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| 00:18.40 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
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| 00:19.43 | dardack_ | yawn |
| 00:19.55 | Thunder_Child | Dolby, Shirik said it already strips out the 'r' and 'v' |
| 00:19.57 | dardack_ | dang left myself logged in at work |
| 00:19.59 | Thunder_Child | dunno about the rest |
| 00:20.10 | dardack_ | so minion is in beta? |
| 00:20.40 | Thunder_Child | si |
| 00:21.36 | Adys | SIGH |
| 00:21.44 | Adys | [chromium-discuss] Why no Chrome on Linux? |
| 00:21.48 | Adys | How come there has been no word of a version of Chome on the major Linux flavours, e.g Ubuntu? |
| 00:22.04 | Adys | "Why is the earth still flat" |
| 00:22.42 | Coren{de} | Because Linux wasn't IE infested in the first place? :> |
| 00:23.33 | Adys | you know there are people spending countless hours making IE work under wine |
| 00:23.39 | |pez| | What has IE got to do with Chrome for Linuz? XD |
| 00:23.45 | |pez| | Linux* |
| 00:24.05 | mikma | whats the bugtracked of minion again? |
| 00:24.06 | Adys | because people are conspiracy freaks |pez| |
| 00:24.36 | Adys | and they always think "oh google released chrome on windows first and they dont care about linux and mac because they just want IE's marketshare" |
| 00:24.54 | |pez| | Why is there no Adobe stuff on Linux? HmmmHmmm?! |
| 00:25.08 | Adys | why would you want that |
| 00:25.11 | Adys | the gimp is SO good |
| 00:25.32 | |pez| | I don't do gimp. I can't make it do what I want. |
| 00:25.41 | mikma | gimp-suit |
| 00:25.49 | |pez| | And, it doesn't have a gazillion different programs in it. |
| 00:25.54 | |pez| | I'm not just talking Photoshop. |
| 00:26.00 | Coren{de} | that wasn't my point, Adys. I meant, the already existing browsers are already more standards compliant than IE will be in 10 years, so what does Chrome really offer that's useful from a unpaid maintainers point of view? |
| 00:26.14 | Adys | thats bollocks |
| 00:26.19 | Adys | IE8 is very standard-compliant |
| 00:26.42 | Adys | and believe it or not its much easier for IE8 to steal IE7's marketshare than for chrome |
| 00:26.46 | Thunder_Child | mikma, http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/main_page.php |
| 00:27.00 | theorbtwo | Google never expected chrome to get marketshare, at all, and they weren't very intersted in it. |
| 00:27.08 | Adys | course |
| 00:27.12 | Gnarfoz | <Adys> the gimp is SO good <-- you don't seriously mean that, do you :p |
| 00:27.17 | theorbtwo | They wanted to demo technologies for other browser makers to steal. |
| 00:27.19 | Adys | omg yes i do |
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| 00:27.28 | Gnarfoz | well, a) "Adobe stuff" is not just Photoshop |
| 00:27.31 | |pez| | IE8 is actually quite good. Less struggle to make things look good in it, and the other browsers, without hacks XD |
| 00:27.37 | Gnarfoz | and b) Gimp is in so many ways inferior to PS it's not even funny ;P |
| 00:27.45 | mikma | gimp, tthe most awesome free gfx editor |
| 00:27.48 | |pez| | <3 Gnarfoz |
| 00:27.48 | Coren{de} | no doubt about that, because most Windows users of lesser technical level don't install another browser - the system already has one, and Vista has IE8, so it's only natural that it takes over IE7 |
| 00:27.52 | Gnarfoz | yes, mikma, that it is |
| 00:28.04 | Adys | theorbtwo: you dont advertise something on google.com when you're "not interested in it" |
| 00:28.07 | theorbtwo | If your purpose is to be a demo, then being cross-platform isn't worth the effort. |
| 00:28.18 | |pez| | Does Vista come with IE8? |
| 00:28.21 | Adys | there is an insane amount of effort into memory management, UI and so on going in chrome |
| 00:28.44 | |pez| | I love the simple UI of Chrome. <3 |
| 00:28.44 | Adys | matter of fact |
| 00:28.50 | Adys | there is little to NO effort going into webkit |
| 00:28.57 | Adys | from google since they released chrome |
| 00:28.58 | Thunder_Child | i'd use chrome if it had more of an addon community |
| 00:29.12 | Adys | and whichever "technology" you're talking about, its going through webkit |
| 00:29.34 | mikma | chrome, the most awesome porn-broeser available |
| 00:29.36 | Coren{de} | Vista itself probably IE7, but SP1 I think was already IE8 auto-updating... could remember that wrong though :D |
| 00:29.56 | Thunder_Child | Coren{de}, thats about right |
| 00:30.03 | Coren{de} | I try to forget as much about Vista as I can :> |
| 00:30.13 | |pez| | Win7. Mmmm <3 |
| 00:30.19 | Adys | im not really sure where you got the "we want to demo stuff" bollocks |
| 00:30.26 | Silversage | theorbtwo: Yeah. Or at a minimum to hurry the development of blazing fast browsers so that MS won't be able to develop web-based apps in time to catch ut to Google's. |
| 00:31.20 | Adys | you conspiracy freaks piss me off so much its intolerable. |
| 00:31.25 | Silversage | Thunder_Child: They're just starting to support addons. |
| 00:32.21 | Thunder_Child | Silversage, they had the support since the begning afaik, there just wasnt anyone making them |
| 00:32.25 | Adys | they released early because of the hit |
| 00:32.41 | Adys | it was the right time to release, ff had just released a major new version |
| 00:32.56 | Adys | Safari's was in beta, webkit was really good at the time |
| 00:33.00 | Adys | and IE8 was still under dev |
| 00:36.43 | Adys | anyway the thing with chrome right now; the linux build is really stable, its just missing features now |
| 00:37.25 | Adys | plugins, printing, richtext, richtab and gears |
| 00:40.15 | dardack_ | ok minion doesn't find my addons on linux |
| 00:41.02 | mikma | well, it doesnt even install on me |
| 00:41.13 | dardack_ | oh it installed, but i click options and nothign comes up |
| 00:45.04 | mikma | http://mikma.reaktio.net/minion1.png <- beat that |
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| 01:09.12 | Hjalte | Patch 3.1.3: http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/17367879766-3-1-3-client-patch-notes.html |
| 01:12.50 | NightHawkTheSane | nothing major, then |
| 01:14.12 | Coren{de} | Juggernaut: This talent now also increases the cooldown on Charge by 510 seconds. |
| 01:14.15 | Coren{de} | eh, wut?? |
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| 01:30.19 | Thunder_Child | what the play time needed not to have a char deleted? |
| 01:31.27 | Dagmar | SOmetime before the heat death of the universe |
| 01:31.55 | Dagmar | I've never heard of them deleting *any* toons since shortly after release |
| 01:32.01 | Dagmar | ...and I've got level 1's that are over a year old. |
| 01:32.54 | Coren{de} | haven't heard of automated char deletion since EQ :D |
| 01:33.50 | Thunder_Child | i heard 2 hours...but ok |
| 01:33.59 | Dagmar | Even with EQ if you ask nicely they'll pull EQ1 characters off backup tapes just for the novelty |
| 01:34.16 | Dagmar | MMO toons don't take up a whole lot of storage space |
| 01:34.18 | Thunder_Child | which means mine is still there i guess |
| 01:34.25 | Dagmar | Almost certainly |
| 01:34.43 | Thunder_Child | nothing like rezzing a 7 year old char |
| 01:35.06 | Coren{de} | lol 2 hours... nowadays I create a char and let it accumulate rest for 2 weeks before actually playing it... :) |
| 01:35.12 | Dagmar | You have a seven-year old WoW toon? |
| 01:35.19 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 01:37.25 | Thunder_Child | EQ |
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| 01:38.41 | Coren{de} | recently found the file with my EQ login data... tried to update my email address 8) |
| 01:43.32 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:43.56 | Dagmar | Frankly, I think I'd rather skin both my hands with a potato peeler before subjecting myself to the rulecrafting of those idiots. |
| 01:44.21 | Dagmar | We do not *forgive* nerfing into taxi status. |
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| 02:01.46 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how superstitious deal with lvl 13 |
| 02:02.05 | Dagmar | By grinding for another two days. |
| 02:02.28 | Thunder_Child | dont you mean 2 hours? |
| 02:02.57 | Dagmar | I wasn't including the time spent tossing salt over their shoulder and readjusting the padded helmet they have to wear |
| 02:03.04 | Dagmar | ...or are we no longer talking about EQ players? |
| 02:03.18 | Thunder_Child | i shifted to WoW |
| 02:03.39 | Dagmar | I think perhaps *those* people aren't playing WoW because it's filled with satanism and demon worship. |
| 02:03.55 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i forgot people in my origional syatment |
| 02:04.23 | Thunder_Child | statment* |
| 02:04.33 | Thunder_Child | statement* |
| 02:04.52 | Thunder_Child | typing + fighting is fail |
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| 02:39.13 | Shirik | rawr |
| 02:39.19 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 02:39.30 | Shirik | huggles Gryphon |
| 02:39.35 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik |
| 02:41.01 | Shirik | kd3: ping |
| 02:41.11 | VonhintenHOME` | What's the difference lootwise between FL +2 and FL +1? |
| 02:41.20 | VonhintenHOME` | in 10 man |
| 02:41.51 | Hjalte | None, I believe. |
| 02:42.19 | Hjalte | Maybe an extra 25-man badge? Not sure. But you only get hard-mode loot for +4. |
| 02:42.32 | VonhintenHOME` | you get 2 badges from +1 |
| 02:42.52 | VonhintenHOME` | The only thing I can think of is that you get a guaranteed Runed Orb with +2 |
| 02:43.20 | Hjalte | That might be true. I believe we had a runed orb with our +2 kill. |
| 02:43.25 | Hjalte | On 10-man as well. |
| 02:47.49 | Shirik | anyone here adept in Linux permission schemes? |
| 02:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 02:48.52 | Shirik | What makes temp files so "special"? |
| 02:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | nothing |
| 02:49.09 | Shirik | kd3 disagrees |
| 02:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Though you asking makes me wonder wtf you're trying to do now |
| 02:49.16 | Shirik | http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=60 |
| 02:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 02:49.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Use /tmp for temp files |
| 02:50.09 | Shirik | I... am... |
| 02:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | hm, weird |
| 02:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I can test on his same distro |
| 02:50.20 | kd3 | it's not so much basic linux permissions... I think it's choking on selinux |
| 02:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me save and reboot |
| 02:50.29 | Shirik | what is selinux? |
| 02:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah it looks like it, but it shouldn't |
| 02:50.35 | kd3 | though selinux isn't throwing any errors |
| 02:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | fine-grained ACLs for linux, more or less |
| 02:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | you can restrict a process to only write to a single file or listen on a single port, for example |
| 02:50.55 | Shirik | but what the hell makes temp files so special? |
| 02:51.06 | kd3 | nothing. all files have a selinux context |
| 02:51.18 | kd3 | the issue comes in when files have a context indicating they're not where they're supposed to be |
| 02:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.42 | ajmitch | don't most distros that use selinux run normal apps in the unconfined context? |
| 02:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | most distros just shut off selinux entirely |
| 02:52.08 | kd3 | yah, but that's the only reason I can think of why minion's failing at moving stuff out of /tmp into my home directory |
| 02:52.11 | ajmitch | when I say 'most', there's only really a couple of them |
| 02:52.19 | ajmitch | can't see the bug to comment on it |
| 02:53.08 | ajmitch | though /tmp is special - the permissions are different on the directory, not the files in it |
| 02:53.11 | kd3 | bug report: http://wowi.pastey.net/114950 |
| 02:53.33 | Dagmar | Correction: MOst distros just *don't ship* SElinux |
| 02:53.33 | kd3 | the error log's just full of IOExceptions but not why they're getting thrown |
| 02:53.52 | Shirik | well |
| 02:53.57 | Shirik | they're being thrown by me, really |
| 02:54.01 | Dagmar | ...because it's a major pain in the ass unless you know incredibly more about the lifestyle and habits of a program than anyone really wants to |
| 02:54.02 | Shirik | because move reported failure |
| 02:54.04 | Shirik | that's about all the info I have |
| 02:54.11 | Shirik | I say move, it says "yes" or "no" |
| 02:54.34 | ajmitch | Dagmar: I know, I've tried writing selinux policy in the past |
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| 02:54.57 | Dagmar | Ubuntu just jumped ship entirely and went with AppArmor, which for them and their purposes is a much more reasonable solution. |
| 02:55.02 | Shirik | why they decided that rename() and delete() and mkdir() should return a boolean instead of throw an exception is beyond me |
| 02:55.14 | Dagmar | Anyone wanting to argue about their relative fitness gets a stab in the eye. |
| 02:55.22 | ajmitch | Dagmar: I'll argue :) |
| 02:55.29 | ajmitch | just not here |
| 02:55.33 | Dagmar | Grrrr. feh |
| 02:55.44 | Dagmar | ajmitch: The secret is that they're for entirely different purposes |
| 02:55.54 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:55.54 | ajmitch | I *know* that |
| 02:56.01 | Dagmar | One is for when you don't trust the users. The other is for when you don't trust the applications. |
| 02:56.29 | Dagmar | ...but the whole issue is nothing but troll fodder. |
| 02:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that's.. weird |
| 02:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I get the same thing on fedora |
| 02:57.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't on debian |
| 02:57.07 | ScytheBlade1 | but no selinux either |
| 02:57.11 | kd3 | hm... |
| 02:57.14 | kd3 | turns off selinux for a tick |
| 02:57.34 | Dagmar | Why would they throw an exception? |
| 02:57.44 | Dagmar | Exit codes have been driving those functions for ages |
| 02:58.10 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, even weirder |
| 02:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It didn't save my settings |
| 02:58.27 | kd3 | sbo; same problem. the file gets created in /tmp then the app tries to move it |
| 02:58.50 | kd3 | I posted in bug 6 about the same issue until I realized the "underlying" cause |
| 02:59.28 | ScytheBlade1 | oy, strace may have been a bad idea |
| 02:59.39 | ScytheBlade1 | 76MB log and it hasn't even started |
| 03:00.05 | Dagmar | *snickers* |
| 03:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: hm. you know. It might be the JRE. |
| 03:02.56 | kd3 | tests with 1.5 |
| 03:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | nono |
| 03:03.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean OpenJDK instead of Sun |
| 03:03.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hm, nope, the offical JRE broke too |
| 03:05.30 | kd3 | grr... the shipped java5 doesn't have webstart |
| 03:05.31 | Iriel | Is this someone trying to use rename across filesystems? |
| 03:05.42 | Dagmar | Let's hope not |
| 03:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:05.58 | Arrowmaster | good point Iriel |
| 03:05.59 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 03:06.02 | ScytheBlade1 | it is |
| 03:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: what Iriel said - same? |
| 03:06.17 | Dagmar | There's a reason we don't ask /bin/mv too many questions about what it's doing. |
| 03:06.29 | kd3 | most likely |
| 03:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ^ |
| 03:06.35 | Shirik | Iriel: I simply ask for a more meaningful answer to why something failed |
| 03:06.35 | kd3 | dammit, why didn't I think of that? |
| 03:06.37 | Shirik | not "oh btw I can't delete" |
| 03:06.44 | Shirik | "oh btw I can't move" |
| 03:06.49 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 03:06.54 | Shirik | Hell, if you didn't check the return code you wouldn't even know |
| 03:07.05 | Dagmar | If it makes you feel better, none of us pointed it out because we thought you'd notice |
| 03:07.27 | Shirik | fortunately I always check my return codes simply due to a habit from my COM era |
| 03:07.32 | Shirik | which I am still in, sadly |
| 03:07.36 | Dagmar | No. |
| 03:07.37 | Shirik | Minion's installer does in fact have some COM code |
| 03:07.41 | Dagmar | That's not something you apologize for. |
| 03:08.14 | Dagmar | Anytime you do something that can go wrong you should always check to make sure it didn't, unless you like little messes becoming big ones. |
| 03:08.24 | Iriel | Sadly some of the earlier java classes/interfaces come from a time when they overly abstracted the underlying environment from the language |
| 03:08.47 | Shirik | I just think it would be more appropriate to throw an IOException upon failure to delete/rename |
| 03:08.53 | Shirik | even if it's just "Failed to move" |
| 03:08.57 | Shirik | "Failed to delete" |
| 03:09.22 | Shirik | that's what I end up doing anyway :P |
| 03:09.25 | Iriel | I think that boils down to Dagmar's comment |
| 03:10.01 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:10.07 | Shirik | who posted a chrome bug on my bug tracker |
| 03:10.19 | Shirik | Wobin |
| 03:10.45 | Shirik | who's not here |
| 03:10.50 | Iriel | Shirik: By the way, if you do implement your own move-across-fileysstems then please do it as copy-to-temp-name-in-destination-folder, then rename-in-destination-folder, and not just copy-over-final-name-in-destination |
| 03:11.08 | Shirik | yeah, except that's what I did |
| 03:11.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:11.16 | Shirik | I misread |
| 03:11.21 | Shirik | yeah that's what I'll have to do, I guess |
| 03:11.30 | Shirik | because the whole point of the temp file was to avoid losing something |
| 03:11.44 | kd3 | thankfully it's all still there in /tmp |
| 03:11.45 | Iriel | I think your only flaw is where you put the temp file |
| 03:11.51 | kd3 | along with like 8 copies of the config file |
| 03:11.59 | Shirik | I just did File.createTempFile() |
| 03:12.15 | Iriel | That's great for 'scratch files' |
| 03:12.16 | Dagmar | So you wanted to take a temp file and bless it into a permanent one? |
| 03:12.23 | Dagmar | Naughty. |
| 03:12.24 | Iriel | not so good for files you intent to move somewhere later |
| 03:12.43 | Shirik | Again, I don't really see what makes temp files so special |
| 03:13.03 | Dagmar | It's that a) they're supposed to be temporary and b) they're suppsoed to be temporary |
| 03:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that's where my config files are going too |
| 03:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.19 | Iriel | Well, in the unix world, /tmp is often in a different place |
| 03:13.20 | Shirik | well I'm working on that right now |
| 03:13.27 | Shirik | thanks though, I've been trying to figure out wtf is causing that issue |
| 03:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got five of them sitting there doing nothing :) |
| 03:13.29 | Iriel | Unlike the windows world of 'all on one drive' |
| 03:13.38 | Shirik | oh god |
| 03:13.40 | Shirik | my work computer |
| 03:13.46 | Shirik | I think it has more drives than folders >.> |
| 03:13.52 | Dagmar | Yeah, mainly so idjits can't make a temp file that's a jillion bytes long which fills up / and murders everyone else's jobs |
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| 03:14.07 | Iriel | I'll note, createTempFile can be useful if you use the 3 arg version that takes the directory |
| 03:14.30 | Shirik | yeah that's what I'll end up doing |
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| 03:14.46 | Iriel | Who remembers the fun days of SunOS and shared temp/swap? |
| 03:14.47 | Shirik | the reason I like createTempFile() is because it guarantees the file name won't be taken |
| 03:15.14 | Shirik | admittedly that's not hard to work around |
| 03:15.14 | Shirik | but |
| 03:15.14 | Shirik | ~laziness |
| 03:15.15 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 03:15.54 | Dagmar | Irial: I always just configured that out of them |
| 03:16.02 | Dagmar | It was how I broke my first sun box |
| 03:16.06 | Shirik | omg I made this brilliant OO design at work last week. I didn't realize how awesome it was until today, though, when I realized I forgot a type of component and needed to add it |
| 03:16.28 | Shirik | and all I needed to do was create a new class (auto-generated code) and add 2 lines to it |
| 03:16.34 | Shirik | and it was done |
| 03:17.26 | Shirik | that being said, code generators are really cool |
| 03:17.38 | Iriel | GOOD code generators are cool |
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| 03:17.54 | Shirik | Well, that's what I'm making ^_^ |
| 03:17.57 | Iriel | Poorly written ones are an abberation to sanity |
| 03:18.02 | nicoli_s | is having fun designing a CMS |
| 03:18.04 | Shirik | with a team of people |
| 03:18.17 | Shirik | It's so amazing how much they already do that's automated |
| 03:18.27 | Shirik | but our goal is that they can draw up the state machine, and the code will be made for it |
| 03:18.33 | kd3 | are you replacing their jobs with very efficient shell scripts? |
| 03:18.43 | Shirik | Granted, we have to make restrictions on how we make state machines, how we name variables, etc. |
| 03:18.52 | Iriel | kd3: I dont think they'd need to be THAT efficient 8-) |
| 03:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:19.13 | Shirik | kd3: With the amount of testing at this place, nobody's going anywhere |
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| 03:19.22 | Shirik | that's the REASON they do code generation, to minimize defects |
| 03:19.32 | Shirik | but there's still a ton of analysis that goes into just reviewing the state machine, for example |
| 03:19.34 | Iriel | I do like the provability of good code generators |
| 03:19.44 | Shirik | We had a race condition in a state machine we found today |
| 03:19.47 | Iriel | I used that technique a bunch at Abbott for some clinical data handling stuff |
| 03:19.54 | Shirik | and we didn't have a single line of code for it |
| 03:20.30 | Shirik | lol kd3 |
| 03:20.33 | Shirik | your bug reports are too detailed |
| 03:20.48 | Shirik | "Steps to reproduce" |
| 03:20.49 | Shirik | 1. `javaws minion.jnlp` |
| 03:20.50 | Shirik | 2. Wait. |
| 03:20.50 | Shirik | 3. Look at the empty "Install Location Field" |
| 03:20.58 | Dagmar | You've not seen anything yet: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6583 |
| 03:20.59 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:21.15 | Shirik | It was in fact supposed to go to $HOME/Minion |
| 03:21.17 | Dagmar | I think that bug reporter must spend a lot of time trapped in caves or something |
| 03:21.20 | Shirik | I also know why it's not |
| 03:21.42 | kd3 | it did take me a sec to find the log file... I kept looking for ~/.minion instead of ~/.Minion |
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| 03:22.33 | Wobin | Is cleansing totem raidwide? |
| 03:22.54 | Shirik | isn't it party only? |
| 03:23.06 | Iriel | Shirik: please donot create non dot files in my home directory without asking first 8-) |
| 03:23.31 | Shirik | I only create .Minion |
| 03:23.36 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/image-7083.html |
| 03:23.36 | Shirik | and I don't even create that, JDesktop does |
| 03:23.41 | Iriel | Ah, yo omitted the dot |
| 03:23.51 | Iriel | Shirik: It was in fact supposed to go to $HOME/Minion |
| 03:23.59 | Shirik | oh sorry |
| 03:24.05 | Shirik | that was for the default install location |
| 03:24.08 | Shirik | and yes it asks :) |
| 03:24.31 | Iriel | Excellent 8-) |
| 03:24.34 | Shirik | It even confirms with a "This doesn't exist yet. Are you sure?" |
| 03:24.48 | Shirik | It even says kd3's home directory doesn't exist! |
| 03:25.00 | Shirik | which, btw, was reported earlier and I still have no idea why it does that |
| 03:25.01 | kd3 | was in the middle of asking about that |
| 03:25.03 | Shirik | it's the only case it does that |
| 03:25.04 | kd3 | heh |
| 03:25.18 | Shirik | I'll even show you the code |
| 03:25.49 | Shirik | if (!file.isDirectory()) { |
| 03:25.49 | Shirik | int option = JOptionPane.showConfirmDialog(this, "The path '" + file.getAbsolutePath() |
| 03:25.58 | Shirik | that would be the beginnings of "the path does not exist" |
| 03:26.09 | Shirik | oh, line before that is final File file = new File(installLocation.getText()); |
| 03:26.21 | Shirik | now, installLocation.getText() is empty |
| 03:26.36 | Shirik | so one would assume that new File("").getAbsolutePath() returns the home directory |
| 03:26.40 | Shirik | because of the response |
| 03:26.52 | Shirik | but if that's the case, why should new File("").exists() be false |
| 03:27.09 | Dagmar | Because a null filename is invalid. |
| 03:27.15 | Dagmar | Can't exist. |
| 03:27.25 | Shirik | then I would expect that getAbsolutePath() gives an invalid name as well |
| 03:27.28 | Shirik | it's obviously figuring something out |
| 03:27.42 | Shirik | getAbsolutePath() will give an invalid name for any other invalid file |
| 03:28.25 | Dagmar | getAbsolutePath can't do much more than guess under Unix/Linux |
| 03:28.38 | Dagmar | You're not guaranteed a 1:1 relation between filenames and files |
