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| 00:01.37 | Dashkal | ooo, the blues are being less guarded about a new 5 man: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/16474242031-needed-new-magisters-terrace-5-man.html |
| 00:01.50 | p3lim | is it possible to get the Bag and Slot number based on GetMouseFocus()? |
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| 00:21.35 | AbsolutRayne | I wish they would change weather in WoW. |
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| 00:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | Weather changes all the time in WoW, AbsolutRayne. |
| 00:21.53 | AbsolutRayne | Always found it amazingly stupid how it rains in one zone, and is sunny in the next one |
| 00:21.57 | AbsolutRayne | Not even 20 yard away |
| 00:22.13 | AbsolutRayne | yards* |
| 00:22.15 | airtonix | and that water leves in ponds never rise |
| 00:22.19 | airtonix | levels* |
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| 00:22.38 | dolseni | it does too rise |
| 00:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | I live in New England, that sort of weather is pretty common, AbsolutRayne. |
| 00:22.43 | dolseni | you just have to use a noggenfogger |
| 00:22.51 | airtonix | -_- |
| 00:24.18 | bleeter | rain should produce a haste debuff imo |
| 00:24.42 | dolseni | and make lightning do more damage |
| 00:25.00 | dolseni | and fire less |
| 00:25.11 | bleeter | and correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no weather inside instances? even if the instance has partial 'outside' areas |
| 00:25.21 | haste | lightning should hit additional targets! |
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| 00:25.40 | amro | rain should increase frost damage taken. by 200%. |
| 00:26.00 | bleeter | stacking debuff up to 200% |
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| 00:26.24 | bleeter | also.. hail stones |
| 00:26.32 | amro | hails stones. |
| 00:26.37 | dolseni | no, it shouldn't increase frost damage |
| 00:26.45 | theorbtwo | On the other hand, rain should limit fire damage. |
| 00:26.49 | dolseni | it should make all frost spells have an additional chance to freeze you |
| 00:26.53 | foxlit | Everybody knows that water blocks electricity |
| 00:27.18 | dolseni | ok, make it so lightning is more likely to hit you |
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| 00:27.43 | amro | dolseni: it wouldn't be an additional chance as there is no base change to freeze |
| 00:27.45 | theorbtwo | dolseni: Increase range, I'd say. |
| 00:27.57 | theorbtwo | amro: You can always have more then nothing! |
| 00:28.10 | dolseni | talented, some do |
| 00:28.37 | dolseni | unless they've changed em so much since i quit playing my mage |
| 00:29.19 | NeoTron | bleeter: aq might be the exception. I seem to recall there being occasional duststorms there |
| 00:29.27 | amro | there's also DKs that deal significant frost damage |
| 00:29.31 | bleeter | is Vern killable yet? |
| 00:29.50 | bleeter | *without exploits |
| 00:30.16 | bleeter | NeoTron: heh, fair call.. still.. dust never got in my eyes, never lost chance to hit ;) |
| 00:31.16 | foxlit | <3 hotfix notes |
| 00:31.18 | foxlit | "Psychic Horror will not properly disarm targets at all ranges." |
| 00:31.47 | kd3 | ya, I laughed at that one |
| 00:32.40 | theorbtwo | It makes perfect sense to write a list of bugs that have been fixed... so long as you are consistant. |
| 00:32.54 | kd3 | whee |
| 00:32.56 | kd3 | sense! |
| 00:33.05 | kd3 | "Players who are exalted with the Argent Crusade will no longer be able to complete the quest âContributin' To The Causeâ in the Argent Pavillion." |
| 00:33.19 | amro | But I want to contribute! |
| 00:33.20 | amro | :( |
| 00:35.23 | Cloudwolf | i wish they would make the faction debuffs for defeating fighters of a city |
| 00:35.40 | Cloudwolf | into like 1 buff that if you put your mouse over it it shows which factions you cant fight with individual timers |
| 00:35.54 | Cloudwolf | cus having 7 debuffs on my screen anoys me |
| 00:35.57 | kd3 | I just hit IB after I'm done and they all go away |
| 00:36.18 | Cloudwolf | ib? |
| 00:36.23 | kd3 | ice block |
| 00:36.29 | Cloudwolf | lol? |
| 00:36.37 | Cloudwolf | glitch? |
| 00:36.43 | Lukian | lmao... |
| 00:37.01 | Cloudwolf | or i could just be damn gullable |
| 00:38.18 | amro | you can IB bubble or die |
| 00:38.30 | amro | anyway, why would you want to fight them again? |
| 00:38.34 | Cloudwolf | i don't |
| 00:38.38 | Cloudwolf | i find the amount of buffs anoying |
| 00:38.52 | kd3 | I just use it to get rid of the debuffs. once I've done my 7 I destroy the lances |
| 00:38.53 | Cloudwolf | it fills up so much of my screen instead of just creating 1 buff that updates itself with new info |
| 00:40.13 | Cloudwolf | i wonder if some one could program that |
| 00:42.12 | amro | dynamic buffs have been missing since 1.0, and blizzard are aware |
| 00:42.22 | amro | they certainly wouldn't suddenly implement it for an event they put so little into |
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| 00:42.49 | Cloudwolf | it would make me happy though because its ugly having 7 debuffs on your screen for an hour... |
| 00:44.18 | amro | Cloudwolf: take off your gear, jump off a cliff, rezz, put your gear back on |
| 00:44.29 | amro | personally I like the debuffs |
| 00:44.44 | amro | off to bed, night |
| 00:44.44 | Cloudwolf | why do you like them? |
| 00:44.50 | Cloudwolf | gnight |
| 00:44.51 | amro | cause my debuff bar is usually empty |
| 00:44.55 | amro | makes for a nice change! |
| 00:51.05 | Arrowmaster | case "LibPeriodicTable-3.1" -- Public Domain |
| 00:51.14 | Arrowmaster | gee they cant even get their licenses right |
| 00:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ta! |
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| 01:08.23 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n12eKIQN1AU |
| 01:10.14 | kd3 | Cairenn, poke: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=130173&postcount=750 |
| 01:10.43 | Arrowmaster | thats just fucking wrong, im playing with wowmatrix memory dump again and found a reference to an addon that has been dead since TBC launch |
| 01:10.56 | bleeter | lol |
| 01:11.04 | Antiarc | haha |
| 01:11.12 | Arrowmaster | KeepItCool |
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| 01:15.38 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Probably at the resquest of people playing on "private servers" |
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| 01:21.52 | Wobin | wow |
| 01:22.11 | Wobin | that wowmatrix thread took a sudden turn off into surreality |
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| 01:22.44 | Wobin | "Rar rar wowmatrix cool, wowi/curse sux, rarar ara ararar. ZOMG FREE EVERYTHING! STAR TREK! PURPLE!" |
| 01:22.45 | Arrowmaster | which? |
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| 01:23.05 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473909654&sid=1 |
| 01:23.17 | Wobin | round about page 4 |
| 01:23.45 | Arrowmaster | kd3's last post is great |
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| 01:25.08 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I just like the ease of understanding HyperCard gave us when you were dumping the code =P |
| 01:25.25 | Wobin | It's written in a way nonprogrammers can look at and understand just what they were doing |
| 01:25.26 | Arrowmaster | haha so true |
| 01:25.34 | Arrowmaster | if it was in C most people wouldnt understand it |
| 01:25.38 | Wobin | saving us having to explain "Well this bit means they were changing..." |
| 01:26.13 | Wobin | I wonder how old the WM programmers are |
| 01:26.15 | airtonix | lulz "star trek purple" |
| 01:26.38 | Dagmar | I can appreciate the looney trolls |
| 01:26.38 | Wobin | Or where they're based maybe, if they just casually remove copyright notices |
| 01:27.03 | Hirsute | So... ZorbaGama: I'm assuming the redirecting of www.questhelper.com to WoWMatrix's page wasn't at your request, correct? |
| 01:27.25 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 01:27.29 | Arrowmaster | Hirsute: wowmatrix purchased www.questhelper.com from a domain squatter |
| 01:27.42 | Arrowmaster | the official site is www.quest-helper.com |
| 01:27.47 | Dagmar | Who's suprised by this qustionable tactic? |
| 01:27.51 | Dagmar | Show of hands |
| 01:28.09 | Dagmar | That's what I figured. |
| 01:28.09 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: I thought that was the case, but I'd heard indirectly about it, and was just wanting to verify my understanding. |
| 01:28.10 | Arrowmaster | i already posted it on the the 15+ page thread |
| 01:28.17 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: >< |
| 01:28.34 | Arrowmaster | it was funny, me and netcurse both noticed it and mentioned it in irc at the same time |
| 01:28.35 | Wobin | If I weren't keeping up somewhat with those threads anyway... |
| 01:28.37 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Ah. I've been avoiding those threads. They started becoming an addiction, and making me a mean, angry person. |
| 01:28.45 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 01:28.54 | Dagmar | Hirsuite: THat's what forums are for |
| 01:29.04 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Making me a mean, angry person? |
| 01:29.13 | Dagmar | Making _people_ hate other people |
| 01:29.16 | Hirsute | Ah |
| 01:29.18 | Hirsute | Yes. |
| 01:29.45 | Dagmar | Someone asked me last night what the Orb of Deception turned dwarves into. |
| 01:29.51 | Hirsute | Well, I guess I've been lucky over on the Auc forums. With the exception of a bunch of world-class whining after we moved to Auc Advanced only, the Auc forums are usually pretty chill. |
| 01:29.54 | Dagmar | My answer was "Forum ppsters" |
| 01:29.58 | Hirsute | heh |
| 01:30.00 | Dagmar | s/pps/pos/; |
| 01:30.01 | Arrowmaster | trolls |
| 01:30.14 | Hirsute | That trinket shows up in the most random places. |
| 01:31.21 | Dagmar | I like iut |
| 01:31.38 | Dagmar | People complain it's too expensive, I tell them it's free from the ogre |
| 01:31.52 | Wobin | If it continues on, I'm thinking of posting a thread: "First they distributed addons without permission, and I said nothing, for I care not how addons are distributed. Then they leeched the bandwidth, and I said nothing, for I care not how I get my addons..." |
| 01:32.07 | Dagmar | I'm on a high-pop server and people think that ogre is camped all the time |
| 01:32.19 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 01:32.36 | Dagmar | I've been through there a bit lately looking for cloth. |
| 01:32.41 | Arrowmaster | ogre? |
| 01:32.53 | Dagmar | THe fattie tends to be there for at least an hour before someone that cares notices him |
| 01:33.08 | Dagmar | The one that drops the Orb of Deception |
| 01:33.09 | Arrowmaster | who? what? |
| 01:33.16 | Arrowmaster | its a random drop... |
| 01:33.26 | Hirsute | I got it out of a chest in Shadowmoon. |
| 01:33.35 | Dagmar | Not quite |
| 01:33.42 | bleeter | Wobin: I dunno.. I'm still stuck back at the ethics of taking donations for an addon that's wholly reliant on a library to which one has never passed a cent on from the donations said addon author's received ;) |
| 01:34.04 | bleeter | ugh, i shoulda grammar checked that more |
| 01:34.05 | Dagmar | It might be in world loot tables, but there's that crazy ogre in the PvP FFA area outside Dire Maul who drops it just about every time |
| 01:34.17 | Wobin | can you rephrase bleeter? I just woke up >< |
| 01:34.39 | Wobin | but yeah, that could probably be slotted in somewhere in the timeline =P |
| 01:34.49 | Hirsute | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=1973 |
| 01:34.54 | Hirsute | Skarr the Unbreakable? |
| 01:35.03 | Dagmar | yes |
| 01:35.06 | Hirsute | Highest drop rate seems to be him, and that's around 12% |
| 01:35.18 | Dagmar | I've gotten it from him three times out of four now |
| 01:35.28 | Hirsute | Nice |
| 01:35.34 | Hirsute | Good luck for you! |
| 01:35.36 | bleeter | Wobin: let's say I author AddonA. I use Somebody's LibraryL as a core function. I take in $10k donations for my addon, but never pass anything on to Somebody for LibraryL |
| 01:35.48 | bleeter | core as in my addon wont work without it |
| 01:35.48 | Dagmar | I was just looking at Wowhead thinking I must be getting lucky |
| 01:36.03 | Hirsute | It sells really well on my server (600-1k gold, depending on the day) |
| 01:36.05 | ZorbaGama | hirsute, yes, what was said previously about domain squatters ;) |
| 01:36.12 | Hirsute | I might have to go start farming that guy. |
| 01:36.13 | Wobin | bleeter: Well, that's nothing to do with WM's practises, but yes, that's rather sad |
| 01:36.30 | Dagmar | Hirsuite: This is why I just tell people to go over there and give it a shot before buying it |
| 01:36.45 | Hirsute | ZorbaGama: Thanks for confirmation! (Not that I doubted, but I *might* venture into a thread about WoWMatrix again someday, and if I bring it up, I know I'll be challenged as to how I know it) |
| 01:36.56 | Hirsute | Dagmar: What server do you play on? |
| 01:36.57 | Wobin | don't do it Hirsute =( |
| 01:37.01 | Dagmar | Certainly a run to DIre Maul to check is less effort than 700g |
| 01:37.01 | Wobin | You'll regret it =( |
| 01:37.11 | Dagmar | Skywall |
| 01:37.13 | Hirsute | Wobin: As of right now, I probably won't any time soon. |
| 01:37.24 | Hirsute | Okay, good. Not my server. It seems the secret is safe for me. |
| 01:37.25 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 01:37.30 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 01:37.40 | ZorbaGama | hirsute, while I could probably get it with a domain-squatter challenge (I forget what those are called), merely filing one costs $4000, and . . . yeah, that probably isn't gonna happen. |
| 01:37.42 | Hirsute | I need my epic flying, man! |
| 01:37.47 | Dagmar | Just keep in mind it's an FFA area |
| 01:37.56 | Hirsute | ZorbaGama: Yeah, ouch! |
| 01:38.10 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Yeah, but last time I was at Dire Maul, I was the only player around. |
| 01:38.13 | Dagmar | If you take people with you, one of them *might* decide to maximize their roll chances by just turning on you. ;) |
| 01:38.15 | Hirsute | I play on an RP server. |
| 01:38.25 | Dagmar | Yeah the place is just *not* campted |
| 01:38.28 | Hirsute | No reason to take anyone with me. |
| 01:38.38 | ZorbaGama | Also, I might be able to get it from Wowmatrix just by saying "look, we both know I can gank it from you, I'll pay you $2k - this way I save $2k and you get $2k, everyone wins", but, again, $2k :P |
| 01:38.42 | Hirsute | Level 80 toon = can take whatever the game throws at me, there. |
| 01:38.55 | Hirsute | ZorbaGama: *nod* |
| 01:39.04 | Dagmar | THankfully he's not quite a pushover even at 80 |
| 01:39.16 | Cloudwolf | any one notice the dragon at the frozen sea? |
| 01:39.17 | Dagmar | I'd have been disappointed had he not put up a good fight |
| 01:39.19 | Cloudwolf | in dragon blight? |
| 01:39.39 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Really? At 80 I can solo a lot of BC dungeons, and he's not a pushover? |
| 01:39.49 | Arrowmaster | Hirsute: class? |
| 01:39.52 | Dagmar | Hirsuite: Yeah. He's got a lot of hitpoints |
| 01:39.52 | Hirsute | I wonder if anyone has soloed the world dragons. |
| 01:39.56 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: BM hunter |
| 01:40.02 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 01:40.04 | kd3 | that was azuregos |
| 01:40.13 | AbsolutRayne | http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/sweetcontemplation/Beauty/binary_nails.jpg?t=1240450794 |
| 01:40.16 | Hirsute | So I suppose it's more like 1.5ing rather than pure soloing. |
| 01:40.17 | kd3 | wearing excessive +heal gear |
| 01:40.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah a bm hunter soloed azuregos |
| 01:40.18 | Dagmar | I had to cast Mend Pet two or three times. ;) |
| 01:40.22 | Ackis | eh did the argent tourney changed at all? |
| 01:40.35 | kd3 | ackis; no. next update's probably going to be in 3.2 |
| 01:40.37 | Hirsute | kd3: Someone soloed Azuregos? |
| 01:40.48 | Wobin | Cloudwolf: yeah.. HUGE isn't it? |
| 01:40.48 | kd3 | Hirsute, that BM hunter you're thinking of |
| 01:40.57 | Arrowmaster | Hirsute: right before they changed mend pet to be a HoT |
| 01:41.02 | Ackis | kd3: I'm doing the champion level and I'm getting slaughtered... htting for only 300 a lance hit and whatnot... wasn't that bad last night |
| 01:41.03 | Cloudwolf | wobin: yes it is i was like WHAT is this a dragon? |
| 01:41.18 | Wobin | Then I was like "zoom minimap out zoom zoom zoom... zomg" |
| 01:41.22 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: sheild break? |
| 01:41.24 | Cloudwolf | WOO fishing daily just got me an unusual compas |
| 01:41.25 | Hirsute | kd3: Ah, I was actually talking about me, but I'll have to look for the video. |
| 01:41.35 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: Good luck finding a use for it |
| 01:41.42 | Cloudwolf | lol? |
| 01:41.46 | ZorbaGama | ackis, res sickness? |
| 01:41.48 | kd3 | nope. easy strat: stay in melee range, as soon as they break to gain range get a charge off, turn a round and shield-break on your way back in |
| 01:41.52 | Dagmar | All it appears to do is point you in a random direction |
| 01:41.55 | Arrowmaster | i thought you could use the compass to prevent fall damage |
| 01:41.56 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: can't get their shields below 2/3 they recharge that fast (cool down isn't done yet) |
| 01:42.00 | Dagmar | People suspect it's a play on Jack Sparrow's compass |
| 01:42.13 | kd3 | charge, then shield-break in quick succession |
| 01:42.18 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: If you can time it to an insane degree maybe |
| 01:42.24 | Wobin | kd3: that's worked for me. also, when you start the challenge, start it behind them and initialise with a charge |
| 01:42.40 | kd3 | Dagmar, same way mages have been able to blink to avoid fall damage since release? |
| 01:42.46 | Cloudwolf | well aprantly on my server their about 200 gold on the ah |
| 01:42.47 | Wobin | (and a shield break as you pass by) |
| 01:42.55 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah but blink doesn't have a 12-second cast time or whatever |
| 01:43.29 | Cloudwolf | wow ok i used it and it turned me then after that it didn't hmm |
| 01:43.34 | Wobin | Dagmar: yeah, the compass takes a little prep before saving you =P |
| 01:43.38 | Hirsute | I never could get the blink to avoid fall damage thing to work. Ice block on the other hand.... |
| 01:43.38 | Dagmar | It resets your falling speed but doesn't appear to just set you on the ground |
| 01:43.48 | Wobin | it just resets your falling point |
| 01:44.05 | Wobin | so you take damage from the height it activated on |
| 01:44.28 | Hirsute | Whenever I tried to blink to avoid the falling damage, it would put me back up at the top of my fall and I'd have to hope Ice Block was up (usually was) |
| 01:44.32 | Cloudwolf | people think the compass is going to get "nerfed" |
| 01:44.43 | Wobin | Hirsute: You have to time the blink well =) |
| 01:44.48 | Wobin | Just before you hit the ground |
| 01:44.49 | Dagmar | Yeah so unless you can time your fall so that when the casting timer ends you will be <65ft from the ground, it's not so happy |
| 01:44.55 | Wobin | (accounting for lag) |
| 01:45.21 | Dagmar | It has yet to save me from Thrusting Hodir's Spear failures |
| 01:45.27 | Hirsute | Wobin: Apparantly (and the lag is what probably killed me) |
| 01:45.33 | Arrowmaster | you can fail at that? |
| 01:45.40 | Dagmar | ...although it pointed my dead body in a random direction the first time I tried |
| 01:45.48 | Hirsute | You can fail at anything, if you try hard enough. |
| 01:45.50 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Oh yes |
| 01:45.55 | Hirsute | WM tantrums prove that. |
| 01:45.56 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 01:46.04 | Dagmar | Last night something was screwed up and I got dumped with >50 grip left |
| 01:46.22 | Arrowmaster | i always spear the thing with a 20 stack and over 50% health |
| 01:46.30 | kd3 | if you take too long to get to phase 2 you'll drop as soon as you hit dun niffelem |
| 01:47.20 | Dagmar | My favorite is being eaten in midair |
| 01:47.24 | Cloudwolf | i wonder if the compas points you at a quest giver? |
| 01:47.28 | Dagmar | ...and then staying there |
| 01:47.44 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: Not unless that quest giver runs all over the place |
| 01:47.58 | Cloudwolf | dagmar im not saying a specific quest giver |
| 01:48.01 | Cloudwolf | i mean maybe any quest giver |
| 01:48.09 | Dagmar | That would be useful how? |
| 01:48.26 | Dagmar | Go down to the tip of Tanaris and try it there |
| 01:48.28 | Cloudwolf | well it randomly spinning you ina direction is just as usefull... |
| 01:48.31 | Dagmar | It'll point you at the ocean just fine |
| 01:48.47 | Dagmar | Th4ere's _pet rocks_ in the game |
| 01:48.57 | Dagmar | Just because something's name is white is no guarantee it's useful |
| 01:49.10 | Dagmar | ...like that Haute Cuisine Dining Card |
| 01:49.19 | Hirsute | Not to mention all the stuff Grifter sells |
| 01:49.29 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 01:49.42 | kd3 | griftah's stuff is for the RPers. thus, white |
| 01:49.52 | Cloudwolf | i never said it was usefull but no one realy knows why the compas is in here and why it points you |
| 01:50.03 | Dagmar | Oh *that's* the justifcation then? |
| 01:50.06 | Dagmar | I didn't know that |
| 01:50.15 | Dagmar | I always assumed white meant things were _actually_ useful |
| 01:50.44 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: Do you remember Jack Sparrow's compass and what was said about it? |
| 01:50.47 | kd3 | read the loading screen tips... something close to 'items with white text can be useful to players and sold on the AH' |
| 01:51.02 | Dagmar | It's supposed to point at your heart's desire, but Jack didn't know what he wanted so it was leading him all over the place |
| 01:51.49 | Cloudwolf | heh true |
| 01:52.11 | Cloudwolf | didn't his compass a specific name though? |
| 01:52.23 | Cloudwolf | *have |
| 01:52.30 | Dagmar | Not that Ican remember |
| 01:54.32 | Cloudwolf | heh wiky says |
| 01:54.33 | Cloudwolf | Sparrow has an insatiable thirst for rum, which can confuse his magic compass as to what he wants most |
| 01:54.55 | Dagmar | Cor... who doesn't. |
| 01:54.58 | Cloudwolf | it would be fun if it pointed you towards alcoholic drinks |
| 01:55.11 | Dagmar | It would sell well to dwarves |
| 01:59.41 | Iriel | I think dwarves have that as an innate ability |
| 01:59.43 | bleeter | gah why is changing realms still busted |
| 01:59.57 | kd3 | whee! a bugfix patch to a bugfix patch |
| 02:00.04 | Arrowmaster | hmm 3.1.1 patcher is busted for me |
| 02:00.06 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473912076&sid=1 |
| 02:00.07 | bleeter | and what triggers the bustage? sometimes I can log in to a realm, log out change realms.. other times it won't work |
| 02:00.13 | Hirsute | Isn't that business as usualy, kd3? |
| 02:00.27 | Hirsute | *usual |
| 02:00.35 | bleeter | only thin that's suprising is kd3's apparent suprise |
| 02:00.38 | Dagmar | Iriel: No, unfortunately we're only sniffing out boring old treasure chests |
| 02:01.27 | bleeter | kd3: ever get the feeling there'll be more fixes than just that one that players can see? ;) |
| 02:01.28 | Iriel | Dagmar: but chests contain stuff, stuff sells for gold, and gold, really, is just future booze |
| 02:01.40 | Dagmar | I already have Kungaloosh |
| 02:01.54 | Dagmar | It's an amazing recipe |
| 02:02.09 | Dagmar | I turns otherwise useless berries into delicious booze |
| 02:03.41 | Dagmar | Now if I could just drink while on the motorcycle... |
| 02:04.47 | Ackis | wow I got a 20 pound cat today from the SPCA lol |
| 02:05.07 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 02:05.17 | bleeter | that's a lot of pussy |
| 02:05.19 | Dagmar | Well clearly he wasn't starving |
| 02:05.26 | Arrowmaster | how long does 20 pounds take in the oven? |
| 02:05.31 | Dagmar | Any idea what the dominant breed is? |
| 02:05.33 | Ackis | he was rescued from a puppy mill ironically enough |
| 02:05.34 | bleeter | about 9 months? |
| 02:05.48 | Dagmar | For some breeds that's obese |
| 02:05.49 | Ackis | Dagmar: I think he ate a few dominant breeds lol |
| 02:05.54 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 02:06.08 | Ackis | he's not obese, just a big fatty |
| 02:06.17 | Dagmar | I knew a 20lb cat that wasn't obese once |
| 02:06.30 | Dagmar | There was a bit of that wild cat in him |
| 02:06.37 | Dagmar | He looked like a small puma |
| 02:06.46 | Ackis | this guy looks like a baby panther |
| 02:06.56 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 02:07.08 | Wobin | ... I glanced over and thought Dagmar was writing a limerick |
| 02:07.23 | Wobin | but then he stopped =( |
| 02:07.30 | Dagmar | The modern word for it is "rap" |
| 02:07.33 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 02:07.40 | Ackis | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1835116&id=512851685&comments |
| 02:08.23 | Arrowmaster | blurry as fuck |
| 02:08.56 | Wobin | doggy sundae? |
| 02:09.22 | Ackis | http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs005.snc1/2815_75956251685_512851685_1835115_7389699_n.jpg |
| 02:09.46 | Ackis | Wobin: lol dairy queen made it for him heh |
| 02:10.15 | kd3 | bleeter, of course |
| 02:16.29 | Kirov | so, they made it so ice block / bubble / cloak of shadows won't remove the Unquenchable flames ...but you can just take the port back to the start of the instance to get rid of it |
| 02:16.52 | Wobin | So much for unquenchable |
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| 02:19.10 | Legorol | Kirov: wow, that is... |
| 02:19.33 | Legorol | actually... that will be hard to fix |
| 02:19.51 | Kirov | yep |
| 02:19.55 | Legorol | presumably the debuff is cleared due to the code they put in so that on zoning/porting you lose debuffs of that kind, to stop bombing IF AH |
| 02:20.27 | Legorol | so even if the intra-zone port doesn't clear it, you can HS and get resummoned to clear it probably >.< |
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| 02:21.04 | ajmitch | now should the flame leviathan be kitable all the way to the entrance stairs? |
| 02:21.18 | bleeter | why the hell not? lol |
| 02:21.18 | Legorol | ajmitch: nope, there should be a barrier going up when you engage |
| 02:21.20 | Kirov | Well, what happens is the intra-zone port doesn't clear it, but no other player exists anymore to jump to, so it fizzles |
| 02:21.27 | Legorol | that stops you from entering/exiting the area |
| 02:21.40 | Legorol | Kirov: oh i see, lol |
| 02:21.42 | ajmitch | Legorol: he walked right through it last night when we tried to reset because people weren't in place yet |
