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| 00:07.33 | kmcguire | Zorba, you should plan to find a way to compress the gathered data over time. |
| 00:07.39 | kmcguire | Is that already your plan? |
| 00:07.45 | kmcguire | I noticed that too. |
| 00:08.36 | kmcguire | But, your routing stuff does seem to be all over the place. Like, there is no single point to replace some code and thus replace the routing with something better. I have to dig all over the place. |
| 00:09.05 | kmcguire | Prolly, not your fault at all, but still. Just my opinion too. |
| 00:09.27 | dardack_ | haste than how does xperl know and put a x (with swords) on the party/raid frame? |
| 00:09.45 | kd3 | UnitAffectingCombat('unit')? |
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| 00:10.27 | kmcguire | I know you compress the alt collected data, could not tell if you compress the active compressed data. |
| 00:10.35 | haste | dardack_: most likely what kd3 said, but it isn't reliable |
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| 00:10.56 | haste | dardack_: in any regard, the core scope of oUF is limited to what the default frames do |
| 00:12.17 | dardack_ | yea i tried UnitAffectingCombat, your right not reliable |
| 00:12.23 | dardack_ | but thanks, have it almost set up perfect |
| 00:12.35 | haste | :) |
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| 00:13.33 | Ackis | how do I get purl to join a channel? |
| 00:13.45 | Osstia | give him a cookie? |
| 00:14.27 | Ackis | i have!!! |
| 00:14.48 | Osstia | sorry, I honestly don't know |
| 00:15.06 | Osstia | I'd hoped someone smart would answer soon so I wouldn't appear to be sucha jerk, but oh well |
| 00:15.30 | Ackis | well thanks... jerk! |
| 00:15.41 | haste | ask purl yourself! |
| 00:15.44 | haste | with ~help |
| 00:15.53 | Wobin | probably have to get tim riker to add her |
| 00:15.57 | haste | you could probably just invite it tho' |
| 00:16.07 | Ackis | purl says she won't join that channel since she's not allowed :( |
| 00:16.26 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.45 | Ackis | don't need the ~ when messaging purl :P |
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| 00:35.52 | Kraps | SO, is Blizzard going the way of SOE? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903519279&sid=1 |
| 00:36.07 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 00:36.16 | Kraps | HOLY CRAP I GTG |
| 00:36.22 | Kraps | laterz |
| 00:38.06 | Ackis | aren't macros stored server side now? |
| 00:38.26 | Ackis | kd3: what does that post say? |
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| 00:39.33 | Thunder_Child | there was a SC2 pre-order? |
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| 00:42.24 | kd3 | nothing but trolling |
| 00:42.43 | Ackis | ah |
| 00:42.50 | Ackis | can't read cuz I'm bannnnned roflz :( |
| 00:43.03 | kd3 | clear your forum cookies? |
| 00:43.10 | Arrowmaster | logout noob |
| 00:43.34 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, you deserved it i am sure |
| 00:43.50 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: ironically enough this one time I'm innocent |
| 00:44.14 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, i'm sure it just makes up for the other times when you didnt get caught |
| 00:44.28 | Ackis | i got banned so early there haven't been other times! :( |
| 00:44.43 | Thunder_Child | perma-banned? |
| 00:45.06 | dardack_ | haste: if my vehicles power is white on my layout but works for target/focustarget/focus frame all work, then is my layout messed up? |
| 00:45.17 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 00:45.53 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, can you look at it w/o being loged in? |
| 00:45.56 | Thunder_Child | cant* |
| 00:46.03 | Ackis | i'm logged in |
| 00:46.07 | Thunder_Child | log out |
| 00:46.10 | Ackis | and too lazy to fix it |
| 00:46.15 | Ackis | so i have my minions do it! :D |
| 00:46.22 | Thunder_Child | you have no minions |
| 00:47.20 | Ackis | neg!\ |
| 00:47.22 | jaxdahl | is it possible to target an unit automatically out of combat ? |
| 00:47.51 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:47.59 | haste | dardack_: that most likely means that you have changed the color table, and haven't added a fallback / have all colors neede |
| 00:48.34 | dardack_ | haste: even tho all other frames are working correctly? |
| 00:48.56 | jaxdahl | man, so i can't automatically inspect a player that's not in my party or raid |
| 00:49.18 | jaxdahl | since i cannot get a valid unit id if they're not in my party or raid unless i manually target them |
| 00:49.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:49.40 | Thunder_Child | you can pull their info on a mouseover i think |
| 00:49.45 | Shirik | there's someon espamming general chat |
| 00:49.48 | Shirik | "Joining good guild" |
| 00:49.54 | Shirik | I don't think he's going to get very far |
| 00:50.18 | Osstia | is he an ele shaman? if so send him my way |
| 00:50.48 | jaxdahl | yea but i wanted to be able to have someone whisper me |
| 00:50.53 | jaxdahl | then i could inspect their gear |
| 00:50.57 | jaxdahl | and give them a gear score/summary |
| 00:52.49 | haste | dardack_: vehicles are usually using focus or something odd |
| 00:53.04 | haste | dardack_: they also have white fuel one some afaik |
| 00:53.55 | dardack_ | yea well if i focus my vehicle it moves and it's green, whereas my vehcile frame is white and the energy bar never changes |
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| 00:55.25 | dardack_ | i can post a Screenshot |
| 00:55.28 | dardack_ | so show what i mean |
| 00:55.30 | dardack_ | *to |
| 00:55.32 | jaxdahl | is there a way to get an unit id for a raid member based on their name? |
| 00:55.47 | foxlit | iterate |
| 00:55.49 | jaxdahl | without iterating through getraidrosterinof |
| 00:55.51 | jaxdahl | fff |
| 00:55.56 | jaxdahl | thought you'd say that |
| 00:55.58 | Arrowmaster | UnitInRaid() |
| 00:56.03 | foxlit | keep your own map if you want to |
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| 00:57.48 | jaxdahl | Arrowmaster, already looked at that, not what i needed |
| 00:57.58 | jaxdahl | it doesn't return an usable unit id |
| 00:57.58 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly what it does |
| 00:58.02 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 00:58.06 | jaxdahl | it just returns 1 |
| 00:58.09 | jaxdahl | if they are in the raid |
| 00:58.09 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 00:58.15 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitInRaid ? |
| 00:58.22 | Arrowmaster | that page is wrong |
| 00:58.27 | Arrowmaster | TEST IT |
| 00:58.39 | jaxdahl | tested it, looks like you are right |
| 00:58.53 | Arrowmaster | it might return 0-39 though instead of 1-40 |
| 00:59.01 | Arrowmaster | not sure |
| 00:59.04 | Wobin | Osstia: are ele shammies that hard to find? |
| 00:59.16 | Osstia | on our server, yes |
| 00:59.32 | Osstia | they are all enhc or resto |
| 00:59.34 | Wobin | I'm levelling mine elemental, but thinking of focusing on resto later... |
| 00:59.42 | jaxdahl | it returned 27 for me with 28 people in the raid |
| 00:59.48 | jaxdahl | so looks like 0-39 |
| 01:00.24 | Arrowmaster | this is why rosterlib sucked and was unneeded |
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| 01:03.55 | Kraps | i feel like changing servers, but thats 75 bucks for 3 toons :( |
| 01:04.15 | dardack_ | haste: this is what i mean http://s405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/dardack/?action=view¤t=vehicle.jpg |
| 01:06.24 | dardack_ | i just wanna get my hunter off my second account and possible change my name |
| 01:06.32 | dardack_ | but i dont' want to pay $35 |
| 01:07.08 | Kraps | As a security precaution, Death Knights can only be transferred once they reach level 60. |
| 01:07.14 | Kraps | heh... |
| 01:08.50 | Thunder_Child | they need to get a one price deal for every toon from one server to another |
| 01:09.41 | Kraps | NOTE: Any items, gold, mail, or other character progress unexpectedly lost during the transfer will not be restored. wat |
| 01:10.20 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: We do not have a discount plan available at this time for multiple transfers. Should we offer any additional promotions or pricing options, they would be announced on our website. |
| 01:12.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: agreed. >< |
| 01:12.59 | Kraps | StarCraft® Anthology is $14.99 at the blizz store? |
| 01:13.12 | Kraps | brb |
| 01:13.34 | Arrowmaster | pff i have the battlechest |
| 01:13.48 | Arrowmaster | still hasnt beaten starcraft..... |
| 01:15.16 | Thunder_Child | i put in the code for JUST SC and it gave me the anthology |
| 01:15.35 | Thunder_Child | which is good since i dont know where my brood war key was |
| 01:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 01:15.41 | Thunder_Child | s/was/is/ |
| 01:15.43 | ScytheBlade1 | BW didn't have a key |
| 01:15.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Never did |
| 01:15.59 | Thunder_Child | nor can i find my WC3 and expacs |
| 01:16.28 | Thunder_Child | and i refuse to link my wow accnt with battle.net |
| 01:19.42 | airtonix | DO WANT : http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/07/diy-coilgun-gives-clever-hobbyists-the-risk-of-permanent-injury |
| 01:23.11 | airtonix | As for building a railgun or a coilgun, I did an experiment for my science class building a graphite firing railgun using 2Farad Capacitors and car batteries. |
| 01:23.11 | airtonix | I was able to blow a hole through a brick. |
| 01:23.45 | dardack_ | airtonix: thanks so much for the tags info |
| 01:24.38 | airtonix | dardack_, np, i also use them to provide indicators on my raid frames for various things |
| 01:24.55 | dardack_ | i know it works perfect |
| 01:25.03 | dardack_ | btw do you know why the vehicle frame does this: |
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| 01:25.10 | dardack_ | http://s405.photobucket.com/albums/pp134/dardack/?action=view¤t=vehicle.jpg |
| 01:25.11 | airtonix | dardack_, be aware though that technically they aren't as efficient as creating and object with its own update funcs |
| 01:25.22 | dardack_ | yea but the layout already was using tags |
| 01:25.28 | dardack_ | so just biggy backed on what i wanted |
| 01:26.05 | airtonix | dardack_, do you know how you are applying colours to the power bar? |
| 01:26.29 | dardack_ | that's the thing i'm modify caellian |
| 01:26.55 | dardack_ | i tried to tell |
| 01:27.07 | dardack_ | but like i said earlier you become and accountant/forensic person you lose your CS skills |
| 01:27.22 | airtonix | can you up your layout in : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ please |
| 01:28.11 | kd3 | rail guns are neat. but chain guns are awesome (with vid) http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/22/nerf-dart-gun-hacked-into-pulverizing-chaingun/ |
| 01:28.36 | Adys | Anyone here owns a Creative USB Headset? |
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| 01:31.17 | kd3 | creative, not so much... I've got a logitech usb headset, though |
| 01:31.27 | dardack_ | just the main.lua? |
| 01:31.56 | airtonix | dardack, yes |
| 01:32.05 | Adys | http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/other-hardware-support/363838-strange-distortions-creative-usb-headset.html |
| 01:32.37 | Adys | Might have to change mine |
| 01:32.42 | dardack_ | airtonix: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114118 |
| 01:37.07 | airtonix | dardack, and in the screenshot you posted, the unitframe with the problems is the set on the right? target, targettarget etc? |
| 01:37.23 | airtonix | dardack_, power bars are not meant to be green? |
| 01:38.05 | dardack_ | no they are |
| 01:38.12 | dardack_ | the only one with a problem is the vehicle frame |
| 01:38.17 | dardack_ | as you saw all the others work fine |
| 01:38.23 | dardack_ | target/targettarget/focus/focustarget |
| 01:38.36 | dardack_ | see how the vehicle power bar is white and not moving? |
| 01:38.39 | dardack_ | like it's full |
| 01:38.51 | airtonix | ohrite |
| 01:39.05 | dardack_ | i can't figure out why only the vehicle frame is like that |
| 01:39.30 | airtonix | dardack, techinically it is your pet frame yes? |
| 01:39.45 | dardack_ | i guess, don't have a toon with a pet |
| 01:39.48 | airtonix | dardack, pet/vehicle treated as same thing |
| 01:39.52 | dardack_ | probably |
| 01:41.47 | airtonix | dardack, are you logged in now? |
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| 01:46.58 | airtonix | dardack, i'm not 100% sure, but i think that : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114118/132 needs to look for pet too. |
| 01:47.49 | airtonix | dardack, as you can see here : http://github.com/airtonix/oufsmee2/blob/dc5dcbb77fa242e76ada884ea398db8bbb132a5c/oUF_Smee2/core.lua#L172-176 |
| 01:48.08 | airtonix | dardack, i dont filter care what unit gets it's powerbar updated |
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| 01:48.33 | airtonix | dardack, except those that are dead, offline or a ghost(duck) |
| 01:48.54 | airtonix | "what else floats in water" |
| 01:49.01 | kd3 | very small rocks! |
| 01:49.26 | dardack_ | yea ysorry airtonix on xt in ulduar |
| 01:49.37 | airtonix | new guild name: <Very Small Rocks> |
| 01:50.16 | dardack_ | i'm the one that added the vehicle part to that line |
| 01:50.21 | Adys | Creative website is horrible |
| 01:50.38 | Adys | "Technical support" is a driver listing |
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| 01:50.46 | Adys | "Contact us" is a FAQ |
| 01:51.59 | Adys | "Known problems" is a forum link. |
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| 01:57.58 | Syzgyn | Whats the difference between CHAT_MSG_WHISPER and CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_FILTER? |
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| 02:00.22 | dardack_ | dang anyone know a place where vehicles have power? |
| 02:00.34 | _rane | not exactly the right place to ask but shouldn't '/cast [target=mouseover,nodead] [nodead] [target=player] Dispel Magic' target self if there's no mouseover target or target? |
| 02:01.00 | _rane | I'm getting "you have no target" there's neither |
| 02:05.09 | NightHawkTheSane | dardack_: aces high |
| 02:06.31 | dardack_ | so airtonix if i go do aces high i'll be able to see if adding pet to that one line works? |
| 02:07.13 | airtonix | dardack, thats one of two tests, the other would be to do the daily in fjord at the steel gate |
| 02:07.53 | NightHawkTheSane | (only if you're horde) |
| 02:07.57 | dardack_ | huh guess i've never done that daily |
| 02:07.59 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. alliance* |
| 02:08.01 | dardack_ | oh yea i'm not |
| 02:08.05 | dardack_ | no i'm ally |
| 02:08.13 | dardack_ | still never done it |
| 02:08.14 | airtonix | dardack, or you could head up to the tournament and test out the mounted combat |
| 02:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | they don't use power, iirc? |
| 02:08.30 | dardack_ | yea but does that mount have power to check it? |
| 02:08.51 | dardack_ | the only problem i'm having is that i don't understand I added vehicle to that line, why i have to add pet |
| 02:09.08 | dardack_ | oh well 1 more hour of ulduar and i can check |
| 02:09.58 | Gnarfoz | hot damn mindfuck @ latest house episode :o |
| 02:10.35 | airtonix | dardack, you could just try commenting out line 132 and see what happens. i'm not sure why there is a test for those unit types |
| 02:11.02 | airtonix | dardack, they get tested for anyway further in that block |
| 02:11.53 | dardack_ | yea i did comment out the line |
| 02:11.55 | dardack_ | heh |
| 02:11.57 | dardack_ | thinking same thing |
| 02:12.00 | airtonix | dardack, the other thing you might want to take note of is the powertype for the vehicle |
| 02:12.17 | dardack_ | i don't know, like i said this is someone else's layout i really liked but modifying to my liking, i'll never release it for anyone else |
| 02:12.24 | airtonix | dardack, /run print(UnitPowerType('pet')) |
| 02:12.33 | airtonix | dardack, /run print(UnitPowerType('vehicle')) |
| 02:12.47 | dardack_ | when i'm in the vehicle? |
| 02:12.59 | airtonix | dardack, not sure which one of those would apply, but i think vehicles/pets same thing |
| 02:13.13 | Syzgyn | vehicle is correct I believe |
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| 02:13.23 | Syzgyn | pet might work, but stick with vehicle |
| 02:14.32 | airtonix | dardack, or to be more precise : /run print(UnitPowerType(pUF_Caellian_pet.unit)) |
| 02:14.38 | airtonix | woops |
| 02:14.47 | airtonix | dardack, /run print(UnitPowerType(oUF_Caellian_pet.unit)) |
| 02:15.48 | dardack_ | when i'm in a vehicle? |
| 02:15.54 | airtonix | or using a pet |
| 02:15.59 | dardack_ | ok |
| 02:16.11 | dardack_ | i also need to fix his combo points |
| 02:16.13 | dardack_ | sigh |
| 02:17.05 | airtonix | he has interesting thing about tempenchant there. looks like he is pushing an aura icon into the buff collection to represent a temp enchant |
| 02:17.23 | dardack_ | huh, yea i don't see weaopn enchants i have to fix that too |
| 02:17.28 | dardack_ | or he's using a plugin for that |
| 02:18.00 | dardack_ | the font size changes for debuff/buffs is my code based on time left |
| 02:18.14 | dardack_ | but i din't understand the tempenchant part so left that alone |
| 02:18.37 | airtonix | i prefer to have countdown change colour on timeframe left |
| 02:18.40 | dardack_ | yea don't know why combo points aren't showing up tho |
| 02:18.56 | dardack_ | i could do that but as a dk like to keep track of my diseases |
| 02:19.09 | dardack_ | nice bigger numbers under 10 seconds is nice |
| 02:21.55 | dardack_ | can you tell me what line in yours you have combo points on the target frame? |
| 02:22.13 | airtonix | i dont |
| 02:22.38 | airtonix | its up to the user to edit the fontobjectstring in the gui for that |
| 02:22.41 | dardack_ | so how do you keep track of combo's |
| 02:22.53 | dardack_ | hmmm |
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| 02:23.36 | airtonix | dardack, http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3406109640_12802131f7_b.jpg |
| 02:23.48 | Wobin | hm do druids need defense? |
| 02:23.57 | Wobin | Or does SotF account for uncritability? |
| 02:24.07 | airtonix | Wobin, pretty much |
| 02:24.16 | Wobin | pretty much? |
| 02:24.29 | airtonix | Wobin, i;ve been told it does |
| 02:24.39 | dardack_ | i'm trying to see what your showing me |
| 02:24.55 | Wobin | yeah, that's what I heard, but we've got a druid who says you need 415 and SotF for uncritability |
| 02:25.30 | airtonix | dardack, the the entry field, ouf_tag...its where you can edit the current tag string for the fontobject |
| 02:25.34 | airtonix | text* |
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| 02:26.02 | airtonix | dardack, current it reads [threatplus], you could change that to be [threatplus][combo] |
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| 02:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ls |
| 02:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | err, wrong window |
| 02:26.57 | dardack_ | and what does the tab combo return? |
| 02:27.20 | dardack_ | heh i could list a directory for you if it would make you feel better |
| 02:28.19 | airtonix | depends on your tag logic function, (sorry not [combo] but rather [cpoints]) |
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| 02:29.06 | airtonix | dardack, http://github.com/airtonix/oufsmee2/blob/2f33d3a661affe27138acea602114749b5275444/oUF_TagEditor/core.lua#L75 |
| 02:29.59 | dardack_ | what is the cpoints function calling? |
| 02:30.23 | airtonix | dardack, function(u) local cp = GetComboPoints(u, 'target') return (cp > 0) and cp end, |
| 02:30.38 | airtonix | dardack, returns a number |
| 02:31.08 | airtonix | but you could also do : function(u) local cp = GetComboPoints(u, 'target') return (cp > 0) and string.rep("*",cp) end, |
| 02:31.15 | dardack_ | so you just put a number on the nameplate? |
| 02:31.29 | airtonix | lua> print(string.rep("*",4)) |
| 02:31.30 | lua_bot | airtonix: **** |
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| 02:32.01 | airtonix | lua> print(string.rep("·",4)) |
| 02:32.02 | lua_bot | airtonix: ···· |
| 02:32.26 | dardack_ | ahh i see you put **** or ....'s on the name plate? |
| 02:32.45 | airtonix | dardack, no i dont use combo points, that gui there in the screenshot has editors for all sorts of areas |
| 02:32.59 | airtonix | dardack, so it could be oin the nameplate, the health, whereever |
| 02:34.48 | dardack_ | oic |
| 02:34.54 | dardack_ | sorry i'm starting to understand |
| 02:35.16 | dardack_ | but if the personputs in [cpoints] in that string, they would get *** on some bar? |
| 02:35.33 | airtonix | no by default the cpoints tag returns a number |
| 02:35.44 | airtonix | if its not zero |
| 02:35.56 | dardack_ | oic |
| 02:36.15 | dardack_ | so withe the string.rep you could put ****, is there a way to highlight it as it grows? |
| 02:36.29 | airtonix | hightlight? as in change colour ? |
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| 02:41.25 | dardack_ | yea like take the name plate of the target and overlay a 20% bar, than 40%, etc. |
| 02:42.19 | airtonix | dardack, im not sure you can do bars in the fontstring |
| 02:42.49 | dardack_ | texture? |
| 02:43.46 | dardack_ | hang on |
| 02:44.28 | dardack_ | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114118/231 should that be target frame instead? |
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| 02:48.33 | airtonix | dardack, not sure exactly sorry |
| 02:48.53 | dardack_ | airtonix: in your smee2 core.lua your cpoints function, where is that called from? |
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| 02:49.53 | airtonix | dardack, orite, yeah...the Cpoints object is part of the ouf core |
| 02:50.11 | dardack_ | http://github.com/airtonix/oufsmee2/blob/dc5dcbb77fa242e76ada884ea398db8bbb132a5c/oUF_Smee2/core.lua#L329 |
| 02:50.15 | Ketrel | Quick question, does anyone know of an addon that'll show locations of NPCs such as trainers and such? (For example, cloth armor merchants) |
| 02:51.31 | airtonix | dardack, see how i store that object in : self.CPoints |
| 02:51.43 | airtonix | dardack, ouf/elements/cpoints.lua |
| 02:52.19 | dardack_ | right, yea in my layout http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114118/768 |
| 02:52.20 | airtonix | dardack, but i dont use that in my layout anymore, you can see i used to have it on both the pet and pet target |
| 02:54.35 | dardack_ | almost done in ulduar gonna go do aces high and try to figure out the cpoints and the energy issue |
| 02:55.08 | Arrowmaster | im bored |
| 02:56.33 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: http://www.manufactum.ch/Produkt/0/1443292/NistkastenWolfgangS.html :D |
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| 02:59.38 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: wahahaha |
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| 03:14.32 | Thunder_Child | i swear i am going to kill whatever addon author thats doing |
| 03:14.32 | Thunder_Child | [08:13] You are not in a guild. |
| 03:14.33 | Thunder_Child | [08:14] You are not in a guild. |
