesome
14:48.22Antiarcnicoli_s: You're comparing languages to frameworks, which is a little off-kilter
14:48.27Antiarc.net is a framework, PHP is a language.
14:48.40AntiarcMatsy: Well, I have something like 3 years uptime on my primary webserver
14:48.41MatsyWell.
14:48.45AntiarcI'd like to see a Windows machine do that :P
14:48.45MatsyC# is the main part of .NET
14:48.49AntiarcNo, not really
14:48.59MatsyAntiarc.
14:49.03AntiarcC# is one language that can use .NET assemblies :P
14:49.44nicoli_snot to mention all the awesome tools that are available to .net devs
14:49.55AntiarcIt's a rich development framework, I don't deny that
14:50.13nicoli_swhen i think of having to deal without my sql server mgmt studio i get scared
14:50.22MatsyEh, Antiarc
14:50.32MatsyThe only reason our windows servers have been down in the past 5 years
14:50.35MatsyIs for updates.
14:50.38AntiarcPrecisely.
14:50.55MatsyThey haven't ever crashed.
14:51.03AntiarcAnythign except a kernel patch doesn't require me to reboot. I can patch and be updated without any downtime, ever
14:51.06nevcairielLinux -> Update, restart service, done
14:51.12nevcairielWindows -> Reboot <.<
14:51.13MatsySame for Windows.
14:51.24AntiarcAnd I can administrate a Linux box much more effectively than a Windows box, so your argument about it inherently taking more time is just wrong :P
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14:51.32Matsy.. What.
14:51.35MatsyHow does that work?
14:51.37AntiarcMore time for you, maybe, but that's just a lack of administrative mojo
14:51.49nevcairielI prefer just changing two config files alot over a clicky-solution
14:51.50nicoli_swell i cant comment on things like adminning and upkeep as i luckily dont have to deal with all that shit
14:51.54nevcairielits alot faster
14:52.00MatsyAntiarc
14:52.12MatsyIs that because of the lack of experience in Windows systems?
14:52.18MatsyOr just because Linux is superiour in that way?
14:52.31AntiarcNo, I've been using Windows desktops all my life. I'm on Windows 7 on my workstation right now.
14:52.33MatsyBecause, it's really quite different for me.
14:52.34nevcairielMatsy: is it because of lack of your experience with Linux systems? =)
14:52.40MatsyYes
14:52.42MatsyIndeed.
14:52.49MatsyI don't have enough experience in Linux system.s
14:52.58MatsyAnd I haven't seen any reason why I'd need to get any.
14:53.06AntiarcBut I've also been using Linux servers for ~10 years, and it's so much easier to administrate a box for services in Linux than Windows, IMO. IIS drives me nuts.
14:53.09MatsyMy company solely works with Microsoft products.
14:53.17AntiarcOnce you know your way around, Linux administration is both easy and very fast.
14:53.22MatsyGuesst that's a matter of taste, Antiarc ;p
14:53.25AntiarcIndeed.
14:53.33MatsyI couldn't live without my daily IIS.
14:53.45nevcairielApache > IIS, any day for me =P
14:53.48AntiarcCheck out nginx sometime, you might be pleasantly surprised :P
14:54.01AntiarcIt's fast as hell.
14:54.03nevcairieland yeah, of course nginx for static content
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14:54.06MatsyBSD.
14:54.10MatsyWait.
14:54.19MatsyI believe the API server of Wowinterface uses nginx too?
14:54.19nicoli_si run my webserver off the iphone ftw
14:54.25AntiarcProbably
14:54.35MatsyI can't say I've ever worked with BSD.
14:54.51zenzelezzI don't like nginx. Too weird namer
14:54.53zenzelezz-r
14:55.00MatsyIn March 2007 about 20% of all Russian virtual hosts were served or proxied by nginx.
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14:55.01nevcairielBSD is just a different form of *nix
14:55.01AntiarcIt's Russian. :P
14:55.02Matsylolz warez sites.
14:55.15MatsyI know that much, nevcairiel.
14:55.20AntiarcWell, nginx is developed by a team of Russians, and all its native doc is in russian.
14:55.23AntiarcSo that makes sense.
14:55.28AntiarcI don't particularly care for the BSD flavor, but that's because I've been on Redhat distros for all my Linux life.
14:55.58nevcairielwonders if Antiarc owns an actual red hat
14:56.02MatsyIs there something like an ISA server on *nix based systems?
14:56.04AntiarcI...do, actually.
14:56.26AntiarcI'm not familiar with ISA as a product, but probably :P
14:56.33Antiarc(or it's been made unnecessary, one or the other)
14:56.43nevcairielI'm pretty sure you can build the functionality
14:56.56nevcairielOr use some solution that sits on the low-level components
14:56.58AntiarcIt's...a firewall?
14:57.01AntiarcWhich would just mean iptables
14:57.04MatsyAntiarc.
14:57.05MatsyNot really
14:57.09MatsyWell
14:57.10MatsyIt is a firewall.
14:57.16MatsyBut, it's far more too.
14:57.26nevcairieliptables can do anythign you want with a ip stack
14:57.27AntiarcGive me some examples
14:57.37MatsyUh.
14:57.55Antiarc"ISA 2006 is a stateful packet and application layer inspection firewall, virtual private network and web cache (both forward caching and reverse caching) server."
14:58.06MatsySome examples?
14:58.07AntiarcSo iptables and squid/varnish
14:58.27dardackmmmmiptables
14:58.33dardackfirehol
14:58.33MatsyIt doesn't do just that.
14:58.42AntiarcI'm just reading the wikipedia article :P
14:58.48MatsyIt opens up possibilities for application services too, such as Sharepoint.
14:58.52nevcairielISA also does share-point serving and load balancing
14:59.00Antiarchaproxy provides loadbalancing pretty trivially
14:59.02MatsyYeah.
14:59.04Antiarc(and it's fast as hell)
14:59.16nevcairielbut SharePoint is a windows thing, you probably dont need/want to run it when you run nix servers
14:59.30MatsyTrue.
14:59.37AntiarcI'm running haproxy on my web cluster gateway, couldn't be happier with it.
14:59.51MatsyBleh, that's one reason why I can't go to Unix ;p
15:00.00MatsySharepoint doesn't support it.
15:00.10MatsyAnd, since all my work has to do with Sharepoint, I'd be jobless.
15:00.26nevcairielIf all your company is microsoft stuff, you're kinda lost anyway =P
15:00.30LopeppeppyAFK lunchings
15:00.36MatsyWhat, why :(
15:00.40AntiarcMatsy: That's a perfectly good reason, heh
15:00.48nicoli_snevcairiel, the majority of curse stuff is ms
15:00.55AntiarcIf you're locked in to specific Microsoft technologies, of course it doesn't make sense to move away from that :)
15:00.56zenzelezzI was recently tasked with learning Sharepoint for my company :( It's a real mess when you just get install discs and no real instructions
15:01.02AntiarcAlthough
15:01.09nevcairielWell there isnt much of a point to run linux if all the apps you run require Wine to work then
15:01.10MatsyI'm not going to do anything with programming, later on.
15:01.11AntiarcThere is Alfresco, which is a "Sharepoint alternative" for Linux
15:01.30MatsyAlfresco is a CMS>
15:01.35MatsySharepoint isn't a CMS.
15:01.53MatsyBut, I'm checking it out.
15:01.58MatsyThe website looks good ;p
15:02.12Antiarchttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10004398-16.html
15:02.26AntiarcFull Sharepoint integration, supposedly *shrug*
15:02.29Matsy"Full sharepoint integration"
15:02.30MatsyWhat
15:02.40AntiarcHell if I know, I'm just reading the article :P
15:04.00MatsyAh
15:04.05MatsyThe article is biased.
15:04.13Antiarcheh, admittedly so
15:04.28Matsy:(
15:04.37MatsyI'd love to see some article on it, non-biased
15:04.44MatsyTo compare it with Sharepoint.
15:04.53AntiarcI'm sure there are lots :)
15:04.57MatsyWell
15:05.02MatsyI was looking for them.
15:05.05nevcairielunbiased articles are always rare
15:05.06Antiarcbut I'm feeding the kid and have only one hand free so I can't search atm
15:05.15MatsyLol, don't.
15:05.25MatsyI mean, don't search ;p
15:06.00MatsyAw man
15:06.02MatsyIt's Java.
15:06.14foxlitThey removed the old pet loyalty system entirely, right?
15:06.25MatsyI have to say, Java is horrible for Web Development.
15:06.31MatsyNo matter how good the product is.
15:06.52AntiarcThere are a LOT of high-volume enterprise sites that are done in Java
15:06.57MatsyI know.
15:07.04nevcairielI don't like it either personally, but alot of people do and do use it
15:07.15nevcairielAnd it seems to work out for them
15:07.16Antiarc(I'm not a fan of it, but it works for folks)
15:07.20MatsyYeah.
15:07.28MatsyI'm not a fan of it, is what I was trying to say ;p
15:07.38MatsyI'm a huge fan of Java.
15:07.45MatsyJust not the web-side of it ;p
15:07.49nevcairielI like it for gui apps
15:08.14nicoli_si always found myself devving gui apps afaster and easier with c#
15:08.29nevcairieland then a second time for linux, and a third time for osx?
15:08.29nevcairiel:D
15:08.39MatsyYeah.
15:08.40nevcairielI like C# for GUI too
15:08.46nevcairielbut its just only windows
15:08.50Matsyrwoven, Stellent, SharePoint, etc? SharePoint is quoted at $60000 for an internet license at http://blogs.tamtam.nl/mart/MOSS2007AndRelatedTec...
15:08.52nicoli_snevcairiel, i just don't worry about those other people
15:08.53Matsy.. what
15:09.06nicoli_s90% of the time i make apps its for me only or people i work with
15:09.14MatsyFunny how we only pay $6200 :(
15:09.56nevcairielI recently played around with PyQt and PyGTK .. its nice and easy to use, but lacks some good IDE to be really viable
15:10.01AntiarcThat URL cut off
15:10.05MatsyYeah
15:10.07MatsySame for me.
15:10.14MatsyI couldn't really check the integrity of that post
15:10.22Matsy... what
15:10.26MatsyI missed a Microsoft technology.
15:10.32MatsyHave you ever heard of Windows Azure?
15:10.35AntiarcYeah
15:10.48AntiarcThat's...their cloud thingie, right?
15:10.52MatsyYes.
15:11.04MatsyI should totally get that
15:11.05nevcairielCloud is such a new marketing word
15:11.11nicoli_sindeed
15:11.13AntiarcIt is.
15:11.21MatsyYeah :(
15:11.31AntiarcI get uppity anyone starts talking about TEH CLOUD
15:11.31MatsyThere's something like CloudOS, right?
