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| 00:25.43 | kmcguire | ZorbaTHut, here is a peak at it. It is almost done. I just have a bug or two to work out. http://pastebin.com/m1f2311d7 |
| 00:27.18 | kmcguire | I cheated on modify no code by replacing the global pairs, ipairs, and next. A nicer approach would be to directly use the special functions from your code with a search and replace or what not.. but have to finish it up first. |
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| 00:29.09 | ZorbaTHut | looks pretty similar to how I was planning on doing it |
| 00:29.44 | ZorbaTHut | I should point out that you can pretty much guarantee that the key is an int and the value is a string. if that's not the case, it shouldn't be compacted anyway |
| 00:29.51 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually got about 2/3 of my implementation done at this point, though :) |
| 00:30.44 | kmcguire | That is what everyone says. |
| 00:32.30 | kmcguire | Hey, and a "thank you" for point that out would be nice. |
| 00:32.44 | kmcguire | But, oh. I just remembered. You already knew it. |
| 00:32.56 | kmcguire | point/pointing |
| 00:33.01 | Iriel | kmcguire: you have a typo, you have transverse when you mean traverse |
| 00:33.21 | kmcguire | shrugs. |
| 00:33.34 | ZorbaTHut | do I have to repeat thanks every time? thanks, it's honestly helpful that you discovered it was taking that much space |
| 00:33.52 | ZorbaTHut | but I already said that, and I also said I'd be giving you credit in the changelog, which I will be :P |
| 00:34.49 | kmcguire | I do not care. I am going back to working on other stuff. |
| 00:38.07 | kmcguire | And, thanks Shirik for showing me how to redirect a application to a proxy dll. |
| 00:38.17 | Shirik | huh? |
| 00:38.39 | kmcguire | You know, using the redirect statements to the linker for it's export table. |
| 00:38.59 | Shirik | yes but what does that have to do with anything >.> |
| 00:39.16 | kmcguire | I just wanted to say, thank you. So you would feel good. |
| 00:39.22 | Shirik | ok :P |
| 00:40.21 | Silversage | And I wanted to thank Shirik for being such a swell person. |
| 00:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | But I bake better cookies. |
| 00:41.06 | Iriel | I want to thank Shirik for being an excellent scapegoat, whenever we need one |
| 00:41.40 | Shirik | hey Iriel I found a way to improve performance a bit, based off your suggestion of limiting the number of threads with remote connections out at once |
| 00:42.04 | Iriel | Shirik: What did you do? |
| 00:42.24 | Shirik | I realized I was creating an "HttpClient" object for every thread. Now I just have a pool of 5 of them and synchronize their access so only up to 5 threads can have connections at the same time |
| 00:42.40 | Shirik | reduced the amount of allocation work and thrashing |
| 00:44.00 | Shirik | also, I'm not sure, but that actually might cause it to act in Keep-Alive mode too, reducing the connection overhead on both the client and the server |
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| 00:51.05 | Shadowed | kmcguire random note, but you don't even need to do any fancy compression, you could pretty much write a function to turn a table into a tablestring and loadstring it to get data back out and you reduce tables to only whats needed |
| 00:55.13 | kmcguire | Bug closed. |
| 00:55.59 | kmcguire | It does not do any compression. |
| 00:56.12 | kmcguire | I have a compression function, which I did not post. |
| 00:56.16 | Shadowed | let me rephrase that then :p |
| 00:57.22 | kmcguire | Maybe, I misunderstood what you were saying. |
| 00:57.30 | Shadowed | you can use something like http://shadowed.pastey.net/113905 and then loadstring the data back out with a metatable, without having fancy |
| 00:58.02 | Shadowed | s/having/anything/ |
| 00:58.12 | kmcguire | Yeah, that would work too. |
| 00:58.21 | kmcguire | But, I wanted it really compact you know. |
| 00:58.38 | kmcguire | But, you are correct. That is a good idea you know. |
| 00:58.55 | kmcguire | And, I bet that idea you have there would save almost just as much in memory. |
| 00:59.20 | Shadowed | the advantage is mostly that it's easier to parse out since all you do is loadstring("return blah") |
| 01:00.04 | kmcguire | I agree. It would be much easier to parse out. |
| 01:02.28 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, the loadstring is very slow when you've got a one-megabyte string |
| 01:02.30 | airtonix | Seerah, I'm pretty sure i posted a bug/feature report about tiptop. it only shows the primary talent spec. so if a player has dual spec, and is using their secondary spec, it won't show the build numbers for that secondary spec. |
| 01:02.35 | ZorbaTHut | slow enough to be a problem, at least |
| 01:02.39 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904295867&sid=1 |
| 01:02.54 | Shadowed | you don't store it in a single quest |
| 01:03.01 | Shadowed | you store it by questID = questData |
| 01:03.10 | Shadowed | single quest = single string |
| 01:03.17 | Shadowed | and load it as you need data |
| 01:03.20 | ZorbaTHut | that's what I'm already doing, and the table overhead is surprisingly large ;) |
| 01:03.21 | Wobin | truly the number of people taking this seriously is amusing |
| 01:03.25 | kmcguire | ROFL |
| 01:03.30 | kmcguire | @ ZorbaTHut. |
| 01:03.37 | Shadowed | wait what |
| 01:03.39 | Shadowed | how do you have table overhead? |
| 01:03.46 | Shadowed | all you need is a single table with a metatable attached to it |
| 01:03.55 | ZorbaTHut | as near as I can tell, there's significant overhead per table hash entry and per string |
| 01:04.08 | ZorbaTHut | when you've got 50-100k strings, that starts being pretty major |
| 01:04.29 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: define 'significant' 8-) |
| 01:04.49 | Shadowed | maybe you should split data up by expansion as well then? :p |
| 01:05.06 | ZorbaTHut | "enough that it ends up wasting 5-10 megs of RAM for the whole database" ;) |
| 01:05.13 | Shadowed | well duhhhhhh |
| 01:05.19 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, I'm not doing LOD, I want the entire DB in RAM right now. It's only 3 megs total when compressed properly |
| 01:05.27 | ZorbaTHut | (i.e. post-kmc's-idea) |
| 01:05.42 | kmcguire | falls out dead. |
| 01:05.50 | kmcguire | By god you made me want to cry. |
| 01:05.59 | kmcguire | I am so happy. |
| 01:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That a good thing? |
| 01:06.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ... answers that |
| 01:06.16 | Shadowed | Why exactly do you need say, classic quest data loaded |
| 01:06.22 | Shadowed | when you're questing in wrath zones |
| 01:06.38 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: well, you've got a pair of worries if you get too table/string happy - first is the overhead of the global string table - several large strings is far more memory efficient than many small ones |
| 01:07.01 | kmcguire | ScytheBlade1, Yeah, it is a good thing. =p |
| 01:07.26 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: The second is that yes, you're paying 40 bytes per hash entry - plus the cost of the key/value itself if it's a reference type |
| 01:07.34 | Shadowed | Iriel: Is a table indexed by qID => quest data not more efficient than having to use one large string and string.finding the data in that giant string? |
| 01:07.53 | Iriel | Shadowed: memory wise, no |
| 01:07.55 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, because the complexity of not doing so is huge compared to just not worrying about it |
| 01:08.11 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, string.find() would be painful, but that's why I'm not using find() |
| 01:08.19 | Shadowed | but it is faster thought? |
| 01:08.21 | kmcguire | Shadowed, you are correct if you mean efficent by processor time (CPU resources). |
| 01:08.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's slightly slower to do it this way, yes |
| 01:08.28 | kmcguire | It is faster. |
| 01:08.30 | Iriel | the table would likely be faster, once it's loaded |
| 01:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | however, I don't do DB lookups often |
| 01:08.33 | Iriel | quite a bit, in fact |
| 01:08.39 | Iriel | lua has lookups are very very fast |
| 01:08.42 | Iriel | hasH |
| 01:08.54 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm already un-LZWing each string when looking it up. A proper index is pretty fast compared to that. |
| 01:08.57 | Shadowed | doing the id -> data method for Afflicted since I figured it was faster, good to know that was right :p |
| 01:09.42 | kmcguire | Shadowed, I use a cache too. So that after the first access it is just as fast as using a table. |
| 01:09.47 | Shadowed | yea |
| 01:09.53 | Shadowed | heart metatables |
| 01:10.09 | Iriel | the volatility of the data is obviously important too |
| 01:10.25 | Iriel | if you store volatile data is massive encoded strings then you're going to incur quite a bit of overhead on update |
| 01:10.37 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, zero volatility, it's a read-only database |
| 01:10.45 | kmcguire | Yes, I wrote the code expecting hardly any run-time updates. |
| 01:10.48 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: yes, yours is, 8-) |
| 01:10.52 | ZorbaTHut | well, yes :) |
| 01:10.54 | Shadowed | I didn't find it that bad at least |
| 01:10.55 | kmcguire | And, writes are directed into the cache if so. |
| 01:11.15 | kmcguire | I figured it is static for a reason. |
| 01:11.30 | Shadowed | for a quest data recording mod I had it write any tables that were modified back into the DB at logout |
| 01:11.36 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: How large are the chunks you LZW (before/after) ? |
| 01:12.02 | Shadowed | so the volatility wasn't much of a problem |
| 01:12.07 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, anywhere from 5 bytes to around 1000, I believe |
| 01:12.09 | Iriel | I'm curious what the source and destination formats are, as well as intermediate storage |
| 01:12.18 | ZorbaTHut | that's after - I haven't gone and figured out "before" in detail |
| 01:12.27 | kmcguire | Oh, not trying to interrupt Iriel, but I do have a compression function that took all your string data down by 60% but it is not Flate encoding. |
| 01:12.31 | ZorbaTHut | I've also got a complicated system rigged up where it pre-loads the LZW tables with common strings |
| 01:12.39 | Iriel | is lzw really that efficient at those sizes, or are you doing something really clever |
| 01:12.41 | Iriel | Ah, the latter 8-) |
| 01:12.45 | ZorbaTHut | clever ;) |
| 01:12.59 | ZorbaTHut | kmc, from what source? did you decompress/recompress, or compress the already-compressed data? |
| 01:13.07 | kmcguire | From my own algorithm. =) |
| 01:13.17 | ZorbaTHut | no, I mean, compressed 60% compared to what? |
| 01:13.31 | tlund | of the around 100 channes I am on, on 11 different networks. this discussion is the most interesting right now. i am such a nerd. |
| 01:13.33 | kmcguire | OriginalSize*0.6=CompressedSize |
| 01:13.41 | ZorbaTHut | define OriginalSize :P |
| 01:13.48 | ZorbaTHut | because my string data is already compressed |
| 01:13.51 | Iriel | kmcguire: what ZorbaTHut is asking is... |
| 01:13.52 | kmcguire | I think it was like 300k. |
| 01:14.00 | ZorbaTHut | is "OriginalSize" my compressed data, or is "originalsize" the decompressed versions? |
| 01:14.15 | Iriel | kmcguire: do you mean you got a 60% compression ratio on the string data you could read, or on the binary compressed data he uses now |
