| 00:02.27 | Iriel | Shirik: Does the class have any non-static methods? |
| 00:02.50 | Iriel | Shirik: or any non-static public fields? |
| 00:03.00 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:03.07 | Shirik | has 2 private fields |
| 00:03.12 | Shirik | oh public |
| 00:03.13 | Shirik | no :) |
| 00:03.19 | Shirik | But I think that's why it's confused |
| 00:03.23 | Iriel | Then as far as everyone on the planet is concerned, it'd be a utility class |
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| 00:03.29 | Shirik | nope |
| 00:03.32 | Shirik | because it's an inner class |
| 00:03.55 | Iriel | It doean't appear to be intended for instanced use |
| 00:03.55 | Shirik | so its parent can access those private fields |
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| 00:04.05 | Iriel | is it declared static? |
| 00:04.08 | Iriel | is it declared public? |
| 00:04.12 | Iriel | does it have a public constructor? |
| 00:04.42 | Iriel | the problem is likely the bottom 2 |
| 00:05.17 | Shirik | it's declared as a private static class, and it's just the default constructor (no explicitly declared constructor) |
| 00:06.18 | Shirik | public class ServiceLink { private static class ServiceLink { /* 2 private, non-static members */ } private LinkedList<ServiceLink>; } |
| 00:06.44 | Iriel | Interesting then, I can see why you might do that AND why it might be confused. |
| 00:07.01 | Shirik | it was intended just for use as a structure |
| 00:07.07 | Shirik | because I realized two arrays I had were getting out of order |
| 00:07.17 | Shirik | and they are always supposed to be in sync with each other |
| 00:07.20 | Iriel | I imagine if you just give it a private ctor checkstyle will shut up |
| 00:07.33 | Iriel | I use the same idiom a lot, though I tend to write getters for my members |
| 00:07.40 | Iriel | which also shuts it up. |
| 00:07.44 | Shirik | I ended up just writing getters to make it shut up :) |
| 00:08.01 | Shirik | since that's as simple as hitting ctrl+space and enter |
| 00:08.19 | Iriel | I wonder if you can tell that particular rule to ignore private classes |
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| 00:19.55 | Shirik | So perforce is really nice :) |
| 00:20.22 | Shirik | I might end up having to switch from svn as my preferred version control |
| 00:20.53 | Shirik | too bad it's not free :( |
| 00:20.56 | augustl | Shirik: how did you manage to avoid the Giant Wave of Git? |
| 00:21.05 | Shirik | because git is evil |
| 00:21.15 | augustl | true dat |
| 00:21.51 | Iriel | I still think that those who compare svn and git as if they're somehow solving the exact same problem are misguided |
| 00:22.53 | Shirik | But Linus himself believes that git is better than svn :) |
| 00:23.00 | Iriel | For what he's doing, i'm sure it is |
| 00:23.01 | Shirik | and has openly talked about that on numerous occasions |
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| 00:23.08 | Shirik | THAT I agree with |
| 00:23.10 | Iriel | They solve different problems |
| 00:23.16 | Adys | yep iriel |
| 00:23.18 | Shirik | I don't agree with the blanket statement "it's better" though |
| 00:23.21 | Shirik | which is what he's trying to push |
| 00:23.23 | Adys | they serve different purposes |
| 00:23.30 | Shirik | admittedly, that may be partially because he made it |
| 00:23.40 | Adys | Shirik: git fanboys always try to *push* everything |
| 00:23.42 | Adys | ZING |
| 00:24.05 | Iriel | Adys: ouch |
| 00:24.09 | Adys | yep. |
| 00:24.17 | Adys | I'd never use git for a small-scale project though |
| 00:24.25 | Adys | same way i'd never use bzr for a large-scale one |
| 00:24.38 | Adys | not that bzr doesnt scale |
| 00:24.38 | Adys | but its slow |
| 00:24.39 | Shirik | I just can't believe how "easily" perforce manages 70 thousand files (not an exaggeration) |
| 00:24.43 | Adys | (same goes for svn) |
| 00:25.31 | cbreak | I use git for my own single-dev projects |
| 00:25.35 | cbreak | it works ok for that |
| 00:25.42 | cbreak | and is closer to my own workflow than svn was |
| 00:25.43 | Adys | yeah |
| 00:26.03 | Adys | I didnt say using a battleship to go shopping was a bad idea. |
| 00:26.09 | Adys | cbreak: did you try bzr? |
| 00:26.16 | cbreak | being independent from the svn server is nice on the laptop |
| 00:26.17 | cbreak | no |
| 00:26.24 | Adys | try it then |
| 00:26.25 | cbreak | I switched from subversion to git |
| 00:26.41 | Adys | it allows the same workflows than git if you want |
| 00:26.43 | cbreak | what advantages over git would it bring? |
| 00:26.54 | Adys | its smaller |
| 00:27.00 | Adys | more fit for small projects |
| 00:27.06 | cbreak | I already have git |
| 00:27.10 | Shirik | some people can view a central repository as better than a distributed repository |
| 00:27.19 | Shirik | it depends on the project, as Iriel has already stated |
| 00:27.20 | Adys | and THATS |
| 00:27.24 | Adys | why bzr allows both |
| 00:27.26 | Adys | http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows |
| 00:27.33 | cbreak | git allows both too |
| 00:27.36 | cbreak | sort of :) |
| 00:27.41 | Shirik | not really :P |
| 00:27.48 | Adys | yeah sort-oves can suck my bottom |
| 00:27.54 | cbreak | just call one of the repositories "the one" |
| 00:28.53 | Shirik | but then you start to lose the benefits of a central repository |
| 00:28.58 | Shirik | such as clean revision numbers |
| 00:29.16 | Adys | git is amazing for its branch system |
| 00:29.27 | Adys | which is one of the top reasons I'd use it for a big project |
| 00:29.30 | Shirik | while it's possible to figure out which version is which, it's very easy, i.e., I can say to anyone two SVN revision numbers and you'll be able to know which came first without knowing anything else |
| 00:29.49 | Shirik | s/is which/is which in git/ |
| 00:30.22 | cbreak | yeah, git has no enforcement for a single timeline |
| 00:30.34 | Adys | which is bad for small projects |
| 00:30.40 | cbreak | depends |
| 00:30.47 | cbreak | my git projects do have a timeline |
| 00:30.51 | cbreak | because I don't use branches |
| 00:30.55 | Shirik | Anyway, I just think perforce's multiple workspaces and ability to split a changelist and track them independently is really cool |
| 00:31.00 | Adys | and you cant view it |
| 00:31.04 | Adys | you're stuck with hashes |
| 00:31.13 | cbreak | I can view the timeline |
| 00:31.22 | Adys | not at first glance |
| 00:31.26 | cbreak | there are no sequence numbers like in subversion though |
| 00:31.35 | cbreak | git log shows it :) |
| 00:32.08 | Adys | there is another reason to choose bzr |
| 00:32.13 | cbreak | I don't know perforce. but git repositories are probably similar to workspaces. |
| 00:32.23 | Adys | its web UI |
| 00:32.25 | Adys | http://ebspso.dnsalias.org:8080/loggerhead/changes |
| 00:32.28 | Adys | loggerhead \o/ |
| 00:32.35 | Shirik | like, how you can check out a repo in SVN |
| 00:32.58 | Shirik | in perforce, you can check it out multiple times (not perforce "check out" but svn "check out" i.e., copying it to your drive) but with minimal overhead |
| 00:33.03 | Shirik | that is, it won't take twice the space |
| 00:33.27 | Shirik | that way you can basically work on two different branches at the same time, or keep changes independent of each other, etc. |
| 00:33.41 | cbreak | git clone clones locally with hard links when applicable. (I heard) |
| 00:34.01 | Shirik | I need to be careful when saying "check out" because perforce really has a "check out" :) |
| 00:34.21 | Shirik | In perforce, you always have to check out files, which doesn't really do anything other than let the server (and other users) know "I'm going to start changing these files" |
| 00:34.25 | Adys | i wonder what vcs blizzard uses |
| 00:34.26 | Shirik | which is another neat tool |
| 00:34.35 | Shirik | because you get to see if you're working simultaneously with someone or not |
| 00:34.43 | Shirik | unlike in svn where you only know at commit-time |
| 00:34.50 | cbreak | locking? |
| 00:34.59 | Shirik | it doesn't lock |
| 00:35.12 | Shirik | check out simply marks it as checked out (others can check out simultaneously) |
| 00:35.33 | cbreak | so more like a marker |
| 00:35.33 | Shirik | in SVN and Perforce you can lock, but that's not enforced |
| 00:36.04 | Shirik | Perforce enforces checking out by making your copy read only until you check it out |
| 00:36.10 | Shirik | of course, you can override that, but you shouldn't :) |
| 00:36.28 | cbreak | ah well, I don't think there's anything significantly better than git for me to warrant migration costs :) |
| 00:36.45 | Shirik | svn and perforce are comparable |
| 00:36.53 | Shirik | git and svn/perforce is apples to oranges |
| 00:37.17 | Shirik | bzr I have no experience with |
| 00:38.11 | cbreak | an other project I am interested in recently switched from subversion to git |
| 00:38.15 | Shirik | granted, perforce I didn't have any experience with until a week ago |
| 00:38.22 | cbreak | they also evaluated mercurial (hg) and bazar (bzr) as alternatives |
| 00:39.00 | Shirik | oh wow, Wikipedia considers MKS a version control system too o.o |
| 00:39.05 | Shirik | In that case, we use a combination of perforce and MKS |
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| 00:43.18 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a list of mathematical constants and their values |
| 00:43.20 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 00:43.27 | Adys | bzr is everything sex within git |
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| 00:43.41 | Adys | the portability of svn |
| 00:43.48 | Adys | and the casual-friendliness of wow |
| 00:44.01 | Shirik | lua> math.exp(1) |
| 00:44.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.718281828459 |
| 00:44.18 | Shirik | lua> math.pi |
| 00:44.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3.1415926535898 |
| 00:44.34 | Pneumatus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_constant has some |
| 00:44.36 | Shirik | > math.exp(1) |
| 00:44.46 | cbreak | casual friendly scm? |
| 00:44.47 | Shirik | !lua math.exp(1) |
| 00:44.47 | Shirik | pokes lua_bot |
| 00:44.48 | batbot | Shirik: > 2.718281828459 |
| 00:44.57 | Adys | yep cbreak |
| 00:45.00 | cbreak | I wouldn't want to see code written by a casual source code creator... |
| 00:45.07 | Shirik | maybe I'm lagging >.> |
| 00:45.11 | Adys | not written by |
| 00:45.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you forgot the lua* |
| 00:45.13 | Adys | managed by |
| 00:45.33 | cbreak | I asume code is best managed by who ever wrote it |
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| 00:46.06 | cbreak | (although I guess you could speak your code on tape and let your secretary transcribe it...) |
| 00:46.14 | Adys | exactly |
| 00:46.17 | Adys | casual friendly. |
| 00:46.23 | Pneumatus | lua> math.log(2)^2 |
| 00:46.24 | lua_bot | Pneumatus: 0.4804530139182 |
| 00:46.33 | cbreak | believe me: bzr is not secretary friendly |
| 00:46.43 | Adys | swhat she said |
| 00:46.56 | cbreak | I currently job as user support in a hospital. And the secretaries here are just trouble |
| 00:47.17 | cbreak | one complained that her computer was broken, and only displayed "No Signal" |
| 00:47.24 | cbreak | (she forgot to turn it on...) |
| 00:48.09 | Thunder_Child | Pneumatus, it does not have their values though |
| 00:48.24 | Pneumatus | how about http://pi.lacim.uqam.ca/eng/table_en.html then |
| 00:48.24 | Adys | Already seen derren's version but |
| 00:48.28 | |pez| | lol, cbreak, got to love internal support jobs ;) |
| 00:48.30 | Adys | for those who dont know of the milgram experiment |
| 00:48.31 | Adys | http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/?p=2102 |
| 00:48.37 | Adys | always interesting to watch |
| 00:48.57 | Thunder_Child | thats good Pneumatus, thanks |
| 00:49.07 | Pneumatus | and it does have their values, Thunder_Child , the value column in the wikipedia table |
| 00:49.35 | Thunder_Child | Pneumatus, meh, hadent gotten that far down |
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| 00:54.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:54.28 | Shirik | You know you've been testing something for too long when your debugger says "'Thread-569' running" in your controls |
| 00:59.39 | Shadowed | hum, you only need to save/apply effective scaling to x/y positions when the frame is anchored to the top left I take it? |
