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| 00:12.00 | NeoTron | kd3: doesn't seem very time efficient |
| 00:13.10 | Adys | isnt that extremely old |
| 00:13.24 | Adys | i think i remember it from years ago |
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| 00:13.46 | Adys | not time efficient indeed though yea |
| 00:14.36 | NightHawkTheSane | the nsfw version would have been more impressive |
| 00:14.52 | Adys | sounds gore |
| 00:16.35 | mikma | fucking NBC cancelled Life |
| 00:16.45 | Adys | WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE |
| 00:17.00 | mikma | no, just us Life-fans |
| 00:17.05 | Adys | oh |
| 00:17.06 | Adys | good riddance |
| 00:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd like to think everyone was a fan of life. |
| 00:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | it's.. kind of important, you know. |
| 00:17.25 | Torhal | mikma: WTF? |
| 00:17.30 | Torhal | That show was kickass. |
| 00:17.48 | mikma | torhal: i know, the news about the cancel came out today |
| 00:18.05 | mikma | bloody hell |
| 00:18.59 | Torhal | Bastards. |
| 00:20.54 | mikma | torhal: http://www.tv.com/story/14491.html |
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| 00:24.15 | Torhal | mikma: Uh... |
| 00:24.21 | Torhal | You sure they have their facts straight? |
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| 00:24.35 | Torhal | They said "The cop drama will not be back for a second season"... |
| 00:24.41 | Torhal | The second season just ended. |
| 00:24.42 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:24.50 | mikma | well if LA times wants to ie about it |
| 00:25.13 | mikma | yeah, it says second but i bet they meant third |
| 00:26.09 | NeoTron | as long as Terminator:SCC isn't cancelled I'm good |
| 00:26.39 | Torhal | NeoTron: Yah, I'm dying to see how the hell they handle the jump. |
| 00:27.16 | NeoTron | it seems rather shaky at the moment unfortunately |
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| 00:47.10 | Shirik | so I just found out |
| 00:47.17 | Adys | sorry to hear |
| 00:47.20 | Shirik | apparently while I'm using my blackberry as a modem, it can still take/receive calls |
| 00:49.49 | Kraps | EVE is really complicated :/ |
| 00:50.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: does thataffect your bw? |
| 00:50.21 | Shirik | I haven't tested it extensively enough to know, but I would assume so |
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| 00:57.04 | Kraps | graphics cards updates are not good for your heart |
| 00:57.11 | Shirik | o.O |
| 00:58.16 | Kraps | gonna restart now *crosses fingers* |
| 00:59.33 | Kraftman | whats a good way to compare the efficiency of two functiosn that do the same thing? |
| 01:00.57 | NightHawkTheSane | damn.. 3800 dps on faerlina.. that may be a new high for my mage.. |
| 01:01.40 | Kirov | I hit 5800 on my mage last night during Mimiron... I'm about 500 short of what I should be though. |
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| 01:02.03 | NightHawkTheSane | (this is 10 man, on my mage alt, to be sure) |
| 01:02.23 | Kirov | Ah, yeah, 10 man I'm doing like 2k. Damn fire spec. |
| 01:02.38 | Kraps | this high res is really purty |
| 01:02.47 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* i'm arcane, as there's a FFB mage and Demo lock in the raid |
| 01:03.22 | NightHawkTheSane | my other spec is FB/TTW, i havent seen that performing as well as arcane for me though |
| 01:03.31 | Kirov | I went fire since after the 3.1 patch I had too much hit and no way of really getting rid of it with the peices I had. |
| 01:04.01 | Kirov | There's one arcane mage in our guild who has 460 hit though, 200 over what he needs. |
| 01:04.05 | Kirov | We make fun of him. |
| 01:04.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. I think the problem i'm having with fire is that to pull 14% from gear alone is still a bit of a stretch |
| 01:04.32 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 01:04.45 | Dagmar | 200 over? |
| 01:04.51 | kd3 | it's not that hard. I had to gem hit until I hit cap, now none of my gems have hit |
| 01:04.54 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm actually 1% under cap.. |
| 01:04.57 | Dagmar | Geez I'm like 100 under and I'm still hitting the test dummy for 2400+ |
| 01:05.09 | Dagmar | Attack Power FTW |
| 01:05.42 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: well, i haven't regemmed any of my (arcane oriented, so no hit) gear, plus it's purely whatever gear i can pick up from heroics/naxx-10 i can.. not a wide variety to choose from. |
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| 01:11.20 | Gnarfoz | so any recommendations on how to install Windows 7 into a triple-boot setup without destroying the already present Grub in my MBR? :o |
| 01:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't |
| 01:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The windows installer has one goal: make it work |
| 01:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It wipes your MBR boot loader as a result |
| 01:12.28 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware, that's why I'm asking |
| 01:12.29 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 01:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you know why :) |
| 01:13.13 | Gnarfoz | also aware, just looking for ways to avoid major damage :p |
| 01:13.21 | Gnarfoz | so basically... make a backup of my MBR and restore it afterwards :\ |
| 01:13.47 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | it's not hard |
| 01:13.53 | Shirik | so I'm on my first train ride here |
| 01:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 512 bytes is very little |
| 01:14.08 | Shirik | Sure enough, power just cut out, and a few minutes later there's an announcement |
| 01:14.26 | Shirik | "We've just been informed of a mechanical problem so we are in an emergency situation and have cut power while the problem is resolved..." |
| 01:14.30 | Wobin | and knowing is -half- the battle! |
| 01:14.44 | Dagmar | Better than having the lights go out and stay out in silence |
| 01:14.54 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: dd to the rescue! |
| 01:14.58 | Dagmar | ...and then having flesh-eating mutants break in through the back of the car |
| 01:15.00 | Dagmar | I hate those. |
| 01:15.01 | Shirik | I want to do work! |
| 01:15.02 | Shirik | Good thing my laptop has 3-4 hou battery |
| 01:15.02 | Shirik | hour |
| 01:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: exactly, dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr-backup bs=512 count=1 |
| 01:15.38 | Shirik | That being said I'm loving it still :) |
| 01:15.51 | Shirik | Might not be able to take planes unless I'm going cross country from now on |
| 01:15.57 | Gnarfoz | windows's actual bootloader will still be on it's own partition, right |
| 01:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 01:16.26 | Gnarfoz | damn them for "making it work" :p |
| 01:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Though it would be wise to backup win7's MBR too |
| 01:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "just in case" |
| 01:16.50 | Gnarfoz | windows setup needs like an "expert install or something |
| 01:20.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:20.28 | Shirik | expert install: |
| 01:20.31 | Shirik | - Exit setup |
| 01:20.35 | Shirik | - Tell you to install something else |
| 01:22.34 | Dagmar | yay! |
| 01:22.45 | Shirik | yay! |
| 01:22.48 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: something like that |
| 01:22.49 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 01:26.05 | Shirik | Apache, apache, apache |
| 01:26.09 | Shirik | when will you learn! |
| 01:26.24 | kd3 | "do what I want, not what I type!" |
| 01:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: orly |
| 01:26.44 | Shirik | apache's HttpClient is missing a doPrivileged() call |
| 01:26.57 | Shirik | so minion blocks it with Caused by: java.lang.SecurityException: Cannot request this permission from a tainted execution path |
| 01:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: write it, submit the patch, enjoy! |
| 01:27.46 | kd3 | grr |
| 01:27.50 | kd3 | where do I want to stay this year? |
| 01:28.06 | Shirik | "This would grant an attacker permission to get the class loader for a particular class. This is dangerous because having access to a class's class loader allows the attacker to load other classes available to that class loader. The attacker would typically otherwise not have access to those classes." |
| 01:28.15 | Shirik | ^ From Java documentation |
| 01:28.27 | Shirik | I can't just grant the permission blindly :( |
| 01:28.31 | Shirik | I guess I really do have to patch HttpClient |
| 01:29.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't Java have an HTTP-capable class? |
| 01:30.07 | kd3 | ick. 4285 files in my anime directory tree that anidb's client is keeping track of |
| 01:30.13 | Shirik | I'm using it for its SSL capabilties |
| 01:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought that the java-provided client had that |
| 01:30.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (Knowing what you need) |
| 01:30.28 | Shirik | not realistically |
| 01:30.37 | Shirik | it's feasible |
| 01:30.40 | Shirik | but it takes a ton of work |
| 01:30.55 | Shirik | You basically have to negotiate the SSL connection yourself if you want mutual authenticatiojn |
| 01:31.07 | kd3 | ! |
| 01:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | sounds painful |
| 01:31.19 | kd3 | there isn't something pre-written that uses ssl in java? |
| 01:31.23 | Shirik | which is why I went to Apache :) |
| 01:31.29 | Shirik | kd3: SSL, yes. Authentication? no |
| 01:31.52 | Shirik | They have SSLContext |
| 01:31.56 | Shirik | which gets you started |
| 01:31.58 | Shirik | but that's all it does |
| 01:32.01 | |Jelly| | So ... shaman pants drop in Ulduar and as we're looting, we all get disbanded, ported and now the server is down. |
| 01:32.03 | |Jelly| | awesome |
| 01:32.21 | kd3 | page gms. they /love/ dealing with server crashes |
| 01:32.44 | |Jelly| | It's definitely time for a server transfer. |
| 01:32.52 | Shirik | |Jelly|! Transfer to Dalaran! |
| 01:33.03 | Shirik | p.s. yet another reason to use KRT! |
| 01:33.03 | kd3 | ick. 60 pages on the wm block thread |
| 01:33.17 | Shirik | KRT would have distributed loot so fast ain't no server crash gonna stop you |
| 01:37.59 | mikma | ~cookie |
| 01:40.06 | bleeter | Shirik: ya know, I still can't help but think you'd have been better off using QT, like MentalPower and I suggested all those years ago... :P |
| 01:40.51 | Shirik | I know |
| 01:41.31 | |Jelly| | ... and of course, the alliance are aoeing the graveyard (where we were all ported) |
| 01:41.38 | bleeter | haha |
| 01:42.07 | |Jelly| | Yeah ... it's so awesome ... not. |
| 01:42.14 | bleeter | I tx'd onto PvE to 'be there' for a mate's guild for Ulduar... I'm so bored at summoning stones and being on standby nearby ... I've given up |
| 01:42.43 | bleeter | never realised how dependant I'd become on PvP near instance entrances for my personal definition of 'fun' |
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| 01:58.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I have to say, despite my consistent whine, your updater at a minimum looks good :) |
| 01:59.44 | Shirik | well you've seen the release schedule? |
| 02:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I have |
| 02:00.08 | mikma | is it tomorrow? |
| 02:00.12 | Shirik | er, no |
| 02:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 17th |
| 02:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | (beta) |
| 02:00.50 | mikma | will it stick? |
| 02:00.52 | mikma | <0500> <@Shirik> er, no |
| 02:00.55 | mikma | lolo |
| 02:01.04 | Shirik | I have no reason to think it won't |
| 02:01.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: "River of Tears originally posted by Adrine:" buhahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 02:01.31 | Shirik | If you read the thread, you'll see my logic behind picking that date |
| 02:01.33 | Shirik | I think it's sound |
| 02:02.21 | mikma | will it beat wowmatrix? |
| 02:03.06 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22789 |
| 02:03.15 | Seerah | ~poke mikma |
| 02:03.16 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind mikma, pokes mikma repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:03.18 | Cairenn | look at the stuff about modules |
| 02:03.27 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: I smacked him with my massive e-dong. |
| 02:03.31 | Antiarc | BECAUSE I COULD |
| 02:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | His post |
| 02:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never laughed so hard |
| 02:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "Grow up stupid little kid!" |
| 02:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ahahahaha |
| 02:05.42 | Antiarc | If I grow up any more I'll be too tall for standard doors :( |
| 02:05.52 | Antiarc | I already can't find fitting pants. |
| 02:06.21 | Wobin | link? |
| 02:06.27 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904294022&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 02:06.27 | Seerah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904294022&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 02:06.31 | Seerah | bah |
| 02:06.33 | Antiarc | posts 28 and 29 |
| 02:06.34 | Dagmar | So on the subject of security on the app |
| 02:06.48 | Shirik | oh my life |
| 02:07.00 | Shirik | Apache fail x2 |
| 02:07.02 | Dagmar | Is the thing going to be using pure Java for displaying the ads or will it be calling helper libs from the OS? |
| 02:07.05 | Shirik | It actually appears to be all related to one method |
| 02:07.29 | Dagmar | ...because the biggest threat there is still probably manchurian ads |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | Dagmar: It uses your OS's browser through a native library |
| 02:07.39 | Dagmar | OUch |
| 02:07.42 | Shirik | sorry, manchurian ads? |
| 02:08.15 | Dagmar | Yes. FIles which contain an image but take advantage of bugs in the rendering library in order to get extra privs |
| 02:08.25 | Dagmar | Like what the RBN are so fond of |
| 02:08.28 | mikma | shirik: hey poopmaster, the screenshots look nice |
| 02:08.33 | Antiarc | Shirik: I made this request for the Curse client, and I'll make it for the WoWI one as well: When I open the client, I'd like a side-panel that lists changelogs for mods that need to be updated. Effectively a changelog diff of the remote versions and my versions |
| 02:08.59 | Dagmar | Like, at the moment I could probably go digging around the web and find a PDF that'll install a trojan |
| 02:09.02 | Shirik | Aren't those extremely old bugs that should have been patched by now? |
| 02:09.02 | Shirik | Admittedly, that is a vector. But I'm not sure I can do anything about it. |
| 02:09.32 | Dagmar | New York TImes, Cute Overload, several other large sites have been twisted that way in the last two years |
| 02:10.01 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: come on you should know how fucking long it takes for microsoft to patch IE bugs |
| 02:10.04 | Arrowmaster | forever |
| 02:10.05 | Dagmar | It's something o keep in mind because there would be a very particular focus to those ads |
| 02:10.19 | Dagmar | SOmething criminal goldfarming enterprises would look at as a "target rich" environment |
| 02:10.28 | Arrowmaster | imho embed webkit so you know exactly what is being used to render the ads |
| 02:10.42 | Dagmar | Good ideaw |
| 02:11.16 | Arrowmaster | or one of the other embedable rendering engines but i think webkit is probably the easist to embed |
| 02:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | embedding those libs means that he has to update them |
| 02:12.43 | Dagmar | Like, this is one of the things from 2004 that caused some grief http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/ms04-028.shtml |
| 02:13.10 | Wobin | ooh |
| 02:13.13 | Wobin | "Petulant" |
| 02:13.17 | Wobin | That's -three- syllables! |
| 02:13.31 | Antiarc | It's a nice old geezer word. |
| 02:14.12 | Dagmar | ...like "lit-er-a-cy" |
| 02:14.31 | Antiarc | I can say supercalifragiliciousexpialidocious backwards. |
| 02:14.34 | Antiarc | That's a lot of syllables. |
| 02:14.45 | Dagmar | Shirik: So long as your OU is hosting the ad images, and you've got first crack at sanitizing them, it shouldn't be much of a problem |
| 02:15.05 | Wobin | woot, my cousin just had a baby boy =) |
| 02:15.14 | Iriel | Shirik: You could check the JVM version you're on and refuse to operate if it's a known compromised version, or require the user to enter 'I wish to proceed at my own risk' into an edit box? |
| 02:15.14 | Wobin | (not sure what the relationship is there...) |
| 02:15.15 | Dagmar | ...but once the door is open to third-party sites to host their own images, it becomes a vector. |
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| 02:15.54 | Guest87418 | what's the last thing I said? |
| 02:15.54 | Iriel | You'd want to use SSL or signed assets too, for those images |
| 02:15.58 | Guest87418 | oh fu nickserv |
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| 02:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:09 <@Shirik> Admittedly, that is a vector. But I'm not sure I can do anything about it. |
| 02:16.33 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 02:16.36 | Dagmar | SImilar stunts have been pulled with GIF and PNG as well |
| 02:16.40 | Shirik | wow I was talking to myself for a very long time |
| 02:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | seriously |
| 02:16.51 | Dagmar | I'll repeat |
| 02:17.16 | kd3 | love how no one reports the op of the latest thread as trolling |
| 02:17.18 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:17.19 | Dagmar | New York TImes, Cute Overload, several other large sites have been twisted that way in the last two years |
| 02:17.24 | kd3 | hits submit |
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| 02:18.14 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904294022&pageNo=2&sid=1#34 o.O |
| 02:18.20 | Dagmar | So long as you're hosting the images and have first crack at sanitizing them, you're probably golden, but after the door is opened to allow third-party advertisers to supply their own URLs to their own sites to provide the ads, it'll become a very attractive vector |
| 02:18.38 | Cairenn | ckknight: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904294022&pageNo=2&sid=1#34 |
| 02:18.53 | Dagmar | GIF, PNG, and JPG have all had exploits in-the-wild in the last four years |
| 02:18.55 | Cairenn | he's saying you aren't the copyright owner |
| 02:21.03 | ckknight | yea, it actually is fuzzy, as Cart has multiple contributors, but I talked to as many as I could and put a blanket statement out that anyone who had contributed that has a problem can talk to me about it and we'll work something out |
| 02:21.09 | ckknight | which is between me and said contributors |
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| 02:21.25 | Dagmar | It's doubtful any of them are going to get worked up about it |
| 02:21.37 | Shirik | sigh |
| 02:21.40 | ckknight | right, and if one does, worst case, I'll go back to GPL |
| 02:21.43 | Shirik | I'm in a very low signal area, sorry :( |
| 02:21.50 | Dagmar | ...unless maybe you show up at Blizzcon with an "escort" under each arm and ten pounds of gold around your neck |
| 02:21.55 | Shirik | let's start over Dagmar :) |
| 02:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: screen + irssi time for you |
| 02:22.05 | Shirik | I agree, Dagmar, we would have to be careful about the ads. Hopwefully it's something that could be addressed |
| 02:22.11 | Shirik | Arrowmaster's suggestion of Webkit is doable; it would just be replacing another library anyway |
| 02:22.18 | Shirik | but does Webkit know how to render flash? |
| 02:22.27 | Dagmar | Flash would probably be a mistake |
| 02:22.28 | Antiarc | This guy seems to be under the delusion that ckk owes the general public an audit of the relicensing process. Heh. |
| 02:22.32 | ckknight | yes, if a flash plugin is available, Shirik |
| 02:22.34 | Dagmar | They've had kind of a steady stream of exploits |
| 02:22.54 | Shirik | Dagmar: In all honesty, I simply can't close every hole from every vendor |
| 02:22.56 | ckknight | Antiarc: I owe the public nothing. I owe the other contributors of Cart something, yes, but none have asked. |
| 02:22.59 | Shirik | at some point they're going to have to pick up the slack |
| 02:22.59 | Dagmar | This is true |
| 02:23.09 | Shirik | What about the bugs in Java's JRE where they make inappropriate doPrivileged calls? |
| 02:23.10 | Antiarc | ckknight: Exactly what I said in that thread. |
| 02:23.32 | Dagmar | Are you planning on letting third-parties submit their own Java code for displaying ads? |
| 02:23.35 | Shirik | I can't go around looking for every out-of-place doPrivileged call and then keep traversing the stack and look for taint |
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| 02:23.47 | Shirik | I'm letting them supply URLs, which are validated before much more happens |
| 02:23.50 | ckknight | good reply, Antiarc |
| 02:24.50 | Dagmar | URLs with weird stuff embedded in them aren't going to be near the threat an exploiting JPG might create |
| 02:25.43 | |Jelly| | ckk: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm an end user. That means I'm ENTITLED to whatever I desire! |
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| 02:28.28 | Shirik | ok, now I'm on screen+irssi |
| 02:28.33 | Shirik | boo @ bad areas |
| 02:28.50 | Dagmar | Whatcha bet within a month some company out or Russia contacts you about running ads |
| 02:29.02 | Dagmar | s/out or/out of/; |
| 02:29.02 | Shirik | anyway Dagmar by "validate" I mean "check to see that the page is something I want to allow to be rendered" |
| 02:29.12 | Shirik | not that the URL is crap |
| 02:29.16 | Iriel | Dagmar: if you're that paranoid, wouldn't you be keeping your JVM up to date? |
| 02:29.28 | Dagmar | Iriel: I wouldn't call it paranoid. |
| 02:29.29 | Shirik | I feel that I've missed a lot in my disconnections :) |
| 02:29.33 | Shirik | I see Iriel is pitching in |
| 02:29.38 | Dagmar | I would call it "versed in the ways of cyber ciminrality" |
| 02:29.46 | Dagmar | ...but with better spelling. |
| 02:30.24 | Dagmar | Cute Overload and NYT both got bagged by an advertiser who was letting them see one ad, and then 1 out 100 visitors would get a different ad served up from the hosting server |
| 02:31.13 | Iriel | Dagmar: was that because of spoofing, or a malicious advertiser? |
| 02:31.23 | Dagmar | A malicious advertiser |
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| 02:31.47 | Dagmar | The victim site would look fine to 99 out of 100 visitors, which makes it hard to check for |
| 02:32.21 | Dagmar | THat 100th visitor would see the same site, but the ad they'd get from the third-party server would contain the image and a little dose of evil |
| 02:32.56 | Dagmar | If you've got some GOogle fu you can search for IMG SRC tags that contain a reference to a PDF |
| 02:33.00 | Iriel | So you'd really want to proxy and normalize all the images via a trusted host |
| 02:33.05 | Dagmar | 20 minutes of that will turn you up an exploiting PDF file |
| 02:33.11 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 02:33.12 | kd3 | yay privoxy? |
| 02:33.21 | Dagmar | Or just tell the advertisers "Send us the image and we'll host it here" |
| 02:33.55 | Dagmar | THat gives you time to sanitize the image file |
| 02:34.02 | Iriel | Though you could just stick a nasty PDF in your addon as a readme |
| 02:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: people never read the readme |
| 02:34.19 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:34.23 | Dagmar | Yeah a readme would probably be safe for that reason. ;) |
| 02:34.28 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: funny how he thinks a "public audit trail" is somehow necessary... the only ones affected by relicensing from GPL to something else are contributors and the author(s), certainly not users or random other people ;o |
| 02:35.26 | Iriel | My guess is they read something about how linux had problems with that, and decided it must apply here |
| 02:35.31 | Dagmar | For sjits and giggles sometime, embed EICAR in the exif tags for your buddy icon |
| 02:37.36 | kd3 | oh that'd be amusing |
| 02:37.54 | Dagmar | Most corporate anti-vir software will just go "Meh. Exif isn't executeable" and ignore it now (thankfully) |
| 02:38.00 | Dagmar | I did it back in 99 and it was epic fun |
| 02:38.04 | Dagmar | ....and 96 |
| 02:38.53 | Dagmar | Some antivir will see it in the cache and tmpdirs when doing a full scan and still get excited about it |
| 02:39.09 | Shirik | "excited" |
| 02:39.30 | Dagmar | As in sound alarms, write log entries, chuck files into quarantine |
| 02:39.51 | Dagmar | AIM would just self-immolate in 99 if the antivir scanned memory and removed the object |
| 02:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | looking at AIM funny back then would cause it to crash and burn :P |
| 02:40.46 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:40.58 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I remember good fun sending some string to windows aim clients and crashing them |
| 02:42.50 | Dagmar | I remember things I'll um... not mention |
| 02:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | well yes, that too. :P |
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| 02:44.19 | AbsolutRayne | http://hdimage.org/images/3v0pe0x3m84k8xqq8hi_ocrnhot022309000613.jpg This UI look familiar to anyone? |
| 02:44.29 | AbsolutRayne | I know ive seen it |
| 02:45.48 | Gnarfoz | I'm just seeing a big soup of fonts |
| 02:46.12 | AbsolutRayne | Thanks for the input |
| 02:46.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904073039&sid=1 |
| 02:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That thread will go good places |
| 02:47.43 | Dagmar | I'm tempted to respond to it |
| 02:47.54 | kd3 | I'm not even touching it |
| 02:48.42 | Antiarc | Tempted to give him the old "visit a URL" API command |
| 02:48.55 | Hirsute-Home | Antiarc: Is the Alt-F4? |