| 01:14.40 | Iriel | I'm ASSUMING the latter, since 60% compression on text is pretty crap |
| 01:15.10 | kmcguire | Iriel, Well, it likely is crap. But, it can take some improvments. |
| 01:15.33 | kmcguire | And, also noting on the fact that you can compression all the little bits since it shares a common set of symboles. |
| 01:15.49 | kmcguire | And, not have to decompress everything just to read a wee little bit of something. |
| 01:15.54 | Iriel | I would expect (as ZorbaTHut exploits) that if you do some analysis you can generate a pretty good pre-load table of common string sub-components |
| 01:16.05 | Iriel | and thus get a very efficient symbol encoding |
| 01:16.29 | kmcguire | Well, I would love to see his code when it is done. It would be awesome. |
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| 01:16.42 | kmcguire | A good learning experience for me. |
| 01:16.58 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: do you use strings for your actual stored DB? |
| 01:17.27 | Iriel | String-as-a- byte-stream essentially? |
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| 01:20.04 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, right now I've got a kind of complex system - the DB consists of a series of layered databases. Each of those is split into categories ("monster", "item", "quest"). Each of those contains an index string, a data string, two compression-related strings, and lookups for anything that couldn't fit into the index (integers <= 0 and string indices, basically) |
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| 01:20.26 | ZorbaTHut | the lookup from that stage is also a string, which is decompressed via the two decompression string data chunks, then loadstring'ed to form the actual table |
| 01:21.25 | Iriel | Hm, if your chunks are 5-1000 bytes in size, it sounds like you have a *LOT* of tiny pieces here |
| 01:21.27 | ZorbaTHut | in theory, you end up with under a hundred strings for the entire database, which seems worth the overhead for the sake of simplicity. |
| 01:21.37 | Iriel | Or was that size for something else? |
| 01:21.42 | ZorbaTHut | but that's post-kmc, before that I had a ton of little strings for the lookup |
| 01:21.49 | ZorbaTHut | and in that case, yeah, I had probably 100k+ strings. |
| 01:21.51 | Iriel | ah |
| 01:22.02 | Iriel | i'm curious where you put the intermediate data while you're decompressing? |
| 01:22.12 | ZorbaTHut | just in memory, I don't bother caching intermediates |
| 01:22.16 | ZorbaTHut | I cache the final table output |
| 01:22.27 | Iriel | that, as I see it, is the worst thing about doing LHZ (or any other such thing) in lua |
| 01:22.41 | Iriel | I dont mean the result, I meant the data that becomes the string you loadstring |
| 01:23.01 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I just let the garbage collector take care of it eventually. Not much else I can do :P |
| 01:23.16 | Iriel | so you do lots of a = a .. b; ? |
| 01:23.20 | ZorbaTHut | I end up with a few strings hanging around waiting for garbage collection, but I don't decompress stuff in bulk at any point besides loadtime, and I trigger the GC manually before that |
| 01:23.26 | Iriel | Or do you play tricks with temp tables and concat? |
| 01:23.36 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a merger that does it in a more efficient manner - tricks with temp tables, basically |
| 01:24.14 | ZorbaTHut | I think the slow part ends up being table lookups, though I haven't benchmarked it - it's not a major CPU drain at the moment. |
| 01:25.10 | ZorbaTHut | (table lookups within LZW, mostly) |
| 01:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple are sheeples. Saying "it doesn't work" is like saying absolutely nothing. FFS people. RAWR. |
| 01:25.49 | Iriel | I suspect it'd be interesting to do some benchmarks around where the tradeoff point is in terms of DB granularity |
| 01:26.14 | Iriel | If you have two few 'packs' of data then you spam the crap out of memory and the GC during unpacking |
| 01:26.40 | Iriel | if you have too many then you run into the hash/string table overhead issue |
| 01:27.00 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy had a guy post "It doesn't work" then when I asked him for more info he said "It doesn't work, so I uninstalled it" |
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| 01:28.30 | kmcguire | serialized linked list |
| 01:28.58 | Lopeppeppy | Well yeah, things not installed don't frakkin' work, next customer please.... :) |
| 01:30.55 | kmcguire | I am not sure, but the method I am using is likely freakin fast. I mean it is essentially just a linked list. It has indirect pointers. You just jump around. |
| 01:32.05 | ZorbaTHut | linked list is O(n) though |
| 01:32.22 | kmcguire | What is Lua using for tables? |
| 01:32.58 | kmcguire | It is using some type of a linked list, maybe a hybrid. An linked list of arrays. Maybe it optimizes. |
| 01:33.18 | ZorbaTHut | binary search at worst. hash table, I believe. |
| 01:33.31 | ZorbaTHut | there's no way it's linked list. |
| 01:33.36 | Kaso| | i think it depends on how the table is indexed |
| 01:33.39 | Tuller | a table is an array, or a table is a hash, or a table is an array and a hash and a magician |
| 01:33.42 | kmcguire | Oh, you got me there. I forgot about the hashes. |
| 01:34.12 | kmcguire | ZorbaTHut, if you worrying about access time that much then you are in trouble to begin with mabye? |
| 01:34.45 | kmcguire | Well, that is a out there statement. Do not answer it, lol. |
| 01:35.10 | ZorbaTHut | the difference between O(n) with 50k elements in a scripting language that uses bithackery to check each element, and O(1) in C++, is a pretty huge difference ;) |
| 01:35.26 | ZorbaTHut | that said, it's easy enough to make it O(log n) by tossing a binary tree in (that's what I'm doing) |
| 01:35.40 | ZorbaTHut | and that's easily fast enough. |
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| 01:36.49 | Iriel | lua uses a hybrid array/hash |
| 01:36.56 | kmcguire | Well, if it is so easy then lets burn right through that 1/3 of your implement you have left. |
| 01:37.04 | kmcguire | implementation |
| 01:37.06 | Iriel | if you create a pure array then you get O(1) access |
| 01:37.09 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually finished the thing :P |
| 01:37.19 | kmcguire | That is awesome. |
| 01:37.26 | ZorbaTHut | works pretty well, it's down to around 3mb of usage for the database |
| 01:37.52 | ZorbaTHut | I'm gonna do a bunch of testing, and release it as part of the Monday 1.0 release (which, tempting fate here, but hey) |
| 01:37.55 | Iriel | lua's worst case lookup is a hash |
| 01:38.00 | Seerah | airtonix: I'm sorry - I haven't gotten any coding done since then :( |
| 01:38.15 | Iriel | the only thing that gets binary-searchish would be the # operator on a sparse array |
| 01:39.03 | kmcguire | ZorbaTHut, Well that is a job well done. It am very glad that you were able to get it down that low and still have the performance. Very good job. =) |
| 01:39.31 | kmcguire | gives ZorbaTHut a pat on the back and a handshake. |
| 01:39.51 | ZorbaTHut | Seems to be workin' pretty well, from what little testing I've done :) |
| 01:41.58 | kmcguire | Oh, where did you get 50k elements from? |
| 01:42.10 | kmcguire | Is there a single table that contains that many or is that a total? |
| 01:42.21 | ZorbaTHut | it's just an estimate, really. It might be an overestimate |
| 01:42.29 | kmcguire | No, you are close. |
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| 01:42.37 | kmcguire | There are around 36k string elements. |
| 01:43.27 | kmcguire | But, the great thing about it is. That your entire static data structure was already a binary tree. |
| 01:43.51 | kmcguire | Ok, I got to go. |
| 01:43.55 | kd3 | whee |
| 01:43.55 | ZorbaTHut | eh? no it wasn't, it was just a few tables :P |
| 01:43.59 | ZorbaTHut | 2 elements deep at most |
| 01:44.09 | kd3 | fark: "Canadians cheer as Tim Hortons announces 180 new stores to open, but the crowd turns ugly as they also mention the price of coffee and donuts may increase. Currently Vancouver, Toronto, Winnipeg and Halifax are burning [Obvious]" |
| 01:44.37 | kmcguire | ZorbaTHut, really. Well, just not a deep binary tree then. |
| 01:44.54 | kmcguire | I was thinking about when you were saying O(n) with 50k elements using bit hackery. |
| 01:45.23 | kmcguire | Ok, I got to go. Later. |
| 01:45.27 | Iriel | if I was implementing a binary tree in lua i'm not sure i'd use tables, I sure as hell wouldn't use nested hash tables |
| 01:45.40 | Iriel | nested arrays, MAYBE |
| 01:45.41 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, I've got my little string-based binary tree ;) |
| 01:45.52 | ZorbaTHut | just one string with the binary tree structure embedded in it |
| 01:46.30 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: that's not too bad, probably 8-) |
| 01:46.37 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: depending on how easy it is to move between nodes |
| 01:46.42 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually got a heap in another location, also based on a single table. Works pretty well. |
| 01:47.32 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, lots of strbyte() calls ;) |
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| 02:09.50 | kd3 | http://www.who.int/csr/don/GlobalSubnationalMaster_20090509_0805.jpg |
| 02:10.19 | Kraft | technically getting it now could be a good thing |
| 02:11.27 | Dagmar | kd3: Thankfully this is turning out to be slightly less dangerous than SARS |
| 02:11.36 | kd3 | just slightly |
| 02:11.39 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:12.43 | Kirov_ | Unfortunately, unlike SARS, this one doesn't seem to be cured by chicken noodle soup and sprite. |
| 02:13.55 | Kirov | too soon? |
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| 02:23.14 | Kraft | lets have flu parties, everyoen get together and get flu so we're all immune for the next wave |
| 02:23.15 | Kraft | :P |
| 02:24.28 | Iriel | I heard that Shirik invented the swine flue |
| 02:24.30 | Iriel | flu |
| 02:24.45 | Shirik | It was actually a bug in one of my apps |
| 02:25.27 | Iriel | At least you're man enough to admit it |
| 02:25.49 | Shirik | Hey, Apple confirmed my bug today! |
| 02:25.59 | Shirik | Where's your all-amazing software corporation now?! |
| 02:26.10 | Shirik | :) |
| 02:26.42 | Shirik | however, I do have to admit, I'm surprised apple has a bug report system |
| 02:26.44 | Iriel | Which software did they break this time? |
| 02:26.48 | Shirik | Their JVM |
| 02:27.00 | Iriel | I reported a bug in Aperture and got an email from their dev folks the next day |
| 02:27.10 | Shirik | Their crypto library tries to load native libraries without wrapping it in a doPrivileged() call |
| 02:27.14 | Iriel | Sadly they didn't fix it in their next release, but hey, at least they care |
| 02:27.31 | Iriel | (and I switched to LightRoom, because it uses lua, acttually no, because it wasn't broken and I got a copy for free) |
| 02:29.09 | Dagmar | For a moment there I thought you were talking about the portal gun |
| 02:30.17 | Iriel | Dagmar: heh, no, apple's photo management software |
| 02:30.43 | Iriel | Dagmar: which I'll note is really cool, and has WAY better collection management capabilities than lightroom, it unfortunately has some issues with the RAW format for my camera, which si a bit of a dealbreaker |
| 02:30.46 | Shirik | LightRoom == portal gun? |
| 02:30.48 | Shirik | How did you get that? |
