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| 00:08.21 | tem|laptop | 3) When LOTS of spell effects are going off at once, I have issues |
| 00:08.37 | tem|laptop | Particularly fire effects like Razorscale and Mimiron |
| 00:15.16 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'd do video card first |
| 00:15.27 | ZorbaTHut | video card will most likely help #3, and probably #1, and possibly #2 |
| 00:15.45 | ZorbaTHut | #2 sounds more like RAM to me, but #3 isn't RAM, so |
| 00:17.15 | Thunder_Child | wow doesnt use more than 1.3GB of ram for me on average |
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| 00:19.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Is there any way to determine if a particular piece of gear belongs to any of your gear sets in the default equipment manager? |
| 00:19.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | and, as a followup, which set(s) it belongs to? |
| 00:19.15 | tem|laptop | 2 sounds more like Ram SPEED more than size |
| 00:19.41 | tem|laptop | also, My current video card has very low video memory |
| 00:19.57 | tem|laptop | only 128 MB |
| 00:20.07 | tem|laptop | er wait |
| 00:20.09 | tem|laptop | maybe it's 256 |
| 00:20.18 | tem|laptop | looks it up... |
| 00:21.54 | tem|laptop | 256 |
| 00:22.03 | tem|laptop | at any rate, that seems pretty low |
| 00:22.33 | NeoTron | the main benefit of more ram for wow is disk caching |
| 00:22.44 | NeoTron | going from 2 to 4 GB is a huge boost by itself |
| 00:23.20 | tem|laptop | I've got 2 gigs now and haven't seen wow use more than 1GB |
| 00:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wow scales the mem usage depending |
| 00:24.07 | tem|laptop | I see |
| 00:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | but that said it rarely if ever goes above 2GB |
| 00:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | No matter how much you have |
| 00:24.58 | tem|laptop | With Dalaran, I suspect the real hog on performance is loading all the different player and gear meshes and the associated textures |
| 00:25.25 | tem|laptop | and if the video card is trying to cache that stuff and it doesn't have enough video memory, it's going to barf |
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| 00:39.54 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: 32bit programs cant really go much over 2GB |
| 00:42.48 | ZorbaTHut | they can hit 3gb if they have the right flag in the .exe and the right setting in Windows, but that's about it. |
| 00:43.00 | ZorbaTHut | and usually you'd want to keep it under 2gb. |
| 00:46.35 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 00:46.43 | Corrodias | i thought the way windows assigned process memory, one process couldn't use over 2gb |
| 00:46.49 | Corrodias | even on a 64-bit machine |
| 00:48.07 | Corrodias | guess i could easily be wrong on that part |
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| 00:49.15 | bleetah | so what's this fishing iphone app all about? and is it legal or not? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904295341&sid=1 |
| 00:49.58 | bleetah | something about some kinda vnc thingy to control your cursor, phone vibrates when bobber goes off... not too sure. i jsut figured 'unapproved 3rd party app, iphone app not by blizz, bad' |
| 00:51.28 | Corrodias | i do love this page. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx |
| 00:52.31 | Gnarfoz | bleetah: 2nd reply says it all. "The program you describe should not be used if its capable of finding the bobber on its own without human interaction. " |
| 00:53.02 | Corrodias | is the iphone app free? |
| 00:53.25 | bleetah | Gnarfoz: my understanding is the iPhone screen presents a little VNC like screen to permit you to move the cursor to the bobber |
| 00:53.48 | foxlit | spell:2 -- no such spell :( |
| 00:53.49 | Gnarfoz | bleetah: 2nd reply still says it all because it is an if statement ;> |
| 00:54.08 | |pez| | Ok... I actually have better download capacity on my mobile broadband, than I had in my old appartment. |
| 00:54.14 | bleetah | Corrodias: BLizz only going after paid iPhone apps? |
| 00:54.42 | Corrodias | i don't know, isn't it anything like blizzard's newish policies about paying for addons? |
| 00:54.55 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, if it's not a UI mod, it's not under Blizzard's policies |
| 00:54.55 | Corrodias | i haven't been keeping up on the news much, i didn't know there were iphone apps now. |
| 00:54.58 | bleetah | I heard there were some iPhone store C&Ds kicking around |
| 00:55.15 | bleetah | as much as I dislike the site, wowinsider had something the other day, iirc |
| 00:56.38 | bleetah | oO wowinsider.com redirects to wow.com |
| 00:57.26 | Nechckn_AFK | it used to go the other way, they just decided to go back. |
| 00:57.34 | bleetah | ah, k |
| 01:00.00 | foxlit | wow-insider.com redirects to allakhazam. |
| 01:00.45 | foxlit | Cutthroat business, having a wow-related website :) |
| 01:00.49 | bleetah | Nechckn: btw, I can get WoW to crash when running Auctioneer/BC/Informant etc. in heisenbug style situations under Linux (ie, 1/3 attempts doesn't crash - for no real discernable reason), never in Win32 though. Not really sure whether I want to investigate. |
| 01:01.18 | bleetah | Nechckn: something to do with opening the mail box, though. |
| 01:01.26 | Nechckn_AFK | hrm... |
| 01:01.46 | bleetah | Nechckn: if you hear other reports of similar strangeness, I'll investigate. Otherwise.. I'ma leave it well alone ;) |
| 01:02.05 | bleetah | probably a wine bug smacking the Lua engine around, or vice-versa ;) |
| 01:02.20 | Nechckn_AFK | okey dokey. Haven't off hand. I know that some folks have in the past, but nothing current |
| 01:02.38 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know what the function is to see if a groupmember is online? |
| 01:02.58 | bleetah | the super odd part is sometimes if I log in my toon, then back out to char selection, then back in.. it works. it's as if some part of memory isn't being properly allocated, or deallocated, and occasionally this toon switching just kicks it in the head enough. |
| 01:03.30 | bleetah | which is why I *really* don't want to investigate unless there are comprable bugs around that you've heard of ;) |
| 01:04.07 | ZorbaTHut | bleetah, I've run into a few of that form - most things reset after char-selection, but some require a full return to logon or even restarting the client |
| 01:04.50 | Nechckn_AFK | now that is really odd.. but, yeah, nothing anyone's mentioned as of late. Would guess along the lines as what you said re: engine but otherwise, haven't dug around. |
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| 01:06.01 | bleetah | ZorbaTHut: on Win32/OSX or Linux? |
| 01:06.16 | bleetah | Nechckn: I just have flashbacks to 2.2 ;) |
| 01:06.17 | ZorbaTHut | bleetah, win32, but if there's one, there may be several |
| 01:06.45 | bleetah | ZorbaTHut: interesting. I haven't been able to crash it (using this combo) on Win32 yet... maybe I'm just not trying enough hehe |
| 01:07.01 | ZorbaTHut | well, it may be os-dependent, I'm just saying that bugs like that have happened before :) |
| 01:09.29 | bleetah | thing that really pisses me off, is that after quitting the game then getting drunk and someone buying me a card and getting me back onto it again and my deciding that I wanted PvP BoA foo so I can knock around with my friend at lower levels and show them the game and stuff... |
| 01:09.49 | bleetah | .. is that WG got nerfed and it'll now take me 6+ months to get the BoA stuff I was after, rather than around a month or two. |
| 01:10.13 | bleetah | that and that firey and crusader STILL aren't showing on cookie's tenderizers. |
| 01:10.19 | bleetah | oh, and the freaking CHANGE REALM bug aragrhagrharg |
| 01:10.25 | bleetah | stops moaning and goes makes a coffee |
| 01:10.26 | ZorbaTHut | that's weird, my second client can't see the server that my first client is *standing in* |
| 01:10.59 | bleetah | also goes back to trying to work out how the fuck 10=21 |
| 01:13.17 | foxlit | x = 2 * y + 1 |
| 01:13.20 | bleetah | oh, I must admit.. yesterday.... I did notice that furbolg form /dance animation... kinda.. made the furbolg jerk around slightly. I think that was new. GG blizz :P |
| 01:14.04 | bleetah | foxlit: let me take $21 off you and compensate you with $10 |
| 01:14.05 | bleetah | :P |
| 01:14.22 | ZorbaTHut | wtf. is there something that might keep a trial account from accessing all the servers? is there something that might make a server vanish entirely despite still running? i am so confused here |
| 01:14.40 | foxlit | or, meh, (x+1) = 2 * (y+1) + 1 |
| 01:14.56 | bleetah | foxlit: using tricksy x's and y's is.. tricksy cheating :P |
| 01:15.12 | bleetah | foxlit: also, you lost a 0 in there too |
| 01:15.16 | bleetah | :P |
| 01:15.22 | foxlit | Or maybe it's (x-1) = 2 * (y-1) + 1 |
| 01:15.34 | foxlit | I didn't lose a zero, I purposefully neglected it. |
| 01:16.19 | bleetah | you call it neglect |
| 01:16.23 | bleetah | i call it numerical abuse |
| 01:16.24 | bleetah | :P |
| 01:16.34 | bleetah | NUMERIST!!!! |
| 01:21.38 | kd3 | yay at breaking amarok |
| 01:21.44 | kd3 | it's choking on my collection, yay |
| 01:22.59 | bleetah | amarok chokes on mine, too |