| 02:21.47 | Legorol | Kirov: does that mean that simply spreading out is sufficient to remove it? |
| 02:22.14 | Legorol | ajmitch: ouch |
| 02:22.29 | Legorol | ajmitch: thanks a lot for the wws logs earlier, i learnt much from it |
| 02:22.32 | ajmitch | yeah, and then when people zoned back in he reengaged, it was a fun start :) |
| 02:22.38 | ajmitch | glad they could help |
| 02:22.44 | bleeter | Legorol: so what's the key? lol |
| 02:22.49 | Legorol | i think i now identified the cause of our problems |
| 02:22.56 | Kirov | Legorol - it has effectively an infinite range |
| 02:22.59 | Legorol | it was people claiming they died from something they probably weren't :) |
| 02:23.10 | bleeter | oh that old chestnut |
| 02:23.17 | Legorol | people kept saying "omg i gout pounced and died", that's why we focused on it |
| 02:23.26 | Legorol | i now suspect they were getting kicked by the technicians instead |
| 02:23.28 | Legorol | pounce -> 8k |
| 02:23.32 | Legorol | technician -> 28l |
| 02:23.34 | Legorol | *28k |
| 02:23.54 | Kirov | It only last on a target for a few seconds, too short for a hearth, but a mage portal could be put down just as easily. |
| 02:23.55 | Legorol | and if i saw it correctly from ajmitch's logs, technician kick only happens on current aggro target |
| 02:24.19 | Legorol | so now i suspect that what was *actually* killing people is healer/dps aggro |
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| 02:24.32 | Legorol | yes, it's quite possible, given how we were trying to tank them |
| 02:25.08 | Legorol | unfortunately we have an idiot feral druid who has now been declared guild MT, with overinflated ego, stubbornness and often lack of understanding of fight mechanics |
| 02:25.31 | Legorol | he insisted that we do the pull by him tanking most/all the mobs, OTs pick one or two off him, and we nuke what we need to nuke first |
| 02:25.50 | Legorol | now correct me if i'm wrong, but i didn't think a feral druid had a de facto aoe tanking ability, only a maul that hits 4 targets or something |
| 02:26.10 | alestane | Swipe has been increased in the last patch. |
| 02:26.11 | bleeter | swipe, and a growl thing |
| 02:26.22 | alestane | No longer target limited, and no longer a cone. |
| 02:26.54 | Legorol | cool |
| 02:27.00 | Legorol | so how good is it at generating aoe threat? |
| 02:27.08 | Legorol | comparable to, say, a paladin or a death knight? |
| 02:27.23 | Legorol | because i'm suspecting that he lost aggro on a couple mobs, that's what killed us |
| 02:27.29 | alestane | That I don't know. My druid is resto/balance and I haven't gotten to spend time raiding since 3.0. |
| 02:27.47 | Legorol | anyway, i have plenty useful info now |
| 02:27.57 | Legorol | one of them is: try and get the druid kicked from the guild :o) |
| 02:28.02 | bleeter | Legorol: well, my guess may be that your guild isn't used to druid tanks/new druid mechanics, and prolly piled on the dps/heals too fast |
| 02:28.09 | Hirsute | Swipe was changed to "everyone in front of you" |
| 02:28.13 | bleeter | idk, wasn't there, hard to say |
| 02:28.17 | Legorol | bleeter: he's effectively been our MT since Wrath |
| 02:28.27 | alestane | Druids are traditionally better AoE tanks than warriors from what I remember, but not as good as pallies. |
| 02:28.27 | Legorol | they are very used to him |
| 02:28.42 | Legorol | alestane: warriors got buffed nicely, thank god |
| 02:28.46 | bleeter | Legorol: yeah, but 3.1 changed aggro mechanics. if your guild are still playing 3.0 mechanics, and he's playing 3.1. Just saying, maybe cause some issues when learning new fights. |
| 02:28.47 | Legorol | thunderclap + shockwave is pretty good |
| 02:28.57 | Legorol | bleeter: uh, what? |
| 02:29.01 | Legorol | new aggro mechanics? |
| 02:29.01 | alestane | Hirsute: Swipe is no longer restricted to "in front of you" as of 3.1. |
| 02:29.04 | Legorol | do tell/link/explain :) |
| 02:29.17 | bleeter | Legorol: the way swipe/growl thingies work now :P |
| 02:29.23 | Legorol | oh? |
| 02:29.28 | Legorol | is that in patch notes |
| 02:29.32 | ajmitch | yes |
| 02:29.35 | Hirsute | alestane: Seriously? Wow, those druids are good, they've managed to learn how to swipe in 360 degrees? |
| 02:29.38 | alestane | Taunts are on a shared diminish category now IIRC. |
| 02:29.38 | Legorol | that might explain a lot, let me read :) |
| 02:29.49 | alestane | Hirsute: Also in the patch notes. |
| 02:29.50 | Legorol | alestane: that's only for pets |
| 02:29.51 | ajmitch | because large packs of mobs inevitably have some of them trying to get behind the tank |
| 02:30.07 | Hirsute | alestane: I must have missed it. |
| 02:30.17 | bleeter | our tanks were claiming diminishing returns on razorscale last night |
| 02:30.21 | bleeter | *taunt |
| 02:30.21 | Legorol | alestane: and other special mobs. tanking classes are specifically exempted from that, their taunt is very different |
| 02:30.25 | alestane | Or at least, it was at one point. Could have been dropped. |
| 02:30.26 | bleeter | idk, i was just heals |
| 02:31.15 | Legorol | alestane: apologies, i read it wrong |
| 02:31.25 | Legorol | what does "shared diminished category" mean, i wonder |
| 02:31.28 | alestane | Here we go, "Swipe: The Bear Form and Dire Bear Form version of this ability no longer has a targeting requirement and hits targets behind the druid and to the sides." |
| 02:31.30 | Twidget | hey... can anyone help me with an LDB issue? i am new to lua... I want to make it so when I left click the block on the LDB it opens the frame I made (which works now)... then when I right |
| 02:31.41 | Twidget | click I want it to use my hearthstone |
| 02:31.54 | alestane | "Taunts: All player or pet-generated taunts now have a shared diminish category." |
| 02:32.03 | Legorol | alestane: yah i saw that, i'm just wondering what it means |
| 02:32.13 | Twidget | I tried onclick with use item by name but got a protected error |
| 02:32.16 | Legorol | what can diminish about a taunt? |
| 02:32.19 | durcyn | it means you can't spam taunt kite things |
| 02:32.25 | alestane | Maybe that you need to do your to generate threat than just spam taunts? |
| 02:32.27 | durcyn | dimishing returns |
| 02:32.31 | Hirsute | alestane: I thought the tank classes were exempt from that.. I really need to go read those notes again. |
| 02:32.35 | ajmitch | more likely to resist |
| 02:32.40 | durcyn | as in they become immune for x seconds after y taunts |
| 02:32.46 | Legorol | alestane: the "key" taunts such as warrior, dk, druid ones don't actually generate threat |
| 02:32.50 | durcyn | because people were exploiting to kill razuvious |
| 02:32.51 | Legorol | they set your threat to 100% |
| 02:33.24 | Legorol | durcyn: ok, so it's immunity, as opposed to "diminishing" |
| 02:33.25 | alestane | You'd have to ask a designer what it really means, is Alex ever comes back in the channel. |
| 02:33.32 | Legorol | the word "diminish" means some form of decrease |
| 02:33.44 | Legorol | i was trying to figure out what could be decreasing about an effect that's a one-off |
| 02:33.59 | alestane | Resist chance? |
| 02:34.27 | Legorol | could be |
| 02:34.36 | Legorol | durcyn: as for razorscale, her aggro mechanics are weird |
| 02:34.47 | Legorol | but this shared diminish thing explains a couple of things |
| 02:34.54 | bleeter | god I hate being raid heals on razorscale, it's the suck |
| 02:34.56 | Hirsute | Why must Blizz reset the "load out of date addons" box every patch? |
| 02:35.03 | Legorol | i did notice that sometimes i could taunt her, and sometimes i got "Immune" message |
| 02:35.09 | Legorol | this would explain it |
| 02:35.18 | Legorol | Hirsute: for your own protection |
| 02:35.34 | Hirsute | I wish there were a setting that would tell the client, "No, I really mean it. Load my out of date addons. I know how to disable this if I start having problems" |
| 02:35.53 | Legorol | no can do sir. you are in protective custody |
| 02:36.00 | bleeter | stay 10 yards from everyone, avoid the blue flames, don't get hit in the head.. while running around healing folks who've got closer than 10 yards, stepped in blue crap or got hit on the head. I need valium afterwards. |
| 02:36.17 | bleeter | some would argue I always need that, tho... /shrug |
| 02:36.22 | Hirsute | It doesn't offer any protection really, just delays the errors a moment while I click a couple of times to turn them back on. |
| 02:36.30 | Legorol | bleeter: i thought healers were complaining that Naxx is way too boring to heal |
| 02:37.32 | bleeter | Legorol: yawn to omfgwtfbbqmoarcoffee in one boss that's a vehicle fight so don't really count mmm |
| 02:37.45 | Legorol | bleeter: staying 10 yards from everyone is perfect for some lovely chain lightnings that span the entire area :o) |
| 02:38.36 | Legorol | i actually encourage people to stand close to their friends.. |
| 02:38.42 | Legorol | that way it's likely only two of them getting it |
| 02:38.45 | Legorol | and there are bigger gaps |
| 02:39.09 | Legorol | when the raid tried to spread out properly, we got awesome 5-person chains |
| 02:39.23 | Legorol | now it hits 2-3 people only |
| 02:39.43 | durcyn | Legorol: your rogues should be spamming FOK with throwing specialization to negate the chain lightning imo |
| 02:39.49 | Adys | http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i51341 |
| 02:39.51 | Adys | "Meanwhile, the woman's whereabouts are, obviously, unknown." |
| 02:39.52 | Adys | win |
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| 02:40.05 | Legorol | durcyn: oh, how does that work? why does that negate it? |
| 02:40.14 | durcyn | aoe interrupt |
| 02:40.43 | Legorol | i didn't think chain lightning can be interrupted |
| 02:40.47 | durcyn | it can |
| 02:40.51 | Legorol | only the normal lightning they do |
| 02:41.01 | Legorol | hmmmz |
| 02:41.12 | Legorol | my mind freeze most definitely doesn't work on chain lightning :( i wonder why |
| 02:41.32 | durcyn | this is razorscale we're talking about still? |
| 02:41.43 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:41.54 | Legorol | i know they can be stunned when they are trying to cast the chain lightning |
| 02:42.07 | Legorol | but mind freeze doesn't work on them during chain, only normal lightning bolt |
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| 02:42.49 | Legorol | durcyn: does FoK with throwing spec interrupt *all* mobs hit, or just the one that's currently targeted by the rogue? |
| 02:43.18 | Legorol | if it's all targets, that's imba |
| 02:43.40 | durcyn | everything, iirc. |
| 02:43.47 | Legorol | aoe interrupt sounds a bit OP |
| 02:43.47 | durcyn | we use it extensively on razorscale and thorim |
| 02:43.53 | Legorol | makes sense |
| 02:43.56 | Legorol | i'll poke our rogues |
| 02:43.56 | durcyn | might be with the glyph |
| 02:44.16 | durcyn | nevermind that's just the damage increase component |
| 02:45.56 | Legorol | speaking of taunts: classic d'oh moment: |
| 02:46.10 | Legorol | "Sart with +xD, oh shit, too many adds up, aoe taunt!" |
| 02:46.23 | kd3 | taunted the boss too? fun stuff |
| 02:46.31 | bleeter | rawr |
| 02:46.34 | Legorol | happened before |
| 02:46.36 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 02:46.40 | Legorol | not to me though... i don't have an aoe taunt :o) |
| 02:47.04 | Legorol | which reminds me again about that feral druid that i love so much |
| 02:47.19 | Legorol | one of our Sart tries we screwed up somehow, and Sart turned to the raid |
| 02:47.25 | Legorol | we suspect someone accidentally taunted him |
| 02:47.37 | Legorol | mr. drood whispers me: "did you aoe taunt?" my reply: "i don't have one" |
| 02:47.43 | Legorol | he shut up for the rest of the night |
| 02:49.04 | NeoTron | wtf is my launcher downloading... really... SLOWLY |
| 02:49.07 | Legorol | i love that druid so much.. almost every way, in some roundabout way, he makes comments that suggest that i'm an idiot for trying to tank in anything other than frost and that i should respec |
| 02:49.14 | Legorol | s/way/raid/ |
| 02:49.40 | Wobin | Legorol: hehe |
| 02:49.44 | bleeter | Legorol: but you are an idiot for trying ... :P |
| 02:49.51 | Legorol | bleeter: :P |
| 02:49.54 | bleeter | aCtually scrub that |
| 02:50.00 | bleeter | you are an idiot... and you are trying |
| 02:50.02 | bleeter | :P |
| 02:50.03 | durcyn | blood tanking is fine for single target, is that druid drunk |
| 02:50.25 | Wobin | we had so much trouble with S+1 cause the warrior add tank kept getting Sarth's attention |
| 02:50.27 | Legorol | not to mention his imba strat for aoe-tanking large groups of mobs: he tries to do them with pure willpower, asking the OTs to taunt one or two of the bigger mobs off of him (which he then promptly taunts back, btw) |
| 02:50.38 | Legorol | despite the fact that i'm unholy specced and far better suited for aoe-trash |
| 02:51.36 | Legorol | S+X is fun with only two tanks :o) I have only done S+1, but I was lucky enough to be drake+blaze+whelp tank |
| 02:51.42 | Legorol | now that was a fun challenge for a tank |
| 02:52.30 | Legorol | D&D makes the job a lot easier though... place it from a range at the portal, whelps come straight to me, case solved |
| 02:52.37 | Wobin | but why does he ask the OT's to taunt, then taunt back? |
| 02:52.39 | Wobin | whut? |
| 02:52.47 | Legorol | Wobin: because he is an idiot |
| 02:52.52 | Shirik | wheee |
| 02:52.55 | Shirik | 7 bosses down in Ulduar |
| 02:52.57 | Legorol | when he sees that he lost aggro on something, he's got to taunt it |
| 02:52.59 | Wobin | I liked unholy aoe tanking |
| 02:53.05 | Wobin | cause UB made it easier =) |
| 02:53.08 | Legorol | it doesn't matter that it's an OT that's holding it |
| 02:53.25 | Wobin | oh, an OCD tank |
| 02:53.30 | Legorol | Wobin: UB is nothing... D&D on 15 sec cooldown, 3 disease with pestilence, and wandering plague |
| 02:53.33 | Legorol | now those kick ass |
| 02:53.40 | Wobin | oh of course |
| 02:53.45 | Wobin | but UB definitely helps |
| 02:53.50 | Wobin | cause you don't need to worry about it |
| 02:53.53 | Wobin | aside from keeping it up |
| 02:54.04 | Legorol | aye, and you just need to wander close to mobs |
| 02:54.18 | Legorol | unfortunately it doesn't help if new adds spawn and wander into a full blast of aoe storm |
| 02:54.27 | Legorol | the dps will easily pull aggro over UB |
| 02:54.31 | Wobin | although BB is now nice and useful too |
| 02:54.36 | Legorol | <3 |
| 02:54.39 | Legorol | very |
| 02:54.41 | Wobin | for those pesky blood runes you never use =) |
| 02:54.43 | Legorol | i'm lovin' it |
| 02:54.52 | Legorol | i use them all the time for pestilence or BS |
| 02:55.03 | kd3 | gack |
| 02:55.09 | kd3 | one mob kill 4 rep gains |
| 02:55.10 | Legorol | l2love your B runes |
| 02:55.13 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:55.23 | kd3 | turns off rep tracking in his chat logs |
| 02:55.31 | Legorol | hehe |
| 02:55.45 | Wobin | I wish they didn't change Bladebarrier =( |
| 02:55.51 | Legorol | i'm seriously blessed by my fellow tanks.. |
| 02:56.09 | Legorol | one is an egomaniac stubborn dictator non-teamplayer |
| 02:56.14 | ZorbaGama | is there any reasonably easy way to figure out what frame is catching rightclick messages? |
| 02:56.17 | Jamash | blood runes are awesome, for turning into death runes |
| 02:56.19 | Legorol | the other couldn't generate threat for the life of him on single target |
| 02:56.40 | Wobin | Jamash: as blood dps, they're fantastic for BB spam =) |
| 02:56.46 | bleeter | kd3: emblem loot spam remover addon make it something like join battleground msgskgothx |
| 02:56.47 | Wobin | *boomboomboomboomboomboomboomboomboomboom* |
| 02:56.49 | Legorol | Jamash: what for? you'd just spend them again on pest or bb :P |
| 02:57.14 | Legorol | Wobin: cheat, that's FU->BB conversion |
| 02:57.16 | Legorol | that is useful |
| 02:57.20 | Jamash | well I'm not 80 yet, so I'm spamming DS all the time while soloing |
| 02:57.21 | Wobin | I like Bloodboil spam just for the sound it makes, much like CE |
| 02:57.27 | Legorol | but B->D is overrated ;) |
| 02:57.59 | Legorol | in fact my unholy spec ran for a while without reaping, and worked fine |
| 02:58.19 | Legorol | i picked it up again because of the pestilence nerf |
| 02:58.32 | Wobin | okay, so I lie, it's BBx4, DS, BBx4, DS =) |
| 02:58.48 | alestane | I have both death rune mastery and reaping at the moment. I love having six death runes but I'm not sure it actually does me that much good in practice. |
| 02:58.49 | Wobin | but sometimes I get so excited I just hit BB over and over til it stops =P |
| 02:58.55 | Legorol | Wobin: and your diseases refresh themselves how? "It's a kind of magic" |
| 02:59.09 | Wobin | Legorol: yeah, that's when the dream ends =) |
| 02:59.14 | Legorol | hehe |
| 02:59.14 | Hirsute | Legorol: They mutate like HIV? |
| 02:59.22 | Legorol | rofl |
| 02:59.23 | Wobin | but then again, tabtarget, pest |
| 02:59.34 | Legorol | that used to be the trick |
| 02:59.42 | Legorol | now you just get disease glyph |
| 02:59.45 | Wobin | or the disease glyph |
| 02:59.58 | Wobin | hm |
| 03:00.05 | Wobin | I have DS and ghoul |
| 03:00.08 | Wobin | and was looking to get CE |
| 03:00.18 | Wobin | but maybe I'll get Disease instead of ghoul |
| 03:00.23 | Cloudwolf | blood dk = full hp nearly throughout any fight lol |
| 03:00.25 | Legorol | meh, i like the idea of CE, but somehow i never seem to find the point to spend in it |
| 03:00.34 | Wobin | Legorol: hehe it's so much FUN! |
| 03:00.42 | Legorol | Wobin: i was joking about disease glyph, imo it's a waste of a glyph |
| 03:00.48 | Legorol | it's a crutch if you are not an uber tank yet |
| 03:00.50 | Wobin | that's why I've never used it |
| 03:00.53 | Legorol | if you are uber, you'll tab-pest |
| 03:01.06 | Wobin | (of course, for tanking I'm frost) |
| 03:01.17 | Legorol | i bet CE is fun, i always try to justify it in my tank build, but always fail :( |
| 03:01.18 | Wobin | although the HB glyph is taking a little getting used to |
| 03:01.22 | Wobin | oh meh |
| 03:01.25 | Wobin | not for tanking |
| 03:01.35 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042309_055816.jpg <- my minicombat log |
| 03:01.39 | Legorol | hehe, that's why i fail justifying it |
| 03:01.39 | Wobin | for your dps build =) |
| 03:01.42 | mikma | mini combatlog* |
| 03:01.50 | Legorol | Wobin: i went with a frost dps build |
| 03:01.56 | mikma | legorol: love! |
| 03:01.59 | Legorol | i love unholy tanking too much to be persuaded to tank in frost, |
| 03:02.05 | Legorol | and i wanted something different for dps |
| 03:02.09 | mikma | legorol: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Oe |
| 03:02.10 | Wobin | Legorol: same =) |
| 03:02.12 | Legorol | i figured i'll go with HB glyph and frost |
| 03:02.17 | Wobin | which is why I went blood |
| 03:02.23 | Wobin | cause I've never done it before |
| 03:02.28 | Legorol | that will give me the practice of the rotation in case i ever have to spec frost tank |
| 03:02.39 | Cloudwolf | ~seen cloudwolf |
| 03:02.41 | purl | cloudwolf is currently on #wowuidev (3h 43m 38s). Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen cloudwolf'. |
| 03:02.47 | Wobin | the HB glyph is messing with my mind =P |
| 03:02.48 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie |
| 03:02.53 | Legorol | the HB glyph is fun, and when it hit me how to use it properly, the rotation got simple |
| 03:02.56 | Wobin | I can't get a proper rotation set =P |
| 03:03.09 | Legorol | i'll tell you the trick to it wobin |
| 03:03.12 | Wobin | (aside from hitting HB when it's up) |
| 03:03.24 | Legorol | where you would use IT, PS in your unholy rotation, use HB instead :o) |
| 03:03.38 | Wobin | I still try to PS and pest |
| 03:03.42 | Legorol | unless you had a rime proc and there's plenty left on your FF, then just use an OB |
| 03:03.53 | Wobin | oh single target? |
| 03:04.00 | Legorol | doesn't matter :o) |
| 03:04.19 | Legorol | i have deliberately placed my frost abilities in locations on my bars to sort of mirror my unholy |
| 03:04.19 | Wobin | KM is entertaining too |
| 03:04.24 | Legorol | so i put HB in the place of IT |
| 03:04.31 | Wobin | "zomg, do I wait for HB, or just FS it?" |
| 03:04.36 | Legorol | FS it |
| 03:05.00 | Wobin | it's a free deathchill... I love it |
| 03:05.06 | Legorol | Wobin, what rotation are you using then? i'm doing HB, BS, BS OB opener, then: |
| 03:05.21 | Legorol | OB-OB-OB, OB-BS-OB, using rime procs on HB and KM on FS |
| 03:05.33 | Wobin | If I ignore trying to get the second disease up, then yeah, that's basically it |
| 03:05.38 | Legorol | if FF is about to run out, replace the next OB with HB |
| 03:05.48 | Legorol | you really should forget about the second disease |
| 03:05.58 | Wobin | aoe tanking can be tricky with pugs |
| 03:06.01 | Legorol | check out a log to see what % of your damage is from BP and you'll see why :o) |
| 03:06.29 | Legorol | i agree about that wobin |
| 03:06.38 | Legorol | pugs are sort of fun in the sense that i actually have to pay attention to what i tank |
| 03:06.45 | Wobin | but each disease is 12.5% damage for OB |
| 03:06.50 | Legorol | i always switch target to the one that's going down fastest, as i know some idiot dps will pull |
| 03:06.53 | Legorol | and get a couple RS in |
| 03:07.10 | Wobin | I have RS macro'd to everything =P |
| 03:07.27 | Legorol | that's true wobin, but i think the EJ guys did the math, and the extra 12.5% is not worth the wasted damage from using a PS |
| 03:07.41 | Legorol | i didn't macro RS for two reasons: |
| 03:07.44 | Wobin | hm, that will make my life easier |
| 03:07.47 | Legorol | 1) i like to keep my options open |
| 03:08.23 | Legorol | 2) the mechanics are identical to warrior's Heroic Strike, which i've been using for 4 years prior to this, so i can activate RS in my sleep in addition to doing anything else |
| 03:08.36 | Wobin | hehe I don't have that reflex =) |
| 03:08.41 | Wobin | as this is my first tank |
| 03:08.49 | Legorol | aye that one takes a while to get |
| 03:09.07 | Legorol | i have my keybindings set with consideration to the fact that i'll have to be pressing two simultaneously |
| 03:09.22 | Legorol | on a prot warrior, it used to be worse, you'd sometimes have to press 3 abilities at the same time, literally |
| 03:09.33 | Legorol | HS, Shield Block and your next GCD ability |
| 03:10.12 | Legorol | that was truly palming the keyboard, i just smacked three fingers on it |
| 03:10.36 | Legorol | btw, welcome to the light (dark?) side in that case wobin ;) |
| 03:10.44 | Legorol | tanking is the most fun thing to do in WoW imo |
| 03:10.48 | Legorol | healing is 2nd best |
| 03:10.51 | Hirsute | I used to think that |
| 03:10.53 | Legorol | QQ-ing is 3rd |
| 03:10.59 | Legorol | theorycrafting is 4t |
| 03:11.02 | Legorol | dps is 5th |
| 03:11.09 | Hirsute | Then I spent way too many evenings tanking pugs full of retards. |
| 03:11.15 | Wobin | I started as a ranged dps, then went to healer, then went to melee dps, then now to tanking and also melee dps |
| 03:11.35 | Wobin | and I'm thinking of going back to healing |
| 03:11.42 | Legorol | there is only one aspect i didn't lke about tanking: |
| 03:11.56 | ajmitch | the RSI? |
| 03:11.57 | Legorol | pugs would automatically force you to be the strategist for the group, whether you want to be or not |
| 03:12.02 | Hirsute | Retards who don't watch their threat? |
| 03:12.02 | Wobin | yeah |
| 03:12.04 | Legorol | well that too ajmitch :) |
| 03:12.11 | Legorol | nah hirsute, that's easily handled |
| 03:12.20 | Wobin | they can just die |
| 03:12.20 | Legorol | either i managed to keep threat anyway, or taunt, or i let them die |
| 03:12.20 | Hirsute | Legorol: Let them die? |
| 03:12.53 | Legorol | but i got rather good at anticipating idiotic behaviour and taking preemptive action, even before the new sprakly "you are about to lose threat" warnings |
| 03:13.18 | Wobin | I hate seeing that pop up everywhere =P |
| 03:13.21 | Legorol | if i see a mob other than my target starting to rapidly lose health, i switch to it and taunt when i lose aggro :) |
| 03:13.24 | Wobin | esp on bad pulls |
| 03:13.28 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:13.30 | Legorol | i know what you mean |
| 03:13.43 | Legorol | seeing a screen full of nameplates turn red gives me heartattacks |
| 03:13.49 | Legorol | i almost think it was better before that |
| 03:13.53 | mikma | heh, now i need to code my own scrollframe |
| 03:13.59 | Elly | I don't mind being the strategist for the group, actually |
| 03:14.00 | Wobin | hehe what you didn't know hurt less? =) |
| 03:14.08 | Hirsute | Every time I let someone die because they out-threated me, and then did it again as soon as my taunt wore off, the dpstard would yell at me for not keeping thread. |
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| 03:14.15 | Wobin | Elly: yeah, until you're too tired to do it well |
| 03:14.28 | Legorol | ^this |
| 03:14.30 | Jamash | dang it one of my addons is getting me disconnected |
| 03:14.32 | Legorol | i like doing it |
| 03:14.34 | Elly | the only problem I really can't deal with is DPS who can't seem to get "target the skull because I am holding threat on the skull" through their heads |
| 03:14.39 | Legorol | but i don't like being forced to do it without having a choice |
| 03:14.42 | Wobin | Hirsute: screw them |
| 03:14.48 | Elly | I let them die :P |
| 03:14.48 | Hirsute | I got tired of it, so my tank (who used to be my main) is still 72, and my ranged dps is 80 |
| 03:14.54 | Wobin | dps need to be able to control their threat |
| 03:15.02 | Legorol | ^ this |
| 03:15.11 | Legorol | at the same time, the tank needs to l2threat |
| 03:15.13 | Wobin | although, people -are- getting better at understanding this, I've found |
| 03:15.28 | Hirsute | Wobin: Yeah, there's just a lot of them on my server. I'm much happier now that I spend most of my time on my hunter. |
| 03:15.43 | Wobin | Legorol: true, but if the tank is doing the best they can and I outgear the tank, I try to scale back dps |
| 03:15.46 | Hirsute | Legorol: And I'll openly admit that I wasn't always the best at that, but I'm not horrible, either. |
| 03:15.49 | Legorol | i must say that being a tank just broadens your horizon so much |
| 03:15.51 | Wobin | switch stances, etc |
| 03:15.54 | Legorol | i'm a much better dps for it |
| 03:16.01 | Wobin | Legorol: hehe "broadens" by zooming out =) |
| 03:16.02 | mikma | anyone has any idea where can i find proper colors for spells? :P |
| 03:16.13 | Legorol | Wobin: lol, very true |
| 03:16.16 | Elly | Legorol: I think I'm okay at that...I'm good at watching my threat meter and catching things that peel, but if a mage is going to drop blizzard on the 12 mobs attacking me, I can't do anything to save them |
| 03:16.27 | Elly | (well, I can, but I won't :P) |
| 03:16.30 | Legorol | Elly: and you don't need to. |
| 03:16.34 | Wobin | Legorol: The best DPS and healers are those who have tanked |
| 03:16.39 | Legorol | although you could aoe taunt |
| 03:16.40 | Elly | Challenging Shout + Damage Shield |
| 03:16.44 | Elly | is the best I can do there |
