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| 00:02.47 | kd3 | there we go... 469MB. a tad more reasonable |
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| 00:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fwiw, I know a guy who, years back, "hacked" into his high school using the public printer IP addresses, and then proceeded to print off thousands of smiley faces from home |
| 00:07.22 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 00:07.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:07.25 | kd3 | >.> |
| 00:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: x2500 |
| 00:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | One (large) smiley per page |
| 00:08.59 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 00:10.02 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy would totally do that |
| 00:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I think my public school district has those ports wide open, still.. |
| 00:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | resists the urge to open nmap |
| 00:12.16 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you're such a hooligan |
| 00:18.28 | airtonix | does lua have a function turn a integer into a localised language string? ie: 1 = "One", 2 = Two or 1 = "Uno", 2 = "Duo" ? |
| 00:18.38 | airtonix | or is this a function i have to make myself? |
| 00:19.33 | kd3 | create an integer-indexed table? |
| 00:19.38 | airtonix | ok |
| 00:20.18 | airtonix | i'm aware that most ace projects do it manually, but i was hoping that just for numbers there would be a internal function. |
| 00:20.28 | airtonix | even if its just english |
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| 00:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lua doesn't even keep track of table size, translation is... not likely |
| 00:24.07 | theorbtwo | airtonix: lua is very much of the design school of keeping the language itself small. |
| 00:24.26 | theorbtwo | However, the langauge itself not having it doesn't mean that *you* have to write one. |
| 00:24.28 | airtonix | understood |
| 00:26.59 | Kemayo | Thus was LibBabble-Numbers created. |
| 00:27.03 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: that's not entirely true |
| 00:27.11 | Kemayo | Soon to be followed by LibBabble-Whatever. |
| 00:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: yes, I know |
| 00:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (I was wondering who was going to mention that) |
| 00:30.57 | airtonix | i only needed it because of the way i' |
| 00:31.00 | airtonix | gah... |
| 00:31.06 | airtonix | stabs keyboard |
| 00:31.33 | Shirik | boggles at his code |
| 00:31.39 | Shirik | Sometimes I really need to pay attention to what I'm doing |
| 00:31.54 | Shirik | final ServiceTabPane tab = (ServiceTabPane) pane.getComponentAt(i); |
| 00:31.56 | Shirik | followed by: ((ServiceTabPane) tab).getBundle() |
| 00:34.02 | Jamash | Antiarc: Yeah, it's GridAutoFrameSize |
| 00:35.23 | Iriel | Shirik: No 'unnecessary cast' warning from your IDE? |
| 00:37.59 | Shirik | nope Iriel |
| 00:38.16 | Shirik | strange thing is, I thought your checkstyle script also caught it |
| 00:38.18 | Shirik | and it doesn't |
| 00:38.35 | Iriel | I know eclipse does |
| 00:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: because Eclipse catches that by default, so no point in checkstyle checking it |
| 00:38.43 | Shirik | I know I've seen Netbeans catch it too |
| 00:38.44 | Iriel | and I thought checkstyle did too |
| 00:38.47 | Shirik | which is why it's confusing me that it didn't |
| 00:38.50 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: plenty of reasons for checkstyle to catch it |
| 00:39.04 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: not everyone uses eclipse, and checkstyle lets me automate screening code |
| 00:39.06 | ScytheBlade1 | shrugs |
| 00:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Just an idea |
| 00:39.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I also thought you enforced Eclipse there? |
| 00:39.42 | Iriel | I never enforce an IDE, it's against my religion. |
| 00:39.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 00:40.00 | Iriel | I do say 'if you dont use eclipse and your environment breaks, then it's your problem' |
| 00:40.10 | Shirik | aha |
| 00:40.21 | Shirik | Iriel: Netbeans didn't warn me because that option got turned off for some reason |
| 00:40.28 | Shirik | actually all of the "Standard Javac Warnings" got turned off |
| 00:40.36 | Shirik | I must have accidentally clicked it |
| 00:40.44 | Iriel | Shirik: Hm, guess it's a good job you did this then |
| 00:41.28 | Shirik | there we go "[cast] Redundant cast to com.mmoui.manager.ServiceTabPane" |
| 00:41.53 | Shirik | I wonder how that got turned off |
| 00:42.17 | Iriel | Your evil twin did it to trick you |
| 00:42.28 | Shirik | I'm actually wondering if it happened when I installed netbeans 6.7 |
| 00:42.28 | Iriel | Hey, I managed to sneeze while typing that sentence and didn't make a mistake |
| 00:42.39 | Shirik | since they use the same configuration iirc |
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| 00:44.33 | tlund | i have a non-wow-question for you US people. Can you give me a website that tracks prices for american webshops? I am specificly looking for the cheapest place online in the US to get an Intel X25-M SSD. |
| 00:44.57 | Iriel | shopper.cnet.com? |
| 00:45.01 | Iriel | I'm not sure how thorough it is |
| 00:45.05 | Iriel | THere's google too |
| 00:45.57 | Iriel | http://www.google.com/products?q=X25-M+SSD&oe=utf-8&scoring=p |
| 00:46.18 | Iriel | Newegg comes out ahead there at $329.99 (before tax or shipping) |
| 00:46.26 | Iriel | sorry, $324.99 |
| 00:46.34 | Shirik | I used to use pricegrabber.com, tlund |
| 00:46.41 | Shirik | not sure how good it is these days, but it used to be good |
| 00:46.55 | tlund | Iriel: yeah, newegg was what i managed to find also.. thanks. |
| 00:46.58 | tlund | Shirik: ill have a look |
| 00:47.06 | Iriel | newegg have always done right be me |
| 00:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 00:47.23 | Lopeppeppy | Newegg has been pretty awesome. |
| 00:47.26 | Iriel | They were a little dicey when they sold me a broken 50" plasma TV, but they came through in the end |
| 00:47.34 | kd3 | ! |
| 00:48.14 | NeoTron | basically my comparision shopping is |
| 00:48.14 | Iriel | It was one of those things where newegg said 'that should be covered by the manufacturer' and the manufacturer said 'that should be covered by the vendor' |
| 00:48.21 | NeoTron | "Check newegg. if not on newegg don't buy" |
| 00:48.25 | Iriel | Had it arrived working, and then failed, it would have been panasonic's problem |
| 00:48.35 | tlund | btw, its for my wow-computer, soo it was ALMOST on topic ;) |
| 00:48.46 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 00:48.46 | tlund | my raptor 10K RPM disk died :~((((( |
| 00:48.47 | Iriel | tlund: We dont really care as long as you're polite |
| 00:48.57 | tlund | Iriel: thank you. :) |
| 00:49.24 | Iriel | tlund: I believe there are also various non-wow topics that are considered always on topic too, such as cheesecake |
| 00:49.38 | Iriel | and gamig hardware |
| 00:49.40 | Iriel | gaming |
| 00:49.42 | tlund | oooh... frozen? or the regular kind? |
| 00:49.45 | Iriel | and shirik |
| 00:49.45 | kd3 | so long as pie > cake |
| 00:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 00:49.54 | tlund | frozen cheescake > most other things. |
| 00:49.55 | Shirik | I'm on-topic? |
| 00:50.07 | Iriel | Shirik: You're always on-topic, it's sort of like being in season for hunting |
| 00:50.13 | Shirik | >.> |
| 00:50.21 | Jamash | Talking about Shirik is on topic. Shirik himself, however, is always off-topic. |
| 00:50.22 | kd3 | hm... think I need to get off work monday |
| 00:50.32 | Iriel | Shirik: Except no license is required |
| 00:50.43 | Iriel | Jamash: I accept your clarification |
| 00:53.44 | Lopeppeppy | wants cheesecake instead of M&M's |
| 00:57.40 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Strawberry Cheesecake :3 |
| 00:58.20 | Shirik | lmao |
| 00:58.27 | Shirik | Someone put a portal to dalaran right where the WG port would be |
| 00:58.30 | Shirik | as we're all waiting |
| 00:59.12 | kd3 | portal roulette, fun for everyone! |
| 00:59.53 | Esamynn | Shirik: awesome! =D |
| 01:00.19 | Esamynn | it takes talent to get that positioning just right ;) |
| 01:00.55 | foxlit | I eagerly await them just disabling portals in those rooms |
| 01:01.03 | foxlit | Not that it's ever a problem. |
| 01:01.12 | kd3 | is still sad that they disabled mage ports in battlegrounds |
| 01:01.21 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 01:29.52 | foxlit | Meh |
| 01:30.31 | foxlit | My bindings panel apparently pulled all of the ring data to generate a short icon sequence to represent a ring's contents. |
| 01:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | Awesome. |
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| 01:30.54 | Kraps | Tip: You can activate the equipment manager feature... :/ |
| 01:31.33 | foxlit | Which wasn't actually that bad, for things were cached decently. However, looking at it again, I don't want to maintain that cache OR try to construct pretty icon representations |
| 01:40.35 | Dagmar | THinking like that will keep you from experiencing the joy of logging into Dalaran with an empty cache |
| 01:41.05 | foxlit | Which leaves me with a big gaping hole where the icons used to be |
| 01:41.19 | kd3 | dalaran with an empty cache is full of pain and suffering |
| 01:42.52 | Dagmar | I went through that just last night before having to ask a GM to find my wayward talent points |
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| 01:49.58 | foxlit | "0. If you were to kill yourself how would you... 05/07/2009 04:36:03 PM PDT" |
| 01:50.12 | foxlit | Whee, general discussion. |
| 01:50.23 | Fisker- | you! |
| 01:51.18 | Fisker- | hay kd3 |
| 01:51.51 | kd3 | hm? |
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| 01:52.30 | Fisker- | gives kd3 a high five! |
| 01:52.47 | Tenchworks | foxlit: you server is suicidal? |
| 01:53.12 | ronghail | syc doesn't trigger on interact |
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| 01:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: lol, I just saw the same thread and came to mention it |
| 01:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 5 pages |
| 01:59.27 | airtonix | can someone explain why this happens http://pastey.net/113794 |
| 01:59.45 | foxlit | magic! |
| 01:59.50 | airtonix | first example isnt stepping through the table items in the order they exist |
| 02:00.03 | foxlit | Well, that's just _easy_ |
| 02:00.08 | foxlit | pairs doesn't guarantee iteration order. |
| 02:00.10 | airtonix | but /print table outputs the items in the order they exist |
| 02:00.13 | airtonix | ok |
| 02:00.16 | airtonix | ipairs? |
| 02:00.19 | foxlit | If you want to print them in order, iterate them in order. |
| 02:00.33 | foxlit | ipairs is just a pretty way of saying for i=1,#t do |
| 02:00.41 | airtonix | ok |
| 02:00.55 | foxlit | [and a bunch of local variable assignment stuff after that] |
| 02:01.10 | airtonix | saves on code only or impacts peformance? |
| 02:01.27 | foxlit | Optimization: Don't do it. |
| 02:01.41 | airtonix | ok, be explicit? |
| 02:01.49 | airtonix | as in dont take the shortcut |
| 02:01.50 | foxlit | Probably both. You shouldn't care. |
| 02:02.14 | foxlit | Just use whichever is most convenient for you. |
| 02:02.21 | airtonix | thanks <3 |
| 02:05.36 | DWSR | Does leaving towers up for FLev give you extra loot per tower or only with all 4 up? |
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| 02:10.49 | Antiarc | extra with 4 |
| 02:11.00 | Antiarc | Only runed orbs and badges for 2-3 |
| 02:11.06 | Zamoria | morning (ugt) |
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| 02:13.39 | Cairenn | morning Zamoria |
| 02:18.15 | Wobin | ugh |
| 02:18.22 | Wobin | 18 pages on WowInsider and still going =P |
| 02:19.38 | mikma | wobin: wut? links! |
| 02:19.46 | Wobin | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/05/06/wowmatrix-responds-to-curse-and-wow-interface/18#comments |
| 02:20.10 | airtonix | where is the punisher when you need him? |
| 02:21.56 | Kraps | anyone with a HH mount experience this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904074554&sid=1 |
| 02:22.57 | Fisker- | suck it bitches |
| 02:22.58 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 02:23.34 | Dagmar | Kraps: Put any narrow mount on a slope and it'll do that |
| 02:23.41 | Dagmar | Not a bug.. |
| 02:23.57 | Kraps | nope never had that before |
| 02:24.04 | Wobin | pft |
| 02:24.07 | Wobin | happens all the time on kodo |
| 02:24.57 | Kraps | my regular mounts dont do it |
| 02:25.49 | Kraps | where can i post screens? |
| 02:25.51 | Fisker- | i has it bad Wobin :( |
| 02:26.08 | Kraps | like pastebin for photos |
| 02:26.17 | airtonix | http://www.getdropbox.com/ |
| 02:26.48 | Fisker- | fuck off! |
| 02:26.48 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 02:27.08 | Fisker- | oh |
| 02:27.13 | Fisker- | dropbox sux |
| 02:27.39 | airtonix | your mum |
| 02:28.51 | Fisker- | my stomach is exploding anyways |
| 02:29.10 | airtonix | don't drop your guts |
| 02:29.28 | airtonix | unless of course you are in an elevator |
| 02:30.05 | Kraps | whats the remove ui again? |
| 02:30.46 | Kraps | hmm? |
| 02:31.55 | Gnarfoz | thewhat |
| 02:32.15 | Kraps | nvm foind it |
| 02:32.20 | Kraps | found* |
| 02:33.12 | Wobin | Kraps: gammatesters.org |
| 02:33.15 | Wobin | ~imagehosting |
| 02:33.16 | purl | imagehosting is, like, http://images.gammatester.com/ by the courtesy of cladhaire |
| 02:33.26 | Wobin | er -s.org +.com |
| 02:34.07 | mikma | ain't gamma the new popular drug |
| 02:35.59 | Kraps | how do i make my dropbox public? |
| 02:36.36 | Seerah | I always read that as game master... |
| 02:36.49 | Seerah | I just use PhotoBucket |
| 02:36.52 | airtonix | put stuff in your public folder |
| 02:36.58 | Kraps | >:( |
| 02:37.07 | airtonix | right click the item, select copy public url |
| 02:37.45 | airtonix | https://www.getdropbox.com/help/16 |
| 02:38.14 | Kraps | k thanks |
| 02:38.26 | Kraps | hh mount https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/WoWScrnShot_050709_223241.jpg?w=02439439 |
| 02:38.36 | Kraps | reg mount https://dl-web.getdropbox.com/get/WoWScrnShot_050709_223306.jpg?w=cc812775 |
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| 02:39.14 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.26 | airtonix | have to zip it up or get the link for the individual file |
| 02:39.31 | airtonix | https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/180039/ubuntu-hardy-desktop-screenshot.jpg |
| 02:40.05 | Kraps | so no one saw those? |
| 02:40.17 | Seerah | just use a regular image host |
| 02:40.20 | airtonix | you have to get 'public url' from the file not the folder |
| 02:40.27 | Seerah | photobucket, imageshack, flickr, there are tons and tons of them |
| 02:40.41 | mikma | kraps: both of your urĂ¥s are giving 493 |
| 02:40.46 | mikma | 403* |
| 02:40.49 | Wobin | or ... um.. gammatester which I just posted |
| 02:40.56 | Seerah | or that :p |
| 02:41.00 | Wobin | and, you know, works ... perfectly? |
| 02:41.16 | airtonix | nothing worng with dropbox, just need to use it properly |
| 02:42.15 | Seerah | I use photobucket - see my new house? :) (started remodelling yesterday) http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/Seerah/Ryan/House%20-%20Before%20remodel/ |
| 02:42.48 | Kraps | i didnt see any "copy public url" |
| 02:42.53 | airtonix | http://www.getdropbox.com/gallery/180039/1/screenshots?h=806a3e |
| 02:44.00 | Wobin | ahah |
| 02:44.01 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbg0YHpLlmQ |
| 02:44.02 | Wobin | win |
| 02:45.46 | airtonix | Kraps, http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/180039/screenshots/Screenshot.png |
| 02:45.56 | Zamoria | Cairenn: did you know that bunny actually has TWO pancakes on its head??!!! |
| 02:46.06 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 02:46.12 | Seerah | Wobin: bunny! |
| 02:46.24 | Wobin | inorite! |
| 02:46.32 | Kraps | holy crap batman |
| 02:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <insert wowmatrix comment here> |
| 02:46.41 | Zamoria | Wobin: that tractor earlier was friggin awesome |
| 02:46.51 | Wobin | The swans and birds as freepour are fantastic |
| 02:46.55 | Wobin | Zamoria: hehe =) |
| 02:47.05 | Kraps | hh mount http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1086459/WoWScrnShot_050709_223241.jpg |
| 02:47.11 | mikma | wobin: 18 pages that say hallelujah wm... riiight |
| 02:47.20 | Kraps | reg mount http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1086459/WoWScrnShot_050709_223306.jpg |
| 02:47.28 | Kraps | is that it? |
| 02:47.29 | Nechckn_AFK | ScytheBlade1 you are the evil! |
| 02:47.57 | mikma | peope are lazy and should stop using addons if they dont want to update them manually.... thats why i have a script haha |
| 02:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Nechckn_AFK: very |
| 02:48.04 | Kraps | i can make the hh mount lean over more |
| 02:48.13 | Wobin | Kraps: It's the same with Kodo |
| 02:48.28 | Wobin | it's just that the HH mount has a narrower base |
| 02:48.34 | Wobin | so it's more obvious |
| 02:48.39 | mikma | nonono |
| 02:48.52 | Kraps | if you say so |
| 02:48.57 | mikma | HH mount bends laws of physics |
| 02:49.07 | mikma | after all, it can fly, too |
| 02:49.14 | Kraps | true :) |
| 02:50.32 | Kraps | i can put movies in DB too :D |
| 02:50.44 | Kraps | haxx |
| 02:51.20 | airtonix | anything |
| 02:51.30 | Kraps | sweet |
| 02:51.43 | airtonix | i'm hounding them to make the auto-generated zip files from folder links public |
| 02:52.09 | airtonix | considering db provides revisions too will be imba for addon distribution |
| 02:52.18 | airtonix | well not imba but i like it |
| 02:53.51 | Kraps | have to make sure you COPY stuff to the dropbox folder, its like moving regular files :o duh |
| 02:54.51 | airtonix | techinically its a syncronisation service |
| 02:55.17 | Kraps | i just never noticed the mount thing before, thought it was a 3.1 thing |
| 02:55.57 | Kraps | airtonix: i'm talking when you move stuff to the dropbox folder on your pc |
| 02:58.08 | airtonix | krap, yep so if you delete those files they will be gone from the remote store next time you sunc, (which is always most likley immediatly because you have the sync daemon running all the time) |
| 02:58.39 | Kraps | check out this chat http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1086459/WoWScrnShot_032209_103452.jpg |
| 03:01.42 | Kraps | is it just 2 people now talking to each other on that article? |
| 03:03.29 | mikma | i've seen lvl23 to form a wg raid, and participating it |
| 03:05.14 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wI-9RJi0Qo |
| 03:05.17 | Wobin | woah |
| 03:13.03 | mikma | boooooring! |
| 03:13.46 | Kraps | friken cool i say |
| 03:15.02 | Zamoria | ^ |
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| 03:16.01 | Zamoria | Wobin: did you see this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjE0Kdfos4Y |
| 03:16.50 | Kraps | ok thats boring :p |
| 03:16.58 | Zamoria | watch through the end |
| 03:17.00 | Zamoria | srsly |
| 03:17.35 | Kraps | and now for something completely different http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eORmvzXN14c |
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| 03:19.00 | Syllogism_ | Aw great, there are people here... |
| 03:19.07 | Zamoria | ... |
| 03:19.15 | Syllogism_ | I've been looking for somewhere that could hopefully answer a couple of quests for me.. |
| 03:19.21 | Wobin | Zamoria: I'm Australian =) |
| 03:19.36 | Zamoria | oh... heh... i saw "aw great" the other way ;) |
| 03:19.58 | Syllogism_ | What restrictions are placed upon an addon inside wow? |
| 03:20.24 | Syllogism_ | I'll be more specific so I get a better answer..... Would network connections be possible to do inside a wow addon? |
| 03:20.29 | Zamoria | whatever you can do with the api |
| 03:20.34 | Zamoria | no |
| 03:20.48 | Syllogism_ | I can *only* use the api provided by blizzard? |
