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| 00:03.49 | alestane | There, finally beat that damn mission. |
| 00:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 00:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaay! |
| 00:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It sucks. |
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| 00:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The next one is somewhat easier, in the sense that it is less one-sided in terms of tech |
| 00:06.04 | alestane | Actually, a squad and a half of mutalisks sufficed, once I got that first turret out of the way...they could get into the base's underbelly and basically just gut it. |
| 00:06.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, starcraft. |
| 00:06.37 | Lopeppeppy | Black sheep wall. |
| 00:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | Show me the money. |
| 00:06.44 | alestane | Siege tanks are basically helpless against air-to-ground. |
| 00:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | I forget all the others. |
| 00:07.05 | ScytheBlade1 | yup @ getting into the base |
| 00:08.13 | durcyn | what? siege tank passengers have AA |
| 00:08.22 | durcyn | wait, you're talking SC, not flame leviathan |
| 00:08.46 | ZorbaTHut | durcyn demonstrates the problem with blizzard's tendency to reuse item and ability names ;) |
| 00:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | Um, yup. |
| 00:09.06 | durcyn | ZorbaTHut: or my inability to read scrollback worth a damn. |
| 00:12.48 | Arrowmaster | oh that was stupid, an anubisath sentinel got stuck on terain and reset then came over and killed me |
| 00:13.35 | ZorbaTHut | we had a pack of Flame Leviathan choppers get evadebugged yesterday |
| 00:13.49 | ZorbaTHut | then when we were prepping for XT-002 they woke up, flew down to us, and wiped the raid |
| 00:13.51 | ZorbaTHut | it was sad. |
| 00:14.03 | ZorbaTHut | luckily they despawned afterward |
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| 00:14.51 | Arrowmaster | i havent even stepped foot inside ulduar yet |
| 00:15.22 | ZorbaTHut | ulduar is pretty neat imho |
| 00:20.28 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 00:21.40 | KarlKFI | we did Flame Leviathan - Hodir last night, furthest we've gone in one day so far, but then we get plagued with attendance issues and dont make progress the rest of the week |
| 00:22.08 | KarlKFI | Got up to General in 10man last week tho |
| 00:25.18 | KarlKFI | aren't they Seige Engines, not Seige Tanks? |
| 00:25.43 | KarlKFI | blame alestane |
| 00:26.54 | alestane | ....*moi*? |
| 00:27.09 | KarlKFI | not your fault, but we're blaming you |
| 00:27.44 | alestane | One of my students was wearing that shirt on Monday..."I didn't say it was your fault; I said I was going to BLAME you." |
| 00:28.28 | Lopeppeppy | That's my shirt. |
| 00:28.53 | alestane | I wonder when they had time to go to Albany and raid your dresser, then. |
| 00:29.31 | gparent | Hey there. New with WoW's API and trying to make an addon to sell gray items on demand, however I can't seem to figure out how to test if a vendor window is currently open |
| 00:29.43 | gparent | WoWWiki's page doesn't seem to mention it either unless I'm blind |
| 00:29.46 | gparent | Any ideas? |
| 00:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | Have you checked how other similar addons do it? |
| 00:30.11 | gparent | Well I've came back from WoW a few days ago so I don't really remember addon names that much, did you have a specific one in mind? |
| 00:30.12 | Stanzilla | frame:RegisterEvent("MERCHANT_SHOW") |
| 00:30.12 | gparent | I'd be glad to |
| 00:30.41 | gparent | I'll check merchant events, thanks for the hint |
| 00:31.02 | Lopeppeppy | I searched for "junk" on WoW Interface. The Inventory mod ones are likely to be useful. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php |
| 00:31.10 | KarlKFI | WTS http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8223-Scrap.html |
| 00:31.25 | gparent | Well that's going to be helpful :) |
| 00:34.35 | Ackis | who's in charge of lua_bot? |
| 00:34.51 | alestane | jnwhiteh, I think. |
| 00:34.58 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 00:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn! |
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| 01:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: if you could, add an "Installer" product when you get the chance |
| 01:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | *project, I guess |
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| 01:06.18 | gparent | Well my addon works. |
| 01:06.18 | gparent | Wee. |
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| 01:08.16 | kd3 | oh, gack. |
| 01:08.30 | kd3 | just created a new playlist... fit on my ipod with ~20 megs to spare |
| 01:09.10 | durcyn | Shadowed: you still maintaining that Expiration branch? |
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| 01:14.04 | Cavisty^gerber | Shadowed, you there? I here you got a working Expiration |
| 01:14.10 | Cavisty^gerber | hear |
| 01:15.19 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I will |
| 01:24.00 | Shirik | hey guys, isn't there a command in vim |
| 01:24.08 | Thunder_Child | there are many |
| 01:24.09 | Shirik | to go to the matching brace? |
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| 01:27.21 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, % ? |
| 01:27.22 | durcyn | Shirik: % |
| 01:27.24 | durcyn | ffs. |
| 01:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: google 'vim matching brace'? |
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| 01:36.25 | Shirik | thanks |
| 01:36.28 | Shirik | and no, google failed me |
| 01:36.32 | Shirik | came up with all kinds of scripts, etc. |
| 01:36.40 | Shirik | but I did find http://tnerual.eriogerg.free.fr/vimqrc.pdf |
| 01:47.18 | Kaso | hmm, Netbeans 6.1's GUI Builder automatically generates depreciated code |
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| 01:48.22 | nicoli_s | working as intended |
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| 01:51.10 | Kaso | Pretty poor show when sun can't even obey their own depreciation warnings |
| 01:55.49 | Shadowed | Cavisty^gerber durcyn: yea |
| 01:56.00 | Shadowed | if by maintain you mean, it worked when I last used it, and i haven't heard any bugs |
| 01:56.13 | Shadowed | but I'm not raiding so haven't tested it extensively |
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| 01:59.24 | Cavisty^gerber | Shadowed, I get AddOns\Blizzard_CombatLog\Blizzard_CombatLog.lua: 1869: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'r' (a nil value) |
| 01:59.49 | Cavisty^gerber | there is text before AddOns but i can't see it |
| 02:02.05 | Shadowed | k |
| 02:02.42 | Shadowed | do me a favor and post it on comments on WoWI or Curse or whatever |
| 02:02.49 | Shadowed | and I'll get to it when I have a chance, have other mods I need to get working right now |
| 02:06.17 | Shirik | Kaso: Who uses netbeans 6.1 still |
| 02:06.22 | Shirik | at least go to 6.5 |
| 02:06.26 | Shirik | but do yourself a favor and go to 6.7 instead |
| 02:06.52 | Kaso | Im lazy and will upgrade when my repo upgrades ;p |
| 02:07.55 | Kaso | f11 has 6.5 on it though, so come 2nd of june i'll upgrade |
| 02:09.35 | Kaso | 6.7 is still in beta isnt it? |
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| 02:20.33 | Cairenn | WOOOOOT! |
| 02:22.25 | mikma | wat? |
| 02:22.40 | Cairenn | going to the finals! going to the finals! WOOOT!!! |
| 02:22.52 | mikma | finals of what? |
| 02:22.59 | kd3 | orlando just win? |
| 02:23.02 | Cairenn | duh, what country do I live in? |
| 02:23.13 | mikma | oh NHL? |
| 02:23.14 | Cairenn | hockey, heLLO? |
| 02:23.17 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:23.30 | Cairenn | GO WINGS! |
| 02:24.07 | Thunder_Child | they must be paladins |
| 02:24.29 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:25.12 | mikma | now they will all bubble+hs |
| 02:25.21 | Thunder_Child | on skates |
| 02:25.31 | Thunder_Child | oh lol, pallies on ice |
| 02:25.36 | Thunder_Child | pallys*? |
| 02:25.39 | mikma | path of frost |
| 02:26.24 | Thunder_Child | we just turned Cairenn's choice of sports into another aspect of WoW...so geeky |
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| 02:26.48 | mikma | easy |
| 02:27.05 | Thunder_Child | well it's not something i usualy try |
| 02:27.20 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:27.23 | Shirik | rawr |
| 02:27.28 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 02:27.38 | Shirik | huggles Gryphon |
| 02:27.41 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik |
| 02:27.48 | kd3 | eesh, sata3's out |
| 02:27.57 | kd3 | 6gbps... wth |
| 02:28.20 | Shirik | because hard drives can totally work at that speed |
| 02:29.25 | Arrowmaster | Failed to read file Interface\WorldMap\WorldMapPartyIcon.blp. |
| 02:30.34 | Primer | ZorbaTHut: so, I had to remove AstrolabeQH since it references QuestHelper...perhaps you told me this but I didn't quite get what you meant |
| 02:30.43 | Primer | or not |
| 02:31.07 | Primer | I put upstream Astrolabe in...anyhow, QH didn't get me instance distances anyhow |
| 02:32.18 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't know it did, but it doesn't surprise me either |
| 02:34.11 | Primer | Luckily I had a friend test it before I released it |
| 02:34.17 | Primer | he didn't have QH, so it bombed |
| 02:34.32 | Primer | I also found the LibAboutPanel bug through him |
| 02:38.10 | alestane | So, Google has not thus far yielded a solution. Every time I turn "Smart Quotes" off in Word 2000 AutoCorrect, it's back on the next time I open Word. Anyone have any idea where I can turn it off permanently? |
| 02:38.33 | Primer | www.openoffice.org |
| 02:38.36 | Primer | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:38.38 | Arrowmaster | why are you using word 2000? |
| 02:39.07 | alestane | Because it's what I have, and because the publisher I'm working with doesn't trust OO.org to be fully compatible with their macros. |
| 02:39.08 | Dagmar | Push the button that causes Microsoft programmers heads to explode. |
| 02:39.28 | Dagmar | Or, you could always submit a bug report to Microsoft. |
| 02:39.29 | Dagmar | :) |
| 02:39.37 | Arrowmaster | well word 2000 is likely less compatible with their macros |
| 02:39.59 | alestane | Dagmar: Rather like Drawmij's Instant Death, it's impossible to tell whether that button is still working or not. |
| 02:40.10 | Shirik | alestane: Get Vim |
| 02:40.15 | Dagmar | Ah but we can mash it repeatedly and hope! |
| 02:40.32 | Dagmar | Shirik: Vim is *definitely* not compatible with word macros |
| 02:40.46 | Shirik | I missed that line |
| 02:40.47 | batrick | Shirik: hard drives aren't the only thing that uses ATA |
| 02:40.52 | alestane | Arrowmaster: Since the files they're giving me to work with are Word 97 compatible, I can hope that Word 2000 understands them. |
| 02:40.54 | Shirik | you could write a vim script to process them |
| 02:41.28 | Arrowmaster | word 97 compatible? wow i dont even think word 07 can read those anymore |
| 02:41.34 | Shirik | Ok so I've only opened 2 issues for Minion so far |
| 02:41.39 | Shirik | sorry, 3 |
| 02:41.46 | Primer | There's always the demoronizer |
| 02:41.48 | Shirik | 2/3 of them were closed due to "no change required" |
| 02:46.05 | kd3 | Shirik, it is. it should work on every modern distro/desktop environment |
| 02:47.02 | Shirik | post that on the bug tracker so I don't forget, since I'm flying through things at the moment, please P |
| 02:47.04 | Shirik | :P |
| 02:48.16 | kd3 | grr at not being able to delete outdated versions of files on mantis |
| 02:48.42 | Shirik | I can :P |
| 02:48.45 | Shirik | but why would you want to? |
| 02:49.06 | kd3 | because there's a few iterations that got attached that won't work on every distro |
| 02:51.46 | mikma | lol wtf is wrong with some people? |
| 02:52.07 | mikma | http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=56 |
| 02:52.26 | mikma | solution has been told in there and still people cant read |
| 02:53.04 | kd3 | you make it sound like this is a new problem |
| 02:54.12 | mikma | i make it? |
| 03:15.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i was talking about http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=57 can you make it from 'minor' to 'major' or do i need to make a new ticket? |
| 03:17.07 | Thunder_Child | oh lol, Voltron is on sale |
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| 03:30.13 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw27273.jpg |
| 03:30.28 | Fisker- | reported for hax |
| 03:31.05 | Thunder_Child | zoom out and see the rest of them |
| 03:31.39 | Fisker- | stares at Thunder_Child |
| 03:32.14 | Thunder_Child | basks in the stare of Fisker- |
| 03:32.21 | mikma | cairenn: foxlit thinks the image i linked is hax. punish him. |
| 03:32.46 | mikma | (yeah i know, wrong name) |
| 03:32.49 | Gnarfoz | mikma: wtf |
| 03:33.05 | mikma | gnarfoz: yes? |
| 03:33.10 | Gnarfoz | wtf is that! :p |
| 03:33.17 | mikma | volley |
| 03:33.31 | mikma | with all possible cvar'x set at max |
| 03:33.37 | mikma | cvar's |
| 03:33.58 | Primer | Is there an event for traversing an instance Z level? |
| 03:33.59 | Gnarfoz | looks more like increased exposure time, which of course isn't possible |
| 03:34.13 | Thunder_Child | or 15 hunters doing it at once |
| 03:34.13 | Fisker- | OMG ITS THE MATRIX |
| 03:34.37 | Dagmar | 15 hunters hit disengage at the wrong time? |
| 03:34.47 | mikma | have you *ever* played around with the cvars? |
| 03:34.56 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info13562-TweakWoW.html |
| 03:35.08 | Gnarfoz | 'course. |
| 03:35.09 | mikma | that SS is 1 hunter with max settings |
| 03:35.15 | Gnarfoz | latest shizz is textureCacheSize |
| 03:35.35 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 03:35.38 | mikma | you can't play with those settings cause with highend pc will have like 2 fps |
| 03:35.41 | Fisker- | You only say that to look cool mikma :( |
| 03:35.43 | Dagmar | Irresponsible use of particle effects |
| 03:37.49 | mikma | i have used the same cvar's to eliminate pretty much all ground clutter |
| 03:38.07 | Primer | ZorbaTHut: Couldn't you have made the data structures for this VContinent stuff a bit simpler? :) |
| 03:38.09 | Dagmar | Jerboa: Me want! |
| 03:38.25 | mikma | nagrand is cool, no grass anywhere, just gatherable herbs sticking out from the ground |
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| 03:40.45 | ZorbaTHut | primer, they're the same data structures astrolabe uses :) |
| 03:43.53 | Primer | I'm simplifying it for my own purposes...[name] = width |
| 03:44.12 | Primer | then once (if?) Astrolabe every supports it, I'll just use it |
| 03:44.15 | NeoTron | hmm speaking of svar, what was the texture memory one again? |
| 03:44.27 | Primer | so now I have a if c == -1 then mine else Astrolabe end |
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| 03:44.58 | Primer | ZorbaTHut: of course, what you said makes sense...I rarely do though :) |
| 03:45.42 | Thunder_Child | rarely make sense? |
| 03:49.13 | Primer | correct |
| 03:55.43 | Arrowmaster | i think my wow crashed again |
| 03:56.47 | NeoTron | still would like to know if textureCacheSize is physical RAM or graphics card memory |
| 03:57.02 | Primer | ZorbaTHut: Do you know of an event for when the map level changes? |
| 03:57.15 | ZorbaTHut | primer, not offhand, no |
| 03:57.26 | Primer | granted, if I'm in one level, and the player I'm tracking is in another... |
| 03:57.36 | Primer | that's gonna be hard to track |
| 03:57.53 | Arrowmaster | from what ive been told thats impossible to track atm |
| 03:58.03 | Primer | the level? |
| 03:58.13 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:58.33 | Primer | There's an event for sub zone zoning though, right? |
| 03:58.42 | Primer | PLAYER_ENTERED_MAP? |
| 03:58.44 | Primer | err |
| 03:58.47 | Primer | PLAYER_ENTERED_WORLD |
| 03:58.50 | Primer | or something |
| 03:58.57 | Arrowmaster | been told you can only get coords for the level you are currently on |
| 04:01.48 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: need something like ProcessExplorer but for VRAM ^^ |
| 04:05.48 | Dagmar | How would you get coordinates for a level you're not on and what would you do with them? |
| 04:35.44 | NeoTron | aha I didn't get bars on thorim because alpha bigwigs doesn't work |
| 04:35.48 | NeoTron | the activation that is |
| 04:35.48 | NeoTron | fail |
| 04:36.12 | Thunder_Child | it *is* alpha.... |
| 04:41.32 | NeoTron | bigwigs releases are like years inbetween :P |
| 04:41.37 | NeoTron | there's a lot of fixes since he last release |
| 04:46.18 | Fisker- | slaps NeoTron around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:46.27 | Fisker- | you dissing mah bigwigs? |
| 04:47.36 | mikma | no u |
| 04:49.02 | Fisker- | no me |
| 04:49.20 | mikma | ~emulate fisker |
| 04:49.20 | purl | i guess emulate fisker is "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 04:50.14 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate fisker |
| 04:50.15 | purl | "emulate fisker" is ""<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM"" |
| 04:50.50 | Thunder_Child | ~literal CMD: emulate fisker (.*?) |
| 04:51.00 | Thunder_Child | meh, it |
| 04:51.04 | Thunder_Child | 's been to long |
| 04:54.58 | Fisker- | ~factoid emulate Fisker |
| 04:54.59 | purl | ACTION gives emulate Fisker a cup of trinitrotoluene |
| 04:55.02 | Fisker- | fu |
| 04:59.11 | AnduinLothar | :( Thorim's pwning us |
| 05:03.34 | Fisker- | Is he pwning you in the mountains? |
| 05:04.48 | Wobin | arena or hall? |
| 05:05.12 | Diao | haha oh man i was playing with that tweakwow addon |
| 05:05.13 | Diao | http://clockwork-guild.net/vince/WoWScrnShot_052709_215648.tga |
| 05:05.34 | Wobin | ugh, tga =P |
| 05:07.03 | Diao | dropped from 200+ fps on a core i7 system to 3fps with just 3 aoe spells going on |
| 05:07.08 | Wobin | rofl |
| 05:07.10 | Diao | it's pretty amusing though just for the screenshot |
| 05:07.19 | Wobin | that's kinda ridiculous |
| 05:07.35 | AnduinLothar | The hall keep dying int he stairs |
| 05:07.46 | AnduinLothar | we've got the floor covered with 3 tanks |
| 05:08.03 | Wobin | hm, not sure on 25 man =\ |
| 05:08.33 | AnduinLothar | they keep gettign 5 mobs ont he stairs and dying... not sure why |
| 05:08.53 | Wobin | not moving fast enough, perhaps? =\ |
| 05:08.54 | AnduinLothar | impale hurts |
| 05:09.05 | Wobin | impale can be avoided.... can't it? |
| 05:09.05 | AnduinLothar | that's basically a given |
| 05:09.17 | AnduinLothar | it can be interupted |
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| 05:11.53 | Fisker- | yeah if you get 5 mobs you're too slow |
| 05:11.59 | Fisker- | get some moar dps |
| 05:12.24 | Wobin | which one is impale? |
| 05:12.37 | Wobin | I thought that was the attack the first miniboss does before you reach him |
| 05:14.15 | mikma | diao: .tga!? why on earth is it .tga? =( |
| 05:14.20 | AnduinLothar | the mobs do it |
| 05:14.29 | mikma | nothing can open that shit |
| 05:15.25 | Xinhuan | because wow only has jpg/tga ;p |
| 05:15.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI can load jpg? |
| 05:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought it was blp and tga |
| 05:15.49 | Xinhuan | i mean screenshot format |
| 05:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, yeah |
| 05:16.03 | mikma | xinhuan: was it mac that has .png? |
| 05:16.09 | Xinhuan | yeah - mac only |
| 05:16.24 | mikma | i wonder whats the idea in that |
| 05:17.10 | Xinhuan | beats me |
| 05:17.43 | Kraps | 107 resil is embarassing :/ |
