| 00:00.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Tierrie (n=tierrie@209.172.101.206) |
| 00:03.25 | tekkub | THE ADDON APPOCOLYPSE IS BACK! |
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| 00:04.02 | Thunder_Child | ~lart tekkub |
| 00:04.02 | purl | beats tekkub to within 2.54cm of his life |
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| 00:04.22 | tekkub | Curse Premium is the beginning of the end, just after the end of the beginning of the WM end began |
| 00:04.25 | tekkub | er... ended |
| 00:04.43 | Antiarc | A sad part of me enjoys seeing the leeches be a little squeezed |
| 00:05.00 | Antiarc | It's rather amusing how they squeal when their free things that they've paid nothing for and just leech off of others become slightly less free. |
| 00:05.02 | Arrowmaster | can you still not create paypal buttons with a hosted_button_id using a paypal personal account? |
| 00:05.47 | tekkub | why is that part of you sad Antiarc |
| 00:06.01 | Antiarc | Because I feel I should be the bigger person |
| 00:06.02 | Antiarc | And yet |
| 00:06.07 | Antiarc | It's hilarious |
| 00:06.15 | tekkub | I have some spam that can help you ther |
| 00:12.47 | Wobin | Antiarc: Bigger? |
| 00:12.53 | Wobin | That's just ridiculous =P |
| 00:12.58 | Antiarc | Figuratively speaking. |
| 00:13.21 | Lopeppeppy | Bigger! |
| 00:13.24 | Lopeppeppy | *wink* |
| 00:13.56 | Antiarc | I'm plenty big, thank you :P |
| 00:14.14 | Antiarc | rawr, I tower menacingly! |
| 00:14.31 | kd3 | whee. another curse thread on general |
| 00:14.33 | kd3 | >.> |
| 00:15.08 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* I have an amused. |
| 00:15.09 | Antiarc | Blizzard needs "post here if you're an idiot" forums so we can just put them all in the same place and let it be. |
| 00:15.19 | bleeter | Antiarc: that's General |
| 00:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | That's General, I thought? |
| 00:15.23 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 00:15.25 | Antiarc | We need it by name |
| 00:15.30 | Antiarc | The idiots can't find it sometimes |
| 00:15.32 | Antiarc | And wind up in UI |
| 00:15.48 | Dashkal | Remember the ichokeu penny arcade suggested awhile back? Can I have an alternate version that delivers a swift brutal kick to the reproductive organ? |
| 00:16.34 | Antiarc | Imagine how much better the internet would be if you could kick people in the nuts remotely? |
| 00:16.55 | Dashkal | Right up until the trolls somehow get ahold of the controls... |
| 00:16.59 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 00:17.03 | teknakoleair | i just got a custom weapon :) |
| 00:17.07 | Cloudwolf | dashkal |
| 00:17.08 | teknakoleair | for free! |
| 00:17.15 | Cloudwolf | it would be fun to watch a troll fight inbetween two trolls |
| 00:17.29 | teknakoleair | i called it.. Epic Fail-Sword.. |
| 00:17.29 | Cloudwolf | lol im right *kick* im right*kick* ima firing my lazor im right dammit*kick* |
| 00:17.31 | Lopeppeppy | No, it gets boring real quick. |
| 00:17.34 | Dashkal | Oh it would, but I wouldn't be anywhere near my computer while such technology existed :p |
| 00:17.55 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: just think what a boon such a service would be to the future of humanity! |
| 00:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I need lazers in my eyes so that I can just perma-ban them all. Done. |
| 00:18.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'd be the only one on the forums, I'd be lonely. |
| 00:19.35 | Antiarc | Not even me? :( |
| 00:19.37 | Dashkal | You'd still have us in irc :p |
| 00:19.43 | Wobin | wow |
| 00:19.46 | Dashkal | I wouldn't cry terribly of those forums ever vanished... |
| 00:19.50 | Wobin | kd3: I just reread that OP |
| 00:20.06 | Wobin | Is he saying "zomg, Blizzard must own all interwebs to control who advertises what"? |
| 00:20.27 | kd3 | maybe? possibly? I can't get into the mindset of the OP to come up with anything rational |
| 00:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | I can't even find that thread, it must be on page 2 or something. |
| 00:20.54 | kd3 | general thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473975449&sid=1 |
| 00:20.54 | Dagmar | kd3: try a 5lb sledge to the left temple |
| 00:21.05 | kd3 | UI thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474115484&sid=1 |
| 00:21.18 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:21.18 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473915891&sid=1 |
| 00:21.26 | kd3 | lmao. just saw that one |
| 00:21.45 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 00:22.01 | Dagmar | Id' have just quoted the "I am not a lawyer-type person" and responded with "Obviously." |
| 00:23.30 | Antiarc | I really want to write up a sarcastic thread |
| 00:23.35 | Antiarc | But I'm p. sure a moderator wouldn't get it |
| 00:23.37 | Antiarc | And would ban me again |
| 00:23.37 | Aznamir | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50303 |
| 00:23.40 | Kraps | my poor wrist :( |
| 00:23.40 | Dagmar | This crap would not go on if people got their game account banned for the same amount of time they are banned from the forums. |
| 00:23.47 | Aznamir | Swine FluDisease |
| 00:23.47 | Aznamir | Infected by the Swine Flu. Attacking has a chance to trigger an outbreak. |
| 00:23.53 | Aznamir | LOL |
| 00:24.17 | bleeter | Aznamir: you forgot spell 50304 |
| 00:24.17 | Dagmar | How do we get that into Stormwind |
| 00:24.20 | Aznamir | Applies the following debuff |
| 00:24.25 | Aznamir | yeah |
| 00:24.28 | Wobin | "If I am not mistaken..." |
| 00:24.31 | Wobin | "You are." |
| 00:24.36 | bleeter | Aznamir: we've been there this morning ;) |
| 00:24.49 | bleeter | Wobin: no u |
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| 00:33.25 | Kirov | I hate getting to that point where working on an old addon is frustrating because it's so old and badly written, but rewriting it from scratch is too much work. |
| 00:33.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes, the only solution is to nuke it from orbit. :) |
| 00:34.30 | Ackis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:35.29 | Aznamir | yes |
| 00:36.06 | Lopeppeppy | No. Please to say frell, because I don't want you forum-banned. |
| 00:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 00:36.23 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: this is on curse forums, I'm already forum banned on wow |
| 00:37.13 | Aznamir | My grand total since march is... ta-da! 33 dollars |
| 00:37.53 | Ackis | my only regret is I didn't seperate wow/curse donation projects so I could see which site gives donations "better/more" |
| 00:40.18 | Ackis | i blame Lopeppeppy for that |
| 00:40.21 | Ackis | ps Cairenn <3 |
| 00:40.30 | Cairenn | Ackis: :) |
| 00:40.45 | Tierrie | hey how do you spell sexy? c.a.i.r.. |
| 00:40.51 | Dashkal | Ok, I think I'm done with the curse thread. My ability to resist trolling is about to come to an end |
| 00:40.55 | Tierrie | that's right whats ups cairenn? |
| 00:40.57 | Cairenn | Tierrie: ! LTNS, how are you doing? |
| 00:41.09 | Ackis | Cairenn: i r getting angry at people shitting on curse/wowi hence my post the other day... sorry hun... can i blame it on drugz? :D |
| 00:41.20 | Cairenn | Ackis: it's okay *hug* |
| 00:41.24 | Tierrie | hahah we see each other all the time on FB... ;) |
| 00:41.38 | Tierrie | say do you know any super secret iphone dev who knows how to install a kernel extension in the iphone? :) |
| 00:41.38 | Dashkal | "APIs aren't copyrightable, they are in the public domain." I would love to see the precident that established that. |
| 00:41.40 | Cairenn | Tierrie: you know what I mean |
| 00:42.04 | Cairenn | Tierrie: no, actually, I don't, sorry |
| 00:42.15 | Tierrie | cairenn: well you stopped taking my calls, even after i stood outside on your lawn with a stereo playing "Don't Stop Believing..." |
| 00:42.24 | Tierrie | and i believe you called the cops on me |
| 00:42.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:42.58 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't call the cops. *sniff sniff* |
| 00:43.28 | Tierrie | hey give me your address and we can go out for drinks ;) i don't play wow anymore but i'm sure we can find something to talk about |
| 00:43.36 | Tierrie | sorry cairenn, i'm moving on |
| 00:43.36 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:43.44 | Cairenn | Tierrie: ;) |
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| 00:43.53 | Wobin | Cairenn! That's -Journey-! |
| 00:43.57 | Wobin | How could you say no =( |
| 00:44.03 | Tierrie | I know! |
| 00:44.12 | Tierrie | Don't stop believe.... hold on to the feeeeeelings... |
| 00:44.32 | Dashkal | Friends of mine just downloaded that for rock band... I'm scared |
| 00:44.34 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy, Northern Wilds, US. Come find me! |
| 00:44.47 | Cairenn | lol, to multiple comments |
| 00:45.34 | bleeter | Dashkal: http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201801579 |
| 00:46.07 | Dashkal | bleeter: <3 |
| 00:46.10 | Tierrie | sorry peppy, i'm a californian kind of snob, and would only go out with people from big cities that we build on rock and roll |
| 00:46.19 | Tierrie | maybe its not too late, cairenn might take me back |
| 00:46.25 | Cairenn | grin |
| 00:47.18 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 00:47.23 | Tierrie | @cairenn, she's a small town girl, living in a lonely world..... |
| 00:47.26 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn always gets the action, I'm always alone. |
| 00:47.31 | Tierrie | haha now i got that stupid song stuck in my head |
| 00:47.39 | Wobin | woo I derailed that thread! |
| 00:48.10 | kd3 | not that it was tough to do |
| 00:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | Bunch of whiney-arsed snot nosed self-centered punks who need to get out and get a life. |
| 00:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. |
| 00:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | So, how about that local sports team! |
| 00:51.01 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you using paypal or pledgie? |
| 00:51.09 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: pledgie |
| 00:52.04 | Wobin | which is just a front for Paypal, isn't it? |
| 00:52.06 | bleeter | wow post 49 on that general thread |
| 00:52.07 | Arrowmaster | debating if i should just use that instead of messing with paypal to figure out if i can use a personal account or if i have to upgrade |
| 00:52.38 | bleeter | "Curse's "premium" version isn't premium. Anyone who installs their downloader is instantly given full access. If you are paying you are getting ripped off." |
| 00:52.52 | kd3 | yeah.... no |
| 00:53.01 | bleeter | ok, so it's like 10 below here this morniong, not enough coffee for my brain to function.. BUT |
| 00:53.08 | bleeter | that's just all kindsa wrong, yeah? |
| 00:53.17 | kd3 | they flipped the switch today |
| 00:53.25 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I upgraded my paypal account for free, but I used pledgie to start with because I wasn't sure what was going on. Plus it tracks donations which is nice. |
| 00:53.27 | Arrowmaster | my friend said the curse client was still listing him as premium |
| 00:53.28 | kd3 | pretty much everyone doesn't have a premium account any more |
| 00:54.00 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i do! and i dont even have the client installed! |
| 00:56.24 | Dagmar | I could have a premium account if I wanted one |
| 00:56.40 | Dagmar | Because I'm a grown-up and have my *own* money to spend, which probably has a lot to do with why I'm not trolling forums about it |
| 00:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 00:57.02 | Arrowmaster | speaking of having your *own* money |
| 00:57.38 | bleeter | kd3: trying... to... resist... failing... halp |
| 00:57.44 | Arrowmaster | apparently i got an email reply on the 27th about the job i applied to and they called and left a message today |
| 00:57.52 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 00:58.04 | Arrowmaster | they sent another email today too |
| 00:58.09 | Tierrie | awesome! |
| 00:58.12 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: nice! good luck! :) |
| 00:58.16 | Tierrie | so you're going to be a stripper then? |
| 00:58.16 | Arrowmaster | saying they couldnt contact me....... |
| 00:58.26 | Arrowmaster | or had trouble contacting me..... |
| 00:58.30 | Dagmar | Yeah Iw as about to ask was this the application for the job at the sex farm? |
| 00:58.30 | bleeter | kd3: i gave in soz |
| 00:58.34 | Arrowmaster | just becasue i didnt respond about the first email |
| 00:58.51 | Arrowmaster | wonder how bad that looks that i dont check my email very often |
| 00:59.06 | Tierrie | seriously just say you had an emergency and had to be out of town |
| 00:59.12 | Tierrie | i mean, that's if you want the job |
| 00:59.34 | Arrowmaster | didnt find out about their message until it was too late today so ill call tomorrow |
| 00:59.42 | Tierrie | otherwise if you don't tell them to *bleep*bleep* honey baked *bleep*bleep* scissors *bleep*bleep* |
| 01:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't realize that email was a preferred form of communication these days. |
| 01:01.00 | Cloudwolf | i never check my email |
| 01:01.10 | Arrowmaster | but getting an email on the 27th and then both an email and a phone call on the 29th after i didnt call them gives me the impression they liked my resume |
| 01:01.30 | Cloudwolf | or no one else applied? |
| 01:02.01 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: it could just be that you're the biggest fail and they want to point and laugh |
| 01:02.18 | Arrowmaster | and i was just applying for an entry level network technician job and they say they will provide training (im perty sure ive got more training then they even need or provide) |
| 01:02.22 | bleeter | just, you know, trying to prepare you for possibilities that aren't the preferred one |
| 01:02.53 | Aznamir | all right, i just started the swine flu epidemic in the trade chat on my server |
| 01:03.08 | Cloudwolf | well arrowmaster if they don't have to spend time energy and resources into training some one that is always a plus for them. |
| 01:03.28 | Cloudwolf | azamir how did you do that? |
| 01:04.07 | Arrowmaster | heres hoping they give me the network engineer job instead that i didnt apply for because i dont think i have enough on the job experience |
| 01:05.05 | Aznamir | Cloudwolf: i just linked the spell |
| 01:05.19 | Lopeppeppy | Goodnight, happy peoples, have fun storming the castle. |
| 01:05.44 | Ackis | ping jnwhiteh |
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| 01:07.27 | Wobin | .... |
| 01:07.40 | Wobin | Did he just claim that 'cause Routes uses the TSP it has value outside the game'? |
| 01:08.15 | Wobin | :O |
| 01:11.53 | Shefki | Wobin: Who? |
| 01:12.07 | Wobin | General Forum fool |
| 01:12.13 | Shefki | Link. |
| 01:13.09 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473975449&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 01:14.24 | Tierrie | dude Crepe's response is epic funny |
| 01:16.25 | Cairenn | which one? he's had a few in that thread |
| 01:17.06 | Arrowmaster | you know what, i have this urge to get somebody to make a LibSharedMedia-3.0 for WAR so i can then make SharedMedia run in both WoW and WAR using the same download |
| 01:17.49 | Arrowmaster | or do people not think that SharedMedia counts as a 'real addon' |
| 01:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | how is it not? |
| 01:18.19 | NightHawkTheSane | it has a toc and loads lua files into the game, yes? |
| 01:19.38 | bleeter | Wobin: i think it was a claim that parts of Routes could be forced to work out-of-game to generate stuff that'd be useful ingame.. though hard to really say what the attempted point was in amongst the rest of the crap |
| 01:19.42 | Tierrie | Cairenn: "Let's not play the home version of I Want to be a Lawyer on the forums. " |
| 01:19.48 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
| 01:20.21 | Tierrie | i've been out in the real life that has far less snappy comebacks of this caliber |
| 01:20.21 | Dagmar | So you think maybe that twit's podcast allows callers? |
| 01:20.27 | End | fuck, a fragment dropped...and we haven't really done much thinking on who gets the first one |
| 01:20.36 | End | er, first mace, of course |
| 01:21.07 | bleeter | End: if unsure who to give it to, give it to the guy who's likely to gquit soon. that way, you won't get super annoyed when the person you give it to gquits ;) |
| 01:21.09 | Dagmar | I think it woudl be particularly entertaining to take his little BS argument onto his podcast, not to raise their ratings, but to make him look like an ass |
| 01:24.37 | bleeter | wonder how long my anonymous comment will last on his latest blog post |
| 01:24.43 | bleeter | http://mrgrimme.blogspot.com/2009/04/wowmatric-rules-curse-and-wowinterface.html |
| 01:25.26 | End | I find the irony delicious |
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| 01:29.38 | bleeter | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8025211.stm |
| 01:30.03 | Dashkal | awww, they turned off the forums |
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| 01:32.12 | Dagmar | bleeter: I didn't bother posting anonymously. |
| 01:32.46 | Dagmar | I frankly hope it makes the guy furious |
| 01:33.15 | Dagmar | Especially considering that my half-assed attempt at a WoW blog is apparently fifty thousand times more useful than his. Heh |
| 01:34.54 | bleeter | Dagmar: I only posted anonymously to see if the blog was stupid enough to auto-accept anonymous comments |
| 01:36.08 | Dagmar | It's a blogspot, so yeah |
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| 01:38.19 | bleeter | Dagmar: oh i thought you could turn anonymous crap off on that |
| 01:38.26 | Dagmar | You can. |
| 01:38.34 | Dagmar | Very few people actually bother tho |
| 01:39.13 | Dagmar | ...and as harsh as what I posted was, it ranks as relatively *nice* for me when I'm not happy with someone's behaviour. |
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| 01:46.56 | Cloudwolf | http://xkcd.com/175/ |
| 01:46.57 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 01:59.35 | kd3 | whee at trying to distract the general thread |
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| 02:11.35 | End | <3 sugar cookies |
| 02:16.03 | Cloudwolf | lol waht the hell? |
| 02:16.10 | Cloudwolf | Question |
| 02:16.11 | Cloudwolf | What do I do with the lipstick cap |
| 02:16.13 | Cloudwolf | Answer |
| 02:16.14 | Cloudwolf | Apply steady pressure over the hickey and twist. It will hurt, but it will help. Have a ChaCha Day! |
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| 02:24.22 | Funkeh` | can someone please take this down |
| 02:24.23 | Funkeh` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13279-EasyMinimap.html |
| 02:24.41 | Funkeh` | it's near enough a complete rip of my addon basicminimap |
| 02:24.55 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, Dolby, Shirik, ^^ |
| 02:24.57 | kd3 | Cairenn, Dolby jnwhiteh Shirik ^ |
| 02:25.01 | Thunder_Child | hah |
| 02:25.03 | Thunder_Child | beat you |
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| 02:25.19 | Thunder_Child | with a stick |
| 02:25.19 | Cairenn | Funkeh`: you getting in touch with the person that put it up? |
| 02:25.40 | Funkeh` | no, it's late an dall I wanted to do was go to bed before I was informed of it :( |
| 02:26.05 | Funkeh` | I guess ill write up a pm |
| 02:26.07 | Shirik | It's been suspended until I can look at it in detail Funkeh` |
| 02:26.15 | Funkeh` | ok |
| 02:26.17 | Shirik | so it's unaccessible now |
| 02:26.22 | Cairenn | Shirik: I'm disabling it |
| 02:26.22 | Shirik | inaccessible* |
| 02:26.30 | Shirik | I already did |
| 02:26.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:26.34 | Cairenn | so please put it back :p |
| 02:26.36 | Shirik | your admin disable |
| 02:27.17 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 02:27.17 | Funkeh` | oh neat |
| 02:27.17 | Funkeh` | fancy |
| 02:27.17 | Shirik | done Cairenn |
| 02:27.17 | Cairenn | done |
| 02:27.24 | Cairenn | click on it now Funkeh` |
| 02:27.43 | Funkeh` | yeah that's pretty cool |
| 02:27.49 | Funkeh` | but I don't remember the authors name to pm |
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| 02:28.19 | Cairenn | I can get that for you tomorrow when you are awake |
| 02:28.21 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/101446050 |
| 02:28.21 | Adys | rofl |
| 02:28.24 | Cairenn | go sleep :) |
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| 02:28.49 | Osstia | Howdy. Does anyone know a way from a /script command to close a blizzard raid frame? |
| 02:28.55 | Cairenn | afk a few |
| 02:29.47 | Cloudwolf | heh blizzard raid frame? |
| 02:29.59 | Cloudwolf | like the one that shows party members? |
| 02:31.40 | NeoTron | wow this was a rather convincing fake wow account phishing mail |
| 02:33.30 | Adys | NeoTron: I doubt it |
| 02:33.39 | Cloudwolf | lol ? |
| 02:33.47 | Shaone | Yea, NeoTron, I got a few of em today |
| 02:33.49 | Adys | you wouldn't notice it's a fishing email if it was convincing |
| 02:33.51 | Cloudwolf | what did it say? |
| 02:33.53 | Adys | .. phishing |
| 02:34.31 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Adys |
| 02:34.43 | Ackis | is 2500 dps as shadow "good"? |
| 02:34.51 | Cloudwolf | i have no idea |
| 02:34.51 | Arrowmaster | some of us actually check smtp headers on emails asking for unexpected things |
| 02:34.52 | Adys | yeah |
| 02:34.54 | Cloudwolf | i don't even know waht my dps is |
| 02:34.55 | Adys | at level 70 |
| 02:34.58 | Arrowmaster | so yes we would notice even if it was perfect |
| 02:35.20 | Adys | Arrowmaster: a good phishing email has been sent from a hacked blizzard computer \o/ |
| 02:35.32 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:35.40 | kd3 | !!!! |
| 02:35.44 | Cloudwolf | lul blizzard fail? |
| 02:36.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:36.27 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:37.42 | Cloudwolf | hmm is there an easy way to auto identify myself on login? |
| 02:37.49 | Iriel | Here? |
| 02:37.57 | Cloudwolf | yes |
| 02:38.12 | Adys | Cloudwolf: login with your nick password as server pw |
| 02:38.13 | Iriel | Ask your client to do it for you? Colloquy works just fine for me |
| 02:38.15 | Torhal | Cairenn, Shirik: Just looked at the code side-by-side. It's BasicMinimap with additions. |
| 02:38.40 | Adys | otherwise, just /ns identify Adys hunter2 on login |
| 02:38.43 | *** join/#wowuidev BWMerlin (n=chatzill@58.174.148.250) |
| 02:38.52 | NeoTron | Adys: I believed it for a second and yes I would notice even convincing phishing emails because I'm not joe user |
| 02:39.08 | NeoTron | Adys: I actually look at links before clicking, look at mail headers and such |
| 02:39.20 | Adys | why? |
| 02:39.32 | Antiarc | NeoTron: Can you pastie the email or something? |
| 02:39.37 | Antiarc | I have a guildmate interested |
| 02:39.37 | NeoTron | because I want to validate the autenticity |
| 02:39.43 | Adys | why? |
| 02:40.17 | Adys | phishing 101, blizz doesn't ask for acc/pw |
| 02:40.45 | Adys | phishing 102, auth happens on *.blizzard.com, *.battle.net or *.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 02:40.58 | Adys | there you go, SMTP headers are useless |
| 02:42.08 | NeoTron | pastey is annoying for emails with urls |
| 02:42.22 | Antiarc | pastie.org |
| 02:42.26 | NeoTron | but basically it had like 8 or so links in it. 7 went to the page they claimed to at blizzard.com. one didn't |
| 02:42.36 | Arrowmaster | then you dont know the secret to pastey |
| 02:43.28 | Adys | NeoTron: hence what I said |
| 02:43.52 | NeoTron | Adys: and yes I figured out that it was fake from that one link. But joe user doesn't notice what the url he's mousing over actuall points to, as evidented to the number of times people fall for it |
| 02:44.35 | Adys | dont even review the links, click and see where you end up. if it asks you to auth and you're not on one of the sites i mentioned, its phishing |
| 02:44.43 | Adys | why are people so scared of clicking? |
| 02:45.01 | Adys | for all you care it could be a 301 vulnerability on a blizz site |
| 02:45.46 | NeoTron | Adys: I'd rather not click to a site that's obviously not what it says it is |
| 02:45.57 | NeoTron | if the site was in fact a blizzard URL, that's when you look at email headers |
| 02:46.05 | Adys | ... why |
| 02:46.10 | Adys | click it |
| 02:46.10 | Arrowmaster | xss |
| 02:46.17 | Arrowmaster | clicking is dangerous |
| 02:46.32 | Adys | get a decent browser, OS, etc etc |
| 02:46.56 | NeoTron | check headers first, it's safe and it's faster |
| 02:47.21 | Arrowmaster | i do have a decent browser |
| 02:47.33 | Adys | Look at the most effective method that would prevent the absolute worst case |
| 02:47.42 | Adys | dont prevent methods one by one |
| 02:48.01 | Arrowmaster | dont blindly click links is a great method that offers the best protection |
| 02:48.24 | Adys | here's one thing |
| 02:49.02 | Adys | Ive seen blizz employees post keyloggers on the official forums; one day I'm sure a phishing email will be sent from blizzard addresses |
| 02:49.25 | Arrowmaster | although for me its easy to check links in emails before clicking them |
| 02:49.29 | Adys | Look at a method preventing that use case, this prevents every case |
| 02:49.30 | Arrowmaster | they are the links |
| 02:49.40 | Adys | 301 redirect vuln |
| 02:49.46 | Arrowmaster | anybody that has html email display enabled is a fucking retard |
| 02:49.47 | Adys | seen this before, same thing |
| 02:50.30 | NeoTron | Adys: just because there are ways to fool you with redirect links or whatever, doesn't mean you shouldn't start elimiating things with the easiest method first |
| 02:50.59 | NeoTron | i'm pretty sure my computer wouldn't get infected if I stepped on a bad site (firefox, vista, virus and spyware software installed) but I'd rather not take the risk |
| 02:51.17 | NeoTron | even so most of the time if I get emails like this I don't use any links at all - I manually go to the site in question |
| 02:52.00 | Adys | When you cross the road, do you look both ways, or do you call road safety services to verify there's no car coming up for you? |
| 02:52.35 | kd3 | I'd think the brits would call road safety services |
| 02:52.51 | Adys | I think most brits would be hit by a road safety service car |
| 02:53.00 | Adys | hey kd3 |
| 02:53.04 | Adys | our "brits would" were aligned |
| 02:53.20 | kd3 | heh |
| 02:55.03 | Iriel | dont make me kill both of you |
| 02:55.16 | Adys | don't kill us with a Road Safety Services car |
| 02:55.49 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, please do |
| 02:56.20 | Cloudwolf | roflmfao |
| 02:56.22 | Cloudwolf | http://xkcd.com/136/ |
| 02:56.28 | Cloudwolf | horrible |
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| 03:00.56 | Cairenn | Torhal: we know how to compare code, but thanks for the suggestion :p |
| 03:01.36 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:01.41 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
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| 03:02.32 | Cloudwolf | plays russian roullete |
| 03:02.37 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 03:02.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:02.42 | Cairenn | Shirik: ? |
| 03:02.44 | Cloudwolf | ~roulette |
| 03:02.44 | purl | ACTION watches cloudwolf pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:02.49 | Shirik | How am I supposed to download it >< |
| 03:02.56 | Cairenn | you aren't |
| 03:03.00 | Cairenn | :p |
