| 00:00.09 | Shirik | for example, I use JDesktop to tell me where to store my configuration and log files |
| 00:00.13 | Shirik | JDesktop figures out the best location for application data for me |
| 00:00.14 | NeoTron | seems handy |
| 00:00.18 | Kraps | if you just choose a role in lfg will it put you in the lfg list(s)? |
| 00:00.24 | Gnarfoz | http://www.technutters.com/category/Videos/baynham--tyers---contraption-ii/ |
| 00:00.44 | Shirik | To this day I still don't know where it installs mac log files |
| 00:00.54 | Shirik | (though the mac users have figured it out) |
| 00:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:00.59 | Shirik | it's something like Application Support or something |
| 00:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's probably a bad thing |
| 00:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But if it works.. |
| 00:01.17 | NeoTron | likely overkill for my little ap |
| 00:01.21 | Shirik | I know wherever it's putting it, it's the right place |
| 00:01.24 | Shirik | I just don't know where that is |
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| 00:02.01 | Thunder_Child | i'd call fail on you Shirik, but i am getting tired of saying it. :p |
| 00:02.10 | Shirik | why fail! |
| 00:02.13 | Shirik | That's good |
| 00:02.26 | Thunder_Child | that you dont know where it goes? |
| 00:03.01 | NeoTron | only thing I'd like improved is to make it look like a typical app under OS X - specifcally I don't want the "title" of the app be my.main.class.Name :) |
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| 00:03.07 | NeoTron | but don't care enough to fix it |
| 00:03.23 | Shirik | what do you mean title? |
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| 00:13.34 | NeoTron | like the name in the titlebar |
| 00:13.49 | NeoTron | the thing that has the menus etc |
| 00:14.08 | NeoTron | which, strangely enough, is something I miss when using Windows now |
| 00:14.53 | Kirov | er, what? |
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| 00:15.17 | Kirov | That's one of the things I loath about Mac OSes |
| 00:16.04 | Kirov | It's always two clicks to do something that in windows can be two, or one. |
| 00:16.08 | airtonix | i hate them both because you have to specifically resize a window by clikc dragging this little corner |
| 00:16.30 | airtonix | macos only lets you resize a window via bottom right corner |
| 00:16.34 | airtonix | annoying |
| 00:17.00 | NeoTron | not saying it's perfect, but yeah I got used to it. you know where your menu is. :P |
| 00:17.21 | Wobin | hm, I find I'm always flailing with the mouse, on a Mac |
| 00:17.23 | NeoTron | of course my first computer with a GUI was an Amiga... :) |
| 00:17.45 | Wobin | maybe they just have slower mouse default settings |
| 00:19.24 | NeoTron | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/Amiga_Workbench_1_3_large.png this was the good stuff |
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| 00:46.07 | Legorol | Since the heirloom Bloodied Arcanite Reaper is not unique, can a Fury warrior dual wield two? |
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| 00:50.25 | haste | Legorol: most likelu |
| 00:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: if its not unique, there's no reason why not |
| 00:52.16 | Legorol | it's tempting to try :) |
| 00:54.43 | NightHawkTheSane | you CAN dw the daggers, so i see no reason why it wouldn't work. it'd be pretty awesome :) |
| 00:57.38 | Wobin | http://www.aspectofthehare.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/tawynchangeshistory2.jpg |
| 00:58.12 | mikma | so, anyone has any cool ideas how can i get a line in tooltip that'll be as wide as the tooltip? |
| 00:58.30 | Kirov | ? |
| 00:58.51 | Wobin | isn't that like measuring how long a piece of string is? |
| 00:59.03 | Kirov | As wide as a tooltip is or as wide as it will be? |
| 00:59.04 | kd3 | wobin; lmao |
| 00:59.34 | mikma | kirov: both? since the tooltip will most likely change size |
| 00:59.46 | Lunessa | Wobin: That's win. |
| 01:00.28 | kd3 | grr |
| 01:00.44 | kd3 | the damn beta webserver app is still 500ing |
| 01:01.05 | kd3 | ponders giving in and running it from some windows machine |
| 01:01.39 | Kirov | mikma - well, I'm trying to figure out exactly what you're trying to do |
| 01:02.07 | mikma | kirov: tooltip -> width 250 -> line in the middle that goes from left side to right side, and changes width when tooltip changes too. |
| 01:02.42 | Kirov | a line as in a straight bar of color? |
| 01:02.45 | mikma | afaik there's no code in wow which enters that sort of line in chat :O now i have to use GameTooltip:AddLine("------------------") |
| 01:03.07 | Kirov | You don't |
| 01:03.24 | mikma | that's why i'm looking for a solution ^^ |
| 01:03.29 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5A8XTUg0Q |
| 01:03.30 | Kirov | You add a blank line, then attach a texture with it's anchor points to that line and each side of the tooltip. |
| 01:03.35 | Wobin | ... I have no words =P |
| 01:04.01 | Kirov | local line = GameTooltip:CreateTexture() |
| 01:04.12 | mikma | yeah but the problem is that the lines keep changing, the line won't be at the same position always |
| 01:04.19 | kd3 | wobin; lmao |
| 01:04.19 | Kirov | line:SetHeight(2) |
| 01:04.20 | Kirov | line:SetTexture(1,1,1,1) |
| 01:04.35 | Kirov | Then you'll have to hook AddLine |
| 01:04.44 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24653.jpg <- :( |
| 01:05.07 | Wobin | mikma: tbh, that looks fine =P |
| 01:05.10 | Kirov | Have it look for something like "---LINE---" or something and add the texture |
| 01:05.24 | mikma | kirov: i was thinking about that one actually |
| 01:05.41 | mikma | add text in, find the line that has the text, add texture, remove text |
| 01:06.12 | Kirov | And then anchor it to that line, hide() all other textures |
| 01:06.44 | kd3 | whee... yay for work's intranet being down |
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| 01:18.00 | Kirov | mikma - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114049 |
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| 01:19.34 | Kirov | It's probably missing something, as I'm not sure how often OnTooltipCleared is called |
| 01:20.08 | mikma | kirov: that's cool, i'll test it out soon |
| 01:20.34 | Kirov | As a warning, I have _no_ idea if that'll work at all. :P |
| 01:21.17 | Kirov | in fact, I already know it won't since I used GetNumLines() and the method is NumLines() |
| 01:31.36 | Wobin | omg |
| 01:31.41 | Wobin | is that a machine gunning murloc marine? |
| 01:31.55 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpVDpvg4ct8&feature=player_embedded |
| 01:31.59 | Wobin | Grunty =P |
| 01:32.12 | mikma | kirov: for some reason it creates only one line |
| 01:35.04 | Kirov | mimka - hmm |
| 01:35.24 | Kirov | I am missing some stuff, like in GetLine it should do line:Show() before returning it |
| 01:35.50 | mikma | didn't make any difference |
| 01:35.52 | Kirov | But I'm not sure why it's only doing one line. |
| 01:36.20 | mikma | kirov: can you access game? |
| 01:36.34 | Kirov | I can, just being lazy. :) |
| 01:36.56 | mikma | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114051 |
| 01:37.04 | mikma | if you decide to start it, give that one a whack |
| 01:38.32 | mikma | ah.. |
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| 01:39.09 | Kirov | getglobal |
| 01:39.18 | mikma | the fact is, it just prints a line in middle of the tooltip now :D |
| 01:39.22 | Kirov | yeah |
| 01:39.51 | Kirov | My guess is font strings in the tooltips are a little odd |
| 01:39.57 | mikma | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114051 |
| 01:40.07 | mikma | that one prints small lines |
| 01:43.10 | mikma | really odd. run the code once, it prints only one line, run it twice, it prints all the lines |
| 01:44.16 | Kirov | line:Hide() |
| 01:44.21 | Kirov | get ride of that from GetLine |
| 01:44.53 | mikma | i did, same thing |
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| 01:56.25 | Kirov | Weird |
| 01:56.49 | Kirov | Not quite sure what's happening. |
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| 02:03.00 | mikma | kirov: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114053 .. hehe |
| 02:04.01 | Kirov | heh, except that now you'll always have lines |
| 02:04.13 | mikma | i know, but it was just a test |
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| 02:04.40 | mikma | and still haven't figured out how the hell this setpoint is supposed to work |
| 02:04.45 | Kirov | You could just store the lines per line and hide / show them |
| 02:04.45 | Cloudwolf | is it just me or is wow armory not returning search results? |
| 02:05.37 | Thunder_Child | ~music |
| 02:05.38 | purl | [music] essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil. |
| 02:06.01 | Cloudwolf | ~magnatune |
| 02:06.02 | purl | well, magnatune is not evil |
| 02:06.15 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki magnatune |
| 02:06.17 | Cloudwolf | well that was obvious purl |
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| 02:10.48 | Thunder_Child | some of these guild names make me want to slit my wrists |
| 02:11.10 | Thunder_Child | <supermachodonkeywrestler. |
| 02:11.36 | Kraps | omglame Soul Warding: Mana cost reduction is now 15% down from 30%. |
| 02:12.40 | Kraps | seems to me that blizz sweats the small stuff |
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| 02:18.07 | Iriel | Kraps: that's why we keep playing their games |
| 02:18.24 | Kraps | wat |
| 02:18.52 | Iriel | sweating the small stuff |
| 02:19.38 | Kraps | no, i'm not following your logic |
| 02:19.55 | airtonix | if anyone is interested in colour conversion functions, i found some at easyrgb.com : http://www.easyrgb.com/index.php?X=MATH&H=20#text20 |
| 02:20.03 | mikma | kirov: i accept, this is hopeless and there's no nice way of adding the lines. |
| 02:20.28 | Iriel | Blizzard's stuff is really good because they CARE about the small details, as well as the large, and spend the time to continually re-evaluate it. |
| 02:20.34 | Iriel | That's my logic. |
| 02:20.47 | airtonix | 'because they care' |
| 02:20.54 | airtonix | 'care' |
| 02:21.11 | Adys | I'm bored. Someone give me a good series name. |
| 02:21.21 | Adys | Brit stuff pref, no american sitcoms |
| 02:21.22 | airtonix | bleach |
| 02:21.26 | Adys | thanks |
| 02:21.28 | airtonix | ok, green wing |
| 02:21.35 | airtonix | bleach is anime |
| 02:21.42 | Kraps | hate to sound like the brats on the forums, but that nerf is cold |
| 02:21.51 | Adys | Comedy drama/British sitcom |
| 02:21.52 | Adys | perfect |
| 02:21.53 | Kraps | the juggernaut one too |
| 02:22.15 | Gnarfoz | I wish I could turn up my speakers right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbvcZi_nXA <3 |
| 02:22.21 | airtonix | adys, you might also like 'A league of Gentlemen' |
| 02:22.42 | Iriel | Adys: Black Books |
| 02:22.49 | airtonix | lulz |
| 02:22.53 | Adys | Iriel: just watched that, loved every second of it |
| 02:22.56 | haste | black books is awesome :D |
| 02:22.58 | kd3 | sigh, I gave up and opted in to the beta from a windows machine |
| 02:22.59 | kd3 | failtastic |
| 02:23.07 | airtonix | fail |
| 02:23.17 | haste | seen spaced? |
| 02:23.17 | airtonix | failisms |
| 02:23.48 | Kraps | Firefly... |
| 02:23.54 | airtonix | american |
| 02:24.09 | Kraps | yes i am |
| 02:24.13 | Iriel | YOu could go cultish british old school with "The Prisoner" |
| 02:24.14 | airtonix | isnt that the movie name anyway? |
| 02:24.21 | Iriel | The series is Firefly |
| 02:24.24 | Iriel | The movie is Serenity |
| 02:24.35 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.41 | Kraps | Iriel is the fast |
| 02:25.02 | Kraps | i'm in the middle of firefly |
| 02:25.12 | Kraps | solid shyt |
| 02:25.22 | airtonix | its great |
| 02:25.42 | Lunessa | No one here is killing folk today on account of we got a tight schedule. |
| 02:25.54 | airtonix | goramit |
| 02:26.22 | Kraps | airtonix: legend of the seeker if you like high fantasy |
| 02:26.44 | Kraps | http://www.hulu.com/legend-of-the-seeker |
| 02:26.55 | airtonix | i wants william gibson movies |
| 02:27.07 | Lunessa | Kraps: that's some seriously crappy tv |
| 02:27.24 | Kraps | Lunessa: you're kidding right |
| 02:27.30 | kd3 | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Connect-Betterer.aspx |
| 02:27.33 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:27.36 | Lunessa | based on a very crappy novel. |
| 02:27.40 | Kraps | lord of the rings... on TV |
| 02:27.53 | Kraps | ! |
| 02:28.18 | airtonix | 'the requested video cannot be view in your region' |
| 02:28.20 | airtonix | T_T |
| 02:28.24 | airtonix | viewed* |
| 02:28.36 | Kraps | the US wins again :p |
| 02:28.57 | airtonix | http://www.theispysite.com/2007/12/20/i-spyhow-to-get-around-hulu-region-restrictions-finally/ |
| 02:28.59 | Kraps | that sucks though :( |
| 02:29.13 | Jamash | I've done that with Firebug |
| 02:29.22 | airtonix | firefox addon? |
| 02:29.25 | Jamash | yep |
| 02:29.31 | airtonix | modify vars? |
| 02:29.33 | Jamash | yep |
| 02:29.39 | airtonix | pwnge |
| 02:29.46 | Kraps | "I signed up for a free peek at Hula.com" spelling fail |
| 02:29.59 | Iriel | ? |
| 02:30.04 | Kraps | or it used to be that? |
| 02:30.21 | airtonix | ?*20 |
| 02:30.42 | airtonix | >lu string.rep("?!",20) |
| 02:30.47 | airtonix | fail |
| 02:30.57 | Kraps | forums are down |
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| 02:31.13 | Adys | Kraps: peek = quick look |
| 02:31.17 | Iriel | I think we mean ? - why do you think thats a spelling fail |
| 02:31.20 | Adys | peak = summit |
| 02:31.33 | airtonix | >lua string.rep("lol",20) |
| 02:31.38 | airtonix | T_T |
| 02:31.42 | Kraps | wow... |
| 02:31.51 | Jamash | "hula" <--- not "hulu" |
| 02:31.54 | Kraps | *Hula.com* |
| 02:32.03 | Iriel | That's typing fail then |
| 02:32.04 | Kraps | and Jamash wins |
| 02:32.11 | Adys | thats not spelling |
| 02:32.20 | Kraps | same difference |
| 02:32.42 | airtonix | the service is called hulu though |
| 02:32.56 | airtonix | orite |
| 02:33.00 | Kraps | rightoh |
| 02:33.01 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.12 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.43 | Kraps | i dont have time to raid anymore /sad |
| 02:35.15 | mikma | kirov: wohoo! :D |
| 02:36.52 | mikma | kirov: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114057 -> http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051209_053536.jpg |
| 02:40.49 | Kraps | WOWOWOW http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903658893&sid=1 |
| 02:42.21 | Kirov | mikma - what happens if you display something over that? |
| 02:45.44 | Kirov | mikma - the ugly thing is when the game updates the tooltip itself (via one of the Set methods) it doesn't use AddLine or trigger any widget event handler. |
| 02:47.47 | mikma | kirov: my addon's don't do that so i'm saved ^^ |
| 02:51.24 | Kirov | So, every time it shows itself, it'll create another texture. |
| 02:51.41 | mikma | i'm not even sure is there a way around that |
| 02:51.49 | Kirov | give me a sec |
| 02:51.52 | Kirov | I'll post my version |
| 02:52.04 | mikma | but atleast it works perfectly now... |
| 02:52.53 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051209_055213.jpg |
| 02:54.21 | haste | use a slightly lses bright color |
| 02:54.24 | haste | or make it transparent :p |
| 02:54.55 | haste | you could also try using the default blizzard bars as a texture |
| 02:54.56 | mikma | will do |
| 02:55.06 | mikma | what bars? |
| 02:55.18 | haste | the one you have on the enemy plate there for example |
| 02:55.21 | haste | I'll find the path, sec |
| 02:55.39 | haste | Interface\TargetingFrame\UI-StatusBar |
| 02:56.11 | haste | you might want to use some texcoords on it tho', so it doesn't fade so powerfully |
| 02:56.34 | Kirov | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114059 |
| 02:57.15 | mikma | haste: err... it looks like same :D |
| 02:57.49 | haste | can't be! |
| 02:59.10 | mikma | kirov: now i need to make it hide the lines before adding new ones ^^ |
| 02:59.53 | Kirov | my code seems to do that |
| 03:00.14 | mikma | i popped it in WoWLua and it doesn't hide the extra lines |
| 03:01.23 | mikma | kirov: the problem is the tooltip ain't being cleared at all |
| 03:02.31 | mikma | kirov: and, even if i hide the tooltip, fail :D |
| 03:03.00 | mikma | kirov: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051209_060205.jpg |
| 03:07.25 | Lunessa | In the beginning this land was green and good... |
| 03:07.48 | mikma | Civilization? |
| 03:08.04 | Lunessa | .. until the crystal cracked! |
| 03:08.14 | mikma | kirov: ooooh... |
| 03:08.18 | mikma | kirov: ItemRefTooltip.lines = {} |
| 03:08.46 | Kirov | lol |
| 03:09.03 | Kraps | Lunessa: what land would that be? |
| 03:09.06 | mikma | we really don't want to clear the table, don't we? ;) |
| 03:09.26 | Jamash | the land of muppets |
| 03:09.54 | Lunessa | Kraps: Do yourself a favor and rent "The Dark Crystal" - far better story than that crappy "Legend of the Seeker" stuff. |
| 03:10.18 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.43 | Kraps | its not an either/or for me |
| 03:11.51 | Lunessa | Once again they will replenish themselves; cheat death again! |
| 03:12.03 | Wobin | skeeeeksiessss |
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| 03:12.37 | Lunessa | TRIAL BY STONE! |
| 03:13.02 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903577091&sid=1#3 I've been...quoted. |
| 03:13.26 | Jamash | it's a good quote |
| 03:14.40 | Kirov | mikma - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114061 try that |
| 03:14.59 | Iriel | alestane: though I'm sure "Kittypurple" doesn't make you proud |
| 03:15.22 | Iriel | Though it's better than Lolzpwnurmom |
| 03:15.36 | mikma | kirov: impressive |
| 03:16.43 | Lunessa | alestane: But they fail at semicolons. |
| 03:17.48 | Fisker- | rages |
| 03:18.15 | alestane | Lunessa: I hesitate to question you, but I don't see that. |
| 03:18.18 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker-. |
| 03:18.20 | Kraps | Lunessa: i'll watch anything thats not another 24/prison break/csi thingy (except ncis) except if it sucks, and imo seeker does not suck |
| 03:18.24 | Fisker- | rages |
| 03:19.14 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/semicolons.asp |
| 03:19.56 | Lunessa | Sorry, semicolon usage is a nit-picky thing for me. |
| 03:20.49 | Lunessa | You got it right. They're breaking the lines - they should be using periods. |
| 03:21.53 | Kirov | The Dark Crystal is awesome |
| 03:22.13 | Lunessa | It is totally awesome, even now, more than 20 years after it was made. |
| 03:22.20 | alestane | Or not using line breaks. The way that sentence is supposed to flow, the semicolons have the right pace. |
| 03:22.31 | alestane | Still one of my most formative movies. |
| 03:22.33 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, that too. |
| 03:23.01 | Lunessa | And the fact that it's been sampled for some of the most rocking techno in the universe RULES. |
| 03:23.02 | mikma | kirov: apparently there's problem with textures and loading them before PEW :D |
| 03:23.27 | Kirov | ? |
| 03:23.41 | alestane | The series really doesn't want periods, the repetition is too strong. |
| 03:23.41 | alestane | Oh well, I'll take it as an homage. |
| 03:23.47 | Kirov | That doesn't seem possible |
| 03:24.19 | mikma | kirov: well all the code i added in my addons have yellow lines :) |
| 03:24.23 | Lunessa | And well you should my soul-draining friend. As well you should. |
| 03:25.08 | Kirov | If they have yellow lines, then it's not setting that texture at all. |
| 03:25.32 | Iriel | I have to say, haunt is the most wonderful of the warlock-life-sustaining-at-others-expense inventions |
| 03:25.35 | alestane | I did, a while ago, have to update SoulStamp, although I think I may have failed to make it work. |
| 03:25.36 | mikma | yeah exactly. i have a feeling it can't do that before PEW |
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| 03:26.10 | Kirov | mikma - but you're not loading it before PEW, unless you're forcing a tooltip to show before that. |
| 03:26.20 | alestane | Iriel: When I get around to getting Ales Sr. Dual spec, the second spec will probably be a deep affliction PvP spec. |
| 03:27.07 | airtonix | lua> print('test') |
| 03:27.09 | lua_bot | airtonix: test |
| 03:27.11 | Fisker- | I am a Crusader |
| 03:27.12 | Fisker- | baw baw baw |
| 03:27.13 | airtonix | lua> local colour = {r=0,g=0,b=0};print(unpack(colour)); |
| 03:27.13 | lua_bot | airtonix: No output |
| 03:27.16 | mikma | kirov: nope, not forcing. it works in WoWLua but not from the addon |
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| 03:28.01 | airtonix | lua> local colour = {r=255,g=128,b=5};print(unpack(colour)); |
| 03:28.01 | lua_bot | airtonix: No output |
| 03:28.33 | airtonix | help |
| 03:28.37 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.42 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 | "man that just makes me think of that one horrible butt rock song" - nicoli_s |
| 03:28.54 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 | :man that just makes me think of that one horrible butt rock song" - nicoli_s |
| 03:28.55 | alestane | unpack won't work on record tables. |
| 03:29.38 | Kirov | mikma - I stuck my code in to my own addon, then just did the "AddLines / AddSpacingLine" part and it worked. |
| 03:30.06 | airtonix | alestane, thanks |
| 03:30.24 | mikma | kirov: i don't get this |
| 03:30.32 | Thunder_Child | i do not want to be in blizz's IT department this friday....them servers are going to get hammered |
| 03:30.49 | Kirov | Are you modifying the default GameTooltip for that? |
| 03:31.00 | kd3 | this friday? |
| 03:31.02 | kd3 | ponders |
| 03:31.13 | Thunder_Child | kd3, the blizzcon tickers |
| 03:31.16 | Thunder_Child | tickets* |
| 03:31.17 | alestane | lua> function unpackall(t, n) k,v = next(t, n); return v, unpackall(t, k) end; local colour = {r=255,g=128,b=5}; print(unpackall(colour)) |
| 03:31.17 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 03:31.22 | kd3 | oh, yah |
| 03:31.25 | Jamash | I'm trying to create an exhaustive list of ways to learn new spells for my addon, so far I have: Trainer, Talent, Quest and Herbalism... can you think of any others? |
| 03:31.31 | mikma | kirov: *rofl* i had the code copypasted in another addon that loaded before others ... |
| 03:31.32 | Fisker- | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:31.37 | alestane | Ah. |
| 03:31.39 | kd3 | I'm going to be pretty damn amused waiting for the inevitable failloc |
| 03:31.50 | mikma | well, before = after = overwrited the code |
| 03:32.20 | alestane | lua> function unpackall(t, n) k,v = next(t, n); if k then return v, unpackall(t, k) else return end end; local colour = {r=255,g=128,b=5}; print(unpackall(colour)) |
| 03:32.20 | Lunessa | kd3: But, but I WANT MAH TIX! |
| 03:32.20 | lua_bot | alestane: 5, 128, 255 |
| 03:32.21 | Thunder_Child | kd3, they should go talk to ticketmaster |
| 03:32.44 | Iriel | Jamash: What about the other professions? |
| 03:32.46 | kd3 | and pay a $505860 "convenience charge"? |
| 03:32.51 | alestane | airtonix: ^^^ if you still need it. |
| 03:33.07 | Thunder_Child | kd3, no for advice on not crashing a hammered server |
| 03:33.07 | Lunessa | Ok, time to go get dinner and head home. |
| 03:33.12 | Jamash | Iriel: Herbalism is the only profession I know of that grants you a new spell *while you use it* |
| 03:33.20 | Jamash | the HoT thingy |
| 03:33.30 | Jamash | oh, books |
| 03:33.30 | Iriel | Well, depends on your definition of spell, do you care about passive? |
| 03:33.35 | Jamash | there are also books |
