| 00:00.45 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("doesn't"):gsub("([`'\"])(.-)([`'\"])", "|cff8888ff%1%2%3|r") |
| 00:00.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: doesn't, 0 |
| 00:00.59 | Arrowmaster | lua> ([["doesn't"]]):gsub("([`'\"])(.-)([`'\"])", "|cff8888ff%1%2%3|r") |
| 00:01.00 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: |cff8888ff"doesn'|rt", 1 |
| 00:01.34 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("\"doesn't\""):gsub("([`'\"])(.-)([`'\"])", "|cff8888ff%1%2%3|r") |
| 00:01.34 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: |cff8888ff"doesn'|rt", 1 |
| 00:01.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("\"doesn\39t\""):gsub("([`'\"])(.-)([`'\"])", "|cff8888ff%1%2%3|r") |
| 00:01.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: |cff8888ff"doesn'|rt", 1 |
| 00:01.51 | Arrowmaster | damnit |
| 00:03.12 | mikma | don't gsub me bro |
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| 00:04.22 | NightHawkTheSane | tasers mikma |
| 00:04.44 | mikma | OWW OWWWW OWWWWWW |
| 00:05.11 | Dagmar | You can build up a tolerance for those things |
| 00:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, sorry mikma. I was blissfully unaware you did NOT want me to do that. |
| 00:05.34 | Dagmar | Yes there's a reason I always stick one hand in my pocket when I'm working with live circuits now. |
| 00:05.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah... thats more information than i needed, thanks. |
| 00:06.57 | Dagmar | It's pretty much the same reason I don't work as an electrician professionally. |
| 00:07.05 | Dagmar | Been electrocuted too many times |
| 00:11.07 | amro | I'd say you haven't been electrocuted enough |
| 00:12.31 | Dagmar | Well, I thought it was kinda funny until I had an EE class |
| 00:12.50 | Dagmar | For some reason, instructors frown on their students taking 110Vac casually |
| 00:15.14 | kd3 | zzap |
| 00:16.27 | Syzgyn | Why must it always start storming an hour before my raid? |
| 00:16.30 | Dagmar | What kills me is that if I'd taken what I was working on idly in the 9th grade seriously, it would count as prior art against Taser International's patent |
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| 00:17.08 | amro | if you mail an heirloom to another character and back, can you still get a refund within 2 hours? |
| 00:17.25 | Dagmar | Maybe |
| 00:17.38 | Dagmar | ...but that wouldn't really be in the spirit of the reason you can get a refund |
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| 00:19.40 | amro | yea, it kinda is: you mail it to an alt, then realize for X or Y reason you can't use it/don't want to |
| 00:20.07 | Dagmar | Good luck trying |
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| 00:29.39 | Nuckin | ok so i have an odd issue regarding settexcoord |
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| 00:29.55 | Nuckin | http://www.pastey.net/112942 is the code |
| 00:29.58 | Syzgyn | So it's been sunny all day |
| 00:30.03 | Syzgyn | not a cloud in the sky |
| 00:30.10 | Nuckin | http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/FreakEffects/WoWScrnShot_042309_161726.jpg |
| 00:30.11 | Syzgyn | and all of a sudden it starts fucking hailing |
| 00:30.48 | Nuckin | the bar in the center screen has a redish block that was cut and is supposed to be at the top of the bar its within |
| 00:30.54 | Nuckin | not the bottom |
| 00:31.07 | Nuckin | it is however anchored to TOPLEFT of its contained |
| 00:31.11 | Nuckin | container* |
| 00:31.17 | Syzgyn | Offset? |
| 00:32.58 | Nuckin | but shouldnt the settexcoord respect the anchor imposed on the frame? |
| 00:33.30 | Nuckin | bear in mind, this is my first "from scratch" addon |
| 00:33.42 | Nuckin | hacking addons is a lot easier =P |
| 00:35.22 | Nuckin | this place is dead tonight |
| 00:35.23 | Nuckin | lol |
| 00:36.00 | Jamash | I'm still re-watching that garry's mod video |
| 00:36.20 | Nuckin | well any garry's mod video takes precedence |
| 00:36.21 | Nuckin | lol |
| 00:37.56 | amro | Dagmar: it's possible |
| 00:38.29 | Dagmar | Okay, congratulations |
| 00:38.38 | Dagmar | Me, I just buy greens |
| 00:38.48 | Jamash | ...people buy greens? |
| 00:39.10 | Dagmar | Easier than waiting for the right ones to drop |
| 00:39.28 | Dagmar | Hell, I've actually tried to buy them from myself before because I was careless about dumping my extras |
| 00:39.34 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 00:42.20 | kd3 | heh, yay for firefox updating itself under me and my only notification being random ass bugs |
| 00:42.48 | Dagmar | Interesting. I've never seen it try to update itself in the background. |
| 00:42.51 | Hirsute-Home | kd3: Odd. It notified me. |
| 00:42.57 | Dagmar | Ubuntu on the other hand, has no problems with updating firefox while you're using it |
| 00:42.58 | kd3 | yum updated it |
| 00:43.03 | Dagmar | Dingdingding |
| 00:43.05 | Hirsute-Home | Ah |
| 00:43.11 | Nuckin | no one with even a suggestion? :( |
| 00:43.11 | Dagmar | that'll bork it right up |
| 00:43.36 | Hirsute-Home | Nuckin: No idea |
| 00:43.50 | Hirsute-Home | <--doesn't play with frames/controls, etc. |
| 00:44.17 | Hirsute-Home | Anyhow, time to switch compies... back in a bit. |
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| 00:54.01 | Nuckin | argh, nothing works, cleared points, offsets, nada |
| 00:55.39 | mikma | nuckin: whats the problem? |
| 00:56.36 | Cloudwolf | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45992#comments |
| 00:56.38 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 00:56.44 | Cloudwolf | i just got that it repalces my old +20 one yay |
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| 00:57.11 | Dagmar | Damn I've actually been hoping for that one |
| 00:57.42 | mikma | if you have done the fishing quest, you get a +25 pole |
| 00:57.53 | Cloudwolf | which fishing quest? |
| 00:58.08 | mikma | the one in theramore |
| 00:58.30 | Dagmar | Yes, but it looks like a normal pole |
| 00:58.34 | Dagmar | ...which sucks. |
| 00:58.41 | mikma | sure, but is +25 =) |
| 01:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
| 01:00.49 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: poke |
| 01:01.01 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:01.02 | Cloudwolf | but the one i just got is +30 |
| 01:01.02 | Shirik | fyi |
| 01:01.03 | Cloudwolf | :P |
| 01:01.15 | mikma | yes, i read that |
| 01:01.18 | Cloudwolf | and looks pretty lol |
| 01:01.19 | Shirik | I spent 2 hours debugging the cert chain |
| 01:01.30 | Shirik | And found out my intermediate CA does not have CA permission |
| 01:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds like you |
| 01:02.36 | kd3 | is this where I point and laugh? |
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| 01:07.29 | Thunder_Child | lol @ Codayus |
| 01:22.37 | Shirik | Wow something is really broken with tooltips |
| 01:23.01 | Shirik | Hovering over player: Kimina Level 80 Blood Elf Priest (Player) <-- normal |
| 01:23.30 | Shirik | Hovering over warlock pet: Level 80 Jhuuroon Jhuuroon (Player) <-- wtf |
| 01:23.41 | tekkub | whiner |
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| 01:24.53 | Nuckin | Shirik: WoW X.1 == beta, wait for 3.2 for stable =P |
| 01:26.37 | mikma | ^^ you made me insert keke-face! |
| 01:28.08 | ZorbaGama | yeah, I've noticed tooltips getting quite flaky also |
| 01:34.12 | kd3 | grr |
| 01:34.23 | kd3 | did they not add elixir of water walking to northrend alchemy research? |
| 01:34.44 | Dagmar | You want walk on water? YOU MUST FEESH! |
| 01:34.47 | NightHawkTheSane | they did? |
| 01:35.03 | kd3 | oh fail |
| 01:35.06 | kd3 | I've already learned it |
| 01:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ~fail kd3 |
| 01:35.12 | purl | kd3, you Fail! |
| 01:35.14 | kd3 | way to burn a stack of mats, kd3 |
| 01:35.21 | Dagmar | hehe |
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| 01:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm beginning to really fucking loathe healbot. |
| 01:48.03 | Aezay | Is there an event associated with NotifyInspect() for when gear item links are available through GetInventoryItemLink()? |
| 01:55.28 | Ackis | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/arl.aspx#455289 |
| 02:00.10 | kd3 | oh geez. another ability that's acting differently in pve and pve |
| 02:00.22 | Aezay | Ackis, how can someone still be running 2.4, china or private server? |
| 02:00.30 | kd3 | china's on 3.0.5 |
| 02:00.36 | kd3 | it'd be a private server |
| 02:00.39 | Ackis | I woould think private |
| 02:01.17 | Aezay | I just read something about them not being able to get it released to china because they were so much against undead etc |
| 02:01.23 | kd3 | that's wrath itself |
| 02:01.25 | Dagmar | Definitely a private server |
| 02:01.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Syzgyn (n=ghost429@75.138.80.103) |
| 02:02.08 | Syzgyn | So the guildy who wanted to know how to write an addon |
| 02:02.13 | Syzgyn | whispers me saying 'I wrote a bot!' |
| 02:02.24 | Syzgyn | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112969 |
| 02:02.30 | Ackis | the new cat's name is baxter, and I'm singing "baxters back alright!!! everybody! yahhhh yahhh!!!" |
| 02:02.52 | Torhal | Syzgyn: ... |
| 02:02.59 | Syzgyn | pretty much |
| 02:03.38 | Syzgyn | He said something like all he had to do was target a mob |
| 02:03.56 | Syzgyn | and it would use his abilities and throw an error |
| 02:04.00 | Antiarc | "Basically the .lua is hard to read, but not obfuscated." |
| 02:04.04 | Antiarc | WTF DO YOU THINK OBFUSCATION IS |
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| 02:04.40 | Ackis | Antiarc: want ot get married for fun? |
| 02:04.47 | Antiarc | what |
| 02:05.04 | Torhal | Antiarc: He asked if you wanted to punch him in the throat. |
| 02:05.10 | Antiarc | Oh, yes then |
| 02:05.18 | Ackis | da dummm du dummm |
| 02:06.27 | Syzgyn | Antiarc: Damn, you're still going on about that? |
| 02:06.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: *blink* |
| 02:06.46 | Antiarc | That post happened a few minutes ago :P |
| 02:07.19 | Syzgyn | All I know is when I got on hours ago you were arguing about the peggle obfuscation :P |
| 02:07.50 | Antiarc | I sorta latch onto a topic then rage on it for 36 hours or so >_> |
| 02:08.02 | Syzgyn | I hear ya |
| 02:09.50 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Kinda strains the mind a bit eh? |
| 02:10.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: i'm still trying to figure out what he thinks he wrote, what it's supposed to do, and what language he wrote it in :P |
| 02:10.19 | Syzgyn | hehe |
| 02:11.12 | Dagmar | It's a shame we can't have flowers planted in these people's heads so their skulls can be doing something useful |
| 02:14.00 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 02:14.08 | Thunder_Child | so who has made kd3's flame tornado addon yet? |
| 02:14.31 | Wobin | zomg peggle? |
| 02:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs at watching this raid group completely fuck up tank transition on 4hm |
| 02:15.04 | Dagmar | It's retarded |
| 02:15.22 | Dagmar | One of the authors has *posted* that the intention was to keep people out of the source, and yet we've got idiots claiming there was no intent |
| 02:15.43 | Wobin | ... no intent from popcap? |
| 02:17.40 | Arrowmaster | bejeweled was score hacked perty easily though |
| 02:17.45 | Arrowmaster | just edit saved vars |
| 02:20.46 | Ackis | You've collected 93 of 110 pets |
| 02:20.54 | sacarasc | :o |
| 02:21.04 | sacarasc | I'm only at 62. :( |
| 02:22.00 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/04/23/snuggie-pub-crawl-its-happening |
| 02:22.03 | Ackis | if only someone would give me a murky pet!!!! |
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| 02:22.17 | Pytlask | wants a murky pet too :( |
| 02:22.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: 93? i hate you. |
| 02:23.05 | Arrowmaster | snuggie is a fucking knockoff |
| 02:23.24 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: :( |
| 02:23.25 | sacarasc | I do have the 2 BoP engineering ones. |
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| 02:23.48 | Ackis | i don't |
| 02:24.30 | sacarasc | That's because you suck! |
| 02:24.33 | Ackis | :O |
| 02:24.48 | Ackis | http://www.warcraftpets.com/account/profile.asp?user=ackis#col |
| 02:25.25 | Torhal | Ackis: Kaelten still has an unused code. |
| 02:25.34 | Ackis | Torhal: I hate you |
| 02:25.41 | Torhal | Ackis: Me? |
| 02:26.05 | sacarasc | Awww, I only have 2 you don't have. |
| 02:26.44 | Dagmar | FINALLY someone besides effing ME in that thread notices that the f**king author has come out and *said* the damn thing was obfuscated on purpose |
| 02:27.29 | Wobin | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5191040/Astronomers-find-Milky-Way-could-taste-of-raspberries.html |
| 02:27.35 | sacarasc | 3, sorry. I have the alliance squire. |
| 02:28.02 | Wobin | "It [ethyl formate] does happen to give raspberries their flavour, but there are many other molecules that are needed to make space raspberries." |
| 02:28.44 | Pytlask | Dagmar: Do you ahve a link to that? |
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| 02:29.54 | Dagmar | Pytlask: To the miracle? Yeah one moment |
| 02:30.27 | Ackis | with the argent tournament, how are people getting the tokens so fast for the pets/mounts/etc? |
| 02:30.56 | Dagmar | Pytlask: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473912523&sid=1&pageNo=4 reply 69 |
| 02:31.07 | Dagmar | Someone named Kissy <Moon Guard> |
| 02:31.32 | Ackis | Dagmar: doesn't kissy come into IRC? |
| 02:31.33 | Ackis | ~seen kissy |
| 02:31.35 | purl | kissy <n=alexia@74.94.36.102> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 6d 6h 5m 36s ago, saying: 'The Unarchiver or StuffIt will open it.'. |
| 02:31.41 | Ackis | ~seen Kaeltenpenis |
| 02:31.41 | purl | Ackis: i haven't seen 'kaeltenpenis' |
| 02:31.45 | Ackis | nor have I purl |
| 02:31.52 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i dont think its been long enough for anybody to have a mount yet |
| 02:32.04 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: people are saying they're getting the pets already |
| 02:32.05 | Pytlask | Dagmar: No, I meant to where the popcap person said that it was obfuscated |
| 02:32.15 | Dagmar | Moonglade's responses |
| 02:32.25 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i guess its about right, the pet is perty cheap |
| 02:32.28 | Dagmar | Hell I even quoted the guy |
| 02:32.36 | Pytlask | Ackis/Arrowmaster: I've been doing every quest every day since patch and have 30 Champion's Seals. Take that as you will |
| 02:32.40 | Dagmar | er Moongaze |
| 02:32.49 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: see |
| 02:32.53 | Dagmar | Pytlask: Look at response 13 |
| 02:33.04 | Dagmar | "The Peggle.lua file is hard to read, yes, and this was done to curb cheating, removal proprietary information from the comments, and to optimize the lua file for size and a little faster interpret time." |
| 02:33.35 | Arrowmaster | drop it already |
| 02:34.03 | Ackis | Pytlask: I have 19 only |
| 02:34.16 | Arrowmaster | they could have coded the logic intentionally hard to read to protect secrets without using luasrcdiet |
| 02:35.04 | Pytlask | Ackis: Are you EU? I believe EU had one less day. And did you complete the Black Knight quest line right away to get the daily that gives 2? |
| 02:35.21 | Arrowmaster | Pytlask: that gives a daily? |
| 02:35.22 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 02:35.25 | Arrowmaster | i still havent done that |
| 02:35.27 | Ackis | Pytlask: ahh ok I haven't done the black knight one yet, and I missed 1 day I think |
| 02:35.46 | Pytlask | Yup. When you finish that quest line, another daily (group, 3 people) opens up that gives 2 marks |
| 02:35.59 | sacarasc | The black knight was too easy. |
| 02:36.03 | Dagmar | Arromaster: You drop it if you're going to keep bringing up points. The use of luasrcdiet doesn't really have anything to do with that their intent and their result was to obfuscate the code |
| 02:36.12 | Wobin | that group daily is irritating |
| 02:36.18 | Dagmar | Wobin: You can't solo it? |
| 02:36.26 | Wobin | "You cannot cast that spell on a beastmaster or invisible god" |
| 02:36.32 | Dagmar | herh |
| 02:36.36 | Arrowmaster | then how about the intent of the rule |
| 02:36.39 | Wobin | I get that all the time when trying to pull |
| 02:36.41 | sacarasc | I've had that error before. |
| 02:36.52 | Ackis | Pytlask: do you know about the tabard vendors? |
| 02:36.57 | Wobin | And then some alliance comes along and tags it =( |
| 02:37.03 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That's up to Blizz to determine |
| 02:37.09 | Arrowmaster | do you really think the intent was 'all code must be commented, use easy to understand variable names, and have easy to understand logic' |
| 02:37.11 | Wobin | If it didn't have a ridiculous respawn rate, I'd be more annoyed =P |
| 02:37.12 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 02:37.15 | Arrowmaster | so fucking drop it |
| 02:37.25 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Do you really think the intent was to fill people's PCs with cream cheese? |
| 02:37.27 | Arrowmaster | blizz will do what they will do |
| 02:37.38 | kd3 | mmm... cream cheese |
| 02:38.02 | Dagmar | If you're going to try for a non-sequitir, it should always be a good one. |
| 02:38.03 | Pytlask | Ackis: Hmm, are they separate from the quartermasters? |
| 02:38.07 | Arrowmaster | the intent of the rule was all of the loadstring crap |
| 02:38.22 | Ackis | Pytlask: not sure |
| 02:38.31 | Arrowmaster | the quartermasters have tabards |
| 02:38.58 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Argent_Tournament |
| 02:39.18 | kd3 | the quartermasters have the few things for their race and then all of the rest for the alliance/horde |
| 02:39.26 | kd3 | weapons and such |
| 02:39.31 | Dagmar | There's a guy that sells t-shirts, too, but they tend to leave the tummy a bit exposed |
| 02:39.37 | Ackis | no I meant the normal tabard vendors that are supposed to let you buy all the ones you have? |
| 02:39.57 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 02:40.36 | Wobin | minipets and the like |
| 02:40.52 | Pytlask | Oh, aren't those just the tabard vendors you get your guild tabard from? |
| 02:40.53 | Wobin | Ackis: there are also race 'shirts' you can buy from the souviner vendor |
| 02:41.02 | Ackis | yah I saw those |
| 02:41.10 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i dont know whats up with the tabard vendors, imho its kinda silly that you have to purchase the sporeggar tabbard for 10 glowcaps everytime |
| 02:41.11 | Ackis | I just thought the normal tabard vendors let you get stuff for free |
| 02:41.12 | Wobin | no they have specific tourney race tabards |
| 02:41.29 | Wobin | They look completely different |
| 02:43.31 | Ackis | cool instance servers are full =/ |
| 02:43.47 | Wobin | zomg |
| 02:43.58 | Wobin | there is not a single post on the front page about WM |
| 02:44.00 | Wobin | huzzah |
| 02:44.18 | Dagmar | Wrong |
| 02:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: jinx |
| 02:44.26 | Wobin | =( |
| 02:44.30 | Dagmar | Look at the one titled "I'm not computer savvy!" |
| 02:44.33 | kd3 | I've been thinking that all evening... trying to not say anything |
| 02:44.34 | Wobin | oh |
| 02:44.39 | Wobin | screw that |
| 02:44.46 | Dagmar | It's a whine that now that WowMatrix is gone, they need someone to teach them hope to wipe |
| 02:44.53 | Wobin | if they can't title their posts correctly with an inflammatory accusation |
| 02:44.55 | Wobin | it doesn't count |
| 02:45.03 | Dagmar | It does |
| 02:46.00 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:46.14 | Wobin | how -do- we determine if a whisper target is online before sending a whisper? |
| 02:46.27 | Dagmar | Maybe poll the /who |
| 02:46.50 | Dagmar | Seems like it would be faster/simpler to just send the message and hook any failure messages |
| 02:47.20 | Dagmar | It seems to take about the same amount of time either way, and if you just send they can't logout in between the time you checked and the time you sent the message |
| 02:47.38 | Dagmar | Same problem IRC clients have |
| 02:48.08 | geargrind | is it wrong of me to use my computer's cooling vent to warm cheese? |
| 02:48.14 | Torhal | Fucking goddamn it. |
| 02:48.29 | Thunder_Child | geargrind, no, no it is not |
| 02:48.39 | Torhal | Switched from Gnome to KDE, not only is the environment spanktastically better, but WoW actually performs better |
| 02:48.43 | Dagmar | geargrind: I'd say it's an effective use of thermal leakage, but maybe you don't really wnt to be blowing the air that's coming from the inside of your case on your food |
| 02:48.54 | Torhal | Then, I discover that KDE eats key modifiers. |
| 02:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Torhal: told you to /join #kde |
| 02:48.58 | Torhal | grumbles. |
| 02:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, that is easily fixed |
| 02:49.03 | Wobin | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/23/your-morning-dose-of.html |
| 02:49.07 | Dagmar | Seeing as how you probably never clean it, it stays dark and warm in there, and god only knows what could be leaking from your caps |
| 02:49.08 | Torhal | ScytheBlade1: I was using Gnome at the time :P |
| 02:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes I know |
| 02:49.22 | Torhal | Heh |
| 02:49.30 | Wobin | geargrind: you may end up with fluffy cheese |
| 02:49.31 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, wrap it in foil |
| 02:49.42 | Dagmar | Might as well just stick it in the microwave then |
| 02:49.48 | geargrind | Dagmar: the vent is on top of the case, and i have the plate over it with a spacer, so all the air goes out to the side |
| 02:50.01 | Dagmar | The moment you ahve to do more htan just stick it in your mouth, it's cooking |
| 02:50.24 | Jamash | But he's using otherwise waste heat! It's environmental! |
| 02:50.32 | Dagmar | You should put it on top of your CRT |
| 02:50.33 | geargrind | well the idea is simply to bring it to room temperature |
| 02:50.53 | geargrind | it's basically accelerated leaving-it-on-the-counter |
| 02:51.38 | Torhal | Boom. FIxed Kwin's default keybinds. Happy happy, joy joy. |
| 02:51.47 | Wobin | Dagmar: people use CRTs? |
| 02:52.18 | geargrind | ^ |
| 02:52.37 | Dagmar | Hmm... Just use a zippo then |
| 02:52.56 | Jamash | flaming cheese? |
| 02:52.59 | geargrind | too high temp |
| 02:53.12 | geargrind | i mean, it really is an ideal solution |
| 02:53.15 | geargrind | it's just... |
| 02:53.29 | geargrind | yeah |
| 02:53.34 | geargrind | <--- nerd |
| 03:05.44 | Arrowmaster | cool ive never played peggle before and now i got 100% clear on the first level |
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| 03:10.32 | Ackis | w00t 94 pets now lol just got the phoenix hatchling rofl |
| 03:12.03 | mikma | MgT much? |
| 03:12.40 | Ackis | hardly did it when it came out |
| 03:13.54 | mikma | but you did it now! |
| 03:14.15 | Ackis | gf and I were bored, waiting for WG |
| 03:15.12 | Dagmar | Some people would just... |
| 03:15.24 | Dagmar | Nevermind me |
| 03:15.29 | Fisker- | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:15.41 | Thunder_Child | some people arent wow whores Dagmar |
| 03:16.01 | Ackis | Dagmar: I pulled my shoulders pretty terribly somehow so we can't do that :P |