15:12.16AntiarcThere are lots of clustered computing things in the Linux world, yes
15:13.13AntiarcHonestly, for clustered computing Linux just makes a lot of sense because you don't end up with per-CPU licensing costs
15:13.15VonhintenHOME`lol@Cloud computing
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15:14.03VonhintenHOME`Way to pick a marketting terms that's generally associated with BAD weather
15:14.04nevcairielThey should setup a system that can accurately predict and analyse cloud movement, now thats cloud computing!
15:14.05AntiarcThe way I'm set up, I'm running a Xen hypervisor, and any time I need more juice I just copy my Xen VM template, give it a unique name, fire it up, run my migration scripts to bring it up to date, git checkout, and fire up my services and I have more computing power :P
15:14.22Matsy....
15:14.23Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/114776210
15:14.24MatsyAt home?
15:14.27AntiarcNo, at work.
15:14.31AntiarcWeb cluster.
15:14.36MatsyAh, okay
15:14.36nevcairielI want that at home =(
15:14.48MatsyWe really should switch to Xen sometime.
15:14.59AntiarcXen is beautiful. I'm a big fan of it. :D
15:15.05MatsyWe're currently running VMWare for all of our servers.
15:15.19MatsyIt does its job.
15:15.25MatsyXen would just do the job a fair bunch better ;p
15:15.25AntiarcVMWare has better tools/docs, I'll say
15:15.32nevcairielthe ESX isnt too bad either
15:15.37AntiarcBut, Xen is fast as hell. Faster than VMWare in certain setups.
15:15.49MatsyHey Shirik
15:16.07VonhintenHOME`We're on MS VPC
15:16.15MatsyVirtual PC?
15:16.16MatsyWhat
15:16.21AntiarcThe way I'm running it, I have the hypervisor patched to give direct hardware access to the VMs, which means I can only run Linux VMs (since it's a linux hypervisor), but in exchange I basically get native performance in my VMs, which is awesome.
15:16.28VonhintenHOME`yeah, we're an MS shop though
15:16.35MatsySo are we.
15:16.35nevcairielcan you even consider VPC a "hypervisor"? =P
15:16.38AntiarcVirtualPC is slow as hell though.
15:16.44MatsyAnd even we use VMWare.
15:16.59Shirikrofl @ VPC being hyperv
15:17.10VonhintenHOME`We don't have a problem with it performance wise
15:17.12nevcairielSpeaking of VPC, that XP-Mode in 7 is working quite well
15:17.17MatsyYes!
15:17.20MatsyIt is, actually.
15:17.21AntiarcI need to try that.
15:17.23MatsyI really like that.
15:17.29AntiarcAre there docs on it?
15:17.30MatsyBleh
15:17.30ShirikI'm still on 7000 :(
15:17.37Antiarc7100 this week
15:17.39Matsyhttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/
15:17.42AntiarcErr, I only installed 7100 this week
15:17.44MatsyIt's really easy
15:17.51nevcairielI tried the "Unity" mode in VMWare with a Linux install, and it didnt really work
15:18.02MatsyUnity worked REALLY well in Windows.
15:18.18nevcairielWindows host, linux guest .. not enjoyable
15:18.18MatsyGo update to 7100, btw :(
15:18.25MatsyOh, lol.
15:18.28MatsyHaha
15:18.33MatsyI can imagine ;p
15:18.40nevcairielI just wanted to try it
15:18.48nevcairielinstalled some blank ubuntu and setup the vmware tools
15:18.50MatsyI'm going to update to 7100 on this machine too
15:18.59AntiarcI use VirtualBox for running VMs on Windows
15:19.00nevcairielbut the xp-mode is much smoother
15:19.02MatsyStill at 7068
15:19.09AntiarcIt's quick-and-dirty, but works fine
15:19.28MatsyAnd, going to switch to 32 bit.
15:19.45MatsyThe device driver I developed for WoW just doesn't seem to work.
15:19.53nevcairielI was considering getting another of those newer builds, after 7100 that is .. just for fun and testing
15:19.55MatsyI don't know anything about 64 bit programming either.
15:19.59Grumdevice driver you made for wow? o.O
15:20.06MatsyYes.
15:20.31MatsyI found it quite annoying that you couldn't put WoW on 2 screens.
15:20.34MatsySo, I made something for that.
15:20.56MatsyAt least, not in WoW-only.
15:21.02AntiarcSeems like that's a scary idea for fill rate, heh.
15:21.20MatsyNaw, not really.
15:21.29MatsyI have a proper videocard ;p
15:21.35AntiarcHeh, fair enough
15:21.56AntiarcI'm running an 8800gt, and it still chugs a bit in AOE situations.
15:22.06AntiarcNot the newest card, but it has plenty of juice.
15:22.14MatsyOh, yes.
15:22.19MatsyThe 8800 should still work perfectly fine
15:22.38MatsyExcept in Dalaran ;p
15:22.42VonhintenHOME`my 8800GTS has absolutely no problems
15:22.48MatsyBut, every card lags in Dalaran.
15:22.49AntiarcUgh, Dalaran :(
15:23.01AntiarcHAve you ever looked at what Dalaran does to system resource usage? Heh.
15:23.01MatsyIt has nothing to do with graphics cards.
15:23.08MatsyDalaran is just a horrible map.
15:23.13Antiarchttp://wow.tachyonsix.com/loldalaran.png
15:23.16MatsyMy graphics card is on like, 3% load whenever I run in Dalaran.
15:23.24AntiarcGuess where I zoned into Dalaran.
15:23.30MatsyLOL
15:23.33MatsyI can imagine.
15:23.45Antiarchttp://wow.tachyonsix.com/loldalaran2.png
15:23.46Fisker-touches Antiarc's private bytes
15:23.52MatsyI'm assuming you heartstoned?
15:24.03Antiarchttp://wow.tachyonsix.com/zones.png
15:24.05MatsySince there's this idle time in-between.
15:24.10Matsy....
15:24.21AntiarcThe first one was a hearth, the second was flying into Dalaran, the third was portaling from Dalaran to Ironforge
15:24.22MatsyThis is the last time I'm installing Apple products.
15:24.34MatsyWhy does Quicktime need access to IEXplore when I'm viewing a .png
15:24.43nicoli_sjuh cuh
15:24.54AntiarcApple products on Windows pretty much blow without exception :/
15:24.59MatsyYeah.
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15:25.12MatsyIt's the only way for me to update my iPod touch, though :(
15:25.21AntiarcWinamp has an ipod plugin
15:25.27AntiarcI think foobar2000 does too
15:25.29MatsyCan't update firmwares.
15:25.50AntiarcHrm, I don't seem to remember needing itunes for firmware updates
15:26.02AntiarcGranted, that's with an oldschool ipod, not a touch.
15:26.12MatsyHow else would I get 'em?
15:26.24AntiarcI seemed to remember it being a self-contained installer or something
15:26.24MatsyThey aren't on some installer you can download.
15:26.28AntiarcI may be misremembering
15:26.33MatsyOh, you might not.
15:26.39MatsyCould be that they changed that
15:26.43MatsyBrb, grabbing a dVD.
15:27.05AdysAntiarc: there are graphic leaks and other problems in dalaran
15:27.25Adysmost of them used to affect crystalsong and grizzly hills too
15:27.32MatsyYeah.
15:27.34VonhintenHOME`stop viewing png's in quicktime, good god
15:27.38AntiarcI think it's less leaks, and more that it just doesn't use tri culling very effectively
15:27.43Matsy....
15:27.45MatsyVonhinten.
15:27.48VonhintenHOME`get a real imaging app
15:27.48MatsyYou're getting me wrong
15:27.51MatsyI'm not even trying to do that
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15:28.03MatsyQuicktime just interferes with my .PNG plugin.
15:28.11|pez|uninstall quicktime! :D
15:28.14VonhintenHOME`quicktime is the fucking devil
15:28.20AdysMatsy: browser?
15:28.27MatsyInternet Explorer.
15:28.34Adyswhat the fuck
15:28.37Adysyou deserve it
15:28.42Matsy...
15:28.48MatsyLol biased.
15:28.55MatsyWhat else would I use.
15:28.55|pez|Unless you're a webdeveloper, there's no reason to use IE at all.
15:29.07MatsyPez
15:29.08|pez|Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari?
15:29.11MatsyThat's exactly what I am.
15:29.19*** join/#wowuidev Mats_ (n=Mats@a143167.upc-a.chello.nl)
15:29.19MatsyAnd, I use certificates every single time of the day.
15:29.24AdysIE has no plugin handling
15:29.34MatsyAnd, neither Firefox OR  Chrome, OR Opera OR Safari has any proper certificate handling.
15:29.41Adyschrome does
15:29.46MatsySo I'm stuck with IE ;p
15:29.49Adysdunno about opera/safari
15:29.51MatsyAnd, it works pretty well.
15:30.02MatsyChrome can't generate certificates eitehr.
15:30.04Matsy*either.
15:30.09ScytheBlade1Matsy: firefox has proper cert handling
15:30.12ScytheBlade1lol, I see now
15:30.19MatsyI know;p
15:30.19Adys(no it doesnt)
15:30.21MatsyBut, the generation.
15:30.27ScytheBlade1You want MS's "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" features
15:30.32ScytheBlade1I gotcha now
15:30.43Matsy...
15:30.47ScytheBlade1;)
15:30.47|pez|Matsy: As long as it's IE 6 or below, I guess it's all good. Except that IE still is doomy with png transparency.
15:31.00MatsyIt's IE8.
15:31.15AntiarcI use IE for compat testing, and even then I loathe it.
15:31.21|pez|As long as it's *not* IE6 and below XD
15:31.26MatsyOh.
15:31.28Adysyou should have said that earlier
15:31.29MatsyYeah ;p
15:31.39MatsyWhat.
15:31.39Adyssomewhere in settings, plugins
15:31.48AdysIE8 has plugin handling
15:31.49AntiarcIE8 is better, but it's a 2004-ish browser, and the world has moved on.
15:31.57MatsyI know.
15:32.01AdysIE8 is fine
15:32.01MatsyIf it weren't for the certificates
15:32.04MatsyI'd have used Opera.
15:32.10MatsyBut, IE8 works very well for me.
15:32.11AntiarcIE8 really isn't fine
15:32.15MatsyAND it comes with the support.
15:32.16Adysyeah it is
15:32.20AntiarcIt still ignores some really big pieces of standards that make it a pain in the ass
15:32.26MatsyAh, yes.
15:32.26LopeppeppyIE8 can bite me, and go back to whatever demon spawned it.
15:32.29Adyssuch as?
15:32.33Antiarcz-index contexts.
15:32.35MatsyThat's one REALLY big downside.
15:32.43MatsyIE8 screws with web developers.
15:32.44LopeppeppyIt's frellin' up my sheeple, I can't stand it.
15:32.49Adysacid2 plays with z-indexes a lot
15:32.56AntiarcEstablish a new block context, and all that entire block has a relative z-index layer defined by that block index's position in the document.