| 02:30.53 | Dagmar | "Aperture" |
| 02:30.55 | Iriel | Aperture -> Aperture Science -> Portal |
| 02:31.10 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:31.35 | Kraft | :P |
| 02:31.35 | Shirik | that reminds me |
| 02:31.37 | Shirik | I need a new camera :( |
| 02:31.39 | Kirov | We do what we must, because we can. |
| 02:31.44 | Dagmar | Bugzilla report #1231: I opened a portal in the floor and another in my desk chair so I could grab my own butt and now I'm stuck in mid-air with no way to let goooo! |
| 02:32.01 | Kaso| | lol |
| 02:32.17 | Iriel | Shirik: You should buy a couple of high end medium format digital ones, and give one to me |
| 02:32.22 | Iriel | Shirik: 8-) |
| 02:32.28 | Shirik | didn't you just get a new camera... |
| 02:32.41 | Iriel | Yes, but it's 35mm |
| 02:32.47 | Shirik | really?! |
| 02:32.52 | Shirik | I thought you hated film! |
| 02:32.52 | Iriel | Well, no, it's DX |
| 02:32.54 | Iriel | but you know what I mean |
| 02:32.56 | Iriel | Digital |
| 02:32.59 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:33.01 | Iriel | I dont hate film |
| 02:33.06 | Iriel | I just find it unnecessary |
| 02:33.21 | Iriel | medium format would be interesting though, different gear, larger sensors |
| 02:33.57 | Iriel | http://www.adorama.com/HSH3D392.html?sid=1241922827821735 |
| 02:34.03 | Shirik | problem is whe nI get a new camera |
| 02:34.06 | Shirik | I have to replace EVERYTHING |
| 02:34.16 | Shirik | I don't even think Konica-Minolta makes camera anymore |
| 02:34.52 | Iriel | They went out of business in 2006 |
| 02:35.26 | Iriel | (out of the camera business anyway) |
| 02:35.40 | Iriel | I hear great things about Canon's stuff, and I'm a fan of Nikon's |
| 02:35.43 | Shirik | which means I can't use my old stuff anymore :P |
| 02:35.45 | Iriel | You've at least got two to choose from |
| 02:35.51 | Shirik | Yeah well teh Canon vs Nikon is something I can't decide |
| 02:35.54 | Shirik | bother are good |
| 02:35.59 | Shirik | I've heard arguments both ways |
| 02:36.26 | Iriel | I was told "you can't really go wrong with either" by a professional camera guy I used to work with |
| 02:36.32 | Iriel | (This was before I got my Nikon) |
| 02:37.33 | Kirov | Which is why I got a Minolta! |
| 02:38.09 | Iriel | Kirov: you trend-breaker you |
| 02:38.41 | Kirov | actually, I used to have a Minolta (real film) camera. Now I have a Canon Powershot. |
| 02:38.48 | Shirik | I still have a Minolta Maxxum 5 |
| 02:38.50 | Shirik | I love it to death |
| 02:38.57 | Shirik | but Iriel's right, I do need to give up and go digital |
| 02:39.46 | Dagmar | Digital makes sources of heat interesting |
| 02:39.56 | Kirov | I just don't do any photography anymore, and what little I do is usually for use as reference for something digital I'm doing anyways. |
| 02:40.26 | Dagmar | I had a picture of some stuff I was doing with Shrinky DInks that got me mails about how I "modded" my oven |
| 02:40.30 | Kirov | Hell, IMAX movies aren't necessarily shot on film anymore. |
| 02:40.41 | Dagmar | ...because the heating element appeared to be a vivid purple |
| 02:40.50 | Corrodias | awesome |
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| 02:42.41 | Iriel | Dagmar: some manufacturers skimp out and forget to include IR filters |
| 02:43.30 | Dagmar | This camera has one, it's just not all that great |
| 02:43.56 | Corrodias | oh man, Iriel, for some reason, i thought you mean filters on the OVEN. |
| 02:44.09 | Corrodias | i couldn't figure out why they'd do that |
| 02:45.21 | Kirov | Corrodias - to protect you from the harmful radio-thermal waves being emitted by your oven. |
| 02:45.56 | Kirov | Those heating elements are actually designed by the goverment to reprogram your brain and make you buy stuff! |
| 02:46.13 | Corrodias | oh good, that explains it |
| 02:46.53 | Kirov | This is why I microwave all my food with the microwave oven door open. It negates the mind altering effects of the heating coils. |
| 02:50.15 | Iriel | That explains so much |
| 02:55.06 | Kraft | didnt some old lady sue a microwave manufacture for not including instructions not to dry her poodle in it? |
| 02:57.13 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 02:58.30 | Cairenn | I love this site for exactly that sort of reason: http://www.rinkworks.com/said/warnings.shtml |
| 03:03.52 | Kraft | does the US suggestions forum ever get blue replies? |
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| 03:04.48 | Kraft | (its not a rhetorical question, im on EU) |
| 03:08.08 | kd3 | no |
| 03:08.19 | kd3 | deliberately, as per the one sticky in the forum |
| 03:08.41 | Kirov | I wish most products would just put a warning on the side "WARNING: DO NOT USE THIS PRODUCT IF YOU ARE A COMPLETE FUCKING MORON." |
| 03:10.12 | Kraft | the forums arent working, for me at least |
| 03:10.24 | Kirov | Court cases would be far more entertaining then. "Your honor, I move to have this case thrown out on account of our opponent being a complete fucking moron. " "Motion granted. Case dismissed." |
| 03:10.39 | Kraft | i agree with that |
| 03:11.47 | Kraft | there was a guy in my area who 'observed a crack in the pavement' for 8 months without telling the council, he then tripped over it and got £4000 compensation |
| 03:16.07 | Shirik | "Fragile. Do not drop." -- Posted on a Boeing 757. |
| 03:16.09 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:16.19 | Shirik | I'm going to assume that was supposed to be for one of the parts |
| 03:16.21 | Shirik | not for the whole thing |
| 03:17.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:17.36 | kd3 | though dropping a whole plane's probably a bad idea too |
| 03:19.33 | Kirov | I was on an Air Trans flight that it seemed otherwise |
| 03:20.02 | Kaso | This is interesting; in response to the O() order of lua tables etc we had earlier i wrote quick script to do some timing, and its been running for a few hours |
| 03:20.33 | Kaso | this chart is the time to do 10million removes from a hash-indexed lua table |
| 03:20.36 | Kaso | http://imgur.com/JSdt.png |
| 03:20.46 | Kaso | time on the y, number of elements on x |
| 03:21.06 | kd3 | ponders |
| 03:21.12 | Kaso | (x is the number of elements after the 1 removes |
| 03:23.36 | Iriel | Kaso: did you disable the GC during your test? |
| 03:23.54 | Kaso | ah, i did not actually |
| 03:24.13 | Iriel | Also, are you ONLY removing? |
| 03:24.16 | Iriel | or do you add as well? |
| 03:24.27 | Kaso | i first add then remove |
| 03:24.35 | Iriel | but you only time the remove? |
| 03:24.44 | Kaso | no i have timed the add as well |
| 03:25.20 | Iriel | Maybe you should post your test code so we know what you're ACTUALLY measuring? |
| 03:25.48 | Kaso | heh perhaps that'd be a good idea |
| 03:26.01 | Iriel | it's easy to accidently include overhead like the string table if you're not careful |
| 03:26.52 | Kaso | it was just a little play around anyhoo rather than anything meant to be scientific |
| 03:27.03 | Kaso | the add was interesting somewhat as well; http://imgur.com/JSk.png |
| 03:27.08 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/113908 |
| 03:27.09 | Kaso | code |
| 03:30.26 | Shirik | ow. |
| 03:30.34 | Shirik | Enchant drops, 2 enchanters roll for it |
| 03:30.41 | Shirik | First rolls a 1, second rolls a 100 |
| 03:31.34 | haste | http://beverpung.net/images/games/wow/temp/WoWScrnShot_012909_222107.jpg comes to mind |
| 03:31.39 | Zyndrome | the 1'er wins |
| 03:31.45 | Iriel | Kaso: so, the big spikes on your add are twofold |
| 03:31.55 | haste | that's after someone betting 100g on hovalt rolling one :P |
| 03:32.09 | Iriel | kaso: One is the re-allocation and copy every time you exceed the size of your test table (which gets progressively slower as it doubles the table size each time) |
| 03:32.23 | Iriel | Kaso: Another will be the same thing for the string table |
| 03:32.43 | Iriel | (Assuming it's a hash you're creating, in the latter case) |
| 03:33.26 | Iriel | Your remove test introduces quite a bit of string hashing |
| 03:33.48 | Iriel | I'd suggest creating an initial table of the keys you'll be using (an array with i as the key and "_" .. i as the value) |
| 03:33.58 | Iriel | that will prime the string table |
| 03:35.30 | Kaso | I shall try that, see how things change. And perhaps another test with some thought to the GC too |
| 03:35.45 | Kaso | I do say regardless of the useful of this i find it rather interesting |
| 03:35.54 | Iriel | Your add graph is roughly what I'd expect, though |
| 03:36.19 | Iriel | Your remove is a bit flawed because you nil non-existant entries |
| 03:36.44 | Kaso | yah that is true |
| 03:37.02 | Iriel | and that will cause it to re-allocate the table under certain conditions |
| 03:37.16 | Iriel | which is why you see the spikes at powers of two |
| 03:38.03 | Iriel | i'm not entirely sure why you dont see them at earlier places, possibly that's a function of your GC settings |
| 03:55.44 | Shirik | you know what we need |
| 03:55.49 | Shirik | an RSA library for WoW |
| 03:55.59 | Shirik | so you can perform SSL encryption over addon chat |
| 03:56.19 | Shirik | fox |
| 03:56.21 | Shirik | bah |
| 03:56.22 | Shirik | where's foxlit |
| 03:57.45 | Kirov | You could just use the chat safe LZW compression lib I wrote like 2 years ago. |
| 03:58.03 | Shirik | but that's not encryption |
| 03:58.19 | Kirov | Really though, why do you need encription? |
| 03:58.37 | Shirik | well I was sitting here thinking about our silent auction mod I'm working on |
| 03:58.37 | Kirov | SendAddonMessage whisper |
| 03:58.50 | Shirik | ah I guess I could do that |
| 03:58.59 | Kirov | Broadcast out, whisper in |
| 03:59.05 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:59.15 | Shirik | I keep forgetting about whisper since it didn't always exist :/ |
| 04:21.30 | Adys | From slashdot |
| 04:21.31 | Adys | "It's a big deal, because google has jumped the shark and become a big company" |
| 04:21.36 | Adys | Gee. |
| 04:21.50 | Osagasu | ...huh? |
| 04:21.58 | Osagasu | Google has been a big company for a long time. |
| 04:22.06 | Adys | Barely a couple of weeks. |
| 04:22.25 | Tem | wha? |
| 04:22.38 | Adys | Tem: It says Google has become a big company |
| 04:22.39 | Osagasu | Google has been a big company since they got enough $$ to purchase other companies. |
| 04:22.40 | Adys | didnt you hear |
| 04:24.34 | Kirov | They took down the "Don't Be Evil" sign? |
| 04:31.05 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: there was an AES library |
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| 04:59.45 | Cairenn | Torhal: I giggle every time I approve that mod - it always makes me think of shampoo and conditioner |
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| 05:03.38 | Torhal | Cairenn: Hehehe, I almost didn't name it that because of that reason. |
| 05:03.45 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:03.48 | Torhal | Then I thought "Well, you have a library called LibQTip..." |
| 05:03.50 | Cairenn | it is an appropriate name for it |
| 05:03.58 | Cairenn | just makes me giggle is all |
| 05:04.01 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 05:04.13 | Kirov | ...? |
| 05:04.19 | Torhal | Kirov: Volumizer |
| 05:04.31 | Kirov | what's it do? |
| 05:04.42 | Torhal | QUick volume control panel. |
| 05:04.52 | Torhal | Either via slashcmds or LDB |
| 05:05.02 | Kirov | ah |
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| 05:15.57 | Arrowmaster | wtf? i just refreshed slashdot and there was a side box that said "Disable Advertising" checkbox "As a thanks for your contributions to the slashdot community you are elegible to disable advertisements" or something like that |
