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| 00:50.55 | Shirik | so I'm using a feature in Windows that's completely undocumented |
| 00:51.03 | Shirik | here's the question: Is that a good thing or a bad thing |
| 00:51.25 | Shirik | According to my searches, it's the only way to elevate a process through UAC at run-time |
| 00:52.40 | foxlit | "here's the question: Is that a good thing or a bad thing" << it can't be a good thing |
| 00:53.36 | Shirik | All I want is to elevate a new process |
| 00:53.41 | Shirik | that should not be a hard concept |
| 00:57.24 | ScytheBlade1 | what? That sounds like something which should be documented everywhere |
| 00:59.13 | Shirik | that's what I thought |
| 00:59.24 | Shirik | apparently the solution is to call ShellExecute() with operation "runas" |
| 00:59.30 | Shirik | but that operation is nowhere listed on the documentation |
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| 01:07.55 | kd3 | grr |
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| 01:25.49 | Syzgyn | I think I'm gonna write a mod that hide everything in general chat that has more than 3 ,'s in it. |
| 01:26.13 | Syzgyn | and by , I mean . |
| 01:26.57 | foxlit | But us people using !!!!! are !!!! safe?!!!! right!!!! |
| 01:29.17 | mikma | like, you mean, like, this ain't cool, or, what? |
| 01:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: any "gotchas" that come with upgrading fedora? |
| 01:31.37 | mikma | ~botmail for p3lim leave haste alone! you suck. |
| 01:31.51 | haste | lol |
| 01:32.12 | kd3 | the selinux policy they shipped (in beta) was broken, so `yum -y update yum; yum -y update selinux-policy; yum -y update` and then you'll be fine |
| 01:32.20 | kd3 | otherwise, no real gotchas |
| 01:32.29 | kd3 | other than lirc being broken, which I'm still trying to work around |
| 01:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | do I have to download a full install disc, or will yum do it for me? |
| 01:33.09 | kd3 | yum can do it for you. if you're upgrading live (not from the dvd), install the package "preupgrade" and go from there |
| 01:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | nah, not live |
| 01:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | good to know that it works pretty much exactly like centos upgrades |
| 01:34.14 | kd3 | centos = RHEL -redhat branding |
| 01:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | yup, I know |
| 01:34.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I'm using fedora actually.. eat my own dogfood type thing |
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| 01:52.14 | bleetah | straw poll: PvE Instance queues: Yes/No |
| 01:52.24 | mikma | wat |
| 01:52.27 | foxlit | As long as they're short. |
| 01:52.49 | bleetah | mikma: many servers are becoming instance capped |
| 01:52.49 | airtonix | why? |
| 01:52.55 | bleetah | well, a number at least |
| 01:53.01 | haste | bleetah: reseting all instances usually frees up some slots for your group |
| 01:53.08 | bleetah | and it'd seem a recurring problem |
| 01:53.22 | haste | we've had it since wotlk went live |
| 01:53.26 | foxlit | I don't think they'll ever fix it by obvious queueing |
| 01:53.35 | haste | or before 3.0 :p |
| 01:53.37 | foxlit | It's more of a "throw more hardware at it" sort of problem. |
| 01:53.41 | haste | s/before/since/ |
| 01:54.01 | bleetah | foxlit: at least with a queue akin to the PvP queue, people may have an idea how long to wait |
| 01:54.03 | airtonix | we could create the gestapo again? |
| 01:54.10 | bleetah | foxlit: rather than banging on the door every 10 seconds |
| 01:54.15 | foxlit | bleetah: but that'd be admitting failure |
| 01:54.23 | foxlit | PvP matchmaking has an excuse. |
| 01:54.37 | foxlit | PvE instance server shortage... does not. |
| 01:54.41 | bleetah | foxlit: and having no better solution than 'try again in 10 seconds' isn't failure either? |
| 01:55.06 | foxlit | It's not *admitting* failure |
| 01:55.19 | foxlit | And they're still liable to fix it by... throwing more hardware at the problem. |
| 01:55.40 | airtonix | throws hardware at the problem.....problem resists hardware damage |
| 01:56.01 | foxlit | That takes time, but it's a superior solution to "you've joined a queue to play a game" |
| 01:56.35 | haste | 's Throw More Hardware was absorbed by Instance Server. |
| 01:56.54 | foxlit | repeat (...) until it works |
| 01:57.24 | Thrae | I think my brain died...if I know I only have one item in a hash table, is there a simple way to grab that one key without iteration? |
| 01:57.25 | haste | I like how you could get a queue to the server |
| 01:57.31 | haste | then a queue to the instance server that way |
| 01:57.47 | haste | Thrae: next(tbl) |
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| 01:59.38 | airtonix | lua> local meh = { ['intelligentResponse'] = "LOL" }; print(next(meh)) |
| 01:59.39 | lua_bot | airtonix: intelligentResponse, LOL |
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| 02:00.07 | airtonix | stabs lua_bot |
| 02:00.23 | Thrae | Ah, of course. |
| 02:04.14 | bleetah | I dunno, I just see that message and think 'Failure of proper capacity planning'. Check out the GM forum, seems quite a few think similar. A PvE queue, whether activated or not, guards against future fail to capacity plan too (and gives customers something 'nice' to work with rather than 'try again in 10 seconds or wait for hardware upgrades lolsuckah') |
| 02:05.55 | dardack | yawn |
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| 02:07.34 | bleetah | yawn? it's midday fer crying out loud! :P |
| 02:07.45 | airtonix | not on the moon it isnt |
| 02:07.55 | bleetah | europa? |
| 02:08.06 | Arrowmaster | shutit you aussie |
| 02:08.25 | bleetah | *orrsee |
| 02:08.29 | airtonix | lulz |
| 02:08.36 | airtonix | hai sven |
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| 02:18.17 | dardack | anyone know with oUF if it's possible to make target's debufs grey except mine, but keep the buffs colored? |
| 02:18.50 | bleetah | hmm, 100+ customer support posts on a topic in the past 24 hours... and it's not considered a failure? odd. |
| 02:18.59 | dardack | what topic? |
| 02:19.46 | mikma | oUF sucks, use ShadowedUnitFrames! |
| 02:19.58 | dardack | bloated? |
| 02:20.03 | dardack | i like oUF alot |
| 02:21.54 | mikma | sure, ShadowedUnitFrames is bloated |
| 02:22.48 | dardack | ok |
| 02:23.00 | haste | dardack: you can do that pretty easily with CustomAuraFilter() |
| 02:23.14 | haste | but if you don't like coding then Shadowed's unit frame is probablu where to go :3 |
| 02:23.14 | dardack | thankse haste |
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| 02:23.34 | dardack | well i've taken caellian's layout and hacked it up quiet a bit |
| 02:23.52 | mikma | i hate the term "hacked" |
| 02:23.56 | haste | http://github.com/haste/oUF/blob/2ff694b8b6c5bcf73aea3e9c58bfa8b2d75fbc24/elements/aura.lua#L114 is what oUF does with that function |
| 02:24.11 | dardack | i have seen an imporvement in fpS since going from xperl to oUF, xperl easy but bloated, why i asked about SUF |
| 02:24.44 | dardack | well i didn't know what other term to use, i mean literally i've hacked pieces together that it could probably be a lot cleaner |
| 02:25.41 | mikma | i'll keep on using "edited" instead |
| 02:25.55 | dardack | ok |
| 02:26.19 | dardack | but between xperl/pitbull/suf which would be the least bloated? |
| 02:26.38 | mikma | suf |
| 02:26.56 | dardack | guess i'll check it out |
| 02:26.57 | mikma | shadowed is aiming to keep it as light as possible |
| 02:27.03 | dardack | ouF can drive me crazy at times |
| 02:27.21 | mikma | yeah haste has that effect |
| 02:27.31 | mikma | "the haste effect", psssssssssssh! |
| 02:27.35 | dardack | heh |
| 02:27.38 | dardack | let me check out suf |
| 02:27.50 | dardack | can you put the 3d portait in suf in the center between hp/mana? |
| 02:27.54 | dardack | like horizontal? |
| 02:28.14 | mikma | no |
| 02:28.20 | dardack | oh |
| 02:28.27 | mikma | or |
| 02:28.29 | mikma | maybe |
| 02:28.37 | dardack | might be a deal braker i love that |
| 02:28.39 | mikma | see the advanced -section |
| 02:28.44 | dardack | why i dropped xperl for pitbull for a bit |
| 02:28.56 | dardack | ok |
| 02:29.06 | dardack | exiting wow and enabling, will let you know how i like it |
| 02:29.31 | Zeksie | x-perl bloated? heh.. it's prolly the least memory intensive of any.. :) |
| 02:30.10 | mikma | go and do a compare |
| 02:30.13 | Shadowed | it's a oUf |
| 02:30.15 | Shadowed | UF* |
| 02:30.16 | mikma | that'll end the race |
| 02:30.22 | Shadowed | if you care about static memory that much |
| 02:30.25 | Shadowed | you are doing it wrong |
| 02:30.50 | haste | x-perl does have every feature and more tho' :p |
| 02:31.11 | mikma | original question was which one is least bloated |
| 02:31.18 | Zeksie | yep. and has almost zero memory growth with a full raid during combat. which was what was important to me |
| 02:31.21 | mikma | and i think suf wins that one |
| 02:31.35 | haste | and how about CPU usage? :3 |
| 02:31.39 | Shadowed | memory growth shouldn't really be an issue unless you do something weird |
| 02:31.41 | Shadowed | and anyway |
| 02:31.42 | dardack | xperl is bloated |
| 02:31.43 | Zeksie | just fine. barely any |
| 02:31.48 | Shadowed | generally you're trading memory for CPU |
| 02:31.58 | Zeksie | functionality does not meant bloated ;) |
| 02:32.01 | Shadowed | yes, it does |
| 02:32.05 | dardack | anyways, where is advanced mikma? would like to try and put the portrait horizontal? |
| 02:32.05 | Nechckn_AFK | enable, try in-game. See which has the options you want and which allows you to party, raid, etc with the best response. It's more subjective than objective. |
| 02:32.07 | haste | I agree with Shadowed |
| 02:32.14 | mikma | dardack: ask shadowed ! |
| 02:32.18 | Shadowed | It does't do that |
| 02:32.22 | dardack | dang |
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| 02:32.30 | Shadowed | it will when I get around to making bars slip under the portrait, but for now it does't |
| 02:32.32 | Shadowed | doesn't* |
| 02:32.34 | Zeksie | depends what you're after. if you want the stuff, then it's not. if you just want to show who's alive, then it's probably too much for you |
| 02:32.38 | Zyndrome | oUF cured my cancer ... if I had any |
| 02:32.39 | Shadowed | ... |
| 02:33.06 | dardack | alls i know is i gained like 10 fps dropping xperl for ouf |
| 02:33.07 | haste | oUF made duke nukem forever get release on time! |
| 02:33.08 | haste | oh wait... |
| 02:33.18 | Zeksie | but go ahead, download some lean unitframe, and then 30 other mods to do the same thing. it's all the same to me ;) |
| 02:33.28 | Shadowed | see |
| 02:33.31 | Zeksie | dardack i highly doubt that |
| 02:33.32 | Shadowed | this is the thing that most UF's fail at |
| 02:33.46 | Shadowed | they forget you don't need 500 options to do everything with, or 500 features |
| 02:33.57 | haste | must.. please... everyone... |
| 02:33.57 | Shadowed | and oUF is probably the most efficient of any UF, short of Blizzards |
| 02:33.58 | haste | oh wait.. |
| 02:33.59 | mikma | 500+500 while at it |
| 02:34.08 | dardack | zeksie i'm sorry you doubt that, but i used xperl for years litterally, updated everytime, about a month ago heard about oUF tried it out and yes gained 10 fps |
| 02:34.22 | Zeksie | most of the things were requested, by the users. go chase them down ;) |
| 02:34.26 | mikma | haste: please-o-matic 9001 |
| 02:34.32 | Shadowed | okay Zeksie |
| 02:34.40 | Shadowed | let me teach you something I've learned in 4 years of listening to users |
| 02:34.42 | Shadowed | they ask for stupid things |
| 02:34.49 | Shadowed | and if you listen to every single request? you get borg addons |
| 02:34.54 | Zeksie | don't really care what people think. i'm happy with it, and lots of others are |
| 02:34.59 | Zeksie | i don't listen to everyone. |
| 02:35.04 | mikma | shadowed: can you code SUF to paint my dog? |
| 02:35.21 | Zeksie | and i have not put in more than 1/4 of the things people have asked for |
| 02:35.29 | Zeksie | because they're outside the scope of it. |
| 02:35.36 | Shadowed | but, you're crazy if you think xPerl is more efficient than oUf |
| 02:35.49 | Shadowed | or, as efficient for that matter |
| 02:36.01 | Zeksie | i didn't say more efficient. i said it was low on memory usage and has zero growth |
| 02:36.22 | Shadowed | stop using memory as a statistic |
| 02:36.32 | mikma | well |
| 02:36.43 | Zeksie | memory is a statistic when it starts to be overused and choking performance |
| 02:36.50 | Shadowed | no it's not |
| 02:36.52 | mikma | you two homos arent good persons to say which UF is least bloated anyway |
| 02:36.56 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure I could drop the memory usage in SUF by like 20%-40% by using CPU time to drop memory usage |
| 02:36.57 | Zeksie | ofc it is |
| 02:37.01 | mikma | let the users decide |
| 02:37.13 | haste | can I decide? |
| 02:37.13 | Nechckn_AFK | when you start slamming the pagefile, it is |
| 02:37.15 | haste | 'cause... |
| 02:37.21 | haste | I haven't tried them (both) |
| 02:37.21 | Shadowed | You realize, that unless you're running a computer on minimum specs, you will not use that much memory? |
| 02:37.24 | haste | and I don't like either! |
| 02:37.29 | mikma | haste: no! you are the third homo |
| 02:37.33 | haste | haha |
| 02:37.40 | Shadowed | to make it an issue |
| 02:37.47 | haste | I don't even like my own add-on! |
| 02:37.49 | Zeksie | it might be fine for the first few mins while you're testing, but a couple of hours into a raid when everything is being used. memory really does play a huge part |
| 02:37.59 | Shadowed | only if you're doing something odd |
| 02:38.01 | haste | no it doesn't :P |
| 02:38.13 | haste | have you ever looked at how the garbage collector works in Lua? |
| 02:38.18 | haste | and how it was modified for WoW? |
| 02:38.38 | mikma | shirik: you suck |
| 02:38.39 | Shadowed | haste: Correct me if I'm wrong, the growth memory in a UF is probably things like junk strings from concats and such mainly? |
| 02:38.43 | haste | it does a damn fine job at handling memory churns |
| 02:38.48 | Shadowed | which ultimatey gets GCed |
| 02:38.50 | Zeksie | yes. incremental. but that's gotta run some time. if you're slamming the allocator and freeing stuff like mad, then it's gonna be going overtime |
| 02:38.54 | Shadowed | uh |
| 02:38.59 | Shadowed | what are you doing in an UF that you're slamming it? |
| 02:39.05 | Shadowed | You're Doing It Wrong(TM) |
| 02:39.34 | Zeksie | hehe. makes me giggle, really. |
| 02:39.36 | Zeksie | thanks |
| 02:39.58 | Shadowed | You didn't answer the question |
| 02:40.05 | Shadowed | what are you managing to do that you slam the GC |
| 02:40.50 | Zeksie | i don't have to answer. it's blatently obvious. you're running hundreds of events per sec with health updates, buff updates etc. |
| 02:40.58 | Shadowed | uhhhhh |
| 02:41.00 | Shadowed | mmmmmm |
| 02:41.09 | haste | how can you get hundreds of events per second with jsut health updates |
| 02:41.10 | Shadowed | opens up auras.lua |
| 02:41.46 | Zeksie | 25 players get AE, that's a minimum of 25 just for htat. 25 player auras get updated. 25 player mana gets updated. work it out |
| 02:41.53 | Shadowed | Quick glance at my aura code, I don't see anything thats really going to create a huge amount of garbage |
| 02:41.59 | dardack | Shadowed: can you make the buffs on target run to the right when on the right instead of up/down? |
| 02:42.11 | Shadowed | dardack: Yes, you can align auras to the top/left/right/bottom/inside |
| 02:42.56 | dardack | i tried right but it like on the right then puts them from top to bottom, i want them to increase going out to the right, i don't see another options besides align |
| 02:43.02 | dardack | i mean position |
| 02:43.18 | Shadowed | Oh, you mean a single line not growing via columns? |
| 02:43.34 | Zeksie | you seem to be all defensive that i'm attacking you. you've misread things entirely. i suggest you get down off your high horse and just concede that people's opinions differ. |
| 02:43.56 | mikma | dual at dawn |
| 02:44.03 | mikma | only way to settle this |
| 02:44.03 | Shadowed | well |
| 02:44.10 | Shadowed | opinions don't change how it works |
| 02:44.16 | dardack | well maybe not a single line but like right now it's = (hwere each line is 1 buff, so 2 buffs) i want -- |
