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| 00:04.10 | Lunessa | This is why I don't work in a computer repair shop any longer. :) |
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| 00:09.47 | Kraftman | whats wrong with local valshort = val:match("%\(.-)%.tga") to match a texture name, with or without the first % |
| 00:10.50 | tekkub | is ".-" valid lua patterns? |
| 00:10.58 | Adys | no |
| 00:11.02 | Kraftman | oh |
| 00:11.05 | tekkub | lua's regexps aren't "regular" remember :P |
| 00:11.09 | Adys | .%- |
| 00:11.13 | NightHawkTheSane | why not? |
| 00:11.28 | NightHawkTheSane | .- should be fine, jsut the non-greedy version of .* yes? |
| 00:11.37 | Kraftman | thats what i hoped |
| 00:11.44 | tekkub | lua doesn't have a non-greedy anything |
| 00:11.47 | Kraftman | it cuts off the .tga fine |
| 00:11.47 | Adys | er |
| 00:11.48 | Adys | yeah |
| 00:11.55 | Kraftman | but it keeps the rest of the file path |
| 00:12.17 | tekkub | simplest route: "[^>]+>" |
| 00:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | according to wowwiki, that it does.. http://www.wowwiki.com/Pattern_matching |
| 00:12.25 | tekkub | assuming > is the char you're after |
| 00:12.26 | Adys | tekkub: nice kirby there |
| 00:13.27 | Kraftman | the file path its running the match on is "Interface\\AddOns\\Buffed!\\Flat.tga" |
| 00:14.41 | Kraftman | so i just want the word 'Flat' |
| 00:15.36 | tekkub | "\([^\\]+)%.tga" |
| 00:15.48 | bleeter | kd3: so I hear, if you have the Patron title and are a priest, and put the guardian angel thingy on someone... you lose the Patron title on your death and gain the Matron title on your guardian thingy's death |
| 00:15.51 | Adys | import sys |
| 00:15.52 | Kirov | "([^\\]+)%.[Tt][Gg][Aa]$" |
| 00:15.54 | Adys | er os. |
| 00:16.06 | Kraftman | thanks |
| 00:16.10 | Kirov | tekkub - why would you need the first \ |
| 00:16.30 | tekkub | *shrug* just to be sure? |
| 00:16.31 | bleeter | kd3: female DKs with ghouls out on death apparently have similar issues =)) |
| 00:16.35 | Kirov | [^\\/] might be needed for completeness |
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| 00:16.56 | Adys | you dont need to escape \ |
| 00:16.57 | Adys | in a [] |
| 00:17.04 | tekkub | yes, you does |
| 00:17.10 | Adys | no you doesn't |
| 00:17.14 | tekkub | I just ran it without and it errors |
| 00:17.22 | Adys | maybe it doesnt error |
| 00:17.24 | Adys | but you dont need to do it |
| 00:17.27 | Kraftman | worked perfect, thanks :) |
| 00:17.39 | tekkub | bin\lua-wow.exe: Ampere.lua:3: malformed pattern (missing ']') |
| 00:17.48 | Kirov | Adys - [^\t] vs [^\\] |
| 00:17.54 | Kirov | escaped characters still work |
| 00:18.00 | Adys | fail |
| 00:18.03 | Adys | fail fail fail |
| 00:18.29 | tekkub | either way, lua's irregular expressions suck |
| 00:18.33 | Adys | yeh |
| 00:18.41 | Adys | i just got the pun |
| 00:18.43 | Kirov | lua> ("My\\Random\\Test\\String.tga"):match("([^\\/]+)%.tga") |
| 00:18.44 | lua_bot | Kirov: String |
| 00:18.48 | Kirov | lawl |
| 00:19.10 | Kirov | lua> ("My\\Random\\Test\\String.tga"):match("([^\/]+)%.tga") |
| 00:19.10 | lua_bot | Kirov: My\Random\Test\String |
| 00:19.16 | Kirov | BAM, broken |
| 00:19.34 | Adys | u mom is broek |
| 00:19.47 | tekkub | lua> ("My\\Random\\Test\\String.tga"):match("([^\\/]+)%.tga") |
| 00:19.48 | lua_bot | tekkub: String |
| 00:19.52 | Kirov | This is true, doesn't get around the issue that you need to escape |
| 00:20.18 | Kirov | lua> ("My\\Random\\Test\\String.tga"):match([[([^\/]+)%.tga]]) |
| 00:20.18 | lua_bot | Kirov: String |
| 00:20.36 | tekkub | \ should be the only char that needs escpaed in [] blocks though |
| 00:20.48 | tekkub | well and special ones like \n |
| 00:21.00 | Kirov | the escape for the \ has nothing to with regexp [ ], it's lua strings need it. |
| 00:21.28 | tekkub | *ponder* |
| 00:21.29 | Adys | lua> ("foo-bar"):match("[-]") |
| 00:21.30 | lua_bot | Adys: - |
| 00:21.33 | Adys | yep |
| 00:21.36 | Adys | lua> ("foo-bar"):match("-") |
| 00:21.37 | lua_bot | Adys: - |
| 00:21.37 | tekkub | lua> ("My\\Random\\Test\\String.tga"):match([[([^\/]+)%.tga]]) |
| 00:21.38 | lua_bot | tekkub: String |
| 00:21.39 | Adys | oh. |
| 00:21.48 | tekkub | yup, it's the stirng not the regexp |
| 00:21.51 | Adys | since when doesnt - need escaping? |
| 00:22.09 | Kirov | because lua match regexp doesn't have a - |
| 00:22.16 | Kirov | ? |
| 00:22.18 | Kirov | (guess) |
| 00:22.20 | Adys | why does it error in wow ? |
| 00:22.25 | tekkub | because there was no char before it |
| 00:22.26 | Adys | did blizz fiddle with it |
| 00:22.29 | Adys | right |
| 00:22.34 | Kirov | ah |
| 00:22.39 | tekkub | lua> ("foo-bar"):match("o-") |
| 00:22.39 | Adys | wow |
| 00:22.39 | lua_bot | tekkub: No output |
| 00:22.40 | Adys | just fail |
| 00:22.44 | Adys | >>> None |
| 00:22.50 | Adys | cide's bot not up |
| 00:22.58 | Kraftman | yeh lua regex is dif to wow regex :( |
| 00:23.09 | tekkub | ... |
| 00:23.10 | Kirov | lua> ("foo-bar"):match("\-") |
| 00:23.10 | lua_bot | Kirov: - |
| 00:23.31 | Adys | >>> re.search("*", "*") |
| 00:23.31 | tekkub | lua> ("foo-bar"):match("o%-") |
| 00:23.31 | Adys | sre_constants.error: nothing to repeat |
| 00:23.31 | lua_bot | tekkub: o- |
| 00:23.34 | Adys | see |
| 00:23.41 | Adys | thats the correct behaviour |
| 00:23.44 | Adys | not irregular shiz |
| 00:23.47 | tekkub | lua regexp escape is % not \ |
| 00:24.07 | tekkub | the STRING escape is \ |
| 00:24.20 | Kirov | tekkub - though, oddly "\-" still works because an escaped - is still an - |
| 00:24.20 | Jamash | ^ |
| 00:24.22 | Adys | how was - even escaped... |
| 00:24.22 | tekkub | another big reason it's note real regexps |
| 00:24.32 | Adys | >>> "\-" |
| 00:24.32 | Adys | '\\-' |
| 00:24.33 | tekkub | lua> ("foo-bar"):match("-") |
| 00:24.33 | lua_bot | tekkub: - |
| 00:24.38 | tekkub | Kirov: ^ |
| 00:24.52 | Adys | ugh |
| 00:24.55 | Adys | this is headache materia |
| 00:24.56 | KarlKFI | >lua> ("foo-bar"):match(".-") |
| 00:24.56 | Adys | l |
| 00:25.03 | KarlKFI | lua> ("foo-bar"):match(".-") |
| 00:25.04 | lua_bot | KarlKFI: No output |
| 00:25.11 | tekkub | stop trying to understand lua ireegexp |
| 00:25.20 | tekkub | just find a pattern that works and forget about it |
| 00:25.25 | Adys | hahah |
| 00:25.29 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 00:25.36 | Kirov | yeah, that usually works. |
| 00:26.10 | Kirov | Though, personally I find a couple of patterns and then run them through 100000 iterations to see which one is the fastest. |
| 00:26.25 | Adys | whatever |
| 00:26.30 | tekkub | there was a POSTIX regexp library out there, but attempts to persuade the Blues that we needed it failed |
| 00:26.31 | kd3 | whee. had forgotten how loud my dvd burner is |
| 00:26.36 | KarlKFI | it's almost as annoying as the GNU subset of perl regex that's missing all the good stuff |
| 00:26.42 | Kirov | Then I make sure to use the slowest because it looks nicer. |
| 00:26.45 | Adys | POSTIX? |
| 00:26.52 | Adys | is that the UNIX version of POST TITS? |
| 00:27.05 | tekkub | s/T// |
| 00:27.08 | tekkub | :P |
| 00:27.13 | Kirov | My favorite regexp is for Maya's MEL |
| 00:27.13 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.21 | Kirov | fucktasticly worthless. |
| 00:27.25 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/stupidity-exemplified/393 - the note at the end is pure win. |
| 00:27.30 | tekkub | I always seem to add a t to that |
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| 00:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious - can anyone reply to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903650879&sid=1 ? |
| 00:30.04 | kd3 | it's locked |
| 00:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | tricky |
| 00:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | As it is not locked according to the forum index |
| 00:31.42 | Lunessa | Yeah, something tells me those icons - they're not automatic. |
| 00:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got my bets elsewhere |
| 00:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely that the post limit was reduced to 36 :) |
| 00:33.26 | Dashkal | would love if the mods started locking WM threads on sight |
| 00:33.48 | Dashkal | s/WM/(WM|Curse|Wowi|DRAMA!)/ |
| 00:34.02 | Kraftman | or banning players that say things like 'lol i love leaching t3h bandwidths!' |
| 00:34.20 | Adys | or removed forum alts. |
| 00:34.23 | Dashkal | That too, but I'm trying not to read their messages lest I get myself banned for trolling |
| 00:34.52 | Dashkal | Just make them (threads) die. Offtopic. |
| 00:34.55 | Kraftman | i wish they would merge the EU and US macro forums tbh :( |
| 00:35.20 | Adys | then it would be filled with people from US trying to communicate to EU |
| 00:35.25 | Adys | and vice versa |
| 00:35.31 | Kraftman | hmm |
| 00:35.35 | Kraftman | im not so sure |
| 00:35.39 | Lunessa | If they tighten the reins on behavior much more, I may have to stop posting entirely. |
| 00:36.08 | Dashkal | " * The NPCs just inside the front entrance of Ulduar (like a repair ogre) should no longer despawn. " *cheer* |
| 00:36.18 | kd3 | yay |
| 00:36.29 | Kirov | Most of the EU macro forums I've seen are in english |
| 00:36.36 | Kraftman | indeed |
| 00:37.07 | Kraftman | they are generally pretty boring compared with yours |
| 00:37.41 | Kirov | That and most americans are worse at typing than those who have english as a second language, so apart from extra "u"s in words I don't think it'd change much. |
| 00:38.03 | Kirov | Though, Blizzard might count it as cross faction communication and ban the forums. |
| 00:38.04 | Lunessa | That's because they don't have me, alestane, peppy, kamdis, and the cast and crew of the channel kibitzing. |
| 00:39.24 | Jamash | am I cast or crew? |
| 00:40.28 | Kirov | roadie? |
| 00:41.53 | bleeter | Kraftman: well odd things happen when I try to log in to EU forums with my US Bnet account... so.. it may eventually be possible ;) |
| 00:41.56 | Lunessa | crew. |
| 00:42.07 | Kraftman | nice |
| 00:42.17 | bleeter | 'Do not have an account authorised for this zone' or similar |
| 00:42.22 | Kraftman | i can see why they wouldnt merge any other forums, but macros/UI |
| 00:42.28 | bleeter | bug |
| 00:42.30 | Kraftman | 's are not area specific* |
| 00:42.31 | bleeter | and suggestions |
| 00:43.17 | kd3 | yay, five whole lines of UI changes this PTR build |
| 00:43.46 | bleeter | [flying] in Dalaran fixed? |
| 00:43.59 | kd3 | I wish |
| 00:44.11 | Lunessa | .... Is the thing blue? http://notalwaysright.com/de-ting-de-ting/308 |
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| 00:45.49 | bleeter | kd3: furbolg /dance ? |
| 00:46.09 | bleeter | no? i really dunno why Blizz bother ;) |
| 00:46.31 | Kirov | Lunessa - Almost recreated. thing red. |
| 00:46.59 | Lunessa | Kirov: I think I need one of those shirts. |
| 00:47.12 | Lunessa | Or to start a new business: http://notalwaysright.com/the-dog-isnt-the-one-that-needs-to-get-neutered/1208 |
| 00:48.25 | Kirov | prostitute dogs ... sadly, they sell effectively blow up dolls for dogs. |
| 00:48.53 | Kirov | "Dog companions" |
| 00:50.18 | Lunessa | ... I think I could have gone my entire life without ever having known a) that such a thing existed, b) that someone conceived a need for it, c) some people are dumb enough to actually purchase them. |
| 01:01.19 | kd3 | sighs |
| 01:01.42 | kd3 | so I get a box in the mail today... open it up and start pulling stuff out of it. the instant I turn my back there's now a cat in the box |
| 01:02.07 | Osagasu | Cats. |
| 01:02.07 | Osagasu | <3 |
| 01:02.40 | nicoli_s | thatll happen |
| 01:02.47 | kd3 | apparently she likes the static electricity the packing peanuts are giving her fur |
| 01:03.24 | Kraftman | i think its probably something much more paradoxical than that |
| 01:03.51 | Dagmar | What the hell man |
| 01:04.01 | Dagmar | Did you just get the cat yesterday? |
| 01:04.05 | Dagmar | It's a BOX... |
| 01:04.11 | Dagmar | ...and it's filled with PACKING PEANUTS. |
| 01:04.38 | Dagmar | You might as well act suprised that crackheads show up on your lawn when you hang a crack rock the size of a melon over your birdbath. |
| 01:04.46 | Lunessa | But if you don't look, is there really a cat in the box? |
| 01:04.48 | kd3 | oh, I know. still, it usually takes her a little longer to notice that she's got a new toy |
| 01:04.53 | kd3 | yes, I can hear her |
| 01:04.54 | tekkub | damn that styrofoam, it kills your superpowers |
| 01:04.59 | Dagmar | They call it "boxhab" for a reason |
| 01:05.27 | sacarasc | What type of melon, Dagmar? |
| 01:05.48 | Lunessa | But it is the act of observation which collapses the probability waveforms into the actual cat, box, and packing peantus. |
| 01:06.12 | Dagmar | Considering the analogy involves a cat, let's say a watermelon, and it's got three spotlights and a couple of strobes pointed at it. |
| 01:06.37 | sacarasc | That's a big crack rock. |
| 01:06.48 | Dagmar | There's hundreds of thousands of pictures of cats on deep box binges all over the web |
| 01:06.56 | Lunessa | Tell him about the twinkie. |
| 01:07.18 | nicoli_s | please no alogies |
| 01:07.23 | nicoli_s | analogies* |
| 01:07.28 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=boxhab |
| 01:07.47 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: you've let those /2 miscreants give you trauma |
| 01:08.04 | Dagmar | Can't even reliably type "anal" anymore. So sad. |
| 01:08.05 | nicoli_s | i have |
| 01:12.46 | Duman | hmm |
| 01:13.01 | Duman | forums are in pain |
| 01:24.47 | End | oh that's fun |
| 01:24.52 | End | my warlock is stuck in VoA |
| 01:25.33 | End | "A character with that name already exists." |
| 01:25.40 | End | I blame dalaran |
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| 01:50.17 | |Jelly| | http://www.pastey.net/113604 gotta love pugs |
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| 01:51.46 | Lunessa | Cruel bastard. |
| 01:51.54 | Elly | haha |
| 01:52.01 | Kraps | so i played lotro |
| 01:52.11 | Elly | "Yeah, we finished Ulduar, but we kept really quiet about it." |
| 01:52.13 | Wobin | did you have a loregasm? |
| 01:52.27 | Kraps | Wobin: who me? |
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| 01:52.41 | Wobin | that's about all lotro can offer nowadays =P |
| 01:52.57 | Wobin | oh and player housing |
| 01:53.24 | Kraps | nah, my lotr lore is limited to what i can remember from the movies |
| 01:54.02 | Kraps | which were epic no doubt |
| 01:54.44 | Kraps | anyway, wow needs player models like those |
| 01:55.00 | Corrodias | when i saw the first movie, my memory of the books was good enough to identify differences |
| 01:55.10 | Corrodias | the next year, it had faded enough that i couldn't any more |
| 01:55.14 | Corrodias | for the next movie |
| 01:55.42 | Wobin | my random hobbit model |
| 01:55.50 | Wobin | looked -exactly- like Judi Dench |
| 01:55.54 | Wobin | So that's what I named her |
| 01:57.08 | Kraps | it lacks epicness; elf town a 2 minute run from a dwarf town? :p |
| 01:58.43 | Kraps | its also very easy to NOT die |
| 01:58.48 | Wobin | Kraps: ugh, the runs were too far at times |
| 01:58.52 | Dagmar | NUMLOCK = win! |
| 01:59.04 | Wobin | thank god for being a hunter |
| 01:59.20 | Wobin | the hunter teleport was the BEST THING EVER |
| 02:00.47 | Kraps | i made a champion; if you ever need someone to unconsciously pick the non-magic melee dps in any game, ask me :/ |
| 02:01.24 | Kraps | warrior was my first wow toon |
| 02:02.32 | Kraps | and is it just me or are there only 12ish servers in lotro? |
| 02:03.33 | Wobin | it's not a huge population |
| 02:04.34 | Kraps | goes hunting for other free trials |
| 02:04.50 | Iriel | There's probably some more time on the awful Chronicles of Spellborn |
| 02:05.02 | Iriel | And maybe still 10 days of Warhammer online free |
| 02:05.07 | Iriel | (That's kind of fun) |
| 02:05.30 | Elly | is LOTR Online any good? |
| 02:05.33 | Kraps | never heard of Chronicles of Spellborn |
| 02:05.59 | Iriel | I found LOTRO stunningly mediocre, but I only played it late beta / launch |
| 02:06.08 | Iriel | I didn't renew after my first month |
| 02:06.34 | Kraps | AoC has a 7 day |
| 02:06.34 | Wobin | CoS was that WoW ripoff, isn't it? |
| 02:06.49 | Wobin | AoC is worth a look |
| 02:07.07 | Iriel | CoS is just.. wierd |
| 02:07.19 | Elly | I haven't come anywhere close to seeing all of WoW yet, so I'll stick with it :) |
| 02:07.39 | Iriel | It's trying to pass itself off as "Freemium" but it's basically "play free until level 7 then you have to pay, by the way your class defining skills start at 10, 11, and 16" |
| 02:07.49 | Kraps | Elly: what level are you? |
| 02:07.54 | Elly | 62 |
| 02:07.56 | Wobin | Iriel: oh, that PA comic, eh? |
| 02:08.33 | Iriel | Wobin: That's the one, I fear poor Tycho sees far too much in their restrictive action bar system too, in reality it's kind of an impediment |
| 02:08.38 | Kraps | Elly: yeah stick with wow for now :) |
| 02:09.13 | Kraps | i'm just looking cuz i'm kinda meh on wow right now |
| 02:09.34 | Kraps | Iriel: what CoS? |
| 02:09.48 | Iriel | Wobin: If they were going for say the $5/mo. crowd I think they'd have had something interesting to say, but it's $15/mo, and really, it's deluded if it thinks it's on the same part as WoW et al. |
| 02:09.56 | Iriel | Kraps: The Chronicles of Spellborn, www.tcos.com, I think |
| 02:11.01 | Iriel | What I find hilarious about trying any new MMO, is that 50-75% of the general channel chatter is a bunch of fanboys going on about how WoW sucks so much and how the game of the day is infinitely superior. |
| 02:11.24 | Corrodias | sigh |
| 02:11.45 | Kraps | Iriel: lol |
| 02:12.00 | Iriel | My favorite are the folks who are like "I've played wow since launch, but this game (which has been out for 2 weeks) is SO awesome, i'm going to play this forever" |
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| 02:12.14 | Corrodias | smirk |
| 02:12.20 | Iriel | I absolutely honestly saw someone say "I could get old with this game" on TCoS |
| 02:12.25 | AbsolutRayne | WoW Forums go Kaboom |
| 02:12.26 | AbsolutRayne | :< |
| 02:12.28 | Kraps | does lotro have global chat channels? |
| 02:12.41 | Iriel | I dont remember |
| 02:13.40 | Wobin | no |
| 02:13.46 | Wobin | I... don't recall so |
| 02:13.53 | Kraps | when does a free trial start, when you log in or download? |
| 02:14.01 | Iriel | For which game? |
| 02:14.02 | Wobin | log in, no doubt |
| 02:14.12 | Iriel | For Warhammer it starts when you sign up |
| 02:14.13 | Wobin | actually, I'm not sure on that |
| 02:14.27 | Wobin | I liked WHO |
| 02:14.38 | Iriel | I like it too, I still have an active subscription for that |
| 02:14.43 | Wobin | it got me through the end of BC =) |
| 02:15.12 | Wobin | and it was... I dunno, more technical than LotrO |
| 02:15.22 | Wobin | I could develop a strategy for skill usage in WHO |
| 02:15.22 | Lunessa | I had problems with lotr being made into a game... 1) It would never be as good as the novel or even the movie, b) Hearing fanbois call each other n00b or dewd in Middle Earth would make me want to be Gollum. |
| 02:15.31 | Wobin | LoTRO was all... "Mash buttons, wiggle joystick" |
| 02:15.38 | Kraps | i tried Free Realms... |
| 02:15.40 | Kraps | :/ |
| 02:15.52 | Wobin | Kraps: Got your money's worth? =) |
| 02:16.36 | Kraps | it was like WHOA UI OVERLOAD |
| 02:17.15 | Kraps | WITH HUGE BUTTONS |
| 02:17.28 | Wobin | until an mmorpg exposes it's api like WoW does |
| 02:17.40 | Wobin | I doubt I'll be switching anytime soon |
| 02:17.45 | Wobin | WHO almost did |
| 02:17.54 | Dagmar | Unoriginal minigames for kids, wrapped in an MMO-like overstructure is what it is |
| 02:18.13 | Dagmar | It's almost impressive how studiously Sony worked at *not* doing anything original with FreeRealms |
| 02:18.17 | AbsolutRayne | Someone with Blade Ward transfer to KJ so I get get it please, ive been spamming all day to no avail. |
| 02:18.43 | Lunessa | There's a company doing an MMO of Warhammer 40,000 and I'm praying it doesn't suck... 'cause I want a good SF MMO and I like the setting. |
| 02:19.01 | Iriel | Dagmar: innovation might open them up to risk of liability! Best play it safe!! |
| 02:19.09 | Wobin | Iriel: >< |
| 02:19.09 | Iriel | Lunessa: WE do need a good SF MMO |
| 02:19.36 | Iriel | Seed had some promise, but died (I suspect it wouldnt' have been many peoples' cup of tea) |
| 02:19.40 | Iriel | Eve is.. well, SF but not |
| 02:19.42 | Kraps | Gaia Online was win before i found wow :DD |
| 02:19.43 | Lunessa | Yes. Totally. And not an abstracted one like Eve. I want to play a character. |
| 02:20.05 | Dagmar | Iriel: I also find it amusing they muffed their launch date for this--and they didn't even advertise any fixed launch date beyond that the site itself Monday said "We're down for maintenance until Tuesday when we release!" |
| 02:20.05 | Iriel | Jumpgate Evolution may be cool, I enjoyed jumpgate a lot, but it didn't have quite enough depth |
| 02:20.17 | Dagmar | Late Wednesday afternoon they got it running |
| 02:20.36 | Lunessa | Hell, I signed up for the beta of Champions-Online - even though it's the same team that did City of Heroes/Villains. |
| 02:20.42 | Dagmar | Kraps: Ever been to the Computers * Technology forum on Gaia? |
| 02:20.47 | Iriel | I've got a beta sign up in for champions too |
| 02:20.50 | Kraps | no why? |
| 02:20.51 | Iriel | CoH was awesome for a while |
| 02:21.01 | Dagmar | Kraps: Oh, you'd have recognized my 'nym |
| 02:21.09 | Lunessa | Iriel: Yeah, like 6 months. |
| 02:21.27 | Kraps | Dagmar: havent been in a while |
| 02:21.36 | Iriel | Lunessa: was that when wow launched? 8-) |
| 02:21.51 | Dagmar | Kraps: I made a lot of those kiddies *hate* me because when they'd say something insane like "You should be looking for a burner with triple-layer media support" I'd be there to straighten it out |
| 02:21.55 | Lunessa | Iriel: Sort of. I was bored already. I was a CoH beta tester. |
| 02:22.13 | Dagmar | I really didn't care for the amount of deranged misinformation those people were tossing back and forth to each other |
| 02:22.19 | Iriel | Lunessa: Ah, I went SWG (Live) -> CoH (Live) -> WoW (late beta) |
| 02:22.31 | Iriel | (with considerable overlap between all 3) |
| 02:22.37 | Lunessa | Iriel: I'm sorry you were subjected to SSW;G |
| 02:23.03 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.04 | Iriel | I mostly ignored the quest part of the game and had fun with colony construction and the economy stuff |
| 02:23.11 | Iriel | which was fairly nifty |
| 02:23.12 | Lunessa | I played EQ (what the HELL was I thinking???), DAoC/UO, and then CoH, WoW. |
| 02:23.33 | Iriel | I started with DAoC, there's a sprinking of AC2 in there as well |
| 02:23.45 | Jamash | I vowed never to play an mmo |
| 02:23.45 | Iriel | And some AO |
| 02:23.50 | Jamash | then I got a WoW beta invite :-/ |
| 02:23.57 | Iriel | Jamash: That's just silly |