| 03:21.06 | Zamoria | well yeah... addons use an interpreted language |
| 03:21.09 | Wobin | aside from a few os functions |
| 03:21.19 | mikma | kraps: if you seek amy you too! |
| 03:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Syllogism_: the WoW API and a subset of the lua API are the only things you can access |
| 03:21.48 | Syllogism_ | What I was getting at... with standard Lua, I can link into C functions as well. I wasn't sure if that was possible or not. |
| 03:21.58 | Kraps | that depends on your gender mikma |
| 03:21.59 | airtonix | Syllogism_, http://wowprogramming.com/docs/ |
| 03:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | A large part of the WoW API are C functions. But you can't create your own functions outside of lua |
| 03:22.19 | Zamoria | Syllogism_: that only works if you're the one embedding the lua language :P |
| 03:22.40 | airtonix | Syllogism_, http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 03:22.45 | Syllogism_ | hehe, I suppose that makes sense as I was doing just that last time I used lua |
| 03:22.49 | Zamoria | Syllogism_: http://wowprogramming.com/store |
| 03:23.00 | Syllogism_ | That's really too bad... I suppose I'll never see a 'Putty' addon for wow |
| 03:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 03:23.30 | Syllogism_ | sighs |
| 03:23.33 | Zamoria | think about the consequences of allowing realtime communication with the outside world for a moment... |
| 03:23.49 | airtonix | Syllogism_, and why would you want to use it when the traffic would always go through blizzard servers? |
| 03:24.28 | Syllogism_ | no no... I don't want to use ssh with blizzard servers - I just think it would be handy to have an ssh client as an addon |
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| 03:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of things would be handy |
| 03:24.47 | Syllogism_ | and you've got to admit.. that would be pretty slick. |
| 03:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | in-game DKP synched with a website |
| 03:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cross-server messaging |
| 03:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It's all disabled for a reason |
| 03:25.29 | Syllogism_ | I can understand it being disabled. I just wasn't sure about the rules as I've never developed an addon before |
| 03:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 03:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | cross-server messaging would be one of the first to pop up. As would gold spamming. :) |
| 03:26.05 | Syllogism_ | I started looking into what is possible, but it appears a lot of the documentation i found linked to old examples and such that no longer fully apply.... |
| 03:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | wowprogramming.com/docs/ is the place to be |
| 03:26.26 | Syllogism_ | i'll definitely bookmark it for the future |
| 03:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't 100% up to date, but in many ways it makes wowwiki look like it was never up to date in the first place |
| 03:27.07 | Kraps | Activision conference call: WoW still at 11.5 million subscribers |
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| 03:29.18 | Kraps | am i good for ulduar 10? (not a really serious question) |
| 03:29.36 | tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqq051BU2MY&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:29.41 | Kraps | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dalvengyr&n=Ertis |
| 03:30.07 | tekkub | for everyone that likes to get graped |
| 03:30.16 | Syllogism_ | interesting function..: IsLinuxClient() |
| 03:30.28 | Syllogism_ | Are they intending to release a linux game client? |
| 03:31.02 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 03:31.11 | Gnarfoz | they had one back in/before vanilla beta |
| 03:31.43 | Syllogism_ | awww bummer |
| 03:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a very, very old function |
| 03:32.58 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 03:33.18 | airtonix | doesnt work anyway |
| 03:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Well it *works* just fine |
| 03:33.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It functions exactly as expected |
| 03:33.46 | Cairenn | pokes Random |
| 03:34.24 | Wobin | http://ludomancy.com/games/today.html <-- Cairenn |
| 03:34.42 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 03:34.48 | Wobin | doesn't actually appear to be a game |
| 03:34.53 | Wobin | but it's interesting =) |
| 03:36.36 | Syllogism_ | UploadSettings(): Stores a backup of game settings on the server. |
| 03:36.51 | Syllogism_ | Is that common??? To store your game settings on the server? |
| 03:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | it's done automatically |
| 03:38.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Can be disabled with a cvar and them manually uploaded with that function |
| 03:38.18 | Random | so this is a channel |
| 03:38.18 | Syllogism_ | Interesting... |
| 03:38.55 | |Jelly| | sneezes. |
| 03:40.11 | Syllogism_ | Well, thanks for everyone's input.. I appreciate the help |
| 03:40.41 | Syllogism_ | I'm going to give up the 'Putty in WoW' AddOn now that I see just how limited you are when developing an addon lol. |
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| 03:41.15 | Hjalte | # $995 Ă¢Â€Â¦ including a new ending of your liking! [Only 1 available] - I like that donation option, Wobin! |
| 03:41.38 | Syllogism_ | I can't believe how large this list of functions on wowprogramming.com is, and yet none of the ones listed cry out to me to do something evil with them.. |
| 03:41.44 | Syllogism_ | so. Good night all |
| 03:42.04 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | bye |
| 03:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That was an amusing way of leaving |
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| 03:44.02 | |Jelly| | Anyone play an ele shaman? |
| 03:45.22 | Wobin | I'm levelling one... |
| 03:45.41 | Zamoria | Wobin: thit was very much a game imo... |
| 03:45.43 | Zamoria | that* |
| 03:45.51 | Wobin | well |
| 03:45.56 | Wobin | I did say it doesn't -appear- to be one =) |
| 03:46.05 | Zamoria | ah . |
| 04:09.59 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 04:10.17 | Cairenn | nyah nyah http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904074636&sid=1 /rolls eyes |
| 04:15.24 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: Its like discovering the lost city of Atlantis! |
| 04:15.30 | AbsolutRayne | or the female orgasm! |
| 04:15.49 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:23.08 | AbsolutRayne | goes back to being quiet |
| 04:31.05 | Dagmar | Anyone else seeing "Your account is inactive," when they're logged into the forums? |
| 04:31.36 | Cairenn | check if it's renewal day for your account |
| 04:31.49 | Dagmar | It's been on auto-renew since um... 4 or 5 years now |
| 04:31.58 | Cairenn | yeah, but that's not the question |
| 04:32.04 | Cairenn | what day does it renew on |
| 04:32.09 | Cairenn | if today, that's why |
| 04:32.52 | Dagmar | So this is a forum bug then? |
| 04:32.55 | Dagmar | Freaking horrifying bug |
| 04:33.09 | Dagmar | Yeah I login to the CS page and it's like "This account is active and can be used for playing" |
| 04:33.13 | Dagmar | Scared the crap out of me |
| 04:33.24 | Thunder_Child | *that* scared you? |
| 04:33.31 | Dagmar | Yep. Sure enough today is the reup date |
| 04:33.39 | Cairenn | it's been there since basically day one - if your account is in the process of the renewing (whether auto or not) - you can't post on the forums that day, even though you can log into game |
| 04:33.51 | Cairenn | tomorrow you'll be able to log in fine |
| 04:33.55 | Cairenn | (on the forums) |
| 04:33.56 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I'm one of the few people who uses different passwords everywhere, changes them every six months, etc etc |
| 04:34.07 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, ah, like that |
| 04:34.20 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: When _my_ s**t gets compromised, it's a calendar-marking event |
| 04:34.27 | Dagmar | So far, my calendar is clean |
| 04:34.38 | Thunder_Child | same, an i am laxy and use one PW |
| 04:34.51 | Thunder_Child | though it is 15 digits or so long |
| 04:35.12 | Dagmar | I've got an app in my Palm so I can actually kepe track of whem to change the admn thing |
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| 04:35.46 | Dagmar | Cairenn: It's good to know the forums do that. Now I've got to find a way to get the renewal date on a friends accouont so I can pull a prank on him. :) |
| 04:36.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:36.17 | Dagmar | Oh my lord hahah |
| 04:36.26 | Dagmar | The exp date on my CC is 08/08. Lemme fix that. heheh |
| 04:36.39 | Dagmar | It's been charging for *months* with the expired number |
| 04:36.44 | Shirik | Dagmar: I had the same thing happen |
| 04:36.49 | Shirik | in fact, I think they're STILL charging an expired CC |
| 04:37.29 | Shirik | which in all honesty scares the hell out of me |
| 04:37.40 | Dagmar | Must have something to do with transaction tokens |
| 04:37.49 | Dagmar | I'm glad it works tho. :) |
| 04:40.30 | Dagmar | I'm the kinda guy who'd be calling CS going "TEHY BE TAKIN MAH NESINGWARIES!" |
| 04:40.52 | Dagmar | ...and then carefully explaining that I need to know where the IP address of the compromise was, so I can go and kill everyone there. |
| 04:41.00 | Dagmar | If the judge isn't a newb, he'll understand. |
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| 04:41.49 | Dagmar | Items can be restored, but delicious vengeance comes to those who move swiftly and strike without mercy. |
| 04:43.02 | Wobin | I've had the same issue Dag |
| 04:43.24 | Wobin | luckily for me it was during a WM debate |
| 04:43.36 | Wobin | and it handily prevented me from venting wrath on the boards =P |
| 04:44.47 | Kemayo | ADDONS WANT TO BE FREEEEEE! |
| 04:44.51 | Kemayo | *ahem* |
| 04:47.11 | Wobin | They want to break free |
| 04:47.55 | Wobin | They want to break free from your lies you're so, self satisfied, they don't neeeeed you |
| 04:50.41 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:50.44 | Shirik | yogg-saron is no joke |
| 04:53.33 | Kraps | how would i find an active leveling guild without asking anyone? |
| 05:01.36 | Wobin | check achievements on random guilds? |
| 05:02.05 | Wobin | also, what's an 'active levelling guild'? |
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| 05:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: /facepalm |
| 05:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | (aka: ping) |
| 05:10.18 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://s.wowinterface.com/storage/newsimages/securitymanager.jpg |
| 05:10.31 | ScytheBlade1 | See that link? .jpg? |
| 05:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It's 1 1.5MB .psd |
| 05:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ 1 / a / |
| 05:10.44 | Cairenn | wtf |
| 05:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | securitymanager.jpg: Adobe Photoshop Image |
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| 05:11.13 | Cairenn | stupid thing |
| 05:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Your thumbnail is great |
| 05:14.37 | Cairenn | yeah ... |
| 05:14.40 | Cairenn | grrrr |
| 05:17.08 | Zamoria | anyone else reminded of farscape whenever you hear 1812 overture? |
| 05:17.23 | Cairenn | fixed |
| 05:17.27 | Cairenn | thank you ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 05:17.38 | Thunder_Child | Zamoria, only when someone brings it u[[ |
| 05:17.44 | Cairenn | don't know how the hell I messed that up, but whatever |
| 05:17.46 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:17.47 | ScytheBlade1 | When I click links that don't work, I figure out why :) |
| 05:17.50 | Torhal | Cairenn: So if I make a different username, I can then be uncivil? :D |
| 05:18.00 | Cairenn | Torhal: no :p |
| 05:18.09 | Torhal | Blargh! |
| 05:18.15 | Thunder_Child | s/[[/p/ |
| 05:18.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:19.11 | Shirik | Ok, is there a way to set a script to a key binding? |
| 05:19.38 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: ^^ |
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| 05:47.03 | Thunder_Child | http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/05/cable-blues-tangled-crazy-wiring-part-6.html |
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| 06:01.52 | msou| | is it true the requirement to get the violet key is 75 and up? |
| 06:02.05 | msou| | level 75 |
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| 06:16.43 | Wobin | Zamoria: not particularly... in what way are they the same? |
| 06:17.14 | Zamoria | Wobin: ? |
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| 06:18.27 | Zamoria | http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/DRD_%221812%22 |
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| 06:24.49 | msou| | so yesterday I did that nicest quest I've done so far |
| 06:25.07 | msou| | the one you get from that dragon by the wrath gate |
| 06:27.37 | Zamoria | http://failblog.org/2009/04/28/tan-line-fail/ <-- might be a redneck |
| 06:29.29 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten a tan like that before...... |
| 06:29.46 | Arrowmaster | now i wear fitted hats and not adjustable ones |
| 06:31.25 | zenzio | I find it spooky that "incest" and "nicest" are only one typo apart |
| 06:32.33 | widgertick | Star Trek |
| 06:32.39 | widgertick | How do I love thee? |
| 06:32.43 | widgertick | Let me count the ways |
| 06:32.46 | Shirik | ok wow |
| 06:32.48 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 06:32.50 | widgertick | pi |
| 06:32.53 | widgertick | Infinity |
| 06:32.53 | Shirik | we just killed a paladin in arena |
| 06:32.59 | Shirik | without ever targetting him |
| 06:33.06 | tekkub | hax |
| 06:33.11 | zenzio | Shirik: he died from lack of attention? |
| 06:33.15 | tekkub | everyone knows pallies don't die |
| 06:33.16 | Shirik | did SO MUCH damage from blessing of sacrifice |
| 06:33.17 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:34.01 | Shirik | I just looked over at hp bars and I was lke "wtf is going on" then he died |
| 06:50.55 | JackBurton76761 | In Pitbull the targets health data crowds out the NPC's name. I cant find out how to fix that in the /pitbull settings |
| 07:01.38 | Thunder_Child | JackBurton76761, on which frame? |
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| 07:05.20 | Thunder_Child | JackBurton76761, Layout Editor -> texts -> Health -> code |
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| 07:38.21 | Wobin | hm |
| 07:38.26 | Wobin | what metagem would a hunter use? |
| 07:42.44 | airtonix_ | 21% increased trap skills |
| 07:42.58 | airtonix_ | 2% reduced tradespam |
| 07:52.27 | Cairenn | man, who the heck is this Vidi guy and who peed in his cornflakes? sheesh |
| 07:56.08 | zenzio | ..? |
| 07:56.28 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/05/07/mmoui-minion-is-coming/#comments |
| 07:57.39 | *** part/#wowuidev JackBurton76761 (n=JackBurt@81.90.20.2) |
| 07:57.41 | Cairenn | I ... don't even know how to begin to answer his "you don't do jackshit, except make money off the sweat of the authors" |
| 07:58.09 | Cairenn | anything I type, I have to keep erasing because it is so less than "professional" |
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| 07:59.22 | Fisker- | troll'd |
| 07:59.39 | Dewin1 | sigh |
| 07:59.43 | zenzio | "Do NOT buy into their line that their BANDWIDTH was being stolen. Their badwidth is PAID FOR through advertising dollars [...]" -- yeah, fat bit of advertising income when the users don't see the ads because you're using an unofficial client |
| 07:59.46 | Dewin1 | finally get an emalon group and crash midfight |
| 08:00.07 | Cairenn | zenzio: wait for it, he continues throughout |
| 08:02.46 | Wobin | wow |
| 08:02.56 | Wobin | someone -really- peed in his cornflakes |
| 08:03.03 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:03.26 | Fisker- | i'd pee on his cornflakes any day |
| 08:03.31 | zenzio | that post about one vs. two mouse buttons reminds me of the two recent posts on the Old New Thing; http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/30/9577283.aspx and http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/05/01/9581563.aspx |
| 08:04.12 | Cairenn | like I said, I don't even know how to respond to a lot of it while still trying to be at all professional |
| 08:04.32 | Cairenn | "And lets talk premium service shall we? I personally think its offensive that you people ( curse and wowinterface ) can charge for premium service while the addon authors who do the ACTUAL WORK you ONLY HOST cannot charge a dime for their add ons." |
| 08:04.49 | Cairenn | how the hell do I respond to that? |
| 08:05.18 | Cairenn | I mean, he's right, right? I don't do jackshit but sit around on my ass all day and just rake in the cash |
| 08:05.47 | zenzio | authors don't have to upload to WoWI, they choose to |
| 08:06.18 | Cairenn | that's why my husband has been living in and working in a completely different COUNTRY from myself and our daughter for the last, what, almost 8 years now? |
| 08:06.20 | [Ammo] | you're an evil moneyhungry woman cairenn |
| 08:06.23 | [Ammo] | dispicable! |
| 08:06.29 | Cairenn | yeah, I'm so fucking rolling in the dough, I tell ya |
| 08:06.35 | Fisker- | has us gotten to the point where they're champions with all factions yet? |
| 08:06.39 | [Ammo] | pics! or it didn't happen! |
| 08:06.47 | [Ammo] | roll in it all greased up plix |
| 08:06.48 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 08:06.52 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:07.03 | Cairenn | hugs you guys |
| 08:07.24 | [Ammo] | damn whiners had their toy taken away, or at least the batteries removed |
| 08:07.33 | [Ammo] | and now they have to scream on the internet |
| 08:08.05 | *** topic/#wowuidev by widgertick -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 | WTB cash rakes PST widgertick |
| 08:08.20 | Cairenn | lol, thanks widgertick |
| 08:08.30 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 08:08.36 | widgertick | hugs Cairenn |
| 08:08.56 | Cairenn | honest to god, if I didn't have you guys, I would SO walk away from all of this some days |
| 08:09.02 | Corrodias | haaah |
| 08:09.06 | Wobin | Fisker-: I think one of my guildies has reached that point |
| 08:09.20 | [Ammo] | I guess you need an asbestos swimsuit to roll in that dough |
| 08:09.25 | [Ammo] | win win situation right there |
| 08:09.27 | Corrodias | i suppose a cash rake should not have pointy bits, because that could damage the paper |
| 08:09.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:09.29 | Wobin | or maybe one faction away |
| 08:09.36 | Wobin | Corrodias: pft |
| 08:09.40 | Wobin | you have weak money =) |
| 08:09.56 | Shirik | I just ignore him |
| 08:09.59 | Shirik | he's on WoWInsider so |
| 08:10.04 | Shirik | he's already lost half his brain |
| 08:12.29 | Shirik | um |
| 08:12.40 | Shirik | on wowhead, what is the kinda beige text color mean? |
| 08:12.50 | Cairenn | vip |
| 08:12.54 | Fisker- | Wobin can you ask him he lost the ability to do valiant dailies? |
| 08:13.07 | Wobin | sure, next time I see him |
| 08:13.21 | Shirik | my text color magically changed >.> |
| 08:13.24 | Wobin | but, probably, I mean you'd have to be a valient with a faction to get the dailies, wouldn't you? |
| 08:13.42 | Fisker- | true |
| 08:13.44 | Fisker- | but who knows? |
| 08:13.51 | Fisker- | Maybe blizzard thought of it |
| 08:15.52 | Wobin | also, wtf vaporware? |
| 08:16.00 | Fisker- | :3? |
| 08:16.08 | Wobin | I suspect Vidi is projecting his DNF dreams on you, Cair =P |
| 08:16.42 | Fisker- | if Cairenn want the users respect she should fund DNF the 5 million they need to finish |
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| 08:19.49 | ZorbaTHut | argh. few things are tougher than trying to come up with a way to tell an old guild leader "you're a nice guy, but you suck, and I like being in the #1 faction guild" without actually, you know, saying so. :( |