| 02:44.54 | Shadowed | dardack: Not sure what you're saying, the max columns option controls how many columns it will use, so 2 will make it use 2 rows |
| 02:46.17 | dardack | yea i'm not explaining it right, different note, didn't read up but i see a cd ring, is there a way to change the ring to actual seconds/minutes? |
| 02:46.38 | Shadowed | you'd need to use an addon like OmniCC for that |
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| 02:47.51 | dardack | i have omicc |
| 02:48.35 | Shadowed | when did you last update? It's been showing duration on CD rings fine for me |
| 02:49.13 | dardack | nvm i get in comabt and now the cd's show |
| 02:49.35 | Shadowed | odd, not sure why you'd have to enter combat for that to hap;pen |
| 02:49.37 | Shadowed | -l |
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| 02:50.48 | Wobin | So Thorim |
| 02:50.52 | Wobin | Hallway team |
| 02:50.59 | Wobin | we got oneshotted by giant lightning balls |
| 02:51.04 | Wobin | is that cause the arena team died? |
| 02:51.08 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:51.10 | Wobin | kk |
| 02:54.25 | dardack | oh shadowed i see, if they are default size 16 at least on my resolution the cd doesn't show for higher than seconds |
| 02:54.37 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 02:54.53 | bleetah | Wobin: three storey high sand castles on qld/nsw beaches kgo |
| 02:56.52 | bleetah | Wobin: also... http://images.smh.com.au/2009/05/25/538940/fire420-420x0.jpg That's not how to burn down Centerpoint Tower |
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| 03:01.51 | bleetah | oO |
| 03:02.27 | bleetah | Leo Gao and his girlfriend Cara Young fled New Zealand with about $NZ3 million after they discovered the money in their bank account. But their chances of being caught have increased after they were joined overseas by Ms Young's sister, Aroha Hurring, who posted details about their location on her Facebook page. |
| 03:03.22 | Gnarfoz | first thing to do: turn it into cash, kill off your old identity |
| 03:03.26 | Gnarfoz | do people not learn from movies |
| 03:03.26 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:03.34 | bleetah | silly kiwis |
| 03:03.36 | dardack | haste are you gonna add pvp countdown? |
| 03:04.04 | Zyndrome | ArohaHurr has changed status to Anyone need $nz 3 mil ? |
| 03:04.06 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 03:04.48 | haste | dardack: hm? |
| 03:04.59 | dardack | the 5 minute thing? |
| 03:08.09 | haste | dardack: I don't really know anything about it, or how is would have to be done if anything |
| 03:08.21 | haste | neither do I currently have much free time to do extra stuff |
| 03:08.24 | dardack | it's part of the generic ui |
| 03:08.44 | dardack | ok i'll look into doing it, just dind't see any call in the ouf core for it |
| 03:09.00 | haste | it doesn't do it |
| 03:09.04 | haste | so that would be why |
| 03:10.04 | dardack | ok |
| 03:10.31 | mikma | hey, anyone here remembers the name of the classic-wow tooltip addon that had icons of players/mobs in? oftt.. no? |
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| 03:20.21 | mikma | http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=2416 |
| 03:20.38 | AnduinLothar | does Seal of Justice interupt if its unstunnable? |
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| 03:21.26 | Syzgyn | Seal? No. |
| 03:23.08 | Zyndrome | aaaaaaa North Korea is testing nukes, better start stockpiling canned food and buckshot ammo |
| 03:23.43 | mikma | except... they will propably nuke whole world while at it |
| 03:25.00 | Nechckn_AFK | Red Dawn! |
| 03:25.22 | mikma | blood has been spilled this night |
| 03:26.26 | airtonix | irinursentencesbutcheringurgrammar |
| 03:28.25 | mikma | airtonix haven't read/seen lort, is ok tho |
| 03:28.35 | mikma | lotr* |
| 03:30.30 | Dagmar | mikma: What's more likely is that they'll wind up lobbing a few into the drink and other nations will have to launch an expensive cleanup effort to get live sub-par-quality nukes out of the ocean for them. |
| 03:31.15 | mikma | oh i know, lets test nukes on the plastic-reef in the ocean! |
| 03:31.52 | Dagmar | I didn't say they'd be _trying_ to put them in the drink |
| 03:32.25 | Dagmar | ....and to pluralize "nukes" in their case is being generous. |
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| 03:32.53 | Dagmar | They could launch *one*, and then they'd probably get bulldozed flat |
| 03:33.23 | aesir | Small comfort for the small city that gets glazed. |
| 03:33.50 | Dagmar | Assuming they're trying to nuke someone more than 500 miles away, they don't have a great track record |
| 03:34.30 | dardack | ok think i got pvp countdown in ouf working |
| 03:34.31 | Kaso | its not like north korea haven't set off a nuke before now |
| 03:34.39 | Kaso | sure this one worked, but its hardly a new revoluation |
| 03:35.01 | Dagmar | Not many people really believe that first underground test they did was actually a nuke |
| 03:35.09 | Kaso | revelation |
| 03:35.40 | Kaso | i think nowadays the data suggests it was a fizzled nuke at a very low yield |
| 03:35.47 | Kaso | but a fizzle is still a nuke |
| 03:36.28 | Kaso | the difference is NK claim it was a success (like they often do) |
| 03:47.53 | Kaso | at least they didnt do a surface test |
| 03:48.06 | mikma | ~emulate bender |
| 03:48.07 | purl | Oh cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for who the bone bones; it bones for thee! |
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| 03:53.14 | Dagmar | When they have one blow up on the launch pad--that'll be their surface test. |
| 04:01.55 | Gnarfoz | they'll call that a success, too |
| 04:02.39 | Kraps | yeah so why can these 2 guilds down thaddius? |
| 04:03.08 | Kraps | or razuvious |
| 04:03.50 | airtonix | ? |
| 04:04.12 | airtonix | make sense please |
| 04:04.26 | Kraps | my guild and another are doing 25 naxx this week |
| 04:04.47 | Kraps | 3 nights on thadd = nothing\ |
| 04:05.05 | airtonix | lol? |
| 04:05.42 | Kraps | i'm felling kind of embarrassed for them |
| 04:05.51 | Kraps | feeling* |
| 04:06.15 | Kaso | Thaddius was fun 40 man |
| 04:06.26 | Kaso | loads more people to screw up the poliarties |
| 04:06.34 | Wobin | the fourpoint tactic works well for thaddius |
| 04:09.08 | Kaso | on 40man we used to use the tactic where everyone moves 90 degrees, and you choose your direction based on changed/not changed. That way it makes it easier to spot the those who arent paying attention because they're the only ones left on their own |
| 04:09.32 | Kraps | they've had time to try many different tactics Wobin |
| 04:09.51 | Wobin | Kaso: yeah, that one =) |
| 04:10.22 | Wobin | that works well, but people have to understand that they stop thinking about positive and negative, and switch to change/not change |
| 04:11.49 | Kaso | our guild had that strat engrained so much on to our brains we executed it when doing Mechano-Lord Capacitus heroic too |
| 04:12.26 | Kaso | not really needed on 5man, but it was just like muscle memory after all those nights of wiping on thaddius |
| 04:15.37 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, got failbot? |
| 04:16.06 | Kraps | i'm not a raid leader so no |
| 04:16.31 | ZorbaTHut | get your raid leader to get it. or get it yourself and make it silent so at least you can fume at the two or three people who are wiping you |
| 04:16.45 | Kraps | anyway good nght |
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| 05:14.47 | msou| | Top of the morning lads |
| 05:22.53 | Wobin | http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-05/23/content_11422634.htm |
| 05:23.03 | Wobin | hehe how chinese =) |
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| 05:29.53 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 05:30.05 | Taroven | Wobin: Disturbing. |
| 05:30.20 | Taroven | And yet, I can't help but laugh at it. |
| 05:30.37 | Wobin | indeed |
| 05:30.45 | Wobin | that man did what everyone -thinks- |
| 05:30.49 | Wobin | but never can say |
| 05:30.53 | Taroven | Yup. |
| 05:31.01 | msou| | Wobin: been doing some serious damage =) yet this dude things "you vannot do raids" yet |
| 05:31.14 | Wobin | what's your dps? |
| 05:31.31 | msou| | power: 266, crit: 20.53 |
| 05:31.40 | Wobin | no, your actual dps. |
| 05:31.45 | msou| | iirc |
| 05:31.47 | Wobin | You need to grab an addon like Recount |
| 05:31.47 | msou| | see |
| 05:31.57 | Wobin | and go hit a practise dummy |
| 05:32.12 | Wobin | Go through a few rotations |
| 05:32.16 | msou| | you know the funny part he was bragging about stuff when he knew I am new and was telling me how I "should speak" among other players like "don't say quests" say q |
| 05:32.29 | Wobin | and that will tell you what your optimum solo dps is |
| 05:32.30 | msou| | Wobin: yeah doing it today when I get home |
| 05:32.39 | Wobin | don't say quests, say "q"? |
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| 05:33.05 | Wobin | what sort of wacky tobaccy is he on? |
| 05:33.20 | msou| | Wobin: I know right.. he was funny my answer was "heh" and he says I just want to tell you how you should speak with others and I told him "didn't ask for it |
| 05:33.24 | msou| | haha |
| 05:33.46 | msou| | messages everyday asking if I am doing good... do this instead of that etc |
| 05:33.54 | Taroven | I always think it's a bit funny when people look at my rogue's gear and say "lol ur gear sux" right before I top the charts in 25mans by 2%+ of the raid's total damage. |
| 05:33.58 | msou| | I think I should stop being nice and tell him to stfu |
| 05:34.30 | Wobin | Taroven: pft, that's like the DK who laughed at my cobalt tanking set when I was 70 =P |
| 05:34.39 | msou| | Taroven: I found cool group.. well very small we did tons of heroics the past few days I just wantto do raids to complete my tier7 set |
| 05:34.47 | Taroven | (My rogue uses dual Anarchy, full T7 with 2 val, Ulduar thrower, and Grim Toll + badge trink) |
| 05:34.49 | msou| | Wobin: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
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| 05:35.30 | msou| | I have "decent" gear I think |
| 05:35.46 | msou| | if I am lucky I'd buy mirror of truth trinket today |
| 05:36.04 | Taroven | Your gear's not bad at all. |
| 05:37.00 | msou| | glad to hear that, now to find a group who does raids without complaining from strat is a pain |
| 05:37.26 | msou| | you know, with the ppl I play with.. they don't leave we die 10 times still continue... with random VH first wipe ppl leave |
| 05:37.46 | Taroven | cracks open a Killian's. |
| 05:38.05 | msou| | the sad part one of the members left to army yesterday and will cget back by friday so we'll see what will happen for the rest of us |
| 05:38.10 | msou| | he's the tanker |
| 05:38.35 | msou| | I bought that artisan yesterday, and saving up now for duelspec for tanking later |
| 05:38.59 | msou| | turns out making G aint that hard at all... heroics/dailies and you're good to go =) |
| 05:39.14 | msou| | made like 1500G in about a day and a half |
| 05:39.17 | Taroven | Yeah. I do pretty good with a couple dailies and leveling alts. |
| 05:39.17 | Wobin | you might want to look at http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37193 |
| 05:39.24 | msou| | sec |
| 05:39.29 | Wobin | with some nice gems, it might outdo the legplates |
| 05:40.07 | Wobin | although, you can tell if a heroic is going to fail miserably on the first pull |
| 05:40.37 | msou| | yeah we did UK/HoL a lot to get that drop and the rest |
| 05:40.44 | msou| | got the axe only |
| 05:40.45 | Wobin | I'm quite willing to throw in the towel on a bad pug to prevent from being locked |
| 05:41.01 | msou| | what's pug by the way? |
| 05:41.06 | Wobin | Pick Up Group |
| 05:41.09 | msou| | oh |
| 05:41.21 | Wobin | basically any party that isn't prearranged through friends/guild |
| 05:41.43 | msou| | yeah I learnt my lesson last saturday |
| 05:44.03 | msou| | I get asked by ppl to join their guild... I keep saying now. joined one and we're not many just 4-6 I think |
| 05:44.08 | msou| | the rest are 60s etc |
| 05:44.51 | msou| | so lets see how things goes |
| 05:45.13 | msou| | I'd probably will try VoA/OS today 10 and see |
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| 05:50.39 | Wobin | >< One of my friends just posted: I am going to wear this shirt as a testimony of Jesuses unconditional love for my tits: http://tinyurl.com/qsucaq |
| 05:51.13 | msou| | hehe |
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| 05:53.43 | msou| | oh yes, did those quests in storm peaks yesterday hoping I reach to the one that makes me friendly with sons of hodir.. turns out I am hated 22000 now when I did them |
| 05:53.59 | msou| | not sure if it supposed to be like that hated, neutral then friendly |
| 05:54.11 | msou| | have like over 150 relics of ulduar |
| 06:01.59 | Taroven | ...I think my warrior's talent tree just got renamed to "Insanity". |
| 06:02.11 | ZorbaTHut | msou, yes, that's as designed |
| 06:02.20 | msou| | oh I see |
| 06:03.15 | msou| | I'll continue questing there then.. I am after the sword and undercity tabard from tournament... I cannot get that quest done enemy at the gate for some odd reason.. so I do the other two to collect those valiant seals or some such |
| 06:03.37 | msou| | 25 I am not sure if I am able to trade those to champion something to get sword of sindo'rei |
| 06:03.46 | msou| | or the tabard for 50 champions |
| 06:04.02 | msou| | all I know it takes about 2-3 weeks to get it done |
| 06:05.21 | msou| | I do around 11-16 dailies a day.. mainly the ones I get rep from i.e. assault by ground, free prisoners from that ship =) |
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| 06:10.08 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: You remember the last time when I told you I place 3rd and do horrible? now it's like that scene from starwars revenge of the sith "my powers have doubled since last time count" :P |
| 06:10.25 | msou| | mostly 1 and 3 times I remember 2nd |
| 06:11.15 | msou| | and I do not sound like a geek at all "starwars..." |
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| 06:14.21 | msou| | only thing I want to get it done now is profession... mining and blacksmithing sounds great for making G and creating goodies... requires an extensive time and not sure if I should pick diff ones. enchanting sounds good or some other one |
| 06:14.55 | zenzio | I think gathering professions are more profitable than crafting professions by and large |
| 06:15.28 | msou| | had herbalism for a lil while with alchemy |
| 06:15.41 | msou| | let me check what else I can get from gathering |
| 06:19.36 | msou| | to be truthful I don't bother much about making money from AH... not bragging but I was annoyed by that artisan skill and got about 1500 in less than two days |
| 06:20.00 | msou| | dailies, sell drops than I don't use i.e. shields etc and tons of heroics quests =) |
| 06:20.26 | msou| | sold most of the swords that I don't even use nor will ever use and that re-raged waraxe from zuldarak |
| 06:20.27 | kd3 | oh geez. another "nuclear test"? |
| 06:20.34 | kd3 | grrs |
| 06:21.50 | Kaso | media are going to have a field day over this |
| 06:22.12 | Kaso | and its not exactly unexpected or unprecidented |
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| 06:23.42 | kd3 | I woke up a roommate laughing at fark's tag for the headline: North Korea: "Boom goes the dynamite" |
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| 06:28.37 | zenzio | hehe, "The problem with TG as a five-point talent is that it doesn't divide evenly by five. You can't say "Makes you 20% able to wield two two-handers" at rank one." |
| 06:30.31 | Kaso | you could |
| 06:30.41 | Kaso | 1 in 5 hits when wielding a two handed weapon misses? |
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| 06:31.19 | zenzio | I'm sure there are ways you could implement it, but I just found the comment funny =) |
| 06:31.20 | Kaso | i mean 4/5 for rank 1 ofc |
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| 06:38.56 | msou| | just read about the dual wielding for dks, possibly will be added in the next major patch |
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| 07:02.59 | ZorbaTHut | what're they changing about dk dualwield? |