| 03:16.06 | Dagmar | AH okay |
| 03:16.15 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 03:16.15 | purl | fisker- has karma of -5 |
| 03:16.21 | Dagmar | Now we have to wonder about why Thunder_Child didn't catch on |
| 03:16.37 | Wobin | Dagmar was about to say "..would just play Peggle" |
| 03:16.45 | Ackis | ~karma Fisker- |
| 03:16.45 | purl | fisker- has karma of -5 |
| 03:16.54 | Dagmar | Well, ther emight be a peg involved, but not Peggle |
| 03:17.33 | Wobin | hehe can you imagine suddenly announcing mid-act "I am now a Peggle MASTER!" |
| 03:17.43 | Ackis | ~karma Fisker- |
| 03:17.43 | purl | fisker- has karma of -4 |
| 03:17.54 | Shirik | ~Fisker--- |
| 03:18.00 | kd3 | Cairenn, you've got #17 listed twice |
| 03:18.21 | Shirik | um |
| 03:18.39 | Cairenn | kd3: heh, no |
| 03:18.48 | mikma | ~Fisker--- |
| 03:18.56 | Cairenn | I added it as a separate post for anyone that had seen the thread before |
| 03:19.08 | Cairenn | then it got edited into the main post |
| 03:19.09 | kd3 | ah |
| 03:19.18 | Cairenn | I'll remove the second version of it in a bit :) |
| 03:20.47 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, huh? |
| 03:21.14 | Thunder_Child | kd3, you go make that addon then |
| 03:23.36 | kd3 | win: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473762471&sid=1#5 |
| 03:25.52 | Torhal | â» |
| 03:26.14 | Kraftman | hmm, can someone explain to me (preferably without getting angry) why the compression of peggle isnt obfuscation? |
| 03:26.43 | NightHawkTheSane | no, no one can explain it to you, because it is. |
| 03:26.44 | Iriel | The argument many of us are having is "it's not obfuscation in the spirit of the "addons must not obfuscate" rule from blizzard" |
| 03:27.01 | Kraftman | ok |
| 03:27.04 | Iriel | compared to clean beautiful code it is, without doubt, obfuscated |
| 03:27.09 | Kraftman | i mean i can see why they did it |
| 03:27.22 | kd3 | but it isn't, say, old carbonite with loadstrings everywhere |
| 03:27.27 | Shirik | what did they do to peggle? |
| 03:27.35 | kd3 | ran it through luasrcdiet |
| 03:27.37 | Iriel | Shirik: LuaSrcDiet |
| 03:27.37 | Kraftman | what are blizzard arguements against obfuscation? |
| 03:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | luasrcdiet |
| 03:27.46 | kd3 | Kraftman, the new UI policy they posted |
| 03:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | that, and some seeming-garbage at the top of the file. |
| 03:27.54 | Shirik | ok well that's just something you can run through a script, Iriel |
| 03:27.54 | Iriel | Kraftman: My interpretation of blizzard's concern is that they dont want addons that hide WHAT they do |
| 03:27.58 | Shirik | and get back to a reasonable view |
| 03:28.04 | Iriel | Shirik: Exactly |
| 03:28.21 | kd3 | s/new/month old/ |
| 03:28.25 | kd3 | good grief, has it been a month? |
| 03:28.26 | Iriel | having lousy variable names and no comments is sadly common to a great MANY addons |
| 03:28.38 | Dagmar | These aren't just lousy. |
| 03:28.41 | Shirik | Having variables named Ii1ili1 is obfuscation |
| 03:28.47 | Dagmar | They've had all semantic meaning stripped from them |
| 03:28.53 | Kraftman | kd3: i guess i meant what are their justifications |
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| 03:29.02 | Dagmar | Having variables only named with one letter, and nothing but that, is also obfuscation |
| 03:29.03 | kd3 | you'll have to ask their legal team |
| 03:29.18 | kd3 | none of us have cracked that crystal ball yet, afaict |
| 03:29.25 | Kraftman | >< |
| 03:29.31 | Dagmar | I think they should clarify a bit |
| 03:29.44 | Iriel | My guess is again it's based on wanting to ensure that sufficiently competent users can verify that an addon is non-malicous without resorting to ridiculous lengths |
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| 03:30.01 | Dagmar | It's a no-brainer that PopCap has people screaming "U MUST PROTECT OUR INTELLESHUAL PROPERTIES" at their coders I'm sure |
| 03:30.21 | Iriel | But none of the popcap LOGIC is really hidden |
| 03:30.34 | Dagmar | Really? |
| 03:30.38 | Kraftman | i thought it was more ot do with preventign users cheating? |
| 03:30.39 | Iriel | they didn't for example, implement their own virtual machine |
| 03:30.53 | Dagmar | Noun noun2 adjective adverb noun conjunction verb noun. |
| 03:30.58 | Iriel | Dagmar: If you get past the lack of linebreaks, and the short variables, the code is pretty normal |
| 03:31.10 | Dagmar | Iriel: Excepting that it's obfuscated. |
| 03:31.15 | Dagmar | So said one of their developers |
| 03:31.17 | Dagmar | It was their _intent_ |
| 03:31.26 | Dagmar | That's what makes this a good case to worry over |
| 03:31.33 | Dagmar | We *know* their intent is kosher |
| 03:32.01 | Iriel | Will blizzard care enough to give a pronouncement.. My guess is no. My guess is also that peggle wont suddenly be banned. |
| 03:32.04 | Dagmar | No one's got some hidden multimillion-dollar botnet they'd be willing to lie about, and no one gets sent to the poorhouse one way or the otehr |
| 03:32.15 | Dagmar | I don't think they'll be banned either |
| 03:32.47 | Iriel | I'm sure I wasnt' alone in downloading the addon as soon as I saw it was around, just to see if they did anything naughty |
| 03:32.58 | kd3 | the question is... let's see what happens on May 20 when they start enforcing their new policy |
| 03:33.03 | kd3 | is more than a little curious |
| 03:33.04 | Dagmar | That would be like lacing crack with something less addictive |
| 03:33.09 | Dagmar | What would be the point? |
| 03:33.10 | Iriel | kd3: My money is on "nothing" |
| 03:33.24 | Iriel | Carbonite were more than reasonable |
| 03:33.42 | Iriel | Is there another addon out there that's going to poke the bear? |
| 03:33.47 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 03:33.53 | Iriel | Dagmar: I mean right now |
| 03:33.55 | kd3 | a bunch of authors with 'donate please?' in-game? |
| 03:34.13 | Dagmar | Some no-talent hack will be sure to get caught at some point trying to steal someone else's code, and they'll probably use luasrcdiet to hide it |
| 03:34.25 | Dagmar | ...because the precedent is being set now |
| 03:34.37 | Iriel | luasrcdiet is a terrible way to hide something |
| 03:34.41 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:34.44 | Wobin | hm, we have no way of 'silencing' the "No player named 'X' is currently playing" for SendAddonMessage? |
| 03:34.45 | Dagmar | ...and just because this one isn't doing anything weird doesn't mean someone else won't come along and build a race-condition into their code |
| 03:34.47 | Kraftman | stops looking into luasrcdiet |
| 03:34.48 | Iriel | it's like trying to hide a porsche by removing the logo |
| 03:35.05 | Iriel | Wobin: Filter the event |
| 03:35.38 | Dagmar | Once all the variable and function names have been reduced to 1-2 characters in lenght, it's amazing how little one can tell about what a program is supposed to be doing |
| 03:35.54 | Iriel | Dagmar: I disagree |
| 03:35.55 | Kraftman | thanks for the non-flame replies anyways, 4:30am here so im gonna hit the deck |
| 03:36.03 | kd3 | just takes thinking for a few minutes. logic > variable names |
| 03:36.12 | Dagmar | Add all the nice collapsing of whitespace to turn the thing into one big homogenized block of "stuff" ... |
| 03:36.24 | Dagmar | It'll be hard to tell one plugin from another if they're doing most of the same things |
| 03:36.26 | kd3 | so a quick search and replace for ; with ;\n |
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| 03:36.30 | Iriel | Run it through a lua source prettyprinter and most of THOSE issues vanish |
| 03:36.47 | kd3 | also ^ |
| 03:37.10 | Dagmar | Man there's companies running around that hex edit other peoples binaries and try to pass it off as a product |
| 03:37.13 | Iriel | I completely agree that if you WANTED to really fuck with people, you'd start by removing all the newlines, and use really short (or better still, long but entirely wrong) variable names |
| 03:37.21 | Dagmar | There'll definitely be scrubs trying to pull the same stunt |
| 03:37.36 | Iriel | but you'd also use super convoluted logic, and spread the important code out while peppering the code with attractive dead-ends that are busy but worthless |
| 03:38.02 | kd3 | grats, you've won an obfuscated <insert language here> contest |
| 03:38.02 | Iriel | BUt THAT trick works with code that is beautifully formatted and commented too |
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| 03:38.13 | Iriel | It's just that the comments are misleading and most of the code is a decoy |
| 03:38.46 | Dagmar | So unless you're trying to argue that we should come up with some kind of scale for measuring obfuscation, that doesn't much matter |
| 03:39.00 | Dagmar | We've got a concrete case of a specific addon that's obfuscated |
| 03:39.04 | Dagmar | It's only a blessing that we know they're not up to no good |
| 03:39.10 | Iriel | It's not a blessing |
| 03:39.16 | Dagmar | It is. |
| 03:39.28 | kd3 | the point is whether or not blizz cares. we can armchair lawyer until we all get carpal tunnel... |
| 03:39.39 | Dagmar | There could easily be 100 newbs on the forums swearing that there's nothing wrong with code, while it makes them randomly salute trolls named Thott |
| 03:39.42 | Iriel | Its code has been looked at by a ton of people, probably more than would have happened had it NOT been compacted |
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| 03:39.56 | kergoth | hey folks |
| 03:39.59 | Shirik | Guild member just reported a crash |
| 03:40.06 | Dagmar | I blame the Peggla addon |
| 03:40.11 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:40.13 | Shirik | "Failed to read file Character\NightElf\Female\NightElfFemaleNakedPelvisSkin00_02.blp |
| 03:40.20 | Dagmar | ROFL |
| 03:40.21 | kd3 | oh geez. fail |
| 03:40.46 | Iriel | Shirik: and by "guild member" you mean you, dont you? |
| 03:40.50 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:40.57 | Shirik | I'm in Ulduar! |
| 03:40.59 | Dagmar | You woudl think by now they'd learn they can download actual porn pretty easily |
| 03:41.00 | Shirik | I have an allaby! |
| 03:41.07 | Torhal | There are naked Night Elf chicks in Ulduar? :D |
| 03:41.10 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:41.18 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:42.45 | Dagmar | I guess that depends on how many client-side files you've been tampering with |
| 03:43.48 | Mr_Rabies | is it even possible to mess with textures anymore? |
| 03:44.00 | kd3 | not in a way that won't break horribly |
| 03:44.01 | Iriel | I wonder if I should write LuaSoupKitchen |
| 03:44.09 | Iriel | An anti LuaSrcDiet tool |
| 03:44.09 | Mr_Rabies | i missed changing all the rabbits into ragnaros |
| 03:44.10 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 03:44.23 | Dagmar | I thought the client checked that stuff now, but it might be a matter of whenever Blizz prods warden into looking |
| 03:44.36 | Shirik | Iriel :P |
| 03:44.38 | Shirik | nice name |
| 03:44.50 | Dagmar | Iriel: I'm kinda thinking it might be amusing to do a Peggle/Bejeweled cheater tool |
| 03:45.06 | Shirik | do you really need to cheat? |
| 03:45.15 | Dagmar | God knows I still get yucks out of seeing people's reaction to [World First - Level 80 Blood Elf] when I'm clearly a dwarf |
| 03:45.48 | dolseni | how'd that happen? |
| 03:45.55 | Shirik | it's very easy to forge them |
| 03:45.57 | Shirik | I have myself |
| 03:45.57 | Fisker- | omg please Dagmar! |
| 03:46.00 | Dagmar | Poor checking of data supplied by the suer |
| 03:46.01 | Fisker- | giev cheating tool! |
| 03:46.04 | Dagmar | s/suer/user/; |
| 03:46.05 | Shirik | I'm supposedly first level 80 hunter |
| 03:46.19 | Shirik | only because it pisses off one of my guild members, whom really was first :P |
| 03:46.20 | Fisker- | <-Realm First Belf |
| 03:46.21 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 03:46.44 | Dagmar | I was tempted to use the level 80 Troll one and tell people the Orb of Deception broke the achievement, just to see how far that meme would propagate |
| 03:46.53 | Shirik | ha |
| 03:46.53 | dolseni | heh |
| 03:46.57 | Dagmar | Shirik: Oh that's even more delicious |
| 03:47.01 | dolseni | was it as simple as sending the correct packets? |
| 03:47.05 | Dagmar | Packets? |
| 03:47.06 | dolseni | or was it more complicqated |
| 03:47.08 | Dagmar | Try *strings* |
| 03:47.13 | Dagmar | It's utterly non-complex. |
| 03:47.23 | dolseni | i'm surprised |
| 03:47.24 | Shirik | it's the exact same as forged item links from wow 1 |
| 03:47.31 | dolseni | that blizz failed that much at it then |
| 03:47.33 | kd3 | still misses messing with forged item links |
| 03:47.40 | Shirik | dolseni, how is it blizzard's fault? |
| 03:47.42 | Fisker- | you could just check armory |
| 03:47.47 | dolseni | for not safeguarding it? |
| 03:47.49 | Dagmar | You can't direclty paste the code that tells the remote client that an achievement link is coming, or maybe you can |
| 03:47.51 | Shirik | Why would you |
| 03:47.51 | Fisker- | so it's not even a good scam |
| 03:47.52 | Shirik | who cares |
| 03:47.59 | Dagmar | ...but it's pretty easy to just type out the command needed to make it happen |
| 03:48.18 | Shirik | The sheer amount of checking the server would have to do to handle that is probably way too much demand |
| 03:48.18 | dolseni | i'm really amazed that you still haveit |
| 03:48.21 | dolseni | and didn't get banned |
| 03:48.22 | dolseni | or have it removed |
| 03:48.28 | Dagmar | Have what? |
| 03:48.33 | dolseni | the achievement |
| 03:48.36 | Shirik | he doesn't have the achievement dolseni... |
| 03:48.36 | Dagmar | I don't. |
| 03:48.40 | dolseni | oh |
| 03:48.46 | Shirik | he has a link that says he has it |
| 03:48.48 | dolseni | ok i got you |
| 03:48.48 | Shirik | that's it |
| 03:48.48 | dolseni | yeah |
| 03:48.51 | dolseni | thats different |
| 03:48.57 | Dagmar | You can make achievement links say pretty much anything |
| 03:49.10 | dolseni | i thought you like, sent a packet to the server saying DING! i'm 80 now |
| 03:49.11 | Dagmar | ..only you can't make up the title or the achievement frame itself |
| 03:49.14 | Shirik | I especially like making achievement links that said I got them in the year 20-1 |
| 03:49.14 | dolseni | and i'm a belf |
| 03:49.17 | dolseni | now give me the ach |
| 03:49.22 | Dagmar | I was really hoping to just be able to make up wholly fake achievements |
| 03:49.27 | Shirik | or the 13th month |
| 03:49.49 | Ackis | 88 mounts, 94 mini-pets kekeke |
| 03:49.49 | Dagmar | I was planning on creating one involving using Disengage to fall off a cliff |
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| 03:49.55 | dolseni | hah |
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| 03:50.20 | kd3 | use "going down?" |
| 03:50.36 | Dagmar | Yeah but you can't change the name of the achievement or it's description |
| 03:50.41 | kd3 | oh boo |
| 03:50.45 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 03:50.49 | Dagmar | change the name of it, and the remote client will balk and not treat it as a link |
| 03:51.15 | Dagmar | I would have settled for merely being able to make clickable phonies but no dice |
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| 03:52.06 | Fisker- | omg |
| 03:52.09 | Fisker- | i completed dailies |
| 03:52.11 | Dagmar | I put some thought into collateral damage when I tried it out the first time and just sent it to guildchat, considering that some of hte link trickery in the past resulted in immediate disconnects for people clicking on the |
| 03:52.12 | Dagmar | m |
| 03:52.16 | Fisker- | i am a god |
| 03:58.48 | Jamash | god of dailies? |
| 04:02.12 | Jamash | I deleted my WTF folder, and so far the most annoying addons to reconfigure are arkinventory and quartz |
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| 04:02.47 | Jamash | arkinventory just because I had my config so customized and quartz because its config system sucks |
| 04:03.35 | kd3 | damn it... someone necroed a wowmatrix thread |
| 04:05.05 | kd3 | and wow. that's amusing. non-dks are apparently winding up in ebon hold some how |
| 04:05.10 | Jamash | orly |
| 04:05.19 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474309332&sid=1 |
| 04:09.42 | Dagmar | There was a problem with people winding up in some randomly weird place when leaving BGs this week |
| 04:09.52 | Dagmar | That's probably how it happened |
| 04:10.42 | kd3 | so... queue for something on a taxi. got it |
| 04:10.51 | kd3 | looks for the nearest FP |
| 04:11.11 | Dagmar | Looks like that paladin has found a new way, now that I'm looking at the thread |
| 04:16.13 | Iriel | I am the tired - night all. |
| 04:20.00 | kd3 | sweet. there's no invisible walls in ulduar |
| 04:20.09 | kd3 | just ran off razorscale's aerie |
| 04:21.42 | Jamash | high-fives kd3 |
| 04:21.59 | Jamash | I love jumping out of instances. |
| 04:26.06 | kd3 | so uh... |
| 04:26.11 | kd3 | who's 'donata'? |
| 04:28.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:28.32 | kd3 | the active matrix thread in UI |
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| 04:30.21 | Shirik | I've been ignoring that thread |
| 04:30.24 | Shirik | I gave up on it |
| 04:33.13 | Syzgyn | rofl, thats good |
| 04:37.39 | Adys | kd3: ROFL, that link is awesome |
| 04:37.42 | Adys | "You cannot escape the Lich King's grasp!" |
| 04:49.17 | Adys | wait wtf |
| 04:49.21 | Adys | tyrs hand is elite again? |
| 04:49.24 | Adys | thought they nerfed that |
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| 04:55.52 | Adys | also damnit |
| 04:55.55 | Adys | they already hotfixed it |
| 04:56.19 | Trela | Hot fixed what?~ |
| 04:56.27 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474309332&sid=1 |
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| 05:00.40 | Trela | Weird, Adys. |
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| 05:14.27 | DWSR | Guys, 26 points of HR is 1%, right? |
| 05:15.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet wowwiki knows |
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| 05:15.40 | DWSR | I bet the channels knows too. |
| 05:15.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i honestly have no idea |
| 05:16.48 | Trela | DWSR: 32.79% |
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| 05:25.12 | Wobin | hehe@xkcd |
| 05:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i almost fear for his kids. |
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| 05:27.39 | Wobin | aww! |
| 05:27.40 | Wobin | Players can no longer use the Fetch Ball or Rope Leash on the Argent Gruntling. |
| 05:31.07 | mikma | ah hahaha |
| 05:31.11 | mikma | that's evil |
| 05:31.13 | mikma | fucking evil |
| 05:32.53 | dolseni | hmm, how would i get the GUID of a specific person? i haven't used lua before |
| 05:33.01 | dolseni | i know how to get my own or my targets |
| 05:33.06 | dolseni | or focus target, etc |
| 05:33.28 | mikma | dolseni: /script print(UnitGUID("target")) |
| 05:33.29 | Shirik | dolseni: You must have a unit for the person |
| 05:33.51 | dolseni | ah |
| 05:33.51 | Adys | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/23/2212214&from=rss |
| 05:33.52 | Adys | wow |
| 05:33.53 | Adys | just |
| 05:33.53 | Adys | wow |
| 05:34.02 | dolseni | so it wasn't that i couldn't figure it out, its just that it can't be done =/ |
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| 05:39.14 | dolseni | know how they come up with the GUIDs? |
| 05:39.22 | dolseni | is it based off char name or what? |
| 05:39.25 | mikma | superbrains |
| 05:39.45 | dolseni | just messing around with my own, changing it and what not, i haven't been able to find a working one |
| 05:40.31 | Shirik | We know there are a few flags in it and a "spawn" counter |
| 05:40.35 | Shirik | for sure |
| 05:40.40 | Shirik | There's more too |
| 05:40.59 | Adys | top of my head |
| 05:41.28 | Adys | spawn, elite, tooltip tweaks with faction, friendly flag, id, and some unique hash |
| 05:41.45 | Wobin | phase of moon |
| 05:41.49 | Adys | that too |
| 05:41.56 | mikma | dolseni: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitGUID |
| 05:42.27 | Wobin | I see dolseni's name, and I misread it as dosai... and now I'm craving Indian food |
| 05:42.34 | dolseni | heh |
| 05:42.39 | dolseni | now i am too =( |
| 05:43.26 | mikma | wobin: i wan't a steak instead |
| 05:43.36 | mikma | they were eating steaks in Sex in the city :P |
| 05:43.45 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:43.54 | Wobin | no real good steak houses around my area... |
| 05:43.54 | mikma | wife is watching the dvd-box and i'm acting like i'm not ;) |
| 05:43.57 | Wobin | oh well, there is |
| 05:44.01 | Wobin | but they're terribly expensive |
| 05:44.05 | tekkub | steaks in the city |
| 05:44.10 | Adys | mm. |
| 05:44.20 | Wobin | I could go to the pub and get a steak |
| 05:44.39 | mikma | mmm, steaks |
| 05:44.39 | Wobin | Or across the road and get Indian |
| 05:45.11 | dolseni | thanks for all the info on guids guess i should have looked more myself |
| 05:45.28 | Adys | asking in an IRC chan accounts for "looking for yourself" |
| 05:45.37 | Adys | whatever people want you to believe these days. |
| 05:45.40 | dolseni | yeah, lol |
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| 06:09.04 | evman | hello? |
| 06:09.43 | mikma | burn baby burn, cd-r inferno! |
| 06:10.09 | evman | hey, i'm working on an addon, and i'm curious, has the mask changed for players for the guid? |
| 06:10.31 | Adys | not recently |
| 06:10.36 | Adys | (whats with guid today?) |
| 06:10.41 | Adys | s/d/ds/ |
| 06:12.00 | evman | what should the first 3 digits bit-anded with 00F come out to for players? |
| 06:12.24 | Shirik | um |
| 06:12.41 | Shirik | is there a valid reason to asking that question as opposed to "what should the third digit be"? |
| 06:13.02 | Adys | I'd do a yourmom joke but |
| 06:13.04 | Adys | Im too tired |
| 06:13.06 | Adys | good night |
| 06:13.12 | Shirik | ~lart Adys |
| 06:13.12 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if Adys doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 06:13.23 | Thunder_Child | fail Addybot |
| 06:13.26 | Thunder_Child | damit! |
| 06:13.26 | Adys | hey I dont know about guids that much |
| 06:13.32 | Adys | its dammit. |
| 06:13.32 | Thunder_Child | i hate you all |
| 06:13.40 | evman | well its the third digit of the result that matters |
| 06:13.40 | Adys | your mom hates you all |
| 06:13.57 | Thunder_Child | she might, i wouldnt know |
| 06:14.01 | Adys | SHE DOES |
| 06:14.02 | Adys | good night |
| 06:14.14 | Thunder_Child | night Adys, go to hell |
| 06:14.19 | Adys | u2 babe |
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| 06:16.40 | evman | i'm not gonna find much help here am i? |
| 06:17.05 | Torhal | evman: ? |
| 06:17.20 | evman | well you missed my question |
| 06:17.24 | Adys | it's 8am in europe, late night in US |
| 06:17.37 | Adys | most people are sleeping at this hour |
| 06:17.39 | Trela | 2:17AM EST... *Sleeps on Evman.* |
| 06:17.39 | Torhal | Aye, not many folks around at the moment |
| 06:17.41 | evman | yet theres 160 people in the room |
| 06:17.46 | Adys | yeah so? |
| 06:17.48 | Torhal | We stay connetced |
| 06:17.55 | Torhal | s/connetced/connected/ |
| 06:18.00 | Wobin | well.. it's 4pm in east coast Australia if that helps? |
| 06:18.09 | evman | well this is my first time here. how should i know these things |
| 06:18.37 | Adys | right |