| 05:19.08 | Kraps | this holy pally got me on his 2v2, 0-3 so far |
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| 05:19.44 | Guest93939 | fu freenode |
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| 05:22.35 | Fisker- | fu you |
| 05:22.42 | Primer | ZorbaTHut: So the values you have in your Astrolabe file for instances is the height? |
| 05:22.58 | Primer | and width is height * 1.5? |
| 05:23.29 | Diao | i can convert to png in photoshop or something i guess |
| 05:25.00 | Shirik | Fisker-: fuu? |
| 05:25.34 | Xinhuan | lua> 41*5/60 |
| 05:25.34 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 3.4166666666667 |
| 05:33.55 | Shirik | I am curious |
| 05:34.03 | Shirik | has ScytheBlade1 considered trying to break things yet? |
| 05:34.30 | Thunder_Child | are you sure he has to try? |
| 05:34.42 | Shirik | I meant the security model |
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| 05:42.56 | Shirik | someone needs to invent a bug tracker that detects user sanity |
| 05:44.17 | Thunder_Child | fix all the problems and that wont be an issue |
| 05:45.54 | Shirik | ha |
| 05:46.32 | Taroven | Diao: Prolly the multisampling that killed you there. =P |
| 05:48.03 | Shirik | I just wish users would post bugs like http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=99 |
| 05:48.17 | Shirik | calmly stated the problem, didn't really know what was going on |
| 05:48.20 | Shirik | posted the log |
| 05:48.26 | Shirik | had an intelligent title |
| 05:48.38 | Shirik | that's all I ask for, is it too much? I was able to find the problem within a minute |
| 05:49.16 | Thunder_Child | however, that was not a 'crash' severity |
| 05:49.25 | Shirik | yes it was |
| 05:49.31 | Shirik | and if you check the log, I changed it to crash |
| 05:49.34 | Shirik | from major |
| 05:49.49 | Shirik | a SecurityException causes a thread to crash |
| 05:49.49 | Thunder_Child | he didnt say anything about crashing in his comment |
| 05:49.58 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 05:50.37 | Thunder_Child | and yo still need to switch mine to major |
| 05:50.42 | Thunder_Child | s/yo/you/ |
| 05:50.49 | Shirik | is it still at "new"? |
| 05:51.04 | Thunder_Child | si |
| 05:51.22 | Shirik | then I haven't even read it yet :P |
| 05:51.33 | Shirik | running at 10K greatly slows the speed at which you can read bugs |
| 05:51.35 | Thunder_Child | it wasnt when i posted, but it meandered that way |
| 05:51.36 | NeoTron | thorim hard @ 35.. so close yet so far away |
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| 05:52.09 | Thunder_Child | gives Shirik a public library card |
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| 06:01.51 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, I honestly doubt there's a public library within 50 miles of me |
| 06:04.49 | Thunder_Child | interesting, you seem to be focusing on getting run before foucsing on getting it to run right :p |
| 06:05.02 | Taroven | Shirik, I'd totally send you my trusty old 40dbi satellite dish wireless antenna if I still had the thing. =P |
| 06:05.06 | Thunder_Child | s/g r/g it to r/ |
| 06:05.27 | Taroven | That thing would pick up a strong signal halfway across the city. |
| 06:06.16 | Shirik | Thunder_Child? |
| 06:06.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, the pattern of what you have and have not read |
| 06:06.47 | Shirik | I'm just running down the list |
| 06:06.58 | Shirik | if you're viewing it from the global screen it probably looks odd |
| 06:07.02 | Shirik | I'm just doing it one project at a time |
| 06:07.56 | Thunder_Child | hmm...so you are...but i guess that would fit the general pattern of bugs in any program |
| 06:08.30 | Shirik | I'm not actually fixing them right now |
| 06:08.34 | Shirik | I'm just trying to sort them |
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| 06:14.07 | Nemona | Good morning ;p |
| 06:17.32 | Cairenn | hi |
| 06:31.08 | Lukian | Is there a way to 'tab target' in a macro (or just choose a near/random hostile target) |
| 06:31.36 | tekkub | there's targeting slash commands |
| 06:32.01 | Lukian | yeah not a specific mob though |
| 06:32.08 | Wobin | targetnearest? |
| 06:32.12 | Wobin | isn't there something like that? |
| 06:32.17 | tekkub | there is |
| 06:32.18 | Fisker- | how is tab targetting a specific mob? |
| 06:32.35 | Lukian | I don't want specific :p |
| 06:32.44 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.47 | Nemona | Can't you use /cast[target=random] |
| 06:32.57 | Fisker- | lol |
| 06:32.58 | Fisker- | naw |
| 06:33.41 | tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Macro_API |
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| 06:34.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, as a quick fix for issue 109, do you think you could have minon overwrite instead of delete? |
| 06:34.56 | Shirik | I would prefer not to |
| 06:35.08 | Shirik | I have some plans for #109 that may work out |
| 06:35.13 | Shirik | I thought of them as coming home today |
| 06:35.25 | Thunder_Child | well if we dont rememer what the addon was, we no longer have it... |
| 06:35.41 | tekkub | Shirik: fix the iconz! |
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| 06:35.58 | Thunder_Child | yes tekkub, *thats* the big issue |
| 06:36.09 | tekkub | it is |
| 06:36.15 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Overwriting instead of deleting means potentially useless files floating around |
| 06:36.27 | tekkub | it doesn't matter how functional it is, people won't use it if it's ugly |
| 06:36.33 | tekkub | *points at git-gui* |
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| 06:36.40 | Wobin | ugh |
| 06:36.49 | Wobin | that's neither pretty nor functional =P |
| 06:36.54 | Shirik | git is ugly by itself |
| 06:36.54 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, once you got it working properly you could go back to deleting the addons again |
| 06:37.02 | nevcairiel | git is a CLI tool |
| 06:37.03 | nevcairiel | get over it |
| 06:37.03 | _rane | git is ugly? :S |
| 06:37.09 | Thunder_Child | stopgap ws my point |
| 06:37.11 | Shirik | git is ugly even from CLI |
| 06:37.12 | Thunder_Child | was* |
| 06:37.16 | tekkub | git-gui is very functional, you just didn't use it long enough to realize that :P |
| 06:37.23 | nevcairiel | you're juts a windows lover, Shirik =P |
| 06:37.28 | ScytheBlade1 | git is amazing |
| 06:37.31 | Shirik | hey |
| 06:37.35 | Shirik | My visual studio has a vim plugin |
| 06:37.36 | Shirik | ok? |
| 06:37.48 | tekkub | Shirik: |
| 06:37.48 | Shirik | vim ain't no windows software |
| 06:37.59 | tekkub | just stop trying and go buy WM from jalander |
| 06:38.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: the windows build of vim says otherwise.. |
| 06:38.08 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 06:38.14 | Nemona | lol |
| 06:38.14 | Nemona | vim |
| 06:38.15 | Nemona | :< |
| 06:38.17 | Wobin | git is amazing |
| 06:38.19 | tekkub | oh wait, I wasn't supposed to point out that he's obviously one of the WM devs was I? |
| 06:38.22 | Wobin | but ridiculously unuserfriendly |
| 06:39.05 | Wobin | also, <3 ViEmu |
| 06:39.16 | Wobin | It means noone else can use my computer =P |
| 06:39.20 | tekkub | viemo? |
| 06:39.22 | Shirik | some of my cowoekers hate it |
| 06:39.23 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:39.31 | Shirik | because they try to review code and can't change anything |
| 06:39.36 | Shirik | or things go haywire |
| 06:39.43 | tekkub | wobin, there's a simpler way to do that |
| 06:39.44 | Shirik | but a few of them use it as well :) |
| 06:39.45 | tekkub | dvorak |
| 06:40.05 | Wobin | tekkub: that'd require me to learn dvorak |
| 06:40.12 | Wobin | which I intend to do -some- day |
| 06:40.14 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.16 | tekkub | it's not hard ^^ |
| 06:40.18 | Shirik | mikma: fyi, you don't need to paste bugs like that |
| 06:40.18 | Lukian | wonder if that works |
| 06:40.21 | Wobin | or maybe one of the other layouts |
| 06:40.29 | Shirik | You can just say "See #56" and the #56 is translated into a link |
| 06:40.29 | Wobin | do you find you type faster with it, really? |
| 06:40.31 | tekkub | I miss my dvorak... damn MS egro keyboard I can't rearrange keys on |
| 06:40.46 | tekkub | nah, but it was more comfortable |
| 06:41.13 | tekkub | there's a finite limit to how fast I can type before I just stra fatr fingreinf everting |
| 06:43.17 | Wobin | yeah |
| 06:43.28 | Wobin | I did find getting a clicky keyboard helped me type faster |
| 06:43.38 | Wobin | drives everyone on Vent mad =) |
| 06:43.50 | tekkub | ... |
| 06:44.04 | Lukian | hmm that doesn't work |
| 06:44.08 | tekkub | they don't like trying to figure out what you're typing over vent? |
| 06:44.23 | Wobin | hehe |
| 06:44.28 | tekkub | I thought the point of vent was for the people that never learned how to fucking type |
| 06:44.35 | Wobin | It's just so noticable over that I use the keyboard |
| 06:44.48 | tekkub | I never talk on vent |
| 06:44.52 | tekkub | ever ^^ |
| 06:45.13 | tekkub | I loved naxx this week... "we told you to call out if you were on the wall" |
| 06:45.18 | tekkub | I did... in chat |
| 06:45.30 | tekkub | not like I was casting anything anyway |
| 06:45.46 | Wobin | wne you're on the wall, I mich prefer if you ping the minimap |
| 06:46.15 | tekkub | I got tossed on the wall just as the boss went down |
| 06:46.25 | tekkub | they were too busy being loot whores, I almost died |
| 06:53.28 | ZorbaTHut | vent is great for giving info about what's going on without stopping to type for half a dozen GCDs :P |
| 06:53.46 | tekkub | I was on the wall, typing wasn't an issue :P |
| 06:54.12 | ZorbaTHut | true. still, if your guild uses vent for 90% of communication, people may just stop paying attention to /ra |
| 06:54.36 | tekkub | not my problem ^^ |
| 06:54.48 | End | apparently it was |
| 06:54.55 | tekkub | nah someone was healing me |
| 06:55.00 | End | oh lol |
| 06:55.09 | End | then I guess it was the healer's problem :P |
| 06:55.10 | tekkub | but only one cause I almost died |
| 06:55.15 | tekkub | I am a healer ^^ |
| 06:55.20 | ZorbaTHut | if it's reducing the performance of your raid, it's your raid's problem :P |
| 06:55.20 | End | the other healer! |
| 06:55.33 | tekkub | the boss was dead |
| 06:55.41 | tekkub | scrool up! |
| 06:55.47 | End | well, if the boss is dead, especially given this boss is at the end of the wing, it's relatively small of an issue |
| 06:55.47 | tekkub | s/oo/ol/ |
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| 06:56.11 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but you're saying you never talk on vent. so I imagine this could be an issue in boss-isn't-dead mode also :) |
| 06:56.33 | tekkub | see now, here's my logic... |
| 06:56.46 | tekkub | no voice chat was never an issue in my 40-mans |
| 06:57.03 | tekkub | I understand it can make shit easier for leadership |
| 06:57.21 | tekkub | but every vent I've ever been in has been 90% useless talking over each other |
| 06:58.16 | Torhal | tekkub: Yup. This is why I lie and say I can't get Vent working under Wine. |
| 06:58.39 | tekkub | If I didn't raid with Roh, I'd lie and tell them I'm deaf |
| 06:58.47 | tekkub | but he's an ass and would rat me out |
| 06:59.32 | ZorbaTHut | this confuses me, because my struggling-to-beat-Thorim guild has near-perfect vent and loot discipline :P |
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| 06:59.42 | nevcairiel | I can't really type while fighting, and for announcements or assignments speaking is just faster |
| 06:59.52 | Nemona | Ah noes :< |
| 06:59.54 | zenzio | plus you get to listen to the girls |
| 06:59.59 | tekkub | ZorbaTHut: okey maybe this is less confusing... |
| 07:00.05 | tekkub | I don't give a fuck about progression |
| 07:00.09 | Wobin | I do it for the accents =) |
| 07:00.10 | tekkub | I'm in it for the fun |
| 07:00.11 | End | thorim is a kinda messy fight for vent |
| 07:00.20 | End | if you really have to utilize vent a lot |
| 07:00.29 | tekkub | I'm only in naxx/sarth :P |
| 07:00.34 | Wobin | I didn't have a problem with Thorim, cause my team (gauntlet) didn't speak |
| 07:01.02 | nevcairiel | gauntlet is like the easy part of the fight, hehe |
| 07:01.02 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, fair enough. I'm in it for the fun also, I just think that killing new tough bosses is really fun ;) |
| 07:01.11 | ZorbaTHut | also thorim is a bitch |
| 07:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | not because he's hard |
| 07:01.17 | Wobin | nevcairiel: exactly =) So no issue with crosstalk |
| 07:01.27 | ZorbaTHut | but because he despawned halfway through our last and most successful attempt :( |
| 07:01.32 | End | haha |
| 07:01.34 | nevcairiel | get a paladong tank for the arena, its so much smoother |
| 07:01.46 | tekkub | paladong? |
| 07:01.50 | tekkub | doubleended? |
| 07:01.50 | End | we don't have any of those paladongs |
| 07:02.02 | ZorbaTHut | nev, yeah, we've got one, with me tanking the champions away from the group. the gauntlet group is having trouble getting through in time |
| 07:02.03 | Wobin | I have absolutely no idea what goes on in the arena |
| 07:02.08 | Wobin | aside from everyone dying =P |
| 07:02.24 | ZorbaTHut | and we've only gotten to phase 2 three times so far, and once he decided to despawn. once was just embarrassing, and once was our first time. |
| 07:02.33 | ZorbaTHut | we'll get him, it's just slow goin'. |
| 07:02.49 | End | we failed to kill thorim tonight, and we had one attempt where we managed to hit enrage timer without the hallway group reaching thorim >_> |
| 07:03.10 | End | I'm not sure what they were doing back there |
| 07:03.14 | nevcairiel | we usually send 10 people into the gauntlet, one tank, two healers, 7 dps .. and we nearly make it in hard-mode time .. when we try hardmode, we send 9 dps |
| 07:03.20 | ZorbaTHut | end, we've almost done that each time :P |
| 07:03.33 | ZorbaTHut | nev, I imagine your players are better-geared and more experienced than ours, though |
| 07:04.07 | End | it sucked though, we had a lot of fail attempts with the arena, so we moved one person from hallway to arena, and we get thorim to 5% |
| 07:04.11 | ZorbaTHut | as near as we can tell there's maybe 50 raid-competent players on our entire faction, split among three guilds :P |
| 07:04.15 | End | then, after that |
| 07:04.18 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 07:04.19 | End | it's nothing but hallway failing |
| 07:04.32 | tekkub | rounding up are we? |
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| 07:12.55 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i need more monitors |
| 07:13.47 | Thunder_Child | about 4 more would be right |
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| 07:21.30 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:21.40 | Cairenn | huggles Sargeras :) |
| 07:22.10 | Sargeras | hallos cutie |
| 07:22.12 | Sargeras | how are you? |
| 07:22.43 | Cairenn | doing well hot stuff, you? |
| 07:22.55 | Sargeras | doing alright |
| 07:23.01 | Sargeras | trying to sleep and not getting there lol |
| 07:23.05 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 07:23.06 | Sargeras | I blame Dolby |
| 07:23.25 | Dolby | yes |
| 07:23.32 | Sargeras | there you are |
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| 07:57.11 | Wobin | what sort of stats am I looking for as a healing shaman, say level 60ish? |
| 07:58.04 | Nemona | SP / Int? ;o |
| 07:58.40 | nevcairiel | on lvl 60 you go for strength, obviously |
| 07:58.44 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 07:58.49 | Nemona | .. Yeah ;p |
| 08:01.54 | Nemona | http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t24796-shaman_restoration |
| 08:02.07 | Nemona | Best guide for a healing shaman, imo |
| 08:02.22 | nevcairiel | he is lvl 60, he just needs a bit of int and he is good |
| 08:02.28 | nevcairiel | not like there is gear available =P |
| 08:04.35 | Nemona | I know |
| 08:04.40 | Nemona | Not about the gear |
| 08:04.48 | Nemona | But, there are some stat comparisations there too. |
| 08:04.56 | Nemona | Which should apply at level 80, but also at 60. |
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| 08:19.23 | Wobin | argh@people who don't understand class mechanics |
| 08:19.39 | Wobin | lock and load wait times do -not- depend on distance from the mob >< |
| 08:20.07 | Primer | indeed |
| 08:20.36 | Primer | I had a "DK tank" in H CoS that kept telling me that pulling the casters first and interrupting them was not his priority |
| 08:20.46 | Primer | despite the fact that the Dark Necromancers were pwning him |
| 08:20.52 | Primer | and I couldn't keep up heals on him |
| 08:21.08 | Wobin | >< |
| 08:21.20 | Wobin | he could at least have AMS'd himself =P |
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| 08:21.31 | Wobin | if he were eating the spells |
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| 08:22.04 | Wobin | tank's priority is attention and then mitigation |
| 08:23.07 | Primer | that's what I kept trying to tell him |
| 08:23.22 | Wobin | The less your healer has to heal, the longer the fight can go for |
| 08:23.31 | Primer | especially considering that he _can_ mind freeze, strangulate, and AMS the caster |
| 08:23.32 | Wobin | esp on HCoS speed runs |
| 08:23.41 | Primer | which is what this was |
| 08:23.44 | Primer | we wiped |
| 08:23.47 | Wobin | terrible |
| 08:23.51 | Nemona | ... |
| 08:23.53 | Nemona | What |
| 08:23.56 | Nemona | Wiping in Heroic CoS |
| 08:24.10 | Nemona | Isn't that just a big no-no, nowadays? ;p |
| 08:25.06 | Nemona | You might not be able to get the speed run reward, but wiping :( |
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| 08:33.54 | Wobin | One of these days I'll guildrun HCoS. And farm leather |
| 08:34.15 | Wobin | we can just have ARthas wipe on the boss before the gauntlet |
| 08:34.22 | Wobin | and do that section over and over, for leather |
| 08:34.45 | Nemona | How does that work? |
| 08:34.51 | Nemona | If arthas wipes, monsters reset? |
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| 08:35.04 | Wobin | yep, goes back to the part where you enter the town hall |
| 08:35.10 | Nemona | That's nice |
| 08:35.20 | Nemona | But, would they still give loot? |
| 08:35.22 | Wobin | You can farm the gauntlet for greens too |
| 08:35.24 | Wobin | yep |
| 08:35.30 | Nemona | That's immense |
| 08:37.45 | Wobin | Glyph of Earthliving Weapon is not recommended. It increases the 20% base chance by 5% to 21% |
| 08:37.51 | Wobin | oh man, that's -terrible- wording |
| 08:38.02 | Wobin | I'd've read it as increasing the base chance to 25% |
| 08:38.06 | Wobin | not 5% of the 20% |
| 08:38.25 | Wobin | (for the tooltip, that is) |
| 08:38.39 | Nemona | ... |
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| 08:38.48 | Nemona | LOL |
| 08:38.59 | Nemona | Yeah |
| 08:39.02 | Nemona | Could go both ways |
| 08:39.42 | zenzio | there was some patch note about a warrior change a while ago that was also very poorly worded |
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| 08:40.24 | Nemona | Hmm |
| 08:40.26 | Nemona | School time, now. |
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| 08:50.11 | zenzio | invalid modifier |
| 09:08.57 | airtonix | dardack, are you still using ventriloctrl? |
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| 13:01.36 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC5tp9OzXc8 |
| 13:03.10 | foxlit | "... then steal his helmet!" |
| 13:03.21 | foxlit | "... and then, steal it again!" |
| 13:08.01 | Lopeppeppy | "Stupid dakeeni. I stole the baby while you were taking a wee wee!" |
| 13:08.29 | Grum | But stealing is taking it |
| 13:08.37 | Grum | if i make a copy i am not stealing |