| 02:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I know what he's talking about |
| 02:49.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think it is warranted |
| 02:49.23 | Shirik | wow |
| 02:49.25 | Shirik | that sounds really cool |
| 02:49.26 | Dagmar | The people at WowEcon would wet themselves if such a thing were allowed |
| 02:49.32 | ScytheBlade1 | His intent is short-sighted but little else |
| 02:49.32 | Shirik | "RSA Premaster secret error" |
| 02:49.47 | Antiarc | -I- would wet myself if I could talk to external data sources |
| 02:50.00 | Dagmar | Well, me too, but that's beside hte point |
| 02:50.01 | AbsolutRayne | Damn, that new WoWMatrix thread has already been reported |
| 02:50.02 | AbsolutRayne | oh well |
| 02:50.04 | Dagmar | My motives would just be weird |
| 02:50.59 | Antiarc | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=API_LaunchURL&oldid=59228 >:] |
| 02:51.29 | Antiarc | what new wowmatrix thread? |
| 02:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | oh that |
| 02:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
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| 02:51.59 | kd3 | abso; I'm pretty quick about reporting them if they show up on IRC and I'm paying attention |
| 02:52.28 | AbsolutRayne | kd3: I thought by now most of the people wouldve taken the hint. |
| 02:52.30 | AbsolutRayne | I guess not though |
| 02:52.41 | Dagmar | Trolls don't take hints |
| 02:53.01 | AbsolutRayne | Neither do morons |
| 02:53.12 | Dagmar | GOod thing we don't have any of THOSE on the forums. |
| 02:53.21 | AbsolutRayne | Seriously |
| 02:53.25 | Jamash | mehehehehe, I'm suppressing "You have learned X." and "You have unlearned Y." messages by turning the GlobalStrings format expressions into match expressions. |
| 02:53.52 | Dagmar | Bleh. Have any of you figured out what magical thing makes POwer Auras look at the tourney mount? |
| 02:54.16 | Dagmar | I'm getting nothing but talk to the hand from Google over it |
| 02:55.09 | Dagmar | I guess it doesn't matter much now that I've gotten the hang of that |
| 02:55.19 | Dagmar | ...that and the performance-enhancing runes |
| 02:55.55 | AbsolutRayne | So I had pancakes tonight for dinner. Trouble was that the recipe called for Eggs, but I didnt have any. I ended up using margrine. |
| 02:56.07 | AbsolutRayne | I felt like I was eating a wet blanket. |
| 02:56.10 | Jamash | ew |
| 02:56.13 | Dagmar | YEah I should think so |
| 02:57.20 | Jamash | if I use %a in a match expression to detect text, it's gonna break horribly on non-en_US clients, right? |
| 02:57.43 | Shirik | AbsolutRayne: Eggs and margarine are... quite different |
| 02:57.45 | Shirik | to say the least |
| 02:57.53 | AbsolutRayne | Shirik: I know, but I was hungry :( |
| 02:58.30 | Dagmar | That depends on how locale-aware lua is being I suspect |
| 02:59.15 | Wobin | AbsolutRayne: Eggs ~= Oils |
| 02:59.57 | Dagmar | If it's locale-aware, it shoudn't create a problem |
| 03:00.00 | Nechckn | tekkub I am still searching for the hand drier that dispenses bacon!! No luck yet... |
| 03:00.33 | Iriel | Mmmmm bacon |
| 03:00.38 | AbsolutRayne | Once again, im left outside Ulduar because this guild plays favorites too much |
| 03:00.43 | AbsolutRayne | Time to find a new home. again. |
| 03:00.54 | Jamash | I guess I can switch from using "match letters and spaces" to "match everything but punctuation" |
| 03:00.54 | Nechckn | AbsolutRayne that is really, really no fun/fair. |
| 03:01.18 | Nechckn | As you said... I would be out the door on that group. |
| 03:01.19 | Dagmar | Jamash: I'd try a test or two first |
| 03:01.20 | AbsolutRayne | Too many tanks in the guild, and not enough good tanks. |
| 03:01.31 | Dagmar | Built correctly, perl does the right thing about that |
| 03:01.34 | Nechckn | =( That is even worse. |
| 03:01.40 | Wobin | AbsolutRayne: I think... if you're desperate for an egg substitute... a tablespoon of cornstarch might work |
| 03:02.37 | Jamash | Dagmar: I'm not sure how to test that without downloading the Chinese client. |
| 03:02.42 | AbsolutRayne | Wobin: Dinner is already over |
| 03:02.53 | Wobin | pancakes for dinner? =) |
| 03:04.00 | Wobin | is in the middle of making cinnamon rolls |
| 03:04.08 | Wobin | just waiting for the dough to rise... |
| 03:04.25 | Wobin | (this is why I don't bake breads... so much waiting...) |
| 03:04.28 | Iriel | is waiting for rice to be done |
| 03:04.57 | Wobin | has a rice cooker, finally! |
| 03:05.04 | Iriel | Me too! |
| 03:05.09 | Wobin | Best thing ever =) |
| 03:05.10 | Iriel | As of saturday |
| 03:05.48 | Iriel | http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku6017818/index.cfm |
| 03:06.24 | Wobin | woo http://io9.com/5239935/is-there-anything-china-mieville-cant-do |
| 03:06.32 | kd3 | neat. a product with "fuzzy logic" in the title. it should use fuzzy time, though |
| 03:06.40 | kd3 | done "soon", "in a while", "now"... |
| 03:07.45 | Wobin | Blizzard has always worked using Fuzzy Deadlines |
| 03:08.08 | Shirik | does anyone actually know what an "RSA Premaster" is? |
| 03:09.04 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ! Sounds like a question for you! |
| 03:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 03:09.16 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 03:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 03:09.29 | Iriel | Shirik: Google it, you'll get an answer |
| 03:09.41 | kd3 | wow, only 9600 results |
| 03:10.08 | Shirik | Iriel: All I've found are bug reports which don't seem to apply |
| 03:10.26 | Iriel | http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=567433 |
| 03:10.32 | Iriel | Read the whole thing |
| 03:11.01 | Iriel | there are some policy things on page 2 whic I suspect may help |
| 03:11.31 | Iriel | Reply 18 |
| 03:11.50 | Shirik | I've already looked at that thing :/ though I did happen to miss the SecurityManager post I'll admit that |
| 03:12.05 | Shirik | omg there's another page |
| 03:12.17 | Shirik | >.> |
| 03:12.24 | Shirik | ok that's not fair |
| 03:12.31 | Iriel | L2web |
| 03:12.34 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 03:13.24 | Shirik | The button was hidden! |
| 03:13.32 | Shirik | I blame chrome, totally not my fault |
| 03:13.47 | kd3 | >.> at the new party thread |
| 03:14.33 | Shirik | I still think the error sounds awesome |
| 03:14.33 | Shirik | "RSA Premaster" |
| 03:15.43 | kd3 | hm... where's my new HDD? |
| 03:15.51 | kd3 | spins the wheel at UPS's site |
| 03:16.18 | kd3 | louisville |
| 03:17.11 | kd3 | which is odd, considering I live outside of atlanta it it's getting shipped from texas |
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| 03:18.03 | Shirik | I think UPS forces their customers to get faster shipping methods |
| 03:18.15 | Shirik | like if you pay for 3 day, it could be delivered from next door but they'll make sure it takes thee full 3 days |
| 03:18.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't be surprised if both ups and fedex do that. |
| 03:18.34 | Nechckn | Shirik that has happened to me many times with them |
| 03:18.39 | Nechckn | They surely do hold back. |
| 03:19.00 | Nechckn | ThinkGeek is right here outside of DC... yet they'll take 3 days to get the damn order to you... |
| 03:19.11 | Shirik | wow wtf? |
| 03:19.16 | Shirik | I think my phone is on crack |
| 03:19.16 | Nechckn | Yepper |
| 03:19.23 | Shirik | it says at the top "SIM Card Rejected" |
| 03:19.30 | Jamash | probably just loose |
| 03:19.39 | Iriel | Shirik: I've had that happen, in my case my sim card had failed |
| 03:19.40 | Nechckn | duct tape to the rescue! |
| 03:19.42 | kd3 | your phone is now un-jailbroken? |
| 03:19.47 | Iriel | but they said usually you just need to clean and re-seat |
| 03:19.50 | Shirik | I swear to god, Iriel, if the sim card failed :P |
| 03:19.54 | Shirik | I'm going to kill someone |
| 03:20.04 | Iriel | Mine was OLD |
| 03:20.06 | Shirik | This is my third blackberry |
| 03:20.08 | Iriel | So you're probably ok |
| 03:20.22 | Iriel | Heh, mine was in a BB |
| 03:20.26 | Shirik | and I got my first in January |
| 03:20.38 | Shirik | so we're looking at an aaverage MTBF of about what, 2 months? |
| 03:20.42 | Iriel | but anyway, pop the sim, clean the contacts, put it back |
| 03:20.55 | Shirik | I mean it obviously still works |
| 03:20.59 | Shirik | I'm still online |
| 03:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | it's like an nes cart, just give it a good blow |
| 03:21.08 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:21.10 | Shirik | so I'd like to know wtf it's talking about |
| 03:21.41 | Iriel | it may have just failed a service call |
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| 03:27.20 | Wobin | interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/dining/29salt.html |
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| 03:30.28 | Iriel | Wobin: odd |
| 03:31.07 | Shirik | that's for some mega salt Wobin :) |
| 03:31.36 | Shirik | Iriel: btw you win. Security check failed: java.lang.SecurityException: Cannot request this permission from a tainted execution path |
| 03:31.48 | Shirik | that's what's cuasing it |
| 03:32.00 | Shirik | But in my defense I was already reading that page, just didn't realize there was a second page to the thread :( |
| 03:32.02 | Iriel | Shirik: Yay, I win at google! |
| 03:32.23 | Seerah | tell him what he's won! |
| 03:32.24 | Shirik | Since the entire first page talks about how it's some bug with 1.5 |
| 03:37.33 | Shirik | tackles Seerah |
| 03:37.36 | Shirik | where have you been |
| 03:37.39 | Seerah | here |
| 03:37.39 | Shirik | all ninja |
| 03:37.44 | Shirik | not talking! |
| 03:37.58 | Seerah | well... I didn't have this tab showing.... |
| 03:38.18 | Seerah | but if you need me, then just ping :P |
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| 03:38.26 | Seerah | tickles Shirik |
| 03:38.30 | Shirik | :P |
| 03:39.45 | digmouse | is there any NA and EU MMO selling chart? didnt find one on mmorpg.com or site like that |
| 03:40.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "selling chart"? |
| 03:40.11 | digmouse | ye, MMO top sales chart |
| 03:44.23 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 03:44.27 | Shirik | it's alive! it's aliiiive |
| 03:44.49 | Seerah | quick! |
| 03:44.53 | Seerah | get the torches and pitchforks! |
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| 03:59.07 | Wobin | http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5444XQ20090505 |
| 04:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:01.42 | Shirik|Ecole | that's more PR than anything else |
| 04:01.48 | Shirik|Ecole | they aren't locking it up because it's dangerous |
| 04:01.53 | Shirik|Ecole | they're locking it up because people are scared of it |
| 04:02.07 | Shirik|Ecole | (they have no reason to be scared, but people are stupid) |
| 04:03.02 | Nechckn | As the old head of the FDA said... "There are no confirmed cases of Swine Flu in any pigs." That was last week, anyway. |
| 04:03.20 | Nechckn | So... it is rather stupid/funny/sad. |
| 04:05.21 | Wobin | yeah =\ This is what will kill humans |
| 04:06.35 | Shirik|Ecole | ourselves? |
| 04:06.40 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean we do a pretty good job of that already |
| 04:08.15 | tekkub | so Shirik|Ecole, I assume the minion will ignore addons with .svn and .git folders by default? |
| 04:08.25 | Shirik|Ecole | correct |
| 04:08.42 | tekkub | yatta! |
| 04:09.12 | Shirik|Ecole | To accomodate for addons you might want to update with svn or git, I'm considering writing a module to handle those systems |
| 04:09.15 | Shirik|Ecole | but that's for a later date |
| 04:10.12 | tekkub | yea it's more likely the folders are there because you're actually developing the addon |
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| 04:10.25 | tekkub | if you're mass-updating with svn you should be shot |
| 04:10.32 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah |
| 04:10.44 | airtonix | cocks gun |
| 04:10.56 | Shirik|Ecole | that's why I did it :) |
| 04:10.56 | Shirik|Ecole | For things like |
| 04:10.56 | Shirik|Ecole | MDD> 05-05-09 21:22:34.171 - [MMOUI Manager - World of Warcraft] Skipping AddOn at 'C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\!Swatter': Addon contains forbidden directory '.svn' |
| 04:10.57 | Shirik|Ecole | and the rest of the auctioneer suite :) |
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| 04:11.12 | tekkub | "forbidden" that's perfect |
| 04:11.32 | airtonix | can haz word : blasphemous |
| 04:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, that might be better |
| 04:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually no |
| 04:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | .svn = forbidden |
| 04:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | .git = blasphemous |
| 04:11.56 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 04:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It IS Shirik writing this, after all |
| 04:11.59 | airtonix | shrieks |
| 04:12.01 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry they both say forbidden :) |
| 04:12.04 | Seerah | should put verboten instead - see how many people ask what it means |
| 04:12.37 | Shirik|Ecole | you can put in a ticket for feature request, ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:12.37 | Shirik|Ecole | if you can really call that a feature |
| 04:12.42 | Iriel | How about "scary directory" |
| 04:12.46 | tekkub | and throw a fatal error if they try to manually update it |
| 04:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: pass me the source and I may write you a patch! |
| 04:13.16 | airtonix | or 'won't update addon, because...it weighs the same as a duck and therefore....' |
| 04:13.18 | ZorbaBeta | there's actually one situation where QH will report an "error id cakbep ten T". it also pops up a window describing exactly what the problem is - the error code is only there so I can say "dude, read the stupid popup" |
| 04:13.32 | ZorbaBeta | it's been surprisingly effective, but a few people have reported it as a QH error and asked when it will be fixed. |
| 04:13.49 | Seerah | airtonix: a witch! a witch! buuuurrrn heeerrrr! |
| 04:13.50 | tekkub | close it with "cannot fix" |
| 04:14.00 | Shirik|Ecole | "cakbep ten T"? |
| 04:14.09 | Shirik|Ecole | I see pebkac spelled backwards |
| 04:14.28 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, "id 10 t" |
| 04:14.33 | Shirik|Ecole | ah |
| 04:14.46 | ZorbaBeta | I didn't want it to be *too* obviously calling the user an idiot. |
| 04:14.53 | Seerah | hehe |
| 04:15.11 | tekkub | see when you try to hide shit like that, the only ones you fool are idiots, and they're always prone to violence when they find out you're making fun of them |
| 04:15.27 | ZorbaBeta | tekkub, well, it's an error that only pops up when people are playing on a private server anyway |
| 04:15.30 | tekkub | it's better to just throw "User error, the proper authorities have been notified" |
| 04:15.41 | ZorbaBeta | overall this is not a group I particularly worry about offending ;) |
| 04:15.49 | tekkub | even more reason to freak them out! |
| 04:15.57 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:15.59 | Shirik|Ecole | airtonix: MDD> 05-05-09 22:39:44.151 - [MMOUI Manager - World of Warcraft] Skipping AddOn at 'C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_BattlefieldMinimap': TOC file does not exist or cannot be read |
| 04:16.00 | Shirik|Ecole | Shall I change that to "TOC file weighs less than a duck"? |
| 04:16.19 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, random quote from that bit |
| 04:16.30 | ZorbaBeta | "TOC file floats in water" |
| 04:16.39 | ZorbaBeta | "TOC file may be made from churches" |
| 04:16.44 | tekkub | "TOC file not found, please talk to the hand.: |
| 04:16.45 | Seerah | ahh... but what *else* floats in water? |
| 04:16.53 | Shirik|Ecole | wood? |
| 04:16.53 | ZorbaBeta | (this should probably not actually be done :P) |
| 04:16.55 | ZorbaBeta | seerah, very small rocks! |
| 04:17.07 | Seerah | lead |
| 04:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | irl lol @ "TOC file floats in water" |
| 04:17.33 | airtonix | i would also like paraphrases from the prince in the castle skit |
| 04:17.42 | ScytheBlade1 | If I ever findmyself managing a software product |
| 04:17.45 | airtonix | so he stays byt he door while i ... |
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| 04:17.54 | tekkub | "Contents of TOC file may be illegal in the continental 48 states, cannot continue" |
| 04:17.58 | Thunder_Child | screw you win 7 |
| 04:18.00 | ZorbaBeta | TOC file has huge tracts of land |
| 04:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to hire someone to do nothing other than create entertaining error messages |
| 04:18.07 | Seerah | rofl |
| 04:18.19 | Torhal | TOC file must get to the back of the line. |
| 04:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: I hope you're logging these |
| 04:18.30 | tekkub | I like my simple error message on my 404 page |
| 04:18.34 | tekkub | :Aw, shit" |
| 04:18.38 | Shirik|Ecole | ScytheBlade1: I log everything :) |
| 04:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ecole: I expect to see a minimum of half of them in the final product |
| 04:18.46 | ZorbaBeta | tekkub, that's almost poetic |
| 04:18.57 | tekkub | isn't though? |
| 04:19.01 | tekkub | best part... |
| 04:19.04 | Shirik|Ecole | tekkub: I have a page on my web server, "NonExistenShit.php" |
| 04:19.18 | tekkub | "Though the author's site seems to have questionable words" |
| 04:19.27 | Shirik|Ecole | Apparently there's some bot that goes around looking for pages, but it checks "NonExistenShit.php" first to see what a 404 looks like |
| 04:19.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, not t? |
| 04:19.33 | Thunder_Child | no* |
| 04:19.35 | Shirik|Ecole | no t :) |
| 04:19.42 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 04:19.47 | airtonix | oh wait have you guys seen the error javascript thingo modeled on the robot from "hitchikers guide to the galaxy" ? |
| 04:19.48 | Shirik|Ecole | so I decided to screw with it |
| 04:20.03 | tekkub | airtonix: you mean the Kindle 2? |
| 04:20.20 | tekkub | I want one JUST so I can stick "DON'T PANIC" on the back |
| 04:20.40 | airtonix | im not sure what the name of it is, but that doesnt sound like the robots name....the one with a huge head and a depressed attitude |
| 04:20.50 | Shirik|Ecole | airtonix: Marvin? |
| 04:20.51 | Seerah | Marvin |
| 04:20.55 | tekkub | airtonix fails, someone ban him |
| 04:20.59 | airtonix | lulz |
| 04:21.06 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.49 | Wobin | TOC Contents May Have Settled In Transit |
| 04:22.14 | Shirik|Ecole | TOC file is sold by weight, not by volume? |
| 04:23.26 | Wobin | http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/humor/marvin-the-server-404.html |
| 04:23.35 | Seerah | Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a barber! |
| 04:23.43 | Shirik|Ecole | .co.us? |
| 04:23.43 | Seerah | hubby says "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that." |
| 04:23.57 | Shirik|Ecole | !!! |
| 04:24.04 | Shirik|Ecole | I could have the SecurityManager throw that exception |
| 04:24.10 | Shirik|Ecole | whenever a module does something it's not allowed to do |
| 04:24.18 | tekkub | airtonix: http://xkcd.com/548/ |
| 04:24.40 | airtonix | here : http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/humor/marvin-the-server-404.html |
| 04:24.42 | Shirik|Ecole | throw new SecurityException("I can't let you do that, " + moduleName) |
| 04:26.21 | Shirik|Ecole | that is so awesome airtonix |
| 04:26.22 | Wobin | slow airtonix is slow =) |
| 04:26.43 | airtonix | ugh |
| 04:26.47 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.34 | Shirik|Ecole | or Wobin |
| 04:27.36 | Thunder_Child | what the name of the animated wrestler guy? had a bit where he would read emails that people sent in |
| 04:27.44 | Wobin | Strongbad |
| 04:27.46 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 04:28.36 | Thunder_Child | awww..he used to have a much better 404 http://www.homestarrunner.com/404 |
| 04:29.09 | Thunder_Child | ah, here it is http://www.homestarrunner.com/systemisdown.html |
| 04:29.40 | Wobin | joins the Marvin Depreciation Society |
| 04:31.05 | Ackis | 1 more group to get done for the argent tourney then I shall be Crusader Ackis |
| 04:32.12 | airtonix | i wanted the axe for my tank and made mistake of championing a 2nd city before i had 30 marks |
| 04:32.42 | Ackis | those marks are different I thought? |
| 04:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | why would that make a difference? |
| 04:33.04 | airtonix | so the city guys never give champions? |
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| 04:34.16 | Ackis | i hope there's a loud shout when I become crusader ackis!!! |
| 04:34.20 | ReAn` | there a / command to leave a group? |
| 04:34.34 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.42 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.45 | Ackis | I think /camp works |
| 04:34.46 | Seerah | or /quit |
| 04:34.59 | NightHawkTheSane | er LeaveParty() |
| 04:34.59 | Seerah | not to be confused with /gquit |
| 04:35.07 | Iriel | or /p god, the group leader is a retard |
| 04:35.14 | Shirik|Ecole | I just do /script LeaveParty() |
| 04:35.46 | Shirik|Ecole | Seerah: Fun story |
| 04:35.52 | mhoy06 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.53 | Shirik|Ecole | one of guild's officers wanted to leave my arena team |
| 04:35.57 | Shirik|Ecole | he asks me how to leave |
| 04:36.02 | Shirik|Ecole | I tell him /gquit 3v3 |
| 04:36.03 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 04:36.03 | Shirik|Ecole | instant fun |
| 04:37.15 | ReAn` | best trick was in AV to go "/say If /gquit and /afk are both on a boat, and /gquit get's hit by lightning, who's still standing?" |
| 04:37.24 | ReAn` | about 10 people "left" every game |
| 04:37.27 | ReAn` | was funny as hell |
| 04:37.31 | Shirik|Ecole | I think the best trick I've ever seen |
| 04:37.36 | ReAn` | until one day some guy goes: |
| 04:37.43 | ReAn` | "Hey... you just made me leave my guild!" |
| 04:37.46 | Shirik|Ecole | "You have been reported as AFK. Please type /afk clear' |
| 04:38.10 | Shirik|Ecole | "You have been reported as AFK. Please type '/afk clear' to begin generating honor again" |
| 04:38.10 | Shirik|Ecole | or something like that |
| 04:39.03 | Ackis | but you always get that one person who does the right thing and warns everyone ;( |
| 04:39.13 | Shirik|Ecole | I just don't try :) |
| 04:39.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not meanie :P |
| 04:39.30 | Ackis | lies |
| 04:39.36 | Ackis | you made me cry by mocking my code! |
| 04:39.56 | straterra | that seems the kind of think blizzard would get their panties in a knot over |
| 04:40.00 | straterra | tricking people in to afk |
| 04:40.09 | straterra | thing* |
| 04:40.18 | Thunder_Child | win 7 is decidedly sexy but the fact is that i wish microsoft could make an OS upgrade that actually works |
| 04:40.40 | straterra | i like vista over it |
| 04:40.45 | Thunder_Child | even through all the crap that i put my os through |
| 04:40.48 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: never had an issue with OS upgrades... 98SE -> ME -> XP without an issue |
| 04:40.52 | straterra | i just did a upgrade..and I'm not impressed |
| 04:41.03 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, i just tried vista _. win 7 |
| 04:41.08 | Thunder_Child | ->* |
| 04:41.09 | Thunder_Child | no joy |
| 04:41.12 | Thunder_Child | had to wipe |
| 04:41.17 | straterra | i just did vista to win x rc |
| 04:41.23 | straterra | win 7 rc* |
| 04:41.30 | straterra | worked for me for 64 bit |
| 04:41.31 | Thunder_Child | didnt even work for me |
| 04:41.32 | airtonix | i had to turn aero off to get same performance as i get on ubuntu with compiz on |
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| 04:48.06 | Shirik|Ecole | Ackis: I wasn't mocking your code! |
| 04:48.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I only asked one stupid question :P |
| 04:48.12 | Ackis | lies! |
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| 04:48.26 | Shirik|Ecole | If you had done "a = 2; -- sets a to 2" then I would be mocking it |
| 04:50.06 | Iriel | Shirik|Ecole: Followed by if (a ~= 2) then error("a was not set to 2") end -- check a is really 2 |
| 04:51.27 | airtonix | el oh el |
| 04:52.10 | Torhal | Ackis: I may end up cursing your code, but I don't think I'd mock it. |
| 04:52.37 | airtonix | so wait, if a = 2 then ?? = 1 |
| 04:52.39 | Ackis | my code is perfect |
| 04:52.50 | Ackis | except for typos |
| 04:57.13 | Ackis | bah another crocs in the city w/o a croc!!!! argh |
| 04:58.09 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 04:58.10 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 04:58.12 | Zamoria | ha... just checked out xkcd after spending the last few nights watching firefly... |
| 04:59.01 | Shirik|Ecole | Zamoria: 1 a week this week :) |
| 04:59.05 | Shirik|Ecole | damn it |
| 04:59.06 | Shirik|Ecole | 1 a day |
| 05:00.33 | Shirik|Ecole | ahahahahahaha |
| 05:00.39 | Shirik|Ecole | what a horrible place for a fire departmenet |
| 05:00.57 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm on this train, and we go by a fire department. Fire engine has its lights flashing and all |
| 05:01.03 | Shirik|Ecole | and just sits there waiting for us to pass |
| 05:01.21 | Zamoria | fail department |
| 05:01.59 | kd3 | yay, finally |
| 05:02.04 | kd3 | my package has arrived in atlanta |
| 05:02.42 | Shirik|Ecole | cheers for kd3 |
| 05:02.54 | NightHawkTheSane | cheers for kd3's package |
| 05:03.11 | kd3 | c'mon new HDD... I want to stop running in degraded mode |
| 05:03.43 | AbsolutRayne | Is there a way to set the font size on Recount? |
| 05:03.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ..that reminds me,i need a new drive myself. Running out of space on my two media drives |
| 05:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: Row Height appears to control font size |
| 05:08.31 | AbsolutRayne | NightHawkTheSane: danke :) |
| 05:08.42 | AbsolutRayne | I need to get a Mount macro and bind it to Tilde again. |
| 05:09.05 | NightHawkTheSane | there's quite a few mount addons that are pretty intelligent. |