| 02:24.09 | Jamash | no it isn't |
| 02:24.11 | Jamash | mmos are evil |
| 02:24.14 | Iriel | that's like "I vow never to enjoy a movie" |
| 02:24.27 | Dagmar | Lunessa: What you were thinking was that it was almost bearable, and that there wasn't anything else |
| 02:24.46 | Lunessa | Oh, I forgot... I tried the Microsoft MMO too... but the name escapes me. |
| 02:24.53 | Dagmar | Asheron's FAIL |
| 02:24.58 | Kraps | i started runescape, that was like WHAT THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE SO HYPED UP ABOUT |
| 02:24.59 | Lunessa | Yeah, that one. |
| 02:25.10 | Dagmar | Even their beta was nothing but a load of marketing bullshit |
| 02:25.21 | Jamash | anyone here play Horizons? |
| 02:25.30 | Dagmar | I, personally, reported that being able to write "just anything" on a paper was a bad idea |
| 02:25.37 | Kraps | avatars smaller than my pinkie |
| 02:25.55 | Dagmar | A YEAR after release a big stink happens because the press figures out you can just make up phony ownership documents |
| 02:26.04 | Elly | wait, what? |
| 02:26.15 | Lunessa | I skipped Horizons. A friend beta'ed it and didn't like it. |
| 02:26.18 | Dagmar | I was sending people to dangerous places on nonexistant quests months previous |
| 02:27.03 | Dagmar | Kraps: Runescape looks pretty cool if you're like, nine. |
| 02:27.20 | Kraps | Dagmar: omg |
| 02:27.31 | Dagmar | To me, it looks like crap. |
| 02:27.35 | Dagmar | With slow piled on. |
| 02:27.39 | Kraps | i couldnt SEE anything |
| 02:35.16 | Lunessa | Haha... WoW Forums go BOOM! Status 500. |
| 02:35.25 | End | BOOM |
| 02:35.28 | End | just |
| 02:35.29 | End | like |
| 02:35.30 | End | that! |
| 02:38.16 | Kraps | i seem to be missing the icons for the mmos i downloaded... |
| 02:39.29 | Kraps | umm |
| 02:42.26 | Kraps | is eveonline any good? |
| 02:43.02 | Iriel | It's an acquired taste |
| 02:43.07 | Iriel | Folks tend to love it or hate it |
| 02:43.49 | kd3 | oh geez. the forums broke |
| 02:43.51 | kd3 | yay tomcat |
| 02:43.56 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:44.28 | Iriel | kd3: welcome to 8 minutes ago |
| 02:44.49 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 02:44.57 | Lunessa | Eve is a game that really, really believes in the "PvP issues have PvP solutions, just like life." |
| 02:45.15 | kd3 | "If using a hammer isn't the solution, you're not using it hard enough" |
| 02:45.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, just like in real life, when someone takes my job, i fucking kill them and teabag them |
| 02:45.30 | Shirik | lolol |
| 02:45.38 | Shirik | my raid just killed Gluth without killing a single one of the skeletons |
| 02:45.57 | kd3 | just nuked the living daylights out of him? |
| 02:46.17 | Duman | poor forums |
| 02:46.23 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Dude - you're HARDCORE |
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| 02:46.51 | Kraps | Lunessa: i didnt get it |
| 02:47.14 | kd3 | skims over the trace |
| 02:47.48 | Lunessa | Kraps: In Eve, players can do anything they can do to each other. Don't whine to a GM that you just got screwed out of a multi-billion credit deal. Lump it. |
| 02:48.11 | Kraps | oh nice :D |
| 02:48.31 | Duman | heh Eve |
| 02:49.04 | kd3 | yay, the new mounts got implemented this PTR build |
| 02:49.11 | Kraps | WHERE DID ALL THE CLIENTS GO? |
| 02:49.25 | Iriel | In eve griefing is a feature |
| 02:49.43 | Kraps | cant even find the lotro client |
| 02:49.45 | Iriel | it has no sympathy, it's the most brutal game i've ever played |
| 02:49.54 | Duman | yeah I coulnd't get into Eve |
| 02:50.00 | Duman | maybe because I was getting my face stomped |
| 02:50.06 | Duman | and the professions stuff was just weird |
| 02:51.02 | Duman | one of my friends is into Eve pretty hardcore... I think he's in one of the (if not THE) largest guild/alliance/whatever-they-are-called-in-eve |
| 02:51.26 | Lunessa | If I want to do a game at that level of abstraction, I'll play Civ IV or Galactic Civ II |
| 02:51.26 | Iriel | Corporation |
| 02:51.31 | Duman | ahh yeah corp |
| 02:52.15 | Duman | speaking of evil games that suck all my time... I wonder how bad SC2 will be |
| 02:52.25 | Duman | I'm probbaly doomed |
| 02:52.45 | Lunessa | SPWAN MORE OVERLORDS. It's about damned time! |
| 02:56.22 | Kraps | which is the funnest class in lotro? |
| 03:01.38 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/sophocles-worlds-first-toilet-humorist/622 |
| 03:06.36 | Duman | hmm, finally getting a "forum maint" page, heh |
| 03:07.27 | Kraps | more ulduar nerfs inc |
| 03:07.48 | Duman | wow, the css isn't working tho |
| 03:10.46 | kd3 | anyone currently on the PTR who's champion with exodar/sw/if? |
| 03:14.01 | Duman | woot, forums back |
| 03:25.45 | NightHawkTheSane | apparently, male characters with the 'Patron' title, when they enter brunnhildar village, lose it and gain the 'Matron' title while disguised. |
| 03:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I did not know this. |
| 03:28.53 | mikma | loltron |
| 03:33.47 | Kraps | strange, people in lotro give advice and are told thank you |
| 03:34.54 | Dagmar | Probably because the majority of the players there are literate and somewhat civilized |
| 03:35.52 | Lunessa | I'd be shocked if that were a universally accurate description of their player-base. |
| 03:36.06 | Lunessa | But on that note, I'm going home. Night all. |
| 03:38.20 | Dagmar | Oh I wouldn't say it's universal by any means |
| 03:38.36 | Dagmar | We've just got a plague of a very vocal minority who think anal rape is the pinnacle of humor |
| 03:39.18 | Dagmar | Most of the "literate, civilized" people just drop out of /2 entirely, and over time, the standard for reasonable behaviour drops to the complete savagery we have now |
| 03:39.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Whenever I see general or trade |
| 03:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I instantly leave them! |
| 03:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: wait, what channel is /2? :P |
| 03:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Trade |
| 03:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (I think) |
| 03:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | turns up ScytheBlade1's sarcasm detector |
| 03:41.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 03:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry |
| 03:42.05 | Kraps | eve is looking awesome, and im still by the race selection screen |
| 03:42.39 | Jamash | hmm, I can't figure out how to get out of this demolisher (I'm using Bartender4) |
| 03:42.52 | kd3 | it should pop a vehicle exit button |
| 03:43.02 | kd3 | along with pitch-up/down |
| 03:43.10 | Jamash | ah, found it |
| 03:43.57 | Dagmar | eho uses those last two? |
| 03:44.17 | kd3 | anyone who doesn't aim with their mouse? |
| 03:44.30 | NightHawkTheSane | who doesn't aim with their mouse? o_0 |
| 03:44.38 | kd3 | people who don't play FPSes? |
| 03:44.53 | Dagmar | People who like to die a lot? |
| 03:44.54 | Jamash | who doesn't play FPSes? |
| 03:44.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i dont play fps's (anymore) |
| 03:45.16 | Dagmar | Quakers. |
| 03:46.48 | Dagmar | ...oh and Mennonites. |
| 04:01.08 | Thunder_Child | anyone else having trouble getting in to wow? |
| 04:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 04:01.20 | Elly|20 | is now 20 :O |
| 04:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It keeps whining about wanting money and something about a subscription? |
| 04:01.45 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 04:02.38 | Thunder_Child | Happy B-day Elly|20 |
| 04:06.01 | MentalPower | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16903633193 |
| 04:06.07 | Dagmar | You're paid up, right? |
| 04:07.33 | Elly|20 | thanks, Thunder_Child :) |
| 04:07.53 | kd3 | thread baleeted, MP |
| 04:07.56 | Dagmar | MentalPower: De topic j00 are trying to post has bin baleeted |
| 04:08.13 | MentalPower | boo... |
| 04:08.21 | MentalPower | good thing I still have it open |
| 04:08.31 | kd3 | pastey! screencap! must be interesting |
| 04:09.52 | MentalPower | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113609 |
| 04:10.15 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 04:10.29 | Dagmar | I side with the person who baleeted the post. |
| 04:10.43 | Dagmar | Kinda weak, not novel enough to let sit there taking up screen estate. |
| 04:11.39 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I just logged in without an issue |
| 04:12.45 | MentalPower | it was probably deleted due to falling under the "no fake patch notes" rule |
| 04:13.19 | Dagmar | That and it's just dancing hamsterism now |
| 04:13.28 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, ya, i did fiannaly |
| 04:14.13 | MentalPower | http://up.norganna.org/index.php/vYPR364/Picture%205.png |
| 04:14.17 | MentalPower | SS of the post |
| 04:16.02 | Dagmar | Well, at least we know it's really a chick behind that toon |
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| 04:26.33 | kd3 | oh wow... Myst, on the iPhone? |
| 04:27.52 | Torhal | So? WoW on the iPhone. |
| 04:27.54 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:28.35 | Iriel | Myst on the iphone makes me wish I had an iPhone |
| 04:28.55 | Torhal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFZA6gRK4qs |
| 04:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, to be honest, that is the first time I've ever wanted an iPhone |
| 04:33.33 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, why? so you can be pissed at your phone instead of your computer? |
| 04:33.50 | Thunder_Child | i have the touch but zero intrest in banging my head against it |
| 04:33.54 | Iriel | I've never been pissed at a cyan game |
| 04:34.28 | Dagmar | I'd like to know if they plan to ever make a populated world. |
| 04:34.30 | kd3 | beat his head against the wall in riven for a while at the last puzzle |
| 04:34.35 | kd3 | uru? |
| 04:34.53 | Iriel | I loved uru, being online when they shut down uru live was one of the saddest gaming moments ever |
| 04:35.06 | NightHawkTheSane | populated worlds are overrated. people suck. : |
| 04:35.07 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 04:35.08 | Dagmar | When it's populated by other players it doesn't really count. |
| 04:35.24 | Wobin | kd3: Myst online kinda |
| 04:35.26 | Iriel | URU had a skewed population |
| 04:35.32 | kd3 | wobin; I know. was responding to dagmar |
| 04:35.49 | kd3 | and gah. this is what I get for not checking out random pages on wowwiki using a text browser in a while |
| 04:35.58 | kd3 | grrs at a few templates that need fixing |
| 04:36.07 | Wobin | ah =) |
| 04:36.08 | Dagmar | Personally, I think people just get annoyed at having to perform complex problem solves just to get around. |
| 04:36.23 | kd3 | which is why puzzle games aren't for everyone |
| 04:37.18 | Dagmar | Gotta solve a topology problem just to go to the bathroom... Need to match ten objects with their mates to get the shower going... Have to write the alphabet backwards in the steam on the mirror to get the medicine cabinet to open and don't even get me started on how you have to roll the toothpaste tube |
| 04:37.34 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:37.35 | Dagmar | People just up and moved somewhere simpler. |
| 04:37.45 | Iriel | And those that stayed.... |
| 04:37.47 | Wobin | finally got Champ of the frozen wastes |
| 04:37.51 | Iriel | they were a cool lot to hang out with |
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| 05:01.18 | End | wow lag makes doing the argent jousting dailies really hard |
| 05:01.21 | Torhal | tekkub: Are you doing the Children's Week quests? |
| 05:01.35 | tekkub | I need to finish them on my huntard |
| 05:01.42 | tekkub | doubt I'll do it on any others |
| 05:02.08 | Torhal | tekkub: Kennel pissing you off? :) |
| 05:02.11 | Torhal | disabled it. |
| 05:02.16 | Wobin | hehe Captain Hammerpants |
| 05:02.22 | End | *cough* PetLeash |
| 05:02.39 | End | for the record, that's the first time I've ever pimped one of my own addons |
| 05:03.32 | Torhal | End: Hehe |
| 05:03.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Torhal: it does have an enable/disable checkbox for a reason :P |
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| 05:04.32 | End | I know Kennel handles the SSO daily quest, but it does it by zone name :-/ I do it by quest item |
| 05:04.55 | Torhal | NightHawkTheSane: Well, yes, it does...which is why I disabled it :P |
| 05:05.03 | NightHawkTheSane | so no problem! :P |
| 05:05.14 | Torhal | But I figured since I already bitched at him about Cork telling me to summon my Warlock pet while mounted... |
| 05:05.18 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:05.35 | Torhal | I'm not trying to get him to fix anything. I'm just having fun. |
| 05:20.12 | msou| | Top of the morning lads |
| 05:25.34 | msou| | points at purl and laughs |
| 05:26.50 | msou| | and by that I mean whoever control purl =) |
| 05:26.59 | End | ~hi |
| 05:26.59 | purl | hello, end |
| 05:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | purl is fairly autonomous |
| 05:29.23 | Trela | looks at Children's Week achievements. |
| 05:29.29 | Trela | PvP... Required... UGH. |
| 05:30.12 | NightHawkTheSane | almost every world event has had some pvp achievemnt :\ |
| 05:30.25 | End | I'd say only about half |
| 05:30.41 | End | hallow's end and winter's veil did of course |
| 05:31.13 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, maybe you're right |
| 05:31.15 | NightHawkTheSane | seems like mor |
| 05:31.15 | End | well, I guess the midsummer one tends to end in pvp, assuming the major cities are required |
| 05:31.16 | NightHawkTheSane | more |
| 05:31.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 05:31.38 | Trela | The cities are easy to run in and hearth however. |
| 05:31.40 | End | and by pvp I mean getting killed by players while running from guards and stuff like that :P |
| 05:31.57 | NightHawkTheSane | anything that makes you flag is pvp :P |
| 05:32.09 | Trela | I believe I started too late to get the Children's Week title any way. Five days of quests. |
| 05:32.10 | NightHawkTheSane | so that includes lunar festival of course |
| 05:32.14 | End | well, I'm on a pvp server :P |
| 05:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Trela: nah, that was hotixed to be just 5 daily quests, you can do them all in one day |
| 05:32.40 | Trela | Nice. |
| 05:32.41 | End | yeah, thank god for that |
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| 05:37.05 | Trela | That gives me some hope. |
| 05:37.52 | NightHawkTheSane | with a bit of time, effort, and a little luck with the pvp part, you can do it all in a day |
| 05:38.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd finished it all on friday with my main |
| 05:39.09 | End | yeah, took less than 3 hours to do, and I was doing other dailies at the same |
| 05:39.15 | End | I got lucky with some of the pvp achievements though |
| 05:39.27 | End | (at the same time) |
| 05:39.35 | End | (I think I'm getting tired) |
| 05:46.01 | Wobin | noblegarden didn't, did it? |
| 05:46.19 | Wobin | (require pvp) |
| 05:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 05:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | neither did/will brewfest,id ontthink |
| 05:47.10 | NightHawkTheSane | nor did love is in the air |
| 05:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | every other one does, afaik. |
| 05:48.28 | End | lunar didn't, love didn't, noble garden didn't, brewfist didn't |
| 05:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | lunar festival required elders in enemy cities |
| 05:48.51 | End | did it? |
| 05:48.56 | End | I guess it did |
| 05:49.19 | End | ok, you're right, that's three that didn't |
| 05:49.31 | NightHawkTheSane | out of eight |
| 05:49.38 | End | two that didn't explicitly require it, but being capital cities..., you'll get it |
| 05:49.50 | End | and then 3 that explicitly require it |
| 05:49.57 | NightHawkTheSane | tbh, that's about as much pvp as i care to engage in. :P |
| 05:50.17 | msou| | I should have started with a pve |
| 05:50.26 | msou| | a lot of ppl just gank you |
| 05:50.46 | End | I could do without a pvp server, but I'm used to it, so it doesn't bother me much |
| 05:50.54 | Trela | Is it no longer possible to fly to the Isle of Quel'Danas? |
| 05:50.57 | End | it's not really feasible to transfer off |
| 05:51.03 | End | it is possible |
| 05:51.17 | msou| | End: you know what bothers me? when they see you in the middle of something and your health is less than a half and they attack you from behind |
| 05:51.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I used to play on a pvp server. I decided i hated it |
| 05:51.33 | msou| | was so pissed that I had to search for him and kill him /spit etc |
| 05:51.49 | End | yeah, I get that sometimes |
| 05:51.52 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: I will switch probably to a pve server |
| 05:52.00 | End | sometimes the counterattack is fantastic though... |
| 05:52.18 | End | I got killed by two players, without really getting to fight back, but I died near a graveyard |
| 05:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | not if you dont enjoy pvp :\ |
| 05:52.24 | End | so I rezzed and killed them both |
| 05:52.44 | msou| | you know, I don't attack lower levels or annoy those who're the same level as me.. if you're doing your thing go on and don't bother me |
| 05:52.47 | End | I enjoy pvp...sometimes 8-) |
| 05:53.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i enjoy it when it's safely contained within a bg/arena/wg :P |
| 05:53.05 | End | but I mostly only pvp in battlegrounds or when attacked anyway |
| 05:53.14 | End | so I don't really get much out of being on a pvp server |
| 05:53.18 | msou| | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.36 | msou| | hmm battlegrounds you play with 2 more players or a larger group? |
| 05:53.44 | End | 10 to 40 |
| 05:53.48 | msou| | ohh |
| 05:53.52 | End | depending on the battleground |
| 05:53.58 | msou| | cause I heard I can get the purple armor from bg's |
| 05:54.01 | End | wsg is smallest...10vs10 people |
| 05:54.07 | End | largest is AV, which is 40vs40 people |
| 05:54.16 | msou| | I can choose between the two? |
| 05:54.23 | End | the five, yes |
| 05:54.28 | msou| | I see |
| 05:54.37 | msou| | maybe I'll check it today |
| 05:54.47 | msou| | 2 bars to ding to 72 lvl =) |
| 05:55.00 | End | ah, you could do any of them then |
| 05:55.19 | End | I'd suggest waiting until you're a little higher before doing it though |
| 05:55.28 | End | it splits it into brackets |
| 05:55.44 | msou| | well, I just need a better armor especially the purple ones.. cause in dungeons ppl needing on everything I rarely play with a cool group |
| 05:55.46 | End | 50-59, 60-69, 70-79, etc |
| 05:55.55 | msou| | hmm |
| 05:56.04 | msou| | so 72 not good? |
| 05:56.08 | End | so you want to be a higher level in your bracket :P |
| 05:56.16 | msou| | hmm |
| 05:56.21 | End | well, you'd be fighting mostly higher level characters, so no, not so good |
| 05:56.31 | msou| | ouch |
| 05:56.43 | msou| | and you can do raids when you're 80 right? |
| 05:56.49 | End | yes |
| 05:57.05 | msou| | I should wrtie in /1 "looking for active/mature guild" |
| 05:57.21 | End | mmm, not sure if that's the best way to find a guild or not |
| 05:57.44 | End | unfortunately, you aren't going to be in good condition to run ulduar :P |
| 05:57.51 | msou| | well, most ppl just wants you to help them get that item.. once you help them they walk away |
| 05:58.02 | msou| | nah ulduar won't be now =) |
| 05:58.15 | msou| | once I hit lvl 80 I'd probably go with naxx a lot |
| 05:58.18 | msou| | to gear up |
| 05:58.30 | msou| | I just hear it a lot don't know hehe |
| 05:58.52 | msou| | and after the gear I'll get the epic flying mount.. and work on my professions =) |
| 05:59.32 | msou| | I just spent 800G on an expert riding skill :/ |
| 06:00.38 | End | mm, yeah, you do want to do naxx first :P |
| 06:00.44 | End | well, heroics first |
| 06:00.56 | End | and maybe even regular instances before that |
| 06:00.59 | End | depending |
| 06:01.06 | msou| | lets see if I find cool group by then =) |
| 06:01.40 | msou| | right now just dungeons |
| 06:01.52 | msou| | and questing for the rewards |
| 06:05.03 | Trela | I only need Hail to the King, Baby and School of Hard Knocks now. |
| 06:05.49 | msou| | all you got from bg's? |
| 06:06.05 | msou| | I meant the rest |
| 06:10.16 | Torhal | Am I right in assuming that there's no way I can do the 5 daily quest achievement now? |
| 06:10.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it was changed. you can do any 5 daily quests in any amount of time and it will count. |
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| 06:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|zZz: Curse you |
| 06:15.47 | msou| | when you guys say daiules is it quests that you should do them in a certain time? |
| 06:16.02 | Wobin | msou|: no it means normal daily quests |
| 06:16.03 | msou| | or as NightHawkTheSane doesn't matter how long as long as you do them |
| 06:16.25 | msou| | Wobin: do you have to go somewhere to get that special quest |
| 06:16.35 | Wobin | what level are you, msou| ? |
| 06:16.43 | msou| | 2 bars to hit lvl 72 |
| 06:16.46 | NightHawkTheSane | daily quests are quests you can do once ever day, they're identified by a blue exclamation mark over the quest giver's head. |
| 06:16.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you probably don't have access to many, if any, daily quests right now. |
| 06:16.59 | Wobin | You can head to Shattrath and find some daily quests there |
| 06:17.01 | Wobin | Plenty =P |
| 06:17.17 | Wobin | all the sunwell ones |
| 06:17.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, forgot about those. |
| 06:17.26 | Antiarc | Is there doc on the parameters passed to ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter handler functions? |
| 06:17.33 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: ohh, yeah I see the blue ones that gives more reps.. I do them sometimes without noticing they're dailes |
| 06:17.45 | Wobin | Antiarc: depends on the event I believe |
| 06:17.54 | Wobin | wowprogramming covers them |
| 06:17.55 | Antiarc | CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL |
| 06:18.03 | Antiarc | I want to know if it's in general or trade |
| 06:18.18 | msou| | Wobin: right now I just want to hit lvl 80 =) get the purple armor -> epic flying mount and dailies/professions to make money later |
| 06:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, signs it's time to clean my torrent directory.. transmission tells me it's full. >< |
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| 06:20.04 | Wobin | Antiarc: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Communication |