15:32.59Lopeppeppy< -- Web Developer/tech support
15:33.02|pez|Matsy: I think MS just likes that tradition of screwing with webdevelopers.
15:33.03AntiarcSo do dropdown menus.
15:33.12AntiarcIE8 is great compared to IE6
15:33.14MatsyWell ;p
15:33.18ScytheBlade1ha
15:33.20MatsyAll I develop in, works with IE.
15:33.22AntiarcBut so is a giant steaming pile of crap in the middle of the living room
15:33.24MatsyAnd, it only works with IE.
15:33.29AntiarcSee, that's terrible :(
15:33.31MatsyWell, our versions work with any browser.
15:33.34ScytheBlade1I'm sitting here waiting on a car safety/emissions/oil change, hour and a half minimum
15:33.41ScytheBlade1Turns out the wifi has websense
15:33.52Matsybut, the standard Sharepoint only functions properly in IE.
15:34.09AntiarcAnd now we're getting into the big complaints about Microsoft products :P
15:34.17MatsyI'm never going to be ;p
15:34.18LopeppeppyProprietary selfish bastards.
15:34.28AntiarcProprietary system lockin isn't just a river in Egypt.
15:34.30AntiarcWait, I did that wrong.
15:34.35ScytheBlade1ha
15:34.38Matsy:(
15:34.47MatsyBurning 7100 now.
15:35.06|pez|Ohyeaah, I need to do that.
15:35.12|pez|And make backups of my stuff.
15:35.17MatsyYeah, same here
15:35.18AntiarcYou can install 7100 from a virtual DVD
15:35.24Matsy...
15:35.25MatsyWhat
15:35.27AntiarcI just installed DaemonTools, mounted the ISO, and installed it that way
15:35.32MatsyUh
15:35.33AntiarcWell, I had DaemonTools already installed
15:35.34MatsyI dont think that works
15:35.38ScytheBlade1It will
15:35.41ScytheBlade1Since 2k actually
15:35.43AntiarcWell, tell that to my system, because that's what I did
15:35.45MatsyWith the x64 -> x86 transition.
15:35.52AntiarcIt'll work fine
15:35.54MatsyIt'd be really weird if the installer supported that.
15:36.00ScytheBlade1Run it from windows, and it drops the installer on the hard drive
15:36.01AntiarcNot really
15:36.08Matsy...
15:36.09ScytheBlade1Fixes the boot loader, reboots right into the install
15:36.11Matsy:(
15:36.13MatsyHere I am
15:36.14Antiarc^--
15:36.16MatsyRuining a DVD.
15:36.25MatsyShould've told me sooner!
15:36.46AntiarcAlways try mounting as a virtual drive first! :P
15:36.52|pez|I like having a DVD at hand, incase of a poweroff or something.
15:37.08AntiarcI haven't done an OS install with a DVD in so long
15:37.15AntiarcAnother thing I love about Linux, network installers :P
15:37.25LopeppeppyOh, btw, the WoW Mountain Dews are in stores now.
15:37.25AntiarcI have the installer bootstrapper thingie on a floppy
15:37.29Lopeppeppyis drinking for the Horde
15:37.34theorbtwoAntiarc: You have a floppy?
15:37.35MatsyUh.
15:37.36AntiarcPop that in, fire up the installer, enter a remote install URL, and it does the rest
15:37.39AntiarcAmazingly, yes
15:37.47MatsyYou have that on Windows too, Antiarc ;p
15:37.49ScytheBlade1Antiarc: you can actually PXE boot a windows installer, depending on the amount of effort you want to put into it
15:37.56ScytheBlade1Or money, depending
15:37.56AntiarcMatsy: Over teh internets, I just give it an http URL :P
15:38.02AntiarcDoesn't require a LAN-based install source
15:38.02Matsy:(
15:38.07MatsyOkay
15:38.13|pez|pats Matsy
15:38.28AntiarcThe Windows 7 install was plenty easy, it's just nice for doing installs remotely :P
15:38.35ScytheBlade1The other nice thing about that, is installing an OS that was released years ago, but magically installs with all of the updates
15:38.43AntiarcI can install a new OS on a VM over SSH if I need to without ever touching physical media
15:38.59AntiarcYes.
15:39.01theorbtwoI tend to burn a small DVD for the loader, and netinst from there.  Then again, I don't install linuxes that often, I just upgrade.
15:39.21MatsyEh
15:39.26MatsyWe don't ever install new OS's
15:39.27AntiarcThat's another thing that's awesome, upgrades consist of "install the upgrade package, then run a system update, then reboot, grats, you're on the next version of the OS"
15:39.30MatsyWe just 'duplicate VMs'
15:39.34ScytheBlade1yeah
15:39.49MatsyI do reinstall my computer pretty often.
15:40.46LegorolDoes anyone happen to know how much agility various classes need for 1% dodge?
15:40.52LegorolWowwiki doens't list it for L80
15:40.55LegorolA link would suffice
15:41.05AntiarcLegorol: The ratingbuster source would have it
15:41.22ScytheBlade1Fri May 29 09:32:36 2009 [vpn.averageurl.com] Peer Connection Initiated
15:41.26ScytheBlade1mmm, no more websense
15:41.45ScytheBlade1Stupid jerks filtering my internet
15:42.46nicoli_slegorol, Antiarc is right, ratingsbust is the only place i could find it
15:43.45Matsyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Attributes
15:43.49MatsyIt's there, Legorol.
15:43.58MatsyAGI per 1% Dodge
15:44.04MatsyClass  L. 60  L. 70  L. 80
15:44.21Matsy...
15:44.25MatsyHowever, it's not filled :<
15:44.57Matsyhttp://elitistjerks.com/f31/t29453-combat_ratings_level_80_a/
15:46.43LegorolMatsy: yah i saw it's not filled on wowwiki, that's why i asked. Thanks for the EJ link.
15:47.37MatsyAh, noes.
15:48.32MatsyMy DVD doesnt work.
15:48.43ScytheBlade1heh
15:48.50ScytheBlade1Good thing you don't need it!
15:49.03Matsy:(
15:49.09MatsyI ruined a DVD though!
15:49.17ScytheBlade1It's been *possible* since win2k to do that
15:49.27ScytheBlade1Vista (and higher) added a lot of flexability to that feature
15:50.09MatsyI couldn't install x64 over x86 on Vista.
15:50.24MatsySince the installer was all 64 bit.
15:50.32ScytheBlade1hmm, that is a possibility
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15:53.04ScytheBlade1That said, I have a stack of DVD-RWs which I abuse. Great investment there
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15:58.25AntiarcIs there a list of nonprintable character codes?
15:58.46AntiarcI want to prepend a line of tooltip text with an unprintable character, to flag that line as "ignore this" for the purposes of my mod.
15:59.41Shirikhi Matsy
16:00.11MatsyLOL
16:00.14MatsyThat's a late reply ;p
16:01.34ScytheBlade1He's slow
16:01.40ScytheBlade1It'll be another few hours before he replies to that
16:01.45MatsyI can't believe that
16:01.51MatsyHe's just busy ;p
16:02.18AckisWorkoh it's comedy day in the chan today?
16:02.29nicoli_sit is?
16:02.32MatsyWhat?
16:02.38AckisWorkShirik == busy == comedy
16:02.40MatsyThis chan has a comedy day?
16:03.21Lopeppeppy4chan is funny?
16:03.28MatsyNo?
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16:08.40nicoli_shates regexes now
16:09.41Fisker-this is why we can't have nice things
16:09.45ScytheBlade1now?
16:10.24LopeppeppyWe ever could?
16:10.55nicoli_si got some sunkist, thats nice
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16:12.05LunessaStation!
16:12.54LopeppeppyMorning, Lunessa dear.
16:13.03LunessaMorning.
16:16.13nicoli_sooh new sc2 stuff
16:16.25alestaneThe death animations?
16:16.27Matsysc?
16:16.35alestaneStarcraft II.
16:16.39MatsyOh.
16:16.49ScytheBlade1link?
16:17.11Fisker-beta today
16:17.24kneekiis the spell and melee hit cap vs other players 5% so long as the two characters are equal level?
16:17.49Gnarfozyes
16:18.15Antiarcassuming no talents and such
16:18.35AntiarcNight Elves get -2% hit
16:19.00AntiarcImproved Blink is -30% hit for 4 seconds
16:20.39kneekiHow would you go about determing if the Unit is an NPC? 'if not UnitIsPlayer("target") then' ?
16:20.49kneekiThere's not some UnitIsMonster() event that I can see
16:21.21AntiarcYes
16:24.50nicoli_skneeki, check out one of the DB sites addons, they have code to determine npc id imagine
16:25.02kneekimhmm
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16:26.08MatsyInstalling the new Windows 7 now.
16:26.11Matsy^_^
16:26.37foxlit<Lincoln Wiped On Opera>
16:27.29AckisWorkkneeki: if (UnitExists("target") and (not UnitIsPlayer("target")) and (not UnitIsEnemy("player", "target"))) then
16:27.50AckisWorkthat's for friendly npc's
16:28.00kneekiYeah
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17:05.04MatsyThat was fast.
17:06.17nicoli_show is it?
17:06.29ScytheBlade1Sadly, the only thing that will ever kill the Sims is somebody making a better Sims-type game. That or putting them in a swimming pool and removing the ladders.
17:06.38ScytheBlade1ah, /.
17:06.38MatsyNo change at all.
17:06.38Lopeppeppy:P
17:06.43MatsyI was on 7068
17:06.54MatsyCan't find any major changes
17:12.10Fisker-that's fixed ScytheBlade1!
17:12.16Fisker-however poor pathfinding is awesome
17:12.30nevcairielcan you no longer easily kill them?
17:12.33nevcairielthat was the only fun in the game
17:12.55Fisker-Not even been able to wall them in
17:13.26Fisker-Only way i've been able to kill them is with fire
17:13.29Fisker-and that's hard too
17:14.25Fisker-but it's kinda funny
17:14.28ScytheBlade1That's disappointing
17:14.31Fisker-because i had a house with a swimming pool
17:14.49Fisker-That kinda was a trench from the house
17:15.19Fisker-And it's pathfinding couldn't get him back on land(where he could actually walk around) so he was stuck on a 3-tile ledge and couldn't get away
17:15.24Fisker-had to remove the pool :(
17:16.15Gnarfoz" Javascript is required to download Minion. " <-
17:16.16Gnarfoz?!
17:16.22Gnarfozit's not required at all, works without it :D
17:16.35nicoli_scan you still remove doors and stuff while playing fisker?
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17:17.16MatsyYeah, lol Gnarfoz.
17:17.48Fisker-just keeps kicking and kicking Gnarfoz
17:17.59Fisker-nicoli_s not in real time if that's what you're asking
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17:18.25Fisker-though some items can be moved around in real time
17:18.29Fisker-like news papers, etc.