| 03:03.02 | Shirik | then how to investigate! |
| 03:03.16 | Cloudwolf | jebus will investigate it |
| 03:03.18 | Cloudwolf | ~seen jesus |
| 03:03.20 | purl | jesus <n=chatzill@189.192.244.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #gnu-kbsd, 294d 5h 8m 39s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 03:03.32 | Cairenn | well, first we wait for Funkeh` to talk to the other person and see if they can come to some sort of agreement first |
| 03:03.44 | Cairenn | then if Funkeh` is still upset, we compare 'em |
| 03:03.53 | Nechckn_AFK | Such as smacking them down! |
| 03:04.41 | Cloudwolf | im not entirley sure why funkeh is so concerned i would take it as a compliment htat his code is good enough to be emulated(kind of) and its not like its a commercial product that hes losing money on by this person having almost identicle addon |
| 03:05.01 | Cairenn | Cloudwolf: oh you just so don't want to go there in this channel |
| 03:05.25 | Cloudwolf | I'm sure i would get kicked or banned if i continued this or i would be proven as a complete moron |
| 03:05.28 | Antiarc | Are you serious or trolling? |
| 03:05.39 | Cairenn | I think he is uninformed |
| 03:06.13 | Cloudwolf | I have seen so many addons that do pretty much the same thing. the only thing that i could see bugging me is the person not asking permission... |
| 03:06.15 | Cairenn | and I don't want to see him get flamed to hell and back because of ignorance on his part |
| 03:06.52 | Cloudwolf | hey as long as the flaming doesn't last for every time i get on i don't care. |
| 03:07.00 | Cairenn | Cloudwolf: that would be one of the big ones, right there (not asking) |
| 03:07.00 | Nechckn_AFK | yells "Flame, On!" |
| 03:07.32 | Nechckn_AFK | who deserves our scorn, who, who?!?!? |
| 03:07.39 | Cloudwolf | i guess i do |
| 03:07.43 | Nechckn_AFK | I have been saving some up for just such an occassion! |
| 03:08.21 | Cloudwolf | But Cairenn i probebly just don't fully grasp the situation because i don't code beyond hobby and not to a level that it would matter if some one copied it |
| 03:08.24 | Torhal | Cairenn: Bah :P Was just trying to save you the effort, not deem you as incompetant :P |
| 03:08.35 | Cairenn | Torhal: ;) |
| 03:08.42 | Cloudwolf | ~roulette |
| 03:08.43 | purl | ACTION watches cloudwolf pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:09.05 | Cairenn | Cloudwolf: that's okay, just you do need to be careful when talking about author copyright, around here, that's all |
| 03:09.11 | Cairenn | I was just warning you, as much as anything |
| 03:09.21 | Shirik | bops Nechckn_AFK |
| 03:09.34 | Cairenn | if you really want to know, there are people that will happily explain for you |
| 03:09.38 | Cloudwolf | ok i wasn't aware of a copyright on funkeh's code |
| 03:09.49 | Shirik | ok, about 99% of addons are copyright |
| 03:09.50 | kd3 | the instant it's in tangible form it's copyrighted |
| 03:10.00 | Shirik | kd3: Until disclaimed :) |
| 03:10.03 | Shirik | er, waived |
| 03:10.04 | Nechckn_AFK | "bops" hmph! |
| 03:10.05 | kd3 | ya |
| 03:10.08 | Cairenn | Cloudwolf: all code is copyrighted, unless the author specifically and explicitly releases it into the public domain |
| 03:10.30 | Cairenn | so no license does NOT equal open source, it means ALL Rights Reserved |
| 03:10.41 | Shirik | coughs |
| 03:10.49 | Shirik | open source does not mean no copyright, either |
| 03:11.03 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:11.04 | Cairenn | Shirik: I know that, look at what I said right above it |
| 03:11.06 | kd3 | looks for more beer |
| 03:11.09 | Torhal | Shirik: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/easyminimap/download/350044.aspx |
| 03:11.21 | Cairenn | but so many people think open source means they can do whatever the hell they want with it |
| 03:11.24 | Torhal | Just for the sake of curiosity :) |
| 03:11.29 | Cairenn | which is also wrong |
| 03:11.59 | Shirik | people also seem to think "visible source" means "open source" |
| 03:12.01 | Shirik | which is also wrong |
| 03:12.11 | kd3 | ho... the RC for f11's out |
| 03:12.12 | ScytheBlade1 | HA |
| 03:12.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473975449&sid=1&pageNo=6#108 |
| 03:12.22 | kd3 | wonder if anaconda won't choke as soon as it sees my fakeraid |
| 03:12.24 | Cairenn | Torhal: the reason we don't immediately look at the code when something like this comes up is because we give the authors a chance to discuss first ... shirik, yup .... since maybe they'll come to an agreement and we won't need to take any further action |
| 03:13.14 | Shirik | kd3: f11? |
| 03:13.15 | Shirik | Fedora? |
| 03:13.19 | kd3 | yar |
| 03:13.25 | kd3 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule |
| 03:13.26 | Shirik | is it still full of fail? |
| 03:13.41 | kd3 | we'll see in a bit |
| 03:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: irony, coming from someone who uses gentoo! |
| 03:13.46 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh, or anyone else, is there some method to get the coordinates of the tomtom waypoint that the arrow is currently on? |
| 03:14.00 | Shirik | points at Shiibot and how well he works |
| 03:14.01 | Torhal | Cairenn: I understand. I just wanted to look at it for curiosity's sake, since Funkeh` obviously hadn't investigated yet. |
| 03:14.07 | Cairenn | nod |
| 03:14.09 | Torhal | Figured Shirik was curious as well |
| 03:14.24 | Cairenn | except he has looked at it, he's the one that says it's a violation :p |
| 03:14.33 | Cairenn | he hasn't had a chance to talk to the other person yet |
| 03:15.06 | Torhal | Ah, I thought someone else informed him that it was a ripoff and that he hadn't actually seen yet |
| 03:15.27 | Torhal | kk, back to House. |
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| 03:18.48 | Shirik | kk, back to code |
| 03:18.59 | Shirik | I would probably code faster if Cairenn would whip me |
| 03:19.15 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 03:19.16 | Cairenn | look me up at BlizzCon ;) |
| 03:19.34 | Dashkal | I was about to say I didn't know weather to be scared or aroused. Leaning towards the latter now. |
| 03:19.35 | Cloudwolf | shirik what kind of whips? bull whip or them sexy black leather whips along with a ball gag in your mouth? shiny tight leather? |
| 03:19.53 | Shirik | why do you know this much about whips, Cloudwolf |
| 03:20.07 | Cloudwolf | <.< *goes to a corner and shuts up* |
| 03:20.22 | Cairenn | goes rummaging around in her closet looking for her old carriage whip |
| 03:20.32 | Dashkal | O.O |
| 03:20.33 | Torhal | Cloudwolf: Stop distracting him. He actually has time to code Minion :P |
| 03:20.33 | Shirik | ! |
| 03:20.42 | Shirik | hey, I did a lot today |
| 03:20.45 | Shirik | I even posted a new API |
| 03:21.09 | Shadowed | that's like, 2 lines of code you wasted talking in IRC, back to work! |
| 03:21.09 | Cloudwolf | shirik what languages are you versed in? (not spoken of course) |
| 03:22.31 | Shirik | Let's see |
| 03:22.55 | Torhal | He's pretty much mastered "Obsequiousness to Cairenne" |
| 03:22.58 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:23.07 | Shirik | Java, C++, C, Lua, PHP, LabVIEW, MATLAB, Simulink, BASIC, IA32, HCS12, PIC |
| 03:23.11 | Shirik | Starting to learn Ada |
| 03:23.19 | Dashkal | Ada.... *shudder* |
| 03:23.22 | Dashkal | ConstraintError! |
| 03:23.26 | Shirik | I have to learn Ada |
| 03:23.33 | Cloudwolf | Shirik i hope you have to look up refrences and dont just have all that crap internalized lol |
| 03:23.42 | Dagmar | Shirik: What judge did you piss off? |
| 03:23.48 | Shirik | judge? |
| 03:23.49 | Dashkal | Shirik: then be sure you understand ConstraintError :p |
| 03:24.01 | Dagmar | Yeah, isn't that generally reserved for criminal sentencing? |
| 03:24.05 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:24.10 | Shirik | the FAA likes Ada |
| 03:24.15 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 03:24.25 | Shirik | because it's extremely restrictive |
| 03:24.28 | Dashkal | Meh, much as I like to hate on Ada, for what it does, it does it VERY well (makes you write very clean code) |
| 03:24.44 | kd3 | which for what the FAA's using it for... good idea |
| 03:25.13 | Cloudwolf | ~ada |
| 03:25.13 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ada is a lame programming language named after Charles Babbage's wife. Although object oriented it shows no signs of intelligent life and it's not even case sensitive. gnat is capable of compiling ada sources however it's about 25megs and a waste of time downloading. On freenode, ada is a french bsd-boy in love with his thinkpad. |
| 03:25.34 | Dashkal | :p |
| 03:25.39 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 03:25.41 | Dashkal | ~factinfo ada |
| 03:25.41 | purl | ada -- created by ada <ada@calvin-noc.routers.ipv6.darksnow.org> at Sun Sep 29 15:46:05 2002 (2404 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Cloudwolf, 28s ago. |
| 03:26.25 | Shirik | Iriel: Something strange happened today with checkstyle |
| 03:26.41 | Iriel | Oh? |
| 03:26.46 | Shirik | trying to find it |
| 03:28.00 | Shirik | C:\Users\delbu9c1\Documents\Code\mmoimgr\wowi\src\com\mmoui\wow\manager\certs\ClientCertificate.java:36: warning: Class ClientCertificate should be declared as final. |
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| 03:28.13 | Shirik | Any idea why it would say that? let me paste code |
| 03:28.17 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 03:28.43 | Iriel | everything static? |
| 03:29.10 | Cloudwolf | no way omg peggle? |
| 03:29.13 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/113314-xcvt |
| 03:29.15 | Cloudwolf | peggle put one in wow... |
| 03:29.19 | Shirik | (without the final, of course) |
| 03:29.23 | Iriel | Cloudwolf: welcome to last week |
| 03:29.39 | Iriel | Shirik: Yeah, it's got a private ctor and everything is static |
| 03:29.48 | Iriel | so it's not intended for extension |
| 03:29.50 | Shirik | well everything was static in AbstractCertificate too |
| 03:29.54 | Shirik | oh the private constructor |
| 03:29.58 | Cloudwolf | iriel well i kept checking the pick of the week and it didn't look as if it was updated lol |
| 03:30.01 | Dashkal | Was about to say that :p |
| 03:30.24 | Dashkal | Funny, the jdt compilier doesn't complain about that, I should run through javac and see what it says |
| 03:30.32 | Shirik | no this is checkstyle, Dashkal |
| 03:30.39 | Dashkal | ahhh |
| 03:30.45 | Dashkal | then yes, the private constructor would be what's causing it |
| 03:30.49 | Shirik | I modified my ant script to run checkstyle on all my code after compilation |
| 03:31.07 | Dashkal | I dislike checkstyle. There's a number of things it complains about that I outright disaggree wtih |
| 03:31.18 | Shirik | then modify its configuration :) |
| 03:31.33 | Dashkal | Eh, that would take more work than it's worth to me |
| 03:31.53 | Dashkal | My code passes company code review, what else does it need? |
| 03:32.05 | Shirik | your company has a code review |
| 03:32.11 | Dashkal | Not a formal one |
| 03:32.13 | Shirik | that makes me feel a little better about the industry |
| 03:32.17 | Dashkal | sadly |
| 03:32.19 | Shirik | ok, no longer feeling good |
| 03:32.21 | Dashkal | :p |
| 03:32.27 | Dashkal | Small shop, the overhead would be too much |
| 03:32.36 | Iriel | Thats where checkstyle is useful |
| 03:32.44 | Iriel | One person creates a config that represents the shop's standards |
| 03:32.49 | Iriel | nice objective "quick check" |
| 03:33.02 | Dashkal | yeah, I should probably devote a day to setting that thing up... |
| 03:34.05 | Dashkal | garrysmod.com needs a search button on the front page... Running through 20 pates to find that article I rememeber from "a couple weeks ago" is annoying |
| 03:34.20 | Cloudwolf | uh |
| 03:34.24 | Cloudwolf | they have a search bar in the forums |
| 03:34.40 | Cloudwolf | i think they do any way |
| 03:34.47 | Dashkal | Not forums, I mean the news page |
| 03:34.51 | Dashkal | I try to stay off of facepunch |
| 03:34.56 | Cloudwolf | oh lol |
| 03:35.04 | Dashkal | that place defines "forum nazi". I avoid on principal |
| 03:35.15 | Dashkal | You know, since that last line would have got me banned |
| 03:36.38 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 03:36.59 | Cloudwolf | im only there for the lua section as i do a little coding for that too |
| 03:37.23 | Dashkal | I've been tempted to learn that API, but I just don't have any ideas that make it worth the effort |
| 03:38.13 | Cloudwolf | why i like the coding for gmod more than wow is you have more freedom |
| 03:42.20 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 03:42.35 | Cloudwolf | the addon section shows 4/12 as tabard o mattic for the last pick of the week |
| 03:43.27 | Shirik | Iriel: Let me run something by you, because I've been going over it for a while now (I know, preemptive optimization is bad and all that) |
| 03:44.06 | Shirik | I want to figure out what packages are currently involved in a call, that is, what packages I've gone through to get where I am according to the stack trace |
| 03:44.11 | Dashkal | And that's why I wanted a search rather than to search the way I did. "a couple weeks ago" was actually "5 months ago" |
| 03:44.26 | Shirik | I can use Thread.currentThread().getStackTrace() and then go over each element and run getClass() on it, but that gives me a string |
| 03:44.47 | Shirik | Turning that string into a package is proving a bit more challenging than I expected, because classes could have inner classes, etc. |
| 03:44.57 | Shirik | Any suggestions? |
| 03:45.16 | Dashkal | Shirik: java.lang.class.getPackage() |
| 03:45.23 | Shirik | I'm thinking about running it through java.lang.reflect.Package.getPackage() |
| 03:45.28 | Dashkal | java.lang.Class.getPackage() sorry |
| 03:45.42 | Shirik | Dashkal: There was a reason I couldn't do that |
| 03:45.46 | Shirik | oh right |
| 03:45.58 | Iriel | I'm not sure there IS a way to get the class, you migth not have visibility to it from your current context |
| 03:45.59 | Shirik | Here's the problem with it -- I don't entirely know if it's a problem, but it's suspect; it's something I plan to test |
| 03:46.18 | Dashkal | You do need reflection permission to do that sort of thing, but you need it period if you want more than the strings in the stacktrace |
| 03:46.19 | Shirik | OSGi doesn't allow you to load classes outside of your bundle unless you explicitly declare it in the manifest |
| 03:46.27 | Shirik | I'm worried that this will also apply to Class |
| 03:46.33 | Dashkal | It won't. |
| 03:46.35 | Shirik | that is, Class.forName() |
| 03:46.39 | Dashkal | mmm |
| 03:46.41 | Dashkal | that's different |
| 03:46.43 | Iriel | You'll just get a ton of class not founds |
| 03:46.47 | Shirik | right |
| 03:46.55 | Iriel | Even for those you get a class match for |
| 03:46.59 | Iriel | you dont know if it's the right one |
| 03:47.04 | Iriel | because you dont know which classloader it was for |
| 03:47.08 | Iriel | ESPECIALLY in OSGi |
| 03:47.20 | Iriel | where every single bundle could have an instance of a specific class name, and they could all be different |
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| 03:47.30 | Shirik | had that happen already :( |
| 03:47.35 | Iriel | I have a suspicion the fact you get strings and not Class'es is DELIBERATE |
| 03:47.42 | Iriel | in part due to sandboxing |
| 03:47.58 | Shirik | Let me explain my problem a bit better then |
| 03:48.05 | Shirik | that is, what I'm trying to solve |
| 03:48.10 | Shirik | I'm trying to implement a sandbox |
| 03:48.29 | Shirik | I have this: http://minion.mmoui.com/javadoc/com/mmoui/manager/services/PermissionsManager.html |
| 03:48.38 | Shirik | So you can request certain permissions |
| 03:48.47 | Shirik | for a bundle |
| 03:49.02 | Shirik | I need to know what bundles are involved in a given call so that I can restrict the permissions accordingly |
| 03:49.24 | Dashkal | Shirik: Isn't this a problem for org.osgi.service.condpermission? |
| 03:49.52 | Dashkal | The OSGi permissions code does allow per-bundle permissions. |
| 03:49.55 | Iriel | Hm, I'm not sure that's consistent with the general component model is it? |
| 03:50.08 | Iriel | You're supposed to stop caring at the service API layer |
| 03:50.42 | Dashkal | condpermadmin |
| 03:50.50 | Shirik | True, but I feel that it would be preferable to users that modules be blocked from doing crazy things |
| 03:50.50 | Dashkal | serves me right for speaking package names from memory |
| 03:50.54 | Iriel | It's not got the same level of insane containeritis as J2EE |
| 03:51.15 | Iriel | I think it's reasonable to stop modules from doing crazy things |
| 03:51.17 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: take down http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12558-Fubar_SpeedFuRevived.html |
| 03:51.28 | Dashkal | Shirik: Have a look at the osgi compendium for condpermadmin. I suspect it may be your solution |
| 03:51.32 | Iriel | But stopping module A from doing crazy thing if it's called by module B but not if called by module C... that's a bit crazier |
| 03:51.48 | Shirik | well Iriel, that's actually not something that should ever happen |
| 03:51.51 | Shirik | I just figured it would be a nice solution |
| 03:52.01 | Shirik | I don't really think modules should be able to go through each other |
| 03:52.29 | Shirik | Cairenn: ping |
| 03:52.33 | Dashkal | I say 'suspect' because I haven't read that section yet. Still working on cm and event :S |
| 03:52.33 | Cairenn | Shirik: pong |
| 03:52.37 | Shirik | see Arrowmaster's comment |
| 03:53.01 | durcyn | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50303 |
| 03:53.03 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: take down why? |
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| 03:53.29 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: because its a ripoff of FuBar_SpeedFu |
| 03:53.58 | Iriel | Shirik: I think the 'proper' solution would be to use ServiceFactory instances rather than exposing services directly |
| 03:54.06 | Iriel | then you can create bundle-specific handles as you cross bundle boundaries |
| 03:54.17 | Torhal | Cairenn: Can I has a Trollhammer for Jandalar? |
| 03:54.23 | Cairenn | Torhal: no |
| 03:54.33 | Cairenn | Torhal: I'm ignoring him, he's just trying to troll |
| 03:54.41 | Torhal | S'why I said Trollhammer. |
| 03:54.46 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:54.48 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:55.09 | Cairenn | I got me some more nifty smilies last night, waiting for some good posts to use them on |
| 03:55.18 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: i took over FuBar_SpeedFu, that project is a 100% direct copy of a previous alpha of FuBar_SpeedFu that i later reverted |
| 03:55.23 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: who is maintain .... thanks |
| 03:55.35 | Cairenn | was just about to ask that :) |
| 03:55.52 | Shirik | hm, I don't think I can change that much at this point Iriel |
| 03:56.04 | Shirik | I guess I'll have to rethink how I accomplish this |
| 03:56.24 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: do you want it deleted outright, or do you want me to just disable it until you have a chance to talk to the person that uploaded it and see if you can come to an agreement? |
| 03:56.33 | Arrowmaster | deleted outright |
| 03:56.47 | Cairenn | gone |
| 03:57.43 | Shirik | wait Iriel |
| 03:57.50 | Shirik | I'm a bit confused here, so you just |
| 03:58.14 | Shirik | instead of like context.registerService(UpdateService.class.getName(), service, props); |
| 03:58.22 | Shirik | instead of the service, you would pass a ServiceFactory? |
| 03:58.39 | Iriel | That's my understanding |
| 03:58.41 | Shirik | I'm still a bit of a noob with osgi so you have to forgive me |
| 03:58.47 | Iriel | http://www.knopflerfish.org/osgi_service_tutorial.html |
| 03:58.50 | Shirik | what benefit would that give me? |
| 03:59.00 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.01 | Iriel | THAT |
| 03:59.08 | Iriel | You get the bundle that's asking for the service |
| 03:59.36 | Shirik | ah but sadly that's backwards :( |
| 03:59.49 | Shirik | It's the core that needs to know who's providing the service, not the service needing to know the core |
| 04:01.09 | Shirik | I mean, at the time it requests the service, it will know, that's not a problem |
| 04:01.16 | Shirik | the problem is, let's say the bundle starts a new thread |
| 04:01.27 | Iriel | Ah,s o you haven't isolated all your "dodgy" calls inside a "secure bundle"? |
| 04:01.36 | Shirik | my SecurityManager is still responsible for monitoring that new thread, and I don't really have a way of knowing who it belongs to |
| 04:01.39 | Iriel | You want to make sure when the core dispatches a call it sets up the security context appropriately? |
| 04:02.11 | Shirik | May not even dispatch a call, but yes |
| 04:02.14 | Iriel | Dont you know who is providing your services? That's queryable isn't it? |
| 04:02.31 | Iriel | And can't you also determine what other bundles it's using? |
| 04:02.40 | Shirik | Well take the example I gave |
| 04:03.02 | Shirik | If I start some other bundle, it might spawn a new thread that I don't know of directly and is not in any direct way related to a service it provides |
| 04:03.28 | Dashkal | You can query the provider of a service via the ServiceReference instance |
| 04:03.39 | Shirik | So I have no way, when that thread ends up calling the SecurityManager, of determining what bundle that thread belongs to |
| 04:04.10 | Shirik | For example, take the simple bundle that I might start up |
| 04:04.22 | Shirik | public void start() { System.exec("rm -rf /"); } |
| 04:04.51 | Shirik | Because I never asked for the service, I only started the bundle, I don't really have a way of knowing what bundle made that call |
| 04:04.53 | Iriel | Well, you could start by NEVER letting the non-core threads get access to those tools |
| 04:05.02 | Shirik | Well that's what the SecurityManager is for :) |
| 04:05.09 | Iriel | REstrict access to a trusted thread accessed through a single API |
| 04:05.15 | Iriel | which then gets back to the factory |
| 04:05.22 | Iriel | each bundle gets its own handle to that trusted service |
| 04:06.59 | Shirik | I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. Are you implying, for example, don't allow access to the java.io.File class, and instead proxy access to it myself? |
| 04:07.46 | Shirik | I mean, there is an alternative solution. Instead of restricting access on a per-module basis, I just say if one module is allowed to do it then all are |
| 04:07.52 | Shirik | which isn't so bad, it's just not what I wanted to do |
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| 04:11.56 | Iriel | Shirik: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=25&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffelix.apache.org%2Fsite%2Fpresentations.data%2FBuilding%2520Secure%2520OSGi%2520Applications.pdf&ei=RiT5SeiME528tgPxnaTgAQ&usg=AFQjCNF_JO211yWAoXBDpyJ4XbUGA3CJWA |
| 04:12.21 | Shirik | The following plug-in has crashed: Adobe Acrobat |
| 04:12.22 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:12.22 | Iriel | I think Dashkal was going in the right direction for the "right way" to do this |
| 04:12.32 | Shirik | that's a really fun symbol |
| 04:12.33 | Iriel | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=html&cd=25&url=http%3A%2F%2F209.85.173.132%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3A_RJFCAigJrUJ%3Afelix.apache.org%2Fsite%2Fpresentations.data%2FBuilding%252520Secure%252520OSGi%252520Applications.pdf%2BOSGi%2BSecurityManager%26cd%3D25%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus&ei=RiT5SeiME528tgPxnaTgAQ&usg=AFQjCNGtkpqxkXE8KqLf1YQdDAmFdMHapw |
| 04:12.35 | Shirik | I love google chrome's symbols |
| 04:13.18 | Dashkal | OSGi has extensive security manager support. You can set permissions by bundle. I just can't give you API since I've not yet read those parts of the compendium |
| 04:13.28 | Dashkal | Actually, that's probably core |
| 04:13.49 | Dashkal | yep, it's core |
| 04:13.52 | Dashkal | sections 9 and 10 |
| 04:13.54 | Shirik | is this right? http://felix.apache.org/site/presentations.data/Building%20Secure%20OSGi%20Applications.pdf |
| 04:14.00 | Shirik | Because my browsers do not like this |
| 04:14.06 | Iriel | Shirik: Yes |
| 04:14.36 | Dashkal | Shirik: If you haven't yet, get ahold of the two spec PDFs from osgi.org |
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| 04:17.26 | Shirik | wget saves the day |
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| 04:29.22 | Cide | wget is great |
| 04:29.32 | Shirik | well Iriel / Dashkal this does look promising |
| 04:29.42 | Shirik | I need to figure out why it seems I don't have it, though |
| 04:29.48 | Shirik | I might have an old version of felix |
| 04:31.55 | Shirik | ah I see they put it in a separate jar |
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| 04:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | <slow> so curse launched premium... this QQ shall be epic |
| 04:47.03 | Torhal | ...even though it was announced upon WAU's demise. |
| 04:48.15 | Nechckn_AFK | But it's all part of the AddOn Author Conspiracy, or AAC, Torhal!! |
| 04:48.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You know if there WAS an actual conspiracy |
| 04:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be amazing |
| 04:49.01 | Nechckn_AFK | coughs |
| 04:49.10 | Nechckn_AFK | I mean, yeah.. there is no conspiracy. |
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| 04:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd use it to piss off users. |
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| 04:52.39 | ScytheBlade1 | s/us/lus/ |
| 04:52.42 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 04:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate you too purl |
| 04:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | *lusers |
| 04:54.44 | Torhal | L["Users"] |
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| 05:08.16 | TecnoBrat | this is so you can all unleash it on your trade channels |
| 05:08.23 | TecnoBrat | as its required |
| 05:08.25 | TecnoBrat | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50303 |
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| 05:16.50 | Adys | ckknight: ping |
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| 05:19.12 | tekkub | Kaelten hates me |
| 05:20.07 | Torhal | tekkub: No, me. |
| 05:20.35 | TecnoBrat | yep, pretty much |
| 05:20.55 | Adys | actually |
| 05:21.17 | Adys | anyone around who participated in the curse client dev/promotion/whatever ? |
| 05:21.51 | Hirsute | Adys: As on the Curse side, or on the user side? |
| 05:21.55 | Adys | curse side |
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| 05:24.34 | Shirik | Dagmar: ping |
| 05:36.03 | Fisker- | it's Shirik |
| 05:36.04 | Fisker- | get him |
| 05:37.25 | Torhal | Fisker-: Mentos FTW. |
| 05:37.44 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 05:38.24 | Fisker- | getting a 24" was worth the trouble |
| 05:39.34 | Fisker- | haha seriously blizzard |
| 05:39.44 | Fisker- | Blizzard buffed the pulled on auriaya |
| 05:39.48 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 05:45.58 | Shirik | what's the limit on spells for arena? |
| 05:46.05 | Shirik | their CD has to be shorter than something |
| 05:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | 15m |
| 05:46.19 | Shirik | sweet |
| 05:50.50 | msou| | you know, I've never found a dungeon always ask a freiend or for a summ |
| 05:51.13 | msou| | is there an addon that can assist me go there? I have just QH =) |