| 01:24.39 | ZorbaTHut | hey, can someone with WoW US check to see if they can even see the "shattered halls" realm? |
| 01:24.43 | ZorbaTHut | (not shattered hand) |
| 01:25.01 | bleetah | moment |
| 01:26.15 | bleetah | Shattered Halls->PvP->Recommended |
| 01:26.20 | ZorbaTHut | wtf |
| 01:26.33 | bleetah | ZorbaTHut: right between shandris and shattered hand |
| 01:26.51 | ZorbaTHut | on my screen there is absolutely nothing between those two |
| 01:27.10 | bleetah | get out wireshark, re-request the realm list and take a look? |
| 01:27.19 | bleetah | 'coz that's just weird |
| 01:27.37 | ZorbaTHut | what's weirder is that I've got two clients open, and one of them is logged in on that server right now |
| 01:27.43 | ZorbaTHut | if I log off, and check the realm list, I still can't see it |
| 01:27.52 | ZorbaTHut | but I can bypass the realm list and just log on fine |
| 01:28.22 | bleetah | ZorbaTHut: bnet account? |
| 01:28.41 | ZorbaTHut | no, normal login |
| 01:28.46 | bleetah | i'm convinced there's some weird shit going down with realm list retrieval for bnet accounts.. well it sure as hell is for me. half the time can't change realms. |
| 01:28.49 | bleetah | oh.. /shrug soz |
| 01:29.37 | Dagmar | cd /window balance |
| 01:29.39 | Dagmar | bleh |
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| 01:31.21 | bleetah | ZorbaTHut: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367756850&sid=1 |
| 01:31.29 | bleetah | ZorbaTHut: SH is down |
| 01:31.33 | bleetah | or something |
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| 01:31.57 | ZorbaTHut | ah |
| 01:31.58 | ZorbaTHut | welp |
| 01:32.16 | Dagmar | Looks like the repairmen finally did something |
| 01:32.30 | Dagmar | Those halls were tore up for how long now? |
| 01:32.33 | Dagmar | They were called how long ago? |
| 01:32.38 | Dagmar | Lazy, lazy, lazy contractors. |
| 01:33.17 | bleetah | kd3: is it just me, or does the blizz debugger not pop up in Wine anymore? |
| 01:33.19 | Dagmar | checks realm status for "Freshly-painted Halls" |
| 01:33.32 | kd3 | it doesn't. the wine debug prompt shows instead |
| 01:33.42 | bleetah | kd3: ah, k |
| 01:33.54 | bleetah | could've sworn I'd seen the debugger under Wine before |
| 01:34.00 | bleetah | some new behaviour? |
| 01:34.07 | kd3 | just changed in .20 or .21 |
| 01:35.07 | bleetah | http://bleeter.pastey.net/114731 |
| 01:35.30 | bleetah | getting that 2/3 times I try and open the mailbox with a couple of addons :( |
| 01:35.38 | kd3 | you in dalaran or something? |
| 01:35.56 | bleetah | IF |
| 01:36.06 | bleetah | AH mule |
| 01:36.07 | tekkub | "cum showering rainbow" ... I have a fun new phrase thanks to craigslist's blog! |
| 01:36.28 | tekkub | this whole S. Carolina attourny general thing is funny to read about |
| 01:36.54 | bleetah | how come no one's removed him from office for clearly being out of his tree? |
| 01:36.55 | Dagmar | God that guy is an ass |
| 01:37.11 | Dagmar | bleetah: I think that might be one of the eventual results of the CL lawsuit |
| 01:37.44 | Dagmar | To really get things moving on ousting that man, someone's going to have to show how his continued presence is decidedly a negative factor |
| 01:38.08 | Dagmar | ...so they're going to have to show that his presence costs the region respect, money, and power. |
| 01:38.19 | Dagmar | CL is about to kick two of those in the jimmy. |
| 01:38.20 | bleetah | kd3: oh, you meant wine .20 or .21? hmm, I'm using stock F10 .15 |
| 01:38.29 | kd3 | weird |
| 01:38.32 | kd3 | is using f11 |
| 01:38.49 | tekkub | seriously it's like the guy WANTS to be removed from his position |
| 01:38.49 | bleetah | is thinking rawhide >< |
| 01:39.00 | tekkub | but can't grow the balls to just quit |
| 01:39.16 | kd3 | there is no rawhide right now. freezing for release in a weekish |
| 01:39.22 | Dagmar | tekkub: Not really. It seems like above a certain level these people begin to start believing their own farts are fruit-scented |
| 01:39.29 | bleetah | kd3: yeah after release ;) :P |
| 01:39.59 | tekkub | "believing" |
| 01:40.13 | tekkub | you mean, he's so gassy that his brain has been deprived of oxygen? |
| 01:40.20 | tekkub | hrm.. that is quite plausible |
| 01:40.28 | Dagmar | tekkub: He's probably looking at CL and thinking because it's got that mind-bogglingly simple layout that they dont have the money to file a "serious" lawsuit to defend themselves |
| 01:41.03 | Dagmar | So there's teh "believing his own bullshit" factor, coupled with the "bully smells weakness" factor... |
| 01:41.06 | tekkub | or he just thinks craigslist is the internet |
| 01:41.12 | tekkub | and he's fighting the evil internet porns |
| 01:41.22 | Dagmar | THe amount of fail will be epic. |
| 01:43.14 | Dagmar | CL's layout is barren and frankly, pretty ugly, but they've got the largest profit-to-employee ratio of pretty much *any* website. |
| 01:43.21 | tekkub | he's lucky nerds are docile or he'd have rioting on his hands |
| 01:43.25 | Dagmar | Actually, pretty much any _company_ for that matter. |
| 01:43.29 | Dagmar | They can affort to sue. |
| 01:43.42 | tekkub | CL is very ugly, always has been |
| 01:43.50 | tekkub | for fucks sake they decorate with ascii art |
| 01:43.53 | Dagmar | They know that flashy graphics are bullshit. |
| 01:44.05 | tekkub | no graphics saves bandwidth :) |
| 01:44.10 | Dagmar | Shiny web 2.0 buttons don't do a thing to make a site more useful |
| 01:44.19 | tekkub | right, there are no rounded corners |
| 01:44.21 | tekkub | CL is shit |
| 01:44.28 | Dagmar | heh |
| 01:45.29 | bleetah | web2.0 is shit |
| 01:45.35 | tekkub | oh, I think I figured it out |
| 01:45.43 | tekkub | the SC guy likes to cut himself |
| 01:45.45 | bleetah | talk about square pegs and round holes.. HTTP WERENT DESIGN FOR THAT YOU FUCKHEADS STOP TRYING |
| 01:45.51 | tekkub | that explains everything |
| 01:46.02 | bleetah | *designed |
| 01:50.39 | bleetah | kd3: P.S. 'Tuz' is now officially endangered. 90% population gone :( |
| 01:50.56 | bleetah | had merely been 'threatened' for past few years |
| 01:53.25 | kd3 | ya, I saw that. kinda sad |
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| 01:54.33 | Wobin | goddamn you iinet upstream |
| 02:06.07 | bleetah | Wobin: I hear that Optus now has, officially unofficially I must admit, worse customer support than telstra |
| 02:06.22 | Wobin | bleetah: that's impressive |
| 02:06.23 | bleetah | Wobin: only for the fact that telstra have one telephone number for all support, and optus have 20 bajillion |
| 02:06.35 | Wobin | nah, ventrilo suddenly fails to work -at all- |
| 02:06.37 | Wobin | rarar |
| 02:06.38 | bleetah | apart from that, from what I read, they're equally crap |
| 02:06.47 | Wobin | I'm considering internode |
| 02:06.55 | bleetah | i'm fairly happy with them |
| 02:07.15 | bleetah | then again, i'm in tassie so it's all Telstra to the big island anyways |
| 02:08.41 | bleetah | kd3: any guides around on how to read those stack traces? lolol |
| 02:08.50 | bleetah | cries |
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| 02:28.00 | kd3|hate`net | grr |
| 02:30.27 | bleetah | (12:08:41) bleetah: kd3: any guides around on how to read those stack traces? lolol |
| 02:30.28 | bleetah | (12:08:50) ***bleetah cries |
| 02:32.42 | bleetah | kd3: if no stack reading guide, simple hack to kick the realm selector button in the head would be nice ;) |
| 02:33.22 | kd3 | pokes the local blizz devs |
| 02:42.34 | bleetah | kd3: ok, erm.. any ideas on how to force Win32 WoW to crash and pop up the debugger so I can reverse engineer the SEND function... ? :P |
| 02:43.13 | bleetah | misses sending off crashes with LOLWINEHIDEVS in the description =)) |
| 02:43.33 | bleetah | oO maybe that's why the debugger stopped in Wine, they got sick of me (again) lolol |
| 02:43.40 | bleetah | hmm, maybe I should send slouken msbob.exe after all |
| 02:51.21 | bleetah | cries some more |
| 02:51.32 | bleetah | mm f11 you say |
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| 03:12.21 | bleetah | kd3: F11 won't fix the realm selection issue for me, will it? |
| 03:13.28 | bleetah | bwahahaha http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6339258.ece |
| 03:14.31 | sarg[RDP] | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:14.42 | Cairenn | hugs sarg[RDP] |
| 03:15.34 | sarg[RDP] | Dolby showed me RDP app for the iphone... i love it |
| 03:15.45 | sarg[RDP] | this* |
| 03:17.28 | bleetah | is that the afk fishing one? lol |
| 03:17.46 | sarg[RDP] | ! |
| 03:18.20 | bleetah | apparently there's some iPhone RDP type app that lets you fish while you're afk... not botting, remote control stuff. |
| 03:18.50 | bleetah | shake your phone, it casts. move your cursor around with finger. loot when it goes off. something like that |
| 03:19.21 | bleetah | sounds dodgy as crap, tried getting in to a forum argument about it earlier today ;) |
| 03:20.52 | sarg[RDP] | What RDP app supports 3D? |
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| 03:38.49 | Gnarfoz | Happy Birthday, Germany! Yay! |
| 03:39.50 | bleetah | Gnarfoz: did you say happy birthday to Mr T on the 21st? |
| 03:40.27 | Gnarfoz | I pity da 'foo who didn't! |
| 03:40.49 | Gnarfoz | err... foo' |
| 03:40.51 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 03:41.01 | bleetah | hehe |