| 13:09.03 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 13:09.06 | Fisker- | naw |
| 13:09.10 | Fisker- | stealing it is copying |
| 13:09.11 | Fisker- | ! |
| 13:09.12 | Fisker- | !!!!!!1 |
| 13:09.16 | Grum | but when you copy you dont buy it so you dont generate money!!!! |
| 13:09.26 | Grum | right but i wouldnt buy it for your stupid price :p |
| 13:09.55 | Fisker- | <-trollin' |
| 13:10.04 | Grum | hmm i'm talking to myself again |
| 13:10.16 | Grum | maybe i should unignore fisker, he prolly said like 10 things meanwhile |
| 13:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is a talker. |
| 13:10.52 | Grum | stalker |
| 13:11.14 | Lopeppeppy | No... actually... that he has not yet shown himself to do. |
| 13:12.57 | Fisker- | only because i live nowhere near you |
| 13:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, you flatter me. *yawn* |
| 13:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | Deleting several hundred emails individually by hand is stupid stupid work. |
| 13:13.47 | Fisker- | isn't that why you do it? |
| 13:13.48 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 13:13.53 | nevcairiel | select-all -> delete |
| 13:13.54 | Lopeppeppy | Sod off. |
| 13:13.56 | nevcairiel | ? :) |
| 13:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, it's a web-based widgety thing and doesn't have that option. I've put in a help ticket to merge it into my Outlook, this is just insanely stupid. Now I know how my coworker wastes 2 hours every day on email. |
| 13:14.50 | nevcairiel | just yell at the dev of that web-thingy more |
| 13:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | Trust me, I will, when he comes to my office to talk about Outlook integration. |
| 13:15.20 | Lopeppeppy | If there was some "multiple select" option I wouldn't care, but there's not. |
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| 13:20.33 | Matsy | G'day |
| 13:20.40 | zenzio | selects only Lopeppeppy |
| 13:21.48 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks zenzio! |
| 13:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Matsy |
| 13:23.52 | Lopeppeppy | How do these bots generate their email titles? "Paparazzi caught berry" -- is this a new disease? Or a wandering fruit? |
| 13:24.58 | zenzio | hehe |
| 13:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | at least all the ones written in Russian are caught by the spam filters. |
| 13:25.20 | zenzio | nope |
| 13:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | Are too! |
| 13:25.44 | zenzio | my brother gets tons of Russian spam in his Gmail account, and Gmail refuses to learn that they're spam no matter how much he marks them as such |
| 13:26.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... well, the college filter is awesome then, all things Ruski are landing in my spam filter. Since I don't think I could properly assist a web user in that language, that's pretty good. |
| 13:27.10 | krka_ | i wonder how well spam works on people who don't speak the language |
| 13:27.22 | Matsy | ... |
| 13:27.29 | Matsy | it wouldnt work |
| 13:27.38 | zenzio | what really surprises me are all the spam e-mails that don't even contain a link to something |
| 13:27.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm completely not taken in by Russian spam at all. I mean, I see those big cyrillic letters and go, nope, I don't need Russian Viagra, I have good old american stuff right here. |
| 13:28.18 | Lopeppeppy | Or, well, I *could* have some, if I had a use for it, but sadly, it killed my fish last time I fed it to them, so I'm out of ideas. |
| 13:28.48 | zenzio | doesn't want to know why you feed your fish viagra |
| 13:29.09 | krka_ | fisk sticks? |
| 13:29.11 | Lopeppeppy | What else would I do with it? |
| 13:29.12 | krka_ | *fish |
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| 13:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker sticks, what? |
| 13:31.57 | Matsy | :( |
| 13:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | Cooking spray fixes that. |
| 13:32.49 | Kraps | where do you queue for bgs if you're not by a portal? |
| 13:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all shouldn't let me take cold medicines. :) Sorry, going to be one of those days! |
| 13:33.17 | foxlit | Kraps: hit H |
| 13:33.46 | Lopeppeppy | 284 more pages to go. *sigh* |
| 13:33.59 | Kraps | its keybound... |
| 13:34.13 | Matsy | Use the menu? ;p |
| 13:34.15 | foxlit | You might then want to look for the pvp microbutton |
| 13:34.26 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 13:34.59 | Kraps | sneaky little tabs :/ |
| 13:35.04 | Kraps | ty |
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| 13:40.38 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dirty_mind3.jpg |
| 13:42.03 | Lopeppeppy | ? |
| 13:51.25 | Fisker- | do you like fish sticks? |
| 13:52.39 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, no thank you, those aren't edible. |
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| 13:53.15 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 13:55.32 | Grum | Fisker-: you are a gay fish |
| 13:55.41 | Kalroth | Grum: do you put him in your mouth? |
| 13:55.50 | Grum | YES! HARD |
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| 14:08.44 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:08.50 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo |
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| 14:20.54 | Shirik | mikma: Read the next line :) |
| 14:20.54 | Shirik | (23:40:20) (@Shirik) You can just say "See #56" and the #56 is translated into a link |
| 14:20.54 | Shirik | you don't need to write out the whole link |
| 14:22.43 | mikma | shirik: yeah, i did, but can't remove already sent messages from purlish |
| 14:22.54 | mikma | stupid bot :P |
| 14:22.58 | Shirik | :P |
| 14:25.03 | mikma | browser.download.manager.scanWhenDone -> false |
| 14:25.04 | mikma | aaaah |
| 14:25.44 | kneeki | Whoa, weird! |
| 14:26.15 | kneeki | My chracter is wearing a tabard from my old guild of like, 4 months ago, but I do not have any tabard equipped, nor does taking off my armor make any difference |
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| 14:26.44 | Lopeppeppy | Where are you wearing this? |
| 14:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | Armory, in game, loading screen...? |
| 14:27.15 | kneeki | character select & in game |
| 14:27.19 | kneeki | I didn't check armory |
| 14:27.27 | Lopeppeppy | Excellently horrible. |
| 14:27.34 | Lopeppeppy | Disable all addons, go see if it still happens! |
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| 14:28.06 | kneeki | I don't think any addon could cause this |
| 14:28.21 | kneeki | Besides, it was on in the char select screen, no addons have access to such a place |
| 14:28.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, they totally should not. Your character, it is an alien!!! |
| 14:29.01 | kneeki | oh em gee! |
| 14:29.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, sorry to break the news to ya. |
| 14:30.20 | Shirik | ... |
| 14:30.24 | Shirik | "Lightheaded being credited to jnwhiteh, not Cladhaire" |
| 14:30.48 | nicoli_s | they both worked on it didnt they? |
| 14:30.54 | Lopeppeppy | .... *snark* |
| 14:30.55 | krka_ | they both are the same |
| 14:30.55 | Shirik | they're the same person -_- |
| 14:31.00 | mikma | haha |
| 14:31.05 | Lopeppeppy | That's a bug report, Shirik? |
| 14:31.08 | krka_ | jnwhiteh is mostly the same anyway |
| 14:31.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:31.11 | mikma | HAHA |
| 14:31.32 | mikma | bad jnwhiteh always stealing credit from Cladhaire |
| 14:31.56 | Fisker- | what's that mikma ? |
| 14:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | I totally wish I could answer that. :) "Cladhaire cloned himself, so he could be in the states and england at the same time. jnwhiteh is the one who does the european coding, Cladhaire does the coding in America, and then they put it through a fusion process and produce nuclear-reactive Light-headed babies!" |
| 14:32.17 | mikma | lopeppeppy: why won't you then? |
| 14:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | Um, I have no idea where these bug reports live, and they won't listen to me, I'm not Shirik? |
| 14:32.55 | Shirik | huh? |
| 14:33.12 | mikma | lopeppeppy: http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/login_page.php |
| 14:33.14 | Lopeppeppy | You're specialer, Shirik. |
| 14:33.30 | Kraps | i love eots |
| 14:33.48 | foxlit | qq at minion bugs |
| 14:33.54 | kneeki | .. |
| 14:33.56 | foxlit | I'd read them, but I'm too lazy to sign up. |
| 14:33.59 | kneeki | "You have to set up a Data Broker addon display to see something." what does that mean? |
| 14:34.30 | mikma | kneeki: it means: "You have to set up a Data Broker addon display to see something." |
| 14:34.31 | Shirik | you need something to display to see it |
| 14:35.06 | kneeki | Well that's just stupid |
| 14:35.27 | kneeki | The addon itself is nothing more than an effing tooltip mod, but it requires some Lib of some sort? =\ |
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| 14:37.07 | foxlit | what addon? |
| 14:37.20 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13631-PerfectHit.html#info |
| 14:37.34 | kneeki | The idea is neat |
| 14:37.48 | foxlit | I think his shift key was broken while coding |
| 14:38.03 | kneeki | Why is that? |
| 14:38.19 | foxlit | everything is in lower case in the screenshot. |
| 14:38.23 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... he means that you need like SLDT or titan or something, in order for it to have an anchor? |
| 14:38.26 | kneeki | Ah, yeah |
| 14:38.32 | foxlit | Also, there's a @#$@#@ing comma in the decimal. |
| 14:38.41 | kneeki | lol |
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| 14:45.50 | Lopeppeppy | 255 more pages to go |
| 14:46.09 | alestane | 2^8 - 1! |
| 14:46.17 | alestane | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/images/druid/ss2.jpg For anyone who didn't see them yet. |
| 14:46.30 | foxlit | !addon ClosetGnome |
| 14:46.31 | lua_bot | ClosetGnome (v. r602) last updated Wed Apr 15 14:15 (http://is.gd/IbZ6) |
| 14:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | I saw the QQ that they weren't different enough and they suck. |
| 14:46.32 | Fisker- | So i'm not allowed to see them? |
| 14:46.53 | foxlit | meh, old. |
| 14:47.12 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Those people need to get a grip. |
| 14:47.19 | foxlit | Could people pull that from somewhere where it's updated (and bugged?) |
| 14:47.35 | foxlit | I'll qq that they should've posted video instead |
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| 14:48.45 | Lopeppeppy | They all want to see what the forms are like seating, with their mouths closed... big QQ that all the images are roaring. |
| 14:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm feeling a sense... of get the hell over yourselves, people! :) |
| 14:51.26 | foxlit | I do wonder why they're stalling, though |
| 14:51.32 | Lopeppeppy | stalling what? |
| 14:51.43 | foxlit | Well, releasing screenshots for starters. |
| 14:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | ... um, they just released a screenshot, what's "stalling" ? |
| 14:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | They got it done, they showed it off. |
| 14:52.29 | foxlit | They've released two. |
| 14:52.36 | Lopeppeppy | Two are done? |
| 14:52.40 | foxlit | They have two more. |
| 14:52.54 | Lopeppeppy | We'll see 'em when they're done? |
| 14:52.57 | foxlit | You're suggesting that the NE bear form was done in the space between releasing the tauren bear form and the NE bear form? |
| 14:53.17 | Shirik | huh? |
| 14:53.19 | zenzelezz | between a different form and itself? |
| 14:53.23 | zenzelezz | that's an interesting range |
| 14:53.24 | Lopeppeppy | They have said, directly, the different teams are working on different things, and they will post things as they are ready. |
| 14:53.41 | Lopeppeppy | Tauren team was done first, they got posted first. |
| 14:53.41 | foxlit | Not anything specific to this, I think. |
| 14:53.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, specific to the forms, there are different teams. |
| 14:54.07 | zenzelezz | the NE team kept staring at the female models instead of making new forms |
| 14:54.15 | Lopeppeppy | See? Bad NE team! |
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| 14:55.40 | foxlit | "They have said, directly, the different teams are working on different things, and they will post things as they are ready." << that post must've escaped me |
| 14:55.58 | Lopeppeppy | It was one of the posts QQing that the horde are always posted first, whine whine whine. |
| 14:56.13 | Lopeppeppy | The response they got was that there are different teams, and that team got done first. |
| 14:56.30 | foxlit | still can't find it. :( |
| 14:56.38 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, I'm not just makin' it up though. |
| 14:57.04 | Lopeppeppy | I often read threads beyond the Blue Tracker RSS though, so I could have wandered beyond the beaten path. |
| 14:58.12 | AckisWork | reading? Ewwww |
| 14:58.14 | foxlit | Could've just been a particularly insightful player post? :) |
| 14:58.23 | Lopeppeppy | No, foxlit, sorry. |
| 14:58.30 | Lopeppeppy | I don't read the qq'ers. |
| 14:58.48 | Lopeppeppy | We'll get more forms a) as they are done and b) at a decent stagger so that Bliz can collect qq and commentary for each one. |
| 14:59.38 | foxlit | My theory is still that they're all done and they're just pulling it out for suspense. |
| 14:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | It's a good theory, I'm sure. |
| 15:00.08 | zenzelezz | not like they'd hot-patch the forms in anyway |
| 15:00.24 | Lopeppeppy | They are a business, not a toddler sharing toys. They will market the new forms properly, collect feedback properly, and move on. |
| 15:00.26 | foxlit | That's point (b) -- if the models are done, just bundle them into 3.1.3 <3 |
| 15:00.31 | alestane | foxlit: And what difference would it make if they are? |
| 15:00.51 | foxlit | Then someone is stalling and I'm entitled to qq about them. |
| 15:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | Having good artwork done and having the models done in-game are two wildly different things! Back up the pony, foxlit! |
| 15:01.31 | zenzelezz | if they included the new forms in a minor patch, druids would QQ about how their forms were considered a minor change |
| 15:01.52 | alestane | foxlit: Would you give a toddler a whole chocolate cake at once? |
| 15:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | Or how bliz rushed to placate people who felt "stalled" and the forms were crappily implemented, as a result. |
| 15:02.12 | foxlit | That may be a valid strategy to reduce long-term chocolate cake expenses. |
| 15:02.33 | Lopeppeppy | And to study how the chocolate cake is received, make changes to the frosting... |
| 15:02.50 | Lopeppeppy | Clarity of feedback is pretty important. |
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| 15:03.03 | foxlit | I doubt they'll get any usable feedback from a single shot of each recolor. |
| 15:03.17 | foxlit | Not until this stuff is live on some form of PTR. |
| 15:03.27 | Lopeppeppy | How do you know? I bet they get at least sometthing useful to start with. |
| 15:03.33 | foxlit | "zomg, it's not enough", whining, though, easily. |
| 15:04.14 | alestane | I daresay that by now they've had quite a bit of practice at sifting through the whining looking for gold. |
| 15:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | And they have to look for gold. |
| 15:08.57 | AckisWork | my god posts like this make my head hurt: http://www.wow.com/2009/05/27/an-authenticator-in-your-visa/ |
| 15:09.04 | nicoli_s | damn german candies! |
| 15:09.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sugar is good. |
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| 15:11.05 | nicoli_s | well i got one with a nasty filling |
| 15:11.23 | laeg | i haven't played in almost a month and now when i right click someones avatar instead of getting a dropdown menu with whisper and invite etc instead the glove cursor becomes hilighted as if i'm try to poison a blade or something |
| 15:11.25 | nicoli_s | it's ckknight's fault, so i gotta yell at him when he comes in |
| 15:11.28 | laeg | any ideas what could be causing this? |
| 15:11.39 | laeg | *trying |
| 15:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | laeg, do you have Clique and have it bound somehow? |
| 15:11.52 | laeg | clique, that's what it's called |
| 15:12.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I bet you have something in Clique bound to that right click, which is over-riding the frame options. Fix it. |
| 15:12.29 | laeg | i knew i had something that you could bound spells upon the mouse button with |
| 15:12.38 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: ping |
| 15:13.05 | AckisWork | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/1472-qesthelper-trouble/ meh |
| 15:13.10 | Lopeppeppy | Jimmy jeepers applesauce butterflies marshmallows... you didn't review your addons FIRST?? *sigh* |
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| 15:17.24 | laeg | Lopeppeppy: disabling it fixed it, thanks |
| 15:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | 200 pages left. |
| 15:17.49 | laeg | btw outfitter hasn't been made redundant by the new equip manager, right? |
| 15:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | Depends on how complex your setup was. |
| 15:18.07 | nevcairiel | for me it has, but then i didnt use a beast like outfitter before |
| 15:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | For me, the addons are redundant and I'm using the ingame options. |
| 15:18.30 | alestane | The Equipment Manager doesn't do EVERYTHING that Outfitter or ItemRack did. |
| 15:18.46 | nicoli_s | Ackis |
| 15:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | It won't change your tabard when you sneeze on yourself. |
| 15:18.56 | laeg | i use outfitter strings in my macros |
| 15:18.58 | laeg | heheh |
| 15:19.00 | laeg | sneezes |
| 15:19.01 | nicoli_s | AckisWork, that ticket is all full of win |
| 15:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | "I pay taxes here!" |
| 15:19.41 | nicoli_s | i wasnt aware questhelper was its own sovereign nation that collected taxes |
| 15:19.43 | AckisWork | yes that guy has annoyed me |
| 15:22.01 | foxlit | "Ackis1 minute agoChanged assigned to from Kaelten to Ackis" |
| 15:22.21 | AckisWork | hymm? |
| 15:22.21 | foxlit | What kind of deranged lunatic actually assigns nonsense tickets to themselves? :) |
| 15:22.23 | Lopeppeppy | Kael doesn't need to deal with morons, that's what he bribes Ackis for? |
| 15:22.36 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: it's always best to have a moron deal with morons |
| 15:22.47 | AckisWork | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/1469-hacked-from-app-from-curse/ |
| 15:23.02 | laeg | are there any addons that break the 255 character limit yet? |
| 15:23.06 | laeg | *macro |
| 15:23.15 | AckisWork | and I don't get bribed by Kaelten :( |
| 15:23.22 | AckisWork | he doesn't even give me cookies! |
| 15:23.26 | foxlit | a million and one. |
| 15:23.40 | laeg | ? |
| 15:23.55 | foxlit | practically everything that creates custom macro buttons |
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| 15:25.20 | nicoli_s | AckisWork, i wont give you cookies, but if you come to huntsville you can have some of ckknights german candy |
| 15:25.27 | AckisWork | nein! |
| 15:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'll give you cookies if you come to New York State. |
