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| 00:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/204871 |
| 00:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | wants to marry her cousin too! |
| 00:19.28 | Osstia | woah |
| 00:21.15 | Lopeppeppy | Well, if they can do it. |
| 00:21.31 | Osstia | do you have a hot cousin though? |
| 00:21.44 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy o.o |
| 00:24.43 | Lopeppeppy | Nah. *sigh* |
| 00:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | I just hate being repressed. |
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| 01:05.01 | Cairenn | wheee, net-split |
| 01:05.06 | ReAn | hey Cairenn :) |
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| 01:05.11 | Cairenn | hi ReAn |
| 01:05.14 | ReAn | got a Q |
| 01:05.19 | Cairenn | may have an A |
| 01:05.25 | Lopeppeppy | have a T |
| 01:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | Wait, is this hangman? |
| 01:05.39 | ReAn | you guys ever work out a way I can upload a 'beta' version of my mod into the `Beta` tab on my project? |
| 01:05.53 | Cairenn | I can't remember, do you use our SVN? |
| 01:06.01 | ReAn | no unfortunately |
| 01:06.04 | ReAn | i used to |
| 01:06.10 | ReAn | hence why i know about it |
| 01:06.12 | Cairenn | don't think there's any way you can, then |
| 01:06.17 | ReAn | u.u |
| 01:06.22 | ReAn | time to hit up the Suggestions Board |
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| 01:06.24 | Cairenn | check with Dolby to be sure htough |
| 01:06.26 | Cairenn | aye |
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| 01:19.47 | End | "A TAIWAN carpenter bought a porn DVD only to find secretly taped motel footage of his wife having sex with his friend, whom the husband later stabbed." |
| 01:19.57 | End | terrible thing to find when buying porn |
| 01:20.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yeep. |
| 01:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | On that note... I'm goin' to bed. Night! |
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| 01:39.53 | Shirik | <?xml version="1.0" charset="UTF-8"?> |
| 01:39.55 | Shirik | is that correct? |
| 01:40.02 | Shirik | anyone who knows XML off the top of their head |
| 01:40.34 | Shirik | nope, it's "encoding" nm |
| 01:40.45 | End | see |
| 01:40.49 | End | you didn't need our help |
| 01:41.02 | Shirik | Well I rarely NEED help |
| 01:41.11 | Shirik | It's just better to have discussion :) |
| 01:41.22 | End | can't support your lazy habits! |
| 01:45.11 | Kaso | asking a question often makes the thought processes go in your head to work out the answer yourself, i find |
| 01:49.50 | Shirik | You know, I've used XOR a lot for bitwise operations, but I don't think I've ever used it for a logical expression |
| 01:49.53 | Shirik | until now :/ |
| 01:49.57 | Shirik | kinda wierd |
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| 01:53.40 | End | Kaso: I agree, but I can't pass a chance to make fun of Shirik |
| 01:54.48 | Kaso | lol |
| 01:55.29 | Kaso | also Shirik brings a interesting point on logical xors, ive never had to do it in programming at least |
| 01:55.49 | Kaso | of course in electronics i've made a half adder using xor before, but i guess thats different |
| 01:57.14 | Shirik | yeah but that's bitwise |
| 01:57.15 | Shirik | imo |
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| 01:57.23 | Shirik | there's tons of uses for bitwise xor |
| 01:57.39 | Shirik | It hit me beacuse I'm sitting here in Java and like "wtf is the logical xor operator" |
| 01:57.49 | Shirik | And then I got even more confused when I found out the bitwise and logical operator is the same |
| 01:58.00 | dardack | java doesn't have an xor? |
| 01:58.03 | Shirik | it does |
| 01:58.06 | dardack | oh |
| 01:58.16 | Shirik | And THEN I learned that & and | are also logical operators |
| 01:58.23 | Shirik | so lots of stuff learned today :) |
| 01:58.34 | dardack | those i think i knew |
| 01:58.56 | Shirik | I guess it just never came up because everyone uses && and || |
| 01:59.18 | dardack | never programed in java except maybe helllo world |
| 01:59.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ learning about & and | |
| 01:59.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 01:59.35 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 01:59.40 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 01:59.43 | Shirik | why should I need to know about them! |
| 01:59.47 | Shirik | nobody ever uses them |
| 01:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 02:00.04 | Shirik | you disagree? |
| 02:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I wrote code 10 minutes ago that uses them |
| 02:00.19 | Shirik | show me! |
| 02:00.46 | Kaso | what is bitwise/logical xor in java then? |
| 02:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | public static final int PROTO_HEADER = 0 & HELLO; |
| 02:00.52 | Kaso | save me a google |
| 02:00.55 | Shirik | Kaso: ^ |
| 02:00.58 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: BAD |
| 02:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: nou |
| 02:01.04 | Shirik | ~fail blade1 |
| 02:01.05 | purl | You suck at everything in life, blade1. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:01.13 | Shirik | (21:57:54) (@Shirik) And THEN I learned that & and | are also logical operators |
| 02:01.20 | Shirik | LAST TWO WORDS |
| 02:01.27 | Shirik | That is not a logical operator there |
| 02:01.33 | Shirik | also, wtf are you doing |
| 02:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | .. lol, I see what you're saying |
| 02:01.37 | Shirik | 0 & HELLO == 0 |
| 02:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 02:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Truth be told I rewrote that line when you asked for it :P |
| 02:01.55 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It was an | |
| 02:02.00 | Shirik | well anyway |
| 02:02.03 | Shirik | That's a bitwise operator |
| 02:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying to figure out how I want to do it |
| 02:02.09 | Shirik | not logical |
| 02:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, and likewise with you just learning they are also logical operators |
| 02:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I suggest a ~failrik |
| 02:02.25 | mikma | sunday is closer |
| 02:05.34 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1; You have to give me a break |
| 02:05.46 | Shirik | I just reimplemented Java's XML library :( |
| 02:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no I don't |
| 02:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and why |
| 02:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | WHY |
| 02:06.00 | Shirik | because I want to match Java 6's implementation, but support Java 5 |
| 02:06.15 | Shirik | granted I only implemented the subset I needed |
| 02:06.16 | Shirik | but still |
| 02:06.25 | Shirik | javax.xml.stream does not exist in Java 5 :( |
| 02:06.35 | Shirik | I'm trying to backport Minion to Java 5 |
| 02:06.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I repeat |
| 02:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | WHY |
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| 02:07.07 | Shirik | to make Mac people happy |
| 02:07.10 | Shirik | because Apple sucks |
| 02:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 02:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly that is a valid reason |
| 02:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But iirc, I told you not to use XML in the first place |
| 02:07.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You disagreed |
| 02:07.36 | Shirik | :P |
| 02:07.44 | Shirik | it actually wasn't too hard |
| 02:07.45 | a_nil_value | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103800657&sid=1&pageNo=3#43 >_> |
| 02:07.46 | Shirik | I like my implementation |
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| 02:08.55 | dardack | what is minion just curious? |
| 02:09.37 | dardack | and i've had wow take more than a gig before |
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| 02:09.45 | dardack | but then it will slowly go back down |
| 02:09.54 | a_nil_value | I've peaked at 1.6gb |
| 02:10.05 | a_nil_value | and am usually hovering around 1gb |
| 02:11.51 | dardack | yyea i hover around 1gig |
| 02:12.26 | Shirik | dardack: http://www.wowhead.com/?blog=94338 |
| 02:17.44 | Shirik | oh my life |
| 02:17.46 | Shirik | @Override kills me |
| 02:18.52 | Shirik | In Java 6, you can do @Override for implementations of interfaces. In Java 5, you could only do it for overrides. |
| 02:19.01 | Shirik | Now I have to go delete all those @Override tags :( |
| 02:22.03 | dardack | Shirik: me loveyou long time for including linux, so this is wowI curse client? |
| 02:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | dardack: er, come again? wowi curse client? |
| 02:23.23 | ReAn | Hey Shirik: can i talk to you for a sec? |
| 02:23.32 | Shirik | you just did |
| 02:23.34 | dardack | was wondering if it's like curse client but for wowi? |
| 02:23.40 | ReAn | i meant in a PM |
| 02:23.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 02:23.46 | Shirik | sure :P |
| 02:24.40 | dardack | nice |
| 02:24.58 | dardack | you still hoping to hit the beta date of 17th? |
| 02:25.11 | dardack | cause i hated instealling ie6 to get curse client to work |
| 02:25.27 | dardack | with the new ads |
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| 02:30.43 | Shirik | you have to install IE6? |
| 02:30.45 | Shirik | And yes I hope to |
| 02:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: he's on linux |
| 02:32.46 | Shirik | BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 11 seconds) |
| 02:32.47 | Shirik | !!! |
| 02:32.52 | Shirik | The core now compiles under JDK 5 |
| 02:33.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But does it run? |
| 02:33.42 | Shirik | cries at SVN saying "40 files modified" |
| 02:33.54 | Shirik | It won't run until I can compile the WoWI module as well |
| 02:35.33 | alestane | Shirik: How many chickens did you have to sacrifice to make that happen? |
| 02:35.50 | Shirik | It was quite painful, but I did find this really awesome option in Netbeans |
| 02:35.56 | Shirik | I knew one of the problems I was going to have was the UI |
| 02:36.05 | Shirik | because I was using a feature from JDK 6 the entire time to run the UI |
| 02:36.21 | Shirik | but apparently the check of one box causes it to convert the forms back to a library compatibile with JDK 5 |
| 02:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | us mac users appreciate it, otherwise i would have had to murder you, your children, and your children's children. |
| 02:37.37 | alestane | "Perl would be Voodoo - An incomprehensible series of arcane incantations that involve the blood of goats and permanently corrupt your soul. Often used when your boss requires you to do an urgent task at 21:00 on friday night." |
| 02:38.07 | Shirik | I love that page alestane :) |
| 02:38.37 | Thunder_Child | i liked using perl |
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| 02:41.02 | dardack | wait osx doesn't have java 6 yet? |
| 02:41.08 | dardack | there a reason? |
| 02:41.43 | alestane | dardack: OS X only has Java 6 on 64-bit leopard. |
| 02:41.56 | dardack | and yes shirik, the new curse client imbeds ads using the iexplorer module or some crap like that, so for the client to work in free mode you have to install ie6 (linux user with wine) |
| 02:42.05 | dardack | but is there a reason alestane? |
| 02:42.20 | Shirik | imo, they're lazy |
| 02:42.28 | dardack | true dat |
| 02:42.33 | Shirik | but tbh what they SHOULD do is just let Sun develop it |
| 02:42.36 | alestane | I don't believe Apple has stated any official reason, and the reason seems presumed to be "Because it's not high-priority for us to actively support old technology." |
| 02:42.39 | Shirik | I don't know why they insist on making it their own |
| 02:42.59 | dardack | wait apple implements their own? |
| 02:42.59 | Shirik | I've encountered quite a few problems with Mac just because of their own things |
| 02:43.02 | alestane | Shirik: It's integrated into the OS and its development APIs at a fairly close level. |
| 02:43.05 | dardack | and sun is probably no more, but still |
| 02:43.09 | Shirik | like their own little security permissions |
| 02:43.12 | Shirik | which, btw, are undocumented |
| 02:43.23 | Shirik | I especially like that. They use the Sun JDK documentation, but add their own stuff |
| 02:43.31 | dardack | that's crap, java was meant to work across all platforms, just let it be free |
| 02:43.34 | Shirik | To this day, I permit a permission that I don't know what it does (which scares me) |
| 02:43.42 | alestane | Shirik: What permission? |
| 02:44.08 | Shirik | else if (permission.equals("canProcessApplicationEvents")) |
| 02:44.09 | Wobin | heeheehee: http://wrongdiagnosis.com/index.html |
| 02:44.13 | Shirik | it's a RuntimePermission |
| 02:44.16 | Shirik | that's all I know |
| 02:44.27 | alestane | I have some clue of what that permission means, but not the details. |
| 02:44.36 | Shirik | This is apple's documentation on RuntimePermission: http://tuvix.apple.com/documentation/Java/Reference/1.5.0/doc/api/index.html?java/lang/RuntimePermission.html |
| 02:45.02 | Shirik | and there is a distinct lack of canPRocessApplicationEvents in there |
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| 02:45.42 | dardack | apple wants everything close source, and under their terms |
| 02:45.52 | dardack | surprised they allow java at all almost |
| 02:46.03 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 02:46.07 | Wobin | one of my friends apparently has: http://wrongdiagnosis.com/p/polar_bear_poisoning/intro.htm |
| 02:46.08 | NightHawkTheSane | that's.. an absurd statement |
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| 02:46.33 | dardack | if you think so |
| 02:46.47 | Shirik | wtf Wobin |
| 02:46.54 | alestane | I believe it's more a capability flag than a permission per se. It indicates that the application is capable of handling the core suite of AppleEvents (OpenApplication, OpenDocuments, PrintDocuments, QuitApplication)...or at least that's my understanding. |
| 02:47.24 | dardack | i'm not saying they can't do what they do, or am even against it per say, they just want to lock down the crap out of all their stuff |
| 02:47.31 | Fisker- | YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE? |
| 02:47.39 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, everything? |
| 02:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | considering how much code apple has released into the oss community, making a statement like that based purely on their decisions regarding java... it is an absurd statment. |
| 02:47.47 | Fisker- | also that Thunder_Child |
| 02:47.57 | Fisker- | But what i really hate is waking up to a rebooted computer |
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| 02:48.08 | Thunder_Child | agreed Fisker- |
| 02:48.27 | Fisker- | also it's annoying that for some reason my computer won't boot from the harddrive |
| 02:48.47 | Fisker- | My bootorder is: 1. floppy, 2. HDD1, 3. HDD2, 4. HDD3, 5. CD-Rom |
| 02:48.55 | Fisker- | and i have to manually set it to boot form HDD1 |
| 02:49.08 | Fisker- | if not it tells me there's no boot disk in the cd-rom drive |
| 02:49.09 | Fisker- | :E |
| 02:49.09 | Shirik | alestane: It is sent to a security manager, the checkPermission() call, so it's definitely requesting that permission |
| 02:49.12 | Shirik | I just don't know why |
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| 02:50.09 | alestane | I'm guessing that it's being implemented as a security check because it's a capability that can only be known at runtime. |
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| 02:50.53 | alestane | Can I see some of the surrounding code somewhere? |
| 02:50.54 | Fisker- | you know what i really hate as well btw? |
| 02:51.00 | Fisker- | It's 4:50 in the morning |
| 02:51.01 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 02:53.45 | End | Fisker-: troll more |
| 02:53.48 | Gngsk | get a life |
| 02:54.11 | alestane | Shirik: While I can't be 100% sure without going over things more in more detail, I can say with moderate confidence that that permission is probably safe. |
| 02:54.37 | Shirik | um, I can show you the surrounding code but I don't think it will be very useful |
| 02:54.43 | Fisker- | What do you want me to troll End? :3 |
| 02:54.46 | Shirik | it's just the security manager |
| 02:55.00 | Shirik | it basically picks out the permission that was requested and then checks it |
| 02:55.06 | alestane | No worries, I did a little web research. |
| 02:55.31 | alestane | It sounds like people mostly run into it trying to use some Apple code to show an About box or similar actions. |
| 02:55.50 | alestane | How do I have 4 favorites on an app with 3 downloads? |
| 02:55.56 | alestane | on a mod* |
| 02:56.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:58.32 | alestane | Okay, HOW do I enable the SVN for a particular existing add-on again? |
| 02:58.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll sometimes favorite a mod without downloading it |
| 02:58.50 | alestane | NVM, found it. |
| 02:59.32 | alestane | Different question: Anyone recommend an OS X SVN GUI over svnX? |
| 03:00.24 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're not using v1.6, Versions or Cornerstone are both nice |
| 03:00.49 | NightHawkTheSane | but they're also not free |
| 03:02.28 | dardack | http://www.versionsapp.com/ used to be free a few months ago, friend was using it, not sure what he is using at the momment |
| 03:02.31 | NightHawkTheSane | beyond that, there's not really a good gui client :( |
| 03:05.02 | dardack | i have used http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/ on linux before, think it's cross platform |
| 03:05.47 | dardack | but i can't recommend anything myself, been awhile |
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| 03:12.33 | Pharaunmizz | alestane: You could consider simply developing everything in Eclipse and using their SVN stuff :D |
| 03:12.49 | Pharaunmizz | Eclipse's SVN GUI is pretty solid |
| 03:13.21 | alestane | That's a fairly heavy solution for someone who just wants a no-fuss way to communicate with WoWI's repositories. |
| 03:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | when I call out.write() on an OutputStream, are the bytes written that moment? |
| 03:17.38 | Kaso | in java? not necessarily irc. there's a flush() function to guarantee that |
| 03:18.05 | Kaso | s/irc/iirc/ |
| 03:18.45 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, that's what I tried |
| 03:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | weird |
| 03:19.01 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: It does in fact work on JRE 5 |
| 03:19.05 | Shirik | it looks a little different, but it works |
| 03:19.18 | Shirik | Strange thing is, without recompiling it, it looks different depending on whether I run it on JRE 5 or 6 |
| 03:20.06 | NightHawkTheSane | eclipse pissed me off the other day, but i forgot why |
| 03:20.18 | Aznamir | Is it possible to 'click' a button from a macro? |
| 03:20.23 | Wobin | http://www.brokenpicturetelephone.com/ |
| 03:20.25 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.29 | Wobin | if anyone has spare time =P |
| 03:20.58 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i remember, it kept throwing errors on jquery stuff |
| 03:21.13 | Aznamir | ScytheBlade1: what about providing Left/RightButton as parameter? |
| 03:21.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: defaults to left, I think. not sure |
| 03:21.43 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 03:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: sorry |
| 03:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Aznamir: what I just told Antiarc ;) |
| 03:22.39 | Shirik | what amazes me, ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:22.45 | Shirik | my XML library implementation seems to work |
| 03:22.49 | Shirik | without a single change |
| 03:22.51 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.21 | End | loatheb hits like a bicycle |
| 03:26.05 | Wobin | Xinhuan: seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4Xn0mOdJ4 ? |
| 03:26.07 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/great_tits.jpg |
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| 03:29.26 | mikma | shirik: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/multifail.jpg |
| 03:29.55 | Shirik | man |
| 03:29.58 | Shirik | they're on TI-84 now |
| 03:30.02 | Shirik | makes me feel so old |
| 03:30.12 | Shirik | what are they going to do after that? TI-85 is already taken |
| 03:30.21 | Shirik | TI-830? |
| 03:30.34 | Shirik | TI-84 Titanium, TI-84 Platinum |
| 03:30.38 | Shirik | TI-84 Plutonium |
| 03:30.50 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/fox_lick.jpg |
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| 03:31.01 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 03:31.04 | Cairenn | hehehee |
| 03:31.37 | alestane | Night |
| 03:31.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you're totally not allowed to feel old |
| 03:32.11 | Wobin | true |
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| 03:32.27 | Wobin | It's in the charter |
| 03:33.17 | Aznamir | ok, so it is /click PetActionButton5 RightButton |
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| 03:45.53 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=sinfest&i=3149 |
| 03:46.50 | mikma | cairenn: hahaha, http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/3147/20090512.gif |
| 03:47.08 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 03:47.12 | Wobin | sinfest is the win =) |
| 03:48.43 | Cairenn | I still enjoy Simon's Cat |
| 03:49.25 | Xinhuan | Wobin: clever haha |
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| 03:51.09 | Wobin | My mandarin isn't good enough except to recognise certain phrases =P |
| 03:51.15 | Wobin | "Time is money, my friend!" |
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| 04:03.19 | AnduinLothar | 1 block value per 2 str? |
| 04:03.53 | ReAn | AnduinLothar: sounds about right |
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| 04:05.07 | AnduinLothar | is there a reason wowhead has str ranked so high for prot pallies? |
| 04:05.22 | AnduinLothar | higher than stamina, almost as high as def.. |
| 04:05.31 | Shirik | threat generation I assume |
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| 04:05.38 | ReAn | it's where all our threat comes from |
| 04:05.38 | Shirik | and block value |
| 04:05.42 | ReAn | plus we block all the danm time |
| 04:05.47 | ReAn | so we need good block value |
| 04:06.05 | AnduinLothar | more than survivability? |
| 04:06.21 | ReAn | my pally has about 1600 block value |
| 04:06.29 | ReAn | that's 1600 less on every hit basically |
| 04:06.49 | ReAn | since my block chance is up around 80-90% all the time thanks to holy shield and rebout |
| 04:07.16 | ReAn | that's assuming they get through my dodge/parry |
| 04:07.27 | ReAn | AnduinLothar: I suggest you gear for def first |
| 04:07.30 | ReAn | then work on avoidance |
| 04:07.33 | AnduinLothar | ha |
| 04:07.37 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 04:07.39 | ReAn | block value and shit comes naturally |
| 04:07.40 | AnduinLothar | I'm already unhittable :P |
| 04:07.47 | Arrowmaster | i was playing the bionic commando demo |
| 04:07.59 | ReAn | you mean uncritable? |
| 04:08.09 | AnduinLothar | no i mean unhittable |
| 04:08.15 | AnduinLothar | all landed swings are blocks |
| 04:08.22 | Arrowmaster | and im hanging off this ledge shooting a guy ontop of it and he jumps off and i kill him in mid air and then theres two guys behind me shooting me instead of each other |
| 04:09.05 | ReAn | blocks aren't avoidance |
| 04:09.13 | ReAn | unless the hit is less than your block stopping power |
| 04:09.14 | AnduinLothar | i tend to prefer avoidance and stam to agro gen tho |
| 04:09.16 | ReAn | i.e. block value |
| 04:09.30 | AnduinLothar | i dont have any problem holding agro |
| 04:09.31 | ReAn | i only have threat issues when i have to move |
| 04:09.40 | ReAn | cuz of finger managment |
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| 04:09.51 | ReAn | hard to 96969 while running around and backpedaling |
| 04:10.13 | ReAn | but because you block it dosen't mean you're unhittable |
| 04:10.16 | Elly | fix your bindings :P |
| 04:10.21 | ReAn | block is only a partial mitigation |
| 04:10.23 | ReAn | or rather |
| 04:10.25 | AnduinLothar | block != hit |
| 04:10.27 | ReAn | block isn't avoidance |
| 04:10.39 | ReAn | ... |
| 04:10.41 | AnduinLothar | hit means a full dmg hit |
| 04:10.44 | ReAn | whatever |
| 04:10.48 | ReAn | in my mind |
| 04:10.51 | ReAn | hit means damage was done |
| 04:10.57 | ReAn | because that's what really matters |
| 04:11.25 | ReAn | when you say "unhitable" i associate that with avoidance, not mitigation |
| 04:11.46 | ReAn | avoidance is way better than mitigation in the end |
| 04:11.51 | AnduinLothar | unhittable means 'hit' is no longer ont he swing table |
| 04:11.57 | ReAn | 0 dmg is better than 2000 - 1600 |
| 04:12.38 | ReAn | and you're only unhitable when redoubt is up |
| 04:12.45 | ReAn | i doubt you have 50% block chance |
| 04:12.48 | ReAn | unbuffed |
| 04:12.54 | AnduinLothar | with holy shield up |
| 04:13.09 | ReAn | then that makes you block 80% of the time |