| 00:59.46 | Shadowed | /top in general |
| 01:11.38 | Adys | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/23/1733231&from=rss |
| 01:11.40 | Adys | ahahahah. |
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| 01:18.20 | haste | lol :D |
| 01:31.31 | Shirik | wow Adys |
| 01:31.40 | Adys | *zips back* |
| 01:31.41 | Adys | yes? |
| 01:33.23 | kd3 | oh geez |
| 01:33.24 | Shirik | points to link |
| 01:33.25 | kd3 | that's horrible |
| 01:35.26 | Shirik | can someone tell me the meaning of having multiple breakpoints on the same line? |
| 01:35.45 | kd3 | you really, really, really want to stop the program there? |
| 01:35.56 | Shirik | Somehow I broke netbeans and I can't remove a breakpoint from a line - the only thing that happens is it either says "line breakpoint" or some other symbol I've never seen before with the tooltip "multiple breakpoints" |
| 01:38.35 | kd3 | wtf; fark: Man has a very special bond with his pet turtle. "She comes when he calls. She lets him throw her like a Frisbee into her pond in his back yard" [Florida] |
| 01:40.21 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bff64cd92c2466503876555e6a66ac79.png |
| 01:40.24 | Shirik | yay for multiple breakpoints |
| 01:46.23 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/uprgaded_ur_banazaz.jpg |
| 01:47.29 | Shirik | you really enjoy the bshit category huh |
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| 02:07.25 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/a96683_a449_nipples.jpg |
| 02:07.58 | Shirik | random question |
| 02:08.02 | Shirik | does git have a "blame" feature? |
| 02:08.26 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/a96676_a446_norweigan_blackmetal.jpg |
| 02:09.19 | cbreak | what would blame do? |
| 02:09.34 | cbreak | it has a command "blame" |
| 02:10.14 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.30 | Shirik | it would tell you the revision and author of a particular line |
| 02:10.55 | mikma | tekkub: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/a440_watch.jpg |
| 02:11.34 | Shirik | is like every git command a different program? |
| 02:11.58 | cbreak | not any more |
| 02:11.59 | mikma | tekkub: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/a440_bandages.jpg |
| 02:12.16 | cbreak | but they are still in their own man page |
| 02:12.31 | cbreak | it's called like "git blame blabla.txt" nowadays |
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| 02:17.49 | haste | cbreak: I spy a zsh user! |
| 02:18.08 | art3mis_ | lies! |
| 02:18.18 | art3mis_ | those are myths like people that use adventuresh |
| 02:18.24 | cbreak | I use bash. |
| 02:18.41 | art3mis_ | ash is the shizznit |
| 02:18.42 | haste | yeh, it's "blame -- blame file lines on commits" |
| 02:18.44 | haste | in zsh |
| 02:19.22 | Shirik | I use fish! |
| 02:19.24 | cbreak | I copy pasted it from the man page. so who ever wrote that... :) |
| 02:19.31 | Shirik | Actually I really use bash, but I want to use fish because it's fun |
| 02:19.38 | art3mis_ | teach a man to fish# |
| 02:19.42 | Shirik | I just can't get myself to switch |
| 02:19.51 | haste | fish seems okey, but zsh is pretty mind-blowing :p |
| 02:19.55 | art3mis_ | avirecomp is a great program btw |
| 02:19.58 | haste | the auto-completion is <3 |
| 02:20.11 | Shirik | I haven't played enough with zsh |
| 02:20.13 | art3mis_ | allows for subtitle hardcoding in xvid/divx |
| 02:22.55 | art3mis_ | I feel so dirty |
| 02:23.06 | art3mis_ | I used sasl2-bin from the unstable tree |
| 02:23.10 | art3mis_ | and it works |
| 02:25.20 | Shirik | o_________o |
| 02:25.34 | Shirik | internet explorer 8 is actually intelligent |
| 02:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I spy |
| 02:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | A liar |
| 02:26.01 | art3mis_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.06 | Shirik | When you go to a non-existent page, IE8 says "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" right? |
| 02:26.20 | Shirik | Apparently when embedded in an app, it actually says "This program cannot display the webpage" |
| 02:26.26 | Shirik | so somehow it knows >.> |
| 02:26.34 | Corrodias | gasp. |
| 02:26.39 | art3mis_ | ie8 also has the built in feature that breaks java menus and ajax menus because it's too smart for that old school crap ;) |
| 02:28.03 | art3mis_ | speaking of brilliant MS apps |
| 02:28.09 | art3mis_ | ya know what I love about win7 so far? |
| 02:28.23 | art3mis_ | the fact that my 5.1 speakers don't actually work as 5.1 speakers |
| 02:28.32 | art3mis_ | its sexy ;) |
| 02:28.36 | cbreak | does it round them down to 5? |
| 02:28.42 | art3mis_ | close |
| 02:28.45 | art3mis_ | it rounds to 3 |
| 02:28.50 | art3mis_ | left right and sub |
| 02:28.52 | cbreak | ... microsoft sucks at math |
| 02:29.35 | cbreak | java menus? :/ |
| 02:29.47 | art3mis_ | other than that win7 is pretty nice compared to vista |
| 02:29.50 | cbreak | loading a whole java applet for menus seems dumb |
| 02:29.56 | cbreak | almost as dumb as using flash for it |
| 02:30.10 | art3mis_ | well we've got a few finacial sites that use java menus for dynamic filling from a dbase |
| 02:30.23 | art3mis_ | ie8 likes to take the content of these menus and make them nothing |
| 02:30.28 | art3mis_ | ie7 read them properly |
| 02:30.48 | Shirik | !lua return round(5.1) |
| 02:30.49 | batbot | Shirik: > 3 |
| 02:30.54 | Shirik | sounds right to me |
| 02:30.55 | cbreak | well |
| 02:30.59 | cbreak | it's probably IE7 that is wrong |
| 02:31.23 | art3mis_ | but then ie7 had that lame "protected mode" that tended to break direct file links on sites that specified a port number |
| 02:31.39 | art3mis_ | nah it works properly in opera and mozilla too |
| 02:31.45 | art3mis_ | hell it even works in ice weasel! |
| 02:32.06 | art3mis_ | Shirik: > 3 != 3 ;) |
| 02:32.45 | cbreak | try elinks. |
| 02:32.45 | Shirik | >:3 |
| 02:32.49 | cbreak | it'll probably not work. |
| 02:33.18 | art3mis_ | heh |
| 02:33.24 | art3mis_ | I bet it would work in netscape too |
| 02:33.42 | art3mis_ | probably not links or lynx though |
| 02:33.51 | art3mis_ | so you may be right |
| 02:34.06 | art3mis_ | perhaps its not meant to work in any browser and the ones it does work in must be broken |
| 02:35.27 | art3mis_ | that said I think I'm going to bed now |
| 02:35.28 | art3mis_ | ni ni |
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| 02:42.41 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 02:43.02 | purl | ~pong |
| 02:43.02 | Adys | pong |
| 02:43.02 | haste | ~~~ |
| 02:44.08 | Shirik | owspam |
| 02:44.14 | Lukian | art3mis_, there's not much different between iceweasel and mozilla/firefox :p |
| 02:44.24 | Adys | but but the icon |
| 02:44.36 | Adys | also thats kinda wrong |
| 02:44.37 | Adys | since so many site sniff user agents |
| 02:44.43 | Adys | and will break under iceweasel but not ff |
| 02:44.49 | Adys | HELLO WOWARMORY BTW |
| 02:45.15 | Lukian | lol serious? fail |
| 02:45.17 | Adys | yes |
| 02:45.25 | Adys | the tooltips wont work under iceweasel in wowarmory |
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| 02:55.08 | Shirik | Adys: It gets better than that |
| 02:55.26 | Shirik | my school's ERNIE (student services site) |
| 02:55.41 | Shirik | forcibly terminates the connection on my blackberry |
| 02:55.41 | Shirik | I don't know why |
| 02:55.48 | Shirik | if I tell blackberry to identify as IE it works perfectly fine |
| 02:55.57 | Kaso | thats pretty lame |
| 02:56.02 | Kaso | UA filtering is stupid |
| 02:56.09 | Shirik | I can't decide if it's intentional or not |
| 02:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lots of sites do that |
| 02:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's intentiona; |
| 02:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | s/;/l/ |
| 02:56.26 | Shirik | why would you do that |
| 02:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Unknown UA? THEY MIGHT BE HACKERS TRYING TO BREAK OUR SITE |
| 02:56.50 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The "why" is really pointless |
| 02:56.56 | Shirik | no, hackers would use a real UA -_- |
| 02:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree |
| 02:57.04 | Wobin | haxx0rs ScytheBlade1's site with lynx |
| 02:57.13 | Kaso | if its one of these enterprisey web-apps that are only "supported" in IE6 so they filter the rest of them out. |
| 02:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: my site should actually look pretty good in lynx |
| 02:57.22 | Shirik | haxx0rs ScytheBlade1's site with wget |
| 02:57.26 | Adys | there are sites that use UAs etc because of potential spambots |
| 02:57.39 | |Jelly| | kneecaps Shirik for Cairenn. |
| 02:57.45 | Shirik | :( what did I do |
| 02:57.55 | |Jelly| | Oh, you know what you did! |
| 02:59.35 | Adys | or who. |
| 03:01.55 | Shirik | o.O |
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| 03:18.42 | DWSR | hey all |
| 03:19.16 | DWSR | What's Spell Penetration do? I mean, it just lets you ignore resistances? Isn't that a little useless? |
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| 03:19.42 | Adys | it dates from back when resist sets actually existed and were used in pvp |
| 03:19.42 | Adys | so |
| 03:20.01 | DWSR | They're still giving spell pen to arena items. |
| 03:20.06 | DWSR | Like the wands |
| 03:20.28 | Adys | who doesn't want penetration ratings on their wands |
| 03:20.49 | Scammed | anyone in channel been scammed and reported it? |
| 03:20.58 | Kaso | i know i like penetrating things with my... no wait i think not |
| 03:21.01 | Adys | its useless. |
| 03:21.38 | Scammed | adys: You talking about reporting, or about kaso's thing? |
| 03:21.44 | Adys | reporting |
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| 03:21.51 | Adys | its not banned or anything |
| 03:21.51 | Kaso | what happened to you scammed? |
| 03:22.03 | Adys | unless its account scam |
| 03:22.06 | Scammed | i knew it was a good chance of a scam |
| 03:22.37 | Scammed | 2 weeks ago guy was spamming /2 offering spectral tiger code. i suggested he ebay it since it had dollar value. |
| 03:22.48 | Scammed | he was back on today. |
| 03:23.20 | Arrowmaster | 100% scam |
| 03:23.25 | Adys | aye |
| 03:23.31 | DWSR | ^ |
| 03:23.33 | Arrowmaster | those things are wroth like $1000 on ebay |
| 03:23.36 | Scammed | so i made him a offer. knew it might be a scam but also thought his account would have been banned if other people had reported same character two weeks back. |
| 03:23.48 | Torhal | mikma: Ok, you can remove your CreateLines() function now. |
| 03:24.02 | Torhal | Err...CreateSpacer() |
| 03:24.15 | mikma | torhal: remove from where? |
| 03:24.19 | Scammed | i wasnt willing to offer more than i was willing to lose. also i figured that if it was a scam, seeing how blizzard dealth with it would be worth it. :D |
| 03:24.38 | Torhal | mikma: That graphical line thinger? I wrote a better version and integrated it into LQT. |
| 03:25.12 | Arrowmaster | you likely wont get your gold back but the guys account could get banned |
| 03:25.18 | Shirik | :/ |
| 03:25.20 | mikma | torhal: ah. so how does it work now? |
| 03:25.28 | Shirik | $ wc -l `find . | grep java$ | grep -v svn | grep -v djproject` | grep total |
| 03:25.29 | Torhal | mikma: The other one creates a texture every time, and that's really really bad. |
| 03:25.29 | Shirik | 22928 total |
| 03:25.33 | Shirik | ^ total lines in minion right now |
| 03:25.48 | Scammed | its already been escalated. i asked blizzard for 3 things. my gold back, his account banned, and for him to rot in hell. |
| 03:25.59 | Torhal | mikma: Same way, but uses a single backdrop so there's really nothing to clean up. It's tooltip:AddSeparator(height, r, g, b, a) |
| 03:26.23 | Scammed | ...thats in increasing order of preference btw |
| 03:26.51 | mikma | torhal: so, update LQT and LQTC and CreateSpacer -> AddSeparator .. check |
| 03:26.54 | Torhal | Scammed: If he's rotting in hell, it's pointless to ban him. |
| 03:26.55 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:27.07 | Torhal | mikma: Yup. |
| 03:27.38 | Scammed | right. but i wanted the account ban as backup in case they cant do the rot. |
| 03:28.46 | mikma | torhal: neat. its nicer to have it in LQT |
| 03:29.17 | DWSR | woo, just got Ironman |
| 03:29.34 | mikma | dvd? ;) |
| 03:29.44 | mikma | don't answer, it was a joke. |