| 03:16.46 | Wobin | and the best tanks are those who have dps'd and healed |
| 03:16.59 | Legorol | Wobin: yes |
| 03:17.06 | Legorol | i do ifnd that having tried all three roles helps so much |
| 03:17.08 | Elly | I am a n00b, actually; this is my first character, and it is level 55 :) |
| 03:17.15 | Elly | (prot warrior) |
| 03:17.26 | Wobin | I've found that the dual specs have made that more evident |
| 03:17.28 | Legorol | Elly: you seem to know a lot more about tanking already than most people at 80, which is great |
| 03:17.29 | Legorol | keep it up |
| 03:17.41 | Hirsute | My worst experiences were back in the day before Shockwave and before TC actually got useful, using my mouse-over sunder/devastate macro. |
| 03:17.42 | Wobin | if someone is offspeccing on their second spec, they tend to play better |
| 03:17.43 | Elly | aw, thanks *blush* |
| 03:17.45 | Legorol | Wobin: you mean you can tell which dps has tank as their main spec? |
| 03:17.45 | ZorbaGama | elly, +thunderclap +shockwave if it's up. If that doesn't do the trick, though, yeah, deadmage ;) |
| 03:17.53 | ZorbaGama | (I don't know if you have shockwave yet) |
| 03:17.56 | Elly | doesn't have Shockwave yet |
| 03:18.04 | ZorbaGama | shockwave is amazing. |
| 03:18.05 | Elly | Shockwave is the 51-point prot talent and I'm 55 :P |
| 03:18.19 | Legorol | so? |
| 03:18.23 | Shadowed | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=130203&postcount=2 |
| 03:18.29 | Hirsute | Yeah, Shockwave was happy. |
| 03:18.29 | Wobin | she doesn't have enough points til 60 |
| 03:18.29 | Shadowed | spammm |
| 03:18.31 | Elly | you can't get 51 talent points by level 55 |
| 03:18.34 | Legorol | with the bugs introduced last week in the talent trees, you may well have it already ;) |
| 03:18.35 | Shirik | Shadowed, why not me :( |
| 03:18.37 | Elly | haha :P |
| 03:18.44 | Shadowed | you whined last time I bugged you! |
| 03:18.47 | Elly | I didn't encounter any of those bugs, fortunately |
| 03:18.48 | ZorbaGama | yeah, five levels and you'll have it though :D |
| 03:19.04 | Elly | I picked up Devastate recently due to a five-point detour into Arms for Parry |
| 03:19.07 | Shadowed | Cair has the best chance of being here, cause she always is :P |
| 03:19.12 | Elly | next level I'm getting Warbringer |
| 03:19.23 | Legorol | warbringer is <3 |
| 03:19.32 | Legorol | it's actually a fairly good dps-saver if you can master it |
| 03:19.37 | Legorol | better than intervene, because it stuns |
| 03:19.38 | Wobin | rage based tanking drove me insane =) |
| 03:19.56 | Wobin | and I could never get anywhere trying to level a pally |
| 03:19.58 | Shadowed | ~purl hug Shirik |
| 03:19.59 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik |
| 03:20.03 | Legorol | so you are now into the rune+RP-based, extremely complex rotation and mindboggling precision tanking instead? |
| 03:20.05 | Wobin | which is why I never tanked before WotLK |
| 03:20.17 | Wobin | Legorol: It's predictable though! |
| 03:20.22 | Wobin | which is what I like about it |
| 03:20.24 | ajmitch | found levelling a warrior from 70-80 as prot to be sort of enjoyable |
| 03:20.30 | Elly | I love levelling prot - I can take mobs that are nine or ten levels higher than me |
| 03:20.39 | ZorbaGama | warbringer is also amazing :) |
| 03:20.44 | Hirsute | ajmitch: *nod* |
| 03:20.45 | Legorol | Elly: soloing as prot used to be very, Very, VERY painful |
| 03:20.46 | Wobin | I'd say the same about DKs, but DKs are just ridiculously OP anyway |
| 03:20.47 | Elly | (and I can solo trash for at-level instances - I've been fighting the trash at the start of Blackrock Depths recently :P) |
| 03:20.50 | Legorol | back in the days when wow came out |
| 03:20.52 | Hirsute | Levelling my warrior is fun. |
| 03:20.53 | Wobin | (pre 80) |
| 03:20.59 | Elly | Legorol: I hear Revenge used to not do damage |
| 03:21.07 | Legorol | Wobin: wow, you are in my head again |
| 03:21.13 | Legorol | elly: correct |
| 03:21.15 | ZorbaGama | elly, at 60 you may honestly want to respect full-prot just to get shockwave - yes, it's really that good, it makes AOEing a joy |
| 03:21.20 | Legorol | it was a pure threat tool |
| 03:21.31 | Hirsute | With the increased dps in prot, it's much, much nicer for levelling. |
| 03:21.38 | Wobin | Legorol: HIVE MIND =) |
| 03:21.38 | Legorol | hell yeah |
| 03:21.41 | Elly | ZorbaGama: hm...I could do that at the expense of the 5% parry chance |
| 03:21.49 | ajmitch | practially 0 downtime levelling as prot |
| 03:21.55 | Elly | Legorol: ugh. A lot of my DPS comes from Revenge |
| 03:21.55 | ZorbaGama | on anything besides bosses, shockwave will probably provide more mitigation than that 5% will anyway |
| 03:22.00 | Legorol | wobin: i was referring to the fact that you are probably the only DK i saw (other than me) openly claiming DKs are OP |
| 03:22.06 | Wobin | pft |
| 03:22.07 | Elly | and most of the rest comes from Shield Slam :) |
| 03:22.12 | Legorol | Elly: hell yes, revenge is awesome now |
| 03:22.16 | Wobin | I -soloed- most of wotlk pre 80 |
| 03:22.21 | Legorol | at level 70: 2 rage for a 1k hit? gief |
| 03:22.28 | Elly | revenge is *why* I can take stuff 10 levels above me |
| 03:22.35 | Elly | when my white hits deal 5 damage, revenge still hits for 400 |
| 03:22.38 | Wobin | every single time I hear on guild "Need help with this group quest" from a DK, I wonder why they can't just do it =P |
| 03:22.45 | Legorol | Wobin: ditto, i solod 3-5-man quests |
| 03:22.57 | Wobin | The only group quests I had problems with were in Icecrown |
| 03:23.00 | Elly | does that too |
| 03:23.01 | Wobin | the latter ones |
| 03:23.03 | Hirsute | Elly: :) |
| 03:23.08 | Legorol | Elly: want some fun advice on gearing for shield-based soloing as prot? |
| 03:23.11 | Elly | absolutely |
| 03:23.21 | Legorol | if you can, pick up anything with block value on it |
| 03:23.26 | Hirsute | ^^^^ |
| 03:23.36 | Elly | my current shield has...30 block or so. Does anything else come with block? |
| 03:23.36 | Legorol | other than that, gear as if you were a normal dps warr: prioritise strength |
| 03:23.38 | mikma | surprise! |
| 03:23.40 | mikma | server restart |
| 03:23.54 | Elly | yeah, one of my guild mates gave me that advice when I started |
| 03:23.57 | Legorol | elly: your shield slam's damage goes up with block |
| 03:24.03 | Legorol | in a very beneficial way |
| 03:24.05 | Elly | yeah, I noticed that :) |
| 03:24.13 | Legorol | at the same time, mobs hit you for less |
| 03:24.24 | Elly | oh, here's something I've been wondering: is Puncture worth it? |
| 03:24.35 | Elly | I got Focused Rage, but I'm not sure if Puncture is good on top of that |
| 03:24.53 | Legorol | my soloing gear consists in half of tier-5/6 pieces with insane BV and the other half is regular dps pieces |
| 03:25.03 | Wobin | Legorol: Hm, I think I see why I got turned around with the HB glyph. I kept thinking it was an IT replacement, and it is, but it uses more runes than just frost =) |
| 03:25.28 | Elly | here is me: http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Scarlet+Crusade&n=Sepria |
| 03:25.43 | Legorol | Elly: yes puncture is good if can spare the points |
| 03:25.56 | Legorol | Wobin: yes, but you don't PS :) |
| 03:26.03 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 03:26.09 | Wobin | which was why I was coming up short =) |
| 03:26.41 | Wobin | I should think of it more as a IT+PS replacement =) |
| 03:26.54 | Elly | Legorol: what do you think of my talents? http://us.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Scarlet+Crusade&n=Sepria&group=1 |
| 03:26.55 | Wobin | (also, I need to use less smilies) |
| 03:27.03 | mikma | wobin: :DDDDDDDD |
| 03:27.04 | Legorol | the key to the latest fotm frost with HB glyph is: your HB and FS will benefit exactly the same from 1 as from 2 diseases |
| 03:27.34 | Legorol | i have never done much frosting, but from what i read, the previous favourite rotation was: |
| 03:27.57 | Legorol | IT-IT-OB-BS rune dump |
| 03:28.00 | Legorol | still no PS in it |
| 03:28.22 | Wobin | poor plaguestrike |
| 03:28.27 | kd3 | hmm... forums are quiet tonight |
| 03:28.30 | kd3 | nice, for a change |
| 03:28.35 | Wobin | kd3: I know! |
| 03:29.46 | Legorol | Elly: it's not bad, i'd have spent a couple of points different for leveling |
| 03:30.16 | Elly | where? |
| 03:30.27 | Legorol | I'd have spent 3 points in imp. heroic strike (moving them over from parry if needed), and get imp. TC and Incite |
| 03:30.52 | Legorol | at your level, tanking in instances, you don't need deflection, shield spec. or anticipation that much |
| 03:31.02 | Elly | ahh |
| 03:31.02 | Legorol | you can tank it fine with just any tank gear you happen to have |
| 03:31.06 | Legorol | at least that's my opinion |
| 03:31.12 | Elly | I have the Glyph of Revenge equipped, so I basically never pay for Heroic Strike |
| 03:31.13 | Legorol | others will say, just go and take those talents |
| 03:31.34 | Arrowmaster | is there a new patch again? |
| 03:31.43 | Legorol | well glyph of HS is good, true |
| 03:31.44 | kd3 | launcher fix |
| 03:31.55 | Legorol | in that case imp HS is not that important |
| 03:31.59 | kd3 | if you start the launcher multiple times and get the same window again and again, start wow directly |
| 03:32.05 | Adys | kd3: client patch? |
| 03:32.09 | kd3 | soon |
| 03:32.12 | Adys | or just launcher update |
| 03:32.14 | Adys | ffs |
| 03:32.19 | Legorol | when you get into serious tanking, you'll use HS on every swing though, and sometimes revenge is not available |
| 03:32.21 | kd3 | launcher update today, 3.1.1a in the next few days |
| 03:32.28 | kd3 | points at the wiki |
| 03:32.50 | Legorol | Elly, another thing i'd drop is improved disciplines and improved spell reflect |
| 03:32.58 | Legorol | they are fun to play with, but in the long run i didn't find them useful |
| 03:33.34 | Legorol | however, blizz has done a great job at revamping the prot warrior tree |
| 03:33.43 | Legorol | a lot of these talents are now down to individual preference |
| 03:33.56 | Legorol | it used to be such that there was basically a set of talents you *had to* pick |
| 03:34.22 | Legorol | speaking of wrath... |
| 03:34.40 | Legorol | i'm running as Fury atm on my warrior, so i have both shield slam and bloodthirst available in def. stance |
| 03:34.52 | Legorol | anyone has any idea which one does more threat? i have 3/3 tac mastery |
| 03:34.58 | Elly | my next few talent points are: Warbringer, Crit Block x3, Sword and Board x3, Damage Shield x2, Shockwave |
| 03:35.07 | Elly | that takes me to level 65 |
| 03:35.30 | Adys | wine-users "wow memory error" |
| 03:35.32 | Adys | Ubuntu 8.04 Integrated ATI card. |
| 03:35.33 | Legorol | sounds good, but get s&b before crit block imo |
| 03:35.34 | Adys | I stopped reading there |
| 03:35.51 | Elly | I don't have enough points in prot to get S&B before then :( |
| 03:35.58 | Legorol | oh you can't :( |
| 03:36.00 | Legorol | yeah |
| 03:36.04 | Elly | currently I am at 41 in prot, so Warbringer and Crit Block x3 brings me to 45 |
| 03:36.28 | Elly | after that maybe Armored To The Teeth? I don't know |
| 03:37.18 | Elly | or I can start to wander further down Arms to get Impale & Deep Wounds |
| 03:37.29 | Legorol | sadly ATTT doesn't benefit shield slam anymore since they "fixed" it |
| 03:37.53 | Legorol | cruelty is actually a good talent for a tank |
| 03:38.07 | Legorol | i know it's not obvious |
| 03:38.14 | Elly | why? |
| 03:38.58 | Legorol | all your abilities that generate threat can crit... so cruelty means, each point you spend in it is 1% extra threat generated |
| 03:39.12 | Elly | ooh, it's true |
| 03:39.29 | Legorol | (it's not 100% equivalent because of the sunder threat bonus on devastate, but it's close enough to be a good approximation) |
| 03:39.30 | Elly | and then maybe I can take Unbridled Wrath |
| 03:39.39 | Legorol | no, you shouldn't |
| 03:39.48 | Legorol | you will have more than enough rage when mobs are hitting you |
| 03:40.14 | Elly | hrm, true |
| 03:40.43 | Elly | maybe instead ATTT + Booming Voice + Cruelty, to get me to Blood Craze? |
| 03:40.47 | Elly | except tanks never take crits |
| 03:40.53 | Legorol | yeah |
| 03:41.01 | Legorol | if you want to spend anything in fury, get imp. demo shout |
| 03:41.15 | Elly | yeah |
| 03:41.18 | Legorol | or you can wander deeper in arms |
| 03:41.31 | Elly | well, after I have 52 points in prot, I'm done with it |
| 03:41.38 | Legorol | imp charge is good for soloing, tac mastery is soso |
| 03:41.52 | Elly | so I have 19 points to mess around with |
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| 03:41.55 | Legorol | getting down to deep wounds is not bad |
| 03:42.17 | Legorol | you will want to pick up imp. TC though eventually |
| 03:42.21 | Legorol | so save some points for that :) |
| 03:42.25 | Legorol | and probably incite too |
| 03:42.43 | Thunder_Child | why yes, i am improved |
| 03:42.50 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:42.51 | Thunder_Child | now, stop pinging me! |
| 03:42.54 | ZorbaGama | elly, http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LVZhxZVItrx0zidIzsGo - this is sort of the standard prot warrior talent build. there's 4 points you can toss around, usually in Spell Reflect, Improved Disciplines, Puncture, Improved Charge, or Improved Heroic Strike |
| 03:42.57 | Elly | if the crits make them generate more threat, then I do want them |
| 03:43.08 | Legorol | yes it does |
| 03:43.26 | ZorbaGama | there's a modified version with Deep Wounds, which is a nice build for damage but a little flimsier - I've heard it's basically worse until you're raid-geared |
| 03:43.42 | ajmitch | ZorbaGama: it mostly only loses 3% block |
| 03:43.45 | ZorbaGama | and note that until you hit 80, you just fundamentally don't have to worry about maximizing threat at the moment. :) |
| 03:43.54 | Elly | ah, no Improved Disciplines or Spell Reflect? |
| 03:43.58 | Legorol | ZorbaGama: i tend to encourage upcoming tanks to play with a spec of their choosing first, before giving them cookie cutter builds |
| 03:44.10 | ZorbaGama | elly, those are both useful, but they're floating points |
| 03:44.16 | ZorbaGama | legorol, yeah, fair enough |
| 03:44.31 | Legorol | actually it's true for any class/spec |
| 03:44.39 | Legorol | i don't give them cookie cutters :) |
| 03:45.34 | Legorol | Elly: do you find that soloing in def. stance works out best? |
| 03:45.38 | Elly | yes |
| 03:45.47 | Legorol | once you get warbringer, you will love it even more |
| 03:45.49 | Elly | I've been in defensive stance nonstop since I got it, except for trying out berserker stance :) |
| 03:45.52 | Legorol | charge from mob to mob :) |
| 03:45.52 | Elly | I miss Charge |
| 03:45.53 | AbsolutRayne | Parts Recovery Technician's Mechano Kick hits Absolutrayne for 22407 Physical.(1267 Blocked) (3654 Overkill) |
| 03:45.54 | Elly | yeah |
| 03:46.13 | Legorol | AbsolutRayne: aye, they are a bitch |
| 03:46.21 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 03:46.25 | AbsolutRayne | And im a tank whaaaaaaa |
| 03:46.28 | Legorol | they hit for 28k on anything |
| 03:46.31 | AbsolutRayne | ends his QQ moment |
| 03:46.38 | Legorol | their Kick thing isn't mitigated by armor |
| 03:46.46 | Legorol | it's dealy |
| 03:46.46 | ajmitch | AbsolutRayne: we've spent much time on this QQ today :) |
| 03:46.50 | Legorol | and there rae four of them |
| 03:46.55 | Legorol | aye, we did |
| 03:47.03 | Legorol | my raid wiped for 2 hours on that trash |
| 03:47.56 | Elly | how are you supposed to kill them? |
| 03:48.17 | kd3 | tanks with more than 27000 hp? |
| 03:48.37 | Elly | but then after your tank takes the first hit, you have to heal for 28k before the next hit... |
| 03:48.47 | ajmitch | feels squishy in there with only 30k HP unbuffed |
| 03:49.07 | Elly | has 3759 HP unbuffed :P |
| 03:49.10 | ajmitch | they don't kick that often |
| 03:49.10 | Elly | I'm looking forward to BC gear a lot |
| 03:49.11 | Legorol | Elly: three healers on the tank pumping out 8k heals :o) |
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| 03:49.28 | AbsolutRayne | I have 40.9 with Flask and Food |
| 03:49.30 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 03:49.31 | AbsolutRayne | as a Warrior |
| 03:49.43 | Legorol | AbsolutRayne: that's pretty good |
| 03:49.52 | Legorol | my DK doesn't have that much and i get a 10% boost |
| 03:50.08 | AbsolutRayne | Gear isnt 100% awesome though |
| 03:50.18 | AbsolutRayne | since Last Laugh has had the Last Laugh every naxx kill |
| 03:50.20 | Legorol | 40.9 with only flask+food is imba |
| 03:50.20 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 03:50.41 | Elly | I get to go to Hellfire Peninsula in three levels :) |
| 03:50.47 | Legorol | Elly: buffs you get in a 25-man raid boost your health insanely |
| 03:51.00 | Elly | I'm not going to be in a 25-man anytime soon :P |
| 03:51.10 | Legorol | our feral druid tank has 36k Hp unbuffed, but gets up to ~50k buffed |
| 03:51.16 | Legorol | bit less but close |
| 03:51.45 | Legorol | Elly: i know, i'm just saying that's how you survive that kind of stuff |
| 03:52.00 | Legorol | and by having protective spells on you, like power word: shield, prayer of mending etc. |
| 03:52.40 | Hirsute | Holy crap. 50k HP? |
| 03:52.47 | Legorol | that's post nerf :( |
| 03:52.57 | Legorol | in his stamina gear for our Sart 3D kills, he was 55k+ |
| 03:53.16 | AbsolutRayne | Any Tricks to XT-002s trash guys? |
| 03:53.19 | Hirsute | That's *so* much health. |
| 03:53.27 | Legorol | AbsolutRayne: yes, i believe i now have tricks :) |
| 03:53.31 | Legorol | we were discussing it earlier |
| 03:53.32 | Hirsute | I remember the KZ days of 16k health being a good amount. |
| 03:53.44 | Legorol | 1) tank them in the hallway leading up to XT's door to give yourself spacce |
| 03:53.49 | Legorol | 2) spread the raid. a lot |
| 03:53.55 | Legorol | 3) split the mobs and use as many tanks as you can |
| 03:54.07 | Legorol | 4) CC/snare/kite as many technicians as you can, and kill the ones you can't |
| 03:54.11 | Elly | The least fun part of WoW so far is PvP. I don't PvP well at all :( |
| 03:54.22 | Hirsute | So, anyone in here done the ramp technique for tanking the first boss in H GunDrak? |
| 03:54.33 | ajmitch | Hirsute: yes |
| 03:54.34 | Hirsute | Elly: I avoid PvP at all costs. |
| 03:54.36 | Legorol | AbsolutRayne: don't make the mistake that we did: those bots that jump on you look dangerous but aren't |
| 03:54.46 | Hirsute | ajmitch: Is it your preferred way of doing it? |
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| 03:54.58 | Legorol | AbsolutRayne: the technicians are the deadliest thing in there |
| 03:55.08 | ajmitch | Hirsute: not when I was healing on my holy paladin with an all-melee group, but it works well most times |
| 03:55.21 | Elly | Hirsute: it's really hard in prot spec |
| 03:55.49 | DWSR | what's the easiest way to kite as a destrolock with shadowfury and a hunter? |
| 03:55.53 | ajmitch | Elly: wait until you get a decent amount of health & those top-level prot talents |
| 03:55.54 | Hirsute | ajmitch: I just did it for the first time (I was playing my hunter). It was really difficult to *see* the snakes heading for the healer to keep them off of him. |
| 03:55.55 | DWSR | I'm having problems kiting with Gluth |
| 03:56.02 | Elly | one of my friends who started at the same time as me is a mage and he has no trouble PvPing |
| 03:56.10 | Hirsute | I'm thinking I prefer the tank-in-the-middle-of-the-room method. |
| 03:56.15 | Hirsute | Elly: I just suck at it. |
| 03:56.20 | Legorol | ajmitch: why would you want to tank Moorabi on a ramp? |
| 03:56.28 | DWSR | Hirsute: ? |
| 03:56.35 | ajmitch | Legorol: first boss being the one that has snakes |
| 03:56.44 | Legorol | no way, you always do Moorabi first |
| 03:56.51 | Legorol | so you can try for Less-Rabi achi and if fail, reset instance |
| 03:56.55 | ajmitch | I've never done moorabi first |
| 03:57.03 | Legorol | then you should start getting used to it :o) |
| 03:57.03 | Hirsute | I've never done Moorabi first either. |
| 03:57.13 | Hirsute | Always that snake boss. |
| 03:57.18 | Hirsute | So far |
| 03:57.19 | Legorol | that's because most groups just enter the instance next to the summon stone |
| 03:57.20 | ajmitch | only if you're lusting after achievements :) |
| 03:57.25 | Legorol | many people don't even know there is another entrance |
| 03:57.29 | Hirsute | Legorol: Yep. |
| 03:57.34 | Hirsute | I didn't |
| 03:57.56 | Legorol | I usually make the group take Moorabi first, then go out and back in through the other one |
| 03:57.57 | ajmitch | the other entrance is the one closest to the graveyard |
| 03:58.09 | Trela | gets one of those mind boggling errors. |
| 03:58.13 | Legorol | so I usually take the canonical "3rd" boss first, and the "1st" boss 2nd |
| 03:58.27 | Hirsute | Anyhow, I was just wondering if other people had bad experiences with the ramp tanking there. |
| 03:58.34 | Legorol | yes i have |
| 03:58.36 | Hirsute | It seemed overly complicated. |
| 03:58.52 | Legorol | it's usually a very good thing if your tank is a good aoe tank like pali or DK |
| 03:59.00 | Legorol | noone has to move, and all snakes get picked up nicely |
| 03:59.23 | Hirsute | Every other time I've done it, we tanked him in the middle of the room, and it worked out fine. We wiped 3 times with this method, and then two people dropped group, so we called it. |
| 03:59.49 | Legorol | it's something you have to get used to (i mean the strategy) |
| 03:59.54 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 03:59.56 | Legorol | but once you are used to it, i think it's preferable |
| 04:00.02 | Wobin | Legorol: why take them out and back in? |
| 04:00.08 | Wobin | why not just go 3,2,1? |
| 04:00.10 | Hirsute | I just need to get used to seeing those stupid snakes heading up the ramp to the healer. |
| 04:00.19 | Legorol | Wobin: because 3,2,1 involves clearing a bunch of trash |
| 04:00.26 | Legorol | which you can skip if you are coming from the other side |
| 04:00.34 | Legorol | so i go 3,1,2 |
| 04:00.42 | Wobin | true |
| 04:00.59 | Hirsute | Generally what would happen is one or two snakes would get up the ramp, without anyone noticing, and wrap the healer, and it would all go downhill from there. |
| 04:01.10 | Wobin | also, if dps isn't good enough |
| 04:01.14 | Wobin | nothing you do will help |
| 04:01.14 | Legorol | Hirsute: aye, that's the bad part i was thinking about :) |
| 04:01.22 | Legorol | if one snake gets past, you are screwed ;) |
| 04:01.28 | AbsolutRayne | We just got rocked on the Trash again |
| 04:01.39 | Legorol | AbsolutRayne: that trash group is HARD |
| 04:01.43 | Legorol | tell your raid to take it very seriously |
| 04:01.51 | Wobin | I tend to put the healer behind a freezing trap |
| 04:01.52 | Legorol | quite possibly people are still in Naxx trash mindset |
| 04:01.54 | Wobin | just for the warning =P |
| 04:02.02 | Wobin | (and the L&L proc...) |
| 04:02.09 | Legorol | AbsolutRayne: remind your raid how you'd do a trash group in SSC or TK or BT |
| 04:02.16 | Hirsute | We had two hunters laying down two frost traps to slow them down, maybe one freeze trap in front of the healer would have helped. |
| 04:02.23 | Legorol | properly assign CC, split mobs between tanks etc. |
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| 04:02.54 | Elly | tanking is a lot of fun :D |
| 04:03.02 | Hirsute | Anyhow. Good night all, I'm about to turn into a pumpkin. |
| 04:03.04 | Hirsute | waves |
| 04:03.20 | Nuckin | (0,0) of a texture is the upper left, correct? |
| 04:03.54 | Taroven | Anyone know if it's possible to use SetBlendMode on a statusbar, or otherwise adjust the alphamode of one? |
| 04:04.26 | Nuckin | Taroven: SetAlpha()? |
| 04:04.30 | Legorol | nice chatting folks, good night |
| 04:05.20 | Taroven | Nuckin: Not quite, I want to set my oUF bars to add rather than blend |
| 04:06.18 | Nuckin | well, Im not familiar with the differences, SetAlpha does everything i ask =P |
| 04:06.44 | Taroven | SetAlpha sets a specific alpha value for an object, which is normally fine |
| 04:07.03 | Taroven | But I have a really cool idea for my unitframes that requires a different alphamode |
| 04:07.16 | Taroven | http://www.wowwiki.com/AlphaMode |
| 04:09.27 | Taroven | SetAlpha(0.7)+SetBlendMode("ADD") would be about what I'm aiming for... just dunno if I'm able to do it on a statusbar (statusbar object type doesn't take setblendmode apparently) |
| 04:12.10 | Iriel | You could write your own statusbar using a SetTexCoord'ed texture |
| 04:12.27 | Nuckin | this is bugging me, my SetTexCoord is stretching my texture instead of cutting it >.< |
| 04:12.45 | Iriel | There's an option you should enable |
| 04:12.52 | Iriel | I forget what it is but it also moves the anchors |
| 04:13.09 | Iriel | Remember that normally set tex coord changes where the corners of the frame map to in the texture, but doesn't change the location of the texture on screen |
| 04:13.12 | Taroven | Iriel: Would, but not sure how that'd work out in an ouf layout |
| 04:13.29 | Iriel | Taroven: So edit it 8-) |
| 04:13.37 | Taroven | Heh |
| 04:14.54 | Taroven | Easy hack would be to set the ouf-generated hp bar to something invisible and then anchor what I want onto it... but I dunno how to do that. >.> |
| 04:15.14 | Taroven | Haven't tried setallpoints on a statusbar lately |
| 04:15.23 | Iriel | It'd work, a frame is a frame |
| 04:15.45 | Taroven | Worth a shot I guess, heh |
| 04:16.49 | Taroven | SetAllPoints to a statusbar would just anchor my frame to the dimensions, not the current value, correct? |
| 04:18.42 | Nuckin | Iriel: SetTexCoordModifiesRect(true); |
| 04:18.47 | Nuckin | thanks :) |
| 04:19.05 | Nuckin | now this custom cast bar works |
| 04:19.32 | Iriel | Taroven: yes. |
| 04:19.37 | Iriel | Nuckin: yay. |
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| 04:20.38 | Elly | I wish the default UI had less decorations on it |
| 04:21.38 | Nuckin | Elly: "decorations":Hide(); :) |
| 04:21.48 | Elly | Nuckin: uh-huh :P |
| 04:22.32 | Taroven | Iriel: In that case, what would be the easiest way to draw my texture on top of the statusbar? (Trying to retain compatibility with stuff like ouf_smooth and such or I really would just do it all from scratch) |
| 04:22.49 | Iriel | You could hook the status bar's functions |
| 04:22.53 | Iriel | and then just paint yours |
| 04:23.00 | Iriel | set the alpha of the original one to 0 |
| 04:24.34 | Taroven | Hmm, haven't dealt with hooking too much |
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| 04:26.36 | Taroven | How would I go about doing that? |
| 04:28.34 | Taroven | (grr, hate asking this many questions) |
| 04:28.55 | Iriel | I'm sure the wiki has something to get you started? |
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| 04:29.52 | Taroven | Been hunting through wowwiki's widget api list, haven't found much so far |
| 04:31.33 | Iriel | HookScript |
| 04:31.50 | Arrowmaster | wowprogramming.com is usually more uptodate |