| 08:20.01 | Wobin | Also, Cairenn, do you think he's noticed that WoWInsider advertise for non WoW related products? =P |
| 08:20.16 | Elly | ZorbaTHut: well, maybe you can give constructive criticism? |
| 08:20.38 | Cairenn | Wobin: unlikely, he's likely got blinders on |
| 08:20.45 | Cairenn | only sees what he wants to see |
| 08:20.46 | ZorbaTHut | elly, I'm not sure I know how well enough - the problem was just that they weren't very good raid leaders. Too much superstition, not enough logical analysis |
| 08:20.49 | Corrodias | <Zorba> "Not only do you suck, old GL, but also even -i- know how to run a guild better!" |
| 08:21.03 | Corrodias | is this constructive enough? :D |
| 08:21.11 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: "Do not have the Black Tabby pet out on this pull!"? |
| 08:21.17 | Elly | so basically, take what Corrodias suggested, and do the opposite of that |
| 08:21.24 | ZorbaTHut | and not great guild leaders either, they'd boot people regularly who were good but *not quite good enough* (and not friends with the guild leader) |
| 08:21.47 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: If they did that, just say "I didn't feel I was quite good enough for your standards" |
| 08:21.51 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, one of them made me raid leader for an entire naxx25 run because "it seeds the random number generator differently so we get different loot" |
| 08:22.34 | ZorbaTHut | same guy who'd invented a set of complicated color-code meanings for the slimes in Naxx, which, from what I've been able to figure out later, just randomly turn different colors for fun. |
| 08:24.05 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: flee |
| 08:24.09 | Wobin | flee while you still can =P |
| 08:24.10 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, they weren't terrible - they got faction first sarth+2, and even in the present day there's only three guilds in my faction that have managed that. but I'm in the one surviving guild that managed sarth+3, and the current faction leader in ulduar25 by four bosses (5 vs 1, our server sucks :P). so . . . yeah, no. |
| 08:24.17 | ZorbaTHut | I already fled, they're trying to get me to go back ;) |
| 08:24.35 | Wobin | Just say "Sorry, I've committed to this guild now." |
| 08:24.48 | ZorbaTHut | that's pretty much what I said, yeah. |
| 08:24.49 | Wobin | "And I keep my promises" |
| 08:25.27 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: Although those slime colours refer to what they're immune to, right? |
| 08:25.41 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: you got my mail? |
| 08:25.44 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, they might. In his world, "blue" meant "they one-shot tanks", I believe |
| 08:25.46 | msou| | hope it was helpful |
| 08:25.56 | Wobin | maybe frost dks =) |
| 08:25.58 | ZorbaTHut | msou, yeah, I think I responded too - the latter bug is fixed in the 1.0 beta, so use the beta :) |
| 08:26.20 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: before I start everyday I check if there is a newer version =) |
| 08:26.35 | ZorbaTHut | it's a beta, it's only posted on curse and it won't auto-update because it's not a release version ;) |
| 08:26.42 | airtonix_ | raid: why we wipe? random : zorba had the black cat out! |
| 08:26.46 | msou| | no I do things manually |
| 08:26.56 | msou| | I don't have curse client or whatever it is |
| 08:27.04 | ZorbaTHut | well, there's been a beta around on curse for about a week now, so, make sure you're using it ;) |
| 08:27.14 | msou| | I have the rc one |
| 08:27.19 | msou| | 12-rc iirc |
| 08:27.28 | msou| | was released yesterday |
| 08:27.40 | ZorbaTHut | alright, the crash bug was from 0.106, which is quite obsolete |
| 08:28.07 | msou| | strange.. I got it few days back though |
| 08:28.17 | msou| | I cannot remember when exactly btu ok |
| 08:28.32 | Fisker- | 4 days and you can refer to me as Crusader Fisker- :3 |
| 08:29.12 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: also the estimated time when you fly |
| 08:29.46 | msou| | I had that for a few days now =) not complaining by the way |
| 08:30.02 | ZorbaTHut | the estimated flying time is occasionally a little sketchy :) |
| 08:30.10 | msou| | hehe |
| 08:30.23 | msou| | the only thing I complain about is the massive lag in dragonblight |
| 08:31.18 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: flight path time or time to target based on distance and movement speed? |
| 08:31.38 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, I've actually got both, and they're both somewhat sketchy ;) |
| 08:31.58 | Arrowmaster | whats the update interval your using for calculating movement speed? |
| 08:32.42 | Arrowmaster | ive found that using 0.5 was too short and to get more consistant results that didnt jump around i had to use 1.0 |
| 08:32.50 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not, actually, I'm not doing realtime estimates at all |
| 08:32.59 | Arrowmaster | you arent? |
| 08:33.05 | ZorbaTHut | in the case of flight paths I'm using precanned estimates calculated in my build step, for movement I'm just assuming straight-line right now |
| 08:33.22 | ZorbaTHut | they're the same estimates I'm using in routing, which is convenient for debugging |
| 08:33.43 | Arrowmaster | oh so are you using GetUnitSpeed()? |
| 08:34.25 | Arrowmaster | or do you not have a time estimate but just a distance estimate |
| 08:35.04 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a time estimate, but it's based on just knowing how fast people usually run |
| 08:35.23 | ZorbaTHut | since these estimates need to work with flying mounts also, and need to all exist on load time, I just use canned numbers |
| 08:35.39 | ZorbaTHut | the difference from a runspeed enchant or a 310% mount just isn't enough for me to care |
| 08:40.02 | Jamash | "not a bug: developer does not care" |
| 08:42.07 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking the new QH had its own direction arrow with distance and time or something and that was the sketchy time estimate, and from my work on fubar_speedfu i know that the rate you update can severly effect the accuracy of speed calculations |
| 08:43.11 | ZorbaTHut | it does, but I didn't bother putting time in :) I'm only doing time estimates for time-to-selected-node and flightpaths |
| 08:43.58 | Jamash | I never really cared for time estimations except for flightpaths. |
| 08:45.09 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, same |
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| 08:47.37 | Jamash | argh I half finished some changes last time I worked on my addon and didn't make a note of what they were |
| 08:48.24 | Jamash | so now it's trying to add a number to a table :p |
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| 08:51.32 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: I am not sure if the feuture already exist in QH |
| 08:51.52 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, it's amazing how rarely that particular operation works ;) |
| 08:52.02 | msou| | was playing with someone and he said "allies here" and claimed that carbonite can tell him if the other fiction is around |
| 08:52.33 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it can, through some horrifying hackery involving spamming a private channel |
| 08:52.39 | ZorbaTHut | questhelper will never do that. |
| 08:52.44 | msou| | oh |
| 08:53.07 | msou| | will, I don't need it necessary |
| 08:53.27 | msou| | I just hate the guys who come behind your back and kill you especially when you're trying to complete a quest |
| 08:53.29 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't entirely surprise me if blizzard ended up telling them to stop, thanks to the new development guidelines, also |
| 08:53.48 | ZorbaTHut | get some http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42997 :) |
| 08:53.57 | msou| | I just have two addons installed.. QH and auc |
| 08:54.11 | msou| | let me check |
| 08:54.14 | Jamash | or roll a hunter :) |
| 08:54.29 | msou| | oh |
| 08:54.30 | msou| | hehe |
| 08:54.50 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: I just got the item where it teaches me to maximize my first aid =) |
| 08:55.04 | msou| | I think I am at 415 or 16 somewhere there |
| 08:55.47 | msou| | I did the greatest quest yesterday hehe |
| 08:56.08 | msou| | today I have to check if I can get the violet hold key |
| 08:56.26 | msou| | it's in dalaran somewhere |
| 08:58.04 | Elly | ZorbaTHut: which server are you on? |
| 08:58.33 | ZorbaTHut | elly, Shattered Halls US |
| 08:58.34 | ZorbaTHut | Alliance |
| 08:58.38 | Elly | ahh |
| 08:58.46 | Elly | I've never seriously played an alliance character before :O |
| 08:58.50 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise known as The Server Where Bosses Go To Not Die |
| 08:58.54 | Elly | haha |
| 08:59.06 | Elly | I'm on Scarlet Crusade US |
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| 09:27.13 | Jamash | Lua tables suck. |
| 09:30.25 | jnwhiteh | s/suck/are incredibly versatile/ |
| 09:30.29 | jnwhiteh | fixed it for you |
| 09:30.59 | jnwhiteh | I dont think I've ever heard anyone say they suck before! |
| 09:31.02 | Jamash | How many items are there in this table? Lua doesn't know! |
| 09:31.36 | Jamash | I suppose I have to do a metatable hack to add a item counter, or something. |
| 09:31.46 | jnwhiteh | uhh |
| 09:31.49 | jnwhiteh | if its an array, #tbl |
| 09:31.54 | Jamash | It is not. |
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| 09:31.58 | jnwhiteh | if not, you can manually keep your own count without much of an issue |
| 09:32.06 | jnwhiteh | or implement your own function that counts for you |
| 09:32.08 | jnwhiteh | its trivial! |
| 09:32.13 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, yeah, I wrote a function to count the items. that said, *usually*, if it's not a table, you don't care all that much |
| 09:33.30 | Jamash | I'm trying to count unique items in a set (more or less). I first tried to do this by doing table[item] = true and then I tried printing #table and it told me 0 :( |
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| 09:35.38 | Jamash | I think my complaint is that arrays and dictionaries share the same data type, I'm used to them being distinct, and having their own reasonably rich set of primitives |
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| 10:33.09 | Wobin | Jamash: so add in a count value |
| 10:33.21 | Wobin | every time you add in an element that doesn't already exist, increment it |
| 10:33.46 | Jamash | eh, I'm over it, I'm printing out the keys of the array instead of the number of items |
| 10:39.03 | Jamash | I have successfully replaced 18 lines of "You have learned / unlearned X." with one or two lines of "You have learned / unlearned X, Y, Z, A, B, C." |
| 10:39.44 | zenzio | that's neat; but where is this used? |
| 10:42.20 | Jamash | when swapping dual talent specs |
| 10:43.17 | Wobin | good deal =) |
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| 10:45.01 | zenzio | Jamash: cool :) So you silence the normal output from those events, poll them up, and print them after not receiving new events for some interval? |
| 10:45.24 | zenzio | hrm, poll is a bad word in that sentence. Gather, rather |
| 10:46.21 | Jamash | Broadly, yes. I can detect the start and end of the process of swapping specs or unlearning talents at the trainer, so no interval timing required. |
| 10:46.45 | zenzio | oh, I see |
| 10:47.07 | Jamash | I collect up everything and display it when PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE fires. |
| 10:48.21 | Wobin | I have to do something similar to remove and check addonwhispers |
| 10:51.11 | Jamash | argh, attempt to compare number with string |
| 10:52.31 | Wobin | what's the addon called? |
| 10:53.01 | Jamash | Learning Aid |
| 10:53.16 | Wobin | does it do other stuff? |
| 10:54.08 | Jamash | yeah, it displays a window of ability icons when you learn them that you can drag to your action bars |
| 10:54.34 | Jamash | it can also search your action bars and spellbook to find abilities that aren't on your bars |
| 10:55.18 | Jamash | and in the next version it will remember where your abilities learned from talents were when you unlearn your talents, and put them back when you relearn them |
| 10:55.30 | Pneumatus | the default blizz interface does that for you |
| 10:56.20 | Jamash | when swapping specs, yes |
| 10:56.36 | Jamash | not when you reset your talents at the trainer or when a patch resets your talents |
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| 11:08.55 | Jamash | ok, string mangling finished, now for some fancy formatting |
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| 11:30.43 | tlund | Jamash: i dont get it. when switching talent specs, it also switched actionbars. why would you need to place any new icons? |
| 11:31.06 | Jamash | you don't, when using dual specs |
| 11:31.28 | Jamash | however when going to the trainer to reset your talents, you do |
| 11:31.28 | zenzio | if I read him right, he said it only disables the text-spam when you switch talent specs |
| 11:31.45 | zenzio | him as in Jamash |
| 11:31.52 | Wobin | no it does more |
| 11:32.31 | zenzio | what else does it do when you switch talent spec? |
| 11:33.35 | Jamash | When swapping talent specs it justs reduces the spam. |
| 11:33.42 | Jamash | s/justs/just/ |
| 11:34.35 | Jamash | However when resetting talents at the trainer, it saves the abilities that vanish off your bars so that if you relearn them later they'll magically reappear. |
| 11:35.30 | zenzio | yeah, but tlund seemed to be confusing the talent switch functionality with the talent reset functionality |
| 11:36.14 | Jamash | ya |
| 11:37.11 | tlund | soo the "it displays a window of ability icons when you learn them that you can drag to your action bars" happens when you learn a taletn manually, but not when switching specs? |
| 11:37.27 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: ping. Is there any way to add an "auto-run" functionality to wowlua, so that it'd run a specific page on login? |
| 11:37.37 | jnwhiteh | there is a plan to, yes |
| 11:37.43 | jnwhiteh | in the next month or so |
| 11:37.43 | tlund | jnwhiteh: that might be nice, yes. |
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| 11:37.52 | jnwhiteh | and a better file browser |
| 11:38.00 | Fisker- | wroom wroom i'm a tank |
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| 11:38.51 | Jamash | tlund: yeah |
| 11:39.21 | tlund | Jamash: that might indeed be a usefull feature |
| 11:40.08 | Jamash | I find it pretty useful myself :) |
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| 11:42.23 | Jamash | now I gotta put in some options for respeccing: leave chat spam alone, reduce it to one or two lines, or get rid of it completely |
| 11:50.46 | Fisker- | tackles jnwhiteh |
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| 12:05.42 | Wobin | just have the reduction option |
| 12:05.48 | Wobin | no need to deluge them with choices |
| 12:08.07 | Jamash | eh, I like choices |
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| 12:20.40 | Jamash | mmm, too sleepy to code, time for bed |
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| 12:23.49 | cncfanatics | o/ |
| 12:24.04 | zenzio | \o |
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| 12:24.33 | cncfanatics | Taroven: ping |
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| 12:38.19 | Lunessa | Station |
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| 12:43.23 | Fisker- | brick in your face |
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| 12:53.24 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: UR MOM |
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| 12:56.35 | Fisker- | no u |
| 13:06.25 | Lunessa | See Fisker-, this is why we can't have nice things. |
| 13:07.54 | Fisker- | no u :( |
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| 13:13.17 | jnwhiteh | oh jesus |
| 13:13.36 | jnwhiteh | how can i get a possession bar |
| 13:13.51 | jnwhiteh | or is there a priest that can help me test something |
| 13:13.55 | alestane | BWL, first boss? |
| 13:14.10 | jnwhiteh | that's not really an easy feat to pull off these days |
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| 13:17.21 | jnwhiteh | or i could level a priest to 30 |
| 13:17.22 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:17.54 | Lopeppeppy | What do you need a level 30 priest to do? |
| 13:17.58 | jnwhiteh | mind control |
| 13:18.07 | jnwhiteh | but i may be able to do it with the steam tonk controller |
| 13:18.07 | Lopeppeppy | oooh. *nod* |
| 13:18.12 | alestane | jnwhiteh: I have a 61 priest if you need help with something simple. |
| 13:18.44 | jnwhiteh | I just need to verify the returns/arguments/behavior of GameTooltip:SetPossession() |
| 13:19.46 | alestane | So, log in, MC something, *???*, type /dump GameTootip:SetPossession(), and profit? |
| 13:20.44 | jnwhiteh | well test it and make sure it works for each action slot |
| 13:20.46 | jnwhiteh | at least the ones you have listed |
| 13:20.51 | jnwhiteh | and yeah see if it returns anything |
| 13:20.53 | jnwhiteh | then tell me :P |
| 13:21.13 | jnwhiteh | but i have a tonk |
| 13:21.14 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 13:21.44 | jnwhiteh | DAMN |
| 13:21.47 | jnwhiteh | a tonk is a vehicle |
| 13:21.52 | jnwhiteh | so yeah if you could test it'd be nice :P |
| 13:22.24 | Lunessa | Be excellent to each other. Party on, dudes! |
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| 13:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, that's my line, Lunessa. |
| 13:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | Why are you up so early, dear? |
| 13:23.25 | Lunessa | Actually, it's Ted Theodore Logan and Bill S. Preston, Esq.'s lines... |
| 13:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.twolumps.net/d/20090504.html |
| 13:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | pokes the bejeebus out of Lunessa. |
| 13:23.39 | Lunessa | I'm covering at work today for people who must be out. |
| 13:23.52 | alestane | So, do I need to make another tooltip to set to the possession or something? I don't spend a ton of time working with tooltips. |
| 13:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Presto chango screw up your sleep shift coverage. |
| 13:23.55 | Fisker- | FAILINSIDER = FAIL |
| 13:23.56 | Fisker- | Blizzard says they won't tell you what's in the BlizzCon bags this year until all of the tickets are sold out. Seems weird, right? Wouldn't knowing what you'll get with the bag encourage you to buy tickets? |
| 13:24.10 | Fisker- | Weird? Perhaps they don't want people scoring the tickets for the goodie bags alone |
| 13:24.11 | jnwhiteh | a bit too much |
| 13:24.18 | Fisker- | People are going to buy their tickets regardless |
| 13:24.18 | Fisker- | l2p |
| 13:24.19 | Cide | maybe you'd stock up on tickets and sell the contents |
| 13:24.33 | Cide | that might be hard though... dunno |
| 13:24.41 | Kraps | But apparently not -- *they've always announced the goodies post ticket sales and pre-event*, so we'll just have to wait and see what comes up this year. |
| 13:24.46 | Kraps | wut |
| 13:24.57 | Kraps | non-news news |
| 13:25.25 | Kraps | this is all in the same paragraph |
| 13:25.40 | jnwhiteh | alestane: thanks for offering to help |
| 13:27.09 | Kraps | why do you think the rolling restarts? |
| 13:27.13 | Lunessa | WoWInsider is the single worst source of WoW "news" and information it has ever been my displeasure to encounter. /2 generally has more accurate information. *hangs head* |
| 13:27.42 | Kraps | Lunessa: nah |
| 13:27.47 | nicoli_s | whatd they do this time lunessa? |
| 13:27.56 | Lopeppeppy | They posted crap again, nicoli_s. |
| 13:28.23 | Lunessa | It's just a general trend to post badly written, badly researched, factually incorrect information... time and time again. |
| 13:29.05 | nicoli_s | what did they do this time Lopeppeppy? besides turn the minion news post into curse bashing |
| 13:29.17 | Fisker- | wowinsider is like a comedy site |
| 13:29.21 | Fisker- | they just don't know about it |
| 13:29.25 | Kraps | should i put exp on bracers or something else? http://armorylite.com/us/dalvengyr/ertis |