| 15:25.47 | nevcairiel | i can just walk half a mile and buy fresh german candy =P |
| 15:25.49 | AckisWork | ewww new york! |
| 15:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, Ackis. |
| 15:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | The state, not the city. I have trees. |
| 15:26.29 | AckisWork | ewwww Lopeppeppy bites!!!! |
| 15:26.30 | nicoli_s | they have a german -> candy processing plant where you live nevcairiel? |
| 15:26.43 | nevcairiel | ya, fresh is the best |
| 15:26.53 | Lopeppeppy | Most people dont' complain, Ackis. *toothy grin* |
| 15:27.10 | AckisWork | I'm complaining aboot everything today |
| 15:27.17 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: germans go in, candy comes out? |
| 15:27.42 | nevcairiel | yeah, but the workers come out later too |
| 15:27.50 | AckisWork | oh |
| 15:28.00 | AckisWork | no germans are squished in the making of the candy? |
| 15:28.01 | AckisWork | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-pictures-cat-keeps-baby-warm.jpg |
| 15:28.19 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww... gently roasting the canape |
| 15:28.28 | nicoli_s | dude no fucking way id let my baby near my cat like that |
| 15:28.40 | alestane | Ugh, Photoshop city. |
| 15:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | Supervised, it's family time. |
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| 15:28.58 | Lopeppeppy | But as alestane says, looks seriously photoshopped. |
| 15:29.21 | nicoli_s | indeed |
| 15:29.42 | nevcairiel | people photoshop kitty images now? <.< |
| 15:30.10 | Lopeppeppy | ...um, a lot |
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| 15:32.36 | AckisWork | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-pictures-intervention-cat-helps-you.jpg |
| 15:32.38 | AckisWork | I lawled |
| 15:33.14 | nicoli_s | gives it thumbs down |
| 15:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | My interwebs are acting funny. *sigh* |
| 15:33.33 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: crack kills |
| 15:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | 175 pages left. |
| 15:37.11 | Grum | what are you doing Lopeppeppy, browsing your kiddopr0n online? |
| 15:37.28 | Lopeppeppy | Cleaning the webmaster mailbox via web interface, one bloody message at a time. |
| 15:38.12 | Grum | its prolly imap? |
| 15:38.18 | Grum | so just connect to the right spot:p |
| 15:38.20 | AckisWork | everyone send her e-mmmmiaiiillslssss |
| 15:38.45 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. I have a help desk ticket in to get it ported into my Outlook, where I can actually OMG delete multiple messages at once!! |
| 15:39.12 | Grum | 'ported to', its just pop/imap the webpage connects to |
| 15:39.27 | Lopeppeppy | It gives me a better interface than this one-at-a-time crap. |
| 15:40.50 | Grum | Lopeppeppy: just ask where to connect to with your regular mailclient |
| 15:40.54 | AckisWork | so I started reading the wow sunwell magna last night |
| 15:40.59 | AckisWork | magna's suck |
| 15:41.02 | AckisWork | too many pages |
| 15:41.05 | AckisWork | not enough text |
| 15:41.08 | AckisWork | too many pictures |
| 15:41.09 | Lopeppeppy | Grum, that's what I'm having them do for me, connecting it to my regular mail client! |
| 15:41.15 | Grum | good lord |
| 15:41.20 | Grum | you need more internet-clue :p |
| 15:41.50 | alestane | Grum: Becomes a whole other can of worms if it's exchange. |
| 15:42.02 | Lopeppeppy | I need more email clue, honestly, and I know it, which is why I put in the ticket to get the nice Outlook Exchange dude to come talk to me. |
| 15:42.09 | Grum | obviously windows proprietary crap |
| 15:42.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, we have some proprietary crap in the mix, which doesn't help at all. |
| 15:42.55 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder how this draenei managed to die in Dalaran inn |
| 15:43.17 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent! |
| 15:43.25 | alestane | Okay, I fail at svn command-line. |
| 15:43.31 | Grum | svn fails |
| 15:43.35 | Grum | so you cant help that alestane:P |
| 15:43.45 | laeg | foxlit: can you recommend one that gets over the 255 macro limit then? |
| 15:44.03 | foxlit | Can't; never bothered to use them. |
| 15:44.15 | foxlit | OPie supports 1023 natively, but I don't think I've ever had to bother. |
| 15:44.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you say that often. Almost... too often. Like you're trying to reinforce something. In yourself. |
| 15:44.31 | laeg | i'll search curse for OPie |
| 15:44.38 | foxlit | macaroon is probably the standard action bar sort of thing |
| 15:44.41 | nicoli_s | hates regexs |
| 15:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1: *cheeky grin* |
| 15:44.52 | laeg | foxlit: once it breaks 255 i'm happy |
| 15:44.53 | foxlit | You can't, of course, bypass the 255 character limit for /macro macros. |
| 15:45.16 | laeg | yeah but can't you make the macro read a text file with the +255 macro in it or something? |
| 15:46.16 | foxlit | Don't know. It'll probably truncate. |
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| 15:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | It's really uncommon for macros to be longer than the limit now-a-days. What on earth are you asking it to do? |
| 15:50.49 | ronghail_ | heh, not for boxers |
| 15:51.23 | ronghail_ | macaroon allows very long macros. and you can also get around it with /click |
| 15:53.08 | Lopeppeppy | True... I always forget multiboxing. |
| 15:53.37 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: You received 3 experience points and $100,000 for helping Mad Mariana complete the job. |
| 15:54.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for XP! |
| 15:55.08 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 15:55.16 | foxlit | grr, curse search tooltip |
| 15:56.21 | foxlit | (or, rather, guessing -- type "ClosetGnome", get "ClosetGnome_Tooltip" automatically suggested, and miss half a page worth of other results) |
| 15:56.33 | ronghail_ | I was going to show my 800 char shaman macro but while editing out toon names I found 2 bugs |
| 15:56.47 | mikma | hehee |
| 15:57.02 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.07 | nicoli_s | worldport is old school |
| 15:58.18 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:58.27 | nicoli_s | i remember using it to get around using the emus in alpha |
| 15:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 15:59.00 | foxlit | Speaking of that, What the heck is up with ClosetGnome? |
| 15:59.12 | Lopeppeppy | Closetgnome eats babies |
| 15:59.21 | foxlit | Perhaps. |
| 15:59.30 | foxlit | It seems to have switched to managing blizzard equipment manager sets? |
| 15:59.39 | Lunessa | Bah, wth is up with minion installing HealBot for me? |
| 15:59.54 | foxlit | It knows you want to. |
| 16:00.07 | Tenchworks | miss-tagged addon maybe? |
| 16:00.14 | Lunessa | HealBot makes me feel dirty! DIRTY I SAY! |
| 16:00.27 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, I had heard that. |
| 16:00.43 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, Minion has been having some issues recognizing stuffs... but he doesn't pee on the carpets!! |
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| 16:01.09 | nicoli_s | Lunessa, it has something to do with the way that minion identifies addons using the TOC |
| 16:01.11 | foxlit | I wonder who is responsible for this lunacy |
| 16:01.21 | Lunessa | I suspect that it's misidentifying many things. I'll have a better grasp on the scope when I can test after my raid. |
| 16:01.29 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, the author? :) |
| 16:01.39 | Lunessa | foxlit: Blame Shirik - everyone else does. |
| 16:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | you are at home raiding, and wasting time talking to me? :) |
| 16:02.12 | foxlit | "Use the equipment mananger as a backend for now, this will reset your sets again. Hopefully blizzards stuff doesn't suck." << yeah |
| 16:02.28 | foxlit | Well, that explains things |
| 16:02.48 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm at work, saving my sanity by talking to you. I has a raid tonight - to which you were invited *cough* - after said work. |
| 16:02.48 | Fisker- | an unstoppable force appears |
| 16:03.11 | Lunessa | A new challenger appears! |
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| 16:04.09 | Lopeppeppy | I sees not invitedness. Darn it. I always have Thursday plans though. |
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| 16:07.13 | Wobin | hm, Nelf bearform skins look creepy |
| 16:07.19 | Wobin | I much prefer the tauren ones |
| 16:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | Gonna suck your soul. |
| 16:07.27 | Lunessa | *cough* in-game calendar. :P |
| 16:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... that would mean I'd have to figure out how it's been hidden from me. *sigh* AbsoRayne has to be asleep, doesn't he? |
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| 16:08.47 | Lunessa | use /calendar |
| 16:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | I sent myself an email to home to look at it tomorrow while I'm waiting for my guest. |
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| 16:11.45 | Lopeppeppy | 150 pages. I can has lunch now. |
| 16:11.55 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, I've spent ALL morning to delete only HALF of the mail. |
| 16:15.35 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/yogi-says-yum-to-spicy-humans/2011 um. |
| 16:16.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple am dum. |
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| 16:30.38 | Matsy | Hey ;o |
| 16:31.19 | AbsolutRayne | Mornin |
| 16:31.24 | mikma | hey mats / nemona / matsy |
| 16:31.30 | Matsy | :( |
| 16:31.31 | Matsy | Yes |
| 16:31.32 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.35 | Matsy | I have too many nicknames. |
| 16:31.41 | Matsy | I'm sticking with Matsy, though. |
| 16:31.47 | mikma | and which one of them rocked your world? |
| 16:31.52 | Matsy | That one was already registered. |
| 16:32.48 | Matsy | That'd be Matsy |
| 16:32.51 | Matsy | I use that for everything |
| 16:32.54 | mikma | nemona was registered? |
| 16:33.02 | Matsy | I dont think so? |
| 16:33.06 | mikma | me neither |
| 16:33.10 | Matsy | Naw |
| 16:33.17 | Matsy | I already registered Matsy, ages back |
| 16:33.21 | Matsy | Saves me another NS register. |
| 16:33.42 | mikma | you beat me in the register for 12 weeks |
| 16:34.01 | Matsy | Haha |
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| 16:37.51 | msou| | which weapon is better: Greatsword of the sin'dorei or Clossal skull-clad cleaver axe? |
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| 16:38.23 | msou| | It does have have a 10+ more strength and stamina the sword and hit rating |
| 16:39.23 | Matsy | For? |
| 16:39.44 | Matsy | For what class, I mean |
| 16:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | And what are your stats and spec and preferred playing style? |
| 16:39.49 | msou| | Dk dps |
| 16:39.54 | mikma | DK Ranged DPS |
| 16:39.55 | Lopeppeppy | ... see, that's not an uncomplicated question. :) |
| 16:39.57 | Matsy | DPS? |
| 16:40.01 | Matsy | As in |
| 16:40.06 | Matsy | Unholy / Blood? |
| 16:40.12 | mikma | Dolly Parton Sexy?? |
| 16:40.14 | msou| | powewr: 2699 hit rating 255 crit chance 20.75 |
| 16:40.18 | mikma | moment, /wrists |
| 16:40.19 | msou| | Unholy |
| 16:41.09 | msou| | the axe has agility |
| 16:41.15 | Matsy | [Greatsword of the Sin'dorei] Sword 200 2,273.18. |
| 16:41.16 | Lunessa | 99 Red Balloons go by! |
| 16:41.24 | Matsy | And the axe isnt even in that list |
| 16:41.35 | Matsy | So, the sword is superiour ;p |
| 16:41.40 | msou| | you get the axe from lukan hol heroic |
| 16:41.42 | msou| | I see |
| 16:41.47 | Matsy | Get Titansteel Destroyer, though |
| 16:41.53 | Matsy | They're really easy to get |
| 16:42.08 | msou| | fro m where? |
| 16:42.15 | Matsy | Blacksmithers. |
| 16:42.17 | Matsy | It's like |
| 16:42.18 | Matsy | 600g. |
| 16:42.20 | msou| | oh I see |
| 16:42.31 | mikma | lunessa: POP! 98 now |
| 16:42.39 | msou| | yeah I'm doing lots of dailies |
| 16:42.50 | msou| | I do mining and blacksmithing sometimes |
| 16:42.50 | Matsy | What professions do you have? |
| 16:42.52 | Lunessa | mikma: you bastard! You killed Kenny. |
| 16:42.58 | msou| | take a wild guess |
| 16:43.06 | Matsy | Uh. |
| 16:43.06 | mikma | lunessa: screw you guy, i'm going home. |
| 16:43.12 | Matsy | Inscription? |
| 16:43.19 | msou| | Mining/Blacksmithing |
| 16:43.22 | Matsy | Or, Jewelcrafting |
| 16:43.32 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 16:43.38 | Matsy | Its a lot cheaper then. |
| 16:43.56 | msou| | I rarely buy things from AH |
| 16:43.59 | Matsy | You should have all mats already |
| 16:44.03 | Dagmar | All done leveling then? |
| 16:44.04 | msou| | thing it's pretty stupid to buy something while you can do it yourself =) |
| 16:44.10 | msou| | buying stuff are for the lazy ones :P |
| 16:44.17 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 16:44.17 | Dagmar | You're not considering time correctly. |
| 16:44.19 | Matsy | Don't do it. |
| 16:44.24 | Legorol | msou|: or those with no time but gold to burn |
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| 16:44.35 | msou| | Legorol: hehe |
| 16:44.43 | Dagmar | I have a mekgineer's chopper that I paid for with about six hours total work. |
| 16:44.49 | Dagmar | ...because I buy materials from teh auction house. |
| 16:44.58 | Dagmar | Ya'll should learn. |
| 16:45.00 | mikma | dagmar: must have been busy in the corner |
| 16:45.01 | msou| | I don't I just bought glyphs |
| 16:45.14 | Legorol | I'm serious. My playtime is precious. I make enough gold as it is. So if I need something, I usually buy it at a resonable price instead of spending ages farming mats. |
| 16:45.18 | msou| | nor sell things even |
| 16:45.25 | Dagmar | Legorol++ |
| 16:45.31 | msou| | whatever I get goes to a vendor.. making gold is pretty much easy |
| 16:45.40 | msou| | so far I did 19 dailies |
| 16:45.50 | msou| | that artisan skill helped speed things up |
| 16:45.59 | Matsy | Almost NO item takes ages to farm |
| 16:46.03 | Matsy | Especially not new-wotlk items |
| 16:46.05 | Matsy | They're all so eays |
| 16:46.17 | Dagmar | You can spend a couple hours farming borean leather, and then an hour or two more farming eternals, or you can spend _five minutes_ buying them from the AH. |
| 16:46.17 | Legorol | Matsy: yes they take ages, for my liking. |
| 16:46.19 | msou| | I just want to complete my tier 7 set |
| 16:46.32 | msou| | the weapon will get it from naxx eventually death's bite or some such |
| 16:46.37 | Legorol | If you have other sources of revenue, it's not worth farming mats for everything you make/do. |
| 16:46.43 | Dagmar | You take those mats and make them into something that sells for 400g, and you're done right there. |
| 16:46.43 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 16:46.47 | Matsy | That's true |
| 16:46.50 | Matsy | I get my revenue of doing dailies |
| 16:46.54 | Matsy | And mining / herbalism on the way |
| 16:46.55 | Dagmar | You've made money, the farmers you bought from made money, everyone's happy. |
| 16:47.06 | Legorol | My balance sheet is healthily positive. I have a decent income from stuff I just do normally in the game. |
| 16:47.14 | Matsy | Yeah! |
| 16:47.19 | Legorol | I do optimize though, for example I DE my greens instead of vendoring them. |
| 16:47.20 | Matsy | There shouldn't be any need to farm |
| 16:47.24 | msou| | I just don't knpw from which heroic I can get better back armor |
| 16:47.30 | Legorol | I also do hold on to anything valuable I come across that I know I'd have to buy on the AH later. |
| 16:47.36 | Legorol | But I odn't go out of my way to farm mats. |
| 16:47.58 | Legorol | I also have a very healthy cooking-recipe-selling business going ;) Takes minimal time, brings in a lot of cash. |
| 16:48.03 | Dagmar | Legorol: I usually give my greens a pass through the AH first. |
| 16:48.14 | Legorol | Dagmar: takes time, effort and deposit |
| 16:48.27 | Dagmar | If they don't sell on the first pass, they get de'd |
| 16:48.37 | Legorol | Lately I've been vendoring greens because I have enough enchant mats. |
| 16:48.49 | Legorol | The cooking recipe business is insane though. |
| 16:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | Always has been. |
| 16:49.00 | msou| | really? |
| 16:49.05 | Lunessa | Bah - I need to rebuild cash reserves. I spent all my gold buying Artisan + Cold Weather Flying for my 4th alt. |
| 16:49.10 | Dagmar | If you list greens for vendor+15% as the bid and vendor+(50-75% depending) as the buyout, they sell about 2/3-3/4 of the time |
| 16:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | I can buy them from the Lion Inn and walk them to the AH, sell them with ridiculous markup |
| 16:49.14 | Dagmar | ...for that buyout value. |
| 16:49.17 | Legorol | Once a month I spend an hour travelling around with my mage to visit vendors that sell unique recipes at around 1-2g in unlimited quantities. I stock up. |
| 16:49.23 | msou| | cause I got it to 100 something the other day felt like leveling it |
| 16:49.27 | Legorol | For the next month I steadily sell a wide selection of them at 25g each. |
| 16:49.53 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: yeah that works too, although on my server those recipes don't sell well. |
| 16:50.00 | Legorol | The really good ones are those that go for 25g :) |
| 16:50.18 | Legorol | sources are: fisherman in westfall, cook in booty bay, elf in feralas, that sort of things. |
| 16:50.18 | Dagmar | Meh. I don't mark up recipes more than 100% |
| 16:50.26 | Legorol | :O |
| 16:50.30 | Legorol | but most recipes are 1-2g |
| 16:50.31 | Dagmar | Maybe 1 in 100 don't sell |
| 16:50.37 | Dagmar | Batch posting is win |
| 16:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | Those go for more, of course, but the ones just from the Lion Inn I can make 50s on, which is great. |
| 16:50.47 | Legorol | and when I sell them for 25g i'm extortinate, and when I sell them for 15g they almost all sell |
| 16:51.03 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: 50s is not worth my time :) |
| 16:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | It is to me, I have baby alts. |
| 16:51.18 | Dagmar | Legorol: That's where batch posting comes in handy |
| 16:51.29 | Legorol | Dagmar: i do batch post |
| 16:51.30 | Dagmar | Mark 'em for batch posting in Auctioneer and it's just one click |
| 16:51.35 | Legorol | i do do that |
| 16:51.41 | Legorol | for 50s profit, even that's too much hassle for me |
| 16:51.50 | Legorol | it has to be 20g profit per item ;) |
| 16:52.25 | Dagmar | I kinda agree that 50s is a little skimpy, I just like to try to keep a full selection of recipes in the AH when I think of it |
| 16:52.26 | Legorol | i was seriously dumbstruck when i found out that those recipes do sell for 25g |
| 16:52.31 | msou| | meh, I do dailies |
| 16:52.53 | mikma | http://open.spotify.com/user/ingriddim/playlist/4mch6tL3lCuS2ETXjM2A53 <- :D |
| 16:52.54 | msou| | 19 two from heroics 26g each ithink |
| 16:53.05 | Legorol | msou|: feel free. Do 20 dailies in 2 hours, or log into your AH alt and collect your mail for 300-500g in 1 minute. |
| 16:53.08 | Legorol | Take your pick ;) |
| 16:53.13 | msou| | or 22 can't remember |
| 16:53.27 | msou| | haha |
| 16:53.42 | Dagmar | Small eggs. |
| 16:53.47 | Dagmar | Hang onto them all year long. |
| 16:53.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh gods yes. |