| 04:31.54 | Iriel | someObject:HookScript("SetValue", MyOwnSetValue) |
| 04:32.01 | Iriel | and yeah, what Arrowmaster said |
| 04:32.29 | Arrowmaster | the widget hirachy on wowprogramming.com is really good |
| 04:33.10 | Iriel | That;'s because it's kept up to date properly, I used ot do that with the wowwiki one, before the time of spam (and downtime) |
| 04:33.28 | Wobin | Torhal: Is there any way to have LibQTip wrap lines within the tooltip? |
| 04:39.00 | Taroven | Hmm... Not exactly sure how hookscript would help out with that though |
| 04:39.28 | Taroven | wishes setpoint had a way of dealing with statusbars. |
| 04:46.54 | mikma | so! I need to find a way of "duplicating" chatframe :I |
| 04:49.14 | Taroven | WAIIIIT A SEC |
| 04:49.16 | Taroven | Ha! |
| 04:49.30 | Taroven | I can do this. |
| 04:50.21 | Taroven | hooks OnValueChanged |
| 04:56.58 | Arrowmaster | mikma: for what purpose? |
| 04:58.22 | mikma | arrowmaster: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042309_072824.jpg <- to duplicate the frame on right |
| 05:01.01 | Arrowmaster | is that the combatlog? |
| 05:01.12 | mikma | the what what? |
| 05:01.31 | Arrowmaster | the frame you want to duplicate |
| 05:02.11 | mikma | yeah, the frame on the right :P |
| 05:03.05 | Arrowmaster | blizzard combatlog with modified format strings? |
| 05:03.17 | mikma | nope, i coded that one this night |
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| 05:03.53 | Arrowmaster | cant you just make it addmessage to more than one frame then? |
| 05:03.54 | mikma | now i need to create 3x frames where the text scrolls up |
| 05:05.38 | mikma | i don't want to use the last 3 combatlogs for that one, so, now i need a way of creating a scrollframe, which i have never done before |
| 05:08.18 | Wobin | Torhal: ping |
| 05:09.52 | Arrowmaster | mikma: its just a scrollingmessageframe i think, nothing special |
| 05:15.44 | mikma | arrowmaster: thanks, :) |
| 05:16.27 | kd3 | anyone mess with normal mode OS lately? |
| 05:16.36 | Adys | yea kd3 yesterday |
| 05:16.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah why? |
| 05:17.00 | kd3 | vesp's portal aura busted for you guys? |
| 05:17.08 | NightHawkTheSane | busted now? |
| 05:17.15 | kd3 | it's ticking for 2k a second |
| 05:17.16 | Adys | whelps not coming out or something? |
| 05:17.19 | Adys | oh |
| 05:17.22 | Adys | no, was fine |
| 05:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 05:17.40 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i remember something about that. |
| 05:17.56 | NightHawkTheSane | the healing seemed much more intensive in that fight than I remember |
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| 05:18.28 | NightHawkTheSane | At the time I chalked it up to my being on my lesser geared pally (vs my well geared shaman) and the raid being kinda newbish. |
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| 05:20.24 | Shadowed | prods Kaelten you there? |
| 05:23.57 | Torhal | Wobin: pong |
| 05:23.57 | Wobin | anyone recognise this screenshot from a movie? http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7512/screen23l.jpg |
| 05:24.15 | Wobin | Torhal: Is there anyway to have LibQTip wrap a line within a cell? |
| 05:24.33 | Wobin | or maybe have it span rows as it wraps? |
| 05:24.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ZOMG! |
| 05:24.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Bacon Cures Hangovers! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/5118283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html |
| 05:25.02 | NightHawkTheSane | worships the bacon. |
| 05:25.12 | Torhal | Hmm...never tried to have it wrap within a cell. Though ther are Column spans. You can have a cell span more than one column |
| 05:26.13 | Wobin | I'm trying to limit the width of the final tooltip |
| 05:26.23 | Wobin | so wrapping one of the columns will save space |
| 05:27.46 | Torhal | The only way I can think of off the top of my head is to manually insert a newline, but I'm not even sure that's possible in a fontstring |
| 05:28.04 | Torhal | If you adjust the width of the cell, it truncates with a ... |
| 05:28.33 | Wobin | hm that may be possible |
| 05:29.06 | Torhal | If it worked, you'd also have to manually set the height of the entire column |
| 05:29.10 | Torhal | Err, row |
| 05:29.20 | Wobin | woo I'll go that route and manually insert newlines |
| 05:29.27 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:30.20 | Torhal | The easiest way, I think, would be to cut the string off where you wanted to wrap, then AddLine() and SetCell() in the appropriate column. |
| 05:30.45 | Wobin | aye, that actually might be easier |
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| 05:31.52 | kd3 | whee... busted firewalls |
| 05:32.09 | bleeter | btw http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474241980&sid=1 ... post 3 is where the thread gets super interesting |
| 05:32.32 | bleeter | er.. post 2 |
| 05:32.35 | Wobin | maybe write an iterator, that given a string returns sized sections |
| 05:32.47 | bleeter | reply 2... post 3. /sigh |
| 05:32.50 | bleeter | HI WOBIN |
| 05:33.03 | kd3 | I think every guild has an oprah windfury |
| 05:33.11 | kd3 | server |
| 05:33.18 | bleeter | post above that, kd3 |
| 05:33.28 | bleeter | Doskas |
| 05:33.38 | bleeter | tho as I've had to explain the joke... kinda loses it a bit imo |
| 05:33.46 | bleeter | moves along |
| 05:33.47 | kd3 | har |
| 05:37.20 | Diskmaster | Man, it's been a while since I played the game |
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| 05:41.14 | kd3 | now that we've got coords in OS someone needs to write a mod to track the longest throw from the fire cyclones |
| 05:43.41 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 05:43.52 | Thunder_Child | wth is zoot when you need him |
| 05:48.14 | NightHawkTheSane | getting shitfaced, no doubt,. |
| 05:50.56 | DWSR | anyone know how I can open up a 536mb text file on Windows without stuff crashing? |
| 05:52.22 | NightHawkTheSane | boot into linux? :D |
| 05:52.26 | Torhal|Sleep | DWSR: Get a better text editor? |
| 05:52.27 | DWSR | sigh |
| 05:52.30 | Torhal|Sleep | Try Emacs :) |
| 05:52.31 | Diskmaster | ... 536mb text file. What are you reading the uncut version of war and peace? |
| 05:52.39 | DWSR | Diskmaster: Combat log.... |
| 05:52.48 | Torhal | Diskmaster: So, mostly War. |
| 05:52.50 | Adys | kd3: you still here? |
| 05:52.58 | Diskmaster | hahaha |
| 05:53.13 | kd3 | for the next few minutes |
| 05:53.24 | Adys | kd3: you had a mx revolution didnt you? |
| 05:53.29 | kd3 | still do |
| 05:53.37 | Adys | do you have any problems with the charger pod? |
| 05:53.45 | kd3 | nope |
| 05:53.51 | Adys | as in, having to tweak/move the mouse around on it to get it to charge |
| 05:53.52 | Adys | hm |
| 05:54.08 | kd3 | other than getting it set properly, if I leave it to charge it's done when I get back |
| 05:54.24 | Adys | yeah not the charging itself |
| 05:54.43 | Adys | just, its not having contact if I put the mouse all the way |
| 05:54.47 | Adys | I need to leave like 1mm of space |
| 05:55.32 | Adys | anyway off to bed |
| 05:55.34 | Adys | good night |
| 06:03.55 | Shirik | Anyone here good with OpenSSL? |
| 06:04.08 | Shirik | I'm getting an error when verifying a certificate |
| 06:04.14 | Shirik | "error 2 at 1 depth lookup:unable to get issuer certificate" |
| 06:04.25 | Iriel | You have it configured to follow cert chains |
| 06:04.32 | Iriel | and you haven't told it how to find the issuer cert |
| 06:04.33 | Iriel | I think |
| 06:04.45 | Shirik | I think I pointed to the cert with -CAfile |
| 06:05.19 | Shirik | I used openssl verify -verbose -purpose sslclient -CAfile ./level2_tls.crt /home/shirik/minionTest.crt |
| 06:05.29 | Shirik | where level2_tls.crt is the CA that issued minionTest.crt |
| 06:05.34 | Shirik | CA cert( |
| 06:07.17 | mikma | wobin: PING! :D |
| 06:08.08 | mikma | wobin: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042309_090717.jpg |
| 06:08.26 | Wobin | looks good =) |
| 06:08.36 | mikma | until i show the code ^^ |
| 06:08.41 | Wobin | you should boldfont the crits =) |
| 06:08.57 | mikma | hot idea |
| 06:10.05 | mikma | wobin: http://mikma.pastey.net/112905 <- i'm sure there's alot of better ways to do this. but this is the first working version i was able to do :D |
| 06:12.39 | mikma | altho, i'm not entirely sure how is it possible to use a different font in the ScrollingMessageFrame without the risk of every font changing |
| 06:13.16 | Wobin | You can put in a skull icon for damage crits |
| 06:13.28 | Wobin | and a triangle one for heal crits |
| 06:15.08 | mikma | icons might work much better |
| 06:15.15 | mikma | and they are easy to add, too! |
| 06:17.33 | bleeter | Shirik: hmm going back a fair way. I seem to recall using -CApath because -CAfile only handles one .crt at a time.. or somwething like that |
| 06:18.00 | Shirik | yeah I tried -CApath too but I get a similar error :/ |
| 06:18.18 | Shirik | Here's my setup: A signed B, B signed C. C is a personal certificate, A is a trusted root CA, B is an intermediate CA |
| 06:18.32 | Shirik | So I put the certs for A and B in the same folder, with nothing else, and ran this |
| 06:18.58 | Shirik | [shirik@web02 level2_tls]$ openssl verify -CApath ./certs/ -purpose sslclient /home/shirik/minionTest.crt |
| 06:18.58 | Shirik | /home/shirik/minionTest.crt: /C=US/ST=VA/L=Clifton/O=MMOUI/OU=MMOUI Minion/CN=Minion Test Client - Shirik |
| 06:18.58 | Shirik | error 20 at 0 depth lookup:unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 06:19.28 | Shirik | and now I want to bash my head against a wall |
| 06:22.22 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, can you make the party frames go away when you go into a raid, not just untill you have at least 6 people |
| 06:24.16 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: yES. |
| 06:24.17 | DWSR | Yes* |
| 06:24.28 | DWSR | not logged in atm, but it's possible to do |
| 06:24.33 | DWSR | I think there's an option about 5 man raids |
| 06:25.14 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, yes, however if you only have 5 people or less and you convert to a raid they dont go away till the 5th person joins |
| 06:25.24 | Thunder_Child | 6th* |
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| 06:25.47 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Like I said, it's an opt you need to flip. |
| 06:26.14 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, it's not under groups, where else would it be? |
| 06:26.31 | DWSR | I'm not sure. Not logged in atm. |
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| 06:27.38 | Shirik | Now that I look at it |
| 06:27.43 | mikma | wobin: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042309_092640.jpg what do you think? worth it? |
| 06:27.53 | Shirik | my intermediate CA doesn't seem to say it's allowed to sign certificates |
| 06:28.07 | Shirik | but shouldn't openssl have picked this up when I tried to sign a cert with it? |
| 06:28.13 | Shirik | (not now that I'm verifying it?) |
| 06:29.46 | Arrowmaster | i think it would allow you anyway, maybe only warn you at the most |
| 06:30.16 | bleeter | because creation and verification are two different things? |
| 06:30.29 | Shirik | well if I'm not allowed to sign it |
| 06:30.32 | Shirik | why would you let me sign it! |
| 06:30.52 | Shirik | anyway, on my root CA I see this |
| 06:30.54 | Shirik | X509v3 Key Usage: |
| 06:30.54 | Shirik | Certificate Sign, CRL Sign |
| 06:30.59 | Arrowmaster | since you can make self signed certs and such, i doubt you have to specifically flag it as allowed to sign so it can sign itself |
| 06:31.17 | Shirik | on my intermediate CA, I see no "X509v3 Key Usage" section |
| 06:31.43 | Arrowmaster | are you using a cert from a real CA? |
| 06:31.49 | Shirik | no |
| 06:31.50 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 06:31.55 | Shirik | self signed root CA |
| 06:32.06 | Fisker- | why did they have to make a minor patch to fix exorcism tooltip? O_o |
| 06:32.22 | DWSR | Because paladins don't need more buffs, kthxbai. |
| 06:32.41 | bleeter | Fisker-: they did a survey a month or two ago asking people if they wanted more frequent minor patches for tooltips and simple stuff that doesn't really need rigourous testing |
| 06:32.46 | DWSR | ~Fisker-++ |
| 06:32.47 | Wobin | mikma: aue |
| 06:32.49 | Wobin | aye |
| 06:32.55 | bleeter | Fisker-: I'm guessing this is party of that, and also they have some hidden fixes behind it too ;) |
| 06:33.18 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker- |
| 06:33.18 | purl | fisker- has karma of -2 |
| 06:33.21 | DWSR | only -2? |
| 06:33.25 | Shirik | ! |
| 06:33.39 | DWSR | getting REALLY close to positive. |
| 06:33.46 | DWSR | Someone might just karma bomb you. |
| 06:33.50 | mikma | wobin: wassit? |
| 06:33.53 | Thunder_Child | i'm starting to feel bad for Fisker- now |
| 06:33.55 | Shirik | ~Fisker--- |
| 06:34.04 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 06:34.06 | mikma | what the |
| 06:34.12 | mikma | ~fisker--- |
| 06:34.14 | Wobin | mikma: that looks good |
| 06:34.29 | bleeter | ~Fisker--- |
| 06:34.32 | DWSR | infinite loops ~Fisker++ |
| 06:34.34 | mikma | couple of days ago he had -5 |
| 06:35.04 | Fisker- | true bleeter |
| 06:35.35 | mikma | wobin: need some cool if elseif else -function now that adds the marks in =D |
| 06:35.43 | bleeter | s/party/part/ |
| 06:35.59 | Fisker- | looks like the patch fucked ventrilo |
| 06:36.06 | Fisker- | you can't use push to talk ingame |
| 06:36.18 | mikma | yes you can |
| 06:36.32 | NightHawkTheSane | just your copy Fisker- |
| 06:36.33 | Fisker- | talking with 2 others that can't |
| 06:36.35 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a personal slap in the face. |
| 06:36.37 | Thunder_Child | you have to elevate it |
| 06:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | To you, from blizzard. |
| 06:36.50 | Syzgyn | Definitely doing it right now |
| 06:36.55 | mikma | well whole guild was able to 12h ago |
| 06:37.21 | Fisker- | mikma was the new patch out 12 hours ago? |
| 06:37.29 | Fisker- | And it also appears the problem is the mouse |
| 06:37.36 | mikma | 3.1.1? |
| 06:38.02 | Fisker- | 3.1.1a |
| 06:38.50 | bleeter | pfft if blizz have any balls next build will be 3.1.4 |
| 06:40.15 | Arrowmaster | 3.1.1a isnt even out yet |
| 06:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | 3.1.4, build 15926? |
| 06:40.37 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: yes |
| 06:40.43 | Fisker- | looks like a game restart fixed it |
| 06:40.52 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i would pay money to see that. |
| 06:41.32 | Wobin | can anyone think of a way to split a string by character count? |
| 06:41.33 | bleeter | bleeter & nhts to blizz: How white and nerdy are you really?? |
| 06:42.42 | Zhinjio | am I remembering this right? %a won't match double-byte characters, right? |
| 06:42.58 | Shirik | None of lua understands unicode |
| 06:43.05 | Zhinjio | k |
| 06:43.06 | Wobin | oh, hm, string.sub I guess |
| 06:44.32 | mikma | wobin: while at it, find the "count of digits" =D |
| 06:44.47 | Wobin | mikma: #stringname |
| 06:45.07 | mikma | wobin: see? told ya it exists hehe |
| 06:45.40 | mikma | lua> print(#9000) |
| 06:45.41 | lua_bot | mikma: luabot:1: attempt to get length of a number value |
| 06:45.53 | mikma | =( |
| 06:47.18 | Wobin | cause it aint a string |
| 06:47.59 | mikma | g-string |
| 06:50.29 | mikma | lua> print(#tostring(os.time())) |
| 06:50.30 | lua_bot | mikma: 10 |
| 06:51.11 | Trela | lue> print(time()) |
| 06:51.24 | Trela | lua> print(time()) |
| 06:51.25 | lua_bot | Trela: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 06:52.10 | krka | lua> debug.setmetatable(0, {__len = function(x) return x en d}) print("len of", 10, "=", #10) |
| 06:52.10 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: 'end' expected near 'en' |
| 06:52.14 | krka | lua> debug.setmetatable(0, {__len = function(x) return x end}) print("len of", 10, "=", #10) |
| 06:52.14 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
| 06:57.53 | DWSR | Is Hateful honor-only now? |
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| 06:58.55 | Taroven | YARGH... Why is SetTexCoord being such a pain? |
| 07:04.22 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/719690b8c535b04ed90739aa02a051c1.png |
| 07:04.48 | Wobin | ugly as sin |
| 07:05.01 | Wobin | but it's getting somewhere |
| 07:06.14 | Trela | Wobin, is your experience bar built into your bar at the top? |
| 07:06.33 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 07:06.35 | Wobin | Xparky |
| 07:07.17 | Trela | Interesting. |
| 07:11.14 | nevcairiel | whats a good master looter mod? |
| 07:11.34 | tekkub | giving ML to someone else |
| 07:11.59 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:12.07 | Shirik | 'I think I finally found out why openssl verify is failing |
| 07:12.10 | Shirik | Someone want to translate this for me? |
| 07:12.36 | Wobin | Your hovercraft is full of eels. |
| 07:12.53 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/112906 |
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| 07:14.08 | Wobin | oh look. LOTRO is offering me a week of play at 25% xp boost =\ |
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| 07:29.53 | Shirik | ok, I have determined that I have invented a new error |
| 07:29.58 | Shirik | error 39 is not listed in the man pages at all |
| 07:30.04 | Shirik | it stops at 32, and skips straight to 50 |
| 07:32.23 | Fisker- | there's a zombie on your lawn |
| 07:32.33 | Shirik | ! |
| 07:33.56 | Fisker- | it's super effective |
| 07:38.56 | Fisker- | i just want to merge my account Shirik |
| 07:41.07 | Fisker- | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/04/23/swedish-isps-ignoring-requests-to-block-the-pirate-bay <-gj! |
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| 07:45.42 | Shirik | cries |
| 07:45.47 | Shirik | why is this so hard |
| 07:46.58 | Thunder_Child | because you took the pill |
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| 07:48.14 | Jamash | the red pill? |
| 07:53.59 | Thunder_Child | the "i have a hard penis" pill |
| 07:56.07 | Thunder_Child | is there a way to supress certian nameplates? eg. filering? |
| 07:57.12 | Thunder_Child | filtering* |
| 07:58.52 | nevcairiel | only the filters wow gives you |
| 07:59.12 | Shirik | wow, Windows gets really pissy when you tell it to delete a trusted root CA cert |
| 08:01.26 | Fisker- | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-lawyer-is-biased-calls-for-a-retrial-090423/ <-hurr |
| 08:02.17 | Fisker- | Did it conjecture that your mother was a prostitute? |
| 08:03.23 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: your face is a mistrial |
| 08:04.03 | jnwhiteh | kk ? |
| 08:04.42 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: i may be comign back to cyclone! |
| 08:04.47 | jnwhiteh | wait |
| 08:04.48 | jnwhiteh | another patch? |
| 08:05.05 | jnwhiteh | or is this a launcher patch? |
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| 08:05.12 | nevcairiel | launcher patch |
| 08:05.21 | nevcairiel | the "another patch" will only launch soon |
| 08:05.26 | jnwhiteh | kk =) |
| 08:05.38 | Fisker- | come to ravencrest jnwhiteh :( |
| 08:05.46 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: prolly not |
| 08:05.58 | Fisker- | i will hate you |
| 08:06.05 | jnwhiteh | you already do |
| 08:06.09 | jnwhiteh | wheres the change? |
| 08:06.17 | Fisker- | They fixed the exorcism tooltip |
| 08:06.17 | Jamash | they're doing a patch to fix one tooltip? |
| 08:06.22 | Jamash | that's unprecedented |
| 08:06.25 | Fisker- | Jamash "apparently" |
| 08:06.32 | Fisker- | I doubt it |
| 08:06.39 | Fisker- | But it's the only thing they're willing to admit |
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| 08:10.31 | Fisker- | And they didn't even clear the cache |
| 08:10.39 | Fisker- | so everyone will see the old tooltip anyways |
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| 08:17.51 | zenzelezz | are spell tooltips cached? |
| 08:23.19 | Fisker- | yep |
| 08:23.19 | Fisker- | also i thought the patch was already out |
| 08:23.19 | Sargeras | are chat channel settings stored server-side? |
| 08:23.19 | Fisker- | but it isn't :o |
| 08:25.17 | Jamash | Fisker-: There was a tools patch but not a game patch |
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| 08:27.25 | Shirik | I'm really getting sick of these nightly disconnects |
| 08:27.41 | Shirik | I'm convinced my ISP truly believes nobody is awake at 4 AM |
| 08:28.27 | Jamash | I'm getting disconnected from wow but not the internets |
| 08:28.50 | Shirik | I seem to have about a 75% packet loss right now |
| 08:29.12 | Jamash | ouch |
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| 08:40.56 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 08:40.57 | purl | ~pong |
| 08:41.21 | Shirik | I can't contact google |
| 08:41.24 | Shirik | that's pretty epic |
| 08:41.30 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 08:41.40 | jnwhiteh | WG victory with 3 vehicles versus their 18 |
| 08:41.41 | nevcairiel | its anti-shirik day at google |
| 08:41.41 | jnwhiteh | whoops :P |
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| 09:08.22 | Fisker- | harasses jnwhiteh |
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| 09:29.53 | Fisker- | i lol'd so hard |
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| 10:19.06 | Arrowmaster | is it just me or is this page kinda borked? http://www.quantcast.com/app.wowmatrix.com |
| 10:20.01 | Arrowmaster | oh theyve requested the details be hidden |
| 10:21.13 | Arrowmaster | btw the wowmatrix client sends a request to pixel.quantserve.com on load with a reffer of app.wowmatrix.com |
| 10:22.17 | Arrowmaster | using one of their random useragents too, so i wonder if that messes with quantcast's metrics |
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| 10:53.02 | zenzelezz | "does these two equip's stack? <link two heirlooms>" "if you manage to wear t[w]o shoulders at the same time, sure" |
| 10:53.54 | Taroven | http://hdimage.org/images/atn9m722csh31fidq0gx_ocrnhot042309064148.jpg (ignore WeaponRebuff, wasn't supposed to be enabled there) |
| 10:55.39 | Taroven | 7am, /crash |
| 10:55.46 | zenzelezz | not bad, fairly clean |
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| 10:56.01 | Taroven | Yeah, was working on replacing OnScreenHealth |
| 10:56.43 | Taroven | Gonna be getting rid of the cooldown timer in favor of cooldownbuttons to the right of the playerframe, may set tot[ot] to not be classcolored bars |
| 10:57.21 | Taroven | And if I can ever get Buffed to work, I'd be using that. =\ |
| 10:57.50 | Taroven | crashes for real. |
| 11:13.17 | Ycarene | I wonder if someone could make a WoW addon version of portage... |
| 11:13.41 | krka | gief apt-get addon |
| 11:13.49 | krka | but it would mostly just work for open source addons |
| 11:14.50 | Ycarene | what addons aren't open source? |
| 11:15.39 | krka | what addons are open source? |
| 11:16.26 | krka | i know there are some, but i don't think it's extremely common with gpl or bsd or mit |
| 11:18.14 | zenzelezz | just because the lua is plain text doesn't mean it's open source automatically |
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| 11:19.03 | krka | i don't think lightheaded is open source |
| 11:19.08 | jnwhiteh | its not. |
| 11:19.22 | krka | or tomtom |
| 11:19.29 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 11:19.39 | krka | atlas is gpl though |
| 11:19.47 | krka | (i'm mostly checking the top fav on wowi now) |
| 11:19.53 | Arrowmaster | most addons are not open source |
| 11:20.09 | Arrowmaster | auctioneer is |
| 11:21.07 | krka | omen doesn't seem to be open source |
| 11:21.11 | krka | i can't find any license text at all |
| 11:21.12 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 11:21.14 | Arrowmaster | its ARR |
| 11:22.45 | Codayus | I think cartographer is GPL? |
| 11:22.45 | Arrowmaster | i have the list of addons wowmatrix is mirroring, mostly opensource, right in front of me |
| 11:22.48 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 11:22.51 | Arrowmaster | anymore |
| 11:22.57 | Codayus | My bad. |
| 11:23.17 | Arrowmaster | the version wowmatrix is mirroring is the last gpl version |
| 11:23.29 | Arrowmaster | but its not the latest version |
| 11:23.39 | Ycarene | So cartographer was gpl and now it's not? |
| 11:23.47 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 11:23.54 | Ycarene | So they did a complete rewrite? |
| 11:23.58 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:24.04 | Ycarene | ... |
| 11:24.18 | Ycarene | I don't think you can do that. |
| 11:24.45 | Ycarene | Whatever was carried over into the non-gpl version of the addon from the gpl version is still gpl. |
| 11:24.47 | Arrowmaster | the copyright holder is allowed to release new versions under a different license that is not GPL |
| 11:25.11 | Arrowmaster | no, the source of the last version to be released as GPL is still GPL |
| 11:25.31 | Ycarene | But the source from the new version contains source from the old version. |
| 11:25.33 | theorbtwo | Same thing. |
| 11:25.47 | theorbtwo | The only dicy part is if they took external patches while they were GPLed. |
| 11:25.55 | Arrowmaster | but the new version is not GPL |
| 11:26.03 | Ycarene | So the old version aren't gpl anymore either. |
| 11:26.12 | zenzelezz | they are |
| 11:26.13 | Arrowmaster | no the old versions are |
| 11:26.15 | Codayus | Ycarene: Doesn't matter. You can release a GPL and non-GPL version, then update the non-GPL version and release a new version under the non-GPL license. |
| 11:26.28 | theorbtwo | Ycarene: No. The old version is still under the GPL. |
| 11:26.36 | Ycarene | Its either one or the other I thought. |
| 11:26.46 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 11:26.51 | Arrowmaster | Ycarene: there is an exception for the copyright holder |
| 11:27.05 | Ycarene | Damnit, I gotta reread it. |
| 11:27.07 | theorbtwo | I'd be perfectly within my rights to release a new version of Cartographer, so long as I based it only upon the old, GPLed, version. |
| 11:27.11 | Codayus | Ycarene: Not at all. If you own the code you may release under 0 or more licenses, which may or may not conflict, and which may or may not grant rights to people who download it. |
| 11:27.15 | Ycarene | What version of the gpl was the old version? |
| 11:27.17 | Arrowmaster | now if somebody was to take the GPL cartographer and make a fork of it, they would have to always release it as GPL forever |
| 11:27.29 | Arrowmaster | 2 |
| 11:27.33 | zenzelezz | I think there was some discussion around this regarding GPL3 and whether the linux kernel should use it or not |
| 11:27.47 | Ycarene | GPL3 would kill linux |
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| 11:27.56 | theorbtwo | There's no exception for the copyright owner -- they own the copyright, and can use it however they want. |