| 03:41.15 | bleetah | I hope Blizz sent him a Night Elf Mohawk cake |
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| 03:45.11 | Gnarfoz | heh |
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| 04:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | time to freaking spam Shirik in bug reports |
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| 04:04.23 | mikma | ~botmail for shirik you still suck |
| 04:04.37 | mikma | <0704> [freenode] <purl> shirik already has a message queued from you |
| 04:04.40 | mikma | =( |
| 04:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 04:14.44 | bleetah | oO what's this about people getting flagged for PvP whenever they enter an instance? hahahaha |
| 04:14.56 | bleetah | oO and why are the vast majority of the reports from Oceanic realms oO |
| 04:16.33 | bleetah | cries some more |
| 04:16.45 | bleetah | kd3: so that's a 'no' to a stack trace doc? :( |
| 04:17.06 | bleetah | i'm only asking you coz you seem to know all the weird crap :P |
| 04:29.31 | bleetah | bwhahahahaha http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17367746953&sid=1 |
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| 04:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | man, I had more bugs to spam him with |
| 04:35.50 | ScytheBlade1 | But I reproduced them to the point where now I can't fix them |
| 04:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | and now it's useless |
| 04:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea how I got it working in the first place, lol |
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| 04:59.37 | Nechckn_AFK | Has anyone tried that NeoSteam yet/ever? |
| 04:59.55 | Nechckn_AFK | I saw steampunk and my wee ears perked right up! |
| 05:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: poke |
| 05:02.26 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: prod |
| 05:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | that FAQ you just posted.. has an issue |
| 05:02.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The source code is using the fancy style quotes |
| 05:02.46 | Cairenn | that being? |
| 05:02.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Instead of the regular " |
| 05:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Breaking all of the links |
| 05:02.56 | Cairenn | shouldn't be |
| 05:03.01 | Cairenn | growls at it |
| 05:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | check out the very first link |
| 05:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I take back the "all" and will instead say "many" |
| 05:03.28 | Cairenn | oh, I see |
| 05:03.32 | Cairenn | danke |
| 05:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | second |
| 05:03.58 | Cairenn | no no, I got it, all good |
| 05:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Your third group of screenshots, where it shows how to extract |
| 05:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Assums that the user has WinRAR installed, and in turn the "Extract Here" option |
| 05:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *assumes |
| 05:04.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't present in stock windows |
| 05:04.52 | Cairenn | put it in the thread, dear, I'm not following |
| 05:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | heh k |
| 05:05.06 | Nechckn_AFK | ewww... winrar |
| 05:05.22 | Cairenn | yeah, not sure why he's talking about winrar at all |
| 05:05.25 | Nechckn_AFK | Is this still 1987? |
| 05:05.30 | Nechckn_AFK | =) |
| 05:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | There |
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| 05:12.42 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: ahhhh, gotcha |
| 05:12.46 | Cairenn | right - thanks :) |
| 05:13.08 | Cairenn | links should be fixed now |
| 05:13.21 | Cairenn | tell me if you find any more |
| 05:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
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| 05:17.23 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man, just found another bug |
| 05:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I get this sick thrill out of knowing that I'm causing Shirik pain |
| 05:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But no guilt from it |
| 05:18.38 | Nechckn_AFK | Now, were he just here in person, you could really stick it to 'im! |
| 05:18.50 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:19.15 | Nechckn_AFK | Ms. Cairenn, tell that punk to quit screwing around with that darn internship and get to work! |
| 05:19.43 | Cairenn | hard to tell him much of anything when he doesn't have internet access yet (other than through his crackberry) |
| 05:20.07 | Ackis | ohh I should harass him then |
| 05:20.18 | Nechckn_AFK | sounds good enough to get messages through |
| 05:20.24 | Nechckn_AFK | Hrm... many, many messages!!! |
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| 05:22.08 | Nechckn_AFK | Cairenn just add a cute notice saying that the Most Awesome, Cross-Site, Uber Updater is on hold because Shirik has not seen any sign that people are interested... Then include a link w/ email address. =) |
| 05:22.17 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:22.24 | Cairenn | that's be horrible |
| 05:22.25 | Cairenn | I like it |
| 05:22.26 | Nechckn_AFK | Put it out on the main page ./watch the fun ensue! |
| 05:22.44 | ScytheBlade1 | be sure that the e-mail address hits his phone too |
| 05:22.56 | Nechckn_AFK | But of course |
| 05:23.02 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 05:23.18 | Nechckn_AFK | I'd *almost* feel sorry for him |
| 05:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, another bug filed |
| 05:23.36 | ScytheBlade1 | glee |
| 05:27.28 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: fixed |
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| 06:05.43 | bleetah | btw folks.. wanna know my new fave reason as to why wow is fundamentally flawed? |
| 06:05.48 | bleetah | well stuffit if you don't... here we go |
| 06:05.51 | Cairenn | sure |
| 06:05.54 | bleetah | HEY BLIZZ |
| 06:06.00 | bleetah | A FEMALE WARLOCK IS CALLED A WITCH.. DOH |
| 06:06.35 | bleetah | scary part is, a noob pointed this out to me >< |
| 06:06.43 | ckknight | not according to Harry Potter, bleetah |
| 06:06.53 | Nechckn_AFK | Hrm... not really. |
| 06:06.55 | ckknight | and I'm pretty sure that's the definitive source. |
| 06:07.30 | Nechckn_AFK | Lol, but of course, ckknight |
| 06:07.31 | bleetah | ckknight: lol |
| 06:09.27 | bleetah | Nechckn: Well, it got me thinking.. even if it isn't really.. there's an interesting translation going on there where your quest text would be more than just he|she substitutions |
| 06:10.35 | Cairenn | ummm, bleetah? |
| 06:10.37 | Cairenn | no |
| 06:11.26 | bleetah | tomato tomato? :P |
| 06:11.26 | Cairenn | witch != warlock (of either gender) |
| 06:13.22 | Nechckn_AFK | that was more my thought, Cairenn |
| 06:13.22 | bleetah | Cairenn: sez who? |
| 06:13.32 | Cairenn | ... |
| 06:13.37 | Wobin | warlock is technically oath breaker |
| 06:13.42 | bleetah | both my irish and scotch heritage has warlocks as men only |
| 06:13.43 | Nechckn_AFK | WoW Warlock is a summoner or demonologist or something. |
| 06:13.51 | Nechckn_AFK | mage is more the warlock/witch |
| 06:14.08 | Cairenn | warlock != witch, witch != warlock |
| 06:14.28 | bleetah | [citation needed] |
| 06:14.39 | Nechckn_AFK | But, that is like... some un-Blizz thing, and I wouldn't want them coming after me |
| 06:14.40 | Cairenn | how 'bout the wiccan faith? |
| 06:15.06 | Nechckn_AFK | Which witch is which!?!?! |
| 06:15.47 | Cairenn | and if you call any practicing wiccan a warlock, they're likely to either a) roll their eyes at your ignorance or b) be highly offended |
| 06:15.50 | bleetah | Cairenn: what about it? |
| 06:17.44 | bleetah | and non-wiccans? |
| 06:18.04 | Nechckn_AFK | well, from most common use - at least from the non-wiccan types, warlocks have been the dude magic dabblers. |
| 06:18.40 | Nechckn_AFK | Now, as to wiccan types- is there such a thing as a warlock, at all? or is everyone a witch? |
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| 06:19.01 | Nechckn_AFK | Or is will that draw the same ire? |
| 06:19.16 | Wobin | warlocks are considered those who break the rules and are possbily cast out of the coven |
| 06:19.21 | Wobin | 'oath breakers' as it were |
| 06:19.29 | bleetah | ah, so they're all warlocks in WoW so as to not offend wiccans? rightio! :D |
| 06:19.36 | bleetah | I can live with that |
| 06:19.39 | bleetah | nutty as it may be :P |
| 06:19.41 | Cairenn | warlocks are those that practice the dark arts |
| 06:20.12 | Cairenn | witches practice the light |
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| 06:20.50 | bleetah | witches are paladins? |
| 06:20.59 | Cairenn | as I said, call any practicing witch (of either gender) and they will either be annoyed/fed up with/amused by your ignorance or highly offended |
| 06:21.15 | Cairenn | so no, a female warlock isn't a witch |
| 06:21.17 | bleetah | ((I'm aiming for amused)) |
| 06:21.23 | Cairenn | she's a female warlock |
| 06:21.24 | bleetah | female warlock is a paladin |
| 06:21.26 | bleetah | ? |
| 06:21.36 | bleetah | because she turned me into a newt? |