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| 16:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | I make my baby alts farm them for XP. :) |
| 16:54.09 | Dagmar | I just walk around two-clicking dragonhawks in belftown |
| 16:54.22 | Dagmar | For some reason I can't loot them when I walk up to them at first. |
| 16:54.36 | Legorol | btw WoW economy is a giant pyramid scheme |
| 16:54.38 | Dagmar | Something to do with hit points. |
| 16:55.01 | Legorol | the small fry pay gold to the bigger fry, who buy the items from the even bigger fries, who buy from those who get recipes/plans server first |
| 16:55.21 | Dagmar | That's actually trickle-down economics. ;) |
| 16:55.26 | Dagmar | In _games_ it works. |
| 16:56.23 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/sense11.jpg |
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| 16:56.47 | Dagmar | NSFW |
| 16:56.50 | Dagmar | (technically) |
| 16:56.57 | mikma | ... |
| 16:57.00 | Legorol | does it have naked chicks? |
| 16:57.00 | mikma | sure, whatever |
| 16:57.15 | Dagmar | Two of them, but it's not exactly what you'd call tittilating (or easily recognizable as such) |
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| 16:57.21 | mikma | just another ameridork vs rest of the world -issue |
| 16:57.35 | Dagmar | HR policies are a bitch, man |
| 16:57.52 | mikma | thank god that doesn't affect the rest of the world ^^ |
| 16:57.58 | Lunessa | Yet. |
| 16:58.02 | mikma | never. |
| 16:58.15 | msou| | dunno if I can do raids os10 already or not |
| 16:58.29 | msou| | most of them ask for stats achievements and I don't know which achievements they are after |
| 16:58.31 | Lunessa | You wait. Someone, somewhere, will start enough of a shitstorm that HR departments will have new rules. |
| 16:58.44 | msou| | got that one for doing all heroics and my stats dunno if they're good enough or not |
| 16:59.03 | mikma | sure, have new rules all you want :) they still don't affect people outside usa |
| 16:59.12 | msou| | I place nowadays either 1 or 2 and depens of the 1 if he has better epic |
| 16:59.15 | Dagmar | If you cen do heroics without a struggle you're probably geared enough for OS10 |
| 16:59.27 | msou| | Hmmm |
| 16:59.34 | Dagmar | Just link them the Superior achievement. ;) |
| 16:59.40 | nevcairiel | we went to naxx and os10 with our lvl70 raid gear on |
| 16:59.41 | msou| | sturggle when I play with ppl don't know how to pull |
| 16:59.47 | msou| | haha |
| 16:59.56 | msou| | you should come to kazzak eu realm |
| 17:00.01 | nevcairiel | it was no issue at all |
| 17:00.16 | msou| | I swear on my mother soul one was asking for stats + achievements for threat from above group quest |
| 17:00.17 | Dagmar | If you're clued you can get by with minimalistic gear |
| 17:00.25 | Dagmar | Oh wow that's dim |
| 17:00.34 | msou| | let me get yoy the link |
| 17:00.34 | nevcairiel | i solo that quest |
| 17:00.44 | nevcairiel | srsly |
| 17:00.44 | Dagmar | I've seen that dragon and his buddies drop before I can finish a rotation |
| 17:00.56 | msou| | hrm |
| 17:01.01 | msou| | eu.wowarmory down it seems |
| 17:01.09 | Dagmar | 5 guys epiced out > Chillmaw |
| 17:01.21 | nevcairiel | 1 epic feral > chillmaw =P |
| 17:01.29 | nevcairiel | DKs probably too |
| 17:01.33 | nevcairiel | maybe paladins |
| 17:01.38 | durcyn | even easier for DKs |
| 17:01.45 | nevcairiel | i've seen locks do it |
| 17:01.49 | nevcairiel | takes them a while, though |
| 17:01.50 | durcyn | and yeah, i giggled after i soloed it on my feral :< |
| 17:01.56 | Dagmar | I've done it with my monkey |
| 17:02.05 | Dagmar | It's just messy if you don't pay attention |
| 17:02.16 | msou| | What should I tell them when they ask for stats achievements? |
| 17:02.25 | nevcairiel | I was seriously pissed when i was soloing him and some other guy stole me one of the adds |
| 17:02.26 | durcyn | msou|: tell them 'ni hao' |
| 17:02.27 | msou| | show my northrend heroics achievement |
| 17:02.32 | msou| | haha |
| 17:02.33 | Dagmar | *Can* you link them Superior? (All items over ilevel 200) |
| 17:02.34 | nevcairiel | so i did him again, just to piss him off, and well get my add |
| 17:02.46 | nevcairiel | i'm faster at pulling, i guess =P |
| 17:02.56 | msou| | eu.wowarmory down |
| 17:03.27 | msou| | bleh wanted to show what epic items I have |
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| 17:03.45 | Dagmar | The DPS question is a bit annoying. |
| 17:03.54 | msou| | true |
| 17:04.00 | nevcairiel | i'm so glad that i don't play a dps role |
| 17:04.04 | msou| | I find it annoying asking for stats |
| 17:04.14 | msou| | healer or tank? |
| 17:04.19 | nevcairiel | both |
| 17:04.22 | Dagmar | If they can't handle the answer "2300 against the target dummy unbuffed" then I probably don't want anything to do with them |
| 17:04.57 | nevcairiel | i'm playing mostly only my druid these days, as healer/tank dual-spec |
| 17:05.26 | nevcairiel | healer in full t8 gear, tank only gets the left-overs, so t7.5 :( |
| 17:05.47 | nevcairiel | if someone asks for my gear, i don't even bother responding =P |
| 17:06.05 | zenzelezz | "We may build our homes on your lovely Hat" o_O |
| 17:06.37 | nevcairiel | also, doing some heavy compilations in a VM while wow is running, not beneficial for performance |
| 17:07.06 | zenzelezz | then you're not trying hard enough |
| 17:07.09 | zenzelezz | spawn more processes! |
| 17:07.22 | msou| | goess I will lfg to do gundrak old kingdom hopefully I get better rings |
| 17:07.45 | nevcairiel | i keep wondering if i turned the virtualisation features off in the bios |
| 17:07.55 | nevcairiel | i wonder if i can check without rebooting |
| 17:08.13 | zenzelezz | system info utilities can probably tell you |
| 17:08.21 | zenzelezz | Sandra/EVEREST/whatever they're called |
| 17:13.08 | mikma | OMG OMG OMG SFW PORN! http://tissi.apina.biz/medium/m_17042.jpg |
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| 17:18.52 | Fisker- | old |
| 17:21.05 | AckisWork | dude |
| 17:21.07 | AckisWork | that site is NSFW |
| 17:21.09 | AckisWork | wtf |
| 17:21.13 | AckisWork | the adds and shit |
| 17:21.14 | AckisWork | man |
| 17:21.24 | zenzelezz | he linked a picture, not a site |
| 17:21.49 | Kirov | mikma - have you seen the diesel ad? |
| 17:22.04 | Kirov | http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/9/Diesel-SFW-XXX-577249.html |
| 17:23.01 | Kraps | lame i cant find dollhouse epidode 1 online |
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| 17:24.34 | mikma | kirov: i will tell you when i have watched it |
| 17:25.56 | mikma | kirov: yeah, still good :) |
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| 17:27.53 | Lunessa | Oh man... my office mate found an internet music station that will play popular tunes based on a year selection... I'm totally having flashbacks. |
| 17:30.42 | mikma | i'm having flashbacks with this spotify playlist :D |
| 17:30.44 | Lopeppeppy | That's scary, Lunessa. |
| 17:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | I like my Pandora, but it's not year-specific |
| 17:31.15 | mikma | Ice Ice Baby (Edit) - Vanilla Ice |
| 17:31.16 | Lunessa | 1984 is reliving itself in this office right now. I need parachute pants and a member's only jacket... |
| 17:31.31 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:31.37 | Lopeppeppy | Stirrup pants, baby! |
| 17:31.56 | mikma | Come as You Are - Nirvana |
| 17:32.24 | Lunessa | mikma: 84, not 94 |
| 17:32.39 | mikma | lunessa: 90's <3 |
| 17:33.24 | Lunessa | mikma: Long after the influence of 90s music has faded, people will still be feeling the impact of the 80s. :P |
| 17:33.39 | Kraps | just saw a little of dollhouse, i'm smiling like a dope |
| 17:33.49 | mikma | lunessa: but that's not what i'm listening at the moment, hah |
| 17:33.53 | Kraps | <---- sucker for scifi |
| 17:34.29 | durcyn | Kraps: i'm still in shock over fox ordering a second season |
| 17:34.33 | Lunessa | Kraps: Really? I watched like 3 episodes and it was so crappy I've given up on Joss Whedon. |
| 17:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | Tiffany! |
| 17:34.43 | Lopeppeppy | Samantha Fox! |
| 17:35.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Samantha was hawt. I had posters of her in my room. |
| 17:35.21 | Kraps | Lunessa: i cant find the beginning online |
| 17:35.29 | mikma | samantha fox strip poker |
| 17:35.34 | Lunessa | Kraps: I watched it on hulu |
| 17:35.55 | Kraps | but i saw a little where the actives wake up |
| 17:36.06 | Kraps | on their own |
| 17:36.29 | Kraps | Lunessa: they took the first few episodes off |
| 17:37.03 | NeoTron | I'm pissed they didn't renew terminator but ah well |
| 17:37.09 | NeoTron | fox isn't known for keeping their shows going |
| 17:37.16 | End | indeed |
| 17:37.23 | mikma | atleast they renewed Chuck |
| 17:37.27 | mikma | too bad for Life, tho :( |
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| 17:37.47 | Lunessa | Life dies after season 2? Boo. |
| 17:37.49 | Xuerian | Where is foxlit |
| 17:37.51 | Xuerian | I must hug him |
| 17:37.57 | mikma | lunessa: yeah :( |
| 17:37.59 | foxlit | is hidden. |
| 17:38.04 | Xuerian | D: |
| 17:38.14 | Xuerian | Nested rings = teh awesomest. |
| 17:38.17 | durcyn | Lunessa: WHAT? |
| 17:38.28 | foxlit | <3 |
| 17:38.34 | Xuerian | Need a deadzone option for the rings, though, or am I missing it? Quick action is good, but i need to easily be able to deadzone out of it |
| 17:38.35 | durcyn | damian lewis is like the best actor ever, this angers me |
| 17:38.39 | Kraps | whats Life about? |
| 17:38.48 | mikma | durcyn: go and buy the Band of Brothers box then |
| 17:38.51 | Kraps | dont say 42 pls :) |
| 17:38.54 | durcyn | mikma: i have it |
| 17:39.01 | foxlit | Center action works for r < 20; slice actions work for r > 40 |
| 17:39.01 | mikma | durcyn: awesome! |
| 17:39.08 | foxlit | 20 < r < 40 is dead :) |
| 17:39.09 | durcyn | mikma: hell, i ordered hbo just for the premiere when it came out |
| 17:39.10 | mikma | durcyn: Life season1 dvdbox? :) |
| 17:39.38 | durcyn | psh, bittorrent >_> |
| 17:39.38 | durcyn | is it out? |
| 17:39.38 | mikma | yeap |
| 17:39.43 | mikma | i bought it at the same day it was released in finland |
| 17:39.46 | Lunessa | durcyn: I really liked the show - it was quirky and I like quirky. |
| 17:40.01 | foxlit | If you're looking for a quick way to get yourself a headache, I recommend adding multiple ring slices of itself to a ring. |
| 17:40.13 | durcyn | Lunessa: exactly. the writing for lewis' character was great |
| 17:40.15 | Xuerian | foxlit: Right, that's a little tight for twitch actions for me. Is there a hidden setting for that, or am i gonna need to add that myself? |
| 17:40.23 | Xuerian | foxlit: Echoes o.0 |
| 17:40.26 | mikma | lunessa: atleast people are saying that Life got a cool ending |
| 17:40.31 | Lunessa | Yes. And the cast was generally excellent. |
| 17:40.39 | foxlit | Nah, it's horribly hard-coded. |
| 17:40.47 | Lunessa | mikma: Season 2 ends on a interesting, but hanging note. |
| 17:40.56 | mikma | lunessa: oh bummer |
| 17:41.09 | Xuerian | foxlit: Well, I guess I can't have everything my way :p. Any tips as to where I should start looking? |
| 17:41.26 | mikma | awesome, 21 episodes on season 2 |
| 17:41.30 | Lunessa | It turns out that if I like something, it dies. |
| 17:41.31 | foxlit | Things that do things are in OneRingLib.lua; things that show things are in OneRingIndication.lua |
| 17:41.47 | mikma | episode 10 came from tv on monday |
| 17:42.01 | foxlit | If you search for [=[, you'll find the restricted environment code relatively quickly. |
| 17:42.26 | Lunessa | I liked "The Black Donnelys" - even though that show had a built-in expiration, it could have been stretched. I'm afraid now to say I like "In Plain Sight" and "Burn Notice" |
| 17:42.30 | mikma | lunessa: well, chuck season2 final episode had a huge "TO BE CONTINUED..." text |
| 17:42.45 | mikma | lunessa: and they cancelled it. but, now WB took the series over |
| 17:42.52 | mikma | for another 14 episodes, atleast |
| 17:43.17 | Lunessa | At least it will be back. The Writer's strike almost killed it entirely. |
| 17:43.37 | Xuerian | foxlit: Thanky |
| 17:43.42 | durcyn | Burn Notice isn't that bad, for an effing USA Network show |
| 17:43.53 | Lunessa | And while I like "Castle" I expect it to go poof soon too. |
| 17:44.16 | Lunessa | durcyn: USANetwork is just NBC under a different name. |
| 17:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | I want Special Unit 2 back. And for Sanctuary to be good. |
| 17:44.30 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Both shows... HORRIBLE |
| 17:44.47 | durcyn | Lunessa: i don't know, they seem to reserve the lower production quality for the cable network |
| 17:45.18 | Lunessa | durcyn: Yeah, but those two shows have a budget and a decent team. |
| 17:45.32 | Lunessa | And I'm a guy who doesn't /like/ television. |
| 17:46.15 | mikma | *GAH* |
| 17:46.24 | mikma | need... THIS! http://www.netanttila.com/products/large_173x244/1964030.jpg |
| 17:46.56 | foxlit | I taught my blame graph what time is: http://www.go-hero.net/box/th/ord-blame.png |
| 17:47.06 | foxlit | er, http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/ord-blame.png |
| 17:48.02 | foxlit | (lines of code from a particular release versus time) |
| 17:48.07 | Lunessa | foxlit: That graph is missing a big red slice for "Blame Yoko Ono" |
| 17:48.11 | mikma | http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/6535334/Futurama-Complete-Seasons-1-4-Collection-Box-Set/Product.html |
| 17:48.22 | mikma | that box is *awesome* :D |
| 17:49.06 | mikma | also, House s05 last episode was really odd |
| 17:49.14 | mikma | left a small wtf -feeling |
| 17:50.44 | NeoTron | I think any show that has more than 2 seasons on FOX is a reality show :P |
| 17:51.01 | NeoTron | should know better than to watch fox tv shows |
| 17:51.41 | Lunessa | RealityTV is not real! |
| 17:52.24 | Xuerian | randomly tackles Foxlit, then continues messing around with self-reflecting rings. |
| 17:52.45 | foxlit | I heard someone got a C-stack overflow in OPie secure code |
| 17:52.48 | foxlit | I haven't seen them since. |
| 17:55.06 | foxlit | (which is annoying -- presumably, some issue exists, I just have no details on how to reproduce it) |
| 17:58.45 | zenzelezz | infinite rings in rings? |
| 17:58.56 | Xuerian | It just skips past the sub-ring, division by zero is impossible :( |
| 18:00.11 | Xuerian | Though, if you add a similar entry to both rings... |
| 18:00.21 | Xuerian | promptly punches more doom numbers into the calculator. |
| 18:02.40 | foxlit | Does it compute? |
| 18:04.05 | mikma | nsfw, be aware of the content: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc0_1243424473 |
| 18:04.45 | foxlit | With a url like that, how are we supposed to know what we're getting into? |
| 18:05.01 | mikma | you can always ask |
| 18:05.06 | Xuerian | I don't think so, actually. You can change the active object of the reflected rings for any slices representing it in the current ring, but you can't manipulate rings down the chain, it won't select self-slices or even parse what it should be displaying for itself |
| 18:05.07 | mikma | Man electrocuted live, dies - Warning Graphic |
| 18:05.11 | mikma | Somewhere in India. The man seemed mentally ill. |
| 18:05.51 | Kraps | hit cap for a 2h is 5%? |
| 18:06.07 | Zhinjio | thats pertty fucked up |
| 18:06.13 | foxlit | "even parse what it should be displaying for itself" << should I be concerned? |
| 18:06.16 | durcyn | Kraps: don't you want 8% for specials anyway |
| 18:06.29 | Kraps | ah ok |
| 18:06.46 | durcyn | well, 5% for pvp |
| 18:07.18 | Kraps | yeah thats what i mean |
| 18:07.48 | Kraps | why would it be LOWER against a player? |
| 18:08.05 | durcyn | because players aren't level 83 |
| 18:08.06 | foxlit | because things are, generally |
| 18:08.15 | durcyn | if you find one that is, let me know |
| 18:08.22 | foxlit | The idea is that higher level players aren't as invincible as higher-level mobs |
| 18:08.31 | foxlit | (someone's attempt at PvP balance, no less) |
| 18:09.32 | Kraps | so having it higher than 5 is a waste? |
| 18:10.44 | Kraps | but i would need more for pve |
| 18:11.13 | Kraps | damn wow and its bag space |
| 18:11.47 | durcyn | Kraps: what class? |
| 18:11.55 | Kraps | warrior |
| 18:12.35 | durcyn | sounds like excuses then =P |
| 18:12.57 | Kraps | :( |
| 18:13.13 | Xuerian | foxlit: Well, my scenario has two rings: Ring a with random ablities, itself, and ring b. Ring b with a, b, and random. Ring A will draw itself, then itself in a slice, but that slice will not draw itself, only a ring-icon. It will draw ring b, which in turn can have a selected item from ring a, which will be drawn. ... I think. I need to screenshot this to explain it properly, but apparently i'm healing u25 |
| 18:13.39 | Lopeppeppy | I want cookies. *sigh* |
| 18:13.52 | Kraps | durcyn: you're going to say that warriors are op now? :( |
| 18:13.52 | alestane | Cookies are good... |
| 18:14.11 | durcyn | Kraps: only in that you don't have to waste a bag slot on ammo or shards ;) |
| 18:14.54 | Xuerian | foxlit: Perhaps my bumbling explanations stem from my expectations of nested rings, I was thinking back to NWN and later Sprocket which swapped the center ring based on choices made, clicked the mouse back to the center, and allowed progression down through the rings like that |
| 18:14.58 | Xuerian | This works, just differently |
| 18:15.01 | Kraps | LOOK AT ALL MY FROSTWEAVE |
| 18:15.48 | Lopeppeppy | Mine. |
| 18:16.01 | Kraps | AND 2 gear sets |
| 18:16.09 | Xuerian | foxlit: I'd make a video of nwn's ring menu, but I can't seem to get camstudio to capture correctly at first try <.< |
| 18:17.05 | kneeki | Yee! I wrote my first java program =) |
| 18:17.14 | Matsy | Nice Keenki! |
| 18:17.15 | Matsy | Kneeki |
| 18:17.24 | Matsy | How do you like the programming language? |
| 18:17.31 | kneeki | If I wanted to get it to launch every 5 minutes, should I use the windows task scheduler? |
| 18:17.33 | Dashkal | Cat form model 'preview': http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/17367600811-i-thought-new-druid-models-would-show-armor.html |
| 18:17.40 | Matsy | Uh. |
| 18:17.42 | kneeki | Matsy: It's really not that bad. Really easy to read once you get the hang of it |
| 18:17.50 | Matsy | Kneeki |
| 18:17.58 | Matsy | Java should interfere with Windows as little as possible |
| 18:18.07 | kneeki | Now you tell me |
| 18:18.10 | Matsy | You're better off having the application running all the time. |
| 18:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | Love it! |
| 18:18.22 | kneeki | I thought about that as well |
| 18:18.23 | Xuerian | Dashkal: Their resistance only makes the easily-locateable reskins better |
| 18:18.24 | Matsy | And then do something every 5 minutes |
| 18:18.30 | kneeki | Create a little system tray icon thing maybe |
| 18:18.44 | Dashkal | kneeki: Have a look at the task tray API (it's new in Java 6). Reside in there |
| 18:18.56 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 18:19.36 | durcyn | Dashkal: Amazing. |
| 18:19.42 | Kraps | awesome pic Dashkal |
| 18:19.57 | Dashkal | <3 Eyonix |
| 18:21.15 | kneeki | Hmm, I'm going to need a neat icon for this. |
| 18:21.15 | dardack | yawn |
| 18:21.15 | dardack | airtonix you on? |
| 18:21.15 | Dashkal | kneeki: http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/ |
| 18:21.33 | kneeki | nice! |
| 18:21.49 | kneeki | That's a crazy amount of icons |
| 18:22.00 | Dashkal | cc-attribution :D |
| 18:22.30 | dardack | icon overload |
| 18:22.52 | Dashkal | dardack: There's even a companion set made by someone else: http://damieng.com/creative/icons/silk-companion-1-icons |
| 18:23.05 | Dashkal | You know, just in case silk wasn't enough |