| 03:29.45 | Scammed | so ... doesnt sound like anyone here has personal xp with reporting something like this. |
| 03:29.48 | DWSR | :P |
| 03:32.40 | Torhal | mikma: :D |
| 03:36.21 | Scammed | okay. later. |
| 03:38.09 | mikma | i still havent figured out how to see code in the new wowace |
| 03:39.18 | Arrowmaster | so yeah, soloing aq40 trash mobs |
| 03:39.18 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten 3 green mounts |
| 03:52.13 | mikma | torhal: "Download not secure, please try again." |
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| 03:56.19 | Arrowmaster | you enable flash |
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| 03:57.25 | Torhal | mikma: What Arrowmaster said |
| 03:57.27 | AnduinLothar | 5.5k dps on Decon :-D |
| 03:57.30 | Arrowmaster | OH WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT |
| 03:57.37 | mikma | it is, but its not "latest" |
| 03:57.49 | mikma | and cant update it cause its builtin xD |
| 03:57.56 | Arrowmaster | I HAVE 3 FUCKING CORPSES ON THE GROUND WITH GREEN QIRAJI MOUNTS ON THEM |
| 03:58.04 | Adys | okie |
| 03:58.06 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Hah |
| 03:58.17 | Torhal | mikma: You have the CC? |
| 03:58.31 | mikma | whateve the cc is, propably not. |
| 03:58.34 | Arrowmaster | ive goten 4 damn green mounts tonight and thats it |
| 03:58.42 | Torhal | mikma: CurseClient. |
| 03:58.46 | mikma | nope |
| 03:59.04 | Torhal | Ah. Well, if you can't download from WoWAce or Curse, that's the only option. |
| 03:59.07 | mikma | i'll nab the file tomorrow when my pc is on |
| 03:59.09 | DWSR | Suggestions on where to start leveling herbalism? |
| 03:59.37 | mikma | dwsr: starting areas |
| 04:00.05 | DWSR | I meant in particular. |
| 04:02.56 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Want the red one? :) |
| 04:04.34 | mikma | no! we want minion! |
| 04:04.46 | Shirik | I'm working on it! |
| 04:05.04 | Shirik | Trying to stomp this last elusive bug |
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| 04:05.13 | Shirik | addons are literally disappearing from the GUI, it's wierd |
| 04:05.29 | mikma | ouch |
| 04:05.37 | DWSR | The minion nomed them, STOP STARVING YOUR MINION |
| 04:05.50 | Shirik | and the log tells me why |
| 04:05.54 | Shirik | but my debugger says the log is lying |
| 04:06.08 | Shirik | so now I need to figure out which of the two to believe |
| 04:06.14 | DWSR | both |
| 04:06.17 | DWSR | The computer never lies. |
| 04:06.28 | DWSR | The problem always exists between keyboard and chair. |
| 04:06.43 | Shirik | or keyboard and bed in this case |
| 04:10.45 | Iriel | Oh great, you're asleep at the IDE |
| 04:11.56 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: red and blue |
| 04:12.05 | Arrowmaster | just got a yellow but i already have it |
| 04:17.26 | Arrowmaster | 4 green and 1 yellow rotting on corpses now |
| 04:17.42 | kd3 | grr |
| 04:19.09 | Arrowmaster | i swear i have this little pile of eradicator corspes at the bottem of the stairs that all have green mounts on them |
| 04:20.09 | Arrowmaster | ive earned 2900 rep so far so thats 29 kills |
| 04:28.43 | Arrowmaster | so i left the instance and less than 9 minutes later i cant get back in |
| 04:29.21 | Arrowmaster | does this mean my instance reset in less than 9 minutes of nobody being inside? |
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| 04:48.04 | Adys | what do you mean Arrowmaster ? |
| 04:48.29 | Arrowmaster | "Additional instances cannot be launched, please try again later." |
| 04:49.30 | Adys | its just the servers crapping up |
| 04:54.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah but if i would have managed to get back in before 30 minutes were up my instance still would have ended up reset |
| 04:54.12 | Arrowmaster | right? |
| 04:54.32 | Adys | not sure about that |
| 04:54.32 | Adys | but |
| 04:54.42 | Adys | if it says its trying to launch an instance then yes its probably lost |
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| 05:02.33 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Perhaps the servers have a feature to more quickly close instances in high demand |
| 05:02.36 | Shirik | It would make sense |
| 05:02.51 | Shirik | no sense leaving an instance open for 30 minutes when nobody's in it if other people are being denied |
| 05:03.31 | Arrowmaster | but i was just running outside to repair =( |
| 05:03.33 | Shirik | One has to assume that a LOT of time was spent optimizing wow server-side |
| 05:03.46 | Adys | l2mammoth |
| 05:05.23 | Arrowmaster | im a cheapass |
| 05:05.41 | Arrowmaster | and mammoths dont have exalted discounts on repair price |
| 05:09.06 | Adys | meh |
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| 05:20.01 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 05:21.00 | Lothaer | seems to be a issue with LibQTip-1.0 and BrokerFactions http://wowuidev.pastey.net/submit.php |
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| 05:27.03 | tekkub | I demand the updated be renamed |
| 05:27.11 | tekkub | it should be the MMOUI minionion |
| 05:28.02 | Wobin | hm |
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| 05:28.20 | Wobin | form of "syllabus" when referring to a singular grouping? |
| 05:28.40 | tekkub | huh? |
| 05:28.41 | Lothaer | is the minion in beta yet? |
| 05:28.51 | Wobin | as in "Tailored mathematics syllab(us|i) for American remedial students"? |
| 05:29.04 | kd3 | I think you'd just use syllabus |
| 05:29.12 | Shirik | Lothaer: It's in RC for beta. If everything goes well, it will be Sunday |
| 05:29.55 | tekkub | plural is syllabii |
| 05:30.08 | Lothaer | link plz shirik |
| 05:30.14 | Shirik | link? |
| 05:30.19 | Lothaer | for the minion |
| 05:30.21 | Lothaer | me wanty now :D |
| 05:30.24 | Wobin | plural, yes, but in that context? |
| 05:30.29 | Shirik | I said Sunday! |
| 05:30.33 | Lothaer | awwww |
| 05:30.38 | Lothaer | me a sad panda |
| 05:30.39 | tekkub | is that context plural? it sounds like it is |
| 05:30.45 | Shirik | wait a few hours :P |
| 05:30.47 | tekkub | it is Sunday |
| 05:30.50 | Lothaer | and it is Sunday |
| 05:30.53 | Lothaer | for me atleast |
| 05:30.53 | Shirik | not for me |
| 05:30.56 | Wobin | it's well into sunday |
| 05:31.00 | kd3 | it's 1:30 already |
| 05:31.02 | Lothaer | Aussie Aussie Aussie |
| 05:31.02 | Shirik | it's 10:30 at night |
| 05:31.10 | tekkub | you don't matter, it's Sunday in UTC |
| 05:31.10 | Wobin | Oi Oi Oi |
| 05:31.11 | Lothaer | its 1500 Sunday |
| 05:31.16 | tekkub | you can't question UTC |
| 05:31.24 | Shirik | UTC it's 10:30 |
| 05:31.27 | Shirik | UTC revolves around me |
| 05:31.32 | Shirik | you obviously missed the unleap hours |
| 05:31.42 | tekkub | no that RaSTC |
| 05:31.43 | Wobin | Greenwich Mean Shirik |
| 05:31.48 | Lothaer | heres a question, is there a way for me to see what the stats on my Tattered Dreadmist Mantle will be at the next level? |
| 05:31.55 | Torhal | Lothaer: Your pastey is malformed :) |
| 05:32.05 | Torhal | submit.php, to be precise |
| 05:32.06 | tekkub | Lothaer: uh, wowhead? |
| 05:32.21 | Lothaer | Tekkub: in game i want |
| 05:32.26 | tekkub | too bad |
| 05:32.56 | tekkub | link it to a toon of that level and check there |
| 05:33.10 | Lothaer | Torhal: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114792 |
| 05:33.37 | tekkub | you know what would be cool |
| 05:33.42 | tekkub | flying bear mounts |
| 05:34.01 | Lothaer | theres the new Magic Chicken mount :D |
| 05:34.10 | Torhal | Lothaer: Gah. I'll fix. I was waiting for Tristanian to come on IRC to talk to him about it, but fuggit. |
| 05:34.20 | Lothaer | cheers mate |
| 05:34.28 | Lothaer | i got Trist on MSN but hes not on atm |
| 05:34.31 | Wobin | Lothaer: http://quickarmory.com/heirloom.php |
| 05:34.35 | Lothaer | he lives in Greece i think |
| 05:34.48 | tekkub | screw chicken, chocobo >>>> chicken |
| 05:34.50 | tekkub | KWEH! |
| 05:35.00 | Torhal | Lothaer: He wrote on the WoWAce forum, I responded within 2 minutes...guess he didn't get it |
| 05:35.23 | Lothaer | kk let me know when its updated so i can get it |
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| 05:36.34 | Lothaer | http://warcraftmounts.com/mounts/magicrooster.php |
| 05:36.37 | Lothaer | me want it :D |
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| 05:41.58 | tekkub | god they're gunning out of ideas |
| 05:42.17 | tekkub | besides, who wants to sit on a cock |
| 05:42.25 | tekkub | *crickets* |
| 05:42.39 | Adys | tzz tzz tzz tzz tzz. |
| 05:43.35 | Shirik | thwacks tekkub |
| 05:43.46 | tekkub | lower |
| 05:46.33 | Fisker- | i saw what you did there |
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| 05:51.19 | Torhal | Lothaer: Ok, r87 should fix the issue. |
| 05:51.53 | Lothaer | cheers ill go test it now |
| 05:54.23 | Lothaer | all fixed :D |
| 06:02.47 | Torhal | Lothaer: Yay :) |
| 06:05.24 | Lothaer | :P |
| 06:06.40 | Torhal | Lothaer: The ironic thing is, the code that was breaking the older libs was meant to ensure a full upgrade path. |
| 06:08.38 | Lothaer | roflmao |
| 06:08.46 | Lothaer | dont ya just hate shit like that |
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| 06:11.15 | Torhal | Hehe, yah :) |
| 06:11.30 | Torhal | I didn't think it was necessary but Adirelle added it anyway. |
| 06:11.40 | Torhal | I just commented it out in case he felt like fixing it. |
| 06:15.18 | Lothaer | kk lol |
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| 06:35.00 | Arrowmaster | got back into aq40 |
| 06:35.06 | Arrowmaster | first kill another damn green mount |
| 06:37.02 | Arrowmaster | yellow on the 2nd |
| 06:39.22 | Arrowmaster | rofl garb of royal ascension on 3rd kill |
| 06:43.36 | Kaso | Shadow resist gear! |
| 06:44.22 | Kaso | The item i always wanted when we did AQ40 was the meteor trinket |
| 06:44.27 | Arrowmaster | i still have my lvl 70 shadow resist gear |
| 06:44.34 | Arrowmaster | i want the tenticle trinket |
| 06:44.46 | Kaso | even after it got nerfed i wanted that trink just for the wtf factor |
| 06:44.48 | Kaso | shame it was so rare |
| 06:45.05 | Arrowmaster | used to be effected by spellpower didnt it? |
| 06:45.06 | Kaso | the tenticle trinket, everyone tom dick and harry had that (well perhaps not, but it wasnt as rare) |
| 06:45.27 | Kaso | Yah, it was effected by spellpower something crazy |
| 06:45.40 | Kaso | i cant remeber the details but it got much more spell power than it should have |
| 06:45.58 | Arrowmaster | gona try another 4pull again, if i get a bad combo and cant run out before my pet dies ill be done for a while, out of shards |
| 06:46.08 | Kaso | i think instead of the spellpower being added onto the meteor damage it was added on to the damage each person in the meteor range took |
| 06:46.10 | Kaso | something like that |
| 06:46.17 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:46.59 | Arrowmaster | ok im done for a while |
| 06:47.11 | Arrowmaster | mortal strike and a rejuve one |
| 06:47.20 | Arrowmaster | i learned earlyer i cant kill the rejuv |
| 06:48.30 | Arrowmaster | well earlier it was a rejuv + knockback so i kept getting aggro and it killed me once i got it to 50% and it enraged |
| 06:49.49 | Kaso | I remeber wiping on those pulls with 40 man, now a warlock and take them down alone if he has luck on his side |
| 06:49.55 | Kaso | how times change |
| 06:50.14 | Arrowmaster | we used to 3man the eradicators at 60 |
| 06:50.22 | Arrowmaster | warrior + priest + warlock |
| 06:51.05 | Arrowmaster | im a master fucking ninja warlock and could pull the last 2 eradicators without aggroing the first 4 pack, but i needed the priests help to know when to pull |
| 06:52.59 | Arrowmaster | i would send my phase shifted imp around the corner then the priest would use mindvision to tell me when the eradicators where in good spots to attack them with the imp, eradicator kills imp then comes after me around the corner without aggroing the 4pack |
| 06:53.16 | kd3 | har |
| 06:54.52 | Arrowmaster | so i found a bug, my hearthstone has a 54 minute cooldown right now |
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| 06:56.25 | Wobin | anyone recognise this movie? http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/squizzy01/namethatmovie2.jpg |
| 06:56.32 | Kaso | yah |
| 06:56.36 | Kaso | its fifth element isnt it? |
| 06:56.57 | Kaso | or at least, it seems the right style to be |
| 06:57.01 | Arrowmaster | so should i post the bug on the suggestion forums? |