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| 06:28.28 | Antiarc | danke |
| 06:28.37 | Antiarc | My Wintergrasp ubermod is ready! \u/ |
| 06:28.42 | End | woo woo |
| 06:28.50 | End | what does it do? |
| 06:28.51 | Antiarc | It does automatic raid formation |
| 06:29.00 | Antiarc | And alerts you when WG is about to start |
| 06:29.22 | End | coo |
| 06:33.03 | msou| | link |
| 06:36.05 | msou| | nm |
| 06:37.30 | zenzio | so, the Norwegian army started trying environmentally friendly ammunition. The problem is... it's giving the soldiers health issues |
| 06:38.14 | End | haha |
| 06:38.35 | End | although |
| 06:38.44 | End | technically, ammunition, when used, tends to cause health issues |
| 06:39.14 | zenzio | I wasn't aware of that, unless you're implying that being hit by them is a health issue |
| 06:39.26 | End | getting hit is mostly certainly a health issue |
| 06:39.39 | zenzio | in this case the soldiers are only firing, not being hit |
| 06:39.51 | End | I didn't say who it caused the health issue on! |
| 06:40.00 | zenzio | :-p |
| 06:42.23 | Thunder_Child | "Watch the calendar. The RC will expire on June 1, 2010. Starting on March 1, 2010, your PC will begin shutting down every two hours. " |
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| 06:42.50 | End | o_O |
| 06:42.59 | Thunder_Child | thats harsh |
| 06:43.06 | End | yeah |
| 06:46.00 | Thunder_Child | RC can be downloaded now |
| 06:46.08 | Jamash | release candidate cola |
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| 07:16.25 | msou| | if I am in warsong hold how can I get to dragonblight zone by foot |
| 07:16.30 | msou| | south of it or |
| 07:17.10 | msou| | actually it looks far from them there |
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| 07:30.40 | Jamash | take the east road |
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| 07:46.41 | Cide | hi |
| 07:50.22 | Adys | hey cide |
| 07:50.31 | Cide | I have a great proof of concept. |
| 07:55.20 | Cide | http://pastey.net/113619 |
| 07:56.20 | Cide | you might like it Adys! |
| 07:57.27 | Adys | ITS NOT IN PYTHON |
| 07:57.30 | Adys | I DUN LIKE IT:(:(:( |
| 07:57.37 | Adys | oh |
| 07:57.38 | Adys | it is |
| 07:57.41 | Adys | I just woke up sorry |
| 07:57.56 | Cide | you shold be |
| 07:57.58 | Cide | should |
| 07:58.08 | Kalroth | what does it prove? |
| 07:58.17 | Adys | pastey python syntax highlight is horrible |
| 07:58.19 | Cide | it proves that making wow addons in python is a success |
| 07:58.22 | Cide | yep |
| 07:58.59 | Adys | ['OnLoad'] = function(self) |
| 07:59.00 | Kalroth | why would anyone code in Python, that's just silly |
| 07:59.02 | Adys | were you drunk? |
| 07:59.15 | Adys | oh |
| 07:59.18 | Adys | that part isnt in python. |
| 07:59.31 | krka | my god that's sick cide - generating lua code from python? |
| 07:59.37 | Cide | yep! |
| 07:59.55 | Adys | oh right |
| 08:00.06 | Cide | making classes and frames in lua is tedious :/ |
| 08:00.10 | Adys | Im gonna need more ram because Im processing shit really slowly this morning |
| 08:00.20 | Kalroth | Adys: eat more fiber |
| 08:00.30 | Adys | Kalroth: we dont have fiber here |
| 08:00.41 | Kalroth | Adys: oatmeal then |
| 08:01.00 | Adys | Cide: thats pretty awesome |
| 08:01.09 | Cide | I know right |
| 08:01.30 | Adys | though |
| 08:01.35 | Adys | wtb python bindings in wow |
| 08:01.54 | Cide | good luck with that |
| 08:02.04 | Adys | I know, let's recode the client |
| 08:02.07 | Adys | in python actually |
| 08:02.40 | Cide | krka, was that sick as in disgusting? :P |
| 08:02.42 | jnwhiteh | *shudder* |
| 08:02.43 | Kalroth | Just hook the vtable for the Lua function calls and inject python syntax instead! |
| 08:02.46 | krka | Cide: yes |
| 08:02.52 | Cide | I figured |
| 08:02.58 | krka | you can simplify frames in lua if you want too |
| 08:03.04 | Cide | I already did |
| 08:03.04 | krka | make your own helper framework |
| 08:03.22 | Cide | but it's messy and hard to learn |
| 08:03.31 | Cide | but much faster than the alternative of course |
| 08:04.29 | Adys | and you don't have the framework layer to deal with ingame |
| 08:04.38 | Kalroth | I got a proper challenge then! Can you use VB script to generate Python script that generates Lua script?! |
| 08:04.48 | Adys | gtfo Kalroth |
| 08:06.24 | Cide | that said |
| 08:06.36 | Cide | an in-game addon to create frames would be nice |
| 08:06.43 | Cide | but I don't have the time to do that |
| 08:07.26 | Cide | http://pastey.net/113621 can create regular classes too! |
| 08:07.51 | Cide | granted that didn't quite work |
| 08:08.11 | Cide | oh well. |
| 08:08.13 | Thunder_Child | YOU didnt quite work |
| 08:08.43 | Cide | I know, that's why you're the way you are |
| 08:09.07 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 08:09.19 | Cide | not going to explain it :P |
| 08:09.33 | Thunder_Child | good, cuse i'm to tired to understand it |
| 08:14.00 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/9917/e5f144493d43160d7b51bd25bd24a138.gif |
| 08:22.02 | Fisker- | i'm gonna cut you up |
| 08:23.07 | Fisker- | "Rememeber to bring your friends to Azeroth, but take them outside of Azeroth as well" |
| 08:23.10 | Fisker- | So.. Outland? |
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| 08:38.58 | msou| | outland sucks |
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| 09:39.18 | Grum | meh i'm getting somewhat annoyed with all these morons asking to host addons on wowmatrix |
| 09:43.07 | Elkano | I even got a donation marked as via WoWMatrix for something that isn't listed as being hosted there... |
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| 09:47.11 | Antiarc | I just ignore them, really |
| 09:47.28 | Antiarc | Mildly annoying, but they're either shills or ignorant |
| 09:47.37 | Antiarc | Neither of which is worth the effort to respond to |
| 09:52.03 | Kalroth | wowmatrix is fine if they host the addons themselves, no? |
| 09:52.23 | zenzio | except when they alter the addons |
| 09:52.39 | Kalroth | they alter the addons how? |
| 09:53.01 | Cairenn | and deliberately serve outdated addons, because they know they can't serve the updated ones because authors changed their license to prevent it |
| 09:53.02 | zenzio | I don't remember the details, but they did it to some addon(s?) |
| 09:53.10 | Cairenn | hang on, will get you the details |
| 09:53.14 | Antiarc | They update all the TOCs, and they modify individual addons to remove donation links, april fools code, anything they feel doesn't belong |
| 09:53.53 | Antiarc | They turn off lua error reporting in the WoW client without asking, and effectively just tell users everything is working correctly by suppressing all indications that stuff be flat-out broke |
| 09:53.57 | msou| | will you've gpl'd it you cannot do anything about it =) |
| 09:54.04 | Kalroth | Updating the TOC is fine if the addon still works, I've done that myself |
| 09:54.24 | Antiarc | It's fine for the personal user to do it themselves |
| 09:54.42 | Antiarc | It's pretty horrid for an updater to do it and tell users that all their mods are the latest and greatest and all up to date. |
| 09:54.42 | Kalroth | Removing donation links seems silly, but I guess Blizzard didn't want them ingame anyways :) |
| 09:54.52 | Antiarc | This was before the UI policy |
| 09:55.01 | Kalroth | uhm, you missed the "if the addon still works" part? |
| 09:55.20 | Kalroth | I use an addon that haven't been updated since 2.x and it still works flawlessly |
| 09:55.31 | zenzio | and you assume that's the case with every addon? |
| 09:55.38 | Kalroth | uhm, you missed the "if the addon still works" part? |
| 09:55.42 | Kalroth | likes to repeat himself. |
| 09:55.47 | Antiarc | wowmatrix doesn't make that distinction |
| 09:55.53 | zenzio | unless they vigorously test, they shouldn't claim it works |
| 09:56.03 | Antiarc | It just hides the fact that you have old addons by telling you that they're all signed off on as a-ok with the latest client |
| 09:56.03 | zenzio | it may appear to work, it may work, or it may not |
| 09:56.16 | Kalroth | you mean like addon authors vigorously test their shit, eh? :) |
| 09:56.35 | Antiarc | They're even serving older versions of addons that are no longer licensed permissively, and telling users that it's the latest |
| 09:56.42 | Elkano | test....what? |
| 09:56.42 | zenzio | Kalroth: that's irrelevant |
| 09:56.53 | Kalroth | Antiarc: Sure, the open source world does that in a great extent as well |
| 09:57.05 | Antiarc | ehhh. |
| 09:57.08 | Antiarc | Not exactly. |
| 09:57.16 | Kalroth | Antiarc: License on software changes? No problem, you stick with the version with the original license. |
| 09:57.48 | Antiarc | Right, but your version was written for Windows 3.1 and it's repackaged with a "Updated for Windows 7" sticker and it's a-ok? |
| 09:58.17 | Antiarc | You know as well as I do that Blizzard regularly breaks addon compatibility |
| 09:58.22 | Antiarc | Especially in major content patches |
| 09:58.24 | Kalroth | TOC is more like "Works in Windows 7", not "Updated for Windows 7" |
| 09:58.41 | Antiarc | Every single mod that used chat filters broke in 3.1 |
| 09:58.47 | Antiarc | Like, catastrophically broke |
| 09:58.54 | Kalroth | Yes, I'm well aware of that. |
| 09:58.57 | Kalroth | repeats himself. |
| 09:58.59 | zenzio | no-one except the author of the addon should be in a position to put a "Works" sticker on an addon |
| 09:59.00 | Kalroth | uhm, you missed the "if the addon still works" part? |
| 09:59.14 | Antiarc | If it still works, sure, again, great for the individual user |
| 09:59.14 | Kalroth | zenzio: haha, that's incredible dumb |
| 09:59.15 | zenzio | Kalroth: and you blindly ignore every point we make |
| 09:59.24 | Kalroth | no, you're making silly points |
| 09:59.26 | Antiarc | Pretty horrible for an updater to blanketly do to unwitting and clueless users |
| 09:59.46 | Antiarc | Someone just paste the code to it and be done with it :P |
| 09:59.49 | Cairenn | Kalroth: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=13 |
| 09:59.50 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=15 |
| 10:00.17 | Antiarc | Cairenn to the rescue. |
| 10:00.22 | Kalroth | What part of the threads? :) |
| 10:00.38 | Cairenn | they're pretty obvious |
| 10:00.42 | Antiarc | Look for the giant <pre> blocks |
| 10:00.50 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 10:01.05 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=13#251 & the following one |
| 10:01.17 | Kalroth | Okay, that is dumb |
| 10:01.22 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1&pageNo=15#282 and the following one |
| 10:01.44 | Cairenn | those are courtesy Arrowmaster |
| 10:03.05 | Kalroth | the generic write toc and the SET scriptErrors is rather shitty |
| 10:03.23 | Antiarc | There's a whole slew of minor-by-themselves trespasses, coupled with their rampant abuse of Curse/WoWI's infrastructures despite attempts to limit their access, and topped off by their absolute non-participation in the community |
| 10:03.26 | Kalroth | correcting errors in addons is fine, considering they didn't have control of their source before now |
| 10:04.30 | Antiarc | correcting errors is fine until the search-and-replace breaks on the next version of the addon |
| 10:04.44 | Antiarc | And users light up the author's contacts because their addon is broken |
| 10:05.23 | Antiarc | If they're correcting errors, doesn't it make more sense to just...I don't know, submit patches to the authors? But that would require actually being a contributing member of the community, which they don't do |
| 10:06.31 | Cairenn | and we also know that they aren't changing - instead of scraping curse & wowi, now they are scraping wowui.incgamers |
| 10:07.11 | Antiarc | Maybe they'll scrape themselves a virus or six :V |
| 10:07.53 | Cairenn | checks to make sure Lothaer isn't in channel right now, then laughs |
| 10:09.06 | Cairenn | (wouldn't want to hurt his feelings, he's a decent guy) |
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| 10:11.10 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8JrsnpWUSw |
| 10:11.12 | Antiarc | Hahahaha, so awesome |
| 10:11.15 | Antiarc | That guy is cool as ice. |
| 10:15.11 | msou| | that's old but yes I agree with you |
| 10:17.25 | msou| | oh I think I am mixxing it up wit hthe other one.. at work cannot listen |
| 10:17.40 | msou| | the one I liked when he called his dad telling I am coming home with the.... |
| 10:21.04 | Torhal | msou|: This dude called his dad and said "Hey, I don't need your help. I'm just calling to let you know I'm winning the million dollars." |
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| 10:31.02 | msou| | Torhal: oh then it is the one I meant hehe |
| 10:31.45 | msou| | was a long time ago when I watched that clo |
| 10:31.48 | msou| | clip |
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| 11:02.58 | Wobin | Dagmar: btw, thanks for the LW spreadsheet =) I finally got my LW past 400... |
| 11:04.18 | msou| | wobin you play on eu realms by the way? |
| 11:04.23 | Wobin | no |
| 11:05.08 | msou| | I wantedto play on a us realms, but blizzard suggested me to stick with the EU ones cause it's "safer" |
| 11:05.25 | msou| | they didn't give me the free month for bc and wotlk even.. think I should call |
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| 11:57.10 | Wobin | Dagmar: What pattern do you find sells relatively well? |
| 11:57.57 | Movix | hi, i did not understood how the .pkmeta is handling depencies. Are download counter incremented for an .pkmeta embeded lib whan the addon is downloaded or is it just packaged in the download archive upon SVP comit ? |
| 11:58.07 | Movix | *svn |
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| 12:25.14 | Aelobin | do green/orange gems in yellow sockets count towards the yellow gem requirement on meta's |
| 12:25.57 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/speed_trap.jpg |
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| 12:30.47 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:33.00 | Wobin | yes |
| 12:33.09 | Wobin | sockets aren't what the metagem checks |
| 12:33.21 | Wobin | just the gem itself |
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| 12:46.03 | Ycarene | Is there a legitimate alternative to wowmatrix that has a linux or java version? |
| 12:46.22 | zenzio | I thought the WoWI version was Java? |
| 12:47.24 | Ycarene | Haven't checked that out yet... |
| 12:47.55 | Wobin | hehe: http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10000812-1.html |
| 12:47.57 | Wobin | that's just cool |
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| 12:54.52 | Ycarene | Are there any addons that only work for a specific OS client? (I.E. Mac Only/Windows Only addons) |
| 12:55.25 | Wobin | no |
| 12:55.30 | Wobin | addons are all run under WoW |
| 12:55.42 | Wobin | OS matters not |
| 12:55.50 | Wobin | (caveat, with perhaps some video addons) |
| 12:56.01 | Torhal | Wobin: An addon which controls the shadow effect level is most definitely NOT targeted toward Linux. |
| 12:56.03 | Torhal | :D |
| 12:56.06 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 12:56.13 | Wobin | throws a goose. |
| 12:56.16 | mikma | duck, and cover. |
| 12:56.27 | Wobin | points to caveat |
| 12:57.45 | Torhal | But I don't want to eat in a cave. |
| 12:59.25 | Ycarene | Wowi doesn't appear to have one anymore. |
| 12:59.35 | Ycarene | Curses client seems to crash... |
| 13:00.40 | Wobin | read the thread a little more =P |
| 13:00.47 | Wobin | I've been using the WoWI one for months |
| 13:00.59 | Ycarene | They're not offering it anymore |
| 13:01.09 | Ycarene | Its not available for download. |
| 13:01.22 | Ycarene | or if it is, it's somewhere deep in the website. |
| 13:01.48 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8239-WoWInterfaceUIManager-Windows.html |
| 13:01.53 | Wobin | First link |
| 13:01.56 | Wobin | on the front page >< |
| 13:02.31 | Ycarene | Damnit its a freakin' MSI file. |
| 13:02.32 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/103361212 |
| 13:02.56 | Ycarene | whaddy wanna bet it needs some advanced version of .net |
| 13:03.28 | Wobin | Ycarene: rename it to .zip |
| 13:03.42 | Ycarene | I'll try using msiexec |
| 13:03.48 | Wobin | hm, that doesn't appear to work |
| 13:03.54 | Wobin | maybe it's a downloader =P |
| 13:04.30 | Ycarene | "wine start Setup_wowuimgr_0_2_10.msi" works |
| 13:04.55 | Wobin | Ycarene: oh here |
| 13:04.55 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=8242 |
| 13:05.08 | Wobin | Download Choices |
| 13:05.08 | Wobin | This is a portable program. This version is for Windows and includes only a Windows MSI Setup program. For a generic version (for Linux/Macintosh users), see this page. |
| 13:05.22 | Adys | Kelson writes "Google's Mountain View headquarters has fields that need to be kept clear of fire hazards. This year instead of mowing them, they took a low-carbon approach: they hired a herd of goats to eat the grass for a week. 'It costs us about the same as mowing, and goats are a lot cuter to watch than lawn mowers,' wrote Dan Hoffman." |
| 13:05.46 | Adys | http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/17471-1239384427.jpg |
| 13:05.47 | Adys | ... |
| 13:06.31 | Wobin | well, that's certainly love. |
| 13:10.06 | Tenchworks | odd it's 404ing on me |
| 13:10.25 | Ycarene | Ok, how do I set the WoW directory in this program. |
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| 13:20.00 | Etanol | Ycarene: what program? |
| 13:20.20 | Etanol | "this program" is not very specific |
| 13:20.20 | Ycarene | the Wowi updater |
| 13:20.26 | Ycarene | Heh, sorry. |
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| 13:21.02 | Etanol | should be under <File> menu |
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| 13:23.17 | Kraftman | seems kinda crazy that you'd need to pay someone to let their goats eat for free |
| 13:23.36 | Kraftman | most people pay to keep animals in a field, not the other way around |
| 13:23.59 | Wobin | well |
| 13:24.06 | Wobin | If Google came up and asked to rent your goats |
| 13:24.11 | Wobin | wouldn't -you- charge them? |
| 13:24.14 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 13:24.29 | Kraftman | depends how hungry my goats were |
| 13:24.45 | Kalroth | I'd be rather worried if Google called me and asked to rent my goats |
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| 13:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. *hugs* |
| 13:27.38 | Lopeppeppy | The internet has spoiled me forever, I keep trying to type my "e" as "3". This does not bode well for my day at work. |
| 13:31.58 | JackBurton7676 | Anyone know of a recomended gear guide/primer for X cloth class |
| 13:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing useful on the EJ site, JackBurton7676? |
| 13:35.28 | Cide- | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=common+sense |
| 13:36.08 | Kalroth | Cide-: I have javascript disabled and that site doesn't work, how do I fix it |
| 13:36.22 | Cide- | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=enabling+javascript |
| 13:37.05 | Kalroth | I did that and it doesn't work, how do I fix that |
| 13:38.44 | Lopeppeppy | This cliff, let me show you off it. *poke* |
| 13:40.42 | Kalroth | jumps off Cliff Richards. |
| 13:43.26 | Guest1762 | ScytheBlade1: What did I do? |
| 13:43.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 13:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik |
| 13:44.55 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-05-05-n30.html |
| 13:45.07 | Shirik | isn't it just "EVENT", function? |
| 13:45.14 | Shirik | wow |
| 13:45.16 | Shirik | way off |
| 13:45.18 | Shirik | >.> |
| 13:47.19 | Etanol | omg |
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| 13:52.50 | Cide- | Shirik, see my python->lua script? |
| 13:52.54 | Cide- | for awesomeness |
| 13:53.32 | Adys | Cide: Im not fond of the docstrings hack btw |
| 13:53.42 | Cide- | same |
| 13:53.43 | Cide- | that's the worst part |
| 13:53.50 | Cide- | but not sure how to do it easily otherwise |
| 13:54.24 | Cide- | while I could trap any synta errors, you can't access the function body without reverse engineering the compiled code |
| 13:54.26 | Adys | You can always add helper functions for standard stuff |
| 13:54.41 | Adys | and a way to just add raw code |
| 13:54.42 | Cide- | but then you'd have to learn a whole new framework |
| 13:55.01 | Adys | a meta class maybe |
| 13:55.02 | Adys | dunno |
| 13:55.09 | Cide- | everything is metaclassed :P |
| 13:55.28 | Cide- | the Frame class, the Texture class, the Class class |
| 13:55.28 | Cide- | all have metaclasses |
| 13:56.27 | jnwhiteh | why not just write in Lua? |
| 13:56.28 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 13:57.18 | Cide- | 1) it was mostly for fun, 2) making classes in lua is tedious, 3) making frames in lua is even more tedious |
| 13:57.35 | Adys | 4) Why write in Lua when you can write in Python |
| 13:57.47 | jnwhiteh | because Lua is the language WoW uses? =) |
| 13:57.58 | jnwhiteh | 1) Cool, 2) lolwut? 3) Um... |
| 13:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yer a bunch of blaspheming whippersnappers. |
| 13:58.14 | Lopeppeppy | Code on FORTRAN! |
| 13:58.16 | Adys | its true |
| 13:59.17 | jnwhiteh | why not.. i don't know.. use XML templates.. |
| 13:59.33 | jnwhiteh | considering they take all the nastiness out of making dynamic frames |
| 13:59.48 | Cide- | xml is more tedious |
| 13:59.49 | Adys | Cide: I think google released their Java => JavaScript conversion thingything |
| 13:59.53 | Adys | maybe you can have a look |
| 13:59.56 | Adys | its in python |
| 13:59.58 | amro | XML is evil |
| 14:00.25 | Cide- | I might later |
| 14:00.26 | jnwhiteh | nevermind, I'll just leave this one alone. |
| 14:00.28 | Cide- | going to head out now though |
| 14:00.32 | krka | basically you just like the python syntax better |
| 14:00.38 | Cide- | not really |
| 14:00.45 | krka | you can write code equally easy with lua, though different |
| 14:00.48 | Cide- | I like the simplicity of python's OO |
| 14:00.54 | Cide- | equally easy, but more code |
| 14:00.54 | Adys | thats not true krka |
| 14:00.56 | Adys | thats just not true |
| 14:01.35 | krka | i am not convinced, give me an example of something that's easy in python but annoying in lua |
| 14:01.46 | Adys | classes |
| 14:01.48 | krka | that can't be solved with a write-once oo template |
| 14:01.58 | Cide- | you mean a write-once oo library |
| 14:02.08 | krka | right |
| 14:02.10 | jnwhiteh | same difference, really. |
| 14:02.18 | jnwhiteh | either way you have to write something.. |
| 14:02.23 | Cide- | yep |
| 14:02.26 | jnwhiteh | you just chose to write somethign that allows you to do it using Python syntax |
| 14:02.33 | Cide- | yep |
| 14:02.35 | jnwhiteh | so krka is right, you just prefer the python syntax |
| 14:02.40 | jnwhiteh | yay, glad we got that over with |