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| 05:52.47 | AbsolutRayne | I need someone really good with MSBT |
| 05:52.54 | AbsolutRayne | Or that just might be able to give me ahand |
| 05:55.29 | Cairenn | points at Mikk |
| 05:56.04 | Cairenn | errr, Mikord |
| 05:56.08 | Cairenn | stupid tab complete |
| 05:56.18 | Cairenn | and Mikord for not being in channel :p |
| 05:56.22 | Cairenn | goes back to sleep |
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| 05:57.52 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, $5 for a mind reading autocomplete |
| 05:57.58 | Cairenn | hehe |
| 05:58.29 | AbsolutRayne | Eh, ill just ask tomorrow |
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| 06:29.26 | Shirik | I love regular expressions |
| 06:29.43 | Hirsute | ^This |
| 06:29.44 | Shirik | they're so easy to write, and then when you go back and look at it after you've written it, you go "what the hell is that" |
| 06:29.49 | Hirsute | Very handy, those. |
| 06:30.00 | Fisker- | i love Shirik |
| 06:30.12 | Shirik | Like, I just wrote something incredibly simple |
| 06:30.15 | Shirik | and it ended up being "^(.+?)\\/[^\\/]$" |
| 06:30.26 | Shirik | which is in fact very simple, but still makes you go "how is that code..." |
| 06:31.36 | Hirsute | That'll match anything followed by \/ followed by ^ or \ or / and the end of the line. |
| 06:31.39 | krka | regular expressions are solutions to problems, and new problems in themselves |
| 06:31.39 | Hirsute | ? |
| 06:32.03 | Shirik | Hirsute: Take note the double backslash is because this is java and I'm escaping a string :) |
| 06:32.15 | Hirsute | Oh, it's java, not perl |
| 06:32.18 | Shirik | if I wanted to escape a backslash in the regular expression it would be \\\\ |
| 06:32.27 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: pong |
| 06:32.30 | krka | i atleast try to split it up in java |
| 06:32.43 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: I think you can get the UID of the current waypoint.. maybe.. not sure |
| 06:33.13 | krka | static final String NOT_BACKSLASH_OR_SLASH = "[^\\/]"; |
| 06:33.52 | Shirik | erm |
| 06:33.58 | Shirik | except that's not forward slash |
| 06:34.07 | Shirik | not "not backslash or forward slash" |
| 06:34.24 | krka | ah i see |
| 06:34.37 | krka | so you agree it should be clarified :P |
| 06:34.42 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:35.00 | krka | wish we had pegs in java instead |
| 06:35.37 | Shirik | yes that would be nice |
| 06:35.39 | Shirik | gogo krka! |
| 06:35.54 | Shirik | port lpeg to java! |
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| 06:36.04 | krka | or simple peg |
| 06:36.06 | krka | *simply |
| 06:36.17 | krka | no pretty operator overloading though |
| 06:36.28 | Shirik | true |
| 06:36.31 | krka | lpeg would be nice to have in kahlua though |
| 06:36.35 | Shirik | which still bugs me |
| 06:36.51 | Shirik | that there are these somehow special classes in Java that get to have operators |
| 06:36.53 | Shirik | but nobody else |
| 06:37.05 | krka | "these"? only strings |
| 06:37.17 | Shirik | and the primitive wrapper classes |
| 06:37.31 | krka | nope |
| 06:37.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:37.43 | krka | primitive types do have operators though |
| 06:38.05 | Shirik | I'm looking at it right now |
| 06:38.12 | Shirik | Integer i = null, j = null; |
| 06:38.12 | Shirik | int n = i + j; |
| 06:38.14 | Shirik | compiles without error |
| 06:38.26 | Shirik | (would error at runtime but that's not the point) |
| 06:39.02 | krka | + is only allowed for primitives there, but java 5+ autoboxes the wrapper classes |
| 06:39.22 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:40.22 | Shirik | I still want operator overloading :( |
| 06:40.35 | Shirik | I really think the only reason they don't have it is because of the abuse it's seen in C++ |
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| 07:05.05 | Cairenn | hey [Ammo]? since you're updating on WoWI anyway, wanna pop up the latest oRA? |
| 07:09.28 | Torhal | Cairenn: Alpha :) |
| 07:10.05 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 07:10.07 | Cairenn | Torhal: mrrh? |
| 07:10.09 | Torhal | Nevermind. Just noticed he updated oRA2 |
| 07:10.09 | Fisker- | doesn't even work yet |
| 07:10.16 | Fisker- | oh |
| 07:10.22 | Torhal | Thought you were saying oRA3 by "latest" :) |
| 07:10.40 | Cairenn | no |
| 07:10.55 | Cairenn | oRA2 is updated for 3.1 on Curse, but not on WoWI yet :) |
| 07:11.01 | Cairenn | that's all :) |
| 07:11.08 | Torhal | Gotcha |
| 07:11.11 | tekkub | YOU BASTARD! |
| 07:11.26 | Cairenn | and, now it is :) |
| 07:11.29 | Torhal | I did NOT steal your bacon. |
| 07:11.32 | Cairenn | huggles [Ammo] |
| 07:11.33 | Torhal | It was Fisker- |
| 07:11.37 | tekkub | no but you did touch it |
| 07:11.40 | tekkub | now it's ruined |
| 07:11.49 | Torhal | I was trying to knock it away from him! |
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| 07:13.29 | Fisker- | lies Cairenn |
| 07:13.31 | Fisker- | fu |
| 07:13.43 | Cairenn | Fisker-: ? |
| 07:14.23 | Fisker- | Just saw "oRA2 (3.1)" |
| 07:14.28 | Fisker- | but didn't see the date |
| 07:14.28 | Fisker- | :E |
| 07:14.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:14.41 | Cairenn | (2009-04-30 03:11:27) Cairenn: and, now it is :) |
| 07:14.48 | Cairenn | :p ;) |
| 07:16.08 | Torhal | Cairenn: I think WoWI just replaced Craigslist. |
| 07:16.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:16.20 | Torhal | :D |
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| 07:17.54 | Fisker- | watch out Torhal |
| 07:17.56 | Fisker- | the Carepolice is here |
| 07:18.04 | Torhal | I"m not a Carebear. |
| 07:18.10 | Carepolice | :( |
| 07:18.33 | tekkub | TAKE THAT WOWMATRIX THREAD TOPIC |
| 07:18.48 | Cairenn | tekkub: put a big NSFW tag on that link, please |
| 07:19.02 | Torhal | Hah |
| 07:19.08 | tekkub | it makes you acknowledge that it's an adult site |
| 07:19.16 | krka | i am intruiged now... |
| 07:19.17 | Cairenn | still |
| 07:19.18 | krka | (sp) |
| 07:19.54 | Torhal | I'm sure some people would freak out if they followed that link while at work and saw a big yellow shiny page with the words "GAY BEARS" on it. |
| 07:20.18 | tekkub | OMG FINALLY! |
| 07:20.37 | Cairenn | nsfP? |
| 07:20.38 | tekkub | you should look at the code on that site, especially the javascript |
| 07:20.47 | tekkub | it's like a fucking throwback to 1990 |
| 07:20.50 | Torhal | Haha |
| 07:20.54 | tekkub | yes, NSFP |
| 07:21.01 | Cairenn | prudes? |
| 07:21.13 | krka | not safe for porn |
| 07:21.17 | tekkub | I'll protect my content by disabling selecting text and right clicking! |
| 07:21.39 | tekkub | no one's browser can go wider than 1024! |
| 07:22.10 | End | lol |
| 07:22.20 | End | Elitist Jerks just wished me happy birthday |
| 07:22.30 | Torhal | Bastards! |
| 07:22.42 | tekkub | tell them I hate them |
| 07:22.48 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 07:22.55 | tekkub | I hate forum software that sends BD grats |
| 07:22.57 | Cairenn | is End's birthday? |
| 07:23.02 | End | yes, it tis |
| 07:23.04 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> The topic for #WoWUIDev is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Upload your 3.1 compatible mods | You're under arrest for being stupid in a no-stupid zone | Happy Birthday, End!! |
| 07:23.04 | tekkub | it's like fucking auto-ding-grats addons |
| 07:23.13 | Cairenn | happy birthday End :) |
| 07:23.20 | End | oh, you don't have to change the /topic for me |
| 07:23.25 | End | thanks, though :) |
| 07:23.26 | Cairenn | oh yes I do |
| 07:23.28 | tekkub | I have a special present for your End |
| 07:23.30 | Torhal | Cairenn: That's like, a telegraph or something. |
| 07:23.38 | Torhal | We wish you well. End. |
| 07:23.42 | End | tekkub: do I want to know? |
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| 07:23.48 | Cairenn | I always put it up when I know it's someone's birthday :) |
| 07:24.02 | tekkub | that's why no one knows my real birthday |
| 07:24.16 | tekkub | that and I could give three fucks about celebrating it |
| 07:24.17 | End | yeah, well, I just let it slip! :o |
| 07:24.27 | End | I blame EJ |
| 07:24.29 | tekkub | though I'm not afraid to guilt my mother out of presents and food |
| 07:24.29 | Torhal | tekkub: Only three? |
| 07:24.38 | End | it's their fault! |
| 07:25.05 | Torhal | You were reminded that you're getting old by a bunch of Elitist Jerks. |
| 07:25.17 | tekkub | nerf old |
| 07:25.55 | Cairenn|afk | night guys :) |
| 07:26.01 | Torhal | G'night |
| 07:26.01 | End | night Cairenn |
| 07:26.20 | Elkano | gnight Cairenn |
| 07:26.26 | tekkub | okey now lets totally fuck up that thread |
| 07:26.53 | Elkano | whichone? |
| 07:27.50 | Torhal | Elkano: WoWMatrix thread on WoWI |
| 07:27.59 | Torhal | It just turned into tekkub getting hit on |
| 07:29.05 | Cairenn|afk | please don't go toooo far off topic and over the line, I really don't want to have to yell at you guys tomorrow :p |
| 07:29.16 | Cairenn|afk | hugs her geeks and heads off for sleep |
| 07:29.16 | tekkub | and I don't think he's even a damn bear |
| 07:29.29 | Torhal | Aren't you doing that now? :) |
| 07:29.31 | tekkub | yea whatever, you won't yell |
| 07:30.00 | tekkub | you'll act like it's all horrible in front of the users, but we all know you enjoy it |
| 07:30.09 | Elkano | LINKZ PLX ;) |
| 07:30.20 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 |
| 07:30.46 | Torhal | Closer to the end-result: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069&page=49 |
| 07:30.51 | Elkano | ah, the wowi/curse vs wowm |
| 07:31.50 | tekkub | I'm actually doing good |
| 07:31.57 | tekkub | I'm scaring away the trolls |
| 07:35.10 | smoke_ | is grid2 useable? |
| 07:35.33 | tekkub | define usable |
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| 07:35.57 | tekkub | also defind "grid2", "is" and "?" |
| 07:36.13 | tekkub | s/nd/ne/ |
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| 07:39.21 | Elkano | tekkub, is that really you? |
| 07:39.36 | tekkub | who knows? |
| 07:40.05 | Elkano | omg, I just came on that pic... well oral ;) |
| 07:40.21 | tekkub | oh you mean bear411? |
| 07:40.28 | tekkub | there is only one tekkub |
| 07:44.23 | Elkano | but well, considering my own, I shouldn't complain about other people's visuals ^^ |
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| 07:45.06 | tekkub | meh? |
| 07:45.21 | tekkub | it was just some shitty photo from xmas like 3 years ago |
| 07:45.24 | tekkub | I avoid cameras |
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| 07:48.19 | Fisker- | du skylder mig 1000kr |
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| 07:48.45 | Torhal | Fisker-: FIcken |
| 07:49.39 | Cide | hi |
| 07:52.01 | Fisker- | hvad så der Torhal |
| 07:52.09 | Fisker- | du skylder mig tuuuuuuuuusiiiiiiiiind kroner |
| 07:52.24 | zenzio | O_o |
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| 08:12.08 | Adys | hey Cide |
| 08:12.22 | Cide | hi |
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| 08:17.40 | NeoTron | Never imagined General could bring out so much fail |
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| 08:21.22 | Maldivia | *yawn* Morning |
| 08:21.50 | Maldivia | NeoTron: General, as in the boss in ulduar? |
| 08:23.02 | NeoTron | yep |
| 08:23.14 | NeoTron | he's rather trivial in 10 man in comparision though |
| 08:23.31 | NeoTron | best for the night was ~20% |
| 08:23.34 | Maldivia | hmm, I think he was pretty easy 25 man (non-hard mode, that is) |
| 08:23.42 | NeoTron | but then ppl died because healers failed to get mana |
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| 08:23.58 | NeoTron | how do you handle vapors? |
| 08:24.50 | Maldivia | after a kite, DK grips it close to boss, dps kills it, healers regen |
| 08:24.50 | Kirov | General is going to be hard for our guild. Healers are far and away our weakest link in my guild. |
| 08:25.34 | Maldivia | on our first kill, it was actually dps fucking up the most, not running away when they had the drain debuff |
| 08:25.39 | Kirov | We haven't gotten Mimiron down yet because we loose 3-4 people in phase one to napalm ... because they heal them once with a quick heal then not at all again. |
| 08:25.49 | Kirov | (if people get a heal) |
| 08:26.14 | Maldivia | people dying in phase 1 of mimiron!?! |
| 08:26.20 | Kirov | yes >.< |
| 08:26.25 | Maldivia | I could understand phase 2 and 4... but 1?? |
| 08:26.42 | Kirov | One healer complained that he couldn't heal fast enough because he had to run. |
| 08:26.52 | Maldivia | who had to run? |
| 08:27.02 | Kirov | I watched him, he didn't move. The guy who died was JUMPING ON TOP OF HIM |
| 08:27.23 | Maldivia | only mele should move in phase 1, to avoid the aoe nuke |
| 08:27.29 | Kirov | yeah |
| 08:27.42 | Kirov | Our biggest problem is our hunters don't like to be alone |
| 08:27.42 | Maldivia | and stupid melee might die when moving, if they run into bombs |
| 08:27.49 | Kirov | They group up together on top of someone else. |
| 08:28.05 | Kirov | ie: 2-3 people with napalm + bad healers = dead people |
| 08:28.09 | Maldivia | still, healing in p1 is a joke compared to phase 2 and 4 |
| 08:28.24 | Kirov | phase 2 we usually have half the raid dead |
| 08:28.26 | Maldivia | (and the zero healing in phase 3) |
| 08:28.56 | Maldivia | after phase 2, I usually have 5-10% mana left after spam heling... but have nothing to do in phase 3, so regen it all there |
| 08:28.58 | Kirov | Do you dps the bombs or cheese them with a warlock? |
| 08:29.08 | Maldivia | p3 bombs? |
| 08:29.12 | Kirov | aye |
| 08:29.32 | Maldivia | DK "off-tank" stands at spawn spot |
| 08:29.50 | Maldivia | snare, explode, next |
| 08:29.57 | tekkub | mmmm warlock cheese |
| 08:30.15 | Maldivia | DK is nice because they can grip if they miss it when it drops |
| 08:31.42 | Maldivia | how many healers are you using for mimiron? |
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| 08:32.58 | NeoTron | we had 13 general wipes today |
| 08:33.41 | Kirov | I think last time we had 7 healers |
| 08:33.57 | NeoTron | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-wZPpp0cxp8V7Q80C/sum/healingDone/?s=8736&e=9451 I find this very telling for mimiron |
| 08:34.01 | Kirov | mainly because 3 of them would be dead by the end of phase 2 |
| 08:34.12 | Maldivia | think we had more wipes from his trash than from the general himself (mainly due to people sucking at positioning and getting knocked back into next pack) |
| 08:34.44 | Maldivia | NeoTron: hehe, yeah |
| 08:36.47 | msou| | man 12 euro for lunch :/ |
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| 08:37.17 | msou| | I asked her just 5 pieces and she said "i'd be happy if you get 10" didn't realize it would be 12 |
| 08:37.22 | msou| | thai food |
| 08:42.50 | Grum | NeoTron: what is telling about it? |
| 08:45.44 | Maldivia | Grum: healing graph, and how phase 2 is a healing contest |
| 08:45.54 | Grum | yeah but its not |
| 08:46.00 | Grum | he only does ~9k dps |
| 08:46.08 | Grum | so you have to push out 9k hps .. not that exciting |
| 08:46.30 | Grum | that graph actually shows the raid is clumped up |
| 08:48.49 | Maldivia | yeah, the aoe isn't the problem is phase 2, it's the bursts from the cannons |
| 08:49.20 | nevcairiel | you need to stay close for effective aoe-heals, though |
| 08:49.24 | nevcairiel | we have 3 camps around him |
| 08:49.29 | nevcairiel | works pretty nice |
| 08:49.42 | Maldivia | that's a good way to have a lot of people hit by the cannons at the same time |
| 08:50.29 | nevcairiel | we tried spreading fully around him, and it just didnt work out healign wise |
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| 08:50.57 | Maldivia | we failed miserable when trying to clump up in several groups |
| 08:51.06 | Maldivia | where as spreading out works well for su |
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| 09:09.45 | Tem | Maldivia, we fail at spreading out |
| 09:09.51 | Tem | clumping on the lucky charms is easy |
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| 09:19.16 | Maldivia | Tem: well, guess it differs from guild to guild :P |
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| 10:11.27 | luc2 | hello |
| 10:11.49 | luc2 | is it possible to retrieve the spell description from the spell id ? |
| 10:12.30 | jnwhiteh | you can load the tooltip, so yes. |
| 10:22.20 | luc2 | with which function ? |
| 10:22.33 | Maldivia | tooltip:SetHyperlink("spell:" .. spellId) |
| 10:23.33 | Maldivia | and then read the tooltip lines for the description |
| 10:27.47 | luc2 | how to read the tooltip lines ? :) |
| 10:28.04 | Maldivia | see http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
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| 10:42.06 | luc2 | thank you |
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| 10:45.37 | laeg | there used to be an addon for cartographer on files.wowace.com which would show the location of ore on the map, it was either cartographer_mining or cartographer_data/bases |
| 10:45.47 | laeg | it doesn't seem to exist on curse, am i missing something? |
| 10:49.30 | Maldivia | I know there's an addon called gatherer that provides that |
| 10:50.31 | jnwhiteh | and GatherMate |
| 10:50.40 | laeg | the maintainer of cartographer_mining, then cartographer_trasures links to gathermate |
| 10:50.54 | laeg | gathermate's comments seem to be saying it's bugged lately |
| 10:51.00 | laeg | can either of you confirm one or the other works? |
| 10:51.33 | nevcairiel | it works fine |
| 10:51.38 | nevcairiel | don't listen to stupid people in comments |
| 10:52.12 | laeg | cool thanks |
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| 10:52.16 | laeg | even with cartographer? |
| 10:52.36 | nevcairiel | gathermate should work with all map mods |
| 10:53.12 | laeg | sweet ty |
| 10:53.32 | jnwhiteh | why do frostbite and fingers of frost always proc at the same time =. |
| 10:58.09 | Maldivia | because they are meant too |
| 10:58.12 | Maldivia | for some illogical reason |
| 10:59.33 | Maldivia | so having both talents really doesn't make much sense |
| 10:59.48 | Maldivia | (unless you pvp, and they dispell the freeze) |
| 10:59.54 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 11:00.00 | jnwhiteh | ah well |
| 11:01.09 | Maldivia | but then again, it would probably be considered overpowered if they procced independantly |
| 11:02.10 | amro | Maldivia: you mean, frostmages will would be able to burst for more than 5 seconds? :P |
| 11:03.42 | Maldivia | amro: frostmages... burst... which planet are you from? |
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| 11:05.13 | jnwhiteh | so is arcane cool these days? |
| 11:05.26 | amro | Maldivia: the one with T7 bonus, spellpower trinket, icy veins and deep freeze |
| 11:05.46 | amro | jnwhiteh: don't bother with it if you're not 80 |
| 11:05.55 | jnwhiteh | eighto |
| 11:05.58 | jnwhiteh | righto |
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| 11:29.04 | Legorol | Any experienced DK tanks: am I the only one that feels that I can't do without SG rune and I can't realistically use spellbreaking etc. in practice? |
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| 12:05.18 | laeg | has anyone ever gotten the error "you cannot auction an item with used charges"? |
| 12:05.23 | laeg | trying to sell cards.. |
| 12:09.06 | Pneumatus | you need to ticket it |
| 12:09.15 | Aelobin | is there an addon that shows a little symbol next to your target's UF denoting which class they are? |
| 12:09.18 | Pneumatus | a GM will replace the bugged cards |
| 12:09.35 | laeg | Pneumatus: you're sure it's no an auctioneer advanced issue? |
| 12:09.47 | Pneumatus | laeg: positive |
| 12:10.01 | Pneumatus | they broke something in 3.0 |
| 12:10.20 | Pneumatus | so some cards pre-dating 3.0 cant be auctioned |
| 12:11.19 | Robsato | UnitFrameTweaks does that I think Aelobin |
| 12:11.38 | Aelobin | Robsato: ty |
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| 12:17.42 | Aelobin | best dk/rune addon you've used to date anyone? :P |
| 12:19.49 | laeg | Pneumatus: thanks |
| 12:22.36 | Pneumatus | i use icehuds rune frame :o |
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| 12:46.06 | luanoob | hi folks, is this the right channel to ask questions about modifying addons for wow? |
| 12:46.18 | Lopeppeppy | Sure, you can ask, we'll answer if we can. |
| 12:46.23 | luanoob | great |
| 12:46.59 | luanoob | i have 3 addons that i think would be really nice to have as one single addon, they are all very short. |
| 12:47.22 | luanoob | to start with i thought I would copy one of the addons and rename it to my pet project name |
| 12:47.36 | luanoob | i chose the addon with a gui |
| 12:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | First question, luanoob. |
| 12:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | Are these addons you wrote, or addons someone else wrote? |
| 12:48.14 | luanoob | addons that someone else wrote, and I intend to use them for myself and not distribute them |
| 12:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | luanoob, do you have permission from these authors to use their code? |
| 12:48.41 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: you can do wtf you want as long as you dont publish it |
| 12:48.52 | Lopeppeppy | *gentle shrug* |
| 12:49.04 | Kaso| | I dont understand your movivation, what do you gain from merging the addons rather than just having all three installed? |
| 12:49.22 | luanoob | that was the impression i had, and if i like what I have made enough i will contact the 3 authors |
| 12:50.45 | luanoob | my motivation is...i would like to learn lua or a bit of it atleast, i would like one place to access the functions from and each addon does part of what i want but not all of it |
| 12:51.16 | Kaso| | oh so you want to merge them in terms of their interface? |
| 12:51.28 | luanoob | for example one addon interacts with bank, another interacts with guildbank and bank, etc |
| 12:51.41 | luanoob | one has a gui and the other two have not |
| 12:51.51 | luanoob | anyway |
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| 12:52.10 | luanoob | i made a new folder |
| 12:52.29 | luanoob | i copied the files from one addon into my new folder |
| 12:53.06 | luanoob | i renamed my toc file to the same name as my folder and what I would like my personal addon to be called |
| 12:53.41 | luanoob | when i enter wow i get only part of the gui, not all of it |
| 12:54.02 | luanoob | any ideas where i might want to start looking? |
| 12:55.36 | Kaso| | well without knowing the specifics its hard to say. Perhaps is the addon several modules that work together and you only copied one over? |
| 12:56.18 | luanoob | the addon was downloaded from curse as a zip file |
| 12:56.50 | luanoob | unzipping it gives me a folder with the name of the addon, sub folders are present |
| 12:56.52 | Aelobin | im guessing you only copied one of the toc's over, so it's only loading one of the addons n that folder ;) |
| 12:57.08 | luanoob | i copied the contents, sub folders included to my new folder |
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| 12:58.19 | luanoob | i went to the original folder, did a ctrl+a, so i got all the files and folders, then pasted into my new empty folder |
| 12:59.07 | alestane | But did you also make sure that your one .toc file lists all the files from the .toc files of the originals? |
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| 13:00.35 | luanoob | i only renamed one toc file, there are no other toc files present, not in root or sub folders |
| 13:01.14 | alestane | It will load only the files in that renamed .toc file then. |
| 13:02.23 | luanoob | since i copied all the files over, and have only changed the name of the toc file, i would assume that everything would work ok, but its not |
| 13:02.47 | alestane | The .toc contains the names of the actual files to load, that's why it's a "table of contents" file. |
| 13:03.08 | luanoob | yes, those files exist in the new folder |
| 13:03.18 | Aelobin | still seems kinda pointless if youre just putting the files into 1 folder :P |
| 13:03.35 | alestane | But did you change the .toc to include those files you copied into the new folder? |
| 13:04.08 | luanoob | sorry alestane i do not follow what you mean |
| 13:04.20 | alestane | Open the .toc file op in Notepad. |
| 13:04.38 | luanoob | done |
| 13:05.02 | alestane | There should be a list of files in it after the part where everything starts with ##. |
| 13:05.53 | luanoob | there are some files, a group of 3 (2 lua 1 xml) and a group of 2 (2 lua) |
| 13:06.13 | alestane | Are those the files from all three add-ons that you want to merge, or only from one of them? |
| 13:07.00 | luanoob | i am only working on one addon at the moment, so i have only copied into my new folder the files for that one addon |
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| 13:07.43 | luanoob | so to answer your q the files are for only one addon |
| 13:08.11 | alestane | But you say that not all of that add-on is working? |
| 13:09.09 | luanoob | yes, when i click on the addon in wow i see the addons window, the place you see other addons like sexymap or tomtom |
| 13:09.29 | luanoob | i get the outer information, one checkbox |
| 13:10.05 | luanoob | i should get the outer stuff - 3 checkboxes and an inner frame with its own tabs |
| 13:10.13 | p3lim | holy crist its hot outside here today |
| 13:10.23 | luanoob | lol# |
| 13:10.32 | alestane | luanoob: Did you disable the original add-on that you copied from? |
| 13:10.40 | p3lim | ïts like 25 degrees or so atm |
| 13:10.56 | luanoob | checking |
| 13:12.10 | luanoob | i'm going to relaunch wow and retest just to make sure, brb |
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| 13:16.23 | luanoob | ok i have wow in window mode, before entering as my toon i looked at the addons list, there is one entry for the old name of the addon, that is ticked for this toon. |
| 13:16.51 | luanoob | before i launched wow i made sure that the folder for the old addon was not present in my interface/addon folder |
| 13:17.01 | alestane | Did you change the title of the AddOn inside the .toc file, or only the filename? |
| 13:17.13 | luanoob | only the filename of the .toc file |
| 13:17.30 | alestane | But you removed the old one. |
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| 13:17.52 | luanoob | the old addon folder from interface/addon ? |
| 13:17.54 | Hati | morning |
| 13:20.07 | alestane | You said you did. Does the addon folder contain other folders? |
| 13:20.31 | Aelobin | does BG state change sounds come under "ambient" or "sound effect" ? |
| 13:20.55 | luanoob | the addon in my new folder has subfolders yes |
| 13:21.55 | ckknight | hey all |
| 13:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi. |
| 13:22.03 | luanoob | hi knight |
| 13:22.20 | ckknight | Adys: pong |
| 13:22.32 | alestane | Then the first thing I'd check is whether your .toc file, or any <Script> elements in any of your .xml files, refer to files by the folder name of the original addon. |
| 13:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | That was what I was guessing was wrong, alestane. |
| 13:23.07 | luanoob | sounds fair enough, i'll double check, brb |
| 13:26.42 | alestane | I'm sorely tempted to throw this spare [Hoodoo Hex] enchant on my Spring Circlet. |
| 13:27.12 | luanoob | i have one toc file and one xml file, neither of which mention the name of the folder for the original addon, in fact they only mention folder names that are subfolders, relative |
| 13:27.33 | luanoob | i think i'll try to say that clearer |
| 13:28.07 | luanoob | they do mention folder names but only folders that are sub folders of where the toc file is located |