| 06:22.05 | ZorbaTHut | I wish it was possible to pay gold to tweak the RNG |
| 06:22.28 | bleetah | well.. there is |
| 06:22.41 | bleetah | you keep paying the repairs and eventually the RNG will tweak itself in your favour |
| 06:23.08 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately, it's "doing the dailies", and the part I wish to pay to avoid is the fact that it takes many, many weeks of trying for the 1% drop |
| 06:28.03 | Nechckn_AFK | Cairenn that's interesting, actually. Only wiccans I've really known were pseudo wanna-bes. |
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| 06:32.46 | bleetah | do wiccan priestesses get as upset if you call them priests? |
| 06:34.02 | bleetah | Wobin: kempsey's flooded :( |
| 06:34.24 | Wobin | flooded?! =\ |
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| 06:34.53 | Wobin | jeez |
| 06:35.06 | bleetah | aye |
| 06:35.39 | bleetah | "The new (disaster) areas include Kempsey, Coffs Harbour, Bellingen, Nambucca and Port Macquarie Hastings." |
| 06:35.51 | Wobin | crazy |
| 06:36.02 | bleetah | ain't seen the last of it yet, either |
| 06:36.23 | bleetah | i'm waiting for the ross river to break out :( |
| 06:36.31 | Wobin | rain for the next week as well |
| 06:36.41 | Wobin | it's been pretty miserable |
| 06:39.05 | bleetah | fairly ordinary down this way, too http://ski.com.au/snowcams/australia/tas/mawson1.html |
| 06:39.40 | bleetah | haha ben lomond's broken http://ski.com.au/snowcams/australia/tas/benlomond1.html |
| 06:47.44 | Nechckn_AFK | bleetah you're in Tazmania, right? |
| 06:48.05 | bleetah | nah I'm just drawn that way |
| 06:48.54 | Nechckn_AFK | oh... hmm... someone was from there. Now I must figure out just who. Somehow the whole "devil" idea just fit so well, too. |
| 06:50.17 | bleetah | who's brilliant idea was it to give me an ipod classic? |
| 06:50.21 | bleetah | er. |
| 06:50.24 | bleetah | someone kick me |
| 06:50.25 | bleetah | please |
| 06:50.29 | bleetah | *whose |
| 06:51.29 | Nechckn_AFK | almost as bad as my z in Tasmania, so you are forgiven. |
| 06:51.37 | Nechckn_AFK | =P |
| 06:53.07 | a_nil_value | 7 mins to kill 4 champions and 3 valians |
| 06:53.08 | a_nil_value | goooooo |
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| 06:54.39 | zenzelezz | seven minutes until dailies reset, or you did kill those in seven minutes? |
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| 07:07.30 | bleetah | woots actually got core that time lol |
| 07:08.42 | Nechckn_AFK | okay.. and what is up with the training dummies?!?!! |
| 07:08.49 | Nechckn_AFK | can you skill up or something on them/ |
| 07:08.51 | Nechckn_AFK | ? |
| 07:09.43 | Nechckn_AFK | I'm now seeing whole groups of people taking them on, which is just odd. At least to me. I thought they were just to test your dps and such. |
| 07:12.13 | bleetah | omg now that's something you don't see every day.. a level 21 'private' |
| 07:12.23 | bleetah | without looking.. i'm guessing ex-twink |
| 07:15.44 | bleetah | nope |
| 07:16.00 | bleetah | didn't think so at first glance |
| 07:17.39 | Nechckn_AFK | I have a Grunt 56 shaman and a Private 64 druid |
| 07:17.48 | Nechckn_AFK | Not as cool as a 21, though... |
| 07:19.23 | Nechckn_AFK | I really miss those titles, tbh |
| 07:19.44 | Nechckn_AFK | This whole rash of new "fun" titles is... |
| 07:19.55 | Nechckn_AFK | just not all that interesting, to me anyway. |
| 07:19.59 | bleetah | some I don't mind.. title for city makes sense |
| 07:20.08 | bleetah | even if the button mash is as boring as fingering wallaby poo |
| 07:20.33 | Nechckn_AFK | Well, the Leeroy thing gets old |
| 07:20.52 | Nechckn_AFK | I do like the explorer and stuff |
| 07:21.17 | bleetah | I still feel like long strange trip has been nerfed, and that's the cause of half the stupid propensity for every man and woman and dog having 23425546 titles |
| 07:21.36 | Wobin | Nechckn_AFK: For a while there, they did give skillups |
| 07:21.45 | Wobin | at least I skilledup on my DK on the training dummies |
| 07:21.45 | bleetah | I was happy with a 2 year, 3 at most, meta achievement |
| 07:22.12 | Wobin | although, they only gave skills when you were close to your max for that level (within about 15 or so levels maybe?) |
| 07:22.40 | Nechckn_AFK | Wobin ah.. gotcha |
| 07:22.55 | bleetah | what I find odd is they brought in 'hard mode' coz everyone was qq about ezmode, and yet left world mode EZ, ie BRING BACK ELITE STROMGARDE etc. |
| 07:23.03 | bleetah | bah it's all too weird |
| 07:23.12 | Wobin | yeah, I miss the elites |
| 07:23.17 | bleetah | and the change realm bug pisses me off enough to not wanna play much at all |
| 07:23.39 | bleetah | if I gotta log out, screwit may as well go do something else |
| 07:23.48 | Nechckn_AFK | bleetah see, I could deal with a few titles, the number is what gets me, especially since they aren't limited to x amount of time/people per server or whatever |
| 07:23.48 | Wobin | ditto |
| 07:24.01 | bleetah | Wobin: more precisely, I miss the BoA PvP rate gain from WG |
| 07:24.04 | Nechckn_AFK | Yes, elites!!! |
| 07:24.12 | Nechckn_AFK | damn that so bites |
| 07:24.30 | bleetah | Wobin: I got drunk friend broguht me back. THose BoA PvP things where what got me to say 'yes, I'll play and when you're not on I'll get some BoA PvP stuff to show you BGs with' |
| 07:24.35 | Nechckn_AFK | It's funny, I was sort of "for" that change, but it is just a bit too easy now. |
| 07:25.17 | bleetah | Nechckn: I've yet to find anyone who doesn't agree with the proposition that maybe blizz have nerfed the game bit too much. |
| 07:25.29 | bleetah | horse bolted, though? /shrug |
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| 07:26.15 | Nechckn_AFK | Yeah, I think so. |
| 07:26.16 | bleetah | Nechckn: I was doing witch hill in dustwallow yesterday |
| 07:26.47 | bleetah | with this new mate of mine, she was all 'yeah, do these three steps and then a singular named mob is summonsed after putting a rod on the jetty and he's SOOOOO super easy he's not scary at all stupid dumb quest' |
| 07:26.59 | bleetah | all I could do is sit there and nod silently in agreement ;) |
| 07:27.12 | zenzelezz | the way Blizzard is handing out titles left and right now, I think they should bring back PvP titles (old-style, not arena) |
| 07:27.49 | bleetah | dont get me started on arena |
| 07:28.35 | zenzelezz | "SullivABE215". Funky temporary name |
| 07:30.13 | bleetah | still, ahving bitched about all that... |
| 07:30.26 | bleetah | I'd prefer to get a fix for cookie's tenderizers and furbolg /dance |
| 07:30.29 | bleetah | above all else |
| 07:33.01 | bleetah | sure, go all froopy DB and stuff, but if you can't fix a glow easily, or an animation... what's the point? :P |
| 07:33.09 | bleetah | RAAAR |
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| 11:18.08 | Adys | Fisker-: ping |
| 11:35.24 | Fisker- | hey Addybot |
| 11:35.25 | Fisker- | bah |
| 11:35.26 | Fisker- | Adys |
| 11:35.43 | Adys | was the patron/matron bug fixed? |
| 11:35.55 | Fisker- | i can check |
| 11:36.03 | Adys | i just got it again |
| 11:36.10 | Adys | with the underbelly elixir tuskarr transf :P |
| 11:37.22 | Pneumatus | nope |
| 11:37.39 | Pneumatus | my boot flask still switches me between matron/patron every time i use it :< |
| 11:38.27 | Adys | i wonder |
| 11:38.36 | Adys | does UnitSex actually report something different? |
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| 12:07.39 | Codayus_ | I switch from patron to matron and back every time I die in holy spec as a priest. :-) |
| 12:08.49 | zenzelezz | so angels are all female? |
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| 12:31.27 | Codayus_ | zenzelezz: It appears so. |
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| 13:01.07 | pwntang | hi there. Could someone tell me what you would normally do if you wanted to make an addon that had no frames? Would you have to simply make a frame and hide it? |
| 13:02.34 | zenzelezz | uhm |
| 13:02.44 | zenzelezz | what do you want the addon to do? |
| 13:05.37 | pwntang | Nothing in particular at this point, it's just a question I have. An example would be something that does something automatically that doesn't use frames.... |
| 13:05.48 | pwntang | such as something that clears soul shards from your bags |
| 13:06.02 | zenzelezz | well your question really can't be answered until you have a clear picture of what you want it to do |
| 13:06.20 | zenzelezz | there's nothing that says an addon must have a frame, unless it needs something that you need a frame for... like registering for events |
| 13:06.55 | pwntang | ok, lets say you wanted to make an addon that cleared any soul shards from your normal bag when your bag contents changed |
| 13:07.09 | pwntang | for some reason I thought that you had to have a frame somewhere |
| 13:07.19 | pwntang | i could have it totally wrong - I am a beginner |
| 13:07.39 | zenzelezz | in that case you probably would make a frame without any visual elements, because you need to be able to receive the events that tell you your bag contents have changed |
| 13:07.46 | pwntang | registering for events if probably what I was thinking about |
| 13:07.56 | pwntang | is* |
| 13:09.33 | pwntang | so you'd make a frame that had nothing in, therefore nothing to show on screen? |