| 14:02.44 | Cide- | obviously |
| 14:02.58 | Cide- | I did do that in lua though |
| 14:03.36 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 14:03.40 | jnwhiteh | well I'm glad you have something that makes you happier |
| 14:03.43 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 14:03.50 | jnwhiteh | Happy Cide is good for business |
| 14:03.53 | Adys | sends jnwhiteh a bunch of sextoys |
| 14:03.53 | Cide- | *shrug* |
| 14:04.09 | Cide- | I'm in a place with nothing to do and no wifi in the room |
| 14:04.13 | amro | Happy Cide > Homicide |
| 14:04.27 | mikma | homocide? |
| 14:04.34 | Adys | Happycide > Happysad |
| 14:04.37 | Adys | right.. |
| 14:04.53 | Adys | Cide: I did show you my structure awesomeness? |
| 14:04.58 | Cide- | dunno |
| 14:05.04 | Cide- | I'm about to head out so show me later |
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| 14:05.10 | Adys | *unzips |
| 14:05.15 | amro | later, noob! |
| 14:05.16 | Cide- | .. |
| 14:05.18 | Adys | Cide-: http://addsanddishes.blogspot.com/2009/04/genericforeignkey-implementation_2557.html |
| 14:05.33 | Adys | and thats just the beginning |
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| 14:06.31 | Cide- | what's that for anyway? |
| 14:06.43 | Cide- | bah, gotta head out, later |
| 14:06.45 | Adys | its for generic foreignkeys in some dbc/wdb files |
| 14:06.48 | Adys | laters |
| 14:06.49 | Cide- | ah |
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| 14:13.39 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:14.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 14:17.00 | mikma | gas! |
| 14:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | electric. |
| 14:18.30 | Lunessa | Too soon, Executus. You have awakened me too soon! |
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| 14:25.45 | Lunessa | Cairenn or Dolby - Using the most recent version of Chrome, I get logged out of WoWI following any link from the main page. This doesn't happen in FF3 or IE. Cookies are on, and security settings are default. |
| 14:26.04 | foxlit | "Starting on March 1, 2010, your PC will begin shutting down every two hours." |
| 14:26.07 | foxlit | Exciting! |
| 14:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, huh? |
| 14:26.20 | foxlit | win7 |
| 14:26.43 | Lunessa | Haha... In other words "But the O/S you cheap bastards." |
| 14:26.53 | Lunessa | But/Buy |
| 14:27.00 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: maybe you need to exit porn mode before Chrome will keep you logged in |
| 14:27.16 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: NEVAR |
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| 14:31.43 | Torhal | zenzelezz: There is a mode OTHER than porn mode? |
| 14:32.52 | Lunessa | srsly |
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| 14:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | Why yes, and I run it. |
| 14:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | Sick sick puppies. |
| 14:33.39 | Lunessa | I kid, of course, but it's irritating to have to login after I drill down a link in say my "Favorites." |
| 14:33.40 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* |
| 14:33.42 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:33.43 | Wobin | http://baking.about.com/od/sweetrolls/r/ultimtecinnroll.htm |
| 14:33.48 | Wobin | I shall have to try this |
| 14:36.11 | Lunessa | Interesting layout - http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw25613.jpg - not my personal taste, but pretty nonetheless. |
| 14:37.24 | Wobin | Lunessa: that's nice and clean |
| 14:37.58 | Lunessa | Yeah, it's a nice piece of work. The designer did a good job. |
| 14:38.51 | Etanol | although |
| 14:38.55 | Lunessa | The panels give it a nice, cohesive feel. Not sure how it plays, but it looks nice. |
| 14:38.56 | Etanol | why only bind 0-9? |
| 14:39.18 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:39.20 | Lunessa | I see binds for 1 - = |
| 14:39.23 | Wobin | and not even all the buttons are actually used |
| 14:39.24 | [Ammo] | perhaps more is bound |
| 14:39.25 | [Ammo] | but invis |
| 14:39.28 | Wobin | er binds |
| 14:39.49 | Etanol | § is not reserved, q and e's functionality can be moved to a+d, shift/ctrl/alt modifiers are awesome |
| 14:40.00 | Etanol | 1-5 are the easiest numeric bindings |
| 14:40.10 | Wobin | but surely you'd use 1-9 before any 'modifier' key shenanigans? |
| 14:40.10 | Etanol | for 5+ you need to stretch your hand |
| 14:40.16 | Lunessa | When I bind, I do 1 - = and then page bars based on Alt or Ctrl - then I click other random things. |
| 14:40.46 | Lunessa | I also use an ergo keyboard with the split in the middle. |
| 14:40.53 | Etanol | why not use (MODIFIER)<qer12345 |
| 14:41.27 | Etanol | ;) |
| 14:41.37 | amro | I use lots of modifiers. My favorite is cloak of shadows on my rogue, which the UI shows as ASS (Alt-Shift-S) |
| 14:41.42 | Lunessa | Etanol: I have enough trouble typing that if I used bindings of letter keys I'd never get anything said, and I'd never remember where to keep my hands. |
| 14:42.14 | Etanol | ?? |
| 14:42.23 | Etanol | aren't you using wasd to move? |
| 14:42.24 | Etanol | :P |
| 14:43.38 | Etanol | amro: fitting ^^ |
| 14:44.00 | Etanol | (also, f ang g are great keys to bind |
| 14:46.19 | Lunessa | http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/Unkle-UI-04-18-2009.jpg - this is my UI |
| 14:46.48 | Lunessa | I don't use wasd to move. I use arrow keys+ trackball. |
| 14:47.15 | Spellbinder | <--- arrowkeys \o/ |
| 14:47.23 | Spellbinder | but im old |
| 14:47.44 | Lunessa | Spellbinder: Me too. |
| 14:47.49 | Seerah | I use qwes |
| 14:47.51 | Spellbinder | :) |
| 14:47.53 | Seerah | strafe are ad |
| 14:47.58 | Spellbinder | <--- 47 |
| 14:48.27 | Fisker- | So for those of you who enjoy Warcraft III maps, be careful about the maps you download and always use trusted Fansites such as War3.IncGamers.com that continuously scan for viruses. |
| 14:48.29 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 14:48.29 | Lunessa | Ctrl+Left or Ctrl+Right arrows = strafe. WTF is WRONG with you people. |
| 14:48.33 | Fisker- | that's pretty funny :D |
| 14:48.44 | Fisker- | trusted fansites that continuously scan for viruses |
| 14:48.46 | Fisker- | hehe |
| 14:48.55 | amro | Lunessa: no numbers on healthbars? |
| 14:49.06 | Lunessa | amro - only when there is a deficit. |
| 14:49.27 | Spellbinder | how old are you Lunessa? |
| 14:49.33 | Lunessa | I discovered I mostly don't need the numbers. |
| 14:49.48 | amro | do you pvp? |
| 14:49.51 | Lunessa | Spellbinder - I just turned 39, but I'm ancient is spirit and milage. |
| 14:49.58 | Spellbinder | aaah |
| 14:50.08 | Spellbinder | i know that feeling :) |
| 14:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | is ancient today too. |
| 14:51.05 | Lunessa | amro: I feel like PvP is the same as entering a gay biker bar in assless chaps wearing a sign that says "please insert foreign objects here" on my back. |
| 14:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | Put the sign lower, Lunessa, and you've got it right. :) |
| 14:51.48 | Spellbinder | rofl Lunessa |
| 14:51.50 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I didn't draw the arrow in chat, but you get the idea. |
| 14:51.59 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
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| 14:52.31 | Lunessa | The Children's Week PvP achievement is the last one I need, and I dread doing it. |
| 14:52.32 | Lopeppeppy | I am a bad, bad monkey. |
| 14:52.35 | Etanol | Lunessa: aren't you female? |
| 14:52.43 | amro | Lunessa: that's true. so... do you pvp or not? ;p |
| 14:52.58 | Seerah | wow - it's 20 questions about Lunessa day ;) |
| 14:53.10 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa |
| 14:53.10 | Lunessa | Etanol: No, not even close. I'm spectacularly male. |
| 14:53.11 | Etanol | I mean, why would a female entertain a gaybar? |
| 14:53.19 | Etanol | aha, I just looked at your name |
| 14:53.28 | Etanol | ending with an a |
| 14:53.29 | Trela_ | School of Hard Knocks should be renamed School of PvE player Grief. |
| 14:53.35 | Etanol | sorry ;P |
| 14:53.54 | Lunessa | My nick is based on a toon I was playing/posting with. And I can't get the nick Unkle on Freenode. |
| 14:53.55 | Trela_ | still sees Lunessa and things female. |
| 14:53.58 | amro | Trela_: if anyone is suffering, it's the people trying to do their BGs as usual |
| 14:54.06 | Trela_ | Both sides are. |
| 14:54.12 | Trela_ | The entire situation is horrible. |
| 14:54.19 | Etanol | Well |
| 14:54.33 | amro | Trela_: nobody is forcing them to do achievements |
| 14:54.35 | Etanol | I think you would enjoy pvp more with a wasd based layout |
| 14:54.44 | Etanol | you'd be used to it in an hour or two |
| 14:54.50 | amro | I think you'd enjoy pvp more with another game |
| 14:54.53 | Trela_ | Ah, yes, WE ARE FORCED to. If we want to complete it, WE HAVE TO. |
| 14:54.57 | Lunessa | I tried to do WSG - It basically was me vs a 5-man gank squad. They waited for me right outside the graveyard for the whole game. |
| 14:55.16 | amro | Trela_: indeed. if you WANT to do something, you kinda have to do it. nobody is making you want it :P |
| 14:55.29 | Lunessa | I don't like PvP much at all. I do enjoy the occasional fight for Hala or Wintersgrasp though. |
| 14:55.34 | Trela_ | Running into a battle ground with 15,000 health is a bad idea. |
| 14:56.03 | amro | Trela_: it doesn't really matter much for most matchups |
| 14:56.04 | Lunessa | Fuck the world if you think I'm going to gear up in PvP gear just to get a world event complete. |
| 14:56.13 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 14:56.37 | Coren{de} | Lunessa, what class are you playing? |
| 14:56.40 | amro | it's blizzard who really didn't think this through |
| 14:56.41 | amro | at all. |
| 14:56.45 | Etanol | Nobody in the world is good at pvp without practice |
| 14:56.47 | Etanol | consider that |
| 14:56.49 | Lunessa | I played the first several months of WoW on a PvP server. I learned one important thing... PvP SUCKS. |
| 14:57.09 | Lunessa | Coren{de}: I play a shaman as my main. |
| 14:57.11 | Trela_ | This achievement would be fine if it was a radius effect or complete this battleground achievement. |
| 14:57.17 | Coren{de} | I see lots of people claiming "pvp is great and sohd is easy" who play the holy trinity of dps (pala, dk, rogue), so their claim is blatant nonsense |
| 14:57.36 | amro | Trela_: no, it just isn't |
| 14:57.54 | Trela_ | is thinking Amro plays a paladin, rogue, or death knight at this point. :P |
| 14:57.59 | Coren{de} | hm, shaman sounds doable... unless heal-shaman |
| 14:58.00 | Lunessa | Scroll up, you can see the screen shot. |
| 14:58.02 | amro | Trela_: mage |
| 14:58.10 | Lunessa | I'm totally enhancement. |
| 14:58.18 | Trela_ | Elemental Shaman here. |
| 14:58.18 | amro | sohd is utterly BAD |
| 14:58.20 | Trela_ | I die. |
| 14:58.46 | Trela_ | If the four parts to the achievement were to go into the four battlegrounds and win or lose it would work out great. |
| 14:58.57 | Coren{de} | enhancement should be doable... just do nothing next to the flag-stealer besides clicking on the flag, don't try to kill them :D |
| 14:59.05 | Wobin | sohd? |
| 14:59.07 | Etanol | When I played on my shaman I collected gearsets for all 3 specs plus pvp parts |
| 14:59.08 | amro | it still wouldn't Trela_, you'd still have people who don't want to do BGs in BGs |
| 14:59.11 | amro | nobody is happy about it |
| 14:59.12 | Trela_ | School of Hard Knocks. |
| 14:59.13 | Etanol | for a total of 6 gearsets |
| 14:59.15 | Coren{de} | s/sohd/sohk |
| 14:59.18 | Wobin | ... what's the d? =) |
| 14:59.21 | Etanol | shaman pvp is fun |
| 14:59.29 | amro | I have no idea |
| 14:59.34 | Lunessa | I don't mind PVP where it doesn't end up as me getting bent over a terrain object and given a good seeing to. I like PvP encounters where it's me and 20-40 of my friends and I have a chance to get some licks in before I go splat. |
| 14:59.47 | Lopeppeppy | Like good old fashioned AV used to be. |
| 14:59.57 | Wobin | I used to pvp with a resto shaman friend |
| 14:59.59 | Wobin | as a rogue |
| 15:00.05 | Wobin | She would stand there, looking like bait |
| 15:00.09 | Coren{de} | please don't use "good" in the context of "old AV" :> |
| 15:00.10 | Trela_ | That is not the point. Going in and participating for one match would be fine. I do not like running into enemy cities for certain events, but I can tolerate it for a few minutes to achieve one little thing. |
| 15:00.11 | Wobin | and I would kill anyone who came near =P |
| 15:00.19 | Wobin | but that was all she could manage |
| 15:00.24 | amro | Coren{de}: you prefer racing to the end? |
| 15:00.29 | Lunessa | Wintersgrasp is fun too. I like the vehicles, the guns, the massive fights at the gates. |
| 15:00.32 | Etanol | Lunessa: good control over your character (strafe default, close to keybindings) and swift, dynamic, keybinding presses kind of helps in PVP |
| 15:00.59 | amro | Trela_: you can, but think about others for a sec :P |
| 15:01.00 | Lopeppeppy | I just deal with BOHICA for as long as I must, to accomplish my "objective". |
| 15:01.10 | Etanol | moving between arrow keys and 0-9 keys is way too far IMO |
| 15:01.23 | Coren{de} | amro, that's a false dichotomy. give me a choice where it's not that both answers suck. |
| 15:01.25 | Lunessa | Etanol: If I enjoyed it, I would be good at it. I would practice and gear for it. But, to be perfectly clear - I don't enjoy it, never have. I don't even like fucking Quake. |
| 15:01.31 | Wobin | ... arrow keys? |
| 15:01.32 | Lopeppeppy | I really, really want a game pad. |
| 15:01.40 | Zamoria | anyone recommend a good totem addon? |
| 15:01.45 | Lunessa | Yata. |
| 15:01.50 | Wobin | I use Yata |
| 15:02.09 | Etanol | totem addon?` |
| 15:02.14 | mikma | wobin: you have a shaman?!? ;) |
| 15:02.17 | amro | Coren{de}: it was a relative question |
| 15:02.21 | Lunessa | Use the alpha from WoW Ace, the "release/Beta" version on curse is not 3.1 happy. |
| 15:02.22 | mikma | i use my own addon for totems :P |
| 15:02.35 | Wobin | mikma: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuupy |
| 15:02.39 | Coren{de} | amro: relative seen, both kinds suck horribly, just in different ways |
| 15:03.01 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042709_212444.jpg |
| 15:03.02 | Wobin | just a young'un |
| 15:03.33 | Zamoria | lemme guess... Yet Another Totem Addon? |
| 15:03.37 | amro | Coren{de}: then why did you single out "old AV"? oO |
| 15:03.44 | Lunessa | Zamoria: Yes. |
| 15:03.47 | Wobin | mikma: Your combat log thing looks to work well =) |
| 15:03.59 | Coren{de} | amro: AV should go for about three hours, and should end at a point where both sides had ample time to summon the special NPCs that should be buffed up to make a huge difference, it should not take 12 hours to queue and 36h till finish |
| 15:04.01 | mikma | wobin: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sylvanas&n=Mikma |
| 15:04.01 | Lunessa | mikma: You dirty clicker you! You'll never PWN in PvP! |
| 15:04.18 | Coren{de} | amro: currently, it's far too short, the old AV was insanely long |
| 15:04.24 | mikma | wobin: tekkub recoded it completely ^^ |
| 15:04.35 | mikma | lunessa: yeah :( |
| 15:04.46 | Lunessa | Old AV was a raid killer - people queued for days and left raids when it popped. :P |
| 15:04.51 | amro | Coren{de}: old AV, people were playing mostly for the heck of it. at the start at least |
| 15:04.57 | Trela_ | Missing the point, still. I am thinking about myself and others. PvP IS HORRIBLE AND SUCKS ASS. I only go to Wintergrasp rarely because of the vehicle fun. The achievement changes I suggested are acceptable since they provide reasonable "difficult" challenges. If some one is so utterly disgusted with going into a battle ground and sort of remotely helping to have the game finish they should not bother at all trying |
| 15:05.21 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 15:05.22 | Coren{de} | amro: that's fine until the moment when you want the tokens to buy something |
| 15:05.30 | mikma | wobin: http://github.com/tekkub/MiniCombatLog/tree/master :D |
| 15:05.32 | Trela_ | I hope that did not cut. |
| 15:05.36 | Coren{de} | amro: remove AV as currency and it can return to going forever |
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| 15:05.39 | amro | Trela_: except that they do bother |
| 15:05.46 | amro | they bother me a lot |
| 15:05.53 | Lunessa | Trela_: But... If I want the gorram purple proto drake, I have to do the pvp bits. |
| 15:05.59 | Coren{de} | amro: then it will be a secluded kind of world pvp noone cares about |
| 15:06.26 | amro | Coren{de}: you mean, there's something worthwhile to buy with marks now? where? |
| 15:06.47 | Trela_ | Lunessa, missing part of the conversation with amro there. |
| 15:07.09 | Coren{de} | amro: pre-80 pvp gear? |
| 15:07.29 | Coren{de} | amro: I'd be a lot more strict anyways, I'd allow Arena gear *ONLY* in Arenas |
| 15:07.49 | amro | Coren{de}: that would fail harder than blizzard's current pvp itemization |
| 15:08.09 | Coren{de} | amro: how so? |
| 15:08.23 | Coren{de} | amro: the current pvp itemisation is plain horrible |
| 15:08.29 | amro | and you want to make it worse |
| 15:08.32 | Etanol | hehe |
| 15:08.39 | amro | at least I can get some glad gear from VoA |
| 15:08.49 | Etanol | is this the average us family? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyauGeRa5T0 |
| 15:08.54 | Etanol | :> |
| 15:08.55 | amro | that's like allowing T8 ONLY in Ulduar |
| 15:09.18 | Coren{de} | amro: I want to make it meaningful, fair and even, all which it is currently not by allowing Arena/high-tier gear in BGs. I'd outfit everyone in a standard gear set the moment they enter a BG. |
| 15:09.20 | Zamoria | wtb software authenticator for palmos... |
| 15:09.38 | nicoli_s | youll use an iphone and youll like it |
| 15:09.39 | amro | Coren{de}: then people would just play TF2 |
| 15:09.47 | amro | with identical standard gear and stats. |
| 15:09.52 | Wobin | Etanol: wow crisis of faith =P |
| 15:09.58 | Etanol | (excluding the cat) |
| 15:10.03 | Coren{de} | amro: I'd be fine with T8 only in Ulduar. I see no reason give a server first Ulduar10 for people that have even one Naxx25 piece. |
| 15:10.30 | Etanol | I mean the reaction to the kids beliefs |
| 15:10.30 | Wobin | Etanol: I think the cat was the best bit |
| 15:10.34 | amro | you're not making any sense right now |
| 15:10.39 | Etanol | WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD? |
| 15:10.47 | amro | MMOs are about customizing your character, and epeening around with it |
| 15:10.50 | Etanol | YOU SOME KIND OF SATANIST? |
| 15:10.59 | Etanol | :P |
| 15:11.12 | Lunessa | Etanol: It's not even close. |
| 15:11.29 | Wobin | Satanists believe in God. |
| 15:11.38 | Etanol | -_- |
| 15:11.39 | Coren{de} | amro: Yeah, I get that one. And it's ok (and IMHO sufficient) to do that when people compare lengths and widths all over Dalaran and in world zones. |
| 15:11.41 | Lunessa | That's like saying everyone in Europe loves the EU or is a communist. |
| 15:11.51 | Etanol | that might be true :) |
| 15:11.59 | Etanol | we are all communists deep down |
| 15:12.02 | Etanol | even you, lunessa |
| 15:12.22 | amro | I'm sure if you cut people up, they'd be Red deep inside |
| 15:12.30 | Wobin | dmanit. |
| 15:12.32 | Lunessa | LIES. I'm just waiting to screw you with my Evil Capitalist Schemes. |
| 15:12.32 | Wobin | it's 1am |
| 15:12.37 | Wobin | and I have a craving for cinnamon rolls |
| 15:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 15:12.42 | Etanol | no, it's 6 pm |
| 15:12.43 | Coren{de} | people who use the word "communist" have usually no clue about real communism :D it's not what McCarthy thought it were!! |
| 15:12.58 | Wobin | puts some apple pie in the oven |
| 15:13.27 | mikma | don't fear the reapeeeeeeeer |
| 15:13.28 | krka | http://notalwaysright.com/lenin-inc/1519 |
| 15:13.41 | Lunessa | Coren{de}: That true. However, I'm philosophically opposed to social systems that ignore basic facets of human behavior. |
| 15:13.55 | Wobin | Capitalism is American |
| 15:14.07 | Wobin | ... classy =P |
| 15:14.15 | krka | properly brainwashed ftw |
| 15:14.21 | mikma | also fake |
| 15:14.27 | Etanol | no |
| 15:14.30 | Etanol | why would it be fake? |
| 15:14.43 | Wobin | It's on the Interwebs |
| 15:14.44 | mikma | cause they all are! |
| 15:14.46 | Wobin | It must be TRUE |
| 15:14.47 | krka | sure, all submissions might be fake |
| 15:14.48 | Lunessa | No, Capitalism is for anyone who believes that you can use your money/labor to make more money. |
| 15:14.50 | mikma | everything in interwebs is fake |
| 15:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | I just frellin' taught someone how to cut and paste. That's it. Lunchtime. |
| 15:14.56 | krka | but i dont see anything that gives it away |
| 15:15.04 | Etanol | lunchtime? gotta be fake |
| 15:15.07 | Etanol | krka is fake |
| 15:15.12 | mikma | FAKE! |
| 15:15.14 | Etanol | omg first! fake! boring lolz |
| 15:15.28 | krka | Etanol is shop'd |
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| 15:15.32 | krka | i see the pixels |
| 15:15.43 | Wobin | krka's hed is pasted on yey |
| 15:15.55 | Coren{de} | Lunessa, the biggest problem with the basic facets is just that we allow the accumulation of power, even these days... |
| 15:16.03 | Etanol | I have a PHD in pixlyness and my professional oppinion is that the pixels are real |
| 15:16.12 | Spellbinder | <Lunessa> No, Capitalism is for anyone who believes that you can use your money/labor to make more money. <-- allthough this is true, it is also that many people think they are worth more then others, IE no money welcome to die because you don't afford health care etc |
| 15:16.13 | Etanol | not shopped |
| 15:17.09 | kluge | the problem with capitalism i guess is that its more often used as a way to make moer money off other peoples labour rather than ones own. |
| 15:17.24 | Coren{de} | The issue is not that money can be used to make more money. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and any actual economic system will build on that. The question is how much power and profit margin should go to the lender and how much to those who put that money into profit... |
| 15:17.30 | Etanol | I love the youtube clip where they ask americans to point out iraq on a map.. and somebody point at australia ^^ |
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| 15:18.28 | mikma | etanol: that's because australia has text "IRAQ" on it |
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| 15:18.42 | Etanol | mikma: oh, I didn't realise |
| 15:18.50 | kluge | its just too easy to take advantage of those less fortunate. |
| 15:18.59 | mikma | hehe, yeah they changed the country names from the map with every person |
| 15:19.10 | kluge | so u get all sorts of 'human rights' and 'unions' etc. which end up being a better system overall anyhow. |