| 05:10.00 | AbsolutRayne | I just need one for Flying and Non Flying. My Chopper is the only thing I ride around on the ground with. My Red Drake in the air :P |
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| 05:10.46 | NightHawkTheSane | differentiating between the two is the pita part ;) |
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| 05:12.09 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah |
| 05:12.15 | AbsolutRayne | I remember the threads about it in BC |
| 05:12.21 | kd3 | still wants [flying] to work right in dalaran and wintergrasp |
| 05:13.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. :( |
| 05:15.43 | Antiarc | Welp |
| 05:15.45 | Antiarc | I'm doomed |
| 05:15.54 | Antiarc | My kid has me completely suckered |
| 05:15.56 | Antiarc | http://i41.tinypic.com/x4j85g.jpg |
| 05:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ... I think that may be lethal levels of adorableness. |
| 05:17.06 | Antiarc | hahah, holy shit, ckk |
| 05:17.11 | Antiarc | You're pirating Cart |
| 05:17.13 | Antiarc | FYI |
| 05:18.00 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 05:18.02 | Seerah | very cute, Antiarc :) |
| 05:22.34 | ckknight | Antiarc: 'tis true |
| 05:22.48 | Shirik|Ecole | Antiarc: What's he rolling? |
| 05:23.05 | Antiarc | I've been tempted to roll him a DK and let him mash the keys and see how far he gets |
| 05:23.16 | Shirik|Ecole | I expect him to get to at least 75 |
| 05:23.25 | Cairenn | Antiarc: he's adorable! |
| 05:23.25 | Shirik|Ecole | If not partially clearing naxx as a tank |
| 05:23.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: teach him to fish |
| 05:24.17 | Antiarc | Not a bad idea! |
| 05:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | a couple in my guild did that, their daughter (i think) -loves- to fish. |
| 05:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | they always have tons of fish feasts for raid :) |
| 05:25.02 | Antiarc | hah |
| 05:26.28 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 05:26.33 | Shirik|Ecole | I just found some neat little caveat of Java |
| 05:26.38 | Shirik|Ecole | one I'll never use, but found anway |
| 05:26.49 | Shirik|Ecole | "throw null;" is legal |
| 05:27.03 | Shirik|Ecole | However, "throw (Throwable)null;" is illegal unless you declare that you will throw a Throwable |
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| 05:43.09 | msou| | Morning lads |
| 05:44.24 | Nechckn | Hello! |
| 05:44.45 | AbsolutRayne | I thought I could Offset text with the new Pitbull4... |
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| 05:47.28 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 05:47.50 | Thunder_Child | stop failing AbsolutRayne! |
| 05:47.56 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: NO! |
| 05:48.23 | airtonix | i read the watchmen comic about a year ago and saw the movie the other day...enjoyed it |
| 05:48.41 | msou| | I heard it wasn't good |
| 05:48.48 | airtonix | have you read the comic? |
| 05:48.54 | Greywolf65 | anyone bored enough to help me find a bug in my addon code? |
| 05:49.08 | msou| | airtonix: I don't think I can find that in Finland |
| 05:49.38 | NightHawkTheSane | amazon will probably ship it anywhere |
| 05:49.40 | msou| | actually I should have reported a bug yesterday... with auctioneer |
| 05:49.57 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: I don't buy things online period. =) |
| 05:50.10 | airtonix | i was dissapointed with the wanted movie, comic was so much better |
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| 05:50.32 | msou| | wanted was all about shooting that wavey bullet |
| 05:50.41 | airtonix | which the comic was never about |
| 05:50.54 | Nechckn | Greywolf65 well, pastey what you have and what error you are seeing. |
| 05:51.21 | msou| | movies that I like are cassanda's dream, melinda & melinda, vicky something barcelona |
| 05:52.04 | msou| | I think when they make a movie based on comic most ppl get disappointed imho |
| 05:52.08 | Greywolf65 | There's no error... the problem is that it only works sporadically.. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113669 |
| 05:52.38 | msou| | I should have reported the bug I found in auctioneer |
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| 05:53.00 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* unless it's a particularly bad movie, the only disappointed people are the ones who expect verbatim recital of the source material |
| 05:53.16 | Greywolf65 | idk what the deal is. it should either work 100% of the time or 0% of the time heh |
| 05:53.50 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: don't get me wrong it's not my kind of movies.. batman and the like are exception of course |
| 05:54.31 | msou| | hulk was horrible, wanted you just said it, what else |
| 05:54.35 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* well if its not your style, yeah. but thats aside |
| 05:54.42 | msou| | hehe |
| 05:54.50 | NightHawkTheSane | aside the point* |
| 05:55.15 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: I barely watch tv, I read.. follow the news and movies from weekend to weekend |
| 05:56.00 | msou| | if it's back to me I'd watch once a month or so.. the misses forces me to watch a movie with her and I have to obey |
| 05:56.46 | msou| | because if not I'd wish a comet coming toward earth that take me on his way to bring me sweet relief "frank barone" |
| 05:57.39 | msou| | woody allen movies are 100% must watch to me |
| 05:57.40 | Arrowmaster | theres a wanted comic? |
| 05:59.04 | Nechckn | Greywolf65 nothing is jumping out at me, off hand |
| 05:59.40 | msou| | so... anyone else had similar problem with auctioneer addon? |
| 06:00.15 | Greywolf65 | hmmm thanks for looking |
| 06:01.01 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, what about main hand? |
| 06:01.25 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child You know my main hand is busy, silly. |
| 06:01.33 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, point |
| 06:01.35 | Thunder_Child | sadly |
| 06:01.41 | Nechckn | msou| what is the error? |
| 06:01.49 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child =) |
| 06:02.12 | msou| | Nechckn: I have it at home and I am at work, it does appear whenever you go to the stable. happened to me twice |
| 06:03.26 | Nechckn | Well, when you do get back, grab the error, by CTRL+C in the Swatter frame, then paste it on http://Norganna.Pastey.Net and then provide the URL here or in #Norganna |
| 06:03.44 | msou| | will do |
| 06:03.47 | Nechckn | There shouldn't be any errors right now... |
| 06:03.55 | Nechckn | Not any "known" things, anyway. |
| 06:03.59 | msou| | and I did copy it and saved it hehe |
| 06:04.23 | Nechckn | cool, cool.. sorry, some don't know what to do or how to get it "out of the game" =) |
| 06:04.24 | msou| | just forgot to come here and ask... was annoyed by the massive lag in dragonblight |
| 06:04.50 | msou| | was complaining about the lag here yesterday :/ |
| 06:05.03 | msou| | and forgot to mention the error.. |
| 06:05.24 | Nechckn | Some servers have been total crap since 3.1 |
| 06:05.35 | Nechckn | it's craziness |
| 06:05.50 | msou| | yeah |
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| 06:06.19 | msou| | so today is the weekly maintenance for us... I hope but hardly believe they'd go with 3.1.2 |
| 06:06.36 | Nechckn | Shirik maybe you can find something in Greywolf65's pastey... http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113669 ? |
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| 06:07.08 | Nechckn | Dreams are good to have, msou| ;-) |
| 06:08.02 | Nechckn | That said, it looks like they did "soemthing" to help the AHes, a tiny bit. At least things are a tiny bit more smooth than last night or the day before. |
| 06:08.24 | msou| | hehe that's what I said to my colegues "don't know how to spell it" I am hoping Finland wins against Canada and all of them said "impossible" me: please don't take hope away from me I am hoping we win =) |
| 06:08.30 | Nechckn | I've yet to get through all of my realms, so will need to reserve my ever so cool judgement. |
| 06:08.55 | Nechckn | Lol, nice |
| 06:08.59 | msou| | I've been playing over a month now.. I did hit lvl 72 yesterday |
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| 06:09.35 | msou| | I still don't know a lot of things.. armors, talents etc but learning hehe |
| 06:10.10 | Greywolf65 | I'm going to throw in some debugging messages to see if it's catching the events properly. |
| 06:10.20 | Nechckn | There is a pretty big learning curve... some folks tend to forget that once they've been playing for 3+ years. |
| 06:11.13 | msou| | oh yes... I do regret not playing it back then though =) was playing it for a day or two was it 2004 or 05 cannot remember took even a picture me playing |
| 06:11.14 | Nechckn | Greywolf65 that would be about the only thing that should make it intermittent like that.. since the log moves pretty fast when you are all smacking crap and it's smacking back, etc. |
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| 06:12.02 | Nechckn | msou| I like betas, for some bizarre reason, so I tend to play many games, just not for long. |
| 06:12.04 | msou| | my goal is to reach lvl 80... get the epic flying mount.. get my professions to max then probably get around to explore |
| 06:12.12 | msou| | ah |
| 06:12.31 | Nechckn | I played some WoW beta, in fact... gave it a while, then returned in like 1.7/8-ish time frame |
| 06:12.40 | msou| | o I see |
| 06:13.11 | Nechckn | Be sure to at least start 1 character of each race- the starting area content is pretty cool, imnsho |
| 06:13.21 | msou| | though when I played it that day I wasn't asking any questions.. I think I thought at the time there's only one fiction against mobs |
| 06:13.34 | Nechckn | Not that you have to play them far, just to get the back story and stuff is pretty cool. |
| 06:13.44 | msou| | yeah |
| 06:13.53 | msou| | my main was paladin now dk |
| 06:14.19 | msou| | l8r on, tauren druid, blood elf priest, undead mage |
| 06:14.30 | msou| | orcs are too ugly :/ |
| 06:14.46 | Nechckn | Be sure to play a few Alliance, too. Even if it's just to pick on them |
| 06:14.47 | Nechckn | ehehhe |
| 06:15.09 | msou| | yeah I played as a night elf till lvl 12 |
| 06:15.11 | Nechckn | I think orcs are sort of cute... some how. |
| 06:15.14 | msou| | dward too |
| 06:15.28 | msou| | well, I don't like their pinky armor or is it light purple |
| 06:15.30 | Nechckn | Ah, well, that is good. it sort of rounds out the experience. |
| 06:15.33 | msou| | at lvl 40-50 |
| 06:15.57 | msou| | never liked gnomes |
| 06:16.14 | msou| | too darn small... I mean imagine a gnome in sethekk halls for instance hehe |
| 06:16.33 | Nechckn | hahaha but they are so cute! I actually just started a gnome WAR. Simply to get up to Titan's Grip |
| 06:16.37 | msou| | or fighting against the dragon in dragonblight |
| 06:16.49 | Nechckn | So then I have this tiny dude with two two-handed weapons! |
| 06:16.57 | msou| | hehehe |
| 06:17.15 | msou| | the only mistake I did is start on a pvp server |
| 06:17.18 | Nechckn | playing a female gnome would have been just a tiny bit too cute for me |
| 06:17.20 | msou| | a full server too... |
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| 06:17.27 | msou| | hehe |
| 06:17.32 | Nechckn | Ohhh... yeah. It's not quite as bad as it used to be. |
| 06:18.09 | msou| | well, the thing I dislike about it is when you see higher level than you and he kills you/camp you |
| 06:18.10 | Nechckn | I was on PVEs, then went to PVP to play with a friend. It was before TBC, so there were always bored 60s hanging out culling the younglings |
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| 06:18.23 | msou| | or a lot of them sees you in the middle of a fight and they come from behind to kill you |
| 06:18.48 | msou| | I get that a lot.. I hate camping never done it nor will ever do it |
| 06:19.26 | msou| | that guy yesterday killed me when my health was less than a half in dragonblight... I got back killed him once... continued in the same area saw him again and killed him.. third time and killed him |
| 06:19.31 | msou| | I usually just pass by |
| 06:19.38 | msou| | but that dude pissed me off really |
| 06:20.00 | Nechckn | Yeah... I don't have a problem with those within a few levels taking me on, it's those who are way up there that come along and do it for the heck of it. That's my thought, at least. I know a lot of folks are like, that's just how it is, but it still does not make it fun when you are trying to level and not messing with their lowbie buddies. |
| 06:20.11 | msou| | honorable kill? sure just wait for me and the best sword may win! =) |
| 06:20.34 | msou| | yup |
| 06:20.45 | Nechckn | Hehheheh.. that is crazy. |
| 06:21.22 | msou| | I never killed a low level like I'm 70 and he's 50 or even 67 |
| 06:21.24 | msou| | just pass |
| 06:21.55 | Nechckn | Yep, that's what I do. I like BGs, because it's at least semi-matched up. |
| 06:21.57 | msou| | might move my char to a pve server later =) |
| 06:22.10 | msou| | ooh yeah planning on doing that by lvl 80 |
| 06:22.16 | msou| | to get all the goodies ;) |
| 06:22.34 | Nechckn | See.. I am still considering a move.. what happens the most is that I just don't play on there much. |
| 06:23.03 | Nechckn | Because, after a while, it's like... why bother? But, that is the price of greatness! |
| 06:23.14 | msou| | hehe |
| 06:23.17 | Nechckn | Something like that, anyway. |
| 06:23.37 | Nechckn | Okay.. off to toy with my gnome. Be sure to let us know about that error, once you get home. |
| 06:23.53 | Nechckn | someone will be happy to lend a paw =) |
| 06:24.16 | msou| | hehe, it's 9:20 am now.. will get on probably at 3pm my time |
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| 06:24.30 | msou| | will do it once I get on |
| 06:24.53 | msou| | once they get that weekly maintenace done anyway ;) |
| 06:25.06 | msou| | have fun with the gnome |
| 06:25.57 | msou| | bbiab |
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| 06:29.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Ecole, do you have any issues with FF and win7> |
| 06:29.41 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 06:37.24 | Pharaunmizz | At the risk of sounding obvious, you could try http://quality.mozilla.org/projects/windows-7-firefox-testing |
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| 06:51.46 | AbsolutRayne | http://i43.tinypic.com/23vco7s.jpg What do you guys think of the bottom layout? |
| 06:52.19 | AbsolutRayne | Still a major WIP |
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| 06:56.55 | Fisker- | it sucks |
| 06:56.56 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 06:57.37 | AbsolutRayne | Thanks. |
| 06:58.44 | Fisker- | np |
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| 07:07.41 | mhoy06 | Anyone know anything about BackupMacros() and RestoreMacros() ? |
| 07:07.53 | AbsolutRayne | goes back to slamming his head into his Keyboard |
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| 07:08.39 | Cairenn | slips a pillow in between the keyboard and AbsolutRayne's head before he gets a chance to slam it again |
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| 07:11.09 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: ;_; |
| 07:11.17 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 07:12.57 | Thunder_Child | well, shiretoko failes as well |
| 07:15.20 | AbsolutRayne | Im going to just lose it on my comp in a min |
| 07:15.31 | AbsolutRayne | Im tired of these bs crashes for no reason. |
| 07:16.07 | AbsolutRayne | Ive done countless Virus Scans, Malware, Ram tests, ive repaired WoW Twice, and ive even just tried no addons, and it randomly just crashes on me. |
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| 07:32.05 | Thunder_Child | why does FF not want to download any file? |
| 07:38.23 | msou| | on win7? |
| 07:38.42 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 07:39.10 | msou| | I can ask for oyu, I don't have a windows platform nor will ever have one =) |
| 07:39.20 | Thunder_Child | i tried shiretoko but that didnt work either :( |
| 07:40.12 | msou| | sec I'll ask for you and get back |
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| 07:46.49 | Syzgyn | Damn |
| 07:47.02 | Syzgyn | We just missed Hodir hard mode by 30 seconds with 9 people |
| 07:47.59 | msou| | Thunder_Child: guess it's too early for such a question got no response for you :/ |
| 07:48.10 | msou| | Syzgyn: what's hodir? dungeon? |
| 07:48.26 | Thunder_Child | msou|, in the day? or in the win7 testing? |
| 07:49.00 | msou| | Thunder_Child: in the day... none of the people I know are around |
| 07:49.20 | Thunder_Child | except us |
| 07:49.24 | msou| | someof them run win7 on their laptop they might have a suggestion/idea on whyyou cannot download that file |
| 07:49.38 | msou| | maybe your proxy, try to tunnel your traffic out or some such |
| 07:49.39 | Thunder_Child | not "that" file, ANY file |
| 07:49.50 | Thunder_Child | and i dont have a proxoy |
| 07:49.54 | Thunder_Child | proxy* |
| 07:50.08 | msou| | hmm |
| 07:50.25 | Thunder_Child | at least not one that has changed since vista |
| 07:51.15 | msou| | wget it for the time being then =) |
| 07:51.24 | Thunder_Child | you mean IE8 |
| 07:52.01 | msou| | hrm, I think you don't have a *nix box =) |
| 07:52.18 | Thunder_Child | only as a VM |
| 07:52.52 | msou| | can I paste the response that I got here? |
| 07:53.42 | Thunder_Child | msou|, sure |
| 07:53.48 | msou| | 01:51 <elmo_> no idea, I just got pissed off and used wget on a server instead |
| 07:53.48 | msou| | 01:51 <elmo_> tried downloading a file 3-4 times and it would just get a few kb |
| 07:53.48 | msou| | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.48 | msou| | 01:52 <elmo_> only thing I can think that would interfer with it is the virus |
| 07:53.51 | msou| | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.11 | Thunder_Child | i dont even have one installed yet |
| 07:54.55 | Fisker- | rages |
| 07:55.25 | msou| | probably a ff bug |
| 07:55.36 | msou| | Fisker-: you played MGS4? |
| 07:56.27 | tekkub | Muahahahahaha |
| 07:56.31 | tekkub | I love being evil |
| 07:56.44 | msou| | you killed low levels again? |
| 07:56.59 | tekkub | PallyPower, 4702 LoC (no libs), 19259 LoC total |
| 07:58.01 | tekkub | Cork, 1916 LoC (no libs), 2509 LoC total |
| 07:58.28 | tekkub | oh and, uh, Cork works for all buffs not just pally blessings |
| 08:00.25 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: does cork do syncing? |
| 08:00.37 | tekkub | there's no need for syncing |
| 08:00.49 | tekkub | it takes all of 10 seconds to decide blessings... |
| 08:01.04 | Thunder_Child | brb |
| 08:01.12 | tekkub | "I have imp might, I'll bless might/wis and judge wisdom, you grab kings and light" |
| 08:01.16 | tekkub | BAM done |
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| 08:05.52 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 08:05.53 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
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| 08:09.05 | Nechckn | nice, bleeter =) |
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| 08:10.01 | tekkub | beside, is 17k LoC to replace a moment of chatting *really* worth it? |
| 08:13.06 | Fisker- | channels hate |
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| 08:20.47 | Thunder_Child | $125 now huh |
| 08:21.39 | Fisker- | for wat? |
| 08:21.46 | Jamash | Blizzcon |
| 08:21.46 | Thunder_Child | blizzcon tix |
| 08:22.11 | Fisker- | oh |
| 08:22.17 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about europeans ;_; |
| 08:22.25 | msou| | thought you can watch it online for the very first time =) |
| 08:22.32 | msou| | though even |
| 08:22.43 | Fisker- | The very third time you mean msou| |
| 08:22.53 | Jamash | can't play diablo III online |
| 08:23.36 | Fisker- | I'm gonna enjoy having to F5 mmo-champion to get information |
| 08:23.48 | Fisker- | gj on Blizzard selling out to DTV |
| 08:23.50 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 08:23.57 | Thunder_Child | vs selling out to who? |
| 08:24.05 | Fisker- | noone |
| 08:24.15 | Thunder_Child | cant really see it as a sellout then |
| 08:24.27 | Fisker- | sure is |
| 08:24.51 | msou| | 3rd time |
| 08:24.52 | msou| | ? |
| 08:25.07 | Jamash | first time as a PPV internet stream |
| 08:25.07 | Fisker- | yes |
| 08:25.13 | Fisker- | naw Jamash |
| 08:25.16 | Fisker- | oh |
| 08:25.19 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 08:25.24 | Fisker- | First blizzcon = Free |
| 08:25.31 | Fisker- | Second blizzcon = Only tourney |
| 08:25.38 | Fisker- | Third Blizzcon = PPV |
| 08:25.41 | Fisker- | = Sellout |
| 08:25.55 | Jamash | more of a cash-in than a sell-out |
| 08:26.01 | Thunder_Child | i swaer i cam going to beat the shit out of adobe |
| 08:26.09 | Thunder_Child | s/cam/am/ |
| 08:26.12 | Thunder_Child | swear* |
| 08:26.14 | Fisker- | You should probably go look up the meaning of sellout Jamash |
| 08:26.40 | Jamash | nou Fisker- |
| 08:26.58 | Fisker- | nouy |
| 08:26.59 | Fisker- | nou* |
| 08:29.33 | bleeter | channels Fisker- |
| 08:29.35 | bleeter | hates |
| 08:29.40 | Fisker- | loves bleeter |
| 08:29.56 | bleeter | IS THERE A DR IN THE HOUSE?? |
| 08:30.15 | Thunder_Child | there is a DR in House..... |
| 08:30.22 | Thunder_Child | Dr.* |
| 08:30.23 | Fisker- | I'm a DuRRRRRRRRR |
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| 08:42.15 | Thunder_Child | heh "And both parties will also get the BlizzCon-exclusive World of Warcraft in-game item, horribly devaluing its aftermarket cost." |
| 08:44.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah the blizcon bear isnt really that rare compared to murky and the suit |
| 08:45.40 | Thunder_Child | not since the PPV thign |
| 08:45.43 | Thunder_Child | thing* |
| 08:46.14 | Arrowmaster | i have a blizcon bear and i didnt goto blizcon and i dont have DTV |
| 08:46.56 | Thunder_Child | giveaway? |
| 08:47.07 | Jamash | theft? |
| 08:47.22 | Thunder_Child | "...over the past few days, there's been a bit of chatter from financial types surrounding Apple taking over Electronic Arts." thats just scary. |
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| 08:47.31 | Arrowmaster | paid somebody that does have DTV to order it and give me the code |
| 08:47.48 | Thunder_Child | now you wont have to, you can stream it |
| 08:47.51 | Thunder_Child | get the same thing |
| 08:47.54 | Arrowmaster | i know! |
| 08:48.02 | Arrowmaster | and ill actually get to watch it this time! |
| 08:48.04 | durcyn | or it could just be investor asshats spewing false information in an attempt to game apple's stock price and make a quick buck, as usual, Thunder_Child :< |
| 08:48.33 | Arrowmaster | why would apple be interested in EA? |
| 08:48.39 | Thunder_Child | durcyn, could be, but it would be only aimed at fanbois |
| 08:48.41 | Arrowmaster | that just doesnt make any sense at all |
| 08:49.31 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: huh? it's aimed at whoever's buying and selling apple stock |
| 08:49.36 | Antiarc | http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5444XQ20090505 |
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| 08:51.56 | Thunder_Child | wow, the last paragraph for the blizzcon pressrelease is a serious hoot |
| 08:52.06 | Thunder_Child | press release* |
| 08:52.28 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: Apple bought that UK 3D gfx on a chip company for the nextgen iPhones, I can imagine they're looking around for an application house to drive the nexgen stuff. |
| 08:52.41 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: games company would be about the right ticket |
| 08:53.12 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, EA is one hell of a house just for that |
| 08:53.18 | Arrowmaster | EA is a publisher |
| 08:53.18 | bleeter | certainly if EA wanted to offload some arms in the current environment, I could imagine Apple may be interested |
| 08:53.29 | Arrowmaster | a shitty one at that too |
| 08:53.38 | Thunder_Child | and the biggest |
| 08:53.42 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: name me one who isn't, in their own way? |
| 08:53.51 | bleeter | 'every os sucks' = 'every game publisher sucks' |
| 08:53.59 | bleeter | ;) :P |
| 08:54.12 | Nechckn | But none of them suck as well as you, bleeter |
| 08:54.13 | Arrowmaster | no just EA and activison suck |
| 08:54.28 | bleeter | Nechckn: :( |
| 08:54.32 | Thunder_Child | westwood was good till they got bought out |
| 08:54.43 | bleeter | yeah they weren't too shabby |
| 08:54.47 | Nechckn | Oh... I wasn't supposed to tell anyone.. damn... sorry. |
| 08:57.19 | Nechckn | bleeter is stump trained. |
| 08:59.40 | Nechckn | damn... someone must have truth serum in my drink! |
| 09:03.43 | bleeter | wut |
| 09:03.49 | bleeter | THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER |
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| 09:05.51 | FatherJack | aww it's taken :( |
| 09:07.08 | Thunder_Child | fail FatherJackOff |
| 09:07.23 | FatherJack | I AM A HAPPY CAMPER |
| 09:19.40 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5240743/dont-tase-me-bro-automata-lets-you-relive-the-fun-over-and-over-again |
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| 09:21.15 | Jamash | that's bizarre |
| 09:22.51 | Jamash | Quick poll: does anyone here actually like seeing "You have learned <some ability>" spam in the chat log when leveling up or swapping talents? |
| 09:23.30 | Nechckn | I actually do, Jamash |
| 09:23.43 | Nechckn | it's one of those silly reinforcement things. |
| 09:24.00 | Jamash | I'm adding a filter for it to Learning Aid and I'm trying to decide whether the filter should be on or off by default. |
| 09:26.19 | Nechckn | In general, we have found that any thing that people are used to that suddently disappears causes a lot of support requests. Unless you feel really strongly about it, I'd suggest leaving it off. But, up to you. =) |
| 09:26.22 | Thunder_Child | Jamash, hell no |
| 09:26.51 | Thunder_Child | ok, VLC 0.9.9 is complete fail imo |
| 09:26.53 | Jamash | yeah I guess I'll leave it off by default |
| 09:27.33 | Fisker- | harasses durcyn |