| 13:09.50 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 13:10.45 | pwntang | okay, that makes sense. How would you construct the xml for that? |
| 13:11.14 | zenzelezz | if that was all you wanted the frame for, I'd rather just make one with CreateFrame() from lua |
| 13:12.13 | pwntang | ah, ok. I'll take a look at that |
| 13:12.17 | pwntang | thanks for your help |
| 13:13.11 | pwntang | one more thing.....if you wanted to create a frame that had some tabbed frames within, would you simply make the frames visible when the tab was clicked or is there some clever way of making tabbed frames? |
| 13:14.25 | zenzelezz | don't know, I haven't done anything like that |
| 13:15.01 | pwntang | ok, no probs. Thanks v much for your help! |
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| 13:36.23 | _rane | I'm looking for an addon that prevents me from accidentally selling secondary spec items from bags, any ideas? |
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| 13:41.53 | nevcairiel | its called Brain, v1.0 |
| 13:41.54 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:42.16 | tekkub | especially since there's buy-back |
| 13:42.30 | tekkub | keep them in, say, bag 3 and you're fine |
| 13:42.35 | _rane | I'm using baggins |
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| 13:42.58 | _rane | and no, I wouldn't accidentally sell rare or epic gear |
| 13:43.09 | _rane | but the items I'm talking about are uncommon |
| 13:43.18 | _rane | and you get tons of uncommons when leveling up |
| 13:43.47 | tekkub | I still stand by bag 3 |
| 13:43.51 | _rane | so I'd like to have to something to help me distinguish the stuff I want to keep from stuff I want to get rid of |
| 13:43.56 | tekkub | I kept 3 pally sets when leveling :P |
| 13:44.03 | _rane | "bag 3"? |
| 13:44.36 | tekkub | "keep them in, say, bag 3 and you're fine" |
| 13:44.47 | _rane | "I'm using baggins" |
| 13:44.51 | _rane | :-( |
| 13:44.58 | tekkub | so? :P |
| 13:45.33 | _rane | and I'd like to keep using it |
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| 13:53.40 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: tell that to the warrior who back in the day disenchanted his Drake Talon Cleaver in a ZG run |
| 13:55.57 | zenzelezz | and on a separate occasion arrived at Naxxramas (old one) to discover he'd sold his Elementium Reinforced Bulwark |
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| 14:02.26 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 14:02.46 | bluspacecow | new murloc sounds are in the client for 3.1.2 |
| 14:04.39 | bluspacecow | eeee he has rocket launchers and a machine gun |
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| 14:17.37 | foxlit | "It’s very distracting when in third person view and watching your character have such a strange gait that you want Dr. House to tell you it’s not lupus." |
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| 14:32.36 | msou| | Quick question, which one of the two is better |
| 14:32.58 | msou| | planetary helmet or battle mender's helm |
| 14:33.27 | msou| | and runeblade of demonstrable power or argent skeleton crusher mace |
| 14:34.15 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: had a problem with the daily yesterday, winter edge or some such.. it shows you where you should go after you get the item from dragonblight mob |
| 14:34.27 | msou| | not sure if it works like this or not but thought I should tell you.. |
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| 14:35.59 | p3lim | is there a "download all favorites" option somewhere on the site? |
| 14:36.08 | bluspacecow | msoul for what class ? |
| 14:36.25 | bluspacecow | and spec ? |
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| 14:38.23 | msou| | bluspacecow: Dk |
| 14:38.31 | msou| | Unholy |
| 14:38.57 | bluspacecow | i'm using Claymore of the Prophet on my blood DK |
| 14:38.57 | msou| | Fang deflecting faceguard helm |
| 14:39.04 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45074 |
| 14:39.09 | bluspacecow | is pretty sweet |
| 14:39.13 | msou| | Yeah will tough to get the emblems for those |
| 14:39.17 | bluspacecow | p3lim : which site ? |
| 14:39.24 | bluspacecow | nah it was easy |
| 14:39.24 | p3lim | wowi |
| 14:39.32 | foxlit | "The bonus damage from spell power on the Druid ability Thorns has been reduced by half." << boo, hiss |
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| 14:39.37 | bluspacecow | once you get to the champion stage you get awarded 20 |
| 14:39.41 | msou| | I just do heroics cause most ppl who does raid wants stats and my crit chance is 22.44 |
| 14:39.47 | msou| | dunno if it is good or not |
| 14:40.11 | bluspacecow | mines 17.36 % so I'm not one to point and jeer |
| 14:40.20 | msou| | I see |
| 14:40.43 | msou| | been the first on heroics for the past two days except today the rogue had epic items |
| 14:40.46 | msou| | my sword suck |
| 14:41.08 | msou| | Will do HoL within an hour and see if I get the bloody axe that I am after |
| 14:41.54 | msou| | It's a rare drop in'it? |
| 14:42.36 | msou| | most of my armor is purchased from exalted zones |
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| 14:42.49 | msou| | that dragonblight temple zone and hrm. ebone blade |
| 14:44.10 | msou| | that dragonblight temple zone and hrm. ebone blade |
| 14:47.34 | msou| | bbl |
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| 14:50.20 | bluspacecow | anyone remember what files the PlaySoundFile api command takes ? |
| 14:50.28 | bluspacecow | ie what extensions I can use.... |
| 14:50.33 | bluspacecow | just .wav and .mp3 ? |
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| 15:17.08 | Wobin | msou|: Just work on your rotation. If you can get a good rotation maintained, you'll be able to do fairly decent dps |
| 15:17.45 | Wobin | if you can't hold down a rotation, you'll fail a DK dps |
| 15:17.53 | Wobin | s/fail a/fail as/ |
| 15:18.19 | pwntang | is there a standard way of showing the coin symbols when displaying the amount of money you have within an addon please? |
| 15:18.31 | Wobin | msou|: Also, you might want to look at the tuning fork from HoS |
| 15:18.42 | pwntang | or is it a case of putting the symbols into the frame at the right places? |
| 15:26.25 | mikma | lawl |
| 15:26.28 | mikma | pug people <3 |
| 15:26.38 | mikma | "but i thought these were different tier" |
| 15:26.55 | mikma | hunter got valorous gloves and needrolled valorous gloves + won them |
| 15:27.39 | nevcairiel | you need 2 gloves, one for every hand |
| 15:28.37 | mikma | aye |
| 15:29.36 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.38 | bluspacecow | @wobin |
| 15:30.12 | Wobin | if I had the game running, I'd play that =P |
| 15:30.36 | mikma | pewpewpewpewpew |
| 15:30.51 | bluspacecow | its the sound |
| 15:30.57 | bluspacecow | of the new baby murloc marine |
| 15:31.00 | bluspacecow | with his machine gun |
| 15:34.02 | pwntang | Does anyone know what is responsible for putting the small round picture on the top left of some frames please? |
| 15:34.10 | pwntang | is that something within the xml? |
| 15:34.43 | foxlit | That is just a texture. |
| 15:35.08 | bluspacecow | acceptable file formats for PlayDoundFile() ? |
| 15:35.10 | pwntang | oh, ok. any ideas which one it might be? |
| 15:35.21 | pwntang | I've downloaded the blizzard addon kit so I can look at them |
| 15:35.28 | foxlit | bluspacecow: I'm only answering that question once I get the weekly email notification of what goes on in this channel :) |
| 15:35.39 | bluspacecow | >_< |
| 15:35.44 | bluspacecow | um PlaySoundFile |
| 15:36.03 | bluspacecow | dam mistypeing |
| 15:36.34 | foxlit | pwntang: it's stuff like Spellbook\UI-SpellbookPanel-TopLeft |
| 15:36.48 | foxlit | Combined with Spellbook\Spellbook-Icon |
| 15:37.15 | pwntang | ok, cool. Thanks |
| 15:41.20 | pwntang | found it, it's exactly what I was looking for. Do you just have to piece the different parts of the frame together within the xml? |
| 15:42.20 | foxlit | Or Lua, but yes, same general strategy |
| 15:42.35 | foxlit | Just have to position the textures so that the puzzle fits. |
| 15:43.13 | pwntang | if you ultimately make a window, will it all move around the screen together if you move it with your mouse? |
| 15:44.15 | foxlit | Everything that's anchored to it will, yes. |
| 15:45.13 | pwntang | ok. I'll give it a try. Think I know what I want to do |
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| 15:59.01 | foxlit | Gah, wow doesn't screenshot the cursor |
| 16:00.32 | mikma | http://tissi.apina.biz/full/16835.jpg |
| 16:01.08 | cbreak | do you have hardware cursor enabled? |
| 16:01.14 | cbreak | maybe it does with software cursor |
| 16:01.20 | cbreak | maybe not. |
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| 16:02.29 | foxlit | I probably do |
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| 16:17.57 | Ose | a guildie wants to know if it's possible to hide the mouseover tooltip on spell icons |
| 16:18.05 | Ose | anyone? |
| 16:18.49 | foxlit | It's a matter of expended effort. |
| 16:19.28 | foxlit | Which is to say you can do it, I'm just not sure what sort of acrobatics it will require. |
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| 16:41.03 | Kraftman | why is frame:SetMinResize(100, 40) setting the min resize to -40, -100? :S |