| 03:28.38 | Iriel | Shirik: Surely you mean "current directory" not "home directory" (coincidence may mean they're the same) |
| 03:28.50 | Shirik | I don't actually know where it goes :) |
| 03:28.55 | Shirik | in that case it happened to return the home directory |
| 03:29.25 | Dagmar | *eyeroll* |
| 03:30.28 | Shirik | Dagmar: One would at least expect that the relation it does give you is in fact valid |
| 03:30.56 | Shirik | I see no reason for the assertion: file.exists() == file.getAbsoluteFile().exists() to fail |
| 03:31.19 | Shirik | assuming the working directory hasn't changed since the file object's creation, of course |
| 03:31.27 | Shirik | well hm, even then |
| 03:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: poke |
| 03:35.24 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: hmm? |
| 03:38.31 | Shirik | aggggg |
| 03:38.35 | Shirik | after working with vim all day |
| 03:38.38 | Shirik | Netbeans is messing with my head |
| 03:38.41 | Shirik | dw isn't working! |
| 03:38.55 | Shirik | I have to actually double click on the word |
| 03:38.57 | Shirik | damn |
| 03:39.13 | Coren{de} | who punished you with vim as work-editor? 8) |
| 03:39.29 | Shirik | Actually it's visual studiop |
| 03:39.36 | Shirik | But I have a vim plugin so it works like vim |
| 03:39.43 | Shirik | it is really nice |
| 03:39.51 | Shirik | I only have one gripe |
| 03:39.55 | Shirik | we also use Visual Assist |
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| 03:40.11 | Shirik | and Visual Assist likes to pop up menus, which makes it difficult to switch back to normal mode sometimes |
| 03:40.27 | Shirik | I have to hit esc twice instead of once, which I don't realize at the time of doing it |
| 03:40.54 | Dagmar | Shirik: The reason it fails, if I'm reading you correctly, is that neither is fully defined until you've supplied a name |
| 03:41.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: System.getProperty("user.home") |
| 03:41.34 | Coren{de} | I always thought that the visual feedback of command mode in vi* is insufficient :D |
| 03:41.50 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I just did System.getenv("HOME") |
| 03:41.56 | Shirik | user.home I don't believe is correct, actually |
| 03:42.04 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain user.home is the working directory |
| 03:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/System.html#getProperties() |
| 03:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | disagrees |
| 03:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | user.home User's home directory |
| 03:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:42.49 | Shirik | oh I was thinking java.home |
| 03:42.57 | Coren{de} | Hm, $HOME might not be set on Win9x (not that that's a valid OS for playing WoW nowadays...) |
| 03:43.06 | Shirik | That's why I only use it for Linux, Coren{de} |
| 03:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | java.home is Java's install dir |
| 03:43.21 | Shirik | Windows users get %PROGRAMFILES% |
| 03:43.21 | Thunder_Child | you know watching CC and Minion fight would be amusing if it wasnt making my addons jerk like marionettes |
| 03:43.23 | Shirik | yes ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:43.38 | Shirik | why should they jerk Thunder_Child? |
| 03:43.46 | Shirik | Minion should only try to get in sync once and then leave it alone |
| 03:44.26 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, because CC has issues if 'something else' alters the addon file |
| 03:44.36 | Shirik | so if you go CC -> Minion -> CC |
| 03:44.40 | Shirik | minion shouldn't try again |
| 03:44.43 | Thunder_Child | and minion doesnt check to see if the installed addon is newer |
| 03:44.49 | Kraps | whats an IC interview? |
| 03:44.59 | kd3 | in-character? |
| 03:45.03 | Shirik | it's where you go sit down with a chip |
| 03:45.08 | Shirik | and then ask it what all its pinouts are |
| 03:45.22 | Kraps | what kd3 said... |
| 03:46.37 | Kraps | well that sucks, i cant join a guild on an rp server unless i have a character? |
| 03:47.02 | Iriel | Presumably they're an RP guild |
| 03:47.07 | Iriel | they want to see how you play your role |
| 03:47.16 | Coren{de} | well, rp is not ONLY about cybering, Kraps... :p |
| 03:47.18 | Iriel | it means you answer their questions as your charcacter |
| 03:47.41 | Arrowmaster | RP is for pen and paper, not computer games |
| 03:47.47 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 03:47.55 | Kraps | Iriel: i know, i just dont have one, i just want to tag along |
| 03:47.59 | Thunder_Child | though i dont RP in my D&D session tbh |
| 03:48.26 | Coren{de} | I prefer RP in computer games, the game master is less biased towards his favorite monsters :D |
| 03:48.48 | Iriel | Kraps: Maybe explain you want to see how it's done, and they'll be more gentle to you? |
| 03:49.27 | Dashkal | I play on an RP server in a non-RP guild. There's plenty |
| 03:49.45 | Dagmar | Let's hopw they don't ask you a lot of questions about what you were doing with the gnome and the 40 gallon tub of wasabe. |
| 03:49.57 | Zootfizzle | Look |
| 03:50.01 | Zootfizzle | We use that much wasabi all the time |
| 03:50.06 | Zootfizzle | For perfectly legitimate reasons |
| 03:50.11 | Kraps | i just made this toon on a whim really |
| 03:50.12 | kd3 | I uh |
| 03:50.14 | Dagmar | *Exactly* |
| 03:50.19 | Dagmar | You gotta be on the ball to handle questions like that. |
| 03:50.19 | kd3 | 's stomach explodes at the thought |
| 03:50.39 | Coren{de} | legitimate reasons, eh? don't tell, pls :p |
| 03:50.48 | Zootfizzle | Wasabi contains a huge amount of potential spice energy |
| 03:50.58 | Zootfizzle | It's the only way we can extract what we need from the sands of Silithus |
| 03:51.04 | Zootfizzle | Don't you know anything about engineering? :P |
| 03:51.07 | kd3 | sandlol |
| 03:51.09 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 03:51.11 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:51.26 | Zootfizzle | </IC> :P |
| 03:51.34 | kd3 | though it was useful for /slowly/ grinding CC rep when I wasn't farming encrypted texts |
| 03:51.39 | Iriel | Why oh why did I wait this long before discovering you could track fish |
| 03:51.53 | Dagmar | Because they sparkle? |
| 03:52.04 | kd3 | I only got it out of the reward thingy from the fishing daily in shat |
| 03:52.18 | Dagmar | I didn't even know you could gte it that way |
| 03:52.27 | Dagmar | I thought it was only from those weird boxes you sometimes fish up |
| 03:52.35 | Iriel | I got it from one of the boxes |
| 03:52.45 | Coren{de} | I dunno, fish tracking is next to giant tracking in usefulness... you gotta be in the general area and see it usually the same time in the area as on the minimap, so... :D |
| 03:52.49 | Iriel | but I did go looking for it once I found out it existed |
| 03:52.58 | Kraps | also i need to switch servers, low pop sucks |
| 03:52.59 | Dagmar | Coren{de}: Yeah pretty much |
| 03:53.10 | Dagmar | If you're close enough to track them, you can generally see them. |
| 03:53.25 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, you are obviously an RP whore |
| 03:53.25 | Dagmar | It'll freak you out a bit in Dalaran tho |
| 03:53.25 | Iriel | depends how high you are, or how fast you're going |
| 03:53.38 | Zootfizzle | Thunder_Child: I think of it as a job skill. |
| 03:53.59 | Zootfizzle | So I guess you're literally correct too :) |
| 03:54.07 | Kraps | everyone knows everyone else, cant get lost in the crowd, and there are like 3 good guilds |
| 03:54.12 | Coren{de} | going faster usually lets the actual area win even more... I have seen plenty of herbs flying over but not on the map despite tracking |
| 03:54.18 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, oh really? when was the last time you were asked about a 40 gallon vat of wasabi at work? |
| 03:54.34 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I could imagine that being a fairly regular occurrence |
| 03:54.37 | Zootfizzle | About five minutes ago? |
| 03:54.42 | Dagmar | I think there's probably an HR policy specifically forbidding inquiries of that nature. |
| 03:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:54.52 | Coren{de} | sometimes 280% is just too fast (or my comp too slow to load up, not sure :D ) |
| 03:54.53 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, your still at work? |
| 03:54.57 | Thunder_Child | Iriel....eh? |
| 03:55.25 | Zootfizzle | Coren{de}: I hate that problem too :P |
| 03:55.34 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Zootfizzle being asked about mass quantities of wasabi at work |
| 03:56.09 | Iriel | Coren{de}: I do find that tracking across 'phase' boundaries is a total disaster, so in many zones I also find herbs by sight not by tracking dot |
| 03:56.14 | Zootfizzle | I think the only wasabi related work incident I had involved my nose and about 45 minutes of my eyes watering uncontrollably. |
| 03:56.16 | Iriel | Coren{de}: But the fish pools are harder to spot |
| 03:56.23 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, $5 says it's not wasabi.... |
| 03:59.43 | Zootfizzle | Help me friends, I require nerd judgement |
| 03:59.56 | Zootfizzle | Am I allowed to like later seasons of Enterprise? |
| 04:00.11 | Dagmar | Depends on how many green dancing girls are in them |
| 04:00.13 | Zootfizzle | Or will I be a Star Trek outcast? |
| 04:00.20 | Dagmar | ...because that's the only part of them I remember. |
| 04:00.26 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, you can like what you want |
| 04:00.42 | Thunder_Child | i like voyager the best, and most people think it's trash |
| 04:00.45 | Iriel | Having not seen them I am unfit to judge, but, from a general 'nerd rule' perspective, I think if your rationale for doing so is sufficiently well-formed, you'd be able to claim it as a valid right |
| 04:01.12 | Dagmar | i.e., if you can bore other nerds into silence with it, then it's valid. |
| 04:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: as long as the earlier ones are considered better, you won't be castrated |
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| 04:01.24 | Zootfizzle | This episode has Captain Riker running the episode as a holodeck simulation |
| 04:01.35 | Dagmar | Yeah I saw that. |
| 04:01.55 | Arrowmaster | captain riker? |
| 04:02.00 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 04:02.14 | Zootfizzle | He was supposed to get promoted after Nemesis |
| 04:02.36 | Arrowmaster | i thought enterprise was set before TNG |
| 04:02.45 | Dagmar | He was a little casual about pulling a dead NPC out of mothballs just so he could chat it up a bit more |
| 04:02.57 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It is |
| 04:02.59 | NightHawkTheSane | enterprise was set before ToS, in a manner of speaking |
| 04:03.29 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: He was um... running the Enterprise episode as a holodeck sim |
| 04:03.30 | Zootfizzle | It makes sense to have him run it as a captain and later in the TNG time frame since he looks too old to be Commander Riker anymore :) |
| 04:03.48 | Kaso | Zootfizzle, are you talking about the last episode of enterprise where its all a holodeck thing, because that isnt late on in TNG canon |
| 04:03.56 | Zootfizzle | I dunno! |
| 04:04.01 | Zootfizzle | Maybe this is the very last episode |
| 04:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle: psh, he looked too old to be commander about three seasons in to TNG |
| 04:04.04 | Zootfizzle | It's random and on SciFi |
| 04:04.04 | Kaso | it takes place during the TNG episode Pegasus |
| 04:04.11 | Zootfizzle | Ooh |
| 04:04.14 | Zootfizzle | That was a good episode |
| 04:04.26 | Zootfizzle | Horrible premise for a series finale |
| 04:04.32 | Zootfizzle | Maybe I should skip this one |
| 04:04.35 | Zootfizzle | It just started :P |
| 04:04.42 | Kaso | Someone on youtube did an edit where he edited the two episoded together, it was quite good |
| 04:05.12 | Zootfizzle | The episode I just got done watching had some humans take over an array on Mars and try to destroy the beginnings of the UFP |
| 04:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The first two seasons were really just good |
| 04:05.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The change in directors in the later seasons killed a lot of the humor they had |
| 04:05.55 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNWjDO5kLGQ (part 1 of edited together episodes) |
| 04:06.01 | Zootfizzle | Thank you Kaso! |
| 04:06.14 | Zootfizzle | Oh, wow |
| 04:06.19 | Zootfizzle | Good special effects |
| 04:06.26 | Zootfizzle | And an Enterprise class starship |
| 04:06.28 | Zootfizzle | Err |
| 04:06.42 | Zootfizzle | Galaxy, rather |
| 04:09.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvY3jVJJKEI |
| 04:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (TNG) |
| 04:09.42 | Zootfizzle | wonders if he'll get over Weyoun suddenly being an Andorian. |
| 04:10.06 | Primer | not to mention many other characters |
| 04:10.08 | Dagmar | So long as he's not sticking random body parts together and making monsters you should be happy. |
| 04:10.18 | Primer | that dude played at least 5 _recurring_ characters |
| 04:10.25 | NightHawkTheSane | dude, you watch enough sci fi series, you see crossovers all over the damn place |
| 04:10.26 | Zootfizzle | Weyoun was the most annoying. |
| 04:10.37 | Dagmar | Yeah, but Herbert West is a special case. |
| 04:11.12 | Zootfizzle | I don't mind when actors from Farscape show up on Stargate |
| 04:11.21 | Dagmar | ...especially Ms. Black. |
| 04:11.24 | Dagmar | Yum yum. |
| 04:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 04:11.48 | Zootfizzle | Just don't reuse actors across series and species in the same universe now that it's your baby, JJ, please |
| 04:12.15 | Shirik | :/ |
| 04:12.25 | Shirik | I saw "actors" and started thinking "use case diagram" |
| 04:12.26 | NightHawkTheSane | so... you don't want to see patrick stewart as a klingon? |
| 04:12.28 | Dagmar | I'd just prefer it if they'd do some more filtering on the voices. |
| 04:12.29 | Shirik | frowns |
| 04:13.04 | Dagmar | Doesn't really matter how much plastic and rubber they put on someone, once I hear their voice I know who they are, even if their previous television appearance was on a sausage commercial five years ago |
| 04:13.08 | Zootfizzle | Actually, I wouldn't mind Patrick Stewart as a Klingon. |
| 04:13.21 | Shirik | I still need to see the star trek movie |
| 04:13.30 | Shirik | Only movie theater around here only shows 2 movies at a time |
| 04:13.36 | Shirik | and I've already gone to see both of them :( |
| 04:13.37 | Zootfizzle | Because Patrick Stewart can't be the new Captain Picard. |
| 04:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, same. but so much of acting in those cases -is- the voice.. you'd be certain to lose something |
| 04:13.58 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Well they could at least pitch it up or down a notch |
| 04:14.12 | Dagmar | It's irksome because half the time I don't even know *why* I can tell |
| 04:14.35 | Zootfizzle | Dagmar: I know what you mean, thank god for IMDB |
| 04:14.51 | Dagmar | I ran into a guy at DragonCon once who I'd met two years before at a party... At DragonCon he was in drag. I had *no* idea why it was I knew exactly who it was. |
| 04:15.05 | Zootfizzle | Oh, okay |
| 04:15.08 | Zootfizzle | I don't know what you mean. |
| 04:15.13 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, the past few.. well months. i started watching voyager, ds9, and now tng. i'm hopping to imdb every other episode.. (where do i know that guy from!) |
| 04:15.13 | Zootfizzle | pats Dagmar. |
| 04:15.30 | Dagmar | Well, people in drag tend to get upset when you call them by their guy name |
| 04:15.36 | Dagmar | ...and I was on a lot of drugs. |
| 04:15.55 | Dagmar | It was like there was an invisible name badge over his head |
| 04:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you're probably just crazy. |
| 04:16.06 | Zootfizzle | NHTS: I hope you didn't watch them in that order |
| 04:16.12 | Dagmar | Pfft. That's beside the point. |
| 04:16.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle: actually, I did/am. |
| 04:16.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (i'm on TNG 4x25 right this moment) |
| 04:16.30 | Zootfizzle | How far into TNG are you? |
| 04:16.32 | Zootfizzle | Oh, nice |
| 04:16.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it's |
| 04:16.49 | NightHawkTheSane | "in theory", the one where data gets a girlfriend |
| 04:16.59 | Dagmar | s/gets/makes/; |
| 04:17.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm on 7x15 or so |
| 04:17.09 | NightHawkTheSane | no, gets. |
| 04:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It makes me sad =[ |
| 04:17.13 | Dagmar | ...or am I getting htem mixed up? |
| 04:17.14 | NightHawkTheSane | it's some chick |
| 04:17.17 | Zootfizzle | He doesn't get her |
| 04:17.20 | Shirik | Voyager > TNG |
| 04:17.21 | NightHawkTheSane | he -makes- a daughter, earlier on |
| 04:17.29 | Zootfizzle | She loses her boyfriend or he dumps her |
| 04:17.31 | Zootfizzle | I forget which |
| 04:17.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle: true, he doesn't :\ |
| 04:17.35 | Dagmar | Okay good. I'm starting to forget hthem then. |
| 04:17.49 | Zootfizzle | And she attaches herself to him like a part |
| 04:17.52 | Dagmar | I'd like to someday be able to watch reruns without being able to recite them like it's the bloody Rocky Horror Picture Show |
| 04:17.56 | Zootfizzle | And he runs with it 'cause he's Data and it's just sad |
| 04:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle: he runs with it, because it's TNG, aka "The Picard and Data Show" :P |
| 04:18.19 | Dagmar | ...something I can't really do with the Twilight Zone |
| 04:18.29 | Zootfizzle | There were plenty of Riker episodes |
| 04:18.35 | Coren{de} | why is that sad? he's giving her what she needs and has... well, not actually fun, but... some new experience |
| 04:18.35 | Zootfizzle | And Crusher episodes |
| 04:18.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: eh, i'd say tng == voyager. but both are totally inferior to DS9, which is really a poor copy of of b5 :P |
| 04:19.11 | NightHawkTheSane | There were some, but it seems like there were more picard and/or data ones, and those were generally better, at least I think so. |
| 04:19.20 | Kaso | I can refute Voy > TNG with one word, "Threshold" |
| 04:19.27 | Zootfizzle | sdalkfjolsakdgj |
| 04:19.30 | Zootfizzle | NO WARP 10 |
| 04:19.30 | Zootfizzle | NOO |
| 04:19.34 | Shirik | I really don't like DS9 |
| 04:19.43 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 04:19.43 | Shirik | it just didn't sit as well with me as voyager |
| 04:19.45 | Shirik | not sure why |
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| 04:19.56 | Shirik | maybe it was there was more drama in voyager |
| 04:20.03 | Coren{de} | I liked the mythology of DS9 more, but B5 had the more expanded mindset... |
| 04:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | voyager was so boring and monster-of-the-week, though. :\ |
| 04:20.10 | Dagmar | There had to be more drama. They seldom left the ship. |
| 04:20.41 | Shirik | it also might have been voyager was on earler |
| 04:20.43 | Shirik | earlier |
| 04:20.50 | Shirik | and so I wasn't falling asleep half way through it |
| 04:20.50 | Zootfizzle | I don't think In Theory was a good episode. |
| 04:21.20 | Zootfizzle | After his abortive relationship with Tasha Yar I think Data would have observed the situation more carefully before becoming involved :P |
| 04:21.37 | Zootfizzle | strikes it from Zoot-canon |
| 04:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 04:21.51 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, his relatioship with yar was really just getting drunk and having sex. |
| 04:22.01 | Dagmar | It's not like there was a downside to that |
| 04:22.11 | Dagmar | Besides which, she was wearing a red shirt. |
| 04:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, true. |
| 04:22.16 | Dagmar | He knew what he was getting into. |
| 04:22.24 | Zootfizzle | ...yellow shirt |
| 04:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually at the time, she wasn't exactly in what they would call a uniform |
| 04:23.06 | Zootfizzle | Character absorbing goo |
| 04:23.07 | Shirik | um |
| 04:23.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: indeed. |
| 04:23.18 | Shirik | choose your words more carefully ScytheBlade1 :P |
| 04:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I chose them very carefully ;) |
| 04:24.01 | Zootfizzle | She was way better as a Romulan anyway |
| 04:24.22 | Zootfizzle | Even her alternate universe character was better =/ |
| 04:24.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 04:27.08 | Shirik | lol wow |
| 04:27.34 | Shirik | connected to work computer to look at something real quick. Software says I have -1.2TB free |
| 04:27.35 | Arrowmaster | ok it wasnt that many years ago that i rewatched all of TNG but i guess my memory is slipping |
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| 04:29.18 | kd3 | grrs |
| 04:29.42 | Arrowmaster | and i still need to get the B5 movie box but its still like $50, i grabbed all the regular season boxes when they were on sale |
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| 04:34.49 | Gnarfoz | bah, can't stop listening to this a-capella metal band ;D |
| 04:37.04 | Shirik | a-capella metal? |
| 04:37.12 | Shirik | how is that even possible |
| 04:37.12 | Gnarfoz | as weird as that sounds, yes |
| 04:37.34 | Gnarfoz | (ok, they got 1 drummer, but the other 4 guys + 1 girl are singers :D) |
| 04:37.34 | Ackis | streaks the channel and does the airplane on the Zoot-canon |
| 04:38.18 | Gnarfoz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyHcIHssdHA < |
| 04:38.37 | Shirik | I can't watch :( |
| 04:38.40 | Gnarfoz | too bad |
| 04:38.41 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 04:38.42 | Shirik | it would take me a year to download |
| 04:38.50 | Gnarfoz | oh right, you're oh crap-o-internet |
| 04:41.00 | NightHawkTheSane | http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/5/22/12/boston-police-zombie-defense-26553-1243010545-4.jpg |
| 04:42.21 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 04:42.38 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: updated the SSs, thank you :) |
| 04:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 04:43.07 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: We all know they'd just call them terrorists and cordon off the block |
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| 04:59.07 | kd3 | pokes the server |
| 04:59.17 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 04:59.18 | purl | ~pong |
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| 05:16.10 | bluspacecow | o/ |
| 05:16.48 | Cairenn | hey bluspacecow :) |
| 05:17.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I was about to say "wow we have weird names" and then I realized how incredibly hypocritical that would have been. |
| 05:18.11 | msou| | Would you writwe a ticket to a GM if the leader changes the instance to masterloot at the last boss? |
| 05:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | msou|: no. what happened was not against the rules. |
| 05:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | msou|: nothing is stopping you, but how loot was distributed won't be altered by GMs, with the one exception being if the person who has the item requests it to be moved |
| 05:18.56 | msou| | oh ok, luckily I didn't need tha wrist cloth. the dude was pissed about it |
| 05:19.08 | msou| | I see |
| 05:19.22 | msou| | it was a childish act if you ask me |
| 05:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 05:19.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Without a doubt |
| 05:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But that is how the rules are laid out |
| 05:19.45 | msou| | I immediately added him to my ignore list |
| 05:19.46 | Cairenn | don't imagine anyone in here will disagree |
| 05:19.54 | msou| | hehe |
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| 05:20.15 | Cairenn | it's a real asshole move |
| 05:20.16 | msou| | you know, you will get better one eventually from raids or even vendors |
| 05:20.20 | Cairenn | but it's not against the rules |
| 05:20.22 | msou| | but ppl are impatient |
| 05:20.31 | msou| | unfortunately yeah |
| 05:21.22 | msou| | I usually ask before I need, i.e. offspec items if no one else needed it |
| 05:23.18 | msou| | I suggested the other guy to submit a ticket thought it might help... |
| 05:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | it won't, sadly |
| 05:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | If you could just ticket away your disagreements with the loot master, even when you were the only one in the raid who disagrees with what happened, things would be... bad |
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| 05:25.04 | msou| | Hmmm |
| 05:25.18 | msou| | For me or the lootmaster though? |
| 05:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone |
| 05:25.31 | msou| | o I see |
| 05:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Ticket queues would be insane :P |