| 13:28.43 | luanoob | they mention those sub folders without giving full paths like c:\xxx\yyy\vvv.toc |
| 13:29.16 | alestane | Or "Interface/AddOns/SomeAddOn/" |
| 13:29.45 | Hati | uhm |
| 13:29.52 | luanoob | indeed they do not mention interface or addon or anything similar to the original addon name |
| 13:30.38 | luanoob | basically all i have done so far is rename the addon folder and rename the .toc filename, nothing else |
| 13:30.43 | Hati | newBarBtn = { type='execute', order=1, name="Create a new Bar", }, << if i want to call a function on "button-press" with this ... do i have to use > func = myFunction() ........... and then somewhere else in the code > function myFunction() end ? |
| 13:31.05 | alestane | I understand that. But you have to make sure that nothing in there before was dependent on the original name. |
| 13:31.42 | alestane | Which it sounds like there probably wasn't. |
| 13:31.48 | luanoob | i follow what you are saying, makes sense to me too, i checked within the toc file and the xml file |
| 13:32.46 | luanoob | shall i mention the name of the addon i am trying to modify? |
| 13:33.32 | alestane | Someone who does more with libraries might know of the top of their head: are OptionalDeps and RequiredDeps based off of the name of the AddOn as inside the .tooc file, or the name of the folder? |
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| 13:35.07 | luanoob | shall i look within my files for these Deps? |
| 13:35.35 | alestane | The question I'm not sure of is whether something is is depending on your add-on, not the other way around. |
| 13:37.56 | luanoob | ok, the addon has two subfolders, libdatabroker-1.1 and what appears to be a folder containing bespoke lua for scolls,sliders,tabs etc |
| 13:40.50 | Lopeppeppy | That second folder seems to be very important relative to the issue that you're having. |
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| 13:40.59 | luanoob | hang on, i think i have an idea |
| 13:41.36 | alestane | Good, because my long-distance tech support skills are already straining at the seams. |
| 13:41.49 | Kraps | i can /feel/ the spirit nerf /grimace |
| 13:41.50 | luanoob | looking inside the config type folder files there is a reference to things like this |
| 13:41.52 | luanoob | self.right:SetTexture("Interface\\OptionsFrame\\UI-OptionsFrame-InActiveTab") |
| 13:42.12 | luanoob | now that would not normally be an issue i guess |
| 13:42.45 | luanoob | however the folder in the wow\interface\addon folder is a junction point |
| 13:43.09 | luanoob | i'll try something, brb |
| 13:45.45 | luanoob | bugger |
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| 13:46.43 | luanoob | i deleted the folder that was a junction point and instead just copied the entire new folder from working dir to the \interface\addon folder |
| 13:46.54 | luanoob | i hoped that the junction point was causing an issue |
| 13:46.58 | luanoob | apprears not |
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| 13:47.54 | alestane | Do you have "Show Lua Errors" turned on in your interface options? |
| 13:47.56 | luanoob | what puzzles me is what i see in the interface addons myaddonname window when i'm in wow |
| 13:48.19 | Hati | uhm If i use type='execute', how do i call the function ? (AceConfig3) |
| 13:48.53 | luanoob | i see the name of the addon in the addons list on the left, i see text on the right like addon name and description of functions available |
| 13:49.07 | luanoob | i see one checkbox and then nothing else |
| 13:49.25 | luanoob | i expect to see 3 checkboxes and a sub window with two tabs |
| 13:49.48 | luanoob | i'll let you ponder while i go bb, brb |
| 13:50.16 | alestane | I'd make sure that Lua Errors are enabled in WoW and look in FrameXML.log for any loading errors reported. |
| 13:50.44 | jnwhiteh | there's not much for us to ponder, something is wrong and you're the one who has to help us troubleshoot it =) |
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| 13:52.27 | luanoob | lol |
| 13:53.39 | luanoob | i have auc-adv addons ticked for this toon, included is a program called swatter that picks up errors, no errors are logged for the current session |
| 13:54.44 | luanoob | lol ok i've gone into the interface menu and clicked on the show lua errors bit |
| 13:54.58 | luanoob | now i have a popup error message which reads |
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| 13:55.49 | luanoob | interface\addons\myaddonname\config.lua:20: attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value) |
| 13:56.37 | luanoob | and line 20 of config.lua reads |
| 13:56.51 | luanoob | overstock:SetChecked(oldaddonname.db.overstock) |
| 13:57.28 | luanoob | strangely enough thats after the checkbox i see and before the one i do not, hmm smells like a winner |
| 13:59.38 | luanoob | i'm going to change that to myaddonname and see if i get any different output i.e. more before it crashes out on the next oldaddonname.db |
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| 14:02.22 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. |
| 14:03.04 | luanoob | nope got same error but with myaddonname |
| 14:03.20 | alestane | You're having some kind of issue with Ace, sounds like. |
| 14:03.37 | luanoob | ie overstock:SetChecked(myaddonname.db.overstock) |
| 14:03.42 | alestane | Ace is not something I deal with much. |
| 14:04.14 | alestane | Is it db that can't be indexed now, or myaddonname? |
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| 14:07.06 | luanoob | lol so many windows open... was attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value), now is attempt to index global 'myaddonname' (a nil value) |
| 14:07.53 | alestane | You made it worse, then, you should change it back. |
| 14:08.29 | alestane | Take a look in the Logs folder of your WoW directory, for a file called FrameXML.log. |
| 14:08.56 | luanoob | quick side q, do i need to exit wow or can i just do reloadui if i am only changing code inside a file? |
| 14:09.29 | alestane | If the file was there when WoW loaded, a reloadui should be sufficient. |
| 14:10.05 | alestane | Changes to the files used in the .toc, or the creation or renaming of files, will require you to reload WoW before they're recognized. |
| 14:11.00 | luanoob | that is what i hoped for :) |
| 14:11.16 | luanoob | just double checking |
| 14:14.39 | luanoob | right here is what i have confirmed, leaving line 20 of config.lua as was give index field 'db' |
| 14:15.24 | luanoob | if i change line 20 to use myaddonname instead of oldaddonname i get index global 'myaddonname' |
| 14:15.59 | Seerah | if you've posted your code already, could you do it again for me? |
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| 14:16.02 | alestane | So change it back, it isn't actually dependent on the add-on folder name. |
| 14:16.21 | Seerah | and is this Ace2 or Ace3? |
| 14:16.24 | Hati | t={ type='group', order=30, name='', args = { }}, < can i also write: t.type='group'; t.order=30; t.name=''; t.args = { }; ?? |
| 14:16.51 | Seerah | Hati: yes, though you don't need the ; |
| 14:17.04 | Hati | yea it was just for IRC ^^ |
| 14:17.23 | Industrial | lua> a={b='foo'} a.b='bar' print(a.b) |
| 14:17.23 | lua_bot | Industrial: bar |
| 14:17.40 | Seerah | huggles Indie |
| 14:17.43 | luanoob | ok we are back to 'db' again now |
| 14:17.48 | Industrial | huggles Seerah |
| 14:18.06 | kneeki | lua_bot, db is just a database for the player |
| 14:18.21 | alestane | Something is not loading some critical piece of Ace code, is what it sounds like. |
| 14:18.32 | Seerah | luanoob: can you post your code please? :p |
| 14:18.36 | Seerah | (or again, for me) |
| 14:18.43 | Seerah | and is this Ace2 or Ace3? |
| 14:19.05 | luanoob | sorry seerah i did not realize you were talking to me |
| 14:19.11 | luanoob | the line 20 code is |
| 14:19.18 | Seerah | that's okay :) only have 10 mins or so ;) |
| 14:19.21 | Seerah | not just that line |
| 14:19.32 | alestane | wowuidev.pastey.net |
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| 14:19.40 | Seerah | all of the relevant code at wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 14:19.59 | luanoob | all? for all the files? or just config.lua? |
| 14:20.07 | Seerah | the relevant code ;) |
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| 14:20.25 | luanoob | ok |
| 14:20.39 | Seerah | the function where you declare your saved variables table using AceDB and the function you are trying to call (and when you are trying to call it) |
| 14:20.45 | Aelobin | is there an addon that changes keybindings on entering a bg/arena? and the opposite also |
| 14:20.54 | alestane | Seerah: He is not the original author of this code. |
| 14:21.11 | Seerah | new author or just debuggin? |
| 14:21.14 | Seerah | *+g |
| 14:21.15 | alestane | He's renamed an existing add-on and is trying to figure out how this causes it to break. |
| 14:21.27 | alestane | As a learning exercise. |
| 14:21.29 | Seerah | okay |
| 14:21.37 | kneeki | ADDON_LOADED? |
| 14:21.44 | Industrial | what breaks exactly (error message?) |
| 14:21.44 | luanoob | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113334-2fhe |
| 14:22.06 | Seerah | he's getting nil values, iirc |
| 14:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | Aelobin, there's something that allows for different action bars, I forget what it's called... |
| 14:22.18 | alestane | kneeki has a very good point, actually. |
| 14:22.20 | Industrial | line 240 |
| 14:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Simple Action Sets? |
| 14:22.25 | luanoob | attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value) |
| 14:22.46 | Aelobin | thanks peppy ill go search it :) |
| 14:23.21 | Seerah | luanoob: is this tek's original code, or what you've changed? |
| 14:23.32 | luanoob | interface\addons\myaddonname\config.lua:20: attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value) |
| 14:24.00 | Aelobin | Lopeppeppy: hmm tis nice but not quite what im after :P |
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| 14:24.06 | luanoob | its tek's stuff, all i did was rename the folder for the addon and rename the filename of the toc file to be the same as the new folder |
| 14:24.22 | Aelobin | i bind my insignia to P in pvp, so i'd like to rebind spellbook when out of BGs :P |
| 14:24.37 | kneeki | luanoob; don't forget the ace dep's in the .toc file |
| 14:24.37 | Seerah | luanoob: did you change anything inside of the toc file? |
| 14:24.55 | luanoob | i'll paste that too, brb |
| 14:25.26 | Hati | hmm |
| 14:25.30 | Hati | attempt to call global 'InitializeBarsToOptions' (a nil value) ?? |
| 14:25.38 | Hati | barOptions = InitializeBarsToOptions() |
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| 14:25.52 | Industrial | luanoob: I feel the need to ask "What are you attempting to learn?". |
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| 14:27.30 | luanoob | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113335 |
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| 14:28.23 | luanoob | i had to change the paste so that it would not choke on the url stuff |
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| 14:28.36 | Seerah | so, you did not change anything insdie? |
| 14:28.44 | luanoob | i want to learn a bit about lua and to combine the functionality of 3 addons together with the result being able to do more than the three items as stand alones |
| 14:29.00 | Legorol | How do the in-game threat warnings work exactly? If you don't have aggro on a mob, then yellow nameplate at 90% and red at 100%? |
| 14:29.19 | Industrial | t: shut up fool |
| 14:29.19 | luanoob | only edited line 8 in the paste, not in the file i have here |
| 14:29.23 | Hati | red means it has you in target if iam not wrong |
| 14:29.27 | Legorol | and is that 90/100 relative to the current aggro holder, or relative to how much you need to pull? |
| 14:30.02 | Seerah | and you're sure you didn't change anything inside the lua file, luanoob? |
| 14:30.36 | luanoob | i did not, i can repeat the process if you would like? |
| 14:31.08 | Seerah | because the .toc files says the saved variables are stored under StealYourCarbonDB, yet in the lua file it is StealYourCarbon.db |
| 14:31.31 | luanoob | i'll check the dl zip |
| 14:31.50 | alestane | kneeki makes an excellent point...is the value passed to ADDON_LOADED based on the AddOn title in the TOC, or on the folder name? |
| 14:32.40 | Seerah | oh, this is config.lua..... |
| 14:33.09 | luanoob | i checked the dl zip, un-altered, and it is carbonDB |
| 14:34.12 | Seerah | it's by folder name, alestane :) |
| 14:34.45 | alestane | So if some other code checks for ADDON_LOADED, and doesn't find the value it was expecting, it won't run, and the add-on will remain uninitialized. |
| 14:35.16 | Seerah | so, luanoob, in the main lua file, find the section titled Events and change if addon:lower() ~= "stealyourcarbon" then return end to what you renamed the folder to |
| 14:35.30 | Seerah | this is the function where it changes StealYourCarbonDB to StealYourCarbon.db |
| 14:35.31 | Hati | mah >.< |
| 14:35.43 | luanoob | o ok i'll look |
| 14:38.09 | luanoob | found it and changed it will reloadui and see what i get |
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| 14:38.51 | luanoob | tada!!!!! |
| 14:39.13 | alestane | kneeki: Thanks, it would have taken me three hours to think of that. |
| 14:39.19 | luanoob | i understand part of the change log comments now, about needing all lower case |
| 14:39.24 | kneeki | alestane, =) |
| 14:39.59 | luanoob | you see i initially did a search and replace in all files, looks like i upset it with caps here and there, lol |
| 14:40.53 | luanoob | thank you all for your kind help and patience with a virgin lua'er! |
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| 14:42.03 | luanoob | and in case you missed it, i will not be distributing my addon if i get it all working! |
| 14:42.18 | Lopeppeppy | Always the best choice, when learning from other people's work. :) |
| 14:42.35 | alestane | luanoob: Since it won't really be 'your' addon, that's aprobably a wise choice. |
| 14:42.37 | luanoob | right thats me off thanks again |
| 14:43.22 | kneeki | lol |
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| 14:47.06 | Hati | höh |
| 14:47.24 | Hati | CooldownIcons.args.layout.args.barOptions.args.argsColon.args.order: expected a table, got a number |
| 14:47.26 | Hati | wtf |
| 14:47.51 | kneeki | Hati, you didn't give that function a table? |
| 14:48.16 | nicoli_s | thats alot of dots in a variable |
| 14:48.24 | Hati | yea |
| 14:48.28 | Hati | it's option table :< |
| 14:48.32 | kneeki | I was going to say that as well =p |
| 14:49.37 | Hati | newT.args.order=i |
| 14:49.44 | alestane | That's a lot of .args |
| 14:51.49 | Hati | hmm maybe could some1 look at the code? |
| 14:52.20 | alestane | 123NOTIT. |
| 14:52.45 | Hati | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113337-4eh6 |
| 14:53.12 | Pneumatus | use more handers imo |
| 14:53.33 | Hati | ? |
| 14:53.41 | Pneumatus | although that wouldnt help for any generic calls |
| 14:53.50 | Pneumatus | just helps for code inside the tables |
| 14:54.08 | nevcairiel | I see the error, but i'm kinda too lazy to explain |
| 14:54.43 | nevcairiel | if you have a group, the args option needs to be a table with a sub-tabel for every option |
| 14:54.50 | nevcairiel | you can't just place one option in there |
| 14:57.02 | Hati | ? |
| 14:57.36 | Pneumatus | like this: http://ace.pastey.net/113338 |
| 14:57.47 | kneeki | Hati, Options = { CooldownArgs = { your args }, layoutArgs = { args }, ectra = { args }, } |
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| 15:02.10 | Hati | isn't that what i did oO? |
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| 15:04.34 | Wobin | ygh |
| 15:04.36 | Wobin | ugh |
| 15:04.43 | Wobin | I need a 'reply-to' style arrow |
| 15:04.56 | Wobin | and one that can fit into something the size of a fontstring |
| 15:06.23 | Kraps | anyone here working on icehud? |
| 15:10.48 | Kraps | or know when it will be updated? |
| 15:12.43 | Kraps | swimming mounts :0 |
| 15:13.09 | alestane | They're really slow though. |
| 15:13.50 | Kraps | same as without |
| 15:14.36 | Lopeppeppy | But you look cooler. |
| 15:14.50 | alestane | Only benefit is you don't have to mount again when you get out of the water. |
| 15:15.05 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Especially when you're riding a polar bear. |
| 15:15.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, too cool for words. |
| 15:16.40 | alestane | Except that it calculates your height in the water as if you were swimming and then puts the bear under you. |
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| 15:17.25 | Kraps | same with the horse :( |
| 15:17.33 | Kraps | looks silly |
| 15:17.52 | Lopeppeppy | So my mount can swim, but it's drowning? |
| 15:18.05 | alestane | Yep. They should get that looked at IMO. |
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| 15:18.22 | Lopeppeppy | Give them snorkels. |
| 15:19.34 | nevcairiel | the only benefit really is that you don't instantly dismount |
| 15:19.37 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: you can get the eyes above water if you position the precisely but thats it |
| 15:19.38 | nevcairiel | its not like its fast |
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| 15:20.00 | Lopeppeppy | I'd go slower if I were drowning too, but I guess that's just me. :P |
| 15:20.07 | Kraps | s/the/it/ |
| 15:20.21 | Kraps | rofl\ |
| 15:20.29 | Kraps | stupid robot |
| 15:20.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 15:22.23 | Kraps | so i guess healers have to put more emphasis on regen now ya? |
| 15:23.22 | alestane | Or on conservation. |
| 15:24.32 | alestane | Also depends whether you were using something liek meditation or intensity before. |
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| 15:27.08 | Kraps | i.e. inner focus? |
| 15:27.23 | jnwhiteh | who's the original author of DBM? |
| 15:27.25 | Lopeppeppy | Spirit nerf doesn't effect paladins so much, but it still changes how everyone else does business, and therefore how we do business. |
| 15:27.26 | jnwhiteh | and anyone know em? |
| 15:27.54 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: we as in...? |
| 15:28.05 | alestane | Healadins. |
| 15:28.32 | alestane | I just saw a draenei hunter named "Frogsarecool." |
| 15:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | jnwhiteh, healadins. |
| 15:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | Just because spirit isn't one of our top stats, doesn't mean that when it changes life for the other healers, we don't have to change our tactics too. :) |
| 15:29.50 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: that the same as Tandanu? |
| 15:29.54 | jnwhiteh | or are they diff people? |
| 15:30.14 | Lopeppeppy | Um.... I didn't say any people, jnwhiteh. |
| 15:30.15 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I think you answered the wrong person. |
| 15:30.20 | jnwhiteh | oh |
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| 15:30.32 | Kraps | so no more <90% mana in instances? :p |
| 15:30.32 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 15:30.37 | alestane | SHe's not saying the DBM was written by "Healadins." |
| 15:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | You're right, I meant to answer Kraps. I'm sorry jnwhiteh. :) |
| 15:30.41 | jnwhiteh | yes, you didn't mean to respond to me |
| 15:30.42 | jnwhiteh | oh okay =) |
| 15:30.46 | jnwhiteh | fair enough |
| 15:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have the annotated "YOU'VE KILLED US ALL" swine flu pic? |
| 15:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | The kid with the pig? |
| 15:33.40 | Lopeppeppy | One moment. |
| 15:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 15:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone posted it.. without the annotation |
| 15:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | This need rectified |
| 15:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | This is one properties I get for it... http://imgur.com/27K39.jpg |
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| 15:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the one! |
| 15:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 15:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 15:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, 'peppey kisses. |
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| 15:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And unrelated, it's unfortunate that this Curse whining was inevitable |
| 15:37.29 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple whine, that's their thing, you see. |
| 15:37.39 | alestane | Baaaa! |
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| 15:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I have this odd urge to mod Left4Dead and replace the swarms of zombies with common WoW forum trolls |
| 15:40.44 | End | haha |
| 15:40.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be oddly satisfying, taking a pump shotgun of sorts to them |
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| 15:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy |
| 15:41.08 | Lopeppeppy | I like you, ScytheBlade1. |
| 15:41.16 | End | the crescendo events are new patches ;-) |
| 15:41.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | purl: stop slacking |
| 15:42.00 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: That. Would. Be. Awesome! |
| 15:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It's REALLY unfortunate that I have no clue how to do it |
| 15:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That, and how I'd represent the trolls |
| 15:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Slapping names on zombies would be a bit much, as I have no actual desires to kill the sheeple in quest... |
| 15:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Sheeple! That's it! |
| 15:44.11 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Yes, sheeple would be perfect. |
| 15:44.16 | theorbtwo | You could possibly steal the troll models from wow. |
| 15:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple are perfect for bbq. |
| 15:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man. Sudden urge to learn what I need to, despite pages and pages of homework being due tomorrow |
| 15:45.10 | Lopeppeppy | Resist. |
| 15:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | The homework? ;) |
| 15:45.52 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. |
| 15:45.52 | jnwhiteh | If you play World of Warcraft, chances are you know what Deadly Boss Mods is: it's the most widely downloaded modification available for WoW, considered required software for many professional raid guilds, and arguably the most popular modern video game mod in history. |
| 15:45.54 | jnwhiteh | why |
| 15:45.59 | jnwhiteh | WHY do people make these claims |
| 15:46.09 | Lopeppeppy | "the most widely downloaded" ? |
| 15:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 15:46.16 | Hirsute | jnwhiteh: I've seen a number of addons make that claim. |
| 15:46.19 | Kalroth | How will you debunk them? :p |
| 15:46.19 | Hirsute | Makes me giggle. |
| 15:46.24 | jnwhiteh | well they're stpid |
| 15:46.32 | Trela_ | I never heard of Deadly Boss Mods after I had been using BigWigs for over a year. |
| 15:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: point 1: the majority of WoW players are 'stupid' |
| 15:46.39 | jnwhiteh | one of the most famous World of Warcraft add-ons ever with over 8 million users worldwide |
| 15:46.41 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:46.43 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: point 2: DBM helps stupid people |
| 15:46.45 | jnwhiteh | it does not have 8 million users, sorry |
| 15:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: point 3: It's popular! |
| 15:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 15:47.18 | Kalroth | 8 million users? where does it say that? |
| 15:47.22 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: hey! |
| 15:47.24 | jnwhiteh | these are just BS cliams |
| 15:47.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I was sick of getting people out of the fire in MC. Sorry if I'm a bit.. stuck up about that |
| 15:47.30 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: I am NOT saying its not popular. |
| 15:47.31 | jnwhiteh | it is. |
| 15:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: OUT OF THE FIRE WITH YOU |
| 15:47.36 | jnwhiteh | but these claims are fucking absurd |
| 15:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: I know, I'm joking |
| 15:47.38 | jnwhiteh | and I hate when people do it |
| 15:47.56 | Kraps | I'M THE TANK. YOU GET OUT OF THE FIRE |
| 15:48.05 | Fisker- | OH LAWDY LOO |
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| 15:48.11 | Fisker- | I think that the premium thing is EPIC PHAIL and should be revoked immediateley. I Refuse to pay you a single penny for what you want. It probably does use more bandwidth for us to surf the site to find the addon then it does to just AUTO UPDATE.. I think the whole thing is a load of bull.. I know for sure I won't be paying for this. |
| 15:48.21 | Kraps | CANT TOUCH THIS |
| 15:48.25 | Fisker- | 10 minutes after: |
| 15:48.26 | Fisker- | ... Yes.. I am kind of embarrased now because I have just made an ass of myself.. I read the newspost on Curseforge as well.. I still don't think that you should charge for it but.. Being fully informed tends to help.. I revoke my previous comment, ((If I could)). |
| 15:48.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: NO MORE HEALS FOR YOU. OUT OF THE FIRE. |
| 15:48.36 | Fisker- | (He's an addon author so he'll get free premium) |
| 15:48.38 | Fisker- | lololol |
| 15:48.47 | End | I didn't care much either way |
| 15:48.47 | Kaelten | how's it going guys |
| 15:48.54 | End | but I did notice my free premium email 8-) |
| 15:48.54 | Kraps | OH NOES |
| 15:48.58 | Fisker- | DBM is a disease btw jnwhiteh |
| 15:48.59 | Kalroth | we're trashtalking Curse, Kaelten! |
| 15:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Kalroth: 11:40 < ScytheBlade1> I have this odd urge to mod Left4Dead and replace the swarms of zombies with common WoW forum trolls |
| 15:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 15:49.08 | Kaelten | Kalroth: aren't you trendy |
| 15:49.08 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 15:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Kalroth: disregard! Stupid autocomplete |
| 15:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: what I just pasted |
| 15:49.18 | Kalroth | Kaelten: trashtalking like it's 2005! |
| 15:49.28 | Hirsute | Kaelten: lol! |
| 15:49.29 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: lol |
| 15:49.51 | Kaelten | Kalroth: heh |
| 15:49.56 | Kalroth | actually I think jnwhiteh was raging over DBM because it gets more downloads than his addons! |
| 15:49.59 | Kaelten | Hirsute: :) |
| 15:50.09 | Kaelten | jnwhiteh: you rage you loose |
| 15:50.39 | Kalroth | soon he'll go cogwheel on us |
| 15:51.22 | Kaelten | ~lart Kalroth |
| 15:51.22 | purl | cuts Kalroth into thin stripes |
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| 15:51.36 | Xinhuan | what? lol |
| 15:51.39 | Kalroth | that's a lot of stripes |
| 15:53.39 | Kalroth | Kaelten: is it possible to see a top 10 of most downloaded addons? |
| 15:53.45 | Kalroth | (not daily, that is) |
| 15:54.19 | End | there used to be a way at least, but the number you're looking for is unique installs |
| 15:54.26 | End | and I don't know how to measure that |
| 15:54.31 | Kalroth | no way to see that really |