| 15:19.17 | Coren{de} | Non-money based societies will lend/lease the actual tools, which is not really different. |
| 15:19.21 | Etanol | unions r fake |
| 15:19.22 | Lunessa | kluge: The idea that I finance your endeavor and I also reap the reward is fine. But as in all things, the devil is in the details. |
| 15:19.22 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: imo the problem is with people who say "should" too much. There is no "should" when it comes to profit margins. If margins are high, it'll attract competition |
| 15:19.43 | krka | doesn't work for all areas though |
| 15:19.59 | krka | it may work for brands of cereal, but probably not so much for operating systems |
| 15:20.20 | Coren{de} | Zamoria: If competition WORKED, I'd be on your side. In the reality out there, competition is kinda broken or fundamentally dead. |
| 15:20.34 | kluge | to me the biggest problem with capitalism is inheritance. |
| 15:20.36 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: only where government interferes in the market imo |
| 15:20.41 | krka | 1) competition 2) I HAS PATENTZ.. SUUUUUEEEE!!! 3) profit! |
| 15:20.43 | kluge | it completely unbalances the playing field. |
| 15:20.55 | Lunessa | Oh, I don't know. Operating Systems see a lot of competition. Microsoft played dirty, but most of the competition also sucked. O/S2 anyone? |
| 15:20.58 | kluge | if equal playing field was real, then maybe capitalism is a great idea.. |
| 15:21.09 | Zamoria | kluge: it's not that big of a problem. most fortures are squandered within two or three generations |
| 15:21.22 | kluge | but since inheritance is the cultural standard it ends up with a lot of idiots with too much influence. |
| 15:21.23 | Coren{de} | It's not just in the software/patents field. Look at pharmacy. Look at television. Look at media networks. |
| 15:21.25 | Zamoria | and it's not like the money just sits there... it's tied up in investments |
| 15:21.32 | Lunessa | Playing fields are never naturally equal. |
| 15:21.35 | Spellbinder | lol still on money |
| 15:21.41 | kluge | zamoria, but in that squandering and investment lies quite a bit of influence. |
| 15:21.54 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: all of those industries are heavily interfered with by the government. They often depend on state mandated monopolies |
| 15:21.59 | Coren{de} | Look at having freaking just two parties! |
| 15:22.10 | kluge | look at the bush family say. |
| 15:22.35 | Lunessa | Coren{de}: The US has more than 2. Only 2 get much attention outside the US. |
| 15:22.37 | Zamoria | kluge: again, their power comes from being in bed with congress not from simply having lots of money |
| 15:23.02 | Lunessa | And bash them as you will, the Bush family is no worse than many other political leaders around the world. :P |
| 15:23.09 | Coren{de} | Zamoria: well, if the only playing field where your competition works is the carpenter around the corner, I have to say, I haven't smoked enough today to believe that competition will save the day. |
| 15:23.30 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: level playing fields are overrated. people are not equal. |
| 15:23.47 | Coren{de} | Zamoria: most non-sensical argument of that topic, sorry. |
| 15:23.48 | kluge | zamoria, thats true in a way but the achieved their political influence through economic means. |
| 15:23.53 | Zamoria | as long as you get a decent primary education, you can compete in the world. |
| 15:24.32 | Zamoria | bitching over the rich-poor gap is nothing more than class envy |
| 15:24.58 | Lunessa | OK, lunch time for me, then off to work. Back later. |
| 15:25.09 | Coren{de} | Zamoria: decent primary education for the lower classes? I didn't know you were joking all this time. kk. |
| 15:25.22 | Zamoria | huh? |
| 15:26.01 | kluge | so the reason the ideals of capitalism arent executed |
| 15:26.21 | kluge | unfortunately is the exact rich-poor gap and tradition of inheritance youve described zamoria. |
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| 15:26.56 | kluge | which is why it will probably fail as a system although it is a great idea. |
| 15:27.02 | kluge | capitalism only works in theory. |
| 15:27.12 | Zamoria | people say the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This isn't true. The rich get richer faster than the poor get richer, so the poor bitch. |
| 15:27.16 | Spellbinder | same as communism |
| 15:27.33 | Coren{de} | rofl, Zamoria. You've got no clue. |
| 15:27.50 | Zamoria | The poor in the US (one of the most capitalistic countries) have a higher standard of living than middle class in many other countries |
| 15:27.50 | kluge | is that a fact zamoria? do you mind sourcing that information? |
| 15:28.04 | Coren{de} | look at income statistics (net) from 1945 to 1990 and compare with 2009 |
| 15:28.16 | Etanol | Zamoria: hahahah |
| 15:28.20 | Spellbinder | truth is people kill for diamonds, gold, drugs, oil, medic etc etc, thus capitalism failblog |
| 15:28.40 | Zamoria | Spellbinder: that's not a failure of capitalism that's a failure of the state to protect its citizen's rights |
| 15:28.49 | Floo | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/115869/ |
| 15:29.01 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: dollar amounts aren't whaat i'm talking about. i'm talking about standard of living |
| 15:29.01 | Spellbinder | its the capitalistic state that does it |
| 15:29.04 | Spellbinder | chees |
| 15:29.14 | Floo | how to change text in widget created this way? please |
| 15:29.14 | Etanol | Zamoria: please, take a moment to compare the amount of homeless between US and i.e. norway |
| 15:29.16 | Zamoria | Spellbinder: a state can't be capitalistic. you're thinking of corporatism |
| 15:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | thinks that dead horse topics shouldn't invade channels. |
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| 15:29.40 | Spellbinder | cororates own the state |
| 15:29.41 | Zamoria | people get corporatism and capitalism confused a lot. capitalism is nothing more than voluntary interaction |
| 15:29.42 | Wobin | drops a dead cow in the middle of the camp, ala Dog Soldiers. |
| 15:29.46 | Spellbinder | corporates even |
| 15:29.49 | Zamoria | Spellbinder: only because the state allows them to |
| 15:29.55 | Spellbinder | so? |
| 15:30.03 | Spellbinder | it's still a fact |
| 15:30.07 | Zamoria | so........ don't let teh state get in bed with corporations... |
| 15:30.11 | Zamoria | is a much worthier fight |
| 15:30.21 | Coren{de} | Zamoria: I'm talking right about that. Net income based on actual amount of stuff you can buy. It has DECLINED on average for the worker class steadily from 1990 to today and it's probably going faster with the current crisis. |
| 15:30.23 | kluge | the corporations will always have the financial influence to control the media |
| 15:30.36 | kluge | which will cause even democratic countries to elect the most corporate possible leaders. |
| 15:30.47 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: key word... crisis |
| 15:30.47 | kluge | government is necessarily a tool of corporation. |
| 15:30.52 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: this is #wowuidev, there is no sense generally. |
| 15:31.05 | Etanol | you can't discuss things like this with a patriot like zamoria... |
| 15:31.05 | Etanol | "<my_country> is the best lol!" |
| 15:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | I know, Indie, but I can dream sometimes. |
| 15:31.19 | Spellbinder | kluge true and i could throw out fact after fact about it all Zamoria, but i think you will get it eventually, and my time is pressious |
| 15:31.25 | Zamoria | Etanol: wtf are you talking about? I hate the way american system is set up... |
| 15:31.25 | Floo | is there channel for ACE? |
| 15:31.34 | Zamoria | Floo: #wowace |
| 15:31.36 | Industrial | #wowace |
| 15:31.49 | Coren{de} | Crisis in the ass-backwards sense it's currently used. Actually, the way the thing is handled is neither curing nor even dampening the effect, especially on the worker class. |
| 15:31.51 | Spellbinder | Floo try to use the /list ACE comand |
| 15:31.57 | Spellbinder | oh nm |
| 15:32.04 | kluge | no zamoria will probably die thinking the poor of the world are just complaining too much and should get back in their sweatshops. |
| 15:32.08 | Etanol | Zamoria: still you praise the USA living standards, and say that US has higher class than other countries |
| 15:32.11 | kluge | probably will never learn. |
| 15:32.18 | Etanol | s/say/claim/ |
| 15:32.26 | Spellbinder | sure he will kluge |
| 15:32.27 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: my point was that everyone's income is declining right now... this is oldnews. you think the rich aren't hurt at all by the recession? |
| 15:32.35 | Coren{de} | HURT? |
| 15:32.37 | Coren{de} | HURT? |
| 15:32.40 | Spellbinder | rofl hurt |
| 15:32.42 | kluge | lol |
| 15:32.42 | Coren{de} | Are you freaking kidding? |
| 15:32.47 | Industrial | the rich should be hurt most \:D/ |
| 15:32.54 | Spellbinder | hahaha seriously enuff Zamoria |
| 15:32.54 | kluge | yes i know. one of my neighbours almost had to sell his yacht. |
| 15:32.58 | kluge | seriously. |
| 15:33.00 | kluge | he thought about it. |
| 15:33.18 | Zamoria | Etanol: i said nothing about the US being better. I said that the standard of living of people we classify as "poor" is higher than other countries |
| 15:33.18 | Spellbinder | that made me really laugh, thx |
| 15:33.21 | kluge | np |
| 15:33.24 | Zamoria | I didn't specify which ones |
| 15:33.26 | Coren{de} | there's people who have no savings whatsoever losing their jobs, houses, sources of income, and the fact that the rich can't buy the same amount of porsches for their garage HURTS them? holy mother... |
| 15:33.39 | Spellbinder | health care |
| 15:33.44 | Zamoria | did i ever say poor people weren't hurt more? |
| 15:33.45 | Zamoria | no |
| 15:33.59 | Zamoria | start paying attention to my words people... you're reading more into them than is there |
| 15:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | Christmas trees smell green. |
| 15:34.02 | Etanol | Zamoria: how does that work out, since you have a really high rate of homeless people? |
| 15:34.07 | kluge | <Zamoria> people say the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This isn't true. The rich get richer faster than the poor get richer, so the poor bitch. |
| 15:34.17 | Coren{de} | Rich people are NOT hurt. HUNGER hurts. SICKNESS hurts. Not being able to buy fancy stuff = NO hurt. |
| 15:34.21 | kluge | you just said that zamoria which im mostly waiting for a source still.. :( |
| 15:34.25 | Zamoria | Etanol: homeless people are a minute fraction of what we consider "poor" in this country |
| 15:34.29 | Zamoria | it's an edge case |
| 15:34.43 | Movix1 | hi, i did not understood how the .pkmeta is handling depencies. Are download counter incremented for an .pkmeta embeded lib whan the addon is downloaded or is it just packaged in the download archive upon SVN comit ? |
| 15:34.58 | Spellbinder | edge case? |
| 15:35.11 | Spellbinder | ok thats it, you are just thick sorry |
| 15:35.14 | Zamoria | ... |
| 15:35.18 | Etanol | Zamoria: that only shows the average intelligence level of US. |
| 15:35.20 | kluge | zamoria, are the rich and poor getting richer or poorer, btw? |
| 15:35.20 | Lopeppeppy | Movix, is there some specific site you're uploading to/using? |
| 15:35.24 | kluge | you cant seem to decide. |
| 15:35.26 | Zamoria | did i ever say i don't support the homeless? |
| 15:35.46 | Zamoria | Spellbinder: like i said you're reading more into what I say than is there |
| 15:35.49 | Spellbinder | good for you |
| 15:35.50 | Etanol | no, neither did I |
| 15:36.27 | Zamoria | kluge: both are getting poorer... that's the whole idea of a recession... |
| 15:36.39 | kluge | then why did you say theyre getting richer? |
| 15:36.54 | Etanol | troll alert! |
| 15:36.57 | kluge | "The rich get richer faster than the poor get richer, so the poor bitch." |
| 15:37.01 | Coren{de} | but the one side got a lot more richer in the previous years and could buffer and CAN buffer thru the recession, the other side simply can't |
| 15:37.05 | Spellbinder | hihihi pls leave him |
| 15:37.05 | Zamoria | kluge: we keep switching between long term and short term context |
| 15:37.24 | kluge | lol nice try. |
| 15:37.24 | Zamoria | and also between generalities and specifics |
| 15:37.28 | Etanol | "Let me prove that by dividing by zero." |
| 15:37.33 | Zamoria | *sigh* |
| 15:37.39 | Coren{de} | actually, the richness of the previous years was nothing less than taking the future profits for granting and selling them before earning them |
| 15:37.45 | Movix1 | opeppeppy: curseforge |
| 15:37.52 | Coren{de} | s/granting/granted |
| 15:37.56 | Movix1 | *Lopeppeppy |
| 15:38.06 | Lopeppeppy | Movix1, and you're trying to upload addons there? |
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| 15:38.43 | Coren{de} | that's what all the CDO and things were about, selling future profits now and taking that money to countries that allow hiding money |
| 15:38.43 | Movix1 | what's wrong with it ? |
| 15:39.04 | Lopeppeppy | Movix1, I'm trying to clarify your question so I understand it, I never said anything was wrong. |
| 15:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | If I understand it correctly, if something is embedded in a larger package, download counts for embedded items are probably NOT incremented when the package is downloaded. |
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| 15:43.16 | Etanol | An ameican atheist: HI MY NAME I STAN AND I'M AN ATHEIST AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM BEING AN ATHEIST! |
| 15:43.16 | Etanol | A european atheist: Hi, what's up? |
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| 15:43.53 | Zamoria | Etanol: if the US weren't run by fundies, that might be a profound observation... :P |
| 15:44.29 | kluge | lol |
| 15:44.50 | Coren{de} | As an european, I have trouble getting the punchline... :D |
| 15:44.50 | VonhintenHOME` | I've come to two determinations.... 1) I'm horrible at judging mage gear upgrades, and 2) Hit rating is the devil, makes gear upgrade determination far too variable. |
| 15:45.16 | Etanol | Coren{de}: hm? |
| 15:45.16 | kluge | von, u need to get hit cap.. after that its all gravy. |
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| 15:45.34 | Zamoria | seriously... we have guys in congress arguing against environmental regulations quoting the bible verses claiming god won't let the world be destroyed until jesus returns. |
| 15:45.36 | VonhintenHOME` | it's not gravy though. once you hit the cap, gear value changes, sometimes drastically |
| 15:46.00 | kluge | lol no von, im sorry i was jk i dont even know about casting dps.. |
| 15:46.16 | Coren{de} | yeah, we have similar guys in parliament as well... :| |
| 15:46.24 | Etanol | Coren{de}: where? |
| 15:46.24 | kneeki | Morning Eveyrone |
| 15:46.45 | Coren{de} | Etanol: .de |
| 15:46.49 | Wobin | hm, SpaceSniffer is a pretty cool app |
| 15:46.58 | kluge | von, how does gear value change when you reach hit cap? its 17% for casting right? |
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| 15:47.03 | Wobin | Makes it easy to visualise how your hard drives are being used |
| 15:47.09 | Coren{de} | 9% I thought |
| 15:47.14 | Wobin | 9 is melee |
| 15:47.17 | Wobin | er 8 |
| 15:47.32 | Coren{de} | 9% is 2H melee. 17% is DW? |
| 15:47.34 | VonhintenHOME` | Because once you hit the hit cap, hit rating's value = 0 |
| 15:47.43 | Wobin | 17 for casting |
| 15:47.53 | Etanol | I think 8% for level 80, 9% for 83+elites+bosses |
| 15:48.07 | VonhintenHOME` | it's 17% for spell hit |
| 15:48.11 | Etanol | melee 2h: 8/8%. melee DW: 8/17% |
| 15:48.17 | Wobin | it's not 9% |
| 15:48.20 | Wobin | not anymore |
| 15:48.28 | Etanol | 8% is the soft cap (all abilitys) |
| 15:48.29 | VonhintenHOME` | 25% for DW, 8% for yellow attacks |
| 15:48.36 | Coren{de} | ah. when did that change? I remember it was 9% in BC... |
| 15:48.43 | Wobin | probably 3.1ish |
| 15:48.48 | Wobin | or maybe even just 3.0 |
| 15:48.52 | Etanol | 3.0 |
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| 15:49.14 | Zamoria | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7h08RDYA5E *sigh* |
| 15:49.24 | VonhintenHOME` | imo they need to change hit rating so it has value above the "cap" |
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| 15:49.49 | kluge | why? what could it do? |
| 15:50.01 | kluge | why not just max it out then go for crit or haste? |
| 15:50.08 | kluge | ur getting too much hit? |
| 15:50.32 | Wobin | oh man, |
| 15:50.39 | VonhintenHOME` | because like I said, it's too hard to balance gear upgrades. If a badass item drops that has hit rating, and I'm hit capped, I have to look at it as if it had NO hit rating |
| 15:50.44 | Wobin | whatever happened to separation between church and state? =( |
| 15:50.46 | VonhintenHOME` | which drastically changes the value of that item |
| 15:51.09 | Wobin | VonhintenHOME`: unless you're hitcapped through gems |
| 15:51.14 | Wobin | or enchants |
| 15:51.23 | Spellbinder | everything worth doing is worth doing good |
| 15:51.32 | Zamoria | Wobin: these people would tell you there isn't one... never has been. *grrrr* |
| 15:51.35 | Lopeppeppy | Or taking that new piece with hit will let you take bracers without hit later on.... |
| 15:51.36 | kluge | yah you gotta find some piece with a lot of hit and try to replace it with one with a lot less.. |
| 15:51.44 | Lopeppeppy | That's why you have to always have an eye toward evolving your gear. |
| 15:51.51 | Wobin | research! =) |
| 15:51.57 | Lopeppeppy | And more research |
| 15:51.58 | kluge | id agree with them that there has never been seperation between church and state really. |
| 15:52.02 | kluge | they are both ruling class. |
| 15:52.15 | Zamoria | kluge: we had it going pretty well up until the cold war |
| 15:52.21 | kluge | intent on keeping the hierarchy as it is for the most part. |
| 15:52.30 | Zamoria | that's when they added "under god" to the pledge and "in god we trust" to our currency |
| 15:52.36 | kluge | zamoria still your countrys legal code is founded somewhat in christian ideals. |
| 15:52.47 | Coren{de} | rofl... Microsoft and ODF... http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/05/update-on-odf-spreadsheet.html |
| 15:52.48 | kluge | but that is a sad devolution. |
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| 15:53.26 | Coren{de} | in short: actual and documented ODF Standard and ODF "Microsoft standard" don't interoperate well :> |
| 15:54.02 | Zamoria | kluge: that's another claim "they" like to make. the constitution is entirely secular though. There was a lot of pressure to keep it that way during its creation. The various state constitutions on the other hand... |
| 15:54.21 | Wobin | Coren{de}: Well, par for the course =P |
| 15:54.22 | Zamoria | I mean, there are still laws on the books in 7 (?) states barring atheists from holding public office |
| 15:54.45 | Zamoria | not that they're enforceable |
| 15:54.53 | Torhal|Away | Zamoria: Then there's a plethora of laws about what can and cannot be done on Sundayc. |
| 15:54.57 | kluge | zamoria, maybe marriage is a good example of the christian ideals in american law? |
| 15:55.03 | Torhal|Away | s/Sundayc/Sundays/ |
| 15:55.41 | Zamoria | kluge: that's also on a state-by-state basis. there really isn't anything in the federal constitution that says one way or another |
| 15:55.57 | Etanol | omg |
| 15:55.59 | Zamoria | the only reason the feds recognize marriage is for tax purposes |
| 15:56.40 | Etanol | "In america, where almost everyone is a believer, [...]" -CNN |
| 15:56.46 | Etanol | is that even remotely true? |
| 15:56.49 | Zamoria | yes |
| 15:56.51 | Wobin | "Except for the ones that aren't" |
| 15:56.52 | kluge | yes absolutely. |
| 15:56.57 | Zamoria | ~85% |
| 15:56.57 | purl | 0.85 |
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| 15:57.03 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:57.04 | kluge | i read a while ago that americans trust atheists less than muslims. |
| 15:57.13 | Zamoria | kluge: yep... i've been trying to find that story... |
| 15:57.14 | Etanol | Somebody should build a wall around USA :/ |
| 15:57.31 | Zamoria | Etanol: imo we should've let the south secede :P |
| 15:58.07 | kluge | http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1786422&page=1 |
| 15:59.08 | Coren{de} | well, everyone believes in *something*... even if it's just their own very existence ;p |
| 15:59.27 | Wobin | I kinda think |
| 15:59.30 | Wobin | therefore I might be |
| 15:59.52 | Coren{de} | I feel, therefore I am. |
| 15:59.58 | Etanol | -_- |
| 16:00.07 | Zamoria | Coren{de}: at least you have an actual reason to believe that :P |
| 16:00.49 | Coren{de} | Well, reason is said too much, I have some strong indicators... :) |
| 16:00.58 | Zamoria | instead of something like "An old book says I exist therefore i do" |
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| 16:03.10 | Wobin | eheheh |
| 16:03.11 | Wobin | http://kotaku.com/photogallery/mushroomkingdomscience/ |
| 16:03.18 | Coren{de} | religious people have the kindest heart... or something http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html :( |
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| 16:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | Christmas trees still smell green. |
| 16:04.37 | zenzelezz | not if you've not watered them since christmas |
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| 16:05.57 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | Happy work work, zug zug |
| 16:07.55 | Lunessa | Lok'tar friend. What is it? |
| 16:08.03 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly |
| 16:10.58 | Wobin | May your blades never dull! |
| 16:11.18 | Torhal | Stay away from tha voodoo, mon! |
| 16:11.59 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=133645#post133645 |
| 16:12.04 | kneeki | ^ *giggle* |
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| 16:16.17 | msou| | does this happened to you guys |
| 16:16.39 | msou| | you fly to a camp and you get stuck in the air for 5 sec then no one in this camp no quest givers nada and you cannot even log out |
| 16:16.48 | msou| | until few more minutes |
| 16:16.54 | Lopeppeppy | That's usually a network error, msou|. |
| 16:17.00 | msou| | O I see |
| 16:17.08 | msou| | Weird |
| 16:17.23 | msou| | yesterday world server is down, now this |
| 16:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | Network burps cause strangenesses all over. |
| 16:17.37 | msou| | I see |
| 16:17.47 | Lopeppeppy | If you have issues with your game server, that is kind of covered in my general "network issues". |
| 16:18.03 | msou| | will check it, much thanks indeed |