| 03:14.57 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.20 | Thunder_Child | i'm simply to lazy to figure out which addon it is |
| 03:18.19 | Kaso | grep "SendAddonMessage([^)]*guild[^)]*)" Addons/ |
| 03:19.17 | dardack_ | ok omw to do aces high and try to fix this cpoints/energy |
| 03:20.12 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Do you use oRA2 or Prat3 with AltNames enabled? |
| 03:20.16 | Thunder_Child | i'd have to install one |
| 03:20.18 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: just on logout or while you're ingame? |
| 03:21.40 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, ingame |
| 03:21.45 | Thunder_Child | constant |
| 03:21.46 | airtonix | Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history. |
| 03:22.18 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, no and not enables |
| 03:22.39 | Thunder_Child | d* |
| 03:24.12 | dardack_ | ok the power for vehicle works on aces high, will have to wait till next week to test ulduar |
| 03:27.18 | airtonix | dardack, dailies in icecrown provide vehicles |
| 03:27.19 | dardack_ | airtonix: is there a print command to print out what power the vehicle is using? I think that the ones in Ulduar use steam or something, so for vehicle it looks for the specific type of power, whereas target/focus/focustarget/targettarget is just generic, so perhaps that's why the vehicle frame wasn't updating the energy bar while every other frame was |
| 03:27.49 | airtonix | dardack, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitPowerType |
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| 03:29.30 | dardack_ | yea looks like at line 36 he doesn't define fuel |
| 03:31.28 | dardack_ | is there any dailies that provide vehicles with fuel? |
| 03:33.25 | haste | dardack_: he doesn't need to define fuel as he puts a metatable index to the default oUF table |
| 03:34.06 | dardack_ | then why in FL is the vehicle frame not correctly displaying engery whereas every other frame is? |
| 03:39.48 | haste | dardack_: that I have no answer for. |
| 03:40.35 | dardack_ | ok |
| 03:40.45 | dardack_ | is there a daily with vehicles with fuel that i can test it on? |
| 03:43.13 | haste | no idea |
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| 03:48.59 | kd3 | whistles at the multi-post response |
| 03:52.12 | kd3 | ~cairenn++ |
| 03:52.23 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:52.24 | Zamoria | ~cairenn++ |
| 03:52.28 | Cairenn | I'm tired of it all |
| 03:52.51 | Fisker- | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/05/12/blizzard-partners-with-esl-tv-for-blizzard-esports-channel/ <-old news = old |
| 03:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | throws a bottle of nyquil in Cairenn's direction |
| 03:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (And which thread?) |
| 03:53.13 | Zamoria | toward a better addon infrastructure |
| 03:53.14 | PerfectH|Mob | Howdy gang, I just registered to IRC, but how do I authenticate myself when I reconnect? |
| 03:53.15 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267249&sid=1&pageNo=4#77 |
| 03:53.24 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.31 | PerfectH|Mob | Thank you :) |
| 03:53.58 | Fisker- | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:55.09 | PerfectH|Mob | Does anyone know the / command for Carbonite's config? |
| 03:55.35 | Thunder_Child | isnt it /carbonite |
| 03:55.37 | PerfectH|Mob | Nevermind, I found it |
| 03:55.47 | PerfectH|Mob | Nope :\ |
| 03:56.00 | PerfectH|Mob | I found the options elsewhere, though. Thanks. :D |
| 03:56.27 | airtonix | carbonite still causes my client to crash every half hour like clockwork |
| 03:56.59 | airtonix | think i'm a make an empty addon called masonite |
| 03:57.24 | Iriel | Call it Samsonite, empty but with a hard shell |
| 03:57.32 | airtonix | sounds good |
| 03:57.33 | PerfectH|Mob | lol |
| 03:57.48 | PerfectH|Mob | Well so far, Carbonite uses a lot less memory than QuestHelper |
| 03:58.11 | kd3 | ponders getting started on his "memory usage" spiel but decides against it |
| 03:58.15 | airtonix | they both do the same thing to me |
| 03:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | PerfectH|Mob: QH, within the next few versions, will have drastically reduced memory usage |
| 03:59.35 | PerfectH|Mob | :D |
| 03:59.44 | PerfectH|Mob | Awesome! :D |
| 03:59.55 | airtonix | ScytheBlade1, you ought to do something about quests that can be picked up enroute from item drops |
| 03:59.56 | PerfectH|Mob | I'm really just testing Carbonite, I'm not even sure if I'm going to stick with it |
| 04:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: what, is he replacing it with a popup window that says "do the quests yourself, lazy!" :P |
| 04:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | airtonix: er, uh? |
| 04:00.26 | kd3 | nhts; that'd be a pretty win april fool's joke |
| 04:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: no, optimized the database storage. got it down to something like 5MB or less |
| 04:00.37 | Iriel | Hm, writing style sanity check.. is it "There are many types of apple." or "There are many types of apples." ? (When referring to the fruit) |
| 04:00.46 | kd3 | former |
| 04:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | "It depends" |
| 04:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd say latter personally |
| 04:00.59 | NightHawkTheSane | turns up ScytheBlade1's sarcasm detector |
| 04:01.04 | kd3 | wait, no |
| 04:01.04 | Iriel | kd3: Good answer 8-) |
| 04:01.16 | kd3 | ya, I agree with sbo. latter. |
| 04:01.29 | Thunder_Child | latter |
| 04:01.39 | Thunder_Child | and kd3 either nees coffie or sleep |
| 04:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I wouldn't say either is /wrong/ |
| 04:01.42 | Thunder_Child | needs* |
| 04:01.45 | kd3 | coffee |
| 04:01.46 | kd3 | whee |
| 04:01.51 | kd3 | knocks back some more caffeine |
| 04:01.57 | airtonix | an apple can come in many forms? |
| 04:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 04:02.19 | mikma | 5 lines of spam<0659> <mikma> now, offtopic |
| 04:02.20 | mikma | <0659> <mikma> almost owned myself by saying out loud |
| 04:02.20 | mikma | <0659> <mikma> "what the fuck, victoria beckham has started to make music?!?" |
| 04:02.20 | mikma | <0659> <mikma> then i realized... |
| 04:02.22 | Thunder_Child | there are different types |
| 04:03.43 | kd3 | "there are many apple cultivars" |
| 04:03.53 | kd3 | yay for picking a word out of a hat via wikipedia |
| 04:04.07 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apple_cultivars |
| 04:04.23 | Iriel | My argument is that the 'type' is the plural |
| 04:04.28 | Iriel | so apple should be singular |
| 04:04.46 | Iriel | the plural of "type of apple" is "types of apple", not "types of apples" |
| 04:05.29 | kd3 | except the subject is 'apple', not 'type'. |
| 04:05.30 | Iriel | But I think the interwebs are outvoting me |
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| 04:09.47 | PerfectH|Mob | OOOH so that's where that quest announce thing comes from, >.< |
| 04:10.00 | PerfectH|Mob | [P] [Griswold:71]: Kvaldir Raider slain: 12/12 |
| 04:10.04 | PerfectH|Mob | That kind of thing |
| 04:10.05 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:10.14 | kd3 | pisses me off intensely |
| 04:10.14 | PerfectH|Mob | I've always wondered what that comes from |
| 04:10.21 | PerfectH|Mob | Yea, me too |
| 04:10.31 | PerfectH|Mob | Especially now that it's coming from me! |
| 04:10.46 | PerfectH|Mob | I can turn that off I hope, right? |
| 04:10.53 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:11.32 | Thunder_Child | so i was sitting in the AH and wow crashed with this issue.. "Failed to read file world\generic\passivedoodads\ships\shipanimation\transportship_sails.m2." |
| 04:11.33 | Kirov | Mikma - I believe she's known as Stupidly Rich and Famous Spice |
| 04:12.45 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Hm, what O/S? |
| 04:12.59 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: and have you run repair.exe (or equivalent) lately? |
| 04:13.19 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, Win7 and no, but i just got back into game with no issue |
| 04:13.28 | Thunder_Child | just rather odd imo |
| 04:13.32 | mikma | kirov: exactly |
| 04:13.36 | Iriel | Interesting, a friend of mine with Win7 has been having all sorts of wow file access issues |
| 04:13.48 | Iriel | repair.exe was NOT happy with his install |
| 04:13.57 | Thunder_Child | i dont keep wow on C: if thats what your wondering |
| 04:14.01 | Thunder_Child | also, i didnt install it |
| 04:14.08 | Thunder_Child | it's on another HD |
| 04:14.13 | Iriel | So? |
| 04:14.21 | Iriel | Does that make it immune to win7 filesystem issues? |
| 04:14.26 | Iriel | is your other HD read-only? |
| 04:14.35 | Thunder_Child | damn, just crashed again |
| 04:14.46 | Thunder_Child | Debug Details: |
| 04:14.46 | Thunder_Child | [2] err=0 text=SFileReadFile - world\generic\passivedoodads\ships\shipanimation\transportship_sails.m2 - Data\common-2.MPQ |
| 04:14.46 | Thunder_Child | [1] err=0 text=ReadSectors/DecompressData failed |
| 04:14.46 | Thunder_Child | [0] err=0 text=ReadSectors/DecompressData failed |
| 04:14.54 | Thunder_Child | Le Sigh |
| 04:14.59 | Gnarfoz | reboot, Thunder_Child |
| 04:15.10 | Thunder_Child | NEVER! |
| 04:15.17 | Gnarfoz | works reproducably for me for that error... |
| 04:15.32 | Gnarfoz | get it something like 60% of times after resuming from standby |
| 04:15.59 | Gnarfoz | (with varying models, textures, sounds files, of course, but always ReadSectors/DecompressData - probably some SATA driver bug) |
| 04:16.43 | Thunder_Child | no standby for me though, and this hasent happened in quite a while |
| 04:17.43 | PerfectH|Mob | Hey, I know this isn't really the right place to ask, but could anyone recommend a good PvE server for end-game Alliance? As in, friendly players, intelligent, curtious, and generous players? |
| 04:17.53 | Thunder_Child | in wow? |
| 04:17.58 | Thunder_Child | what are you smoking? |
| 04:18.57 | PerfectH|Mob | lol |
| 04:19.18 | PerfectH|Mob | Well, within reason I guess I meant |
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| 04:19.54 | PerfectH|Mob | I play Horde side on Thrall and a good chunk of the people I pug with are nice, I want people like that but for Alliance side |
| 04:20.15 | Thunder_Child | all the little kids are on the alliance side |
| 04:20.18 | Thunder_Child | like me |
| 04:22.08 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, do you know how long it took after you friend installed wow for the errors to happen? |
| 04:22.19 | Iriel | No, he copied it from his vista install |
| 04:22.26 | Iriel | and was using Win7 for a couple of months |
| 04:22.33 | Iriel | but he doesn't play wow all that often |
| 04:22.46 | Thunder_Child | ah, it's only been 7 days for me |
| 04:23.24 | Gnarfoz | 7 days... |
| 04:23.26 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 04:23.36 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 04:23.40 | Thunder_Child | good show though |
| 04:23.52 | Iriel | I know that based on his experiences I wont be installing it anywhere for quite some time |
| 04:24.02 | Iriel | (He loves it however, he's in denial about the fact it's got filesystem or driver issues) |
| 04:24.10 | Thunder_Child | really? win7 is sexy |
| 04:24.14 | Thunder_Child | no issues for me |
| 04:24.19 | Iriel | Sexy and trashes your data |
| 04:24.24 | Thunder_Child | well, minor anyway |
| 04:24.31 | Thunder_Child | what data trashing? |
| 04:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | commits blasphemy and pats his Vista lovingly |
| 04:24.54 | Iriel | It corrupted his wow install, he couldnt' get WAR installed without corruption, etc |
| 04:25.01 | Iriel | I'm quite happy with vista;, now that I have it |
| 04:25.10 | Iriel | though it helps to have a monster to run it on |
| 04:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, I ran it on a 2.0GHz single-core P4 and PC133 just fine |
| 04:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Though admittedly I wasn't the primary user of that computer |
| 04:25.52 | Thunder_Child | i actually dont see a resource lessining going from vista to win7 but it *is* a lot more fun to play with |
| 04:27.27 | Fisker- | you! |
| 04:27.37 | Wobin | omg win: http://www.dramabutton.com/ |
| 04:27.43 | Wobin | I'm so using this on Vent |
| 04:29.50 | PerfectH|Mob | lol! |
| 04:30.56 | Fisker- | You're forgetting Thunder_Child |
| 04:31.17 | Fisker- | WINDOWS 7 HAVE AN UNFIXABLE FLAW THAT ALLOWS IT TO BE TAKEN OVER IF YOU HAVE PHYSICAL ACCESS |
| 04:31.21 | Fisker- | </dramabutton> |
| 04:31.59 | Fisker- | AND IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE THAN WINDOWS 7, IT GENIUNELY IS A PROBLEM WITH WINDOWS 7 AND NOT JUST BOOT SECTORS IN GENERAL |
| 04:32.01 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 04:32.06 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, that would be any OS |
| 04:32.10 | Fisker- | nahuh |
| 04:32.21 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/583/ |
| 04:32.22 | Adys | amazing |
| 04:32.23 | Thunder_Child | i can get into any computer if i have physical access |
| 04:32.30 | Fisker- | i doubt it |
| 04:32.31 | Arrowmaster | i doubt that |
| 04:32.34 | Fisker- | Someone else can though |
| 04:32.34 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 04:32.37 | Fisker- | hohohohoho |
| 04:32.42 | Thunder_Child | doubt it all you like but i can |
| 04:33.04 | Gnarfoz | Addybot: meh, was just gonna link that :D |
| 04:33.15 | Adys | and uh |
| 04:33.24 | Adys | physical access MEANS you got access to the computer pretty much |
| 04:33.43 | Adys | assuming no special hardware security |
| 04:33.48 | Iriel | There are tamper proof computers out there |
| 04:33.55 | Iriel | Who said that was a safe assumption? |
| 04:34.09 | Iriel | he said "any computer" |
| 04:34.15 | Arrowmaster | last week in my computer security class a guy picked the locks on the back of our lab computers |
| 04:34.21 | Iriel | not "any computer without countermeasures" |
| 04:34.31 | Iriel | A lock isn't tamperproofing |
| 04:34.35 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: bookmarked. right next to www.sadtrombone.com and www.instantrimshot.com ;D |
| 04:34.58 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: I love the internet, sometimes =) |
| 04:35.18 | Gnarfoz | I love it too, I'm just unsure how much longer it will be around for Germans X_X |
| 04:35.23 | Shirik | what the hell is this |
| 04:35.26 | Shirik | Just opened a fortune cookie |
| 04:35.28 | Fisker- | or the french |
| 04:35.31 | Shirik | "A nice cake is waiting for you" |
| 04:35.37 | Iriel | The cake is a lie! |
| 04:35.39 | Adys | its a lie |
| 04:35.42 | Iriel | FIRST! |
| 04:35.45 | Adys | dammit |
| 04:35.50 | Fisker- | I'll write a letter to all french isp's stating that all of their hosts are violating copyright |
| 04:36.02 | Fisker- | and they'll be like "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-" |
| 04:36.22 | Adys | hadopi law doesn't enforce contract cancellation |
| 04:36.41 | Adys | which means isps pretty much dont care |
| 04:36.44 | Fisker- | whats the fucking point then? |
| 04:36.53 | Adys | point is they lose their connection |
| 04:36.58 | Adys | but the contract is not cancelled |
| 04:37.10 | Arrowmaster | but it cant be renewed |
| 04:37.21 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 04:37.23 | Adys | it can, but they dont get a connection |
| 04:37.25 | Arrowmaster | and what about people without contracts? |
| 04:37.26 | Fisker- | But you still lose your connection :3 |
| 04:37.59 | Arrowmaster | more isp customers dont have contracts than those that do i bet |
| 04:38.30 | Adys | er? |
| 04:38.41 | Adys | you're under contract the minute you sign up |
| 04:38.57 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:39.01 | Arrowmaster | for a limited amount of time |
| 04:39.23 | Arrowmaster | because you ususally get some sort of incentive to sign up and thus the contract |
| 04:39.46 | Arrowmaster | such as free installation or first so many months at a certain reduced rate |
| 04:40.46 | Adys | wtf |
| 04:40.47 | Adys | N: main.c: We are not in group 'pulse-rt', PolicyKit refuse to grant us the requested privileges and we have no increase RLIMIT_NICE/RLIMIT_RTPRIO resource limits. |
| 04:40.49 | Adys | Yes i am |
| 04:41.02 | Adys | what the hell |
| 04:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: distro? |
| 04:41.06 | Adys | ubuntu |
| 04:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, your problem |
| 04:41.14 | Adys | ill restart x brb |
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| 04:42.06 | Adys | ah that did it |
| 04:43.15 | Iriel | Did you gain group access during yoru X session? |
| 04:43.22 | Adys | yeha |
| 04:43.23 | Iriel | i.e. did the process that spawned X not have it yet |
| 04:43.37 | Adys | first sentence was clearer :P |
| 04:44.06 | Iriel | heh |
| 04:44.10 | Iriel | The second was better typed |
| 04:44.26 | Adys | did .. spawned? |
| 04:44.45 | Iriel | More "yoru" in the first |
| 04:44.56 | Adys | typos > * |
| 04:45.08 | Adys | green wing is quite good |
| 04:45.14 | Adys | whoever it was who recommended it |
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| 05:19.08 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: have you got any messages regarding the tracking system? |
| 05:22.36 | kd3 | oh, ow at xkcd |
| 05:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 05:23.50 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:25.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hahah |
| 05:26.48 | Wobin | woo |
| 05:27.00 | Wobin | we should cite this each time something about entitlement comes up on the boards: http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html |
| 05:27.14 | Wobin | cause of course, everything sounds better when Neil Gaiman says it |
| 05:27.23 | NightHawkTheSane | it's true |
| 05:27.53 | porkbun | so am i allowed to be in here if i'm not an addon developer? |
| 05:28.05 | kd3 | sure |
| 05:28.09 | kd3 | hasn't written an addon |
| 05:28.11 | Adys | porkbun: Yeah, but you need to pay a fee of $10 per month |
| 05:28.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: this is why i love neil gaiman, "George R.R. Martin is not your bitch." |
| 05:28.30 | Adys | I mean, you can stay without paying |
| 05:28.31 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 05:28.34 | Adys | but don't say I didnt warn you |
| 05:28.45 | Adys | people might take legal actions. |
| 05:28.52 | porkbun | heh thanks :) |
| 05:29.04 | porkbun | does it help if i'm a developer of other things?;) |
| 05:29.18 | Adys | depends, you might get a discount. |
| 05:30.17 | porkbun | forgot how to change fonts in mirc, and the default is making his eyes bleed |
| 05:30.23 | Adys | mirc? |
| 05:30.27 | Adys | dont expect that discount |
| 05:30.38 | porkbun | yeah, i'm a windows user :P |
| 05:30.46 | Adys | hydrairc, xchat |
| 05:31.16 | porkbun | hrms |
| 05:31.20 | porkbun | but i already had mirc installed! |
| 05:31.23 | porkbun | -_- |
| 05:31.39 | kd3 | I was going to say 'non-stupid mIRC scripts' but the last one I used hasn't been updated in years |
| 05:32.04 | porkbun | eeew hydra kinda looks like old windows |
| 05:32.09 | porkbun | it's as bad as codewarrior |
| 05:32.10 | porkbun | :P |
| 05:32.14 | Adys | porkbun: most windows users i know got ie6 preinstalled. |
| 05:32.36 | porkbun | i have ie8, ff3, and chrome all active right now |
| 05:32.39 | porkbun | don't ask me why, i don't know |
| 05:33.22 | Adys | well if you got 12gb of ram why not |
| 05:34.09 | porkbun | eh, 2 gb and it's not being used by anything else :P |
| 05:34.12 | porkbun | not playing wow right now |
| 05:34.16 | porkbun | i'm watching elections results |
| 05:34.43 | Adys | had to read that twice. |
| 05:35.44 | porkbun | i love the enter button? :) |
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| 05:42.24 | porkbun | ooh i recognize that name |
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| 05:45.33 | porkbun | ahhh figured out how to change the font :D |
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| 05:53.26 | Fisker- | BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 05:53.26 | Fisker- | http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmovies.apple.com%2Fmedia%2Fus%2Fmac%2Fgetamac%2F2009%2Fapple-mvp-elimination-us-20090512_480x272.mov&t=1242193502 |
| 05:53.32 | Fisker- | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758 <-why so lies Mac? |
| 05:54.26 | Adys | why do you even care? |
| 05:54.57 | Fisker- | We need to crush this rebellion |
| 05:54.58 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 05:55.17 | porkbun | computers are tools, i use what works :) |
| 05:55.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker- is a tool too. shame he doesn't :P |
| 05:59.23 | ckknight | Fisker-: my mac is secure because there's not enough incentive for malware authors to write said malware for my platform. |
| 05:59.37 | Adys | dont feed it hes a tool |
| 05:59.48 | Torhal | ckknight: Using that logic, Fisker-'s mom is secure. |
| 06:00.17 | ckknight | Adys: yea, but he's a premium tool, so what can I really do? |
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| 06:02.14 | porkbun | with bright plastic, don't forget that |
| 06:02.15 | porkbun | ;) |
| 06:03.10 | Adys | its not exactly about the amount of vulnerabilities either |
| 06:03.33 | Adys | also about how quick they're fixed |
| 06:04.17 | porkbun | i'd rather complain about svn ;) |
| 06:09.20 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/05/12/funny-pictures-give-it-up-already/ |
| 06:09.21 | Cairenn | hah! |
| 06:09.50 | msou| | ckknight: do you have the 17" model though or..? |
| 06:09.59 | ckknight | 15" MacBook Pro |
| 06:10.13 | msou| | and I thought I am playing on a small screen :/ |
| 06:10.23 | msou| | I have the 17" imac |
| 06:10.29 | porkbun | 15" dell junker here -_- |
| 06:10.49 | msou| | I had the powermac g4 |
| 06:11.01 | porkbun | well g'night. this is a nice place, i want to come back :D |
| 06:12.16 | Fisker- | naw Adys it's about how retarded their userbase is |
| 06:12.30 | Adys | you can talk |
| 06:12.34 | Fisker- | Shame i can't say either of them is generally very intelligent :E |
| 06:12.56 | Adys | yeah, you can talk |
| 06:13.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.teamfortress.com/sniperupdate/ |
| 06:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "You will shoot them and they will stick to the wall and they will die" |
| 06:13.33 | Kirov | Why don't you ask the Dinosaurs? |
| 06:14.01 | Adys | aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 06:14.07 | Adys | dont make me reinstall steam :( |
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| 06:18.16 | Thunder_Child | ok...Better Off Ted, is a damn strange tv show |
| 06:18.34 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: I like it |
| 06:18.39 | ckknight | I'm very fond of single-camera shows |
| 06:19.06 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, you mean single target? |
| 06:19.12 | Fisker- | :o |
| 06:19.13 | Thunder_Child | eg. just one person |
| 06:19.16 | ckknight | no |
| 06:19.16 | Fisker- | my steam install is 170GB now |