| 16:48.58 | pwntang | can someone help me please? I'm trying to make a frame using some textures and I cannot get it to show on screen at all |
| 16:49.10 | pwntang | there are no errors or anything, it just does not show up |
| 16:54.08 | zenzelezz | pwntang: how are you making the frame? |
| 16:56.14 | pwntang | with xml: <Frame name="NameOfFrameHere" parent="UIParent"> |
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| 16:57.17 | Kraftman | check that you have set its position |
| 16:57.34 | zenzelezz | pwntang: no errors in FrameXML.log? |
| 16:57.52 | pwntang | I'll check...... |
| 16:58.18 | foxlit | Easier question: does the frame exist in wow? |
| 16:58.22 | pwntang | couldn't parse xml it says |
| 16:58.31 | pwntang | not to my knowledge |
| 16:58.41 | zenzelezz | well there's your problem |
| 16:58.48 | foxlit | (The test is trivial: /run print(NameOfFrameHere); ) |
| 16:59.22 | pwntang | nil |
| 17:00.35 | pwntang | I'm trying to make a frame that looks like the quest log |
| 17:01.17 | foxlit | But yeah, as zenzelezz said: fix your XML :) |
| 17:01.36 | pwntang | that's what I'm trying to do |
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| 17:07.08 | pwntang | what does it mean by "Couldn't parse XML"? |
| 17:07.19 | zenzelezz | just what it says. Some aspect of your XML is invalid |
| 17:07.28 | pwntang | ok |
| 17:07.42 | cbreak | xml files are non-essential for almost everything |
| 17:07.45 | zenzelezz | make sure you haven't typoed anything (case sensitive) |
| 17:10.45 | pwntang | damn it!!......I missed out one <Layers> tag! |
| 17:10.50 | pwntang | that was it! |
| 17:10.55 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 17:11.17 | zenzelezz | in that respect it can be easier to debug frames created in lua |
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| 17:36.30 | Shirik | pokes ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:36.43 | Seerah | pokes Shirik |
| 17:37.53 | ScytheBlade1 | pokes Shirik |
| 17:37.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bug spam! |
| 17:38.09 | Shirik | wtf was that PM you sent me |
| 17:38.19 | Shirik | it gave me zero useful information |
| 17:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That was me saying that I had broken it right proper |
| 17:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah it wasn't supposed to |
| 17:38.32 | zenzelezz | he fetched his wizards robe and hat? |
| 17:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | #41 |
| 17:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I couldn't get it to start inbetween comments #1 and #2 |
| 17:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So I gave up and PM'd you that I had broke it hard |
| 17:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I figured out comment #2 and realized that I had just failed |
| 17:43.34 | Shirik | yes, you do in fact fail |
| 17:43.41 | Shirik | Unresolved constraint in bundle 2: package; (&(package=org.apache.commons.httpclient)(version>=0.0.0)) |
| 17:43.42 | Shirik | rararar |
| 17:43.51 | ScytheBlade1 | hey that's what you get for improper packaging of libs |
| 17:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | an extra bug |
| 17:44.03 | Shirik | that will be addressed |
| 17:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I really had thought I had broken it |
| 17:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I nuked the settings and then... it never worked the same again |
| 17:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
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| 17:46.43 | ScytheBlade1 | but the others should be less brain dead |
| 17:47.35 | digmouse | SCT/MikSBT/Parrot, which one uses more CPU? |
| 17:50.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, just fyi, you know that you hit enter to search, right? |
| 17:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, I do |
| 17:50.50 | Shirik | so that's a feature request |
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| 17:54.36 | foxlit | So, my code doesn't work [as intended] |
| 17:54.42 | foxlit | I added a -1 to it. |
| 17:54.57 | foxlit | Now, as far as I can see, it works [as intended]. |
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| 17:55.35 | foxlit | What are the odds of it actually working as intended? |
| 17:55.40 | zenzelezz | you reversed the polarity! |
| 17:55.43 | Dashkal | UI modding in flash? O.o http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/23/1622215 |
| 17:55.53 | foxlit | Worst. Idea. Ever. |
| 17:56.03 | foxlit | Unless they're willing to buy me a Flash license. |
| 17:56.08 | foxlit | In that case, Best. Idea. Ever. |
| 17:56.21 | zenzelezz | Flash UIs - bringing back resolution-ignorant interfaces that no-one likes |
| 17:57.20 | foxlit | But seriously, what's with the $$$ developer tools that you expect your users to have? |
| 18:04.23 | zenzelezz | Hellfire Peninsula still full of death knights... pretty interesting atmosphere |
| 18:08.46 | Dashkal | It probably always will be. That's the westfall for that class. |
| 18:09.36 | zenzelezz | Westfall as in "starter zone"? |
| 18:10.12 | zenzelezz | I kept thinking "I never noticed Westfall to be dominated by one class", then realized that probably wasn't what you meant |
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| 18:27.57 | Dashkal | nope, just that you'll notice that westfall us usually pretty busy as compared to the mid level zones. Lots of newbies. HfP is the same thing for FKs |
| 18:28.00 | Dashkal | DKs* |
| 18:40.17 | zenzelezz | true |
| 18:41.44 | zenzelezz | [Party] [...]: me mom share i log out now |
| 18:43.01 | Dewin | So... my RAF'd friend is almost level 30, and the fact that we online upgraded his account still hasn't registered 24 hrs later. So it's impossible for him to buy a mount >.> |
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| 18:51.19 | batrick | Is cogwheel gone for good? |
| 18:51.40 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 18:51.46 | Shirik | batrick: pong |
| 18:52.10 | batrick | Shirik: you see that new sandbox? Feel like a broken record asking you. |
| 18:52.19 | Shirik | I saw it, haven't had a chance to download it |
| 18:52.24 | Shirik | lack of internet is rather painful |
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| 18:52.39 | batrick | :( |
| 18:55.08 | tekkub | RAWR |
| 18:55.16 | tekkub | I now has news/blog posts |
| 18:55.17 | tekkub | http://tekkub.net/ |
| 19:00.09 | haste | :D |
| 19:08.17 | batrick | http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/us_world/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Loses.html |
| 19:15.28 | ZorbaTHut | I give the guy quite a lot of respect for (1) being willing to try it, and (2) admitting he was wrong |
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| 19:28.48 | Osstia | good afternoon everyone |
| 19:28.50 | tekkub | pfft, Mythbusters did that like two seasons ago |
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| 19:35.19 | ArthicEU | Hi. If I have a question about using AceGUI-3.0, could I ask that question here? |
| 19:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | you could |
| 19:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | you could also ask in #ace with a might higher chance of getting a good answer though |
| 19:39.14 | Thunder_Child | though there is also #wowace |
| 19:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | err, #wowace |
| 19:39.22 | Thunder_Child | fail ScytheBlade1, just fail |
| 19:40.20 | ArthicEU | Ok, thanks, I'll try that first. |
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| 19:48.41 | Osstia | has anyone seen a mod that adds online/offline status to the calendar invite pane? |
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| 19:52.03 | kneeki | Hey everyone |
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| 20:06.36 | Osstia | afternoon kneeki |
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| 20:20.41 | tekkub | I has RSS too! http://feeds2.feedburner.com/tekkub |
| 20:28.58 | foxlit | Hm, so who do I have to torture to alter the viewport? |
| 20:28.59 | zenzelezz | liek grats kk? |
| 20:29.08 | zenzelezz | alter how? |
| 20:29.27 | cbreak | can't you just change it? |
| 20:29.41 | foxlit | You probably can |
| 20:29.45 | foxlit | The question is really how |
| 20:30.43 | cbreak | it's a WorldFrame |
| 20:30.57 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#WorldFrame |
| 20:31.24 | foxlit | Which is nice. |
| 20:31.32 | foxlit | But then you'd think WorldFrame:SetHeight(1); would do something |
| 20:31.53 | zenzelezz | did you clear its anchors first? |
| 20:31.55 | Cide | SetAnchor() |
| 20:32.00 | cbreak | you probably have to ClearAllPoints |
| 20:32.03 | Fisker- | silly Dewin |
| 20:32.08 | foxlit | Did and did. |
| 20:32.22 | cbreak | while out of combat? |
| 20:32.23 | foxlit | :ClearAllPoints(); :SetHeight(768/800*720); :SetPoint("BOTTOM", nil, "BOTTOM", 0, 0); |
| 20:32.25 | Cide | http://ctmod.net/download/15/ |
| 20:33.46 | foxlit | (the crucial point: needs both width and height) |
| 20:34.12 | cbreak | I'd expect it to work if you just set two anchors |
| 20:34.17 | cbreak | (of oposite corners) |
| 20:34.30 | Cide | indeed it does |
