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| 00:13.06 | mikma | maldivia: http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34097 <- does this still work for you? |
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| 00:45.29 | Zyndrome | right, time to sink my teeth into how to make something fire on a spellcast from a mob, or in this case, a boss ;/ |
| 00:46.06 | Cloudwolf | what kind of firing? |
| 00:46.09 | Cloudwolf | like a text warning? |
| 00:46.24 | Zyndrome | no, I want a sound to play |
| 00:46.48 | Zyndrome | it's for Steelbreaker @ Assembly of Iron , in Ulduar :P |
| 00:46.52 | Cloudwolf | not sure if you can pick things up that arn't your targets hmm |
| 00:46.53 | Zyndrome | when he use his Fusion Punch |
| 00:47.11 | Zyndrome | when he starts casting it |
| 00:47.39 | mikma | .. meh? |
| 00:47.52 | mikma | why not just use DBM |
| 00:47.58 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 00:47.58 | Zyndrome | no, it's not that :P |
| 00:48.03 | Cloudwolf | cus he wants to learn? |
| 00:48.11 | Zyndrome | ^ that, plus... |
| 00:48.28 | Zyndrome | my guildmates keep saying FALCON PUNCH , so why not throw it in there when the boss does it ;) |
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| 00:48.47 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 00:48.55 | Cloudwolf | !api |
| 00:49.00 | Cloudwolf | ~api |
| 00:49.01 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, api is (Application Programming Interface) APIs allow you to program to a pre-constructed interface (the API) instead of programming a device or piece of software directly. This allows for faster development, since programming to a device's API is designed to be easier than programming to a device directly. APIs allow you to program without having intimate knowledge of the device or software that you a |
| 00:49.04 | NeoTron | there were like 600-700 spam accounts created on our forums |
| 00:49.11 | Cloudwolf | !wowapi |
| 00:49.12 | Cloudwolf | ~wowapi |
| 00:49.13 | purl | (.*?) http://www.wowwiki.com/API_$1 |
| 00:49.19 | NeoTron | too bad the phpbb3 captcha is useless :-/ |
| 00:49.32 | Shirik | my computer is beyond broken now |
| 00:49.40 | Cairenn | :( |
| 00:49.44 | Shirik | Not sure how I did it |
| 00:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no, Shirik! |
| 00:49.51 | Shirik | but ctrl+alt+del no longer does naything |
| 00:49.55 | Shirik | neither does windows+r |
| 00:49.57 | airtonix | lulz |
| 00:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl+shift+escape |
| 00:50.05 | alestane | What about the power dorc? |
| 00:50.06 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: tried, same effect |
| 00:50.07 | alestane | cord* |
| 00:50.13 | airtonix | too bad you dont have sysrql |
| 00:50.20 | Shirik | well alestane I don't want to shut it down :( |
| 00:50.27 | Shirik | Other than that, everything's working normally |
| 00:50.28 | alestane | If pulling that doesn't affect it, you have deeper issues, like your computer being possessed. |
| 00:50.48 | airtonix | it already is |
| 00:50.55 | alestane | So it's interactive, just you've lost the Task Manager? |
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| 00:51.27 | Shirik | I've also lost the ability to hit windows+r |
| 00:51.30 | Shirik | actually |
| 00:51.34 | Shirik | I've lost the windows key completely |
| 00:51.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mindwipe |
| 00:51.42 | Shirik | windows+e results in "e" in this chat window |
| 00:51.51 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 00:51.56 | Cairenn | the hell did you do? |
| 00:52.08 | alestane | Does it have something going on that needs to finish? It sounds like it wants a reboot. |
| 00:52.14 | airtonix | is there a tool to run in the windows command line shell to print out all key press? |
| 00:52.22 | Shirik | alestane: I'm just lazy and don't want to reboot it |
| 00:52.35 | Corrodias | how strange |
| 00:52.54 | alestane | And now you're going nuts trying to figure out what could cause this, I daresay. You never can leave a puzzle alone. |
| 00:53.01 | Corrodias | there are programs that can completely disable the key. my favorite on XP was one that JUST disabled the start menu shortcut (winkey alone) but not the other ones like win+e |
| 00:53.24 | Corrodias | i couldn't find a similar one for Vista, but i haven't accidentally hit the winkey in years, so i guess i don't need one. |
| 00:54.32 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/571/ win. |
| 00:56.16 | Dagmar | G15/G11 keyboards have a switch that just disables the key |
| 00:57.07 | Dagmar | 720p should be doable |
| 00:57.41 | kd3 | yay for jetlagging myself into a 'regular' wake/sleep cycle |
| 01:00.41 | Cloudwolf | what are peoples opinions on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45077#comments |
| 01:01.07 | mikma | the url looks sexy and handsome |
| 01:01.54 | Cloudwolf | uh mikma i dislike your sarcasm |
| 01:02.02 | Cloudwolf | well not sarcasm |
| 01:02.04 | Cloudwolf | duno what that is... |
| 01:03.23 | mikma | neutral comment? |
| 01:03.42 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE sexy and handsom |
| 01:03.43 | NightHawkTheSane | e |
| 01:03.49 | Cloudwolf | well click the link mikma and tell me what you think of the dagger |
| 01:04.52 | mikma | omg i can't click it!!111oneone |
| 01:05.28 | mikma | most likely aiming to put that on rogue |
| 01:05.30 | Cloudwolf | mikma i dislike you trolling me like this lol |
| 01:05.31 | Cairenn | does anyone have the link to the post on the Blizz forums where (one or another of you) looked at the WM code and found where it's altering .toc's, etc? |
| 01:05.38 | Cloudwolf | well mikma im a combat rogue |
| 01:05.44 | Cloudwolf | and i don't have any purple weapons XD |
| 01:05.56 | Torhal|Away | Cairenn: Arrowmaster would. |
| 01:06.07 | mikma | cloudwolf: i'm the master troller when i'm tired |
| 01:06.07 | Cairenn | couldn't remember who posted it |
| 01:06.08 | Dagmar | Personally, by this point I'd just tell the WM people to frell off if they can't take your word for it |
| 01:06.20 | Cairenn | Dagmar: heh |
| 01:06.21 | mikma | cloudwolf: http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2.15&filter=ub=4;gm=3;wt=21:117:103:119:96:114:20:77:22:123;wtv=100:100:82:82:82:55:50:46:1:-100 |
| 01:06.22 | Torhal | Dagmar: Too much FarScape. |
| 01:06.44 | Torhal | Yup. Way too much fraking FarScape. |
| 01:06.53 | Dagmar | Torhal: Believe me I am perfectly capable of using more foul language than some people in this channel even know exist |
| 01:07.00 | Torhal | Heh |
| 01:07.05 | Dagmar | Don't give me crap about *which* words I use or I'll start scaring sailors away |
| 01:07.18 | Cloudwolf | 17th down is the dagger of the moon |
| 01:07.21 | Torhal | Dagmar: Bah. I responded with a BSG curse :P |
| 01:07.30 | Cloudwolf | out of 249 |
| 01:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | He also had it in a pastey, cairenn, he put the pastey link here in the channel. |
| 01:07.34 | Cloudwolf | so its not that bad ^^ |
| 01:07.35 | Cairenn | have at it Dagmar, I can probably match you, having worked with both the military and with a construction comapnay ;) |
| 01:07.47 | Torhal | Cairenn: And, apparently, pirates. |
| 01:07.53 | Dagmar | Remember, a very popular troll tactic is to wear the opponent down by making them look up "proof" for every little thing, no matter how obvious or much it is common knowledge |
| 01:07.54 | Cairenn | Torhal: lol |
| 01:08.28 | Dagmar | I'm seeing more than a little of that sort of thing going on with this WM business, although some of it may be that it's _really_ brought the trolls out in spades to whine |
| 01:08.38 | mikma | cloudwolf: so it's 17th best according to wowhead scores ;) |
| 01:08.46 | Cloudwolf | yep |
| 01:08.48 | Cairenn | Dagmar: I know |
| 01:08.50 | Cloudwolf | means when i can get it im getting it |
| 01:09.02 | Cairenn | but I'm trying where possible to remain calm and rational |
| 01:09.08 | Cloudwolf | lol its better than hateful gladiator's mutilator shanker and shiv |
| 01:09.08 | mikma | cloudwolf: if you aren't able to get your hands on the 1-16 daggers, the go for it |
| 01:09.12 | Cairenn | I got a little cranky at one point today, but |
| 01:09.24 | Dagmar | I really should just go ahead and send Lore Sjoreberg an email saying "Tough crap, it's mine now" and actually write _the_ book on trolling |
| 01:09.27 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying to scan posts, cairenn. I seem to remember page 15 is key... |
| 01:09.35 | Dagmar | ...just so I can start pointing to it when someone tries a troll argument. |
| 01:09.37 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: no worries :) |
| 01:09.54 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: got them |
| 01:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 15 sounds right |
| 01:09.59 | Dagmar | "Sorry man, I won't be producing statistical evidence that the sky's freaking blue, because after all, I wrote the book on trolling." |
| 01:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | the question is.. 15 of which thread? ;) |
| 01:10.03 | Cloudwolf | ugh ig ota run ulduar for the good daggers |
| 01:10.13 | Cloudwolf | and i don't have 1 the time 2 the patience 3 the gear.... |
| 01:10.37 | Cairenn | not dead yet thread and it's page 13 |
| 01:10.39 | Cloudwolf | nax or ulduar lol *cry* |
| 01:11.41 | Lopeppeppy | 13, not 15. *nod* |
| 01:12.00 | Dagmar | Only a little while longer and it'll be able to be tried as an adult |
| 01:12.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:13.30 | Cairenn | soon as I was reminded who did it, I was able to find it pretty easily |
| 01:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | I bow to your search fu, |
| 01:13.50 | Lopeppeppy | Had I not been fixated on the wrong lucky number, I might have stood a chance |
| 01:13.57 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 01:14.13 | NeoTron | http://www.isthisyourluggage.com/Site/Luggage_home.html |
| 01:14.29 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042509_040442.jpg hehe pimp my ui |
| 01:15.15 | Cloudwolf | lol luggage |
| 01:16.00 | NeoTron | it made no sense to me until I read the about page |
| 01:16.44 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeeew! |
| 01:16.45 | alestane | Why do we allow these people to postpay services AT ALL? http://notalwaysright.com/whos-got-the-power-now-part-2/1857 |
| 01:17.35 | Cloudwolf | if he has no power how does he even call? |
| 01:17.37 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: things like life support systems |
| 01:17.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Cloudwolf: phone lines are self-powered |
| 01:17.58 | Cloudwolf | ah wait corded phone |
| 01:18.03 | alestane | Not everyone uses a cordless phone. |
| 01:18.06 | Cloudwolf | i forget power outage = plug in a corded phone |
| 01:18.17 | Cloudwolf | lol I kno where YOU live win |
| 01:18.54 | Dagmar | laughs at the people still dependent on crude copper wires for communication |
| 01:19.13 | Dagmar | I have some tin cans here lying around spare if you need to expand your network |
| 01:19.15 | alestane | Dagmar: His cell phone service probably also got cut off for nonpayment. |
| 01:19.34 | alestane | Looking for help, in all the wrong places: http://notalwaysright.com/children-should-come-with-a-manual-or-a-hot-line/1862 |
| 01:22.05 | Cloudwolf | lol alestane i like that one |
| 01:22.12 | Cloudwolf | atleast its not some one freaking out like the wire less one |
| 01:22.26 | Cloudwolf | i want to know the age of the caller on the wireless router one |
| 01:28.28 | mikma | i call it a fake |
| 01:32.14 | mikma | "I just gave myself a headache trying to drink this thing! I demand double my money back, a free milkshake and some Ibuprofen!." |
| 01:32.18 | mikma | faaaaake |
| 01:33.02 | mikma | that's like the service we have |
| 01:33.08 | mikma | you can enter stories you have HEARD |
| 01:33.13 | mikma | .. riiight |
| 01:35.14 | Cloudwolf | alksjdflkjas i hope my wow didn't just lock up |
| 01:36.32 | Cloudwolf | yeargh world server down |
| 01:39.49 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:39.52 | Shirik | I can't do windows+R |
| 01:39.58 | Shirik | so how do I invoke certmgr.msc? |
| 01:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | without running things? you don't |
| 01:40.57 | Dagmar | Start with ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:41.20 | Dagmar | Task Manager, File->New Task (Run...) |
| 01:41.29 | Shirik | please try again |
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| 01:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | fix your crap |
| 01:42.08 | Dagmar | Works here. Doesn't involve the Logo key at all |
| 01:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | then run mmc.exe and hit "add" |
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| 01:42.35 | Shirik | I just found out another thing that's broken |
| 01:42.40 | Shirik | the admin popup by UAC |
| 01:42.44 | Jamash | then take a baseball bat and void your keyboard's warranty |
| 01:42.51 | Shirik | so I can't run anything in administrator mode (which certmgr.msc requires) |
| 01:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Why is this broken? |
| 01:42.58 | Shirik | dunno |
| 01:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Why don't you reboot? |
| 01:43.03 | MentalPower | Shirik: I suspect you have bigger issues |
| 01:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Run the OS repair? |
| 01:43.11 | MentalPower | Shirik: are you a local admin? |
| 01:43.12 | Shirik | probably don't need os repair |
| 01:43.18 | Shirik | probably just need to reboot |
| 01:43.37 | Shirik | Last time I shut down my computer, my computer auto-hibernated during the shutdown |
| 01:43.44 | Shirik | so I think I started up in a half-shutdown state |
| 01:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... reboot |
| 01:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Press that little reset button |
| 01:43.54 | Lopeppeppy | Reboot a lot, dear. |
| 01:43.55 | Jamash | Issue: User is running Vista. Solution: format C: |
| 01:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Or yank the power cable |
| 01:44.05 | Shirik | Issue: Jamash is wrong. Solution: Stop assuming things. |
| 01:45.31 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 01:45.33 | Shirik | even alt-tab is broken |
| 01:45.41 | ScytheBlade1 | REBOOT |
| 01:46.21 | mikma | btw, NEVER add text in Windows XP boot legal notes haha |
| 01:46.33 | Jamash | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/02/09/ |
| 01:46.40 | mikma | i had "HAI LOL" -> "This is windowz" box that i had to accept before i could login |
| 01:46.59 | mikma | good thing i remembered where to modify it to go away |
| 01:48.18 | Jamash | I should modify my sister's computer so it boots into Ultima 7 |
| 01:48.29 | Jamash | "AVATAR!" |
| 01:50.50 | Shirik | computer also will not let me reboot apparently |
| 01:51.04 | Shirik | oh and now I can't click the start menu |
| 01:51.05 | Dagmar | There's usually little buttons on the case for that |
| 01:51.06 | Shirik | I do think I win |
| 01:51.38 | Jamash | time to hold down the power button |
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| 01:52.47 | mikma | ... |
| 01:52.55 | mikma | shirik is the worst windows-user, ever |
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| 01:55.43 | Shirik | so that was awesome |
| 01:56.01 | Shirik | When I shutdown I got like a million error messages |
| 01:56.07 | Shirik | about how too many files were open or something |
| 01:56.20 | Jamash | I hope you have backups in case the OS is about to implode |
| 01:56.29 | Shirik | no point in backing up what's on my computer |
| 01:58.29 | mikma | shirik: <0452> <mikma> shirik is the worst windows-user, ever |
| 01:58.34 | Shirik | :< |
| 01:58.39 | Shirik | isn't that a good thing? |
| 01:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | adores Shirik. |
| 01:59.01 | mikma | shirik: yes, yes it is. |
| 01:59.55 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy |
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| 02:03.14 | mikma | http://notalwaysright.com/belaboring-the-obvious/129 |
| 02:03.19 | mikma | now that's plausible |
| 02:05.25 | batrick | pukes. |
| 02:07.17 | mikma | oh, you had tortillas? |
| 02:13.17 | Lopeppeppy | What for poke? |
| 02:13.19 | Lopeppeppy | I was being good. |
| 02:15.08 | |Jelly| | pokes and tickles Peppy. |
| 02:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | Is not nice to tickle when I'm sleepy |
| 02:19.55 | mikma | this is tekkub, minus the two kids: http://notalwaysright.com/of-all-the-moments-for-freud-to-slip/164 |
| 02:20.57 | Lopeppeppy | "Reeses penis sundae" at Friendly's. Priceless |
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| 02:29.42 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474243199&sid=1 |