| 06:19.20 | ckknight | single-camera |
| 06:19.24 | ckknight | as in they use only one camera. |
| 06:19.30 | ckknight | rather than two |
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| 06:19.40 | Thunder_Child | and you can tell that how? |
| 06:19.55 | ckknight | the style is very different from multi-camera shows |
| 06:20.03 | ckknight | I didn't realize this until recently when I researched it |
| 06:20.10 | ckknight | but all my favorite shows are single-camera |
| 06:20.32 | ckknight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-camera_setup |
| 06:25.38 | Adys | Fisker-: looking at the flaw list for osx atm |
| 06:25.48 | Adys | they almost all involve ridiculously old applications |
| 06:26.09 | Fisker- | Of course, trolling with statistics is fun |
| 06:27.04 | Adys | This isnt even trolling this is plain out wrong |
| 06:27.11 | Adys | hes talking about 2007 statistics |
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| 06:27.17 | Adys | and reporting shit that dates from 2003-2004 |
| 06:29.09 | Adys | http://secunia.com/advisories/cve_reference/cve-2006-5867/ |
| 06:29.17 | Adys | this never even made a live version of mac os x |
| 06:29.53 | Adys | yeha ok stopping there its bolocks |
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| 06:31.17 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: reno 911 is on that list....... |
| 06:38.04 | msou| | yesterday I entered my first battleground. so it was capture the flag |
| 06:38.46 | msou| | was fun don't think I will do it anymore.. unless if it has good rewards |
| 06:38.51 | msou| | those purple stuff |
| 06:41.18 | msou| | 2 more levels. after that get the epic items, epic flying mount then night elf druid. no more horde I think |
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| 06:50.39 | msou| | http://www.lowbird.com/all/view/2009/05/imageshack-k4vsjpg |
| 06:54.53 | batrick | O man, Christie Golden wrote the Arthas book? I'm going to have to buy it. |
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| 07:05.38 | ZorbaTHut | anyone around who uses the deDE locale who could test some stuff for me? ideally horde otherwise I might have to ask you to walk pretty far :) |
| 07:07.45 | ZorbaTHut | also, man, I really wish people understood what "lag" and "crashes" were. |
| 07:09.25 | Torhal | Fisker-: ^^ |
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| 07:11.46 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: yesterday I had a problem with a quest in icecrown.. the track system shows it elsewhere |
| 07:12.08 | ZorbaTHut | msou, which quest? |
| 07:12.11 | msou| | I couldn't track the error to be truthful, that killing three mobs with the dk horn |
| 07:12.23 | msou| | one priest tolonox I think and one last |
| 07:12.36 | ZorbaTHut | also, I just found a bug keeping some data from being processed, so things might work better with the next version |
| 07:12.45 | msou| | and the other one was collecting 10 crystalize rocks |
| 07:13.03 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: yeah I'm on the 13 release |
| 07:13.16 | Shirik | So yeah, Netbeans 6.7 Beta |
| 07:13.18 | Shirik | is awesome |
| 07:13.31 | Shirik | Fixes bunch of problems in 6.7M3 and SVN support is cooler than ever |
| 07:13.36 | Shirik | it has little squiggly lines now! |
| 07:19.30 | foxlit | little squiggly lines? |
| 07:19.43 | foxlit | MS Word is clearly the IDE to aspire to! |
| 07:22.38 | foxlit | hey, wowi mods |
| 07:22.43 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=180253 is just signature link spam |
| 07:23.49 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: taken care of thanks. |
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| 07:47.19 | Thunder_Child | "I want my MTV" |
| 07:47.29 | Thunder_Child | ....to play music videos again |
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| 07:54.19 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904268303&postId=171109033963&sid=1#10 am i a bad person? |
| 07:54.42 | Cairenn | :`( |
| 07:54.47 | Cairenn | (no) |
| 07:54.51 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:55.01 | Arrowmaster | =) |
| 07:55.21 | batrick | hehe |
| 07:55.35 | batrick | ~Arrowmaster++ |
| 07:56.37 | Elkano | if the last post is yours, yes you are... for not hosting on wowi, too ;) |
| 07:57.29 | pompy | how is "you kow" reserved words in wow? |
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| 08:01.00 | jnwhiteh | whats the cap on honor? |
| 08:01.19 | batrick | Is it not 75k anymore? |
| 08:01.44 | jnwhiteh | i don't know, i'm just asking what it is |
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| 08:02.08 | batrick | o, well I haven't played in about a month so I dunno :) |
| 08:05.26 | jnwhiteh | then i'll assume its still 75 |
| 08:05.28 | msou| | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.31 | jnwhiteh | which means i'll hit it in next WG |
| 08:06.26 | pompy | jnwhiteh: yeah its 75k |
| 08:06.48 | batrick | I thought they intended to raise it. |
| 08:13.34 | pompy | "Unable to send chat to (player name) because your message contained reserved words." hmm |
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| 08:18.54 | Thunder_Child | you know, i thought the penguins of madagascar would be slightly funnier |
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| 08:23.50 | Thunder_Child | msou|, http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12887 ? |
| 08:25.39 | msou| | oh yes that |
| 08:26.00 | msou| | did it yesterday, I think I did all the following quests, not sure where to go next |
| 08:26.16 | msou| | or I might have one last quest in ebon blade |
| 08:26.45 | Taroven | Alright, I'm really confused. I'm trying to add combat/target show and hide states to EventHorizon via a module. Combat show and OOC hide work fine, but for some reason it's not recognizing when I have a target selected. |
| 08:26.45 | Thunder_Child | msou|, look at the 7th comment http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12893 |
| 08:27.25 | Taroven | Currently using UnitExists("target") and UnitCanAttack("player","target") to detect if a target is selected and if it's attackable. |
| 08:27.59 | Taroven | In theory, it should work fine, but wtf? |
| 08:28.18 | Adys | if anyone's interested |
| 08:28.35 | Adys | chromium got some prototype extensions in dev channel |
| 08:28.43 | Adys | http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/extensions/howto |
| 08:28.44 | Adys | http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/extensions/samples |
| 08:29.31 | Taroven | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114123 |
| 08:29.43 | Taroven | (whole addon there) |
| 08:29.45 | Thunder_Child | Taroven, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitCanAttack maybe? |
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| 08:30.12 | Thunder_Child | or http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitExists |
| 08:30.21 | Thunder_Child | oh, you used that |
| 08:30.29 | Thunder_Child | and the first one |
| 08:30.34 | Thunder_Child | i need to pay attention more |
| 08:30.37 | Thunder_Child | and sleep |
| 08:31.27 | Taroven | XD |
| 08:32.49 | Taroven | Only thing I can think of is the target event I'm using... |
| 08:33.01 | zenzio | "You want to widen developers' thinking about networking? Leave sockets alone and close off port 80." heh |
| 08:33.05 | Taroven | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED should work just fine though... |
| 08:33.11 | DWSR | ^ |
| 08:33.44 | Thunder_Child | why is if targeting commeneted out? |
| 08:33.52 | Thunder_Child | commented* |
| 08:34.02 | Taroven | Testing different things |
| 08:34.16 | Taroven | Checking if a target is selected at all instead of attackable too |
| 08:34.28 | Taroven | (which still doesn't work) |
| 08:34.57 | durcyn | Taroven: just pastey the whole thing |
| 08:35.01 | Taroven | did |
| 08:35.02 | Taroven | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114123 |
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| 08:36.09 | Taroven | (onupdate code is really only for debug) |
| 08:36.20 | durcyn | your help = and harm = are bogus |
| 08:36.25 | durcyn | on 25+26 |
| 08:36.57 | Taroven | That'd make sense. x.x |
| 08:37.01 | DWSR | double equals for assignment operators? |
| 08:37.03 | Taroven | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.06 | DWSR | superfail. |
| 08:37.06 | Taroven | ./tired too |
| 08:37.11 | durcyn | no, he's just assigning one-off variables instead of functions |
| 08:37.31 | durcyn | so they get defined when the file loads then never change |
| 08:37.44 | DWSR | was about to say. |
| 08:38.07 | DWSR | You'd need to throw those assignments into something for PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED, wouldn't you? |
| 08:38.37 | Taroven | Threw them into the main function, seems to work now |
| 08:38.49 | DWSR | sweet |
| 08:38.52 | Taroven | ^_^ |
| 08:38.53 | Taroven | Thanks |
| 08:39.34 | durcyn | eh, the 'and' bits are still wrong |
| 08:39.38 | Taroven | Knew there was somethink funky about how I was trying to do that. |
| 08:39.46 | DWSR | night |
| 08:40.02 | Taroven | How would you write those, durcyn? |
| 08:42.32 | Adys | http://webkit.org/blog-files/pulse.png |
| 08:42.34 | durcyn | harm = UnitExists("target") and attackable defines harm as attackable's value if the UnitExists() call returns non-nil/non-false |
| 08:42.37 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/games/b959/?cpg=95H |
| 08:43.12 | Taroven | That's actually fine for this. |
| 08:43.14 | durcyn | however, UnitCanAttack() returns nil if either unit doesn't exist, so you don't really even need the other call |
| 08:43.25 | Taroven | really. |
| 08:43.42 | Taroven | I was assuming I'd need a target check to prevent nil errors there. |
| 08:43.48 | durcyn | eh, if you want to do it that way, take off the 'not' on the 'help' line |
| 08:43.55 | msou| | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 08:44.15 | durcyn | Taroven: no, 'if' treats nil the same as false |
| 08:44.31 | msou| | Thunder_Child: going to checkthem once I go home |
| 08:44.36 | Thunder_Child | msou|, np |
| 08:45.08 | msou| | Thunder_Child: though yesterday I was chatting and said "cannot wait to do naxx" and the dude said "good luck with that" they want you to have stats/achievments and good gear |
| 08:45.20 | msou| | the gear are the ones you get from dungeons right? |
| 08:45.23 | durcyn | Taroven: all you really need is if UnitCanAttack('player','target') then ShowWhatever() else HideWhatever() end |
| 08:45.49 | msou| | Thunder_Child: cause I cannot get the purple ones only from raids if I understood correctly |
| 08:45.57 | Thunder_Child | msou|, incorrect |
| 08:46.02 | msou| | hmm |
| 08:46.07 | msou| | battleground? |
| 08:46.10 | Thunder_Child | msou|, the last boss in a heroic drops an epic |
| 08:46.18 | Taroven | Big problem there is the config too |
| 08:46.27 | msou| | oh, so every dungeon on heroic you get an epic item? |
| 08:46.33 | Taroven | I'll figure something out. |
| 08:46.33 | msou| | I see |
| 08:46.53 | Taroven | I wonder... |
| 08:46.55 | durcyn | Taroven: not really. change the if, i.e. if EventHorizonDB.showonlywithtarget and UnitCanAttack('player','target') then foo etc |
| 08:46.58 | msou| | Thunder_Child: mostly I play alone except the group quests |
| 08:47.14 | durcyn | assuming your db is true/false |
| 08:47.21 | Taroven | It is. |
| 08:47.29 | Taroven | I can work it out, thanks. =D |
| 08:48.08 | Thunder_Child | msou|, not hard, just drop yourself into the LFG queue and go about your soloing |
| 08:48.12 | Arrowmaster | if i was told i had to have gear or an achievement to do a naxx pug i wonder what achievement i would link them to piss them off |
| 08:48.47 | msou| | Thunder_Child: will do that definitely.. two more levels and I'll be ready for that stopped yesterday at lvl 78 |
| 08:49.40 | Arrowmaster | pugging isnt fun |
| 08:50.08 | msou| | Arrowmaster: I rarely find mature ppl to play with |
| 08:50.41 | Arrowmaster | all the mature people on my server that i used to play with have quit or transfered |
| 08:50.53 | msou| | the kid was 15 years old said when he asked about my age "oh you might be an adult it's the reason why you didn't get that quest quite fast" |
| 08:51.11 | msou| | I didn't even bother to respond |
| 08:51.30 | Taroven | Got it working. Still using the targeting check, but the checks are all done correctly now. =D |
| 08:56.31 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, "Level 80" |
| 08:57.06 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: nah i was thinking something like exalted hydraxian |
| 08:57.25 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: Mature people are boring in a game |
| 08:57.43 | Arrowmaster | thats not true |
| 08:57.48 | Kalroth | Yes it is |
| 08:57.56 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, lol rep grinding ^__^ com bak when u have epics, nub |
| 08:58.10 | Kalroth | I prefer immature people aged 20+! |
| 08:58.15 | Antiarc | This is my favorite post today. |
| 08:58.18 | Arrowmaster | i got 8/8 tier2 in the bank |
| 08:58.20 | Antiarc | "The Curse owners are going to hell!" |
| 08:58.26 | Kalroth | Antiarc: They're cursed! |
| 08:58.26 | Arrowmaster | 7/8 tier1 (fucking bracers) |
| 08:58.47 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: linky |
| 08:59.00 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904268303&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 08:59.00 | Antiarc | post 15 |
| 08:59.10 | Antiarc | Another WM shill |
| 08:59.30 | Arrowmaster | oh its the thread i already trolled |
| 08:59.45 | Antiarc | aww, he deleted his last post |
| 08:59.59 | Antiarc | Which was basically "I don't believe in hell, but it's nice to think about people getting what they deserve" |
| 09:00.08 | msou| | brb lunch break |
| 09:07.12 | Fisker- | hail to the king baby |
| 09:08.00 | Fisker- | that guy you were discussing with (google code, etc.) yesterday was also a WM shill |
| 09:08.26 | Fisker- | so 7 days until Curse gets shut down |
| 09:08.45 | Fisker- | atleast according to all the e-attorneys at lol |
| 09:08.52 | Antiarc | rofl, what? |
| 09:09.06 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137620868&sid=1 |
| 09:09.25 | Antiarc | oh, hah |
| 09:09.35 | Arrowmaster | i trolled that thread again |
| 09:10.20 | Arrowmaster | have you seen the cartographer comment recently? |
| 09:10.25 | Antiarc | nope |
| 09:10.26 | Arrowmaster | ive been having fun |
| 09:10.28 | Fisker- | naw |
| 09:10.31 | Arrowmaster | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cartographer.aspx |
| 09:12.58 | Arrowmaster | i think all mod authors should take my approch to the situation just so i can see the users reactions |
| 09:14.49 | durcyn | i'd rather not call attention to it |
| 09:15.25 | Arrowmaster | you dont seem to understand how much joy this brings to my normally dull days |
| 09:16.26 | durcyn | i'll bite, how much? |
| 09:16.35 | Arrowmaster | LOTS |
| 09:20.12 | msou| | Arrowmaster: lol |
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| 09:20.30 | msou| | Arrowmaster: I didn't even read his comment entirely |
| 09:20.42 | msou| | updating an addon manually is such a pain in the arse eeh! |
| 09:20.44 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember if i did either |
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| 09:21.17 | Kraftman | its funny how people think it will affect you so much if they stop using your addon |
| 09:22.31 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I personally really want to make a good addon that lots of people will use, but even with me . . . "if you don't spend eight hours working on this one feature that only I care about, I'm going to stop using QH!" is responded to with "alright, cya 'round". |
| 09:22.32 | Antiarc | I like it when people like that stop using my addon |
| 09:22.38 | Antiarc | It means I get to stop listening to them complain |
| 09:23.13 | Antiarc | I try to maintain quality products, but the users don't pay me enough to put up with belligerence :P |
| 09:23.15 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: if I were you I would'nt even bother to respond |
| 09:23.26 | Kraftman | i dont really know what they think addon authors gain from them downloading their addons |
| 09:23.28 | msou| | not my job to feed kids until they explode |
| 09:24.00 | Kraftman | i guess if anyone were relyig on addons as a source of income it would be different |
| 09:24.13 | Kraftman | relying* |
| 09:24.20 | Taroven | submits EventHorizon_Redshift for WoWI approval. =D |
| 09:24.21 | Arrowmaster | some used to be |
| 09:24.35 | Arrowmaster | i sorta am but not really |
| 09:24.44 | Kraftman | do peopel really make that much from donations? :o |
| 09:25.03 | Arrowmaster | some used to |
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| 09:25.37 | Kraftman | i didn't realise anyone ever actually donated :P |
| 09:25.37 | ZorbaTHut | kraft, it comes and goes |
| 09:25.45 | foxlit | "Due to technical issues the login servers are not currently operating at full capacity" |
| 09:25.45 | ZorbaTHut | major patch days are quite nice |
| 09:26.01 | foxlit | which means "trying to login? get stuffed!" |
| 09:26.34 | Arrowmaster | ive never gotten any donations but once curse gets the legal stuff with author rewards cleared up ill be earning some |
| 09:27.36 | Kraftman | are there any stats on bandwidth usage for curse/wowi? |
| 09:27.55 | Antiarc | Yeah, Curse uses something like 500TB-1PB during a patch month |
| 09:27.59 | Arrowmaster | many terabytes a day on patch days |
| 09:28.10 | Kraftman | woah |
| 09:28.22 | Antiarc | It ain't running on a dreamhost account, kids. |
| 09:28.42 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder where the bandwidth is spent |
| 09:28.59 | Antiarc | Addon downloads, Curse, Curseforge, Wowace, ArenaJunkies, World of Raids |
| 09:29.08 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, that's 135 million questhelper downloads, and I don't think there are too many addons much bigger than QH . . . and many, many, many that are far smaller |
| 09:29.18 | Kraftman | wowi says its hosting 20,000MB of addons? |
| 09:29.18 | ZorbaTHut | (I mean in terms of kb :P) |
| 09:29.41 | Arrowmaster | curse has been using 3 to 4 1gigabit network links during patch days and those links were under a full load |
| 09:30.08 | Arrowmaster | they normally dont pay for more than 2 1gigabit network links i think |
| 09:30.09 | Kraftman | surely if its down to multiple downloads of the same addon then it would be better to move to some kind of p2p system? |
| 09:30.19 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:30.28 | Arrowmaster | p2p doesnt work for smaller files |
| 09:30.39 | Antiarc | p2p sucks a lot for small files. |
| 09:30.48 | Kraftman | how small is small? |
| 09:30.58 | ZorbaTHut | why's p2p a problem with smaller files? |
| 09:31.00 | foxlit | p2p works for anything. |
| 09:31.07 | foxlit | If it doesn't work, you're not applying enough 2p |
| 09:31.09 | Arrowmaster | its not efficient at all |
| 09:31.27 | Antiarc | There's a lot of overhead in the p2p systems, and if you're passing that all around to get a 3kb file, ur doin it wrong |
| 09:31.47 | ZorbaTHut | I strongly suspect that the 3k files aren't a signifcant fraction of Curse's bandwidth though |
| 09:31.59 | Kraftman | then break it up into chunks of a few mb |
| 09:32.12 | Antiarc | I mean, the Wowace folks had been considering a torrent setup for addons for literally years, but there were just too many edge problems that popped up every time it was investigated |
| 09:32.28 | Torhal | Yay. I just discovered the joy that is the Dalaran Daily Cooking quest. |
| 09:32.35 | Torhal | /wrists |
| 09:32.45 | Antiarc | I only do the fishing daily |
| 09:32.54 | Antiarc | Best gold/time daily in the game |
| 09:33.21 | Arrowmaster | for something like bittorrent, the tracker also does do a lot traffic usage, if each addon was a seperate torrent i wouldnt be supprised if all the overhead ended up causing more traffic than now |
| 09:33.44 | Kraftman | even if it caused more traffic then now, it would be spread out traffic? |
| 09:33.45 | msou| | Antiarc: not sure how much I spend after that particular fish. tried to do that daily fishing in dalaran and never succeeded |
| 09:34.08 | msou| | Antiarc: do I have to max my fishing skill to do dailies? it's 254 iirc |
| 09:34.11 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster is talking about tracker traffic, not all the traffic in the swarm |
| 09:34.13 | durcyn | is there an extension to the bittorrent protocol that allows metadata to be dynamically changed? |
| 09:34.18 | Kraftman | ahh sorry |
| 09:34.19 | Antiarc | msou|: Nope. Get a fish hook and you can do them easily |
| 09:34.26 | durcyn | msou|: the minimum fihing skill rquired for the daily is 1 |
| 09:34.29 | durcyn | fishing* |
| 09:34.45 | msou| | Antiarc: I did get that three colored thing you buy from her |
| 09:34.59 | durcyn | torrents just seem massively inefficient when the content is that dynamic |
| 09:35.02 | msou| | durcyn: I see.. guess I am not that lucky yet =) |
| 09:35.07 | Arrowmaster | once you make a torrent the data content is set in stone |
| 09:35.10 | Antiarc | msou|: Check the AH for sharpened fish hooks. +100 fishing for 10 minutes, made by blacksmiths, can usually buy in bulk for very cheap |
| 09:35.23 | Arrowmaster | so to change the data you must create a new torrent |
| 09:35.38 | foxlit | "made by blacksmiths" who said what now? |
| 09:35.39 | Kraftman | so all we need to do is completely rewrite the p2p system ^^ |
| 09:35.49 | msou| | Antiarc: will do today, much thanks |
| 09:36.00 | durcyn | Antiarc: lolwut? sharpened hooks are from the outland fishing daily |
| 09:36.09 | Antiarc | I could have sworn smiths could make them at one point |
| 09:36.11 | Antiarc | Huh. Oh well. |
| 09:36.16 | msou| | Antiarc: I maxed my first aid skill 450, now working on fishing and later will work on skinning and minning for the Gold |
| 09:36.17 | Antiarc | Well yeah, outland daily. |
| 09:36.29 | Antiarc | Mining is far better money than skinning, FWIW |
| 09:36.32 | Arrowmaster | you might be able to use another p2p system with more sucesss like a kazaa model but i dont think it would be very speedy |
| 09:36.33 | foxlit | You're thinking of the Aquadynamic Fish Attractor. |
| 09:36.36 | foxlit | And Engineering. |
| 09:36.40 | Antiarc | Must be. |
| 09:36.50 | msou| | Antiarc: yeah I know... first want to hit lvl 80. stopped yesterday at 78 |
| 09:37.04 | ZorbaTHut | if you're doing it off a client, though, speedy isn't hugely important |
| 09:37.10 | Antiarc | Apparently it is |
| 09:37.10 | durcyn | msou|: there's not a level requirement on it either afaik |
| 09:37.17 | Antiarc | Because people are bitching up a STORM about throttled downloads. |
| 09:37.19 | ZorbaTHut | you can download quietly in the background |
| 09:37.30 | foxlit | No, see, Antiarc, that's someone being an ass |
| 09:37.39 | foxlit | If the technology just sucked, you'd see less whining. |
| 09:37.44 | ZorbaTHut | well, that's why you do it for people with "automatic update" turned on |
| 09:37.47 | Arrowmaster | by speedy i mean it would take a long time to find somebody to download from that will let you download without waiting or wait to download from somebody you found a long time ago |