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| 09:28.09 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: I say put it on by default, and put a message in its place |
| 09:28.21 | jnwhiteh | "Detected a talent spec change, hiding spell learned spam" |
| 09:28.30 | Jamash | That's not a bad idea. |
| 09:28.31 | jnwhiteh | or |
| 09:28.45 | jnwhiteh | "unlearned 5 spells, learned 20 new spells due to talent swap" |
| 09:29.03 | jnwhiteh | that is bette rimo |
| 09:29.19 | Jamash | I like that. |
| 09:29.49 | jnwhiteh | then its clear that stuff is being hidden, so they know how to re-enable it |
| 09:29.55 | jnwhiteh | and those who want reinforcement can get it |
| 09:29.56 | Jamash | yeah |
| 09:30.11 | jnwhiteh | just start a timer after ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED |
| 09:30.21 | jnwhiteh | and suppress all messages for 1.0 seconds or so |
| 09:30.27 | jnwhiteh | or restart the timer each time you get a message :P |
| 09:30.34 | jnwhiteh | you get the idea =) |
| 09:30.41 | Jamash | nah, don't need timers, I already have logic to detect when talent swaps start and end |
| 09:31.04 | jnwhiteh | ah cool :P |
| 09:31.06 | jnwhiteh | then you're set |
| 09:31.12 | jnwhiteh | you know more than i do about that , for sure =) |
| 09:31.21 | Jamash | more than I'd like to :P |
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| 09:38.57 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:39.05 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 09:39.16 | Fisker- | you can't stop me |
| 09:39.24 | jnwhiteh | i don't want to |
| 09:39.24 | jnwhiteh | it turns me on |
| 09:39.26 | jnwhiteh | >.> |
| 09:39.27 | jnwhiteh | <.< |
| 09:39.37 | Industrial | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large Fisker- |
| 09:39.48 | jnwhiteh | *moan* |
| 09:40.02 | Industrial | Fisker-: go for it |
| 09:40.21 | Jamash | Learned 18 spells due to talent swap? hmm, it seems to be counting individual ranks. |
| 09:40.42 | ReAn` | alright ui gurus, im lookin for a mod to switch my action bars when my target comes into melee range |
| 09:40.48 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: 18 "spell ranks" |
| 09:41.26 | ReAn` | i know mods out there used to do it |
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| 09:41.26 | ReAn` | was it disabled by a patch? |
| 09:41.26 | Thunder_Child | all ranks are posted iirc |
| 09:43.35 | L1-A | yeah 3.1's a bit spammy, spell respecs and emblems |
| 09:44.09 | jnwhiteh | ReAn`: Do we have a macro conditional for melee range? |
| 09:44.36 | Jamash | there is no conditional support for melee/range in wow, I believe the request was specifically turned down |
| 09:44.36 | ReAn` | so paging can only be done on macro conditionals now? |
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| 09:45.00 | jnwhiteh | not really, but essentially.. yes. |
| 09:45.10 | jnwhiteh | if they don't give us a macro conditional.. the functionality won't be available elsewhere. |
| 09:46.01 | ReAn` | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChangeActionBarPage ?? |
| 09:46.13 | jnwhiteh | protected during combat |
| 09:46.15 | jnwhiteh | as everything else |
| 09:46.41 | ReAn` | lamesauce |
| 09:46.51 | jnwhiteh | "Smart players not smart buttons" |
| 09:48.05 | Jamash | you know if I'd thought of parsing the system spell learned message using the patterns in GlobalStrings.lua instead of caching and diffing the entire spellbook, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble. |
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| 09:51.49 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 09:51.50 | jnwhiteh | you'd need to deformat it |
| 09:51.55 | jnwhiteh | but that's not hard |
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| 09:57.42 | Jamash | it's actually quite easy |
| 09:58.05 | Jamash | local learnSpellPattern = string.gsub(ERR_LEARN_SPELL_S, "%%s", "(.+)") |
| 10:01.58 | jnwhiteh | you can't assume that |
| 10:02.10 | jnwhiteh | de-formatting is more complex than that |
| 10:02.28 | jnwhiteh | it needs to be done dynamically, and with string selectors for localization |
| 10:03.29 | Jamash | I'm using the format string that the client uses to generate the text to match the text. |
| 10:03.35 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 10:03.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm just saying it works in this specific case |
| 10:03.43 | jnwhiteh | but in general you can't assume it will |
| 10:03.50 | jnwhiteh | that's why ckknight and other people have written libs for it |
| 10:04.10 | jnwhiteh | other format strings with more than one argument change the order of the arguments around |
| 10:04.15 | jnwhiteh | so you can't just do a straight gsub and then recapture |
| 10:04.21 | jnwhiteh | you need to take that into account |
| 10:04.37 | Jamash | oh, yeah, I'm just talking about this case where there's only one capture |
| 10:04.46 | jnwhiteh | then you're fine :P |
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| 10:30.37 | Jamash | I just found a funny bug with the objectives tracker: You can right-click on its header even when it's suppose to be non-interactive. |
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| 10:45.31 | bleeter | Nechckn: something's wrong |
| 10:45.36 | bleeter | this website says I'm your friend |
| 10:46.04 | Grum | the interwaps never lies |
| 10:58.06 | msou| | Anyone around so I can report that bug |
| 10:58.15 | msou| | I cannot remember the link that Nechckn told me about to paste the error |
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| 11:24.37 | Tenchworks | msou|: [02:03:29 AM] <+Nechckn> Well, when you do get back, grab the error, by CTRL+C in the Swatter frame, then paste it on http://Norganna.Pastey.Net and then provide the URL here or in #Norganna |
| 11:26.25 | Tenchworks | msou|: hope that's what you where looking for |
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| 11:40.42 | zenzio | nice sentence from Wikipedia's .aspx entry: "User can also build Custom Controls for Asp.Net application. Where controls are in compiled DLL file. And by using Register directive user can use control from DLL. hmmm" |
| 11:42.59 | theorbtwo | The 'hmmm' is actually on the WP entry? |
| 11:43.41 | zenzio | yes |
| 11:43.59 | theorbtwo | OK then. |
| 11:43.59 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.aspx (under "User controls", slightly down the page |
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| 11:54.18 | haste | so... what's a lightweight MSN client? |
| 11:54.27 | haste | if it can do messages and avatars then I'm pleased :p |
| 11:54.30 | haste | for windows! |
| 11:55.38 | zenzio | I used Pidgin on Windows, but there may be other light(er) alternatives |
| 11:57.02 | haste | it can't do much worse then the default client I guess |
| 11:57.42 | zenzio | I find Pidgin light enough, but it still uses Gtk on Windows I believe, so I wasn't sure if it met your target lightness |
| 11:57.54 | zenzio | I know there are other MSN clients, but haven't tried any, so I can't speak for them |
| 11:58.17 | haste | well, I run it on a 700MHz laptop with 128M memory |
| 11:58.37 | haste | but the default one is a real hug, even beats my browser when it comes to default browsing |
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| 11:59.19 | haste | the GTK lib isn't exactly large either afaik |
| 11:59.54 | zenzio | probably. I just didn't want to make any claims that I couldn't explain ;) |
| 12:00.32 | zenzio | but like you say, the official MSN client is just horribly bloated and slow |
| 12:00.44 | haste | yeh, it uses 75M memory atm |
| 12:00.46 | haste | with one window up |
| 12:00.56 | haste | which is quite the hit when you only have 128M :YP |
| 12:01.04 | Wobin | I like Digsby |
| 12:02.18 | zenzio | hm, Digsby looks all right |
| 12:02.31 | Wobin | however, it's hitting 40M memory with a couple of windows up |
| 12:02.31 | zenzio | does it let you group contacts like Pidgin do? |
| 12:02.32 | haste | Thanks, I'll take a look at it :) |
| 12:02.39 | haste | oh :p |
| 12:02.46 | Wobin | It's worth a try though |
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| 12:02.51 | haste | guess I'll compare it with pidgin |
| 12:02.57 | Wobin | integrates a lot of other stuff, like social networking |
| 12:03.04 | Wobin | if you switch that off, it probablys saves a lot |
| 12:04.05 | Wobin | zenzio: absolutely |
| 12:04.26 | Wobin | I like it cause it keeps a track of my gmail accounts, facebook and twitter |
| 12:05.04 | zenzio | Wobin: maybe I'll give it a try. Though e-mail and social networking is generally something I prefer to keep separate, you never know |
| 12:05.46 | Taroven | Digsby really screwed with my mouse when playing wow... |
| 12:05.50 | Wobin | oh yes |
| 12:05.52 | Wobin | it does that |
| 12:05.56 | Wobin | well not mouse per se |
| 12:05.57 | zenzio | oh? How come? |
| 12:06.00 | Wobin | but window control |
| 12:06.17 | Wobin | it takes a little effort to load the windows |
| 12:06.18 | Taroven | Was like flicking a trackball halfway across the room whenever I swapped to a chat window |
| 12:06.32 | Wobin | so for me, I lose window control while it loads up |
| 12:06.42 | Taroven | same |
| 12:06.44 | Wobin | hm, I should set it to load in the background, maybe |
| 12:07.06 | Wobin | turns off "New conversation windows automatically take focus" |
| 12:07.08 | Taroven | Don't mind the focus thing, but the proggy makes wow unplayable for me. |
| 12:07.18 | Wobin | lets see how that goes |
| 12:07.30 | Taroven | wanders back off. |
| 12:07.31 | Wobin | PS, how can you play with a trackball? O.O |
| 12:07.34 | zenzio | Wobin: you could also try giving the process a lower priority |
| 12:07.42 | Taroven | Used to, don't anymore. =P |
| 12:07.50 | Wobin | zenzio: true that |
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| 12:08.27 | Taroven | It's really not hard with the older logitech one that you can hardly find anymore |
| 12:08.39 | Taroven | really wanders back off. |
| 12:08.50 | Wobin | bets Taroven hasn't wandered anywhere =P |
| 12:09.12 | Taroven | is still finishing a morning smoke... |
| 12:09.39 | Taroven | will really really wander somewhere in approximately 20 seconds. =P |
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| 12:11.12 | bleeter | Wobin: oh, I got a joke for you |
| 12:11.15 | bleeter | Mick Keelty |
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| 12:12.04 | Taroven | grumbles something obscene about mornings and crawls towards the laundry room. |
| 12:13.19 | bleeter | Wobin: more seriously, I wonder if it was the catholic connections and a certain blimp in st peters square that really ended it for keelty |
| 12:14.27 | Wobin | as if they could stop the Chaser |
| 12:14.35 | Wobin | (without resorting to locking them up) |
| 12:14.59 | bleeter | Wobin: I laughed at Fischer |
| 12:15.22 | Wobin | how could you get that wrong? |
| 12:15.38 | bleeter | by being the former leader of teh nats? |
| 12:15.44 | bleeter | shrugs |
| 12:16.06 | Wobin | He said they knew where they were flying the blimp, but conceded it was hard to handle and may have needed L plates. |
| 12:17.02 | bleeter | i'm eager to see the seppo footage |
| 12:17.11 | Wobin | s'true |
| 12:17.59 | Wobin | especially what they would have written on the side of said blimp |
| 12:18.12 | bleeter | some store called special forces to arrest them 'coz they wanted to try-before-buy a lavatory FAIL |
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| 12:18.36 | Wobin | didn't Jackass try that? |
| 12:19.31 | bleeter | shrugs |
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| 12:57.25 | airtonix | wtb lulz |
| 13:01.21 | jnwhiteh | AddonLoader support for LightHeaded: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7017#cmnt153487 |
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| 13:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | Holy sweet jeebus pickles I am sick and tired of the WM trolling on the UI forum. |
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| 13:11.09 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:11.10 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is really not in the mood for forum trolls, nope nope. Must barbeque them goodly. |
| 13:11.21 | alestane | Oh dear. |
| 13:12.12 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR. |
| 13:13.13 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.15 | airtonix | w |
| 13:13.16 | airtonix | fail |
| 13:13.22 | airtonix | T_T |
| 13:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | WTB a serious cleaning of the forums, like General sometimes gets. Lockin' ze threads, NOT moving them to the UI forum where they can continue. *sigh* |
| 13:14.08 | Lopeppeppy | (where the B = bribe in any way humanly possible) |
| 13:14.43 | Shirik | ok |
| 13:14.50 | Shirik | looking at a warning on the side of the train |
| 13:14.54 | Shirik | it says "Do Not Hump" |
| 13:15.02 | Shirik | any ideas what that means? |
| 13:15.10 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 13:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | Are you SURE that doesn't say JUMP ? |
| 13:15.24 | amro | if you wanna have fun, do it where you won't derail a train. |
| 13:15.26 | Shirik | I've looked at it on several cars |
| 13:15.26 | alestane | "I didn't look it under the wheels." |
| 13:15.35 | Shirik | it does in fact say "Do Not Hump" |
| 13:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | That's scary, Shirik, because I only know one meaning for hump, and I would not do it to a train. |
| 13:15.55 | Shirik | :P |
| 13:16.18 | alestane | Unless it refers to heaving your luggage aboard, which can actually be a meaning of tat word. |
| 13:16.25 | jnwhiteh | WELL CLEARY BLIZARD MUST STEP IN BECUASE THIS IS A SLAP IN THE FAEC |
| 13:17.23 | alestane | What's the bitch du jour? |
| 13:17.25 | Wobin | shit slapping? |
| 13:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | Stupid friggin people trying to say that Curse and WoWI are changing the licenses on addons without author permission. |
| 13:18.57 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: Would you do it to a train, would you do it to a plane? On a bus? With no fuss? Lope Lope Pep I am? |
| 13:19.04 | alestane | Oh, that thread. I saw it start last night. |
| 13:19.06 | Lopeppeppy | Or that authors are being pressured to change licensese. |
| 13:19.29 | Lopeppeppy | Or any other rampant friggin' stupidity that makes me want to take a razor blade to the soles of their feet and invite them to dance in my bath tub full of lemon juice. |
| 13:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I would not could not, not this fox. |
| 13:19.40 | theorbtwo | Locking threads won't accomplish much, since anyone interested in the thread can just start a new one. |
| 13:19.52 | Lopeppeppy | If you start a new thread about a locked thread, you earn a forum ban. |
| 13:19.57 | Lopeppeppy | I'm excited for that to start happening! |
| 13:20.05 | theorbtwo | Oooh. Now *that* might help. |
| 13:20.13 | Lopeppeppy | Well, at least a short forum vacation, that will help tons. |
| 13:20.36 | alestane | The fucking AUTHOR comes forward and says he changed the license so that he would have the leverage to forbid WoWMatrix from hosting his addon, but NO, it's the big bad evil people. |
| 13:20.37 | theorbtwo | Especially since you can't evade by starting a new account, like you can on most fora. |
| 13:21.05 | Lopeppeppy | I really think that WM is sending people to the forums to keep this crap up, no troll can be that stupid on their own. |
| 13:22.23 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/258/ |
| 13:23.30 | alestane | People saw the BlizzCon Tix sale date announcement? |
| 13:23.47 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, no, please linkie! |
| 13:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/?rhtml=y |
| 13:24.08 | alestane | http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/090505.html |
| 13:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look at that, in the topic where any blind Peppy who isn't pissed off could have seen it. Durh. |
| 13:24.49 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple. OMG. |
| 13:25.10 | Kalroth | So emo! |
| 13:27.22 | Lopeppeppy | Angry Peppy is angry... I don't do well when I'm angry. Hulk smash. And stuff. |
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| 13:27.38 | Lothaer | morning |
| 13:27.59 | alestane | Maybe I should try posting in that thread too, and seeing if it gets stealth-locked. |
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| 13:28.18 | alestane | If so, I must swear to use my powers only for peaceful purposes. |
| 13:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | I already did post, alestane, encouraging people to let it die. |
| 13:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | Do not resurrect the dead horse. |
| 13:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | Unless they ignored my plea, of course. |
| 13:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | Then you should bite them. |
| 13:29.33 | alestane | Haven't gotten to the forums yet. |
| 13:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | See dino bite sheeple. See blood fountain. |
| 13:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Bite dino, bite! |
| 13:29.53 | Lothaer | ok really nub question here but is there a way i can get mIRC to remember my nick password so i dont have to enter it each time i open mIRC? |
| 13:30.29 | airtonix | you're right! |
| 13:31.12 | jnwhiteh | Lothaer: specify it as the server password |
| 13:31.16 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:31.20 | Wobin | "I'm part of the floor now" |
| 13:33.19 | msou| | ok |
| 13:33.36 | Adys | Wobin: im part of your mom now |
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| 13:33.56 | Wobin | wow, I never knew my Mom was like Voltron |
| 13:33.59 | Wobin | That's just cool |
| 13:34.10 | msou| | anyone involved with auctioneer addon? |
| 13:34.36 | msou| | involve |
| 13:34.45 | Adys | involved |
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| 13:35.34 | msou| | Nechckn: seems to be away |
| 13:35.46 | msou| | and I don't know of any other one that is around atm |
| 13:37.07 | msou| | bbiab |
| 13:43.46 | airtonix | bbiab = be back in around [insert timeframe starting with B] ? |
| 13:44.23 | amro | "be back in a bit". fairly useless on irc |
| 13:44.26 | airtonix | Bulgarian Bugal Infusion Alchemist Band? |
| 13:45.17 | Wobin | why useless? |
| 13:46.26 | airtonix | bedtime berift in another basement |
| 13:46.41 | airtonix | going to sleep now |
| 13:48.16 | theorbtwo | G'night, airtonix. |
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| 13:54.34 | alestane | "Violations of the GPL license are to be brought to the owner of the copyrighted material so that they may assert their legal rights. It would seem that you are suggesting that Ckknight sue himself for violation of the GPL." |
| 13:54.49 | Adys | he should |
| 13:54.57 | ckknight | I's a pirate |
| 13:55.04 | ckknight | I'm pirating from myself |
| 13:55.13 | Adys | you jerk, you! |
| 13:56.38 | Wobin | alestane with the dino from high =) |
| 13:56.41 | nicoli_s | give us back the cartogrepaher that you both gave and stole from us! |
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| 13:57.10 | Lothaer | anyone here seen the new mod called ArtPad its freaking awesome :D |
| 13:57.17 | Wobin | link? |
| 13:57.34 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8162-ArtPad.html |
| 13:57.45 | Lothaer | gonna make planning boss fight alot easier |
| 13:58.25 | Lothaer | imo most people will just use it to draw penis's though :D |
| 13:58.44 | Wobin | hehe looks cool |
| 13:58.47 | Wobin | but yes |
| 13:58.48 | Wobin | penis |
| 13:58.57 | Lothaer | :D |
| 13:59.23 | Lothaer | im surprised someone *cough*ckknight*cough* didnt do this along time ago |
| 13:59.38 | Wobin | There was |
| 13:59.46 | Wobin | I vaugely recall a "whiteboard" app ages ago |
| 13:59.47 | krka | alestane: where is that quote from? |
| 13:59.54 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904294022&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 13:59.56 | nicoli_s | but if ck did it hed never get any work done, he'd just be doodling on mobs |
| 14:00.25 | alestane | krka: From the thread claiming that Curse is stripping GPLs off of mods to prevent WoWMatrix from hosting them. |
| 14:01.23 | Wobin | Captain Hammerpants! |
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| 14:02.42 | nicoli_s | that one is as bad as the one attacking ck for changing his license |
| 14:03.09 | nicoli_s | and acting like blizzard shouldbe concerned because they " knowingly permit pirated software to operate inside their game" |
| 14:03.21 | Wobin | it's the same thread |
| 14:03.22 | Wobin | isn't it? |
| 14:03.40 | nicoli_s | oh yeah it is |
| 14:03.46 | nicoli_s | i just jumped to the third page this time |
| 14:04.03 | Wobin | oh god =( |
| 14:04.24 | Wobin | Someone just -mentions- Peter Gabriel's song Sledgehammer, and I get the tune stuck in my head |
| 14:05.37 | ckknight | Lothaer: I actually planned for something like that, never got around to it |
| 14:07.04 | nicoli_s | man this thread is sad |
| 14:07.13 | nicoli_s | the wm people just can not let this shit die |
| 14:07.47 | nicoli_s | but he does have a point, ck, you didnt get legally signed documents from each and every contributor to cartographer, im gonna take you to copyright jail |
| 14:08.38 | krka | if you're a contributor, you'd have somewhat of a case nicoli_s |
| 14:08.41 | krka | otherwise, not really :) |
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| 14:14.22 | alestane | Xinhuan: Is there an easy way to run the Routes code that optimizes a route from, say, a Lua command line outside WoW? |
| 14:16.37 | Xinhuan | never had that in mind |
| 14:17.15 | Xinhuan | but it should be easy to see that the function that optimizes it is fed some inputs |
| 14:17.17 | alestane | Just occurred to me that it might run faster if my computer wasn't also trying to run WoW. |
| 14:17.19 | Xinhuan | and returns a table output |
| 14:17.30 | Xinhuan | so you just need to mimic that call |
| 14:18.26 | Wobin | oh man alestane |
| 14:18.31 | Wobin | You totally killed that thread =( |
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| 14:20.42 | alestane | About time. |
| 14:21.25 | alestane | Xinhuan: Routes also seems to be having trouble keeping the route lines in the zone map. |
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| 14:21.46 | Xinhuan | hmm got an error? |
| 14:22.09 | Xinhuan | keep in mind the latest version on curse is 2 versions newer than the latest version on wowi |
| 14:22.39 | Xinhuan | we had a bunch of errors with texcoord out of range |
| 14:23.00 | alestane | That's what it's saying to me. |
| 14:23.05 | alestane | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113693 |
| 14:23.16 | alestane | Is that fixed now? I updated like last week or something. |
| 14:23.42 | Xinhuan | yeah, the latest version on curse should fix that error |
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| 14:24.10 | Xinhuan | we found that :SetTexCoord() now has a input limits between -10000 and 10000 |
| 14:24.18 | Xinhuan | for all 8 inputs |
| 14:24.42 | Xinhuan | rather annoying since the fix was really just to have 18 ifs |
| 14:24.49 | Xinhuan | that limits the inputs to within that range |
| 14:24.51 | Xinhuan | 16 ifs* |
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| 14:31.13 | End | mmoui minion? |
| 14:31.23 | p3lim | anyone know in which blizzard interface file the threat percentage in tooltips are made/run? |
| 14:31.24 | End | can I sacrifice it for epic buffs? |
| 14:32.13 | alestane | p3lim: Probably inside the :SetTooltip* calls. |
| 14:32.31 | alestane | "Sacrifice (Voidwalker) redesigned: Sacrifices a portion of the Voidwalker's health, giving its master a shield that will absorb X damage for 30 seconds. While the shield holds, spell casting will not be interrupted by damage. 1-minute cooldown." |
| 14:32.39 | alestane | Does NOT kill my blueberry? |
| 14:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Not kill the blueberry? |
| 14:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | NOT kill? |
| 14:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | Not KILL? |
| 14:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | faints. |
| 14:33.10 | Gnarfoz | sacrifices "a portion of the health" |
| 14:33.14 | Gnarfoz | vs. sacrifices itself |
| 14:33.17 | Gnarfoz | so yeah |
| 14:33.23 | p3lim | alestane: ive checked UnitFrame.lua and GameTooltip.lua |
| 14:33.27 | p3lim | not there |
| 14:33.41 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: he's saying.. its in the C call.. |
| 14:33.46 | End | oh yeah, I saw that |
| 14:33.47 | jnwhiteh | its generated during the :SetTooltip* call |
| 14:33.53 | End | I'm guessing they want VW to be more useful |
| 14:33.56 | alestane | p3lim: I'm pretty sure it happens in the C++ somewhere. |
| 14:33.58 | p3lim | hm.. |
| 14:34.11 | p3lim | id just like to see how they did the calculation |
| 14:34.21 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 14:34.22 | haste | x / 100 = zomg |
| 14:34.27 | jnwhiteh | its done with the threat situation API |
| 14:34.30 | jnwhiteh | just on the C side |
| 14:34.32 | jnwhiteh | nothing special |
| 14:34.33 | End | they really nerfed VW's health overmuch though...for some people he has less health than the player |
| 14:34.48 | alestane | What's the relationship between Blizz's threat numbers and the numbers used by Omen/KTM? |
| 14:35.04 | haste | the same aren't they? |
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| 14:35.27 | alestane | Once upon a time one was like, the other times 100, or something. |
| 14:35.28 | haste | I doubt they still try to calculate he threat manually |
| 14:36.06 | jnwhiteh | they have to do a bit of work still |
| 14:36.12 | p3lim | haste: yeah im just wondering about the threat api and such, guess ill drool at wowwiki for a while |
| 14:36.21 | jnwhiteh | since you don't get threat informatino about a mob if you're not on their threat list |
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| 14:36.53 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitDetailedThreatSituation |
| 14:37.06 | jnwhiteh | most of what you need is sitting right thre |
| 14:37.12 | p3lim | ooh nicely docmented even |
| 14:37.19 | jnwhiteh | as per usual |