| 05:25.51 | msou| | well, I now when I play with random I ask before I even start "is anything reserved" |
| 05:26.47 | msou| | there are items in UK that I wanted and the guy who invited me said "this/that are reserved" so I said sure find another dps then he said there are lots of dpses |
| 05:26.56 | msou| | my respond was "there are lots of groups too" |
| 05:27.34 | msou| | I don't complain if I get wiped out 10 times in an instane but others man if you do one only one |
| 05:27.42 | msou| | especially oculus I hate that instance |
| 05:27.47 | msou| | my group don't complain either |
| 05:28.11 | msou| | our tanker left to the army and will be back this friday hopefully we'll do more heroics or even raid if we get enough ppl |
| 05:28.23 | msou| | haven't done any yet not even OS |
| 05:29.35 | Arrowmaster | i have a twilight vanq title but havent done 10 man malygos |
| 05:30.36 | msou| | oh actually I have a question about dailies, you know about that chasing marcia achievement? it keeps giving me the same dailies over and over for a week now except one time for ghostfish |
| 05:30.48 | msou| | always in the sewers and that WG one |
| 05:30.57 | Arrowmaster | you cant do anything about it |
| 05:31.06 | Arrowmaster | everybody on the server is getting the same daily |
| 05:31.23 | msou| | yeah I know but isn't it like that everyday should get a new one? |
| 05:31.51 | Arrowmaster | those kinda dailies are randomly decided for the entire server when the new day starts or something |
| 05:31.59 | msou| | I see |
| 05:32.14 | Arrowmaster | they arent on anykinda pattern and theres no protection against having the same one twice in a row |
| 05:32.37 | msou| | I don't mind having the same, a lot easier to fish in dalaran than going to BT |
| 05:33.17 | msou| | I start with the dailies everyday 16 of them in circles mainly the ones I can use "tournament and ebon blade" and the ones that gives me reps |
| 05:33.32 | msou| | yesterday started with the kalu'ak ones to get that fishing pole |
| 05:35.36 | ZorbaTHut | it would be kind of nice if they at least added protection against the same quest twice in a row |
| 05:35.47 | msou| | true |
| 05:36.25 | durcyn | it randomizes 1 minute after the reset, fwiw |
| 05:36.41 | Iriel | Whee, finally finshed Fallout 3 - can't say I was overly taken by the ending but I guess it's at least an ending. |
| 05:37.14 | msou| | Iriel: my friend was very disappointed when he finished it |
| 05:37.29 | msou| | I enjoyed MGS4 ending =) |
| 05:37.51 | Iriel | I would have been disappointed if the 'continuation' DLC wasn't available |
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| 05:38.27 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: yeah, always funny if you are right there when the daily counter resets and you can be sure to get the same quest again, if it was one that you liked ;> |
| 05:39.54 | Arrowmaster | mgs4 was a great movie |
| 05:40.25 | Thunder_Child | i couldnt even finish Fallout 3 i thought it was so bad |
| 05:41.02 | msou| | Arrowmaster: excellent game too |
| 05:41.03 | Arrowmaster | i couldnt even start playing fallout 3, it sucks being an obsesive compulsive powergamer when it comes to rpgs |
| 05:41.44 | msou| | not my type of a game |
| 05:41.50 | msou| | played it for a very short time |
| 05:41.54 | Arrowmaster | i did manage to make it to rivit city at level 2 |
| 05:42.13 | Arrowmaster | that was fun |
| 05:42.43 | msou| | I am waiting for bioshock 2 |
| 05:42.52 | Arrowmaster | we all are |
| 05:43.00 | Iriel | To each their own I guess, I found it to be very satisfying as a whole (ending notwithstanding) |
| 05:43.05 | Arrowmaster | i need to play bioshock again, im still missing two achievements |
| 05:43.34 | msou| | hehe, I didn't collect all the items |
| 05:43.57 | msou| | you know, cause of my language skills |
| 05:44.10 | msou| | you remember the part where you have to listen to get the numbers to use the elivator? |
| 05:44.17 | Arrowmaster | i did everything but play it on hard mode the first time, then they did a free dlc that added an extra achievement |
| 05:44.28 | msou| | I was stuck there for two days. did delete all my savings and started over |
| 05:46.43 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 05:46.44 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:48.03 | msou| | bioshock 2 and tekken are the games I am after now for the 360 |
| 05:48.17 | msou| | nothing really for the ps3 excelt god of war 2 |
| 05:48.24 | msou| | 3 |
| 05:49.40 | Arrowmaster | i only have 4 ps3 games, mgs4, heavenly sword, resistance, and resistance2 |
| 05:50.04 | msou| | you didn't play uncharted? |
| 05:50.09 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:50.19 | msou| | get it, fun game |
| 05:50.33 | AnduinLothar | "Sukkapunched wins [Breastplate of the Wayward Vanquisher] for 1337 points!" |
| 05:50.39 | msou| | I have no games for the ps3 atm, collecting dust |
| 05:50.46 | Arrowmaster | not sure if i want to get ffxiii for ps3 or 360 |
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| 05:51.44 | msou| | Generally speaking, multiplayer on 360 is a lot better on ps3 |
| 05:51.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:52.00 | msou| | than the ps3* |
| 05:52.30 | msou| | I remember the day that RSV2 came out, bought it for both |
| 05:52.58 | msou| | for two days we weren't abe to play online 2 minutes and everyone gets disc |
| 05:53.21 | Arrowmaster | i prefer the menus and everything else software wise about the 360, but i acknowledge the ps3 has better hardware |
| 05:53.31 | msou| | resistance was fun, didn't try 2 a lot said they imitated halo 3 |
| 05:53.47 | msou| | yeah as a hardware ps3 is far better than the 360 |
| 05:54.00 | msou| | I have the first model |
| 05:54.04 | msou| | 60GB |
| 05:54.16 | msou| | cost me 700E just the console |
| 05:54.35 | Arrowmaster | i got one of the mgs4 bundles, 80GB with software ps2 emulation |
| 05:54.46 | Arrowmaster | ive heard the new ones dont have any ps2 emulation at all |
| 05:54.50 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:54.55 | Shirik | my internet is so laggy |
| 05:54.56 | msou| | that was nice yeah |
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| 05:55.02 | Shirik | I can't even hit double tab in bash for suggestions |
| 05:55.09 | msou| | no all new ones doesn't have it |
| 05:55.09 | Shirik | it just beeps twice |
| 05:55.38 | Arrowmaster | youve got the good hardware ps2 emulation on the 60GB i think |
| 05:55.39 | msou| | to be truthful I wouldn't suggest anyone to buy the ps3 for ps3games and ps2 |
| 05:55.51 | msou| | buy the 80GB and ps2 would be a lot cheaper than the model I have |
| 05:56.25 | msou| | I think mine does have that software, only in US they had that piece of hardware to run ps2 games |
| 05:57.45 | kd3 | hm... |
| 05:57.55 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah thats right i dont think any of the EU versions had the hardware |
| 05:59.11 | kd3 | wiping the config and restarting the minion still breaks on the first run. it's fine once everything's been detected... on the second run |
| 06:00.34 | msou| | hehe, I'm thinking of starting a rogue right so reading on wowwiki and found this funny line |
| 06:00.46 | msou| | Sap will now work on more targets, humanoids, beasts, dragonkins, demons. "Anything with a skull and a brain inside of it". |
| 06:01.13 | Gnarfoz | ...demons? ^^ |
| 06:01.24 | Arrowmaster | just wait until they let you sap slimes, you can already pickpocket them |
| 06:01.45 | Gnarfoz | I pickpocket players! |
| 06:01.58 | msou| | I remember when I tried the demo, my first char was nightelf rogue |
| 06:02.15 | msou| | but now since I have a dk, will create another undead rogue |
| 06:02.35 | msou| | is there much difference between orc rogue/troll or undead? |
| 06:02.44 | haste | I remember I tried closed US |
| 06:02.50 | haste | rolled a night-elf rogue |
| 06:02.53 | haste | played to L5 |
| 06:02.54 | Gnarfoz | racials, obviously, nothing else |
| 06:03.00 | haste | then logged out and delete WoW |
| 06:03.14 | msou| | hmm, I checked the stats some has better than the otherone and viceversa |
| 06:03.42 | Gnarfoz | which stats? |
| 06:03.49 | Gnarfoz | naked baseline stats? |
| 06:04.06 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you're going to notice those :P |
| 06:04.26 | Arrowmaster | undead have weaker baseline melee stats |
| 06:04.34 | Arrowmaster | but its like 2 points |
| 06:04.51 | Arrowmaster | but orc racials are clearly the best in the game |
| 06:05.00 | Gnarfoz | falls under "who gives a shit", racials could matter, though |
| 06:05.04 | Gnarfoz | http://www.oddee.com/item_96682.aspx < wtf |
| 06:06.33 | msou| | think will start orc, I don't want to have another undead good to have one from each racial to follow the story |
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| 06:17.16 | bleetah | kd3: for the record, blizz are still sending our names to us in cleartext |
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| 06:19.28 | Wobin | http://www.myspace.com/toehider |
| 06:19.34 | Wobin | hehe listen to some of the cartoon theme covers |
| 06:21.45 | Wobin | the Astroboy one is great |
| 06:25.34 | bleetah | Wobin: did you see pete costello put the boot in to Sol in the SMH? |
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| 06:26.02 | bleetah | Wobin: kinda reads like pete saying 'yes he's a wanker, what's more he was JWH's wanker.. btw piss off wanker and don't come back' |
| 06:28.35 | Wobin | but he's right in the 'zomg racist' comment |
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| 06:33.22 | bleetah | Wobin: can you explain that one to me, 'coz I don't get it |
| 06:33.44 | Wobin | yeah, Rudd said "adios" |
| 06:33.52 | Wobin | and apparently that's a horribly racist comment |
| 06:34.11 | Wobin | and Sol is crying foul? |
| 06:34.32 | bleetah | only way I thought it was racist was that Sol's parents were mexican immigrants, but he never learned mexican so it's kinda pointing out some failure to embrace heritigate or some stuff like that |
| 06:34.41 | bleetah | mexican/spanish |
| 06:34.51 | bleetah | presumably a diff dialect to EU spanish |
| 06:35.28 | Wobin | but even then... racist? |
| 06:36.48 | zenzio | everything is racist if it suits your purposes |
| 06:36.53 | zenzio | rule of politics |
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| 06:38.03 | Kraps | do pve realms in general have better progression than pvp realms or is that a myth? |
| 06:38.24 | bleetah | i think it's a myth |
| 06:38.36 | bleetah | but that's just gut feeling, nothing scientific |
| 06:38.47 | bleetah | wouldn't take much to do a scientific study of realm type/progression |
| 06:40.36 | bleetah | Wobin: and in other news, ABC just reporting that North Korea have said they're 'tearing up the truce' |
| 06:40.52 | Wobin | "We're big boys now"? |
| 06:42.54 | Kraps | bleetah: seriously, if we ask them even more nicely we'll be seen as pansies... OWAIT WE ARE |
| 06:43.56 | Thunder_Child | you are |
| 06:44.18 | bleetah | can't even run your own black prisons properly :P |
| 06:44.29 | bleetah | and by black, I meant.. secret service prisons dark |
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| 06:46.54 | Kraps | screw this president and his sunshine and rainbows foreign policies |
| 06:49.11 | bleetah | MEIN FUHRER! I CAN WALK! |
| 06:52.26 | Kraps | eh? |
| 06:53.16 | Nechckn_AFK | Unlike other locales, the government and infrastructure of S. Korea could very easily expand.. so KJI II best watch his step. |
| 06:54.19 | bleetah | Nechckn_AFK: not sure that SK expansion would please the CHinese that much |
| 06:54.40 | Nechckn_AFK | they don't like him any more than the rest of the world |
| 06:54.56 | bleetah | because there's the implicit self determination issue underlying etc., and that's something many govts don't like facing eitther western or eastern democracies and dictatorships, etc. |
| 06:55.07 | Nechckn_AFK | They're pretty much hooked on $$ now, not so much the ideals of the past |
| 06:55.20 | Kraps | so how would you find a good realm? |
| 06:55.22 | bleetah | one thing trumps $, that's unification though |
| 06:55.34 | Kraps | asking in trade helps not |
| 06:55.42 | bleetah | Nechckn_AFK: they'd make buckets from tibet if $ was really the aim ;) |
| 06:55.50 | Nechckn_AFK | warcraftrealms.com , Kraps |
| 06:56.16 | Nechckn_AFK | bleetah but they don't control NK, as they do with Tibet |
| 06:56.54 | Nechckn_AFK | they have more sway than likely anyone else, but that dude is whacked, and even that influence is not saying much. |
| 06:57.06 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, historically it's been the opposite, since a lot of people rolled on PvP servers - back when you could transfer pvp->pve, but not the other way around |
| 06:57.09 | ZorbaTHut | that may be changing now |
| 06:57.19 | Wobin | oh man, Frost Presence armour bonus down 20% =( |
| 06:57.24 | bleetah | Nechckn_AFK: the big question, I guess, is whether China would allow NK to fall to SK/USA |
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| 06:58.31 | bleetah | on the other hand, after 50 years... about time that shit got sorted out once and for all |
| 06:58.36 | bleetah | well, for at least a few more decades hehe |
| 06:58.45 | Nechckn_AFK | true |
| 06:58.53 | Kraps | Nechckn_AFK: where would i see progression by server/guild? |
| 06:59.15 | bleetah | wowjutsu.com |
| 07:00.03 | Nechckn_AFK | Well, that will show you the populations, which tends to be a bigger indicator, at least in my experience. |
| 07:00.18 | Kraps | top 17 guilds are EU... lame |
| 07:00.24 | Nechckn_AFK | I play on 8 different ones right now, and that has proved to be the biggest indicator |
| 07:00.37 | bleetah | I think guildprogress.com tracks out of armory |
| 07:00.55 | bleetah | Kraps: yeah, well if you want to be good at an MMO you need to have some kind of heavy socialist background |
| 07:01.02 | Nechckn_AFK | Yeah, for specifics like PVE, guildprogress is decent |
| 07:01.10 | bleetah | (so it'd seem from EU's success compared to US ;) |
| 07:01.52 | Kraps | loot council heh |
| 07:02.19 | bleetah | I'm convinced there's several sociology PhD's in EU's WoW success over US |
| 07:03.31 | Nechckn_AFK | bleetah no matter what, anything will be better for the actual NK people than the current state of things |
| 07:03.41 | Nechckn_AFK | Hell, I think they'd be better off under China |
| 07:03.58 | Nechckn_AFK | at least *most* of them have food |
| 07:05.02 | Kraps | night |
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| 07:12.04 | Nechckn_AFK | bleetah What will be really interesting is to see the UN's involvement, given that there are existing resolutions and such. |
| 07:12.49 | Nechckn_AFK | That goes well beyond what has been recently done to "disuade" them... if they do anything really evil, that will be a bigger deal. |
| 07:13.01 | bleetah | Nechckn_AFK: UN security council is fail |
| 07:13.12 | bleetah | it's the old boys club left over from a war 60 years ago |
| 07:13.40 | Nechckn_AFK | It will be a real show of whether it's still relavant to current events |
| 07:14.40 | Nechckn_AFK | Sure it is.. but the purpose is valid. Something more nimble than the whole body to react. Given they have rarely done so, lately. |
| 07:15.17 | Nechckn_AFK | I just really hope that no one needs to die to prove it one way or the other. |
| 07:15.29 | bleetah | Nechckn_AFK: Thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8nlb3TfBuo |
| 07:17.18 | bleetah | gives the bomb to Alabama |
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| 07:23.25 | tekkub | Cairenn: |
| 07:23.31 | Cairenn | tekkub: |
| 07:23.36 | tekkub | http://abstrusegoose.com/154 |
| 07:23.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:25.34 | haste | the cats here bring presents on a daily basis :p |
| 07:27.20 | tekkub | my cats puked yesterday, quite promptly after I vacuumed the whole apt |
| 07:27.55 | Thunder_Child | Murphy |
| 07:27.55 | Arrowmaster | they were trying to tell you that your a fruit for vacuuming the whole apt |
| 07:28.08 | Fisker- | rages |
| 07:28.11 | Thunder_Child | thats not *why*.... |
| 07:28.22 | tekkub | I gotta get up the black hair tufts sometime, otherwise the carpet looks like a leopard |
| 07:28.24 | Wobin | your a fruit what? |
| 07:28.36 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: done afking in tf2? |
| 07:28.44 | Fisker- | afking in TF2? |
| 07:28.47 | Fisker- | what gave you that idea? |
| 07:28.57 | Arrowmaster | you were afk in tf2 |
| 07:29.05 | Fisker- | nahuh |
| 07:29.34 | Arrowmaster | then you should have stoped spectatoring so i could stab you in the back 10 times for an achievement |
| 07:29.36 | msou| | that modern warfare 2 trailer looks sweet |
| 07:30.06 | Fisker- | lies Arrowmaster |
| 07:31.06 | Thunder_Child | i want to stab Fisker- in the back |
| 07:31.18 | Fisker- | the cloak and dagger is nice btw |
| 07:31.29 | Thunder_Child | though i cant stand spy |
| 07:31.38 | msou| | want to complete my tier 7 set :/ |
| 07:31.47 | msou| | heroes of scourgebone |
| 07:31.54 | Arrowmaster | so whats the time interval on getting items in tf2 now? |
| 07:32.13 | Fisker- | it's random |
| 07:32.36 | Fisker- | But i guess averagely i get one every ~2 hours |
| 07:37.33 | Codayus_ | Sounds about right. |
| 07:37.44 | Codayus_ | Hmm, maybe more like 3h. |
| 07:39.44 | msou| | oh greart |
| 07:39.51 | msou| | today is the champions league final |
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| 07:52.54 | Arrowmaster | my computer sucks so much i cant even run hl2 games stable |
| 07:53.26 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 07:53.48 | Arrowmaster | oh and it also seems my antivirus decided to kick into a defintion update so it was sucking 100% cpu for a while |
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| 07:56.02 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 08:03.28 | haste | Arrowmaster: HL2 has a shitty engine, so no wonder :D |
| 08:03.52 | Fisker- | no u |
| 08:04.56 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker-. |
| 08:06.00 | Fisker- | no u |
| 08:06.49 | Zyndrome | Arrowmaster , not only are the items given at random times, it can also be some piss item you already got |
| 08:07.07 | Zyndrome | I sure do like my 3 bats and 2 miniguns |
| 08:07.16 | Zyndrome | oh and 2 FaN |
| 08:07.48 | Fisker- | i got 6 sandmans |
| 08:11.18 | Arrowmaster | i got all the previous items and considering how stable my computer runs tf2 i guess im not likely to get the new ones anytime soon |
| 08:13.48 | msou| | my friend bought an iMac last week.. she says I got the motivation on playing wow again! epic graphics |
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| 09:23.01 | jnwhiteh | anyone know what the smiley face on ouf_freebgrid is? |
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| 09:23.43 | jnwhiteh | or hell, it may be from grid and he just copied it. |
| 09:24.25 | Zyndrome | it's from the font PIZZADUDEBULLETS.ttf in the layout , but not sure which letter it is ;o |
| 09:25.06 | jnwhiteh | but what is it meant to signify :P |
| 09:25.14 | jnwhiteh | like why is that character happy =) |
| 09:27.48 | bleetah | (sight unseen) pet happiness? |
| 09:28.16 | jnwhiteh | looks like lifebloom |
| 09:28.28 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 09:28.31 | jnwhiteh | small smiley for 1 stack |
| 09:28.37 | jnwhiteh | large for 2 |
| 09:28.40 | jnwhiteh | filled in large for 3 |
| 09:28.40 | jnwhiteh | odd |
| 09:28.41 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 09:28.45 | bleetah | original |
| 09:28.52 | bleetah | well.. different, at least |
| 09:28.53 | jnwhiteh | lifebloom for druids, pOm for priests |
| 09:29.26 | jnwhiteh | topleft is tree |
| 09:29.30 | jnwhiteh | topright is gotw |
| 09:29.36 | jnwhiteh | bottom left is rejuv/regrowth/wild groth |
| 09:29.56 | jnwhiteh | its really nice, actually |
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| 09:31.24 | bleetah | mutters something about left/right keys under breath and not having checked 'recently' to see if clique's doing it yet ;) |
| 09:31.32 | bleetah | jnwhiteh: mmm which addon's this? :P |
| 09:31.42 | jnwhiteh | oUF_FreeBGrid |
| 09:31.47 | jnwhiteh | bleetah: no its not |
| 09:31.54 | jnwhiteh | and Clique1 will not likely support it |
| 09:31.56 | jnwhiteh | Clique2 will |
| 09:32.18 | zenzio | left/right keys? |
| 09:32.21 | bleetah | ah, there's (gunna be) a 2? lemme know when you want crash test dummies :) |
| 09:32.26 | jnwhiteh | yes there will be |
| 09:32.31 | jnwhiteh | because i don't want to break any compat with the original |
| 09:32.33 | jnwhiteh | too many people rely on it |
| 09:32.42 | jnwhiteh | so clique2 will be a bit of a redesign to get some things "right" |
| 09:32.44 | bleetah | zenzio: left right alt key, modifier stuffs |
| 09:32.51 | zenzio | ah |
| 09:32.52 | bleetah | shifts |
| 09:32.56 | jnwhiteh | doubles the num of combinations |
| 09:32.59 | jnwhiteh | almost :P |
| 09:33.58 | bleetah | my new guild were just telling me to ditch clique+grid/praid for Healbot... i was just 'but I can't hassle the author of HB as easily as I can with clique' .. so figured I'd just mumble the question under my breath ;) |
| 09:34.26 | [Ammo] | I just got every healer to see the light and switch from healbot :p |
| 09:34.32 | [Ammo] | last week I converted the last |
| 09:35.28 | jnwhiteh | HealBot is just.. not good |
| 09:35.36 | jnwhiteh | I prefer unit frame freedom :P |
| 09:35.42 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 09:35.49 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 09:35.51 | jnwhiteh | its even on curse now |
| 09:35.54 | jnwhiteh | so people shoudl stop bitching |
| 09:36.11 | jnwhiteh | if anyone has UI suggestions for clique2, lemme know. |
| 09:36.23 | jnwhiteh | i still like the configuration method |
| 09:36.23 | [Ammo] | make the clique2 ui fit better with the blizzard style :) |
| 09:36.26 | jnwhiteh | and people seem to as well |
| 09:36.29 | [Ammo] | the config method is awesome |
| 09:36.29 | jnwhiteh | [Ammo]: yeah, that' seasy |
| 09:36.32 | [Ammo] | just update the style :) |
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| 09:36.55 | [Ammo] | converting healbot users: 'but I've used healbot forever!' 'the romans used led water pipes forever, see where that got them!' |
| 09:36.58 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 09:37.02 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 09:37.08 | jnwhiteh | the addon has bot in its name |
| 09:37.16 | jnwhiteh | and always was a "one-click healing solution" |
| 09:37.18 | jnwhiteh | which is bullshit |
| 09:37.41 | jnwhiteh | that's why I stopped using castparty |
| 09:37.43 | jnwhiteh | and moved to watchdog |
| 09:37.47 | jnwhiteh | then Blizz came out with 2.0 |
| 09:37.51 | jnwhiteh | and I laughed at them all |
| 09:38.23 | jnwhiteh | and was glad I stuck my ground and never added those features to WatchDog |
| 09:38.28 | Arrowmaster | healbot used to be the 'spam this keybinding and watch tv' addon right? |
| 09:38.40 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 09:38.44 | jnwhiteh | same with castparty |
| 09:38.50 | Codayus_ | Mmm, Molten Core with a 1-click auto-target/auto-rank heal macro... Good times! |
| 09:38.53 | jnwhiteh | same with decursive |
| 09:38.57 | Codayus_ | ...wait, no they wearn't. |
| 09:39.08 | Arrowmaster | ill admit i leveled my rogue to 40 or so using the roguespam addon..... |
| 09:39.25 | jnwhiteh | figuring out rotations is half the fun |
| 09:39.38 | Arrowmaster | not when your leveling |
| 09:39.43 | Arrowmaster | and everything sucks |
| 09:39.48 | [Ammo] | bleetah: if you like clique, try http://www.wowace.com/projects/castdonut/ |
| 09:39.49 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 09:39.55 | jnwhiteh | <3 castdonut |
| 09:39.55 | [Ammo] | </plug> |
| 09:39.58 | jnwhiteh | so nice |
| 09:40.36 | bleetah | jnwhiteh: the one thing that annoys me about clique config, pressing escape to close the config foo. opening up spell book again brings up config. |
| 09:40.37 | Codayus_ | One click addons were nice for when you're doing something mindless and annoying. Like leveling a rogue, or healing MC... |
| 09:40.53 | Codayus_ | Ooh, CastDonut looks like win. |
| 09:41.04 | bleetah | jnwhiteh: frequently, i've configged, hit escape... then gone to do some trade like foo and ended up configging a trade in clique |
| 09:41.11 | Arrowmaster | my rogue is still only lvl 62 |
| 09:41.13 | Arrowmaster | so boring |
| 09:41.18 | jnwhiteh | not sure how that will work in the new version |
| 09:41.25 | Codayus_ | ...I was about to ask if it did GCD too, then I read the last line. :-) |
| 09:41.26 | Arrowmaster | i have a HWL sword though! |
| 09:41.30 | bleetah | then clique bitches I've defined some config twice, etc... minor annoyance, to be sure... but that's totally the only thing that annoys me :) |
| 09:41.32 | jnwhiteh | it'll use the UI panel system |
| 09:41.49 | jnwhiteh | i'll let you all test drive |
| 09:41.50 | jnwhiteh | and we'll get it right |
| 09:41.56 | Arrowmaster | HWL sword + hemo = win |
| 09:42.21 | [Ammo] | Codayus_: yeah I added that recently |
| 09:42.29 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e43766f8e632edb1f2e3cdaba4bf925e.png |
| 09:42.30 | jnwhiteh | castdonut |
| 09:42.40 | jnwhiteh | and freebgrid |
| 09:43.08 | Fisker- | your mom is a castdonut |
| 09:43.09 | Fisker- | also nice named |