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| 07:03.56 | Wobin | Chrome 2? |
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| 07:05.15 | ZorbaTHut | on an unrelated note, I wonder if they're ever going to add non-weapon enchant glows |
| 07:05.35 | ZorbaTHut | or non-head-or-shoulders models. |
| 07:06.09 | ZorbaTHut | I guess hands might have models also, not sure about that. |
| 07:08.52 | msou| | when ppl say offspec they mean they have duelspec? |
| 07:09.19 | Wobin | aye, now |
| 07:09.36 | Wobin | and it's dual spec |
| 07:09.43 | msou| | dual spec =) |
| 07:10.14 | msou| | I should start asking if none needs that item if it's for tanking... probably will get it done with by friday |
| 07:10.23 | msou| | dual spec |
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| 07:15.28 | Grum | msou|: offspec just means 'not for what they consider mainspec' :) |
| 07:15.45 | Grum | they dont necessarily have to have the spec they will use it for as 'dual spec' |
| 07:16.33 | Fisker- | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:17.15 | msou| | Grum: yeah, will work on that tanking gear =) as a tanker you get easily in instances/raids than a dps for instance |
| 07:17.28 | msou| | mostly ppl look for tankers/healers/dps |
| 07:17.31 | Grum | depends what instance you plan to go |
| 07:17.54 | Grum | if you are going to a raid instance you will not find a spot as a tank that easily |
| 07:18.02 | msou| | that I don't know, I just see in the lfm channel |
| 07:18.13 | msou| | hence me saying having that dual spec :P |
| 07:18.32 | msou| | I got the achievement for doing all heroics in northrend |
| 07:18.49 | Fisker- | so Shirik you know what day it is? |
| 07:18.49 | Grum | well in LFG you can say you can fulfill multiple roles |
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| 07:19.03 | Grum | msou|: hehe that says not much tbh ^^ |
| 07:19.10 | msou| | :( |
| 07:19.19 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
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| 07:19.35 | Grum | i see blue gear :D |
| 07:19.51 | msou| | just rings and trinkets, shoulder and helmet |
| 07:20.03 | msou| | I dinged I think last friday let me check |
| 07:20.07 | msou| | to lvl 80 that is |
| 07:20.09 | Grum | :) |
| 07:20.22 | msou| | 15/5 |
| 07:20.41 | ZorbaTHut | I finally broke 30k HP unbuffed :D |
| 07:20.46 | msou| | not saying it's good gear, decent |
| 07:21.02 | msou| | I think I'm at 19k |
| 07:21.09 | ZorbaTHut | I'm assuming you're not a tan |
| 07:21.11 | ZorbaTHut | tank |
| 07:21.22 | ZorbaTHut | for you, the arbitrary stat of note is probably attack power |
| 07:21.24 | msou| | 19631 |
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| 07:21.29 | ZorbaTHut | or crit maybe |
| 07:22.25 | msou| | yeah, that dude was cretisising me yesterday saying my expertise is low and I should also say exp cause expertise sounds noobish... the guild I join are extremely great except I'm the only one active |
| 07:22.42 | msou| | creticising... |
| 07:22.53 | ZorbaTHut | criticizing :) |
| 07:22.58 | msou| | :( |
| 07:23.08 | msou| | I speak three diff languages everyday |
| 07:23.12 | msou| | :( |
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| 07:23.28 | ZorbaTHut | I speak two, but one of them is Lua and I'm not sure that counts |
| 07:23.33 | msou| | hahah |
| 07:23.50 | msou| | It does count ;) |
| 07:23.53 | ZorbaTHut | in any case, yeah, expertise is good - some people say it's the second thing after hit, though it's not necessarily important enough to focus 100% on |
| 07:24.10 | msou| | I see |
| 07:24.20 | msou| | I focus on strength/stamina and agility lately |
| 07:24.53 | ZorbaTHut | you should probably go dig out a good DK spreadsheet from Elitist Jerks and figure out what you should be concentrating on most |
| 07:25.00 | ZorbaTHut | and a good spreadsheet will show recommended gear upgrades too |
| 07:25.17 | msou| | hmm |
| 07:25.20 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible there's a lot of good craftable, reputation, or boe gear that you could grab |
| 07:25.37 | msou| | oh I got few |
| 07:25.39 | ZorbaTHut | also, enchanting will increase your power quite a bit |
| 07:25.48 | msou| | that helmet enchant from ebon blade and shoulder from WG |
| 07:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | there's more conventional enchanting also |
| 07:26.21 | msou| | don't know from where to be truthful |
| 07:26.27 | ZorbaTHut | every slot besides neck, ring, trinket, and ranged can be enchanted at this point |
| 07:26.35 | ZorbaTHut | (and ring can be if you're an enchanter yourself) |
| 07:26.44 | ZorbaTHut | you find an actual enchanter for some of it |
| 07:26.47 | msou| | I just know those two.. therest for tankers in argent crusade and that temple place in dragonblight |
| 07:26.49 | ZorbaTHut | i.e. a player with the Enchanting profession |
| 07:26.50 | Arrowmaster | ranged can if your a hunter |
| 07:26.59 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, true |
| 07:27.03 | ZorbaTHut | I put a +1 scope on my warrior tanking gun :D |
| 07:27.14 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: I'll ask how much they sell those enchanted rings |
| 07:27.20 | ZorbaTHut | the hunters in the guild hate me, I've got the highest ilevel gun in the entire guild :) |
| 07:27.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah crit and hit scopes nolonger effect melee |
| 07:27.21 | msou| | I don't bother with AH much |
| 07:27.29 | tekkub | ... this run isn't the slightest bit plate-heavy... |
| 07:27.30 | tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3561601021/ |
| 07:27.35 | ZorbaTHut | msou, they can't enchant your rings |
| 07:27.44 | ZorbaTHut | you have to actually be an enchanter to get ring enchants |
| 07:27.46 | msou| | no I mean they make one or some such |
| 07:27.48 | msou| | ohh |
| 07:27.50 | ZorbaTHut | however, they can enchant your other gear |
| 07:28.03 | Wobin | tekkub: you clearly need less druids and hunters and shaman and more paladins |
| 07:28.05 | ZorbaTHut | legs are enchanted by leatherworkers, everything else is enchanted by enchanters |
| 07:28.13 | tekkub | not more pallies |
| 07:28.20 | tekkub | needs some warriors |
| 07:28.21 | Arrowmaster | 12 people? |
| 07:28.23 | msou| | I am thinking about changing my professions it is time consuming mining and blacksmithing "sure it will pay of in the long run" |
| 07:28.23 | tekkub | to balance it out |
| 07:28.23 | ZorbaTHut | and you can get an Eternal Belt Buckle and jam a second gem in your belt. |
| 07:28.33 | tekkub | signups just went up :P |
| 07:28.51 | ZorbaTHut | IMHO, unless you have a mind for business, don't choose profession based on how profitable it'll be |
| 07:28.55 | ZorbaTHut | choose it based on what bonuses you want |
| 07:28.57 | msou| | I got that gem for the belt |
| 07:29.09 | ZorbaTHut | no, get an Eternal Belt Buckle, then you'll be able to put a *second* gem in the belt |
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| 07:29.19 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41611 |
| 07:29.25 | msou| | no I don't care much about the G cause I know how to get some.. dailies and quests + instances |
| 07:29.49 | Arrowmaster | my warlock is a tailor because it used to be a great profession for warlocks |
| 07:29.59 | Arrowmaster | now i just keep it because of the large number of rare patterns i have |
| 07:30.01 | msou| | I just need to know a profession were I can get something out of it and forthe guild as well |
| 07:30.18 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not sure what the best professions for bonuses are |
| 07:30.20 | msou| | Arrowmaster: that flying carpet is rare in'it? |
| 07:30.24 | ZorbaTHut | blacksmithing is quite good, as is jewelcrafting |
| 07:30.36 | tekkub | then you need to ask your guild |
| 07:30.41 | tekkub | what they lack |
| 07:30.50 | Arrowmaster | any tailor with 425 or higher skill can have the carpet |
| 07:30.51 | msou| | yeah, time consuming and I need to look for the zones I should go mining I just run around :/ |
| 07:30.56 | Arrowmaster | nothing is rare anymore |
| 07:31.09 | tekkub | individuality is rare |
| 07:31.13 | msou| | tekkub: we're I think 5 80s if not 4 cannot remember |
| 07:31.18 | msou| | and I am the only one active |
| 07:31.40 | tekkub | then don't worry about the guild? |
| 07:32.07 | tekkub | the "good" stuff is BoP like ring enchants, everything else can be bought off AH... |
| 07:32.15 | tekkub | so, just concern yourself with making money |
| 07:32.17 | msou| | maybe I should, my problem is I don't like to leave a clan/guild even if they're the worse.. been playing with them for a week now and we're all from Finland |
| 07:32.30 | tekkub | and pick a trade whose BoP stuff you like |
| 07:32.35 | ZorbaTHut | I'd say, just concern yourself with getting good bonuses |
| 07:32.42 | ZorbaTHut | unless you have some idea how moneymaking works |
| 07:32.43 | tekkub | I didn't say leave |
| 07:32.51 | ZorbaTHut | if you're not a good businessman, you'll do better with dailies |
| 07:32.55 | tekkub | I'm just saying, don't base your tradeskill choice on them |
| 07:32.56 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: dailies are the best way to go for me =) |
| 07:33.15 | msou| | yeah I do 11-16 a day |
| 07:33.29 | msou| | soon will be doing 25 |
| 07:33.55 | msou| | the one I enjoy the most is fishing hehe |
| 07:34.22 | msou| | which reminds me, have to search for that kaluk's rep to buy that fishing pole from them |
| 07:34.31 | ZorbaTHut | that's a slow one |
| 07:34.33 | ZorbaTHut | 1500 rep per day |
| 07:34.54 | msou| | oh I see |
| 07:35.02 | msou| | they don't have a tabard do they? |
| 07:35.55 | msou| | I'll add the dailies to my list though.. I have to know where's the starting point. yesterday flew around borean tundra, kaskala to see |
| 07:36.05 | msou| | if I can find them.. couldn't remember where they're |
| 07:36.58 | ZorbaTHut | one daily in each tuskarr city |
| 07:37.17 | ZorbaTHut | one in kaskala, one in southern dragonblight, one in I-forget-where off to the east |
| 07:37.35 | msou| | will add them to my list, thanks |
| 07:38.32 | msou| | I need like 100 to be revered or whatever is next friendly |
| 07:39.50 | msou| | honored |
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| 07:41.13 | msou| | is there a way to track dailies by the way? like showing off on your minimap.. I just go to the ones I remember |
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| 07:50.49 | AnduinLothar | gah, this is agrivating... blizzard code is updating the pos of the party pet frames after my state drivers are called |
| 07:51.22 | tekkub | that'll lern you to drive state |
| 07:51.38 | AnduinLothar | how else am i sposed to reanvhor them :'( |
| 07:52.31 | AnduinLothar | it calls it like every event |
| 07:56.15 | Wobin | recreate the frames |
| 07:57.13 | tekkub | well being UFs, you can't really just override the setpoint stuff |
| 07:57.18 | tekkub | so.... you're fucked |
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| 08:02.31 | Fisker- | rages |
| 08:07.37 | Thunder_Child | "Genre: Psychedelic" psychedelic is not a genre |
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| 08:41.23 | mikma | thunder_child: "Genre: Psychedelic" psychedelic is not a genre ... i'm going to stick that it is =D |
| 08:44.05 | Thunder_Child | mikma, psychedelic: producing distorted sensory perceptions and feelings or altered states of awareness or sometimes states resembling psychosis |
| 08:44.38 | mikma | are you talking about music? |
| 08:45.06 | Thunder_Child | i am pointing out the definition of psychedelic |
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| 08:45.42 | Thunder_Child | and why in theory it is possible to do it with an audible tone, we have not yet figured out how |
| 08:45.51 | Thunder_Child | s/why// |
| 08:46.06 | Thunder_Child | oh..i meant while |
| 08:46.17 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 08:46.30 | Fisker- | It's monday now |
| 08:46.32 | Fisker- | (hoho) |
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| 08:58.05 | Wobin | woah. |
| 08:58.27 | Wobin | has what appears to be 8 hours of Neil Gamain reading his book on his ipod now |
| 08:58.40 | Wobin | I didn't quite realise it was that long =P |
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| 09:03.07 | mikma | thunder_child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueFgKYkpSaY&feature=related =D |
| 09:11.41 | Thunder_Child | mikma, that doesnt prove anything |
| 09:12.08 | mikma | thunder_child: it shouldn't, but i still love the genre <3 |
| 09:20.04 | Fisker- | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:24.32 | mikma | tusker- |
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| 09:31.15 | Fisker- | you calling me a tusker-? |
| 09:35.16 | msou| | what's the ability called for rogues that bursts knifes all over |
| 09:36.19 | Kemayo | "Being a Rogue" |
| 09:36.29 | Kemayo | Or, possibly, blade flurry. |
| 09:39.46 | mikma | yes fisker-, i am calling you an assker- |
| 09:40.18 | msou| | Kemayo: blade flurry, thanks |
| 09:44.26 | Fisker- | raaaaage |
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| 10:00.30 | mikma | http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2443336/Gangster-blasts-own-manhood.html |
| 10:03.34 | Torhal | mikma: Fisker- didn't want his true identity revealed... |
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| 10:04.04 | mikma | he's... buttman? |
| 10:04.09 | Torhal | Haha |
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| 10:39.43 | Zootfizzle | ~Fisker--- |
| 10:40.19 | mikma | haha |
| 10:50.15 | Elkano | ~emulate Fisker- |
| 10:50.16 | purl | i guess emulate fisker- is DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER |
| 10:54.09 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 10:54.10 | purl | ACTION is an assclown. |
| 10:55.13 | Elkano | ~emulate Elkano |
| 10:55.39 | Elkano | not saying much... good emulation... ^^ |
| 10:57.35 | zenzelezz | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 10:57.35 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 10:57.47 | Zootfizzle | ~emulate purl |
| 10:57.48 | purl | Mwhaha, fear my spam! |
| 10:58.04 | Zootfizzle | 6/10 |
| 10:58.16 | zenzelezz | ~emulate Zootfizzle |
| 10:59.12 | mikma | ~emulate bender |
| 10:59.13 | purl | Bite my shiny, metal ass! |
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| 11:00.08 | zenzelezz | ~emulate windows |
| 11:00.09 | purl | ACTION steals your wallet, then straps an anchor to your neck |
| 11:00.35 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 11:02.18 | mikma | ~emulate farnsworth |
| 11:02.18 | purl | Good news everyone! |
| 11:02.52 | Zootfizzle | I wonder if ~emulate zenzelezz will eventually result in purl trying to emulate something. |
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| 11:03.27 | zenzelezz | doubt it |
| 11:03.33 | zenzelezz | ~literal emulate zenzelezz |
| 11:03.34 | purl | "emulate zenzelezz" is "<reply> OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT!" |
| 11:03.57 | zenzelezz | ~factinfo emulate zenzelezz |
| 11:03.58 | purl | emulate zenzelezz -- last modified at Tue Oct 2 20:00:46 2007 by JoshBorke!n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu; it has been requested 6 times, last by zenzelezz, 6m 23s ago. |
| 11:04.19 | zenzelezz | funky |
| 11:05.17 | Fisker- | thanks Zootfizzle :3 |
| 11:06.59 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/kuolema_animessa.jpg |
| 11:07.58 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/redneck_eggs.jpg |
| 11:09.19 | Fisker- | TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DAMAGE |
| 11:10.11 | Fisker- | Zootfizzle do you guys have soundproof walls btw? |
| 11:10.48 | Zootfizzle | The only reason I can't hear what's happening on the opposite side of the building is because I can hear everything in-between. |
| 11:11.18 | Zootfizzle | The audio cinematics booth is directly below my desk. |
| 11:11.37 | Zootfizzle | The one time we had an earthquake I thought it was the StarCraft 2 cinematic. |
| 11:11.46 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 11:11.47 | Zootfizzle | My officemates had to yell at me to get under my desk |
| 11:11.50 | Zootfizzle | So the answer is no :P |
| 11:12.13 | Zootfizzle | But I love our office anyway :) |
| 11:12.16 | mikma | duck, and cover. haha |
| 11:12.42 | nevcairiel | earthquakes are fun for the whole family |