| 04:13.20 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 04:13.26 | ReAn | hold on |
| 04:13.48 | ReAn | let me try and explain... |
| 04:13.53 | AnduinLothar | no. stop |
| 04:13.58 | AnduinLothar | i'm not interested |
| 04:14.15 | ZorbaTHut | well I'm interested, I don't know how paladin mitigation works and I've always been curious |
| 04:14.34 | AnduinLothar | i'm not prot spec atm or i'd just quote you the %'s off my mod |
| 04:14.40 | ReAn | Redoubt = 30% block chance (Proc) |
| 04:14.53 | ReAn | Holy Shield = 30% Block Chance (applied buff) |
| 04:14.55 | ReAn | so |
| 04:15.02 | ReAn | assuming your rotation isn't shit |
| 04:15.11 | ReAn | you're going to always have at least 30% block from buffs |
| 04:15.33 | ZorbaTHut | ah, you end up with 60% bonus from both of those, which, added to your default block/dodge/parry, can leave you blocking every attack? |
| 04:15.38 | ReAn | when rebout procs (which is a LOT), that's 60% |
| 04:15.55 | ReAn | so you need 40% passive block to be 100% `unhittable` |
| 04:15.59 | ReAn | and that's only if rebout is procced |
| 04:16.04 | AnduinLothar | I have about 60% avoidance and 13% block, so i am unhittable with holy shield up |
| 04:16.11 | ReAn | so on your first hit, you only would have a 70% chance of blocking |
| 04:16.22 | ZorbaTHut | wouldn't you need 40% passive block/dodge/parry to be 100% "unhittable"? |
| 04:16.45 | ZorbaTHut | i.e. the dodge/parry make your life easier as well |
| 04:16.47 | ReAn | avoidance & block don't neccisarily stack |
| 04:17.04 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 04:17.15 | AnduinLothar | now you're makign things up |
| 04:17.21 | ReAn | no, im not |
| 04:17.33 | ReAn | let's take me for example |
| 04:17.48 | ReAn | 25% passive block, 29% passive dodge, 18% passive parry |
| 04:17.52 | Wobin | interesting: http://blog.blprnt.com/blog/blprnt/just-landed-processing-twitter-metacarta-hidden-data |
| 04:18.15 | ReAn | that's 72% if you add it up your way |
| 04:18.19 | ReAn | without holy shield |
| 04:18.21 | ReAn | or rebout |
| 04:18.35 | ReAn | it's all about chances |
| 04:18.38 | ZorbaTHut | and if I recall, WoW's attack tables mean that you do, indeed, add it up that way |
| 04:18.48 | AnduinLothar | they do. |
| 04:18.57 | ReAn | block isn't the same as a dodge/parry |
| 04:19.04 | ReAn | it's not an avoidance stat |
| 04:19.11 | ReAn | it's mitigation |
| 04:19.19 | ZorbaTHut | no, but it still gets added up in the attack tables the same way |
| 04:19.52 | WhiteWolf | it simplifies calculations to do so |
| 04:20.26 | WhiteWolf | iirc pre-3 BC target was ~103% avoid+mit with HS |
| 04:20.35 | AnduinLothar | you also forgot miss % |
| 04:20.46 | AnduinLothar | provided by defense |
| 04:20.59 | ZorbaTHut | rean, btw, what's your gear level to get numbers like that? is that all ulduar-25 or something? |
| 04:21.12 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: mostly 213 |
| 04:21.15 | ReAn | couple 219 |
| 04:21.50 | ZorbaTHut | huh, are you gemmed for dodge? I've got mostly 213/219 on my warrior also, and I'm at, like, 22% dodge. or do warriors just get less dodge from dodge rating? |
| 04:22.20 | ZorbaTHut | (something around 21/22/19 dodge/parry/block) |
| 04:22.51 | ReAn | im wearing my avoidance gear |
| 04:23.00 | ReAn | cuz i was running noob friends through instances |
| 04:23.05 | ZorbaTHut | ah |
| 04:23.16 | ReAn | basically all my gear to stack dodge/parry |
| 04:23.34 | ZorbaTHut | alright, I pretty much only have Ulduar Progression gear |
| 04:23.52 | ReAn | hold on |
| 04:23.56 | ReAn | let me put on my mix set |
| 04:24.04 | WhiteWolf | i'm not even inclined to switch to prot to run noob friends through instances... |
| 04:24.25 | ReAn | WhiteWolf: im in prot 90% of the time |
| 04:24.30 | ReAn | cuz im prot/holy dual spec |
| 04:25.32 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: Normally i run 24% dodge, 18% parry, 26% block, but i have about 350 more block value and 2.5k more hp |
| 04:26.17 | ZorbaTHut | alright, that's still a little better than my numbers overall, but around the same zone at least |
| 04:26.22 | WhiteWolf | i guess i'm just lazy, or i don't run people through high enough instances, because i don't switch hehe |
| 04:26.25 | ReAn | and with the change of one item |
| 04:26.37 | ReAn | i go to 26% dodge, 18% parry, and 22% block |
| 04:27.21 | ReAn | these are slightly rounded numbers btw |
| 04:27.29 | ReAn | cuz im too lazy to do .23 or whatever |
| 04:27.36 | ReAn | my pally needs more hp tho >_> |
| 04:27.46 | AnduinLothar | not surprising |
| 04:27.52 | ReAn | 27.5k hp unbuffed is kinda crap |
| 04:28.00 | AnduinLothar | mine has over 30k |
| 04:28.03 | ZorbaTHut | I'm trying to figure out a diplomatic way to say "I should be maintanking ulduar progression, you guys aren't geared for it" when I'm the newest tank in the guild |
| 04:28.22 | ZorbaTHut | but the paladin with 4k HP less than I do keeps doing it |
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| 04:28.34 | WhiteWolf | does it work? |
| 04:28.38 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: I don't think any one tank should be "main tank" |
| 04:28.40 | ZorbaTHut | and I also keep having to come up with excuses to stay in prot so I can use warrior debuffs to keep him alive |
| 04:28.42 | ReAn | the situation should decide it |
| 04:28.50 | AnduinLothar | buffed and flasked the other pally tank here is sitting with 38k |
| 04:28.55 | ZorbaTHut | white, when I'm not in prot, rarely. when I am in prot, usually, but not always |
| 04:29.00 | ZorbaTHut | rean, oh, definitely agreed |
| 04:29.08 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: what you should say is |
| 04:29.15 | ZorbaTHut | but on average, I'd say warriors are a little better suited for hard-hitting single-target bosses |
| 04:29.23 | ReAn | there's some fights where i should main tank, because my class caters to the fight better |
| 04:29.31 | ReAn | yea |
| 04:29.35 | ZorbaTHut | it's kind of idiotic when the paladin maintanks Kologarn and the warrior is sent to pick up the trash |
| 04:29.40 | ReAn | ZorbaTHut: you tanked steelbreaker on uld10? |
| 04:29.42 | WhiteWolf | ZorbaTHut: if you don't mind the repair bill, a fairly effective method is the intuitive "we're dying a lot, let's try another tank" strat |
| 04:29.43 | ZorbaTHut | I know what my strength is, and it's not the trash :P |
| 04:29.56 | ReAn | usually i get stuck on adds |
| 04:29.57 | ZorbaTHut | rean, no, they put me on the little guy 'cause I have a huge pile of interrupts (this is something I kind of agree with) |
| 04:29.59 | ReAn | and im fine with that |
| 04:30.04 | ReAn | true |
| 04:30.11 | ReAn | we do switches if the pally can't handle it |
| 04:30.15 | ReAn | i.e. the warrior tanks steel |
| 04:30.18 | ZorbaTHut | the recent situation was Hodir, where they kept me as fury and the paladin kept getting one-shot |
| 04:30.21 | ReAn | then grabs the little guy in phase 2 |
| 04:30.37 | ZorbaTHut | finally I insisted on being allowed to at least offtank him, and was able to load him up with thunderclap et al, and the paladin stayed alive that time |
| 04:30.39 | ReAn | but i can tank steel fine |
| 04:30.46 | ReAn | as long as his falcon punch is delt with right away |
| 04:30.52 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, we generally seem to deal with steel fine |
| 04:30.57 | ZorbaTHut | haha your guild calls it falcon punch also :D |
| 04:31.04 | ReAn | no |
| 04:31.05 | ReAn | i do |
| 04:31.15 | ReAn | my guild dosen't give a shit |
| 04:31.17 | ReAn | lol |
| 04:31.19 | WhiteWolf | that's what i said to myself when i saw it *:) |
| 04:31.20 | ReAn | my guild is a pvp guild |
| 04:31.23 | ReAn | which is funny as shit |
| 04:31.31 | ReAn | because we're #2 in 10-uld progression |
| 04:31.40 | ZorbaTHut | our guild does. after wiping once because the MT yelled "Falcon punch!" on TS and everyone was laughing too hard for about thirty seconds |
| 04:31.57 | WhiteWolf | been there... done that |
| 04:32.06 | ReAn | basically, i love my pallyu |
| 04:32.08 | ZorbaTHut | I hear more than a few guilds wiped thanks to XT's voice actor :D |
| 04:32.21 | ReAn | im just angry that prettymuch every fight in uld was designed to make us useless as tanks |
| 04:32.24 | ReAn | we totally rock naxx |
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| 04:32.26 | ReAn | but uld |
| 04:32.33 | ReAn | we're better off off-healing or something |
| 04:32.34 | WhiteWolf | as if you didn't see that coming |
| 04:32.36 | ReAn | it's kinda sad |
| 04:32.40 | ZorbaTHut | rean, yeah, I can understand that. there haven't been many add fights, and the few there are, it's generally not a big problem |
| 04:32.52 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, any tank can handle Ignis or Razorscale adds, for example. |
| 04:32.54 | ReAn | WhiteWolf: i could understand a nerf such that we weren't just aoe tanking all the trash |
| 04:32.56 | ReAn | that's fine |
| 04:33.09 | ReAn | but basically every boss in there is designed to ram a pole up paladin tank's asses |
| 04:33.18 | ReAn | cept of course Flame Leviathan |
| 04:33.28 | ReAn | well actually |
| 04:33.35 | ReAn | we excell @ razorscale |
| 04:33.36 | ReAn | my bad |
| 04:33.42 | ReAn | it's so brainless for me |
| 04:33.43 | WhiteWolf | he likes to ram poles up peoples asses in general anyway |
| 04:33.51 | ReAn | razorscale? |
| 04:33.55 | WhiteWolf | flame |
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| 04:34.04 | WhiteWolf | with his giant plow.. |
| 04:34.05 | AnduinLothar | flame is ezmdoe |
| 04:34.06 | ReAn | sad thing is |
| 04:34.17 | WhiteWolf | it was a joke *sigh* |
| 04:34.21 | ReAn | i wear like 3-4 pieces of healing gear on that fight |
| 04:34.33 | ReAn | cuz i have 213 items to replace some of my 200 tanking |
| 04:34.43 | ReAn | and some 219 healing to replace some 213 tanking |
| 04:34.48 | ReAn | since it's all item level |
| 04:34.49 | AnduinLothar | how do you have that much avoidance with 200 gear |
| 04:35.04 | WhiteWolf | yeah, i've an outfitter setup for maximum ilevel |
| 04:35.04 | ReAn | just my helm/gloves/belt |
| 04:35.21 | ReAn | which are all really good avoidance pieces |
| 04:35.37 | AnduinLothar | i just picked up 3 126 items tonight :-D |
| 04:35.47 | AnduinLothar | 226 |
| 04:35.59 | ReAn | some 200 items are better |
| 04:36.03 | ReAn | in some ways |
| 04:36.08 | ReAn | take this example: |
| 04:36.15 | ReAn | I have the Wall of Terror (226) |
| 04:36.24 | AnduinLothar | wall of terror is BiS now |
| 04:36.38 | ReAn | But the Hero's Sunderer (213) has more dodge/parry |
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| 04:36.50 | ReAn | i lose some other shit |
| 04:37.06 | AnduinLothar | it's true. i didn't pick up terror because hero's was better before they buffed it |
| 04:37.11 | ReAn | but frankly, i can live with 100 less health, 2 less defense, and 11 less block value |
| 04:37.43 | ReAn | for .4% parry and .03% more dodge |
| 04:37.57 | ReAn | when you make sacrifices like that in 3-4 pieces of gear you start to add up |
| 04:38.13 | ReAn | hence why i can get a high dodge in my avoidance shit |
| 04:38.24 | ReAn | but like i said 2.5k less hp and 350 less block value |
| 04:38.33 | ReAn | my threat is junk in my avoidance gear |
| 04:38.39 | ReAn | but it all depends on the fight |
| 04:38.41 | AnduinLothar | my gear is avoidance heavy. i didn't have any +block rating in gear until my [Unbreakable Chestguard] today |
| 04:39.23 | ReAn | for your pally? |
| 04:39.25 | ReAn | well |
| 04:39.26 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 04:39.31 | ReAn | i get a lot of my block trough strength |
| 04:39.39 | ReAn | which is why kings is neccesary |
| 04:39.45 | AnduinLothar | that's value, not rating |
| 04:39.51 | ReAn | oh |
| 04:39.55 | ReAn | rating comes on odds and ends |
| 04:40.15 | ReAn | im wearing 7.5 chest, 7.0 pants, and 8.0 shoulders |
| 04:40.18 | AnduinLothar | ratng i'd rather pass on if i can get 102.7% w/o it |
| 04:40.36 | ReAn | that's 128 rating alone |
| 04:40.45 | AnduinLothar | only problem is that until ulduar most things with vlaue also had rating |
| 04:40.52 | ReAn | yea |
| 04:40.58 | ReAn | frankly id rather have avoidance |
| 04:41.20 | AnduinLothar | wowhead also has rating ranked high |
| 04:41.26 | AnduinLothar | which is disagree with |
| 04:41.37 | AnduinLothar | so i downrank their str and block rating |
| 04:41.41 | AnduinLothar | when ranking gear |
| 04:41.43 | ZorbaTHut | as a warrior, I pretty much avoid block rating. block value's awesome for threat for me, but block rating is really only useful if I'm trying to do a Paladin's job badly. I'd rather take parry or dodge any day |
| 04:41.51 | ZorbaTHut | wowhead's fury warrior stats are absolutely braindamaged :P |
| 04:42.16 | ZorbaTHut | they have attack power weighted about 50% higher than strength |
| 04:42.41 | ZorbaTHut | and expertise *three times higher* than attack power |
| 04:42.46 | ZorbaTHut | I have no idea what they're thinking |
| 04:42.50 | AnduinLothar | yeah i only took [Unbreakable Chestguard] because competition is tough on the tier gear. |
| 04:43.23 | ReAn | but zorba |
| 04:43.28 | Shirik | # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x000007fefe2937d2, pid=5868, tid=2220 |
| 04:43.28 | Shirik | # |
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| 04:43.30 | Shirik | I declare victory |
| 04:43.38 | ReAn | approach your tanking problem with your guild like i do VoA Emalon |
| 04:43.42 | ReAn | im usually the better tank |
| 04:43.52 | ReAn | but i offer to tank the adds cuz im better at it |
| 04:45.00 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'll have to give it a try next time we're on Hodir |
| 04:45.20 | ReAn | just explain your class caters to the fight better, and your gear too |
| 04:45.23 | ReAn | just ask them to try it |
| 04:45.28 | ReAn | and see if it's easier |
| 04:46.10 | Elly | 15 |
| 04:46.11 | Elly | oop |
| 04:46.15 | Elly | oops, rather |
| 04:46.27 | WhiteWolf | when i lead raids i'm usually fairly aware of the fail factor of heals and tanks as it happens... someone paying attention should/would notice that their tank is in need of assistance or replacement |
| 04:47.21 | WhiteWolf | repeated wipes is a generic indicator of a problem somewhere |
| 04:47.43 | ReAn | plus with mods like recount, it's pretty easy to see where the fail is manifesting |
| 04:47.52 | ZorbaTHut | white, in fairness, our repeated wipes on Hodir are mostly thanks to people having trouble seeing a gigantic circle with a huge falling icicle |
| 04:48.13 | ReAn | admitedly hodir is a bitch |
| 04:48.37 | ZorbaTHut | or thinking "get next to the circle so you can jump inside" means "cast a few more spells, then consider sidling over at your leisure" |
| 04:49.27 | WhiteWolf | a wipe due to a problem in technique manifests itself differently than a tank getting cut in two |
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| 04:50.29 | ZorbaTHut | the situation where we suddenly aced it when I went to prot was on hodir-10, and in that case it really was the tank getting cut in two, but I also didn't care so much because we were about to call it anyway |
| 04:51.01 | ReAn | what's your warrior's unbuffed hp ZorbaTHut? |
| 04:51.26 | ZorbaTHut | rean, I know this number exactly |
| 04:51.27 | ZorbaTHut | 29,911 :( |
| 04:51.36 | ZorbaTHut | I want 30k dammit but I *can't quite get there* |
| 04:53.24 | ReAn | lol |
| 04:53.31 | ReAn | im at 27,547 |
| 04:53.40 | ajmitch | it's that psychological difference |
| 04:54.13 | ZorbaTHut | I've been stacking stam and avoidance for boss fights, I'm really carefully set up exactly for maintanking progression content. sometimes I even get to do it |
| 04:54.26 | ZorbaTHut | aj, it is! 30k man! that's a *really big number* |
| 04:54.29 | ZorbaTHut | 29.9 is far smaller. |
| 04:56.00 | WhiteWolf | ZorbaTHut: this is going to sound a little left field, and potentially ignorant -- but would i know you alias from projects not involved with WoW? |
| 04:56.20 | ZorbaTHut | white, quite possibly. There's only one ZorbaTHut out there, as far as I know |
| 04:56.47 | ZorbaTHut | I could try to list other things that I'm involved with but it'd be a long list :P |
| 04:56.50 | WhiteWolf | anything of note involving gaming that i might recongize? |
| 04:57.24 | ZorbaTHut | hmmm. I was writing a game called d-net for a while. I play a lot of games, but there aren't any major communities I'm notable in |
| 04:57.40 | ZorbaTHut | at least not that I know of |
| 04:57.46 | WhiteWolf | i don't mean to pester, but it's been bothering me... that "i know that name but i can't quite pin it" |
| 04:58.03 | ZorbaTHut | #c++ on efnet, topcoder, and SA are probably the big three that I'd expect people know me from |
| 04:58.25 | WhiteWolf | ahhhhhh |
| 04:58.29 | WhiteWolf | that'd be it, #c++ |
| 04:58.48 | ZorbaTHut | I think your name looks familiar also from that channel :) |
| 04:59.21 | WhiteWolf | i used to frequent it quite often before it just became another arbitrary discussion channel in a list of 20-30 i watch |
| 04:59.51 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's not a whole lot of C++ questions in there |
| 05:00.16 | ZorbaTHut | C++ is becoming a lesser-used language, and those who know it tend to need help more rarely than newbies |
| 05:00.47 | WhiteWolf | usually the case with any language except lua |
| 05:02.23 | WhiteWolf | i swear, i've done a fair share of obj-c/c++/py/java but lua invents new ways to upset me |
| 05:03.52 | WhiteWolf | </gripe> |
| 05:04.16 | ZorbaTHut | I rather like lua's incredible simplicity, which tends to be both its strength and its weakness |
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| 05:05.49 | WhiteWolf | agreed |
| 05:06.37 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: do you have a timeframe for the next release by the way? |
| 05:07.03 | ZorbaTHut | msou, I'm hoping later today - I may have found a fix for the non-enUS pathing errors, but it's taking some testing and rebuilding |
| 05:07.09 | ZorbaTHut | and a full db rebuild takes about an hour and a half |
| 05:07.19 | WhiteWolf | (if you follow woot, there's a wootoff going on) |
| 05:07.46 | ZorbaTHut | that's the ugliest mouse I've ever seen |
| 05:07.59 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: Oh right. well yeah "EU" and having difficulties in icecrown |
| 05:08.08 | ZorbaTHut | msou, what sort of difficulties? |
| 05:08.40 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: like it shows you the mob elsewhere instead of that area... |
| 05:08.52 | msou| | when I flew it changes from a to b |
| 05:09.08 | msou| | the mark for the mob where I suppose to go for instance |
| 05:09.31 | msou| | I spend an hour circling thought he'd be here or there |
| 05:09.41 | ZorbaTHut | if it knows a monster (or an objective) exists in multiple places, it'll sometimes change which location it thinks is faster |
| 05:10.17 | msou| | yeah hadthat in mind, went to two places and kept circling |
| 05:10.30 | msou| | between both |
| 05:10.39 | ZorbaTHut | which monster was it? |
| 05:10.47 | msou| | let me wowhead the quest |
| 05:10.48 | msou| | sec |
| 05:10.50 | ZorbaTHut | and were you entirely in Icecrown, or did you go into other zones? |
| 05:11.08 | msou| | canniot remember it, uldrallan or some such have to beat him down and get the info outta him |
| 05:11.25 | msou| | questing in icecrown only now |
| 05:12.28 | msou| | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13042 |
| 05:12.35 | msou| | Deep in the Bowels of The Underhalls |
| 05:14.10 | msou| | it could be someone killed him before me and take ages for him to respawn back |
| 05:14.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'll have to take a look once I have the new db built. any idea where the two locations were? |
| 05:14.48 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: uunfortunately didn't write the location down but I can check for you once I get home |
| 05:15.27 | AnduinLothar | so should i gem str/stam or dodge/stam? |
| 05:16.22 | Spellbinder | str/stam for fury/dps, dodge/stam for tank !? |
| 05:16.33 | ZorbaTHut | or def/stam |
| 05:16.51 | AnduinLothar | it's a red slot :P |
| 05:16.56 | ZorbaTHut | oh :P |
| 05:17.14 | ZorbaTHut | all of my red sockets are expertise/stam, but I'm not sure if paladins need expertise |
| 05:17.21 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 05:17.25 | AnduinLothar | not as much as dk |
| 05:17.57 | AnduinLothar | it's useful, but meh... |
| 05:17.58 | msou| | yesterday I needed something without reading first just noticed the strength and stamina |
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| 05:18.10 | AnduinLothar | i already have 24 exp and hit cap in prot |
| 05:18.17 | msou| | they guy almost cried "write an open ticket" I did but abandonded it later and gave him some G |
| 05:18.47 | msou| | really rediculous how some take it way too seriously when you'll end up with a better item |
| 05:19.13 | msou| | do you still get to read your ticket even if you abandon it? |
| 05:19.26 | msou| | I just hope he didn't complain about me |
| 05:20.30 | ZorbaTHut | why not just get it sent to him with the petition? |
| 05:21.14 | msou| | how can I do that? was soulbound |
| 05:21.26 | ZorbaTHut | that's what the petition is for |
| 05:21.33 | ZorbaTHut | the GMs can and usually will move it to him |
| 05:21.51 | msou| | didn't know, he said write an open ticket thought he knew |
| 05:22.12 | ZorbaTHut | he did. that's why he told you to make a ticket :P |
| 05:22.19 | msou| | I needed like 29 times now I don't need usually |
| 05:22.23 | msou| | oh hehe |
| 05:22.40 | msou| | will I've abandonded the ticket and told him I'd send him some G to shut him up |
| 05:22.47 | msou| | he nagged more than my wife to be |
| 05:23.33 | msou| | thing is you never know, he says it's fine but he could write a ticket complaining about me.. don't want my account to be locked or some such |
| 05:23.56 | ZorbaTHut | well, he can't actually get your account locked. he can, of course, not group with you in the future, and tell his friends not to either. |
| 05:24.13 | ZorbaTHut | there's a few people that I don't group with because they ganked upgrades from me. |
| 05:24.41 | msou| | I don't want to group with him. see I explained I'm new I didn't know that item is more for warriors I just noticed the strength stamina and armor |
| 05:25.04 | msou| | I knew about the intellect like a week or two that dks don't need that |
| 05:25.12 | msou| | and agility I don't know |
| 05:26.02 | ZorbaTHut | agi shouldn't show up on plate, and in general, you should only be grabbing plate (there's some exceptions but it's a reasonable rule of thumb) |
| 05:26.17 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: so you say he cannot complain to lock my acc down? just not to group with me? |
| 05:26.25 | ZorbaTHut | yup, pretty much |
| 05:26.43 | msou| | no the agility part I think in a ring |
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| 05:26.52 | msou| | like strength stamina and agility I think I have that on let me check |
| 05:27.30 | msou| | no I don't have it on now |
| 05:27.45 | ZorbaTHut | there aren't too many str/agi rings in the game |
| 05:27.57 | ZorbaTHut | which boss? |
| 05:28.01 | msou| | then I must mixing it with something I've seen |
| 05:28.08 | ajmitch | there is some plate with agi, but none in naxx/ulduar |
| 05:28.23 | msou| | I'm 78 cannot do naxx or uldu |
| 05:28.34 | msou| | will hit lvl 79 today and hopefully half way to 80 |
| 05:29.36 | Arrowmaster | gm's usually wont bother moving items unless its from a raid or a lvl 80 5man |
| 05:29.51 | Arrowmaster | like a heroic |
| 05:30.05 | msou| | I've sent him gold to shit him up |
| 05:30.11 | msou| | shut him even |
| 05:30.38 | AnduinLothar | :-D 20.4k unbuffed |
| 05:30.43 | AnduinLothar | 30.4k* |
| 05:30.48 | msou| | one of the reasons why I do quests more than dungeons cause lots of teenagers around |
| 05:31.32 | msou| | I think thunder helped me get an item yesterday |
| 05:31.41 | msou| | helm of towering rage |
| 05:31.58 | AnduinLothar | oh so now that the raids over |
| 05:32.45 | msou| | Hmmmm? |
| 05:32.48 | AnduinLothar | 24% dodge, 22% parry, 16% block, 6.5% miss, 5% base miss |
| 05:33.32 | AnduinLothar | = 103.63% with holy shield = unhittable |
| 05:35.52 | Arrowmaster | i think parry's count as hits |
| 05:36.00 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 05:36.09 | msou| | hrm, was the notes out only or patch 3.1.2 cause I didn't update yesterday |
| 05:36.21 | Arrowmaster | AnduinLothar: it procs thorn! |
| 05:36.30 | Arrowmaster | i think? |
| 05:36.41 | AnduinLothar | parry is full avoidance which cuts your swing timer |
| 05:36.52 | Arrowmaster | err |
| 05:36.59 | Adys | hahahah |
| 05:37.00 | Adys | oh wow. |
| 05:37.01 | Arrowmaster | wow i dont know what im thinking |
| 05:37.02 | Adys | http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?p=24887#24887 |
| 05:37.07 | Arrowmaster | ment block |
| 05:38.16 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 05:39.06 | AnduinLothar | block is not considered a "hit" on the table, but it does count as melee damage |
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| 05:47.45 | ReAn | oh wow |
| 05:47.48 | ReAn | still on this? |
| 05:51.22 | AnduinLothar | no |
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| 06:09.18 | Thunder_Child | interesting, Kirks tombstone in S1E3 says "James R. Kirk" |
| 06:09.45 | NightHawkTheSane | one of many inconsistencies |
| 06:10.18 | krka | that was when he was a pirate, James Arrrrr Kirk |
| 06:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | also true. |