| 05:16.14 | Iriel | Probably a virus 8-) |
| 05:16.38 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Eligible? Uh-huh. What Iriel said. |
| 05:16.50 | Iriel | Was it because you where the 1,000,000'th visitor? |
| 05:16.53 | Torhal | "No, fuck that! I _want_ adverts!" |
| 05:17.14 | Arrowmaster | you guys bitch enough about my spelling that you should know that was my mistake and not from it directly |
| 05:17.53 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Actually, you spelled eligible correctly |
| 05:18.05 | Arrowmaster | oh i did? |
| 05:18.07 | Torhal | I was just saying, if you were eligible, why didn't they just auto-disable? |
| 05:18.09 | Torhal | Yup. |
| 05:18.11 | Iriel | no, you didn't |
| 05:18.20 | Iriel | you said 'elegible' |
| 05:18.22 | Torhal | Oh |
| 05:18.27 | Iriel | I was at least mocking just the IDEA |
| 05:18.30 | Torhal | Wow. I auto-corrected without thinking. |
| 05:18.33 | Iriel | I didn't notice the typo |
| 05:18.41 | Iriel | I tend to assume it's just IRC-finger-typo |
| 05:19.44 | Arrowmaster | "Ads Disabled" checkbox-checked "Thanks again for helping make Slashdot great" |
| 05:19.59 | Cairenn | Iriel: http://xkcd.com/570/ |
| 05:20.14 | Iriel | Cairenn: exactly |
| 05:20.18 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:20.18 | Torhal | ...WTF are you doing on SlashDot? FIxing Taco's perl? |
| 05:20.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont know wtf |
| 05:20.47 | Arrowmaster | i havent done shit except read articles recently |
| 05:20.51 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 05:21.01 | Arrowmaster | and ive only got a 6 digit uid |
| 05:21.39 | Torhal | Gah. I wonder if I can even access mine anymore...haven't signed in since around 1999 and I definitely don't have the same e-mail addy. |
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| 05:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I found out some time ago that I have over 1000 posts there |
| 05:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Which scared me |
| 05:22.39 | Arrowmaster | that scares me too |
| 05:24.14 | Arrowmaster | i havent even posted a comment since 2007 |
| 05:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | My posting slowed down a LOT once I didn't have the required high school computer class on my schedule |
| 05:25.28 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 05:25.44 | Arrowmaster | although i didnt post much then either but i was actually reading comments back then |
| 05:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ~translate fr en la fonction majuscule est commande de croisière pour frais |
| 05:27.21 | Jamash | machine translation sometimes works one way, but rarely works back the other |
| 05:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#fr|en|la%20fonction%20majuscule%20est%20commande%20de%20croisi%C3%A8re%20pour%20frais worked |
| 05:27.40 | Jamash | I'm not sure I call that working. |
| 05:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It worked /better/ |
| 05:28.25 | Jamash | or at least it failed better |
| 05:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 05:28.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Perhaps |
| 05:43.53 | Shirik | omfg you guys are still talking about htis? |
| 05:44.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I just noticed it |
| 05:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | "still" is relative |
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| 06:12.55 | Shirik | ok I'm not liking Trac I think - the fact that users don't log in to post tickets bothers me |
| 06:13.11 | Shirik | Bugzilla I also don't like - there doesn't seem to be a way to actually develop a roadmap based on milestones |
| 06:13.23 | Shirik | This isn't exactly a complex question; there should be a solution out there :( |
| 06:13.30 | Shirik | Of course, Jira's the solution I want but not the one I can have |
| 06:13.42 | Shirik | or I could just bite the bullet and shell out $1200 but I don't want to do that |
| 06:13.44 | Iriel | Why can't you have it? |
| 06:13.55 | Shirik | Because I'd have to pay for it |
| 06:14.00 | Iriel | Why? |
| 06:14.09 | Shirik | for a license? |
| 06:14.41 | Iriel | Is this for a large closed project? |
| 06:14.49 | Shirik | it's for Minion |
| 06:15.21 | Iriel | Ah.. never mind then 8-) |
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| 06:27.51 | Fisker- | hadouken |
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| 06:34.06 | freki | hey would anyone be able to assist me with regex patterns? |
| 06:34.42 | Shirik | oh my life |
| 06:34.46 | Shirik | general chat in WG |
| 06:34.53 | Shirik | "Attack different area" |
| 06:34.53 | batrick | freki: Lua patterns? |
| 06:34.58 | Shirik | "Not 4 different holes" |
| 06:35.01 | Shirik | "It was like a bad porno" |
| 06:37.47 | Corrodias | smirk |
| 06:39.54 | freki | yes batrick; i have one working in my mod but i need to modify it and am not so good at it (even after reading guides) |
| 06:40.29 | batrick | Well ask your question and pastey (bad) code for us to look at. |
| 06:41.38 | Thunder_Child | i'll pastey your face batrick |
| 06:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what -exactly- do you want out of a "roadmap"? A link would be great |
| 06:43.08 | Shirik | I found the old bugtracker I used and loved |
| 06:43.17 | Shirik | http://www.mantisbt.org/demo/roadmap_page.php |
| 06:43.21 | Shirik | That's what I want out of a roadmap |
| 06:43.25 | Shirik | and mantis is <3 |
| 06:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bugzilla has a similar function which would work |
| 06:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | But mantis may work will |
| 06:43.56 | freki | batrick: http://www.pastey.net/113911 gives what i'm using now and the problem i'm running into (issue with another mod using SetItemRef different from default ui) |
| 06:44.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I've used it before, but hate the filtering/searching with a passion |
| 06:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It is... unintuitive |
| 06:44.20 | Shirik | be honest |
| 06:44.25 | Shirik | users don't search for bugs before posting |
| 06:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean as an admin |
| 06:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | bugzilla /may/ be better for a user |
| 06:44.49 | ScytheBlade1 | They get a simple search box, and have to work for advanced filtering |
| 06:46.55 | Shirik | I figured it out |
| 06:47.00 | Shirik | I need to get a job at atlassian |
| 06:47.16 | Shirik | that way I can work with Jira 24/7 and be happy |
| 06:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=463582 |
| 06:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: milestones, dep trees/graphs, products, targets, etc |
| 06:50.14 | Shirik | that seems a bit overkill :P |
| 06:50.20 | Shirik | albeit interesting |
| 06:50.28 | Shirik | I'll be blatantly honest, I just don't like the look of bugzilla |
| 06:50.31 | Shirik | never have |
| 06:50.43 | ScytheBlade1 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ |
| 06:50.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks pretty |
| 06:50.53 | Shirik | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Core&product=Firefox&product=MailNews+Core&product=SeaMonkey&product=Thunderbird&product=Toolkit&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED,NEW,ASSIGNED,REOPENED,RESOLVED&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-24h |
| 06:50.55 | Shirik | er |
| 06:50.59 | Shirik | wow that's a long link |
| 06:51.04 | Shirik | but I just clicked the "new issues" link |
| 06:51.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:51.10 | Shirik | anyway ^ not pretty |
| 06:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Good thing that doesn't totally matter! |
| 06:51.37 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:51.44 | Shirik | that's where you act 90% of the time! |
| 06:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a bit plain, but it'll do everything you need/want it to and then some |
| 06:51.54 | Shirik | but it has to be pretty :( |
| 06:51.59 | Shirik | Do you know why I switched to vista? |
| 06:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 06:52.05 | Shirik | It was not the increased security |
| 06:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Not for UAC I'd imagine, or the-- yeah |
| 06:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 06:52.11 | Shirik | it was shiny |
| 06:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Sigh |
| 06:52.32 | Shirik | That being said, I recently found this song |
| 06:52.33 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYEVYnuuME |
| 06:52.35 | Shirik | and it's awesome |
| 06:54.26 | Fisker- | so Wobin |
| 06:54.29 | Fisker- | your time is almost up |
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| 07:02.34 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 | Don't forget to call your Mom today |
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| 07:03.58 | End | I read Mom as Rum at first. |
| 07:04.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:04.17 | End | no, I did not have a trouble childhood! stop asking me that! |
| 07:05.09 | airtonix | Matriarchal Overlord Moderator |
| 07:05.20 | airtonix | Metric Unit Man |
| 07:05.28 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:10.44 | alama | can one get the current server date? |
| 07:10.51 | alama | it looks like there's no api function for that |
| 07:11.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be in the calendar API if nothing else |
| 07:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetDate |
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| 07:12.39 | alama | you're right -- CalendarGetDate |
| 07:12.41 | alama | thanks |
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| 07:25.30 | Fisker- | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:30.12 | Shirik | here ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:30.15 | Shirik | I bet bugzilla can't do this |
| 07:30.25 | Shirik | mantis can twitter |
| 07:31.01 | Fisker- | twitter is shit |
| 07:31.48 | alama | ? |
| 07:32.10 | Trela | Twitter is Shitter! |
| 07:32.27 | Trela | ShitBook, ShitSpace, and Shitter. |
| 07:33.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: bugzilla is written in perl, for which there is a twitter module |
| 07:33.13 | Shirik | it's written in perl |
| 07:33.15 | Shirik | automatic bad |
| 07:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It would be somewhat... simple, to fix (or in my opinion, break) that |
| 07:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Automatic bad? Well, then whatever |
| 07:33.39 | Shirik | :P |
| 07:33.45 | Shirik | I just don't like perl :) |
| 07:33.46 | Fisker- | fuck yeah Trela |
| 07:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't either |
| 07:33.52 | Shirik | it's a great language for text processing |
| 07:33.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's simple to setup |
| 07:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | +ExecCGI in apache, done |
| 07:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Well keep in mind what the web is |
| 07:34.08 | Shirik | it was never supposed t obe, nor should it be, a fully-featured scripting language |
| 07:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ... text processing |
| 07:34.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Large amounts of text processing |