| 11:12.55 | Zootfizzle | I'm happy that we're getting lots of small ones |
| 11:13.05 | Zootfizzle | At varying depths |
| 11:13.14 | Fisker- | And after the earthquake Dustin Browder yelled "TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DAMAGE" |
| 11:13.16 | nevcairiel | I'm happy that we don't get any |
| 11:14.54 | mikma | zootfizzle: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/yodawg.jpg |
| 11:16.41 | Wobin | I'd forgotten just how cool audiobooks are |
| 11:17.09 | mikma | i'm forgetting how cool you used to be |
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| 11:18.00 | Wobin | Good to know the drugs are finally wearing off |
| 11:18.14 | Wobin | anyway, this is -Neil Gaiman- reading his books |
| 11:18.19 | mikma | is still cool man |
| 11:18.21 | Wobin | You can't get much cooler than that |
| 11:19.22 | mikma | yes you can, if you get james earl jones to read the books |
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| 11:31.03 | Exawatt | Anyone alive at this hour? I'm a little confused about Rested XP accumulation... |
| 11:32.25 | foxlit | I hear you need to ask a more detailed question to raise the dead. |
| 11:32.40 | Wobin | waving a chicken helps too |
| 11:32.46 | Arrowmaster | ~asktoask |
| 11:32.46 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 11:36.01 | Legorol | Exawatt: what exactly is your question? |
| 11:36.59 | foxlit | braaaaaaiiiiiiiinssssssss.... |
| 11:37.08 | Legorol | The rested XP bar moves at a linear rate when a) you are logged out b) when you are "resting" in an inn or other area that displays the Zzzz icon. The rate for a) and b) are different. |
| 11:37.24 | Exawatt | Well, rested XP is supposed to go to "30 bubbles" (~1.5 levels), but it doesn't mention that the bubbles are different amounts in each level. So, is it 30 bubbles of your current level, or what? |
| 11:37.42 | Hjalte | likes bubbles |
| 11:37.43 | durcyn | it's 150% of the experience needed to gain the next level |
| 11:38.01 | Kaso | each bubble is 5% of a level |
| 11:38.18 | Kaso | if you dont feel like doing tha maths ;p |
| 11:38.20 | Legorol | phrasing it in Exawatt's terminology, that'd make it the equivalent of 30 bubbles of your current XP bar |
| 11:38.32 | Exawatt | That's what I was looking for. |
| 11:38.53 | Exawatt | It just seems weird, because I would think of that as less than 150% (more like 130% or whatever the loss would be). |
| 11:39.05 | Legorol | in other words, it will not be up to halfway of two levels above you |
| 11:42.15 | Exawatt | Okay, I have a follow-up: If I need 1 XP to level when each bubble is, say, 1000 XP (19999/20000); full rested would mean 30000 XP? But when I got to that next level, the bubbles become, say 2000 XP each (40000 total to level), the new maximum would be 60000 rested XP? |
| 11:42.42 | Legorol | no, the maximum is not recaculated |
| 11:43.26 | foxlit | moo? |
| 11:43.42 | Legorol | using your example: if you need 1 xp in your current level (let's say level 20), and the XP bar at level 20 is 1000 XP per bubble, then your rested XP bar will be set at 30000 XP counting from where you are now |
| 11:43.55 | Legorol | that'll put it somewhere between quarter and halfway into level 22 |
| 11:43.59 | foxlit | And the new maximum would be 60000 rested XP. |
| 11:44.11 | durcyn | the bar is an abstraction, forget about the bar |
| 11:44.22 | durcyn | rested = total to next level * 1.5 |
| 11:44.26 | durcyn | always. |
| 11:44.28 | Legorol | i like to think about it in terms of the bar though |
| 11:44.36 | Legorol | since the bar is a fixed point on the xp line that never moves |
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| 11:45.06 | Legorol | if you think of concatenating all XP bars, to form one single long bar, the rested xp indicator thingy defines a point on that long bar |
| 11:45.31 | durcyn | demarcated by actual numbers =P |
| 11:45.54 | Exawatt | I understand how it's used up, just not the cap formula. |
| 11:46.18 | Legorol | but we already said what the cap formula is: 1.5*current total XP required |
| 11:46.21 | Legorol | going back to your example |
| 11:46.47 | Legorol | as long as you are at level 20, on 19999/20000 and you don't gain XP, the rested point caps out at 30000 XP into the next level |
| 11:46.59 | durcyn | Exawatt: experience is cumulative. if level 1 is attained at 100 total xp and level 2 is 200 total xp, then the difference is 100, *1.5 is 150, or 250 total xp, or half a level past the next. |
| 11:47.01 | Exawatt | But when I level? |
| 11:47.02 | Legorol | using the example you came up with, that'd cap it 3/4 of the way into level 21 |
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| 11:47.22 | Legorol | when you level up, the rested XP point doesn't suddenly move, it stays where it was |
| 11:47.28 | Legorol | you just suddenly gain the ability to accummulate more |
| 11:47.35 | Exawatt | That's what I was asking about. |
| 11:47.39 | durcyn | he's asking about the cap, not what happens to the current amount |
| 11:47.41 | Exawatt | Where does that cap move to. |
| 11:47.46 | Exawatt | Right. |
| 11:47.49 | Legorol | right |
| 11:47.54 | durcyn | it 'moves' halfway through the next level ;) |
| 11:48.02 | Legorol | durcyn: no it doesn't |
| 11:48.22 | Legorol | it's calculated based on the current level's XP requirements, so most likely not reach halfway the next level |
| 11:48.26 | Exawatt | But it's not really "half-way", is it? |
| 11:48.28 | durcyn | you're talking about effing bars again, aren't you |
| 11:48.30 | Exawatt | Yeah. |
| 11:48.40 | durcyn | christ. |
| 11:48.54 | Exawatt | That "Yeah." was to Legorol |
| 11:49.12 | Legorol | if the current level requires 10000 XP and the next level requires 50000 XP (unlikely scenario), the cap will be way less than halfway through the next level |
| 11:49.36 | Exawatt | Okay, that's what I was confused about. |
| 11:49.45 | Exawatt | So the cap moves with each level. |
| 11:49.51 | Legorol | that's how i understand it |
| 11:49.57 | Legorol | durcyn will correct me if i'm wrong :) |
| 11:50.03 | durcyn | oh, right, my example assumed the differences between levels were static |
| 11:50.10 | Legorol | but they are not |
| 11:50.13 | Legorol | they increase |
| 11:50.18 | durcyn | an extra 50% on top of the next is relatively less as you go up, yes |
| 11:50.30 | Exawatt | Okay, cool. |
| 11:50.53 | durcyn | but i still don't understand why you want to think of it graphically instead of numerically |
| 11:50.56 | foxlit | But it all becomes silly anyway |
| 11:51.00 | durcyn | your brain is broken. |
| 11:51.15 | Legorol | durcyn: because most players don't look at the actual numbers on their XP bars |
| 11:51.16 | foxlit | Since past 60, your major source of XP is quests, and they do not deplete rested bonus |
| 11:51.28 | Legorol | they think in relativistic terms, in terms of fraction of level |
| 11:51.41 | Legorol | which, as it happens, is more practical, because XP gain per mob goes up as well |
| 11:51.46 | Exawatt | I was just using the "bubbles" as a reference point, since that's what the Blizzard page does. |
| 11:51.51 | foxlit | Therefore, your 150% of total XP required to level will last you for far more than < 1.5 levels. |
| 11:52.18 | Legorol | foxlit: that's an additional complication that doesn't directly pertain to the question ;) |
| 11:52.23 | Exawatt | ^ |
| 11:52.58 | Legorol | anyhoo, i think we covered the question from all angles |
| 11:53.11 | foxlit | back to the graves? |
| 11:53.16 | Exawatt | Indeed, I am very gracious for the help. |
| 11:53.20 | Legorol | yes, you can have your brainssss now foxlit |
| 11:53.52 | Legorol | a minor confusion in the discussion was caused by durcyn thinking of XP in terms of total cumulative XP from level 0, whereas in practice players think of it in terms of the delta between levels |
| 11:54.33 | Exawatt | Isn't the delta what's shown? Not just graphically, but numerically on the tooltip, as well? |
| 11:54.37 | airtonix | what are you listening to wobin? |
| 11:54.51 | durcyn | Exawatt: on the default bar, yeah. what kind of person uses that, though? =P |
| 11:55.15 | Exawatt | Me, I guess... I was "improving" it, though... Hence this discussion. :P |
| 11:58.08 | Legorol | durcyn: i'd imagine the vast majority of WoW players... you are the weird one if you display total XP ;) |
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| 11:59.53 | airtonix | luke warm isn't an admiral attribute, so excluding those who are fiery hot and announcing them to be 'wierd' is hardly a valid approach |
| 12:00.33 | airtonix | apathy and ambilivance do not make you cool |
| 12:05.39 | foxlit | I wonder if Blizzard uses a different variant of the uncommon color against a light background |
| 12:09.35 | Wobin | airtonix: The Graveyard Book |
| 12:12.26 | foxlit | Changelog: "Rings may now contain rings as slices" |
| 12:12.32 | foxlit | I'm so not winning any clarity awards. |
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| 12:31.37 | Exawatt | The "UPDATE_FACTION" event doesn't have any information attached? That seems odd... |
| 12:32.16 | foxlit | If that's true, it's not the only event which uses that style |
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| 13:22.22 | Gnarfoz | <durcyn> oh, right, my example assumed the differences between levels were static |
| 13:22.25 | Gnarfoz | <+Legorol> but they are not |
| 13:22.28 | Gnarfoz | <+Legorol> they increase |
| 13:22.29 | Gnarfoz | from 70-80 they stay mostly the same |
| 13:22.30 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
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| 13:33.33 | p3lim | mikma: , wtf? |
| 13:39.30 | Kraps | wow... http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/17367877391-thorns-nerf.html |
| 13:39.51 | Elkano | yeah :8 |
| 13:40.15 | Elkano | was fun to do quite some damage in arenas without doing anything ^^ |
| 13:41.15 | Kraps | 27 damage per hit is "quite some damage"? |
| 13:45.19 | nevcairiel | with spellpower you did alot of dmg =p |
| 13:46.38 | Elkano | yeah, best was about 20k in a 2on2 arena without attacking myself ^^ |
| 13:46.38 | Kraps | thorns scaled? |
| 13:46.50 | Kraps | wow |
| 13:46.55 | Elkano | and withouth having pend talent points on them |
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| 14:07.54 | Lothaer | hey any devs on? |
| 14:08.09 | Lothaer | more so wowi admins/mods |
| 14:08.52 | |Jelly| | Shirik is hiding! He's still scared of the terrifying kneecapping I gave him earlier this week! ... or later last week! |
| 14:09.44 | Lothaer | that was quick the post was removed :D |
| 14:09.45 | Lothaer | awesome |
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| 14:15.22 | Lothaer | hey jnwiteh |
| 14:16.38 | jnwhiteh | Lothaer: Whats up |
| 14:16.44 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.57 | Lothaer | you got moderation rights on wowi? |
| 14:17.07 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 14:17.19 | jnwhiteh | alestane: I was configuring my proxy |
| 14:17.23 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=138295&posted=1#post138295 |
| 14:17.25 | jnwhiteh | upgraded to the new version of znc |
| 14:17.29 | Lothaer | Mordreade needs a slap :D |
| 14:27.01 | jnwhiteh | workign on a response now. |
| 14:27.10 | jnwhiteh | tho i hate that i'll have to pay attention to this thread |
| 14:27.16 | foxlit | Forums need to stop you from editing other people's quotes. |
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| 14:27.35 | foxlit | Or, at least, make it explicit that you did. |
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| 14:28.41 | |Jelly| | Question: Short of the premium account stuff, what's so wrong with Curse's updater? I've never had a single issue with it. :-\ |
| 14:29.12 | nevcairiel | nothing |
| 14:29.15 | Lothaer | sorry Jn |
| 14:29.15 | nevcairiel | people are just dumb |
| 14:29.29 | |Jelly| | Ahh. That's what I assumed. |
| 14:31.38 | jnwhiteh | The Curse Client is just that, a client for Curse.com. Part of the big problem is people don't like having to use two different program to update to two different sites |
| 14:31.56 | jnwhiteh | And there are too many addons that publish only one one or the other (which is totally the author's choice) |
| 14:32.08 | jnwhiteh | That's why some people are _hoping_ that curse writes a module for Minion |
| 14:32.22 | nevcairiel | I'm not seeing that =P |
| 14:33.09 | Pneumatus | nor me |
| 14:33.29 | jnwhiteh | What do you mean you're not seeing that? |
| 14:33.35 | nevcairiel | happen |
| 14:33.37 | Pneumatus | seeing as it would be reverse-engineerable as its java, so it would expose how they authenticate |
| 14:33.37 | jnwhiteh | As in you're not having the problem, or you're not seeing people report the problem? |
| 14:34.00 | jnwhiteh | Relying on black box for authentication is not a very good idea =/ |
| 14:34.14 | jnwhiteh | security by obscurity is not security |
| 14:34.47 | Pneumatus | i'm sure curse's security isn't by obscurity, but having readable source isnt going to make their lives any easier for people wanting a free ride |
| 14:35.02 | nevcairiel | The problem is not that its security by obscurity, its that they want/have to stop other clients from logging into the download server |
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| 14:35.35 | jnwhiteh | I'm sure Shirik would be more than happy to show Curse how he went about doing things for the WowI module |
| 14:36.09 | Pneumatus | its not like Curse and Zam get on, is it :P |
| 14:36.14 | jnwhiteh | If they go through the trouble of reverse engineering his key, he changes it.. simple enough |
| 14:36.21 | Fisker- | Well curse came up with the module idea anyways |
| 14:36.25 | Fisker- | so they're probably gonna do it |
| 14:36.26 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: huh? |
| 14:36.37 | nevcairiel | fisker has no idea, like usual =P |
| 14:36.54 | Fisker- | no u |
| 14:37.02 | Pneumatus | i can't see Curse wanting to add value to a leading competitors product from a business point of view |
| 14:37.02 | Fisker- | the module for updaters idea is older than your mom |
| 14:37.23 | jnwhiteh | no one is claiming ownership of the idea |
| 14:37.24 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 14:37.25 | jnwhiteh | duuur |
| 14:37.32 | Fisker- | And one of the goals for the curse client was to implement support for such modules |
| 14:37.36 | jnwhiteh | but there's actually support in the client for Minion |
| 14:37.41 | jnwhiteh | but they haven't done it |
| 14:37.43 | jnwhiteh | so... |
| 14:37.56 | Pneumatus | people just need to stop with the qq and realise that multiple updaters isn't the end of the world |
| 14:38.05 | Fisker- | ye |
| 14:38.14 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: If the product is the site and not the updater.. and the updater enforces the premium restrictions of the curse client.. I fail to see how that's an issue |
| 14:38.28 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
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| 14:39.19 | Pneumatus | i just hope minion will suitably allow users to ignore addons they update from another source, and not wreck addon directories with metadata |
| 14:39.35 | jnwhiteh | no metadata goes in the addons directory |
| 14:39.59 | jnwhiteh | and there are per-module ignores and other stuff, as far as I'm aware |
| 14:40.04 | jnwhiteh | I guess we'll all see O.o |
| 14:40.19 | jnwhiteh | I'm waiting for someone to start the site that compiles all the other freely available addons into one place |
| 14:40.22 | jnwhiteh | that gets a module written for it |
| 14:40.27 | jnwhiteh | that if nothing else would be nice. |
| 14:41.11 | Fisker- | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=874748 <-haha durr |
| 14:42.31 | jnwhiteh | heheh |
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| 15:22.51 | Kraps | my dads gonna kill me, i made him buy 10 blank dvds for nothing :/ |
| 15:23.28 | mikma | oh you bad little warez monkey |
| 15:24.52 | haste | why would he kill you for that? |
| 15:25.00 | haste | not like 10 blank dvds are expensive :p |
| 15:25.18 | Kraps | long story |
| 15:25.36 | mikma | so... |
| 15:25.46 | mikma | you just wanted to let us know that you will die, but not telling why |
| 15:25.50 | mikma | mmkay, cool.. |
| 15:26.36 | zenzelezz | his father found out he could download his own porn |