| 03:33.50 | Jamash | hmm |
| 03:34.17 | Kirov | Talent Swap? |
| 03:34.23 | Kirov | (kinda' just talents) |
| 03:34.25 | Jamash | oh yes, talent swap |
| 03:34.33 | Fisker- | i can't be stopped :3 |
| 03:35.18 | kd3 | okay... how's this for busted? I can fool work's dumbass javascript check and pretend I'm IE |
| 03:35.26 | kd3 | but to actually log in, I need to live-edit the interstitial login page (that passes data in plaintext in hidden form) to add a "submit" button |
| 03:35.47 | kd3 | because firefox doesn't want to respect the javascript that submits automagically |
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| 03:36.00 | kd3 | did I mention I hate work's IT department? |
| 03:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Stab them |
| 03:36.37 | Fisker- | i sneez'd |
| 03:37.03 | Thunder_Child | ~bless Fisker- |
| 03:37.04 | purl | Fisker-: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 03:37.09 | Thunder_Child | errr.... |
| 03:37.16 | Thunder_Child | not quite what i was looking for |
| 03:37.21 | Fisker- | ouch |
| 03:37.24 | Fisker- | it's missing a finger |
| 03:37.42 | Thunder_Child | should be \|/ |
| 03:37.42 | Fisker- | kd3 you know the solution to all Firefox problems |
| 03:37.45 | Fisker- | use IE |
| 03:37.45 | airtonix | -\/ |
| 03:37.47 | Thunder_Child | \||// |
| 03:37.50 | Thunder_Child | is better |
| 03:37.51 | Fisker- | naw |
| 03:37.57 | Fisker- | \\//, |
| 03:37.59 | Fisker- | bitches |
| 03:38.04 | Kirov | \\//_ |
| 03:38.08 | Thunder_Child | , is not a thumb |
| 03:38.08 | Fisker- | naw |
| 03:38.22 | Fisker- | should e |
| 03:38.24 | Fisker- | be |
| 03:38.32 | airtonix | elventy one one |
| 03:38.55 | Fisker- | You know i'm right |
| 03:39.00 | Fisker- | so you might just kill yourself already |
| 03:39.20 | airtonix | lua> print(string.rep("lol",20)) |
| 03:39.21 | lua_bot | airtonix: lollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollol |
| 03:39.21 | Kirov | mIn> |
| 03:39.21 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/114062 |
| 03:39.26 | kd3 | ^ the interstitial login page |
| 03:39.39 | kd3 | relevant identifying information removed, obviously |
| 03:40.23 | airtonix | fail |
| 03:40.35 | airtonix | its secure! |
| 03:40.41 | airtonix | because it's hidden! |
| 03:40.46 | airtonix | lawl |
| 03:40.47 | kd3 | it's at least going over HTTPS... |
| 03:40.49 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:40.56 | kd3 | but ya, it's still full of fail |
| 03:41.07 | airtonix | why even bother with the javascript |
| 03:41.20 | kd3 | because IE6 works using that |
| 03:41.32 | kd3 | so does konq if I tell it to pretend it's IE6 too |
| 03:41.34 | kd3 | but not firefox |
| 03:41.42 | airtonix | but why at all? |
| 03:41.52 | kd3 | blame the dain-bramaged IT setup |
| 03:41.59 | kd3 | that I'm only now trying to figure out |
| 03:42.08 | airtonix | its an asp intranet? |
| 03:42.12 | airtonix | or php? |
| 03:42.15 | kd3 | asp |
| 03:42.18 | airtonix | fail |
| 03:42.25 | kd3 | full of frames and broken javascript |
| 03:42.44 | airtonix | so this form holds the state of your login between page loads? |
| 03:43.03 | kd3 | only for the initial login. it's in the server-side session after that |
| 03:43.23 | airtonix | something missing here, how do you neter your details? |
| 03:43.27 | airtonix | enter* |
| 03:43.47 | kd3 | the initial login page, which results in the interstitial login page in the pastey |
| 03:44.07 | airtonix | they need to learn asp again |
| 03:44.16 | kd3 | among other things |
| 03:44.28 | kd3 | and perhaps move beyond 1998-level webdesign |
| 03:44.48 | Kraps | is there a keyboard shortcut in windows to minimize a window? |
| 03:44.57 | kd3 | alt-space, then n |
| 03:46.22 | kd3 | what really pisses me off is that public-facing content is fine... and works in every browser under the sun. it's just the intranet |
| 03:46.45 | airtonix | made by someone else |
| 03:46.56 | kd3 | ya, but you think they could go down the hall and talk |
| 03:47.02 | airtonix | no they dont care |
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| 03:54.11 | mikma | kirov: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114063 |
| 04:00.19 | Kirov | The one thing I'd do is if you really want to be able to modify the lines, move the SetHeight and SetTexture to outside the if statement |
| 04:01.55 | Shirik | stares blankly at his IDE |
| 04:03.24 | mikma | kirov: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114063 ? |
| 04:04.29 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/dcb82e96f58ed8d7f906ab652aafc67d.png |
| 04:04.35 | Iriel | Shirik: does it make you feel better or worse if I remind you that your IDE spends almost all of its life staring blankly at you? |
| 04:04.39 | Shirik | Anyone want to take a guess at what the difference is between those two auto-correct options? |
| 04:05.16 | Iriel | Shirik: Different projects with the same package name |
| 04:05.39 | Shirik | nope, all projects have different packages |
| 04:05.45 | Kirov | mikma - don't like the texture? :) |
| 04:06.19 | Iriel | I wonder if it's giving you a solution for the LHS and RHS instances then? |
| 04:06.25 | Shirik | hm, maybe |
| 04:06.34 | mikma | kirov: well, it's much more simple with one color. don't know will the texture fit in |
| 04:06.57 | mikma | kirov: also, i hate making checks for all of that stuff :D (self,texture,height,r,g,b,a) ... |
| 04:07.08 | Kirov | then don't |
| 04:07.18 | Kirov | :P |
| 04:07.58 | Kirov | You could just force the texture and use SetVertexColor instead |
| 04:08.18 | Kirov | or you could just keep what you have ... |
| 04:08.33 | mikma | it works now nicely without any options |
| 04:08.41 | mikma | yellow, thin line going from left to right |
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| 04:19.02 | Cairenn | wheeee, net-unsplit |
| 04:19.02 | Torhal | Cairenn: I blame Fisker- |
| 04:19.02 | Cairenn | seems reasonable to me |
| 04:19.40 | widgertick | I'm cool with it too. |
| 04:19.49 | widgertick | That's 20% op approval |
| 04:19.50 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:19.55 | widgertick | :) |
| 04:20.01 | widgertick | And that's only if you count shiibot. |
| 04:20.08 | widgertick | moos at Shiibot. |
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| 04:20.50 | Tenchworks | o.O? server hiccup? |
| 04:23.40 | Kraps | http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ |
| 04:23.53 | mikma | torhal: requesting this in LibQTip: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/114063 -> http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051209_055213.jpg |
| 04:23.55 | ZorbaTHut | quick, which is better: solid sky sapphire for 12.5g, or solid star of elune for 20g? |
| 04:24.01 | ZorbaTHut | man I don't know why anyone keeps cutting BC gems |
| 04:25.25 | Thunder_Child | to level up? |
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| 04:26.55 | Torhal | mikma: local lineNum = tip:AddLine() tip:SetCell(lineNum, 1, "|TTexturePath:size1:size2:xoffset:yoffset|t", NUM_COLS) |
| 04:27.22 | Torhal | mikma: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 04:28.22 | Torhal | NUM_COLS is however many columns your tooltip has. That just tells SetCell() to span that number of columns. |
| 04:28.31 | mikma | torhal: i'd like to see that in work tbh =/ |
| 04:29.15 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, you don't level up off rare BC gems :P |
| 04:29.20 | Shiibot | ACTION |
| 04:29.22 | Torhal | mikma: In work how? |
| 04:29.24 | Shirik | oops |
| 04:29.27 | Shirik | I fail :( |
| 04:30.04 | mikma | torhal: pop me up a screenshot where the line followes the tooltip width and goes from side to side |
| 04:30.09 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Now you don't have to tell him. |
| 04:30.23 | Torhal | mikma: Bah. You're gonna make me code? |
| 04:31.14 | mikma | torhal: sure! that way you can see if it works =D |
| 04:31.49 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, cant? or dont usualy? |
| 04:31.53 | Torhal | mikma: But I was having all kinds of fun bashing my head on my keyboard to come up with a name for an addon. |
| 04:33.46 | mikma | torhal: well just do it like me, pick the first one that comes in mind + google it doesn't exist / turn it to latin |
| 04:34.49 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, don't - rare BC gem cuts all have rep requirements or are rare drops |
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| 04:46.18 | ZamoriAway | NSFW (and needs sound): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3623576143531081352 |
| 04:47.02 | Ackis | hahahhaha i'm a bastard |
| 04:47.14 | Kirov | lol |
| 04:50.35 | mikma | i think i'm gonna past out for 6h+ .. thathaa! |
| 04:51.33 | Torhal | Ackis: You're pretending we didn't already know that, right? |
| 04:51.39 | Ackis | :P |
| 04:56.43 | Kraps | does "lfm vault" include emalon now? |
| 04:57.14 | Wobin | probably |
| 04:57.27 | Wobin | most people go for emalon first, so you don't get locked to a failpug |
| 04:57.38 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 04:57.51 | Wobin | just got his Playing For Change CD/DVD |
| 04:59.52 | Kraps | trying to read it on wowwiki but my eyes keep crossing |
| 05:00.56 | AnduinLothar | bah, we coulda got hard mode thorum 10man... but tanks kep dying to lightening charge... fail |
| 05:01.21 | Torhal | mikma: http://paste.wowace.com/627/ |
| 05:01.33 | Wobin | Kraps: Someone else reads that blog? =P |
| 05:01.45 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:04.21 | Torhal | mikma: Unfortunately, you'll need to muck with the 512 value to fit yout tooltip. |
| 05:04.29 | Kraps | so how does the fight work? :/ |
| 05:04.34 | Torhal | 3 is height, 512 is width. |
| 05:04.51 | Ackis | so I transfered servers... nuked my wtf and am starting from scratch... not fun I tell yah |
| 05:05.04 | Torhal | Ackis: Bleargh. |
| 05:05.08 | Wobin | Kraps: emalon? |
| 05:05.12 | Ackis | trying out pitbull4 |
| 05:05.17 | Kraps | Wobin: yeah |
| 05:05.23 | Wobin | basically you have your boss, that gets tanked |
| 05:05.28 | Wobin | and four adds that get offtanked |
| 05:05.37 | Wobin | every so often, the boss empowers one of the adds |
| 05:05.46 | Wobin | and dps have to switch and kill it before a certain time |
| 05:05.54 | Wobin | otherwise instagib on the raid |
| 05:05.55 | Zhinjio | g'devenin' |
| 05:05.59 | Ackis | sup Zhinjio |
| 05:06.04 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Speak of the devil |
| 05:06.05 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:06.11 | Wobin | So it's basically a dps race and an attention checker |
| 05:06.14 | Zhinjio | buh? |
| 05:06.21 | Wobin | if the raid fails at either, it fails completely =P |
| 05:06.22 | Ackis | Zhinjio: Torhal and I were just talking about you |
| 05:06.31 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Ackis and I were talking shop about ARL |
| 05:06.37 | Zhinjio | gotcha. |
| 05:06.40 | Ackis | shhhh |
| 05:06.42 | Torhal | Heh |
| 05:06.43 | Ackis | talking about you!!! |
| 05:07.15 | Kraps | why does wowwiki have that as a 1,000 word essay? |
| 05:07.46 | Wobin | it's all how you boil it down =) |
| 05:07.57 | Wobin | Quite a number of boss fights can be boiled down to "Don't stand in shit" |
| 05:08.49 | Kraps | and/or "tank the add and kill it at X time" |
| 05:09.41 | Wobin | My raid leader is trying a teaching technique where he reduces the fight to five points |
| 05:10.05 | Wobin | "Stand here" "Don't stand here" "Shoot that" "Move" etc |
| 05:10.30 | Wobin | So far it's working well, once you understand the basic concepts, you can get into more detail |
| 05:10.44 | Kirov | "DPS, dps. Healers, heal. Tanks, tank. Don't stand in shit. Don't be stupid." |
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| 05:11.28 | DWSR | Don't stand in the ______ and you win. |
| 05:11.33 | DWSR | #1 rule of raiding. |
| 05:11.44 | Kirov | You know what I love though? Hunters who FD in void zones / hurricanes / random unavoidable aoe damage. |
| 05:11.44 | Thunder_Child | the 'dps, dps' part doesnt work |
| 05:12.04 | Adys | http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/?p=1960 |
| 05:12.21 | Kirov | Our guild has 4 hunters. All but one FD on Kologarn when they get eye beamed. |
| 05:12.22 | Kirov | ... |
| 05:12.32 | airtonix | yay, first step of my conky-colour-theme generator : http://pastey.net/114066 |
| 05:12.56 | Wobin | Kirov: instead of... moving? |
| 05:12.56 | Kraps | Kirov: what does that mean? |
| 05:13.13 | Kirov | Wobin - originally, yes. |
| 05:13.21 | Kirov | Now they FD, then move after it starts hitting them. |
| 05:13.28 | airtonix | Kirov, lulz |
| 05:13.33 | Wobin | well.. that's slightly better =) |
| 05:13.45 | airtonix | Kirov, hunters that FD *after* they pull aggro |
| 05:13.50 | airtonix | lulz |
| 05:13.55 | Wobin | well, that's not aggro as such |
| 05:13.57 | Kirov | Except the beam moves almost as fast as you do, so once you're hit with the beam, you're hit with the beam. |
| 05:14.08 | Wobin | the beam is random, isn't it? |
| 05:14.13 | airtonix | <hunter pulls aggro> <hunter FD's> < priest has died > |
| 05:14.14 | Kirov | airtonix - yeah, we've got one of those. |
| 05:14.18 | Wobin | has only ever tanked him |
| 05:14.27 | Kirov | airtonix - yes, but his dps wasn't hurt, so he didn't do anything wrong. |
| 05:14.39 | Kirov | Wobin - completely random. |
| 05:14.43 | Wobin | no no, <hunter pulls aggro standing next to priest> <hunter waits til add is in face> <hunter FD's> |
| 05:14.44 | Kirov | That fight effectively has no aggro |
| 05:14.58 | Wobin | except the summoned adds |
| 05:14.58 | airtonix | yeah its proximity based |
| 05:15.32 | Kirov | Oh, and on Mimiron usually the hunters don't last past phase one because three of them bunch up on top of eachother. |
| 05:15.55 | Kirov | When they get hit, they run away and stand next to someone else. |
| 05:15.59 | airtonix | lua> print(string.rep("lol",10) |
| 05:15.59 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 05:16.00 | Kirov | ... |
| 05:16.04 | airtonix | ... |
| 05:16.13 | Wobin | missing a ) |
| 05:16.16 | airtonix | <hunter EOF> |
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| 05:35.36 | Syzgyn | So I'm doing Yogg 10man |
| 05:35.59 | Syzgyn | Hop in a portal in Phase 2, then immediately get pulled back out by a constrictor tentacle |
| 05:36.32 | Wobin | *yoink!* |
| 05:36.45 | Syzgyn | Annoying, yea, but not a huge deal |
| 05:36.46 | Syzgyn | but then |
| 05:36.53 | Syzgyn | After That portal phase ends |
| 05:36.59 | Syzgyn | I end up getting MCd |
| 05:37.06 | Syzgyn | because it thought I was still in the portal |
| 05:37.10 | Syzgyn | or something, and I went insane |
| 05:39.28 | Zhinjio | pattern question... |
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| 05:39.42 | Zhinjio | I'm going to have a string like name1,name2,name3,name4 |
| 05:39.58 | Zhinjio | I want to make sure that the name I'm comparing to the string matches a WHOLE name |
| 05:40.02 | Zhinjio | for example |
| 05:40.12 | Zhinjio | I don't want "Hydro" to match if the the name in the string is Hydromancer |
| 05:40.32 | Zhinjio | any thoughts on a pattern I can use for that? |
| 05:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ',(%w+),'? |
| 05:41.38 | Zhinjio | how do I account for the names one the ends though? There won't be a command pre/post-ceeding the whole string |
| 05:41.50 | Zhinjio | s/one/on/ |
| 05:41.55 | NightHawkTheSane | prepend/append commas. ;) |
| 05:41.59 | Zhinjio | hahaha |
| 05:42.05 | Zhinjio | bah |
| 05:43.56 | Thunder_Child | well...it seems *.mp3 returns .m3u as well....how fail |
| 05:44.24 | a_nil_value | Syzgyn: had that exact same thing happen to a druid in my 10man this week |
| 05:44.46 | a_nil_value | warden decided he was cheating and disconnected him though when he got tentacled |
| 05:49.09 | Zhinjio | how about... uh... |
| 05:49.55 | Zhinjio | ',*(%w+),*' |
| 05:50.04 | Shirik | Zhinjio: Why not use string.gmatch? |
| 05:50.06 | Shirik | Is that unacceptable? |
| 05:50.17 | Zhinjio | nope. |
| 05:50.17 | Wobin | matching 1 or more commas? |
| 05:50.29 | Shirik | lua> for name in ("name1,name2,name3,name4"):gmatch("[^,]+") do print(name) end |
| 05:50.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: name1, name2, name3, name4 |
| 05:50.32 | Zhinjio | * is 0 or more |
| 05:50.38 | Shirik | ok that was a bad way to print it out |
| 05:50.42 | Wobin | but why commas? |
| 05:50.54 | Shirik | lua> for name in ("name1,name2,name3,name4"):gmatch("[^,]+") do print("|" .. name .. "|") end |
| 05:50.54 | lua_bot | Shirik: |name1|, |name2|, |name3|, |name4| |
| 05:50.55 | Zhinjio | actually, I can specify any separator to use |
| 05:51.43 | Wobin | Shirik: He's trying not to match like that, only if it's name, not name1 |
| 05:51.43 | Shirik | huh? |
| 05:51.44 | Wobin | actually I have no idea anymore |
| 05:51.48 | Zhinjio | yeah, I'm trying to compare the player's name to a string |
| 05:51.54 | Zhinjio | I want to make sure it matches a complete name, not a partial |
| 05:51.57 | Shirik | and btw, Zhinjio, the way to do it here is undocumented, but possible :) |
| 05:52.16 | Shirik | This is where people start getting mad at me |
| 05:52.21 | Wobin | Damnit Shirik! |
| 05:53.07 | Zhinjio | the string to compare to will be name1,name2,name3,... |
| 05:53.14 | Shirik | I believe it's "%f[,](%w+)%f[^,]" |
| 05:53.17 | Zhinjio | I can replace , with just about any separator |
| 05:53.35 | Shirik | But I'm still not sure I understand your problem |
| 05:54.05 | Zhinjio | lets say the string is Hydromancer,Zhinjio,Shirik |
| 05:54.14 | Zhinjio | I don't want "Hydro", or "jio" or "rik" to match |
| 05:54.18 | Zhinjio | just complete names |
| 05:54.19 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:54.21 | Shirik | got it |
| 05:54.31 | Zhinjio | "longest possible string" type matches |
| 05:54.58 | Shirik | lua> string.match("Hydromancer,Zhinjio,Shirik", "%f[,]Shirik%f[^,]") |
| 05:54.58 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 05:55.04 | Zhinjio | I don't even see %f in the spec |
| 05:55.06 | Shirik | I have to remember how to use this, one sec |
| 05:55.09 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 05:55.09 | Shirik | I know, I said it was undocumented |
| 05:55.12 | Torhal | mikma: ping |
| 05:55.12 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 05:55.15 | Wobin | that's why he said undocumented =) |
| 05:55.24 | Shirik | lua> string.match("Hydromancer,Zhinjio,Shirik", "%f[%a]Shirik%f[%A]") |
| 05:55.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: Shirik |
| 05:55.27 | Shirik | that'll work |
| 05:55.49 | Kirov | what is %f? |
| 05:56.03 | Wobin | lua> string.match("Hydromancer,Zhinjio,Shirik", "%f[%a]Shiri%f[%A]") |
| 05:56.04 | lua_bot | Wobin: nil |
| 05:56.14 | Shirik | it basically looks for the transition from "Not in set" to "In set" |
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| 05:56.39 | Zhinjio | whoa |
| 05:56.43 | Shirik | So it looks for the boundaries, which is exactly what Zhinjio is looking for |
| 05:57.09 | Zhinjio | does %a work with utf-8 whackiness? |
| 05:57.20 | foxlit | no |
| 05:57.30 | Shirik | UTF-8 is going to cause you problems all over the place with string.match regardless |
| 05:57.30 | Zhinjio | kurapo. |
| 05:57.34 | Zhinjio | yeah |
| 05:57.39 | Wobin | you could use %p and %P |
| 05:57.41 | Zhinjio | I realized that on the last iteration of this block of code. |
| 05:58.42 | Shirik | lua> string.match("Hydromancer,Zhinjio,Shirik", "%f[^,]Shirik%f[,]") |
| 05:58.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 05:58.49 | Shirik | I forget exactly how to make that work for a specific character |
| 05:58.55 | Shirik | lua> string.match("Hydromancer,Zhinjio,Shirik", "%f[^,]Shirik%f[,%z]") |
| 05:58.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: Shirik |
| 05:59.00 | Shirik | I think that's how you're supposed to do it |
| 05:59.32 | foxlit | what are you looking for, anyway |
| 05:59.49 | Shirik | He wants to get a list of names, like "Hydromancer,Zhinjio,Shirik" and then, given any name, determine if it's in that list |
| 06:00.02 | Shirik | I already suggested string.gmatch() but he didn't like that :) |
| 06:00.15 | foxlit | surround it with commas and string.find. |
| 06:00.27 | Zhinjio | smiles. |
| 06:00.29 | Shirik | that's boring |
| 06:00.45 | foxlit | or, hey, just capture optional characters |
| 06:00.47 | Arrowmaster | i found a new site |
| 06:00.49 | Arrowmaster | www.textsfromlastnight.com |
| 06:00.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i suggested that already :P |
| 06:01.00 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: my scrollback is limited. |
| 06:01.15 | Wobin | .... |
| 06:01.23 | foxlit | (.?)yournamehere(.?) check that both captures are either commas or empty |
| 06:01.29 | Wobin | theres... a live action film being made from the game show "Gladiators"? |
| 06:02.01 | Wobin | http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003480.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562 |
| 06:02.47 | Shirik | foxlit is one of said people that hates me for using %f |
| 06:03.01 | foxlit | /hate! |
| 06:03.04 | Shirik | (even if this is EXACTLY what it was designed for) |
| 06:03.34 | Zhinjio | well, then I won't say what solution since I have no desire to piss off anyone. *grin* |
| 06:03.54 | Zhinjio | /solution/solution I use/ |
| 06:03.58 | Shirik | Use %f because it looks cool and will make people go "woah!" |
| 06:04.18 | Zhinjio | well, if Arrowmaster doesn't like it, I'll use it. |
| 06:04.25 | Arrowmaster | ?? |
| 06:04.28 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 06:04.36 | foxlit | Use %f and watch it break in an unspecificed future patch |
| 06:05.00 | Zhinjio | they pulled out math.random recently, that kind of pissed me off. |
| 06:05.02 | Zhinjio | but oh well |
| 06:05.07 | Kirov | I hear WoW is upgrading to Lua 6.0 next patch |
| 06:05.14 | foxlit | .randomseed, not .random |
| 06:05.19 | Zhinjio | right |
| 06:05.22 | Zhinjio | what you said. |
| 06:05.29 | Arrowmaster | there was no real reason for randomseed |
| 06:05.41 | Arrowmaster | and it was able to be used in a real exploit |
| 06:05.58 | Shirik | Kirov: They are. They got a hold of it pre-release |
| 06:06.00 | Shirik | pre-development even |
| 06:06.03 | Kirov | they're going to swap for and if statements, so iterators now look like if i=1, 5, -1 then |
| 06:06.26 | krka | hurray |
| 06:06.38 | krka | lua 6.0 is awesome, good call by blizzard |
| 06:06.43 | Kirov | Oh, and by default they require the third param |
| 06:06.47 | Shirik | There's no known bugs in lua 6.0 |
| 06:06.51 | Shirik | And I have no problems with it |
| 06:07.17 | Kirov | for statements require moral qualification. |
| 06:08.14 | Kirov | what for var ~= nil because god hates swine flu do |
| 06:08.43 | Arrowmaster | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/view/45807 |
| 06:08.47 | Arrowmaster | lmfao |
| 06:15.47 | Shirik | are those area codes? |
| 06:15.50 | Shirik | I recognize both of them |
| 06:15.52 | Shirik | I'm 703 actually |
| 06:17.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:17.44 | Arrowmaster | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/view/43974 |
| 06:18.29 | Torhal | mikma: Evil AFKer. |
| 06:21.23 | krka | http://www.shipmentoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/190.jpg |
| 06:22.25 | Shirik | lolol |
| 06:22.39 | Shirik | "If all else fails, go with B from now on" |
| 06:23.18 | Arrowmaster | old |
| 06:25.47 | Thunder_Child | so are you Arrowmaster |
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| 06:29.31 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5249895/pirate-bay-founders-plan-a-ddo-attack-on-the-ifpi |
| 06:30.38 | Shirik | A DDO attack, huh? |