| 02:30.11 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy? |
| 02:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yes dear? |
| 02:30.44 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 02:30.51 | Cairenn | (just checked that last link) |
| 02:30.52 | alestane | Cairenn: Here, have a beatstick. |
| 02:31.07 | Lopeppeppy | I know Cairenn. But Slouken will pin my ears back if I bite the sheeple |
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| 02:31.14 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:31.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 02:31.29 | kd3 | sigh |
| 02:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yay, i somehow managed to lose at least part of my x-chat config. fuck me. |
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| 02:34.33 | kd3 | la-de-da... log in to report a troll... tab back away from the forums |
| 02:34.55 | Dagmar | You couldn't do that without looking at the window? |
| 02:35.15 | Dagmar | I mean, you can't swing a cat in there without hitting a troll, so the odds are good that any random posting is probably reportable. |
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| 03:18.09 | Syzgyn | I need to trade out a glyph on my mage for living bomb, and cant decide D: |
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| 03:20.18 | mikma | go with the cool million |
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| 03:22.44 | AbsolutRayne | Oh Recount, I hate you so much. |
| 03:24.10 | AbsolutRayne | Also, I think my Graphics cards going to die on me. |
| 03:25.59 | mikma | absolutrayne: yes, i hate recount too. |
| 03:26.14 | mikma | 1 naxx25 run and memory used? 38mb |
| 03:26.58 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: I cant load WoW without it crashing atm |
| 03:27.09 | AbsolutRayne | load it with WoW* |
| 03:27.22 | mikma | no wonder |
| 03:27.24 | AbsolutRayne | Also, my card just displayed some nice bursting textures on me |
| 03:27.33 | Dagmar | Might wanna start with memtest86 |
| 03:28.06 | mikma | if you havent cleared the db.... |
| 03:28.07 | Dagmar | I've not found a good video card testing utility (that wasn't just drawing a bunch of freaking polygons and expecting you to look at them and not miss anything) since like 1998 |
| 03:28.36 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: and I cant clear it cause it wont log me in without crashing! |
| 03:28.38 | AbsolutRayne | :D |
| 03:29.28 | NightHawkTheSane | nuke your SVs |
| 03:29.33 | AbsolutRayne | Well it did it a few mins ago |
| 03:29.36 | AbsolutRayne | doesnt seem to be doing it now |
| 03:29.41 | mikma | absolutrayne: yeah, and if it was on when you raided.... |
| 03:29.51 | mikma | it'll still use the 38mb hehe |
| 03:29.56 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah, I did a full 10M Naxx |
| 03:30.16 | AbsolutRayne | 2 Healed it with my wife on her Shaman. Was quite interesting. |
| 03:30.59 | AbsolutRayne | Considering my Druids gear level O_o |
| 03:31.03 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:31.38 | kd3 | digg: Hello Kitty Defiles All of Beer-kind -- "There's a Hello Kitty everything," but that doesn't mean there should be a Hello Kitty BEER, for the love of god. |
| 03:31.53 | Jamash | I don't see why not |
| 03:32.45 | Dagmar | There's Hello Kitty dildoes for pete's sake |
| 03:32.52 | Dagmar | Beer is far from some final frontier |
| 03:33.41 | Esamynn | Dagmar: there are some facts you should just keep to yourself... |
| 03:36.07 | AbsolutRayne | Kay....mounted Memtest, nothing happened. O_o |
| 03:39.38 | Dagmar | Hey I'm not the one selling them in Japantown, SF next to a bunch of geek-attracting cell phoens |
| 03:45.25 | Jamash | http://onastick.net/sitz/images/HK40K.jpg |
| 03:47.34 | mikma | hello kitty baseball-bat |
| 03:50.36 | Jamash | my imp has better stats than my level 12 warlock O_o |
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| 03:53.10 | mikma | jamash: yeah, and felguard has better stats than my lvl65 lock ,) |
| 03:53.29 | Jamash | yeah, but... he's an /imp/ |
| 03:53.38 | Dagmar | So let him tank then |
| 03:55.55 | mikma | imp kicks ass |
| 03:56.28 | mikma | i am really, really happy with demonology spec now |
| 03:56.40 | mikma | used to have fwlhunter and i draintanked |
| 04:03.47 | Jamash | I'm also quite happy with the changes they've made to locks |
| 04:04.20 | Jamash | I'm affliction 4 lyfe though |
| 04:07.00 | mikma | i thought so too, to lvl61 |
| 04:07.19 | mikma | killing mobs is much faster and downtime is 0 |
| 04:08.04 | Cairenn | pokes [Ammo] with a http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6949-oRA2.html |
| 04:09.03 | mikma | cairenn: [X] lightweight |
| 04:09.07 | mikma | bingo goes well |
| 04:09.15 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:10.03 | Jamash | My addon is lightweight and flexible, both floating in a fashion similar to a butterfly and stinging in a manner analogous to a bee. |
| 04:11.03 | mikma | shadowed: flexible to the list |
| 04:11.24 | Shadowed | That puts us at what, 8 I think? |
| 04:11.58 | mikma | hmm ya, 7 |
| 04:12.00 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12811-Reflux.html |
| 04:12.07 | mikma | that one meets atleast 3 |
| 04:12.48 | mikma | yeah, 3 in one page =D |
| 04:13.09 | Shirik | Please arrive at 8:30 at <Address>, fondly known as the IHOP building. You will need to sign in at the front desk upon arrival. There you will receive a visitors badge until an employee badge is created for you. |
| 04:13.16 | Shirik | Why would you call your building the "IHOP Building" o.o |
| 04:13.26 | Jamash | because it looks like a pancake? |
| 04:13.30 | Dagmar | Becuause there used to be an IHOP in it |
| 04:14.08 | mikma | shadowed: i forgot the words already, i am trying to list them... |
| 04:14.18 | Jamash | add "basic" and "beta" |
| 04:15.16 | NightHawkTheSane | how much of a jackass am i if I massively underprice glyphs on the ah, just to make sure no one else makes a profit? >.> |
| 04:15.30 | Jamash | this much |--------------------------| |
| 04:15.34 | NightHawkTheSane | cool |
| 04:15.53 | mikma | more |
| 04:16.03 | mikma | i hate you and you should be shot. |
| 04:16.26 | mikma | my wife has a competitor like that... |
| 04:16.29 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: *shrug* i got fed up with some jackass cancelling his auctions and reposting them a few gold below mine. |
| 04:16.45 | mikma | she puts glyph 250g, the undercutter puts 40g |
| 04:16.46 | NightHawkTheSane | So i just went nuclear and priced my glyphs at about 35g. |
| 04:17.02 | mikma | its you! |
| 04:17.08 | mikma | isn't it? |
| 04:17.15 | Dagmar | How much is the materials cost on those glyphs? |
| 04:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | not unless she's "hordeseller" on whisperwind? :P |
| 04:17.31 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: nope =) |
| 04:17.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: trivial, typical glyph cost, 1 ink, one parchment |
| 04:17.38 | Jamash | materials cost on glyphs is flumpence |
| 04:17.40 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: then it's not me ;) |
| 04:17.44 | Dagmar | So WTF is with asking a zillion percent profit? |
| 04:17.44 | Arrowmaster | theres a guy on my server that purposely floods the market with cheap gems and glyphs |
| 04:18.01 | Arrowmaster | all glyphs post 3.1 for 20g |
| 04:18.02 | Jamash | Dagmar: Because some of the glyph recipes are still rare |
| 04:18.21 | Dagmar | Apaprently not *that* rare if someone's listing them for 40g |
| 04:18.27 | Dagmar | ...and probably selling a dozen a day |
| 04:18.32 | Dagmar | Do the math on that |
| 04:18.42 | tekkub | damn bottle of contact solution musta been packed at sealevel |
| 04:18.51 | tekkub | it came all over me when I opened it |
| 04:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: if you're the only one on your faction that can make a glyph.. :P |
| 04:19.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah the guy on my server floods the market making a low profit per sale but makes up for it in a huge amount of sales |
| 04:19.05 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: it was just aroused by you. |
| 04:19.18 | Dagmar | I pulll sneaky stunts like that... I'll leave a market alone for two weeks, and then start undercutting the people trying for 250% of materials cost |
| 04:19.38 | Dagmar | ...and I'll list *one* item at a time, and then watch it carefully. The moment it's bought I list another, and another, and anotehr, and another. |
| 04:19.57 | mikma | tekkub: so how does that differ from normal day then? i bet you get stuff on you all the time |
| 04:19.58 | Dagmar | The people overcharging have no idea I just made three times the profit they were aiming for |
| 04:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont mind charging absurd amounts, i just dont want to play stupid AH games. If I'm reposting my auctions more than once, I just try and unload them |
| 04:20.04 | tekkub | OCD auctionizer |
| 04:20.31 | tekkub | I just repost at 12hr, undercutting whatever is there |
| 04:20.36 | tekkub | relist till sold |
| 04:20.49 | tekkub | restock the items that sold every so often, usually before the weekend |
| 04:21.14 | tekkub | I try to ride out the weekend without buying mats unless they're reasonable |
| 04:21.15 | Dagmar | I list things for a profit, a rather steady profit based on what I paid for the materials. |
| 04:21.29 | Dagmar | Huh? That's about hte ebest time to buy them |
| 04:21.36 | tekkub | I just craft what's profitable at the moment |
| 04:21.46 | tekkub | if they undercut too low when they don't sell, fine |
| 04:21.52 | Dagmar | By Wednesday the lame-ass speculators have cleaned out the whole lower third of materials and relisted them |
| 04:21.56 | mikma | oh... |
| 04:22.04 | tekkub | NutCounter tells me how often they sell, so in the future I craft fewer of em |
| 04:22.10 | Dagmar | I grab my materials late weekend nights, mainly Saturday and Sunday |
| 04:22.17 | mikma | my wife told me she had a glyph on sale for 1g 30s / 1g 80s |
| 04:22.26 | mikma | someone had bid on the glyph |
| 04:22.40 | mikma | she removed the glyph... and mailed it to the bidder |
| 04:22.42 | tekkub | I wish they'd just get rid of bids |
| 04:22.49 | Dagmar | Bids work |
| 04:23.04 | Dagmar | People do get my stuff at bid price about 1/5 of the time |
| 04:23.06 | tekkub | okey rephrash |
| 04:23.13 | tekkub | I wish they'd force buyout prices |
| 04:23.21 | Dagmar | Yeah definitely |
| 04:23.57 | mikma | ah accessible anywhere + improved bidding |
| 04:24.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i wish it wasn't a free market |
| 04:24.11 | Dagmar | Unlimited shilling |
| 04:24.21 | tekkub | accessible anywhere would be bad |
| 04:24.26 | mikma | like "this is the max price i will pay, use auto-raise" |
| 04:24.33 | tekkub | I could see letting people BUY from anywhere |
| 04:24.36 | Dagmar | ...and having to stand around in the AH is probably the only reason we don't see more bid camping addons |
| 04:24.42 | tekkub | but still force them to go to town to list items |
| 04:24.53 | Dagmar | If folks could buy from anywhere, you'd see a very hugh uptick in the number of bid prices being sniped |
| 04:25.00 | Dagmar | s/hugh/huge/; |
| 04:25.14 | tekkub | we don't see bid campers because bidding requires a hardware event |
| 04:25.17 | tekkub | thank god |
| 04:25.18 | mikma | tekkub: that wouldnt work then |
| 04:25.27 | mikma | cause the lists would be outdated fast |
| 04:25.35 | Dagmar | tekkub: It's not exactly hard to pop up a dialog saying "Click here quick!" |
| 04:25.50 | tekkub | and that's EXACTLY what btmscanner does |
| 04:25.50 | Dagmar | AUctioneer already basically does it |
| 04:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | "did", didn't they remove/discontinue btmscanner? |
| 04:26.15 | Dagmar | They did, at Blizz's request IIRC |
| 04:26.23 | tekkub | they removed the auto-buying one |
| 04:26.28 | Dagmar | You can use a general scan still for that |
| 04:26.33 | tekkub | and replaced it with the popup user input |
| 04:26.43 | tekkub | but then blizzy put in a hardware event as well |
| 04:28.12 | Dagmar | You'd probably never win a bid again if htey allowed the AH to be accessed in realtime from anywhere |
| 04:28.46 | mikma | well auction is auctiin! |
| 04:28.50 | mikma | tpyo! |
| 04:28.56 | mikma | needs to be intense |
| 04:29.14 | mikma | 150! 150! 160!! |
| 04:29.21 | Dagmar | No, the game needs to be intense, and not jsut serve as a vehicle for RMT people to generate fodder |
| 04:29.45 | Dagmar | Someone could poll the AH every few minutes and never have to stop farming for eternals |
| 04:29.59 | Dagmar | From that interval data, tehy could deduce pretty well when an auction would expire |
| 04:30.13 | mikma | accessible = buy, not sell |
| 04:30.24 | Adys | oh |
| 04:30.26 | Adys | I found kd2! |
| 04:30.28 | Dagmar | They wouldn't need to sell in realtime |
| 04:30.37 | Adys | now just kd1 left to find. |
| 04:30.46 | Dagmar | They could buy the stuff knowing they just sniped someone else's bid and then go relist it for that amount |
| 04:30.52 | mikma | is now known as kd1 |
| 04:30.56 | Dagmar | Someone was willing to bid that once, they'll probably be willing to do so again |
| 04:32.21 | Dagmar | If you wanted to do something useful to the AH, the thing to do would be to make any bid applied add ten minutes to the countdown timer |
| 04:32.36 | Dagmar | Maybe pad that with +/-60s at random |
| 04:32.55 | Dagmar | THEN people might stand there and actually compete with each other |
| 04:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn' |
| 04:33.06 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't it dothat already |
| 04:33.06 | mikma | imho, there should be a limit that you cant sell more that 3x of same item |
| 04:33.09 | Dagmar | nope |
| 04:33.21 | Dagmar | When the timer runs out, it runs out |
| 04:33.28 | mikma | fucking annoyed by the 1x dinfinite dust -sellers |
| 04:33.47 | Dagmar | mikma: I just refuse to buy their crap when they list stuff stupidly like that |
| 04:34.05 | mikma | same, glad they moved the page buttons to the top |
| 04:34.15 | mikma | next next next, buy a stack. thanks. |
| 04:34.24 | Dagmar | I'm not spending ten minutes clicking each bloody piece of borean leather when for a very small margin more I can nab three stacks |
| 04:34.49 | mikma | usually bigger stacks are cheaper, too |
| 04:35.07 | mikma | hmmm |
| 04:35.21 | mikma | addon that highlights the cheapest stack in the list |
| 04:35.22 | Dagmar | Last night I just send one particular idiot an offer to buy them COD if they'd send the damn things in full stacks |
| 04:35.34 | mikma | cheapest stack/item ... |
| 04:35.34 | Dagmar | You don't need a highlight, everything sorts |
| 04:35.53 | Dagmar | Get Auctioneer, click that little checkbox that says 'list prices per item' |
| 04:36.18 | mikma | i usually dont keep auctioneer installed =/ |
| 04:36.30 | Dagmar | Click the column heading until 'Buy each' appears and things are sorted in the right direction |
| 04:36.33 | mikma | i install it when i have shitloads of stuff to sell |
| 04:36.56 | Dagmar | It's been awhile since I've had *less* than shirtloads to sell at once. |
| 04:37.05 | mikma | "post" -> drag&drop -> "refrest" -> post =) |
| 04:37.16 | Dagmar | Mainly because I mail all my loot to one toon and then set aside an hour or two on Thu/Fri to list/de/vend it |
| 04:37.41 | Dagmar | Without batch posting, this small library of low-level enchants I have wowuld be unmanageable |
| 04:37.46 | mikma | i decided that i wont be dissing < wotlk items |
| 04:37.56 | mikma | i just vendor them all |
| 04:38.33 | Dagmar | I may have to make a darn inscriptionist to get enough freaking vellums tho |
| 04:41.01 | mikma | still there should be the max amount od same item posted |
| 04:41.20 | Dagmar | Miners would plotz |
| 04:41.56 | Dagmar | It would help if Auctioneer got a check that just warned people "Hey, listing 100 linen cloth one piece at a time is pretty stupid. Are you sure you want to make the entire server pissed at you?" |
| 04:41.56 | mikma | in the server whe i play this dude sells 10x for 7.99g, 15x for 8.99g and 5x for 9.99g. next seller has the glyph for 50g. |
| 04:42.19 | mikma | glyphs that is.. |
| 04:42.29 | Dagmar | mikma: That last guy would be the idiot thinking statistical analysis software pointed at the auction house won't just ignore outliers |
| 04:42.36 | mikma | sells glyphs for =/ |
| 04:43.46 | mikma | dagmar: what i meant was like "max of 5 stacks of 20x dust" |
| 04:43.48 | Shirik | lua> b=string.byte;function x(n) if n:match"[a-f]" then return b(n)-b'a'+10 else return b(n)-b('0')end end for h,l in ("446f6e27742074727920746f20746561636820612070696720 68 6f 77 20 74 6f 20 73 69 6e 67 3b 20 79 6f 75 27 6c 6c 20 77 61 73 74 65 20 79 6f 75 72 20 74 69 6d 65 20 61 6e 64 20 61 6e 6e 6f 79 20 74 68 65 20 70 69 67 2e"):gmatch("(%x)(%x)") do print(string.char(x(h)*16+x(l))) end |
