| 00:00.16 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/howsyourlag.png |
| 00:00.27 | Adys | mind the timestamps |
| 00:01.38 | Cloudwolf | win |
| 00:01.40 | Cloudwolf | http://xkcd.com/518/ |
| 00:02.30 | Cloudwolf | wow Adys epic server dcs |
| 00:03.08 | Adys | yeah |
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| 00:10.49 | Taroven | o.0 |
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| 00:19.06 | Cloudwolf | i remember 2.4 on my server (not too long ago but still) and so not only do you have A LOT of players coming back |
| 00:19.10 | Cloudwolf | because of all the new stuff |
| 00:19.18 | Cloudwolf | but our server box had a virus in it |
| 00:19.27 | Cloudwolf | server downage like 5 times a day |
| 00:19.56 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 00:20.02 | Arrowmaster | it did not have a virus |
| 00:20.13 | Cloudwolf | im not saying the patch had a virus |
| 00:20.19 | Cloudwolf | im saying our server supposedly did |
| 00:20.26 | Arrowmaster | and im saying it didnt |
| 00:20.33 | Cloudwolf | alrighty then |
| 00:20.47 | Arrowmaster | it was server instability from too many people |
| 00:21.02 | Arrowmaster | and im almost positive that the wow servers dont even run on windows |
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| 00:24.28 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: make that 100% |
| 00:24.48 | Cloudwolf | just because something doens't run on windows doesn't mean its virus immune. But yes instability from people and 2.4 having so many glitches with it. |
| 00:24.57 | Ackis | I had a virus on my penis |
| 00:25.14 | malreth | Ackis: you had a penis disease |
| 00:26.26 | Arrowmaster | do you know how many viruses there are for non windows operating systems? almost all of them would require somebody to download and run something infected that they shouldnt even be running on the servers |
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| 00:27.01 | malreth | that's a trojan |
| 00:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a trojan. |
| 00:27.27 | malreth | NO U |
| 00:27.32 | Kirov | My fiancee likes trojans |
| 00:27.33 | Kirov | wait |
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| 00:27.38 | Kirov | what are we talking about? |
| 00:28.31 | Gnarfoz | ancient persian cities, apparently |
| 00:28.51 | KarlKFI | trojans will let just about anything in their front door |
| 00:29.22 | KarlKFI | as long as it's disguised as a giant wooden rabit |
| 00:29.38 | malreth | i thought it was delivering Greek soldiers into a woman's vagina |
| 00:29.50 | KarlKFI | oh wait, that was the french |
| 00:29.58 | malreth | i've always called them my little Greek soldiers |
| 00:30.04 | AbsolutRayne | They need to start banning people for all these WoWMatrix threads. |
| 00:30.06 | malreth | go on little guys |
| 00:30.16 | malreth | swim *from* the light |
| 00:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: s/for all these.*// |
| 00:33.22 | Adys | Whats the name of the old actionbar addon everyone used? |
| 00:33.26 | Adys | never made it to version 2 |
| 00:33.45 | Adys | (vanilla stuff) |
| 00:36.01 | Dagmar | Trinity Bars? |
| 00:36.08 | Adys | no |
| 00:36.32 | malreth | Adys: no, you're wrong. you're thinking of Trinity Bars |
| 00:36.35 | Dagmar | Ah well |
| 00:36.39 | Adys | there was a v2 but without gui, thats as far as it got |
| 00:36.49 | Arrowmaster | flexbar |
| 00:36.52 | Adys | yeah |
| 00:37.02 | Adys | thanks |
| 00:37.09 | malreth | Arrowmaster, please. I think Adys knows that he's thinking of Trinity Bars |
| 00:37.20 | Adys | there's no trinity bar |
| 00:37.20 | malreth | saying otherwise would just confuse him |
| 00:37.36 | malreth | see... he's already spewing madness |
| 00:38.23 | Gnarfoz | get to the exit, trinity |
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| 00:43.16 | malreth | these rice crackers are "Oriental" flavor. i guess that means they taste like Chinese people. |
| 00:43.50 | Adys | they taste like trinitybars |
| 00:44.14 | malreth | oh, i love those |
| 00:44.36 | Adys | Im going through old shots |
| 00:44.40 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/mess.jpg |
| 00:44.42 | Adys | fun times |
| 00:46.55 | Tuller | perhaps you're using ct bottombar, there |
| 00:46.59 | Tuller | or perhaps DAB |
| 00:47.04 | Adys | I was using flexbar |
| 00:47.21 | Adys | I only ever used two bar addons, flexbar and bartender |
| 00:47.46 | nicoli_s | anyone know a good hex editor other than hex workshop? |
| 00:47.52 | Adys | bless |
| 00:47.57 | Adys | but it doesn't handle writing well |
| 00:48.03 | Tuller | I still think I want to write a good commandline actionbar type addon thingy |
| 00:48.05 | Adys | apart from that it's good |
| 00:48.15 | Adys | Tuller: try flexbar 2.. |
| 00:48.32 | Tuller | I did at one point |
| 00:49.30 | Tuller | I think what I really mean to say is I want to write something that I can abstract enough that i can write whatever type of GUI I wantish |
| 00:49.37 | Tuller | also cogsbar > flexbar |
| 00:49.58 | Dagmar | I'm totally happy with PitBull4 |
| 00:50.13 | Adys | pitbull does actionbars now? |
| 00:50.26 | Dagmar | About the only thing is lacks is a marshaller to punt the configs to people in a group who are too dim to do it right |
| 00:50.41 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 00:50.46 | Dagmar | drinks some more caffiene. |
| 00:51.09 | Dagmar | Sorry I'm a little spazzed, I just toted a 2U machine about a mile |
| 00:51.28 | Tuller | does pitbull have unitframes yet? :P |
| 00:51.29 | Dagmar | Macaroon's what I'm using for action bars, or will be again once the possess bar stops flaking |
| 00:52.31 | kd3 | ya, if there's one thing I wish pitbull had would be that. "here. take my config and play with it" |
| 00:52.52 | Dagmar | Yeah in the meantime i'm just extracting the savedvariables stuff and emailing it to people |
| 00:53.04 | Dagmar | It worth it, but it's a LOT of work |
| 00:53.14 | Tuller | I could have sworn pitbull did have a copy and paste thingy |
| 00:53.23 | kd3 | pb3 did |
| 00:53.25 | Dagmar | Not the new one |
| 00:53.26 | kd3 | iirc |
| 00:53.43 | Dagmar | The new one is also way, way more orderly and hierarchy-friendly |
| 00:53.56 | kd3 | yes. no need to copy the same config 38 times any more |
| 00:54.32 | Dagmar | It also doesnt' freak out when you flip in and out of config mode |
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| 00:55.35 | Lunessa | ... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910552&sid=1 /facepalm |
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| 00:56.15 | Dagmar | Someone complaining the client doesn't wipe for them? |
| 00:56.22 | Dagmar | Oh wow |
| 00:56.58 | alestane | And they swear they can program? |
| 00:57.00 | Dagmar | "I have a very unique addon that's fully operational and ready for release. The only holdup is converting it to this format lol. I've been sitting on this addon for a couple months now and can't find this framework anywhere." |
| 00:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "Way over my head lol. I just write code, I don't know all these terms. " |
| 00:57.13 | Dagmar | *hands over mouth* *stifling laughter* |
| 00:57.38 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 00:57.42 | Torhal | Translation: I have a bunch of REALLY fucking COOL ideas. I can't code, but the damn shit works I swear! |
| 00:57.46 | malreth | OH MY GODS I AM FILLED WITH RAGED!! |
| 00:58.17 | Lunessa | I mean, com'on. I'm an old programmer - and I'm not very good either, and yet.. .I never would claim I've gotten code ready to release when I can't even format my code. |
| 00:58.39 | Torhal | How the can you have a "fully operational" addon without code? WTF is that? |
| 00:58.51 | kd3 | maybe it's coded in VB? |
| 00:58.59 | Dagmar | Someone who has a spellchecker so it's not as obvious they're as high as Bob Dylan |
| 00:59.01 | Torhal | ...and it's fully operational HOW? :) |
| 00:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, Ace2 |
| 00:59.27 | Torhal | ScytheBlade1: Naw, ACE! |
| 00:59.28 | malreth | Torhal: Oh... It's quite operational. Soon your rebel friends will find out. |
| 00:59.29 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 00:59.39 | Torhal | malreth: ...*choke* |
| 00:59.44 | Lunessa | Wait, are you suggesting that Bob Dylan used /drugs/? THE HORROR! |
| 01:00.06 | Dagmar | Well, he was doing a whole lotta something |
| 01:00.11 | Cloudwolf | a crazy person? |
| 01:00.22 | Dagmar | ...although it's not what most kids would consider fun drugs nowadays |
| 01:00.30 | Lunessa | Ah, malreth. I thought I smelled your stench when I was brought on board. Only you would be so bold. |
| 01:00.34 | Taroven | Question. Would I be able to do something like "local x = foo[1] or bar[1]", using bar[1] if foo[1] is set to false? |
| 01:00.53 | malreth | Lunessa: is that a fake English accent? |
| 01:00.54 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:01.17 | Lunessa | malreth: Naturally. I have to import it from Canada. |
| 01:01.18 | Taroven | NightHawkTheSane: Thanks |
| 01:01.20 | Cloudwolf | well depends on what you mean by false |
| 01:01.27 | Cloudwolf | if you mean false as in non existant aka nil |
| 01:01.28 | Cloudwolf | then yes |
| 01:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.44 | Dagmar | Let's assume boolean |
| 01:01.51 | Cloudwolf | i just realised that lol |
| 01:02.01 | alestane | or false...if foo[1] == false in that example, bar[1] will be used. |
| 01:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://bash.org/?835030 |
| 01:02.31 | Taroven | XD |
| 01:02.35 | AbsolutRayne | What slot # is the OH Weapon / Shield? |
| 01:02.43 | kd3 | 17/18? |
| 01:02.46 | NightHawkTheSane | wowwiki probably knows |
| 01:02.48 | Cloudwolf | lua> local foo = false local bar="stuff" local bob = foo or bar print(bob) |
| 01:02.49 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: stuff |
| 01:03.21 | Cloudwolf | well my brain just failed me and over analyzed the or statement... |
| 01:03.26 | Taroven | XD |
| 01:04.13 | Cloudwolf | lua> local foo = false local bar="stuff" local bob = foo and bar print(bob) |
| 01:04.13 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: false |
| 01:05.00 | Taroven | Different approach. |
| 01:05.11 | Cloudwolf | ? |
| 01:05.16 | Taroven | I'll pastey the function real quick |
| 01:05.31 | Lunessa | Rayne - OH 17 |
| 01:05.49 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/112733 |
| 01:05.57 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: danke |
| 01:06.00 | Taroven | Tables are pulled from an external config file |
| 01:06.02 | AbsolutRayne | now I need to remember the command for it |
| 01:06.18 | Lunessa | Rayne - /equipslot 17 |
| 01:07.04 | AbsolutRayne | Does #showtooltip work for Items as well? |
| 01:07.17 | Cloudwolf | can macros perform different functions depending on a right or a left click? |
| 01:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:07.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i think. |
| 01:07.32 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:07.40 | Cloudwolf | lol which yep is to who? |
| 01:07.41 | kd3 | [btn:#] |
| 01:07.45 | Dagmar | So long as the commands you're invoking support conditionals |
| 01:07.48 | Taroven | What I'm trying to do is set toffx/toffy to Clobber.layouts[layout].offset if it exists and is a table, or Clobber.config.textOffset otherwise |
| 01:07.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you can do #showtooltip item:666 |
| 01:08.11 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure if it'll automagically pick it up off an /equipslot command, but it should off a /use command |
| 01:08.15 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: There's examples in the macro FAQ thing on the UI forum |
| 01:08.23 | Lunessa | Cloudwolf: Yes, macros can performa different action based on which mousebutton is used to click them. |
| 01:08.32 | Dagmar | It's basically a bunch of [modifier:alt] kinda things |
| 01:08.47 | Cloudwolf | ty dagmar and lunessa |
| 01:09.52 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: Night got it right, it won't pick it up from an /equipslot command, but it will from a /use command. |
| 01:10.34 | Taroven | I guess the better question would be how to write that all out in a local |
| 01:10.51 | NightHawkTheSane | holy shit, i was right? |
| 01:11.50 | Thunder_Child | ~weather lax |
| 01:11.56 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 01:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | klax sounds like some strange laxative. |
| 01:12.18 | Taroven | local toffx = (lc.offset[1] and type(lc.offset) == "table") or cc.textOffset[1] |
| 01:12.19 | Taroven | maybe? |
| 01:12.57 | Cloudwolf | ~macro |
| 01:13.25 | Cloudwolf | dagmar can you find me a link please? XD imkinda looking and failing |
| 01:13.52 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.57 | Cloudwolf | what is the modifier to distinguish between right and left click? |
| 01:15.23 | Kraftman | [button:1] i think |
| 01:15.30 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: OKay, I *thought* it was there, but maybe it's on wowwiki. looking |
| 01:16.00 | Shirik | yay |
| 01:16.02 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Conditionals |
| 01:16.04 | Shirik | Our first fragment |
| 01:16.05 | Shirik | dropped |
| 01:16.06 | Dagmar | That. |
| 01:16.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I believe the macro guide was removed from the UI forums. |
| 01:17.05 | amro | Shirik: you got it? |
| 01:17.12 | Shirik | no I passed on it |
| 01:17.29 | Shirik | I put myself second in line (lol, that will never happen) |
| 01:17.49 | Cloudwolf | so would this work the same if im not casting a spell but running a script? |
| 01:17.51 | Shirik | we are convinced that it will be better for a paladin than a priest |
| 01:18.16 | Shirik | Though the drop rate seems fairly high |
| 01:18.19 | Shirik | or else we just got lucky |
| 01:18.38 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: If you're talking about lua code I think you have to poll things a different way |
| 01:18.45 | Dagmar | Those conditionals only work in macros, afaik |
| 01:19.05 | Cloudwolf | well its a macro that does |
| 01:19.17 | Cloudwolf | its a macro that does /run stuff |
| 01:19.27 | Dagmar | Well, if /run supports conditionals then you're good to go |
| 01:19.55 | Cloudwolf | doesn't seem so.. |
| 01:20.34 | Cloudwolf | thats too bad.... would make it easier to set my cam distance |
| 01:22.20 | Taroven | lua> local foo={1,2} local bar=3 local foobar=(foo[1] and type(foo) == "table") or bar print(foobar) |
| 01:22.21 | lua_bot | Taroven: true |
| 01:22.29 | Taroven | ...true? |
| 01:23.13 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.15 | Taroven | lua> local foo=1 local bar=3 local foobar=(foo[1] and type(foo) == "table") or bar print(foobar) |
| 01:23.15 | lua_bot | Taroven: luabot:1: attempt to index local 'foo' (a number value) |
| 01:23.42 | Taroven | lua> local foo=1 local bar=3 local foobar=((foo[1] and type(foo) == "table") or bar) print(foobar) |
| 01:23.43 | lua_bot | Taroven: luabot:1: attempt to index local 'foo' (a number value) |
| 01:23.46 | Lunessa | But /run can't use secure command options directly |
| 01:24.01 | Taroven | *shrug* |
| 01:24.16 | alestane | Lunessa: It can be done consisely in many cases if you set it up right. |
| 01:25.01 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, it can. But I am just CMA when I say it can get kind of long. |
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| 01:28.05 | Taroven | Excellent, figured it out. Had my type check in the wrong spot. =P |
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| 01:28.31 | Cloudwolf | http://xkcd.com/503/ |
| 01:28.33 | Cloudwolf | win |
| 01:29.01 | Taroven | XD |
| 01:29.44 | Shirik | Damn |
| 01:29.47 | Shirik | Auriaya is a bitch |
| 01:30.03 | malreth | Shirik: sexist |
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| 01:31.19 | batrick | no u r |
| 01:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://bash.org/?870063 |
| 01:40.03 | Dagmar | Weird. |
| 01:40.11 | Dagmar | I thought someone was supposed to shoot someone else at the end of those |
| 01:40.30 | Dagmar | I guess the media industry has given me an unrealistic impression of rappers |
| 01:40.56 | Shirik | rofl |
| 01:40.59 | Shirik | tank pulls Auriaya |
| 01:41.00 | AnduinLothar | "Cap his ass" please |
| 01:41.01 | Shirik | gets one shot |
| 01:41.03 | Shirik | dies |
| 01:41.04 | Shirik | reset |
| 01:41.19 | Shirik | actually wasn't tank, was ret pally |
| 01:41.49 | AnduinLothar | if your tank gets 1 shot you have bigger problems |
| 01:41.56 | Shirik | yeah it was ret pally pulling for us |
| 01:43.31 | Tem | how the hell do you pronounce "Auriaya" |
| 01:44.19 | Zyndrome | bitch with the cats |
| 01:45.10 | Wobin | that has a few more syllables than expected |
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| 01:46.35 | alestane | OH-ree-EYE-uh, I would think. |
| 01:48.19 | malreth | AW-ree-EYE-ya I figger |
| 01:48.55 | Lunessa | *snicker* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910552&sid=1 I don't know if I should poke him again or not. |
| 01:51.58 | Dagmar | He's one of those assholes that blames his failure on others. |
| 01:52.34 | malreth | The Cook Islands have opened up the .co.ck TLD. I feel the need to buy a few domains |
| 01:52.52 | Dagmar | It's not that he doesn't know what he's doing, it's that everyone just is mean to him by telling him what he doesn't know. |
| 01:53.04 | Dagmar | malreth: OMG |
| 01:53.15 | Dagmar | Who is their registrar? |
| 01:53.24 | Lunessa | malreth: malreth.has.a.huge ... ? |
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| 01:53.57 | malreth | you-dont-know.co.ck |
| 01:54.21 | malreth | you-need-to-wash-your-mouth-out-with-some.co.ck |
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| 01:55.31 | malreth | oh... there seem to be restrictions on it |
| 01:55.45 | Exawatt | Can someone explain how local functions work? Wouldn't they expire at the end of the file? |
| 01:55.45 | malreth | "Domain name must be related to company name or trademark" |
| 01:56.05 | malreth | Exawatt: they cannot be referenced outside of their enclosing code block |
| 01:56.29 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 01:56.30 | Exawatt | But they persist forever? |
| 01:56.33 | Dagmar | $450 for two years |
| 01:56.40 | amro | cock ain't cheap. |
| 01:56.47 | Exawatt | o.0 |
| 01:56.50 | malreth | Dagmar: yeah... i know... they're holding back my use of co.ck |
| 01:56.51 | Exawatt | I missed something. |
| 01:56.53 | Dagmar | That's a lot of money for an enormous.co.ck |
| 01:57.11 | malreth | my dreams of co.ck... shattered |
| 01:57.38 | amro | Exawatt: what do you mean by "forever"? |
| 01:57.40 | Arrowmaster | somebody in here had a 2 letter domain under some registar that wanted to start charging like $400 a year for renewal after he already purchased the domain for less |
| 01:57.47 | malreth | Exawatt: you're kinda thinking about them in the wrong way |
| 01:57.57 | Exawatt | I thought so. |
| 01:58.13 | malreth | local just limits their scope |
| 01:58.31 | Taroven | lua> local a=1 local b=2 local c = (a and b and 3) print(c) |
| 01:58.32 | lua_bot | Taroven: 3 |
| 01:58.45 | Arrowmaster | actually if you define it but then dont use it anyway else it would be GC'd after the file runs |
| 01:59.15 | Exawatt | Oh, so the fact that it's used somewhere keeps it from being destroyed? |
| 01:59.28 | Cloudwolf | malreth .co.ck = win |
| 01:59.41 | Exawatt | I thought all locals were presumed to be set to nil at the end of each block (ie end of file). |
| 02:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://bash.org/?803904 |
| 02:00.11 | Arrowmaster | 'next time you show up at a crime scene without me i show you how my taser works' 'promise?' |
| 02:00.17 | Arrowmaster | <3 nathon fillion |
| 02:00.26 | amro | Exawatt: no, they just go out of scope |
| 02:00.34 | amro | and if there are no more references to them, they will be garbage collected |
| 02:00.37 | malreth | Exawatt: no... they'll be out of scope so you can't reference them. but within the scope they're still valid |
| 02:00.42 | Lunessa | sbo - WIN |
| 02:00.51 | Exawatt | Oh. My view of locals was all wrong. |
| 02:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: indeed |
| 02:01.05 | malreth | Exawatt: no worries |
| 02:01.18 | malreth | now, Exawatt. you must make a cock joke. |
| 02:01.41 | Exawatt | I missed the start. |
| 02:01.55 | amro | [02:52:34] <malreth> The Cook Islands have opened up the .co.ck TLD. I feel the need to buy a few domains |
| 02:01.58 | Cloudwolf | lua> local bob = "" function hm() bob =".co.ck" end print(bob) |
| 02:01.58 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: No output |
| 02:02.00 | Cloudwolf | gah |
| 02:02.04 | Cloudwolf | i gota call the function |
| 02:02.05 | malreth | come on... it's not rocket science. it's just cock |
| 02:02.10 | Cloudwolf | lua> local bob = "" function hm() bob =".co.ck" end hmm() print(bob) |
| 02:02.11 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'hmm' (a nil value) |
| 02:02.17 | Cloudwolf | lua> local bob = "" function hm() bob =".co.ck" end hm() print(bob) |
| 02:02.17 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: .co.ck |
| 02:02.21 | Cloudwolf | there we go... |
| 02:02.41 | alestane | Lunessa: We'll see what he has to say now, because I doubt he'll be able to shut up. |
| 02:02.48 | Lunessa | http://bash.org/?174510 |
| 02:02.49 | Cloudwolf | lua> function hm() local bob=".co.uk" end hm() print(bob) |
| 02:02.49 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: nil |
| 02:03.24 | Exawatt | Har har. Cloudwolf's missing his .co.ck. |
| 02:03.27 | Exawatt | That was bad. |
| 02:03.58 | Cloudwolf | aww my .co.ck is gone i don't remember getting a sex change DAMN YOU DRUNKEN NIGHTS IN CALIFORNIA! |
| 02:03.59 | malreth | Exawatt: what you say excites me greatly |
| 02:04.00 | Lunessa | Awww, alestane you noticed I was gentle. |
| 02:04.16 | alestane | Not exactly "nice", but gentle. |
| 02:04.51 | amro | what are you talking about? how DARE he tell him to learn the basics? |
| 02:05.10 | amro | although sometimes you wish there was a ~pil on the forums |
| 02:06.27 | Cloudwolf | lol gentle |
| 02:07.22 | Lunessa | Oh, I was gentle. I didn't call him an idiot or worse. I just said I doubted very much that his code was fully functional and ready to release. |
| 02:09.33 | amro | Lunessa: agree |
| 02:09.37 | Dagmar | I'd bet a few hundies on it |
| 02:12.46 | Kraftman | havnt you heard about the new addon framework? |
| 02:13.44 | Kraftman | aparently blizzard want to make addons more complicated by using terms like 'variables' and 'tables' |
| 02:13.55 | Kraftman | to scare developers away |
| 02:14.42 | Lunessa | his last post... /facepalm. |
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| 02:15.42 | NightHawkTheSane | wowcompares doesn't have 3.1 live framexml? >.> |
| 02:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | last PTR is identical |
| 02:15.59 | ScytheBlade1 | or so I'm told |
| 02:16.05 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 02:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | at least for my purposes it probably is |
| 02:17.23 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, WatchFrame.lua, line 1.. -- Who watches the WatchFrame...? |
| 02:17.34 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
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| 02:18.15 | Dagmar | Good lord, the guy is either in deep denial or he was trolling all along. "It just looks pretty in the code. I don't want to release this addon yet because I think the whole myaddon_OnLoad() stuff with the underscores looks ugly as sin!" |
| 02:18.24 | Lunessa | No one. The WatchFrame is Judge, Jury and Executioner! |
| 02:18.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: and also your mom. |
| 02:18.52 | Dagmar | It's also unfair to twinks |
| 02:18.53 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I know. Why do you think I live so far away from her? |
| 02:18.56 | Arrowmaster | OMFG |
| 02:19.01 | Arrowmaster | <3 castle |
| 02:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: indeed. |
| 02:19.18 | Lunessa | The new TV show with Nathan Fillon? |
| 02:19.53 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:20.29 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I would like it more, if it was on TV when I'm not at work, and I wasn't forced to use ABC's shitty online tool. |
| 02:20.48 | AnduinLothar | how do you do target icons in chat again? |
| 02:20.50 | alestane | "...I know someone who is a cancer when I see it. I never ran it on merit. He may have helped here for 3 years, but Unkle needs knocked down a few pegs. " |
| 02:20.55 | Gngsk | {skull} |
| 02:21.00 | Exawatt | curly braces |
| 02:21.19 | Lunessa | Cancer? Actually, I'm a Taurus... |
| 02:21.24 | ZorbaGama | man I am having terrible luck with malygos groups. someone just tried to enter the instance and got the wrong portal . . . four times in a row |
| 02:21.40 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: just download it |
| 02:22.22 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: We had this conversation before. :/ I'm philosophically opposed. |
| 02:22.52 | Arrowmaster | he just faked being a bad shot at a shooting range then became a good shot when a bet was made |
| 02:23.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember having this conversation before |
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| 02:26.07 | Lunessa | It's been a while, but I'm opposed (personally) to downloading movies, music, etc. from sources not the ones with the right to redistribute. Part of my "don't be a hypocrite about IP rights" personal plan. |
| 02:26.43 | Lunessa | I need to just DVR the damned show and watch it that way. |
| 02:28.21 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45981 |
| 02:28.36 | Wobin | Dagmar: wow... he's um. A little uninformed |
| 02:28.52 | Wobin | "I've programmed stuff decades ago! I don't need to know syntax! IT SHOULD BE EASY" |
| 02:29.19 | mikma | in soviet russia... |
| 02:29.22 | mikma | SYNTAX KNOWS YOU! |
| 02:29.23 | Dagmar | "uninformed" is not the phrase I'd use |
| 02:29.35 | Wobin | yes, I'm trying to be diplomatic =P |
| 02:29.39 | Dagmar | A self-deluding twit is the phrase I'd be most likely to use |
| 02:29.40 | mikma | assmonkey |
| 02:29.46 | amro | ^ |
| 02:29.54 | Dagmar | He probably really believes he has a working plugin, even though it's just written in meta-code... |
| 02:30.00 | Dagmar | ...and has some pieces that still need working on. |
| 02:30.07 | Dagmar | ...oh and it's written out in crayon. |
| 02:30.13 | Wobin | on the wall |
| 02:30.21 | Dagmar | ...but he believes in it |
| 02:30.34 | mikma | dagmar: talking about the more than 60 values -thread? |
| 02:30.36 | Kraftman | ill show you! ill make.. a hello world addon! |
| 02:30.39 | amro | no it's a fully functional addon, it just looks ugly |
| 02:31.18 | Dagmar | mikma: No, this guy http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910552&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 02:31.40 | Wobin | oh goddamnit |
| 02:31.43 | Dagmar | He should probably go over to GaiaOnline where he can get admiration from the other kiddies for his claims |
| 02:31.48 | Wobin | why can't I post to the forums? |
| 02:31.54 | mikma | wait, wat |
| 02:31.59 | Dagmar | Wobin: becaus eit's not going to help anything |
| 02:32.08 | Wobin | Dagmar: It's probably a good thing |
| 02:32.10 | mikma | function() = table? |
| 02:32.18 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:32.19 | Wobin | but still, I'd like to know why I can't actually post |
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| 02:32.27 | Wobin | It's been two days at least |
| 02:32.32 | Wobin | since 'payday' |
| 02:32.37 | Wobin | they shouldn't have this issue |
| 02:32.46 | Wobin | *The characters on this account are unavailable, as the account has expired or is prohibited from posting. |
| 02:32.47 | Dagmar | I was trying to help out there, but tehy've got serious Endless September going on |
| 02:32.48 | mikma | wobin: and it's still not "playday"? |
| 02:32.53 | mikma | ah, ah, ah, see what i did thar? |
| 02:33.02 | Wobin | Nor have I received any notification that I've been prohibited |
| 02:33.10 | kd3 | cowers at the reminder of endless september |
| 02:33.13 | Wobin | mikma: I can still play fine |
| 02:33.21 | Wobin | I just can't login to post |
| 02:33.25 | mikma | yey |
| 02:33.38 | mikma | (yey on the last comment ofc) |
| 02:33.52 | Dagmar | kd3: Some kid posted a guide on building a PC, and I think he was consulting with the leprechaun that lives in his closet. He was telling people to look for triple-layer burners and a number of other thiings that simply don't exist. |
| 02:34.20 | Dagmar | kd3: Yet, *I* was somehow an asshole for telling him that tech forums are not the place to write fiction, and that half the things he talked about didn't exist |
| 02:34.22 | Zhinjio | mmmmm, leprechauns |
| 02:34.42 | amro | Dagmar: they do exist. at the end of a rainbow. |
| 02:35.14 | mikma | dagmar: ouuuuch! "MBASIC will not really help you." |
| 02:35.48 | Wobin | alright |
| 02:35.53 | Dagmar | I was nice. I even pointed out that even if everything he'd posted was dead wrong (which it very nearly was) it was at least reasonably coherently written, followed a logical progression, and went into reasonable levels of detail |
| 02:35.56 | Wobin | who do I poke to find out details on my account status? |
| 02:36.11 | Dagmar | Like, IF the kid had known what he was talking about, he would have probably been able to write for ComputerWorld at least |
| 02:36.20 | Dagmar | Wobin: Likely CS |
| 02:36.32 | amro | Wobin: billing department... though I figure it's just forums being slow to update |
| 02:36.39 | Dagmar | mikma: I think perhaps he was exagerrating how long ago he took classes |
| 02:36.47 | Dagmar | ...but I remember what they taught twenty years ago |
| 02:36.53 | Zhinjio | Dagmar: maybe he's from the future! |
| 02:37.19 | Wobin | amro: bah slow to update, wtf? I have a recurring account, it shouldn't be -that- difficult to maintain details |
| 02:38.01 | Dagmar | RPGII, COBOL, MBASIC (maybe) Fortran-77 and possibly Pascal was what he'd have been getting taught. |
| 02:38.02 | amro | Wobin: oh, in that case I have no idea. forum hiccup? there's a forum for forum bugs, I can post there on your behalf if you wish |
| 02:38.08 | Dagmar | None of it would be really useful now |
| 02:38.30 | Dagmar | Wobin: It might be pulling info from the battle.net servers? |
| 02:38.42 | Wobin | amro: *sigh* Lets give it another day to see if it resolves (Though I'm not expecting it to) but I'll avail myself of your offer then =) |
| 02:39.16 | amro | going to bed then |
| 02:39.16 | Wobin | As I said earlier, it's probably better that I'm prevented from posting at times =P |
| 02:39.17 | amro | night! |
| 02:39.22 | Wobin | sleep well! |
| 02:39.52 | mikma | wobin: you didn't sleep long, now did you? |
| 02:40.03 | Wobin | 7 hours? |
| 02:40.16 | Wobin | Not enough |
| 02:40.18 | NightHawkTheSane | !api string.format |
| 02:40.19 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.format' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.format |
| 02:40.20 | mikma | luxury |
| 02:40.28 | Wobin | but I need to shift my sleeping patterns back to a more normal scope |
| 02:40.53 | mikma | lol wat, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45981#comments |
| 02:41.04 | mikma | look at the "Sells for" part :D |
| 02:41.36 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45977 WAAAT! |
| 02:41.54 | Wobin | mikma: yeah they sell well |
| 02:42.21 | mikma | sell well? 100g :D |
| 02:43.51 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 02:43.52 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46023 |
| 02:43.53 | Wobin | win |
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| 02:45.46 | mikma | page nr.2 > all |
| 02:46.03 | mikma | "It's fine. What is your specialization?" |
| 02:46.16 | mikma | <The remaining pages have a level 99 requirement to read.> |
| 02:46.39 | mikma | that's cool |
| 02:46.55 | mikma | they have managed to make that story about affliction and retribution interesting |
| 02:47.35 | Dagmar | Oh wow there's more htan one new fishing pole model? cool |
| 02:48.10 | mikma | Leaning forward, she counted out loud until the invisible bubble dissipated with an audible pop. "Twelve seconds? I know you have abilities that last longer than that." |
| 02:50.24 | tekkub | glyph mastery books hittin 1k on my server now |
| 02:50.34 | tekkub | come on guys, lets get it down to 750g |
| 02:51.11 | Dagmar | They're not even that much on mine... low-pop server? |
| 02:51.26 | mikma | tekkub: wife paid 3x ~2k from the books |
| 02:51.36 | mikma | all she got from them was some lousy glyphs |
| 02:51.40 | tekkub | I've been limiting myself to 1.5k |
| 02:51.53 | tekkub | I've bought 3, waiting to recoup that money before I buy more |
| 02:51.55 | Cloudwolf | what do those books even do? |
| 02:52.01 | tekkub | new glyphs |
| 02:52.04 | mikma | teach you newglyphs |
| 02:52.22 | Cloudwolf | are they drops? |
| 02:52.23 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45912 |
| 02:52.25 | Cloudwolf | or crafted? |
| 02:52.30 | mikma | drops |
| 02:52.34 | tekkub | NR world drop[ |
| 02:52.56 | tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45912 |
| 02:53.02 | Taroven | ZOMG |
| 02:53.03 | tekkub | oh, mikmafail |
| 02:53.10 | Taroven | I just recoded half of my addon... AND IT STILL WORKS! |
| 02:53.11 | mikma | where, what |
| 02:53.11 | AnduinLothar | is there a macro replacement for "my icon" or the icon of player named/playerid X |
| 02:53.17 | mikma | why has i been pinged |
| 02:53.37 | Cloudwolf | you has been pinged for taroven's statement |
| 02:53.38 | mikma | taroven: good good. now, do it again :D |
| 02:53.55 | Shirik | Auriaya's sonic Screech hits Kimina for 18550 Physical (4703 Absorbed) (231757 Overkill) |
| 02:53.56 | Shirik | ^ Ow. |
| 02:54.13 | tekkub | "The book of glyph mastery has had its drop rate increased" |
| 02:54.15 | tekkub | yatta! |
| 02:54.22 | tekkub | that was 4 days ago |
| 02:54.23 | Dagmar | Nice |
| 02:54.24 | Wobin | tekkub: they've been trying to sell for up to 5k on my server |
| 02:54.28 | Dagmar | Awww |
| 02:54.35 | NightHawkTheSane | 5k? wow |
| 02:54.37 | tekkub | Wobin: they started at 15k on mine |
| 02:54.43 | NightHawkTheSane | highest i've seen here is 3-4k |
| 02:54.43 | Kazie | Wobin: they sold for 3k on mine |
| 02:54.43 | tekkub | the idiots quickly learned |
| 02:54.50 | Dagmar | tekkub: You know someone who paid 15k for one? |
| 02:54.56 | tekkub | not paid, no |
| 02:55.10 | tekkub | but the first batch sat at that price for 2 days before they expired |
| 02:55.14 | Dagmar | Okay so then it's more a matter of "idiots tried to charge 15k for one" then isn't it? |
| 02:55.17 | Cloudwolf | i think those are at about 2k ish on my server |
| 02:55.29 | Wobin | they're about 1-2k that sell on my server now |
| 02:55.29 | Dagmar | Yeah that's the thing people get mixed up about with the AH |
| 02:55.43 | Dagmar | If it's there, it generally means no one is willing to pay that |
| 02:56.14 | Dagmar | They've definitely been moving in the 500-1.1k range on Skywall |
| 02:56.17 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 02:56.24 | Dagmar | ...and even that's insanely high |
| 02:56.29 | Cloudwolf | unless you undercut on the ah |
| 02:56.31 | Cloudwolf | then it buys ^^ |
| 02:56.36 | tekkub | I'd gladly buy a few at 500g |
| 02:56.52 | Dagmar | Yeah, these newblets get their hands on something rare and get greedy |
| 02:56.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i might buy a couple at 500g |
| 02:56.54 | Wobin | you can easily make it back in the glyphs |
| 02:57.12 | tekkub | 1k is bordering on reasonable, 750g would be ideal, IMCO |
| 02:57.16 | mikma | well, true and not true |
| 02:57.20 | Dagmar | Wobin: This is assuming the thing isn't a craptacular glyph |
| 02:57.25 | mikma | if the glyph you got sucks balls.. tough luck |
| 02:57.25 | Wobin | true |
| 02:57.30 | Dagmar | ...which about half of them seem to be |
| 02:57.33 | Wobin | but get your hands on something like Kill Shot |
| 02:57.36 | Wobin | and you've got it made =P |
| 02:57.40 | Wobin | Or Howling Blast |
| 02:57.42 | mikma | my friend bought book with 1k, got howling blast, sells them for 100g |
| 02:57.47 | Dagmar | Kill Shot isn't even that hot outside of PvP uses |
| 02:57.48 | mikma | already sold 11x = win |
| 02:57.56 | NightHawkTheSane | for something that's, at best.. a 50/50 shot, I'm not really interested in spending more than 500g. |
| 02:58.13 | Dagmar | mikma: So his materials were free then? |
| 02:58.17 | Dagmar | Someone just gave them to him? |
| 02:58.20 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: It's still the highest damage shot for a hunter |
| 02:58.23 | mikma | dagmar: most likely he farmed them |
| 02:58.42 | Dagmar | mikma: So then he didn't actually make quite that much, because he could have sold the mats |
| 02:58.46 | Wobin | and being able to use it more than once in a fight is good dps |
| 02:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: i didn't mean kill shot specifically, i meant the chance of getting a good glyph |
| 02:58.58 | Wobin | oh =) |
| 02:59.03 | Dagmar | Wobin: It doesn't work like that |
| 02:59.07 | Wobin | Sorry, was confusing you with Dagmar =P |
| 02:59.13 | Dagmar | You can't fire it until your target is below 20% health |
| 02:59.16 | tekkub | anyone else ever find themselves answering NPCs? |
| 02:59.26 | Cloudwolf | what are all of your servers savory deviate delight sell prices? |
| 02:59.30 | Dagmar | So... during boss fights you might shoot it as much as three times |
| 02:59.33 | tekkub | "I hope you find something useful" ... "I hop eyou shut up and buy my junk |
| 02:59.46 | Dagmar | Every otehr time, nothing much is making killshot fire more than once |
| 02:59.57 | Dagmar | ...unless you're dealing with a damn cockroach paladin |
| 03:00.05 | Cloudwolf | cockroach paladin? |
| 03:00.10 | Wobin | Dagmar: well, there's always steadyshot glyph =P |
| 03:00.10 | NightHawkTheSane | So, before I go any further with this, will the gods of lua smite me down if i posthook GetQuestLogTitle, and do a string.format on the title to modify it slightly? :P |
| 03:00.25 | Dagmar | Yes, those irritating ret pallies that will squeak out a full heal or a bubble |
| 03:00.26 | mikma | wobin: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/mc_donalds_vomitin.jpg |
| 03:00.35 | Dagmar | Wobin:... which appears to WORK now! |
| 03:00.35 | Dagmar | :) |
| 03:00.48 | Wobin | They of course, patched the BoA Bow |
| 03:00.48 | Dagmar | ...as well as the Glyph of Mend Pet works again |
| 03:00.52 | Wobin | just as I'm about to hit 80 |
| 03:01.05 | Wobin | I'm really liking the explosive shot glyph |
| 03:01.15 | Dagmar | Wobin: You probablywoudln't want to be using it at 80 with SS scaling it as if you were a newbie |
| 03:01.19 | Cloudwolf | im loving finnaly having my epic flyer |
| 03:01.22 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/burger-king.jpg |
| 03:01.26 | Wobin | Dagmar: yeah =( |
| 03:01.38 | Wobin | well it's pointless as soon as you -get- SS |
| 03:01.51 | Wobin | since quest rewards will net you more dps |
| 03:02.03 | Dagmar | That should be fixed now |
| 03:02.23 | Wobin | It is, but unfortunately, the dps/stats level out around 79 |
| 03:02.36 | Wobin | for the bow/quest or instance rewards |
| 03:05.06 | Wobin | tekkub: I tend to talk to the npcs during speed CoS runs |
| 03:05.17 | Wobin | mostly to say "yadda yadda, shut up and get moving" |
| 03:05.31 | tekkub | oh yea, "Shut up Artie you sound like a fucking homo" |
| 03:05.41 | Wobin | with terrible hair |
| 03:12.12 | mikma | conclusion? |
| 03:12.18 | mikma | terrible homohair. |
| 03:12.36 | mikma | and, same here |
| 03:12.44 | mikma | "hurry up arthaaaaaaas" |
| 03:13.48 | Lunessa | tekkub: I run that with paladins who always say, "What? I'm fired?" |
| 03:15.11 | Lunessa | <3 Seerah |
| 03:15.21 | Seerah | <3 Lunessa :) |
| 03:15.40 | Seerah | that post was a *little* harsh for a newbie, but I got ya :) |
| 03:15.43 | Seerah | just a little |
| 03:15.46 | Seerah | |-| |
| 03:15.58 | Seerah | then again, he was asking for it....... |
| 03:16.00 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.35 | mikma | seerah: stop! |
| 03:16.38 | mikma | hammertime |
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| 03:16.54 | Seerah | da da da da .. da da... da da hammertime |
| 03:16.58 | mikma | but wait until he codes the hello world framework |
| 03:17.02 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 03:17.11 | Lunessa | Can't touch dis! |
| 03:17.12 | Seerah | I gave him all he needed |
| 03:17.16 | Trela | touches that! |
| 03:17.30 | mikma | i have a strong feeling he will spit on your aswell |
| 03:17.43 | mikma | face aswell* |
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| 03:17.49 | mikma | tired, sorry |
| 03:18.00 | Seerah | huggles mikma |
| 03:18.02 | Seerah | and Funkeh` |
| 03:18.20 | mikma | second best accidental troll -post in a while tho |
| 03:18.26 | Funkeh` | huggles Seerah |
| 03:18.30 | Seerah | if he does, I'll give him the same treatment Lunessa did ;) |
| 03:18.44 | mikma | so, what does huggles mean exactly? =D |
| 03:18.45 | Seerah | did you see the one on wowi the other day? |
| 03:18.51 | Seerah | hug/cuddle |
| 03:18.58 | mikma | ah |
| 03:18.58 | Funkeh` | shes a big softie |
| 03:19.03 | Funkeh` | likes her huggles |
| 03:19.04 | mikma | combined, clever |
| 03:19.17 | Lunessa | I told you homeboy! Can't touch dis! |
| 03:19.29 | mikma | lunessa: homoboy! |
| 03:19.37 | Lunessa | suddenly wants tapered pants and shoulder pads to come back into style. |
| 03:19.43 | Torhal | mikma: Is there a homohair AddOn framework? |
| 03:19.45 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:19.47 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22340 |
| 03:19.59 | mikma | <0605> <+tekkub> oh yea, "Shut up Artie you sound like a fucking homo" |
| 03:19.59 | mikma | <0605> <Wobin> with terrible hair |
| 03:20.06 | mikma | <0612> <mikma> terrible homohair. |
| 03:20.12 | Torhal | Seerah: That one blew my mind. |
| 03:20.17 | batrick | Thunder_Child: ping |
| 03:20.23 | Thunder_Child | batrick, pong |
| 03:20.26 | batrick | let's do this |