| 13:29.25 | Lopeppeppy | Dark dank humor comedy |
| 13:29.59 | nicoli_s | its not that Lopeppeppy, i like all those things |
| 13:30.08 | nicoli_s | and i certainly dont like wowinsider |
| 13:30.42 | mikma | ~rng |
| 13:30.43 | purl | i guess rng is the random number god, sacrifice to this if you often play RPG's or are using Windows |
| 13:30.44 | Lopeppeppy | If they were accurate and unbiased, they'd be great. |
| 13:30.49 | Adys | http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1127 |
| 13:30.50 | Adys | hahah |
| 13:31.01 | Adys | i should read my feeds more often |
| 13:31.01 | alestane | jnwhiteh: I'm not getting any returns at the moment. I'm also not seeing any effect. |
| 13:31.09 | Lopeppeppy | But they are really like my college newspaper -- and that's pretty darned horrible. |
| 13:31.09 | alestane | But I'm not sure I'm using it right. |
| 13:31.28 | jnwhiteh | alestane: http://pastey.net/113816 |
| 13:31.34 | nicoli_s | my old collegee newspaper was pretty shitty too |
| 13:31.36 | jnwhiteh | then ItemRefTooltip:SetPossession() |
| 13:31.37 | jnwhiteh | and play with the args |
| 13:33.18 | Fisker- | kinda sucks Adys |
| 13:33.22 | Lunessa | Duke is the Amiga of Gaming Development. A brilliant, deeply loved product that kills any business that touches it. |
| 13:33.44 | Fisker- | Almost done with the ~most anticipated game of the century, then one day they go to work and find out they're out of money |
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| 13:34.37 | Lunessa | Well, development has been "ongoing" for more than a decade. At this point, it's more like a hobby that pays salaries. |
| 13:34.43 | Adys | http://blag.xkcd.com/2009/05/07/duke-nukem-forever/ |
| 13:35.21 | alestane | jnwhiteh: SetPossession() with no args throws a usage error. SetPossession(1) sets it to Mind Control. |
| 13:35.29 | jnwhiteh | whats the usage error? |
| 13:35.35 | jnwhiteh | it should have the arg name |
| 13:35.37 | jnwhiteh | that' sall i care about |
| 13:35.40 | alestane | slot |
| 13:35.52 | jnwhiteh | and does it return anything for any other arg? |
| 13:36.12 | alestane | Calling it with 2 or 3 has no visible effect. |
| 13:36.17 | jnwhiteh | very very bizarre |
| 13:36.18 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 13:36.40 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 13:36.43 | jnwhiteh | its only used for the cancel slot |
| 13:36.45 | jnwhiteh | so that makes sense |
| 13:37.03 | Wobin | ahahah |
| 13:37.03 | Wobin | http://twolumps.net/d/20090504.html |
| 13:37.03 | jnwhiteh | err, i guess |
| 13:37.03 | alestane | Was that useful? |
| 13:37.21 | jnwhiteh | alestane: yeah thans. |
| 13:37.23 | Wobin | <3 twolumps =) |
| 13:37.41 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I showed you that just a few minutes ago. *poke* |
| 13:38.05 | Wobin | I've been away =) |
| 13:38.23 | alestane | jnwhiteh: As far as I can tell it's used for the first of the two buttons that appears over your action bar when you possess something. |
| 13:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | Learn to scroll up for important Peppy announcements. *harumph* |
| 13:38.33 | jnwhiteh | alestane: *nod* |
| 13:39.41 | Fisker- | WTB $5,000,000 |
| 13:39.56 | cncfanatics | mmmm, PEPSI |
| 13:40.09 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy: I hereby rename you Lopeppepsi |
| 13:40.37 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I do have Mt. Dew for breakfast. |
| 13:41.13 | cncfanatics | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.15 | nicoli_s | the breakfast of champions |
| 13:41.56 | nicoli_s | which is a great book |
| 13:42.31 | Wobin | is it a serial? |
| 13:42.47 | nicoli_s | nope |
| 13:42.56 | nicoli_s | it's by kurt vonnegut |
| 13:53.29 | Fisker- | oh so i'm not important enough Shirik ? |
| 13:53.32 | Lunessa | lathers up Wobin and nicoli_s with glue and rolls them in thumbtacks. |
| 13:53.49 | Kraps | totalbiscuit is good |
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| 14:02.02 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo. |
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| 14:04.51 | Wobin | http://twolumps.net/d/20090223.html |
| 14:05.46 | Lunessa | There's just something /wrong/ with an AddOn named "MountMe" |
| 14:06.36 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 14:06.42 | jnwhiteh | s/AddOn named "MountMe"/AddOn author named "tekkub"/ |
| 14:08.10 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: So true. SO. TRUE. |
| 14:10.20 | kneeki | jnwhiteh, I think it's hilarious |
| 14:11.11 | Wobin | I wonder how many addon names I'm responsible for =P |
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| 14:13.01 | Lunessa | Wobin as long as it's AddOns and not children, you can be responsible for as many as you like. |
| 14:13.19 | Wobin | Truly |
| 14:13.32 | kneeki | heeee |
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| 14:14.10 | Wobin | one of my friends works in CPS in one of the more "redneck" equivalent locations around here |
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| 14:14.23 | Wobin | Some of the names those parents name their kids are ... horrific |
| 14:14.25 | kneeki | Anyone here use Cedega + Linux? |
| 14:14.36 | Lopeppeppy | Billy Joe Jim Bob! |
| 14:14.37 | Mikk | JoeBillyBob? |
| 14:14.38 | Mikk | Damnit |
| 14:14.42 | nicoli_s | like the name desiree? |
| 14:14.45 | Wobin | Well, not american redneck |
| 14:14.58 | Wobin | also, they'd spell it Dysiryee |
| 14:15.16 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:15.24 | Wobin | A lot of them seem to think that adding in silent letters makes their child UNIQUE AND SPECIAL |
| 14:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | Or they pronounce Desire as "De-see-ray" |
| 14:15.27 | nicoli_s | thats the worst, when they fuck up the spelling to feel unique |
| 14:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | QBilly! |
| 14:15.44 | nicoli_s | its like when they pronounce town names real weird |
| 14:15.55 | nicoli_s | like i live near arab, al, which is always A-rab |
| 14:16.16 | nicoli_s | and cairo, which is kay-ro |
| 14:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, I live in the area of weird town names. Niskayuna. Oswegatchie. Wanakena. Schenectady. |
| 14:16.34 | Wobin | "Rooty Hill" |
| 14:16.38 | Lopeppeppy | Schuylervilla. |
| 14:16.41 | Lopeppeppy | *ville |
| 14:16.42 | Seerah | my brother in law and his wife named their first daughter Danialle. They've given up on that and it's Danielle now |
| 14:16.46 | Wobin | "Woolloomoolloo" |
| 14:16.48 | nicoli_s | thats almost up there with people who refer to the town i live in as huntsvegas |
| 14:17.01 | Wobin | "Indooroopili" |
| 14:18.04 | Wobin | "Bald Knob" |
| 14:18.44 | nicoli_s | well thats not silly, thats just descriptive |
| 14:20.06 | Lopeppeppy | Dirty. Rawr. |
| 14:22.30 | Wobin | "Humpybong" |
| 14:22.42 | Wobin | "Mount Buggery" |
| 14:22.51 | Seerah | Hell (in Michigan) |
| 14:23.06 | Lunessa | Seerah: Gratz. |
| 14:28.25 | Mikk | The curious mind wants to know who's been buggered by a mountain |
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| 14:29.08 | Lopeppeppy | .... no, no no. |
| 14:29.23 | alestane | That went to kind of a weird place. |
| 14:29.28 | Mikk | And whether or not it would be more or less uncomfortable than the standard phone pole rolled in tabasco and metal shavings |
| 14:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Thumbtacks are better, Mikk. |
| 14:30.37 | Mikk | Are they? I'd imagine they'd juts stick in and then work as gliding surface |
| 14:30.48 | Mikk | Metal shavings are more of a grating / rolling thing |
| 14:30.51 | kneeki | zomg! Just one more day of dailys with Kalu'ak until exalted! |
| 14:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, kneeki! |
| 14:31.21 | kneeki | :D |
| 14:31.31 | Wobin | yay pengu! |
| 14:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | wants a pengu too. |
| 14:33.04 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/color_illusion.gif old, but good, this ain't a spooky version btw |
| 14:33.56 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't work for me, mikma... my eyes and brain are weird that way, with illusions. |
| 14:34.15 | nicoli_s | i had to watch it twice before i saw it, the color is supposed to like bleed out right? |
| 14:34.39 | mikma | lopeppeppy: aww :( |
| 14:34.57 | foxlit|mac | You're supposed to overcompensate for the sudden lack of saturation by interpreting it as an opposite hue. |
| 14:35.02 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/well_well_well.jpg |
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| 14:35.39 | mikma | nicoli_s: you just need to stare at the black spot for 15sec, and the picture turnes into colored one when the black&white swaps out |
| 14:35.47 | Seerah | mikma: works for me! that's cool :) though my eyes seem to adjust quickly and get rid of the color |
| 14:36.14 | foxlit|mac | Sort of like "hey, it's no longer yellow. It must be blue!" |
| 14:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | Gave me a headache though. Owies. |
| 14:36.45 | mikma | seerah: if you move the focus to somewhere else = it turns black&White |
| 14:36.55 | mikma | but if you focus on the black spot, it gets colored again :D |
| 14:36.58 | mikma | that happens to me |
| 14:37.04 | Seerah | hrmmm |
| 14:37.05 | nicoli_s | mikma thats what i meant, the color from before bleeds into the black and white until you refocus |
| 14:37.37 | Seerah | wow, it did stay |
| 14:38.47 | Mikk | classic: http://mikk.cjb.net/fun/this_is_not_animated.jpg |
| 14:39.07 | Mikk | headache inducer: http://mikk.cjb.net/fun/you_are_now_drunk.jpg |
| 14:39.36 | Seerah | whoa |
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| 14:40.07 | Mikk | Bwhahaha speaking of rednecks: http://mikk.cjb.net/fun/lastwords.html |
| 14:40.37 | Fisker- | none of that shit works! |
| 14:40.41 | mikma | ya |
| 14:40.43 | mikma | your site sucks! |
| 14:40.54 | Fisker- | i physically hate you now |
| 14:41.37 | Fisker- | you're the reason we can't have DNF |
| 14:41.51 | Mikk | beh.. what browser? |
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| 14:42.13 | Mikk | I just tried Opera, FF3, IE7. Worked fine in all |
| 14:42.45 | Mikk | I also blame all kinds of server setup suckage on jnwhiteh |
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| 14:46.07 | Fisker- | i'm bored ckknight |
| 14:46.10 | Fisker- | entertain me |
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| 14:57.03 | Lunessa | Mikk: I think I dated her. |
| 14:57.39 | Fisker- | entertain me |
| 14:58.24 | Fisker- | i'm gonna rage |
| 14:58.58 | Seerah | gives Fisker- a rubik's cube |
| 14:59.01 | Zamoria | morning (ugt & PDT) |
| 14:59.11 | Lopeppeppy | gives Fisker- an Escher cube. |
| 15:00.47 | Fisker- | that doesn't entertain me |
| 15:00.49 | Fisker- | that rages me |
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| 15:01.34 | nicoli_s | then throw it at someone |
| 15:02.34 | Fisker- | that's it |
| 15:04.18 | Lunessa | Fisker- is easy to entertain, give him something to break, someone to insult, booze or pron. |
| 15:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | But the booze is mine. I needs it. |
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| 15:07.25 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: whats my fault? |
| 15:08.57 | Mikk | Fisher- is claiming that something isn't working |
| 15:09.01 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: server seems to be quite snappy for me |
| 15:09.06 | Mikk | But I suspect he's just being himself |
| 15:09.12 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 15:09.34 | Fisker- | Mikk you forgot to mention that mikma claimed it as well |
| 15:09.37 | Fisker- | ad hominem fail |
| 15:10.03 | jnwhiteh | mikma: what was your issue with it? |
| 15:10.43 | Fisker- | didn't load |
| 15:10.46 | Fisker- | like server was down, etc. |
| 15:10.50 | jnwhiteh | could you be more specific |
| 15:11.01 | Fisker- | Not since it started working again |
| 15:11.13 | jnwhiteh | then perhaps you should provide good information in the first place =) |
| 15:11.24 | mikma | jnwhiteh: mikk's site? didn't load :P |
| 15:11.31 | jnwhiteh | "didn't load" |
| 15:11.32 | Mikk | Sod knows what that could have been. I was clicking around in the directory - via the webserver, to find the image |
| 15:11.40 | Mikk | Copied the link, pasted |
| 15:11.40 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 15:11.43 | Mikk | They said it didn't work |
| 15:11.45 | jnwhiteh | its the same box at wowprogramming.com, luabot, etc. |
| 15:11.48 | jnwhiteh | you guys fail =) |
| 15:11.48 | Fisker- | highfives mikma |
| 15:11.49 | mikma | yes, didn't load. popped me timeout error |
| 15:11.49 | Mikk | 5 seconds later i tested in 2 more browsers |
| 15:11.56 | Mikk | both worked |
| 15:11.58 | jnwhiteh | although |
| 15:11.59 | Mikk | So eh |
| 15:12.01 | jnwhiteh | seeing the two of you having issue |
| 15:12.02 | mikma | now it works, tho |
| 15:12.04 | jnwhiteh | warms my heart =) |
| 15:12.12 | Fisker- | except it works now |
| 15:13.03 | Fisker- | anyways jnwhiteh |
| 15:13.11 | Fisker- | maybe your box can only handle the amount of customers you have |
| 15:13.12 | Fisker- | i.e. 2 |
| 15:13.15 | Fisker- | hoho's |
| 15:14.10 | Lopeppeppy | likes ho hos. |
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| 15:14.52 | Seerah | mmmm |
| 15:17.33 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Re: Wowprogramming.com - Any time I use Search from Firefox on the API page, browser performance TANKS. It only happens if I have WoWProgramming.com open and use the browser search feature on the API pages. I think some script is getting out of hand. |
| 15:17.45 | jnwhiteh | no scripts on that page |
| 15:18.10 | jnwhiteh | its just a large page, methinks |
| 15:18.17 | jnwhiteh | but if you can help me troubleshoot I can look at it |
| 15:18.33 | Seerah | do you mean ctrl-F, Lunessa? |
| 15:18.41 | Lunessa | Seerah: Yes. |
| 15:18.43 | AbsolutRayne_ | blaaahhh@_@ |
| 15:18.52 | Seerah | cause I use that in FF all the time on the wowprogramming pages |
| 15:18.57 | Lopeppeppy | ... good mornign to you, ZombieRayne. |
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| 15:19.35 | Fisker- | Instead of using Final Fantasy for browsing use a proper browser like Chrome, Opera or even IE |
| 15:19.37 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 15:19.38 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I'm happy to help with that. I use the page as a reference all day long, and it happens every time I use CMD/Ctrl-F to search it. |
| 15:19.50 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: try it with NOSCRIPT on that page |
| 15:19.52 | jnwhiteh | just to rule tha tout |
| 15:19.58 | jnwhiteh | but there's nothing that should be running |
| 15:20.25 | Fisker- | noscript is the wowmatrix of browser addons |
| 15:20.26 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 15:20.55 | DWSR | ~Fisker-++ |
| 15:20.56 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: not unless its set by default to strip my scripts and run their own to advertise themselves |
| 15:21.21 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker- |
| 15:21.22 | purl | fisker- has karma of -11 |
| 15:21.26 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Forbidding the site in my NoScript Addon improves performance dramatically. |
| 15:21.39 | jnwhiteh | then perhaps jquery is getting loaded, I'll have to look into why |
| 15:21.50 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 15:21.51 | Lunessa | I appreciate it. Thanks. |
| 15:22.20 | Seerah | ah, I do have noscript, though I thought it was disabled for that site... ah well :) |
| 15:23.06 | Fisker- | well jnwhiteh there was the thing about noscript filling their changelog with ads |
| 15:23.07 | Fisker- | :P |
| 15:24.55 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/105031690 |
| 15:25.10 | AbsolutRayne | MAJOR Kings of Leon craving |
| 15:25.40 | AbsolutRayne | To youtube! |
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| 15:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | Here you go, Fisker-. http://www.massively.com/2009/05/08/jolt-online-gaming-announce-playboy-mmo/ |
| 15:29.31 | nicoli_s | was that their countdown announcement? |
| 15:29.44 | foxlit|mac | alestane: "Frames that are mouse-enabled eat clicks, it's what they do. There's no way to make a frame accept left-clicks but pass button-five clicks off to the bindings engine." |
| 15:29.47 | Fisker- | naw |
| 15:30.19 | alestane | foxlit|mac: Yes? I think I did say that a few hours ago. |
| 15:30.44 | foxlit|mac | I do believe that's what :RegisterForClicks is for |
| 15:31.06 | Lopeppeppy | ... I very much did not read that correctly at all, no, no no. |
| 15:31.13 | alestane | AFAIK it won't actually allow unregistered clics to "fall through" the frame. |
| 15:31.26 | alestane | They just won't call the frame's OnClick. |
| 15:32.59 | Kraps | i just had to have a gm tell me that you have to target the maiden of water to use the quest item |
| 15:33.11 | Kraps | IM SUCH A NOOB |
| 15:34.13 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Im quitting WoW for it |
| 15:34.25 | AbsolutRayne | :D |
| 15:34.57 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: I can't reproduce your issues however =/ |
| 15:35.03 | jnwhiteh | and i'm not sure how/why that would even begin to happen |
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| 15:36.05 | Fisker- | giev link to the api page |
| 15:36.15 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api |
| 15:36.46 | Fisker- | works fine here as well |
| 15:38.22 | AbsolutRayne | So you can move the Quest Tracker in game now? |
| 15:38.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, AbsolutRayne. |
| 15:38.38 | AbsolutRayne | Howso? |
| 15:39.05 | Fisker- | uncheck the disable mouseover option in the interface options |
| 15:39.10 | Fisker- | then you can unlock it |
| 15:39.19 | AbsolutRayne | I totally just realized during my Fishing Daily, that mines in the middle ofmy bloody screen |
| 15:39.23 | Fisker- | when you're done check the option again |
| 15:39.33 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Sorry. I just reports 'em as I sees em. |
| 15:39.48 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 15:40.12 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: reported for reporting |
| 15:40.32 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: ZOMG -Reported for abusing Report System! |
| 15:40.43 | zenzelezz | :( |
| 15:40.49 | Fisker- | reported for reporting a reporting reporter |
| 15:41.14 | AbsolutRayne | Fisker-: Danke :) |
| 15:41.21 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, I don't know how to move it. *unhappy* Anyone who knows and tells us gets a cookie. |
| 15:41.26 | Lopeppeppy | gives Fisker- a cookie. |
| 15:41.53 | zenzelezz | uncheck the "lock" option in the Interface options, click and drag title |
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| 15:42.59 | Lunessa | Rayne - In the Interface Menu, on Objectives, uncheck the "Disable Mouseover" - Then mouseover the tracker. You can click on the (now showing) title bar and right-click it for a menu. One of those choices is Unlock. |
| 15:43.02 | alestane | You may have to right-click the objectives title and pick "Unlock" from the menu that pops up. |
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| 15:48.35 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Uploadinginginging |
| 15:49.12 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/05/07/funny-pictures-decided-to-name-him-smudgy/ |
| 15:49.19 | jnwhiteh | I need an addon that can auto accept invites from guild/friends and possibly others.. anyone know of any confirmed working ones? |
| 15:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | adores AbsolutRayne. |
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| 15:51.00 | Fisker- | automaton jnwhiteh |
| 15:51.02 | Fisker- | i believe |
| 15:51.12 | jnwhiteh | anything that does _only_ that? |
| 15:51.48 | Fisker- | automaton with all options disabled |
| 15:51.50 | Fisker- | :DD |
| 15:52.01 | Lopeppeppy | Recently updated... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13070-GroupAccept.html |