| 15:26.38 | End | ~whalenuke Kraps |
| 15:26.39 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Kraps with his mind powers. |
| 15:26.44 | End | problem solved |
| 15:26.50 | Kraps | need to copy a dvd so i told him i need blank dvds, but i fount a way to clip the dvd so i only need cds |
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| 15:28.07 | mikma | are you like 14? |
| 15:28.59 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.29 | Kraps | he just cant stand being beholden to computer |
| 15:29.31 | Kraps | s |
| 15:29.42 | Kraps | so he overreacts |
| 15:29.57 | mikma | then buy your own dvd's? |
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| 15:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ little warez monkey |
| 15:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | get a proper encrypted external hard drive =] |
| 15:32.56 | p3lim | ~seen tekkub |
| 15:32.58 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7h 35m 40s ago, saying: 'so.... you're fucked'. |
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| 15:33.59 | Kraps | its a camcorder dvd not a movie or something like that |
| 15:36.18 | mikma | that's messed up.. lowlevel character *HITS* hit (miss/parry/anything that doesn't actually touch you) and Path of frost goes off |
| 15:36.38 | mikma | every time mob even tries to attack, it goes off |
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| 15:36.44 | Kraps | also why do i have to keep being reminded that i'm banned from the forums? |
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| 15:37.24 | Xerkes | Anyone encountered an error lately with Lil Sparky + Auctioneer as an inscriptioner? |
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| 15:56.09 | Hirsute-Home | Xerkes: No. If you're getting a specific error, I can try to help you with it though. jump back over into #norganna |
| 15:58.36 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 15:58.37 | purl | purl is an assclown. |
| 15:58.44 | mikma | haha |
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| 16:04.51 | Kraps | thats one load off me :) firefly tiem |
| 16:06.32 | Industrial | firefly++ |
| 16:06.52 | Kraps | oh yes |
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| 16:25.27 | Roofel | Hmm, anyone know how I can get an event only to trigger when someone in your raid cast a spell? I got the spell things figured out, but how to limit it only to the raid and not everyone nearby :P |
| 16:26.10 | jnwhiteh | srcFlags |
| 16:26.15 | zenzelezz | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED's flags should contain a value that says if they're in your raid |
| 16:26.23 | jnwhiteh | unit flags contain whether or not they are in your raid/party |
| 16:26.43 | Roofel | Hmm, okey ;) |
| 16:26.50 | Roofel | reading up on those then |
| 16:27.29 | zenzelezz | do funtions that take a unitId also accept GUIDs? |
| 16:28.10 | alestane | zenzelezz: Not most of them. |
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| 16:30.22 | Roofel | "COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_RAID0x00000004" is for raids I presume :P |
| 16:30.39 | Roofel | Do I have to include the GUID or just the COMBAT_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_RAID part? |
| 16:30.49 | Iriel | And when they do, its only for units you have a unitid relationship to in most cases |
| 16:32.21 | nevcairiel | there are any functions that accept the GUID? |
| 16:32.24 | jnwhiteh | !api IsA |
| 16:32.24 | lua_bot | Found 39 possible matches for 'IsA'. Please be more specific |
| 16:32.28 | jnwhiteh | !api _IsA |
| 16:32.28 | lua_bot | CombatLog_Object_IsA: Returns whether an entity from the combat log matches a given filter (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CombatLog_Object_IsA) |
| 16:32.34 | nevcairiel | i never bothered to try =P |
| 16:32.37 | jnwhiteh | Roofel: use this ^^ |
| 16:32.40 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: not that I know of, no |
| 16:33.53 | Iriel | I think a couple of those that support the combat log mouseover/click do |
| 16:34.17 | jnwhiteh | I'd be interested in seeing what ones |
| 16:34.44 | Iriel | they're so limited as to be useless for anything else tho |
| 16:35.02 | jnwhiteh | my house is still without poewr |
| 16:35.03 | jnwhiteh | = |
| 16:35.07 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 16:35.36 | Gnarfoz | yay for crappy elictricity? |
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| 16:37.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yowch, jnwhiteh. Did you blow it up or something? |
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| 16:38.32 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:38.34 | jnwhiteh | it just died earlier |
| 16:38.35 | jnwhiteh | =< |
| 16:38.57 | Roofel | Hmm jnwhiteh, It still doesnt say a way to get it only to trigger the rest of the function if it is a part of the raid... |
| 16:39.13 | jnwhiteh | use an if statement |
| 16:39.27 | Roofel | This is what I have at the moment |
| 16:39.34 | Roofel | "if (event=="COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" and destFlags=="COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_RAID") then" |
| 16:39.39 | Roofel | Tried changing it to the Hex value |
| 16:39.41 | Roofel | but still nothing :P |
| 16:39.51 | jnwhiteh | becausae what you wrote doesn't amke sense |
| 16:39.55 | jnwhiteh | destFlags is not a string, its a number |
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| 16:39.57 | Roofel | Hmm, true |
| 16:40.00 | Roofel | yes |
| 16:40.03 | jnwhiteh | and COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_RAID is also a number |
| 16:40.07 | jnwhiteh | they will not be the same number |
| 16:40.10 | jnwhiteh | its a bit-mask |
| 16:40.48 | Roofel | As I clicked on "destFlags" here: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Base_Parameters |
| 16:41.04 | Roofel | and I got redirected to the "UnitFlag" part :P |
| 16:41.10 | Roofel | There I found the raid and such >.< |
| 16:41.29 | jnwhiteh | try if event == "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" and (bit.band(destFlags, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_RAID) > 0) then |
| 16:42.17 | Roofel | testing it now :P |
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| 16:43.17 | AckisWork | hey Fisker- |
| 16:43.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, don't wake him up! |
| 16:43.58 | AckisWork | oh I have to |
| 16:44.03 | AckisWork | we've been challenged |
| 16:44.15 | AckisWork | someone in this room said that he was stronger than Fisker- and I combined. |
| 16:44.35 | Lopeppeppy | You all smell equally badly, the three of you, case closed. |
| 16:44.40 | AckisWork | lol |
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| 16:45.56 | AckisWork | so apparently I have a drug dealer living two houses down from us |
| 16:46.16 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 16:46.20 | jnwhiteh | get in on the business |
| 16:46.27 | AckisWork | nah |
| 16:46.32 | AckisWork | the weed makes me and the gf cough |
| 16:46.36 | AckisWork | can't open our windows |
| 16:47.23 | Lopeppeppy | Call the cops? |
| 16:48.51 | Bruners | AckisWork: ask him for $ or else you will call the cops on him |
| 16:49.18 | zenzelezz | the answer to all your problems is in Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels |
| 16:50.14 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I just did about 30 mins ago :( |
| 16:50.20 | AckisWork | imma good neighbour eh? |
| 16:51.04 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: maybe you can buy something cheaper from him if you don't report? :( |
| 16:51.37 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 16:52.03 | AckisWork | it's funny though, my cats are potheads |
| 16:52.12 | AckisWork | when we have the window opened, they're both up there sniffing the weed |
| 16:52.45 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:53.20 | zenzelezz | AckisWork: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/09/08/dude-3/ |
| 16:53.22 | Bruners | how much weed is this dude smoking really? |
| 16:53.52 | AckisWork | Bruners: a lot |
| 16:54.27 | AckisWork | everytime we open the window and hte wind blows from his house to ours our living room gets hotboxed |
| 16:54.49 | Stanzilla | I would totally stand at the open window all the time |
| 16:54.51 | Stanzilla | free weed! |
| 16:55.04 | nevcairiel | i knew Stanzilla was a pothead |
| 16:55.11 | Stanzilla | ;/ |
| 16:55.28 | zenzelezz | <Free Felweed> |
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| 17:24.36 | End | Is UnitIsFeignDeath() supposed to work with "player"? |
| 17:27.18 | zenzelezz | think so |
| 17:27.23 | Kraps | pve as arms is pretty good |
| 17:27.52 | End | hm, well, it's not working :P |
| 17:28.08 | zenzelezz | thought it did for me |
| 17:28.17 | zenzelezz | don't have my hunter anymore though, so can't check |
| 17:31.27 | End | ah well |
| 17:31.34 | End | I'll just check for the buff |
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| 17:47.03 | Zhinjio | g'mornin |
| 17:47.12 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 17:49.59 | Adys | all we want to do is eat your grain~ |
| 17:50.11 | sioraiocht | as an enhancement shaman, what use is lava burst? |
| 17:50.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon ticket contests: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23763 & http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ | "is Fisker- actually having a meaningful discussion?" - Shirik |
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| 17:54.48 | mikma | long topic is long |
| 17:55.04 | Adys | because size matters |
| 17:55.44 | mikma | "she likes them huge, i like them enormous." |
| 17:55.52 | Fisker- | i'm 20" unbuffed |
| 17:56.13 | mikma | ss or it didn't happen |
| 17:56.15 | Pneumatus | sioraiocht: lavaburst when you have an instant from maelstrom perhaps? |
| 17:56.17 | Cairenn | AckisWork: if u r sorry, fixit |
| 17:56.40 | AckisWork | I am! |
| 17:56.44 | AckisWork | I didn't get thta far yet |
| 17:56.47 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:56.57 | AckisWork | (was seeing if I can squeek another banana into it |
| 17:57.16 | mikma | sioraiocht: well lava burst ain't that useful for enchancement |
| 17:58.09 | zenzelezz | looks like you accidentally hit 0 there Fisker- |
| 17:58.18 | Shirik | Pneumatus: Your argument is completely invalid |
| 17:58.33 | sioraiocht | okay |
| 17:58.35 | Shirik | C++ or C or whatever is just as invalid, moreso if it's .NET |
| 17:58.40 | sioraiocht | mikma: just making sure |
| 17:58.41 | Shirik | er |
| 17:58.55 | Shirik | s/invalid/reverse engineerable/ |
| 17:59.29 | mikma | sioraiocht: it really needs flame shock at the mob before there is any benefit from it. and yet it does low damage without proper talents |
| 18:00.05 | Pneumatus | aside from the fact that ones only one of my arguments, it's not completely invalid as it's a damn site easier to return Java to source than C/C++ |
| 18:00.34 | zenzelezz | "New Scientist reports that instead of identifying chemicals that could point to life, NASA's robot explorers may have been toasting them by mistake" -- heh |
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| 18:06.16 | Shirik | Pneumatus: I disagree |
| 18:06.24 | Kraps | can i wear hateful and deadly rings at the same time? |
| 18:06.30 | Shirik | I have very little problem turning C or C++ into something readable, and do it quite frequently |
| 18:07.03 | Shirik | it is also extremely easy to make impossible to read java |
| 18:07.13 | Shirik | s/impossible/difficult/ |
| 18:07.16 | Shirik | even in source |
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| 18:07.59 | Shirik | C++ doesn't have a reflection API, for obvious reasons, to name but one example |
| 18:08.25 | kmcguire | What is a pretty good buf addon. Something to easily show me the bufs everyone has besides just below the portrait and even my own good and bad bufs? |
| 18:10.03 | Shirik | well for my own buffs I've always been partial to elkbuffbars |
| 18:10.09 | Shirik | but today I just use grid and default buff frame |
| 18:10.37 | kmcguire | Ok, I will get elkbuffbars and check it out and maybe grid too. |
| 18:10.51 | Shirik | grid is not a buff addon fyi :) |
| 18:11.11 | Adys | flash is starting to get integrated in linux chromium builds |
| 18:11.12 | kmcguire | haha <- retard |
| 18:13.22 | kmcguire | I like it. If it will show bufs on target then I will love it. |
| 18:13.27 | kmcguire | bbl |
| 18:13.52 | AckisWork | aight what's the best way to scan a tooltip from a vendor... do I parse the lines and do different things depending on the line, or do I go 1 by 1 and deal with expected output of hte line? (aka first is a for loop, second is just an iteration) |
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| 18:14.34 | kmcguire | I got it /ebb config. |
| 18:17.06 | Kraps | hoe does a training dummy dodge? /sigh |
| 18:17.07 | Fisker- | previously on Shirik: late at making programs |
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| 18:18.21 | Adys | ohloh is fun to browse |
| 18:18.33 | Adys | particularly project cost estimations |
| 18:19.31 | Adys | it estimates over $22.7 million project cost for chromium (http://www.ohloh.net/p/chrome) |
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| 18:20.09 | Adys | and $838.3K for firefox (http://www.ohloh.net/p/firefox) |
| 18:21.31 | nevcairiel | only? thats pretty low |
| 18:21.41 | Adys | thats pretty high for how shitty it is |
| 18:22.00 | Adys | also firefox is "Mostly written in Javascript" |
| 18:22.03 | Fisker- | highfives Adys |
| 18:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | My cat is going to drive me nuts. |
| 18:23.02 | Adys | there are more contributors registered to ohloh participating in chromium than firefox |
| 18:23.05 | Adys | that too is impressive |
| 18:23.46 | Shirik | Adys? |
| 18:23.51 | Adys | yes sweetie |
| 18:23.59 | Shirik | (11:22:08) (Adys) also firefox is "Mostly written in Javascript" |
| 18:24.17 | Adys | its "true" |
| 18:24.18 | Shirik | Adys, what kind of projects are on that site? |
| 18:24.30 | Adys | it sniffs a lot of project sites |
| 18:24.33 | Adys | like google code etc |
| 18:24.42 | Shirik | what about commercial products |
| 18:24.50 | Adys | only open source stuff |
| 18:24.59 | Adys | (obviously) |
| 18:25.10 | Shirik | boo |
| 18:25.24 | Shirik | I wanted to see its estimates for ScanEagle |
| 18:26.20 | Adys | Im trying to find what language ohloh is written in |
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| 18:26.52 | AckisWork | Shirik: I found ace on that site |
| 18:26.54 | Adys | Ruby |
| 18:26.56 | Adys | figures |
| 18:28.13 | Xinhuan | in other words, ohloh is just generating random numbers? |
| 18:28.38 | Dashkal | wowace: http://www.ohloh.net/p/4590 |
| 18:29.40 | Adys | go and submit links |
| 18:30.26 | Adys | http://www.ohloh.net/p/firefox/factoids/1548284 |
| 18:30.40 | Primer | Is there some new way to suppress error texts in macros? |
| 18:31.00 | Primer | it seems that the old crap I had isn't working any more |
| 18:31.20 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.20 | Adys | This is one of the largest open-source teams in the world, and is in the top 2% of all project teams on Ohloh. |
| 18:31.36 | Primer | namely /script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE") |
| 18:31.44 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:31.52 | Xinhuan | yep, Adys, definitely random numbers lol |
| 18:31.54 | Dashkal | At a guess, those figures came from the fact that wowace was an open repo |
| 18:32.06 | Adys | Xinhuan: I think it accounts all the addons using ace etc |
| 18:32.19 | Adys | Over the past twelve months, 22 developers contributed new code to Mozilla Firefox. |
| 18:32.19 | Adys | This is a relatively large team, putting this project among the top 10% of all project teams on Ohloh. |
| 18:32.20 | Xinhuan | even if it does, its wildly off |
| 18:32.21 | Adys | Holy fuck |
| 18:32.29 | Adys | 22 devs only |
| 18:32.42 | Dashkal | If you look at the old repo as a single project, it had an amazing level of activity. |
| 18:32.43 | Adys | i knew it was bad last time i saw but.. |
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| 18:33.10 | Xinhuan | it doesn't matter, but things like |