| 03:20.32 | Thunder_Child | yes'm |
| 03:20.33 | batrick | PM?! |
| 03:20.33 | Seerah | Torhal: I had to make myself be good and stay out of it on that one |
| 03:20.37 | Torhal | The whole thread, I have a constipated look on my face. |
| 03:20.38 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 03:20.46 | mikma | seerah: there! thats the nr.1 accidental troll! |
| 03:20.46 | Torhal | "What the FUCK is wrong with that guy?" |
| 03:20.48 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:21.44 | mikma | torhal: well maybe you can ask Kokolums to write us one? |
| 03:22.16 | Torhal | mikma: He's probably had it working perfectly forever, just can't format it to use the homohair framework for AddOns. |
| 03:22.49 | Torhal | Not that he'd know the terminology, or anything like that. |
| 03:22.58 | mikma | oh, a note |
| 03:23.04 | mikma | stop smiting that dude |
| 03:23.10 | mikma | let him release the addon |
| 03:23.17 | mikma | so we can see it finally =D |
| 03:23.28 | Torhal | 10 PRINT HELLO |
| 03:23.30 | Torhal | 20 GOTO 10 |
| 03:23.56 | Dark_Elf | that looks too much like basic to me :p |
| 03:24.04 | Torhal | ...because it IS. |
| 03:24.05 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 03:24.36 | Dark_Elf | prints hello in continuous loop |
| 03:24.52 | Thunder_Child | can someone send me some cold weather please |
| 03:25.12 | mikma | why? |
| 03:25.26 | Lunessa | Seerah: That thread has me gobsmacked. |
| 03:25.27 | Dark_Elf | move to wisconsin and get all the cold weather u want lol |
| 03:25.36 | Seerah | Lunessa: which one? the wowi one? |
| 03:25.41 | Shirik | Torhal: Basic had strings too |
| 03:25.45 | Lunessa | Yes. The WoWI one. |
| 03:25.49 | Shirik | either HELLO$ or "HELLO" |
| 03:25.51 | mikma | g-strings |
| 03:25.54 | mikma | mmmmmmmma |
| 03:26.01 | mikma | a=! |
| 03:26.11 | mikma | sorry! missed Fn button |
| 03:26.38 | Cairenn | Ackis: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=22595 |
| 03:26.55 | Wobin | oh for gods sake man POST YOUR GODDAMN 60 VARIABLE CODE |
| 03:27.11 | mikma | calm down wobin! |
| 03:27.15 | mikma | we all want to see it |
| 03:27.21 | Wobin | shant |
| 03:27.25 | Torhal | Shirik: Ah. Well, I'd forgotten since I last used line BASIC around 1988 :) |
| 03:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i don't |
| 03:28.12 | Torhal | I think, honestly, the best answer the guy could have been given to satiate his burning need for premature optimization is: |
| 03:28.16 | *** join/#wowuidev dolseni (i=dolseni@c-98-226-155-20.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 03:28.16 | Torhal | local _G = _G |
| 03:28.36 | mikma | i came a little |
| 03:28.41 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:28.54 | Shirik | lua> s = ""; for x = 1, 61 do s = s .. "local a"..x.."; " end s = s .. " function foo() print("; for x = 1, 61 do s = s .. "a"..x..", " end s = s .. " 1) end"; loadstring(s) |
| 03:28.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 03:28.59 | Shirik | lua> s = ""; for x = 1, 61 do s = s .. "local a"..x.."; " end s = s .. " function foo() print("; for x = 1, 61 do s = s .. "a"..x..", " end s = s .. " 1) end"; return loadstring(s) |
| 03:28.59 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "local a1; local a2; local a3; local a4; local a5; local a6; loc..."]:1: function at line 1 has more than 60 upvalues |
| 03:29.02 | Shirik | There we go |
| 03:29.08 | Arrowmaster | local _G = getfenv(0) |
| 03:29.10 | Shirik | That must be his code, Wobin |
| 03:29.19 | mikma | shirik: cheater |
| 03:29.25 | Seerah | Shirik: I doubt it |
| 03:29.32 | Lunessa | I'm trying to decipher how you could possibly need to update the value of 60 variables /on every frame refresh/. |
| 03:29.38 | Seerah | yeah.... |
| 03:29.41 | Wobin | He NEEDS to |
| 03:29.44 | Torhal | MUST |
| 03:29.46 | Wobin | You don't HAVE TO UNDERSTAND |
| 03:29.56 | Trela | Now begins the long task of figuring out what AddOn is causing massive FPS loss. |
| 03:29.56 | Seerah | he didn't even tell us what his mod was supposed to DO |
| 03:30.11 | Torhal | I think he would have decapitated the first person who asked |
| 03:30.12 | mikma | worth the ban tho |
| 03:30.27 | Lunessa | Seerah: If it's not "Stream Pr0n" I will be very disappointed. |
| 03:30.27 | Wobin | Seerah: That's on a NEED TO KNOW basis, and you clearly don't NEED TO KNOW =P |
| 03:30.37 | Seerah | :( |
| 03:30.55 | mikma | you can ask him |
| 03:30.55 | Wobin | what's with the rush on people asking for help and not giving details? |
| 03:31.15 | Torhal | Wobin: You didn't know? This is the age of Instant Gratification and Entitlement. |
| 03:31.20 | ZorbaGama | hey guys my mod doesn't work, someone tell me why, I don't want to give details because it's kind of ugly |
| 03:31.29 | ZorbaGama | why hasn't anyone fixed my mod yet |
| 03:31.32 | Torhal | Hah |
| 03:31.59 | mikma | zorbagama: add 'print("Mikma rules")' at the end and it works |
| 03:32.11 | ZorbaGama | mikma, now my mod lies to me, make it stop lying :( |
| 03:32.11 | Seerah | no, that will give an error |
| 03:32.22 | Seerah | the correct function is print("Seerah rules") |
| 03:32.33 | ZorbaGama | at least you guys don't have the same person that's been pestering efnet #c++ for a while. every day, "how long does it take to learn C++?" |
| 03:32.36 | ZorbaGama | for literally two months straight |
| 03:32.41 | Lunessa | mikma: but I don't want to use the mikma.homoboy framework... |
| 03:32.44 | mikma | zorbagama: ok, add 'print("zorba sucks")' at the end |
| 03:32.47 | Shirik | ZorbaGama: They haven't banned him? |
| 03:32.49 | mikma | now it doesnt lie |
| 03:32.51 | Trela | ...Holy fuck. ClearFont2 is using 50% CPU. |
| 03:32.54 | ZorbaGama | shirik, it was kidn of amusing for a while honestly |
| 03:33.01 | ZorbaGama | we competed to get the most amusing tempban messages |
| 03:33.11 | ZorbaGama | I think he's finally banned for six months though |
| 03:33.35 | mikma | lunessa: you have no idea! you might actually use one already! |
| 03:34.07 | Lunessa | mikma: Oh noes. Security breach! |
| 03:35.00 | airtonix | muwahaha |
| 03:35.04 | dolseni | god, why does the default grid layout have to be so horrible |
| 03:35.25 | Torhal | Trela: Did you look at Fontain yet? |
| 03:35.27 | airtonix | better put windows back in the wall |
| 03:35.40 | Trela | Torhal: I am working on ClearFont3. |
| 03:35.47 | Torhal | Trela: I know, was just wondering :) |
| 03:36.03 | Trela | CF2 was enabled on some characters and I had no idea. |
| 03:36.56 | mikma | deACE it to lose 49% |
| 03:37.06 | mikma | of the cpu usage |
| 03:37.07 | Lunessa | Paranoid much? "What do you hope to see? And why?" - from the thread Seerah linked. |
| 03:37.23 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 03:38.48 | Trela | I am not actually sure what is causing it to freak now and only on this particular server. |
| 03:38.49 | mikma | lunessa: its simple. he has idea, doesnt want to show it or people would do it before he does |
| 03:39.37 | batrick | Shirik: chess tonight! |
| 03:39.43 | Lunessa | mikma: I get it, totally. However, I think he's treating OnUpdate like you would main() in C. |
| 03:41.03 | mikma | lunessa: "kneel and bark like a dog" |
| 03:41.10 | mikma | "lower" |
| 03:41.42 | mikma | "bad boy! bad!" <insert whip> |
| 03:42.04 | Lunessa | suddenly feels the sinking sensation that he's done made unintentional humor. |
| 03:42.55 | mikma | Hope you got the metaphora anyway lalalaaal |
| 03:43.08 | mikma | metafora? phora? |
| 03:43.18 | Lunessa | ph |
| 03:43.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@173-25-20-69.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know how a windows .exe tells Vista that it needs UAC elevation? |
| 03:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And likewise |
| 03:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | How I can kill that aspect of that .exe dead |
| 03:44.45 | mikma | tekkub: whats the deal with cats and the urge to poke their anus in your face? really getting on my nerves |
| 03:45.07 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: That's "any executable asks for something that Vista says it needs elevation for" |
| 03:45.31 | Lunessa | And on that note, I really, really need to go home. Later guys. |
| 03:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol cya |
| 03:45.52 | mikma | this girlcat never sleeps her face towards my face. always the ass first |
| 03:46.09 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, thank you so much |
| 03:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 03:46.27 | Shirik | You pointing out those AAAA records last night severely improved my server |
| 03:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You're welcome |
| 03:46.36 | Shirik | Several people in guild chat have mentioned it's moving faster now |
| 03:46.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, now go make that chess channel and have your bot parse the moves |
| 03:46.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It would |
| 03:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone on Vista would see speed improvements |
| 03:47.34 | Shirik | batrick, let's go play on Yahoo or something |
| 03:47.45 | batrick | eww |
| 03:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | (or linux for that matter) |
| 03:47.52 | batrick | IRC chess is more fun imo |
| 03:48.08 | mikma | shirik: we cant stop here, this is a bat country! |
| 03:48.40 | Thunder_Child | >.< i hate you mikma |
| 03:48.48 | mikma | thunder_child: good |
| 03:49.19 | Shirik | batrick: not IRC :( |
| 03:49.21 | Shirik | too prone to error |
| 03:49.28 | Thunder_Child | what error? |
| 03:49.36 | batrick | We need to get batbot to parse chess games |
| 03:49.37 | Thunder_Child | me and batrick did it w/o any |
| 03:49.37 | Shirik | mistyping moves, etc. |
| 03:49.39 | batrick | that would be sick |
| 03:49.41 | Shirik | wrong Thunder_Child |
| 03:49.47 | Thunder_Child | you failed, we didnt |
| 03:49.49 | Shirik | "wtf I have a piece on f6!" "Yes I do!" |
| 03:49.56 | mikma | thunder_child: http://cache.thephoenix.com/i/OldBlogs/SoxBlog/bat%20country.jpg |
| 03:50.12 | Thunder_Child | ~hit mikma |
| 03:50.13 | purl | ACTION slaps mikma. |
| 03:50.31 | Thunder_Child | batrick, any bot would be nice |
| 03:50.32 | mikma | ~thanks |
| 03:50.32 | purl | de nada, mikma |
| 03:50.56 | batrick | ya |
| 03:50.57 | batrick | well it's a lot of work |
| 03:51.08 | Thunder_Child | work with Shirik, he would be happy to have something to do |
| 03:51.13 | batrick | I'll set it high on my list to do |
| 03:51.19 | batrick | ya i know he would |
| 03:51.23 | batrick | Shirik: let's do it?! |
| 03:51.30 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:51.45 | mikma | ~rps |
| 03:51.46 | purl | scissors |
| 03:52.00 | mikma | ~rps paper |
| 03:52.13 | mikma | bleh =( |
| 03:52.25 | mikma | ~literal rps |
| 03:52.25 | purl | "rps" is "<reply>rock||<reply>scissors||<reply>paper" |
| 03:52.27 | batrick | Shirik: let's make a chess mod in Lua for botz |
| 03:52.46 | Shirik | maybe later |
| 03:53.00 | mikma | chess is for russian people |
| 03:53.11 | Shirik | ~spell feisty |
| 03:53.17 | Shirik | ~spell fiesty |
| 03:53.29 | mikma | what you should code is Hold'Em! |
| 03:53.33 | Thunder_Child | i have russian ancestry |
| 03:53.52 | batrick | help (sp?) |
| 03:54.10 | Thunder_Child | you stoped catching sp batrick |
| 03:54.17 | Thunder_Child | blorb (sp?) |
| 03:55.28 | batrick | when I switched servers ispell wasn't installed |
| 03:55.33 | batrick | help (sp?) |
| 03:55.33 | batbot | batrick, help is correct. |
| 03:56.04 | mikma | buttsecks (sp?) |
| 03:56.05 | batbot | mikma, nothing found. |
| 03:56.45 | Thunder_Child | holy crap, you can fly directly to sholizar basin now |
| 03:57.03 | Thunder_Child | s/sholizar/sholazar/ |
| 03:57.18 | Thunder_Child | from dal |
| 03:57.46 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Didn't let me. I got the "OMFG! You're in WINTERGRASP! Dismount! Dismount!" bullshit tonight. |
| 03:58.03 | Trela | Lovely, as a death knight, I automagically kill my quest objectives. |
| 03:58.09 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, doing it now with no issues |
| 03:58.25 | Torhal | Then again, there have been times where I can fly into Dalaran over the bank and it doesn't dismount me. |
| 03:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | gah |
| 03:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | who here plays warhammer? |
| 03:58.43 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, and i mean on the FP |
| 03:58.50 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Aaah |
| 03:58.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (or knows of a better place for technical questions concerning it?) |
| 03:59.01 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, mmo, game, minis, etc. |
| 03:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | mmo |
| 03:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | my brother is playing it |
| 03:59.18 | Thunder_Child | i did, but Aiiane could help |
| 03:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I refuse to give him admin rights |
| 03:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It refuses to work without them (UAC elevation) |
| 03:59.28 | Thunder_Child | maybe |
| 03:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | stabs it many times over |
| 03:59.52 | Thunder_Child | cant you perma elevate a single exe file? |
| 03:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 04:00.01 | batrick | Anyone know of a *nix command that searches for a file using the search path ($PATH) |
| 04:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You can check a checkbox that forces elevation every time |
| 04:00.23 | Arrowmaster | batrick: which? |
| 04:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But the .exe does that anyway from what I can tell |
| 04:00.40 | batrick | Arrowmaster: <3 |
| 04:00.43 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, what if you give you borthers account full controll over the exe file |
| 04:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It has that |
| 04:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I installed the game on to another drive which has Everyone given full access to the entire drive |
| 04:01.15 | Arrowmaster | batrick: do you not use nix cmdline much? |
| 04:01.50 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, could you create an obfuscated script to auto imput the pw? |
| 04:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ way to defeat the point! |
| 04:02.11 | Thunder_Child | just throwing out ideas |
| 04:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Goal: get it to run with guest rights |
| 04:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That should clarify things |
| 04:03.26 | Aiiane | won't happen |
| 04:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | period no exceptions? |
| 04:03.34 | Arrowmaster | thats odd that it would always require admin rights |
| 04:04.06 | Arrowmaster | would think enough people on vista would have complained about it and they would have fixed it |
| 04:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | If so that's the type of bullcrap, lazy programming which infuriates me and forces me to cast an eternal vale of scorn over their entire operation |
| 04:04.25 | ScytheBlade1 | The ignorant tools |
| 04:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 04:04.43 | Aiiane | shrugs |
| 04:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you play by chance? |
| 04:05.47 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 04:05.54 | Aiiane | if you looked at my projects page on curseforge you wouldn't be asking me that question |
| 04:05.57 | Thunder_Child | why do you think i pointed her out? |
| 04:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You pointed her out? o_0 |
| 04:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And I don't play either War or WoW so.. |
| 04:06.16 | Dagmar | Yes, I agree. By now Microsoft has had plenty of time to fix Vista and they haven't. |
| 04:06.26 | Thunder_Child | "20:59.18 Thunder_Child: i did, but Aiiane could help" |
| 04:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: not Vista with the problem, but if I start down that road I won't be sleeping for hours |
| 04:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: ah, sorry, missed it |
| 04:07.00 | batrick | Arrowmaster: I do all the time but I forgot that was "which"'s purpose |
| 04:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: do you know of any support venue where I could ask? Not to discredit what you said, but seriously, this is maddening |
| 04:07.36 | Arrowmaster | batrick: so it was just a self facepalm momment? |
| 04:08.11 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-44-246.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:08.41 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1: you could put in a CSR ticket about it, but the *best* answer you'd get is basically exactly what I just said. More likely you'd spend more time and trouble to get even less of an answer than I just gave you. |
| 04:08.56 | batrick | Arrowmaster: yup |
| 04:09.05 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1323492#post1323492 might help |
| 04:09.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: okay, thanks |
| 04:09.09 | batrick | All this drama in the "WoW Matrix is Fixed" thread is yummy |
| 04:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: already looked at it. Only works for users with admin rights in the first place, and further it amounts to more or less disabling it entirely for said admin users |
| 04:10.12 | Dagmar | You could always bit the bullet and create a custom group, make the user a member of that group, and then assign all the files to that group |
| 04:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: the user in question has full rights to every file in that directory. |
| 04:10.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't Vista going "HOOOOOMG RIGHTS ARE NEEDED" but rather the game itself |
| 04:10.39 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910552&sid=1#2 <- i hate comments like these |
| 04:10.44 | Dagmar | WEird |
| 04:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | .. as far as I can tell, without checking or caring |
| 04:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes. And frustrating. |
| 04:11.28 | Aiiane | there's a difference between file ownership, and administrative privledge. |
| 04:11.39 | Aiiane | privilege* |
| 04:12.10 | Shirik | That's one thing I haven't resolved in the new updater |
| 04:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And any *game* which requires more functional rights than guest is one broken game. Every Steam game I know of pulls it off great |
| 04:12.18 | Shirik | I have no good way of checking need for administrative privileges |
| 04:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Every Blizzard games does too |
| 04:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note: to run, not to patch) |
| 04:12.49 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1: most games aren't running off a codebase originally developed for DAoC |
| 04:13.13 | Shirik | Honestly, ScytheBlade1, that's because of people not following Windows best practices |
| 04:13.22 | Shirik | "Hey, let's put our configuration files in the program directory!" |
| 04:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is kinda why I'm infuriated right now, because from what I can tell, they blindly force UAC rights even when they are not needed |
| 04:13.25 | Cloudwolf | no me gusta nada tarea de espaniol |
| 04:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Old code or not |
| 04:14.03 | Cloudwolf | ~seen cloudwolf |
| 04:14.06 | purl | cloudwolf is currently on #wowuidev (4h 22m 21s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen cloudwolf'. |
| 04:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It really shouldn't be needed to play |
| 04:14.21 | Dagmar | Shirik: Why not? It's the windows way to do it |
| 04:14.26 | Shirik | No it's not |
| 04:14.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: no it isn't |
| 04:14.35 | Shirik | And anyone that thinks that needs to go read Microsoft best practices again |
| 04:14.39 | Aiiane | well |
| 04:14.41 | Shirik | That has been wrong since 2000 |
| 04:14.47 | Aiiane | the main issue is that microsoft didn't really push the best practices |
| 04:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The same best practices that have been in place since... |
| 04:14.49 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that |
| 04:14.50 | Aiiane | from the start |
| 04:14.50 | ZorbaGama | scythe, to protect against piracy and hacks! :D |
| 04:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: sure, not disagreeing. |
| 04:15.08 | Aiiane | they pushed them *after* people were already used to the "usual" windows practice |
| 04:15.17 | Dagmar | You mean the ones that have existed since WfW 3.11 and that virtually no Windows software ever followed? |
| 04:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 04:15.24 | Shirik | Well in all honesty, network admins have been pissed for this forever |
| 04:15.39 | Aiiane | that said |
| 04:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But in this specific case (Warhammer), the problem isn't UAC, Vista, or a Best Practices issue |
| 04:15.50 | Aiiane | I freaking hate Windows' naming for significant folders |
| 04:15.51 | Dagmar | Oh come on everything makes network admins mad |
| 04:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Just a stupid check saying "if we aren't admin we need to be" for no real reason |
| 04:16.07 | Shirik | Dagmar: If I had no real way to install an application safely, I would be pretty pissed too |
| 04:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: you see why my angst flows eternally |
| 04:16.27 | Dagmar | Use a phone cable to connect to the network, they get mad, leave your FTP server open for too long and they get mad, broadcast just a little malformed multicast and they get downright furious |
| 04:16.31 | Dagmar | They're just too thin-skinned |
| 04:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: I spent six years hacking upwards of 20 windows programs from full installers to activeX objects to run with guest rights. :) |
| 04:16.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Think-skinned? Nah |
| 04:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Just sick and tired of stupid users and developers |
| 04:16.59 | Trela | ~seen Trela |
| 04:17.00 | purl | trela is currently on #wowuidev (3h 36m 56s) #wowace (3h 36m 56s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Trela'. |
| 04:17.03 | Dagmar | I've just given up on the windows crowd getting a clue about volatile data |
| 04:17.28 | Aiiane | who the hell decided to name a folder "Documents and Settings" |
| 04:17.34 | Aiiane | for a main-usage folder |
| 04:17.36 | Dagmar | Microsoft |
| 04:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: useability probably, haha |
| 04:17.51 | Shirik | Aiiane: It's straight and to the point |
| 04:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well |
| 04:17.52 | Aiiane | useability my ass |
| 04:17.54 | Arrowmaster | i hate trying to get old programs written for the 9x kernnel to run on xp without admin rights |
| 04:17.57 | Shirik | it does, in fact, contain documents and settings |
| 04:18.02 | Arrowmaster | almost never works in my experience |
| 04:18.05 | Aiiane | Shirik: so is "local" :P |
| 04:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | well don't get me wrong, it's pretty stupid naming imo |
| 04:18.11 | Aiiane | or alternatively "usr" :P |
| 04:18.14 | Dagmar | At least they make a directory for the users to ignore instead of counting on the user to ignore a directory they never bothered to make |
| 04:18.23 | Arrowmaster | Aiiane: its /home |
| 04:18.27 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster: that too. |
| 04:18.40 | Aiiane | Arrowmaster: but sadly, Documents and Settings has what would be in /usr as well, sometimes |
| 04:18.54 | Arrowmaster | it does? |
| 04:18.59 | Aiiane | it has both user-specific and global |
| 04:19.10 | Arrowmaster | oh you mean "All Users" |
| 04:19.13 | Dagmar | C:\Documents and Settings\All Users |
| 04:19.15 | Aiiane | nods |
| 04:19.17 | Arrowmaster | and "Default User" |
| 04:19.41 | Dagmar | ...which entertainingly enough breaks when you look at it wrong when RUP is involved |
| 04:20.00 | Dagmar | I'm going to be deleting this blasted leftover Outlook shortcut until the end of time |
| 04:20.38 | Shirik | anyway, it's not documents and settinsg anymore |
| 04:20.41 | Shirik | it's Users |
| 04:20.59 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.03 | Arrowmaster | does it still have an "All Users" "user"? |
| 04:21.09 | Shirik | Users\Public |
| 04:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes and no |
| 04:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | They have layered voodoo to get their new stuff to work the way they want it to without breaking crap |
| 04:21.47 | Dagmar | ...oh and file locks that can be orphaned. |
| 04:21.51 | Dagmar | I LURVE those |
| 04:22.07 | Cloudwolf | w i n http://xkcd.com/488/ |
| 04:22.18 | Cloudwolf | i like this comic XD |
| 04:22.48 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: It's a HUGE argument as to why DRM fails hideously for the majority of people who spend a lot of money on music |
| 04:23.18 | Aiiane | Shirik: they still have the wonderful (/sarcasm) AppData hidden folder tree though |
| 04:23.35 | Shirik | Yeah, it actually breaks several tools |
| 04:23.38 | Shirik | like cacls |
| 04:23.42 | Cloudwolf | this is why im glad our music collection is ripped directly from cds and "hard drive share music swapped" lol |
| 04:23.47 | Shirik | which tries to recurse into it |
| 04:23.52 | Shirik | and eventually dies |
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| 04:40.58 | Aiiane | brb |
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| 04:50.28 | Cloudwolf | oh god >.<.... |
| 04:54.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, how is your game going? |
| 04:55.07 | Shirik | batrick refused to play me |
| 04:55.38 | Thunder_Child | what? he was the one asking for the game |
| 04:56.34 | Shirik | and then I said let's play on yahoo |
| 04:56.38 | Shirik | and then he's all like "no pz" |
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| 05:00.12 | Torhal | Kokolums is one of those people that make me want to shoot myself for being the same species. |
| 05:00.40 | Torhal | I don't care if that's the proper way to write code! It isn't PRETTY ZOMG! |
| 05:00.45 | Torhal | /wrists |
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| 05:02.37 | Maul | Cairenn: You there by chance? |
| 05:02.42 | Cairenn | Maul: I am |
| 05:02.46 | Cairenn | working on it now :) |
| 05:02.51 | Maul | thanks! :D |
| 05:02.56 | Cairenn | I have to do it the same way as you |
| 05:03.16 | Maul | oh |
| 05:03.46 | Cairenn | re-upload 1.7 with a new version number, then go in delete the original 1.7 & the new 1.9 archive, then rename the new one back to 1/7 |
| 05:04.07 | Shirik | Maul doesn't trust me :( |
| 05:04.17 | Maul | I do! |
| 05:05.18 | Maul | Thanks for fixing it though, I uploaded two duds in a row lol |
| 05:05.33 | Cairenn | hehehe, no worries |
| 05:05.38 | Cairenn | should be right now, check it |
| 05:05.50 | Maul | I will, thanks |
| 05:05.52 | Cairenn | also |
| 05:05.59 | Cairenn | thank you for all the support over the last week |
| 05:06.01 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 05:06.08 | Maul | np!! :D |
| 05:06.55 | Cairenn | honest to god, if it weren't for you guys, our authors - I swear Kaelten et al at Curse and all of us at WoWI would have just said "fuck this", thrown our arms up in the air and walked away for the week |
| 05:07.23 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 05:07.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: she loves you |
| 05:07.37 | Kaelten | yeah this week's been hell |
| 05:07.40 | Cairenn | was just thanking Maul for the support he's been showing for us this last week |
| 05:07.47 | ScytheBlade1 | disappears before he can be questioned |
| 05:07.58 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: I know, but it's mainly due to my taste in alchohol |
| 05:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 05:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | also sleep |
| 05:08.56 | Kaelten | yeah I really appreciate all of the support from everyone |
| 05:09.12 | Maul | I am just really happy you guys figured out how to block it ;) |
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| 05:09.27 | Kaelten | Yeah, me too :) |
| 05:09.36 | Cairenn | us too, even with all the crap we've had to put up with ... at least now we can keep our sites open :p |
| 05:09.41 | Kaelten | been talking to rushter over at wowui to help him know how to do it too |
| 05:09.45 | Torhal | I think I'll have a seizure if Cairenn manages to post a custom smiley on IRC, though. |
| 05:09.47 | Kaelten | they've shifted a lot of downloads that way |
| 05:09.53 | Cairenn | Torhal: hehehe |
| 05:10.18 | Dagmar | Torhal: With respect to "pretty" you'd think the guy had never heard of global search and replace |
| 05:10.32 | Cairenn | Kaelten: yeah, Lothaer was talking to me, too, we told him to get in touch with us to help get them covered, too |
| 05:10.45 | Torhal | Dagmar: Or code formatting. Or do the Blizzard forums remove leading whitespace? |
| 05:11.16 | Kaelten | yeah, I've exchanged a few emails with rush so far, hopeing they do something soon |
| 05:11.39 | Cairenn | Maul: just downloaded it again myself and checked the .toc, it's serving the right file |
| 05:12.01 | Maul | thanks again :) |
| 05:12.54 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:13.11 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 05:13.14 | Shirik | nobody can stay mad at Cairenn |
| 05:13.23 | Shirik | personally, I can't even /get/ mad at her |
| 05:13.33 | Cairenn | sure you can ;) |
| 05:13.45 | Shirik | o.O |
| 05:14.18 | Cairenn | you are physically capable of it |
| 05:14.26 | Shirik | nope |
| 05:14.30 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:14.37 | kd3 | ya... but physically capable doesn't mean feasibly possible |
| 05:14.58 | Shirik | feasibly possible |
| 05:15.04 | Shirik | ~define feasible |
| 05:15.05 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 05:15.10 | Shirik | ~dict feasible |
| 05:15.13 | kd3 | >.> |
| 05:15.20 | Shirik | ~dict 2 feasible |
| 05:15.29 | kd3 | bah. this is what I get for trying to be smart when it's too late at night |
| 05:15.31 | Shirik | ~dict 3 feasible |
| 05:15.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:15.43 | Shirik | Was hoping one of the definitions would have "possible" in it |
| 05:15.48 | Shirik | hugs kd3 |
| 05:16.46 | Cairenn | huggles all her wonderful geeks |
| 05:20.31 | Shirik | oh god |
| 05:20.44 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn on drugs? |
| 05:20.45 | Shirik | When eating resees peanut butter cups |
| 05:20.53 | Shirik | if you think the wrapper was removed too easily |
| 05:20.54 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 05:21.03 | Shirik | double-check that it wasn't double wrapped |
| 05:21.08 | Shirik | before putting it in your mouth |
| 05:21.09 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:21.31 | Cairenn | wanted more fiber in your diet, did you? |
| 05:21.41 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, no drugs, just your weirdness |
| 05:21.48 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you mean check |
| 05:22.50 | kd3 | holy hell... is the original game boy really 20 years old this week? |
| 05:23.11 | Shirik | I still have one of those |
| 05:23.24 | batrick | Shirik: yahoo? wtf |
| 05:23.32 | Shirik | yahoo chess is win |
| 05:23.37 | batrick | sif |
| 05:23.44 | Shirik | pick something better then |
| 05:23.47 | Shirik | or I will go to sleep |
| 05:23.56 | batrick | liar |
| 05:24.08 | Shirik | I've already set my alarm clock |
| 05:24.11 | Shirik | don't think I won't do it |
| 05:25.05 | batrick | won't open for me |
| 05:26.29 | Shirik | then you fail at Java |
| 05:26.42 | batrick | i cant remember my yahoo id |
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| 05:27.00 | Shirik | Steam needs to make a chess game |
| 05:27.11 | Shirik | Valve |
| 05:27.11 | Shirik | whatever |
| 05:27.56 | End | Chess: Source? |
| 05:28.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:28.44 | Arrowmaster | i thought they did |
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| 05:30.29 | Shirik | batrick: http://www.chess.com/livechess/ |
| 05:31.35 | Arrowmaster | i swear steam had chess |
| 05:31.49 | Shirik | well I don't have steam installed anyway |
| 05:32.12 | Shirik | YES! |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | I LOVE THIS SITE |
| 05:32.24 | Shirik | Login to Live Chess for real-time, fast-action chess! |
| 05:32.24 | Shirik | NOTE: Does not work well with Internet Explorer. Use Firefox, Safari, or other browser. |
| 05:32.33 | Shirik | Finally someone that chooses not to say "Sorry, you have to use IE" |
| 05:33.01 | kd3 | the armory says that... |
| 05:33.22 | Arrowmaster | rofl that image looks just fucking like xboard/winboard |
| 05:34.02 | Shirik | batrick! |
| 05:34.55 | batrick | one sec |
| 05:35.37 | batrick | what's your name on there |
| 05:36.19 | Shirik | mpdelbuono |
| 05:36.42 | Shirik | yours |
| 05:37.14 | batrick | batrick |
| 05:38.22 | batrick | how the hell do i add a friend |
| 05:38.25 | batrick | jeezeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:38.30 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:38.32 | Shirik | same problem :( |
| 05:39.35 | batrick | ok I think i found it |
| 05:39.44 | batrick | you should have some alert or some shit notifying you |
| 05:40.06 | Shirik | no :( |
| 05:40.10 | Shirik | what did you do? |
| 05:40.38 | batrick | http://www.chess.com/home/add_friend.html |
| 05:41.31 | Shirik | got it |
| 05:41.32 | batrick | whoever thought to make this live chess thing full screen should be shot |
| 05:41.45 | batrick | let me know if you figure out how to minimize it |
| 05:41.51 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:41.53 | Shirik | it's just like windows |
| 05:41.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:41.58 | Shirik | I have 3 windows |
| 05:42.02 | Shirik | the chess board, chat, and friends list |
| 05:42.15 | End | hm, linode's dns thing broke |
| 05:42.19 | batrick | ya... but it's superimposed on a huge window that is fullscreen |
| 05:42.20 | End | on the plus side, they're fixing it |
| 05:42.38 | Shirik | End? |
| 05:42.40 | airtonix | hands up who knows about how range affects the threat buffer available to you? |
| 05:42.45 | End | Shirik? |
| 05:42.52 | End | oh, you want to know what broke? |
| 05:42.56 | End | it isn't accepting changes |
| 05:43.07 | End | CHECKZONE DIDN'T LIKE SOMETHING |
| 05:43.09 | End | gee thanks |
| 05:43.22 | Shirik | I have challenged batrick! |
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| 05:44.42 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 05:45.46 | Shirik | I haven't played chess in forever |
| 05:49.43 | Moleculor | BATTLE CHESS |
| 05:49.49 | ZorbaGama | man, it never occured to me that a garbage-collected language would have so many memory issues that a non-garbage-collected language wouldn't |
| 05:50.01 | ZorbaGama | I assume there's no way to tell Lua "hey I'm done using this table now, you can throw it away please"? |
| 05:50.46 | Wobin | set it to nil? |
| 05:51.05 | batrick | having this chess thing take my whole window is super annoying |
| 05:51.06 | ZorbaGama | wobin, that's "hey I'm done using this table now, you can throw it away eventually, you know, when you get around to it in five minutes or so" |
| 05:51.06 | Wobin | airtonix: about 20%? |
| 05:51.29 | Wobin | yeah, "When the GC runs next..." |
| 05:51.43 | Wobin | ie, in what would be considered a GC language =) |
| 05:51.44 | ZorbaGama | the GC doesn't just run instantly, it goes in passes |
| 05:51.47 | Arrowmaster | well atleast in 5.1 the GC is always running |
| 05:51.57 | ZorbaGama | I want to inject a table straight into the GC's world of recycling |
| 05:52.05 | ZorbaGama | take it away, I'm done with it, destroy it, etc |
| 05:52.46 | Shirik | batrick: You really can't resize it? |
| 05:52.48 | Shirik | I can |
| 05:53.32 | batrick | nope |
| 05:54.14 | batrick | it's three tiny windows on one big unclickable fullscreen window |
| 05:54.32 | batrick | s/tiny/smaller/ |
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| 05:57.48 | msou| | Morning |
| 05:58.18 | msou| | A lot of players complaining about cartographer/zonemap thought I'd stop by and post the link |
| 05:58.22 | Shirik | damn right you move that queen back batrick |
| 05:58.47 | Thunder_Child | how is it going? |
| 05:59.41 | Thunder_Child | s/h/Shirik, h/ |
| 05:59.47 | Shirik | eh |
| 05:59.52 | Shirik | I made a mistake early on but I think it's ok |
| 06:00.42 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:00.47 | msou| | you bring the zonemap by shift+m right? |
| 06:01.04 | msou| | ckknight: ping |
| 06:01.43 | Fisker- | in hate we trust |
| 06:02.00 | batrick | Fisker-: do you ever have anything useful to say? |
| 06:05.04 | Torhal | batrick: Fisker- gave good advice on and even looked up the specs on a power supply for me. |
| 06:05.14 | Torhal | ...to answer your question :) |
| 06:07.09 | Cairenn | oh god, here we go ... |
| 06:07.14 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=129490&postcount=666 |
| 06:07.40 | Cairenn | "In light of Blizzard's recent change in addon policy, maybe it is time for a campaign to get them to add a new restriction on addons, that they be required to be released under an open source license. |
| 06:07.40 | Cairenn | Easily enforced. Just require that all adds include a line of code acknowleding the open source license rule, without the code the addon will not load. By including it, they accede to the addon being licensed as required. |
| 06:08.29 | batrick | Why again do we share our addons? |
| 06:08.30 | Torhal | Cairenn: He must be stopped. |
| 06:08.42 | Torhal | batrick: Because we're slaves to humanity? |
| 06:08.46 | Cairenn | batrick: some days, I wonder the same question |
| 06:08.47 | Shirik | batrick |
| 06:08.47 | Torhal | /wrists |
| 06:08.52 | Shirik | you are killing me |
| 06:08.54 | batrick | shirik |
| 06:08.56 | batrick | how so? |
| 06:08.57 | Shirik | this is a hard move |
| 06:09.10 | Shirik | I can't decide if I want to lose a pawn to gain position |
| 06:09.38 | Thunder_Child | oh good, sex inuendo |
| 06:10.18 | batrick | Cairenn: that post is #666 |
| 06:10.19 | batrick | hahaha |
| 06:10.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:10.46 | Shirik | I have never been a fan of losing tempo, either |
| 06:11.49 | Thunder_Child | YOU KNOW YOU ARE LIVING IN 2009 when... |
| 06:11.49 | Thunder_Child | 1.. You accidentally enter your password on the microwave. |
| 06:11.55 | Thunder_Child | has anyone actually done that? |
| 06:12.00 | Shirik | I can't say I have |
| 06:12.04 | Shirik | that seems very odd |
| 06:12.08 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 06:12.25 | dolseni | damn thats a weak password if it is just numbers |
| 06:12.41 | Thunder_Child | my cell has that |
| 06:14.01 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910733&sid=1 |
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| 06:18.55 | Fisker- | lol |
| 06:18.58 | Fisker- | almost locked myself out |
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| 06:19.56 | zenzio | Fisker-: next time try harder |
| 06:20.44 | Shirik | I didn't see that batrick |
| 06:20.46 | Shirik | nicely done |
| 06:21.18 | batrick | lol |
| 06:21.29 | Fisker- | i will zenzio |
| 06:21.39 | zenzio | good, my young padawan |
| 06:22.38 | Fisker- | better remember clothes the next time though |
| 06:22.54 | zenzio | I have to wear clothes now? |
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| 06:26.49 | Shirik | blah, batrick |
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| 06:32.19 | Torhal | Responded to the fuckwit. |
| 06:32.35 | Arrowmaster | is Outfiter being developed by the same author now? |
| 06:32.47 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: As far as I know. |
| 06:33.39 | Thunder_Child | you know, i bet carbonite is going to get as much or more in donations than it did as a pay program |
| 06:33.50 | Torhal | Publicity? |
| 06:33.56 | Shirik | gg |
| 06:34.07 | Thunder_Child | no, people give more when they have controll |
| 06:34.12 | Shirik | wtf are you doing |
| 06:34.13 | Shirik | batrick |
| 06:34.21 | batrick | checkmating you? |
| 06:34.28 | Arrowmaster | especially from the fuckwads that are 'protesting' by donating to the addons still available from wowmatrix |
| 06:34.30 | Shirik | you could have had it that turn |
| 06:34.48 | batrick | don't think so but whatever |
| 06:34.53 | Shirik | that was bad |
| 06:35.03 | batrick | rematch? |
| 06:35.31 | batrick | we need a smaller time interval |
| 06:35.37 | Shirik | why? |
| 06:35.46 | batrick | cuz it takes too long |
| 06:35.53 | batrick | 30-30? |
| 06:35.53 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:35.56 | Thunder_Child | timed games? |
| 06:36.00 | Shirik | yeah wtf is the second number? |
| 06:36.05 | Shirik | 30m + 30 sec? |
| 06:36.09 | Thunder_Child | no, 30 per |
| 06:36.12 | Shirik | because it didn't seem to do anything |
| 06:36.33 | Shirik | who the hell plays with forced time per move |
| 06:36.38 | Thunder_Child | in actuall games it's per clock side iirc |
| 06:36.43 | Torhal | ROFL! |
| 06:36.51 | Torhal | "Name one person who's actually heard of "Omen" or "Ace." The OP is talking about *real* authors." |
| 06:36.54 | Shirik | the only way I've ever played is with match time |
| 06:36.54 | Arrowmaster | its not forced per move, its how much is added to the clock per move |
| 06:36.57 | batrick | how the hell do I set the time interval |
| 06:36.58 | Shirik | right |
| 06:37.01 | Shirik | so 30m + 30s |
| 06:37.12 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: mention cartographer and fubar |
| 06:37.15 | Shirik | you tell the owner of the game to do it batrick :P |
| 06:38.06 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Got it. |
| 06:38.08 | batrick | seems the only way to do it is to start a seek game... |