| 09:43.11 | Fisker- | name* |
| 09:43.13 | Codayus_ | freebgrid? |
| 09:43.28 | [Ammo] | oUF layout |
| 09:43.39 | Codayus_ | Fair enough. |
| 09:43.40 | bleetah | [Ammo]: that's the last thing I need, another of your freakin' addons :P |
| 09:44.03 | jnwhiteh | its like grid, without the uber module and thus inefficient structure |
| 09:44.08 | jnwhiteh | its honestly perfect for me as a healer |
| 09:44.12 | jnwhiteh | has absolutely everything i want |
| 09:44.13 | [Ammo] | I like my grid ;) |
| 09:44.28 | [Ammo] | but yeah, freebgrid is good too |
| 09:44.40 | jnwhiteh | well i don't have to configure ANYTHING on freebgrid |
| 09:44.50 | Arrowmaster | your cast bar is fugly |
| 09:44.53 | jnwhiteh | although I added my code to fit as much of the name in the fontstring as possible. |
| 09:44.57 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: its dominos |
| 09:45.08 | Arrowmaster | thats fugly |
| 09:45.12 | jnwhiteh | dunno that i care enough to add another addon |
| 09:45.25 | jnwhiteh | but i'm open to suggestions |
| 09:47.27 | jnwhiteh | my UI is sad, needs a bit of work |
| 09:47.33 | jnwhiteh | but I dunno what to change, so i don't |
| 09:47.52 | bleetah | i've got to the point I really don't give a damn that much about the look of my UI |
| 09:48.07 | bleetah | long as I can select my target and push the right buttons it could be black for all I care |
| 09:48.10 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:50.18 | [Ammo] | I should reduce the number of buttons on my UI |
| 09:50.22 | [Ammo] | I have 6 rows of 12 actionbuttons |
| 09:50.54 | jnwhiteh | mikma's addon Pssst |
| 09:50.56 | jnwhiteh | sexy: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e43766f8e632edb1f2e3cdaba4bf925e.png |
| 09:51.10 | [Ammo] | what does it do? |
| 09:51.41 | jnwhiteh | logs the last 10 party/guild/whispers |
| 09:52.05 | [Ammo] | ah ok |
| 09:52.16 | jnwhiteh | so you dont miss anything on reload/spam |
| 09:52.29 | [Ammo] | handy |
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| 10:22.33 | jnwhiteh | Anyone here work with or relatively familiar with NetBSD? |
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| 10:29.03 | Arrowmaster | not really, why? |
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| 10:29.31 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: need to do some research on it |
| 10:30.16 | jnwhiteh | in particular with regards to scheduler activations/smp stuff |
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| 10:30.49 | jnwhiteh | but I need to do some work before i jump on the mailing list.. and wanted to poll thisgroup first =) |
| 10:30.54 | Arrowmaster | afaik it shouldnt be that different from the other two bsds |
| 10:32.20 | jnwhiteh | in this respect, it is =) |
| 10:32.46 | jnwhiteh | Scheduler activations were implemented in NetBSD, whereas in FreeBSD they were KSEs, which is different. Both were abandoned in favor of a 1:1 threading model.. but NetBSD is the easier path for me right now |
| 10:32.47 | jnwhiteh | I think =) |
| 10:33.08 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 10:33.12 | Arrowmaster | interesting |
| 10:33.33 | Arrowmaster | ive never actually used any flavor of bsd for an extended period of time |
| 10:34.33 | Arrowmaster | i think somebody setup a freebsd box in school and i probably broke it (init=/bin/sh ftw) |
| 10:34.48 | jnwhiteh | i really like freebsd |
| 10:35.47 | msou| | jnwhiteh: try #NetBSD on efnet most of them hangs there |
| 10:36.14 | msou| | not sure if mspo shaded and the rest here on freenode |
| 10:36.53 | jnwhiteh | oh good point |
| 10:36.53 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 10:37.08 | msou| | np |
| 10:37.36 | Arrowmaster | people still use efnet for legal things? |
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| 10:37.44 | msou| | I come from efnet =) |
| 10:37.54 | msou| | been there since 1997 |
| 10:37.56 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:38.10 | Arrowmaster | i go there every now and then |
| 10:38.55 | msou| | I'm in 4 channels I think, #epic, #netbsd #scrollz and hrm cannot remember the lastone now |
| 10:40.10 | msou| | I still remember the guy asking "how can I put bitchx into my mirc" or some such |
| 10:40.19 | msou| | was funny at the time :/ |
| 10:49.40 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:49.41 | Fisker- | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:49.46 | Fisker- | slaps Zeksie around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:50.32 | Grum | tempting |
| 10:53.14 | Ackis | anyone awake right now that can tell me how git diff works? |
| 10:53.20 | Grum | ask! |
| 10:53.36 | Ackis | how does git diff work? :P |
| 10:53.45 | Grum | do you know how diff works? |
| 10:53.46 | jnwhiteh | what do you mean how does it work? |
| 10:53.49 | Grum | it works just like that |
| 10:53.50 | Fisker- | Ackis my nemesis |
| 10:53.53 | Fisker- | it's Starcraft 2 tiems |
| 10:53.59 | jnwhiteh | if you have changes from HEAD |
| 10:54.01 | jnwhiteh | git diff will show them |
| 10:54.05 | jnwhiteh | as long as those files haven't been staged |
| 10:54.11 | jnwhiteh | if they have, you can specify HEAD to diff against them |
| 10:54.16 | Ackis | I want to see the diff from latest to release - 1 |
| 10:54.17 | Grum | with --cached |
| 10:54.20 | jnwhiteh | git diff HEAD^ |
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| 10:55.14 | Fisker- | come stand on the point you git |
| 10:55.14 | Grum | actually it should be git diff release^ , with release being the sha/tag that identifies the commit you say is 'release' |
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| 10:55.37 | jnwhiteh | yes, if you'r enot checking against head |
| 10:55.38 | foxlit | "The Battle.net Account features are now completely live in Europe!" << "Europeans, now you too can experience our excellent log-in issues." |
| 10:55.39 | jnwhiteh | sorry :P |
| 10:56.02 | Legorol | foxlit: awesome, i think i'll hold off on merging just yet :) |
| 10:56.07 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:56.51 | Ackis | so: git diff gabb3ab5^ |
| 10:57.26 | Grum | Ackis: git diff --help :D |
| 10:57.30 | Grum | its quite sane to use it |
| 10:57.33 | Ackis | already looked at it |
| 10:58.00 | Grum | and the problem is you are not getting the results you want? |
| 10:58.45 | Ackis | aye |
| 10:59.06 | Ackis | ie: i can see somethings by manually comparing |
| 10:59.35 | Ackis | yet git diff isn't showing them |
| 10:59.41 | Grum | comparing what exactly? |
| 11:00.34 | Ackis | the latest release vs the revision I want to see the diff of |
| 11:01.02 | Grum | if you dont want to see it against the latest one you have to tell it what yo uwant to see the difference between |
| 11:01.05 | Grum | ea 2 versions |
| 11:01.24 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.24 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.37 | Ackis | yah my issue comes with specifying the commit |
| 11:01.41 | Grum | why? |
| 11:01.57 | Ackis | just doesn't work |
| 11:02.09 | Grum | and git show <commit> does work? |
| 11:02.30 | Ackis | nope... |
| 11:02.35 | Grum | then its not a commit ;) |
| 11:03.07 | Grum | are you poking about in private stuff or can i take a look at it somewhere? |
| 11:03.53 | Ackis | I was using a shortened version of the commit hash =/ |
| 11:03.56 | Ackis | it's libaboutpanel |
| 11:04.07 | Ackis | git://git.curseforge.net/wow/libaboutpanel/mainline.git |
| 11:04.13 | Grum | if the shortened one is unique it should work |
| 11:04.48 | Grum | what do you want to diff between? |
| 11:04.57 | Ackis | git diff abb3ab5176517fe108c1e325bc689e984b4fb023 HEAD |
| 11:04.59 | Ackis | that works |
| 11:05.03 | Ackis | but gives me weird results |
| 11:05.08 | Ackis | which is due to... I have no idea |
| 11:06.29 | Grum | how is the result weird? |
| 11:06.31 | Grum | what did you expect? |
| 11:07.33 | Ackis | i expected about 3-4 lines diff |
| 11:07.38 | Ackis | instead the entire file is diffed |
| 11:07.48 | Grum | yes, line endings |
| 11:09.43 | Ackis | why would those show up? |
| 11:10.12 | Grum | because they are different? :) |
| 11:10.53 | Ackis | i thought repo's took that into account :P |
| 11:11.19 | Grum | err? |
| 11:11.23 | Grum | no you should |
| 11:11.44 | Ackis | ? |
| 11:11.54 | Ackis | like is there a flag i didn't set or something? |
| 11:11.59 | Grum | yup |
| 11:12.00 | Ackis | I know svn has properties to set |
| 11:12.03 | foxlit | "Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 66 commits." |
| 11:12.14 | Grum | look at git config --help and search for crlf :) |
| 11:12.27 | foxlit | $git push >> "Everything up-to-date" |
| 11:12.50 | Grum | foxlit: which is accurate? |
| 11:13.03 | Grum | git just tells you you have no new changes that the remote end doesn't have |
| 11:13.57 | Grum | Ackis: let me guess, you use windows and Tekkub a mac? |
| 11:14.00 | foxlit | So why am I 'ahead' of origin/master? |
| 11:14.12 | Ackis | tek doesnt' commit to it, but I use windows |
| 11:14.24 | Grum | then who is the other committee? |
| 11:14.36 | Grum | foxlit: because your local branch has 66 new commits |
| 11:14.39 | Ackis | someone who fixed a dry-code error on my behalf lol |
| 11:14.48 | Grum | Ackis: ah |
| 11:14.51 | foxlit | Grum: so why is everything up-to-date? :) |
| 11:15.07 | Grum | foxlit: because you cannot push a local branch over unless it knows where to push it |
| 11:15.07 | Ackis | core.autocrlf or core.safecrlf |
| 11:15.35 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you still had crlf line endings in the .docmeta file though, and thats your fault |
| 11:15.40 | foxlit | I would presume it would push master to origin/master. |
| 11:15.48 | foxlit | Or whine if it can't resolve that. |
| 11:15.58 | Grum | foxlit: depends on your settings |
| 11:16.16 | Grum | you cloned, made changes in your local master ? |
| 11:16.18 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: i've presumed that all the crlf stuff is "my fault" |
| 11:16.38 | foxlit | Actually, no. I just push my local master elsewhere periodically. |
| 11:17.01 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: primer's commit was his fault i think but i dont know how since he was on linux and using vim, he said vim had the [dos] on the status line when he opened it |
| 11:17.26 | Grum | git commits LF by default unless you are on windhose without proper settings |
| 11:17.31 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:17.38 | Arrowmaster | git commits whatever you give it by default |
| 11:17.43 | Grum | oh mm it commits what you type indeed |
| 11:17.51 | Grum | unless you 'fix' windows to translate |
| 11:18.03 | Ackis | gah why don't they just use the same system :P |
| 11:18.17 | Grum | blame windows for being in the typewriter stage |
| 11:18.25 | Ackis | heh |
| 11:18.27 | Arrowmaster | you can use core.autocrlf input to make it convert crlf to lf but not force it to change lf to crlf on checkout |
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| 11:19.04 | Grum | foxlit: so you have multiple remotes? |
| 11:19.09 | foxlit | no. |
| 11:19.24 | Grum | then hwo did you get your repo? you once started fresh of that and pushed to a remote spot? |
| 11:19.26 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: simple solution is to just deal w/ unix type on all files? |
| 11:19.33 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:19.36 | foxlit | More or less. |
| 11:20.01 | Grum | so git just doesnt know where to push it |
| 11:20.04 | Grum | you can just tell it |
| 11:21.58 | Grum | git push origin master should just do that |
| 11:22.15 | foxlit | "Everything up-to-date" |
| 11:24.55 | Grum | and where do you get the message you are ahead? :D |
| 11:25.01 | foxlit | git status |
| 11:25.44 | Grum | wtb paste of your .git/config somewhere :) |
| 11:26.36 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.56 | foxlit | mostly boring |
| 11:27.00 | Grum | looks completely sane |
| 11:31.13 | Grum | so foxlit, you have the 66 new commits on your side? (and it shows that in gitk --all as well?) |
| 11:32.45 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 11:32.59 | foxlit | The commits are probably also pushed to remote -- it's just that origin/master points at the wrong commit |
| 11:33.16 | Grum | git fetch origin should move those refs along |
| 11:33.36 | Grum | you using a recent version of git? |
| 11:33.49 | foxlit | 1.6 |
| 11:34.53 | foxlit | git fetch origin worked |
| 11:35.08 | Grum | it should do that when you pull afaik o.O |
| 11:35.41 | Grum | maybe pop by in #git and make them explain? :D |
| 11:35.42 | haste | pull is fetch+merge pretty much |
| 11:35.49 | Grum | yup |
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| 11:36.08 | Grum | shouldnt push also update the local refs? |
| 11:36.11 | Grum | would make sense |
| 11:37.00 | foxlit | So, in other news, I fixed [flyable] for OPie. |
| 11:37.06 | foxlit | It behaves. Properly. Everywhere. |
| 11:37.35 | foxlit | (but only for OPie macros :) ) |
| 11:38.13 | Grum | everywhere being Dalaran mostly? |
| 11:38.30 | Grum | btw push does move the origin/master along here in the test i just did |
| 11:38.35 | Grum | maybe you have an old git? :D |
| 11:38.43 | Grum | what version exactly ? :D |
| 11:38.46 | foxlit | .0 |
| 11:38.58 | Grum | 1.6.0.0? |
| 11:39.04 | foxlit | less .0s |
| 11:39.10 | foxlit | 1.6.0 |
| 11:39.36 | Grum | that is kinda old |
| 11:40.13 | Grum | Date: Sun Aug 17 11:42:22 2008 -0700 |
| 11:40.52 | foxlit | "Wed Mar 11 14:37:26 2009" |
| 11:41.19 | foxlit | Though something is lying here |
| 11:44.14 | foxlit | "everywhere being Dalaran mostly?" << Wintergrasp and lower levels without CWF. |
| 11:54.24 | foxlit | "SVN Revisions: 255" << I think Shirik had to release the beta before that unsigned char counter suffered an overflow. |
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| 12:41.25 | dardack | is minion working on linux for anyone? |
| 12:43.04 | dardack | i mean it installs, but i can't open th eoptions nor does it detect any addons |
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| 12:52.27 | zenzio | <foxlit> "SVN Revisions: 255" << I think Shirik had to release the beta before that unsigned char counter suffered an overflow. <--- nonsense, I'm told Java doesn't know of the concept of "unsigned" |
| 12:54.20 | nevcairiel | its true =( |
| 12:58.01 | dardack | yawn |
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| 12:59.40 | dardack | that was wierd i got minion working on my windows machine, it downloaded some wierd addons |
| 13:01.56 | Kalroth | nev lies! |
| 13:03.19 | Kalroth | http://darksleep.com/player/JavaAndUnsignedTypes.html |
| 13:04.14 | nevcairiel | you can emulate any type of data type using bit magic =P |
| 13:04.24 | dardack | anyone know the frame name of the world pvp objectives frame? |
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| 13:10.09 | dardack | Lopeppeppy: just checked my custom cursor forum post, thanks so much for the response, been busy so haven't checked in 2 weeks |
| 13:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | :) They're workin' on it, dardack. It won't be quick, but it's on the plate! |
| 13:10.51 | dardack | well that's all i was asking for |
| 13:11.08 | dardack | ya know, just confirmation that either it wasn't itended or too bad working as intended |
| 13:11.33 | dardack | i really miss it in linux, you can get a faux hardware cursor by hiding blizzards and using the OS's cursor |
| 13:12.08 | Lopeppeppy | Well... remember that *ix systems aren't supported by Bliz, so what they do may or may not help you. |
| 13:12.31 | dardack | oh i know, my point is you can't hide the blizz cursor without custom cursors |
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| 13:18.46 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i was thinking about rewriting Pssst so it would actually dock 3 small buttons to chat and when you mouseover the buttons it'll show the logs |
| 13:28.31 | dardack | anyone know the frame name of the world pvp objectives frame? |
| 13:29.24 | mikma | you know what you could do, use spew to find it out! /spew mouse (when you mouseover it) |
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| 13:37.29 | dardack | spew is an addon? |
| 13:38.11 | mikma | yes |
| 13:38.15 | mikma | !addon spew |
| 13:38.16 | lua_bot | Spew (v. 3.0.3.5-Release) last updated Mon Nov 24 05:26 (http://is.gd/GTW8) |
| 13:41.23 | Lopeppeppy | If you're gonna spew, spew in this. |
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| 14:03.55 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24038 |
| 14:03.58 | foxlit | boo hiss! |
| 14:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | When Seerah wakes up, I'll make sure to show her, if no one else has gotten to it before then! |
| 14:05.35 | zenzelezz | www.*********.com, that's such a cool URL |
| 14:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, it's the bestest. |
| 14:06.21 | zenzelezz | if it was valid, I'd totally register it just to put up a page that said "My god, it's full of stars" |
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| 14:09.21 | Kalroth | it's a hidden password URL |
| 14:09.43 | Kalroth | if your password is the domain name in the URL, then the stars are removed |
| 14:09.43 | mikma | only works when you type your own password in there |
| 14:10.36 | Lopeppeppy | which means the asshat used his site name as his password, quick, hack his account! |
| 14:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | doesn't recommend that, actually... |
| 14:12.10 | Fisker- | do you guys remember when mikma promised me a spot in the SC2 beta? |
| 14:12.20 | mikma | i lied! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAa |
| 14:13.03 | Kalroth | aww |
| 14:13.06 | Fisker- | naw i did |
| 14:13.11 | Kalroth | evil mikma |
| 14:13.17 | Fisker- | So if you lied you actually promised me a spot in the SC2 beta |
| 14:13.22 | Fisker- | paradox! |
| 14:13.28 | mikma | kalroth: it's fister-, he deserves it |
| 14:13.42 | Kalroth | fister Fisker? |
| 14:14.08 | Kalroth | try to append above sentence to "/me "! |
| 14:14.49 | Fisker- | jeg fister din mor |
| 14:14.58 | Kalroth | orv |
| 14:15.38 | |pez| | ... |
| 14:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | Bless you. |
| 14:17.21 | mikma | you left a booger in the left nostril there fister- |
| 14:17.50 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:17.55 | Adys | Any winer got TF2 lying around? |
| 14:19.01 | Kalroth | whiner, winner or wine'er? |
| 14:19.02 | Fisker- | both |
| 14:19.02 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 14:19.02 | Fisker- | only a whiner here |
| 14:19.02 | mikma | whiner- |
| 14:20.53 | Fisker- | hey mikma |
| 14:20.55 | Fisker- | wanna play SC2? |
| 14:20.59 | mikma | nope |
| 14:21.07 | mikma | but i'd like to play D3 instead |
| 14:22.33 | Industrial | SC2? is that out? (no idea) |
| 14:23.03 | Industrial | I'm plying SC1 right now :p |
| 14:23.45 | Lopeppeppy | I need to register for the beta... I always remember it at work, which does no one any good at all!! |
| 14:25.08 | Industrial | I'm trying to learn how to play faster in SC1 :p pretty hard.. I used to play age of empires online with keyboard shortcuts and everything and wasnt a bad player, can also do red alert 2 on brutal mode but I cant even beat the fucking PC once in SC :p |
| 14:25.10 | mikma | industrial: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/not_allowed_sign.jpg |
| 14:25.36 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/biking3.gif <- points from hobo |
| 14:25.37 | Industrial | rofl |
| 14:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | That sucks! |
| 14:26.47 | Industrial | wonder if theres SC for osx.. |
| 14:26.50 | Industrial | (:D?_) |
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| 14:27.17 | Industrial | http://torrentz.com/search?q=starcraft+osx |
| 14:27.22 | Industrial | apparently there is! |
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| 14:27.50 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/3564094749_c3a49b755f_b.jpg |
| 14:28.22 | mikma | guest82578: muhahaha, busy busy |
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| 14:29.56 | Fisker- | beta starts this week Industrial ! |
| 14:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | Does it? I'm gonna assume that I've missed out then. |
| 14:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear, [10:03] foxlit: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24038 |
| 14:31.06 | Lopeppeppy | If it's still there. |
| 14:31.21 | Shirik | thanks |
| 14:31.55 | mikma | shirik: has your poor little head exploded yet because of the 50+ bug reports you received after you pasted the minion link here? ;D |
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| 14:32.24 | Industrial | Fisker-: zomg |
| 14:32.57 | foxlit | for (Report r : reports) { if (Math.random(1, 10) < 9) r.close("Duplicate"); } |
| 14:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 14:34.10 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/motivator.jpg |
| 14:34.30 | Coren{de} | hey, it's <9 only for "blocker" bugs, for regular bugs it's <7 ;p |
| 14:35.34 | Shirik | I severely doubt anyone that's posted a "blocker" bug actually has a "blocker" bug |
| 14:36.03 | Coren{de} | btw. Reject/Approve lack a keyboard shortcut (trying to start minion with keyboard-only...) |
| 14:36.13 | nevcairiel | reporters should not be able to set the priority |
| 14:36.20 | nevcairiel | for them its always a blocker |
| 14:36.21 | Shirik | it's not priority, it's severity |
| 14:36.31 | nevcairiel | smartass |
| 14:36.32 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:36.37 | Coren{de} | there's a difference |
| 14:36.41 | mikma | shirik: atleast i thought "blocker" means that the software won't work at all |
| 14:36.50 | mikma | so, i put my bug-report as Blocker |
| 14:36.53 | nevcairiel | If its very severe, your priority in fixing it is high too, isnt it? |
| 14:36.54 | Shirik | no, it means it's blocking progress of something else |
| 14:36.57 | nevcairiel | (unless you suck, etc) |
| 14:37.03 | Coren{de} | not necessarily, nev |
| 14:37.12 | mikma | shirik: then you might want to change it to something that tells you that INSTALL FAILED |
| 14:37.22 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.24 | Shirik | in all honesty I don't know what to do for you mikma |
| 14:37.27 | Shirik | I guess I can give you a DLL |
| 14:37.29 | Shirik | but it's really your own fault |
| 14:37.39 | mikma | shirik: no, there are 2 others with the same error |
| 14:37.44 | mikma | it's not just me now <3 |
| 14:37.48 | Shirik | And I should tell them all the same thing :P |
| 14:37.51 | Coren{de} | "if I do that, it deletes all my AddOns" might be severe, but if the thing that one does is *very* unusual, it isn't that high on priority |
| 14:37.54 | Shirik | learn to update windows |
| 14:38.17 | zenzelezz | Minion installed and ran fine on my XP. I actually really liked the interface |
| 14:38.30 | Mats | ;o |
| 14:39.50 | zenzelezz | Shirik: is it possible for the installer thing to add start menu shortcuts? |
| 14:39.59 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:40.18 | nevcairiel | why doesn't it, then? =) |
| 14:40.31 | zenzelezz | then I think you should at least ask if you want one. I don't have desktop icons turned on, so I had to look around to find the program ;) |
| 14:40.35 | nevcairiel | you know, its a windows convention too |
| 14:40.48 | Shirik | because it's a PITA and I haven't done it yet |
| 14:40.49 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:40.51 | Fisker- | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:40.51 | Fisker- | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:40.58 | zenzelezz | Shirik: just a suggestion :) |
| 14:41.07 | Shirik | wait |
| 14:41.08 | Shirik | I already did that |
| 14:41.13 | Mats | ... |
| 14:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | Guys... be happy you have a friggin' installer at all. Give suggestions gently or I'll beat you as hard as you are beating Shirik! *taps foot* |
| 14:41.23 | Shirik | maybe I didn't upload the new executable |
| 14:41.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: sorry, I was clearly out of line |
| 14:42.16 | Lopeppeppy | huggles zenzelezz. |
| 14:42.20 | Coren{de} | it did add a desktop icon on XP, did not on Linux... |
| 14:42.37 | Kalroth | I got a suggestion! Don't use Java! |
| 14:42.55 | Shirik | the installer's not even in Java |
| 14:42.59 | Shirik | well, part of it is |
| 14:43.01 | Shirik | part of it's an EXE |
| 14:43.01 | Coren{de} | that's not even a suggestion, that's a flamebait :p |
| 14:43.05 | nevcairiel | it comes in a .jar |
| 14:43.08 | nevcairiel | its jar-va |
| 14:43.14 | Kalroth | Coren{de} :P |
| 14:43.19 | Shirik | yes but for windows users it just ends up downloading an executable and running it |
| 14:43.23 | Shirik | or, if your name's mikma, dying |
| 14:43.34 | Kalroth | If it aint native x86 then I wan't nothing to do with it! |
| 14:43.35 | Coren{de} | lol... so mikma is hardcoded fail? :> |
| 14:43.37 | nevcairiel | why can't the java install stuff? |
| 14:43.43 | Shirik | permissions |
| 14:43.50 | Shirik | Java has no way to get through UAC |
| 14:43.58 | nevcairiel | the jdk has no way to get elevated? |
| 14:44.04 | nevcairiel | fail-java |
| 14:44.08 | Shirik | nope, because actually processes can't do that |