| 11:28.04 | Arrowmaster | GPL2 would kill linux, thats why its LGPL2 |
| 11:28.18 | zenzelezz | I'm probably mistaken about the details |
| 11:28.25 | zenzelezz | just recall some big licence discussion a few years ago |
| 11:28.26 | Ycarene | If I remember right it completely removes the right to even link against the kernel if you don't have an open source license. |
| 11:28.28 | Codayus | Big projects have nightmares because someone will have contributed a really key patch back in 1996 or something, and now nobody can get in touch with them, and only they can agree to relicense their code under a new license. |
| 11:28.39 | theorbtwo | The interesting case would be if I had written a patch for Carto, they had accepted it, and then relicensed with my code still in it. |
| 11:28.49 | Arrowmaster | Ycarene: using GPL2 would instead of LGPL2 |
| 11:28.54 | theorbtwo | They wouldn't own the copyright to that code, only the permission to use it. |
| 11:28.57 | Ycarene | true |
| 11:29.12 | Arrowmaster | so yeah the linux kernel will never be GPL3, it could be LGPL3 though |
| 11:29.21 | Ycarene | Copywrite's last something like 90 years after the death of the author right? |
| 11:29.34 | Arrowmaster | Ycarene: and counting |
| 11:29.37 | theorbtwo | The Linux kernel *is* under the GPLv2, *not* the LGPL. |
| 11:29.38 | zenzelezz | depends what/where you are I think |
| 11:29.50 | theorbtwo | Unlike most GPLed code, it's not 2 or any later version, either, just 2 exactly. |
| 11:29.51 | Ycarene | In the US |
| 11:29.53 | zenzelezz | the Germans were nervous about Hitler's copyright on Mein Kampf running out |
| 11:30.23 | zenzelezz | (or something like that, which would make it legal for people to reprint/distribute it) |
| 11:30.30 | Ycarene | Why? (on the Mein Kampf statement) |
| 11:30.32 | Ycarene | Oh |
| 11:30.55 | theorbtwo | zenzelezz: Inside of Germany, the copyright is irrelevant; there's pretty specific laws about Natzi memoribilia. |
| 11:31.16 | Ycarene | I can understand being sensitive about that. |
| 11:31.41 | Ycarene | But you can't just bury a part of your history because you don't like it. |
| 11:31.57 | krka | one common thing to do is to accept patches under the conditions that the ownership will be transferred to the maintainers, so that they can change license and stuff |
| 11:32.01 | theorbtwo | Yes. Especially because of Holacast deniers. |
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| 11:32.35 | theorbtwo | krka: GNU itself does that, but the problem is that US law is very clear about copyright assignments -- they must be in writing, signed, and very specific. |
| 11:32.37 | krka | theorbtwo: i presume you didn't answer me there |
| 11:32.46 | Codayus | krka: Solves the issue, but requires a fair amount of forethought and organization. |
| 11:32.56 | Ycarene | I'm not quite sure how you can deny something when even now, thousands of witnesses to it are still alive. |
| 11:32.59 | krka | true |
| 11:33.04 | theorbtwo | A policy that submitting patches is an implicit copyright assignment won't work. |
| 11:33.16 | krka | that's how facebook does it! |
| 11:33.23 | Codayus | Ycarene: *shrug* I had someone mention to me the other day they wearn't convinced about the moon landings. |
| 11:33.27 | krka | for uploading photos and stuff |
| 11:33.31 | Ycarene | krka - probably wouldn't stand up in court though. |
| 11:33.52 | Codayus | Stupid people are everywhere. |
| 11:34.03 | krka | i am not convinced about usa |
| 11:34.10 | theorbtwo | There's probably a better argument for implied license then copyright assignment. |
| 11:34.14 | krka | people _say_ they've been there, but i think it's an elorate hoax |
| 11:34.25 | Codayus | krka: Oh, like Australia? |
| 11:34.25 | Ycarene | Codayus - I can understand that more than the holocaust, though there's pretty overwhelming evidence that both events were quite real. |
| 11:34.34 | Codayus | I dunno, it's be odd if there were TWO hoaxes like that running at once... |
| 11:34.44 | krka | no, australia probably exists |
| 11:35.08 | Codayus | Yeah, but you and I both knows all it's got is ruins of the Kangaroo Empire - no actual humans. |
| 11:35.21 | krka | O_o |
| 11:35.22 | Codayus | But you won't see THAT in the history books. :-/ |
| 11:35.36 | krka | I wonder what the next LTS ubuntu will be called |
| 11:35.46 | theorbtwo | Think about it this way -- in all the time since the two, nobody in the government has been incompitent enough to let it slip, and nobody in the government has thought it'd be in their best interests to break the secrecy? |
| 11:36.11 | theorbtwo | The US government simply doesn't work that well. |
| 11:36.20 | Codayus | That's what they WANT you to think. |
| 11:36.41 | Codayus | All the gross incompetence over the years has been a smokescreen to make you THINK they can't keep secrets! |
| 11:36.44 | krka | Lucid Llama is my guess |
| 11:36.52 | krka | or Lark |
| 11:36.56 | Ycarene | theorbtwo - The governtment is really bad at keeping secrets like that, top-secret research and such? Yeah, but something as public as the moon landing, with as many people involved, it'd be impossible for them to keep secret any misdirection on their part. |
| 11:38.29 | theorbtwo | Long term top-secret research, where they keep secret not only how to do what they are working on, but that they are working on it at all? |
| 11:38.30 | Ycarene | They couldn't keep the whole waterboarding/torture thing secret... |
| 11:38.49 | Ycarene | codayus - Heh, I don't think the government as a whole looks that far ahead. |
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| 11:53.35 | Aelobin | lololol blood specc + levelling is so funny xD |
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| 11:56.51 | Aelobin | coming out of every fight with full hp xD |
| 11:59.26 | Hirsute-Home | Anyone here fairly experienced with the LGPL? |
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| 12:01.34 | Aelobin | do death runes last like... forever? |
| 12:01.37 | Aelobin | until log out at least |
| 12:06.12 | jnwhiteh | Hirsute-Home: we've had plenty of experience on it over the past few years, what do you need? |
| 12:07.00 | Hirsute-Home | jnwhiteh: I know that the GPL requires any program that depends upon a GPL'd library to also be released under the GPL. Does the LGPL require this as well (I'm having a hard time finding information specific to the LGPL) |
| 12:07.19 | jnwhiteh | no it does not |
| 12:07.34 | jnwhiteh | thats why the lgpl was written, basically |
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| 12:08.47 | Hirsute-Home | Ah, wonderful. |
| 12:08.52 | Hirsute-Home | That simplifies things for me greatly. |
| 12:08.57 | Hirsute-Home | Thanks for the answer. |
| 12:09.11 | jnwhiteh | what was your concern? |
| 12:10.24 | Hirsute-Home | jnwhiteh: I'm writing an addon that I intend to release All Rights Reserved. I've found a configuration interface library that I'd like to use which is released under the LGPL. |
| 12:11.04 | jnwhiteh | then I think you're okay, but I am far from an authority=) |
| 12:11.10 | Hirsute-Home | If those two things were mutually exclusive (as they would be with the GPL), I'd be looking for another option. |
| 12:12.28 | Hirsute-Home | Cool, cool. The author of the library hangs around a few channels here, I'll probably bug him to make sure that was his intent in releasing it under the LGPL. |
| 12:13.01 | Elkano | which lib is it? |
| 12:13.25 | Aelobin | dyou have to have diseases on a target for death strike to heal you? |
| 12:13.42 | jnwhiteh | Aelobin: i don't believe so, no.. but they just changed it so i dunno |
| 12:13.46 | Hirsute-Home | Elkano: Configator |
| 12:13.48 | Elkano | since it is 5% per disease iirc, I think yes |
| 12:14.07 | Aelobin | im not noticing any big numbers coming up when i dont have diseases on =/ |
| 12:14.10 | jnwhiteh | since they removed the damage component, yeah that makes sense. |
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| 12:19.19 | Wobin | does anyone recognise which move http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7512/screen23l.jpg comes from? |
| 12:19.26 | Wobin | Aelobin: no |
| 12:19.34 | Wobin | I believe, atm it's 5% for no disease |
| 12:19.40 | Wobin | 10 for 1 and 15 for 2 |
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| 12:20.04 | Wobin | I think so Unholy don't get an advantage |
| 12:20.59 | Aelobin | i dont see any big numbers for no diseases though |
| 12:21.04 | Aelobin | i see 330 for 1 disease |
| 12:21.23 | Elkano | how much HP do you have? 16.5k? |
| 12:22.11 | Aelobin | 6.6k |
| 12:22.31 | Elkano | why did I multiply by 50 instead of 20? :/ |
| 12:22.41 | Elkano | 330 would be 5% of 6.6k |
| 12:23.14 | Aelobin | so 5% is 1 disease |
| 12:23.31 | Wobin | what level are you, Ael? |
| 12:23.35 | Aelobin | 61 |
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| 12:25.39 | Aelobin | however |
| 12:25.45 | Aelobin | i do have the deathstrike glyph |
| 12:25.47 | Aelobin | and full runic power |
| 12:26.02 | Wobin | what presence? |
| 12:26.04 | Cide | hi |
| 12:26.09 | Wobin | blood? |
| 12:26.15 | Wobin | cause that'll affect your healing too |
| 12:26.23 | Aelobin | yeh blood |
| 12:26.26 | Aelobin | no wait |
| 12:26.32 | Aelobin | frost with improved blood talent |
| 12:28.58 | Wobin | the glyph only affects the damage dealt |
| 12:29.04 | Wobin | and the healing is no longer tied to the damage |
| 12:29.08 | Wobin | only to the diseases |
| 12:30.17 | Wobin | also, blood presence will show up as an additional heal =) |
| 12:30.23 | Wobin | rather than just tied into the DS one |
| 12:31.50 | Aelobin | a deadly attack that deals 97 to 98% weapon damage plus 141 and heals the death knight for an amount based on the damage done and the number of diseases on the target |
| 12:31.54 | Aelobin | thats what my tooltip says |
| 12:32.14 | Wobin | tooltip is wrong, it won't be fixed til next patch |
| 12:32.24 | Wobin | here we go |
| 12:32.24 | Wobin | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/16473608683-death-strike-healing-nerf.html |
| 12:32.26 | Aelobin | hmm k |
| 12:32.34 | Wobin | straight from the crab himself |
| 12:33.34 | Aelobin | ty lol :) |
| 12:36.38 | zenzelezz | heh, funky. Judge in the Pirate Bay case may have been legally incompetent |
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| 12:41.24 | Wobin | zenzelezz: orly? =) |
| 12:41.38 | Wobin | linky? (if there's anything in english) |
| 12:42.17 | theorbtwo | I'm not sure "incompetent" is the right term -- he has a possible conflict of interest. |
| 12:42.32 | zenzelezz | theorbtwo: I'm not sure either, but it's what my dictionary suggested |
| 12:42.36 | theorbtwo | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/apr/23/pirate-bay-piracy |
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| 12:43.07 | zenzelezz | oh god... someone planted a Toy Train in the auction house |
| 12:43.20 | krka | eh what? |
| 12:43.25 | krka | legally incompetent? |
| 12:43.34 | krka | i just thought he was considered partial |
| 12:43.41 | theorbtwo | zenzelezz: At least in American Legal English, the word "incompetent" has a very specific legal meaning, seperate from it's normal meaning. |
| 12:43.41 | krka | or biased |
| 12:43.52 | krka | not sure what the correct legal term is here |
| 12:44.23 | theorbtwo | "Has a conflict of interest", I think. |
| 12:44.29 | krka | right |
| 12:44.36 | zenzelezz | krka: like I said, I'm only using what my dictionary said. It's a general dictionary, so it probably doesn't have very detailed juridical lingo |
| 12:50.08 | Aelobin | aww cool, with DRW you can put double diseases on :D |
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| 12:50.56 | Aelobin | only 2 count as yours tho :< |
| 12:52.51 | Fisker- | our dictionary says incompetent or disqualified :P |
| 12:54.38 | Fisker- | "He will be demand" |
| 12:54.46 | Fisker- | That's awesome english right there theorbtwo |
| 12:56.19 | Wobin | I think that usage of the word generally means they're unqualified for the position |
| 12:56.28 | Trela_ | figures some out that is devilishly evil against rogues. |
| 12:56.30 | Wobin | ie, were removed from the Bar etc |
| 12:56.32 | Trela_ | *some thing out |
| 12:56.46 | Wobin | hellfire? |
| 12:56.48 | Wobin | dots? |
| 12:57.37 | Trela_ | Death Knight's Blood Boil. It will never activate, use a rune, or start the cool down if the rogue is over ten yards away. If they are close enough it will pull them out of stealth. |
| 12:57.47 | Wobin | but it does need a target =) |
| 12:57.50 | Wobin | unfortunately =) |
| 12:57.56 | Lopeppeppy | Thank god. |
| 12:58.12 | Wobin | to prevent us from just using it randomly as a rune generator |
| 12:58.17 | Lopeppeppy | Very true |
| 12:58.25 | Wobin | but also the stealth thing |
| 12:58.40 | Wobin | then again, there's UB for the destealthing anyway |
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| 12:59.02 | Trela_ | It still works with them in stealth and no target selected as far as I can tell. |
| 12:59.09 | Wobin | also on a completely different note: http://www.threepanelsoul.com/ |
| 12:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | Upcoming patch. |
| 12:59.52 | Aelobin | Wobin: when i try blood boil it just says "missing nearby target" |
| 12:59.57 | Aelobin | so couldnt you spam it until you get the rogue? |
| 13:00.25 | Wobin | I'd have to test it |
| 13:00.35 | Wobin | but then again, I'm working from hearsay |
| 13:00.37 | Wobin | atm |
| 13:00.42 | Aelobin | :P |
| 13:00.56 | Lopeppeppy | I did read on the forums that they were changing that because of rune generation and free AoE stealth break. |
| 13:01.52 | Trela_ | Yes, basically is it basically spam until they are in range. I am sure it will be changed. |
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| 13:05.39 | Aelobin | hmm reckon a 61 blood dk can solo the overlord quest? :P |
| 13:05.56 | Wobin | yes |
| 13:06.04 | Wobin | a DK can solo just about any quest =P |
| 13:07.02 | Aelobin | xD |
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| 13:09.19 | Aelobin | Wobin: is there any point in blood strike if i have heart strike? |
| 13:09.36 | Wobin | for blood spec? Not really |
| 13:09.42 | Wobin | unless you want single target damage only |
| 13:09.57 | amro | doesn't hs do more damage than bs? |
| 13:10.01 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:10.05 | Wobin | but it's a cleave |
| 13:10.16 | amro | so it's better in every way then ;p |
| 13:10.18 | Wobin | so if you've -really- got to be careful, you can still use BS =) |
| 13:10.32 | Aelobin | if theres cc etc |
| 13:10.49 | amro | cc? what's that? :P |
| 13:11.10 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:11.13 | Aelobin | xD |
| 13:11.14 | Wobin | now in Ulduar! |
| 13:11.39 | amro | yeah, but usually keep CC'd mobs far apart |
| 13:12.58 | Lopeppeppy | Always keep cc mobs very far away. |
| 13:13.27 | Wobin | so, in the end basically, yes, you can replace BS with HS =) |
| 13:14.34 | Fisker- | gives Wobin an airballoon |
| 13:14.34 | Fisker- | weee |
| 13:14.45 | Aelobin | lol pestilence is more useful than i thought |
| 13:15.07 | amro | pestilence is a must |
| 13:15.12 | Wobin | pestilence is a total requirement |
| 13:15.49 | Fisker- | pestilence isn't up for debate |
| 13:16.04 | Wobin | Your general pattern of attack is, 1) infect your main target with diseases, 2) spread em everywhere 3) ??? 4) Profit! |
| 13:16.32 | Fisker- | i'm sorry i thought we were still doing the same sentence but with different words? |
| 13:16.42 | Fisker- | you ruin everything Wobin :( |
| 13:17.00 | Wobin | everything gets ruined by Wobin =( |
| 13:17.12 | Fisker- | true |
| 13:19.35 | Aelobin | c-c-c-combo breaker xD |
| 13:21.12 | Aelobin | <3 my blood worms xD |
| 13:21.48 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew, not over dinner. |
| 13:22.36 | Lopeppeppy | Here's your blood worm. http://news.aol.com/article/giant-sea-worm/412269 |
| 13:23.56 | Wobin | http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/friends.PNG |
| 13:24.36 | Aelobin | Lopeppeppy: yum :> |
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| 13:25.50 | Aelobin | i died on the overlord quest >_> |
| 13:28.38 | Kaelten | omg |
| 13:28.49 | Kaelten | *bangs head on wall* |
| 13:30.25 | Cairenn | waves, 13-hour-unintended-sleep later |
| 13:32.32 | nevcairiel | You should do that more often, Cairenn, its good for you =) |
| 13:33.18 | Cairenn | stretched out for (what was supposed to be) a few minutes last night around 8 because my back was really hurting, just woke up (about 9am) |
| 13:33.55 | Aelobin | slacker xD |
| 13:34.10 | Nechckn | But, Cairenn, don't your kind normally do that and then spend the rest of the week getting by on like 4-5 hours? |
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| 13:34.27 | Cairenn | heh, well |
| 13:35.31 | Kaelten | heya Cairenn |
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| 13:35.54 | Kaelten | I'm drinking my tea and just boggling over the statements people are making |
| 13:35.56 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
| 13:36.08 | Cairenn | I'm still trying to catch up, it's been 13+ hrs |
| 13:36.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:36.25 | Nechckn | It's not worth it... stop while you are ahead. |
| 13:36.27 | Wobin | Kaelten: any post in particular? |
| 13:36.36 | Kaelten | http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/447600.aspx |
| 13:36.42 | Wobin | And did you see the code, Arrowmaster found? |
| 13:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple are frellin' stupid. |
| 13:36.47 | Nechckn | I read most of them over the past few hours, and they just seem to be getting "worse". |
| 13:37.12 | Cairenn | I'm skimming the ones on the o.forums |
| 13:37.56 | Cairenn | will go back and re-read the ones on my site in depth after I finish my quick once-over |
| 13:38.06 | Cairenn | (quick being relative) |
| 13:44.10 | Wobin | wow |
| 13:44.16 | Wobin | I can't read that thread, Kaelten |
| 13:44.25 | Wobin | my eyes are already burning |
| 13:44.29 | amro | Kaelten: wait, Toyota? GM? |
| 13:44.32 | amro | dies a little. |
| 13:44.50 | Kaelten | Wobin: tell me about |
| 13:45.05 | Wobin | aha, that's what you sound like! |
| 13:45.15 | Kaelten | I guess if it's not on the front page of a thread it didn't happen |
| 13:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | Failboat has landed, you are cursed. |
| 13:45.30 | amro | "As a student of business law I'll will be checking up to see if this is even legal in Australia and if not LOOK OUT." |
| 13:45.33 | amro | that's golden |
| 13:45.51 | amro | LOOK OUT Kaelten, you're in a law student's crosshairs |
| 13:45.54 | Kaelten | amro: yeah... considering we don't have a business pressence in australia...... |
| 13:46.04 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, internet lawyers from Down Under! |
| 13:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | Rabid as wombats, with twice the bite power. |
| 13:46.23 | nevcairiel | We'll send Wobin after him |
| 13:46.37 | amro | "...you intend to fleece money from the WOW community which many of whom are children!" |
| 13:46.45 | amro | no! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! |
| 13:46.54 | Wobin | wait Toyota? |
| 13:46.56 | Wobin | whut? |
| 13:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | Well, fleecing is appropriate for stupid sheeple. |
| 13:47.15 | amro | latest post Wobin |
| 13:47.18 | Wobin | nevcairiel: I can certainly hire some dropbears |
| 13:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | Do you guys have any idea how many posts I've had to not-post on the Blizz forums over the last 2 weeks? |
| 13:47.52 | Lopeppeppy | I am glad to see the hot debate dying down on the official WoW forums, but as Kael shows, it's just moving to Curse instead. |
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| 13:48.13 | Kaelten | Oh I've not-posted a _lot_ too |
| 13:48.21 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: true |
| 13:48.22 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:48.22 | Wobin | so true |
| 13:49.04 | Wobin | I think whoever it was is right |
| 13:49.12 | Wobin | we need to have an automatic ban on terrible analogies |
| 13:49.54 | Kaelten | deep fried twinkie analogy hell |
| 13:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | wants a twinkie. |
| 13:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 13:51.54 | Lunessa | morning Peppy. |
| 13:52.10 | amro | reading that thread makes you wish you could send headbutts over TCP/IP |
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| 13:52.36 | Wobin | Kaelten: You should have turned off commenting on that thread =P |
| 13:52.48 | Kaelten | Wobin" the software doesn't support that |
| 13:52.48 | Kaelten | sadly |
| 13:52.51 | Wobin | alas |
| 13:52.52 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 13:52.54 | nevcairiel | curse.com fail :) |
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| 13:53.02 | amro | or give me a banhammer on there, I've got some time to kill |
| 13:53.03 | Nechckn | keep track of posters' IPs and then send a nice DDOS their way on patch day, then ask them how *they* like it =) |
| 13:53.42 | Wobin | oh god |
| 13:53.49 | Fisker- | oh yeah |
| 13:53.50 | Fisker- | great idea |
| 13:53.52 | Wobin | has my double negatives cancelled each other out? |
| 13:53.58 | Wobin | s/has/have/ |
| 13:54.22 | Wobin | normally my aussie mindset parses them naturally =P |
| 13:56.20 | Lunessa | is now AFK |
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| 14:27.24 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/23/funny-pictures-of-eviland-curtains/ |
| 14:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | I am having a hard time ... ah, that is the back leg laying up against the right front paw. Gotcha. Looked soooo deformed for a moment there. |
| 14:28.57 | Lunessa | This is my sidekick... pookie. |
| 14:29.15 | alestane | Lunessa: Apparently one of my downloaders got annoyed because he downloads his add-ons with Safari and it unzips them for him, so he only had folders to drop on the script and it expected .zip files. |
| 14:29.44 | Lunessa | alestane: You could include logic for that ... I suppose. |
| 14:29.53 | Lunessa | But... seriously, WTF? |
| 14:29.57 | alestane | Already did, it was about three lines. |
| 14:32.05 | nevcairiel | Safari auto-unzips? |
| 14:32.13 | nevcairiel | I consider that a fail-feature |
| 14:32.27 | alestane | He wasn't actually nasty about it, and if that's Safari's usual behavior then I might as well recognize it, since the script is for Mac users anyway. |
| 14:36.16 | alestane | I've considered the possibility of making it into a folder action so that any add-on you download gets auto-installed, but not sure that's a good idea. |
| 14:42.54 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Unless you specify not to, Safari and Firefox will both auto-unzip for you on Mac OSX |
| 14:43.04 | nevcairiel | crazy mac people |
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| 14:44.16 | Lunessa | Mac peoples is da craziest peoples! |
| 14:44.29 | Lunessa | Right after Linux and Windows peoples. |
| 14:45.45 | alestane | Lunessa: Firefox will have the file unzipped, usually, but it doesn't remove the .zip file from the desktop, which I think Safari might. |
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| 14:46.25 | Lunessa | alestane: Safari doesn't eliminate my zip file, but then I'm not using default settings for damned near anything. |
| 14:46.45 | alestane | Well, I'm using it ootb...let me see... |
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| 14:47.09 | alestane | (haven't fixed any settings since I use Firefox 99% of the time anyway) |
| 14:48.29 | Lunessa | Same, but I tweaked my Safari set up significantly. |
| 14:49.18 | alestane | Lunessa: using default settings, it left a folder on the desktop but no .zip file. |
| 14:49.40 | Lunessa | well then, the user's "complaint" is valid then. |
| 14:49.47 | alestane | Although first it warned me that it couldn't verify whether the file might contain an application, and did I really want to download it? |
| 14:49.59 | alestane | And now I have to go out. |
| 14:50.10 | Aelobin | amirite in saying obliterate is best kept as a finishing move? |
| 14:50.16 | Aelobin | due to removing the diseases (unless youre frost) |
| 14:50.23 | alestane | Unless you're...nvm |
| 14:51.05 | alestane | Later peoples. |
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| 14:53.48 | nicoli_s | lunessa, you managed to find an icanhazcheeseburger kitty that looks just like mine |
| 14:54.12 | Lunessa | wishes he had a kettieh. |
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| 14:55.07 | nicoli_s | i gots 3 |
| 14:56.45 | nicoli_s | which was 3 too many last night |
| 14:56.59 | nicoli_s | damn bitches woke me up at 3,4,5,6, and 7 o clock this morning |
| 14:57.00 | Shirik | I has 3 dogs |
| 14:57.05 | Shirik | 3 dogs > 3 cats |
| 14:57.21 | nicoli_s | id have a dog if they wouldnt eat my cats |
| 14:57.27 | nicoli_s | my last dog tried to :S |
| 14:57.42 | nicoli_s | but he was a big ass pitbull, so what can ya do |
| 14:57.50 | Shirik | bad choice :P |
| 14:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | I have one cat, she wakes me up all the time, little wench. |
| 14:57.59 | Shirik | I have 2 labs and one lab/pointer mix |
| 14:58.07 | Shirik | scratches Lopeppeppy |
| 14:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | They're partly nocturnal, not their fault. |
| 14:58.10 | Fisker- | btw |
| 14:58.12 | Fisker- | i has theory |
| 14:58.18 | Lopeppeppy | oh no. |
| 14:58.19 | Fisker- | They'll be pushing 3.1.1a for battle.net |
| 14:58.20 | Shirik | it's wrong, Fisker- |
| 14:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | Here we go again. |
| 14:58.24 | Fisker- | fuck you Shirik :( |
| 14:58.28 | nicoli_s | i didnt choose him, he slept in the back of my roomates car one night, so he chose us |
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| 14:58.39 | nicoli_s | and he had the best animal name ever: general rome cornwallace |
| 14:58.45 | Fisker- | You don't push a patch for an exorcism tooltip |
| 14:58.47 | Fisker- | (fact) |
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| 14:59.11 | nicoli_s | is that today? |
| 14:59.31 | Nuckin | anyone know the latency function off the top of their head? |
| 14:59.35 | Fisker- | not 3.1.1a |
| 15:00.14 | nicoli_s | i really hope they dont increment the version number |
| 15:00.52 | Nuckin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.06 | Nuckin | ie, 2.3 -> 2.4 |
| 15:01.13 | krka | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetNetStats |
| 15:01.20 | krka | i.e. let me google that for you |
| 15:01.35 | nicoli_s | i meant the actual client version number, if that changes, we have to push a new version of the curse client |
| 15:02.16 | Kaelten | ~toc |
| 15:02.17 | purl | The current WoW Interface Number is: 30100 |
| 15:02.33 | Seerah | toc won't change until 3.2 |