17:20.08mikmathat's a new experience.. was tanking sartharion, his minion popped a void zone under me
17:20.12Shirikok
17:20.21Shirikhow do I get outlook to show me the full header of an email
17:20.21Lopeppeppyhuggles Shirik
17:20.27mikmaand right before she died, some paladin taunted him off from me -> i taunted sarth back and got flamewalled into lava
17:20.37mikmathen i had to swim in the lava and tank sarth..
17:20.39ShirikI got an email and it has a blank "to" header
17:20.45Shirikso I'm trying ot see if I was BCCed or something
17:21.08MatsyRight click the email message
17:21.21MatsyClick Options
17:21.37MatsyAnd it should have something that's called "Internet headers"
17:21.46kneekiThe formula to determine the players current hit on a target, '(UnitLevel("player") - UnitLevel("target")) + format("%.1f", GetCombatRatingBonus(6))', for physical melee hit. That seem right?
17:21.47MatsyWhat Outlook version are you using>?
17:21.58AckisWorkLopeppeppy: http://poststuffx.entensity.net/052909/flash.php?media=cat.flv
17:22.01AckisWorkMEOW
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17:22.37Shirik2007
17:22.48LopeppeppyAckis, that is NSFW.  Bad form not to tell me that.  *poke*
17:22.48MatsyOh
17:22.56MatsyThings are a bit different then.
17:23.07AckisWorkLopeppeppy: no it's not, it's SFW
17:23.07MatsyGo to the Options group, in the menubar.
17:23.18MatsyAnd there should be some small icon to show it
17:23.23MatsyLet me get the exact icon
17:23.25LopeppeppyThe ads on that page surely aren't, then.  That's all that loaded before I shut it again.
17:23.31AckisWorkLopeppeppy: my gf links those videos to me at work, she doesn't link any that are NSFW... this one is of a kitty kat getting owned
17:23.39AckisWorkLopeppeppy: ah I have adblocker =/ sorry :(
17:24.07AckisWorki can tell you about video? :D
17:24.36AckisWorkkitty door -> cellophane on it -> kitty trying to run through it and getting owned hehe :D
17:24.44MatsyOh
17:24.45MatsyYeah.
17:24.53MatsyAt the very right bottom of the Options group
17:24.56MatsyClick the small icon there
17:25.00MatsyTo expand the options to a dialog.
17:25.16MatsyAnd there should be some textarea with "Internet Headers"
17:26.02kneekiPvE Hit % for spell casters = 18%, physical melee 10% ?
17:27.29VonhintenHOME`LOL @ GM stock being at 75c
17:28.09Antiarc8% for 2H, 27% for dual wield
17:28.14durcynkneeki: 16% for casters, 8% for melee specials
17:28.19Gnarfozhmm
17:28.48Gnarfozthe Minion installer just vanishes after it's done downloading
17:29.01Gnarfozdoesn't offer to place any shortcuts or ask where in the Start Menu to place them
17:29.08MatsyYeah.
17:29.09kneekiis that the same for hunters?
17:29.11MatsyIt shouldn'\t
17:29.12Gnarfozoh, but it seems to have placed one on the desktop
17:29.13kneeki8% I mean
17:29.15MatsyDon't you have an icon on your desktop?
17:29.17MatsyYesh ;p
17:29.19Gnarfozwhere I don't want one
17:29.25MatsyMove it?
17:29.38Gnarfozyou're getting why I'm even saying this, right?
17:29.38Gnarfoz:p
17:29.43MatsyYes ;p
17:29.58MatsyWell actually
17:30.01MatsyNot completely
17:30.49Gnarfozassuming I want a link on my desktop is worse than offering to place links on Desktop/in Start Menu/in Quicklaunch and have what you think is popular as default settings, but changeable
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17:31.09Gnarfoz(I know it's not a NSIS installer, but for example, they seem to offer this in a nice fashion)
17:31.11MatsyI'm assuming that'll change, eventualyl.
17:31.49Endit's 17% for casters.
17:32.56durcynEnd: what, you don't have a pet draenei?
17:33.14nevcairielmaybe he is a poor horde player
17:33.56GnarfozMatsy: that's why I'm suggesting it ;-)
17:34.13Enddurcyn: you don't have a pet boomkin?
17:34.19MatsyYesh ;p
17:34.20Gnarfozalso, windows installer could grab wow path from the registry ;)
17:34.22MatsyWould be a good feature
17:34.23durcynEnd: two!
17:34.24MatsyYeah!
17:34.31MatsyI already noted that
17:34.45Endthen why the hell did you include the draenei but not the boomkin?
17:34.52End(or shadow priest)
17:35.13MatsyAnd, I'd assume Mac OSX / Linux has something similar to that
17:35.25LopeppeppyAckis, that video is MEAN!  *sniff*
17:35.27durcynEnd: because sarcasm doesn't have a completeness requirement
17:35.47Endyou were being sarcastic when you gave kneeki the numbers?
17:35.56durcynno, i was being sarcastic when you corrected me.  gosh.
17:36.11durcynit's 17% since they uncapped it in 3.0, let's move on
17:36.24MatsyGnarfoz
17:36.45Endfine with me
17:36.55AckisWorkLopeppeppy: it's funny! :D
17:37.04LopeppeppyNot funny at all!  *sniff*
17:37.09MatsyOh.
17:37.10LopeppeppyMy cat would eat your face for doing that to her!  :)
17:37.12MatsyDinner time, brb ;p
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17:37.26AckisWorkoh come on, that cat wasn't hurt, it was like wtf dude
17:37.27AckisWorklol
17:37.39Fisker-slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout
17:37.51LopeppeppyPoor kitty!
17:37.58Shirikok
17:38.07Shirikthis email has no "to" "cc" or "bcc" headers
17:39.07nevcairielyou know, you don't see bcc when it was delivered to you
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17:40.13AckisWorkhah Fisker- get a better net connection!
17:40.19Fisker-your mom AckisWork
17:40.29Fisker-SC2 beta today
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17:40.35AckisWorknot for you
17:40.40Fisker-nor for you
17:40.52Shiriknevcairiel: You don't? How does it get to you?
17:41.07nevcairielthe mailserver knows
17:41.14nevcairielbut then strips the bcc line bevor delivering it
17:41.23nevcairielthats the whole point
17:41.27nevcairielblind copy
17:41.32AckisWorkwow minion was released
17:41.35AckisWorkI didn't know that
17:41.40EndI know the not bccers don't see it for sure
17:41.43AckisWorkI learnt it from http://www.wow.com/2009/05/29/mmoui-minion-beta-released/ :(
17:41.46nevcairielno-one sees it
17:41.47AckisWork~lart Shirik
17:41.47purltakes Shirik to the vet for a "special" visit
17:41.58EndAckisWork: where have you been?
17:42.11Endthe beta has been the talk of the channel lately
17:42.12AckisWorkEnd: good question, head up my arse I guess
17:42.25Endthat doesn't sound comfortable at all
17:42.28mikma"As this is a beta, I won't be too hard on it, but I wouldn't recommend using it in its current state."
17:42.29AckisWorkI thought it was alpha
17:42.30VonhintenHOME`How's the weather up there?
17:42.38VonhintenHOME`warm and humid?
17:43.07AckisWorkstinky too
17:43.07Lopeppeppychecks the channel topic....
17:43.23Endthat too
17:43.46AckisWorkthere's a channel topic?
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17:44.24PrimerSo last night I decided I'd solo the 2 ZG bosses that dropped mounts
17:44.32PrimerSolo'd Bloodlord...no mount
17:44.41PrimerSolo'd High Priest Thekal...and he bugged
17:44.50Primerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5dsqsvb8s  <-- video of said bugging
17:44.58EndI thought you were going to say you got both at first
17:45.03Endand I would have killed some babies
17:45.13Ends/killed/punched/
17:45.17Endkilling is too harsh
17:45.22Primeragree
17:45.50PrimerI'm wondering if he'll be reset if I go back today
17:46.09Endlol what the hell
17:46.49AckisWorkLopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-pictures-you-should-feed-your-cat-before-dinner.jpg r u kats like that?
17:46.51kneekiIs it jsut shadow priest "Misery" that increases the chance to spell hit a mob?
17:46.58kneekiI thought there was one more
17:47.01kneekiBoomkin or something
17:47.02Endboomkins
17:47.12Endtheir imp faerie fire does it too
17:47.28kneekiah, that's the one
17:47.37Primerwhat about Dreanei presence?
17:47.46PrimerI guess that's not spell
17:47.59durcynit's a flat 1% to both
17:47.59kneekiIf it's improved, does the tooltip say "Improved faerie fire" or is it still "faerie fire"?
17:47.59Endit stacks
17:48.10Endfarier fire and misery don't though
17:48.13durcynno, kneeki, just Faerie Fire
17:48.19Endwow I fail at spelling
17:48.23nevcairieltooltips are still not changed by talents
17:48.25kneekiok
17:48.29nevcairielthey promised to fix that for the last 2 years
17:48.30nevcairielbut shrug
17:48.33durcynyou have to check who applied it and scan talents in order to determine if it's providing the hit
17:48.44durcynor just use Utopia, which does exactly that
17:48.49EndI thought it was funnier with BoK
17:49.00Endeveryone was like "why is it only 2%"
17:50.18kneekiAlso, the + hit you get from talents does not show up on the paper doll hit rating thing does it?
17:50.55LopeppeppyKendra is not allowed on the table for one.  For two, she doesn't much like human food.  I tend to feed her treats when I get home, she could care less about my dinner.
17:50.59Endit does not
17:51.24Endoriginally because every hit talent only affected specific spells
17:51.28dardackyawn
17:51.30Endnow...well, it still doesn't
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17:59.06Antiarchttp://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson5.html
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18:03.33dardackanyone know with oUF how to limit how many debuffs show up on your target?
18:03.54nevcairielthats totally up to your layout
18:04.32dardackoh
18:04.45durcynif you're using split display, it's .numDebuffs / .numBuffs, otherwise .num
18:05.33dardackwhat's split display
18:06.22durcynseparate Buff and Debufff frames instead of a single Aura frame
18:06.28durcyns/fff/ff/
18:07.20dardackthey are separate
18:07.51dardackbut i ahve tried if unit='target' ... self.Debuffs.numDebuffs = 30
18:07.54dardackbut i get more then 30 still
18:08.07durcynit'd just be self.Debuffs.num
18:08.13dardackoh
18:08.18dardackthat's why i'm doing it wrong
18:08.32dardacki thought you said if your using split dipslay it's .numdebuffs
18:08.48dardackanyways i'll try that thanks so much
18:08.55durcynno, that's only for merged Aura frames
18:09.55dardackok my pet is merged and .numdebuffs worked
18:09.57dardackthanks
18:09.59dardackwas confused
18:11.14dardackthe only think i wish i could get working is a countdown on pvp
18:11.33dardackbut i think i have it all set up really nice
18:12.16dardackwoot that worked, tahnks again durcyn
18:12.25dardacks/tah/tha
18:13.28durcynpvp cooldown shouldn't be too hard, just check IsPVPTimerRunning() on PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED
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18:14.45kneekiHmm, Druids & Paladins are the only classes that do  not have hit talents?