| 14:44.15 | Shirik | it is impossible for any program to elevate itself |
| 14:44.20 | Coren{de} | well, who with a sane mind has UAC activer after the second boot? :D |
| 14:44.28 | nevcairiel | I have on win7 |
| 14:44.28 | Shirik | the only time a program can be elevated is at startup of the process |
| 14:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | Most sheeple, Coren{de} |
| 14:44.32 | nevcairiel | because they fixed the shit |
| 14:44.39 | Kalroth | nev, you're not sane though |
| 14:44.56 | Shirik | so the way I do it is java calls an executable which essentially restarts itself as admin |
| 14:45.07 | Coren{de} | having UAC active is a *proof* of insanity, I think that should be added to that psychological catalogue... |
| 14:45.10 | Shirik | (using an undocumented Windows API, I might add :P) |
| 14:45.12 | nevcairiel | can't java start a new java which is elevated? |
| 14:45.14 | mikma | shirik: there are other "mikma" people failing too ;) |
| 14:45.16 | Kalroth | lol |
| 14:45.23 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.24 | Shirik | there's no call to do that, nevcairiel |
| 14:45.31 | Shirik | you could do it with JNI I guess, but that doesn't gain you much |
| 14:45.47 | nevcairiel | java-fail |
| 14:45.47 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:45.48 | Kalroth | can't java fork a new process which is elevated and calls new java?! |
| 14:45.57 | Mats | No. |
| 14:46.08 | Fisker- | ninjaundresses mikma |
| 14:46.10 | zenzelezz | whether or not it can, it's easy enough what it does |
| 14:46.27 | Mats | But, it's fairly easy to modify the JVM to do that, however. |
| 14:46.27 | nevcairiel | I guess not having a real executable, and not being able to provide a manifest for the executable is an issue =P |
| 14:46.29 | mikma | fisker-: wow, that was nice. how did you know i'm almost naked here? |
| 14:46.29 | zenzelezz | Shirik: did you compile the Windows executable yourself? |
| 14:46.30 | Coren{de} | it would have to fork another VM from inside its VM, not just another process as a process |
| 14:46.52 | Mats | But.. handing everyone an edited JVM isn't the way to go. |
| 14:47.01 | Shirik | yes zenzelezz |
| 14:47.09 | zenzelezz | Shirik: which compiler did you use? |
| 14:47.12 | Shirik | VS |
| 14:47.16 | zenzelezz | version? |
| 14:47.20 | Kalroth | Coren{de}: I see what you're saying. So basically Shirik should release a Java VM engine with it's own OS to be able to launch an elevated process. |
| 14:47.23 | Shirik | 2008 |
| 14:47.35 | nevcairiel | do you ship the runtime dll with it? |
| 14:47.42 | Mats | .... |
| 14:47.43 | zenzelezz | I just remember reading about how some recent version changed the runtime, so you need an updated runtime to use programs compiled with it |
| 14:47.45 | Coren{de} | uhuh, msvcrt.dll? |
| 14:47.54 | Kalroth | lol |
| 14:47.59 | nevcairiel | if you're not careful, the default msvcrt.dll wont work |
| 14:48.06 | nevcairiel | and you need msvcrt80.dll or something =P |
| 14:48.15 | Shirik | and it should be distributed with windows update |
| 14:48.16 | Shirik | really |
| 14:48.17 | nevcairiel | guess why WoW ships it with it! |
| 14:48.26 | Coren{de} | that'd be ugly... msvcrt80 probably has .NET in it, crappers :D |
| 14:48.28 | zenzelezz | Shirik: should or is? |
| 14:48.35 | Shirik | is |
| 14:48.37 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 14:48.41 | Kalroth | Just don't link to external dll's? |
| 14:48.42 | nevcairiel | but you can't rely on that |
| 14:48.44 | Shirik | which is why most people are having fine |
| 14:49.01 | Kalroth | Shirik: no, the dll that Blizzard uses is local for WoW only |
| 14:49.03 | zenzelezz | I agree you can't rely on it, I was just curious all along if this was the issue |
| 14:49.11 | Shirik | huh? |
| 14:49.19 | Shirik | I think it is zenzelezz |
| 14:49.21 | Kalroth | the dll is in the same folder as WoW.exe, no? |
| 14:49.22 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: linking statically is not generally a nice idea |
| 14:49.24 | Shirik | that error message is consistent with that kind of problem |
| 14:49.35 | Coren{de} | zenzeless, why not? |
| 14:49.36 | Shirik | and that's where my mind was already |
| 14:49.38 | Coren{de} | static > all |
| 14:49.41 | Shirik | I'm just trying to think of a good way to handle it |
| 14:49.48 | Coren{de} | especially for a run-only-once exe |
| 14:49.50 | Kalroth | zenzelezz: If you want any kind of control of your program then you need to do it |
| 14:49.57 | nevcairiel | Its a silly (yet common) error, when using the brand new compiler, it needs the newest runtime, which sadly doesnt come with windows =( |
| 14:50.04 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: most programs don't need that contorl |
| 14:50.05 | Kalroth | Entering the dll-hell isn't worth it |
| 14:50.06 | nevcairiel | most apps just ship it with it |
| 14:50.07 | zenzelezz | *control |
| 14:50.52 | Kalroth | zenzelezz: Wha? So you'd rather enter a dll hell than do static links? |
| 14:50.52 | nevcairiel | I used to compile some apps with VS6 for backwards compat, while deving with VS2005 or so |
| 14:51.00 | Coren{de} | I think for what the program does, it should have really minimalistic msvrt.dll dependencies and that'd be it... |
| 14:51.01 | nevcairiel | been a long time <.< |
| 14:51.03 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: I'd rather be smarter and avoid both |
| 14:51.09 | Kalroth | ... |
| 14:51.21 | Kalroth | Your nickname fits you! |
| 14:51.25 | Shirik | Coren{de}: No matter how minimalistic, it needs it |
| 14:51.27 | Fisker- | hey |
| 14:51.32 | Shirik | I don't even think you need to use it |
| 14:51.33 | zenzelezz | finally someone thinks so |
| 14:51.37 | Shirik | and it is marked as a dependency |
| 14:52.42 | Coren{de} | then it should be possible to link it statically... there *are* exes without an explicit dependency out there |
| 14:53.18 | Coren{de} | hell, if there's no other way, install Borland Delphi and write a Pascal three liner... that's possible to be fully independent ~ |
| 14:53.42 | zenzelezz | or he could just compile it with a slightly older version of VS |
| 14:53.54 | nevcairiel | or with mingw, it runs on the system-runtime as well |
| 14:54.05 | foxlit | Grr, no git man-pages for me. |
| 14:54.19 | Coren{de} | I think VS2003 was the last without msvrt80.dll and it was a horrible bug-feast to work with... |
| 14:54.31 | nevcairiel | you just need the compiler =P |
| 14:54.35 | Coren{de} | <3 VS6.0 |
| 14:54.43 | nevcairiel | yeah VS6 was so nice and simple |
| 14:54.51 | zenzelezz | and standards-incompatible |
| 14:55.02 | nevcairiel | not like that improved =P |
| 14:55.05 | zenzelezz | yes it did |
| 14:55.15 | zenzelezz | and VC2010 is looking pretty nice so far |
| 14:56.06 | Coren{de} | the only actually bad thing in VS6.0 was the STL... it had some weird kinks |
| 14:56.58 | Mats | :< |
| 14:57.20 | Mats | Is there any non-jnlp installer of MMOUI? ;p |
| 14:57.28 | nevcairiel | its written in java |
| 14:57.30 | nevcairiel | so, uh, no? |
| 14:57.31 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:57.38 | Mats | That doesnt mean anything |
| 14:57.42 | Mats | an application doesnt NEED jnlp |
| 14:57.55 | Mats | Its just a way of saying "hey, here's how to start it" |
| 14:57.56 | Lopeppeppy | is gonna give Shirik a vacation to Hawaii. |
| 14:58.07 | Shirik | yes Mats |
| 14:58.20 | Shirik | http://minion.mmoui.com/minioninstaller.jar I think |
| 14:58.24 | Shirik | try that |
| 14:58.24 | Coren{de} | true, a jar to download would be sufficient as well... but jnlp doesn't do much more than download a jar and execute it, so... |
| 14:58.30 | Mats | Ah, I see it now. |
| 14:58.33 | Mats | It's in the jnlp too |
| 14:58.40 | Mats | Blame Sun SDK ;p |
| 14:58.51 | Shirik | I used JWS simply because it checks for the right Sun JRE version, etc. |
| 14:58.55 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 14:58.56 | mikma | shirik: http://www.mmoui.com/bugs/view.php?id=56 |
| 14:59.00 | Shirik | and helps you get it if necessar |
| 14:59.02 | mikma | see the latest response |
| 14:59.06 | Shirik | I'm going to work |
| 14:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | Have a good day, Shirik! |
| 14:59.55 | Mats | Have fun at work! |
| 15:00.02 | Coren{de} | have fun =) |
| 15:04.10 | nicoli_s | hey, i dont get to have fun at work, why does shirik? |
| 15:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | Because I lurvs him bestest of all the people heading into work at this particular moment. |
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| 15:06.05 | mikma | oh lookie lookie |
| 15:06.12 | mikma | slakah saved the day |
| 15:06.19 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=138733&posted=1#post138733 ;) |
| 15:07.13 | nevcairiel | that would fix it, installing the runtime manually |
| 15:17.14 | Mats | Wow |
| 15:17.16 | Mats | I have to admit. |
| 15:17.19 | Mats | This works pretty cool |
| 15:17.28 | Mats | I'm unsure if there's a normal way to run Minion. |
| 15:17.34 | Mats | But, it looks pretty |
| 15:18.13 | nevcairiel | normal way? |
| 15:18.16 | Mats | Yes |
| 15:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | Normal? |
| 15:18.17 | Mats | As in. |
| 15:18.23 | Lopeppeppy | I run it quite normally, thanks. |
| 15:18.30 | Mats | Not having to create my own application to invoke Minion. |
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| 15:18.48 | nevcairiel | I just click the icon on my desktop |
| 15:18.53 | Mats | ... ah |
| 15:19.08 | Mats | Yeah |
| 15:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | Same here. Pretty darned normal. |
| 15:19.10 | Mats | That one didnt work ;p |
| 15:19.13 | nevcairiel | i mean its just a .jar file |
| 15:19.22 | nevcairiel | just run it through a java vm |
| 15:19.26 | Mats | I am. |
| 15:19.43 | Mats | Eclipse runs it just fine. |
| 15:19.59 | nevcairiel | You are totally broken then, if you need eclipse to run it =P |
| 15:20.20 | nevcairiel | if everything else fails, create a shortcut to "java -jar minion.jar" :P |
| 15:20.30 | nevcairiel | adjust pathes, of course |
| 15:20.36 | Mats | Well |
| 15:20.40 | Mats | Eclipse is doing a fine job. |
| 15:20.45 | Mats | And, I get debug output! |
| 15:21.21 | Mats | At least, from the installer. |
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| 15:21.34 | Mats | wb Shirik ;p |
| 15:21.37 | Shirik | ohi |
| 15:21.38 | Mats | Good job on Minion. |
| 15:21.55 | Mats | It's a fine application already. |
| 15:22.08 | Mats | My screwed up Java doesn't like it, however :< |
| 15:23.08 | Shirik | what's wrong? |
| 15:23.13 | |Jelly| | tackles Shirik |
| 15:23.22 | Mats | Oh, for some reason my Java VM isn't executing the .jar file in a normal way. |
| 15:23.27 | Mats | So, it forgets to link the libraries. |
| 15:23.41 | Mats | Executing it via Eclipse isn't giving any problems, though |
| 15:23.52 | Mats | So, most likely some Windows + Sun SDK configuration mismatch. |
| 15:27.12 | Mats | What's the MinionSecurityCenter for anyway? |
| 15:27.19 | Mats | For the logging in part? |
| 15:27.27 | Shirik | MinionSecurityManager? |
| 15:27.34 | Mats | Yes. |
| 15:27.45 | Shirik | all modules run in a sandbox of sorts |
| 15:27.50 | zenzelezz | I liked that Eclipse comment on Slashdot this morning... "I've used eclipse since version 2. I can't comment on it, I'm still waiting for it to open." |
| 15:28.02 | Mats | Ah! |
| 15:28.04 | Mats | I get it already. |
| 15:28.07 | Shirik | modules cause taint which reduces permissions, etc. |
| 15:28.25 | Shirik | modules get to request their permissions, though, and you'll see those when the wowi module starts up the first time |
| 15:28.52 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 15:29.19 | Mats | Great idea |
| 15:31.02 | Shirik | http://minion.mmoui.com/javadoc/com/mmoui/manager/services/Service.html#getPermissions() |
| 15:31.24 | Mats | I'm looking at the source right now |
| 15:31.30 | Mats | Looks pretty good |
| 15:32.20 | Mats | And well, Java is a big plus ;p |
| 15:33.22 | dardack | i'm having issues with getting minion to work on ubuntu (it installs and opens, but doesn't find any addons and when i go to the options nothign happens), do i report this in the bug area? |
| 15:34.25 | Mats | ;o |
| 15:34.42 | Shirik | I need your log file |
| 15:34.46 | Mats | A deprecated function already. |
| 15:34.49 | Mats | That's fast ;p |
| 15:35.22 | Shirik | it's deprecated in Java's implementation |
| 15:35.30 | Shirik | so I have to deprecated it when I extend otherwise I get warnings |
| 15:35.47 | Mats | Ohhh. |
| 15:36.34 | alestane | Shirik: TheOSX version you dropped says the WoWI module isn't valid. |
| 15:37.04 | alestane | Both downloaded this morning. |
| 15:37.52 | Mats | Still wondering which API would be deprecated in there |
| 15:38.00 | dardack | also, on windows machine it downloaded some very strange mods and deleted another (didn't delete the folder just the lua/toc files) |
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| 15:38.54 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn|afk: Ping pong |
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| 15:43.33 | Shirik | just fyi, I'm not really here |
| 15:43.40 | Shirik | I'm at work; I'm just here to keep an eye on things |
| 15:44.05 | AbsolutRayne | I dont suppose anyone in here would know much about Immigration Canada |
| 15:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | hmmm... Ackis might be a resource... |
| 15:46.04 | Ackis | ? |
| 15:46.47 | AbsolutRayne | DC test |
| 15:46.52 | AbsolutRayne | Ok still on |
| 15:47.19 | AbsolutRayne | I need to know if theres a Minimum time to leave Canada after visiting for 6 months, before I can re-enter |
| 15:47.38 | Ackis | i believe so, not sure what it is however |
| 15:47.38 | AbsolutRayne | Ive ordered the payment slip for a Visitor Extension 3 times, and I have yet to see one come to my doorstep. |
| 15:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | Sure that's not a mail screw up? |
| 15:48.25 | AbsolutRayne | I dont know what it is. |
| 15:48.27 | AbsolutRayne | Minus annoying. |
| 15:48.47 | Lopeppeppy | If I were in Canada, I'd find an American consulate in a major city, dial them and ask. But that's me being Peppy. |
| 15:50.30 | |Jelly| | ... and Peppy /will/ be Peppy! :P |
| 15:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | I do that. |
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| 15:51.02 | |Jelly| | <3 |
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| 15:51.27 | AbsolutRayne | The Consulate charges 2$ a minute. |
| 15:51.29 | AbsolutRayne | :| |
| 15:51.33 | AbsolutRayne | Just to fucking call them. |
| 15:51.39 | |Jelly| | Owned. |
| 15:51.45 | |Jelly| | Take a trip down there. |
| 15:51.55 | AbsolutRayne | To Calgary? 6 hours away? Sure. |
| 15:52.13 | nicoli_s | man thats fucked |
| 15:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. |
| 15:52.31 | |Jelly| | Yeah. I guess 12 hours of driving versus what? Being deported? |
| 15:52.34 | Lopeppeppy | What is the exact name of your visitor permission slip thing? |
| 15:52.41 | Wobin | ... the consulate... charges people for phone inquiries? |
| 15:52.56 | Wobin | What if you're in an emergency and can't 'afford' the charges? |
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| 15:53.35 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: where are you right now? |
| 15:53.41 | AbsolutRayne | Just outside Edmonton |
| 15:53.52 | Ackis | oh |
| 15:53.59 | Ackis | calgary is 3 hours away then :P |
| 15:54.09 | Lunessa | Station |
| 15:54.29 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/extend-stay.asp |
| 15:54.34 | |Jelly| | oh noes! run away! |
| 15:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't say a thing about leaving and coming back. |
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| 15:54.54 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: I still really cant just drive there. Wifes at work, has all das monays. |
| 15:55.04 | AbsolutRayne | Ill email my Immigration Lawyer. |
| 15:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:55.16 | Ackis | are you in like sherwood park or st albert or something? |
| 15:55.16 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, always recommended, that's what the laywers live for! |
| 15:55.37 | AbsolutRayne | Im in a wee lil town called Millet, its outside of Leduc |
| 15:55.38 | Wobin | You could always go to the dutch embassy in Edmonton and fake it =) |
| 15:55.51 | Lunessa | Lawyers - most people play one on the internet. |
| 15:56.11 | Ackis | ahh ok I know that town |
| 15:56.20 | Ackis | I'm in edmonton if you didn't know :P |
| 15:56.39 | Ackis | shit if you're in millet, calgary would be closer to 2 hours away ;) |
| 15:56.53 | AbsolutRayne | Actually, I didnt know :P |
| 15:57.02 | nicoli_s | damn canucks |
| 15:57.05 | AbsolutRayne | Just straight down the 2 to Calgary then I take it? |
| 15:57.10 | Ackis | yes |
| 15:57.15 | AbsolutRayne | Hrm |
| 15:57.32 | AbsolutRayne | Ill wait for my Loy-ah to email me back |
| 15:57.33 | Ackis | but I don't know why you'd want to talk to the yanks |
| 15:57.49 | AbsolutRayne | Because im a Yank, and I understand them! :B |
| 15:57.59 | Ackis | http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/contacts/index.asp |
| 15:58.06 | Ackis | yah but you want to talk to canucks |
| 15:58.30 | AbsolutRayne | brb probably going to DC |
| 15:58.52 | AbsolutRayne | But yeah |
| 15:58.58 | AbsolutRayne | I love it here, bloody beautiful |
| 15:59.10 | Ackis | it stopped snowing so that's cool |
| 15:59.15 | AbsolutRayne | haha |
| 15:59.25 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah, I remember that, what was it 2 weeks ago? |
| 15:59.29 | Ackis | yup |
| 15:59.43 | AbsolutRayne | my poor car doesnt like the weather :( |
| 15:59.50 | Ackis | pfft |
| 15:59.57 | Ackis | get used to it boy |
| 15:59.58 | AbsolutRayne | Well |
| 15:59.59 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:00.01 | AbsolutRayne | She doesnt do well in the snow |
| 16:00.05 | AbsolutRayne | Sits low in the front |
| 16:00.13 | Ackis | btw I live on the east end of edmonton, pretty much in sherwood park |
| 16:00.36 | AbsolutRayne | Yay all lines are busy |
| 16:00.53 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:01.11 | AbsolutRayne | Good thing I have nothing to do til 4:30 :P |
| 16:02.11 | AbsolutRayne | Wow, my Lawyer got back to me in less than an hour |
| 16:02.13 | AbsolutRayne | This is a first |
| 16:02.14 | AbsolutRayne | rofl |
| 16:02.41 | AbsolutRayne | Ok there apparently isnt a Minimum time I have to stay out. Cool. |
| 16:02.46 | Ackis | o rly? |
| 16:02.47 | mikma | absolutrayne: have you done something evil? |
| 16:03.08 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: I was a baddy in the start of a Robin Hood movie. I burned a Village down |
| 16:03.18 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: There is no minimum time that you have to remain outside of Canada before you can re-enter. Once you re-enter, you will receive another 6 months of implied status. Citizenship and Immigration prefers that you extend your status by applying for it however, if you have to leave the country, there is no law that prevents you from doing this. |
| 16:03.20 | mikma | which robin hood -movie? |
| 16:03.25 | AbsolutRayne | Men in Tights! |
| 16:03.31 | mikma | oh, that one, cool |
| 16:03.42 | AbsolutRayne | Piss on you, Mel Brookes! |
| 16:03.43 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: damn |
| 16:04.10 | AbsolutRayne | I want to watch that movie now :( |
| 16:04.14 | AbsolutRayne | doesnt own it |
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| 16:04.59 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: Do you own a place on the east end, or are you renting? |
| 16:05.06 | Ackis | own |
| 16:05.12 | AbsolutRayne | Oh, neat :) |
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| 16:05.19 | Ackis | want to move however |
| 16:05.32 | AbsolutRayne | Citys pretty expensive, isnt it? |
| 16:05.50 | AbsolutRayne | I remember when we were just renting, our Rent went from 995, to 1195, to 1295 in like a years time :/ |
| 16:05.59 | Ackis | market is going down because of economy |
| 16:06.03 | mikma | absolutrayne: men in tights came from tv here some time ago, got it saved in digibox :D |
| 16:06.15 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: Lucky! |
| 16:06.33 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: It cant be nearly as bad as the US though |
| 16:06.41 | AbsolutRayne | Even so, where would you move to. O_o |
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| 16:06.53 | Ackis | nope, we're in a townhouse condo, want a real house |
| 16:06.54 | Mats | ... |
| 16:07.06 | AbsolutRayne | Ah ok |
| 16:07.09 | Mats | The economy in the US |
| 16:07.11 | Mats | Isn't bad at all |
| 16:07.14 | AbsolutRayne | Move to Leduc! :P |
| 16:07.17 | Mats | Compared to Europe for instance. |
| 16:07.19 | Ackis | lol |
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| 16:07.32 | |pez| | Mats: That probably depends on where in Europe you are. :P |
| 16:07.34 | mikma | absolutrayne: like they said at the stard of men in tights.. their village gets burned down in every robin hood movie ;D |
| 16:07.38 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 16:07.38 | Mats | Well |
| 16:07.41 | Mats | On average, really |
| 16:07.46 | AbsolutRayne | Mats: Granted, but a loss of 3,500 jobs / month is awful. Period. |
| 16:07.57 | Mats | Yeah |
| 16:07.58 | Mats | No doubt about that |
| 16:08.05 | Mats | But, it could be a fair bit worse. |
| 16:08.09 | zenzelezz | there are too many countries in Europe to speak of "on average" |
| 16:08.15 | Mats | No. |
| 16:08.15 | zenzelezz | if you limit it to the EU, then maybe |
| 16:08.24 | Mats | Oh yes, the EU. |
| 16:08.34 | Mats | I was talking about that ;p |
| 16:08.42 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: Honestly, once im working for awhile and we save some $, well be living in Leduc. I dont want to live out here in the middle of Nowhere :P |
| 16:08.43 | zenzelezz | ok, then I might agree |
| 16:08.54 | AbsolutRayne | Its nice and quiet, sure, but so expensive |
| 16:09.06 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: oh I had an uncle who lived there, it was nice, but too far away from where I work (downtown edmonton |
| 16:09.07 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: right now you're saving money by skipping apostrophes? |
| 16:09.38 | zenzelezz | looks like my funny failed |
| 16:09.43 | AbsolutRayne | zenzelezz: They charge per hour. Its quite costly. |
| 16:09.43 | Ackis | yes it did |
| 16:09.57 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: http://pastey.net/114982 |
| 16:10.11 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: Teh wife works in Leduc. Its about 30-45 mins Round trip. Real killer on Gas |
| 16:10.33 | Ackis | takes me 30 mins to get to work 1-way already |
| 16:11.01 | Mats | ;o |
| 16:11.04 | Mats | Go by train |
| 16:11.06 | Mats | or by bus. |
| 16:11.12 | Ackis | can't do either |
| 16:11.16 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: Whats with everyone in such a rush on the highways though O_o |
| 16:11.33 | AbsolutRayne | one thing ive noticed is if im not going at least 20 over the Limit, im getting tailgated / passed |
| 16:11.35 | AbsolutRayne | lol |
| 16:11.37 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: highway 2 is boring as hell :P between here and calgary there's like 1 turn :P I go 130-140 on it lol |
| 16:11.54 | AbsolutRayne | Im talking like the side roads, like 2a :P |
| 16:12.05 | AbsolutRayne | Even in Leduc people are doing like 70 in a 50 O_o |
| 16:12.06 | Ackis | ah never driven them |
| 16:12.44 | Ackis | so the gf gets up at like 4 am |
| 16:12.48 | Ackis | starts taking a shit |
| 16:12.56 | Ackis | and while she's pooping she throws up in the bathtub |
| 16:13.02 | Ackis | now she's in extreme pain |
| 16:13.06 | AbsolutRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904299401&sid=1 for anyone that needs a good laugh, give that a read. |
| 16:13.08 | Lunessa | "I must have killed more men than Cecil B. deMill. " |
| 16:13.08 | Ackis | I just gave her drugs and she's sleeping |
| 16:13.20 | Ackis | but man, pooping and puking at the same time... how epic is that? |
| 16:13.21 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: Sounds like teh flu |
| 16:13.48 | |pez| | Ackis: I've done that, it's not really all that awesome. |
| 16:13.58 | Ackis | i think it'd be wicked |
| 16:14.09 | Mats | .... |
| 16:14.24 | zenzelezz | and they wonder why people find Canadians odd |
| 16:14.39 | AbsolutRayne | Feels good man |
| 16:14.44 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, has she not already HAD the flu? |
| 16:14.57 | Ackis | yes |
| 16:15.01 | Ackis | food poisoning I think |
| 16:15.03 | zenzelezz | maybe she's just turning allergic to him |
| 16:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | Your doctor, you calls it. |
| 16:15.08 | Ackis | good point |
| 16:15.19 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: did, he's booked up today, I told her to take drugs and sleep |
| 16:15.21 | AbsolutRayne | That sounds more Logical, zenzelezz |
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| 16:15.35 | AbsolutRayne | Ive read WebMD, thats probably what it is, Ackis. Sorry bud |
| 16:15.45 | Ackis | flu or allergic to me? |
| 16:15.55 | AbsolutRayne | Allergic to you |