| 06:10.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart krka |
| 06:10.33 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down krka's throat until krka puts on 150lbs |
| 06:10.49 | AnduinLothar | ooo do me do me |
| 06:11.14 | Thunder_Child | ~do AnduinLothar |
| 06:11.15 | purl | ACTION does AnduinLothar. |
| 06:11.22 | krka | that's what she said! |
| 06:11.36 | krka | *michael scott giggle* |
| 06:16.15 | Fisker- | hey Thunder_Child |
| 06:16.19 | Fisker- | wanna make out? |
| 06:16.31 | msou| | Thunder_Child: I got the helmet thanks to you =) |
| 06:16.46 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, dont you think the 7K miles between us is a problem? |
| 06:17.01 | Thunder_Child | msou|, i dunno what i did but you are quite welcome |
| 06:17.08 | msou| | hehe |
| 06:17.22 | msou| | showed me the quest, http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12546#. |
| 06:17.25 | Shirik | So has anyone considered messing around with peggle? |
| 06:17.27 | Fisker- | just need some new tech Thunder_Child |
| 06:17.31 | Shirik | as in, changing game mechanics? |
| 06:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: 'messing around'? |
| 06:17.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 06:17.41 | Fisker- | peggle extreme Shirik ! |
| 06:17.48 | Fisker- | or deluxe |
| 06:17.56 | Fisker- | whatever version that comes with orange box stuff |
| 06:18.56 | msou| | Thunder_Child: the last quest was difficult to reach.. going to the giant for the first time by the portal |
| 06:18.57 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, i think he means the one in wow |
| 06:19.05 | msou| | was flying around |
| 06:19.28 | Fisker- | oh Thunder_Child |
| 06:19.42 | Fisker- | someone talked about making an addon for it that enabled cheats :P |
| 06:20.09 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, whats the point? it's a freakin game in another game |
| 06:20.49 | Fisker- | idk my bff jill? |
| 06:20.51 | krka | someone should write an addon system for peggle, and then write a game in it |
| 06:21.48 | msou| | still haven't bought killzone 2 |
| 06:21.54 | msou| | dunno if it is worth the 69euro |
| 06:22.02 | AnduinLothar | there's already a peggel addon |
| 06:22.09 | msou| | 70e actually |
| 06:22.47 | Hjalte | The Peggle addon is awesome! 10 minute wait time in Ulduar? No problem anymore :) |
| 06:25.03 | msou| | when you guys say ulduar |
| 06:25.11 | msou| | is it diff than hos/hol? |
| 06:25.16 | Jamash | ulduar raid |
| 06:25.22 | msou| | oh I see |
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| 06:27.03 | msou| | will take another month to get my stats and achievement to do either ulduar or naxx |
| 06:27.07 | Fisker- | what addon is that AnduinLothar ? |
| 06:27.57 | AnduinLothar | the Peggle addon |
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| 06:28.25 | ZorbaTHut | if you're 80, you can almost walk into naxx. a few crafted epics or a few heroics to pick up important items and you're geared enough |
| 06:30.21 | Fisker- | fail AnduinLothar |
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| 06:30.24 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: yeah will do heroic dungeons just to get the epic items, though can't I buy them from dalaran? by the bank there is a place for plate armor |
| 06:31.03 | ZorbaTHut | msou, the items you buy them with are BoP drops from raids. |
| 06:31.07 | ZorbaTHut | so, yes, you can, go do raids ;) |
| 06:31.18 | ZorbaTHut | however by no means do you need to be in full epics to hit up Naxx |
| 06:31.44 | msou| | yeah want to do raids but whenever I see on the /2 channel they always ask for stats and achievements and I don't have any epic item yet |
| 06:32.17 | msou| | most ppl ask for stats achievement even the one I was talking to the other day. told him cannot wait to do nax and he said "good luck with that" |
| 06:32.28 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's because most people recruiting for raids are so bad that they can only make it through if people carry them |
| 06:32.40 | msou| | oh I see |
| 06:32.51 | ZorbaTHut | wanna see something funny? next time, go check the armory of the person asking for certain stats |
| 06:33.01 | msou| | haha |
| 06:33.02 | ZorbaTHut | more often than not, they themselves don't have those stats |
| 06:33.13 | ZorbaTHut | "must have full epics" = "I have one or two epics, a bunch of blues, and a green weapon" |
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| 06:33.16 | msou| | never thought about that |
| 06:33.32 | ZorbaTHut | "must have twilight vanquisher achievement" = "once I managed to finish Naxx spider wing, though I died on every fight" |
| 06:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | the people who actually *do* have those stats, and who are trying to recruit serious competent groups, aren't doing it in /2 :P |
| 06:34.06 | msou| | hehe |
| 06:34.22 | msou| | I don't know much, just that dude and the /2 channel |
| 06:34.42 | msou| | who said stats/ach are a must |
| 06:34.57 | Shirik | Peggle just crashed wow |
| 06:35.00 | ZorbaTHut | if achievements are a must, how did the first people get those achievements? |
| 06:35.11 | ZorbaTHut | and if you need naxx gear to beat naxx, how did the first people beat naxx? :) |
| 06:35.12 | zenzio | for "serious" raiding you're better off getting acquainted with a group of people, or joining a guild |
| 06:35.17 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: some take it too far serious |
| 06:35.42 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: the people now shouting for more in /2 are the ones that got kicked out of guild that did manage to do them ;) |
| 06:35.42 | ZorbaTHut | raiding in Wrath really isn't all that tough - we've got people still wearing blue gear, and we're trooping through Ulduar25 pretty nicely (up to Hodir) |
| 06:35.50 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: personally if I have three players don't know anything and get us all killed they won't get me temper. just play to the end |
| 06:36.15 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, there's one player on our server who was doing the whole bragging-in-/2 thing for months, "i've got these achievements and therefore I am a better person than you are" |
| 06:36.16 | zenzio | I mean hell, our first week in Naxx25 after the launch, our tanks weren't even 100% uncrittable, and we still made it through |
| 06:36.17 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: wish you were playing on a EU realms then ;) |
| 06:36.18 | ZorbaTHut | then his guild broke up |
| 06:36.22 | ZorbaTHut | and he's been completely unable to join any other guild |
| 06:36.30 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: hahaha |
| 06:36.38 | ZorbaTHut | last I saw, he was offering 5k gold for a Malygos trinket, if someone would please help him out. |
| 06:36.56 | ZorbaTHut | I don't usually take pleasure in others' misfortune, but . . . :D |
| 06:37.04 | msou| | haha |
| 06:37.14 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: yeah, same, but sometimes they're just asking for it |
| 06:37.23 | msou| | I despise ppl who think too much of themselves =) |
| 06:37.36 | msou| | I am better player than you are... that is just silly |
| 06:38.04 | msou| | my friends play on silermoon |
| 06:38.12 | ZorbaTHut | msou, seriously, here's what you do. do heroics until you're performing well and actually understand your class and gear. check out practice dummies and make sure you can do at least 1.5kdps, then go apply to a guild that seems competent |
| 06:38.20 | msou| | alliance I swear if I knew about it before I'd started an ally char |
| 06:38.21 | ZorbaTHut | one nice thing about a small server is every guild is "we want competent people, gear is not an issue" |
| 06:38.32 | msou| | and joined them, they and their wives plays wow in that guild |
| 06:38.46 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: very true =) |
| 06:38.55 | ZorbaTHut | but you can *generally* find guilds like that even on large servers. |
| 06:39.09 | msou| | hes one of my dearest friends, sadly enough he knew I started playing wow a month later or some such when io was 72 |
| 06:39.14 | msou| | hmm |
| 06:39.22 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: you mean ask in the /1 channel? |
| 06:39.55 | ZorbaTHut | oh god no, /1 is awful for stuff like that |
| 06:40.00 | zenzio | msou|: realm forums |
| 06:40.07 | ZorbaTHut | realm forums or http://www.wow-heroes.com/ |
| 06:40.07 | msou| | cuase I truly don't mind what we do. as long as we're mature and have fun playing together |
| 06:40.17 | msou| | oh I see |
| 06:40.18 | ZorbaTHut | search your realm for the guilds that you *haven't* heard of |
| 06:40.23 | msou| | let me write that down then =) |
| 06:40.29 | ZorbaTHut | because that means they don't bother spamming /1 or /2 with recruitment or bragging |
| 06:40.52 | ZorbaTHut | when the two top guilds on my server disbanded within a month, I found out that there was a third guild just barely behind them that I hadn't even realized existed |
| 06:41.04 | ZorbaTHut | got in and haven't ever been happier raiding, they're totally cool people. |
| 06:41.16 | msou| | yeah well, I may post something like "looking for guild to join mature" |
| 06:41.29 | ZorbaTHut | hit 80, read the EJ forums on your class, and practice on a dummy first ;) |
| 06:41.40 | ZorbaTHut | (assuming you're dps) |
| 06:41.47 | msou| | hehe |
| 06:41.53 | msou| | yeah dps, hate tanking |
| 06:42.04 | msou| | later will start a druid for healing or maybe priest |
| 06:43.24 | msou| | this is nice |
| 06:44.05 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: practice on a dummy if to max my weapon swtats right? |
| 06:44.15 | msou| | cause I think it's already done with my axe |
| 06:44.18 | msou| | let me check |
| 06:45.11 | ZorbaTHut | no, practice on a dummy to get better at DPSing |
| 06:45.16 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe you get weapon stats for dummies anyway |
| 06:45.23 | ZorbaTHut | get recount and max out your DPS. |
| 06:45.39 | msou| | recount as in the addon |
| 06:45.42 | msou| | hmm k |
| 06:46.24 | Cairenn | hugs Torhal |
| 06:46.48 | Cairenn | Torhal: a lot of people get it wrong, it's not a big deal :) |
| 06:47.02 | Torhal | It's also not that hard to read :) |
| 06:47.06 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 06:47.42 | Torhal | First time honem did it, I thought it was a typo. Then when I saw lilsparky do it, the other brow raised. |
| 06:47.58 | Cairenn | that's a very common misspelling of it |
| 06:50.07 | Fisker- | tackles Torhal |
| 06:50.30 | Torhal | raises an eyebrow at Fisker- in wry amusement. |
| 06:52.38 | Zhinjio | Hey Torhal |
| 06:52.42 | Zhinjio | Hey Cairenn |
| 06:52.50 | Cairenn | hey Zhinjio :) |
| 06:52.54 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Yola |
| 06:53.03 | Torhal | Meh. Bedtime for Bonzo. |
| 06:53.11 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 06:53.22 | Zhinjio | yaeh, just waiting for the percocet to kick in, and then I'm going back myself |
| 06:59.45 | AnduinLothar | wtf... rating is 470 and we're gettign matched at 1505 |
| 07:00.26 | Elkano | well, you're are ment for something greater obviously :) |
| 07:00.31 | Elkano | or as food |
| 07:00.37 | msou| | AnduinLothar: youtalking about battleground? |
| 07:00.41 | AnduinLothar | arena |
| 07:00.49 | msou| | aw |
| 07:00.57 | msou| | still haven't donethat |
| 07:01.10 | msou| | done one battleground and was running slashing only :/ |
| 07:01.15 | msou| | Still have the fps mentality |
| 07:01.37 | msou| | run and gun, we were clan number 17 in attack and defend back then |
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| 07:05.15 | msou| | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Aammaa |
| 07:05.24 | msou| | I don't know if my stats are good |
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| 07:05.58 | msou| | a friend of mine talked about capped, didn't ask him what he meant by it |
| 07:07.25 | msou| | but yeah, hit lvl 80, practice on a dummy and look for mature guild |
| 07:16.32 | Shirik | ok I found a great way to break peggle |
| 07:16.36 | Shirik | increase the ball's radius |
| 07:17.58 | Adys | I'll show you my balls' radius. |
| 07:18.03 | Adys | or radii |
| 07:18.10 | Adys | or whatever is the plural of that word |
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| 07:19.20 | Adys | speaking of balls |
| 07:19.22 | Adys | hi Kalroth ! |
| 07:19.30 | Kalroth | teehee |
| 07:20.46 | Shirik | I just scored 914k on peggle |
| 07:28.11 | msou| | is peggle an arcade thing in wow or some such |
| 07:28.18 | msou| | I don't knowwhat you're talking about to be honest |
| 07:29.08 | Shirik | yes it's like an arcade game |
| 07:29.24 | Zhinjio | thats a crazy score. grats |
| 07:29.26 | Zhinjio | what level? |
| 07:29.51 | msou| | yeah just googled and found two arcade games for wow as addons |
| 07:29.55 | msou| | http://www.popcap.com/promos/wow/ |
| 07:30.28 | msou| | I think it's a sign that you lost interest in wow |
| 07:30.58 | Cairenn | there's a whole lot more than just 2: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat100.html |
| 07:31.24 | msou| | oh I see |
| 07:31.49 | Shirik | Zhinjio: Icecrown |
| 07:31.50 | Shirik | but um |
| 07:31.53 | Shirik | I cheated :) |
| 07:32.01 | Shirik | I set my ball size to about 50 times its normal size |
| 07:32.23 | msou| | that doesn't sound about right Shirik |
| 07:32.30 | msou| | -about |
| 07:32.37 | Shirik | lua> 300 / 6 |
| 07:32.37 | lua_bot | Shirik: 50 |
| 07:32.41 | Shirik | wow, dead on |
| 07:35.21 | msou| | thanks Cairenn |
| 07:35.28 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 07:40.21 | Fisker- | om giev sauce |
| 07:44.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: somebody changed the bucket to be as large as the screen |
| 07:44.35 | Shirik | I tried, it didn't listen to me |
| 07:44.37 | Shirik | I was mad |
| 07:44.58 | Shirik | but even so, that's not worth it |
| 07:45.11 | Shirik | because you don't gain extra points for having extra balls at the end |
| 07:45.32 | Arrowmaster | thought you did |
| 07:45.38 | Shirik | I didn't see it |
| 07:45.47 | Shirik | then again I was too busy getting tons of other points |
| 07:46.17 | Arrowmaster | you probably broke something in its point calc too |
| 07:46.36 | Fisker- | you do Shirik |
| 07:46.38 | Fisker- | 10k per ball |
| 07:46.56 | Fisker- | anyways sauce |
| 07:55.09 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 07:55.10 | Fisker- | sauce me up |
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| 07:58.42 | msou| | do you guys remember the quest name were you fight side by side with thrallmar and sylvanas? |
| 07:58.46 | msou| | In undercity |
| 07:59.07 | Arrowmaster | battle for undercity |
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| 07:59.41 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 08:00.23 | msou| | oh yes that's the one, thank you very much indeed |
| 08:01.21 | Fisker- | lets all hate Shirik now |
| 08:02.11 | Spellbinder | no hate |
| 08:03.02 | Fisker- | oh yeah |
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| 08:10.16 | Fisker- | i am actually raging right now |
| 08:12.11 | nevcairiel | you're always raging |
| 08:12.20 | airtonix | nomnomnom |
| 08:12.44 | Fisker- | SHORYUKEN |
| 08:12.55 | Fisker- | so you better watch the fuck out |
| 08:13.01 | Fisker- | that or hadouken |
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| 08:22.29 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/dalaran.jpg |
| 08:23.30 | foxlit | Guess where I landed. |
| 08:26.01 | Arrowmaster | in the ocean? |
| 08:27.04 | foxlit | I'm sure you could arrange that, but probably not in that direction. |
| 08:27.44 | Fisker- | your mom? |
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| 08:32.31 | Shirik | I just got a score of 1137200 |
| 08:42.24 | foxlit | that isn't ever over NINE THOUSAND.... million. |
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| 08:51.23 | Fisker- | SHIRIK SAUCE OR DEATH |
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| 09:14.36 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090511.gif |
| 09:14.36 | Adys | wow |
| 09:14.56 | Kraftman | ^^ |
| 09:15.09 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 09:15.44 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090508.gif |
| 09:15.53 | Adys | why didn't i know about this comic earlier on. |
| 09:16.44 | sacarasc | I tried to tell you but you were having none of it. |
| 09:17.12 | Jamash | friend of mine reads that, it's pretty funny |
| 09:17.21 | Jamash | she keeps sending me links |
| 09:18.05 | Jamash | goddamn it I have the zombie lawn song from that zombies vs plants promo video stuck in my head |
| 09:19.29 | Jamash | Gonna try to clear it out. AND OUR FRIENDS ARE ALL ABOARD, MANY MORE OF THEM, LIVE NEXT DOOR, SKY OF BLUE, SEA OF GREEN |
| 09:20.05 | Arrowmaster | away you |
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| 09:25.19 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UElbT9iy6Rg |
| 09:26.15 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090407.gif |
| 09:26.17 | Adys | rofl |
| 09:27.03 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:27.46 | Cairenn | hah |
| 09:29.40 | Fisker- | bawwwwwwwwww Antiarc |
| 09:31.55 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_i5jMnMA8Q |
| 09:33.13 | Fisker- | Hope they don't use a bazillion years porting to PC |
| 09:36.16 | msou| | http://gizmodo.com/5253009/crazy-girls-butt-photo-meme-takes-russia-by-storm |
| 09:36.29 | Cairenn | new Worms?! /me cheers |
| 09:38.16 | Jamash | next: Worms for WoW |
| 09:38.55 | Adys | Women Online Roleplaying Men! |
| 09:38.56 | Adys | WORMs! |
| 09:40.22 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npl1P6ULFIY&feature=related |
| 09:41.43 | Cairenn | I prefer my G.I.R.L. tshirt |
| 09:41.52 | Fisker- | hahahha |
| 09:41.53 | Fisker- | In addition, gamers around the world who are unable to attend BlizzCon will for the first time be able to purchase the Pay Per View event as an Internet stream, also priced at $39.95 USD (pricing may vary by region). |
| 09:42.04 | Fisker- | Q: Will people outside of the United States be able to purchase the online stream and receive the in-game pet? |
| 09:42.04 | Fisker- | A: Yes, but there may be some limitations on countries that can do this. We will post more details regarding this when the online stream is available for purchase. (Source) |
| 09:42.12 | Fisker- | HURR DURR DERP DERP DERP |
| 09:42.28 | Fisker- | Blizzard just redefined the world :( |
| 09:42.33 | Fisker- | but the world refused to change |
| 09:42.46 | Jamash | it'll all be on bittorrent within hours anyway |
| 09:42.54 | nevcairiel | You only need a handful countrys spread around the world to be able to say "around the world" :P |
| 09:47.21 | airtonix | im interested in modifying the tooltip you get when you mouseover a aura icon to show the owner of the icon, which event would i hook? |
| 09:47.57 | airtonix | s/owner of the icon/owner of the aura/ |
| 09:50.38 | Jamash | I'm thinking you'd want to hook the OnEnter script for the auras |
| 09:50.46 | a_nil_value | no free interweb stream :( |
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| 09:51.09 | a_nil_value | though someone will probably relay through mogulus or something |
| 09:54.24 | Antiarc | So presume you have a pizza. |
| 09:54.31 | Antiarc | Let the thickness of the pizza be "a" |
| 09:54.38 | Antiarc | And let the radius of the pizza be "z" |
| 09:54.59 | Antiarc | Thus, the volume of the pizza may be computed with the formula pi * z * z *a |
| 09:55.44 | bluspacelost | mmm pie pizza |
| 09:55.44 | Caleb|2 | :D |
| 09:55.44 | bluspacelost | *eats pi pizza* |
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| 10:49.38 | Shirik | there you go ScytheBlade1, no more complaining |
| 10:49.43 | Shirik | I posted an update tonight, and now I go to sleep |
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| 10:59.57 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.01 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.45 | airtonix | he links me his meters |
| 11:01.01 | airtonix | funny thing is my absorbs + hy healing did twice as much as him |
| 11:04.10 | Jamash | how to figure out if the player clicks on a talent but nothing happens... |
| 11:04.32 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 11:04.39 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: what do you mean by that? |
| 11:04.47 | Jamash | if the talent is successfully learned, an event fires |
| 11:04.55 | ReAn | airtonix: epeen usually is a bad sign in healers |
| 11:04.57 | Jamash | but if the talent isn't learned for any of various reasons, nothing happens |
| 11:05.00 | ReAn | you should smack him |
| 11:05.04 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 11:05.47 | Jamash | I've successfully managed to do everything I need by a combination of hooks and event handlers, but this one has me thinking I'm going to have to set a timer or something, which I really don't want to do |
| 11:07.03 | Jamash | pores over the talent API. |
| 11:07.30 | theorbtwo | You should suggest that he reroll, or respec, a dps character when he wants to measure his epeen. |
| 11:08.33 | airtonix | ReAn, its my intention |
| 11:09.10 | airtonix | wahts more the character 'sicness' (egotistic name) |
| 11:10.25 | ReAn | frankly i think tools like recount are horrible for the game, but excelent for raid leaders |
| 11:10.30 | ReAn | you can identify problems |
| 11:10.42 | ReAn | like when your tank is doing more dps than 50% of your dps classes... |
| 11:10.45 | ReAn | something's wrong |
| 11:10.58 | ReAn | but i think the epeen race dps wise is harmfull to the game |
| 11:11.01 | ReAn | some places it helps |
| 11:11.08 | ReAn | like dps race-based bosses |
| 11:11.17 | ReAn | but even then, it detracts from people's overall jobs |
| 11:11.33 | ReAn | so much that people are often too busy dpsing thier face off to do important tasks... like decurse |
| 11:11.47 | ReAn | remembers a particular wipe on NOTH |
| 11:12.00 | ReAn | noth is like the easiest boss in naxx >_> but if you dont decurse |
| 11:12.02 | ReAn | you're boned |
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| 11:12.30 | foxlit | Which raises a question of how to objectively measure encounter difficulty. |
| 11:13.02 | ReAn | and how to measure the compotency of your dps |
| 11:13.13 | ReAn | most people just have dps figure requirements |
| 11:13.26 | Jamash | I could cache the user's talents and compare before/after, but that would be overkill |
| 11:13.30 | ReAn | i.e. "you need 2000 dps or more, otherwise you suck and can't do X encounter" |
| 11:13.57 | ReAn | but normally you can pull 2200 dps, but when you're running around doing things for encounters that prevent wipes, you only manage 1800 cuz it fucks with your rotation |
| 11:14.13 | foxlit | It's probably more along the lines of "you need to increase the raid damage output by X damage during the encounter". |
| 11:14.50 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, do the encounter 26 times - once with all the players, once with each player removed. See how well you do! |
| 11:15.01 | ZorbaTHut | To deal with randomness, you'll have to do each trial about ten times, then average them. |
| 11:15.14 | ZorbaTHut | sees nothing wrong with this idea |
| 11:15.19 | ReAn | well i mean |
| 11:15.21 | ReAn | take my rogue |
| 11:15.25 | Jamash | replace all the raiders with bots imo |
| 11:15.28 | ReAn | on hodir i do 2600 dps |
| 11:15.34 | foxlit | I'm content with a stochastic approximation |
| 11:15.35 | ReAn | but on a fight like patchwerk i can push 4100 |
| 11:15.50 | ReAn | or glut |
| 11:15.51 | ReAn | h |
| 11:15.52 | ReAn | omg |
| 11:15.59 | ReAn | gluth is haxx cuz of the aoe involved |
| 11:16.14 | ReAn | it just bugs me that people judge dps classes' skill based on RAW DPS |
| 11:16.34 | ReAn | this is why i leveled my tank |
| 11:16.54 | ReAn | cuz the only metrics people care about with tanks is Threat, and Did you die? yes/no ? |
| 11:17.01 | ReAn | well |
| 11:17.03 | ReAn | not quite... |
| 11:17.28 | Jamash | also did you point the dragon the right way so the raid didn't get breathed on |
| 11:17.29 | bufaloz | I donno about you but I might look at the healer instead if the tank died not the tank |
| 11:17.41 | ZorbaTHut | the downside to being a tank is it's harder to objectively determine if you're doing your job wel |
| 11:17.51 | ReAn | well exactly Jamash: but at least real skill is easy to ascertain |
| 11:17.53 | ReAn | er |
| 11:17.55 | ReAn | wrong word |
| 11:17.59 | ReAn | easy to identify |
| 11:18.00 | ZorbaTHut | bufaloz, it's been said that if the tank dies, it's the healer's fault. if the healer dies, it's the tank's fault. and if the dps dies, it's their own damn fault. |
| 11:18.09 | foxlit | Your conclusion doesn't follow easily from your premises |
| 11:18.09 | ReAn | a skilled tank and a shitty tank are easy to see the difference |
| 11:18.20 | bufaloz | ZorbaTHut that sounds reasonable |
| 11:18.27 | foxlit | You're annoyed at an arbitrary metric and you're happy with a different arbitrary metric. |
| 11:18.28 | ZorbaTHut | rean, that's true, but what's the difference between a skilled tank and a slightly more skilled tank? |
| 11:18.37 | ReAn | well |
| 11:18.39 | ReAn | in all |
| 11:18.40 | ZorbaTHut | 'cause it's easy to see the difference on a dps meter when it's two people of the same class dps'ing |
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| 11:18.52 | ReAn | Threat and encounter awareness/execution is where you measure skill |