| 06:38.08 | ZorbaGama | torhal, that has to be a joke :) |
| 06:38.12 | batrick | which means anyone can join |
| 06:38.14 | Shirik | I just did it batrick |
| 06:38.23 | Shirik | it's 30+30 |
| 06:38.31 | Torhal | ZorbaGama: I'd hope so. |
| 06:38.37 | Torhal | But nonetheless. |
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| 06:39.22 | Fisker- | obvious troll is obvious Torhal |
| 06:39.22 | Lunessa | station |
| 06:39.39 | ZorbaGama | man, I really need to hook up QH to tell you to go to the bank before turning in quests |
| 06:39.54 | Torhal | Fisker-: Look, I know you wrote the book, but I didn't read it. Besides, the guy I responded to already said he was waiting for the OP to admit to it being a WM post :) |
| 06:40.21 | Torhal | Haha |
| 06:40.35 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaGama: you also need to de-gpl it, then im perty sure the top 20 addons between curse and wowi none would be open source |
| 06:40.42 | Torhal | Jelly just said "I've never heard of them" |
| 06:40.44 | Shirik | honestly batrick the timed games I'm used to are 30+0 |
| 06:40.47 | Shirik | we should play that :) |
| 06:40.54 | ZorbaGama | arrow, probably will tomorrow, actually |
| 06:41.01 | ZorbaGama | at least the 1.0 alpha |
| 06:41.08 | batrick | what is it now? |
| 06:41.11 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaGama: post in that thread please |
| 06:41.13 | ZorbaGama | 0.103 |
| 06:41.13 | Shirik | 30+30 |
| 06:41.16 | Arrowmaster | tell them that |
| 06:41.19 | batrick | I meant 30 minutes each |
| 06:41.23 | batrick | doesn't matter anymore |
| 06:41.23 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:41.26 | Shirik | oh well |
| 06:41.57 | ZorbaGama | eh, I'd rather just watch it for a bit. They're not gonna be convinced no matter what people say |
| 06:42.08 | ZorbaGama | after all, UI mods just sprout from trees and fall freely to the ground |
| 06:42.25 | Thunder_Child | damn right! |
| 06:42.29 | Shirik | ZorbaGama: And only take a few hours to grow, too |
| 06:42.29 | Lunessa | Like my pants. |
| 06:42.33 | Thunder_Child | "fix my addons" qq |
| 06:42.38 | ZorbaGama | lunessa, your pants came from trees? |
| 06:42.42 | ZorbaGama | that sounds incredibly uncomfortable |
| 06:42.50 | Lunessa | Dude, you have NO idea. |
| 06:42.51 | Shirik | ZorbaGama: He is a druid.. |
| 06:42.55 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: got it, thanks |
| 06:43.04 | Xinhuan | ^_^ |
| 06:43.07 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:43.42 | ZorbaGama | thunder, I got one of those awesome bug reports where the reporter clearly retyped the error message and doesn't know what parts of it are important, or how to spell |
| 06:43.48 | ZorbaGama | apparently Questhelper is written in Lula, for example |
| 06:44.06 | Shirik | Lula |
| 06:44.29 | Thunder_Child | oh, a hawaiian language then |
| 06:44.33 | zenzio | WoW - now running on Lula Virtual BAbe |
| 06:44.38 | Lunessa | You know, it hangs out with LilAbner, Blondie, and Apt3G coding languages. |
| 06:44.43 | ZorbaGama | thunder, all variable names may only contain vowels |
| 06:45.20 | Thunder_Child | that would be.....interesting |
| 06:46.34 | krka | question: which bear is best? |
| 06:46.35 | Arrowmaster | anybody else think it would be fun to legally change their name to something without any vowels |
| 06:46.51 | Thunder_Child | um...no |
| 06:47.24 | Torhal | Cwn |
| 06:47.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i have a hard enough time getting people to spell my name right normally. |
| 06:48.06 | Torhal | D'mn Yw |
| 06:48.34 | Arrowmaster | no a long name like the shrine names in morrowind |
| 06:48.36 | Shirik | From chess chat: batrick: stop copying me! |
| 06:49.51 | Antiarc | HAY GIZE |
| 06:49.55 | Antiarc | OPEN SOURCE LICENSES FOR EVERYTHING |
| 06:50.01 | Antiarc | FORCED LICENSING TERMS = AWESOME RITE |
| 06:50.15 | Antiarc | I'm really, really, really getting angry about this now. |
| 06:50.32 | Cairenn | gives Antiarc lots of huggles |
| 06:50.43 | NightHawkTheSane | makes Antiarc a hot cup of tea. |
| 06:50.58 | Arrowmaster | focus your anger into something else |
| 06:51.02 | Arrowmaster | like porn |
| 06:51.07 | Antiarc | I love writing addons but I have a seething, loathing hatred for the addon users community |
| 06:51.10 | |Jelly| | prods Antiarc a little before going to bed so he has something to read in the morning. |
| 06:51.21 | Antiarc | Entitled selfish short-sighted little pricks. |
| 06:51.30 | Antiarc | </vent> |
| 06:51.32 | Antiarc | Sorry. |
| 06:52.15 | Cairenn | Antiarc: just remember, though, that the self entitled asshole end users are actually in the minority |
| 06:52.19 | |Jelly| | hugs Antiarc. We still luff you. |
| 06:52.23 | Cairenn | unfortunately, they're the vocal ones |
| 06:52.33 | Antiarc | I know, but damned if I don't want to buy a bat and a plane ticket. |
| 06:52.39 | Cairenn | rubs Antiarc's shoulders |
| 06:52.43 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 06:52.45 | Cairenn | tell me about it |
| 06:52.50 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc, as a member of said addon users community i must protest and say that it's far worse than what you spew |
| 06:53.07 | tekkub | feed Cairenn's starving troll |
| 06:53.12 | tekkub | ... some nuts! |
| 06:54.39 | |Jelly| | Oh god, F5 didn't show anything new. |
| 06:55.39 | tekkub | *edits the nuts* |
| 06:56.14 | Torhal | |Jelly|: So, you want the links to FuBar and Cartographer, so you can maybe see what they're all about? *cackle* |
| 06:56.50 | |Jelly| | I think you're crazy -- no addon, at least no good addon has ever had either of those names. *snicker* |
| 06:56.59 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:57.00 | Lunessa | tekkub: What is it with you and the nuts? :P |
| 06:57.12 | Thunder_Child | you have to ask Lunessa? |
| 06:57.29 | Lunessa | No, I just am trying to get him to say something quotable. |
| 06:58.06 | Shirik | ~_~ |
| 06:58.07 | purl | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 06:59.04 | Torhal | Bacon nuts? Is that even possible? |
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| 06:59.37 | Torhal | Nice. I made him type in all caps. |
| 06:59.44 | Lunessa | ... mmmm, bacon. |
| 06:59.44 | Shirik | caps means he wins |
| 06:59.51 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 07:00.03 | |Jelly| | agrees with Lunessa. |
| 07:00.04 | Shirik | it is now appropriate to godwin the thread |
| 07:00.11 | tekkub | Lunessa: I like to put them in my month and make my cheeks puff out |
| 07:00.15 | tekkub | that work for you? |
| 07:00.24 | Lunessa | I'm sure Adys will single it out. :) |
| 07:00.48 | |Jelly| | "This isn't about entitlement. It's about what Blizzard can do to protect not only its users, but the community built up around them. " Protection ... from what? |
| 07:01.31 | tekkub | aliens |
| 07:02.00 | |Jelly| | That /is/ a valid thing that I'm certainly glad that this yahoo is asking Blizzard to protect me from. |
| 07:02.46 | Shirik | tekkub: I'm going to go make a reborn version of your addon |
| 07:02.57 | tekkub | :P |
| 07:03.00 | Shirik | s/your/one of your/ |
| 07:03.02 | tekkub | I hate those so much |
| 07:03.31 | Antiarc | I want to punch this person. I shouldn't let them get to me, but it's SUCH a thinly-veiled WAH WAH WAH I CAN'T GET CARTOGRAPHER THROUGH WOWMATRIX ANYMORE, MAKE THE MEAN MAN STOP IT BLIZZARD |
| 07:03.36 | tekkub | either take it, fully support it, and make it into your own goddamn addon, or send a patch to the author, tell users how to patch it themselves, and fuck off |
| 07:04.21 | Shirik | boggles at Antiarc |
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| 07:04.27 | Shirik | are you talking about a different thread? |
| 07:04.29 | |Jelly| | Why do people keep referring to this "Cartographer" thing? JESUS. |
| 07:04.40 | Antiarc | I'm talking about the "force open source licenses" thread |
| 07:04.43 | Torhal | Antiarc: Exactly |
| 07:05.13 | Antiarc | STupid poster is pissed that mods without an OSS license aren't being kept current on WowMatrix, and his solution is for Blizzard to "force all addons to have an open source license" |
| 07:05.15 | Torhal | I usually ignore threads like this. |
| 07:05.25 | Torhal | This time, I'm unlading. |
| 07:05.34 | Torhal | s/unlading/unloading/ |
| 07:05.41 | tekkub | TAKE THAT (un)LAD! |
| 07:05.46 | krka | i think blizzard should go further, and require that addon authors must spend atleast 20 hours a week maintaining their addons |
| 07:05.48 | |Jelly| | oh crap |
| 07:05.54 | krka | and 20 hours for support |
| 07:05.54 | Torhal | krka: Definitely! |
| 07:05.59 | Torhal | You know it! |
| 07:06.04 | |Jelly| | krka: And the punishment be a good whipping?!? |
| 07:06.06 | Zhinjio | Hey Torhal |
| 07:06.10 | |Jelly| | ... not the good kind, of course |
| 07:06.11 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Yola man |
| 07:06.11 | krka | no, heavy fines, possibly jail |
| 07:06.18 | |Jelly| | Good call. |
| 07:06.22 | Antiarc | I think that Blizzard should mandate that users accumulate "download credits" in the form of buying pizzas for addon authors. |
| 07:06.31 | |Jelly| | Cause of course, Blizzard can enact a rule like that, AMIRITE? |
| 07:06.36 | Thunder_Child | and pay Blizz for the use of being able to code with WoW |
| 07:06.38 | Antiarc | Each large pizza purchased for an addon author is 8 credits, with which they may download 8 addons. |
| 07:06.41 | Shirik | batrick: This is the cold war right here, btw |
| 07:06.45 | Shirik | USSR vs US |
| 07:06.47 | krka | and if there aren't enough addon authors, blizzard should force players to become addon authors |
| 07:06.51 | Lunessa | Antiarc: Can I get hookers and blow instead of pizza? |
| 07:06.59 | Antiarc | Lunessa: Yes, but the conversion rate isn't as good. |
| 07:07.20 | Lunessa | Still, I might actually release some code if I was going to get hookers and blow. |
| 07:07.21 | |Jelly| | How can the conversion not be as good if not better? |
| 07:07.40 | krka | no way, addon authors should pay the users in pizza, since they provide helpful testing |
| 07:07.43 | Arrowmaster | did that thread start off in the ui forums or the suggestion forums? |
| 07:07.44 | krka | and valuable feature requests |
| 07:07.52 | Antiarc | krka: Oh, of course, how silly of me. |
| 07:07.55 | krka | without the feature requests, what would they spend their free time on? |
| 07:07.57 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: UI forums, AFAIK |
| 07:08.04 | |Jelly| | krka: roflamo |
| 07:08.04 | Zhinjio | nighty night. |
| 07:08.10 | krka | not just silly, it was downright retarded |
| 07:08.13 | Antiarc | I can't imagine it was Suggestion since it's just another wowmatrix complaint |
| 07:08.19 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Night man |
| 07:08.54 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Zhinjio |
| 07:09.42 | krka | are you sure you deserve to sleep? have you put in enough addon work today? |
| 07:09.59 | Shirik | krka: Addons grow on trees |
| 07:10.04 | Thunder_Child | whips krka into even more of a frenzy |
| 07:10.04 | krka | wont someone think of the users?!? |
| 07:10.05 | |Jelly| | Like money? |
| 07:10.07 | Shirik | He couldn't possibly need to do anything |
| 07:10.22 | krka | also bandwidth grows on trees |
| 07:10.35 | |Jelly| | I bet those trees a pretty weird looking. |
| 07:11.23 | Torhal | Either the OP is a troll or works for WoWMatrix. I mean, seriously, how many fucking end-users know that "Ace3 uses a modified BSD license" |
| 07:11.46 | Thunder_Child | actully |Jelly|, i can see that rather easily |
| 07:12.10 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if i could make it |
| 07:12.15 | |Jelly| | Photoshop up a picture for me, ASAP. This can count as 30 minutes of addon work, no more, no less. |
| 07:12.16 | Thunder_Child | ponders |
| 07:12.18 | krka | how many fucking end-users know anything <-- fixed it for you |
| 07:12.33 | Torhal | krka: Thank you! |
| 07:12.57 | Lunessa | Torhal: I actually had to go look to make sure I knew what license was in use for Ace3 and jnwhiteh stuff. Auctioneer I already knew used GPL. It's the only AddOn I use that is actually GPL. |
| 07:14.15 | Torhal | Lunessa: That's my point. I just barely remembered the Ace license, and you had to go look...so how would an end-user pull that factoid out of his ass? Troll or WM plant. |
| 07:14.37 | Antiarc | WM plant is very likely. |
| 07:14.43 | Antiarc | Ugh. What a blight upon the community. |
| 07:14.46 | Lunessa | He's been stewing for a week, looking for some way to get WM off the hook. |
| 07:15.11 | Arrowmaster | i thought i recognized the name |
| 07:15.36 | |Jelly| | Same ... still not 100% where from though |
| 07:15.53 | Arrowmaster | from the other wowmatrix threads |
| 07:16.29 | Antiarc | If it were up to me, I'd just have caused addons served through wowmatrix to be nonfunctional or severely messed up |
| 07:16.38 | Kaelten | Torhal: he's an author, who's addon is all rights reserved |
| 07:16.40 | Antiarc | So that users then get the idea that mods from wowmatrix don't work right |
| 07:16.42 | Antiarc | \o/ |
| 07:17.21 | Cairenn | but then we, or the authors in question, get is shit with Blizz for files that negatively impact their gaming experience |
| 07:17.29 | Cairenn | s/is/in/ |
| 07:17.45 | Kaelten | i'm sure we've seen a lot of wowmatrix shills over the last week |
| 07:17.52 | Kaelten | a lot of OP's have came, raised hell and vanished |
| 07:18.05 | Antiarc | Oh no, it's not my fault, you got my addon through an unauthorized source. See, it works fine when you get it from Curse. |
| 07:18.06 | Lunessa | One addon. |
| 07:18.16 | Lunessa | 613 downloads on WoWI. |
| 07:18.21 | Cairenn | true |
| 07:18.23 | Antiarc | Obviously, your updater must not be working. |
| 07:18.30 | Antiarc | I recommend you use this one. It's much more reliable. |
| 07:19.16 | Antiarc | I apologize for being so bitey tonight. I know I'm running with all claws out. |
| 07:19.35 | Kaelten | ~comfort Antiarc |
| 07:19.36 | purl | There, there, Antiarc. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:19.36 | tekkub | 860g for glyph mastery book, getting there |
| 07:19.41 | Thunder_Child | thats all claws out Antiarc? |
| 07:19.48 | Antiarc | I'm a pretty nice guy in general. |
| 07:19.55 | Thunder_Child | too nice |
| 07:19.55 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: keep in mind he's like 7 foot tall |
| 07:20.04 | Kaelten | he'd be scary with his claws out |
| 07:20.04 | Cairenn | Antiarc: claws can be fun sometimes ;-) |
| 07:20.07 | Antiarc | Yeah. 6'10". I've pretty much never had to be mean >_> |
| 07:20.14 | Antiarc | I usually just sorta tower over people and threaten to fall on them |
| 07:20.20 | Kaelten | Antiarc: you frown the crowd scatters |
| 07:20.28 | Antiarc | Everbody MOVE! |
| 07:20.35 | Torhal | Kaelten: The OP is?? |
| 07:20.35 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc, you must be physical then because your verbal fury leaves something to be desired |
| 07:20.36 | Kaelten | "TIMBER!" |
| 07:20.40 | Xinhuan | GatherMate is also GPL ;p |
| 07:20.41 | Antiarc | When I grow up I want to be Fezzik |
| 07:20.53 | Lunessa | You are the Brute Squad! |
| 07:20.54 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:21.01 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: you should fix that |
| 07:21.02 | Cairenn | not me, I'd just look waaaaay up and giggle at you because I know you're just a big teddy bear :) |
| 07:21.05 | Antiarc | Thunder_Child: It's PR. Being a full and complete ass does sorta undercut my righteous fury. |
| 07:21.13 | Antiarc | As long as I keep some semblance of the high ground at least I can point to that. |
| 07:21.27 | Kaelten | Antiarc: come to blizzcon this year so we can go drinking |
| 07:21.29 | Thunder_Child | true, but it's not as much fun for the rest of us watching :) |
| 07:21.30 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, it is GPL because a small section of code was used from astrolabe library |
| 07:21.42 | Antiarc | Kaelten: Ooh, when is it? Because we do need to go drinking. |
| 07:21.54 | Xinhuan | and to avoid issues with Esamynn who brought it up, kagaro decided to make it GPL as well |
| 07:21.56 | Lunessa | Antiarc: We've seen pictures of you raiding, holding your baby... We KNOW you're not mean. |
| 07:21.57 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: didnt you rewrite that though? |
| 07:21.57 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: portions licensend under GPL other portions all rights reserved? |
| 07:22.03 | Antiarc | Lunessa: Hehe. |
| 07:22.08 | Xinhuan | hmm, not sure how that would work |
| 07:22.12 | Cairenn | wants to go drinking too! |
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| 07:22.22 | Kaelten | Antiarc: end of august isn't it? |
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| 07:22.27 | Antiarc | I'm not sure, TBH |
| 07:22.28 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: you just need to make one crucial part all rights reserved |
| 07:22.30 | Antiarc | But I should see about going! |
| 07:22.32 | Cairenn | Antiarc: weekend of Aug 20/21 (or whatever the dates are that weekend) |
| 07:22.41 | Antiarc | Even if I can't get tickets I could probably drive out and see folks |
| 07:22.47 | Antiarc | It's only about a 5.5 hour drive from here |
| 07:22.47 | Xinhuan | when you next see kagaro on, ask him about it |
| 07:22.57 | Kaelten | Antiarc: that'd be awesome. |
| 07:23.06 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I promise at least one Long Island Iced Tea for you at Blizzcon. |
| 07:23.11 | Arrowmaster | if i wasnt poor i would goto blizzcon |
| 07:23.13 | Cairenn | mmmmmmm |
| 07:23.14 | Cairenn | yummy |
| 07:23.15 | Antiarc | I know for a fact that my wife would let me go, because she would want to claim rights to any pets given out. |
| 07:23.20 | Antiarc | She's a collector. |
| 07:23.21 | Kaelten | Lunessa: na she needs a blue drink ;) |
| 07:23.32 | Antiarc | And I'm not having a baby this year, so it might be doable! |
| 07:23.35 | Torhal | Kaelten: Which addon did he write? |
| 07:23.39 | Kaelten | Antiarc: I still have my unused murky code :) |
| 07:23.39 | Cairenn | I need a CDWS! |
| 07:23.49 | Lunessa | Romulan Ale? ... Or a fish bole full of Blue Hawaiian? |
| 07:23.51 | Xinhuan | omg murky! |
| 07:24.01 | Kaelten | Torhal: something small on wowi |
| 07:24.08 | Kaelten | Lunessa: AMF! |
| 07:24.13 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: GIVE! |
| 07:24.14 | Antiarc | Kaelten: Heh, wow |
| 07:24.22 | Torhal | ...and it's ARR. Nice. |
| 07:24.28 | Antiarc | I'm pretty sure she would do things I don't approve of to get ahold of one of those :P |
| 07:24.29 | Lunessa | Jalandar - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10040-Greeter.html |
| 07:24.40 | Kaelten | Antiarc: lol |
| 07:24.42 | Antiarc | argh, I need to restart pidgin. I can't open links. |
| 07:24.48 | Antiarc | Nobody say anything important in the next 20 seconds. |
| 07:24.50 | Lunessa | Kaelten: If you drink it and can walk after, I'll pay. |
| 07:25.06 | Shirik | no |
| 07:25.07 | Kaelten | Lunessa: I can drink about half a bitcher of AMFs |
| 07:25.07 | Shirik | nonono |
| 07:25.10 | Shirik | Lunessa... |
| 07:25.11 | Kaelten | so you're on |
| 07:25.16 | Cairenn | 1/2 a bitcher? |
| 07:25.16 | Kaelten | :D |
| 07:25.18 | Cairenn | snickers |
| 07:25.19 | Lunessa | A fishbowl full? |
| 07:25.20 | Kaelten | pitcher* |
| 07:25.37 | Shirik | Hey Cairenn, remember that discussion we had last night about my guild? |
| 07:25.37 | Kaelten | Lunessa: possible, ask the guys who were there lastyear |
| 07:25.40 | Kaelten | we had a fun |
| 07:25.43 | Cairenn | Shirik: aye |
| 07:25.45 | Shirik | points at the mod Lunessa just linked, and then the author |
| 07:25.57 | Cairenn | nod |
| 07:26.13 | Shirik | I think I'll go bash my head against the wall for a bit |
| 07:26.14 | Lunessa | I warn you folks, I'm of Scottish and Irish linage, and I drink like it. |
| 07:26.27 | Cairenn | Lunessa: I am too, what's your point? |
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| 07:26.37 | Kaelten | I am too, a little further back |
| 07:26.39 | Shirik | Lunessa: You and Cairenn would get along very well then |
| 07:26.42 | Shirik | and Kaelten too |
| 07:26.44 | Cairenn | mmmmm, Scotch |
| 07:26.54 | Lunessa | My point is that I like my liquor and I drink like a goddamned fish. |
| 07:26.58 | Cairenn | I still want a CDWS though |
| 07:27.02 | Kaelten | lol |
| 07:27.06 | Shirik | me on the other hand, I drink pretty much nothing |
| 07:27.10 | Torhal | Lunessa: Thankye. |
| 07:27.15 | krka | meh, my ancestors pwnd you all 1200 years ago |
| 07:27.17 | Kaelten | Shirik: I'll buy you a blue drink ;) |
| 07:27.32 | Shirik | However I just learned that my dad works in this building where at the bottom floor there's a microbrewery |
| 07:27.33 | Cairenn | heh, just make sure they remember to include the mix ;) |
| 07:27.39 | krka | im on ur ailand, pwning ur wimenz |
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| 07:27.51 | Lunessa | Shirik: That's 'cause you weigh like 90 lbs soaking wet and a 2% beer will knock you on your ass. |
| 07:27.55 | Fisker- | Kaelten why does the onebank frame love the onebag frame so much? |
| 07:27.57 | Shirik | hey hey hey |
| 07:28.00 | Shirik | I didn't say I get drunk |
| 07:28.09 | Shirik | In fact, as far as I can remember, I've never been drunk |
| 07:28.11 | Kaelten | Fisker-: update |
| 07:28.24 | zenzio | Shirik: if you "can't remember", then you've been really smashed |
| 07:28.34 | Arrowmaster | scottish, irish, but mostly german, but i dont really drink at all |
| 07:28.39 | Lunessa | krka: Nah, that just means they were our ancestors too. They raided and rutted all over europe. |
| 07:28.39 | |Jelly| | August, eh? I guess I need to start saving (or walking) now. |
| 07:28.45 | Kaelten | OMG, Qt has been compiling for ~ 4 hours |
| 07:28.54 | krka | Lunessa: i don't understand the bragging part about being able to drink much alcohol - it mostly just means you have a damaged liver O_o, and/or a large body |
| 07:28.58 | Kaelten | my cpu is up to 192F |
| 07:29.05 | Arrowmaster | which is odd since im probably the only person in my highschool graduating class that didnt get piss drunk every weekend |
| 07:29.06 | Torhal | Kaelten: You're still using that Pentium Pro? |
| 07:29.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:29.09 | krka | and a lack of self control |
| 07:29.14 | Antiarc | Kaelten: Uhhhhhh. That's not good. |
| 07:29.15 | Lunessa | krka: Both are true for me. Want to make something of it? |
| 07:29.22 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 07:29.29 | krka | Lunessa: not when you're sober |
| 07:29.33 | Kaelten | Torhal: dual core duo extreme thingy |
| 07:29.35 | Arrowmaster | ! 192F in C |
| 07:29.40 | |Jelly| | Fight! FIGHT! FIGHT! |
| 07:29.40 | Arrowmaster | !g 192F in C |
| 07:29.41 | batbot | Arrowmaster: USS Kitty Hawk~VFA-192 F/A18-C Hornet Launch - Truveo Video Search <http://www.truveo.com/USS-Kitty-HawkVFA192-FA18C-Hornet-Launch/id/171113628> |
| 07:29.43 | Lunessa | Do so when Im drunk, it's funnier. |
| 07:29.44 | Shirik | and Lunessa |
| 07:29.49 | Shirik | how do you know how heavy I am >.> |
| 07:30.01 | Lunessa | I've seen photos. You don't eat, son. |
| 07:30.04 | |Jelly| | Pictures gave you up, Shirik. |
| 07:30.06 | Antiarc | ar oh ef el |
| 07:30.07 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910733&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 07:30.16 | Torhal | Kaelten: I'd check the cooling system then, sounds like your CPU is actually slowing down due to heat |
| 07:30.20 | Arrowmaster | batrick: batbot cant do math! |
| 07:30.35 | |Jelly| | Shirik: http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ |
| 07:30.52 | Kaelten | Torhal: it's been pegged at 100% usage for the better part of four and a half hours |
| 07:30.58 | Kaelten | this is crazy |
| 07:31.17 | batrick | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 07:31.26 | Arrowmaster | batrick: google math |
| 07:31.51 | batrick | batbot doesn't use the main page search to get results |
| 07:32.00 | batrick | so none of that math stuff is there |
| 07:32.10 | zenzio | lua> (192 - 32) * 5 / 9 |
| 07:32.10 | lua_bot | zenzio: 88.888888888889 |
| 07:32.14 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 07:32.14 | Torhal | Kaelten: What's crazy is X-Chat was using 2.6GB of RAM on my machine the other night. |
| 07:32.34 | Kaelten | Torhal: I'm only at 1.1GB of ram used totoal atm |
| 07:32.36 | Xinhuan | memory leak is bad |
| 07:33.17 | Kaelten | what I think is scarier is the PS reporting in at 175 |
| 07:33.34 | zenzio | lua> (175 - 32) * 5 / 9 |
| 07:33.34 | lua_bot | zenzio: 79.444444444444 |
| 07:33.36 | Kaelten | I need a mac pro |
| 07:33.41 | zenzio | that does sound a bit high |
| 07:34.23 | Arrowmaster | i know im weird, i use F for everything but computer temps where i use C |
| 07:34.38 | Arrowmaster | so i have to convert to C to make a comparison |
| 07:34.44 | Antiarc | I use C for computer temps because the F version is scary |
| 07:34.49 | Antiarc | It's more degrees. |
| 07:34.58 | Lunessa | ... wait, so how abusable is a system where I have to write in my "compliance" code? /facepalm |
| 07:35.13 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: get your cat to type it |
| 07:35.26 | Antiarc | Lunessa: The guy's a total loon. |
| 07:35.26 | Lunessa | Kaelten: I need one too. Totally. In fact, I need three. |
| 07:35.31 | |Jelly| | Alright. I'm bored. Going to sleep. Nighty night. (Yes, I put in my 12 hours of being a pain in the ass, know-nothing, entitled end-user) |
| 07:35.43 | Antiarc | "Check out of date addons" and "Add this line to the TOC" to get your mods to work! |
| 07:35.57 | Lunessa | I should have gone to be 2 hours ago, but... I'm having too much fun! |
| 07:35.57 | Kaelten | well for 4k, I could hav eone that'd last me a decade, or until I get bored. |
| 07:36.46 | zenzio | Lunessa: you're having inexistential fun? |
| 07:36.48 | Lunessa | Kaelten: I used to replace computers every 6 months. Now I stretch them out for 3-5 years. This box is about 3.5 years old now. :( |
| 07:37.00 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: everybody makes a seperate file for that line and uses the same file name, you put the file in the toc but dont include it in the download and tell people to just copy it from another addon |
| 07:37.05 | Cairenn | night |Jelly|, sweet dreams |
| 07:37.11 | Lunessa | zenzio - I have the Existential Blues. |
| 07:37.25 | zenzio | clearly you do, when you plan to go to be |
| 07:37.33 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: p. much. |
| 07:37.51 | Lunessa | I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. |
| 07:38.03 | zenzio | tough call |
| 07:38.43 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: they'd have to implement official hosting and/or approval based digital signing. |
| 07:38.51 | Kaelten | to really enforce it. |
| 07:38.58 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 07:39.19 | Arrowmaster | i really dont think they want to become the apple store |
| 07:39.21 | Antiarc | It's a shame that stupidity isn't punishable. |
| 07:39.40 | Thunder_Child | DK's name is "Getoverhere" |
| 07:39.42 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 07:40.11 | Elkano | wow... curse is listing over 20k downloads for the latest EBB within 24h *happy* |
| 07:40.16 | Arrowmaster | at that point they would probably just hire more UI devs and remove all addon support from the game rather than try to police everything |
| 07:40.30 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: they'd give up their complete deniability. |
| 07:40.35 | dolseni | i like my DK's name... Anballs |
| 07:40.36 | Kaelten | which is a strong thing they have in their favor atm |
| 07:40.38 | Arrowmaster | Elkano: as of the other day, curse client downloads are now counted |
| 07:40.45 | dolseni | its my DK Anballs |
| 07:40.46 | Elkano | yeah, I know :) |
| 07:40.58 | Kaelten | yeah it's nice to see more accurate download counts |
| 07:41.08 | Kaelten | wowace's aren't counted yet |
| 07:41.10 | Antiarc | Blizzard is a big fan of getting all this functionality without having to support it |
| 07:41.20 | Kaelten | Antiarc: and why shouldn't they |
| 07:41.24 | Antiarc | Of course. |
| 07:41.27 | Kaelten | but I can see wowace's downloads |
| 07:41.33 | Antiarc | The number of man-hours that have gone into making the WoW UI usable and rich would bankrupt most companies. |
| 07:42.26 | Kaelten | yeah, and thats not even counting the addon work |
| 07:42.47 | Kaelten | Antiarc: just curious, being a website owner/operator. What do you think about 3.5Gb/s of traffic. |
| 07:42.55 | Kaelten | Think we can put it on godaddy for $30/month? |
| 07:43.08 | Antiarc | Heh, probably not. |
| 07:43.19 | Antiarc | :P |
| 07:43.19 | Kaelten | but.... it's unlimited |
| 07:43.38 | Antiarc | The fine print always says "we will bitchslap you if you use more than we like" :P |
| 07:44.07 | Kaelten | or it's unlimited! (over a .5mbit pipe) |
| 07:44.16 | Kaelten | "At this time curse and WI are the only two options for addons but in a few months maybe just short of a year from now you will see blizzard open a new section on www.worldofwarcraft.com that will host addons and and blizzard will release its own client. Trust me when I say this is coming i know for a fact." |
| 07:44.20 | Kaelten | le sigh |
| 07:44.41 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 07:44.43 | Fisker- | though they should |
| 07:44.44 | Antiarc | hahah, where is that from |
| 07:44.45 | Torhal | A fact. |
| 07:44.51 | Kaelten | http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx |
| 07:44.56 | Torhal | We're doomed. Insider information, and all that jazz. |
| 07:45.09 | Torhal | I blame Fisker- |
| 07:46.40 | krka | i for one welcome our blizzard addon distribution overlords |
| 07:47.09 | Lunessa | Especially since the WoW site will come with hookers and blow. |
| 07:48.17 | krka | and blackjack! |
| 07:48.29 | Olison | Oh, will it now? |
| 07:48.33 | Olison | Good to know. |
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| 07:49.32 | Torhal | krka: I think they're considering Texas Hold'em instead. |
| 07:50.43 | Antiarc | "Then if that became a problem, you simply require addon authors to apply for an API license code for each addon. As a part of their agreement to get one, they agree to the license terms. Each addon API license code is tied to a specific addon with a specific name, and will not load more than one addon for any user with the same code. " |
| 07:50.51 | Antiarc | Oy. |
| 07:50.55 | Antiarc | This guy's a grade A loon. |
| 07:51.21 | Lunessa | He must work for a government agency. |
| 07:52.23 | ZorbaGama | the sad part is, I bet there's at least one person in Blizzard reading that thinking "hey yeah that's a good idea, we've given those UI mod authors a free ride for long enough" |
| 07:52.44 | Kaelten | ZorbaGama: I doubt that |
| 07:53.06 | Kaelten | that he's proposing is _a lot_ of work, and would jack up their expenses considerably |
| 07:53.10 | Antiarc | Blizzard is usually quite reasonable, UI policy technicalities notwithstanding. |
| 07:53.34 | ZorbaGama | c'mon, I can almost guarantee it. Maybe not a person in a position of power, but *someone*. I mean I've already had a Blizzard sysadmin say that if I improved Questhelper it'd end up banned. |
| 07:53.53 | ZorbaGama | (I checked - he was a system tech in some remote data center. I decided not to take his comment as authoritative.) |
| 07:53.55 | Antiarc | rofl, what? |
| 07:54.14 | krka | why would blizzard try to rock the boat that's making them money? |
| 07:54.28 | ZorbaGama | one of the three dudes (including me) who decided to improve QH at about the same time. I mentioned a few of my ideas, he told me that I'd end up banned if I did anything major, then dropped off the face of the earth. |
| 07:54.29 | krka | their addon system works surprisingly well, without too much work on their part |
| 07:54.35 | krka | and the gain is enourmous |
| 07:54.51 | Spellbinder | <krka> why would blizzard try to rock the boat that's making them money? <--- i'll ask |
| 07:54.51 | Antiarc | That sounds like some tool talking out of his butt, rather than an official Blizzard opinion. |
| 07:54.53 | ZorbaGama | krka, as I said, I don't think it'll happen. But *somebody* in there, I can almost guarantee, thinks it's a good idea. |
| 07:54.57 | ZorbaGama | antiarc, 100% agreed. |
| 07:55.41 | Spellbinder | krka ---> <wacko> in regards to what? |
| 07:55.41 | Kaelten | ZorbaGama: ok if you could the sys admins in china |
| 07:56.07 | Kaelten | anywho |
| 07:56.09 | Kaelten | I'm going to bed |
| 07:56.28 | Kaelten | and going to stop watching Qt compile as it enters it's 5th hour of compilation |
| 07:57.13 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaGama: we all know that the game designers at blizzard are just that, designers with all the power but dont actually do anything else like program anything, they could decide its too much like a bot and get it broken dispite any common sense the real programmers have it would get done |
| 07:57.17 | Lunessa | ZorbaGama: Some tool who is a card-carrying idiot, communist, or mentally challenged. I doubt anyone with the power to make such things policy. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if someone internal has recommended eliminating AddOn support or bringing it in-house before. |
| 07:57.20 | Thunder_Child | holy crap, i finally won my own sharded abyss crystal |
| 07:58.01 | theorbtwo | I mean, it almost sounds like a good idea to me -- blizzard distributing addons, that is. |
| 07:58.15 | Thunder_Child | isnt going to happen |
| 07:58.30 | theorbtwo | No, it's not actually a good idea, but only because of very external factors. |
| 07:58.35 | theorbtwo | Liability. |
| 07:58.36 | Spellbinder | anyway krka blizzard are so much more the wow |
| 07:58.39 | Thunder_Child | they /like/ the addon cummunity |
| 07:58.42 | Spellbinder | then* |
| 07:58.49 | Thunder_Child | comunity* |
| 07:58.55 | krka | *community |
| 07:59.01 | Thunder_Child | yes that |
| 07:59.15 | Thunder_Child | but it's a losing battle to get me to spell corectly |
| 07:59.18 | ZorbaGama | grr why is it so impossible to remove things from the tooltip |
| 08:01.59 | Antiarc | ZorbaGama: Copy the tooltip texts, clear, and re-add without the text you want to remove? |
| 08:02.31 | ZorbaGama | antiarc, then GetUnit() and the like stop working |
| 08:02.35 | Arrowmaster | didnt i tell you before to just fontstring:SetText(nil) and tooltip:Show() |
| 08:02.36 | Antiarc | ah |
| 08:02.52 | ZorbaGama | arrow, yeah, and after some tweaking, it almost works - except the tooltip picks up some extra vertical padding |
| 08:02.55 | ZorbaGama | (I can make a screenshot if you want) |
| 08:03.09 | Arrowmaster | thats what tinytip does to shrink the unit tooltips |
| 08:03.23 | ZorbaGama | hmm, I'll check out how tinytip deals with the vertical spacing issue then |
| 08:03.55 | Torhal | Antiarc: Heh, you were rather close in verbiage to my response on that last one |
| 08:03.59 | Arrowmaster | im only referring to the tinytip from before twobits took over |
| 08:04.08 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue what hes done to it |
| 08:04.20 | Arrowmaster | and have no desire to use that version |
| 08:04.41 | Shirik | batrick :( |
| 08:04.51 | Shirik | that was one of the best games I've played |
| 08:04.58 | batrick | I moved my queen in the wrong spot |
| 08:05.01 | batrick | and |
| 08:05.02 | batrick | lost it |
| 08:05.16 | batrick | lol |
| 08:05.19 | Shirik | well |
| 08:05.21 | Shirik | besides that part |
| 08:05.24 | batrick | it was still fun ya |
| 08:05.40 | Shirik | I honestly have never made a sacrificial move on my queen like that before |
| 08:05.50 | Shirik | I still would like to have seen how it played uot |
| 08:10.44 | Elkano | thanks Cairenn (or whoever of wowi staff worked on my reports :) ) |
| 08:10.44 | Cairenn | Elkano: you're welcome, just responded to your email, actually |
| 08:10.45 | Cairenn | confirming delete x1, move x2 |
| 08:10.45 | batrick | Shirik: I don't really know why you did that |
| 08:10.45 | batrick | I felt it was a bad move. |
| 08:11.07 | Shirik | I was looking at a fork between two knights and freeing both my rooks |
| 08:11.43 | Shirik | I wasn't sure if it was going to work out but I had to make a decision fairly quickly |
| 08:11.58 | Shirik | and it worked out in the end |
| 08:11.59 | Shirik | lolol |
| 08:12.17 | Shirik | That was my plan all along, to confuse you to the point where you misclicked the square |
| 08:16.35 | Fisker- | Looks like Valve is making a MMO out of TF2 :P |
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| 08:17.04 | Shirik | Hold up |
| 08:17.10 | Shirik | are they seriously resetting all talent trees? |
| 08:17.18 | Spellbinder | again? |
| 08:17.23 | Shirik | is what someone posted on forums |
| 08:17.39 | Fisker- | yep |
| 08:17.40 | Spellbinder | well i respecced yesterday after 3.1 |
| 08:17.42 | Fisker- | To fix all of the talent bugs |
| 08:17.47 | Spellbinder | omai |
| 08:18.29 | Shirik | glad I didn't respec tonight like I almost did |
| 08:18.43 | Antiarc | You know |
| 08:19.04 | Antiarc | All this shit from the plebes in the UI forums gives me a great deal of appreciation for Ghostcrawler. |
| 08:19.15 | Spellbinder | i'm not that good at builds :( |
| 08:19.18 | Antiarc | (though, in fairness, he's paid to tolerate it) |
| 08:19.27 | Spellbinder | and the theres new talents :/ |
| 08:19.48 | Shirik | appreciates Cairenn |
| 08:19.57 | Cairenn | appreciates Shirik, a lot |
| 08:20.07 | Shirik | Cairenn shouldn't :P |
| 08:20.38 | Fisker- | naw Antiarc |
| 08:20.47 | Fisker- | we need moar pwnage blues |
| 08:20.59 | wacko | lol |
| 08:21.09 | Fisker- | Tigole shoving someone out of the WotLK beta was priceless |
| 08:21.09 | Spellbinder | lol \o/ |
| 08:21.13 | Spellbinder | wacko!!!!!!1 |
| 08:21.16 | Spellbinder | :D |
| 08:21.21 | Lunessa | Isn't there an Ace3 library for doing all sorts of Who queries? |
| 08:21.35 | Spellbinder | pets wacko |
| 08:21.50 | Torhal | Lunessa: Not part of Ace3, but there's a WhoLib on WoWAce |
| 08:22.00 | Lunessa | *nod* Thanks |
| 08:23.25 | Antiarc | Oh, I remember what, what happened to get the beta boot? |
| 08:23.37 | Antiarc | mouthing off on the forums? |
| 08:23.38 | Fisker- | trollin' of course |
| 08:23.44 | wacko | I am sure the guy said something mean about mages |
| 08:23.57 | Fisker- | I think he was complaining about server performance/bugs etc. |
| 08:24.03 | Antiarc | ah, right |
| 08:24.10 | Spellbinder | hihi |
| 08:24.15 | Olison | Just the right thing to do in a beta |
| 08:24.19 | wacko | thats a valid complaint |
| 08:24.44 | wacko | although the performance was not that bad in the beta I thought |
| 08:24.53 | Antiarc | Man, +hit gear should make me cast into fishing pools more accurately. |
| 08:25.14 | Spellbinder | agility Antiarc |
| 08:25.23 | Lunessa | +Hit gear should get you wimmins. |
| 08:25.33 | Antiarc | I gots all the wimmins I can handle! |
| 08:25.39 | Torhal | Antiarc: WIth spear-fishing, perhaps |
| 08:25.47 | Lunessa | ... /envy |
| 08:25.53 | Spellbinder | +hit gear should help you hit that girl |
| 08:25.55 | Antiarc | One short irish redhead is just about all I can manage :P |
| 08:26.13 | Spellbinder | :)~~ |
| 08:26.25 | Lunessa | ... Totally envy. Redheads mmmmmmm |
| 08:26.56 | Spellbinder | enchanted redhead (fiery) |
| 08:27.49 | Lunessa | lol |
| 08:28.39 | ZorbaGama | woot, finally got it working perfectly |
| 08:28.53 | ZorbaGama | $ git commit -a -m "black magic" |
| 08:29.01 | ZorbaGama | g'night all :P |
| 08:29.06 | Spellbinder | gnite |
| 08:29.06 | Shirik | ZorbaGama: I see the problem |
| 08:29.15 | Shirik | it was the "git" in that command |
| 08:29.22 | Shirik | if it were "svn" there would be no problem |
| 08:31.09 | Lunessa | omg - who told Zorba about black magic? Next Quest Helper is going to be all "AddOn wishes to steal your soul. Cancel or Allow?" |
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| 08:31.37 | dolseni | yeah, redheads are amazing |
| 08:32.01 | ZorbaGama | lunessa, it's actually "Cancel*", and if you look in the right file, there's small text informing you that clicking cancel will be interpreted as "allow" |
| 08:32.05 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:32.10 | Shirik | how did we get on the topic of redheads |
| 08:32.11 | dolseni | i was reading something interesting earlier about the mutated MC1R gene that all redheads ahve |
| 08:32.12 | Shirik | oh nm |
| 08:32.20 | tekkub | not being dismounted when taking a portal is like, best patch change evar |
| 08:32.25 | Lunessa | ZorbaGama: I knew it. You killed Kenny! You bastard! |
| 08:32.59 | dolseni | and how it must also affects hormones or enzymes or something, because its been proven that redheads are harder to sedate |
| 08:33.11 | Lunessa | dolseni: This channel is especially blessed with them. |
| 08:33.27 | Moleculor | Mmm... redheads. |
| 08:33.38 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out. MUST. SLEEP. |
| 08:33.40 | dolseni | and i realize that out of context, it now sounds like i'm a date rapist who is cursed with liking redheads... |
| 08:33.54 | Antiarc | It's very funny. She has a redhead radar, and can tell who is real and who isn't |
| 08:34.03 | Antiarc | And she gets very uppity about fake redheads. |
| 08:34.05 | Moleculor | I think I have a recessive redhead gene in me somewhere, considering my hair is brown, red, and grey, my mother's hair was red when she was younger, and my sister's a redhead. |
| 08:34.07 | Spellbinder | i can tell too |
| 08:34.34 | Moleculor | (The grey is not age. I am 26. I had grey hair when I was 4.) |
| 08:34.38 | dolseni | The mutated MC1R gene has some other surprising effects. Although doctors and medical practitioners have long speculated that redheads were harder to sedate, a recent study from the University of Louisville determined that redheads really do require more anesthesia during surgery. |
| 08:34.39 | dolseni | The researchers ran an experiment where they put women under sedation, and then tested their response to pain. The redheaded patients required 20 to 30 percent more anesthetic than other women to achieve the same level of sedation. |
| 08:35.30 | Shirik | tested their response to pain |
| 08:35.35 | Spellbinder | they are equally hard to seduce |