| 15:54.54 | Kaelten | what are you wanting exactly? |
| 15:54.58 | Kalroth | I guess unique downloads of a particular version might be better, but then again, not everyone updates their addons daily/weekly |
| 15:55.15 | Kalroth | Kaelten: Well if I view the page of an addon, I can see total addons |
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| 15:55.26 | Kalroth | Kaelten: Just a top 10/20 of those total downloads |
| 15:55.27 | Kalroth | err |
| 15:55.33 | Kalroth | total addons = total downloads :P |
| 15:55.39 | Kalroth | needs more coffeeeee. |
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| 15:55.43 | Kaelten | are you wondering what the most popular addons are? |
| 15:55.48 | Kaelten | your very confusing |
| 15:55.51 | Kalroth | something like that, yes |
| 15:56.08 | Cairenn|afk | Kalroth: sure you can, just look here: http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 15:56.15 | Kraps | omen has 3.5 million d/ls on wowi |
| 15:56.19 | Cairenn|afk | top 75 mods across all three sites :p |
| 15:56.28 | Wobin | grrr |
| 15:56.35 | Wobin | I hate wrestling with textures |
| 15:56.43 | Kalroth | Cairenn|afk: sorted by downloads, please :P |
| 15:56.57 | Cairenn|afk | Kalroth: tough, alphabetical :p |
| 15:57.10 | Cairenn|afk | and, I was being a smart ass :p |
| 15:57.18 | Kalroth | :( |
| 15:57.26 | Kaelten | QuestHelper, Atlasloot Enhanced, Omen Threat, Cartographer, Auctioneer, DBM, X-Perl, Bartender4, Atlas, RAtingBuster, Fubar 3.6,Decursive, OmniCC, Bagnon, Healbot continued |
| 15:57.27 | Kalroth | Kaelten: like http://wow.curse.com/downloads/MostDownloaded.aspx?SectionID=3816 but for total downloads |
| 15:57.31 | Kaelten | those are the most popular |
| 15:57.53 | Kaelten | the listing I just gave you is more meaning ful |
| 15:58.16 | Hirsute | I'm amazed at how few of those (the ones Cairenn|afk posted) I use. |
| 15:58.17 | Kraps | carbonite<QH |
| 15:58.21 | zenzelezz | and a really purty smart ass at that |
| 15:58.36 | Kalroth | well eg. Omen Threat got less downloads than DBM, Kaelten |
| 15:58.42 | Cairenn|afk | zenzelezz: *blush* |
| 15:58.49 | Kaelten | to round out the top 20: BigWigs, Prat, Fubar durabilityfu, fubarmoneyfu, scrollingcombattext |
| 15:58.53 | Hirsute | I use three of the ones that Kaelten just posted. |
| 15:59.10 | Hirsute | Five when you consider the rest of that list there. |
| 15:59.15 | Kaelten | Kalroth: more people use omen than dbm |
| 15:59.36 | Kalroth | I use Omen, DBM, Bartender4, RatingBuster, Fubar, OmniCC of those listen |
| 15:59.41 | Kalroth | Kaelten: Aye, from client info |
| 16:00.00 | sylvanaar | i use 8 of the 20 |
| 16:00.09 | Kalroth | listed* |
| 16:00.30 | jnwhiteh | http://doihaveswineflu.org |
| 16:00.31 | Kraps | you can see top d/ls on wowi here on the side http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php |
| 16:00.31 | Pneumatus | i use 5 |
| 16:00.41 | Kalroth | Kraps: Ah, nice |
| 16:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: win |
| 16:01.01 | Hirsute | For me it's: Omen, Cartographer, Auctioneer, RatingsBuster, Fubar (with durability and money), BigWigs, Prat |
| 16:01.05 | Hirsute | I can't count today, apparently. |
| 16:01.20 | Kalroth | yeah, I use dura and money too :) |
| 16:02.48 | Xinhuan | [4/30 23:55:56] <Kraps> omen has 3.5 million d/ls on wowi <--- i'll like to clarify that omen wasn't really updated on wowi until i took it over (omen3), it had 1.4 mil downloads then, so omen3 has had 2.1 mil downloads |
| 16:02.55 | alestane | I think the most popular add-ons I use are Gathermate and Routes. |
| 16:03.05 | Xinhuan | also we moved te omen repo from SVN to Git |
| 16:03.09 | Hirsute | Who here uses Prat? (something I still haven't figured out after a few weeks of investigating, driving me batty) Is there any way to have the scroll buttons for *all* chat windows on the left, rather than just General? |
| 16:03.13 | Xinhuan | so that also resetted teh download count somewhat |
| 16:03.23 | Kraps | Xinhuan: mk |
| 16:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | 12:00 < ScytheBlade1> jnwhiteh: win |
| 16:03.57 | Kaelten | Hirsute: sylvanaar wrote it ask him |
| 16:04.04 | Grum | Xinhuan: it doesnt |
| 16:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops, sorry, ignore that line |
| 16:04.08 | Grum | at least not on curse :) |
| 16:04.13 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 16:04.25 | Xinhuan | so what's DBM's download count? :) |
| 16:04.33 | Grum | the individual counts are gone |
| 16:04.41 | Xinhuan | compared to omen |
| 16:04.44 | Grum | the total is still there until the project is poofed |
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| 16:05.08 | Kraps | why do people hate curse? i do prefer wowi, but i use curse when i need to |
| 16:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | has a bored. |
| 16:05.23 | Xinhuan | i don't think people "hate" curse |
| 16:05.24 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: you're about 25% more popular |
| 16:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | They were a moderately different company several years back |
| 16:05.30 | Lopeppeppy | They hate curse because somehow curse was labeled the bad guy in blocking wowmatrix. |
| 16:05.37 | Xinhuan | but more so prefer wowi because... well, wowi loads faster? :P |
| 16:05.40 | Grum | i started to love curse since they released a proper updater :D |
| 16:05.45 | Xinhuan | and is easier to navigate |
| 16:05.56 | Kraps | [12:05:46]<Xinhuan>and is easier to navigate |
| 16:05.59 | Kraps | yes |
| 16:06.18 | ScytheBlade1 | They also had issues with keyloggers, but I'm unaware of a single large addon site that hasn't -- but for some reason, that aura really stuck around curse |
| 16:06.33 | Xinhuan | curse didn't have any key logging past |
| 16:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, run on sentence |
| 16:06.47 | Kraps | sites dont get thats its really all about easy of use |
| 16:06.52 | Xinhuan | wowace did have a trojan-in-an-ad-in-WAU |
| 16:06.59 | Xinhuan | but that wasn't exactly related to curse then |
| 16:07.21 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: different how? |
| 16:07.21 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1, the thing that kills me is how many people say all of our files are full of trojan/spyware, but when I ask them to report me some they never point out any |
| 16:07.23 | Xinhuan | but now that wowace is under curse, its easy to mix them up |
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| 16:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: ask Kaelten, paraphrasing him, "I sure wouldn't have wanted to work for the old Curse" (which I just read, took at face value and ran with) |
| 16:08.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: people are stupid |
| 16:08.38 | Kaelten | that was actually curse's add network at the time though :( |
| 16:08.48 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
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| 16:11.05 | kamdis | I'm sad. Over the last month or so I've really come to loathe the UI&M forum, just like all the rest of the WoW forums. :( |
| 16:11.21 | kamdis | Idiots ruin everything. |
| 16:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It was "back to normal" for a few days there |
| 16:11.35 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:11.43 | Kraps | what happened? |
| 16:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Curse launched their premium. ;D |
| 16:12.00 | Hirsute | kamdis: Meh, it's been a major irritation for me for quite q while. Just more so of late. |
| 16:12.01 | kamdis | Just all the WoWMatrix crap and Curse bashing. |
| 16:12.17 | Lunessa | huggles kamdis. |
| 16:12.32 | kamdis | Hirsute: It used to be an occasional thread that was easy to ignore, instead of the entire front page. |
| 16:12.36 | Hirsute | Has the WoWMatrix stuff not calmed down yet? |
| 16:12.36 | Grum | what happened is that curse is simply awesome :D |
| 16:12.41 | Wobin | oh it has |
| 16:12.43 | kamdis | smiles wearily at Lunessa. |
| 16:12.47 | ScytheBlade1 | They should make a "UI&M Meta" board, and move all of the crap we don't care for over there. |
| 16:12.51 | Wobin | now it's ZOMG BLIZZARD CEASE AND DESIST TO CURSE |
| 16:13.05 | Kraftman | where can i read about this premium thing before asking noobish questions? |
| 16:13.12 | Kraps | yknow, you dont have to use the curse premium if you dont want to :/ |
| 16:13.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraftman: curse.com I'd assume |
| 16:13.16 | kamdis | curse.com |
| 16:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/462154.aspx |
| 16:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | In specific |
| 16:13.24 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/462154.aspx |
| 16:13.27 | Kraftman | >< |
| 16:13.28 | Kraftman | thanks |
| 16:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I win |
| 16:13.47 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, cowboy |
| 16:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Careful |
| 16:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I might |
| 16:13.57 | Hirsute | kamdis: *nod* Ever since I started following it, at least a year or so ago, there's always been a number of threads from people who can't be bothered to search the forums, read threads on the front page, or type in coherent sentences that just... yeah. I hate large public forums. |
| 16:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | I has a scared. |
| 16:14.12 | Wobin | ckknight: Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. |
| 16:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me you actually aren't, which is disappointing |
| 16:14.22 | Lunessa | I is a Scary! |
| 16:14.22 | Wobin | trying to link to the Premium page from the front page ^ |
| 16:14.23 | ckknight | Wobin: log out, log back in |
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| 16:14.48 | Wobin | aha! |
| 16:14.50 | Wobin | ta |
| 16:14.55 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, if I thought you were serious I'd tremble in my boots for ya. But I think we're just teasin. |
| 16:15.04 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I totally know *he* would. |
| 16:15.11 | Antiarc | hahaha, wow, the UI forums are a bucket o' fail today. |
| 16:15.17 | Kraftman | so has everyoen got a months free 'taster' then? |
| 16:15.21 | kamdis | Exactly, Antiarc. |
| 16:15.22 | Kraftman | everyone* |
| 16:15.26 | Hirsute | Antiarc: Today? |
| 16:15.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus I think you'd get me banned somehow |
| 16:15.31 | kamdis | is a sadpanda. |
| 16:15.32 | Wobin | Kraftman: You've been having the free taster for a while now =) |
| 16:15.44 | Antiarc | Moreso than usual. |
| 16:15.48 | Lunessa | Yes, I would bite. I leave marks. |
| 16:15.58 | alestane | kamdis: It's slowly starting to calm back down. |
| 16:16.01 | Kraps | why am i not seeing mana gains in the combat text? |
| 16:16.04 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: curse whining? |
| 16:16.23 | Kraftman | Wobin: in what way? |
| 16:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, they'd never let a dino have that power, we lose our tempers too easily! :) |
| 16:16.58 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 16:17.03 | Antiarc | "Wrong, exploiting another company for personal gain is illegal. And blizzard has a right to know about it." |
| 16:17.07 | Antiarc | -< el oh el |
| 16:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I'm STILL disappointed that you only managed to kick me once |
| 16:17.30 | Grum | the 'Learn More' image links to a broken spot on http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/462154.aspx (the Curse Introduces Premium Service) |
| 16:17.31 | Antiarc | These people who say "You can't make money off another company's product!" and "making money on the computer isn't a real job" really annoy me, for some reason. |
| 16:17.32 | Lopeppeppy | Phenomenal cosmic power! ... itty bitty arms can't type that fast. |
| 16:17.35 | geargrind | jnwhiteh: is this what brought that on? http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Lua-World-Warcraft-Add-ons/dp/1430223715/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241107828&sr=1-3 That's a pretty sleazy sales pitch... |
| 16:17.57 | Grum | http://ww38.smartadserver.com/call/cliccommand/2233944/%5Btimestamp%5D <-- seems broken :D |
| 16:18.52 | Grum | the Premium link on the frontpage towards: http://www.curse.com/Premium/Signup.aspx has the same problem |
| 16:19.00 | geargrind | jnwhiteh: I saw that the other day and it did strike me as a rather odd claim... |
| 16:19.03 | Wobin | works for me, Grum |
| 16:19.05 | Grum | 'Redirect Loop' -- Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. |
| 16:19.08 | Wobin | maybe logout and log back in |
| 16:19.19 | Wobin | You've probably been promoted since you loaded the page =P |
| 16:19.28 | Grum | ah that is indeed the case |
| 16:20.24 | Lunessa | I will admit, that in the last few months, my willingness to help people on the forums has been greatly reduced. And my snark-level has increased. |
| 16:20.24 | jnwhiteh | geargrind: yeah, I think it's gonna be an interesting bok |
| 16:20.29 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:20.34 | Wobin | the blurb reads like a Personal |
| 16:20.34 | Lopeppeppy | gets Lunessa a vacation |
| 16:20.35 | jnwhiteh | just think its stupid when people make claims like that |
| 16:20.50 | Wobin | "Paul also enjoys long walks along the beach and fireside chats..." |
| 16:20.55 | Hirsute | Lunessa: When the people posting are consistently self-important, demanding dick holes, that's to be expected. |
| 16:20.58 | Lunessa | takes a vacation with Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | Somewhere that's not Texas, or even here, Lunessa. |
| 16:21.31 | Lunessa | Hirsute: The thing I have perhaps failed to make entirely clear is that I'm an arrogant, self-impportant, demanding dick-hole. |
| 16:21.33 | geargrind | california imo |
| 16:21.42 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Heh. |
| 16:21.48 | Lopeppeppy | Not Cali either. I want no dread diseases ruining my trip |
| 16:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: liar, you're a bundle of joy and kittens |
| 16:22.10 | Lunessa | Peppy - Howsabout Canada? |
| 16:22.16 | geargrind | heh... i was sick from work yesterday and my boss was all worried asking me what my symptoms were... i think he wanted me to stay home today >< |
| 16:22.26 | Lunessa | Sbo - Suck it Migraine Boy. |
| 16:22.28 | alestane | OMG swine ful! |
| 16:22.32 | alestane | flu* |
| 16:22.37 | Hirsute | There's a difference between not putting up with garbage, in my mind, and "OMG HAXORAZZ!!!!!!1! WOWMATRIX WAS TEH AWZUMZ! STOP BRAKING IT!" |
| 16:22.43 | geargrind | swineful swine flu! |
| 16:22.45 | Wobin | geargrind: Did you tell him you were busy kissing pigs on the weekend? |
| 16:22.47 | Lunessa | http://imgur.com/27K39.jpg |
| 16:22.51 | geargrind | ^ |
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| 16:23.05 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: if you want my entirely unbiased opinion, you should take a vacation here! |
| 16:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: I'm trying to come up with a response but I've got nothing, I'll give you that one |
| 16:23.40 | Lunessa | Heh. Score one for me. |
| 16:23.56 | geargrind | ~lunessa++ |
| 16:24.18 | Wobin | I'd say come vacation over here |
| 16:24.24 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I think she wants a vacation which is restful, not one in which she fends off your advances all day. |
| 16:24.25 | geargrind | "here" being... ? |
| 16:24.25 | Wobin | but you'd probably bring the swine flu over =( |
| 16:24.29 | Antiarc | It's phenominal how many people think that Blizzard has somehow enacted legislation requiring addons to be fully free in every possible way |
| 16:24.37 | Wobin | Antiarc: inorite? |
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| 16:24.44 | Wobin | and suddenly everyone is a lawyer |
| 16:24.54 | Lunessa | Wobin: Only if I never have to see sheep, Kangaroos, or Vegimite. |
| 16:24.55 | alestane | On the internet, everyone IS a lawyer. |
| 16:25.08 | Wobin | Lunessa: Well... you're probably going to be sol =P |
| 16:25.21 | Wobin | unless you keep your eyes closed |
| 16:25.24 | Lunessa | Wobin: Curse you Vegimite! |
| 16:25.29 | Wobin | om nomnomnom |
| 16:25.33 | alestane | Since they all think it's some kind of nation with no laws, and anyway, who can tell who you are on the internet? |
| 16:25.40 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: Use their downloaders, or download and install addons manually. |
| 16:25.43 | Kraps | NOOOOOO |
| 16:26.28 | Lopeppeppy | travels to zenzelezz's house. |
| 16:26.33 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, what are you talking about? |
| 16:26.42 | kamdis | some of us actually are lawyers. :P |
| 16:26.51 | Kraps | your post :) |
| 16:27.02 | Wobin | kamdis: Well shut them up then =) |
| 16:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | Which one, Kraps, I post frequently, hellooooooo. :) |
| 16:27.21 | kamdis | It doesn't work. :| |
| 16:27.23 | Kraps | rofl |
| 16:27.26 | alestane | She's tried. |
| 16:27.33 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I have peeps I could visit in Canada. Hmm. |
| 16:27.36 | kamdis | They don't listen. They don't care. |
| 16:27.37 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16409721693&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 16:27.39 | alestane | People like that don't want information, they want validation. |
| 16:28.20 | ckknight | omg, my wowmatrix is dead! |
| 16:28.27 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: she wouldn't have to worry, I have no confidence when I'm not speaking in writing. There's a reason I speak so much here :-o |
| 16:28.31 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The Great Lakes, having to ask for things in French, maple syrup in all the diners, and pretty cities. |
| 16:28.37 | Grum | wowmatrix is a piece of shit, man that thing has a lot of out of date crap |
| 16:28.51 | Grum | and it leaves its stupid .dat file *everywhere* |
| 16:29.05 | Wobin | >< |
| 16:29.15 | Wobin | why doesn't WoWMatrix work? |
| 16:29.23 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:29.26 | kamdis | Antiarc: Taichon is you, right? |
| 16:29.33 | Grum | i installed it out of funsies to see what it did with my addonfolder ... i was happy i made a backup |
| 16:29.36 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I know some french, I adore maple syrup whiskey, and the water. |
| 16:29.37 | nicoli_s | grum, the .dat file is the old-nonmodified toc number |
| 16:29.52 | Hirsute | Bahahaha "Servers do not run on sunshine and rainbows" "Actually, the RP servers do" |
| 16:29.57 | Wobin | Canadian French is not normal French =) |
| 16:30.01 | kamdis | ~lart ckknight |
| 16:30.01 | purl | executes killall -KILL ckknight |
| 16:30.02 | Hirsute | I wanted to say, "No, the RP servers run on drama" |
| 16:30.02 | Grum | nicoli_s: oh seriously? they force all addons to be 'for the current version' ? >< |
| 16:30.17 | nicoli_s | yah, you should check out their code, its pretty hilarious |
| 16:30.31 | Lunessa | Peppy - Then Toronto! The amusement parks are all open and it's a good season for dinner cruises on the lake. |
| 16:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I learned canadian french. I live in Northern New York, 1/3 of the radio stations I could get were in Frnech. |
| 16:30.49 | Lopeppeppy | You come on up, we'll day trip it. |
| 16:31.00 | Antiarc | Yeah, Taichon is my paladin |
| 16:31.05 | Antiarc | The WoW forums keep switching me to him |
| 16:31.13 | Grum | nicoli_s: their code is public? |
| 16:31.15 | Antiarc | Even if I switch to my rogue a few hours later it's back on my paladin |
| 16:31.21 | Antiarc | So I've stopped switching because it's a PITA |
| 16:31.30 | kamdis | go go battle.net issues |
| 16:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | Antiarc, tell me about it. I never log in as Peppy, I keep posting on the wrong toon, and that's not good for a dino. |
| 16:31.35 | nicoli_s | grum, somebody reverse engineered it, since its a scripting language, its all visible in memory |
| 16:31.39 | kamdis | I have the same problem, but not all the time. |
| 16:31.46 | kamdis | It likes to switch me to my priest. |
| 16:32.07 | Kraps | Kaelten |
| 16:32.09 | Lopeppeppy | Love my pally. I'm tired of having to delete my posts because it's the wrong toon. |
| 16:32.14 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 16:32.19 | Antiarc | The WowMatrix client is written in a HyperCard variant |
| 16:32.23 | Antiarc | And it loads the code into memory |
| 16:32.23 | Hirsute | hopes no one ever decides to scrutinize his code. That would be embarassing. |
| 16:32.29 | Lunessa | switches kamdis to her priest and makes her heal a heroic Deadmines run. |
| 16:32.31 | Antiarc | So a couple folks sucked it out of memory |
| 16:32.37 | Grum | nicoli_s: which language is it done? (got a link somewhere? :D) |
| 16:32.51 | Kraps | i can has some of your fat CurseCash? :p |
| 16:32.51 | Lunessa | Runtime Revolution |
| 16:32.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty freaking easy |
| 16:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You on Vista? |
| 16:33.23 | Grum | who is? me no, i will not ever touch vista with a loooooooonglong pole |
| 16:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that's unfortunate, because the Vista task manager lets you dump a process to disk |
| 16:33.46 | Hirsute | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 16:33.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Which just so happens to contain all of the source code for it |
| 16:33.50 | Hirsute | Which is awesome. |
| 16:33.54 | Grum | lol |
| 16:34.25 | Hirsute | W |
| 16:34.26 | Kraps | "Well Curse is stealing your bandwidth to show its ads to you." WUUUUUUT |
| 16:34.28 | Hirsute | ... |
| 16:34.43 | Grum | lol |
| 16:34.49 | Grum | some people are so retarded |
| 16:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple deserve any horrible death they can be given. |
| 16:35.11 | kamdis | Lunessa: np! though it's switching to my horde priest :P |
| 16:35.35 | Hirsute | Was about to make a comment that I realized would be discussing violation of the Blizz ToS. So I didn't. I wonder just how much use people have put Vista's process dumping to... |
| 16:35.45 | alestane | A nice MLT, a mutton-lettuce-and-tomato sandwich, where the mutton is *nice* and *lean*.... |
| 16:36.03 | Industrial | leveling a lock, is destro viable? the lock is L61. (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IZZVcGVr0uVscrst:qb0 ?) |
| 16:36.27 | Hirsute | For levelling? Sure. |
| 16:36.34 | Hirsute | For raiding some day, no idea. |
| 16:36.45 | Industrial | i wonder if I'll OOM alot :P |
| 16:36.54 | Lunessa | alestane: to blave, which means "to bet." |
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| 16:37.07 | Fisker- | haha Kraps |
| 16:37.14 | Fisker- | giev link Kraps |
| 16:37.15 | Fisker- | NAO |
| 16:37.36 | Lunessa | Mostly dead is not the same as all dead. With all dead there's only one thing you can do. |
| 16:37.46 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16409721693&sid=1&pageNo=5 POST 86 |
| 16:38.22 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474316009&sid=1 confuses me. |
| 16:38.23 | Lunessa | Haha. Someone called me a Saint. |
| 16:38.35 | Lunessa | Saint Unkle of the Divine UI. |
| 16:38.43 | Fisker- | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 16:38.58 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473144413&sid=1 |
| 16:38.58 | Fisker- | they put guards in base camp outside of ulduar |
| 16:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone give me the banstick |
| 16:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | GIVE ME THE BANSTICK AND I SHALL PURGE THEM ALL |
| 16:39.33 | Fisker- | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 16:39.37 | Industrial | FISKER- BE PURGED BY FIRE |
| 16:39.41 | Kraps | Fisker-: ? |
| 16:39.57 | Fisker- | naw Industrial |
| 16:40.05 | Antiarc | Blizzard threads need a karma/rating system |
| 16:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | No, they need community moderation |
| 16:40.22 | Fisker- | oh hell naw Antiarc |
| 16:40.26 | Industrial | our righteous fire shall burn the 4chan from your veins fisker- |
| 16:40.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Given to a select few who as individuals have no power |
| 16:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But if X many people agree, the thread is locked/deleted/whatever |
| 16:40.56 | Fisker- | sagebomb it ScytheBlade1 |
| 16:41.30 | Adys | "The reporter has made the following comment: |
| 16:41.31 | Adys | You are clearly uncompetent in whatever you do. WTF did you banned me for trolling since its probably the biggest bullshit I ever heard. Tell me why exactly and bullshit with you being nice keep home. Look on ppl like DSSWOOSH who start trolling topics every day asshole" |
| 16:41.33 | Lunessa | SBO - I'd be kicked off the forums pretty damned fast. |
| 16:41.34 | Adys | cute |
| 16:41.39 | Industrial | ScytheBlade1: internet polls never work. never. |
| 16:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I never said public poll |
| 16:41.56 | Hirsute | Adys: Wow... is that even english? |
| 16:42.06 | Adys | it's nerdragish |
| 16:42.06 | Hirsute | It looks like english, but doesn't read like english... |
| 16:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Stick cair, kael, the MVPs, and a few others with that, and if X many of them say "close this thread" then it is closed. Not a "poll" by any means and we would almost for certain have a cleaner board |
| 16:43.01 | Industrial | LFG is the cancer that is killing /2, see what I did there? |
| 16:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Instead of 'peppey saying "we already have 2 WM threads, post there" it could /actually happen/ |
| 16:43.12 | Adys | although yeah |
| 16:43.16 | Adys | "bullshit with you being nice keep home" |
| 16:43.16 | Kraps | Adys: wbt english as a 3rd language |
| 16:43.21 | Adys | if someone could translate |
| 16:43.21 | alestane | And we would never get anything done because we would be too busy exorcising the demons of stupidity. |
| 16:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Possibly |
| 16:43.29 | Lopeppeppy | It would be nice to have duplicate threads closed like they are on General. |
| 16:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | THat's the concern |
| 16:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | *That's |
| 16:44.18 | Lunessa | alestane: We could hire Dogbert and Catbert... |
| 16:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I've just always found it stupid that for a game which gets its revenue almost exclusively through the internet, that they have such incredibly poor methods of communicating with their playerbase, and equally poor methods of allowing the playerbase to communicate with the playerbase |
| 16:44.36 | Wobin | Adys: That actually sounds kind of asian in the phrasing |
| 16:44.42 | Adys | he's english |
| 16:44.46 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474116079&sid=1 whos your favorite cm |
| 16:44.47 | Adys | very much english |
| 16:44.55 | Wobin | wow |
| 16:44.57 | Adys | just butthurt I gave him a temp warning ban |
| 16:44.59 | Wobin | he fails pretty terribly |
| 16:45.09 | Adys | wonder what language he'll speak when he finds out I increased perma |
| 16:45.20 | kamdis | lol someone on the forums called Lunessa "a saint". |
| 16:45.24 | kamdis | rofls. |
