| 00:02.00 | Thunder_Child | i am still unhappy with broker |
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| 00:04.02 | jnwhiteh | "with broker"? |
| 00:04.04 | jnwhiteh | what do you mean |
| 00:05.19 | theorb | Hm, I wonder... is there a way to assign a button for "item with highest level of such-and-such spell"? |
| 00:05.38 | theorb | So I can have a button for "drink one of my best healing potions", &etc? |
| 00:05.53 | Thunder_Child | i still find Fubar to be more convienent and has what i need, broker doesnt have everything |
| 00:06.10 | Thunder_Child | and Fubar2Broker is iffy |
| 00:06.26 | jnwhiteh | well there is no "broker", which is why I asked |
| 00:06.34 | jnwhiteh | LDB is just the vehicle for displays |
| 00:06.42 | jnwhiteh | but that's cool.. use what works for you! |
| 00:07.50 | Thunder_Child | right, but 'broker' is the generic name for all of the addons that fit within it |
| 00:08.19 | jnwhiteh | I disagree, but that's okay! |
| 00:08.51 | foxlit | Broker issue: too easy to typo as 'Broken'. Discuss. |
| 00:08.59 | jnwhiteh | WG dailies aren't available until level 80, right? |
| 00:09.03 | Thunder_Child | you disagree that it's the common term? |
| 00:09.25 | jnwhiteh | I don't think its an appropriate common term |
| 00:09.35 | Thunder_Child | be that as it may, thats whats used |
| 00:09.44 | jnwhiteh | well now I know |
| 00:09.50 | jnwhiteh | so I can hate it in hiding |
| 00:09.57 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 00:10.00 | jnwhiteh | displays are disjoint from feeds.. and there are feeds that are as expressive as their fubar components.. and most displays supports all the necessary features |
| 00:10.23 | jnwhiteh | The fact that individual feeds are not written to be as full-featured as their FB components is a fault of those authors, and I agree it's sad. |
| 00:10.34 | Industrial | Anyone know a channel dedicated to hunters? |
| 00:17.46 | aesir | Well, there's the Sportsman Channel. On cable. But that covers fishing, too. Though I suppose fishing is a lot like hunting, but with fish. *wanders off* |
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| 00:20.05 | Kraps | somethings wrong with me,i want to move my main to this rp server |
| 00:21.05 | Thunder_Child | something is wrong with you |
| 00:21.41 | Kraps | thats what i said |
| 00:23.32 | Kraps | wtf, rping a blind elf? |
| 00:24.50 | Thunder_Child | s/is/*is*/ |
| 00:27.05 | Thunder_Child | i'm going to RP a bagpipe playing bard one of these days |
| 00:27.19 | Thunder_Child | in an all bard group |
| 00:27.41 | Kraps | everyone rps in tells :( |
| 00:28.18 | theorbtwo | Kraps: I expect server transfers to an RP server to work *really* badly. |
| 00:28.33 | Kraps | what do you mean? |
| 00:29.55 | theorbtwo | Kraps: You'll end up with a high-level character that has no relation to the plot going on in the world you end up in. |
| 00:30.30 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.eatmedaily.com/2009/05/towards-a-grand-unification-of-cutlery/ |
| 00:30.32 | Kraps | yeah |
| 00:30.45 | Kraps | later |
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| 00:40.28 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - my elementary school actually had splayds |
| 00:40.41 | Kirov | Sporks with a straight, serated edge. |
| 00:40.57 | Kirov | They didn't last long ... |
| 00:41.28 | Thunder_Child | cant be straight and serated.... |
| 00:41.53 | Kirov | flat, serated? |
| 00:42.08 | Thunder_Child | vs? |
| 00:42.31 | theorbtwo | Normal knives are beveled and serated. |
| 00:42.48 | Kirov | vs curved like the side of a spoon |
| 00:43.52 | Thunder_Child | i odnt think you can have an unbeveled knife, nor a curved + sertaed one |
| 00:44.01 | Thunder_Child | dont* |
| 00:44.08 | Thunder_Child | or at least i have never seen one |
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| 00:46.02 | NightHawkTheSane | why couldn't you just serrate the edge of a spoon? |
| 00:47.28 | alestane | A grapefruit spoon? |
| 00:47.45 | Kraftman | would be hard to cut straight lines |
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| 00:49.56 | Thunder_Child | look closely alestane, the serated part is on a straight line, thats why it goes to a point |
| 00:51.20 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/419/ |
| 00:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hop hop hop |
| 00:53.36 | alestane | A noblegarden bunny! Catch it! |
| 00:55.25 | Thunder_Child | "[05:52] You have learned a new spell: Degenerate Player (Rank 9)." <-- it's what i read >.< |
| 00:56.32 | End | wow |
| 00:56.35 | End | tonight's raid |
| 00:56.37 | End | no DKs |
| 00:58.16 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or can grid not figure out when weakened soul goes away? |
| 00:58.48 | NightHawkTheSane | can't speak to that, but it seems to not be able to show earth shield anymore >< |
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| 01:20.31 | Duman | is the equip. manager config stuff saved server-side? |
| 01:24.10 | mikma | i believe so |
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| 01:26.07 | Duman | k |
| 01:26.23 | Duman | iriel might know off the top of his head :) |
| 01:26.26 | Duman | [06:20PM] > is the equip. manager config stuff saved server-side? |
| 01:26.41 | Iriel | To the extent of my knowledge, yes |
| 01:26.52 | Duman | cool |
| 01:29.38 | Beutju | can i break a for ... do loop? |
| 01:30.07 | mikma | why not |
| 01:30.24 | foxlit | (yes) |
| 01:30.44 | Beutju | return; ? |
| 01:30.52 | foxlit | break; |
| 01:31.04 | mikma | return is evil |
| 01:31.11 | foxlit | though return; works as well. It's just that you have to figure out what you want. |
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| 01:40.25 | Kaso | http://store.steampowered.com/stats/content/ |
| 01:40.33 | Kaso | guess when spy/sniper patch was released? |
| 01:40.51 | mikma | january 4th 1998 |
| 01:43.44 | Kaso | 10.97 Gigabytes a second |
| 01:43.48 | Kaso | that's freaking crazy |
| 01:47.39 | Zynderps | "You now find new and old items as you play, instead of through achievements" |
| 01:47.41 | Zynderps | ;/ |
| 01:50.13 | Dagmar | huh? |
| 01:51.19 | Dagmar | Ah... Got it. |
| 01:53.38 | Iriel | "The steam servers are too busy to handle your request, please try again in a few minutes" |
| 01:53.54 | Iriel | s/too/currently too/ |
| 01:56.27 | Kaso | you can hardly blame the steam servers with the amount of data pumping out atm |
| 01:57.08 | Zyndrome | bluh |
| 01:57.45 | Zyndrome | Steam is so loaded right now, can't get loadouts or servers :< |
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| 02:00.39 | durcyn | aren't they pushing a tf2 content patch tonight? |
| 02:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | They just did |
| 02:01.23 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 02:01.42 | Iriel | It took a bit of time for my client to realize it was there, but it started to DL |
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| 02:06.42 | kd3 | heh. I was waiting for 5 minutes just staring at the steam window and it didn't get started |
| 02:06.45 | kd3 | I'll wait til tomorrow |
| 02:06.56 | Iriel | kd3: ask it to launch the game |
| 02:07.06 | Iriel | kd3: that's when mine went 'Oh!' and started to download |
| 02:07.07 | mikma | what's the hustle behind that steam thing |
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| 02:07.15 | Iriel | though iut's been stuck at 29% for a while |
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| 02:15.34 | Zyndrome | took a quick solo-walk through the new Payload Race map, and jesus ffffffffffffffffff |
| 02:31.59 | Kirov | ? |
| 02:32.04 | Kirov | How big is it? |
| 02:32.32 | Kraps | i KNEW that big-mouth hunter was gonna piss people off |
| 02:32.55 | Kaso | The best thing about the new map is that if the cart stops moving on the steep slope thingy at the end it it rolls backwards really quickly |
| 02:33.58 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/9f896d8bf883e63e4252e1166910284278d20393/plr_pipeline0000.jpg |
| 02:33.59 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/0e3a5a8f49693145b034b06ac452736f89273782/plr_pipeline0001.jpg |
| 02:34.02 | Kaso | Kirov, ^ |
| 02:34.13 | Kraps | now hes all butt-hurt |
| 02:34.35 | Thunder_Child | nifty |
| 02:34.56 | Thunder_Child | i still havent got any items in that game yet |
| 02:35.22 | Kaso | they drop randomly now, so you should have an ok time getting them |
| 02:35.43 | Thunder_Child | i dont play all that much though :( |
| 02:36.12 | Kaso | you can try just using SAM and doing the unlocks to get the old items in one go too ;p |
| 02:36.37 | Kaso | http://www.gib.me/sam/ |
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| 02:37.34 | Kaso | though they might have removed the milestones completely im not sure |
| 02:43.32 | Zyndrome | Kaso , you now get new items by finding them somehow, rather than achievement milestones |
| 02:44.10 | Kaso | yah |
| 02:44.32 | Zyndrome | makes achievement servers absolete I think :p |
| 02:44.47 | Kaso | but have they retroactively removed the old achievement milestones for old items, or can you get the old items both ways |
| 02:45.17 | Zyndrome | I think they changed it entirelly ;/ |
| 02:50.16 | mikma | kraps: what hunter why butthead? |
| 02:50.30 | Kraps | butt-hurt |
| 02:50.44 | Kraps | this guild veteran hunter |
| 02:51.23 | Kraps | he wont shut up and pay attention |
| 02:52.07 | Kraps | now he did when everyone got on his case |
| 02:52.08 | mikma | lawl, pro++ |
| 02:52.22 | mikma | i've seen couple of players who are like that |
| 02:52.50 | mikma | its freaking annoying to even try to talk when they go on like duracell bunnies |
| 02:53.17 | mikma | yap, yap, yap (2 sec pause when you think its ok to talk) yap yap YAP, yap |
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| 03:00.52 | Kraps | WE GOT HIM |
| 03:00.57 | Kraps | gluth on 25 |
| 03:01.34 | Kraps | 2nd night |
| 03:02.00 | Industrial | yipes ;\ |
| 03:04.54 | Dagmar | mikma: Some folks just don't understand mic discipline |
| 03:05.02 | Dagmar | My gf being one of them |
| 03:05.37 | mikma | dagmar: our guild has rule "be quiet while encounter is on" |
| 03:05.44 | mikma | same goes for tacs |
| 03:06.02 | Dagmar | Yeah but there's always that "wiggle room". |
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| 03:06.43 | mikma | we have this dude that just dont stfu |
| 03:06.49 | Dagmar | If I get killed, I just say "Hunter down. Doh." She gets killed... "OMG I'm dead. I'm dead! I don't know what happened there, the dots just got me and those adds weren't helping I couldn't get them to leave me alone. Man I hate being dead" |
| 03:07.03 | Kraps | Dagmar: mikma: this guy has to report every crit, kill shot etc and its friken annoying |
| 03:07.03 | mikma | hah! |
| 03:07.18 | Dagmar | Kraps: Maybe he could install TopScoreFu and just save it for the end of the fight |
| 03:07.26 | mikma | kraps: ventrilo whore =/ |
| 03:07.31 | Dagmar | It'll be punishment enough by itself |
| 03:07.36 | tekkub | woooo! no more glyph mastery for me! |
| 03:07.43 | Dagmar | The first ten minutes or so that addon is REALLY CHATTY. |
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| 03:08.24 | Dagmar | I'm seriously considering suggesting that perhaps it should attempt to come up with soem ballpark numbers and not say anything until a "high score" is actually in the upper third of those |
| 03:08.57 | mikma | dagmar: i hate talking in vent, i usually type instead of talk |
| 03:09.02 | Dagmar | I do both |
| 03:09.30 | Dagmar | ...although I tend to be pasting elaborations/specifics about various boss things while the guild leader is going over the strategy |
| 03:09.37 | mikma | i might answer something like "on cooldown" for hero and "okidoki" for info about hero |
| 03:09.49 | Dagmar | Yay concision! |
| 03:19.30 | Kraps | this guy was bitching that the zombies were not following him, they kept saying that the rogue was tricksing them to the ret pally, then another hunter says "you deal with your grate i'll deal with mine" so he got all "why yall starting shit" and 10 people were yelling at once |
| 03:19.41 | Thunder_Child | anyone know the range of replensish? |
| 03:28.13 | airtonix | 100yds |
| 03:28.36 | airtonix | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=57669 |
| 03:40.14 | kd3 | heh at everyone bitching at kadokawa for sneaking the second season of haruhi on the masses |
| 03:56.56 | Kirov | what addon does /in |
| 03:57.00 | Iriel | Wow, did anyone see this? http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/05/21/video-worlds-most-aw.html |
| 03:57.15 | Iriel | It's absolutely worth following the link to the ProVideo Coalition site to see the result |
| 03:57.58 | Dagmar | Good lord |
| 03:59.07 | Dagmar | nevermind the result |
| 03:59.24 | Dagmar | If he'd muffed that, he'd be out of a job |
| 03:59.25 | Iriel | The result is awesome tho, there's genius in the idea |
| 04:00.57 | Dagmar | ...and finance guys screaming in terror |
| 04:01.11 | Dagmar | He's only risking like twenty-five grand or more in gear there |
| 04:01.26 | Iriel | I'm sure it's insured |
| 04:02.03 | Iriel | I've noticed professionals tend to take a very pragmatic view of their ridiculously expensive gear, unlike the gadget worship of those of us who're just amateurs |
| 04:02.22 | Dagmar | Insurance typically doesn't cover "negligence" |
| 04:02.47 | Dagmar | You might get some pushback filing a claim on a busted segway and crushed stseadicam |
| 04:03.13 | Dagmar | That blog post is right about the guy having big swinging ones |
| 04:03.54 | Iriel | I wonder how many times he had to rehearse the dismount to stage |
| 04:09.53 | mikma | hah |
| 04:10.08 | mikma | realtime bullet-time etc etc neoooooooooo |
| 04:11.53 | Dagmar | I'd have made him run it with a sleeping badger in his hands if I were his boss |
| 04:11.59 | Dagmar | Set those motivation levels properly |
| 04:19.18 | mikma | now, i have to remind you guys that Dark Knight -crew wrecked a really expensive and rare camera while shooting a car-crash scene =/ |
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| 04:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you has another bug |
| 04:23.47 | Shirik | yey |
| 04:24.18 | Shirik | rofl @ "nonexistant" |
| 04:24.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true though |
| 04:24.46 | mikma | gah |
| 04:24.55 | Shirik | I need you to perform a stack dump for me |
| 04:25.03 | mikma | cant remember the standard now... |
| 04:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, how? |
| 04:25.14 | Shirik | Run it from a terminal |
| 04:25.15 | mikma | not cinemax.. not thx.. |
| 04:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 04:25.23 | Shirik | with something like "java -jar mmoimgr.jar > ./dump.txt" |
| 04:25.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It sits and does nothing |
| 04:25.26 | Shirik | then send SIGQUIT to it |
| 04:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That I can try |
| 04:25.32 | Shirik | send SIGQUIT when it hangs |
| 04:25.37 | Shirik | it should dump a ton of info to the text file |
| 04:26.07 | Shirik | You may want to tee it or something so you know it happened |
| 04:27.16 | Shirik | like java -jar mmoimgr.jar | tee dump.txt |
| 04:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | yay got it |
| 04:27.22 | ScytheBlade1 | nah no worries |
| 04:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | uploading |
| 04:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | done |
| 04:28.25 | Shirik | that is by far one of the coolest features I've found in Sun's JVM to date |
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| 04:29.15 | Shirik | BUT |
| 04:29.16 | mikma | oh yeah, IMAX |
| 04:29.20 | Shirik | I found an even cooler feature today at work |
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| 04:29.28 | Shirik | A vim plugin for visual studio |
| 04:29.31 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:29.36 | Shirik | I think I fell in love |
| 04:29.45 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: did you get the three libs and manually put them in place? |
| 04:29.49 | Shirik | It's visual studio, but with vim commands |
| 04:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: yup |
| 04:30.24 | Cairenn | k |
| 04:32.07 | Shirik | ParallelGC? wtf is that |
| 04:32.18 | Shirik | Sun's JVM takes advantage of multiple cores for GC? |
| 04:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the only JVM I have installed |
| 04:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And I knew that because I used to have at least two different ones installed, and stuff broke |
| 04:35.36 | mikma | During the filming of The Dark Knight one of the cameras was smashed up during the car chase. |
| 04:35.50 | mikma | there are like 7 left now |
| 04:36.10 | Shirik | ah yep ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:36.19 | Shirik | that line main is blocked on is a barrier waiting for an "all clear" signal basically |
| 04:36.27 | Shirik | which it will never receive |
| 04:36.29 | ScytheBlade1 | open the strace |
| 04:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | You can see which thread pisses itself and dies |
| 04:36.39 | Shirik | I'll post a 64-bit build, but you can do it yourself if you want |
| 04:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure it's the (a?) GUI thread |
| 04:36.57 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it is too |
| 04:37.06 | Shirik | I think it's the SWT/DJProject thread |
| 04:37.10 | Shirik | (NativeSwing) |
| 04:37.15 | ScytheBlade1 | strace doesn't tell me that |
| 04:37.23 | ScytheBlade1 | sadly |
| 04:37.27 | Shirik | try grabbing the library yourself |