| 06:57.02 | Kaso | i cant remeber if there was a cat |
| 06:57.37 | Iriel | its that or one of the alien ones (3? 4?) |
| 06:57.39 | Iriel | (4) |
| 06:58.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah, it looks like fifth element but i dont remember a cat |
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| 06:58.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont think its aliens since the window has shades |
| 07:00.00 | Wobin | In Space, Noone Can See You ... Screen? |
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| 07:08.03 | Arrowmaster | bug i found http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367877840&postId=173662250578&sid=1#0 |
| 07:09.46 | Torhal | It's Fifth Element. Bruce Willis's character owned one. |
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| 07:11.09 | Wobin | heheh thanks =) |
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| 07:25.36 | batrick | ~lua 8 |
| 07:25.41 | batrick | oops |
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| 07:42.55 | d87_ | could someone briefly explain me situation after 3.1.x for priests and warlocks for both pve/pvp ? i was taking a long break and now planning to return and kinda confused |
| 07:42.57 | Lothaer | Shirik: is it Sunday yet? |
| 07:43.17 | Lothaer | if you wanna PvP as a priest go Disc |
| 07:47.08 | Lukian | hey t, they are in #wowhead |
| 07:47.41 | Lukian | I'm assuming their elsewhere too, because you are doing a good job of killing the spammers off :) |
| 07:48.16 | Wobin | Everybody have fun tonight! |
| 07:48.20 | Wobin | Everybody Wang Chung tonight! |
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| 07:56.02 | Lothaer | is has to be sunday now |
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| 08:07.57 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: you there |
| 08:11.32 | msou| | God I love wowhead |
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| 08:13.31 | Lothaer | wowhead is good |
| 08:13.34 | Lothaer | so is wowdb |
| 08:13.59 | msou| | Wowwiki/Wowhead =) |
| 08:14.01 | msou| | For me |
| 08:14.11 | msou| | And will check wow-professions later |
| 08:14.38 | msou| | my problem is... there are certain dailies right |
| 08:14.48 | msou| | and QH shows you where you should be "after" |
| 08:14.57 | msou| | Not sure if it should work like this |
| 08:15.11 | msou| | Like nothing about A straight to B |
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| 08:15.21 | msou| | And without A you cannot get B |
| 08:16.08 | msou| | Wobin: ping |
| 08:16.16 | Lothaer | i remember when Thottbot was the shit |
| 08:16.20 | Wobin | aye? |
| 08:16.20 | Lothaer | now its just shit imo |
| 08:16.34 | msou| | Wobin: I got the Axe I told you about =) |
| 08:16.45 | Wobin | H HoL? |
| 08:16.50 | msou| | Aye |
| 08:16.57 | msou| | Actually I got a decent set now |
| 08:17.08 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 08:17.15 | msou| | Yesterday a fella gave me Gems for free |
| 08:17.23 | Wobin | grats =) |
| 08:17.31 | msou| | hrm, wowarmory is down or some such |
| 08:17.32 | msou| | Thanks |
| 08:17.41 | msou| | I have to complete the set though tier 7 :/ |
| 08:17.50 | msou| | shoulder, helmet legs waist |
| 08:18.01 | msou| | and those only drops from naxx I heard |
| 08:18.29 | msou| | Wish it was emblems of heroism... could have gotten them sooner |
| 08:23.05 | msou| | it's a good idea to do certain dailies were you get reps as well as good items i.e. the sindo'rei sword |
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| 08:24.23 | msou| | the only daily I didn't get to it enemy at the gate |
| 08:24.39 | msou| | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.52 | msou| | etc just never got into it... probably will leave it for last tonight |
| 08:25.02 | msou| | down by 400G :/ |
| 08:25.25 | msou| | travellling from crystal song to zuldarak and back to tournament with no artisan is a pain in the arse |
| 08:25.31 | msou| | travelling even |
| 08:26.52 | msou| | bbl |
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| 08:38.48 | Fisker- | http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6475/deadm.jpg <-lol'd |
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| 10:57.13 | Arrowmaster | so who can guess what classic scifi movie i just watched? "game over man, game over" |
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| 11:13.27 | zenzelezz | Aliens |
| 11:15.17 | zenzelezz | I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. Only way to be sure. |
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| 11:45.31 | pwntang | hi all. Should I be able to parent font strings to other font strings so that when one is hidden the other is also hidden automatically? |
| 11:45.47 | jnwhiteh | no, font strings are not frames |
| 11:46.00 | pwntang | ah, ok. This only works with frames? |
| 11:46.01 | jnwhiteh | parent them both to a frame, and when that frame is hidden, they are hidden |
| 11:46.05 | jnwhiteh | frames own fontstrings, yes. |
| 11:46.38 | pwntang | what I'm trying to do is create two fontstrings, then make it so that when one is hidden, the other is also hidden automatically |
| 11:46.49 | pwntang | I also want to do this with a texture |
| 11:47.02 | pwntang | ie...when you have no gold, the gold icon dissapears |
| 11:47.10 | cbreak | make a parent frame to group them? |
| 11:47.21 | pwntang | which also makes the string dissapear |
| 11:47.40 | pwntang | you can make a frame within a frame? |
| 11:47.45 | cbreak | yes |
| 11:49.02 | pwntang | what is the purpose of setting a texture's parent? Would you have to make a frame and set the texture's parent to the frame you created? |
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| 11:57.49 | pwntang | is it okay to create a frame within a <Layer>? |
| 11:57.57 | zenzelezz | no |
| 11:58.02 | zenzelezz | that's what <Frames> are for |
| 11:58.18 | pwntang | ok, cool. Thanks |
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| 12:15.24 | Lothaer | ~seen Shirik |
| 12:15.26 | purl | shirik <n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 6h 43m 54s ago, saying: 'you obviously missed the unleap hours'. |
| 12:15.44 | Lothaer | LF Minion PST |
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| 12:25.16 | zenzelezz | Lothaer: sorry, he's Cairenn's minion |
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| 12:42.39 | Lothaer | lol |
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| 12:51.13 | jnwhiteh | can you become a valiant for a faction other than your home faction? |
| 12:53.35 | cbreak | yes |
| 12:53.48 | cbreak | after you become champion, you can chose an other faction |
| 12:53.51 | jnwhiteh | oh cool |
| 12:54.06 | cbreak | But I think you can only chose cities of your own side |
| 12:54.13 | jnwhiteh | and i can't challenge other riders without the quest for it, can I? |
| 12:54.13 | cbreak | so no tauren valiant as human |
| 12:54.19 | jnwhiteh | i mean i have the debuff for an hour |
| 12:54.24 | Fisker- | hey jnwhiteh |
| 12:54.31 | cbreak | you can fight as many as you want without quest |
| 12:54.38 | cbreak | if you wait for it to expire |
| 12:54.49 | foxlit | You do need a quest, though |
| 12:54.59 | cbreak | you do? weird. |
| 12:55.19 | foxlit | They'll just shoo you off otherwise |
| 12:55.23 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 12:55.26 | foxlit | But that same quest works on all valiants |
| 12:55.31 | jnwhiteh | so i have to wait until tomorrow |
| 12:55.42 | foxlit | what for? |
| 12:55.52 | jnwhiteh | i already did that quest once today |
| 12:55.56 | jnwhiteh | i may be misunderstanding :P |
| 12:56.26 | foxlit | Your ability to switch factions isn't conditional on your ability to challenge valiants :) |
| 12:56.46 | jnwhiteh | but I'm not a champion |
| 12:57.20 | jnwhiteh | looks like its gonna take me 5 days to do that |
| 12:57.24 | jnwhiteh | today included. |
| 12:57.26 | foxlit | Correct. |
| 12:57.34 | foxlit | 25 tokens / 5 tokens / day |
| 12:57.40 | jnwhiteh | k, I just want to make sure I'm understanding right =) |
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| 12:57.57 | foxlit | The hour-long debuffs seem pointless |
| 12:58.01 | jnwhiteh | k =) |
| 12:58.10 | jnwhiteh | thats why i was confused. |
| 12:58.29 | foxlit | None of the champions/valiants seem to be sufficiently different to warrant a "I'll just duel X Y times in a row" stategy |
| 12:59.44 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 12:59.46 | jnwhiteh | weather beaten fishing hat |
| 12:59.48 | jnwhiteh | yay! |
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| 13:20.57 | Roofel | Could anyone tell me what event I have to register to get spell casts from raid/party members or just allied players in general? :) |
| 13:21.21 | Roofel | Trying to find it and have seen it before but just cant freaking find it <.< |
| 13:21.35 | jnwhiteh | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 13:22.15 | Roofel | Register that event then? |
| 13:22.21 | jnwhiteh | yes, but its notthat simple |
| 13:22.32 | jnwhiteh | you have to look into the documentation of the event and figure out how to get the information oyu need |
| 13:22.36 | jnwhiteh | but it should be that event |
| 13:22.44 | Roofel | Yeah, I am looking into it at the moment :P |
| 13:22.47 | Roofel | Wowwiki ftw ^^, |
| 13:22.55 | jnwhiteh | not always, but in this case yes |
| 13:23.05 | jnwhiteh | i really need to document that event on wowprogramming.com |
| 13:23.07 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:23.11 | Roofel | ^^, |
| 13:23.40 | foxlit | "not always," << meh, work on that instead. |
| 13:24.02 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 13:24.02 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:24.22 | jnwhiteh | wowwiki is fundamentally flawed |
| 13:24.23 | Roofel | Also, when having the RegisterEvent calls at the start of the code and when it "refers" to a frame that is created later on, it doesnt work right? |
| 13:24.37 | jnwhiteh | Roofel: i'm not really sure I understand your question |
| 13:24.38 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: how so? |
| 13:24.49 | jnwhiteh | zenzelezz: its not driven by anything |
| 13:24.55 | Roofel | Currently creating the frames in lua due to finding xml schema quiet... confusing :P |
| 13:24.59 | jnwhiteh | sure, I could write a script that pushes pages, but that is a freaking nightmare |
| 13:25.14 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming.com, regardless of whether or not everything is FULLY documented.. at least can tell you the state of the API |
| 13:25.15 | Roofel | Well, I have all my RegisterEvent calls on the start of the lua file |
| 13:25.20 | jnwhiteh | what events. widgets, functions are available. |
| 13:25.28 | jnwhiteh | so its clear what needs to be documented and changed |
| 13:25.31 | jnwhiteh | Roofel: okay |
| 13:25.35 | Lothaer | well im going to be guys, have a good one |
| 13:25.42 | Roofel | but im creating my frame later on in the file, it tells me something is wrong when using it... |
| 13:25.48 | Roofel | Is it because technically it isnt created yet? |
| 13:25.52 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: its not that simple.. i can't contribute my data to wowwiki.. and I'm not sure I would waste my time if I could |
| 13:26.00 | jnwhiteh | Roofel: yes, that would be an issue |
| 13:26.20 | Roofel | and the problem of having the eventregistering on the bottom of the lua file is? :P |
| 13:26.30 | jnwhiteh | there isn't one |
| 13:26.37 | Roofel | Jesus, should come here more often :P |
| 13:26.38 | Roofel | Thanks xD |
| 13:26.55 | foxlit | I realize that any sort of import scheme would be doomed. |
| 13:27.12 | jnwhiteh | what we have works quite well on wowprogramming |
| 13:27.34 | jnwhiteh | and I'm not really sure what you're getting at.. or trying to express. |
| 13:27.35 | foxlit | It just doesn't do what we're talking about -- namely, import to wowwiki. |
| 13:27.47 | jnwhiteh | I don't think the data needs to be on wowwiki |
| 13:28.20 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure why I should abandon all of my efforts to document on another site |
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| 13:31.08 | jnwhiteh | If you'd like to be clearer about what you want or expect me to do.. I can respond better |
| 13:31.38 | foxlit | I don't want or expect you to do anything in particular. |