| 18:33.18 | Xinhuan | "This is one of the largest open-source teams in the world" sounds like bullshit to me ;p |
| 18:33.42 | Adys | 508 devs is a LOT |
| 18:33.49 | Xinhuan | there's more than 508 authors |
| 18:33.49 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: the old repo had a very large number of people with commit access as compared to the "average" |
| 18:33.51 | Xinhuan | i bet |
| 18:34.04 | Adys | you'd be sure? |
| 18:34.19 | Xinhuan | i'd think so |
| 18:34.26 | Xinhuan | it says i have 308 commits or so |
| 18:34.41 | jaxdahl | 22 people with commit access to the firefox repo? |
| 18:34.48 | Adys | no jax |
| 18:34.51 | jaxdahl | i'm sure it can't count everyone downstream |
| 18:34.52 | Adys | theres like 150 |
| 18:35.01 | Adys | but its been declining a LOT |
| 18:35.34 | Adys | $ 40,960,579 est. for wowace |
| 18:35.42 | Xinhuan | i think firefox 3.5 is going to be out soon? |
| 18:35.55 | Adys | yes soon |
| 18:36.06 | Adys | 3.6 will have very little changes, its in alpha already |
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| 18:36.27 | Dashkal | firefox really isn't that big new thing anymore. It more or less just works now. Doesn't need as many people. (Not saying it couldn't use more blood, that's a different issue). |
| 18:36.39 | Adys | its old Dashkal |
| 18:36.47 | Dashkal | exactly |
| 18:36.49 | Adys | theres a very, very big problem with that |
| 18:36.55 | Adys | it attempts to promote new technologies |
| 18:37.03 | Adys | but has extremely old code and long-standing bugs |
| 18:37.22 | Xinhuan | firefox3 isn't that old |
| 18:37.26 | Dashkal | Fixing that kind of thing isn't nearly as fun as developing the "next big thing" |
| 18:37.27 | Xinhuan | has it even been a year? |
| 18:37.50 | Adys | Xinhuan: theres still code from the 90s left deep down integrated |
| 18:37.55 | Adys | and impossible to get rid of |
| 18:38.07 | Dashkal | It's software. No such thing as impossible. |
| 18:38.15 | Adys | course its not impossible |
| 18:38.19 | Adys | recode from scratch |
| 18:38.20 | Adys | tuh-dah |
| 18:38.28 | Adys | except then you get something like chrome |
| 18:39.07 | Adys | what's the point really? the only decent thing in firefox is the UI, and only under windows |
| 18:39.34 | Xinhuan | chrome uses more memory than firefox, because it uses 1 process per tab |
| 18:39.37 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 18:40.12 | Dashkal | Heh, that's one of the features I like. I like getting my memory back when I kill the youtube tabs |
| 18:40.12 | Adys | I had a total of 80mb memory used by chrome on something like 15 tabs last i tested on windows |
| 18:40.34 | Adys | firefox, i start it up, its 150mb right off the bat with about:blank and no plugin loaded |
| 18:40.38 | Dashkal | The overhead is worth it not to have to kill the browser entirely when I've been doing lots of flash stuff. |
| 18:40.39 | nevcairiel | does chrome have a final version with a plugin interface yet? |
| 18:40.51 | Adys | yes nev |
| 18:40.58 | nevcairiel | a final release version? |
| 18:41.01 | Adys | 2.0 has a plugin interface, but its primitive still |
| 18:41.03 | Adys | yes |
| 18:41.10 | nevcairiel | i don#t mean that silly js interface |
| 18:41.16 | nevcairiel | they were talking about a real plugin system |
| 18:41.16 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: don't be silly, this is google. Everything is always beta :p |
| 18:41.20 | nevcairiel | which was in alpha |
| 18:41.24 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 18:41.28 | nevcairiel | after 2.0 |
| 18:41.36 | Adys | dev channel is the way to go atm if you want to write plugins |
| 18:41.43 | Adys | and i mean addons |
| 18:42.01 | nevcairiel | addons .. plugins .. just synonyms =P |
| 18:42.11 | Dashkal | bundle! |
| 18:42.15 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: no |
| 18:42.21 | Adys | the plugin interface is complete under windows, almost complete under mac os |
| 18:42.24 | Adys | and getting there under linux |
| 18:42.31 | zenzelezz | in the case of Firefox, plugins are compiled, addons are whichever script it is |
| 18:42.32 | zenzelezz | IIRC |
| 18:42.46 | nevcairiel | that definition is just different for every software |
| 18:42.48 | nevcairiel | so its the same |
| 18:42.56 | Adys | yea but you're talking about chrome :P |
| 18:43.06 | nevcairiel | a piece of software you plug into your browser to add functionality |
| 18:43.08 | zenzelezz | I disagree, but I acknowledge your point |
| 18:43.10 | nevcairiel | plug-in or add-on |
| 18:43.11 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:43.11 | Adys | Ackis: grats, your project got added to ohloh 6 min ago |
| 18:44.00 | nevcairiel | anyway, i want real addons or plugins or whatever in chrome |
| 18:44.03 | nevcairiel | like i can have for firefox |
| 18:44.09 | AckisWork | Adys: lol yah was playing around with it |
| 18:44.16 | Adys | 3 weeks or so ETA nev |
| 18:44.25 | Adys | but it prolly wont be out before 2.1 |
| 18:44.48 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: actually, firefox has "addons" as the "meta" option, and "extensions" for the script things, and "plugins" for the compiled things |
| 18:45.20 | nevcairiel | its all the same thing <.< |
| 18:45.54 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: true, I forgot about "extensions" |
| 18:46.25 | zenzelezz | clearly the browsers should all learn from Jumpgate Evolution and make their plugin interfaces in Flash |
| 18:46.28 | Adys | plugins got access to external OS |
| 18:46.43 | Adys | addons got access to the browser |
| 18:47.23 | Adys | http://www.ohloh.net/p/python |
| 18:47.23 | Xinhuan | so what do you call one with access to both |
| 18:47.27 | Adys | "Mostly written in python" |
| 18:47.35 | Adys | Xinhuan: plugins also got access to the entire browser |
| 18:47.41 | Adys | they're one massive security hole in general |
| 18:47.43 | Xinhuan | see if there's one for Lua lol |
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| 18:47.52 | Xinhuan | and see what it says for "mostly written in" |
| 18:48.02 | Adys | # Mostly written in C |
| 18:48.06 | Adys | http://www.ohloh.net/p/lua |
| 18:48.09 | Adys | # Only a single active developer |
| 18:48.10 | Adys | *ouch* |
| 18:48.47 | Dashkal | Wow, this is a kind of win you don't see often: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AoCt3NHGwM8BxD2H1669H3_ty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090305151758AA7dWwd |
| 18:49.34 | Adys | "books they're not allowed to read" |
| 18:49.44 | Adys | Candide WTF? |
| 18:50.46 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 18:50.49 | Xinhuan | Animal Farm, banned? |
| 18:50.50 | Adys | Dashkal: I like the comments |
| 18:50.51 | Adys | "You're school is being moronic." |
| 18:50.52 | Xinhuan | LOL |
| 18:50.56 | Fisker- | "Anyway, I now operate a little mini-library that no one has access to but myself. Practically a real library, because I keep an inventory log and give people due dates and everything." |
| 18:51.05 | Xinhuan | that book isn't even under copyright anymore |
| 18:51.14 | Dashkal | Given the kind of school the OP is in, it's probably more accurate to say there's a reading whitelist than a banned list |
| 18:51.22 | Fisker- | "Yesterday i borrowed myself <book> and gave myself a due date for a week" |
| 18:51.22 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 18:51.54 | Adys | You're school is being moronic. |
| 18:51.57 | Dashkal | Animal Farm was required reading for me. |
| 18:52.19 | Xinhuan | animal farm is pretty much required reading in any decent school ;p |
| 18:52.28 | zenzelezz | all classes are equally balanced, but some are more equally balanced than others |
| 18:52.50 | Dashkal | Something I'm glad for. Not the sort of book I would have ever picked up on my own |
| 18:52.58 | Adys | candide/canterbury tales are req. reading in some schools I know |
| 18:53.03 | Adys | its been too long for me though |
| 18:53.13 | Xinhuan | 1984 is another fantastic book |
| 18:54.51 | Adys | "Twilight is banned also, but I don't want that polluting my library." |
| 18:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | I adore how many of these things are made up. :) |
| 18:55.28 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: but he's school is being moronic |
| 18:55.52 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: Catholic school. I'd buy it |
| 18:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal, the best Snopes are buy-able. |
| 18:57.10 | Xinhuan | wonder why hitchhiker's guide is banned |
| 18:57.17 | Fisker- | pees in a bottle and sends it to Shirik |
| 18:57.33 | Fisker- | It contradicts intelligent design Xinhuan |
| 18:57.34 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 18:57.37 | Dashkal | Of course, else they wouldn't have spread as far as they have. But this is inherently unconfirmable without destroying it. If it's true and confirmed, student gets in trouble. |
| 18:57.38 | Fisker- | (or not) |
| 18:57.39 | Fisker- | but still |
| 18:57.51 | Dashkal | So, with that in mind, that can stay unconfirmed :p |
| 18:58.12 | Xinhuan | i think the school would get into more trouble ;p |
| 18:59.02 | Dashkal | eh, private school. Much as I hate it, they're free to teach as they will. I just won't be signing up my kids to one. |
| 18:59.16 | Lopeppeppy | Public schools do have a few things to recommend them, in the end. :) |
| 18:59.23 | Dashkal | yep |
| 18:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | loves her some Snopes fodder. |
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| 19:01.40 | jnwhiteh | can a 73 DK tank VH |
| 19:01.44 | jnwhiteh | with a 78 healer |
| 19:02.41 | Xinhuan | you can't zone in until you're 75 |
| 19:02.43 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 19:02.59 | Xinhuan | so going to have to say, no |
| 19:03.14 | foxlit | Seriously, the instance requirement is that high? |
| 19:04.02 | Dashkal | O.o The bosses are 77, that seems odd |
| 19:04.15 | Xinhuan | you only get the quest to unlock VH at 75 |
| 19:04.22 | foxlit | But you don't need the quest |
| 19:04.27 | foxlit | It only really gets you a door key. |
| 19:04.37 | Xinhuan | well i think you can only zone in with the door key |
| 19:04.40 | Xinhuan | regardless |
| 19:04.42 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, like Auchinduin all over again? |
| 19:04.50 | foxlit | Not quite |
| 19:04.56 | Dashkal | Erm? Shadow Labs didn't require the key for entry |
| 19:05.14 | Dashkal | I never did get the key but did SL many many times. |
| 19:05.18 | foxlit | The run around involved is significantly less, you basically get the key from a "go talk to X" quest. |
| 19:05.36 | foxlit | But at 73vs77, you're going to have crushing blows. |
| 19:06.19 | Dashkal | eh, long as the crush doesn't instagib and you make good use of cooldowns, it should be possible. The healer better be damn good, though. |
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| 19:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wait, I've done that one, Lunessa dragged me into so many places the *instant* I turned 80, it was awesome. |
| 19:08.42 | jnwhiteh | How do you get VH key? |
| 19:08.50 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 19:08.51 | zenzelezz | talk to the guy outside |
| 19:08.57 | foxlit | talk to Krasus. |
| 19:09.06 | Dashkal | Funny thing about VH. I don't think I've ever used one of the switches. |
| 19:09.23 | foxlit | Dashkal: they're pointless, except for on one boss. |
| 19:09.29 | Shirik | that's because they're not switches |
| 19:09.31 | Shirik | they're crystals |
| 19:09.32 | Dashkal | I _hate_ the water elemental |
| 19:09.47 | Dashkal | throws a fish at Shirik |
| 19:09.57 | Dashkal | clickable world object |
| 19:10.02 | foxlit | s/Krasus/Rhonin |
| 19:10.04 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | Crystals? |
| 19:10.19 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy wants a crystal |
| 19:10.20 | Lopeppeppy | This is not something Lunessa taught me. Did he take me through on hard mode and not tell me or something? |
| 19:10.24 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1816 |
| 19:10.29 | Lopeppeppy | I wanna know what Lunessa dragged me through! :) |
| 19:10.37 | Dashkal | Did you get that achievement? |
| 19:10.38 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: like they said, the crystals are pretty unnecessary |
| 19:10.42 | Shirik | nobody ever uses them, Lopeppeppy :) |
| 19:10.46 | End | the only time I used crystals is...probably for what Dashkal just linked |
| 19:10.53 | End | nope |
| 19:11.01 | End | you linked defenseless didn't you |
| 19:11.07 | End | the water guy |
| 19:11.08 | Lopeppeppy | ... yeah, I think he did that to me. *laugh* |
| 19:11.18 | End | his achievement has him not reemerge |
| 19:11.19 | Dashkal | The water elemental is the only time I could see wanting to use one. But I don't even know where the crystals are. Never cared enough to find them. |
| 19:11.23 | End | and using crystals makes it really easy |
| 19:11.54 | Dashkal | End: you mean this one I assume? http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2041 |
| 19:12.03 | Dashkal | I should do that sometime |
| 19:12.10 | End | wowhead is slow :( |
| 19:12.41 | End | I'm pretty sure we're thinking of the same achievement now though |
| 19:12.44 | End | yup |
| 19:12.46 | End | that's the one |
| 19:13.11 | Dashkal | I think I'll do that next time the boss comes up |
| 19:13.14 | Dashkal | _hate_ that boss |
| 19:14.51 | End | we were going for glory of the hero |
| 19:15.01 | End | and had to do a half dozen runs before he'd spawn |
| 19:15.11 | End | lessrabi is the worst though |
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| 19:15.35 | Dashkal | checks the boss list |
| 19:15.37 | Dashkal | lessrabi? |
| 19:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think we saw the water elemental. But I don't remember. They're sort of random, aren't they, which ones you get? |
| 19:16.14 | End | yes, they're random |
| 19:16.22 | End | and lessrabi is the mammoth guy in gundrak |
| 19:16.38 | Dashkal | oh, last boss? Impale? Yeah, he's a pain |
| 19:16.39 | End | but you have to keep him from casting it via interrupts |
| 19:16.42 | End | nono |
| 19:16.42 | Dashkal | oh! |
| 19:16.44 | Dashkal | I know |
| 19:16.49 | End | yeah, him |
| 19:16.52 | Dashkal | I like that one, but I'm a DK |
| 19:17.23 | End | past 50% he casts it every 5 seconds |
| 19:17.37 | End | on say...a half second cast? |
| 19:17.39 | Dashkal | by the end we would just take it. Tank would blow a cooldown and burn him down |
| 19:17.46 | End | yeah |
| 19:17.50 | End | can't let him transform though |
| 19:17.51 | Adys | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/09/may/damn10.jpg |
| 19:17.52 | Adys | "By far my favourite control issue is shown in the following screenshot - itâs just the game getting confused over what a mouse thumb button is, but itâs still splendid and appeared every time I approached a lever:" |
| 19:18.47 | Dashkal | I've never cared much for the PITA heroic achievements. That being one of them. The hard ones are fun |
| 19:19.00 | End | well |
| 19:19.06 | End | the best one, imo, is zombiefest |
| 19:19.30 | Dashkal | heh, I still want that one |
| 19:19.38 | End | not really hard (although we had to plan a little to make sure we had enough), but it was awesome at the very end |
| 19:19.39 | Dashkal | but people are so obsessed over the optional boss we never try for it |
| 19:19.56 | End | well, everyone in our group had the bronze drake already |
| 19:20.08 | Dashkal | I want to be frost when we do it. Deathchill-HB :p |
| 19:21.08 | Dashkal | Chaos Theory. Now that's a PITA. |
| 19:21.29 | End | it was kinda annoying |
| 19:21.35 | End | basically we just kited him backwards |
| 19:21.39 | End | down the ramps |
| 19:22.03 | Dashkal | Yeah, that's the idea. It's just really annoying. We could probably cheeze it now (Ulduar gear ftw) |
| 19:22.17 | End | well |
| 19:22.27 | End | it's not that much easier, I'd expect |
| 19:22.36 | End | since you're basically waiting around for him to finish being immune |
| 19:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | I am consumed with a desire to play Crystal Quest. |
| 19:23.15 | Dashkal | Oh I'd still run, just that the damage is less of a concern. Dunno, it's enough of a pain that finding a group that wants to try is ... well, I haven't been in heroic nexus in months :p |