| 09:37.49 | Kraftman | it just seems a bit crazy having such a small overall filesize but then such huge bandwidth requirements (if the wowi figure of 20GB is correct) |
| 09:37.58 | ZorbaTHut | because they won't even notice if it takes an extra 15 minutes. |
| 09:38.01 | msou| | durcyn: nono it's not. I mean first lvl 80 then go back to kalimdur etc |
| 09:38.23 | durcyn | msou|: huh? the questgiver is a fishing trainer too =P |
| 09:38.25 | Antiarc | Well, WoW has 11 million players |
| 09:38.34 | Antiarc | And most of those players use mods |
| 09:38.36 | msou| | durcyn: I know that =) |
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| 09:38.39 | Antiarc | Many of the users use a lot of mods |
| 09:38.49 | Arrowmaster | and most of those dont have wrath |
| 09:38.54 | durcyn | msou|: and you can skill up anywhere now |
| 09:38.56 | msou| | Antiarc: I have two addons installed only |
| 09:38.57 | Antiarc | And mods are updated regularly, which means multiple copies of each mod |
| 09:38.59 | ZorbaTHut | antiarc, most mods are small, and I also disagree that most players use mods |
| 09:39.04 | foxlit | lua> 50*50/1024*11000000 |
| 09:39.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: 26855468.75 |
| 09:39.05 | msou| | durcyn: yup |
| 09:39.06 | Antiarc | I have something like 280 addons right now, without disembedded libs |
| 09:39.33 | Arrowmaster | for a serious p2p system you would need to store the original downloaded copy and have the extracted working one |
| 09:39.52 | Antiarc | WowMatrix's scraping was a massive problem, too. I seem to remember a figure being cited that said that Curse's bandwidth usage dropped 30% when they blocked Wowmatrix. |
| 09:40.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:40.07 | durcyn | i hope you're not trying to make some kind of general statement based on a userbase that still thinks that things like Healbot, KTM, and Titan Panel are state of the art, Antiarc. |
| 09:40.21 | Antiarc | Oh believe me, I know :P |
| 09:40.26 | zenzio | durcyn: wait, they're not!?!?! |
| 09:40.57 | Arrowmaster | wowmatrix was downloading the full addon page for every addon a user had when they started wowmatrix or clicked update, the curse client only uses and xml file to get information about versions |
| 09:41.50 | Arrowmaster | well it used to be xml, they might have moved to something else that isnt as wasteful as xml, although i think the xml was gzip's |
| 09:41.53 | a_nil_value | we could call it |
| 09:41.55 | a_nil_value | the pirate booty bay |
| 09:42.03 | Antiarc | http://thepiratebootybay.com |
| 09:42.08 | Kraftman | ^^ |
| 09:42.13 | Antiarc | I need to make it usable again |
| 09:42.16 | foxlit | The requested URL /sw-m.html was not found on this server. |
| 09:42.16 | Arrowmaster | antiarc registered that a very long time ago |
| 09:42.19 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: yaml? |
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| 09:42.21 | zenzio | that site should have linked to WoWmatrix |
| 09:42.21 | foxlit | q.q. |
| 09:43.03 | a_nil_value | Arrowmaster: I know this :D |
| 09:43.18 | foxlit | grr, auth servers are still entirely broken |
| 09:43.24 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: more likely json knowing ckk, but i dont think he even has access to the addonservice backend or the client |
| 09:43.38 | durcyn | Antiarc: btw, what inspired libinternalcooldowns? |
| 09:43.45 | ZorbaTHut | dammit gimme my last terrorfish before dailies reset |
| 09:43.59 | Antiarc | durcyn: I wanted to see when my Darkmoon: Death card was going to proc for maximizing arena burst |
| 09:44.07 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: json is a subset of yaml :O |
| 09:44.12 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 09:45.04 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:45.11 | jnwhiteh | speed test says my machine is fast |
| 09:45.15 | jnwhiteh | experience disagrees |
| 09:45.19 | Antiarc | Same here |
| 09:45.27 | Antiarc | But my problem is likely a 2-year old XP install |
| 09:45.32 | Antiarc | Which needs a good nuking from orbit |
| 09:45.35 | Arrowmaster | 2 year old? |
| 09:45.39 | Arrowmaster | im using a 5 year old install |
| 09:45.49 | durcyn | Antiarc: should extend it to track enchant procs so i can use it instead of the internal table i have now, imo |
| 09:46.00 | Antiarc | durcyn: I plan to, as well as metagem procs |
| 09:46.03 | Antiarc | I just haven't yet |
| 09:46.14 | durcyn | patch inc then! |
| 09:46.23 | Antiarc | Oh, you have it working in my lib? |
| 09:46.24 | foxlit | There's apparently no EU Realm Status forum |
| 09:46.39 | Antiarc | I guess you'd just need to map enchant procs to a weapon with the enchant on it |
| 09:46.48 | Antiarc | Wonder how to handle double procs, like 2x berserking |
| 09:46.50 | Kraftman | theres a relam status page, but not forum |
| 09:46.57 | Kraftman | realm* |
| 09:47.10 | jnwhiteh | the login servers are phucked |
| 09:47.11 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 09:47.13 | foxlit | yeah, that isn't particularly useful |
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| 09:47.36 | foxlit | I was looking for "our hamsters died, we're getting some new ones shipped in by xx:00" |
| 09:47.49 | Kraftman | ^^ |
| 09:47.49 | durcyn | Antiarc: i'm just tracking it by the buff names currently, for Lightweave specifically |
| 09:48.02 | Antiarc | durcyn: Oh, interesting. |
| 09:48.07 | durcyn | Antiarc: dual wield is going to be a pain in the ass, though |
| 09:48.07 | mufasis | hi |
| 09:48.08 | Antiarc | I have a solution in mind |
| 09:48.21 | Antiarc | durcyn: It doesn't really matter which hand procced, unless you're trying to triple-proc or something |
| 09:48.32 | Antiarc | So you just put the first hand with the enchant on cooldown if it isn't already |
| 09:48.43 | mufasis | can someone help me |
| 09:48.58 | Spellbinder | just ask mufasis |
| 09:49.04 | Antiarc | ~asktoask |
| 09:49.05 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 09:49.23 | jnwhiteh | hrm, can someone ping me when eu login servers stop being dead? |
| 09:49.59 | durcyn | Antiarc: oh, i guess just resetting it on aura_applied would work well enough then |
| 09:50.12 | mufasis | well i just got wow and i have the add on tbc and i was looking for some friends |
| 09:50.37 | Kraftman | >< |
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| 09:51.52 | Antiarc | Are there any shield enchants with an ICD? |
| 09:52.41 | durcyn | Antiarc: i kind of want to reverse your data mapping though, since the spell id is the only constant |
| 09:52.52 | Spellbinder | what realm are you on mu oh |
| 09:52.57 | Antiarc | durcyn: What do you mean? |
| 09:53.11 | Antiarc | The lib builds a reverse lookup table at runtime |
| 09:53.12 | Antiarc | FWIW |
| 09:53.56 | Antiarc | The reason is that two items can proc the same spell, and it's easier to think of the data in terms of items than in terms of procced spells |
| 09:54.58 | durcyn | using spell as the key lets you return different data based on the value type though, you could return a table of items for Greatness, or just =true for enchant procs |
| 09:55.26 | Antiarc | hrm, interesting idea. |
| 09:56.12 | durcyn | also, it lets me be lazy and just use your lib for heatsink =P |
| 09:56.33 | Antiarc | what's heatsink? |
| 09:56.38 | durcyn | candybar cooldown thingy |
| 09:56.53 | Antiarc | The lib has a callback it fires |
| 09:57.04 | Antiarc | So you can just register for the callback and get all the info you need when something goes on CD |
| 09:57.09 | durcyn | i know, i meant in that i've got additional data for non-item procs |
| 09:57.29 | Antiarc | Well, the callback is subject to change as necessary :) |
| 09:58.50 | Antiarc | Hrm. no reason to not reverse the mapping. |
| 10:00.21 | Antiarc | I'll reverse it, I think. |
| 10:14.08 | Antiarc | durcyn: spell ID on Lightweave? |
| 10:14.22 | Spellbinder | waa |
| 10:18.01 | durcyn | Antiarc: 5563 |
| 10:18.04 | durcyn | er 55637, backspace is hard |
| 10:18.13 | Antiarc | Do you have Swordguard and Darkglow on hand? |
| 10:19.57 | durcyn | not handy, and wowhead isn't being useful |
| 10:20.03 | Antiarc | yeah, same problem I have |
| 10:20.19 | durcyn | try 55775 for swordguard |
| 10:20.46 | Antiarc | hot, thanks |
| 10:21.05 | durcyn | and darkglow looks like it goes straight to SPELL_ENERGIZE as 55767 and/or 55768 |
| 10:21.15 | Antiarc | I have 55767 |
| 10:21.19 | Antiarc | I can add 55768 easily enough |
| 10:21.31 | Antiarc | 55768 is the proc chance aura, not the proc |
| 10:21.41 | Antiarc | 55768 is the invisible aura you get on yourself by enchanting the cloak |
| 10:21.45 | durcyn | nah, 55767 has the acutal energeize effect |
| 10:21.52 | Antiarc | right |
| 10:21.54 | durcyn | actual, if i could type |
| 10:22.01 | Antiarc | What extra info do you want in the callback? |
| 10:22.10 | Antiarc | I have two tables, one which is spell = {item, item, item} |
| 10:22.16 | Antiarc | (or just spell = item, if one item) |
| 10:22.41 | Antiarc | A second table is enchant proc ID = {enchant ID, slot1, ... slot n} |
| 10:22.42 | durcyn | all i care about is the spell ID for those, could just do spell=true or something |
| 10:22.52 | durcyn | kind of hard to associate them with an item |
| 10:23.04 | Antiarc | Right, I'm associating with a slot. Can then check item links for the enchant ID |
| 10:23.10 | durcyn | slot would work |
| 10:24.06 | durcyn | i'm not doing anything more complicated than GetSpellInfo with the result at the moment |
| 10:24.29 | Antiarc | Well, the first parameter the callback passes is the spell ID |
| 10:24.37 | Vilkku | what event should I use to get /roll info? |
| 10:24.49 | Antiarc | One of the CHAT_ events, I'm sure |
| 10:24.51 | Antiarc | Not sure which |
| 10:24.54 | Antiarc | Could use DevTools to find it |
| 10:25.09 | Vilkku | I'll do that I guess |
| 10:25.16 | Vilkku | the login servers are being a bitch tho |
| 10:25.23 | durcyn | it's just CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 10:25.38 | durcyn | in the format of RANDOM_ROLL_RESULT |
| 10:26.22 | Vilkku | thanks |
| 10:40.00 | Antiarc | durcyn: Testing enchants and metas now :) |
| 10:41.55 | jnwhiteh | so I have 30 gigs of photos |
| 10:41.58 | Fisker- | http://store.steampowered.com/app/10630/ <-this is making me mad |
| 10:42.16 | jnwhiteh | i want to catalogue and tag them somewhere.. but my hard drive is rather .. limited |
| 10:42.27 | jnwhiteh | so I just leave them sitting around on an external filesystem |
| 10:42.37 | jnwhiteh | which obviously doesn't work with any photo management software |
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| 10:55.19 | Antiarc | welp |
| 10:55.26 | Antiarc | I just discovered that berserking doesn't stack |
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| 10:58.42 | msou| | is reclamation quest a follow up or I can go directly to the questgiver? |
| 10:58.49 | msou| | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12546 |
| 10:58.55 | msou| | I need the helmet :/ |
| 11:05.14 | msou| | aw |
| 11:06.05 | Vilkku | what's the best way of getting a list of people in a channel? |
| 11:06.52 | theorbtwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.01 | Vilkku | as in, for a wow mod |
| 11:07.21 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.49 | Vilkku | thanks |
| 11:08.34 | Vilkku | hmm, actually... how do I proceed to grab the data? |
| 11:10.39 | durcyn | oh, right, that one spews it to CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LIST |
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| 11:11.01 | durcyn | which unfortunately dumps it in your chatframe |
| 11:11.37 | Vilkku | suppose I could get the list when I log in and then just add and remove people as they join or leave the channel instead of grabbing a new list every time then |
| 11:13.36 | Fisker- | you...in the mountains |
| 11:13.37 | Shirik | http://www.alib.com.au/greyfoo/pics/relic_recruit_healer.jpg |
| 11:14.25 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 11:14.29 | Fisker- | ...in the mountains |
| 11:14.43 | durcyn | I REMEMBER YOU, Fisker- |
| 11:15.11 | Fisker- | in the mountains? |
| 11:17.30 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: thats awesome |
| 11:19.14 | Fisker- | is it awesome... in the mountains? |
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| 11:28.19 | Antiarc | durcyn: See #wowace |
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| 11:38.38 | durcyn | Antiarc: #wowuidev-commits, obviously =P i'll see if i can break it |
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| 12:36.58 | dardack | Shirik: that is awesome |
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| 12:51.02 | Lopeppeppy | thinks alestane is a bad, bad man. :) |
| 12:51.11 | alestane | What did I do now? |
| 12:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing. You're a warlock, that's eeeeebil. |
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| 12:54.22 | dardack | haste: you here? |
| 13:08.04 | Antiarc | Man |
| 13:08.08 | Antiarc | Nobody is queueing right now |
| 13:08.16 | Antiarc | We just faced a team rated 1395 |
| 13:08.18 | Antiarc | We're 2260 |
| 13:08.36 | Grum | and you lost? |
| 13:08.43 | Antiarc | They were ret-druid. I opened on the ret at 6:04:35 |
| 13:08.47 | Antiarc | The ret died at 6:04:38 |
| 13:08.59 | Grum | can you say overpowered really fast? |
| 13:09.10 | Antiarc | It was a 0-point win. |
| 13:09.23 | Grum | so? killing anyone in 3 seconds is just meh |
| 13:09.34 | Grum | that is 6k dps |
| 13:09.47 | Antiarc | Killing Spree + Holy Fire + Death card procs |
| 13:09.54 | Antiarc | Priest had Tricks up |
| 13:09.56 | alestane | I'm trying to decide whether the line "Not everything on the internet was made for you to fap over!" is really lame or serious win. |
| 13:10.17 | Grum | alestane: try fapping over it to get to a conclusion |
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| 13:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
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| 13:29.42 | dardack | haste? |
| 13:30.18 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen haste |
| 13:30.21 | purl | haste is currently on #wowuidev (2d 21h 21m 11s) #wowace (2d 21h 21m 11s). Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 9h 47m 8s, last said: 'no idea'. |
| 13:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm guessing that he's on the edge of his sleep cycle and will hopefully come around soon. :) |
| 13:32.15 | dardack | yea |
| 13:32.22 | dardack | i found an error in ouf |
| 13:32.27 | dardack | that fixes the vehicles in Ulduar |
| 13:32.45 | dardack | the power levels anyways if you use power.colors |
| 13:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | You could always PM him on the site, I think he's on WoWI which has a good system. |
| 13:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | Or drop a note in his author comments. More permanent than an IRC chat sometimes. :) |
| 13:35.22 | dardack | aparently UnitPowerType(unit) Power_TYPE_(Steam/Pyrite) but in the ouf.lua the ptype only returns (all the old power) plus FuEL/AmmoSlot so the table doesn't match |
| 13:35.32 | dardack | so don't use comments? |
| 13:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | No, I'm saying do use comments or the WowI PM system. |
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| 13:40.17 | dardack | ok |
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| 13:55.04 | Shirik | you know, I wonder |
| 13:55.13 | Shirik | this seems very odd but it's a random thought I had |
| 13:55.25 | Shirik | Using the "remember account name" option in wow might actually improve security |
| 13:56.13 | Lopeppeppy | Elaborate? |
| 13:56.23 | zenzio | because they can't key-log it except the first time |
| 13:56.28 | Shirik | right |
| 13:56.35 | Shirik | Getting the password is actually only half the battle |
| 13:56.36 | RockSlice | as long as it's stored in encrypted format |
| 13:56.38 | Fisker- | that's why keyloggers flush your WTF |
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| 13:56.40 | Fisker- | also |
| 13:56.45 | Fisker- | They could just read your wtf file :P |
| 13:56.48 | Shirik | ah I didn't think about that |
| 13:56.58 | Shirik | so they should encrypt it :) |
| 13:57.11 | Shirik | though that would be mostly useless |
| 13:57.12 | dardack | just get a dongle |
| 13:57.15 | Shirik | it would have to be reversible |
| 13:57.29 | dardack | i've had mine since they came out, very nice |
| 13:57.30 | RockSlice | biggest thing IMO to increase your computer's security: don't be an idiot |
| 13:57.39 | dardack | rockslice: true dat |
| 13:58.05 | RockSlice | haven't had a single virus found on my computer in over a year :) |
| 13:58.08 | dardack | security most of the time is PICNIC |
| 13:58.27 | RockSlice | (and I do check with multiple scanners) |
| 13:58.42 | Shirik | RockSlice: I have intentionally downloaded viruses in the past year |
| 13:58.45 | Shirik | and my computer's still fine :) |
| 13:58.49 | dardack | well i run linux but i do have 1 windows machine for skype, no Virus scanner, just router/firewall no problems in like 3 years |
| 13:59.03 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, technically it wouldn't have to be reversible, but it would still have to function as a username even if it wasn't reversible |
| 13:59.15 | ZorbaTHut | blizzard could just store a "pre-encrypted" username table, for example, but then the hacker could just inject the same "pre-encrypted" username into their wtf files |
| 13:59.22 | RockSlice | Shirik: as I was saying, you shouldn't be stupid |
| 13:59.44 | dardack | especially since the wtf isn't encrypted at all |
| 14:00.00 | ZorbaTHut | dardack, the WTF *would* have to be decryptable, however |
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| 14:00.27 | dardack | well yea if they pre encrypted it into a table, since alot of those options you can't change except manually |
| 14:00.47 | dardack | i guess they could have 2 files |
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| 14:01.07 | dardack | 1 for the options and the second grabs the data from the unecrypted 1 and encrypts it all |
| 14:01.10 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:01.22 | dardack | but w/e a dongle is the best thing for it |
| 14:01.26 | dardack | i can't even get one from my bank |
| 14:01.49 | Shirik | I can! |
| 14:01.55 | Shirik | My debit card has one on it actually |
| 14:01.59 | Shirik | it's pretty awesome |
| 14:02.08 | dardack | yea the old bank i worked for had them for online banking for business customers but not personal |
| 14:02.13 | dardack | and my credit union doesn't |
| 14:02.19 | dardack | what bank? |
| 14:02.26 | Shirik | bank of america |
| 14:02.37 | Shirik | and they also have temporary credit card numbers now too |
| 14:02.39 | Shirik | which is kinda neat |
| 14:02.41 | dardack | hmmm i love my credit union, but that would almost make me swich |
| 14:03.02 | dardack | cause online banking has been proven over and again not to be the most secure thing on the planet |
| 14:05.14 | dardack | ok i fixed vehicle fuel in ulduar as a driver, now i gotta con someone to waste 30 minutes with me so i can be a passenger |
| 14:06.07 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 14:06.09 | Shirik | my guild is so awesome |
| 14:06.14 | RockSlice | isn't that what guild members are for? |
| 14:06.19 | Shirik | We got into a discussion about how none of us could really know for sure what our ages are |
| 14:06.21 | RockSlice | or SOs... |
| 14:06.26 | Shirik | so I started trying to convince them that I'm actually 16 |
| 14:06.42 | Shirik | They're like "Yeah, a 16 year old with programming experience and knows differential equations. Very believable" |
| 14:07.07 | RockSlice | yeah. diff eq. requires at least 18 |
| 14:08.07 | RockSlice | programming experience at 16 is quite believable, though |
| 14:08.24 | Shirik | "experience" would be the key word |
| 14:08.28 | Shirik | knowing how to program is one thing |
| 14:08.32 | Shirik | having experience is another |
| 14:08.47 | Osstia | but experience is relative |
| 14:09.00 | Osstia | to some that is just the fact that you wrote something that worked |
| 14:09.32 | dardack | rockslice: yes i've already conned one to jump to an alt that wasn't saved last nite with my main |
| 14:10.11 | RockSlice | lol |
| 14:10.40 | dardack | that's where i noticed the oUF_caellian layout didn't correctly display vehicle fuel levels on the pet frame but on all others it worked fine |
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| 14:10.58 | dardack | but when you kill FL you can't test it anymore |
| 14:11.47 | dardack | since it has new power POWER_TYPE_(pyrite/steam) where all I could find online was ?-fuel |
| 14:12.06 | dardack | or ammoslot |
| 14:13.07 | dardack | you would think blizz would make it consistent, mana is mana not power_type_mana, rage same, so threw me off |
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| 14:13.33 | Shirik | tackles Cide |
| 14:13.39 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy because she got missed too |
| 14:13.50 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 14:17.11 | dardack | woot it works as passenger also |
| 14:18.18 | dardack | sigh wish there were new dailies in the arena tourny once you hit crusader |
| 14:18.52 | Antiarc | http://decentcommunity.org/2009/05/05/women-dies-after-using-jackhammer-as-dildo/ |
| 14:19.55 | dardack | sigh stupid people |
| 14:21.39 | dardack | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8047546.stm damn |
| 14:23.30 | alestane | That's worse than the other improvised vibrator, honestly. |
| 14:23.40 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 14:23.46 | Shirik | someone just walked past me, a level 10 rogue |
| 14:23.49 | Shirik | "Quiteone" |
| 14:24.04 | Shirik | I'm not sure whether to tell him or to let him figure it out himself |
| 14:24.15 | dardack | tell him what? |
| 14:24.25 | Shirik | I assume he meant "Quietone" |
| 14:24.31 | Osstia | lol |
| 14:24.33 | dardack | prolly taken |
| 14:24.43 | Shirik | so take Quite instead? >< |
| 14:25.01 | dardack | yea people do that all the time i find, especially on an old server like mine |
| 14:25.17 | Caleb| | not much worse than getting killed by a jackhammer while masturbating |
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| 14:26.44 | Shirik | wtf Caleb| |
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| 14:28.08 | haste | dardack: here now |
| 14:30.04 | RockSlice | Shirik: miss the news link posted 10 minutes ago? |
| 14:30.09 | Shirik | I guess so |
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| 14:32.10 | dardack | haste: you know how i was asking aboue vehicle fuel? |
| 14:32.16 | mikma | well, what can we say? she was jackhammered badly |
| 14:33.46 | haste | dardack: yep |
| 14:35.55 | dardack | haste: in the layout you said that it didn't matter that 'fuel' wasn't defined in the ocal colors = setmetatable({ power = setmetatable({ area, however the fuel is fixed if I add POWER_TYPE_STEAM/PYRITE to it) or if in ouf/elements/power.lua in the elseif(bar.colorPower) then part if i match ptype to POWER_TYPE_Steam/pyrite and return 'fuel' instead of ptye it works, so wasn't sure if this... |
| 14:35.57 | dardack | ...was a problem with the layout or underlying in ouf |