| 06:18.37 | evman | btw, Torhal, my question was what should the first 3 digits bit-anded with 00F come out to for players? |
| 06:18.37 | Adys | this isnt wow, you dont get dc'd after 20 min |
| 06:18.37 | Adys | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html |
| 06:19.04 | Wobin | well he's asking, it, however may take some time for someone who is knowledgable to be online and reading. |
| 06:19.21 | Adys | trial and error |
| 06:19.26 | Wobin | true. |
| 06:19.32 | Adys | i dont have any guid doc right now and too tired to go online |
| 06:19.35 | Adys | i should be in bed even |
| 06:19.40 | Wobin | evman: You may end up having to ask that question at a different time =) |
| 06:19.49 | evman | yea, i'm gathering that |
| 06:19.55 | Adys | that said, dolseni just asked about guids half a hour ago |
| 06:19.56 | Adys | so |
| 06:20.06 | Torhal | Try the forums at wowace.com |
| 06:20.12 | Adys | he might be looking for the same thing as you or even already know |
| 06:20.18 | Adys | or you could try forums yeha |
| 06:20.40 | Torhal | I've never dealt with guids, myself, so I'm rather useless there. |
| 06:20.56 | Torhal | Wobin: You ever get your wrapping issue resolved? |
| 06:20.59 | Adys | Ive only dealt with NPC guids |
| 06:21.07 | Adys | and its been a while now |
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| 06:21.46 | Torhal | Elkano: Yola. |
| 06:21.52 | Thunder_Child | how do you force wow to use opengl |
| 06:21.53 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 06:22.01 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: wow.exe -opengl |
| 06:22.02 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.10 | evman | what they said |
| 06:22.11 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.14 | Thunder_Child | thanks |
| 06:22.15 | kd3 | SET gxApi "opengl" |
| 06:22.20 | Adys | or config.wtf gxapi "opengl" |
| 06:22.34 | Adys | gotta sleep now |
| 06:22.38 | Wobin | Torhal: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/719690b8c535b04ed90739aa02a051c1.png |
| 06:22.40 | Adys | night for real, go to hell TC |
| 06:22.41 | evman | well they come out to 3 when checked for NPCs but i read they should be 0 for players but i keep getting 8 |
| 06:23.05 | Torhal | Wobin: Good deal |
| 06:23.33 | Shirik | I HATE MY OVEN |
| 06:23.44 | Wobin | at least you have an oven |
| 06:23.44 | Shirik | I turn it on to preheat, put all the cookies on the sheets |
| 06:23.55 | NightHawkTheSane | and your house blows up? |
| 06:23.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate that too. |
| 06:24.00 | Shirik | and then I decide "ok it'll be a while" so I go back to lay down, grab my laptop |
| 06:24.07 | Shirik | As soon as I'm settled |
| 06:24.10 | Shirik | "Beep beep beep" |
| 06:24.12 | Shirik | preheating done |
| 06:24.21 | ZorbaGama | doesn't that mean it's a *good* oven? |
| 06:24.24 | Shirik | no |
| 06:24.26 | Wobin | damn it's efficiency? |
| 06:24.28 | Shirik | it means it waited until the worst possible time |
| 06:24.29 | Torhal | Sensor's fubar |
| 06:24.41 | ZorbaGama | so it is an efficient, yet sadistic oven? :) |
| 06:26.22 | End | uh oh |
| 06:26.26 | Thunder_Child | to reverse it do you do /console gxApi directx? |
| 06:26.27 | End | peggle has been ported to WoW! |
| 06:26.44 | Torhal | Elkano: I PM'd you on the forums about modifications I made to your scrollable branch of LibQTip. |
| 06:26.44 | Wobin | syllabus... plural of is...? |
| 06:26.44 | NightHawkTheSane | End: .. welcome to this morning? get with the times! |
| 06:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | syllabi |
| 06:26.52 | End | NightHawkTheSane: :( |
| 06:26.56 | Wobin | ta |
| 06:27.45 | Torhal | End: Next week, id will probably port Quake3 to WoW. |
| 06:27.51 | End | lol |
| 06:28.04 | End | I remember when someone claimed to port warcraft to WoW |
| 06:28.07 | Shirik | Wobin, with sentences like "syllabus plural of is" that resemble Japanese structuring, I think the spelling is the least of your worries :) |
| 06:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | End: i'm waiting for someone to port wow to wow |
| 06:28.44 | Torhal | WOrld of WOrld of Warcraft |
| 06:28.47 | Wobin | well, you could say that one of my original grammar structure learning patterns was asian =P |
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| 06:28.53 | Torhal | Wow. My shift key skills are fail. |
| 06:28.55 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: It's been done |
| 06:29.07 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9726-WorldofWorldofWarcraft.html |
| 06:29.22 | Wobin | Shirik: but really, atm, my mind is so spacy, grammar is the least of my abilities =) |
| 06:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: ...i'm a little speechless, honestly. |
| 06:29.48 | Adys | Shirik: WTF |
| 06:30.29 | Adys | does this actually work or is it an aprils fools? |
| 06:30.40 | Wobin | I like how the category is "Minigames/ROFL" |
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| 06:30.57 | Shirik | not april fools Adys, |
| 06:31.03 | Shirik | but it /was/ a joke addon |
| 06:31.10 | Torhal | 6.13kb |
| 06:31.12 | Adys | I can see uses for that |
| 06:31.58 | Shirik | Adys: It does raise an interesting security question actually |
| 06:32.00 | Wobin | keylogging? =P |
| 06:32.09 | Shirik | Should we start requiring ctrl+alt+del before you log into wow, etc. |
| 06:32.20 | Shirik | (naturally ctrl+alt+del wouldn't work, but some other similar combination) |
| 06:32.22 | Wobin | >< |
| 06:32.35 | Wobin | I vote for alt-F4 |
| 06:32.49 | Thunder_Child | ffs Adys, go to sleep, we dont want you here |
| 06:32.54 | Adys | gtfo asshole |
| 06:33.07 | Shirik | ~Adys++ |
| 06:33.13 | Thunder_Child | thats what i want YOU to do |
| 06:33.33 | Thunder_Child | thanks Shirik, love the support |
| 06:33.42 | Adys | on a uh serious note |
| 06:33.48 | Adys | is this actually possible? |
| 06:33.51 | Torhal | Shirik: BTW - I didn't realize how fail Gnome was, until I saw that running WoW on KDE boosted my frame rates by 10-20 depending on where I was. |
| 06:34.02 | Adys | Torhal: its not gnome |
| 06:34.05 | Shirik | Gnome is full of fail all over the place |
| 06:34.08 | Adys | its gnome apps |
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| 06:34.12 | Shirik | Such as being named gnome |
| 06:34.16 | Adys | was that with compiz? |
| 06:34.27 | zenzio | well, "KDE" isn't a much cooler name |
| 06:34.29 | Shirik | If they were cool, they would have named it Blood Elf |
| 06:34.31 | Torhal | Adys: Yah, but I had all effects turned off. With them on it was worse |
| 06:34.37 | Adys | well duh |
| 06:34.38 | zenzio | if I had to go by name, I'd still be using Enlightenment |
| 06:34.39 | Torhal | I have all kinda of effects on with KDE and it runs better |
| 06:34.43 | Adys | use metacity |
| 06:34.51 | Adys | no point using compiz if you're gonna turn the effects off |
| 06:34.52 | kd3 | xfce <3 |
| 06:34.58 | Adys | here's a nice wow starting script for you |
| 06:35.01 | Shirik | kd3 should use kde |
| 06:35.02 | zenzio | I agree with kd3 |
| 06:35.38 | Adys | killall -9 npviewer.bin; killall -9 firefox; killall -9 firefox-bin; killall -9 gnome-panel; killall -9 nautilus; metacity --replace; wine wow |
| 06:35.41 | zenzio | what I found with both KDE and Gnome last time I tried was that they felt pretty slow to load |
| 06:35.51 | Shirik | Adys: Is the -9 really necessary? |
| 06:35.54 | Shirik | If so, something is really wrong |
| 06:35.59 | Wobin | ". Wowmatrix was written by pros and was smooth. " |
| 06:36.01 | Adys | its a habbit |
| 06:36.02 | Torhal | -15 should suffice |
| 06:36.05 | Wobin | >< |
| 06:36.07 | Trela | Wobin: LIES! |
| 06:36.08 | Shirik | -9 is a habit? |
| 06:36.13 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:36.15 | Adys | for firefox. |
| 06:36.16 | Shirik | Don't you think that's a little broken |
| 06:36.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:36.22 | zenzio | real men use -9 |
| 06:36.26 | Adys | firefox is a lot more than broken |
| 06:36.33 | Trela | forgets what 9 is. |
| 06:36.35 | kd3 | especially when flash breaks |
| 06:36.36 | Shirik | SIGKILL |
| 06:36.39 | Adys | its a number |
| 06:36.54 | Wobin | I want to post in response to that... but ... what's the point? |
| 06:36.56 | Torhal | SIGTERM unless it simply won't die. Then SIGKILL |
| 06:37.07 | kd3 | though I haven't been seeing issues lately using the alpha 64bit build |
| 06:37.20 | Adys | kd3: did you even open firefox? |
| 06:37.20 | kd3 | which is probably going to cause it to leak memory like a sieve momentarily |
| 06:37.34 | Adys | wait |
| 06:37.37 | Adys | what alpha 64bit build? |
| 06:37.50 | kd3 | sec, ignis |
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| 06:39.08 | Adys | [09:34:45] <evman182> hey is there anybody here who knows about GUIDs |
| 06:39.08 | Adys | [09:38:12] <@Adys> you should ask in #wowuidev. |
| 06:39.08 | Adys | am I a jerk |
| 06:39.08 | Adys | :( |
| 06:39.37 | Adys | you're supposed to say yes in caps, Thunder_Child |
| 06:39.56 | Wobin | Yes in Caps |
| 06:40.04 | Adys | funnies! |
| 06:40.07 | Adys | gotta sleep |
| 06:40.09 | Adys | night |
| 06:40.11 | Adys | (see you in 10 min) |
| 06:40.22 | Thunder_Child | Adys, sorry, wiping on deconstructor atm |
| 06:40.30 | Adys | too late |
| 06:40.31 | Adys | Im in bed! |
| 06:40.36 | Wobin | rawr |
| 06:40.41 | Thunder_Child | Me to! |
| 06:40.41 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 06:41.00 | Thunder_Child | must mean we are in bed together Adys |
| 06:41.13 | kd3 | adys; http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
| 06:41.26 | Adys | yeah, and stop taking the entire right side Thunder_Child |
| 06:41.31 | Adys | need room for deconstructor. |
| 06:41.40 | Adys | kd3: oh, Im running that |
| 06:41.44 | Adys | and its leaking |
| 06:41.45 | ZorbaGama | thunder kill him in hard mode |
| 06:41.45 | Thunder_Child | he can seel at the foot |
| 06:41.47 | Adys | not only memory |
| 06:42.05 | Adys | I'm off, goodnight you jerk! |
| 06:43.13 | Wobin | Just when I thought the WM threads had died out =( |
| 06:45.27 | Jamash | nevar |
| 06:49.26 | kd3 | yay, Hot Pocket |
| 06:50.42 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE a hot pocket |
| 06:51.01 | tekkub | I've got something hot im my pocket |
| 06:51.12 | tekkub | also, I've gotsomething in my hot pocket |
| 06:51.28 | Thunder_Child | sleep* |
| 06:51.33 | Thunder_Child | Adys, ping |
| 06:52.10 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, i bet meat answers both |
| 06:52.15 | Torhal | tekkub: Bacon? |
| 06:52.23 | mikma | bear? |
| 06:52.28 | Torhal | Bear bacon? |
| 06:52.36 | Thunder_Child | PANDA BACON! |
| 06:52.40 | Torhal | ZOMG! |
| 06:53.03 | kd3 | absolute terror: http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7937/3july1970licornenuclear.jpg |
| 06:53.05 | tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6890 |
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| 06:58.43 | mikma | kd3: aint that the spaceshit launch? |
| 06:59.31 | Wobin | only if we started launching our rockets with atomic bombs? |
| 07:00.06 | mikma | i'm going to say thats noa abomb |
| 07:00.29 | kd3 | sauce: http://digg.com/general_sciences/France_s_Beautiful_Terrifying_Hydrogen_Bomb_Toroidal_Cloud |
| 07:00.49 | kd3 | comments (outside of #1) are full of fail |
| 07:01.12 | Wobin | ah yes, Mururoa |
| 07:02.07 | mikma | thats small |
| 07:02.20 | mikma | tsar bomba > others |
| 07:03.57 | nevcairiel | throws a hydrogen bomb in mikmas general direction |
| 07:04.05 | mikma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb |
| 07:04.15 | Wobin | http://animalnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/wozpope.jpg |
| 07:04.17 | mikma | neotron: cobolt bomb to your direction |
| 07:04.25 | mikma | nevcairiel: |
| 07:04.27 | mikma | lololo |
| 07:04.28 | nevcairiel | ~fail mikma |
| 07:04.29 | purl | mikma, you Fail! |
| 07:04.30 | Wobin | interesting how the mind interprets facial parts |
| 07:04.35 | mikma | weeeeeell why not neotron too |
| 07:05.06 | mikma | neotron nevcairiel nechckn netcurse |
| 07:05.13 | mikma | anyway |
| 07:05.20 | mikma | read up the wiki i linked |
| 07:05.53 | nevcairiel | you know, if you throw that thing here, and people claim it could destroy the whole world, i'm pretty sure your little country there is dead too |
| 07:05.54 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 07:06.05 | mikma | exactly! |
| 07:06.14 | mikma | you got it right sir! |
| 07:08.25 | Torhal | Right. |
| 07:08.30 | Torhal | Sleeptime. |
| 07:08.43 | NeoTron | ok then |
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| 07:23.08 | Thunder_Child | *cry* |
| 07:23.08 | Thunder_Child | [12:22] [2] <Whitetiger>: Chuck Norris can hear silence |
| 07:23.09 | Thunder_Child | [12:22] [2] <Corruptor>: even the deaf can hear silence |
| 07:25.01 | zenzio | heh |
| 07:25.43 | zenzio | I know it's old and cheesy, but I still chuckle at the one that goes "There is no Ctrl key on Chuck Norris's keyboard, because Chuck Norris is always in control" |
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| 07:33.35 | Wobin | ... |
| 07:33.41 | Wobin | there's a Baby Shaker iphone app |
| 07:33.46 | dolseni | yeah |
| 07:33.51 | dolseni | you get to see |
| 07:33.54 | dolseni | how long you can take |
| 07:33.58 | dolseni | untill you have to shake your baby |
| 07:34.02 | dolseni | because of the crying |
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| 07:36.11 | zenzio | I heard that was taken down from the iTunes store |
| 07:45.00 | Thunder_Child | it was |
| 07:46.14 | Jamash | attempting to do the Hodir's Spear daily quest while getting frequent disconnects = fail |
| 07:46.24 | Wobin | http://namesty.multiply.com/video/item/46 |
| 07:46.29 | Wobin | actual playng starts 3min in |
| 07:48.33 | Wobin | jesus =P |
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| 07:58.34 | Wobin | time to see if I can run wow on my netbook |
| 08:04.56 | Shirik | It must really suck to be a fly |
| 08:05.41 | batrick | Shirik: chess?! |
| 08:05.54 | Shirik | trying to work on updater a bit |
| 08:06.15 | batrick | qq |
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| 08:30.47 | Shirik | lol @ checking out an apache project and seeing a svn-commit.tmp in it |
| 08:30.58 | Cide | hi shirik |
| 08:31.01 | Shirik | hi Cide! |
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| 08:31.07 | Cide | hi! |
| 08:31.13 | Shirik | hi! |
| 08:31.16 | Cide | how are you? |
| 08:31.20 | Shirik | very tired |
| 08:31.22 | Wobin | hi! |
| 08:31.27 | Shirik | but |
| 08:31.29 | Shirik | I has cookies |
| 08:31.32 | Cide | nice |
| 08:31.34 | Cide | so do I |
| 08:32.01 | Jamash | someone ate all my cookies :( |
| 08:32.15 | nevcairiel | I bet it was Shirik |
| 08:35.26 | Cide | so I was thinking |
| 08:35.41 | Cide | we should make a tool to allow people to code addons in python. |
| 08:36.03 | Cide | great, yes? yes. |
| 08:36.07 | batrick | no! |
| 08:36.35 | Wobin | Only if it converts it to perl on the fly |
| 08:41.20 | Cide | no. |
| 08:43.18 | batrick | o shit I'm playing an iranian chess |
| 08:47.22 | Shirik | Cide: How are you going to do that well? |
| 08:47.29 | Shirik | Translate to lua? |
| 08:47.36 | Cide | ya |
| 08:47.37 | Shirik | I would grow very nervous of trying to interpret python |
| 08:47.43 | Shirik | compiling it though might be ok |
| 08:47.49 | Cide | nah, nothing like that |
| 08:47.53 | Cide | introspect the classes |
| 08:48.08 | Cide | and any functions would just be doctext lua |
| 08:48.14 | Cide | would probably be the easiest |
| 08:49.25 | Cide | you'd have to know both languages obviously, but it'd speed development up by allowing quick OO and frame design |
| 08:49.59 | krka | worst idea ever |
| 08:50.16 | Cide | best idea ever |
| 08:55.39 | Fisker- | zombies Cide |
| 08:56.16 | Cide | http://pastey.net/112976 |
| 08:56.19 | Cide | admit it would be awesome. |
| 09:06.16 | jnwhiteh | LOL |
| 09:06.17 | jnwhiteh | "Also, Cladhaire, you are Addon Jesus. What was I doing all these years without this? <.<;;" |
| 09:06.26 | jnwhiteh | that's the oddest.. compliment (I think) I've ever gotten |
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| 09:08.36 | Wobin | he has seen the light(headed)? |
| 09:08.50 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 09:08.51 | jnwhiteh | terrible |
| 09:13.47 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: if you could test with the version I just commited, just to make sure |
| 09:13.49 | jnwhiteh | tho it should be the same |
| 09:13.49 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 09:14.47 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: i noticed another issue, you dont modifiy the framelevel of the waypoints so they are on the same level as the POI frames which causes issues trying to mouseover and click on the waypoints themselves |
| 09:15.02 | jnwhiteh | where should they be? |
| 09:15.07 | jnwhiteh | the POI system is very new to me |
| 09:15.14 | Arrowmaster | atleast one level higher |
| 09:15.24 | jnwhiteh | i don't like artificially nudging them =( |
| 09:15.31 | jnwhiteh | i'd prefer to have something I can parent them to |
| 09:15.54 | Arrowmaster | well what you have them parented to is also the parent of the POI's |
| 09:15.57 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 09:16.36 | jnwhiteh | i wonder if i should create a non-clickable overlay over the minimap? |
| 09:16.41 | jnwhiteh | that would move them all up one |
| 09:16.53 | Arrowmaster | i was refering to the worldmap |
| 09:17.04 | jnwhiteh | that's what i meant |
| 09:17.07 | jnwhiteh | still tired :P |
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| 09:19.51 | Arrowmaster | looks like you commited my patch directly so yeah that should work |
| 09:25.28 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: just commited a fix to the other issue, any zone I can use to test? |
| 09:25.33 | jnwhiteh | althouggh i have like nothing explorted. |
| 09:26.15 | Arrowmaster | just turn on /dtframestack and start mousing around the map until a WorldMapFramePOI shows up |
| 09:27.02 | jnwhiteh | i would have to install mapster in order to do that |
| 09:27.18 | jnwhiteh | luckily i already ahve it downloaded |
| 09:27.32 | Arrowmaster | is dtframestack not visable with the default map? |
| 09:27.49 | jnwhiteh | maybe it is |
| 09:27.56 | jnwhiteh | no its not |
| 09:28.00 | jnwhiteh | but this appears to fix the issue |
| 09:28.04 | jnwhiteh | the overlay is on the same level as the POI |
| 09:28.07 | jnwhiteh | putting the waypoints up a layer |
| 09:31.17 | dolseni | man i'm so ashamed |
| 09:31.29 | dolseni | i've been watching america's next top model this season |
| 09:31.34 | dolseni | because creepy-chan is on it |
| 09:33.39 | Wobin | so |
| 09:33.48 | Wobin | are you ashamed cause of creepy-chan |
| 09:33.56 | Wobin | or that you're watching America's next top model |
| 09:34.56 | kbsd | both? |
| 09:38.20 | dolseni | i'm watching it because of creepy-chan |
| 09:38.27 | dolseni | i'd never watch it otherwise |
| 09:39.30 | Wobin | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/Se9iVhYhQNI/AAAAAAAAGkI/US1EKzHK0Kk/s400/world%27s+largest+swimming+pool.jpg |
| 09:39.44 | Wobin | it's a saltwater pool that's a kilometer long.... |
| 09:39.54 | Wobin | I'd -hate- to be the one maintaining it >< |
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| 09:46.06 | Kraftman | why have a saltwater pool right next to the sea... |
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| 10:11.04 | dolseni | man |
| 10:11.11 | dolseni | every episode i get worried for creepy-chan |
| 10:11.38 | dolseni | the only reason she was originally in the competition was because tyra thought she looked weird with her huge eyes |
| 10:13.52 | dolseni | also i really like the new bleach op |
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| 10:17.13 | LordTicut | hi all |
| 10:17.44 | LordTicut | i got a question.. maybe sumbody can help meh |
| 10:17.53 | dolseni | wont know until you ask |
| 10:17.58 | LordTicut | :D |
| 10:18.12 | LordTicut | whats the diff between a normal scan, and a fast GET ALL SCAN... |
| 10:19.00 | LordTicut | will the fast get all,,, scan the same as the normla one just faster? or will it skip some things? |
| 10:19.00 | LordTicut | cos some ppl say NEVER FAST GET ALL SCAN |
| 10:19.01 | LordTicut | cos u dont get everything.. |
| 10:19.02 | Elkano | context error - please provide additional information |
| 10:20.45 | LordTicut | sec.. phone.. |
| 10:21.43 | LordTicut | ok.. back.. |
| 10:21.53 | LordTicut | There's a button called FAST GETALL SCAN |
| 10:21.59 | LordTicut | my question is |
| 10:22.44 | LordTicut | if u use that button, will the auctioneer scan EVERYTHINGm just like a NORMAL SCAN? . cos some ppl say it will not scan everything, and it's better to just do a normal scan... (th ebutton below) |
| 10:23.21 | LordTicut | cos a normal scan takes like 5-6 min... and if u use fast getall scan, its finish in like 15 secs.. but does it scan everything? |
| 10:23.23 | LordTicut | ................ |
| 10:25.22 | Elkano | where is your there? Yo know that this a general channel wrt WoW addon development, don't you? |
| 10:28.00 | LordTicut | hmm.. |
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| 10:28.04 | LordTicut | this is not auctioneer chat? |
| 10:28.32 | LordTicut | ok.. dont mind me.. im outta here.. |
| 10:29.40 | amro | ................. |
| 10:45.37 | dolseni | lol i could have given him an answer |
| 10:46.02 | dolseni | but i was busy watching a vid |
| 10:49.25 | amro | I suspect he was trying to summon pacman |
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| 11:03.49 | dolseni | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtl9gO2dt_4 |
| 11:03.51 | dolseni | i think it worked |
| 11:08.17 | haste | remi :D |
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| 11:11.48 | iListenU | Where can be problem? here's screen: http://parduoduv.puslapiai.lt/ (in top)? What i need to do to solve it?? |
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| 11:19.12 | dolseni | http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=B222 |
| 11:19.40 | dolseni | wow, buying 1000 of those neodymium magnets really isn't all that expensive |
| 11:20.09 | Wobin | that's cause they're tiny |
| 11:20.13 | ZorbaGama | alright, high on my list of things I don't understand: people calling their banks to contest a donation they made |
| 11:27.51 | Aiiane | ZorbaGama: o.O |
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| 11:47.22 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaGama: they are trying to stop payment.. a donation? |
| 11:48.40 | ZorbaGama | jn, oh, they did stop it. got it reversed in fact. I mean, I would have just refunded it if they'd asked anyway, but |
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| 11:49.55 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 11:57.43 | Kraft | 5.5gb of 'system queued error reporting' >< poo that |
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| 12:16.23 | Cruciformer | afternoon all |
| 12:18.34 | Hirsute-Home | Mornin |
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| 12:21.28 | Cruciformer | hey foxlit thanks for your help with dropdowns the other day, your suggestion worked. However that code is an abomination and I am going to write my own dropdown type thing thats neatly encapsulated being an object with pretty little methods and all. |
| 12:21.41 | Cruciformer | s/being/behind/ |
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| 12:26.03 | foxlit | Cruciformer: sounds about right. |