| 11:18.57 | ZorbaTHut | and that gives a DPSer a good metric to work towards - "alright I'm doing 2500 right now, let's see if I can pull off 2600/2700" |
| 11:18.58 | ReAn | and only partly on threat |
| 11:19.04 | ReAn | because not dieing is based on your gear |
| 11:19.06 | ZorbaTHut | but as a tank, it's sort of "well, uh, let's try not to wipe this time" |
| 11:19.12 | ReAn | which is only partly skill |
| 11:19.24 | ZorbaTHut | not as a warrior or a death knight, at the very least |
| 11:19.35 | ZorbaTHut | both of those classes have cooldowns which, when used properly, make a huge difference :) |
| 11:19.38 | ReAn | well my point is |
| 11:19.48 | ReAn | Person X is the best skilled tank in the world |
| 11:19.51 | ReAn | but he's in blue gear |
| 11:20.02 | ReAn | he's not as usefull as a semi-idiot in full 226 |
| 11:20.09 | ReAn | which is the sucky part |
| 11:20.12 | ZorbaTHut | I strongly disagree with that |
| 11:20.15 | ReAn | well |
| 11:20.16 | bufaloz | just give him some paint |
| 11:20.23 | ReAn | skill makes up for a lot of lacking gear |
| 11:20.33 | ReAn | but if you've got 21k unbuffed health |
| 11:20.39 | ReAn | you wont be able to tank stuff |
| 11:20.47 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's certainly a "you must be this geared to ride" threshold |
| 11:20.57 | ZorbaTHut | but above that threshold, skill is a huge factor |
| 11:20.57 | ReAn | where a geared tank can tank it, his lack in skill just may have to be picked up by the healers/dps |
| 11:21.07 | ReAn | oh i know |
| 11:21.24 | ZorbaTHut | I'd argue that, in any fight where things go wrong, a skilled tank can turn a guaranteed wipe into a win |
| 11:21.28 | ReAn | i dunno, basically i like tanking because my expectations aren't foggy |
| 11:21.32 | ZorbaTHut | whereas an unskilled tank can turn a win into a wipe |
| 11:21.49 | ReAn | im expected to not get anyone killed, take as little damage as i can, and live throughout the encounter basically |
| 11:22.04 | ReAn | not get anyone killed == encounter knowledge & execution |
| 11:22.28 | ReAn | take as little damage as i can = part execution (proper rotation & reactionary skills) + gearing choices |
| 11:22.28 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, hell, I had a CoS fight a while back where Mal'Ganis beelined for the healer and oneshot her, and I still managed to tank it successfully. that's partially gear, but I know I couldn't have done that three months ago with the same gear I had today :) |
| 11:22.48 | ReAn | ofc |
| 11:22.49 | Kalroth | I'm kinda torn here |
| 11:22.53 | bufaloz | well at least you like tanking, I find it to be the most boring job ever lol |
| 11:23.07 | Kalroth | Should I trashtalk Zorba for letting a healer die or for overgearing an already easy instance! |
| 11:23.20 | ZorbaTHut | bufaloz, there is no more awesome job :D |
| 11:23.21 | Kalroth | tosses a coin. |
| 11:23.23 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, the former |
| 11:23.30 | ReAn | best feeling in the world |
| 11:23.33 | ZorbaTHut | I still haven't gotten my CoS drake, and that's why I was there |
| 11:23.38 | ReAn | patchwerk 25 or something in ulduar 25 |
| 11:23.40 | foxlit | Trash talk Arthas instead! |
| 11:23.41 | ReAn | you run in |
| 11:23.43 | ZorbaTHut | plus I still need a pile of badges |
| 11:23.44 | ReAn | and all you see is GREEN |
| 11:23.46 | bufaloz | every char I have is a healing class lol |
| 11:23.50 | foxlit | "We'll settle this -- just you and me -- and those five random strangers" |
| 11:23.56 | ZorbaTHut | the healer dying, though, was just dumb on my part :P (and terrible luck) |
| 11:23.57 | ReAn | that's how you know, people got your back |
| 11:24.33 | ReAn | and probably partly poor execution on the healer's part |
| 11:24.40 | ReAn | prolly bubbled you as the fight started |
| 11:24.42 | ReAn | or something... |
| 11:24.57 | ReAn | but what im saying is, when it comes to dps |
| 11:24.58 | ZorbaTHut | I think they were too close to the boss, and we were all expecting mal'ganis's speech to take a bit longer |
| 11:25.06 | ReAn | there's only 2 things people care about |
| 11:25.08 | ZorbaTHut | so he aggroed on whoever was closest and crit or whatever |
| 11:25.18 | ReAn | dps figures, and did you do what you were supposed to |
| 11:25.21 | foxlit | It'd be awesome if they changed the Mal'Ganis fight to a dps race |
| 11:25.34 | ReAn | however, it seems in a lot of cases, taking the time to do your job is not an excuse for poor dps output |
| 11:25.40 | Kalroth | It was a total mess the last time I did CoS, the tank wanted the zombie achievement, so he went back to the entrance and kited 54564 zombies to the gauntlet. But when the MT was almost back the DK started pulling from the gauntlet because he thought there was too few zombies. |
| 11:25.49 | foxlit | Kill him before he kills Arthas or something along those lines |
| 11:26.35 | ZorbaTHut | I knew someone who managed to bug that encounter somehow |
| 11:26.43 | ZorbaTHut | it ended up with Arthas and Mal'Ganis furiously beating on each other, both at 1 hp |
| 11:27.01 | ReAn | lol |
| 11:27.10 | ReAn | my favorite instance bug was with the #1 most buggy encounter |
| 11:27.15 | ReAn | Anub'arak! |
| 11:27.25 | ZorbaTHut | oh man, anub'arak is clean sailing compared to skadi |
| 11:27.25 | ReAn | at about 42% he ran to the side of the platform |
| 11:27.30 | ReAn | and jumped off |
| 11:27.32 | ZorbaTHut | I think skadi's reset herself more often than I've killed her |
| 11:27.35 | ZorbaTHut | hahahah, awesome |
| 11:27.43 | ReAn | he commited suicide |
| 11:28.04 | ReAn | skadi was which one again? |
| 11:28.12 | ZorbaTHut | third boss in UP |
| 11:28.15 | ZorbaTHut | rides a dragon, gauntlet event |
| 11:28.21 | ReAn | ah |
| 11:28.23 | ZorbaTHut | harpoons and ice and all |
| 11:28.25 | ReAn | that fucknugget |
| 11:28.41 | ReAn | i only ever seem to have problems with that fight when im not tanking |
| 11:28.46 | ReAn | when im healing or on my rogue |
| 11:28.49 | ReAn | countless problems |
| 11:28.56 | ReAn | bugs |
| 11:28.59 | ReAn | people failing |
| 11:29.02 | ReAn | etc... |
| 11:29.08 | ZorbaTHut | it's a fun fight, but oh man, I'm so tired of skadi saying "whups, not gonna die today! :D" and despawning |
| 11:29.16 | ReAn | i've never wiped to him as a tank... i dunno it's pretty straightforward to me |
| 11:29.24 | ZorbaTHut | had it happen four times in a row once, we just called the run and went home :/ |
| 11:29.35 | foxlit | anub, ReAn? |
| 11:29.56 | ReAn | anub bugs every time im there |
| 11:30.09 | ReAn | the worst one is the 360 degree pound |
| 11:30.11 | foxlit | He just has animation issues. |
| 11:30.30 | ReAn | nah |
| 11:30.49 | ReAn | i've seen him come up and then go right back down (and yes he was actually up cuz he pounded me, then went down) |
| 11:30.53 | ReAn | within 2-3 seconds |
| 11:31.00 | ReAn | i've seen his trash phase last 10 minutes |
| 11:31.06 | ReAn | i've seen him decide to commit suicide |
| 11:31.13 | ReAn | i've had him just up and despawn |
| 11:31.17 | foxlit | All of those have simple causes |
| 11:31.30 | foxlit | Except perhaps the last :) |
| 11:31.43 | ReAn | plz explain why he commited suicide |
| 11:31.47 | ReAn | i'd love to know |
| 11:31.55 | bufaloz | you didn't put on deoderant that day |
| 11:32.24 | ZorbaTHut | Boss fight tweaks: |
| 11:32.25 | ZorbaTHut | * Anub'Arak will occasionally be afflicted by Crippling Ennui, causing him to leap off his platform in despair |
| 11:32.42 | ReAn | wtf... |
| 11:32.49 | ZorbaTHut | (I made that up :P) |
| 11:32.53 | ReAn | k good |
| 11:33.01 | ReAn | was about to go check all the websites out there |
| 11:33.06 | ReAn | cuz i totally didn't believe you |
| 11:33.15 | ZorbaTHut | not believing me is usually a good idea. |
| 11:33.32 | Ycarene | He needs to be a icecrown citadel boss just to make up for the fact that he's a lower level instance boss. |
| 11:33.36 | theorbtwo | That actually sounds like a really fun effect. Mind control, causes opponent to jump off from high places. |
| 11:33.50 | ZorbaTHut | I do agree, Anub'Arak being a lv74 dungeon boss is kind of sad |
| 11:33.56 | ZorbaTHut | I hope an undead version of him shows up in Icecrown |
| 11:34.03 | Ycarene | Mmmm, memories of blackrock mountain. |
| 11:34.07 | ReAn | yes |
| 11:34.12 | ReAn | i agree with an undead version |
| 11:34.18 | ReAn | more threat for me |
| 11:34.19 | ReAn | :D |
| 11:34.22 | Ycarene | ZorbaTHut - The one in AN IS undead. |
| 11:34.34 | ZorbaTHut | okay an un-undead version |
| 11:34.37 | ZorbaTHut | or a re-undead version |
| 11:34.40 | ZorbaTHut | or whatever you want to call it |
| 11:35.02 | Ycarene | You mean a ressurected version or something or other, heh. |
| 11:35.03 | theorbtwo | The hard bit is doing it where they will fall for lots of damage, but not die, because if they die on the fall, they killed themselves, you didn't kill them... |
| 11:35.16 | bufaloz | a version thats gone crazy from too much steroids and energy drinks? |
| 11:35.17 | theorbtwo | Shanashau! |
| 11:35.38 | theorbtwo | Oh, hell, please tell me I'm not the only one who gets that reference... |
| 11:35.40 | ReAn | so long as they dont pull a Kael'Thas with Anub |
| 11:35.42 | ReAn | ill be ok |
| 11:35.46 | Ycarene | Anub'Arak casts roid rage. |
| 11:35.59 | bufaloz | immune to tranq |
| 11:36.03 | Ycarene | Anub'Arak hit Tankman for 50000 damage. |
| 11:36.30 | theorbtwo | OK, it might be better if I spelled it correctly: Shanshu |
| 11:36.52 | bufaloz | i still don't get it, but thats probably just because I'm an inferior lifeform to you |
| 11:37.19 | airtonix | whats the point of a holy raid healing priest with spirit tap? |
| 11:37.22 | ReAn | you know what the sad thing is |
| 11:37.27 | airtonix | seems like lol to me |
| 11:37.36 | ReAn | the Kael fight still could 1-shot most tanks |
| 11:37.39 | theorbtwo | There is a prophecy that Angel (in the TV show of the same name) will Shanshu -- in essence, to be returned from undeath to life. |
| 11:38.42 | bufaloz | airtonix he leveled up holy and needed a way to get mana back and hasn't respecced since? |
| 11:39.05 | Jamash | thou shalt not level as holy |
| 11:40.22 | ZorbaTHut | man, at level 19 priests have to drink *so much* |
| 11:40.38 | Jamash | can you put a few points in me drinkin' skill? |
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| 11:47.51 | foxlit | The unholy DK trainer in ebon hold engages in false advertising :( |
| 11:48.42 | JerekDain | ? |
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| 11:53.30 | ReAn | you know, i've been surfing youtube all night basically |
| 11:53.56 | ReAn | im really getting annoyed with fucks who think dubbing something onto a random video is even remotely ceative |
| 11:55.03 | Wobin | hehe I love reading what imdb finds to be 'Goofs' |
| 11:55.04 | Wobin | Revealing mistakes: In the bathroom scene, you can clearly tell that Logan's knives are CGI. |
| 11:55.09 | Wobin | No.. REALLY? |
| 11:56.26 | Wobin | Continuity: In the flashbacks of the Weapon X scenes in other X-Men movies, Wolverine is clearly seen wearing a black swimsuit-like garment. In this film, he is naked. |
| 11:56.41 | Wobin | I can totally see the fans complaining about this =P |
| 11:59.09 | ReAn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkRjQSP79ho&feature=channel <---- <3 |
| 12:01.23 | Wobin | ReAn: meh, =P |
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| 12:08.10 | a_nil_value | Thorim's Unbalancing Strike ability will now be used at more consistent intervals. |
| 12:08.13 | a_nil_value | hot damn |
| 12:10.58 | jnwhiteh | Can I just say |
| 12:11.03 | jnwhiteh | that moonfire with 20 tenacity |
| 12:11.04 | jnwhiteh | is awesome |
| 12:11.23 | jnwhiteh | moonfire |
| 12:11.27 | jnwhiteh | insect swarm |
| 12:11.27 | jnwhiteh | dead |
| 12:14.48 | Jamash | mmm, function hooking |
| 12:19.00 | foxlit | Thing is, the more Tenacity stacks you're playing with, the more Blizzard has failed with their world PvP objectives. |
| 12:19.22 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 12:19.24 | jnwhiteh | or not? |
| 12:19.34 | jnwhiteh | my server has an 80/20 horde alliance imbalance |
| 12:19.37 | jnwhiteh | we win 40% of the time |
| 12:19.42 | jnwhiteh | seems to work perfectly to me |
| 12:20.14 | foxlit | Oh, sure. |
| 12:21.02 | foxlit | On average, they've succeeded. |
| 12:21.27 | Grum | meh if you need world pvp go play DoA orso :D |
| 12:21.34 | jnwhiteh | how would you solve the issue otherwise? |
| 12:22.00 | foxlit | Split into different factions. |
| 12:22.17 | jnwhiteh | A team and B team? |
| 12:22.25 | jnwhiteh | i'd support that |
| 12:22.26 | foxlit | The Aldor/Scryer Wintergrasp would have less of an issue than a Horde/Alliance one on most PvE servers. |
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| 12:22.32 | jnwhiteh | but they don't want alliance and horde mixing |
| 12:23.01 | jnwhiteh | which I don't really get |
| 12:23.20 | foxlit | They need to extend the concept of community taps into PvP as well. |
| 12:23.23 | theorbtwo | It'd be interesting to have dynamic ... disagreements between the member races of the Horde and Alliance when the balance gets off. |
| 12:24.28 | Jamash | gnomes join the horde? |
| 12:24.32 | theorbtwo | Would be damn hard to pull off right, though, and a static world has worked well for WoW so far. |
| 12:24.49 | foxlit | But the point is, in balancing the thing for the big picture, they've wrecked the player experience for the MAJORITY team. |
| 12:24.50 | Grum | i dont get how aldor/scryer would work |
| 12:24.54 | theorbtwo | I was more thinking that the dwarves get pissed off with the humans. |
| 12:25.17 | Grum | people pick a side based on alliance/horde, i would *HATE* it if i had been split up and thus not being able to go with whomever i pleased to it |
| 12:25.59 | foxlit | Grum: Oracle/Frenzyheart, np, with some sort of temporary switch as you enter. |
| 12:26.25 | Jamash | everyone goes oracle for the egg >.> |
| 12:26.58 | Grum | indeed |
| 12:27.08 | Grum | faction choices are based on buffs |
| 12:27.28 | foxlit | But then, of course, VoA becomes a problem. |
| 12:27.44 | foxlit | Not that it was that good of a concept to begin with. |
| 12:28.07 | Grum | its good enough |
| 12:28.15 | Grum | tenacity gives the chance to win enough to do VoA |
| 12:28.38 | jnwhiteh | what is VoA? |
| 12:28.44 | Grum | we have a 80/20 alliance/horde and horde has VoA enough |
| 12:28.47 | Grum | instance inside WG |
| 12:28.51 | foxlit | I'm arguing that Tenacity is Bad(tm) |
| 12:29.00 | Grum | Vault of Archavon |
| 12:29.02 | jnwhiteh | and I'm saying its not =) |
| 12:29.12 | Jamash | tenacity is fine, l2p |
| 12:29.15 | jnwhiteh | it means the majority team works in groups |
| 12:29.19 | jnwhiteh | those with tenacity HAVE to be alone |
| 12:29.21 | foxlit | If you were to remove Tenacity, VoA would become a problem. |
| 12:29.21 | jnwhiteh | so we .. be alone |
| 12:29.24 | Grum | the only thing i find bad about it that it should scale with the amount of people that are near |
| 12:29.29 | Grum | and not 'in the whole of WG' |
| 12:29.44 | jnwhiteh | i could agree with that |
| 12:29.54 | Jamash | 'night folks |
| 12:29.59 | foxlit | The problem is more that it restricts the gameplay choices of the majority to basically running around in herds |
| 12:30.37 | Grum | one 'horde' can take on 4-5 other people because of tenacity, if that one horde goes to 'capture' a remote spot, 5 people have to respond in order to have balance |
| 12:30.44 | Grum | right .. teamwork in WG .. lol! |
| 12:31.43 | foxlit | In short, I'd prefer to be on the minority team. |
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| 12:32.04 | Grum | to get wins it sucks, to get shitloads of honor it rocks |
| 12:32.35 | foxlit | While what they should be aiming for is that there shouldn't be a difference as to which team you're on. |
| 12:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | dances in the rain. Again. Still. |
| 12:33.11 | foxlit | (Grass is always greener etc -- I doubt I'll ever see WG with Tenacity on me) |
| 12:37.41 | nevcairiel | I've always wanted to just solo around in WG, taking towers or so, but with horde having loads of tenacity, you need a small army to kill a single enemy |
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| 12:50.58 | alestane | "The look on your face when a toddler rips out your heart and shows it to you? Priceless." |
| 12:50.58 | alestane | It's Richard's village, no wonder it's kind of messed up. |
| 12:51.39 | dardack | yawn |
| 12:51.59 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooohkay, alestane, put down the crack pipe and come back to reality. |
| 12:52.30 | dardack | i don't know his first line i can understand as a father |
| 12:53.50 | alestane | Yeah, QC is happier today: "Actually, they function as antennae for the satellite uplink in my skull. I'm the culmination of my father's experiments in distributed sentience. |
| 12:53.50 | alestane | "Or I just knew it would tick off my mom. Your pick." |
| 12:53.50 | alestane | Gotta love Hannalore. |
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| 12:55.27 | Lopeppeppy | WTF. Threads should be locked after a week of no posting, the necromancy sucks donkey balls. |
| 12:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | should go back to bed, it seems.... |
| 12:57.30 | zenzio | pulls gently on Lopeppeppy's threads |
| 12:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | Lock't! |
| 12:57.47 | dardack | is there a way to tye in a /say or emote when you click on activate these talents? |
| 12:59.09 | Lopeppeppy | mrph? |
| 12:59.49 | alestane | dardack: :SetScript("PostClick", ...) |
| 13:01.22 | dardack | i'll have to look at that |
| 13:03.14 | dardack | does the talent activate button need to be interacted with? |
| 13:04.03 | alestane | I don't think the function is protected, since it doesn't work in combat anyway. |
| 13:05.30 | dardack | ok sorry i should really do some research, just thought someone would know off the top of their head |
| 13:06.56 | alestane | It's a new function, so people aren't necessarily familiar with it yet. |
| 13:06.57 | alestane | And since it's new, there may not be a whole lot of documentation and this is probably as good a place to do research as any. |
| 13:06.57 | alestane | Sorry, I just seem to be a bit grumpy this morning. |
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| 13:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | You too? |
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| 13:10.18 | jnwhiteh | there is a slash command |
| 13:10.25 | jnwhiteh | if its not protected, then it doesn't require interaction |
| 13:10.26 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:10.44 | Fisker- | Shirik|zZz |
| 13:10.46 | Fisker- | i hate you to hell |
| 13:12.33 | dardack | there is a slash command for it? |
| 13:13.01 | alestane | I am officially staying out of the Peggle thread. That GD whistle-blower will keep defending his actions as long as people keep arguing or telling him to go away. He runs on the fuel of self-righteousness. |
| 13:14.05 | alestane | Maybe if we all ignore him he'll go away. |
| 13:16.06 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.35 | Grum | alestane: url? :p |
| 13:17.03 | alestane | It's right near the top of the front page if you really want to feed the troll, but please don't. |
| 13:17.37 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473912523&sid=1&pageNo=7 |
| 13:18.34 | Lopeppeppy | Just keep quoting me, alestane. I gave him the address to go reporting the addon, what else does he need to hear? :) |
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| 13:21.39 | Kraps | google is down? :O |
| 13:21.49 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 13:21.49 | Kraps | google news |
| 13:22.07 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.08 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.10 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.54 | Kraps | good now |
| 13:23.02 | airtonix | T_T |
| 13:24.20 | Kraps | 503 again |
| 13:24.26 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.30 | Kraps | strange |
| 13:25.43 | Lopeppeppy | Busy day on the intertubes. |
| 13:25.46 | dardack | jnwhiteh: thanks, didn't know there was a slash command now i can just do a macro, thanks again |
| 13:26.11 | dardack | what's the peggle thread? |
| 13:26.33 | Lopeppeppy | [09:17] |Jelly|: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473912523&sid=1&pageNo=7 |
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| 13:27.09 | Grum | does anyone happen to know the levelrestrictions in ulduar? |
| 13:27.22 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: google being down is against the laws of nature no? |
| 13:27.31 | Lopeppeppy | Very totally, Kraps. |
| 13:28.13 | dardack | they don't guarantee 100% uptime |
| 13:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | But... the laws of nature cannot be circumvented, captain! |
| 13:30.47 | Kraps | dardack: arent they the internet? |
| 13:30.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ye cannot change t' laws of physics! |
| 13:30.52 | Kraps | :p |
| 13:31.50 | dardack | i thought that big blue E was the internets |
| 13:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | No, I am the interwebs. |
| 13:33.45 | alestane | Googoo-go choo! |
| 13:36.20 | Kraps | dardack: WAT! MICRO$OFT IZ TEH DEVIL CUZ... CUZ... CUZ THEY R MAKING MONEY!!! |
| 13:37.22 | krka | nice troll |
| 13:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | good troll |
| 13:37.40 | dardack | i think they are close to the devil, not cuz they are making money, but the way they go about it, but hey i use windoze at work, for a home phone with skype, but i use linux everywhere else |
| 13:37.43 | Lopeppeppy | pee outisde, troll |
| 13:37.47 | dardack | and i fed it didn't i |
| 13:37.49 | dardack | sigh |
| 13:37.51 | dardack | going back to dailies |
| 13:40.39 | jnwhiteh | can i spend my honor points on anything in WoTLK? |
| 13:40.43 | jnwhiteh | i mean, without needing arena points |
| 13:40.54 | nevcairiel | some items are there |
| 13:41.08 | Kraps | got called a troll /wrists |
| 13:41.08 | nevcairiel | boots i think |
| 13:41.40 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: where would I get em? |
| 13:41.50 | nevcairiel | stormwind |
| 13:42.04 | nevcairiel | or og for that matter |
| 13:42.39 | jnwhiteh | oh, they're sold in the same palce? |
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| 13:44.05 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:44.57 | nevcairiel | trinkets and shoulder enchants too, i think |
| 13:45.44 | jnwhiteh | cause i have 75k honor |
| 13:45.48 | jnwhiteh | and i need to run more WG |
| 13:45.53 | jnwhiteh | or will be if nothign else |
| 13:46.07 | ZorbaTHut | jn, you can get pretty much a full set of pvp gear at this point |
| 13:46.10 | jnwhiteh | so if i can spend down, that would be nice |
| 13:46.12 | dardack | oh yea i hate they capped it at 75k |
| 13:46.13 | jnwhiteh | i'm only 75 |
| 13:46.26 | jnwhiteh | and i'm full s3/s4 already |
| 13:46.28 | ZorbaTHut | well, you might be able to buy stuff for the future |
| 13:46.33 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 13:46.42 | ZorbaTHut | there's a real nice pvp trinket |
| 13:46.54 | Fisker- | fix sexymap jnwhiteh |
| 13:46.56 | Fisker- | you broek it |
| 13:46.57 | dardack | trinkets are jjust honor |
| 13:46.58 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:47.05 | dardack | rings |
| 13:47.10 | dardack | cloaks |
| 13:47.14 | dardack | neck |
| 13:47.34 | Fisker- | butts |
| 13:47.35 | jnwhiteh | yeah cool |
| 13:47.40 | ZorbaTHut | pvp butts |
| 13:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | how much resilience does a season 4 butt have? |
| 13:48.06 | dardack | and i think there may be waist/feet/wrist, at least there are cloth ones |
| 13:48.33 | nevcairiel | they are for honor only, but require rating |
| 13:48.39 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 13:48.52 | jnwhiteh | ah yeah |
| 13:48.57 | dardack | oh maybe let me check |
| 13:49.01 | jnwhiteh | plenty of places to spend my honor on |
| 13:49.16 | jnwhiteh | I can buy Hateful and Deadly |
| 13:49.36 | jnwhiteh | with no rating req |
| 13:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | Hateful. *smile* |
| 13:50.11 | jnwhiteh | Hateful is S5 normal, Deadly is S5 heroic? |
| 13:50.19 | dardack | no no rating requried |
| 13:50.37 | dardack | oh you posted already |
| 13:50.39 | dardack | heh |
| 13:50.41 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 13:53.37 | Kraps | anyone running naxx at 10 am EDT? |
| 13:56.05 | dardack | sorry barely run naxx anymore |
| 13:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, never been to naxx. |
| 13:58.02 | Kraps | so lemme ask this: is 2 pc t7 and 1 pc t7.5 good enough for ulduar? |
| 13:59.22 | Lopeppeppy | The be.imba site is what I always used to rate my gear levels for instances. |
| 14:01.01 | dardack | what ulduar 10 or 25? |
| 14:01.09 | dardack | and whta's the other gear? |
| 14:01.18 | dardack | and dps or heals or tank |
| 14:01.31 | k1net1k | as long as your other gear is from heroic and stuff |
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| 14:01.51 | dardack | no heroic gear is not up to ulduar unless you mean heroic naxx |
| 14:02.09 | Kraps | i'm a tank |
| 14:02.39 | k1net1k | ok put it another way, you want either t7 stuff, or level 213 gear to go to ulduar Normal modes |
| 14:02.45 | k1net1k | not hard mode i assumed |
| 14:02.48 | Kraps | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dalvengyr&n=Ertis |