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| 14:37.12 | dardack | cause you mentioned something like if it wasn't defined it would fall back to the defaults from ouf or something |
| 14:37.20 | dardack | sorry i can't remember the exact words |
| 14:37.27 | haste | dardack: I'll take a look at it soonish |
| 14:38.05 | dardack | haste: no hurry, i was just in ulduar with an alt and a guildie testing it out and my fix worked in the layout, jus tthought you should know incase it was an underlying issue in ouf |
| 14:39.24 | alestane | lua> do myFrame and myFrame:Hide() end |
| 14:39.24 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'and' |
| 14:39.42 | alestane | lua> do (myFrame and myFrame:Hide()) end |
| 14:39.42 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: syntax error near 'end' |
| 14:39.48 | alestane | Okay, so that won't work. |
| 14:39.58 | krka | lua> do local _ = myFrame and myFrame:Hide() end |
| 14:39.59 | lua_bot | krka: No output |
| 14:40.27 | alestane | So we have to make a bogus black hole so that it becomes a statement. |
| 14:40.36 | krka | lua> type(myFrame and myFrame:Hide()) |
| 14:40.37 | lua_bot | krka: nil |
| 14:40.55 | krka | i prefer to define the function do :) |
| 14:41.08 | krka | lua> function do() end; do(myFrame and myFrame:Hide()) |
| 14:41.08 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'do' |
| 14:41.19 | krka | err, but that's a keyword :P |
| 14:41.25 | krka | lua> function d() end; d(myFrame and myFrame:Hide()) |
| 14:41.26 | lua_bot | krka: No output |
| 14:41.43 | Cide | or do_(...) |
| 14:42.02 | Cide | but maybe that's my python speaking |
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| 14:46.50 | dardack | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:49.24 | Lopeppeppy | feels duly tackled. |
| 14:49.57 | durcyn | man, today's xkcd |
| 14:50.09 | alestane | pounces on her just to cover all the bases. |
| 14:50.23 | alestane | durcyn: Yeah, that went to kind of a weird place. |
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| 14:51.59 | dardack | haven't seen it yet, gonna go now |
| 14:53.07 | dardack | actually i find it funny |
| 14:53.45 | alestane | It's very specialized humour. |
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| 14:54.17 | foxlit | I propose a new sport |
| 14:54.33 | foxlit | You fly up above Dalaran, then get dismounted by the no-flight zone. |
| 14:54.40 | foxlit | The person that lands furthest away from Dalaran wins. |
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| 14:54.47 | alestane | ...without dying? |
| 14:54.53 | foxlit | Parachute. |
| 14:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | Dying with style should earn extra points. |
| 14:55.05 | alestane | Doesn't the parachute have a time limit? |
| 14:55.15 | foxlit | Not that one |
| 14:55.22 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: There should be a separate category for that. |
| 14:55.23 | foxlit | With proper aim, you can land in the Argent Tournament grounds. |
| 14:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | Without proper aim, you can land on an argent tournament participant. |
| 14:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | Extra points if they die too! |
| 14:57.21 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/107192769 |
| 14:57.49 | alestane | I can just see someone's jousting match "called on account of paratrooper on the field". |
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| 14:58.56 | Lopeppeppy | on account of paratrooper all over the field, you mean |
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| 15:10.27 | kneeki | Could someone share to me why: f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(event) if event == "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" then timer = 5 end end) |
| 15:10.29 | Vilkku | I got a really stupid question |
| 15:10.37 | kneeki | Does not work at all? And yes, I'm registering the event |
| 15:10.43 | kneeki | Vilkku, Ask it |
| 15:10.47 | Vilkku | how do I make a slash command that takes two args? |
| 15:10.50 | alestane | kneeki: because event will be a frame. |
| 15:10.54 | Vilkku | well, two or more |
| 15:11.00 | Lopeppeppy | Vikku, example of what you're talking about? |
| 15:11.07 | kneeki | Vilkku, have your slash command parse msg |
| 15:11.15 | Vilkku | like /slash arg1 arg2 |
| 15:12.03 | kneeki | alestane, I'm confused. Why is it if I change it to f:SetScript("OnEvent", function() blah:OnEvent(event) end) it will work just fine then? |
| 15:12.20 | Vilkku | kneeki, could you provide a quick code example? |
| 15:12.34 | Cide | because self is the first argument |
| 15:12.35 | alestane | kneeki: Because in that case you're using the obsolete global variable _G["event"]. |
| 15:12.36 | Cide | not event |
| 15:12.38 | kneeki | Vilkku, I think |
| 15:12.58 | kneeki | Oh I see |
| 15:13.00 | Cide | change it to function(self, event) and your first example works |
| 15:13.13 | alestane | kneeki: Just change function (event) to function(self,ev...too slow. |
| 15:13.22 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:14.20 | kneeki | Vilkku, drat, I've lost my snippet =\ |
| 15:16.12 | Vilkku | while I continiue asking simple questions... how do I make a mod without the xml file (it obviously has no frames)? currently I got stuff like <OnEvent></OnEvent> and OnLoad in the xml, but I know you can do it from just the lua file |
| 15:16.53 | kneeki | Vilkku, frame:RegisterEvent("EVENT_NAME"); frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event) if event == "EVENT_NAME" then dostuff end end) |
| 15:17.15 | alestane | Vilkku: something like local function slashHelper(...) --[[doSomeStuff]] end; SlashCmdList["YourCmd"] = function(msg) slashHelper(string.split(" ", msg)) end |
| 15:17.22 | foxlit | aaaaaa not conquest hold not conquest hold! |
| 15:17.34 | alestane | foxlit: Seriously? |
| 15:17.38 | foxlit | phew. Voldrune. |
| 15:17.45 | Shirik | !reload |
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| 15:18.17 | foxlit | Actually landed in Rivenwood |
| 15:18.26 | Shirik | !reload |
| 15:18.28 | Shirik | sigh |
| 15:18.39 | foxlit | seriously, reload without dropping IRC connection already |
| 15:18.40 | Lopeppeppy | He didn't come back this time. |
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| 15:18.47 | Shirik | He's supposed to foxlit |
| 15:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hello Shiibot. |
| 15:18.55 | foxlit | He's defective. |
| 15:18.56 | Shirik | actually what I'm doing is testing failure modes |
| 15:19.10 | Shirik | he's supposed to say "can't do that, you jacked something up" |
| 15:19.10 | foxlit | Let's scrap him! |
| 15:19.14 | Shirik | not "pz lates!" |
| 15:20.07 | Shirik | doesn't help my log file is like 1GB |
| 15:20.11 | Shirik | and takes forever to load |
| 15:20.16 | Zamoria | road cones protect my head! |
| 15:20.23 | Zamoria | s/road cones protect my head!/morning/ |
| 15:20.26 | Lopeppeppy | We're coming! |
| 15:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | I finished the free trial. I want more. *sigh* |
| 15:20.45 | Zamoria | it's only $10 on Steam |
| 15:21.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I'm being awful budget conscious until I move though. Frivolous is frivalent. *nod* |
| 15:21.13 | Zamoria | *nod* |
| 15:21.21 | AckisWork | who owns lua_bot? |
| 15:21.39 | alestane | Lopeppeppy, Zamoria: What exactly are you talking about? |
| 15:21.46 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph. Dunno. |
| 15:21.56 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, a new Popcap game, Plants vs. Zombies!! |
| 15:22.06 | alestane | I see. |
| 15:22.10 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: is that a tower defense one? |
| 15:22.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ish ish ish, Ackis. |
| 15:22.23 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 15:22.36 | Zamoria | alestane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ |
| 15:22.47 | Shirik | !reload |
| 15:22.47 | Shiibot | Cannot reload configuration. Using fail safes. config.lua:16: '=' expected near 'LOCK_CHANNEL' |
| 15:22.50 | Shirik | Thank you! |
| 15:22.52 | Shirik | gah |
| 15:23.01 | Trela__ | !reload |
| 15:23.05 | Shirik | !reload |
| 15:23.05 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 15:23.09 | Shirik | ok now I go to sleep |
| 15:23.28 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~/spambot $ :wq |
| 15:23.28 | Shirik | -bash: :wq: command not found |
| 15:23.34 | Shirik | Note to self: Bash is not vim |
| 15:23.40 | Osstia | lol |
| 15:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | Pine is not ELM |
| 15:28.23 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 15:28.53 | AckisWork | Shirik|zZz: going to bed? I didn't know you're EU |
| 15:28.58 | Shirik|zZz | I'm not |
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| 15:29.28 | Corrodias | i wish i were about to go sleep |
| 15:29.32 | Corrodias | but i'm about to go to work >:( |
| 15:29.41 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well, Shirik |
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| 15:33.40 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: go to sleep at work like the rest of us |
| 15:33.48 | Vilkku | more silly questions |
| 15:34.06 | Vilkku | if I got my function in the format frame:function will it only be useable locally? |
| 15:34.08 | alestane | No question asked from a sincere desire for information is silly. |
| 15:34.15 | alestane | Vilkku: No. |
| 15:34.23 | alestane | That's not what that means. |
| 15:34.39 | Vilkku | how would I use the function say Vilkku:Awesome in a macro? |
| 15:34.59 | Vilkku | currently it complains that it is a nil value |
| 15:35.06 | alestane | if you want a function to only be usable locally, declare it as "local function suchandsuch()" |
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| 15:36.23 | Vilkku | o wait, it might be giving me troubles because I have to restart |
| 15:36.40 | alestane | The declaration "function something:method(...) code() end" is exactly the same as declaring "something.method = function(self, ...) code() end". |
| 15:37.09 | alestane | And "Frame:Hide()" is almost exactly the same as saying "Frame.Hide(Frame)". |
| 15:37.26 | Cide | almost? |
| 15:38.07 | alestane | Cide: if Frame had been an expression, that expression is only evaluated once when using method syntax. |
| 15:38.43 | Vilkku | "attempt to index global 'Gamamod' (a nil value)" |
| 15:38.50 | Cide | alestane: ah, good point |
| 15:38.55 | Vilkku | Gamamod = CreateFrame("frame") |
| 15:39.24 | alestane | It's more accurate to say it's exactly the same as "do local object = Frame; object.method(object) end"" |
| 15:40.28 | Cide | aye |
| 15:40.32 | dardack | yawn |
| 15:40.36 | Cide | Vilkku: spelling much |
| 15:41.54 | Vilkku | I don't find any typos? =/ |
| 15:42.03 | dardack | i'm gonna go eat |
| 15:42.12 | Cide | I'm blind |
| 15:42.58 | Fisker- | SHIRIK |
| 15:42.59 | Vilkku | question remains, why does it fail? |
| 15:43.05 | Cide | because you fail |
| 15:43.42 | Vilkku | reassuring, thanks |
| 15:43.49 | Vilkku | I fixed it |
| 15:43.52 | Vilkku | means I don't fail |
| 15:43.54 | Vilkku | \o/ |
| 15:44.05 | Cide | not really |
| 15:44.09 | Cide | exclusion of one doesn't mean total lack |
| 15:46.01 | Adys | Fisker-: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/dnn6Fi5lFYM/article.pl |
| 15:46.06 | Adys | look at that |
| 15:46.19 | Adys | ms releases 14 major security patches in a single day |
| 15:46.35 | Adys | which is 2 less than your article from earlier on said they released for the entire year of 2007. |
| 15:49.10 | dardack | yea but they didn't release the office updates for aplpe yet |
| 15:49.13 | dardack | kinda stupid |
| 15:50.19 | mikma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000_Ways_to_Die |
| 15:50.56 | Adys | A man is split in half by an 18-wheeler while working under his car in a parking lot. His torso and legs were accidentally sent to separate hospitals |
| 15:51.11 | Adys | quick, I need a pun |
| 15:51.16 | foxlit | Haven't used office in... two years. |
| 15:51.43 | dardack | i'm a linux user so at home me iether, and i have 2 machines at work, the forensic one has open, but the one locked down only has MS |
| 15:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, "head over heels" comes to mind, but I'm not sure how to use it. |
| 15:51.47 | dardack | so kinda dont' have a choice |
| 15:52.13 | Zamoria | Adys: perhaps something involving fedex/ups? |
| 15:52.22 | Adys | nah its getting too late now =( |
| 15:53.42 | Vilkku | another question... function slashHelper(...) <- what are those dots? |
| 15:54.19 | alestane | One second. |
| 15:54.30 | Zamoria | http://www.google.com/search?q=lua+vararg |
| 15:54.38 | Adys | http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/?p=2002 |
| 15:54.42 | Adys | java, tree, warts |
| 15:54.42 | Adys | quick |
| 15:54.44 | Adys | another pun |
| 15:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, what are you doing? *confused* |
| 15:55.05 | Adys | catching up on my rss reader |
| 15:55.10 | AckisWork | hmm is there a clear line on if a certain spell is from original, BC or wrath? |
| 15:55.18 | Adys | no ackis |
| 15:55.26 | Adys | compare dbcs if you got versions |
| 15:55.28 | AckisWork | bleh |
| 15:55.30 | theorbtwo | He was split personally? |
| 15:55.53 | AckisWork | Adys: no dbc's, just wanted to add an ARL filter for original, BC, wrath |
| 15:56.20 | Zamoria | Vilkku: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.9 |
| 15:56.24 | alestane | Vilkku: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.9 |
| 15:56.26 | theorbtwo | Er, um... isn't a better question if it's learnable without going in addon-requring areas? |
| 15:56.30 | theorbtwo | You already have data for that. |
| 15:56.34 | alestane | Zamoria: JINX! |
| 15:56.50 | Zamoria | MY SODA! |
| 15:57.23 | Lopeppeppy | My soda! |
| 15:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | Mine. |
| 15:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | I win. |
| 15:57.53 | theorbtwo | saw Zamoria's first. Then again, Lopeppeppy capped hers correctly. |
| 15:58.06 | alestane | I wonder if prul could be set up to call jinxes automatically if two people say exactly the same thing within a certain number of seconds. |
| 15:58.35 | End | probably, but not by us :P |
| 15:58.40 | alestane | purl* |
| 15:58.49 | theorbtwo | alestane: There was a bot on another channel of mine that did that. |
| 15:58.53 | theorbtwo | It was rather annoying. |
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| 15:59.08 | theorbtwo | Then again, that was mostly because it was too sensitive. |
| 15:59.12 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 15:59.46 | theorbtwo | Sooner or later, you dance with the reaper. |
| 16:00.03 | Lunessa | They Melvined me. |
| 16:00.09 | theorbtwo | That's a bit ominous, but I couldn't remember any other good catchphrases from that film... |
| 16:00.13 | theorbtwo | Melvined? |
| 16:00.39 | Lunessa | They yanked his tighty-whities up REALLY high. |
| 16:00.47 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 16:01.01 | theorbtwo | is more familiar with "wedgied". |
| 16:05.08 | Osstia | haha, I grew up saying melvin |
| 16:05.39 | Osstia | I didn't start using wedgie till i got to junior high and saw caddy shack |
| 16:08.05 | Lunessa | If you're an energy drink aficionado... http://cad-comic.com/comic.php |
| 16:08.52 | alestane | Yes, I saw that. |
| 16:09.18 | Adys | FAIL |
| 16:09.19 | Adys | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=11893 |
| 16:09.34 | Adys | Cide: you might laugh |
| 16:09.48 | Adys | an actual chromium dev saying that, brb shedding tears |
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| 16:10.53 | Cide | s/completely/at all/ |
| 16:11.53 | Zamoria | Lunessa: lol |
| 16:12.18 | Adys | grrrr |
| 16:12.24 | Adys | pulse bullshit getting my head in |
| 16:12.25 | Adys | brb |
| 16:12.27 | alestane | Didn't the pythons devs say that 3.0 was the first intentionally backwardly-incompatible release of Python? |
| 16:12.27 | Lunessa | I've seen all kinds of clever marketing names, but BEWBS might actually work. |
| 16:12.53 | dardack | http://iamshane.com/2009/05/09/of-atms-iphones-and-911/ |
| 16:13.44 | Lopeppeppy | BEWBS to match BAWLS? |
| 16:14.22 | Zamoria | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php |
| 16:15.43 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/my-biggest-and-loudest-fan/1947 |
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| 16:22.56 | Adys | finally got sound again |
| 16:26.04 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.01 | Lopeppeppy | The flyover text is the best |
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| 16:30.12 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/atone-for-sins-make-peace-with-maker-close-phone-account/1943 |
| 16:30.52 | Kraps | is that AYB themed? |
| 16:33.52 | Fisker- | old Lunessa |
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| 16:35.58 | Fisker- | http://notalwaysright.com/a-flock-of-explorers-on-a-safari-singing-opera/1944 <-i saw what they did there |
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| 16:51.11 | Lunessa | Fisker-: It's no hamster on a piano, eating popcorn. |
| 16:57.13 | kraftman | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169266/Pictured-Shocking-moment-polar-bear-attacks-woman-climbed-zoo-enclosure.html |
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| 16:57.40 | kraftman | its as stupid as it sounds |
| 16:58.14 | Wobin | http://www.brokenpicturetelephone.com/view?id=1946 <-- this is brilliant |
| 16:58.20 | Fisker- | Not as stupid as http://decentcommunity.org/2009/05/05/women-dies-after-using-jackhammer-as-dildo/ |
| 16:58.38 | kraftman | yeh i saw ^^ |
| 17:00.55 | Trela__ | o.o |
| 17:01.14 | Duman | jesus |
| 17:01.24 | Duman | too many dumb people |
| 17:02.03 | theorbtwo | Duman: The ones that don't kill themselves are the ones you should worry about. |
| 17:02.31 | Lunessa | kraftman: Please tell me that idiot hasn't bread. |
| 17:03.06 | Kraps | i hate my computer, mem usage: 333000k/395820k |
| 17:03.21 | kraftman | do you mean multiplied or baked? |
| 17:03.43 | Kraps | only things open are quickbooks, ie6, chatzilla |
| 17:04.09 | Cide | pretty sure that's not the case |
| 17:04.16 | Cide | YOU HAEV VIRUS LOL |
| 17:04.31 | mikma | Byelol private data |
| 17:04.39 | theorbtwo | You only have 400MB RAM? |
| 17:05.18 | theorbtwo | Also, using chatzilla and ie6 at the same time is quite probably silly. Use chatzilla and firefox, since chatzilla already loads most of the libraries firefox would load. |
| 17:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | using ie6 is sillt |
| 17:09.56 | ScytheBlade1 | s/sillt/silly/ |
| 17:10.18 | Kraps | ie6 is quicker on this pc believe it or not |
| 17:10.31 | Kraps | win 2k |
| 17:11.04 | AckisWork | ~api GetRealZoneText |
| 17:11.05 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRealZoneText |
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| 17:16.45 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: Nice. Good to see you open up with both barrels and give that guy the swift kick in the me-topia he was living in. |
| 17:17.51 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Cairenn |
| 17:18.30 | alestane | Whatwhere? |
| 17:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | Spammy McSpammer's topic on open sourcing addons. |
| 17:19.00 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn blasted him, that's why he ran and made a new topic instead. |
| 17:19.42 | mikma | lal |
| 17:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | Because he wanted less of the hostility, omg, why are people so hostile? |
| 17:20.37 | Kraps | linkage? |
| 17:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | Because you're a social reject who thinks he has a new idea, but is actually selling shit popsicles out of the disney ice cream truck? |
| 17:20.50 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267249&sid=1 p. 4 for Cairenn. |
| 17:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904268459&sid=1 is his sparkly new thread on the exact same topic. |
| 17:22.12 | mikma | smite him with link to cairenn's post |
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| 17:22.51 | Lunessa | shit popsicles? Ewwwwww. |
| 17:23.22 | alestane | I saw the repeat post. Supposedly He's revised his proposal to address some of the concerns raised in the first thread, but I didn't actually compare them for functional differences. |
| 17:23.22 | Kraps | tl;dr |
| 17:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is not in a good mood, rawr. |
| 17:23.46 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, doesn't matter. 2 threads same topic different words = spammy mcspammerson. |
| 17:24.08 | End | The dust might never settle |
| 17:24.52 | |Jelly| | huggles Peppy. |
| 17:25.14 | Kraps | minion goes to open beta testing next Sunday? woot! |
| 17:26.40 | kneeki | PossessButtons are the buttons which appear when a priest mind controls, right? |
| 17:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | Ish, Kraps. |
| 17:26.52 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Jelly. Sheeple suck. |
| 17:27.02 | Kraps | :( |
| 17:27.22 | airtonix | kneeki, correct |
| 17:27.29 | kneeki | airtonix, Ok, thanks |
| 17:27.55 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy:"Addon developers will host their addons where they choose." NOOOOOOO |
| 17:28.05 | airtonix | kneeki, might also be the buttons you get for vehicles |
| 17:28.09 | alestane | Hey wow, Mairelon followed up on Cairenn's posted. I haven't seen anything from him for a while. |
| 17:28.14 | kneeki | ok |
| 17:28.16 | airtonix | kneeki, i could be wrong there though |
| 17:28.35 | kneeki | airtonix, I think those would be: VehicleMenuBarActionButtons |
| 17:29.01 | Lopeppeppy | Oh I know, Kraps, how hideous. |
| 17:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | AFK for some sucky sheeple with wonky laptops. |
| 17:29.59 | Kaelten | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15211005823&sid=1 |
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| 17:30.44 | alestane | Yes, I just saw that. |
| 17:31.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "Then again I have a mac =)" |
| 17:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | One of these days I'll snap and write a WoW keylogger for OSX |
| 17:31.38 | Esamynn | lol |
| 17:31.41 | Esamynn | doo et! |
| 17:33.49 | Lunessa | SBO - You should just write something that pops a frame (modal) that says "Logging keys .... Please wait ..." Then "Uploading your account information to 200 pirate web sites ... " |
| 17:34.15 | Lunessa | And that's it. :) |
| 17:34.31 | Dagmar | Just use JavaScript to make it say that sort of stuff in the browser status bar. |
| 17:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly I just want to snap their pretentious necks and move on |
| 17:34.39 | Dagmar | I betcha weeks would go by before someone noticed |
| 17:35.04 | Osstia | I play on a mac, and i hate mac users |
| 17:36.20 | Lunessa | I don't hate mac users, no more than I hate Windows or *nix users. |
| 17:36.48 | airtonix | i hate z80 users |
| 17:36.56 | Osstia | z80 users hate you |