| 15:52.01 | Fisker- | you walked right into that one |
| 15:52.34 | jnwhiteh | thanks Lopeppeppy |
| 15:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
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| 15:58.39 | Fisker- | Oh so my help isn't good enough? |
| 16:00.45 | Lopeppeppy | Mine was more helpful-er. |
| 16:01.07 | Fisker- | it's the thought that counts |
| 16:01.14 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, dear, don't despair. |
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| 16:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, I got to a post before kamdis or Lunessa! *gasp* |
| 16:31.26 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13395-RaynesIcedCherry.html |
| 16:32.37 | Fisker- | dbm |
| 16:32.40 | Fisker- | my arch nemesis |
| 16:32.57 | Lopeppeppy | Iced Cherry. Rawr. |
| 16:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | Your first fave and your first download!! |
| 16:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! Cans not have! |
| 16:33.22 | Lopeppeppy | Admins are hogging it! |
| 16:33.40 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: Youre making Peppy sad! |
| 16:34.09 | AbsolutRayne | Wife got her new Video Card and Power Supply today |
| 16:34.13 | AbsolutRayne | Im so jealous. |
| 16:34.21 | Lopeppeppy | Do want |
| 16:34.32 | Fisker- | wife or video card? |
| 16:34.49 | Lopeppeppy | Video card, I don't groove on girls for keepers. |
| 16:34.54 | Lunessa | It's friday, and I;m working early... and as usual, all the goofy shit got saved up for today. |
| 16:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 16:36.01 | Lopeppeppy | Moon's also full, just to be fun about it. |
| 16:37.00 | AbsolutRayne | She picked up a 9800 |
| 16:37.02 | AbsolutRayne | :| |
| 16:37.14 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I'll get if I ever get around to replacing the one in my desktop |
| 16:37.40 | AbsolutRayne | But shes stuck updating the drivers atm :P |
| 16:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | Ooopst. |
| 16:38.33 | Lopeppeppy | So what's the difference between an XLR8 video card and one that's not? |
| 16:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | GTX+ versus GTX OC? |
| 16:39.08 | amro | one sounds like a mercedes |
| 16:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | Video cards are seriously hard to compare when you don't know the abbreviations. |
| 16:43.22 | Lunessa | This is why online reviews of video cards are a Good Thing ^tm |
| 16:43.38 | Lopeppeppy | Friends also am good. *nodnod* |
| 16:43.51 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: we are united |
| 16:44.15 | Fisker- | why so Gnarfoz ? |
| 16:44.39 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: we have the same enemies >:3 |
| 16:44.49 | AbsolutRayne | grawr |
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| 16:47.05 | AbsolutRayne | Is it a bad thing that i want to take my wifes old power supply and hit it with a bat a few times? |
| 16:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | No. If it's not needed anymore, turn it into fragments. |
| 16:48.13 | Gnarfoz | seems perfectly normal to me, too |
| 16:50.36 | Osstia | I like to use a ballpeen |
| 16:50.41 | Osstia | the noise is much better |
| 16:50.50 | Lopeppeppy | Always wear safety goggles though. |
| 16:51.13 | Fisker- | nice Gnarfoz |
| 16:53.32 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZzZzzz |
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| 16:54.40 | AbsolutRayne | I love the smell of new computer parts in the morning |
| 16:54.47 | Lopeppeppy | And packing peanuts. |
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| 16:59.25 | Gnarfoz | has anyone used PDFcreator to create signed PDFs in here? what kind of certificate would I need for that? |
| 17:01.32 | Lunessa | Power Supply dust - don't breathe this. |
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| 17:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | Way to not save your work, Peppy. *facepalm* |
| 17:04.09 | alestane | Um. Peppy hosed? |
| 17:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | No, just wiped 10 minutes of work, nothing huge. |
| 17:04.25 | Shirik | I hate macs so much |
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| 17:04.33 | Shirik | why the hell won't they just let Sun make their JVM and be done with it |
| 17:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | Stubborn |
| 17:05.30 | Shirik | yeah well being stubborn is breaking everything to hell |
| 17:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 17:06.46 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: I find that to apply to most dust inside my PC |
| 17:08.34 | foxlit|mac | "Shirik: yeah well being stubborn is breaking everything to hell" << meh |
| 17:08.38 | foxlit|mac | Develop on a mac, problem solved. |
| 17:09.36 | Lunessa | Shirik: It's ok. I hate microsoft so much. How many years did I have to suffer MS writing their own shitty JM? |
| 17:10.29 | Shirik | does apple even have a place to report bugs? |
| 17:10.37 | Shirik | foxlit|mac: It's not even something I could fix from a mac |
| 17:10.53 | Shirik | Mac has a significant bug that, as of right now, I only seem to be able to fix by introducing a security vulnerability |
| 17:11.11 | foxlit|mac | ~google apple bug |
| 17:12.09 | Shirik | lolol |
| 17:12.21 | Shirik | "Apple BugReport requires Safari 1.0 or later" |
| 17:12.30 | Shirik | That popped up for a second |
| 17:13.42 | foxlit|mac | Some sort of javascript-corrected fallthrough, probably. |
| 17:13.58 | Shirik | are you really on a mac right now? |
| 17:14.10 | foxlit|mac | I'm usually on a mac. |
| 17:14.23 | Jamash | AbsolutRayne: I like how you used your addon's screenshots section to show off your chopper. |
| 17:14.30 | Shirik | if so I want to give you some code to test |
| 17:14.39 | AbsolutRayne | Jamash: Its the only thing I use anymore, anyway. |
| 17:14.40 | foxlit|mac | The |mac is thus redundant, it's just an alternate nickname if I somehow manage to reconnect before network registers me as offline. |
| 17:14.50 | foxlit|mac | (so yes) |
| 17:14.59 | AbsolutRayne | Since im finding myself taxi servicing alts around for the guild |
| 17:15.01 | AbsolutRayne | lol |
| 17:15.22 | Zamoria | i wish it didn't take crap like this to get local news onto slashdot... http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090507/ARTICLES/905079854/1350 |
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| 17:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Quickly |
| 17:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904074999&sid=1 |
| 17:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Before it is moved to UI/M |
| 17:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Needs bunnies and cake |
| 17:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | yaaaaaay! |
| 17:18.00 | Zamoria | pied! |
| 17:18.11 | AckisWork | rofl |
| 17:18.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ah, it got moved |
| 17:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That was fast |
| 17:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple |
| 17:18.33 | Zamoria | ScytheBlade1: no? |
| 17:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | I really hate that they get moved to our forum and destroy it. |
| 17:18.41 | Zamoria | i'm still seeing it in general... |
| 17:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ... to general |
| 17:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 17:18.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 17:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It was in CS |
| 17:18.52 | Zamoria | oh heh |
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| 17:24.40 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Dragonmaw&cn=Warla&gn=Elekks+Gone+Wild lol |
| 17:25.17 | Jamash | the thought of getting exalted with a WSG faction just makes me cringe |
| 17:25.51 | Xinhuan | Ackis, i've been linked his profile so many times it isn't funny |
| 17:25.58 | Xinhuan | someone should link him mine every month |
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| 17:26.26 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: he just created a forum thread I saw |
| 17:26.27 | End | but Xinhuan has more achievement points (I think) |
| 17:26.33 | End | so neener |
| 17:26.34 | AckisWork | I know he's the "ultimate" to go for rep wise |
| 17:27.01 | Xinhuan | well, he created one forum thread about 1.5 years ago too |
| 17:27.08 | Xinhuan | stating how he has a girlfriend, a real job and stuff |
| 17:27.13 | Hirsute | Hrmm, is there a "next" operator for loops in Lua? (for ... do if foo == bar next else ... end end)? |
| 17:27.14 | Zamoria | ScytheBlade1: phwew. thread saved :) |
| 17:27.15 | Xinhuan | reached well over 50 pages or something |
| 17:27.35 | foxlit|mac | "Against the Odds" << physically impossible. |
| 17:27.41 | alestane | Hirsute: You mean the equivalent of C's "continue"? |
| 17:27.49 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.00 | Hirsute | alestane: A way to skip the rest of the code in a loop if certain conditions are met. |
| 17:28.16 | NeoTron | AckisWork: specifically - there actually IS a starting experience. :P |
| 17:28.20 | Hirsute | Not familiar with C, but similar to next in perl |
| 17:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Zamoria: looks like |
| 17:28.37 | alestane | No, change it to if foo ~= bar then [[everything else]] end |
| 17:28.39 | Aelobin | so orange gems can be used to count towards metas ye? :P |
| 17:28.49 | AckisWork | NeoTron: lol i'm not going back to it ever :P |
| 17:28.52 | zenzelezz | Hirsute: in C/C++, "continue" inside a loop will skip the rest of the loop body and move on to the next iteration |
| 17:29.25 | Jamash | Lua doesn't have nice things like next. |
| 17:29.28 | Zamoria | Hirsute: just wrap the entire loop body in an if |
| 17:29.29 | Hirsute | alestane: Aye, I'm just trying to reduce the character count in some code to help someone with a macro, I could cut ~ 20 characters if there were something similar in Lua to next/continue |
| 17:29.34 | Shirik | Jamash: Lua certainly has next :) |
| 17:29.51 | Zamoria | ~poke Shirik |
| 17:29.52 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 17:29.52 | alestane | Hirsute: No can do. |
| 17:29.57 | Hirsute | poop |
| 17:29.59 | Hirsute | Oh well. |
| 17:30.07 | NeoTron | AckisWork: I doubt I'll be going back per se, but it's sort of fun to test |
| 17:30.20 | Jamash | Shirik: Different kind of next. |
| 17:30.21 | AckisWork | ahh |
| 17:30.25 | Shirik | Java has fun stuff, break to label |
| 17:30.32 | Shirik | no "continue to label" though I think :( |
| 17:30.53 | Xinhuan | Hirsute, you will need a "unintuitive code construct" |
| 17:31.08 | Seerah | are we talking about something other than what "break" would accomplish? |
| 17:31.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:31.19 | Shirik | he wants a "continue" |
| 17:31.25 | Hirsute | Xinhuan: Should I go google that to see what you mean? |
| 17:31.30 | Shirik | for example |
| 17:31.34 | alestane | Seerah: break ends the loop. He wants to proceed straight to the next iteration. |
| 17:31.39 | Hirsute | Because it just flew over my head. |
| 17:31.44 | Seerah | ohhh |
| 17:31.44 | NeoTron | AckisWork: it's weird how they have levels, classes ("professions) and talents now. feels so much more WoW like. |
| 17:31.51 | Xinhuan | "for blah blah do [..............] end", inside that block, you write "repeat [stuff] until true" |
| 17:31.51 | Shirik | for (int i = 1; i < 10; ++i) { if (i == 3) { continue; } printf("%d", i); } |
| 17:31.59 | Shirik | would print every number from 1 to 9, except 3 |
| 17:31.59 | AckisWork | NeoTron: aye I couldn't deal with the levels, I loved the skill system before =/ |
| 17:32.01 | Xinhuan | where inside "stuff", you can perform a "break" |
| 17:32.03 | Shirik | that's what he wants |
| 17:32.09 | Xinhuan | to exit the inner repeat-until true loop |
| 17:32.18 | Xinhuan | which unintuitively is a "next" |
| 17:32.38 | alestane | That probably won't reduce character count much, though. |
| 17:32.44 | Hirsute | Xinhuan: Aye, but that would take up even *more* space than what I'm already doing. |
| 17:32.47 | NeoTron | AckisWork: indeed but I see why they did it in retrospect |
| 17:33.00 | Hirsute | Oh well, I'll just tell the user it can't be cone in a macro. |
| 17:33.00 | Jamash | Xinhuan: Bizarre, yet effective. |
| 17:33.02 | Xinhuan | well its a code trick |
| 17:33.06 | Seerah | what is this macro for, Hirsute |
| 17:33.08 | NeoTron | the skill / profession system was just way too complicated and impossible to balance or even making all skills work |
| 17:33.09 | Xinhuan | that can be used in many places in Lua |
| 17:33.10 | Hirsute | Aye, and neat one, at that. |
| 17:33.18 | NeoTron | I agree it was a major strength however |
| 17:34.05 | Hirsute | Seerah: A user wants a way to quickly print the names of all items in his bags that aren't set to batch post in Auctioneer |
| 17:34.14 | NeoTron | It's especially funny how crafting now is a class. they should have done it like WoW where anyone could pick up a crafting or entertainment profession on the side but whatever |
| 17:34.26 | Hirsute | I got a macro that will do the looping under the character limit, but left out a necessary nil check. |
| 17:35.40 | Hirsute | Putting in the nil check puts me over the character limit if I do it with an if statement, so I thought about doing local l = GetContainerItemInfo(bag,slot) or next |
| 17:35.46 | Hirsute | But I couldn't do that :( |
| 17:36.29 | Seerah | have you tried taking out unnecessary spaces? Or does that still leave you over? |
| 17:36.35 | Jamash | clearly, blizzard should have used perl as their scripting language |
| 17:36.57 | alestane | Python, maybe. perl OH DEAR GODS AND DEMONS NO. |
| 17:37.04 | Hirsute | Seerah: Aye, that's even longer than it actually is in the code I'm using, I just expanded things for clarity. |
| 17:37.23 | foxlit|mac | Meh, perl, python. |
| 17:37.36 | foxlit|mac | They should've just let you execute assembly code on an undocumented virtual machine inside wow |
| 17:37.58 | Hirsute | Oh, in general, I love that they picked Lua, I only occasionally find things I can't do, and those things would be easier to deal with if some of their function names weren't so blasted long. |
| 17:38.02 | Xinhuan | don't use locals |
| 17:38.05 | Xinhuan | no reason to |
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| 17:38.24 | Jamash | global pollution! |
| 17:38.24 | Dagmar | I'd have taken perl in a heartbeat |
| 17:38.32 | Hirsute | hrmmm. I wonder if cutting out the local would get me under the limit. |
| 17:38.33 | Xinhuan | does it matter? |
| 17:38.34 | Dagmar | ...but there'd be no way to turn off certain things like, open() |
| 17:38.49 | Xinhuan | 99.99% i'm sure it doesn't matter |
| 17:38.56 | Jamash | global pollution!!!3 |
| 17:39.01 | Seerah | if you have an issue, just reload ui and it's gone |
| 17:39.10 | Seerah | with addons, it's there all the time |
| 17:39.14 | Seerah | macros, only if you run it |
| 17:40.39 | Hirsute | It doesn't, unfortunately, get me under the limit |
| 17:40.52 | Hirsute | I only used local in two places. |
| 17:41.15 | Jamash | I hear Macaroon! has a 1023 character limit on macros. |
| 17:41.40 | Hirsute | Oh well, like I said, I'll just tell the user that it isn't directly possible with the Blizz macro system. |
| 17:42.06 | NeoTron | AckisWork: best new feature in SWG btw - /browser ;-) |
| 17:42.21 | Hirsute | Is there a 255 character limit on what can be typed in the chat box? |
| 17:42.38 | Seerah | Hirsute: I believe so, yes |
| 17:42.44 | Hirsute | Shoots that idea, too. |
| 17:42.52 | Hirsute | Oh well, time for me to get back to my path homework. |
| 17:42.55 | Seerah | what you can do, is get a mod like tinypad, wowlua, etc, etc, to run a script |
| 17:43.08 | Seerah | or get an addon that creates macros with a 1024 limit |
| 17:43.33 | Hirsute | Seerah: Aye, that'll be my next suggestion for the guy. I'll post the long macro and tell him he'll need other addons to make it work. |
| 17:43.53 | Jamash | What's the macro for, out of idle curiosity? |
| 17:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Seerah: 1023 ;) |
| 17:44.31 | Seerah | I was close :p |
| 17:45.47 | Hirsute | Jamash: User is using Auctioneer, and wants a way to quickly print to his chat frame what items in his bags are not set for batch posting. |
| 17:45.47 | Jamash | interesting |
| 17:45.47 | Hirsute | Doing so involves using some of Blizz's wonderfully long-named functions, like GetContainerNumSlots() and GetContainerItemInfo() |
| 17:45.47 | alestane | Those aren't even in the running. |
| 17:46.04 | Hirsute | alestane: Oh yeah? Dandy, there's even longer ones? |
| 17:46.10 | alestane | Oh, yes. |
| 17:46.26 | alestane | Take a look at, say UIOptionsPanels.lua. |
| 17:46.28 | Jamash | I just put in ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 17:46.53 | Hirsute | Aye, that's another nice long name. |
| 17:46.58 | Jamash | s/put in/started using/ |
| 17:47.29 | Hirsute | (and I should remember that one, as it's the primary function used by the only addon I'v authored on my own) |
| 17:48.43 | Jamash | and there's longer ones |
| 17:52.40 | Dagmar | It beats sprinkling::double::colons::in::there() |
| 17:52.57 | Jamash | oh lawdy |
| 17:53.11 | Jamash | I'm somewhat guilty of that sort of thing. |
| 17:53.30 | Dagmar | Have you looked at what happens when people start trying to use really short function names? |
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| 17:53.43 | Dagmar | Check the documentation for making binary modules for perl. |
| 17:53.48 | Jamash | ew |
| 17:54.18 | Dagmar | They're loaded with things like StoFCw and so on, and there's a bunch of them |
| 17:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:54.36 | Dagmar | Take the long names, be happy they're readable |
| 17:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | local m = {["_"] = {}} |
| 17:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That line just looks funny |
| 17:54.53 | Jamash | lolwut |
| 17:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 17:55.22 | Jamash | I saw some code for a smiley face operator in C++ once |
| 17:56.36 | Jamash | it was pretty heinous |
| 17:57.05 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Readable, but not useable, in this circumstance, because of their length. I agree, there's definitely a lower-limit to length beyond which things get horrible as well. |
| 17:58.08 | Jamash | just name all functions "f()" |
| 17:58.42 | Jamash | and use a parameter to decide which variant to call |
| 17:59.32 | Dagmar | I'll still take long variable names which are clear in meaning over short ones |
| 18:00.46 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Sure, as long as you can actually use them. *shrug* In _this_ case, unfortunately, the length makes me unable to do what I was trying to do. Like I said, I totally understand your point, and really agree with it, these long,clear names, however, are a big part of my current problem. |
| 18:01.14 | Dagmar | Trying to get stuff all on one line or something? |
| 18:01.23 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Trying to do stuff in a macro |
| 18:01.27 | Dagmar | Ahh... |
| 18:02.41 | Hirsute | I suppose I could break it up into two macros, and store the result of one in a global variable (that won't be used by anything else) for use by the other one, which would nil the global when done... |
| 18:03.10 | Jamash | or you could write an addon with one function in it |
| 18:03.20 | Dagmar | I guess there's a reason you can't just use a single function? |
| 18:03.55 | Hirsute | I'm not that interested in this, I could just recommend the user do that, but this one gets snarky when I suggest he do anything for himself, so I'm more inclined just to tell him I can't help him. |
| 18:04.13 | Dagmar | Just tell him "cutting solves all your pains" |
| 18:04.22 | Hirsute | =X |
| 18:04.49 | Dagmar | After about 15 years of it, I stopped caring if they listened or not |
| 18:05.18 | Dagmar | "Take the answer, don't take the answer, scribble it on a piece of paper and stuff it up your nose, I won't care either way." |