| 12:31.44 | Fisker- | awesome ZorbaGama |
| 12:31.45 | Fisker- | take that |
| 12:31.52 | Fisker- | infact it was probably me |
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| 12:39.31 | ZorbaGama | oh no, you gave me $5 and then took it away again |
| 12:39.34 | ZorbaGama | the horror, the horror |
| 12:40.41 | theorbtwo | On the other hand, reversed transactions up your fraud rating. |
| 12:41.31 | Cruciformer | does anybody know what the argument to the OnLeave script is? In my particular case here it is set to "true" but I am wondering what that value indicates |
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| 12:41.43 | jaxdahl | is it possible to call GetInventoryItemLink on another player unit without having their inspect window open? |
| 12:49.40 | jaxdahl | looks like the answer is no, apparently |
| 12:50.48 | ZorbaGama | theorb, I've had enough stuff go through Paypal so far that I doubt I'm on the knife edge of being booted |
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| 12:58.42 | foxlit | Cruciformer: whether the leave was caused my mouse motion or not |
| 12:58.48 | Hirsute-Home | jaxdahl: Yeah, I just checked, but it looks like you've figured it out at this point. |
| 13:00.58 | Cruciformer | thanks foxlit. This whole OnEnter/OnLeave thing doesn't work in the way I would expect nor in a particularly useful way imho. |
| 13:01.16 | foxlit | Dunno what you expect |
| 13:02.04 | Cruciformer | lets say I have a container frame. Inside it are other smaller frames. It seems as if when the mouse enters the smaller frames, the larger one gets an OnLeave. |
| 13:02.30 | Cruciformer | it would make sense to me that OnLeave only dires when you leave the rectangle of the frame entirely. |
| 13:02.54 | Cruciformer | *fires |
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| 13:04.26 | Cruciformer | On in this example, create a container frame, create a few children frames. You mouse into the container, you get OnEnter. You mouse into one of the childrenm you get its OnEnter. When you mouse out of the children its OnLeave fires, and only when you completely mouse out of the container rectangle does it fire OnLEave. |
| 13:04.30 | zenzio | http://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=979829299 <-- check the name of this company (after "Navn/foretaksnavn:") |
| 13:04.33 | Cruciformer | Hope that made sense. |
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| 13:13.39 | jaxdahl | is there any type of event that fires if someone comes into inspect range? |
| 13:14.52 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:15.56 | jaxdahl | making an addon that will inspect my raid members and determine their gear level for flame leviathan |
| 13:16.21 | jaxdahl | very simple right now, only 15 lines of code or so |
| 13:16.52 | jaxdahl | wanting to make it a little more automated |
| 13:17.23 | amro | jaxdahl: you should probably make it autoinspect on target |
| 13:17.31 | amro | and just walk around inspectin' the troops. |
| 13:18.23 | jaxdahl | i was thinking of just scanning the raid list and calling CanInspect on each one then calling the gear check function |
| 13:19.00 | jaxdahl | eventually i want to record the best known gear level for the player so i can look at a list later and know what people's gear levels are at |
| 13:20.42 | jaxdahl | is player name the best way to store data, or is there a more sophisicated way of recording that data? |
| 13:21.59 | Cruciformer | if you want to preserve it accurately its a poor way. better to create some form of unique ID, so that if a player pays for a rename, you can just change the name attribute of the id. |
| 13:22.18 | ZorbaGama | player name is probably the best - there's some tricky stuff you can do with guids or other unique identifiers but it's just not worth the hassle. |
| 13:22.34 | jaxdahl | yea i don't need to be so advanced as to track renames |
| 13:22.45 | ZorbaGama | I mean, how often are people honestly going to pay for renames? and in the case that they do, which is easier - writing a bunch of code to deal with it, or just clicking on the guy and hitting "inspect" again? :P |
| 13:22.50 | jaxdahl | just want to follow KISS |
| 13:22.50 | Cruciformer | then name will suffice :) |
| 13:23.05 | jaxdahl | this is the first addon i'm writing from scratch |
| 13:23.12 | ZorbaGama | although you may want to either store it in per-character savedvariables, or save servername/playername tuples in global savedvariables |
| 13:23.23 | ZorbaGama | even if you don't play on multiple servers with people with identical names, someone out there does ;) |
| 13:23.54 | Cruciformer | ZorbaGama: Does each player have a unique ID that is blizzard-assigned? Whats thsi GUID you speak of? |
| 13:24.25 | ZorbaGama | cruci, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitGUID |
| 13:24.35 | Xinhuan | any horde player have free time? i would like to know how many locations the horde WG flight path links to |
| 13:24.58 | jaxdahl | "Renaming and transfering to another server, or to another account gives your character a new GUID." |
| 13:25.11 | ZorbaGama | yeah, probably wouldn't even help in that case ;) |
| 13:26.55 | Cruciformer | Bit of ambiguity there. "transfering and renaming" ... I wonder if that means if you transfer and rename simultaneously, or if your transfer or rename (without transfer). |
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| 13:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | Each individually changes the GUID, Cruciformer, or so people have said in the past. |
| 13:30.02 | Cruciformer | ah pity. I cant use the GUID for my current mod's purposes then :/ |
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| 13:35.35 | jaxdahl | an array in lua is a table? |
| 13:35.49 | jaxdahl | never mind |
| 13:40.56 | Kaelten | gods, who the hell went in and necro'd all the wowmatrix threads |
| 13:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'll give you one guess.... someome from WM! |
| 13:41.55 | Kaelten | very possible |
| 13:42.33 | Kaelten | guy finds a thread not posted to in four days and posts a blob of incohereent rambling |
| 13:43.17 | Lopeppeppy | I'm tired of reporting for trolling, it seems that these threads are being left to give people a place to vent rather than zerg-post on the forums. |
| 13:45.15 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple drive me mad. "Are there more text colors for the web pages?" "No, we limited that deliberately so that websites wouldn't be ugly. If you're trying to do something specific, maybe I can help you spiffy up the page?" "Oh, no, I just felt like using a different color." |
| 13:45.20 | Lopeppeppy | *facepalm* |
| 13:45.24 | Kaelten | "Well I am about to have to reformat my hard drive because I tried to install the curse client and it has messed my PC up worse than a virus. I have tried to uninstall it and it will not let me." |
| 13:45.27 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 13:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | Spare me from people thinking that web pages need an "interior decorator touch of color" |
| 13:45.46 | Kaelten | having ran the client on about 10 computers personally, I've never seen anything like that |
| 13:45.47 | Kaelten | gaaaaah |
| 13:45.48 | Lopeppeppy | PEBKAC there, Kaelten. |
| 13:46.05 | theorbtwo | PEBKAC would be my call too. |
| 13:46.21 | Cruciformer | PEBKAC? |
| 13:46.28 | Kaelten | thats like EMEBKAC |
| 13:46.47 | theorbtwo | Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair. |
| 13:47.01 | Kaelten | mine was Electro-Mangnet Exists.... |
| 13:48.07 | theorbtwo | A little touch of color can be a great thing, and I bet many good decent interior designers could bring interesting insights to web design. |
| 13:48.35 | theorbtwo | The problem is when people just want pages that don't look like other ones, or think more is better. |
| 13:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | I gives them a touch of color with the CSS sheets, a nice red text and a maroon text. She wants blue. Which would clash horribly with the nice hunter green template colors. |
| 13:51.15 | Lopeppeppy | *shiver* |
| 13:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | They'd put yellow text on a white background if I let them, they all seem to have grown up on magic mushrooms. |
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| 13:57.35 | jaxdahl | hmm, i need to figure out how to have my addon bring up the inspect window in order for me to call GetInventoryItemLink, but it does not appear to be an API function. I need to determine how to have my addon open it, do I need to dig through the blizzard UI code for how to do this? (don't tell me outright how) |
| 13:58.35 | Lopeppeppy | How do/does the raid addons check for gear damage levels? oRA and CT raid? |
| 13:58.43 | Lopeppeppy | I dont know if that will help you or not, but it's an idea. |
| 13:59.44 | jaxdahl | they probably do that through addon communication channels |
| 14:00.12 | jaxdahl | inspecting another player doesn't show their durability |
| 14:00.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh well, I tried! |
| 14:03.22 | jaxdahl | InspectFrame_Show(unit) |
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| 14:04.27 | Ackis | tackles Lopeppeppy and blames Blizzard. |
| 14:06.36 | jaxdahl | "raidn - The raid member where n is a number from 1 to however many members there are in the raid. The highest n always refers to the player, and the lowest n always refers to the raid leader." |
| 14:06.42 | jaxdahl | what if the player is also the raid leader? |
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| 14:12.10 | foxlit | Then the universe EXPLODES. |
| 14:16.20 | theorbtwo | jaxdahl: I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the player is in there twice. |
| 14:16.28 | theorbtwo | There's an easy way to find out, though. |
| 14:16.32 | theorbtwo | TIAS. |
| 14:18.23 | Seerah | groggily says "good morning" |
| 14:19.16 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi Seerah-lady |
| 14:19.16 | Ackis | pokes Seerah |
| 14:19.16 | jaxdahl | actually there is an API function for inspecting, InspectUnit |
| 14:19.16 | Seerah | Ackis: I'm awake.... |
| 14:19.23 | Ackis | i knows |
| 14:19.42 | Seerah | :) |
| 14:19.45 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey |
| 14:20.17 | jaxdahl | hmm, is there any difference between CheckInteractDistance(unit,1) and CanInspect(unit) ? |
| 14:20.38 | Ackis | 4,......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................po-0/ |
| 14:20.56 | Ackis | uhh |
| 14:21.03 | Seerah | :\ |
| 14:21.03 | Ackis | new kitty says hi |
| 14:21.10 | Trela_ | Notepad is for keyboard and kittens. :D |
| 14:21.10 | Seerah | thought so :) |
| 14:21.21 | theorbtwo | Hi, new kitty! |
| 14:21.21 | Trela_ | *keyboard cleaning |
| 14:21.54 | nevcairiel | Ackis: http://www.bitboost.com/pawsense/ |
| 14:22.44 | Ackis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.49 | Ackis | ugh |
| 14:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | Put down the kitten and back away |
| 14:23.20 | Ackis | ahhh he farted |
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| 14:23.51 | Seerah | when my dog does that he quick looks at his butt like "wth was that?" |
| 14:25.09 | Ackis | this is that new cat we got... apparently he wanted some pets lol |
| 14:25.14 | Ackis | i feel so used |
| 14:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | You should. Humans are cat petting stations. |
| 14:25.40 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:25.47 | Seerah | yeah. don't you know cats by now? :p |
| 14:27.25 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/funny-pictures-cats-and-dogs-think-differently.jpg |
| 14:27.55 | jaxdahl | looks like calling NotifyInspect() changes the internal information that GetInventoryItemLink uses, no need to bring up the inspect frame |
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| 14:29.01 | jaxdahl | so i need to register for INSPECT_TALENT_READY i believe |
| 14:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | Off for meetin's and stuff, stay good! |
| 14:29.34 | Ackis | have fun peppy |
| 14:30.57 | jaxdahl | does my code need to have a frame in order to register for events? |
| 14:31.33 | nicoli_s | no |
| 14:31.41 | Seerah | yes |
| 14:31.52 | nicoli_s | it does? |
| 14:32.00 | Seerah | technically, you could use a Blizzard frame, but you should use one of your own |
| 14:32.03 | jaxdahl | so i need to make a .xml file |
| 14:32.04 | Seerah | it doesn't have to be visible |
| 14:32.04 | jaxdahl | ? |
| 14:32.05 | Seerah | no |
| 14:32.13 | Seerah | f = CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 14:32.22 | Seerah | f:RegisterEvent("EVENT") |
| 14:32.40 | Seerah | f:SetScript("OnEvent", yourcodehere) |
| 14:32.52 | jaxdahl | thank you |
| 14:33.40 | Ackis | hey Seerah I heard u like mudkipz |
| 14:33.47 | Seerah | ? |
| 14:33.52 | Ackis | i dunno |
| 14:33.53 | Ackis | i'm stoned |
| 14:34.02 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:34.06 | nicoli_s | too early for that ackis |
| 14:34.12 | Ackis | pain killers my friend |
| 14:34.19 | Seerah | It's *always* too early for that :P |
| 14:34.26 | Seerah | pain killers again? |
| 14:34.38 | Ackis | yah hurted my shoulder |
| 14:34.42 | Seerah | :( |
| 14:34.43 | Ackis | sheesh l2check facebook |
| 14:34.51 | Seerah | ....... >.> |
| 14:35.02 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:35.04 | Seerah | I've been slacking lately :( |
| 14:35.14 | Seerah | we might have our house today though! |
| 14:35.20 | Ackis | omg coolZ |
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| 14:36.01 | Seerah | going to do the title today and might get the closing in today as well |
| 14:36.15 | nicoli_s | sweet |
| 14:36.32 | Adys | TC-Away: pong |
| 14:36.43 | Adys | (and I can see IRC from my bed, dont think you woke me up) |
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| 14:37.43 | Wobin | Seerah: thesis? |
| 14:37.51 | Seerah | hrmm? |
| 14:37.59 | Seerah | oh - no, house :) |
| 14:38.46 | Wobin | Seerah: woo! |
| 14:39.02 | Wobin | grats! |
| 14:39.22 | Seerah | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SEX2BkuUl8g/Scm8Td3zxgI/AAAAAAAAAJE/secSlPv_Vv4/s1600-h/lca8efb41-m0m.jpg |
| 14:39.35 | nicoli_s | fancy |
| 14:40.20 | Wobin | very nice! |
| 14:41.28 | Seerah | needs some work done before we can move in at the end of May |
| 14:42.48 | Adys | Wobin: "Switzerland now joins Israel, Mexico, Russia and IKEA on the worldwide Obama ad exploitation tour lineup." |
| 14:42.51 | Adys | made me laugh |
| 14:43.16 | Seerah | IKEA's it's own country, don'tcha know? |
| 14:43.22 | Wobin | and IKEA =) |
| 14:43.35 | Seerah | I miss IKEA :( |
| 14:44.06 | Wobin | why do you miss it? |
| 14:45.00 | Wobin | hands Seerah a tiny allen key, some badly imaged instructions, and hours of "well that's not what the -pictures- said!". |
| 14:45.12 | Seerah | hehe |
| 14:45.21 | Seerah | closest one to where I live currently is about 3 hours away |
| 14:45.39 | Wobin | for me... it's about an hour or so |
| 14:45.40 | Ackis | ~wowitem 45977 |
| 14:45.41 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45977 http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=45977 |
| 14:45.42 | Wobin | but they have delivery! |
| 14:45.47 | Ackis | I just got taht from the fishing daily lol |
| 14:45.50 | Seerah | anyway - I like IKEA :) |
| 14:45.50 | Wobin | (only during the weekdays) |
| 14:46.02 | Wobin | Ackis: nice! |
| 14:46.06 | Ackis | Seerah: so when can I come visit your new house? :P lol |
| 14:46.06 | Seerah | granted, our dresser is falling apart.... |
| 14:46.08 | Wobin | nice and expensive =) |
| 14:46.18 | Seerah | we'll have a house warming party in July :P |
| 14:46.50 | nicoli_s | and all of #wowuidev is invited? |
| 14:46.57 | Seerah | hehe |
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| 14:50.22 | Ackis | shows up to Seerah's house with all his critters! |
| 14:50.42 | Seerah | hehehe - my dog might try to eat and/or chase them |
| 14:53.24 | zenzelezz | hopefully he'll try chasing before eating; the reverse would be weird |
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| 14:54.24 | Seerah | lol |
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| 14:57.28 | Ackis | who wrote daily quest viwere? |
| 14:57.51 | Ackis | was it *you*? |
| 14:59.49 | Trela_ | Viwere? |
| 15:00.18 | Ackis | Viewer |
| 15:00.19 | jennicide | viewer |
| 15:00.38 | jennicide | has anyone released a tourguide profile for dailies? |
| 15:00.52 | foxlit | wouldn't that be totally redundant? |
| 15:01.06 | jennicide | how so? |
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| 15:01.48 | foxlit | It would seem (to me) that the main point of tourguide et al is to remove the need for exploration, and choices about which quests to do when. |
| 15:02.21 | jennicide | right |
| 15:02.38 | foxlit | Dailies, on the other hand, have you doing a known routine daily, so there really isn't anything new or unusual that'd warrant hand-holding your way through it. |
| 15:02.47 | Ackis | foxlit: I think they wanted a daily quest guide to maximize their daily golllddddd |
| 15:02.55 | jennicide | ^^^ |
| 15:03.19 | Ackis | jennicide: fwiw I've been thinking aboot doing it but alas I'm lazy |
| 15:03.44 | Ackis | oh can someone make a bug report on the bug report forum for me? |
| 15:04.39 | Trela_ | I wrote one for the Shattered Sun Offensive daily quests. |
| 15:04.56 | Wobin | more realm restarts? |
| 15:05.50 | Ackis | Trela_: do one for wrath dailies pls? |
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| 15:06.48 | foxlit | Converted Heroes: good cannon fodder, or the best cannon fodder? |
| 15:07.10 | Trela_ | I could run around and do all of their daily quests in about thirty minutes. :D |
| 15:10.31 | Ackis | can TG allow you to have multiple "paths" to do something? |
| 15:11.03 | jaxdahl | hrm |
| 15:11.16 | jaxdahl | my addon seems to be working, but eventually crashes wow or disconnects me |
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| 15:13.58 | Jamash | jaxdahl: that sucks |
| 15:17.22 | jaxdahl | as far as i can tell i'm not flooding the server with any queries, just calling NotifyInspect on two units |
| 15:17.46 | jaxdahl | it completes successfully, but crashes or disconnects a few seconds later |
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| 15:18.50 | Moleculor | Stop trying to hack the game. :P |
| 15:21.42 | Jamash | man, Sniper Training is annoying |
| 15:23.01 | amro | kinda makes you wish for the 1.0 hunter trees |
| 15:24.27 | Jamash | hey, so they didn't put in the Gear Manager, but they *did* put in the outfitter-like feature that lets you hold down alt and hover a gear slot to swap gear |
| 15:25.55 | jaxdahl | like itemrack does automatically when you mouseover? |
| 15:25.58 | nevcairiel | the gear manager is technically in too |
| 15:26.06 | nevcairiel | you just have to enable it manually |
| 15:26.12 | nevcairiel | because the ui options were removed |
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| 15:31.16 | Wobin | Jamash: how much are you moving around? =P |
| 15:31.23 | Wobin | Sniper training is great! |
| 15:31.43 | Jamash | it's annoying because it's constantly refreshing a buff that goes flash flash flash flash flash flash flash |
| 15:31.51 | Jamash | and spamming up my combat log |
| 15:32.05 | Wobin | maybe you need a throttle on that particular buff =) |
| 15:32.10 | theorbtwo | bets you could find an addon to help with that... |
| 15:32.44 | Jamash | I'm running with addons off for a while to see if that fixes my disconnect problem |
| 15:32.57 | Jamash | normally I don't notice it since I use EBB |
| 15:36.39 | Jamash | did they change tracking abilities to ignore Z-axis distance? |
| 15:39.08 | Elkano | no idea, at least they fixed tracking when going out of cat form ^^ |
| 15:39.37 | Ackis | eh my gf said that drdamage was fixed |
| 15:39.39 | Ackis | SHE LIED |
| 15:39.45 | Ackis | Jamash: EBB is a keylogger! |
| 15:40.02 | Jamash | your face is a keylogger |
| 15:40.13 | Elkano | and ARL is a trojan, rootkit and rapes your children! |
| 15:40.34 | Ackis | Elkano: and your mother! |
| 15:40.50 | Elkano | making jokes about dead people isn't funny |
| 15:41.11 | Adys | http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/531-when-sylvia-comes-to-town.html |
| 15:41.13 | Adys | vomites |
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| 15:45.58 | Jamash | holy crap I got coin master |
| 15:46.06 | nevcairiel | grats =) |
| 15:46.08 | Wobin | foxlit: best cannon fodder EVA |
| 15:46.24 | nevcairiel | those are awesome for the "kill 15 scourge mobs" daily |
| 15:46.31 | nevcairiel | just kill 2 packs and you're done |
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| 15:47.41 | Wobin | as tank spec I don't even have to look up |
| 15:47.48 | Wobin | just aoe occasionally and deathstrike |
| 15:47.57 | nevcairiel | i just run through them as bear |
| 15:47.59 | jaxdahl | do i want to use hooksecurefunc if i'm messing with NotifyInspect? |
| 15:47.59 | foxlit | unbreakable armor > those packs |
| 15:48.00 | nevcairiel | its awesome |
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| 15:48.35 | foxlit | Don't even have to bother with death strike |
| 15:48.46 | foxlit | (which has been nerfed... to the ground!) |
| 15:48.56 | nevcairiel | didnt they fix the nerf again? |
| 15:48.59 | jaxdahl | actually death strike is great for tanks now |
| 15:49.00 | Wobin | it's good enough for me |
| 15:49.03 | jaxdahl | especially unholy |
| 15:49.04 | foxlit | [at least in so far as non-blood specs are concerned] |
| 15:49.05 | Wobin | 10% heals is a -lot- of health |
| 15:49.17 | foxlit | Measly 2k in dps gear. |
| 15:49.22 | Wobin | it's now 5% of your max health per disease |
| 15:49.30 | jaxdahl | over 6k as a raid buffed unholy tank |
| 15:49.33 | foxlit | 3k in tanking gear -- color me unimpressed. |
| 15:49.40 | Wobin | it's enough for those packs =P |
| 15:49.46 | Wobin | and for frostmaw |
| 15:49.54 | foxlit | chillmaw |
| 15:49.58 | Wobin | dat bunny |
| 15:50.00 | nevcairiel | you cry because you only heal yourself for 3k? =P |
| 15:50.19 | foxlit | I'm not crying, I'm saying that that ability is usually a waste of good runes. |
| 15:50.25 | Wobin | It's a nice predictable heal if I need it |
| 15:50.32 | jaxdahl | i can IT PS DS BS BS DS ERW DS DS DS |
| 15:50.33 | nevcairiel | 3k heal is still alot when soloing |
| 15:50.39 | nevcairiel | it takes me a while to lose 3k health |
| 15:50.43 | Wobin | if I desparately need a heal, I can raise/sac a ghoul |
| 15:50.47 | foxlit | Hopefully nobody actually soloes in tank gear. |
| 15:50.56 | Kalroth | wat |
| 15:50.57 | Wobin | well. I tried dps gearing frostmaw =( |
| 15:50.58 | nevcairiel | you might an big elite |
| 15:50.59 | jaxdahl | i ran H UP with no healers, took 4 DPSers (though 2 of them were ret paladins and judging light helped a little) |
| 15:51.04 | Wobin | and the explosives got me |
| 15:51.15 | Wobin | so I switched to tank spec/gear |
| 15:51.18 | Wobin | and easily did it |
| 15:51.28 | Kalroth | tank gear is the best for soloing (elite) mobs |
| 15:51.36 | Wobin | much less spiky in the incoming damage |
| 15:51.36 | foxlit | I do chillmaw in blood presence, dps gear. |
| 15:51.47 | Wobin | perhaps your gear is better than mine =) |
| 15:52.01 | foxlit | 10-man raid stuff, mostly |
| 15:52.05 | foxlit | (naxx) |
| 15:52.11 | Wobin | okay, maybe I just fail |
| 15:52.16 | Kalroth | Wobin is still using gray items, he's been trying to get greens, but it's hard |