| 14:02.56 | Kraps | k1net1k: correct |
| 14:03.53 | dardack | are you 40k buffed? |
| 14:04.00 | k1net1k | he is a warrior |
| 14:04.07 | k1net1k | whats that work out to with buffs |
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| 14:05.14 | Kraps | 30-31k buffed |
| 14:05.29 | Osstia | Thats a little low |
| 14:05.44 | dardack | way low |
| 14:05.47 | dardack | those dudes hit hard |
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| 14:06.06 | kneeki | Morning Everyone |
| 14:06.15 | dardack | think you want at least 37k but closer to 40k to do ulduar as a tank |
| 14:06.20 | dardack | i'm a tank and i'm 40k buffed |
| 14:06.40 | dardack | my pally tank that i run with is 39k |
| 14:06.44 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, kneeki |
| 14:06.57 | dardack | and we're only through freya |
| 14:07.01 | dardack | or however you spell her name |
| 14:07.02 | Kraps | guess i need more naxx 25 gear then |
| 14:07.30 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 14:07.35 | Osstia | our pally is 40k, warrior and DK are higher |
| 14:07.37 | jnwhiteh | I need the epic Medallion of the Alliance, don't I |
| 14:07.47 | jnwhiteh | the extra 25 res will probably be necessary |
| 14:07.50 | Osstia | we're on Yogg in both 10 and 25. bastard |
| 14:08.01 | dardack | nice osstia |
| 14:08.18 | dardack | i'm dk tank myself |
| 14:08.29 | Osstia | i'm a holy priest |
| 14:08.43 | Osstia | my alt is a feral druid tank, but i haven't played him since the expansion |
| 14:09.29 | dardack | yea man wish i could get a 25 going |
| 14:09.35 | dardack | everytime we schedule like 8 peole dont' show up |
| 14:09.42 | dardack | and i'm not pugging 8 |
| 14:10.47 | dardack | and then people get upset they can't get in the 10 man |
| 14:10.48 | dardack | sigh |
| 14:10.49 | Lopeppeppy | 2 was our limit of pugging for a 25 man, back in the day of TBC |
| 14:10.59 | dardack | i hate being an officer |
| 14:12.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. It burned me out very very quickly, that officer thing. |
| 14:12.55 | dardack | in a mall guild just doing 10 mans it was ok, but now we merged with another for 25 naxx at the time |
| 14:13.00 | dardack | and that's the stress now |
| 14:13.04 | nevcairiel | I can't really play without being an officer or raid lead of some sort, and even if i'm not for a longer time, people come and ask if i want to :/ |
| 14:13.11 | alestane | Amazing, at least when I broke my decision not to get involved it made him shut up and go away with reasonable politeness. |
| 14:13.31 | alestane | Although I don't think he realizes that Peppy and I are different dinos. |
| 14:13.32 | Lopeppeppy | is jealous of alestane's dino-karma |
| 14:13.35 | dardack | anyways, i hope 25 uld happens sat for me |
| 14:14.25 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17162146263&sid=1#9 I felt like Peppy last night. |
| 14:14.37 | Osstia | Lopeppeppy: you posted in a thread a year or so ago about 2 books for UI development. "Hackig WoW" and another. Would you still recommend those? |
| 14:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | Totally, Osstia. I own both of them. |
| 14:15.05 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 14:15.06 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 14:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | And you're right Alestane, he thinks you're me. |
| 14:16.17 | Osstia | thanks Lopeppeppy |
| 14:16.38 | Osstia | I need to redeem points n a program here at work, and one choice is amazon gift cards |
| 14:16.47 | alestane | The sad thing is that he's clearly not stupid or ignorant, despite everyone else's attempts to call him a troll. He just places his principles above other peoples' interest in what he has to say. |
| 14:16.49 | Osstia | i think that will buy those 2 books quite easily |
| 14:16.51 | dardack | those books aren't outdated? |
| 14:16.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, you can never ever go wrong with Amazon gift cards! |
| 14:17.02 | Lopeppeppy | dardack, a little, but not uber lots. |
| 14:17.07 | jnwhiteh | HWow is |
| 14:17.10 | dardack | cool |
| 14:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | They still teach you the basics, and you will always need to know how to consult the wiki and other online documentation for the latest bits and bobs. |
| 14:17.36 | Osstia | jnwhiteh: enough to avoid purchasing? I'm am just learning, and looking for all the help I can get |
| 14:17.49 | jnwhiteh | it only has two chapters about _writing_ addons |
| 14:17.57 | dardack | i have leared by doing |
| 14:17.59 | jnwhiteh | the rest are about using and getting addons |
| 14:18.08 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming is still very much relevant tho |
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| 14:20.21 | alestane | I would say jnwhiteh is biased, although I believe he was involved in the writing of HWoW as well (or was that kd3?) |
| 14:20.36 | jnwhiteh | i get a cut of Hwow's profits, because I wrote 1/4 of it |
| 14:20.40 | jnwhiteh | and edited the whole thing |
| 14:20.50 | jnwhiteh | so that should lend _more_ credibility to my claim =) |
| 14:21.01 | jnwhiteh | i'm probably one of the few people in this channel that actually read hwow |
| 14:21.03 | dardack | heh |
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| 14:25.08 | Lopeppeppy | Hey. |
| 14:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | I read-ed it. |
| 14:25.16 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 14:26.19 | Osstia | haha |
| 14:27.07 | Lopeppeppy | sniffs. |
| 14:27.25 | Lopeppeppy | I don't understand it still, but I love it like it's a good little monkey who has been taught not to fling poo at me. |
| 14:39.13 | Kraps | be imba says i should perform well in 10 ulduar heh |
| 14:41.11 | Kraps | lie to me watching tiem |
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| 14:47.35 | |Jelly| | huggles Peppy. |
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| 14:49.07 | dardack | i usually watch lie to me recorded on tuesdays' durign maitenace |
| 14:52.26 | Kraps | hulu ftw |
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| 14:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear. |
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| 14:54.29 | Kraps | cal lightman is off the chain :D |
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| 14:56.47 | |Jelly| | I was totally under the impression that you didn't love me anymore! |
| 14:57.05 | AckisWork | I love you |
| 14:57.07 | AckisWork | now bend over |
| 14:57.10 | AckisWork | speaking of that |
| 14:57.13 | |Jelly| | Oh baby. |
| 14:57.19 | |Jelly| | Don't crash my Rl, plox. |
| 14:57.21 | AckisWork | my kitten tried to give me surprise buttsecks this morning |
| 14:57.35 | AckisWork | he pounced my butt while I was in bed |
| 14:57.36 | |Jelly| | Screenshot or it didn't happen. |
| 14:57.37 | |Jelly| | errrm |
| 14:57.51 | airtonix | lawl |
| 14:58.22 | AckisWork | it was funny tbh |
| 14:58.27 | AckisWork | i wished I could've farted lol |
| 14:58.40 | |Jelly| | dot dot dot |
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| 14:59.21 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | I was being AFK, Jelly-doom. I is at work, you know. :) |
| 15:00.05 | |Jelly| | Work shmork. |
| 15:00.06 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, my cat tried to bite my foot this morning. I hissed at her, she ran away. I am a bigger cat than you are. |
| 15:00.08 | airtonix | tekkub, latest incarnation of engravings is a nice tool for loot council guilds |
| 15:00.20 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: i thought u r peppy!!! |
| 15:00.20 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 15:00.41 | |Jelly| | She's a dinosaur! |
| 15:00.51 | airtonix | and therefore? |
| 15:00.55 | airtonix | not a duck |
| 15:01.10 | |Jelly| | A witch! |
| 15:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | Burn me. |
| 15:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm cold, please do bring on the bonfire. |
| 15:02.10 | |Jelly| | ... I got better |
| 15:02.14 | airtonix | i will not by this record, it is scratched. |
| 15:05.18 | Kraps | buy? |
| 15:09.35 | alestane | See, I think one of the things we lose sight of is that not everyone who brings up something we don't want to talk about or continues to disagree with us is deliberately trying to provoke us. |
| 15:11.21 | |Jelly| | "will wait at least a short while to see if anything comes of that. " -- They're still waiting for a response that may never come. What happens if after a week he still hasn't received a sufficient response? Will he just post again and therefore be in the same situation he's in currently all over again? |
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| 15:12.36 | alestane | "It may be that I'll simply lose the motivation to continue persuing this issue" |
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| 15:13.20 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.30 | Kraps | is this the peggle guy? |
| 15:13.46 | alestane | Loud drilling is loud. |
| 15:15.23 | alestane | |Jelly|: I'll take that over "I will not rest until the evil is vanquished." |
| 15:15.34 | alestane | He's a reasonable fellow, he's just hung up on something. |
| 15:15.34 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320371293519 |
| 15:15.35 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 15:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | and hates to know he can't get an answer. |
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| 15:17.29 | AckisWork | who are we talking aboot? |
| 15:17.49 | |Jelly| | So ... has Google died? lol |
| 15:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, the Peggle-hating guy. |
| 15:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, so I hear. |
| 15:18.37 | alestane | I don't really think he hates Peggle, either. He hates the inconsistency. |
| 15:18.40 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: there's a peggle hating guy? |
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| 15:18.49 | AckisWork | how can you hate peggle?!? |
| 15:18.54 | AckisWork | it's like hating babies! |
| 15:19.09 | Kraps | AckisWork: some people do |
| 15:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's obfuscated, whine whine when. |
| 15:19.15 | alestane | AckisWork: He's not comfortable with the fact that he perceives them as obfuscating their code in defiance of the policy. |
| 15:19.37 | Lopeppeppy | Somewhere in our forums Peggle posted about their addons being okay by Blizz, I thought... couldn't find it to throw in his face. |
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| 15:20.14 | k1net1k | its damn obfuscated, but blizz allowed it |
| 15:20.39 | Lopeppeppy | Because the obfuscation was code compression for optimization, NOT obfuscation to be asshats. |
| 15:20.39 | RockSlice | AckisWork: that ebay poster is asking $800 as a minimum for something that you can't be sure will work? |
| 15:21.06 | k1net1k | bs, its more for being sneaky than being optimized |
| 15:21.31 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever the reason, Bliz allowed it, so I don't care. |
| 15:21.37 | k1net1k | yeah agree |
| 15:22.21 | AckisWork | bah someone was whistling jingle bells here... just because it's snowing outside doesn't mean you can whistle christmas caroles |
| 15:22.56 | Cide | yes, yes it does? |
| 15:23.02 | AckisWork | nah |
| 15:23.04 | Llamabark | unfortunately, the peggle author stated explicitly that they did do it for obfuscation |
| 15:23.05 | Cide | yes, yes it does? |
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| 15:23.13 | AckisWork | snow in may is normal... isn't it? |
| 15:23.21 | zenzelezz | depends where you are |
| 15:23.58 | RockSlice | where are you that you get snow in may? |
| 15:24.08 | Lopeppeppy | Canada, eh. |
| 15:24.09 | Cide | sweden |
| 15:24.15 | Cide | granted, not right now |
| 15:24.18 | Cide | but it's possible for sure |
| 15:24.41 | AckisWork | what aboot canada eh? |
| 15:24.46 | foxlit | the north pole, np. |
| 15:34.11 | dardack | peppy your posts was excellent btw i know i'm late to the conversation |
| 15:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, dardack... you sure you're not confusing Alestane and I like the OP does? :) |
| 15:35.09 | dardack | ok both of you |
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| 15:35.21 | dardack | the response that he's nto gonna get a response |
| 15:35.35 | dardack | i wish people would relize this instead of no response by email, well i'm gonna go post in forums |
| 15:35.38 | dardack | and casue a big ruckus |
| 15:35.50 | Lopeppeppy | Gains them nothing but an ulcer. |
| 15:36.01 | dardack | although i guess i'm kinda guilty cause i am trying to find out if them blocking custom cursors is on purpose or not |
| 15:36.04 | alestane | He might actually get an answer to his email. Even if it's just, "Thanks for emailing us about this." |
| 15:36.10 | dardack | oh well yea |
| 15:36.13 | dardack | but not an answer answer |
| 15:38.16 | dardack | sigh my firned is luckist person with mounts, and i wish i could transfer bought mounts from one toon to another |
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| 15:42.13 | Kraps | dr. cal lightman > chuck norris |
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| 15:45.01 | Cide | he's pretty pro |
| 15:45.14 | Kraps | yep |
| 15:46.02 | Gnarfoz | cal rocks ;o |
| 15:46.53 | Kraps | firefly tiem |
| 15:47.04 | Gnarfoz | you randomly watch firefly? |
| 15:47.27 | kneeki | Gnarfoz, I just watched the whole season with my wife the other day. I really wish they made more |
| 15:48.27 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: naw, i just watched this weeks lie to me, now firefly where i left off |
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| 15:49.20 | dardack | my wife loves firefly |
| 15:49.25 | dardack | we random watch at diff times |
| 15:49.39 | dardack | yea i got lie to me for tuesday |
| 15:49.58 | dardack | haven'te watched fringe yet tho |
| 15:50.03 | dardack | guess i could go do that |
| 15:50.11 | Kraps | dardack: even though you finished it? :) |
| 15:50.17 | kneeki | dardack, Fringe is a good one as well |
| 15:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | I hear good things about Fringe, sadly, it's not on hulu from the start. |
| 15:50.23 | Kraps | firefly i mean |
| 15:50.31 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy, It's on the interwebs from the start |
| 15:50.47 | dardack | kraps: your asking even though i finished firefly we still watch? |
| 15:50.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'll go looking for it, kneeki, a lot of people think I'll adore it. |
| 15:50.56 | Kraps | dardack: yeah |
| 15:50.58 | dardack | yea you can find fringe it's only in it's first season |
| 15:51.16 | Osstia | I like fringe more and more as the season has progressed |
| 15:51.18 | dardack | oh yea it's one of her fav shows, prolly the first sci fi i introduced to her when dating friday nights |
| 15:51.23 | dardack | osstia: me too |
| 15:51.33 | dardack | she wanted to go see star trek mroe then me |
| 15:51.45 | dardack | after watching it, she went on netflix and added tng seasons to her queue |
| 15:51.56 | dardack | and the orginal movies (except the first one which IMO sux monkey) |
| 15:52.28 | dardack | we also randomly watch serenity and select star wars |
| 15:53.16 | Kraps | kneeki: fringe isnt even on fully at fox.com :O |
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| 15:53.54 | kneeki | Kraps, It's on torrent sites. |
| 15:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Peppy has not learned to torrent yet. :) |
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| 15:54.36 | mikma | lopeppeppy: 1) download and install uTorrent 2) download .torrent link and open it with uTorrent. win win. |
| 15:54.52 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy, Download uTorrent (utorrent.com) isntall it, then go here: http://thepiratebay.org/search/Fringe/0/7/0 |
| 15:54.53 | Osstia | 3) wait, then on to the win win |
| 15:54.54 | Kraps | torrents are like a sticky goo you cant really get a hold of |
| 15:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | I've gotten as far as putting uTorrent on the computer, never went further. |
| 15:54.57 | dardack | depends on how you feel about the legality of tv shows from torrents |
| 15:55.06 | Lopeppeppy | And since I've been hearing evil about pirate by, I just... never went there. |
| 15:55.11 | mikma | like jessica simpson says: "it's that simple!" |
| 15:55.16 | Gnarfoz | evil, hahaha |
| 15:55.19 | Kraps | mininova.org |
| 15:55.37 | k1net1k | isohunt while its still there |
| 15:55.40 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy, Going to pirate bay is not illegal, downloading the torrents is also not illegal. But using those torrents to download (some) material, might be illegal |
| 15:55.44 | mikma | thepiratebay.org ^^ |
| 15:56.00 | kneeki | http://www.thepirategoogle.com/ |
| 15:56.02 | kneeki | ^ |
| 15:56.03 | k1net1k | hell the blizz downloader is a torrent |
| 15:56.05 | dardack | thepiratebay roxors |
| 15:56.12 | k1net1k | its just "what" you download |
| 15:56.18 | dardack | but yea i love torrents, just depends on how you feel about what you download |
| 15:56.20 | kneeki | or http://www.google.com/cse?cx=003849996876419856805:erhhdbygrma&ie=UTF-8&q=&sa=Search ;) |
| 15:56.33 | mikma | http://thepiratebay.org/search/world%20of%20warcraft%20guides/0/99/0 |
| 15:56.38 | mikma | like so :D |
| 15:57.04 | airtonix | haste, if i want to modify text in the tooltip for an aura icon, would i be right to create : button:SetScript("onMouseOver", function(self,mouseButton) [[dostuff]] end) in PostCreateAuraIcon ? |
| 15:57.24 | AckisWork | someone recommend a good rss feed thingy for firefox/ |
| 15:57.38 | Lopeppeppy | I use Bloglines... |
| 15:57.54 | dardack | i did not know that amazon offered pay on demand tv shows |
| 15:58.05 | AckisWork | I was using sage but went and got sage too now everything got screwed |
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| 15:58.48 | salocin_coding | lol i didnt even realize im in the topic |
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| 16:00.14 | airtonix | AckisWork, not happy with the deafult way firefox deals with rss? |
| 16:00.51 | AckisWork | airtonix: didn't know it had a default way... |
| 16:01.00 | airtonix | AckisWork, its does |
| 16:01.15 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 16:01.50 | airtonix | AckisWork, there was a fairly imba flash file around that did very good as an rss brower |
| 16:02.04 | airtonix | can't remember what it was called though |
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| 16:04.07 | Hirsute | Wow... I just checked the official UI/Macro forums.... for the first time in weeks, I'm not seeing any threads on the front page with "WoWMatrix" in the title. |
| 16:05.07 | amro | Hirsute: you can only beat a dead horse for so long before the stench suffocates you |
| 16:05.23 | nevcairiel | that can't be right, there must be some glitch |
| 16:05.25 | Hirsute | amro: Aye, I'm glad people are finally suffocating a bit. |
| 16:05.30 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: heh |
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| 16:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | New dead horse = obfuscation |
| 16:07.45 | Hirsute-Away | Lopeppeppy: That's more of an intermittently resurrected horse. It keeps getting killed and forgotten and brought back. |
| 16:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | Necro horse still smells bad. :) |
| 16:08.46 | dardack | mmmmmmmm necro horse |
| 16:08.54 | Lopeppeppy | You cook it then. :P |
| 16:09.38 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090218.gif |
| 16:10.39 | kneeki | Even though I am inheriting from 'ActionButtonTemplate', do I still need to use 'local t = button:CreateTexture(); button.Icon = t' before I can use a SetTexture() on that Icon? |
| 16:11.58 | Lunessa | Mmmmm... Zombie Horse. |
| 16:12.14 | Lopeppeppy | It's just a dream, lunessa, go back to sleep |
| 16:12.38 | Lunessa | Do zombie horses crave the hay of the living? |
| 16:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Ikea furniture |
| 16:12.51 | devXiro | ew |
| 16:13.17 | Lunessa | ZOMG - Zombie Horse - Interior Decorator! Next on FOX! |
| 16:14.20 | dardack | kneeki: did you figure out yoru scalign icon problem? |
| 16:14.41 | kneeki | dardack, Still working on them. I did manage to fix a few other issues however |
| 16:14.58 | dardack | so removing set all points dind't fix it? |
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| 16:15.05 | kneeki | Well, it did to a point |
| 16:15.26 | kneeki | If I remove set all points, the buttons look like they should, all skinned and whatnot. But, they are empty, with no spell in them |
| 16:16.08 | dardack | can you poist an ss of it? |
| 16:16.30 | kneeki | sure, sec |
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| 16:18.20 | kneeki | http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot051409091728.jpg |
| 16:18.36 | kneeki | The buttons on the right with the item count of 30's all over them are the one's not working correctly |
| 16:18.44 | kneeki | along the bottom of the screen as well, that blank row |
| 16:19.18 | mikma | how in the hell can i block those Partypoker adds? |
| 16:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | Where, mikma? |
| 16:19.42 | dardack | where? |
| 16:20.08 | mikma | wowhead.com, when you search something it opens up a new browser with partypoker |
| 16:20.15 | mikma | yes, i have block popups on |
| 16:20.20 | Lopeppeppy | Are you using AdBlock and NoScript? |
| 16:20.22 | Kraps | "mercy is the mark of a great man" <pokes with sword> "guess i'm just a good man" <pokes again> "well i'm alright" ROFLMAO |
| 16:20.25 | dardack | i use adblock/flasbock/noscript |
| 16:20.39 | Robsato | I don't know how to block them, but I made a Greasemonkey script that closes any partypoker window when it has opened. |
| 16:20.54 | dardack | are those a different set than say your defined blizzard? or is it mix? |
| 16:21.06 | Lopeppeppy | Popups have entered a new level of sophistication lately, I've noticed, they can get around some things. |
| 16:21.15 | dardack | wait on wowhead? |
| 16:21.31 | dardack | i get no popups on wowhead |
| 16:21.40 | Lopeppeppy | I don't visit wowhead, i was speaking in general. |
| 16:21.41 | dardack | not even a message that they tried to open one |
| 16:21.50 | kneeki | dardack, Mmm, those buttons are hard coded, you cannot click and drag them off and swap them around like you can in blizzard frames. That's a project I'd love to tackle in the future, but I have to fix these issues first |
| 16:22.04 | mikma | wowhead and wowinterface both give me the partypoker.com adds |
| 16:22.10 | dardack | so the ones working are hard coded? |
| 16:22.26 | dardack | peppy, i know: 12:20]<mikma>wowhead.com, when you search something it opens up a new browser with partypoker |
| 16:22.27 | mikma | when i type something in the search and press enter it opens a new browser for partypoker.com |
| 16:22.28 | Lopeppeppy | I use NoScript and Adblocker, so I don't get anything like that on wowinterface, mikma. |
| 16:22.39 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090119.gif |
| 16:22.41 | dardack | i'm gonna open E at work and see |
| 16:22.55 | mikma | lopeppeppy: i'm gonna google about those adds and then test the plugins if nothing helps |
| 16:22.56 | kneeki | dardack, The non-working ones are hard coded. the 'blizzard' buttons are working fine |
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| 16:23.09 | dardack | mikma i think you have something installed |
| 16:23.12 | mikma | http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=tr&comments_parentId=207666&forumId=1 |
| 16:23.17 | dardack | cause i just opened E and searched, nothing happened |
| 16:23.24 | mikma | dardack: it doesn't happen all the time |
| 16:23.32 | mikma | like 1/5 or less |
| 16:23.43 | mikma | but it's really fucking annoying cause the PP gets the focus |
| 16:23.51 | dardack | kneeki: what about class buttons you defined? |
| 16:24.07 | kneeki | dardack, What do you mean? |
| 16:24.20 | dardack | don't you have 2 buttons defined class/blizzard or something? |
| 16:24.32 | kneeki | hmm |
| 16:24.46 | mikma | apparently megavideo also has the same partypoker adds |
| 16:25.01 | mikma | "yes it is mega video.. and actually even if you press on the bottom left corner, party poker STILL shows up . or sometimes it's adult friend finder..." |
| 16:25.15 | nevcairiel | it knows what you want, mikma |
| 16:25.16 | dardack | i don't have that issue |
| 16:25.19 | kneeki | kind of. The problem I was having yesterday was incorporating blizzard buttons with BF along with my buttons. My buttons have never really worked well with BF, because of this Icon issue. |
| 16:25.23 | mikma | ^- aduly friend finder pops up with imageshack links |
| 16:25.42 | kneeki | dardack, My buttons do nothing at all to blizzard buttons. Give me a sec, I'll color them differently with BF so you can see which are which easier |
| 16:28.03 | kneeki | http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot051409092730.jpg <- my broken buttons are red, blizzard (which work fine) are blue |
| 16:28.16 | dardack | kneeki: using carb? they offer the "free" light version still, i never liked their full version |
| 16:28.33 | kneeki | dardack, It's all free now |
| 16:28.37 | jnwhiteh | they still offer the lite version? |