| 19:23.21 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: CQ was utter win |
| 19:23.25 | End | shrugs. |
| 19:24.43 | Dashkal | On the same vein, Secret Agent Sam |
| 19:25.09 | Lopeppeppy | I just want it because I can't get it. Even though I have a mac old enough to run it, on a shelf in my office. |
| 19:25.32 | Dashkal | dosbox |
| 19:25.57 | Lopeppeppy | Has none. |
| 19:26.11 | Dashkal | I meant the software. Find a copy of the dos version of the game and play under dosbox |
| 19:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | But it's out for iPhone, wonder if I could bribe one of my geek friends to put it on for me and give me their phone for a weekend. :) |
| 19:26.27 | Dashkal | heh |
| 19:27.07 | Shirik | don't give in to the iphone Lopeppeppy |
| 19:27.53 | Dashkal | Good Grief... Missed that by 3 seconds last attempt *cry* |
| 19:28.01 | Dashkal | (Kill Maiden of Grief in 1 minute) |
| 19:28.13 | Adys | Dashkal: your group is in greens? |
| 19:28.31 | Dashkal | Adys: I haven't attempted it in awhile. I was in mostly blues at the time. |
| 19:28.48 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I said I'd borrow someone else's, not that I'd get one of my own! :) |
| 19:28.56 | Shirik | that's just as bad |
| 19:29.02 | Dashkal | We pretty much quit doing heroics when we got into naxx full time, so haven't gone without a few in greens since. |
| 19:30.18 | Lopeppeppy | Bah, if a gamer girl can't wheedle 10 mintues of an iPhone out of a geek crowd... well, her skills would be very rusty indeed! |
| 19:31.01 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: say, I have this iPhone right here, what's it worth to you... |
| 19:31.18 | Shirik | o.o |
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| 19:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | Cookies, durcyn! |
| 19:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | I bake excellent cookies, just ask Shirik. |
| 19:37.07 | Fisker- | man Lost could've been a lot smaller in the amount of episodes |
| 19:37.10 | Fisker- | Episode one: Crash landing |
| 19:37.14 | Fisker- | Episode two: Rescure |
| 19:37.15 | Fisker- | gg |
| 19:37.15 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 19:37.22 | Fisker- | bah |
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| 19:37.25 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v AnduinLothar] by ChanServ |
| 19:37.26 | Fisker- | Rescue* |
| 19:37.32 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 19:37.33 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 19:38.12 | Fisker- | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:38.18 | Fisker- | you came back just for that? :( |
| 19:38.41 | Thunder_Child | yup, one of the small pleasures |
| 19:39.31 | Fisker- | i'm gonna give you my kebab |
| 19:39.49 | Thunder_Child | not a big fan of kababs |
| 19:39.55 | Fisker- | kebab |
| 19:40.22 | Aezay | Torhal: ping |
| 19:40.46 | Thunder_Child | ~dict kebab |
| 19:40.59 | Thunder_Child | ah, ok, just me spelling it wrong as usual |
| 19:41.10 | Lopeppeppy | wants some kebabs. |
| 19:41.52 | Fisker- | anyways i don't mean the meat by saying kebab |
| 19:41.55 | Fisker- | if you know what i want |
| 19:41.56 | Fisker- | err |
| 19:41.58 | Fisker- | what i mean |
| 19:42.09 | Thunder_Child | i know what you mean, i chose to ignore it |
| 19:42.14 | Fisker- | :( |
| 19:42.33 | Fisker- | you want my kebab inside of you |
| 19:43.17 | Dashkal | O.o. Do these babies believe that these insults actually accomplish a damn thing? |
| 19:43.27 | Dashkal | Referring to a thread that just crossed the blue tracker |
| 19:44.05 | Fisker- | insults accomplish everything |
| 19:44.21 | Dashkal | yay I just called GC a $&#@^. That'll get my point across! |
| 19:44.27 | Shirik | !g ntstatus 5 |
| 19:44.28 | batbot | Shirik: OSR's ntfsd List: Finding new ntstatus codes for Whistler. <http://www.osronline.com/showThread.cfm?link=7605> |
| 19:46.15 | Fisker- | well gc is a $&#@^ |
| 19:48.15 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, don't be hatin'. |
| 19:48.24 | Dashkal | Doesn't change the fact that ranting on the official forums just wastes everybody's time. |
| 19:48.27 | AckisWork | no I think he's a !@#$% not a $&#@^ |
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| 19:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke AckisWork. |
| 19:48.49 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around AckisWork. with his mind powers. |
| 19:49.01 | AckisWork | :P |
| 19:49.09 | Dashkal | I hate it when I build code with the wrong prefix... *cleans his home directory out* |
| 19:50.59 | Dashkal | On the plus side, hopefully these head-on-a-pike moderations will help. |
| 19:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, insta-ban! |
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| 19:54.23 | foxlit | Hm |
| 19:54.40 | foxlit | I wonder if IsAltKeyDown et al behave properly inside the restricted environment |
| 19:55.01 | foxlit | (where properly == return the actual state of the actual alt key) |
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| 19:59.57 | Fisker- | lold @ lost btw |
| 19:59.58 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7b892d9bb9b85a6e3c814a23b5ccdbc9.png |
| 20:00.03 | Fisker- | "Dynamite is very unstable" |
| 20:00.04 | Fisker- | BAM! |
| 20:00.13 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/edc9b753a7373dc04487922548f8a9a0.png |
| 20:00.46 | Fisker- | haha |
| 20:00.49 | Fisker- | i lol'd even more |
| 20:01.12 | jnwhiteh | seriosly |
| 20:01.14 | jnwhiteh | he's sitting here |
| 20:01.16 | jnwhiteh | spamming dg |
| 20:01.17 | jnwhiteh | hb |
| 20:01.25 | jnwhiteh | and IT |
| 20:01.29 | jnwhiteh | at range |
| 20:01.30 | jnwhiteh | dual wield. |
| 20:02.53 | Torhal | Aezay: pong |
| 20:03.03 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 20:03.08 | jnwhiteh | we're doing hard mode VH righ tnowl. |
| 20:03.12 | Aezay | Torhal, did you read my reply on WoWI? |
| 20:03.21 | jnwhiteh | portal guardian underground |
| 20:03.25 | Torhal | Not yet. I'll do that now. Just woke up and ate. |
| 20:03.56 | jnwhiteh | so two portals all the time |
| 20:04.01 | Aezay | heh, morning then, jsut wanted to make sure the implementation I add works before I release it |
| 20:08.15 | Torhal | Aezay: What about TipTac:ApplySettings()? |
| 20:08.35 | Torhal | And AddModifiedTip() |
| 20:08.45 | Aezay | they were changed too |
| 20:09.32 | Aezay | I think it should work now, but I am not familar with LibQTip, so it's untested with that |
| 20:09.39 | Torhal | Ah, ok. So you store the frame in AddModifiedTip() then set the index to nil if it isn't a string? |
| 20:09.57 | Torhal | Er, false |
| 20:10.36 | Aezay | Hmm, actually, the frame in ARL has a gradient now, so I guess it's working |
| 20:10.46 | Torhal | Good deal. |
| 20:10.51 | Torhal | That's all I needed to know :) |
| 20:10.51 | jnwhiteh | That DK |
| 20:10.53 | jnwhiteh | was doing 239 DPS |
| 20:10.58 | Torhal | Thankye |
| 20:11.17 | Aezay | Going to do a release then |
| 20:11.25 | End | jnwhiteh: was the DK level 55? |
| 20:11.31 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 20:11.32 | jnwhiteh | 73 |
| 20:11.37 | jnwhiteh | he was "range spec" tho |
| 20:11.42 | End | ... |
| 20:11.44 | End | range spec? |
| 20:12.05 | Shirik | You know, I have come to a great conclusion |
| 20:12.14 | Shirik | when trying to remotely debug Windows applications, an awesome line to put at the top of your program |
| 20:12.23 | Shirik | while (!IsDebuggerPresent()) { Sleep(500); } |
| 20:12.25 | Shirik | so much win |
| 20:12.26 | nevcairiel | rofl range spec |
| 20:13.47 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: did you see the screenshots |
| 20:13.48 | jnwhiteh | i shit you not |
| 20:13.49 | jnwhiteh | ask Mikma |
| 20:14.03 | mikma | he used Icy Touch, Howling Blast, and Death Coil |
| 20:14.09 | mikma | he wen't melee when jnwhiteh asked him to |
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| 20:14.19 | mikma | his dps got *WORSE* when he did that |
| 20:14.30 | jnwhiteh | i see this dual wield death knight |
| 20:14.32 | mikma | it was 360 with ranged spec |
| 20:14.33 | jnwhiteh | sitting 20 yards from the mob |
| 20:14.40 | jnwhiteh | just throwing things at him |
| 20:14.43 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: He actually TOLD you he was range spec? |
| 20:14.46 | jnwhiteh | i think a rogue using "throw" would have averaged higher DPS |
| 20:14.46 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: no. |
| 20:14.50 | Shirik | or was he just doing range stuff |
| 20:14.50 | jnwhiteh | but he clearly was :P |
| 20:15.07 | Shirik | I mean, I was mad when my hunter failed to hit 500 DPS at 70 |
| 20:15.10 | Shirik | during Gruul |
| 20:15.18 | Shirik | and that was in BC |
| 20:15.37 | Shirik | 239? |
| 20:15.39 | End | was that before they buffed hunters, too? :P |
| 20:15.45 | Shirik | yes.. |
| 20:15.54 | Shirik | they always buff things when I leave |
| 20:15.58 | End | I remember our hunters were terrible dps early BC, and then suddenly they were pretty good |
| 20:16.13 | Shirik | engineering (not huge buff, but definitely not 100% pointless), hunters |
| 20:16.31 | zenzelezz | "Where's his wife?" "He doesn't have a wife." "Yes he does, all farmers have wives." "Not this one, he's gay." "Well then he shouldn't be allowed near animals, should he." |
| 20:16.38 | zenzelezz | ponders watching The Office (UK) again |
| 20:17.01 | krka | sounds like gareth |
| 20:17.07 | zenzelezz | indeed it is |
| 20:17.10 | zenzelezz | (+ Tim) |
| 20:17.20 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 20:17.31 | Fisker- | i can't find a download for the ui minion |
| 20:17.34 | Fisker- | (hoho) |
| 20:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | reallly? I can see it right here |
| 20:18.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (hoho) |
| 20:18.20 | Fisker- | I'm just trollin' |
| 20:18.22 | Fisker- | (hohohoho) |
| 20:18.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I'm just trollin' you =] |
| 20:18.33 | zenzelezz | Fisker- trolling? Nevar |
| 20:18.40 | Fisker- | true zenzelezz |
| 20:24.12 | Lopeppeppy | OMG no wai! |
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| 20:32.40 | End | Passport wants me to lie to it |
| 20:32.45 | foxlit | grr |
| 20:33.03 | foxlit | "git commit -a" >> "nothing to commit"; "git checkout master" >> "You have local changes" |
| 20:33.03 | End | Stupid five character limit on secret answer |
| 20:33.10 | End | s/limit/minimum/ |
| 20:33.42 | zenzelezz | foxlit: well, you are using a system called "git", what do you expect? |
| 20:35.48 | Shirik | foxlit: Sounds like a win |
| 20:39.02 | Thunder_Child | it would be nice if there was a way to query a raid ID and get info from it |
| 20:39.48 | Xinhuan | what kind of info |
| 20:40.21 | Thunder_Child | what bosses are down |
| 20:41.05 | zenzelezz | would be nice |
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| 20:57.42 | Dashkal | foxlit: unstaged changes. git add or git commit -a |
| 20:58.00 | foxlit | Dashkal: foxlit: "git commit -a" >> "nothing to commit"; "git checkout master" >> "You have local changes" |
| 20:58.09 | foxlit | I think you only read the second part. |
| 20:58.10 | Dashkal | git status? |
| 20:58.29 | AckisWork | git diff? |
| 20:58.29 | foxlit | "nothing to commit (working directory clean)" |
| 20:58.39 | Dashkal | blinks |
| 20:58.41 | Dashkal | nice |
| 20:58.42 | kd3 | git fetch;git rebase origin |
| 20:58.48 | kd3 | ? |
| 20:59.09 | foxlit | It's local. |
| 21:00.22 | nevcairiel | you broke git |
| 21:00.31 | Dashkal | that's the point where'd I'd take a quick backup then git reset --hard HEAD |
| 21:00.36 | nevcairiel | if nothing else helps, git reset --hard |
| 21:00.38 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:00.42 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:01.05 | Fisker- | WTF |
| 21:01.10 | Dashkal | can't help but feel a little dirty typing that command |
| 21:01.25 | Fisker- | administrator is logged on my Windows 7 box |
| 21:01.28 | Fisker- | but the account is disabled |
| 21:01.29 | Fisker- | O_o |
| 21:01.31 | foxlit | I suspect Windows/OSX file sharing is to blame. |
| 21:01.35 | Grum | why git reset --hard HEAD is completely sane :p |
| 21:01.36 | nevcairiel | i hacked you |
| 21:01.45 | Fisker- | oh nos |
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| 21:08.28 | Dashkal | Grum: It was a bad joke. Read that command with the mind of an elementary kid. |
| 21:09.03 | Grum | resets Dashkal --hard |
| 21:10.24 | kd3 | eegah |
| 21:10.33 | kd3 | just hit the 10k track barrier in his music player |
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| 21:15.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:16.04 | Shirik | did it stop working? |
| 21:16.19 | kd3 | no... I'm just gagging at the size of my collection |
| 21:16.33 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:16.37 | Lopeppeppy | That's... a lot of music, kd3. |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik | was gonna say, that's a crappy design |
| 21:17.07 | kd3 | $ du -hs /data/pub/music |
| 21:17.07 | kd3 | 120G/data/pub/music |
| 21:17.07 | Shirik | now let's assume each track cost kd3 $0.25 |
| 21:17.10 | Shirik | that's $2500 of music |
| 21:17.19 | Shirik | How much did you actually pay for it? |
| 21:17.19 | Shirik | ;) |
| 21:17.32 | kd3 | whatever my uplink has cost me over the past 10ish years |
| 21:17.34 | kd3 | >.> |
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| 21:17.39 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:17.44 | kd3 | and the ~10 CDs I actually physically own |
| 21:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk |
| 21:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent!! |
| 21:21.10 | kd3 | uh-huh. suuuuure |
| 21:21.32 | alestane | I won't say I never pirate anything, but I'm pretty sure I own over half my music collection. |
| 21:23.39 | Lopeppeppy | I know that I own exactly half of my music collection. :| |
| 21:23.43 | Lopeppeppy | But I'm growing more! |
| 21:24.19 | alestane | How does you know that exactly? Or was your music collection a communal effort? |
| 21:24.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ding ding, dear. |
| 21:25.38 | alestane | You own half, he owns half, you both have all of it? |
| 21:25.53 | zenzelezz | I think I've owned about 5 music CDs in my lifetime |
| 21:25.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 21:26.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm thinking of ripping these and giving them away too, go all digital and just say screw it. :) |
| 21:27.31 | alestane | Invest in a backup solution first. |
| 21:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | multiple computers = backup |
| 21:28.02 | zenzelezz | get a spindle and put them in a closet or in the attic |
| 21:28.08 | zenzelezz | not like CDs take much space |
| 21:28.15 | Lopeppeppy | True... I could spindle them and just chuck the case. |
| 21:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a closet or an attic where I'm moving, but a spindle or a flat case won't take as much room as the rack. |
| 21:29.02 | zenzelezz | stop talking dirty :-x |
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| 21:35.41 | Fisker- | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 21:36.40 | AckisWork | slaps Fisker- around with a Lopeppeppy |
| 21:36.42 | zenzelezz | it's her own fault, she knows I can't resist word-play |
| 21:37.47 | Fisker- | hurr |
| 21:37.53 | Fisker- | my battle.net session ends in "wut" |
| 21:37.54 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 21:38.22 | alestane | Shirt seen this weekend at a convention: "I have a rocket launcher; your argument is invalid." |
| 21:38.28 | AckisWork | I hate parsing tooltips and strings |
| 21:38.40 | Lopeppeppy | Shirt seen at an SCA event this weekend, "Wicked Pissah" |
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| 21:38.53 | AckisWork | lua> strmatch("Fisker- likes penisSpell Power: a lot","Spell Power") |
| 21:38.54 | lua_bot | AckisWork: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'strmatch' (a nil value) |
| 21:39.00 | AckisWork | lua> string.match("Fisker- likes penisSpell Power: a lot","Spell Power") |
| 21:39.00 | lua_bot | AckisWork: Spell Power |
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| 21:42.03 | Kirov | http://www.videosift.com/video/Break-dancing-robot |