| 17:36.58 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 17:37.37 | airtonix | fckn z80 and their 'molten-core' |
| 17:38.17 | dardack | i use linux and can't stand some of the attitude the *nix users have |
| 17:38.41 | Esamynn | ~lart airtonix |
| 17:38.41 | purl | moos at airtonix |
| 17:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The difference with OSX and linux users, is that linux has a LONG history of some very, very nasty rootkits |
| 17:38.53 | Osstia | I use Solaris, Linux, OSX, and various flavors of windows daily. they all have their benefits and drawbacks |
| 17:39.06 | dardack | airtonix: i got my vehicle fuel fixed,and the combo poitns thanks for all your help yesterday |
| 17:39.09 | Esamynn | Osstia: BLASPHEMY!!! |
| 17:39.19 | Osstia | Esamynn, lol |
| 17:39.36 | airtonix | dardack, yeah i was in ulduar just before and i notice my pet /vehicle frame was working as intended, what was your issue? |
| 17:40.12 | dardack | airtonix: in the layout you said that it didn't matter that 'fuel' wasn't defined in the ocal colors = setmetatable({ power = setmetatable({ area, however the fuel is fixed if I add POWER_TYPE_STEAM/PYRITE to it) or if in ouf/elements/power.lua in the elseif(bar.colorPower) then part if i match ptype to POWER_TYPE_Steam/pyrite and return 'fuel' instead of ptye it works, so wasn't sure if... |
| 17:40.14 | dardack | ...this was a problem with the layout or underlying in ouf |
| 17:40.21 | AckisWork | muhahhaha IRNERD ==IRC== Feel free to join us on irc at http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=5ec9a69db8a1d54761f84aa78810f1a2&server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23arl&noServerNotices=true&noServerMotd=true&autoConnect=true |
| 17:40.34 | Esamynn | Osstia: how dare you use the best tool for the job, you're suppose to hack at one until it does everything! :P |
| 17:40.51 | airtonix | dardack, i'd say layout because i don't do that in my layout |
| 17:40.59 | dardack | ok |
| 17:41.11 | Osstia | fails |
| 17:41.59 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: You can't really count this "long history" against Linux because OSX didn't exist then |
| 17:42.00 | dardack | well i just had to define for power colors POWER_TYPE_* and it worked, which why blizz changed the naming convention, like rage, mana, energy, but then you get POWER_TYPE |
| 17:42.26 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: All it really means is that OSX has _no excuse_ should they commit sins of the past |
| 17:42.33 | airtonix | dardack, i only make two changes to the ouf core for my layouts to work: aura@ icon.timeLeft (for aura countdown timers) & aura@update createFakeIcon (for when the user is fiddling with the aura config gui and needs visual feedback on the result) |
| 17:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: that's more or less my point |
| 17:42.41 | Kraps | HOLY TEXT CRIT Cairenn |
| 17:42.47 | Dagmar | AH okay, I misunderstood |
| 17:43.42 | dardack | airtonix: i believe you was just wired that in power.lua in the ouf underlying if i check for the power_type and return FUEL or ammoslot the 2 new generic returns, it then works |
| 17:44.08 | dardack | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.37 | Esamynn | Kraps: hmm, to what are you referring? |
| 17:45.36 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267249&sid=1&pageNo=4 POST 77 |
| 17:45.47 | Kraps | starting |
| 17:45.55 | alestane | What soes "tl;dr" signify? |
| 17:46.01 | Zamoria | too long didn't read |
| 17:46.29 | Dagmar | "I am a whiny bitch" |
| 17:46.46 | airtonix | iaawb |
| 17:46.58 | End | I read the TL;DR and it said it wasn't for me, so I didn't read the rest of it |
| 17:47.04 | Lunessa | alestane: It means, "I couldn't be arsed to read your post because I have less attention-span that the average fan of TRL on MTV." |
| 17:47.27 | End | I did read some of the later posts, and apparently as an author, the proposal really wasn't for me from what I hear some people saying |
| 17:47.46 | End | (if we're talking about that Noboom guy) |
| 17:48.15 | End | (Putting a TL;DR might help if it was a better summary) |
| 17:48.16 | airtonix | what was it naom chomsky said about the length of t'v commericals and the reason they are that long? |
| 17:48.28 | airtonix | t |
| 17:48.30 | airtonix | l;dr |
| 17:48.34 | Dagmar | Short attention spans. |
| 17:48.39 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.55 | airtonix | Dagmar, yes thats half of what he said |
| 17:49.09 | Dagmar | I was leaving out the commentary he made on the quality of the people. |
| 17:49.27 | Dagmar | Nothing Noam Chomsky says is that simple |
| 17:49.37 | airtonix | it had a dual purpose with relation to the content being shown( content != advert) |
| 17:49.46 | Lunessa | End: *shrug* He wants to create a downloader and a directory. His motivations are not really designed to make things better fro authors and sites. His motivation is really to make things better for users. He believes that the "competition" will be healthy, but I fail to see any benefits other than another "scraping" client for users. |
| 17:50.15 | Dagmar | ...along those lines it would be awesome if someone could get a picture of him wearing a t-shirt that says "TL;DR" |
| 17:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | Which is why Peppy talked about shit popsicles, Lunessa. :) |
| 17:50.48 | End | so he's only courting users |
| 17:50.53 | End | when authors control the content? |
| 17:51.05 | End | (and sites provide the bulk of the support authors need and use) |
| 17:51.11 | Dagmar | Someone could maybe stand to explain to that kid that it's not necessary for sites to "compete" on the internet |
| 17:51.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I want to be an IRC nerd with you, but I don't mibbits. |
| 17:51.43 | Lopeppeppy | End: Exactly |
| 17:51.57 | Lunessa | There's nothing wrong with a directory and downloader - but he's dressing up his idea in FSF and OSI language without considering the implications of his manifesto. Sort of like Marx or Kasinsky. |
| 17:52.01 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: just added it there for people to connect easily from the page, it's #arl |
| 17:52.03 | End | See, his proposal really wasn't for me. :P |
| 17:52.18 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Not "dressing up", "propagandizing" |
| 17:52.46 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I was trying to soften my language. But I guess my references to marx and Kasinsky sort of ruined that. |
| 17:53.20 | Dagmar | Wait, I see the problem |
| 17:53.27 | Dagmar | This guy is from ZFT's alternate universe |
| 17:53.33 | airtonix | Dolby, any news on support for git at wowinterface? |
| 17:53.33 | Dagmar | "It also used to be that there were 4-5 reasonably well-maintained programs for updating them." <-- this never happened in our reality |
| 17:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... alternate universiii! |
| 17:54.45 | zenzelezz | airtonix: try wowmatrix, we know they're gits |
| 17:54.51 | airtonix | lulz |
| 17:55.02 | alestane | What I am tempted to tell these people is that the so-called "community" many of these people refer to is and has always been primarily a community of authors and contributors. The people they are collectively referring to when they talk about the "community" are a bunch of people who take everything given them and leave nothing but complaints, and biology has a term for an organism or ecology that lives off another one without contri |
| 17:55.02 | alestane | They call such a creature a parasite. |
| 17:55.03 | alestane | I am sorely tempted to tell this guy that he and the people he is standing up for are a lamprey chewing on the side of aformerly healthy UI community. |
| 17:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: you know I've been debating saying the same thing |
| 17:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: about two minutes ago, to be precise |
| 17:55.58 | Dagmar | I'm sure you can find a compelling way to use a more traditional "leech" in the explanation if you try |
| 17:56.07 | Dagmar | No need to malign the innocent lamprey eel |
| 17:56.18 | End | lol |
| 17:56.25 | airtonix | [insert meme here] |
| 17:56.35 | Lunessa | I said as much a while back, though I made a pun parasite and para-site. :P |
| 17:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly, the only place I could post it would be WoWI, which would incite flames, which I don't want |
| 17:56.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Or my blog, which is entirely unrelated |
| 17:56.54 | zenzelezz | lecherous leeches of the lowlife family |
| 17:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|zZz: you know, for a "daily" update thread, you're pretty bad at the "daily" part :) |
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| 17:58.48 | Lunessa | brb.. need to reboot. |
| 17:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | If I spewed half of my anger at these people, I would have my dino bow taken away. :( |
| 18:00.11 | alestane | Dagmar: I suppose it's not really the lamprey's fault...if he had an actual jaw, he might actually be able to stand on its own. |
| 18:00.15 | alestane | his* |
| 18:00.21 | Esamynn | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:00.21 | purl | eats ScytheBlade1 and falls over dead |
| 18:00.22 | End | what's the use of being a dino if you can't bite people's heads off :( |
| 18:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: ? |
| 18:00.38 | Esamynn | leave poor Shirik|zZz alone, meanie! |
| 18:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya, End, but slouken would roll over in his piratical grave or something. |
| 18:00.50 | End | lol |
| 18:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: it's almost my job to harass him |
| 18:01.11 | Esamynn | you view it as your job to harrass the world! :P |
| 18:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 18:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, okay, point to you |
| 18:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | Do not harass the Peppy. *sniff sniff* |
| 18:01.36 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, i get paid to do it |
| 18:01.46 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Thunder_Child |
| 18:01.47 | purl | ACTION beats Thunder_Child upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:01.54 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge Esamynn |
| 18:01.55 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of Esamynn's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 18:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: /envy |
| 18:02.19 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: unprovoked huh? |
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| 18:02.38 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, yep |
| 18:02.54 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, yes, a verbal response does not beget a physical one |
| 18:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *giggle* |
| 18:03.22 | Esamynn | says who? plenty of historical counterexamples :P |
| 18:03.35 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, doesnt mean they are correct |
| 18:03.52 | Esamynn | doesn't mean they're wrong either! |
| 18:05.02 | Lopeppeppy | Shoot the messenger, shoot the messenger!! |
| 18:05.41 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, stop perpetuating fail human reactions |
| 18:07.13 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: look whose talking, all you do is hassle people instead of contributing something useful! :P |
| 18:07.47 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, that however is not a reaction, it is an action |
| 18:08.34 | Esamynn | of course it's a reaction, it's a reaction to the action/inaction of those around you |
| 18:09.05 | Kraps | "switch to earthlink dial-up for only 9.99 a month (and save on internet)" |
| 18:09.09 | Kraps | wat |
| 18:09.17 | Thunder_Child | nope, umm...i dont think you can react to inaction |
| 18:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, you very much can so. |
| 18:09.39 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: not in physics, no |
| 18:09.58 | Esamynn | but this isn't physics, is it? |
| 18:10.21 | Thunder_Child | everything is math, dont you read xkcd? |
| 18:10.57 | Thunder_Child | http://compadre.dk/blog/wp-content/purity.png |
| 18:11.06 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: http://xkcd.com/55/ |
| 18:11.09 | alestane | I consider it more accurate to s ay that math can be anything. |
| 18:11.24 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, mine works |
| 18:11.34 | RockSlice | you can react to the cessation of action |
| 18:11.48 | RockSlice | which would mean reacting to inaction |
| 18:11.51 | Zamoria | ceasing an action is an action in and of itself |
| 18:11.56 | Thunder_Child | which means something had to be there in the first place |
| 18:12.04 | Zamoria | especially when you consider relativity |
| 18:12.06 | Thunder_Child | my point is i can hassle people w/o them doing anything |
| 18:12.06 | alestane | Some disciplines, however, are so far removed from the physical axioms in their operation that I'm not sure humans can construct a mathematics capable of describing them. |
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| 18:12.22 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:12.26 | Zamoria | ary |
| 18:13.29 | Lopeppeppy | like sex, alestane |
| 18:14.03 | Esamynn | the action, or the idea? |
| 18:14.17 | alestane | Starting with, I'm not sure when a mathematics would be considered to have "described sex." |
| 18:14.27 | Esamynn | HAHA! |
| 18:14.43 | RockSlice | well, first we have to fully understand sex, which we don't |
| 18:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | Says you, RockSlice. |
| 18:15.19 | RockSlice | we need more experimentation... |
| 18:15.25 | RockSlice | they only discovered the nerve responsible for women's orgasms a few years ago |
| 18:15.42 | aesir | I found it when I was 16. What was the hold up? |
| 18:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | "they" |
| 18:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously, what's the holdup? *giggle* |
| 18:16.02 | Thunder_Child | the physics of copulation can be explained rather easy in math |
| 18:16.07 | Lunessa | tries not to laugh. |
| 18:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | I said sex, not copulation |
| 18:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | So different. |
| 18:16.25 | RockSlice | are you denying that more experimentation would be a waste? |
| 18:16.50 | Lopeppeppy | RockSlice, I'm always up for the scientific method. I'll bring the popcorn, you hire the porn actors. |
| 18:17.05 | alestane | He has a point. To be acceptable, a single theorem should be able to explain both repressed, "conception-only" practices, hippie free-love, and sado-masochism. |
| 18:17.09 | Lunessa | Considering I went to college with guys who computed the number of strokes per minutes the average male would have to make to "go the US national speed limit." I think math can be used to describe sex. |
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| 18:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 18:17.53 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 18:18.06 | Lopeppeppy | is wicked... Oh! Huggles for Gryphon! |
| 18:18.17 | alestane | Can there be a grand unified field theory of human sexuality? Or, for that matter, non-human sexuality? |
| 18:18.20 | Zamoria | 4-5cm/s |
| 18:18.21 | Zamoria | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7992299.stm |
| 18:18.34 | RockSlice | so you're talking about the entire gender phenomenon? |
| 18:18.42 | Lopeppeppy | Whuzza genduhr? |
| 18:18.54 | Esamynn | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 18:18.54 | purl | calls Lopeppeppy on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 18:19.06 | Lopeppeppy | I love the advertisement for ... sharks... on that page, Zamoria. |
| 18:19.09 | Lunessa | alestane: Objectophila? Inter-speciues sex? I'm not sure I want to unify those. |
| 18:19.41 | Zamoria | Lopeppeppy: adblock 4tl :( |
| 18:19.41 | Lopeppeppy | No interspecies larting allowed. |
| 18:19.49 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, if you are saying that sex != sexual intercourse i would be interested to hear your version of it's definition |
| 18:19.54 | Esamynn | wonders how the hell this conversation came to be out of an argument between himself and Thunder_Child |
| 18:20.02 | Lopeppeppy | TC, me and President Clinton, baby. |
| 18:20.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: what about necrotechnophilia? |
| 18:20.07 | alestane | Lunessa: I was thinking more along the lines of "what constants are present in the sexual response, regardless of who or what is experiencing it?", not "No matter what someone is using to experience it." |
| 18:20.09 | NightHawkTheSane | (sex with unplugged appliances) |
| 18:20.25 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I don't want to know about you having sex with a dead motherboard. |
| 18:20.31 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, there are no constants. |
| 18:20.40 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, Lopeppeppy's fault |
| 18:20.46 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Then how do we know that they're all sex? |
| 18:20.48 | Lopeppeppy | Bwuh? |
| 18:20.51 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: usually is |
| 18:20.55 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 18:20.56 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, that's in the eye of the beholder. |
| 18:21.13 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn! |
| 18:21.15 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
| 18:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey |
| 18:22.08 | Lunessa | alestane: I think this would come under the same general heading as a 1980s era study at University of Florida where they determined that a sexually aroused female goat's lower-lip would curl. They proposed a 5-year, $5 million dollar study to determine /why/. |
| 18:22.11 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, he only said 'unplugged' not dead |
| 18:22.14 | alestane | Except that part of the root of the "puritanical response" seems to be the ability to recognize the sexual response in someone else, to a stimulus that doesn't provoke a similar response in one. |
| 18:22.25 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: don't blame me, you're the one who first say the "magic" word :P |
| 18:22.34 | Lopeppeppy | I never did, Esamynn! *laugh* |
| 18:22.40 | Esamynn | yes you did |
| 18:22.51 | Thunder_Child | "11:13.28 +Lopeppeppy: like sex, alestane" |
| 18:22.54 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, the ability to recognize someone else's sexual response is actually just the impulse to avoid it. :) |
| 18:22.55 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 18:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh. Innocent. |
| 18:23.02 | Lunessa | Esamynn: Did she win a hundred dollars? |
| 18:23.28 | mikma | over 9000? |
| 18:23.38 | Kraps | lol how many of you are at work now? |
| 18:23.44 | Lopeppeppy | raises her hand |
| 18:23.45 | Esamynn | ~lart mikma |
| 18:23.45 | purl | executes killall -TERM mikma |
| 18:23.47 | Zamoria | raises a haind |
| 18:23.51 | Thunder_Child | work? whats that? |
| 18:23.54 | Zamoria | s/in/n/ |
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| 18:24.15 | mikma | no, not my term! |
| 18:24.20 | Lunessa | raises a hand. |
| 18:24.32 | Esamynn | raises a hand |
| 18:24.46 | Zamoria | puts the hand back where it came from |
| 18:24.48 | RockSlice | nope. Don't have to work until the 21st. Then I'll be offline for 8 weeks :( |
| 18:25.09 | Thunder_Child | "sex is like math: you add the bed, subtract the clothes, divide the legs and pray you dont multiply!" |
| 18:25.24 | RockSlice | Navy feels that getting cut off from modern technology is an important part of training... |
| 18:25.27 | Esamynn | facepalms |
| 18:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | Keeps ya focused, RockSlice. |
| 18:25.48 | Zamoria | Thunder_Child: needs more asymptotes imo |
| 18:25.48 | RockSlice | whatever |
| 18:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | TC, you are still a bad, bad man. |
| 18:25.57 | Kraps | i am at work, you guys multitask well :p |
| 18:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers I do! |
| 18:26.04 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: that's just a fact |
| 18:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: i work from home, does that count? :p |
| 18:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn, I ate dinner at his table, tell me about it! |
| 18:26.24 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: um no |
| 18:26.24 | Thunder_Child | Zamoria, them make em |
| 18:26.37 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: you poor soul |
| 18:26.39 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, yes i think that wasa the origional point of Esamynn's comment |
| 18:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. :P |
| 18:27.24 | Esamynn | is still wondering what could possibly justify "TheSane" in NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:27.40 | Lopeppeppy | Haven't read the Hitchhiker's series, have you, Esamynn? |
| 18:27.49 | Esamynn | no, I haven't |
| 18:27.52 | Esamynn | it's on my Todo list |
| 18:28.06 | RockSlice | shame on you! |
| 18:28.22 | Lopeppeppy | Doooo eeeet! |
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| 18:28.25 | Lopeppeppy | They're short and quck. |
| 18:28.32 | mikma | do it. |
| 18:28.37 | Esamynn | good bus reading? |
| 18:28.47 | Thunder_Child | ".A painful activity in which a man, using the stiffest and pointiest part of his pelvic region, repeatedly stabs a female in her crotch until he feels satisfied." |
| 18:28.49 | Lopeppeppy | TLDR version, the entire world is crazy, and only one man is sane. He tries his best to keep it safe, builds it an asylum. |
| 18:28.58 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* urbandictionary hurts my head |
| 18:29.11 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: O_O |
| 18:29.11 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn, yes. Light, easy to pick up and put down, zany humor. |
| 18:29.22 | RockSlice | good anywhere reading |
| 18:30.03 | aesir | I use it as my guide for life. It's far far better than any of that Dianetics Scientology dreck. Plus, it has Thor in it. |
| 18:30.13 | Thunder_Child | just like the diskworld series |
| 18:30.30 | RockSlice | sounds like someone's not happy with her bf, Thunder_Child |
| 18:30.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: what Lopeppeppy said, although to really get the flavor of it, you have to read the books. DO IT NOW! :D |
| 18:31.01 | Lopeppeppy | Don't panic! |
| 18:31.10 | Thunder_Child | RockSlice, could be |
| 18:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | RockSlice, how do you know it wasn't a cynical guy who wrote it? :) |
| 18:31.23 | Lunessa | aesir: Dogulas Adams was a great guy, but I don't know that I'd raise his books to a "guide for life." |