| 16:28.45 | dardack | yea but i don't like the full version |
| 16:28.48 | dardack | i want the lite version |
| 16:28.50 | jnwhiteh | me neither |
| 16:28.58 | jnwhiteh | ah its not on wowi |
| 16:29.00 | jnwhiteh | boo |
| 16:29.23 | dardack | kneeki in that second ss did you add back in set all pionts? |
| 16:30.10 | jnwhiteh | dardack: where do you see alink to download carbonite quest? |
| 16:30.14 | kneeki | dardack, I did, yeah |
| 16:30.33 | dardack | jnwhiteh: i dont', was asking kneeki if they still offered lite |
| 16:30.38 | dardack | cause in their ss i saw it |
| 16:30.39 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 16:30.41 | jnwhiteh | my bad |
| 16:31.07 | kneeki | =) |
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| 16:33.14 | dardack | and kneeki it looks like you have lite, is it still supported? |
| 16:33.27 | kneeki | dardack, I don't know. The version I got was from WoWI |
| 16:33.48 | kneeki | I changed the options up a bit though, which takes forever since they don't offer very good detail on what each option does. |
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| 16:37.45 | dardack | oh maybe that's it then |
| 16:37.51 | dardack | kneeki can you post the link to your code |
| 16:38.30 | kneeki | dardack, http://www.wowi.pastey.net/114207 , that's the entire function |
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| 16:43.21 | dardack | kneeki have you tried after set all points, getheight getwidth then set the height and width to previous get fucntions divided by 1.5? |
| 16:43.30 | dardack | and change the 1.5 till it looks right |
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| 16:44.00 | kneeki | I havn't yet, but what would dividing by 1.5 do? |
| 16:44.46 | Cide | undo a +50% increase |
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| 16:45.01 | Cide | for example. |
| 16:45.08 | kneeki | Ah |
| 16:45.24 | dardack | the only other option is to figure out the math to make your square texture a circle with Texture:SetTexCoord |
| 16:45.31 | Cide | it would also be equivalent to multiplying by 2/3 |
| 16:45.41 | Cide | er |
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| 16:45.44 | dardack | yea 50% migh tbe too m |
| 16:45.47 | dardack | you mean .5 |
| 16:45.55 | dardack | or 1/2 |
| 16:45.55 | Cide | what? |
| 16:46.03 | Cide | are |
| 16:46.03 | Cide | you |
| 16:46.03 | Cide | talking about |
| 16:46.17 | Cide | if you're talking about my example at all |
| 16:46.19 | Cide | if not, carry on |
| 16:46.26 | dardack | undo a 50% increase would not be * by 2/3 but .5 (1/2) |
| 16:46.31 | Gnarfoz | can someone point me to... what exactly changed with ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter()? |
| 16:46.34 | Cide | dardack: wrong. |
| 16:46.42 | Cide | x*1.5/1.5 == x, no? |
| 16:46.46 | Cide | x*1.5/2 != x |
| 16:47.03 | Cide | oh no he didn't. |
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| 16:47.32 | k1net1k | one third of two is two thirds of one |
| 16:47.33 | dardack | yea sorry |
| 16:47.36 | dardack | i'm tired |
| 16:47.40 | dardack | 2/3 is right |
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| 16:48.29 | Cide | k1net1k: there's a reason math isn't language |
| 16:48.33 | Cide | or rather |
| 16:48.47 | Cide | math isn't written in english |
| 16:48.54 | Cide | or any other spoken language for that matter |
| 16:49.06 | kneeki | Should I be using Icon you think? Or NormalTexture. I really don't understand the difference between the two |
| 16:50.20 | dardack | not sure, my thoughts were that you sized the texture, but you still need to fit inside a circle |
| 16:50.29 | dardack | so you need to figure out the math for Texture:SetTexCoord to make it a circle |
| 16:50.32 | dardack | or scale it smaller |
| 16:50.33 | kneeki | dardack, Yup, that's what I'm trying to do |
| 16:50.49 | dardack | you shouldn't have to change your code much |
| 16:50.53 | dardack | after your setallpoints |
| 16:51.06 | dardack | local h=t:getheight() |
| 16:51.17 | dardack | local w=t.getwidth() |
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| 16:51.32 | kneeki | Aye, that's what i'm doing |
| 16:51.42 | kneeki | But the icon's dont seem to be changing much... |
| 16:51.43 | dardack | than t:setheight(h/1.5) or we/e |
| 16:51.53 | dardack | try a higher number |
| 16:51.57 | kneeki | Actually, they arn't changing at all |
| 16:52.00 | dardack | hmm |
| 16:52.03 | kneeki | I have, I'm up to 2.0, no change |
| 16:52.09 | kneeki | I'm changing button.Icon |
| 16:54.26 | kneeki | It sure would be awesome if I knew what was wrong, or what I'm doing wrong. |
| 16:54.32 | kneeki | Quite frustrating |
| 16:55.12 | dardack | you could try to see if Texture:SetTexCoord works by rotating the square and if it's rotated you know that that works, http://www.wowi.pastey.net/114208 |
| 16:55.25 | dardack | that's from wowwiki |
| 16:56.02 | dardack | anyways i gots to eat |
| 16:56.07 | dardack | maybe watch some fringe |
| 16:56.46 | kneeki | k, th anks for your help |
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| 17:02.32 | Osstia | Is wowwiki still the best resource for update API information? |
| 17:03.29 | mikma | no |
| 17:04.29 | durcyn | i'd check wowprogramming first |
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| 17:13.28 | Kraps | is there an updated addon similar to this? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7164-AddonManager.html |
| 17:13.55 | Seerah | OptionlessHouse |
| 17:13.57 | Lopeppeppy | I think that Addon Manager still works fine, according to the author notes. |
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| 17:14.52 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: its not in my Esc window |
| 17:15.31 | kneeki | Installing and Updating windows is a tedius time consuming task. Especially if you have SATA driver issues -_- |
| 17:15.44 | durcyn | kneeki: slipstream imo |
| 17:15.59 | kneeki | durcyn, different hardware configurations =( |
| 17:16.00 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, is it in your addons menu at the character screen? |
| 17:16.18 | durcyn | kneeki: you can slipstream multiple drivers, though? |
| 17:16.30 | kneeki | mmm, true |
| 17:18.02 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: yep, it comes up as out of date. and checking use out of date addons doesnt help |
| 17:18.17 | airtonix | dardack, http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/04/conky-like-desktop-info-application.html |
| 17:18.33 | airtonix | Utilises webkit html rendering engine and supports images, javascript and flash |
| 17:19.13 | dardack | nice |
| 17:19.18 | dardack | you try it out yet/ |
| 17:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | That is unfun, Kraps, I'm sorry. |
| 17:20.05 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: no problem, i'll try out what Seerah said |
| 17:20.12 | dardack | airtonix: i might try that out when i ge thome |
| 17:23.36 | jnwhiteh | Osstia: use can use the !api command here |
| 17:23.38 | jnwhiteh | i.e. |
| 17:23.40 | jnwhiteh | !api UnitHealth |
| 17:23.40 | lua_bot | UnitHealth: Returns the amount of health the unit has. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitHealth) |
| 17:24.00 | kneeki | Uggghhhh |
| 17:24.19 | Osstia | jnwhiteh thanks |
| 17:24.26 | durcyn | Kraps: framexml.log turn up anything meaningful? |
| 17:24.33 | jnwhiteh | or via PM's to lua_bot |
| 17:24.38 | kneeki | How do I return Icon from 'button.Icon' if I don't use CreateTexture() first? Since it's already created in the inherit? |
| 17:25.01 | Kraps | durcyn: hmm? |
| 17:26.44 | alestane | kneeki: What? |
| 17:27.20 | widgertick | alestane: 10 points! |
| 17:27.28 | kneeki | if I use: 'button.Icon:SetTexture(GetSpellTexture(theSpell))', i get: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 17:27.44 | jnwhiteh | kneeki: its named |
| 17:27.51 | jnwhiteh | do a global lookup on the name |
| 17:27.53 | alestane | kneeki: _G[button:GetName().."Icon"]:SetTexture. |
| 17:28.00 | Adys | Slashdot users are so full of shit it's unbelievable. |
| 17:28.06 | jnwhiteh | the same way the template code does it =) |
| 17:28.14 | alestane | The parentKey isn't in, and won't work until3.2 anyway. |
| 17:28.19 | kneeki | Aww |
| 17:28.22 | kneeki | Some times |
| 17:28.26 | kneeki | I'm so retarded |
| 17:28.35 | Adys | are you a slashdot user kneeki ? |
| 17:28.56 | kneeki | Adys, I visit the site frequently, I think I created an account way back when |
| 17:29.06 | Adys | talking about commenters |
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| 17:29.40 | kneeki | Ah, I do not comment on much any site |
| 17:29.53 | Adys | matter of fact most people who comment on the internet are full of shit |
| 17:30.03 | kneeki | If I did, it would kill the interwebs. A lot of the time what I mean to say, and what I type out, are far from the same |
| 17:30.12 | Adys | but slashdot commenters got this little one-more-thing that makes them full of shit AND believing so strongly they're right because they use slashdot |
| 17:30.20 | AckisWork | if I do: ARLDatamineTT:SetMerchantItem(i) <-- I can then do a ARLDatamineTT:GetText() and put that into local _,_,ID = string.find(ItemID, "item:(%d+)") to get the item ID that's created? |
| 17:30.30 | Adys | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/14/1410200&from=rss |
| 17:30.32 | Adys | comments on that |
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| 17:32.14 | dardack | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.44 | Osstia | I read slashdot daily in the late 90's early 2000's, but I haven't for a few years |
| 17:32.54 | Osstia | I got annoyed by the same things |
| 17:34.24 | Adys | Do the words "TraceMonkey" mean anything to the authors? It's the core Javascript engine of the upcoming revision of Firefox. And it is fast. Some benchmarks suggest that it is highly competitive with V8 (Chrome) and SquirrelFish (Safari). |
| 17:34.26 | Adys | yes |
| 17:34.27 | Adys | of course |
| 17:34.44 | Adys | i totally forgot firefox was just here to display javascript and NOTHING could EVER make it an annoying browser |
| 17:36.08 | Kirov | I really like google chrome because it gets out of the way of browsing. |
| 17:36.16 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyjamas_%28software%29 |
| 17:36.18 | Adys | aaiiieeeeeee |
| 17:36.26 | Adys | .. soiled my underwear reading that page |
| 17:36.28 | Kirov | I tend to use firefox because of gesture support. |
| 17:37.38 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 17:37.48 | Adys | extensions are getting ready for chrome |
| 17:37.55 | kneeki | After installing Carbonite 3.1.2, I'm having quite a bit more CPU usage |
| 17:38.01 | Adys | there already are some pretty complex ones out there |
| 17:38.05 | kneeki | and it uses on average 6MB of ram -_- |
| 17:38.14 | kneeki | well, of memory |
| 17:38.30 | Lunessa | Chrome needs improvements - tabs need to display more of the name. |
| 17:38.34 | Kirov | Adys - I didn't see very many complex extensions, but I didn't look too hard. All of the examples they had on the site were kind of lame. |
| 17:39.09 | Kirov | "add random information to the browser's status bar" |
| 17:39.09 | Adys | they were released like this week |
| 17:39.20 | Adys | theres a better ui being written right now |
| 17:39.31 | foxlit | wonder if pre-Patchwerk trash pulls with patchwerk |
| 17:39.56 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 17:40.13 | Kraps | nui is a compilation right? |
| 17:41.11 | foxlit | right |
| 17:41.15 | foxlit | and wrong |
| 17:41.25 | Kraps | ok.... |
| 17:41.40 | Kraps | elaborate? |
| 17:42.31 | foxlit | I believe there are some off-the-shelf component addons |
| 17:43.14 | foxlit | But there's also a large amount of glue holding everything together |
| 17:43.25 | foxlit | iirc, it installs like an addon |
| 17:43.38 | foxlit | Rather than the copy-your-wtf mess |
| 17:43.46 | Osstia | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/14/1410200&from=rss |
| 17:43.53 | Osstia | oops. sorry |
| 17:44.14 | Kraps | foxlit: it does |
| 17:44.29 | dardack | i like chrome, just needs to get more robust with extensions |
| 17:44.36 | foxlit | So the question becomes more of "what do you think is a compilation" |
| 17:44.48 | Kraps | cosmos |
| 17:45.07 | foxlit | Is it that someone's already made a prepackaged UI? Is it that it's composed of multiple components? Is it that it's all based on some library? Is it that it provides more than one function? |
| 17:45.32 | dardack | nui is a bit of both |
| 17:45.38 | dardack | compulation of mods |
| 17:45.46 | dardack | along with own coding |
| 17:45.51 | dardack | well not mine |
| 17:46.13 | Seerah | Kraps: everything included with the nUI download is custom code. No other addons included. It *is* an addon. It also has support/config code for a wide variety of addons that users like to use with nUI |
| 17:46.14 | dardack | i still ike my ui alot |
| 17:46.26 | dardack | seerah said it |
| 17:46.31 | dardack | like i can't |
| 17:46.36 | dardack | cause i can't type/talk well |
| 17:46.45 | Seerah | (12:45:38 PM) dardack: compulation of mods <--- no |
| 17:46.47 | foxlit | Seerah: but, within that addon, is there code from other addons? :) |
| 17:46.55 | Seerah | hrmm |
| 17:47.06 | dardack | yea seerah i know, i just knew it tied into others |
| 17:47.16 | dardack | so i apologize for my mistyping |
| 17:47.16 | Kraps | wondering if its worth messing up my ui as it is now to test nui |
| 17:47.18 | foxlit | I could package Bardender inside a "fooUI" folder, and it'd still work :) |
| 17:47.28 | Seerah | foxlit: it *used* to include Bartender |
| 17:47.51 | foxlit | I am not, and have never used it. So it's all conjecture from my side :) |
| 17:48.06 | Seerah | looking at the files right now |
| 17:48.12 | dardack | i just know from reading the authors post on the ui forum |
| 17:48.21 | Seerah | it's all custom |
| 17:49.08 | Seerah | but it has config code like MazzleUI did for other addons |
| 17:49.23 | dardack | Currently supports integration of Titan Panel, FuBar, Mob-Info2, Recount, Omen3, KLH Threat Meter and Threat 2.0. nUI is compatible with nearly all third party mods including popular mods such as DBM, Auctioneer, Grid, Healbot, SCT, etc. |
| 17:49.37 | Seerah | hence all the threads in the nUI forums for Omen, etc etc |
| 17:49.53 | dardack | anyways |
| 17:50.11 | dardack | i like hardcoding in oUF, i get more FPS's from that than xperl/pitbull |
| 17:50.27 | Kraps | i'm at the Group Memberships page in wowi, how do i go to a groups page that im already in? |
| 17:52.38 | Kraps | halp |
| 17:52.57 | dardack | sorry don't use wowi, will prolly switch once minion goes beta |
| 17:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | I don't belong to any groups on WoWI, so I dunno. |
| 17:53.03 | dardack | but i got stuck at curse years ago |
| 17:53.10 | Kraps | oy |
| 17:53.21 | Seerah | I'm not sure what you mean by "groups page" |
| 17:54.02 | Kraps | k, i'm a member of nUI+ User Group, how do i get to their page? |
| 17:54.24 | Shirik | Data contained in this email may be subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR) or the Export Administration Regulation (EAR) of 1979. Regulated data may not be exported, released, or disclosed to foreign nationals inside or outside the United States without obtaining the prior written approval of Insitu Inc. and licenses as required by the U.S. Department of State. |
| 17:54.31 | Shirik | I fail to see why an HR person would need to put that in her email |
| 17:54.39 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=86? |
| 17:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | Their forum section? |
| 17:54.55 | Kraps | oh thanks |
| 17:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | That was just listed in the forum list, Kraps... |
| 17:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | Under the Featured Projects section. |
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| 17:56.20 | Kraps | why yes it is |
| 17:56.20 | Kraps | i must be a bigger nub than i thought |
| 17:56.45 | Fisker- | [19:55:09][Raid] [Fiskerdin]: Skada report on Damage for Current fight, 19:51:41 to 19:55:08: |
| 17:56.45 | Fisker- | [19:55:09][Raid] [Fiskerdin]: 1. Fiskerdin 26.70M (135546.1, 22.7%) |
| 17:56.47 | Fisker- | OH YEAH |
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| 17:58.34 | WhiteWolf | Shirik: their mail server probably enforces it |
| 18:01.22 | dardack | fisker what fight is that? |
| 18:01.56 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I see a lot of those here at the college from HR as well. Legalese for "omg don't forward this like a monkey" |
| 18:02.06 | AckisWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5cF_PFLr34&NR=1 rofl |
| 18:03.01 | dardack | sucky it kitty |
| 18:03.12 | Osstia | lol |
| 18:03.17 | Osstia | teh bunneh wins! |
| 18:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | Bunneh always triumphs |
| 18:03.55 | dardack | peppy: yeah i love the ones that have abunch of legalease than say something like if you've recevied this in error, like i can go into my brain and forget what i just read |
| 18:04.56 | Lopeppeppy | Legalese is always funny that way. |
| 18:05.08 | Fisker- | flame leviathan obviously dardack :P |
| 18:05.30 | dardack | i thought so fisker, just wasn't 100% possitive |
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| 18:24.04 | Shirik | lolol |
| 18:24.13 | Adys | *zips back* |
| 18:24.25 | Shirik | So someone on SecurityFocus reported a "bug" in acer laptops where they do not set the Administrator password for windows |
| 18:24.29 | Shirik | (like every other computer) |
| 18:24.47 | Shirik | The security vulnerability being that anyone with physical access can get in as administrator |
| 18:25.28 | Shirik | Best response so far: "I'd like to report a vulnerability. Anyone with physical access to my computer can * Steal my laptop, * Pour a frappucino on the keyboard, * Cover it with smiley face stickers" |
| 18:25.31 | NeoTron | Fisker-: Flame Leviathan - the only fight where a ret pally does decent damage? :P |
| 18:26.09 | dardack | tshirik: i know, i love it as a forensic investigator when we seize comptuers in search warrants |
| 18:26.18 | dardack | like 99% of the time can VM ware it and still get in as admin |
| 18:26.42 | Shirik | one of the other interesting responses, "Of course, having XP home may be considered a vulnerability in and of itself, but that is another matter. " |
| 18:27.10 | durcyn | ~google ntpasswd |
| 18:27.24 | Shirik | I used to use a linux tool to reset the admin password |
| 18:27.31 | Shirik | when I worked for Best Buy and had users that would set it |
| 18:27.45 | Shirik | but unfortunately that erases encrypted data |
| 18:27.51 | Shirik | not acceptable for you dardack |
| 18:27.57 | dardack | what isn't? |
| 18:27.58 | Lunessa | so, I got the plea from a professor to convert a file for him from clarisworks to something he can use on his windows box because it's supposed to be a letter or recommendation for his tenure application. I convert the file and open it to look for artifacts. It's not the letter of recommendation - it's instructions to HR about how to handle the recommender's pay distributions and taxes. /facepalm |
| 18:28.01 | Shirik | loss of data |
| 18:28.28 | durcyn | it's pretty easy to tell when EFS is in use though |
| 18:28.37 | dardack | oh yea not acceptable |
| 18:28.44 | dardack | everything has to be hooked up through write blockers |
| 18:28.48 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:28.53 | dardack | document every step of life |
| 18:29.00 | dardack | i work with ex cop |
| 18:29.00 | Shirik | my mom actually works (well, worked) as a compliance officer |
| 18:29.06 | dardack | he does more paper work now than on murders |
| 18:29.11 | Shirik | so she tells me stories of these types of things all the time :) |
| 18:29.42 | NeoTron | I saw this cool UPS-thing that was designed to move computers without shutting them down, for forensic reasons (to prevent disk encryption and such) |
| 18:29.47 | Shirik | that is, with regards to compliance investigations |
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| 18:30.00 | dardack | eh we shut em down |
| 18:30.06 | dardack | now we have used USB sticks to grab memory dumps |
| 18:30.09 | dardack | before shut down |
| 18:30.17 | Shirik | she now works for FINRA |
| 18:31.02 | theorbtwo | Note to self: If I ever have data that I really don't want to get out, rig explosives to destroy the drives if the power fails. |
| 18:31.16 | theorbtwo | Even better, if power fails, or accelerometer says it's being moved. |
| 18:31.41 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 18:31.43 | Fisker- | give me the code |
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| 18:32.01 | Shirik | if (name == "Fisker-") then executeSelfDestruct(); end |
| 18:32.07 | Fisker- | no |
| 18:32.07 | Fisker- | u |
| 18:32.20 | NeoTron | dardack: might not help for full-disk-password-on-boot protection no? |
| 18:32.38 | dardack | reset the motherboard |
| 18:32.54 | NeoTron | not bios password |
| 18:33.05 | NeoTron | full disk encryption with a startup pass phrase required |
| 18:33.26 | theorbtwo | NeoTron: If you have the drives, and the RAM dump, you just need to be able to put the two together, and it's like you never turned it off. |
| 18:33.41 | theorbtwo | That's not hard to do with a decent VM, I should think. |
| 18:34.25 | dardack | your talking like pointsec or something? |
| 18:34.53 | Fisker- | so why so lies Shirik ? |
| 18:34.54 | NeoTron | dardack: don't know what pointsec is - I'm thinking linux |
| 18:35.17 | dardack | no |
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| 18:35.33 | dardack | windows based full HD encryption |
| 18:35.36 | theorbtwo | I'm betting the USB key RAM dump thing doesn't work on linux anyway. |
| 18:35.54 | NeoTron | dardack: I'm not talking about windows. I'm talking about Linux |
| 18:35.58 | NeoTron | i don't care about windows :p |
| 18:36.22 | dardack | oh |
| 18:36.26 | NeoTron | theorbtwo: you'd probably need root access to copy the memory of a linux box |
| 18:36.31 | dardack | well sorry we use piontsec at work to protect data |
| 18:36.36 | theorbtwo | NeoTron: Yes. |
| 18:37.03 | Shirik | dardack: My mom uses something else |
| 18:37.05 | Shirik | I forget what it's called |
| 18:37.09 | Shirik | but also full drive encryption |
| 18:37.30 | theorbtwo | You need Administrator access on a windows box. The USB key thing, if it's the one I think, is a windows exploit wrapped up in an autorun.exe, I think. |
| 18:37.41 | Llamabark | just code it all as a shader app and decrypt only on the video card :p |
| 18:37.47 | theorbtwo | doesn't really know what he's talking about, though. |
| 18:38.32 | dardack | you don't need admin on a windows box to dump the memory |
| 18:38.40 | dardack | at least in my experience |
| 18:38.51 | dardack | oh yea the autorun.exe |
| 18:38.57 | dardack | sorry didn't read your whole sentence |
| 18:39.05 | Fisker- | Shirik is a liar! |
| 18:39.10 | Lopeppeppy | is tired of alumni stuff. |
| 18:39.11 | dardack | you can slide the usb key in, it auto dumps walk away with it and no one knwos |
| 18:39.15 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:39.58 | Shirik | you know what would be interesting |
| 18:40.06 | dardack | but anyways full disk encruption with a warrant you can compel the password from em |
| 18:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | There's an entire alumni division on campus, why do departments have to keep huge databases of their alumni too? And without ever using that info for anything at all? |
| 18:40.18 | Shirik | make a little USB stick that's so small you can't see it (like those new mouses by Logitech) |
| 18:40.25 | Shirik | sneak it into someone's computer at a coffee shop or something |
| 18:40.26 | Fisker- | boom boom boom Shirik is a n00b |
| 18:40.34 | dardack | i personally use truecrypt with a dumpy partition within, so you unencrypt the one and they think you gave it to them, but there is a hidden one |
| 18:40.35 | Shirik | and have it start logging activity |
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| 18:41.33 | dardack | and theoretically there is no way to prove there is a dummy partion hiding the real one |
| 18:42.58 | Dashkal | Didn't they come up with a new way to identify encrypted encrypted data vs encrypted random data? I remember something on /. a couple months back. |
| 18:43.39 | theorbtwo | Dashkal: That'd be considered a *major* weakness in the crypto. |
| 18:43.54 | nicoli_s | 99% of the articles on slashdot are about this super cool new thing coming out soon, but you never seem to see the "that cool thing finally came out" posts |
| 18:44.43 | foxlit | 97.6% of statistics are silly. |
| 18:44.49 | Dashkal | I was off the mark, but only by so much: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/30/201222 |
| 18:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone answer me this |
| 18:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | If a truecrypt partition is properly "hidden" - how does truecrypt find it? |
| 18:45.28 | dardack | you tell it, you need the password/passowrd file |
| 18:45.30 | dardack | or somethign |
| 18:45.34 | foxlit | "It works by detecting hidden patterns that don't exist in a random file." |
| 18:45.36 | dardack | i don't know the inner workings of it |
| 18:45.37 | Shirik | it decrypts based off your password |
| 18:45.38 | foxlit | whee! |
| 18:45.51 | dardack | but it needs the password/files you used to find it |