| 18:05.43 | Hirsute | Yeah, I don't honestly know why I've kept at it this long, as I don't particularly care for this user, maybe I just like pain and frustration. |
| 18:05.46 | Hirsute | secretly |
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| 18:06.35 | Dagmar | I once put together a set of change management policies which were promptly converted to a framework by which managers could order changes to be made.. |
| 18:06.36 | Nechckn_AFK | That one is on my magical ignore list right now... I'd opt for "There is no way to do this, given the current limitations on the macros" and leave 'em twisting. |
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| 18:06.52 | Dagmar | That blew my last fuse for nonsense like that |
| 18:07.30 | AckisWork | Shirik: do you know how you can order flowers via blackberry? |
| 18:07.45 | Dagmar | AckisWork: Perhaps browse to 1800flowers.com? |
| 18:08.05 | AckisWork | i want blackberry integrated stuff!!! :P |
| 18:08.46 | Hirsute | Nechckn_AFK: *nod* |
| 18:09.13 | Shirik | AckisWork: May I ask why you need to order flowers fro blackberry in the first place? |
| 18:09.20 | Shirik | last minute forgetting? |
| 18:09.30 | NeoTron | AckisWork: http://amazon.com/bb ;-) |
| 18:11.59 | AckisWork | Shirik: apparenlty it's mothersday this weekend |
| 18:12.23 | NeoTron | so it is |
| 18:12.24 | Hirsute | Mother's day, and my wife's birthday, on the same day |
| 18:12.42 | NeoTron | my kids are old enough to do their own things for mothersday now so that's all good |
| 18:13.15 | Nechckn_AFK | Hirsute The double whammy of all! |
| 18:14.21 | Nechckn_AFK | At least there is one less time for you to get yelled at for "forgetting" =) Although, that would be of such double-desctructive force that it may be worth tattooing on your arm. =) |
| 18:15.01 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 18:15.09 | Fisker- | you ruined my life :( |
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| 18:19.59 | Industrial | anoyne know how I can make a gif image out of an SWF object? |
| 18:20.20 | Industrial | more specifically, http://z0r.de/?id=179 |
| 18:20.28 | Industrial | =) want it to be my new avatar |
| 18:20.41 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:21.13 | Trela_ | My CEO just walked into the office wearing a big rapper chain with a giant gold dollar on it. |
| 18:21.17 | Trela_ | Baffling. |
| 18:21.23 | Industrial | or http://z0r.de/?id=419 |
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| 18:21.25 | Industrial | Trela_: rofl |
| 18:21.33 | Kirov | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=swf+to+gif+converter |
| 18:21.54 | Industrial | http://z0r.de/?id=735 |
| 18:21.54 | Industrial | or that |
| 18:21.56 | Industrial | so many choices |
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| 18:24.17 | Jamash | the best animated avatar I've ever seen is Fizzgig from the Dark Crystal throwing a tantrum |
| 18:24.38 | Jamash | http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/76892269/15807712 |
| 18:24.44 | zenzelezz | so I feel like trying to (properly) learn either vi or emacs, but can't decide which seems more "fun". Leaning towards vi, but it would irk some of my friends more if I went emacs, so... tough call |
| 18:24.57 | durcyn | 'l-userpic', such an amazing url |
| 18:25.01 | Hirsute | <--Loves vi (or rather, vim) |
| 18:25.14 | Dagmar | Yes, it's always best to set yourself on fire just because it will irritate your friends. |
| 18:25.27 | Hirsute | ... |
| 18:25.39 | Jamash | ninjas can't catch you if you're on fire |
| 18:25.40 | Dagmar | Friends don't let friends use Emacs. |
| 18:25.56 | durcyn | i wouldn't wish emacs on my worst enemy |
| 18:25.59 | zenzelezz | considering my friends don't have a clue how to use either, they'll find me weird anyway |
| 18:26.02 | Shirik | zenzelezz: vim! |
| 18:26.04 | Shirik | vim vim |
| 18:26.07 | Industrial | zenzelezz: learn vim, not vi |
| 18:26.09 | Jamash | vim is sort of ok |
| 18:26.16 | Jamash | but I don't like modeful editing |
| 18:26.21 | Industrial | i loves it |
| 18:26.26 | Shirik | I like the modes |
| 18:26.32 | Hirsute | I hate when I go into another editor, and my vim habits kick in. |
| 18:26.38 | Industrial | :wq, damn. |
| 18:26.41 | zenzelezz | Industrial: well, the "default" vi in Slackware is elvis ;) But yeah, probably going with vim |
| 18:26.50 | Industrial | slackware o_O |
| 18:26.57 | Taroven | ~seen Tifi |
| 18:26.59 | purl | tifi <n=Tifi@dslb-088-073-065-134.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 47d 2h 41m 16s ago, saying: 'ptr toc version is 30100?'. |
| 18:26.59 | Shirik | Hirsute: I can't tell you how many times I've typed G into notepad |
| 18:26.59 | Hirsute | Thus, I can't let myself look at code on another machine late at night. |
| 18:27.03 | Industrial | isn't that like, ancient? they still keeping it up to date? |
| 18:27.05 | Taroven | Drat. |
| 18:27.08 | Hirsute | Shirik: *nod* |
| 18:27.10 | Shirik | and then gotten incredibly pissed because I have to go to my mouse |
| 18:27.11 | Dagmar | Since Patrick has declared BitchX to be EOL then elvis can't be far behind it |
| 18:27.14 | Industrial | zenzelezz: does it have automatic dependancy downloading now? |
| 18:27.16 | Hirsute | Slackware was my introduction to linux |
| 18:27.16 | zenzelezz | Industrial: yeah, they released 12.2 a few months back |
| 18:27.28 | zenzelezz | Industrial: nope, no depenancy stuff |
| 18:27.29 | Industrial | Hirsute: mine too, I moved to archlinux because of pacman |
| 18:27.31 | Shirik | I rely on elvis though :( |
| 18:27.34 | Jamash | !apt-get remove vim |
| 18:27.39 | Shirik | elvis is the default editor on QNX |
| 18:27.47 | Shirik | and I've had trouble compiling vim |
| 18:27.54 | Hirsute | Shirik: I also like, to go straight to the line number that swatter errors report: 137 Shift-G |
| 18:27.58 | Shirik | yah |
| 18:28.06 | Shirik | Lua is now bound to gVim actually |
| 18:28.23 | zenzelezz | I just stay with Slackware because it's the one I've used since I started hobby-testing linux in... 2000? |
| 18:28.38 | Hirsute | I also love the regex search and replace. |
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| 18:28.50 | foxlit|mac | grrr! |
| 18:28.59 | foxlit|mac | (Almost) wiped on Heigan |
| 18:29.01 | Hirsute | ... owl? |
| 18:29.02 | Industrial | zenzelezz: but its so easy to install a VM and run a few distros and compare them |
| 18:29.13 | zenzelezz | the main reason I'm considering emacs is because I like the "emacs" shortcuts in other programs (^A, ^E, and the stuff in pico/nano, etc) |
| 18:29.37 | zenzelezz | Industrial: I know, but I *like* Slackware =) If I didn't, I'd have tried something else |
| 18:29.59 | Hirsute | ... I lied. My *first* introduction to linux was FreeSCO |
| 18:30.13 | Industrial | i hated having to search and install deps all the time |
| 18:30.22 | zenzelezz | I find that part of the fun |
| 18:30.30 | Hirsute | swaret ftw |
| 18:30.32 | zenzelezz | but I don't expect many people to, it's just the way I'm wired |
| 18:30.36 | durcyn | i'm not sure i'd invoke pico or nano as an example of anything remotely good, zen |
| 18:30.59 | Dagmar | C'mon, nothing's better for inserting random NULs into your source code |
| 18:31.08 | Dagmar | It keeps things interesting |
| 18:31.13 | zenzelezz | durcyn: when you're stuck in a terminal and you don't know vi or emacs, pico/nano is the first (well, only) other editors that come to mind |
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| 18:32.02 | Hirsute | "echo >" ftw |
| 18:32.04 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 18:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:32.15 | zenzelezz | I would at least go with >> |
| 18:32.18 | Jamash | perl -wpe |
| 18:32.26 | durcyn | i can't agree. editors that somehow manage to suck more than EDIT.COM? no thanks. |
| 18:32.35 | zenzelezz | but you'd have to know sed too or something unless you know how to type out your entire xorg.conf or httpd.conf, etc |
| 18:33.00 | Hirsute | ... doesn't everyone? |
| 18:33.04 | Hirsute | <.< |
| 18:33.16 | zenzelezz | durcyn: I respect your opinion, but I disagree. They're not trying to be amazingly advanced editors, and they work for a lot of simple editing needs |
| 18:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I've had to re-write my MBR manually over the CLI before |
| 18:33.20 | Industrial | I want vim inside an ide (like netbeans) solely as the editor component. Lots of nice tools like refactoring in IDE's |
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| 18:33.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It was painful |
| 18:33.32 | Industrial | context sensitive code completion etcetc |
| 18:33.38 | Jamash | ScytheBlade1: O_o |
| 18:33.41 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Wow. That's amazingly awful. |
| 18:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong partition order broke things |
| 18:33.50 | Industrial | those are things that vim plugins just cant do right |
| 18:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | fdisk put them back in the right order |
| 18:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ... which broke them more |
| 18:34.08 | Jamash | ah yeah, I've had weird partition order issues |
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| 18:34.18 | Jamash | 1 5 6 8 9 7 |
| 18:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I used dd, echo, cat, and xxd |
| 18:34.28 | Jamash | linux then esploded |
| 18:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | well and less |
| 18:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | But it was painful |
| 18:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll add that it is much harder now to find docs on the MBR layout than it was a decade ago :P |
| 18:35.56 | Shirik | ~x en fr I accuse you |
| 18:36.26 | widgertick | ~x en fr I accuse |
| 18:36.32 | widgertick | FUCK |
| 18:36.34 | widgertick | YES |
| 18:36.38 | widgertick | SHIRIK |
| 18:36.39 | widgertick | EAT IT |
| 18:36.44 | Shirik | I ACCUSE YOU, NOT I ACCUSE |
| 18:36.52 | widgertick | THE SUBJECT WAS IMPLIED |
| 18:36.55 | widgertick | IT'S FRENCH |
| 18:37.03 | Shirik | THAT ONLY WORKS IN JAPANESE |
| 18:37.07 | widgertick | NO YOU'RE WRONG |
| 18:37.10 | Shirik | NOU |
| 18:37.15 | Dagmar | DOES IT WORK IN LOWERCASE? |
| 18:37.18 | Shirik | NO |
| 18:37.19 | Jamash | ~x en fr CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL |
| 18:37.20 | widgertick | NEVER |
| 18:37.48 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 | la fonction majuscule est commande de croisiĂƒÂ¨re pour frais |
| 18:38.59 | netcurse | c'est note |
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| 18:41.06 | durcyn | vas te faire foutre |
| 18:41.34 | Pharaunmizz | Mikk: Timing in MSBT? /drool |
| 18:41.46 | durcyn | that's not mikord. |
| 18:42.20 | Thunder_Child | ok, twin rotor military helos flying 50ft. above my house is LOUD |
| 18:42.46 | Pharaunmizz | a bugger |
| 18:42.48 | Pharaunmizz | ah * |
| 18:42.55 | TecnoBrat | ~x en fr la fonction majuscule est commande de croisiĂƒÂ¨re pour frais |
| 18:42.59 | TecnoBrat | err |
| 18:43.03 | TecnoBrat | ~x fr en la fonction majuscule est commande de croisiĂƒÂ¨re pour frais |
| 18:43.17 | TecnoBrat | hehe |
| 18:43.20 | AckisWork | Thunder_Child: get the gun out and take a few shots, they'll move soon |
| 18:43.28 | Pharaunmizz | move down |
| 18:43.33 | Pharaunmizz | and do bad things to you |
| 18:43.53 | Thunder_Child | AckisWork, yes, move to drop someone on me, it was s troop tansport |
| 18:44.56 | AckisWork | Thunder_Child: bet you could've got them before they got you |
| 18:45.19 | AckisWork | and if not, it would've been one helluva game |
| 18:46.10 | AbsolutRayne | I see H AN is still a bitch. |
| 18:46.27 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 18:46.35 | Dagmar | Only the spidery parts. ;) |
| 18:47.06 | Etanol | HI! :D |
| 18:47.21 | Etanol | friday friday friday friday friday |
| 18:47.22 | Thunder_Child | AckisWork, fucker came circling around again |
| 18:47.25 | Etanol | it's friday |
| 18:47.38 | AckisWork | Thunder_Child: told you, get the gun! |
| 18:48.06 | AckisWork | I've seen helicoptors flying in formation once here in Edmonton, and when I was in arizona it was like every 5 minutes by the base lol |
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| 18:51.29 | Jamash | thank Freya it's friday! |
| 18:52.48 | Dagmar | That depends on whteher or not they're supposed to be flying that low |
| 18:54.01 | Hirsute | Another can Lua do this question: Is it possible to have string.match or string.find match one of a group of possible phrases? ie- string.match(string,"Icethorn|Deadnettle|Lich Bloom")? |
| 18:54.42 | Dagmar | Hmm... LIteracy |
| 18:55.19 | Dagmar | Literacy: (n.) Capacity to litter online sites with "documentation" which no one reads |
| 18:56.01 | Hirsute | Dagmar: I've been looking at the Pil, if that's what you're suggesting. Haven't found mention of it yet, and thought it *might* be a little faster to see if anyone here knew off-hand how to do that. |
| 18:57.23 | Dagmar | I'mf airly sure it's not that robust, but I'm checking |
| 18:58.09 | Hirsute | Dagmar: No problem, I don't mind continuing to read, like I said, I just figured I'd tap other people's experience while I'm at it. |
| 18:59.07 | Dagmar | yeah, it doesnt' seem to let you do sets like that |
| 18:59.25 | Dagmar | afaict it's only single-char sets you can searchfor |
| 19:00.11 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 19:07.33 | Kirov | local stuffs = stringVar:match("stuffsA") |
| 19:07.33 | Kirov | if not stuffs then |
| 19:07.33 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.35 | Kirov | etc |
| 19:07.42 | Lunessa | desires a cheeseburger, fries, and a beer. |
| 19:08.31 | Industrial | had that |
| 19:08.37 | Kirov | That or rediculously complex regexp. |
| 19:08.38 | Kirov | "[IDL][cei][eac][tdh]" |
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| 19:10.00 | Kirov | Though you'll get weird non matches like Leed |
| 19:10.16 | Hirsute | Kirov: That is awesome, right there. |
| 19:10.24 | Jamash | that way lies madness |
| 19:10.51 | Hirsute | I wonder if it would work in this function.... I'll have to test it when I get home. |
| 19:11.12 | Kirov | Personally, when it comes to doing matches, if it's a consistent part of a message I'm looking for, I'll do a match to the section of the message I want then compare to a hash table. |
| 19:11.13 | Kirov | much faster |
| 19:11.51 | Hirsute | Kirov: *nod* that makes sense. |
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| 19:13.55 | Jamash | yeah I do that as well |
| 19:14.57 | Jamash | I also use goofy expressions like "^([^%(%[,;]+)" |
| 19:15.02 | Hirsute | This is another one of those trying to hack into an existing system something that wasn't originally cosidered. |
| 19:15.40 | Hirsute | things |
| 19:16.44 | Spellbinder | so guys i need to tuck away my shoulders when fishing, i got so much i need to use PickupInventoryItem but how do i know the slot numbers? |
| 19:17.16 | Lopeppeppy | Check the macro guide on wow wiki, all bag slots and equipment slots are numbered there. |
| 19:17.44 | Spellbinder | bag slots i found |
| 19:17.50 | Spellbinder | not item slots |
| 19:18.13 | Spellbinder | http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_equipping |
| 19:18.28 | Jamash | http://www.wowwiki.com/InventorySlotId |
| 19:19.06 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro |
| 19:19.12 | Spellbinder | jeesh, thx a bunch :) |
| 19:19.19 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Equipping_items |
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| 19:21.12 | Spellbinder | sweet thx Lopeppeppy, i got the macro part down ;) |
| 19:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man, utah |
| 19:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6412895 |
| 19:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I live in an awesome state |
| 19:23.23 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.47 | Hirsute | And it's Provo, to boot. |
| 19:23.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 19:23.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Makes it that much more awesome |
| 19:24.03 | Lopeppeppy | *tragic sigh* Sheeple, they are everwhere. |
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| 19:25.34 | Dagmar | This is the sad part |
| 19:25.36 | Dagmar | "Adults looked inside and did not see any candy, but they did see a mattress and some clothes in the back of the van. Police were called to investigate. " |
| 19:25.43 | Dagmar | They actually looked for candy. |
| 19:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 19:25.49 | Jamash | well hey |
| 19:25.50 | Spellbinder | works much better now, thx Jamash and Lopeppeppy ;) |
| 19:26.04 | Jamash | there might have been some |
| 19:26.06 | Shirik | Hey if there was free candy |
| 19:26.08 | Shirik | I'd take it |
| 19:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ... did you look at the link, Shirik? |
| 19:26.25 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you are a grup, you can do what you like. |
| 19:28.03 | Shirik | a grup? |
| 19:28.19 | Lopeppeppy | Star Trek, classic! A grownup. Grup |
| 19:28.43 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy called me old :( |
| 19:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | You'd rather I thought you a child? |
| 19:28.59 | alestane | Miri's world, or whatever the episode was. |
| 19:29.01 | Lopeppeppy | arches an eyebrow. This could be a fun conversation |
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| 19:29.59 | Jamash | they never did bother to explain why the planet had the same continents as Earth |
| 19:30.29 | Lopeppeppy | Magic! |
| 19:30.47 | foxlit|mac | what planet? |
| 19:32.47 | Spellbinder | can you only have 1 of these lines in each macro? /run PickupInventoryItem(17) PutItemInBag(22) |
| 19:33.48 | Etanol | no |
| 19:33.52 | Etanol | semicolon ftw |
| 19:33.57 | Spellbinder | oh |
| 19:33.59 | Spellbinder | k thx |
| 19:34.38 | Spellbinder | /run PickupInventoryItem(17) PutItemInBag(22) ; /run PickupInventoryItem(3) PutItemInBag(24) <--- something like that? |
| 19:34.46 | Jamash | nyet |
| 19:34.55 | Spellbinder | nah i did type wrong lol |
| 19:34.57 | Etanol | um |
| 19:35.04 | Etanol | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:35.09 | Spellbinder | /run PickupInventoryItem(17) PutItemInBag(22) ; PickupInventoryItem(3) PutItemInBag(24) <--- i meant |
| 19:35.20 | Etanol | or you could just |
| 19:35.22 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.27 | Spellbinder | getting fishing grear on in one click and back |
| 19:35.37 | Spellbinder | ok i c thx :) |
| 19:36.03 | Etanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.13 | Etanol | for some nice spam |
| 19:36.23 | Etanol | replace 20 with amount |
| 19:36.25 | Jamash | bad Etanol |
| 19:36.27 | Spellbinder | :O |
| 19:36.30 | Spellbinder | lol |
| 19:38.41 | AbsolutRayne | Yawn |
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| 19:39.10 | Etanol | Jamash: wutlol? :/ |
| 19:39.11 | Etanol | rage? |
| 19:39.46 | Jamash | just silly |
| 19:40.44 | Jamash | Spellbinder: you can also use /equipslot |
| 19:41.00 | Spellbinder | k |
| 19:44.56 | Spellbinder | /run PickupInventoryItem(17); PutItemInBag(22); PickupInventoryItem(15); PutItemInBag(24); PickupInventoryItem(19); PutItemInBag(21); PickupInventoryItem(3); PutItemInBag(23) <--- this won't work for some reason, i don't get the bag slots either |
| 19:45.23 | Shirik | Semicolons are not required in Lua, and I'm willing to bet you're going too fast for the server |
| 19:45.31 | Spellbinder | hmm |
| 19:45.39 | Hirsute | Should it be PutItemInBag(2,2)? |
| 19:45.55 | Spellbinder | i thought so, but this work |
| 19:46.06 | Spellbinder | well for the first 2 items |
| 19:46.12 | Spellbinder | 17 and 15 |
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| 19:47.09 | Jamash | is the bag full? |
| 19:47.28 | Spellbinder | 2,2 didn't work, but 22 did |
| 19:47.31 | Jamash | also, do you get any sort of error message? |
| 19:47.40 | Spellbinder | nope, but maybe there is something in that slot |
| 19:47.58 | Spellbinder | nothing more then "Item not going in that slot" |
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| 19:48.14 | Spellbinder | and thats the pole because the sword didnt go to the bag |