18:14.58LopeppeppyRubs it in, rubs it in.  :P
18:15.01NightHawkTheSan1melee hit talents, yes.
18:15.08NightHawkTheSan1druids have a spellhit talent in balance
18:15.26kneekiFaerie fire?
18:15.44kneekiNo passive ones?
18:15.53NightHawkTheSan1they have a passive 4% hit talent
18:16.00NightHawkTheSan1as well as 3% raid hit from imp ff.
18:16.40NightHawkTheSan1http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33596
18:16.40kneekiWhat's the name of the passive one?
18:16.43kneekiI cann't find it
18:16.50NightHawkTheSan1^^
18:17.03kneekiAhhh
18:17.04kneekithx =)
18:17.23durcynkneeki: idHitThat should have all of this data already
18:17.43NightHawkTheSan1feral druids and ret pallies are, i believe, the only two melee dps classes that can be fully capped at 8% though
18:17.46kneekihandy!
18:20.57NightHawkTheSan1hm, actually i guess arms warriors only need 8% too, although i dont think they have access to a hit talent..?
18:21.19Fisker-it's 8% for everyone
18:21.38durcynit's 8% for -specials-
18:21.45NightHawkTheSan1for specials, sure. but fury wars, enh shaman, and rogues have the dw miss chance
18:21.46durcynyou can still miss on melee swings at 8%
18:21.53durcynand offhands are a whole other animal
18:22.29Fisker-no
18:22.34Fisker-and yeah with the offhands
18:24.07CairennFour married guys go golfing.  During the 4th hole, the following conversation took place:
18:24.07CairennFirst Guy:  'You have no idea what I had to do to be able to come out golfing this weekend.  I had to promise my wife that I will paint every room in the house next weekend.'
18:24.07CairennSecond Guy:  'That's nothing; I had to promise my wife that I will build her a new deck for the pool.'
18:24.08CairennThird Guy: 'Man, you both have it easy!  I had to promise my wife that I will remodel the kitchen for her.'
18:24.08CairennThey continue to play the hole when they realize that the fourth guy has not said a word.
18:24.08CairennSo they ask him, 'You haven't said anything about what you had to do to be able to come golfing this weekend.  What's the deal?'
18:24.08CairennThe fourth guy responded: 'I just set my alarm for 5:30 am.  When it went off, I gave the wife a slap on the ass and said: 'Golf course or intercourse?' She said: 'Wear sun-block'
18:24.08Lopeppeppy*laugh*
18:24.08durcynCairenn: should pastey things over three lines, imo
18:24.08Cairenn:p
18:24.20Cairennyes, yes I should
18:24.24Fisker-naw
18:24.27Cairennbut I didn't
18:24.32Cairennso nyah nyah
18:24.33LopeppeppyYou peoples!
18:25.04MatsyBack
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18:26.47NechcknCairenn  =)
18:29.50nicoli_si think that joke is a little too racy Cairenn
18:30.03Torhal...
18:30.07Torhalcackles.
18:32.59nicoli_si really think knock knock jokes are more approriate
18:33.06nicoli_sthat or dead baby joke, anything classy
18:33.08AdysI'm in awe
18:33.12Adyshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spell_checker
18:33.16Adysthe "poem" on the right
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18:37.21Matsy'the hell
18:37.27MatsyI lost my USB -> Micro USB adapter.
18:37.42MatsyThat's a bit disturbing.
18:37.45Fisker-i found your USB -> Micro USB adapter
18:37.56Matsy:(
18:38.12KarlKFIhttp://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson30.html
18:38.42zenzelezzlol
18:39.14mikmaoh, cairenn likes dirty jokes!
18:39.30Cairennwho, me? *flutter lashes innocently*
18:39.44mikmacairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dirty_mind3.jpg
18:39.52Cairennheh
18:40.15zenzelezz<mikma> oh, cairenn likes dirty jokes! <--- are you new to the channel or something?
18:40.21Cairennhehehe
18:40.26mikmayes, i just joined 10 minutes ago
18:40.35LopeppeppyYeah....
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18:40.41LopeppeppyPeppy and Cairenn are innocent as the driven snow.
18:40.45Cairenn^^
18:40.48Cairennnodnod
18:40.55mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/bshit/mii_suk.jpg <- thai-massage
18:41.20Matsy...
18:41.24Matsyi lost both of my cables.
18:41.37MatsyEven more weird
18:41.38Dashkalblinks
18:41.38DashkalInteresting moments to join irc
18:42.41KarlKFII smeel Ramen
18:43.47LopeppeppyI'm hungry.
18:44.12AdysWhat
18:44.14Adyshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyNuriXG3BQ&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
18:44.17Adysisnt an official vid?
18:45.17TorhalLopeppeppy: You messed that up. Here, I'll fix: "Peppy and Cairenn are innocent as the driven-on snow."
18:45.29Cairenn!
18:45.32Torhal:D
18:46.02ScytheBlade1rofl
18:47.00LopeppeppyHey!
18:47.43DashkalThat sounds more like it
18:48.38Thunder_Childhow exactly does MMP divver from MMO?
18:48.58EndMMP?
18:49.06Thunder_Childp = Persistant
18:49.12AckisWorkpenis?
18:49.19AckisWorkI have a MMP
18:49.19Thunder_Childs/a/e/
18:49.22EndAckisWork: you wish
18:49.22AckisWorkHAH
18:51.40Vangualgmail.com
18:51.53Vangualerr wrong window
18:52.10zenzelezzVangual: no it isn't. Now enter your password to log in
18:52.48Vangualvangual\nyouwish
18:52.48MatsyHaha
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18:59.43MatsyThe username or password you entered is incorrect.
19:01.22kneekiAll lvl 80 bosses = lvl 83 right?
19:01.32Gnarfozall bosses are boss level
19:01.40Gnarfozboss level always equals playermaxlevel + 3
19:01.40Torhalkneeki: They scale.
19:01.41ArrowmasterClassso downstairs they are having some student presentations, and like half our class had to attend so weve been slacking around, somebody comes up with a box of pizza from it and it disappeared almost instantly, then another teacher brings us a box because they have extras, then another student returns carrying two boxes
19:01.43Gnarfozat the moment: 83
19:01.47kneekiok
19:01.55LopeppeppyFree pizza = good pizza?
19:02.12ArrowmasterClassits very greasey but yeah free = good
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19:03.57NechcknThe real gem in http://www.philoking.com/2009/05/28/blizzard-does-not-believe-people-quit-world-of-warcraft-because-they-dont-play-it/ is when you scroll all the way to the reply from Jason Burns to Alice Keenan
19:05.33AdysGnarfoz: they got a real level as well
19:05.37Adyswhich is 83 yes
19:07.27GnarfozAdys: ?
19:07.32Gnarfozboss level IS playermaxlevel +3
19:07.38Gnarfozhow is that not "a real level" ^^
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19:09.44mikmahttp://thesuperficial.com/2009/05/keanu_reeves_has_secret_canadi.php
19:11.00NightHawkTheSan1Adys: what Gnarfoz said. the trick is realizing that most of their stats dont scale with their level.
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19:13.52mikmatekkub: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/05/fried_footwear_mmmm_bacon_loaf.php
19:14.10tekkubokey then
19:14.45LopeppeppyI'm hungry.
19:16.41mikmahttp://runpee.com/ <- :DDD
19:16.51zenzelezzthat sounds tricky
19:16.55mikmait's not actually
19:17.21mikmatells you when is a good time to go to toilet while in movies :D
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19:20.18nicoli_slol
19:22.14mikmatekkub: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/05/om_nom_nom_the_ipod_shuffle_ba.php
19:22.31tekkub:P
19:23.01Nechcknlol, teaches me not to watch..  I just found the bacon loafers and was scurrying to post it.
19:23.05Nechcknsniffles
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19:25.21mikmacairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_udqEp_YR4
19:27.55zenzelezzhm, how do horde get to Northrend?
19:28.36mikmaundercity -> zeppelin -> howling fjord
19:28.48mikmaorgrimmar -> zeppelin -> borean tundra
19:29.31zenzelezzoh, bah, didn't see that other zeppelin tower
19:29.32zenzelezzcheers
19:29.53AckisWorkzenzelezz: get a mage to port you ;)
19:31.03mikmathe zeppelin tower in orgrimmar is on the other side of the main road to org ^^
19:31.19mikmakinda nasty, when you think about the UC tower, it's next to the old one
19:31.22LopeppeppyAny other city, they're INSIDE the city, not outside "over there"
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19:35.36foxlit!api SetFrameRef
19:35.36lua_botCould not find a match for 'SetFrameRef'.
19:36.52alestane!api SecureHandler_SetFrameRef
19:36.52lua_botCould not find a match for 'SecureHandler_SetFrameRef'.
19:37.13alestanefoxlit: What did you need to know?
19:37.26foxlitI'm just being lazy
19:37.54foxlitI reloaded to run some code, but unfortunately it's in another file.
19:38.00foxlitSo WoW didn't bother loading
19:38.38foxlitChecking that I recall things correctly about SetFrameRef, really. I think that works through attributes, which means that the onattributechange should work as a notification
19:39.40alestanefoxlit: It should.
19:40.05alestaneIt sets the "frameref-"..refname attribute to the frame's safe handle.
19:40.19alestanehttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367751857&sid=1 Too nasty?
19:40.25LopeppeppyI read that as "ferret", alestane...
19:40.43LopeppeppyAnd yes, it was, which you already knew.  *poke*
19:43.10Lunessaalestane: No, not nasty at all. :)
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19:44.55Shadowedhe's talking about faded health bars I bet
19:45.59alestane"all cool looking and updated"...I'm guessing he means "has a less flat-looking texture", but who knows?
19:48.17LopeppeppyBe nicer than thou wast, alestane, or no cookies.
19:50.08Thunder_Childhands alestane some coocies
19:50.14Thunder_Childcookies*
19:50.22Thunder_Childsighs
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19:52.11Lunessacookies - I wants them
19:52.54LopeppeppyCome gets 'em
19:53.20Lunessa*noms an oatmeal raisin cookie from the kitchen*
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19:55.28LopeppeppyMeanie!
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20:00.09sp0ckkIs it possible for an add-on to access account information such as login details to your wow account?
20:00.51LopeppeppyNope.
20:01.14sp0ckkGood. I've downloaded an addon from a possibly "dodgy" source and I just hope it can't be changed to perform such an act.
20:01.29MatsyYes.
20:01.31MatsyIt is.
20:01.33Matsy;p
20:01.38sp0ckkD:
20:01.45sp0ckkOH NOES MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN DELETEDZ!
20:01.49MatsyBut, not those addons.