| 15:52.22 | Wobin | I'm not hardcore enough =( |
| 15:55.40 | Jamash | that reminds me, I need to start up my argent tourny quests |
| 15:58.23 | jaxdahl | how do i wait or sleep N seconds? |
| 15:59.32 | Jamash | you don't, really |
| 15:59.32 | Grum | jaxdahl: hold your breath and count out loud? |
| 15:59.51 | Jamash | there are timer libraries for doing something after a certain amount of time |
| 16:00.12 | amro | if you were to really sleep for X seconds, you'd completely freeze the UI during that time |
| 16:00.50 | Grum | which you can do ;) |
| 16:00.52 | jaxdahl | hrm |
| 16:01.06 | jaxdahl | i want to be throttling my calls |
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| 16:04.21 | amro | jaxdahl: use a timer as suggested |
| 16:04.42 | jaxdahl | i think i figured out the cause, NotifyInspect(unit) doesn't like it if unit is player |
| 16:04.58 | jaxdahl | so i'm checking UnitIsUnit("player",foo) then doing something else instead |
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| 16:08.22 | Gnarfoz | synaptics touchpads are awesome <3 |
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| 16:10.24 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 16:10.54 | Jamash | 'morning |
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| 16:15.02 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:16.11 | Arrowmaster | trying to get a new pair of leather shoes on takes a lot of work..... |
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| 16:18.45 | Lunessa | Rubbing alcohol - rub it on the insides where the shoes pinch or are tight. It will help it stretch and conform to your feet. |
| 16:20.13 | Arrowmaster | insides? |
| 16:22.12 | Lunessa | Yes. it moistens the leather, so it will stretch. And unlike water, won't rot or help bacteria/fungs. |
| 16:22.50 | Lunessa | I know, strange things I've learned over the years. |
| 16:23.01 | Fisker- | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7100) |
| 16:23.43 | Arrowmaster | insides are cloth |
| 16:23.59 | Arrowmaster | and now i gota leave or ill be late to class |
| 16:27.48 | Trela_ | sends an email to WoWMatrix. |
| 16:27.59 | Trela_ | bonks a scout. |
| 16:30.00 | Lunessa | OMG - http://xkcd.com/573/ |
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| 16:31.06 | jaxdahl | nice, my addon is working |
| 16:37.54 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/99630631 |
| 16:37.55 | Adys | rofl |
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| 17:11.21 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-KaKAmmEY&feature=related |
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| 17:49.37 | Shirik | How the hell is this a bug |
| 17:49.52 | Lopeppeppy | Because it the hell is? |
| 17:50.02 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort shirik |
| 17:50.03 | purl | There, there, shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:50.12 | Shirik | The j.u.r.Pattern.compile method in Sun 1.5 JDK has a problem ([1],[2]) with exponential compilation times, when using optional groups....When Sun JVM 1.5 driven application with spring.jar in its classpath accepts serializable data, an attacker could use a long regex string with many optional groups to consume enormous CPU resources. And, with a few requests all listeners will be occupied with compiling regex expre |
| 17:50.46 | Shirik | That's like saying "while true do end" is a denial of service |
| 17:51.16 | Dagmar | It is if you let any random asshole make your server run it |
| 17:51.24 | Shirik | but that's my point |
| 17:51.40 | Shirik | You can't "protect" regular expressions |
| 17:51.55 | Shirik | they can be very complex and have huge computation times |
| 17:52.01 | Shirik | What do you want |
| 17:52.45 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:52.48 | Lunessa | Shirik: I WANT A PONY. |
| 17:52.48 | Dagmar | For people to think before they code, mainly. |
| 17:52.53 | Fisker- | computation tiems |
| 17:52.56 | Dashkal | That kind of issue makes me sad that they deprecated all the thread kill methods. Not that that stops me from using them to kill threads that get out of control |
| 17:53.04 | Shirik | But blame it on Sun, Dagmar? |
| 17:53.26 | Shirik | Dagmar: They deprecated it because it's inherently dangerous |
| 17:53.40 | Shirik | It violates portions of the language specification |
| 17:53.42 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I had submitted an opinion at all |
| 17:53.57 | Shirik | (13:52:30) (Dagmar) For people to think before they code, mainly. |
| 17:54.04 | Shirik | The people writing this thing are blaming it on Sun |
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| 17:54.08 | Shirik | not on the user |
| 17:54.18 | Dagmar | Not my problem |
| 17:54.28 | Shirik | Nor is it sun's problem |
| 17:54.32 | Dagmar | I know better than to let users have unrestricted regexp access |
| 17:54.38 | Shirik | right |
| 17:54.44 | Shirik | and that's what should be expected of developers |
| 17:55.01 | Dagmar | You asked what I wanted, I told you |
| 17:55.05 | Dagmar | That much of it isn't debateable |
| 17:55.10 | Shirik | ... |
| 17:55.15 | Dashkal | Shirik: I know why they deprecated it, but they didn't give an alternate and there are some use cases where it's necessary to kill off a runaway thread (situations where code is untrusted, scripting, etc) |
| 17:55.22 | mikma | yeah sun is the problem, nuke it down from it's orbit |
| 17:55.37 | Shirik | Dashkal: Problem is there isn't really a way to safely do that :) |
| 17:55.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ... it's orbit? |
| 17:55.43 | Shirik | that's why there's no alternative |
| 17:55.51 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: hah! you got it :D |
| 17:55.52 | Shirik | People still use thread death |
| 17:55.54 | Dashkal | Shirik: Heh, when I'm killing a runaway script, I don't care so much about safe. I just want it dead |
| 17:55.57 | Dagmar | OMG it's a monopoly! |
| 17:55.59 | Shirik | Hell even netbeans does |
| 17:56.28 | Dashkal | The security manager is great for keeping the script from doing bad things... all except for when the "bad things" is excessive resource consumption |
| 17:56.55 | Shirik | security manager will be in minion :) |
| 17:59.39 | Shirik | What else is incredibly stupid: JDK's keytool application does not allow you to import private keys |
| 17:59.49 | Shirik | There is no valid reason for that -_- |
| 17:59.51 | Dashkal | Meh, I need to learn more about the security system than I ever have before. I want to secure my OSGi environment. |
| 18:00.02 | Dashkal | Oh god, JDK's keytool *shudder* I _hate_ that thing |
| 18:00.14 | Shirik | Yeah well, unfortunately I don't see an option |
| 18:00.21 | Dagmar | You'd be importing private keys, why? |
| 18:00.24 | Shirik | I need to do HTTPS client certificate authentication |
| 18:00.52 | Shirik | And I've already generated the key and cert via openssl |
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| 18:01.29 | Dashkal | huh... I dealt with that once. Sadly it was two years ago for another company. I couldn't tell you how I handled it :( |
| 18:01.44 | Shirik | Well right now I'm using an apache library to do it |
| 18:01.51 | Shirik | but they rely on a java keystore |
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| 18:02.59 | Coren{de} | chat filtering needs tiers :/ |
| 18:03.29 | Dashkal | Doesn't BouncyCastle have an alternate keytool? Going from long dormant memory here so I might be off |
| 18:04.34 | Coren{de} | a filter tier and a rewrite-output tier at the very least would be nice ~ |
| 18:06.19 | Dagmar | Shirik: You generated them, you didn't import them tho |
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| 18:15.58 | mikma | yey, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46351 |
| 18:16.36 | mikma | a bit fast for enhancement but... now i have a mainhand for offspec :D |
| 18:19.43 | NightHawkTheSane | too fast for MH. |
| 18:20.02 | NightHawkTheSane | you -REALLY- want a slow MH |
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| 18:21.13 | Jamash | blargh, picking gems |
| 18:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | Better than picking germs |
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| 18:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i beg to differ! http://www.giantmicrobes.com/ |
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| 18:39.05 | Lunessa | mikma: Nice hammer. |
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| 18:39.33 | mikma | lunessa: a bit fast for enhancement, but it's a good start for the gear hehe |
| 18:39.44 | Lunessa | Ok for OH use with Flametongue or Frostbrand, but ... not great. |
| 18:40.04 | mikma | can't use it in OH, with the current enhancement gear |
| 18:40.36 | Lunessa | I'm using this for an OH, but I really should get something slower: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40239 |
| 18:41.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I picked up a Kinetic Ripper for shits and giggles the other day. :P |
| 18:41.23 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45284 |
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| 18:41.35 | mikma | previously i didn't have any weapon for ench gear :D |
| 18:41.38 | mikma | now i have this mace hehe |
| 18:42.37 | Lunessa | mikma: Use the titansteel mace for a MH and the OH from either emblems or CoT:Strat - (I forget which is which hand) |
| 18:42.50 | Lunessa | But the mace is nice. |
| 18:43.52 | Lunessa | I'm a big fan of fist weapons, but I really should get a slower OH. :/ |
| 18:44.25 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* you have to take what drops, unfortunately. :P |
| 18:45.08 | Antiarc | I hate Blizzard's itemization choices >:[ |
| 18:45.19 | Antiarc | Really, who is going to use a 1.6 speed melee DPS sword? |
| 18:47.31 | Dagmar | A mage maybe |
| 18:47.52 | mikma | lunessa: ain't it slow/slow - mh/oh ? |
| 18:48.12 | Lunessa | mikma: slow/slow is ideal for WF/WF imbues. |
| 18:48.26 | NightHawkTheSane | oh can be either slow for WF, or fast for FT. |
| 18:48.36 | mikma | lunessa: but what's the best? |
| 18:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe, at least. |
| 18:48.57 | Lunessa | Otherwise, you can get away with WF/MH - other imbue OH - but it depends on what you have, what you've specced and what you can get. |
| 18:49.03 | amro | mikma: your bare fists |
| 18:49.11 | mikma | amro: you like fisting, don't you? |
| 18:49.31 | Lunessa | I use WF on MH, and FT on OH and I do ok. But I want a slower weapon on my OH to increase the damage done by FT. |
| 18:49.45 | amro | mikma: ...just no |
| 18:50.08 | Lunessa | Shaman, like paladins, want slower weapons for raw DPS. |
| 18:52.42 | Lunessa | mikma: And this will make you sad panda - melee white damage is going to be the biggest part of your DPS - ALWAYS. |
| 18:52.53 | mikma | yeah hehe |
| 18:52.56 | mikma | so cap the hit |
| 18:53.05 | Lunessa | Then cap the Expertise |
| 18:55.50 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: ping |
| 18:55.57 | NightHawkTheSane | pong? what did i fuck up now? |
| 18:56.16 | Lunessa | You harshed my mellow man. |
| 18:56.19 | Syzgyn | The guildy of mine who is trying to code posted some more stuff |
| 18:56.19 | Syzgyn | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112994 |
| 18:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ... are you sure this is for real? you're not like, fucking with me? :p |
| 18:57.45 | durcyn | christ, now my eyeballs are bleeding |
| 18:57.55 | Syzgyn | I swear it's real |
| 18:58.27 | Syzgyn | I'd post the forum link but it's in the private section |
| 18:58.27 | amro | Syzgyn: is there some encoding error or is that the original? |
| 18:58.44 | ArrowmasterClass | Syzgyn: tell him to stop programming in Word |
| 18:58.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:58.57 | Syzgyn | amro: He's using weird quotes |
| 18:59.07 | ArrowmasterClass | because hes using a word processor |
| 18:59.08 | Syzgyn | realmName |
| 18:59.11 | Syzgyn | yea |
| 18:59.27 | amro | wow. |
| 18:59.32 | Fisker- | i program in publisher |
| 19:00.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ArrowmasterClass: even ignoring that part.. its still rather head-explody |
| 19:00.26 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah well read("*1") isnt really valid |
| 19:00.28 | Syzgyn | I'm taking suggestions on how to reply to this |
| 19:00.37 | Addybot | what the FUCK |
| 19:00.39 | Syzgyn | because I have no flipping clue how to |
| 19:00.39 | Addybot | just |
| 19:00.41 | Addybot | wtf. |
| 19:00.54 | Syzgyn | maybe I'll just post this transcript |
| 19:01.08 | Lopeppeppy | What's that xkcd about wtf in coding... |
| 19:01.11 | ArrowmasterClass | Syzgyn: www.wowprogramming.com/store |
| 19:01.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ArrowmasterClass: thats far from the ONLY thing that isn't "valid" :P |
| 19:01.27 | amro | and I thought coding in notepad was bad. |
| 19:01.32 | Adys | no |
| 19:01.37 | Adys | coding in notepad is just |
| 19:01.41 | Adys | great |
| 19:01.42 | Adys | compared to that |
| 19:02.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd be hard pressed to call this actually "coding" |
| 19:02.10 | theorbtwo | Other then forgetting to save as text, is it really *that* bad? |
| 19:02.16 | amro | he's composing. |
| 19:02.20 | Jamash | yes, it is |
| 19:02.22 | Adys | yeah its that bad |
| 19:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: have you actually read it? |
| 19:02.36 | theorbtwo | Tried to. |
| 19:02.54 | Adys | if you're gonna use an unnecessarily bloated software that doesnt do syntax coloring |
| 19:02.57 | NightHawkTheSane | could you actually figure out how it was supposed to.. you know, work? :P |
| 19:03.00 | Adys | do it in google docs or something |
| 19:03.24 | Jamash | he's trying to... it's... nooooo |
| 19:03.37 | Jamash | make the hurting stop |
| 19:03.53 | theorbtwo | No, but that's not terribly relevant. He's not figured out his mission yet, he's just fucking around. |
| 19:04.11 | theorbtwo | Do you remember your first attempt to code something? |
| 19:04.14 | Jamash | get him to install WoWLua and try making one-liners, would be my advice |
| 19:04.29 | theorbtwo | Yes, that's probably good advice. |
| 19:04.29 | Syzgyn | theorbtwo: Not specifically, but my first code atleast ran |
| 19:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, it was.. better than that. |
| 19:04.45 | Jamash | 10 PRINT "I AM AWESOME" 20 GOTO 10 |
| 19:04.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: totally. :) |
| 19:05.24 | Jamash | my sister wrote a commodore 64 basic script to randomly flash the border and background colors |
| 19:05.36 | theorbtwo | From the shabang, he's trying to write lua for the actual lua executable, not for wow. |
| 19:05.37 | Syzgyn | If anyone wants to say something else to him before I copy and paste this as a response, to in now |
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| 19:05.51 | ArrowmasterClass | theorbtwo: except almost all the rest of it is for wow |
| 19:05.55 | Syzgyn | ~lart shirik |
| 19:05.55 | purl | hauls shirik up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 19:05.58 | theorbtwo | Yes. |
| 19:06.06 | theorbtwo | He needs guidence. |
| 19:06.10 | theorbtwo | Lots of it. |
| 19:06.21 | Shirik | stabs Syzgyn |
| 19:06.22 | theorbtwo | Making fun of him isn't going to be helpful. |
| 19:06.36 | theorbtwo | If you don't want to mentor him, just keep quiet. |
| 19:06.48 | Syzgyn | If I even thought for a moment that he was serious about doing this, I'd help him ou |
| 19:06.49 | Syzgyn | out |
| 19:07.20 | NightHawkTheSane | but making fun of him is.. well.. fun. |
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| 19:29.27 | Coren{de} | it seems like embedding color tags into |Hplayer:foo:bar|h[bar]|h is not an idea that works :| |
| 19:31.07 | ArrowmasterClass | it will, if you embed it in the right place |
| 19:32.04 | Coren{de} | define "the right place" :D |
| 19:32.31 | ArrowmasterClass | between the |h's |
| 19:35.15 | Coren{de} | ya well, that's not possible the way I'd prefer it to do... I'm trying to add a filter to chat, which replaces the name with name-in-class-color... which in the current ChatFrame_MessageEventHandler will end up at between the |H / |h pair as well... |
| 19:35.25 | NeoTron | so I'm using Word 2005 to code right now. Think it's worth upgrading to 2007? will that make my codes better? |
| 19:35.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: you should improve your matching pattern, then? |
| 19:35.52 | Cruciformer | its very clearly possible because prat does it. take at look at that. |
| 19:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ~NeoTron++ |
| 19:36.25 | Cruciformer | "Good coders code. Great coders steal" |
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| 19:36.52 | durcyn | Coren{de}: you're probably better off hooking AddMessage on the chat frame instead of modifying the actual message |
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| 19:38.14 | joau | ah great, lots of people here |
| 19:38.15 | Cruciformer | Not sure exactly what you are trying to do overall Corren but if you want a chat mod that does almost every possible useful thing you can to chat messages, look at Prat 3.0 |
| 19:38.16 | joau | hello :) |
| 19:38.43 | Cruciformer | may save yourself re-inventing the wheel |
| 19:38.47 | Coren{de} | well, I'm trying to get *away* from hooking AddMessage :) I know that I can color it any way I want manually, but I want to stop copying half of MessageEventHandler into my code :D |
| 19:39.01 | Cruciformer | hello joau |
| 19:39.13 | ArrowmasterClass | Coren{de}: you cannot edit what is going to end up between the |H and |h or it will completely break |
| 19:39.17 | joau | question: I have a Frame and I would like to close it with escape, just like the Quest Log or the Character frames; how do I do this? (handling OnKeyDown only closes my frame and not the others, plus it blocks keys for all the other frames) |
| 19:39.50 | Cruciformer | Insert your frame name into UISpecialFrames |
| 19:39.59 | Coren{de} | Arrowmaster, one can replace arg2 and arg11 with other stuff in a filter, I know I can put in *anything* but escapes, but I want that :D |
| 19:40.00 | joau | Cruciformer: let me try that, thanks! |
| 19:40.10 | Shirik | ~weather KDAB |
| 19:40.11 | Cruciformer | joau: Specifically, tinsert (UISpecialFrames, framename) |
| 19:40.53 | Wobin | ~weather YSSY |
| 19:41.18 | Wobin | nice weather, shirik |
| 19:41.31 | Shirik | nah |
| 19:41.35 | Shirik | needs to be closer to 90 |
| 19:41.49 | Wobin | meh, 29 degrees is fine |
| 19:41.54 | joau | Cruciformer: doesn't seem to work |
| 19:42.15 | Dewin | -~weather needs to understand city names. |
| 19:42.15 | Cruciformer | it sure does you must be doing something wrong |
| 19:42.18 | Shirik | Dewin: It's pulling it from airports |
| 19:42.27 | Cruciformer | I use it all the time :) |
| 19:42.31 | Shirik | standard METAR data |
| 19:42.35 | Dewin | Shirik: Yeah, but you can't ~weather Hell and see it freezing over (as it does often enough, being located in Michigan) |
| 19:42.47 | mikma | rofl |
| 19:42.51 | Wobin | ~weather hell |
| 19:42.54 | joau | Cruciformer: ah wait, I added a reference to the frame itself an not the name ^^ |
| 19:42.54 | mikma | Iron council down in 10man, 3 secs to enrage |
| 19:42.57 | Dashkal | ~weather CYVR |
| 19:43.01 | Wobin | aw, that would be good |
| 19:43.04 | Shirik | You could have it start giving raw METAR data instead |
| 19:43.06 | Shirik | would you rather have that? |
| 19:43.07 | mikma | 9man, cause healer died at the start |
| 19:43.21 | Dewin | I'm not kidding. :-p Another channel I used to frequent had a bot that would do that. |
| 19:43.21 | Shirik | KDAB 241853Z 07009KT 10SM FEW050 29/16 A3030 RMK AO2 SLP259 T02890161 |
| 19:43.31 | durcyn | ~metar KAUS |
| 19:43.40 | joau | Cruciformer: works like a charm :) this is exactly what I wanted, thanks a lot |
| 19:43.40 | Shirik | !!! |
| 19:43.43 | Shirik | loves purl |
| 19:43.52 | Dagmar | ...and that would be why metar isn't as commonly used |
| 19:43.52 | Dewin | Since I am not a meteorologist, I'd rather not have the METAR. : |
| 19:43.56 | Cruciformer | you're welcome |
| 19:43.59 | Shirik | Dagmar: It's used all over the place |
| 19:44.06 | Wobin | ~metar yssy |
| 19:44.09 | Dagmar | Not by "normal people" |
| 19:44.10 | durcyn | technically it's the ICAO codes though |
| 19:44.13 | durcyn | to be pedantic |
| 19:44.19 | Wobin | woo, cavok |
| 19:44.24 | Dewin | Though I can read *some* of tat. 241911Z is time GMT ("Z" for "Zulu") for instance. |
| 19:44.35 | Shirik | Dagmar: I go to an aeronautical school :) |
| 19:44.45 | Shirik | Written libraries to parse it in the past |
| 19:44.51 | Dashkal | ~metar CYVR |
| 19:44.52 | Shirik | I have more knowledge of it than I'd like to have :( |
| 19:45.02 | Shirik | I'm impressed by purl though, it understands a lot of the "non-data" in it |
| 19:45.08 | Wobin | what's CAVOK? |
| 19:45.13 | joau | now I'm trying to have a ScrollFrame working properly, are there any good pointers on this? the wowwiki page is a stub. btw, the contents is just a SimpleHTML |
| 19:45.32 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/chicken_burger.jpg |
| 19:45.47 | Shirik | Wobin: Clear skies with unlimited visibility |
| 19:45.52 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom, mikma |
| 19:45.59 | Wobin | Shirik: shiny |
| 19:46.07 | Shirik | no, actually, shiny would reduce visibility |
| 19:46.11 | Shirik | quite clear, in fact |
| 19:46.13 | Lopeppeppy | ~weather kalb |
| 19:46.23 | Cruciformer | joau: try www.wowprogramming.com it may have better info. ScrollFrames are pretty simple though. |
| 19:46.25 | Shirik | ~metar kalb |
| 19:46.30 | Shirik | See here's what I'm impressed by |
| 19:46.50 | Shirik | blah, albany doesn't have any good data |
| 19:46.50 | Shirik | nm |
| 19:47.02 | Shirik | Anyway, purl picks up a lot of data in the "comments" section |
| 19:47.06 | Shirik | and parses it |
| 19:47.11 | Shirik | which technically is non-standard |
| 19:47.12 | Wobin | purl is a smart girl |
| 19:47.20 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, Albany doesn't have anything, that's pretty correct. :) For being a state capital, it sucks. |
| 19:47.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it has bars! |
| 19:47.42 | Cruciformer | Not quite as much as Sacramento sucks tho. |
| 19:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | at least, last time i was there it did. |
| 19:47.43 | Lopeppeppy | ... maybe. |
| 19:47.52 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, you've visited, NHTS! |
| 19:47.56 | Dewin | Probably has more than the Albany that's close to me |
| 19:48.06 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I live way north of there, it's just my closest airport. So I really have nothing. :) |
| 19:48.08 | Dewin | on the other side of the country |
| 19:48.09 | Wobin | ah, ceiling and visibility OK |
| 19:48.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: like seven years ago, yes. :P |
| 19:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, forever ago |
| 19:48.51 | Shirik | Wobin: A lot of the "how" they came up with the acronyms is voo-doo |
| 19:49.02 | Lunessa | Sacramento is a strange burg. |
| 19:49.05 | Wobin | Shirik: that's true for a lot of acronyms |
| 19:49.09 | Shirik | personally I find it better to translate it into what it really means than trying to translate into what the acronym is :P |