| 20:34.44 | Cide | WorldFrame:ClearAllPoints(); SetPoint("TOPLEFT", ...); SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT", ...) |
| 20:37.07 | foxlit | That works as well. |
| 20:37.11 | foxlit | As long as you define a box. |
| 20:37.54 | zenzelezz | is this different from any other frame? I thought they all needed proper instructions on how to appear before they would work |
| 20:39.31 | augustl | zomg, awesome, just launched, hot, roxor, SEO, pro, 2.0 http://frklr.heroku.com/ |
| 20:39.59 | zenzelezz | is unconvinced |
| 20:40.05 | augustl | oh crap, my database is full of eels |
| 20:40.21 | augustl | I thought heroku did that for me! *creates a db* |
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| 20:41.30 | foxlit | That takes an eternity to load :/ |
| 20:41.55 | augustl | it is because the database is full of eels |
| 20:42.17 | foxlit | You're sure it doesn't have anything to do with using outdated web 2.0 technology? |
| 20:42.28 | foxlit | We're all running web 4.2 already. |
| 20:42.47 | zenzelezz | I'm running xweb 1.0 |
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| 20:43.52 | augustl | now we're talking |
| 20:44.19 | Cide | very 2.0 |
| 20:44.29 | Cide | oh wait |
| 20:44.32 | Cide | that's 0.2.0 |
| 20:44.40 | augustl | no javascript =( |
| 20:45.50 | augustl | it needs image upload thingie |
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| 20:48.41 | augustl | also, I thought I were in #rubyonrails. But hey, now you know! |
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| 20:49.31 | Thunder_Child | fail Guest53545 |
| 20:49.33 | Cide | oh hi, Guest53545 |
| 20:49.48 | Guest53545 | apparently if someone calls me while I'm connected, I get disconnected temporarily :/ |
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| 20:49.59 | Thunder_Child | err...dialup? |
| 20:50.19 | Shirik | I've been using my cell phone for internet for about a week now |
| 20:50.35 | foxlit | Hm, I'm running out of scenic locations on Northrend |
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| 20:51.43 | foxlit | Perhaps Scholozar isn't too bad. |
| 20:52.14 | zenzelezz | for your centerfold shoots? |
| 20:52.52 | batrick | Shirik: that's could be a horror story for a movie. |
| 20:53.22 | foxlit | I'd do some filming in Dalaran, but that brings my poor 9800gtx+ to its knees at this quality level. |
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| 21:26.31 | Matrix110 | foxlit? |
| 21:26.38 | foxlit | moo? |
| 21:26.53 | Matrix110 | filming normally is CPU only :P |
| 21:27.26 | foxlit | Perhaps. |
| 21:27.29 | Matrix110 | When I switched to Quad Core I could fraps with virtually no fps loss at all |
| 21:27.33 | foxlit | Rendering things to film is not, however. |
| 21:28.17 | zenzelezz | have you adjusted the process priorities of Fraps/WoW foxlit? I heard someone say that helps, although the game feels more sluggish. But still, Dalaran tends to be awfully crowded |
| 21:28.19 | Shirik | has a quattro fx |
| 21:28.21 | Matrix110 | uhm ok then these new quality options must have had a huge performance impact |
| 21:28.30 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 21:28.37 | zenzelezz | I didn't know Audi made video cards Shirik |
| 21:28.41 | foxlit | Nah, I don't have a performance hit from fraps |
| 21:28.41 | Matrix110 | I had np recording Dalaran when I played with my 8800GTS on highest details |
| 21:28.52 | foxlit | I have a performance hit from Dalaran. |
| 21:29.04 | Shirik | zenzelezz: nvidia card >.> |
| 21:29.09 | zenzelezz | Shirik: that's Quadro |
| 21:29.12 | Shirik | whatever |
| 21:29.18 | Shirik | I still has it! |
| 21:29.19 | zenzelezz | American |
| 21:29.33 | foxlit | 1280x720, 4xFSAA, and lots of everything |
| 21:29.45 | foxlit | Comes out at around ~20-30 fps with vsync on |
| 21:30.03 | foxlit | All of this before fraps |
| 21:30.24 | Matrix110 | 1680x1050 full details but no FSAA but 8x Multisampling :P |
| 21:30.33 | foxlit | same thing, yeah? |
| 21:31.08 | Matrix110 | no its a bit different! |
| 21:31.33 | cbreak | the os x version of wow can record movies on it's own. But I think it doesn't do it optimally |
| 21:31.50 | Matrix110 | cbreak the quality of that is highly superior to Fraps :P |
| 21:31.59 | foxlit | OS X recording is awesome |
| 21:32.09 | Matrix110 | The Mac recording really looks like you see it ingame |
| 21:32.14 | foxlit | But I'd have to install WoW on another MBP, and it's not a process I would care to repeat. |
| 21:32.21 | Matrix110 | while Fraps looks crap in its almost uncompressed footage :P |
| 21:32.31 | cbreak | you can just copy it over fox |
| 21:32.47 | foxlit | I don't have a source. |
| 21:32.49 | zenzelezz | apart from the quality, how does the game feel when recording on a Mac? Do you notice that you're recording? |
| 21:32.55 | foxlit | No. |
| 21:32.57 | Matrix110 | no clue :D |
| 21:32.58 | cbreak | I do notice it |
| 21:33.13 | Matrix110 | But recording screen activities is generally easier on a Mac |
| 21:33.17 | cbreak | I can't record with full framerate |
| 21:33.26 | cbreak | only with about 20 fps, and not full frame size either |
| 21:33.59 | cbreak | only about 1024p |
| 21:34.09 | Matrix110 | When you watch it looked totally smooth atleast and it had the res he used on his Macbook |
| 21:34.28 | cbreak | it's quite smooth |
| 21:34.35 | cbreak | but it's VFR |
| 21:34.40 | cbreak | which is a pain to transcode |
| 21:34.44 | Matrix110 | It looked 100% better than Fraps atleast :P |
| 21:35.00 | foxlit | eh? It outputs to .mov, iirc. |
| 21:35.11 | cbreak | yes |
| 21:35.13 | foxlit | Which just imports into any apple video consumer. |
| 21:35.13 | cbreak | but vfr |
| 21:35.23 | Matrix110 | its h.264 iirc |
| 21:35.29 | cbreak | apple's mpeg 4 encoder sucks |
| 21:35.30 | Matrix110 | (shitty apple one though) |
| 21:35.42 | cbreak | that's why I use x264 |
| 21:35.53 | foxlit | Back to the issue: why does my fps suck in Dalaran? <3 |
| 21:35.54 | cbreak | but my toolchain doesn't understand vfr |
| 21:36.03 | cbreak | RAM? |
| 21:36.09 | foxlit | 4g |
| 21:36.14 | cbreak | gpu bus speed? |
| 21:36.20 | foxlit | pcie |
| 21:36.20 | cbreak | <- just guessing |
| 21:36.21 | Matrix110 | still your x264 encoded fraps footage looks like crap compared to the mac recording because the fraps footage already looks crap :D |
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| 21:36.37 | cbreak | I don't use fraps |
| 21:36.43 | cbreak | I use the mac recorder |
| 21:36.46 | Matrix110 | ah |
| 21:36.55 | cbreak | but as I said, it produces vfr |
| 21:37.05 | Arrowmaster | what if you enable vsync? |
| 21:37.05 | Matrix110 | well ok then it looks better with a lower bitrate compared to apples h.264 encoder |
| 21:37.10 | cbreak | I have vsync |
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| 21:37.37 | cbreak | the problem is when it falls below the framerate I chose for the output video |
| 21:38.22 | Matrix110 | Thats a problem from OS X though iirc |
| 21:39.51 | Shirik | sighs at Java |
| 21:40.06 | Ackis | i hate coffee too Shirik |
| 21:40.13 | Shirik | final int foo; try { foo = bar(); } catch (Exception ex) { foo = 1; } |
| 21:40.14 | cbreak | no, I think it's a systematic problem |
| 21:40.25 | Shirik | Causes error "foo might have already been initialized" |
| 21:40.29 | cbreak | the recorder in WoW just writes the frame into the movie when it is rendered |
| 21:40.33 | Shirik | How the hell can you possibly initialize foo twice in that code |
| 21:40.37 | cbreak | and when that happens too late, it just writes a later time stamp |
| 21:40.37 | foxlit | quit using final |
| 21:40.39 | foxlit | problem solved. |
| 21:40.43 | Shirik | final is good |
| 21:40.46 | cbreak | so the framerate isn't constant |
| 21:41.00 | Ackis | fyi dishwashers are heavier than I thought |
| 21:42.07 | sioraiocht | Ackis: they are rather dense |
| 21:44.29 | Ackis | gf is weak also |
| 21:47.11 | mikma | ackis: same goes with clothwasher |
| 21:47.54 | Ackis | clothswashers don't have to go up a flight of stairs in my house |
| 21:48.27 | mikma | they had to in here |
| 21:48.29 | Fisker- | get a better house |
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| 21:50.42 | foxlit | Whee. |
| 21:51.06 | foxlit | There's this spot in Hellfire Peninsula that makes the Zangarmarsh lakes look *green*. |
| 21:51.26 | Kirov | In the house I grew up in my bedroom was under the kitchen. My desk / computer was directly under the refridgerator, and my body / head were under the dishwasher / stove |
| 21:52.15 | zenzelezz | that explains the outcome |
| 21:52.38 | Kirov | When there was an earthquake one night I moved to the corner of my bed I knew there wasn't a major appliance over my head. |
| 21:52.39 | Kirov | heh |
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| 22:01.01 | Adys | initializes Shirik's foo |
| 22:01.07 | Adys | I need help again |
| 22:01.16 | Adys | gimme another brit sitcom or something. |
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| 22:04.27 | Thunder_Child | new or old or doesnt matter? |
| 22:06.02 | Thunder_Child | Adys |
| 22:06.13 | Adys | not too old but apart from that doesnt matter |
| 22:06.38 | Thunder_Child | whats not too old? |
| 22:06.47 | Thunder_Child | my fave is still 'Are you being served' |
| 22:07.08 | Adys | I dont like bnw |