| 15:03.04 | geargrind | unless they make a significant API change in 3.1.x |
| 15:03.13 | geargrind | there was a 20003 |
| 15:03.21 | geargrind | iirc |
| 15:03.38 | Seerah | not that I recall |
| 15:03.54 | Seerah | and a significant API change would not be put in a minor release |
| 15:03.57 | Dark_Elf | thinks blizzard just lazy at changing toc numbers |
| 15:04.17 | Seerah | there's no reason to change it for little bug fix patches |
| 15:04.26 | Seerah | major release == new number |
| 15:04.48 | geargrind | Seerah: http://wowcompares.com/2036299/FrameXML/FrameXML.toc |
| 15:04.57 | Dark_Elf | no point in having a 5 digit number either |
| 15:05.04 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: there is, if the API changes in that 'little bug fix patch' |
| 15:05.13 | Gnarfoz | and I too remember a 20003 |
| 15:05.18 | Seerah | ah, right.... I guess so. but that was the only time :) |
| 15:05.33 | geargrind | which is sufficient to prove my point ;) |
| 15:05.35 | geargrind | :P |
| 15:05.39 | Seerah | :P |
| 15:05.49 | Seerah | goes back to ignoring the channel and doing work |
| 15:05.51 | Gnarfoz | someone clean up my desk for me >_> |
| 15:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | offers the trashcan |
| 15:06.46 | geargrind | Gnarfoz: i'll clean yours if you'll clean mine.. |
| 15:07.56 | mikma | can environmental damage crit? :D |
| 15:08.09 | Lunessa | Someone come write PDA/Smartphone support policy for me, and email forwarding policy, and then I'll go play WoW, k? Thx. |
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| 15:09.39 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: 404. Done |
| 15:10.09 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Lame. What am I (not) paying you for? |
| 15:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | Email forwarding policy, don't freakin do it. |
| 15:10.45 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I have no choice. We're caught between two nearly impossible positions, and forwarding is the only real ouot. |
| 15:11.09 | Lopeppeppy | Swear to god I'd take up tech writing as a second job if anyone would pay me for it, that sort of writing is FUN! |
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| 15:12.03 | Lunessa | Meh, it's an "additional" duty for me here at work. Mostly because I'm good at it. |
| 15:13.52 | zenzelezz | quite a conundrum... being good at something helps you get a job, but after that you wish you weren't |
| 15:14.54 | Aelobin | is scourge strike the only glyph that refreshes diseases? |
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| 15:20.38 | Aelobin | ah glyph of disease :P i shoulda guessed lol |
| 15:24.14 | Lunessa | thinks that after 10 years of having a MMOUI (or precursor site) account, it's probably time I went premium. |
| 15:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
| 15:26.26 | Aelobin | xD |
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| 15:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | Random question: Is there not some story of early space flight whereby inches and millimeters were confused? |
| 15:29.24 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Um, one of the recent Mars robot missions had such an error in C code causing an impact instead of a landing. |
| 15:29.52 | Lopeppeppy | I seem to remember this being very old, but that could be it.... |
| 15:32.15 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Stuff from the 50's/60s wouldn't likely have that issue since all the NASA types were only using English measurements. But the only place I recall such a story was in a mars robot mission in the late 90s. |
| 15:32.35 | amro | Lopeppeppy: not that early, it was the Mars Express |
| 15:33.23 | Coren{de} | hm. is there any other way to find out the information arg7 provides from "CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL" (1 = General, 2 = Commerce, 0 = 'private')? |
| 15:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, guys. *big hugs* |
| 15:33.54 | zenzelezz | I just don't understand people. Some guy's asking for BS, I ask what he needs, he says to link it. I tell him it'd be easier to find someone if he just asked for the name, but I link it anyway. Then he uses my BS link to discover the name, and instead of asking me to make it, he goes back and asks on the trade channel o_O |
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| 15:34.29 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple suck |
| 15:34.55 | amro | Lopeppeppy: sorry, wrong name. not the Mars Express |
| 15:35.19 | amro | it was the Mars Climate Orbiter |
| 15:36.07 | Aelobin | wtf |
| 15:36.13 | Aelobin | i just got "damage control" in zangamarsh |
| 15:36.52 | amro | noob, it's only now that you're getting it? (and yeah that seems to trigger outside of battlegrounds for some reason) |
| 15:37.15 | Aelobin | im lvl 62 and hardly done any bgs on my dk :P |
| 15:37.27 | Lunessa | Coren{de}: http://www.wowwiki.com/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_Event |
| 15:37.34 | Aelobin | any idea when it triggers? |
| 15:37.57 | amro | no. I suspect the game doesn't properly register you as having left a battleground |
| 15:38.12 | Aelobin | hmmm i havent been in a BG today :P |
| 15:38.24 | Aelobin | although i have a GM ticket open, i highly doubt that's it though :P |
| 15:39.29 | Aelobin | was just thinking i may have done 300k damage since i opened it but i think ill have done a lot more :p |
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| 16:03.30 | Nuckin | so i have a settexcoord that is cutting, then anchoring to the bottom left of the parent texture even though the setpoint is topleft |
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| 16:24.08 | Coren{de} | Dalaran = worst city ever. that is all. |
| 16:24.30 | durcyn | Coren{de}: it was built by mages, what do you expect |
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| 16:24.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. I used to think Shatt was the worst, dalaran is hideous |
| 16:25.20 | Coren{de} | durcyn, I guess more arcane brilliance or something... is city building going of wisdom instead of intelligence? :D |
| 16:26.39 | nevcairiel | I like Dalaran, it feels like a real city. It just has too many people in it |
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| 16:27.14 | Moleculor | We could kill them all. |
| 16:27.18 | Moleculor | That would solve the problem. |
| 16:27.19 | Nuckin | nevcairiel:... communist |
| 16:27.55 | Hirsute | Nah, I pretty much hate Dalaran, too. I don't mind the sewers, they're okay. |
| 16:28.05 | Coren{de} | I wouldn't consider it a city, at all.... it would fit into Shatt Lower Quarters and still leave room for another Dalaran next to it... |
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| 16:37.06 | Trela_ | mind is blown. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1DcavXVK5Y |
| 16:38.56 | geargrind | O.o |
| 16:39.22 | Moleculor | You're going to make me stop downloading the SC2 battle report to watch this, aren't you? |
| 16:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | *Make* you? No. Laugh if you don't, yes. |
| 16:42.32 | Moleculor | Probably would help if I knew what song he was parodying. |
| 16:45.50 | Moleculor | Yeah, no idea what it is he's parodying, and just I merely cringe at the singing. Back to downloading. |
| 16:47.25 | Gngsk | the singing isn't cringe worthy imo |
| 16:47.40 | Gngsk | well, maybe it would be if you didn't realize it was a parody and hadn't heard the original |
| 16:47.59 | Gnarfoz | who does WoWUIDev cloaks? and who are they given to? do people with small addons hosted on wowi + wowace qualify? channel regulars? whatever? :D |
| 16:48.23 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: ask Cairenn |
| 16:48.39 | Gnarfoz | I consider her pinged |
| 16:48.40 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:48.42 | Gnarfoz | thanks ;) |
| 16:48.44 | Cairenn | she is |
| 16:49.09 | Zhinjio | Heya Cairenn |
| 16:49.09 | durcyn | actually, she still owes me a cloak from forever ago =P |
| 16:49.09 | durcyn | double pinged! |
| 16:49.09 | Moleculor | Cloaks? |
| 16:49.17 | durcyn | Moleculor: hostname cloak/mask/whatever |
| 16:49.24 | Cairenn | anyone that wants one can have one, you just have to a) have your nick registered on Freenode and b) it has to start @WoWUIDev/whatever |
| 16:49.25 | Moleculor | Ooh. |
| 16:49.31 | Moleculor | I was thinking cloth thing you wear on your back. |
| 16:49.39 | Gnarfoz | nah, no capes. :> |
| 16:49.55 | Cairenn | you can put whatever you like after WoWUIDev, but that has to be the very first part |
| 16:51.28 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: cool :) other official freenode projects being mentioned there (like WoWAce probably is one in their own right) is a matter of netiquette then? i.e. "do it if you asked the appropriate person on the other project(s) and got their ok"? |
| 16:51.44 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 16:51.50 | Cairenn | is confused |
| 16:52.08 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: /whois ckknight for an example |
| 16:52.17 | ckknight | waves |
| 16:52.20 | Cairenn | or kaelten or tem or ... |
| 16:52.27 | Gnarfoz | ckk is a good example of what I mean |
| 16:53.45 | Gnarfoz | actually, not ideal since wow addon community is pretty well meshed ;) |
| 16:54.14 | durcyn | the point is, only the bit left of the first slash is static |
| 16:54.47 | Gnarfoz | just thinking: would Cairenn (for example) get in trouble if she gave me a cloak that said WoWUIDev/WoWAceStaff? |
| 16:54.56 | Cairenn | ah |
| 16:55.09 | Cairenn | I would need to know that you are, in fact, WowAce staff |
| 16:55.26 | Gnarfoz | or are all parts after the first / ignored and treated as "custom text, whatever", without regard for maybe official uses of that "tag" |
| 16:55.36 | Cairenn | but you can put WowAce with nothing more as kind of a sign of affiliation |
| 16:55.56 | Cairenn | like you identify yourself as being a part of that community |
| 16:55.56 | Gnarfoz | alright, seems simple enough ;) |
| 16:56.00 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 16:56.14 | Gnarfoz | raid starts in 5, so I guess I'll get back to this later :D |
| 16:56.19 | Cairenn | for example, Iriel has nothing other than WoWUIDev |
| 16:56.38 | Lopeppeppy | is immaculate! |
| 16:56.45 | Cairenn | he doesn't feel the need to "affiliate" himself with anything other than the entire community as a whole |
| 16:57.18 | Cairenn | but Shirik has n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik |
| 16:57.34 | Cairenn | and Kaelten has: n=Kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten |
| 16:58.19 | durcyn | curiously, googling WoWIFA returns "Did you mean 'Women of Wrestling Erotic Fiction Archive'?" |
| 16:58.41 | nevcairiel | That has to be it |
| 16:58.46 | nevcairiel | eyeballs Kaelten |
| 16:59.37 | Gnarfoz | obviously. |
| 16:59.38 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:02.11 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 17:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | obviously needs this mask. |
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| 17:03.43 | Ackis | penis |
| 17:04.00 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 17:04.07 | ckknight | lol, Ackis |
| 17:04.10 | ckknight | what brought that on? |
| 17:04.17 | Ackis | do I need a reason? |
| 17:04.22 | Xinhuan | somehow, that was appropriate :D |
| 17:04.27 | Ackis | one of our cats is lost in the basement and is meowing |
| 17:04.47 | ckknight | and thus "penis" is the response to give to that situation |
| 17:04.50 | ckknight | ...alright then |
| 17:04.55 | Ackis | what situation? |
| 17:05.27 | durcyn | maybe Ackis just likes penis, give him a break |
| 17:05.27 | Ackis | Cairenn: did a puppy mill bust at the begining of april make it in the news out there (doubt it)? |
| 17:05.37 | Ackis | durcyn: no maybes aboot it |
| 17:05.40 | Cairenn | may have, but I didn't hear about it |
| 17:05.55 | Lopeppeppy | Bust? |
| 17:06.00 | Lunessa | I said to the man, "Are you trying to tempt me? 'Cause I come from the land of plenty." |
| 17:06.06 | Ackis | *nod* well there was a bust here, about 30 dogs and 3 cats were seized |
| 17:06.09 | nicoli_s | got so full of puppies it burst |
| 17:06.11 | Cairenn | good |
| 17:06.12 | Ackis | that cat we got last night was one of the seized kitties |
| 17:06.23 | Cairenn | poor things |
| 17:06.26 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: owner was arrested, animals seized by spca |
| 17:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, that sort of thing. I'm glad you got that kitty to a good home. Is it the one that is lost? |
| 17:06.53 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: not sure, it could be... lol I'm already getting names confused... he's going to my mom though next week |
| 17:07.24 | Lopeppeppy | Close the basement door, go down with treats, and start shifting boxes. If kitty is crying, kitty feels stuck, so look in small places or high places or holes in walls/ceiling. |
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| 17:07.44 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: oh it's not a bad lost, he went down to go poop and couldn't remember where his humans were |
| 17:07.47 | Lunessa | Poor kitty. |
| 17:09.29 | Ackis | http://www.edmontonhumanesociety.com/cgi-bin/section_switch.pl?section=other&sub=newsEdmontonPuppyMill |
| 17:10.16 | Cairenn | poor little things :( |
| 17:10.25 | Cairenn | I really truly hate people some days |
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| 17:11.09 | Ackis | if you watch the video, there's a black cat with a siamese... the black cat is the one we got |
| 17:11.11 | Hirsute | Only some? |
| 17:12.51 | Cairenn | omg |
| 17:12.55 | Cairenn | watching the video |
| 17:13.02 | Cairenn | of the house |
| 17:13.13 | Cairenn | fuck I hate people some days |
| 17:13.14 | Hirsute | "he went down to go poop and couldn't remember where his humans were" <--That's the kind of lost that's really cute when the kitty's been found again. |
| 17:14.28 | Ackis | Cairenn: you'll be glad to know all the critters there are in good homes now |
| 17:14.34 | Cairenn | shouldn't have watched it, I'm crying now |
| 17:14.49 | Lunessa | I once rescued a kitten from a storm drain. He was a great cat once he tamed and was settled to people. But one day he tore open a window screen (heavy duty!) and was never seen again. I looked for him for days. :( |
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| 17:14.58 | Cairenn | I don't understand how anyone can do things like that |
| 17:14.58 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra still wonders where I am sometimes, its' adorable when she chirps. What she means is that **I** am lost, and she's offering me a way to find her and feel better. |
| 17:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, my Kendra was a street cat first, I'm always terrified she'll get out again. Hence double screens on my windows. :) |
| 17:15.45 | nicoli_s | i love adopting kittens off the street |
| 17:16.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yeah. I miss Screech, and I hope he is happy wherever he found a new home. It's been years. |
| 17:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | Street kittehs are often very sick, poor things. |
| 17:16.43 | Cairenn | woot! you guys will like this! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13195-PeggleAdd-onforWoW.html |
| 17:17.32 | Ackis | keylogger! |
| 17:18.07 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Now we can torment kamdis with a new game. :) |
| 17:18.09 | Wobin | woo |
| 17:18.11 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 17:18.14 | Wobin | I got the Diamond Tipped Staff |
| 17:18.21 | Cairenn | Wobin: grats |
| 17:18.28 | Wobin | now all I need is the pimp hat, and my bank toon'll be rockin' |
| 17:18.30 | Lunessa | Wobin: You be big pimpin now? |
| 17:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | No has pimp hat? |
| 17:19.10 | Lunessa | I use that, the Purple Dinner Suit, and the Sombrero for my "Pimp" outfit on Unkle. |
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| 17:22.24 | Wobin | 100g for the pimp hat >< |
| 17:22.52 | Wobin | I'll put in a 75g bid maybe =P |
| 17:25.35 | Wobin | Lunessa: I have a set of clothes for 'Dancing' |
| 17:25.45 | Wobin | it's the Haliscan pants, jacket and the hat =) |
| 17:25.56 | Lunessa | Wobin: How you make your money is YOUR business. I'm not jusdging. |
| 17:26.19 | Wobin | along with two http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6323 |
| 17:27.28 | Lunessa | Do you /yell Everybody Conga! |
| 17:27.32 | Zhinjio | omg peggle is so well done |
| 17:27.38 | Wobin | yep =) |
| 17:27.39 | Zhinjio | cries at his free time disappearing. |
| 17:27.47 | Wobin | works well with the tauren male dance =) |
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| 17:30.53 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://www.overheardintheoffice.com/archives/008971.html |
| 17:32.29 | Wobin | http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7512/screen23l.jpg |
| 17:32.36 | Wobin | anyone recognise that movie screenshot? |
| 17:33.03 | Zhinjio | Wobin: not i |
| 17:35.04 | Lunessa | Wobin: Looks like "The Saint" remake with Val Kilmer... but, probably isn't. |
| 17:36.16 | Wobin | It does have that sort of lighting, doesn't it? |
| 17:44.01 | Dashkal | http://notalwaysright.com/a-few-carrots-short-of-a-bunch/1854 |
| 17:44.02 | Dashkal | facepalms |
| 17:44.43 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_communications_protocol seems like a nice idea... is there any follow-up one could check for? (Yes, SendAddonMessage is not sufficient for what I want...) |
| 17:45.41 | durcyn | why not? |
| 17:52.44 | Dagmar | Because not enough Bothans have died for it |
| 17:53.31 | Coren{de} | Bothans? |
| 17:53.51 | Coren{de} | ~Bothan |
| 17:55.17 | Coren{de} | guess purl doesn't know about Bothans either... :D |
| 17:56.24 | Moleculor | Bothans are stupid. |
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| 18:01.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone on that's familiar with eclipse, particularly with respect to php web dev? |
| 18:03.19 | Dashkal | eclipse, yes. php? not so much. Though I just saw some php talk in #eclipse a moment ago |
| 18:05.17 | Dashkal | erm, wait, no, that was python. nevermind, nothing to see here |
| 18:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Hehe |
| 18:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | no worries, i found what i needed anyway :) |
| 18:06.54 | Dashkal | ubuntu needs to learn to distribute packages p2p somehow... Poor mirrors are being destroyed |
| 18:06.56 | Shirik | Cairenn? o.O |
| 18:07.02 | Cairenn | Shirik: ? |
| 18:08.01 | Antiarc | 11:05 [Spam] [Telalris]: Unholy DK looking for 3v3 or 5v5 team. Skilled at my cla-*Snicker* Okay, correction. Can kill things very quickly. |
| 18:08.49 | Shirik | (12:57:02) (@Cairenn) but Shirik has n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik |
| 18:08.49 | Shirik | [#wowuidev] - [23/04/2009] |
| 18:08.56 | Cairenn | oh |
| 18:09.06 | Cairenn | that was me just giving examples of cloaks people have |
| 18:10.54 | jnwhiteh | i am going to effing scream |
| 18:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: hahaha |
| 18:11.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: also, did you totally rename trade chat [Spam]? :P |
| 18:11.38 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 18:11.39 | Dagmar | Honesty in a DK? Weird |
| 18:11.42 | Lunessa | I'm cloaked. ... with just the channel name. |
| 18:11.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Antiarc++ |
| 18:12.40 | Antiarc | There's a DK in trade chat bitching that he should get stealth |
| 18:12.52 | Antiarc | I can't decide whether to rage or /rofl |
| 18:13.03 | Dagmar | Hell why not give them poisons and a stunlock whille we're at it |
| 18:13.07 | Dashkal | DK with stealth... *shudder* |
| 18:13.12 | Antiarc | DKs can get poisons, actually |
| 18:13.17 | Dashkal | I admit I was very tempted to roll NE for shadowmeld... |
| 18:13.22 | Antiarc | There's a bug that lets you put poisons on non-rogue weapons |
| 18:13.28 | Antiarc | There was a DK doing arenas with wound poison up |
| 18:13.32 | Antiarc | Talk about horrifying |
| 18:13.58 | Lunessa | Ouch. |
| 18:14.01 | Xinhuan | so is that "peggle" addon legal since its "obfuscated" with luasrcdiet? |
| 18:14.09 | Antiarc | Is it obfuscated? |
| 18:14.16 | Xinhuan | with luasrcdiet, yes |
| 18:14.22 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: I believe Blizzard has reviewed it |
| 18:14.45 | Antiarc | The most annoying thing about a forum ban is that I have to load the index page twice |
| 18:14.56 | Antiarc | Because the first time it decides to tell me I've been banned every time I check it |
| 18:14.57 | Xinhuan | there isn't any notice in the addon saying so |
| 18:15.05 | Xinhuan | that i can find |
| 18:15.15 | Antiarc | Quick, let's complain, get peggle pulled, and watch the masses riot! \o/ |
| 18:15.15 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: I'm not sure that they would have to provide notice? |
| 18:15.29 | jnwhiteh | luasrcdiet doesn't obfuscate the logic or purpose of the addon |
| 18:15.38 | Xinhuan | maybe not, but curious minds would want to know |
| 18:15.42 | Dagmar | All the people who complain about Peggle going away shouldl just go over to FreeRealms already |
| 18:15.54 | Xinhuan | if using luasrcdiet falls foul of blizzard's rule or not |
| 18:15.54 | Antiarc | Obfuscation doesn't have to necessarily involve hiding the purpose of code. Just making it hard to read can be considered obfuscation. |
| 18:16.34 | jnwhiteh | So try it, and see |
| 18:16.36 | jnwhiteh | or email them and ask |
| 18:16.56 | jnwhiteh | It's pretty clear what the intent of that clause was |
| 18:17.37 | Xinhuan | not really? if i were to write a game as an addon in wow, i would WANT to obfuscate the code so it makes it hard for casual players to cheat by editing the code |
| 18:18.28 | Kraftman | lol i just looked at the peggle code, then i come here and you;re alreayd talkign about ^^ |
| 18:18.29 | Kraftman | and aparently i can't type |
| 18:18.48 | Antiarc | You could reverse the obfuscation in the peggle code, I guess |
| 18:18.57 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 18:19.04 | Antiarc | s/;/\n/ and run it through a Lua pretty-printer |
| 18:19.27 | Kraftman | "must in no way be hidden or obfuscated" |
| 18:19.29 | Antiarc | wtf, at the end of the file |
| 18:19.30 | Antiarc | local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e; |
| 18:19.33 | Antiarc | o.0 |
| 18:19.33 | Xinhuan | obfuscation doesn't necessarily have to do with whether it is reversable or not |
| 18:19.37 | Dagmar | wheee |
| 18:20.33 | jnwhiteh | Well you could email Moongazer and ask |
| 18:20.36 | jnwhiteh | or email Blizzard directly |
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| 18:20.42 | jnwhiteh | which would cause them to check and possibly resonse |
| 18:20.51 | jnwhiteh | err respond |
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| 18:21.49 | Antiarc | If it's okay, then hey...git pull posthook to run code through luasrcdiet *grin* |
| 18:22.13 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 18:22.49 | Xinhuan | heh yeah time to luasrcdiet all my addons! |
| 18:22.58 | Antiarc | Honestly? There's no good reason to run code through luasrcdiet unless you're trying to make it harder to read |
| 18:23.05 | Xinhuan | (i seriously doubt that's the intent) |
| 18:23.10 | Antiarc | The concept applies to web resources, which are downloaded regularly, to save bandwidth |
| 18:23.24 | Xinhuan | except in this case, its a zip |
| 18:23.30 | Antiarc | But to stuff like addons, it's difficult to make a compelling argument for "optimization" over "obfuscation" |
| 18:23.46 | Xinhuan | in fact its a 7 mb zip containing 27 mb of textures and sounds |
| 18:23.55 | Antiarc | Are BLPs compressed? |
| 18:24.02 | Xinhuan | yes i think |
| 18:24.04 | Antiarc | And yeah, the resource sizes made me O_O |
| 18:24.12 | Xinhuan | the actual code is only 255 kb |
| 18:24.18 | Xinhuan | the other 7 mb is sounds/textures |
| 18:24.20 | Xinhuan | 27* |
| 18:24.21 | Dagmar | Antiarc: Yes |
| 18:24.43 | Xinhuan | so the "saving bandwidth" reason can't possibly apply here ;p |
| 18:24.58 | Lunessa | win: http://notalwaysright.com/all-hail-wikipedia/869 |
| 18:25.51 | Antiarc | I'm not easily finding a Lua source formatter |
| 18:25.57 | Antiarc | Can't be that hard to write one though. |
| 18:26.09 | durcyn | ~seen nymbia |
| 18:26.11 | purl | nymbia <n=nymbia@c-67-165-238-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7d 17h 2m 20s ago, saying: 'dont think that counts as a life'. |
| 18:27.38 | jnwhiteh | most of the code is in plain Lua that you can read |
| 18:27.40 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/22/frog-eats-christmas.html |
| 18:29.17 | Dagmar | I think perhaps the photographer forgot that frogs are cold-blooded. |
| 18:29.24 | Dagmar | That little frog was probably enjoying himself. |
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| 18:31.12 | Hirsute | Well, that was fun. Looks like something bad happened to my dns resolver cache. I couldn't get anywhere until I cleared it just now. |
| 18:32.34 | Moleculor | You should take a hammer to it next time. |
| 18:32.44 | Moleculor | Hammers solve everything. Unless it needs fire. Or explosives. |
| 18:34.03 | sacarasc | An exploding fire hammer would solve just about everything. |
| 18:34.44 | Dashkal | +1? |
| 18:34.51 | NightHawkTheSane | except stupid people online |
| 18:35.08 | NightHawkTheSane | for that, you need Exploding Fire Hammer over IP |
| 18:35.31 | Dashkal | +1 exploding fire hammer of return? |
| 18:36.46 | Moleculor | +1 Fire Burst warhammer. |
| 18:36.46 | Moleculor | of return, yes. |
| 18:36.46 | Moleculor | That would be awesome. |
| 18:37.13 | Moleculor | Or would it have to be a +1 Fire Burst Throwing warhammer of Return? |
| 18:37.33 | Moleculor | I forget if 3.5's return automatically imbues throwing with return. |
| 18:37.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think so. |
| 18:38.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I believe most of the "throwing" weapons in 4.0 automagically return, though |
| 18:38.56 | mikma | hih! http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_042309_213630.jpg <- MiniCombatLog :) |
| 18:38.56 | Moleculor | Yay for 4. |
| 18:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: so, its like eavesdrop? |
| 18:39.17 | mikma | exactly, but without ACE + bloat |
| 18:39.38 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough |
| 18:39.42 | Dashkal | Heh, I never looked at the 4.0 rules. Human DM FTL. Games take too long |
| 18:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Bah. stupid eclipse can't seem to handle jquery and i dont know why :( |