| 08:35.36 | Shirik | who the heck volunteers to that |
| 08:35.36 | dolseni | Scientists at the university also tried to replicate the experiment with mice, and found that animals with a MC1R mutation required more sedation, too. They theorize that the mutated gene somehow has implications beyond hair color, and perhaps affects hormones or enzymes involved in our neurological system. |
| 08:35.57 | Shirik | Spellbinder: However their seduction powers are more powerful |
| 08:36.04 | Shirik | (that's why they're resistant to seduction) |
| 08:36.05 | Spellbinder | true |
| 08:36.27 | dolseni | i'm glad somebody agrees with me on the whole redhead thing |
| 08:36.28 | Spellbinder | but once you seducted a redhair you never go back |
| 08:36.30 | Spellbinder | :O |
| 08:36.31 | dolseni | everybody else i know thinks i'm crazy |
| 08:37.57 | Moleculor | "Ok now, we're going to put this suit on you, dump you in the ocean, and give you a piece of bloody meat to hold onto. When the sharks bite you, tell us if it hurts, ok?" |
| 08:38.30 | Spellbinder | it has to be done Moleculor |
| 08:38.38 | dolseni | its for the greater good |
| 08:38.38 | Spellbinder | just don't be afraid |
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| 08:39.06 | Spellbinder | sacrifice yourself!½ |
| 08:40.22 | dolseni | man.. i haven't played my pally in 2 days. I just paid for my dual spec and went with holy, but I have been procrastinating setting up some healing addons like grid |
| 08:41.28 | dolseni | oh the whole redhead thing reminds me |
| 08:41.32 | dolseni | i'm pissed at Fox again |
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| 08:41.48 | Antiarc | heh, there's a jump |
| 08:41.59 | dolseni | they are cutting an episode of Dollhouse, which was supposed to focus around a character played by Felicia Day |
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| 08:42.03 | dolseni | a hot redhead |
| 08:42.16 | Moleculor | Felicia Day is a goddess. |
| 08:42.19 | dolseni | who is also in Dr Horrible's sing along blog |
| 08:42.20 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4t6zNZ-b0A |
| 08:42.31 | dolseni | and the little online show The Guild |
| 08:42.39 | Moleculor | And apparently Fox only paid for 12 or 13 episodes or somesuch, of which the 'thirteenth' episode was not part of it. |
| 08:42.50 | Moleculor | They're counting the pilot as 1. |
| 08:43.25 | dolseni | the first episode had already been shot and then fox was like 'no, you have to change it' so they cut it up and spread the footage around for other episodes |
| 08:43.35 | dolseni | yet they are still counting it as an episode |
| 08:43.43 | Moleculor | Yup. |
| 08:44.00 | dolseni | fox has screwed Whedon with so many things |
| 08:44.04 | dolseni | i dont know why he keeps going back |
| 08:44.12 | dolseni | they fucked him with serenity as well |
| 08:44.22 | dolseni | firefly, rather |
| 08:44.32 | Spellbinder | http://feliciaday.com/ |
| 08:44.32 | theorbtwo | dolseni: He keeps going back because they keep buying. |
| 08:44.33 | Moleculor | And with that, I must go to work. Mm. Felicia Day. (Penny-Arcade's been blathering on about either trying to get her, or Vin Diesel into their podcasted D&D4 games.) |
| 08:44.47 | Spellbinder | penny-arcade! |
| 08:44.50 | Spellbinder | wacko |
| 08:45.07 | wacko | no |
| 08:45.09 | Spellbinder | k |
| 08:45.14 | theorbtwo | ...and I think he's said, in many interviews, that the unaired pilot not airing was a good call, not being fucked with. |
| 08:45.39 | dolseni | i'm not so sure i belive that |
| 08:46.05 | dolseni | but yes, he has said it i'm not denying that |
| 08:46.13 | theorbtwo | dolseni: I think it would have told us too much about who Echo was before then we should know at the beginning. |
| 08:46.14 | dolseni | i dont believe he means it though |
| 08:46.38 | dolseni | i dont know what was in the original pilot |
| 08:47.00 | theorbtwo | We are supposed to attach to the character of Echo, and have Christine be this shadow, guessed at. |
| 08:47.14 | Spellbinder | anyone wants to borrow a red thread? i'm going to rest..... |
| 08:47.37 | theorbtwo | dolseni: Neither do I, but I think most of the flashbacks from before where we came in are from it. |
| 08:48.43 | tekkub | http://www.threadless.com/product/1791/Conservation_Status#zoom |
| 08:48.44 | tekkub | hehe |
| 08:48.45 | dolseni | i am tired of these monkey fighting snakes on this monday to friday plane! |
| 08:49.30 | dolseni | nice tekhub |
| 08:49.36 | Spellbinder | twitter is dead long live flutter! |
| 08:49.41 | dolseni | phoenix zombie and jesus |
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| 08:50.40 | tekkub | yup |
| 08:50.59 | tekkub | it almost literally said "great zombie jesus" in picktures |
| 08:51.03 | tekkub | one damn image off |
| 08:52.09 | dolseni | hah, from felicia day's site |
| 08:52.10 | dolseni | Oh, Kindle, what have you done to me? I used to read ârespectableâ high fantasy, things with castles on the covers, 800 pages long with 5 sequels and lots of swordplay. Now I use your anonymous leatherette cover to read vampire and demon lady-porn. :( Sigh. |
| 08:52.43 | tekkub | werebear porn >> all |
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| 08:55.00 | dolseni | oh snaps! |
| 08:55.03 | dolseni | how did i not know about this |
| 08:55.03 | dolseni | Premiering in March of 2009, this is a super-cute sitcom that will be airing on ABC Family. I was lucky enough to be hired for a 4 episode arc towards the end of the season. Sitcoms can be very nerve-wracking, it's like doing a play in front of ... |
| 08:55.27 | dolseni | talking about Roommates |
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| 08:56.07 | theorbtwo | dolseni: Who huh what? |
| 08:56.22 | theorbtwo | Who was hired? |
| 08:58.02 | dolseni | felicia day |
| 08:58.36 | theorbtwo | Oh, yey. |
| 08:58.50 | theorbtwo | I wonder if it'll make it to the end of season. |
| 09:06.03 | Arrowmaster | its abc not fox |
| 09:10.30 | jnwhiteh | i think this guy who commented on praid is not going to be happy with me |
| 09:10.39 | jnwhiteh | but he effing deserves it |
| 09:11.04 | jnwhiteh | starts here |
| 09:11.05 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4673-PerfectRaid.html#cmnt147168 |
| 09:11.07 | Fisker- | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:11.25 | wacko | .. |
| 09:11.57 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: He was starting shit about the WoWI updater earlier today. |
| 09:12.06 | jnwhiteh | lol really? |
| 09:12.25 | Torhal | Yah. Said Carbonite was "the only reason I still have to come here" |
| 09:12.38 | wacko | Carbonite LOL |
| 09:12.42 | Torhal | Heh |
| 09:12.47 | wacko | they fix that mod yet ? |
| 09:13.19 | Torhal | They can do that? |
| 09:13.21 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:13.33 | wacko | I don't know can they ? |
| 09:14.03 | Torhal | ~8ball |
| 09:14.04 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Ask again later |
| 09:14.25 | wacko | I heard blizzard broke it because they removed the ability to use the random number gen in code, as it was allowing people to exploit the seed used in the gen, which Carbonite I thought used to obfuscate their mod... |
| 09:14.44 | jnwhiteh | .... |
| 09:14.45 | jnwhiteh | uhh? |
| 09:15.03 | jnwhiteh | the Lua random number has nothing to do with the wow client random gen |
| 09:15.19 | wacko | so blizzard had a random num gen |
| 09:15.22 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 09:15.23 | wacko | which people used |
| 09:15.27 | jnwhiteh | and that has nothing to do with the one in Lua |
| 09:15.28 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 09:15.28 | wacko | which they removed |
| 09:15.29 | jnwhiteh | they didn't use it. |
| 09:15.32 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 09:15.34 | Torhal | Nor to do with obfuscating code That was done on THEIR end |
| 09:15.34 | jnwhiteh | again |
| 09:15.36 | jnwhiteh | you are wrong |
| 09:15.47 | wacko | they did remove the one from thier code |
| 09:15.53 | wacko | blizzard that is |
| 09:15.59 | jnwhiteh | ?? |
| 09:15.59 | wacko | they may not have removed the lua one |
| 09:16.07 | Torhal | Yes, but that has nothing to do with obfuscation, or loot rolls. |
| 09:16.08 | jnwhiteh | you seem to be very very confused |
| 09:16.09 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 09:16.20 | jnwhiteh | if you can link a blue post, feel free |
| 09:16.21 | Arrowmaster | they removed math.randomseed() |
| 09:16.24 | Arrowmaster | that was all |
| 09:16.40 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 09:16.46 | wacko | yes, which could be exploited which is why they removed it |
| 09:16.51 | jnwhiteh | proof? |
| 09:17.11 | jnwhiteh | as far as I am aware the math.randomseed and math.random functions were NOT connected to the Blizzard's numgen, they used the standard Lua versions. |
| 09:17.12 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle said it in this channel |
| 09:17.35 | Arrowmaster | just that math.randomseed() could be used to make math.random() not random |
| 09:17.36 | Antiarc | There's no way the math.randomseed and math.random functions are connected to Blizzard's number generators |
| 09:17.50 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: thank you, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here =) |
| 09:17.52 | Antiarc | Those run in the local Lua state, whereas RNG for loot rolls, etc, happens serverside. |
| 09:18.14 | jnwhiteh | there's no need for randomseed in the game |
| 09:18.17 | jnwhiteh | so I can understand removing it |
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| 09:18.40 | jnwhiteh | but this conspiracy theory about altering loot tables seems to be founded in silliness.. That's just not how the system works. |
| 09:18.43 | Antiarc | You could use math.randomseed to make RNG in the Lua state predictable, but what good does that do you? |
| 09:18.45 | wacko | if you can set the seed you can make it so certain numbers come up all the time |
| 09:18.52 | jnwhiteh | wacko: FOR LUA |
| 09:18.57 | jnwhiteh | which has nothing to do with anything other than addons |
| 09:18.58 | Torhal | wacko: Sure, in an AddOn. Not in loot rolls. |
| 09:18.58 | Antiarc | For your local Lua state. |
| 09:19.01 | wacko | the case that blizzard used |
| 09:19.02 | krka | jnwhiteh: Whenever someone writes Lua in upper case, god kills a kitten. :( :-P |
| 09:19.07 | Antiarc | Which is utterly and completely unrelated to loot rolls |
| 09:19.11 | jnwhiteh | I WAS YELLING =) |
| 09:19.20 | Torhal | That's like saying you can write an AddOn to make other people cyber. |
| 09:19.24 | Antiarc | In that cause it should have been lUA |
| 09:19.28 | wacko | was that you could use it to cast spells based on the number that was rolled, but you cannot cast the spells directly |
| 09:19.35 | Antiarc | ...what. |
| 09:19.38 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:19.39 | wacko | yes |
| 09:19.46 | Arrowmaster | oh... |
| 09:19.49 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 09:19.52 | Arrowmaster | for /castrandom |
| 09:19.53 | Antiarc | Via castrandom? |
| 09:19.54 | Torhal | The Lua environment has NO correlation to the in-game world. |
| 09:20.00 | Arrowmaster | now i do see it |
| 09:20.03 | jnwhiteh | Okay, that makes sense |
| 09:20.11 | jnwhiteh | but that's about 1000 times different from your original argument |
| 09:20.17 | Antiarc | But...why not use castsequence? |
| 09:20.31 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: because this way you can get around cooldowns, GCD, etc. |
| 09:20.38 | jnwhiteh | by setting the randomseed preclick |
| 09:20.47 | Torhal | That's what I was wondering, how it was exploited. Ouch. |
| 09:20.56 | Antiarc | castrandom doesn't do anything to avoid the GCD or cooldowns, does it? |
| 09:21.02 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:21.06 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: you're missing the vector =) |
| 09:21.15 | jnwhiteh | I set up a castrandom with all my spells |
| 09:21.16 | Antiarc | I'm confused as to what the exploit was. |
| 09:21.20 | jnwhiteh | preclick, I check to see which is avaialbale |
| 09:21.22 | jnwhiteh | i set the random seed |
| 09:21.27 | jnwhiteh | to ensure the "right" spell is chosen |
| 09:21.30 | Antiarc | Aha, okay. |
| 09:21.34 | jnwhiteh | boom, I spam one button and it always works |
| 09:21.37 | Antiarc | Makes sense. Clever. |
| 09:21.42 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 09:21.43 | dolseni | i have a character named ErinChambers, another amazing redhead |
| 09:21.44 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.randomseed(1); return math.random() |
| 09:21.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 0.84018771715471 |
| 09:21.48 | jnwhiteh | but has nothing to do with the loot tables :P |
| 09:21.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.randomseed(1); return math.random() |
| 09:21.49 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 0.84018771715471 |
| 09:21.52 | dolseni | so i decided to see if FeliciaDay was taken |
| 09:21.57 | dolseni | and well, it is now =) |
| 09:21.59 | Antiarc | Yes, PRNGs are deterministic :P |
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| 09:22.14 | krka | deterministic functions are deterministic |
| 09:22.23 | jnwhiteh | krka lies! |
| 09:22.36 | Etanol | krka: prove it |
| 09:22.42 | Arrowmaster | not sure if anybody actually used that exploit though |
| 09:22.46 | Antiarc | I ran into a truly non-deterministic function once |
| 09:22.54 | wacko | it was the reason it was removed |
| 09:22.56 | Antiarc | Turns out I had some bad RAM and bogus values were being read out of it |
| 09:23.02 | Antiarc | That was a fun debugging session. |
| 09:23.22 | jnwhiteh | hehehe |
| 09:23.46 | Arrowmaster | since zoot just said 'he realized math.randomseed() could be used to cause predictable math.random() results' |
| 09:24.05 | jnwhiteh | wacko: I'm sorry that we got frustrated, but you start making sensationalist claims that are unfounded and just plain wrong.. |
| 09:24.13 | jnwhiteh | I'm glad we're all on teh same page now. |
| 09:24.21 | Antiarc | Interesting that castrandom uses the Lua state rather than the C srand. |
| 09:24.32 | Arrowmaster | i would have thought that if somebody was abusing that we would have found out about it before the patch if blizzard managed to find out about it |
| 09:24.35 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: i think the slash command is written in Lua |
| 09:24.40 | jnwhiteh | in teh secure command handlers. |
| 09:24.45 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 09:24.49 | Antiarc | Fair enough. |
| 09:25.42 | Antiarc | If it were up to me, I'd have just exposed crand() or something, which would get a random value from the underlying program, without any ability to observe or modify the seed |
| 09:26.00 | Antiarc | But I can't really think of a good reason to set the seed in addons, either, so meh. |
| 09:26.02 | jnwhiteh | well there's no real good reason to need to seed the randomizer in Lua |
| 09:26.04 | wacko | yea, I do not think they are goign to do that |
| 09:26.06 | jnwhiteh | most of them are nefarious :P |
| 09:26.10 | Etanol | ~seed |
| 09:26.11 | purl | rumour has it, seed is a generative principle or the past tense of "see", for 'merkins |
| 09:26.14 | jnwhiteh | wacko: you misundertsand.. again. |
| 09:26.19 | jnwhiteh | He's not talking about the server side RNG |
| 09:26.25 | wacko | I KNOW |
| 09:26.28 | jnwhiteh | he's talking about exposing the C random function from the client, without the ability to seed. |
| 09:26.37 | jnwhiteh | why would there be a problem in doing that? |
| 09:26.38 | Etanol | define "ability to seed" |
| 09:26.47 | jnwhiteh | Etanol: you can seed a random number generator. |
| 09:26.47 | wacko | I just do not think they will do it |
| 09:26.50 | Antiarc | "unable to call srand" |
| 09:27.01 | Etanol | jnwhiteh: which means? |
| 09:27.03 | jnwhiteh | Etanol: that ensures that the PNG produces the same sequence of numbers afterwards |
| 09:27.09 | jnwhiteh | !api randomseed |
| 09:27.10 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'randomseed' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/randomseed |
| 09:27.20 | Antiarc | PRNGs take a seed, and then generate a sequence of numbers off that seed |
| 09:27.32 | Antiarc | The timestamp or time since operating system bootup are traditional seeds |
| 09:27.42 | jnwhiteh | i use timestamp + clock |
| 09:27.42 | Antiarc | Consider the function "n = n + 1" as your "PRNG" |
| 09:27.44 | jnwhiteh | just cause :P |
| 09:27.53 | Antiarc | Obviously this sucks since it's just linear, but you get the idea |
| 09:27.54 | Etanol | that's just bs :/ |
| 09:28.03 | Etanol | why would you like to customize random? |
| 09:28.05 | Antiarc | seed with "1", call your rand and you get "2" |
| 09:28.09 | Etanol | isn't random sacred anymore? |
| 09:28.15 | Antiarc | Because you can't do true random without quantum computing? |
| 09:28.27 | Etanol | you can do mysterious secret random |
| 09:28.34 | Arrowmaster | they could have just put a math.randomseed(GetTime()) before they used math.random() in the /castrandom handler but then it would make the result entirely dependent on the time you used the ability |
| 09:28.42 | Antiarc | Everything "random" in modern computing is deterministic, unless it's hooked up to a piece of entropy-generating hardware. |
| 09:29.09 | Etanol | Antiarc: might be true, but why not just let the os handle it? why try to "control" it? |
| 09:29.28 | Antiarc | Etanol: There are any number of valid esoteric reasons. |
| 09:29.54 | Antiarc | The simplest of which is that randomization is not an OS function |
| 09:29.59 | Arrowmaster | because usually the os random number generator is shit |
| 09:30.04 | krka | Antiarc: well, you can hook it up to hard drive activity, mouse movement, key presses, network input, et.c. to get it quite undeterministic |
| 09:30.25 | Antiarc | I've implemented a Mersenne Twister on my own before, for example, and that requires that a seed be set at some point |
| 09:30.39 | Antiarc | RNGs aren't magical mystical functions, they're just data in, data out, and the data out depends on the data in. |
| 09:31.07 | Torhal | Antiarc: I actually would love to snap that motherfucker's neck. Wow. |
| 09:31.40 | Torhal | Just to put HIM out of his misery. |
| 09:32.08 | Arrowmaster | wonder if you could use a wireless nic for entropy |
| 09:32.14 | Arrowmaster | while still using it |
| 09:32.21 | Antiarc | Pretty easily I suspect |
| 09:32.35 | Arrowmaster | well it would probably require driver support |
| 09:32.36 | Antiarc | Don't most of the classical entropy devices use wind currents or something? |
| 09:33.09 | Arrowmaster | background radio waves is one i know |
| 09:34.18 | Torhal | Antiarc: Notice how he never answers any of the questions, and keeps calling everyone a troll? That's some funny stuff. |
| 09:34.26 | Antiarc | Yup. |
| 09:34.29 | Antiarc | He's just an asshole. |
| 09:34.29 | Arrowmaster | who? |
| 09:34.35 | jnwhiteh | who's this? |
| 09:34.47 | Antiarc | the guy in the "force addons to be licensed as open source" thread |
| 09:34.47 | Torhal | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910733&sid=1 |
| 09:35.07 | Antiarc | aka "I'm pissed that I can't get some addons through wowmatrix because they aren't licensed permissively enough, Blizzard make the mean man stop" |
| 09:35.26 | Torhal | Funny thing is, the guy has an addon on WoWI and it's All Rights Reserved |
| 09:35.37 | Torhal | And he didn't even originally write it |
| 09:35.38 | Antiarc | Oh no, it's one that he forked from someone else |
| 09:35.42 | Torhal | Yup |
| 09:35.49 | Antiarc | Guy's just a toolbag. |
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| 09:36.48 | jnwhiteh | yes, open source is the problem |
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| 09:36.51 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 09:36.55 | jnwhiteh | wowmatrix now says they'll host our addons |
| 09:37.01 | jnwhiteh | where do i put my changelog? |
| 09:37.07 | jnwhiteh | how about the description |
| 09:37.07 | jnwhiteh | screenshots |
| 09:37.08 | jnwhiteh | OH |
| 09:37.13 | jnwhiteh | you mean they'll still link elsewhere for them? |
| 09:37.14 | jnwhiteh | neat |
| 09:37.55 | Arrowmaster | no they wont |
| 09:38.13 | Arrowmaster | they are hosting questhelper and made the link goto a page on their site |
| 09:38.21 | jnwhiteh | oh god, that's even worse |
| 09:38.29 | jnwhiteh | is the author okay with that? |
| 09:38.38 | Arrowmaster | they were doing the same with omen before they removed it |
| 09:38.56 | jnwhiteh | but again, the content from those pages came from another site? |
| 09:39.01 | Arrowmaster | no Zorba said he is probably going to release version 1.0 as something other than GPL |
| 09:39.20 | Arrowmaster | since its almost a complete rewrite by him |
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| 09:39.33 | jnwhiteh | ah yeah |
| 09:39.42 | jnwhiteh | i think they're new tactic is just so slimy |
| 09:39.52 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 09:40.05 | Arrowmaster | they havent once showed they are trying to become legit like people are saying |
| 09:40.13 | Torhal | Primordial slime. WIth grit in it. |
| 09:40.18 | jnwhiteh | not when they send the users to do their dirty work |
| 09:40.27 | Antiarc | Xinhuan actually sent their host a DMCA takedown notice for Omen |
| 09:40.30 | Arrowmaster | they are being forced not to do things that seem legit but they are still doing it in dirty ways |
| 09:40.32 | jnwhiteh | yeah i saw |
| 09:40.35 | Antiarc | They emailed him within a few hours asking permission to host it :V |
| 09:40.39 | Torhal | They use the hosting site's bandwidth, why not use their own users? |
| 09:40.41 | Antiarc | (which he denied) |
| 09:41.11 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: they are, for anything that isnt on its own site and is under an open source license |
| 09:41.26 | Arrowmaster | they are still deep linking to auctioneer |
| 09:41.34 | Arrowmaster | carbonite |
| 09:41.46 | Arrowmaster | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 09:41.54 | Torhal | Gah |
| 09:42.18 | Arrowmaster | they are hosting gathermate routes and a bunch of tullers stuff since they are all under GPL or BSD licenses |
| 09:42.19 | Xinhuan | so Antiarc, good thing we didn't upload to wowui eh |
| 09:42.33 | Antiarc | Xinhuan: heh, yeah. |
| 09:42.52 | Xinhuan | although they are pretty low-profile these days and there isnt' much surrounding them |
| 09:43.00 | Xinhuan | that is questionable these days |
| 09:43.08 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474159894&postId=164724175919&sid=1#51 and http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=129008&postcount=622 |
| 09:43.45 | Cairenn | just for a couple things I've pointed out about them supposedly going "legit" |
| 09:43.48 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: good thing you have legitimate in quotes |
| 09:45.28 | Mikk | jnwhiteh: i think you'll find one more reply in the praid comments |
| 09:45.58 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 09:46.16 | jnwhiteh | what kills me, is he shows very clearly that he doesn't use my addon anymore |
| 09:46.18 | jnwhiteh | so... |
| 09:46.18 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:46.28 | Mikk | On a sidenote, some of the cases where units show up as dead are actually Client bugs. I had it the other day in both Grid and agUF, so figured I'd do UnitIsDead("target") ... and lo and behold, it returned 1 |
| 09:46.31 | Torhal | Cairenn: You may want to edit your post about the Linux version to include the information I posted just afterward - that's the only way I could get it to work due to the filesystem case-sensitivity |
| 09:46.39 | Cairenn | nod |
| 09:46.45 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: yeah this is a bug in th code those |
| 09:46.46 | jnwhiteh | its pre GUID |
| 09:46.48 | jnwhiteh | among other things |
| 09:46.52 | jnwhiteh | so it doens't always do things write |
| 09:46.56 | jnwhiteh | i'm rewriting it to use oUF |
| 09:46.56 | jnwhiteh | in theory |
| 09:47.00 | jnwhiteh | just takes time |
| 09:47.54 | jnwhiteh | i'm willing to accept help :P |
| 09:48.24 | Mikk | Ah, I might, if I actually used praid still, but I fell in love with Grid :P |
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| 09:48.31 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 09:48.31 | Mikk | ducks |
| 09:48.46 | jnwhiteh | i like grid |
| 09:48.50 | jnwhiteh | i've used it for different things too :P |
| 09:48.59 | jnwhiteh | like it for some things, btu dislike the uber compact for others |
| 09:49.13 | Mikk | myeah i agree - mixed blessing |
| 09:49.42 | jnwhiteh | i hate that people use praid |
| 09:49.44 | Mikk | it's a case of me (and many others) wanting to eat the cake and having it too |
| 09:49.47 | jnwhiteh | it was a damn proof of concept addon :P |
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| 09:49.59 | jnwhiteh | but i still use em, so |
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| 09:50.10 | Cairenn | Torhal: mind giving me a step by step that I need to tell them? |
| 09:50.49 | Spellbinder | don't admit to anything |
| 09:50.59 | Cairenn | like, will this make enough sense to them? "Eh, it works if you make a symbolic link which points "Addons" to "AddOns" " |
| 09:51.50 | Torhal | Cairenn: One sec :D |
| 09:51.56 | Cairenn | no worries :) |
| 09:52.05 | Mikk | and people wonder why i insist on lower case file names in our projects .... |
| 09:52.24 | Mikk | (@ work) |
| 09:53.12 | Torhal | Cairenn: Ok. From a command-line, type: ln -s AddOns Addons |
| 09:53.13 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910733&postId=164720280265&sid=1#99 |
| 09:53.35 | Torhal | This creates the symbolic link "Addons", which points to the "AddOns" directory |
| 09:53.49 | Cairenn | Torhal: perfect, thank you :) |
| 09:53.56 | Torhal | np |
| 09:55.10 | Mikk | wonders what TZ ZootFizzle is in |
| 09:55.20 | Arrowmaster | PDT |
| 09:55.24 | Cairenn | he's in Cali |
| 09:55.26 | Mikk | ok |
| 09:55.31 | Arrowmaster | all blizz devs are in cali |
| 09:55.39 | Arrowmaster | at one point all support staff were too i think |
| 09:56.17 | Antiarc | hey guys |
| 09:56.37 | Antiarc | did you know that a no-oversight generate-as-many-keys-as-you-want plaintext signing system is the cure to all of WoW's woes |
| 09:57.06 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: you liked my reply huh? |
| 09:57.15 | Antiarc | Oh I didn't see it yet |
| 09:57.16 | Torhal | Antiarc: Dude is SO fucking clueless. |
| 09:57.18 | Antiarc | I replied on my own |
| 09:58.10 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I said the same thing, roughly, earlier in the thread, and he ignored the fact that I said "purpose-renamed addon" and kept hammering that the key would only be useful for the same-named addon |
| 09:58.26 | Antiarc | The guy's just a toolbag. |
| 09:58.32 | Antiarc | Naive and silly. |
| 09:58.44 | Cairenn | Torhal: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22583 make sure I typed it in correctly, please? I edited the original post, with the note being highlighted in yellow |
| 09:59.12 | Torhal | Cairenn: lowercase ell, not capital eye |
| 09:59.13 | Mikk | God, I wish I could post on US forums |
| 09:59.17 | Mikk | I'd so rip that guy a new ass |
| 10:00.01 | jnwhiteh | yeah me too |
| 10:00.01 | Torhal | LN instead of IN |
| 10:00.08 | Spellbinder | why would i need a addon ui? |
| 10:00.10 | Cairenn | Torhal: aye, got it |
| 10:00.13 | Torhal | kk |
| 10:00.30 | Cairenn | and removed the extra space I had in between the hyphen and the s |
| 10:00.52 | Torhal | Good deal :) |
| 10:01.05 | Spellbinder | it's like the CounterStrike loader i had in my forumthonscript |
| 10:01.19 | Cairenn | You'll also notice that I credited you for it ;) |
| 10:01.24 | Spellbinder | can't i just dl'ed them and install manually? |
| 10:01.36 | Torhal | Cairenn: I saw :) |
| 10:01.44 | Cairenn | we always say thank you to those that help, make sure they get the recognition they deserve :) |
| 10:02.03 | Torhal | Only way to be :) |
| 10:02.12 | Cairenn | yup |
| 10:02.26 | Spellbinder | :O premium membership |
| 10:02.48 | Spellbinder | i c what you did there |
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| 10:05.09 | Mikk | Oh duh, Taichon = Antiarc.. i WAS wondering who the hell was making so much sense out of the blue :) |
| 10:05.14 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: fyi 7zip is 100% free, you should recommend that instead of winzip or winrar since they are just free trials |
| 10:05.26 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: point |
| 10:05.30 | Antiarc | Yeah, the WoW forums switched me to my paladin for some reason and I'm too lazy to switch back. |
| 10:05.39 | Torhal | And 7zip handles most compression formats |
| 10:05.55 | Cairenn | nod |
| 10:05.56 | Arrowmaster | for reading yes |
| 10:08.47 | jnwhiteh | 3.1.1 live today? |
| 10:08.53 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 10:09.13 | Antiarc | Oy, this guy is dense. |
| 10:10.05 | Spellbinder | thick |
| 10:11.02 | Torhal | If his intent ISN'T for WM, then it's so he can put his grubby hands on any project he likes to make a minor modification and say it's his. |
| 10:11.45 | Spellbinder | :O |
| 10:12.30 | Arrowmaster | if that was his intent then he would be pushing for everything to be under a MIT license |
| 10:12.43 | Arrowmaster | or public domain |
| 10:14.25 | Dave2 | .win 38 |
| 10:14.27 | Torhal | Once again, he answers nothing. He pretended like Xinhuan didn't even post. |
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| 10:14.38 | Xinhuan | maybe he is compiling his list |
| 10:14.42 | Xinhuan | give him a couple of hours |
| 10:14.54 | Antiarc | How hard can it be to compile an empty list? |
| 10:14.56 | Cairenn | I'm /still/ waiting for one of you to point out that his own mod isn't licensed open source |
| 10:15.05 | Torhal | Nah, he's been consistently dodging the questions and flinging the word "troll" as if it were a deadly toxin. |
| 10:15.07 | Cairenn | you've all commented on it in here, but no one has actually posted it ;) |
| 10:15.18 | Torhal | Cairenn: Heh, good point. |
| 10:15.31 | Antiarc | I'll post it! |
| 10:15.37 | Torhal | DO EET NAO! |
| 10:15.40 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10040-Greeter.html |
| 10:15.44 | Cairenn | is the link to his |
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| 10:15.49 | batrick | dunno why you guys get worked up over these people |
| 10:16.22 | batrick | I believe the quote is: "Never argue with an idiot; they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." |
| 10:16.23 | Torhal | batrick: I usually never do. There's something about this particular argument that is driving me nuts. Probably the subject matter plus his refusal to actually answer anyone. |
| 10:16.25 | amro | sc#!!@ |
| 10:16.47 | batrick | I gave up on WoW + AddOns |
| 10:17.21 | Cairenn | hugs batrick |
| 10:18.11 | batrick | Some of you are displaying the classic countenance of someone willing to surrender some of their rights (and your fellows suffer) and then go on to be outraged when someone outraged when that someone suggests the rights you value should be taken away. |
| 10:18.30 | Cairenn | oh |
| 10:18.31 | batrick | err |
| 10:18.31 | Cairenn | oh |
| 10:18.33 | Cairenn | I like this |
| 10:18.42 | batrick | to be outraged when that someone suggests* |
| 10:19.40 | Cairenn | "And did you have their permission to fork it in the first place?" http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910733&sid=1&pageNo=6#108 |
| 10:19.40 | Cairenn | vs |
| 10:19.40 | Cairenn | "CREDITS |
| 10:19.40 | Cairenn | ------- |
| 10:19.40 | Cairenn | This addon was started based on an idea from Skint on Bloodhoof (EU) by Greya (greya@synema.be) and called GuildGreet, which was then taken over by Mordikaiin. |
| 10:19.43 | Cairenn | The last version written by Mordikaiin was used as the basis for this mod. The original German translation is available thanks to Urbin, who also forked the code written by Mordikaiin into his own updated version of the mod, from which none of the code in this mod was taken." http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10040-Greeter.html |
| 10:19.57 | Cairenn | errr, sorry |
| 10:20.02 | Cairenn | stupid spacing |
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| 10:21.02 | amro | batrick: I'm having trouble parsing that sentence |
| 10:21.07 | batrick | I tried to fix it :( |
| 10:21.11 | Cairenn | so not only is he distributing his mod without an open source license that he wants everyone else to use, he's also blathering on about people forking other people's projects, when that's exactly what he did |
| 10:21.21 | amro | I'm still stuck in a loop rereading the same line : |
| 10:22.18 | batrick | Some of you are displaying the classic countenance of someone willing to surrender some of their rights (and your fellows suffer) and then go on to be outraged when that someone suggests the rights you value should be taken away. |
| 10:22.22 | batrick | Better?! |
| 10:22.23 | batrick | lol |
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| 10:22.50 | Legorol | batrick: better. It actually makes sense now :) |
| 10:23.22 | batrick | That's not aimed at anyone in particular btw. |
| 10:23.39 | Cairenn | hugs batrick some more |
| 10:23.42 | zenzio | bleh... brother went to Thailand on vacation and visited that tiger monastery place they've shown on Animal Planet... god those creatures are cool |
| 10:23.55 | Cairenn | zenzio: cool! |
| 10:24.10 | Legorol | batrick: Having said that, people will usually look out for their own interests and protect the rights that are important to them. Fits the profile. |
| 10:25.05 | batrick | True, but it disgusts me nonetheless. It won't be long before Blizzard begins changing the UI Policy to include even more such restrictions. |
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| 10:28.28 | Cairenn | batrick: http://ngalanjala.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/and-there-was-no-one-left-to-speak-for-me/ perhaps? |
| 10:28.31 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:28.39 | Cairenn | (love the quote, btw) |
| 10:28.43 | Cairenn | that* |
| 10:29.48 | batrick | Ya there are multiple variations on that fable. That's essentially it though. |
| 10:29.53 | Cairenn | nod |
| 10:30.31 | batrick | Time is past for any resolved effort to defy Blizzard on the UI Policy. |
| 10:30.35 | Antiarc | If Blizzard ever did implement a policy like that, I'd likely fully withdraw from the addon community, as much as I'd hate to. |
| 10:30.45 | Antiarc | Not to make a statement, but simply because I wouldn't want to be a part of it. |
| 10:30.46 | batrick | Yes but you would be one among few. |
| 10:31.54 | Antiarc | I really love the regulars in the community, but man, the fringe is driving me up the wall, and Blizzard's new direction isn't helping it :/ |
| 10:31.58 | batrick | I'm pretty much unsympathetic to anything Blizzard might do to you (the Addon Authors still working) since you have chosen to abide the current policy. |
| 10:32.56 | Spellbinder | woooa |
| 10:33.07 | Arrowmaster | i had stoped, but i had an itch the other day and scratched it |
| 10:33.13 | Arrowmaster | i made a new addon |
| 10:33.14 | Antiarc | ^-- |
| 10:33.17 | Antiarc | Ditto |
| 10:33.22 | batrick | Perhaps seeing a modern manifestation of that very fable would teach people a lesson on other more important infractions on our rights. |
| 10:33.22 | Antiarc | Two small ones, in fact |
| 10:33.49 | Spellbinder | is it the nazu one? |
| 10:33.53 | Antiarc | I guess the thing is that I write to scratch my own itches, and then distribute them because I want others to have good stuff. |
| 10:33.54 | Arrowmaster | but im not sure if im going to finish that addon, its just a PoC |
| 10:34.11 | Antiarc | But I guess I need to just stop distributing or something. I dunno. |
| 10:34.15 | Antiarc | blahhhh. |
| 10:35.48 | airtonix | Cairenn, has there been any discussion about supporting the use of git for revision control and distribution on wowi? |
| 10:36.08 | Torhal | Antiarc: Well, if fucksmudge has his way you'll have to get an API key for your own shit. |
| 10:36.11 | Torhal | :D |
| 10:36.15 | batrick | git doesn't make sense since most addons are supported by benevolent dictators |
| 10:36.20 | Antiarc | If I have to get an API key, screw that, I can't be bothered. |
| 10:36.24 | Cairenn | airtonix: we've actually been trying to get it in place for a while now, but other things just keep coming up that have to be dealt with first |
| 10:36.33 | airtonix | Cairenn, much love |
| 10:36.36 | Cairenn | it keeps getting pushed back, but it is on our list |
| 10:36.39 | Antiarc | I distribute my stuff because wowace makes it dead easy to do so. I don't have to do any work to do it. |
| 10:36.49 | Antiarc | If I have to actually work to distribute stuff, I can't be arsed. |
| 10:37.26 | Torhal | Still no reply to Xinhuan. Looks like he stopped altogether. |
| 10:37.40 | Antiarc | Of course he won't reply. He doesn't have any legitimate points. |
| 10:37.41 | Xinhuan | i prefer getting straight to the point |
| 10:37.45 | Xinhuan | usually stops bickering ;p |
| 10:37.47 | batrick | I believe his goal was wasting your time. |
| 10:38.46 | batrick | night all |
| 10:39.06 | Cairenn | night batrick |
| 10:39.16 | airtonix | Cairenn, i was experiementing with several things, dropbox would be great if its "create-zip-file-from-folder" was public (but its not), github is great (except the downloads you can make of a revision aren't release ready) |
| 10:39.42 | airtonix | Cairenn, and they both lack the frontend to distribution of a website like yours |
| 10:40.02 | airtonix | Cairenn, will be very happy when and if you do get it going |
| 10:40.07 | Cairenn | I know most of you know about it, but doesn't hurt every now and then to remind people .... Shadowed made a lovely little thing to make pushing your releases to WoWI easier: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7633-WoWIModUploader.html |
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| 10:40.21 | Cairenn | airtonix: not if, it will happen, just "when" |
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| 10:40.37 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: what was your view on curseforge? |
| 10:41.13 | airtonix | i dont relilably have a view on it as a developer, as a user i find its page load times to be a bit annoying. |
| 10:41.26 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, not much more i can say about it. |
| 10:41.42 | Arrowmaster | so you havent tried it |
| 10:41.52 | Torhal | Cairenn: BTW: You can delay the thread stuff all you want as far as I'm concerned. I just go to the main forum page and double-click the cog next to nUI, oUF, and Carbonite threads before checking new posts. Poof. No wading through pages of stuff I'm not interested in. |
| 10:42.00 | Torhal | Dunno how many people know about that |
| 10:42.10 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, not as developer no |
| 10:42.29 | Antiarc | Hmm, wowace supports remote repos now |
| 10:42.36 | Torhal | Has for a bit now |
| 10:42.37 | Arrowmaster | it has for a long time |
| 10:42.39 | Antiarc | Maybe I should try hosting my repos on wowi, and then setting up a remote repo on wowace. |
| 10:42.42 | Arrowmaster | svn only afaik |
| 10:42.42 | Torhal | You can synch from WoWI if you want |
| 10:42.46 | Antiarc | I haven't written addons for a long time :P |
| 10:42.59 | Antiarc | seriously, I've been out of the loop. |
| 10:43.01 | Cairenn | Torhal: we still want it in there, so many people aren't as ... technically savvy ... as you ;) |
| 10:43.32 | WobWork | hg? =) |
| 10:43.42 | Torhal | kk |
| 10:43.46 | Antiarc | CVS IMO |
| 10:43.52 | airtonix | so if i wanted to use github as my revision control point how would i go about tying the release distribution to wowi? (is the best thing to wait for the proper git support at wowi?) |
| 10:43.53 | zenzio | rcs |
| 10:44.46 | Cairenn | airtonix: talk to tekkub ;) |
| 10:45.02 | Cairenn | airtonix: if anyone would know, it'd be him, since he works for github now :) |
| 10:45.15 | Antiarc | wow, really? That's awesome. |
| 10:45.18 | Torhal | I wish I could push from WoWAce to WoWI...waiting for the packager to generate a zip, downloading it, then pushing to WoWI is annoying :) |
| 10:45.44 | Torhal | Antiarc: And he did it based on a portfolio consisting entirely of AddOns. |
| 10:45.47 | Cairenn | Torhal: look at the program Shadowed wrote that I just linked |
| 10:45.52 | Torhal | Doing so now. |
| 10:46.01 | Antiarc | That's pretty awesome. |
| 10:47.51 | jnwhiteh | wonder if curse would implement that as a packager option |
| 10:48.28 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: uploading to wowi? |
| 10:48.36 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 10:48.41 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Ask ckknight |
| 10:48.43 | jnwhiteh | wouldn't be terribly difficult. |
| 10:48.49 | jnwhiteh | I'm musing, not asking :P |
| 10:48.53 | Torhal | Heh |
| 10:49.00 | WobWork | Cairenn: could you relink> |
| 10:49.02 | Arrowmaster | well i doubt people would want to give curse their wowi username and password |
| 10:49.03 | WobWork | ? |
| 10:49.07 | Arrowmaster | especially password |
| 10:49.11 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: yeah, that's the only issue |
| 10:49.13 | Torhal | WobWork: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7633 |
| 10:49.16 | WobWork | ta |
| 10:49.42 | WobWork | oh svn =( |
| 10:49.43 | Arrowmaster | but if wowi had something like http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/uploading-through-a-script/ |
| 10:50.13 | jnwhiteh | using an API key yeah |
| 10:52.23 | airtonix | cheerio |
| 10:58.08 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 10:58.17 | jnwhiteh | i would pay to transfer a tradeskill from one character to another. |
| 11:16.37 | WobWork | Torhal: is libqtipclick similar to what dewdrop was? |
| 11:18.11 | Elkano | no |
| 11:18.24 | Elkano | it's more similar to what tablet was |
| 11:18.29 | WobNet | just single layer click functionality on a tooltip |
| 11:18.42 | Elkano | a tooltip where you can asign click handlers to lines (or in this case cells) |
| 11:18.58 | Elkano | exactly |
| 11:20.57 | WobNet | heh |