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| 04:43.52 | Dagmar | wheee |
| 04:44.22 | Dagmar | I've got no problem if someone wants to sell a lot of stacks |
| 04:44.35 | Dagmar | I tend to _buy_ a lot of stacks |
| 04:44.37 | mikma | if you decide to put 5 stacks of 1x item... your loss |
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| 04:44.56 | Dagmar | I just won't buy something in singles when it can be stacked to 20 and I need 100 of them |
| 04:44.58 | mikma | shirik: hacker |
| 04:44.59 | Dagmar | Thsoe people can eff off |
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| 04:47.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Shirik |
| 04:47.03 | purl | judo chops Shirik |
| 04:47.11 | mikma | shirik: please tell me you are ripping some obfucked addon apart |
| 04:47.17 | Shirik | lol no |
| 04:47.23 | Shirik | It was someone's signature |
| 04:47.32 | mikma | wasted |
| 04:47.55 | mikma | you need to be like shadowed! everything not readable is a challenge |
| 04:48.53 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:49.00 | Wobin | well that was my first encounter into Ulduar |
| 04:49.15 | mikma | which one won? |
| 04:49.34 | Wobin | Auriaya and Razorscale |
| 04:49.39 | Wobin | we killed kologan |
| 04:49.59 | Wobin | unfortunately, at this time of day, my latency to the vent server is about 10 seconds |
| 04:50.21 | Wobin | so it makes fast notification ... difficult |
| 04:50.38 | mikma | wobin: http://animosityguild.com/news_pics/iron10.jpg <- my char Bani is in both pictures =) |
| 04:53.58 | mikma | oh, we 9manned iron counsil with 3 secs to enrage |
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| 04:54.31 | Wobin | I found it quite enjoyable, learning the encounters |
| 04:54.44 | mikma | ya |
| 04:54.50 | Wobin | although I'd've preferred less latency on vent =( |
| 04:55.00 | Wobin | 10 to 20 seconds is ridiculous |
| 04:55.21 | mikma | was interesting for me too, atleast in iron counsil.. |
| 04:55.22 | Wobin | esp as a tank |
| 04:55.39 | mikma | i had to make sure the dorf stays out of the rune |
| 04:55.49 | mikma | and interrupt his lightning whirl |
| 04:56.03 | Wobin | goddamn lighting whirl =( |
| 04:56.24 | Wobin | I swear, we got Sentinels on every single spawn, that last try on Razorscale |
| 04:56.32 | Wobin | worst RNG ever |
| 04:56.45 | mikma | =/ |
| 04:57.00 | Wobin | and I kept getting confused by our boomkin's moonfire, and Razorscale's fireball >< |
| 04:57.04 | mikma | we skipped razorscale and ignis masturbator |
| 04:57.07 | Wobin | "zomg light from the sky! mooove!" |
| 04:57.47 | mikma | went to learn new bosses.. they hijacked me in the officers -learning raid hehe |
| 04:57.51 | Wobin | Auriaya... well, if we made it through the initial pounce, we were kinda alright |
| 04:58.10 | mikma | simple boss in 10man |
| 04:58.10 | Wobin | but damn those random pounces hurt the healers =( |
| 04:58.26 | mikma | yes, you need to be stacked with tremor totem |
| 04:58.33 | Wobin | alas, no shammy |
| 04:58.38 | mikma | ouuuuuuch! |
| 04:58.42 | Wobin | yeah =\ |
| 04:59.01 | mikma | no wonder you hate the lightning whirl |
| 04:59.32 | Wobin | hehe, the trash just before Auriaya is almost as hard as she is =) |
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| 05:01.02 | mikma | the auriaya fight was pretty simple when people realized they really really need to stack |
| 05:01.27 | mikma | kitties didnt jump etc |
| 05:02.16 | mikma | we had to stop at hodir, best try was 25% where 2 were dead almost whole fight (me and mage) |
| 05:03.51 | Wobin | hehe I even tried a Army of the Dead pull |
| 05:04.02 | Wobin | however, it's always amusing when I cause a wipe |
| 05:04.10 | Wobin | cause they claim it's "Death by Snuusnu" |
| 05:05.09 | Wobin | I think next time I'll suggest we pile up. Cause generally we had the dps to get the cats down before the fear, it was just random pounces before that killing healers that caused problems |
| 05:06.18 | mikma | wobin: coolest way to die, just ask fry, zap and kip |
| 05:06.51 | mikma | wobin: oiling up really works. the kitties wont jump anywhere |
| 05:06.57 | mikma | piling works too |
| 05:07.02 | Wobin | >< |
| 05:07.09 | Wobin | I was wondering where the oil came from =P |
| 05:07.26 | Shirik | mikma: So they don't jump if you stand on top of each other? |
| 05:07.27 | mikma | they jump if their range is 10 over to the target or so |
| 05:07.29 | Wobin | (were they going to slip and slide?) |
| 05:07.42 | mikma | shirik: nope, they just keep on pounding tank |
| 05:08.18 | mikma | then theres easy to just aoe *everything* |
| 05:08.31 | mikma | chainlightning jumps to boss... |
| 05:08.37 | mikma | tnunderstorm reaches both |
| 05:08.50 | mikma | hell, too much typos |
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| 05:09.33 | mikma | we did it so, that when the cats died we took her for a ride, around the corner |
| 05:09.57 | mikma | then we were oor from the kitties and they didnt jump on us after they resurrected |
| 05:10.11 | mikma | oos/oor |
| 05:10.54 | End | what the hell |
| 05:11.08 | End | my mage has 0 talent points spent, and 0 unspent points |
| 05:11.11 | End | and he's level 70 |
| 05:11.22 | mikma | gz |
| 05:11.31 | End | and he doesn't have dual spec either :P |
| 05:11.49 | mikma | ss please! |
| 05:12.29 | End | that'd take 3 screenshots! |
| 05:12.37 | mikma | go on |
| 05:12.57 | airtonix | how to ignore people on irc? im recieving spam adverts now |
| 05:13.06 | airtonix | preferably by ip |
| 05:13.06 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.16 | mikma | well |
| 05:13.31 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.35 | airtonix | from this person : (n=ircap@m85-94-175-106.andorpac.ad): IRcap[8.4] • www.ircap.com |
| 05:13.49 | airtonix | person/bot |
| 05:13.53 | airtonix | thing |
| 05:14.12 | mikma | then go /ignore *!*@*.andorpac.ad |
| 05:15.08 | mikma | in irssi you most likely need/want to add 'all' at the end |
| 05:15.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Nechckn_AFK (n=N@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Admin/Nechckn) |
| 05:15.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Nechckn_AFK] by ChanServ |
| 05:15.21 | airtonix | using xchat |
| 05:15.28 | airtonix | but i assume its similar |
| 05:15.31 | mikma | then go without |
| 05:15.38 | mikma | yeah |
| 05:15.54 | mikma | you can specify the types of connections to ignore |
| 05:16.05 | airtonix | ok xchat required the all option |
| 05:16.10 | airtonix | or type |
| 05:16.14 | mikma | ctcp/dcc/notice/msg/public |
| 05:17.10 | Jamash | is there a way to merge two tables in Lua without iterating through one and doing table.insert on the other? |
| 05:17.50 | mikma | !google lua join tables |
| 05:17.51 | batbot | mikma: table.join -> string.split? <http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2002-11/msg00147.html> |
| 05:18.35 | Jamash | bzzt, wrong |
| 05:19.31 | mikma | hahaa! irssi'¤s ignore help tells us how to ignore annoying public aways |
| 05:19.40 | Jamash | meh, silly scalar languages |
| 05:19.46 | Shirik | Jamash: Define "merge two tables" |
| 05:19.58 | Shirik | Can you get away with a delayed write? |
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| 05:20.25 | mikma | ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ oh why it has to be on that keycombo |
| 05:20.36 | Jamash | €€€€€€€€€ |
| 05:20.39 | Lukian | mikma,lol that's awesome documentation :D |
| 05:20.55 | Shirik | Jamash: Furthermore, will the original two tables change after the merge? |
| 05:21.08 | Shirik | There's a lot of O(1) ways to do it if you can make some sacrifices |
| 05:21.21 | mikma | lukian: you need them in freenode! this is the promised land of awaynicks |
| 05:21.34 | Jamash | Shirik: I want to do the equivalent of Perl @c = (@a, @b) |
| 05:21.39 | Shirik | I don't know perl |
| 05:21.47 | Jamash | well, you should |
| 05:21.50 | Jamash | :P |
| 05:22.00 | mikma | no, you shouldn't |
| 05:22.05 | Shirik | However, you can do a write-back table merge |
| 05:22.09 | Jamash | a what |
| 05:22.13 | mikma | now, pich which one to believe |
| 05:22.29 | Shirik | let us assume the pseudocode c = a + b where a and b are tables |
| 05:22.36 | Shirik | c starts off empty |
| 05:22.38 | Wobin | a union of said tables? |
| 05:22.44 | Zyndrome | spins |
| 05:22.45 | Shirik | when you access c[1] it looks at a[1] and b[1] |
| 05:22.54 | Shirik | if either exists then it fills in c and gives you the result |
| 05:22.59 | Shirik | future accesses just pull it from c |
| 05:23.05 | mikma | ~8ball is shirik nuts? |
| 05:23.06 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 05:23.07 | Wobin | metatable? |
| 05:23.13 | Jamash | I don't need metatable hackery I just want to append one table to another :-| |
| 05:23.20 | Shirik | Penalty: If a or b is modified after the merge, c can reflect the changed |
| 05:23.27 | Wobin | to which table is priority given? |
| 05:23.28 | Shirik | Jamash: Well, do you want it fast, or do you want it correct? |
| 05:23.37 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 05:23.37 | Shirik | Wobin: depends on how you code it :) |
| 05:23.55 | Wobin | or rather, how would you avoid it occuring, where it picks one over the other? |
| 05:24.06 | Jamash | I'm dealing with tables with ~100 elements |
| 05:24.11 | Shirik | make sure both your tables don't have duplicates Wobin :) |
| 05:24.13 | Jamash | it's not that big a performance issue |
| 05:24.20 | Shirik | depends on how much you're doing it |
| 05:24.33 | Wobin | Shirik: if I see c = a + b, I kinda assume that a + b is a union |
| 05:24.35 | mikma | jamash: and more than 60 upvalues? |
| 05:24.42 | Wobin | hehe |
| 05:24.49 | Shirik | to answer your question, the "correct" way of doing it is only doable with iterating over it |
| 05:24.49 | Jamash | lawl |
| 05:24.56 | Fisker- | :( |
| 05:25.00 | Fisker- | i hate you Shirik |
| 05:25.03 | Jamash | I want APL back |
| 05:25.05 | Shirik | However you can do it with a one-line metatable |
| 05:25.17 | mikma | ~Fisker--- |
| 05:25.22 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 05:25.38 | mikma | yw |
| 05:25.46 | Shirik | ~karma Fisker- |
| 05:25.46 | purl | fisker- has karma of -7 |
| 05:25.55 | Shirik | nah, Fisker- hasn't done anything to make me give him a -- today |
| 05:26.05 | Jamash | in APL I'd just say c <- a,b |
| 05:26.07 | mikma | he did |
| 05:26.12 | mikma | joined the channel! |
| 05:26.22 | Wobin | Shirik: something to the effect of if the index put in doesn't exist, return from table b[index-sizeofa]? |
| 05:26.22 | mikma | ~smite fisker- |
| 05:26.23 | purl | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves fisker- from crown to sole. |
| 05:26.37 | Shirik | Wobin o.O? |
| 05:26.55 | Wobin | metatabling a to tack b onto the end |
| 05:26.59 | Jamash | quick, someone find me an APL interpreter written in pure Lua |
| 05:27.05 | Shirik | I would have done something closer to this Wobin |
| 05:28.42 | Shirik | local marked = {}; c = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if marked[k] then return nil; end else c[k] = a[k] or b[k]; return rawget(c,k); end end}) |
| 05:28.52 | Shirik | this gives priority to a over b |
| 05:28.59 | Shirik | But I see what you're saying, if a and b are both arrays |
| 05:29.03 | Shirik | you want to concat them together? |
| 05:29.13 | Wobin | I suspect this is what Jamash is after |
| 05:29.26 | Shirik | local marked = {}; c = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if marked[k] then return nil; end else c[k] = a[k] or b[k-#a]; return rawget(c,k); end end}) |
| 05:29.31 | Wobin | yeah |
| 05:29.39 | Shirik | (You would have to assert that k is a number) |
| 05:29.53 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-66-7-239.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:30.01 | Shirik | oops, forgot to mark the marked table too, but yeah |
| 05:34.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (n=callahan@74-132-207-20.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:38.46 | Shirik | So I'm not sure if I'm reading this right |
| 05:38.47 | Shirik | but |
| 05:38.50 | Shirik | "SERPIN authenticated provisioning message: device installs the received configuration without performing any message authentication. PIN Code is never asked to user and is not required for completing the installation. The installation is correctly performed and the configuration is installed as default." |
| 05:39.06 | Shirik | Samsung phones can have their configuration changed just by a specially crafted text message |
| 05:39.14 | Torhal | ... |
| 05:39.15 | Torhal | Fail. |
| 05:42.15 | Zyndrome | how the hell |
| 05:42.30 | Shirik | I have no idea |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | Maybe Samsung phones allow vendors to transmit reconfiguration over SMS |
| 05:43.12 | Shirik | The official "description" of the vulnerability is: |
| 05:43.14 | Shirik | Affected devices do not perform proper authentication of incoming SMS |
| 05:43.14 | Shirik | Provisioning messages. |
| 05:43.32 | Torhal | I are in ur phone, haxxing ur numberz |
| 05:44.20 | Wobin | Kaelten: So someone wanted to claim ownership of an addon that wasn't theirs? |
| 05:44.28 | Kaelten | no not exactly |
| 05:44.52 | Kaelten | an author claimed another author ripped him off code wise. |
| 05:45.20 | Kaelten | When examined it was found that while there was a very similar code when it was first committed it had been completely rewritten. |
| 05:45.34 | Wobin | hm, that's a copyright issue though... isn't it? |
| 05:45.51 | Torhal | Kaelten: If I change all of the variable names, can I say Ackis wrote TwoBag? |
| 05:46.15 | Kaelten | Torhal: no :P, but the code changes in this case was much more significant than changing variable names |
| 05:46.27 | batrick | Shirik: chess? |
| 05:46.29 | Corrodias | ripped him off? for a free addon? |
| 05:46.31 | Shirik | uh sure |
| 05:46.32 | Kaelten | I thought it pointless to delete it and say "yeah, if you reuploaded it with a new name it'd be legit" |
| 05:46.35 | Shirik | but let's make it 30+0 |
| 05:46.37 | batrick | yes \o/ |
| 05:46.40 | batrick | kk |
| 05:46.40 | Shirik | how about 5+0? |
| 05:46.43 | Shirik | 5+5 |
| 05:46.47 | batrick | I prefer 30+5 |
| 05:46.57 | batrick | so that the lag doesn't rape you when low on time |
| 05:46.57 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:47.13 | Shirik | You know, one time I played a 30+0 game in person |
| 05:47.17 | Shirik | I was down to 10 seconds |
| 05:47.18 | Kaelten | Corrodias: well, I'm not getting into names, but some people are very unreasonable at times. |
| 05:47.23 | Shirik | And I was moving so fast, only had my king left |
| 05:47.31 | Shirik | And I got a stalemate out of it |
| 05:47.36 | batrick | nice! |
| 05:47.37 | Shirik | And my team won as a result |
| 05:47.41 | Shirik | I was so happy |
| 05:47.48 | Kaelten | Wobin: I refused to bow under his PR smeer campaign, and his attacks into my personal life. I'd not be suprised if it was him posting as an alt. |
| 05:47.53 | Shirik | the guy was pissed |
| 05:47.58 | Shirik | he made a stupid mistake and stalemated me |
| 05:48.30 | batrick | i'll host it, waiting for you to log in |
| 05:49.00 | Shirik | I'm in |
| 05:49.07 | batrick | mad |
| 05:49.08 | batrick | e |
| 05:49.25 | Shirik | did you challenge me? |
| 05:49.35 | batrick | just did |
| 05:49.36 | Kaelten | Wobin: His estimated earnings are way off too, lol |
| 05:49.41 | Shirik | wtf @ rated |
| 05:49.42 | Shirik | fu |
| 05:49.53 | batrick | y not |
| 05:49.54 | Kaelten | and our 'shady' address he mentioned is what happens when a company moves locations |
| 05:50.00 | batrick | i lost a bunch of games last night |
| 05:50.02 | Kaelten | lol |
| 05:50.47 | Wobin | Kaelten: hehe are you -in- the Offices of Consumer Action? =) |
| 05:51.05 | Kaelten | no, the montegomery street adress is our old offices |
| 05:51.16 | Kaelten | a small section of one floor of a 13 story building |
| 05:51.24 | Kaelten | who knows what all is in there |
| 05:51.36 | Kaelten | I never checked out anything other than our section of story 2 and the bathrooms |
| 05:51.53 | Kaelten | of course who knows what is in there now that we moved |
| 05:52.32 | Kaelten | I could respond to the guy, but I don't really think it'd do any good |
| 05:52.51 | Kaelten | I wish someone would mention that court case was dropped too, lol |
| 05:52.51 | Wobin | what is that courtcase he's waffling on about? |
| 05:53.15 | Kaelten | zam sued us for unfair competition saying that the design of wowdb caused brand confusion with wowhead |
| 05:53.31 | Kaelten | after some mediation the case was dropped |
| 05:54.03 | Kaelten | all in all a fairly standard scenario in the business world |
| 05:54.20 | Fisker- | YOU |
| 05:54.30 | Kaelten | hi fisk |
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| 06:00.33 | Kaelten | Wobin: lol, thanks bro, |
| 06:00.36 | Wobin | hehe =) |