| 14:37.51 | p3lim | most of the times ive been on wowprogramming.com the API im looking for is undocumented |
| 14:38.01 | jnwhiteh | we're in the process of a review.. |
| 14:38.08 | jnwhiteh | 3.X stuff was slow making it in there |
| 14:38.08 | p3lim | cool |
| 14:38.15 | jnwhiteh | regardless, you should check there |
| 14:38.21 | jnwhiteh | at least we display the existence of a functino |
| 14:38.23 | p3lim | like :IsSecure() |
| 14:38.28 | p3lim | no info what the 2nd return is |
| 14:38.33 | jnwhiteh | so document it |
| 14:38.36 | jnwhiteh | no one else has that info |
| 14:38.40 | jnwhiteh | how do you think it appears? :P |
| 14:38.40 | p3lim | i have no idea what it is : |
| 14:38.42 | p3lim | :P* |
| 14:38.44 | jnwhiteh | well then neither do we |
| 14:38.49 | jnwhiteh | but that's not OUR failing =) |
| 14:38.50 | p3lim | if i knew id write something |
| 14:38.57 | alestane | It's the tag of the corrupting code, isn't it? |
| 14:39.09 | jnwhiteh | alestane: i thought so, yes. |
| 14:39.16 | p3lim | i tested some stuff out |
| 14:39.27 | jnwhiteh | what ":IsSecure()"? |
| 14:39.36 | p3lim | yes |
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| 14:39.46 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 14:39.48 | jnwhiteh | what are you talking about |
| 14:39.50 | jnwhiteh | where/what is that? |
| 14:40.12 | p3lim | frame 1 is not secure, frame 2 is secure and parented to frame 1. Frame 1 returns '1, nil' and frame2 returns '1, 1' |
| 14:40.22 | jnwhiteh | frames don't have that method.. |
| 14:40.22 | p3lim | what it means I have no idea :p |
| 14:40.23 | jnwhiteh | so. |
| 14:40.27 | alestane | :IsProtected. |
| 14:40.27 | p3lim | ok, buttons |
| 14:40.30 | jnwhiteh | perhaps that's why I'm confused. |
| 14:40.45 | alestane | The second return is whether the protection is explicit or not. |
| 14:40.53 | p3lim | hm |
| 14:40.54 | jnwhiteh | thanks, i'll document that now. |
| 14:41.01 | p3lim | ^_^ |
| 14:41.09 | jnwhiteh | but it helps if you give me the right name |
| 14:41.11 | jnwhiteh | so I can look into it =) |
| 14:41.26 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: can only the admins edit the stuff on wowp? |
| 14:41.32 | jnwhiteh | anyone can edit the API pages |
| 14:43.04 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/IsProtected |
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| 14:44.45 | p3lim | good stuff |
| 14:45.53 | Lopeppeppy | blew stuff up. It was awesome. |
| 14:46.04 | alestane | ??? |
| 14:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, baby. |
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| 14:51.43 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:52.29 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
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| 14:57.16 | Etanol | mirning? |
| 14:57.22 | Etanol | dsdsak |
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| 15:34.46 | alestane | BORED. |
| 15:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | BORED BORED BORED! |
| 15:35.05 | msou| | well |
| 15:35.10 | Lopeppeppy | PS, and it's raining. Again. Still. |
| 15:35.20 | msou| | I've been trying to reach any auctioneer devs |
| 15:35.21 | Stanzilla | drunk drunk drunk! :< |
| 15:35.23 | msou| | none are around |
| 15:35.32 | alestane | Yep. Actually I need to go call my landlady and see if she's heard from the exterminator. |
| 15:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | msou|, I think you have better luck on #norganna for that, IIRC |
| 15:36.11 | msou| | none are around there too |
| 15:36.42 | Lopeppeppy | Well, must be they have Real Lives (tm) that aren't compatible with being online now. I think they have forums on their site as well. |
| 15:36.58 | msou| | Heh |
| 15:37.19 | Lopeppeppy | For sure. http://auctioneeraddon.com/ |
| 15:37.27 | msou| | O rly |
| 15:38.56 | msou| | Bbl |
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| 15:45.04 | Etanol | abpl |
| 15:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | qwerty |
| 15:46.30 | Zhinjio | g'morning, folks. |
| 15:46.35 | Lopeppeppy | heyo |
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| 15:52.45 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:53.02 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
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| 15:58.46 | alestane | Anyone know of anything else this could be, or is he just in denial? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904263141&sid=1 |
| 15:59.25 | Lopeppeppy | Delusional, or not giving all the information needed. |
| 16:01.19 | Lunessa | Delusional. |
| 16:01.35 | alestane | Glad we got that cleared up. |
| 16:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | 3 out of infinity users agree, delusional. |
| 16:03.14 | Zamoria | chuckles |
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| 16:18.26 | alestane | Zamoria: *snrk* |
| 16:21.41 | Lunessa | So - X-Men Origins: Wolverine was ok. Not fantastic, not great, but ok. |
| 16:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! |
| 16:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | covers her ears. |
| 16:22.00 | Lopeppeppy | No spoilers, I may still go! |
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| 16:23.38 | |Jelly| | Better than X2/3 by a long shot. |
| 16:25.07 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: I know I'm old fashioned and all |
| 16:25.15 | Shirik | but I'm pretty sure ears have little to do with IRC |
| 16:25.45 | |Jelly| | liez! |
| 16:26.02 | Wobin | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/arthur_ganson_makes_moving_sculpture.html |
| 16:26.05 | Wobin | very very cool |
| 16:26.10 | Wobin | I love the exploding chair |
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| 16:30.36 | Wobin | WatchFrame? |
| 16:31.54 | Lunessa | Thanks. /facepalm |
| 16:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=DC17690 |
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| 17:57.25 | Tenchworks | PURL IS BACK! |
| 17:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 17:57.26 | purl | Lopeppeppy: aw, gee |
| 17:57.26 | Zamoria | hugs purl |
| 17:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | She's still waking up, give her time (much lag!) |
| 17:57.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Teleportation! |
| 17:57.26 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.scientificblogging.com/geeks039_guide_world_domination/teleportation_using_einstenpodolskyrosen_entanglement |
| 17:57.26 | AbsolutRayne | So is there any stupid reason that the text on PitBull is never properly aligned? :/ |
| 17:57.26 | Wobin | Shirik: "Point is, the ppl at curse/WOWI do not employ good programmers, WM does and it shows." |
| 17:57.26 | Hirsute | ... |
| 17:57.26 | Wobin | you're being dissed on WoWInsider =P |
| 17:57.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: .. shit, you hear that? you'd better quit now, you not-good-programmer you. |
| 17:57.26 | Tenchworks | uhhh what? |
| 17:57.26 | Hirsute | anyone who uses "ppl" is not worth a response. |
| 17:58.00 | alestane | Yay! |
| 17:58.00 | Hirsute | unless ppl stands for purple penis lesions or some such. |
| 17:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
| 17:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | TMI again. |
| 17:58.00 | alestane | Um, still not worth a response IMO. |
| 17:58.32 | Hirsute | How about pregnant pachyderm legions? |
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| 17:58.45 | Hirsute | pompous, pissed-off loser? |
| 17:58.57 | NightHawkTheSane | pregnant pachyderm legions impregnated with purple penis lesions? |
| 17:59.08 | Dashkal | purl, have a cookie |
| 17:59.09 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 17:59.20 | Wobin | "Sadly I'm, like every other player, just another victim of this and unless I want to use 30-60 minutes every time I update my add ons I have to keep using Curse client" |
| 17:59.20 | Wobin | same poster =P |
| 17:59.32 | Wobin | OH THE HUMANITY |
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| 17:59.32 | Dashkal | "just another victim" |
| 17:59.43 | Hirsute | EVERY DAY? |
| 17:59.43 | Dashkal | chokes |
| 17:59.43 | Wobin | Why don't people LISTEN TO THE VICTIMS |
| 17:59.43 | Hirsute | People are retards. |
| 17:59.43 | NightHawkTheSane | That's what I don't get. |
| 17:59.56 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: WoWI doesn't hire me :) |
| 18:00.12 | Hirsute | I open up the updater when something is broken or when I know there's a feature coming that I'm waiting for. |
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| 18:00.20 | AbsolutRayne | http://i42.tinypic.com/5f17w6.jpg Case in point, the Health Text on the right frame sits lower for no reason. :/ |
| 18:00.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Even when I was updating manually from wowace/wowi, It never took me more than 20 minutes to update my addons. And I only did it once ever few days. |
| 18:00.24 | Shirik | I prefer to take the fallacious argument (A->B) -> (A' -> B') |
| 18:00.37 | Shirik | WoWI does not hire good programmers. I was not hired by WoWI. Therefore I am a good programmer. |
| 18:00.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: I know that, but i had to harass you about it ;) |
| 18:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | All the people complaining about how long it takes to manually update probably have never actually sat down to do it more than once. |
| 18:02.08 | Hirsute | If that. I'm amazed at the number of people who don't know how to extract a zip file. |
| 18:02.37 | Seerah | makes herself close the mmo article and not call the commenters and the article author idiots |
| 18:03.05 | NightHawkTheSane | and now, for something completely different: http://trollitc.com/2009/05/the-great-lollipop-apocalypse/ |
| 18:03.07 | Dashkal | comforts Serrah |
| 18:03.10 | Dashkal | It's for the best :p |
| 18:03.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ amusing read |
| 18:03.59 | Hirsute | Was it in here that the "Surface tension of cat" article was linked? |
| 18:04.11 | alestane | I think so, yes. |
| 18:04.18 | alestane | Feline liquid adhesion. |
| 18:04.23 | Hirsute | That was another article that was full of win. |
| 18:04.48 | Wobin | link? =) |
| 18:05.19 | alestane | In my logs somewhere. Right now I am grading papers. |
| 18:06.02 | kneeki | alestane, You're a teacher? |
| 18:06.10 | alestane | RIght now I am. |
| 18:06.11 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, give them all c's and get on with it :P |
| 18:06.20 | kneeki | alestane, I had no idea! What subject? |
| 18:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | http://mehtank.com/coeus/files/pdf/cat.pdf |
| 18:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ is that it? |
| 18:06.34 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: No, I actually have some attentive, dedicated students for a change. I need to reward this. |
| 18:06.35 | NightHawkTheSane | (warning, 2.9mb pdf) |
| 18:06.37 | Etanol | let's build a lua parser addon in lua |
| 18:06.50 | Etanol | then you could run addons recursively |
| 18:06.59 | Etanol | also, you could run the lua parser through the lua parser |
| 18:07.10 | Lopeppeppy | NTSH, that's it. |
| 18:07.18 | alestane | I'm pretty sure that's been done by someone, somewhere. |
| 18:07.49 | Lopeppeppy | If anyone considers themselves a facebook expert, I have a setting that is stumping me. PM me if you're willing to be helpful! :) |
| 18:07.52 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: Yes, that's it. |
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| 18:08.46 | msou| | ZorbaGama: you there? |
| 18:08.58 | msou| | I got an error with Questhelper |
| 18:09.04 | msou| | in |
| 18:09.45 | Thunder_Child | is it really so hard for a program to come with an uninstaller? |
| 18:11.01 | alestane | "The other two are the result of us visiting a shelter for the express purpose of not coming home with any more cats." They clearly didn't understand how that wokrks. |
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| 18:12.39 | NightHawkTheSane | "In hindsight, with two children in tow, this was a goal that had no basis in reality." :P |
| 18:12.49 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: imma gonna PM you but I won't be helpful :P |
| 18:13.08 | Thunder_Child | and thats different from usual how AckisWork? |
| 18:13.22 | Etanol | hahaha |
| 18:13.34 | Lopeppeppy | You may have an idea, who knows, Ackis? |
| 18:13.42 | AckisWork | i'm always helpful with Lopeppeppy... I help her find the any key all the time |
| 18:14.13 | Etanol | Ïkitty - Density of a kitten - 859 kg/m3 |
| 18:14.41 | Etanol | that's the most awesome fact i've ever seen |
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| 18:16.45 | Seerah | quick someone link me a bunny or kitty |
| 18:17.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: both! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/01/21/i-has-a-bunny/ |
| 18:17.31 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/i-has-a-bunny.jpg |
| 18:17.34 | Wobin | hehe |
| 18:17.39 | NightHawkTheSane | high fives Wobin |
| 18:17.40 | Seerah | hehe |
| 18:17.46 | Hirsute | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/i-has-a-bunny.jpg |
| 18:17.47 | msou| | Could somebody pass the link to zorbathut when he gets online or anyone who's involved in QH? |
| 18:17.48 | Hirsute | Ooooh |
| 18:17.49 | Seerah | I have that one in my kitty pictures folder for my screensaver :) |
| 18:17.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: too slow. :P |
| 18:17.59 | Hirsute | We all ended up at the same place. |
| 18:18.04 | Seerah | huggles NightHawkTheSane, Wobin, and Hirsute |
| 18:18.09 | Tenchworks | omg lol 3 links to the same thing |
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| 18:18.50 | Seerah | rofl - http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/05/05/funny-pictures-content-100-lolcat/ |
| 18:19.11 | msou| | bbl |
| 18:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ... that does NOT look comfortable. |
| 18:20.03 | Lopeppeppy | My cat gets into similar situations. They're just like that. |
| 18:22.43 | AckisWork | i had to make a tough decision regarding my cats last night |
| 18:22.54 | Seerah | ? |
| 18:23.02 | AckisWork | get them vaccinated for feline leukimia (sp?) which has a 1/1000 chance for terrible sideeffects :( |
| 18:23.02 | batbot | AckisWork, leukemia. |
| 18:23.16 | Wobin | wow batbot |
| 18:23.22 | Seerah | lol |
| 18:23.27 | AckisWork | batbot: out of my head! I know it's roomy in there! |
| 18:23.31 | Hirsute | That's... pretty cool. |
| 18:23.35 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 18:23.45 | Hirsute | pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (sp?) |
| 18:23.46 | batbot | Hirsute, nothing found. |
| 18:23.49 | Wobin | and completely sidetracked us from the original topic |
| 18:24.09 | Wobin | AckisWork: did you decide for it? |
| 18:24.10 | Hirsute | AckisWork: What's the chance of the cat getting leukemia? |
| 18:24.17 | AckisWork | Wobin: we went for it |
| 18:24.29 | Wobin | 1/1000 |
| 18:24.30 | AckisWork | Hirsute: we're becoming animal fosters so they'll be exposed to random critters |
| 18:24.35 | Wobin | oh side effects |
| 18:25.04 | Seerah | ohhh :( hehe http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/28/funny-pictures-mans-best-friend/ |
| 18:25.13 | Hirsute | AckisWork: Ah. That makes sense. |
| 18:25.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: that's awesome :) |
| 18:25.47 | AckisWork | Seerah: we want that, the problem is the dog is 6 pounds, the cats are all 10 pounds... |
| 18:25.59 | Seerah | lol |
| 18:26.12 | Seerah | is this your house now, AckisWork? http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/27/funny-pictures-whole-nuther-cat/ |
| 18:26.38 | AckisWork | rofl |
| 18:26.39 | AckisWork | almost |
| 18:26.54 | AckisWork | I pick off about 1/4th of a cat from my PC fans every 2 weeks |
| 18:26.57 | Fisker- | We plan to add the ability to merge a World of Warcraft account into a Battle.net account in Europe prior to the European phase of the StarCraft II beta, so that World of Warcraft players there will have a chance to participate <-i lol'd |
| 18:27.37 | Seerah | AckisWork: we probably have another dog or two on our carpets and along the walls... (and he's a big dog...) |
| 18:27.44 | Seerah | needs to vaccuum.... >.> <.< |
| 18:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | needs to vacuum too. |
| 18:28.25 | KarlKFI | also needs to vacuum |
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| 18:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone else want to have a vacuuming party tonight? |
| 18:29.22 | AckisWork | needs someone to vaccum for him... Seerah, Lopeppeppy, KarlKFI any volunteers? |
| 18:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | I need to pack tonight. :( |
| 18:29.47 | KarlKFI | ~vacuum AckisWork |
| 18:29.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and do dishes, and finish laundry, and go to the bank |
| 18:32.25 | AckisWork | NightHawkTheSane: or get a gf/wife to do them for you? |
| 18:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | alas, I've not had much luck in that regard. even if i did, I somehow doubt they'd be that willing to do my chores for me :P |
| 18:33.26 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I'm afraid I started early. |
| 18:33.27 | AckisWork | then get a maid! :P |
| 18:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | More likely, I'd just end up washing both our dishes and doing her laundry as well |
| 18:33.38 | AckisWork | oh NightHawkTheSane want to go out? ;) |
| 18:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 18:33.59 | AckisWork | my dishwasher is broken :( |
| 18:34.09 | AckisWork | had to take her to the hospital a few days ago... ahhahahahah |
| 18:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | psh, i dont -have- a dishwasher |
| 18:34.12 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: I vacuumed and steam cleaned on Sunday :( |
| 18:34.44 | Lopeppeppy | That was forever ago, Shirik. |
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| 18:35.42 | kd3 | grr |
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| 18:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | So random question, anyone here going to ACen this weekend? >.> |
| 18:36.30 | Wobin | night all |
| 18:38.30 | NightHawkTheSane | *blink* I have no idea what i was thinking when I wrote this.. |
| 18:39.01 | NightHawkTheSane | $file->save(); if( !$file->exists() || !$p->Images->contains($file->id) ) {... |
| 18:40.08 | Wobin | maybe... if the save fails due to catastrophic sunspots? |
| 18:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | if the save fails.. it -should- throw an exception, which is handled by the encapsulating try/catch block |
| 18:40.46 | NightHawkTheSane | werem |
| 18:40.50 | NightHawkTheSane | weren't you going to sleep? :P |
| 18:41.19 | Wobin | ... yes |
| 18:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it everyone has read the WowMatrix "Site Updates" page by now? |
| 18:41.40 | Wobin | yep |
| 18:41.46 | Wobin | and the Wowinsider dramalol |
| 18:42.17 | Lopeppeppy | very drama llama. |
| 18:42.20 | zenzelezz | link? |
| 18:42.21 | Kirov | what what? |
| 18:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowmatrix.com/faq/site-updates.html |
| 18:42.32 | Lopeppeppy | We decided to talk about bunnies instead... oh frak. *facepalm* |
| 18:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, sorry |
| 18:42.41 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: BUNNIES. |
| 18:42.48 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: bunnies are always popular |
| 18:42.49 | Lopeppeppy | many bunnies of great fluffy! |
| 18:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: my sister killed her pet bunny. |
| 18:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | BUNNIES! KITTENS! HAPPINESS! |
| 18:43.23 | NightHawkTheSane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/01/21/i-has-a-bunny/ |
| 18:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | She's absolutely obsessed with them, but refused to take the proper care of it |
| 18:43.39 | AckisWork | everytime wowmatrix is installed, God kills a bunny |
| 18:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence, when she left it outside in the sun with a bit of food and water (but not much), it was quickly baked to death by the sun |
| 18:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | cries. That's not nice. |
| 18:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure she cried more, but hasn't asked for a pet since |
| 18:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | (alestane: that work?) |
| 18:45.44 | nicoli_s | anyone have a link to that thread with the wowmatrix code that modified addons? |
| 18:46.45 | Cairenn | trying to find it, hang on |
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| 18:47.50 | AckisWork | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22697 ? |
| 18:48.16 | nicoli_s | theres that one, but theres another that shows them actually editing the addons, and the code for faking the toc |
| 18:48.30 | Wobin | the rafb link is dead =( |
| 18:48.44 | AckisWork | that one had a pastey in it which is dead, Arrowmaster could prolly revive it |
| 18:48.47 | nicoli_s | nm found it |
| 18:48.48 | nicoli_s | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=15 |
| 18:48.58 | Cairenn | page 13 as well |
| 18:50.38 | nicoli_s | thx |
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| 18:51.15 | alestane | "If it's not protected by a license, then it's everyone's property, no?" |
| 18:51.41 | kd3 | >.< |
| 18:52.56 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 18:52.57 | purl | ~pong |
| 18:53.05 | kd3 | grr |
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| 18:53.40 | AckisWork | trolled Cairenn |
| 18:53.48 | Cairenn | I saw |
| 18:54.00 | AckisWork | it was a respectful troll |
| 18:54.02 | AckisWork | ;) |
| 18:54.05 | Cairenn | and I thank you for the attempt to make me laugh, but I'm so fucking furious right now I can barely type |
| 18:54.22 | Kemayo | I like the look of Minion. :D |
| 18:54.38 | Thunder_Child | seriosuly Dotted, how do you follow all of the channels? http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5945/mirc.png |
| 18:54.40 | alestane | Cairenn: Did you also make the mistake of reading WM's so-called FAQ? |
| 18:54.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm so sorry, Cairenn. *hugs* |
| 18:54.48 | Cairenn | yes |
| 18:54.52 | nicoli_s | i feel for ya cairenn |
| 18:54.56 | kd3 | I ugh... had bile in my throat |
| 18:54.57 | AckisWork | Cairenn: go have a poop... direct your hate into the toilet! |
| 18:55.01 | nicoli_s | but at least we are immature together :) |
| 18:55.23 | Kaelten | Cairenn: later lets have a pillow fight and talk about boys on the football team |
| 18:55.46 | AckisWork | Kaelten: ... you've always said no to that with me... |
| 18:56.05 | Kaelten | AckisWork: sorry, but you freak me out |
| 18:56.13 | alestane | I sincerely hope they've given you folks grounds to actually call a lawyer on them or charge them with libel or something. |
| 18:56.22 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:56.29 | AckisWork | Kaelten: lol <3 |
| 18:56.42 | AckisWork | alestane: calling a lawyer would be immature (see what I did there?) |
| 18:57.46 | Kaelten | alestane: it's possible, but the chore there is proving that they've said infactional things, |
| 18:57.49 | Kaelten | in factual* |
| 18:58.16 | AckisWork | Kaelten: wouldn't the immature comment allow you to send them a C&D? |
| 18:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | Some drama llamas respond best to ignoring them. |
| 18:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | unrelated: hahaha, http://vforums.mmoglider.com/showthread.php?t=206434 |
| 18:59.01 | Kemayo | Cairenn: I just noticed that the Minion post on http://www.mmoui.com/ has a lot of unknown-unicode-glyph symbols in it. |
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| 18:59.52 | Cairenn | stupid things not liking apostrophes |
| 18:59.56 | Cairenn | or quotes |
| 19:00.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: what the crap? |
| 19:00.11 | Wobin | hehe, deluge of antiWM posts on that WoWInsider |
| 19:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: it's awesome and you know it |
| 19:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: check out their link? |
| 19:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i did.. |
| 19:00.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm torn between "what the crap" and "holy crap thats amusing" |
| 19:00.59 | Wobin | rofl |
| 19:01.03 | Wobin | wowoutsider? =) |
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| 19:01.41 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah... |
| 19:02.15 | nicoli_s | good post wobin |
| 19:02.16 | Wobin | wow, they've -really- gone to some effort on this |
| 19:02.44 | Wobin | nicoli_s: it's good that the previous posts had the supporting links =) |
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| 19:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a greatly amusing site |
| 19:03.05 | AckisWork | Wobin: I like how they tell you how to break the license |
| 19:03.18 | Wobin | AckisWork: hehe running both games? |
| 19:03.28 | nicoli_s | nooo, blizzard wont let me opt in to sc2 beta :( |
| 19:03.32 | AckisWork | Wobin: lol aye |
| 19:03.35 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: ownt |
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| 19:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it in beta? |
| 19:03.48 | nicoli_s | not yet |
| 19:03.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 19:03.52 | Wobin | "It's been a rough 6 minutes of operating for folks here at WoW Outsider©®, I must admit. " |
| 19:04.06 | Wobin | "So, yes, it's true. We are following in the model of Resto4Life and Big Red Kitty and shutting down our blog. Unfortunately, we can't claim future family as the reason because none of us can get any girls." |
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| 19:05.40 | Wobin | nicoli_s: note how I cunningly put in a clause in my post, that any author that claims to like WM's practices immediately is defined as 'insane'? =) |