| 04:37.40 | Shirik | look for Eclipse SWT |
| 04:37.44 | Shirik | grab the 3.5 library |
| 04:38.00 | Shirik | find the "swt.jar" and replace the one that's already in the lib folder |
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| 04:38.30 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm I don't have it offhand, but I bet that eclipse can download it pretty easily |
| 04:38.39 | Shirik | er |
| 04:38.43 | Shirik | just google eclipse swt :) |
| 04:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I have eclipse installed |
| 04:38.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It's probably a checkbox away |
| 04:39.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, I have a swt.jar in the lib folder already? |
| 04:39.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That wasn't in any of the stuff you gave me |
| 04:39.43 | Shirik | Yes it was, you just didn't notice |
| 04:39.47 | Shirik | it was in the core zip |
| 04:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Gonna go with |
| 04:40.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "No it isn't" |
| 04:40.11 | Shirik | yes it is :P |
| 04:40.29 | Cairenn | boys, don't make me turn this channel around! |
| 04:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, THAT lib folder |
| 04:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You and your multiple lib folders |
| 04:40.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerk |
| 04:40.42 | Shirik | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:40.43 | purl | You suck at everything in life, ScytheBlade1. I hate you because you fail. |
| 04:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey I'm not the one with the custom fail |
| 04:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 04:40.59 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
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| 04:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay replaced it |
| 04:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | No go |
| 04:43.23 | Shirik | still crashes? |
| 04:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | looks like |
| 04:45.04 | Wobin | hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TcJKFB0sY |
| 04:49.44 | Kirov | what a nightmare |
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| 04:51.36 | mikma | poor guy |
| 04:52.23 | mikma | wobin: we need to have some sort of youtube contests! |
| 04:52.37 | kd3 | oh wow. that steadicam shot is nuts |
| 04:52.56 | mikma | you know what else is nuts? |
| 04:53.02 | mikma | my nuts. |
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| 05:09.17 | tekkub | rawr |
| 05:09.23 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 05:09.26 | tekkub | horde fjord (hehe) is 3/4 done |
| 05:09.52 | tekkub | anyone started there way back when? I need to know how exactly it flows into dragonblight |
| 05:10.10 | Wobin | It doesn't =\ |
| 05:10.11 | Iriel | Hm, we started at the other side, but did some fjord quests |
| 05:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | single breadcrumb quest |
| 05:10.18 | Iriel | Venomspite, is the flow |
| 05:10.23 | Iriel | from New Agamand |
| 05:10.28 | tekkub | venomspite? ick |
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| 05:10.38 | Iriel | If you're horde, anyway |
| 05:10.50 | tekkub | maybe I'll send the player to the chubby walrus village to take a turtle then |
| 05:10.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Alliance is the base just outside naxx |
| 05:11.01 | tekkub | yea I've done ally 2.5 times |
| 05:11.26 | tekkub | I want the player to end up over by AK, as that's where the BT guide flows in from |
| 05:11.38 | Iriel | The quest from new ag flies them there |
| 05:11.41 | tekkub | think tuskarr village is a better run |
| 05:11.55 | tekkub | it does? |
| 05:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | it does |
| 05:12.11 | Iriel | yep, it does |
| 05:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The quest takes you on a /very/ fast gryphon |
| 05:12.59 | tekkub | to Agmar's Hammer or Venomspite? |
| 05:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | To the alliance base, I know that much |
| 05:13.22 | tekkub | I'm not asking about ally |
| 05:13.33 | tekkub | I've done ally 2.5 times, I know it well enough :P |
| 05:13.40 | ronghail | turtle from tuskarr |
| 05:14.29 | ronghail | then you steal the children |
| 05:14.32 | Iriel | tekkub: you're asked to deliver something from new ag to venomspite |
| 05:14.42 | tekkub | yea turtle then http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11996 |
| 05:14.47 | tekkub | looks to be best route |
| 05:14.51 | Iriel | and you get flown there as part of it, and can pick up the FP on the other end |
| 05:14.57 | tekkub | I don't want them at VS Iriel |
| 05:15.09 | tekkub | they go there later in the guide |
| 05:15.27 | tekkub | and it's too troublesome to split up those two sections based on which side they enter from |
| 05:15.44 | tekkub | there's a flight from the Tuskarr village, I'll use that |
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| 05:39.29 | Thunder_Child | ~seen elkano |
| 05:39.31 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 15h 5m 2s ago, saying: 'torhal, he sets the icons via tooltip.lines[x].cells[y]:SetBackdrop()'. |
| 05:40.35 | Thunder_Child | anyone know if ebb pulls the info dynamicly or is it a saved flat value? |
| 05:41.43 | Thunder_Child | because it's saying that my flask is 2 hours long |
| 05:45.02 | Shadowed | So has anyone managed to disable auto closing of unresponsive apps on click in Vista/7? |
| 05:45.11 | Shadowed | accidentally clicking WoW while reloading and it exiting is driving me nuts |
| 05:45.32 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: there's a cache of the longest recorded duration for an aura, last i looked |
| 05:45.46 | Shadowed | I dunno why he would be using that anymore |
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| 05:46.10 | Shadowed | it was only needed until I think 3.0? we can get duration now so it's only needed for temp enchants |
| 05:46.47 | durcyn | ebb's not had much done to it since 3.0 though, shrug |
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| 05:51.06 | Thunder_Child | hmm..well i doubt fy frostwyrm flask is 2 hours |
| 05:51.14 | Thunder_Child | s/fy/my/ |
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| 06:13.10 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, are you an alchemist? |
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| 06:14.17 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, my priest is, and all flasks have twice the duration because of mixology |
| 06:16.44 | Thunder_Child | airtonix..so i am |
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| 06:39.02 | Cairenn | Torhal: heh, can try, right? |
| 06:42.24 | Torhal | Cairenn: Indeed :) |
| 06:43.14 | Grum | airtonix: and extra stats from it! |
| 06:43.26 | airtonix | 20% i think |
| 06:43.47 | airtonix | or 15 cant remember |
| 06:44.53 | Grum | no its a fixed number |
| 06:44.57 | Grum | 38 spellpower for example :) |
| 06:45.13 | Grum | or 37 i think it is even |
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| 07:13.52 | zenzio | "But nobody updates their perceptions, so the old ideas shine through." -- probably one of the better comments I've seen on Slashdot |
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| 07:22.41 | Torhal | mikma: Feh. LibQTip now has tooltip:AddSeparator() |
| 07:23.09 | zenzio | I wouldn't like my qtips to separate :-/ |
| 07:23.23 | Torhal | zenzio: Stop sticking them there, then! |
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| 07:23.38 | zenzio | but it feels so right |
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| 07:41.01 | Thunder_Child | how can you see the guild bank log? |
| 07:45.18 | airtonix | with permission |
| 07:45.30 | Thunder_Child | bah, should be open to everyone |
| 07:47.42 | airtonix | ~api QueryGuildBankLog |
| 07:47.43 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_QueryGuildBankLog |
| 07:48.05 | airtonix | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Guild_Bank_Functions |
| 07:50.20 | airtonix | actually i dont think you dont need permission |
| 07:51.05 | airtonix | or maybe every guild i've been in has set that permission, not sure...but you do need to be in proximity to the gbank to update with valid data for those queries |
| 07:51.56 | jnwhiteh | !api QuestGuildBank |
| 07:51.57 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'QuestGuildBank'. |
| 07:52.02 | jnwhiteh | !api QueryGuildBank |
| 07:52.02 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'QueryGuildBank': QueryGuildBankLog, QueryGuildBankText, QueryGuildBankTab |
| 07:52.08 | jnwhiteh | i should not query apis on 6 hours sleep |
| 07:52.14 | jnwhiteh | !api QueryGuildBankLog |
| 07:52.15 | lua_bot | QueryGuildBankLog: Queries the server for a guild bank log for a specific tab (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/QueryGuildBankLog) |
| 07:53.08 | airtonix | GetGuildBankMoneyTransaction(index) - No bank proximity required, however QueryGuildBankLog function requires proximity. |
| 07:54.23 | Thunder_Child | does that mean i wouldnt need permision |
| 07:54.42 | airtonix | seems not, just proximity |
| 08:11.05 | jnwhiteh | i am vry tired |
| 08:11.18 | jnwhiteh | I think you can view the log regardless. |
| 08:12.57 | Thunder_Child | meh, i can, but then i dont have full access |
| 08:13.24 | Thunder_Child | cant* |
| 08:16.28 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/user/cappapie |
| 08:16.31 | Wobin | some good mashups there |
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| 08:19.13 | Industrial | gah anoying |
| 08:19.25 | Industrial | I seem to have done all quests in nessingwary's camp |
| 08:19.33 | Industrial | and I cant find the start of the oracles quests |
| 08:19.36 | Industrial | not even on wowhead >_< |
| 08:20.16 | cncfanatics | Industrial: its killing a panther |
| 08:20.19 | cncfanatics | or some random kitty |
| 08:20.22 | cncfanatics | can't remember |
| 08:20.31 | cncfanatics | then a frenzyheart will popup and say you stole his kill |
| 08:20.39 | cncfanatics | I can't remember where that is though |
| 08:20.57 | Wobin | Pitch |
| 08:21.03 | Wobin | The black lion looking cat |
| 08:21.06 | Industrial | thanks |
| 08:21.08 | Wobin | near the south pillar |
| 08:21.19 | Wobin | a little north of the bugs |
| 08:23.30 | Industrial | wanna get started on the egg asap :p |
| 08:24.12 | cncfanatics | meh egg |
| 08:24.33 | Industrial | yeah what else would I want from them |
| 08:28.13 | Wobin | meh |
| 08:28.18 | Wobin | I want to like the frenzyheart |
| 08:28.22 | Wobin | but they're such utter dickheads |
| 08:35.22 | Grum | AceEvent-2.0 had a RegisterBucketEvent, is there anything similar in Ace3 (i cant find it this fast) -- or do you have to build a throttle yourself? |
| 08:36.28 | Wobin | hehe, eminem/FF7 mashup |
| 08:36.30 | jnwhiteh | AceBucket imo |
| 08:36.46 | Grum | jnwhiteh: ah it got a seperate lib? |
| 08:36.49 | jnwhiteh | yeah i think so |
| 08:36.52 | jnwhiteh | iirc |
| 08:36.53 | Grum | kk cheers |
| 08:37.05 | Grum | and indeed it did :D ... http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/pages/api/ace-bucket-3-0/ |
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| 08:38.42 | Kalroth | i has bucket?? |
| 08:38.51 | Grum | bukkit sold out :'( |
| 08:40.57 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 08:41.03 | jnwhiteh | what is the different between the two wintergrasp commendations? |
| 08:42.52 | Grum | humz when using wowlua ingame how on earth do i rename a page? o.O |
| 08:43.00 | jnwhiteh | shift-save |
| 08:43.00 | jnwhiteh | i think |
| 08:43.03 | jnwhiteh | the tooltip on save says |
| 08:43.06 | jnwhiteh | save as :P |
| 08:43.11 | jnwhiteh | that's all gonna get reworked |
| 08:43.13 | jnwhiteh | eventually |
| 08:43.14 | Grum | ah! |
| 08:43.19 | Grum | l2readtooltip |
| 08:43.36 | Grum | i've got too many pages atm ;D |
| 08:43.39 | Grum | need to start naming them :D |
| 08:43.59 | Grum | i wish there was a nice way to 'clean up' frames generated by templates |
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| 10:39.32 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=843#comic |
| 10:40.04 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 11:31.32 | Wobin | http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1421#comic |
| 11:37.48 | Wobin | oh man, geek humour =P http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=807#comic |
| 11:39.38 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 12:41.53 | Lopeppeppy | makes a mess with confetti. Party time! |
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| 13:08.26 | Zuz666 | @project BigWigs3 |
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| 13:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | this is making the rounds... |
| 13:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226570 |
| 13:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | tl;dr guy pours two bottles of NOS into his motorcycle |
| 13:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, whoops, he actually dumped the energy drink, not the fuel supplement, into his tank |
| 13:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | (page 2 is where he finds that out) |
| 13:52.36 | Grum | is there any way to rotate a frame? or can you only rotate textures? |
| 13:53.20 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, that's awful! Poor motorcycle! |
| 13:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: awfully amazing |
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| 13:58.17 | Industrial | ScytheBlade1: hahahaha |
| 13:58.23 | Grum | that is quite epic haha |
| 13:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | People are made of stupid and fail, with a side order of asshattery for spice. |
| 13:58.53 | Industrial | ScytheBlade1: the problem is just the random-dude wanting to fix his problem by pouring magic over it |
| 13:59.21 | Lopeppeppy | IF he wasn't just spoofing. :) |
| 13:59.41 | Grum | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/05/custom_1242929636250_NOSFFFFUUUUUUU.jpg <- lol :p |
| 14:01.29 | Industrial | haha |
| 14:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | My sheeple are MF stupid. Just.... so stupid. |
| 14:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I can has magic motorcycle juice? |
| 14:06.51 | Lopeppeppy | If you want it, go buy it. In the cooler section. :) |
| 14:10.50 | dardack | that' is either the best trolling i've ever seen, or i just have no words for the stupidity |
| 14:11.53 | Grum | best is when he first linked it, it only had 52 pages of comments ;D |
| 14:12.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I told you it was "making the rounds" |
| 14:12.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally meant that |
| 14:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | also, from digg |
| 14:17.21 | Seerah | I can has link? |
| 14:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/timdorr/2444960854/sizes/l/ <-- gabe newell |
| 14:17.34 | ScytheBlade1 | and Seerah: http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226570 |
| 14:17.46 | Seerah | holy cow that's a big screen |
| 14:18.18 | foxlit | "Resurrect now?" |
| 14:18.42 | Lopeppeppy | Holy crap that huge. |
| 14:19.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Well he's got the cash to burn |
| 14:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (Kinda what happens when you own Steam) |
| 14:20.06 | nicoli_s | haha gabe newell plays wow what a newb |
| 14:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | Very true, I gues. |
| 14:20.17 | nicoli_s | why doesnt he play the tf2 mmo |
| 14:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | How d'ya know he doesn't? |
| 14:21.02 | nicoli_s | magic? |
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| 14:36.30 | Wobin | .. |
| 14:36.39 | Wobin | I'm surprised he plays at such a large resolution |
| 14:36.55 | Wobin | or would that be 'small' resolution |
| 14:37.28 | Lopeppeppy | thinks bigger is not always better. |
| 14:38.02 | AckisWork | penis |
| 14:38.09 | AckisWork | wait wot? |
| 14:38.09 | Wobin | horse. |
| 14:38.20 | AckisWork | hey Lopeppeppy ace isn't an acronym! OWNED! ahahaha |
| 14:38.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I still stand bay what I said. |
| 14:38.25 | Lopeppeppy | ACE! |
| 14:38.27 | Lopeppeppy | LUA! |
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| 14:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | CORNDOGS! |
| 14:38.33 | Wobin | PIE |
| 14:38.37 | Wobin | mmm |
| 14:38.42 | krka | Lopeppeppy: Lua is not an acronym. :-) |
| 14:38.47 | Seerah | what does PIE stand for? ;) |
| 14:39.00 | Lopeppeppy | ACE! |
| 14:39.02 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 14:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | PINE is not ELM! |
| 14:39.21 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 14:39.26 | Arrowmaster | thats bad |
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| 14:39.40 | AckisWork | wow branch out from tree puns please |
| 14:39.47 | Wobin | PIE is Passionately Important Eating |
| 14:39.49 | Lopeppeppy | Not my pun. *sniff* |
| 14:39.55 | AckisWork | leaf it alone Lopeppeppy |
| 14:40.00 | AckisWork | quit pining over it |
| 14:40.17 | Wobin | son of a birch, AckisWork |
| 14:40.36 | AckisWork | you're barking up the wrong tree |
| 14:40.59 | AckisWork | want me to stop? |
| 14:41.54 | nicoli_s | nop |
| 14:42.33 | AckisWork | can someone look at this video and tell me if it's as terrible as I think? http://www.viddler.com/explore/SavePups/videos/1/ |