| 06:01.23 | Kaelten | I also love "The place looks pretty expensive" Is he like going to our offices now, driving by at night? |
| 06:01.25 | Kaelten | lol |
| 06:01.30 | Wobin | I -know- =) |
| 06:01.45 | Wobin | Clearly you people are part of the mafia |
| 06:02.27 | Kaelten | indeed, if this had failed we were going to send little guido after wm's devs |
| 06:03.00 | Jamash | sign me up |
| 06:03.11 | Wobin | Hell, I'd do it for the airfare |
| 06:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ... is curse hiring hitmen positions? |
| 06:03.30 | Jamash | nah, not hitmen, just enforcers |
| 06:03.34 | Wobin | no no |
| 06:03.37 | Wobin | "Encouragers" |
| 06:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I can provide my own baseball bat. |
| 06:03.54 | Torhal | I thought Curse hired only Voodoo Witch Doctors...since they can curse... |
| 06:03.58 | Jamash | aluminum or wood? |
| 06:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Wood, of course. You really can't beat the feel of a nice wooden bat. Aluminum really doesn't have the same heft. |
| 06:04.29 | Jamash | I had an aluminum bat once but I'm not sure I still do |
| 06:04.40 | Jamash | I do have a six foot wooden staff I got at a convention |
| 06:05.00 | Wobin | I can bring kali sticks |
| 06:05.21 | Kaelten | Sorry experiance with thumbscrews is a requirement |
| 06:05.29 | Shirik | /tar batrick /tap |
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| 06:13.30 | Shirik | batrick? |
| 06:13.32 | Shirik | What was that |
| 06:13.47 | Shirik | position? |
| 06:14.09 | batrick | ? |
| 06:14.17 | Shirik | I'm not sure I understand that trade |
| 06:14.34 | batrick | i think it sums up to you losing the exchange |
| 06:14.47 | Jamash | wood for sheep, anyone? |
| 06:15.04 | Shirik | I don't see me losing the exchange |
| 06:15.08 | batrick | your pawn structure is fucked and i have better pieces |
| 06:15.18 | Shirik | my pawn structure has been fucked for a long time :P |
| 06:15.32 | batrick | your bishop is useless while mine is very good |
| 06:15.45 | batrick | and your knight and rook are not anywhere useful |
| 06:15.46 | Jamash | it's a +1 bishop |
| 06:15.58 | Shirik | I was hoping you would take the e.p. |
| 06:16.10 | batrick | e.p.? |
| 06:16.15 | Shirik | en passant |
| 06:16.22 | batrick | heh |
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| 06:20.28 | batrick | i had a beautiful trap to capture your queen |
| 06:20.38 | Shirik | but? |
| 06:20.43 | batrick | and then you had to fucking threaten might white square bishop |
| 06:20.51 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:20.53 | batrick | if i had tempo you would have lost her :) |
| 06:21.04 | batrick | threaten my* |
| 06:22.09 | Shirik | I think I'm playing too agressively |
| 06:22.13 | Shirik | I didn't use to be this aggressive |
| 06:22.35 | batrick | that was a silly move shirik |
| 06:22.38 | Shirik | oops |
| 06:22.41 | Shirik | I didn't see the check |
| 06:22.43 | Shirik | that was pretty fail |
| 06:22.44 | batrick | =) |
| 06:22.46 | batrick | lmao |
| 06:23.02 | batrick | rematch? |
| 06:23.15 | batrick | i need a 5 minute brb |
| 06:23.19 | batrick | kk? |
| 06:23.19 | Shirik | me too |
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| 06:24.13 | orionshock | Q: who do i PM to get a project of mine deleted? |
| 06:24.32 | Trela | On what web site? |
| 06:24.38 | Torhal | WoWI |
| 06:24.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:24.46 | Shirik | are you a mind reader? |
| 06:24.50 | Torhal | Yes |
| 06:24.55 | Shirik | then me |
| 06:24.56 | Torhal | Nah, he's a WoWAce guy :) |
| 06:25.08 | Torhal | Figured he only joined here to ask that :) |
| 06:26.04 | orionshock | ... i figured if i asked in here, it would be for wowi |
| 06:26.17 | orionshock | i know how to fix my projects on wowace |
| 06:26.22 | orionshock | :) |
| 06:26.25 | Shirik | give me a link |
| 06:26.29 | Shirik | and why you want it deleted |
| 06:26.36 | orionshock | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8904-GuildCraft.html |
| 06:26.53 | Shirik | you spelled updating wrong :P |
| 06:26.53 | orionshock | Shirik: i no longer update it on wowi and that file is months old and defunct |
| 06:27.36 | Shirik | done |
| 06:27.37 | Trela | This is technically a global community channel, apparently. |
| 06:28.10 | Jamash | but ace and curse have their own channels, so this is the WoWI channel sort of by default |
| 06:28.47 | orionshock | i figured the wowi admins would more likely be watching here than in the other 2 :) |
| 06:29.25 | orionshock | thx Shirik |
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| 06:31.51 | batrick | shirik you logged out! |
| 06:32.27 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:32.29 | Shirik | I want white |
| 06:32.35 | batrick | you can have it! |
| 06:32.39 | Shirik | but I hit challenge already |
| 06:32.41 | batrick | get ur ass back on |
| 06:32.43 | Shirik | so I couldn't find how to cancel |
| 06:33.29 | Shirik | batrick, is that move even in the enc. standard openings? |
| 06:33.40 | batrick | ya... |
| 06:33.45 | Shirik | Apparently it is, yes |
| 06:33.46 | batrick | i forget what it's called |
| 06:33.47 | Shirik | A43 |
| 06:33.50 | Shirik | "Old Benoni" |
| 06:34.02 | batrick | i dont study openings |
| 06:34.05 | batrick | at all |
| 06:34.06 | batrick | i rush to mid game |
| 06:34.09 | batrick | yayaya |
| 06:34.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:36.58 | Shirik | I don't understand that at all |
| 06:37.02 | Shirik | but I guess I'll figure it out later |
| 06:37.54 | Jamash | I like to turtle and tech up, then go out with four queens and two elephants |
| 06:38.03 | Shirik | ~lart Jamash |
| 06:38.03 | purl | shoves a crumpet down Jamash's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 06:38.26 | Jamash | probably deserved that. |
| 06:43.49 | Shirik | so like |
| 06:43.54 | Shirik | in the old days, did bishops really fight? |
| 06:44.03 | Shirik | they seem to be excellent fighters |
| 06:44.28 | Shirik | or cannibals |
| 06:44.32 | Shirik | not sure which |
| 06:49.06 | Shirik | batrick, this is a ticking time bomb |
| 06:49.25 | batrick | you're even right about the ticking part |
| 06:49.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:51.30 | Shirik | oh you suck batrick |
| 06:51.32 | Shirik | how am I supposed to castle now |
| 06:51.45 | batrick | you won't! mwahahahhaa |
| 06:55.09 | Shirik | FU BATRICK |
| 06:57.06 | tekkub | these contact lens instruction videos are retarded |
| 06:57.31 | tekkub | "okey what about someone whose fingers aren't as flexible" I think you mean SOMONE WITH FAT FINGERS |
| 06:57.32 | tekkub | :P |
| 06:57.39 | batrick | o that was dirty! |
| 06:58.44 | tekkub | "you must digitally clean them" lol |
| 06:58.58 | tekkub | that'll confuse people |
| 07:00.15 | batrick | shirik is a jerk |
| 07:00.18 | batrick | he took my bishop |
| 07:00.24 | batrick | he will take* |
| 07:00.33 | Shirik | I haven't decided on that yet |
| 07:00.40 | Shirik | This goes back to the "am I too aggressive" |
| 07:01.21 | Shirik | however there are significant pros to taking it |
| 07:01.31 | Shirik | things I don't like about it: Those knights were actually being rather effective |
| 07:02.32 | Fisker- | You're super ineffective! |
| 07:04.28 | Shirik | take the pawn at a2, batrick |
| 07:04.35 | Shirik | very good way to save your queen |
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| 07:09.26 | batrick | you're getting greedy shirik |
| 07:09.30 | Shirik | yes I am |
| 07:09.40 | Shirik | but I'm trying to be cautious |
| 07:10.23 | Jamash | woohoo, bullet point achieved |
| 07:10.35 | Jamash | o Macaroon support. |
| 07:11.14 | Jamash | only took about three days to write ten lines of code >.> |
| 07:13.59 | Shirik | do we really need to go in circles, batrick? |
| 07:14.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-40-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:20.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth_ (n=kalroth@2506ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 07:20.20 | batrick | Your knight is mine shirik |
| 07:20.28 | batrick | om nom nom nom |
| 07:20.37 | Shirik | not without a fight |
| 07:20.38 | Trela | OM NOM NOM NOM!~ |
| 07:21.04 | batrick | batbot: will Shirik lose his Knight without recompense? |
| 07:21.04 | batbot | batrick, As I see it, yes. |
| 07:21.45 | Shirik | batbot: are you sure? |
| 07:21.45 | batbot | Shirik, Are you kidding? |
| 07:22.03 | Shirik | batbot: Are you aware that you're dodging the question? |
| 07:22.03 | batbot | Shirik, Yes... Definitely. |
| 07:22.06 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 07:22.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Taroven_ (n=chatzill@HW-ESR1-208-102-197-5.fuse.net) |
| 07:25.10 | End | <3 batbot |
| 07:25.49 | Shirik | your turn to make a decision, batrick |
| 07:25.52 | Shirik | how badly do you want my knight |
| 07:25.54 | Ackis | Torhal|Away: eh what did I do wrong now? |
| 07:25.58 | batrick | I made my move! |
| 07:26.33 | Shirik | can't say I agreed with that |
| 07:26.41 | Shirik | but you tend to show me why a bit later |
| 07:27.40 | batrick | o mannnnn |
| 07:30.32 | batrick | zzz |
| 07:30.41 | Shirik | oops |
| 07:30.43 | Shirik | that was a misclick |
| 07:30.43 | Shirik | oh well |
| 07:31.12 | Shadowed | Shirik you want to move an addon out of the outdated category! |
| 07:31.17 | Shirik | after this game |
| 07:31.20 | Shirik | I'm running short on time |
| 07:31.35 | Shadowed | can just toss you a PM to remind you whenever you have time if you want |
| 07:31.53 | Shirik | batrick, that rook is right in the line of sight of your queen! |
| 07:31.54 | Shirik | Take it! |
| 07:32.11 | batrick | negative |
| 07:32.57 | batrick | ummm what? |
| 07:33.11 | Shirik | lol oops |
| 07:33.12 | Shirik | oh well |
| 07:33.19 | batrick | damn it shirik |
| 07:33.22 | batrick | you were doing so well too |
| 07:33.26 | Shirik | yeah :( |
| 07:34.39 | batrick | i beat an iranian yesterday shirik |
| 07:34.45 | batrick | does that make me a good american? |
| 07:35.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:35.06 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 07:37.25 | Shadowed | oh thats what you're running short on time in, are you beating random people in Chess? :p |
| 07:37.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:37.41 | Shirik | batrick, in particular |
| 07:37.47 | Shirik | except I made a stupid move and now he's ahead :( |
| 07:37.52 | Shirik | and I had him on the run too |
| 07:38.01 | Shirik | and an epic pawn structure |
| 07:38.24 | Shirik | and now there's one pawn with 4 pieces staring at it like "nom nom nom" |
| 07:38.41 | batrick | lmao |
| 07:38.50 | batrick | that pawn is super fucked |
| 07:40.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c136221.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:40.15 | batrick | it's funny because shirik has checkmate |
| 07:40.22 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 07:40.25 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 07:40.26 | Shirik | yes I do |
| 07:40.27 | batrick | you do |
| 07:40.35 | Shirik | I didn't see that |
| 07:40.37 | Shirik | it's kinda hidden |
| 07:40.44 | Shirik | not anymore though :P |
| 07:40.48 | batrick | =P |
| 07:46.55 | Fisker- | you! |
| 07:48.22 | batrick | ................. |
| 07:48.28 | batrick | good@! |
| 07:48.35 | Shirik | I was just double checking batrick |
| 07:48.39 | Shirik | before I did something stupid |
| 07:48.47 | batrick | lol |
| 07:48.56 | Shirik | gg :) |
| 07:49.01 | batrick | u2 |
| 07:49.12 | Shirik | wow that's a complicated line |
| 07:49.19 | Shirik | cxd8=Q++ |
| 07:49.32 | batrick | kinda annoyed by that outcome but o well |
| 07:49.37 | Shirik | why? |
| 07:49.52 | batrick | felt it shouldn't have happened |
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| 07:50.26 | batrick | I had a piece advantage but your bishop and queen were superbly placed |
| 07:50.41 | batrick | and you had a passed pawn that I thought I could deal with :P |
| 07:51.10 | Shirik | yeah that passed pawn worked out a lot better for me than I thought it would |
| 07:51.17 | Fisker- | hits batrick with a bat |
| 07:51.22 | batrick | passed pawns always win games like that |
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| 07:54.33 | Kazie | Anyone know if there has been a succesor or alike for CooldownButtons? |
| 07:55.49 | Shirik | for my logs! http://wowi.pastey.net/113030-3yyc |
| 07:56.17 | Shirik | I still don't understand that opening, batrick |
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| 07:57.43 | Cairenn | Shadowed: moved :) |
| 07:57.52 | Shadowed | oh figured you were asleep, thanks |
| 07:57.53 | Shirik | oh sure |
| 07:57.54 | Shirik | Shadowed |
| 07:57.56 | Shirik | don't ask me |
| 07:57.57 | orionshock | anyone versed in the WoWIUploader program by Shadowed? im having a problem on Ubuntu where it won't find the svn program |
| 07:57.59 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 07:58.03 | Shadowed | I did asked you |
| 07:58.08 | Shirik | no |
| 07:58.09 | Cairenn | rofl, orionshock |
| 07:58.11 | Shirik | you just said you wanted to move |
| 07:58.11 | orionshock | ... speaking of.. |
| 07:58.11 | Shadowed | you said you were busy beating batrick! |
| 07:58.17 | Shirik | you said you were going to PM me! |
| 07:58.24 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: is it installed? |
| 07:58.27 | orionshock | yes |
| 07:58.33 | Shadowed | that was an implied question Shirik, even if I didn't put a question mark! |
| 07:58.40 | Shadowed | use uh |
| 07:59.00 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: when i use svn at the terminal it tells me to use -help for more, so i can assume that it's installed |
| 07:59.16 | airtonix | orionshock, use nautliusSVN |
| 07:59.25 | Shadowed | I can't even remember the commands anymore |
| 07:59.27 | Shirik | you aren't answering the question that was asked, airtonix |
| 07:59.31 | Shirik | orionshock: What's the problem? |
| 07:59.42 | Shirik | when you run his program it spits back svn not found? |
| 07:59.50 | Shadowed | Use -svn "<path>" to the svn command line |
| 07:59.57 | Shadowed | if you don't have the "svn" binding installed for some reason |
| 08:00.17 | airtonix | binding as in global enviroment variable? |
| 08:00.17 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.28 | Shadowed | well your first problem is |
| 08:00.31 | Shadowed | you have no such file or directory |
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| 08:00.37 | orionshock | even if i don't add a -svn "/usr/bin/svn" -- with or with out quotes it dosn't work |
| 08:00.51 | orionshock | but if i do " /urs/bin/svn " it acts like it's installed there |
| 08:00.54 | Shirik | Shadowed? |
| 08:01.05 | Shirik | java.io.IOException is not what occurs when a file is not found |
| 08:01.11 | airtonix | 2$ whereis svn ; svn: /usr/bin/svn /usr/share/man/man1/svn.1.gz |
| 08:01.15 | Shirik | are you sure you didn't trap something that LOOKS like a "not found" but isn't? |
| 08:01.18 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 08:01.19 | Shadowed | maybe |
| 08:01.26 | Shirik | I don't know how you caught your errors |
| 08:01.27 | Shadowed | lesse |
| 08:01.33 | Shadowed | I don't either |
| 08:01.33 | Shirik | but it should be a java.io.FileNotFoundException |
| 08:01.35 | Shadowed | I wrote that like a year ago |
| 08:01.42 | Shadowed | with ducktape |
| 08:01.44 | Shirik | which, admittedly, is derived from IOException |
| 08:01.45 | Shadowed | (and magic) |
| 08:01.59 | Shirik | but if you're using exception.toString() shouldn't output that message |
| 08:02.23 | Shadowed | It' |
| 08:02.31 | Shadowed | It's catching FNFE first if it can, then IOE if it's not that |
| 08:02.36 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474153521&sid=1 |
| 08:02.37 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: `which svn` and tell me the output |
| 08:02.38 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 08:02.55 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: /usr/bin/svn |
| 08:03.07 | orionshock | i can provide the stack trace Shadowed / Shirik |
| 08:03.08 | Shadowed | er wait |
| 08:03.13 | Arrowmaster | thats just fucked up |
| 08:03.37 | Shadowed | well first |
| 08:03.48 | Shadowed | just using /usr/bin/svn log <blah> works fine right? |
| 08:04.00 | orionshock | yes |
| 08:04.59 | orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.20 | Shirik | that's an interesting point |
| 08:05.37 | Shirik | what does `ls -l /usr/bin | grep svn` say? |
| 08:05.39 | Shadowed | Shirik: It might be different in Linux or something odd, but it shouldn't even get to IOException, should simply say that the command errored when it ran |
| 08:06.26 | airtonix | checkinstall/ etc etc , has always installed the svn binary under /usr/bin since warty |
| 08:06.35 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:06.41 | airtonix | ergo its not a link |