| 16:15.57 | Ackis | damn |
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| 16:16.03 | AbsolutRayne | Good thing is, they make pills for it |
| 16:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Tomorrow is a good day to visit him. |
| 16:16.10 | AbsolutRayne | Just slip one in her tea |
| 16:16.13 | Ackis | last time she was this sick I farted on her head hahaha |
| 16:16.31 | Lunessa | There are some nasty flu strains that will cause ejection from both ends Ackis. It's horrible not only for the ill, but for the caretaker who has to clean it all up. |
| 16:16.40 | zenzelezz | Ackis: you're quite the catch, aren't you |
| 16:16.42 | AbsolutRayne | Sounds like a loving relationship :P |
| 16:16.57 | Ackis | she's resting now, if she's not better when she wakes up, I'll take her to the docs |
| 16:16.57 | AbsolutRayne | Oh my god I love this song |
| 16:17.55 | AbsolutRayne | Good thing im home alone |
| 16:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis is mostly good to his lady, or I mostly kick him. :) |
| 16:17.57 | AbsolutRayne | Music be blarin |
| 16:18.12 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I treat her like a bloody princess :P |
| 16:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | Except for the farts! But I think you were sick too, no? |
| 16:18.36 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy has a flying kick that could kill a cow. |
| 16:18.38 | zenzelezz | he clearly is |
| 16:18.42 | AbsolutRayne | She focuses all her Chi in her foot |
| 16:18.48 | AbsolutRayne | Srs bsnss |
| 16:19.09 | |Jelly| | Moving my computer. Be back in a little bit! Have fun storming the castle(s)! |
| 16:19.15 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I have a lot of stomach issues |
| 16:20.22 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: you still using Iced? |
| 16:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | I am, dear. Minion updated addons without a problem. |
| 16:21.18 | AbsolutRayne | brb Dogs want out |
| 16:22.54 | End | oops |
| 16:22.59 | End | grep made a 42 GB file |
| 16:23.04 | End | or rather |
| 16:23.28 | End | 42 GB of data was piped to a file |
| 16:23.53 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: awesome |
| 16:24.12 | AbsolutRayne | I think im going to switch back to Lite, though |
| 16:24.39 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! :) |
| 16:25.17 | AbsolutRayne | Not sure |
| 16:25.26 | AbsolutRayne | I think Iced still needs something though |
| 16:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | What could be missing? |
| 16:26.03 | AbsolutRayne | Not sure |
| 16:27.11 | AbsolutRayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.27 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 16:27.35 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: do you have Geddon's? |
| 16:27.45 | AbsolutRayne | No :( |
| 16:28.06 | zenzelezz | hope you have someone who can help you farm him then |
| 16:28.14 | zenzelezz | he turned out not to be a pushover |
| 16:28.25 | AbsolutRayne | Oh trust me, Im farming him til I get it |
| 16:28.26 | AbsolutRayne | :P |
| 16:28.28 | AbsolutRayne | Cant solo him though |
| 16:28.48 | zenzelezz | I stopped trying since I hate asking for help |
| 16:28.53 | zenzelezz | so if I can't solo it, I skip it |
| 16:29.13 | AbsolutRayne | Garr is actually the only Boss in there I can solo |
| 16:29.18 | Lopeppeppy | Same for me for questing, except when Lunessa is awake and I get him killed! |
| 16:29.19 | AbsolutRayne | every other one I need a healer, or a small group |
| 16:29.41 | AbsolutRayne | 5 manning Majordomo is fun |
| 16:30.21 | Lunessa | Haha... So many alternatives to chose from now Peppy. Mage and Priest are now 80 and the lawlollock is now almost 75. |
| 16:30.49 | AbsolutRayne | Im leveling my Priest atm |
| 16:30.55 | AbsolutRayne | level 24, and almost 100 SP |
| 16:30.59 | AbsolutRayne | So awesome |
| 16:31.01 | AbsolutRayne | lol |
| 16:31.24 | zenzelezz | man, I hate these Nesingwary quests, even if they have had their kill counts reduced |
| 16:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | Pikachu, I choose you!! |
| 16:32.40 | nicoli_s | they have a bunch of those nesingwary quests in lk don't they? i just remember all the tbc ones |
| 16:32.54 | zenzelezz | the LK ones aren't as bad |
| 16:33.20 | zenzelezz | but still... killing stuff just for killing isn't my kind of quest, I just get bored. If it's for some item, it's somehow okay |
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| 16:33.58 | AbsolutRayne | The LK ones are nice |
| 16:34.14 | Lopeppeppy | Less running around after various types. |
| 16:34.17 | AbsolutRayne | the BC ones annoyed me, Nagrand felt like such a huge zone |
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| 16:35.39 | AbsolutRayne | Oh and the LK final quest was actually fun, compared to the others to just kill one mob, you actually had fun with that Dragon in Shol |
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| 16:38.36 | AbsolutRayne | So im going to place bets on how mad my Guild is going to be when I show up with Dual spec, and just absolutely awful gear |
| 16:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 16:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | What do they expect for your secondary spec, that you'll be instantly as good as your main spec? |
| 16:39.21 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 16:39.48 | AbsolutRayne | They expect it to be better, or so thats how their attitude seems |
| 16:39.56 | AbsolutRayne | Im tired of being replaced for fights that I need shit off of |
| 16:40.04 | AbsolutRayne | So, paraphrase, Blow me. |
| 16:40.13 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly |
| 16:40.42 | Lopeppeppy | They can expect you to do some heroics, but your secondary gear is never going to be as good as your primary gear until they let you get raid loot for it. |
| 16:41.51 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: horde or alliance? |
| 16:43.06 | Lunessa | Does anyone know the names of the returns for GetMouseButtonClicked() ? |
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| 16:43.25 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: horde or alliance? |
| 16:43.31 | AbsolutRayne_ | Ackis: Alliance |
| 16:43.33 | durcyn | Lunessa: 'button' |
| 16:43.33 | AbsolutRayne_ | Sorry |
| 16:43.36 | AbsolutRayne_ | Yay now theres 2 of me in here! |
| 16:43.40 | Ackis | ewww |
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| 16:44.49 | AbsolutRayne_ | Crap I didnt farm enough Ore |
| 16:44.52 | AbsolutRayne_ | Oh well |
| 16:44.53 | Lunessa | bah - is it LEFT, RIGHT, MIDDLE? Or is it a number as a string? |
| 16:45.05 | Lunessa | (I can't test, I'm at work.) |
| 16:45.07 | Spellbinder | oh that sentence made me want to play wow |
| 16:45.10 | durcyn | RightButton/LeftButton/etc, iirc |
| 16:45.19 | Spellbinder | <AbsolutRayne_> Crap I didnt farm enough Ore <---- this one |
| 16:45.23 | durcyn | i don't have a client handy either |
| 16:45.36 | Spellbinder | what client? |
| 16:45.42 | durcyn | wow client, of course. |
| 16:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | What ore, AbsolutRayne_? |
| 16:46.01 | AbsolutRayne_ | Saronite |
| 16:46.14 | Lunessa | Never mind, I found them elsewhere. |
| 16:46.44 | AbsolutRayne_ | Are the Valor Cloak and Neck any good for an Arms warrior? |
| 16:46.58 | AbsolutRayne_ | Doubtful, but I literally have nothing in those slots atm. |
| 16:47.30 | nicoli_s | anyone in here if the regex codes for matching alphabetical chars will match korean ones? |
| 16:48.11 | theorbtwo | I still have two empty trinket slots and no glyphs. |
| 16:48.13 | Shirik | in Lua? probably not |
| 16:48.20 | Shirik | Lua doesn't understand multibyte characters |
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| 16:48.52 | nicoli_s | in .net |
| 16:49.01 | Lopeppeppy | Shakespeare like regex too. |
| 16:51.24 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:54.04 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn, peoples! Must meet with many sheeples! |
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| 16:55.40 | tekkub | there's a serious issue with the minion that needs to be resolved before it goes un-beta |
| 16:55.59 | Shadowed | Stanzilla: will look into that |
| 16:56.10 | Shirik | is this supposed to be unexpected, tekkub ? |
| 16:56.19 | Shadowed | Stanzilla how did you manage to do that |
| 16:56.26 | tekkub | Shirik: it needs to be renamed to the minionion |
| 16:56.34 | Shadowed | seconded |
| 16:56.49 | Osagasu | Yes, and the issue is when I tell it to download addons it doesn't tell me "Yes, Mastah" |
| 16:58.03 | tekkub | Shirik: it doesn't create start menu entries? |
| 16:58.46 | tekkub | oh it put it on the desktop BAD MONKEY |
| 16:59.18 | alestane | SEE> 05-27-09 12:57:15.996 - Module 'mmoiwow.jar' could not be installed: Unresolved constraint in bundle 1: package; (&(package=org.apache.commons.httpclient.params)(version>=0.0.0)) |
| 16:59.18 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.20 | tekkub | first rule of installing on windows, don't put an icon on the desktop unless you give an option not to, the start menu is where things belong |
| 16:59.43 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 16:59.46 | End | oh wait |
| 16:59.54 | End | it's putting the short cut on the desktop? |
| 16:59.58 | End | no wonder I couldn't find it |
| 17:00.06 | tekkub | also offer to put one in the quicklaunch |
| 17:00.12 | tekkub | see! |
| 17:00.18 | End | I just want one in the start menu |
| 17:00.45 | End | I was starting it up by hand, and I was thinking of posting a bug/feature report |
| 17:01.51 | tekkub | yea I just want shit in the start menu too, so I uncheck the desktop/quicklaunch when they're available, and bitch if they're not |
| 17:03.35 | Osagasu | Its just not opening for me, so meh |
| 17:05.43 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: I dunno, I had some more SetFormattedText() errors but I forgot to paste them :( |
| 17:05.57 | Shadowed | I'm not really sure how you managed to cause that error |
| 17:06.00 | Shadowed | can you duplicate it, or one time thing |
| 17:07.36 | Stanzilla | it was one time |
| 17:07.47 | Stanzilla | I'll tell you when I get it again |
| 17:08.12 | Shadowed | kk |
| 17:08.32 | Osagasu | There we go, silly me forgot to update java |
| 17:08.34 | Shadowed | I've never had that error in like, 2 years of using that code, so not sure how you caused that :p |
| 17:09.09 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: found it http://pastey.net/114983 |
| 17:10.34 | Shadowed | that was the same match? |
| 17:10.35 | Shadowed | or separate |
| 17:10.56 | Shadowed | if it was the same match, then the second error is related to the first |
| 17:11.28 | nicoli_s | man i am ashamed of this shitty regex i created, but its the only thing i could get to work |
| 17:11.29 | nicoli_s | <a.*?>(<font.*?>)?(<strong.*?>)?(.*?)(</font>)?(</strong>)?(</font>)?</a> |
| 17:13.12 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: I think it was the same, not sure :/ |
| 17:13.49 | Shadowed | I'd imagine it was |
| 17:14.00 | Shadowed | were you lagging or something maybe? |
| 17:14.23 | Stanzilla | not really, no |
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| 17:15.24 | Shadowed | yea not sure how you'd manage to cause that |
| 17:15.33 | Shadowed | Gladius is using the same method, so grats on finding an odd error I guess? :p |
| 17:16.50 | tekkub | Shirik: aside from the shortcut on the desktop and not in the start menu crap... the minionion works great |
| 17:16.55 | Stanzilla | :> |
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| 17:17.38 | nicoli_s | i really didnt like how when you selected to install something, it doesnt install it till you update it |
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| 17:21.56 | AbsolutRayne_ | FLASH! |
| 17:21.59 | AbsolutRayne_ | AAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 17:25.22 | Ackis | i just stabbed myself in the eye with a knife and it hurts |
| 17:26.10 | Fisker- | i see |
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| 17:30.45 | Mats | ... LM |
| 17:30.49 | Mats | :< |
| 17:30.57 | Mats | 60% CPU usage on Java, nice. |
| 17:37.23 | haste | 1930.57| [ Mats] Java, nice. |
| 17:37.27 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.38 | Mats | Java is awesome, indeed. |
| 17:38.52 | foxlit | "Green (Items in this filter definitely belong in this bag); Red (Items in this filter definitely don't belong in this bag); White ("I don't care") |
| 17:38.52 | foxlit | You can combine the filters to suit your needs. But keep in mind that red filters will always overrule green filters. Often, this is intuitive, but as always, there are exceptions." |
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| 17:39.42 | foxlit | That so didn't make sense the first... or the fifth time. |
| 17:41.28 | Mats | .. |
| 17:41.33 | Mats | what happens when you use I dont care? |
| 17:42.02 | foxlit | I've now settled on a "Yes; Never; No" interpretation. |
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| 17:49.01 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5270864/does-this-physics-tattoo-make-this-man-the-biggest-nerd-on-earth-or-hottest-geek-alive |
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| 17:51.57 | tekkub | Shirik: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3570156763/ :P~~~~~ |
| 17:52.20 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 17:52.22 | Mats | LOL |
| 17:53.38 | zenzelezz | tekkub uses postgres? |
| 17:53.46 | tekkub | ya, work |
| 17:53.47 | Shadowed | tekkub |
| 17:53.48 | Shadowed | why a cat |
| 17:53.52 | Shadowed | is confused |
| 17:54.07 | tekkub | because I'm too lazy to change it to some non-default |
| 17:54.11 | tekkub | I never see it anyway |
| 17:54.25 | tekkub | and it's the only good default one |
| 17:54.31 | Mats | tekkub uses vista? :< |
| 17:54.42 | tekkub | I have a mini too |
| 17:54.51 | tekkub | the windows box is mostly just wow |
| 17:55.05 | zenzelezz | <tekkub> I have a mini too <-- topic |
| 17:56.25 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i prefer pssst on LDB |
| 17:56.56 | Mats | pssst? |
| 17:57.34 | mikma | jnwhiteh: mmkay, then i'll let it be :) |
| 17:57.47 | jnwhiteh | i think perhaps font should be smaller |
| 17:57.55 | jnwhiteh | but other than that i like it |
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| 17:58.39 | tekkub | WTB MSBT rewritten for the new animatification system |
| 17:59.28 | jnwhiteh | tekkub: word |
| 17:59.33 | jnwhiteh | would be amazing |
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| 18:00.33 | mikma | lol, tekSBT |
| 18:00.34 | tekkub | granted, I'm only using it for cooldowns and proc notices now |
| 18:00.46 | tekkub | maybe I'll rip that shit out |
| 18:00.58 | mikma | please do |
| 18:01.02 | mikma | i'd use that version instead |
| 18:01.26 | mikma | tekkub: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_052609_163305.jpg :D |
| 18:01.36 | mikma | well, http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_052609_000712.jpg |
| 18:01.38 | mikma | that one is better |
| 18:03.14 | tekkub | the Hallowed wut |
| 18:03.17 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/589/ - calling a cab means cutting into beer money. Which is UNACCEPTABLE. |
| 18:04.10 | Mats | :< |
| 18:04.21 | Mats | I should really get myself a proper UI |
| 18:04.23 | foxlit | "And I can't ride in a car with the wolf because he'll eat my goat" |
| 18:04.29 | foxlit | And you quote the cab line? :) |
| 18:07.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ~ping |
| 18:07.45 | purl | ~pong |
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| 18:08.15 | NightHawkTheSane | odd.. |
| 18:10.23 | Lunessa | foxlit: That's a reference to all those puzzles about getting multiple people across the river. |
| 18:10.42 | Lunessa | And I really want a beer right now. |
| 18:10.43 | zenzelezz | is again reminded of The Office |
| 18:10.46 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, is the fact that the list doest resort itself alphabeticly after adding a new addon a bug or feature request? |
| 18:10.46 | foxlit | I'll rephrae my last line |
| 18:10.57 | foxlit | And you quote the *cab* line?! |
| 18:11.15 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.25 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, so go get a beer? |
| 18:13.39 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: If only I could. If only I could. |
| 18:13.54 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i bet you can...you choose not to |
| 18:14.05 | Lunessa | I chose to remain employed. |
| 18:15.07 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, you know, i have never read a contract that spicificly denys drinking on the job |
| 18:15.49 | Lunessa | It is in my employee handbook. I work for the state, and they have manuals for everything. |
| 18:16.07 | Thunder_Child | ya, the state does have something for everything |
| 18:18.05 | foxlit | I demand a logical puzzle where the cabbage would eat the goat. |
| 18:19.15 | Lunessa | foxlit: Sounds like "Little Shop of Horrors" |
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| 18:26.34 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw16709.jpg << still awesome |
| 18:29.15 | Thunder_Child | someone likes TF2 way too much |
| 18:30.03 | Thunder_Child | and 'HURD'? |
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| 18:30.54 | durcyn | foxlit: oh. my. god. |
| 18:30.58 | Kaso | Thats pretty cool |
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| 18:33.23 | Dashkal | Old news is old, I know, but Woot! Algalon video. |
| 18:33.28 | Thunder_Child | they need to make another homeworld game |
| 18:33.39 | foxlit | has the dalaran event? |
| 18:33.43 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: you obviously mean Battlezone |
| 18:34.33 | Thunder_Child | durcyn. i obviously mean the only RTS space game that used 3 axis well |
| 18:36.04 | durcyn | foxlit: i must be blind, what's the name of that one? |
| 18:36.24 | foxlit | durcyn: mhm? |
| 18:36.37 | durcyn | foxlit: the tf2 score screen addon |
| 18:36.44 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10293-TFScoreboard.html |
| 18:36.53 | durcyn | thank you sir |
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| 18:59.40 | NeoTron | Dashkal: always nice to steal some thunder from Ensidia |
| 19:02.15 | Industrial | crap I forgot, are toc slashes forward or backwardslashes? |
| 19:02.35 | Industrial | backslashes it seems |
| 19:03.18 | durcyn | toc is windows paths always |
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| 19:05.46 | NeoTron | of course |
| 19:05.58 | NeoTron | this/is/a/valid/windows/path/too.lua |
| 19:06.13 | NeoTron | just saying |
| 19:06.42 | mikma | fook/yu |
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| 19:25.16 | kd3 | erm... what's up with the minion download page? |
| 19:25.35 | kd3 | onClick="javascript: pageTracker._trackPageview('/download/minion');" doesn't seem to be doing much |
| 19:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | What is it supposed to do for you? |
| 19:26.30 | kd3 | get the webstart applet thingy |
| 19:27.04 | nevcairiel | you're right, it worked like 2 hours ago |
| 19:27.09 | nevcairiel | someone must've taken it offline |
| 19:27.44 | nevcairiel | it was http://minion.mmoui.com/minion.jnlp anyway |
| 19:33.13 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 19:33.28 | kd3 | yay, it's fixed |
| 19:33.43 | kd3 | spams F5 some more |
| 19:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, the minion bugtracker is flooded |
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| 19:35.46 | Mats | With? |
| 19:35.55 | Mats | Could you link me to it? |
| 19:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lots of varied things |
| 19:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | mmoui.com/bugs |
| 19:37.55 | Mats | ;o |
| 19:39.33 | kd3 | oh, whoever's messing with the minion page... the 'download disabled' button still works >.> |
| 19:46.19 | Mats | How's Minion getting the folder data? |
| 19:46.30 | Mats | Like, where WoW is. |
| 19:46.35 | nicoli_s | you have to tell it |
| 19:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | You tell it. |
| 19:46.45 | Mats | Oh yes, of course. |
| 19:51.26 | NeoTron | minion should auto-find the folder at least in Windows :P |
| 19:51.42 | Mats | It doesn't for me ;p |
| 19:51.45 | NeoTron | nono |
| 19:51.49 | NeoTron | I meant it could do it |
| 19:51.51 | NeoTron | not that it does it |
| 19:51.52 | Mats | Oh. |
| 19:51.53 | Mats | Yes. |
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| 19:59.26 | nicoli_s | wow people already almost soloing ulduar content, gj blizz |
| 19:59.43 | Mats | soloing? |
| 19:59.48 | Mats | what |
| 19:59.52 | End | just flame leviathan |
| 19:59.59 | nicoli_s | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=58664.0 |
| 20:00.52 | Fisker- | how is that even surprising? |
| 20:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | How do you even believe it? |
| 20:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | And who cares, really? |
| 20:01.46 | End | I still can't believe it's not butter. |
| 20:01.50 | NeoTron | I assume FL doesn't have an enrage timer |
| 20:02.03 | NeoTron | which makes soloing it (or rather duoing it) much more possible |
| 20:02.06 | End | not a hard enrage |
| 20:02.19 | End | he speeds up as the fight progresses though |
| 20:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: you familiar with the common menu system? ~/.local/share/applications and such? |
| 20:02.33 | kd3 | somewhat |
| 20:02.34 | End | (idea being that he'll become unkitable) |
| 20:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | trying to get this icon to work |
| 20:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I converted it to xpm, stuck it in ~/.local/share/icons, and then in the .desktop file stuck the name in there |
| 20:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | No icon |
| 20:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | oh the path needs to be absolute, blah |
| 20:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | never mind |
| 20:06.41 | NeoTron | End: right but you burn down the towers to rese tthe speed |
| 20:07.23 | End | oh, I guess it does, doesn't it |
| 20:08.05 | NeoTron | and I do believe they did burn towers down |
| 20:08.05 | End | I don't think there's any other sort of enrage timer though |
| 20:08.12 | End | yeah they did at least once |
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| 20:08.19 | End | maybe twice, I dunno |
| 20:08.32 | End | I didn't watch the whole video |
| 20:08.34 | durcyn | i could see one demolisher soloing it on 10-man without any watcher towers up |
| 20:08.47 | durcyn | a full stack of pyrite is insane dps |
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| 20:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: bug #96, mind trying that manually? |
| 20:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | (Replace the logout/login with a run of kbuildsyscoca4) |
| 20:16.24 | kd3 | looks like it's working for me |
| 20:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yey, I didn't break anything terribly then |
| 20:20.07 | Dashkal | "TLDR: Chill." --GC If I actually posted on any fourms, that'd be my new sig |
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| 20:24.52 | Mats | :( |
| 20:24.56 | Mats | Is the source code available? |
| 20:24.59 | Mats | For Minion? |
| 20:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 20:25.14 | Mats | Reading JVM code is doable, thankfully |
| 20:25.21 | Mats | But, not really great :< |
| 20:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | why? |
| 20:25.31 | Mats | Bugs? |
| 20:25.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 20:25.44 | Mats | I'm terribly bored, and want to help out |
| 20:25.48 | Mats | And the bugs aren't hard at all |
| 20:26.20 | kd3 | meh. you should just use `xdg-desktop-menu install` instead of manually dropping stuff in the directories, though |
| 20:26.46 | ScytheBlade1 | oh? |
| 20:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 20:27.01 | nicoli_s | if you want to help out mats, just got Reverse engineer the curse client in IDA and submit some assembly patches :P |
| 20:27.13 | Mats | Eh |
| 20:27.23 | Mats | Are you a developer of the curse client? |
| 20:27.32 | nicoli_s | no, but he is sitting right next to me |
| 20:27.33 | Mats | Since ther are some major exploits in there, if you reverse engineer it. |
| 20:27.36 | Mats | Like |
| 20:27.42 | Mats | I can Update All, without having a premium account. |
| 20:27.52 | Mats | And, UPX isn't any protection at all |
| 20:28.04 | nicoli_s | the UPX is to make the exe smaler |
| 20:28.08 | Mats | Oh. |
| 20:28.11 | Mats | Yeah, it saves 6MB |
| 20:28.16 | Mats | Was thinking about that too ;p |
| 20:28.34 | nicoli_s | saves us lots of bandwidth on cc patch day |
| 20:28.41 | Mats | Might be an idea to limit the amount of concurrent download threads on the server. ;o |
| 20:28.47 | Mats | Instead of on the client. |
| 20:28.59 | Dagmar | It takes 6Mb off? How large is the binary before that? |
| 20:29.11 | Dagmar | Might be time to throw out some debugging symbols. |
| 20:29.13 | nicoli_s | well the debug version is like 18 megs i think |