| 07:34.21 | Shirik | if you're going to argue that then you could say anything is text processing |
| 07:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Only to a point |
| 07:35.08 | alama | everything is a computable function! |
| 07:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The web in specific is massive amounts of text |
| 07:35.14 | alama | go turing |
| 07:36.10 | End | I'll just take my infinite length tape and go, kthx. |
| 07:37.27 | batrick | made a cron job to watch for batbot's death and is now content. |
| 07:37.42 | Shirik | http://xkcd.com/505/ |
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| 08:14.02 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 08:14.06 | Shirik | I love vbulletin |
| 08:14.10 | Shirik | After much intense calculation, it has been decided that your thread is already in the forum that you wish to move it to. |
| 08:14.10 | Shirik | Deep Thought should be jealous. |
| 08:14.41 | Fisker- | http://i40.tinypic.com/2iw0j92.jpg |
| 08:27.04 | Dezzimal | Shirik: don't try merging multiple threads into a thread with over a million posts ever |
| 08:27.23 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:28.44 | Dezzimal | someone thought it would be funny to merge an entire subforum worth of posts (about 300,000 posts or so) into a single thread |
| 08:29.13 | Dezzimal | on another forum, aparently vbulletin or the database or the machine itself couldn't handle that |
| 08:29.16 | Dezzimal | and the entire forum was lost |
| 08:29.23 | Dezzimal | entire subforum I should say |
| 08:29.59 | Shirik | nice |
| 08:30.31 | nevcairiel | if you try that, you deserve to lose it |
| 08:30.32 | nevcairiel | imho =P |
| 08:31.01 | Dezzimal | this is what happens when you give 18 year olds mod powers to the subform intended for dicking around |
| 08:31.09 | Trela | mourns the possible loss of Duke Nukem Forever. =;-;= |
| 08:31.12 | Dezzimal | they dick around and eventually break things :/ |
| 08:32.05 | Kirov | Trela - I morned the loss of the last 4 Duke Nukem Forevers they didn't bother to release that might of saved them. |
| 08:33.47 | Trela | There was that interview done saying that the Xbox 360 and PC versions were pretty close to being ready and then suddenly they close. |
| 08:35.11 | Kirov | They've been saying it's close to done for 12 years. |
| 08:35.58 | Dezzimal | On the upside |
| 08:36.16 | Dezzimal | DNF not being released ensured the survival of the whole halo franchise, start to current |
| 08:36.59 | Dezzimal | I figure the next halo game will come out |
| 08:37.03 | Dezzimal | before DNF is finished |
| 08:37.21 | Kirov | DNF most likely will come out now. |
| 08:37.32 | Kirov | But done by some random company. |
| 08:37.48 | Dezzimal | nah it'll find its way into indie development hell |
| 08:37.59 | Dezzimal | by the guys who have been working on it the whole time |
| 08:38.01 | Dezzimal | "working" |
| 08:38.14 | End | who owns the duke nukem franchise now? wasn't it 2k games? |
| 08:38.20 | Dezzimal | apogee |
| 08:38.23 | Dezzimal | I think |
| 08:38.32 | Kirov | THQ |
| 08:38.44 | Kirov | Apogee == 3dRealms, same company. |
| 08:38.58 | End | apogee -was- 3d Realms, but they decided 3d realms was a better overall brand name |
| 08:39.12 | Dezzimal | http://twitter.com/ApogeeSoftware |
| 08:39.20 | Kirov | Apogee was the publisher arm of 3drealms even now. |
| 08:39.27 | Kirov | They're still around. |
| 08:39.31 | Dezzimal | 3D Realms (legal name Apogee Software, Ltd.) |
| 08:39.34 | Dezzimal | I guess so :/ |
| 08:39.38 | Kirov | But the dev side is gone. |
| 08:40.10 | End | ah, I guess you're right |
| 08:40.30 | End | I thought they completely abandoned the apogee name for a while though |
| 08:40.34 | End | but maybe I was wrong |
| 08:41.29 | Kirov | They did |
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| 08:42.25 | Dezzimal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55mUifD8SA aparently someone has unpublished footage >_> |
| 08:42.35 | Trela | just finished watching that. |
| 08:42.39 | End | oh |
| 08:42.52 | End | well, publishing rights of DNF belong to Take-Two |
| 08:42.59 | End | (still) |
| 08:43.04 | Trela | Looking at that, the game looks great. |
| 08:43.58 | Kirov | I knew someone who worked there for the duration of two games. Both times they'd almost get it done, maybe a month or two to finish, and those "in charge" would make them change to a new engine. |
| 08:44.19 | Kirov | They quit because they got tired of having to redo everything again. |
| 08:44.36 | End | that's unfortunate |
| 08:44.55 | Kirov | He's at Valve now, so it worked out for him. |
| 08:46.00 | Arrowmaster | thats why guns and the term 'going postal' exist |
| 08:46.09 | Arrowmaster | you shoot the stupid management |
| 08:46.42 | Arrowmaster | because they obviously dont know shit about what you are really doing |
| 08:46.44 | Trela | I can understand the reason behind the first engine switch to newer technology. The more recent ones are stupid. |
| 08:46.55 | Dezzimal | did you guys read the supposed story of why duke actually was taking this long to come out? |
| 08:47.14 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:48.08 | Dezzimal | http://gamingisstupid.com/2007/12/17/the-chair-story-original/ possibly fake, but I want to believe |
| 08:48.48 | Dezzimal | you can scroll about halfway down or more |
| 08:48.51 | Dezzimal | and get the meat of it |
| 08:49.49 | Dezzimal | For everyone who is interested in a hopefully interesting fictionalization of the reason DNF took so long, feel free to click the link at the very top. |
| 08:50.01 | Dezzimal | yeah definitely fake then according to the latest post on that blog |
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| 08:59.13 | Kirov | hmm |
| 09:02.46 | Kirov | There's a lot of truth in that post, the last half of it I find very unplausable. |
| 09:05.09 | Dezzimal | would be story of the year material if it was true heh |
| 09:07.35 | Kirov | Some of it would explain some of the odd things I know of. |
| 09:07.59 | Kirov | I've met pretty much everyone talked about in that personally. |
| 09:08.09 | Kirov | A few know me. |
| 09:08.40 | Kirov | I can honestly say I could see a couple of them doing that for real (they're real bastards), but the others... no way |
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| 10:47.00 | ZorbaTHut | don't suppose anyone who knows the Auctioneer codebase is around? anyone know what function I might call to retrieve the "Last won for Disenchant/Snatch/Vendor" information on an item? |
| 10:47.12 | Fisker- | so Wobin |
| 10:47.15 | Fisker- | has an hour passed yet? |
| 10:52.33 | Wobin | no achievement notice yet |
| 10:52.42 | Wobin | and he's still in Icecrown |
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| 10:56.17 | Fisker- | rage |
| 10:56.18 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 10:57.08 | Wobin | Fisker-: The answer is 'no' |
| 10:57.19 | Wobin | Once you've done the last champion quest, no more dailies available |
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| 11:01.15 | Grum | \o/ \o/ |
| 11:01.43 | Grum | i just did the last normal one, finally \o/ |
| 11:05.48 | Fisker- | baw Wobin :( |
| 11:05.59 | Fisker- | i wonder if you can become a champion with argent crusade |
| 11:06.08 | Fisker- | since you have a argent aspiration buff :=O |
| 11:06.09 | Fisker- | >:O |
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| 11:15.55 | Industrial | hooo ding 0 |
| 11:16.00 | Industrial | 80 even |
| 11:18.45 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarion+Circle&n=Nijadei Behold! Look into the eyes of insanity! |
| 11:20.52 | Jamash | melee spec'd warlock? |
| 11:21.28 | Spellbinder | lol wtf |
| 11:36.18 | tutts | Fisker-: http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2817 |
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| 11:46.41 | Fisker- | slaps tutts around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:57.01 | mikma | Bandage used most - Triage Bandage (98) |
| 11:59.17 | zenzelezz | if the statistic was retroactive, I think my most used would still be Heavy Runecloth |
| 12:01.02 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:01.05 | Wobin | 20 triage bandages |
| 12:09.18 | jnwhiteh | Anyone use Cartographer3 and LightHeaded? If so, would you mind downloading the beta version of LightHeaded that adds support for Cart3 (including a GUI to configure where to send your waypoints) http://www.wowinterf |
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| 12:13.49 | mikma | jnwhiteh: the url got chopped |
| 12:14.02 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 12:14.02 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 12:14.05 | jnwhiteh | its on the beta page |
| 12:14.06 | jnwhiteh | on wowi |
| 12:14.07 | jnwhiteh | for LH |
| 12:15.05 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017#beta |
| 12:15.06 | jnwhiteh | if that helps |
| 12:21.29 | mikma | for the lulz |
| 12:26.23 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/3599345 |
| 12:26.29 | Wobin | interesting =) |
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| 12:27.37 | airtonix | four-horseman: how many of you have done it with actual tanks up the back? |
| 12:27.42 | airtonix | sounds like fail to me |
| 12:28.13 | airtonix | not only actual tanks but these people further seperate the dps on the thane by putting the highest dps up the back with the two tanks |
| 12:28.47 | airtonix | failmite, the opposite to promite and alternative to vegimite |
| 12:31.11 | Wobin | I have on 25man |
| 12:31.26 | Wobin | but it was two tanks with healers |
| 12:31.33 | Wobin | and everyone else up front |
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| 12:46.36 | airtonix | think im developing a healthy hatred of male night elves |
| 12:48.57 | Wobin | Just starting? |
| 12:49.04 | Wobin | It should be well developed by now |
| 12:55.28 | Industrial | oh god, 1.5k dps on my fresh 80 char |
| 12:55.32 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.51 | Industrial | i was doing 5-6 on my shammy lmao |
| 12:56.26 | jnwhiteh | why do you have a new one? |
| 12:57.06 | Industrial | its my hunter on grim batol, dinged 80 an hour or so ago |
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| 13:03.49 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 13:03.52 | jnwhiteh | back to him now? :P |
| 13:05.33 | cncfanatics | Industrial: I know fully heroic geared chars that do 800 dps |
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| 13:06.04 | Industrial | cncfanatics: well I was expecting at least 2k |
| 13:06.13 | Industrial | jnwhiteh: yeah going to raid a bit I hope |
| 13:06.22 | jnwhiteh | lol didn't you just leave a raiding guild? |
| 13:06.37 | Industrial | yeah, but I'm not going it 'hardcore' anymore. once, twice a week |
| 13:06.54 | cncfanatics | once or twice is meh |
| 13:07.01 | cncfanatics | I like raiding around 4 times a week |
| 13:07.03 | cncfanatics | any less feels lacking :p |
| 13:10.55 | Industrial | I dont have the time for that, I used to raid 18 hours a week + 16 hours of work + 40 hours of school ... I kind of messed up a bit at school this year :p |
| 13:11.16 | Industrial | its all blizzards fault! |
| 13:11.32 | Industrial | 32 hours of school* |
| 13:13.26 | cncfanatics | mmm, I have |
| 13:13.27 | cncfanatics | let me count |
| 13:13.41 | cncfanatics | 18 hours of college a week total |
| 13:13.44 | cncfanatics | if I attend all courses |
| 13:15.29 | Wobin | Industrial: 1.5k on an 80 hunter? |
| 13:15.33 | Wobin | what are you doing wrong? |