| 08:06.42 | orionshock | Shirik: the usual, svn programs |
| 08:06.50 | Shirik | orionshock: Show me |
| 08:06.54 | Arrowmaster | ignore what shirik said and just run `ls -l /usr/bin/svn` |
| 08:07.01 | Shirik | can you do that? |
| 08:07.05 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 08:07.11 | Shirik | It won't follow a link if it's there? |
| 08:07.16 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:07.24 | Shirik | Well I just like pipes |
| 08:07.36 | orionshock | Shirik: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113032 |
| 08:07.39 | Shirik | people get mad at me for cat file | grep all the time too |
| 08:08.29 | Shirik | ok now do chmod u+s /usr/bin/svn |
| 08:08.40 | Shirik | no don't do that :P |
| 08:08.41 | airtonix | you need sudo |
| 08:08.45 | airtonix | and yes dont |
| 08:08.46 | orionshock | ... |
| 08:09.12 | orionshock | looks up what u+s does... |
| 08:09.25 | Shirik | suid |
| 08:09.57 | Arrowmaster | orionshock: so it errors the same way even if you dont add -svn to the cmd line for the updater? |
| 08:09.59 | Shirik | whenever someone executes the program, no matter who they are, the program will be run as the owner of the program, i.e., root |
| 08:10.00 | orionshock | so am i crazy, or did i find something overlooked ? |
| 08:10.24 | Shirik | (assuming they have rights to execute it) |
| 08:10.33 | airtonix | which you do |
| 08:10.35 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: w/o -svn i get >> java.io.IOException: Cannot run program ""svn"": java.io.IOException: error=2, No such file or directory << |
| 08:10.41 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: When -svn isn't used it'll just default to svn log <blah>, -svn <path> makes it do <path> log <blah> |
| 08:10.51 | Shadowed | actually I wonder |
| 08:10.56 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 08:11.10 | Arrowmaster | sounds like that program is just fucking broken on linux |
| 08:11.24 | Shadowed | Wrapping a quotes in command in Linux not work maybe? |
| 08:11.24 | Shirik | orionshock: What's the stack trace? |
| 08:11.26 | Shadowed | "svn" |
| 08:11.27 | orionshock | i get this eeking feeling that it's over escaping the command input. |
| 08:11.29 | Shadowed | vs svn |
| 08:11.36 | airtonix | you dont wrap with "" |
| 08:11.38 | airtonix | ` ` |
| 08:11.44 | airtonix | backticks instead |
| 08:11.45 | Shirik | airtonix.... |
| 08:11.48 | Shirik | no |
| 08:11.54 | orionshock | w/o -svn |
| 08:11.55 | orionshock | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/113033 |
| 08:11.56 | Shirik | backticks do something entirely different |
| 08:12.07 | Shadowed | Don't backticks execute the content or something |
| 08:12.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:12.19 | batrick | backticks are equivalent to R() |
| 08:12.21 | batrick | err |
| 08:12.23 | batrick | $() ** |
| 08:12.24 | Shirik | $() |
| 08:12.35 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: the double quotes in the error messages make me thing that it is sending "svn" as the command name instead of svn |
| 08:12.42 | orionshock | ^^ |
| 08:12.44 | Shadowed | It is |
| 08:12.48 | Arrowmaster | which is wrong |
| 08:12.53 | Shadowed | Not in Windows! |
| 08:12.57 | orionshock | lol |
| 08:12.58 | Shirik | ~lart Shadowed |
| 08:12.58 | purl | stuffs Shadowed into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 08:13.10 | Arrowmaster | sorry we are using real shells here |
| 08:13.18 | Shadowed | told you, this is basically held together with duck tape and magic |
| 08:13.30 | Shirik | I'm using pistashio |
| 08:13.33 | Shirik | or however you spell it |
| 08:13.37 | Shadowed | although I don't remember why it has quotes wrapped around it |
| 08:13.37 | Shirik | that would be a great name for a shell imo |
| 08:13.38 | Jamash | no indeed |
| 08:13.42 | Shadowed | oh right |
| 08:13.53 | Shirik | Shadowed: Program Files? |
| 08:13.55 | orionshock | Shadowed: i believe the response would be "well time for more pixie dust" |
| 08:13.56 | Shadowed | yea |
| 08:13.57 | Shadowed | thats why Shirik |
| 08:14.02 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: because windows cant handle paths with spaces in them |
| 08:14.06 | Shirik | wtf are you using to spawn the process? |
| 08:14.10 | Shirik | Java takes care of this magic for you |
| 08:14.11 | Shadowed | thats a good question |
| 08:14.18 | Shadowed | ProcessBuilder it looks like |
| 08:14.31 | Shadowed | ProcessBuilder + string array |
| 08:14.47 | orionshock | Shirik: was that question pointed at me? |
| 08:14.52 | Shirik | no |
| 08:18.31 | Jamash | "\"" + SVN_CMD_PATH + "\"" |
| 08:18.33 | Jamash | oy |
| 08:18.59 | Jamash | this is why sending stuff through the shell is bad |
| 08:19.22 | Fisker- | looks |
| 08:19.25 | Shadowed | If you have a better way of executing SVN commands through Java while avoiding that, or needing some other complicated process |
| 08:19.27 | Shadowed | I'm listening :p |
| 08:19.28 | orionshock | ... i was just looking at that line... |
| 08:19.32 | Shadowed | actually I |
| 08:19.42 | Shadowed | actually I'm not, cause it's 1 AM and I'm half asleep but I'll probably just read it in the morning |
| 08:20.09 | orionshock | :) |
| 08:20.24 | orionshock | so ... if i remove the quotes it might work? |
| 08:20.29 | Shadowed | and recompile it, yes |
| 08:20.34 | orionshock | >.> |
| 08:21.25 | Jamash | wtf: Hashtable<String,Hashtable<String,String>> mods = new Hashtable<String,Hashtable<String,String>>(); |
| 08:21.31 | Jamash | when did java become C++ |
| 08:22.33 | Fisker- | http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/04/24/secret-no-more-revealing-virtual-windows-xp-for-windows-7.aspx <-pretty cool |
| 08:23.51 | Shirik | Jamash: Whomever wrote that code needs to be shot |
| 08:23.55 | Shirik | Hashtables are bad |
| 08:24.07 | Jamash | points at Shadowed. |
| 08:24.12 | Shirik | shoots Shadowed |
| 08:24.18 | Shirik | HashMap! |
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| 08:24.31 | Shadowed | When I told you the uploader was terribly written and something I had wanted to recode like 6 months ago Shirik, I wasn't lying :p |
| 08:24.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:25.20 | Jamash | so microsoft has invented backwards compatibility |
| 08:25.42 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:25.46 | Corrodias | interestingly vague and ignorant way to express it... |
| 08:26.23 | Jamash | I was going for dismissive and patronizing. |
| 08:26.28 | orionshock | so Shadowed, any chance of more pixie dust on this little java app latter ? :) |
| 08:26.31 | Corrodias | they've taken a new approach to an old problem with existing, less flexible solutions. |
| 08:26.38 | Shadowed | probably not |
| 08:27.26 | Jamash | and in windows 9, you can run windows xp in windows 7 in windows 9! |
| 08:27.40 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:27.50 | Jamash | then you can run dosbox inside that |
| 08:27.53 | Jamash | and boot up windows 3.1 |
| 08:28.14 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:28.29 | Shirik | and then all of the bugs from the products combine together and your computer becomes sentient |
| 08:28.52 | Shirik | and then rises up against humanity for the pain you put him through |
| 08:29.21 | Wobin | MS are the source of Skynet? |
| 08:30.21 | Jamash | now the real question is do you get hardware 3D acceleration inside virtual XP |
| 08:31.21 | Fisker- | i'm gonna fuck you all up |
| 08:31.34 | Fisker- | and sure Jamash |
| 08:31.45 | Fisker- | hyper-v just kicked in, yo! |
| 08:32.07 | Kalroth_ | Jamash: You don't. Install VMWare. |
| 08:32.30 | Jamash | does vmware support 3d acceleration? |
| 08:32.40 | durcyn | virtualbox does |
| 08:32.52 | Kalroth_ | virtualbox only supports ogl |
| 08:33.01 | Kalroth_ | Jamash: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/ws_vidsound_d3d_enabling_vm.html |
| 08:33.22 | Jamash | neat |
| 08:33.45 | Kalroth_ | vmware also got ogl 3d acceleration |
| 08:35.31 | Fisker- | But if i recall correctly isn't the point of Hyper-V making the driver independant of the virtualized guest system? |
| 08:35.38 | Jamash | I wonder what the relative performance between vmware / virtualbox and wine is |
| 08:35.46 | Fisker- | in which case you should be able to get hardware acceleration |
| 08:35.51 | Kalroth_ | wine will be fastest, by far |
| 08:41.46 | Zyndrome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wdmSL2-Ock&fmt=18 |
| 08:44.38 | Adys | Kalroth: TURN ME ON) |
| 08:44.49 | Kalroth | flips the switch. |
| 08:44.54 | Adys | weee! |
| 08:45.02 | Kalroth | <Shadowed> http://www.bosskillers.com/cgi-bin/bbguild/index.cgi?action=flashmovies_view&flashmovie_id=3&sid=s26S8t3rZh that is just |
| 08:46.36 | Adys | Kalroth: need the voice of the zeropunctuation guy on that |
| 08:54.03 | Jamash | so I fight my way into this village, kill a ton of furbolgs, level in the process and leave without the quest item I was there for in the first place |
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| 09:15.00 | Fisker- | lies Zyndrome |
| 09:15.05 | Fisker- | no old people on the internets |
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| 09:31.32 | batrick | zzz |
| 09:47.49 | batrick | Who wants to play some Chess |
| 09:47.58 | batrick | don't be shy |
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| 09:52.58 | Grum | finally found what causes stupid SetTexCoord 'out of range'-errors .. but why on earth did blizzard make it so stupid with a patch? :( |
| 09:53.45 | Grum | numbers > 10000 or < -10000 now give an error, why cant they just softcap them in their code instead of having to do 16 if statements in lua :'( |
| 09:53.49 | Fisker- | batrick sure checkmate |
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| 09:57.30 | zenzelezz | Grum: what sort of texture would be more than 10'000 pixels? |
| 09:58.03 | Grum | SetTexCoord doesnt work with pixels |
| 09:58.43 | zenzelezz | not directly, no. But which of the parameters are you talking about? |
| 09:59.10 | Grum | SetTexCoord's full 8 params arguments |
| 10:00.16 | zenzelezz | I was under the impression that all the parameters were in the range 0-1 |
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| 10:01.22 | Grum | zenzelezz: nope |
| 10:01.47 | Grum | you can scale/stretch the image, that must allow > 1 |
| 10:02.02 | Grum | ditto for rotation |
| 10:02.57 | zenzelezz | I see. Still quite a huge stretch if you're increasing its size by 10'000 |
| 10:04.23 | Grum | rotation code :) |
| 10:04.34 | Grum | (and no i cannot use SetRotation() :() |
| 10:05.28 | Jamash | hm, so whenever the user loses a spell due to untalenting, I want to remember what action slot that spell was in |
| 10:05.37 | Jamash | so I guess I need to hook ConfirmTalentWipe |
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| 10:11.37 | Jamash | How do I know whether a given WoW API function needs to be hooked with hooksecurefunc? Should I just assume that if it's Blizzard code, I should use it? |
| 10:14.26 | Arrowmaster | by learning what can and cant be tainted and how that code is used in the default ui so you know where taint spreads from |
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| 10:14.50 | Jamash | that sounds like... work |
| 10:14.55 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 10:15.06 | Arrowmaster | an example that has come up recently is VehicleSeatIndicator |
| 10:16.16 | Arrowmaster | the frame isnt secure and doesnt preform any secure actions so you would think it could be safely tainted, but really the frame is animated using the 3.0 animation code which uses a simple loop |
| 10:16.55 | Arrowmaster | so if you taint VehicleSeatIndicator:SetPoint() it could spread from their out to anything else thats animated using that code like the playerframe |
| 10:17.05 | Jamash | ugh |
| 10:17.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 10:17.34 | Jamash | is there a downside to always hooking blizzard functions with hooksecurefunc? |
| 10:17.40 | Arrowmaster | its slower |
| 10:17.46 | Arrowmaster | slightly |
| 10:17.58 | Arrowmaster | and secure hooks are always post hooks |
| 10:18.32 | Jamash | well in this instance, ConfirmTalentWipe() is not a performance critical function |
| 10:18.54 | Arrowmaster | whats the reason you are hooking it? |
| 10:19.22 | Jamash | I want to save the user's action bar layout when the untalent, so when they retalent I can put talented abilities back where they were |
| 10:19.48 | Arrowmaster | it should be safe to taint afaik |
| 10:20.41 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster is the reason why we can't have nice things |
| 10:20.55 | Arrowmaster | if you hooksecurefunc() it, does your code run before the actionbars are cleared of talents? |
| 10:21.08 | Arrowmaster | im thinking it should |
| 10:21.59 | Jamash | I hope so |
| 10:22.11 | Arrowmaster | and for something so rarely used like that the downsides of hooksecurefunc dont matter and you gain the benifit of 'it just works' and not having to make sure you dont break the original functionality when you hook it |
| 10:22.20 | Jamash | that's what I was thinking |
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| 10:26.58 | Jamash | then I have to handle the case where the player doesn't have enough money :-/ |
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| 10:50.35 | WobNet | Jamash: an unfortunately common state of affairs nowadays =( |
| 10:53.27 | WobNet | hm, has anyone heard of the idea that explosive shot doesn't work with misdirect? |
| 10:54.08 | WobNet | I should totally test it with my pet >< |
| 10:54.19 | WobNet | As SV I almost forget I have one =P |
| 10:56.43 | Jamash | y'know it sort of seemed like I was getting aggro despite using misdirect when leading off with explosive shot |
| 10:57.19 | Jamash | I'll test that out tomorrow |
| 10:57.22 | Jamash | now it is bed time |
| 11:05.02 | WobNet | hm |
| 11:05.05 | WobNet | so it wasn't just me |
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| 11:27.22 | Adys | I'm going through some old pics |
| 11:27.24 | Adys | http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-yGwLux_BRA/R15xFs809PI/AAAAAAAAAR0/pgwr-0C9lvQ/upgrade.png |
| 11:27.29 | WobNet | oh happy birthday sioraiocht_ |
| 11:27.32 | Adys | contextual ads = WIN |
| 11:27.50 | sioraiocht | cheers, WobNet |
| 11:31.58 | WobNet | the wonderful thing about lua tables are that lua tables are wonderful things |
| 11:32.06 | WobNet | (also, that everything is passed by reference) |
| 11:32.40 | WobNet | it makes lookup tables so much simpler |
| 11:33.04 | Adys | I've got like 20 tabs opened |
| 11:33.08 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_Action_Coding_System |
| 11:33.16 | Adys | and this one's title is shortened |
| 11:33.23 | Adys | to about 13 chars. |
| 11:34.21 | WobNet | just enough, eh? |
| 11:34.27 | Adys | yep |
| 11:35.33 | WobNet | I had to check if the page actually existed |
| 11:46.05 | Fisker- | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Mysql <-hurr hurr |
| 11:49.18 | Fisker- | "How are you today?" |
| 11:49.26 | Fisker- | *whos character, of course level 1 warrior* |
| 11:49.36 | Fisker- | "Fine, just wish those damn goldsellers would stop spamming me" |
| 11:49.49 | Fisker- | and it worked :O |
| 11:49.51 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:15.27 | mikma | http://www.sarien.net/ |
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| 12:22.26 | Fisker- | why so warez mikma? |
| 12:23.26 | mikma | warez? |
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| 12:38.03 | Fisker- | your link |
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| 12:39.51 | mikma | warez? |
| 12:42.20 | Fisker- | yeh |
| 12:42.23 | Fisker- | yeah* |
| 12:42.32 | Fisker- | btw they should let faction discounts work for badge items |
| 12:42.33 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 12:44.27 | mikma | fisker-: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/golf.png |
| 12:45.43 | Fisker- | :? |
| 12:46.29 | mikma | that's you |
| 12:46.32 | mikma | the 19th hole |
| 12:46.44 | Olison | old as internets itself |
| 12:47.13 | Fisker- | no u mikma |
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| 12:48.46 | Shirik | I swear, mybrute will be the end of this world |
| 12:48.55 | Fisker- | true |
| 12:53.07 | Fisker- | Shirik ban that mikma guy for posting warez :( |
| 12:53.09 | Fisker- | he must buuuuuuurn |
| 12:53.34 | mikma | you mean, you don't own those games yourself? |
| 12:53.42 | mikma | oh you little warez monkey you |
| 12:54.35 | Shirik | I should ban Fisker- for warez? |
| 12:54.51 | Fisker- | still warez if you own it mikma :3 |
| 12:54.59 | Fisker- | also i do own PQ :3 |
| 12:55.02 | Fisker- | or did |
| 12:55.06 | mikma | fisker-: how is it warez? :) |
| 12:55.46 | Fisker- | The same way if i put Warcraft up for download |
| 12:55.48 | Fisker- | for example |
| 12:55.48 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 12:56.01 | Shirik | :3 :3 :3 |