| 16:45.29 | Adys | on the forums? |
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| 16:45.39 | Adys | I call him a saint IRL |
| 16:45.40 | Lunessa | Yeah, I linked it earlier. |
| 16:45.43 | Wobin | I wonder if his father trained him to lose control of his verbal processing when he gets mad =P |
| 16:45.45 | Jamash | man I'm dumb sometimes |
| 16:45.53 | Adys | Wobin: ROFL |
| 16:45.59 | Lunessa | Wobin: XKCD style! |
| 16:46.03 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 16:46.04 | Jamash | I made the same error twice (in my error checking code no less) and fixed it in one place but not the other. |
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| 16:51.19 | Lunessa | My new forum .sig "Saint Unkle of the Blessed Macro, Keeper of the Sacred UI" |
| 16:51.49 | Antiarc | Lunessa: Aha, you're Unkle? |
| 16:51.55 | Antiarc | It makes sense now! |
| 16:51.55 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 16:52.28 | Lopeppeppy | Awesomeness, Lunessa. |
| 16:52.31 | Lunessa | When I made my IRC nick I was playing Lunessa as my main. And I stuck with it as a posting toon for a long time. |
| 16:52.54 | Industrial | oh snap, destro does hueg crits |
| 16:53.02 | alestane | Yes it does. |
| 16:53.19 | Industrial | never specced it before :p |
| 16:57.35 | Industrial | I one shot a yellow mob. |
| 16:57.39 | Industrial | o_O |
| 16:58.32 | Antiarc | http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5353-MMORPG-Examiner~y2009m4d30-The-beginning-of-the-Middle-Eastern-MMO-scene-Game-Power-7-and-Arabic-Rappelz |
| 16:58.33 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 17:00.44 | kamdis | "Wandering around in your underwear, also not okay." lol |
| 17:01.03 | Industrial | the mmo where you cant do whatever you want! |
| 17:01.34 | Wobin | Man, just like real life =P |
| 17:01.51 | Industrial | exactly :D |
| 17:02.13 | Industrial | actually, you could run around in underwear in real life too |
| 17:02.40 | kamdis | But unless you're a model, it's not really "okay" to do that. |
| 17:04.39 | Antiarc | Or wearing a swimsuit? |
| 17:05.52 | Lunessa | Pants are NOT optional. |
| 17:05.53 | theorbtwo | has often pondered an RPG that included that sort of element -- wearing revealing clothing will change the way NPCs react to you. |
| 17:06.14 | Lunessa | theorbtwo: cf Second Life |
| 17:06.29 | theorbtwo | Ah, I've not played around in there. |
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| 17:08.05 | ronghail | no need to log in to freshmeat or sourceforge |
| 17:09.53 | Antiarc | http://badmartian.blogspot.com/2009/04/jacks-note.html |
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| 17:14.56 | Legorol | About the Flame Leviathan: does anyone know what happens if you don't activate hard mode, by not speaking to Lorekeeper, but you leave some tower(s) up anyway? |
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| 17:15.18 | End | you plan on fighting him without vehicles? |
| 17:15.26 | Legorol | nono, fight with vehicles |
| 17:15.27 | Antiarc | If you talk to Brann, you can ignore towers |
| 17:15.33 | End | talking to brann or lorekeeper activates vehicles |
| 17:15.38 | Legorol | yes i know |
| 17:15.40 | End | talking to brann forces easy mode |
| 17:15.45 | Legorol | yes i know that too |
| 17:15.48 | Legorol | let me rephrase: |
| 17:15.57 | Legorol | if you started by talking to brann, hence you are in easy mode, |
| 17:16.04 | Legorol | what is the pro/con of killing/not killing towers? |
| 17:16.08 | Antiarc | None |
| 17:16.12 | End | if you talk to brann, the towers do nothing |
| 17:16.14 | Antiarc | Talking to Brann lets you skip towers |
| 17:16.16 | End | other than look purty |
| 17:16.16 | Antiarc | For a faster kill |
| 17:16.19 | End | ^ |
| 17:16.27 | Legorol | hmm |
| 17:16.31 | Legorol | so all this time we were wasting time |
| 17:16.33 | End | yes |
| 17:16.38 | Legorol | we always talked to brann first, and then killed towers |
| 17:16.43 | Legorol | but we made one observation: |
| 17:16.48 | End | we did too the first time :-/ |
| 17:16.59 | Legorol | we deliberately left the last tower up, and waited around in front of boss, not engaging the last trash group |
| 17:17.00 | End | but then the server crashed with flame leviathan at 90% |
| 17:17.05 | Legorol | we kept getting waves of helicopter adds |
| 17:17.14 | Legorol | it seemed that those waves were endless |
| 17:17.21 | Legorol | and when we did kill the last tower, it stopped |
| 17:17.45 | End | hm, I'm not sure where the helicopter adds come from exactly |
| 17:17.50 | Legorol | i can't 100% confirm this, but is it possible that towers are responsible for spawning some types of adds (in addition to the beacons) |
| 17:18.22 | End | well, the little towers spawn dwarves, of course. the helicopters might come from one on the upper platform or something |
| 17:18.34 | Legorol | yup, i know about the dwarves from the beacons |
| 17:18.44 | Legorol | could the helicopters be spawned by the towers? |
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| 17:19.14 | End | I wish I knew |
| 17:20.37 | Legorol | ok |
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| 17:22.22 | Lothaer | morning guys |
| 17:22.25 | Lothaer | and gals |
| 17:23.17 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo |
| 17:23.26 | Antiarc | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8014318.stm |
| 17:24.00 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:24.03 | Lothaer | nice name huh |
| 17:24.09 | Antiarc | Pretty pro. |
| 17:25.13 | Xinhuan | don't you have to talk to the lorekeeper to interact with the vehicles? |
| 17:25.21 | Xinhuan | they are uninteractable before that isn't it? |
| 17:25.22 | Antiarc | Lorekeeper is hardmode |
| 17:25.25 | Antiarc | Brann is easymode |
| 17:25.32 | Antiarc | Either one can activate them |
| 17:25.43 | nevcairiel | You can activate it either with brann or with the lorekeeper, but yeah, the vehicles only activate after doing that |
| 17:26.02 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 17:27.19 | Lunessa | <3 kamdis "Also more time understanding the LAW ..." |
| 17:27.32 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs kamdis |
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| 17:34.52 | Lunessa | And if you were born in the US in the last 20-ish years, chances are your SSN was issued at birth. |
| 17:35.04 | Lunessa | So it could be indexed that way as well. |
| 17:35.53 | Kraps | theorbtwo: can i ask them to request what? |
| 17:36.06 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, ask you parents to request it if you can't, for whatever reason. |
| 17:36.25 | theorbtwo | Kraps: If you can't request it because you aren't named on it, you could ask your mother to request it, since her name *is* on it. |
| 17:36.35 | Kraps | ah |
| 17:37.23 | Kraps | i was gonna get it online, but idk what would happen if i put my name in |
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| 17:38.34 | Lunessa | Yeah, contrary to popular belief, a child doesn't /have/ to be named right away/at birth. In some cultures, children aren't named for a significant period of time. |
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| 17:39.06 | Kraps | <--jewish |
| 17:39.30 | Lunessa | Kraps: So, they waited for your bris, no? |
| 17:39.37 | Kraps | yep |
| 17:40.04 | Lunessa | That's what, 3 days? 7 days? (I forget, it's been too long since I read the Torah.) |
| 17:40.16 | Kraps | heh |
| 17:40.34 | kamdis | It should have been finalized after that. I would think you'd be able to request it yourself. |
| 17:40.44 | Lunessa | Yeah. Exactly. |
| 17:40.46 | kamdis | If not, go with Peppy's advice. |
| 17:40.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, you should be fine to request it by name. |
| 17:40.51 | Kraps | 8 days, but i had complications |
| 17:41.21 | Kraps | which delayed it |
| 17:42.00 | Lunessa | I used to joke that the reason many Jewish men are anxious about parties is that the first one they attend comes with stuff getting cut off. |
| 17:42.07 | Lunessa | But that's insensitive. |
| 17:42.09 | Kraps | rofl |
| 17:45.31 | Kraps | nothing will happen if i try and it doesnt go though right? :/ |
| 17:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | What could happen? |
| 17:45.51 | theorbtwo | Kraps: They can probably find it by your name, even if you weren't yet named when it was originally filed. |
| 17:46.01 | Kraps | wont get arrested for fraud or something |
| 17:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | Um, not likely. |
| 17:46.10 | Osstia | no |
| 17:46.11 | theorbtwo | Certianly not. |
| 17:46.16 | Kraps | heh |
| 17:46.18 | kamdis | heh, no. |
| 17:46.25 | Osstia | I think the worst you could expect is them to say no |
| 17:46.28 | Lopeppeppy | They get more f'd up requests than yours every day. |
| 17:47.01 | theorbtwo | It probably doesn't matter in the slightest that you weren't named yet; they're going to give you a printout anyway. |
| 17:47.11 | kamdis | Hey guys, what's the name of that mod that records how people died? I think it begins with an A, but I'm having a memory block. |
| 17:47.19 | Lopeppeppy | Acheron? |
| 17:47.22 | kamdis | that's it |
| 17:47.24 | kamdis | :) |
| 17:47.25 | kamdis | thank you |
| 17:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think I spelt it right though. :) |
| 17:47.40 | Osstia | anyone have any recommendations for someone who is new to coding, learning Lua, but wants to get involved more with addon development? |
| 17:47.48 | Lopeppeppy | ~pil |
| 17:47.48 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 17:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 17:47.51 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 17:48.17 | Osstia | I mean more in the way of a projhec tto get involved in, or some way to contribute |
| 17:48.39 | Lopeppeppy | Osstia, just pick something you'd like to have, and try to create it. |
| 17:48.42 | Osstia | I have been writing my own addon, just to learn, and for my own use. |
| 17:49.43 | Kaelten | eek, I've been pinged! |
| 17:50.16 | Lopeppeppy | Kaelten, Kaelten, Kaelten! |
| 17:50.19 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/addons/RareMacro_1.0.zip |
| 17:50.23 | Lopeppeppy | waits for the apple-cops-a-lys |
| 17:50.37 | mikma | that one creates a macro which you can use to hunt rares in the zones |
| 17:52.46 | Kaelten | hug Lopeppeppy |
| 17:53.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, the world just ended. *happy dance* |
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| 17:57.23 | Lunessa | ... It's the end of the world as we know it? |
| 17:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | Aye. |
| 17:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | But I died with a hug, that's okay then. |
| 17:58.05 | Lunessa | Ok, that's ok then. |
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| 18:03.07 | mikma | http://www.discoverytshirts.com/marketplace/101577283/heres_your_problem_large_mug |
| 18:08.04 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS7mI3ZQr8M |
| 18:08.14 | Dashkal | I see a PTR... |
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| 18:08.20 | Dashkal | (forums) |
| 18:09.32 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/04/devil_worshipping_mega_fail_th.php |
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| 18:11.13 | Shaone | Anyone with experience fetching Armory data via cURL? I'm having a character encoding problem |
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| 18:15.04 | Dashkal | For those following, here are the new argent tourney mount models: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/argent-tournament-mounts.html |
| 18:15.06 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/must-be-one-of-them-transdimensional-cameras/1332 |
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| 18:18.11 | Lunessa | Those new mounts look nice. It means I'm finally going to have to learn to beat the challengers in the tourney. |
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| 18:18.39 | Lopeppeppy | I saw a post about that recently, seemed like a good guide. |
| 18:19.39 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:19.48 | Shirik | bankofamerica is telling me to refinance |
| 18:19.50 | Lopeppeppy | pounces on Shirik. |
| 18:19.51 | Legorol | we have some confusion in our guild with Demolishers on Leviathan: how many passenger seats does it have? |
| 18:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | Refinance what? |
| 18:19.58 | Shirik | good question |
| 18:19.59 | durcyn | Legorol: One. |
| 18:20.03 | Shirik | I don't think I have anything to refinance |
| 18:20.06 | Legorol | wowwiki claims there are 2 passenger spots, but people report only 1 passenger seat |
| 18:20.09 | durcyn | Legorol: the left seat is occupied by an NPC |
| 18:20.18 | Legorol | any way to eject him? |
| 18:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I get crap about the warranty on my car all the time. It has no warrantee, hasn't had for years. |
| 18:20.22 | durcyn | No. |
| 18:20.26 | Legorol | ok |
| 18:20.47 | Shirik | However, I /did/ just realize that they've increased the interest rate on my credit card |
| 18:20.51 | Shirik | to 30% |
| 18:20.57 | Shirik | that's a bit excessive |
| 18:21.01 | Osstia | a bit? |
| 18:21.09 | NeoTron | holy hell |
| 18:21.16 | NeoTron | hope you don't have a significant balance |
| 18:21.22 | Shirik | not anymore :) |
| 18:21.25 | Shirik | I just cut it in half |
| 18:21.46 | NeoTron | we got some nice cases where they lowered available credit by a factor 10-20 |
| 18:21.57 | NeoTron | so w/o using actual numbers, going from 2000 to 100 |
| 18:22.00 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously, Shirik, you're lucky you read that, most people don't and just pay the higher rates. |
| 18:22.24 | NeoTron | didn't have a balance on the card in question but it was a rather bizarre change |
| 18:22.24 | Shirik | I wouldn't have looked, Lopeppeppy, except I was wondering why my balance is going down and my minimum payment almost doubled |
| 18:22.48 | Lopeppeppy | This is why they have bills in congress to curb what those bastards can do. |
| 18:23.11 | Kraps | Your credit score ranks higher than 49% of the nation's population. thats...good right? |
| 18:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. |
| 18:23.33 | Lopeppeppy | DILLIGAFF. |
| 18:23.58 | Kraps | ? |
| 18:24.27 | Lopeppeppy | Do I Look Like I Give a Flying F**k. |
| 18:24.46 | Kraps | ... |
| 18:24.48 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy gently |
| 18:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you need a cookie. |
| 18:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | I does, ScytheBlade1. |
| 18:25.05 | sacarasc | Kraps: No, it's below average! |
| 18:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | I never do well on Thursdays, I'm sorry. |
| 18:25.23 | Shirik | sacarasc: Careful, that's not necessarily true |
| 18:25.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd mail you a cookie, but I wouldn't trust a mailed cookie myself |
| 18:25.29 | Shirik | It's below the 50th percentile |
| 18:25.31 | Kraps | sacarasc: lies |
| 18:25.35 | Kraps | ! |
| 18:25.40 | sacarasc | Mode is an average type. |
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| 18:26.02 | Shirik | most people think arithmetic mean when they say average :P |
| 18:26.26 | Kraps | http://www.creditscoring.com/pages/bar.htm says no :) |
| 18:26.27 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, I mail cookies all the time, you just have to freeze them first, and then mail them priority. |
| 18:26.39 | Shirik | I'll mail cookies to Lopeppeppy |
| 18:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, good to know |
| 18:26.43 | Shirik | but she wouldn't trust me with her address |
| 18:26.52 | Kraps | Fair Isaac: "The Median FICO Score in the U.S. is 723." |
| 18:27.03 | durcyn | don't lie, you'd mail yourself to peppy. |
| 18:27.15 | Shirik | Well I'd bring cookies at least |
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| 18:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I'm moving in 2 months, what do I care? :P |
| 18:28.02 | Kraps | i'm a teeny bit below B grade :/ |
| 18:28.32 | Shirik | my credit score is horrible, tbh |
| 18:28.37 | Shirik | simply because I don't have credit |
| 18:28.48 | Lopeppeppy | Same here, 10 years with the bills in someone else's name. |
| 18:28.50 | Shirik | I'm fairly convinced that's why they were all "lol 30% gogo" |
| 18:29.13 | Kraps | so get a card Shirik |
| 18:29.17 | Shirik | I have a card |
| 18:29.18 | Shirik | one card |
| 18:29.21 | Shirik | which is why it's at 30% |
| 18:29.45 | Lopeppeppy | And he just cut it in half because 30% is ridiculous |
| 18:29.47 | Shirik | I considered getting a new card and transferring it there, but I REALLY don't want to go down that hole |
| 18:29.48 | Kraps | hmm |
| 18:30.03 | Kraps | are you in debt? |
| 18:30.12 | Shirik | what do you mean by "in debt" |
| 18:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | He's a student, so chances are good |
| 18:30.21 | Shirik | I do have a balance, yes, but it's not unmanagable |
| 18:30.31 | Lunessa | Shirik: The best way to improve your credit isn't with getting cards. It's things like leases, and paying your bills. |
| 18:30.40 | Shirik | Lunessa: None of which I can do right now :) |
| 18:30.53 | Kraps | i mean late fees kind of debt |
| 18:30.59 | Shirik | no Kraps |
| 18:31.10 | Lunessa | You need a job to geif you monies. |
| 18:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | Or get one of your parents to put one of their household bills in your name. :) |
| 18:32.14 | Shirik | ha |
| 18:32.55 | Shirik | My car actually just got paid off |
| 18:33.02 | Shirik | so I might be trading it in for a new one |
| 18:33.10 | Lopeppeppy | No lie, a lot of parents of students in college do that. My roomie had a credit card for gas that her parents paid, but which was in her name. Credit for 4 years, building happily. |
| 18:33.16 | Kraps | i have my parents car in my name which i pay for. dads gonna pay me back *cough cough* |
| 18:33.29 | Shirik | My car gets like 8 mpg |
| 18:33.34 | Shirik | gas is killing me |
| 18:33.56 | Tierrie | only drive downhill |
| 18:33.59 | Tierrie | next problem! |
| 18:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, Shirik. /comfort |
| 18:34.06 | Shirik | omg distinct lack of site working |
| 18:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | Trade that bastich in right quick. |
| 18:34.12 | Shirik | why do all these links have to be javascript |
| 18:34.22 | Kraps | how is that possible? |
| 18:34.41 | Kraps | 8 mpg |
| 18:34.46 | Shirik | that's an awesome question |
| 18:35.04 | Tierrie | he currently drives a 1988 hummer with mountain m1 cannon |
| 18:35.07 | Tierrie | or a tank |
| 18:35.16 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:35.18 | Lunessa | Kraps: My Dodge pickup truck used to get about 10-12. :( |
| 18:35.29 | Shirik | hum |
| 18:35.32 | Shirik | This is odd |
| 18:35.43 | Shirik | $25000 identity theft insurance ...... not available in NY |
| 18:35.46 | Shirik | what's so special about NY? |
| 18:35.57 | Tierrie | its a losing industry for the insurance companies |
| 18:35.58 | Kraps | WE ROX0RZ |
| 18:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | NY has some strict insurance laws to prevent fraud and stuff. |
| 18:36.49 | Kraps | wow is DRW worth is now for DKs? |
| 18:37.00 | Kraps | worth it * |
| 18:37.08 | Adys | Could someone explain me this |
| 18:37.09 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.14 | Kirov | In NY if you commit fraud you can't drink lattes for a year. Pretty much stopped fraud cold since then. |
| 18:37.20 | Shirik | Adys: What's to explain? |
| 18:37.23 | durcyn | Adys: sorry, i logged in 9 times, i'll stop |
| 18:37.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: explain what? |
| 18:37.24 | Adys | I'm the only user online and alsa&co arent supposed to show |
| 18:37.27 | Kraps | Kirov: lol |
| 18:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | run `w` |
| 18:37.37 | Shirik | How are your services running? |
| 18:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | See what comes up |
| 18:38.06 | durcyn | w or who, yeah |
| 18:38.19 | durcyn | multiple logins from the same user = multiple users in uptime |
| 18:38.29 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d2d299386 |
| 18:38.30 | Adys | the hell |
| 18:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | w probably gives him the info he wants, namely, what is running |
| 18:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That answers that |
| 18:38.59 | durcyn | are your gnome-terminals running login sessions? |
| 18:39.06 | Adys | no |
| 18:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | You've got a login on the first VT and then a bunch of shells |
| 18:39.17 | durcyn | are you sure? :) |
| 18:39.21 | Adys | yes |
| 18:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | your system disagrees |
| 18:39.32 | Shirik | Problem 1: Gnome is running |
| 18:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:39.54 | Shirik | Recommend sysrq+alt+b |
| 18:40.44 | Adys | reboot time anyway, got too much stuff waiting update |
| 18:41.15 | Shirik | Gentoo knows what's up |
| 18:41.18 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/113358 |
| 18:41.43 | Lopeppeppy | logs out before she can be caught! |
| 18:41.47 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, impressive |
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| 18:42.15 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, curses, foiled again. |
| 18:42.16 | Shirik | I r type fasterer |
| 18:43.14 | Shirik | If you go out of your mind, do it quietly, so as not to disturb those around you. |
| 18:43.14 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ |
| 18:43.38 | Lopeppeppy | Um. No. RAWR! I r loud!! |
| 18:43.53 | Shirik | thinks Lopeppeppy needs lots of huggles |
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| 18:45.02 | Adys | so fast <3 |
| 18:45.23 | Lopeppeppy | I do, Shirk. Thursdays are evil days for me. |
| 18:45.31 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:45.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks. |
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| 18:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | have you ever typed a word so often that you start to think it looks funny, and must be spelled wrong? |
| 18:49.53 | Syzgyn | God yes |
| 18:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | exposure |
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| 18:50.43 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: How about Shirk |
| 18:51.04 | Syzgyn | I've done it with some pretty simple words too :( |
| 18:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Exposure |
| 18:52.07 | mikma | Anyone here has any experience with Qtip? :P |
| 18:52.43 | Syzgyn | So apparently, the most popular part about Urban Achiever pre-3.1 was the custom tracker for achievements |
| 18:53.00 | Syzgyn | and with 3.1, I moved it into blizzards tracker, because it's awesome |
| 18:53.09 | Syzgyn | and now people are crying |
| 18:53.21 | nevcairiel | people always cry |
| 18:53.25 | Lopeppeppy | cries. She hadn't found that change yet. |
| 18:53.31 | nevcairiel | if you wouldn't have done it, they would come and suggest it |
| 18:53.32 | Lopeppeppy | I don't use the Bliz tracker, sad to be me. |
| 18:53.42 | Syzgyn | give Lopeppeppy a quarter |
| 18:53.52 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, i'll call someone who cares. :P |
| 18:54.00 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 18:54.19 | Syzgyn | the blizz one does everything mine did, and then some |
| 18:54.45 | Syzgyn | but apparently its hard to use or something |
| 18:54.46 | Syzgyn | I dunno |
| 18:55.01 | Lopeppeppy | I guess I'll have to check it out, reluctantly. I didn't like it when I attempted it though. |
| 18:55.07 | Jamash | blizz quest tracker has quest items in it, which is awesome |
| 18:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | The controls to resize and move it aren't intuitive. |
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| 18:55.17 | Syzgyn | I'll agree there |
| 18:55.21 | Syzgyn | but you only have to move it once |
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| 18:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | Oh? You're less fussy than I am, Syzgyn. |
| 18:55.43 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 18:56.15 | Syzgyn | I added a script to alt-click to remove stuff from it, and it's so nice now |
| 18:58.22 | zenzelezz | votes for the immediate extermination of all birch trees |
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| 18:58.30 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph? |
| 18:58.35 | zenzelezz | pollen |
| 18:59.00 | Syzgyn | I park my car under pine trees |
| 18:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, the pollen counts here are through the roof, it hasn't rained in almost a week. |
| 18:59.24 | Lopeppeppy | But I see it is raining now, I can enjoy cleaner air when I leave work. |
| 18:59.32 | zenzelezz | it rained here this weekend, but it's still horrible |
| 18:59.33 | nevcairiel | I have a black car, its not so black anymore right now <.< |
| 18:59.41 | Syzgyn | my car went from red to orange a few weeks ago :P |
| 18:59.54 | zenzelezz | went to work today, sat staring at the monitor for an hour and went back home |
| 18:59.58 | nevcairiel | tbh, i washed it today, so its fine for a few days now |
| 19:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is blue, some mornings it looks green from pollen. |
| 19:00.27 | Lopeppeppy | I take serious amounts of allergy meds already due to my cat. I can't really take any extra for the seasonal stuff. |
| 19:01.12 | Syzgyn | that sucks |
| 19:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | Couldn't be sane without my kitty, I'll suck up the allergy season if I have to. |
| 19:01.29 | nevcairiel | You're one of those allergic to everything people? |
| 19:01.48 | foxlit | I'm allergic to allergies. |
| 19:01.54 | foxlit | ~rimshot |
| 19:01.55 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 19:03.06 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, almost. No food allergies, just environmental. Pollen, dust, perfumes, dyes, etc. |
| 19:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | A few medicines, including one that no one had ever been allergic to before... :) |
| 19:03.43 | kd3 | ho |
| 19:03.46 | kd3 | PTR already out |
| 19:03.48 | kd3 | premades too |
| 19:03.52 | kd3 | cowers in fear |
| 19:03.58 | nevcairiel | patch avail? |
| 19:04.02 | nevcairiel | waits for diff |
| 19:04.03 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 19:04.11 | kd3 | sec. poking around now |
| 19:05.17 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 19:05.22 | nevcairiel | _only_ premades for EU |
| 19:05.24 | nevcairiel | thats weird |
| 19:05.36 | kd3 | premades for US too. it's in our sticky |
| 19:05.40 | durcyn | what's there even to test, just new argent tournament stuff and equipment manager? |
| 19:05.40 | nevcairiel | oh wait, the button is red, but the count is 0 |
| 19:05.49 | nevcairiel | who knows, durcyn |
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| 19:06.01 | durcyn | i don't, 's why i asked =P |
| 19:06.22 | nevcairiel | maybe they finished the new battleground |
| 19:06.24 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 19:06.24 | nevcairiel | shrug |
| 19:06.35 | kd3 | looks like it's only premades? |
| 19:06.38 | kd3 | can't copy my toon |
| 19:06.41 | Dashkal | I was expecting that addition in 3.2 |
| 19:06.48 | Antiarc | wtf, wait, what? |