| 20:29.14 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: how do I get the .menu to work with that? |
| 20:29.26 | Mats | Yeah |
| 20:29.27 | kd3 | sec, I'll attach an updated .desktop in a sec |
| 20:29.31 | Mats | The unpacked UPX version is 7mb |
| 20:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 20:29.35 | Mats | And the packed is around 1mb |
| 20:29.53 | Mats | Well, 1.888 / 7.218 |
| 20:30.05 | Dagmar | I'm not saying UPX is bad, but ther'es probably something other than UPX that could be done to make that smaller before compression |
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| 20:30.22 | Dagmar | That's kind of a suspiciously high compression ratio for a binary file |
| 20:30.34 | nicoli_s | cuz it's full o keyloggers |
| 20:30.40 | nicoli_s | they compress well |
| 20:30.40 | Dagmar | I'm thinking it's probably full of nulls |
| 20:30.56 | Dagmar | ...or at least metric craptons of text stringe |
| 20:30.56 | foxlit | And those nulls are giant gaping holes |
| 20:31.04 | foxlit | GAPING HOLES, I say. |
| 20:31.19 | Dagmar | I'm not guessing blind here. I've got hundreds of binary packages I've made for Slackware |
| 20:31.31 | Dagmar | That's a _really_ high compression ratio for a binary |
| 20:31.47 | nicoli_s | well i got no clue which it is, dont have access to the source |
| 20:31.51 | foxlit | I'm sad: there was no Unskippable this week. |
| 20:31.54 | Mats | There's a huge amount of 0's. |
| 20:32.03 | Mats | mostly in .data |
| 20:32.37 | Mats | But, I'm unsure if my borked unpacker did that, or if the application is really like that |
| 20:33.07 | Dagmar | Your unpacker is unlikely to be silently repointing addresses |
| 20:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn! |
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| 20:33.22 | Mats | Dagmar ;p |
| 20:33.27 | Mats | It's from PE Explorer. |
| 20:33.31 | Mats | I wouldn't be amazed. |
| 20:33.34 | Dagmar | There's probably some checkboxes in the compile env that could stand to be beaten into submission |
| 20:34.52 | nicoli_s | btw, just had the CC dev build it un UPXed and it's 7.4 megs |
| 20:35.14 | Mats | 7.4? |
| 20:35.21 | Mats | .. what am I missing then. |
| 20:35.27 | Mats | I'm missing .4 megs.\ |
| 20:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: heh, all of these xdg-* commands are new. They have an icon installer, too |
| 20:35.55 | Dagmar | MiB to MB conversion possibly |
| 20:36.09 | Mats | Not really. |
| 20:36.22 | Mats | Oh, could be, actually |
| 20:36.23 | kd3 | ya, I'm setting all of that up too... >.> |
| 20:36.37 | Mats | 7.05MB = 7393820 byte.s |
| 20:36.39 | kd3 | the .menu file isn't even needed |
| 20:36.55 | Mats | What needs to be patched anyway, nicoli? |
| 20:36.57 | Dagmar | Mats: Which amusingly a lot of people would just call the second number "7.4" and call it a day |
| 20:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 20:37.07 | nicoli_s | i dunno mats, i was just kidding |
| 20:37.10 | Mats | :( |
| 20:37.20 | Dagmar | Mats: I don't think you're missing anything |
| 20:37.24 | Mats | Naw. |
| 20:37.56 | Mats | I really have to find myself some purpose in my sparetime |
| 20:37.56 | nicoli_s | plus this build has some new stuff, which might account for the diff |
| 20:38.10 | Mats | Ohhh, nightly builds! :, |
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| 20:39.55 | nicoli_s | well not nightly, we just do new builds when we need to test stuff |
| 20:41.15 | nicoli_s | the only new feature in this one is the ability to do manual pushes for profile updates |
| 20:41.23 | Fisker- | and that was the 3rd time i died |
| 20:41.27 | Mats | ah, profile updates |
| 20:41.31 | Mats | The only feature I don't use ;p |
| 20:41.56 | nicoli_s | well theres bugfixes too, but its the only new feature |
| 20:42.06 | nicoli_s | actually no, theres alos the ability to auto open your log file |
| 20:42.12 | Mats | What |
| 20:42.18 | Mats | There's a way to win a blizzcon ticket? |
| 20:42.39 | nicoli_s | yah, everyone is running blizzcon ticket contests atm |
| 20:42.40 | Mats | By.. using math? |
| 20:42.43 | Mats | Nice. |
| 20:42.46 | Mats | I should totally join |
| 20:42.48 | Mats | And get that ticket. |
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| 20:42.52 | Mats | .... |
| 20:42.54 | Mats | has to run in Lua |
| 20:43.01 | Mats | That fails. |
| 20:43.11 | Mats | Lua isn't any good for math :< |
| 20:43.26 | End | it looks like blizzard gave 3 tickets out to a lot of different sites |
| 20:43.39 | nicoli_s | i think all official fansites of a certain size got 3 tickets |
| 20:44.09 | Mats | Nice. |
| 20:44.33 | Kraps | Q: What do Alexander the Great and Kermit the Frog have in common? |
| 20:44.35 | Kraps | A: Their middle name. |
| 20:44.38 | Mats | You must be an author on either CurseForge or WowAce to participate. |
| 20:44.42 | Mats | What does that mean? |
| 20:44.46 | Mats | I have to be an addon author? |
| 20:45.01 | Dagmar | You also have to have the Yellow Stone of Durantia. |
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| 20:45.08 | Mats | Nice. |
| 20:45.23 | Mats | I have no clue what that is. |
| 20:45.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: shit. i have the blue stone of durantia, does that count? |
| 20:46.44 | Dagmar | Nope. |
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| 20:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: --size=64? The icon was 128x128 when I saw it |
| 20:48.06 | kd3 | read my last sentence |
| 20:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 20:48.14 | Kraps | anyone know a fantasy book called the pearl of (something) |
| 20:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 20:48.37 | Mats | Pearl of the Soul of the World? |
| 20:49.00 | Kraps | no... |
| 20:49.13 | Dashkal | quick google: http://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/Pearl-Anton.html |
| 20:49.14 | Mats | Then, no |
| 20:49.22 | Dagmar | Pearl of Great Price? |
| 20:49.33 | Kraps | Dashkal: wow |
| 20:49.38 | Dagmar | Yes, I went there. |
| 20:49.52 | Dashkal | Kraps: books fantasy "pearl of" |
| 20:49.52 | Mats | There are like |
| 20:49.55 | Mats | 500 pearl of |
| 20:50.03 | Mats | books |
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| 20:50.18 | Mats | "The pearl of Story Books" "The Pearl of Anjou and Other Poems" |
| 20:50.19 | Mats | :( |
| 20:50.21 | Dagmar | The Pearl of the Soul of the World |
| 20:50.28 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 20:50.30 | Mats | That's what I thought. |
| 20:50.31 | Dagmar | Nevermind already been tried |
| 20:50.41 | Mats | Yeah ;p |
| 20:50.43 | Dagmar | I can't believe no one called me out on the mormon crack |
| 20:50.45 | werebear | Apparently there is a lot of fantasies about pearls |
| 20:50.50 | Mats | Yesh. |
| 20:51.15 | Mats | The Pearl of Orr's Island? |
| 20:51.24 | Mats | The Pearl of the Greatest Price? |
| 20:51.34 | kneeki | So, I need to make a (i hope) simple application. I do not know what language to program it in yet, and I'd like a suggestion. :) |
| 20:51.47 | Mats | Java! |
| 20:51.47 | Dagmar | Perl. |
| 20:51.55 | Dashkal | So not enough information :p |
| 20:51.56 | Dashkal | Do it in asm |
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| 20:52.02 | kneeki | What I would like it to do, is every 5 minutes, ask me a yes or no question, and write the answer to a notepad |
| 20:52.05 | Mats | Oh |
| 20:52.12 | Dagmar | Perl or Visual Basic. |
| 20:52.17 | Mats | No |
| 20:52.18 | Mats | Not VB. |
| 20:52.22 | Dagmar | Oh come on |
| 20:52.22 | Mats | :( |
| 20:52.25 | Mats | No! |
| 20:52.27 | kneeki | It would store each answer, with the time, in the note pad, appending the file, so it becomes larger and larger |
| 20:52.30 | Mats | VB isn't even a programming language. |
| 20:52.33 | Mats | Go for C# <3 |
| 20:52.34 | kneeki | I've done a little with VB before |
| 20:52.37 | Dashkal | Quick and dirty? Any language you already know with a UI toolkit would do for that |
| 20:52.43 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 20:52.44 | Mats | So, C#! |
| 20:52.46 | Dagmar | You don't even need a UI to ask a question |
| 20:52.51 | kneeki | I only know Lua, XML, CSS, HTML, simple stuff |
| 20:52.57 | Arrowmaster | brainfuck |
| 20:52.57 | Mats | Well |
| 20:52.59 | Mats | Lua can do that |
| 20:53.20 | Mats | Not WoW-lua however, it's missing IO functions. |
| 20:53.24 | Mats | But, plain Lua can do that |
| 20:53.30 | Dashkal | lua could, but I say UI toolkit just because it's much friendlier. Does Lua yet have any decent bindings? |
| 20:53.39 | kneeki | hmm |
| 20:53.45 | Mats | Not really. |
| 20:53.49 | Arrowmaster | ruby |
| 20:53.50 | Dashkal | All you really need is a message box style call (mmm, JOptionPane) |
| 20:53.55 | kneeki | Dashkal: UI Toolkit = WYSIWYG? |
| 20:53.57 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 20:54.04 | Mats | JOptionPane.showMessageDialog() |
| 20:54.08 | durcyn | except WYSINWYG |
| 20:54.12 | kneeki | Mats: Java? |
| 20:54.15 | Mats | Yes. |
| 20:54.21 | Dashkal | kneeki: By UI toolkit I mean language bindings to build windows, menus, etc. Stuff that isn't in the console |
| 20:54.25 | kneeki | I've never written a java app before, sounds kinda fun |
| 20:54.30 | Mats | Yes. |
| 20:54.32 | Mats | Java is great. |
| 20:54.43 | kneeki | You can make a stand alone thing from java? |
| 20:54.46 | Dashkal | kneeki: A message dialog is dead simple in Java. Any C-style language experience at all? |
| 20:54.46 | kneeki | Sounds magical :D |
| 20:54.47 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 20:55.02 | kneeki | Dashkal: Nope, i dabbled very lightly here and there a few years back though |
| 20:55.09 | Kraps | yknow, i thought the sunwell, nordrasil and archimonde happened centuries before arthas |
| 20:55.15 | Mats | Kneeki. Stay at the higher levels! |
| 20:55.25 | Mats | The code with readable attributes |
| 20:55.28 | Mats | And proper functions <3 |
| 20:55.32 | kneeki | Ok |
| 20:55.39 | Mats | ... and sluggish VMs. |
| 20:55.39 | kneeki | So C or Java+Lua? |
| 20:55.54 | Dashkal | I'm fond of Java. It might be lower level than you're used to, though :p There's always Jython, Ruby, Groovy, Scala, etc for high level languages that run on the JVM (any of which gives you access to swing) |
| 20:55.56 | Mats | I'd go for Java, but that's just because I dislike C> |
| 20:55.58 | kneeki | Either sounds pretty fun. But wouldn't I need a compiler for C? |
| 20:56.14 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 20:56.22 | Mats | You would a compiler for Java too. |
| 20:56.25 | Mats | Well. |
| 20:56.26 | kneeki | Oh |
| 20:56.29 | Mats | It's not really a compiler :< |
| 20:56.29 | kd3 | ok, grr. got the app installed in the menus properly, now to figure out why it's no longer starting the minion |
| 20:56.32 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:56.34 | Dashkal | You need one for Java as well, but it's pretty easy to get ahold of (download the JDK, there, you have it) |
| 20:56.48 | Dagmar | C# is pretty easy to get as well |
| 20:56.52 | Mats | yeah. |
| 20:56.54 | kneeki | http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp ? |
| 20:56.55 | Mats | I'd recommend C#. |
| 20:56.57 | Dagmar | It's a shame the language causes sterility. |
| 20:57.06 | Mats | C# is at this point the language I use the most. |
| 20:57.11 | Mats | Well, for my work, mostly :< |
| 20:57.22 | Dashkal | I hear good things about C#, but I reject it on principal (I'm a M$ hater) |
| 20:57.26 | Mats | Spare-time programming is limited to Java nowadays. |
| 20:57.32 | Dagmar | Oh you don't need principles to hate it |
| 20:57.32 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.37 | Mats | I'm an MS lover. <3 |
| 20:57.42 | Dagmar | It's Visual Basic with strong data types glued on. |
| 20:57.44 | kd3 | poke that, see if you can get it to run now |
| 20:57.46 | Dashkal | Dagmar: I'd have to give it a real chance to hate it on its own merits :p |
| 20:57.48 | kneeki | Mats, I'd like to do Java then. As really, programming is much more of a hobby for me anyway =) |
| 20:57.49 | Mats | .. Dagmar |
| 20:57.56 | Dagmar | Just like Stitches, there's plenty to detest. |
| 20:57.59 | Mats | That's such a rude statement :< |
| 20:58.24 | Mats | It's like Java on drugs. |
| 20:58.41 | Dagmar | Mats: Hey, at least I didn't say "weilding a strap-on made of strong data types" |
| 20:59.02 | Dashkal | Feature wise C# and Java are pretty similar. The choice between them seems to be more or less whatever the dev you asks's experience is |
| 20:59.03 | Mats | What's wrong with it though. |
| 20:59.10 | Mats | Feature wise? |
| 20:59.18 | Dagmar | Well, we could start with that it's essentially warmed-over Visual Basic. |
| 20:59.30 | Mats | It has nothing to do with VB? |
| 20:59.33 | Dashkal | Dagmar: That's being unfair by my standards. |
| 20:59.44 | Dashkal | C# is much, MUCH cleaner |
| 20:59.49 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 20:59.52 | Dashkal | To the point where comparing the two is silly |
| 20:59.54 | kneeki | Which JDK should I be getting? http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp The JDK6 Update 13 with bundles? or just JDK 6 update 13? |
| 21:00.01 | Mats | JDK update 13 |
| 21:00.09 | kneeki | ok |
| 21:00.09 | Dashkal | kneeki: The basic one will do. Just 6u13 |
| 21:00.14 | Mats | This is painful to read! |
| 21:00.16 | Mats | :( |
| 21:00.20 | Mats | I'm going to sleep. |
| 21:00.20 | foxlit | you actually want jdk? |
| 21:00.33 | Mats | My microsoft-fanboyness is limiting me ;p |
| 21:00.37 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, scratch that. got it to work. refresh to see the updated desktop and sanity-check it to see if it works for you too |
| 21:01.01 | foxlit | (as opposed to jre) |
| 21:01.10 | Mats | JRE can't compile ;p |
| 21:01.15 | Mats | So it's a bit useless. |
| 21:01.34 | foxlit | I'm not reading the conversation far enough to figure out *what* you want it for |
| 21:01.39 | Dashkal | foxlit: kneeki is after the JDK. Trying to make a simple application that asks a y/n question once in awhile and logs the answer |
| 21:01.44 | Mats | ^ |
| 21:01.44 | foxlit | So I'm merely assuming it's to *run* things :) |
| 21:01.47 | kneeki | every 5 minutes =) |
| 21:01.53 | Mats | Anyway! |
| 21:01.55 | Mats | I'm going to sleep |
| 21:02.15 | foxlit | "are you sick of my application yet? y/n!" |
| 21:02.23 | foxlit | Have fun, in either case. |
| 21:02.24 | Mats | Good night all. |
| 21:02.30 | kneeki | gn'ite |
| 21:03.04 | nicoli_s | whats with all the .net hate? .net fucking rocks |
| 21:03.08 | kneeki | Anyone care to point me to a few hello world type examples for Java so I can get started? =) |
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| 21:03.36 | mikma | is there any ways of toggling pet skills on and off with macro? |
| 21:03.50 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.15 | mikma | does it require skill or slotname? |
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| 21:04.18 | kd3 | public class Test { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello world!"); }} |
| 21:04.40 | kd3 | javac Test.java |
| 21:04.46 | kd3 | poof, hi2u hello world in java |
| 21:04.58 | Dashkal | kneeki: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/index.html |
| 21:05.26 | kneeki | kd3: lol, I cant wait =) |
| 21:05.49 | Dashkal | I still hate that hello world example. |
| 21:06.43 | Dashkal | Granted it is the simpliest version. I just dislike that the first impression is always a simple static method. |
| 21:07.23 | kneeki | i wish 'ls' worked on windows |
| 21:07.27 | kneeki | I type that out of habit so damn often |
| 21:07.31 | kneeki | ls |
| 21:07.40 | kneeki | grr! I just did it here, instead of there |
| 21:07.42 | KarlKFI | i solved that problem |
| 21:07.54 | KarlKFI | by getting rid of windows |
| 21:08.15 | Lunessa | All we want to do is eat your brains! |
| 21:08.33 | kneeki | lol |
| 21:08.33 | Dashkal | We're not unreasonable. I mean, no-one's gonna eat your eyes. |
| 21:08.55 | Gnarfoz | kneeki: it's not like you can't just install ls |
| 21:08.58 | Lunessa | All we want to do is eat your brains! We're at an impasse here, maybe we could compromise? |
| 21:08.59 | kneeki | There is not a lot I like about windows, but when it comes to what I do most often, I really don't have any other choice =\ |
| 21:08.59 | Gnarfoz | or make an alias for ls -> dir |
| 21:09.15 | Dashkal | If you open up the doors, we'll all come inside and eat your brains! |
| 21:09.21 | kneeki | Gnarfoz: lol that's trixy! |
| 21:09.39 | Gnarfoz | it's also the most logical solution |
| 21:09.50 | Dashkal | eh, I'd be wondering why ls -l doesn't work |
| 21:10.06 | Gnarfoz | well, installing ls would solve that, too |
| 21:10.07 | kneeki | Swell |
| 21:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: having weird icon issues. sec |
| 21:10.16 | nicoli_s | man the new curse client looks awesome |
| 21:10.31 | kneeki | I installed the Java SDK and when I do a javac HellowWorldApp.java, javac is not reconized |
| 21:10.35 | KarlKFI | it's pretty decent |
| 21:10.50 | Dashkal | kneeki: you need to get javac on your PATH |
| 21:10.55 | nicoli_s | karl, i mean the new new curse client |
| 21:10.57 | kneeki | yup |
| 21:11.05 | KarlKFI | the download app or the web site? |
| 21:11.12 | nicoli_s | the download app |
| 21:11.17 | KarlKFI | yeah it's decent |
| 21:11.19 | KarlKFI | in better shape than Minnion atm |
| 21:11.28 | nicoli_s | well you havent see nthe new one yt |
| 21:11.47 | nicoli_s | it's way better than the current one |
| 21:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: wtf. It also keeps recreacreating ~/.config/menus/apps-merged/xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu as a blank file, which causes kbuildsyscoca4 to fail |
| 21:11.52 | kneeki | Should I just copy/paste the entire contents of 'C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_13\bin' to C:\Windows\System32? =p |
| 21:11.57 | kneeki | sounds exciting |
| 21:12.05 | KarlKFI | well then stop patting yourself on the back for the unreleased dev vers :P |
| 21:12.10 | kd3 | you don't need to run kbuildsyscoca4 after updating |
| 21:12.11 | Dashkal | kneeki: *gack* |
| 21:12.22 | Dashkal | Just add "C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_13\bin" to your PATH |
| 21:12.23 | kneeki | *gack* indeed |
| 21:12.25 | nicoli_s | im not patting myself on the back i had nothing to do with it |
| 21:12.31 | Dashkal | system properties |
| 21:12.34 | kd3 | xdg-desktop-menu should force update everything necessary to get it to show |
| 21:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | hm |
| 21:13.55 | kneeki | Dashkal: done ;) |
| 21:14.02 | Dashkal | javac working now? |
| 21:14.09 | kneeki | The first method would have had much more exhilerating results |
| 21:14.18 | kneeki | And no, it's not working =p |
| 21:14.27 | kneeki | unless I have to close cmd.exe |
| 21:14.28 | Dashkal | close and re-open your terminal |
| 21:14.30 | kneeki | and reopen it |
| 21:14.54 | kneeki | that did it |
| 21:14.58 | Dashkal | sweet |
| 21:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: two things. One, the Categories needs to be semicolon terminated, always. Second, you have "Game" when it should be "Games" |
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| 21:15.59 | ScytheBlade1 | more things... the 'path' is where it is executed, so the absolute path to the jar on the Exec isn't needed. just java -jar minion.jar |
| 21:16.18 | kd3 | I couldn't get it to exec using java -jar minion.jar |
| 21:16.25 | kd3 | and I'm pretty sure the spec calls it Game, not Games |
| 21:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | well without the s it doesn't show at all here |
| 21:16.44 | durcyn | should be javaws minion.jnlp |
| 21:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | durcyn: not here |
| 21:17.16 | kd3 | http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.0.html |
| 21:17.52 | Dagmar | Your mileage may vary based on local implementations of that. |
| 21:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | drastically, I'm sure |
| 21:18.04 | kneeki | hee |
| 21:18.09 | kneeki | it worked just fine =) |
| 21:18.10 | Dagmar | Very much so |
| 21:18.16 | kd3 | http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry |
| 21:18.22 | Dagmar | I've already spent a few hours untangling that with GNOME and KDE |
| 21:18.40 | Dashkal | wtb kde that properly uses hal to mount things *mutters* |
| 21:18.56 | Dagmar | ABout all you can do is adhere to the spec and cross your fingers that distro maintainers will ahve remembered to hook the actual spec and not their "cleaned up" versions of it |
| 21:19.07 | Dagmar | Dashkal: HAL is the right tool for the job. |
| 21:19.12 | Dashkal | I finally figured out what to do to make hal mount my flash drive with the correct option, only to discover kde ignores those options (gnome used them fine). |
| 21:19.25 | Dagmar | ...or at least the right tool for half of it to be sure. |
| 21:19.33 | Dashkal | HAL is fine, it's the UI layer above it |
| 21:19.48 | Dagmar | HAL's supposed to notify "whatever" through dbus |
| 21:19.49 | Dashkal | Though it could definitely use some command-line tools |
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| 21:19.59 | Dagmar | It's the other side of dbus where things get fun |
| 21:20.22 | Shirik | kd3 you are having issues? |
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| 21:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | weird. no matter what I do, the icon doesn't show when launched |
| 21:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's detected by the system in the right place |
| 21:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I can select it |
| 21:20.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But nothing *shows* it |
| 21:21.00 | Dashkal | Long story shortened: I wanted my usb thumbdrive mounted with a specific option (related to filenames). Found the way to tell HAL to do it (via its config files). When KDE auto-mounts the drive, those options get ignored. when GNOME automounts, it works. |
| 21:21.21 | Dashkal | I posted a ticket on launchpad. They should get to it in 2-3 years. (Not kidding, that was my response time on the last ticket I posted) |
| 21:21.24 | Dagmar | Aim for hammering on what's inside KDE that's doing mounting |
| 21:22.08 | Dashkal | I'm very much out of touch with C++. And I lack the interest to spend hours on this problem. |
| 21:23.20 | Dashkal | Not when the work-around is a simple mount -o remount command :p |
| 21:23.39 | Dagmar | Dashkal: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/New+Device+Notifier+with+Automount?content=91517 might illuminate some things |
| 21:24.29 | Dashkal | blinks |
| 21:24.40 | Dashkal | the description of that page gives me a pretty good idea what's wrong here. |
| 21:24.43 | Dashkal | So not touching that |
| 21:24.54 | Dashkal | KDE Uses HAL. It should use it properly, not embed mount options in a cpp file |
| 21:24.57 | kneeki | So, would this HellowWorldApp.class work on any OS? |
| 21:25.02 | kd3 | yes |
| 21:25.08 | kneeki | That's sex |
| 21:25.27 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Yeah it's looking like the KDE end of their automounting doesn't support configurable options |
| 21:25.29 | kd3 | though java as a whole is still far from its "Write Once Run Anywhere" advertising, simple stuff works everywhere |
| 21:25.41 | Dashkal | Java is reasonably OS-Agnostic. You'll run into some Mac issues (blame apple), but it more or less works everywhere. |
| 21:25.46 | Shirik | nothing will ever be write once run anywhere |
| 21:26.00 | Shirik | coughs something about renaming across file systems |
| 21:26.08 | kd3 | laughs |
| 21:26.27 | Dashkal | Shirik: and that right there is a good chunk of why I'm so pissed with KDE's defaults for mounting fat32 drives. |
| 21:26.40 | Dashkal | between java and git, I care about filename case damnit! |
| 21:27.20 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, http://wowi.pastey.net/114996. I still can't get it to exec the jar without calling it using its whole path |
| 21:27.45 | kd3 | the path line should be taking care of that, but... |
| 21:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: category list has to have a trialing semicolon |
| 21:27.52 | ScytheBlade1 | but I'll try that real quick |
| 21:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | launches great for me with a relative jar path |
| 21:28.51 | kd3 | grrs at xfce |
| 21:28.57 | ScytheBlade1 | kde4 here |
| 21:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | and the kbuild... is required for me too |
| 21:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | in any case, that path has to be somewhere |
| 21:29.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Might as well have it be in the exec for simplicity |
| 21:29.25 | kd3 | the hell, it shouldn't be. |
| 21:29.28 | kd3 | relogs to gnome |
| 21:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree, don't get me wrong |
| 21:29.48 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: I'm not so sure about it requiring a trailing semicolon actually |
| 21:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: kbuildsyscoca4 refuses to run if it isn't |
| 21:30.19 | Dagmar | ABout half the .desktop files here have it, the other half don't |