| 14:42.52 | nicoli_s | thats not a tree pun |
| 14:42.58 | AckisWork | I know |
| 14:43.02 | Wobin | that's a terrible tree pun =( |
| 14:43.15 | Wobin | and I don't really want to watch it from the title =\ |
| 14:43.31 | AckisWork | it was linked in a group called "stop using live dogs as shark bait" |
| 14:43.54 | AckisWork | and I odn't know if it's bullshit or not but I'm too weeny to watch |
| 14:43.59 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:44.08 | Seerah | Wobin: I'm with you |
| 14:44.22 | Grum | nothing in there except owners who dont take care of their fishing equipment |
| 14:44.27 | Wobin | ugh |
| 14:44.28 | Wobin | http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp |
| 14:45.24 | Wobin | So, 'undecided' |
| 14:45.33 | Wobin | as, "it does happen, but they mostly use dead dogs" |
| 14:45.54 | Grum | sorry, but from my PoV that is just an owner who found his dog in the shed with his fishign equipment |
| 14:46.06 | Grum | as if people never hook themselves to stuff? |
| 14:46.16 | Wobin | SEAKITTENS |
| 14:46.43 | Seerah | why did I click that Wobin? :( :( |
| 14:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | Until I see someone doing it, I'm not getting all up in the air over it. Labs are NOTORIOUS for trying to eat anything they come across. |
| 14:46.54 | Wobin | I know =( Poor pup |
| 14:46.56 | Lopeppeppy | gives Seerah the brain bleahc. |
| 14:47.04 | AckisWork | can i has some Lopeppeppy ? |
| 14:47.07 | Seerah | more! I need moar! |
| 14:47.13 | AckisWork | oh my animals are all assholes, just like me btw |
| 14:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | pokes around for someone who has admin rights over the Minion bug database |
| 14:47.41 | AckisWork | I have a childs tent in my house for my nephews/nieces... we moved it into the hallway to clean up the room it was in, and the animals spent all night playing in it/with it/around it |
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| 14:47.53 | Lopeppeppy | My cat would claw holes in that in a heartbeat. |
| 14:47.56 | AckisWork | all I would here is kitty cats running and then a smack against the tent |
| 14:48.21 | Seerah | lol |
| 14:48.44 | AckisWork | then the asshole dog got involved |
| 14:48.51 | nicoli_s | my cats freak the fuck out whenever we rearange anything |
| 14:49.08 | mikma | then stop doing it ye evil bastard |
| 14:49.28 | Lopeppeppy | My cat hates me, I packed to go camping, she hates to see me get out the suitcase.... |
| 14:49.38 | Lopeppeppy | And when the big food dishes come out, she pouts! |
| 14:49.43 | Seerah | did she lay all over it? |
| 14:49.58 | Lopeppeppy | She does, Seerah. And in it, to prevent me from putting stuff in. |
| 14:50.03 | Seerah | yep |
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| 14:50.40 | Seerah | I was packing some boxes last night and my dog kept shoving toys in my face, in the box, panting all over me, etc |
| 14:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | She's going to hate when I start packing on June 1. |
| 14:51.08 | Seerah | did you find a place? |
| 14:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | A smaller apartment in the same complex. |
| 14:51.32 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: my gf and I have 2 rooms open in our house!!!!!! |
| 14:51.38 | Seerah | that's good that you don't have to go far ;) |
| 14:51.57 | Lopeppeppy | Couple hundred yards. Still have to pack it all up though. |
| 14:52.07 | Lopeppeppy | http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/Kendra/Laptopkitteh.jpg |
| 14:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I'm not moving to Canada, eh. |
| 14:52.26 | AckisWork | aww what aboot it |
| 14:52.36 | Seerah | hehe |
| 14:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | My baby is full of cute. |
| 14:53.17 | AckisWork | on a side note I tried to pay for my wow sub w/ paypal... got charged, couldn't log in, changed my payment method to credit card, got charged, could log in, not sure if I got two months credited, sent an e-mail to billing@blizzard.com with the info, got ignored. Halp pls? |
| 14:53.23 | Lopeppeppy | I have a ton of pictures on my computer that I should upload to her album. But I'd know here anywhere by her yoga poses. |
| 14:53.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, what = ignored? |
| 14:53.42 | Lopeppeppy | They have a 2-3 day turnaround, IIRC. |
| 14:54.01 | AckisWork | this was last week |
| 14:54.27 | Lopeppeppy | Called Accounts and Billing? Or did you email? |
| 14:54.52 | AckisWork | e-mailed |
| 14:55.06 | AckisWork | calling sucks because I get hit when I say the automated phone girl sounds cute |
| 14:55.22 | Lopeppeppy | Then don't be an ass. |
| 14:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | But you should call. |
| 14:55.49 | AckisWork | aye are they open on saturdays? |
| 14:55.50 | Lopeppeppy | Phone Support - 1 (800) 59-BLIZZ (1 (800) 592 5499) |
| 14:55.56 | Lopeppeppy | Live Representatives Available Mon-Fri, 8am to 8pm Pacific Time |
| 14:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, only weekdays |
| 14:56.05 | AckisWork | ah |
| 14:56.09 | AckisWork | hmm and gf can't call for me right/ |
| 14:56.30 | Lopeppeppy | Or All other international players should call: (949) 955-0283. |
| 14:56.36 | Lopeppeppy | And no, only you can call about your account. |
| 14:56.40 | AckisWork | the 800 number works for me |
| 14:57.04 | AckisWork | I should send them in a fax authorizing her to act as my proxy for my account since she owns my balls apparently |
| 14:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | You can't, Ackis... just make the call. *poke* |
| 14:58.16 | Arrowmaster | fax a photocopy of said balls, im sure theyll love that |
| 14:58.52 | Arrowmaster | so will whoever lets you use their copyer |
| 14:59.49 | AckisWork | really? they won't let you add a proxy to your account? how do husband/wife accts work then? |
| 15:00.05 | AckisWork | *side note need to kick gf out of house in about 2 months to avoid going common-law* |
| 15:00.31 | Seerah | AckisWork: you're not supposed to share an account with a spouse |
| 15:00.36 | Seerah | only with one minor child |
| 15:01.01 | Arrowmaster | waits for the husband = minor child joke |
| 15:01.13 | Seerah | hehe |
| 15:02.40 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of couples "share", but it's technically not allowed by Blizz, and so whomever has their name on the account gets to be the one who calls. |
| 15:04.33 | Industrial | Anyone here play Starcraft (1)? |
| 15:04.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes.... |
| 15:04.48 | Arrowmaster | i have |
| 15:05.02 | Arrowmaster | i still have it installed i think |
| 15:05.03 | Fisker- | i play your mom |
| 15:05.08 | Industrial | I cant beat the computer in skirmish :< I need to learn how to play properly |
| 15:05.15 | Arrowmaster | been meaning to actually finish the single player sometime |
| 15:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Industrial: I got a brand new Intel i7, GTX 260, 6GB of RAM, 3TB of hard drive space |
| 15:05.47 | Industrial | first wave im fucked :P 18 marines walsing through my base all yee haw we have twice the technology and my base is a goner |
| 15:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Industrial: and then installed SC1 and started playing the campaign |
| 15:06.46 | Industrial | I can beat the campain (at least im at the part where the protoss join the fight for the first time now) |
| 15:06.46 | Arrowmaster | i tend to play rts games like Yahtzee does |
| 15:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: from what I can tell, not at all? |
| 15:07.20 | Arrowmaster | have you not seen his halo wars review? |
| 15:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Industrial: err, in -any- case (SC or BW), that's not very far in |
| 15:07.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: oh, that's an RTS? wtf? |
| 15:10.19 | Arrowmaster | well he mentions something about amassing a tank force that would put patton to shame and just anilating everything on the map |
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| 15:10.33 | Arrowmaster | i did that once in SC with 24 battlecrusiers |
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| 15:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I once modded SC so that battlecruisers fired volleys of optical flares across the map that blew up like nukes |
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| 15:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botmail for Shirik your RSAPrivateKey implimentation is dirty, dirty, dirty |
| 15:23.01 | zenzelezz | that's why it's private, not public. Duh! |
| 15:23.05 | nicoli_s | dirty how so? |
| 15:23.12 | mikma | ~botmail for shirik you also fail. |
| 15:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't say here, sorry |
| 15:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I will harass him here, though! |
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| 15:27.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I will say that he totally sucked the fun out of extracting his private key, though |
| 15:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs |
| 15:27.37 | mikma | bad bad little badalandabad |
| 15:27.59 | nicoli_s | so how hard is it to obfuscate java so that it can't be decompiled easily? |
| 15:27.59 | zenzelezz | so every day on the way home, the bus passes a shop where they sell bridal gowns. The store is called "Agape". I don't believe they had the English word in mind when they named it, but somehow it sounds dirty |
| 15:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: very very very very hard. Which is why most people just either (1) don't care to or (2) go to extreme lengths to make their class look like garbage |
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| 15:29.26 | nicoli_s | k, also, do you know if minion is going to support using dlls for stuff, as i wouldnt feel comfortable having our auth with curse code be in java |
| 15:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that it is all compiled to the JVM bytecode, which must be read on every platform |
| 15:29.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think any modules will have access to anything outside of Java |
| 15:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And in any case every module declares what resources it wants to access, and you can then allow/reject that module access |
| 15:30.50 | nicoli_s | ahh k |
| 15:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://s.wowinterface.com/storage/newsimages/securitymanager.jpg for reference |
| 15:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, having curse's auth code in java, yes that would likely be required |
| 15:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Talk to Shirik when you see him |
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| 15:33.10 | Arrowmaster | which is why curse is never going to make a module that works for non premium accounts |
| 15:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe, there are ways to make it very hard to figure out |
| 15:33.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus it's full java, I don't believe it is restricted to HTTP |
| 15:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And you can layer TLS (SSL) as you please |
| 15:34.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You /could/ write a very.. 'sophisticated' auth algorithm, not being bound to HTTP |
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| 15:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (Although tbh, I'm not sure if that's the case) |
| 15:35.14 | nicoli_s | well this is def gonna cause some problems to my plan of doing a wowdb module |
| 15:36.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You should probably read up on what is offered, then |
| 15:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23569 |
| 15:37.00 | nicoli_s | i read up on it a little, but didn't realize we wouldnt be allowed to use dlls |
| 15:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm decently sure that Shirik has stuff in place to allow that on a per-module basis if needed |
| 15:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | He has bugged me quite a bit over time in how to set up the proper security certs for a bunch of stuff |
| 15:37.52 | nicoli_s | k well i'll ask him when i see him on |
| 15:38.05 | theorbtwo | Surely lua would make more sense then java...? |
| 15:38.11 | theorbtwo | Rather late for that observation, I know. |
| 15:38.15 | jnwhiteh | i'm not sure how code being in a DLL "fixes" things |
| 15:38.25 | jnwhiteh | theorbtwo: huh. how would lua make more sense here? |
| 15:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | theorbtwo: he's got a lua module plan around |
| 15:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: author accessibility. If you code addons, you could code a simple module to give people the ability to update your own stuff, hosted anywhere, pretty easily |
| 15:39.00 | theorbtwo | jnwhiteh: Because people who write WoW addons can be assumed to know lua, but not java? |
| 15:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | (The obfusication, not much) |
| 15:39.19 | jnwhiteh | but that's not really useful.. |
| 15:39.24 | nicoli_s | jnwhiteh, we already have a dll for doing curse auth, which is why id need dll support |
| 15:39.47 | jnwhiteh | having 50 different modules to update addons would be stupid |
| 15:39.48 | jnwhiteh | nicoli_s: and it couldn't be written in another language? |
| 15:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: I'm decenlty sure that part of the reason only Java is supported now is because of the cross-platform voodoo. A DLL breaks that right proper |
| 15:40.20 | theorbtwo | I thought we were talking about the interface for addons doing things like phoning home with updates to the questhelper database. |
| 15:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, an out of game updater |
| 15:40.40 | nicoli_s | ScytheBlade1. thats is a good point |
| 15:40.44 | zenzelezz | would it be possible to write a "proxy" module in Java that communicated between Minion and the DLL and vice versa? |
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| 15:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Right now I'm running the alpha quite nicely on my 64-bit JVM on my 64-bit linux distro |
| 15:41.08 | jnwhiteh | zenzelezz: how would that work on mac os x? |
| 15:41.16 | jnwhiteh | or liunux |
| 15:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that the DLL would break that instantly |
| 15:41.22 | theorbtwo | Lua is also designed for easy embeddability, which is one of the reasons wow uses it -- you can have C code, and only C code, for doing the auth, and let lua use it but not read it. |
| 15:41.28 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: if that would work, then you could do the DLL-equivalent for those |
| 15:41.31 | jnwhiteh | I'm aware of the reasons for Lua |
| 15:41.39 | zenzelezz | I'm basically just asking if it's possible, not if it's feasible or portable |
| 15:41.55 | jnwhiteh | zenzelezz: not really, no |
| 15:42.25 | jnwhiteh | having Lua be the module language wouldn't really help anything.. |
| 15:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: you mean help the 'zomg they can see my code' aspect, right? |
| 15:45.55 | jnwhiteh | no, I don't really see how it helps at all |
| 15:46.01 | jnwhiteh | but that's fine |
| 15:46.15 | jnwhiteh | I don't think writing modules for minion is something that needs to be accessible to joe addon author |
| 15:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | tbh I got 5 hours of sleep and woke up with the same migraine I had yesterday, I just want to make sure I get what you're saying |
| 15:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ah k |
| 15:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 15:46.43 | jnwhiteh | we don't want lots of modules |
| 15:46.53 | jnwhiteh | or I don't =) |
| 15:47.07 | theorbtwo | Fair point. |
| 15:47.46 | theorbtwo | Anyway, I think you want to use the embeddability options your language choice gives you, rather then write the auth bits in Java. |
| 15:47.55 | theorbtwo | C doesn't have to be nonportable. |
| 15:48.40 | nicoli_s | yes it does! |
| 15:48.48 | nicoli_s | linux wont get my codes! |
| 15:48.57 | Lopeppeppy | stealz da codez! |
| 15:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | chuckles and gets out his vista kernel mode debugger |
| 15:49.16 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 15:49.18 | nicoli_s | i remember when myspace was new and big and had to listen to people refer to html tags as codes |
| 15:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I vaugely remember that |
| 15:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish I didn't tbh |
| 15:49.33 | nicoli_s | which would lead to the discussion "hey can you help me with myspace codes" |
| 15:50.08 | nicoli_s | so i'd always just say "the only myspace code i know is left right left right up down a b start" |
| 15:51.16 | AckisWork | ping adys |
| 15:51.23 | Adys | pong |
| 15:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | you mean <left><right><left><right><up><down><a><b><start> ? |
| 15:51.41 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:52.10 | AckisWork | Adys: I'm getting conflicting reports ingame on the skill level of the mystic tome, one trainer says it requires 110 skill, another trainer says it requires 85 skill... have you had this come up at all in your dbc parsing? |
| 15:52.19 | Adys | wut |