| 12:56.06 | Shirik | Can I ban that smiley? |
| 12:56.11 | Fisker- | (I.e. they don't have the authors permission to use the game assets) |
| 12:56.17 | Fisker- | sure Shirik |
| 12:56.20 | Fisker- | if you leave >:3 alone |
| 12:57.00 | mikma | fisker-: and ca you download the games from sarien.net? |
| 12:57.13 | mikma | atleast i wasn't able to, so you must be a superdownloader then |
| 12:57.43 | Fisker- | You don't need to download them for it to be copyright infringement |
| 12:57.43 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 12:57.46 | Fisker- | dawg |
| 12:57.49 | Fisker- | oh shi- |
| 12:58.12 | Fisker- | Good thing that ban trigger doesn't work yet, huh Shirik ? |
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| 13:09.50 | Fisker- | lives to troll another day |
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| 13:31.38 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:31.42 | jnwhiteh | so i have a PNG that has all of its data |
| 13:31.45 | jnwhiteh | btu when I try to view it |
| 13:31.47 | jnwhiteh | it disappears |
| 13:31.48 | jnwhiteh | like |
| 13:31.50 | jnwhiteh | the preview of it works |
| 13:32.00 | jnwhiteh | but actually viewing it.. it goes transparent |
| 13:32.02 | jnwhiteh | bizarre |
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| 13:36.49 | foxlit | Wonder if they nerfed Champion-level AI at the Argent Tournament since the PTR. |
| 13:37.09 | foxlit | Seem to recall people whining about it being too hard. |
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| 13:59.44 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: Shirik: etch -> lenny upgrade completed.. I won't claim "success".. but its done =) |
| 14:00.00 | jnwhiteh | lua_bot: return "Yes, I'm still here" |
| 14:00.01 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: Yes, I'm still here |
| 14:02.51 | Mikk | jnwhiteh: huhu ok :P |
| 14:03.12 | jnwhiteh | the etch version of graphviz was screwed |
| 14:03.21 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.40 | Mikk | Well, my webshite still says "It works!" so.. i guess it works |
| 14:03.54 | Mikk | ( http://mikk.cjb.net/ ) |
| 14:04.09 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:04.14 | airtonix | am i wrong in assuming that 'garry's mod' can only be obtained via steam? |
| 14:04.25 | airtonix | inb4 ask garry |
| 14:05.30 | Mikk | wonders what steam has to do with wow |
| 14:08.08 | WobWork | hehe |
| 14:08.24 | WobWork | The Jack me some Lumber tournament daily can be 'saved up' for |
| 14:08.32 | WobWork | I have 52 planks in my inventory for the next few days |
| 14:08.49 | jnwhiteh | nice |
| 14:08.51 | jnwhiteh | that's convenient |
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| 14:22.46 | Fisker- | nahuh |
| 14:24.17 | Fisker- | QQ |
| 14:24.19 | Fisker- | world server down |
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| 14:46.17 | p3lim | can we use animated pictures for projects? |
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| 15:07.38 | Fisker- | lol |
| 15:07.42 | Fisker- | my authenticator code was 313313 |
| 15:08.23 | Bibi | hacks Fisker- |
| 15:15.07 | kd3 | oh genius. I should do that |
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| 15:34.51 | Fisker- | Already used bitches |
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| 16:05.04 | AbsolutRayne | Did a memtest all night last night...no errors >_< |
| 16:07.52 | jnwhiteh | and this is a bad thing? |
| 16:10.12 | nevcairiel | If you have issues, and you cannot find the cause, i guess it is |
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| 16:15.38 | Odlaw | what symptoms |
| 16:18.17 | Fisker- | omg jnwhiteh |
| 16:18.30 | Fisker- | just got jumped by 10+ alliance ;E |
| 16:18.44 | nevcairiel | oh my goon squad arrived |
| 16:19.04 | jnwhiteh | WHY SO HORDE Fisker-? |
| 16:20.23 | Fisker- | http://i40.tinypic.com/es9ki1.jpg |
| 16:20.24 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 16:21.05 | jnwhiteh | ouch! |
| 16:21.16 | AbsolutRayne | looks like...ouch |
| 16:22.23 | AbsolutRayne | Do the PitBull4 frames highlight with Debuffs yet? |
| 16:22.25 | AbsolutRayne | <_< |
| 16:25.11 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 16:25.46 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a good mage build for level 70, leveling up? |
| 16:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | piles of fire |
| 16:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | or piles of frost |
| 16:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Just not arcane |
| 16:26.12 | jnwhiteh | also I think Deep Freeze isn't very good |
| 16:26.20 | jnwhiteh | for THAT i mean |
| 16:26.25 | jnwhiteh | i can see it in pvp |
| 16:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | pretty much |
| 16:26.35 | jnwhiteh | but surely if something is frozen,i'm gonna kill it soon anyway. |
| 16:26.38 | jnwhiteh | so why stun it? |
| 16:26.43 | jnwhiteh | and if thats the case |
| 16:26.46 | jnwhiteh | i can go down to get clearcasting |
| 16:26.49 | Fisker- | dunno AbsolutRayne |
| 16:26.49 | ScytheBlade1 | If it's frozen and you're frost |
| 16:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It's already deady |
| 16:26.56 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 16:26.57 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 16:27.06 | ScytheBlade1 | crit crit crit |
| 16:27.15 | ScytheBlade1 | *dead |
| 16:27.26 | nevcairiel | shouldn't one crit free him? |
| 16:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | they'll all hit at the same time |
| 16:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | and in PvE, some times, maybe not |
| 16:27.53 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: how do you get three hitting? |
| 16:27.54 | nevcairiel | stupid latency issues |
| 16:27.58 | jnwhiteh | i can get two hitting before they break :P |
| 16:28.03 | Gngsk | jnwhiteh, is there a chance ninjapanel will ever provide floating ldb feeds or should I use another ldb display if I want that? |
| 16:28.03 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: its not latency, its bolt speed =) |
| 16:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | oh right, fire, sorry |
| 16:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrong spec :P |
| 16:28.12 | jnwhiteh | Gngsk: floating, no. |
| 16:28.15 | jnwhiteh | just panels |
| 16:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You can land two at the same time and that's it |
| 16:28.28 | Gngsk | k |
| 16:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | if you can link me what you're thinking, I can work with it |
| 16:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's pretty easy, don't choose stupid talents and you win |
| 16:31.12 | AbsolutRayne | burp |
| 16:31.45 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, I disagree |
| 16:31.52 | Tem | Arcane was fine for leveling |
| 16:32.02 | Tem | 2m evocation and instant invis are hax |
| 16:32.16 | amro | jnwhiteh: Deep Freeze is good for soloing elites |
| 16:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lacks any real CC though |
| 16:32.31 | jnwhiteh | amro: kk |
| 16:32.45 | amro | jnwhiteh: I assume you know about shatter combos? |
| 16:33.04 | jnwhiteh | amro: assume I don't =) |
| 16:33.26 | amro | jnwhiteh: basically while a target is frozen or you have FoF, you can get an extra icelance crit |
| 16:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: frostnova, frostbolt followed by an instant ice lance, win |
| 16:33.31 | amro | at the end of frostbolt cast, hit icelance |
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| 16:33.37 | jnwhiteh | yes, i know that |
| 16:33.42 | jnwhiteh | just making sure =) |
| 16:35.07 | nevcairiel | good that i can unfreeze |
| 16:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: my biggest problem with arcane is it being entirely boring and lacking pretty much any CC as compared to the other specs |
| 16:36.27 | Tem | I totally agree that it's boring as hell |
| 16:36.36 | Tem | I _hated_ leveling as arcane |
| 16:36.42 | Tem | but I thought the spec itself was fine |
| 16:36.59 | Tem | just my own personal preference lies pretty strongly against arcane |
| 16:37.17 | Tem | jnwhiteh, I found hot streak to be a really fun mechanic in fire if you can reach it |
| 16:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | frost gives you a really, really strong CC, where as fire gives you a billion varied ones which work well together |
| 16:37.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, exaftly |
| 16:37.48 | Tem | I also had a lot of fun with the ffb spec at 75 |
| 16:38.11 | Tem | sure it wasn't the highest possible dps spec, but I was playing with a new toy :) |
| 16:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried it, hated it |
| 16:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Again due to lack of CC, it felt like pseudo-arcane |
| 16:38.28 | Tem | and I didn't the absurd mana efficiency |
| 16:38.38 | Tem | I didn't mind* |
| 16:39.12 | Tem | sure, evocation was on double the cooldown as arcane, but I used less than half the mana to do the same dps |
| 16:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | and hot streak is awesome fun while leveling |
| 16:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | one moment you're outnumbered and likely going to die |
| 16:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And the next second they're all dead and you're busy looting |
| 16:41.57 | amro | fire aoe = you end with 2% hp |
| 16:42.04 | amro | frost aoe = you end with 100% hp. and mana. |
| 16:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | l2fire aoe |
| 16:42.25 | amro | there's no learning |
| 16:42.28 | amro | fire has no mitigation |
| 16:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You're just bad |
| 16:42.50 | amro | you're just being an ass |
| 16:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda |
| 16:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | but saying fire aoe ends with 2% hp and there is no learning is just flatly wrong |
| 16:43.34 | amro | I never mentinoed just how many elites I'd be aoeing. |
| 16:43.41 | amro | don't assume I'm bad |
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| 16:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm stopping now before I get banned from the channel for being a dick in general |
| 16:44.38 | Jamash | that's a provocative line to enter chat to |
| 16:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
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| 16:50.41 | Fisker- | so Wobin |
| 16:50.44 | Fisker- | how's noblegarden? |
| 16:52.11 | Tem | OH GOD SO GOOD |
| 16:52.17 | Tem | <3 Train Wrecker |
| 16:52.21 | Tem | worth every penny |
| 16:52.46 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:52.54 | Fisker- | you're the reason why we can't have nice things Tem |
| 16:53.08 | Tem | that fucking train is not a nice thing |
| 16:53.21 | Fisker- | ahuh |
| 16:53.37 | Jamash | CHOO CHOO chugga chugga chugga chugga CHOO CHOO |
| 16:53.58 | Fisker- | hell yeah |
| 16:54.18 | Jamash | blizzard has created an internal arms race |
| 16:54.58 | Tem | I think the toy vendor just has a good racket going.. |
| 16:54.59 | Jamash | train -> train wrecker -> (train defender?) |
| 16:55.10 | Tem | Sell Annoying Item |
| 16:55.15 | Tem | Sell Counter Item |
| 16:55.18 | Tem | win |
| 16:55.48 | Fisker- | that would actually be pretty funny Tem |
| 16:56.10 | Jamash | so wait, the train wrecker is 250g? |
| 16:56.21 | nevcairiel | i just used it to crush a train in a dalaran bank |
| 16:56.23 | nevcairiel | so worth the money |
| 16:56.48 | Jamash | and the train is also 250g? |
| 16:56.56 | Tem | nevcairiel, me too |
| 16:56.57 | Fisker- | 200g |
| 16:57.03 | Tem | buy the wintergrasp portal for me |
| 16:57.05 | Fisker- | though that's probably discounted |
| 16:57.06 | Tem | by* |
| 16:57.11 | Jamash | so he makes 400g-500g off each pair sold |
| 16:57.23 | amro | he's a genius |
| 16:57.27 | Fisker- | direbrew remote + wg portal = win |
| 16:57.37 | Tem | 250->200 is the 20% discount from having kirin tor exalted |
| 17:01.00 | Tem | Fisker-, doesn't that only work on raid members? |
| 17:01.20 | Tem | oh yeah I guess people tend to raid up at the wintergrasp portal.. |
| 17:01.26 | Tem | hmm |
| 17:01.27 | Jamash | yep |
| 17:01.34 | Tem | makes me want to drop other portals |
| 17:01.44 | nevcairiel | mage portals are already boring, everyone does that |
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| 17:01.46 | Tem | like right before the wintergrasp one spawns |
| 17:01.54 | nevcairiel | but being stuck in BRD = awesome |
| 17:01.57 | amro | exodar portals are fun |
| 17:15.57 | Jamash | back in the old days it was the atiesh karazhan portal |
| 17:16.23 | Jamash | people would pop it in the AV tunnel and half the raid would vanish |
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| 17:31.30 | Shefki | Pretty sure they made it so you can't put mage portals in the starting area anymore. |
| 17:34.28 | Jamash | yeah, you can't make portals in bgs |
| 17:34.53 | Fisker- | i'm raging btw |
| 17:35.59 | Fisker- | holy fuck |
| 17:36.02 | Fisker- | i'm stupid as hell |
| 17:36.11 | Fisker- | mentos trick works indoors as well |
| 17:36.12 | Fisker- | confirmed! |
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| 17:38.51 | Kaelten | Fisker-: you loose |
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| 17:39.05 | Kaelten | Anyone willing to help me localize onebag3? |
| 17:39.18 | Fisker- | just you wait Kaelten |
| 17:39.45 | Jamash | I can localize it into pig latin |
| 17:40.20 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:41.48 | Fisker- | http://i40.tinypic.com/n2hok0.jpg <-GOOD JOB |
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| 17:42.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 17:46.05 | Kaelten | Fisker-: gj |
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| 17:59.04 | Kazie | Anyone know if there has been a succesor or alike for CooldownButtons? |
| 17:59.07 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, why whould you think it didnt work indooes? |
| 18:00.06 | Fisker- | That's just me making fun of it |
| 18:00.25 | Fisker- | I was thinking it was only diet coke |
| 18:00.28 | Thunder_Child | Kazie, what did it do? bar replacement, or just a visual cooldown? |
| 18:00.32 | Fisker- | And mine wasn't diet nor coke |
| 18:01.18 | Kazie | It's a cooldown addon, with buttons |
| 18:01.20 | Kazie | instead of bars |
| 18:01.49 | Kazie | when an ability is on cooldown, the addon will show the ability icon and the coolodwn left beside it. |
| 18:01.54 | Kazie | very nice addon |
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| 18:37.31 | WobWork | pft, I had a mage that liked to play portal bingo |
| 18:37.44 | WobWork | he'd literally cast every single portal on top of each other |
| 18:37.53 | WobWork | so you had a random chance of ending up anywhere =P |
| 18:38.04 | tekkub | that's the best |
| 18:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | As long as you stand still, don't move/rotate, and then cast them one after the other |
| 18:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll get a true portal bingo, no way to cheat it |
| 18:38.56 | WobWork | exactly |
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| 18:39.08 | WobWork | you mouse over, and watch the cities flip =) |
| 18:39.13 | ScytheBlade1 | yup :) |
| 18:39.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember doing that in SSC |
| 18:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | People didn't notice |
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| 18:39.27 | WobWork | also, you start casting the least wanted portal first |
| 18:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | "Why am I in Exodar?" |
| 18:39.31 | WobWork | so people don't get in early |
| 18:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | "Dunno, I wound up in Shatt just fine" |
| 18:39.43 | WobWork | like Stonard =P |
| 18:39.44 | Fisker- | how's noblegarden WobWork ? |
| 18:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ha yeah |
| 18:39.50 | WobWork | has it started? |
| 18:40.01 | Fisker- | you're aussie right? |
| 18:40.04 | WobWork | I logged out about 4 hours ago |
| 18:40.15 | WobWork | I'm on a US server though |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker- | not oceanic? |
| 18:40.22 | Fisker- | fail |
| 18:40.54 | WobWork | pft, no point in oceanic |
| 18:41.01 | WobWork | not like the latency would be any better =P |
| 18:41.09 | Fisker- | btw WobWork |
| 18:41.12 | Fisker- | did you see my epic win earlier? |
| 18:41.13 | WobWork | since they're in the same server as the one I'm currently on =P |
| 18:41.52 | WobWork | mentos? |
| 18:42.12 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 18:42.47 | WobWork | I wonder if you could aim mage portals to cover the WG portal... |
| 18:43.31 | WobWork | just stand behind it, and randomly cover it up as the raid runs in =P |