20:02.06sp0ckki've obtained the Zygor Addon(s)
20:02.27MatsyAny addon publicly available won't be able to, don't worry ;p
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20:02.34Lopeppeppysp0ckk, don't download from dodgy sources then?  *gentle shrug*  Addons are not executed until after you've logged in, and are supposed to be wholly contained in the Addons folder. If you've got something else, you're taking your chances with a 3rd party program.
20:02.50sp0ckkNope it is simply an addon.
20:02.52sp0ckknothing more.
20:02.56LopeppeppyThen you're fine.
20:03.04MatsyHopefully.
20:03.22sp0ckkCan addons send gold or anything if you interact with a mailbox? i know it sounds as those i'm being paranoid, but you know, i did get it from bit torrents
20:03.25MatsyBecause seriously, there are addons that aren't so safe.
20:03.39sp0ckkthough*
20:03.43LopeppeppyMatsy, don't muddy the waters.  If he's telling the truth that it's a normal addon, he's fine.  If he's gotten dodgy from a dodgy site, he already knows he's taking his chances.
20:03.57MatsyI'm just explaining that not every addon is safe.
20:03.59LopeppeppyThen don't use it, sp0ckk, it's that simple.
20:04.01durcynsp0ckk: what addon are we talking about here
20:04.06MatsyWoW "says" that every addon is sandboxed.
20:04.09sp0ckkDuman, Zygor Guides
20:04.12LopeppeppyAddons ARE safe, 3rd party programs aren't.  They are different, entirely.
20:04.13MatsyBut, that's not entirely true.
20:04.18sp0ckkdurcyn, Zygor Guide
20:04.18MatsyNo.
20:04.27MatsyAddons aren't completely safe either
20:04.32dardacksigh http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/1711203/Java-Gets-New-Garbage-Collector-But-Only-If-You-Buy-Support?art_pos=2
20:04.33MatsyThere are many buffer overflow positions.
20:04.40Lopeppeppyhas to laugh.
20:04.52durcynsp0ckk: ffs, just use tourguide and be done with it
20:05.02LopeppeppyWe all need tinfoil hats and we need to delete our game, it's that simple.
20:05.03sp0ckkwhat's tourguide?
20:05.12MatsyIt has been proven that Addons have been able to access memory data of WoW.
20:05.15LopeppeppyTourguide is a fully legitimate addon with no bullcrap.
20:05.16sp0ckkLopeppeppy, I've already got the infoil hat
20:05.28MatsyWhich also means that they can execute arbitrary commands.
20:05.30LopeppeppyI use Tourguide, Tomtom and Lightheaded, it's pretty easy.
20:05.45sp0ckkSo tourguide is an in-game guide system that will walk you through quests and direct you using tomTom (or something to that effect)?
20:06.14MatsyGet Carbonite?
20:06.15Matsy;o
20:06.16durcynit's an in-game power levelling guide, yes
20:06.32durcynfuck carbonite, carbonite makes CHAT_MSG_ADDON look like an aol chat room
20:06.56sp0ckkit hasn't even got wraith guides yet
20:06.58dardacki use questhelper, but tourguide is better?
20:07.11Lukiantourguide is a guide
20:07.25Lukiandesigned to be efficient (I think) and thus some guides skip quests
20:07.25sp0ckkquesthelper is good too
20:07.37MatsyQuesthelper is too bloat.
20:07.40MatsyAt least, imo
20:07.47mikmabloathelper
20:07.54dardackqh doesn't seem to affect my performance on or off
20:07.57durcynZorbaTHut: you gonna take that sitting down?
20:07.59NightHawkTheSan1wonders what happened to the addons "CommonSense™" and "MakeUpYourOwnFuckingMind™" :P
20:08.11LopeppeppySeriously, NHTS.
20:08.11MatsySeriously
20:08.21MatsyHaving Questhelper on lowers my FPS by 60.
20:08.59LopeppeppyI've never had an issue with Questhelper either, so YMMV, obviously.  But there are fully legitimate non-dodgy addons to do what dodgy stuff does.
20:09.02dardacknot for me, anyways, was just curious
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20:09.12dardackagrees with Lopeppeppy
20:09.33Cidedurcyn: and who cares about CHAT_MSG_ADDON, besides you know, addons?
20:09.54MatsyI was wondering about that too.
20:09.58MatsyWhy do you even watch that ;p
20:11.17NightHawkTheSan1http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/05/29/fuck-you-amazon
20:11.49Lopeppeppysighs.
20:12.37durcynMatsy: there are edge cases where excessive addon and combatlog traffic can lead to desyncs or disconnects, though i'll admit it's probably the last place to look
20:12.54MatsyThat's true, though.
20:13.07Matsy"Via Feministing", obviously.
20:13.42Cidedurcyn: extremely excessive
20:13.55AckisWorko tanks want expertise?
20:14.01Cidefor example
20:14.02AckisWorkor armor pen?
20:14.15durcynCide: that, and i like to know when people are screwing around playing peggle or such during raids
20:14.22durcyni've caught a few so far
20:14.30NightHawkTheSan1hah.. 15 sexiest vintage ads: http://www.oddee.com/item_96674.aspx
20:14.37MatsyHahahaha
20:14.50MatsyAre you serious?
20:14.52MatsyThey're playing peggle?
20:15.08durcynnot everyone is enthusiastic about clearing trash, Matsy
20:15.16Matsy...
20:15.19MatsyAnd that with the lack of trash nowadays.
20:15.29durcynfreya, vezax, for example
20:15.34NightHawkTheSan1i mix drinks during trash. :P
20:15.46Cideit took several minutes of being the main tank in a 40 man onyxia raid and sending a message for every health & mana update (every VALUE update, not PERCENT update) of the main tank itself and his 4 party members as well as onyxia
20:15.47MatsyUh.
20:15.49Cidebefore being disconnected
20:15.52MatsyDoes anyone have a proper torrent site?
20:15.58Cidethat says something about the threshold
20:16.04MatsyMy newsgroups don't have: Stockholm: An Exploration of True Love.
20:16.07NightHawkTheSan1"proper"?
20:16.09Cideso I doubt carbonite does that
20:16.12MatsyYes.
20:16.13MatsyLike, a good one.
20:16.17durcynCide: the last number i heard was 200 cps, which is probably bogus
20:16.18MatsyI'm not into torrents, really.
20:16.29LopeppeppyLysol...
20:16.29Cidechat messages per second?
20:16.34durcyncharacters
20:16.43Cidethat was from the stupid chat limiter addon?
20:16.47durcyntranslate that into bytes at your own peril
20:16.48durcyncould've been
20:16.55Cideyeah, those were very strict
20:17.02Cideand completely theoretical
20:17.13Kirov200 cps?  I type faster than that
20:17.21Matsyhaha
20:17.21CideI do ~210 wps
20:18.07KirovI've seen people blast some pretty large sets of macros (for things like raid instructions, fuck you I'm leaving the guild, etc.) with out getting disconnected.
20:18.13KirovWay more than 200cps
20:18.23Cideactually, at a .3mm/character font, I type ~210 lyps (that's light years/second, people.)
20:18.26KirovMaybe, 200cps sustained over some time?
20:18.28MatsyI'd believe only Carbonite does more than that.
20:18.30Cideerr, .3cm/character font
20:18.42alestaneOkay, Colonp was way nastier than I was.
20:18.59LopeppeppyDoesn't mean you shouldn't fix yours.
20:19.01Kirovok, wtf does carbonited need to send out that much data for?
20:19.18MatsyEh
20:19.19MatsyQuest data.
20:19.24MatsyAnd, location data.
20:19.26Cideum
20:19.30Cidequest data can be stored locally
20:19.30LopeppeppyIt
20:19.34Cideand is?
20:19.35MatsyCide.
20:19.36LopeppeppyIt's chatty.  *shrug*
20:19.41MatsyThey're sent over the realm
20:19.41CideMatsy.
20:19.42MatsyTo everyone
20:19.48MatsySo you can view other's quest data?
20:19.49Cidenot the full quest data
20:19.50Kirovquest data should only update when, you know, it changes.
20:19.57MatsyNono.
20:19.59Cideyou'd only have to send the *id's* you have
20:20.11Cideand you realize it doesn't even have to be often
20:20.17MatsyAnd also the progress.
20:20.21MatsyBut if you have a whole realm
20:20.22Cidestill not often
20:20.23MatsyIt's quite a lot.
20:20.35Cidereceiving 200cps and transmitting 200cps are two very different things
20:20.36MatsyMostly recieved data, though.
20:20.41MatsyYesh.
20:20.55MatsyI thought this was about the total cps ;p
20:21.00MatsyNever mind my comments.. :(
20:21.24Cideso don't "<name>." me again
20:21.29Cidepsh.
20:21.37Matsy:(
20:21.55Cidedid I mention javascript sucks?
20:22.11MatsyI don't think you have
20:22.17Cidejavascript SUCKS.
20:22.32MatsyHow so? ;o
20:22.49AckisWorks/SUCKS./is the best!/
20:23.06Cidethe browsers' compliance is terrible
20:23.11CideI'm mostly talking about the DOM here
20:23.37MatsyAre you talking about the difference between IE / (Any other browser?)
20:23.42MatsyBecause then yes, I agree.
20:23.48Cideit's not only IE
20:23.58sp0ckkJust out of interest... what does the DOM and browser support for JavaScript have to do with the language its self?
20:24.02Cidebut IE is the main offender, yes
20:24.12Cidesp0ckk: it's the only thing you use it for (more or less)
20:24.18NightHawkTheSan1there's some notable differences between firefox and webkit
20:24.25MatsyTrue
20:24.35Cideand it's way easier to say "javascript sucks" than "browsers' compliance with ECMAScript sucks!"
20:24.40MatsyBut, IE is even more different.
20:24.48Cideand libraries also suck
20:24.50Adysjavascript sucks monkeyfucks
20:24.55MatsyIt fails to include even the easiest standards.
20:24.57NightHawkTheSan1Cide: well, javascript sucks on its own. :P
20:24.57sp0ckkCide, that doesn't mean the language is bad.
20:25.00Cidejquery is really bug-ridden
20:25.08Cidesp0ckk: yes, yes it does
20:25.23sp0ckkfeel free to explain why.
20:25.31Cidewho wants to use a language where everyone needs to bash his/her head against a wall, regardless of the cause?
20:25.33CideNOBODY.
20:25.46MatsyLike, Visual Basic.
20:25.47Cidea language that nobody wants to use sucks, regardless of cause
20:26.02CideQED
20:26.12Cidealso
20:26.22Cideit has shitty looping constructs
20:26.26Cideand shitty introspection capabilities
20:26.36sp0ckk"no body wants to use" - you're one individual.
20:26.46Cidesp0ckk: ask the channel?
20:26.53AdysJS SUCKS
20:26.54MatsyToo bad there isn't any other choice.