| 18:23.27 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/17367770736-petition-buff-hogger.html |
| 18:23.28 | dardack | i see |
| 18:23.45 | Dashkal | Though part of why silk is so huge is that there's a lot of icons with emblems on them. Something that's pretty easy to do by hand in java code if you aren't afraid of java2d |
| 18:23.54 | Kraps | blues in a good mood? |
| 18:24.00 | dardack | i used to program little games in Allegro, there was a free graphics set that a lot of people used. forget what it was called now |
| 18:24.03 | Xuerian | foxlit: Also... how do I remove things from the ring.... button seems to have vanished >_> |
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| 18:24.21 | Xuerian | neeevermind |
| 18:24.24 | Xuerian | puts his hat on. |
| 18:24.50 | dardack | i think in next xpac put in hoggers son or osmethign somewhere |
| 18:25.00 | Xuerian | Incidentally, having slices of abilities that don't exist causes the ring to break >_> |
| 18:25.03 | dardack | like a revenge on all the ally that killed his father |
| 18:25.30 | Dashkal | One of these days I need to go back with a level 9 hunter and see if I can solo hogger from his far spawn. I've never managed to pull it off :( |
| 18:25.49 | Dashkal | He always catches me before I get to the guards. I suck at kiting |
| 18:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | I've solo'd hogger. *proud* |
| 18:26.07 | AckisWork | me too! |
| 18:26.17 | dardack | as a DK i can proudly say that on my 5th attempt i was able to solo hogger |
| 18:26.23 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 18:27.00 | dardack | sorry couldn't resist |
| 18:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 18:27.19 | Dashkal | DKs who want to inflate their "deaths to hogger" stat have a really suck time :p |
| 18:27.22 | dardack | i hate that you can't fly over WG, i hate taking FP's |
| 18:27.44 | durcyn | no fly zones are the single most annoying thing blizzard's ever done |
| 18:27.53 | dardack | like to land in dalaran you fly all the way around dalaran, wtf is up with that |
| 18:27.59 | nevcairiel | at least they changed the FP route to sholazar to go over WG and not fly around the whole world |
| 18:28.03 | dardack | you waste 53 seconds |
| 18:28.25 | Dashkal | dardack: You want to land in dalaran, you just land in dalaran. Taking off from it otoh |
| 18:28.25 | NeoTron | but think of the atmosphere! |
| 18:28.33 | NeoTron | dalaran would be no funs with flying mounts!@!!@ |
| 18:28.39 | dardack | nevcairiel: true that, but when i want to go from the basin to the ford, it's a long ass FP, i would rather fly myself |
| 18:28.52 | dardack | Dashkal: i'm saying landing from FP's not flyin mounts |
| 18:28.58 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 18:29.05 | Dashkal | this is true. wtf's up with the circle around the city? |
| 18:29.10 | dardack | it's my second most pet peeve |
| 18:29.22 | durcyn | Dashkal: RP, basically |
| 18:29.28 | dardack | like WG should not be in the center of the map |
| 18:29.51 | dardack | make it so you can avoid it to fly everywhere from everywhere put keep it like all east, all west or all north |
| 18:29.52 | Dashkal | For RP purposes it would make sense only on the first time to enter. After that, my character just wants to land so he can get to business. |
| 18:29.54 | dardack | or south i guess |
| 18:30.14 | dardack | i wish they hadn't removed +10% to mounted speed trinkets |
| 18:30.18 | dardack | don't even understand why |
| 18:30.22 | Dashkal | is still bitter |
| 18:30.42 | Dashkal | Even removing them entirely would be an improvement to what they did |
| 18:30.49 | Dashkal | Ding 71! Congrats! You're slower! |
| 18:30.51 | dardack | did they also change the item from the Netherwings to be 70 only? |
| 18:31.05 | dardack | i know Dashkal it is annoying |
| 18:31.05 | Dashkal | And this coming from a DK who always takes OaPH |
| 18:31.53 | foxlit | Xuerian: the idea is that it'll allow recursion (so you can point at a ring slice which points at a ring slice which points at a ring slice... which points to a proper slice) but disallow infinite recursion. If it thinks the particular slice will lead to an infinite loop, it'll display the ring icon graphic and skip past the slice while scrolling |
| 18:32.06 | dardack | OaPH? |
| 18:32.06 | Xuerian | foxlit: then workign as expected |
| 18:32.14 | Dashkal | On a Pale Horse |
| 18:32.29 | dardack | man i wish i wasn't blood for that |
| 18:32.32 | Dashkal | also, woot to the Piers Anthony reference |
| 18:32.34 | dardack | or that it was higher in the tree |
| 18:32.43 | Lopeppeppy | I did like the first few books of that series. |
| 18:32.43 | Dashkal | I'm blood and I take it. Just not on my raid-dps spec |
| 18:32.45 | dardack | how come pallies all get crusader but OaPH is kinda deep |
| 18:32.53 | dardack | i'm tank |
| 18:33.00 | dardack | so your solo dps spec has it? |
| 18:33.03 | Dashkal | yep |
| 18:33.07 | Dashkal | The only time I care, really |
| 18:33.08 | dardack | maybe i'll change |
| 18:33.13 | Dashkal | when in raid spec, I'm not mounted much :p |
| 18:33.18 | dardack | true dat |
| 18:33.27 | dardack | it's sad my solo spec is clsoe to my raid tank spec |
| 18:33.35 | dardack | just with all the self heals in my solo spec |
| 18:33.38 | Dashkal | You're a DK, there's lots of overlap. |
| 18:33.57 | Dashkal | Funny how those few talent differences change everything, though |
| 18:34.03 | dardack | yea i just take bloodworms,runetap, subversion instead |
| 18:34.25 | dardack | well i have 13 in unholy in my solo, so only need 4 more points |
| 18:34.33 | dardack | take out blood gorged |
| 18:34.37 | Dashkal | I took rune tap in my blood/tank spec. Rather liked the free pot |
| 18:35.05 | dardack | yea i think we got into this before |
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| 18:35.23 | dardack | just the 1 or all 4? |
| 18:35.31 | Dashkal | One of my oh shit buttons was blood-tap/rune-tap and the other was IBF/VB/Health trinket |
| 18:35.42 | Dashkal | 4. 1 didn't heal enough for me to care. |
| 18:35.48 | Dashkal | Been awhile (pre 3.1) |
| 18:35.55 | Dashkal | I never got a chance to tank again after 3.1 |
| 18:35.58 | dardack | yea with the buff to DS |
| 18:36.07 | dardack | i'm getting healed for 6.7k |
| 18:36.12 | Dashkal | Nice |
| 18:36.36 | Dashkal | With that buff I'd be willing to try to blood tank again (immediately after 3.1 I was squishy as hell in naxx as blood) |
| 18:36.43 | Dashkal | But it's moot. |
| 18:36.48 | dardack | you were? |
| 18:36.55 | dardack | i still MT/OT in naxx |
| 18:36.58 | dardack | anyways |
| 18:36.59 | Dashkal | My guild turned 5 nights a week hardcore. I stopped raiding (not willing to give up that much time) |
| 18:37.09 | dardack | hell ya man i hear you |
| 18:37.13 | dardack | i do tues/thur/sat |
| 18:37.24 | dardack | i did run wednesday cause my wife was out of the house and nothing good on tv |
| 18:37.29 | dardack | so ran like 6 alts through 10 naxx |
| 18:37.40 | dardack | last night i guess |
| 18:37.44 | dardack | dang i loose track of time |
| 18:37.47 | Kraps | reward long time players? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367770569&sid=1 |
| 18:38.03 | Dashkal | I started in '05. *shrugs* such a reward doesn't affect me |
| 18:38.12 | Dashkal | I did make 60 before BC, though |
| 18:38.25 | dardack | yea i was 2 months late, january 2005, well only 1 month 1 week about |
| 18:39.03 | Primer | heh my guild runs 25 man Ulduar 2 nights a week |
| 18:39.12 | Primer | Fri/Sat |
| 18:39.22 | Primer | which works out great for me |
| 18:39.24 | dardack | my sometimes only issue with blood can be aoe in the begining if i'm playing with a fury warr who ww's, i'll drop DnD, it/ps, hit pest to spread it but have to then wait another 6-7 seconds to get a blood boil off |
| 18:39.28 | dardack | we run 25 on sat |
| 18:39.31 | dardack | sun |
| 18:39.37 | dardack | sometimes i go sun sometimes i skip |
| 18:39.41 | dardack | 10 is tues/thurs |
| 18:40.10 | Dashkal | Primer: Had my guild remained 2 nights a week, I probably would still be running with them. But they just added Ulduar, still run Naxx, and threw an extra day in for the hell of it :S |
| 18:40.36 | Primer | we're only 6/14 in Ulduar. Attendance has been spotty, and we've had to pug |
| 18:40.43 | Primer | usually 2-3 DPS |
| 18:40.45 | dardack | Dashkal: i feel y aman, i used to be in a guild raiding 6 nights aweek, then met a woman, got married, had a kid (now 2) so i gave that up |
| 18:40.52 | Dashkal | Chef Brian plays wow: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367980839&sid=1 |
| 18:40.59 | dardack | we're only 8 |
| 18:41.05 | dardack | we're kinda laid back |
| 18:41.06 | Primer | heh, I already had the woman and 2 kids when I started :) |
| 18:41.22 | dardack | i remember holding my first child on my chest while raiding ony |
| 18:41.31 | Dashkal | They were at 5 last I checked. Dunno if they were going to move in on council or pounce-lady |
| 18:41.31 | dardack | it's when i began cutting back |
| 18:41.45 | dardack | isn't council 5? |
| 18:41.49 | kd3 | Dashkal, the hell? |
| 18:42.03 | Dashkal | They did the birdge (I can never remember spellings) |
| 18:42.28 | Dashkal | kd3: Totally reminds me of Chef Brian from Ctrl-Alt-Del |
| 18:42.50 | AckisWork | dardack: it's that damn woman that caused me to stop raiding pretty much |
| 18:43.06 | kd3 | nah, he's not insane enough |
| 18:43.09 | dardack | oh kolo |
| 18:43.18 | dardack | AckisWork: what damn woman? |
| 18:43.20 | Dashkal | kd3: *snickers* lucid moment for him them |
| 18:43.32 | AckisWork | dardack: my gf :P |
| 18:43.39 | dardack | heh |
| 18:43.41 | Primer | I just sleep less :) |
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| 18:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | poisons Ackis' mountain dew |
| 18:44.09 | dardack | my wife is pretty cool, i really think 3 nights a week is plenty for raiding, i mean kids grow so fast, my daughter is already starting soccer and she's only 2.5 |
| 18:44.16 | dardack | so i have less and less time as things go on |
| 18:44.17 | Kraps | Dashkal: (do you have to stop raiding? they dont let you do some days?) this was going to be my question but i realized how dumb it sounds. my guild only does it because people jump in and out of raids like theres a very fast revolving door |
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| 18:44.48 | Dashkal | Kraps: I'm welcome to continue to raid when them only when I choose. They're laid back in that regard. I had some other reasons that cinched the deal. |
| 18:45.09 | Kraps | ah nice |
| 18:45.40 | Lunessa | *sigh* sheeple. |
| 18:45.45 | Dashkal | 10 minutes between pulls and things like that. |
| 18:46.17 | Lopeppeppy | fed-exes Lunessa some mint jelly |
| 18:46.43 | zenzelezz | omg exe, virus! |
| 18:46.50 | dardack | i hate that Dashkal , last night in 10 man, even with alts, i was just chain pulling all over |
| 18:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaaaaaaaa! |
| 18:46.54 | dardack | heal me or die |
| 18:46.55 | Lunessa | And next up, a management "feedback" meeting. |
| 18:46.57 | Dashkal | Mint Jelly. Sounds wonderful, but I need ideas for how to use it. Mint + bread just doesn't work for me |
| 18:47.01 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew, Lunessa. |
| 18:47.11 | Zhinjio | in yoghurt |
| 18:47.23 | Dashkal | dardack: *nods* exactly. I blew a gasket when they were working on Razorscale. Haven't been back since. |
| 18:47.28 | Lopeppeppy | dip shortbreads into ti. |
| 18:47.32 | Zhinjio | on ice cream |
| 18:47.36 | Dashkal | I spent more time playing peggle than working on the boss. Not cool |
| 18:48.07 | dardack | well in naxx everyone had been so i didn't hav eto explain boss fights, usually in uld now that we are clearing 8 bosses, thsoe 8 i don't have to explain unless we bring someone new |
| 18:48.11 | Kraps | same with my guild, takes forever between wipes |
| 18:48.16 | dardack | but usually i expain, do this this this, now let's go |
| 18:48.17 | Lunessa | Last night, using 1/2 pugs and mostly new raiders, we did Naxx-10 military wing - it took 2.5 hours. /cry. |
| 18:48.33 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 18:48.45 | dardack | wait 1 wing took that long? |
| 18:48.52 | dardack | damn last night we did whole thing in about 2.5 |
| 18:49.14 | Dashkal | I haven't seen that guild do Naxx in a night. Epicly slow |
| 18:49.19 | Lunessa | dardack: Rasuvius fight has a steep learning curve. |
| 18:49.28 | Dashkal | They weren't doing Kara in a single night until post 2.4 |
| 18:49.41 | dardack | wait in 10? |
| 18:49.49 | dardack | rasuvious is like omg cake sauce in 10 |
| 18:50.11 | dardack | i've only had issues with him in 25, especialy before dual specs |
| 18:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | This is why I hate raiding sometimes. If you're not perfect, you're an idiot, universal truth, no exceptions. |
| 18:50.30 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I'm an idiot no matter what |
| 18:50.40 | AckisWork | you get used to it |
| 18:50.43 | dardack | wait i'm not saying if your not perfect your an idiot |
| 18:50.45 | AckisWork | on a side note, any accountants here/ |
| 18:50.49 | dardack | me |
| 18:50.55 | Lunessa | dardack: Scroll up - 1/2 pugs (5!!!) and ALL but 3 new raiders. |
| 18:51.14 | AckisWork | dardack: are you a student? and willing to work for a pittance? |
| 18:51.27 | dardack | no i'm not a student |
| 18:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | And then re-read what you said, and you know why I feel discouraged by your statements. |
| 18:51.30 | Kraps | i dont even like healing instances on my 74 priest because i cant control the speed of the run |
| 18:51.31 | AckisWork | darn |
| 18:51.32 | dardack | no i have a family can't work for a pittance |
| 18:51.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis forgets to mention that he needs a canadian accountant, too. |
| 18:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | At least I think he does. |
| 18:51.55 | dardack | Lopeppeppy: i apologize |
| 18:52.06 | kneeki | Would I use Swing to setup my 5 minute timer? |
| 18:52.07 | dardack | oh no i'm us |
| 18:52.10 | AckisWork | dardack: I was thinking of getting some accounting student to take all my bank statements/visa/loan/etc and enter them into a program like Money for me... I have statements from 15 years ago |
| 18:52.11 | Dashkal | When I got the chance to tank, I'd annoy my RL by taking after the other tank and chain pulling. |
| 18:52.24 | Dashkal | If the healer's mana wasn't empty, I'd pull a trash pack. |
| 18:52.28 | dardack | AckisWork: anyone can do that, dont' really need an accountant |
| 18:52.43 | AckisWork | was hoping for advice and whatnot as well going through them |
| 18:52.49 | AckisWork | ie: you're a dumbass for keeping these |
| 18:53.06 | durcyn | AckisWork: gnucash, and you're a dumbass for keeping those |
| 18:53.06 | Lopeppeppy | 125 pages. |
| 18:53.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zorlack/3573221163/ |
| 18:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, in the US, the standard is to keep things 7 years, and then trash. |
| 18:53.19 | AckisWork | gnucash? |
| 18:53.19 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Depends how f'ed up your finances are. :P |
| 18:53.26 | dardack | Lopeppeppy: i'm sorry even when we were all new to naxx instructor on 10 was easy, so your right sometimes i let my own experience dictate my response |
| 18:53.40 | dardack | gnucash is nice |
| 18:53.47 | dardack | and yea 7 years |
| 18:53.50 | dardack | is standard |
| 18:53.55 | dardack | 15 is kinda like overkill |
| 18:54.05 | dardack | bankruptcy doesn't even stay on your record taht long |
| 18:54.40 | AckisWork | but... but... imma packrat |
| 18:54.58 | dardack | and i'm not sure i'm the best, i went from graduation to auditing (way diff then accounting) to a comptuer forensic investigator |
| 18:55.06 | dardack | so my accounting is a bit out of touch now |
| 18:55.07 | durcyn | 15 years, though? are you really going to have to prove to the IRS that you actually did buy that pack of bubblegum in the 7th grade? |
| 18:55.25 | Lunessa | He's a canuk, he can tell the IRS to suck it. |
| 18:55.27 | dardack | i'm nto even allowed to do anyone else's taxes but mine/parents/siblings |
| 18:55.29 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, suck it up. Box it by year. When you put the new year into place, shred the old year. Done. |
| 18:55.38 | durcyn | insert whatever tax agency canada has in place of IRS then, fie. |
| 18:55.55 | dardack | cause i work for a tax department agency |
| 18:56.58 | Lunessa | Off to a meeting. |
| 19:00.34 | Kraps | ok wtf http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1086459/WoWScrnShot_052809_145826.jpg |
| 19:01.01 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting artwork, but yeah? |
| 19:01.42 | Kraps | seems... edgy? |
| 19:02.19 | Lopeppeppy | Is it supposedly in-game art? |
| 19:02.33 | Kraps | it is |
| 19:02.40 | Kraps | at the tourny |
| 19:02.42 | Lopeppeppy | Could be a human priest meeting Elune. *shrug* |
| 19:02.52 | nicoli_s | screenshot or it didnt happen |
| 19:03.12 | Lopeppeppy | Can't be worse than the Hodir quest titles, can it? |
| 19:03.12 | nicoli_s | and in this case i mean a screenshot of someone taking the screenshot |
| 19:03.22 | Kraps | nicoli_s: funny |
| 19:03.31 | Kraps | i just took that one |
| 19:05.14 | dardack | 1978/12000 the frostbourne |
| 19:05.40 | Fisker- | 999/1000 Frostmourne |
| 19:05.49 | dardack | nice |
| 19:05.52 | dardack | how many days is that? |
| 19:06.11 | Fisker- | 0 |
| 19:06.33 | nevcairiel | frostmourne isnt even a faction =P |
| 19:06.44 | dardack | i meant frostborn |
| 19:06.45 | dardack | sorry |
| 19:06.49 | Kraps | dardack: how do you get rep with them? |
| 19:06.57 | Fisker- | yes it is nevcairiel |
| 19:06.57 | dardack | 1 daily a day |
| 19:06.59 | foxlit | there's a daily |
| 19:07.09 | Fisker- | you're just jealous because i'm exalted |
| 19:07.10 | durcyn | it's frostborn, and it takes 6 months. |
| 19:07.29 | Lopeppeppy | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/28/029216&from=rss |
| 19:07.42 | Fisker- | so it's quicker than doing your mom and having a baby |
| 19:07.43 | Fisker- | bawwww |
| 19:07.44 | dardack | yea i read that earlier |
| 19:07.47 | Kraps | what about the explorers league? |
| 19:07.53 | durcyn | http://www.armorylite.com/us/turalyon/durcyn/r |
| 19:08.00 | durcyn | Kraps: daily quest in howling fjord, also 6 months |
| 19:08.05 | durcyn | 250 a day, every day |
| 19:08.12 | Kraps | damn |
| 19:08.23 | durcyn | i'm so glad i'm done with both of those |
| 19:08.50 | Kraps | durcyn: going for the insane achi? |
| 19:08.58 | durcyn | Kraps: eventually |
| 19:09.34 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone remember what number of pages I started out with this morning? |
| 19:09.44 | Kraps | i dont rven recognize half the names on that list |
| 19:09.57 | alestane | "Hell, if you put the same time into talking to girls that you did playing WoW, you'd probably have sex, which is better than a +1 sword of compensatingforsomethingosity" |
| 19:10.12 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: First I saw, you were at 255. |
| 19:10.48 | durcyn | 20090528 08:33:46<+Lopeppeppy> 284 more pages to go. *sigh* |
| 19:11.17 | Fisker- | i hate alliance |
| 19:11.21 | durcyn | it's just logs, not stalking, i promise |
| 19:11.24 | Dashkal | And we hate you, Fisker-. |
| 19:11.41 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 19:11.49 | Dashkal | Anytime |
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| 19:12.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:12.50 | Lopeppeppy | I think I started somewhere above 300. |