| 18:46.58 | tekkub | uh, people do that all the time :P |
| 18:46.59 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 18:47.01 | Thunder_Child | it's been done |
| 18:48.36 | WobWork | never seen it myself, so was wondering =P |
| 18:48.40 | WobWork | any SV hunters here? |
| 18:49.11 | Kemayo | Have there been any comments on when there might be a patch to fix Dual Specs? |
| 18:49.55 | Aelobin | Wobin: 32AP or 22sta for a blood DK? :P |
| 18:50.01 | Shirik | doobi doobi doo wah |
| 18:50.13 | WobWork | what level are you? |
| 18:50.15 | Aelobin | i thought 22 sta as it increases your rune tap heal, and AP isnt increased by the +6% str talent |
| 18:50.21 | Aelobin | i will be 69 |
| 18:50.28 | WobWork | are you considering tanking? |
| 18:50.32 | Aelobin | pvp |
| 18:50.51 | WobWork | hm, I dunno then, not done enough pvp to know the priority |
| 18:50.55 | Aelobin | :) |
| 18:50.59 | WobWork | How's your hp pool atm? |
| 18:51.06 | Aelobin | nearly 8k at lvl 66 |
| 18:51.45 | WobWork | I'd have a look on the EJ forum if I were you |
| 18:51.50 | Aelobin | okies |
| 18:51.50 | WobWork | they're bound to have a pvp thread |
| 18:52.10 | Dewin | Kemayo: What's broken? |
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| 18:55.12 | WobWork | specs revert randomly |
| 18:55.23 | WobWork | so you basically lose all assigned points |
| 18:55.31 | WobWork | sometimes you see partial reversions |
| 18:55.39 | WobWork | without accompanying spare points |
| 18:55.44 | Dewin | WobWork: Still? I thought that was fixed last patch |
| 18:55.46 | cncfanatics | it seems to be only visual |
| 18:55.49 | WobWork | not so |
| 18:55.54 | cncfanatics | I can still use the abilities that look "lost" |
| 18:55.56 | WobWork | my spec blanked out tonight |
| 18:56.03 | WobWork | Had to reassign it again |
| 18:56.07 | Dewin | So Blizzard refunded all my talents and made me re-re-re-spec again for nothing? Heh. |
| 18:56.13 | Dewin | they /said/ they fixed it. |
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| 18:56.51 | WobWork | I wonder if the pet talents reset still |
| 18:56.57 | WobWork | I should check that |
| 18:57.00 | Aelobin | my pet talents didnt reset in 3.1 |
| 18:57.05 | WobWork | anyway, gnight! |
| 18:57.06 | Aelobin | or wait, i mean 3.1.1 :p |
| 18:57.29 | Kemayo | cncfanatics: It removes my wife's abilities from her bars and she has to rebuy them before she can use them... so it's probably not visual. |
| 18:58.16 | Dewin | I had unlearned Black Arrow but still learned Explosive Shot on my hunter. |
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| 19:46.06 | AnduinLothar | when did wow add respecs? |
| 19:47.35 | Thunder_Child | uh, you could always respec |
| 19:47.51 | AnduinLothar | are you sure? |
| 19:48.07 | Cairenn | I actually think that there was a time when you couldn't |
| 19:48.19 | AnduinLothar | so do i |
| 19:48.23 | Cairenn | just can't remember which patch it was |
| 19:48.25 | mikma | umm |
| 19:48.32 | AnduinLothar | then they added it and it was really expensive |
| 19:48.35 | mikma | you have been able to since open beta |
| 19:48.38 | Cairenn | it was fairly early on that they put it in, but I'm sure I remember it going in |
| 19:48.43 | mikma | no, waiiit |
| 19:48.47 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 19:48.50 | mikma | after release |
| 19:48.54 | Cairenn | yup |
| 19:49.01 | Cairenn | people bitched about how much it cost |
| 19:49.09 | AnduinLothar | then at some point later they added the deminishing prices |
| 19:49.17 | Iriel | You could always respec, but it used to be VERY expensive at first |
| 19:49.33 | AnduinLothar | and then come BC the $ didn't matter much any more |
| 19:51.19 | Antiarc | I know I definitely respecced in early vanilla |
| 19:51.38 | Antiarc | Remember how people used to bitch about having to spec out of Deep Wounds for raids because there were only 8 debuff slots? |
| 19:51.46 | Antiarc | (holy crap, we used to play with 8 debuff slots?) |
| 19:51.50 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: can't remember, were you in original alpha/beta? |
| 19:52.03 | Cairenn | it may be that we're remembering it from there? |
| 19:52.06 | AnduinLothar | nah, i joined in stress test beta |
| 19:52.17 | Cairenn | that's still original beta |
| 19:52.24 | Cairenn | ie before the game ever went live |
| 19:52.26 | AnduinLothar | sure |
| 19:52.33 | Antiarc | I joined at the end of the closed beta, and I THINK that respecs were in, but I won't promise it. |
| 19:52.47 | AnduinLothar | but i never made it to max lvl in stress test |
| 19:55.19 | Cairenn | I must be mis-remembering, maybe it was just the price change |
| 19:55.58 | AnduinLothar | yeah it mighta just been really expensive so you didn't do it very often |
| 19:57.21 | Antiarc | "Since patch 1.11 there is a decay in the cost of such talent respecs" |
| 19:57.40 | Cairenn | that must be what we're remembering Antiarc, thanks :) |
| 19:59.13 | Antiarc | Patch 0.9: "Finally, for the duration of the beta, you will be able to find an NPC in each city that will allow you to reset your talent points and experiment with different talent paths. (Note: this option is ONLY available in the beta). " |
| 20:00.30 | Antiarc | I guess they added it in 0.9, and then decided to keep it. |
| 20:00.42 | Antiarc | So prior to 0.9 you couldn't respec, but half the talents weren't in the game then either. |
| 20:01.12 | AnduinLothar | and the ones that were pretty much sucked |
| 20:01.20 | Antiarc | WoW without respeccing would suck |
| 20:01.30 | Antiarc | It irritates the hell out of me that I can't respec in D2 |
| 20:01.35 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 20:01.55 | AnduinLothar | i remember beating normal without any tallents placed |
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| 20:02.05 | AnduinLothar | cause i couldnt decide what to get |
| 20:02.35 | AnduinLothar | course that was my 2nd runthrough.. |
| 20:02.36 | Fisker- | tackles AnduinLothar |
| 20:02.47 | Antiarc | Man, imagine if you had to have a PVE character and a PVP character |
| 20:03.07 | AnduinLothar | welcome to every rpg before wow |
| 20:03.18 | Cairenn | so there /was/ a period of time you couldn't respec |
| 20:03.28 | Cairenn | hah! I haven't completely lost my marbles! |
| 20:03.48 | Fisker- | well that doesn't count as it was beta |
| 20:03.54 | Cairenn | :p |
| 20:03.57 | Fisker- | i'm glad they got rid of the D2 system though |
| 20:04.04 | Fisker- | and i'm glad they're adopting the "wow system" in D3 |
| 20:04.10 | Antiarc | Me too. |
| 20:04.28 | Antiarc | Honestly, WoW was so successful because it removed so many of the penalties from the genre |
| 20:04.47 | Antiarc | XP loss, hard corpse runs, brittle character progression |
| 20:05.06 | Antiarc | Increased travel speeds, decreased downtime |
| 20:05.06 | Elly | I wish D&D hadn't decided to take pages out of WoW's book for 4E though :( |
| 20:05.16 | Cairenn | is disappointed, you guys passed up a perfectly good opening |
| 20:05.27 | Antiarc | I never played EQ, but my guildmates that did still rant about how much downtime you had in it. |
| 20:05.33 | AnduinLothar | i thoght better of it |
| 20:05.34 | Fisker- | anal beads? |
| 20:05.37 | Antiarc | Cairenn: We didn't pass it up, we're just being nice! :P |
| 20:05.39 | Thunder_Child | Elly, how is that? |
| 20:05.41 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 20:06.23 | Elly | Thunder_Child: "powers" with cooldowns instead of per-day uses. Players divided up by class into tank/healer/DPS/CC. Specs. |
| 20:06.53 | Thunder_Child | Elly, you never played, Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords did you? |
| 20:07.07 | Thunder_Child | Elly, that was the precursor to 4E |
| 20:07.13 | Elly | Thunder_Child: Tome of Battle is just a taste. The 4E book is incredibly WoW-like :P |
| 20:07.27 | Elly | Thunder_Child: they removed sorcerors and replaced them with warlocks :P |
| 20:07.31 | Antiarc | *shrug* it makes sense, from a marketing standpoint |
| 20:07.39 | Fisker- | meh |
| 20:07.42 | Antiarc | WoW has exploded the RPG genre like nothing else in recent memory |
| 20:07.46 | Elly | fighters now have taunts and stuns (on the other hand, 4E fighters suck less, so :P) |
| 20:07.46 | mikma | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1173402/First-Google-alphabet-formed-using-satellite-images.html |
| 20:07.50 | Antiarc | If I were writing 4E I'd try to capitalize on it too. |
| 20:07.52 | Fisker- | To be honest the pen & paper RPG was pretty nice with penalties and such |
| 20:07.55 | Thunder_Child | Elly, wizards always hated sorcs anyways |
| 20:08.00 | Elly | it's true |
| 20:08.09 | Fisker- | just doesn't work out much in a CRPG |
| 20:08.24 | Elly | Fisker-: they never worked out the draconic-heritage thing for sorcs properly, so they ended up being underpowered wizards at high levels |
| 20:08.27 | Antiarc | I think that the penalties appeal heavily to the heavily geeky already-established fanbase |
| 20:08.40 | Antiarc | We're analytical and obsessive in attention to detail |
| 20:08.43 | Thunder_Child | besides, they have a sorc in phb2 |
| 20:08.45 | Elly | their design docs are pretty interesting to read, actually - I have the 4E design rationale around somewhere |
| 20:09.06 | Elly | one of the driving forces was that most characters are only "sensible" and fun to play between levels 5 and 13 |
| 20:09.31 | Elly | above level 13, wizards and clerics are so ludicrously dominant that it's not even funny; below level 5, wizards get like 3 spells per day :P |
| 20:09.45 | Thunder_Child | the problem with 4E is that they got rid of most of the RP aspects |
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| 20:10.13 | Cloudwolf | well i won't ever do this http://xkcd.com/237/ |
| 20:14.44 | Cairenn | snicker |
| 20:15.09 | Elly | Thunder_Child: as one of my friends likes to say: "4E is a fair and balanced combat system" |
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| 20:15.24 | Elly | or equivalently, "4E borrows from WoW a fantastic combat system and a less-than-fantastic roleplaying system" |
| 20:15.37 | Elly | disappears to grade |
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| 20:18.41 | Thunder_Child | Elly, and to get the fair and balanced combat system they had to take all the fun out. |
| 20:19.19 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i still miss THACO tbh |
| 20:20.23 | dkluge | we should have all just kept playing LORD. |
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| 20:37.57 | Tuller | so I just installed virtualbox and ubuntu, yet i'm not quite sure why I did |
| 20:38.13 | Cairenn | chuckles |
| 20:38.48 | Cairenn | there's a very simple explanation why you guys do a lot of things you do - you're geeks :) |
| 20:38.51 | mikma | tuller: so you can tell me how wow works in ubuntu |
| 20:39.19 | Tuller | last time I used wow in ubuntu, no hardware mouse |
| 20:39.22 | Tuller | and therefore, crappy |
| 20:39.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm tempted to update my ps3's ubuntu to 9.04 |
| 20:39.38 | Mr_Rabies | i probably should but at the same time |
| 20:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | why :( |
| 20:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's like using ubuntu on a pentium 2 |
| 20:39.55 | Cloudwolf | your ps3 has ubuntu? |
| 20:40.06 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:45.50 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 20:45.59 | Cidan | I remember looking at the PS3 when it first came out |
| 20:46.01 | Cidan | and was all like |
| 20:46.05 | Cidan | HOLY CRAP IT'S SO POWERFUL |
| 20:46.20 | Cidan | Now I'm looking at the specs, and I say to my self, "Wait, was it always this crappy?" |
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| 20:51.17 | Cidan | Hm |
| 20:51.22 | Cidan | I'm hungry, what should I eat? |
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| 20:51.37 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/113057-4emz |
| 20:51.38 | foxlit | sighs |
| 20:52.37 | Cairenn | hmmmm, thunder storm warnings - if I disappear, that'd be why |
| 20:52.51 | Cidan | scares away all the storms. |
| 20:52.55 | Cidan | All better! |
| 20:53.03 | Cairenn | huggles Cidan |
| 20:53.12 | Cidan | grins |
| 20:53.32 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, food |
| 20:53.42 | Cidan | Thunder_Child: Hm. Perhaps. |
| 20:53.54 | Thunder_Child | just a suggestion |
| 20:54.36 | Cidan | It's a thought, yes. |
| 20:55.15 | Thunder_Child | though how many other options do you have? |
| 20:55.43 | Cidan | Well, there's always my left foot. |
| 20:58.23 | Iriel | foxlit: What are you trying to do there? It looks like it should be solveable by a simple trig calc |
| 20:59.24 | foxlit | It should be, but it was faster to use that than to actually solve the problem. |
| 21:00.09 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, is that not food? |
| 21:00.16 | Cidan | Thunder_Child: To some. |
| 21:00.39 | Iriel | foxlit: what exactly is the goal though? |
| 21:00.47 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/content/store/geom.png << ignore the smaller circle. The problem is to determine such a radius R that none of the axa squares distributed uniformly around the resulting circle intersect. |
| 21:01.19 | Iriel | hm |
| 21:01.26 | Iriel | for any N? |
| 21:01.39 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 21:02.12 | Iriel | Squares make it a bit less trivial for sure |
| 21:02.29 | krka | trivial: R = huge |
| 21:02.37 | krka | do you want the smallest R? |
| 21:02.44 | Iriel | I'm guessing the goal is the smallest R |
| 21:02.48 | Iriel | Or close to it |
| 21:02.48 | krka | :P |
| 21:03.00 | foxlit | ^ What Iriel said. |
| 21:03.04 | krka | N = number of squares? |
| 21:03.30 | krka | a trivial upper bound is if you convert the squares to enclosing circles |
| 21:03.36 | Iriel | for large N, an approximation using the bounding circle around each square would be pretty good |
| 21:03.49 | krka | that's what i said! |
| 21:03.51 | krka | almost |
| 21:03.58 | Iriel | yes, we were thinking the same thing 8-) |
| 21:04.47 | krka | yeah, then diameter = box-radius * 2 * N |
| 21:04.55 | krka | err |
| 21:04.55 | krka | sorry |
| 21:04.59 | krka | that's circumference |
| 21:05.13 | krka | so R = circumference / (2*pi) |
| 21:05.27 | Iriel | Does the first box always have to be directly east of the center? |
| 21:05.53 | foxlit | No, no guarantees about the arrangement except that it's uniform. |
| 21:06.07 | krka | for large N, i'd do the circle approach |
| 21:06.25 | krka | for small N, i'd start with the circle approach, and then binary search for smaller R |
| 21:06.43 | krka | i.e. test individual box intersections |
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| 21:07.17 | Iriel | foxlit: Do you need an R such that ALL arrangements wont overlap, or just such that ONE wont?? |
| 21:07.23 | Fisker- | :( |
| 21:07.25 | Fisker- | this is bad |
| 21:07.30 | krka | what are you trying to do exactly btw? |
| 21:07.38 | krka | circular actionbuttons or something? |
| 21:07.48 | Fisker- | this makes absolutely no sense btw :( |
| 21:07.52 | Fisker- | http://i43.tinypic.com/r7iwqx.jpg |
| 21:07.53 | krka | Iriel: good point |
| 21:08.13 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh |
| 21:08.25 | Fisker- | You wanted a 22" widescreen monitor? |
| 21:08.40 | Iriel | I have one of those! |
| 21:08.44 | Iriel | (A 22" widescreen monitor) |
| 21:08.50 | Fisker- | I got one to spare now |
| 21:09.04 | jnwhiteh | 22" <3 |
| 21:09.07 | foxlit | Iriel: all would probably be better; I think I'm currently blissfully ignoring the rotational dissymmetry. |
| 21:10.39 | Iriel | Well, worst case, I think, is when 2 adjacent squares are corner to corner |
| 21:10.42 | foxlit | krka: Something like that, yes. |
| 21:10.58 | Iriel | I think |
| 21:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 22" <3 indeed |
| 21:12.24 | krka | Iriel: yeah, and in that case, the bounding circle should be optimal, i think |
| 21:12.43 | Iriel | krka: looks that way |
| 21:13.08 | krka | i'd just go for that solution unless optimal r was extremely important |
| 21:13.13 | krka | simplicity ftw |
| 21:18.09 | Iriel | I think it's something like R = sqrt(2a) / (2 * sin(pi / N)) |
| 21:18.54 | krka | a is side of square? |
| 21:19.12 | Iriel | yup |
| 21:19.19 | krka | not sure if a should be inside the sqrt... hm |
| 21:19.32 | Iriel | You're right |
| 21:19.41 | krka | need to pencil this down anyway |
| 21:19.44 | Iriel | I didn't cancel my ^2 out poroperly |
| 21:20.48 | Aelobin | Wobin: you thar? :P |
| 21:20.50 | Iriel | R = a * (1 / sqrt(2)) / sin(pi/N) |
| 21:21.57 | krka | my guess: R = N * a*sqrt(s) / (2*pi) |
| 21:22.01 | Kraftman | out of interest, which is faster: sqrt or ^0.5 ? |
| 21:22.07 | krka | sqrt |
| 21:22.14 | Kraftman | ty |
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| 21:22.35 | krka | your formula looks insane Iriel |