| 06:30.47 | Thunder_Child | DDO$ |
| 06:30.55 | Wobin | heheh |
| 06:30.59 | Thunder_Child | but the $ doesnt work well in urls i guess |
| 06:31.07 | Wobin | that's... an ingenious idea |
| 06:31.16 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes it is |
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| 06:31.32 | Wobin | So how does one go about this? |
| 06:31.39 | Wobin | I'm perfectly willing to pay 13c to the cause |
| 06:31.49 | Thunder_Child | not a clue |
| 06:31.58 | Corrodias | their web site probably has details |
| 06:32.07 | Fisker- | sup dawgs |
| 06:32.11 | Corrodias | but we should be quiet about it |
| 06:32.19 | Corrodias | LEST SOMEBODY HEAR US TALKING ABOUT THE DIRTY PIRATES IN HERE |
| 06:32.23 | Thunder_Child | "Designed with style, technology and mobility in mind, Dell's new site, Della, caters exclusively to women" http://gizmodo.com/5249520/della-helps-women-get-comfortable-with-technology |
| 06:32.28 | Thunder_Child | seriously? |
| 06:32.37 | Thunder_Child | you fail dell |
| 06:32.52 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:32.55 | Shirik | that's a bit sexist |
| 06:33.04 | Fisker- | When haven't dell failed? |
| 06:33.25 | Wobin | what? =P |
| 06:33.37 | Fisker- | Oh and only women use myspace, twitter and facebook? :3 |
| 06:34.34 | Corrodias | i wish |
| 06:34.36 | Arrowmaster | they do? |
| 06:35.06 | Corrodias | you think that's discriminatory against women? |
| 06:35.10 | Corrodias | della? |
| 06:35.22 | Fisker- | who said that? :3 |
| 06:35.30 | Wobin | Dell is clearly a -man's- name |
| 06:35.33 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5249442/japanese-find-out-how-to-make-heart+shaped-watermelons |
| 06:36.04 | Thunder_Child | no fucking way....who the hell kneels to pee?? http://gizmodo.com/5249354/japanese-toilet-kneeler-puts-you-closer-to-the-action |
| 06:36.30 | airtonix | my little book of calm |
| 06:36.57 | Fisker- | http://kotaku.com/5248715/years-later-rapelay-making-waves-in-japanese-press |
| 06:37.24 | Thunder_Child | ya i saw that Fisker-, what a load of crap |
| 06:38.01 | Corrodias | ILLUSION buckled. i guess it's not like they can lose sales of the product, since they've already probably sold as many units as they will. |
| 06:38.13 | Corrodias | but still, we're not proud of them. |
| 06:38.16 | Fisker- | i'd buy it |
| 06:38.52 | Corrodias | i have it, though i didn't BUY it persay. |
| 06:39.15 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5248874/west-point-training-hackers |
| 06:39.21 | Fisker- | aww |
| 06:39.24 | Fisker- | can't find it in denmark |
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| 06:44.34 | Fisker- | i'm spinning around ;_; |
| 06:44.51 | Corrodias | STOP SPINNING |
| 06:46.16 | Elkano | round round baby round round... |
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| 06:46.26 | Wobin | Move out of your way? |
| 06:48.01 | Kirov | lol, there's an article on Gizmodo making fun of a new microsoft advert for the zune ... which happens to be prominantely display right next to the ad. |
| 06:48.44 | Wobin | Elkano: "Dead or Alive" or "Kylie Minogue" =P |
| 06:50.16 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5250003/chinese-guy-spends-a-day-as-a-world-of-warcraft-character |
| 06:51.35 | Thunder_Child | so corny |
| 06:53.29 | Fisker- | So you guys looking forward to Thiaf? |
| 06:54.50 | Thunder_Child | Thiaf? |
| 06:55.02 | Wobin | rofl |
| 06:55.05 | Wobin | Time is Money friend! |
| 06:55.23 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5249843/blizzard-hires-casual-games-guru-from-popcap |
| 06:55.26 | Wobin | oh this is great =) |
| 06:59.38 | Fisker- | giev account merges |
| 07:00.04 | Arrowmaster | is it bad that i thought of big bang theory when i saw this http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/view/44064 |
| 07:03.51 | Fisker- | hurr |
| 07:03.54 | Fisker- | weekly wintergrasp quests |
| 07:04.01 | Fisker- | here's an idea, just drop it already |
| 07:04.11 | Fisker- | Changing quests won't stop the lag, people will still go there |
| 07:04.20 | Fisker- | Removing the whole event will stop the lag |
| 07:04.21 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 07:05.30 | widgertick | How about they just fix the lag |
| 07:05.35 | widgertick | And leave the fun rewards? |
| 07:05.50 | Fisker- | They'll never fix the lag |
| 07:06.08 | widgertick | Fisker-, you probably doubt cellular mitosis |
| 07:06.35 | Fisker- | Just make wintergrasp a non-player event which switches side every 3 hours |
| 07:06.42 | foxlit | Fisker- only doubts cellular mitosis if it happens to pass over his bridge. |
| 07:06.47 | Fisker- | and remove no-flying zone |
| 07:07.49 | widgertick | So you're saying all they should do to fix wintergrasp is change it completely because you don't believe they can fix the technical issues after five months of trying and one major patch for evidence? :) |
| 07:08.23 | widgertick | can wait a little longer >_> |
| 07:08.50 | Fisker- | I think doing it would do a lot more for world pvp than having the event there |
| 07:09.12 | widgertick | I don't think having world events is a viable way to drive world pvp anyway |
| 07:09.46 | Jamash | wg is cool |
| 07:10.12 | widgertick | It's kinda cool right now but it's hard to tell exactly how cool because on most servers it doesn't work well at all. |
| 07:10.40 | widgertick | I've tried it on like three different eighties across three different servers on two different factions |
| 07:10.48 | Jamash | yeah the lag is bad |
| 07:10.54 | widgertick | And it's always run around and do some stuff for 15 minutes then pray you win once the lag matters |
| 07:12.29 | widgertick | I think the only reason I prefer WG to that one event in Terrokar Forest is that the rewards are tangible for the people who have to fight to win |
| 07:12.38 | Fisker- | true |
| 07:12.44 | Jamash | my ideal world pvp concept would be something like the Plague Event |
| 07:12.47 | Fisker- | i only do it for the once-a-week raid to emalon |
| 07:13.26 | widgertick | If I play Wintergrasp I try to do it at some crazy hour when only Aussies are on my server. |
| 07:13.37 | Jamash | that can work |
| 07:14.09 | widgertick | I hope it just gets fixed :) |
| 07:18.58 | Fisker- | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/court-upholds-hacking-conviction-of-man-for-uploading-porn-pics-from-work-computer/ |
| 07:18.59 | Fisker- | hahaha |
| 07:20.31 | Corrodias | heh heh |
| 07:20.43 | Corrodias | and the politicians want us to think the anti-harrassment bill wouldn't be used out of context |
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| 07:23.59 | Wobin | You should always time your pvp til when the aussies are the only ones on |
| 07:24.13 | Wobin | it gives you a second or so worth of advantage, straight off the bat |
| 07:25.16 | Thunder_Child | stop hating the aussies Wobin! |
| 07:26.21 | Wobin | what hating? It's the truth, unfortunate as it is =P |
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| 07:30.35 | Thunder_Child | lies Wobin, lies |
| 07:30.47 | Wobin | come over here and say that. |
| 07:30.58 | Wobin | I'll pwn you cause I'm used to 500+ ping times =P |
| 07:31.00 | Thunder_Child | and get shot by an arrow? |
| 07:31.10 | Wobin | Nah, we'll just let the wildlife kill you |
| 07:31.12 | Thunder_Child | oh....in-game |
| 07:31.21 | Thunder_Child | damit, make up your mind |
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| 07:54.16 | Wobin | aw man |
| 07:54.22 | Wobin | extended extended maintenence =( |
| 07:54.24 | Wobin | 12hrs?! |
| 07:56.57 | Wobin | Xinhuan: I just logged onto Argent Dawn |
| 07:57.02 | Wobin | guess what the trade channel was filled with |
| 08:00.13 | Wobin | hm, what spec to level a 69 mage on? |
| 08:02.13 | foxlit | 20/20/20! |
| 08:02.14 | airtonix | 0/0/0 |
| 08:02.18 | airtonix | bacnk alt |
| 08:02.20 | airtonix | bank* |
| 08:04.02 | Wobin | hehe 61/0/0 |
| 08:04.10 | Wobin | or in my case, 60/0/0 |
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| 08:16.18 | Wobin | hm, does invisibliity cancel threat completely? |
| 08:16.26 | Wobin | or do we pick it up once it fades? |
| 08:16.52 | Shirik | Considering people have been told to go invisible during raids when they're high on threat, I think it dumps it |
| 08:17.12 | Shirik | it wouldn't make sense to do that if not, considering you can't dps while invisible |
| 08:17.30 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, completely i believe |
| 08:17.40 | Corrodias | at least as of 2.4, invisibility sets your threat to 0 for all opponents |
| 08:17.54 | Corrodias | IF it succeeds in fading out all the way |
| 08:18.03 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:18.07 | Shirik | can it not succeed? |
| 08:18.09 | Wobin | you can cancel it once you're invisible |
| 08:18.11 | Wobin | no |
| 08:18.17 | Wobin | it'll always succeed |
| 08:18.24 | Wobin | it just has a fade time untalented |
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| 08:18.27 | Corrodias | doesn't it have a fa- |
| 08:18.31 | Elkano | didn't it reduce threat over time? |
| 08:18.37 | Wobin | talented, it can be instant |
| 08:18.43 | Shirik | oh I didn't know there was a fade time |
| 08:18.44 | Wobin | which is kinda cool |
| 08:18.49 | Corrodias | yeah, okay, once it faded out, i mean. i don't know about whether it reduced thread at all while fading. |
| 08:18.56 | Wobin | it's essentially a 2.1minute unresistable feign death |
| 08:19.06 | Wobin | it reduces it during the fade |
| 08:19.30 | Wobin | some smooth drop off of sorts |
| 08:19.48 | cncfanatics | gooooood morning everyone ! |
| 08:22.37 | Arrowmaster | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/view/44317 |
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| 08:25.12 | Ketrel | Quick question, does anyone know of an addon that'll show locations of NPCs such as trainers and such? |
| 08:25.31 | Wobin | hm, damn this |
| 08:25.39 | Wobin | now I'm getting interested in levelling a mage |
| 08:25.49 | Wobin | and my 69 mage is of the wrong faction on the wrong server =P |
| 08:28.24 | Wobin | hm, where are the training dummies in SW? |
| 08:30.17 | Trela | Inside the rogue area next to the PvP hall. |
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| 08:35.46 | Wobin | ta. |
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| 09:06.53 | Arrowmaster | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/view/44490 |
| 09:07.15 | Arrowmaster | i seriously need to find something better to do when im extermely bored instead of reading sites like this |
| 09:07.54 | TC-Away | *sigh* i have 70GB of pictures |
| 09:08.10 | Thunder_Child | stupid raw |
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| 09:59.03 | Wobin | I wish we could switch faction on server transfers |
| 10:00.19 | zenzio | hands Wobin a High-Level Omni-Tek Application Form |
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| 10:28.45 | Ycarene | What would happen if Blizzard made combat data unparseable? |
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| 10:44.18 | Grum | people would write parsers for it |
| 10:57.21 | cncfanatics | Ycarene: how would they go & do that ? |
| 10:57.26 | cncfanatics | its not possible with their current api :p |
| 10:57.39 | cncfanatics | if they say, made /combatlog not work, people would write an addon that does it |
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| 11:57.43 | a_nil_value | Ycarene: that would be extremely unlike them to do anything like that |
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| 12:22.16 | Wobin | http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/2009/what-goes-around-comes-around/ |
| 12:22.24 | Wobin | interesting campaign |
| 12:23.31 | Grum | haha indeed :) |
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| 12:24.59 | Lopeppeppy | has an allergies. Achooo! |
| 12:25.13 | zenzio | allergy to what? |
| 12:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | So many things! Cats, trees, plants, dust, mold, pollen... rawr. |
| 12:26.47 | zenzio | sounds icky |
| 12:26.54 | zenzio | pollen is bad enough |
| 12:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | Spring is icky for me, ya. |
| 12:27.24 | zenzio | I've been messed up the last few weeks thanks to birch trees |
| 12:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | The ash went crazy with pollen last week, those don't bother me as much as whatever is active this week. |
| 12:29.47 | Wobin | http://www.3dcluster.co.nz/3DCluster/benjamin_art.html#0 |
| 12:31.42 | Lopeppeppy | That... is a giant rat. |
| 12:34.42 | jnwhiteh | Can anyone explain why :>filename.txt will truncate a file in unix? |
| 12:35.03 | zenzio | ":>" ? |
| 12:35.18 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:35.21 | jnwhiteh | apparently : is a command |
| 12:35.24 | jnwhiteh | which returns nothing |
| 12:35.34 | zenzio | is this from the shell? |
| 12:35.38 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 12:35.43 | zenzio | well, > is a truncating operator... >> is append |
| 12:35.48 | zenzio | AFAIK |
| 12:35.49 | jnwhiteh | yes i know that |
| 12:35.54 | Grum | wasnt ':' same as 'nothing from stdin' orso? |
| 12:35.57 | jnwhiteh | the issue is why on earth there is a ':; command |
| 12:35.57 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 12:36.13 | Wobin | isn't sure what :P would do =) |
| 12:36.16 | Grum | how else can you say 'empty stream from stdin'? :D |
| 12:36.18 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 12:37.50 | zenzio | : [arguments] Do nothing beyond expanding arguments and performing redirections. The return status is zero |
| 12:38.08 | jnwhiteh | fun |
| 12:38.15 | zenzio | suppose the argument-expansion could be useful in some manner not obvious to me |
| 12:43.55 | Kraftman | anyone here good with powerpoint? |
| 12:44.10 | Wobin | you have to be -good- with powerpoint? |
| 12:44.34 | Kraftman | haha |
| 12:44.40 | Lopeppeppy | It's... something I use sometimes, Kraftman. Meh. |
| 12:44.46 | mikma | torhal: i was a evil sleeper :D |
| 12:44.52 | Kraftman | i need to split up a text box to make each come in per click |
| 12:44.56 | Kraftman | :S |
| 12:45.00 | Kraftman | each line* |
| 12:45.19 | zenzio | now now, be nice to Powerpoint. Where would obnoxious, large, graphical joke e-mails be without it? |
| 12:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, animations. I've never done those, sorry. I stick with flat slides. |
| 12:46.24 | Wobin | Actually I saw an article on good presentation techniques |
| 12:46.42 | Wobin | the one thing you -don't- want to have, is a list of what you're literally talking about |
| 12:46.59 | Wobin | You need to have the presentation -support- your talk, but not repeat it |
| 12:47.48 | Lopeppeppy | Have the slides be things you talk about, but not *all* you do. If you read the slides to the audience, fail is you. |
| 12:48.06 | Kraftman | i just have bullet points |
| 12:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for bullets! |
| 12:48.35 | Kraftman | but i want me title to show up, then each bullet point so i can talk about it before moving on to the next |
| 12:48.38 | Kraftman | my* |
| 12:48.46 | zenzio | I never figured you for a gun enthusiast peppy |
| 12:48.58 | Wobin | http://presentationzen.blogs.com/presentationzen/2005/11/the_zen_estheti.html |
| 12:49.02 | Wobin | have a look at that |
| 12:49.07 | Wobin | it compares Jobs with Gates =) |
| 12:49.37 | Kraftman | my presenation is in 10 minutes |
| 12:49.46 | Kraftman | >< |
| 12:49.47 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:49.58 | zenzio | isn't there something like lists for what you want to do Kraftman? |
| 12:50.14 | Wobin | can you not create a list of slides with each slide showing more points than the prevoius? |
| 12:50.23 | Kraftman | hmm |
| 12:50.32 | Kraftman | thats a good idea |
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| 12:51.11 | Wobin | I suspect that's how it's done |
| 12:51.20 | Wobin | just adjust how the transition works |
| 12:52.10 | Kraftman | yeh should be quite quick to just copy and paste slies |
| 12:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, I am a redneck chick -- knowing about guns is the least of my quirks. :) |
| 12:52.32 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: knowing and liking are different things |
| 12:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a redneck chick. One does not like firearms, one respects them as tools and learns to use them properly. *gentle shrug* |
| 12:53.27 | Lopeppeppy | Target practice is fun though. :) |
| 12:53.58 | Wobin | Kraftman: but that article is a good read =) |
| 12:54.11 | Kraftman | i'll have to check it out afterwards >< |
| 12:54.16 | Kraftman | and then shootmyself |
| 12:58.04 | Wobin | with your bulletpoints? |
| 12:58.09 | Wobin | good luck with your presentation! =) |
| 13:00.38 | Lopeppeppy | *crosses fingers for Kraftman* |
| 13:01.18 | Kraftman | waves goodbye |
| 13:01.25 | Kraftman | thanks ^^ |
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| 13:09.23 | Wobin | lol@the curse giveaway on wowinsider |
| 13:09.36 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph? |
| 13:09.40 | Wobin | You should pick 20 of the posters who complain about there being a premium service =P |
| 13:10.22 | Wobin | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/05/12/win-a-year-of-curse-s-premium-service/ |
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| 13:29.47 | Legorol | I'm a PvP noob, so I'm a bit confused about this. The order of pvp sets is furious > hateful > deadly, right? |
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| 13:30.25 | Legorol | hm, no, it's furious > deadly > hateful, is it? |
| 13:31.36 | theorbtwo | Legorol: Check out item levels? |
| 13:32.47 | Stanzilla | furious > deadly > hateful is correct |
| 13:33.20 | Legorol | has the introduction of season 6 shuffled around what you can buy for emblems? |
| 13:33.25 | Legorol | i think that's what might be confusing me |
| 13:34.24 | Stanzilla | nah, you can't buy deadly and furious for emblems |
| 13:34.25 | Legorol | another thing: i can see in stormwind i can buy hateful stuff for honor, but what happened to the savage set that used to be there? |
| 13:34.28 | Stanzilla | err |
| 13:34.33 | Stanzilla | Deadly is Conquest emblems, sry |
| 13:34.34 | Legorol | Stanzilla: you can buy deadly for conquest, i just checked |
| 13:34.38 | Stanzilla | yes, sry |
| 13:34.46 | Legorol | did anything change for the rest with season 6? |
| 13:35.12 | Stanzilla | not really |
| 13:35.21 | Legorol | i could've sworn it was savage for heroism, hateful for valor emblems |
| 13:35.21 | Stanzilla | savage is emblem of heroism |
| 13:35.30 | Stanzilla | (dalaran vendor) |
| 13:35.32 | Legorol | yes |
| 13:35.39 | Legorol | ah ok so no way to get furious for emblems |
| 13:35.48 | Stanzilla | right |
| 13:36.08 | Legorol | so where do i buy savage for honor? |
| 13:37.33 | Stanzilla | I would buy Hateful, it's cheap enough |
| 13:39.38 | Legorol | that's not what i asked though :) |
| 13:41.11 | Legorol | is it even possible? |
| 13:41.35 | Stanzilla | I was just searching wowhead..maybe they removed it |
| 13:44.27 | Stanzilla | the vendor that had it now sells hateful |
| 13:44.31 | Stanzilla | so I guess they removed it |
| 13:45.28 | Legorol | ok thanks |
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| 13:54.20 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah |
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| 14:03.32 | Wobin | goddamn this altitis =( |
| 14:03.35 | Wobin | now I want to play a mage |
| 14:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. So go play one. |
| 14:05.45 | zenzelezz | why would he play a druid when he wants to play a mage? |
| 14:06.07 | Wobin | I still have a shammy to level |
| 14:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | He shouldn't, I just told him to go Blizzard some stuff. |
| 14:06.34 | Seerah | morning Lopeppeppy |
| 14:07.00 | Zyndrome | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 14:07.29 | Lopeppeppy | Zyndrome, what is that a drawing of? |
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| 14:07.57 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: himself |
| 14:07.59 | Zyndrome | Mozart With A Constipation, I call it |
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| 14:10.13 | Fisker- | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | ~Fisker- -- |
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| 14:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | ~karma Fisker-. |
| 14:10.41 | purl | fisker-. has neutral karma |
| 14:10.48 | Lopeppeppy | How does that happen! :) |
| 14:11.01 | Kraftman | woo! |
| 14:11.05 | Kraftman | it went fairly well :) |
| 14:11.17 | Lopeppeppy | And quickly, Kraftman. |
| 14:11.32 | Kraftman | well it was 10 mins + 10 mins of questions |
| 14:11.45 | Kraftman | not the longest presentation in the world |
| 14:13.03 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.wowhead.com/?blog=94338 <- you have a fan |
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| 14:19.29 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:19.51 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo |
| 14:20.00 | kneeki | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff19bMye4JM |
| 14:20.00 | kneeki | 4 minute internet exclusive |
| 14:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | about what, for those of us who can't do youtube at work? |
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| 14:21.32 | kneeki | new terminator movie |
| 14:21.35 | kneeki | its sweetness |
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| 14:28.16 | Ycarene | If blizzard provided a "client" that was always logged on to do things like hold channels, store information and provide information to guild members, would that be a welcome addition? |
| 14:28.41 | Osstia | a bot? |
| 14:28.50 | kneeki | ^ bot |
| 14:29.05 | alestane | Like the WoW chat equivalent of purk? |
| 14:29.07 | alestane | purl* |
| 14:29.15 | alestane | ~soothe purl |
| 14:29.16 | purl | ACTION exerts a calming influence on purl |
| 14:29.17 | nicoli_s | Ycarene there are such things |
| 14:29.20 | nicoli_s | just not legally |
| 14:29.26 | Ycarene | Essentially, yes. |
| 14:29.49 | Ycarene | I mean one provided serverside for blizzard with a smaller api available. |
| 14:29.55 | Ycarene | for=by |
| 14:29.58 | foxlit | I don't imagine I would care. |
| 14:30.05 | alestane | A guild secretary, or something of the sort. |
| 14:30.06 | nicoli_s | it would be great, but i doubt itd happen |
| 14:30.12 | foxlit | Information storage for most guilds is external anyway |
| 14:30.21 | foxlit | Holding channels is an odd, odd concept. |
| 14:30.38 | alestane | Potentially nice, but not critical, and potentially complex. |
| 14:30.59 | Osstia | and the potential for annoyance is high, I would highly doubt you'll ever see it |
| 14:31.12 | nicoli_s | what would be better is a thing that provided auction house data externally |
| 14:31.27 | foxlit | (urgh!) |
| 14:31.47 | Osstia | nicoli_s: that would be nice. So would a seperate client that would allow me to participate in guild chat |
| 14:32.07 | Osstia | I would love to be able to login and talk to people without running the game |
| 14:32.20 | nicoli_s | you could write your own, youd just have to implement the client authentication and warden protocol :P |
| 14:32.55 | Seerah | or we could not talk about how to do hacks in the channel... ;) |
| 14:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | That would be better. |
| 14:33.13 | nevcairiel | Lets talk about hacking Seerah instead! |
| 14:33.20 | Seerah | noooooooooo!!!1!!1 |
| 14:33.32 | kneeki | Who hasn't hacked Seerah? =p |