| 19:48.39 | Kirov | PutItemInBag is different |
| 19:48.42 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C-Bxifv2Pk <-pretty neat |
| 19:48.56 | Kirov | It's putting in to a bag based on their inventory item # |
| 19:49.21 | Kirov | It's the same as dragging an item over a bag icon. |
| 19:49.30 | Kirov | (ie: it'll put it in the first slot available) |
| 19:49.42 | Spellbinder | hmm |
| 19:50.04 | Kirov | To put it in a specific bag slot, you'll need to use PickUpContainerItem(bag,slot) |
| 19:50.11 | Kirov | (with bag being 0-4) |
| 19:50.35 | Shirik | oh my |
| 19:50.36 | Shirik | http://www.myfoxal.com/dpp/entertainment/games/dpgo_Warcraft_Helps_Swine_Flu_Researchers_SAB_05032009_2459614 |
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| 19:50.59 | Kirov | The bags themselves are part of your inventory, hence the two different numbers. |
| 19:51.22 | Spellbinder | i c what you say Kirov, but thats pickupcontaineritem, doesn't that pick something from tha bag rather then putting something in it? |
| 19:51.23 | Dagmar | "oh yeah this is great for our research!" |
| 19:51.56 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 19:51.59 | Dagmar | "A quarantine was ordered for infected characters, but many players ignored it and continued to interact with one another." |
| 19:52.10 | Dagmar | I don't remember any quarantine. Anyone else remember a quarantine? |
| 19:52.37 | Kirov | Spellbinder - if there's something in that bag slot, it'll pick it up, either way it'll place whatever is on your cursor in that slot. |
| 19:52.50 | Jamash | that article is rather inaccurate |
| 19:52.51 | Lunessa | Qarentine? Isn't that a Death Knight on Storm Peaks? |
| 19:52.54 | Spellbinder | aha |
| 19:52.56 | Lunessa | :P |
| 19:53.32 | Dagmar | s/rather/hellishly/ |
| 19:53.38 | Dagmar | They got the name of the game right at least |
| 19:54.12 | Kirov | My fiancee's DK is named Krystened |
| 19:54.20 | Dagmar | ""World of Warcraft" actually contains swine flu -- in the form of a spell of the same name -- which also has a chance of triggering an outbreak in the game world." |
| 19:54.38 | Dagmar | Nope. Has a proc named 'Outbreak'. Completely unable to be spread in any entertaining fashion |
| 19:54.59 | Spellbinder | didn't work :/ |
| 19:55.03 | Jamash | now the plague event, that was entertaining |
| 19:55.14 | Llamabark | good old zg disease in the ah.. |
| 19:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
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| 19:55.34 | Kirov | Dagmar - What, you expect reputable news organizations to actually research their stories pertaining to video games? |
| 19:56.02 | Dagmar | Kirov: Considering they could verify everything without leaving their cocktail lounge or putting down the blackberry? Yes. |
| 19:56.16 | Jamash | the whole virtual world to study real outbreaks thing seems kind of silly to me |
| 19:56.47 | Jamash | nobody in real life tries to get infected with the flu and run around to the stock exchange shouting "ENJOY YOUR AIDS" |
| 19:56.55 | Llamabark | sounds like the kind of thing second life fanatics would drool about doing |
| 19:56.55 | Kirov | Dagmar - that requires they know someone who plays video games. |
| 19:57.08 | Dagmar | No it doesn't. |
| 19:57.21 | Dagmar | It requires them to be literate and to be able to work Google. |
| 19:57.32 | Kirov | Spellbinder - It should |
| 19:57.39 | Jamash | well there's a few possibilities, that they tried and failed to understand the situation or that they just don't care |
| 19:57.46 | Kirov | Spellbinder - Is it moving anything? |
| 19:57.49 | Dagmar | I was able to determine that Swine Flu was not usefully communicable without having to go find a pig |
| 19:59.07 | Kirov | Spellbinder - the one really big scare factor with using PickupContainerItem() is if there's something on your cursor still when you go to PickupInventoryItem() it'll either equip it or cause a weird chain reaction. |
| 19:59.30 | Kirov | Spellbinder - what exactly are you trying to do btw |
| 19:59.40 | Spellbinder | nothing i used PickUpContainerItem(bag,slot) on. (19)(Tabard) and (15)(back) doesn't move for some reason Kirov |
| 20:00.21 | Kirov | PickupContainerItem |
| 20:00.33 | Spellbinder | strip him from battle gear to fishing gear and back |
| 20:00.33 | Kirov | Not PickUp |
| 20:00.36 | Spellbinder | oh |
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| 20:01.08 | Kirov | Really though, Itemrack / Outfitter / Closetgnome is your friend |
| 20:01.40 | Kirov | I personally don't understand peoples' facination with having to macro everything. |
| 20:01.51 | NeoTron | so word of advice - before you put cayenne pepper on your pizza, make sure it's cayenne pepper and not cinnamon |
| 20:01.56 | Jamash | lawl |
| 20:01.58 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:02.17 | Kirov | NeoTron - w/ sugar or w/o? |
| 20:02.23 | NeoTron | w/o |
| 20:02.31 | Kirov | heh |
| 20:02.33 | NeoTron | it looks very much the same. doesn't taste the same though |
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| 20:03.20 | NeoTron | my son just adviced via my wife over blackberry chat that I should always read the labels (he's 8) |
| 20:03.35 | Spellbinder | Kirov a macro is just a few commands, while a addon is a lot of stuff i don't need |
| 20:03.52 | Spellbinder | thats how i feel about it anyway |
| 20:04.34 | Spellbinder | and that PickupContainerItem worked, just it's more letters so now i got 255 xhars allready |
| 20:04.41 | Kirov | Spellbinder - a macro is a few commands that don't have any error checking and could potentially do something you really don't want (like deleting an item) |
| 20:04.41 | Jamash | except you actually do need it |
| 20:04.58 | Pharaunmizz | An addon is just a bunch of commands, but located in a file |
| 20:04.59 | Jamash | as evidenced by the amount of trouble you're having with this macro |
| 20:05.00 | Kirov | And there's that pesky 255 character limit |
| 20:05.13 | Spellbinder | :) |
| 20:05.28 | NeoTron | Shirik: the corrupted blood event was quite entertaining and did probably have some "pandemic research value"... |
| 20:05.31 | Spellbinder | also i allways have to update and such |
| 20:05.42 | Jamash | ah spider on my keyboard |
| 20:06.01 | NeoTron | Jamash: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE |
| 20:06.12 | Spellbinder | and that fishingbuddy was a bit buggy anyway |
| 20:06.22 | Spellbinder | i dunno |
| 20:06.24 | Kirov | Spellbinder - What I tend to do btw, is I have my own little addon (oddly called LockBar_Pet as it was the first addon I made). In that I write in a lot of little specific chunks of code (like whisper my target, or mouseover, including unit frames, but only if it's a friendly player) |
| 20:06.42 | Kirov | Most addons you really don't have to update very often. |
| 20:06.42 | NeoTron | http://xiaobaosg.deviantart.com/art/Spider-Flu-82217587 (SFW) |
| 20:06.44 | Spellbinder | k |
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| 20:06.55 | Kirov | ItemRack has worked w/o update for almost a year. |
| 20:07.29 | Kirov | Spellbinder - and technically, if an addon needs updating, it's quite likely your macro will to. |
| 20:07.31 | Kirov | too |
| 20:07.34 | Spellbinder | yeah i heard about itemrack, but never used it |
| 20:07.41 | Spellbinder | true |
| 20:07.53 | NeoTron | itemrack is (or was) a rather heavy/high resource addon if all you wanted was to swap gear |
| 20:07.56 | Spellbinder | but but i am so close :) |
| 20:08.04 | Spellbinder | see? |
| 20:08.04 | NeoTron | Closetgnome is much more lightweight and does nothing when not active |
| 20:08.13 | Spellbinder | ok |
| 20:08.39 | NeoTron | and in the next patch it seems the native equipment manager will be back |
| 20:09.02 | Jamash | yep |
| 20:09.04 | Kirov | In which case, hopefully, you won't need any of this. |
| 20:09.11 | Kirov | Though, I'll probably keep using ItemRack |
| 20:09.11 | Shirik | Apple needs to die a horrible death |
| 20:09.56 | Dagmar | No. |
| 20:09.59 | Kirov | I'll agree that most of what ItemRack does I don't need / want. It's just a very cleanly made addon (UI wise). |
| 20:10.00 | Jamash | more JRE problems? |
| 20:10.09 | Dagmar | Every person using a Mac or iBook or whatever is one less Windows user. |
| 20:10.15 | Shirik | Not exactly Jamash |
| 20:10.17 | Spellbinder | native equipment manager? is that something that will be in wow default or what are you saying? |
| 20:10.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Spellbinder: yes |
| 20:10.31 | Spellbinder | oh |
| 20:10.35 | Shirik | they did something legal this time, they invented their own "permission extension" which creates new permission types I have to request or deny |
| 20:10.43 | Shirik | Currently, I deny any permissions I don't recognize, which makes sense |
| 20:11.00 | Shirik | So someone pointed out one that's being denied that I need to allow, called "canProcessApplicationEvents" |
| 20:11.11 | Shirik | And I have been searching for it for like 30 minutes now and can't find any documentation on wtf it is |
| 20:11.11 | Kirov | Spellbinder - it was supposed to be in 3.0, but they didn't have time. So it was supposed to be in 3.1, but it had problems so they pulled it. Now it's supposed to be in 3.2 or possibly sooner, but we'll see. |
| 20:11.42 | Shirik | Even apple's documentation on RuntimePermission (which canProcessApplicationEvents is) doesn't list it |
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| 20:13.07 | Spellbinder | i c Kirov, well i have dl'ed ClosetGnome, i'll give it a shot |
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| 20:13.55 | Hirsute | The native equipment manager won't have auto-changing functionality, so I'll still be using Outfitter when it hits. |
| 20:14.47 | Grum | auto-changing? |
| 20:15.25 | Dagmar | Yes, as in "get naked while swimming" directives |
| 20:16.11 | Hirsute | Grum: Yes, for example, with Outfitter, I can set up Outfitter to change me into fishing gear whenever I turn on Fish tracking, or put on my mining gear when my cursor's over a veing that's red or orange to me, or switch gear when my warrior switches stances. |
| 20:16.37 | Hirsute | I think he's put in, or is working on putting in, scripts to change your gear sets when you switch specs, too. |
| 20:17.01 | Hirsute | All of this is done automatically when the conditions change. |
| 20:17.29 | Hirsute | The native equipment manager just allows you to define sets (only two, I think) of armor/weapons, and then gives you some slash commands you can use to manually change between them. |
| 20:17.58 | Hirsute | So, really, it's just a glorified macro system specific to armor and equipment. |
| 20:18.32 | Hirsute | s/armor and equipment/weapons and armor |
| 20:19.05 | Lopeppeppy | It will be on the PTR again I'm sure, you can test the functionality then. |
| 20:19.10 | Hirsute | It will suit some people very well, but it won't do what I'm interested in, so I'll still be using an addon. |
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| 20:20.01 | Kirov | I never understood why fishing required you to equip the fishing pole. |
| 20:20.14 | nicoli_s | cuz you can't fish with your hands? |
| 20:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | What else would you fish with? |
| 20:20.26 | Grum | he just has a big 3rd leg |
| 20:20.28 | Kirov | You don't have to equip your pick when mining. |
| 20:20.40 | Kirov | You don't have to equip your knife when skinning. |
| 20:20.51 | Lopeppeppy | I |
| 20:20.58 | Lopeppeppy | I've always thought you should have to, actually. |
| 20:20.59 | Hirsute | Kirov: because mining/skinning/etc, give you an indication when you're mousing over something you would use the gear for. |
| 20:21.12 | Lunessa | There was a time when you did. It just never got out of beta. |
| 20:21.12 | Hirsute | Fishing, I don't think there's any indication when you're mousing over water. |
| 20:21.40 | Lunessa | Also, fishing doesn't allow you to directly target a thing. |
| 20:21.49 | Hirsute | And, do you really want to switch into fishing gear every time you mouse over water anyway? Equipping the fishing pole seemed to make sense to me. |
| 20:21.51 | Kirov | Hirsute - Fishing is just a spell you cast, why not make a fishing pole a requirement the same way having an arc spanner or wand is required for engineering / enchanting. |
| 20:22.43 | Hirsute | Kirov: Ah, you were talking about why you need a fishing pole for fishing in general. |
| 20:23.03 | Kirov | Why you need to _equip_ it, vs just have it in your bag. |
| 20:23.25 | Hirsute | My guess is because it is used to give you +skill, every item that gives you +skill to a profession needs to be equipped. |
| 20:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | blows kisses. |
| 20:23.47 | Spellbinder | closetgnome worked really bad first etempt, i'll have to read some i think |
| 20:23.48 | Hirsute | Or enchanted upon something that is equipped. |
| 20:23.51 | Hirsute | Or consumed. |
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| 20:24.02 | Kirov | Spellbinder - what happened? |
| 20:24.31 | Spellbinder | i don't think i got yet how to set an set sort of |
| 20:24.46 | Spellbinder | i thought i did and it only swapped a few things |
| 20:26.30 | Kirov | Someone who uses ClosetGnome what to help? |
| 20:28.00 | NeoTron | do you by chance have JC gems? |
| 20:28.33 | Spellbinder | me? |
| 20:29.33 | NeoTron | yes |
| 20:32.15 | Kirov | ClosetGnome, Outfitter, and Wardrobe all do their set creation in the paper doll frame. I always liked ItemRack because I could create item sets w/o having to actually equip stuff. |
| 20:33.16 | Spellbinder | no NeoTron, and i c Kirov |
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| 20:34.26 | NeoTron | Kirov: benefit of using the paper doll frame is that it keeps constraints in mind (gems for example) |
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| 20:46.13 | Osstia | Hirsute: skinning knifes break that logic |
| 20:46.23 | Osstia | you skill from skinning, yet don't have to equip one |
| 20:46.36 | Osstia | half hour late, but i was reading up |
| 20:47.21 | Hirsute | Osstia: Skinning knives do *not* add to your skinning skill. |
| 20:47.48 | Osstia | were you talking about gaining skill by useing them? or +5 to skinning like the ZG sword? |
| 20:47.53 | Osstia | *using |
| 20:48.08 | Hirsute | What I said, in a less-direct manner, is that there are no items of which I'm aware that will give you +stats to your profession while just sitting in your inventory. (I was talking about the latter) |
| 20:48.20 | Osstia | ahh, I misunderstood |
| 20:48.30 | Osstia | and yeah, I think you are right there |
| 20:49.40 | Hirsute | No problem. There are consumeables, temporary enchants, permanent enchants, and equippable items that will +'s to your skill, but none that do so for just sitting in your inventory. The original question was "why do we need to equip fishing poles, rather than just have them in our inventory like mining picks or skinning knives". I think that may be the reason. |
| 20:49.56 | Hirsute | With the exception of the cheapest fishing pole, I think they all give at least *some* bonus to fishing. |
| 20:52.21 | Osstia | the first thing that come to mind for me was the actual mechanic. It requires you to click on a bobber. the bobber needs to attach to something in order to look normal. and it seems they wanted to have different models for poles from the beginning. So a generic fishing animation ws out of the question. |
| 20:52.46 | Osstia | where with mining it just renders a basic pick, no matter what you have in your inventory |
| 20:53.05 | Osstia | and iirc skinning just uses the default crafting animation that all crafting professions do |
| 20:53.44 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 20:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: anything special you do to enable opengl under fedora with rpmfusion nvidia drivers? |
| 20:55.23 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, pray |
| 20:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: it is a dark art |
| 21:01.11 | Thunder_Child | s/pray/sacrifice/ |
| 21:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I've got the kernel module loaded and working, xorg is running great with twinview.. no 3D accel |
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| 21:06.55 | Dagmar | Depends on your card |
| 21:07.21 | Dagmar | Some of the 6000's, 3d accel just "doesn't happen" if the desktop size is > 2048 pixels |
| 21:07.32 | Dagmar | ...two displays side by side generally exceed that |
| 21:07.47 | Dagmar | Check yet Xorg.0.log to make sure it's not telling you something important |
| 21:08.06 | p3lim | is there any licence that makes the code non-distributional free? |
| 21:08.21 | Dagmar | huh? |
| 21:09.43 | Lunessa | All Rights Reserved |
| 21:10.18 | p3lim | currently using GNU |
| 21:10.24 | p3lim | GPL* |
| 21:10.38 | Shirik | but... |
| 21:11.20 | Dagmar | It might help if you explained what "non-distributional" is supposed to mean. |
| 21:11.42 | p3lim | Its not allowed to be re-hosted elsewhere |
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| 21:11.57 | Dagmar | Just say that |
| 21:12.16 | Dagmar | ....or look closely at parts of the nVidia licence they distribute their compilable driver |
| 21:12.24 | Dagmar | You basically just have to say "Redistribution of this is forbidden" |
| 21:12.55 | Shirik | I don't understand what "free" is supposed to mean if you can't redistribute it :) |
| 21:12.57 | p3lim | just wondering if there is a genuine licence for it |
| 21:13.04 | Dagmar | After they realized it didn't help much, nVidia fixed it so there's an extra passage that allows redistribution with some conditions, one being you'r enot allowed to change a single bit |
| 21:13.12 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, free as in beer? :) |
| 21:13.14 | Shirik | The words "All rights reserved" is the license, basically, p3lim |
| 21:13.23 | Dagmar | p3lim: There's nothing that makes any licence any more "genuine" than the other. |
| 21:13.27 | ZorbaTHut | you certainly can't make it open-source with that clause though |
| 21:15.23 | p3lim | well im just looking at that rant that wowmatrix put on their FAQ, last question was about adding new addons to their database, and they said that they will add any addon that is free to distrubite through their licence they will be added, no matter what the author says |
| 21:15.27 | Dagmar | Well, it wouldn't be an OSI approved definition of open source |
| 21:15.52 | p3lim | GPL was one of the licenses listed, even though it says 'All rights reserved' at the very top of it |
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| 21:16.42 | p3lim | I just dont want to go through a takedown notice etc in case one of my addons should be redistributed somewhere else than on wowi |
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| 21:17.33 | Dagmar | How would you get a takedown notice for a site you didn't have anything to do with? |
| 21:17.33 | kneeki | p3lim, Luckily for me, none of my addons are good enough for someone to redistribute them ;) |
| 21:17.44 | Dagmar | Oh nevermind |
| 21:17.44 | p3lim | kneeki: :p |
| 21:17.45 | Osstia | hahaha kneeki |
| 21:17.48 | Osstia | amen to that |
| 21:18.19 | p3lim | two of my newer add-ons might get cought up in that mess |
| 21:18.43 | kneeki | p3lim, Molinari? |
| 21:18.48 | kneeki | that's pretty |
| 21:18.49 | p3lim | as an example |
| 21:19.09 | p3lim | Molinari uses the GPL license |
| 21:19.37 | kneeki | p3lim, How did you get the pretty sparkle effects? |
| 21:19.55 | p3lim | Its the same that blizzard uses on the pet bar |
| 21:20.01 | kneeki | oh? |
| 21:20.04 | p3lim | I just modified the size and colors of it |
| 21:20.11 | kneeki | that's so neat |
| 21:20.31 | p3lim | used a template made by blizzard, thats all |
| 21:20.52 | p3lim | I used oApplication as an example when I made the add-on |
| 21:21.00 | kneeki | AutoCastShineTemplate ? |
| 21:21.04 | p3lim | yes |
| 21:21.18 | kneeki | I'm browsing your code now, to see how you did it. But shouldn't you have commas seperating your inherits? |
| 21:21.26 | kneeki | ... inari', UIParent, 'SecureActionButtonTemplate AutoCastShineTemplate') |
| 21:21.30 | kneeki | no comma between |