| 13:31.54 | jnwhiteh | Yet you are suggesting something, and I'm not entirely sure what that _is_ |
| 13:32.00 | jnwhiteh | if you could clarify I would appreciate it. |
| 13:36.49 | foxlit | The original comment was half-trolling; while I could probably convert it to something more meaningful, I'm not sure whether I really want to go there. Take it as a failed attempt at humor. |
| 13:37.06 | jnwhiteh | Alright |
| 13:40.53 | Industrial | meh, can I compare 2 items together with one on wowhead? |
| 13:41.03 | Industrial | eg, to dual-wield or not to dual wield |
| 13:41.20 | foxlit | You could probably add them all to whatever compare functionality wowhead offers. |
| 13:41.24 | foxlit | Then do your own math to sum stats |
| 13:46.45 | jnwhiteh | shouldn't engravings give you a score for each |
| 13:46.49 | jnwhiteh | which you can add together? |
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| 14:07.36 | Roofel | Hmm, anyone see anything wrong in this part of my code? Its supposed to trigger on Mark of the Wild being cast yet it doesnt trigger and doesnt show any errors either :S |
| 14:07.50 | Roofel | http://pastebin.com/d4bfae507 |
| 14:08.37 | zenzelezz | is that literally how your code looks? |
| 14:09.05 | Roofel | Nah, just checking stuff out :P |
| 14:09.06 | jnwhiteh | you don't set an OnEvent handler |
| 14:09.06 | jnwhiteh | for one |
| 14:09.20 | zenzelezz | Roofel: helps if you present code as-is |
| 14:09.45 | Roofel | Hmm, I had an OnEvent Handler there somewhere... |
| 14:09.50 | Roofel | Must have deleted it |
| 14:09.53 | Roofel | lets check now :P |
| 14:10.12 | zenzelezz | because in that pastey, like jnwhiteh said, your code is just floating around meaninglessly |
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| 14:11.08 | Roofel | As of now its highly incomplete as im doing 1 part at a time, but let me paste it :P |
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| 14:12.10 | Roofel | http://pastebin.com/dcce3ab1 |
| 14:12.26 | jnwhiteh | Function is not valid syntax |
| 14:12.32 | jnwhiteh | adn you never set the OnEvent handler |
| 14:13.47 | Roofel | Hmm, gotta dig some more then |
| 14:15.31 | Roofel | Hmm, the OnEvent handler was the SetScript part right? atleast that is what im reading :P |
| 14:17.09 | zenzelezz | yes |
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| 14:25.06 | Roofel | Hmm, still something is wrong, now im getting an constant error about "expected <eof> near End" .... |
| 14:25.08 | Roofel | http://pastebin.com/d682d067e |
| 14:25.16 | Roofel | any clues? |
| 14:26.17 | zenzelezz | captial F in "function" should be lowercase at least, I believe |
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| 14:27.00 | Roofel | omg... |
| 14:27.05 | Roofel | seems that was the error :P |
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| 14:28.02 | Roofel | its still not getting down to the part where it prints the message... cant see where its derailing |
| 14:28.11 | Roofel | I ask much but yeah, really want to figure this out :P |
| 14:29.09 | Roofel | Do I have to include the rank name and such for it to trigger on Mark of the Wild or? |
| 14:29.13 | Roofel | number* |
| 14:29.46 | Wobin | You'll have to check out the event to make sure |
| 14:29.46 | zenzelezz | have you placed any debugging output in the function to make sure it's being called at all? |
| 14:30.09 | Roofel | Hmm, can make some debugg checks |
| 14:31.30 | Roofel | Hmm, its the event calling that messes up it seems |
| 14:31.42 | Roofel | past that point, it doesnt print anything :P |
| 14:31.43 | zenzelezz | do you mean that the function is never called? |
| 14:31.48 | Roofel | seems like it |
| 14:32.18 | Roofel | yet I got the SetScript and such worked out it seems |
| 14:32.27 | zenzelezz | I don't remember how sensitive the lua interpreter is. Try moving your SetScript() below the frame_OnEvent function and see if it makes a difference |
| 14:33.05 | Roofel | >.< |
| 14:33.12 | Roofel | Moved it to the bottom and it suddenly decided to work |
| 14:33.29 | zenzelezz | you were calling SetScript with a value that had not yet been defined |
| 14:33.30 | Roofel | yet it didnt work the first times, probably because the function had an F in capital :P |
| 14:33.37 | Roofel | Hmm, makes sense:S |
| 14:33.44 | zenzelezz | in most languages that won't work, because they simply evaluate top-bottom |
| 14:33.54 | Roofel | Same happend earlier when I was calling for some attributes to a frame that wasnt even created yet >.< |
| 14:35.10 | Roofel | Hmm, it comes down to " |
| 14:35.12 | Roofel | if (event=="COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") then |
| 14:35.13 | Roofel | if (type=="SPELL_AURA_APPLIED") then |
| 14:35.15 | Roofel | then it stops :S |
| 14:35.19 | Roofel | Hmm wait |
| 14:35.27 | Roofel | Let me check now |
| 14:35.54 | zenzelezz | think "type" is a reserved word |
| 14:36.26 | Roofel | Got this line above |
| 14:36.27 | Roofel | local timestamp, type, sourceGUID, sourceName, sourceFlags, destGUID, destName, destFlags = select(1, ...) |
| 14:36.32 | Roofel | got it from Wowwiki so.. |
| 14:36.48 | Roofel | said something about it having to be there <.< |
| 14:37.54 | Roofel | here is the link btw: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Events |
| 14:38.10 | Roofel | if you check under "Examples" it says "type" there aswell -.- |
| 14:38.21 | Roofel | Confusing as hell |
| 14:38.54 | zenzelezz | then I was probably wrong |
| 14:39.27 | Roofel | but still cant see where the error is :S |
| 14:39.28 | zenzelezz | did you try printing out "type" inside the first if to see what the value is? |
| 14:39.40 | Roofel | How? |
| 14:40.05 | zenzelezz | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("type=" .. type); |
| 14:40.07 | zenzelezz | for example |
| 14:40.09 | Roofel | tried putting some "print" below "If spellName" but that one didnt trigger |
| 14:40.59 | zenzelezz | well hold on a moment, let me see if I misunderstood you |
| 14:41.15 | Roofel | omg.. |
| 14:41.16 | zenzelezz | your code gets inside the SPELL_AURA_APPLIED if? |
| 14:41.17 | Roofel | Figured it out |
| 14:41.31 | Roofel | while trying I applied Mark of the Wild several times |
| 14:41.47 | Roofel | when I refreshed it returned "SPELL_AURA_REFRESH" |
| 14:41.59 | Roofel | in other words not triggering the rest of it :P |
| 14:42.03 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 14:42.28 | Roofel | The buff im supposed to watch for is Innervate |
| 14:42.35 | Roofel | but as I cant spam that due to cooldown |
| 14:42.38 | Roofel | I changed it with Mark :P |
| 14:43.10 | Roofel | Should probably add an "SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS" instead of Aura |
| 14:43.18 | Roofel | that way it gets it even if it is refreshed |
| 14:44.24 | Roofel | Hmm, learning loads while testing this out ;) |
| 14:45.00 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 14:45.53 | Roofel | Is it possible to get who cast it during that function or do I have to make another one for that? |
| 14:47.29 | Roofel | Seems I can get it into 1 function with Destname |
| 14:47.58 | zenzelezz | I would think destname is who it's cast on, while srcname is who cast it; but I could be wrong. The page should say which is right |
| 14:48.36 | Roofel | aye, saw that now :P |
| 14:48.48 | Roofel | sourceName is what I have to look after |
| 14:51.23 | Roofel | http://pastebin.com/d66033b9b |
| 14:51.42 | Roofel | What I have now, yet im getting error (tried doing the debuff thing there aswell, think it is because its not set to anything..) |
| 14:52.34 | zenzelezz | we're not psychic, tell us what error you are getting |
| 14:52.50 | Roofel | Ah true xD |
| 14:53.13 | Roofel | "Unexpected symbol near '..'" |
| 14:53.53 | zenzelezz | your .. are in the wrong place. You want them between sourceName and the string |
| 14:54.03 | Roofel | ah |
| 14:54.28 | Roofel | Sweet |
| 14:54.30 | Roofel | it works :P |
| 14:55.10 | Roofel | Finally done with that part :P |
| 14:55.31 | Roofel | Your helping me shitloads btw, would be stuck at the function part still without :P |
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| 15:00.27 | Roofel | One more quick question, do I have to insert an edit box into my original frame to make it recieve text? |
| 15:01.26 | Roofel | or wait, gonna try something first |
| 15:02.06 | Fisker- | pulls a knife |
| 15:02.12 | Roofel | ... |
| 15:02.13 | Fisker- | you all gonna get it see? |
| 15:02.18 | Roofel | xD |
| 15:02.37 | Bruners | pulls a larger knife |
| 15:02.52 | Grum | wimps, /me cuts |
| 15:03.55 | Fisker- | pulls a larger knife |
| 15:04.07 | Fisker- | what the fuck are you gonna do? |
| 15:04.16 | Grum | cuts Fisker- in the eye |
| 15:04.29 | Fisker- | cuts Grum in the lower torso |
| 15:04.38 | Grum | i dont have one |
| 15:04.48 | Fisker- | oh yes you do |
| 15:05.13 | Grum | hahaha lies |
| 15:05.16 | Fisker- | lols |
| 15:05.20 | Fisker- | a gay raped a guy |
| 15:05.21 | Fisker- | lololol |
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| 15:09.41 | Fisker- | kills Bruners |
| 15:09.48 | Fisker- | i totally forgot |
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| 15:15.32 | Fisker- | down with Shirik |
| 15:16.51 | pwntang | is there some way you can hide a texture using a lua api command? I want to be able to set the hidden="true" within the XML effectively |
| 15:17.03 | pwntang | from a lua script |
| 15:18.32 | pwntang | I think I have it now |
| 15:18.43 | pwntang | texturename:show() & texturename:hide() |
| 15:23.30 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/yodawg.jpg |
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| 15:28.44 | Roofel | :P |
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| 15:36.09 | Roofel | Hmm, anyone know how I can make a function display the "result" in a usual frame created by "CreateFrame" or do I have to do some workaround for that? |
| 15:36.40 | Roofel | Tried looking at a few addons but cant figure out how they fix it :S |
| 15:36.58 | zenzelezz | result of what? |
| 15:36.59 | Shirik | huh? |
| 15:37.20 | Roofel | Well, Im going to make a "monitor" that monitors who have used what ability and who havent |
| 15:37.30 | Roofel | Like who have already used Rebirth/Innervate and who still got it ready |
| 15:37.57 | Roofel | Got the event handling and such figured out thanks to zenzelezz but I need to have it listed into a frame I created :P |
| 15:38.01 | Roofel | Hard to explain really |
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| 15:38.41 | zenzelezz | what is it you want to display? |
| 15:39.19 | Roofel_|_BRB | Who have already used it, the message and such is something I can figure out, just how I can "implement" it :P |
| 15:40.17 | Roofel | Checked around on the "SetText" but that only goes for button, editbox and such |
| 15:40.18 | zenzelezz | you're still not explaining it very well. What are you trying to do, display some text somewhere? |
| 15:40.35 | Kraps | a hunter rolled and won http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37179 and i was so distracted i got the healer almost killed twice |
| 15:41.04 | Roofel | Yes zenzelezz, display who have already used it in a table, like recount records deaths and such (best example I can think off) |
| 15:41.21 | Shirik | hunter weapon Kraps |
| 15:41.29 | Roofel | I got the idea set up, but its really hard to explain :P |
| 15:41.37 | zenzelezz | Roofel: you need to decide what you want to do. If you just want to display text, a fontstring should be enough. If you want a list, you need to do more work |
| 15:41.51 | Kraps | Shirik: dk wanted it for off set |
| 15:42.22 | Kraps | oh yeah, and then http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37181 dropped |
| 15:42.37 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.25 | Roofel | okey zenzelezz, ill check for some solutions and test em out |
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| 16:31.41 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences |
| 16:31.43 | Adys | amazing. |
| 16:33.45 | Adys | Traditionally, disc used to be British and disk American. Both spellings are etymologically sound (Greek diskos, Latin discus), although disk is earlier. In computing, disc is used for optical discs (e.g. a CD, Compact Disc; DVD, Digital Versatile/Video Disc) while disk is used for products using magnetic storage (e.g. hard disk and floppy disk; short for diskette). |