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| 15:52.41 | Adys | what skill level and what item? |
| 15:52.47 | AckisWork | trainer a for mystic tome says it needs skill 85, trainer b says it needs 110 |
| 15:52.48 | Arrowmaster | âââââââââ·â¶ |
| 15:53.04 | nicoli_s | ackiswork, what item id? |
| 15:53.06 | Adys | meh ill check later |
| 15:53.39 | AckisWork | ID: 43515 |
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| 15:59.22 | Grum | Does anyone know if Vezax can target totems/pets with shadowcrash? |
| 16:00.32 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: You're missing another â·â¶ |
| 16:00.42 | Grum | iddqd! idkfa! |
| 16:00.55 | nicoli_s | ackis, theres only one entry for the spell that makes that item in the dbc with skill abilities |
| 16:00.56 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: no im not |
| 16:01.10 | nicoli_s | and it's thew one that says 110\ |
| 16:01.12 | Wobin | unless it's the second contra |
| 16:01.21 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_code |
| 16:01.25 | Wobin | I vaugely recall it didn't have the appended â·â¶ |
| 16:01.55 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: with my ingame dataminer I'm getting some trainers reporting it as 85 however |
| 16:02.14 | nicoli_s | weird, must be a bug on blizz's end, report that shit |
| 16:02.58 | AckisWork | no forum account to report that with |
| 16:03.01 | AckisWork | pompy: ping |
| 16:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | Is there no "bugs" email address? |
| 16:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 16:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | If there was it'd be swamped to the point of uselessness I'd imagine |
| 16:04.17 | nicoli_s | itd be pages of "OMg questhealper no work?!?! how i do teh quest now?" |
| 16:04.21 | Lopeppeppy | I guess... |
| 16:06.17 | Stanzilla | I got whispered at the argent tournament a few days ago |
| 16:06.32 | Stanzilla | someone asking me to explain the quests to him because quest helper does not work |
| 16:06.38 | Stanzilla | >:< |
| 16:07.07 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut has a lot to answer for =P |
| 16:08.40 | Lopeppeppy | You can't blame him for the idiots. |
| 16:08.54 | haste | but you can blame him for making the idiots get further! |
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| 16:09.10 | Osstia | [07:58] <+Lopeppeppy> People are made of stupid and fail, with a side order of asshattery for spice. |
| 16:09.26 | Lopeppeppy | These truths we hold to be self-evident. |
| 16:09.55 | haste | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/86e8f1b22b8f377538734884dd0090d6.jpg - to quote my self in gchat! |
| 16:10.11 | Zootfizzle | Mmm, spice |
| 16:10.16 | Zootfizzle | likes paprika |
| 16:10.25 | Osstia | female Troll ftw |
| 16:10.27 | nicoli_s | that movie was awesome |
| 16:10.34 | nicoli_s | paprika i mean |
| 16:10.35 | haste | paprika? indeed |
| 16:10.44 | haste | I love such animes :3 |
| 16:11.41 | AckisWork | eh do I have to type this all the time for git: git pull git@git.wowace.com:wow/bigwigs-yogg-brain/mainline.git |
| 16:11.48 | Arrowmaster | speaking of animes theres not much on this season.... |
| 16:12.08 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: change pull to clone |
| 16:12.26 | pezi | I sadly haven't watched anime except bleach for a looooo-ooong time. |
| 16:13.18 | Arrowmaster | that finally started to pick back up a little |
| 16:13.31 | pezi | Yeaah |
| 16:13.54 | pezi | When the fillers kick in, I usually just don't watch them for a while, until I know the really large filler periods are over, and then watch them all in one go. :P |
| 16:13.56 | nicoli_s | i can only watch crazy/trippy anime movies anymore, i get bored with series these days |
| 16:14.13 | pezi | I want to watch the new FMA. |
| 16:14.25 | pezi | But I'll wait with that, until I get to my new appartment, and new shiny internett. |
| 16:14.34 | Zootfizzle | OMG |
| 16:14.36 | Zootfizzle | New FMA |
| 16:14.37 | Zootfizzle | So good |
| 16:14.40 | Zootfizzle | You should watch it |
| 16:14.43 | Arrowmaster | its still the same stuff right now just in the correct order |
| 16:14.58 | Zootfizzle | I dunno, eight episodes in and they've finished the first season of the anime |
| 16:14.59 | nicoli_s | FMA and bleach were always too kiddie for me |
| 16:15.34 | Zootfizzle | Like, its plot points were in the first eight episodes of the new series :P |
| 16:15.52 | pezi | Zootfizzle: the new FMA? :P |
| 16:15.54 | Arrowmaster | although ive still noticed differences between the new FMA and the manga, although its mostly been minor location differences and not huge timeline differences like the old FMA |
| 16:15.55 | Zootfizzle | Pezi: Yes |
| 16:16.11 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 16:16.37 | Osstia | --A boss and his secretary who were having an affair saw their romantic tryst interrupted in a wince-inducing manner - after a car crash led her to accidentally bite his penis off. |
| 16:16.39 | pezi | Ohwell, I'll still wait until I've got shiny internett in the new appartment. |
| 16:16.52 | pezi | Gonna haave to live with mobile broadband until we get proper broadband. |
| 16:17.14 | nicoli_s | they could make a great headline from that osstia |
| 16:17.16 | Zootfizzle | Osstia, generally it's polite to enter a conversation before you start talking about... dismemberment |
| 16:17.34 | Arrowmaster | also thats very old |
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| 16:18.00 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 16:18.52 | Legorol | what's FMA? |
| 16:18.54 | Osstia | Sorry Zootfizzle, next time I will break the ice before mentioning the loss of any body parts |
| 16:19.17 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: Fullmetal Alchemist |
| 16:19.21 | Zootfizzle | just wanted to make the pun :P |
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| 16:20.12 | pezi | Bah, I should pack stuff together and get going. Starting to get hungry. And I wanna make my food in the new appartment :D |
| 16:20.34 | Zootfizzle | Yesh! |
| 16:20.40 | Zootfizzle | Come back with bettar intarwebz |
| 16:20.58 | pezi | New broadband takes ... 3-6 weeks! ;__; |
| 16:21.52 | Zootfizzle | Maybe one of your new neighbors will have wireless they'd lend you? |
| 16:22.12 | |pez| | Zootfizzle: Oh, we bought mobile broadband for the waitingtime ;) |
| 16:22.33 | |pez| | Which has unlimited datatransfer the first two months. It's just probably kinda slow. |
| 16:22.34 | Zootfizzle | cheers! |
| 16:22.48 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, 3g modem prolly |
| 16:22.59 | |pez| | Which is why I'm gonna hold off the anime-downloading for a while ;) |
| 16:23.04 | nicoli_s | we get 3g even up on the mountains in my town thank god |
| 16:23.12 | Wobin | I still like that Mike Mignola WoW fan ad... (speaking of FMA) |
| 16:23.34 | |pez| | Mike Mignola? |
| 16:23.42 | Wobin | I think that's his name |
| 16:23.58 | Arrowmaster | i have to get going to a computer security class in a few, and somebody from the college is suppost to be reviewing the class today to do an assessment on the teacher, so we are going to break past every security measure the college network has while in class today |
| 16:24.23 | Legorol | thanks Arrowmaster, i will check it out |
| 16:24.30 | Wobin | nah |
| 16:24.34 | Wobin | Vic Mignogna |
| 16:24.56 | Wobin | Got totally sidetracked with Hellboy |
| 16:27.17 | AckisWork | yay I has yoouuuutube! http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/arl.aspx |
| 16:27.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooohkay |
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| 16:28.28 | nicoli_s | stop stealing our bandwidths with yer vidyas AckisWork |
| 16:28.40 | AckisWork | kekeke |
| 16:28.47 | AckisWork | you support it, imma use it! :D |
| 16:29.59 | Wobin | who did the review? |
| 16:30.44 | AckisWork | no clue, I just had googled arl one day and it came up |
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| 16:32.07 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: that video is really bad :P |
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| 16:32.59 | AckisWork | yup lol |
| 16:33.39 | nevcairiel | wtf ackis even has ads on his project page |
| 16:33.42 | nevcairiel | ~lart AckisWork |
| 16:33.42 | purl | drops a baby grand on AckisWork |
| 16:34.06 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis really wants the whatever-it-will-be-stuff |
| 16:34.07 | AckisWork | hahah |
| 16:34.23 | AckisWork | I'm at maxed points already :P |
| 16:34.29 | AckisWork | I already get the pet by registering |
| 16:34.49 | nevcairiel | I wonder if they validate addresses |
| 16:34.55 | nevcairiel | or if i get it too with my bogus signup |
| 16:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | What is "maxed points" |
| 16:36.09 | AckisWork | 2000 points which you use for I don't know |
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| 16:38.46 | nicoli_s | i think the people with the most points are entered in a raffle to get other shit |
| 16:38.59 | AckisWork | they have draws eventually which you use points |
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| 16:48.38 | Grum | What event should i be monitoring if i want to see when the value from: 'GetRealZoneText' would change? |
| 16:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/ |
| 16:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Scroll down to additional details --> also known as |
| 16:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Grum: ZONE_CHANGED iirc |
| 16:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ZONE_somethingorother |
| 16:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | Wet Paint |
| 16:50.36 | Grum | ScytheBlade1: mm there are a lot of ZONE_* :p |
| 16:50.41 | Grum | ah well i'll steal it from another addon ;) |
| 16:50.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/releaseinfo#akas is probably a better link |
| 16:50.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Grum: indeed |
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| 16:52.17 | Grum | i should prolly use MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED, as it cannot lie (ea user input) |
| 16:53.39 | AckisWork | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2000/12/funny-pictures-cat-plays-with-tinsel.jpg |
| 16:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:56.31 | nicoli_s | my gf always gets a kick out of those icanhazcheeseburger links |
| 16:57.23 | Hjalte | doesn't all girls? ;) |
| 16:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | Um, no. |
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| 17:01.20 | zenzelezz | only awesome girls like peppy understands cheezburgr |
| 17:01.43 | nicoli_s | and my gf, who also likes it and is an awesome girl |
| 17:01.52 | nicoli_s | but thats cuz we is kitty people |
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| 17:06.33 | kd3|hate`net | grr |
| 17:06.46 | Lopeppeppy | Internets being fussy again, kd3? |
| 17:07.14 | kd3 | when is it not? |
| 17:08.01 | AckisWork | likes cute cuddly things |
| 17:08.09 | AckisWork | likes to BBQ them!! OHHHHH HAHHHHHHH EEEHHHH |
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| 17:08.37 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.51 | Lopeppeppy | I am sooooo bored. |
| 17:10.01 | Seerah | dangles a ball of yarn in front of Lopeppeppy |
| 17:10.32 | kd3 | you could organize my music collection for me... I've got something like 3 gigs of stuff I need to get sorted and tagged |
| 17:10.39 | AckisWork | interesting, CM"s like the argent tourney: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17345244484&sid=1 |
| 17:10.47 | AckisWork | I wonder if they're gonna add more dailies there |
| 17:10.49 | durcyn | kd3: musicbrainz.org imnsho |
| 17:11.02 | durcyn | AckisWork: it's already been mentioned for 3.2, pay attention |
| 17:11.12 | kd3 | most of it's already there... just the stuff that's too new and in japanese that isn't on the site yet |
| 17:11.13 | AckisWork | durcyn: mentioned, but not elaborated one |
| 17:11.15 | AckisWork | *on |
| 17:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | I thought they were taking dailies out of pvp areas... wait, that's wintergrasp |
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| 17:21.58 | Fisker- | kisses AckisWork |
| 17:22.08 | dardack | i like the tourny up to 169 seals |
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| 17:22.18 | dardack | glad they added the chance for the money bags to drop seals |
| 17:22.21 | dardack | got 4 since the patch |
| 17:22.28 | Ose | ok, imma go get my explorer title now |
| 17:22.28 | dardack | or tuesday |
| 17:22.32 | dardack | however you look at it |
| 17:22.38 | Ose | any nice addons for exploring? |
| 17:23.03 | Fisker- | where's my damn account merges AckisWork ? |
| 17:23.10 | dardack | just turn off foglight if you use cart so you know where you ahven't been yet |
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| 17:24.54 | Lopeppeppy | I use Urban Achiever to list the areas I haven't explored yet, since it's not always immediately obvious to me where on the map they might be. |
| 17:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | And then the wowwiki achievements page if I can't find the stupid subsection still. :) |
| 17:25.47 | End | screw the reef imo |
| 17:25.56 | Dashkal | weee, JC nerf. |
| 17:26.20 | dardack | JC nerf? |
| 17:26.27 | Dashkal | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17345044964&sid=1 |
| 17:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/future-business-leaders-of-america-indeed/1992 /cry |
| 17:27.41 | dardack | ahh man i use those 41 stam things for yellow sockets |
| 17:27.45 | dardack | that sux monkey |
| 17:27.51 | dardack | hp nerf |
| 17:28.28 | Seerah | hehe http://www.thinkgeek.com/clearance/on-sale/9be6/ |
| 17:28.31 | NightHawkTheSane | its more or less a nerf to everyone. the prismatic quality of the gems was the big selling point. |
| 17:28.37 | NightHawkTheSane | which, i imagine, was precisely the reason they did it |
| 17:28.58 | Lopeppeppy | adores utilikilts |
| 17:29.00 | NightHawkTheSane | .. i dont think i'm man enough yet for a kilt |
| 17:29.23 | dardack | of course that was the selling point, it's why as a dk tank i went jc |
| 17:29.46 | NightHawkTheSane | and why i dropped skinning for JC, but again, thats the point. it was too good. |
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| 17:31.09 | dardack | why is it too good? isn't the +<w/e> over reg gems in line with the ap to bracers, ring enchants, extra gem slots, etc? |
| 17:31.40 | NightHawkTheSane | the +stats you get from the dragons eye's alone is in line with the perks from other professions |
| 17:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | the prismatic quality is above & beyond that |
| 17:32.21 | dardack | are they giving us new patterns with the bump with epic gems? |
| 17:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i've seen, but the only epic gems are the unique equipped stormjewels, yes? |
| 17:34.06 | dardack | then give us 4 instead of 3, heh i don't know just kinda sux |
| 17:34.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it sucks because it's a nerf, but that's not to say it isn't fair. |
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| 17:36.10 | dardack | well don't other professions have like a specialization that give them added benefits? |
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| 17:36.26 | Adys | "Was it the license that was preventing a downloadable dump of Wikipedia from being distributed on an iPhone? " |
| 17:36.27 | Adys | Slashdot |
| 17:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | dardack: no |
| 17:36.58 | dardack | yea like mixology extends the length of flasks right? |
| 17:37.01 | KarlKFI | why the fuck would you distribute wikipedia on a device that's always internet connected... |
| 17:37.20 | KarlKFI | scuse the french |
| 17:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yeah, every profession has a perk |
| 17:37.20 | dardack | and don't LW have the leg enchants for mad cheap? |
| 17:37.23 | dardack | well that was our perk |
| 17:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | no.. your perk is the dragons eyes |
| 17:37.49 | dardack | no that's the ap ecnhants the ecnhatn to rings etc. |
| 17:37.49 | NightHawkTheSane | not no-work access to socket bonuses and meta gems |
| 17:38.03 | Dashkal | All profs have one perk or another. Even engy (though the glove/belt chants are considered to be worthless, it is their perk) |
| 17:38.15 | NightHawkTheSane | the "cheap" leg enchants aren't a stat bonus. they don't give you something someone else CANT get |
| 17:38.30 | NightHawkTheSane | the prismatic qualities did |
| 17:38.34 | dardack | i guess |
| 17:38.35 | KarlKFI | dissenchanting is their perk |
| 17:38.38 | Osstia | They did release a cloak enchant for engineers that is getting closer to a perk thatn we've ever seen |
| 17:39.03 | Osstia | LW's get a bracer enchant that does give them extra bonuses do they not? |
| 17:39.11 | dardack | i don't think it's 100% fair, not saying it's fair as is, but i think it drops it below fair |
| 17:39.43 | KarlKFI | enchanting, the only one that lets you convert instances into gold |
| 17:40.03 | Dashkal | LW - Bracer, Enchant - Rings, Engy Gloves/Belt/Cloak, BS - Sockets, JC - Epic Gems, Tailoring - Cloak, Herb - Self heal, Mining - Stamina, Skinning - Crit |
| 17:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | I like the line from Labyrinth, when the Goblin King is talking about fair... "Fair? I do wonder what your basis for comparison is." |