| 14:33.35 | foxlit | I think Seerah's Shift key is quite vulnerable. |
| 14:33.37 | nicoli_s | its not hacking if the protocols are publicly available |
| 14:33.52 | alestane | nicoli_s: However, I don't believe they are? |
| 14:34.07 | foxlit | authentication is based on something open. |
| 14:34.13 | Wobin | actually |
| 14:34.23 | foxlit | Warden is... well, warden. |
| 14:34.25 | Wobin | what would be good is if Blizzard externalised the chat channels |
| 14:34.32 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, that's IRC. |
| 14:34.33 | Wobin | into IRC like Conan did |
| 14:34.44 | alestane | However, I think the Terms of Service do prohibit imitating the client. |
| 14:34.44 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway.... how's about those local sports teams? |
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| 14:34.50 | Wobin | it allowed IRC bots to act as addons, essentially |
| 14:35.07 | Lopeppeppy | WoW = sandbox, end of story. |
| 14:35.09 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: sports? psh - bunnies! |
| 14:35.12 | nicoli_s | alestane they are, just not by bblizzard |
| 14:35.13 | Wobin | PIE |
| 14:35.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, bunnies! |
| 14:35.27 | Seerah | Wobin: CHEESECAKE! |
| 14:35.39 | foxlit | WoW = sandbox stopped making sense once they made another, secure stadbox inside the original sandbox. |
| 14:35.48 | foxlit | s/stad/sand/ |
| 14:36.03 | Lopeppeppy | http://s.wowinterface.com/storage/cairennsmilies/no-idea.jpg |
| 14:36.25 | Lopeppeppy | I don't care how many sandboxes it takes to uphold the ToS. :) Gief me bunnehs! |
| 14:36.47 | foxlit | I mean, what evil could I unleash upon the game with external communication? |
| 14:36.54 | Lopeppeppy | Bunnehs. |
| 14:37.01 | Seerah | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/12/funny-pictures-get-all-the-glory/ |
| 14:37.02 | nevcairiel | if its real time, alot |
| 14:37.04 | foxlit | Good point. |
| 14:37.19 | foxlit | about the bunnehs, that is. |
| 14:37.50 | jnwhiteh | !addon MrPlow |
| 14:37.51 | lua_bot | MrPlow (v. 81760) last updated Tue Sep 16 02:14 (http://is.gd/zbjL) |
| 14:37.54 | Ycarene | Could be a mechanism for ally-horde communication. |
| 14:37.58 | jnwhiteh | does MrPlow work with guild banks? |
| 14:38.32 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 14:38.37 | jnwhiteh | seems like it doesn't work period :P |
| 14:38.42 | foxlit | so is any external chat. |
| 14:38.44 | Stanzilla | BankStack does |
| 14:38.49 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: thanks. |
| 14:39.59 | kneeki | Is there a button facade that themes the default blizzard bars? |
| 14:40.17 | Seerah | there used to be a plugin for that, but I'm not sure if it works any more |
| 14:40.22 | kneeki | drat! |
| 14:40.27 | kneeki | I'd love such a thing |
| 14:40.34 | kneeki | Know what it was called, perhaps I'll update it |
| 14:40.38 | Kraftman | im'm working on something like that atm |
| 14:40.44 | Kraftman | i'm* |
| 14:40.47 | kneeki | Kraftman, gimmeh! |
| 14:40.51 | foxlit | It's relatively trivial. |
| 14:40.56 | Stanzilla | kneeki: http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-13556/ |
| 14:41.01 | foxlit | Except, of course, you have to deal with the BF API. |
| 14:41.04 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: BankStack doesn't seem to work with guild banks on the version I got from CC |
| 14:41.17 | Wobin | rarrr |
| 14:41.19 | Wobin | ffs |
| 14:41.26 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: the slash command is not documented i guess, /sort guildn (n=tab number) |
| 14:41.26 | Wobin | -why- do I read threads on addon updaters? |
| 14:41.36 | Wobin | It makes me want to cut people |
| 14:41.43 | alestane | Wobin: Because you hate yourself? |
| 14:41.47 | jnwhiteh | ah.. thanks |
| 14:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | Don't be hatin, Wobin. |
| 14:41.50 | Wobin | cuts alestane |
| 14:41.55 | kneeki | Stanzilla, thanks much |
| 14:42.20 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: http://www.wowhead.com/?blog=94338#comments |
| 14:42.25 | Osstia | ddc's Wobin some Chlonazepam |
| 14:42.25 | kneeki | oh damnit, i forgot it was server down tuesday |
| 14:42.26 | kneeki | =( |
| 14:42.30 | Osstia | s/ddc/dcc/ |
| 14:42.35 | Wobin | stupid long maintenence |
| 14:42.56 | Lopeppeppy | Servers seriously need it, Wobin. |
| 14:43.03 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:43.07 | Wobin | I was quite happy with the reboots |
| 14:43.18 | Wobin | allowed me to get more on my Higher Learning achievement =P |
| 14:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | The reboots didn't fix Kirin Tor, there was a lot of evil |
| 14:43.24 | alestane | ??? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904077805&sid=1 ? |
| 14:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, here's a good question for peoples. What can make my computer freeze for 15 second bursts while playing WoW? Not just WoW freezing, the whole thing. It isn't temperature.... |
| 14:44.18 | foxlit | ram |
| 14:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ram tested clean. |
| 14:44.38 | kneeki | HDD |
| 14:44.45 | foxlit | There's no such thing as ram tested clean |
| 14:44.47 | Lopeppeppy | HDD meaning what in this case, Kneeki. |
| 14:44.56 | alestane | Oh hey, Peppy, did you die first in Gun'Drak? |
| 14:44.58 | kneeki | Do a full hard drive scan, with a defrag afterwards |
| 14:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, I tested it to the best of the ability of the tester as being fine. |
| 14:44.58 | Osstia | hdd meaning Hard Drive? |
| 14:45.02 | foxlit | It either fails, or it didn't fail in the time taken to run the test :) |
| 14:45.10 | foxlit | the latter is a "Maybe it works" |
| 14:45.25 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy, I had those same issues a year or so ago. Scandisk fixed them for me |
| 14:45.31 | foxlit | But hey, check that it's actually operating at rated frequencies and timings |
| 14:45.53 | Lopeppeppy | If the hard drive is failing I'm just scrod. :) I'll try a scandisk, it's a very recent XP install so it shouldn't be fragged or anything. |
| 14:45.55 | foxlit | PSU / CPU voltage can also fail. |
| 14:46.10 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy, It's defenatly fragged if you just installed an OS |
| 14:46.15 | foxlit | undervolt by too much, and you get a pretty freeze. |
| 14:46.37 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy, On average, afer doing all your windows updates and so forth, about 20-30%. At least in my experience |
| 14:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | Neat, kneeki. I'll set it to do that tonight while I do housework and play on the laptop. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 14:48.56 | kneeki | np |
| 14:49.05 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, I don't remember who died first. It wasn't me though. |
| 14:50.06 | alestane | Oh, and I did finally make Loremaster on Ales Sr. Also, my wednesday night class is almost done, so I'm expecting to spend more time on Kirin Tor again. |
| 14:52.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for class breaks, but boo for class breaks! |
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| 14:53.03 | alestane | Boo? |
| 14:53.24 | Lopeppeppy | You're not teaching. |
| 14:53.56 | alestane | I'll be teaching on Thursday morning instead, at least it looks likely. |
| 14:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | Eew, mornings. |
| 14:56.27 | alestane | Those are my options for classes at this place...8am-12:30pm, or 6pm-10:30pm. |
| 14:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | Well, expect a lot of breakfast to be eaten at you. |
| 14:58.12 | alestane | Fortunately I can boot them out of the room if they do that, my classes are held in computer labs. |
| 14:58.26 | Osstia | What are you teaching alestane? |
| 14:58.35 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... you'll have to make the no-food thing clear on the first class then. |
| 14:59.07 | alestane | This quarter, Instructional Design and Linux System Administration. Next quarter, Web Authoring and Intermediate Programming. |
| 14:59.33 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Fortunately it's been pretty well hammered into most of them by now. But yes, I have a first-day handout. |
| 14:59.39 | nicoli_s | man i wish i had classes like that in school |
| 15:00.47 | alestane | Oh well, gotta go, I have work in Boston today and I have to catch a bus. |
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| 15:18.15 | Zamoria | /tap realms |
| 15:18.44 | Lopeppeppy | Not gonna work. They are dead, dead, dead. |
| 15:19.54 | Kraftman | i think you could tell me the worst news in the world and as long as you gave me some cheesecake too i'd be fine :) |
| 15:20.12 | Kraftman | except maybe 'the cheesecake is poisoned' |
| 15:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | "The cheesecake is poisoned but still tastes good" |
| 15:20.31 | Kraftman | hurrah! |
| 15:20.34 | Osstia | Kraftman, that would heavily depend on how good the cheesecake was though |
| 15:20.49 | Kraftman | true |
| 15:20.55 | Kraftman | im asuming its a nice cheesecake |
| 15:21.04 | airtonix | GetPlayerMapPosition doesnt work in dungeons or raids? |
| 15:21.19 | Kraftman | nope |
| 15:21.27 | airtonix | thought so |
| 15:21.47 | Osstia | does it now with the new dungeon maps? |
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| 15:39.30 | Zamoria | chuckles http://punditkitchen.com/2009/05/09/political-pictures-celebrity-gynecology/ |
| 15:40.48 | jnwhiteh | ckknight: cart3 support was released today in LightHeaded |
| 15:41.00 | ckknight | hurray! |
| 15:41.11 | Zamoria | woot |
| 15:41.15 | Zamoria | updates |
| 15:41.41 | Industrial | Anyone know if I can do mass auctions with AuctionLite ? |
| 15:42.17 | jnwhiteh | whatdya mean mass auctions? |
| 15:42.24 | jnwhiteh | if you mean batch posting (i.e. queuing and them posting) no |
| 15:42.31 | jnwhiteh | but i've not once missed that |
| 15:42.56 | Industrial | o_O I have 33 stacks fo borean leather to sell |
| 15:43.18 | jnwhiteh | .. that's not what I described |
| 15:43.20 | jnwhiteh | that is trivial |
| 15:43.23 | Industrial | hell, I have full bags, bank and mailbox and i need to sell it |
| 15:43.29 | jnwhiteh | just download it and use it |
| 15:43.30 | jnwhiteh | and quit bitching |
| 15:43.34 | jnwhiteh | it works amazingly well |
| 15:43.35 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:43.40 | Industrial | I'm using it, how do I sell all my stacks at one time |
| 15:43.44 | jnwhiteh | there are two boxes |
| 15:43.47 | jnwhiteh | x stacks of y |
| 15:43.49 | jnwhiteh | fill it out |
| 15:43.56 | Industrial | ah. ty |
| 15:44.36 | Industrial | yes! i love it now ;p |
| 15:44.40 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 15:44.43 | jnwhiteh | how did you miss that? : |
| 15:44.45 | jnwhiteh | nublet |
| 15:45.02 | Industrial | :< |
| 15:48.26 | Industrial | imma providin fo ma mainz |
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| 15:52.52 | foxlit | [["Assuming your UI is not broken AND NOT spewing up red errors then you can afford not to update for a while" .]] This affront to my release schedules was sticked :( |
| 15:52.56 | foxlit | ^i |
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| 15:58.19 | Industrial | thinks os specific desktop applications should be a thing of the past, except for when they have no application (!) on other OSes :D/ |
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| 16:01.16 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:01.36 | mikma | gas |
| 16:01.37 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 16:01.54 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | Bunnehs are needed, WM is sending people to ask for open source addons again... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267249&sid=1 |
| 16:05.25 | ckknight | BUNNEH |
| 16:06.06 | nicoli_s | i need to reactivate my wow acct so i can forum post |
| 16:06.39 | Lunessa | I will hug him and squeeze him and call him "George." |
| 16:06.52 | Osstia | With all due respect... OP doesn't get it on so many levels it boggles the mind. |
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| 16:07.19 | Industrial | "In some cases (WoWI), there simply are no reasonable options, and individual mods must be hand-downloaded." - What's wrong with downloading addons manually? |
| 16:07.23 | Industrial | it has worked for me for years |
| 16:07.31 | nicoli_s | he's just trying to wrap up the "make addons free so wowmatrix can use them" into something else |
| 16:07.35 | Industrial | just download the new version when it pops up in your favorites rss feed, voila |
| 16:07.58 | Osstia | Industrial: amen to that. how hard is it to use a zip tool |
| 16:07.58 | foxlit | Except for now it's "make addons freely accessible so anyone can use them" |
| 16:08.16 | Industrial | they are, just download the zip foxlit :p |
| 16:08.32 | Osstia | other than wowi and curse gettinghammered on patch days i have *never* had any issues using them |
| 16:08.32 | Lopeppeppy | We've seen this exact same argument at least once before from a WM shill. There's no reason to believe this isn't another one. |
| 16:08.34 | foxlit | And, frankly, "zomg wowmatrix troll!" is a response that is fundamentally lazy. |
| 16:09.35 | Lopeppeppy | But essentially true, foxlit |
| 16:11.52 | Industrial | jnwhiteh: oh damn the mass buyout is even better |
| 16:11.58 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 16:12.10 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 16:16.27 | Lunessa | I find his arguments very "Richard Stallman" and very "hacker ethic" - you know, "information seeks to be free." |
| 16:16.50 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree in theory |
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| 16:17.44 | Lunessa | I don't either - but he's also very Che in that he wants to defy the existing 'order' which he pretends is somehow evil. |
| 16:18.14 | nicoli_s | oh but we is evil, we are making bazillions off the addon authors |
| 16:18.19 | nicoli_s | and forcing them to use us mwahahaha |
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| 16:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, help. |
| 16:19.02 | foxlit | The proper reply is really "Hey, what are you still doing here?" |
| 16:19.09 | foxlit | "Shouldn't you be off building this thing?" |
| 16:19.26 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:19.52 | nicoli_s | the real question would be "shouldnt you be off looking for funding to pay for the infrastructure needed to support such a system?" |
| 16:19.55 | [Ammo] | any wowi admin around? Tekkub's Emporium of Random Crap is shown under oUF (Sub categories) in the upload a new addon to a category thing |
| 16:20.00 | [Ammo] | at least visually indented to be under that |
| 16:20.03 | mikma | oh hey, some random noob is starting to code new updater! lol lol lol |
| 16:20.37 | foxlit | [Ammo]: that dropdown layout is just naturally awkward |
| 16:20.45 | foxlit | Are you sure it's actually an error, or just multiple depth levels? |
| 16:20.57 | [Ammo] | it's probably not an actual error |
| 16:21.01 | [Ammo] | just a display shit |
| 16:21.08 | airtonix | isnt he trying to replicate apt-get for wow mods? |
| 16:21.09 | [Ammo] | but it looked visually to be under oUF |
| 16:21.28 | foxlit | It's not the only thing that looks out of place, really |
| 16:21.41 | [Ammo] | probably |
| 16:21.44 | [Ammo] | I just noticed that one |
| 16:21.54 | [Ammo] | and wanted to bring it to the attention of someone :) |
| 16:22.26 | foxlit | OpenRDX is a subcat of nUI |
| 16:22.38 | foxlit | Iriel is under Ace |
| 16:22.45 | [Ammo] | wonder if its a html error or not |
| 16:22.47 | [Ammo] | checkink |
| 16:23.01 | jnwhiteh | nah, probably a DB error |
| 16:23.05 | jnwhiteh | i'll let Dolby know |
| 16:23.09 | [Ammo] | not a db error |
| 16:23.11 | [Ammo] | html error :) |
| 16:23.13 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 16:23.14 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 16:23.17 | [Ammo] | check out the source |
| 16:23.39 | [Ammo] | probably the algorithm that populates the dropdown needs some adjusting :) |
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| 16:26.30 | [Ammo] | sometimes I wish I could post on US forums |
| 16:26.30 | [Ammo] | grr |
| 16:26.42 | [Ammo] | blizzard splitting the (english) speaking community apart |
| 16:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph? |
| 16:27.03 | [Ammo] | oh on the Toward a better addon infrastructure thing |
| 16:27.17 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* Those threads are giving me ulcers lately |
| 16:27.18 | [Ammo] | it's always the same authors, because the EU never gets a word in on the US forums :p |
| 16:27.34 | [Ammo] | but we have your back! :p |
| 16:27.40 | Lopeppeppy | We can't get into yours either, it goes both ways. |
| 16:27.45 | [Ammo] | ours suck anyway |
| 16:27.59 | [Ammo] | all the blue mods on there can do is forward to the US people |
| 16:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | I hear tell they are much better at moderating the asshattery |
| 16:28.11 | [Ammo] | better off getting someone from US to post a forward :) |
| 16:28.17 | [Ammo] | that's true |
| 16:28.22 | [Ammo] | because that's the only job they have :) |
| 16:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | Our signal/noise ratio is extremely low in most US forums. There's nothing good that can be found among the trash |
| 16:28.55 | [Ammo] | I wouldn't know anymore on the EU forums |
| 16:29.01 | [Ammo] | stopped visiting after all posts got ignored |
| 16:31.07 | jnwhiteh | His entire "tool" can be written as a minion module |
| 16:31.09 | jnwhiteh | problem solved |
| 16:31.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'll let him know that, if he posts back to the thread. :) |
| 16:32.54 | mikma | release the minion first, then talk about the modules! damnit! |
| 16:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | Won't. |
| 16:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | Shan't |
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| 16:35.53 | Nechckn_AFK | I just want to see what happens to his home network when he begins hosting =) |
| 16:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | He's not going to. He's suggesting sourceforge and the like. |
| 16:36.15 | Nechckn_AFK | Well, "pointing", not hosting, but still. |
| 16:37.00 | Lopeppeppy | He won't. He'll get some authors to go open source, say that the project was too much for him, and turn the list over to WM. :) |
| 16:40.40 | Industrial | Anyone know an irc channel dedicated to hunters? |
| 16:40.46 | Industrial | well I guess I could ask it here |
| 16:41.16 | Industrial | This is my talent spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#cbZceVoZe00i0cfhxdAhsd:Nfb |
| 16:41.41 | Industrial | is multishot instead of aimed shot feasible (because it gives me 3% haste extra on AotH) |
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| 16:56.26 | airtonix | Industrial, one of the dark legacy comics team is a pro hunter theory crafter |
| 16:56.49 | airtonix | krom i think |
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| 17:04.54 | Lunessa | Hello, I'm from the Evil Empire. I'm here to crush, pillage, burn, destroy and dominate. Please to be having nice day. |
| 17:05.54 | foxlit | evil has an empire? |
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| 17:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | Evil has many |
| 17:07.33 | Zamoria | pokes the still-offline realms that aren't on the extended maintenance list... |
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| 17:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | has a Nikon D60 to play with, yum. |
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| 17:30.29 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.52 | Lunessa | Bah! "What's wrong?â I yelled. âWe canât stop here. This is bat country!" |
| 17:31.14 | nicoli_s | why do people keep quoting that? |
| 17:31.41 | Lunessa | Because "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" is an epic novel. |
| 17:31.50 | mikma | ttp://kuvaton.com/bshit/wat.jpg |
| 17:31.54 | nevcairiel | I hated it |
| 17:31.56 | nicoli_s | indeed it is, i forgot that is in that book/movie |
| 17:32.04 | nicoli_s | i thought you were quopting that one horrible song |
| 17:32.07 | mikma | i watched the moves 2 days ago, again! |
| 17:32.08 | nicoli_s | i forget what band |
| 17:32.19 | mikma | movie* |
| 17:33.38 | mikma | i downloaded the divx, remembered how good the movie is when i watched it, and bought the dvd couple of days from that point, hehe |
| 17:34.15 | Lunessa | I think Hunter S. Thompson was bat-shit crazy, nutso. But he wrote some amazing things. And I heard him a few times on NPR. He was a formidable man, no matter how much I disagreed with him. I still respected his accomplishments and his art. |
| 17:34.48 | nicoli_s | most good authors are |
| 17:34.48 | Nechckn_AFK | So... has anyone seen the new Star Trek? Opinion? |
| 17:34.52 | nicoli_s | like phillip k dick |
| 17:35.05 | Lunessa | I saw it Nechckn_AFK - It's worth watching. |
| 17:35.06 | nicoli_s | he was one of the best and craziest science fiction writers from the 60s/70s |
| 17:35.08 | Nechckn_AFK | Sorry, don't mean to tread on the book talk |
| 17:35.12 | Lunessa | phillip K dick was one. |
| 17:35.21 | Lopeppeppy | Nechckn_AFK, I liked it. |
| 17:35.46 | Lunessa | "I am, and always will be, your friend." - I got misty. |
| 17:35.53 | Zamoria | Nechckn_AFK: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/ imo |
| 17:36.05 | Nechckn_AFK | Real question is- wait for dvd/cable channel release or venture out now? |
| 17:36.22 | Zamoria | depends on the size of your TV and sound system ;) |
| 17:36.33 | Lunessa | I went to a matinee on a Saturday morning. It was good to see on a giant screen. |
| 17:36.37 | durcyn | userfriendly summed it up perfectly: "Working Title - Star Trek: Without Rick Berman" |
| 17:36.42 | durcyn | and it's worth seeing in theaters |
| 17:37.10 | Lopeppeppy | Big screen, seriously |
| 17:37.15 | Nechckn_AFK | cool, cool- thanks all! I sort of figured that, but.. you know. =) |
| 17:38.14 | Nechckn_AFK | durcyn lol, that is awesome. as to the rottentomatoes thing, I've never seen that, will have to add it to the bookmarks |
| 17:38.35 | nicoli_s | rottentomatoes rocks |
| 17:38.45 | durcyn | bring back rottentomatoes iphone app :( |
| 17:38.51 | nicoli_s | their weekly ketchup is great to find new movie news |
| 17:39.03 | Lunessa | Rick Berman - shiny happy Star Trek with Borg and Q. Gene Rodenberry - Wagon-Train to the Stars. New Movie - Action spectacular carefully woven to appeal to both sets of fans. |
| 17:40.48 | Zamoria | points out that Q was in the pilot of TNG, created by Rodenberry |
| 17:40.53 | Zamoria | :P |
| 17:41.03 | durcyn | as were the borg |
| 17:41.06 | Zamoria | no |
| 17:41.20 | Zamoria | q did send them to the borg but that was season 3 iirc |
| 17:41.33 | durcyn | yep, go watch it again. Q sent them from farpoint station to a borg cube in the pilot. |
| 17:41.57 | Zamoria | no u? |
| 17:42.26 | Zamoria | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)#The_Next_Generation |
| 17:42.45 | Zamoria | season 2 |
| 17:45.49 | Zamoria | I probably watched all of season 1 at least 15 times when it was on laserdisc and I own the entire series on dvd now :P |
| 17:47.31 | Lunessa | Just saying, there was a distinct difference in the feel of the two. |
| 17:47.56 | Arrowmaster | i think ds9 was my favorite |