| 16:18.20 | kluge | yah msou thats a lag bubble.. |
| 16:18.37 | kluge | like your game knows u flew there, but the server didnt tell u about the npcs yet.. |
| 16:18.47 | kluge | so it takes a bit to download and load the npcs basically. |
| 16:18.59 | msou| | mmKay, thanks =) |
| 16:19.03 | kluge | np |
| 16:19.26 | Lunessa | Oh gods it burns! The responsibility, it burns so bad! |
| 16:19.36 | msou| | Back to WoW =) |
| 16:19.43 | msou| | bbl |
| 16:19.49 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya, Lunessa. |
| 16:21.35 | airtonix | what is difference between 'mmkay', 'okay', 'ok' in terms of expression ? /discuss |
| 16:22.05 | Zamoria | you forgot kk & k |
| 16:22.18 | airtonix | also add to that sentences that start with : 'uhhhh', 'ummmm', 'errrrr' |
| 16:22.38 | Coren{de} | mmkay is more doubtful than okay, ok |
| 16:22.39 | Etanol | if you use "mmkay" you need to say it like dr.cox |
| 16:22.42 | Zamoria | mmkay is just a contraction of ummmm and okay imo |
| 16:23.19 | Coren{de} | and kk/k imply a "continue with next topic, I got this one about three hours ago" |
| 16:23.36 | Etanol | don't forget roger and affirmative |
| 16:23.42 | Etanol | and copy that |
| 16:23.48 | airtonix | ten four |
| 16:23.53 | Zamoria | roger Roger. What's our vector Victor? |
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| 16:24.03 | Coren{de} | that's just "Ok, and I have a military epeen" :p |
| 16:24.20 | airtonix | no no no, it's run there is a bomb with a smiley face heading your way |
| 16:24.55 | Etanol | all hitman victors be advised, hostiles on your four |
| 16:25.15 | Etanol | "mmkay" |
| 16:25.16 | Etanol | hahaha |
| 16:25.31 | airtonix | ok, when someone says 'kk', it reminds me of die hard 2(or3) with that funny little italian guy |
| 16:26.03 | airtonix | kay kay kay |
| 16:26.07 | kluge | "np" is not bad. |
| 16:26.19 | airtonix | iswydt |
| 16:26.46 | Wobin | "Drugs are Bad, mmmkay?" |
| 16:26.51 | airtonix | ^ |
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| 16:27.10 | airtonix | thats where i see the expression coming from.... |
| 16:27.42 | airtonix | condesending? |
| 16:27.46 | Wobin | Actually, I find people who type "mmhmm" as an affirmative highly irritating =P |
| 16:27.50 | airtonix | same |
| 16:28.07 | Wobin | Not only can't you be bothered opening your mouth to say "yes" |
| 16:28.11 | kneeki | mmhmm |
| 16:28.11 | Wobin | You can't be bothered typing it. |
| 16:28.17 | kneeki | huhuhuhu |
| 16:28.28 | airtonix | a: hi answer my question, b: blahblahblah, a: mmkay, no i think you are wrong |
| 16:28.56 | Etanol | o rly? |
| 16:29.00 | airtonix | yrly |
| 16:29.28 | airtonix | ok next 'bastardised-newspeak' phrase : no-u |
| 16:29.45 | Wobin | inorite? |
| 16:30.14 | airtonix | is this the shortform of : i know you are, you said you are, but what am i? |
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| 16:30.32 | Etanol | can has var? |
| 16:31.03 | Etanol | is var true? { NO WAI! } o rly? { YE WAY } |
| 16:31.13 | Wobin | inorite = "I know, right?" |
| 16:31.48 | kluge | 'amirite' most annoying. |
| 16:31.55 | kluge | amirite |
| 16:32.05 | Torhal | Drive thru |
| 16:32.10 | Torhal | Late nite |
| 16:32.29 | airtonix | wot |
| 16:32.45 | airtonix | rouge |
| 16:34.32 | Etanol | airtonix: s/ug/gu/ |
| 16:36.17 | kluge | has there been any cases of people bugging out and thinking wows real and theyre like a warrior or w/e yet? |
| 16:37.34 | airtonix | saw a video of a kid thinking he was a rogue in school |
| 16:37.36 | airtonix | epic fail |
| 16:37.44 | Etanol | NO! WIN! |
| 16:37.50 | Etanol | he pwned a guy in the back |
| 16:37.52 | Gnarfoz | thinking == playing => meh |
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| 16:37.58 | Etanol | AMBUSH! BACKSTAB! VANISH! poof |
| 16:38.02 | Coren{de} | wow, plating of false evidence is not pure fiction :( http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7413793 |
| 16:38.15 | airtonix | thing is his victim was a world boss |
| 16:38.18 | airtonix | lulz |
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| 16:39.37 | kluge | airtonix that sounds hilarious. |
| 16:39.42 | Coren{de} | Sometimes I should not read news, it's interfering with taking fiction for fiction... |
| 16:40.04 | Etanol | airtonix: this? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H4yKF0EDcQ |
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| 16:41.52 | kluge | that is awesome. |
| 16:43.08 | Lunessa | Trust no one! |
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| 16:44.40 | Lopeppeppy | OMG. Mostly SFW, but wrong once you realize what you're seeing. http://themovieblog.com/2009/05/ladies-and-gentlemen-the-red-neck-tank-top |
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| 16:44.58 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:44.58 | Torhal | ... |
| 16:45.03 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 16:45.14 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Chesterwear? |
| 16:45.33 | Lunessa | Peppy - Have to wonder if it gives any real support. |
| 16:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | And if they threw away the jock part of it or re-used it somehow... |
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| 16:47.36 | Lunessa | .... http://xkcd.com/578/ ... I can't decide if this is pure win, pure awesome, or an unholy amalgam of both that is somehow transcendental. |
| 16:48.02 | Shirik | Lunessa: It can only get better |
| 16:48.05 | Shirik | xkcd once a week this week :D |
| 16:48.15 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 16:48.22 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, once a day. I get it. |
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| 16:48.58 | Lunessa | Shirik was just setting new temporal boundary conditions for the English variables. |
| 16:49.21 | Lopeppeppy | Luckily, I speak Shirik and was able to interpret. |
| 16:49.28 | Shirik | :/ |
| 16:49.32 | Wobin | once a week 7 times a week for small enough values of 'week' |
| 16:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Shirik. |
| 16:49.48 | Shirik | I'm not used to being up this early |
| 16:50.16 | Lunessa | Shirik: lies. You're ALWAYS online at this hour. Check the logs. TEST THE DNA! |
| 16:51.05 | Shirik | maybe online at this hour, because I just woke up |
| 16:51.08 | Shirik | I woke up at 9 this morning |
| 16:51.11 | Shirik | I'm at the train station ow |
| 16:51.12 | Shirik | now |
| 16:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | Where ya goin', Shirik? |
| 16:52.39 | Shirik | home |
| 16:52.40 | Lunessa | Clarksville. |
| 16:52.47 | Lunessa | You can meet him at the station. |
| 16:52.54 | Shirik | Cairenn, seriously, where do you find these smilies |
| 16:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | I probably could, Lunessa. |
| 16:53.03 | Shirik | the copy and paste one I wouldn't even think to look for |
| 16:53.10 | Lunessa | You can be here by 4:30? |
| 16:53.14 | Coren{de} | xkcd is just pure win, I find it hard to break the break if I hit xkcd in the break accidently :D |
| 16:54.00 | airtonix | Etanol, yes, like i said.... epic fail |
| 16:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | I think that Shirik's home is closer to me than you, Lunessa. |
| 16:54.14 | Lopeppeppy | But I could be wrong. |
| 16:54.14 | airtonix | night elf faggotry |
| 16:54.22 | Shirik | northern virginia |
| 16:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I thinked. |
| 16:54.33 | Etanol | airtonix: how is that fail? |
| 16:54.40 | airtonix | night elf for a start |
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| 16:55.12 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yes, but it gave me a chance to misquote Monkees lyrics. |
| 16:55.13 | airtonix | those guys should only be seen in YMCA vidoes |
| 16:55.20 | airtonix | video* |
| 16:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | Monkees, harumph |
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| 16:57.56 | Lunessa | Hey hey we're the Monkees! People say we monkey around! We're too busy singing, to put anybody down! We're just trying to be friendly! So come along and sing and play! We're the young generation; we've got something to say! |
| 16:59.27 | Zamoria | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6TEDuDD3Zs |
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| 17:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: slept, that's what you did |
| 17:01.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you jerk |
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| 17:03.07 | Wobin | Zamoria: I like the movie references |
| 17:03.49 | Coren{de} | is the alpha of the Minion Shirik works on available somewhere for those who know what to expect from alpha software? =D |
| 17:04.00 | Shirik | no |
| 17:09.06 | Lopeppeppy | pouts because she can't drink wine at work. |
| 17:09.06 | Fisker- | Thorim's wife is pretty hot |
| 17:10.05 | Wobin | Zamoria: My brain hurts now =( |
| 17:10.18 | Thunder_Child | huh, servers are up already |
| 17:13.50 | Wobin | Zamoria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEnAnU36gag <-- I like the coexistance of metered debate on creationism/evolution and heavy metal music =P |
| 17:14.28 | Zamoria | aronra is pretty full of win |
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| 17:17.51 | Lunessa | brainfreeze! |
| 17:18.09 | Zamoria | http://playhappy.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/hairless-chimpanzee.jpg <-- SFW but may be a bit creepy... |
| 17:19.03 | Zamoria | anyone who can't see the resemblance is daft... |
| 17:21.16 | Etanol | win?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXMuWi0dUBc |
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| 17:22.57 | Syzgyn | I need a good name for a fail mod |
| 17:23.33 | AckisWork | ackismod |
| 17:23.36 | Zamoria | ThisModIsFullOfWin |
| 17:23.42 | Etanol | ahFuck |
| 17:23.58 | Lopeppeppy | PeppyMod! |
| 17:24.08 | Etanol | (reference to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6VoFBCE9k ) |
| 17:24.17 | Etanol | Ah fuck, I can't believe you've done this! |
| 17:24.37 | Syzgyn | Too bad it's gotta be PG-13 :\ |
| 17:24.42 | Etanol | right |
| 17:25.21 | Etanol | maybe |
| 17:25.22 | Etanol | Sileny |
| 17:25.43 | Etanol | reference to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02s8omM_hI |
| 17:25.57 | Syzgyn | Methinks you watch too much youtube |
| 17:26.02 | Etanol | :< |
| 17:26.07 | Zamoria | Failicious |
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| 17:26.54 | Etanol | define fail mod |
| 17:26.54 | Syzgyn | And wtf |
| 17:27.35 | Syzgyn | like FailBot |
| 17:27.52 | Etanol | what's FailBot? |
| 17:27.56 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11819-FailBot.html |
| 17:27.58 | Etanol | announcing raid fails? |
| 17:28.00 | Syzgyn | yea |
| 17:28.21 | Lopeppeppy | Failbot. |
| 17:28.23 | Etanol | No Scrub |
| 17:28.29 | Zamoria | L O L O L Y O U L O S E |
| 17:28.35 | Etanol | NoScrub |
| 17:28.46 | Zamoria | GameOverMan |
| 17:29.19 | Syzgyn | that has potentia |
| 17:29.21 | Syzgyn | l |
| 17:29.25 | Zamoria | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xm1XErUvXo |
| 17:29.28 | Etanol | ShapeUp |
| 17:29.59 | Fisker- | in the mountains |
| 17:30.13 | foxlit | no one can hear you Fisker-? |
| 17:30.33 | foxlit | (no comma is intended) |
| 17:30.59 | Etanol | ~karma foxlit |
| 17:30.59 | purl | foxlit has karma of 3 |
| 17:31.32 | Kirov | ~karma Kirov |
| 17:31.32 | purl | kirov has karma of 1 |
| 17:31.44 | Kirov | ~emulate Kirov |
| 17:31.45 | purl | personally I'd use blow fish |
| 17:31.48 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 17:31.49 | purl | ~pong |
| 17:31.59 | Kirov | ~emulate Kirov |
| 17:31.59 | purl | personally I'd use blow fish |
| 17:32.03 | Kirov | damn it |
| 17:32.15 | Kirov | perl, define emulate Kirov |
| 17:32.29 | Etanol | ~emulate etanol |
| 17:32.30 | Kirov | < syntax fail |
| 17:32.39 | Kirov | purl, what is emulate kirov |
| 17:32.40 | purl | It's too early in the morning for me to be able to read moron. |
| 17:32.48 | Syzgyn | hahaha |
| 17:32.51 | Etanol | hahaha |
| 17:32.52 | Etanol | pwned |
| 17:32.52 | mikma | ~fisker--- |
| 17:33.05 | Etanol | ~emulate Etanol |
| 17:33.13 | Kirov | still syntax fail, that's actually one of the emulate definitions. |
| 17:33.16 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 17:33.17 | purl | Industrial loves manboobs! |
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| 17:34.54 | Etanol | Syzgyn: Touchdown |
| 17:35.06 | Etanol | reference= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtGHMhmrAIE&NR=1 |
| 17:36.18 | Syzgyn | hehe I remember that one |
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| 17:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | wtf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCPA4DHbi4w |
| 17:44.31 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 17:44.48 | kneeki | NightHawkTheSane, lol |
| 17:45.16 | VonhintenHOME` | fuck youtube is slow these days |
| 17:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. :\ |
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| 17:52.21 | Etanol | I need an rss reader :/ |
| 17:52.34 | Dagmar | There's like, one built into Firefox, mna |
| 17:52.43 | Zamoria | reader.google.com imo |
| 17:53.56 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm fond of netnewswire, but google's reader is pretty nice |
| 17:54.00 | NightHawkTheSane | also, today's http://www.reallifecomics.com/ is amusing |
| 17:54.19 | Kirov | pff, like anyone uses firefox / google software. IE6 4EVA! |
| 17:54.50 | Dashkal | cackles |
| 17:54.56 | Dashkal | rlc rocks |
| 17:55.31 | NightHawkTheSane | It has its ups and downs, but it's reasonably amusing |
| 17:56.15 | Dashkal | I kinda miss the guild that spawned from that. But Greg rarely played. |
| 17:57.19 | Dagmar | Kirov: Don't make me beat you to death with a webkit renderer |
| 17:58.03 | Kirov | ew, chromfari! |
| 17:58.19 | Dagmar | Eww.... standards compatibility. |
| 17:58.23 | Kirov | hehe |
| 17:58.49 | Dagmar | I am normally more diplomatic about it with people I like but now I've resorted to telling my own guildmates "Just stop using f**king IE already" |
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| 17:59.06 | Dagmar | There's a whole boatload of W3C spec stuff that IE just doesn't do properly |
| 17:59.18 | Kirov | uses FF 3.0.10 at work and Google Chrome 2 beta at home, w/ a agent hack when he watches netflix |
| 17:59.22 | Dagmar | Rounded-table borders is a huge one |
| 18:00.29 | Dagmar | Kirov: like, for example, http://pawsforconcern.guildportal.com looks quite a bit different in IE than FF |
| 18:01.02 | Dagmar | ...and yeah, the layout is kinda painful still, because after awhile of trying to get freaking IE to display something the same as every other browser, you just want a nice tall building to jump off of |
| 18:01.31 | Dagmar | ...and someone should probably spend a few hours beating their layout guy with a cricket bat that has "DO NOT GIVE PARENT AND CHILD ELEMENTS THE SAME STYLE ID" engraved on it |
| 18:01.54 | |Jelly| | ~log |
| 18:01.55 | purl | hmm... log is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowhead/ |
| 18:01.58 | Dagmar | They're SO CLOSE to having a really modifiable setup, and then you start looking closely at the CSS |
| 18:02.03 | |Jelly| | ~logs |
| 18:02.04 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 18:06.52 | Etanol | :O |
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| 18:19.15 | jnwhiteh | so I need a word to describe tooltips that are displayed when you mouse over something and hide when you leave it (like the gametooltip) |
| 18:19.35 | jnwhiteh | versus the itemreftooltip type of tooltip |
| 18:19.48 | Syzgyn | Whats wrong with 'Tooltip'? |
| 18:19.51 | jnwhiteh | i.e. like.. "Static Tooltip", "Stationary Tooltip", something lik ethat |
| 18:19.54 | Syzgyn | oh |
| 18:19.58 | jnwhiteh | Syzgyn: the ItemRefTooltip IS a tooltip :P |
| 18:20.04 | jnwhiteh | but they behave quite differentl |
| 18:20.08 | Syzgyn | true |
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| 18:20.29 | zenzelezz | what are you using the word for? Name in code, human communication? |
| 18:20.35 | jnwhiteh | human communication |
| 18:20.36 | jnwhiteh | book |
| 18:20.56 | zenzelezz | Infotip perhaps if it's generic text |
| 18:21.21 | Coren{de} | buttonreftooltip? uielementtip? |
| 18:21.31 | Gnarfoz | isn't that actually what a tooltip is? |
| 18:22.09 | Gnarfoz | itemreftooltip (are those the ones that stay around until you close them?) don't feel like "tooltips" at all |
| 18:22.20 | jnwhiteh | btu they are :P |
| 18:22.32 | jnwhiteh | they are GameTooltips |
| 18:22.47 | jnwhiteh | i think I got around it without needing to name them tho |
| 18:22.53 | jnwhiteh | I'll see in a few paragraphs |
| 18:23.20 | Gnarfoz | hm. |
| 18:23.34 | VonhintenHOME` | tooltip is a pretty well known concept, not sure what you're looking for if that doesn't suit it |
| 18:23.47 | jnwhiteh | clearly.. |
| 18:23.48 | zenzelezz | contextual popup |
| 18:23.54 | Coren{de} | standard tooltip... those with a close button are not tooltips, but windows with tooltip-looks :D |
| 18:23.55 | Gnarfoz | I think you're looking for a word on the wrong thing. what you described is a tooltip. anything that doesn't have that behaviour (show when you hover over something, disappear when you stop hovering over something) isn't a tooltip |
| 18:24.04 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 18:24.04 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 18:24.04 | jnwhiteh | it |
| 18:24.07 | jnwhiteh | is |
| 18:24.11 | Lopeppeppy | Random Facebook question, maybe someone here knows. I comment sometimes on a friend's status. That person has a friend whom I do not care to see comments from. How do I put them on ignore in the new facebook? I used to be able to ignore users on the old FB... |
| 18:24.18 | jnwhiteh | If its implemented using the GameTooltip frame type, it is a tooltip in this parlance |
| 18:24.20 | jnwhiteh | can't get around that |
| 18:24.46 | jnwhiteh | but its fine, thanks. |
| 18:24.57 | Gnarfoz | heh, you'll figure something out ;) |
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| 18:25.18 | jnwhiteh | that's what they pay me for |
| 18:26.56 | Coren{de} | it sounds as if itemrefs are an inherited special case noone cared to give a proper class name :> |
| 18:27.02 | zenzelezz | so you were trying to make money off of us zomg!! I'm going to wowmartix |
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| 18:27.21 | jnwhiteh | Coren{de}: well, all that defines a tooltip is :SetOwner, and the :SetBlah methods |
| 18:27.25 | jnwhiteh | the rest is all templates :P |
| 18:27.42 | jnwhiteh | making a sub-frame type for that doesn't make much sense |
| 18:28.42 | mikma | jnwhiteh: "popup tooltips" lolo |
| 18:29.14 | jnwhiteh | "tooltip" and "static tooltip" |
| 18:29.32 | Coren{de} | *shrug* I just think it's not helping to have something having quite different appearance/behaviour just because one initializes Foo = CreateFrame("Bar"); Foo.FancyMode = 312; |
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| 18:34.02 | Gnarfoz | sets mode: #wowuidev +Fancy |
| 18:34.49 | mikma | is now known as Fancyma |
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| 18:36.03 | Gnarfoz | so I'm baffled as to why Microsoft hasn't jumped on the BitTorrent bandwagon, yet |
| 18:36.35 | jnwhiteh | yeah me too |
| 18:36.38 | Gnarfoz | W7 RC1 download through Akamai's CDN (which probably is still the biggest and best of them all) is crawling at low speeds |
| 18:36.46 | mikma | cause big bad softwarepirates (yarrrr) use torrent to download illugalz versions of wankdows |
| 18:36.46 | Gnarfoz | so I'm just grabbing the image from mininova |
| 18:37.28 | Gnarfoz | I read "gals" in that sentence and am instantly distracted :( |
| 18:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | If you say "bittorrent" to a news caster, they'll go "oh, piracy!" |
| 18:37.45 | mikma | exactly |
| 18:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | As I personally know a newscaster who wouldn't do that, that's a partial lie |
| 18:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | But the point stands |
| 18:38.00 | Dagmar | It's not a lie. |
| 18:38.15 | Dagmar | It's about as accurate as saying "This lottery ticket will lose." |
| 18:38.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I can take that |
| 18:38.36 | Gnarfoz | however, if this was at all newsworthy, then wouldn't it have the opposite effecT? |
| 18:39.00 | Gnarfoz | nobody's gonna accuse Microsoft of supporting piracy when they distribute their own software through it... at least nobody sane |
| 18:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the thing |
| 18:39.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't newsworthy |
| 18:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The "common media" would not care |
| 18:39.15 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: should have downloaded it weeks ago :P |
| 18:39.18 | Gnarfoz | right, so why would they care what newscasters say :D |
| 18:39.27 | ScytheBlade1 | "They" don't |
| 18:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Their PR department probably does |
| 18:39.41 | nicoli_s | so how's windows 7's performance with games? was thinking of putting it on my home pc and all i use that for is left 4 dead and game dev with xna |
| 18:39.51 | mikma | omg blizzard supports piracy! they use torrent with patches! |
| 18:40.08 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I wasn't aware it was available even *before* MSDN release... I was aware of the general release schedule though. I just wanted a key, too. It wasn't certain if beta keys would work with it |
| 18:40.09 | durcyn | i've been using it on my gaming box since the beta release, nicoli_s, with no issues |
| 18:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: which is NOT disclosed on ANY aspect of their downloader |
| 18:40.13 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: It's not what you want to run WoW on at the moment |
| 18:40.22 | nicoli_s | i don't play wow :P |
| 18:40.24 | durcyn | wow, tf2, etc, are fine |
| 18:40.28 | mikma | scytheblade1: piracy i say! |
| 18:40.32 | durcyn | Dagmar's obviously hallucinating |
| 18:40.42 | nicoli_s | i just hope visual stuido + xna will work fine with it |
| 18:40.45 | Stanzilla | nicoli_s: it's faster than xp |
| 18:40.46 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 18:40.49 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: that's been established previously ;) |
| 18:40.59 | Dagmar | durcyn: I say this from the repeated stuff in the TS forum that they're not worrying about QA on W7 |
| 18:41.16 | durcyn | Dagmar: be that as it may, it's been better than vista for me so far |
| 18:41.23 | Dagmar | I'd rather not be running something just to find there's a bug that would instantly be flagged 'wontfix' |