20:27.05MatsyI'm vouching for a Python / Perl implementation in browsers.
20:27.10Cideperl?
20:27.12MatsyGogogo
20:27.25Cidethe best solution is something akin to silverlight
20:27.35theorbtwoCan you name a project that's written in javascript that doesn't target a browser, where there's no other choice?
20:27.38Cidetoo bad it's not widespread
20:27.41sp0ckkOK, so a channel with how many people in it? 173 people? Right, so 173 out of, let's say world-wide, a few million web developers? Sorry, not convinced.
20:27.50MatsyI use Silverlight myself, really
20:27.59LopeppeppyWhat happened to Common Sense and Making Up Your Own Mind?
20:28.00Cidesp0ckk: you realize there's this thing called "sampling"?
20:28.01MatsyBut, it just wouldn't work with non-microsoft OS.
20:28.16MatsyI can, actually.
20:28.35Cidethere's a (very) strong chance most people in the world would agree (disregarding decisions based on cultures etc) if the whole channel here agreed
20:28.37MatsyOh, where there's no other choice.
20:28.39MatsyNo :(
20:28.39sp0ckkCide, Sure. I also get the feeling you dislike JS because of your poor understanding of it.
20:28.47Cidesp0ckk: poor understanding? how come?
20:28.51LopeppeppyLet's not make personal attacks...
20:28.56sp0ckkI've not had the issues you've mentioned.
20:28.57Cideit's okay
20:29.05Cidesp0ckk: have you used it for web development?
20:29.11sp0ckkI've written some very complex JS applications.
20:29.31Cidecomplex standalone JS applications are perfectly fine
20:29.35sp0ckkAnd they've worked in multiple browsers. OK, they required minor tweaks, but not entire re-writes.
20:29.44Cidemost browsers even support the core of javascript really well
20:29.56Cideit's javascript's interaction with the DOM that I'm targetting
20:30.00CideI've not said anything else
20:30.01NightHawkTheSan1http://vaartaaha.blogspot.com/2009/05/7-natural-wonders-of-world.html
20:30.11sp0ckkso really, as you keep pointing out, your issue is with the browsers, not the language
20:30.11CideI did say something else in the beginning, indeed, but I clarified that
20:30.18Cidesp0ckk: yes
20:30.29sp0ckkwhich is what I said, and you attacked me?
20:30.33Cidehave you seen me say "IE sucks"?
20:30.47sp0ckkI said, right from the beeing your issue is with the browsers, not the language and you expressed the language sucked.
20:30.48CideI never attacked you; feel free to point out where I did
20:31.01Cidesp0ckk: I told you why it sucks
20:31.16sp0ckkNot directly. Please re-state.
20:31.23Cidegrep "QED"
20:31.54Cideand no, I find the language itself to be mostly fine
20:32.04sp0ckkSo, because "no body" (you) doesn't want to use the language, the language sucks?
20:32.08Fisker-this is madness
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20:32.25Cidesp0ckk: because nobody wants to use it, it sucks, yes
20:32.27sp0ckkNow you're contradicting your self?
20:32.28LopeppeppyI actually... agree with Fisker-.
20:32.33Cidesp0ckk: how so?
20:32.36Cidemeh
20:32.40Lopeppeppy~Lopeppeppy -
20:32.41sp0ckk*sigh*
20:32.46Cidediscussions are fun
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20:32.53CideLopeppeppy: nice!
20:33.06sp0ckkCide, not when only one individual in the conversation has a clue
20:33.17Cidesp0ckk: I have plenty of clues
20:33.34Lopeppeppysp0ckk, that's more of the personal attack versus discussion I was mentioning before.  Attack a programming language, not a person.
20:33.44LopeppeppyDebate, it's what's for dinner.
20:33.56LopeppeppyY'all enjoy dinner, I'm headed home.  See ya later, or Sunday, or something.  :)
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20:34.07CideI understand you love javascript and all and want to make babies with it, which is fine
20:34.09sp0ckkNo, I'll just go play WoW. The NPCs grant better debates
20:34.13sp0ckk;D
20:34.19Cideoh no
20:34.25CideI'm so offended
20:34.29Cideand clueless
20:34.36Cidebut you clearly haven't used it for any kind of web development
20:34.41foxlit"alestane: It sets the "frameref-"..refname attribute to the frame's safe handle." << Looks like it passes nil as value. Could of course just be me
20:34.43Cideand I already stated I have nothing against the language
20:34.54Cideso it seems you're arguing something I'm not arguing against
20:35.00|pez|It's so fun when some applications depend on javascript...
20:35.17Cidebut indeed; only one individual in the conversation has a clue
20:35.21sp0ckkIt seems these Zygor Guides are pretty fancy,
20:35.27Cide|pez|: on the web?
20:35.33|pez|Cide: Yes, on the web.
20:35.57CideI'd call people with javascript disabled and/or people with a browser with no javascript support... outdated
20:36.00sp0ckkJust like an application depending on an OS. Crap aint it? Bloody language that is.
20:36.09Cidehaha
20:36.12Cidethis is pretty funny
20:36.26Cidethat argument made so much sense I'm going to.. nothing. since it didn't.
20:36.34sp0ckkTo hate a web application depending on JavaScript makes no sense. It's simply a requirement of the application.
20:36.45Cideor are you telling |pez| she didn't make sense?
20:36.52Cidein which case I retract my previous statement
20:37.05Cidewhich it seems you are. my mistake.
20:37.17|pez|blinks
20:37.21sp0ckkCide, , not a problem.
20:37.35|pez|Text-to-speech browsers, do they support javascript?
20:37.42|pez|For blind people and all.
20:37.45NightHawkTheSan1don't accessibility standards dictate graceful degredation in non-js-compatable browsers?
20:37.56Cideif you care about accessibility, sure
20:37.58NightHawkTheSan1degradation*
20:38.01Cide|pez|: most should
20:38.06|pez|Cide: Alrighty then.
20:38.07NightHawkTheSan1compatible*
20:38.08Cidejavascript alters the webpage you're viewing
20:38.28Cideso you could just re-speak the text-to-speech
20:38.38|pez|But if javascript for whatever reason breaks, the application should have some gracefull fallback functionality. Not just not work.
20:38.45Cidemaybe they *don't* support it, but that seems like a limitation
20:38.55Cide|pez|: the website itself could just as well break
20:38.55durcyngraceful degredation is a myth
20:38.59Cideif something breaks, it breaks
20:39.09Cideif it breaks because the browser sucks, get a better browser
20:39.20Cideif it breaks because the programmer is a fool, the programmer is a fool
20:39.23durcyni do probably half of my browsing in elinks, and i'm here to tell you most web developers are assholes when it comes to non-graphical browsers
20:39.28|pez|Cide: tell the people still using IE6 that XD
20:39.38CideIE6 can go to hell
20:39.42Cideand so can the people using it
20:39.44End^
20:39.45NightHawkTheSan1Cide: those two statements are not mutually exclusive though
20:39.52CideNightHawkTheSan1: which two statements?
20:39.53sp0ckkOK, so if a web application uses JavaScript and requires it, it should make accounts for individuals with accessibility needs? No, sorry, it should not. I'm all up for accessibility but there are cases when it's not possible.
20:40.13Endthe browser could suck and the programmer could be a fool at the same time
20:40.14NightHawkTheSan1Cide: breaking due to a browser vs breaking due to a programmer
20:40.29CideNightHawkTheSan1: what would it break because of otherwise?
20:40.32Endthat's when you need to replace the programmer and the browser!
20:40.36End;-p
20:40.49Cideor just the browser, since the programmer is a fool (like previously stated) and coded it for IE5
20:40.54NightHawkTheSan1sp0ckk: all government web applications require FULL accessibility by law, in that case, there is no such thing as "not possible"
20:41.02KirovI'd love to see something like NFL.com stop working if IE5 or IE6 was being used.
20:41.07Cidegovernment web applications don't need to dynamically alter the page
20:41.20Cideand if you don't need to dynamically alter the page, graceful degradation is trivial
20:41.24|pez|sp0ckk: Let's agree to disagree. So I can go make pancakes!
20:41.27NightHawkTheSan1why not? there's no reason they can't be as robust as any other.
20:41.35AckisWorkNightHawkTheSan1: I'm in gov't and we have IE6 here
20:41.35sp0ckkNightHawkTheSan1, in what country?
20:41.36AckisWorklol
20:41.43Cideit can be robust without dynamically altering a page
20:41.47Cidei.e. requiring a page load.
20:41.59theorbtwoUsing JS doesn't mean accessability is impossible, by a long shot.
20:42.11Cidedynamically altering a page means it's a lot more difficult
20:42.11NightHawkTheSan1theorbtwo: also true.
20:42.15foxlitgrr
20:42.20theorbtwoquiet
20:42.22foxlitCan't pass secure frame refs out of the secure environment
20:42.26foxlitThey're just nil-replaced :(
20:42.34theorbtwoGah, sorry.  Script not working right.
20:42.37sp0ckkNightHawkTheSan1, what if it's an internal application? I know a chap who works for the Welsh council as a senior network admin and I can assure you their internal, Java based systems aren't accessibility freidnly :)
20:42.43NightHawkTheSan1sp0ckk: US.
20:42.54sp0ckkNightHawkTheSan1, I'm in the UK.
20:43.10zenzelezzif Americans can do it, so can Brits
20:43.11NightHawkTheSan1i can't speak for non-us governments, i'm not versed in their web accessibility laws.
20:43.34Cideaccessibility is for retards.
20:43.34sp0ckkagreed, you are not :)
20:43.34Cideget it?
20:43.35Cidehahaha I'm so bored
20:43.35sp0ckkCidan_, haha
20:43.39sp0ckkCide*
20:44.20sp0ckki can't be bothered with "seperating the presentational logical from the mark up and keeping the business logic abstract from the model"
20:44.29sp0ckkI'll keep using my tables for layout, thanks.
20:44.35Cideouch
20:44.37sp0ckkafter all, no one visit the pages i make anyway
20:44.43Cidetables really do suck
20:44.44sp0ckkbecause they're for me. no one else lol
20:44.46NightHawkTheSan1the world will be a happier place when you finally die, then :P
20:44.47Cidestandards or no standards
20:44.53sp0ckkCide, and they work, absolutely fine
20:44.56Cideagreed
20:45.00CideI was a big fan
20:45.06Cidebut ultimately they're messy
20:45.12Cideimo, anyway
20:45.30sp0ckki agree. but when your site gets one hit a day (you) then what difference does it make?
20:45.33NightHawkTheSan1the sad thing is, once you know what your doing, it takes no more time to do a sane css layout than it does a table layout
20:45.36Cideagreed
20:45.45sp0ckkNightHawkTheSan1, well yeah, it does.
20:45.51Cideit kinda does
20:45.55sp0ckkbecause you have to get it working in every browser if you want that level of support.