| 11:21.02 | Torhal | In theory, it could be made to work in a similar fashion as Dewdrop. |
| 11:21.09 | WobNet | I'm trying to find functionality for two different addons >< |
| 11:21.17 | WobNet | I'm trying to ressurect HeyFu |
| 11:21.23 | WobNet | which used Dewdrop a lot |
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| 11:21.53 | WobNet | but it might end up that I'll have to make my own guibrowser for the conversations |
| 11:22.05 | WobNet | rather than have a dewdropalike |
| 11:22.09 | Torhal | I'm using Dewdrop in revelation because I haven't gotten the motivation to add secure handling to QTC |
| 11:22.20 | WobNet | ugh |
| 11:23.59 | Torhal | Anywho, I should have gone to bed 7 hours ago. :D |
| 11:24.11 | Fisker- | http://xkcd.net/ <-genius |
| 11:25.34 | WobNet | Torhal: in regards to the homebrew cells in qtip |
| 11:25.40 | WobNet | what size images can be embedded? |
| 11:26.11 | Torhal | Same as default UI I imagine. No special wizardry there |
| 11:26.44 | Torhal | Gagou has liberal icon/button resizing in tomQuest2 |
| 11:27.00 | WobNet | ta, I'll have a look |
| 11:27.11 | Torhal | np |
| 11:27.16 | Torhal | And now I sleep. |
| 11:28.10 | WobNet | I wonder how the Mac beta of CC is going |
| 11:32.18 | Cairenn | guess I should probably get some sleep, given it's 7:30am |
| 11:32.44 | WobNet | pft |
| 11:32.50 | WobNet | you should be up makin breffus! |
| 11:33.02 | WobNet | Cause the whistle goes WOOO WOOO! |
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| 11:36.07 | WobNet | mikma: see the deathstrike nerf? |
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| 12:01.09 | jnwhiteh | dual wielding is dumb for DKs right? |
| 12:01.10 | jnwhiteh | like it can work |
| 12:01.12 | jnwhiteh | but its a bad idea |
| 12:01.17 | haste | afaik |
| 12:01.43 | Fisker- | as far as i recall DW is a pretty strong leveling build |
| 12:01.57 | jnwhiteh | oh okay |
| 12:02.03 | jnwhiteh | i just have two 80 dps weps |
| 12:02.08 | jnwhiteh | versus my 60 dps 2-h |
| 12:02.36 | jnwhiteh | just got unholy presence |
| 12:02.36 | jnwhiteh | yay |
| 12:02.52 | haste | \:D/ |
| 12:02.55 | jnwhiteh | and AMS |
| 12:03.09 | haste | PMS? |
| 12:03.21 | Fisker- | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:03.24 | Fisker- | i hate you haste |
| 12:03.24 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:03.25 | amro | jnwhiteh: DW can be pretty good with a deep frost build |
| 12:03.29 | haste | velter Fisker-! |
| 12:03.34 | amro | although I'm not sure how much dps they lost with the HB nerf |
| 12:03.37 | jnwhiteh | i'm full unholy |
| 12:03.49 | jnwhiteh | but the weps i have are so much better |
| 12:03.53 | jnwhiteh | i'll stick with DW until i get a 2h |
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| 12:04.58 | jnwhiteh | i forgot to rune them tho |
| 12:04.59 | jnwhiteh | stupid me |
| 12:05.10 | jnwhiteh | just hit 70 lol |
| 12:05.13 | Trela_ | Good morning developers! |
| 12:05.31 | Trela_ | Congratulations, you are officially done with Outlands! |
| 12:05.39 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:05.46 | jnwhiteh | ive been in northrend for 3 levels |
| 12:06.18 | Fisker- | Hey sexy battle.net, wanna merge accounts? |
| 12:06.20 | Fisker- | Oh wait :( |
| 12:06.30 | Trela_ | I went to Northrend at 68, then went back to do some quests in Outlands since the gap messed up the leveling smoothness. |
| 12:07.32 | Elkano | hey sexy Fisker-, wanna merge bodys? |
| 12:07.45 | Elkano | oh wait *börk* |
| 12:08.31 | Fisker- | no u |
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| 12:12.18 | jnwhiteh | can you dual fallen crusader |
| 12:12.23 | jnwhiteh | or does it have an internal cooldown? |
| 12:13.15 | jnwhiteh | wonder how i should rune my weps |
| 12:14.07 | Fisker- | wowhead! |
| 12:17.13 | jennicide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJOzdLwvTHA |
| 12:17.20 | jennicide | what commerical is that song featured in? |
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| 12:20.04 | mikma | wobin: what nerf? |
| 12:20.09 | jnwhiteh | Fisker-: ? |
| 12:20.21 | Wobin | It's now 5% max health per disease |
| 12:20.26 | haste | jennicide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Michaelson#Television_appearances |
| 12:20.29 | Wobin | so unholy get the most healing |
| 12:20.49 | jennicide | ahh thanks |
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| 12:21.55 | mikma | wobin: well blood has alot of ways to heal, so i understand that :) but now frost can't heal as much as other specs |
| 12:22.08 | Wobin | mikma: except for unholy =) |
| 12:22.12 | Wobin | er |
| 12:22.14 | Wobin | can't? |
| 12:22.24 | Wobin | oh, yeah |
| 12:22.27 | Wobin | so don't frost dps |
| 12:22.45 | mikma | it's the best dps spec atm! (heh, need proof) |
| 12:22.51 | jnwhiteh | doesn't seem ther'es any information about this |
| 12:23.00 | Wobin | internal cooldown on crusader? |
| 12:23.37 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 12:23.45 | jnwhiteh | just trying to figure out if i should dual runeforge it |
| 12:23.47 | jnwhiteh | or do some other combo |
| 12:23.53 | jnwhiteh | not too familiar with runeforgeing |
| 12:24.00 | mikma | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=51107.msg861378;topicseen#new |
| 12:25.22 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: from the comments it doesn't appear to stack |
| 12:25.25 | Wobin | but, hell, try it |
| 12:25.32 | Wobin | it's not like it costs you anything to runeforge it |
| 12:25.42 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 12:25.42 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:26.07 | jnwhiteh | i'm gonna have to be careful now |
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| 12:26.10 | jnwhiteh | playing in unholy presence |
| 12:26.13 | jnwhiteh | and not having the extra healing :P |
| 12:26.27 | Wobin | damn, AMS nerf =( |
| 12:26.27 | jnwhiteh | or maybe it won't be an issue |
| 12:26.47 | Wobin | were you levelling in blood? |
| 12:27.07 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 12:27.08 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 12:27.10 | jnwhiteh | well yes |
| 12:27.10 | Wobin | you don't necessarily need to use unholy presence |
| 12:27.16 | jnwhiteh | i want to tho=) |
| 12:27.21 | jnwhiteh | and maybe with fallen crusader it'll work out |
| 12:27.35 | Fisker- | I AM AWESOME |
| 12:27.36 | jnwhiteh | but not likely |
| 12:28.11 | mikma | blood spec is something i've tested only once |
| 12:28.20 | mikma | and that was naxx25man :D |
| 12:28.30 | jnwhiteh | i leveled to 70 in alpha |
| 12:28.34 | jnwhiteh | as blood |
| 12:28.35 | jnwhiteh | so nice |
| 12:29.25 | Wobin | I like bloodspec dps |
| 12:29.27 | Wobin | it's fun |
| 12:29.33 | Wobin | (also easy) |
| 12:29.39 | Wobin | rotation is simple =P |
| 12:29.39 | mikma | my friend leveled to 80 all the way, played pvp + pve with blood too, until i convinced him to try unholy :) |
| 12:30.26 | Wobin | IT, PS, Pest ->HS, HS, DS, runedump |
| 12:30.35 | Wobin | HSx4, DS, Runedump |
| 12:30.37 | Wobin | repeat =P |
| 12:31.33 | Wobin | and cause HS is a cleave, it hits two mobs at once |
| 12:31.42 | Wobin | and if you need more, just replace HS with BB |
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| 12:32.04 | Wobin | although you can also drop a DRW as a runedump |
| 12:32.20 | Etanol | yo |
| 12:32.26 | Wobin | although I need to use my ghoul more |
| 12:32.47 | Wobin | I need an alert on ghoul life so I can sacrifice him before he collapses |
| 12:33.00 | Etanol | Wobin: I use petframe |
| 12:33.15 | Wobin | doesn't show the countdown til collapse though |
| 12:33.18 | jnwhiteh | stop blocking wowmatrix |
| 12:33.18 | jnwhiteh | I use wowmatrix to keep my 88 addons uptodate. Coming to this website to everytime I need to update is a total time consumer. Please stop blocking wowmatrix. Thank you. |
| 12:33.27 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me. Thank you. |
| 12:33.35 | mikma | ok, i stopped blocking wowmatrix |
| 12:33.37 | mikma | is he happy now? |
| 12:33.50 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: any time |
| 12:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, how sweet! :P |
| 12:34.09 | Wobin | "We have now stopped blocking WoWMatrix" |
| 12:34.14 | Wobin | "We never started" |
| 12:34.24 | mikma | just point me where to bite, rawr? |
| 12:34.34 | Wobin | "We merely changed the way our downloads are accessed |
| 12:34.42 | Wobin | If WoWMatrix cannot keep up. That is their problem" |
| 12:35.02 | jnwhiteh | LH comments |
| 12:35.04 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 12:35.24 | Etanol | Wobin: whaat? countdown? you know, player based damage cannot be predicted.... |
| 12:35.27 | Wobin | People are so entitled =P |
| 12:35.37 | Wobin | Etanol: no, the non permanent ghoul only lasts... one minute? |
| 12:35.39 | Twidget | Hi Mikma... I made it here! Thanks! |
| 12:35.41 | Wobin | or a few minutes or something |
| 12:35.46 | Wobin | and then collapses |
| 12:36.03 | Wobin | yeah one minute |
| 12:36.17 | Wobin | so I need a countdown before the ghoul collapses so I can sacrifice it for health |
| 12:36.24 | Etanol | Wobin: aha, you mean the nonspeced :) I always spec ghoul |
| 12:36.36 | Wobin | yeah, other than unholy spec =P |
| 12:37.20 | Wobin | I've been using them as emergency health boosts when tanking |
| 12:37.37 | Wobin | I'd rather summon and sac straight away while tanking |
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| 12:37.48 | Wobin | but while dpsing, I can keep a closer eye on it |
| 12:37.53 | Wobin | (healthwise) |
| 12:38.02 | Etanol | what spec are you dpsing in? |
| 12:38.29 | mikma | twidget: nice one |
| 12:38.43 | Wobin | blood |
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| 12:39.05 | Wobin | somewhat experimental at the moment, but it's entertaining |
| 12:39.11 | mikma | shower time! wobin come wash my .. back |
| 12:39.12 | Etanol | diseaseless? |
| 12:39.17 | Wobin | some nice self healing + CE |
| 12:39.21 | Wobin | no, with disease |
| 12:39.33 | Wobin | I've not looked into diseaseless |
| 12:39.54 | Wobin | gets a belt sander and installs it into mikma's shower |
| 12:41.10 | Etanol | installInShower("BeltSander", "Mikma's", "UIParent") |
| 12:41.44 | Wobin | hm, anyone know of a free midi to mp3 converter? |
| 12:42.48 | Spellbinder | strokes wacko |
| 12:42.49 | Arrowmaster | why would you want to do that? midi compresses so much better |
| 12:43.08 | nevcairiel | you might have a device that doesnt like midi? :P |
| 12:43.36 | Arrowmaster | whats not to like! |
| 12:43.38 | Lopeppeppy | You may be making a mix CD? |
| 12:43.56 | Wobin | yeah, I'd like to put it on my ipod |
| 12:44.02 | zenzio | MIDIs sometimes sound(ed) different of different devices too |
| 12:44.08 | zenzio | *on |
| 12:44.16 | nevcairiel | they do |
| 12:44.21 | nevcairiel | depending on the sound bank used |
| 12:44.21 | Etanol | Wobin: try MediaCoder |
| 12:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, it's Tuesday, no forums to troll. |
| 12:44.37 | amro | Wobin: did you tank as blood? |
| 12:44.38 | Wobin | ah, thank you |
| 12:44.45 | Wobin | amro: no, I hear we're squishy that way |
| 12:44.50 | Etanol | Wobin: it takes all kinds of formats, only converter you will ever need. Also, light-weight and open-source |
| 12:45.02 | zenzio | whenever I wanted to convert a MIDI, I was lazy and used WinAmp's disk writer plugin, then found some random WAV -> MP3 converter |
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| 12:45.13 | Arrowmaster | i finally watched Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog |
| 12:45.43 | Arrowmaster | i bet foobar2000 can convert midi to mp3 |
| 12:45.49 | amro | Wobin: squishy indeed, but I wonder if the extra health, healing and aggro make up for it |
| 12:45.49 | Arrowmaster | it can convert just about everything else |
| 12:45.59 | Wobin | amro: not with the new deathstrike |
| 12:46.43 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: what did you think of DHSAB? |
| 12:46.55 | Arrowmaster | it was great |
| 12:47.06 | Wobin | I have the Bad Horse ringtone on my phone =) |
| 12:47.52 | zenzio | my coworkers are amused that I use Naj'entus' enrage emote as my message sound |
| 12:47.55 | Lopeppeppy | Pandora just rickrolled me. *sigh* |
| 12:49.09 | Wobin | My Patience Has Run Out? |
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| 12:49.38 | zenzio | Wobin: yup. Die, DIE! |
| 12:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, alestane |
| 12:56.37 | alestane | Gmphlplx. |
| 12:57.02 | zenzio | You said it, Chewie. |
| 12:57.45 | Lopeppeppy | I don't care what you smell, get down there. |
| 13:03.50 | jennicide | how often does the UI element refresh that recieves information from other players |
| 13:04.14 | alestane | Have an example handy? |
| 13:04.24 | jennicide | well example grid |
| 13:04.38 | jennicide | it can show that a player is cursed |
| 13:04.53 | amro | if the player is nearby, it refreshes immediately |
| 13:05.02 | amro | there's a delay for players that are far off, not sure exactl how much |
| 13:05.05 | jennicide | so why hasn't anyone made an addon that essentially tells you if someone else is decursing? |
| 13:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | How would it tell that? |
| 13:05.19 | amro | how would that help? |
| 13:05.22 | jennicide | or casting a heal on that person? |
| 13:05.33 | amro | there are addons that show incoming heals |
| 13:05.33 | Lopeppeppy | Healing there are tons of mods for. |
| 13:05.35 | amro | including grid |
| 13:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | *nod nod* |
| 13:06.34 | jennicide | oh |
| 13:06.35 | jennicide | oops |
| 13:06.44 | Lopeppeppy | 's okay. |
| 13:07.01 | Lopeppeppy | There are a lot of plugins for Grid on the various addon sites, if Grid's the unit frame you prefer. |
| 13:08.02 | jennicide | well, I haven't played since wow vanilla |
| 13:08.18 | jennicide | I am going to make a shaman and I was watching my friends kill of yogg |
| 13:08.29 | jennicide | and their shaman canceled a lot of chain heals midcast |
| 13:08.40 | Lopeppeppy | Some things are vastly different, some things haven't changed. Macros and addons work differently, but there are still tons of nifty things out there. |
| 13:08.45 | jennicide | so I assumed grid didn't tell him the heals were incoming from others |
| 13:09.12 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:09.13 | Lopeppeppy | Grid can tell you that. But it does rely on other people also having the library to broadcast that they are casting... it's kind of cooperative. |
| 13:09.18 | Wobin | cancelling heals is no longer an option =) |
| 13:10.13 | jennicide | what do you mean? |
| 13:10.22 | Lopeppeppy | He's being half-facetious. |
| 13:10.24 | zenzio | I always liked the name of one addon in vanilla WoW, "Forecast" |
| 13:10.29 | Wobin | hehe somewhat =) |
| 13:10.30 | Lopeppeppy | You can cancel heals by moving, same as always. |
| 13:10.58 | Wobin | basically incoming damage can be so high, that even if someone else is healing at the same time, chances are, the tank will need both your heals to stay up |
| 13:11.00 | Lopeppeppy | However, the healing game at high levels has changed dramatically, in that a missed heal can mean a wipe, so that coordination can be important, and it's not usually an option to cancel a heal. |
| 13:11.26 | jennicide | libhealcomm is no longer updated? so every healer on the raid would have to run grid? |
| 13:11.29 | jennicide | or am I missing something |
| 13:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | Not true, jennicide. There are other libs I'm sure. The name may have changed or something. |
| 13:12.00 | jennicide | I am trying to get my UI sorted that way when I level I am use to what I am doing |
| 13:12.07 | Arrowmaster | grid uses libhealcomm afaik |
| 13:12.20 | nevcairiel | LibHealComm is still alive and kicking |
| 13:12.30 | jennicide | yeah, nm |
| 13:12.47 | jennicide | when I searched for it on curse as libhealcomm-3.0 it returned no matches |
| 13:12.50 | nevcairiel | the older versions (HealComm-2.0, LibIncomingHeals) are done for |
| 13:12.59 | jennicide | but libhealcomm sent me to libhealcomm-3.0 ... |
| 13:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | jennicide, I recommend an addon by a friend of mine, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10457-GettingThingsHealed.html, for managing assignments, if it becomes something your group needs. |
| 13:15.12 | jennicide | hum, looks interesting |
| 13:15.20 | jennicide | but more raid leaderish? |
| 13:15.28 | Lopeppeppy | Healer leaderish, yes. |
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| 13:16.02 | Cruciformer | good morning everyone |
| 13:16.11 | mikma | shower, coooooool |
| 13:16.22 | jnwhiteh | morning Cruciformer |
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| 13:17.33 | Cruciformer | I have a dumb lua question if I may. If this safe: for k,v in pairs (sometable) do if (some_condition) then sometable[k]=nil; end; end |
| 13:17.40 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 13:17.49 | Cruciformer | in other words is it safe to delete a table keyw hile itterating with pairs()? |
| 13:17.53 | jnwhiteh | inside an iteration you just cannot assign keys that didn't exist before the iteration |
| 13:18.04 | jnwhiteh | you can always alter the element you are on |
| 13:18.09 | Cruciformer | many thanks |
| 13:18.16 | jnwhiteh | and other elements that already existed |
| 13:18.23 | jnwhiteh | but note that this usually fails |
| 13:18.36 | jnwhiteh | lua> t = {1,2,3}; for k,v in pairs(t) do t.foo = true end |
| 13:18.37 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: No output |
| 13:18.50 | jnwhiteh | just in specific circumstances |
| 13:18.58 | jnwhiteh | in fact, t.foo = nil could cause the same issue |
| 13:19.02 | jnwhiteh | but you'll be fine for what you're doing |
| 13:19.40 | Cruciformer | excelent that makes my life very simple. |
| 13:20.30 | Cruciformer | and I assume that if there were no other references to any of the data in that table that the spae it used then becomes GC'able? |
| 13:20.42 | Cruciformer | s/spae/space/g |
| 13:21.00 | jnwhiteh | well the table won't be resized down |
| 13:21.08 | jnwhiteh | i.e. if you make a table, grow it to 10,000 elements and then clear them all out |
| 13:21.12 | jnwhiteh | the table still has 10,000 slots |
| 13:21.18 | jnwhiteh | but the values, yes would be GC'd |
| 13:22.19 | Cruciformer | so is it best practice then if you had such a table where you may go from 10 000 to 5 members, to re-create a new table with just the 5, set the original to nil and then assign the new table back? Does that free the slots? |
| 13:23.04 | jnwhiteh | yes, but the terminology is a bit off =) |
| 13:23.15 | jnwhiteh | wiping tables is somethign we used to do before incremental garbage collection |
| 13:23.23 | jnwhiteh | and its still good for when we have tight loops with known sizes |
| 13:23.29 | Cruciformer | ya I work with so many langaues its hard to keep the terminology correct sometimes :) |
| 13:23.31 | jnwhiteh | but in general, you should be able to just make a new table |
| 13:23.32 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:23.47 | krka | basically the problem with adding entries in a table loop is that you may skip entries |
| 13:23.57 | krka | or repeat entries |
| 13:24.23 | krka | if you're also deleting entries in the same loop, you can experience this: |
| 13:24.25 | Lopeppeppy | afk sheeple... |
| 13:24.27 | krka | > t={} return next(t, "what") |
| 13:24.32 | krka | lua> t={} return next(t, "what") |
| 13:24.32 | lua_bot | krka: invalid key to 'next' |
| 13:25.36 | Cruciformer | and if I understand things correctly, if I use table.insert() instead of sometabel[index] = value that it will assign slots in teh table in (correct term sequential?) order and not leave any "sparse" slots? |
| 13:25.56 | jnwhiteh | so long as the table was in the right form to begin with, yes |
| 13:26.01 | jnwhiteh | table.insert and table.remove will help maintain it |
| 13:26.46 | Wobin | muttermuttermutter |
| 13:26.52 | Wobin | I'm so procrastinating on writing a gui |
| 13:26.58 | Wobin | I've been putting it off for days =( |
| 13:27.08 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 13:27.33 | mikma | wobin: just copypaste tekkub's code ;) |
| 13:27.39 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 13:27.40 | purl | with penis sized as firehose |
| 13:27.45 | Cruciformer | one final question, and I do appreciate the induylgence of these newbie questions: if I use table.remove() and remove, say element 2, do all the other elements move up, so that if I now reference sometable[2] it will be the slot that used to be sometable[3]? Or does that slot just remain empty somehow? |
| 13:27.57 | Wobin | yes to the former |
| 13:28.11 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: yes, the elements are moved down and renumbered |
| 13:28.27 | jnwhiteh | lua> t = {1,2,3}; table.remove(t, 2); pp(t) |
| 13:28.28 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: { 1, 3 } (#1) |
| 13:28.45 | Cruciformer | yeehah! That will make this suicide kings list management a snap |
| 13:29.27 | krka | there's a good reference manual at lua.org |
| 13:29.40 | jnwhiteh | ~luarefman |
| 13:29.41 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, luarefman is http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 13:29.50 | Wobin | also PiL is a good read |
| 13:29.52 | Wobin | ~pil |
| 13:29.52 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 13:29.58 | Cruciformer | i've read it cover to cover. Its a bit sparse at times. I am sure this was covered but efficacy dictated I ask rather than read. |
| 13:30.14 | jnwhiteh | my book has a good intro in chapters 1-6 |
| 13:30.17 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:30.20 | Wobin | oh yes |
| 13:30.23 | Wobin | That one too =) |
| 13:30.40 | jnwhiteh | its a bit more comprehensive actually |
| 13:31.49 | Cruciformer | i am seriously impressed with lua the more I use it. the next time I have a project that would benefit from scripting I am *SO* going to be using Lua. |
| 13:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 13:31.56 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 13:32.02 | Wobin | agrees with Cruciformer |
| 13:32.06 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 13:32.10 | jnwhiteh | not great for everythign |
| 13:32.12 | jnwhiteh | but lots of things |
| 13:32.19 | Wobin | argh |
| 13:32.21 | jnwhiteh | Lua tables are fantastic |
| 13:32.27 | Wobin | I completely missed reading the change to blade barrier |
| 13:33.14 | Cruciformer | well the last embedded scripting language I used was Tcl and ... well ... its OK but it makes my head hurt. Once I got the basic idea of metatables lua was mostly a snap. |
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| 13:33.46 | Wobin | Cruciformer: hehe you've grasped what I'd say 40% of the addon authors have yet to understand =) |
| 13:34.12 | jnwhiteh | you should have heard the guy 3 years ago who was PISSED that blizzard chose Lua instead of a real language like VisualBasic |
| 13:34.27 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: oh god, that'd've been TERRIBLE |
| 13:34.37 | jnwhiteh | it was a terrible thread |
| 13:34.46 | amro | jnwhiteh: wtb that thread |
| 13:34.51 | amro | wowmatrix ones got boring |
| 13:35.02 | Wobin | Can you imagine KTH Threat Meter in VBasic? |
| 13:35.03 | Cruciformer | of course in the context of WoW its how blizzard used it thats masterful. The gui management stuff is astoundingly good. |
| 13:36.05 | Cruciformer | I cant imagine *any* mod that needs to process tons of combat events in vb. Its just too slow. |
| 13:36.36 | Cruciformer | I wonder (idly, not seriously) how JavaScript would have fared. |
| 13:36.42 | jnwhiteh | terribly |
| 13:36.51 | Cruciformer | even modern ones? |
| 13:36.54 | jnwhiteh | the VM innovations didn't happen until recently |
| 13:37.05 | jnwhiteh | they're still slower than Lua |
| 13:37.16 | jnwhiteh | says the shootout L:P |
| 13:37.28 | Wobin | hm, I need to put Viper Sting back on my hotbar |
| 13:37.29 | Cruciformer | and (shudder) Java itself? |
| 13:37.37 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 13:37.55 | Cruciformer | (assuming a JIT) |
| 13:39.44 | Cruciformer | this is a wow-related question. If I change my realmlist.wtf to point to an eu logon server so I can test my mod today while blizzard is futzing with the US realms, will that corrupt any of my US realm settings? |
| 13:39.57 | jnwhiteh | do you have an EU account? |
| 13:40.08 | Cruciformer | I have access to one yes |
| 13:40.12 | jnwhiteh | you can try.. i think it's still overwriting the realmlist on login |
| 13:40.14 | jnwhiteh | but no it should not. |
| 13:40.17 | jnwhiteh | as long as it works |
| 13:40.24 | Wobin | can we not hop onto the ptr? |
| 13:40.34 | Cruciformer | is the ptr up? |
| 13:40.38 | Cruciformer | that would be even better |
| 13:40.41 | Wobin | I'm not sure, I'm just patching atm =) |
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| 13:41.29 | Cruciformer | doesnt seem to be, its not giving me any servers. |
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| 13:42.33 | amro | it doesn't overwrite anything |
| 13:42.43 | amro | your EU account will have its settings in a separate folder |
| 13:42.44 | Cruciformer | I hope to ($RANDOM_DEITY) they fixed the calendar stuff in this patch. |
| 13:43.14 | Cruciformer | amro: I was concerned about things like "enGB" ending up in the WTF folder instead of enUS etc. |
| 13:43.52 | amro | Cruciformer: no, your locale is unaffected |
| 13:43.56 | jnwhiteh | that stuff only happens on install |
| 13:44.13 | Cruciformer | your channel bot needs to expand $RANDOM_DEITY :) |
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| 13:46.09 | Lopeppeppy | Today is mini-patch Tuesday then? |
| 13:46.26 | Cruciformer | yup its only an 8MB patch |
| 13:47.53 | Cruciformer | I wonder why they removed math.randomseed() ... only thing I can think of is someone may have been able to have used it to generate certain /roll values, if the random value is even calculated on the client? |
| 13:48.10 | Wobin | well of course |
| 13:48.12 | amro | anyone have link to patch notes? |
| 13:48.12 | Wobin | HighRoller! |
| 13:48.24 | Wobin | amro: mmo-champion |
| 13:48.40 | Wobin | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=51107.0 |
| 13:48.42 | amro | Wobin: saw that, that's all there is? |
| 13:48.48 | Wobin | afaik |
| 13:48.52 | amro | thanks |
| 13:49.07 | Cruciformer | highroller? I am guessing a mod that increases your chance of rolling high? |
| 13:49.09 | Wobin | I'll just run the patcher and see |
| 13:49.36 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8583-HighRoller.html |
| 13:49.50 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: it was removed since it could be used to exploit /castrandom |
| 13:50.17 | Wobin | how was that working? |
| 13:50.27 | jnwhiteh | its implemented in Lua, using math.random |
| 13:50.34 | jnwhiteh | on preclick, seed the randomizer so you get the right spell |
| 13:51.19 | Wobin | amro: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10023&sid=1&ST=US-621778-dJHCf2wIccwdcsOUeqpy71V1xmRRo9MafxH&rhtml=true apparently |
| 13:51.44 | Wobin | oh wait, that's just the index |
| 13:51.50 | Wobin | blizzfail on patcher |
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| 13:55.48 | Fisker- | why so blizzfail? |
| 13:56.06 | Trela_ | So they made Death Strike stupid? |
| 13:57.19 | amro | yes |
| 13:57.21 | amro | Wobin: ? |
| 13:57.45 | Wobin | nah, they 'linked' to the 'patch notes' on the patcher |
| 13:57.53 | Wobin | but it just went straight to the bug form index |
| 13:58.08 | jnwhiteh | clearly so you can report the bug with the link on the patch notes |
| 13:58.08 | jnwhiteh | DUH |
| 13:58.09 | Wobin | Trela: yes |
| 13:58.18 | Wobin | Good thing someone's already done it =P |
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| 14:01.51 | Cruciformer | sometimes event driven systems make my teeth itch. I would SO like to be able to do something like answer = frame_with_text_box:Show() or something like that. |
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| 14:03.01 | Aqua | anyone know the link for the "breaking news" page? |
| 14:03.11 | kneeki | Morning all |
| 14:03.24 | Cruciformer | salve kneeki |
| 14:03.39 | kneeki | I need it, I get mad threat |
| 14:03.50 | Cruciformer | heh |
| 14:04.14 | Cruciformer | that was latin for hello. Dunno what it is about your nickname that made me want to use latin :) |
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| 14:04.28 | kneeki | =) |
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| 14:06.37 | Cruciformer | wow even MD5 is quick in lua. tasty. |
| 14:08.10 | Maldivia | Aqua: launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert ? |
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| 14:14.24 | Lopeppeppy | ~alert |
| 14:14.25 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 14:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 14:16.17 | jnwhiteh | ~wowalert |
| 14:16.18 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 14:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, jnwhiteh. You're wicked smart. :) |
| 14:20.06 | jnwhiteh | lulz |
| 14:20.36 | zenzelezz | so, after having been shown Shazam on a mobile phone, I'm rather surprised they don't seem to have a PC version |
| 14:21.03 | zenzelezz | I guess they may just find it less useful in general there |
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| 14:25.47 | Nuckin | 3.1.1 today? |
| 14:25.57 | Cruciformer | aye |
| 14:26.14 | Nuckin | woot |
| 14:26.33 | Nuckin | lets see the subtle parameter changes to blizzard UI functions =P |
| 14:26.41 | alestane | Oh good, the GPL thread has fallen off the front page. Maybe one of these days we will be able to use the UI forum, for, I don't know, maybe TALKING ABOUT UI ISSUES? |
| 14:27.10 | Nuckin | alestane: poppycock, I'm gonna go bump it |
| 14:27.38 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy what now? *weg* |
| 14:28.14 | Cruciformer | clearly you misunderstand the purpose of forums. They are there to provide a soapbox to any random idiot iwth a point of view and they will chose the forum that they think will give them the largest audience. Actual usefulness and sticking to topic is a distant second feature of a forum. |
| 14:28.50 | Nuckin | Cruciformer: second? maybe a third feature. |
| 14:28.59 | Cruciformer | I was being optimistic :) |
| 14:29.22 | Cruciformer | optimist (n): A pessimist without all the facts. |
| 14:29.34 | Nuckin | Cruciformer: well stop that, this is WoW we're talking about |
| 14:29.46 | Cruciformer | my bad =) |
| 14:30.55 | Seerah | I miss the old UI & Macro forums, too :( |
| 14:31.27 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, Seerah. |
| 14:31.30 | alestane | " |
| 14:31.30 | alestane | If you ask for a porcupine, you can't really get pissed off that you didn't get a banana. " |
| 14:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe in a few more weeks. |
| 14:31.39 | Nuckin | Meh, I'd be happy if blizzard just gave us a concise list of API changes like the patch notes |
| 14:31.45 | alestane | This thread is just win. |
| 14:31.55 | Seerah | which? |
| 14:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | You linkies. |
| 14:32.01 | Lopeppeppy | Gief nao!!! |
| 14:32.18 | Nuckin | ::jiberish!:: |
| 14:32.37 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910552&sid=1 |
| 14:32.38 | Lopeppeppy | alestane speaks gibberish, he knows! |
| 14:32.53 | amro | Nuckin: they don't give a concise list of gameplay changes :p |
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| 14:33.12 | Nuckin | amro: true, but it is a PARTIAL list lol |
| 14:33.46 | Nuckin | I just hate the strange runtime errors I get on some patch days where all they did was swap parameter order |
| 14:33.48 | Wobin | It's a great quote =) |
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| 14:35.02 | alestane | Seerah: I think you posted in that thread already. |
| 14:35.22 | Seerah | ohhhhhhh that one! |
| 14:35.57 | Wobin | and yay I can post again |
| 14:36.13 | Wobin | woo I'm glad that thread is over =P |
| 14:36.18 | amro | Antiarc won that thread |
| 14:37.08 | Cruciformer | :'a,.y |
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| 14:38.13 | Wobin | meh, the Blizzard downloader makes my HDD thrash something terrible =( |
| 14:38.21 | Wobin | and it's not even downloading anything, or uploading atm |
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| 14:38.31 | Wobin | (12% to go, naturally) |
| 14:38.37 | Lopeppeppy | Of course. |
| 14:38.52 | alestane | Oh dear gods, and just when the other threads were dying down someone posts a thread about how the policy should require add-ons to use an open-source license. |
| 14:39.01 | Cruciformer | patching into MPQ files ftl |
| 14:39.06 | Wobin | hehe there's that one too |
| 14:39.17 | Wobin | Cruciformer: it's not even patching yet =( |
| 14:39.59 | Cruciformer | well they use bittorrent to download and becuase it can get chunks from anywhere in teh file it can trash drives sometimes. |
| 14:40.16 | Cruciformer | *thrash |
| 14:40.27 | Nuckin | alestane |
| 14:40.34 | Nuckin | that thread is Q-tastic |
| 14:40.57 | Cruciformer | striped velociraptors on an adaptec raid card ftw :) |
| 14:42.04 | amro | alestane: someone has to keep the juicy posts coming |
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| 14:42.53 | Cruciformer | god I hope blizzard doesnt get into the "thou shalt use XYZ license" game. thats religion right there. |
| 14:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing to date indicates they would, Cruciformer. |
| 14:43.39 | Cruciformer | good. |
| 14:43.53 | Cruciformer | coz Im an atheist=) |
| 14:44.02 | krka | then you'll burn in hell! |
| 14:44.18 | Cruciformer | you assume I am not already there |
| 14:44.30 | amro | looks around |
| 14:44.31 | krka | they get internet there? |
| 14:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | We all float down here? |
| 14:44.33 | amro | I don't see you at least |
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| 14:45.13 | Nuckin | Cruciformer: you're afraid blizzard will impose a rule stating all addons must be of a certain license? |
| 14:45.19 | Cruciformer | u kidding? lucifer invented the internet. How else can he so effectively distribute hawtdonkypr0n to harvest more souls? |
| 14:45.31 | alestane | While I can see the vague possibility that they could decide that add-ons needed to include a license file in order to load, I don't believe it would require agreement to anything other than the policy they have now, honestly. And the only reason I think it's possible is because one of the concerns is that Blizzard currently has no actual agreement with add-on authors...this would allow them to formalize the relationship. But I don't |
| 14:45.39 | Lopeppeppy | All art brings you nearer to the divine, Cruciformer. |
| 14:46.04 | Cruciformer | ok I chuckled a bit at teh implication that hawtdonkeypr0n is art :) |
| 14:46.25 | mikma | oh lord |
| 14:46.35 | mikma | that homoHair Framework <3 <3 <3 |
| 14:46.37 | krka | the policy could be considered an agreement i think, since they may take legal actions for breaking the policy |
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| 14:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie... the internet lawyering giveth me a headache, I declare it not to be art. I'm gonna go do something else for a while, and come back when the channel isn't hell. :) |
| 14:47.27 | Wobin | ararararar blizzard downloader |
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| 14:47.34 | Wobin | in the last 15min I have downloaded nothing |
| 14:47.46 | Wobin | despite the number of 100% seeders |
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| 14:47.56 | alestane | Router issues? |
| 14:48.10 | Wobin | I don't think so. I got the majority of the patch fine |
| 14:48.22 | mikma | wobin: YOU have router issues, not your internet! |
| 14:48.23 | Cruciformer | mikma: google homohair framework = 0 results. |
| 14:48.24 | Wobin | I've also uploaded twice the size of the patch already |
| 14:48.42 | mikma | cruciformer: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910552&sid=1 <- 1 result found. |
| 14:48.44 | Wobin | mikma: Your mother has router issues |
| 14:48.51 | mikma | wobin: yo mamma |
| 14:49.31 | kneeki | GRRRR! |
| 14:49.37 | kneeki | ~kick photoshop |
| 14:49.37 | purl | ACTION kicks photoshop |
| 14:50.05 | kneeki | I sure wish I could put a guide in the middle of my photoshop doc, but noooo it wont snap to it |
| 14:50.08 | kneeki | frigging POS |
| 14:52.29 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:52.32 | Wobin | "Name one person who's actually heard of "Omen" or "Ace." The OP is talking about *real* authors. " |
| 14:52.43 | Wobin | See? Sarcasm -can- be conveyed over the interwebs! |
| 14:53.02 | mikma | wobin: yo mamma had sarcasm when she planned you! |
| 14:53.16 | Wobin | mikma, I'm afraid that made no sense at all. |
| 14:53.18 | Wobin | ~fail mikma |
| 14:53.19 | purl | You suck at everything in life, mikma. I hate you because you fail. |
| 14:53.22 | mikma | i know, that's the funny part |
| 14:53.32 | Wobin | this is not Garfield minus Garfield =P |
| 14:53.44 | krka | mikma: that's a funny thread |
| 14:53.45 | mikma | Wobin minus Wobin! that means... |
| 14:53.54 | mikma | krka: homoHair Framework <3 |
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| 14:56.57 | mikma | wobin: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1219/20090420.gif |
| 14:59.36 | krka | ok, kokolums is a complete idiot |
| 14:59.44 | mikma | oh really? |
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| 15:00.52 | mikma | krka: have you seen this one too? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22340 |
| 15:01.24 | mikma | hahaha, it's the only post there with 5 stars |
| 15:01.33 | mikma | it's the only post with stars, at all :D |
| 15:01.50 | mikma | (at page 1!) |
| 15:01.51 | Seerah | people don't rate threads very often |
| 15:02.04 | mikma | when they do, they are pure epic |
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| 15:03.42 | Nuckin | mikma: that thread maybe me hit my head against the wall atleast 20 times |
| 15:04.03 | mikma | nuckin: headbanger! |
| 15:04.53 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb1fhJ3LUzQ |
| 15:04.55 | mikma | yeah, clever stuff |
| 15:05.01 | mikma | hope he'll puke when he's done |
| 15:05.28 | Cruciformer | bbl |
| 15:06.22 | Nuckin | I'm hungry, I need some mana biscuits |
| 15:06.35 | Wobin | rrrrr |
| 15:06.46 | Wobin | I've uploaded 50M of a 33M patch |
| 15:06.54 | Wobin | and I still have not got the last 5M |
| 15:07.04 | Wobin | and have not receieved -anything- in the last hour |
| 15:07.08 | Wobin | worst downloader ever |
| 15:07.42 | Nuckin | Wobin: for 3.1.1? |
| 15:07.49 | Wobin | for the ptr |
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| 15:08.04 | Nuckin | Wobin: whats on the PTR? |
| 15:08.11 | Wobin | nothing new |
| 15:08.15 | Wobin | I just wat it patched |
| 15:09.07 | Wobin | also, cause it's making my HDD thrash |
| 15:09.11 | Wobin | and the noise is irritating =P |
| 15:11.50 | mikma | wobin: i've noticed the same |
| 15:12.05 | mikma | i even have my HDD suspended in the air, but it's still exploding it |
| 15:13.08 | p3lim | hm is tehre any way to remove the name brackets in the chat window? |
| 15:13.22 | mikma | by hooking the chat |
| 15:13.28 | p3lim | using a modified version of oChat, but Im not very familiar with gsub etc |
| 15:14.10 | mikma | ain't this a perfect time to learn then! |
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| 15:17.05 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:17.44 | mikma | unkle |
| 15:18.53 | p3lim | mikma: got nowhere to start |
| 15:19.28 | mikma | here's a start: local string = "[FictionalCharactername]: lol u suck p3nis" |
| 15:20.10 | Lunessa | sup, mikma? |
| 15:20.22 | mikma | lunessa: nothing much, you? |
| 15:20.45 | Wobin | are there ptr patch download links somewhere? |
| 15:20.48 | Lunessa | taking the day off. Pulled a muscle in my lower back and hiop. Hurts to walk. |
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| 15:20.50 | Wobin | this is driving me insane |
| 15:20.55 | Wobin | Lunessa: =( |
| 15:21.32 | Seerah | Lunessa: I can't figure out what's interfering with the calendar... Tried 3 different methods of opening the calendar from PP and it wouldn't close with escape. But if you open with with /calendar it closes with escape just fine |
| 15:21.33 | Seerah | >< |
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| 15:21.56 | AckisWork | trolls Seerah |
| 15:22.01 | Seerah | :P |
| 15:22.16 | jnwhiteh | FOR FUCKS SAKE |
| 15:22.19 | Lunessa | Seerah: >.< Sowwy. I just reports 'em as I finds em. :( |
| 15:22.20 | jnwhiteh | screams |
| 15:22.26 | Seerah | Lunessa: I know :) |
| 15:22.30 | Seerah | jnwhiteh: what? |
| 15:22.34 | AckisWork | trolls jnwhiteh |
| 15:22.38 | jnwhiteh | Does anyone have a blanket response to the "PLEASE CHANGE YOUR LICENSE SO I CAN WOWMATRIX" |
| 15:22.40 | jnwhiteh | like a serious one |
| 15:22.44 | jnwhiteh | that we can post in response |
| 15:22.48 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: NO U |
| 15:22.50 | jnwhiteh | so I don't have to fucking type it. |
| 15:23.00 | Seerah | just say "no" :) |
| 15:23.12 | mikma | lol, seerah has one apparently |
| 15:23.14 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8512-AckisRecipeList.html#comments last comment is what I'm using |
| 15:23.18 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: The answer is: "No. My license is to protect my rights, not WoWMatrix's." |
| 15:23.21 | mikma | "PLEASE CHANGE YOUR LICENSE SO I CAN WOWMATRIX" -> "No." |
| 15:23.22 | Wobin | rofl |
| 15:23.31 | Wobin | I just downloaded the ptr patch in 3 seconds =( |
| 15:23.36 | jnwhiteh | let me generecise it |
| 15:23.47 | Wobin | never ever using the blizzard downloader ever again =( |
| 15:24.11 | amro | REQUEST DENIED |
| 15:24.49 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: aye mine are "personal" so to speak, but I think it provides a valid reason against it |
| 15:25.45 | mikma | how did WM change QH code? |
| 15:26.31 | AckisWork | mikma: they changes a boolean value in the code to disable the donation messages |
| 15:26.49 | mikma | that's cool! .. ;) |