| 17:40.23 | Adys | About chrome and firefox: "Not ditching it before it also has NoScript. I seriously couldn't care less about JavaScript performance, I donot want applications in my browser." |
| 17:40.25 | End | whuty |
| 17:40.26 | End | whut |
| 17:40.33 | End | did they make sprite darter a drop? |
| 17:40.36 | End | horde can get it? |
| 17:40.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: as always, the basis for comparison by 99% of wow players i "wah wah, it's bad for me, so its not fair" :P |
| 17:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yes |
| 17:40.49 | Dashkal | NoScript... That piece of code lost all credibility when it started messing with ABP |
| 17:40.54 | End | cool |
| 17:40.57 | Adys | Slashdot, where you can find 'tards who call themselves "nerds" and are busy reading plaintext content through their browser |
| 17:41.09 | NightHawkTheSane | End: 3.1 i believe? or 3.0.9 or something. It drops off the actual darters, so alliance still has to quest for it |
| 17:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | but the quest chain is still faster than farming it |
| 17:41.25 | End | 3.1 |
| 17:41.29 | End | but I'm horde |
| 17:41.31 | NightHawkTheSane | sure |
| 17:41.40 | NightHawkTheSane | so am i |
| 17:42.01 | End | why, are you saying it be faster to level a character from 1 to 40 or whatever and send the egg across the AH? ;-) |
| 17:42.11 | Lopeppeppy | Can eggs go across the AH? |
| 17:42.13 | NightHawkTheSane | er, no.. :P |
| 17:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i just meant that the fact that it drops isn't somehow unfair to alliance :) |
| 17:42.29 | End | oh, right |
| 17:42.31 | End | :P |
| 17:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe their bop, actually |
| 17:42.37 | End | and I dunno if they made it BoE or not |
| 17:42.54 | End | awww, you guys are right, it's BoP |
| 17:43.02 | Lopeppeppy | Plenty of alliance QQd when it was made a drop, "But now it's not unique!" |
| 17:43.05 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=11474 |
| 17:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | More of the "unique" and "best" qq. |
| 17:43.27 | End | anyhow |
| 17:43.39 | Dashkal | Whaaaa, that was my identity in that one little non-combat pet I probably hadn't summoned in months! |
| 17:43.40 | End | it's not like horde have any unique pets, do we? |
| 17:43.51 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i'm aware |
| 17:44.35 | Adys | "I'm not sure I buy into "usage tracking is an invasion of privacy" mantra. It seems to me this is a modern day "taking your photograph will steal your soul" sort of superstition. Is the internet not a public place? I'm not sure what kind of privacy people expect while using it." |
| 17:44.37 | Adys | hahah |
| 17:45.26 | tekkub | I don't get how usage == privacy |
| 17:45.42 | tekkub | my personal information.. name addy SSN blah blah blah is private |
| 17:45.47 | Industrial | pull a sheet over your head and walk around |
| 17:45.50 | Adys | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1241317&cid=28046267 |
| 17:45.54 | Industrial | try and see how many people can guess who you really are |
| 17:45.58 | Industrial | its that kind of provacy. |
| 17:46.04 | Industrial | privacy* |
| 17:46.10 | tekkub | indie |
| 17:46.18 | tekkub | I think tha'ts the smartest thing you've ever said |
| 17:46.20 | Industrial | tekkie |
| 17:46.28 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 17:46.36 | kd3 | oh wow. geez. |
| 17:46.54 | kd3 | astronauts on the shuttle are bitching that their windows laptop isn't letting them play DVDs |
| 17:47.02 | End | lol |
| 17:47.03 | kd3 | turns up nasa tv |
| 17:47.08 | Dagmar | Adys: These are people who don't shop online saying this noise |
| 17:47.24 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: should have brought a mac/*nix? </snark> ;) |
| 17:47.41 | Dagmar | Spend a few days looking for electronic parts and then see every banner ad on 95% of the sites you go to changing to show you various electronic parts related to what you were searching for |
| 17:47.43 | Lopeppeppy | Packin' up my toys to go camping for the weekend. Y'all stay good! |
| 17:47.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yay camping! |
| 17:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | have fun :) |
| 17:47.55 | Dagmar | ...then it becomes obvious there's a problem with unrestricted tracking |
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| 17:48.15 | dardack | sigh stupid pugs |
| 17:48.46 | tekkub | "toys" |
| 17:49.00 | Adys | bunch of assholes complaining |
| 17:49.11 | Adys | wah wah wah wah google doesnt do any effort to dev the linux version wah wah |
| 17:49.15 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: was thinking it, wasn't going to say it though :) |
| 17:49.19 | Adys | running it right now it looks great |
| 17:49.57 | Dagmar | Adys: The sad thing is that those same people will be notably silent when Google *does* release the source, and it compiles without error, on multiple major revisions of GCC |
| 17:50.16 | Adys | gmail is STUPIDLY fast on chrome2 |
| 17:50.24 | ArrowmasterClass | kd3: somebody forgot windows doesnt come with the ability to play dvds in WMP? |
| 17:50.30 | Adys | when I say stupidly I really mean stupidly |
| 17:50.35 | tekkub | etb extensions already :P |
| 17:50.36 | kd3 | arrow; sounds like it |
| 17:50.44 | tekkub | s/e/w/ |
| 17:50.48 | Adys | theres partial support already |
| 17:50.54 | Adys | otherwise theres userjs support |
| 17:50.56 | Industrial | adblock |
| 17:50.58 | tekkub | I wouldn't call it partial |
| 17:51.11 | Industrial | I've got the adblock thingy working |
| 17:51.12 | tekkub | and userscripts are at the same level |
| 17:51.13 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Technically, it doesn't |
| 17:51.15 | Adys | Industrial: http://adsweep.org/ |
| 17:51.18 | Industrial | yes |
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| 17:51.22 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: i know |
| 17:51.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Like a TiVO, the first pass you make through WindowsUpdate will install a patch that makes it work tho'. |
| 17:51.42 | dardack | so y'all like chrome? |
| 17:51.46 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: since win? |
| 17:51.56 | Dagmar | Since hte last time I installed XP |
| 17:51.56 | kd3 | dunno how feasibly they can run windows update from 300 miles up |
| 17:52.16 | Dagmar | It just mysteriously started working for me after WU |
| 17:52.24 | Adys | meh |
| 17:52.29 | tekkub | they *must* have a way to send files |
| 17:52.41 | tekkub | they could send teh standalone installers |
| 17:52.43 | Dagmar | dardack: Window decoration aesthetic issues asside, it works as well as people say. It's fast as hell. |
| 17:52.51 | Adys | dardack: its great |
| 17:53.02 | Adys | Im waiting for plugin support on linux version |
| 17:53.05 | Dagmar | It IS annoying that it installs a silent updater that runs in the background without telling you much about it tho |
| 17:53.06 | Adys | and then switching fully |
| 17:53.08 | dardack | oh there is linux? |
| 17:53.49 | tekkub | the only "plugins" you really need are adblock and greasemonkey |
| 17:53.56 | Dagmar | Firebug |
| 17:53.59 | Dagmar | \:) |
| 17:54.01 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: what version of WMP? |
| 17:54.01 | tekkub | everything else is usually just wasting resources |
| 17:54.11 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Literally "Whatever it installed" |
| 17:54.13 | tekkub | don't need firebug on chrome |
| 17:54.29 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: so wmp might have been upgraded to something other than 9 |
| 17:54.37 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Oh definitelyy |
| 17:54.41 | dardack | sigh assist the tank |
| 17:55.12 | Dagmar | tekkub: Okay then I'd like a plugin that makes GuildPortal stop changing their layout ids around |
| 17:55.12 | End | hm |
| 17:55.28 | End | yeah, it does seem to have a decent firebug imitator builtin |
| 17:55.39 | tekkub | guildportal? may I lol now? |
| 17:55.49 | Dagmar | Firebug is the only thing that made dealing with that place's templates reasonable |
| 17:55.54 | ArrowmasterClass | my home xp still has wmp9, and whenever it opens it still asks the default stuff from first run |
| 17:56.08 | End | you and I must use firebug for entirely different things |
| 17:56.18 | Dagmar | I figure Google can come up with something that will stop them breaking my layouts which ara fragile because I had to work around so much weird parent->child stuff |
| 17:56.39 | tekkub | sounds like you just need to use a better site |
| 17:56.40 | dardack | so do they have flaskblock/adblock? |
| 17:56.55 | tekkub | don't need flashblock, just turn flash off :) |
| 17:57.14 | dardack | but i want flash on for certain sites |
| 17:57.38 | tekkub | so load IE/FF for them, cause if you want flash you obviously don't care about performance |
| 17:57.53 | dardack | hulu? |
| 17:58.03 | tekkub | bittorrent |
| 17:58.09 | dardack | don't like to steal |
| 17:58.30 | tekkub | then send $0.05 to the studio for each show you "borrow" |
| 17:58.44 | Dagmar | tekkub: I'm actually about to sign up for a virtual host on dreamhost and rebuild everything there |
| 17:58.54 | dardack | if it was legal to do that i would |
| 17:59.10 | Dagmar | It'll be a pain in the ass to replicate all that stuff, but it'll be better than watching my layouts degrade more and more with each change they make to their templates |
| 17:59.23 | Dagmar | I'm tempted to tell them such in an email |
| 17:59.28 | ArrowmasterClass | why dreamhost? |
| 17:59.50 | tekkub | $$$ I'd assume |
| 17:59.54 | Dagmar | "If you would quit doing weird crap like assigning parent and child elements the same style/class ids, I'd be giving YOU my money instead of Dreamhost." |
| 18:00.09 | Dagmar | Dreamhost is stupidly cheap |
| 18:00.15 | ArrowmasterClass | cheaper than linode? |
| 18:00.19 | tekkub | "l2css" would be simpler |
| 18:00.21 | Dagmar | They're not the most reliable place in the world, but six bucks a month works |
| 18:00.30 | tekkub | and in slang they'd understand |
| 18:00.39 | Dagmar | 50Gb storage should damn well be enough for guild screenshots |
| 18:01.04 | tekkub | pfft, filckr/picasa web for pics |
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| 18:01.26 | Dagmar | ...and by "not realiable" I mean they've been down inexplicably for about 6-8 hours 2-3 times a year the last three years Dropline's been on there |
| 18:01.35 | Dagmar | It's not a serious amount of downtime |
| 18:01.54 | dardack | ok i thought someone said there was a chrome for linux? |
| 18:02.15 | Pharaunmizz | named Opera? :P |
| 18:02.38 | Dagmar | You can keep your zealotry |
| 18:03.06 | Pharaunmizz | Ok seroiusly though, dardack do you mean natively or through WINE/etc? |
| 18:03.15 | dardack | natively |
| 18:03.37 | Pharaunmizz | haven't heard of a fix, no ._. |
| 18:03.40 | dardack | don't get me wrong wine is nice for wow/vent but anything that can run natively i would like to |
| 18:04.32 | Pharaunmizz | True :D |
| 18:04.35 | dardack | i'll stick with FF then till it comes to linux |
| 18:04.43 | Pharaunmizz | You could try Opera... |
| 18:04.48 | dardack | i did test it on my work machine and did like parts of it |
| 18:05.22 | dardack | i'm not against apple persay i just try to stay away from their stuff since they seem to like to lock me into stuff |
| 18:06.14 | Pharaunmizz | o.O? |
| 18:06.27 | Adys | dardack: chromium does run on linux yes |
| 18:06.29 | Pharaunmizz | you mean safari? |
| 18:06.32 | Adys | natively |
| 18:06.39 | Adys | but its still in alpha stage and lacks features |
| 18:06.47 | dardack | Adys: i thought chromium dind' thave a linux port yet? |
| 18:06.52 | Adys | it does |
| 18:06.53 | dardack | ahh |
| 18:07.02 | Adys | https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa |
| 18:07.13 | Adys | get that one and enjoy |
| 18:07.48 | dardack | i think i'll test it out, cant' wait till google adds plugin support |
| 18:07.53 | Dagmar | What's PPA stand for? |
| 18:08.26 | Dagmar | Nevermind, got it |
| 18:08.58 | Adys | personal package archive |
| 18:08.58 | dardack | Philadelphia Parking Authority |
| 18:09.00 | Adys | also wow |
| 18:09.02 | dardack | pokers players alliance |
| 18:09.07 | dardack | Professional Photographers of America |
| 18:09.12 | dardack | Partnership for Prescription Assistance |
| 18:09.15 | Adys | " Even the original releases of Netscape were cross-platform, chrome only runs on windows" |
| 18:09.18 | dardack | Promotional Products Association |
| 18:09.19 | Adys | wow. |
| 18:09.21 | Adys | just wow |
| 18:09.31 | foxlit | Hey, Adys, moderation exists for a reason. |
| 18:09.33 | dardack | where that quote from? |
| 18:09.38 | foxlit | Don't repeat stupid stuff <3 |
| 18:09.44 | Adys | the internet, dardack |
| 18:09.59 | Adys | the place where idiots grow faster than industrial grass |
| 18:10.04 | dardack | true |
| 18:10.56 | dardack | wish picasa would be natively ported but it works ok in linux |
| 18:10.57 | Adys | be really honest i rather have companies port stuff using wine |
| 18:11.11 | dardack | than none at all? |
| 18:11.17 | Adys | than porting natively |
| 18:11.27 | dardack | reason? |
| 18:11.37 | Adys | instead of making their one own software work, a lot of software benefit from wine development |
| 18:12.01 | dardack | nod |
| 18:12.20 | Adys | also look at the failure teamspeak is |
| 18:12.25 | Adys | matter of fact |
| 18:12.28 | Adys | firefox too. |
| 18:12.39 | Adys | both are much greater under wine than native |
| 18:13.40 | KarlKFI | MY BLOOD! HE PUNCHED OUT ALL MY BLOOD! |
| 18:13.54 | Dagmar | Dunnoa bout that |
| 18:13.54 | Adys | sucks to be you |
| 18:14.01 | Dagmar | We've got a TS server here at the office. |
| 18:14.11 | Dagmar | It's stubbornly refused to crash for a long time now |
| 18:14.11 | Adys | did you try native ts? |
| 18:14.18 | Adys | im talking about the client |
| 18:14.37 | Dagmar | Well, if there were games that ran natively under Linux that needed voice chat that I *played* maybe |
| 18:14.44 | Adys | running wine on servers is a bit of a sick idea |
| 18:14.49 | Dagmar | I only ran the native TS client for about 10 minutes screwing around with it |
| 18:15.10 | Dagmar | Frankly under Linux I'd rather just use an Ekiga plugin of some kind |
| 18:16.49 | ArrowmasterClass | or mumble |
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| 18:19.50 | Silversage | Mmm. Crit vs haste for SV hunter? |
| 18:19.58 | Dashkal | I'm kind of surprised Vent hasn't been (publicly) reverse engineered yet. Lawyers or apathy? |
| 18:20.16 | Dagmar | Probably VOIP patents |
| 18:20.25 | Dagmar | ...although engineering any kind of streaming audio is a bitch |
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| 18:20.44 | Dagmar | Doesn't really matter what you do anymore... some a**hole has patented it |
| 18:20.53 | Dagmar | Microsoft has applied for a patent on a f**king magic wand |
| 18:21.11 | Dashkal | Well, it's been out long enough that anybody sufficiently motivated could have managed a RE by now (assuming they weren't immediately beaten to death by briefcases) |
| 18:21.22 | KarlKFI | Swish and FLick |
| 18:21.47 | Dagmar | I want to send a protest letter to the patent office with a copy of a dozen medieval fantasy books attached labeled "Prior Art" |
| 18:22.09 | KarlKFI | YOU CALL THAT BREAKING MY SPINE!? YOU RED TEAM LADIES COULDN"T BREAK A SPI.... OW!! MY SPINE! |
| 18:22.15 | Dashkal | I'm still hoping that the IP economy crashes and burns |
| 18:22.26 | Dashkal | But *sigh* just dreaming there |
| 18:22.29 | Dagmar | I would rather just the IP-economy-centric firms up and die |
| 18:22.58 | Dagmar | It's INCREDIBLY annoying that literally anything you could do, some law firm has bought a patent on it and will sue you |
| 18:23.07 | Dashkal | I'd be a happy camper indeed if the imaginary property concept went poof. Sadly, the *IAAs of the world would probably go to arms first. |
| 18:23.45 | tekkub | http://17.media.tumblr.com/gC7Usffu3nsod2udY7azJY6fo1_500.jpg |
| 18:24.29 | Dashkal | KarlKFI: loved that one |
| 18:25.15 | KarlKFI | can't wait to go home and plug in his X25-M |
| 18:26.55 | Adys | http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2008/08/if-you-are-stolen.jpg |
| 18:27.03 | Dashkal | I'm kind of sad Re TF2. It's missing something from old TF. Or maybe I just outgrew it. It never caught on nearly as well for me as the old TF. |
| 18:27.27 | KarlKFI | i dont play it i just liek the commercials |
| 18:27.31 | KarlKFI | they're clever |
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| 18:27.46 | Dashkal | Did they ever release a proper SDK for it (that lets you build on the code, not just the levels)? |
| 18:27.56 | Dashkal | I want CustomTF in the TF2 engine :p |
| 18:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: sure, just fork over a couple grand and have at it |
| 18:28.03 | Dagmar | If I thought it's animations were half as well-planned out as the advertisements, I'd be all over that game. |
| 18:28.26 | Dashkal | meh, that's probably part of what killed my interest. No mods for it |
| 18:28.41 | Dashkal | I played custom variants. Very rarely did I play vanilla TF |
| 18:29.15 | KarlKFI | haha, my parner isn't here, time for some more chainsaw refactoring! |
| 18:29.35 | KarlKFI | *VROOOM CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA* |
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| 18:30.19 | Dashkal | I did see mention in the blogs that some servers play custom rules. It suggested that such an SDK exists, but I haven't seen much (I don't have or want visual studio, so I never looked very hard) |