20:45.58Cidewhen IE, again, can't comply with SHIT
20:46.16Cidehence: CSS sucks
20:46.19Cide;)
20:46.31Cideget it, sp0ckk?
20:46.33NightHawkTheSan1well, if you're going to be belligerent about using tables, then you canbe belligerent about using standards, and just say fuck anyone who doesn't comply
20:46.36Cidereally funny.
20:47.00nicoli_scss doesnt suck at all
20:47.03nicoli_scss fucking rocks
20:47.03sp0ckkCide, i hate your face :P
20:47.10Cidewow
20:47.14durcynpro tip: don't try to out-troll Cide
20:47.19durcynit just doesn't work
20:47.22NightHawkTheSan1Cide's face is pretty hate worthy
20:47.27Cidenow there's a bright thought
20:47.34sp0ckki aint trolling him, i'm having a freidnly debate,
20:47.34Fisker-you're right Cide
20:47.37nicoli_si;m not trolling anything, im just saying
20:47.39Fisker-IE can't comply with SHIT
20:47.45CideI'm not trolling anything either
20:47.50Fisker-I wouldn't comply with shit either
20:47.52Matsy...
20:47.53Fisker-seems kinda dirty
20:47.55MatsyWhat
20:47.58MatsyIt's still going?
20:48.49sp0ckki like rubbing yoghurt onto my nipples and letting my cat lick it off... in an accessible fashion. That is, laying down so my nipples are ACCESSIBLE by the cat. Fin.
20:49.11MatsyThat's better ;p
20:49.42CideFisker-: let me offer you a suggestion
20:50.31Cideen·e·ma   (ĕn'ə-mə) n.
20:50.31Cide1. The injection of liquid into the rectum through the anus for cleansing, for stimulating evacuation of the bowels, or for other therapeutic or diagnostic purposes.
20:50.31Cide2. The fluid so injected.
20:51.39nicoli_si remember seeing the episode of bullshit where they paid some guy to get a colonic/enema, was prerryt hilarious
20:51.41foxlithttp://pastey.net/115083 << horrible
20:52.01TecnoBratwhat the hell is going on in here?
20:52.08foxlitI need some mechanic of translating a FrameRef to an actual frame.
20:52.14foxlitAnd taking it out of the secure environment.
20:52.20TecnoBratenemas, cats licking yoghurt off nipples
20:52.27TecnoBratyou guys are some weird people
20:52.33nicoli_sthey is
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20:53.04durcynTecnoBrat: seriously, who spells yogurt with an H?
20:53.11Cideswedes
20:53.15Cideare you hating on swedes?
20:53.18MatsyDutch.
20:54.31TecnoBratapparently the UK spelling
20:54.41TecnoBratas a Canadian, I should have said yogourt
20:55.00CideI don't think so
20:55.12CideI believe you're looking for yogourteh
20:55.16TecnoBratlol
20:55.18nicoli_sor the french spelling, whic his something like yaaourt
20:55.37Brunersyogurt is the correct way
20:55.50Cidecorrect? in a language context?
20:56.02Cidewhat are you, american?
20:56.04nicoli_syaourt*
20:56.07Brunersugg,, yoghurt
20:56.21Brunersfailing to spell when spelling is nice
20:57.09NightHawkTheSan1i prefer to spell it 'curdled milk' :P
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20:59.52AckisWorkthose argent tourney dailies, what's the zone name for the one where you do the jousting to kill the commander/etc
20:59.59TecnoBrataccording to wikipedia (yes yes, I know) its yogurt in the US, yoghurt in the UK, AU and NZ and yoghourt in Canada
21:00.21NightHawkTheSan1Court of Bones is the subzone name
21:00.27AckisWorkty NightHawkTheSan1
21:01.03sp0ckkThis Zygor addon is pretty sweet
21:01.09sp0ckkmy tits are on fire it's that good
21:01.46Cideare you female?
21:02.13MatsyDon't guys have tits too? ;p
21:02.15Cideor morbidly obese?
21:02.40CideMatsy: I believe that would be the latter case I just mentioned, or they shall be called "nipples"
21:03.06TecnoBratonly fat men have tits .. hmm
21:03.10TecnoBratyou are probably right
21:03.41Cideplease.
21:05.12MatsyThat stupid DVD
21:05.13MatsyThose feminists were bashing
21:05.19MatsyIs like, even more stupid than I thought
21:05.33MatsyAll you have to do is poison some ugly girls and rape 'em
21:05.36MatsyLike, all the time
21:05.47MatsyWhat's up with that <:
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21:12.08neotroncheck the 18 customer images: http://www.amazon.com/ACI-Gift-Cards-Inc-Amazon-com/dp/B001GXRQW0/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header
21:12.13neotronuser/usability fail
21:13.05KarlKFIlol
21:13.24KarlKFIhttp://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d0/33/7b35810ae7a0f9822d911210.L.png
21:13.36KarlKFIi almost want to use that for my aim icon
21:13.56KarlKFIor maybe crop it a bit for a hard drive icon
21:14.14neotronit's somewhat amusing that people upload "customer images" and a caption and expect it to be on the gift card itself
21:17.45kneekiWell, that's odd
21:17.59kneekiIf I reload my UI, my texture level goes awry
21:18.07kneekibut, on a fresh login it's just fine
21:19.36durcynkneeki: login events != reload events
21:20.42kneekihmm
21:21.00kneekiJust creating a frame during ADDON_LOADED
21:21.48Fisker-i love you durcyn :3
21:22.04durcyni love you too Fisker-
21:22.37durcynkneeki: does that even fire on a reload?  PLAYER_LOGIN seems like a better idea
21:22.45kneekiooo
21:22.47kneekiGood point
21:22.54kneekiI'll check
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21:38.57kneekiMoving the code to PLAYER_LOGIN made no difference
21:38.59kneekibah
21:40.24CidePLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD go
21:40.43Cidepretty sure ADDON_LOADED fires on reload tho
21:40.49Cideso most likely your issue is with.. YOU
21:40.55Cideor, your code, to put it more nicely
21:41.05cbreakit should fire when ever the addon's saved vars are loaded
21:41.10kneekiI have no doubt ;)
21:41.11cbreakso it should fire on reload
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21:41.38kneekiPLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD = same result
21:41.55durcynsounds like your code is bad
21:42.00kneekiNonsense
21:42.23cbreakload and reload should be exactly the same.
21:42.33kneekihttp://www.wowi.pastey.net/115088
21:42.39kneekiThat's the snippet, in the root of the Lua file
21:42.52kneekiWorks fine when you log in, but once you /reload, the backdrop is not being set
21:43.10kneekimoving the backdrop code to ADDON_LOADED, PLAYER_LOGIN, or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD has no change
21:43.37kneekiIt may be with the 'eliete' frame on the blizzard target frame
21:43.54kneekiIt looks like it's being written behind the dragon after a reload, instead of in front
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21:49.29l337f00lanyone around ?
21:49.40zenzelezzprobably
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21:50.36l337f00lnot sure if this is the right place, but I'm trying to install WoW on my Ubuntu laptop but can't seem to get past the EULA
21:50.55krkafor ideological reasons?
21:50.59cbreakit might be hard for you as freedom loving linux user, but you'll have to accept it :(
21:52.42l337f00llol, I had it installed a week ago, but my system got b0rked and had to reinstall, now after the updates for linux can't get past the ULA lol
21:53.04Gnarfozl337f00l: you need gecko
21:53.05zenzelezzwell, does it give any errors?
21:53.07Gnarfozfor wine
21:53.08Gnarfozthingy
21:53.24l337f00lyeah I have gecko installed
21:53.36Gnarfozthen I don't know.
21:53.37Gnarfoz:D
21:53.48Gnarfozbother Adys or kd3 or one of the other linux nuts :p
21:54.01l337f00lI get to the bottom of the ULA and the accept button is still grayed out, I went to the ubuntu channel here, but they seem to be ignoring me
21:54.05Adysl337f00l: upgrade to wine-1.1.22
21:54.06cbreakwell
21:54.09Adysthis bug has been fixed months ago
21:54.11cbreakwhy don't you change wtf?
21:54.16Adysno cbreak
21:54.16l337f00lI see
21:54.20Adyshes talking about another eula
21:54.23l337f00lok I'll look for wine
21:54.33Adysl337f00l: http://www.winehq.org/download
21:54.35cbreakthere are more than one?
21:54.46Adyscbreak: yes, there is an EULA at the install
21:54.51l337f00lthank you Adys
21:55.04cbreakoh. interesting.
21:55.11cbreakI haven't installed WoW in ages.
21:55.23Adysthe ingame eula uses wow's html engine
21:55.31Adysnot mshtml
21:55.46cbreakyou could install the mac version... :)
21:55.52cbreakprobably uses webkit
21:56.13Adysthe installer is a totally different app on mac os
21:56.21l337f00lI also grabbed the web installer, but I'll try the newer wine first
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22:05.35l337f00lthat worked Adys thanks again for the help ... I'm installing now
22:05.40Adysnp
22:07.10alestanefoxlit: From outside the secure environment, I think you can call GetFrameHandleFrame(handle) to get the original frame.
22:07.27foxlitBut I don't have a handle to begin with
22:07.37foxlitIt's stuck inside the secure environment.
22:07.41alestaneThat's what SetFrameRef sets the attribute value to.
22:08.04foxlitHm, perhaps.
22:08.19foxlitThe onattribute snippet fires with a nil value, but that may just be excessive scrubbing
22:08.51KasoAnyone know a map-coordinates addon that does *just* that nothing else?
22:09.25durcynKaso: statblocks_coords shoves it in an LDB feed
22:09.31alestaneYes, GetFrameHandleFrrame is global and non-protected, and yes, I think the scrubber is overzealous about scrubbing arguments...the parameter may be nil, but you should still be able to retrieve the actual handle via :GetAttribute().
22:09.51NightHawkTheSan1Kaso: search wowi for "coordinates"?
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22:30.40mikmaanyone knows what addon spams "*** Has been awarded with item ***" in raid and guild?
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22:35.53neotronxloot can do it
22:36.09neotronbut run a grep :P
22:36.35durcynmikma: nrt spams it by default
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22:53.55mikmathe problem was that i don't have the addon. other person had
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23:25.55MagsHow would one go about making an addon that would have some chat pop up on your screen when a certain player doesn't have a select buff?
23:26.10ronghailsmartbuff
23:26.18MagsMy guilds MT keeps yellin at me for not keeping Commanding Shout up on bosses
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23:31.01Adyshttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/29/1711203/Java-Gets-New-Garbage-Collector-But-Only-If-You-Buy-Support?from=rss
23:31.07Adysfirst comment
23:31.09AdysHA HA HA.
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23:43.10foxlitHm, the DK starter area has issues at low population
23:43.32sacarascWhat issues?
23:43.50foxlitarmies of scarlet ghouls
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23:50.45dardack_dang left the work one one
23:51.53dardack_!seen airtonix
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