| 19:06.50 | Antiarc | PTR is up? |
| 19:06.55 | Aelobin | ok someone tell me theres GOT to be an addon that stops the popups appearing whilst in a BG |
| 19:07.00 | nevcairiel | i don't think its really up yet |
| 19:07.00 | Aelobin | like "enter arathi now" popups |
| 19:07.15 | kd3 | I just logged in |
| 19:07.18 | kd3 | >.> |
| 19:07.24 | kd3 | my premade's already there |
| 19:07.25 | nevcairiel | with a new patch? |
| 19:07.32 | kd3 | neg. 0.1.0.9767 |
| 19:07.34 | nevcairiel | stupid EU is slow |
| 19:07.35 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:07.37 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 19:07.43 | Fisker- | nah |
| 19:07.55 | durcyn | 9767 while live is on 9835? phbpbpt. |
| 19:07.56 | Fisker- | EU will put the PTR up in a couple of years |
| 19:08.27 | nevcairiel | the PTR is still on the 3.1-release version, they never upped it |
| 19:08.30 | Fisker- | The character copy queue is currently full. |
| 19:08.36 | Fisker- | Copies Remaining: 4 |
| 19:08.36 | Fisker- | Average Wait Time: 1 hour |
| 19:08.38 | Fisker- | hurr |
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| 19:09.22 | nevcairiel | they probably disabeld it for now |
| 19:09.39 | Dashkal | According to http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/16473976173-ptr-info--faqs.html the ptr build is 9855 |
| 19:09.41 | Antiarc | 3.0.1.8874 is the download available on the US site |
| 19:09.41 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 19:09.53 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.55 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 19:10.00 | nevcairiel | the download never changes, Antiarc |
| 19:10.03 | nevcairiel | they just add new patches |
| 19:10.09 | nevcairiel | new system for 3.x etc :) |
| 19:10.10 | Adys | kd3: not for long! |
| 19:10.11 | Syzgyn | I'd log on if I hadn't deleted my PTR install after 3.1 hit |
| 19:10.17 | Antiarc | Ah, okay. |
| 19:10.26 | Syzgyn | Also: http://www.gunaxin.com/mr-t-ate-my-jury/19081 |
| 19:10.56 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474116333&sid=1 |
| 19:11.02 | kamdis | Antiarc: your edit to your post directed at that dumb warrior cracked my up. |
| 19:11.16 | Antiarc | :D |
| 19:12.02 | Antiarc | How many of those do you think are idiots, and how many are WM shills? |
| 19:12.04 | kd3 | hm... it's definately for pvp testing. I'm equipped with gladiator gear, 450 JC and a bag full of enchant scrolls |
| 19:12.11 | Adys | kd3: thats interesting |
| 19:12.12 | Antiarc | (not that there is much distinction between the two) |
| 19:12.19 | Adys | with my bnet US acc I get the patch |
| 19:12.33 | Adys | without, I dont |
| 19:12.40 | kd3 | hm |
| 19:12.42 | Antiarc | VENN DIAGRAM: ( ( idiots - WM trolls ) ) |
| 19:12.58 | kd3 | ah, indeed |
| 19:13.01 | kd3 | that's nifty |
| 19:13.40 | kd3 | egah |
| 19:13.41 | kd3 | 991MB |
| 19:13.47 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 19:13.48 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 19:13.52 | nevcairiel | whats in there? |
| 19:13.57 | kd3 | it's going from 3.0.1 to 0.1.2 |
| 19:14.01 | nevcairiel | ah. |
| 19:14.03 | nevcairiel | bah |
| 19:14.22 | Lunessa | WM Shills = mayber 5% the rest = idiots. |
| 19:14.35 | Lopeppeppy | But the shills make our lives hell. |
| 19:16.21 | Dashkal | Just making an observation (I would hope my opinion of WM is very clear). Supports us: 'Supporters'. Supports them: 'Shills' |
| 19:16.23 | Fisker- | why does blizzard fail so? |
| 19:16.29 | Fisker- | "Download the US PTR client:" |
| 19:16.32 | Fisker- | on the eu ptr site |
| 19:16.32 | Fisker- | :E |
| 19:16.39 | kd3 | wha? it's not on the mirrors? |
| 19:17.00 | zenzelezz | Fisker-: because the Europeans are trying to get rid of you |
| 19:17.00 | nevcairiel | you must be on the wrong site Fisker-, i see EU PTR client: :p |
| 19:18.21 | Fisker- | wi don't have an us account |
| 19:18.26 | Fisker- | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a951ee58a60e6ad253de758a6bd33b85.jpg |
| 19:19.41 | nevcairiel | says EU for me |
| 19:20.00 | Lunessa | Dashkal: "Shill" means someone planted in the audience to push a particular pov. Usually with underhanded intentions. I don't think "user=Shill" - I think "Someone posting to start trouble on behalf of WM = Shill" |
| 19:20.44 | Dashkal | Lunessa: I could quite happily agree with your definition. Doesn't seem to match how the word is used, though |
| 19:20.45 | Antiarc | "And likewise, the code that Curse provides accesses a Blizzard service (the game client). " |
| 19:20.47 | Antiarc | ROFL. |
| 19:20.52 | Antiarc | R. O. F. L. |
| 19:20.58 | kd3 | wtf |
| 19:20.59 | Lunessa | I'm using Shill in the real meaning. :) |
| 19:21.24 | Dashkal | Sure it does! It reads wow.exe! (Or, you know, checks for it so it knows it's installing to the right spot, but whatever right?) |
| 19:21.34 | Lopeppeppy | Curse does no such thing. *rofl* |
| 19:23.39 | Torhal | Do they make idiot bullets? |
| 19:23.49 | Antiarc | I am laughing my HEAD off. |
| 19:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | I wish, so they could home in on the asshats. *giggle* |
| 19:23.57 | ScytheBlade1 | unrelated: http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu137/entroper01/image001.jpg |
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| 19:25.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I loved that when it showed on Failblog. |
| 19:27.15 | Lunessa | SBO - Fail, or glorious Win? YOU MAKE THE CALL! |
| 19:27.24 | ckknight | does Iriel come on IRC? |
| 19:27.35 | Lunessa | All the time. |
| 19:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: "an honest effort" x72 |
| 19:28.21 | Lunessa | See, Glorious WIN! |
| 19:29.09 | ckknight | Lunessa: then why isn't he on now? |
| 19:29.09 | ckknight | :P |
| 19:29.12 | ckknight | ~seen Iriel |
| 19:29.17 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15h 15m 11s ago, saying: 'Shirik: Yes'. |
| 19:30.02 | mikma | torhal: ping! |
| 19:30.33 | Lunessa | ckknight: This is one of those cases where Beauty !=Truth /shrug |
| 19:30.43 | ckknight | Beauty = Ur mom |
| 19:30.45 | ckknight | last night |
| 19:30.45 | ckknight | in bed |
| 19:30.49 | ckknight | (truth) |
| 19:30.53 | mikma | great imagination |
| 19:30.54 | Kirov | 72 times? |
| 19:31.37 | Torhal | mikma: pong! |
| 19:32.01 | mikma | torhal: you must have some idea how can i do clickable tooltip with Qtip |
| 19:32.16 | mikma | torhal: meaning to replace default DropDown with Qtip |
| 19:33.00 | Torhal | mikma: Look at QTipClick. I'm not saying to use it, since I never really intended for a proof-of-concept to be used, but many people do. WHat I am saying is, the key lies therein. :) |
| 19:33.23 | mikma | torhal: ah, right. it needs that one too |
| 19:34.30 | Fisker- | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-tlA2PL26w4Y4IEdj/ <-lol 12:30 |
| 19:34.53 | Lunessa | ckknight: I hope you paid her well. The rent's due. |
| 19:35.05 | ckknight | just the standard fee, Lunessa |
| 19:35.11 | Lunessa | That'll do. |
| 19:35.34 | augustl | can Pitbull 4 hide the blizz buff frames? |
| 19:35.47 | augustl | the ones Pitbull 4 adds to the unit frames are sufficient |
| 19:36.02 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think that's in the scope of Pitbull, augustl. But I'm nto sure. |
| 19:36.02 | augustl | nvm, found it (the Hide Blizzard Frames module) |
| 19:36.16 | Lopeppeppy | There ya go! *cheers* |
| 19:36.22 | Lunessa | Antiarc: LAWL "You could go torrent a movie or something to make yourself feel better, though." |
| 19:36.27 | Torhal | mikma: If you're using this for an LDB tooltip, you should read this: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libqtipclick-1-0/pages/ldb-data-object-usage/ |
| 19:36.31 | ckknight | augustl: yes, it does by default |
| 19:36.37 | augustl | ckknight: hmm, it didn't here |
| 19:36.43 | ckknight | augustl: I blame gnomes. |
| 19:36.47 | ckknight | augustl: also, any errors? |
| 19:36.52 | alestane | I really wish the forums had an "Ignore Thread" option the way they have an "Ignore this user" option. |
| 19:36.52 | augustl | ckknight: nope! |
| 19:36.54 | Lopeppeppy | punts ckknight. |
| 19:36.58 | augustl | ckknight: much awesomer than 3, gj |
| 19:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | I hear you, alestane. |
| 19:37.08 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: sorry, not a gnome |
| 19:37.46 | mikma | torhal: LDB yeah, i don't like the current DropDown i'm using in Ribbon :P |
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| 19:41.30 | Antiarc | I'm a pro debater. It's true. |
| 19:41.37 | Antiarc | Post 165 is a masterwork. |
| 19:41.51 | Ackis | Antiarc: you are a master debator |
| 19:41.54 | durcyn | what huh give link |
| 19:42.01 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474246018&sid=1&pageNo=9 |
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| 19:44.27 | Torhal | How the hell do you even find these trolls? |
| 19:44.36 | Antiarc | They're pretty good at finding us, really. |
| 19:44.42 | Torhal | I only visit the o.forums when someone links them because the navigation is so bad there. |
| 19:45.13 | Antiarc | Nav isn't bad. Search blows though. |
| 19:46.08 | Torhal | Yah, search is terrible. |
| 19:49.05 | Fisker- | fuck it |
| 19:49.08 | Fisker- | i taunted auriaya |
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| 19:52.09 | augustl | uh, what's the name of that meta-addon that adds a zillion bar textures to Ace addons? |
| 19:52.57 | augustl | fonts too, as far as I remember |
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| 19:53.14 | airtonix | sharedMedia |
| 19:53.22 | augustl | tnx |
| 19:53.25 | airtonix | sharedMedia-AdditionalFonts |
| 19:54.15 | airtonix | it's also pretty easy to include your own fonts with sharedmedia too |
| 19:54.20 | airtonix | textures etc |
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| 20:03.50 | Antiarc | Man |
| 20:04.03 | Antiarc | I'm halfway tempted to write an SCT mod to use the 3.1 animation system |
| 20:06.08 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:07.29 | Spellbinder | why is that? |
| 20:07.39 | Antiarc | -because I can- |
| 20:07.49 | Antiarc | It's new and shiny and I like playing with new shinies. |
| 20:07.53 | Spellbinder | i would if i could |
| 20:08.12 | Kirov | it'd be alot faster too |
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| 20:08.41 | Spellbinder | probably not i would have to learn first |
| 20:08.51 | Spellbinder | now ask me what i am doing here |
| 20:09.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm heading home soon, y'all stay good. |
| 20:09.29 | Antiarc | wtf y r u heer |
| 20:09.36 | Antiarc | Seeya peppy. |
| 20:09.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cya |
| 20:09.58 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 20:09.58 | Spellbinder | in case of that i want to learn |
| 20:09.59 | Spellbinder | this is a good start i think |
| 20:10.00 | Antiarc | Yay! |
| 20:10.02 | Antiarc | Learning is good. |
| 20:10.04 | Dashkal | "stay good"... I think I fail to meet the basic assumption there... |
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| 20:11.30 | Antiarc | The automagical changeonator needs more users >:[ |
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| 20:13.42 | NightHawkTheSane | It automagically changonated me into a newt! |
| 20:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | whozawhatizts? |
| 20:14.05 | Antiarc | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/automagical-changeonator.aspx |
| 20:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey that's a pretty darn good idea |
| 20:14.54 | Fisker- | i love you Antiarc |
| 20:15.00 | Fisker- | but you should just have made it a plugin for closetgnome |
| 20:15.00 | Spellbinder | hey i have a wierd question, i want to see in a fast way if my bro is playing, just like steam or sum, just see he is online!?!? |
| 20:15.11 | Antiarc | Fisker-: I was going to but then I realized a CG plugin was stupid |
| 20:15.14 | Antiarc | So I just made that. |
| 20:15.18 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 20:15.22 | Fisker- | but i prefer it |
| 20:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Spellbinder: there isn't one, aside from logging in and checking the server he most likely is playing on |
| 20:16.43 | Spellbinder | ScytheBlade1 thx, i know which it is, same as me, but i'm thinking without logging in to wow |
| 20:17.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing exists to do that |
| 20:17.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It is simply not possible |
| 20:17.33 | Spellbinder | :( |
| 20:17.44 | Spellbinder | but thx anyway for reply |
| 20:18.54 | augustl | is there any explanation of this UI around? http://wow.kazie.dk/ui/kzuiminiv5/kazieui_v5_mini.jpg |
| 20:19.02 | augustl | the minimap stuff is foxy |
| 20:20.38 | Spellbinder | i ust heard xfire does it |
| 20:20.57 | Spellbinder | if any one else wants to know |
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| 20:22.21 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:23.28 | Shirik | graduation really sucks |
| 20:23.45 | Antiarc | That's not sexymap, but sexymap could do a map like that pretty easily |
| 20:24.01 | Shirik | I'm staying because I'm getting a master's but it's like every day I meet someone and have to say goodbye now |
| 20:24.08 | Shirik | since they're graduating |
| 20:24.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:24.34 | Shirik | And I just downloaded the course catalog for my school |
| 20:24.39 | Shirik | Right at the top "Academic Calender" |
| 20:24.48 | Shirik | I definitely feel confident about my education now |
| 20:24.50 | geargrind | exit |
| 20:24.57 | geargrind | err |
| 20:25.00 | geargrind | <.< |
| 20:25.01 | geargrind | >.> |
| 20:26.03 | Thunder_Child | welcome to UNDERMOUNTIAN! |
| 20:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | If you've got some time to kill... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/penny-arcade-tv |
| 20:27.04 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Drawing tomorrow's comic now |
| 20:27.08 | Shirik | pokes Thunder_Child |
| 20:27.33 | Shirik | that's awesome ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really kinda fun to watch it |
| 20:28.24 | Shirik | Ok, so 6 graduate credits is full time |
| 20:28.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it's a DnD setting a friend made. thoe thing is about screwing with you. eg. you go up 2 floors and end up a floor beneath where you started. your comment reminded me of that |
| 20:28.34 | Shirik | 12 undergraduate credits is full time |
| 20:28.39 | Thunder_Child | s/thoe/the/ |
| 20:28.42 | Shirik | Do you think I can do 6 graduate + 6 undergrad without dying? |
| 20:29.04 | Thunder_Child | dont you want school to be fun? |
| 20:29.16 | Shirik | well I really have to finish up these undergrad credits |
| 20:29.24 | Shirik | however, I get 6 graduate credits for free every semester |
| 20:29.28 | Shirik | so.. |
| 20:29.31 | Shirik | I want to use that |
| 20:31.16 | theorbtwo | Shirik: being overloaded too much will make you go crazy. |
| 20:31.55 | Adys | they're buffing food |
| 20:31.56 | Adys | in 3.1.2 |
| 20:32.21 | Shirik | .... |
| 20:32.31 | Shirik | So I plug into our online registration |
| 20:32.43 | Shirik | Search for: 09/FA Software Engineering |
| 20:32.53 | Shirik | "No classes meeting the search criteria have been found." |
| 20:33.00 | Shirik | I guess my whole program has been dropped |
| 20:33.01 | Shirik | pz |
| 20:33.15 | Shirik | oh, I have to fill in the location field |
| 20:33.24 | Shirik | So obviously, the correct error message is not "You must fill in the 'Location' field" |
| 20:33.28 | Shirik | it's "No classes have been found" |
| 20:33.44 | durcyn | Adys: huh |
| 20:33.56 | Adys | they're buffing food in 3.1.2 |
| 20:34.11 | Fisker- | in what way? |
| 20:34.13 | tekkub | oh? |
| 20:34.13 | durcyn | yeah, i got that much. details? :( |
| 20:34.29 | Adys | 13200 health over 30 sec => 18480 health over 30 sec |
| 20:34.30 | Fisker- | persists through death? |
| 20:34.32 | Fisker- | aw |
| 20:34.35 | Adys | 9180 mana over 30 sec => 12840 mana over 30 sec |
| 20:34.43 | Adys | 12960 mana over 30 sec => Restores 19200 mana over 30 sec |
| 20:34.43 | Fisker- | pretty nice though |
| 20:34.43 | Adys | etc |
| 20:34.47 | Fisker- | especially for hp |
| 20:34.48 | durcyn | oh, i thought you meant well fed buffs. whatever. |
| 20:34.54 | Adys | and 15000 => 22500 hp |
| 20:35.17 | tekkub | so I get to change *every* value in buffet, huzzah... |
| 20:35.36 | Fisker- | make a script to increase all values by 50% :P |
| 20:36.46 | tekkub | actually I think I wrote a miner script |
| 20:36.49 | tekkub | so I can just use that |
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| 20:40.36 | Osstia | Whats your Masters in Shirik? |
| 20:41.26 | Shirik | software engineering |
| 20:42.03 | Antiarc | "Just because a drug dealer also gives away canned food does not change the fact that he sells drugs. He's still in violation of the law for selling drugs." |
| 20:42.10 | Osstia | I really need to get back to school |
| 20:42.33 | Lunessa | I feel the need for "reductio ad absurdum" for Steeljaw |
| 20:42.34 | Shirik | B.S. of Computer Engineering w/ Master's of Software Engineering |
| 20:42.36 | Spellbinder | duh |
| 20:42.39 | Shirik | is fun combination |
| 20:42.45 | Osstia | Nice |
| 20:42.54 | Spellbinder | whatabout the ones selling nicotin and coffe and such? |
| 20:43.06 | mikma | anyone knows some piece of code that has SmartPositioning for DropDown -tooltip? |
| 20:43.35 | Shirik | ok I figured ito ut |
| 20:43.46 | Shirik | 6 grad credits w/ 4 undergrad credits |
| 20:43.48 | mikma | the current problem is that the tooltip goes to bottomright, i want it to be docked next to the DropDown :P |
| 20:43.48 | Shirik | that'll be doable |
| 20:45.06 | foxlit | "engineering" urgh! |
| 20:46.09 | Shirik | what's wrong with engineering :( |
| 20:46.19 | Dashkal | Woot: Improved Death Strike: This talent now also increases the healing from Death Strike by 25/50% |
| 20:46.34 | Dashkal | Felt very odd having our signature strike do the most healing as unholy |
| 20:46.43 | foxlit | Shirik: It's almost as if you want to be useful! |
| 20:47.07 | Shirik | :P |
| 20:47.33 | Thunder_Child | i want to go learn EE and ME just for fun |
| 20:47.59 | Jamash | I like software |
| 20:48.06 | Dashkal | Also woot: Blood Boil: If no target is available for Blood Boil to hit, the spell will now cast and consume a blood rune but generate no runic power. |
| 20:48.10 | Dashkal | that was bloddy cheap |
| 20:48.25 | Shirik | EE is fun |
| 20:48.27 | Shirik | I can't stand ME |
| 20:48.34 | Shirik | well, specifically, I can't stand the people |
| 20:48.41 | Tem | Dashkal, that a hotfix? |
| 20:48.42 | Shirik | and I have to work with them for the next 2 years :( |
| 20:48.43 | theorbtwo | Dashkal: They don't want you to just spam buttons, they want you to think. |
| 20:48.44 | Thunder_Child | they work together rather well |
| 20:48.49 | Dashkal | Tem: PTR patch notes |
| 20:48.53 | Thunder_Child | oh..the people? |
| 20:48.57 | Tem | ah |
| 20:48.57 | Thunder_Child | thats rather odd |
| 20:49.01 | Dashkal | theorbtwo: I very much agree with the change. I found that cheap as hell |
| 20:49.09 | Tem | I like that change to imp DS |
| 20:49.56 | theorbtwo | Dashkal: Ooooh, I misinterpreted completely. |
| 20:49.58 | Tem | not that I'll really go blood |
| 20:50.08 | Tem | deep frost for life |
| 20:50.09 | Dashkal | I'm just sad they went the route they did. Not sure how I feel about DS being the blood signature strike. I still wish Oblit didn't remove diseases baseline, was nerfed a bit, left on MoM, and was seriously buffed in deep frost |
| 20:50.36 | Dashkal | I _really_ don't want to have to pay a healing tax on my primary FU strike |
| 20:50.37 | Tem | meh |
| 20:51.03 | Tem | I'm considering a blood tank build mostly BECAUSE of that healing |
| 20:51.13 | Tem | also, WotN is OP |
| 20:51.20 | Dashkal | Deep frost for tanking (not like I have much choice, deep blood has no mitigation). Blood for DPS (i'm close behind the unholy, good enough) |
| 20:51.40 | Dashkal | I'd trade WotN for a pure mitigation instantly. I'm squishy as all hell as blood |
| 20:51.50 | Dashkal | And I did. I'm frost, not blood when tanking |
| 20:51.52 | Tem | we don't have a pure mitigation talent in deep frost |
| 20:52.01 | Dashkal | Mid frost you do |
| 20:52.05 | Tem | that's avoidance, sir |
| 20:52.14 | Tem | the difference is important |
| 20:52.18 | Dashkal | sec |
| 20:52.24 | Dashkal | Improved FP |
| 20:52.42 | Dashkal | UA |
| 20:52.56 | Tem | eh yeah I forgot about FrP |
| 20:53.06 | Tem | it's so tiny that I don't think about it |
| 20:53.13 | Dashkal | I notice the difference in my health bar |
| 20:53.17 | Dashkal | and my healers definitely notice |
| 20:53.32 | kd3 | grr |
| 20:53.34 | Dashkal | Blood's mitigation kicks in bigtime when I'm near death, but when above 35%, I'm pretty squish |
| 20:53.37 | Tem | UA is WORTHLESS in ulduar |
| 20:53.42 | kd3 | where are you wow mirrors? |
| 20:53.49 | kd3 | pokes random IP addresses |
| 20:54.12 | Dashkal | I wouldn't know. Ulduar is not a place I can tank (I'm tank offspec, my gear is nowhere near up to that) |
| 20:54.29 | Tem | all of the bosses hit like trucks |
| 20:54.31 | Dashkal | For ulduar we have two warrior tanks |
| 20:54.50 | Dashkal | Which is unlikely to change. We don't have any on-spec tanks that aren't warriors |
| 20:55.35 | Dashkal | Two DKs and a paladin offspec tank. Not a single 80 druid in the raiding roster. |
| 20:55.45 | Tem | how do you get away with just 2 tanks? |
| 20:55.56 | Dashkal | 10 man |
| 20:55.57 | Fisker- | man freya is a weird boss |
| 20:55.59 | Tem | Razorscale, Ko-- oh |
| 20:56.13 | Tem | Fisker-, I love Freya :) |
| 20:56.36 | Tem | I _hate_ the amount of trash needed to clear around her |
| 20:56.41 | Fisker- | ye |
| 20:56.43 | Tem | but I love the fight |
| 20:57.49 | Dashkal | Don't dismiss us too quickly. We're pure 10-man. That content is hard done correctly. I love it |
| 20:58.30 | Tem | I've never met any pure 10 man groups |
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| 20:58.56 | Tem | I probably would have enjoyed that progression path |
| 20:58.56 | Shirik | Tem: But 4 badges! |
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| 20:58.56 | Shirik | So worth it |
| 20:58.56 | Dashkal | I like it. Tighter group |
| 20:59.12 | Tem | Shirik, we do 10 man hard modes just for the badges >.> |
| 20:59.15 | Dashkal | "Scourgeborne 4-Piece Set Bonus: The runic power gain has been reduced to 5 runic power from 10 runic power." well, seems I don't need the other pieces anymore... sucks, I won a roll against someone who (now) could have used it more |
| 20:59.33 | Shirik | Tem: I run with both a 25 man and a 10 man. I like my 10 man a lot more and we have more confidence about each other. |
| 20:59.36 | Antiarc | What's the max size of a saved vars file? |
| 20:59.43 | Tem | nerfing the t7 set bonus? |
| 20:59.43 | Shirik | The 25 man is more full of "damn I wish person xxx would step up" |
| 20:59.51 | durcyn | Antiarc: uh, 2gb? >_> |
| 20:59.51 | foxlit | Antiarc: a MILLION bytes! |
| 21:00.04 | Tem | Shirik, our 25 man is full of "damn I wish person xxx would SHOW UP" |
| 21:00.08 | Antiarc | No, there's a much smaller max size |
| 21:00.11 | Shirik | Antiarc: I think the constant table is what you're going to hit |
| 21:00.13 | Shirik | not a max file size |
| 21:00.15 | Antiarc | ah |
| 21:00.17 | Tem | we haven't had a full raid in 25s since starting ulduar |
| 21:00.26 | Shirik | And iirc the constant table is 2^16 |
| 21:00.30 | Shirik | I could be totally off on that though |
| 21:00.31 | Lunessa | shudders to think that WoW Tech Support is telling people to run the game as "Administrator" in Windows Vista. |
| 21:00.46 | Tem | we've done up to mimi so far this week with 21 people |
| 21:01.55 | Dashkal | "The Spark of Imagination: Characters that release in part of the boss room will no longer be ported to Westfall or The Barrens." Ouch |
| 21:02.15 | Dashkal | "Players can no longer become saved to a raid instance when they aren’t in the raid during a boss kill." Very cool |
| 21:02.32 | Shirik | lua> return assert(loadstring("return " .. ("{"):rep(1000) .. ("}"):rep(1000)))() |
| 21:02.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: [string "return {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{..."]:1: chunk has too many syntax levels |
| 21:03.43 | Tem | oh lol |
| 21:06.33 | Zhinjio | Torhal: ping |
| 21:07.03 | Torhal | Zhinjio: pong |
| 21:07.18 | Zhinjio | can you tell me if you're still getting the error you did in extracor with 1.5.2? |
| 21:07.23 | Zhinjio | extractor, rather |
| 21:07.30 | Zhinjio | when its convenient for you, obv. |
| 21:07.41 | Torhal | I'll check it out. Nuking cache now. |
| 21:08.50 | foxlit | wonders what Torhal is going to do with all the nuclear fallout |
| 21:09.04 | Zhinjio | 1.5.1 didn't actually package libqtip |
| 21:09.05 | foxlit | should play a game |
| 21:09.11 | Zhinjio | so I'm wondering if that had something to do with it |
| 21:09.49 | foxlit | Did people come up with anything better than GetSubZoneText() == "Krasus' Landing"? |
| 21:10.32 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Extractor : 97 Extractor items are not in your local cache. |
| 21:10.35 | Torhal | No error yet |
| 21:10.53 | Zhinjio | yup, thats normal... in a few minutes, it will tell you that extractor has cached all the items it gives a shit about |
| 21:11.01 | Zhinjio | its running through all the ore and herbs |
| 21:11.09 | Zhinjio | pigments, etc |
| 21:11.25 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Yah, I know :) Just saying, no errors yet |
| 21:11.31 | Zhinjio | nods. awesome. |
| 21:12.01 | Zhinjio | i was wondering why it was telling me stuff in combuctor, and then someone filed a ticket that libqtip was missing from the bundle |
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| 21:15.07 | Torhal | I was getting errors for Combuctor, my bank, etc |
| 21:15.24 | Torhal | Ok, got errors on mouseover |
| 21:15.31 | Torhal | It's line 633, concatenating a nil value. |
| 21:17.16 | Adys | http://derrenbrownart.com/blog/?p=1681 |
| 21:17.20 | Adys | can someone explain this to ME? |
| 21:17.30 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Looks like GetItemInfo(k) is being fed an invalud parameter, so it returns nil as its first return value |
| 21:17.41 | Torhal | You should really upvalue that anyway rather than calling it twice |
| 21:17.54 | Torhal | Oh, nevermind, you're not calling it twice |
| 21:17.56 | Zhinjio | takes a look |
| 21:19.15 | Zhinjio | I don't suppose it tells you which value is causing the error, eh? |
| 21:20.14 | Torhal | No, but it traces to line 681 |
| 21:21.40 | Lunessa | Think I covered it? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473916520&sid=1#12 |
| 21:22.00 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Also, I don't get an error until I hover over an herb. |
| 21:22.37 | kd3 | real character copies to the PTR are now up |
| 21:22.42 | kd3 | instead of just premades |
| 21:23.01 | Zhinjio | nods. ok. I'll keep looking. |
| 21:23.54 | Zhinjio | did you mouseover the herb before or after you got the "All Extractor data is now cached" kind of message? |
| 21:23.55 | Shirik | I'm going to shoot myself |
| 21:24.33 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Before. |
| 21:24.39 | Torhal | I still haven't gotten that message |
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| 21:25.08 | Zhinjio | ok, that is starting to make more sense then. I should not hook the tooltip until I have all data cached. |