| 19:13.05 | zenzelezz | can't see you saying any number higher than 284 though |
| 19:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | I did some yesterday afternoon. |
| 19:13.32 | Lopeppeppy | I've spent an entire workday deleting emails, and I'm not yet down to 100 pages. |
| 19:14.18 | nicoli_s | i want a job like that |
| 19:14.33 | Lopeppeppy | No, no you don't. *grrrr* |
| 19:14.43 | nicoli_s | come on, i'll switch with ya for a day |
| 19:14.50 | nicoli_s | the day that you delete emails all day |
| 19:15.02 | nicoli_s | and you can come here and write a CMS |
| 19:15.10 | Dashkal | would rather the CMS |
| 19:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | I work with CMS when I'm not drafting into cleaning the webmaster mailbox... |
| 19:15.26 | Dashkal | A full day of sorting through email sounds ... bad |
| 19:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | We use Paper|Thin |
| 19:15.38 | nicoli_s | i dont mean work with one, i mean write one from the ground up |
| 19:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | We don't have the programmers for that. We bought it, and now we just support it from the ground up. |
| 19:16.03 | Lopeppeppy | Bugs, quirks and all. |
| 19:16.23 | nicoli_s | yeah but thats my job now to deal with quirks and read emails |
| 19:16.28 | nicoli_s | you have to make a CMS |
| 19:16.50 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, they canceled my Coldfusion training in the fall due to budget cuts. |
| 19:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | Soon we will build websites with paperclips |
| 19:17.04 | nicoli_s | coldfusion? no youll be using .net sucka |
| 19:17.16 | Lopeppeppy | CF and java! |
| 19:17.27 | Lopeppeppy | javascript. Flash. CF. |
| 19:17.48 | nicoli_s | well you will need that javascript |
| 19:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | They canceled that class too. |
| 19:18.15 | nicoli_s | lol class |
| 19:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | That's what my boss says |
| 19:18.30 | nicoli_s | i wish my work had classes to teach me shit instead of just "figure it out yourself" |
| 19:18.49 | Lopeppeppy | And that's what I say. |
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| 19:21.46 | kneeki | Is it possible to make a time delay on a yes/no question box using Java? I'd like it to close the window after 5 seconds if no user input is taken |
| 19:22.10 | Fisker- | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 19:22.49 | Dashkal | kneeki: Now with JOptionPane.showMessage(). For that you're going to have to make the dialog yourself. |
| 19:23.01 | kneeki | I see |
| 19:23.05 | Dashkal | Have a look at javax.swing.Timer for the class to use to count to 5 |
| 19:23.49 | Dashkal | well, technically you can automate a showMessage() type dialog, but I'm not going into the unholy hackery required to make it work :p |
| 19:24.22 | kneeki | no problem =) |
| 19:25.11 | Dashkal | A yes/no question type dialog is pretty basic swing anyway. A JDialog, a JLabel, and two JButtons. A Timer to kill the dialog manually if required and you're done. |
| 19:25.30 | kneeki | Mhmm |
| 19:25.39 | kneeki | I'm using swing to create it now |
| 19:25.50 | kneeki | JDialog anyway |
| 19:25.52 | NeoTron | didn't coldfusion die years ago? |
| 19:25.56 | Dashkal | Follow one of the basic layout tutorials and you'll be set. |
| 19:26.18 | Kraps | eots is the best bg hands down |
| 19:26.23 | kneeki | Dashkal: Well, I have the timer working (for 5 minute delays on the question) but I'd like the dialog to close itself if I dont click a button within that time |
| 19:26.36 | kneeki | s/within that time/within 5 seconds |
| 19:26.46 | Dashkal | kneeki: Use a second Timer set to 5 seconds that invokes dialog.setVisible(false) |
| 19:27.13 | kneeki | I have a feeling that's going to be much harder than the first timer =p |
| 19:28.12 | Dashkal | Not really. Make your dialog class implement ActionListener (timers call actionlisteners when they invoke). Now you can just call setVisible(false) in actionPerformed(ActionEvent) |
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| 19:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | I am in LOVE with my IT guy. He has fix't my email so I can do it in Outlook and now it's done. 86 pages in 30 seconds. |
| 19:30.47 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: pity he couldn't do that one day ago ;) |
| 19:30.50 | kneeki | Dashkal: hmmm |
| 19:31.08 | Lopeppeppy | I sent him the ticket after yesterday's hate, zenzelezz, just takes time to get through the ticket queue. |
| 19:32.07 | NeoTron | cool, cat form preview - shows armor! http://morganad.hostcentric.com/morgan/wearybridge/wearybridge-armored-cat.gif |
| 19:32.33 | kneeki | Dashkal: I know how that should work in my mind, but I don't know how to impliment it. Got any links? |
| 19:32.51 | durcyn | NeoTron: hours old, man. |
| 19:32.57 | Dashkal | I'll pastey something quickly. No promises it'll compile, I'm gonna write it from memory |
| 19:33.04 | NeoTron | durcyn: not to me! |
| 19:33.13 | kneeki | Dashkal: Thanks! |
| 19:34.02 | kneeki | Dashkal: If it helps, here is what I have going so far: http://pastebin.com/d7bd29fc5 |
| 19:34.19 | kneeki | Right now it has a 10 second delay per question, to make it easier to test |
| 19:35.14 | Dashkal | I completely forget what to override/listen to to hook when a dialog becomes visible :S |
| 19:35.40 | kneeki | I'm much more clueless than you are |
| 19:35.42 | kneeki | lol |
| 19:35.54 | Dashkal | Meep! Only work with swing from within the event dispatch thread |
| 19:36.10 | Dashkal | Otherwise you risk bizarre concurrency problems |
| 19:36.21 | kneeki | Huh? |
| 19:36.43 | Dashkal | I'll link the relevant tutorial |
| 19:37.04 | kneeki | That would be great! |
| 19:37.21 | Dashkal | Read this: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/concurrency/index.html |
| 19:37.35 | Dashkal | The short form is that Swing is not, and will never be, threadsave |
| 19:37.38 | Dashkal | safe* |
| 19:39.04 | Dashkal | Ok, this will do it, but this is probably not the best way to hook on the dialog becoming visible. http://pastebin.ca/1438347 |
| 19:39.16 | Dashkal | A WindowListener is probably more appropriate |
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| 19:40.06 | kneeki | hmm |
| 19:40.16 | Dashkal | kneeki: If I might make a design suggestion, your best bet is probably to work entirely with the EDT. No Executors, no background threads. Use javax.swing.Timer for your timing needs. |
| 19:40.36 | Dashkal | Background threads mean synchronization, which is a topic you might want to avoid for your first project |
| 19:40.46 | kneeki | Ok |
| 19:40.52 | kneeki | Was I using background threads before? |
| 19:40.58 | Dashkal | yes |
| 19:41.00 | nicoli_s | woot! first editing with my CMS was successful |
| 19:41.02 | kneeki | oh |
| 19:41.08 | kneeki | nicoli_s: grats! |
| 19:41.26 | Dashkal | Executors.newSingleThreadScheduledExecutor() creates an executor that runs any code submitted to it in a background thread |
| 19:41.31 | nicoli_s | i'ts pretty damn sweet so far too, it's all data driven, and it's hooked into the auto complete thats used on wowdb |
| 19:41.32 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, nicoli_s. |
| 19:41.53 | Dashkal | You're using the executor correctly, it's swing you're potentially breaking :p |
| 19:41.54 | kneeki | Dashkal: Hmm, I see |
| 19:42.06 | kneeki | What would happen if I broke it? |
| 19:42.11 | Dashkal | Your design could certainly work with correct synchronization |
| 19:42.18 | kd3 | bizzare synchro issues |
| 19:42.28 | Dashkal | odd stuff. Windows acting funny, messages not showing up correctly, etc |
| 19:42.34 | kneeki | Ahh I see |
| 19:43.01 | Dashkal | Not playing by the rules will "often" work. It's that blue moon that'll cause it to puke all over you. Best to play by the rules :p |
| 19:43.12 | kneeki | lol yeah |
| 19:43.13 | kneeki | for sure |
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| 19:45.54 | kneeki | I have a question about your code |
| 19:46.10 | kneeki | MyDialog, I would change to 'Main' right? |
| 19:46.28 | kneeki | or the name of the Dialog window? 'An Inane Question' |
| 19:46.56 | Adys | http://steamcommunity.com/stats/portal/achievements/ |
| 19:46.58 | Adys | thats sad |
| 19:47.05 | kneeki | Oh wait |
| 19:47.16 | Dashkal | MyDialog was just the class name I used for an example. Call it something descriptive (in your case, probably QuestionDialog or similar) |
| 19:47.18 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.25 | nicoli_s | indeed, i cant beleiebe so many people dont even have the first one |
| 19:47.28 | kneeki | That's where I'd put my dialog code, yeah? |
| 19:47.47 | Adys | 45% of everyone who bought the orange box didn't finish portal |
| 19:47.49 | Dashkal | the components for the dialog. The example class IS a dialog. (implements JDialog). |
| 19:47.59 | Adys | 35% of those didn't go further than the intro |
| 19:48.00 | Dashkal | erm, extends JDialog |
| 19:48.01 | Dashkal | sorry |
| 19:48.09 | Adys | 23% of those didn't even get the portal gun |
| 19:48.24 | kd3 | geez... that is pretty fail |
| 19:49.18 | Dashkal | Terminal Velocity - That one was a pain |
| 19:49.49 | Dashkal | It's harder than expected to make an infinite fall stable enough for the minute or so it took to earn it |
| 19:49.53 | zenzelezz | Terminal Velocity was an interesting old game |
| 19:49.53 | kd3 | ya |
| 19:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | TV was awesome |
| 19:50.03 | Dashkal | I remember TV |
| 19:50.06 | Dashkal | That was fun |
| 19:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It was crazy fun, and I only had the demo |
| 19:50.25 | zenzelezz | think I did too |
| 19:50.26 | durcyn | i wonder if i still have a copy of TV, hrm |
| 19:50.26 | Hirsute | So... I've recently started doing Naxx25 regularly, and while my graphics card seems to handle every other aspect of the game, my framerate goes into a kamikaze dive every time we start a boss fight, and on some of the larger pulls. What video settings will give me the biggest "bang for my buck" if I reduce them during raids? |
| 19:50.37 | Adys | Dashkal: I got bugged on that one |
| 19:50.43 | Adys | i fell for the entire night while i was asleep |
| 19:50.45 | Adys | and didnt get it |
| 19:50.57 | Dashkal | I missed my getting it. I got the infinite loop and must have looked away when I earned it |
| 19:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: addon reduction, actually. The UI is single threaded, so every millisecond processing lua events will take that much from your FPS. Of course, knowing what your GPU is would help :) |
| 19:51.26 | Dashkal | Starscape is on steam? Hmm, might have to nab that. |
| 19:51.55 | nevcairiel | meh i still think people blame too much on the addon cpu usage |
| 19:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, but raids are probably the only time when it's actually going to matter |
| 19:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | If he handles _everything else_ fine, it's a slightly more valid question |
| 19:54.21 | Lopeppeppy | Most people are pointing to things like Recount as their FPS tanking mods when in raids. |
| 19:54.36 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I think people blame too little on it |
| 19:55.09 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: I've reduced my addons to pretty much just Baggins, BigWigs, Power Auras and Cooldown Count. It's (not at home at the moment to double check), but I'm fairly sure that it's an NVidia 9600 GT. |
| 19:55.09 | NeoTron | Hirsute: first thing I would do i to run completely without addons and see what happens |
| 19:55.27 | Dashkal | Meh. Just memorize your hotkeys, turn off the UI, and let the healers worry about your health :p |
| 19:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you're running at some crazy resolution, you should be able to crank things up pretty far before it becomes a problem then |
| 19:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | wonders why she hates big raids. |
| 19:55.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That and AA and AS |
| 19:56.08 | Hirsute | NeoTron: I could reduce addons a little more, but we're required to run a boss mod and a raid mod at minimum. |
| 19:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW gets huge benefits out of AA, but it is pretty GPU intensive |
| 19:56.16 | Hirsute | (I'm also running ORa2) |
| 19:56.21 | NeoTron | "raid mod"? |
| 19:56.26 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Good to know, I'll take a look at it. |
| 19:56.40 | Hirsute | NeoTron: Raid frames, such as Ora2, grid, etc. |
| 19:56.45 | NeoTron | and I didn't mean to run it forever, but simply to test it and see if it changes anything |
| 19:57.01 | NeoTron | err. oRA2 do not have raid frames |
| 19:57.17 | Hirsute | It sure manages main-tank frames fairly well for me. |
| 19:57.23 | Dashkal | Mine expects DBM (but doesn't care if you use it specifically -- I used BW). About it. I was pushing Omen on those who couldn't seem to manage their aggro. About it. Raid frames were a personal choice (some just pulled out the groups and used blizz's) |
| 19:57.27 | NeoTron | main tank frames is not raid frames |
| 19:58.44 | NeoTron | so Windows Live Search renamed Bing - anyone else reads that as Bing is not Google? :P |
| 19:58.58 | Hirsute | NeoTron: You're correct, I misspoke. |
| 20:00.50 | Hirsute | Ah, correction, GPU is an Nvidia 9800 GT |
| 20:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Even better then |
| 20:03.09 | Hirsute | I know. I even handle Dalaran pretty with settings turned up, but as soon as we start boss fights, my fps slow to a crawl, and it's caused problems more than once (not getting out of the void zones on KT quickly enough, because they dropped while I was between frames, for example). |
| 20:03.33 | Hirsute | *pretty well |
| 20:04.00 | durcyn | NeoTron: recursive acronyms are swell |
| 20:04.37 | durcyn | Hirsute: set your combatlog to an empty filter set, disable damage meters to test, anything that does a lot of event handling, especially COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED, is going to slow you down |
| 20:05.54 | Hirsute | durcyn: Already not running a damage meter, but I'll that with the combat log, too. Thanks! |
| 20:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Is your combat log visible by default? |
| 20:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, if you went in game now and took a screenshot, would it be in there? |
| 20:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Simply docking the combat log so it isn't visible, but instead on another tab and isn't being shown can help immensely |
| 20:07.00 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.19 | Dashkal | On the subject of HL related achievements: "Payback - Kill a Hunter with its own flechettes." I never could manage that one |
| 20:07.21 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Well, the tab with the combat log is, but I'm on Tab 1 by default. |
| 20:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Then the CL isn't your problem |
| 20:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The extremely rapid :AddText() to the frame can eat people |
| 20:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | If it isn't visible, it isn't a problem |
| 20:08.26 | Hirsute | Sounds good. Looks like I'll fiddle with AA then. I'm guessing turning shadows down from max will help as well. |
| 20:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 20:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd help immensely |
| 20:08.44 | Dashkal | max shadows are EVIL on gpu |
| 20:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Very |
| 20:08.50 | Hirsute | (Just realized they were turned all the way up) |
| 20:09.11 | durcyn | shadow detail eats even my gtx285 in the middle of nowhere |
| 20:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | Shadows is an evil system. |
| 20:09.19 | Hirsute | Does turning down the farclip, etc. help in a raid situation, or only when you're outdoors and actually seeing a lot of distance? |
| 20:10.29 | kneeki | On line 8 of http://pastebin.ca/1438347 , it says 'cannot find symbol, symbol: constructor Timer(int,MyDialog), location: class java.util.Timer' Any idea what that's about? |
| 20:11.14 | Dashkal | Where did you import Timer from? |
| 20:11.19 | Dashkal | you want javax.swing.Timer |
| 20:11.35 | Kraps | is it possible to trade in one type of bg mark for another bg mark? |
| 20:11.44 | Grum | no |
| 20:11.52 | Kraps | aww |
| 20:12.02 | kneeki | Dashkal: that doesn't seem to be working. |
| 20:12.27 | kneeki | 'import javax.swing.Timer' = error |
| 20:12.48 | Dashkal | get netbeans to generate the import for you (dunno the shortcut for it offhand, I use eclipse) |
| 20:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's supposed to be java.util.Timer |
| 20:13.08 | kneeki | I'm using NetBeans now, and it usually does fine |
| 20:13.14 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: No, I want him to use the swing one |
| 20:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Then whatever |
| 20:13.24 | Dashkal | It operates entirely within the EDT |
| 20:13.44 | kneeki | package javax.util does not exist |
| 20:14.34 | Dashkal | kneeki: Here's the javadoc for the Timer class: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/swing/Timer.html |
| 20:15.37 | foxlit | kneeki: java.util, surely |
| 20:15.44 | kneeki | Well, here is what I have implimented of your code so far: http://pastebin.com/d3e5ac1dd |
| 20:15.58 | kneeki | foxlit: I was using java.util already, for my other timer |
| 20:16.05 | Dashkal | java.util.Timer is a different beast and it uses background threads. |
| 20:16.17 | Dashkal | pity about the name conflict |
| 20:16.51 | foxlit | That'd be javax.swing |
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| 20:19.20 | laeg | is shadowdance a viable rogue pvp build? |
| 20:19.56 | laeg | i have to talent ambush to get to it and had heard ambush was a waste because of resilience |
| 20:23.38 | kneeki | haha |
| 20:23.41 | kneeki | I found the issue |
| 20:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | Kitty? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30967440/ |
| 20:24.01 | kneeki | I had both java.util.Timer and javax.swing.Timer listed |
| 20:24.16 | kneeki | java.util was overwriting javax.swing |
| 20:25.03 | Dashkal | *nods* using two classes with the same name at the same time is a pain. One or both need to be specified fully. Annoying |
| 20:25.07 | kneeki | Except, when I compile and run, nothing happens. I get no errors, but no window popup either |
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| 20:26.30 | kneeki | http://pastebin.ca/1438423 |
| 20:28.07 | Dashkal | minor note: the delay parameter is in mimiseconds. 10 means 1/100 of a second |
| 20:28.11 | Dashkal | miliseconds* |
| 20:28.15 | kneeki | oh! |
| 20:28.25 | kneeki | 10 is not what I should use then =p |
| 20:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | That's not 10 seconds at all. :) |
| 20:28.33 | kneeki | 5000 = 5 seconds? |
| 20:29.02 | Dashkal | and yeah, that's so not going to go anywhere :p What you did was create an inner class called MyDialog within your main class, then you did nothing with it. I'm surprised it compiles |
| 20:29.16 | Dashkal | yes, 5000 = 5 seconds |
| 20:29.21 | kneeki | Oh? It compiles like a champ! |
| 20:29.57 | kneeki | So how do I call it? I'd like it to pop up right when the user launches the app |