| 18:30.21 | KarlKFI | cackles maniacally! |
| 18:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Speaking of TF2 |
| 18:31.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have a clue how to take a server /out/ of the master browser list? |
| 18:31.40 | Adys | kick it in the nuts |
| 18:31.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I've debated it |
| 18:32.01 | Adys | http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2008/08/please-do-not-annoy.jpg |
| 18:32.09 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: If you find a way, PLEASE let me know. I hate having my gmod server on that list |
| 18:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I removed all of the master browsers, but it's still there |
| 18:32.34 | Dashkal | I don't just want it locked (password), I want the damn thing out of sight/out of mind |
| 18:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 18:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah same |
| 18:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | THe L4D server I have is great, the steam group functionality is perfect |
| 18:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly, TF2 lacks that |
| 18:33.10 | Dashkal | garry's mod is an unmitigated pain in the ass to get working dedicated. |
| 18:33.15 | Sixen | hai |
| 18:33.18 | Sixen | I libe |
| 18:33.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I believe that, but don't have it |
| 18:33.27 | Sixen | s/ libe live |
| 18:33.27 | Dashkal | Hey there, Sixen. WB |
| 18:33.29 | Sixen | [= |
| 18:33.44 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: in short, it's not officially supported. Very little help from Garry. |
| 18:34.07 | Dashkal | Some enterprising people figured out how to make it work, and he tries not to break it. About all we get. |
| 18:34.22 | nicoli_s | i wish gary's mod worked with ;4d |
| 18:34.25 | nicoli_s | l4d* |
| 18:34.33 | Dashkal | nicoli_s: They did add model support |
| 18:34.46 | Dashkal | I Remember seeing that on the blog awhile back |
| 18:34.47 | nicoli_s | yah, they have a whole sdk now |
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| 18:35.07 | Dashkal | Garry's one of those devs who doesn't write anything he won't use himself *sigh*. I expect better of a paid product. |
| 18:35.15 | nicoli_s | ive actually been playing killing floor lately, similar to left 4 dead |
| 18:35.24 | nicoli_s | gary's mod is a paid mod? |
| 18:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 18:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Cheap, but paid |
| 18:35.32 | Dashkal | (Above statement may be unfair, but that's what I've seen) |
| 18:35.46 | Dashkal | 10 bucks, one time, non-subscription. Impulse buy that's well been worth it for me. |
| 18:35.57 | Dashkal | Wiremod is <3 |
| 18:36.04 | Dashkal | (Wiremod being an addon to gmod) |
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| 18:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I got it, but it's temporary |
| 18:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | rcon setmaster; rcon setmaster remove <IP:port that was listed> |
| 18:42.08 | Dashkal | hrm, wonder if I can manage that with a little lua in gmod |
| 18:42.29 | Dashkal | If I can, it'll be well worth the effort. I can finally end the hammering of my server by bored script kiddies |
| 18:43.42 | Dashkal | Still, that trick only pulls you off the list, what I really want is to never get onto it. |
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| 18:47.29 | ArrowmasterClass | might be a way to set it to lan mode |
| 18:47.52 | ArrowmasterClass | that used to work good in pre steam days with CS 1.5 |
| 18:47.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lan mode tweaks other stuff too, namely, optimizes the connections for.. LAN play! |
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| 18:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Not something I really want to set |
| 18:48.12 | Dashkal | lan mode blocks connections outside of your class C |
| 18:48.37 | Dashkal | Defeats the point when I want to play with guildies :S |
| 18:48.58 | ArrowmasterClass | trying to remember what all i did when i used to run a CS 1.5 server on our classroom computers |
| 18:49.32 | Dagmar | Got beat up by girls? |
| 18:49.36 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 18:49.46 | Dashkal | heh, when I did that, we left the server public and ganged up on any random that dared join the server |
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| 18:56.44 | ArrowmasterClas1 | gah finally |
| 18:56.47 | Adys | Chrome remembers up to the second exactly when the software was installed. |
| 18:56.47 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.57 | Adys | That's such a privacy breach |
| 18:57.02 | Adys | we should all get together and sue google |
| 18:57.57 | zenzelezz | does Chrome still force the GoogleUpdater to run in the background all the time? |
| 18:58.06 | Dashkal | wtf? http://failblog.org/2009/05/22/security-fail-5/ |
| 18:58.28 | ArrowmasterClass | it sucks when you dont have access to reset your own arp tables |
| 18:58.30 | nicoli_s | what's weird about that |
| 18:58.39 | ArrowmasterClass | well it sucks when somebody is arp poisoning |
| 18:58.46 | Dashkal | nicoli_s: look closely at that gate. It has a lock |
| 18:58.52 | nicoli_s | if you can only afforf a fancy security door, you might as well buy it and wait till you can buy the rest |
| 18:59.14 | Dashkal | or, you know, just save the cash until you can get something useful |
| 19:00.48 | nicoli_s | are you saying an expensive security door that you can simply walk around isnt useful? how dare you |
| 19:00.58 | Dashkal | dares |
| 19:01.03 | zenzelezz | didn't you guys ever hear about security through obscurity? |
| 19:01.13 | Adys | yes zenzelezz |
| 19:01.50 | Adys | and not letting GUpdater run in the background would be a security hole |
| 19:03.20 | zenzelezz | I don't approve of automatic updates. Automatic checks for (and notifications about) updates is more to my taste |
| 19:04.15 | Adys | Users dont know how to click |
| 19:04.40 | Adys | most people still running IE6 are doing so because they cant figure out the big yellow icon in the taskbar, what it's here for, and why it says "Updates are ready to download" |
| 19:05.00 | zenzelezz | I'm not arguing about how useful it is to any/every other living being, I'm talking about my own personal opinion |
| 19:05.35 | Adys | it's my opinion too, I just don't agree with it |
| 19:05.38 | ArrowmasterClass | pff i told it to ignore that ie7 update so it doesnt bug me |
| 19:05.41 | zenzelezz | if there was an option to disable the automatic download, like with Windows Update, I'd have no problem with it |
| 19:05.49 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 19:06.43 | Dashkal | Let those of us who are smart enough to decide if/when to upgrade do so. |
| 19:06.55 | Dashkal | Leave the default sheeple friendly |
| 19:07.37 | Adys | "those of you" are smart enough to get a forked version that doesnt contain gupdater.exe, or kills it automatically or some other shit like that |
| 19:07.50 | Dashkal | I'm smart enough, but too lazy for that. |
| 19:07.56 | Adys | automatic updating without any sort of prompting is a feature |
| 19:08.02 | Adys | security feature |
| 19:08.08 | Dashkal | Once Firefox private browsing is available, chrome is dead. |
| 19:08.15 | Adys | course |
| 19:08.25 | Dagmar | Doubt it |
| 19:08.35 | Dashkal | (dead for me) Incognito is the only reason I keep chrome around. |
| 19:08.47 | Adys | you got ff addons for that |
| 19:09.14 | Adys | im still running ff3.5 and every time i open gmail i shed a tear |
| 19:09.27 | Dashkal | To put it bluntly, I don't trust Google. I'm not happy about having to run whatever they push the moment the push it. |
| 19:09.35 | zenzelezz | those who think what we saw with IE/Netscape was a browser war will have an interesting time in the coming years |
| 19:09.40 | ArrowmasterClass | i just open a different instance of ff thats using a different profile |
| 19:10.16 | Dashkal | I really do hope that Firefox moves in the direction of chrome in that each tab gets its own process. Dunno if they'll do that. |
| 19:10.21 | Adys | they wont |
| 19:10.29 | Dashkal | See the future, you do? |
| 19:10.29 | Adys | their codebase is huge, bloated, ugly, old |
| 19:10.41 | Dashkal | Ahh, prejudgemental. Nevermind |
| 19:10.44 | Adys | yeah i do, you're gonna need a complete rewrite to get that kind of shit going |
| 19:10.56 | ArrowmasterClass | they want to do it but yeah its a far away goal |
| 19:10.59 | Adys | you don't just change core mechanisms of 15-year old code |
| 19:11.28 | Dashkal | ArrowmasterClass: Far away goal is fine. It's something I hope they move towards is all. |
| 19:11.33 | Dashkal | Private Browsing is the only must-have for me. |
| 19:11.42 | Dagmar | Usually code that old you throw out |
| 19:11.52 | AckisWork | what's private browsing? |
| 19:11.58 | Adys | porn mode |
| 19:12.05 | AckisWork | ah |
| 19:12.19 | ArrowmasterClass | seriously just make a 2nd profile in FF |
| 19:12.20 | Dagmar | Because gods forbid the porn sites know you browse porn sites |
| 19:12.21 | Dashkal | Basically turns off all local logging |
| 19:12.38 | Adys | so to you, having something a project is "moving towards" is fine, let alone the fact odds are either you or the project will be dead by the time the feature makes it in |
| 19:12.39 | Dagmar | They might show you porn-related ad-banners while you're looking at porn |
| 19:12.46 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: its more about the porn showing up in the awesome bar |
| 19:12.50 | Dashkal | Dagmar: More like god forbid the kids find that kind of crap in the history. That kind of thing |
| 19:13.07 | zenzelezz | or your wife |
| 19:13.10 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster's suggestion works fine for now, but I still want the feature itself. |
| 19:13.11 | Dagmar | Dashkal: You can, of course, just tell FF to automatically delete private info when you exitt |
| 19:13.15 | Adys | and yeah i hit csd every 20 min or something |
| 19:13.17 | Dashkal | Dagmar: I do |
| 19:13.39 | zenzelezz | the "awesome bar" is still my only real gripe with Firefox |
| 19:13.50 | Dashkal | But I don't always want that. Normal browsing I do want showing up in history and such so I can find that cool website I forgot to bookmark last night. |
| 19:13.50 | Dagmar | "awesome bar"? |
| 19:13.59 | ArrowmasterClass | i always have FF set to only keep cookies per session anyway, and i allow sites to create persisant cookies as i need them |
| 19:14.06 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: the address bar as it became in FF... 3? I think it was |
| 19:14.09 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: the FF3 location bar |
| 19:14.28 | Dashkal | The new address bar tries to do too much. Search, history, bookmark lookup, etc. Much more than urls now. |
| 19:14.40 | zenzelezz | exactly |
| 19:14.53 | Adys | i think its fine |
| 19:14.56 | Adys | you get used to it |
| 19:15.04 | zenzelezz | I'm used to it, but I still hate it |
| 19:15.25 | Adys | when you open a command prompt, do you complain about having to type everything in the same loc? |
| 19:15.31 | Dashkal | Agreed. Too many times it's suggested the wrong website and brought it up when I wasn't paying enough attention |
| 19:15.54 | zenzelezz | Adys: I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean by that comparison |
| 19:16.20 | Dashkal | Adys: the command line makes you specify exactly what kind of thing you want to do before you do it. The "awesome bar" tries to guess |
| 19:16.52 | Adys | you're talking about ff's or chrome's? |
| 19:17.07 | Dashkal | firefox. chrome's is a bit better behaved. |
| 19:17.14 | Adys | ah ok |
| 19:17.22 | Adys | thought you meant chrome's |
| 19:17.27 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 19:17.45 | zenzelezz | then I won't argue with you |
| 19:17.50 | Dashkal | I'd still like a preference page for the bar that lets you configure what it uses as it's data source (url, history, bookmarks, etc) |
| 19:18.02 | Adys | theres about:config stuff |
| 19:18.08 | Dashkal | shudder |
| 19:18.17 | Dashkal | about:config is a deathtrap if you don't know exactly what you want to change |
| 19:18.19 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah but theres no config options even in about:config |
| 19:18.21 | zenzelezz | Adys: yes, but it doesn't let you return it to the "stupid" 2.0 bar |
| 19:18.27 | Adys | it does |
| 19:18.29 | zenzelezz | no |
| 19:18.32 | Adys | it does |
| 19:18.34 | zenzelezz | you can adjust many aspects, but not all |
| 19:18.37 | Adys | we already discussed this |
| 19:18.41 | Dashkal | Also, there's always coding an addon myself, but I don't know js so that's not a simple option |
| 19:18.43 | Adys | in february |
| 19:18.51 | ArrowmasterClass | personally i would like to use the tags feature of the bookmarks and set certain tags to not show up in the bar |
| 19:19.02 | zenzelezz | yes, and every time we discuss it, googling ensues, and we reach the same stalemate |
| 19:19.15 | Adys | i won the argument last time, and there was no second time |
| 19:19.29 | Adys | (i remember my arguments.) |
| 19:19.35 | ArrowmasterClass | well class is over, ive gota go |
| 19:19.39 | zenzelezz | I've discussed this with many people many times, and I've never seen anyone prove to me how to get a 100% FF2-style stupid bar |
| 19:19.42 | Adys | see ya arr |
| 19:20.11 | zenzelezz | they all point to config options that limit "rich results", which isn't the same |
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| 19:20.22 | Adys | zenzelezz: change style back to old bar, set bookmarks/tags/.. coefficient to 0 and set history to 10 |
| 19:20.32 | Adys | thats all there is to it |
| 19:21.52 | Dashkal | shudders |
| 19:21.56 | Dashkal | gimme a preference tab |
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| 19:33.30 | kd3 | hm... they've announced that 3.2.0 exists |
| 19:33.42 | Adys | a few months back |
| 19:34.07 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.2.0 |
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| 19:34.34 | Adys | by the way which function lets me know which flight I'm currently at? |
| 19:34.44 | Adys | on the flight map |
| 19:35.17 | durcyn | !api TaxiNodeGetType |
| 19:35.18 | lua_bot | TaxiNodeGetType: Returns the type of the Taxi Node slot requested. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/TaxiNodeGetType) |
| 19:35.23 | Adys | cheers |
| 19:35.36 | durcyn | not sure that's really useful, though |
| 19:36.36 | durcyn | ah, here we go. on TAXIMAP_OPENED, for i = 1, NumTaxiNodes() do name = TaxiNodeName(i) end |
| 19:38.01 | Dashkal | Darwin, where are you when you're needed? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2-od4n5Xl0&feature=player_embedded |
| 19:39.36 | durcyn | Adys: the GetType should return "CURRENT" for the index of where you're at, assuming the map's open |
| 19:39.52 | Adys | yep thanks |
| 19:46.43 | Dashkal | hmm, wonder if I could manage to make a railgun in garry's mod... |
| 19:56.44 | Thunder_Child | ok, this is would be interesting |
| 19:56.46 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5265626/hey-its-another-gamer-trailer |
| 20:04.54 | Osstia | I just got an e-mail from the vendor that we purchased some software from: |
| 20:04.58 | Osstia | "...I wanted to also chat about your network and also ask why you have not opened a technical case in over a year. Let me know if you have any questions or require any technical items clarified." |
| 20:05.13 | Osstia | Wouldn't that be considered a good thing if your customers don't have to call for help? |
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| 20:50.12 | zenzelezz | any EU horde players around that do raiding? |
| 20:50.56 | Dashkal | We has 3.2 info now: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/17367596635-blizzard-shop-talk--under-development.html |
| 20:54.53 | Caleb| | yep zenzelezz, what ya need? |
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| 20:58.16 | zenzelezz | Caleb|: which server do you play on? |
| 20:58.25 | Caleb| | Magtheridon |
| 21:01.02 | Dashkal | Bonus: "Would it help if I told you your presumed time lines are way too inflated? :)" - Zar. In response to some poster saying Icecrown is April/May. |
| 21:01.13 | Dashkal | Seems at least their internal targets are quite a bit faster than people suspect. |
| 21:04.17 | ZorbaTHut | I know there's a group I know who's claiming that the next expansion will hit before this Christmas |
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| 21:04.45 | nicoli_s | i seriously doubt that |
| 21:04.45 | Dashkal | heh, in a perfect world, sure. But Blizzard doesn't develop that fast in practice. |
| 21:04.50 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not sure I believe them, but I do admit things are moving pretty fast if they're aiming for *next* Christmas. Either that or they plan to pull a lot of raids out of their hat that I'm not expecting. |
| 21:04.59 | Dashkal | I'd be more likely to bet Christmas 2010 |
| 21:05.41 | ZorbaTHut | if they're claiming "Icecrown in April/May" is way too inflated, then I'm not sure what their plans are |
| 21:05.48 | ZorbaTHut | maybe they're going for 1.5 year expansions |
| 21:05.50 | Dashkal | I still have my fingers crossed for a full-on Nerubian raid |
| 21:06.23 | durcyn | if by nerubian you mean nerubian trolls, i'd believe it. |
| 21:06.31 | Dashkal | lol |
| 21:06.40 | Dashkal | And I'm seriously hoping they just skip the trolls this xpack :p |