| 18:41.24 | durcyn | though that's saying very little. |
| 18:41.46 | nicoli_s | how's the memory usage? liek if i have a laptop that struggles a little with vista, think putting 7 on it would help any? |
| 18:42.07 | Dagmar | If you're trying to free up memory you should probably just get a copy of XP soemwhere |
| 18:42.21 | Dagmar | ...although RAM of all kinds is suprisingly cheap nowadays |
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| 18:43.32 | jnwhiteh | "After I installed Windows 7, nearly half of my 64GB SSD was gone. Disable virtual memory, disable hibernate, reboot. Now only 7GB used. Wow." |
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| 18:44.22 | Dagmar | Smack them with the user manual |
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| 18:47.18 | |Jelly| | Well, I guess I only thought they fixed the alt-tab bug. |
| 18:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | That's what Lunessa says too, Jelly |
| 18:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 18:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Dom DeLuise died... |
| 18:48.31 | Lunessa | :( |
| 18:48.50 | durcyn | damn, i didn't have him OR bea arthur in my dead pool. |
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| 18:52.15 | VonhintenHOME` | bea died? |
| 18:52.18 | VonhintenHOME` | shit |
| 18:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/redshirt/redshirt2.png |
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| 18:59.11 | msou| | does it really occur alot that only one zone lags so hard that you cannot even play |
| 18:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, it does. Shat and Dalaran are big ones for lag. |
| 18:59.52 | Dashkal | msou|: I get that from time to time. More often in layered areas (I tend to assume someone's doing something big on the next layer over) |
| 19:00.34 | msou| | bleh |
| 19:00.39 | msou| | I cannot even log out |
| 19:01.13 | Dashkal | Use the ultimate lag fixer. Alt-F4 :p |
| 19:01.23 | msou| | on a mac :P |
| 19:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | cmd-opt-escape |
| 19:01.39 | NightHawkTheSane | same dif. |
| 19:01.45 | msou| | I know doh |
| 19:01.49 | NightHawkTheSane | http://imgur.com/2c9S.jpg - things are different on the internets. |
| 19:03.38 | msou| | it did help logging out and back in |
| 19:03.49 | msou| | just retarded :/ |
| 19:03.59 | msou| | but thank you guys again for answering |
| 19:04.11 | Adys | alt f4 works on half mac apps |
| 19:04.15 | Adys | because people cba to port properly |
| 19:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | it shouldn't :P |
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| 19:09.09 | Gnarfoz | <+Lopeppeppy> Yes, it does. Shat and Dalaran are big ones for lag. <-- seeing that they're not their own zones, either the whole of Northrend has latency issues or it doesn't. |
| 19:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever. |
| 19:09.45 | Gnarfoz | low fps because of both bad level design and/or computer power however... :\ |
| 19:10.04 | Gnarfoz | I still want to know what changed between 3.1.0 and 3.1.1 :( performance was so good with 3.1.0 |
| 19:10.30 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: large amounts of players = large amounts of data = issues, regardless of the continent |
| 19:11.00 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: "regardless of continent"? |
| 19:11.08 | Gnarfoz | there is only one Northrend |
| 19:11.31 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: 'their own zones', has nothing to do with server lag |
| 19:11.32 | Gnarfoz | if you mean that your own network bandwidth gets clogged up in Dalaran, leading to issues, well :\ |
| 19:11.42 | Gnarfoz | please use technically correct terms? |
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| 19:11.58 | Gnarfoz | "lag" is not low FPS, high server load is not network latency |
| 19:12.02 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 19:12.34 | durcyn | no, but both result |
| 19:12.40 | durcyn | now, what were we arguing about? |
| 19:12.48 | Gnarfoz | dunno, I want cake |
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| 19:16.56 | Lunessa | I want cake too. |
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| 19:19.10 | Adys | Gnarfoz: subzones can lag, too |
| 19:19.19 | Gnarfoz | and someone who d/l'd the Windows 7 RC1 x64 DVD image from Microsoft to confirm that its md5 is 98341af35655137966e382c4feaa282d |
| 19:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: moment, hashes are listed on technet |
| 19:19.50 | Gnarfoz | Adys: separately from another subzone on the same machine? how would that work |
| 19:20.31 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: I was looking for them on the public pages, wonder why they didn't put them there ;) (they even have a "IT Pro? Get what you need here" link that takes you somewhere else) |
| 19:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | File Name: en_windows_7_ultimate_rc_x64_dvd_347803.iso Date Posted (UTC): 4/30/2009 6:00:41 AM |
| 19:21.03 | Adys | if I had to guess, I'd say blizzard is smart and assigning different amounts of memory to different processes dynamically depending on how popular the zone or subzone usually is and how crowded it is at the moment, and compute it with the total amount of people on the instance server |
| 19:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | SHA1: FC867FE1AB2E0A9796F9E4D155B44EA6998F4874 ISO/CRC: 58FB2BE0 |
| 19:21.21 | Adys | if I had to sum it up, I'd say it can lag in WG and not lag in Fjord |
| 19:22.01 | Adys | the former method however would produce slowdowns if a zone becomes too popular, too suddenly |
| 19:22.08 | Gnarfoz | server-side caused by high load, not network latency, though |
| 19:22.22 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: hm, time to whip out sha1sum, I guess, thanks :) |
| 19:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 19:22.44 | VonhintenHOME` | However smart they may be, I'm still sitting in front of instances getting "Additional instances cannot be launched. Try again later" messages... |
| 19:22.50 | VonhintenHOME` | So something is wrong |
| 19:22.54 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 19:23.36 | Adys | at a second shot, I'd also say specific scripts generated by spells or similar effects that calculate specific data within a specific radius, such as AoE spells or similar could affect network latency within view distance but not much further |
| 19:23.47 | Adys | is that enough for ya |
| 19:24.16 | amro | Adys: Zul'Drak roaches? :P |
| 19:24.21 | Adys | something like that. |
| 19:24.36 | Adys | amro: stop being offline |
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| 19:25.54 | amro | Adys: the "view distance lag" part I think is due to the server throttling messages to players |
| 19:26.10 | Adys | what no why? |
| 19:28.06 | amro | what else do you think it is? running different processes based on viewing distance? |
| 19:28.39 | Adys | I'd think a LOT of updates are only sent to players within view distance |
| 19:28.51 | amro | exactly |
| 19:28.58 | Lopeppeppy | Lag is due entirely to the phase of the moon and the mood of the chicken sorting the green cheese. |
| 19:28.59 | amro | when there's 150 people aoeing within view distances |
| 19:29.07 | Adys | throttling messages has nothing to do with it |
| 19:29.09 | amro | that's a lot of updates |
| 19:29.15 | Adys | unless you mean not only chat messages |
| 19:29.22 | amro | no, not even talking about chat |
| 19:29.23 | Adys | and i dont think aoe has much to do with it |
| 19:29.54 | Adys | again a guess shot, aoe would have to calculate affected targets within a radius and set up events every x sec |
| 19:29.56 | amro | aoe has a lot to do with it. instead of sending "frostbolt did Y damage" once, it sends "blizzard did X damage" 30 times |
| 19:30.03 | Adys | no |
| 19:30.10 | Adys | that would just be a dot |
| 19:30.26 | amro | okay, arcane explosion then |
| 19:30.46 | Adys | its not the amount of times |
| 19:30.57 | Adys | if you got 100 people using blizzard in close areas |
| 19:31.11 | Adys | thats a lot of events to watch over |
| 19:31.21 | amro | there's more than just blizzard |
| 19:31.32 | durcyn | events usually aren't as much of an issue as graphics in your example |
| 19:31.32 | amro | heck, even single target spells would increase updates by a large amount |
| 19:31.44 | Adys | huh |
| 19:31.45 | amro | and even DoT ticks are sent by the server |
| 19:31.47 | Adys | graphics are clientside |
| 19:32.08 | amro | durcyn: no, we're talking about latency |
| 19:32.12 | Adys | you're still on the roach example? |
| 19:32.18 | Adys | because im not |
| 19:32.30 | Adys | im talking about 80 people at WG portal spamming blizzard and hurricane |
| 19:32.55 | Industrial | ~seen cogwheel |
| 19:32.57 | purl | cogwheel <n=cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 26d 15h 10m 46s ago, saying: 'so long'. |
| 19:33.04 | Industrial | oh god |
| 19:33.07 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:33.15 | Adys | stop it |
| 19:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I was curious who would do that next |
| 19:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (the ~seen) |
| 19:33.40 | Industrial | seriously though, is he gone for real? |
| 19:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 19:33.46 | Industrial | damnit. |
| 19:33.48 | alestane | As far as any of us know. |
| 19:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | yes. |
| 19:34.00 | Industrial | alright well maybe someone else knows |
| 19:34.03 | mikma | he's here, with another nick, spying |
| 19:34.10 | Gnarfoz | gone where? oO |
| 19:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | Right over there! |
| 19:34.14 | Lopeppeppy | gasps |
| 19:34.16 | Adys | Gnarfoz: in your mom |
| 19:34.20 | Industrial | oooo |
| 19:34.22 | Industrial | xD |
| 19:34.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Away from WoW/everything WoW related, as far as I can tell |
| 19:34.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Adys++ |
| 19:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | I still see him on Facebook, he's alive and kicking. |
| 19:34.44 | Gnarfoz | I'd appreciate that, at least she wouldn't be able to annoy me by talking, if he did it right |
| 19:34.47 | Adys | amro: anyway Blizzard > Arcane Explosion imo |
| 19:35.05 | VonhintenHOME` | Rawr disagrees :) |
| 19:35.13 | Adys | who? |
| 19:35.14 | VonhintenHOME` | for arcane spec anyway |
| 19:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 19:35.22 | amro | Adys: at the WG portal, it doesn't lag because there are no damage updates to send |
| 19:35.25 | amro | nothing happens |
| 19:35.27 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:35.30 | Industrial | with MacroSequence right now how it works is it cycles all your macros one by one and thus if you spam the button bound to /click MyMacroSequenceButtonName it will execute the ability you put in your macros in an order of preference. |
| 19:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | ~huggle gryphen |
| 19:35.35 | Adys | amro: depends |
| 19:35.37 | Industrial | There is something wrong with it however. |
| 19:35.56 | Adys | imo its not damage updates |
| 19:36.03 | Adys | its about target updates in a radius |
| 19:36.08 | Industrial | it doesn't reset. So if you don't press it and it's in the middle of the sequence and something with "higher priority" is off cooldown it will not use it and instead continue |
| 19:36.12 | Adys | who would be affected by it |
| 19:36.25 | Industrial | I'm wondering if It's possible to reset the sequence every time an ability that's usable is found. |
| 19:36.42 | Lunessa | Industrial: He's not longer maintaining any addon code. He released his mods "to the public domain." You want a change, you make it. :) |
| 19:36.54 | Industrial | T_T |
| 19:37.21 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 19:37.22 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:37.52 | Adys | amro: also it lags at the wg portal. but i'd guess there is some optimization voodoo that plays into it and doesnt check for updates if a possible target isn't close |
| 19:38.10 | Adys | at another guess, it avoids checking players in a sanctuary |
| 19:39.11 | amro | Adys: it would only calculate vs attackable targets I guess. but I'm not sure how holy nova fits in |
| 19:39.35 | Adys | knowing blizz |
| 19:39.41 | Adys | I'd say holy nova sends two checks |
| 19:39.49 | Adys | .. let me check the spell too |
| 19:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 19:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://twitter.com/hacklabtoilet |
| 19:40.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That's an actual toilet which was wired up to twitter |
| 19:40.45 | Adys | huh |
| 19:40.51 | Adys | weird... |
| 19:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 19:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | Some things I do not need to know. |
| 19:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I'm going to need therapy, as the world MUST be ending soon |
| 19:41.10 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: its a SHIT IN THE FACE |
| 19:41.12 | amro | I think it should be the other way around: routing twitter to a toilet |
| 19:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | http://aculei.net/~shardy/hacklabtoilet/ |
| 19:41.59 | Adys | amro: rofl |
| 19:43.23 | Adys | amro: HAHAHHAH I win. |
| 19:43.32 | Adys | there are two checks |
| 19:43.56 | Adys | >>> f[15237]["spelldescription_enus"] |
| 19:43.56 | Adys | u'Causes an explosion of holy light around the caster, causing $15237s1 Holy damage to all enemy targets within $15237a1 yards and healing all party members within $23455a1 yards for $23455s1. These effects cause no threat.' |
| 19:44.14 | Adys | >>> f[23455]["spelldescription_enus"] == f[15237]["spelldescription_enus"] |
| 19:44.14 | Adys | True |
| 19:44.36 | Cairenn | what |
| 19:44.37 | Cairenn | the |
| 19:44.38 | Cairenn | fuck? |
| 19:44.46 | Adys | so not only there are two checks, it also sends two spells |
| 19:44.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: at the toilet? |
| 19:44.57 | Adys | Cairenn: is that about twittlet? |
| 19:44.58 | alestane | Cairenn: Hm? |
| 19:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ha @ teittlet |
| 19:45.04 | amro | Adys: that's what I assumed from 2 checks? |
| 19:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | *twittlet |
| 19:45.16 | alestane | Later all. |
| 19:45.24 | Adys | amro: no, it could just send one spell, with a second effect |
| 19:45.29 | Adys | be it a script with values or what not |
| 19:45.39 | Adys | you actually send two spells |
| 19:45.43 | amro | Adys: that's too clean for blizz |
| 19:45.53 | Adys | amro: I know, they should flush |
| 19:46.40 | Adys | http://hacklab.to/ilet |
| 19:46.42 | Adys | 404 :( |
| 19:46.48 | Cairenn | I go to the Blizz forums, it asks me to log in, I hit the log in button, it tells me I'm now locked out, asks me to log in, hit the button again, it asks for account name and password, and it tells me I have no active WoW account attached, I click it again and it says at the bottom of the (grey'd out) list of characters that the characters on this account are unavailable as the account has expireed or is prohibited from posting |
| 19:47.08 | Lopeppeppy | It must be your subscription renewal date, Cairenn. |
| 19:47.15 | Adys | Cairenn: The Twittlet disagrees. |
| 19:47.24 | Lopeppeppy | Remember I had that about 3 weeks ago, on a Tuesday, I was hopping mad for hours? |
| 19:47.35 | amro | Adys: wtb that URL |
| 19:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Cairenn |
| 19:48.01 | Cairenn | Adys: btw, I haven't caught up on the channel scroll back yet, so ??? "twittlet" ? |
| 19:48.14 | Adys | http://aculei.net/~shardy/hacklabtoilet/ |
| 19:48.17 | Adys | http://twitter.com/hacklabtoilet |
| 19:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | A toilet that twitters, Cairenn. *shudder* |
| 19:48.25 | Cairenn | ah |
| 19:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "just wait until the rfid reader gets installed and i can call you by name" buhahahahahaha |
| 19:48.37 | Adys | after twitter brain interface |
| 19:48.43 | Adys | you got a twitter poop interface |
| 19:48.47 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3WMG7edRrk |
| 19:48.47 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: looks like you are right, since I can log into the game just fine |
| 19:48.49 | Adys | HOW FUNNY IS THAT MR 4-YEAR-OLD |
| 19:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | Check your account management page, Cairenn, I bet you see that today is the processing date. |
| 19:49.16 | Cairenn | yeah, probably |
| 19:50.24 | Adys | "so then i ran into a problem. the toilet was working.... sometimes. it would always read the switch input correctly, but it would often have problems posting the message to twitter. " |
| 19:50.28 | Cairenn | yep, today is my 6month renewal date |
| 19:51.14 | NeoTron | Adys: man and people say Twitter is useless |
| 19:51.20 | NeoTron | Adys: they just proved everyone wrong |
| 19:51.50 | Adys | "i'll be posting code as soon as i have a chance to clean it up" |
| 19:51.57 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 19:51.57 | Adys | just |
| 19:51.57 | Adys | ew |
| 19:54.52 | zenzelezz | <Cairenn> yep, today is my 6month renewal date <-- so that's why you never look older |
| 19:55.04 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: lol <3 |
| 19:55.15 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, how sweet. |
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| 20:02.56 | Lunessa | "(why did i need networking equipment in the first place? to share the network connection already wired in to the bathroom for the laser, of course.) " |
| 20:03.31 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.someecards.com/upload/somewhat_topical/lets_stop_worrying_about_suddenly.html |
| 20:04.24 | foxlit | I am me, and I support that message! |
| 20:04.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ... you're not me! although, i -do- support that message, so it's okay |
| 20:09.49 | Lunessa | mmmmm... bacon |
| 20:10.28 | Hirsute | So... first time in Naxx last night. |
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| 20:11.37 | Hirsute | People standing too close together on Sapphiron = funny the first time. |
| 20:11.55 | Hirsute | Unless the people that are too close together are a few dps who won't move away from the main tank. |
| 20:12.11 | Hirsute | And can't seem to understand the screams over vent to gtfo the tank. |
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| 20:12.22 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 20:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | how does anyone actually crowd the tank on sapph? his hit box is the size of.. your mom. |
| 20:12.59 | Hirsute | I *know*. It was amazing. |
| 20:13.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ignoring the cleave, even being within spitting distance of the mt means you're not attacking from behind.. |
| 20:13.29 | Industrial | why are the dps even near the tank |
| 20:13.43 | Industrial | idd |
| 20:13.49 | Hirsute | There was this one rogue that always seemed to be right next to the MT when she got ice blocked, resulting in the tank getting blocked, after being yelled at (by the tank) over, and over, and over to get away. |
| 20:13.56 | Hirsute | and these were people that have been there before. |
| 20:14.04 | Hirsute | I felt very, very sorry for our raid lead. |
| 20:14.28 | Industrial | shrug do it twice raidkick imo |
| 20:15.04 | Hirsute | Industrial: That's what eventually happened. We were pushing it on not having enough dps, so we ended up having to wait a little bit to replace the rogue. |
| 20:15.40 | NeoTron | Hirsute: not enough dps to kill Sapphiron in 10 minutes? ugh |
| 20:16.12 | Hirsute | It was a Naxx25 pug, really interesting, and my first time there, but not an organized raid. |
| 20:16.26 | Hirsute | We did manage it on our 4th try. -_- |
| 20:16.33 | Lopeppeppy | Night all! |
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| 20:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 20:16.38 | Industrial | nn p-gone |
| 20:16.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ST:TOS Scripts, Season 1.. http://www.cafepress.com/roddenberry/5265334 |
| 20:16.52 | Industrial | :O |
| 20:17.07 | Hirsute | And the other fights went much more smoothly, but heavens that one seemed to be hard for people to understand. |
| 20:17.17 | Industrial | meh tos :< don't like it :p |
| 20:17.52 | Industrial | guess with pugs you can't get people to watch a few vids before the show |
| 20:19.11 | Hirsute | *nod* They pulled me in half-way through, but really, actually listening as the raid lead was explaining the fights made things fairly clear. |
| 20:22.16 | Industrial | remembers people failing on vashj |
| 20:22.25 | Industrial | HOW DO I THRO IT ZOMG |
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| 20:25.16 | Hirsute | Heh. I never had that pleasure. I didn't manage to get geared enough for SSC prior to Wrath, which is why I'm just now getting into Naxx. |
| 20:27.59 | Industrial | I'm playing wow for 5 years, and I only started raiding last year in june |
| 20:28.36 | Dashkal | Blizzcon dates: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/25/16904204064-blizzcon-2009-announced.html |
| 20:29.00 | Industrial | I've done 'hardcore raiding' ie 18 hours a week of raiging (not counting getting geared/consumables/the whole nine yards) for half a year and did pretty good but I cba anymore |
| 20:29.03 | Industrial | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Vashj&n=Xamth |
| 20:29.15 | Industrial | I've abandoned the char, and went back to playing horde hunter on another server :P |
| 20:31.08 | Hirsute | I've always been a casual raider myself. |
| 20:32.35 | Industrial | I know I can do it, but it's not worth it for me anymore |
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| 20:37.51 | Etanol | Industrial: make a Christian guild and reject any correct game mechanic fact and make up your own "game rules" that you "enlighten" people with |
| 20:38.38 | Industrial | rofl |
| 20:38.47 | Industrial | but I'm atheist :( |
| 20:38.53 | Dashkal | Then you're qualified |
| 20:38.55 | Elly|20 | that's why it would be funny |
| 20:39.56 | Industrial | I should just make a guild without priests and paladins |
| 20:40.03 | Industrial | cause holy power is fake anyway :p |
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| 20:41.41 | End | it's all...erm...magic anyhow :P |
| 20:43.14 | Lunessa | Hrm... I hope the "queue" for BlizzCon Tickets doesn't hose me this year. |
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| 20:44.10 | Lunessa | Ouchies... $125/ticket. |