| 21:21.37 | p3lim | the first version I made of molinari was just the alt-click function, the spark was added later for "prettiness" |
| 21:21.48 | p3lim | you don't need a comma |
| 21:21.48 | kneeki | I like the prettyness factor =) |
| 21:21.54 | p3lim | you can, but you don't need |
| 21:22.02 | kneeki | It make's or breaks addons imo |
| 21:22.03 | Dagmar | There's a _lot_ of addons that don't have commas there too |
| 21:22.19 | p3lim | yeah I remembered that spark from when I played my rogue and used oApplication |
| 21:23.03 | p3lim | im pretty sure blizzard uses something alike the string.find function to look into what templates a button/frame/whatever uses |
| 21:23.27 | p3lim | just a guess though |
| 21:23.52 | p3lim | heh, through making the add-on I found a blizzard bug too :p |
| 21:24.16 | p3lim | even Iriel got confused by it |
| 21:25.42 | kneeki | I wonder if it's possible to 'register' a button to work on OmniCC? |
| 21:26.04 | Shirik | I think it just has to be a SecureActionButton |
| 21:26.06 | kneeki | Since I'm basicly doing the exact same thing in my addon anyway, why re-write the wheel? |
| 21:26.07 | Shirik | but I don't know |
| 21:26.09 | p3lim | all buttons that uses SecureActionButtonTemplate and a cooldown frame is automaticly registered with OmniCC |
| 21:26.16 | kneeki | ... oh |
| 21:26.28 | kneeki | well, that may explain why it looks kinda fu nny then. it's doing them both. -_- |
| 21:26.29 | p3lim | its enabled by default, but can be ignored if wanted |
| 21:27.21 | Mikk | "You have reached the voice mailbox of Tinitus, Inc. Please leave a message after the biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...... |
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| 21:28.40 | kneeki | rofl |
| 21:28.53 | kneeki | god damnit, i should blurt out idioacys like that more often... |
| 21:29.14 | kneeki | That is the reason my buttons looked weird, I was doing it twice without realizing it *i just commented my own 'cooldown' code out |
| 21:33.19 | p3lim | Im just gonna add a modified version of the GPL license that fits my needs |
| 21:33.51 | Shirik | um p3lim |
| 21:34.00 | Shirik | I feel obligated to point out you are not allowed to modify the GPL |
| 21:34.19 | p3lim | so i'll make my own license |
| 21:34.20 | p3lim | :p |
| 21:35.15 | Tuller | bah |
| 21:36.05 | Dagmar | Well, you can fork the GPL |
| 21:36.14 | Dagmar | You just can't modify the GPL and still call it the GPL |
| 21:36.48 | Shirik | not really. The GPL is copyrighted and explicitly states you are not allowed to modify it. |
| 21:36.57 | Shirik | They only grant you the right to redistribute it unmodified. |
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| 21:37.34 | p3lim | Well, its the GPL license, just that I added two lines |
| 21:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it is no longer the GPL |
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| 21:38.29 | Shirik | however, they also say this |
| 21:38.30 | Shirik | "You can use the GPL terms (possibly modified) in another license provided that you call your license by another name and do not include the GPL preamble, and provided you modify the instructions-for-use at the end enough to make it clearly different in wording and not mention GNU (though the actual procedure you describe may be similar)." |
| 21:38.32 | Lunessa | Right. You're better off using another liscense. |
| 21:39.10 | p3lim | thats why I asked in the first place |
| 21:39.31 | p3lim | i quote: is there any licence that makes the code non-distributional free? |
| 21:39.49 | Lunessa | Frankly, I'd write: "You're allowed to use this addon, free of monetary charge, but you are not allowed to modify, alter, or redistribute this addon without express, written permission of the author." |
| 21:40.49 | Lunessa | That should, in all honesty, cover most of what you need, but IANAL. |
| 21:40.51 | Llamabark | afaik the original author can change licenses, but not others |
| 21:41.14 | Shirik | but you cannot revoke a license unless your license said it could be revoked |
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| 21:41.24 | Shirik | so if I have 1.0 which you gave me under GPL |
| 21:41.40 | Shirik | you can release 1.1 under "All rights reserved" but I can go to town redistributing 1.0 if I want to |
| 21:41.48 | kneeki | oh effing swell |
| 21:42.00 | Shirik | you can also stop distributing 1.0 under GPL and change it to "All rights reserved" however if I had a copy when you distributed it under GPL |
| 21:42.04 | kneeki | I broke my buttons somehow, and now they no longer do the OmniCC cooldown =\ |
| 21:42.05 | Shirik | I'm still allowed to redistribute under the GPL |
| 21:42.10 | kneeki | woo, i'm good at this |
| 21:42.28 | ZorbaTHut | maybe I'm in the minority here, but I think it's sort of sad that half of the WoW addon community is going closed-source just because there's one dude out there that we don't like. |
| 21:42.48 | Llamabark | causality |
| 21:43.00 | p3lim | Shirik: so what if I release a broken version under the GPL license, then redistrute a working version with a different license? |
| 21:43.11 | Shirik | then I can play around with the broken one all I want |
| 21:43.16 | p3lim | meh |
| 21:43.21 | Tuller | kneeki: http://code.google.com/p/tullamods/wiki/OmniCC#OmniCC_is_displaying_text_on_Addon_and_I_don%27t_want_it_to. |
| 21:43.26 | p3lim | ill just remove all the old files then |
| 21:43.33 | Dagmar | Damn |
| 21:43.37 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, when they were leeching from other sites, okay, that's a big problem, but now that they're hosting on their own? |
| 21:43.43 | p3lim | still, with the GPL license I can use a takedown on you |
| 21:43.52 | Dagmar | I've been looking for a copy of the Evil Bastard Licence but I can't seem to find it |
| 21:43.54 | p3lim | if you choose to redistribute the add-on |
| 21:44.03 | Dagmar | It would be perfect. |
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| 21:44.23 | Tuller | lies |
| 21:44.44 | Dagmar | It gives users the right to have a copy of the soruce code, but no rights to redistribute. All modifications must be reported to the original author who gets to decide whether or not they stay or go, etc |
| 21:44.51 | kneeki | Tuller, I'm doing that now, all of my secure buttons are using: inherits="SecureActionButtonTemplate, SecureHandlerDragTemplate, SecureHandlerStateTemplate", I also added: <Cooldown name="$parentCooldown" inherits="CooldownFrameTemplate"> into my template, and I did not touch the CooldownModel.noCooldownCount, so I assume it should be working |
| 21:45.47 | Dagmar | Explicitly covers all those problem states |
| 21:45.47 | Llamabark | First time I've seen such a blend of source code with closed licensing, rather interesting actually. People wanting to learn can do so, but author rights are retained. |
| 21:46.01 | ZorbaTHut | p3lim, I believe that issuing a takedown notice on a GPLed piece of software is technically perjury. It is, at the very least, absolutely not binding. |
| 21:46.21 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: I don't care if they're hosting. What I do care about is that they're hosting an author's work who's license forbids redistribution, or hacking clients to remove licenses. |
| 21:46.33 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, sure, but there are people talking about un-GPLing *so they can't host* |
| 21:46.50 | Tuller | that makes me somewhat sad :P |
| 21:46.52 | Dagmar | It's not perjury |
| 21:46.57 | Tuller | though I dislike the GPLish |
| 21:46.59 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: True, but honestly, I'm not that big a fan of the GPL. |
| 21:47.05 | Dagmar | "fraud" works fine tho |
| 21:47.24 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, the Google DMCA template includes: Include the following statement: "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed." |
| 21:47.33 | End | the standard C&D letter says "under... |
| 21:47.35 | End | dammit ZorbaTHut |
| 21:47.38 | ZorbaTHut | so for that one, at least, it'd be perjury. I don't know if the google dmca template is representative |
| 21:47.39 | ZorbaTHut | jinx ;) |
| 21:47.58 | End | also, I think the DCMA says something about the matter too |
| 21:47.59 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: That would be the Google template, and it only applies because they're making you "swear" |
| 21:48.01 | Dagmar | Even then it's dodgy |
| 21:48.06 | Lunessa | Frankly, I wish more authors put some honest thought into the ramifications of their license. |
| 21:48.09 | Dagmar | Simply lying doesn't count as perjury |
| 21:48.25 | Dagmar | ...it can easily count as fraud tho |
| 21:48.39 | NeoTron | with the curse point system enabled, wowmatrix hosting my addons actually remove (a small part, probably not noticeable but who knows) of my "revenue stream" |
| 21:48.52 | NeoTron | not like I'll get rich but there is a reason to close it down I suppose |
| 21:48.53 | Dagmar | You have to have sworn an oath or attestation (same as an oath sans bible) to commit perjury under normal circumstances |
| 21:49.02 | End | there's exceptions, Dagmar |
| 21:49.08 | End | for example, income taxes |
| 21:49.09 | Dagmar | End: I'm fully aware |
| 21:49.21 | NeoTron | were there any answers to the poor us "FAQ" posted by wowmatrix? |
| 21:49.26 | Dagmar | That's tax _fraud_ |
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| 21:49.43 | End | I think the DCMA specific mentions it to, with regard to proper C&D procedure |
| 21:49.54 | Dagmar | End: I wind up talking to the feds about "something or other" about every 5-7 years |
| 21:50.01 | End | er, DMCA I mean, stupid letters |
| 21:50.21 | Dagmar | I don't have a lot of choice but to be quite aware of what will get me into trouble and how much |
| 21:50.26 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Funny how that works. |
| 21:50.35 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'm innocent! |
| 21:50.54 | Llamabark | I'd rather err on the side of author rights over unauthorized hosting, personally. |
| 21:50.59 | Dagmar | You can get into some trouble just for fibbing to a fed |
| 21:51.02 | kneeki | Tuller, Is there a minimum button size that OmniCC will not write to? |
| 21:51.12 | Tuller | kneeki: 0? :) |
| 21:51.29 | End | I do have to agree though |
| 21:51.30 | Tuller | the main thing is you have to have a defined size, and all of that |
| 21:51.35 | End | either way it's fraud |
| 21:51.57 | kneeki | Tuller, mmm, ok. I'm using: <AbsDimension x="36" y="36"/> in my template. Which is the size of the default buttons. Just wanted to be sure that was Ok. |
| 21:52.04 | Dagmar | To make things more entertaining, there's clauses in the DMCA to handle "bad faith" reports |
| 21:52.05 | Tuller | yep |
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| 21:52.35 | Dagmar | I'm making no effort at all to be accurate here, but iirc it allows for a counterclaim for munnies after the second false takedown request |
| 21:53.13 | kneeki | Tuller, Are there any other requirements for this other than 'SecureActionButtonTemplate' and having a $parentCooldown? |
| 21:53.18 | End | yeah |
| 21:53.21 | kneeki | If not, I broke the crap out of it |
| 21:53.44 | Tuller | kneeki: well, the cooldown itself must be anchored to the object, and have a size and be a cooldown model |
| 21:54.16 | Tuller | but as a general rule, if you can see the cooldown spinner, then you should be able to see omnicc |
| 21:54.37 | kneeki | After disabling my own code, I no longer have the 'spinner'... |
| 21:54.49 | kneeki | My $parentCooldown does not have a set size however |
| 21:56.37 | kneeki | Hummmmmm, if I do a button:SetCooldown(0, 5) i get 'SetCooldown' a nil value. |
| 21:56.41 | kneeki | So yeah, I broke it |
| 21:57.01 | Tuller | _G[button:GetName() .. 'CooldownModel']:SetCooldown |
| 21:59.01 | kneeki | Is it supposed to be 'CooldownModel' and not just 'Cooldown'? Is that something OmniCC is doing? |
| 21:59.28 | Tuller | well, whatever the name is :P |
| 21:59.28 | Tuller | omnicc does not actually touch your code |
| 21:59.38 | Tuller | it only hooks the CooldownModel.SetCooldown method |
| 21:59.38 | kneeki | Aye |
| 21:59.50 | Tuller | names/etc do not matter |
| 21:59.57 | Tuller | size can matter |
| 22:00.06 | Tuller | but that's controlled by the minimum size threshold option |
| 22:00.16 | Tuller | and duration can matter as well |
| 22:00.32 | kneeki | Aye, all of that seems to be ok |
| 22:01.31 | Tuller | the important question is if you see the spinner or not |
| 22:01.40 | kneeki | I do not |
| 22:02.07 | Tuller | that's the problem :) |
| 22:02.16 | kneeki | yup, i'm working on seeing if it even exists or not |
| 22:02.21 | kneeki | I hate XML much |
| 22:02.35 | Esamynn | don't be hateful |
| 22:03.04 | Shirik | I'm a bit scared |
| 22:03.07 | Shirik | $ cat `find ./mmoimgr/src/com/ ./mmoimgr-services/src/com/ mmoimgr-zip/src/com/ |
| 22:03.07 | Shirik | wowi/src/com/ | grep \\.java | grep -v \\.svn` | wc -l |
| 22:03.07 | Shirik | 18240 |
| 22:03.32 | Osstia | lmao |
| 22:03.53 | Esamynn | pfft, 18k lines, is that ll? |
| 22:03.57 | Esamynn | all* |
| 22:03.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:04.06 | kneeki | I think my problem is FrameLevel |
| 22:04.13 | kneeki | I can see the spark, but not the cooldown |
| 22:04.30 | Shirik | wc -c: 744238 |
| 22:04.47 | Shirik | lua> 18240 / 365 / 8 |
| 22:04.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: 6.2465753424658 |
| 22:04.53 | NeoTron | 18240 lines in java is like what it takes for a fancy version of hello world |
| 22:04.58 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:05.08 | Esamynn | heh |
| 22:05.25 | NeoTron | java is impressively cumbersome and verbose sometimes |
| 22:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "Just another layer of abstraction and this problem will go away..." |
| 22:05.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:08.36 | Tuller | you know what I've seen at work? |
| 22:08.42 | Tuller | gotos in C# |
| 22:08.49 | kneeki | I think my button template is very over complicated |
| 22:09.26 | Tuller | pasty? |
| 22:09.39 | Esamynn | Tuller: hey now, I can think of a legitimate use for a goto in a modern language ;) |
| 22:10.00 | Shirik | like in Lua? |
| 22:10.35 | Jamash | The only legit use of goto I can think of is escaping a nested loop in languages that don't have break-to-label |
| 22:10.36 | kneeki | Someone care to simplify this a bit? http://www.wowi.pastey.net/113843 I have a feeling I'm doing much more than a typical spell button needs |
| 22:10.56 | Shirik | Jamash: Honestly I don't like break-to-label either |
| 22:11.03 | Shirik | though I will admit it I did use it, once, in Minion |
| 22:11.52 | kneeki | I wonder what would happen if I removed nearly all of that, and just used inherits="ActionButtonTemplate" |
| 22:11.57 | kneeki | -_- |
| 22:12.33 | Esamynn | Jamash: that would be it, yes |
| 22:12.56 | Shirik | But yeha, Esamynn |
| 22:12.57 | Esamynn | break-to-label - same diff |
| 22:12.58 | Shirik | http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/lvm.c.html |
| 22:12.59 | Jamash | my client word wrapped that as "ActionButt |
| 22:13.02 | Shirik | Ctrl+F "goto" |
| 22:13.09 | Tuller | is Cooldown an actual type? |
| 22:13.13 | kneeki | Bwa ha ha! Broke it good! |
| 22:13.21 | kneeki | Tuller, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 22:13.31 | Tuller | yep, it is |
| 22:13.59 | Tuller | first broken part: |
| 22:14.03 | Tuller | setframelevel |
| 22:14.31 | Tuller | don't hardcode levels :P |
| 22:14.41 | Tuller | that's probably causing things to not display |
| 22:14.44 | kneeki | Ok |
| 22:14.44 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 22:14.46 | kneeki | I'll rip all that out |
| 22:15.42 | Tuller | also, you're using this in a few places |
| 22:15.43 | Esamynn | most of the time you shouldn't have to modify frame levels directly, the parent hierarchy handles most cases pretty well |
| 22:16.20 | kneeki | Esamynn, hierarchy being inherits="" ? |
| 22:16.29 | Esamynn | no |
| 22:17.17 | Esamynn | when you create a child of a frame, it automatically gets its frame level set to one higher than its parent |
| 22:17.41 | kneeki | Oh I see |
| 22:19.18 | Tuller | there used to be some wackiness with regards to setframestrata, but most of those have been resolved |
| 22:20.44 | kneeki | Well, I copy-pasted the code from 'ActionButtonTemplate.xml' for my button template, even though I'm sure that was not the right way to do it. While keeping the secure inherits, still no luck with the flash. |
| 22:21.35 | Esamynn | what is the purpose of your button? |
| 22:21.47 | Jamash | to conquer the world! |
| 22:21.48 | kneeki | I can do it manually though, using '/script ClassButton1Cooldown:SetCooldown(0, 5)', but all I see is a flash. No cooldown circle |
| 22:22.04 | kneeki | Esamynn, It's just a button I created that has a spell bound to it |
| 22:22.13 | kneeki | so it looks identical to an action bar button |
| 22:22.26 | Esamynn | but you don't need to support dragging, etc. ? |
| 22:22.41 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/113846 |
| 22:22.45 | kneeki | Yeah, I do have that |
| 22:22.57 | kneeki | SecureHandlerDragTemplate |
| 22:23.14 | Jamash | oh does that let you drag in combat? |
| 22:23.21 | kneeki | Jamash, yup |
| 22:23.25 | Jamash | I should look into that then |
| 22:23.40 | Esamynn | how are you setting up the spell to be cast? by name, or by action id? |
| 22:24.29 | kneeki | Esamynn, button:SetAttribute("type", "spell"); button:SetAttribute("spell", theSpell) |
| 22:25.21 | kneeki | I actually just changed the code of the XML a bit in the <OnLoad>, http://www.wowi.pastey.net/113847 |
| 22:25.29 | kneeki | Not that it helps with my issue at all |
| 22:26.34 | Esamynn | so, you got rid of all the setframe level stuff, and you're still having issues? |
| 22:27.04 | kneeki | Esamynn, Aye, just flashing, no spinning dark thing |
| 22:27.08 | kneeki | and, no numbers |
| 22:27.49 | kneeki | Also, I only have the flash when I do it manually with /script |
| 22:27.58 | kneeki | by just casing any ole spell will not have a flash |
| 22:28.06 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 22:28.14 | Esamynn | how are you setting up the cooldown? |
| 22:28.21 | Esamynn | with CooldownFrame_SetTimer()? |
| 22:28.29 | kneeki | I'm not, I was hoping that OmniCC was going to do that |
| 22:28.37 | kneeki | Well, not hoping. But expecting it to |
| 22:28.42 | kneeki | should I still have to do that? |
| 22:28.49 | Esamynn | I'm not familiar with OmniCC |
| 22:29.34 | Jamash | omniCC just displays the number, you have to set the cooldown timer yourself |
| 22:29.46 | kneeki | Jamash, Oh? |
| 22:29.48 | kneeki | hmm |
| 22:29.49 | Esamynn | check to make sure the cooldown frame is actually being shown |
| 22:29.53 | Esamynn | as well |
| 22:30.10 | kneeki | Esamynn, buttonCooldown:IsVisible() or IsShown()? |
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| 22:30.41 | Jamash | yeah like in my addon I do local start, duration, enable = GetSpellCooldown(id, BOOKTYPE_SPELL); CooldownFrame_SetTimer(cooldown, start, duration, enable); |
| 22:31.29 | Jamash | my code is mostly stolen from SpellBookFrame.lua though |
| 22:31.38 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 22:31.53 | kneeki | I'm going to look into that once I get home. I have to leave work now though =\ |
| 22:31.57 | kneeki | see ya'll in a bit |
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| 22:43.09 | Jamash | secure handlers make my brain hurt |
| 22:47.41 | tekkub | "Big Red Rhino"... now that's just taking advantage of "Big Red Kitty" and it's popularity |
| 22:47.54 | tekkub | I need to make a hunter blog and name it "Throbbing Blood-engorged Bear" |
| 23:03.08 | |Jelly| | Anyone know of a proc watching mod that will give me the up time of weapon procs? |
| 23:03.12 | Thunder_Child | but thankfully you will not |
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| 23:23.33 | NeoTron | tekkub: you could just simplify the name as "hairy penis? |
| 23:24.04 | tekkub | nah |
| 23:24.45 | Thunder_Child | i hate to agree with tekkub, but that would take all the fun out of it NeoTron |
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