| 13:15.53 | Wobin | mine just dinged, and does 2.3 at least |
| 13:16.11 | cncfanatics | amount of heirlooms ? :p |
| 13:16.23 | Wobin | they lose their charm once you hit 80 =P |
| 13:16.32 | cncfanatics | not if you just dinged and its that or greens |
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| 13:16.54 | Wobin | I was still doing 2k before any blues =) |
| 13:16.59 | Wobin | mostly cause hunters are op |
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| 13:17.48 | Lopeppeppy | Facebook just tried once again to give me malware. |
| 13:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | If it weren't required for work, that would be the last time I visited there... *growl* |
| 13:18.31 | Wobin | required... for... work? |
| 13:18.35 | cncfanatics | facebook *required* for *work* ? |
| 13:18.37 | cncfanatics | wait, what ? |
| 13:18.57 | Lopeppeppy | It's an alumni networking thing. |
| 13:19.11 | cncfanatics | I'm also wondering how you can get malware from it |
| 13:20.00 | Lopeppeppy | I accidentally clicked on one of the background ad areas, and it started the routine of popus "A virus has been detected, you need to download XXX in order to get that fixed" |
| 13:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | Facebook has had these troubles with ads before. *gentle shrug* I try my best to stay away from them, but every so often the mouse slips. |
| 13:21.51 | Wobin | run adblock =) |
| 13:22.23 | jnwhiteh | actually, that's reasonable on facebook :P |
| 13:22.26 | jnwhiteh | adblock i mean |
| 13:22.32 | Wobin | aye =) |
| 13:22.40 | Lopeppeppy | I'm updating my adblock now as well. ") |
| 13:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | Adblock and NoScript usually work wonders. |
| 13:25.00 | jnwhiteh | Industrial: pwease help meh? |
| 13:25.11 | jnwhiteh | or anyone with a > 40 shaman? |
| 13:25.41 | tutts | Sorry, no shaman at all =/ |
| 13:25.45 | jnwhiteh | I need you to run this: http://pastey.net/113931 |
| 13:25.53 | jnwhiteh | then ItemRefTooltip:SetTotem(1) |
| 13:25.53 | jnwhiteh | 2 |
| 13:25.54 | jnwhiteh | 3 |
| 13:25.56 | jnwhiteh | 4 |
| 13:25.59 | jnwhiteh | and see which element is which slot |
| 13:26.02 | jnwhiteh | since earth is 2, not 1 |
| 13:26.02 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 13:26.23 | mikma | i thought i had them listed |
| 13:26.52 | jnwhiteh | where? |
| 13:28.31 | mikma | earth 2, fire 1, water 3, air 4 |
| 13:28.47 | jnwhiteh | thanks =) |
| 13:28.47 | mikma | that's what i have in my totem addon |
| 13:28.48 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FPoleVault%2FPoleVault.lua |
| 13:29.01 | mikma | for slot,totem in pairs(Totems.spell["Earth"]) do createtotembutton(slot,totem,"PoleVaultEarth",2) <- the number there ^^ |
| 13:29.06 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 13:29.28 | jnwhiteh | what is that addon? |
| 13:29.39 | mikma | oh, also the DB is listed by the positions under unitframe |
| 13:29.58 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_050809_030120.jpg <- the one on bottomleft |
| 13:30.11 | mikma | it just whoops me totems in a movable frames |
| 13:30.14 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 13:30.28 | jnwhiteh | well thanks |
| 13:31.21 | tutts | btw, the bots in the -commits channel... what do they do? |
| 13:31.40 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051009_163029.jpg :) |
| 13:32.21 | jnwhiteh | tutts: report commits? |
| 13:32.46 | tutts | Well yes :P I mean, is there a specific system to it or do they just report everything that happens? |
| 13:33.10 | jnwhiteh | Repo reports commits from curseforge/wowace |
| 13:33.17 | jnwhiteh | CIA reports those commits that he's configured to report |
| 13:33.20 | jnwhiteh | http://cia.vc |
| 13:33.28 | jnwhiteh | wowinterface's svn integrate with cia as well |
| 13:33.38 | jnwhiteh | without needing to manually edit the config on cia |
| 13:33.46 | mikma | jnwhiteh: you know what. i wasn't able to get my ItemRefTooltip to wrap without extra function :D |
| 13:33.57 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 13:34.07 | tutts | ...okay to be honest most of that went straight over my head so I'm just going to smile and nod :3 |
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| 13:34.27 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_050909_191956.jpg |
| 13:34.46 | jnwhiteh | mikma: well it certainly works.. |
| 13:34.47 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i had AddLine(text2,nil,nil,nil,true) |
| 13:34.50 | jnwhiteh | as you can see in my example |
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| 13:35.12 | foxlit | "from 65+70 to 80"? |
| 13:35.26 | foxlit | Wonder how they intend to lose 55 levels. |
| 13:35.33 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i even tried your example, and it works. but didn't work for that addon :D i had to add a wrap-function that i stole from wobin |
| 13:36.43 | Wobin | mine was a gsub function call |
| 13:37.46 | mikma | oh f*** christ.. you know why the wrap didn't work? |
| 13:38.00 | foxlit | because of fail. |
| 13:38.11 | mikma | because i had it like this ItemRefTooltip:AddLine(text,nil,nil,nil,nil,true) |
| 13:39.02 | jnwhiteh | epic fail |
| 13:39.03 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:39.07 | mikma | indeed |
| 13:39.48 | mikma | well, the wrap works now that i saw my fail and fixed it ^^ |
| 13:40.45 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051009_163931.jpg |
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| 13:45.19 | Lopeppeppy | All aboard for Durotar. |
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| 13:49.34 | Etanol | need quick guidance |
| 13:49.54 | Etanol | converted a cd bin to cue, and it dropped ~100mb in size |
| 13:50.09 | Etanol | still correct data? |
| 13:50.31 | CrazyMYKL | cue is just an index type file |
| 13:50.38 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.40 | Industrial | what can I do for you |
| 13:50.44 | Etanol | oh |
| 13:50.46 | Etanol | I mean |
| 13:50.50 | Etanol | cd bin -> .iso |
| 13:50.53 | jnwhiteh | all set, thanks tho! |
| 13:50.53 | Etanol | sorry |
| 13:51.07 | Industrial | k |
| 13:51.22 | CrazyMYKL | likely it was mixed-mode, and you lost the audio part |
| 13:51.30 | Etanol | it was a data disc cd |
| 13:51.32 | Wobin | rofl |
| 13:51.40 | Wobin | Mage hax for Higher Learning |
| 13:51.52 | Wobin | he sits at the Threads of Fate, and MV npcs to check the other locations =P |
| 13:52.12 | foxlit | "mage", "MV"? |
| 13:52.24 | CrazyMYKL | as far as i know, .iso offers no compression |
| 13:52.39 | Wobin | Mage is another word for ... Mage |
| 13:52.43 | tutts | Yes. |
| 13:52.49 | tutts | But Mind Vision is a Priest spell. |
| 13:52.50 | Wobin | A cunning abbreviation I'm sure |
| 13:52.59 | Wobin | Ah, so true =P |
| 13:53.18 | CrazyMYKL | so the fact that that data is gone either means there was a track 2 of audio and its not there anymore, or data was somehow corrupted |
| 13:53.23 | Wobin | I think cause he was talking about Archmage Aethas I got confused |
| 13:53.49 | Etanol | eeeh |
| 13:54.32 | Wobin | I just need one more book =( |
| 13:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | Go get it? |
| 13:55.00 | Etanol | *.bin : 712MB , *.bin -> *.iso , *iso : 615MB |
| 13:55.11 | Etanol | did it cut off at 615 just for fun? |
| 13:56.11 | nevcairiel | bins can contain more data then a pure .iso file |
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| 13:57.39 | Etanol | hm? |
| 13:58.00 | Etanol | I thought .iso had no size restriction? |
| 13:58.05 | Etanol | i've seen 7GB isos |
| 13:58.09 | CrazyMYKL | Ethanol: you could extract both images and md5sum the files to confirm the data is the same |
| 14:02.03 | Etanol | awesome idea |
| 14:02.04 | Etanol | on it |
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| 14:06.02 | Etanol | no match |
| 14:06.10 | Etanol | the problem is |
| 14:06.26 | Etanol | the cue/bin is 712 mb, and my cd medium is 707mb |
| 14:06.48 | Etanol | s/medium/media/ |
| 14:06.51 | Wobin | hehe cute: http://signaltheorist.com/?p=91 |
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| 14:13.49 | Etanol | I found a possible solution |
| 14:14.00 | Etanol | however, brasero won't let me burn a CD on a DVD media |
| 14:20.56 | nevcairiel | Etanol: the .bin/.cue combination can usually be bigger because they usually store the error correction data as well (2352 Bytes per Sector), and the default ISO format only contains user-data (2048 Bytes per Sector), so its entirely possible that the iso is the same |
| 14:21.13 | nevcairiel | And, you can't just burn a CD image onto a dvd for more space =p |
| 14:21.15 | Etanol | so it's safe to burn and install? |
| 14:21.40 | nevcairiel | You should be able to simply burn that .bin/.cue onto a 700mb disc |
| 14:21.47 | Etanol | problem is |
| 14:21.53 | Etanol | my disc media is 707mb. |
| 14:21.59 | Etanol | tried already |
| 14:22.20 | Grum | if you just try to burn the .bin on it raw, yeah it wont work :) |
| 14:22.34 | nevcairiel | You need a tool that understands the .cue format |
| 14:22.41 | nevcairiel | Nero does, for example |
| 14:22.52 | Grum | imgburn as well |
| 14:22.56 | Grum | (free and good) |
| 14:23.36 | nevcairiel | ideally you also need a burner that can burn the error correction data |
| 14:23.44 | nevcairiel | but every "modern" one can |
| 14:25.38 | Etanol | iiih |
| 14:26.01 | Etanol | thx nevcairiel |
| 14:28.25 | Etanol | cya in a while |
| 14:31.36 | foxlit | Curse you, \fbox |
| 14:31.40 | foxlit | For you break in mysterious ways |
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| 14:39.21 | Fisker- | sfuck yeah |
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| 14:45.05 | Tuller | lua> true and false or true |
| 14:45.05 | lua_bot | Tuller: true |
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| 14:50.46 | Ose | became a crusader today ^^ |
| 14:53.03 | RockSlicer | Tuller: might I ask what the point of that was? |
| 14:53.19 | Tuller | to make sure I knew what I was doing still :P |
| 14:53.40 | RockSlicer | either association would still yield true |
| 14:54.07 | RockSlicer | lua> (true and false) or true |
| 14:54.07 | lua_bot | RockSlicer: true |
| 14:54.23 | RockSlicer | lua> true and (false or true) |
| 14:54.24 | lua_bot | RockSlicer: true |
| 14:56.27 | Tuller | yeah I know that, I was just making sure I still knew things :P |
| 14:56.32 | RockSlicer | ahh |
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| 16:15.14 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tuller |
| 16:15.15 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-71-197-12-179.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1h 18m 48s ago, saying: 'yeah I know that, I was just making sure I still knew things :P'. |
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| 16:30.15 | airtonix | Shirik, you were looking at project management sites? have you seen : http://www.redmine.org/ |
| 16:30.48 | nevcairiel | ew RoR |
| 16:30.53 | airtonix | Shirik, just throwing it out there for you, came across it while looking at http://atheme.org/repositories/show/audacious-plugins |
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| 16:39.38 | Shirik | sorry airtonix, already got mantis installed and not going to make Dolby change again :) |
| 16:39.50 | Shirik | besides, I've used mantis before so it was easy to use for me |
| 16:40.13 | Silversage | Question: Could the new UI policy be construed as meaning that personal add-ons are not allowed? |
| 16:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh? |
| 16:40.39 | Shirik | While one could say yes, I enter the field of "how would they know or why would they care" |