| 18:32.00 | RockSlice | because if the guy was in pain, he probably wouldn't be satisfied |
| 18:32.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: compared to many other possibilities for a 'guide for life', it's not really that bad. :P |
| 18:32.19 | kraftman | hes definatly doing it wrong either way |
| 18:32.21 | aesir | Lunessa: Dammit, you're right. What will I do now? |
| 18:33.15 | Kraps | DONT PANIC and have a towel at all times |
| 18:33.25 | Lunessa | True, he could be using something like, oh, I don't know... Tiajunna Bibles. |
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| 18:33.34 | alestane | Thunder_Child: "Mr. Raven describes sex as 'an overrated sensation lasting a bare ten seconds,' and then goes on to wonder why anyone bothers to translate the erotic textbooks of medieval India. Perhaps one reason for doing so is that so many people still regard sex as an overrated sensation lasting a bare ten seconds...may I assure Mr. Raven that the performance he attended was not of concert standard." |
| 18:33.48 | Kraps | ive only seen the movie |
| 18:33.54 | RockSlice | I propose we use the original "guide for life": Deuteronomy |
| 18:34.03 | Lopeppeppy | Concert standard. *snark* |
| 18:35.14 | Kraps | Ecclesiastes |
| 18:35.46 | Lopeppeppy | Job |
| 18:35.57 | Kraps | ... |
| 18:36.11 | RockSlice | Ecclesiastes is boring. We don't get to stone anybody for wearing cotton-poly blends |
| 18:36.15 | Dagmar | That's the section that talks about the "two roes" isn't it? |
| 18:36.15 | Lunessa | Oh, and just because it comes up in channel pretty often, I'd prefer not to be subjected to having my religion described as "dreck." Please, and thank you. |
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| 18:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 18:36.57 | Esamynn | you folks are distracting me from my work |
| 18:36.59 | Esamynn | STOP IT! |
| 18:37.05 | Lopeppeppy | ...no. |
| 18:37.47 | Kraps | what Esamynn said |
| 18:37.54 | RockSlice | there's always /quit, Esamynn |
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| 18:38.01 | foxlit | waves hand |
| 18:38.04 | Esamynn | Kraps: you realise that will only encourage them, right? |
| 18:38.13 | KarlKFI | agrees with Esamynn |
| 18:38.15 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:38.18 | foxlit | "That is not the work you're trying to do" |
| 18:38.21 | RockSlice | agrees with Esamynn |
| 18:38.34 | Esamynn | oh goodie! |
| 18:38.37 | Esamynn | hey Cairenn! =D |
| 18:38.42 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 18:38.47 | Esamynn | join the pary! |
| 18:38.50 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn wants you to mute me, Cairenn, I'm too rowdy! |
| 18:38.59 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: I DO NOT! |
| 18:39.04 | Esamynn | I would NEVER! |
| 18:39.05 | Cairenn | mutes Lopeppeppy with a ballgag |
| 18:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | ... rawr. |
| 18:39.18 | KarlKFI | stop yelling Esamynn before I mute you |
| 18:39.20 | Cairenn | *dws* |
| 18:39.29 | DWSR | Cairenn? |
| 18:39.34 | Esamynn | damnit, I just laughted while drinking water! |
| 18:39.35 | alestane | http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08302002.shtml Fortuantely, I don't mind this any more than Davan does, because that last panel fells awfully familiar. |
| 18:39.45 | KarlKFI | while drowning in water? |
| 18:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, we made Esamynn snarf! |
| 18:39.53 | Cairenn | my patented "deliciously wicked smile" |
| 18:40.10 | KarlKFI | mmmm delicious.... makign me hungry |
| 18:40.41 | Lopeppeppy | You should have lunch, Karl, you're delerious. |
| 18:40.42 | KarlKFI | and someone's eating in the office again... bastards |
| 18:40.49 | Kraps | Cairenn: gratz on the scathingwalloftext achievement, i loved it |
| 18:41.04 | Cairenn | Kraps: heh, thanks ;) |
| 18:41.06 | alestane | One part goldschlager, three parts barenjager, six parts Godiva Dark and two parts cream. |
| 18:41.12 | Esamynn | what wall of text is this? |
| 18:41.30 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267249&sid=1&pageNo=4#77 |
| 18:41.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yummmy. |
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| 18:42.21 | RockSlice | and... he just lost 10 minutes of productivity by clicking on that link |
| 18:42.24 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Yes, I find that just a splash of milk or cream ameliorates the "too much burn, not enough yum" factor you originally complained about. |
| 18:42.49 | Lopeppeppy | I just went back to doing shots. |
| 18:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | And I find that leaving some raspberries in Berenjagar overnight is super yum. |
| 18:43.06 | Esamynn | puts that on the backbunner for reading after he meets this deadline |
| 18:43.21 | Esamynn|Work | minimizes the window |
| 18:43.22 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Oh dear. We may have to try that. |
| 18:43.32 | Lopeppeppy | Smush 'em up a bit. |
| 18:43.47 | Lopeppeppy | Blueberries or cherries or blackberries may also work, same with mango or strawberry.... |
| 18:44.12 | alestane | Cherries or strawberry sound deadly, but I'd at least die happy. |
| 18:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | For cherries, either use ripe to bursting dark cherries, or very tart cooking cherries. :) |
| 18:46.17 | KarlKFI | pings Esamynn|Work for good measure |
| 18:51.48 | kraftman | so its time for an addon author strike? ^^ |
| 18:51.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, fun times. |
| 18:52.13 | kraftman | would be interesting |
| 18:52.17 | Kraps | what?why? |
| 18:52.42 | kraftman | just drama in general |
| 18:52.55 | KarlKFI | we dont get paid, there's no reason to strike |
| 18:52.58 | End | we have enough drama |
| 18:53.00 | Cairenn | is sick to death of fucking drama |
| 18:53.03 | End | ^ |
| 18:53.07 | Lopeppeppy | ^^ |
| 18:53.16 | Vonhinten | Drama feeds the interwebs |
| 18:53.38 | alestane | I'd like a month without major drama. Or even a fucking week. |
| 18:53.39 | Arrowmaster | drama feeds my bordom |
| 18:53.43 | End | the interwebs are very fat |
| 18:53.52 | End | should go on a diet, really |
| 18:53.56 | Cairenn | alestane: /signed |
| 18:54.15 | Kraps | Cairenn: you made that abundantly clear in your WoT :D |
| 18:54.35 | Cairenn | Kraps: I've just really really had it |
| 18:54.46 | kraftman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.47 | Vonhinten | Interesting thing about drama.. it goes away when you stop paying attention |
| 18:55.05 | nevcairiel | of course, if there is no-one to bitch at, bitching gets boring |
| 18:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | Or when the forum mods start locking threads... wtb more stealth locks |
| 18:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: poke |
| 18:56.25 | Kraps | can dinos lock threads? |
| 18:56.28 | End | nope |
| 18:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 18:57.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, if only.... rawr..... |
| 18:58.19 | Esamynn|Work | dinos have no more power than a regular poster |
| 18:58.22 | Esamynn|Work | they just get green text |
| 18:58.27 | Esamynn|Work | oops |
| 18:58.29 | Esamynn|Work | damnit! |
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| 18:59.09 | Kraps | TMI ROFL |
| 18:59.23 | Lopeppeppy | TMI? |
| 18:59.49 | Kraps | <Esamynn|Work>damnit! (?) |
| 19:00.28 | Lopeppeppy | He's mad because he's still not working. :) |
| 19:00.55 | End | speaking of which... |
| 19:00.57 | Kraps | hehe |
| 19:01.09 | alestane | Lunessa: Regarding the earlier discussion about the mathematics of sex: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp06062003.shtml |
| 19:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | ... very TMI! |
| 19:07.01 | Lunessa | alestane: LOL |
| 19:08.44 | |Jelly| | Has anyone used Recount's Threat plugin? |
| 19:10.50 | Industrial | rofl |
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| 19:12.20 | dardack | i use DTM for a graph of threat, cause i find the built in one isn't enough, if blizz would build in a windows with top 5 threat on 1 target or something i woudl drop all threat mods/plugins |
| 19:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | Threat is just a wonky wonky animal. |
| 19:13.17 | alestane | I've been thinking about building a mod that just displays absolute threat for the Target-of-Target window so I how when to wait until when people say "once he's got 17k threat..." |
| 19:15.09 | dardack | as a dk tank my dps doesn't have to wait, unless it's a LOS pull |
| 19:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Only works for single targets, Alestane, not for when a tank is trying to corral 3 mobs at once... |
| 19:16.00 | dardack | that too |
| 19:16.13 | alestane | Most threat meters only work for single target situations IMO. |
| 19:16.15 | dardack | i wish there was a mod as a tank that on nameplates showed the second threat person % wise |
| 19:16.47 | dardack | or a +30% showing you have 100% and the second has 70% |
| 19:16.51 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12272001.shtml - remind you of anyone? |
| 19:16.56 | dardack | if it gets to -5% your in trouble |
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| 19:17.41 | alestane | I'd still really like to see an API module for working with the nameplates and text streams without needing to know where they are. |
| 19:17.53 | alestane | Lunessa: Thankfullly not since middle school. |
| 19:17.59 | Lopeppeppy | Schroedinger's Aloft. |
| 19:18.03 | Lunessa | :D |
| 19:18.13 | dardack | is aloft bloated? |
| 19:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 19:18.25 | Lopeppeppy | There are just limits to what one can do with nameplates. |
| 19:18.54 | alestane | But yeah, something like GetNameplateFrame(GUID).AggroTexture:Hide() |
| 19:19.29 | dardack | what about a mouseover nameplate showing your threat - 2nd person threat %? |
| 19:20.22 | alestane | dardack: The problem right now is that we can't get any actual info about a mob from its nameplate, or vice versa. |
| 19:20.42 | alestane | Anything like that has to be handled by Blizzard. |
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| 19:21.03 | dardack | ok i guess i would have to look at dotimer's code and see how when you mouse over a nameplate it shows your dots on taht target |
| 19:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | are you sure it's the nameplate that shows it, and not your tooltip? |
| 19:21.49 | dardack | it's the nameplate |
| 19:21.56 | dardack | well it shows at the mouse |
| 19:22.00 | dardack | when you mouse over a nameplate |
| 19:22.08 | dardack | which would be fine for me for threat as a tank |
| 19:22.19 | dardack | that way i could tell which one to focus on more |
| 19:22.38 | dardack | i mean if i'm up like 70% on my main target and a lot of aoe is going on and another i'm only up 15% i would switch |
| 19:22.43 | Arrowmaster | well thats different since you can get the guid of the mouseover target |
| 19:23.07 | dardack | hmmm |
| 19:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | dardack, that is the tooltip that's showing that, not the nameplate. Big difference. :) |
| 19:23.26 | dardack | is threat a built in api now? |
| 19:23.38 | dardack | i thought that's what i said before, sorry |
| 19:23.40 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:23.45 | Arrowmaster | and the nameplates do show it |
| 19:24.16 | dardack | 1 can anyone remind me of where that option is, and 2 they show your threat, as a tank i want to see the diference from my threat % to the second person %' |
| 19:25.09 | alestane | The nameplates just show you whether or not anyone has a higher absolute threat value than you do. |
| 19:25.15 | dardack | i mean i never have threat issues in heroics/naxx but in ulduar once in awhile on the trash before XT i have some threat issues |
| 19:25.34 | dardack | alestane: i know, i'm trying to figure out a way to show the difference |
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| 19:30.42 | Dagmar | Hmm... I suspect they've put a shorter limit on the length of posts now |
| 19:30.50 | Dagmar | I could swear I've posted longer screeds before |
| 19:31.17 | Lopeppeppy | Critical wall of text from Dagmar? |
| 19:32.53 | Dagmar | Oh yes |
| 19:33.01 | Lopeppeppy | You rock my world. |
| 19:33.04 | Dagmar | These sorts of posts are getting tiresome |
| 19:33.44 | Dagmar | Dropline, for instance, would be well and truly fscked if 5,000 new users showed up out of nowhere |
| 19:34.04 | Dagmar | Hosting on that's $400 a year and I live in fear that we might suddently get say, 20,000 people |
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| 19:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | Which regularly happened on patch day to all of the major addon sites. |
| 19:35.11 | alestane | Dagmar: My wall of text in response to the Add-on development policy shitstorm required four posts to accommodate. I might have been able to fit it into 3. |
| 19:35.34 | Dagmar | I think I'm probably going to post to eshk-a-babble baout it as my next post |
| 19:35.41 | alestane | If I had broken in at word separators rather than paragraphs breaks. |
| 19:35.45 | dardack | so i would have to loop through the entire party/raid to determine #2 on the threat list? |
| 19:35.53 | Kraps | do you guys agree or not with the new ploicy? |
| 19:35.58 | alestane | dardack: Yes. |
| 19:35.59 | airtonix | is bindings.xml the only way to create keybindings for your addon? |
| 19:36.05 | Dagmar | dardack: Pretty much, or you could maybe *try* keeping track of the changes as updates happen |
| 19:36.08 | alestane | Kraps: About 85%. |
| 19:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | The policy is not there for us to agree or disagree with. |
| 19:36.15 | Lopeppeppy | It's there. |
| 19:36.25 | Lopeppeppy | Disagree with a thunderstorm someday and tell me how it goes. |
| 19:36.31 | Dagmar | You could assume that once a new name gets pointed at by the mob, that the old name is either second or dead |
| 19:36.31 | alestane | airtonix: It's the only way to create bindings that will show up in the keybindings window. |
| 19:36.32 | dardack | i jsust did that |
| 19:36.40 | dardack | and the thunderstorm still happened |
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| 19:37.02 | Dagmar | Kraps: What Loe said, with a helping of "It's actually quite reasonable of them" |
| 19:37.32 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, Dagmar, Peppy. :) |
| 19:37.42 | alestane | Let me rephrase that: I'm compliant with the new policy, I agree with a lot of it, I don't see how they could have done better than the parts I'm not thrilled about. |
| 19:37.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, that too |
| 19:37.58 | kraftman | has that 60 day period ended yet? |
| 19:38.03 | dardack | not threaten lawsuits over how you distrubute your IP? |
| 19:38.18 | Kraps | so you think the addon devs who stopped deving cuz of it are overreacting? |
| 19:38.39 | Dagmar | I don't like the "no donation requests" thing much, but I can't really come up with any way to not do that and still prevent goldspammers suddenly launching a ton of addons and addon sites |
| 19:38.48 | Dagmar | Kraps: yes. |
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| 19:39.13 | alestane | Kraps: They're doing whatever they believe. But I don't see how they could realistically expected that this would never come up. |
| 19:39.15 | dardack | it's their ip don't much care if they stop dev'ing or not, but they had every right to voice their concerns |
| 19:39.39 | Dagmar | Even the "I own my work and I say what can be done with it" argument fails in the face of that Blizzard has serious legal obligations to meet and that not putting these restrictions in place would seriously endanger their ability to remain viable |
| 19:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | People demanded a response from Bliz, they got it, and then didn't like what they got. *gentle shrug* |
| 19:40.10 | dardack | dagmar: don't agree with that statement |
| 19:40.28 | Dagmar | Generally, I would agree they should be allowed to do whatever they want with their work, BUT... There are ways in which doing that in a completely unrestricted manner would break the environment itself, and that's something you can *not* do |
| 19:41.06 | dardack | dagmar: so blizz should block it, but i still don't understand what legal precedent they are standing on that they will sue over how you distrubute your work |
| 19:41.23 | Dagmar | dardack: Consider that bit "fair warning" but don't obsess over it. |
| 19:41.27 | Kraps | Dagmar: without getting into too much detail, what was blizz concerned about? |
| 19:41.31 | alestane | dardack: Basically the same approach that allowed them to sue Glider. |
| 19:41.38 | Kraps | security? |
| 19:41.50 | dardack | not really alestane, glider is a diff circumstance |
| 19:41.52 | Lopeppeppy | dardack and Kraps, this debate has been going on for months. Some of us are mighty darned sick of it, and likely to start biting. |
| 19:41.55 | Dagmar | That judgement they got against Glider requires that they actually have to continue to maintain certain stances. |
| 19:42.03 | Dagmar | You can't just casually dismiss Glider as being unrelated |
| 19:42.04 | dardack | sigh, i'm stopping |
| 19:42.15 | dardack | i'm done, peppy is right |
| 19:42.15 | Lopeppeppy | Search the WoWInterface general forum. Search the UI/Macro forum. Then ask questions. Don't raise the drama just to raise it. |
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| 19:42.17 | Dagmar | I can assure you that judges consider it to be very related to a number of things |
| 19:42.20 | kneeki | For some reason I cannot seem to grasp, in my code here: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/114160 , the settings for 'Class Buttons' are not being saved for each bar, the value is just ClassButtons_BF = { 'Vertical Bars' = { } }, but the values for the 'blizzard' bars are being saved just as they should... Anyone care to point it out? |
| 19:45.01 | kneeki | Also, the buttons are being injected into LBF, and the skinning 'works'... It's just the skin settings are not being saved as with all the other bars that I am registering |
| 19:45.29 | dardack | saved from /reloadui or saved from session to session? |
| 19:46.16 | kneeki | dardack, either or. all the 'blizzard' bars are saving their settings just fine, but 'class buttons' are not. The table is storing the sub table's name, but not the sub tables data within it |
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| 19:47.58 | kneeki | This is roughly what the table looks like: table = { Buffs = { entry=num, entry=num, entry=num }, 'Vertical Bars' = { } } |
| 19:48.12 | kneeki | Of course, there are around 8 or 9 total entries, that is only two as an example |
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| 19:49.01 | kneeki | What's happening, is that when the function 'SkinChanged' is ran, the 'Group' arg is nil for the 'Class Buttons' tables, but not for any of the others |
| 19:49.17 | kneeki | changing it from two words to one has the same result, I've already checked |
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| 19:56.35 | dardack | LBF:Group('Blizzard', 'Buffs'):AddButton(this) don't you need one for class buttons? |
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| 19:57.03 | dardack | sorry haven't coded with LBF before but it seems your making 2 groups |
| 19:57.33 | kneeki | I think you for your help so far =) |
| 19:58.04 | kneeki | And I am alreayd adding the buttons to LBF |
| 19:58.18 | kneeki | And that works just fine, when I change the skin, the skins change for everything as it should |
| 19:58.26 | dardack | ok |
| 19:58.27 | kneeki | the table is just not being written for whatever reason |
| 19:58.53 | kneeki | Group == nil when 'SkinChanged' is ran |
| 19:59.27 | kneeki | But, Group ~= nil when it's the 'Blizzard' buttons, it is only nil when 'Class Buttons' should be Group |
| 20:01.19 | alestane | !api IsSpellUsable |
| 20:01.19 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'IsSpellUsable'. |
| 20:01.23 | dardack | LBF:RegisterSkinCallback("Blizzard", SkinChanged, self) |
| 20:01.30 | alestane | !api IsActionUsable |
| 20:01.30 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'IsActionUsable'. |
| 20:01.40 | dardack | don't you neeed to call class buttons also? |
| 20:01.45 | alestane | !api IsUsableSpell |
| 20:01.45 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsUsableSpell' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsUsableSpell |
| 20:01.53 | kneeki | ... |
| 20:01.57 | kneeki | dardack, oh my! |
| 20:02.02 | kneeki | let me try that |
| 20:02.17 | ckknight | Shirik|zZz: I need you |
| 20:02.17 | dardack | not 100% sure but it seems your not registering the callback for class buttons |
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| 20:02.45 | kneeki | dardack, Yee! that did it =D |
| 20:02.57 | kneeki | dardack, So nice to have a fresh pair of eyes :D |
| 20:03.07 | dardack | i shoulda seen it sooner, and yes it is |
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| 20:06.10 | Kraps | kneeki: what are you working on :) |
| 20:06.38 | kneeki | Kraps, My addon ClassButtons. I'm adding ButtonFacade support along with OmniCC support that it already has. |
| 20:06.51 | kneeki | Unfortunatly, the buttons are being skinned, but they do not look... Right |
| 20:06.52 | dardack | omnicc is the best thing ever |
| 20:07.19 | kneeki | http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot051109090804.jpg <- what they look like |
| 20:07.19 | Kraps | that sounds awsome but i have no idea what you said :D |
| 20:07.35 | Kraps | <--- not a dev person |
| 20:07.52 | kneeki | But StormFX tells me that the issue is that my buttons are some how not sizing like they should be... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12097#comments |
| 20:08.09 | kneeki | Kraps, you should pick it up. It's a fun (and rewarding) hobby to have |
| 20:08.24 | Kraps | catch you guys at my home soon |
| 20:08.32 | Lopeppeppy | thinks Kneeki's been out in the sun too long! |
| 20:08.33 | Osstia | see ya kraps |
| 20:08.35 | Kraps | kneeki: i know :/ |
| 20:08.52 | kneeki | cackles! |
| 20:08.52 | dardack | so kneeki what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:09.06 | kneeki | Well, I'm not even sure if the error is on my part tbh |
| 20:09.37 | kneeki | I asked StormFX about it here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12097#comments , I even gave some code snippets. but he has not replied yet |
| 20:09.51 | dardack | i saw, but i don't understand how they dont' look right |
| 20:09.57 | dardack | what are they supposed to look like? |
| 20:10.05 | Lopeppeppy | Just round, I would imagine. |
| 20:10.05 | kneeki | dardack, http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot051109090804.jpg <- how they look |
| 20:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | Or just square. |
| 20:10.16 | kneeki | The frames are round, but the spell graphics are square |
| 20:10.29 | dardack | and you want tthe graphics to be cirlce? |
| 20:10.33 | kneeki | It looks like some special person attempting to mash a square in a circle =p |