| 19:05.52 | tekkub | where's that bitch Tuller |
| 19:06.23 | nicoli_s | oh yes |
| 19:06.31 | AckisWork | ~seen tuller |
| 19:06.32 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-71-197-12-179.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 20h 51m 27s ago, saying: 'wheeeicle'. |
| 19:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | "Show us your nuclear wessels" |
| 19:07.09 | tekkub | Ludwig and Sellfish are the only two showing up in WM for me, I'm sure he'd like to know |
| 19:07.14 | Dewin | wheeeeicle? I'm reminded of our MT accidentally driving his motorcycle off a cliff at the start of Ulduar. |
| 19:08.10 | tekkub | someone tell him if they see him, I might not notice |
| 19:08.40 | alestane | Dewin: Seriously? |
| 19:08.54 | Kaelten | tekkubI think Tuller uses osi licenses for those, doesn't he? |
| 19:09.08 | AckisWork | tekkub: he didn't care about wowmatrix when I talked to him last time |
| 19:09.11 | tekkub | that tool! |
| 19:09.26 | jnwhiteh | [Ammo]: did you have a chance to test out the AL'd LightHeaded? |
| 19:09.29 | tekkub | GPL, goddamnit |
| 19:09.36 | nicoli_s | AL'd? |
| 19:09.37 | jnwhiteh | my users have been crazy silent today :P |
| 19:09.40 | AckisWork | tekkub: combuctor, etc are in there as well |
| 19:09.40 | jnwhiteh | AddonLoader's |
| 19:09.44 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 19:09.44 | jnwhiteh | s/'s/'d/ |
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| 19:10.29 | tekkub | LH is getting ALd? |
| 19:10.31 | tekkub | sweeeet |
| 19:10.38 | jnwhiteh | already has been |
| 19:10.43 | jnwhiteh | download it and test it please |
| 19:11.12 | nicoli_s | addonloader is the addon that lets you conditionally load addons right? |
| 19:11.16 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 19:11.19 | jnwhiteh | everyone should have it installed |
| 19:11.23 | tekkub | Well, TG's optdep'd to it, so it'll load when TG does >< |
| 19:11.35 | AckisWork | I tried ALing ARL but it broke ARL |
| 19:11.48 | jnwhiteh | tekkub: i dont think so |
| 19:11.53 | AckisWork | then I made ARL load with the tradeskill stuff but that broke too kinda |
| 19:11.56 | jnwhiteh | tekkub: it loads when TG first calls the API |
| 19:12.31 | tekkub | probably, but there's a good chance that's shortly after login |
| 19:12.41 | tekkub | either way :) |
| 19:12.44 | jnwhiteh | if you're on a "get" or "return" quest |
| 19:12.44 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 19:12.47 | jnwhiteh | i was testing with TG |
| 19:14.41 | Trela_ | Log in, my character is standing on her horse. Later on, randomly sits down. |
| 19:14.50 | Hirsute | Hey AckisWork: Speaking of ARL. I noticed on lines 800-803 of AckisRecipeList.lua you have ARL clearing trade filters before scanning *if* Skillet isn't loaded. Is there somewhere you do the same if Skillet is loaded, or how do you handle that? |
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| 19:17.51 | AckisWork | from my understanding skillet handles it already for me |
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| 19:19.31 | Hirsute | AckisWork: Ah! |
| 19:19.33 | Hirsute | Okay. |
| 19:19.47 | Hirsute | I'm not familiar with the insides of Skillet. |
| 19:19.55 | AckisWork | i could be wrong, it's been a while since I've played with it, but I think it works |
| 19:20.47 | Hirsute | I cribbed some of your code for my little personal TradeSkill Inventory-maker addon, but I'm getting errors right about the point in my file where I have similar code, but never hav errors when I have ARL scan, so I was wondering if I missed something there. |
| 19:21.09 | AckisWork | you're using skillet? |
| 19:21.11 | alestane | Just tried to type "pie plates" into my phone's T9 and got "she slaves" the first time. |
| 19:21.12 | Hirsute | I am |
| 19:21.31 | kamdis | alestane: freudian? |
| 19:21.36 | kamdis | :P |
| 19:21.45 | kamdis | maybe just a good combo? |
| 19:22.00 | AckisWork | does it work w/o skillet though? |
| 19:23.30 | Hirsute | I haven't tried it yet (I just started to try using this addon this morning before I ran out the door to school) |
| 19:23.50 | AckisWork | kk feel free to pastey me your code to look at |
| 19:23.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/artanis575/100_0850.jpg?t=1241637050 |
| 19:23.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ a guy I know just took that picture |
| 19:24.15 | Hirsute | That was my next step, I just saw you talking in here and figured I'd ask if you handled that stuff for skillet somewhere else. Will do, once I've had a chance to test a little more so I don't bother anyone with any *really* stupid errors. |
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| 19:25.29 | amro | ScytheBlade1: where's that? |
| 19:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | amro: not sure offhand which US state he's in |
| 19:27.47 | nicoli_s | i saw some guy the other day with lulz as his license plate |
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| 19:42.15 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn, Kaelten: have you seen this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904073508&sid=1 |
| 19:42.32 | Zamoria | i'm surprised the guards in darnassus don't attack if you kill a squirrel |
| 19:42.34 | Cairenn | I haven't gotten to it yet |
| 19:42.37 | Zamoria | :> |
| 19:43.10 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: do you plan on posting about wowmatrix's statement that they tried to contact wowi and were completely ignored? |
| 19:43.15 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to draft a nice generic response that anyone can use, and if we all spam the exact same thing at the trolls, they might go away!!!! |
| 19:43.31 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: right now I am too angry to post |
| 19:43.35 | AckisWork | i'm looking at my old swg screenshots and I want to cry :( |
| 19:43.40 | Cairenn | I'm waiting until I calm down |
| 19:43.47 | NeoTron | AckisWork: good times |
| 19:43.51 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 19:44.07 | Wobin | aww |
| 19:44.14 | NeoTron | AckisWork: One thing from SWG that finally came to WoW, years later, is character shadows... |
| 19:44.14 | Wobin | angrycair post would be cool |
| 19:44.28 | Wobin | but about as professional as WM's new FAQ |
| 19:44.31 | Cairenn | Wobin: it might be cool, but it wouldn't be professional |
| 19:44.36 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 19:44.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:45.25 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: You know... that might just work |
| 19:45.26 | Lunessa | huggles Cairenn, and promises to buy her ice cream and blue drinks at BlizzCon. |
| 19:45.28 | AckisWork | NeoTron: wtb SWG's crafting/player housing/community |
| 19:45.33 | Wobin | If -everyone- posts exactly the same thing =) |
| 19:45.40 | Cairenn | ask the folks in my staff channel, I was so mad I couldn't even type |
| 19:45.51 | Cairenn | all I was doing was sitting here going: |
| 19:45.55 | NeoTron | AckisWork: indeed. WoW has a lot to offer but is a very very shallow game |
| 19:45.56 | Cairenn | ao;ijhuao;wier7p9hf;ilkajsd;oiuq[5 |
| 19:46.05 | Wobin | Cairenn: Did your father train you so you lost control of your speech centres when upset? =) |
| 19:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, Wobin! |
| 19:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to work on it tonight so we can all have it. :) I'll be back in the channel bugging everyone for links to threads and pasties and stuff. |
| 19:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 19:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | She plug-pulled |
| 19:47.13 | Wobin | hehe |
| 19:47.14 | Wobin | Chias said... |
| 19:47.15 | Wobin | Hi, this is kind of random but why is there a thanks to Chias at the end? I don't know who you are. |
| 19:47.20 | [Ammo] | jnwhiteh: not yet, but I will shortly |
| 19:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | *roflcopter* |
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| 19:48.33 | Cairenn | that was weird |
| 19:48.33 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: The pastey in this thread: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22697 can you revive it at all? |
| 19:48.35 | Cairenn | stupid intrawebz |
| 19:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: boo, way to disappoint me |
| 19:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 15:46 < ScytheBlade1> ha |
| 19:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 15:46 < ScytheBlade1> She plug-pulled |
| 19:48.57 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:49.10 | nicoli_s | ackis, its on the wow forums |
| 19:49.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=15 |
| 19:49.17 | nicoli_s | and page 13 |
| 19:49.18 | Cairenn | and page 13 |
| 19:49.21 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:49.23 | nicoli_s | *jinx* |
| 19:49.50 | AckisWork | oh my bad |
| 19:49.53 | nicoli_s | cairenn, didnt wowinterface used to be owned by ogaming? |
| 19:49.54 | Arrowmaster | do you want another memory dump? |
| 19:49.59 | AckisWork | ~spank AckisWork |
| 19:50.00 | purl | ACTION bends AckisWork over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on AckisWork's pasty white buttocks. |
| 19:50.04 | Wobin | lets see what else they've done =) |
| 19:50.13 | AckisWork | it might be worthwhile to see if they changed any of the infringing code |
| 19:50.16 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: long and convoluted |
| 19:50.46 | nicoli_s | i used to work for them too, tis why i was asking, since i guess we were technically coworkers for a time :) |
| 19:50.49 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: tl:dr - sorta kinda |
| 19:50.56 | Cairenn | ahhh |
| 19:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: my mental image of you jumping up, screaming and ripping the ethernet out of the wall has been shattered |
| 19:51.05 | Wobin | watches Cairenn do a Grandpa Simpson ramble |
| 19:51.25 | alestane | Win. Just Win. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904073508&pageNo=2&sid=1#25 |
| 19:51.28 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: that was before I even started responding to IRC stuff |
| 19:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh. I missed it the. Boo |
| 19:51.45 | Kaelten | side note |
| 19:51.51 | alestane | "To put it another way: I'm sorry, who are you and why does your opinion matter? " |
| 19:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: wow, totally agree |
| 19:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: yeah, wow, I approve |
| 19:52.11 | Kaelten | http://wow.curse.com/forums/p/94594/469560.aspx#469560, feel free to reference my statement in the face of people bitching about premium breaking the addon policy, |
| 19:52.14 | Wobin | alestane: It's true... it's a bit harsh, but yes |
| 19:52.37 | alestane | Kaelten: Your statement is "An error has occurred"? |
| 19:52.45 | Lunessa | I thought, "We can't stop here! This is bat Country!" was about the right level of response. |
| 19:52.48 | Kaelten | alestane: yes, yes it is |
| 19:52.51 | Kaelten | er wait what? |
| 19:53.11 | alestane | "A server error has occurred." is what I got clicking that link. |
| 19:53.16 | Kaelten | very odd |
| 19:53.21 | alestane | Still. |
| 19:53.22 | Kaelten | is it persistant after reloading? |
| 19:53.28 | alestane | Yes, |
| 19:53.33 | Kaelten | able to visit any other page? |
| 19:53.35 | Wobin | odd.. WFM |
| 19:53.54 | alestane | 3.1.2 patch notes update. |
| 19:53.57 | Lopeppeppy | Take out the , |
| 19:53.59 | Lunessa | And to all you designers... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473975535&sid=1&pageNo=11#210 |
| 19:54.15 | Lunessa | "Pixel fonts are the devil's work." |
| 19:54.34 | Zamoria | Truth |
| 19:55.28 | kneeki | I wonder why blizz would not put a mailbox in moonglade |
| 19:55.36 | alestane | Loaded. |
| 19:55.37 | AckisWork | trolls Kaelten |
| 19:55.57 | Lopeppeppy | Kaelten, can you link me the original news post on Curse for when you blocked WM? |
| 19:56.17 | Kaelten | http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx |
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| 19:56.50 | Dashkal | ahh sweet, you've mentioned that contact publicly. I didn't want to say anything on that matter until you have |
| 19:56.54 | Dashkal | mt |
| 19:57.16 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | *tee hee* |
| 19:58.06 | Coren{de} | kneeki, there isn't any place to rest there ("Zzz"-zone), I think, so no mailbox |
| 19:58.13 | kneeki | =\ |
| 19:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | I get a no-zzzz zone at a lot of Northrend "inns" |
| 19:58.40 | Lopeppeppy | Drives me insane. |
| 19:58.54 | Fisker- | trolls AckisWork |
| 19:59.01 | alestane | Some of the Northren "inns" are really tiny, like a single tent. |
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| 19:59.16 | Lunessa | needs a job that pays me to play games all day. |
| 19:59.20 | Wobin | WoWMatrix has a 'Launch WoW' button? |
| 19:59.26 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I've been standing on the innkeeper and have it not work. |
| 19:59.30 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting, wobin. |
| 19:59.37 | Lunessa | Wobin: It does. |
| 19:59.38 | Wobin | could be old news |
| 19:59.43 | Wobin | ... why? |
| 19:59.45 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I find that you often have to sit in the tent. |
| 19:59.52 | Wobin | I'd like to see what code that activates =) |
| 19:59.54 | Coren{de} | Lopepeppy, the innkeeper isn't necessarily the inn :) |
| 20:00.43 | Dewin | I was really amused by the "inns" in Northrend being tiny. |
| 20:01.00 | kneeki | Wow, Curse makes enough $$$ to 'buyout' Wowmatrix? |
| 20:01.18 | alestane | The civilized building are often quite large. But they've had to put in a lot of rest spots out in the middle of nowhere. |
| 20:01.18 | kneeki | is reading that FAQ thing |
| 20:01.26 | Dewin | kneeki: what? |
| 20:01.37 | kneeki | WoWInterface completely ignored the proposal, while Curse rejected the proposal on the spot, while making threats and trying to buy us out for cheap instead, so as to get rid of us completely. |
| 20:01.37 | kneeki | Instead of taking the time to negotiate on our proposal, they were trying very hard to negotiate on the price of the buyout instead. It was an insult to ourselves and to our users. |
| 20:01.50 | Wobin | "trying to buy us out for cheap" |
| 20:01.56 | kneeki | lol aye |
| 20:01.57 | Wobin | Jesus... How OLD are these people? |
| 20:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I recall Kaelten saying that their offer was "extravagent" or "insane" or something along those lines |
| 20:02.14 | kneeki | No idea. But how much is 'cheap' is what i'm wondering |
| 20:02.27 | nicoli_s | we wanted 3.50 |
| 20:02.35 | Wobin | and a goat |
| 20:02.36 | nicoli_s | they said no, go 3.65 |
| 20:02.42 | nicoli_s | and no compromise could be reached |
| 20:02.43 | kneeki | 3.50? |
| 20:02.46 | Wobin | and nix the camel |
| 20:02.46 | nicoli_s | dollars |
| 20:02.50 | Coren{de} | Lopepeppy, I'm bound at Stormpeaks/Frosthold (to evade the Dalaran lagfeast) and the innkeeper is 5m in front of the "inn" (tentish sized mini-house) |
| 20:03.07 | kneeki | nicoli_s, Buying WowMatrix for $3.50? |
| 20:03.13 | Dewin | Heh. I'm bound at the argent tournament. |
| 20:03.15 | nicoli_s | im joking kneeki |
| 20:03.19 | Dewin | Being a mage has its perks. |
| 20:03.20 | Kaelten | kneeki: lol, no he's being fecitious |
| 20:03.26 | kneeki | nicoli_s, Sarcasm fails me on the interweb |
| 20:03.28 | Lopeppeppy | I am thinking of the Argent questhub thing and a zul-place near it. No tents to huddle under, no indication of where the zzz zone should be. |
| 20:03.38 | Kaelten | kneeki: we did make them an offer that'd compesate them for the time they've put into development. |
| 20:04.05 | Wobin | The only place that has the zzzzone is the Argent Vanguard? |
| 20:04.07 | Kaelten | (after asking how much time has been put into it mind you) |
| 20:04.09 | nicoli_s | i think its hilarious that they think that a business built upon a horrible scripted client thats full of giant switch statemtns and only works with other peopels data is worth spending crazy amounts of money on |
| 20:04.12 | kneeki | Kaelten, how much was that, if it's okay to say on IRC? I'm just curious how much a freelance thing like that would get |
| 20:04.14 | Wobin | and that's in the square building |
| 20:04.19 | Wobin | well, structure |
| 20:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I'm not sure, since I'm not right there to be specific about where and what. |
| 20:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | I don't remember any buildings on that terrace, nor at the zul-place nearby. |
| 20:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | Just people standing around looking foolish. |
| 20:04.59 | Kaelten | kneeki: it wasn't enough to retire on by any means, but it was a decent price. They responded by requesting some 10-20x figure instead of any type of negotation on it. |
| 20:05.09 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: which zone? |
| 20:05.14 | kneeki | Kaelten, Ahh, I see |
| 20:05.51 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I can't even remember the zone name. I'm not where I could look that up easily. All the trolls and phased goddess tiger and gods and the big dude walking around back and forth down the path. |
| 20:06.15 | Wobin | ah, zul'drak |
| 20:06.20 | Lopeppeppy | Sure! :) |
| 20:06.31 | Wobin | yeah, there's only one zzz-zone in there I think |
| 20:06.37 | Wobin | and it's smack in the middle |
| 20:06.41 | Hirsute | Anyone have much experience using co-routines in addons? |
| 20:06.46 | Wobin | Hirsute: a little |
| 20:06.50 | Dewin | Wobin: There's two IIRC. |
| 20:06.53 | Lopeppeppy | But there should be more, there are innkeepers and so forth, there should be zzzz zones wehre there are innkeepers. |
| 20:07.05 | Dashkal | Wobin: There's two at least. The argent Stand (anywhere in the one building) and the troll place (anywhere under the trees) |
| 20:07.09 | Lopeppeppy | There's two "inns" in the zone, the Argent terrace thing and one of th zul-places. |
| 20:07.23 | Wobin | ah, wasn't sure if Zulmaz counted |
| 20:07.24 | Lopeppeppy | Neither have a clear tent or a way to know where in relation to the innkeeper the zzz zone is. |
| 20:07.34 | Lopeppeppy | I've occasionally found both zzz zones, but it's not easy. |
| 20:07.37 | Wobin | er Zol'maz |
| 20:07.46 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: For those two, basically the entire covered area is the zzz spot. |
| 20:07.46 | Hirsute | Wobin: So I've got an addon that scans my tradeskill menu for new recipes, but it causes a fair amount of lag on tradeskills with lots of recipes... if I put the scanning in a co-routine, would it allow the tradeskill window to open without the lag? |
| 20:08.05 | Hirsute | Do you think? |
| 20:08.09 | Wobin | yes |
| 20:08.18 | Hirsute | I need to learn how to do co-routines, then. |
| 20:08.20 | Wobin | if you make the OnUpdate to resume the coroutine not too fast |
| 20:08.20 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 20:08.22 | foxlit | "19 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 73% packet loss" |
| 20:08.24 | foxlit | whee. |
| 20:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal, covered by what? There's nothing covered, it's open area. |
| 20:08.40 | airtonix | pixel fonts rock! elventy oneoneone |
| 20:08.45 | Dewin | foxlit: that's what you get for doing TCP/IP over avian carriers |
| 20:08.56 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: Zol'Maz is a tree grove |
| 20:09.07 | Wobin | no wait |
| 20:09.10 | Wobin | Zim'Torga >< |
| 20:09.15 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: The argent stand has a single building in the center. Map on the floor. High ceiling and only one wall, but there is a roof. As for the trolls, anywhere near the statue in the center (the entire cleared area is an "inn") |
| 20:09.18 | Coren{de} | coroutines are possible in AddOns? I thought that was not part of the available subset of lua... |
| 20:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, and I get no zzzzs automatically in there, I have to move around carefully near the innkeeper. |
| 20:09.27 | Dashkal | odd |
| 20:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Coren{de}: they are |
| 20:09.31 | Wobin | Coren{de}: absolutely |
| 20:09.32 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway, it's not intuitive and it's odd. |
| 20:09.49 | Dewin | I've had a problem where when I hearth to an inn I sometimes don't get rested unless I leave and come back to the inn |
| 20:10.35 | Coren{de} | so those AddOns that heuristically find a suboptimal solution for the TSP of collection nodes are just lousy implemented... I C. :D |
| 20:10.52 | krka | what do you mean with lousy implemented? |
| 20:10.58 | foxlit | Mostly pointless(tm) |
| 20:11.23 | Dewin | Coren{de}: If you're referring to Routes, it supports doing it in the background. |
| 20:11.34 | Coren{de} | well, the one I saw at a friend had a 50:50 chance of disconnecting in a fully explored zone... |
| 20:11.43 | Wobin | most people don't bother doing it in the background =P |
| 20:11.50 | Dewin | though I've never D/C'd forcing it to do the foreground scan |
| 20:12.00 | Arrowmaster | Coren{de}: you must do it in the background for northrend zones |
| 20:12.14 | Arrowmaster | they have too many nodes |
| 20:12.15 | Dewin | and that's using wowhead's gathererdb, in northrend (Saronite/Titanium in Sholazar to be precise) |
| 20:12.33 | Coren{de} | He must. I don't use that kind of stuff, I prefer to be surprised every time I find a node ;) |
| 20:12.33 | Dewin | and I even turn on all the options that are brutal murder on the algorithm |
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| 20:15.05 | Dashkal | Valnoth decided to try the blue-troll game: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903654971&sid=1 |
| 20:15.17 | airtonix | gatherer sotres more information about each node than gathermate? |
| 20:15.21 | airtonix | stores* |
| 20:16.05 | Dashkal | I wish wowhead/wowdb/etc would store a flag indicating inside or outside. |
| 20:16.33 | airtonix | and how does the loading of that data on the minimap of each node affect peformance? |
| 20:16.41 | Dashkal | I want to be able to make a route that just ignores indoor nodes. Not taboo zones, but just ignored. |
| 20:16.59 | airtonix | you can |
| 20:17.01 | Wobin | indoor? |
| 20:17.08 | airtonix | delete the node |
| 20:17.18 | airtonix | Wobin, as in inside a cave |
| 20:17.22 | Wobin | oh |
| 20:17.37 | Dewin | I can usually tell which ones are indoor just from how tightly they're clustered |
| 20:17.40 | Dewin | and ignore them accordingly |
| 20:17.51 | Dashkal | airtonix: I don't want the nodes deleted either, I want them on my map. I just want routes to not see them when doing the pretty line |
| 20:18.10 | airtonix | Dashkal, you mean you want one button to RULE THEM ALL? |
| 20:18.17 | airtonix | [evil laugh here] |
| 20:18.21 | Dashkal | one button to bind them! |
| 20:18.24 | Wobin | Dashkal: what's wrong with tabooing them? |
| 20:18.33 | Dashkal | Wobin: caves that aren't on zone edges |
| 20:18.41 | airtonix | Wobin, yeah thats the problem |
| 20:18.49 | Dewin | Wobin: He wants to be able to know which ones *are* indoors so they can be bulk-taboo'd :) |
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| 20:18.55 | Wobin | oh |
| 20:19.06 | Dewin | I'm guessing anyways... based on my sudden desire for the same feature |
| 20:19.09 | airtonix | it is a good idea for the pedantic |
| 20:19.10 | Dashkal | A taboo zone also blocks routes from crossing a space, which isn't always wanted |
| 20:19.34 | Dewin | I don't think it'd take much to adapt Gatherer/etc to store that information |
| 20:19.42 | Dewin | but of course it won't have it until the next visit to those nodes |
| 20:19.56 | Dewin | unless it stores altitude as well |
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| 20:20.09 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably wouldn't, but as Dashkal said, wowhead/wowdb would have to support it as well for the db-pulls |
| 20:20.11 | Hirsute | oooh, ick. I think it may be a while before I get co-routines in, just looked at the lua reference manual and went, ".... right." |
| 20:20.14 | Dashkal | This isn't an insurmountable problem. I'd just like it to be simpler |
| 20:20.37 | Wobin | no altitudes |
| 20:20.54 | Dashkal | Mostly I just ignore the messy parts of my route since it is pretty obvious where the caves are. |
| 20:21.12 | Dashkal | Taboo where it won't mess with the route |
| 20:22.05 | airtonix | Wobin, but there is a wow api function to tell wether you are indoors or not? |
| 20:22.13 | Wobin | yeah |
| 20:22.17 | Hirsute | Coren{de}: Coroutines were added back in 2.0 or 2.1, I forget which. |
| 20:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | blows kisses, time to pack up for home. |
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| 20:22.27 | foxlit | Hey, build an altitude meter already |
| 20:22.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, good luck with that. |
| 20:22.59 | Dashkal | Sadly, the Z coordinate isn't available |
| 20:23.01 | Hirsute | And: I've always done my Northrend routes in the foreground, with the extra optimization, and never had issues. |
| 20:23.22 | Dewin | ^ |
| 20:23.37 | Hirsute | At most it's locked me up for maybe 2 seconds. |
| 20:23.45 | Dashkal | Though if someone wanted to crash their wow a few times "sea level" could be measured. (I noticed that, at least last time I read the thing, the Z was in the crash report). |
| 20:23.58 | Dashkal | erm, thought. If routes is taking too long, are you clustering? |
| 20:24.08 | foxlit | "Dashkal: Sadly, the Z coordinate isn't available" << meh! |
| 20:24.30 | foxlit | Real people use a map, a compass, and a stopwatch for navigation |
| 20:25.06 | Dashkal | I use this! http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45984 |
| 20:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess by that definition, either computers are now real people, or all the real people died out in the.. uh.. 1900s? |
| 20:25.12 | Hirsute | That stopwatch can be used in many different ways to determine altitude, too! |