| 18:40.39 | Dashkal | I've never been fond of eclipse for anything other than java. Feels too heavy for dynamic languages for some reason |
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| 18:51.39 | amro | mikma: get the beacons. :/ |
| 18:56.34 | mikma | amro: na :I |
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| 19:20.13 | p3lim | has blizzard restricted the backpack in any way different than the other 4 bags? |
| 19:20.35 | Hirsute | Other than that you can't get rid of it? Don't think so. |
| 19:20.44 | Thunder_Child | and it cant get any bigger |
| 19:20.54 | Hirsute | Can other bags get bigger? |
| 19:21.13 | Dagmar | Sure |
| 19:21.15 | p3lim | well, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13188-Molinari.html |
| 19:21.27 | p3lim | that addon works with any bag, any bag addon, just not the backpack |
| 19:21.39 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Really? I've never seen that. |
| 19:22.09 | Dagmar | Hircuite: You don't have a bunch of 20-slot bags? |
| 19:22.34 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Yes, but they don't get bigger. If I want a bigger bag I get rid of the ones I have and replace them. |
| 19:22.48 | Dagmar | That's how they get bigger. |
| 19:23.23 | p3lim | the issue is that a button using SecureActionButtonTemplate can't be attached to the backpack with :SetPoint() |
| 19:23.30 | Hirsute | Well, if that's what was meant by get bigger, than it's TC and I were essentially saying the same thing. |
| 19:23.32 | p3lim | while it works for any other bag |
| 19:23.36 | p3lim | or bag addon |
| 19:23.47 | p3lim | its not the bag ID, its the specific bag |
| 19:23.55 | p3lim | im more or less clueless |
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| 19:34.33 | Lunessa | maul just posted it to UI & Macros for you as [BUG?] |
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| 19:35.47 | p3lim | know |
| 19:36.06 | p3lim | i just hope its not intended |
| 19:37.02 | Thunder_Child | anyone know how long it takes for a char to show up on the armory after being transfered? |
| 19:37.59 | Maul | I would imagine after the first time you login/logout, however, the armory is not very reliable :P |
| 19:38.03 | Lopeppeppy | Probably not until you log into the game with them in their new location, and the armory updates after that. |
| 19:38.09 | Thunder_Child | it's been 2 days |
| 19:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | Are you seriously counting Tuesday as a "day" for WoW? |
| 19:38.31 | Thunder_Child | and i have loged in/out many times |
| 19:38.42 | Thunder_Child | well it was tuesday night |
| 19:39.08 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe. But if you've logged in and out a bunch, it should show up overnight. If not, you may need to wait until next Tuesday if they do maintenance. |
| 19:39.34 | Maul | Well, like I said, not reliable. There is an email link on the armory page if you are having issues. wowarmory@blizzard.com I think |
| 19:43.01 | geargrind | http://awkwardthingsisaytogirls.com/2007/02/why-geeks-make-good-lovers/ |
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| 19:53.01 | Nuckin | any ideas why a sextexcoord texture clip would drop to the bottom of a frame when its anchored to "TOPLEFT"? |
| 19:55.19 | Nuckin | everyone on the afternoon nap? |
| 19:55.58 | geargrind | maybe try clarifying your question |
| 19:57.27 | Taroven | Nuckin: Pastey and screenshot? |
| 19:57.41 | geargrind | ^ |
| 19:58.38 | Lopeppeppy | No pastey for joo! |
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| 20:00.36 | Nuckin | http://www.pastey.net/112942 |
| 20:01.22 | Nuckin | bar is the parent frame of the texture and p is the percent to be filled |
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| 20:05.14 | Nuckin | any ideas? |
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| 20:06.12 | foxlit | raaaar! |
| 20:07.15 | Thunder_Child | is not a good idea |
| 20:07.17 | Taroven | Nuckin: Have you tried (0,1,1,p)? |
| 20:07.41 | Taroven | *shrug* Could just be something really simple like that |
| 20:07.49 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo |
| 20:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Knowing several people here have linodes |
| 20:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | They have increased their disk space! |
| 20:08.40 | durcyn | to what, out of curiosity? |
| 20:09.11 | Nuckin | Taroven: tried it, makes the cut bigger and still not in the right spot |
| 20:09.19 | durcyn | oh, tiered, nevermind. |
| 20:09.30 | Taroven | (0,1,1,1-p)? |
| 20:09.47 | Taroven | Grasping here, still need a screenshot |
| 20:11.18 | foxlit | What are we guessing at? |
| 20:11.44 | Taroven | <Nuckin>any ideas why a sextexcoord texture clip would drop to the bottom of a frame when its anchored to "TOPLEFT"? |
| 20:11.53 | Thunder_Child | 13:00.40 Nuckin: http://www.pastey.net/112942 |
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| 20:19.38 | amro | I need a simple to setup bug tracker for internal. any suggestions? it's for a project with a small team |
| 20:19.48 | amro | s/internal/internal use/ |
| 20:20.02 | Nuckin | Taroven: http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/FreakEffects/WoWScrnShot_042309_161726.jpg |
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| 20:25.06 | Cairenn | Shirik: ;) |
| 20:25.57 | Lopeppeppy | What a stinkah |
| 20:27.04 | Nuckin | this settexcoord is driving me nutzors |
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| 20:27.10 | Shirik | Cairenn :P |
| 20:27.11 | Taroven | wtf |
| 20:27.14 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 20:27.21 | Taroven | world server just went down during the middle of WG |
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| 20:30.00 | Nuckin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.40 | amro | Taroven: the "wtf" isn't justified. now, if WG was empty, I'd be surprised |
| 20:34.52 | alestane | Lunessa: Have you gotten to try my widget at all? The last comment I got said that it wasn't doing upgrades at all. |
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| 20:35.12 | Lunessa | alestane: Trying ti right now with peggle |
| 20:37.47 | Lunessa | "Can't make folder "AddOns" of folder "Interface" of alias "Personal 80 GB:World of Warcraft:" into type alias." |
| 20:38.12 | Lunessa | This is a fresh install of WoW - no interface folder yet. |
| 20:38.24 | alestane | That would be why. |
| 20:39.06 | Lunessa | Yeah, so you should probably create the folder if it doesn't exist. :P |
| 20:39.59 | alestane | Right now, that's what I use to recognize the folder as your WoW install; but I suppose I should consider the option that people want it to expedite reinstalls, too. |
| 20:40.13 | alestane | I considered it an edge case before. |
| 20:40.35 | Lunessa | It works solidly if I have the folders already. |
| 20:41.31 | alestane | I shall now try installing successive versions of Demonomicon, since I have it on hand. |
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| 20:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahahaha |
| 20:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.stupid.com/fun/BPEN.html |
| 20:43.29 | Arrowmaster | so FishPing is broken, im guessing theres no fix? |
| 20:43.37 | alestane | It performs upgrades capably on my system...I can ask this person if they're running Leopard, I guess, I hear there are some discrepancies. |
| 20:45.04 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: ROFL |
| 20:45.58 | ScytheBlade1 | $9 for the complete set, sure it is a rip off but whatever |
| 20:46.27 | alestane | You don't spend the money on the pens...you spend it on the awkward silences and strange looks you get. |
| 20:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go |
| 20:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I meant to say |
| 20:47.09 | Dagmar | If those were a bit cheaper, they'd be good to just leave around places |
| 20:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 20:48.04 | Dagmar | They occasionally get a wild hair over here about how promo pens violate vendor-neutral stances, and a few times have jumped our cases over here |
| 20:48.16 | Dagmar | We have people coming into this office twenty times a day |
| 20:48.44 | Dagmar | Occasionally, someone will leave a pen behind with some crazy name like "canosteraprazole indolatein" on it. |
| 20:48.47 | Dagmar | ...and they bitch at us. |
| 20:49.01 | Dagmar | I'm like, "we don't buy those kinds of drugs in this office" |
| 20:49.22 | Dagmar | Emphasis on "those" |
| 20:49.38 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: As opposed to Asprin. |
| 20:49.52 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/a-few-carrots-short-of-a-bunch/1854 ...um, WHAT? |
| 20:50.11 | Dagmar | Well, personally I suspect the people responsible for the continued operation of our NT domain are fans of psylocybin cubensis. |
| 20:50.31 | Dagmar | There can really be no other explanation for how screwed up it is. |
| 20:50.39 | Lunessa | alestane: You're WRONG. WORNG.WORNG.WORNG.WORNG.WORNG.WORNG.WORNG.WORNG.WORNG. |
| 20:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 20:50.48 | Shirik | WORNG. |
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| 20:51.02 | alestane | "...thanks, Al, Always a great report from Al, I think we all know by now Al's been into the mushrooms..." |
| 20:51.10 | Dagmar | Yep |
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| 20:51.37 | Dagmar | I just submitted a ticket to the effect of "Epolicy agent hangs workstaton for 12-15 minutes at login" |
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| 20:52.58 | Lunessa | alestane: Broadcasting on the sub-ether wave band to all intelligent species listening out there. And for the rest of you, the secret is - bang the rocks together guys!1 |
| 20:53.00 | Thunder_Child | anyone else having issues getting into wow? |
| 20:53.34 | alestane | Did Carlin spoof Doug Adams while I wasn't looking? |
| 20:53.35 | Dagmar | I'd love to see whta HR would make of those kinds of pens being found around the office |
| 20:54.20 | Dagmar | alestane: He did that on June 22nd |
| 20:58.02 | Lunessa | alestane: That was right out of the radio transcripts. |
| 21:12.21 | Lunessa | Oh look - more trouble: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473912523&sid=1 |
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| 21:14.15 | Shirik | As of this day, im being the voice of reason, and BOYCOTTING both WOWinterface and Curse's ads. |
| 21:14.15 | Shirik | I am still going to DL from them, but without ads, they will lose money. |
| 21:14.28 | Shirik | I think someone doesn't know the meaning of boycotting >.> |
| 21:14.51 | Lunessa | Shirik: Heh, no kidding. |
| 21:15.42 | Shirik | ok going home |
| 21:15.43 | Shirik | baibai |
| 21:17.12 | foxlit | Someone go solve the leveling-crafting-skills problem. |
| 21:17.50 | foxlit | i.e. given an amount of materials, list of known and trainable recipes and level ranges, figure out how to get the most skill points |
| 21:18.35 | Dewin | There's a random factor though. |
| 21:18.51 | theorbtwo | foxlit: There's lists on wowwiki for serveral. |
| 21:19.19 | foxlit | Lists on wowwiki are static an do not take into account the prices of materials / things you already have |
| 21:20.05 | foxlit | Dewin: I'd happily assume stochastic treatment of that randomness, or, failing that, just using orange recipes. |
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| 21:21.03 | Dewin | foxlit: If someone could figure out the exact % of getting a skillup, it might be better... and there are times you may not have any orange recipes available. |
| 21:21.23 | Dewin | Or it's worth spamming green recipes for the last 2-3 points you can milk out of them since you won't need the mats for anything else |
| 21:21.44 | foxlit | Simplifying assumptions are allowed, mind you :) |
| 21:21.55 | foxlit | "Every yellow recipe has the same chance of getting a skill up" |
| 21:23.44 | foxlit | Something to write, I suppose |
| 21:24.22 | Taroven | I believe it's like a 50-60% chance to skill up from yellow and 10% for green |
| 21:24.34 | Dewin | Taroven: I'm fairly convinced it depends on "how" yellow or green it is. |
| 21:24.41 | Taroven | It may |
| 21:24.56 | Taroven | I've noticed that I almost never get skillups from the last point of a green recipe |
| 21:25.01 | Taroven | Like, 20-30 tries |
| 21:25.11 | Dewin | and you're almost guarunteed a skillup the first craft of a yellow |
| 21:25.16 | Taroven | Yeah |
| 21:25.34 | Dewin | I wouldn't be surprised if it just cut at 50% |
| 21:25.35 | foxlit | Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal :) |
| 21:25.35 | Taroven | Might be a sliding scale, bottoming out at like 5% for the last point of a green? |
| 21:26.07 | foxlit | But anyhow, if in doubt, blame the user |
| 21:26.17 | nicoli_s | i always thought it was 100% orange, 66% yellow and 33% green and 0 % grey |
| 21:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | it's voodoo. On the server side there are small gnomes performing arcane and vile rituals to determine if you get a skillup. |
| 21:26.43 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: So server crashes are the gnomes demanding a lunch break? |
| 21:26.58 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Usually involving small. furry animals, duct-tape and lube. |
| 21:27.02 | foxlit | Personally, I think yellow recipes are worth it if they cost about 60% of what the orange ones do. |
| 21:27.12 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 21:27.14 | Dagmar | Maul is dead wrong |
| 21:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: hey, I don't go into the sordid details of their rituals. too creepy for me. |
| 21:27.21 | Dewin | Dagmar: Huh? |
| 21:27.21 | Dagmar | This is pretty much the definition of code obfuscation |
| 21:27.59 | nicoli_s | you mean for the peggle thing? from what i could tell, they are just putting what would normally be the binary data in level files in ascii and loading it that way |
| 21:28.02 | alestane | I think the assertion is that they are not executing any of their garbage strings. |
| 21:28.04 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: so im running into an issue that i cant ctrl-rightclick on 49.50, 69.00 in storm peaks, GetMouseFocus():GetName() is WorldMapFramePOI1 when i cant create a tomtom waypoint, if i move the mouse to where I can create one then its WorldMapButton |
| 21:28.22 | Dagmar | Look more closely at that "one line" |
| 21:28.31 | Dagmar | The binary goop is to keep you from seeing the *rest* of it |
| 21:28.40 | alestane | I haven't looked at the code at all, beyond what was posted in the thread. |
| 21:28.42 | nicoli_s | i havent looked at the code, just skimmed the thread |
| 21:28.47 | Dagmar | ...because there's a lot of editors that just won't show you anything past a certain part in the line |
| 21:28.54 | Dagmar | That line is THOUSANDS of characters long |
| 21:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | what code are we talking about, out of curiosity? |
| 21:29.03 | nicoli_s | for the addon peggle |
| 21:29.04 | Dagmar | The Peggle addon |
| 21:29.09 | Dewin | there's a peggle addon? |
| 21:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 21:29.13 | Dewin | in addition to bejewelled? |
| 21:29.15 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 21:29.28 | foxlit | Screw it |
| 21:29.30 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what thread? |
| 21:29.36 | foxlit | From now on, I'm just releasing TM implementations |
| 21:30.08 | Dagmar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=16473912523&ST=US-452733-Px22BDtfGCeIrel65Iz4EfJbWOhWAU0gTrF |
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| 21:30.29 | Cruciformer | Good evening everyone |
| 21:31.16 | alestane | ~hello |
| 21:31.17 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 21:32.19 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: maul is probably talking about bejeweled |
| 21:32.21 | geargrind | http://www.cynical-c.com/?p=13236 |
| 21:32.28 | Arrowmaster | i didnt even realize there was a new peggle addon |
| 21:33.16 | Dewin | I didn't either. Must install now. |
| 21:34.06 | Maul | No, I was talking about peggle :P And the garbage part does not look like it gets executed. It is merely a string, possibly a hashed string, which is not a violation of policy. But whatever. |
| 21:34.35 | Arrowmaster | where do you get this new addon? |
| 21:34.41 | Maul | wowinterface |
| 21:35.06 | Lunessa | ... Hiya Maul. |
| 21:35.10 | Maul | hiya :) |
| 21:35.12 | Cruciformer | someone in #lua informed me there are patches to Lua to implement a "continue" statement like C, to go to the next itteration of a loop. I dont suppose wow implements such patches do they? |
| 21:35.13 | Dewin | wow, I've never seen Maul in here. |
| 21:35.25 | krka | Cruciformer: nope |
| 21:35.27 | Dewin | Hi Maul. |
| 21:35.34 | Dagmar | Maul: It's because most Windows editors will simply not show you a line that's longer than a certain size |
| 21:35.37 | Cruciformer | *cry* |
| 21:35.38 | Dewin | <3 your addons, would buy a case of coak if I had money. |
| 21:35.42 | Dewin | coke* too |
| 21:35.48 | krka | it's not really a big loss though |
| 21:35.50 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: any proper code editor will show it fine |
| 21:35.54 | krka | you can work around it |
| 21:35.54 | Maul | Hi, I come in on occasion, usually when there is something exciting going on in the addon world :) |
| 21:36.07 | krka | i've never even needed it, neither in c, java or lua |
| 21:36.15 | Cruciformer | its not the end of the world no, just makes indentation deeper than it needs to be. Im a bit of an indentation azi :P |
| 21:36.23 | Maul | I am using UltraEdit, and I can read it fine |
| 21:36.45 | Lunessa | Textwrangler shows me the whole thing. |
| 21:36.49 | Dagmar | CrimsonEdit and Notepad won't. |
| 21:36.57 | Dagmar | Either way, it's one damn line that's 33K long |
| 21:37.05 | Dagmar | This is obfuscating, period. |
| 21:37.23 | Arrowmaster | hell i was able to read the old carbonite file in scite (i did have to revert back to 1.76 though, something in the lexer broke and started hating long lines) |
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| 21:37.31 | Arrowmaster | and teh old carbonite file would crash vim |
| 21:37.56 | Maul | Well, it is between Blizzard and the author, and since peggle is put out by a company, they have more to lose in defying Blizzard's policy. I think they are okay, though. |
| 21:37.59 | Grum | mm it didnt? |
| 21:38.00 | Cruciformer | which version of vim? Ive yet to see it crash |
| 21:38.22 | Arrowmaster | 7.1 i think |
| 21:38.24 | Grum | just 'finding matching brackets' hurted like HELL |
| 21:38.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Maul: while i agree with you, this is wow, the community believes it has a right to have 100% participation in everything even vaguely related to the game. :P |
| 21:38.51 | alestane | Lunessa: I have pasted lines into TextWrangler that it will not display the end of. |
| 21:38.52 | Cruciformer | ah yeah the stock 7.1 thats available on vim.org is borked. You need a more modern version. I know I had a problem wuith ultramon until I patched |
| 21:38.53 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: ZOMG! No wai. |
| 21:39.06 | Dewin | Maul: It's not like they make any money from the version that's in WoW, and if anything did happen there'd likely be articles going "Blizzard bans minigame addon" and everyone would go to Popcap's site to see what the fuss was about. I think they win either way, really. |
| 21:39.07 | Dagmar | I could care less about the nonsense NightHawk is slinging |
| 21:39.09 | Shirik | vim crashing does not sound good |
| 21:39.09 | Cruciformer | Im using 7.2.148 and its been rock solid |
| 21:39.24 | Lunessa | alestane: It looks fine to me in TextWrangler, just opening the .lua file. |
| 21:39.35 | Maul | hehe, I know, but I think the UI & Macros forum needs some calm after the wowmatrix storm :P |
| 21:39.36 | Arrowmaster | im also wondering if thats actually by popcap too, afaik bejeweled was by somebody else that made a clone of it with different graphics and they paid him to turn it into an official port |
| 21:39.37 | Dagmar | If people aren't allowed to put donation info into chat because of a strict interpretation then sure as hell some company doesn't get to ignore the code obfuscation tenet |
| 21:39.39 | Cruciformer | shirik: At least it leaves behind its swap files so you dont actually lose any data |
| 21:39.49 | Shirik | it doesn't matter |
| 21:39.50 | alestane | Lunessa: I'm not saying that the line in question is long enough, just that TextWrangler does appear to have a limit. |
| 21:39.51 | Shirik | vim should never crash |
| 21:39.52 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: with or without softwrapping lines? |
| 21:39.58 | Cruciformer | Oh I agree :) |
| 21:40.01 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: Without. |
| 21:40.04 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* gotcha. |
| 21:40.13 | Arrowmaster | Cruciformer: well it was the vim that was on my debian lenny box when lenny was still in testing |
| 21:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i wonder if that makes a difference.... |
| 21:40.22 | Cruciformer | but notepad crashing = loss of data whish is worse |
| 21:41.12 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: You can see the text running off the edge of the window, so I suspect it's some kind of limit of the scroll bar max value or something. We're talking about a line that was at least 2k long. |
| 21:41.14 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: okay, any other map addons running |
| 21:41.21 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: makes sense, I just need to figure out how to fix it =) |
| 21:41.32 | jnwhiteh | there's probably a POI function, but I can't just hook it anymore.. |
| 21:41.37 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: mapster, handynotes, gathermate, routes |
| 21:41.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: *nod* that's what i was getting at, which makes it more a UI limit than a data limit, i think. :P But still |
| 21:41.50 | alestane | Actually, I think it was 8k. |
| 21:41.53 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: crumulet (sp) |
| 21:41.53 | batbot | Arrowmaster, nothing found. |
| 21:42.10 | Taroven | Cromulent? |
| 21:42.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:42.26 | alestane | Oh, it preserved the contents of the whole line. I could copy and paste it into something else without losing anything. TextWrangler just couldn't accomodate the whole thing in its window. |
| 21:43.21 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: any help you can provide would be helpful :P |
| 21:43.34 | Dagmar | alestane: The line is over 30K long |
| 21:43.41 | Dagmar | It ain't just 2k |
| 21:43.54 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: im still ingame and havent reloaded since i noticed it |
| 21:43.55 | Shirik | so are whelps baby dragons? |
| 21:44.01 | Shirik | Like, was onyxia once a whelp? |
| 21:44.06 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 21:44.11 | NightHawkTheSane | presumably yes |
| 21:44.14 | Dagmar | Piles and piles of one-letter variables are also another giveaway |
| 21:44.14 | NeoTron | kind of like a dragon tadpole |
| 21:44.27 | Shirik | dragons seem to have a lot of babies, then |
| 21:44.33 | Shirik | why are there not more of them full size? |
| 21:44.39 | NeoTron | haven't you seen onyxia's cave? :P |
| 21:44.41 | Cruciformer | dragons: the new rabbits |
| 21:44.50 | NeoTron | because they are killed in droves by low level adventurers |
| 21:45.01 | Maul | Actually, the string in question is 11622 characters in length, you get 30k if you include all the other text strings, which are readable, mostly credits |
| 21:45.07 | Shirik | like, damn, look at how many babies that one drake has in OS |
| 21:45.10 | Shirik | every minute or so |
| 21:45.14 | Shirik | she's been working it |
| 21:45.20 | Dagmar | So how long have you been working for them? |
| 21:45.33 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's the silicone lips |
| 21:46.24 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Are you just looking for a fight? I'm only asking because you're unusually hostile today. |
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| 21:47.16 | Dagmar | I'm just shocked anyone would declare this code to be _not_ obfuscated. |
| 21:47.23 | Dagmar | It completely blows my mind |
| 21:47.48 | Dagmar | It's like saying "Fire's not really all that hot" |
| 21:48.26 | Duman | omg peggle addon |
| 21:48.28 | Duman | my life is over |
| 21:48.33 | mikma | ubuntu 9.04 :) |
| 21:48.34 | Cruciformer | is obfuscation against some blizzard policy? |
| 21:48.35 | Duman | between that and bejeweled |
| 21:48.56 | krka | Cruciformer: yes |
| 21:49.03 | mikma | ajmitch: released ^^ |
| 21:49.15 | Cruciformer | thats nice to know. People should be able to see what they are getting themselves into. |
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| 21:50.00 | foxlit | http://underhanded.xcott.com/ |
| 21:50.01 | Cruciformer | I wonder if anyone has ever made a Lua patch for GNU's "indent". that would be a real quick and easy way to de-obfuscate code |
| 21:50.15 | ajmitch | mikma: yeah, I was far too busy raiding to care :) |
| 21:50.16 | krka | partially atleast |
| 21:50.22 | krka | and yes, i have made a function for that |
| 21:51.02 | Cruciformer | it wouldnt get arounbd calling all variables "a1", "a2" etc but that could be argued you just have poor variable naming taste :) |
| 21:51.02 | krka | it doesn't insert newlines though, but that could be added easily, after certain keywords |
| 21:51.08 | krka | or before keywords |
| 21:51.19 | krka | like after then/do and before local/end/return |
| 21:51.43 | mikma | ajmitch: heh i was busy coding and playing with my lvl64 lock, then i suddenly remembered |
| 21:52.28 | ajmitch | mikma: I was alt-tabbed to irc & watching the local ubuntu channel though at times |
| 21:52.52 | ajmitch | it's not like the tank has much to do on bosses like xt-002 afterall |
| 21:53.03 | mikma | now i should say byebye windows and test that |
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| 21:53.47 | ajmitch | was running wow on jaunty anyway |
| 21:53.50 | NeoTron | ajmitch: on our last XT-002 kill the MT DC'd for the last 20 something percent |
| 21:54.30 | Cruciformer | speaking od deconstructor did they extend the enrage timner to 8 mins? |
| 21:54.43 | ajmitch | yeah, I remember that happening with solarian, somehow the tank was still autoattacking after his client crashed |
| 21:54.54 | Cruciformer | it seemed to enrage slower last night for us |
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| 21:55.01 | ajmitch | not sure if it's 7 or 8 minutes, but it's an easy kill now |
| 21:55.26 | Cruciformer | if your mages spec into survivability and dont die when they're on add duty, its easy :P |