| 15:27.07 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: also this may be of interest for you: http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/polls/are-you-sad-that-arl-will-not-be-on-wow-matrix/?results (ARL = ackis recipe list) |
| 15:27.23 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 15:27.30 | amro | mikma: they were just enforcing the UI policy ahead of time! |
| 15:27.47 | mikma | exactly.. heh, heh, heh... D'OH! |
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| 15:28.10 | p3lim | ha-HA |
| 15:28.15 | mikma | read like: (mr burns -> homer) |
| 15:28.24 | p3lim | gsub('|h%[(.+)%]|h', '|h%1|h') |
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| 15:29.45 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: voted |
| 15:29.59 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: you called me a douche didn't you |
| 15:30.00 | Lunessa | Seerah: How about changing your "click the minimap to oepn the calendar" feature to just use macrotext for /calendar? (Note, I haven't looked at your code). |
| 15:30.09 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: sure did |
| 15:30.20 | AckisWork | :P |
| 15:31.07 | mikma | ackiswork: you're missing option |
| 15:31.14 | mikma | "i don't care and you're still a douche" |
| 15:31.27 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 15:31.34 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:31.42 | AckisWork | morning Kaelten |
| 15:32.23 | Seerah | Lunessa: the minimap isn't a button |
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| 15:32.38 | Lunessa | Seerah, but it COULD BE! :) |
| 15:32.43 | Seerah | heh |
| 15:32.53 | Fisker- | does some Kaelten harassment |
| 15:32.56 | Fisker- | great micro! |
| 15:33.38 | Lunessa | Seerah: Actually, adding it to the Zone Text Button might be sufficient. |
| 15:34.10 | Seerah | perhaps... I'll think about it. I knew I didn't want to add it to the clock button because people might have that disabled |
| 15:34.20 | amro | AckisWork: I'm going to register, just for that last option |
| 15:34.30 | AckisWork | :O |
| 15:35.25 | amro | I was hoping for a "No, but you're still a douche option" ;P |
| 15:35.54 | AckisWork | that'll be the next poll. |
| 15:36.03 | Lunessa | Seerah: It's your addon, do as thou wilt. I'm just offering ideas. *huggles* It does pretty much everything I need and is lightweight. I <3 it just the same. |
| 15:36.14 | amro | AckisWork: <3 |
| 15:36.15 | kluge | i hate this part right here |
| 15:36.21 | Seerah | :) |
| 15:36.23 | Nuckin | is there any programming resource with the Events categorically organized? |
| 15:36.44 | Lunessa | ~wowprogramming |
| 15:36.45 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 15:36.47 | amro | Nuckin: wowwiki iirc |
| 15:37.22 | Nuckin | Those are both alphabetically organized |
| 15:37.48 | AckisWork | wowwiki has them by category too |
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| 15:38.06 | amro | there are two different listings on wowwiki I think |
| 15:38.46 | mikma | question is, what kind of category do you have in mind? |
| 15:39.59 | Nuckin | I was thinking like "Casting Events", "Energy Events", "Chat Events" |
| 15:40.18 | mikma | you know what.. |
| 15:40.23 | mikma | DevTools has a nice listing ingame |
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| 15:40.42 | jnwhiteh | Nuckin: i'll add category tags to the next version on wowprogramming |
| 15:40.48 | jnwhiteh | revamp should be done in a month or so |
| 15:41.05 | mikma | revampire! suck you your blooooooood! |
| 15:41.08 | Nuckin | jnwhiteh: you one of the authors? |
| 15:41.15 | jnwhiteh | i am |
| 15:41.19 | mikma | you are? |
| 15:41.32 | Nuckin | jnwhiteh: that's cool, I have your book on my shelf |
| 15:41.35 | durcyn | jnwhiteh == cladhaire |
| 15:41.42 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 15:41.51 | mikma | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons |
| 15:41.52 | mikma | By James Whitehead II, Bryan McLemore, Matthew Orlando |
| 15:41.59 | AckisWork | Nuckin: on your shelf? sheesh I have it holding up my couch! :P |
| 15:42.01 | mikma | <@jnwhiteh> |
| 15:42.09 | mikma | should give a small hint hehe ^^ |
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| 15:42.23 | nicoli_s | jnwhiteh is mathew orlando!??!?! |
| 15:42.28 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:42.30 | Nuckin | AckisWork: hahahaha |
| 15:42.53 | mikma | ackiswork: you mean, balancing the livingroom table? or bookshelf? |
| 15:43.35 | AckisWork | :P |
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| 15:44.55 | Nuckin | jnwhiteh: are you releasing a version of the book updated for 3.x? |
| 15:45.27 | AbsolutRayne | Morning |
| 15:45.30 | jnwhiteh | i'm writing one of the appendecies right now. |
| 15:45.33 | jnwhiteh | spelled correctly, of course. |
| 15:46.23 | Nuckin | jnwhiteh: thats what spell check is for |
| 15:46.34 | jnwhiteh | meh aspell |
| 15:46.34 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 15:46.36 | mikma | ~spell appendecies |
| 15:47.11 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Wait, don't we remove the appendix as a useless, remnant organ that is prone to infection? (I kid, I kid!) |
| 15:47.33 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: did you know the Canadian dictionary for aspell is just call ehspell |
| 15:49.03 | Nuckin | jnwhiteh: 1 comment I have about the book, when I was trying to figure out how to make cooldown layers a while back, the book very briefly glanced over them, a little too brief imo |
| 15:49.37 | jnwhiteh | they've changed, as well |
| 15:49.51 | jnwhiteh | which certainly doesn't help |
| 15:50.02 | jnwhiteh | but we won't be covered it in any more depth, otherwise we'd never get the book out |
| 15:50.05 | jnwhiteh | there's too much to cover |
| 15:50.19 | jnwhiteh | but hopefully we show you enough to look at the templates yourself and try to figure it out, or ask for help |
| 15:50.28 | mikma | <joke> but the cover is already there, and it's awesome </joke> |
| 15:50.56 | Nuckin | jnwhiteh: I understand =P |
| 15:51.12 | durcyn | Lunessa: http://www.dukemednews.org/news/article.php?id=10151 |
| 15:51.42 | Lunessa | durcyn: :P |
| 15:52.03 | Lunessa | Note that still have my appendix. |
| 15:53.12 | AckisWork | my God I'm ADDing today... start something, 30 seconds later something else... not getting anything done |
| 15:53.24 | kneeki | http://nextround.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/prom_phantommenace1.jpg |
| 15:53.27 | kneeki | ^ wow!! |
| 15:54.13 | Nuckin | AckisWork: not surprised after that matrix thread |
| 15:54.22 | AbsolutRayne | kneeki: Did he choke her out shortly after? |
| 15:55.04 | mikma | kneeki: awww, you masked yourself as padme :D how cute |
| 15:55.05 | kneeki | haha |
| 15:55.26 | kneeki | I think th ey look pretty good, if they were going to a convention. Not to a prom! |
| 15:56.31 | AckisWork | Nuckin: that wowmatrix thread was pure win |
| 15:56.55 | nicoli_s | they all are |
| 15:57.11 | Nuckin | AckisWork: it was, I LOLed :) |
| 15:58.21 | alestane | Well, the AAA guy says my alternator is okay. So I have to go get a new battery after all, but at least my alternator is okay. Be back later. |
| 15:58.40 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: no mine was really really good :P |
| 15:59.07 | nicoli_s | link? |
| 15:59.07 | AckisWork | nicoli_s: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22590 |
| 15:59.30 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:59.34 | kneeki | AckisWork: Gofgofgofgof |
| 16:05.43 | nicoli_s | when is 3.1.1 supposed to go live? |
| 16:05.50 | nicoli_s | or is it already live |
| 16:05.54 | durcyn | uh, today? |
| 16:06.45 | AckisWork | hey jnwhiteh tomtom doesn't work in 3.1.1 or so I hear... *hides* |
| 16:06.56 | jnwhiteh | boy |
| 16:06.58 | jnwhiteh | i am gonna stab you |
| 16:07.42 | AckisWork | eeeeeeeeekssss |
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| 16:17.00 | aesir | ackis stop trolling poor homeless (well, realmless) cladhaire. TomTom works perfectly - and if you give him a chance he'll be sure to let you know that. In fact, he'll tell you that even if you don't give him a chance. |
| 16:17.13 | aesir | ducks |
| 16:17.18 | jnwhiteh | i'm just ignoring him :P |
| 16:17.24 | Maldivia | hmm, cute - typo in the patch sequence file, so the launcher can't find the patch :) |
| 16:19.00 | Lunessa | All I can say is 1) ZOMG there's a spanking smilely with exposed ass and 2) cairenn used it! |
| 16:19.25 | aesir | 2 isn't surprising to me. I'm not sure why that is. |
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| 16:22.48 | Wobin | hum |
| 16:23.15 | Wobin | afaiunderstand... the GPL doesn't prevent people from profiting from a fork, but it just makes them have to use the GPL to allow anyone to fork it. |
| 16:23.16 | Wobin | right? |
| 16:23.37 | Wobin | (by which I mean their fork) |
| 16:23.42 | Lunessa | Close enough. |
| 16:24.02 | zenzelezz | haven't plenty of distributions profited by forking existing distributions, and so on? |
| 16:24.03 | Lunessa | And they still have to pony up the source. |
| 16:24.17 | Wobin | So Featalene is a bit misguided in her understanding... |
| 16:24.33 | zenzelezz | that's not an uncommon thing when it comes to the GPL |
| 16:25.57 | Wobin | It's a strange and confusing thing |
| 16:26.08 | Lunessa | The way to understand the GPL is to read the GPL. You should also have a good grasp of what copyright law means (not good as in can litigate it, but good as in educated layman). |
| 16:26.10 | Wobin | and people tend to believe what they read of it, without actually reading it |
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| 16:27.05 | amro | Featalene is either trolling or clueless about the GPL |
| 16:27.15 | Wobin | likely the latter |
| 16:27.17 | Hirsute | Is anyone in here among those who had in the past tried to get WoWMatrix to delist their addons and had difficulty with it? |
| 16:27.25 | Wobin | I didn't have to |
| 16:27.30 | Wobin | unless they're listing it internally now |
| 16:27.38 | Wobin | I was going to, but never got around to it |
| 16:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | I bet the former! |
| 16:27.52 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: I thought you were the optomistic one =P |
| 16:27.53 | zenzelezz | people read the GPL the same way they read EULAs |
| 16:27.59 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 16:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | with disdain? |
| 16:28.22 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: looking for the "get me out" button |
| 16:28.25 | Lopeppeppy | With a bag of freetos and getting a good laugh. |
| 16:28.32 | Wobin | With the attitude of "IANAL But It Can't Be That Bad, Eh?" |
| 16:28.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i like my answer better |
| 16:29.03 | zenzelezz | what Wobin said |
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| 16:29.03 | Wobin | (The Eh, is if you're Canadian) |
| 16:29.11 | zenzelezz | "I have rights, man! I watched LA LAW, you can't touch me" |
| 16:29.33 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: No, by scrolling down to the "Accept" button. |
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| 16:30.11 | Hirsute | ^^^ |
| 16:30.32 | zenzelezz | I once saw a screenshot of some installer that apparently checked how long the EULA had been displayed when the "Accept" button was clicked. "Are you sure you want to agree after 3 seconds?" |
| 16:30.54 | Hirsute | Hey Lunessa, I just finished sitting through a lecture on Labor and Delivery. The lecturer kept using the word "Station" to describe one aspect of the position of a child during deliver. It made me think of you. |
| 16:30.56 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 16:31.13 | AckisWork | ~wownpc 33583 |
| 16:31.14 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=33583 http://www.wowdb.com/npc.aspx?id=33583 |
| 16:31.20 | zenzelezz | Hirsute: that must have been disturbing |
| 16:31.27 | Lunessa | Hirsute: I only want to be involved in one portion of the whole child-birth process. |
| 16:31.30 | amro | zenzelezz: that is epic |
| 16:31.54 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 16:31.58 | Wobin | AckisWork: that npc doesn't actually offer anything new, does it? |
| 16:32.32 | Hirsute | It was just funny. Every time I heard "Station" I kept wanting to turn around and see if Lunessa had just entered the room. |
| 16:32.41 | Lunessa | Haha! |
| 16:33.01 | zenzelezz | I'm relieved to hear that's where you wanted to check |
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| 16:34.04 | zenzelezz | that actually reminds me of Black and White... apparently the game had a collection sound files for common (English) names, and if you used one of them as your name in the game, it'd whisper it occasionally |
| 16:34.15 | Lunessa | Time for DMCA take-down letters? http://addon.hotwow.com/ |
| 16:34.17 | zenzelezz | "Aaaalex" |
| 16:34.18 | Wobin | hehe that was creepy |
| 16:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy, Lunessa. |
| 16:34.51 | Wobin | hehe |
| 16:34.51 | Lunessa | If you want my body, and you think I'm sexy... |
| 16:34.51 | Wobin | http://addon.hotwow.com/SimpleBuffBars.rar |
| 16:35.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, look Ackis, they have your stuff! |
| 16:35.07 | Wobin | That looks like a 404 to me =P |
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| 16:35.36 | jnwhiteh | Kaelten: when did we write libstub? |
| 16:36.18 | Antiarc | I'm v. tempted to put up an "Addon users bill of rights" which is just a blank post. Someone convince me not to. >_> |
| 16:36.30 | Wobin | hm, it doesn't actually have many addons on there |
| 16:37.08 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: haha :P |
| 16:37.09 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: do eeet |
| 16:37.12 | jnwhiteh | i want you to |
| 16:37.50 | aesir | You'll need to put in something like [THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK] or the target audience may not get it. |
| 16:38.31 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: the first svn checkin was on august 24th, 2007 |
| 16:38.36 | nevcairiel | regarding libstub |
| 16:38.37 | jnwhiteh | perfect |
| 16:38.47 | Antiarc | Oh, I like that. |
| 16:38.50 | Wobin | what are you proving? =) |
| 16:39.05 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: huh? |
| 16:39.06 | Antiarc | That users don't have any damned rights on my hobbyist work. :P |
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| 16:39.14 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: it went 1.0 on first of september |
| 16:39.15 | Wobin | well not you, Clad =P |
| 16:39.19 | amro | Antiarc++ |
| 16:39.26 | Wobin | you need the tilde |
| 16:39.31 | Wobin | ~Antiarc++ |
| 16:39.34 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: not proving anything |
| 16:39.43 | jnwhiteh | just writing about it in the second edition |
| 16:39.44 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, [12:34] Lunessa: Time for DMCA take-down letters? http://addon.hotwow.com/ |
| 16:39.52 | AckisWork | ... |
| 16:40.32 | AckisWork | I quit |
| 16:40.32 | AckisWork | :P |
| 16:40.45 | kluge | i think its nice blizz said nobody can sell addons. |
| 16:41.01 | kluge | it shouldnt be a cmopetition about who can afford the most software. |
| 16:41.04 | Trela_ | The funny part is, people can legally sell AddOns if they wish to. |
| 16:41.08 | Antiarc | what? |
| 16:41.08 | kluge | and that could get absurd. |
| 16:41.10 | kluge | they can? |
| 16:41.16 | Antiarc | That's a terrible argument. |
| 16:41.25 | Antiarc | The barrier to entry in the WoW addon market is nil |
| 16:41.25 | AckisWork | changes his license to "if you host this without my permission, you are stating that you do not like: white, black, yellow, orange, red, green, and violet people. Racist." |
| 16:41.30 | ckknight | Antiarc: do it. |
| 16:41.31 | Antiarc | If you can't afford an addon you can write your own |
| 16:41.40 | kluge | some ppl cant afford that amount of time. |
| 16:41.41 | Trela_ | Yes, there are many legal cases out lining that it is legal to sell third party additions/"Add Ons". |
| 16:41.46 | kluge | u could say the same about gold farming.. |
| 16:41.49 | Antiarc | If I do it I need you all to immediately support me so I don't look too much like a giant flaming ass >_> |
| 16:41.54 | kluge | 'u can just farm your own' |
| 16:42.00 | foxlit | kluge: You could say the same thing about gear |
| 16:42.02 | foxlit | I demand free epics! |
| 16:42.09 | Antiarc | You could say the same thing about internet |
| 16:42.12 | Antiarc | I demand free bandwidth! |
| 16:42.19 | kluge | well no because ppl who want to play wow sign up to play wow |
| 16:42.22 | kluge | not to write addons |
| 16:42.24 | kluge | or buy them |
| 16:42.26 | jnwhiteh | I WANT MY WOWMATRIX |
| 16:42.27 | kluge | just to get epics |
| 16:42.35 | Antiarc | I'M ENTITLED |
| 16:42.36 | Antiarc | I'M ENTITLED |
| 16:42.40 | nevcairiel | Trela_: well they'll just ban your addons if you insist on selling them, and your profit is gone too |
| 16:42.43 | kluge | just saying what i think. im not worried about wowmatrix. |
| 16:42.44 | Antiarc | brb making thread now. |
| 16:42.52 | aesir | ok so everyone, after Antiarc posts that blank Bill o' Rights post, just ignore it and DO NOT respon.... oh, hehe *nervous* I didn't see you there, Antiarc. When did you get in? |
| 16:42.57 | kluge | i just think there would be a lot of room to just 'buy' you skillz. |
| 16:42.58 | Trela_ | nevcairiel: Law suit time then. :D I am crazy enough that I would. |
| 16:43.04 | kluge | obviously there is. people do it already. |
| 16:43.12 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473610998&postId=164719785389&sid=1#0 |
| 16:43.18 | kluge | addons can just give more potential for people to do that. like gold farming. |
| 16:43.29 | nevcairiel | You want to sue them for them using their right to ban individual addons like they always could based on their TOS/TOU? |
| 16:43.53 | Antiarc | They can ban addons from their platform. They're within their full legal rights to do so. |
| 16:44.09 | kluge | i just think banning paid addons is a good limit. |
| 16:44.17 | kluge | that way your not BETTER at wow because you PAID more. |
| 16:44.18 | Antiarc | You all need to respond to my thread now. >_> |
| 16:44.18 | Lopeppeppy | I think they should ban all addons, honestly. |
| 16:44.33 | foxlit | Remove all restrictions on the scripting environment |
| 16:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | And ban all antiarcs! |
| 16:44.42 | foxlit | Then ban you from using any addons you didn't write. |
| 16:44.42 | Antiarc | :( |
| 16:44.43 | foxlit | Whee! |
| 16:44.51 | Antiarc | I'm in favor of a no-distribution policy |
| 16:44.56 | Antiarc | If you want an addon you have to write it yourself |
| 16:45.01 | Antiarc | That way everyone has to invest equal time in their UI |
| 16:45.02 | nevcairiel | haha that would be awesome |
| 16:45.05 | Antiarc | Everything is perfectly fair. |
| 16:45.10 | kluge | actually i think it would be nice if there was realms with different rules. but yah right. imagine a realm with 90-100% simalucrums.. would be so awesome to watch. |
| 16:45.21 | kluge | but since that would be cheating |
| 16:45.36 | kluge | like buying gold or letting addons do ur playing for u. |
| 16:45.38 | kluge | u cant |
| 16:45.57 | Trela_ | There was a good post about this subject on the forums. In the past you could only use AT&T approved telephones on AT&T networks.(Way in the past, grandparents old.) Along comes another company that sells "AddOns", phones and other devices that AT&T did not approve. AT&T sued, lost because of their lock in/monopoly.(More~) |
| 16:46.54 | kluge | far our question. does anyone think WoW itsself has the potential to become the premier virtual reality environment of the first half of the 21st century? |
| 16:46.56 | kluge | i do. |
| 16:46.58 | kluge | it could happen. |
| 16:47.02 | Trela_ | The difference here is Blizzard does not sell AddOns, but puts them directly into the game as patches for free. There is a lock in/monopoly type thing going on, but explaining all of that in court to a judge who is an idiot is what requires the billion dollar lawyers. |
| 16:47.09 | kluge | our = out |
| 16:47.29 | Antiarc | No, I really don't |
| 16:47.42 | Antiarc | WoW is a game, not a "virtual reality realm". It's limited in function and scope, which is what makes it great. |
| 16:47.50 | Trela_ | Basically we all get fucked over in the end because Blizzard says so and no one could afford to properly take them down. |
| 16:48.08 | kluge | antiarc i think its nature as a game is what gives it potential because it has a balance of forces. |
| 16:48.13 | Lunessa | slathers on the lube. |
| 16:48.16 | kluge | where second life is just stupid and boring. |
| 16:48.28 | amro | many people would argue that WoW is stupid and boring |
| 16:48.35 | kluge | tru nuf |
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| 16:49.51 | Trela_ | I am really curious how Blizzard will actually block "bad AddOns". If it is how I believe, simply renaming the AddOn will defeat their blocks. |
| 16:50.04 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 16:50.11 | kluge | probbaly the same way they block glider? |
| 16:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: they have a BannedAddOns.dbc which has a fair bit of detail |
| 16:50.17 | JackBurton7676 | hi loth |
| 16:50.18 | Antiarc | Uhm. |
| 16:50.19 | Trela_ | Hello Lothaer. |
| 16:50.19 | kluge | by doing process scans using warden? |
| 16:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | kluge: glider is not an addon |
| 16:50.23 | kluge | oh ok |
| 16:50.25 | kluge | thats true |
| 16:50.27 | durcyn | kluge: not at all. there's a 'banned addons' blacklist |
| 16:50.30 | Trela_ | kluge: You mean unreliably? :P |
| 16:50.32 | Lothaer | whats new in the mod business? |
| 16:50.32 | Antiarc | kluge: Are you just making stuff up as you go? Because they're nowhere near the same thing. |
| 16:50.33 | kluge | lol |
| 16:50.41 | Antiarc | Lothaer: OPEN SOURCE LICENSES FOR ALL! |
| 16:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 16:50.45 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:50.53 | foxlit | licenses Antiarc under MIT |
| 16:50.56 | kluge | antiarc, mostly yes. |
| 16:51.08 | Trela_ | ScytheBlade1: Is that in a MPQ file? |
| 16:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: yes |
| 16:51.16 | Antiarc | foxlit: Your mom's licensed under MIT. |
| 16:51.17 | Lunessa | Sign ze papers, old man. Ve haff vays of makink you sign ze papers! |
| 16:51.22 | Trela_ | I need to find this and see if I am in it! |
| 16:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... what addon did you write? |
| 16:51.34 | Trela_ | flagRSP2 |
| 16:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | There are 8 entries in there |
| 16:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly they are I have no idea |
| 16:52.08 | Antiarc | Is it encrypted?> |
| 16:52.08 | aesir | pastey it up? unless it's short. I"m curious now. |
| 16:52.12 | Trela_ | Do you have a copy of it handy I could be sent? |
| 16:52.14 | foxlit | any sort of code filtering operation would be futile |
| 16:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Er |
| 16:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a binary file |
| 16:52.21 | Trela_ | Pastey, I agree. :D |
| 16:52.33 | Trela_ | Poo. |
| 16:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | and no I don't have a copy on me |
| 16:52.39 | Lothaer | i believe my mod is by far the best mod ever |
| 16:52.47 | aesir | Oh nevermind then. I"ve never opened a binary in a hex editor. I don't know what to do with all those things in there. |
| 16:52.58 | aesir | Oh, wait. Yes, I do. Sure if it's not a huge file. |
| 16:53.07 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9979-ComeHere.html |
| 16:53.12 | Lunessa | ... read the plain-text on the right hand side. |
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| 16:53.51 | kluge | /agree lothaer |
| 16:54.01 | Lothaer | lol |
| 16:54.09 | Trela_ | COME HERE! |
| 16:54.23 | Aelobin | any Blood DK players here? :P |
| 16:54.28 | Lothaer | yup there are others out there that do alot more than mine but mine was the 1st :D |
| 16:54.30 | Trela_ | Me. |
| 16:54.33 | Lothaer | im a blood DK player |
| 16:54.36 | kluge | aelobin i have 1 but hes low level lol |
| 16:54.36 | Lothaer | Blood Tank TBH |
| 16:55.06 | Aelobin | ok i got a couple of talent questions |
| 16:55.14 | Aelobin | does Abomination's Might work on the DK as well as the party? |
| 16:55.19 | amro | Lothaer: how's it working out? |
| 16:55.29 | Wobin | amro: Nice smoking gun |
| 16:55.34 | Lothaer | very well i MT 25man OS last night |
| 16:55.38 | Wobin | Aelobin: I blood dps a bit |
| 16:55.46 | Lothaer | since then i have made some djustments |
| 16:55.50 | Wobin | Aelobin: yes |
| 16:55.52 | Lothaer | adjustments* |
| 16:55.55 | Aelobin | ok cool |
| 16:56.10 | Lothaer | havnt done ulda yet i got my PS3 last week been playing MGS4 like a man possesed |
| 16:56.10 | Wobin | Although, that's just I've -seen- the buff on me |
| 16:56.11 | Aelobin | can you use Death Runes for rune tapping? |
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| 16:56.18 | Lothaer | you got any Qs? |
| 16:56.23 | Lothaer | yes |
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| 16:56.32 | Wobin | Aelobin: yes |
| 16:56.37 | Aelobin | ^^ |
| 16:56.38 | Lothaer | RT just uses a blood rune |
| 16:56.39 | Wobin | cause Death runes count as any of the three |
| 16:56.46 | Trela_ | Yes since Death counts as all three. |
| 16:56.52 | Lothaer | and Death Runes can be used as any rune |
| 16:57.45 | Lothaer | i have done some research and i think im gonna stay this spec http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Lothaer&gn=Feast+of+Souls |
| 16:58.23 | Nuckin | anyone know a good BLP file editor? |
| 16:58.29 | Adys | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Bulletproof-JavaScript-Detection.aspx |
| 16:58.34 | Lothaer | png2blp |
| 16:58.46 | Lothaer | i think its still at wowi :D |
| 16:58.57 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6127-BLP2PNG.html |
| 16:58.58 | amro | Lothaer: I think IRT ends up being far more useful than WoTN considering the cooldown |
| 16:59.08 | kluge | hysteria sucks |
| 16:59.12 | Antiarc | Adys: ....hahahaha. |
| 16:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | Question: Can anyone else log into the account management page for WoW? I am getting an Apache error. |
| 16:59.46 | Lothaer | yeah any blood tank that has Hysteria dosnt know wtf they are doing imo |
| 16:59.51 | Trela_ | ScytheBlade1: Do you know which MPQ it was in? Been unsuccessful far finding it. |
| 16:59.57 | Trela_ | *so far |
| 17:00.04 | durcyn | Lothaer: or they're min-maxing and putting it on dps |
| 17:00.11 | Lothaer | and yes IRT is nice but i dont even have RT |
| 17:00.14 | Antiarc | Lopeppeppy: I'd wait until maintenance is done, then try again |
| 17:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: not offhand. It wouldn't be a language-specific MPQ, I don't beliece |
| 17:00.30 | amro | Lothaer: that's where you move the points from WoTN to RT :) |
| 17:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | *believe |
| 17:00.34 | Trela_ | Would not think so either. |
| 17:01.13 | Lothaer | true i might do that tbh |
| 17:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | Antiarc, I'm livid because the forums say I have no WoW account attached. |
| 17:01.27 | Antiarc | o.0 |
| 17:01.28 | nicoli_s | trela, if its a dbc, its probably in locale.mpq or patch.mpq |
| 17:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | For a dino, I find this to be very bad. |
| 17:01.34 | Lothaer | and in Ulda if the tank gets below 35% HP the healer is doing something wrong |
| 17:01.37 | nicoli_s | locale-enus, patch-enus* |
| 17:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | It could be just due to maintenance, or maybe today is my payment day and I forgot. |
| 17:01.56 | Adys | Trela_: what are you talking about? |
| 17:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: don't you have a special "green eyes only" e-mail address for them? |
| 17:02.06 | amro | Lothaer: well, you do go below 35% quite often, but WoTN's effect is negligible (compared to IRT) |
| 17:02.23 | Legorol | Lothaer: then your tank hasn't been hit by Steelbreaker's punch yet |
| 17:02.25 | Trela_ | Adys: Looking for the list of BannedAddOns.dbc in a MPQ file. |
| 17:02.26 | foxlit | IRT? |
| 17:02.34 | Lothaer | yeah id IRT + VB + crit = Lots of HP :D |
| 17:02.34 | foxlit | improved something something. I wonder! |
| 17:02.35 | durcyn | Legorol: huh, dispel |
| 17:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, not exactly. I'll wait until later today, maybe this is the payment-processing message. |
| 17:02.45 | Adys | Trela_: patch-engb.mpq in DBFilesClient |
| 17:02.47 | Legorol | durcyn: dispel what? |
| 17:02.47 | kluge | those 'if u go below ___health' effects are for ppl planning to lose. |
| 17:02.48 | Lothaer | Improved Rune Tap |
| 17:02.54 | durcyn | Legorol: fusion punch |
| 17:02.55 | kluge | 'if your about to die, mayb youll die slower' |
| 17:02.56 | kluge | lol |
| 17:02.57 | Adys | but why would you want it? it's kind of useless, just a bunch of hashes |
| 17:02.58 | Trela_ | Adys: Thank you. |
| 17:02.58 | Legorol | durcyn: the punch has a huge initial damage component, and leaves a dot |
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| 17:03.10 | Legorol | you can dispel the dot, but not the initial component |
| 17:03.13 | durcyn | Legorol: oh, not surviving the first hit. bad. |
| 17:03.19 | kluge | shield it wtf |
| 17:03.21 | Lunessa | hugs the Lopeppeppy-dino. |
| 17:03.21 | Aelobin | is dancing rune weapon no good? |
| 17:03.28 | Legorol | durcyn: i'm just saying that can take you down to 35% |
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| 17:03.35 | kluge | dancing rune is nice for dps probably. |
| 17:03.42 | foxlit | If you're planning on tanking, it's somewhat pointless |
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| 17:03.51 | Aelobin | im planning on doing pvp ;P |
| 17:03.59 | Lothaer | dancing rune is very nice for DPS |
| 17:04.03 | kluge | id take it for pvp aelobin |
| 17:04.08 | Lothaer | was even better before it got nerfed :D |
| 17:04.08 | amro | a lot of ulduar bosses can take you below 35% easily |
| 17:04.15 | kluge | i use it on a pvp server |
| 17:04.15 | Wobin | I like DRW |
| 17:04.18 | kluge | it helps a lot lol |
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| 17:04.25 | Lothaer | 100RP + DRW + RD + AotD = PWNED |
| 17:04.30 | Lothaer | those were the days :D |
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| 17:04.47 | Legorol | steelbreaker's fusion punch is a magic-damage attacke, so ignores armor |
| 17:04.58 | Wobin | finally gets his act together |
| 17:05.02 | Legorol | the initial hit does 100% of his melee damage therefore, unmitigated |
| 17:05.04 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:05.11 | kluge | power word shield? |
| 17:05.22 | kluge | earth shield? prayer of mending? |
| 17:05.29 | Legorol | yes sure you can shield |
| 17:05.36 | Legorol | all i'm saying that it *can* take you down to 35% |
| 17:05.38 | Nuckin | foxlit: BLPLook is mac OS only right? |
| 17:05.39 | kluge | plus divine aegis |
| 17:05.40 | kluge | ok |
| 17:05.48 | Lothaer | lol i have the 2 most sort after types of toons on my server :D |
| 17:05.51 | Lothaer | a Tank |
| 17:05.53 | Lothaer | and a Healer |
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| 17:05.55 | Legorol | there is aoe nature damage ticking, badly timed chain lightning, fusion punch, poof |
| 17:06.00 | Lothaer | too bad my healer is still lvl 71 :D |
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| 17:06.08 | Legorol | Lothaer: not just your realm :o) |
| 17:06.12 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:06.15 | kluge | lol lothaer i did that too.. i have a 78 healer and 72 tank lol |
| 17:06.21 | kluge | my other toons get neglected.. |
| 17:06.25 | Wobin | my healer is only 44 |
| 17:06.27 | kluge | tho i like my locks new spec |
| 17:06.33 | Wobin | but I've been thinking of levelling him |
| 17:06.38 | Wobin | as I've never shammy healed before |
| 17:06.42 | Lothaer | yeah i leveling my DK first as i got sick and tired of healing all the time imo Tanking is soo much more fun |
| 17:06.50 | Wobin | Lothaer: I like tanking =) |
| 17:06.53 | Wobin | but dps is so much simpler |
| 17:06.55 | Lothaer | so do i |
| 17:06.59 | Legorol | good thing about having a healer or a tank: you can always get a spot and you still have to learn how to dps anyway |
| 17:07.05 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 17:07.19 | kluge | legorol i sort of disagree about dpsing.. |
| 17:07.23 | |Jelly| | hugs Antiarc. |
| 17:07.26 | Legorol | on my DK, i can get a spot either as a tank or as a dps |
| 17:07.26 | kluge | when i roll with my gf before dual spec |
| 17:07.28 | Wobin | and it's relatively easy to pick up an offset for dps while focussing on the tanking gear |
| 17:07.30 | kluge | and she was resto |
| 17:07.33 | kluge | id dps on my disc priest |
| 17:07.33 | Lothaer | as a healer its was just stay back... heal... heal... renew.... heal... shield... yawn.... afk....still afk... heal... BORING |
| 17:07.37 | Legorol | whereas someone who doesn't bother to l2tank will only get a spot as a dps |
| 17:07.37 | Wobin | mostly cause it'll take longer to get a good tanking set together |
| 17:07.37 | kluge | and im so bad at it. |
| 17:07.38 | Antiarc | :D |
| 17:07.47 | kluge | i can heal pretty good |
| 17:07.49 | kluge | tank ok |
| 17:07.51 | kluge | my dps is jokes. |
| 17:07.52 | kluge | rly. |
| 17:07.56 | kluge | my dps when im tanking is ok |
| 17:07.58 | Legorol | Wobin: yup that too |
| 17:07.59 | kluge | but its not dps focused.. |
| 17:08.10 | kluge | so its not like im learning rotations or how to use a dps spec. |
| 17:08.10 | Wobin | I like my dps as bloodspec now |
| 17:08.15 | Legorol | kluge: i'm talking about someone who learnt how to tank in the game will also learn how to dps |
| 17:08.18 | Legorol | not talking gear here |
| 17:08.21 | Wobin | I don't have great gear, but I get around 2.somethingk dps |
| 17:08.21 | Lothaer | but as a tank its COME HERE, DnD, IT, PS, Pest, BT, BB |
| 17:08.35 | Wobin | meh, DnD first |
| 17:08.39 | Wobin | then COME HERE =P |
| 17:08.43 | Lothaer | for groups yes |
| 17:08.44 | Legorol | ^ this |
| 17:08.47 | Lothaer | for single no lol |
| 17:08.58 | Wobin | I don't bother with DnD for single target |
| 17:09.07 | Wobin | prefer to use the runes elsewhere |
| 17:09.13 | Legorol | Wobin: dnd is actually best threat per rune we got |
| 17:09.20 | kluge | legorol, well id say you can learn a LOT about any other role by playing different roles.. but i dont think tanking helpsd you to learn to dps any more than healing does. |
| 17:09.21 | Legorol | but i don't use it either, as i need to have my runes ready idd |
| 17:09.22 | Lothaer | i got told off for having the Come Here chat turned on lol |
| 17:09.22 | kluge | myself. |
| 17:09.29 | Lothaer | i told them it was my mod and stfu |
| 17:09.33 | kluge | i ran a tank a lot more than a healer and learned more how to dps runninga healer. |
| 17:09.36 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:09.47 | Wobin | tanking takes a lot more focus |
| 17:09.48 | Legorol | kluge: tanking helps you learn situational and tactical awareness |
| 17:09.52 | Lothaer | when im not raiding im running 3man MC and 10man BWL :D |
| 17:09.56 | Legorol | you learn a lot more about the game and the encounters |
| 17:10.08 | Wobin | When I'm tanking, having dps that has tanked previously makes your life -so- much easier |
| 17:10.15 | Legorol | ^ that |
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| 17:10.20 | kluge | ohh sure... |
| 17:10.23 | Wobin | eg, Deathgriefing a caster that I couldn't manage to pull |
| 17:10.30 | Wobin | so I can get it into melee range |
| 17:10.33 | kluge | but there are always things u wish your healer or dps or tank knew, that they would know, if theyd played the role. |
| 17:10.47 | Lothaer | in 25man OS the other tank was gonna MT Sarth but he confessed that he couldnt Tank and dodge the flames LOL so i did it |
| 17:11.02 | Lothaer | its like OMG easy |
| 17:11.03 | kluge | tanking doesnt help you to learn to dps anymore than healing helps you to learn to tank.. etc. |
| 17:11.11 | Legorol | that's not true kluge |
| 17:11.15 | Legorol | tanking helps you learn to dps |
| 17:11.20 | kluge | thats just my limited experience then. |
| 17:11.21 | Wobin | healing helps you to tank, and tanking helps you to heal |
| 17:11.22 | Lothaer | lol should have seen me the 1st time i tanked a instance LOL |
| 17:11.22 | Legorol | healing not so much |
| 17:11.33 | Wobin | because you have a better idea of how damage is going to come in |
| 17:11.39 | Legorol | ^ that |
| 17:11.46 | Lothaer | yeah if your a healer 1st you learn to look at the healers MP before you pull |
| 17:11.48 | Wobin | Or when the tank is going to panic and start using cooldowns |
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| 17:11.53 | Legorol | also, if you are dps-ing with prior tanking experience, you are more familiar with the pulls, which mobs are dangerous etc. |
| 17:12.02 | Wobin | which mobs to kill first |
| 17:12.09 | kluge | lol totally, you learn to pace yourself at the healers pace. |
| 17:12.12 | Legorol | ^ that |
| 17:12.19 | Legorol | i often run with tank buddies in dps gear/spec |
| 17:12.23 | Legorol | i don't have to mark for them |
| 17:12.27 | Lothaer | anyone here play on Spinebreaker? |
| 17:12.30 | Wobin | and if you're dps, you learn to grab mana/health before someone gives it to you =) |
| 17:12.31 | Lothaer | US |
| 17:12.33 | amro | although in wotlk, once you've got your epics you can chainpull everything |
| 17:12.35 | amro | including naxx |
| 17:12.48 | Wobin | amro: Speed CoS is one of my favourite instances =) |
| 17:12.55 | Legorol | amro: been to Ulduar much? |
| 17:13.01 | Wobin | Although Gundrak will remain my favourite instance |
| 17:13.05 | amro | Legorol: yes, scroll up :) |
| 17:13.10 | amro | ulduar is something else entirely |
| 17:13.10 | Legorol | ok :) |
| 17:13.23 | Legorol | finally we need CC again |
| 17:13.33 | Legorol | i was getting so tired of the aoe tank'n'fest that was going on everywhere |
| 17:13.33 | Wobin | hehe, and DKs have none =) |
| 17:13.34 | amro | trash is no longer an aoe fest |
| 17:13.39 | Lothaer | wtb Glyph of Death Grip, pulls your target one other with in X range to you. |
| 17:13.41 | Legorol | Wobin: chains of ice |
| 17:13.49 | Legorol | Wobin: have you done Xt yet? |
| 17:13.49 | Wobin | meh, too much attention needed for CoI |
| 17:13.55 | Wobin | Legorol: No =( |
| 17:13.57 | Legorol | pity |
| 17:13.58 | kluge | i am also sick of it legorol.. the other night my guild ran kz.. when we got to moroes we just bashed it.. i was so sad. |
| 17:13.59 | Wobin | I've not done any ulduar |
| 17:14.04 | Legorol | well, I OT there, and i kite the mobs I'm tanking |
| 17:14.06 | kluge | "ok, give me 5 seconds, and then aoe" |
| 17:14.08 | Legorol | thanks to chains of ice |
| 17:14.11 | kluge | <single tear> |
| 17:14.11 | Lothaer | BB was awesome for AoE tanking in the beta lol too bad it was changed |
| 17:14.16 | Wobin | kluge: I used to -love- chain trapping on Moroes =( |
| 17:14.18 | amro | Legorol: you kite the pummelers? |
| 17:14.25 | Legorol | Lothaer: it just turned awesome again |
| 17:14.30 | kluge | wobin ive seen a hunter do it its awesome. |
| 17:14.31 | Legorol | amro: hell yes, when there are 6 on me :) |
| 17:14.35 | Lothaer | how? |
| 17:14.38 | Wobin | kluge: It's so much -fun-! |
| 17:14.43 | amro | Legorol: oh... we failed hard before getting that far. |
| 17:14.50 | kluge | nice |
| 17:14.55 | Wobin | I used to revel in the ability to chain trap without being a SV hunter =P |
| 17:14.57 | Legorol | amro: actually i do it slightly different |
| 17:15.02 | Legorol | when i have 6 i don't kite anymore |
| 17:15.08 | Legorol | but when there is only 1 or 2, i definitely kite |
| 17:15.14 | Legorol | 6 becomes too risky |
| 17:15.16 | alestane | Dare I look in this thread entitled "AddOn Users' Bill of Rights"? |
| 17:15.18 | amro | normal or heroic? |
| 17:15.29 | Legorol | heroic |
| 17:15.32 | Lothaer | Legorol: you talking about the damage increase? |
| 17:15.34 | Wobin | My guildies would sit down and idle while I played "Where can I put this mob in the most inaccessible location?" |
| 17:15.36 | Antiarc | alestane: do it. |
| 17:15.37 | Legorol | we had 3x 1% wipes last night >.< talk about painful |
| 17:15.49 | Aelobin | hmm ive come up with 3 speccs, i'll link them and if anyone could comment on them i'd be gratefeul :) (its for a lvl 69 pvp DK) |
| 17:15.53 | Legorol | Lothaer: damage increase, yes, and more importantly that it can be used now without a disease |
| 17:15.58 | Aelobin | UNHOLY: http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=6&tal=00540000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000203030335103210030151211130151 |
| 17:16.06 | Aelobin | BLOOD (no RW): http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=6&tal=20550213330003102312031010000000000000000000000000000000032030305102000000000000000000 |
| 17:16.07 | Legorol | which means it's awesome for picking up incoming adds from random directions, if your DnD is not down or you aren't unholy |
| 17:16.12 | Aelobin | BLOOD (w/ RW): http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=6&tal=20550215330033132312231010010000000000000000000000000000032030000000000000000000000000 |
| 17:16.17 | Aelobin | :) |
| 17:16.18 | alestane | Okay, that was worth it. |
| 17:16.39 | Lothaer | in the beta if you used BB any mob that it affected would target you, it was kinda like a AoE taunt |
| 17:17.01 | Legorol | i wouldn't call that awesome, i'd call that OP |
| 17:17.15 | Wobin | I unfortunately cannot comment on pvp builds =( |
| 17:17.18 | Lothaer | awesome and OP usually go in the same sentence |
| 17:17.24 | Legorol | not for me, no |
| 17:17.29 | Legorol | i like challenge, and i like awesome |
| 17:17.30 | Wobin | Legorol: I like the new BB |
| 17:17.33 | Legorol | i don't like to feel like i'm cheating |
| 17:17.38 | Antiarc | omgee. |
| 17:17.38 | Legorol | Wobin: me too |
| 17:17.38 | Wobin | being able to use BB spam is so much fun |