| 20:25.27 | Wobin | Hirsute: indeed |
| 20:25.32 | Wobin | just drop said stopwatch |
| 20:25.35 | Dewin | Hirsute: It can be used to determine distance above the ground, but only after that figure becomes zero. |
| 20:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | also, if ground level changes, you're fucked |
| 20:26.23 | Dewin | distance above ground != altitude anyways :) |
| 20:26.31 | Hirsute | Dewin: not even that, if you're stopwatch is sitting on the ground, you can use it to determine a zero difference above ground. |
| 20:26.58 | airtonix | In Soviet Russia, compass points you! |
| 20:27.10 | Hirsute | s/you're/your |
| 20:27.39 | Wobin | =( |
| 20:27.50 | Wobin | WM drama always occurs between 3am and 6am |
| 20:28.10 | NightHawkTheSane | not for us real people |
| 20:28.17 | Hirsute | Anyway, if you know the altitude of the ground, you can still use the stopwatch to determine altitude. |
| 20:28.20 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 20:28.35 | Lukian | Is there anything wrong with this macro? |
| 20:28.39 | Hirsute | Yes |
| 20:28.41 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.43 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 20:28.47 | airtonix | there is angle of ascent function in wow yes? |
| 20:29.15 | Hirsute | Lukian: I don't see anything glaringly wrong with it, why do you ask? |
| 20:29.34 | Lukian | it doesn't cast maim |
| 20:29.38 | Lukian | when i have combo points |
| 20:29.49 | Wobin | but does it cast Rake? |
| 20:30.12 | Lukian | yeah |
| 20:30.21 | Hirsute | And the obvious question: It doesn't cast Maim when you have combo points and are using a modifier, correct? |
| 20:30.28 | Lukian | correct |
| 20:30.30 | Wobin | and maim is not on cooldown? |
| 20:30.49 | foxlit | And that modifier happens to be ctrl? |
| 20:30.58 | Lukian | shift is while I usually use |
| 20:31.00 | Hirsute | What modifier are you trying to use, and what key is your macro bound to? (Please tell me the anwers aren't Alt, and F4, respectively) |
| 20:31.03 | Lukian | it's not on cooldown |
| 20:31.05 | Wobin | hehe |
| 20:31.18 | Lukian | it's on actionbarslot 1 |
| 20:31.20 | Wobin | most underused keybinding ever |
| 20:31.21 | Lukian | so alt+1 |
| 20:31.25 | foxlit | personally, I bind all my wow keys to CTRL+ALT+ Delete |
| 20:31.27 | Lukian | er shift+1 |
| 20:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Lukian: i'd make sure the mod+key combo you're using isn't bound to something else |
| 20:31.32 | Lukian | yeah checking now |
| 20:31.37 | NightHawkTheSane | that's the biggest culprit |
| 20:31.38 | Hirsute | That's probably why. |
| 20:31.45 | Wobin | swap them around |
| 20:31.48 | Hirsute | Shift-1-6 are usually used to switch action bars. |
| 20:31.51 | Wobin | see if you can maim and not rake =) |
| 20:31.55 | Hirsute | And bound that way by default. |
| 20:32.55 | AckisWork | ~Cairenn++ |
| 20:33.01 | Wobin | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/124158/lnq090504.jpeg |
| 20:33.03 | Cairenn | AckisWork: ? |
| 20:33.08 | Cairenn | silence? |
| 20:33.15 | AckisWork | exactly |
| 20:33.18 | Cairenn | yeah :) |
| 20:33.21 | Cairenn | had enough |
| 20:33.42 | Lukian | shift+1 doesn't seem to be bound |
| 20:33.50 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:34.04 | Lukian | I unbound all the actionbar switches |
| 20:34.06 | nicoli_s | how appropriate wobin |
| 20:34.08 | Lukian | previously |
| 20:34.53 | Hirsute | If you pick alt or ctrl, will it work then? |
| 20:35.23 | Lukian | alt yes, ctrl or shift, no. |
| 20:35.48 | Hirsute | Shift-1 and Ctrl-1 seem to be used for something else then. |
| 20:35.56 | Hirsute | Do you have a macro on Actionbar slot 2? |
| 20:36.17 | Lukian | no |
| 20:36.28 | Hirsute | What happens when you press Shift-2? |
| 20:36.34 | foxlit | shift is the action bar switch binding |
| 20:36.38 | foxlit | ctrl is the pet bar binding |
| 20:36.41 | Lukian | that works fine, it's mapped to feral charge |
| 20:36.46 | Lukian | shift+3 is swipe |
| 20:36.52 | Hirsute | foxlit: *nod* He says he's unbound those. |
| 20:37.00 | Hirsute | Okay.... Hrmm. |
| 20:37.08 | foxlit | Then it's time to see what GetBindingAction returns |
| 20:37.10 | Wobin | Cairenn: hm, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069&page=29 shows 30 pages, but I can't seem to get to the 30th |
| 20:37.30 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. http://notalwaysright.com/whats-a-few-years-hard-labor-anyway/1916 |
| 20:37.32 | Hirsute | Well, no idea here. Time for me to go read the PIL |
| 20:37.38 | Hirsute | waves |
| 20:37.52 | Cairenn | Wobin: 30? more like 58 |
| 20:38.07 | Lukian | foxlit, how do I use that? :) |
| 20:38.25 | foxlit | /run print(GetBindingAction("CTRL-2", true)); |
| 20:38.54 | Wobin | Cairenn: I think I have selected the "Show a ridiculous number of replies per page" option |
| 20:39.00 | Wobin | which is why only 30 =) |
| 20:39.03 | Cairenn | ah |
| 20:39.14 | foxlit | can't render the 59th page either |
| 20:39.22 | Lukian | ta, actionpage1, it was the only one not unbound :) |
| 20:39.24 | Wobin | but Kaelten's is the last post about shoe size? |
| 20:39.27 | Lukian | <3 |
| 20:39.29 | Cairenn | is it is |
| 20:39.32 | Wobin | kk |
| 20:39.53 | Cairenn | s/is it/yes it/ |
| 20:40.20 | Cairenn | it may be acting up on you guys because I just silenced someone |
| 20:40.43 | Kaelten | ~hugs Cairenn |
| 20:40.44 | purl | hugs Cairenn even though it's not "prim & proper" to do so |
| 20:40.51 | Cairenn | hugs Kaelten |
| 20:40.58 | Cairenn | I've had enough with the personal attacks |
| 20:41.02 | Cairenn | they stop |
| 20:41.19 | Cairenn | at this point I'm going to either silence people, or give them site vacations |
| 20:41.52 | Kaelten | indeed |
| 20:42.04 | Kaelten | I'm working to start a crackdown on curse's forums |
| 20:42.11 | Dewin | vacations? Can I get one to the carribean? |
| 20:42.11 | Kaelten | it's like cleaning out a rat nest |
| 20:42.31 | alestane | Dictator! Why are you afraid of what they have to say?</sarcasm> |
| 20:42.38 | Kaelten | heh |
| 20:42.45 | Wobin | They clearly have something to HIDE |
| 20:43.30 | Wobin | wow |
| 20:43.41 | Wobin | people are actually making reasoned responses after reading the wowinsider thread |
| 20:43.47 | Wobin | (crazy) |
| 20:43.50 | alestane | Supervisor: âI apologize for the inconvenience, maâam, but this cashier has lost her voice.â |
| 20:43.50 | alestane | Customer: *totally serious* âOh. Are you looking for it?â |
| 20:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: what? |
| 20:44.10 | Wobin | inorite? |
| 20:44.18 | Lukian | is SHIFT-SPACE a valid binding? |
| 20:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | have the crazies actually gone so far OFF the deep end that they looped back around to making sense? |
| 20:44.26 | alestane | Lukian: I believe so. |
| 20:44.29 | Fisker- | hey |
| 20:45.04 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: nah, the crazies are still there |
| 20:45.18 | Wobin | just some of the innocent bystanders are actually weeding past the crazt |
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| 20:45.59 | NightHawkTheSane | whew. I'd hate to think we entered some kind of bizzaro crazy zone |
| 20:46.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Lukian: it is default bound to show the score screen in battlegrounds |
| 20:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Lukian: although that may be ctrl+space |
| 20:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Something-space |
| 20:48.23 | Lukian | oh bugger - I wonder what I'll remap that too |
| 20:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I used ctrl/alt/shift modifiers for nearly everything, and would hit that keybind often without meaning to |
| 20:49.51 | Lukian | hehe I know what you mean ^_^ |
| 20:50.57 | Lukian | "Target current talker"? o.O |
| 20:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | In-game voice chat |
| 20:51.24 | Lukian | so .. you can throw snowballs at them? |
| 20:51.25 | foxlit | HEAL MEEEEEE! |
| 20:51.29 | Lukian | or that ! :D |
| 20:51.30 | foxlit | dies. |
| 20:51.41 | foxlit | hai guyz, wru healing? |
| 20:51.42 | airtonix | http://notalwaysright.com/marital-bliss-in-all-its-forms-part-3/1544 |
| 20:52.30 | Kaelten | ~lart AckisWork |
| 20:52.30 | purl | takes AckisWork to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 20:52.38 | AckisWork | SPAMMER |
| 20:52.52 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.05 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.12 | airtonix | stabs it |
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| 20:53.50 | Fisker- | HADOUKEN |
| 20:54.45 | Cairenn1 | wth is going on with my internet today? |
| 20:54.57 | Fisker- | HADOUKEN |
| 20:55.01 | Wobin | ""If I was ever a little bit more aggressive towards Jelena, it was for her sake," Damir Dokic told the Serbian newspaper, Vecernje Novosti." |
| 20:55.01 | Fisker- | Is what's going on |
| 20:55.08 | Wobin | >< |
| 20:56.07 | amro | Cairenn1: all the stupid from the WM comments is clogging up the tubes |
| 20:57.14 | Cairenn1 | AckisWork: tekkub - it's because I silenced Jalandar |
| 20:57.25 | AckisWork | Cairenn1: oh |
| 20:57.39 | tekkub | I know you did |
| 20:57.39 | AckisWork | Cairenn1: how much would it cost to silence tekkub for a day? :D |
| 20:57.48 | tekkub | 10000000 pennies |
| 20:57.56 | Wobin | who? |
| 20:57.59 | Cairenn1 | just saying that that is why the page numbers have gone wonky |
| 20:58.01 | AckisWork | lua> 10000000 / 100 |
| 20:58.02 | lua_bot | AckisWork: 100000 |
| 20:58.14 | AckisWork | tekkub: that's like $100000 |
| 20:58.24 | tekkub | yes, yes it is |
| 20:58.36 | tekkub | you can't silence genius |
| 20:58.55 | airtonix | bacon bucket? |
| 20:58.55 | kamdis | amro: the stupid, it is everywhere, unfortunately. |
| 20:59.35 | amro | it's manageable on an average day. then you click on a link and get overwhelmed :/ |
| 21:01.05 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: i think you misspelled penises there. |
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| 21:01.50 | tekkub | no, I can only handle a handful of those at a time |
| 21:01.51 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 21:02.17 | kneeki | Hmm, i wonder why there are no Heroes S04 episodes on pbay |
| 21:02.25 | kneeki | or demonid for that matter =\ |
| 21:03.18 | amro | it must be because the series is getting worse and worse |
| 21:03.25 | kneeki | lol |
| 21:03.32 | tekkub | S4? |
| 21:03.35 | kneeki | Aye |
| 21:03.36 | tekkub | I thought we were in 3 |
| 21:03.46 | tekkub | or rather, just finished 3 |
| 21:03.47 | kneeki | S04E03 is on Hulu right now |
| 21:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | http://punxter.com/pic/Kid_Driving_Under_Car |
| 21:04.09 | kneeki | http://www.hulu.com/watch/69036/heroes-nowhere-man-pulling-the-strings |
| 21:04.14 | tekkub | 1 was cheerleader, 2 was hiro's japan adventure... 3 was evil daddy |
| 21:04.19 | tekkub | okey yea 4 was the last season |
| 21:04.31 | foxlit | "only from within United States" |
| 21:04.44 | foxlit | rars. |
| 21:05.54 | amro | I managed to suspend disbelief for all the powers they have, yet I can't buy all the stupid decisions they keep making. |
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| 21:06.34 | NeoTron | must admit that with the existance of hulu.com (or even fox.com and other channels with online streaming video) I find little reason to torrent tv series |
| 21:06.47 | NeoTron | not like I ever want to watch the same episode again (and not like I can't just watch online again) |
| 21:06.49 | nicoli_s | hulu is pretty sweet |
| 21:06.57 | amro | NeoTron: [22:04:31] <foxlit> "only from within United States" |
| 21:07.06 | NeoTron | amro: not a problem! :) |
| 21:07.19 | foxlit | It's np, it's just that there are more people outside US than inside US |
| 21:07.23 | NeoTron | I can see the out-of-us issue naturally but doesn't affect me |
| 21:07.25 | foxlit | so, netPiracy++ |
| 21:07.41 | amro | it's perfectly legal where I live |
| 21:08.28 | kneeki | http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&safe=off&client=google-coop&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3ATorrent%2520Search%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcoop%2Fintl%2Fen-US%2Fimages%2Fcustom_search_sm.gif%3BLH%3A65%3BLP%3A1%3BVLC%3A%23551a8b%3BGFNT%3A%23666666%3BDIV%3A%23cccccc%3B&adkw=AELymgWWyky63gK-AK-1-9NmQygHTK0bMVbVJi7xaSJTl6hEGGQK-RwOuOamVOFWua-BD_5QIar0N4YL0G7m0R-1QvU82UEzLCvjCD8w70J4qMSH6tscytc&boostcse=0&q=Heroes+S04&btnG=Search&cx=00384999687641 |
| 21:08.28 | kneeki | 9856805%3Aerhhdbygrma |
| 21:08.31 | kneeki | love the google |
| 21:09.01 | foxlit | I'm sure all those numbers are to more efficiently report you to the correct authorities |
| 21:09.25 | amro | the authoroties are correct? ;) |
| 21:09.35 | zenzelezz | and URL of more than 400 characters... ew |
| 21:09.39 | zenzelezz | *an |
| 21:09.47 | kneeki | mhmm |
| 21:10.07 | kneeki | http://www.thepirategoogle.com/ yee |
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| 21:11.41 | foxlit | Urgh. |
| 21:11.52 | foxlit | High-quality youtube audio sort of sucks for voice compression ;/ |
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| 21:13.55 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 21:13.57 | Fisker- | trolling away! |
| 21:13.57 | AbsolutRayne | Hrm |
| 21:13.57 | Fisker- | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/05/06/wowmatrix-responds-to-curse-and-wow-interface/ |
| 21:14.25 | nicoli_s | we know fisker :( |
| 21:14.40 | AckisWork | hmmm I can have like over 9000 pm's in my inbox on wowi... who to spam? *targets shirik and makes fun of HIS code* |
| 21:14.56 | nicoli_s | suprisingly the amount of rational posts in that news post are pretty high |
| 21:15.10 | Fisker- | "Although we do not agree with their actions, we respect their position in this matter, and so WowMatrix does not currently download AddOns from either Curse or WoWInterface." |
| 21:15.10 | AckisWork | woah Fisker- what happened/ |
| 21:15.12 | Fisker- | HURRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 21:15.14 | TecnoBrat | Fisker-, hours behind! |
| 21:15.34 | nicoli_s | that doesnt stop them from trying |
| 21:15.37 | nicoli_s | they still scrape us |
| 21:15.43 | Fisker- | That sentence is just as funny as "So for those of you who enjoy Warcraft III maps, be careful about the maps you download and always use trusted Fansites such as War3.IncGamers.com that continuously scan for viruses." |
| 21:15.55 | Fisker- | trusted fansites |
| 21:15.56 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 21:15.59 | Fisker- | scan for viruses |
| 21:16.00 | Fisker- | hohohoho |
| 21:16.12 | AbsolutRayne | I seem to remember being able to set the Strata on Quartz and PitBull |
| 21:16.14 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 21:16.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 21:17.44 | foxlit | Hm, why am I missing Tree of Life aura as a tree? |
| 21:18.03 | amro | it only affects players, not the countryside |
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| 21:18.53 | TecnoBrat | dear god that faq is awesome |
| 21:19.06 | TecnoBrat | so is the gold selling ads right below it |
| 21:19.14 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: Is it possible to set Frame Strata with PitBull4? |
| 21:19.20 | ckknight | not sure |
| 21:19.25 | ckknight | you may need to alter the code |
| 21:19.32 | ckknight | yea, I think that's how it is currently |
| 21:19.35 | ckknight | I need to fix that |
| 21:19.42 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, thank you |
| 21:20.38 | Lunessa | I need a bacon button installed on my desk. |
| 21:20.49 | Wobin | TecnoBrat: they're not gold selling ads =) |
| 21:20.57 | Wobin | 100% Legal! |
| 21:21.08 | TecnoBrat | Wobin, the ones on my screen are :P |
| 21:21.19 | Fisker- | OH LAWD |
| 21:21.22 | Fisker- | LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD |
| 21:21.39 | Fisker- | Is WoWMatrix open sourced or did someone crack the code? If someone cracked the code why should I believe the words of a criminal that someone is being deceitful? |
| 21:21.43 | Fisker- | hahhahaha |
| 21:21.51 | Wobin | DECEITFUL! |
| 21:21.59 | TecnoBrat | words of a criminal |
| 21:22.01 | TecnoBrat | AWESOME! |
| 21:22.17 | Fisker- | So i guess WM is a freedomfight then? |
| 21:22.25 | Wobin | Acreaon have only themselves to blame |
| 21:22.29 | Fisker- | One persons criminal, another persons freedom fighter |
| 21:22.30 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 21:22.35 | Wobin | if they didn't write it in Runtime Revolution, we'd never know |
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| 21:25.27 | Kraps | hai gaiz |
| 21:25.48 | AckisWork | Tuller: tekkub wants to beat you up I think... I'd run if I were you |
| 21:26.08 | Dashkal | heh, wonder how long the WM responds thread will stay on cake/pie |
| 21:26.10 | Tuller | what did I do? |
| 21:26.21 | tekkub | Tuller: GPL, yea... uhm... yours are the only addons in my system on WM |
| 21:26.27 | tekkub | you should do something about that |
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| 21:27.24 | Tuller | are they still ripping from curse/wowi? |
| 21:27.48 | Wobin | They got blocked off |
| 21:27.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Qzot (n=qzot@mail.guidewire.com) |
| 21:27.56 | Wobin | but since your addons are under GPL, they're rehosting it |
| 21:28.05 | nicoli_s | they still scrape us to get the newest version number of addons |
| 21:28.06 | Tuller | BSD'd |
| 21:28.30 | Fisker- | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 21:28.32 | Fisker- | "These guys are doing it for the good of the community, not because they want to get phat cash" |
| 21:28.45 | Fisker- | Oh so that's why they're putting in ads while not really hosting anything? |
| 21:28.47 | Fisker- | suuure |
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| 21:29.31 | Wobin | yeah... it's in their FAQ! |
| 21:29.35 | End | Fisker-: I thought you were supposed to be trolling |
| 21:29.54 | Pharaunmizz | "Six words. De facto, de jure, desuetude." Ok seriously. What the hell, why is this even a legal debate to begin with from parties that have no legal stake in the matter (addon licensing), and why is it that the idiots are always the ones talking? |
| 21:30.01 | nicoli_s | im sure thats why the first thing their client does is hit quantcast, so they can improve their ad hits |
| 21:30.03 | AckisWork | Fisker- fails at trolling |
| 21:30.05 | Wobin | "We would like to thank all of the authors and users who have been supporting and encouraging us. We will continue to do our best to serve the community." |
| 21:30.33 | Wobin | Pharaunmizz: aye |
| 21:30.35 | Wobin | stupidity |
| 21:30.50 | Pharaunmizz | I may be really, really (really) bad at counting, but come on. 5? |
| 21:31.18 | Fisker- | End i wouldn't bother trolling wowinsider |
| 21:31.29 | Fisker- | Pissing in an ocean of piss imo |
| 21:32.13 | NightHawkTheSane | The Nietzsche Family Circus! http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/perm.php?c=99&q=184 |
| 21:32.31 | nicoli_s | i like that saying fisker |
| 21:33.06 | Pharaunmizz | Night: genius |
| 21:33.12 | Macniel | I have a question, when I do not include any license file to my addon under which license is this addon then ? |
| 21:33.27 | Zamoria | no license |
| 21:33.30 | Tuller | all rights reserved |
| 21:33.39 | Tuller | dependent on country? |
| 21:33.42 | Pharaunmizz | ^ |
| 21:33.47 | Pharaunmizz | Ask a lawyer |
| 21:34.05 | End | most countries grant copyright protection implicitly |
| 21:34.11 | Pharaunmizz | In US copyright law though (according to the last copyright lawyer I talked about), your stuff is your own property, like most other countries |
| 21:34.16 | Pharaunmizz | Yea, that |
| 21:34.29 | Macniel | mh that sounds good for me then, thanks :) |
| 21:34.32 | Tuller | since 1980ish |
| 21:34.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i can't imagine any country not doing that.. |
| 21:34.45 | Pharaunmizz | I could imagine China not doing that |
| 21:34.58 | Macniel | afaik the netherlands too |
| 21:35.21 | Pharaunmizz | But seriously, IP law is confusing enough in one country :S |
| 21:35.25 | tekkub | Macniel: frankly, keep all rights reserved legally, but be liberal with regards to other authors |
| 21:35.55 | tekkub | i.e. my code is wide fucking open, but you can't host it or use my addon names |
| 21:35.58 | Zamoria | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works |
| 21:36.21 | Macniel | what license are you using tekkub ? because that sounds reasonable |
| 21:36.31 | tekkub | none |
| 21:36.38 | Macniel | mmmh okay... |
| 21:36.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Maine's gov. just signed marriage equality into law, yay.. http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=Gov+News&id=72146&v=Article-2006 |
| 21:37.00 | tekkub | I could like Maine |
| 21:37.04 | tekkub | real lobster |
| 21:37.45 | Tuller | so i'm guessing there's another wowmatrix thread somewhere? |
| 21:37.55 | NightHawkTheSane | there's always another wm thread somewhere |
| 21:38.01 | NightHawkTheSane | they're like cockroaches, or bunnies. |
| 21:38.01 | End | indeed |
| 21:38.08 | The_Real_ | hmm... they should have put blizzcon June 6-7 instead |
| 21:38.36 | tekkub | also, they did it right, fuck yea |
| 21:38.56 | tekkub | marriage has never been about the goddamn church the moment the gov't was involved |
| 21:40.08 | nicoli_s | tuller, they posted a faq saying the whole blocking thing was our fault and they are the good guys and we are all just immature |
| 21:40.12 | NightHawkTheSane | well, there's nothing wrong with religion having its own concept of marriage. As long as that doesn't impugn the legal benefits & ramifications of civil unions. |
| 21:40.15 | nicoli_s | and then wowinsder posted a new story about it |
| 21:40.38 | tekkub | frankly, I'm fine with "civil union" so long as that's what it's called for breeders too |
| 21:40.54 | Wobin | Tuller: They actually called Curse and WoWI "childish" =) |
| 21:40.55 | Dashkal | Tuller: there is, but I'm helping derail it into a cake/pie discussion |
| 21:40.58 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, civil union, marriage, synonyms from my perspective, i didn't mean to imply yotherwise :P |
| 21:41.06 | AckisWork | thinks we shouldn't talk about gay marriage/etc in this channel |
| 21:41.14 | tekkub | except they're not, legally |
| 21:41.19 | Thunder_Child | AckisWork would be wrong |
| 21:42.28 | tekkub | I remember Trey paying TAX on the "income" he got from carrying me on his health insurance |
| 21:42.28 | tekkub | and then of course there's the whole medical issues with "family", thank god neither of our families will pull that shit |
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| 21:42.57 | Wobin | power of attorney and the like |
| 21:43.05 | Wobin | (medical) |
| 21:43.17 | tekkub | yea that |
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| 21:43.49 | Hirsute | So I've looked at PIL, and I'm not finding this, maybe someone can help: Is it possible to sort a dictionary table by value in lua? |
| 21:44.04 | Pharaunmizz | Just get the church out of something that provides legal and tax rights for people, and get the government out of whatever the hell religious beliefs people want to hold |
| 21:44.11 | tekkub | hash-like table? can't sort |
| 21:44.20 | Hirsute | bah |
| 21:44.21 | Pharaunmizz | what need do you have to sort it? |
| 21:44.30 | Pharaunmizz | is there a way around it is what I'm getting at... |
| 21:44.32 | tekkub | shove keys in an array-like table and sort that |
| 21:45.28 | tekkub | Pharaunmizz: aye, and that's why I'd rather the religios one be "marriage" and the legal one be "union" |
| 21:45.45 | Hirsute | Pharaunmizz: I've got a table that stores recipes I know in my tradeskills and their "difficulty" (1-4). I'd like to display the recipes with the most difficult ones at the top of the list. My first thought was to sort the table by value, but it looks like I can't do that. |
| 21:45.46 | Wobin | "Basicly at what point can I say curse is denying me the ability to down load addons in favor of premium users so i may report them in violation " |
| 21:45.52 | tekkub | then the only complaint is breeders that don't like the word "union" |
| 21:45.54 | Pharaunmizz | hirs: I guess theoretically possible? Get all the keys from something like ipairs, make a new table with just the keys, sort that with something, re-make the old one? |
| 21:45.55 | Wobin | >< |
| 21:46.21 | Wobin | Pharaunmizz: only way is to have a sorted lookup table |
| 21:46.24 | Pharaunmizz | ah sort by value..., yea |
| 21:46.27 | Wobin | not remake |
| 21:46.31 | tekkub | I love people that don't get that Curse is all the same it's always been, it's just that the updater has a premium mode |
| 21:46.32 | Wobin | just have it as a lookup |
| 21:46.44 | Hirsute | Wobin: People just can't seem to understand that the UI policy doesn't apply to Curse.... |
| 21:46.48 | Tuller | interestingish |
| 21:46.55 | nicoli_s | tekkub, its like those people have never used trial software before in their life... |
| 21:47.06 | Pharaunmizz | WinZip *cough* oops |
| 21:47.12 | tekkub | the policy does, in so far as Curse can't not provide free downloads |
| 21:47.41 | tekkub | which they have o intentions of not doing, never! |
| 21:47.47 | tekkub | *no |
| 21:47.48 | Lunessa | OMG - I'm totally a breeder, except well, I haven't actually done any breeding... |
| 21:47.56 | Pharaunmizz | XD |
| 21:48.01 | Wobin | Lunessa: well. Get to it. |
| 21:48.02 | End | yeah, better way to put it is "People just can't seem to understand that Curse isn't violating the UI Policy." |
| 21:48.02 | Wobin | chop chop |
| 21:48.06 | The_Real_ | Lunessa: what are you wainting for... go go go |
| 21:48.07 | Hirsute | tekkub: As far as I can tell, the only enforcement Blizz intends to use for the new UI policy is to disable non-compliant addons, which doesn't apply to Curse, as Curse isn't an addon. |
| 21:48.10 | tekkub | Lunessa can't get sex! |
| 21:48.29 | Lunessa | tekkub: Sadly, more often true than not lately. |
| 21:48.34 | Wobin | Hirsute: it's also under "addons must be available for free" clause |
| 21:48.36 | End | Hirsute: The polict does mention distribution. |