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| 21:31.26 | kd3 | launcher works as-written in gnome, so that's a good sign |
| 21:32.00 | Dagmar | All the examples at FDO show it that way but I can't find anything saying explicitly that each string is required to be terminated with a ; |
| 21:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | kbuild says it must |
| 21:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | the spec may not say, sure |
| 21:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | but as you said, ymmv |
| 21:33.42 | kd3 | grr... back to xfce |
| 21:34.00 | kd3 | I still can't believe gnome's wallpaper applet won't let me put a different pic on each screen |
| 21:34.20 | Dagmar | That's an X thing |
| 21:34.31 | Dagmar | ...and partly the way GNOME interfaces with X. |
| 21:34.54 | Dagmar | Believe me I'd rather it did allow me to put whatever on each screen's root window |
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| 21:35.16 | Dashkal | I miss Enlightenment. |
| 21:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | my icon still refuses to show in the menu |
| 21:35.36 | ScytheBlade1 | and in kmenuedit |
| 21:35.43 | Dagmar | aha |
| 21:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite showing on the file itself when viewed in konq |
| 21:36.04 | kd3 | did you xdg-icon-resource install it? |
| 21:36.08 | Dagmar | From http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s03.html "Some keys can have multiple values. In such a case, the value of the key is specified as a plural: for example, string(s). The multiple values should be separated by a semicolon, and the value of the key should have a semicolon as trailing character." |
| 21:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 21:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | it shows in the icon selector |
| 21:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (I had to set the size to the proper 128 though) |
| 21:36.41 | Dagmar | Did you update the icon cache? |
| 21:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | kbuildsyscoca4 does all of that and then some |
| 21:37.19 | Dagmar | I'll take your word for it |
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| 21:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | logs out and back in |
| 21:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | To be safe, what's the command for that? |
| 21:37.42 | Dagmar | I just know I've had a few people come to me with similar issues because their post-install script wasn't running the utility to update the icon cache for Gtk+ |
| 21:37.50 | Dagmar | Looking |
| 21:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, a logout/login worked with the icon |
| 21:39.36 | Dagmar | For Gtk+ it's gtk-update-icon-cache |
| 21:39.41 | Dagmar | (with some arguments) |
| 21:40.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 21:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | well I hate gtk =] |
| 21:40.14 | Dagmar | It's supposd to happen automagically with user-local context things, which is probably what was going not quite right there |
| 21:40.35 | Dagmar | Like, if the icon's in your homedir it should have just happened on it's own |
| 21:40.44 | kd3 | which is kinda pissing me off too... xdg-icon-resource /should/ be taking care of all of that |
| 21:40.46 | kd3 | grrs again |
| 21:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm starting to think that manual install is the way to go |
| 21:42.48 | zenzelezz | <Dashkal> I miss Enlightenment. <-- I recently pondered trying it out again... if I understood things right, E17 is starting to get close. But for now I'm fine with Xfce |
| 21:42.58 | Dagmar | hah |
| 21:43.08 | Adys | http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032609/content/01125110.guest.html |
| 21:43.08 | Dagmar | The heat death of the universe is "getting close", too. |
| 21:43.10 | Adys | The funny part |
| 21:43.12 | Adys | "Reminds me of the energy crisis of the seventies, TWA experimented, or American did, by taking all the paint off the airplanes to see if it would save fuel by reducing the weight. " |
| 21:43.31 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: did the relative path for you work under either xfce or gnome? |
| 21:43.46 | kd3 | didn't test the relative path under gnome. nothing I did could get it to work under xfce |
| 21:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | absolute path in the exec then |
| 21:44.20 | Dagmar | That'll break theming but whatever |
| 21:44.30 | Dagmar | People pick hideous themes anyway |
| 21:44.51 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: e17 has been 'close' since I was in school. That project moves at a glacial pace. |
| 21:45.17 | Dagmar | Rasterman needs to stop getting distracted by fixing massive shortcomings in X. ;) |
| 21:45.51 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: I know it does; but I base my statement on a recent visit to the site where version numbers were in the 16.999.X range. Most likely I'm wrong, but I choose to remain hopeful |
| 21:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, and the xdg-desktop-menu command alone won't install it on KDE. Have to run kbuildsyscoca4 |
| 21:46.28 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: Oh, it'll eventually release. Every time I've looked I've seen build increments. It's just that it's an open question of weather e17 or my firstborn will come first... |
| 21:46.41 | Dagmar | I will mention that technically the spec says you're not supposed to give the _extention_ to the icon filename, just the base part of the filename. |
| 21:47.01 | kd3 | that's only if there's a icon you're trying to use as part of the icon theme |
| 21:47.04 | kd3 | there isn't, in our case |
| 21:47.10 | Dagmar | ...which is another thing done in consideration of themeing and being graphic-format agnostic |
| 21:47.42 | Dashkal | If this is real... do want: http://www.microvision.com/showwx/index.html |
| 21:47.50 | Dashkal | 200$ laser based projector |
| 21:47.52 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: hehe |
| 21:47.59 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: I just hope it turns out to be worth the wait |
| 21:48.01 | kd3 | and I'm not giving the extension in the desktop file... just in the icon-installer. http://wowi.pastey.net/114996 |
| 21:48.04 | Dashkal | as do I |
| 21:48.47 | Dashkal | Not sure I could use it as my primary WM, but I could do some very interesting things with E and a touchscreen |
| 21:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | This is infuriating. the xdg-desktop-menu install refuses to work properly |
| 21:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | A manual install might be awesome here |
| 21:49.26 | Dagmar | Which package format are you using? Rpm? |
| 21:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | None |
| 21:50.08 | kd3 | we're setting up something for the minion |
| 21:50.08 | Dagmar | You're just handing people a tarball with an icon a .desktop file and a .jar file? |
| 21:50.22 | kd3 | the .jnlp autoinstalls rather neatly |
| 21:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | no, there's a java based installer that could do this for us |
| 21:50.28 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 21:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | currently there isn't any .desktop file for this app at all |
| 21:50.44 | kd3 | minion.mmoui.com. go poke it |
| 21:50.48 | Dagmar | k |
| 21:51.15 | alestane | I presume there are a few people out there with some starcraft experience...any advice for mounting an assault on a location fortified with both missile turrets and siege tanks? |
| 21:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | as what race? |
| 21:51.36 | alestane | Zerg. |
| 21:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | guardians |
| 21:51.55 | Gnarfoz | you're not asking this WHILE you're playing said game, right? ^^ |
| 21:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | more range than the turrets, can't hit be hit by the tanks |
| 21:52.05 | Dagmar | I'm about to start up the "Dropline Building" gulag again so I'll definitely pound the stuffing out of it on the most pedantic distro (Slackware) |
| 21:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Use an overlord with extended range to spot for the guardians, go nuts |
| 21:52.35 | alestane | Not right now, but unfortunately it's an early campaign game, and I don't get guardians. |
| 21:52.43 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 21:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | that mission |
| 21:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | that mission sucks |
| 21:52.52 | alestane | Third campaign mission. |
| 21:52.54 | kd3 | yes, yes it does |
| 21:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, that's the one I'm thinking of |
| 21:53.05 | ScytheBlade1 | 3 groups of mutalisks |
| 21:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "zerg them down" in a literal sense |
| 21:53.11 | Dashkal | remembers |
| 21:53.16 | Dashkal | oh yeah, that one really bites |
| 21:53.18 | alestane | Terrans get siege-mode tanks, I get up to hydralisks and mutalisks. |
| 21:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | mass mutas. A single group focusing on a turret can take it out before one muta gets below ~40% health |
| 21:53.42 | Dashkal | I used alternating waves of hydralisks and mutalisks. Pull forward, kill the tanks, pull back, pull forward, kill the towers, pull back, etc |
| 21:53.43 | Dagmar | Does Cedega still have that "if you're man enough to build it, it's free" thing in place? |
| 21:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | rotate the leading mutalisk so that a different one takes the damage each time |
| 21:53.58 | mikma | shirik: zomg! "the username specified does not belong to a premium account" <- is that a errormessage or what? :D |
| 21:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Use the other group (or two groups) to kill the marines and everything else that bothers you |
| 21:54.11 | kd3 | dag; probably. but it's pretty broken as far as support works. it's missing a lot |
| 21:54.19 | alestane | Like, how many? Three full squads of 12? |
| 21:54.23 | Dagmar | Oh, so I'd be better off going with vanilla WINE then? |
| 21:54.25 | kd3 | vanilla wine not working? |
| 21:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Two works if you're careful |
| 21:54.28 | Dagmar | Fair enough |
| 21:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Three is guaranteed victory |
| 21:54.51 | Dagmar | Well, I started using it back when it was definitely ahead of WINE for gaming |
| 21:54.54 | alestane | I'm trying to learn how to blanace building up so that your attack force is overwhelming with not waiting so long that my opponent can do the same. |
| 21:55.02 | kd3 | dag; me too. then wine caught up and blew it away |
| 21:55.05 | Dagmar | ...so all my scribbly notes are about Cedega |
| 21:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Your opponent on this map doesn't really do much |
| 21:55.17 | Dagmar | I can probably use rworkman's WINE scripts then |
| 21:55.25 | kd3 | what app are you trying to run? |
| 21:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Burrow 2 groups of zerglings and one of hydralisks on the path to your base, southwest of the mineral plateau |
| 21:55.40 | alestane | So it's not just that I completely suck, this mission is pretty hard? |
| 21:55.42 | Dagmar | kd3: Gonna be running WoW under Linux again |
| 21:55.49 | kd3 | it's almost plug-and-play these days |
| 21:55.52 | Dagmar | But keep in mind, I'm a Slackware user. |
| 21:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | For zerg 3, it's retarded on the balance curve |
| 21:56.06 | Dagmar | So, not a lot happens on that platform that we don't painstakingly assemble by hand. |
| 21:56.08 | Dagmar | :) |
| 21:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I finished that map having exhausted ALL of my resources |
| 21:56.10 | Dashkal | the only thing I had to do to get wow running decently was to switch to opengl |
| 21:56.21 | kd3 | thus 'almost' |
| 21:56.46 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I've pretty much worn out the starting resources and the first plateau is getting low, but I managed to get a base in the northeast corner. |
| 21:57.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Burrow ~3 groups of defensive units on the path to your base. pop them up when the offensive tanks are right above them, so siege mode is ineffective |
| 21:57.11 | Shirik | mikma: it's a warning |
| 21:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | five sunken colonies will defend the chrysalis nicely |
| 21:57.17 | alestane | I noticed siege tanks can't hit close targets. |
| 21:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | from there just mass mutas |
| 21:57.21 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 21:57.23 | alestane | No sunken colonies either. |
| 21:57.25 | Shirik | note the exclamation point instead of the X |
| 21:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | They have a minimum range of 2 |
| 21:57.29 | mikma | shirik: why is it there? :) |
| 21:57.37 | Shirik | because there's no reason for you to log in otherwise |
| 21:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (which is why I'd suggest 2 groups of zerglings, and 1 of hydras for defense) |
| 21:57.54 | kd3 | doesn't nUI need some logged-in-only stuff? |
| 21:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: all this crap considered. manual install? |
| 21:58.22 | mikma | shirik: so just go ahead with anonymous unless you are premium? |
| 21:58.28 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Part of what sucks is that I can't make any sunken or spore colonies, but my opponent has missile turrets and bunkers. It's very much a heavy-offense map. |
| 21:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: the southern most part of their compound is wide open to drops. right along the west ridge. ~3 turrets, wide open space, more base |
| 21:59.17 | kd3 | well now that the desktop launcher works in all of the DEs, what's still broken other than kde needing a relog? |
| 21:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | You can use two groups of mutas to take out the turrets, and overlords to drop units in |
| 21:59.42 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I had more trouble with that approach, although this time around I think I did a better job building my economy. |
| 21:59.48 | kd3 | s/all/the big three/ |
| 22:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly though, the easiest way is just three+ groups of mutas, starting from the south-west corner of their base and moving up. careful micro to ensure no mutalisks die, and taking out the swarms of marines that attack is critical |
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| 22:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: let me nuke it all and give it clean go then. pastey your .desktop? |
| 22:00.45 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/114996 |
| 22:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | after you xdg-desktop-whatever install, does it create a blank ~/.config/menus/applications-merged/xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu ? |
| 22:03.06 | kd3 | ya. grr. forgot about that |
| 22:03.21 | mikma | shirik: what do i do with addons not displaying in Minion? :D (ChatIcons, installed, can be found in wowi, not shown in minion.) |
| 22:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: the following zerg mission has many many more turrets, and involves many many more mutas. rotate the leading muta when attacking a new tower, as to spread the damage, and things get MUCH easier. You'll use that trick for the rest of the game |
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| 22:04.05 | Gnarfoz | micro! |
| 22:04.22 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: that file breaks KDE4's menu rebuild entirely, and prevents it from installing all the way -- just because it is empty |
| 22:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | stabs kde |
| 22:06.34 | kneeki | So, to launch a java application, must I use console or cmd? Does a java app not have a .exe? |
| 22:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | From what OS? |
| 22:06.57 | kneeki | Windows |
| 22:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | The .jar should launch with Java, so you can just "run the .jar" |
| 22:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | No they don't have a .exe |
| 22:07.28 | kneeki | Ah I see |
| 22:07.34 | Shirik | mikma: post your logfile with description on the bug tracker |
| 22:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | If you broke your file extension <--> app relationship, you can make a quick batch file to launch it for you |
| 22:07.57 | kd3 | typically there's a shellscript that calls 'java -jar foo.jar' just in case |
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| 22:08.12 | kneeki | Ah, that explains that |
| 22:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=138790&postcount=3 |
| 22:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ have an example |
| 22:11.01 | mikma | shirik: gotcha. |
| 22:12.25 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, can you bump one of my tickets..it went from minor to serious |
| 22:13.06 | Cairenn | remember guys, he's still at work atm, I'm surprised to see him on at all right now |
| 22:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: |
| 22:13.25 | kd3 | >.> |
| 22:13.30 | Osagasu | Hm... |
| 22:13.41 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i remember, but i prefer to get a "i'll do it later" on the off chance he can do it now |
| 22:13.51 | Cairenn | nod |
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| 22:19.38 | mikma | cairenn: he doesn't dare to be away |
| 22:19.52 | mikma | he knows purl will have 20x botmail for him |
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| 22:24.01 | Dashkal | mutters something unplesant about java.util.Date being mutable |
| 22:24.07 | Dashkal | wtb new date and time api |
| 22:24.58 | Dagmar | hands you epoch() |
| 22:25.12 | Dashkal | Oh I know I can just use longs (or JodaTime) but meh |
| 22:25.51 | Dagmar | JodaTime doesn't support the Erisan Calendar. |
| 22:25.53 | Dagmar | Boo. |
| 22:26.20 | Dashkal | Can't say I've heard of that one |
| 22:27.09 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian_calendar |
| 22:27.14 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, I suppose we could use your .menu file so it uses that one instead of creating a blank one |
| 22:27.23 | kd3 | that should solve all our problems |
| 22:27.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was guessing |
| 22:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The question is, is there a proper way of installing it? |
| 22:28.27 | kd3 | rename it to a .directory file and call it ahead of the .desktop file on the xdg-desktop-menu invocation |
| 22:29.14 | kd3 | `xdg-desktop-menu install MMOUI-Minion.directory MMOUI-Minion.desktop` |
| 22:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | sounds good |
| 22:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | fixes the category crap too |
| 22:32.12 | kd3 | k. bug report's updated |
| 22:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | tests |
| 22:33.53 | kd3 | wish I could override the .desktop file attached to the bug report |
| 22:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | it hates that .directory |
| 22:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Says every line is invalid |
| 22:41.28 | kd3 | ! |
| 22:41.50 | kd3 | oh, fail. I see what I should've done |
| 22:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Good, because I don't, ha |
| 22:42.11 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Does rotating one mutalisk require selecting them one by one, or is there some easier way to do it? |
| 22:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: I just hit the group hotkey, pick one that looks healthy, send it in, hit the hotkey again, and then send them ALL in |
| 22:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | So yeah, it boils down to selecting one |
| 22:43.05 | alestane | So really micro management. |
| 22:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 22:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | On that mission, I think I went in with 3 groups of mutas |
| 22:43.24 | alestane | I can see that this game can't actually be played effectively without effective use of the keyboard. |
| 22:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Finished with 1 |
| 22:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it really can't |
| 22:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Group hotkeys are your friend |
| 22:43.57 | alestane | It fools you, because it looks like it can, but hotkeys are critical to anything after baby missions. |
| 22:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Definitely |
| 22:44.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I had three groups hotkeyed for my muta assult force |
| 22:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Three more for my defensive group |
| 22:44.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And another three for my hatcheries |
| 22:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That way, with a quick double-tap of any number, I can jump to any place on the map that I care about |
| 22:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | The offense, the defense, or the base |
| 22:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus, I could also build reinforcements as needed without navigating to the base |
| 22:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hit a hatchery hotkey, set a new rally point, order them to build |
| 22:45.41 | kd3 | ok... I uploaded files with .v2 extensions to mantis. poke those |
| 22:46.20 | kd3 | which is going to break in locales other than english, but blah |
| 22:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't localized currently |
| 22:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | So meh |
| 22:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, it ran properly |
| 22:47.19 | kd3 | yay |
| 22:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo |
| 22:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Icon works |
| 22:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | And it launches! |
| 22:48.59 | ScytheBlade1 | If I didn't know any better it was a properly installed app |
| 22:49.07 | kd3 | wahaha |
| 22:49.15 | Kraps | is there a mirror i can download minion from? |
| 22:49.20 | ScytheBlade1 | minion.mmoui.com |
| 22:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: change it up so that the path and the exec are the last line, and lacking your specific ${INSTALL-PREFIX} and I think it is good to go |
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| 22:52.17 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/05/extending-google-chrome.html |
| 22:53.07 | kd3 | points at v3 |
| 22:53.26 | ScytheBlade1 | yey |
| 22:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: bug #96 looks good now |
| 22:56.52 | Adys | system monitors are really gonna need to handle this whole process sharing thing |
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| 23:05.16 | kneeki | Anyone have any more guides like this one: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/cupojava/win32.html to help walking through making dialog windows and controlling them? |
| 23:06.44 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: what? |
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| 23:09.01 | kd3 | kneeki; http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ui/index.html |
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| 23:09.36 | kd3 | other tutorials: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ |
| 23:09.43 | kneeki | ty =) |
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| 23:23.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, which part do you have a question about? |
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| 23:27.20 | Lopeppeppy | I can't freakin' read. *sigh* |
| 23:27.29 | kneeki | OH MAN |
| 23:27.35 | kneeki | NetBeans IDE is epic win |
| 23:29.04 | Lopeppeppy | And coldfusion still sucks! |
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| 23:30.58 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: You own an awful lot of books for someone who can't read. |
| 23:31.24 | Lopeppeppy | HEY! |
| 23:31.27 | Lopeppeppy | That's mean. |
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| 23:31.53 | alestane | A little, I suppose. |
| 23:32.03 | alestane | comforts Peppy. |
| 23:32.25 | Lopeppeppy | Harumph. |
| 23:32.29 | Lunessa | going home. got a raid tonight. See you. :) |
| 23:32.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for Lunessa!! |
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| 23:47.54 | Antiarc | Shirik: Minion detects Windows 7 as Vista |
| 23:47.58 | Antiarc | (you're working on Minion, right?) |
| 23:48.34 | NeoTron | Shirik actually IS Minion |
| 23:48.36 | NeoTron | think Skynet |
| 23:50.42 | Lopeppeppy | Antiarc, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24042 ? |
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