| 21:55.46 | Arrowmaster | you know i am going to have to say that yes Peggle does seem somewhat obfuscuated just because its really hard to figure out what this table is used for, later on the same variable name is reused as a local |
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| 21:57.39 | krka | basically, you just got to ask - is this the source that the developers develop directly on? |
| 21:57.52 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:57.58 | Arrowmaster | they ran it through luasrcdiet |
| 21:59.01 | Arrowmaster | which i dont really have a problem with for bejeweled, but that table with the long string that looks encoded just brings up questions |
| 21:59.38 | Arrowmaster | but its funny they didnt manually remove this from the first line |
| 21:59.47 | Arrowmaster | e.debugMode=nil;local t=function(...)if(e.debugMode)then print(...) end end |
| 22:00.41 | Grum | is there anything which can undo that 'luasrcdiet' easily? :) |
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| 22:00.48 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 22:01.08 | nevcairiel | does it rename functions and variables too? |
| 22:01.09 | Arrowmaster | it removes all comments and all local variable names are completely lost |
| 22:01.20 | foxlit | "LuaSrcDiet reduces the size of Lua 5.1.x source files by aggressively removing all unnecessary whitespace and comments, optimizing constant tokens, and renaming local variables to shorter names." |
| 22:01.36 | nevcairiel | you could at least get some tool to re-indent the file |
| 22:01.40 | nevcairiel | and it would be half-readable |
| 22:01.49 | amro | Arrowmaster: isn't it a datablock? |
| 22:02.03 | Arrowmaster | amro: i cant find where its even used |
| 22:02.14 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/hippocrates-is-rolling-over-in-his-grave/780 |
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| 22:02.21 | jnwhiteh | gsub/faiap would work just fine to straighten it back out, as krka said |
| 22:03.57 | krka | jnwhiteh: if you added handling for splitting into many lines too |
| 22:04.09 | jnwhiteh | yes, this is what i meant |
| 22:04.17 | krka | with the gsub? |
| 22:04.25 | krka | hmm, yeah it would be a bit easier with gsub |
| 22:04.38 | jnwhiteh | keywords are still keywords :P |
| 22:04.45 | krka | gsub("local", "\nlocal") |
| 22:04.50 | krka | something like that? |
| 22:04.55 | Arrowmaster | somebody remove it and see if the addon still works, be careful to not remove the localizations that are after it on the same line |
| 22:05.04 | nevcairiel | gsub(";", "\n") imho =) |
| 22:05.32 | krka | my editor does not approve of peggle |
| 22:05.41 | Arrowmaster | what editor? |
| 22:05.43 | Trela | I just looked at Bejeweled/Peggle. That is 100% obfuscated. |
| 22:06.06 | jnwhiteh | thanks for your professional opinion |
| 22:06.31 | Trela | Okay, maybe 90% since there is no encryption. :P |
| 22:06.36 | Arrowmaster | 100% obfuscated is abusing loadstring |
| 22:06.37 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 22:06.42 | jnwhiteh | the question is whether or not Blizzard cares |
| 22:06.45 | jnwhiteh | and the answer is not likely |
| 22:06.47 | Arrowmaster | i searched for loadstring and couldnt find it |
| 22:06.53 | jnwhiteh | no, the code is all there |
| 22:06.55 | jnwhiteh | its nothing nefarious |
| 22:07.04 | nevcairiel | all they do is run it through the diet |
| 22:07.10 | jnwhiteh | which is well know |
| 22:07.11 | jnwhiteh | n |
| 22:07.13 | jnwhiteh | and thus reversible |
| 22:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: well, more properly i think the question is a) does blizzard consider it obfuscation, and b) if so, will they do anything about it |
| 22:07.20 | krka | blizzard of course have the say on if they want to do anything about it or not |
| 22:07.20 | jnwhiteh | they're not trying to hide anything |
| 22:07.26 | krka | but the policy atleast disapproves of this |
| 22:07.27 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: It IS obfuscation |
| 22:07.31 | jnwhiteh | there is no doubt about that |
| 22:07.37 | jnwhiteh | but the whole POINT of the policy is individual cases |
| 22:07.39 | jnwhiteh | degrees of violation |
| 22:07.45 | kd3 | whee, lightning struke |
| 22:07.46 | Arrowmaster | just is it malicious obfuscation |
| 22:07.46 | krka | yeah, this does NOT improve performance in anyway |
| 22:07.47 | jnwhiteh | that's what this whole damn argument we've been having for a month is a bout |
| 22:07.49 | kd3 | let's see if I go poof |
| 22:07.51 | krka | just readability |
| 22:08.00 | jnwhiteh | krka: yes, and that's reasonable |
| 22:08.02 | jnwhiteh | In my opinion |
| 22:08.11 | jnwhiteh | it prevents people from easily making changes to the game, letting it be played as it was intended |
| 22:08.14 | Arrowmaster | krka: other forms of obfuscation actually decrease performance though |
| 22:08.19 | jnwhiteh | any one of us can make aas many changes as we want |
| 22:08.28 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard knows/knew/is aware of Bejeweled |
| 22:08.30 | jnwhiteh | its been reported |
| 22:08.32 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: er, i basically meant what krka said. |
| 22:08.49 | Arrowmaster | luasrcdiet shouldnt be changing the what the compiled bytecode is afaik |
| 22:09.07 | NightHawkTheSane | goes off to do actual work |
| 22:09.08 | krka | nice... le is never used |
| 22:09.19 | Arrowmaster | krka: did you test it by removing it? |
| 22:09.43 | Arrowmaster | i found a 'local le' elsewhere |
| 22:10.05 | Arrowmaster | i wonder |
| 22:10.25 | jnwhiteh | obfuscation in preform AV enabler.. bad |
| 22:10.28 | jnwhiteh | obfuscation here, probably fine. |
| 22:10.30 | krka | no wait, it might be |
| 22:10.31 | Arrowmaster | run the code through luasrcdiet again, think that would show if they modified it after runing it through luasrcdiet? |
| 22:10.34 | Dagmar | Well, there's plenty beyond that. |
| 22:10.41 | krka | if the next local le i found is inside a function |
| 22:10.48 | krka | or any block |
| 22:10.49 | Dagmar | One letter variables and two-letter function names are a big giveaway. |
| 22:11.41 | jnwhiteh | a giveaway to what? |
| 22:11.45 | jnwhiteh | or of what? |
| 22:11.51 | Dagmar | That the code is not meant to be read by humans. |
| 22:11.55 | jnwhiteh | Moongazer has been 100% clear from the start that he uses luasrcdiet |
| 22:12.03 | jnwhiteh | there is no debate about whether or not the mod is obfuscated |
| 22:12.12 | Dagmar | WEll, to sane people. |
| 22:12.22 | Lunessa | Win: http://notalwaysright.com/delicious-perhaps-not-so-nutritious/1789 |
| 22:12.25 | Dagmar | There's people on that forum threat claiming it's not deliberately obfuscated. |
| 22:12.33 | jnwhiteh | they're wrong |
| 22:12.36 | jnwhiteh | it is |
| 22:12.42 | jnwhiteh | but the policy is just a set of guidelines |
| 22:12.44 | krka | the last line is funny |
| 22:12.45 | krka | p();local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e; |
| 22:12.55 | jnwhiteh | someone is welcome to report it, and if Blizzard takes action, then we know! |
| 22:12.58 | jnwhiteh | problem solved |
| 22:13.05 | krka | no one writes source code like this manually |
| 22:13.13 | jnwhiteh | of course not |
| 22:13.17 | jnwhiteh | the author TOLD us he uses luasrcdiet |
| 22:13.18 | NeoTron | if it's not considered obfuscated it's not exactly a very harsh rule |
| 22:13.38 | jnwhiteh | NeoTron: it IS considered obfuscated |
| 22:13.39 | Dagmar | If it's not considered obfuscated then there's rainbows coming out of me in places I'd rather they didn't. |
| 22:13.40 | jnwhiteh | *forehead* |
| 22:13.44 | jnwhiteh | i feel like i'm taking crazy pills. |
| 22:13.46 | NeoTron | and it's clearly "shrunk" to make it harder to read and understand, not to save a few bytes |
| 22:13.58 | jnwhiteh | of course! |
| 22:14.05 | jnwhiteh | no one in this channel is denying this |
| 22:14.19 | NeoTron | what I'm saying is that if Blizzard allows it, they aren't serious about their rules. that is all |
| 22:14.28 | jnwhiteh | its a policy |
| 22:14.30 | Trela | The real issue is that if Blizzard says it is fine in its current form --> What NeoTron said. |
| 22:14.33 | jnwhiteh | case-by-case basis. |
| 22:14.35 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 22:14.40 | jnwhiteh | they can do whatever they want |
| 22:14.42 | jnwhiteh | its their policy |
| 22:14.45 | jnwhiteh | they are telling you what the do and don't want |
| 22:14.49 | jnwhiteh | what happens after that is up to them |
| 22:14.51 | Dagmar | I'm fine with Blizz saying in this case it's okay because it curbs cheating, but who the hell really cares if their guildmates cheat at peggle? |
| 22:14.53 | Arrowmaster | the obfuscation rule was most likely ment to be used against stuff like the old carbonite and the bangcraft addons that used obfuscation methods that caused perfomance decreases |
| 22:15.13 | krka | jnwhiteh: well, atleast i think it's obfuscation. |
| 22:15.16 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: and Preform AV |
| 22:15.17 | jnwhiteh | krka: IT IS |
| 22:15.19 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 22:15.20 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 22:15.23 | krka | i wonder if i am driving jnwhiteh crazy yet |
| 22:15.23 | jnwhiteh | there should be no debate there in the least |
| 22:15.24 | krka | :P |
| 22:15.26 | jnwhiteh | it is obfuscated. |
| 22:15.26 | jnwhiteh | period. |
| 22:15.27 | NeoTron | jnwhiteh: of course. however if they choose to not act now, they essentially put themself in a situation where they can't act against another party using the same method of obfuscation |
| 22:15.36 | jnwhiteh | NeoTron: no, that's not true |
| 22:15.38 | jnwhiteh | its completely up to them |
| 22:15.39 | jnwhiteh | 100% |
| 22:15.42 | jnwhiteh | the policy is not legally binding |
| 22:15.45 | jnwhiteh | it has no relevance |
| 22:15.47 | krka | jnwhiteh: sorry, that last comment of mine was intentional to tease you :P |
| 22:15.53 | jnwhiteh | its a set of guidelines to inform us what they feel is right or wrong |
| 22:15.56 | jnwhiteh | that's all, that's it, period. |
| 22:16.22 | jnwhiteh | they don't have to be consistent, and we can call them assholes if they aren't. |
| 22:16.26 | Arrowmaster | so again, do you think running something through luasrcdiet and then running the result through again would modify it in any way? |
| 22:16.28 | Trela | It could easily lead to protests and revolts when AddOn authors get unfairly treated. If that were to happen. |
| 22:16.31 | Zynderps | splodes |
| 22:16.53 | Trela | Arrowmaster: I do not believe so. Give it a try? |
| 22:17.02 | krka | Arrowmaster: yes, each run would half the size |
| 22:17.13 | jnwhiteh | Trela: but that has no relevance here, at all |
| 22:17.21 | NeoTron | jnwhiteh: scenario: I make an addon that I obfuscate using the same method. They ban it. I sue them for unfair treatment since they banned my addon but not Peggle. Likely to happen, no, but certainly possible. |
| 22:17.30 | jnwhiteh | Go ahead and sue them |
| 22:17.31 | jnwhiteh | and we'll see |
| 22:17.39 | jnwhiteh | that's how you can find out |
| 22:17.42 | jnwhiteh | but its their playground |
| 22:18.27 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: it could, if each run does not modify the result you could use it to show if the result was modified to further obfuscate it |
| 22:18.27 | Dagmar | krka: So they should run luasrcdiet on it repeatedly until it's about 2k total length. |
| 22:18.49 | NeoTron | just like FLAC will half the size of any file. run repetedly for 1 byte sound files! |
| 22:19.07 | krka | don't see how any of us could sue any addon author based on the policy and expect to win |
| 22:19.08 | Dagmar | Personally i'd aim for 42 bytes in length. |
| 22:19.12 | krka | only blizzard could pull that off |
| 22:19.17 | Dewin | NeoTron: I have a 100% efficient compression algorithm. |
| 22:19.23 | Dewin | I'm still working on the decompression algorithm. |
| 22:19.26 | NeoTron | don't recall where I saw it now - was a long time ago - but someone insisted that some <new compression method> could reduce the size on any file |
| 22:19.38 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Probably from Steve Gibson |
| 22:20.01 | NeoTron | pretty revolutionary though! |
| 22:20.21 | Dewin | you can get a tiny bit of compression re-zipping a zip file, once. |
| 22:20.43 | Dewin | since the catalog isn't compressed |
| 22:21.21 | ajmitch | Dagmar: but Steve Gibson never exaggerates |
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| 22:21.50 | kd3|hate`net | called it |
| 22:21.52 | kd3|hate`net | sigh |
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| 22:34.35 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: HN:WorldMapButton_OnClick is confusing |
| 22:36.17 | Cruciformer | im off to get ready for raid. night all. |
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| 22:41.45 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: GetCurrentMapAreaID() <= that new? |
| 22:41.54 | jnwhiteh | i believe so, yes. |
| 22:42.18 | jnwhiteh | 9658 was the first build it appeared in |
| 22:42.30 | Arrowmaster | was that a 3.1 ptr build? |
| 22:42.47 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.47 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.48 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.50 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.52 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 22:43.37 | Thunder_Child | "[03:43] [2] <Sehnsucht>: i play on 3 different realms and this one is by far the most obsessed with anal" |
| 22:43.57 | Arrowmaster | i found it used for the wintergrasp countdown timer in the worldmap, they added a new function for something they could have used GetMapInfo() for like weve been doing for a long time |
| 22:44.01 | Dagmar | GMs must be slacking on the bans |
| 22:44.02 | NeoTron | anal [Serenity] |
| 22:44.03 | NeoTron | har har |
| 22:44.31 | Trela | Weirdest line ever from the Peggle.lua file. local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e; |
| 22:44.39 | Dagmar | They should just make it so that the moment you type "anal" followed by a link it just puts a raidwarning text up that says "Your mother taught you better than that" and logs you out |
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| 22:49.55 | Antiarc | I think that in order for the Peggle people to defend their addon as non-obfuscated, they're going to have to provide a valid reason for condensing it. It's not performance, and it's not bandwidth, so what is it? |
| 22:50.07 | Antiarc | The only thing left is to make the code harder to read, which is the entire intent and purpose of obfuscation. |
| 22:50.30 | Hjalte | Wohoo, Peggle in wow! |
| 22:50.41 | Antiarc | Enjoy your 30mb of textures :P |
| 22:51.20 | Hjalte | It's still a fun game :) |
| 22:51.28 | Antiarc | Sure, no argument :P |
| 22:51.33 | Antiarc | But my UI is slow enough as-is! :P |
| 22:51.51 | Hjalte | Does anyone know how Blizzard will contact authors "directly" if they don't provide any info in the toc? |
| 22:52.15 | foxlit | THEY KNOW NOTHING! |
| 22:52.22 | foxlit | </Cramer> |
| 22:53.52 | Trela | Ah... This is weird. local Te = math.min;(Repeat for every math function.) |
| 22:53.56 | Dagmar | I suspect maybe we've got people in that thread who aren't coders so all code is equally unreadable to them |
| 22:54.20 | Dagmar | .... so they're looking at this code and deciding it's not obfuscated because it's no more unreadable than all the other code they can't read. |
| 22:54.55 | NeoTron | Dagmar: thatshwneyouwritewithoutusingwhitespaceorpunctionationskipusingcapitalletterstooandseeiftheythinghtatisobfuscated |
| 22:54.59 | Dagmar | Might as well go to France and bitch that people are speaking gibberish |
| 22:55.11 | Trela | I have actually created a copy that is fairly readable now. |
| 22:55.24 | Hjalte | Wasn't there another obfuscated game on wowinterface once, what happened to that? |
| 22:55.26 | Dagmar | Did you actually find a source prettifier for lua? |
| 22:55.53 | Trela | Nope! I am good at find and replace. :3 |
| 22:56.29 | Dagmar | That that one line is needlessly OMG-long speaks to hostile intent |
| 22:56.52 | Antiarc | I didn't find one, but I could write one pretty easily, I suspect |
| 22:57.00 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.17 | Antiarc | s/;/\n/ and then do block indenting |
| 22:57.24 | krka | faiap atleast fixes indentation |
| 22:58.11 | Trela | I replaced ; with ;\n and that makes it fairly readable to begin with. |
| 22:58.53 | krka | i didnt think luasrcdiet would add ; needlessly |
| 22:59.44 | Arrowmaster | i thought it would so it could be on a single line |
| 22:59.52 | Arrowmaster | ; is shorter than \r\n |
| 23:00.13 | Trela | That would be correct. |
| 23:00.23 | Trela | 10,250 lines when expanded. Yikes. |
| 23:00.43 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.50 | krka | for most code anyway |
| 23:00.51 | kd3 | the real reason code's obfuscated: to hide the fact it's utter crap! |
| 23:00.54 | Antiarc | I'm telling you, we just need to get pre-packager hooks set up to luasrcdiet all our addons |
| 23:01.13 | amro | Antiarc: I see a fun new thread on the forums |
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| 23:04.02 | Torhal | Antiarc: Twice. |
| 23:04.04 | Dagmar | ...and yet they didn't purge newlines from the _entire_ file, just enough to make a lot of editors croak the moment you try and open the file |
| 23:04.27 | Dagmar | I'd buy the "; is smaller than \n\r" argument if that had been done to the entire file |
| 23:04.27 | Arrowmaster | if your editor dies on it than its not a very good editor |
| 23:04.48 | Arrowmaster | i use my text editor to view memory dumps |
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| 23:04.51 | Dagmar | So what |
| 23:04.57 | Torhal | ? |
| 23:05.22 | Trela | TextMate hates long lines, but if you turn on word wrap it works fine. |
| 23:07.50 | Trela | I really would love why they need to redeclare local e; seven times. That really does nothing. >.>; |
| 23:08.01 | Antiarc | "I forgot to remove those at the end. That was the easiest way for me to make sure I don't go over 200 local variables >.> " |
| 23:08.06 | Dagmar | That's probably an artifact from luasrcdiet |
| 23:08.32 | Antiarc | That would have been commented if they didn't run it through luasrcdiet? |
| 23:08.41 | Dagmar | It's possible they had some dead variables they didn't realize they had, and since all the semantic value got stripped out of them, they were all named 'e' |
| 23:08.49 | Antiarc | Since I'm still banned, has anyone asked the question "why did you use luasrcdiet"? |
| 23:09.01 | Antiarc | It has no performance benefits, it has no appreciable bandwidth benefits |
| 23:09.12 | Antiarc | It has no load time benefits, it has no maintenance benefits |
| 23:09.15 | Dagmar | It looks like the answer to that is "to have a thinly-veiled excuse for obfuscating our code" |
| 23:09.19 | Antiarc | The only benefit is to make the code harder to read. |
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| 23:09.45 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.47 | Antiarc | If they can't give a valid benefit then the only option left is that they're deliberately obfuscating in violation of the policy. |
| 23:09.59 | Antiarc | Static memory usage is meaningless |
| 23:10.16 | krka | not really |
| 23:10.27 | Antiarc | Well if you're running with 256mb of ram, sure |
| 23:10.38 | krka | more memory usage means slower gc too |
| 23:10.41 | Antiarc | But luasrcdiet vs unobfuscated is going to run you how many more bytes? |
| 23:10.56 | Torhal | Over 9000! |
| 23:11.02 | Torhal | :D |
| 23:11.03 | krka | not sure |
| 23:11.13 | krka | and there is no way for us to know |
| 23:11.17 | Antiarc | Sure there is |
| 23:11.33 | krka | you'd need the unobfuscated code to compare with |
| 23:11.40 | Antiarc | Just use another large project |
| 23:11.45 | Trela | Antiarc: 278 versus 261 bytes. |
| 23:11.45 | Torhal | So obfuscate a piece of code. |
| 23:11.55 | Torhal | Trela: Negligable. |
| 23:11.56 | NeoTron | luasrcdiet via normal shouldn't change in-memory use at all |
| 23:12.07 | Antiarc | Aren't script buffers discarded after parsing anyhow? |
| 23:12.07 | krka | assuming the other project have the same length of local variable names? |
| 23:12.16 | krka | yes and no |
| 23:12.19 | Antiarc | Oh, you're talking about variable names? Heh. |
| 23:12.26 | krka | parts of it live on through the debug info |
| 23:12.35 | Antiarc | Well then, luasrcdiet for all, we don't want to violate Blizzard's "don't slow down the UI" policy. |
| 23:12.38 | krka | yes, it's only the debuginfo that causes the increased memory usage |
| 23:12.39 | Trela | assumes variables get mapped to a section of memory then ditched. |
| 23:12.46 | Antiarc | If I obfuscated all my mods I could save a few kb! Score! |
| 23:13.12 | Cloudwolf | hmm |
| 23:13.18 | Cloudwolf | blizzard likes to break things dont they? |
| 23:13.35 | Antiarc | They don't offer any support or expectation of backwards compatibiltiy |
| 23:13.35 | airtonix | so do i |
| 23:16.37 | Dagmar | Hell, if luasrcdiet suddenly isn't obfuscated then there isn't much reason why people can't wrap their code in four different layers of binhexing |
| 23:16.54 | Dagmar | At least you might get something readable after you debinhex the thing |
| 23:17.03 | TecnoBrat | I'm surprized there are as many newlines in this code as there is |
| 23:17.27 | Dagmar | I think the idea was to convince people that all the crap that's at the end of that local le declaration doesn't exist |
| 23:17.44 | Antiarc | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge-packager/tickets/20-author-selectable-support-for-lua-src-diet-pre-packaging/ |
| 23:17.44 | Antiarc | <_< |
| 23:17.57 | TecnoBrat | "p();local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;local e;" |
| 23:17.58 | TecnoBrat | rofl |
| 23:18.50 | Trela | replaces local e with borkborkbork. |
| 23:18.50 | Arrowmaster | the reason for that was already explained on the forums |
| 23:21.45 | Dagmar | From the Luasrcdiet site: "Squeezing the sources and renaming locals can be used as a weak form of obfuscation. However, note that the structure and arrangement of the source code stays exactly the same, so do not depend on such a weak form of obfuscation if you really needed heavy-duty obfuscation." |
| 23:21.52 | amro | Antiarc: win |
| 23:22.31 | Antiarc | Did you like how I pointed out that it's a bad idea to commit dieted code because it's unmaintainable? |
| 23:22.46 | Dagmar | I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to say |
| 23:22.55 | Dagmar | The people in that thread tho are being thick |
| 23:23.02 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh8VfFH78jY |
| 23:24.13 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: I FOUND IT! |
| 23:24.36 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: okay |
| 23:25.13 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: WorldMapPOI_OnClick calls _G.WorldMapButton_OnClick, you are nolonger hooking _G.WorldMapButton_OnClick |
| 23:25.23 | jnwhiteh | ah so I need to do them both |
| 23:25.25 | jnwhiteh | brilliant! |
| 23:26.02 | Dagmar | Just make a loop that hooks every possible call and call it a day |
| 23:26.29 | amro | mikma: the duration is a nice touch |
| 23:27.18 | Arrowmaster | imho just check if WorldMapButton:GetScript("OnMouseUp") == _G.WorldMapButton_OnClick then hook _G.WorldMapButton_OnClick and WorldMapButton:SetScript("OnMouseUp", _G.WorldMapButton_OnClick) else just hook _G.WorldMapButton_OnClick |
| 23:27.48 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: ^^ should be a universal way to handle the new xml stuff i think |
| 23:28.04 | jnwhiteh | do you mind taking a stab at it for me? |
| 23:28.10 | jnwhiteh | i have an early morning, so I was going to head ot bed |
| 23:28.16 | jnwhiteh | if not I can try to save it and look at it tomorow |
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| 23:30.23 | Arrowmaster | i can try, what do you want me to do with it then? |
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| 23:33.00 | TecnoBrat | what forum were you talking about? |
| 23:33.35 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh8VfFH78jY#t=5m16s |
| 23:34.21 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: w.t.f. |
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| 23:34.50 | mikma | :D |
| 23:35.34 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i think i found a new feature for AceHook-3.0 |
| 23:36.00 | Cairenn|afk | the hell ? |
| 23:36.37 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: it works |
| 23:36.37 | TecnoBrat | mikma, hahahhah the cat |
| 23:37.06 | Dagmar | I'm just a wee bit aghast that one of the coders has all but said "Yes we obfuscated this code" |
| 23:37.14 | Dagmar | ...and no one seems to have noticed yte. |
| 23:38.15 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112963 |
| 23:38.30 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: i found a handynotes bug |
| 23:38.44 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: but imho the fix is a new feature to AceHook-3.0 |
| 23:38.50 | mikma | cairenn|afk: whaaaaat? |
| 23:38.53 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 23:40.21 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh8VfFH78jY#t=10m33s |
| 23:40.30 | mikma | (south park wow ->) |
| 23:40.37 | mikma | + the next clip is awesome :D |
| 23:41.47 | Dagmar | Meh. You should check the latest Family Guy |
| 23:41.49 | Dagmar | Much better. |
| 23:42.00 | Dagmar | A whole musical bit about "Everything's better with a bag of weed!" |
| 23:52.45 | Trela | Peggle.lua has weird functions such as if (f(n,2) == 0) then end. |
| 23:52.59 | Antiarc | because it's - gasp - obfuscated |
| 23:53.28 | Antiarc | I don't really care if they do or don't obfuscated, but if they can, I'd better be able to, too :P |
| 23:54.23 | NeoTron | which is my main caveat if Blizzard lets it slide |
| 23:55.10 | Dagmar | I'm figuring at the end of the day Blizz will probably say "This use of obfuscation is okay" |
| 23:55.29 | Trela | That part does not even make sense though. :O f = math.fmod, so if (math.fmod(n, 2) == 0) then end. n = is just an increment counting for a do while loop. |
| 23:55.56 | Trela | Basically test all these numbers... To do nothing. |
| 23:57.16 | Syzgyn | So a guildy of mine just asked me if I could write an addon for him |
| 23:57.27 | Syzgyn | He wants a fully custom UI |
| 23:57.33 | Syzgyn | god knows why |
| 23:57.52 | Syzgyn | Then offered $100 |
| 23:57.53 | amro | Syzgyn: tell him to send a video to Pimp my UI |
| 23:57.57 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 23:58.30 | amro | hey, we could make a show. get zootfizzle to as star host |
| 23:59.04 | Syzgyn | Now he asked how to write mods himself, I told him to google 'programming lua' |
| 23:59.10 | Syzgyn | he replied 'k, brb' |
| 23:59.18 | NeoTron | this can't possibly end bad! |