| 19:49.35 | mikma | ~meh |
| 19:49.37 | purl | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase |
| 19:49.51 | Dewin | Wobin: You mean like People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms? |
| 19:50.01 | mikma | ~mgeary |
| 19:50.02 | purl | mgeary is, like, Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 19:50.11 | Cruciformer | I love that the OED officially added "doh" |
| 19:50.17 | Shirik | really? |
| 19:50.28 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly |
| 19:50.29 | Cruciformer | yup. they found a reference to it dating back to the 1930's |
| 19:50.29 | Wobin | ~oed doh |
| 19:50.32 | Lopeppeppy | Makes me vomit a little. |
| 19:50.38 | Wobin | aw |
| 19:50.42 | NeoTron | doh |
| 19:50.44 | Shirik | ~dict doh |
| 19:50.45 | mikma | ~d'oh |
| 19:50.46 | purl | (_8(|) |
| 19:50.54 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:50.59 | Shirik | fail |
| 19:51.01 | durcyn | ~wtf DOH |
| 19:51.06 | mikma | hey look, it's homer |
| 19:51.11 | Dashkal | ~dict meh |
| 19:51.17 | Dashkal | aww |
| 19:51.18 | Dewin | 1930s? I see the first reference being 1952. |
| 19:51.24 | Cruciformer | they also added "bling" which does distress me a little. |
| 19:51.30 | durcyn | something tells me OED's little excursions into slang haven't made it into dictd yet |
| 19:51.34 | mikma | bling bling |
| 19:51.44 | Dewin | http://wilk4.com/humor/doh.htm |
| 19:51.45 | mikma | ~pimp my ride |
| 19:51.55 | Shirik | ~dict bling |
| 19:52.00 | mikma | ~pimp |
| 19:52.00 | purl | i guess pimp is see jameswf |
| 19:52.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:52.02 | Dewin | better source: http://oed.com/newsletters/2001-06/doh.html#doh |
| 19:52.42 | Cruciformer | Dewin: I read an article where they were talking about adding it to teh OED, and they cited some reference inteh 1930's. Don't know if that made it into the final tho (the reference research may not have panned out). Plus the 3rd edition of th OED is still yet to be comkplete, sadly. |
| 19:52.45 | mikma | purl: no, pimp is <action> adds more Wunder-Baums |
| 19:52.46 | purl | okay, mikma |
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| 19:53.24 | Dewin | ah. |
| 19:53.35 | Wobin | heh 'annoyed grunt' |
| 19:53.36 | amro | ~pimp mikma |
| 19:54.58 | Coren{de} | Yo, Prat simple throws the original message away and formats its own... back to the drawing board. ~ |
| 19:56.51 | Lunessa | Emalon - the mother of all VoA QQ. |
| 19:57.29 | mikma | http://www.animosityguild.com/news_pics/iron10.jpg |
| 19:57.38 | mikma | see "Bani" run! (is meeeeeee!) |
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| 19:57.43 | amro | Lunessa: dare I say emolon? |
| 19:57.50 | mikma | also notice my *cough* kite from cairenn |
| 19:57.52 | Lunessa | QQ |
| 19:58.05 | Cruciformer | Dewin: http://www.oed.com/newsletters/2002-03/doh.html ... that was all I could find at a glance. That cites some stuff back in the 40s, with teh possibility of adding references from Laurel and Hardy films from even earlier. |
| 19:58.32 | Dewin | oh, they updated it. The earlier version of that link was http://oed.com/newsletters/2001-06/doh.html#doh |
| 19:58.52 | Lunessa | Pew Pew Laz0rs! |
| 19:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | Kite doesn't show in the picture, mikma |
| 20:00.40 | mikma | lopeppeppy: but the string is there :D |
| 20:00.40 | Dewin | I don't mind Emalon. Last time we downed him on 25-man all of his drops were useful :) |
| 20:00.50 | Dewin | of course, I'm the guild loot whore at the moment. >.> |
| 20:01.14 | Dewin | I can't help it if I've won 40% of the Ulduar drops because I'm the only one rolling or the other people rolling insist on passing to me. |
| 20:01.18 | Lunessa | I was putting together a VoA run (25) last night after WG - and the amount of E-peen waving and QQ was ungodly - even before we got started. with 4 healers in the group (2 druids, a priest, and a paladin) I was getting QQ from the healers that we needed at LEAST 2 more and at LEAST a 4th tank and if we weren't doing Emalon first we were wasting their time. /facepalm |
| 20:01.35 | durcyn | ...4 tanks for emalon, what |
| 20:01.50 | Dewin | Lunessa: Emalon's fine with 3 tanks. I can understand wanting to do Emalon first |
| 20:02.09 | Dewin | if you get saved by killing Archavon and then the group fails at Emalon, you're stuck with that group and can't attempt Emalon later. |
| 20:02.53 | Adys | emalon is fine with 2 tanks |
| 20:02.53 | Dagmar | I can't wait to see what kind of snobbery this starts in Wintergrasp |
| 20:02.55 | Lunessa | Me too. What I couldn't understand was people telling me "We don't care about anyone but ourselves, and you must structure the raid the way we want, or f-u." |
| 20:02.59 | Cruciformer | I absolutely love that you are now warned that you will be picking up s raid ID andhave an opportunity to leave. |
| 20:03.02 | Dewin | Adys: In 25-man? |
| 20:03.09 | Adys | yeah |
| 20:03.13 | Dewin | well, I suppose it could be. |
| 20:03.21 | Adys | as long as they got decent gear |
| 20:03.22 | Adys | np |
| 20:03.26 | Dewin | We use 3 and split the adds into two groups. |
| 20:03.42 | Dewin | can't remember why we did it that way now |
| 20:03.51 | Adys | because people couldnt target shit |
| 20:03.58 | Adys | V-targeting is the best way |
| 20:04.08 | Dewin | Speaking of nameplates |
| 20:04.09 | Adys | until blizz adds some red-enrage thingy |
| 20:04.13 | Dewin | Is there an option to change the distance they show at? |
| 20:04.17 | Adys | no |
| 20:04.25 | NeoTron | seriously, half the people doing Archavon aren't good enough for heroics |
| 20:04.26 | Lunessa | All I can say is... Before we got started, I invited those who wanted to run things to do so, and get the hell off my vent server. |
| 20:04.36 | Lunessa | Then I ran a 10-man. |
| 20:04.48 | Dewin | And Adys: There's actually an advantage to dual tanking the adds. Each tank can target one of their adds and focus the other and be able to see instantly which one is raged. |
| 20:05.00 | Adys | so? |
| 20:05.00 | NeoTron | a guidly ran a pug VoA (archavon kill) on an alt and there were 2 mages around 750 dps, and at least 5-6 dps below 1500 |
| 20:05.08 | Adys | it doesnt matter if the rest of the raid cant see it instantly |
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| 20:05.27 | amro | Dewin: at the same time, you have 1 less dps |
| 20:05.33 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Those two mages were broken--the other isn't exactly unthinkable for new level 80s |
| 20:05.34 | amro | the adds hit very hard, just put 3 healers on the OT |
| 20:05.41 | NeoTron | when they suggested going to emelon next, he left |
| 20:05.48 | NeoTron | Dagmar: not broken, just amazingly bad |
| 20:05.58 | Dagmar | No, 750 dps at 80 is broken |
| 20:06.02 | NeoTron | no |
| 20:06.05 | NeoTron | it's bad players |
| 20:06.13 | Dagmar | THey're doing something stupid like wanding or failing to allocate any talent points or SOMETHING |
| 20:06.13 | Adys | 750 dps was broken at lvl 60 |
| 20:06.15 | amro | it's fire mages casting arcane missiles |
| 20:06.15 | NeoTron | the kind that hit one spell and then ponder for 5 seconds what to hit next |
| 20:06.28 | Adys | no |
| 20:06.28 | Dewin | It's easy for mage DPS to be atrocious on Archavon if they have bad luck, but 750 DPS is just plain bad. |
| 20:06.36 | NeoTron | Dagmar: which is not "broken" but "bad players" |
| 20:06.52 | Dewin | I'm finding that my arcane mage tends to get knockdowned or stunned or silenced every time missile barrage procs and I start casting. |
| 20:06.54 | Adys | its totally broken |
| 20:06.54 | Dagmar | They're not just bad, they're broken |
| 20:06.59 | Adys | you cant be bad and do 750 dps |
| 20:07.03 | Adys | antarnis does more dps than that |
| 20:07.08 | amro | rofl. |
| 20:07.08 | Dewin | Adys: Pull out wand, /afk? |
| 20:07.11 | NeoTron | you haven't then done much with really bad players |
| 20:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | My sucky holy paladin does more than that. |
| 20:07.15 | Adys | WANDING does more dps than that |
| 20:07.26 | Adys | I hit for 600-1200 with wand |
| 20:07.28 | Adys | without buffs |
| 20:07.38 | Wobin | so, how have they changed VoA? |
| 20:07.39 | Dagmar | I don't play a mage, but my gf does. I shelled out 700g on new gear and enchants to get her from 1700 to 1900 DPS |
| 20:07.42 | NeoTron | again your definition seems to mean that they are broken. they aren't but they are amazingly bad. there's nothing wrong except the player |
| 20:07.58 | jaxdahl | Wobin, there's an extra wing with another boss |
| 20:08.03 | Dagmar | A level 80 mage hitting 750 doesn't need to be in a raid, they need to be doing some one-on-one time with a grown-up to figure out what the hell theyr'e doing wrong |
| 20:08.10 | NeoTron | even untalented and rather green, you can do 750 DPS 'm sure |
| 20:08.20 | Dewin | I switched from FFB to Arcane when dual specs hit, I'm loving it. |
| 20:08.25 | Adys | you |
| 20:08.26 | Wobin | my hunter can do 750 dps facing the other way |
| 20:08.26 | Adys | dont |
| 20:08.27 | Dagmar | You can spam frost bolt and get higher than that |
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| 20:08.29 | Adys | do 750 dps |
| 20:08.36 | Adys | without TRYING to be that bad |
| 20:08.45 | NeoTron | Dagmar: of course. I just object to the word "broken" since that implies that it's not the players fault |
| 20:08.45 | Dagmar | Something that low, they're not "bad" they're flat out doing a lot of something else that *isn't* what they should be doing |
| 20:08.46 | Adys | they were afk or not doing ANYTHING at all |
| 20:08.47 | amro | like using icelance. once every 10 seconds |
| 20:08.48 | Wobin | or not knowing how to play |
| 20:08.50 | Dewin | And now I'm full-time arcane, since I dropped the FFB spec for Frost... which makes the adds on deconstructor a joke btw. |
| 20:09.02 | NeoTron | example of truly bad player |
| 20:09.03 | Dagmar | NeoTron: You've read the forums |
| 20:09.03 | Adys | if they are under 1k dps just kick |
| 20:09.06 | Adys | dont even hesitate |
| 20:09.08 | Wobin | maybe next time check recount to see just what they're doing? |
| 20:09.12 | Dagmar | You know what kind of impossibly stupid advice gets handed out there |
| 20:09.13 | Adys | i dont kick bad players, i kick people trying to fuck the raid up |
| 20:09.15 | NeoTron | a warlock someone knew (affliction) that put up dots... and then stood there waiting to reply |
| 20:09.30 | NeoTron | when asked why he didn't use shadow bolts inbetween the answer was that it used too much mana |
| 20:09.30 | Dagmar | ...and lets not even get into the mental damage that's spread through /2 |
| 20:09.38 | Wobin | oh yes |
| 20:09.41 | Wobin | I've had one of those |
| 20:09.56 | Dagmar | NeoTron: So see, they're not necessarily bad, but they are hideously misinformed |
| 20:10.02 | Wobin | it was a -terrible- mara run |
| 20:10.03 | NeoTron | Adys: it was a pug. he wasn't the leader |
| 20:10.14 | Wobin | not a -single- shadowbolt |
| 20:10.16 | NeoTron | Dagmar: no, actually, that's bad |
| 20:10.17 | amro | there's the problem |
| 20:10.21 | amro | don't do pugs if you're not leading :) |
| 20:10.25 | Dewin | I'm one of those people that leaves trade on all the time because I'd rather filter with my brain (which can occasionally pick up good pieces of info amongst the sea of bad) than the client (which can't.) |
| 20:10.27 | amro | (or someone you know and trust) |
| 20:10.29 | NeoTron | I don't do pugs at all |
| 20:10.41 | Dagmar | NeoTron: No, _bad_ is when they say "Because I don't like that spell" or "I just bought this character on ebay" |
| 20:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | "This is your brain on PUGS, any questions?" |
| 20:10.54 | Dewin | What I do is pug alot and friend the good people, then build groups from my friend list |
| 20:11.00 | Dagmar | There's a lot of people who just don't grok that there's certain things you need to do as fast as you can do them |
| 20:11.01 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 20:11.07 | Wobin | er, what dewin said |
| 20:11.32 | Dagmar | ...and there's people who know they should be doing things as quick as they can, but they've been "informed" about the wrong things to be doing |
| 20:11.33 | Wobin | Dagmar: DKs who don't understand what a rotation is =( |
| 20:11.34 | Adys | was doing 40man pugs pre bc, weekly leading mc/bwl etc |
| 20:11.38 | Dewin | Also, the fact that my wife and I are both competent players and one of us is usually a tank or healer helps stop the group from falling apart. |
| 20:11.39 | NeoTron | Dagmar: bad is not knowing how to play your class too |
| 20:11.49 | Dagmar | Wobin: Players who believe there's a "rotation" |
| 20:12.06 | Dagmar | NeoTron: One of these problems is much more fixable than the others |
| 20:12.17 | Wobin | Dagmar: there sure can be for DKs =) |
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| 20:12.30 | NeoTron | the "didn't use shadow bolt" problem wasn't fixed. guy insisted on not using SB's due to the mana use |
| 20:12.36 | NeoTron | so which oen is easier to fix exactly? |
| 20:12.41 | Wobin | one of the benefits of non mana/non rage based tanking/dps |
| 20:12.43 | Lunessa | Bah, use a priority driven model - I need this effect on the boss, and I need it more than that effect so it dictates which ability I use when. :P |
| 20:12.43 | Dewin | My guild leader asked to me to talk to one of our other mages to figure out why his DPS was so bad. |
| 20:12.57 | Dagmar | NeoTron: provided they can do simple math, just showing them that it's the damage:mana ratio that matters *should* straighten that guy out |
| 20:12.58 | Dewin | Turns out, he took a fireball spec and was trying to play it as if it was frostfire. |
| 20:12.59 | Wobin | Lunessa: hunters have started to switch to that now |
| 20:13.03 | NeoTron | Dagmar: lol |
| 20:13.11 | Wobin | prepatch, it was all zomg shot macro |
| 20:13.17 | Wobin | now it's more shot priority |
| 20:13.18 | NeoTron | Dagmar: do you REALLY expect people that don't use filler spells to know or even care about the math? |
| 20:13.27 | Lunessa | Wobin: Good, I'm sick of hunters asking me to write them an loldps macro |
| 20:13.32 | Dagmar | I expect them to be able to do simple math |
| 20:13.33 | Wobin | Lunessa: agreed |
| 20:13.35 | Dewin | Wobin: I don't like the hunter priority system, at least not for my current spec. |
| 20:13.49 | Wobin | which spec? |
| 20:13.53 | NeoTron | Dagmar: then your expectations are too high |
| 20:14.00 | Dewin | Survival with the aimed shot option. |
| 20:14.16 | Wobin | what's wrong with the priority system for that spec? |
| 20:14.18 | Dagmar | Dewin: I don't much care for hte whack-a-mole approach either |
| 20:14.31 | NeoTron | Dagmar: a very minority of players actually do any kind of theory crafting. most just go with something they think is the best |
| 20:14.31 | Moleculor | What? |
| 20:14.34 | Moleculor | Who's whacking me? |
| 20:14.38 | Dewin | RF > SS > BA > ES > AS > SS is a fairly long list of priorities, and that's not factoring in trinkets, pet abilities, etc. |
| 20:14.52 | Wobin | true |
| 20:15.00 | NeoTron | even in a high end raiding guild, which went as far as killing M'uru there were players that didn't know and/or didn't care about such things |
| 20:15.00 | Wobin | but you can macro trinkets and rf and the like |
| 20:15.07 | Dewin | Then again, it's not as bad as feral cat DPS, which actually has an ADDON to tell you what ability to use next. |
| 20:15.07 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Believe me I know. Usually you can spot them using words like "terribad" and so forth |
| 20:15.13 | Dagmar | "To the floor" is another giveaway |
| 20:15.54 | Wobin | Dewin: I find the priority system more of a suggestion |
| 20:16.03 | Wobin | as to "What you should aim to get out in what order" |
| 20:16.15 | Wobin | you're not likely to ever get the perfect order of shot |
| 20:16.19 | Dewin | My problem is tracking a bajillion cooldowns + procs all at once. |
| 20:16.21 | Wobin | due to environmental |
| 20:16.26 | Dagmar | For sure a rotation is easier, but you have to ask yourself what *else* you could be doing aside from mashing a button over and over |
| 20:16.35 | Dewin | An addon that told me the next cooldown that'd be up from a list would be nice |
| 20:16.53 | Wobin | Dewin: kharthas hunter timers covers most of the cooldowns |
| 20:17.04 | Wobin | and then power auras is good for a visual notification |
| 20:17.04 | Dewin | I think it's why I like arcane mage so much, the rotation is simple the difficulty is on a more long-term level like managing mana, etc. |
| 20:17.20 | Dagmar | When things go nuts, I am generally shooting based on priorities, but outside of that I say "f**k multi shot" and just smack that button so I can pay attention to the mobs instead of a bunch of countdown timers |
| 20:17.30 | Wobin | I have power auras for stings/lnl/traps etc |
| 20:17.43 | Dagmar | Power Auras is wintastic |
| 20:17.43 | Wobin | Dagmar: which is how it should be really |
| 20:18.05 | Dewin | I'm trying to figure out why I've seen screenshots of Macaroon doing the "Your target has this debuff" highlight, but mine doesn't seem to do it. |
| 20:18.07 | Dagmar | I'm trying to get some strings working for hte bloody tournaments |
| 20:18.21 | Wobin | hunters, despite being ranged dps still have to have envionmental awareness |
| 20:18.26 | Dagmar | Dewin: That's probably because Macaroon's job is something else |
| 20:18.44 | Dewin | Dagmar: I understand that, but I've seen screenshots from Maul even showing that ability, but can't figure out how to get it. |
| 20:18.50 | Dewin | And addons I've installed that should add it didn't. |
| 20:18.58 | Wobin | and if you're dpsing, and avoiding standing in crap, you're doing it right =) |
| 20:19.02 | Dagmar | You might be typoing the debuff name |
| 20:19.10 | Dewin | Dagmar: That's not what I mean. |
| 20:19.11 | Wobin | and if your priorty has to suffer for that, that's fine |
| 20:19.29 | Wobin | Dagmar: oh god yes |
| 20:19.31 | Dewin | There's an ability some bar addons have, where... if your current target has Serpent Sting on, your Serpent Sting button will have a green border around it. |
| 20:19.41 | Dagmar | Wobin: I firmly stopped giving a crap about mutlishot when I figured out it only affects the overall result by about 4-6% |
| 20:19.41 | Wobin | Dagmar: I'm sick of staring at my bar to check for defend stacks |
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| 20:19.59 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yep. That's what I want PA to be reminding me of |
| 20:20.27 | Wobin | also I hate it when the game spins you around camerawise after charging |
| 20:20.34 | Dagmar | Heck I've got it helping me out with several things on the DK just because I'm hellishly forgetful about using RP abilities |
| 20:20.51 | Dewin | Wobin: I've got better. In the middle of SOA my camera broke so it would only let me see the character from the side. |
| 20:20.55 | Wobin | well that's where a rotation can help |
| 20:21.00 | Dagmar | I got tired of getting to the end of fights with full runic power |
| 20:21.09 | Wobin | most rotations include a runedump |
| 20:21.32 | Wobin | and runic regeneration is so regular, rotations work well for the mechanic |
| 20:22.00 | Dagmar | I'm seldom doing fights that you can use a rotation on with my DK |
| 20:22.09 | Wobin | no boss fights? |
| 20:22.25 | Dagmar | Boss fights amount to what percent of all fights? |
| 20:22.40 | Wobin | well, no aoe packs> |
| 20:22.44 | Wobin | ? |
| 20:22.56 | Dewin | Trash doesn't matter. Well, in Ulduar it does, but the trash in Ulduar is long enough to make a boss fight rotation useful anyways. |
| 20:23.01 | Wobin | any fight that lasts longer than a ffew seconds can use a rotation =) |
| 20:23.01 | Dagmar | There was only so many times it'd come time to refresh diseases and the mob I was focusing on would fraeking die on me |
| 20:23.30 | Dagmar | A rotation goes right out the window at times like that |
| 20:23.30 | Wobin | that's when you toss in pestilence and move to the next mob |
| 20:24.09 | Dagmar | You woudn't happen to know if the nasty rumor I heard about unholy's third disease no longer counting for Death Strike's heal is true or not would you? |
| 20:24.18 | Wobin | I believe it does count |
| 20:24.22 | Wobin | at least from what I've rread |
| 20:24.38 | Wobin | actually, I've heard confllicting stories |
| 20:24.41 | Dagmar | I was hearing people say it was a stealth nerf, but then again, those people were probably clueless |
| 20:24.43 | Wobin | but I've not got an unholy spec to test |
| 20:24.44 | Dagmar | I've just not had time to check it out |
| 20:25.14 | Dagmar | I muffed up that last free respec, and have now determined for sure that I need that perma-ghoul for PvE |
| 20:25.14 | Wobin | well, according to GC, the max is 15% |
| 20:25.22 | Dagmar | GC? |
| 20:25.26 | Wobin | ghostcrawler |
| 20:25.38 | Wobin | and DS with 0 diseases don't appear to heal anything |
| 20:25.42 | foxlit | garbage collector, clearly! |
| 20:25.53 | Wobin | so unless it's terribly bugged... |
| 20:26.23 | Dagmar | Ugh. I see his posts. |
| 20:26.31 | Dagmar | I think they're going to have to admit it's just buggy as hell |
| 20:26.47 | Wobin | hehe the third disease has always been buggy =P |
| 20:27.01 | Dewin | the third disease is a flea infestation? |
| 20:27.02 | Wobin | hvae they fixxed the one where only one DK on the mob can have the third disease? |
| 20:27.10 | Wobin | Ebon Plague |
| 20:27.11 | Dagmar | Well, since i turned on some of the scrolling spam text, I've seen it not heal me at ALL more than once |
| 20:27.12 | NeoTron | I enjoy Ulduar trash. not too much, and requiring some strategy |
| 20:27.23 | Wobin | Dagmar: possibly without diseases? |
| 20:27.30 | NeoTron | Wobin: yes that is fixed |
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| 20:27.31 | Dagmar | Wobin: Nope, definitely not |
| 20:27.42 | Wobin | Dagmar: odd |
| 20:27.46 | Dewin | NeoTron: I agree, except i hate the giants outside Ignis as a caster. |
| 20:27.59 | Dagmar | I'll swing twice, not get any heals on the first hit (actual hit, not a miss) and then swing again and get heals |
| 20:27.59 | Wobin | NeoTron: thank god =P that irritated me to no end as an unholy tank, levelling |
| 20:28.27 | Dagmar | It was driving me batty because as Unholy you're really dependent on that heal |
| 20:28.27 | Wobin | "zomg stop stealing my disease slot!" |
| 20:28.29 | NeoTron | yah it was annoying as UH tank |
| 20:28.47 | NeoTron | my threat isn't great (relatively speaking) so losing a disease didn't help |
| 20:29.02 | Wobin | frost tanking threat is so much simpler |
| 20:29.24 | Wobin | especially now with the HB glyph |
| 20:29.34 | Dagmar | WHen I muffed up this last time I got the bloodworms but missed the perma ghoul |
| 20:29.48 | NeoTron | I play UH because I like it but also because of Ebon Plague |
| 20:29.51 | Dagmar | Very, very irritating spec |
| 20:30.08 | NeoTron | and I think I've decided I do want to get IUH for UH DPS spec |
| 20:30.10 | Wobin | Dagmar: hehe, I've only been using my ghoul (for tank spec) as a health source |
| 20:30.12 | Dagmar | Recounts showing slightly over a 3:1 damage to heal ratio |
| 20:30.18 | NeoTron | mainly because the hardest fights in Ulduar do require movement |
| 20:30.23 | Dagmar | Like, too much regen, not enough pew pew |
| 20:30.44 | Wobin | I always forget to summon the ghoul for dps |