| 21:48.38 | tekkub | intent to enforce doesn't mean it doesn't apply |
| 21:48.40 | End | policy* |
| 21:49.04 | foxlit | echo 127.0.0.1 curse.com >> /etc/hosts, np |
| 21:49.18 | tekkub | if Curse started blocking free downloads of, say, oh, QuestHelper... Blizzy certainly would contact them |
| 21:49.19 | Dashkal | I can only think of one way the policy could apply to curse even if they did start making people pay for access... Which goes back to the policy drama itself. |
| 21:49.36 | Hirsute | I *suppose* it could be considered to apply, but what's Blizz going to do, disable all addons available on Curse? |
| 21:49.46 | Pharaunmizz | Sue |
| 21:49.54 | Dashkal | Pharaunmizz: on what grounds? |
| 21:50.08 | Hirsute | ^^^^ |
| 21:50.10 | tekkub | This is all the work of Blegal, we all know that |
| 21:50.12 | Kandoko | I don't think I have ever seen so much stupid as in that wowinsider thread |
| 21:50.16 | Pharaunmizz | Probably no good ones, but that doesn't mean they won't think about starting a case |
| 21:50.17 | Dashkal | I have an answer, but I really dislike it. |
| 21:50.23 | tekkub | of course they'd try to sue if Curse wouldn't work with them |
| 21:50.26 | Pharaunmizz | Or at least threaten |
| 21:50.29 | Pharaunmizz | ^ that |
| 21:50.40 | End | technically, you probably aren't in violation until the -only- source has to be paid for |
| 21:50.47 | End | I think |
| 21:50.50 | tekkub | they'd try to work with them, then threaten, then at least try to sue |
| 21:51.12 | Pharaunmizz | Yea, and it's not like Blizz is eager to shoot itself in the foot by killing off addon distribution |
| 21:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Is anyone else agitated over the spelling of the thread title "wowmatrix responce"? |
| 21:51.16 | tekkub | QH is a bad example cause it's GPL or some shit |
| 21:51.19 | End | I dunno, it's in plain english though, and if if I let other people redistribute, and someone decides to charge for it while I offer it for free... |
| 21:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | "responce" just agitates me |
| 21:51.27 | tekkub | just used it cause it's their biggest bandwidth hog |
| 21:51.58 | Hirsute | Okay, the distributed free of charge clause pretty clearly specifies "Developers", which Curse is not, so there's no way for that to be applied to curse. |
| 21:52.19 | Hirsute | And that's the only clause that touches distribution. |
| 21:52.23 | End | does it actually say developers? I know the policy has developers in the titles |
| 21:52.28 | End | and |
| 21:52.37 | End | developer is not always the copyright holder |
| 21:52.44 | Hirsute | Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on. |
| 21:54.08 | End | they really didn't do a good job of proofreading it, did they... |
| 21:54.10 | Hirsute | So again, the only thing the UI policy could do in that case is give Blizz grounds to say, "Since this site provides no free access to the addons it distributes, we're disabling all addons hosted there. Developers who wish their addons to continue to work must stop distributing via that source" |
| 21:54.47 | Hirsute | End: I think it does exactly what they want it to do. It seems entirely targeted at addon Developers, and the only enforcement they've mentioned so far is confined to actions agains the addons themselves. |
| 21:55.11 | End | well, in that case, either you can't possibly allow so called "free" licenses, because you can't control redistribution :P |
| 21:55.40 | Maldivia | uhh, beta opt-in on battle.net... I'm slow today it seems |
| 21:55.49 | Hirsute | Exactly: So, I don't think they intend the policy to apply to entities that are only distribution addons. |
| 21:56.28 | End | shrugs. "I don't know." |
| 21:56.48 | Hirsute | *nod* That's my "IANAL" take on it. |
| 21:57.43 | Tem|work | WTB a feral druid |
| 21:57.47 | Tem|work | REAL, REAL bad |
| 21:58.16 | Pharaunmizz | I think leave the IP law to the lawyers >> |
| 21:58.21 | End | WTB druid |
| 21:58.25 | End | we have no druids in our raids |
| 21:58.26 | End | at all |
| 21:58.33 | foxlit | buy me! |
| 21:58.34 | Tem|work | we have a prot pally that we need to kick |
| 21:58.44 | foxlit | Not feral, though. |
| 21:58.51 | Tem|work | but we don't have any tanks to replace him with |
| 21:58.51 | End | foxlit: still a druid! |
| 21:58.58 | Hirsute | No, IP is the mess it is *because* it was left to the lawyers. |
| 21:59.10 | Tem|work | we don't have the bleed debuff in the raid |
| 21:59.19 | Tem|work | and our fury war is unreliable |
| 21:59.25 | Tem|work | so a feral is the best option |
| 21:59.36 | End | we don't have the motw buff in the raid |
| 21:59.43 | Tem|work | :( |
| 21:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | No druids at all? |
| 21:59.58 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. |
| 22:00.16 | Tem|work | oooh! |
| 22:00.20 | End | we've actually recruited one recently |
| 22:00.23 | End | but he hasn't shown up |
| 22:00.25 | Tem|work | KarlKFI: PING PING |
| 22:00.34 | End | and our only other druid has finals right now or something |
| 22:00.49 | End | it's been over a week since we last had a druid |
| 22:01.36 | Pharaunmizz | kk off now, cya |
| 22:01.39 | tekkub | you know what would be cool... |
| 22:01.51 | zenzelezz | ice cool! |
| 22:01.55 | KarlKFI | ? |
| 22:01.59 | End | ice is cool |
| 22:02.01 | tekkub | if someone made an index of all the addons WM is hosting, vs. al lthe ones they're still scraping |
| 22:02.03 | End | frozen even |
| 22:02.15 | tekkub | so we can call them on their bullshit |
| 22:02.31 | KarlKFI | Tem|work: PONG PONG |
| 22:02.44 | tekkub | and alert authors who might not want the ass-scraping |
| 22:02.59 | Fisker- | Anyone know that site that scrapes the armory for talent builds? |
| 22:03.20 | End | which |
| 22:03.23 | End | there's like five of them |
| 22:03.55 | End | (or more than five) |
| 22:03.59 | End | (I made up a number) |
| 22:04.22 | tekkub | who was it that ripped apart WM's code, shirik? |
| 22:04.48 | Hjalte | tekkub: Arrowmaster if I remember correctly. |
| 22:05.05 | tekkub | okey |
| 22:06.35 | Syzgyn | Hehe, this "FAQ" is amusing |
| 22:06.59 | nicoli_s | its blatant bullshit is what it is |
| 22:07.18 | nicoli_s | the wm people knew theyd get ripped to shreds if they communicated with the community in any way where we could ask questions |
| 22:07.35 | Syzgyn | of course |
| 22:09.43 | *** join/#wowuidev dustice (n=dustin@resnet-129-116-62-228.dorm.utexas.edu) |
| 22:10.23 | End | wow, the gem market is really falling apart on my server |
| 22:10.29 | End | and by falling apart I mean, there's gaps now |
| 22:10.43 | End | I can set whatever price I want because there's not enough supply |
| 22:11.23 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: pong |
| 22:11.28 | Shadowed | pong? |
| 22:11.33 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 22:11.37 | Shadowed | you mean Shirik I think |
| 22:11.40 | Gnarfoz | no ;) |
| 22:11.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Movix (n=Movix@mail.schiffmann.fr) |
| 22:11.45 | Gnarfoz | just wanted to confuse you :D |
| 22:11.48 | Syzgyn | My GM put up something like 130 Abyss crystals on the AH for 3g under the current price |
| 22:11.55 | Syzgyn | got alot of hate whispers for that one :P |
| 22:11.59 | End | lol |
| 22:12.02 | NightHawkTheSane | nice :) |
| 22:12.04 | Gnarfoz | are you syncing your SVN to curse (for Afflicted3, at least)? |
| 22:12.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i approve. |
| 22:12.37 | airtonix | lua> string.rep("·", 2) |
| 22:12.38 | lua_bot | airtonix: ·· |
| 22:12.43 | airtonix | lua> string.rep("·", 1) |
| 22:12.43 | lua_bot | airtonix: · |
| 22:12.44 | Shadowed | not really |
| 22:12.56 | Shadowed | I just have my script setup that pushes stuff to WoWI to push it to curse as well |
| 22:12.58 | airtonix | lua> print("|cff006699"..string.rep("·", c).."|r") |
| 22:12.58 | lua_bot | airtonix: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'rep' (number expected, got nil) |
| 22:13.16 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: that's what I meant, :) |
| 22:13.16 | airtonix | lua> print("|cff006699"..string.rep("·", 3).."|r") |
| 22:13.16 | lua_bot | airtonix: |cff006699···|r |
| 22:13.24 | Shadowed | then yes I am |
| 22:13.31 | Gnarfoz | *marks Afflicted3 to be updated by Curse Client* |
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| 22:20.02 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/pie2.png |
| 22:22.56 | zenzelezz | so, Slashdot comments on PHP6... comment/question: "are these ass clowns still planning on using \ for namespaces?" comment/answer: "Can you blame them for trying to escape?" |
| 22:23.23 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: the ring scale control is awkwardly placed |
| 22:23.43 | foxlit | Mm, how so? |
| 22:23.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I read the "Ring Scale (1.0)" text as being part of the 'Activate on left click' control at first, took me a sec to realize it was for the slider on the right |
| 22:24.05 | foxlit | (i.e. what would you expect it to line up with?) |
| 22:24.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys_ (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 22:24.37 | Syzgyn | http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=18&cols=18&id=pAwR6w2TgxY&startZoom=1 coolest site ever. |
| 22:24.37 | foxlit | I don't want to push the label above the slider, since that would just kill the vertical space. |
| 22:25.02 | Lunessa | damn you foxlit I was looking for PIE |
| 22:25.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah. Maybe a bit more space between that control and the two checkboxes above it? |
| 22:25.29 | Adys | Syzgyn: OLD |
| 22:25.33 | Adys | OLD VERY OLD OLD OLD |
| 22:25.34 | Syzgyn | Aww |
| 22:25.45 | Syzgyn | I just found it |
| 22:25.50 | Syzgyn | oh well |
| 22:25.53 | Adys | OOOOLLLLLLDDDDDDD |
| 22:25.54 | foxlit | I suppose I could move it further left, but that'd make it unaligned with the other checkbox label |
| 22:26.04 | Adys | http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/?p=1788 |
| 22:26.06 | Adys | was posted like |
| 22:26.08 | foxlit | Syzgyn: still awesome :) |
| 22:26.12 | Adys | at least 7 hours ago |
| 22:26.19 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 22:26.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i just meant move both down a bit, it'll increase the vertical size slightly, but give more visual separation between that control and the others |
| 22:26.41 | Adys | where did you get it linked from Syzgyn ? by curiousity |
| 22:26.51 | Syzgyn | digg :V |
| 22:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | also, I assume #cfgBlah# is just placeholder text? :P |
| 22:27.30 | foxlit | localization placeholder, yeah. |
| 22:27.59 | foxlit | I'm not sure why I bother, for there is really only one locale. |
| 22:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | I have discovered that I hate pastey. |
| 22:29.26 | foxlit | Could increase the top margin on the sliders -- wonder if that would solve anything |
| 22:33.11 | Dotted | throws a playstation at Thunder_Child |
| 22:34.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Pharaunmizz (n=dmoy@97-116-138-171.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 22:34.37 | Thunder_Child | Dotted, uh huh....and? |
| 22:34.48 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt answer the qestion |
| 22:35.07 | Dotted | where did you get that screenshit from ;o? |
| 22:35.10 | Dotted | lal |
| 22:35.14 | Dotted | nice typo :D |
| 22:35.38 | Thunder_Child | the link? or the ss? |
| 22:35.50 | Dotted | the ss |
| 22:36.07 | Thunder_Child | photobucket wasnt it? |
| 22:36.22 | Dotted | whats it doing there oO |
| 22:36.37 | Thunder_Child | you posted it there for the nircstats forum |
| 22:36.41 | Thunder_Child | mirc* |
| 22:36.52 | Thunder_Child | since you were having parsing problems |
| 22:36.57 | Dotted | aha |
| 22:37.25 | Thunder_Child | Dotted, http://forum.mircstats.net/viewtopic.php?t=626&highlight=nonamescript |
| 22:37.30 | Thunder_Child | i have the same issue :( |
| 22:38.07 | Dotted | are you stripping control codes? |
| 22:38.13 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 22:38.24 | Thunder_Child | but it still isnt happy with the deafult mirc |
| 22:38.28 | Thunder_Child | filter |
| 22:38.33 | Thunder_Child | default* |
| 22:38.56 | Dotted | not if you use nonamescript |
| 22:39.25 | Thunder_Child | and it craps out with the nns filter on their site |
| 22:39.36 | Dotted | that one is old |
| 22:39.48 | Dotted | you have to make it yourself |
| 22:39.51 | foxlit | For once, though, this has a proper Undo stack. |
| 22:39.54 | foxlit | <3 <3 |
| 22:39.56 | Thunder_Child | to lazy |
| 22:40.10 | Dotted | then you are out of luck |
| 22:40.17 | Thunder_Child | so it would seem |
| 22:40.22 | foxlit | [On the other hand, I still can't recover from a "set everything to defaults" invocation] |
| 22:40.40 | Adys | mirc... |
| 22:40.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you have a whole undo stack? :P or just a properly working 'cancel' button? :P |
| 22:41.08 | Dotted | shut it adys |
| 22:41.09 | Dewin | that yooouuuutuuube thing is nuts. Damn you Syzgyn http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=36&cols=36&search=feist&startZoom=1 |
| 22:41.10 | foxlit | The properly working cancel button uses an undo stack. |
| 22:41.12 | Dotted | damn frenchie |
| 22:41.28 | foxlit | I could expose it on a per-step basis, but that wouldn't be very interesting :) |
| 22:41.55 | Syzgyn | Dewin: Anything with long shots is great :) |
| 22:41.56 | foxlit | But getting it right across profiles and contexts == awesome. |
| 22:42.07 | Syzgyn | oooh |
| 22:42.08 | Syzgyn | idea |
| 22:42.53 | Dewin | Syzgyn: See the one I linked. |
| 22:42.58 | Syzgyn | I did |
| 22:43.27 | Syzgyn | http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=20&cols=20&id=QaRfxjcpYvM&startZoom=1 |
| 22:43.56 | Lunessa | "You didn't *just* come here to *****, you've been around just being all "Silent Bob". " ~Tekkub - I lawled. |
| 22:44.00 | Syzgyn | I dunno if you can top that |
| 22:44.12 | Dewin | Syzgyn: Was watching that one next already, lol |
| 22:44.30 | Dewin | I like the feist one better so far actually because of the weird blue lighting in the middle |
| 22:45.12 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk, Seerah or Shirik Is there any place I can find my "registered" date without posting? Will it reflect EQUI registration? |
| 22:50.17 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/05/06/now-it-can-be-yours-large-bejeweled-cross-on-a-stick |
| 22:50.27 | *** join/#wowuidev AbsolutRayne (n=chatzill@XPLR-MCI-74-127-239-30.barrettxplore.com) |
| 22:50.32 | AbsolutRayne | Need a good Tooltip Addon. And dont say TipTop cause its annoying me right now. |
| 22:50.45 | NightHawkTheSane | also, wtf.. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/05/06/at-least-she-didnt-twitter-it |
| 22:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: cowtip? |
| 22:52.21 | Lopeppeppy | LitheTooltipDoctor? |
| 22:52.42 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, TipTac? |
| 22:53.39 | Lunessa | says TipTop anyway, because it's a good tooltip AddOn. |
| 22:54.34 | Thunder_Child | "Building 31 North is one of the few buildings on earth constructed under Class 100 standardsit is a structure that can withstand 1000 years of water submersion, among other durability metrics that should not be tested this side of Armageddon." |
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| 22:54.50 | Thunder_Child | win, where can i get one? |
| 22:55.11 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: personally, I'm waiting for six degrees of separation between reported story and original report. |
| 22:55.25 | Tuller | Syzgyn: I see your feist and raise you a creed: http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=36&cols=36&search=creed&startZoom=1 |
| 22:55.31 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: Did they actually test it with 1000 years of water submersion? |
| 22:55.35 | Dewin | it was my feist. |
| 22:56.03 | Syzgyn | Tuller: well played sir |
| 22:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: hehe, I just like viewing news through the lens of The Stranger. :P |
| 22:57.29 | Lunessa | Tuller: No one loves Scott Stap that much. |
| 22:57.45 | Lunessa | Well, maybe Scott Stap |
| 22:58.02 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, yes |
| 22:58.17 | Dewin | oh god no http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=36&cols=36&search=numa%20numa&startZoom=1 |
| 22:59.42 | Lunessa | will never click on those links again. My brain hurts. |
| 23:00.39 | Syzgyn | Hahaha |
| 23:01.40 | foxlit | What is it about "Zoom Out" that reduces the whole thing to a slideshow? |
| 23:02.09 | *** join/#wowuidev d87_ (n=x@host89-251-107-29.hnet.ru) |
| 23:02.13 | Syzgyn | Dunno |
| 23:02.23 | Syzgyn | maybe you need a super beefy PC to run it at that point |
| 23:02.23 | foxlit | Or panning |
| 23:02.37 | foxlit | Though, to be fair, I'm not even sure what it's doing. |
| 23:03.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I -believe- it's displaying the video frame-by-frame |
| 23:03.22 | Dewin | it is. |
| 23:03.29 | AbsolutRayne | Im really hateful towards tooltips atm, since I cant seem to edit the size of specific lines of texts, rather than all of it at the same time. In effect, I end up with a blurry massive title and normal text, or a normal title and tiny blurry text. |
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| 23:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Normally it's 'zoomed in' and 'tracking', meaning the screen follows allong where it's currently playikng |
| 23:03.44 | NightHawkTheSane | While zoomed out, you're seeing every frame. |
| 23:03.55 | Dewin | not every frame, just 36*36 of them (change rows and cols in the URL) |
| 23:03.58 | NightHawkTheSane | While panning, you're freely able to drag/pan across the layed out frames |
| 23:04.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: close enough. :P |
| 23:04.18 | foxlit | In short, tracking just plays x/2 y/2 at an offset |
| 23:04.39 | Dewin | It also scales correctly to the video size rather than stretching it to fit |
| 23:05.24 | Dewin | I'm going back to work now, you all suck for distracting me. :-p |
| 23:05.34 | Pneumatus | yoooooooutuuuuuube is pro for watching videos you cant watch in certain countries |
| 23:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 23:05.55 | AbsolutRayne | So basically, my Tooltips end up like this: http://i41.tinypic.com/2ahuzrl.jpg |
| 23:06.01 | AbsolutRayne | Which hurts my braaaaaaaaaaaaaain |
| 23:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... I never show spell info in tooltips, I've not noticed tooltip issues. |
| 23:06.57 | Thunder_Child | 5/6/2009 4:06:22 PMA:\GAMES\STEAM\STEAM.EXEProcess seems to be a P2P worm (Worm.P2P.generic)" |
| 23:07.02 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 23:07.26 | Thunder_Child | 5/6/2009 4:06:22 PM A:\GAMES\STEAM\STEAM.EXE Process seems to be a P2P worm (Worm.P2P.generic)* |
| 23:07.34 | Lunessa | Seriously? Pixel Fonts are the work of SATAN |
| 23:07.47 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: Shoo |
| 23:08.04 | Lunessa | Use a different font for your tooltip |
| 23:08.46 | AbsolutRayne | Im flipping through Ishtaras giant SharedMedia folder |
| 23:08.49 | AbsolutRayne | looking for something I like |
| 23:09.22 | Lopeppeppy | I just use FritzQuadratta. |
| 23:10.11 | Tuller | so, does GetItemInfo('name') no longe return stuff? |
| 23:10.45 | foxlit | I'm sure it still does. |
| 23:10.46 | AbsolutRayne | I should put Silkscreen for my Tooltips, they were always so clean ;_; |
| 23:11.19 | Tuller | http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=36&cols=36&id=JzqumbhfxRo&startZoom=1 |
| 23:11.45 | Adys | hehe |
| 23:11.47 | Adys | good memories |
| 23:12.56 | AbsolutRayne | Anyway |
| 23:14.49 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://i40.tinypic.com/2mrw4te.jpg From a healers standpoint. should the ToT Frame be the same color as the Target Frame, or should I keep them seperate? |
| 23:14.52 | Syzgyn | Tuller: Dear god thats pretty trippy |
| 23:15.07 | Tuller | its mario paint with video now |
| 23:15.27 | AbsolutRayne | Tuller: Gave me a headache to look at @_@ |
| 23:18.03 | Tuller | whee, armory addon support for bagnon partially compelte |
| 23:18.32 | *** join/#wowuidev RockSlicer (n=kvirc@c-71-203-61-61.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:18.51 | Shadowed | WowMatrix FAQ A++ |
| 23:19.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc1 (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-167-195-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:24.54 | Lunessa | Tuller: As in "Armory (the AddOn) will be able to read my Baganon info" ? |
| 23:25.07 | Tuller | try the reverse |
| 23:26.13 | Tuller | bagnon/combuctor will be able to use bagnon_armory instead of bagnon_forever to pull info from the armory addon |
| 23:26.48 | Lunessa | Ah. Nice. |
| 23:27.51 | Lunessa | <3 bagnon_forever - kept it installed even if I used nothing else. |
| 23:28.48 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit|mac (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 23:29.24 | Tuller | this is mainly my answer to people who want guildbank support |
| 23:29.48 | Tuller | (hey, just use this, and you don't have to use bagnon_forever if you're worried about duplication) |
| 23:31.27 | AbsolutRayne | I need to add a hidden Mount Bar somewhere... |
| 23:31.29 | AbsolutRayne | hrm |
| 23:33.31 | Lunessa | Tuller: Guildbank support is overrated. |
| 23:33.46 | Tuller | hence why i'm not worried about it |
| 23:34.07 | Hjalte | BankItems does guild bank as well, and it -is- nice :) |
| 23:36.32 | Lunessa | I need to install Ludwig again. |
| 23:36.42 | AbsolutRayne | So is the WoW Forum Search totally busted or is it just me? |
| 23:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | What does Ludwig do for you, Lunessa? |
| 23:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, it's been busted for a good long while now. |
| 23:37.06 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Rawr answer mah Q! |
| 23:37.07 | Tuller | the wow forum search works 1/5 days of the week |
| 23:37.11 | Lunessa | Tuller's Ludwig keeps a list of all the item links you've seen. |
| 23:37.15 | Lopeppeppy | Where's your Q, dearest? |
| 23:39.48 | Lopeppeppy | cannot find an AbsolutRayne posting. |
| 23:39.53 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: <AbsolutRayne>Lopeppeppy: http://i40.tinypic.com/2mrw4te.jpg From a healers standpoint. should the ToT Frame be the same color as the Target Frame, or should I keep them seperate? |
| 23:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | Color doesn't matter, but that puppy has to be bigger. I can't reliably mouse over that tiny strip and heal them. |
| 23:41.54 | foxlit|mac | 1. Target mob. 2. ??? 3. Press f. 4. Victory! |
| 23:42.18 | Lopeppeppy | Not always, foxlit|mac. I know there's tons of macros out there, but I want to be able to target every unit frame on my screen reliably. |
| 23:42.19 | Lopeppeppy | Every time. |
| 23:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | I'm just fussy about flexibility that way. :P |
| 23:42.43 | foxlit|mac | (f is the default assist key) |
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| 23:48.08 | kamdis | Rayne: OMG devil's work! |
| 23:48.10 | kamdis | <3 |
| 23:51.48 | AbsolutRayne | Someone get me a cross |
| 23:52.26 | Lunessa | hands AbsolutRayne a cross. |
| 23:52.33 | Lunessa | is aka Unkle. |
| 23:53.01 | Kirov | WoWMatrix is playing the victim card very well. |
| 23:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oh for serious, Kirov. *nod nod* |
| 23:53.17 | Torhal | They'r eplaying the lying bastards card equally as well. |
| 23:53.19 | AbsolutRayne | Kirov: Is that like a Flash Card? |
| 23:53.30 | Torhal | s/They'r e/They're / |
| 23:53.40 | NeoTron | man they are the victims. evil curse and wowi broken them when all they wanted was to play nice |
| 23:54.04 | foxlit|mac | /care |
| 23:54.11 | Torhal | They even acknowledge in their FAQ that they were incurring huge costs for WoWI/Curse. |
| 23:54.14 | Lunessa | It's not "playing nice" when I piss on your head and tell you it's raining. |
| 23:54.17 | Torhal | facepalms. |
| 23:54.22 | foxlit|mac | It'll only get interesting once they actually launch a proper hosting site, which they'll probably have to do. |
| 23:55.06 | Lopeppeppy | They sort of are already, foxlit, but with... interesting old versions of some addons. |
| 23:55.23 | *** join/#wowuidev gecofv (n=gecofv@glh202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:55.26 | Torhal | And once again they're putting their users to work, asking them to submit addons. |
| 23:55.30 | foxlit|mac | "We are also in the process of coming up with an author admin area where you will be able to login and upload new versions of your AddOns to our servers at any time. Over time we will be adding new features including statistics tracking and a helpdesk system for your users." |
| 23:56.05 | AbsolutRayne | In b4 Too little, far too late. |
| 23:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | this from the site that claims it has been ready to fully host addons since day 1. |
| 23:56.44 | foxlit|mac | Hence the /care, and deffering interest until they actually finish that. |
| 23:58.36 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/104242890 |
| 23:58.38 | theorbtwo | OTOH, they seem to be claiming that in a little while, they'll be able to do what wowi and curse already do. |
| 23:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | Good for them if they can. I won't touch them with someone else's computer, and I'll never list them as a site I recommend when giving advice on the UI/Macro forum. |
| 23:59.32 | Codayus | Just like the other sites...except with massive reserves of ill will. :-p |
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| 23:59.33 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 23:59.47 | NeoTron | except from users |
| 23:59.56 | NeoTron | who believe the "poor victimized wowmatrix" |
| 23:59.57 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: I certianly wouldn't, if anybody had any reason to care what I recommended. |