| 17:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | Kira. |
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| 17:49.02 | Nechckn_AFK | I like all of them, for their unique aspects... have even taken to the most recent, though not as much as the others. |
| 17:49.14 | Zamoria | ^ |
| 17:49.23 | cncfanatics | o/ hello all |
| 17:49.40 | Zamoria | \o |
| 17:50.08 | Arrowmaster | i never even watched the last half of voyager |
| 17:51.49 | Lopeppeppy | V-ger |
| 17:52.37 | Zamoria | i stopped watching it around season 4 but mostly for lack of time and DVR technology... now i'm trying to catch up with netflix |
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| 17:56.26 | dardack | looking for help with some oUF programming |
| 17:57.39 | Zamoria | ~asktoask |
| 17:57.40 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 17:58.07 | Zamoria | not /quite/ the same but yeah... |
| 17:59.13 | dardack | oh ok |
| 17:59.28 | Zamoria | http://www.office2010themovie.com/ <-- lolwut? |
| 17:59.58 | dardack | can anyone tell me why this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113989 put into the elements/status.lua doesn't work? it only fires on Player_Enter_world event, not firing on /afk/dnd commands |
| 18:00.02 | durcyn | "GET MICROSOFT SILVERLIGHT". oh. |
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| 18:00.16 | Zamoria | durcyn: even lolwut-er... |
| 18:00.37 | Lunessa | ... I lawled - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904209149&sid=1 |
| 18:01.16 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: refresh |
| 18:01.23 | Arrowmaster | i was typing a reply as you linked that |
| 18:01.36 | Lunessa | I just did. I lawled even harder. My office mate thinks I'm insane. |
| 18:03.34 | dardack | arrowmaster: nice reply |
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| 18:05.38 | Arrowmaster | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cartographer.aspx |
| 18:05.58 | Arrowmaster | read the comments |
| 18:06.57 | nicoli_s | haha awesome |
| 18:07.01 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Thanks for linking my vista thread. :) |
| 18:07.05 | End | hrm |
| 18:07.10 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 18:07.18 | dardack | arrow: awesome, i like your attitude |
| 18:07.43 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: oh in the description? |
| 18:07.50 | Lunessa | Yes. :D |
| 18:08.06 | Arrowmaster | wasnt me, was one of the two douchebags that didnt want to let cartographer die after 3.0 |
| 18:08.33 | Fisker- | why would using the calendar require hardware events ;_; |
| 18:08.42 | dardack | wait you want cart to die? |
| 18:08.54 | p3lim | An inherit in CreateFrame, can that also be added with :SetAttribute() ? |
| 18:09.04 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: because it can be used to export data out of the game via the armory |
| 18:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | Which is what that person was obviously wanting to do. :) |
| 18:09.27 | p3lim | (its the fourth argument of CreateFrame) |
| 18:09.34 | foxlit | p3lim: sense, you, make, not, it. |
| 18:09.47 | p3lim | now im confused |
| 18:09.48 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: no, you inherit a template on creation or not at all |
| 18:10.08 | p3lim | I want to add another template to an already existing frame |
| 18:10.08 | Fisker- | talk about overreacting |
| 18:10.16 | Arrowmaster | dardack: at the time i did, now im on the fense since it makes me money |
| 18:10.20 | foxlit | Depending on the template, you can't. |
| 18:10.34 | p3lim | AnimatedShineTemplate |
| 18:10.35 | foxlit | if all that template is doing is setting attributes, then you can just set attributes. |
| 18:10.43 | foxlit | But there's no "hey, let's add this template to this frame now" magic. |
| 18:10.46 | Fisker- | oh and you could just do it in reverse Arrowmaster |
| 18:11.24 | foxlit | (I'm confused as to how you made the link between inheritance and :SetAttribute.) |
| 18:11.45 | dardack | arrow: oic, i've been using it for a long time, but with having to disable the instance part of it, and updates by blizz to the ingame maps, been thinking about dropping it |
| 18:12.20 | dardack | anyone know why this doesn't seem to register in status.lua in oUF self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED", Update) do I have to register the event somewhere else in oUF? |
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| 18:16.23 | dardack | arrow: that dude responded to your post |
| 18:16.35 | Zamoria | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/05/11/the-world-outside-of-world-of-warcraft-is-now-superfluous/ |
| 18:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | Only when the cube is stocked with the right foods. |
| 18:20.00 | Zamoria | http://skepchick.org/blog/?p=7277 |
| 18:20.09 | Zamoria | ^ kittehs inside |
| 18:22.09 | nicoli_s | that person names kitties like i dom vert strangely |
| 18:22.47 | Zamoria | parse error... |
| 18:24.02 | airtonix | lua> curl url |
| 18:24.03 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'url' |
| 18:24.40 | airtonix | whats the lua equivilant to perls : my $pageCont = get($rssPage); |
| 18:25.19 | Arrowmaster | luasocket and do it yourself |
| 18:25.27 | Grum | airtonix: nothing without libraries |
| 18:25.56 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, luasocket isnt part of lua core? |
| 18:26.01 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:26.04 | airtonix | ok |
| 18:26.35 | Zamoria | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 18:26.39 | Arrowmaster | remember lua is unlike many other programming languages, one of its main design goals is that its used in many small embedded systems |
| 18:26.54 | Grum | airtonix: why use lua if you can use perl? ;) |
| 18:27.00 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnakc |
| 18:27.03 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 18:27.03 | purl | Lopeppeppy: aw, gee |
| 18:27.09 | Lopeppeppy | Works better when I spell it right. |
| 18:27.12 | airtonix | Grum, exercise |
| 18:27.23 | Grum | then make an addon |
| 18:27.29 | foxlit | "why use lua" << heretic! |
| 18:27.31 | Industrial | makes a cross sign towards grum |
| 18:27.31 | Grum | making silly fetchscripts is meh |
| 18:27.33 | airtonix | wow servers down |
| 18:27.48 | Grum | cross sign because of perl? perl > * |
| 18:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix, it is Tuesday of extended maintenance... |
| 18:28.22 | dardack | actually a lot are up |
| 18:28.25 | Lunessa | because not everyone likes perl. |
| 18:28.31 | dardack | just mine is on the list to upgrade hardware or w/e |
| 18:28.40 | Grum | Lunessa: you dont have to, but it is still best! |
| 18:28.46 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy, i was stating why i wasnt logged into wow and coding addons |
| 18:29.13 | Lopeppeppy | Confusion for the lose. |
| 18:29.25 | Lunessa | Grum: I'm an old perl hacker. I still heart CHOMP. But it's not good for everything. |
| 18:29.31 | airtonix | back to watching 'black books' |
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| 18:30.22 | airtonix | i'm creating a table of rss feeds to bring into conky on my desktop |
| 18:30.42 | Grum | Lunessa: chomp is fail |
| 18:30.43 | airtonix | the buglist and feature request of my addon(s) on wowinterface being one of them |
| 18:30.48 | Grum | but it is good for almots everything ;) |
| 18:31.01 | Lopeppeppy | chomps Lunessa. |
| 18:31.10 | dardack | conky as in linux conky? |
| 18:31.15 | Grum | you cant nicely use chomp in a map ;( |
| 18:31.21 | airtonix | dardack, yes |
| 18:31.27 | dardack | nice fellow linux user myself |
| 18:31.28 | Grum | map { chomp; $_ } sucks :P |
| 18:31.34 | foxlit | Perl: "You separate the bullet from the gun with a hyperoptimized regexp, and then you transport it to your foot using several typeglobs. However, the program fails to run and you can't correct it since you don't understand what the hell it is you've written." |
| 18:31.42 | Lunessa | mmmmm... peppy-chomps. |
| 18:31.42 | Zamoria | :'( movie trailers just aren't the same without Don LaFontaine |
| 18:32.00 | Grum | foxlit: right |
| 18:32.17 | dardack | airtonix: what are you using for your lua development? |
| 18:32.24 | airtonix | gedit |
| 18:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | bored, bored, bored |
| 18:33.20 | Lunessa | Whatever, CHOMP was very useful in '97 when I was cleaning up arbitrary user-input. :) |
| 18:33.22 | dardack | have you tried scite? |
| 18:33.47 | foxlit | Python: "You shoot yourself in the foot and then brag for hours about how much more elegantly you did it than if you had been using C or (God forbid) Perl." |
| 18:33.57 | Grum | Lunessa: it should not return the chomped value though ;) |
| 18:34.27 | Grum | foxlit: you can code beautiful perl, the fact that most cant says more about 'the most' than anything else :D |
| 18:34.27 | Lunessa | Grum: *shrug* Don't care much now, since I haven't written anything in Perl since 2000. |
| 18:35.02 | airtonix | dardack, yes. |
| 18:35.10 | foxlit | Objective-C: "You write a protocol for shooting yourself in the foot so that all people can get shot in their feet." |
| 18:35.22 | airtonix | dardack, i switch between geany and gedit dending on my mood |
| 18:35.25 | dardack | airtonix: so you like gedit over scite? interesting i might have to check it out |
| 18:35.41 | foxlit | Grum: I'm really just having too much fun with shoot-self-in-foot jokes. |
| 18:35.45 | airtonix | dardack, gedit has all the plugins i need |
| 18:36.11 | dardack | airtonix: plugins? and geany, checking out their page now |
| 18:36.49 | airtonix | dardack, http://live.gnome.org/Gedit/Plugins |
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| 18:37.29 | dardack | airtonix: what plugins are you regularly using for development of addons? |
| 18:38.22 | dardack | i don't have time to create my own anymore, but i do like to edit the some of the ones I have to offer more functionility, so just been using scite but it can lack some things |
| 18:38.59 | Arrowmaster | fail |
| 18:39.08 | Arrowmaster | 'End of line' is a 3rd party plugin? |
| 18:39.09 | airtonix | dardack, main ones i use are : File Browser, Snippets, Tag list, New from Template, Symbol Browser, Word completion |
| 18:39.41 | airtonix | might be Function browser ins tead of symbol browser |
| 18:40.02 | airtonix | gedit-markdown interests me |
| 18:40.09 | dardack | airtonix: word completion does sound nice |
| 18:40.15 | Arrowmaster | 'Save without trailing space' fail |
| 18:40.23 | Arrowmaster | another scite builtin |
| 18:40.45 | dardack | aorrw you use scite? |
| 18:41.00 | dardack | wow that was fail on my part |
| 18:41.01 | Grum | idefail :( |
| 18:41.19 | Arrowmaster | dardack: i do |
| 18:41.33 | Arrowmaster | 1.76 |
| 18:41.41 | Arrowmaster | 1.77 was unusable for me |
| 18:41.41 | dardack | yea i think that's the version i'm using |
| 18:42.02 | dardack | i just wish i could get this afk status notification to work |
| 18:42.20 | Arrowmaster | something in the lexer changed and made it lockup on files with really long lines like my own itemprice-1.1 library |
| 18:42.48 | dardack | isn't 1.78 out, wonder if they fixed it |
| 18:43.06 | airtonix | hah youtube has a 'turn down the lights' feature....dims the whole page |
| 18:43.13 | dardack | i used to use that, but then i just have auctioneer that can tie in prices |
| 18:43.20 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. I think they copied that from Hulu, airtonix. |
| 18:43.28 | dardack | they did |
| 18:43.55 | dardack | and hulu prolly took it from someone else |
| 18:44.31 | airtonix | pity i can't wathchulu here in australia |
| 18:44.55 | dardack | or the bbc one huh? |
| 18:45.01 | dardack | wish i could watch the bbc one |
| 18:45.07 | airtonix | zuh? |
| 18:45.16 | airtonix | havnet tired yet |
| 18:45.18 | airtonix | tried* |
| 18:45.20 | dardack | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ |
| 18:45.30 | dardack | oh they filter like hulu does |
| 18:45.49 | dardack | u'd have to spoof your ip to be american for hulu or uk for iplayer |
| 18:46.16 | dardack | for hulu they should just get international adds and offer the content to rest of world |
| 18:46.42 | dardack | bbc i understand, each UK person with a tv pays a tv tax that funds the bbc |
| 18:46.57 | airtonix | i know why bbc don't allow forieng viewing |
| 18:47.01 | airtonix | fail |
| 18:47.05 | Arrowmaster | dardack: 1.78 isnt locking up on my file with the default settings, time to copy my config over and try |
| 18:47.29 | dardack | arrow: nice i think when i said i was using 1.76 i meant 1.78, so far it's been nice |
| 18:47.36 | dardack | what config options are you using? |
| 18:47.43 | Arrowmaster | umm |
| 18:47.54 | Arrowmaster | too many to remember |
| 18:48.26 | dardack | wow, even from default? i don't know if i use any special stuff |
| 18:50.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah just diffed my SciTEGlobal.properties |
| 18:50.39 | Arrowmaster | quite a bit of changes |
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| 18:51.48 | dardack | interesting |
| 18:52.15 | dardack | btw i'm just clarifying at this point there is no way to get a custom cursor in the game since 3.1? |
| 18:52.33 | Lopeppeppy | Not currently, dardack. |
| 18:52.38 | dardack | i hate blizz |
| 18:52.47 | dardack | is that on purpose anyone know? |
| 18:52.57 | airtonix | zones b through k, unspecified stains...ceiling exhibit X is covered in...beans |
| 18:53.07 | airtonix | i am ze cleaner |
| 18:53.20 | Lopeppeppy | There's been no comment in the threads on the UI forum yet, dardakc |
| 18:54.18 | dardack | sigh |
| 18:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | Post in the bug forum |
| 18:54.38 | dardack | i have |
| 18:54.45 | airtonix | post again |
| 18:54.46 | dardack | no response from a blue for like since the patch |
| 18:54.50 | dardack | i bump it every day |
| 18:55.07 | dardack | i just want confirmation that either working as intended or it is a bug |
| 18:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | That's really the best you can do to get it brought to someone's attention then. |
| 18:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | Test it on the PTR, see if it's changed. |
| 18:55.48 | dardack | will when i get home, since i use OpenGL and the cursor is software, i hide the blizz cursor so it's nto lagged behind the actual cursor |
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| 18:57.30 | dardack | sigh this oUF status.lua is frustrating me |
| 18:58.31 | airtonix | whats wrong? |
| 18:58.50 | dardack | it doesn't seem to register hang on i have a patsey |
| 18:58.56 | airtonix | and are you using an nvidia card? |
| 18:59.24 | dardack | now i'm confused |
| 19:00.18 | haste | dardack: I am here also you know :) |
| 19:00.30 | dardack | oh i posted awhile ago haste |
| 19:00.37 | dardack | didn't want to PM you without permission |
| 19:01.02 | dardack | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113989 i added to status.lua to add a small white dot to my player frame when i'm afk |
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| 19:01.10 | dardack | but it only seems to register on player enter world |
| 19:01.16 | dardack | it doesn't pick up /afk /dnd |
| 19:01.39 | dardack | if you want i can post what's in the edited layout to add this dot |
| 19:03.14 | haste | dardack: you shouldn't really modify status.lua tho' |
| 19:03.37 | dardack | oh |
| 19:04.03 | dardack | your saying write a plugin? |
| 19:04.28 | airtonix | no |
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| 19:04.59 | dardack | airtonix: yes i use nvidia, but if you modify wine you can have the linux cursor be used in wine programs and if you do, you'll see the software cursor is always slightly lagged behind, so I like having a "hardware" cursor in WoW but now I have 2 cursors since I can't hide blizz's anymore |
| 19:05.37 | haste | dardack: that, or add it in your layout directly |
| 19:05.43 | airtonix | dardack, does that mean you can push-to-talk in vent? |
| 19:05.43 | haste | dardack: and how doesn't it work? |
| 19:05.52 | dardack | oh i can push to talk |
| 19:06.01 | dardack | haste: the code i posted? |
| 19:06.26 | dardack | airtonix: i also use ventrilocntrl program to push to talk when i'm in any program in linux |
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| 19:08.17 | dardack | haste: if you mean the code i posted, in my layout i define in the setstyle function, self.afk, if I remove the code i posted from status.lua and leave in the self.afk code in my layout, the dot shows, however, i tested the update function in status.lua and it only is fired on PLAYER_ENTER_WORLD, if i /afk no event is fired |
| 19:08.44 | Shirik | oh my life |
| 19:08.51 | Shirik | a school-wide email just went out |
| 19:08.58 | Shirik | EVERY address in the "To" header |
| 19:09.09 | Shirik | the length of the "To" header is longer than the message |
| 19:09.09 | airtonix | muwahahaha |
| 19:09.12 | kd3 | ouch |
| 19:09.21 | Grum | just do: 'replay to all' YOU ARE SO STUPID FOOLS NEVER HEARD OF BCC!?!?!?!? |
| 19:09.43 | Shirik | I thought of it, but I'm not mean. But I am going to reply telling him to never do that again |
| 19:09.46 | Shirik | He's not in my department, what do I care |
| 19:09.48 | dardack | however, in my layout if I register PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED and do a print(event) it correctly fires there, but I don't know how to add an afk status without being able to call self from the setstyle |
| 19:10.10 | Shirik | wtf this email was even sent to people who graduate |
| 19:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, Shirik. |
| 19:11.31 | Shirik | What I REALLY don't get is why he didn't send it through the school's bulk mail system |
| 19:11.34 | airtonix | dardack, if its worth anything i use the tag system for afk |
| 19:11.39 | Shirik | we have an "announcement" box that people use all the time |
| 19:11.39 | haste | dardack: why would you want a AFK dot on your player frame tho'? |
| 19:11.40 | Kirov | BBC, big boobed chick? |
| 19:11.43 | Shirik | but he decided to send it himself |
| 19:12.01 | Lopeppeppy | It probably wouldnt' have been approved for the announcement list? |
| 19:12.06 | dardack | haste: well i was hoping to get it working on my frame and than move on to party frames |
| 19:12.09 | Hirsute | Shirik: Some people should have their email privileges revoked. |
| 19:12.15 | dardack | airtonix: sorry tag system? |
| 19:12.16 | Shirik | On another equally stupid note |
| 19:12.27 | haste | dardack: in ulduar atm, so kinda slow to reply btw |
| 19:12.29 | Shirik | There was a post recently to SecurityFocus (security tracker email list |
| 19:12.48 | dardack | haste: no worries at least your server is up, my ulduar is tonight, and appreciate the help |
| 19:12.50 | Shirik | "Insufficient Authentication Vulnerability" - I said to myself 'this could be interesting' |
| 19:13.18 | Arrowmaster | dardack: i copied my settings over to 1.78 and made it crash |
| 19:13.45 | Shirik | I want to warn you about vulnerability in Acer notebooks. ...In Windows XP Home in default administrator's account is empty password. And it does not set equal to password of first admin, when admin account is creating during first start of notebook |
| 19:13.52 | dardack | arrowmaster: ouch, there maybe something in your settings from 1.76 that doesn't fly for 1.77 and beyond, you might be stuck always using 1.76 or figuring it out to move on |
| 19:14.02 | Shirik | So with physical access to notebook, anybody can enter into the system with administrator's rights. |
| 19:14.07 | airtonix | dardack, http://github.com/airtonix/ouf_smeegrid/blob/81ac2f6548dab63191882d1e4b97dff9e772b2b8/oUF_SmeeGrid.lua#L241 |
| 19:14.12 | Shirik | ^ That's a good way to show how stupid you are :P |
| 19:14.42 | durcyn | Shirik: if the firewall's not on by default you can have fun with RPC... but i'm guessing it is |
| 19:14.55 | dardack | airtonix: the self.health area? |
| 19:15.02 | Shirik | it is sadly, but that's not the point. It's not a vulnerability, I have no idea wtf he's talking about |
| 19:15.09 | airtonix | it where my raidhp tag gets applied |
| 19:15.10 | Shirik | it's a design decision |
| 19:15.19 | airtonix | and the tag logic is here : http://github.com/airtonix/ouf_tags/blob/9727fe08899a4a70de7351839280dde1977b01a4/oUF_Tags.lua#L59 |
| 19:15.28 | Shirik | As someone else so gracefully put it |
| 19:15.34 | Shirik | "Seat belts are useless if people prefer riding on the roof." |
| 19:15.51 | Arrowmaster | dardack: oh i found it |
| 19:15.55 | Fisker- | what's the matter with that logic? |
| 19:15.58 | dardack | aorrow: nice |
| 19:16.12 | dardack | airtonix: i like that, how does it look? |
| 19:16.49 | airtonix | dardack, http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24598.jpg |
| 19:16.58 | airtonix | name changes to afk if they are afk |
| 19:17.03 | Shirik | http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/503398/30/0/threaded |
| 19:17.05 | Arrowmaster | dardack: disabled properties.directory.enable and it worked |
| 19:17.12 | airtonix | dardack, sqaure boxes in the middle |
| 19:17.14 | dardack | arrow: awesome |
| 19:17.34 | dardack | airtonix: i see, i've beenediting caellin's layout, i liked it alot, just wanted to make some modifications, like what you ahve there |
| 19:18.12 | airtonix | my layout is a mutant, not really for those who want to experiment with editing layouts |
| 19:18.48 | dardack | yea i'm jsut trying to figure out how to do the afk, the - health amount |
| 19:19.59 | Lunessa | airtonix: That's not a mutant, that's an abomination. :P |
| 19:20.04 | airtonix | i'm using tag system because i'm too lazy to do it the traditional way( which i know is better for cpu) |
| 19:20.07 | Arrowmaster | dardack: its a major deal breaker though, i renabled properties.directory.enable=1 and then went into my SciTEDirectory.properties i have in my wow dir and removed code.page=65001 |
| 19:20.18 | Arrowmaster | dardack: i cant use scite without code.page=65001 for wow addons |
| 19:20.28 | dardack | arrow: what is that? |
| 19:20.36 | Arrowmaster | set default codepage to utf8 |
| 19:20.51 | dardack | what's the default default codepage? |
| 19:20.59 | Arrowmaster | so it will treat files without a utf8 bom as utf8 |
| 19:21.11 | dardack | hmmm |
| 19:21.19 | dardack | it crashes if you change this? |
| 19:21.35 | dardack | airtonix: yea i've noticed like a 20-30 fps increase from xperl to ouf |
| 19:21.38 | haste | dardack: I don't see any issues with the code at least |
| 19:21.42 | Arrowmaster | if i change it and scroll down to this one line in my library yes |
| 19:21.47 | dardack | so i'm trying to be less cpu intensive as possible |
| 19:21.57 | dardack | haste: that's what i'm saying |
| 19:22.02 | dardack | it's so strange that it doesn't work |
| 19:22.06 | Arrowmaster | dardack: www.wowace.com/projects/itemprice-1-1 |
| 19:22.20 | Arrowmaster | really long line of text |
| 19:22.30 | dardack | arrow: why not just hook into auctioneer data? |
| 19:22.51 | Arrowmaster | auctioneer was using that library at one point i think |
| 19:23.06 | dardack | maybe but i think they provide their own hooks now to their data |
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| 19:23.14 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 19:23.29 | Arrowmaster | but auctioneer is too big for what that library does |
| 19:23.33 | dardack | i used to write a garbage addon, that kept track of price data |
| 19:23.42 | dardack | for dropping, kinda like garbagefu |
| 19:23.58 | dardack | but once auctioneer allowed hooking, and garbagefu used it i stopped |