| 20:30.48 | Wobin | as blood dps |
| 20:30.54 | Dagmar | I'm used to using a pet to round up mobs |
| 20:31.07 | Dagmar | I feel like i'm missing a thumb when I hit those thumb buttons and nothing happens |
| 20:33.14 | Wobin | I <3 CE |
| 20:33.21 | Wobin | the boom is so much fun |
| 20:33.41 | Dagmar | I'm glad creating chain reactions didn't get fixed |
| 20:33.50 | Wobin | especially on speed CoS runs |
| 20:33.58 | Dagmar | Wheee! |
| 20:34.17 | Wobin | point for point |
| 20:34.26 | Wobin | it's the most entertaining rune dump ability we have =) |
| 20:34.47 | Dagmar | The only thing I'd change would be to make it create more gibbets |
| 20:34.58 | Wobin | maybe spatter the screen =) |
| 20:35.08 | Wobin | woo how's that for an addon idea? =) |
| 20:35.20 | Dagmar | Exploding half a wing of SM at once should make a much bigger mess than it does |
| 20:35.24 | NightHawkTheSane | spaghetti cupcakes! http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/04/24/on-top-of-spaghetti-all-covered-in |
| 20:36.12 | Wobin | oh god |
| 20:36.19 | Wobin | that's -alll- vanilla icing? |
| 20:36.33 | Dagmar | *drool* |
| 20:36.36 | Arrowmaster | i need poison recomendations for killing a cat |
| 20:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | well, presumably there's the actual cake part of the cupcake under there somewhere |
| 20:36.57 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: ?? |
| 20:37.06 | Arrowmaster | stray cat |
| 20:37.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ... take it to a vet and have it put down? |
| 20:37.30 | Arrowmaster | well formerly neighbours house cat, now stray cat |
| 20:37.30 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Call animal control. Don't poison the thing. You heartless sob - and I say that with love. |
| 20:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | or what Lunessa said |
| 20:37.49 | Dagmar | ANimal control |
| 20:37.52 | Arrowmaster | the fucking thing climbs up and sits on peoples cars |
| 20:37.58 | Arrowmaster | if i ever find it on mine i will kill it |
| 20:38.06 | Dagmar | Call 'em and tell them *whose* cat it is, too. |
| 20:38.15 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: cover your car with talcum powder =P |
| 20:38.25 | Dagmar | If you're lucky, they'll chase the owners down and ticket them for animal abandonment |
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| 20:38.55 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: so you're an asshole in real life too. good to know |
| 20:39.22 | Arrowmaster | the damn thing is using our flowerbeds as a litter box too |
| 20:39.43 | Dagmar | Nah, he's just helping you feed the flars |
| 20:39.57 | Arrowmaster | no its killing them |
| 20:40.14 | Arrowmaster | nothing will grow there anymore |
| 20:40.15 | Dagmar | So they can't handle overeating. ;) |
| 20:40.32 | Dagmar | There's stuff to clip onto your plants that'll stop that |
| 20:40.48 | Dagmar | Or hang a bird feeder near it |
| 20:40.52 | Arrowmaster | tried putting stuff in the flowerbed, it just kicked them out |
| 20:41.17 | Pytlask | Arrowmaster: Just sprinkle pepper near flowers. Keeps both dogs and cats away without harming plants |
| 20:41.26 | Pytlask | And DON'T hurt the cat |
| 20:41.57 | Arrowmaster | like i said, if i ever find it on my car i will |
| 20:42.19 | Dagmar | More than likely you'll spend a half hour in a futile chase |
| 20:42.35 | Arrowmaster | i have a crossbow |
| 20:42.46 | Dagmar | Good luck explaining that one to the police and animal control |
| 20:42.50 | Wobin | you don't want to hit your car with that =P |
| 20:42.58 | theorbtwo | Exactly. |
| 20:43.13 | theorbtwo | I very much doubt the cat will hurt your car. |
| 20:43.21 | theorbtwo | A crossbow, on the other hand, almost certianly will. |
| 20:43.29 | Arrowmaster | it scratched up somebody elses car on the street |
| 20:43.58 | theorbtwo | That surprises me a bit. Normally, they just like to rest on warm hoods. |
| 20:43.58 | Dagmar | It's kinda doubtful it scratched more than the dirt |
| 20:44.11 | Dagmar | Paint is a *bit* harder than cat claws |
| 20:44.19 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Unless it had a soft top. |
| 20:44.26 | Wobin | or the cat is Wolverine |
| 20:44.49 | Arrowmaster | it was the car hood, but it got covered in scratches |
| 20:45.21 | nicoli_s | whats with all the kittie hate? |
| 20:45.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: there are so many things wrong with that statement. :P |
| 20:45.40 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 20:46.22 | Arrowmaster | the fucking thing also eats the fish out of our pond, theres no reason for me not to hate it |
| 20:46.45 | theorbtwo | purl: arrowmaster is also hates the homeless |
| 20:46.46 | purl | theorbtwo: okay |
| 20:46.46 | nicoli_s | cuz im sure its cute |
| 20:46.57 | Dagmar | Generally cats don't use their claws on a surface where they won't get any purchase |
| 20:47.13 | Dagmar | Maybe thsy shouldn't come out swinging their fists at the cat when it's sitting on their hood |
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| 20:48.15 | nicoli_s | you just need to go and buy lots of exotic snakes to get rid of the cat |
| 20:48.24 | nicoli_s | and then eventually something bigger to get rid of the snakes |
| 20:48.36 | Arrowmaster | that or a bear trap |
| 20:48.42 | nicoli_s | and then eventually a mininuke to get rid of whatever the hell eats exotic snakes |
| 20:49.19 | Dagmar | Well, there's a black cat in my condoplex that's been on my car several times this year |
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| 20:49.37 | Dagmar | No scratches, and all I have to do to get him off is talk to him |
| 20:50.18 | Nechckn | Maybe go to work for a phone sex line =) |
| 20:50.57 | Nechckn | Sorry... usually start with the most recent msg and then read up. Your message, by itself was quite amusing. |
| 20:51.41 | Dagmar | Seriously tho, cat's don't generally claw up cars. They know their claws won't help on a smooth surface. |
| 20:51.55 | Nechckn | true |
| 20:52.03 | Dagmar | They've got to be fleeing or chasing something to get mixed up about that, and usually it's fleeing the car owner who has just created their own problem |
| 20:55.00 | NightHawkTheSane | http://lookatthisfuckinghipster.tumblr.com |
| 20:59.22 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: wow |
| 20:59.25 | Adys | http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/37jsqloFrmexrd42AwEjW1Sso1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1240693153&Signature=EAFtv379Was2bGDzpjFppTKg%2BLI%3D |
| 20:59.34 | Adys | er yea screw long urls |
| 20:59.40 | Adys | and anyone using java |
| 20:59.45 | joau | anyone has a minute to help me with some issues with ScrollFrames? (pvt me please) |
| 20:59.53 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane lol... that is one scary site!! |
| 21:00.47 | joau | ~ping |
| 21:00.48 | purl | ~pong |
| 21:00.56 | joau | ~ScrollFrame |
| 21:00.58 | joau | :) |
| 21:01.23 | Adys | joau: youll have more luck just asking your question here |
| 21:01.53 | joau | alright |
| 21:02.27 | joau | so I have a ScrollFrame inheriting from HybridScrollFrameTemplate, which includes a Slider and another Frame as the ScrollChild |
| 21:02.49 | joau | and the view of the child is alright, if I invoke ScrollFrameThing:SetVerticalScroll(x) it updates alright |
| 21:02.59 | joau | problem is, the slides doesn't have anything to slide :D |
| 21:03.07 | joau | so I'm missing something |
| 21:03.25 | joau | clues? :) |
| 21:03.58 | joau | I meant, the Slider doesn't have the box to scroll up and down, and the arrows are always disabled |
| 21:04.47 | Adys | its been a while since i used scrollframes but you need to explicitely make the slider a slider of the scrollframe |
| 21:04.49 | joau | I'm having a look at the AchievementsUI which uses this thingy, but it's kinda unreadable for me yet |
| 21:04.53 | Adys | (its got one builtin no?) |
| 21:05.27 | joau | the Slider is declared in the xml ui within ScrollFrame/Frames |
| 21:05.40 | joau | like... <ScrollFrame> ... <Frames> <Slider> ... |
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| 21:05.59 | Adys | uhh2 |
| 21:06.00 | joau | and it inherits from HybridScrollBarTemplate |
| 21:06.19 | Adys | isnt the SF supposed to have a slider child or something similar |
| 21:06.23 | Adys | (its been a while) |
| 21:06.37 | joau | don't know, but Blizzard code has it like this |
| 21:07.11 | Adys | you should have a look at other addons using this kind of SFs |
| 21:07.14 | Adys | blizzard code can be uh |
| 21:07.15 | Adys | yeah. |
| 21:07.23 | joau | right :) |
| 21:09.04 | joau | blizzard code looks like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112998 |
| 21:09.23 | joau | I also have a <ScrollChild> within the <ScrollFrame> with my own frame inside |
| 21:09.43 | joau | my issue is just how to enable the slider, and make it update the scrollframe |
| 21:09.46 | Lunessa | ... I'm not nice - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474242986&sid=1 |
| 21:10.24 | NightHawkTheSane | and thats why we like you |
| 21:10.42 | Adys | joau: I cant help more than that without guessing |
| 21:11.41 | joau | regarding the guy without a hand, I found out I can use my left-hand with a clit-mouse quite well, so he could give that a try |
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| 21:13.13 | Lunessa | bwahahaha |
| 21:13.32 | Lunessa | joau: that typo is WIN |
| 21:13.51 | Adys | yeah |
| 21:14.17 | Nechckn | oh.my. |
| 21:14.27 | Nechckn | That's better than the cat on the car! |
| 21:14.36 | joau | hehe |
| 21:14.51 | joau | I was being honest there :) nice catch though |
| 21:14.59 | joau | but quite obvious now that I read it again ^^ |
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| 21:15.26 | kneeki|a | Woo! |
| 21:15.32 | kneeki|a | I havn't used mIRC in ages! |
| 21:15.33 | mikma | poor fellow |
| 21:15.35 | joau | after reading this shit I'll never complain about C++ again |
| 21:15.39 | Adys | lucky you |
| 21:15.41 | mikma | writes with his left hand |
| 21:15.46 | Adys | now throw it away, and use xchat |
| 21:16.06 | kneeki|a | Adys: what's wrong with mIRC? |
| 21:16.24 | Adys | it's disturbingly wrong in every way |
| 21:16.42 | kneeki | eh? I used to use it exclusivly like 10 yrs ago way back when |
| 21:16.53 | Adys | no really its a horrible irc client |
| 21:16.58 | kneeki | Even used to script in it |
| 21:16.59 | Nechckn | well, it hasn't changed much in that time. ehhehee |
| 21:17.02 | Adys | yeah. |
| 21:17.05 | kneeki | lol |
| 21:17.07 | Nechckn | I like it, though. |
| 21:17.11 | Adys | fail. |
| 21:17.16 | Nechckn | more from comfort level than anything else. |
| 21:17.19 | Dagmar | Someone shoudl ahve just killed Khaled to save the planet |
| 21:17.37 | Nechckn | damn! |
| 21:17.38 | Dagmar | It was more tolerable when you could send 40 bytes to "ban" those damn windows users |
| 21:19.27 | joau | I haven't been in IRC like for 7 years now... |
| 21:19.40 | joau | it completely died in europe after MSN messenger, which sucks so hard |
| 21:19.56 | joau | but for technical stuff, freenode is quite cool |
| 21:20.06 | theorbtwo | joau: Really? It did? |
| 21:20.20 | theorbtwo | is in Europe, and was unaware he was chatting on a dead medium. |
| 21:20.33 | Adys | wasn't aware theorbtwo's mom was a medium |
| 21:20.44 | kneeki | is loving the nostalga |
| 21:20.45 | joau | theorbtwo I don't know about you, but when I was in highschool some 8 years ago everyone used IRC |
| 21:20.53 | Dagmar | IRC didn't die |
| 21:20.59 | Adys | IRC is timeless |
| 21:21.05 | Nechckn | Underground, baby! |
| 21:21.06 | joau | but nowadays it's completely empty, all the kids use myspace and messenger |
| 21:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | GOOD. |
| 21:21.15 | Nechckn | woo.. feeling all uber hipster now |
| 21:21.16 | Dagmar | joau: Less dead wood |
| 21:21.18 | kneeki | good! |
| 21:21.19 | kneeki | lol |
| 21:21.20 | Adys | good |
| 21:21.21 | joau | yea underground hehe |
| 21:21.35 | Dagmar | I used to feel like a bull in a china shop on the rare occasion someone would get me to come to Dalnet |
| 21:21.41 | Adys | petitions to rename myspace into theirspace |
| 21:21.46 | joau | anyway, I loved IRC for the ease of meeting people, msn sucks big time |
| 21:21.48 | Dagmar | I'd blink wrong and somehow wind up with control of a channel |
| 21:22.04 | theorbtwo | Normal people in my little culture never used IRC. |
| 21:22.11 | theorbtwo | AIM was big in my HS. |
| 21:22.17 | Adys | ew |
| 21:22.36 | joau | never met anyone (from my non-online life, that is) that used AIM |
| 21:22.40 | joau | some used ICQ |
| 21:23.01 | durcyn | IM services seem to be regional phenomena |
| 21:23.08 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 21:23.18 | Adys | never met anyone who used AIM, ever |
| 21:23.20 | Adys | online or offline |
| 21:23.32 | Adys | theorbtwo: I dont know you. |
| 21:23.55 | theorbtwo | Adys: likewise. |
| 21:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | I still use AIM >.> |
| 21:24.04 | Dewin | Me too. |
| 21:24.06 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: i dont know you |
| 21:24.08 | theorbtwo | My mother talks to me on AIM. That's pretty much it. |
| 21:24.14 | Adys | Dewin either. get out, all of you |
| 21:24.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i talk to most of my friends on AIM. |
| 21:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | a couple use MSN.. |
| 21:24.29 | Dewin | Well |
| 21:24.32 | Dewin | Technically I use pidgin |
| 21:24.38 | Dewin | but 90% of my contacts are AIM |
| 21:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yes |
| 21:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | -everyone- here uses MSN |
| 21:24.51 | Dewin | And I also use it as an irc client. |
| 21:24.56 | Adys | I keep msn up for a couple of people |
| 21:24.56 | joau | ok I found something regarding the scrollframe. I have to SetMinMaxValues() on the Slider before it works, and then I have to SetValue(0) to initialize so that the sliding box appears, and then I have to listen for events and forward to the scrollframe. The buttons on the scrollbar also have to be enabled/disabled likewise, when the slider is at the min or max values |
| 21:24.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i actually -use- AdiumX, and stay logged in to msn, aim, icq, yahoo, gtalk... |
| 21:25.00 | Adys | whom i told to use gtalk |
| 21:25.22 | Lunessa | Hey - no ragging on AIM - that was my baby. |
| 21:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but about 80% of the people on my IM use AIM, the rest use mostly MSN |
| 21:25.34 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: Your baby? |
| 21:25.42 | joau | asks: who works as a programmer/developer/coder here? |
| 21:25.46 | Lunessa | I was on the development team for AIM |
| 21:25.48 | NightHawkTheSane | he birthed it from his womb. |
| 21:25.48 | Dewin | I do. |
| 21:25.54 | Adys | I do joau |
| 21:25.59 | joau | eh neat :) |
| 21:26.02 | Dewin | I'm supposedly doing work right now, actually. |
| 21:26.07 | Nechckn | Lunessa get outta town, really? |
| 21:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to wager a large number of people here are developers. |
| 21:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: same, actually >.> and i'm behind schedule. bleh |
| 21:26.37 | Dewin | NHTS: My boss wants this feature added to our code by May 15th, and hasn't given me the goahead to start the actual development yet. >.> |
| 21:26.48 | Lunessa | Nechckn: Yeah. AOL from 94 - 99. AIM, client-patching, Usenet gateway/reader, Integration of browsers, all that shit. |
| 21:27.13 | durcyn | Lunessa: so you're the one responsible for Eternal September, eh. |
| 21:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: >< speak of the devil, right as i type that i get an email saying the release date for this project got bumped up. |
| 21:27.20 | Nechckn | That is funky, seriously. |
| 21:27.29 | Lunessa | durcyn: I have no clue what you mean by thatg. |
| 21:27.41 | durcyn | ~wiki Eternal September |
| 21:27.54 | durcyn | blah. |
| 21:28.07 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html |
| 21:28.23 | durcyn | anyway, usenet sucked in september when new college kids found it and used it badly. aol turning its entire userbase loose on usenet, however... |
| 21:28.33 | Lunessa | durcyn: '95/96 for me really. |
| 21:28.57 | durcyn | Lunessa: sure sure, duck responsibility =P |
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| 21:29.11 | Dewin | durcyn: I miss rec.games.roguelike.nethack. |
| 21:29.20 | Lunessa | Hey, I helped design, code and test our binary decoder... |
| 21:29.28 | Dewin | got to post a YAFAP. |
| 21:29.54 | Lunessa | I'm sure you can find crap in archives that I posted, but I'm not naming names. :P |
| 21:31.12 | Nechckn | Hrm.. sounds damning... |
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| 21:31.44 | Nechckn | Some of those NSFW pics you posted back in the day? |
| 21:31.56 | Nechckn | Of... "your friend" |
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| 21:33.21 | DWSR | How do I start grinding Hodir rep? |
| 21:33.36 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: Cool. I was on the team that reverse-engeneered it. (Well, kind of. Mostly, I hung around.) |
| 21:33.40 | Lunessa | Nechckn: Negative. Some of the e-mail and usenet postings I made for testers are still archived. Including more than one angry person who didn't like something we were doing, or was mad that I didn't make them a tester. |
| 21:33.57 | Nechckn | bah.. no fun! |
| 21:33.59 | Lunessa | DWSR: Go to K2 and do the gboblin quests. |
| 21:34.06 | Nechckn | I was getting all interested, too. |
| 21:34.12 | Nechckn | =P |
| 21:34.17 | DWSR | FAIL\ |
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| 21:34.20 | DWSR | FLAIL AND STUFFS. |
| 21:34.22 | Lunessa | Nechckn: I never posted a naked picture of myself, I swear. |
| 21:34.35 | Dagmar | Uh... The K3 goblins are Steamwheeldle or os I thought |
| 21:34.40 | Nechckn | I never have... for seriously. |
| 21:34.47 | Adys | they arent Dagmar |
| 21:34.56 | theorbtwo | I never have. Publicly. |
| 21:35.01 | Dagmar | You have to talk to the giant blue women who lead you to Hodir rep afaik |
| 21:35.09 | Tuller | so, anyone have any experience working with the armory addon? |
| 21:35.17 | Tuller | i'm debating if I want to write a bagnondb wrapper for it |
| 21:35.27 | Nechckn | Only if you tell us if you have ever posted a NSFW pic of yourself, Tuller |
| 21:35.50 | Nechckn | Then, I'll still tell you that I don't, but it will be fun to know, all the same. |
| 21:37.37 | Nechckn | sniffles. Fine. Now fun, meany. |
| 21:38.17 | joau | IRC public bashing never gets old |
| 21:38.21 | Nechckn | Now I demand to know of eveeryone that comes to our forums for help, that will be question 1. |
| 21:38.59 | Nechckn | I don't want like links or anything.. ./shivers . Just to know. |
| 21:40.31 | Nechckn | That would be a good WoWAce forums question, imnsho. |
| 21:42.09 | mikma | how can i reverse texture? to go the other way? SetTexCoord? |
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| 21:46.10 | Tuller | yes |
| 21:46.32 | Tuller | there's also a rotate texture function now, too, if I recall |
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| 21:51.08 | ScytheBlade1 | .. wow. Orange Box for $10USD on Steam. |
| 21:52.27 | Lunessa | If you start at k3 - the quest line leads you to the blue women who will lead you to Hodir. |
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| 21:57.57 | Shirik | hm |
| 21:58.04 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 21:58.05 | Shirik | there's something a bit odd about calling an IDE a "Development Version" |
| 21:58.21 | nevcairiel | maybe its a development version of the ide? |
| 21:58.26 | Shirik | it is |
| 21:58.32 | Shirik | but it just sounds strange |
| 21:58.41 | nevcairiel | how would you call it? |
| 21:58.56 | Shirik | Pre-release? |
| 21:58.57 | Shirik | maybe |
| 21:59.15 | Shirik | or just call it by its version, 6.7M3 |
| 22:00.27 | Shirik | oh dear |
| 22:00.37 | Shirik | "Development Version" might be a bit ... aggressive |
| 22:00.45 | Shirik | more like "dead version" |
| 22:00.55 | Shirik | com.sun.tools.javac.util.MissingPlatformError: Fatal Error: Unable to find package java.lang in classpath or bootclasspath |
| 22:00.57 | Shirik | That's pretty broken |
| 22:01.21 | nevcairiel | use something stable, imho =) |
| 22:01.29 | Shirik | I want this stupid bug fixed :( |
| 22:01.40 | Shirik | And they already said they won't fix it until the next version (hell, it's already fixed, they just won't backport it) |
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| 22:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: out of idle curiosity, what bug? |
| 22:08.08 | Shirik | bug in Netbeans when using @inheritDoc in your javadocs -- Netbeans fails to check the inherited documentation for @throws and complains about any exceptions that may be thrown, saying that they are "missing @throws tag for exception <whatever>" |
| 22:08.08 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x52Q3u_1T6I :O |
| 22:08.23 | amro | Adys, Bibi: ^ |
| 22:08.42 | Adys | meh |
| 22:08.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, that is pretty obnoxious |
| 22:08.51 | nevcairiel | I am still not sure i like java IDEs crying about missing docs |
| 22:09.03 | NightHawkTheSane | more than the "pulls tasks out of files in .svn directories" bug. >< |
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| 22:10.23 | Shirik | why not, nevcairiel ? |
| 22:10.34 | Shirik | I mean, you can turn it off |
| 22:10.44 | Shirik | though I would disagree with doing that |
| 22:11.57 | Dashkal | I just wish I could turn it on only for certain packages in the project. I really don't care about the crappy docs in portions of the codebase that I'm not responsible for |
| 22:12.40 | nevcairiel | I would rather have a second button that throws all the doc erros in my face, rathern then pestering me while i'm coding and testing changes |
| 22:13.31 | Dashkal | Eh, I write my method' doc before the body. Generally not an issue. |
| 22:13.34 | Dashkal | method's |
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| 22:15.44 | amro | nevcairiel: netbeans complains about missing docs? |
| 22:15.47 | nevcairiel | I guess i just don't work like that. i think in code, and trying to write down all arguments and all exceptions before i wrote the body is not something i generally do =P |
| 22:16.03 | Shirik | amro: yes it does |
| 22:16.09 | nevcairiel | doesnt the java compiler by itself do that already? <.< |
| 22:16.11 | Shirik | I'm not sure if it defaults to on or if I turned it on |
| 22:16.15 | amro | Shirik: by default? |
| 22:16.21 | krka | writing docs first sucks. writing code first sucks. writing tests first rocks! |
| 22:16.21 | amro | well then it's probably off by default |
| 22:16.25 | amro | at least in the version I used |
| 22:16.30 | Shirik | loves krka |
| 22:16.40 | Dashkal | Eh, writing tests first doesn't work so well when you're writing UI code |
| 22:16.51 | Dashkal | But even then. I'd write docs, then tests, then code |
| 22:16.53 | amro | UI unit testing! |
| 22:17.01 | krka | i admit i usually skip tests for ui |
| 22:17.02 | Shirik | requirements -> tests -> design -> docs -> implementation -> testing! |
| 22:17.07 | Shirik | me too :( |