| 16:40.40 | airtonix | Shirik, all good just remembered you looking, thought you might be interested. |
| 16:40.53 | ScytheBlade1 | We've heard some pretty far-fetched things that came out of that policy, but that's a new one |
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| 16:42.06 | Silversage | "All add-ons must be distributed free of charge." |
| 16:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | If distributed |
| 16:42.36 | Silversage | Where does it say "if distributed"? I missed that line. |
| 16:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's implied |
| 16:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I see your point |
| 16:43.02 | Silversage | Huh? "Implied" is not usually acceptable in case law. |
| 16:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | How to put this |
| 16:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, it could be read that way. No, it doesn't mean that |
| 16:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it won't ever be enforced in that manner |
| 16:45.06 | Silversage | What about an addon -- without exploiting -- which provides a clear advantage to players, but is only distributed within a guild? |
| 16:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like it was distributed, likely free of charge |
| 16:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Scope of distribution isn't defined |
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| 16:49.04 | *** topic/#wowuidev is The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 | Don't forget to call your Mom today |
| 16:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | no, as the logs clearly show you were a member of that guild. Trust me on this one, bleeter has been raging about this forever |
| 16:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd be perfectly legal |
| 16:50.07 | nevcairiel | Its not illegal to sell an addon either |
| 16:50.15 | nevcairiel | if blizzy no like, they still ban |
| 16:50.27 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 16:50.34 | nevcairiel | its just guidelines for not being banned, not "law" |
| 16:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | They act on the spirit of the rules, rarely the letter |
| 16:54.10 | Silversage | Anyway, as far as I see it, if you've ever loaded a version of an addon that you have posted somewhere on the internets, you're in violation. That includes any step in developing an addon. |
| 16:54.17 | Silversage | So y'all are REPORTED! |
| 16:54.25 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 16:54.30 | Silversage | s/have/haven't/ |
| 16:55.12 | nevcairiel | I bet some blizzard rep reading those reports will be giggling for a week :) |
| 16:55.27 | Silversage | I sure hope so. :D |
| 17:05.12 | Gnarfoz | someone tell tuller that his new "decimals" cooldown thingy is broken for everyone who hasn't turned it on :( |
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| 17:32.53 | mikma | Which one of these two layouts is better? (the tooltip which has text, screw the ui) http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051009_203026.jpg or http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_051009_203047.jpg |
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| 17:38.47 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=2.3 return format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:38.47 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value) |
| 17:38.54 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=2.3 return string.format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:38.55 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'floor' (a nil value) |
| 17:38.58 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=2.3 return string.format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:38.59 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 2.3, 0.0099999999999997 |
| 17:39.16 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=2.3 return (string.format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100) |
| 17:39.17 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: luabot:1: ')' expected near ',' |
| 17:39.30 | Gnarfoz | ??? |
| 17:39.31 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:39.47 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=0.9222 return string.format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:39.47 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 0.9, 0.0022 |
| 17:40.01 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=0.1234 return string.format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:40.02 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 0.1, 0.0034 |
| 17:40.09 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=0.05 return string.format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:40.10 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 0.1, 0 |
| 17:40.14 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=0.02 return string.format('%.1f', s), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:40.15 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 0.0, 0 |
| 17:40.18 | Gnarfoz | liar! |
| 17:40.23 | Gnarfoz | omnicc is inaccurate :( |
| 17:41.38 | Gnarfoz | lua> return strtr() |
| 17:41.38 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'strtr' (a nil value) |
| 17:41.41 | Gnarfoz | lua> return strtrim() |
| 17:41.42 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:169: attempt to index local 'str' (a nil value) |
| 17:41.49 | Gnarfoz | lua> return string.trim() |
| 17:41.50 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:169: attempt to index local 'str' (a nil value) |
| 17:42.06 | Gnarfoz | -.- |
| 17:42.10 | nevcairiel | the function is correct |
| 17:42.14 | nevcairiel | but you forgot an argument |
| 17:42.24 | nevcairiel | (its a lua-implemented function, hence the error) |
| 17:44.22 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=0.02 return strtr(string.format('%.1f', s), 1), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:44.23 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'strtr' (a nil value) |
| 17:44.30 | Gnarfoz | rawr I'm stupid ;D |
| 17:44.35 | Gnarfoz | lua> s=0.02 return string.trim(string.format('%.1f', s), 1), (s * 100 - math.floor(s * 100))/100 |
| 17:44.36 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: 0.0, 0 |
| 17:44.43 | Gnarfoz | mhhh |
| 17:44.56 | Gnarfoz | I want ".1" instead of "0.1" |
| 17:44.56 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 17:45.07 | Gnarfoz | 0.1 is taking too much space on my action buttons |
| 17:45.44 | Gnarfoz | (and if I turn Tuller's new option off, I see "0" on my action buttons for quite some time instead of nothing... I maybe should just roll back ;D but I kind of like being able to see the decimals, too^^) |
| 17:45.56 | nevcairiel | I hated the decimals |
| 17:46.05 | nevcairiel | i yelled at tuller when he implemented it the first time |
| 17:46.09 | nevcairiel | did it come back now? |
| 17:46.11 | Gnarfoz | yep. |
| 17:46.35 | Gnarfoz | and he's still using floor instead of ceil, so there's 0.5 of a second where stuff shows 0 which is not off cooldown, yet |
| 17:46.46 | nevcairiel | hm when did you update? i run my script yesterday i think, and no decimals |
| 17:46.54 | Gnarfoz | with decimals off, even 0.1 should be "1", not "0" :> |
| 17:47.06 | Gnarfoz | 16:44 |
| 17:47.09 | Gnarfoz | 1 minute before raid start ;D |
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| 17:51.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: nevermind |
| 17:51.25 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: "2.5.1 |
| 17:51.26 | Gnarfoz | * Added a fix for displaying 0 seconds when in non tenths of seconds mode" |
| 17:51.28 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 17:51.41 | Gnarfoz | just hasn't pushed that to curse |
| 17:57.01 | Stanzilla | and the decimal stuff is an option, default to off |
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| 18:00.26 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: see the bugfix :> |
| 18:00.34 | Stanzilla | yes yes |
| 18:00.55 | Stanzilla | was damn annoying |
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| 18:06.10 | Kraps | wtb straight flight paths |
| 18:06.57 | Seerah | at least you don't have to do each leg one at a time any more |
| 18:07.20 | Kraps | i wasnt around for that |
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| 18:07.40 | Seerah | I guessed as much ;) |
| 18:07.46 | Kraps | :) |
| 18:08.36 | Kraps | wasnt that 30 patches ago? |
| 18:08.43 | Kraps | or something |
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| 18:12.15 | Gnarfoz | like 2+ years |
| 18:15.10 | Seerah | think it was before BC, no? |
| 18:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It was |
| 18:15.57 | Seerah | 2.0.3 was 2.5 years ago |
| 18:16.54 | Seerah | not to mention that they've tweaked flight paths since then, too, to make them shorter |
| 18:17.07 | Seerah | (granted there are still a couple that take you the "scenic" route...) |
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| 18:20.02 | mikma | ~haste++ |
| 18:28.32 | Adys | gma industries can suck my shiny bum. |
| 18:32.51 | Kraftman | wowi updates so fast <3 |
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| 18:42.13 | Silversage | Anyone around to give some container feedback? |
| 18:43.05 | Silversage | I'm rewriting BagLady, an old add-on that will /sort your bags. For the OOTB default sort order, I'm tweaking it to be... |
| 18:43.57 | Ose | geif |
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| 18:44.59 | Silversage | (1) Hearthstone, (2) soulbound items you might grow into, (3) soulbound items by equippable slot, (4) potions, (5) other consumable items, (6) quest items, (7) trade goods and non soulbound boes, (8) soulbound items you'll never be able to use and gray items. |
| 18:45.31 | Silversage | Meh. (7.5) Projectiles and explosives. |
| 18:46.03 | Iriel | You'd need to take into account specialty bags |
| 18:46.20 | Iriel | and personally I'd like all my soul shards to stay together in one bag (which isn't a soul bag) |
| 18:46.51 | Iriel | I personally stick things like fishing rod with hearthstone, too |
| 18:46.52 | Silversage | The addon already deals with specialty bags -- although I'm wanting to re-do how it handles those. |
| 18:47.05 | Iriel | (skinning knife, blacksmith hammer) |
| 18:47.09 | Iriel | (enchanting rod) |
| 18:47.44 | Silversage | Hmm. All but the fishing rods are a small list, which I could special case. Too many fishing rods. |
| 18:48.10 | mikma | why won't Gnomish Army Knife be a enchanting wand and fishing rod too |
| 18:48.20 | mikma | can't* |
| 18:48.27 | Adys | or a dildo. |
| 18:48.29 | Silversage | The entire addon rather assumes a one-bag style of organization, so anything which tries to keep things in a single bag isn't in line with its ethos. |
| 18:48.51 | mikma | adys: you would like that? |
| 18:48.54 | Silversage | puts Adys on /ignore. |
| 18:49.00 | Adys | I know a few people would |
| 18:49.02 | Adys | like Silversage |
| 18:49.19 | mikma | i bet silversage would love to be dildoed |
| 18:51.02 | Silversage | Iriel: Do all fishing rods end with the word "Rod"? No, I bet they don't... |
| 18:51.29 | alestane | I think they all end with the word "pole", at least in English. |
| 18:52.10 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 18:52.12 | zenzelezz | "Nat Pagle's Extreme Angler FC-5000" |
| 18:52.22 | alestane | There you go. |
| 18:52.24 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=3567 |