| 19:24.03 | dardack | true |
| 19:24.07 | Arrowmaster | lua> 46379 * 4 |
| 19:24.07 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 185516 |
| 19:24.50 | Arrowmaster | thats how long the string is once the escaped characters are converted |
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| 19:24.59 | Nechckn_AFK | Informant is one of the sub-addons in Auctioneer Suite and provides static, vendor item data |
| 19:25.37 | Arrowmaster | right but its not a library |
| 19:25.38 | dardack | so i guess you could just enable informant/stubby to keep down the hugeness |
| 19:25.51 | Nechckn_AFK | dardack you can, yes |
| 19:25.56 | dardack | well you can hook into it so isn't it like a library |
| 19:25.58 | Arrowmaster | still too large for the addons that use itemprice-1.1 |
| 19:27.01 | Nechckn_AFK | http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl/#release package at the bottom of the page |
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| 19:27.23 | Nechckn_AFK | But, sure, it may not be right for some- if they use Aucitoneer already, or whatever, it's an option, at least. |
| 19:27.50 | Arrowmaster | does auctioneer provide GetSellValue()? |
| 19:28.20 | dardack | airtonix: i'm looking over the tags you have, so after the self.health calls i can then call self:tag (in the layout he/she doesn't use .text but self.Health.value = SetFontString(self.Health, font,(unit == 'player' or unit == 'target') and 11 or 9), so could i call self:tag(self.health.value, "[raidhp]")? |
| 19:29.19 | airtonix | dardack, thats the idea, you need to have the raidh tag and events in your layout first though |
| 19:29.21 | Nechckn_AFK | GetPrice and a bit more via the extensions |
| 19:29.25 | airtonix | raidhp* |
| 19:29.32 | Nechckn_AFK | http://wiki.norganna.org/Auctioneer/5.0/Modules_API for more |
| 19:29.51 | dardack | yea i thought auctioneer offered an API |
| 19:30.05 | Arrowmaster | i mean the http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSellValue specifically |
| 19:30.07 | airtonix | dardack, take note though, that im using utf8sub in there too |
| 19:30.10 | dardack | airtonix: raidh tag? |
| 19:30.14 | Nechckn_AFK | The GetPDF is really good for pricing |
| 19:30.18 | airtonix | dardack, raidhp* |
| 19:30.23 | Nechckn_AFK | Arrowmaster I know what you mean |
| 19:30.35 | Arrowmaster | it seems it does since its listed on that page |
| 19:30.43 | dardack | airtonix: how would I tell? |
| 19:30.48 | airtonix | dardack, http://github.com/airtonix/ouf_tags/blob/9727fe08899a4a70de7351839280dde1977b01a4/oUF_Tags.lua#L59-81 |
| 19:30.57 | Arrowmaster | so yes if the user has auctioneer then it would get used by most addons that use itemprice-1.1 |
| 19:31.07 | Arrowmaster | but its still too large for default usage |
| 19:31.12 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: If you just want something that does GetSellValue and database it, SellFish does. |
| 19:31.20 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: ........ |
| 19:31.33 | mikma | First Cassie yesterday, now nude Rihanna photos have hit the web. They mysteriously popped up online within the hour, and I'll just say what we're all thinking. Thanks, Chris Brown! |
| 19:31.37 | mikma | haha |
| 19:31.37 | Lunessa | Sorry, I'm late to the conversation, no? |
| 19:31.41 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: SellFish embeds my ItemPrice-1.1 |
| 19:31.41 | dardack | arrow is talking about hsi own database |
| 19:31.50 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: /facepalm |
| 19:31.56 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: majorly |
| 19:32.10 | airtonix | dardack, utf8lib is here : http://github.com/airtonix/ouf_tags/blob/9727fe08899a4a70de7351839280dde1977b01a4/utf8.lua |
| 19:32.11 | Lunessa | wasn't paying enough attention |
| 19:32.12 | dardack | i was just pointing out why do dublicate work when auctioneer offers an API for this functionality, but he pointed out itemprice is smaller |
| 19:32.35 | Arrowmaster | much much smaller |
| 19:32.43 | dardack | airtonix: do i have to include that in my toc file? |
| 19:33.06 | Lunessa | mikma: Are those the one she's claiming are a) some taken while she was changing between shoots, or b) 'shopped? |
| 19:33.15 | airtonix | dardack, if you want names like Smeë to show up properly yes |
| 19:33.29 | airtonix | umlats etc |
| 19:33.38 | dardack | yea my name |
| 19:33.39 | dardack | heh |
| 19:34.04 | airtonix | dardack, that raidhp tag truncats the string to 4 char |
| 19:34.21 | mikma | lunessa: http://thesuperficial.com/2009/05/rihanna_nude_photos_leaked_onl.php (sensured, clicking pictures to NSFW versions) |
| 19:34.31 | mikma | sensored* |
| 19:34.33 | dardack | you know once you graduate with a CS degree go back get an accounting degree, do that for awhile than become a forensic investigator, your programming skills are crap |
| 19:34.55 | dardack | airtonix; thanks for helping me with this, the current layout does truncate names already |
| 19:35.20 | Lunessa | mikma: the word is censored. |
| 19:35.30 | mikma | lunessa: omg, thanks |
| 19:35.52 | airtonix | dardack, did you check the wowinterface forums for ouf? tekkub put together a awesome abbreviator tag |
| 19:35.57 | dardack | airtonix; does it matter where i put the raidhp function? |
| 19:36.06 | dardack | yea ritonix i posted about this issue |
| 19:36.15 | airtonix | dardack, before your layout func |
| 19:36.23 | dardack | the setstyle? |
| 19:36.48 | airtonix | the function that you specify untiframe stuff |
| 19:36.51 | Kirov | I used to have a russian raid leader who used to say "SEIZURE FIRE" |
| 19:37.12 | dardack | like self.health self.combat etc? |
| 19:37.18 | airtonix | dardack, ja |
| 19:37.19 | Lunessa | I'm not giving out any more help today - apparently my brain is on vacation. |
| 19:37.23 | Kirov | We were sad one someone corrected him. |
| 19:37.32 | dardack | airtonix: btw is your code free to use for personal use? |
| 19:37.39 | airtonix | sure |
| 19:37.46 | dardack | i mean i know you posted it to me but i don't want to jsut use it without permission |
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| 19:38.22 | dardack | now the ouf_tags.lua is that a plugin? |
| 19:38.25 | dardack | or that written by you? |
| 19:38.37 | Arrowmaster | thats written by pastamancer |
| 19:38.43 | Arrowmaster | you are allowed to use it |
| 19:38.45 | airtonix | its mine |
| 19:39.04 | dardack | so I can take out just the functions I want? |
| 19:39.11 | pastamancer | eh, what? |
| 19:39.20 | Arrowmaster | utf8lib |
| 19:39.31 | dardack | well that's the other file |
| 19:39.32 | pastamancer | oh, yeah... that's BSD licensed |
| 19:39.40 | dardack | ok cool |
| 19:39.42 | pastamancer | grab it from my svn |
| 19:39.51 | pastamancer | http://grid.13th-floor.org/svn/trunk/UTF8/ |
| 19:40.24 | Torhal | mikma: ping |
| 19:41.23 | mikma | torhal: hai! saw the link, haven't tried it yet =) |
| 19:41.30 | Torhal | mikma: :P |
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| 19:41.34 | dardack | thanks pastamancer |
| 19:41.46 | mikma | torhal: busy leveling and getting ganked |
| 19:42.36 | airtonix | dardack, those files i linked you are old projects, current project is this one : http://github.com/airtonix/oufsmee2/tree/master |
| 19:43.20 | airtonix | dardack, which you can find here on wowinterface : http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12876 |
| 19:43.24 | airtonix | i'm off to sleep |
| 19:43.27 | dardack | i did find your stuff thanks |
| 19:43.31 | dardack | and sleep well |
| 19:44.06 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/05/play_him_off_keyboard_cat_spid.php |
| 19:44.15 | Arrowmaster | pastamancer: btw string.upper and string.lower support utf8 characters in wow (well when i found out about this it didnt work with all cryllic characters though no clue if that got fixed) |
| 19:45.10 | pastamancer | Arrowmaster: I think that may be OS-dependent... lua just uses the stdlib toupper and tolower afaik |
| 19:45.36 | Arrowmaster | no its an actual blizzard change |
| 19:45.44 | pastamancer | I don't know of anyone that's using the utf8upper or utf8lower functions though |
| 19:45.47 | pastamancer | oh, cool |
| 19:46.43 | pastamancer | well, if the built-in ones have any problems, the ones I wrote are using the official unicode mapping tables |
| 19:59.30 | Cairenn | you guys see WM's "new author login area and other related features" ? http://www.wowmatrix.com/addon-authors.html |
| 19:59.54 | nicoli_s | man i cannot wait till 3.2 patch day |
| 19:59.59 | nicoli_s | their servers are gonna melt |
| 20:00.08 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | only if they get enough addons |
| 20:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | and even if they do, they'd be under less load that WoWI/Curse |
| 20:00.32 | ScytheBlade1 | static file serving vs. piles of database access |
| 20:00.34 | pastamancer | quick, someone upload questhelper to wm! |
| 20:00.45 | Dagmar | Make some "WowMatrix exclusive" versions of your addons that include 5.1 dolby mixdowns and high-res AVI videos |
| 20:00.47 | pastamancer | that'll melt their pipes |
| 20:00.59 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: um, our static file servers where more taxed than our webs last patch |
| 20:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: oh, really? nice |
| 20:01.23 | Kaelten | yeah the webs use a lot of heavy duty caching |
| 20:01.47 | Kaelten | I've benchmakred them at filling up a 1gige port at like 15% cpu |
| 20:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 20:02.03 | Kaelten | yeah, 'sick' is more like it |
| 20:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | squid or something eles? |
| 20:02.22 | Kaelten | sadly the caching has caused some issues here and there |
| 20:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | *else |
| 20:02.37 | Kaelten | curse.com does .net caching of some sort |
| 20:02.48 | nicoli_s | .net magics! |
| 20:02.51 | Kaelten | We've been doing lightweight memcached stuff on curseforge |
| 20:02.56 | nevcairiel | evilness, imho |
| 20:03.03 | Kaelten | we're going to have a full fragment cache in time for 3.2 |
| 20:03.06 | nicoli_s | nuhuh, .net ftw |
| 20:03.15 | nevcairiel | python > .net |
| 20:03.18 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: I disagree, |
| 20:03.21 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: aye |
| 20:03.30 | Kaelten | although obj-c > all |
| 20:03.32 | Kaelten | *ducks |
| 20:03.38 | nicoli_s | youz both crazy |
| 20:03.41 | Kaelten | lol |
| 20:03.43 | Zamoria | .net's pretty seckseh in some areas |
| 20:04.08 | Dagmar | Only if you're into goats. |
| 20:04.11 | nevcairiel | A friend of mine applied for a bachelor thesis in obj-c, specifically linking an iPhone into a SAP system |
| 20:04.14 | nevcairiel | i wonder if he gets it |
| 20:04.20 | nicoli_s | well then call me a goat fucker dagmar |
| 20:04.26 | Dagmar | Goat fucker. |
| 20:04.40 | Nechckn_AFK | lol, nice |
| 20:04.42 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: could be neat |
| 20:04.48 | Kaelten | I'm getting more comfortable with cocoa |
| 20:04.52 | Kaelten | it's _very_ nice |
| 20:05.06 | Kaelten | it has a few glaring admissions imho, but the things it does it has a tendency to do sickingly well. |
| 20:05.16 | Nechckn_AFK | I've heard that from a lot of people, actually, Kaelten |
| 20:05.19 | KarlKFI | dispite the evil syntax that doesn't look like any other language |
| 20:05.47 | Kaelten | I think smalltalk has a similar syntax |
| 20:05.49 | Dagmar | It looks like Visual Basic with strong typing forcibly inserted. |
| 20:06.00 | Kaelten | I know that the object system was directly lifted from smalltalk |
| 20:07.32 | KarlKFI | yeah but who used smalltalk.. |
| 20:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | small people |
| 20:08.16 | Lunessa | ... used smalltalk. :( |
| 20:08.20 | Lopeppeppy | in small worlds |
| 20:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ 16:04 < Dagmar> Only if you're into goats. |
| 20:10.04 | Kaelten | KarlKFI, we owe a lot to smalltalk though, for something that never got that mainstream modern programming was heavilly impacted by it |
| 20:11.17 | KarlKFI | yeah yeah. it's just confusing going from python/java/C++ syntax to obj-c |
| 20:11.33 | Kaelten | yeah, even though obj-c is as old or older than all those languages ;) |
| 20:13.22 | Kaelten | but yeah, I know it feels alien if you've not been using it |
| 20:13.28 | Shirik | Anyone here good with TCP protocol? |
| 20:13.37 | Shirik | If an HTTP connection closes, it will ALWAYS have a FIN packet, right? Even HTTPS? |
| 20:13.40 | Kaelten | Shirik: I can use a web browser |
| 20:13.42 | Shirik | I think it has to, just double checking |
| 20:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: FIN is on a different level than HTTPS.. so.. standard TCP is standard? |
| 20:14.26 | Shirik | I'm trying to verify that my application is using the Keep-Alive option, which I think it is, and wireshark is showing very few FIN packets compared to the number of requests I know it should be making |
| 20:14.30 | Shirik | I know |
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| 20:14.38 | Shirik | but like |
| 20:14.40 | Kaelten | Shirik: without being able to answer that question, wouldn't the issue being that you're relying on the client/server always sending said fin packet. not sure how standard that support would be |
| 20:14.56 | Dagmar | I think maybe you're misreading something |
| 20:15.03 | Shirik | Here's my problem |
| 20:15.12 | Shirik | I'm using an HTTPS connection, so wireshark basically can't tell me shit |
| 20:15.21 | Shirik | I want to ensure that I'm using Keep-Alive correctly |
| 20:15.27 | Shirik | I estimate maybe 20 requests, and I see 4 FIN packets |
| 20:15.30 | AckisWork | Shirik: does your blackberry slow down ever? |
| 20:15.32 | Dagmar | You're right in that there's alwasy going to be a FIN/RST bit at the end of the session with TCP. It's got nothing to do with http or https |
| 20:15.41 | Dagmar | s/bit/thing/; |
| 20:15.42 | Shirik | is it a reasonable statement that I am correctly using Kee-Alive? |
| 20:15.52 | Thunder_Child | Kee? |
| 20:15.55 | Shirik | Keep |
| 20:15.55 | Dagmar | THe FIN packets have nothing to do with keepalives |
| 20:15.57 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 20:16.04 | Shirik | Well if I'm using Keep-Alive then the connection won't be closed |
| 20:16.37 | Shirik | I realize they're on two different layers, my point is that they should correspond to each other |
| 20:16.42 | Dagmar | I could very easily be wrong but I was under the impression turning on keepalives means the origin point will periodically send keepalive packets, which aren't FINs |
| 20:16.52 | Shirik | er, then I'm sayin the wrong thing |
| 20:16.56 | Arrowmaster | FUCKING WIN! http://www.teamfortress.com/sniperupdate/ |
| 20:17.32 | Shirik | my understanding of keep-alive is that the server should not close the connection after the response, so that more requests can be sent |
| 20:17.41 | Dagmar | Keepalives won'd preserve a connection that's being closed. |
| 20:17.50 | Dagmar | It'll try to keep a connection from being snuffed for being idle. |
| 20:17.56 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, that does look amusing |
| 20:18.03 | Arrowmaster | very |
| 20:18.26 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's an apache configuration directive unrelated to anything packet-level |
| 20:18.35 | Shirik | uh, no, that's definitely an HTTP standard header |
| 20:18.39 | Shirik | not apache-related |
| 20:18.48 | Dagmar | It's not a packet level thing, dude. |
| 20:18.57 | Dagmar | You'll never see it looking at IP headers. |
| 20:18.58 | Shirik | ok you are totally missing what I'm saying here |
| 20:19.18 | Dagmar | You're talking about configuring the server so that it'll serve multiple documents over one single connect, right? |
| 20:19.18 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 understood what I was saying, I think |
| 20:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The Keep-Alive connection can be terminated from either side for any reason |
| 20:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not uncommon to see apache close KA conns after 2 seconds to free resources |
| 20:19.48 | Dagmar | "normal way": client connects, seys "gimme file foo", server delivers file "foo", closes connection |
| 20:19.58 | Shirik | look |
| 20:20.10 | Shirik | all I'm saying is that I'm trying to verify I'm using HTTP keep-alive properly, and not spawning a new connection every time |
| 20:20.27 | Dagmar | "keepalive way": client connects, seys "gimme file foo", server delivers file "foo", client sez gimme file "bar", server coughs up file "bar", continues until one or both parties get bored |
| 20:20.28 | Shirik | The packets are secured over SSL so I can't really use any packet information from the HTTP layer to do this |
| 20:20.44 | Shirik | however, I can see that there are only 4 FIN packets for about 20 requests |
| 20:20.48 | Dagmar | You can count the number of connecctions made and compare it to the number of pieces to the document |
| 20:20.48 | mikma | create your own |
| 20:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Couldn't you write up a trivial demo app to verify the sockets are intact? |
| 20:20.53 | Shirik | is it a reasonable statement to say that it is being used correctly |
| 20:20.55 | Shirik | that's all I'm asking |
| 20:20.59 | Dagmar | Count the SYNs |
| 20:21.13 | nevcairiel | counting FINs is easier then SYNs =p |
| 20:21.19 | nevcairiel | but yes Shirik, it sounds correct |
| 20:21.28 | Shirik | Dagmar: One would argue the number of SYN packets should be equal to the number of FIN packets |
| 20:21.30 | Dagmar | Servers can/will repeat parts of the FIN/RST dance |
| 20:21.51 | Dagmar | Seldom do clients keep doing SYNs because the connection will complete |
| 20:22.16 | Dagmar | Lots of end-user crap on the other hand just closes the socket, sends it's one packet saying it closed it, and destroys teh socket |
| 20:22.59 | Dagmar | I'm being vague about that on purpose, but the number of times the initial handshakes are done is *far* more likely to be an accurate count than counting FINs |
| 20:23.28 | Dagmar | It doesn't help that part of that closing sequence is apparently considered optional |
| 20:24.05 | Shirik | anyway nevcairiel answered my question |
| 20:25.04 | Dagmar | Note: Older versions of FIrefox (that no one shouold be using anymore, but then, there's idiots still using IE6 too) will eff right up if you have that and gzip compression on |
| 20:25.49 | Dagmar | ...so if you get some people complaining about weird stuff like getting an HTML file instead of an image or a zip file instead of an HTML document, telll them to bleeding upgrade |
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| 20:28.38 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That is pretty win |
| 20:28.41 | Shirik | stick to the wall :) |
| 20:29.06 | nevcairiel | I should play TF2 |
| 20:29.11 | nevcairiel | i even own it .. but never played |
| 20:29.20 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes you should |
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| 20:30.02 | nicoli_s | it rocks |
| 20:30.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont play that often either |
| 20:30.49 | Lunessa | ... http://notalwaysright.com/not-for-all-the-gold-in-azeroth/1498 |
| 20:30.58 | Arrowmaster | but my computer sucks and its kinda laggy |
| 20:31.19 | Fisker- | lol Shirik |
| 20:31.27 | Fisker- | a mage just bid on pandora's plea |
| 20:31.29 | Fisker- | O_o |
| 20:31.47 | Fisker- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45490 <-lol'd |
| 20:32.25 | Dagmar | Is there some reason they shouldn't? |
| 20:32.37 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 20:32.39 | Fisker- | it's hunter loot |
| 20:32.59 | Dagmar | No it's not. |
| 20:33.02 | Fisker- | sure is |
| 20:33.05 | Dagmar | No, it's not. |
| 20:33.11 | Dagmar | Spellpower doesn't do a damn thing for hunters. |
| 20:33.20 | Dagmar | If it did we could gear up to blow giant holes in peope |
| 20:33.23 | nevcairiel | everything is hunter loot |
| 20:33.26 | nevcairiel | didnt you know? |
| 20:33.50 | Dagmar | Like, if spellpower affected Hunters, I could auto-shoot for like 2000 a pop |
| 20:34.05 | Dagmar | The only reason a hunter would take that would be to keep it from being DEd |
| 20:34.07 | nevcairiel | didnt it used to affect arcane shot or something? |
| 20:34.12 | End | used to |
| 20:34.13 | Arrowmaster | i had to login to wowhead just to down rate one of the comments on that item |
| 20:34.16 | Arrowmaster | "Just as a warlock derives more from spirit than many other caster classes," |
| 20:34.23 | Dagmar | lol |
| 20:34.27 | Arrowmaster | fucking moron |
| 20:34.31 | Dagmar | That's just MEAN |
| 20:34.40 | Dagmar | Trying to trick locks into taking +spirit items |
| 20:34.51 | End | spirit is better than int |
| 20:34.59 | nevcairiel | spirit isnt *bad* for casters anymore |
| 20:35.11 | End | although, that goes for non-arcane mages and balance druids now :o |
| 20:35.28 | Dagmar | End: You say this because of umm... what cranial damage? |
| 20:35.30 | Arrowmaster | i thought they nerfed spirit to hell again in 3.1 |
| 20:35.31 | Lunessa | ... oh man, chocolate cheesecake. |
| 20:35.33 | Thunder_Child | it IS still 'bad' the only reason we want it now is because some abilitys use it |
| 20:35.47 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: not like dmg-casters took spirit for the mana regen :p |
| 20:35.52 | Dagmar | it's not a completely useless stat for casters, but it's very near the bottom of priority |
| 20:35.55 | End | Dagmar: spirit -> spellpower for warlocks and druids |
| 20:36.04 | End | did you read what I wrote? |
| 20:36.06 | End | better than int |
| 20:36.07 | Dagmar | That seems insane somehow |
| 20:36.11 | End | BETTER THAN INT |
| 20:36.15 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: warlocks didnt get that though, but mages and shadowpriests could |
| 20:36.15 | Dagmar | I'm going to have to double-check that |
| 20:36.24 | Shirik | better than int? |
| 20:36.26 | Shirik | Is it a long? |
| 20:36.36 | nevcairiel | its a double! |
| 20:36.39 | End | arcane mages still scale better with int because they have int to spell power in their tree |
| 20:37.08 | End | not that you want to stack int or spirit |
| 20:37.36 | End | but I find it funny that spirit tends to be a better stat than int now |
| 20:37.55 | Dagmar | I don't see how |
| 20:38.02 | End | int gives what? |
| 20:38.03 | Dagmar | Wowwiki is saying it's 3:1 damage for locks |
| 20:38.06 | End | a terrible amount of crit? |
| 20:38.22 | Arrowmaster | i picked up that int trinket from shade of aran for lolz back when they were going to make life tap a % of max mana |
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| 20:40.39 | Dagmar | I'm just going to have to disagree about hte spirit thing |
| 20:40.47 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I did not ask for this! |
| 20:41.12 | End | go ahead and disagree, if you want |
| 20:41.43 | End | (actually, I could be wrong about balance druids, though, since thet get the same amount of spell power from spirit -and- int) |
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| 20:41.50 | End | (that's a 3.1.2 change though) |
| 20:42.15 | End | oh wait, int is still less |
| 20:42.23 | End | less spell power I mean |
| 20:43.05 | nevcairiel | yeah they buffed spirit for balance druids |
| 20:43.46 | Dagmar | It looks like the fel armor change just makes it slightly above "useless" for locks |
| 20:43.54 | End | I don't disagree |