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| 22:17.16 | Dashkal | unit tests before design makes no sense whatsoever to me |
| 22:17.20 | krka | ui is hard to test, and easy to verify manually |
| 22:17.30 | Dashkal | I need to know what it's supposed to do before I can write a test to confirm it |
| 22:17.30 | Shirik | Dashkal: Then you aren't very familiar with the V process model |
| 22:17.33 | krka | writing unit tests _is_ designing |
| 22:17.41 | Shirik | Dashkal: That's called requirements |
| 22:17.41 | krka | the design becomes apparent if you write tests properly |
| 22:17.42 | Shirik | not design |
| 22:17.51 | Shirik | The requirements specify what the product does |
| 22:17.54 | Shirik | The design specifies how it does it |
| 22:18.12 | krka | V process model? does it involve lizards and spaceships? |
| 22:18.12 | Shirik | Requirements testing should not be dependent upon design |
| 22:18.24 | Dashkal | I can write acceptance tests at the requirements level (or I could with a UI testing framework), but I can't write unit tests at that level |
| 22:18.34 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Model |
| 22:18.40 | krka | no, but it is usually dependant on the external api atleast |
| 22:18.51 | Dashkal | ahh, not a model I've been introduced to |
| 22:18.57 | krka | loves Mockito |
| 22:19.17 | Dashkal | I work with iterative prototyping. |
| 22:19.55 | Shirik | I use crystal clear mostly |
| 22:20.09 | Dashkal | Testing is (sadly) very rare since I'm almost exclusively writing UI code. All the easily testable stuff is server-side, which is not my area |
| 22:20.11 | krka | i dont know the V-model very well, but it seems like you could apply it to iterative development too, for each small story |
| 22:20.18 | Shirik | You can |
| 22:20.23 | Shirik | In fact that's what Crystal Clear does |
| 22:20.42 | Shirik | If I had to sum it up, I'd basically just call it an iterative V process, but it's a bit more than that really |
| 22:21.10 | Dashkal | Joys of writing a simultaneously thick and dumb client, I suppose. |
| 22:21.20 | Dashkal | (it's not quite the contradiction it seems) |
| 22:21.55 | krka | YOU are a thick and dumb client |
| 22:23.41 | Shirik | o.O |
| 22:23.49 | Shirik | netbeans just let me put a breakpoint on a field of a class |
| 22:23.54 | Shirik | and called it a "field breakpoint" |
| 22:24.25 | Shirik | apparently it can break every time a field is accessed or modified.... |
| 22:24.32 | Shirik | I wish I had known this a long time ago |
| 22:24.35 | amro | Shirik: that is full of win |
| 22:24.45 | Dashkal | :p |
| 22:24.57 | Dashkal | I love that kind of breakpoint. Forget what eclipse calls it |
| 22:25.15 | Shirik | It's almost as awesome as "^(?:([^_\\-]+?)[\\-_](.*))|(?:([^A-Za-z]*?[^a-z][a-z]+)([^a-z].*))|(?:(.+))$" |
| 22:25.24 | krka | oh i didnt know eclipse had it |
| 22:25.29 | krka | it has watch expressions though |
| 22:26.24 | krka | that's the coolest smiley i've ever seen! |
| 22:26.56 | krka | starts with someone being both happy and scarred or something |
| 22:27.09 | Shirik | scarred? |
| 22:27.14 | Shirik | The ^_\\ ? |
| 22:28.03 | Shirik | you know, looking back at that regex, I have to say |
| 22:28.06 | Shirik | I have no idea how I came up with it |
| 22:28.09 | Shirik | I must have been drunk |
| 22:28.27 | Dashkal | I can't read regex. What does it do? |
| 22:28.43 | Shirik | It's how I look to see if an addon might be a subcomponent of another addon |
| 22:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | if you say so |
| 22:29.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i can normally read regex, but that gives me a headache. |
| 22:29.28 | krka | 1) you have a problem. 2) you make a regexp for it. 3) you have two problems |
| 22:29.58 | Shirik | you want a headache, NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:30.15 | Dewin | Shirik: Don't you know that regexps are write-only code? |
| 22:30.25 | Dashkal | That's about how I treat them |
| 22:30.29 | Shirik | glhf NightHawkTheSane : http://ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 22:30.33 | krka | i prefer PEG, they are far more readable |
| 22:30.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: seen it. |
| 22:30.36 | Dashkal | And every one gets a block comment above it describing exactl ywhat it's for |
| 22:31.01 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.03 | Dashkal | ew. |
| 22:31.05 | Dashkal | just ew. |
| 22:31.08 | Shirik | rofl NeoTron |
| 22:31.30 | NeoTron | I think I'll actually go and write a magicdkp importer as an as quick as possible hack |
| 22:31.51 | Dashkal | There comes a point where the performance gain had better be DAMN good... *shudder* |
| 22:32.04 | Shirik | NeoTron: that's something I have to do too |
| 22:32.05 | NeoTron | nice thing is it doesn't need any stupid logic. like how ctrt tries to figure out what belongs to an event and stuff |
| 22:32.10 | Shirik | well, I have to make a CTRT exporter |
| 22:32.20 | Shirik | Funny thing is, there is no valid schema for CTRT |
| 22:32.23 | Shirik | you can't write one |
| 22:32.33 | NeoTron | the magic dkp format is structured in a sane fashion that actually models the data |
| 22:33.09 | NeoTron | and it has an xsd schema |
| 22:34.25 | NeoTron | oh yeah this is awesomesauce |
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| 22:34.37 | NeoTron | I tested some stuff on the ctrt importer in simulate mode |
| 22:34.43 | NeoTron | I think it actually inserted some stuff despite that |
| 22:36.58 | NightHawkTheSane | quick, mime time for pdfs, go! |
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| 22:38.00 | Arrowmaster | % grep "pdf" /etc/mime.types |
| 22:38.00 | Arrowmaster | application/pdf pdf |
| 22:38.30 | Shirik | What's % ? |
| 22:38.34 | NeoTron | Shirik: btw the CTRT format is also really stupid |
| 22:38.35 | Arrowmaster | zsh |
| 22:38.37 | NightHawkTheSane | his prompt, presumably |
| 22:38.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont have that file, Arrowmaster , but i found it in google, thanks though :) |
| 22:38.55 | Arrowmaster | not all of it, it ends in % like most bash prompts end in $ |
| 22:39.06 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck can you not hve /etc/mime.types |
| 22:39.14 | NightHawkTheSane | osx? |
| 22:39.17 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 22:39.26 | krka | i have /etc/mime.types too! |
| 22:39.42 | Arrowmaster | i dont really expect osx to have any standard nix stuff |
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| 22:40.10 | Dagmar | A virus leaves it behind on the machine. |
| 22:40.23 | NightHawkTheSane | it's got a lot of it, but yeah, it doesn't have some things |
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| 22:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | hates her cable modem |
| 22:41.32 | Shirik | C:\Users\delbu9c1>type /etc/mime.types |
| 22:41.32 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:41.41 | Dagmar | heh |
| 22:42.08 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 22:42.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, shirik. I fuxxored it a bit moving stuff to pack around it. |
| 22:42.58 | Shirik | :/ |
| 22:43.00 | Shirik | moving? |
| 22:43.31 | Lopeppeppy | Later in the summer, but today is the first wicked nice day, so I have the windows open and I'm "pre-cleaning" in the computer room. (= tossing junk out) |
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| 22:50.50 | Maldivia | Best... Item.... Ever.... http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34097 |
| 22:52.32 | Dagmar | Sweet! |
| 22:53.08 | Maldivia | the eu armory apparently has ALL items loaded |
| 22:53.50 | Osagasu | Dayum |
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| 22:55.40 | mikma | that's... legendary item. |
| 22:56.04 | Maldivia | early versions of frostmourne is there, crafty's pole is there etc |
| 22:56.59 | mikma | linky linky frostmourne |
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| 22:58.05 | Maldivia | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=33475 and http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=36942 |
| 22:58.26 | Maldivia | "best in slot" for a DK tank: http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=34096 ? :) |
| 22:58.32 | mikma | hail to the king, baby |
| 22:58.43 | Arrowmaster | they are fucking with dataminers |
| 22:58.46 | Arrowmaster | view source |
| 22:59.04 | Adys | Arrowmaster: replace info by tooltip |
| 22:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | martin thunder |
| 22:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=192 |
| 22:59.19 | Arrowmaster | good call |
| 22:59.31 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: most if the items linked are internal test items, hence the "hi to dataminers" etc messages |
| 23:00.52 | Mr_Rabies | there was one |
| 23:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | that was like |
| 23:00.58 | Mr_Rabies | DO NOT USE IT IS CURSED |
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| 23:02.17 | mikma | how can i collect gas clouds in wow? |
| 23:02.27 | Mags | Zapthrottles Mote Extractor |
| 23:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | engineering item |
| 23:03.14 | Maldivia | and val'anyr... don't really know what to think if the stats |
| 23:03.16 | Mags | I'm trying to modify SlamAlert (addon) so that it will also alert me of Sudden Death procs (warrior) - but straight copy/pasting the function call that alerts and changing the spell name doesnt work. |
| 23:03.16 | mikma | thanks mags |
| 23:03.29 | Mags | Anyone know? |
| 23:05.19 | mikma | mags: you have the buffname wrong |
| 23:05.40 | Mags | O.o no - I double checked it |
| 23:05.57 | Mags | The buff is called Sudden Death |
| 23:06.14 | mikma | UnitBuff("player","Sudden Death") |
| 23:06.35 | mikma | let's see now... |
| 23:06.55 | Mags | Slam Alert is using a Parse function - if type == "SPELL_AURA_APPLIED") then ... |
| 23:07.12 | Mags | local _,spellName,_ = select(9, ...) |
| 23:07.29 | Mags | if spellName = "Sudden Death" then --Call alert function end |
| 23:07.55 | Mags | Is the index of the select function wrong? I know Lua, just not familiar with the WoW syntax or API |
| 23:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | pastey.net |
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| 23:10.58 | NeoTron | sweet I fixed the simulate error in CTRT importer. did you know that $this->_ctrt_settings is not the same as $ctrt_settings? :P |
| 23:13.54 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.43 | Mags | i dunno |
| 23:14.49 | NeoTron | mikma: curious why it wasn't: local spellName = select(10, ...) ? :P |
| 23:14.56 | mikma | neotron: exactly |
| 23:15.18 | NeoTron | smells like cut'n'paste without understanding what the code does |
| 23:15.43 | Mags | I'm very new to WoW Lua, lol i've only tinkered here and there with scripts |
| 23:15.47 | mikma | mags: if spellName == "Sudden Death" then |
| 23:15.51 | mikma | that might work better |
| 23:15.54 | Tuller | hrm, so initial thoughts is that I dislike the armory addon code |
| 23:16.07 | Mags | Tried that |
| 23:16.19 | Mags | all you have to do to refresh addons is do a /reload, right? |
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| 23:16.53 | NeoTron | mikma: but spellName == ... is not locale safe |
| 23:17.00 | NeoTron | spell id is where it's at |
| 23:17.15 | NeoTron | Mags: if you 1) didn't add new files, 2) didn't change the toc |
| 23:17.21 | NeoTron | if you did 1 or 2 then you need to restart |
| 23:17.21 | Dagmar | If people didn't learn to speak English they've only got themselves to blame. |
| 23:17.48 | mikma | neotron: yeah but i'm assuming he's using english client |
| 23:17.49 | Mags | I'm not planning on releasing this, and I'm just using this for myself and sending it to a guildy |
| 23:18.12 | Mags | ugh, work damn you |
| 23:18.41 | mikma | when does sudden death proc? |
| 23:18.42 | mikma | in combat? |
| 23:18.44 | Mags | yeah |
| 23:18.46 | Mags | Chance on Hit |
| 23:19.13 | Mags | It's the same with Slam! but Slam! procs off of MS, HS or Whirlwind |
| 23:19.13 | mikma | mags: http://mikma.pastey.net/113009 |
| 23:19.24 | mikma | i use addon like that which i run from Hack |
| 23:19.36 | mikma | that displays me huge icons on screen when those events happen |
| 23:20.05 | Mags | all i need is a text pop up |
| 23:20.08 | Mags | dont need an icon to click |
| 23:20.45 | mikma | click? |
| 23:20.52 | mikma | did i say that :D |
| 23:21.09 | Mags | I implied |
| 23:21.26 | mikma | you shouldn't have, cause it'll just display icons |
| 23:21.34 | mikma | but anyway the code to detect buffs is there |
| 23:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | vaguely amusing: http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1099; |
| 23:22.01 | Mags | GetTalentInfo(3,25) - arguments (treeIndex, talentIndex) ? |
| 23:23.17 | mikma | ya |
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| 23:23.49 | Arrowmaster | dataminer running |
| 23:25.08 | Mags | What |
| 23:25.10 | Mags | woops |
| 23:25.15 | Mags | What's the first argument of select()? |
| 23:25.29 | Arrowmaster | !api select |
| 23:25.30 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'select' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-select |
| 23:25.52 | mikma | first argument is value? |
| 23:26.08 | Mags | ? |
| 23:26.18 | Mags | So if Sudden Death is talentIndex 27, in the first tree |
| 23:26.28 | mikma | is it? |
| 23:26.36 | Mags | if (select(?, GetTalentInfo(1, 27)) then ... |
| 23:26.43 | mikma | ... no |
| 23:26.51 | mikma | or well |
| 23:26.58 | mikma | maybe, greatly depends what you are doing ;) |
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| 23:27.14 | Mags | I just wanna know wtf select() does |
| 23:27.15 | mikma | the the code i linked, i just use that to check that the talent is there |
| 23:27.16 | Mags | lol |
| 23:27.39 | Mags | Oh, if it's spec'd into? |
| 23:27.47 | alestane | Mags: select() cuts off the first n things from the rest of the list. |
| 23:27.48 | mikma | yes |
| 23:28.06 | Mags | >.< |
| 23:28.12 | Mags | All I'm trying to do is detect if I have a buff |
| 23:29.02 | alestane | Well, UnitBuff returns a whole list of things, so select might be used to cut the things you don't need off the front of the list. |
| 23:29.40 | Mags | so UnitBuff returns the table of buffs you have? |
| 23:29.43 | mikma | UnitAura("player","Horn of Winter") |
| 23:29.53 | mikma | that one returns 1 if you have Horn of Winter, nil if you don't. |
| 23:30.02 | Mags | What's the different between UnitBuff and UnitAura? |
| 23:30.07 | mikma | well, it returns alot of stuff :D |
| 23:30.13 | alestane | UnitBuff returns several different things about one buff. |
| 23:30.14 | Mags | UnitAura effects multiple people? |
| 23:30.23 | Shirik | affects* and no |
| 23:30.48 | mikma | ./spew UnitAura("player","Dreadsteed") |
| 23:30.49 | mikma | [02:30:23] UnitAura("player","Dreadsteed") => "Dreadsteed", "Summon", "Interface\Icons\Ability_Mount_Dreadsteed", 0, nil, 0, 0, "player", nil |
| 23:30.53 | mikma | without mount... |
| 23:30.59 | Shirik | wtf is /spew |
| 23:31.01 | mikma | [02:30:46] UnitAura("player","Dreadsteed") => nil |
| 23:31.16 | NightHawkTheSane | like /dump, but tekkub flavored |
| 23:31.17 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10349-Spew.html |
| 23:31.23 | Shirik | so tastes like bacon? |
| 23:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | a bit, yes. |
| 23:31.43 | Mags | Oh so I see |
| 23:31.54 | Mags | UnitAura is the table of things about the buff |
| 23:32.06 | Mags | Then you select() which thing you want, in my case, the active status |
| 23:32.10 | Arrowmaster | its not a table |
| 23:32.18 | mikma | mags: you don't need to select anything |
| 23:32.30 | mikma | if you have the buff on, it will return data. |
| 23:32.40 | Mags | ok |
| 23:32.42 | mikma | if you don't have the buff, it won't return anything (nil) |
| 23:32.58 | mikma | so, if UnitAura("player","Sudden Death") then print("poop") end |
| 23:33.27 | Mags | So if UnitAura("player", "Sudden Death") then --Alert for whatever? end |
| 23:33.32 | Adys | Shefki: that was fast |
| 23:33.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/24/9566851.aspx |
| 23:33.37 | Shefki | Adys: ? |
| 23:33.40 | Adys | peggleoff |
| 23:33.51 | Shefki | It's not hard to write chat filters now. |
| 23:34.00 | Adys | just makes me grin |
| 23:34.25 | Dashkal | If anybody in the guild ever decides to use peggle for rolling I'm gonna laugh... I'm pretty good at that game |
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| 23:34.41 | Mags | That addon is win |
| 23:34.51 | Adys | AHAHAH |
| 23:34.53 | Adys | http://lookatthisfuckinghipster.tumblr.com/page/4 |
| 23:34.55 | Adys | âSome people say hip-hop is dead. We just do this to make sure.â |
| 23:34.59 | Shefki | I'm sure it's a cool game... and the guild spam wasn't annoying at first. |
| 23:35.22 | Shefki | But half my guild has discovered it and was spamming chat with that crap every few minutes. |
| 23:35.32 | Dashkal | That'll be turned off VERY quickly |
| 23:36.07 | Shefki | I kinda wonder if it doesn't violate the UI Policy becasue telling other people not running the addon to download it is pretty much the definition of advertising. |
| 23:36.41 | Shefki | Fortunately, I can just filter it and not worry about it. |
| 23:36.45 | Adys | Shefki: call me when blizz sues you |
| 23:36.53 | Shefki | Sues me for what? |
| 23:37.04 | Adys | violating the UI policy |
| 23:37.13 | Hirsute | Did Shefki write the addon? |
| 23:37.36 | Shefki | I didn't write Peggle no. |
| 23:37.50 | Shefki | I just wrote PeggleOff which filters the spam. |
| 23:38.03 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 23:38.14 | mikma | wha |
| 23:38.20 | Hirsute | Yeah, doesn't sound like your addon violates the new UI policy at all. |
| 23:38.21 | mikma | it tells you to install it? |
| 23:38.22 | NeoTron | so I just made a post saying we'd be changing from DKP to PSD - Peggle Skill Distribution |
| 23:39.05 | Hirsute | Blizz has clarified that they don't intend to take action against users running addons that violate that policy (beyond disabling the addon), so I can't imagine any suing happening. |
| 23:39.15 | Dagmar | How would you like to permanently have the highest Peggle score in your guild? |
| 23:39.17 | Shefki | "[Peggle]: Holyballin just scored 266,610 points on Dark Portal! Download the Peggle Addon for Wow to defeat their score!" |
| 23:39.22 | Adys | Hirsute: you should disable your SarcasmOff addon |
| 23:39.23 | Shefki | ^ Example of the spam. |
| 23:39.38 | Hirsute | Adys: Ooooh. Did that get turned on again? |
| 23:39.40 | Hirsute | Crap |
| 23:40.01 | Adys | Kalroth: TURN ME ON |
| 23:40.05 | Dagmar | Yeah, amazing how it's seldom just _one_ unacceptable behaviour things engage in |
| 23:40.35 | Shefki | Honestly let's face it Peggle is just an advert to get people hooked to buy it for their phone, PC, etc. |
| 23:40.47 | Shefki | And that's fine. |
| 23:40.48 | Adys | (soooo...?) |
| 23:40.49 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:41.00 | Shefki | But spamming my guild is going a tad too far IMHO. |
| 23:41.11 | Adys | theyll prolly end up taking it out |
| 23:41.19 | NeoTron | spamming guild + obfuscating code yeah |
| 23:41.25 | Adys | well |
| 23:41.28 | Adys | on their behalf |
| 23:41.36 | Adys | it was announced way before the UI policy rewrite |
| 23:41.46 | NeoTron | but released after? |
| 23:41.48 | Dagmar | I'm thinking maybe an addon that deliberately responds to those spams with a new phony score being transmitted which is ~5% higher than the one just reported |
| 23:42.09 | NeoTron | that would be quite funny |
| 23:42.10 | Shefki | I'm not trying to stir shit over this... |
| 23:42.20 | Shefki | I just took actions to stop it from annoying me. |
| 23:42.25 | Adys | yea |
| 23:42.32 | Adys | no one said you were stirring shit |
| 23:42.34 | Adys | thats my job |
| 23:42.44 | Adys | Kalroth: TURN ME ON |
| 23:43.11 | Shefki | Dagmar: That would quickly turn bad if multiple people started running it. |
| 23:43.20 | Adys | that would WIN |
| 23:44.27 | Trela | has already modified Peggle with a manual score entry box. <.< >.> |
| 23:45.03 | Shefki | Yeah if anyone ever tried to roll for loot with it I'm so cheating. |
| 23:45.31 | Adys | should be builtin imo! |
| 23:46.08 | Trela | It would be easy to make a macro to SendChatMessage with the appropriate information. |
| 23:46.19 | Shefki | That's my plan. |
| 23:46.29 | Shirik | bah |
| 23:46.31 | Shirik | stabs java |
| 23:46.38 | Adys | joins Shirik |
| 23:46.42 | Adys | ~lart php |
| 23:46.42 | purl | beats php over the head with a microkernel |
| 23:46.48 | Shirik | I create a constructor that all it does is throw an exception every time |
| 23:46.50 | Adys | ~whalenuke c# |
| 23:46.51 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around c# with his mind powers. |
| 23:47.00 | Adys | bad languages shall die |
| 23:47.02 | Shirik | and it's all like "hey you can't do that! You need to call the parent class's constructor!" |
| 23:47.04 | Trela | Shefki, do you need a cleaned code for Peggle? I have it fairly well cleaned that it is easier to follow. |
| 23:47.10 | Trela | *need cleaned |
| 23:47.13 | Shirik | And I'm like "Wtf you talking about I'm never going to have the object" |
| 23:47.17 | Shirik | and it's all like "nananana can't hear you" |
| 23:47.24 | Adys | Shirik: python > * |
| 23:47.29 | Shefki | Trela: Would have been nice when I was trying to figure out just what channels it can send crap to. |
| 23:47.39 | Shefki | But at this point I'm fairly comfortable I've got the spam filtered. |
| 23:49.07 | Shefki | I think this is the first time in like 5 years I've used dcc |
| 23:49.17 | Trela | I cleaned up a few of the main functions, but the the rest of the file could probably be automatically tabbed with a program. |
| 23:50.55 | Shefki | I'm still not sure what the raid warning is for. |
| 23:51.18 | Hirsute | ... It uses a raid warning? |
| 23:51.26 | Shefki | Yes. |
| 23:51.33 | Hirsute | ick. |
| 23:51.52 | Hirsute | Tangent time: My wife's guild leader really, really abuses raid warnings. |
| 23:52.29 | Shefki | "Peggle One-Shot Loot System Initialized for %s! Results released in 40 seconds. If you do not have the Peggle Addon, you're missing out!" |
| 23:52.37 | Shefki | Looks like another string to filter. |
| 23:53.30 | Hirsute | Shefki: Does AddMessageEventFilter allow you to filter outgoing messages, or does your addon just filter out the incoming spam? |
| 23:53.52 | Shefki | I'm just filtering the incoming. |
| 23:53.55 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 23:54.20 | Shefki | However, when I was tweaking my filter I just whispered it to myself and set it on CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 23:54.27 | Shefki | I'd see the outgoing but not the incoming. |
| 23:54.47 | Shefki | However I'm only filtering GUILD, PARTY and RAID |
| 23:54.47 | Arrowmaster | it filters out both, but only the local display, it wont stop messages from being sent |
| 23:54.48 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 23:55.01 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: The latter is what I was asking about. |
| 23:55.18 | Hirsute | I've actually used it with CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM to hide outgoing whispers |
| 23:55.20 | Shefki | Yeah definately doesn't stop it from sending out crap. Not my problem. |
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| 23:57.09 | Cloudwolf | woo 6000 dmg crit XD |