| 16:33.48 | Adys | the more you know |
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| 16:40.51 | Fisker- | "titbit" |
| 16:40.52 | Fisker- | wee |
| 16:41.25 | Adys | that means small penis in french |
| 16:42.33 | Wobin | hm |
| 16:42.55 | Wobin | If I give my permission to an addon to be used in a compilation, what does that do in terms of release to say, Wowmatrix? |
| 16:43.17 | Ackis | Wobin: which compilation? |
| 16:43.26 | zenzelezz | don't worry Wobin, I'm sure Wowmatrix will still accept your addons then |
| 16:43.30 | Wobin | WoWZine |
| 16:43.50 | Ackis | ahh i got that same mail |
| 16:44.14 | Wobin | I'm just wondering about how the redistribution through the compilation would affect whether WM would be able to distribute it |
| 16:44.40 | Wobin | I guess I could say "Sure, as long as WM never gets their dirty mitts on it" |
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| 16:47.32 | Fisker- | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:54.42 | zenzelezz | how tough is Northrend at 68, tougher than Outland was at 58? |
| 16:55.02 | cbreak | I was never there as 68. But it was cake as 70. |
| 16:55.53 | zenzelezz | well I entered Northrend as a protection specced, protection geared warrior, this time it'll be a squishy discipline priest in quest greens, either at 68 or 70 :-p |
| 17:06.18 | Arrowmaster | i think its movie day, ive watched 4 movies so far |
| 17:07.39 | zenzelezz | all the Alien series? |
| 17:08.00 | Bruners | mounts Fisker- |
| 17:08.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:09.23 | Arrowmaster | aliens was just the first one i watched today, i watched alien a few months ago on the laptop when the power when out in the middle of the night |
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| 17:30.17 | mikma | gah :O |
| 17:30.48 | mikma | decisions decisions .. 2/2 On a pale horse, or 1/1 Unholy Blight + 1/1 Bone Armor (pvp spec) |
| 17:31.32 | mikma | i'll try OaPH for now, since bone armor has longer cd :P |
| 17:32.58 | mikma | or just skip the 2/2 death grip and get them all! |
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| 17:33.56 | Fisker- | come with me if you don't want to live |
| 17:34.48 | zenzelezz | the deathknight mount doesn't look very pale to me |
| 17:35.17 | mikma | that would be awesome tho, 1/2 and 2/2 makes your mount pale |
| 17:37.53 | pwntang | has anyone ever made a scrolling frame within xml? I'm trying to make a log of events that fill a <scrollframe> |
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| 18:02.28 | tekkub | if I download this and it suck, I'm going to be pissed |
| 18:02.30 | tekkub | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001U7FWM8?ie=UTF8&tag=berniezimmerm-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001U7FWM8 |
| 18:02.34 | tekkub | *sucks |
| 18:08.05 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder why Blizzard keeps putting those weird creature-type-specific enchants in the game. Has anyone anywhere ever seriously used Giant Slayer? |
| 18:08.37 | zenzelezz | perhaps back in the day... but I wouldn't count on it |
| 18:08.50 | ZorbaTHut | Giant Slayer is Wrath, though. There was no back-in-the-day :) |
| 18:09.20 | zenzelezz | good point; there were only some items/talents before |
| 18:09.24 | zenzelezz | hm |
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| 18:12.43 | foxlit | gah, this makes no sense |
| 18:12.57 | foxlit | Key-Up events are sometimes not delivered to buttons |
| 18:13.51 | mikma | so.. dude is selling laptop |
| 18:13.51 | mikma | http://murobbs.plaza.fi/kannettavat-tietokoneet-ja-konepaketit/580313-m-lg-e300-13-3-kannettava.html |
| 18:13.51 | zenzelezz | mouse moved away from button after the mouse-down? |
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| 18:13.52 | Shirik | Is anyone here running 32-bit java on a 64-bit computer? |
| 18:13.52 | foxlit | zenzelezz: it's all done through override bindings |
| 18:13.55 | zenzelezz | blinks |
| 18:14.01 | zenzelezz | I'm not familiar with such things |
| 18:14.14 | nevcairiel | Shirik: yes |
| 18:14.21 | nevcairiel | because 64-bit java is fail |
| 18:14.24 | Shirik | nevcairiel: You are? |
| 18:14.34 | Shirik | mind running a program for me? :) |
| 18:14.43 | nevcairiel | i run a 32-bit browser, the 64-bit jre doesnt plug into that |
| 18:14.54 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 18:16.06 | nevcairiel | meh dcc is fail |
| 18:16.11 | nevcairiel | i'm firewalled and routed =P |
| 18:17.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:17.25 | Shirik | what email |
| 18:19.43 | Shirik | nevcairiel, what email! |
| 18:20.09 | nevcairiel | mail@nevcairiel.net |
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| 18:20.50 | Shirik | I wonder if Iriel gets pinged every time nevcairiel is said |
| 18:21.02 | nevcairiel | if so, his hightlight is fail |
| 18:21.10 | zenzelezz | hm, I never even noticed |
| 18:21.17 | zenzelezz | now the pieces all fit |
| 18:21.21 | Shirik | I just noticed now :P |
| 18:21.23 | Shirik | because I had to spell it right |
| 18:22.13 | nevcairiel | i had this name before i even played wow |
| 18:22.17 | nevcairiel | or ever went here |
| 18:22.19 | nevcairiel | so shush :) |
| 18:22.29 | zenzelezz | cover-up |
| 18:23.25 | Shirik | sent nevcairiel |
| 18:23.41 | nevcairiel | i hope gmail doesnt complain about jar files |
| 18:23.45 | nevcairiel | since they are like executables =P |
| 18:23.52 | Shirik | I just sent it from gmail |
| 18:23.52 | nevcairiel | ah it arrived |
| 18:24.02 | zenzelezz | I want to fork Java |
| 18:24.05 | zenzelezz | make no changes |
| 18:24.11 | zenzelezz | except make the archives be called .yarr |
| 18:24.21 | Shirik | Fork java with no changes |
| 18:24.25 | Shirik | you mean J#? |
| 18:24.42 | foxlit | Gah |
| 18:24.45 | zenzelezz | don't know, I don't follow the Java world |
| 18:25.00 | Shirik | J# is microsoft's bastardized Java, more-so than C# |
| 18:25.14 | foxlit | "r2 down" "Button5 down" "r2 up" ... no "Button5 up" |
| 18:25.35 | zenzelezz | I didn't remember MS pushing any Java stuff for a long time now... last I heard was the "Visual J++" thing many many years ago |
| 18:25.53 | Shirik | oh they aren't pushing it |
| 18:25.57 | Shirik | and it sure as hell hasn't caught on |
| 18:26.01 | Shirik | they're pushing C# instead |
| 18:26.35 | Shirik | I've been doing some C# work lately, and I have to admit it's interesting |
| 18:26.41 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I like it yet thoug |
| 18:26.57 | zenzelezz | it has nice aspects |
| 18:27.06 | foxlit | aha. |
| 18:27.11 | foxlit | It's because I hide it in between. |
| 18:27.43 | Iriel | Shirik: I dont |
| 18:27.51 | Iriel | Shirik: But I do get pinged when Iriel is said |
| 18:27.56 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:27.57 | Iriel | Shirik: But I wasn't looking |
| 18:28.02 | nevcairiel | Shirik: it detected vista while i'm running 7 |
| 18:28.03 | nevcairiel | fail :P |
| 18:28.07 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I know |
| 18:28.11 | Shirik | I run 7 also |
| 18:28.13 | Shirik | blame Sun |
| 18:28.14 | zenzelezz | Iriel: that's what all the voyeurs say |
| 18:28.19 | nevcairiel | i responded to your mail |
| 18:28.33 | Iriel | For a while MS were pushing java, but using MS proprietary libraries |
| 18:28.34 | foxlit | WoW's binding system is apparently very touchy about when it actually wants to dispatch events. |
| 18:28.53 | Shirik | omg, it really said x86, nevcairiel?! |
| 18:29.00 | Shirik | happy day |
| 18:29.00 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 18:29.15 | Shirik | well you're on 64-bit architecture |
| 18:29.23 | nevcairiel | but it runs in the 32-bit subsystem |
| 18:29.24 | Shirik | I was worried it might say 64 even though it's running 32 |
| 18:30.00 | nevcairiel | would probably confuse the hell out of some apps if it would report it as 64 |
| 18:30.47 | nevcairiel | I wonder if Win7 just runs the vm in vista compat mode |
| 18:30.51 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 18:31.14 | nevcairiel | well not according to the options at least |
| 18:31.39 | Shirik | I think it's just java saying ">= 6 means Vista" |
| 18:31.53 | Shirik | because os.version correctly reports 6.1 |
| 18:38.22 | nevcairiel | doesnt windows have a api to query the descriptive name? |
| 18:38.41 | foxlit | Does Sun really care? :) |
| 18:40.55 | nevcairiel | probably not, but it seems weird to implement the os name like that |
| 18:41.24 | foxlit | Is it actually an OS name or some sort of feature flag? |
| 18:41.36 | foxlit | i.e. "I'm Java running in Vista-mode" |
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| 19:01.55 | Corrodias | i'm still amazed that they'd actually call it "7". |
| 19:02.08 | Corrodias | it's not like they've been following the numbering up until now, and even then, it's the wrong number! |
| 19:03.47 | zenzelezz | not like others do much better |
| 19:03.56 | zenzelezz | Unreal Tournament, UT2003, UT2004, UT...3 |
| 19:05.56 | Fisker- | how is it the wrong number? |
| 19:06.23 | Corrodias | UT2004 was, like, a minor update of UT2003 |
| 19:06.28 | Corrodias | i could see it having the same number. |
| 19:06.50 | Corrodias | okay, not a minor update, but it basically replaced it. |
| 19:07.07 | Corrodias | and 7 is the wrong number because its version is 6.1. |
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| 19:08.06 | zenzelezz | well, 2000 was 5 |
| 19:08.11 | zenzelezz | 95 and 98 were 4 |
| 19:08.27 | zenzelezz | if they were to go by kernel numbers then we'd have a very different line |
| 19:08.31 | Corrodias | 95 and 98 were not on the NT numbering scheme... NT4 was 4 |
| 19:08.46 | zenzelezz | 95 and 98 were not on NT kernel, but they still had the major version 4 |
| 19:08.59 | Corrodias | okay, i won't argue with that |
| 19:09.17 | zenzelezz | your point is good though in regards to my original intent |
| 19:09.46 | Corrodias | XP is 5.1, 2003 is 5.2. vista and 2008 are both 6.0. if 7 is 6.1 ... somebody in upper management doesn't know how numbers work. |
| 19:10.22 | Fisker- | naw |
| 19:10.29 | Fisker- | with Vista the server was put on the same codebase |
| 19:10.50 | Shirik | o.o |
| 19:10.55 | Shirik | is Fisker- actually having a meaningful discussion? |
| 19:10.57 | Corrodias | y...yeah, that's fine, so they can be 6.0. i don't mind. |
| 19:11.39 | zenzelezz | Fisker- is always having meaningful discussions, they just usually don't corrolate to what the rest are talking about |
| 19:11.51 | Corrodias | hah |
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| 19:12.32 | zenzelezz | *correlate |
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| 19:20.32 | Primer | I'm looking to get dimensions of raids and battlegrounds. I've spoken with ZorbaTHut and he has dimensions for many raids, but not for bgs. Anyone else know of an addon that has this or anyone else that's working on this? |
| 19:21.08 | Primer | The ultimate goal being to provide distance information between units in the same raid/bg |
| 19:21.45 | mikma | tigga please! http://mikma.reaktio.net/misc/tigga.jpg |
| 19:22.22 | foxlit | You're doomed once elevation starts playing into things |
| 19:22.38 | Primer | I'll tackle that later |
| 19:23.20 | ZorbaTHut | technically all you really need is a heightmap of the entire map |
| 19:23.40 | Primer | well, I just want horizontal distance |
| 19:23.51 | Primer | that'll be fine for now |
| 19:25.19 | Primer | So ZorbaTHut, would you be willing to provide me with the info you have so far? |
| 19:25.40 | ZorbaTHut | grab QH, look in AstrolabeQH/Astrolabe.lua |
| 19:25.47 | Primer | I knew you were going to say that :) |
| 19:25.49 | ZorbaTHut | the data I've got so far is on the bottom, though there's nothing for battlegrounds at all |
| 19:25.50 | Primer | I have looked at it |
| 19:25.51 | ZorbaTHut | yup ;) |
| 19:26.24 | ZorbaTHut | you're welcome to use it in any way you want - the file itself is LGPL'ed, but the bottom section of data is public domain |
| 19:26.45 | Primer | well, I'm trying to understand that data |
| 19:26.45 | ZorbaTHut | the VContinent lines are the interesting ones |
| 19:26.57 | Primer | it's not is the same format as the zone data, i.e. width/height |
| 19:27.08 | ZorbaTHut | VContinent(-104, "Naxxramas1", 1237.5) -- "Naxxramas1" is the name of the zone, 1237.5 is the height of the zone |
| 19:27.11 | ZorbaTHut | the width is always 1.5*height |