| 18:46.09 | Shirik | if you specify the wrong password, it will decrypt wrong and won't find it |
| 18:46.20 | Dashkal | heh, only a couple weeks back. My ability to date memories is fail |
| 18:46.21 | Shirik | (I assume instead of saying 'I didn't find it' it just says 'your password is wrong') |
| 18:47.21 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Well, it'd better say "your password is wrong" on a machine that doesn't have a truecrypt partition too... |
| 18:47.40 | dardack | and i find it hard to believe that slashdot article being 100% accurate, how many companies make that clame but you can't test it unless you buy |
| 18:47.41 | foxlit | Hey hey |
| 18:47.45 | Shirik | I assume it would, thekip |
| 18:47.48 | Shirik | theorbtwo |
| 18:48.09 | foxlit | There should be a hole in the other partitions where there wouldn't be one otherwise |
| 18:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | If a TrueCrypt volume hosts a hidden volume (within its free space), the header of the hidden volume is located at the byte #65536 of the host volume |
| 18:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | If there is no hidden volume within a TrueCrypt volume, the bytes 65536–131071 of the volume (i.e., the area where the header of a hidden volume can reside) contain random data |
| 18:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | or in short |
| 18:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "There it is, now give us the password or you win 5 years in prison" |
| 18:49.55 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I assume you need the password to find that |
| 18:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | disagree |
| 18:50.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/volume-format-specification |
| 18:50.59 | Shirik | well that's stupid |
| 18:51.02 | Shirik | then it's not hidden |
| 18:51.11 | foxlit | Sure it is |
| 18:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It can't be read without the proper password |
| 18:51.22 | foxlit | How do you distinguish between an encrypted volume header and random data? |
| 18:51.41 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 just said it wasn't encrypted |
| 18:51.42 | Shirik | WTF |
| 18:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:51.48 | Shirik | (14:49:28) (@Shirik) ScytheBlade1: I assume you need the password to find that |
| 18:51.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The location isn't |
| 18:51.52 | Shirik | (14:50:12) (ScytheBlade1) disagree |
| 18:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | To FIND it |
| 18:51.55 | ScytheBlade1 | No you don't |
| 18:52.04 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:52.05 | Shirik | yes you do |
| 18:52.07 | Shirik | PICK ONE |
| 18:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you're missing something |
| 18:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It is guaranteed, if present, to always be at that position |
| 18:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Right there |
| 18:52.32 | Shirik | well, yes, but you won't see it |
| 18:52.36 | Shirik | it's just there |
| 18:52.42 | Shirik | encrypted |
| 18:52.49 | theorbtwo | The most important thing you are missing is that you don't need to prove it's there to a mathematical standard of evidence. |
| 18:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | thank you |
| 18:52.59 | theorbtwo | You just need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. |
| 18:53.34 | foxlit | "There might be something there" |
| 18:53.43 | foxlit | is hardly beyond reasonable doubt :) |
| 18:54.09 | Gnarfoz | point is, you can't prove it's there |
| 18:54.18 | Lopeppeppy | It isn't necessarily your "reasonable" that they are proving, one way or another. |
| 18:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have to prove that it is or is not there |
| 18:55.08 | Lunessa | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8a2_1185497017 - win |
| 18:55.13 | theorbtwo | "Do you really expect us to believe that this hard drive is full of very carefully encrypted copies of Alice in Wonderland"? |
| 18:55.16 | Gnarfoz | I couldn't care less, the "5 years in prison if you don't tell us the password" shit doesn't exist here, however, TrueCrypt is able to protect you from it |
| 18:55.41 | Gnarfoz | theorbtwo: they can't even prove there is *anything* there if they don't have the correct password |
| 18:56.08 | theorbtwo | OK, |
| 18:56.24 | Gnarfoz | that's the whole point :o |
| 18:56.37 | theorbtwo | "You really expect us to believe there is a copy of truecrypt on here, and a very large file that looks like a truecrypt data store, but no encrypted data." |
| 18:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: that's amazing |
| 18:56.58 | Lunessa | SBO - I need to build one of those. |
| 18:56.59 | Gnarfoz | how do you go from "random data" to "looks like a truecrypt data store"? |
| 18:57.14 | Gnarfoz | except that of course you can hide entire partitions |
| 18:57.24 | Gnarfoz | which hides the "file" |
| 18:57.31 | Dashkal | The "Reasonable Person" doesn't carry large chunks of random data |
| 18:57.41 | Shirik | I do |
| 18:57.46 | Gnarfoz | uhm right, and you differentiate that from empty disk space, how, Dashkal? |
| 18:57.48 | theorbtwo | Gnarfoz: And having an 80GB hard drive that only has 10GB of partitioned space isn't strange? |
| 18:57.57 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: empty disk space doesn't tend to be perfectly randomized |
| 18:57.58 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 18:58.07 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: encrypted stuff doesn't tend to, either |
| 18:58.17 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: That's because it's not :) |
| 18:58.27 | Shirik | it's a mathematical formula :) |
| 18:58.32 | Fisker- | I AM THE LAW SHIRIK |
| 18:58.33 | Shirik | Then again, so is most random data on a computer too |
| 18:59.05 | Dashkal | If your empty disk space really is within your main partition, you'd better hope the host OS doesn't accidently overwrite it. |
| 18:59.07 | theorbtwo | You aren't trying to convince computer scientists, or even scientifically-oriented people. |
| 18:59.16 | Lunessa | Fisker-: Throw down your weapons and prepared to be judged. |
| 18:59.23 | theorbtwo | You are trying to convince 12 people who didn't avoid jury duty. |
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| 18:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | My point is simply this |
| 18:59.51 | Shirik | . |
| 18:59.54 | Shirik | ^ my point |
| 18:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you can say you are protected against EVERYTHING mentioned here: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/security-precautions |
| 19:00.04 | Fisker- | i'm still the law Shirik |
| 19:00.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Your plausable deniability is worthless |
| 19:00.10 | Fisker- | So you should tell me how to make my balls biggers |
| 19:00.12 | Fisker- | bigger* |
| 19:00.18 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 19:00.18 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u Shirik' |
| 19:00.20 | Fisker- | if you catch my drift |
| 19:00.21 | Shirik | Did you try going to tools->options? |
| 19:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it is a very round point |
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| 19:01.31 | airtonix | fisker: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/386370 |
| 19:01.50 | airtonix | Fisker-, great big hairy gonads |
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| 19:02.59 | Lunessa | Giant incendiary testicles, Batman! |
| 19:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | .... okay.... |
| 19:03.28 | airtonix | massive testies |
| 19:03.52 | airtonix | there like cricket balls |
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| 19:06.14 | Own3R | :-?? |
| 19:06.19 | Own3R | anybody ther? |
| 19:06.26 | Kraftman | nope |
| 19:06.30 | Own3R | good |
| 19:06.31 | Own3R | =)) |
| 19:06.32 | Own3R | :D |
| 19:06.37 | Own3R | tanks fo help |
| 19:06.37 | Own3R | :D |
| 19:06.45 | Kraftman | erm |
| 19:06.52 | airtonix | no |
| 19:07.28 | dardack | so nameplats are locked down? |
| 19:07.51 | airtonix | as in, can't change the texture etc? |
| 19:08.08 | Lunessa | airtonix: Texture, sure. Postion? no. |
| 19:08.10 | Kraftman | airtonix: i think the original version of that is better :) |
| 19:08.25 | airtonix | dardack, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6852-NameplatesModifier.html |
| 19:08.47 | airtonix | Kraftman, orginal version of ? green wing or |
| 19:08.52 | Kraftman | yeh green wing |
| 19:08.54 | Kraftman | :) |
| 19:09.08 | Kraftman | i love it :) |
| 19:09.19 | Own3R | :> |
| 19:09.36 | Gnarfoz | <theorbtwo> You are trying to convince 12 people who didn't avoid jury duty. <-- jury duty also doesn't exist here, so again, whatever. try arguing against the people who write the program and claim it can give you plausible deniability |
| 19:10.05 | theorbtwo | Gnarfoz: Where are you? |
| 19:10.20 | dardack | airtonix i want to put a % number on the nameplates tho |
| 19:10.34 | airtonix | dardack, that mod does that |
| 19:10.40 | dardack | really? |
| 19:10.45 | dardack | is it light weight? |
| 19:10.49 | NeoTron | I've gotten called to jury duty twice since moving to the US |
| 19:10.58 | NeoTron | which I legally can't do since I'm not a US citizen. so that's FTW |
| 19:11.02 | Kraftman | what are all these secret files that peopel find the need to encrypt? or don't i want to know? |
| 19:11.11 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy bring down the hammer |
| 19:11.12 | NeoTron | Kraftman: porn |
| 19:11.15 | Shirik | crazy paladin girl |
| 19:11.16 | dardack | cause i want to compare my threat with all others and put a % of diference between mine and the second in threat |
| 19:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraftman: probably socially deviant porn |
| 19:11.18 | Kraftman | ^^ |
| 19:11.38 | theorbtwo | Kraftman: Oh, I don't have any encrypted files, I just find it to be an interesting topic. |
| 19:11.49 | airtonix | dardack, ok then, there is another nameplate mod with many more options |
| 19:11.56 | k1net1k | peggle code |
| 19:12.02 | Kraftman | yeh it is interesting, also intriguing ^^ |
| 19:12.14 | Shirik | I think this applies: http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 19:12.30 | airtonix | 'whats inside the smaller case?' |
| 19:12.33 | theorbtwo | BTW, I never got called for jury duty in the 23 years I lived in the US. |
| 19:12.42 | dardack | was kinda hoping to do myself and keep it very very small |
| 19:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: without clicking, yes, yes it does |
| 19:12.56 | Gnarfoz | theorbtwo: not the US |
| 19:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | On what, Shirik? |
| 19:13.16 | theorbtwo | Gnarfoz: Sigh. I knew *that* much. |
| 19:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | is very tired. It is very dark in her office. |
| 19:13.20 | Gnarfoz | Germany |
| 19:13.23 | airtonix | sigh |
| 19:13.34 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: I dunno :) |
| 19:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | Silly monkey |
| 19:14.16 | airtonix | muttering baboon? |
| 19:14.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o+b Own3R *!*=NewLook2@80.191.254.251] by Shirik |
| 19:14.17 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Own3R!n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (You are messing with the wrong person today.) |
| 19:14.33 | Lopeppeppy | ooh, look at that. :) |
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| 19:14.47 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *!*@80.191.254.151] by Shirik |
| 19:14.59 | Dashkal | I miss something? |
| 19:15.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b+b *!*=NewLook2@80.191.254.251 *!*@80.191.254.151] by Shirik |
| 19:15.12 | Shirik | yes ) |
| 19:15.12 | Shirik | :) |
| 19:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | .whois Own3R |
| 19:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 19:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Fail on my part |
| 19:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 19:15.35 | Shirik | He's going around spamming people in PMs about private servers |
| 19:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent that they reported him so quickly so you could kick his bootski. :) |
| 19:16.04 | theorbtwo | Hm. Interesting. No jury trials in Germany since 1924. |
| 19:16.18 | theorbtwo | I didn't know that. |
| 19:16.22 | Kraftman | it was more the excessive use of smilies than anything |
| 19:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | I smile a lot. |
| 19:16.40 | Kraftman | not as much as he.. did |
| 19:16.40 | airtonix | kick Lopeppeppy ! |
| 19:16.50 | *** kick/#wowuidev [airtonix!n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (how dare you suggest such a thing!) |
| 19:16.56 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
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| 19:18.29 | k1net1k | airtonix: wow another adelaide person |
| 19:18.33 | k1net1k | amazing |
| 19:19.08 | airtonix | there aren't many of us left |
| 19:19.27 | airtonix | well when i say 'us' i mean 'them' |
| 19:19.28 | k1net1k | yeah we always murdering each other |
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| 19:20.53 | Kraps | very strange http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267007&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 19:21.49 | Gnarfoz | theorbtwo: you went and looked it up? ;P |
| 19:21.53 | theorbtwo | Yes. |
| 19:22.01 | theorbtwo | That's why I asked where you were. |
| 19:22.18 | theorbtwo | Now, though, time for a bit of TV and some steak. |
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| 19:25.56 | Kraps | theorbtwo: i keep having a knee-jerk reaction to your name, because at a glance its very similar to a well know asswipe's name on my server :( |
| 19:26.15 | dardack | is there an api listing on what you can do with the nameplates? |
| 19:27.08 | Kraftman | ? |
| 19:27.44 | Dashkal | Kraps: Lazy + attention whore. *shrugs* |
| 19:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | http://szymon.tumblr.com/ |
| 19:28.09 | Kraps | mmm |
| 19:29.11 | Kraftman | dardack: what do you mean? |
| 19:29.56 | dardack | i want to manipulate the nameplate to have just like 4 characters show up on it, so was looking for any API calls taht manipulate the nameplates |
| 19:30.15 | Kraftman | you would need to change the fontstring of the nameplate |
| 19:30.19 | NightHawkTheSane | there are none |
| 19:30.41 | Kraftman | check out evl_nameplates as a simple example of the regions of the nameplates |
| 19:31.42 | Kraftman | i think its the 6th region |
| 19:34.40 | dardack | can't seem to find evl_nameplates to downloa |
| 19:34.48 | dardack | i find mentions of it |
| 19:35.33 | kneeki | dardack, I found the problem with my addon btw =) |
| 19:35.43 | dardack | oh what? |
| 19:36.02 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20080813.gif |
| 19:36.09 | Kraftman | i have a similar version i can pastey |
| 19:36.14 | kneeki | local t = _G[button:GetName().."Icon"]; t:SetPoint('Center', button); t:SetWidth(36); t:SetHeight(36) |
| 19:36.23 | kneeki | Worked like a charm =) |
| 19:37.13 | Kraftman | dardack: http://pastey.net/114222 |
| 19:37.14 | alestane | You can also say, button.Icon = G[button:GetName().."Icon"] at some point and use it going forward. |
| 19:37.15 | dardack | i was gonna reccomend using setpoint over set all pionts |
| 19:37.31 | Kraftman | its not the same but it'll do as a reference |
| 19:37.40 | kneeki | alestane, Oh? That's handy! |
| 19:37.52 | kneeki | One less global lookup |
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| 19:43.15 | Fisker- | <-Judge Dredd |
| 19:43.18 | Fisker- | i'll kill you Shirik |
| 19:48.28 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glI_OzbvrU0 fun |
| 19:49.33 | Adys | and wow youtube users are really dumb |
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| 19:50.38 | Fisker- | isn't our day in ulduar |
| 19:50.40 | Fisker- | horrible lag |
| 19:50.45 | Fisker- | and we just missed Ignis by 10k hp |
| 19:50.59 | durcyn | 'missed'? |
| 19:51.09 | Fisker- | We wiped when he had 10k hp left |
| 19:51.18 | durcyn | why are you so bad, Fisker- |
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| 19:51.40 | Osstia | 10k? ouch |
| 19:51.41 | airtonix | when you are the law, you don't need to be good |
| 19:52.00 | Fisker- | durcyn lag |
| 19:52.16 | Osstia | we had like 3 second lag last week during Hodir |
| 19:52.22 | NeoTron | we had a similar wipe on kologarn |
| 19:52.24 | Osstia | Frozen Blows just annhialated us |
| 19:52.27 | NeoTron | my first ever 0% health wipe |
| 19:52.56 | NeoTron | don't you love how they made WG reset on tuesdays |
| 19:53.00 | Adys | your MOM wipes at 0% health |
| 19:53.03 | NeoTron | so anyone that actually raids on tuesday gets lag |
| 19:53.11 | NeoTron | which is a majority of all guilds I'd say |
| 19:53.18 | airtonix | wait waht? |
| 19:53.18 | Adys | NeoTron: not in europe |
| 19:53.24 | NeoTron | they need to spread the resets out and not have one universal reset date |
| 19:53.35 | Fisker- | they did that |
| 19:53.38 | NeoTron | airtonix: WG weekly quests resets the same time as all (US) raid instances |
| 19:53.44 | Fisker- | people abused it for cascading if i recall correctly |
| 19:53.45 | NeoTron | Fisker-: no? |
| 19:53.52 | airtonix | NeoTron, like it always has since wotlk was released |
| 19:54.07 | NeoTron | airtonix: no? they JUST made the quests weekly. hey were, you know, daily before |
| 19:54.14 | airtonix | oh wait no i was thinking on raidid |
| 19:54.26 | airtonix | i dont pvp so i care little for it |
| 19:54.32 | Fisker- | yes NeoTron :o |
| 19:54.42 | NeoTron | basically our server NEVER had raid lag for us (9 pm PST on a PST server so reasonbly late) until this change |
| 19:54.58 | Cide | qq |
| 19:55.07 | airtonix | wasnt that the reason why they did it? |
| 19:55.42 | NeoTron | airtonix: yes |
| 19:55.46 | Fisker- | They basically had several raids running and they could run a ulduar raid every day if they timed it correctly |
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| 19:55.58 | NeoTron | airtonix: now it's more ok on wed-mon raids but tuesdays suck much worse than before |
| 19:56.36 | neura | Rule #138 of WoW: never raid on tuesdays. |
| 19:56.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 19:57.00 | airtonix | NeoTron, i dont think any sensible progression guild raids on the night before reset |
| 19:57.02 | NeoTron | neura: rule #139 of WoW: You have to raid Tuesdays due to the schedule of your raiders so ignore rule #138. |
| 19:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | Our raid schedule deliberately was never Tuesdays. We did pick up 10 mans on Tuesdays. |
| 19:57.20 | NeoTron | airtonix: Tuesday = reset of raids and WG |
| 19:57.22 | KarlKFI | lulz. my guild raids mon-thurs |
| 19:58.00 | neura | NeoTron: we re-wrote that rule as "If you have to raid Tuesdays due to schedule of your raiders, find new raiders or raid less. |
| 19:58.04 | KarlKFI | we're working on freya and thorim |
| 19:58.07 | airtonix | i avoid pickup OS raids on the night before reset, its always full of 24 flamers and 1 guy/gal who cant setup a raid properly |
| 19:58.22 | neura | Hooray for Freya! Free mats for the guild bank. |
| 19:58.23 | NeoTron | neura: I don't want to replace me nor do I want to raid less so that doesn't work ;-) |
| 19:58.41 | dardack | my guild raids tuesdays |
| 19:58.49 | NeoTron | I still think most guilds do |
| 19:59.10 | neura | None of the top 10 guilds on our server do. |
| 19:59.16 | KarlKFI | then again, half the people in my guild are married or have lives... i know, scary |
| 19:59.22 | neura | It's hard to claim "most" when there are a bajillion raiding guilds. ;) |
| 19:59.58 | neura | I'm guessing lots do, but the overall number is so high, it's really not relevant to talk about other guilds, too many. |
| 20:00.10 | neura | unless you really know the stats. |
| 20:00.13 | airtonix | most lemmings jump off cliffs |
| 20:00.14 | kneeki | http://imgur.com/x0r1u.png <- lol |
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| 20:00.33 | NeoTron | KarlKFI: hmm. married, 2 kids (8yo twinws), and a job.. |
| 20:00.51 | NeoTron | mainly people that "don't have time" have significant others that like to control their life it seems :P |
| 20:01.02 | Lopeppeppy | ... unfairly spoken, NeoTron. |
| 20:01.06 | NeoTron | mine wants me to go away and do my thing so she can watch her non-interesting tv shows in peace :P |
| 20:01.07 | *** part/#wowuidev Own3R (i=NewLook2@80.191.254.251) |
| 20:01.13 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 20:01.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Own3R (i=NewLook2@80.191.254.251) |
| 20:01.31 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: I know a friend of mine whose GF requires him to watch her girl movies and girl shows with her |
| 20:01.40 | KarlKFI | yeah, my gf still wants to see me, hasn't gotten to the point of wantign to see less of me yet. |
| 20:01.46 | Lopeppeppy | That's nice, but that's not everyone. |
| 20:01.47 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: and requires him to be quiet and not interact with her |
| 20:01.48 | Shirik | Own3R: Don't make me find ircops for you |
| 20:01.50 | Shirik | You are not welcome here |
| 20:01.51 | Shirik | Get out |
| 20:01.53 | NeoTron | which is just .. stupid :) |
| 20:02.01 | neura | My significant other is one of our raid leaders. She'd be pretty pissed if I decided I couldn't raid on any of our raid days... don't think I could get away with it. |
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| 20:02.03 | KarlKFI | O.o |
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| 20:03.06 | Lunessa | neura: So, you can't claim s/o aggro to ditch a bad wipe night? |
| 20:03.30 | NeoTron | Lunessa: hmm if we had people do that they probably wouldn't say in the guild for too long |
| 20:03.44 | neura | Sometimes I get aggro when there's a wipe if I'm involved. ^^; |
| 20:04.27 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Speaking as a guild leader and a raid leader - no one in my guild would do that either. Speaking as a resident IRC jackass, I made a funny. :P |
| 20:04.41 | neura | LOL |
| 20:05.22 | Fisker- | is that your mom Shirik ? |
| 20:05.24 | dardack | sorry was in AK OK, yea i'm married have 2 kids under 2, well not anymore under 2, one just is above 2, anyways, i get 3 days to raid, and 1 is tuesday, and since pre BC i've never not raided on a tuesday except patch 3.1, cause everyone wanted to do arena tourny or pug ulduar |
| 20:05.25 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:05.27 | Lopeppeppy | pokes Lunessa hard, with a pointy stick. |
| 20:05.27 | Thunder_Child | you like to think you made a funny |
| 20:05.28 | Fisker- | :o |
| 20:06.00 | neura | There have been a lot of tuesdays that were unraidable because of patch. |
| 20:06.15 | dardack | NeoTron: your sig other doesn't let you play while she watches? |
| 20:06.23 | Lopeppeppy | Which is why my guild stopped doing raids on Tuesdays. |
| 20:06.25 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Your folks thought they made a funny, and the rest of us have been suffering since. :P |
| 20:06.27 | dardack | neura, not many |
| 20:06.30 | Fisker- | btw Shirik |
| 20:06.32 | dardack | pre BC yea all the time |
| 20:06.42 | Fisker- | you should show me how to make big balls |
| 20:06.43 | dardack | but since BC raided almsot every tuesday |
| 20:06.55 | foxlit | teehee, the achievement links are totally forgeable. |
| 20:07.16 | kd3 | if only we could forge the description text... |
| 20:07.27 | neura | dammit, I want lotro style achievements... achievements that actually give me some reason to do them other than "accumulate points" |
| 20:07.29 | foxlit | i.e. you can totally claim to have done any achievement. |
| 20:07.30 | NeoTron | dardack: not mine, a friens |
| 20:07.43 | NeoTron | dardack: she's extremely overbearing it sounds like |
| 20:07.49 | dardack | oh |
| 20:07.55 | dardack | mine let's me have 3 nights |
| 20:08.05 | dardack | but she just watches her shows while i play on the couch next to her |
| 20:08.18 | NeoTron | mine let's me... oh wait, mine realizes it's my time to with what I want |
| 20:08.18 | dardack | it's agreeable |
| 20:08.33 | NeoTron | like she doesn't own my time, and I don't own hers |
| 20:09.07 | NeoTron | revolutionary concept in a marriage, I know ;-) |
| 20:09.10 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, s/suffering/laughing/ fixed |
| 20:09.16 | dardack | mine is the same, i think i worded that wrong, i like spending time with her and if i didn' tlimit myself to 3 nights, i would never see her |
| 20:09.29 | Lunessa | 4 minutes. A new record! |
| 20:09.30 | foxlit | Also, there's a guid specifying the name in there? |
| 20:09.52 | Fisker- | welcome to 2009 btw foxlit |
| 20:10.04 | foxlit | hai Fisker-. |
| 20:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | 4 minutes, lunessa? |
| 20:10.37 | Fisker- | btw you could forge the descriptions as well |
| 20:10.39 | Fisker- | but that was fixed |
| 20:11.04 | Lunessa | It took Thunder_Child 4 minutes to reply to my insult. It's a record. It normally takes him less. |
| 20:11.16 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, 3 min and change |
| 20:11.26 | Lopeppeppy | who counts change? |