| 22:07.13 | Adys | well generally |
| 22:07.17 | Thunder_Child | bnw? |
| 22:07.23 | Adys | black and white |
| 22:07.26 | Thunder_Child | ah, this isnt |
| 22:07.48 | Adys | will have a look |
| 22:07.54 | Iriel | Looking for good british comedy? |
| 22:07.58 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:08.04 | Iriel | Yes Minister & Yes Prime Minister, perhaps? |
| 22:08.25 | Iriel | Might require too much britishness, i'm not sure, it's been a while |
| 22:08.37 | Adys | thats a good thing isnt it |
| 22:08.47 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawlty_Towers |
| 22:09.04 | Iriel | I figured the true classics were already exhausted |
| 22:09.12 | Adys | depends |
| 22:09.21 | Iriel | If you haven't seen Fawlty Towers, do that first |
| 22:09.22 | Adys | some of the 25+ year old stuff is hard to find |
| 22:09.44 | Adys | okay thanks |
| 22:09.50 | Iriel | I have that one on DVD, in the US |
| 22:09.56 | Iriel | so it shouldn't be too hard to find, one would hope |
| 22:10.11 | zenzelezz | do Americans "get" Fawlty Towers? |
| 22:10.22 | Iriel | zenzelezz: Probably not all, but many do |
| 22:10.45 | tekkub | why does this sound like a very bad thing? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13581-1.00.html |
| 22:10.53 | tekkub | also, sounds mostly pointless |
| 22:11.32 | nevcairiel | someone mad the AckFrequency hack an addon? |
| 22:11.33 | Adys | Iriel: fawlty towers is with that actor from monty python? |
| 22:11.41 | Iriel | Adys: John Cleese, yes |
| 22:11.54 | Adys | I think Ive seen some of them |
| 22:12.57 | nevcairiel | tekkub: its not "very" bad, its just that you trade latency for throughput |
| 22:12.57 | nevcairiel | also the description is bad |
| 22:12.57 | nevcairiel | false, even |
| 22:12.57 | Iriel | Hm, how about "Porridge" (sp?) - sitcom about some guys in prison, Ronnie Barker (I think) is the lead |
| 22:12.57 | nevcairiel | that guy has no idea how tcp works |
| 22:13.09 | tekkub | okey well, either way it sounds like it's not an actual improvement, just making the numbers look better |
| 22:13.21 | tekkub | yea that's what I meant |
| 22:13.24 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure you really feel a difference |
| 22:13.31 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One |
| 22:13.33 | nevcairiel | but it looks better, indeed |
| 22:13.35 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porridge_%28TV_series%29 |
| 22:13.44 | Iriel | I would think if there was some setting that magically improved TCP latency without a tradeoff that someone, just someone, might have made it the default setting. |
| 22:13.51 | Iriel | Adys: that's the one |
| 22:13.59 | tekkub | I mean, if you're getting rid of acks, you're basically just turning TCP into UDP aren't you? |
| 22:14.10 | nevcairiel | you're not getting rid of acks |
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| 22:14.18 | nevcairiel | thats where the text is totally wrong |
| 22:14.23 | nevcairiel | tcp doesnt function without them |
| 22:14.27 | nevcairiel | you can't just skip them |
| 22:14.28 | tekkub | okey well then, fuck him! |
| 22:14.32 | cbreak | TCP has acks inside the packets |
| 22:14.37 | cbreak | inside normal packets |
| 22:14.45 | Iriel | in the packet headers, anyway |
| 22:14.52 | Adys | that made me realise |
| 22:14.55 | cbreak | yes, not as separates, at lest not always |
| 22:14.58 | Adys | I still got monty pythons left |
| 22:15.05 | Kirov | I should release a "pingFaster" addon that just overrides the netstat function to always show you with a ping of 1 |
| 22:15.22 | nevcairiel | By default, the tcp stack will try to attach the ack to the next data packet |
| 22:15.29 | nevcairiel | which does increase latency by a small margin |
| 22:15.32 | tekkub | wait a sec, I know how to fix latency for good.... |
| 22:15.38 | nevcairiel | if you disable that, it sends the ack directly |
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| 22:15.41 | nevcairiel | in its own package |
| 22:15.44 | nevcairiel | latency is lower |
| 22:15.48 | nevcairiel | but more traffic |
| 22:15.56 | cbreak | more trafic, yes. and more packets |
| 22:16.10 | cbreak | but doesn't WoW use UDP anyway? |
| 22:16.15 | cbreak | at least partially |
| 22:16.22 | nevcairiel | not that i know off |
| 22:16.22 | tekkub | function GetNetStats() return 1,1,1 end |
| 22:16.26 | nevcairiel | its all tcp afaik |
| 22:16.26 | tekkub | SOLVED |
| 22:16.28 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BBC_sitcoms |
| 22:16.34 | Adys | amazing wikipedia has this stuff |
| 22:16.38 | tekkub | now that we've fixed networking, lets attack framerate |
| 22:17.11 | nevcairiel | people should not play with the tcp stack settings if they have no idea how tcp works |
| 22:17.27 | cbreak | I am happy with my 35ms latency :) |
| 22:17.28 | tekkub | which is back to "very bad thing" |
| 22:17.40 | Adys | that's like saying "people shouldn't have sex if they aren't biologists" |
| 22:17.44 | tekkub | well, just bad, publishing it for others is the very |
| 22:17.48 | Adys | playing with tcp stacks is fun |
| 22:17.56 | Adys | its the first thing i do on everyone else's computers |
| 22:18.08 | tekkub | Adys: no it's like saying "people shouldn't have sex if they aren't good parents" |
| 22:18.18 | tekkub | "... or sterile" |
| 22:18.23 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:18.27 | Adys | "or not alive" |
| 22:18.55 | Iriel | Adys: This one had its moments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Mothers_Do_%27Ave_%27Em |
| 22:19.25 | Adys | Seen most of them |
| 22:19.29 | Iriel | Adys: And The Young Ones |
| 22:20.37 | zenzelezz | hm, a guild called "Bruised by Bruiseweed" |
| 22:20.47 | Adys | think ive seen those too |
| 22:20.52 | Adys | a while ago tho |
| 22:21.41 | Adys | Anything recent? |
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| 22:24.26 | Iriel | I've been in the US for the last 16 years, so I'm less well informed now. |
| 22:24.37 | Iriel | Though I already said Black Books in another conversation |
| 22:24.44 | Adys | yep seen it |
| 22:25.10 | Iriel | Bear in mind that BBC is only 1/2 of the 'modern' british TV |
| 22:25.31 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_Fools_and_Horses how decent is that? |
| 22:25.37 | mikma | tekkub: lolo iriel has bear in mind |
| 22:25.51 | tekkub | bear! |
| 22:25.54 | Iriel | Adys: I didn't watch that one too much but it was very popular |
| 22:26.07 | tekkub | there's something else besides BBC? |
| 22:26.19 | tekkub | I thought they just did everything with the channel number |
| 22:26.28 | Adys | channel 4 got some good stuff |
| 22:26.41 | Adys | recent stuff that is |
| 22:26.41 | tekkub | BBC1 BBC2 BBC3 BBC3.14 |
| 22:26.46 | Iriel | This one was decent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Foot_in_the_Grave |
| 22:26.55 | Iriel | tekkub: No, though it feels that way sometimes |
| 22:27.03 | Adys | Theme music composer Eric Idle |
| 22:27.04 | Iriel | tekkub: there's ITV (Independent TeleVision) and Channel 4 |
| 22:27.06 | Adys | cant go wrong |
| 22:27.19 | tekkub | Channel 4 ~= BBC4? |
| 22:27.23 | Iriel | (and then BBC5, in keeping with their stupid tradition) |
| 22:27.27 | Iriel | No channel 4 is independent |
| 22:27.32 | tekkub | WTF? |
| 22:27.35 | Iriel | (independent meaning "not BBC") |
| 22:27.37 | tekkub | that's confusing |
| 22:27.50 | Iriel | So, the BBC is the government funded TV channel -- no commercials, funded from a license tax |
| 22:28.05 | tekkub | you just need good ol ABCNNNBCBS like here in the states |
| 22:28.11 | Iriel | ITV was ad-funded, independent of the BBC |
| 22:28.24 | Adys | here in france everyone is complaining that sarkozy is going to remove commercials from the national channels |
| 22:28.25 | Iriel | and then (during my childhood at some point) Channel 4 appeared |
| 22:28.59 | tekkub | what's this "Dave" crap then? |
| 22:29.03 | Adys | *bear in mind* that it's one of the only good things he's going to achieve during his seat |
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| 22:43.08 | Adys | ~ping |
| 22:43.09 | purl | ~pong |
| 22:48.12 | mikma | ~hai |
| 22:48.13 | purl | Helicopter Association International. The Human Awareness Institute |
| 22:49.11 | zenzelezz | I wasn't aware of the Awareness Institute :( |
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| 23:21.47 | |Jelly| | Shirik: I know you're not there but since you might read the logs, I want you to know that Cairenn just saved your arse from a serious kneecapping! |
| 23:22.10 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 23:38.43 | Shirik | :/ |
| 23:38.47 | Shirik | Iriel, checkstyle hates me |
| 23:39.05 | |Jelly| | Speak of the devil. |
| 23:39.11 | Shirik | warning: Utility classes should not have a public or default constructor. |
| 23:39.15 | Shirik | But it's not a utility class! |
| 23:39.16 | Arrowmaster | so that was cool, lost wintergrasp in less than a minute i think, all i know is i took the portal to the keep and got disconnected, i logged back on and we had lost and i had gotten credit for the 10 kills quest |
| 23:41.41 | zenzelezz | you seem to keep doing all sorts of weird things with Java, Shirik |
| 23:42.03 | Shirik | that's because I'm a C++ programmer |
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