| 17:17.41 | Antiarc | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7309/1.html |
| 17:17.44 | Legorol | Wobin: aye |
| 17:17.46 | Lothaer | like when paladins could 1 shot world bosses, Awesome and OP :D |
| 17:17.51 | amro | Legorol: yet you rolled a dk? :p |
| 17:17.55 | Legorol | Wobin: why do we agree on everything? can't we disagree on something? |
| 17:17.57 | Antiarc | Oracle picks up SUN for $7.4 billion and gets MySQL in the bargin. |
| 17:18.03 | Wobin | We don't agree on everything! |
| 17:18.10 | Wobin | (wow, that was meta) |
| 17:18.11 | Legorol | amro: i find DK far more challenging to play than any of the other classes i played before (except healing) |
| 17:18.12 | mikma | [20:17:30] [Raid] [Phlox]: but I use curse and wowmatrix updaters |
| 17:18.15 | mikma | insert hate :D |
| 17:18.23 | Wobin | I like the DK mechanic |
| 17:18.25 | Lothaer | WM |
| 17:18.27 | Wobin | It's new and interesting enough |
| 17:18.27 | Lothaer | dont use it |
| 17:18.29 | Lothaer | bad bad bad |
| 17:18.29 | Legorol | amro: i find that to play a DK exceptionally well and optimally, you really have to focus and use many abilities with quick decision making |
| 17:18.32 | |Jelly| | facedesks. |
| 17:18.42 | Legorol | i used to be a prot warrior |
| 17:18.44 | amro | Legorol: it's definitely more intresting, even if it's been dumbed down since 3.0 |
| 17:18.55 | Legorol | that involved: SS, Revenge, devastate, devastate, keep shield block and HS up |
| 17:18.55 | Legorol | that's it |
| 17:19.02 | Legorol | talk about boring |
| 17:19.10 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:19.29 | Legorol | ok so stun and interrupt sometimes, and keep shouts up, no big deal |
| 17:19.32 | Legorol | DK is far more complex |
| 17:19.33 | mikma | [20:18:31] Welcome to Vault of Archavon (Heroic). Instance locks are scheduled to expire in 13 Hours 41 Minutes. |
| 17:19.34 | Legorol | and i like complex |
| 17:19.37 | mikma | that's also a new message? |
| 17:19.41 | Legorol | old |
| 17:19.45 | Legorol | just changed wording |
| 17:19.59 | Legorol | It used to say "this instance will reset in X hours Y minutes" |
| 17:20.03 | Wobin | It used to be something like "This instance will reset in..." |
| 17:20.05 | Lothaer | i wonder what the next Hero Class will be? i think itll be either Arch Druid (better not make this one available to all Races just omagine the nerd rage LOL) or the Blade Master |
| 17:20.09 | Wobin | yeah, what Lego said =P |
| 17:20.12 | Legorol | Wobin: get out of my head :D |
| 17:20.21 | Wobin | pokes at the couch |
| 17:20.23 | amro | Legorol: I find that DKs require a lot of precise timing |
| 17:20.25 | Wobin | it's comfy! |
| 17:20.42 | Legorol | yes amro |
| 17:20.44 | Wobin | amro: if you want to take advantage of a good rotation, you need good timing |
| 17:20.54 | kluge | next hero class will be the monk |
| 17:20.55 | Legorol | you not only have to pay attention to the game field, but also to your rotation and rune/rp use |
| 17:21.05 | amro | if you find yourself without runes when you have to pickup a pack of adds, you get to food the raid's repair bill |
| 17:21.09 | kluge | melee caster in leather like a druid without shifting. |
| 17:21.12 | amro | foot* |
| 17:21.14 | Wobin | although, you kind of get a feeling as to when your runes refresh |
| 17:21.15 | Legorol | wobin: and also the ability to adapt quickly |
| 17:21.21 | Legorol | aye |
| 17:21.29 | Lothaer | monks are combat healers that wear cloth matge |
| 17:21.31 | Lothaer | mate* |
| 17:21.36 | Legorol | things like: ok i normally use an Oblit here with this FU, but i just got hit for massive damage, i should do a DS instead |
| 17:21.39 | Wobin | amro: that's what the rune blade thingie spell is for =) |
| 17:21.42 | Lopeppeppy | wants a gnomish healer!! |
| 17:21.43 | Lunessa | I noticed last night that when you leave a raid group, it ports you to the nearest graveyard now. |
| 17:22.02 | kluge | i dont really know. all i know is next hero class had better be able to heal |
| 17:22.04 | amro | Wobin: then you get it in the face when it's on cooldown for the next pack of mobs :P |
| 17:22.04 | kluge | or else! |
| 17:22.05 | Taladris | Lunessa: Was in the 3.1 patch notes |
| 17:22.09 | Legorol | amro: there are other solutions too |
| 17:22.11 | Wobin | amro: hehe =) |
| 17:22.16 | Lothaer | and they will use fist weapons and be able to slap the piss out of rogues :D |
| 17:22.17 | kluge | you can enter battlegrounds from anywhere now too. |
| 17:22.20 | Legorol | amro: for example, know the fight well, and reserve runes for when the adds come |
| 17:22.23 | kluge | and they return you to where you were. |
| 17:22.23 | Lunessa | Taladris: Well, despite my reading them many times - it didn't sink in. :P |
| 17:22.28 | kluge | so no bgportals :( |
| 17:22.39 | Legorol | it used to be bad... i used to have to keep BFU free for DnD for incoming add waves |
| 17:22.42 | amro | Legorol: yes, that's what I meant by timing. stop wasting runes when e.g. kologarn arm is about to pop |
| 17:22.44 | Legorol | now i can just keep B free |
| 17:22.57 | Legorol | or go unholy and keep UB up :o) |
| 17:23.00 | Trela_ | ScytheBlade1: I opened the Bad AddOns in a DBC editor. There are eleven entries and they are all exactly the same, a bunch of crap. I am assuming it is a dumb file until a real list comes out. |
| 17:23.01 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:23.19 | Wobin | I like the new Howling Blast glyph |
| 17:23.28 | Wobin | it's basically replaced my IT |
| 17:23.32 | Wobin | except occasionally |
| 17:23.53 | Wobin | when I need a disease up |
| 17:24.06 | zenzelezz | is pleasantly surprised to have managed to make mixed-alpha textures in GIMP (something I couldn't seem to figure in PSP7) |
| 17:24.21 | Wobin | although, I think I'm still in the habit of wanting to get frost fever up before HB |
| 17:24.21 | Nuckin | so are there any BLP Viewers for windows? |
| 17:24.28 | Wobin | Nuckin: sure |
| 17:24.30 | Antiarc | blp2png |
| 17:24.34 | Wobin | XnView |
| 17:24.36 | Lothaer | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6127-BLP2PNG.html |
| 17:24.37 | Antiarc | Or MyWarcraftStudio |
| 17:24.37 | kluge | gz zenzelezz |
| 17:24.52 | Lothaer | follow that link Muckin |
| 17:25.03 | Antiarc | zenzelezz: You have to specifically create an alpha channel or something |
| 17:25.04 | jnwhiteh | you can also use http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png |
| 17:25.06 | jnwhiteh | which can convert them on the web |
| 17:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: how are you sure that there are 11 entries? Do you know the DBC format? |
| 17:25.13 | Nuckin | Lothaer, Antiarc: don't want the extra files, just view |
| 17:25.16 | Antiarc | zenzelezz: I just create 24-bit PNGs and use blp2png to convert them to BLPs, works great |
| 17:25.23 | kluge | gimp is a lot easier sometimes. |
| 17:25.36 | AckisWork | ~wowspell 64053 |
| 17:25.37 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=64053 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=64053 |
| 17:25.38 | Lothaer | if you just wanna view the files try wow model viewer |
| 17:25.39 | zenzelezz | Antiarc: why bother with PNG/BLP when TGAs work just fine? |
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| 17:25.56 | zenzelezz | anyway, was easy enough in gimp... just make layers and set their transparency, export, magix |
| 17:26.02 | Antiarc | zenzelezz: You have to do extra alpha channel hackery to get TGAs to work right in Photoshop |
| 17:26.02 | Trela_ | ScytheBlade1: I downloaded a DBC editor. WDBC is just another database format. |
| 17:26.18 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: I take it the GatherMate being GPL because of code from Astrolabe came up because WM is now hosting it themselves? |
| 17:26.20 | Nuckin | kluge: my GIMP doesn't read them |
| 17:26.39 | Adys | read what |
| 17:26.39 | Adys | ? |
| 17:26.41 | Lothaer | if i remember correctly Dan Gilbert was working on a plugin for Photoshop so it could read blp files |
| 17:26.47 | zenzelezz | Antiarc: sounds odd. At least I managed to get fully opague lines, semi-transparent parts, and fully transparent parts in the same TGA now with GIMP |
| 17:26.47 | Xinhuan | yes, i believe so |
| 17:26.50 | Lothaer | dont know if he ever got it woring though |
| 17:26.53 | Wobin | Nuckin: did you want a converter or a viewer? |
| 17:27.04 | Nuckin | Wobin: just view |
| 17:27.09 | Wobin | XnView does that |
| 17:27.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: you showing it as a single-column table or multi-column? |
| 17:27.21 | Adys | I was working on a gtkpixbuf plugin for blps :/ |
| 17:27.26 | Xinhuan | last year, if you remember, we discussed this |
| 17:27.27 | Nuckin | Wobin: installing it now |
| 17:27.27 | Trela_ | ScytheBlade1: Multiple columns. |
| 17:27.33 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: yes, I remember the reason |
| 17:27.35 | Lunessa | PS4 makes alpha layers easy-sauce. |
| 17:27.46 | Kirov | I don't know why Adobe never bothered to really fix the tga issue. |
| 17:27.48 | Esamynn | a certain data table ;) |
| 17:27.53 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:27.55 | Xinhuan | so.. hm. |
| 17:27.56 | kluge | does running a survival hunter take a fair bit more skill than beastmaster? |
| 17:28.07 | Kirov | The "best" they did is there's an alternate .tga exporter you can download from them that changes the behavior. |
| 17:28.17 | Kirov | But, it overwrites the existing behavior |
| 17:28.20 | Kirov | You can't have both. |
| 17:28.24 | Xinhuan | so the addon itself is GPL, however.... MAYBE the data addon isn't |
| 17:28.26 | Xinhuan | i'll check ;p |
| 17:28.37 | Esamynn | lol |
| 17:28.53 | Lothaer | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=54890049 |
| 17:28.54 | Wobin | Antiarc: I love how Lua has affected your turn of phrase =P |
| 17:28.56 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: if you've restricted work since, to a limited group of people, you could probably chance the license |
| 17:28.58 | Lunessa | But for those who don't have PS4 - The GIMP is pretty frikken sweet. Once you learn to use it. |
| 17:29.02 | Antiarc | Wobin: Hehe, that was intentional |
| 17:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | GIMP is indeed excellentness. |
| 17:29.19 | kluge | when you say ps4 u mean cs4 right? |
| 17:29.23 | Lunessa | kluge: Yes. |
| 17:29.25 | kluge | kk |
| 17:29.26 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 17:29.32 | Xinhuan | GatherMate_Data is "all rights reserved" |
| 17:29.32 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:29.40 | Xinhuan | but GatherMate is GPL |
| 17:29.41 | Nuckin | GIMP crashes too much on Windows |
| 17:29.42 | Lothaer | you got a spare $1000 lol |
| 17:29.51 | Lunessa | Work supplies me the package, I don't own a personal copy more recent than PhotoShop 5.1 |
| 17:30.08 | kluge | sweet |
| 17:30.10 | Xinhuan | well, i'm not sure if we need permission from you to change the liscense |
| 17:30.15 | Lothaer | well $699 |
| 17:30.44 | Lopeppeppy | GIMP doesn't crash for me, I use it all the time on Windows. What's up with your system, Nuckin? |
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| 17:30.49 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: well, the data table came from an LPGL bit of code (not GPL), which does a lot to untie your hands |
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| 17:31.00 | kluge | nuckin i also have had good luckwith gimp on xp and vista. |
| 17:31.00 | Esamynn | s/LPGL/LGPL/ |
| 17:31.17 | Lunessa | If I did image editing free-lance (not as a hobby, but for remuneration) I'd totally buy Adobe products. |
| 17:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: in any case, we have no idea how it actually functions |
| 17:31.25 | Xinhuan | so.. what does that mean? lol |
| 17:31.44 | Nuckin | Lopeppeppy, Vista Business x64, crashes a lot manipulating TGA files |
| 17:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. That's not GIMP's fault, poor baby GIMP. |
| 17:32.09 | Lunessa | Xinhuan: Something released under LGPL and used by you don't not mean you can't use a more restrictive license on the subsequent product. |
| 17:32.10 | Antiarc | GIMP has been unstable on my XP box, as well, though I haven't tried it in the last few months |
| 17:32.14 | Esamynn | LGPL isn't as restrictive as to what can link with it, ie. it's not as viral |
| 17:32.23 | Xinhuan | Lunessa, i'm not using his library |
| 17:32.24 | Nuckin | Lopeppeppy: 32-bit GIMP version, not 64 |
| 17:32.39 | Xinhuan | i did however copy about 6 lines of code from his library |
| 17:32.52 | Lunessa | That's a different matter then. |
| 17:33.22 | Xinhuan | so in this case, i didn't think whether te library is lpgl is relevant |
| 17:33.26 | Lunessa | Esamynn: and you could negotiate a different agreement, allowing you to use another license if you chose. |
| 17:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: they;ve done sneaky stuff before |
| 17:33.52 | Trela_ | ScytheBlade1: Unfortunately. Some of the WoW programming stuff is fairly hackish as well. :) |
| 17:33.57 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: my main point here is, I'm not really trying to tie people's hands |
| 17:34.01 | Wobin | ... why do users not understand |
| 17:34.14 | Wobin | that the majority of addon authors DON'T CARE IF YOU UNINSTALL THEIR ADDON |
| 17:34.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: some, yes. This is done on a different level, tho |
| 17:34.17 | Lothaer | have you guys seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFP7mFyV5b8 ? its gunny as hell |
| 17:34.18 | Lunessa | Wobin: They have the same complaint about developers. |
| 17:34.20 | Nuckin | Wobin: XnView works perfectly, thank you :) |
| 17:34.25 | Wobin | Nuckin: no worries =) |
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| 17:34.46 | Wobin | One user uninstalling one of my addons is just one less person that complains =P |
| 17:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | complains alla time! |
| 17:35.10 | Xinhuan | so would you have any issues if we changed the liscense? (if we decided to) |
| 17:35.13 | Antiarc | Wobin: Yup. |
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| 17:35.33 | Trela_ | ScytheBlade1: Used a different editor on the file and it gave me slightly different results. I think the file is a new DBC format or encrypted in a way the editors do not recognize. |
| 17:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela_: neither of the two, but I saw that coming a mile away. Most new DBCs are not "known" to DBC editors, as their format is simplistic and usually a human eye is best to tell the total column count |
| 17:36.27 | Antiarc | DBCs are just packed structs |
| 17:36.35 | Antiarc | You have to know the struct to unpack it properly |
| 17:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 17:36.52 | Antiarc | (I'd written a Python script at one point to try to programmatically determine struct members, but I've long lost it) |
| 17:37.36 | pHrail | Kinda new to UI Dev, is there a way my addon can check my website for when I update the version, or are there any network http functions available to post data to a web page using wow api or lua? |
| 17:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 17:37.47 | amro | pHrail: nope. none at all |
| 17:37.48 | Antiarc | No, pHrail, unfortunately. |
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| 17:37.59 | pHrail | didnt think so |
| 17:38.05 | amro | pHrail: you cannot communicate with anything outside the game, including the filesystem |
| 17:38.07 | Antiarc | "out of date" messages come from other users of the addon having a newer version, and their version number is transmitted on the guild or party addon channel. |
| 17:38.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: you know full well that if they had that, you'd be the single most hated author ever in existence :) |
| 17:38.27 | Antiarc | If your addon hears another user broadcasting a higher version number, then it can tell the user "hey, you're out of date" |
| 17:38.28 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: no, I wouldn't, as long as the data table retained credit (and its LPGL status) |
| 17:38.29 | Esamynn | my interpretation of the LGPL, and Lunessa (or someone else can correct me if I'm wrong), is that it's perfectly alright for one section of code that your AddOn requires to function be GPL, while the rest is under a more restrictive license |
| 17:38.31 | Esamynn | this works because correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't actually done anything with my code except copy it and make use of it to support other code, right? |
| 17:38.38 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Hahahah :P |
| 17:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: you're only laughing because it's true |
| 17:38.51 | Antiarc | In fairness, most of the Omen hoopla was caused by people updating off of a dev repo |
| 17:39.02 | Xinhuan | it is just that data table, yes |
| 17:39.02 | Antiarc | I was just posting atomic commits like a good developer. |
| 17:39.05 | Esamynn | err, /be GPL, while/be LGPL, while/ |
| 17:39.07 | pHrail | Thanks, I didn't think it was possible :( so limited... |
| 17:39.10 | Lopeppeppy | Oh gods, Omen hoopla, I remember it well. |
| 17:39.12 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 17:39.29 | Xinhuan | and technically, we can also just copy it off cartographer instead - who has the same table, but the values are scaled by a different factor |
| 17:39.56 | Taladris | grins |
| 17:40.17 | Trela_ | http://lockbox.madhouse.org/drop/troy.jpg |
| 17:40.20 | Lunessa | Esamynn: You and I seem to grok the LPGL the same way. |
| 17:40.25 | Taladris | This "Suggestion for UI Policy: Open Source License" thread is a good way to pass the time while waiting for the realms to come back up. |
| 17:40.30 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: the nice thing about the LGPL (and why I chose it) is that only direct derivative works are caught by it |
| 17:40.46 | Xinhuan | Antiarc, bigwigs "fixes" this by only showing "new version available" if it is newer by 10 commits or more |
| 17:40.54 | Wobin | damn you loa |
| 17:40.58 | Wobin | er Lothaer |
| 17:40.58 | Xinhuan | of course it wouldn't work under the old 1-big-repo system |
| 17:41.04 | Antiarc | Heh, yeah. |
| 17:41.10 | Wobin | I just wasted all that time watching all the ads =P |
| 17:42.50 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: anyways, I just wanted to make it clear that I'm not trying to tie anyones hands with respect to their own code |
| 17:42.53 | Wobin | Trela_: =P |
| 17:42.56 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 17:42.57 | pHrail | is there any way at all to focus on a target? |
| 17:42.59 | zenzelezz | I think GTK has it in for me... sometimes the save dialog simply shows the background and a lot of white fields (but it still functions) |
| 17:43.12 | Wobin | pHrail: with... /focus perhaps? |
| 17:43.19 | Trela_ | Wobin: The Professor Farnsworth one is good too. |
| 17:43.27 | pHrail | i mean in the ui/api/lua |
| 17:44.19 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: my main objective here is credit/protection for my own work |
| 17:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Write your own license |
| 17:45.55 | mikma | http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ |
| 17:45.56 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: why, the LGPL covers my needs quite well |
| 17:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: epic migraine right now. Only half-here |
| 17:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | spaces out |
| 17:46.21 | Esamynn | :( |
| 17:46.53 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, go get some rest! |
| 17:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: in class. It'll be at earliest two hours before I can |
| 17:47.25 | aesir | mikma that was funny, ty |
| 17:47.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh, ScytheBlade1. /comfort |
| 17:47.57 | Wobin | Antiarc: Oh look, Gello posted. |
| 17:48.01 | Antiarc | I saw that. |
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| 17:49.03 | Wobin | I should post "s/Users/Authors/" |
| 17:49.25 | Wobin | But that would derail the thread =P |
| 17:49.30 | Antiarc | hehe |
| 17:49.44 | Antiarc | See, what Gello doesn't realize is that his post actually supports mine |
| 17:50.00 | Antiarc | He didn't enumerate anything remotely resembling the rights that many users presume! :P |
| 17:50.06 | Wobin | hehe |
| 17:50.37 | Hirsute | And I can actually get behind the four that he listed. |
| 17:50.51 | Antiarc | Sure, but those are pretty much "your rights as a sentient being" |
| 17:50.56 | Hirsute | They do have the right to choose whether or not to use my addon |
| 17:50.58 | Hirsute | Exactly |
| 17:51.20 | Antiarc | Being an addon user doesn't convey those by virtue of being a user |
| 17:51.28 | Hirsute | Well, actually, they don't have the right to choose whether or not to use my addon, as I haven't released it publically yet. |
| 17:51.51 | Hirsute | But that's neither here nor there. |
| 17:52.48 | Hirsute | Heh. For one of the addons I work on, but am not the sole author for, someone asked how to do something in our forums, and I responded by telling him there was no way to do that exactly, but suggested a way to approximate it. |
| 17:53.19 | Hirsute | I just got a whisper from another user that began, "I'm curious why you are lieing to your users. There's a way to do what he asked documented elsewhere in your forums...." |
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| 17:53.58 | Hirsute | I whispered back inviting him to post the solution he had if it seems easier to him than the one I suggested, and asked why he felt the need to whisper me a snarky whisper rather than just help the original users. |
| 17:54.15 | Hirsute | Today is a day that I hate users. I've spent too much time in the WM threads. |
| 17:54.22 | Antiarc | Lying to users is what makes the day worth living! |
| 17:54.25 | Antiarc | Of course! |
| 17:54.41 | Antiarc | I mean, I spend all this time busting my ass for their benefit, so something has to balance it out right? |
| 17:54.42 | Esamynn | Hirsute: WM threads are very bad for one's mental health |
| 17:54.47 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 17:54.48 | Hirsute | Esamynn: I know. |
| 17:54.53 | Antiarc | WM threads are horrible for my rage levels. |
| 17:54.53 | Esamynn | hell, I'd argue they are bad for ones health in general |
| 17:54.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: s/wm threads/forums/ |
| 17:54.57 | Wobin | they're the reason I've been styaing up til 4am every day |
| 17:55.07 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: depends on the forums ;) |
| 17:55.07 | Wobin | Also the fact that you lot only have the interesting conversations at this time |
| 17:55.10 | Wobin | Damn you all =( |
| 17:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: I've yet to see any form completely devoid of stupidity ;) |
| 17:55.28 | Esamynn | ~poke Wob |
| 17:55.29 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Wob, pokes Wob repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:55.30 | Esamynn | ~poke Wobin |
| 17:55.31 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Wobin, pokes Wobin repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 17:55.44 | Dashkal | I want a better cross-platform multi-im client damnit... *curses pidgin* |
| 17:55.45 | Hirsute | I keep thinking that if someone can just explain that what Curse and WoWI did wasn't out of malice, but a desire to preserve their ability to provide services at all, then people will chill out. |
| 17:55.47 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: never said there were any |
| 17:55.49 | Hirsute | Someone shatter my delusions. |
| 17:55.59 | Thunder_Child | this is hardly "interesting" Wobin |
| 17:56.04 | Thunder_Child | it's the same old crap |
| 17:56.10 | Wobin | yes |
| 17:56.16 | Wobin | but it's an actual conversation |
| 17:56.19 | Esamynn | Hirsute: umm, people have already tried to explain that, THEY ARE NOT LISTENING! |
| 17:56.20 | Wobin | rather than idleness =P |
| 17:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: the really depressing thing is that the last drug I tried both work well AND it worked within 20 minutes. The reason I say this is depressing is because it is sitting in the pharmacy next to my house, which as mentioned, is about two hours away. |
| 17:56.45 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: ouch |
| 17:56.46 | Thunder_Child | pointless conversation ~= idleness |
| 17:56.52 | Hirsute | Dashkal: If you didn't need cross-platform, I'd suggest one, but the cross platform thing is a breaker right now. |
| 17:57.01 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 17:57.13 | theorbtwo | imagines Antiarc trying to do something, it not work, him say "not enough rage" to nobody in particlar, and then going off to read some forums. |
| 17:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: that, and it is $24/pill |
| 17:57.26 | Antiarc | theorbtwo: Ahehehe. |
| 17:57.33 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: wait, drugs cost money? ;) |
| 17:57.36 | Esamynn | is Canadian |
| 17:57.37 | Lunessa | Hirsute: *shatter* |
| 17:57.38 | Dashkal | Hirsute: *sigh* I know... |
| 17:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: insurance will cover 12 a month, anything more I get to pay for myself |
| 17:57.53 | Dashkal | I think I'll switch to kopete on linux... but I'm screwed on windows |
| 17:58.01 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: yes, I am just messing with you |
| 17:58.04 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Thanks. Now, if I can just get someone to bring my imitrex up to the med school here. |
| 17:58.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: heh, sorry. As mentioned, I'm kinda broke atm |
| 17:58.14 | Hirsute | Dashkal: I like Digsby on Linux. |
| 17:58.15 | Dashkal | I can't understand why that project is open source. Their attitude is so incredibly closed... |
| 17:58.17 | Hirsute | s/Linux/Windows/ |
| 17:58.35 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: I apologizwe |
| 17:58.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: lol, don't |
| 17:58.47 | amro | I'll take anything that doesn't crash as often as pidgin |
| 17:59.00 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: maybe if you come visit my sector in TWS a few more times... ;) |
| 17:59.05 | Lunessa | Sbo and it's not like meds for chronic pain are cheap. |
| 17:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 17:59.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Let uh |
| 17:59.14 | ScytheBlade1 | No, no thanks |
| 17:59.17 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.19 | Wobin | ckknight: apparantly, you're gone =) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473910733&sid=1&pageNo=7 |
| 17:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Related: since cog disappeared, have you seen him in TW at all? |
| 18:00.01 | Wobin | agrees with Hirsute. Digsby is good |
| 18:00.12 | alestane | Holy shit it worked. |
| 18:00.17 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: I haven't been on much lately |
| 18:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 18:00.25 | Hirsute | I particularly love the "Prove there were bad ads in WM" arguments... "Sure, let me take a screenshot of my memories from when I checked it out a long time ago, I'll post it in a few decades when we have the technology" |
| 18:00.31 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: your addon installer? |
| 18:00.52 | Lunessa | Sbo - He's busy writing. |
| 18:00.54 | alestane | So far. I've only given it one test case, but now I can send it out for people to alpha-test. |
| 18:00.56 | Legorol | Wobin: ping |
| 18:00.57 | Antiarc | Digsby is good, but it's heavy :( |
| 18:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Not too shabby |
| 18:01.04 | Wobin | Legorol: ack? |
| 18:01.06 | Legorol | Wobin: do you know if the new HB still scales with diseases? |
| 18:01.18 | Legorol | It seems so, but i haven't done dummy testing, and tooltip doesn't say |
| 18:01.25 | Wobin | I think the frost fever requirement was removed |
| 18:01.29 | Hirsute | Antiarc: That's been getting (slowly) better. |
| 18:01.35 | Legorol | I know it's not doubling on FF anymore |
| 18:01.36 | Wobin | it does the damage it did -with- frost fever without needing it |
| 18:01.39 | Hirsute | And it isn't as heavy as Trillian Astra was, which is what I switched from. |
| 18:01.40 | Antiarc | Yeah, I'm running the alpha in the hope that it gets better |
| 18:01.41 | Taroven | Is there a diff viewer around that works like kinda like google code's? |
| 18:01.48 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, is it mac or PC installer? |
| 18:01.48 | Legorol | but does it still scale with the no. of diseases? |
| 18:01.49 | Antiarc | I switched from Pidgin, which is also heavy |
| 18:01.55 | Wobin | Legorol: it never did |
| 18:01.57 | Antiarc | Though I still use pidgin for IRC, because Digsby doesn't do it :/ |
| 18:01.59 | Wobin | It only doubled with FF |
| 18:02.00 | Lopeppeppy | I have Trillian Pro. |
| 18:02.06 | AbsolutRayne_ | Do de do |
| 18:02.08 | Legorol | hm, then i'm just imagining it :) |
| 18:02.10 | Hirsute | I just use ChatZilla for IRC. |
| 18:02.15 | alestane | It goes through .zip files that you drop on it, looks for add-ons, checks your AddOns folder for add-ons with the same name, saves them if there are, extracts the add-ons to your AddOns folder, and then saves anything it saved in a dated .zip file in your Interface folder. |
| 18:02.25 | Wobin | Hirsute: I used to... then when it crashed with FF.. I stopped =P |
| 18:02.37 | Taroven | I use ChatZilla too. =P |
| 18:02.37 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy: The old Trillian Pro was much less heavy, but didn't do everything I wanted. |
| 18:02.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: :o wow, thats neata. |
| 18:02.42 | Hirsute | Wobin: I don't run it in FF |
| 18:02.42 | Wobin | (yes yes I know xulrunner etc) |
| 18:02.43 | NightHawkTheSane | neat* |
| 18:02.49 | Dashkal | Maybe I'll just learn to use XMPP transports and use jabber exclusively :p |
| 18:02.59 | NightHawkTheSane | and.. thinking about it, doesn't sound that complex to write actually. |
| 18:03.14 | Wobin | xchat does well for me for irc |
| 18:03.20 | Dashkal | I like chatzilla, but I need to get off my ass and use xulrunner. flash crashing my IRC sucks |
| 18:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i <3 x-chat aqua. |
| 18:03.33 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Applescript, so Mac-only. There are PC clients to do a decent job of updating add-ons, but there were plenty of people bitching about the lack of Mac support for anything but WoWMatrix, so I'm hoping to alleviate the despair of the computer-illiterate. |
| 18:03.42 | Wobin | Dashkal: You should whistle the modem noises into the telephone reciever, oldskool |
| 18:03.49 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. I cans not alpha for you then, sorry. |
| 18:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | afk going home |
| 18:03.57 | Dashkal | Wobin: That's cheating. Align the wire with cosmic rays I say |
| 18:04.20 | alestane | It might be possible to write a batch file or something that does the same job on Windows. |
| 18:04.21 | Esamynn | ~lart Dashkal |
| 18:04.21 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P Dashkal' action |
| 18:04.30 | Dashkal | :p |
| 18:04.31 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 18:04.31 | purl | Esamynn: aw, gee |
| 18:04.35 | Hirsute | Any how, time for me to go in search of a cure for my headache. Later all! |
| 18:04.58 | Esamynn | I love it when purl gets it JUST right |
| 18:05.26 | alestane | I don't have a man entry for dpkg to get the joke. |
| 18:05.36 | Esamynn | -P would be purge |
| 18:05.40 | NightHawkTheSane | google does :P |
| 18:05.45 | Dashkal | Erase everything, including configuration |
| 18:05.48 | Dashkal | I has ceased to exist |
| 18:05.56 | mikma | yey! Conqueror's gloves <3 |
| 18:06.03 | mikma | too bad they are enhancement hehe |
| 18:06.07 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:06.12 | Taroven | Aww, but grats =D |
| 18:06.14 | Antiarc | Hey, where is WowI's client? I can't seem to find a link on wowi itself. |
| 18:06.51 | theorbtwo | "dpkg --purge" would have been a lot funnier. |
| 18:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: check the WoWW Tools & Utils category? |
| 18:07.06 | alestane | Right but what actually is dpkg? |
| 18:07.09 | theorbtwo | wonders if our purl is also on #debian, or something. |
| 18:07.12 | Dashkal | learn to deb |
| 18:07.12 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8239-WoWInterfaceUIManager-Windows.html |
| 18:07.18 | Esamynn | alestane: package manager on debian |
| 18:07.20 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: debian package manager |
| 18:07.21 | theorbtwo | alestane: It's the low level of the debian package manager. |
| 18:07.30 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:07.41 | Wobin | manager low package level! |
| 18:07.42 | alestane | So that would uninstall and delete Dashkal? |
| 18:07.46 | Dashkal | yep |
| 18:07.49 | Esamynn | nods |
| 18:07.58 | theorbtwo | Remove every trace he ever existed. |
| 18:07.59 | NightHawkTheSane | pats alestane on the head and gives him a cookie |
| 18:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, nice. |
| 18:08.12 | alestane | Yay, cookies! |
| 18:08.18 | Esamynn | ~cookie Lopeppeppy |
| 18:08.26 | Shirik | cookies Lopeppeppy |
| 18:08.27 | Lunessa | wants cookies and a vicodin. |
| 18:08.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Firedancer (n=chatzill@cpe-74-79-155-157.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 18:08.42 | Esamynn | not... quite what I was expecting |
| 18:08.58 | Shirik | Esamynn, ~cookie is random factoid with the argument in it |
| 18:09.11 | Esamynn | yes, I remembered that after the fact |
| 18:09.21 | Shirik | ~cookie Esamynn |
| 18:09.31 | Esamynn | I should delete that |
| 18:09.33 | Wobin | I blame WAU for this whole debacle =P |
| 18:09.36 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 18:09.41 | Esamynn | I barely maintain that addon for myself anymore |
| 18:09.51 | alestane | Shirik: Will WoWI host an AppleScript droplet, or does that fall under the category of "no executables"? |
| 18:10.04 | Shirik | alestane: We approve executables conditionally |
| 18:10.08 | Wobin | ~cookie Shirik |
| 18:10.19 | Wobin | ~cookie Wobin |
| 18:10.28 | alestane | Fair enough. It can be opened in Script Editor, so someone can open it up and see what it does if they want. |
| 18:10.35 | Lunessa | mmmmm... droplets. |
| 18:10.39 | Wobin | k, that's weird |
| 18:10.42 | durcyn | cookie just pulls a random factoid |
| 18:10.49 | theorbtwo | ~cookie orb |
| 18:10.54 | Lopeppeppy | droplets of what, Lunessa? |
| 18:10.55 | alestane | Lunessa...you only use a Mac at work, right? No WoW? |
| 18:11.03 | durcyn | looks like the module was re-enabled for some reason |
| 18:11.09 | Dashkal | ~wowalert |
| 18:11.10 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 18:11.10 | Shirik | ~cookie factoid |
| 18:11.17 | Lunessa | alestane: Pretty much. My two macs here really can't handle WoW. |
| 18:11.19 | ckknight | Wobin: how am I gone? |
| 18:11.26 | Wobin | link in ping |
| 18:11.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it's not a factoid |
| 18:11.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: someone on the internet said so! it must be true! |
| 18:11.38 | Thunder_Child | oh, nvm |
| 18:11.39 | Lunessa | alestane: but they COULD run your droplet. |
| 18:11.40 | Esamynn | ckknight: check the thread that was linked |
| 18:11.48 | ckknight | replied. |
| 18:11.56 | Esamynn | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:11.56 | purl | holds NightHawkTheSane to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 18:12.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ... hot. |
| 18:12.09 | Esamynn | O_O |
| 18:12.22 | Nuckin | thats... erotic |
| 18:12.28 | ckknight | yea, quite |
| 18:12.30 | Esamynn | ... |
| 18:12.33 | Lunessa | ckknight: OMG, you sound like a priest. |
| 18:12.54 | alestane | Lunessa: So you could test them for me if you wanted to make a WoW directory framework for them to install into. |
| 18:12.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, the whole messianic complex does that. ;) |
| 18:13.03 | ckknight | Lunessa: I try to pull off the Jesus thing |
| 18:13.28 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i could test it if needed, i've got wow on my mac here |
| 18:13.35 | Lunessa | alestane: Sure, e-mail me the script. I have WoW on an external drive and can test it in the morning. |
| 18:14.12 | alestane | Ideally, I'd also like someone to test it with a UI package, since it should be able to find multiple add-ons in the same zip file. |
| 18:15.17 | Lunessa | alestane: I'll test it out on a full blown wow install for you tomorrow if that'll do? |
| 18:15.49 | Wobin | ckknight: which is kinda creepy, cause I mentally picture you with that cowboy hat I saw you in when you did that youtube video spoof thing |
| 18:15.52 | alestane | Whatever works. I have to put on a copyright notice and do some last checks. |
| 18:16.02 | ckknight | Wobin: yep. |
| 18:16.03 | Lunessa | just don't want to walk to my car, drive to work, park, walk into the building, get my external HD, drive home... all while walking = pain. |
| 18:16.09 | ckknight | Wobin: I have a different cowboy hat now. |
| 18:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | Pain, Lunessa? Did you hurted something? |
| 18:16.30 | Lunessa | I hurted my back/hip last night. |
| 18:16.36 | mikma | DW shaman, offhand needs to be fast or slow? |
| 18:16.45 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. /comfort, /ice, /ibuprophen |
| 18:16.49 | Wobin | yeah, that always confused me |
| 18:16.57 | Lunessa | ckknight: Jesus in a Cowboy Hat, drinking Shiner. |
| 18:16.59 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: doesn't matter i believe, nothing procs off OH does it? |
| 18:17.00 | Wobin | can never remember |
| 18:17.09 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: .. i have no idea actually :D |
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| 18:17.12 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: surely the weapon buffs do? |
| 18:17.13 | mikma | i know |
| 18:17.15 | ckknight | Lunessa: also possible that I may be a robot |
| 18:17.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: they may be PPM |
| 18:17.18 | mikma | i go and ask my supershaman friend |
| 18:17.23 | ckknight | still to deduce that myself |
| 18:17.30 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: but you can have different buffs on each weapon |
| 18:17.37 | Lunessa | mikma: depends on imbue choice, but generally, slower is better. |
| 18:17.50 | Fisker- | i got myself a ring ckknight |
| 18:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: but yeah, i should have clarified, i guess, i think weapon buffs and killing machine is PPM based, meaning speed doesn't really matter. |
| 18:17.56 | Lunessa | ckknight: Next you'll tell me you have hookers and blow on tap. |
| 18:18.05 | alestane | Beautiful! If you installed WoW somewhere other than /Applications/World\ of\ Warcraft, it will ask you where it is and remember the answer! |
| 18:18.08 | mikma | lunessa: uh! |
| 18:18.13 | ckknight | Lunessa: not on tap |
| 18:18.17 | Wobin | I've had KM proc quite rapidly... it was kinda cool |
| 18:18.17 | ckknight | Fisker-: grats? |
| 18:18.36 | Wobin | I was like "zomg, I have everything on cooldown! Quick, find something that uses it!" |
| 18:18.38 | Lunessa | alestane: good, 'cause I have it on an external. |
| 18:19.07 | alestane | And if WoW isn't there anymore, it should ask you for the new location. |
| 18:19.26 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: out of curiosity, how/where does it store that? |
| 18:19.30 | Lunessa | mikma: If you're going to use Windfury on the off hand, slower is better. 2.6 or more. If you're going to use Flametongue then slower is good, but not a requirement. |
| 18:19.34 | alestane | AppleScript property. |
| 18:19.40 | NightHawkTheSane | neat |
| 18:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: oh, you said shaman, not DK. >< my bad. |
| 18:20.13 | mikma | lunessa: i have The Stray in my bank :D |
| 18:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | misread, got confused, apologizes. |
| 18:20.19 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2.13&filter=ub=7;gm=3;wt=134:119:117:23:96:21:103:20:77:123:114;wtv=191:100:84:55:55:55:42:36:33:30:26 |
| 18:20.27 | Lunessa | mikma: I think I hate you. |
| 18:20.38 | mikma | lunessa: oh, and i'm elemental |
| 18:20.48 | Lunessa | now I know I hate you. |
| 18:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, the stray, I think i might have that too. |
| 18:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, ive got a bunch of random enh stuff i never use in the bank >.> |
| 18:21.19 | mikma | lunessa: and, just got the Conqueror's Warbreaker Grips (enhancement) from VoA25 |
| 18:22.28 | Lunessa | Bah. I have the KT fist weapon for MH and the Fist of Nerub for OH. |
| 18:22.39 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, that's why I was confused =) |
| 18:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: yeah, i should stop trying to do work and give advice at the same time ;) |
| 18:23.56 | Esamynn | Lunessa: do you use WF or FT on the offhand? |
| 18:23.58 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474330974&sid=1 - can you post your guide? Highlight the unzipping part. I don't have my support files here. |
| 18:24.09 | Lunessa | Esamynn: WF main, FT off. |
| 18:24.24 | Esamynn | well, WF on the main is pretty much a given ;) |
| 18:24.38 | Wobin | Pride and Greed look pretty good |
| 18:24.52 | alestane | Lunessa: Warning, I have been listening to her kvetch about being unable to log into the forums. |
| 18:24.57 | Lunessa | I'm considering finding another (slower) OH and going back to WF/WF to see if I can eeek out some more DPS. |
| 18:25.06 | Lunessa | ... /facepalm |
| 18:25.17 | Antiarc | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4804007.ece |