| 20:11.29 | Thunder_Child | 13:06.30 -> 13:09.14Â Â |
| 20:11.31 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:11.31 | Shiibot | Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. ai.lua:672: ')' expected (to close '(' at line 671) near 'end' |
| 20:11.37 | Lunessa | The longer it takes him, the bigger I win. |
| 20:11.43 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:11.44 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 20:14.04 | haste | !reload |
| 20:14.07 | haste | >:( |
| 20:15.11 | neura | Anybody have heavy opinions on good loot tracking addons? (Don't care about DKP or anything else, just want to track who got what loot and some kind of export) |
| 20:15.22 | amro | !skynet |
| 20:15.47 | durcyn | neura: i've been using HeadCount |
| 20:15.54 | dardack | xloot |
| 20:15.57 | dardack | xlootgroup |
| 20:15.59 | dardack | xlootmonitor |
| 20:16.04 | dardack | what i use |
| 20:16.17 | durcyn | he wants to keep a history and export it to xml or phpbb or the like, i'm guessing |
| 20:16.22 | durcyn | which is what hc does ;) |
| 20:16.31 | neura | I actually import it into my own site. |
| 20:16.47 | neura | but yeah |
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| 20:17.23 | dardack | xlootmonitor exports also i think |
| 20:17.28 | Adys | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20080706.gif |
| 20:17.59 | dardack | but w/e floats whoever's boat |
| 20:19.29 | neura | well, the version of RT that we're using misses loots sometimes and it's a pain to add them later. I've been hoping to find one that actually watches who you ML stuff to, so it would know which mob it came from without using a timer since last kill, etc. |
| 20:19.58 | durcyn | again, try headcount, it knows which bosses are which. |
| 20:20.03 | neura | Since we use kind of a social/lootcouncil method for looting, sometimes it takes a few minutes and we start killing trash for the next before looting is finished. |
| 20:20.12 | durcyn | however, 'missing' loot is due to range on the event, so there's not an addon to fix that |
| 20:20.29 | Antiarc | ROFL |
| 20:20.34 | Antiarc | I found a project to port to a WoW addon |
| 20:20.35 | Antiarc | http://virt.vgmix.com/jenny18/ |
| 20:20.47 | Antiarc | That would get so many downloads and nobody would admit to it. |
| 20:21.06 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 20:21.08 | neura | well, it just made sense to me that if you're ML'ing it to someone, you should be able to "track" that you just ML'd an item to someone from whatever mob you have open. |
| 20:21.27 | kd3 | that is full of win (and fail, but I think win's in the lead) |
| 20:22.07 | neura | hmm, good script to have running while on an alt at the local town center mailbox :x |
| 20:22.08 | Antiarc | I'm severely tempted to port it to Lua, roll up a night elf, take her to Goldshire, turn on chatlogging, and massively sting as many people as I could. |
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| 20:23.16 | Jelly_ | rawr!! |
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| 20:23.24 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 20:23.35 | alestane | That's distinctly strange: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=20#comic |
| 20:23.38 | neura | actually, yeah, I'll check out the xloot stuff as well, since it seems to have some features specific to ML'ing |
| 20:23.40 | Jelly_ | oh noes |
| 20:24.16 | Jelly_ | xloot's ml hasn't worked in some time. |
| 20:24.48 | Jelly_ | for me at least. got it from curse |
| 20:25.02 | neura | hmm :x |
| 20:25.08 | Antiarc | XLoot's ML works for me, and has been for years |
| 20:25.17 | neura | Fight! |
| 20:25.25 | neura | I'll try it out. :P |
| 20:25.28 | Jelly_ | mine stopped at 3.1 |
| 20:25.59 | Jelly_ | where did you get it? version etc? |
| 20:26.14 | Jelly_ | cause...do want |
| 20:27.54 | NeoTron | can also try Magic Looter / Loot Menu >:-) |
| 20:28.48 | Jelly_ | will do |
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| 20:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN |
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| 20:31.59 | Jelly_ | <3 |
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| 20:51.23 | Shirik | ~make sense |
| 20:51.24 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop. |
| 20:51.28 | Shirik | that's awesome. |
| 20:52.00 | amro | ~make love |
| 20:52.01 | purl | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 20:52.05 | Shirik | aw |
| 20:52.09 | Shirik | less awesome, it does everything |
| 20:52.31 | kd3 | ~sudo make me a sandwich |
| 20:52.32 | purl | okay |
| 20:52.36 | kd3 | ! |
| 20:52.48 | Shirik | ~sudo fix java security shit |
| 20:52.54 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:53.00 | Adys | ~sudo gimme a blowjob |
| 20:53.06 | amro | Shirik: it's trying to, it just takes forever |
| 20:53.12 | Adys | The more you know |
| 20:53.22 | Cide | amro: not in Adys' case |
| 20:53.27 | Adys | Nerds giving purl instructions are hungry, and never horny |
| 20:53.41 | Fisker- | ~sudo giev large balls Shirik |
| 20:53.52 | Shirik | The good thing is |
| 20:53.58 | Shirik | Minion is being "too restrictive" |
| 20:54.02 | Shirik | that is, it's blocking things that should be allowed |
| 20:54.09 | Shirik | better than letting security vulnerabilities exist |
| 20:54.15 | Shirik | however I need to fix this! |
| 20:54.16 | kd3 | ooh, toys to break? |
| 20:54.19 | kd3 | rubs his hands together |
| 20:54.23 | foxlit | boolean isActionPermitted(Action a) { return false; } |
| 20:54.24 | Fisker- | ~sudo giev large balls Shirik |
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| 20:54.41 | Shirik | By all means, kd3. I'm very concerned about security and if you find a hole I'd love to know about it :) |
| 20:54.47 | amro | foxlit: but how do you check if calling isActionPermitted is permitted? |
| 20:54.51 | Shirik | I stole the idea from Blizzard's tainting module |
| 20:54.53 | Fisker- | i found a hole for my balls |
| 20:54.54 | kd3 | point me to the download? I'm not in on the alpha |
| 20:54.56 | kd3 | >.> |
| 20:54.58 | Shirik | er, tainting system* |
| 20:54.59 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 20:55.12 | foxlit | amro: if you have to check, you're not permitted to call it. |
| 20:55.12 | Shirik | Entering module code should taint the environment and enter a restricted set of privileges |
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| 20:59.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:59.37 | Shirik | looking at the JDK code |
| 20:59.49 | Shirik | First line of shutdownNow(): // Almost the same as shutdown(), but not |
| 21:00.08 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:00.26 | Shirik | *#($ and the bug is sitting right there in my face |
| 21:00.32 | Shirik | sucky part is I can't modify JDK code :/ |
| 21:00.56 | Adys | shudownNow("Shirik") |
| 21:01.07 | Adys | typofail |
| 21:01.10 | Dashkal | Sure you can. Sign your soul to Oracle and submit a fix to OpenJDK |
| 21:01.18 | Shirik | but that's not going to solve anything |
| 21:01.26 | Shirik | people will still be on the old JRE |
| 21:01.27 | Antiarc | http://i43.tinypic.com/sct1ls.jpg |
| 21:01.27 | Antiarc | \o/ |
| 21:01.31 | Antiarc | Yay, new UI |
| 21:01.33 | Shirik | I have to support what's out there now |
| 21:01.45 | Dashkal | Or bundle OpenJDK ;) |
| 21:02.12 | Adys | off to london for a few days |
| 21:02.14 | Adys | laters all |
| 21:02.18 | Dashkal | waves |
| 21:03.15 | Cide | "Tricks gave you 6294 extra damage."? |
| 21:05.58 | Antiarc | That's TrickOrTreat |
| 21:06.10 | amro | Antiarc: what are those actionbuttons? |
| 21:06.14 | Antiarc | Mostly we just use it to remind each other that Tricks is off cooldown :) |
| 21:06.17 | Antiarc | Bartender |
| 21:06.32 | Antiarc | Using one of the Hex buttonfacade skins |
| 21:06.36 | Antiarc | And CooldownCount |
| 21:08.01 | Stanzilla | do you really need teh combat indicator on the raidframes? :P |
| 21:08.16 | Cide | sounds like a great mod |
| 21:08.27 | Antiarc | It's useful to see if folks are in combat sometimes |
| 21:08.36 | Antiarc | ex: after Flame Leviathan |
| 21:08.39 | Cide | great to have something to divert your attention with in a raid boss |
| 21:08.39 | Antiarc | Freakin' in-combat bug |
| 21:08.48 | Cide | fight |
| 21:09.27 | amro | Antiarc: just noticed the cooldown bar at the bottom, what's that? |
| 21:09.38 | Antiarc | Forte Cooldown. It's a logarithmic cooldown bar. |
| 21:09.43 | Antiarc | Very useful. |
| 21:11.11 | foxlit | My extreme parachuting sport claims another casualty: me :( |
| 21:11.56 | foxlit | Died at 50,0 on the Azeroth map. |
| 21:12.31 | alestane | Forget you weren't on Northrend? |
| 21:12.31 | Kraftman | >< |
| 21:12.47 | foxlit | Also, dying in ghost form causes durability damage. |
| 21:14.17 | foxlit | And you can no longer enter a battleground while dead |
| 21:14.48 | foxlit | And my corpse has vanished. |
| 21:15.40 | foxlit | So that's 45% durability damage and res sickness. |
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| 21:20.56 | NightHawkTheSane | thats... extreme... :P |
| 21:28.25 | Pharaunmizz | Hey so if I've got a slider, say from OptionsSliderTemplate |
| 21:28.38 | Pharaunmizz | is there a way to distinguish between values set by a user click/dragging |
| 21:28.47 | Pharaunmizz | and a call to SetValue(5) ? |
| 21:30.04 | Pharaunmizz | More specifically, I'm trying to populate a few sliders from a data set, but allow a user to change the values, then reload them at a later point in time. I can make it work nicely without having the thumb textures set via SetValue (just setting text #), but it'd be cool to actually show the slider thumb on load, somehow without triggering OnValueChanged |
| 21:30.06 | Cide | if you need to, you're doing it wrong |
| 21:30.28 | Pharaunmizz | Yea and that's the wrong part ^ |
| 21:30.34 | Cide | it's the right part |
| 21:31.10 | Pharaunmizz | Is there a way to get the thumb to show up in the right spot without triggering onvaluechanged? |
| 21:31.13 | foxlit | set a boolean flag to tell your OnValueChanged handler that the last update was caused by you doing something. |
| 21:31.25 | Pharaunmizz | hmm |
| 21:31.35 | Cide | hacky |
| 21:31.39 | Pharaunmizz | yea very :D |
| 21:31.48 | Cide | I don't get why you need to make a distinction |
| 21:31.52 | Cide | explain that to me |
| 21:32.13 | Pharaunmizz | Ok |
| 21:32.34 | foxlit | Because the "user changed slider value" scenario is distinct from "I set the slider to reflect the current value of what it should be showing" |
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| 21:32.48 | Pharaunmizz | yea essentially |
| 21:33.02 | Pharaunmizz | it's just the time when I need to initially load a data set into the sliders to show the user |
| 21:33.13 | Pharaunmizz | vrs. when the user changes the sliders to manipulate the data |
| 21:33.32 | alestane | Pharaunmizz: Don't set the OnValueChanged script until you've loaded the initial values? |
| 21:33.52 | Pharaunmizz | Yea that's a thought |
| 21:34.01 | foxlit | But then you add profiles |
| 21:34.14 | Cide | don't do things you might need |
| 21:34.16 | Cide | do things you do need |
| 21:34.18 | foxlit | And realize you might have to sync sliders to their data source more than once. |
| 21:34.41 | Pharaunmizz | It would mean enabling & disabling onvaluechanged each time I load a new target in |
| 21:34.50 | Cide | pretty sure half of the code thta needs to be rewritten comes from doing things before you need them |
| 21:34.59 | Cide | and when you do need them they need to be rewritten |
| 21:35.17 | foxlit | pretty sure that half the figures are made up on the spot. |
| 21:35.23 | Cide | it was |
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| 21:36.38 | Pharaunmizz | Anyways, boolean hack it is, thanks :D |
| 21:36.53 | Pharaunmizz | well, similar hack at least |
| 21:36.54 | Cide | huh? |
| 21:37.02 | Pharaunmizz | "set a boolean flag to tell your OnValueChanged handler that the last update was caused by you doing something." |
| 21:37.05 | Cide | how did you come to that conclusion? alestane's solution is much more elegant |
| 21:37.33 | Pharaunmizz | How so? |
| 21:37.37 | Cide | it's a simple change if you do need foxlit's use case sometime |
| 21:37.48 | foxlit | Cide: "Pharaunmizz: It would mean enabling & disabling onvaluechanged each time I load a new target in" |
| 21:38.10 | Cide | oh, so you do need it |
| 21:38.13 | Cide | nevermind me then |
| 21:38.41 | Pharaunmizz | Yes, new targets get loaded in frequently |
| 21:38.44 | foxlit | You could do some hackery with hooking :SetValue |
| 21:38.46 | Dashkal | weee, another engineering nerf |
| 21:38.53 | Dashkal | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17163476972&sid=1 |
| 21:39.33 | Kraftman | if they are already active does that mean no one noticed? |
| 21:40.42 | Dashkal | I wouldn't have noticed regardless. I gave up engineering when I switched mains. |
| 21:40.45 | Dashkal | Never missed it |
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| 21:41.54 | Pharaunmizz | Man that makes me glad I don't do competitive PvP anymore :D |
| 21:42.14 | Pharaunmizz | my rogue partner would have friggin' stabbed someone |
| 21:43.04 | Kraftman | because the engineers couldnt see him? |
| 21:44.07 | Dashkal | I'm waiting to hear what my GL has to say on the matter (Human Rogue Engineer). *popcorn* |
| 21:44.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm waiting to point and laugh at people who whine about it. :p |
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| 21:44.59 | airtonix | right, because now |
| 21:45.04 | airtonix | ... |
| 21:45.07 | Dashkal | You don't count, NHTS. |
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| 21:45.19 | airtonix | may as well be playing solataire |
| 21:45.57 | Kraftman | o hai |
| 21:46.02 | Dashkal | Eh *shrugs* I'm waiting for some RL friends of mine to take up the game so I can finally get off of this damn PvP server and forget it even exists. |
| 21:46.12 | airtonix | yay ima pvp with my [Sword of Blue Restricted] and my [Helm of Authorised Covering] |
| 21:46.27 | airtonix | not |
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| 21:47.10 | airtonix | blue: yo dawg we herd u like fun so we removed it |
| 21:47.11 | Pharaunmizz | Kraftman: Because it semi-evened the ridiculousness of dealing with rog/rog and mage/rog mirrors in S3 |
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| 21:50.32 | Dashkal | meh, can't argue with the change itself, but that profession is in terrible shape. And since they don't believe it's in terrible shape it'll stay that way. |
| 21:50.45 | Dashkal | I'll keep my extra gem slots |
| 21:50.49 | Cairenn | man, this guy is really ticking me off |
| 21:51.07 | Dashkal | mwrarf? |
| 21:51.08 | alestane | Noboom? |
| 21:51.14 | foxlit|mac | Bob? |
| 21:51.19 | Cairenn | alestane: aye |
| 21:51.36 | alestane | I think he's wising up a little, but he still hasn't figured out that no-one wants what he's selling. |
| 21:52.46 | Cairenn | well, and the fact that he's completely ignoring the first thread because he doesn't like the responses is annoying, to say the very least |
| 21:53.04 | airtonix | whats that movie about the tabacco lobbyist? |
| 21:53.11 | nicoli_s | thank you for smoking |
| 21:53.12 | kneeki | airtonix, Thank you for smoking |
| 21:53.22 | airtonix | you think noboom is that type? |
| 21:53.31 | nicoli_s | and Cairenn, thx for putting me in the topic :) |
| 21:53.40 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: ehhehe |
| 21:54.13 | Cairenn | I do that - find a random quote that is sufficiently odd/amusing, take it completely out of context, then chuck it into the chan topic |
| 21:54.26 | nicoli_s | and thats the way it should be |
| 21:54.49 | alestane | Cairenn: he at least makes an argument that might hold water with someone. But I do sort of wish he'd take his ball and go home. |
| 21:55.17 | nicoli_s | yall talking about the open source addons guy? |
| 21:55.41 | alestane | Open hosting, more, but probably. |
| 21:56.30 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904268459&sid=1 |
| 21:56.30 | nicoli_s | i just love how he has yet to explain the main benefits of the system he proposes for authors |
| 21:56.40 | alestane | Yeah, the buffoon is showing a little more in this latest post |
| 21:57.19 | Cairenn | should I copy this over from the first thread? |
| 21:57.20 | Cairenn | "IMO, I think posting a second thread about this is disrespectful and misleading. In one fell swoop you have completely ignored everything that has been said here, ignored all the concerns and input of everyone that has posted in this thread, basically attempting to invalidate everything that has gone before. |
| 21:57.20 | Cairenn | Starting a new thread because you don't like the responses in your old one? Poor form." |
| 21:57.29 | airtonix | it sounds like debians apt-get without launchpad and the authorisation process and the authorised worldwide mirroring |
| 21:57.40 | airtonix | and apt-get |
| 21:58.28 | p3lim | Can the 2nd argument of UnitAura/UnitBuff/UnitDebuff be a spellID? |
| 21:58.29 | airtonix | no im wrong, again. time for sleep |
| 21:58.35 | p3lim | or a link |
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| 21:59.01 | Hirsute | Cairenn: I'm sure in the previous thread that someone pointed out that none of those services gives authors much freedom in the licensing they choose for their addons, yes? |
| 21:59.16 | Cairenn | yes |
| 21:59.17 | kd3 | I'm pretty sure I made mention of that |
| 21:59.44 | kd3 | "my "Great American AddOn" won't ever use a FOSS license" or something to that effect |
| 22:00.08 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267249&sid=1&pageNo=4#79 (part of my WoT) |
| 22:00.29 | p3lim | if anyone knows, please let me know |
| 22:01.13 | foxlit|mac | p3lim: nobody said anything to that effect |
| 22:02.13 | durcyn | p3lim: pretty sure it's name/rank only |
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| 22:03.13 | Cairenn | this guy is REALLY ticking me off |
| 22:03.55 | kd3 | so put him on ignore? I'm not even going to bother with thread #2 |
| 22:05.27 | nicoli_s | i dont know whats worse, this guy, or the people who think all the addon sites are just gonna join hands and merge and put everything aside for the convenience of the user |
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| 22:08.53 | zenzelezz | sad case of language trouble... Norwegian man in Denmark is hit in the head with beer glass, goes to hospital and tells them he needs help because he has haemophilia (ie. he's a bleeder). Hospital doesn't understand, sends him away thinking he's saying he is homofil (gay). Man dies in his bed from the injury |
| 22:09.29 | zenzelezz | I'm having trouble seeing how the blood wouldn't give them a hint |
| 22:09.49 | Hirsute | or why it |
| 22:09.58 | Hirsute | or why it's okay to send him away for being gay... |
| 22:10.45 | nicoli_s | so he doesnt spread his gayness? who knows |
| 22:10.47 | zenzelezz | well, if they didn't actually see his injury, then I could somewhat see it, since being gay isn't something hospitals deal with |
| 22:10.57 | zenzelezz | but the details are a little sparse |
| 22:11.32 | aesir | The h |
| 22:11.35 | aesir | mt |
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| 22:12.37 | Shirik | Any mac users with Java 5 here? |
| 22:12.44 | Shirik | and the Java compiler too |
| 22:13.12 | Shirik | pokes alestane |
| 22:13.20 | Shirik | or KarlKFI |
| 22:13.38 | alestane | What do you want me to do, joad this into Xcode? |
| 22:13.42 | alestane | load* |
| 22:14.01 | KarlKFI | nto at home |
| 22:14.05 | KarlKFI | i'm not* |
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| 22:21.48 | Shirik | sorry |
| 22:21.52 | Shirik | yeah alestane, or something |
| 22:22.35 | Shirik | This code, alestane: http://pastey.net/114232-3al0 |
| 22:22.49 | Shirik | I want to see if Apple has the same bug as Sun |
| 22:22.50 | Shirik | (I hope not) |
| 22:23.59 | alestane | Is it a Java Swing Application, or what's a good way to describe it? |
| 22:24.12 | Shirik | it's just a basic application |
| 22:24.15 | Shirik | doesn't use swing |
| 22:27.09 | alestane | Build failed: 3 errors. |
| 22:27.37 | Shirik | er? |
| 22:27.56 | Shirik | oh the filename has to be Main.java |
| 22:28.00 | Shirik | if it's not |
| 22:28.14 | Shirik | and you can remove "package securitytest;" too |
| 22:28.36 | Shirik | I have to run; we can try this later (or if you get it to run, just post the results and I'll look at em later) thanks! |
| 22:28.42 | alestane | Well also, my compiler is very very old and seems to be assuming it's building Java 1.3. Let me see if I can fix that. |
| 22:28.48 | Shirik | ha |
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| 22:29.07 | kd3 | 1.3? cower |
| 22:30.13 | foxlit|mac | Exception in thread "main" java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.lang.RuntimePermission modifyThread) |
| 22:32.39 | kd3 | http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/14may09/Thierry-Legault1.jpg |
| 22:32.43 | alestane | Good, I can set it to 1.5. |
| 22:32.58 | kd3 | that little spec in the lower-left is the shuttle and hubble |
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| 22:34.41 | alestane | Well, build succeeded once I set it to 1.5 and removed the package line. |
| 22:35.40 | Kraftman | its a tenis ball before they draw the lines on |
| 22:35.52 | Kraftman | and make it furry* |
| 22:36.07 | tekkub | <3 furry balls |
| 22:36.29 | Kraftman | dont we al.. i mean |
| 22:36.49 | Kraftman | hides |
| 22:38.06 | alestane | I fail at java, it can't find the main class. |
| 22:38.21 | foxlit|mac | mv pastey-*java Main.jav |
| 22:38.23 | foxlit|mac | a |
| 22:38.28 | foxlit|mac | javac Main.java |
| 22:38.29 | foxlit|mac | java Main |
| 22:38.30 | kd3 | rename the file to Main.java |
| 22:38.41 | alestane | Did that already. |
| 22:38.56 | kd3 | `java Main` ? |
| 22:39.38 | alestane | I'm doing this from Xcode |
| 22:42.09 | alestane | It compiles the file now, but then when it tries to run, it says '[LaunchRunner Error] The main class "Main" could not be found.' |
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| 22:44.48 | kd3 | it's working ok here, both java5 and 6 |
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| 22:45.44 | foxlit|mac | it compiles, it runs, it crashes with a security exception |
| 22:46.25 | alestane | Ah, the .jar is being given the old name. |
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| 22:53.13 | alestane | Shirik: Output here: http://pastey.net/114234 |
| 22:57.21 | foxlit|mac | lua> (print or string.dump)("foo"); |
| 22:57.21 | lua_bot | foxlit|mac: foo |
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| 23:03.50 | foxlit|mac | There so needs to be a nice "call error handler but do not break execution" variant of pcall |
| 23:04.54 | Cide | can't you make one? |
| 23:05.14 | foxlit|mac | it's messy |
| 23:05.36 | foxlit|mac | I can, of course, pcall and then throw the error message to geterrorhandler()() if it fails |
| 23:05.49 | foxlit|mac | But that deprives the error handler of my stack information |
| 23:06.55 | foxlit|mac | lua> xpcall(error, "foo", print); |
| 23:06.55 | lua_bot | foxlit|mac: false, error in error handling |
| 23:07.21 | foxlit|mac | Which isn't nearly as fascinating as it sounds |
| 23:08.47 | foxlit|mac | [xpcall doesn't allow you to pass arguments -- so I'm either creating a closure every time or some framework for creating and reusing xpcall vararg functions] |
| 23:11.35 | jnwhiteh | or wait for Lua 5.2 |
| 23:11.37 | jnwhiteh | which has xpcall with arguments |
| 23:11.38 | jnwhiteh | win! |
| 23:12.02 | foxlit|mac | Then it'd still be silly since I can't just pass the result of geterrorhandler() as the error handler. |
| 23:12.39 | foxlit|mac | nevermind me, I can. |
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| 23:17.58 | Pharaunmizz | Foxlit: your boolean hack from earlier worked like a charm :D |
| 23:18.03 | Pharaunmizz | thanks again |
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| 23:27.31 | dardack_ | yawn |
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| 23:34.18 | dardack_ | anyone use chatzilla in linux? |
| 23:36.08 | dardack_ | can someone type my name just need to test something |
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| 23:46.13 | dardack_ | anyone know with ouf runebar if it's possible to put the CD text on the bar? |
| 23:48.23 | dardack_ | ok i think i'm posting to this channel but i'm not seeing anything |
| 23:50.14 | kd3 | hm |
| 23:50.24 | foxlit|mac | grumble, I want to store an explicit (key, nil) pair in a table |
| 23:50.41 | foxlit|mac | And then have that nil be "true" for the purpose of check whether the key exists in the table |
| 23:51.14 | foxlit|mac | I also want a pony, a cake, and a bunch of other things. |
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| 23:52.02 | NightHawkTheSane | whats wrong with just storing key,true, or whatever? |
| 23:52.13 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i totally want cake |
| 23:52.32 | foxlit|mac | I use the table to met some parameter to an argument |
| 23:52.36 | foxlit|mac | met=map |
| 23:52.53 | foxlit|mac | For that purpose, the key must resolve to "nil" |
| 23:53.30 | dardack_ | there we go now i can see stuff, so i know i asked this, anyone know with ouf-Runebar if it's possible to not only ahve the bars but the status text as well |
| 23:54.52 | foxlit|mac | I went with t = {"blah", "blah", "blah", [key]=0,} and t[t[key]] to look up |
| 23:55.10 | foxlit|mac | t[key] correctly checks for existence. |