| 21:06.44 | durcyn | Zul'Spida |
| 21:07.20 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall a blue post saying that they were planning on no trolls this xpack |
| 21:07.25 | nicoli_s | they need to add spaceships to wow that take you to new worlds, thatll fix complaints about no lore content left |
| 21:07.28 | Thunder_Child | well blizz origionaly dais they would try to release an xpac once per year |
| 21:07.31 | Thunder_Child | said* |
| 21:07.31 | ZorbaTHut | that they'd originally planned a troll raid, but then it turned out everyone was tired of trolls |
| 21:07.35 | nicoli_s | and then that way they can just add a sc world :P |
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| 21:08.11 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, yeah, but that seems almost too compressed. They don't want to toss out an xpack a month after Icecrown |
| 21:08.14 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 21:08.21 | ZorbaTHut | if they wanted that, they'd basically have to give us Icecrown in three months |
| 21:08.35 | Dashkal | Getting Icecrown for Christmas isn't out of the question. |
| 21:08.38 | ZorbaTHut | and if 3.2 isn't Icecrown, but is another raid, the timing for that doesn't work out either |
| 21:08.45 | ZorbaTHut | dashkal, I agree getting Icecrown for Christmas is plausible |
| 21:08.56 | ZorbaTHut | but if we get Icecrown for Christmas, we're getting another expansion in March or so |
| 21:09.02 | Dashkal | Yep |
| 21:09.04 | ZorbaTHut | which is why I mention 1.5 year expansions :) |
| 21:09.08 | Dashkal | Which also wouldn't suck |
| 21:09.13 | Thunder_Child | i dont think 3.2 can be icecrown |
| 21:09.21 | ZorbaTHut | but that'd be kind of weird, since it's the exact opposite of holiday season (maybe they're aiming for summer break? :D) |
| 21:09.31 | Dashkal | They originally wanted one year expansions, but then had to accept that it just wasn't possible given their dev style. |
| 21:09.32 | nicoli_s | thunder_child they already said whats gonna be in 3.2 |
| 21:09.49 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s, well ZorbaTHut said *if* |
| 21:10.02 | Dashkal | ZorbaTHut: Seasonal sales don't matter as much with wow xpacks as with new games. With WoW, you either get the xpack or stop playing. |
| 21:10.23 | Dashkal | Besides, they may want to save the big sales seasons for Diablo and/or SC2 |
| 21:10.34 | nicoli_s | drools for d3 and sc2 |
| 21:11.02 | Thunder_Child | D3 > SC2. regardless when they come out i wil be to busy to play wow |
| 21:11.12 | Dashkal | heh, I want both |
| 21:11.18 | Dashkal | Even though I'm epic fail at RTS games |
| 21:11.40 | nicoli_s | i think d3 and sc2 will have equal levels of awesome, though i will probably spend more time playing around with sc2 because of the map making stuff |
| 21:11.48 | nicoli_s | especially if we do a curse sc2 site |
| 21:11.58 | Dashkal | I'm _really_ looking forward to getting three game-length campaigns for SC2 |
| 21:12.14 | Dashkal | I love that lore. |
| 21:12.38 | Thunder_Child | hmm...since SC2 comes out in 3 different packs that means we either have to wait till all packs are done for SC2 before D3. or there will be a large break inbetween 2 of the SC2 packs for D3. or they will be shoehorning in D3 somewhere. |
| 21:13.28 | Dashkal | They're gonna have to do something interesting with multiplayer to make the second two packs interesting. I'm curious what they have up their sleeve. |
| 21:13.30 | nicoli_s | Thunder_Child not necessarily, diff teams |
| 21:13.51 | Dashkal | Otherwise they're gonna have lore junkes like me buying all three and the competative MP crowd just buying the first and staying there. |
| 21:13.51 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s, that has nothing to do with teams |
| 21:14.02 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s, it's about releases |
| 21:14.04 | Dagmar | $coworker learned something cool this week |
| 21:14.20 | Dagmar | If you merge your accounts into one Battle.net account, make sure your kid's name is NOT on one of them. |
| 21:14.28 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, maps? |
| 21:14.31 | Dagmar | *wham* BANHAMMER |
| 21:14.35 | tekkub | heh, so I thought to myself, I should account for DR in idHitThat |
| 21:14.43 | tekkub | should be a simple formula right... |
| 21:14.46 | nicoli_s | i know im just saying theres not a reason why they couldnt release sc2 pack 1 or 2 and d3 at the same time |
| 21:14.59 | tekkub | it is, but the constants all change depending on class |
| 21:15.00 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: I rather doubt a pack of maps alone will make the multiplayer crowd want to buy the expacks. They'll just stick to the best balanced of the first set |
| 21:15.03 | tekkub | screw that |
| 21:15.05 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s, they dont want to compete with thier own game |
| 21:15.07 | Dashkal | I'm guessing new units and such |
| 21:15.28 | nicoli_s | yeah but they are pretty diff genres and people are going to love both of them regardless |
| 21:15.31 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, they said all 3 games units will be in the MP of the first |
| 21:16.01 | Dashkal | nicoli_s: Gamers don't have unlimited budgets. They need to have enough cash on hand to impulse buy or blizzard will lose some sales that they'd keep by spacing them out a bit. |
| 21:16.06 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s, but people that like both may not be able to afford both. it's just bad practice thats all, so i am curious to see what they do |
| 21:16.26 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: That doesn't mean they can't invent more units between the release of Terrans and Zerg. |
| 21:16.48 | Dashkal | Blizzard is perfectly willing to change plans. I wouldn't consider anything they said already to be in stone. |
| 21:16.56 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, but it would either be MP only units or non-terran units |
| 21:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, what's the debate? |
| 21:17.26 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, how much you fail at reading up |
| 21:17.27 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: How will blizzard make the two SC2 campaign packs valuable to the multiplayer crowd? |
| 21:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: they're not map packs. What they announced was the base game that only has the terran plot, and then two expansions. |
| 21:17.49 | Dashkal | erm, "pure multiplayer" crowd, to be specific |
| 21:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, baluable. |
| 21:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *valuable |
| 21:18.04 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, but the base has all of the units for MP |
| 21:18.14 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: and the crowd that doesn't give a rats ass about single player? |
| 21:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, and the successive expansions.. like every other expansion.. adds new units. |
| 21:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ... bam, value. |
| 21:18.29 | Thunder_Child | but not to MP |
| 21:18.37 | Dashkal | sbo: that's what I'm predicting |
| 21:18.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Gonna go with "lolwut" there |
| 21:18.47 | ScytheBlade1 | They will definitely be added to MP |
| 21:18.51 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: Don't assume that every unit that will ever exist in MP will be in the first expansion. |
| 21:18.55 | ScytheBlade1 | SC was balanced over years, SC2 will also be balanced over years |
| 21:19.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Adding new units doesn't really complicate it in that regard |
| 21:19.08 | Dashkal | erm, initial release, not first expansion |
| 21:19.36 | Thunder_Child | like i said though they can either be MP units only or just zerg/protos |
| 21:19.46 | Dashkal | huh? |
| 21:19.53 | Thunder_Child | since it would mess around with the teran campaign |
| 21:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 21:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It wouldn't |
| 21:20.09 | Dashkal | Re terrans, sure, MP/custom only. Given that the terran campaign is done. |
| 21:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Like -every other RTS they have ever released- |
| 21:20.26 | ScytheBlade1 | New content from new expansions won't come into play in the original missions |
| 21:20.34 | Dashkal | Doesn't inherently need to be, though. They, if the units are balanced correctly, could be backported as well if they were so inclined. |
| 21:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have medics while playing SC, you do have them while playing BW, even with both installed |
| 21:20.49 | Dashkal | I don't expect that, but it _is_ possible given how you get new units |
| 21:20.52 | Thunder_Child | thats my point |
| 21:21.05 | Dashkal | Just add the new units to the "store" |
| 21:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | My point is that "original content" won't be effected in the least with the addition of new units/balancing |
| 21:22.01 | Dashkal | But I agree. Any new Terran units in the Zerg campaign would probably be MP only in terms of controling them. |
| 21:22.21 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, are you even reading what i write? |
| 21:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 21:22.37 | Thunder_Child | no you are not, be cause you keep saying the same damn thing i do |
| 21:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Then cool |
| 21:22.53 | Thunder_Child | *facepalm* |
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| 21:23.14 | Thunder_Child | i would expect research more than units |
| 21:23.37 | Thunder_Child | thats eaiser to fit in more places |
| 21:24.06 | Dashkal | I'd expect both |
| 21:24.09 | Dashkal | A la brood war |
| 21:24.56 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if the WoW mentality goes over into SC2....eg. there are MP only units/reasearch |
| 21:25.04 | Thunder_Child | that are slightly different |
| 21:25.35 | Dashkal | I'm still annoyed at the MP only units in vanilla wc3... I wanted my Chimeras |
| 21:25.53 | Dashkal | Were they really so unbalancing that they couldn't be given for the final mission? |
| 21:26.01 | Dashkal | Prolly messed with the scripts |
| 21:26.21 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember that far back |
| 21:26.28 | Dashkal | Anybody remember the ballista trick that'd let you actually win that mission? |
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| 21:27.49 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: ping |
| 21:30.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: the Chimaera is absolutely available in War3 original NE 7 |
| 21:30.50 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: not to my memory, but that was so long ago I might be remembering incorrectly. I was playing on one of the original patches (I suck at MP to the point where keeping up to date with balance changes was a waste of time) |
| 21:31.04 | nicoli_s | you could get the chimera, i remember |
| 21:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | nope. original MPQ files, unpatched, it's available. |
| 21:31.16 | Dashkal | mmm, memory fail then |
| 21:31.50 | Dashkal | I played with that mission quite a bit (never beat it legit), no memory of that unit |
| 21:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I honestly cannot recall a single unit available in any RTS they have ever released that was unavailable in multi |
| 21:32.20 | ScytheBlade1 | (Exempting things like the SC heroes, which were really just buffed up base units) |
| 21:32.47 | Dashkal | SP only? Hydralisk in WC3 |
| 21:32.55 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:33.01 | Dashkal | special case, I know |
| 21:33.06 | msou| | only from raids toy get emblem of valor by the way? |
| 21:33.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:33.09 | nicoli_s | those hydralisks were awesome |
| 21:33.14 | ScytheBlade1 | that doesn't really apply, haha |
| 21:33.17 | KarlKFI | :) Top Pally on the server w/o wearing max ilvl gear: http://armorylite.com/browse/us/doomhammer/17600/c |
| 21:33.23 | Dashkal | well, it was a real unit, just an easter egg |
| 21:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | one that couldn't be built anywhere under any circumstances |
| 21:33.39 | nicoli_s | have they said if the sc2 hero-type units will get items/XP like in wc3? |
| 21:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: the *option* will be there, but levels will be left out of the game in both single and multi |
| 21:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: feel free to make a make that does it though, as it will be available |
| 21:34.30 | nicoli_s | ahh k |
| 21:34.43 | Dashkal | I do recall a blue post saying that the Tauren Marine is going to be available for custom maps :p |
| 21:34.46 | nicoli_s | i just can't wait to tear all those new map/model formats apart |
| 21:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll even be able to create an entirely new *race* with the editor |
| 21:34.59 | Dashkal | jawdrop |
| 21:35.18 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: That implies model import, which seems too good to be true. |
| 21:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | it implies a lot of things |
| 21:35.33 | nicoli_s | it doesnt imply model import |
| 21:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, war3 has model import |
| 21:35.49 | Dashkal | Ahh, ok then. I'll buy iy |
| 21:35.51 | Dashkal | it* |
| 21:35.53 | nicoli_s | you could make a custom race thats combined of existing units and special/doodad stuff |
| 21:36.11 | nicoli_s | ScytheBlade1, not for a while after release though |
| 21:36.18 | Dashkal | WC3's editor as I recall was good enough to make a new race using existing art assets. Didn't know you could add custom assets. |
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| 21:36.54 | Dashkal | Mind if I import TA's ARM and CORE into SC2? |
| 21:36.57 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 21:37.01 | nicoli_s | i know you could add new assets for a while simply by adding them to the mpq and editing the relevent files |
| 21:37.20 | ScytheBlade1 | nicoli_s: indeed, but now it's in there - it is likely that we'll have that functionality in SC2's editor. They've never /removed/ a feature from an editor, even cross-universe, only added |
| 21:37.39 | nicoli_s | yah, though i wonder if their model tools will be out day 1 |
| 21:37.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That I can give you |
| 21:37.58 | Dashkal | Fortunately for us, Blizzard is well aware of the value of user-modifications |
| 21:38.28 | nicoli_s | i just hope they use a modified .m2 format so it wont take too long to get new models in |
| 21:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | They've used it for a while now |
| 21:39.56 | nicoli_s | yah, but they changed model formats from wc3->wow, so who knows if itll change again |
| 21:40.46 | nicoli_s | i hope they use JASS too, lovedworking with that |
| 21:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I hope they don't, lol |
| 21:41.00 | nicoli_s | why not? |
| 21:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Never liked it |
| 21:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The language has a very, very small scope |
| 21:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (Only War3) |
| 21:41.53 | Dashkal | Just plunk a Lua engine in there :p |
| 21:42.13 | nicoli_s | i'd be content with lua too |
| 21:44.32 | nicoli_s | i'll be content with anything as long as i have something to tinker with |
| 21:45.02 | Dashkal | Watch it come out in brainfuck |
| 21:45.24 | nicoli_s | i'd put that at a 9.9 on the 1-10 unlukely scale |
| 21:45.27 | nicoli_s | unlikely* |
| 21:45.36 | Dashkal | Or Java ;) |
| 21:45.38 | nicoli_s | 1 a heh, and 10 being meh |
| 21:46.10 | Dashkal | But yeah, my bet is on Lua given how much experience they have with it now. |
| 21:46.37 | nicoli_s | a copy just needs to leak damnit |
| 21:46.46 | nicoli_s | wow and all its xps leaked in alpha, why not sc2 |
| 21:46.50 | Dashkal | Related: didn't Slouken switch teams awhile back? Or am I thinking only of Tigole? |
| 21:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | They both did |
| 21:48.01 | Dashkal | Tigole jumped to the new MMO, where did Slouken go? |
| 21:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure offhand |
| 21:48.55 | Dashkal | well, anyway, my point was Blizzard has Lua expertise. It's not out of the question that it'll be used for map scripting. |
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| 21:51.58 | Thunder_Child | does arkinven not have an option to look at the guild log? |
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| 21:55.55 | _rane | are there any gear switching addons that make it impossible to vendor the gear that's used in some gear set? |
| 21:56.45 | KarlKFI | sloukens' ona secret project afaik, not sure which one |
| 21:57.22 | KarlKFI | not wow at any rate |
| 21:57.23 | Dashkal | mmm, I'd conjecture that they ganked him for the UI of the new MMO then |
| 21:57.58 | KarlKFI | so is this the MMO based on new IP? |
| 21:58.11 | KarlKFI | remember reading that somewhere |
| 21:58.38 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah, it's been stated it's entirely new IP. |
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| 22:00.41 | ZorbaTHut | msou, just got back |
| 22:02.16 | Thunder_Child | an MMORTS maybe? they dont seem to have good luck with FPS's |