| 19:27.29 | ZorbaTHut | so I just calculate it from the height within the VContinent function |
| 19:28.25 | Primer | And this "name of zone"...what returns that? |
| 19:28.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's what GetMapInfo() returns, with GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel() appended to it |
| 19:28.46 | Primer | I know I could dig through the code, but I figured you'd know off the top of your head and save me some time |
| 19:28.49 | ZorbaTHut | and some black magic in the case of Stratholme |
| 19:29.00 | ZorbaTHut | check out line 155, that's the segment that does it |
| 19:29.05 | Primer | thanks |
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| 19:29.49 | ZorbaTHut | there may be more exceptions that I'm not yet aware of. I should probably just make that CoTStratholme, now that I'm thinking about it |
| 19:31.25 | Primer | I think I'm just going to toss AstrolabeQH into my addon |
| 19:31.34 | Primer | I should have done that in the first palce |
| 19:31.35 | Primer | place |
| 19:32.28 | ZorbaTHut | I recommend giving it a different major library name |
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| 19:32.48 | ZorbaTHut | I don't really treat it as a library inside QH, as I'm the only one who runs it, so I usually don't bother bumping the version |
| 19:34.11 | CobraA1 | Hey - anybody know the best way to get some sort of scrollable tree view in an AddOn? |
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| 19:38.17 | Iriel | You could steal the one from DevTools event trace? |
| 19:38.26 | Iriel | I'm not sure it's all that re-usable, but it might be |
| 19:38.33 | Iriel | At worst it could give you some ideas |
| 19:38.45 | zenzelezz | I was actually thinking of suggesting that, but thought it could be some sort of black-magic |
| 19:39.03 | Grum | AceGUI also has a tree-view thingie |
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| 19:47.07 | CobraA1 | Can WoW clip items to a rectangle or anything like that? |
| 19:47.35 | zenzelezz | "items"? |
| 19:48.03 | CobraA1 | UI elements. Like the buttons, text, etc. |
| 19:58.20 | CobraA1 | mmkay, I'm looking a Reagent Restocker here - it has a hierarchal list on the left hand side that is collapsible and scrollable, including small +/- buttons for expanding and collapsing the list, as well as text and icons. Unfortunately, it uses a libary that looks like it hasn't been updated in a while. |
| 20:05.41 | zenzelezz | looking at in what way; inspiration for the scrollable tree view? |
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| 20:18.58 | CobraA1 | Okay - waterfall was released under the LGPL, that's good. I guess I can just pick it up and keep it up to date if WoW changes. |
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| 20:34.18 | CobraA1 | Geez, is addon development stopping for WoW? It seems like a lot of stuff is getting abandoned. |
| 20:34.38 | zenzelezz | such as? |
| 20:35.42 | CobraA1 | Reagent Restocker, the earth/ocean/fire/etc libraries . . . |
| 20:36.19 | zenzelezz | those last ones were all Cosmos, weren't they? |
| 20:36.25 | CobraA1 | yeah |
| 20:36.37 | zenzelezz | well, that was some time ago IIRC |
| 20:36.55 | CobraA1 | Is Ace a decent replacement for Cosmos? |
| 20:37.22 | zenzelezz | I don't know how they compare, but Ace is popular |
| 20:37.35 | mikma | poopular |
| 20:38.56 | nevcairiel | Ace is in no way comparable to Cosmos |
| 20:39.09 | nevcairiel | cosmos is a whole UI thing |
| 20:39.14 | nevcairiel | ace is just a set of libraries |
| 20:39.41 | mikma | also, neither of them is required to code addons |
| 20:40.10 | ZorbaTHut | I wish it were possible to write a UI mod that just disenchanted the contents of your mailbox |
| 20:40.11 | CobraA1 | okay, so right now we don't have a good set of UI elements other than what comes with WoW? |
| 20:40.44 | mikma | .. what? |
| 20:41.42 | Adys | is there a way to kill the sound server in windows? |
| 20:42.02 | mikma | reset-button |
| 20:42.20 | Adys | only the sound server |
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| 20:42.37 | CobraA1 | Is there a repeating sound? |
| 20:42.58 | Adys | repeating sound? |
| 20:43.16 | CobraA1 | Why do you want to kill the "sound server"? |
| 20:43.26 | Adys | to test if wow crashes |
| 20:44.25 | Adys | hm |
| 20:44.29 | Adys | anyone here running windows xp? |
| 20:44.53 | CobraA1 | I think sounds are handled through drivers, not servers . . . |
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| 20:48.28 | CobraA1 | I'm not sure what you'd accomplish by crashing WoW. |
| 20:48.57 | Kraftman | I didn't realise they ran a seperate server just for sounds.... |
| 20:49.32 | zenzelezz | well I believe he simply meant the sound subsystem |
| 20:50.21 | Kraftman | ^^ |
| 20:50.35 | CobraA1 | There is a "Windows Audio" service. And there are usually drivers for the sound card. |
| 20:55.51 | Gnarfoz | Adys is on linux, afaik, and there are sound servers there, for sure |
| 20:55.52 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 20:56.02 | Adys | whatever works really |
| 20:56.10 | Adys | i just need to find a way to kill sound in windows |
| 20:56.28 | CobraA1 | Try the volume control. |
| 20:56.40 | Gnarfoz | CobraA1: funny |
| 20:57.10 | Gnarfoz | Adys: deactivate/reactivate the sound card in the hardware manager? |
| 20:58.26 | Adys | you're on windows atm Gnarfoz ? |
| 20:58.37 | Gnarfoz | or, the useful suggestion of CobraA1's: "sc stop AudioSrv" |
| 20:58.42 | Gnarfoz | sure, always am |
| 20:59.03 | Adys | can you run wow (just login screen) and do whatever's necessary to killt he sound? |
| 20:59.16 | Gnarfoz | no, that'd probably crash 5 apps or so |
| 20:59.17 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:59.23 | CobraA1 | If I knew the ultimate goal, I could probably help better. |
| 21:00.13 | Adys | I need to find out if the "bug" is in the actual applications or if it doesnt crash |
| 21:00.23 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I'll try, actually the other apps I haven't looked at in like 30 hours, so I just closed them :p |
| 21:00.59 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d18badfe2 |
| 21:01.46 | CobraA1 | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx |
| 21:01.58 | Adys | huh wth |
| 21:02.02 | Adys | someone using vlc here? |
| 21:02.10 | Gnarfoz | got it installed, at least |
| 21:02.19 | Gnarfoz | (it somehow is outputting wrong levels, though, not sure why) |
| 21:02.34 | Adys | will need your help later |
| 21:04.25 | Gnarfoz | Adys: nothing happens if I stop AudioSrv |
| 21:04.37 | Gnarfoz | just stops outputting sound ^^ |
| 21:04.39 | Adys | you dont get sound anymore right? |
| 21:04.39 | Adys | ok |
| 21:04.43 | Adys | thanks thats all i needed |
| 21:05.27 | Gnarfoz | Adys: actually, scratch that |
| 21:05.35 | Adys | crashed? |
| 21:05.38 | Gnarfoz | it keeps outputting sound, it seems it doesn't depend on it at all |
| 21:05.48 | Gnarfoz | no, headset turned too low to actually hear the faint login screen sounds |
| 21:06.01 | Adys | can you try the same with vlc? |
| 21:06.03 | Gnarfoz | (got wow master sound at like 20%) |
| 21:06.04 | Adys | play a mp3 or something |
| 21:06.06 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 21:06.11 | Gnarfoz | winamp doesn't care either, btw |
| 21:06.28 | Gnarfoz | I guess because they're using DirectSound ;) |
| 21:07.09 | Gnarfoz | started vlc without it running: no sound |
| 21:07.20 | Adys | start it while its running |
| 21:07.25 | Adys | and kill while you're playing the mp3 |
| 21:07.44 | Gnarfoz | keeps playing |
| 21:07.58 | Gnarfoz | and can even stop and play |
| 21:08.08 | Gnarfoz | weird ^^ |
| 21:08.57 | Adys | if you find a way to kill the sound do tell |
| 21:09.05 | Adys | unload the driver or something |
| 21:09.16 | Gnarfoz | don't know how to do that |
| 21:09.23 | Adys | device manager |
| 21:09.29 | Adys | somewhere in administration |
| 21:09.30 | Gnarfoz | you mean disable the device? |
| 21:09.41 | Gnarfoz | (don't know if that unloads the driver) |
| 21:09.48 | Adys | try that yes |
| 21:10.44 | Gnarfoz | can't while sound is playing |
| 21:10.48 | Gnarfoz | asks me to restart instead |
| 21:10.51 | Adys | >< |
| 21:11.18 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 21:11.24 | Gnarfoz | closing winamp and vlc lets me disable it |
| 21:11.44 | CobraA1 | Is this a reproducible issue? |
| 21:11.45 | Adys | can you open your comp and pour water on the sound chip while its running? |
| 21:11.52 | Adys | yes |
| 21:12.00 | mikma | seal it properly before you do so |
| 21:12.09 | mikma | you don't want the water to leak out |
| 21:12.14 | Adys | idd. |
| 21:12.23 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I would pull out my audigy that's in there too, but since I fried the last one doing something similar, I'd rather not |
| 21:12.26 | Gnarfoz | ;P |
| 21:12.46 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/captionit/Child%20Psychiatrist.png |
| 21:12.54 | Gnarfoz | Adys: you need someone with an USB headset |
| 21:13.02 | Adys | I got an USB headset |
| 21:13.13 | Adys | i dont have windows though. |
| 21:13.18 | Gnarfoz | meh |
| 21:13.19 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
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| 21:13.34 | Gnarfoz | so this happens when you unplug your usb headset? |
| 21:13.34 | Gnarfoz | ;P |
| 21:13.37 | Adys | no |
| 21:13.41 | Adys | this happens when pulse dies |
| 21:13.46 | Gnarfoz | well... |
| 21:13.50 | Gnarfoz | why does it die :\ |
| 21:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | pulse sucks |
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| 21:13.56 | Adys | because I kill it |
| 21:14.00 | Gnarfoz | wryyyy |
| 21:14.01 | Adys | same happens with alsa ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | alsa dies? ;) |
| 21:14.08 | Adys | because its bugged and sometimes crashes |
| 21:14.09 | sp0ckPiss | pulse? pulseaudio on linux? |
| 21:14.10 | Gnarfoz | also: guess there's no aequivalent to what you're doing in Windows :) |
| 21:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | that's tricky ;) |
| 21:14.12 | Adys | so i kill it to reproduce the issue |
| 21:14.18 | Thrae | Finally got an air conditioner for my room! Excellent! I can see my temperatures going down already. |
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| 21:14.28 | Adys | Thrae: try turning it on |
| 21:14.35 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: that's usually the point of those devices |
| 21:14.35 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:14.37 | sp0ckPiss | Thrae: nice. i need one too. how much did you pay? |
| 21:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: under vista, the sound server is just a service that you can restart |
| 21:15.12 | Adys | thats awesome |
| 21:15.15 | Adys | someone got vista? |
| 21:15.21 | Adys | *crickets* |
| 21:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | <--- |
| 21:15.28 | Thrae | Yes! My CPU is going down down down! |
| 21:15.28 | sp0ckPiss | D: |
| 21:15.38 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: follow the above steps then ;p |
| 21:15.44 | Adys | play a mp3 in vlc, restart the service |
| 21:15.47 | CobraA1 | I have both Vista and XP. (desktop and laptop) |
| 21:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have any mp3s |
| 21:16.04 | Adys | an avi then |
| 21:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | try flac :P |
| 21:16.17 | Adys | whatever works. |
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| 21:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | audio stops |
| 21:17.20 | Adys | doesnt crash? |
| 21:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | when I start the service, it stays dead until I restart VLC |
| 21:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 21:17.28 | Adys | ok, great |
| 21:17.28 | Adys | thanks |
| 21:17.31 | Roofel | Hmm, quick question guys. Where does the code here fail when setting a texture? http://pastebin.com/d247590cb |
| 21:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's 64-bit vista though |
| 21:17.43 | Sp0ck2nd | I installed Vista the other day on the PC. It couldn't even detect my common-as-dirt network card. Linux when back on immediatly. |
| 21:17.47 | Adys | Roofel: line 1 |
| 21:17.48 | Roofel | The numbers commented out numbers are there just for remembering... |