| 20:45.42 | Dashkal | heh, with demand what it is, they could probably sell out at 500 |
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| 20:52.55 | Shirik | hey hey. Trying to watch DVD and get some complaints saying that I can't watch it due to patent licensing restrictions or something |
| 20:52.58 | Shirik | I assume it's saying I don't have a codec |
| 20:53.02 | Shirik | any recommendations on a codec? |
| 20:53.11 | Shirik | (free?) |
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| 20:53.51 | NightHawkTheSane | pirate a dvd rip and use vlc/mplayer/windows media player/etc? |
| 20:54.06 | Shirik | not an option >< |
| 20:54.49 | End | where are you trying to watch it? |
| 20:54.54 | Shirik | on a laptop |
| 20:54.58 | End | what OS? |
| 20:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | transcode it to something more sane |
| 20:55.47 | Shirik | Windows XP |
| 20:55.58 | End | weird |
| 20:56.06 | End | what are you using to play it? |
| 20:56.18 | End | wmp or what? |
| 20:58.25 | End | well, anyhow, you could try using vlc, since it uses its own dvd reading code, instead of using system stuff. wmp should just work though |
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| 20:58.50 | End | (I'm not sure how you'd be getting licensing errors with a dvd) |
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| 20:59.23 | Shirik|Ghost | (16:55:14) (@Shirik) transcoding >< doesn't this seem like so much more work than it should be? |
| 20:59.24 | Shirik|Ghost | (16:55:20) (@Shirik) I just want to play a DVD, it's not hard |
| 20:59.24 | Shirik|Ghost | (16:55:30) * Disconnected |
| 20:59.26 | Shirik|Ghost | blah |
| 20:59.45 | End | well, I wondered what program you were using |
| 20:59.55 | End | then I suggested trying vlc if wmp isn't working |
| 20:59.57 | Shirik | nero showtime |
| 21:00.00 | Shirik | or wmp |
| 21:00.16 | Shirik | either one |
| 21:00.55 | End | well, I'd try vlc, since it uses libdvdread/nav/etc |
| 21:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | grab vlc |
| 21:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll just play the dvd |
| 21:02.48 | AckisWork | trolls Shirik |
| 21:02.54 | Shirik | so why is VLC allowed to decode MPEG-2 when Nero is claiming they aren't allowed to? |
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| 21:04.57 | End | it doesn't use system stuff? |
| 21:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't "allowed" to |
| 21:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | legally |
| 21:07.35 | End | indeed |
| 21:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It simply does |
| 21:08.27 | Lunessa | bites the bullet and converts to a Battle.net account. |
| 21:08.33 | Shirik | suprised they haven't been jumped on yet |
| 21:08.34 | End | Lunessa: uh oh |
| 21:08.42 | Cairenn | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 |
| 21:09.11 | Lunessa | Yeah. Good thing they did the announcement early while I can still budget for it this month. |
| 21:10.41 | Lunessa | And if I don't get a ticket, I'm going to pout and not go. |
| 21:12.42 | AckisWork | anyone want to buy a kidney? $1000 PST |
| 21:15.05 | Elly|20 | you mean "WTS kidney 1000g PST" |
| 21:15.40 | AckisWork | that too |
| 21:16.12 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.45 | Lunessa | (misuse of apostrophe intentional to mimic trade chat on my server) |
| 21:17.08 | AckisWork | ANAL [Thunderfury] of the Murloc |
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| 21:34.12 | Kraps | halp there are no launchers for the mmos i downloaded :( |
| 21:34.31 | Kraps | no icons |
| 21:35.57 | Kraps | anyone? |
| 21:38.21 | AckisWork | vista? |
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| 21:39.09 | Kraps | yes |
| 21:39.10 | Lunessa | me does not give support for games I'm not playing, or that aren't cutting me a check. |
| 21:39.53 | Kraps | all i have is the lotro launcher in the notification bar |
| 21:41.11 | Kraps | Lunessa: not asking for support, just answers :p |
| 21:41.50 | Lunessa | Kraps - most likely is a virtual store issue. Read my sticky in the US UI& Macros forum, and cut me a check for $25. |
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| 21:45.51 | Etanol | wtf? |
| 21:45.55 | Etanol | Antiarc++ |
| 21:45.57 | Kraps | no check for you! |
| 21:46.01 | Antiarc | ? |
| 21:46.09 | Etanol | you were decreased |
| 21:46.14 | Antiarc | oh |
| 21:46.16 | End | ~karma Antiarc |
| 21:46.16 | purl | antiarc has karma of 1 |
| 21:47.03 | Kraps | Lunessa: all i see is a hidden file called programdata and one called windows |
| 21:47.24 | Lunessa | Users\AppData.... |
| 21:47.53 | Lunessa | And if there's no check, what the hell am I working for? |
| 21:48.07 | Shirik | Bad Lunessa! |
| 21:48.23 | Kraps | i can give you a hug... |
| 21:48.50 | Lunessa | Shirik: Capitalism is alive and well, and my larcenous heart is happy... |
| 21:49.23 | Lunessa | And it should be Users\UserName\AppData |
| 21:51.33 | Kraps | appdata\local has a funcom folder, no launcher in there |
| 21:52.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon tickets on sale 16 May: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23269 |
| 21:52.21 | mikma | etanol: try ~antiarc++ (the ~ might be needed) |
| 21:52.29 | Fisker- | ~fisker-- |
| 21:52.48 | mikma | that won't work, needs 3x - |
| 21:52.51 | AckisWork | Kraps: I had that issue with lotr as well, pm me on ackis and when I get home tonight I can tell you where the link was to launch it... it's in the install directory though |
| 21:52.52 | Antiarc | rofl |
| 21:52.54 | Antiarc | Hey guys |
| 21:52.55 | mikma | ~fisker--- |
| 21:52.57 | Antiarc | If you relicense your software |
| 21:52.59 | Antiarc | You're cheating |
| 21:53.00 | Antiarc | FYI |
| 21:53.00 | AckisWork | ~Fisker-++ |
| 21:53.10 | AckisWork | Antiarc: quit being entitled |
| 21:53.25 | Etanol | mikma: I'm not meddling with karma |
| 21:53.44 | Kraps | AckisWork: the thing is, i'm not having a problem with lotro |
| 21:53.46 | mikma | earl fiddles with karma |
| 21:53.47 | Lunessa | If there's nothing in them Kraps, it's because the app hasn't run yet. If all you want to do is launch the game use the Windows Vista search feature for the game name. |
| 21:54.09 | AckisWork | 15:39Krapsall i have is the lotro launcher in the notification bar <-- confused oh well |
| 21:54.16 | Etanol | or use linux search and wine it up |
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| 21:55.41 | AckisWork | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa http://addon.hotwow.com/addon%5Caddon_117.html |
| 21:56.16 | Kraps | AckisWork: i can access lotro because its in the notification bar, but AoC, War, EVE dont have any launch points i can find |
| 21:56.35 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 21:56.36 | purl | aesir is an assclown. |
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| 21:56.56 | aesir | I've been called worse by better people. |
| 21:56.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik|Ghost] by ChanServ |
| 21:57.04 | Etanol | ~emulate chanserv |
| 21:57.17 | Shirik | I blame Lunessa |
| 21:57.19 | Etanol | ~emulate jnwhiteh |
| 21:57.27 | Shirik | (17:48:19) (@Shirik) Always say %APPDATA% |
| 21:57.29 | Shirik | (17:48:39) * Disconnected |
| 21:57.36 | Etanol | ~emulate shirik |
| 21:57.36 | purl | I'll whine about anything |
| 21:57.47 | Shirik | That was actually for jnwhiteh |
| 21:57.50 | Shirik | purl was just lagging |
| 21:58.08 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 21:58.09 | purl | I like cake. |
| 21:58.14 | Lunessa | Shirik: It's ok. everyone blames me anyway. |
| 21:58.30 | Kraps | whats a .partial? |
| 21:58.53 | mikma | kraps: file being downloaced and not done? |
| 22:00.09 | Kraps | so AOC didnt download fully? *knits brow* |
| 22:01.22 | Kraps | crap this sucks |
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| 22:02.25 | Kraps | this just in: Wowmatrix not dead yet http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474160156&sid=1 |
| 22:03.09 | nicoli_s | i dont think you can call this just in on a 16 page thread |
| 22:03.42 | Kraps | i just saw it so... |
| 22:03.51 | Kraps | its just in |
| 22:03.54 | Kraps | :p |
| 22:07.41 | Kraps | whos warhammers publisher? |
| 22:07.45 | nicoli_s | ea |
| 22:08.53 | Kraps | ty |
| 22:09.03 | AckisWork | http://paste.wowace.com/589/ anyone review that for me to tell me if it'll do what it's supposed to do? |
| 22:10.36 | Shirik | for i=1,GetMerchantNumItems(),1 do |
| 22:10.44 | Shirik | any particular reason you put the extra "1" there? |
| 22:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | clarity |
| 22:11.00 | AckisWork | aye |
| 22:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a for loop |
| 22:11.10 | Shirik | I think it's fairly obvious :/ |
| 22:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Which properly follows every other for loop out there in syntax |
| 22:11.18 | Adys | uh yeah |
| 22:11.22 | Adys | Shirik is right |
| 22:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Without the trailing 1, it doesn't |
| 22:11.28 | Adys | its LESS clear the trailing 1 |
| 22:11.31 | Adys | er |
| 22:11.32 | Adys | with |
| 22:11.35 | ScytheBlade1 | In your opinion |
| 22:11.59 | Shirik | the extra 1 implies to me that there would be a case where it might not have been a 1, like you wanted to skip every other item or something |
| 22:12.03 | AckisWork | I also do if (foo == true) then instead of if foo then |
| 22:12.22 | Macniel | you could set the content of a Gametooltip directly to a MerchantItem ARLDatamineTT:SetMerchantItem(i) |
| 22:12.24 | Kraps | thats ironic, i found the launchers |
| 22:12.52 | Nechckn | Can someone help me find the notice where Blizzard changed the expiration of auctions while maintenance is on going? It used to let auctions run out over the time, now they don't. Trying to find where they mentioned the change. |
| 22:13.05 | Kraps | in c\program files /sigh |
| 22:13.20 | AckisWork | Macniel: ty |
| 22:13.42 | AckisWork | Shirik, Adys: just my style to expand everything out/use too many brackets/over comment/etc |
| 22:14.03 | Adys | print i -- prints i |
| 22:14.12 | Shirik | ... no |
| 22:14.24 | Shirik | You know, I take off points when people do that on homework |
| 22:14.46 | AckisWork | for being clear? :P |
| 22:14.48 | Shirik | If you give comments, don't just repeat the code |
| 22:14.55 | Adys | yes Ackis |
| 22:14.59 | Shirik | Give real comments about what's going on |
| 22:15.07 | Shirik | a = 1; // sets a to 1 |
| 22:15.11 | Shirik | is not helpful in any manner |
| 22:15.37 | Macniel | you sound like a programming-teacher |
| 22:15.47 | Shirik | I'm a lab assistant |
| 22:16.22 | Shirik | I teach various labs and, accordingly, grade those assignments |
| 22:17.45 | Kraps | 1 more question, it seems that AoC is too leet for my new XPS, theres tearing and flickering, do i just need to change the graphics options? |
| 22:18.01 | Torhal | Do you put a function in your function so you can derive while you derive? |
| 22:18.16 | Shirik | Kraps: Have you turned on vsync? |
| 22:18.32 | AckisWork | so Shirik how many points would you have taken off on me for that code snippet? :P |
| 22:18.36 | Nechckn | During the beta it was very piicky about the hardware, drivers, and settings... from what I know it's still the same now. |
| 22:18.37 | Kraps | lemme check |
| 22:18.50 | Shirik | (p.s. if that resolves the problem, then your XPS is too leet for AoC, not the other way around) |
| 22:18.52 | Nechckn | try adjusting each one, even just a bit, and sometimes the changes are like magic |
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| 22:19.05 | Shirik | AckisWork: You didn't do anything I have an objection against |
| 22:19.11 | Shirik | I just found it odd that you explicitly put a 1 there |
| 22:19.29 | AckisWork | Shirik: lol not even the local targetname = UnitName("target") -- Get its name |
| 22:19.30 | AckisWork | :P |
| 22:19.42 | Shirik | No, because you're actually telling me what you're doing |
| 22:20.20 | Kraps | Shirik: i was being sarcastic, i know my XPS is leet /pats it |
| 22:20.23 | AckisWork | I tend to comment into english when first writing something then remove them after heh |
| 22:20.35 | Shirik | !! you remove comments? |
| 22:20.49 | AckisWork | yes |
| 22:20.52 | AckisWork | useless ones |
| 22:21.04 | Adys | print(i) -- TODO add comment |
| 22:21.11 | theorbtwo | If they are useless, why did you add them in the frist place? |
| 22:21.11 | Shirik | I don't think I've ever deleted a comment that wasn't a "TODO" or one that was attached to code that was being deleted |
| 22:21.15 | Torhal | So you do your layout/design in comments then remove them once you replace with code? |
| 22:21.34 | theorbtwo | Oh, I see. |
| 22:21.37 | AckisWork | like -- Get its name will be removed eventually |
| 22:21.47 | AckisWork | and then I changed how I described functions |
| 22:22.01 | AckisWork | I used to have a description, expected result, inputs, and outputs |
| 22:22.10 | AckisWork | I got rid of everything except for description |
| 22:22.23 | AckisWork | found the rest to be useless when reading through the code |
| 22:23.12 | theorbtwo | Oh. I specificly *wouldn't* get rid of those (unless I changed the code to make them wrong)... |
| 22:23.56 | AckisWork | I found I wasn't updating them and the output/expected result were being documented in the description more than anything so it became redundant, and the fact that my co-authors didn't do that made it look odd |
| 22:24.31 | theorbtwo | AckisWork: Oh, that's fair. |
| 22:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I wound up removing piles and piles of comments in my CS2420 example code |
| 22:24.49 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXTZOSWIUU =) |
| 22:24.54 | Etanol | thisAlgorithmBecomingSkynetCost = 99999999999 |
| 22:25.01 | ScytheBlade1 | What was a 10-line function wound up being 150, and was just an obstruction |
| 22:25.40 | AckisWork | one other thing I did was sections that needed a LOT of comments to describe what was going on? well I got rid of all the comments and just made a wiki page with it so the code is a bit easier to traverse |
| 22:25.50 | AckisWork | catch 22 however because I have to cross-reference shit now |
| 22:26.04 | AckisWork | http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/pages/api/database-documentation/ |
| 22:26.40 | AckisWork | heads home will bullshit after vet/hospital visit... have to remember not to drop gf off at vet and cats off at hospital |
| 22:27.14 | theorbtwo | I often find that most of my comments are URLs. |
| 22:27.24 | mikma | did ackis mean his gf is a pussy? |
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| 22:28.46 | theorbtwo | mikma: I was just thinking he needs to be careful, or his gf is likely to get birth control the hard way. |
| 22:29.13 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Guest9441] by ChanServ |
| 22:31.21 | Lunessa | Antiarc: I'm going to aggressively fork any gpl addon I want! |
| 22:31.28 | Lunessa | can't keep a straight face |
| 22:31.42 | Antiarc | Yeah well, I forked your mom last night. OH HO WHAT NOW. |
| 22:32.14 | mikma | lunessa: start by removing antiarc's licenses |
| 22:32.17 | Lunessa | My mom isn't GPL. So you have to pay the license fee. ELVENTY-BILLION DOLLARS |
| 22:32.28 | mikma | just to get back at him cause the mom comment! |
| 22:32.32 | Shirik | forks Lunessa |
| 22:32.50 | Antiarc | I pirated your mom with WowMatrix! You can't make me pay for it! WowMatrix forever! |
| 22:33.14 | Shirik | I have to say I really loved that Dilbert comic |
| 22:33.18 | Shirik | er, not dilbert |
| 22:33.21 | Shirik | I think it was non sequitor |
| 22:33.38 | Lunessa | True story time: I'm hypoglycemic and I get moody when the sugar is low. Once, a guy kept stealing fries of my plate after I warned him that it was a bad idea. So I stabbed his hand with a fork. |
| 22:33.51 | Shirik | haha |
| 22:33.54 | mikma | cool |
| 22:34.03 | Lunessa | OMG - You WoWMatrixed my mom. Dude... the universe will now implode. |
| 22:34.11 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.33 | Shirik | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/124158/lnq090504.jpeg |
| 22:34.40 | zenzelezz | mikma: do not divide by zero |
| 22:34.47 | Shirik | What happens when you divide wowmatrix by zero? |
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| 22:35.03 | mikma | zenzelezz: oh shi... |
| 22:35.16 | zenzelezz | Shirik: not much I think... 0/0 |
| 22:35.19 | Lunessa | Black Holes - Wehre God divided by Zero. |
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| 22:36.09 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: it's a funny expression, but depending on how you look at it, it doesn't really work as a comparison ;-o |
| 22:36.36 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: True. |
| 22:37.15 | Antiarc | Sure it does |
| 22:37.47 | Antiarc | We think of space as a piece of fabric, and bodies with mass as making indentations in that fabric, right? |
| 22:38.01 | zenzelezz | maybe you do |
| 22:38.05 | Antiarc | A black hole is like graphing -abs(1/x)! |
| 22:38.39 | zenzelezz | I find your lack of faith disturbing |
| 22:38.58 | Shirik | Antiarc: But then it's only a two dimensional black hole :( |
| 22:38.58 | Antiarc | I find your lack of bacon disturbing |
| 22:39.08 | Lunessa | Dude. Now I want bacon. |
| 22:39.16 | Lunessa | And a sigualrity. |
| 22:39.20 | zenzelezz | there are many things more disturbing about me than my lack of bacon |
| 22:39.21 | Antiarc | Bacon is pretty much greasy awesome. |
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| 22:46.57 | Lunessa | If there is no bacon, booze, sex or cheesecake in heaven, I don't want to go. |
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| 22:47.29 | Industrial | cheesecake, mmmm |
| 22:47.57 | kamdis | It's okay Lunessa, I don't think you're going there anyway. And I say that with the utmost love. <3 |
| 22:48.21 | Lunessa | So, you promise to visit me in my condo overlooking the Lake of Fire? |
| 22:48.34 | kamdis | I'll be living next door, me thinks. |
| 22:48.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Movix (n=Movix@mail.schiffmann.fr) |
| 22:48.41 | kamdis | and i'll have Tequila. |
| 22:48.52 | ZorbaBeta | I hear the lake of fire is nice this time of year |
| 22:48.58 | Lunessa | Sweet. LAN party with liquor, bacon, sex and cheesecake ALL WEEK LONG |
| 22:49.15 | Industrial | think you are forgetting about the endless torture and pain part |
| 22:49.19 | Industrial | :p |
| 22:49.28 | Lunessa | Sadly, because it is HELL we'll be playing EQ. |
| 22:49.28 | Zamoria | Industrial: no that's only for the Christians who go to hell |
| 22:49.35 | Industrial | ah, right |
| 22:49.37 | Industrial | SAFE \:D/ |
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| 22:55.08 | Lunessa | Going to X-Men tonight. |
| 22:55.15 | Zamoria | Industrial: Lunessa: http://pastey.net/113657 |
| 22:55.20 | Antiarc | It's a good action movie, but crappy adaptation of the backstory |
| 22:55.22 | Zamoria | (and anyone else, really) |
| 22:55.28 | Antiarc | If you don't know/don't care about Wolvie's backstory you'll enjoy it |
| 22:55.57 | Lunessa | I missed most of that back in the day Antiarc - After the whole Kitty Pryde/Shadow Cat thing I lost interest. |
| 22:56.22 | Antiarc | I was never really a reader of the comics, so I liked the movie |
| 22:56.32 | Antiarc | All my comic nerd friends hated it so hard, though |
| 22:56.40 | Antiarc | (and after reading the backstory on Wikipedia I see why) |
| 22:56.54 | Lunessa | Zamoria: Old joke is old. Oh, and I'm not Christian anyway. |
| 22:57.08 | Pytlask | giggles at http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904294022&sid=1#16 |
| 22:57.29 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2009/05/the-onion-trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable.html |
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| 22:57.34 | Zamoria | Lunessa: exactly :P |
| 22:58.04 | devXiro | question about saved variabled.. I've noticed a /console reloadui will write my SavedVariables.lua, but not zoning in/out of an instance... it this correct? |
| 22:58.37 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:59.00 | devXiro | hmm... I never noticed that before today, odd |
| 22:59.32 | Industrial | Zamoria: lol :P |
| 23:00.38 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm off to the movies. Later. |
| 23:09.46 | Adys | hahah |
| 23:09.48 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.59 | Adys | in someone's signature ad-yahoo-thing |
| 23:10.01 | Adys | email |
| 23:25.36 | Antiarc | devXiro: SavedVars are only saved on /reloadui or logout |
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| 23:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> i totally just now noticed that magatha grimtotem had her own voice emotes |
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| 23:34.53 | Adys | IM IN LOVE OMG |
| 23:34.56 | Adys | IT Crowd S3 |
| 23:35.00 | Adys | the bluffball thing |
| 23:35.02 | Adys | they're using chrome |
| 23:36.23 | mikma | whatwhat? |
| 23:36.28 | Adys | nuffin. |
| 23:42.03 | mikma | muffin man |
| 23:42.25 | Cairenn | holy shit, now we've got some dickhead saying we're going in and removing GPL licenses? |
| 23:42.31 | Cairenn | for the love of ... |
| 23:43.15 | End | o_O |
| 23:44.03 | |Jelly| | Wha? |
| 23:44.49 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16904294022&sid=1 |
| 23:44.53 | Antiarc | Read and be appalled. |
| 23:45.02 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I just saw it. |
| 23:45.10 | Cairenn | and of course, today I can't post! >< |
| 23:45.17 | Antiarc | eh? |
| 23:45.54 | Cairenn | subscription renewal day |
| 23:46.16 | Antiarc | ah |
| 23:46.22 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 23:46.34 | Cairenn | annoying that they STILL haven't come up with a fix for that |
| 23:46.49 | Cairenn | can log into the sites, can log in to check your account, can't log into the forums |
| 23:46.50 | Antiarc | I just have a recurring 3-month subscription. Not sure I've ever had a problem with it. |
| 23:46.50 | Cairenn | stupid |
| 23:47.03 | Cairenn | I have a recurring 6 month, so not like I get it all the time |
| 23:47.06 | End | ckknight uses a DK to post! |
| 23:47.10 | Cairenn | but still, it's annoying and stupid |
| 23:47.20 | NightHawkTheSane | it's the "when it rains it pours" effect :P |
| 23:47.35 | ckknight | End: yea, my main's name isn't "ckknight" |
| 23:47.40 | End | hehe |
| 23:47.41 | End | yeah |
| 23:47.49 | End | I'd imagine so |
| 23:49.04 | End | and Kaelten uses a level 33 mage to post! |
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| 23:49.27 | Dashkal | That might actually be his main :p |
| 23:49.31 | End | haha |
| 23:58.22 | kd3 | ! |
| 23:58.32 | kd3 | a woman getting stripped by a backhoe |
| 23:58.42 | kd3 | sfw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy30OKqGwyA |