| 22:02.50 | foxlit | mmowbg! |
| 22:03.32 | Thunder_Child | sounds like you have a mouth full of balls |
| 22:07.54 | AckisWork | Thunder_Child: MMORTS == Battleforge |
| 22:08.59 | Thunder_Child | RTS includes building/resource gathering battlefogre had neither |
| 22:09.11 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 22:09.28 | Thunder_Child | nor is battleforge persistant |
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| 22:13.42 | Aiiane | closest thing I can think of to mmorts would be Shattered Galaxy |
| 22:14.14 | ckknight | Hey all, we're having 3 contests on wowace for BlizzCon tickets. More info on http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ |
| 22:16.22 | AckisWork | did anyone respond to my battleforge comment? I fat fingered mibbit and closed it |
| 22:16.46 | Thunder_Child | 15:08.59 Thunder_Child: RTS includes building/resource gathering battlefogre had neither |
| 22:16.46 | Thunder_Child | 15:09.11 Thunder_Child: more or less |
| 22:16.46 | Thunder_Child | 15:09.28 Thunder_Child: nor is battleforge persistant |
| 22:17.02 | AckisWork | anyone important respond? |
| 22:17.04 | AckisWork | :P |
| 22:17.09 | ckknight | AckisWork: no, I didn't say anything |
| 22:17.11 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 22:17.14 | AckisWork | lol |
| 22:18.17 | AckisWork | did you not like battleforge? |
| 22:18.30 | AckisWork | it has resource gahtering/management |
| 22:18.42 | AckisWork | it's not persitant on the map |
| 22:18.43 | ckknight | evony.com, amirite? |
| 22:20.31 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon ticket contests: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23763 & http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ |
| 22:21.39 | Thunder_Child | AckisWork, i was thinking of a different game. i dont like battlefogre because of the pay for units policy |
| 22:21.47 | tekkub | stupid *nix question! |
| 22:22.02 | tekkub | is it possible to find out the user that was sudo'd from? |
| 22:22.13 | AckisWork | ahh |
| 22:22.23 | AckisWork | tekkub: yes |
| 22:22.30 | tekkub | i.e., I'm logged in as tekkub and call `sudo something`... can I find out "tekkub" from inside something? |
| 22:22.37 | Aiiane | hm |
| 22:22.59 | Nechckn | the sudo log has the names, does it not? |
| 22:23.10 | tekkub | AckisWork: what's the majick words? |
| 22:23.24 | AckisWork | tekkub: walk over to them, and say "where did you sudo from?" |
| 22:23.29 | tekkub | s/what's/what're/ |
| 22:23.47 | ckknight | Dashkal: I would love for SC2 to be lua-based |
| 22:23.50 | ckknight | scripting-wise |
| 22:24.01 | Aiiane | tekkub: grab the pty and check what user is logged into that pty? >.> |
| 22:24.25 | tekkub | Aiiane: and how do I do that? :P |
| 22:25.41 | Aiiane | tekkub: I don't know offhand the functions for it, I just know it's possible given that ps can list the pty's |
| 22:26.42 | tekkub | hrm... okey |
| 22:27.26 | ronghail | w |
| 22:27.27 | Nechckn | same concept across most installs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudo |
| 22:27.57 | nicoli_s | i think its probably more than likely that blizz uses lua now instead of JASS |
| 22:28.02 | nicoli_s | for sc2 i mean |
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| 22:38.16 | ZorbaTHut | I think it'd be awesome if SC2 had two Lua layers - one UI layer allowed for competitions, and one scripting layer for modding |
| 22:40.42 | Dashkal | given the competativeness of sc multiplayer, I rather hope the UI is completely static. |
| 22:41.23 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, WoW arenas are pretty competitive also |
| 22:41.27 | ZorbaTHut | and you're allowed to use UI mods there |
| 22:41.42 | Dashkal | I have no comment on wow arenas ;) |
| 22:41.45 | ZorbaTHut | personally, I just think it would be fascinating to see what the UI dev community comes up with for RTSes |
| 22:42.19 | Dashkal | But apples to oranges. WoW Arena balance is fundamentally different from SC2 balance. The latter is possible :p |
| 22:42.28 | Dashkal | (Judging by their track record with SC1) |
| 22:42.58 | ckknight | I don't think they'll allow UI modding |
| 22:43.05 | ckknight | I just hope for flexible map scripting |
| 22:43.10 | ckknight | I plan on doing it |
| 22:43.14 | ckknight | and I hope it's in lua :) |
| 22:43.50 | ckknight | also: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/contests-for-blizz-con-tickets/ |
| 22:43.59 | ZorbaTHut | ckknight, so what's it being judged on? ;) |
| 22:44.11 | ckknight | whether it works, whether it's cool |
| 22:44.14 | ckknight | depends on the judge |
| 22:45.02 | aesir | Oh, and no matter what, don't even vote on Zorba's entries. He's a real wanke..... *looks around* Sorry, mt. |
| 22:45.15 | ZorbaTHut | :P |
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| 22:48.20 | aesir | ZorbaTHut when did you push 1.0.17? |
| 22:48.24 | ckknight | but like for the WoW Avatar one, that's mostly subjective |
| 22:48.36 | ZorbaTHut | aesir, yesterday, maybe? |
| 22:49.45 | aesir | I have to backtrack. I may have missed an update, so I'm not sure if what I wrote was relevant to .17 or the version just prior anymore. All the days melt into one long dark tea-time of the soul for me now. |
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| 22:52.16 | aesir | Zorba: Screw it. Thortok's post is better anyway and describes the same issue. |
| 22:52.43 | ZorbaTHut | I'm still having some trouble understanding what the issue is exactly :P |
| 22:53.02 | ZorbaTHut | is it "the waypoint points to the flightmaster you're supposed to be using, not the flightmaster you're supposed to be traveling to"? |
| 22:53.11 | aesir | The issue is the tracker text is telling me about point C when I've not yet gotten to point A. |
| 22:53.20 | aesir | *point B. |
| 22:54.42 | aesir | digests |
| 22:55.02 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I'll have to sit down and think about what it should be doing. I suppose it is a little confusing when it's on the arrow |
| 22:58.04 | |Jelly| | offers his daily dose of *huggles* to Cairenn as a bribe. :P |
| 22:58.24 | Cairenn | what are you bribing me for? |
| 22:58.36 | |Jelly| | Oh, I think you know! |
| 22:58.45 | Cairenn | heh, BC ticket? |
| 22:58.48 | |Jelly| | -->http://www.wowinterface.com/raffle.php<-- |
| 22:58.48 | batbot | |Jelly|: @ [string "http://www.wowinterface.com/raffle.php<--"]:1: '<name>' expected near '/' |
| 22:58.49 | ckknight | do I know? |
| 22:58.51 | ckknight | <.< |
| 22:58.52 | ckknight | >.> |
| 22:59.08 | |Jelly| | Yes ckknight, you know. Get out of my head plox. |
| 22:59.18 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:59.25 | ckknight | I still like my contests better than a raffle :P |
| 22:59.40 | |Jelly| | Can you contest me up a BC ticket, ckk? :P |
| 22:59.46 | ckknight | mostly cause I put like 3 days of effort into making the contest system |
| 22:59.47 | ckknight | hehe |
| 22:59.59 | ckknight | |Jelly|: http://beta.wowace.com/contests/ |
| 23:00.02 | ckknight | go and compete |
| 23:00.03 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:00.12 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903650318&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 23:01.01 | aesir | Zorba: Your points 1 through 5 tell me that I think you're aware of it. And that we'll just need to wait until you address those points 1 through 5 to see whether the issue persists. Because it sounds like if you fix those things, then what I wrote about gets resolved. |
| 23:01.10 | |Jelly| | "Beautiful code counts, too." I already lost. |
| 23:02.34 | ckknight | hehe, |Jelly| |
| 23:02.38 | ckknight | you could at least try ;-) |
| 23:02.49 | |Jelly| | You make fun of me enough. |
| 23:03.03 | Dashkal | heh, the two generic lua ones terrify me |
| 23:03.09 | ZorbaTHut | aesir, actually, I suspect it won't be, if the problem is what I'm thinking it might be |
| 23:03.21 | Shadowed | are there even in-game faces you can use that have specific animations like that |
| 23:03.32 | Shadowed | don't recall being able to access the specific character animations |
| 23:03.49 | tekkub | ah ha, I found a way |
| 23:03.56 | tekkub | set an env variable |
| 23:03.58 | nicoli_s | you gonna enter any ckknight? |
| 23:03.58 | ckknight | Shadowed: you can if you believe in yourself, e.g. the LFG eye |
| 23:04.04 | tekkub | they're available to the sudo'd user |
| 23:04.11 | ckknight | nicoli_s: maybe for fun. |
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| 23:06.09 | ckknight | nicoli_s: gonna need to do the Alphabet Mathematics one anyway, to have a reference implementation |
| 23:06.22 | nicoli_s | man im having to deal with the fun job of figuring out the best way to auto gem/enchant items and compare them all together |
| 23:07.11 | Shadowed | You cannot include artwork period, or you cannot include artwork that didn't orginate from WoW in the form of MPq's basically |
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| 23:10.32 | ZorbaTHut | nicoli, usually, people just assume that combining all the best single choices at that moment will give you a good gear layout. not entirely accurate, especially with stats that have strong discontinuities, but somewhat acceptable |
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| 23:11.03 | nicoli_s | yah, im at a disadvantage too since i havent played wow in ages |
| 23:11.13 | ZorbaTHut | if you use that philosophy, gemming and enchanting become pretty easy as well. the best enchant doesn't depend on the gear, and for gems, you only need to try two possibilities - the best layout that ignores the gem bonus, and the best layout that pays attention to the gem bonus |
| 23:11.13 | nicoli_s | so i know like zero about the mechanics |
| 23:14.25 | ckknight | Shadowed: all you can submit is lua, any artwork you reference has to exist in the game already |
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| 23:15.20 | ckknight | note: it's meant to be hard and make you think outside the box (a.k.a. inside the box) |
| 23:15.55 | Shadowed | no such thing as hard |
| 23:15.58 | Shadowed | just more interesting |
| 23:16.00 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:16.19 | Dagmar | I'd say it's probably meant to keep bikini girls off the screen, but that's just my ebullient pessismism talking. |
| 23:16.19 | ckknight | well, I mean, we had the test contest as "Write a hello world script" |
| 23:16.29 | ckknight | and smariot's solution was really fucking cool |
| 23:16.46 | ckknight | http://beta.wowace.com/contests/1-test-contest/entries/smariot/ |
| 23:17.57 | ckknight | so that led me to make the WoW Avatar contest, to see what people come up with |
| 23:18.21 | ckknight | (rather than something else, that is) |
| 23:18.30 | KarlKFI | can you make 3d characters perform emote animations? |
| 23:18.41 | Shadowed | I assume so, working that out. |
| 23:19.04 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: Depending on the class/spec, gemming/enchanting may run the gamut from being straightforward all the way to "nightmarishly complex" |
| 23:19.20 | KarlKFI | otherwise i'd prolly make a line-art smilie face with some expressions |
| 23:19.22 | nicoli_s | i figured as much dagamr |
| 23:19.36 | Dagmar | Rest assured that the kiddie maxim of "Hit > *" is just as retarded as it sounds, tho |
| 23:19.53 | ckknight | just try to make it cool, flashy, and unique |
| 23:20.09 | ckknight | if everyone comes up with a simple 3D model, then what distinguishes it from the other entries? |
| 23:20.21 | ckknight | something to keep in mind |
| 23:20.25 | KarlKFI | it's awesomeness? |
| 23:20.28 | Dagmar | Like, at the momeent I can have 157 hit and 4180 attack power on my hunter, or I can have 262 hit and 3700 attack power. |
| 23:20.54 | KarlKFI | sounds like you need a Grim Toll, Dagmar |
| 23:20.57 | Dagmar | Kiddies would go with 262 hit. People who have taken both to the test dummies woulnd't. |
| 23:21.14 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Lemme just scamper right over to the vendor and buy that |
| 23:21.27 | KarlKFI | Naxx25 IS a vendor |
| 23:21.33 | KarlKFI | free loots! |
| 23:21.38 | Dagmar | Not when you're in a guild with a total of about 20 people |
| 23:21.45 | Dagmar | We do that sucker 10 man |
| 23:21.46 | KarlKFI | you can pug naxx25 |
| 23:21.52 | Dagmar | It might drop tomorrow night, who knows |
| 23:22.14 | Dagmar | Naxx isn't something I'd like to really pug unless I know the people organizing it |
| 23:22.24 | Dagmar | I can go in there and die all by myself. |
| 23:22.34 | KarlKFI | less fun imo |
| 23:23.02 | Dagmar | Either way, I can do more damage because of the disproportionate "cheapness" of attack power. |
| 23:23.08 | KarlKFI | more fun to convince a hoarde of other people to die with you! |
| 23:23.15 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter if i miss 2% of the time if I hit 6% harder when I do hit |
| 23:23.24 | Dagmar | ...and it's a bit more than 6% |
| 23:23.52 | Dagmar | I thought that's what Wintergrasp was for at 2am |
| 23:24.12 | KarlKFI | it's true. I discovered that the crit/ap on use trinket is actually better than grim toll when you're only using 2% of the 2.5% hit on it |
| 23:24.33 | KarlKFI | caps suck |
| 23:24.53 | Dagmar | Dividing by zero sucks more |
| 23:25.49 | KarlKFI | Diminishing returns sucks too. make the calculations harder to do on an abstract scale of "item awesomes" |
| 23:26.16 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:26.40 | Dagmar | I generally settle for a low quotient of "safety helmetness". |
| 23:26.59 | Dagmar | ...like the powder blue platemail you could wear as an elven wizard in EQ. |
| 23:27.09 | KarlKFI | *blink* |
| 23:27.14 | Dagmar | Some may remember that platemail or not, no male wizards would wear it. |
| 23:27.22 | Dagmar | A dress looks less gay. |
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| 23:28.21 | Dagmar | The Kalu'ak Car Antenna isn't high on my list of great looks either |
| 23:29.52 | Dagmar | If I hadn't gotten the tournament staff or the Runeblade of Demonstratable Tetanus to replace them, I'd be on General requesting a "Hide weapon" checkbox to go along with the helm-\ and cloak-hiding checkboxes. |
| 23:30.54 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: Check elitistjerks' forums for some stuff to get you quickly up to speed on your chosen class/spec |
| 23:33.49 | nicoli_s | well dagmar, im no really picking a class myself, i'm working on a gear builder app to do it for people |
| 23:33.58 | nicoli_s | i just gotta spend some time researching it |
| 23:37.22 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.28 | nicoli_s | cool, i'll have to check this out, a friend already recommended my simulationcraft to check out |
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| 23:42.49 | tem|laptop | So, I'm about to upgrade my video card |
| 23:43.11 | jnwhiteh | okay, that's not fair |
| 23:43.13 | jnwhiteh | i hit 77 |
| 23:43.14 | nicoli_s | dont do it your old one will hate you fore ver |
| 23:43.18 | jnwhiteh | and i get mail from the argent tourney |
| 23:43.22 | jnwhiteh | but i still can't participate =/ |
| 23:44.07 | jnwhiteh | oh nvm |
| 23:44.09 | jnwhiteh | here we go! |
| 23:44.38 | tem|laptop | your new NE? |
| 23:44.47 | tem|laptop | already 77? |
| 23:45.21 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 23:47.44 | tem|laptop | wow nice |
| 23:47.44 | tem|laptop | use RAF? |
| 23:48.52 | tem|laptop | so anyway, I'm thinkin of buying a new video card |
| 23:49.05 | tem|laptop | but really what I'm after is improving my performance in game |
| 23:49.11 | jnwhiteh | no, leveled legit |
| 23:49.27 | tem|laptop | Any ideas on a good way to determine what my biggest bottleneck is? |
| 23:50.11 | tem|laptop | wow leveled to 80 already? |
| 23:50.13 | tem|laptop | er 77 |
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| 23:50.14 | tem|laptop | whatever |
| 23:50.25 | tem|laptop | how'd you make it to 77 that fast? |
| 23:50.32 | NightHawkTheSan1 | aside from buying upgrades to each possible component and replacing each in turn and measuring the improvent? :P no |
| 23:50.36 | tem|laptop | didn't you reroll NE a few days ago? |
| 23:50.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | improvement* |
| 23:51.56 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 23:52.03 | jnwhiteh | months ago |
| 23:52.09 | tem|laptop | mm |
| 23:52.54 | tem|laptop | NHTS, I have 3 main issues that I want to improve, and I suspect video card will help all of them |
| 23:53.02 | tem|laptop | tell me if you agree |
| 23:53.20 | durcyn | once you disable accelerated stuff like texture quality and shadows, wow's cpu bound |
| 23:53.34 | durcyn | like, extremely |
| 23:53.37 | tem|laptop | 1) Dalaran is blarg. Move video memory will help here, I hope |
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| 23:54.08 | tem|laptop | 2) Flying around and loading new terrain sometimes causes my whole game to become a slideshow |
| 23:54.17 | dardack | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/22/225259&art_pos=2 |
| 23:54.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I'm really not a hardware guy, but if i had to guess, i'd agree, a video card would probably help. More actual ram may help too *shrug* |
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| 23:55.36 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/perhekuva.jpg |
| 23:55.40 | AckisMobile | Hhhhiiiiii |
| 23:56.28 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1241023070031.jpg |
| 23:56.30 | ckknight | hey AckisMobile |
| 23:56.50 | haste | mikma: old! |
| 23:59.04 | AckisMobile | Ckk am I in arl and wowace? |
| 23:59.13 | ckknight | yes, AckisMobile |