| 20:44.11 | Dagmar | I'd take extra nukes over say, 33 more DPS any day of the week |
| 20:44.13 | End | however you're disagreeing that spirit is better than int |
| 20:45.02 | End | I suppose I could phrase it more like this "int is even more terrible than spirit" |
| 20:45.09 | Dagmar | Exactly. I don't think it's a more useful stat than int for more than maybe one or two specs total |
| 20:45.19 | Dagmar | ...and they're probably weird specs like Pastamancer or something |
| 20:45.42 | Dagmar | Cuddlebear Druids or something |
| 20:46.14 | Lunessa | Which spec are you? Oh, I'm pastamancer spec. My noodly goodness will pwn the boss in no time. |
| 20:46.37 | nevcairiel | don't mock the poor pastamancer :( |
| 20:46.56 | End | warlocks, non-arcane mages, and balance druids (probably) get better benefit out of spirit, because they don't have anything, or much, to leverage intellect |
| 20:47.04 | End | ele shaman probably like int more though |
| 20:47.55 | End | actually, I don't think ele shaman get -any- benefit at all from spirit |
| 20:49.48 | durcyn | no shaman gets anything from spirit, but that's okay, because spellpower mail only drops from every boss |
| 20:49.59 | durcyn | except for the ones that drop spellpower plate instead |
| 20:50.06 | End | well, they don't itemize mail with spirit anyway :P |
| 20:50.30 | End | resto druids get spirit, so letting balance druids benefit makes sense |
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| 20:54.00 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://notalwaysright.com/day-trippy/1945 |
| 20:56.03 | Osstia | hugs durcyn |
| 20:56.23 | durcyn | Osstia: thanks, i needed that =P |
| 20:56.24 | Jamash | yellow submarine is a powerful song |
| 20:56.41 | Osstia | what class are you durcyn? |
| 20:56.42 | mikma | shirik: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/xkcd_regular_expressions.png <- old, but reminds me of you. |
| 20:56.44 | Jamash | it's one of the best for driving out other songs that are stuck in your head |
| 20:56.56 | durcyn | Osstia: warlock, usually |
| 20:56.57 | Shirik | I love that comic |
| 20:56.58 | Zamoria | Jamash: never gonna give you up |
| 20:57.02 | Zamoria | runs |
| 20:57.07 | Jamash | WE ALL LIVE IN A YELLOW SUBMARINE |
| 20:57.12 | Osstia | i'm a priest, and we have the same issue |
| 20:57.22 | Jamash | take that rick astley |
| 20:57.23 | Osstia | and i have a boomking that i compete with over items |
| 20:57.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: WEEEEEEEE [taptaptap] EEEEEEEEEE |
| 20:57.46 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/image.png |
| 20:57.47 | Zamoria | Jamash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ (not rickroll) |
| 20:57.50 | mikma | HAH! |
| 21:00.29 | NightHawkTheSane | http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2009/05/regarding-the-difference-between-embracing-and-exploiting-geek-culture.html |
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| 21:05.11 | Shirik | so for those of you out there that wear glasses |
| 21:05.26 | Shirik | I recently got prescription sunglasses after having avoided them for like 6 years saying I don't need them |
| 21:05.32 | Shirik | makes a huge difference, you should try :P |
| 21:05.48 | Fisker- | :3? |
| 21:06.04 | pastamancer | I opted for magnetic shades |
| 21:06.11 | Jamash | I have the kind that darken in bright light |
| 21:06.16 | Arrowmaster | dont feel like paying $500 for sunglasses when my normal glasses are tinted |
| 21:06.26 | kd3 | I've got the kind that darken when it's dangerous |
| 21:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I just wear a hat. |
| 21:06.29 | kd3 | much better, those |
| 21:06.37 | pastamancer | haha |
| 21:06.54 | Fisker- | dangerous? |
| 21:06.54 | Shirik|AFK | Arrowmaster: $69 |
| 21:07.05 | Shirik|AFK | Lenscrafters had a major sale :) |
| 21:07.08 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|AFK: impossible |
| 21:07.13 | Jamash | Fisker-: peril-sensitive sunglasses |
| 21:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | "If a tree falls down in a forest and there is no one there to hear it, my illegal logging business succeeds." |
| 21:07.17 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:07.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 21:07.34 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|AFK: i have a very very strong perscription |
| 21:07.35 | Fisker- | uses fancy words around Jamash |
| 21:07.35 | End | Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses |
| 21:07.45 | Shirik|AFK | Arrowmaster: Doesn't matter, the sale applied to any lenses |
| 21:07.51 | Shirik|AFK | In fact, the lenses are free |
| 21:07.55 | Shirik|AFK | the frames cost $69 |
| 21:08.00 | Arrowmaster | plastic frames? |
| 21:08.06 | Shirik|AFK | Probably, but it's $69! |
| 21:08.24 | Shirik|AFK | wait, plastic? |
| 21:08.26 | Shirik|AFK | what? |
| 21:08.32 | Shirik|AFK | I thought you were talking about the lenses |
| 21:08.40 | Lunessa | Shirik|AFK: I <3 prescription sunglasses. My problem is I tend to lose them. |
| 21:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | debates losing his +1 karma |
| 21:08.57 | Arrowmaster | my frames are titanium, i cant wear anything with nickle in it |
| 21:09.28 | End | ~karma Shirik|AFK |
| 21:09.28 | purl | shirik|afk has neutral karma |
| 21:09.30 | End | oops |
| 21:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 15/13 vision ftw |
| 21:09.33 | End | ~karma ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:09.33 | purl | scytheblade1 has karma of 8 |
| 21:09.41 | kd3 | hm |
| 21:09.43 | Jamash | the only thing I don't like about my glasses is the darkening only works with direct sunlight, car windshields filter out the UV so they don't darken while driving |
| 21:09.44 | kd3 | ~karma kd3 |
| 21:09.44 | purl | kd3 has karma of 3 |
| 21:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | that's depressingly low |
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| 21:09.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ~kd3++ |
| 21:09.58 | kd3 | lol |
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| 21:17.13 | Pharaunmizz|GotD | Ok wait just to make sure I'm not smoking something, UnitName("npc") will actually get the name of a PLAYER if you're currently trading with someone? |
| 21:17.34 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 21:18.08 | Shadowed | the NPC unitid is not an actual NPc |
| 21:18.11 | Shadowed | it's whoever you're interacting with |
| 21:18.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@ool-44c21010.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:18.55 | Shadowed | if you talked to an NPC to open your bank, then you're interacting with that NPC, if you open trade with a player you're interacting with that player and so on |
| 21:19.23 | Pharaunmizz|GotD | Ok, thanks :D |
| 21:19.29 | Pharaunmizz|GotD | yay for misleading syntax |
| 21:20.03 | Arrowmaster | well trading is the only time it wont be an npc |
| 21:20.49 | Shadowed | yea wowwiki docs are misleading on that |
| 21:21.49 | Kraps | what type of person's first thought when entering a library is "HOT DAMN!"? i feel "special" :( |
| 21:22.05 | Shadowed | mine would be |
| 21:22.09 | Shadowed | if I didn't just buy the books |
| 21:22.14 | Shadowed | or checked online |
| 21:22.16 | Shadowed | and never went to one :p |
| 21:22.25 | Shadowed | *and actually went to one |
| 21:22.53 | Kraps | actually i couldnt form a coherent thought |
| 21:23.15 | Kraps | and ive been to some librarys |
| 21:23.41 | Kraps | but this one near my work is WHOA |
| 21:26.58 | AckisWork | hahaha |
| 21:26.59 | AckisWork | http://www.warcraftpets.com/news/images/thumbs/grunty.jpg |
| 21:27.03 | AckisWork | so full of win |
| 21:27.50 | Kraps | hey where would i buy the blizzcon web stream thingy? |
| 21:28.03 | mikma | ackiswork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpVDpvg4ct8 |
| 21:28.22 | kd3 | kraps; http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/partners/directv.xml |
| 21:28.31 | Kirov | Kraps - on the DirecTV site, but it's not up yet. |
| 21:28.42 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: is that a murloc? |
| 21:29.01 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - Murloc space marine |
| 21:29.05 | Arrowmaster | must have |
| 21:29.08 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 21:29.08 | Kirov | Named Grunty |
| 21:30.04 | Kraps | what if i cant watch it live, do i still need to pay to see it later? |
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| 21:31.02 | Kirov | I'm probably buying it just for the pet. :P |
| 21:31.12 | Kirov | We'll, specifically for my fiancee to get the pet. |
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| 21:31.27 | AckisWork | is really sad that he won't be going this year :( |
| 21:31.43 | Nechckn_AFK | Oh... wait! You got the job? |
| 21:31.49 | kd3 | I'm probably not going either... /sadpanda |
| 21:32.04 | nicoli_s | i'll go if i get a free ride |
| 21:32.09 | nicoli_s | nudges netcurse |
| 21:32.30 | AckisWork | Nechckn_AFK: eh what job? i've had the same job I've had for the past 5 months :P lol |
| 21:32.33 | Arrowmaster | how much is it? |
| 21:32.35 | AckisWork | nudges netcurse too |
| 21:32.55 | AckisWork | I'll sell parts of my body for sponsorship space!!! |
| 21:32.57 | Arrowmaster | i could probably go if i could get a free ride too |
| 21:33.27 | kd3 | ponders at his "Great American AddOn" |
| 21:33.37 | Nechckn_AFK | No.. no.. not you then. Someone applied to some big company just a couple weeks ago. |
| 21:33.51 | Nechckn_AFK | Arrowmaster, maybe? |
| 21:33.56 | Arrowmaster | kinda |
| 21:33.58 | AckisWork | no not me then |
| 21:34.03 | Nechckn_AFK | I thought it was one of you A* folks |
| 21:34.11 | Kraps | i guess my question is, will it be archived? |
| 21:34.21 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt consider the company that big but i guess they are |
| 21:34.50 | Arrowmaster | and no i didnt get it, didnt even get a real interview |
| 21:34.57 | Nechckn_AFK | =( sorry |
| 21:35.07 | Nechckn_AFK | bastards |
| 21:35.34 | Kraps | anyone? |
| 21:36.07 | kd3 | dunno. I'd recommend hooking up some sort of recorder device and watching that after the fact |
| 21:36.20 | Nechckn_AFK | Kraps Although I wouldn't guarantee it, with the way Netflix works for streaming, I'd say yes. |
| 21:36.36 | Kraps | i dont want to have to watch terrible youtube footage of blizzcon again :( |
| 21:36.37 | Arrowmaster | is the streaming going to be from netflix? |
| 21:36.57 | Nechckn_AFK | I thought that was the partner for DTV |
| 21:37.09 | Nechckn_AFK | hold on.. maybe incorrect on that... |
| 21:37.16 | End | yeah, I think it's through DTV |
| 21:37.22 | AckisWork | is direct tv in canadia? |
| 21:37.45 | Arrowmaster | i thought they were global |
| 21:37.50 | Nechckn_AFK | It supposed to be available to anyone, was the announcement and text- via streaming. |
| 21:37.51 | End | hrm |
| 21:38.09 | End | they also say |
| 21:38.15 | Kraps | where should i ask? |
| 21:38.23 | Dagmar | Sat footprints aren't quite that big |
| 21:38.25 | Nechckn_AFK | It just says live streaming... so... dunno. |
| 21:38.32 | End | oh wait |
| 21:38.33 | End | I misread |
| 21:38.48 | End | so streaming is free for new dtv customers |
| 21:39.10 | End | and $39.95 for non-customers and existing customers |
| 21:39.11 | Nechckn_AFK | Yeah, free if you enter into a new contract with 'em. |
| 21:39.26 | End | existing customers can view it via PPV and internet |
| 21:39.36 | End | internet non-customers just get internet streaming |
| 21:39.44 | End | so I have NO idea how it works for internet streaming now |
| 21:39.44 | Kirov | And you get the pet. |
| 21:39.55 | Thunder_Child | eg. $40 for a pet |
| 21:39.57 | Nechckn_AFK | yeah, that is a good idea, really. |
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| 21:40.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 21:40.11 | Nechckn_AFK | and, yes, Thunder_Child - that's likely what will be the result. =) |
| 21:40.16 | Arrowmaster | i payed $40 for a mount and never got to see the PPV |
| 21:40.17 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - considering they'll go for $300 on ebay a year later, yes. |
| 21:40.43 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn_AFK, of cource it is, instead of having to watch all the ppv crap you can simply read it on a site in condenced version |
| 21:40.56 | Lunessa | Anyone in my region plan on going to BlizzCon that want's to road-trip to share expenses? |
| 21:40.56 | Nechckn_AFK | Kraps Tehy don't have any further info up on DTV or WoW site, yet... so they will likely have more details once they are ready to allow purchasing. |
| 21:40.57 | Thunder_Child | except for the intro which has all the fun stuff |
| 21:41.04 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: $200 |
| 21:41.06 | Dagmar | ...for some, pehps deluded people, that $40 represents muchmore... |
| 21:41.44 | Lopeppeppy | If I'm not able to go, I'll totally shell out for the web feed just to hope to see some of the group wave to me. :) |
| 21:41.55 | Arrowmaster | http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkwZblizzconQ20bearQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZR40QQ_mdoZ |
| 21:42.13 | Nechckn_AFK | Just as long as no one is naked, Lopeppeppy ;-) |
| 21:42.20 | Nechckn_AFK | Your eyes might melt! |
| 21:42.29 | Lopeppeppy | I can handle it, Nechckn_AFK. |
| 21:42.37 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: i'm guessing those arent allowed |
| 21:42.48 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 21:43.14 | Kraps | according to policy |
| 21:43.21 | Kraps | blizz policy |
| 21:43.25 | Arrowmaster | umm no |
| 21:43.36 | Arrowmaster | they are selling a physical card with a code on it |
| 21:43.40 | Arrowmaster | perfectly legal |
| 21:43.57 | Arrowmaster | infact it would be illegal for blizzard to try to stop it |
| 21:44.04 | Nechckn_AFK | Well... they can do that with the normal game cards, do they put additional restrictions on the "promo-pack" items? |
| 21:44.35 | Nechckn_AFK | Since Blizz gives those for free to attendees, they may put other restrictions on 'em. |
| 21:45.13 | Nechckn_AFK | *but* there hasn't ever been a peep about 'em yet, so... |
| 21:45.54 | Nechckn_AFK | I bet that with the expanded audience and availability of the "exclusive item" that their value won't be as much as the bears and murlocs of years past. |
| 21:45.58 | Osstia | Lunessa: whats your region? |
| 21:46.28 | Arrowmaster | hahaha |
| 21:46.29 | Arrowmaster | http://cgi.ebay.com/Blizzcon-09-Grunty-the-murloc-pet_W0QQitemZ260409378036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Games?hash=item3ca19bc4f4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A2096|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 |
| 21:47.00 | Arrowmaster | there are tons of bears up on ebay, and a few murloc suits |
| 21:47.07 | Arrowmaster | havent seen any murkys yet |
| 21:47.36 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: there's about 1 murky ever 2-3 weeks... around $1000 to $3000 |
| 21:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I wish I lived down your way. |
| 21:48.05 | Arrowmaster | $799 buy it now tyrael |
| 21:48.10 | Nechckn_AFK | That is just crazy... for that much. |
| 21:48.23 | Arrowmaster | the bear is nowhere near as rare as any of the others |
| 21:48.29 | Kraps | "Mage leveling is like being Irish. Drink, Fight, Drink, Fight, Drink, Fight, Drink, Fight, Drink, Fight, Drink, Fight, Drink, Fight, Drink, Fight" |
| 21:48.29 | |Jelly| | Peppy: No you don't. :P |
| 21:48.33 | Nechckn_AFK | 40.- maybe... 1K+ no way |
| 21:48.43 | Arrowmaster | and the new one will NEVER sell for more than $100 on ebay i bet |
| 21:48.46 | Lopeppeppy | Do too, Jelly! |
| 21:49.11 | Arrowmaster | http://cgi.ebay.com/Blizzcon-2005-Card-Murky-Murloc-Pet-Card-Unscratched_W0QQitemZ230341950779QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Accessories?hash=item35a1733d3b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A2096|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A2|294%3A50 |
| 21:49.16 | Arrowmaster | $2999.95 |
| 21:49.41 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: yah that's the $3k one, won't sell, most he'd get for it would be about $1500 |
| 21:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | Scary crap |
| 21:50.16 | *** join/#wowuidev dustice (n=dustin@resnet-129-116-62-228.dorm.utexas.edu) |
| 21:50.16 | Arrowmaster | seriously anybody that thinks the bear or the sc2 murloc will be worth anything close to the previous stuff is crazy |
| 21:50.22 | mikma | hey umm, what's the function to get ie. version number from .toc? |
| 21:51.03 | Kirov | GetMetaData("version") |
| 21:51.07 | Kirov | or something |
| 21:51.18 | Zamoria | !api getmetadata |
| 21:51.18 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'getmetadata'. |
| 21:51.18 | Arrowmaster | !api getmetadata |
| 21:51.18 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'getmetadata'. |
| 21:51.25 | Zamoria | !api meta |
| 21:51.25 | Arrowmaster | !api metadata |
| 21:51.25 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for 'meta': debug.setmetatable, getmetatable, luaL_getmetafield, lua_setmetatable, GetAddOnMetadata, lua_getmetatable, luaL_callmeta, setmetatable, luaL_newmetatable, debug.getmetatable, luaL_getmetatable |
| 21:51.25 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetAddOnMetadata' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAddOnMetadata |
| 21:51.32 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: Best Offer: Offer declined hahahahahhaha |
| 21:51.37 | Kirov | GetAddOnMetadata |
| 21:51.53 | mikma | kirov: thanks |
| 21:52.44 | Kirov | How do you query the owner of a variable? |
| 21:52.44 | Kirov | can you from Lua? |
| 21:52.52 | Arrowmaster | nobody 'owns' a variable |
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| 21:53.11 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - more specifically taint tracking reference. |
| 21:53.21 | Arrowmaster | !api issecurevariable |
| 21:53.21 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'issecurevariable' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/issecurevariable |
| 21:53.22 | krka | we abolished variable slavery a long time ago |
| 21:53.47 | Shirik | owns Lopeppeppy |
| 21:54.00 | Zamoria | /popcorn |
| 21:54.02 | AckisWork | Shirik: does your blackberry slow down ever? |
| 21:54.12 | Shirik | occasionally |
| 21:54.20 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: If you did, you could use the entire back seat of my SUV to camp in for the drive. :) |
| 21:54.22 | Shirik | supposedly the new OS is supposed to fix that |
| 21:54.26 | Shirik | version .95 or something |
| 21:54.31 | Shirik | which Verizon refuses to release |
| 21:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | eyes Shirik narrowly. |
| 21:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for sleepybackseats |
| 21:54.40 | Lunessa | Osstia: I'm in the Nation of Texas. |
| 21:54.50 | Shirik | I wish Texas were its own nation |
| 21:54.52 | Osstia | ahh |
| 21:54.56 | Shirik | get rid of some of the fat of the nation |
| 21:55.01 | Osstia | we have a crew up in Utah that are going to go down |
| 21:55.05 | Osstia | not exactly on the way |
| 21:55.21 | Lunessa | Shirik: Son, I'm going to have to hurt you now. |
| 21:55.26 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 21:57.31 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Doesn't look like I'm going to get to go. :( |
| 21:57.34 | |Jelly| | BTW |
| 21:57.45 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Sorry. :( |
| 21:57.52 | |Jelly| | Yeah well. |
| 21:57.55 | |Jelly| | There's always ... '10 ? |
| 21:58.05 | Lunessa | If I'm soloing, I'll fly. It'll probably work out cheaper then. |
| 21:58.29 | |Jelly| | With moving, I haven't had the time to put aside money for the ticket. :( |
| 21:59.10 | Zamoria | Shirik: of course, then we'd REALLY be dependent on foreign oil |
| 21:59.47 | AckisWork | is anyone on thunderlorn? |
| 22:01.33 | Kraps | do diablo/starcraft have multiplayer modes? |
| 22:01.49 | Zamoria | yes |
| 22:02.07 | Zamoria | hence battle.net |
| 22:02.23 | Saiket | Does Windows Vista put the WoW Cache folder somewhere special? |
| 22:02.23 | Kraps | ah |
| 22:02.23 | cbreak | there was even an open source server |
| 22:02.28 | cbreak | but blizzard sued it away :( |
| 22:02.43 | Zamoria | Saiket: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867106&sid=1 |
| 22:02.49 | cbreak | vista puts everything an app writes into Program Files somewhere special |
| 22:02.55 | cbreak | part of UAC |
| 22:03.09 | cbreak | and the sucky/broken/stupid implementation of file access permissions |
| 22:03.16 | Saiket | Ah, didn't realise it wasn't just saved variables. |
| 22:03.22 | Lopeppeppy | c: is such a nice place for my WoW install. *cuddles it* |
| 22:03.25 | Kraps | when do you think the games will be released? |
| 22:03.46 | Zamoria | Lopeppeppy: d's better ;) |
| 22:04.11 | cbreak | one char names. how retro. |
| 22:04.36 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, when they are ready (tm) |
| 22:04.41 | *** join/#wowuidev abug (n=warcraft@c-76-116-115-149.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:04.42 | Kraps | heh |
| 22:04.49 | Kraps | educated guess? |
| 22:04.50 | Shirik | cbreak: Not exactly |
| 22:05.09 | Shirik | cbreak: It only does that if the application is not UAC-aware |
| 22:05.14 | Shirik | a UAC-aware app that writes to program files is just outright denied |
| 22:05.27 | cbreak | define "aware" |
| 22:05.28 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, a while, it has not even gone into beta (for SC2) and diablo isnt into alpha yet i dont think |
| 22:05.33 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Yeah, the timing for me of the ticket sales was almost bad. I was able to scramble and reserve the coin for tickets. Hopefully I'll be able to buy one. |
| 22:06.02 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: its been like that forever though, no? |
| 22:06.07 | abug | is zootfizzle still with Blizzard? |
| 22:06.10 | Shirik | cbreak: Part of the application manifest requests one of three UAC levels (required for all new programs): asInvoker, highestAvailable, or requireAdministrator |
| 22:06.11 | Thunder_Child | Thunder_Child, blizzcon will give you the most info as far as those |
| 22:06.22 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, whats forever? |
| 22:06.23 | Shirik | If that manifest tag is present, the application is UAC aware |
| 22:06.36 | Thunder_Child | "15:06.25 Thunder_Child: Thunder_Child, blizzcon will give you the most info as far as those" ...wtf |
| 22:06.41 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 22:06.42 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 22:06.43 | Saiket | So there are two common places for Windows Vista to have app data stored at? Virtual store and that "users\public\games" path? |
| 22:07.01 | Saiket | I truncated the last one... |
| 22:07.10 | cbreak | so, basically, windows pretends that you're admin if an app doesn't say that it's ancient |
| 22:07.20 | cbreak | not ancient |
| 22:07.22 | cbreak | I mean :) |
| 22:07.35 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i havent followed those 2 games, but i think ive been hearing about em since i found wow |
| 22:08.13 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, well there is a diablo 1 and 2 as well as a starcraft out atm |
| 22:08.48 | Kraps | i might have to download haxed versions to see what they're about >) |
| 22:08.50 | Thunder_Child | but there wasnt even substantial rumors about D3 and SC2 when wow came out |