| 21:42.56 | foxlit | curse++ for allowing sane version stability tagging |
| 21:43.17 | foxlit | curse-- for project approval times. |
| 21:43.31 | foxlit | ("zomg, it takes longer than 30 seconds?!") |
| 21:44.31 | AckisWork | foxlit: just ping me next time it takes more than 2 minutes :P |
| 21:44.35 | foxlit | Wonder if WoWInterface moderators have some sort of light that goes on instantly when there's something in the queue. |
| 21:44.41 | Shirik | >.> |
| 21:44.52 | End | lol |
| 21:45.12 | kd3 | they've all got shock collars wired up to the submit system |
| 21:45.26 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk would enjoy that |
| 21:46.06 | AckisWork | Shirik: wearing one or pressing the shock Shirik button? :P |
| 21:46.15 | Shirik | not sure |
| 21:46.40 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 21:46.52 | jnwhiteh | so I'm getting disconnected.. in Wintergrasp |
| 21:46.54 | jnwhiteh | a lot. |
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| 21:47.06 | Fisker- | move to ravencrest |
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| 21:47.15 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not overly surprised, jnwhiteh. |
| 21:47.20 | jnwhiteh | no addon comms |
| 21:47.23 | foxlit | Lagrasp? |
| 21:47.25 | Fisker- | failed design is failed |
| 21:47.47 | foxlit | "La grasp" is actually pronounceable. |
| 21:48.33 | jnwhiteh | its just never been this bad |
| 21:48.46 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: delete your wtf folder and disable all your addons and please try again. |
| 21:48.55 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 21:49.06 | AckisWork | I think tomtom causes disconnects in wintergrasp, right Fisker-? |
| 21:49.08 | Thunder_Child | mmm....shirik shock collar |
| 21:49.13 | Fisker- | of course AckisWork |
| 21:49.25 | Fisker- | Though seriously i'd like that the GM's changed that to backup instead of delete |
| 21:49.28 | Lopeppeppy | I think you're both idjits. |
| 21:49.48 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: please reinstall WoW to try again. See you in three days. |
| 21:49.48 | Fisker- | your mom is an idiot |
| 21:49.59 | AckisWork | hey jnwhiteh, we have two confirmed reports that tomtom causes you to disconnect in wintergrasp, please try disabling that one first |
| 21:50.34 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: my book ran out of pages :( |
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| 21:54.15 | Kraps | caught in the undertow |
| 22:01.09 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I think you need another book dear. |
| 22:01.17 | Thunder_Child | :( i can kill things better in pvp disc than pve shadow |
| 22:01.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm re-reading Latro in the Mist. |
| 22:01.53 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: what genre is that/who is it by? |
| 22:01.53 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: can i see your spec? |
| 22:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, it's fantasy/historical fiction, by Gene Wolfe. It's two books in one, Solider of the Mist and Soldier of Arete. |
| 22:03.22 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Cenarius&cn=Shadyhealer&gn=Wasted+Space |
| 22:03.23 | alestane | Ah, Wolfe. I find Gene Wolfe spectacular and terrifying at the same time. |
| 22:03.44 | *** part/#wowuidev amnith (i=robertj@217-14-8-108-dhcp-osl.bbse.no) |
| 22:05.18 | zenzelezz | I still don't really know how I feel about the Void Trilogy... will just have to wait until he finished the darned third book and see :-/ |
| 22:05.33 | zenzelezz | considering re-reading the Night's Dawn trilogy meanwhile |
| 22:06.10 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: is it good? |
| 22:07.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, would she be rereading it if it wasnt? |
| 22:07.22 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, I love it. |
| 22:07.37 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is ignoring me :( |
| 22:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | Considering that I'm slimming down my book collection by fully a half in order to move to a smaller apartment... only the good stuff is comign along. |
| 22:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | attends to Shirik. |
| 22:08.15 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, it's a bit lighter than his other stuff I'm told... it's totally awesome. :) |
| 22:08.41 | |Jelly| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTQ0wY9zEsY&feature=related oh lawdy |
| 22:09.13 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: might be worth trying then |
| 22:09.25 | Kraps | cant find Soldier of Arete in #bookz :( |
| 22:09.43 | Kraps | (not on freenode) |
| 22:10.10 | alestane | I think I just undersold my Enchanted Tear. |
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| 22:12.12 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.amazon.com/Latro-Mist-Gene-Wolfe/dp/0765302942/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243289494&sr=8-1 |
| 22:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't read Solider of Sidon yet though. |
| 22:13.50 | jnwhiteh | 900 resilience is hard! |
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| 22:16.03 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:19.29 | Kraps | :O i found the new arthas book online! |
| 22:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, |
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| 22:21.04 | Kraps | now i'm like, "how do i know its the real one?" |
| 22:21.05 | dardack | yawn |
| 22:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ya don't, ya take your chances, piker. |
| 22:21.39 | dardack | ok my mouseoverthreat mod works, what to work on next |
| 22:21.45 | alestane | Caveat Emptor. |
| 22:22.21 | Kraps | or i could ask if one of you read it... |
| 22:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 22:22.52 | dardack | question do the world pvp objectives have a frame call to move em? |
| 22:22.55 | AckisWork | real one? there are fake ones out there? |
| 22:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure there are. |
| 22:23.35 | Kraps | the prologue's first paragraph is about shovletusk ya? :D |
| 22:24.03 | AckisWork | I got the signed collectors one, haven't read it yet however |
| 22:24.26 | Lopeppeppy | You shouldn't. |
| 22:24.36 | AckisWork | not gonna resell it ever |
| 22:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | Don't read it. Keep it perfect!! |
| 22:24.53 | Kraps | hehe |
| 22:25.15 | alestane | Someone at the con this weekend was selling a BC collector's edition unopened, but $200 was a little much to pay for a nether whelp and a soundtrack CD. |
| 22:25.47 | AckisWork | they were on ebay for $50 at one point |
| 22:26.00 | Kraps | AckisWork: you never know, all those harry potter fanfics made me wary |
| 22:26.28 | AckisWork | goes home! :D |
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| 22:28.29 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i still have an unopened BC CE box....not sure why though |
| 22:28.49 | Fisker- | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:29.00 | Kraps | i'll know if its fake if theres soft-core or higher sex /decided |
| 22:29.09 | Thunder_Child | slaps a large trout around with Fisker- |
| 22:31.57 | Kraps | brb supper |
| 22:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hItGF3n5rzcEdW6PnVTP-n8zY1agD98DCUQ01 |
| 22:33.43 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: yep, it gives you wings alright |
| 22:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 22:34.15 | Lopeppeppy | I had someone offer a can of Red Bull to a kidling I was hanging around with this weekend. OMG I was quick to say no! |
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| 22:35.39 | Zootfizzle | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 22:36.25 | Lopeppeppy | I did, however, feed the same child a big bowl of ice cream and dangle him over a pond to see tadpoles, so he didn't miss out that much. :) |
| 22:37.00 | Zootfizzle | If Red Bull came out of cows with some ice mixed in, I wouldn't mind giving it to kids |
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| 22:37.15 | Zootfizzle | And sugar, of course :P |
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| 22:37.36 | Zootfizzle | I don't think adults should drink that stuff |
| 22:37.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think anyone should |
| 22:37.45 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmm water |
| 22:37.47 | Lopeppeppy | Looks nasty, tastes nasy. |
| 22:38.02 | Zootfizzle | Red Bull gets you hyper addicted to caffeine so that when you don't drink it anymore you feel sick and tired and decide that Red Bull gives you wings! |
| 22:38.03 | Lopeppeppy | I drink a lot of lemon water, since Shirik made me give up other beverages! *sniffle* |
| 22:38.15 | Shirik | I made you?! |
| 22:38.29 | Zootfizzle | slaps Shiibot a few times |
| 22:38.33 | Iriel | I gave up soda years ago, it's not that hard |
| 22:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: close |
| 22:38.49 | Zootfizzle | There, I slapped his whipping boy for you, Peppy |
| 22:38.59 | Fisker- | slaps Zootfizzle around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:39.08 | Zootfizzle | ~Fisker-++ |
| 22:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, way to torture Fisker! |
| 22:39.22 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Shirik. |
| 22:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | Giving up bubbles and caffeine has been good for me, you were my moral support shirik! |
| 22:40.22 | alestane | I don't intend to give up soda any time soon, but I also don't drink it on a daily basis or repeatedly over the course of most days. |
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| 22:41.12 | Iriel | I still do bubbles and caffeine, just not High Fructose Corn Syrup |
| 22:41.25 | Fisker- | RAWWWWWWWWWRGHHHHHHHH |
| 22:41.34 | Iriel | (though, no bubbles and caffeine at the same time) |
| 22:41.46 | alestane | I try to avoid it more and more, it's nasty stuff. |
| 22:42.00 | alestane | Practically everywhere, though, hard to get away from completely. |
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| 22:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | most any place there is soda, there is good ol' water. |
| 22:42.43 | Codayus_ | ScytheBlade1: Luddite. |
| 22:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Codayus_: who isn't addicted to caffiene in any form ;) |
| 22:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | heck, I can't even spell it right |
| 22:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | Iriel, you've seen the Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback lines? |
| 22:45.00 | Iriel | I have, but I'll steer clear 8-) |
| 22:45.20 | Lopeppeppy | No HFCS! |
| 22:45.24 | Iriel | I'll get my fizz kicks from water 8-) |
| 22:45.35 | Iriel | Yeah, but still a crapload of sugar and other fun chemicals |
| 22:45.39 | Iriel | It's a good start tho |
| 22:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | I tries to throw you a bone, you bark at me. *sniffle* |
| 22:45.51 | Iriel | heh |
| 22:45.56 | End | too bad throwback is temporary |
| 22:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | I did try the Pepsi, it's odd tasting. Most sodas are now anyway. |
| 22:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | I want to try the new WoW lines when they come out, too. |
| 22:46.19 | Iriel | In the UK they dont use HFCS, american soda tasted very strange at first |
| 22:46.39 | End | corn is a big deal in the US ;-) |
| 22:46.57 | airtonix_ | ... |
| 22:51.38 | alestane | Only reason why HFCS is cheaper than regular sugar. |
| 22:52.04 | Lopeppeppy | Don't lets get me started on that rant. :) |
| 22:53.36 | Kraps | um, tuscarr is a subspecies of tanuka or what? |
| 22:54.07 | Kraps | tuskarr |
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| 22:59.09 | Zootfizzle | Screw corn |
| 22:59.11 | Zootfizzle | Corn sucks |
| 22:59.15 | Zootfizzle | I want sugar back |
| 22:59.32 | Lopeppeppy | Would be nice, just plain old sugar instead of complex negotiations. |
| 22:59.41 | Zootfizzle | And byproducts in everything |
| 23:00.07 | Dashkal | I keep hearing this rumour that I (a Canadian) am getting real sugar in my Pepsi. Anybody in the know able to confirm that one? |
| 23:00.32 | Osagasu | I get real sugar in my pepsi. |
| 23:00.36 | Zootfizzle | You should be able to read it on the can? |
| 23:00.43 | Dashkal | I don't have on ehandy :p |
| 23:00.46 | Zootfizzle | You can read in Canada right? :) |
| 23:01.04 | Osagasu | They're selling Pepsi... Throwback? |
| 23:01.04 | Osagasu | For now |
| 23:01.04 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal, I'm betting the rumor is based on the Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback limited relase. |
| 23:01.08 | Dashkal | mmm |
| 23:01.17 | Osagasu | The Mtn Dew Throwback is HORRIBLE |
| 23:01.21 | Dashkal | Hopefully I'll remember when I get home, now I'm curious. |
| 23:01.30 | Osagasu | But I prefer the Pepsi Throwback to the normal stuff |
| 23:01.38 | Lopeppeppy | Haven't gotten to that one, Osagasu. I don't expect it to be good though. |
| 23:01.44 | Zootfizzle | Same, Osagasu |
| 23:01.51 | Zootfizzle | I think I'm gonna buy some online and ship it to my mom |
| 23:02.03 | Lopeppeppy | Amazon.com fixes everything! |
| 23:02.05 | Zootfizzle | She'll think it's a bomb cause she won't be expecting a package |
| 23:02.12 | Lopeppeppy | Zoot! *laugh* |
| 23:02.15 | Osagasu | It's like you take the not-all-that-good taste of Mountain Dew |
| 23:02.18 | Osagasu | and take out the kick |
| 23:02.23 | Kraps | this book is already causing nerdgasms |
| 23:02.34 | Osagasu | And you're just left with... not much to redeem |
| 23:02.39 | Kraps | loregasms? |
| 23:02.43 | Osagasu | What book? |
| 23:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | Mountain Dew, aka "twice recycled llama piss" |
| 23:03.00 | Kraps | the new arthas book |
| 23:03.12 | Osagasu | Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised by it. |
| 23:03.27 | Osagasu | I was expecting another middling book |
| 23:03.35 | Osagasu | But it's actually good. |
| 23:03.56 | Kraps | i'm only up to where uther take arthas from the stables |
| 23:04.28 | Osagasu | I just passed.. (random storyline part from further in the book here) |
| 23:04.33 | Osagasu | :) |
| 23:04.59 | Kraps | lol |
| 23:05.18 | Osagasu | I really am further on, but I don't want to spoil anything. |
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| 23:11.43 | Kraps | Osagasu: which ones of these have you read? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_(series)#Books |
| 23:12.03 | Shirik | Kraps uses chrome |
| 23:12.26 | Kraps | nope |
| 23:12.31 | Shirik | no? |
| 23:12.32 | Kraps | the fox |
| 23:12.43 | Shirik | I haven't noticed other browsers not escaping parentheses |
| 23:13.04 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.13 | airtonix | how easy is it to create a ramdrive in windows? |
| 23:13.24 | Shirik | it used to be easy |
| 23:13.29 | Shirik | there used to be a program "ramdrive" |
| 23:13.35 | airtonix | i know it was tricial in dos |
| 23:13.38 | airtonix | trivial* |
| 23:13.39 | Shirik | Now I think it's shifted from "very easy" to "very difficult" |
| 23:14.10 | airtonix | because if you create a ramdrive and mount your firefox profile on it...weeee |
| 23:14.47 | ScytheBlade1 | airtonix: google ramdisk.sy_ |
| 23:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 23:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It's installed by default, but not decompressed or registered |
| 23:15.25 | airtonix | yeah i could actually care less about knowing "how", i just wanted to know "if". |
| 23:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | you can |
| 23:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | it's shipped by default in 2k, xp, 2k3 |
| 23:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | of that I know for sure |
| 23:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | vista and higher, I'm not sure |
| 23:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | looks like the same driver is still in vista, 2k8 and 7 |
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