| 21:22.37 | krka | i totally don't get it |
| 21:23.26 | krka | hmm |
| 21:23.40 | krka | i have a typo in mine, sqrt(s) should be sqrt(2) obviously |
| 21:24.41 | Iriel | Consider a triangle |
| 21:24.52 | Iriel | (right angled) |
| 21:25.09 | krka | of course |
| 21:25.09 | Iriel | the hypoteneuse (sp) runs from the center of the circle to the center of a square |
| 21:25.10 | batbot | Iriel, hypotenuse. |
| 21:25.13 | krka | pythagorean triangle |
| 21:25.26 | Iriel | the opposite is half the diagonal of the square |
| 21:25.32 | Iriel | and the angle is 360 / (2N) |
| 21:25.42 | Iriel | or 2PI / 2N or PI/N |
| 21:26.06 | krka | you lost me :/ |
| 21:26.08 | krka | i need visuals |
| 21:26.18 | Iriel | batbot: You can tell it's been over a decade since I had to write anythoing other than 'h' or 'hypot' |
| 21:26.50 | krka | batbot is a spelchecker (sp) ? |
| 21:26.50 | batbot | krka, Cannot predict now. |
| 21:27.01 | krka | batbot is a spell cheker (sp) ? |
| 21:27.02 | batbot | krka, You may rely on it. |
| 21:27.06 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh |
| 21:27.07 | krka | bah |
| 21:27.14 | krka | batbot is a spell cheker (sp). |
| 21:27.15 | batbot | krka, checker, cheer, chewer, choker. |
| 21:27.22 | krka | interesting |
| 21:27.46 | Thunder_Child | krka, it alwas was, but the lib broke reicently |
| 21:28.14 | krka | Iriel: intersting that our formulas differ so |
| 21:28.23 | krka | i wonder if they're equivalent or if i'm wrong |
| 21:28.29 | krka | that's the only two options as i see i t:P |
| 21:28.33 | Iriel | You're wrong |
| 21:28.39 | Iriel | there can't be a linear dependency on N |
| 21:28.42 | Iriel | that just doesn't make sense |
| 21:29.21 | krka | why not? if you increase more boxes, you need larger radius |
| 21:29.21 | krka | err, my english sucks when it's late :( |
| 21:30.26 | Iriel | krka: For large N, yours will produce almost the same values, I think |
| 21:30.53 | krka | yes, i haven't considered small N:s at all really |
| 21:31.29 | Iriel | What yours doesn't factor in is that the circle is curved, but the line from the center of the box to its edge is not |
| 21:31.34 | Iriel | Which is where the sin comes in |
| 21:31.57 | Iriel | (Amusingly enough I had a huge fight with my physics department at highschool, something like 20 years ago, about this) |
| 21:32.20 | Iriel | They set an exam question about placing washers around the edge of a circle |
| 21:32.42 | Iriel | where the answer was different depending on whether you approximated or did the math correctly |
| 21:32.49 | krka | ah true |
| 21:32.51 | krka | you're right |
| 21:33.41 | krka | and for large N, sin(pi/N) = pi/N, so we get the same formula for large N |
| 21:33.49 | Iriel | nods |
| 21:34.17 | Iriel | foxlit: Aren't you glad you pasteyed that code? |
| 21:34.20 | Iriel | foxlit: 8-) |
| 21:35.10 | krka | yay, i remembered the old rule about small values for sin |
| 21:35.53 | krka | still haven't fully understood how the sin gets in there, but it's probably because i visualized the problem wrongly |
| 21:37.17 | Iriel | Here's what I drew... |
| 21:37.28 | Iriel | I drew two squares, touching at a corner |
| 21:37.56 | Iriel | I drew a line connecting their centers |
| 21:38.02 | Iriel | and then a line perpendicular to that |
| 21:38.19 | Iriel | P picked a spot on that perpendicular, as the center f the circle |
| 21:38.26 | Iriel | and drew a line from that to the center of one of the squares |
| 21:38.30 | krka | ah right |
| 21:38.31 | krka | i get it now |
| 21:38.42 | krka | makes sense |
| 21:39.50 | Iriel | And on that note, i'm going to practice some rock band drums |
| 21:39.55 | krka | heh |
| 21:44.49 | Jamash | I get r = L * sqrt(2) / (2 * sin(pi / N)) where L is the side of the square and N is the number of squares |
| 21:48.52 | Jamash | which is what Iriel got |
| 21:49.14 | krka | yeah |
| 21:53.06 | Jamash | at which point we have simply reinvented the formula for a circle circumscribed about a regular polygon |
| 21:55.23 | DWSR | Hey, this spec look good for Warlock PvP? http://is.gd/uznE |
| 21:55.39 | Iriel | Jamash: I'd say "re-derived" - the formula has always been there, we can't "invent" it 8-) |
| 21:55.57 | Jamash | Iriel: yeah, that's what I should have said :p |
| 21:57.33 | foxlit | "Iriel: foxlit: Aren't you glad you pasteyed that code?" << Mhm! |
| 21:58.12 | Shefki | Iriel: Ohh dear that's a math debate like vim vs Emacs is to programmers. |
| 21:58.33 | Jamash | the platonists vs whoever? |
| 21:58.38 | Iriel | Shefki: Emacs, that's not even a question, never mind a debate 8-) |
| 21:58.42 | Iriel | grins, and runs |
| 21:59.14 | krka | emacs is awesome, it just needs a good text editor |
| 21:59.15 | krka | runs |
| 21:59.28 | Jamash | "Emacs is for people who don't like life, and vim is for cannibalistic lobsterboys." |
| 21:59.33 | AbsolutRayne | Northrend keeps crashing on our Server |
| 21:59.35 | AbsolutRayne | lol |
| 21:59.42 | Fisker- | suggest me a new monitor bitches |
| 21:59.43 | Fisker- | 22" |
| 21:59.47 | Shefki | AbsolutRayne: Well stop whatever you're doing to crash it. |
| 21:59.54 | foxlit | samsung 226* |
| 22:00.07 | Jamash | frank's 2000" tv |
| 22:01.52 | Fisker- | sounds 26" foxlit |
| 22:02.22 | foxlit | I wish. |
| 22:02.53 | Fisker- | link or it didn't happen |
| 22:04.19 | DWSR | Hey, this spec look good for Warlock PvP? http://is.gd/uznE |
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| 22:04.46 | AbsolutRayne | Zomg Keylogger! |
| 22:05.06 | Fisker- | agreed |
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| 22:17.08 | Adys | so let me be first to ask |
| 22:17.13 | Adys | where are the eggs supposed to be. |
| 22:18.52 | cncfanatics | Adys: you kill other faction's players and get eggs from their corpses ! (they'll be blood-stained though and you'll have to wash them) |
| 22:19.11 | Adys | your mom is bloodstained |
| 22:19.20 | cncfanatics | indeed |
| 22:21.57 | Aelobin | to any theorycrafters in here, if the AP coefficient is equal to 25% for DKs, if you take the AP and divide it by 4, will that tell you the increason in DPS? |
| 22:22.12 | Adys | commonners are spawning and despawning... |
| 22:22.16 | Aelobin | or will it be the increase in damage? or is that still the same as dps xD |
| 22:24.52 | cncfanatics | Aelobin: that depends on how the ability ur calculating for scales with AP |
| 22:25.05 | Aelobin | just white dps :P |
| 22:25.25 | Aelobin | its confusing me :P |
| 22:25.44 | cncfanatics | 1 dps per 14 AP , iirc :unsure: |
| 22:25.44 | Aelobin | i have 2 axes, and one's got 3 sockets. so im trying to figure out the dps of each axe with str socketted in it |
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| 22:27.11 | Aelobin | meh 3 different methods i've used to try calculate it, the unsocketted one comes out higher so i think ill just go for that :) |
| 22:32.26 | Legorol | Aelobin: which of the three methods was correct? :) |
| 22:32.33 | Aelobin | no idea xD |
| 22:32.53 | Aelobin | im basically looking for a way to convert str to dps :P |
| 22:32.55 | Legorol | is it possible none of them? |
| 22:33.01 | Aelobin | most likely :P |
| 22:33.02 | Legorol | that's fairly straightforward, what class are you? |
| 22:33.17 | Legorol | warrior or paladin or dk? |
| 22:33.29 | bleeter | Dear Blizz, You fail at calendars again. It's not spring in Oceania. KTHXBAI. |
| 22:33.30 | Aelobin | dk |
| 22:33.40 | Aelobin | the AP coefficient of a DK is said to be 25% for auto attacks |
| 22:33.45 | Legorol | do you have any talent that gives bonus on str, such as Ravenous Dead? |
| 22:33.53 | Legorol | Aelobin: that's totally irrelevant :) |
| 22:33.59 | Legorol | and wrong |
| 22:34.00 | Aelobin | i have +6% str but i was adding that into the calculations :p |
| 22:34.07 | Legorol | there is no such thing as "AP coefficient for auto attacks" |
| 22:34.17 | Legorol | ok, this is the formula you need: |
| 22:34.31 | Legorol | 1 str = 2 ap, and 14 ap = +1 dps |
| 22:34.45 | Aelobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Attack_power_coefficient :P |
| 22:34.49 | Legorol | this +1 dps is equivalent to having two identical weapons, one having 1 dps more than the other |
| 22:34.54 | bleeter | trust me, it's fkn raining and windy and snowing and wet and damp and horrible it's not fucking spring in oceania |
| 22:35.13 | Aelobin | ok so if i have 2 weapons with str and dps on |
| 22:35.26 | Aelobin | i can compare them by adding 1dps for every 7 str on each weapon |
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| 22:35.44 | Jamash | without figuring in talents, yes |
| 22:35.49 | Aelobin | :) |
| 22:36.03 | Jamash | and abitlites that work off unmodified weapon damage |
| 22:36.04 | bleeter | guess I shouldn't bitch that much, seems that they've finally got their code base under control to have far more Oceanic offpeak restarts than ever before, that's a big plus ;) |
| 22:36.33 | bleeter | not a single peak time scheduled restart since 3.1 came out, afaik |
| 22:36.34 | Legorol | Aelobin: that table is for *damage*, not for dps |
| 22:36.50 | bleeter | which is really quite an achievement *gold star* |
| 22:36.53 | Legorol | aelobin: i can tell you how the numbers in the table are arrived at, because it's trivial |
| 22:37.04 | Aelobin | :P |
| 22:37.12 | Legorol | for 14 AP, you get 1 dps |
| 22:37.18 | Legorol | i.e. 1 AP = 1/14 dps |
| 22:37.36 | Legorol | a weapon with speed of, say, 3.0 therefore deals 1/14*3.0 extra damage per AP |
| 22:37.43 | bleeter | Jamash: don't freakin' mention talents to me atm :( |
| 22:37.45 | Legorol | check the table, you get the number there :) |
| 22:38.06 | Legorol | it's very basic math |
| 22:38.34 | bleeter | quick question to throw out to all: can anyone think of a reason why Blizz would block Druids from accepting a summon when they're in flight form? |
| 22:38.46 | bleeter | 'coz every time someone tries to summon my druid in flight form, ACCEPT is greyed out |
| 22:38.47 | Aelobin | ty :) |
| 22:38.59 | Aelobin | so after working out the math on these weapons... |
| 22:39.00 | Legorol | Aelobin: however, if you have two weapons where one of them has 1 dps and the other has 7 str but are otherwise identical, pick the one with str. |
| 22:39.00 | bleeter | and I'm like 'wtf mechanic changed for that, or why? no sense' |
| 22:39.16 | Legorol | That's because there are many effects that increase the contribution of your str |
| 22:39.30 | Aelobin | i get more str on the socketted weapon, but more dps crit and hit on the non-socketted :) |
| 22:41.04 | Aelobin | its 39str and 17agi vs 19.5dps, 43 crit, 21sta and 28hit |
| 22:41.16 | Aelobin | i think the right one wins :P |
| 22:41.24 | Legorol | nobrainer |
| 22:41.33 | Aelobin | wooo :D |
| 22:41.48 | Aelobin | called my char "Frozendeath" because i thought i'd be using Axe of Frozen Death (which is the right hand side one) |
| 22:41.54 | Aelobin | im glad the maths works out :P |
| 22:43.25 | bleeter | Legorol: so they nerfed the XT trash for us ;) |
| 22:44.09 | Legorol | bleeter: so i heard, i shall see tomorrow |
| 22:44.14 | Legorol | pity, as i was starting to have a plan :) |
| 22:44.40 | Legorol | bleeter, how big is the nerf? |
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| 22:45.58 | bleeter | Legorol: dunno, ain't been back since it happened. the forum post announcing it read like a small tweak, and tbh I suspect all it needed was a small tweak too |
| 22:46.30 | bleeter | Legorol: I'll prolly find out in ~10 hours time, I'll let you know ;) |
| 22:50.14 | Legorol | cheers |
| 22:50.23 | Legorol | we were doing it totally wrong anyway, which would explain the wipefest |
| 22:51.31 | Cidan | ow |
| 22:51.34 | Cidan | my teeth hurt |
| 22:51.35 | Cidan | wtf |
| 22:51.36 | Cidan | D: |
| 22:52.20 | Jamash | they'll have to come out! |
| 22:54.31 | Thunder_Child | do dots still dmg Anub'arak when he goes under? |
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| 22:55.04 | Arrowmaster | they did last time i did it i think |
| 22:55.27 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt show up in the combat log though |
| 22:55.50 | Arrowmaster | guess they changed it |
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| 23:05.12 | Elly | you have not done it correctly |
| 23:06.10 | Aezay | Does anyone know what event to wait for to make sure the player's talents has loaded? |
| 23:08.14 | Jamash | according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_loading_process it's PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 23:08.37 | Jamash | no wait I misread it |
| 23:08.42 | Jamash | it's PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 23:08.56 | Aezay | Oh, just looked through the FrameXML, and it registers PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE, but I couldn't find that even on wowwiki |
| 23:09.10 | Jamash | that fires when swapping specs |
| 23:09.19 | Jamash | I'm not sure when it fires otherwise |
| 23:10.47 | Aezay | guess I'll have to schedule an even 1-2 sec after PLAYER_LOGIN then |
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| 23:11.32 | Aezay | Oh, just did a relog and PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE does actually fire on login, but not on reloadui, but the problem I had was only related to login, so I guess this is all good |
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| 23:12.56 | Aezay | thanks for the help Jamash |
| 23:14.49 | joau | question: when I'm talking to an NPC, how can I retrieve his name? |
| 23:15.42 | Aezay | joau, UnitName("npc") |
| 23:15.51 | joau | thanks :) |
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| 23:34.07 | Adys | anyone decent in python here? |
| 23:36.49 | Arrowmaster | Aezay: best way to check for player talents is to create a dummy frame with an OnUpdate, do your init in the OnUpdate and nil out the OnUpdate hander on the frame inside the OnUpdate so it only runs once |
| 23:37.40 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: in what way is that "best"? |
| 23:38.00 | Arrowmaster | because its the only way that works on reloadui |
| 23:38.19 | Aezay | Arrowmaster, thanks, was afraid of that, wtb talent loaded event. Already using my addons' frame for a delayed update in the OnUpdate Handler, so I guess I'll have to make a new dummy frame |
| 23:38.50 | Arrowmaster | unless the load order on reloadui has changed that is, PLAYER_ALIVE didnt used to fire on reloadui |
| 23:39.05 | Aezay | Arrowmaster, actually, on a reloadui, talents are available on PLAYER_LOGIN, but not when doing a full relog |
| 23:39.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah but you have no clue which was done |
| 23:39.59 | Arrowmaster | i guess you could do something kinda dirty like checking if the player is in any channels |
| 23:40.10 | Arrowmaster | but that wouldnt work if the player left all channels |
| 23:40.58 | Jamash | ... why not just check at both PLAYER_ALIVE and PLAYER_LOGIN? |
| 23:41.02 | Aezay | Actually, I will just hijack my main frame's OnUpdate for the first 1-2 seconds after PLAYER_LOGIN, then hand it over to my normal delayed update I'm using, that way I don't have to create more frames than needed |
| 23:45.56 | Arrowmaster | Aezay: so your going to have the first function change the script handler to the second one so on the first frame draw func1 is used and after that func2 is? good idea |
| 23:46.20 | Aezay | Arrowmaster, yeah, exactly |
| 23:49.09 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh want a free 22"? |
| 23:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | careful with your answer |
| 23:50.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a CRT |
| 23:50.19 | Fisker- | naw |
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| 23:56.22 | joau | can someone confirm this: using SetScript() replaces any previous script, while HookScript() can have many hooks |
| 23:56.31 | joau | is this correct? |
| 23:56.54 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 23:57.33 | joau | so... why use SetScript() at all? :) |
| 23:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | HookScript() didn't always exist, and further HookScript() is only supposed to be used when you actually want to hook a script |
| 23:58.10 | Iriel | (a) HookScript didn't used to work if you didn't have an existing script |
| 23:58.20 | Iriel | (b) HookScript is relative new |
| 23:58.54 | Iriel | (c) you might not WANT a "previous" script |
| 23:58.58 | bleeter | Legorol: i dunno if we'll have any better luck tonight. my new raid leader has this 'zerg this shit and hope it works, if it doesn't i'll then worry about strat' mentality :( |
| 23:59.20 | Legorol | well it's a good approach for the first one or two tries |
| 23:59.32 | Legorol | it allows you to check the combatlog afterwards and find out what's going on :) |
| 23:59.41 | Legorol | without spending ages on mobs you haven't even seen in action |
| 23:59.51 | bleeter | but for 8th attempt, on the 2nd night? ... |
| 23:59.57 | Legorol | yah that sucks |