| 20:30.51 | Dashkal | First, pull MyDialog out of main() (just put it below the main method). Style and all. Then in your main method, you need a small chunk of code. sec |
| 20:30.55 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, happy peoples. |
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| 20:32.06 | Dashkal | http://pastebin.ca/1438431 |
| 20:32.09 | Dashkal | laters! |
| 20:32.22 | kneeki | See you |
| 20:34.49 | kneeki | Well, it pops up now =) |
| 20:35.21 | kneeki | But, it does not auto close after 5 seconds, but it does uhm, kind of auto close once you click one of the answers |
| 20:37.23 | Dashkal | the way I wrote my example, MyDialog is supposed to be the question dialog. I just realized you're nesting JDialogs :p |
| 20:37.59 | kneeki | oh hey |
| 20:38.10 | kneeki | to debug, I spammed a few System.out.println() |
| 20:38.27 | kneeki | It looks like I'm doing it backwards |
| 20:38.53 | kneeki | the few second timer does not start until you click an answer on the first question, then it hides the window, and then closes it over and over again |
| 20:38.56 | kneeki | weird |
| 20:39.05 | kneeki | Dashkal: Is that not what I should be doing? |
| 20:39.44 | Matsy | ... |
| 20:39.46 | Matsy | did you create that |
| 20:39.49 | Matsy | With no programming knowledge? |
| 20:39.59 | kneeki | Matsy: Is that bad? |
| 20:40.06 | Matsy | No. |
| 20:40.11 | Matsy | Not at all |
| 20:40.15 | Dashkal | Matsy: Don't be too hard on him, the scope of what he's doing is not unreasonable for a first project :p |
| 20:40.20 | kneeki | I know WoW Lua, CSS, XML, and HTML =) |
| 20:40.35 | Grum | so just lua |
| 20:40.38 | kneeki | I wish I could find a free 'Teach yourself Java in 21 days!' or something |
| 20:40.49 | Matsy | .... what do you mean |
| 20:40.55 | Matsy | Dashkal |
| 20:40.59 | Matsy | He's using typecasts |
| 20:41.01 | Dashkal | There is such a book, if that sort of thing works for you, but I found the tutorials on java's website were my best bet. |
| 20:41.06 | Matsy | Exceptions. |
| 20:41.18 | Matsy | Annotations. |
| 20:41.23 | Dashkal | Matsy: I know, I'm trying to understand what he actually did so I can explain what's wrong with it :p |
| 20:41.25 | Matsy | And that in one day |
| 20:41.26 | kneeki | Dashkal: I'm a much better hands on code person as wel |
| 20:41.44 | Dashkal | kneeki: Sadly, it's pretty bad, so it's taking me some time to comprehend :p |
| 20:41.52 | kneeki | Matsy: Are you making fun of me? |
| 20:41.57 | Matsy | No. |
| 20:42.01 | Matsy | I wish I was. |
| 20:42.11 | kneeki | Well, bask in my greatness |
| 20:42.14 | Matsy | http://pastebin.com/d3e5ac1dd |
| 20:42.15 | kneeki | lol, I kid |
| 20:42.16 | Matsy | You.. made that? |
| 20:42.25 | Dashkal | kneeki: You're making a pretty large number of newbie mistakes here. There's nothing inherently "bad", just uninformed. |
| 20:42.29 | kneeki | Matsy: Yeah, can't you tell? |
| 20:42.36 | Matsy | wELL |
| 20:42.47 | Matsy | No, I can't actually. |
| 20:42.55 | Matsy | Annotations isn't like, first-day material. |
| 20:43.09 | Matsy | *aren't |
| 20:43.21 | Dashkal | The annotations he's using were in my Timer example code (I correctly marked the overridden method) |
| 20:43.21 | Matsy | Neither are nested classes. |
| 20:43.29 | Matsy | Oh. |
| 20:43.53 | Dashkal | I'm in that habit mostly because I set up my IDE to do it for me. Methods look odd without it now |
| 20:44.11 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 20:44.19 | Matsy | Adds a kind of structure |
| 20:44.29 | Matsy | I dont think it has any functional advantages |
| 20:44.41 | Matsy | Unlike other annotations. |
| 20:45.02 | Dashkal | @Override is strictly a sanity check in practice. "I think I am overriding a method in a superclass here" |
| 20:46.33 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, and don't judge him on the use of overriding setVisible(). I can't remember for the life of me the correct hook for "dialog is visible now" |
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| 20:47.48 | kneeki | Yeah, that looks like the issue |
| 20:48.03 | kneeki | It's not 'detecting' the window being open to start the timer up |
| 20:48.25 | Dashkal | kneeki: Actually, no. The problem is that that timer is set on a different dialog than you think it is. You have two there |
| 20:48.36 | Dashkal | My hook will work, it's just not the preferred way |
| 20:48.39 | kneeki | Yeah, one is blank |
| 20:49.43 | Dashkal | Ok, some style concerns. You should have only one JDialog. It should have the timer to auto-hide in it. It should have the question and the yes/no buttons in it. You should have a second "main" class that handles the main timer (when to show the dialog). |
| 20:50.05 | kneeki | Dashkal: That's what i'm starting to discover |
| 20:50.08 | Dashkal | That single JDialog should be in its own .java file |
| 20:50.14 | kneeki | I'm trying to consolidate everything into one window |
| 20:51.01 | Dashkal | In Java, it's standard style for one class -> one file. Nested classes are a bit of an advanced concept. |
| 20:51.11 | Dashkal | If you're determined to use one class, make your main class the JDialog |
| 20:51.13 | kneeki | It is? |
| 20:51.23 | Dashkal | It's more than style, that's how java works. |
| 20:51.27 | kneeki | Blargh! That's how I do all my frames in WoW Lua -_- |
| 20:51.31 | kneeki | Hummm |
| 20:51.32 | Dashkal | :p |
| 20:52.49 | Dashkal | Consider this: You have two specific pieces to your program. One, you have the main controller that makes the dialog visible every so many minutes |
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| 20:52.57 | Dashkal | Two: you have the dialog itself that asks the qestion |
| 20:52.57 | kneeki | Yup |
| 20:53.01 | kneeki | And yup |
| 20:53.16 | Dashkal | These are conceptually two different things, and so deserve their own classes. |
| 20:53.27 | kneeki | Mhmm, I agree |
| 20:53.43 | Dashkal | This is why I suggest a Main class and a QuestionDialog class. |
| 20:53.58 | kneeki | I'm attempting to build my QuestionDialog class now |
| 20:54.10 | Dashkal | Strong suggestion: Forget timers for now, just make the dialog work |
| 20:54.16 | Dashkal | Then add the timer |
| 20:54.19 | kneeki | The dialog does work |
| 20:54.22 | Dashkal | kk good |
| 20:54.33 | kneeki | well, the 'ask then question, and write the result to a text file' part works |
| 20:54.37 | Dashkal | good |
| 20:54.54 | kneeki | which is why I'm working on timers now, but I think that since I created my dialog incorrectly, I should revist that first |
| 20:55.29 | Dashkal | *nods* Once you have your core "show me a dialog and write to a file" bit working in the new design, then add the timers (in the mean time, just comment out the timer related lines) |
| 20:55.44 | kneeki | Mhmm |
| 21:06.26 | Kraps | so in pvp more than 5% hit is a waste? |
| 21:06.41 | Dagmar | Unless you're taking on people higher level than you are |
| 21:06.48 | Dagmar | Dunno where you'd find those |
| 21:07.02 | Kraps | exactly :) |
| 21:07.36 | Kraps | but the % is higher for yellow attacks no? |
| 21:07.52 | kneeki | My QuestionDialog.java file is riddled with errors, but the code worked just fine within Main.java -_- |
| 21:07.59 | Dagmar | Not that I'm aware of |
| 21:08.23 | Dagmar | Magic, on the other hand, I thikn has the same base miss as PvE but I can't be sure |
| 21:08.36 | Dagmar | I just know for sure none of my hunter's stuff misses. |
| 21:08.50 | kneeki | 'Object[] options = new String[]{"Yes", "No", "I was AFK"};' does not seem to be working in QuestioNDialog.java |
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| 21:16.50 | KarlKFI | mmm guild just started offering dkp for guild bank donations |
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| 21:17.33 | Dashkal | kneeki: You need to define "errors" for me to provide any insight. First thought is you forgot your imports. |
| 21:17.39 | KarlKFI | bank already took all greens and boes to sell in return for free enchants and repair money. guess they're trying to provide raid consumables too now. |
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| 21:17.56 | kneeki | Yeah, sorry |
| 21:18.04 | kneeki | I'm just a bit confused is all |
| 21:18.26 | Dashkal | you're learning an entirely new language, and one that's much more strictly structured than Lua. Confusion is expected :) |
| 21:19.14 | kneeki | What I don't get is 'pane.setOptions(options);' is returning an error: 'package pane does not exist, <identifier> expected' |
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| 21:19.32 | kneeki | But, pane does exist. |
| 21:19.58 | Dashkal | that sounds like you have code outside of any class definition |
| 21:20.02 | kneeki | http://pastebin.com/d3b4d1a8a |
| 21:20.21 | Dashkal | You need to wrap that code in a method |
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| 21:20.40 | kneeki | oh |
| 21:20.43 | Dashkal | also, drop JOptionPane. You're building the dialog yourself now |
| 21:20.44 | kneeki | duh |
| 21:20.57 | kneeki | What do I use instead? |
| 21:21.01 | Dashkal | There are some good tutorials for very basic UIs (which yours is) |
| 21:21.42 | Dashkal | To set you in the right direction, you're going to want a JLabel, two JButtons, two JPanels, and a pair of BoxLayouts. Follow the tutorial, it'll make what I said make sense |
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| 21:22.00 | kneeki | ok |
| 21:23.05 | Dashkal | Start here: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ui/index.html |
| 21:23.08 | Primer | Having one hell of a time with some code to detect when raid members move within the raid |
| 21:23.23 | kneeki | Primer: such as? |
| 21:23.37 | Primer | I've got an event handler for RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 21:24.13 | Primer | but I can't seem to find a method that works consistently |
| 21:25.01 | durcyn | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE should fire on all movement, what exactly are you trying to capture? |
| 21:25.22 | Primer | this is so tedious to test. I think I'll finally break down and get a trial account so I can always have a party/raid to test with |
| 21:26.08 | Primer | durcyn: well, I'm storing the GUID of the player I'm "tracking", and passing it to the same function I'm using for setting said player. It's obvious that the logic is breaking down somewhere |
| 21:26.30 | Grum | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE also fires when people go offline or die |
| 21:26.42 | Primer | I've gone a little overboard with that function, trying to account for all permutations |
| 21:26.44 | durcyn | and you expect the GUID to change, or what |
| 21:27.05 | durcyn | if your actions are limited to grouped units, why not just use names? |
| 21:27.05 | Primer | no, I'm hoping the GUID hasn't changed |
| 21:27.11 | durcyn | the GUID can't change. |
| 21:27.18 | Primer | ok, that's good |
| 21:27.23 | Primer | what's one thing I was wondering |
| 21:27.23 | durcyn | well, unless they're mind controlled by yogg-saron ;) |
| 21:27.35 | Primer | so player name is more consistent? |
| 21:27.44 | durcyn | how much persistence do you need? |
| 21:27.57 | durcyn | this is for the friendlyarrow thing, no? |
| 21:28.09 | Primer | I just need to be able to get the new raid index for the same player as they move in the raid |
| 21:28.16 | Primer | that's all |
| 21:28.19 | Primer | yes |
| 21:28.36 | Primer | right now I have it working beautifully with the exception of this one last bug |
| 21:28.37 | durcyn | right, but what do you need the raid index for if you're acting on grouped units? names are valid tokens for party and raid units, last i checked |
| 21:29.13 | Primer | GetPlayerMapPostition(PlayerName) ? |
| 21:29.29 | durcyn | UnitFoo(), haven't tried map functions |
| 21:30.12 | Primer | hrmm, if that works, this will simplify it a lot |
| 21:30.55 | Dashkal | kneeki: I've been leaving something out. It's actually possible to extend JOptionPane itself to save you the trouble of making you your own UI. I've ignored that option simply because I've never done it (and so wouldn't be of much help). If that seems simpler, you might want to go that route. |
| 21:31.10 | Primer | damn, it works |
| 21:31.18 | Primer | durcyn: you're a life saver :) |
| 21:31.30 | durcyn | i accept tips |
| 21:31.48 | durcyn | also, good luck with random UTF8 name strings |
| 21:32.02 | cbreak | Tip: There is no cow level. |
| 21:32.23 | kneeki | Dashkal: Hmm |
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| 21:32.41 | kneeki | I think it would be easier when it comes to creating the window. But creating the support for timers is going to be a pest |
| 21:33.05 | Dashkal | kneeki: Exactly. I have absolutely no idea where you'd need to hook to add timers to a JOptionPane subclass. |
| 21:33.24 | kneeki | I've got them seperated into Main.java, and QuestionDialog.java now, but I'm still working on the creating the 'question' |
| 21:34.23 | Dashkal | *nods* on the plus side, the UI you need to ask that question is pretty basic as far as swing goes. |
| 21:34.36 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 21:34.43 | Dashkal | I could show you the kind of UI I build but you'd probably run screaming :p |
| 21:34.44 | kneeki | Just havn't done it before. So it's taking awhile |
| 21:34.59 | kneeki | If you have a screen shot handy, I'd love to see it =) |
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| 21:39.36 | Primer | durcyn: fuck, so NOW you bring that up |
| 21:39.46 | Primer | this is why I didn't want to rely on names |
| 21:39.52 | durcyn | Primer: I'm not saying it won't work, I'm saying I don't know. |
| 21:40.20 | Primer | I'm getting the name from UnitName() |
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| 21:40.51 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.08 | Primer | because THAT is what's changing |
| 21:41.16 | Primer | raid1 is now raid9 |
| 21:41.26 | Primer | because he was moved |
| 21:42.51 | Primer | I think I see the bug now |
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| 21:45.54 | durcyn | what kind of timer are you setting the arrow on that you can't iterate over GetNumRaidMembers when it changes? |
| 21:46.08 | durcyn | i mean, yeah, caching is cool and all, but sometimes it's premature optimization |
| 21:47.21 | nicoli_s | caching ftw |
| 21:47.57 | zenzelezz | some guild names I just don't understand |
| 21:48.03 | zenzelezz | "Wrath of the Envied" |
| 21:48.12 | zenzelezz | "God damnit, stop envying me! RAGE!!!" |
| 21:48.50 | nicoli_s | its no worse than budweiser's new slogan "its all about drinkability" seriously what idiot thought drinkability should be a selling point |
| 21:49.20 | nicoli_s | i can see the meeting now "well what do we have that the competition doesnt? Well our beer is drinkable. that settles it, the new buzzword is drinkability" |
| 21:49.39 | durcyn | i don't think you're meant to take it quite so literally ;) |
| 21:50.27 | zenzelezz | most likely not, but I'm into word-play |
| 21:50.58 | zenzelezz | I used to be in a guild called "The Logical Cube". I could never figure out what the cube was, or why it was logical |
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| 21:59.18 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I like guild names in latin that don't mean what the guild thinks they mean. |
| 22:00.41 | Lunessa | There's a guild on Kirin Tor (US) who makes a joke out of that "Piscus Infernus" - they did it to mock all the other pretentious latin named guilds (most of which have died out). |
| 22:01.50 | zenzelezz | what does that translate into? |
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| 22:09.46 | alestane | "Hell Fish"? |
| 22:13.09 | Lunessa | Burning Fish is more or less accurate translation, but Fish of Hell is also an acceptable one. |
| 22:13.21 | Lunessa | Sorry, had sheeple |
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| 22:18.22 | KarlKFI | does "Invoice Total is equal to the sum of the Distribution Totals" count as business logic, or can I implement that in the GUI without feeling too bad about it? |
| 22:19.09 | alestane | I think it basically means that the total you bill them for has to be the same as all the separate line items add up to. |
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| 22:20.12 | Dashkal | amazing how touch the subject of changing how a character looks is. There are druid in the forms thread that are asking for no change at all |
| 22:21.56 | KarlKFI | i know what it means, i'm jsut wondering where it logically belongs int he code |
| 22:22.39 | KarlKFI | technically the GUI has to know about it, since you can add distribution lines prior to submitting, and the total updates ont he fly |
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| 22:23.39 | KarlKFI | i guess it is common knowledge, not something that needs to be protected in a buisiness layer |
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| 22:32.47 | Lunessa | Karl I would hope. :) But you never know - some people think the number of their employees should be a carefully guarded "trade secret." |
| 22:34.29 | KarlKFI | well, common knowledge ot the internal users anyway |
| 22:34.45 | KarlKFI | not that they need to know since the software does it for them :P |
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| 22:35.19 | KarlKFI | Software: programming stupider people every day |
| 22:36.16 | KarlKFI | sounds like a good book title "Programming Ignorance" |
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| 22:50.15 | Thunder_Child | no need to program it in though, it's in by default |
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| 22:53.34 | KarlKFI | never made a GUI program? You still have to program the defaults :P |
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| 23:01.31 | Thunder_Child | Graphical User Ignorance? you mean where you show them how stupid they are? |
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| 23:17.11 | dardack | !seen airtonix |
| 23:22.43 | Dashkal | ~seen airtonix |
| 23:22.44 | purl | airtonix <n=airtonix@ppp121-45-35-130.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 14h 13m 47s ago, saying: 'dardack, are you still using ventriloctrl?'. |
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| 23:32.08 | dardack | yawn |
| 23:33.19 | Bruners | stupid nokia pcsuite screwing with mmoui minion >< |
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| 23:34.21 | dardack | mmoui minion doesn't work for me on linux yet, so at least you got it somewhat |
| 23:34.25 | Dewin | wtb: way of convincing my boss why it's important that the other developer on this project actually adhere to the existing style instead of inventing his own. |
| 23:35.20 | dardack | tell him it will cost more money |
| 23:35.44 | KarlKFI | or just use an auto-style formatter |
| 23:36.23 | Dewin | It's a her, and that hasn't worked. |
| 23:36.35 | Dewin | KarlKFI: Auto-style formatter can't fix functions that are named inconsistently. |
| 23:36.49 | dardack | like example of what he's doing to what was there? |
| 23:37.19 | Dewin | Existing functions have been named family_foo, family_bar, etc. Not getExamplesForGle, bulkLoadGleCatgegories. |
| 23:37.27 | KarlKFI | the importance of consistency is hard for some people to grasp |
| 23:37.46 | Dewin | yeah. And I'm rejecting code submitted to QA and my boss is telling me I shouldn't reject it >.> |
| 23:37.54 | dardack | well the boss is the boss |
| 23:38.08 | dardack | unfortunately at times |
| 23:38.24 | Dewin | I'm trying to explain why it *should* be rejected. |
| 23:39.02 | Bruners | maby you should convert to his style instead |
| 23:39.58 | Dewin | yuck, and... there's tens of thousands of lines of pre-existing code from before he even was a developer that woudl have to be converted. |
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