| 21:17.57 | Adys | it's lua. |
| 21:18.06 | Roofel | ... |
| 21:18.14 | Roofel | and the point is? :P |
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| 21:18.18 | Adys | dur dur |
| 21:18.19 | Adys | lemme see |
| 21:18.44 | Adys | no idea! |
| 21:18.52 | Roofel | Dammed |
| 21:19.03 | Roofel | as for some reason, the frame works, but the texture just wont show >.< |
| 21:19.05 | Adys | .. thats not a word |
| 21:19.13 | Thrae | Question: Is it OK to have both Horde and Alliance accounts on the same server and pass items and gold through the Neutral AH? |
| 21:19.18 | Roofel | Yes |
| 21:19.21 | Adys | of course |
| 21:19.30 | Roofel | but not "morally" according to Blizzard :P |
| 21:19.38 | CobraA1 | If somebody else doesn't buy it first :P |
| 21:19.38 | Sp0ck2nd | haha |
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| 21:20.13 | Gnarfoz | Adys: interestingly, I had to re-select my sound card (actually, windows mixer, i.e. "default device") to make it work again oO |
| 21:20.15 | Roofel | but really, none see where the flaw is? :S |
| 21:20.20 | Sp0ck2nd | doesn't the AH take a huge chunk of commission though, when you try and pass money through it? |
| 21:20.27 | porkbun | neutral, yeah |
| 21:20.36 | Sp0ck2nd | thought so |
| 21:20.38 | porkbun | and if you underprice an item, someone can buy it and you're hooped |
| 21:20.50 | Gnarfoz | <ScytheBlade1> Adys: under vista, the sound server is just a service that you can restart <-- XP, too, and it doesn't affect VLC while it's running |
| 21:20.59 | Adys | alright |
| 21:21.02 | Adys | had what I needed :) |
| 21:21.02 | porkbun | if someone wants to go to all the trouble of setting up multiple accounts just to pass items around, more power to em |
| 21:21.04 | porkbun | i'm too cheap |
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| 21:24.52 | Sp0ck2nd | can't use a trial account? i suppose getting to the right zone wouldn't be too hard with the right friends. |
| 21:25.26 | Adys | trials cant use AH i think |
| 21:25.33 | zenzelezz | corpserunning is never hard, just takes time |
| 21:25.37 | Sp0ck2nd | that would make sense. |
| 21:25.50 | Sp0ck2nd | zenzelezz: true. |
| 21:26.29 | Matrix110 | erm |
| 21:26.31 | Matrix110 | take that back |
| 21:26.40 | Sp0ck2nd | no |
| 21:27.00 | Matrix110 | Corpse running is hard when you SOMEHOW get spawned in Western Plaguelands and cant use spirit resser there when you died in Ironforge as lvl 5:P |
| 21:27.27 | Sp0ck2nd | pff |
| 21:27.32 | zenzelezz | well I corpse-ran a human from starter zone to Icecrown Citadel |
| 21:27.35 | Sp0ck2nd | Ironforge doesn't have a neutral ah? |
| 21:27.43 | Matrix110 | no Sp0ck2nd |
| 21:28.28 | Sp0ck2nd | indeed. |
| 21:28.40 | Matrix110 | neutral AH is ripoff³ anyway |
| 21:28.55 | Sp0ck2nd | we already said that. |
| 21:29.10 | zenzelezz | given that there are no alternatives, it's not that bad |
| 21:29.38 | Matrix110 | when you sell something for 10k gold over that AH we can talk again :P |
| 21:30.34 | zenzelezz | I don't care. It's getting something on the other faction vs. not getting anything |
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| 21:30.56 | zenzelezz | besides, I've given away 30k to other players |
| 21:31.07 | zenzelezz | the goblins can get a little too |
| 21:31.30 | Matrix110 | a little :P |
| 21:31.37 | Sp0ck2nd | i used to make loads from stone scale eels |
| 21:31.37 | zenzelezz | yes, a little |
| 21:31.54 | Sp0ck2nd | aaah my little fishing bot brought me in £££ ever day |
| 21:32.03 | Matrix110 | Stone Scale Eeels<3 |
| 21:32.07 | Matrix110 | I paid low lvls to fish |
| 21:32.15 | Matrix110 | or rather the guild bank did |
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| 21:32.34 | Sp0ck2nd | I did the fishing for the big guilds. |
| 21:32.46 | Matrix110 | And we ended up having a few hundred of them left when TBC started when they were totally useless :D |
| 21:32.51 | Matrix110 | well fishing bots are lame |
| 21:32.57 | Matrix110 | every bot is lame |
| 21:33.29 | Sp0ck2nd | my bank account says otherwise. |
| 21:33.50 | Matrix110 | Well that people fail in live is not my problem :P |
| 21:35.41 | Sp0ck2nd | erm? |
| 21:35.54 | Matrix110 | those that buy gold |
| 21:35.55 | Sp0ck2nd | so anyway, making sense and all... is ui dev. easy? |
| 21:36.41 | CobraA1 | Depends on how much experience with programming you already have. |
| 21:36.49 | Sp0ck2nd | quite a bit. |
| 21:36.52 | Matrix110 | that depends on the complexicity of the mod you want to write and what WoW gives you |
| 21:37.03 | Sp0ck2nd | WoW's UI is LUA isn't it/ |
| 21:37.05 | Sp0ck2nd | ? |
| 21:37.05 | krka | Sp0ck2nd: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. :-D |
| 21:37.13 | CobraA1 | Lua and XML. |
| 21:37.18 | Sp0ck2nd | I see. |
| 21:37.27 | Sp0ck2nd | Well XML can be extremely complex. |
| 21:37.38 | Matrix110 | normally not in WoW |
| 21:37.38 | zenzelezz | you don't have to use XML yourself |
| 21:37.40 | Legorol | saying that WoW's UI uses XML doesn't give much info |
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| 21:37.55 | Sp0ck2nd | hmm |
| 21:37.57 | Legorol | the use of XML in WoW's UI is fairly straightforward after an initial learning curve |
| 21:38.16 | CobraA1 | You don't need to use XML - I think you can create the UI in Lua as well. |
| 21:38.20 | Legorol | once you get the main ideas, it's a clear and good way of describing structure. Lua is used for describing function |
| 21:38.25 | durcyn | it's also completely avoidable with the inception of CreateFrame, thank FSM |
| 21:38.36 | Legorol | CobraA1 is correct, but it's not recommended to skip learning the XML part |
| 21:38.53 | Sp0ck2nd | I wouldn't create the UI from the logic. |
| 21:38.57 | Legorol | If you start by learning both the XML and Lua parts, you will get a good hang of structure vs. function |
| 21:39.07 | Sp0ck2nd | I'd always seperate the interface from the business logic. |
| 21:39.13 | Legorol | aye |
| 21:39.22 | Arrowmaster | you can do that using just lua |
| 21:39.26 | porkbun | i'm having problems with some stuff, but it's mostly straightforward |
| 21:39.31 | Legorol | what the folks here are saying is that you have the option of creating all your UI from Lua, which is preferred by some people |
| 21:39.34 | CobraA1 | Agreed. just saying the options. |
| 21:39.39 | Matrix110 | And dont forget most of the stuff you would want to write was already written and is availble in libaries that you can use depending on their licence and yours :P |
| 21:39.47 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: yes you can, but the separation is not so clean. |
| 21:40.04 | Arrowmaster | neither is xml |
| 21:40.11 | Arrowmaster | dirty dirty dirty |
| 21:40.23 | porkbun | are local variables declared outside of a function scoped to the entire file? |
| 21:40.26 | Legorol | nah, the XML is good for what it's supposed to do |
| 21:40.32 | Legorol | porkbun: yes |
| 21:40.46 | Legorol | porkbun: technically, they are scoped to the entire chunk. Practically, one file is one chunk :) |
| 21:40.49 | porkbun | so if at the top of a .lua file i do this: local blahTable = nil; |
| 21:41.02 | porkbun | and i then in another function set blahTable to an array |
| 21:41.09 | Legorol | yes, that works |
| 21:41.11 | porkbun | why does a second function only see it as nil? |
| 21:41.23 | Legorol | order of calls perhaps? |
| 21:41.29 | Legorol | are both functions in the same file/ |
| 21:41.36 | porkbun | yes both are in the same file |
| 21:41.41 | Legorol | then they will both see it |
| 21:41.50 | porkbun | it's essentially: here's a var, in onload set the values up, then in other functions use them |
| 21:41.52 | Legorol | if they aren't, then you made a mistake somewhere with something |
| 21:42.36 | Legorol | check that you aren't accidentally redeclearing the variable inside a function too, |
| 21:42.44 | Legorol | check that the calling order of your functions is really as you expect it, |
| 21:42.56 | porkbun | blah i want a debugger :( |
| 21:42.58 | Legorol | check that nothing is accidentally niling it out |
| 21:43.24 | Sp0ck2nd | :D |
| 21:43.28 | Legorol | check that the local blahTable = nil; line is really at the top and not the bottom or middle of the file ;) |
| 21:43.41 | Sp0ck2nd | i don't have any MOD ideas in mind, I was merely wondering to be honest. |
| 21:44.18 | Sp0ck2nd | i might make a mod that spends all your money on cheese. |
| 21:44.29 | Sp0ck2nd | then gives the cheese away to everyone. |
| 21:44.33 | Matrix110 | at the secret King of Ironforge? |
| 21:44.37 | Sp0ck2nd | and deletes your char. |
| 21:46.11 | Matrix110 | *stormwind |
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| 21:50.52 | porkbun | thanks legorol, i'll look into it :) |
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| 22:19.03 | Shirik | lol @ sun |
| 22:19.05 | Shirik | this is a fun comment |
| 22:19.13 | Shirik | <!-- DTD to describe a JNLP 5.0 file, don't correct the spelling error in the next line.--> |
| 22:21.17 | mikma | what makes it funny? |
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| 22:50.35 | Kraps | i got a forum ban -_- |
| 22:52.26 | Sixen | How....? |
| 22:52.40 | alestane | Permanent? |
| 22:52.43 | cbreak | did you ask for frost pve buffs? |
| 22:52.59 | Kraps | heh |
| 22:53.05 | Kraps | 72 hours |
| 22:53.56 | Sixen | =/ |
| 22:54.05 | Kraps | i made a topic that could be construed as trolling |
| 22:55.54 | Kraps | not my fault the thread got taken over by anti-semites |
| 22:56.20 | cbreak | the nazi kind? |
| 22:56.55 | Kraps | no the jewish stereotype kind |
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| 23:00.04 | Kraps | firefly tiem |
| 23:00.25 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes I swear people intentionally confuse "I didn't get a response" and "I didn't get the response I wanted" |
| 23:01.23 | alestane | The ones who demand a blue response, get someone else, and then bump the thread as if the response never happened? |
| 23:01.40 | cbreak | sounds like a US problem |
| 23:01.48 | alestane | As one example, there are plenty, |
| 23:01.48 | cbreak | here in europe, we don't have any meaningful blues anyway :( |
| 23:01.56 | ZorbaTHut | the guys who post on the QH messages, get responses, then post the exact same question again saying "I didn't get a response" :P |
| 23:13.41 | zenzelezz | we have plenty of meaningful black metal on the other hand |
| 23:18.19 | p3lim | is there some API to determine if the player is on a pvp server? |
| 23:18.31 | p3lim | pvp enabled server, as in PvP and RPPvP |
| 23:18.58 | cbreak | there should. |
| 23:20.24 | cbreak | maybe you can do it with GetServerName |
| 23:20.32 | cbreak | GetRealmName I mean |
| 23:21.35 | cbreak | combined with the locale |
| 23:23.35 | p3lim | hm |
| 23:27.51 | p3lim | I would need a huge filter to match the names of each server that way |
| 23:28.16 | cbreak | yes |
| 23:28.20 | cbreak | maybe you see a pattern? :) |
| 23:28.31 | cbreak | maybe there IS a pattern! |
| 23:30.31 | Shirik | anyone here on windows 2000 or know if windows 2000 has the "runas" command? |
| 23:31.04 | mikma | run your own ass |
| 23:32.36 | cbreak | well, windows xp has it |
| 23:32.44 | cbreak | and 2000 is only 25% older or so |
| 23:35.28 | CobraA1 | Should, they're basically the same OS, except XP has a new skin. |
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| 23:39.38 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: right, theres a few things that keep a huge list of what servers are what |
| 23:40.05 | Arrowmaster | i think prat does it, not sure if it keeps it own list now but i think it used glorylib at one point but thats kinda dead now |
| 23:42.11 | cbreak | you could try to find a function that maps names of servers & regions to pvp server state |
| 23:42.16 | cbreak | one that doesn't store the list |
| 23:42.49 | p3lim | been looking for such a function, but have yet found it |
| 23:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it does |
| 23:43.03 | cbreak | I mean... train a neural network |
| 23:43.15 | cbreak | minimize some matrix function |
| 23:43.28 | p3lim | btw, what is the difference between scaledPercent and rawPercent returns of UnitDetailedThreatSituation ? |
| 23:43.53 | Arrowmaster | with scaled you pull aggro when you hit 100% |
| 23:44.08 | Arrowmaster | with raw you pull when you hit either 110% or 130% depending on your range |
| 23:44.22 | p3lim | aha |