| 20:11.03 | kneeki | dardack, Well, StormFX claims there is no way to mask anything, and I should scale them, but all the scaling is done in the skin itself, not my addon |
| 20:12.04 | dardack | so your buttons are circle but the lib you use only scales the icon not mask out the square edges? |
| 20:12.20 | kneeki | exactly |
| 20:12.54 | dardack | so according to him you have to scale your icon smaller |
| 20:14.22 | kneeki | Well, the way I understood him, is that the skin addon does the scaling. Something in my addon is preventing the skin addon from scaling the button |
| 20:14.37 | kneeki | TBH, I have no idea what that could be |
| 20:15.23 | kneeki | This is ALL of my button creation function: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/114162 |
| 20:15.35 | dardack | i think just the icon needs scaling for some reason, cause if you draw lines out from the top and sides of the circle the square matches that, so theoretically the icon is called down for a aquare button |
| 20:15.35 | kneeki | Really simple stuff, not sure how I fuggerd it up |
| 20:18.11 | End | whew, just got off the phone with my landlord |
| 20:18.17 | dardack | when you set your texture, check out http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexCoord |
| 20:18.26 | dardack | to cut out portions |
| 20:18.27 | End | they forgot there was a promotion where I got a month rent free :P |
| 20:18.45 | dardack | here i mean |
| 20:18.47 | dardack | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 20:18.55 | dardack | think you can actually accomplish circles with this |
| 20:19.35 | kneeki | Aye, but the skin addon is supposed to be doing that, as my addon will never know if or what skin is set |
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| 20:20.31 | kneeki | StormFX: LBF sets the size for everything but the icon itself. The skins themselves set the actual icon scale. Apparently, your code is doing something to allow it to be overwritten. |
| 20:20.44 | dardack | what's the skin addon? |
| 20:20.51 | kneeki | Any of them |
| 20:20.57 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12097#optional |
| 20:20.59 | kneeki | That's a list |
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| 20:23.33 | dardack | think t:SetAllPoints(button) is overriding |
| 20:23.35 | dardack | maybe |
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| 20:23.41 | dardack | Sets an object to be positioned and sized exactly the same as another object. |
| 20:24.13 | dardack | so your setting the texture to be the same size as the button, instead of letting the skin do the scaling? |
| 20:24.20 | dardack | don't know, again never played with LBF |
| 20:24.50 | kneeki | hmm |
| 20:25.03 | kneeki | how do I go about setting the points of the icon then? |
| 20:25.10 | kneeki | if I'm not using SetAllPoints() that is |
| 20:25.13 | dardack | doesn't the skin do that? |
| 20:25.34 | kneeki | well, I don't know. But if the player doesn't have the skin addon installed, how else would it get there? |
| 20:26.03 | dardack | well storm said that the skin addon sets the icons size |
| 20:26.10 | dardack | so if your overriding the skin addon |
| 20:26.24 | dardack | then you either need to do your own matrices to correctly scale the square to fit a circle |
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| 20:26.38 | kneeki | hmm |
| 20:26.41 | dardack | or grab the code from a GPL'd skin addon |
| 20:26.49 | dardack | or require one of the skin addons |
| 20:26.55 | kneeki | Bartender, or the like? |
| 20:26.57 | dardack | that is if i'm reading all of this correctly |
| 20:27.24 | dardack | you set the size of the texture, storm says your overriding it, and that a skin addon does all the scaling, so |
| 20:27.34 | dardack | that means you need to override it with your own math to make it fit |
| 20:27.40 | dardack | or let the skin addon do it's think |
| 20:27.47 | dardack | again just my thoughts, i do have to go home now |
| 20:28.02 | kneeki | dardack, Okay, thanks for all your help |
| 20:28.09 | dardack | np hope you figure it out |
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| 20:28.58 | kneeki | Ah, yup |
| 20:28.59 | dardack | you could try to just comment out that one line and see what happens, when i'm coding i usually only enable the mods i'm working on/dependecy issues and reload ui as i change stuff to see what happens |
| 20:29.06 | kneeki | checking Bartender4, he did exactly as you suggest |
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| 20:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: when did you start maintaing QuestHelper? |
| 20:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (And how many total downloads have *you* managed since that date? Are the curse/wowi numbers accurate) |
| 20:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | and unrelated: http://accidentalsexiness.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rick.jpg |
| 20:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (sfw) |
| 20:39.33 | Arrowmaster | curse number didnt used to include curse client but now they do |
| 20:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 20:40.10 | foxlit | Fisker-: http://www.splitreason.com/Product_Images/4cda2c588c03-xl.jpg << you need that. |
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| 20:43.07 | Legorol | Is it a known issue that your action bar sometimes fails to switch over to the vehicle one during Malygos? |
| 20:43.15 | Legorol | or is it an addon problem |
| 20:44.34 | kluge | when my action bar doesnt swich its cuz i have action bar #1 hidden or something. |
| 20:45.06 | kluge | probably isnt that. |
| 20:47.13 | Osstia | I used to have that issue with an old alpha version of Xperl, but thats been a long time |
| 20:51.19 | Zeksie | Legorol: yeh, could be a taint on the bars from some addon. |
| 20:51.45 | Legorol | Zeksie: could it occur with just default UI? |
| 20:51.56 | Legorol | i don't use any action bar mods yet i got it |
| 20:52.09 | Legorol | granted i do have some other addons, no idea if they are tainting |
| 20:52.12 | Zeksie | could still have a mod tainting the default bars. |
| 20:52.20 | Legorol | but this was the first time it happened to me, and i haven't changed addons |
| 20:52.24 | Zeksie | although it's not very common lately |
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| 21:15.11 | Cairenn | An Open Invitation to Authors and Other AddOn Hosting Sites: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23569 |
| 21:17.09 | Cairenn | Aiiane: the above could work for War as well, if you guys wanted to: ^^ |
| 21:17.22 | End | did any of the curse guys express any interest in writing a module for it? |
| 21:17.30 | End | (just curious) |
| 21:17.40 | End | I mean, I see you poked them about it :P |
| 21:17.42 | Cairenn | I haven't heard back from them at all |
| 21:17.47 | NightHawkTheSane | for the record, attempting to merge two very similar but distinctly different database schemas gives me a headache. >< |
| 21:17.49 | End | ah, ok, just curious |
| 21:17.54 | NightHawkTheSane | wanders off to lunch |
| 21:18.03 | End | NightHawkTheSane: late lunch! |
| 21:18.16 | NightHawkTheSane | too late. i'm freakin starving. :P |
| 21:18.20 | End | hehe |
| 21:18.24 | Cairenn | I've heard back from Rushster, they seem interested in it |
| 21:18.36 | End | cool |
| 21:18.55 | AckisWork | Cairenn: would minion be strictly for addons? or could like warcraftpets.com write one? |
| 21:19.03 | Cairenn | they could |
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| 21:19.16 | Cairenn | read the post :) |
| 21:19.23 | AckisWork | I did |
| 21:19.28 | alestane | Cairenn: Did you /want/ Rushster to get back to you? |
| 21:19.32 | Cairenn | 4. What types of modules can be made? |
| 21:19.41 | AckisWork | it's just that the post is titled for addon authors/hosting sites :P |
| 21:19.42 | End | it sez "update addons", "upload data", "extract data", "present (news) info" |
| 21:20.18 | End | it also sez they're willing to consider expanding the api |
| 21:20.27 | AckisWork | only reason I was asking was because of the title... I know the functionality is there :P |
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| 21:20.54 | End | maybe "Authors" is less specific than you thought! |
| 21:21.14 | Cairenn | alestane: I would love to see all the sites write modules for it, it would satisfy everyone's requirements - authors can continue hosting wherever they like, sites can generate their revenue and respect any premium/non-premium membership conditions they have, and users can have a single application that will work for all the sites |
| 21:21.48 | Cairenn | that's why we've written it exactly the way we have |
| 21:22.01 | alestane | I know, and it might make whateverhissitewasthatgothackedallthetime a little bit more secure. |
| 21:22.07 | Arrowmaster | you mean slave labored Shirik to write it that way |
| 21:22.15 | End | ^ |
| 21:22.18 | alestane | Since it was actually their updater that kept getting hacked. |
| 21:22.30 | Cairenn | AckisWork: yeah, I know, the title can be construed narrowly if you choose to read it that way |
| 21:23.01 | End | yeah, I'm not too surprised the wowui guys like it, since they've had a lot of trouble getting a site-specific system going |
| 21:23.10 | Arrowmaster | alestane: from what i remember they were using a shared host instead of their own box or a VPS and somebody was exploiting a bug on another site hosted on the same box to edit their files |
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| 21:23.28 | Cairenn | I don't know for sure if they're going to, but at least Rushster did get back to me and didn't tell me to go take a flying fuck |
| 21:23.31 | End | I mean, I know they weren't exactly writing it in house, but there were a lot of problems there |
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| 21:26.01 | Cairenn | could I get one of you lovely EU people to copy the thread over to the EU Blizz UI forum, please? |
| 21:26.02 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17162146127&sid=1 |
| 21:30.10 | AckisWork | who's Rushster? |
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| 21:30.22 | Cairenn | wowui.incgamers |
| 21:31.07 | Lunessa | <3 Cairenn |
| 21:31.12 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 21:31.47 | Kraps | hai |
| 21:32.13 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/583/ |
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| 21:35.16 | kraftman | Cairenn: np |
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| 21:40.06 | Cairenn | kraftman: thank you :) |
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| 21:42.09 | Kraps | Cairenn: so your name is karen karen? :) |
| 21:42.17 | Cairenn | heh, in essence, yes |
| 21:42.53 | NeoTron | I've known one person with just one name. don't think I knew anyone with the same first and last name ;-) |
| 21:43.09 | Cairenn | chuckles |
| 21:43.18 | Cairenn | that isn't my last name, it's my alias |
| 21:43.32 | Cairenn | the fact that my alias is the same as my first name, well ... ;) |
| 21:44.08 | NeoTron | which came first your alias or your first name! |
| 21:44.36 | NeoTron | actually I think I knew of two.. one changed his name to his online handle legally I believe. either that or he simply told everyone to use that name |
| 21:45.41 | kluge | i know someone whos last name is his first name with the suffix 'son' lol |
| 21:45.44 | Cairenn | *giggles* that would depend on whether you are talking about me and how my name and alias apply to me personally and specifically, or whether you are talking about the actual chronology of the name |
| 21:45.50 | kluge | actually two |
| 21:45.55 | kluge | david davidson and john johnson |
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| 21:52.30 | Kraps | how do you "obfuscate" code? |
| 21:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | rename all the variables to things like _a, __a, ___a |
| 21:52.58 | ScytheBlade1 | functions in a similar matter |
| 21:53.04 | Zamoria | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obfuscate |
| 21:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | strip all spacing, formatting |
| 21:53.20 | ScytheBlade1 | comments |
| 21:53.32 | Zamoria | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscated_code |
| 21:53.36 | Osstia | anyone know if the Obfuscated C contest still happens? |
| 21:54.49 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: My obfuscator likes names with accents |
| 21:54.49 | Dagmar | Basically, turn perfectly human-readable code into something less than human-readable. |
| 21:54.49 | Osstia | that used to be fun to see |
| 21:54.49 | Shirik | Osstia: It does |
| 21:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fun |
| 21:54.49 | Kraps | Zamoria: yeah, i know what is /means/ :) |
| 21:54.49 | Shirik | Kraps: Basically, you write a program to do it for you |
| 21:55.00 | Shirik | Or, you write a program to generate the code in the first place (I have done that once) |
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| 21:56.13 | Osstia | i read some of the posts about authors doing that, but never saw any examples |
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| 21:57.50 | kraftman | Kraps: however you want. put everythign on one lines, rename all functions to single letters, etc |
| 21:57.56 | kraftman | one line* |
| 21:58.13 | Arrowmaster | one of my favorite obfuscated C contest entries was the program with no code |
| 21:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:58.30 | Kraps | so how does it know what ____ is? |
| 21:58.30 | Osstia | haha |
| 21:58.38 | Tuller | magicians |
| 21:58.54 | Jamash | there's a perl module that will transform your program into 100% whitespace |
| 21:58.54 | theorbtwo | Obfuscated C contest entries have a program file and a makefile. |
| 21:59.00 | kraftman | i think Aelobin has some code which turns normal functions into " " |
| 21:59.10 | Aelobin | sup |
| 21:59.11 | Arrowmaster | it was just a makefile that tweaked a few of the compiler options and the compiler created a working executable that did nothing from no code at all |
| 21:59.12 | kraftman | and rusn it fine |
| 21:59.15 | kraftman | runs* |
| 21:59.36 | Osstia | haha |
| 21:59.37 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: What? |
| 21:59.39 | Shirik | What did it do? |
| 22:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: "nothing" |
| 22:00.21 | Shirik | it just ran and exited? |
| 22:03.32 | Osstia | thats probably why it was an "entry" and not a "winner" lol |
| 22:04.39 | Osstia | shirik, out of curiosity, do you do most of your development in vim? |
| 22:04.44 | Kraps | nUI is like cosmos? a package? |
| 22:05.16 | Shirik | Osstia: Depends on what I'm doing |
| 22:05.26 | Shirik | Lua or web development, yes |
| 22:05.30 | Osstia | you'd just mentioned it earlier, so I was curious. |
| 22:05.32 | Shirik | Java, no. C++, rarely. |
| 22:05.51 | Osstia | I have done a bit of my addon on my mac in vim, and I am just slow with it |
| 22:06.05 | Osstia | I am much more efficent with Notepad++ |
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| 22:07.50 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://www0.us.ioccc.org/1994/smr.hint |
| 22:07.54 | AckisWork | ~wowspell 45363 |
| 22:07.55 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=45363 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=45363 |
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| 22:09.41 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 22:09.46 | Shirik | I guess they didn't like that too much :) |
| 22:09.58 | Shirik | it's a "self replicating program" lmao |
| 22:11.25 | Osstia | in the future we'll have to require entries to be at least 1 character larger than this entry |
| 22:12.52 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: haha look at http://www.ioccc.org/1994/Makefile |
| 22:13.00 | Arrowmaster | its even worse than i remember |
| 22:13.14 | Arrowmaster | find smr |
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| 22:13.40 | Shirik | rm -rf, cp, chmod +x? |
| 22:13.41 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 22:13.52 | Osstia | haha |
| 22:13.56 | Shirik | that really is abuse >< |
| 22:14.03 | Arrowmaster | yet it was a winner |
| 22:18.40 | AckisWork | ~dict Base64 |
| 22:18.45 | AckisWork | ~wiki Base64 |
| 22:20.28 | Shirik | base 64 is <3 |
| 22:21.27 | AckisWork | don't quite get it just yet |
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| 22:22.13 | AckisWork | dicking around with http://www.wowwiki.com/TradeSkillLink#Bit_Maps and trying to understand it |
| 22:26.56 | AckisWork | Shirik: do you know of a utility that would convert a base 64 string into a bit string? |
| 22:27.50 | Shirik | like, 1s and 0s or actual data? |
| 22:28.07 | Zamoria | "Please try again later. Or right now" |
| 22:28.34 | AckisWork | Shirik: 1s and 0s just so I can understand what's going on |
| 22:28.53 | Arrowmaster | @describe libbase64-1-0 |
| 22:28.54 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libbase64-1-0/. LibBase64-1.0. LibJSON-1.0 is a library to encode and decode Base64 strings. This is mostly useful if you are exporting lua data to external applications. local LibBase64 = LibStub("LibBase64-1.0")... |
| 22:29.00 | Shirik | probably some way to do it with openssl |
| 22:29.10 | DWSR | rofl. |
| 22:29.13 | DWSR | WoW Pod. Wow. |
| 22:30.26 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: this is for my use outside of wow to understand the concept first |
| 22:30.28 | Shirik | echo "abcdefgh12345" | openssl enc -base64 -d | xd -c1 |
| 22:30.29 | Shirik | maybe? |
| 22:33.23 | Shirik | AckisWork: |
| 22:33.27 | Shirik | [shirik@web02 httpdocs]$ echo "SGVsbG8K" | openssl enc -base64 -d | xxd -b |
| 22:33.27 | Shirik | 0000000: 01001000 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111 00001010 Hello. |
| 22:33.54 | Shirik | With "SGVsbG8K" being the base64 encoding of "Hello" |
| 22:34.39 | AckisWork | oh wicked |
| 22:35.07 | AckisWork | another reason linux == dev :( |
| 22:35.53 | Arrowmaster | its just like converting binary to hex but instead of hex with base 16 numbers you are using base 64 numbers |
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| 22:39.27 | Zamoria | umm... http://notalwaysright.com/the-chump-with-the-hump-under-her-rump/1951 |
| 22:43.31 | Kraps | do nui and dominoes jive? |
| 22:44.51 | Shirik | wait a second |
| 22:44.57 | Shirik | ~base64 Hello |
| 22:45.03 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:45.11 | Shirik | nm |
| 22:45.58 | Kraps | anyone? |
| 22:48.09 | Osstia | never used either Kraps |
| 22:48.11 | Osstia | sorry |
| 22:48.19 | Kraps | durr |
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| 23:07.31 | Kraps | holy cow |
| 23:08.08 | Kraps | can you resize/move nui frames? |
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| 23:20.42 | Kraps | yeah... dominoes and nui dont jive |
| 23:22.05 | Osstia | i am fairly new to development, i come from a scripting background, so a lot of times i am very ineeficient |
| 23:22.16 | Osstia | i am looking at adding some "options" to my addon |
| 23:22.35 | Osstia | things like toggling a minimap icon, and toggling a gold display etc. |
| 23:23.17 | Osstia | i was thinking of having a boolean value for each feature in the saved variable, and based on that, when the addon loads i just check to see ifEnabled is true, and then either displaying the feature or not |
| 23:23.31 | Osstia | is this good logic? Or should I be approaching this better? |
| 23:23.46 | Dagmar | Oh PLEASE be particular in how you add a minimap icon |
| 23:23.47 | Dagmar | Don't be like Mobmap.de |
| 23:24.01 | Dagmar | ...or a few otehr addons I could mention which don't appear to be doing it right |
| 23:24.03 | Osstia | honestly, i stole someone elses code for that |
| 23:24.22 | Dagmar | Steal from someone who knows what they're doing and give them credit then. ;) |
| 23:24.27 | Dagmar | My minimap will thank you |
| 23:24.49 | Dagmar | About a third of the icons clinging desperately to my minimap still seem to think the thing is round |
| 23:24.52 | Osstia | i left crdit in there lol, i will try to make sure i steal from reputable sources :) |
| 23:25.13 | Dagmar | Trust me, anyone with more than three minimap icons present will appreciate you stealing from a clued-in source |
| 23:25.22 | Osstia | thanks for the tip |
| 23:25.30 | Osstia | i have never tested mine on a square minimap |
| 23:25.33 | Antiarc | ZorbaTHut: Bug report for you - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904209801&sid=1 |
| 23:25.46 | Dagmar | Mobmap is the most extreme case in that it's little icon just lives "somewhere near" the minimap, without actually being a minimap icon |
| 23:25.49 | Osstia | but thats one of the reasons i want to add an option to toggle it |
| 23:26.17 | Dagmar | Osstia: Well, a lot of us use stuff like SexyMap because the minimap icons can be set to hidden until you mouse over the minimap |
| 23:26.21 | Osstia | i took it from one of Xinhuan's addons, not sure which |
| 23:26.59 | Dagmar | They can toggle on and off or not, most people won't get too excited about it, but not sticking to the minimap properly will be an irritation for a lot more people |
| 23:27.09 | Osstia | understood |
| 23:27.22 | theorbtwo | grins. |
| 23:27.38 | Osstia | as far as the logic behind toggling them. Is there a better approach? |
| 23:27.43 | theorbtwo | Just the other day, I was annoyed at how the fishing buddy icon was over top of the minutes on the built-in clock. |
| 23:28.02 | theorbtwo | ...without me, so far as I know, having done anything in the least bit strange. |
| 23:28.10 | Osstia | fb has been historicly buggy for me :( |
| 23:28.12 | Dagmar | Osstia: Not particularly, other than maybe providing an LDP plugin or a Fubar plugin for it |
| 23:28.15 | theorbtwo | ...on a character that doesn't even have a fishing pole. |
| 23:28.36 | Osstia | Dagmar: thats on my list of things to research as well, thanks for the input |
| 23:28.38 | theorbtwo | Osstia: I might look for another one. |
| 23:28.38 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: People who are fishing have no concern for time |
| 23:28.57 | Osstia | take that back dagmar |
| 23:29.00 | Dagmar | Osstia: Well, those would be to basically the same end as a minimap icon |
| 23:29.19 | theorbtwo | It also doesn't do what I installed it to do -- tell me how likely I am to catch anything given the current region and my current skill level. |
| 23:29.37 | Dagmar | Like, most people seem to try and wrangle them all into one place, be it the lower corner on FuBar/Titan, or into one of the minimap icon wrangler trays, or neatly around the minimap |
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| 23:34.53 | tekkub | erf |
| 23:35.46 | Lopeppeppy | Very much so, actually |
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| 23:54.13 | ReAn | anyone know what the path to wow's "Default Icon" is? (the placeholder with the guy's face |
| 23:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.fmylife.com/sex/226342 |
| 23:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | semi-sfw |
| 23:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | only kinda |
| 23:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | FML is fun times. |