| 21:25.15 | Zhinjio | I suspect once its done, you won't get the error anymore. |
| 21:25.30 | Torhal | Well, I'm no longer getting the error for Grave Moss, so I believe you're right |
| 21:25.34 | Shirik | hey Dagmar, remember that problem last night where I was overriding a SecurityManager and needed to figure out what packages are currently in the traceback? |
| 21:25.36 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 21:25.40 | Shirik | And how I spent tons of time implementing it? |
| 21:25.45 | Zhinjio | ok, that makes alot of sense. I think I can fix that pretty easily. |
| 21:25.59 | mikma | apparently it's impossible to anchor the DropDown tooltip correctly? |
| 21:26.02 | Shirik | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/lang/SecurityManager.html#getClassContext() |
| 21:26.56 | Torhal | Zhinjio: The strange thing is, once I mouse over Grave Moss, it should be in my client's cache. However, I kept getting an error on it until (apparently) extractor scanned it. |
| 21:27.09 | NightHawkTheSane | http://dvice.com/archives/2009/04/talking-gadget.php |
| 21:27.21 | Torhal | mikma: Shouldn't be. |
| 21:28.34 | mikma | torhal: with .xml it's possible, but haven't been able to get a "smartposition" happen with lua |
| 21:28.46 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha, Kindle 2 & iPod shuffle perform Wrath of Khan, http://dvice.com/archives/2009/04/talking-gadget-1.php |
| 21:28.57 | Zhinjio | Torhal: I agree, that is weird. |
| 21:29.16 | Adys | As VentureBeat points out, Google hasn't officially confirmed any of this, and with no ad revenue going to the other companies, it only partially addresses complaints that Google is profiting unfairly from the work of news publications. |
| 21:29.28 | Adys | WHY DOES THEY GET MORE MONIES IM A CASUAL QQQQQ |
| 21:29.32 | Adys | they sound like wow players |
| 21:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: what do you think wow players become when they grow up? |
| 21:30.11 | Adys | dead? |
| 21:30.28 | NightHawkTheSane | if only, and if only we could do that to lawyers and marketing people too |
| 21:30.36 | Adys | no but they do. |
| 21:31.03 | Adys | Google is apparently planning on rolling out 'high-quality news' to users who not actively searching for news. |
| 21:31.03 | Adys | This to be followed by rolling out 'high-quality porn' to users who are not actively searching for porn (a small minority of google searches, to be sure.) |
| 21:31.05 | Adys | hahah |
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| 21:31.41 | Olison | Hi Adys |
| 21:31.45 | Adys | hai |
| 21:31.46 | Olison | waves. |
| 21:32.04 | mikma | torhal: if you do know a way, please let me know so i can stop pulling out my hair :P |
| 21:32.29 | kamdis | oh yay another "hacked file planted on curse that gave me a keylogger" thread. |
| 21:32.37 | kamdis | facepalms. |
| 21:32.51 | Zhinjio | Torhal: I took the easy way out. I just do a quick check on GetItemInfo and do nothing to the tooltip if its nil |
| 21:33.26 | Antiarc | I already reported it |
| 21:33.33 | Antiarc | I suggest you do the same |
| 21:33.57 | Tem | kd3, what did the premades have? |
| 21:34.03 | mikma | torhal: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_050109_003231.jpg <- there's the problem, tooltip is at the default position instead of the place i've been trying to tell it to go |
| 21:34.35 | kd3 | s6, 450 jewelcrafting, a bag full of gems and enchants |
| 21:34.38 | Zhinjio | Torhal: can you do the same test again with r31, please? |
| 21:34.45 | kd3 | logs back in |
| 21:34.46 | Zhinjio | once its up fully |
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| 21:36.37 | kd3 | ho, and a bag full of pve gear too |
| 21:37.11 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/burned-with-goblets-of-fire-no-doubt/1890 |
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| 21:39.06 | kd3 | qq. my copy lost 4 titles. |
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| 21:44.38 | Kaelten | holy necro'd thread batman! |
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| 21:47.44 | Shirik | kd3? |
| 21:48.09 | kd3 | blah. it'd help if I read the patch notes. char copies aren't getting sent with their achievement history |
| 21:48.18 | kamdis | lol Kaelten |
| 21:48.22 | kamdis | Chewbacca :) |
| 21:48.24 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Great way to sell books :) |
| 21:48.38 | kamdis | What really gets me is, that guy thinks he's smart. |
| 21:48.47 | Kaelten | kamdis: fixed |
| 21:48.53 | kamdis | he really does think he's superior intellectually to everyone else in that thread. |
| 21:49.01 | kamdis | fixed what? |
| 21:49.12 | Kaelten | the spelling of chewbacca |
| 21:49.19 | kamdis | oh, I didn't notice. |
| 21:49.23 | Kaelten | I forgot a c |
| 21:49.24 | Kaelten | I think |
| 21:49.25 | Kaelten | I don't know |
| 21:49.27 | kamdis | I was just telling you what i was loling at |
| 21:49.28 | Kaelten | shrugs |
| 21:49.29 | kamdis | ;-) |
| 21:49.30 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 21:49.36 | ckknight | link? |
| 21:50.11 | kamdis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474246018&sid=1&pageNo=14#33 |
| 21:50.28 | Kaelten | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474246018&pageNo=14&sid=1#274 |
| 21:50.36 | Torhal | mikma: Title's typo'd, but here's something I messed with a couple of months back: http://paste.wowace.com/561/ |
| 21:51.32 | Torhal | YMMV. I only futxed with it for about 30 minutes and moved on to something else. |
| 21:51.43 | Torhal | s/futxed/futzed/ |
| 21:51.56 | kd3 | and yet no one's reported the necro post... |
| 21:52.26 | mikma | torhal: hmm neat. i'll have a look |
| 21:57.37 | kamdis | Ha! the 3 page "curse violates the blizzard policy" thread got locked. |
| 21:57.51 | kd3 | lmao |
| 21:57.52 | kd3 | win |
| 21:58.19 | bleeter | hmmm so it'd appear that on Oceanic realms, the Noblegarden NPCs are doing their damnedest to despawn (fixed by relogging... for all of 15-30mins) and the kids weed stuff's spawned a day early |
| 21:58.26 | bleeter | er |
| 21:58.30 | bleeter | kid's week |
| 21:58.33 | bleeter | lol @ kids weed |
| 21:58.36 | kd3 | indeed |
| 22:00.01 | ScytheBlade1 | gah wtf |
| 22:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474156646&sid=1 another curse thread.. on general |
| 22:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Seven pages! |
| 22:00.34 | kd3 | reports the op and tabs back out |
| 22:01.57 | Lunessa | <3 Kamdis |
| 22:03.46 | kamdis | huh what? |
| 22:04.05 | Lunessa | Your posts have been entertaining me all day. |
| 22:04.12 | Thunder_Child | "I summon the fuzzy creatures that bringth the lite I summon the fancy spells that fizzle all nite let nature come hence and heal thy wounds and resurrect my friend who is an utter noob" |
| 22:04.23 | kamdis | ah. |
| 22:04.39 | kamdis | i couldn't stay away from that (excuse my language) fucking moron. |
| 22:06.15 | Lunessa | Wait, that's harsh language? OMG, I've been doing it WRONG |
| 22:06.56 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: "I am inexplicable incapable of fighting within an 8 yard radius of my person, but that's okay, because I have Snuggles the Cat to protect me with a small DPS increase, and an angry snarl." |
| 22:08.21 | kamdis | I didn't want Cairenn to warn me. :P |
| 22:10.04 | Shirik | why is everyone more afraid of Cairenn|afk than me :( |
| 22:10.50 | zenzelezz | she's a woman. Nuff said |
| 22:10.56 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:10.58 | kd3 | ^^^^^^ |
| 22:11.22 | Shirik | Ok, this is going to sound very odd |
| 22:11.30 | Shirik | consider a malicious program running in a sandbox |
| 22:11.40 | Shirik | Should the sandbox deny access to create print jobs? |
| 22:11.52 | Shirik | Is that really a security risk? I would probably say no |
| 22:12.57 | Shirik | boggles at the ads on Mibbit |
| 22:13.05 | kamdis | ScytheBlade1 - that thread got locked and moved to UI&M. |
| 22:13.11 | Shirik | "World Gold & Accounts. Low Price $4/1200 World Gold <5M" |
| 22:13.16 | Shirik | wtf is World Gold |
| 22:13.23 | Lunessa | Old, but priceless: http://winterson.com/2005/06/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west.html |
| 22:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: ah |
| 22:18.07 | bleeter | is there an orphanage in Northrend? |
| 22:18.15 | Antiarc | *ahem* |
| 22:18.23 | bleeter | wut |
| 22:18.23 | Antiarc | I'LL NEVER USE CURSE, WOWMATRIX FOREVER |
| 22:18.31 | Antiarc | WTF CURSE IS MAKING ME PAY FOR CONVEINENCE |
| 22:18.32 | bleeter | oh that all |
| 22:18.35 | Antiarc | GIVE ME FREE STUFF. |
| 22:18.44 | Antiarc | This has been "The WoW forums", a one-man play by Antiarc. Thank you. |
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| 22:19.48 | Lunessa | Antiarc: I give it ** - not enough angst. |
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| 22:20.17 | Spellbinder | eats angst |
| 22:20.37 | Antiarc | I'll have to work on that. |
| 22:20.46 | Kirov_ | "WHY FOR CURSE MAKE ME PAY!?" "They don't, you can use it for free." "BUT DEN I HAS AIDS!" "Advertisements, yes." "DAT SUX I UUS WM INSTED! IT NO HAS AIDS" "It has advertisements too, that's how it makes money." |
| 22:21.37 | Kirov_ | "BUT DAT DIFERENT! WM EZ!" |
| 22:21.44 | Kirov_ | *sign* |
| 22:21.49 | Kirov_ | h |
| 22:21.57 | kamdis | not GIVE ME FREE STUFF, but rather I AM ENTITLED TO FREE STUFF |
| 22:22.18 | Shirik | omg caps |
| 22:22.20 | Shirik | pain hurt |
| 22:22.27 | kamdis | RAWR |
| 22:22.33 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:22.36 | Kirov_ | The caps hurt, not the spelling? |
| 22:22.36 | Shirik | stabs Antiarc for starting this |
| 22:22.48 | kamdis | huggles Gryphen. |
| 22:22.48 | TecnoBrat | tekkub, <3 the name of your mods |
| 22:22.51 | Gryphen | huggles kamdis. |
| 22:22.52 | Lunessa | Antiarc: You need to include "CURSE!!! DO NOT WANT!!!" |
| 22:23.29 | Kirov_ | ORLY/ |
| 22:23.32 | Kirov_ | YARLY! |
| 22:23.40 | mikma | NOWAI |
| 22:23.43 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 22:24.08 | bleeter | so who's put WM detection code into their addon manager so it restores the author's original versions >< |
| 22:24.30 | mikma | me |
| 22:24.44 | Antiarc | Hahah, there's someone in trade chat with a blizzard icon next to their name |
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| 22:24.59 | mikma | antiarc: ohnoes :( |
| 22:25.30 | Shirik | Antiarc: o.O |
| 22:25.31 | bleeter | Antiarc: someone was being GM controlled, and the GM forgot to deflag the account ;) |
| 22:25.33 | Kirov_ | Antiarc - is he saying "ass" or "gay" or linking [Swine Flu] a lot? |
| 22:25.43 | kamdis | We had a guild mate that a GM logged on as. |
| 22:25.47 | kamdis | I have screenshots. |
| 22:25.57 | Antiarc | http://i44.tinypic.com/2ptar91.jpg |
| 22:26.28 | Antiarc | 15:26 Spam Nerothusus: omg ppl stop asking for epics lol |
| 22:26.41 | mikma | well |
| 22:26.45 | mikma | ask for legendaries then |
| 22:27.11 | Kirov_ | and ... they didn't just send a gm ticket why? |
| 22:27.36 | Antiarc | They have apparently |
| 22:27.49 | Lunessa | LOL " Also, WTB porn fairy. " |
| 22:28.27 | kd3 | yay, thread distraction |
| 22:28.53 | kd3 | ooh. they're trying to stress-test |
| 22:28.54 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474316559&sid=1 |
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| 22:29.25 | kd3 | pokes the forums |
| 22:29.48 | zenzelezz | epic "Final countdown" version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU |
| 22:30.14 | Kirov_ | porn fairy - isn't that a horny girlfriend? |
| 22:32.33 | Kirov_ | Kazookeylele ... seems like a natural progression from the Keytars. |
| 22:34.33 | Kaelten | omg I just found a post I don't even know how to respond too.... |
| 22:34.55 | Kaelten | "This whole "viability as a company" think just strikes me as a grab for more money. Ad revenue is cut in half because of the economic crisis, so that burden should be passed on to the end user?" |
| 22:35.46 | Dashkal | I don't think there's any point responding to that one. That is mind outright closed right there. |
| 22:35.47 | Shirik | ok bye |
| 22:35.48 | foxlit | You feel obliged to respond to forum posts? |
| 22:35.49 | Dashkal | Does not care |
| 22:38.00 | Kaelten | foxlit: not obliged, but I do read them in case there are legitimate questions |
| 22:38.48 | Fisker- | no new childrens week stuff in dalaran? |
| 22:40.11 | bleeter | Fisker-: would seem that there's not |
| 22:40.17 | Fisker- | :( |
| 22:40.20 | Fisker- | i hate you! |
| 22:40.28 | bleeter | Fisker-: also seem to be seeing really odd behaviour from noblegarden npcs trying to despawn and stuff |
| 22:40.36 | bleeter | whether related to start of kids week no idea |
| 22:40.49 | bleeter | relogging seems to bring the NG npcs back.. for enough time to hand in quests etc |
| 22:41.08 | bleeter | so my buddy reports |
| 22:41.22 | bleeter | I cbf with NG as it honors the singularly most destructive animal in Australia |
| 22:41.32 | bleeter | after man, that is |
| 22:41.42 | Dashkal | I thought that was toads... |
| 22:41.47 | Dashkal | (honestly, rabbits are worse?) |
| 22:41.53 | bleeter | rabbits are far worse |
| 22:42.01 | bleeter | toads 3rd |
| 22:42.03 | Fisker- | well you completed NG on the first day anyways |
| 22:42.04 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 22:42.16 | Dashkal | good to know |
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| 22:42.43 | Dashkal | NG was a one day. Took all day (I'm too ADD to sit there clicking eggs long enough to do it in one session) but still one day |
| 22:42.57 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia |
| 22:43.20 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.31 | bleeter | etc. etc. |
| 22:43.34 | Dashkal | mmm |
| 22:43.38 | Kirov_ | There was one fun bug with Sartharion where I disconnected from the server just before she died. I was still "there", for the kill so I could get loot, but when I logged back in her body was gone. Everyone else could see it, but me (and two other people who also disconnected). |
| 22:43.44 | Kaelten | BUNNIES BUNNIES IT MUST BE BUNIIIIIEEEES! |
| 22:43.44 | bleeter | there's a movement here for 'Easter Bilby' instead of 'Easter Bunny' |
| 22:43.54 | bleeter | the Bilby being one of the local animals that the rabbit is 'killing off' |
| 22:43.58 | Kirov_ | I realized that when I logged in again, I _could_ see the body, for a split second before it fell through the world. |
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| 22:44.26 | Kirov_ | I logged in standing where the body should be and spamming right click, managed to loot her. |
| 22:46.32 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/04/30/the-grossest-thing-you-will-see-all-day |
| 22:46.47 | Kirov_ | why do I click ... |
| 22:47.04 | Kirov_ | oh! it's delicious! |
| 22:47.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 22:47.48 | Kirov_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/7862253@N06/3469395468/in/set-72157617233641308/ |
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| 22:48.16 | Kirov_ | See, it's delicious, 3 times so. |
| 22:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | "Be sure to save the delicious broth"! |
| 22:49.33 | kamdis | oh my god |
| 22:49.46 | kamdis | i think that can of chicken gave me bird flu or something |
| 22:49.54 | kamdis | hurls. |
| 22:51.43 | Lunessa | Are you sure it's a chicken and not some strange, land-dwelling cephalopod? |
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| 22:52.19 | kamdis | Not helping |
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| 22:52.43 | Shirik | I'm helping! |
| 22:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I feel I can safely say "Mission Accomplished" |
| 22:53.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hangs a banner. |
| 22:55.11 | Shirik | Okay, you know how in 3.0 mobs started assuming where you're going and go there |
| 22:55.14 | Shirik | instead of where you are? |
| 22:55.25 | NightHawkTheSane | they did? |
| 22:55.30 | Shirik | well yes :P |
| 22:55.32 | Shirik | Anyway |
| 22:55.39 | Shirik | Awesome bug as a result of it found by a guildie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bCOVP_ZGE |
| 22:56.11 | Shirik | two mobs aggressive to each other start to dance :) |
| 22:56.33 | zenzelezz | Flashdance at 30 paces! |
| 22:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe its not a bug but an easter egg rendition of 'you got served'? |
| 22:57.21 | bleeter | Shirik: er, that's been going on with pets and mobs for ages |
| 22:57.31 | bleeter | fairly certain it was pre-3.0 |
| 22:57.36 | Shirik | well glad I don't have pets :) |
| 22:57.50 | bleeter | i've chased a mob halfway across a zone 'coz of that |
| 22:58.19 | bleeter | this was back when it was *really* bad, I ain't played with a pet class recently but I get the feeling it's not as bad anymore (from what friends have said) |
| 22:58.48 | kamdis | on the GMs logging on people's characters thing from a while back: http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu31/consectarius/13.jpg and http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu31/consectarius/14.jpg and http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu31/consectarius/15.jpg I think the /w is better than the Blizz tag stuff. |
| 22:59.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yay, vista SP2 downloading |
| 22:59.42 | Shirik | yay, Windows 7 |
| 22:59.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Now if only it'd go faster than 70kB/sec |
| 23:00.00 | Hjalte | Windows 7 is RC quality now, yes? |
| 23:00.13 | kamdis | The guild also tried to convince the GM to leave him naked in Silithus without a hearthstone. |
| 23:00.13 | bleeter | Shirik: VSP2? hmm, might go and get vista in 3 months then ;) |
| 23:00.14 | Shirik | I haven't had any significant problems with it |
| 23:00.14 | kamdis | hehe |
| 23:00.33 | bleeter | er s/shirik/sbo/ |
| 23:00.58 | Nechckn_AFK | Shirik that was cute =) |
| 23:01.23 | netcurse | Hjalte yes |
| 23:01.24 | Zhinjio | Torhal: any chance you can retest with r31 real quick? If not, don't worry about |
| 23:01.29 | netcurse | just downloaded it, will install tonight |
| 23:01.44 | Nechckn_AFK | The NPC Dance-Off, that is, looks like those mechs can bring it! or something like that, anyway. |
| 23:01.46 | Torhal | Zhinjio: One sec. |
| 23:02.10 | Zhinjio | there's no hurry at all. |
| 23:02.13 | Zhinjio | users can wait. |
| 23:02.14 | Zhinjio | heh |
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| 23:04.33 | Lunessa | Hahaha - http://notalwaysright.com/theyre-starting-to-catch-on/1596 |
| 23:05.02 | Stanzilla | Hjalte: yup, rc was released today |
| 23:05.23 | Hjalte | Stanzilla: Hasn't 7100 been out for a few days? |
| 23:05.28 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 23:05.36 | Stanzilla | leaks are always faster :P |
| 23:05.57 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Moved to line 654, concat nil |
| 23:06.06 | Hjalte | I wonder if the build that comes out may 5 will be any different. Probably not |
| 23:06.34 | Shirik | So are druids still good for raid healing? |
| 23:06.40 | Shirik | not as good as priests, I assume, but |
| 23:06.47 | Zhinjio | Torhal: thanks.... looking. |
| 23:07.12 | Zhinjio | bah, I fixed one isntance and not the other. Feh. |
| 23:07.16 | Torhal | :D |
| 23:07.20 | Hjalte | Shirik: Our druids still do pretty good on raid healing. |
| 23:07.25 | Torhal | I don't know what item triggered it, unfortunately |
| 23:07.33 | Torhal | Wasn't Grave Moss, though. I went there first |
| 23:07.35 | Zhinjio | that one was ore |
| 23:07.37 | Torhal | Ah |
| 23:07.47 | Lunessa | debates the merits of getting Windows7 |
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| 23:08.14 | Tem | Shirik, in most cases, I think druids might even beat a priest at raid healing |
| 23:08.30 | Shirik | nah f priests |
| 23:08.30 | Tem | not for really damage intensive places |
| 23:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | This SP2 ISO comes in 5 languages for all three architectures for both vista and 2k8 all editions |
| 23:09.13 | ScytheBlade1 | which explains why it is 1376MB |
| 23:09.17 | Shirik | win, ScytheBlade1 |
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| 23:09.23 | Zhinjio | ok, r32, once it packages. |
| 23:09.50 | Torhal | That should do it. I see you went ahead and upvalued anyway, and put it to good use :) |
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| 23:10.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: downside, it's going at an epic 80kB/sec |
| 23:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 2%! |
| 23:12.43 | Tuller | so, I just got a small rash of donations that attribute their source from wowmatrix |
| 23:12.55 | Hjalte_ | Can I use my old beta win7 cd-key? |
| 23:12.56 | Kirov_ | I posted on General ... I fell dirty now |
| 23:13.28 | Tuller | i'm curious of anyone else has had a similar thing happen today, since it is the last day of the month |
| 23:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | oh right, no wonder it's going so slow |
| 23:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | People are abusing technet for the win7 RC |
| 23:15.16 | Lunessa | TechNet is for abusing. |
| 23:15.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I'm doing now |
| 23:15.25 | Kirov_ | There's a post on the UI forums about not being able to use their Fucus frame ... for some reason I'm tempted to post about how my Ficus frame doesn't work, the wood is just too knarled to be straight. |
| 23:16.10 | bleeter | wtf... they STILL haven't put tumbleweed in Shattrath.... FAILBLIZZ |
| 23:16.20 | kamdis | Kirov_: lol |
| 23:16.31 | alestane | "Mr. Daniels can't answer the phone at the moment. This is Mr. Daniels' ficus benjamina." |
| 23:16.37 | kamdis | I was going to bash him for that, but he spelled it correctly in his post. |
| 23:18.10 | Lunessa | I see it as a "Fucus Frame" and all I can say is I don't think I want a Tauren Warrior deciding I'm his "Fucus" |
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| 23:21.01 | bleeter | also ... why the hell can't flying carpets stick to the ground in grounded areas, like the headless horseman's mount |
| 23:21.11 | bleeter | is that a bug or an rfe??? i dunno |
| 23:21.30 | bleeter | wtb: more dynamic mounts like headless horseman's |
| 23:21.33 | bleeter | mm rfe |
| 23:21.57 | Kirov_ | I want to use my proto drake in Eastern Kingdoms too |
| 23:22.06 | Kirov_ | they walk awesomely |
| 23:26.52 | foxlit | So, Daily Chores. |
| 23:26.56 | foxlit | Bugged or very bugged? |
| 23:29.04 | Kirov_ | Did they fix [flyable] in 3.1? |
| 23:29.36 | bleeter | foxlit: probably bugged as much as the standard 'repeat same daily 5 times' is bugged |
| 23:29.40 | bleeter | foxlit: just guessing there ;) |
| 23:30.15 | Cloudwolf | daily repeat 5 times? |
| 23:30.19 | Cloudwolf | they bugged the EU servers? |
| 23:30.27 | bleeter | Kirov_: I added your protodrake comment to my Suggestion ;) |
| 23:30.38 | Kirov_ | lol |
| 23:31.31 | foxlit | It's not that it resets |
| 23:31.36 | foxlit | It's that it appears to be stuck at 0/5 |
| 23:31.41 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 23:31.56 | bleeter | foxlit: how do you know it's not resetting when it attempts to go to 1?? :P |
| 23:32.41 | kd3 | I got lucky and started late, late tuesday night and came back a little earlier for the next 5 days |
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| 23:32.48 | bleeter | its the henry ford rule of questing... 'you can repeat this quest as many times as you like, as long as it's less than 1' |
| 23:32.50 | kd3 | one tuesday night* |
| 23:33.31 | bleeter | anyone familiar with Dirk Gently? |
| 23:33.51 | Cloudwolf | dirka dirka? i had to sorry |
| 23:34.05 | Lunessa | bleeter: Holistic Detective Agency |
| 23:34.24 | Kirov_ | bleeter - I prefered him over Douglas Adams' other characters. |
| 23:34.56 | Torhal | mikma: Do you still have hair? |
| 23:35.29 | Jamash | the fundamental interconnectedness of all things |
| 23:35.33 | Lunessa | I'm out. See you guys tomorrow. |
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| 23:36.00 | bleeter | hmm, actually.. nah it wouldn't work. while you can tell how far away someone is, you can't tell which direction. |
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| 23:36.15 | kd3 | whee: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16888678742&sid=1#3 |
| 23:36.25 | bleeter | so it'd actually be impossible to suggest who to follow if they appear to know where they're going |
| 23:37.23 | mikma | torhal: well, yeah |
| 23:37.36 | Kirov_ | bleeter - you know directions for players in your group. |
| 23:38.09 | mikma | torhal: i sticked with the default DropDown and my own.. odd tooltip |
| 23:38.29 | bleeter | Kirov_: yeah, that's not quite the Dirk Gently method though, is it? |
| 23:39.56 | kd3 | hm... 20 minutes to go |
| 23:40.04 | kd3 | cursed slow-ass connection in the middle of nowhere |
| 23:40.07 | kd3 | kicks his modem |
| 23:40.44 | bleeter | mikma: that theory being... 'if you don't know where you're going, follow someone who appears to know where they're going. if they don't take you to where you wanted to go, you'll probably be where you need to be' or roughly somesuch ;) |
| 23:40.58 | Kirov_ | kd3 - careful, it might miss a bleep or bloop, corrupting all the data |
| 23:42.33 | foxlit | sigh, battlegrounds + pve rare gear == splat |
| 23:42.45 | foxlit | epic splat, even. |
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| 23:43.48 | Dashkal | heh, you at least need the PoS crafted blues :p |
| 23:44.34 | foxlit | Die in two bloody autoattack swings |
| 23:44.35 | Jamash | go to wintergrasp, get in a raid, hang back and pick up HKs, profit |
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| 23:45.01 | Dashkal | Mind you, the level of resi on that gear? All it does is upgrade you from splat to smush |
| 23:45.03 | Fisker- | yAuriaya |
| 23:45.03 | Fisker- | Strength of the Pack now increases damage done by 30%. (Down from 50%) |
| 23:45.10 | Fisker- | Officially they stated it was buffed? |
| 23:45.20 | Fisker- | failboat |
| 23:45.38 | mikma | bleeter: but what about if thet dude gets lost? |
| 23:45.43 | Hjalte_ | If I install Windows 7 and select Upgrade (Can I do that from windows xp x64?), does anyone know if I can keep doing that as new Windows 7 builds come out? |
| 23:46.10 | Hjalte_ | Alright, found out I can't do it from Windows XP. |
| 23:46.12 | bleeter | mikma: you'll be there to find the dude, thus fulfilling the 'being where you need to be' (to find him) |
| 23:46.18 | foxlit | Dashkal: I suspect I need sta more than resi |
| 23:47.13 | Dashkal | Pretty much. PvE 200 purps > PvP Blues |
| 23:47.31 | Dashkal | But I'm a DK. My tanking buttons make up for the resi |
| 23:47.42 | foxlit | Yeah, DKs. |
| 23:48.02 | foxlit | Meh, actually, I probably shouldn't whine -- I can go run around in tanking gear |
| 23:48.21 | Dashkal | When forced to pvp, that's how I do it :p |
| 23:48.29 | Dashkal | mmm, frost presence + tanking gear |
| 23:48.34 | foxlit | two characters, though |
| 23:48.42 | foxlit | DK tank should be the easy one |
| 23:48.59 | foxlit | The healing druid in instance blues is going to be hard(er) |
| 23:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> Any ideas why wow would decide to hang on launch? >< |
| 23:49.20 | Dashkal | When I blood tank, I'm brutal to kill. I don't do all that much damage, but I self-heal so much you have to CC/Stunlock/Keep me at range |
| 23:49.34 | Dashkal | And with the DS buff, I'll be blood in my tank spec again |
| 23:50.31 | Arrowmaster | i need to figure out how to kill this stupid .eml attactment block on my outgoing mail server |
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