| 18:52.24 | Silversage | That's what I was 'membering. |
| 18:52.32 | mikma | "Dwarven Fishing Pole" |
| 18:52.55 | alestane | I think they may have a distinctive item type, given that macros can tell when you've equipped one. |
| 18:53.11 | Silversage | It's currently set up to priority based on any of full name, last word of name, item type, etc. |
| 18:53.25 | Silversage | Item type would work, then. |
| 18:53.29 | Iriel | Maybe just have a user customizable list of 'priority items' ? |
| 18:54.18 | Iriel | Also, will the treatment of soulbound items change based on whether the player is an enchanter? |
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| 19:45.14 | zenzelezz | does anyone else get a weird result by searching for "uzbl" on Google in Firefox? (weird as in the page layout being messed up) |
| 19:45.57 | End | looks fine to me |
| 19:46.06 | Iriel | looks fine to me |
| 19:46.25 | zenzelezz | peculiar... any other search works fine, but for that search string I get a totally messed up result |
| 19:46.27 | zenzelezz | the search result page loads, then after a couple of seconds changes background color, result titles get moved around (centered), and if I scroll down on the page, I seem to be getting really weird random junk... almost as if it's reading video memory; since I can sometimes see parts of windows from other virtual desktops o_O |
| 19:50.28 | zenzelezz | hm, searching for "peculiar search results in Google": "Did you mean: popular search results in Google" |
| 19:53.18 | Silversage | Iriel: Back. |
| 19:53.43 | Silversage | Yes, I'm hoping to add user-customization. But for now, I'm trying to pick a decent OOTB config. |
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| 20:14.14 | kd3 | grr |
| 20:14.33 | End | so full of hate! |
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| 20:32.36 | kmcguire | I noticed you are trying to cache tables, frames, textures, ect. ZorbaTHut, it is not helping any as far as I can tell. Your problem is deeper. It is right down into the structure that you use for routing, objectives, ect. You have somewhere around 4000 tables allocated and that is just during boot up. |
| 20:33.53 | kmcguire | I completely proxied all the add-on's frames, textures, icons, and fontstrings and it barely made an effect on the memory usage of the add-on, so basically it all sits on your table usage. |
| 20:34.53 | kmcguire | Your table cache is not jack if you have over 4000 tables. |
| 20:35.09 | kmcguire | ja ja ja jjj a jja jack |
| 20:35.32 | zenzelezz | jack? |
| 20:35.40 | kmcguire | jajjjajja |
| 20:35.52 | End | ajajajackjack |
| 20:35.58 | kmcguire | hahaha |
| 20:39.56 | kmcguire | He has done a very good job of maintaining the add-on and providing some really helpful features. This is actually the first time I have ever used it and I like it. |
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| 20:51.58 | foxlit | "Comment: ce explanation" |
| 20:52.00 | foxlit | I so wonder. |
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| 21:06.32 | Jamash | woohoo star wars rpg time |
| 21:06.41 | Jamash | zoom away! |
| 21:07.53 | p3lim | is /use and /cast usable in a macro no matter the localization of the client? |
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| 21:08.25 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:08.27 | Grum | actually /use is /cast |
| 21:08.35 | nevcairiel | both are still usalbe =) |
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| 21:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | kmc, yeah, all the caching was already there when I took it over, and I haven't seen a reason to delete it |
| 21:30.50 | ZorbaTHut | the table caching, however, is hugely useful |
| 21:31.00 | ZorbaTHut | the rest of it may very well be a waste of code :P |
| 21:36.34 | kmcguire | I am about to try to proxy up all your internal data tables. I have to modify my code to support circle table references, and it will have a major performance hit potentially but still be runnable. I will be able to see how much the memory will decrease afterwards. |
| 21:37.35 | kmcguire | The current performance is very nice through and I run around 9MB which is slightly higher than expected, but it jumps in intervals to about 15MB as your internal data (non-static) is manipulated and grows. |
| 21:42.10 | Gnarfoz | seems like you're trying to tame quite the beast there. ;] |
| 21:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_(computer_game) |
| 21:43.29 | Corrodias | cool, they kept going on that project! |
| 21:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 21:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I just played a bit of one of the mods |
| 21:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kind of awesome |
| 21:46.00 | zenzelezz | I remember someone tried to make a Total Annihilation mod for one of the Unreal Tournament games some time ago |
| 21:46.20 | Dagmar | THey use Delphi? |
| 21:46.24 | Dagmar | ugh |
| 21:46.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It looks like it is written in everything |
| 21:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Delphi, Java, C++ |
| 21:47.08 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 21:47.11 | zenzelezz | Fortran? |
| 21:47.16 | Dagmar | ...but Delphi is the only warcrime there |
| 21:47.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Whatever |
| 21:47.35 | Dagmar | The guy who wrote the delphi bit probably would have used fortran if it weren't useless |
| 21:47.48 | zenzelezz | there's this crazy part of my mind that from time to time makes me want to learn old stuff like Fortran and/or Cobol, for no useful purpose |
| 21:47.53 | Dagmar | Delphi coders are broken |
| 21:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | They have a land-based energy weapon which launches a reflector into the air, letting you fire a continous beam of energy and direct it through the enemy base |
| 21:48.02 | Dagmar | You can learn cobol in what... two hours? |
| 21:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is inherently awesome |
| 21:48.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I built seven and then... erased myself with them |
| 21:48.37 | Tuller | honestly, I'd only make a few tweaks to delphi to make me not hate it |
| 21:49.02 | Dagmar | How do you think Delphi got the way it is? |
| 21:49.37 | ZorbaTHut | personally, I'm just fine with 15mb usage - I suspect you're going to have performance issues mucking with other stuff in bulk |
| 21:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus, a lot of the game - the UI, the AI, missions |
| 21:49.37 | Tuller | I use old delphi at work, so I know not of this "way it is" :P |
| 21:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Are scripted in lua |
| 21:50.28 | zenzelezz | Tuller: I used to talk to some guy who worked with some version of Borland C++ at work... he'd have all sorts of fun stories about how a years-old log function would suddenly stop working without being modified |
| 21:50.38 | Tuller | haha |
| 21:51.34 | Tuller | Dagmar: I think delphi is the way it is because it was written on top of pascal, which was written in a manner so that it could be easy to compile :P |
| 21:52.13 | Tuller | a lot of the issues I have are really it being older than java, etc |
| 21:52.30 | Tuller | its kindof like how I detest C++ due to niceties introduced in more recent languages |
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| 21:59.15 | Dagmar | I think Delphi was written because a bunch of really old people didn't want to give up their Pascal "skills" |
| 21:59.49 | Tuller | pascal's not a bad language |
| 22:00.00 | Tuller | especially as a learning tool |
| 22:00.06 | Dagmar | It's not a _good_ language either |
| 22:00.17 | Dagmar | THere's easier ways to introduce people to pointers and references |
| 22:00.49 | Tuller | i'm supposed to care about pointers and references? :P |
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| 22:09.07 | ZorbaTHut | kmc, heading off for a bit, send me stuff in /msg if you want me to see it :) |
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| 22:37.24 | Kraps | black people and white people CAN enjoy the same furniture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnOyMSEWNTs&feature=fvhl |
| 22:37.45 | Corrodias | lies |
| 22:38.39 | Kraps | rly |
| 22:42.59 | Gnarfoz | thewhat |
| 22:46.31 | Shirik | wtf |
| 22:47.03 | Shirik | obviously they don't allow asians there |
| 22:49.29 | jnwhiteh | that is the best effing commercial ever |
| 22:50.34 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.14 | Shirik | ahhhh fu checkstyle |
| 23:12.16 | Shirik | warning: Method length is 151 lines (max allowed is 150). |
| 23:12.45 | Dagmar | That's not a bad idea |
| 23:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That was depressing |
| 23:13.09 | Dagmar | I mean, it's an entirely arbitrary limit, but too many programmers write subroutines that are *far* less atomic than they should be |
| 23:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Installed a gigabit NIC into the computer upstairs |
| 23:13.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... no IP |
| 23:13.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Set a static IP, no connectivity |
| 23:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, the cable is cat5, not cat5e |
| 23:13.28 | Dagmar | PCI express? |
| 23:13.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Complete waste of a gigabit NIC |
| 23:13.41 | cbreak | just write two or three lines on the same line |
| 23:13.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Clocked it down to 100mbit and it worked great |
| 23:13.46 | cbreak | and separate them with semicolons |
| 23:13.53 | Dagmar | Well, if you don't have a lot of noise in the house cat5 will carry 100mbit |
| 23:13.55 | Shirik | cbreak: That is NOT the goal of that check :P |
| 23:14.25 | cbreak | silly checks deserve silly fixes. |
| 23:14.36 | Dagmar | It's not a silly check |
| 23:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not a silly check |
| 23:14.44 | Dagmar | It's actually a pretty good check |
| 23:14.54 | cbreak | 150 is not even a multiple of 2... |
| 23:15.02 | cbreak | it's just an ugly number |
| 23:15.09 | Dagmar | It's just not obvious that it's a good thing to look at unless you've debugged a few million lines of other people's shoddy code |
| 23:15.13 | cbreak | 128 or 256 would be much better |
| 23:15.19 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:15.20 | Shirik | cbreak |
| 23:15.26 | Shirik | I don't know where you learned math |
| 23:15.31 | cbreak | well |
| 23:15.32 | Shirik | but 150 is definitely a multiple of 2 in my world |
| 23:15.38 | cbreak | well.. |
| 23:15.43 | cbreak | multiple is the wrong word |
| 23:15.45 | cbreak | power of two? |
| 23:15.58 | Dagmar | It's not a "computery" enough number for him. ;) |
| 23:16.06 | Shirik | blame Iriel, it's his script :) |
| 23:17.55 | Shirik | yay for refactoring |
| 23:17.59 | Shirik | let's see how much I just broke |
| 23:18.26 | Shirik | omg it worked |
| 23:18.55 | Dagmar | Personally I aim for an upper limit of "whatever will fit in my xterm" |
| 23:19.13 | Dagmar | I don't like it when I can't see the whole of an atomic chunk of code at once |
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| 23:57.19 | Adys | holy shit |
| 23:57.20 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ucVfn9gob8 |
| 23:57.25 | Adys | i feel like an archaeologist |
| 23:57.42 | Adys | been a while. |
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