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| 22:14.02 | Kraps | starcraft is an RTS, whats diablo? |
| 22:15.10 | Thunder_Child | RPG |
| 22:15.17 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 22:15.18 | cbreak | a dungeon crawler à la angband |
| 22:15.21 | cbreak | with improved graphics |
| 22:16.13 | Thunder_Child | someone on gamespot wrote "...RTS Strategy Game..." i wanted to beat them |
| 22:16.42 | Thunder_Child | official mind you, not a comment |
| 22:17.29 | Kraps | dont think ive ever seen a dungeon crawler |
| 22:17.46 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: please pst me |
| 22:18.18 | Thunder_Child | oh |
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| 22:18.21 | Kraps | not literally :) |
| 22:18.21 | Thunder_Child | i hte yiu |
| 22:18.25 | Thunder_Child | hate you* |
| 22:18.27 | Kraps | rofl |
| 22:18.28 | Thunder_Child | ya, i got it |
| 22:18.42 | Thunder_Child | or pin number |
| 22:18.46 | Thunder_Child | or atm machine |
| 22:19.55 | Kraps | theres a store called "kova hats" kova is hebrew for hats :) |
| 22:20.05 | Kraps | hat* |
| 22:22.08 | Saiket | Is there a Chinese/Korean WowHead equivalent I could use to get localized creature names from? |
| 22:23.14 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, it means hard in finnish |
| 22:23.24 | Kaso | Saiket, http://ko.wowguru.com/ http://zh.wowguru.com/ http://tw.wowguru.com/ |
| 22:23.26 | Kraps | hmm |
| 22:23.52 | Kaso | Saiket, you can search the english version then add ko/zh/tw at the front to get the translation |
| 22:25.15 | Saiket | Thanks. :) I'm surprised WowHead doesn't have any data from those three locales. |
| 22:25.56 | Kaso | ask them in #wowhead ;p |
| 22:29.03 | Aezay | Does anyone have much experience with binding keys, SetBinding() SetBindingClick() etc, I have an addon that uses SetBindingClick() and removes the binding with SetBinding(), but the unbound key doesnt save between sessions, so next reload, it will still have the removed binding |
| 22:29.09 | Saiket | Kaso: Does Wow Guru not have any data beyond 2.3.0? |
| 22:29.26 | nicoli_s | probably not |
| 22:29.28 | Arrowmaster | why do you need localized creature names? |
| 22:29.54 | Arrowmaster | Aezay: you have to call a function to save the bindings |
| 22:30.28 | Saiket | The names are used as labels for settings, but I thought it'd be nice to have localized labels for those locales. Right now I have everything but Korean and Chinese Traditional/Simplified. |
| 22:30.59 | Arrowmaster | where are the creatures from? |
| 22:31.35 | Arrowmaster | northrend? |
| 22:31.41 | Aezay | Arrowmaster, I'm not acctually trying to save the binding, that is the problem. Lets say the binding is set to "Y", I then change it to "T", and it works fine. Then I reload the ui, now the binding is set to "Y" again |
| 22:31.42 | nicoli_s | its funny, the wowguru people took their coder from ogaming(which eventually was bought out by zam and that coder eventually went to curse, and then when i went to curse, that coder went back to the people who run wowguru :P |
| 22:31.45 | Saiket | Yep, two rare spawns from Northrend. |
| 22:31.56 | Shirik | http://www.wowbash.com/image-4826.html |
| 22:32.01 | Shirik | I wish I were that creative :( |
| 22:32.16 | Arrowmaster | Saiket: you wont get chiense localizations |
| 22:32.52 | Arrowmaster | the chinese client doesnt have northrend |
| 22:32.57 | Kraps | i seem to be finding a LOT of old world rares while leveling my druid |
| 22:32.57 | Saiket | Wow... |
| 22:33.22 | Saiket | That explains some weird bug tickets... Do they use the 3.0 client at all? |
| 22:33.31 | kd3 | yes |
| 22:33.33 | kd3 | they're on 3.0.5 |
| 22:34.14 | kd3 | http://wowchina.com/ |
| 22:34.50 | Arrowmaster | so yeah if you get any bug reports from people using 2.4.3 you can tell them to goto hell |
| 22:35.59 | KarlKFI | poor china |
| 22:37.15 | NeoTron | I didn't know wowchina was on 3.0 |
| 22:37.19 | NeoTron | they don't have DK's do they? |
| 22:37.37 | KarlKFI | they dont have the expansion |
| 22:37.38 | kd3 | no. they're running a 3.0.5 client build, but they don't have wrath |
| 22:37.47 | kd3 | it's like us running 3.0.2 before wrath launch day |
| 22:38.09 | jnwhiteh | I need help from a priest that is running Yogg-Saron. |
| 22:38.12 | Cide- | speaking of china |
| 22:38.28 | Cide- | I was at beijing's international airport the other day |
| 22:38.40 | Cide- | and filled in a health questionnaire |
| 22:38.46 | NeoTron | it's somewhat ironic that Magic Runes is localized to chinese :P |
| 22:38.51 | kd3 | "Yes, I have pig flu" |
| 22:39.00 | KarlKFI | jnwhiteh: that population is VERY small |
| 22:39.05 | jnwhiteh | I know |
| 22:39.12 | jnwhiteh | but they're all having issues with dispelling the mind control |
| 22:39.13 | Cide- | where I was asked if I had been in close contact with any pigs the past week (to make sure I didn't have pig flu, yes kd3) |
| 22:39.33 | NeoTron | Cide-: lol? |
| 22:39.37 | Cide- | I know |
| 22:39.40 | kd3 | I was under the impression that the temp MC couldn't be dispelled? |
| 22:39.42 | Cide- | it was totally and absolutely hilarious given the fact that they're not related at all |
| 22:40.19 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: I'm a priest running it |
| 22:40.21 | Shirik | what's up? |
| 22:40.38 | jnwhiteh | I'm being told that people are unable to use clique to dispel Dominate Mind |
| 22:40.46 | jnwhiteh | getting "nothing to dispel" or "target is hostile" |
| 22:40.46 | Shirik | I have no problems with it |
| 22:40.58 | jnwhiteh | And you're using Clique? |
| 22:40.59 | Shirik | yup |
| 22:41.01 | Shirik | clique + grid |
| 22:41.11 | Shirik | let me check exactly what spell I have bound for you |
| 22:41.52 | Shirik | just double checking, that's the MC right? |
| 22:42.01 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 22:42.32 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=63042 |
| 22:43.02 | KarlKFI | is there a Sanity Meter that 4% means something? |
| 22:43.16 | Shirik | I use Dispel Magic (Rank 2), not a macro, bound to ctrl+left click |
| 22:43.21 | kd3 | you've got a tracker debuff, fight starts at 100 stacks |
| 22:43.25 | kd3 | if it hits 0 you' |
| 22:43.33 | kd3 | re perma-MCd and will need to get killed |
| 22:43.43 | Shirik | s/need to get killed/wipe the raid/ |
| 22:43.51 | kd3 | that too |
| 22:43.53 | KarlKFI | Go Crazy!? DOn't mind if I do! |
| 22:43.55 | Shirik | you go to 100k hp |
| 22:43.57 | Shirik | so, |
| 22:43.59 | Saiket | Hmm, well Korea's WoW site looks Northrend-y. Is there a database site in Korean? |
| 22:44.04 | Shirik | that kind of loss basically means gg |
| 22:44.33 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: thanks, i'll post that in clique comments |
| 22:44.45 | Shirik | would you like my version number too? |
| 22:44.57 | jnwhiteh | are you out of date? |
| 22:44.58 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 22:45.02 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 22:45.09 | Shirik | ## Version: 119 |
| 22:45.15 | jnwhiteh | that's the latest |
| 22:46.42 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 22:46.44 | jnwhiteh | well i'm off to bed |
| 22:47.17 | mikma | is there some restrictions on pcall that it can't be used without user "input", meaning pressing key / mousebutton / something |
| 22:47.19 | foxlit | "No, you will get a target is hostile error, it needs to be dispels that remove a beneficial buff from an enemy." |
| 22:47.27 | foxlit | no |
| 22:47.33 | jnwhiteh | mikma: no.. |
| 22:47.34 | Shirik | jnwhiteh................. |
| 22:47.36 | Shirik | .................. |
| 22:47.36 | foxlit | pcall is a purely Lua-related construction |
| 22:47.38 | Shirik | ........ |
| 22:47.44 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: ? |
| 22:47.49 | Shirik | The guy that posted that is a moron |
| 22:47.56 | Shirik | "My guild is actually raiding Yogg-Saron 10&25 and playing as a paladin holy I'm having troubles trying to dispel dominate mind" |
| 22:47.57 | jnwhiteh | i've had lots of people report it |
| 22:48.00 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 22:48.02 | jnwhiteh | he's a paladin |
| 22:48.04 | Shirik | You can't dispel as a paladin |
| 22:48.15 | Shirik | it's a hostile player, you need a hostile dispel (purge or dispel magic) |
| 22:48.48 | Cide- | maybe he should have read the error message when he reported it |
| 22:48.50 | jnwhiteh | or felhunter |
| 22:49.03 | neura | surprising that as a paladin, he doesn't already know that ¬.¬ |
| 22:49.33 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 22:49.34 | mikma | ok, next question: i have code that listens at party-chat, can i have other wow (multiboxing) execute stuff said in party? like: '!exec error("you got ganked.")' |
| 22:49.48 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 22:49.58 | mikma | well, nothing happens for me :I |
| 22:50.02 | jnwhiteh | you can, and people have |
| 22:50.06 | Cide- | then ur doin it wrong |
| 22:50.08 | jnwhiteh | well then you're doing something wrong |
| 22:50.29 | mikma | i'll make a small pastey of the code now |
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| 22:51.52 | mikma | http://mikma.pastey.net/114115 |
| 22:52.02 | |Jelly| | Shirik: But I want to cleanse my enemy ... of all his ... things. |
| 22:52.02 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 22:52.04 | jnwhiteh | b is a string |
| 22:52.06 | jnwhiteh | you cannot execute a string |
| 22:52.10 | jnwhiteh | fail harder =) |
| 22:52.20 | mikma | there we go, reason found :I |
| 22:52.20 | jnwhiteh | local func,err = loadstring(b) |
| 22:52.23 | jnwhiteh | pcall(func) |
| 22:52.31 | jnwhiteh | and <3 |
| 22:52.45 | mikma | hmm let's see |
| 22:52.47 | KarlKFI | by "<3" he means FAIL |
| 22:52.55 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 22:53.02 | jnwhiteh | why does Exhaustion not run out when you're logged off |
| 22:53.04 | jnwhiteh | that seems, silly |
| 22:53.15 | KarlKFI | to punush you harder |
| 22:53.24 | jnwhiteh | for using Heroism? :P |
| 22:53.43 | KarlKFI | yup |
| 22:53.45 | Shirik | mikma: You could, but why not addon channel? |
| 22:54.02 | jnwhiteh | easier to see whats going on |
| 22:54.06 | jnwhiteh | which is a good thing in this sort of addon |
| 22:54.38 | jnwhiteh | plus i bet he's lazy =) |
| 22:54.39 | mikma | yeah, i'm not trying to hide "what's going on" |
| 22:54.59 | mikma | nothing to do with laziness, really :) |
| 22:55.03 | KarlKFI | a programmer, lazy!? Say it aint so! |
| 22:55.31 | mikma | karlkfi: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/image.png |
| 22:55.56 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 22:56.36 | Shirik | ~laziness |
| 22:56.37 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 22:57.48 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I think the reasoning is to prevent people from logging out to remove the debuff then using someone else's heroism in the next encounter. :( |
| 22:58.20 | |Jelly| | http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090512/sc_mcclatchy/3231765 Zombie Ants! |
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| 23:00.20 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: hrm.. |
| 23:00.27 | jnwhiteh | it would still take the same amount of time |
| 23:00.30 | jnwhiteh | they can just sit for 10 minutes |
| 23:00.45 | jnwhiteh | but sounds about right |
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| 23:02.56 | Lunessa | I had to think about it pretty hard to look for an exploit. I'm not devious enough. :/ |
| 23:06.01 | Zamoria | is thankful for UPSs and backup generators |
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| 23:11.59 | Shadowed | Any chance someones used AceGUI-3.0 + TreeGroup to build an interface before? (Not the table format, the actual frame one) |
| 23:12.15 | kd3 | oh wow... expedition 20 launches this month |
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| 23:14.08 | Shirik | ok I still have yet to find a purpose for this "Void" class in Java |
| 23:14.17 | Shirik | I thought I was clever and figured out a way to get one |
| 23:14.29 | dardack_ | anyone know if in oUF tags if you can return a texture instead of a string? |
| 23:14.30 | Wobin | but found it all void and null? |
| 23:14.35 | Shirik | use reflection to call a void method, then it should give me a Void |
| 23:14.40 | Shirik | but instead it gives me null! |
| 23:14.45 | dardack_ | haste are you on? |
| 23:15.10 | Thunder_Child | damit Shirik, it's your fault. |
| 23:15.30 | Shadowed | dardack: I'd assume you can, since the texture strings for all intents and purposes, are strings |
| 23:16.37 | dardack_ | shadowed: ok i'll try thanks |
| 23:16.58 | Shirik | wow! |
| 23:17.03 | Shirik | I just installed the new version of Netbeans 6.7 |
| 23:17.09 | Shirik | Just the new splash screen has me convinced |
| 23:17.33 | nicoli_s | i always liked eclipse better than netbears |
| 23:17.36 | nicoli_s | netbeans* |
| 23:17.46 | nicoli_s | i remember in school they wanted us to use this pos called jgrasp |
| 23:18.01 | Shirik | I hated eclipse |
| 23:18.09 | Shirik | and jgrasp was strange, but did have one neat utility |
| 23:18.16 | Shirik | that thing where it draws out a diagram of your code |
| 23:18.22 | Shirik | I found that kinda neat |
| 23:18.25 | dardack_ | that didn't work |
| 23:18.54 | nicoli_s | Shirik, do you do java professionally, or just academically? |
| 23:18.55 | Shirik | anyway, http://images.gammatester.com/pics/88cf283cb775602efa6dc12aecd28033.png |
| 23:18.57 | Shirik | Is that awesome or what |
| 23:19.10 | Shirik | nicoli_s: I'm still a student (albeit a GTA) |
| 23:19.27 | Shirik | however for my internships, etc., I've used C or C++ |
| 23:19.32 | Shirik | In particular at Insitu I will be using C++ |
| 23:19.37 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 23:20.51 | Kaso | Shirik any new features caught your eye yet? or just the splash screen |
| 23:21.04 | Shirik | well I see they still haven't fixed the Subversion 1.6 problem |
| 23:21.12 | Wobin | Kaso: That's not -enough-?! |
| 23:21.28 | Shirik | the new start screen is also very shiny |
| 23:21.39 | Kaso | The latest version of Sun VirtualBox changed the startup screen too |
| 23:21.47 | Kaso | apparently sun likes changing splash screens |
| 23:22.08 | Shirik | oh god, they fixed the horrible slowness during compile that was in 6.7M3 |
| 23:22.09 | Shirik | thank god |
| 23:22.19 | Shirik | Used to take me 30 seconds to compile something that 6.5 did in 3 |
| 23:23.16 | Shirik | intellisense seems a lot faster too, kaso |
| 23:23.55 | Shirik | I don't see anything in particular to comment on but I've only been using this one for a few minutes |
| 23:25.04 | Thunder_Child | "@Shirik: I don't see anything in particular to comment on but I've only been using this one for a few minutes" so just ignore the other 4 lines of comments? |
| 23:25.16 | Shirik | He was asking for features |
| 23:25.21 | Shirik | I'm not sure those qualify as features :) |
| 23:25.40 | Thunder_Child | depends on how he defines features i guess |
| 23:25.51 | dardack_ | ok i tried to find it, can anyone tell me the API call for Unitisincombat(unit) (obviously it's not unitisincombat) |
| 23:26.24 | Shirik | !api UnitAffectingCombat |
| 23:26.24 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitAffectingCombat' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAffectingCombat |
| 23:26.36 | dardack_ | thank you affectingcombat |
| 23:27.06 | Shirik | Though I think that might arguably be "UnitEffectingCombat" |
| 23:27.18 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitAffectingCombat |
| 23:27.19 | Shirik | Because UnitAffectingCombat might return true even though you're being completely worthless |
| 23:27.32 | Kaso | i'd consider faster anything a feature for Netbeans tbh |
| 23:27.46 | Shirik | hm, it runs pretty smoothly on my computer |
| 23:27.52 | Shirik | but then my laptop is fairly new and has a ton of ram, etc. |
| 23:28.05 | Lunessa | Shirik: In this case Affecting is the right word. |
| 23:28.11 | Shirik | I'm not so sure about that |
| 23:28.27 | Shirik | Let us say you have someone completely worthless, standing in the corner |
| 23:28.36 | Shirik | he's not really "Affecting" combat is he? |
| 23:28.50 | Lunessa | Shirik: Actually, he is. |
| 23:28.50 | Thunder_Child | nor is he Effective |
| 23:28.59 | Shirik | how is he affecting combat? |
| 23:29.13 | End | with special affects |
| 23:29.13 | Shirik | making your enemies laugh at him and thus reduce concentration? |
| 23:29.14 | Elly | affect can mean "feign" |
| 23:29.28 | Lunessa | he's involved, the computer tracks threat for him, buffs, debuffs, splash damage, etc. |
| 23:29.30 | Shirik | Whereas, just his PRESENCE can effect combat |
| 23:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, I love you all, enough with pendantic arguments. :P |
| 23:29.58 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, isnt that WHY you love us? |
| 23:30.18 | Lunessa | No, I think she loves us because were all fucking nutters. |
| 23:30.37 | Shirik | ~dict affect |
| 23:30.43 | Thunder_Child | besides Lunessa, needs something interesting or usefull to say |
| 23:30.45 | Wobin | Effecting combat would only be initialising combat, no? |
| 23:30.46 | Shirik | er... |
| 23:30.49 | Shirik | ~dict 1 affect |
| 23:31.01 | Shirik | to produce a ... change upon |
| 23:31.01 | Lunessa | Haha... Reading my FaceBook status? |
| 23:31.02 | Thunder_Child | s/,// |
| 23:31.05 | Shirik | He didn't change anything! |
| 23:31.11 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, yes you emo |
| 23:31.18 | Lunessa | Totally. |
| 23:31.25 | dardack_ | ok i know that you can track combat for the player with PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED/DISABLED is there a way to track an eventwith party/raid members? |
| 23:31.35 | Wobin | like Freya's minibosses "affect" combat with freya |
| 23:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I don't care who your girlfriend is. :) |
| 23:32.20 | Lunessa | Shirik: Effect is the thing, Affect is the action. |
| 23:32.26 | Shirik | nonono |
| 23:32.29 | Shirik | Effect can be a verb |
| 23:32.37 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 23:32.41 | Lunessa | yes, but I'm simplifying., |
| 23:32.45 | Wobin | but in the context of combat... |
| 23:32.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'm covering my ears. |
| 23:32.46 | Shirik | and in my situation I'm using it properly |
| 23:32.54 | Wobin | effecting combat is simply initialising combat |
| 23:32.57 | Shirik | right |
| 23:33.01 | Lunessa | And in this case, to wit, the name of the API, the correct language is Affecting |
| 23:33.03 | Shirik | And your presence can in fact effect combat |
| 23:33.14 | Shirik | This is my basic argument |
| 23:33.23 | Thunder_Child | then you can never be truly ineffective |
| 23:33.27 | Shirik | The mere presence of an individual in an area of combat can effect combat |
| 23:33.28 | Thunder_Child | by your argument |
| 23:33.32 | dardack_ | ok but is there an event that's fired for party/raid members (unit_combat says only if taking damage) |
| 23:33.37 | Wobin | it's a rather specific definition that doesn't actually fit into the idea of the function =) |
| 23:33.37 | Shirik | However, it is possible to be present, but worthless, meaning you are not in fact affecting combat |
| 23:34.31 | Lunessa | Shirik: I don't disagree, I'm simply saying that they judgement of uslessness is irrelevant to the correct English word to use in the name of the API if your alternative if Effecting |
| 23:34.45 | Shirik | I don't think they should change it :) |
| 23:34.54 | Shirik | I think that would cause more dispute than 0.999999.... = 1 |
| 23:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | this thread needs more bunnehs and pie. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904267249&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
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| 23:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | Pirate ninjas also welcome. |
| 23:35.05 | Kaso | When newspeak comes in effect and affect will be the same word |
| 23:35.11 | Kaso | safe so much effort |
| 23:35.11 | Wobin | Shirik: There are only a few examples of such, like a scripted event, eg that dude in the Sha'tar jail |
| 23:35.25 | kmcguire | I got the new add-on version Zorba. The memory is still a little high. It only looks like it dropped one or two megabytes. |
| 23:35.26 | Lunessa | Shirik: For sufficiently large values of 0.9999. |
| 23:35.50 | kmcguire | Oh, it dropped some more now. Must have been the decompression or something. To 14 now. |
| 23:35.52 | Wobin | and it says so much as to how long it's been since I ran that instance >< |
| 23:36.03 | Wobin | that I can't remember the npc nor the instance name |
| 23:36.13 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, Pirate Ninjas is an oxymoron |
| 23:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | So go tell the thread that. |
| 23:36.32 | Lunessa | Ninja Robot Pirate Bunnies. |
| 23:36.33 | kmcguire | Its all that routing stuff maybe. Might have to just gut it in incremental stages over time. |
| 23:36.34 | a_nil_value | pirate hookers on the other hand |
| 23:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yes, put some of those in there. |
| 23:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | This is a more interactive troll, but I still smell troll. |
| 23:37.00 | Lunessa | a_nil_value: They'll just sell you counterfeit blow., |
| 23:37.52 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 23:38.06 | ZorbaTHut | kmc, note that it constantly gathers stuff in the background, so the memory use tends to go up gradually over time anyway |
| 23:38.50 | Wobin | ninja hookers? |
| 23:39.40 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, there is a lot of discussion about minion in there /cheer |
| 23:39.44 | Shirik | afk now baibai |
| 23:40.28 | Lopeppeppy | True, Shirik, Minion rocks the socks. |
| 23:42.03 | dardack_ | is there a way to conjoin 2 string but make 1 of the strings a different color? like o= o.." - text" but have the - text a different color? |
| 23:42.55 | a_nil_value | concatenate a color string |
| 23:42.59 | a_nil_value | inbetween the two strings |
| 23:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | is trying to figure out what addon(s) tank her frame rate... |
| 23:43.16 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Escape_sequences |
| 23:43.43 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: Probably either the warrior, paladin, DK or druid addon |
| 23:45.12 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: DBM's newest release was killing me. I went from 30FPS in raids to 2 FPS every time the raid entered combat. |
| 23:46.13 | haste | dardack_: here now |
| 23:47.18 | Kirov | I've always found DBM to be worse than BigWigs |
| 23:48.20 | a_nil_value | dbm and bw both have features that the other doesn't have |
| 23:48.28 | dardack_ | hey haste, i know that the status.lua has away to show the player is in combat, does oUF have built in for party/raid? |
| 23:48.32 | a_nil_value | bw in particular healthbars for things like 3x freya adds, mimiron p4 |
| 23:48.42 | a_nil_value | is something it lacks |
| 23:50.12 | Hjalte | MagicTargets is not as good as DBM, but it's pretty good for doing multiple health pools. |
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| 23:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn, everypeople. |
| 23:54.55 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-69-204-184-95.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:57.25 | haste | dardack_: no, you can't determine that relibly |
| 23:58.29 | kmcguire | Whew, it dropped to 6mb. |