| 18:25.23 | Antiarc | It's like...it's like a WoW forum user. |
| 18:26.16 | Esamynn | Lunessa: I suspect that they have done a lot of work to make FT better on the OH |
| 18:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: no, the difference is that person . |
| 18:26.58 | NightHawkTheSane | er, that person died* |
| 18:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | we could only be so lucky to have forum users do that |
| 18:27.20 | Lunessa | Esamynn: My experience in beta says that, and my experience since says that. But I'm SICK to DEATH of coming in behind every goddamned Ret Paladin in DPS. I'm looking for any incemental improvement. |
| 18:27.42 | Esamynn | didn't they nerf ret in 3.1 |
| 18:28.05 | kneeki | Lunessa: You're a mage right? |
| 18:28.07 | Lunessa | Sure. Now I'm only 1K behind - not 1.8 - 2K behind |
| 18:28.16 | Antiarc | Ret sustained is down, but ret burst is up. |
| 18:28.18 | Lunessa | Enhancement shaman as my main. |
| 18:28.24 | Antiarc | So bads are getting instagibbed in PVP |
| 18:28.30 | Antiarc | And people are up in arms over it |
| 18:28.48 | Wobin | "And of course the authors obsessed with droit moral will do some handwaving against it, but eventually it will gain enough momentum that their voices fade into the background." |
| 18:28.50 | Wobin | ooh. |
| 18:28.52 | Wobin | seethe =P |
| 18:28.58 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5221375/the-wow-pod-brings-porta+potties-to-azeroth |
| 18:29.02 | kneeki | Lunessa: Hmm, I raid with an enh shaman as well... And I don't think I've ever noticed her on the dps meters. But, I'm never looking for her either |
| 18:29.18 | Antiarc | Wobin: I saw that, and decided it was too trolly to respond to. |
| 18:29.26 | Antiarc | Damn this handwaving authors! They should quit WoW IMO. |
| 18:31.18 | Lunessa | kneeki: I come in in the top 15 usually. More often to like number 9 or 7. It frustrates me to be busting my ASS in a boss fight and put out 2.7K DPS on average when a DK or Ret Paladin in gear below mine in quality can/does easily hit 3.4 - 4K. |
| 18:31.56 | alestane | Anyone recommend a data fork hex file editor for OS X? |
| 18:32.29 | kneeki | Lunessa: I agree wholeheartedly. Blizzard has not (at least from what I've seen) done a very good at making hybrids equal. have you checked ElitistJerks.com and made sure your gems/spec/rotation are perfect? |
| 18:32.42 | kneeki | If you have, then there is not much more you could do. =( |
| 18:33.09 | Lunessa | kneeki: They're very, very good considering my gear quality. I just need to work harder. SO MUCH HARDER. |
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| 18:33.46 | kneeki | Lunessa: I doubt that... and rereading my above, I typod. |
| 18:33.55 | Lunessa | Sorry alestane the last one I used was ResEdit. |
| 18:34.06 | kneeki | ^^^ ... has NOT done a good job... |
| 18:34.22 | alestane | Which gets the resource I need out, but doesn't do data forks AFAIK. |
| 18:34.26 | alestane | I think I found one. |
| 18:34.36 | kneeki | Lunessa: Atm, DK's are doing way more dps than what the other classes are doing, Ret pals are the same way |
| 18:34.50 | Wobin | man ret pal dps is insane =) |
| 18:35.13 | kneeki | As a warlock, I have to bust my ass to maintain my dps, whereas it seems that anyone currently rolling a DK is top deeps with face rolls on the keyboard |
| 18:35.27 | Esamynn | Lunessa: it's interesting out Ret Paladin is way behind our enhanc Shaman in single target dps (patchwerk), but then, I don't think the ret's gear is very good |
| 18:35.37 | Esamynn | s/out Ret/our Ret/ |
| 18:35.39 | kneeki | It's very rare that the 2 or 3 DK's are not the top spots on Recount. |
| 18:35.47 | Lunessa | Last night, in OS-25 the Prot Paladin (main tank) managed to place 6th. I was 7th. a Rogue, 2 DKs and some ret pallies made up the rest of the top. |
| 18:36.03 | Wobin | kneeki: there's a lot more involved than facerolling =( |
| 18:36.15 | kneeki | Lunessa: Was the paladin tanking the adds on the new boss? |
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| 18:36.29 | kneeki | Wobin: I have big doubts about that |
| 18:36.31 | Lunessa | Esamynn: I'll admit, I'm comparing myself to some of the best ret paladins I've ever met. |
| 18:36.33 | Wobin | kneeki: we have special dialling wands to mash the keyboard with! |
| 18:36.43 | kneeki | Wobin: OOOO!!!! *seethe!* |
| 18:36.57 | Lunessa | kneeki: OS, not VoA. |
| 18:37.20 | kneeki | Lunessa: Oh *bonk*.. Well, was he tanking the whelps & fire adds? |
| 18:37.29 | Adys | I need some advice |
| 18:37.38 | Wobin | Go for the black one |
| 18:37.42 | kneeki | A prot pallys DPS goes quite high when he is tanking many mobs (4+) without much effort on his part |
| 18:37.44 | Wobin | It'll match with anything |
| 18:37.46 | Adys | ok, thanks |
| 18:37.48 | kneeki | Adys: The blue pill |
| 18:38.01 | Lunessa | kneeki: Yeah, because the OT sucked. |
| 18:38.01 | Adys | too late I just grabbed the black one |
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| 18:38.45 | kneeki | Lunessa: you could also try recording your own WWS and checking either here, or EJ.com and having some people review it and give their thoughts. That has helped me before |
| 18:38.46 | Lunessa | Adys: No, damnit it! Crush all of them and SNORT them. |
| 18:39.21 | Lunessa | Yeah, that's my next step I think. Though I did re-gem last night for more +hit. |
| 18:39.27 | kluge | how does reflective damage show on meters? like for retribution aura and pw:s with reflection.. |
| 18:39.34 | Adys | but really, I got a duration value stored in microseconds (64 bit, can go up to 600 000 years or so). I want the user to be able to enter on a web page any sort of reasonable value with a decent interface |
| 18:39.36 | kneeki | Lunessa: What hit % are you at now? |
| 18:39.58 | NightHawkTheSane | kluge: what do you mean? |
| 18:39.59 | Esamynn | heh, this report (full Nax clear), has the top 5 all within 100 dps of each other 4000-4100 range, 3 rogues, 1 warlock, 1 shaman (enhance( |
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| 18:40.13 | Adys | I was thinking about making an input with a select menu: [ ] [ Seconds v ] |
| 18:40.19 | Lunessa | Depends on which trinket I'm wearing but overall +14% + Racial. |
| 18:40.19 | alestane | Lunessa: 0xED is nice. You can download it free from Apple, too. |
| 18:40.24 | Wobin | Adys: perhaps radio buttons |
| 18:40.31 | neebly | howdy |
| 18:40.41 | Adys | and then maybe next to it some handy js shortcuts |
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| 18:40.50 | Lunessa | alestane: I should grab a copy. My tool suite on Mac OSX is missing such a thing. |
| 18:41.09 | neebly | test |
| 18:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | test |
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| 18:41.40 | DWSR | There an EJ IRC channel? |
| 18:41.45 | Adys | yes |
| 18:41.51 | Esamynn | grr, WWS is so borked for 3.1 logs :/ |
| 18:41.53 | Adys | gamesurge, #elitistjerks |
| 18:42.00 | Wobin | that must get.. volatile =P |
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| 18:42.03 | DWSR | Thanks Adys |
| 18:42.06 | alestane | I haven't had to work with files on the Hex level in years...I don't miss it that much, actually, aside from the feeling of triumph when your computer DOESN'T snow crash...but I prefer activities with higher standards for satisfaction. |
| 18:42.17 | neebly | I came here for help with my addon... is this the right place to come? |
| 18:42.38 | alestane | Probably. |
| 18:42.45 | alestane | Is this an add-on you're writing, or using? |
| 18:42.50 | neebly | writing |
| 18:42.53 | Lunessa | Ok, this sucks. If I sit in a position to lessen the pain of last night's injury, I exacerbate another old injury. Maybe I should just go lay down. |
| 18:43.00 | alestane | Then yes, pretty much. |
| 18:43.11 | alestane | Lunessa: Go lie down. |
| 18:43.12 | durcyn | Lunessa: in a coffin, perhaps |
| 18:43.27 | Wobin | Lunessa: Wheat belts |
| 18:43.29 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, pillow? |
| 18:43.35 | Lopeppeppy | Rum? |
| 18:43.36 | Lunessa | durcyn: Kinky. Can I get Paully Perette too? |
| 18:44.17 | Wobin | Lunessa: http://instantwheatheat.com.au/album_13.htm |
| 18:44.17 | Lunessa | Fuck yes. Rum. |
| 18:44.26 | Wobin | they're fantastic |
| 18:44.32 | Wobin | cause you don't have to prop them up |
| 18:44.54 | Lunessa | Wobin: Looks comfy. /considers one. |
| 18:45.09 | Wobin | they also sell off ebay too for easy purchasing |
| 18:45.19 | Wobin | all my friends who have back pain love them to bits |
| 18:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | I have similar herbal heating hot packs |
| 18:45.50 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: these ones are good, cause they're essentially belts that velcro onto you |
| 18:45.56 | Wobin | so you don't have to hold them in place |
| 18:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | I have shoulder pain, so they don't work as well for me, but I love my beanbag. :) |
| 18:46.40 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: http://instantwheatheat.com.au/album_11.htm =) |
| 18:47.14 | kneeki | Why Is It The Digg RSS Always Types Like This? It Drives Me Fracking Insane! |
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| 18:47.15 | kneeki | !!! |
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| 18:47.19 | Lopeppeppy | RRp $ ? What country are they from? |
| 18:47.27 | Wobin | australia |
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| 18:47.48 | Wobin | so cheap for you =P |
| 18:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah darlin'... bit of a shipping thing. I'll just break apart a few of my shoulder ones and make my own cape! |
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| 18:50.14 | Wobin | hm, maybe they don't ship overseas =( |
| 18:50.22 | Wobin | but surely there's similar products |
| 18:50.29 | Lopeppeppy | Even if they did, that would probably cost as much as the cape does. |
| 18:50.51 | Wobin | 28 USD =) |
| 18:51.20 | Lopeppeppy | *wrinkles nose* $2 to re-make a few of my current ones. |
| 18:51.58 | Antiarc | ahaha, I got a 72 hour timeout for my thread :P |
| 18:52.06 | Fisker- | Talnox113250214.65% |
| 18:52.06 | Fisker- | 3967.2285.5s92.4% |
| 18:52.06 | Fisker- | Fiskerdin97766112.64% |
| 18:52.06 | Fisker- | 3285.8297.5s96.3% |
| 18:52.08 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/An-Unlikely-Network-Outage.aspx |
| 18:52.14 | Fisker- | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-3ePz8FEiegHrOxM7/sum/healingDone/?s=6271&e=6580 <-lol'd |
| 18:53.25 | nicoli_s | man thats alot of data |
| 18:53.47 | Beladona | whats to lol at? |
| 18:55.19 | Lunessa | Antiarc: So, it got poofed. |
| 18:55.30 | Antiarc | I got bansticked too :P |
| 18:55.35 | Antiarc | But that's probably good for my blood pressure. |
| 18:55.38 | Lunessa | *chuckle* |
| 18:55.46 | alestane | What got poofed? |
| 18:55.49 | Lunessa | I'm wondering if I'm going to get one too. |
| 18:55.53 | Antiarc | My "bill of rights" thread. |
| 18:56.30 | Fisker- | Beladona nr. 2 healing with judgement of light :D |
| 18:56.39 | Fisker- | pisses the healers off |
| 18:57.15 | alestane | Sigh, I laughed at that one. |
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| 19:00.07 | Fisker- | FUCK IT |
| 19:00.12 | Fisker- | got second best in slot ring for palas |
| 19:00.18 | Fisker- | and the best in slot drops from trash |
| 19:00.23 | Fisker- | and i just spent the dkp on the second best |
| 19:00.38 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 19:00.50 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. /comforts |
| 19:00.58 | durcyn | ~fisker-++ |
| 19:01.02 | KarlKFI | the str/haste one off grrlbot? |
| 19:01.19 | KarlKFI | str/haste/hit i think |
| 19:01.44 | aesir | Beladona: It's 3pm. Do you know where your addon's website is? |
| 19:02.10 | Fisker- | ye KarlKFI |
| 19:02.16 | Fisker- | and awesome |
| 19:02.21 | Fisker- | the other dps who wanted it got the same dkp |
| 19:02.24 | Fisker- | and i won on the roll |
| 19:02.28 | KarlKFI | hax |
| 19:02.37 | alestane | Fisker-: Can you fill the OTHER ring slot with it, or am I being stupid? |
| 19:02.39 | KarlKFI | i passed on that last night since i've been tanking mostly |
| 19:02.55 | KarlKFI | dk got it |
| 19:03.00 | alestane | What do people use for XML validators on Windows? |
| 19:03.02 | Fisker- | of course alestane |
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| 19:04.08 | Trela_ | logs into WoW~ |
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| 19:06.07 | Antiarc | auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. |
| 19:06.08 | Antiarc | http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/convert-any-website-to-flash-with-wrapper/ |
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| 19:06.33 | Beladona | aesir: I left a message for Ansu, but he isn't answering. And I don't have enough access to track down the issue |
| 19:06.45 | durcyn | Antiarc: that's the most damaged thing i've ever seen. |
| 19:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: *puke* |
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| 19:07.08 | Beladona | aesir: unfortunately I had just posted, and I think it died right after |
| 19:09.36 | KarlKFI | why..... |
| 19:10.36 | Lopeppeppy | Guinea pig request: Anyone else still getting an Apache error on the Account Management page? Peppy is impatient.... |
| 19:11.17 | mikma | beladona: *cough* wowcompares needs to be updated *cough* |
| 19:11.22 | Antiarc | http://imgur.com/1Hw.jpg |
| 19:11.44 | Antiarc | This is rather clever, I've been stuck on the last 2% of the 8mb patch for 8 minutes now. |
| 19:11.55 | kneeki | Antiarc: got me =( |
| 19:12.02 | mikma | antiarc: i got the "Good news everyone" on my tablet! |
| 19:12.05 | Beladona | for 3.1.1? |
| 19:12.15 | mikma | beladona: for 3.1! |
| 19:12.26 | Beladona | the last ptr is the same thing |
| 19:12.31 | Beladona | but I will add a link anyway |
| 19:12.44 | mikma | thanks babe |
| 19:12.47 | durcyn | Beladona: but, but, 3.1.1! |
| 19:13.14 | Antiarc | ....ahahah. |
| 19:13.16 | Antiarc | http://www.iccm-1.org/ |
| 19:13.23 | Antiarc | That is the most over-designed website intro ever. |
| 19:13.34 | DWSR | why the fuck did they update the TOC number? |
| 19:13.51 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Fraid it works smoothly for me. Try all that good cache-reset stuff and all that jazz. |
| 19:13.52 | Lopeppeppy | To make you swear. |
| 19:13.58 | Antiarc | They changed the TOC? |
| 19:14.01 | DWSR | uhuh |
| 19:14.04 | mikma | antiarc: http://mikma.reaktio.net/misc/j0ljtl.jpg |
| 19:14.08 | DWSR | Just logged in and a bunch of addons weren't loaded. |
| 19:14.11 | Beladona | durcyn: I can't do 3.1.1 until I get to a computer with wow on it |
| 19:14.19 | Antiarc | mikma: Ahhhhh. |
| 19:14.30 | durcyn | DWSR: or 'load out of date' could just get reset to default-off on every patch for the past X years |
| 19:14.36 | durcyn | it's still 30100 |
| 19:15.10 | Antiarc | http://mikma.reaktio.net/misc/j0ljtl.jpg |
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| 19:18.00 | DWSR | durcyn: yawn |
| 19:18.15 | durcyn | ~lart DWSR |
| 19:18.15 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to DWSR, and goes postal |
| 19:20.31 | Wobin | Antiarc: I just downloaded the patch directly |
| 19:20.54 | Dashkal | Some people get tripped out too easily... |
| 19:21.34 | mikma | dashkal: talking about industrial again, aren't you |
| 19:22.10 | Wobin | Antiarc: omg |
| 19:22.26 | Wobin | how do people not get epileptic fits watching that intro? |
| 19:22.27 | Antiarc | Wobin: ? |
| 19:22.57 | Wobin | oh god, it's 5:20 am |
| 19:22.59 | Wobin | good night all |
| 19:23.20 | Wobin | (also, couldn't they get iccm.org?) |
| 19:23.26 | DWSR | ~fail durcyn |
| 19:23.27 | purl | durcyn, you Fail! |
| 19:23.36 | Wobin | hehe guess not |
| 19:23.45 | Wobin | worst url name ever |
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| 19:35.40 | kneeki | Anyone have a link to the 3.1.1 patch? I'm having blizzard download issues |
| 19:35.55 | nicoli_s | yah, check the wowwiki |
| 19:36.05 | nicoli_s | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 19:36.12 | durcyn | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 19:36.26 | kneeki | ugh, nvm. I closed the launcher and reopened it. it zipped right through and finished |
| 19:36.26 | nicoli_s | tis where i get all of mine, using the blizz downloader with p2p shuts down all of curse's pipes :P |
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| 19:39.01 | TC-Away | thats nifty, replace the trackpad with a multi-touch lcd screen http://i.gizmodo.com/5220982/sharp-mebius-nj70a-has-twice-as-many-screens-as-a-typical-netbook |
| 19:39.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Things That Are Awesomeâ¢: Drycoding for 2 hours and having it work with only two minor (and really stupid) errors. |
| 19:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | \o/ |
| 19:39.41 | Dashkal | Ackis would be proud |
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| 19:40.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 19:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | he said drycoding. *lolz* |
| 19:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously read that as drywalling, and was confused... |
| 19:40.56 | Thunder_Child | http://cache-foo.gizmodo.com/gawker/assets/images/4/2009/04/504x_Electronic_Mail_2.jpg |
| 19:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | gently pats Lopeppeppy |
| 19:41.37 | NightHawkTheSane | and now, i go to deposit last week's paycheck and get lunch. |
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| 19:42.42 | Beladona | can anyone else confirm that there were NO ui changes in 3.1.1? |
| 19:42.51 | Beladona | my compare is coming up with none |
| 19:43.24 | durcyn | wouldn't surprise me, it was mostly bugfixes that couldn't be hotfixed |
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| 19:44.08 | Dark_Elf | had one warlock spell change but that dont count as ui |
| 19:45.48 | Adys | what are the standard units for year/month/week/day/hour/minute/second/millisecond/microsecond? |
| 19:46.41 | Esamynn | Adys: what do you mean? |
| 19:46.49 | Adys | 1y, 1m, 1w, 1d, 1h, 1m, 1s, 1ms, etcv |
| 19:47.05 | Esamynn | microsecond = us |
| 19:47.10 | NeoTron | µs |
| 19:47.14 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 19:47.18 | Esamynn | thanks Ne |
| 19:47.20 | Esamynn | NeoTron: |
| 19:47.21 | Adys | that's gonna suck |
| 19:47.26 | Adys | need an input on it |
| 19:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | For why will it suck? |
| 19:47.30 | Thunder_Child | pico |
| 19:47.31 | Adys | er |
| 19:47.41 | Thunder_Child | femto |
| 19:48.01 | Adys | I'm gonna parse a text field and convert it to a microsecond decimalfield |
| 19:48.28 | kneeki | Can you only 'track' one q uest at a time now? |
| 19:48.41 | Adys | eg someone writes "2d 1h", I store 176400000000 |
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| 19:48.43 | kneeki | using blizzard quest tracking thing |
| 19:48.56 | Adys | and I want the user to be able to write in microseconds |
| 19:49.16 | Adys | and using µ would be kinda awkward for someone with a weird keyboard |
| 19:49.19 | durcyn | Adys: accuracy beyond the second matters for your application? |
| 19:49.32 | Adys | it's a framework not my app :P |
| 19:49.39 | Adys | so yes |
| 19:50.13 | Esamynn | kneeki: last I checked the limit was still 5 |
| 19:50.30 | kneeki | I can only show one at a time atm |
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| 19:57.55 | mikma | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! |
| 19:58.04 | mikma | never EVER read comments about tv-show torrents |
| 19:58.05 | mikma | never |
| 19:58.20 | zenzelezz | spoiler? |
| 19:58.32 | mikma | bingo |
| 19:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey |
| 19:58.41 | Kirov | "In this show, the hero dies." |
| 19:58.52 | zenzelezz | THE SHIP SINKS!! |
| 19:58.52 | mikma | kirov: exactly, something like that was in the comments |
| 19:58.58 | mikma | like, thanks. |
| 20:01.04 | Cairenn | blizz forums just puke? |
| 20:01.15 | Adys | they certainly make me puke |
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| 20:01.54 | mikma | how's that any different from wowi forums them, AH AH AH |
| 20:02.17 | Adys | I dont read wowi forums AH AH AH |
| 20:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, the Bliz forums have been catty to me all day. |
| 20:02.41 | Cairenn | :p |
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| 20:04.58 | mikma | beladona: hubba hubba, thanks |
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| 20:07.49 | kaiden | Anyone happen to know the name of the sound file that causes the little clicks that occur when you click a button repeatedly? |
| 20:08.08 | kaiden | not the HolyFizzleA one, the one i'm looking for is the melee version of that |
| 20:09.38 | dolseni | Thrall's throne has been adjusted back to its proper size and the base replaced. He will no longer need to defy gravity. |
| 20:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent news! |
| 20:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | But I did like him levitating. |
| 20:11.25 | amro | has SystemFont been renamed? |
| 20:11.26 | Tem | so |
| 20:11.26 | Tem | now that I'm a champion |
| 20:11.26 | amro | you get to be a valiant again. |
| 20:11.26 | Tem | in order to get champion with another city |
| 20:11.26 | Tem | do I really have to do valliant again with only 1 daily? |
| 20:11.26 | dolseni | yup |
| 20:11.26 | amro | yeah, it's insane |
| 20:11.26 | Jamash | I like how they introduced championing right after I ground to exalted with silvermoon with runecloth :-X |
| 20:11.26 | Tem | I'm now pissed |
| 20:11.44 | Hirsute | Jamash: Ooooooh. Yuck. |
| 20:11.50 | dolseni | hah |
| 20:11.54 | dolseni | i've done that |
| 20:12.06 | Lopeppeppy | Championing? |
| 20:12.10 | dolseni | but i didn't buy the runecloth, i farmed it leveling alts |
| 20:12.20 | dolseni | Lopeppeppy: argent tournament stuff |
| 20:12.49 | dolseni | you can represent that city/race and get rep for em |
| 20:12.53 | Tem | wtf! |
| 20:13.00 | Tem | I can't do the stone/lumber dailies anymore |
| 20:13.00 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I is not PvP girl. |
| 20:13.07 | Tem | it's not pvp |
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| 20:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh? I will investigate, when I get to play WoW, as my account is currently FUBAR in some undefined way. |
| 20:13.56 | dolseni | mm, they change anything to mess with addons in the latest patch? |
| 20:14.35 | Kirov | unlikely |
| 20:15.00 | dolseni | oh duh, new patch... had to go back in and check load out of date addons |
| 20:16.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: whu? once you get champion you only get one valient daily for the other cities? |
| 20:17.04 | Tem | NHTS yeah afaict |
| 20:17.08 | NightHawkTheSane | please, tell me thats a bug. |
| 20:18.14 | Tem | well |
| 20:18.21 | Tem | the other two dailies becom champion dailies |
| 20:18.29 | Rincewind` | Jamash: Wouldn't of made a difference anyway, cant grind rep with tabards that aren't from wotlk on championing. |
| 20:18.50 | Tem | the kill icecrown scourge and battle at the gates quests just get upgraded |
| 20:18.59 | Tem | so you really can't do both |
| 20:19.07 | Jamash | er, I mean the argent tournament, not championing |
| 20:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, t rue |
| 20:19.30 | NightHawkTheSane | and i suppose it doesn't make sense to keep you fighting in the valient arena.. |
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| 20:20.18 | kluge | why do people complain about a free respec |
| 20:20.32 | kluge | that is insane. |
| 20:20.35 | Kirov | kluge - because they don't remember what their spec was |
| 20:20.53 | kluge | .. but doesnt that just sort of show that they should pay more attention to it? |
| 20:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | Check armory? |
| 20:20.58 | Kirov | and they probably have to remember what spells were where |
| 20:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | it's been scientifically proven that if people don't complain about something, they die in under a week. |
| 20:21.07 | kluge | if ur not remembering special abilities or chance to crit or w/e on spells.. |
| 20:21.16 | kluge | lol |
| 20:21.17 | Kirov | kluge - not defending them or anything, just saying. |
| 20:21.21 | kluge | yah |
| 20:21.28 | kluge | to me its always good.. |
| 20:21.35 | zenzelezz | their armory page should still have their spec |
| 20:22.02 | Kirov | last I looked at the armory, it still had my pre-3.1 spec |
| 20:22.10 | kluge | i had divine sacrifice and guardian and they really suck |
| 20:22.31 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably just me, but i always get confused when people say "omg, i have to respec, i can never remember what goes where" |
| 20:22.41 | zenzelezz | I need to read up on how to be a DPS warrior now that I can dual-spec... even if I'll never use it |
| 20:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, i've got maybe a dozen specs for all my characters more or less committed to memory. |
| 20:23.11 | kluge | its because you know the talent trees probably |
| 20:23.19 | kluge | when you dont know the tree its harder to remember it |
| 20:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ta ta, have fun storming the castles! |
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| 20:23.52 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* maybe, but i hear this from people who have played their class for over a year now. |
| 20:24.12 | zenzelezz | well, I don't understand it either, but people are different |
| 20:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | I think most of them don't actually bother reading what talents do, or understand how it affects them, and just follow some cookie-cutter EJ guide or what have you. |
| 20:25.41 | Dashkal | Meh, I still think skill with a spec can be more important than the spec... |
| 20:25.54 | Kirov | Dashkal - yes and no |
| 20:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | depends |
| 20:26.10 | Dashkal | "can" used intentionally. gimp specs need not apply |
| 20:26.13 | Hirsute | I have no memory for talent configurations at all. I spend a fair amount of time figuring out what I want, but I respec so seldom that when it comes time to do it, I generally have to spend a fair amount of time thinking about the trees to remember where I spent my points. |
| 20:27.01 | Hirsute | That's why it irritates me so much that I have to retalent my pets when switching from primary to secondary specs if I don't want to just have different pets for different specs. I'd much rather each pet have two specs that I can set once, and have it switch between them when I switch between them. |
| 20:27.03 | Dewin | Hirsute: The same applies to me. |
| 20:27.07 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 20:27.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: thats my point, though, and I really don't mean to be condescending or insulting, but from my perspective, -most- talent specs are very straightforward if you understand what you want, and read the talents to see what they do |
| 20:27.22 | Kirov | I didn't respec for a few months. I've respeced now 4-5 times. |
| 20:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont memorize "5 points here, 3 points there", i just know what i need, and then pick up the talents to get there. |
| 20:27.49 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: I don't take it as condescending. I generally can remember the major talents, it's the "spare" points I have left over when I've picked up all the major talents I want that I can't remember. |
| 20:28.02 | Kirov | Sadly, I'm considering specing in to two slight variations of the same spec instead of two vastly different ones ... which is going to suck for the glyphs |
| 20:28.07 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: it's not always the case though. There may be a generally preferred warrior protection spec now, but the tree is so full of goodies that there's a fair bit of room for manouvering |
| 20:28.36 | Kirov | Though, I have to say the new "learn" button in the talents is win |
| 20:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: yeah, but a solid dose of common sense will probably get you a spec that's "not bad", at worst. |
| 20:28.42 | Kirov | Means I don't have to keep Talented |
| 20:28.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: massively so. |
| 20:28.48 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: totally agreed |
| 20:28.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: it also reduces lag, sorta. ;) |
| 20:29.13 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - don't have to wait for the talents to actually update, yar |
| 20:29.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: yeah, I can kinda understand the free points you have left over for flavor stuff can be not as straightforward, but those are usually relatively few and unimportant if you misplace them. :P |
| 20:30.03 | Hirsute | I can usually get the majority of my points put back in within a few secons. It's usually the last 5-10, and they aren't really important, but I get obsessive about those one. |
| 20:30.33 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 20:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | There's a couple people in my guild who if i try to talk to them on vent or whatever while they're respeccing are like "Can't talk, distracted, trying not to screw up my spec." and they'll be figuring that out or like 10-15 minutes. o_0 |
| 20:32.19 | Beladona | thats why that new feature is nice |
| 20:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | also, wow: http://iconfactory.com/startrek/ |
| 20:32.28 | Beladona | it makes it fast to click the talent buttons too |
| 20:33.43 | NeoTron | ] |
| 20:34.26 | Hirsute | That new feature makes me *so* happy. |
| 20:35.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr. |
| 20:35.48 | Hirsute | Now, if talented would get working smoothly (though the problem may not be talented, but the Blizz talent system right now) I'd be a happy camper. Save two specs per pet, and one-click switch. |
| 20:36.18 | NightHawkTheSane | does talented save per-pet specs? |
| 20:36.54 | NightHawkTheSane | my hunter's not 80 yet, so i haven't picked up dual spec on him, but thinking about respeccing my pet every time sounds obnoxious. |
| 20:37.39 | NeoTron | I'd be surprised if it didn't |
| 20:37.45 | NeoTron | doesn't it even change pets? |
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| 20:38.17 | Hirsute | You can set templates that can be applied to the appropriate pets. |
| 20:38.23 | Hirsute | And name the templates |
| 20:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 20:38.42 | Hirsute | So it becomes fairly trivial to name two specs after each pet, and then just apply the specs after you switch. |
| 20:38.58 | Hirsute | Unfortunatley, Talent points keep getting lost, but I believe that's the Blizz bug biting me. |
| 20:39.36 | NeoTron | that should be fixed in todays patch |
| 20:39.50 | Hirsute | NeoTron: Serious? Awesome |
| 20:39.56 | Hirsute | I didn't realize there was a patch today. |
| 20:39.59 | NeoTron | that's what they said. |
| 20:40.09 | NeoTron | everyone will get to respec from scratch, both specs |
| 20:40.35 | Hirsute | Woo-hoo. |
| 20:40.48 | Hirsute | Time for me to start obsessing over those last points again. |
| 20:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | (there IS a patch today, all talent points are reset, and hopefully the lost-talent-point bug will be fixed) |
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| 20:46.04 | foxlit | "Can't get OPie to come up at all with 3.1.1" |
| 20:46.06 | foxlit | moo? |
| 20:46.20 | mikma | hahahaha |
| 20:46.27 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: "Did you try reinitializing the flux capacitor?" |
| 20:46.50 | mikma | mofo forgot to check load out of date addons |
| 20:47.32 | foxlit | " and yes it's enabled in addons." |
| 20:48.00 | foxlit | Personally, I'm exploiting EU privileges by not acknowledging any bugs at all until we get a patch. |
| 20:49.21 | foxlit | But yeah, I suppose I can't escape |
| 20:49.25 | NeoTron | wow. I'm seriously impressed that a guild managed to spawn Algalon already |
| 20:49.30 | NeoTron | although it is just 10 mans |
| 20:49.34 | foxlit | Going to have to release some intermediate .toc patch |
| 20:49.36 | AbsolutRayne | Is the Argent Tourny bugged? |
| 20:49.47 | AbsolutRayne | I keep getting attacked randomly by Valiants im not fighting |
| 20:49.57 | foxlit | AbsolutRayne: you're so provoking! |
| 20:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly, i kind of want to attack you right now. ;) |
| 20:51.40 | Aezay | NeoTron, I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up dead during this reset |
| 20:52.07 | NeoTron | considering he despawns after an hour, not too likelt perhaps |
| 20:52.21 | alestane | If anyone using WoW on a Mac wants to help me test my droplet, it's uploaded now: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13175-AddOnInstallerdropletforMacOS.html |
| 20:52.33 | NeoTron | considering it took ensidia like 7 hrs to kill Yogg the first time on "easy mode" |
| 20:52.45 | NeoTron | 1 hr at a time on a new hardest of hard bosses is not a whole lot |
| 20:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: for what it's worth, i just checked, and i'm not getting any errors with opie so far? :P |
| 20:52.54 | NightHawkTheSane | -? |
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| 20:53.21 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: :) |
| 20:53.21 | joe_0064 | Anyone know how to wipe the auctioneer scanned database |
| 20:54.06 | NightHawkTheSane | sacrifice seven virgins to norganna? |
| 20:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | joe_0064: #norganna |
| 20:54.16 | joe_0064 | nones in there |
| 20:54.23 | foxlit | Hm, I want a pretty histogram |
| 20:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | considering they're the ones who wrote it, and a fair number of them stick around here, I doubt that |
| 20:54.42 | NeoTron | seems to me like Algalon will kill a lot of players computers :P |
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| 20:55.29 | Shirik | :/ |
| 20:55.31 | Shirik | "It looks like you've been using mIRC for 14335 days." |
| 20:55.56 | foxlit | The raid boss that feeds on your tears is incorporeal? |
| 20:56.01 | foxlit | Meh! Meh I say! |
| 20:57.06 | zenzelezz | <AbsolutRayne> I keep getting attacked randomly by Valiants im not fighting <--- "Take that, you fascist pacifist" |
| 20:58.30 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: when dropping a 'new' mod on it, it looks like it's trying to find an existing version, and throwing an error.. |
| 20:58.50 | alestane | Interesting, that shouldn't hang it up. |
| 20:58.56 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: "Can't get item "<modname>" of folder "AddOns" of folder "Interface" of folder "World of Warcraft" .. etc. |
| 20:59.01 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 20:59.10 | alestane | I'll take a look. |
| 20:59.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 20:59.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I have wow installed in a /Users/foo/Applications/World Of Warcraft/, but it seems like it handles that part okay.. the path info it gives in that error is all correct |
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| 21:00.47 | alestane | I think I see what I need to do. |
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| 21:06.50 | kamdis | So, anyone have thoughts on why I would have received the Damage Control PvP achievement while in Obsidian Sanctum last night? this one: http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=227 |
| 21:06.59 | alestane | Think I've fixed it, not too hard. AppleScript is very sensitive about at what stage of the process errors get thrown. |
| 21:07.00 | kamdis | And should i report it, and to whome? |
| 21:07.04 | kamdis | *whom |
| 21:07.04 | foxlit | "Your branch is behind 'origin/master' by 73 commits, and can be fast-forwarded." |
| 21:07.18 | foxlit | Wonder how I do that |
| 21:10.12 | Thunder_Child | too....freakin......hot..... |
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| 21:14.45 | Jamash | kamdis: bug report forum? |
| 21:16.03 | Torhal | Cairenn: I think there should be a personality test that must be passed before you're allowed forum access. |
| 21:16.05 | Torhal | twitches. |
| 21:16.17 | Torhal | Not really, but it would kinda be nice :) |
| 21:16.29 | foxlit | Hm, lua popen and working directory |
| 21:17.51 | Cairenn | Torhal: heh |
| 21:18.38 | Cairenn | Torhal: we've often wanted to put up a "common sense, ability to read, etc etc etc" test ;) |
| 21:18.52 | Torhal | Cairenn: "Common sense" isn't so common. |
| 21:18.59 | Cairenn | precisely |
| 21:19.09 | Cairenn | nor common decency, nor common courtesy |
| 21:19.36 | zenzelezz | nor commonwealth |
| 21:19.43 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:19.45 | Torhal | Heh |
| 21:20.03 | Thunder_Child | prods Cairenn |
| 21:20.10 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 21:20.17 | Thunder_Child | where are we eating this year? |
| 21:20.22 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 21:20.24 | Cairenn | I don't know |
| 21:20.43 | Torhal | Though I do think there may be merit in a probationary period for new users, so people don't make an account and post a bunch of shit because they're pissed and then never come back |
| 21:20.48 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: Update is available that should fix that bug. |
| 21:21.14 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, can we make Zootfizzle[1] and Sam cook? |
| 21:21.18 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:21.21 | kamdis | Jamash, I suppose. It seems there are a lot of wowhead comments about that achievement triggering at random pve moments. |
| 21:21.26 | Torhal | But I'm just waking up and even had to ask my GF to supply the word probationary, so... |
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| 21:21.39 | Cairenn | I don't know if "we" can, but I know that "I" can ;) |
| 21:21.58 | Thunder_Child | well there you go then |
| 21:22.03 | alestane | Heh, the installer has two favorites already out of 12 downloads. |
| 21:22.06 | Thunder_Child | potluck at someones house |
| 21:22.10 | Shirik | Cairenn can do anything |
| 21:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: works like a charm. :) I tested it with LightHeaded (which i already had installed, and is multiple addons in one zip), and it worked for that as well. |
| 21:22.27 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: <-- one of the favorites :P |
| 21:22.32 | Thunder_Child | except have migraines |
| 21:22.33 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: where did it put the readme.txt? |
| 21:22.49 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: that's a good question, i have no idea. :) |
| 21:22.55 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I can so have migraines, I prove it on an all too regular basis |
| 21:23.08 | Thunder_Child | s/t h/t not h/ |
| 21:23.10 | alestane | And if I'd already known how to use AppleScript I could have knocked it together in a few hours. |
| 21:23.12 | Thunder_Child | i fail |
| 21:23.15 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it may have gotten nuked with the rest of the not-installed parts, but pester alestane about that. :P |
| 21:23.50 | alestane | jnwhiteh: If they were not contained in any of the add-on folders, they probably got lost. If you have a guideline as to where they should go, I'll see about fixing it. |
| 21:23.59 | jnwhiteh | they should be dropped |
| 21:24.02 | jnwhiteh | which is what i wanted to make sure of =) |
| 21:24.30 | Jamash | oh bartender, why can't you have a sane default layout |
| 21:24.36 | alestane | It unzips the .zip to a temporary directory, moves any add-ons it finds to the AddOns directory, then deletes anything that's left. |
| 21:24.48 | jnwhiteh | good |
| 21:24.52 | jnwhiteh | thats perfect |
| 21:25.23 | alestane | Some day I may try to make one that handles packaged UIs including WTF folders, but that's far from trivial. |
| 21:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | that'd be an impressive applescript. |
| 21:25.58 | NightHawkTheSane | but looking at the code for that droplet, i'm pretty impressed at what AS can do. |
| 21:26.02 | nevcairiel | Jamash: because no-one uses any default anyway, so i stopped thinkign about it and just stacked the bars =P |
| 21:26.35 | Jamash | It just gives me a moment of WOAH SCREEN SPLATTER when I log on a new character before I load my profile |
| 21:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't that what most bar mods do? dominos does. :P |
| 21:26.45 | alestane | Hence why I'm not trying it just yet, especially since right now I'm basking in my success. Is there a good way to approach the problem under Windows? A .bat file or something similar? |
| 21:27.27 | durcyn | alestane: you could do it in a .cmd/bat with hardcoded paths, i wager |
| 21:27.53 | durcyn | otherwise some command line tool to pull registry keys |
| 21:28.05 | durcyn | though i suppose you'd need external helpers anyway for the zip handling |
| 21:28.22 | alestane | I'd like to avoid hard-coding the path. That's specifically why I had to use AppleScript and not just a shell script or Automator. |
| 21:28.51 | durcyn | perhaps WSH, but that's a turd to start with |
| 21:28.56 | Dashkal | Can Algalon (therotically) be done in a single lockout? (From starting the quest line to engaging him) |
| 21:31.40 | Dashkal | ooo, nasty. He has a one hour a day window |
| 21:31.52 | Dashkal | or is that week... |
| 21:32.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: if the quest info on wowwiki is correct, if you can kill the iron council without killing hodir, freya, thorim, or mimiron, then yes :P |
| 21:32.30 | Dashkal | nifty |
| 21:32.42 | Dashkal | Just a curiosity. The difficult is such that it isn't really practical regardless |
| 21:32.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i have no idea if you CAN do that, though |
| 21:32.56 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: you can |
| 21:32.56 | Dashkal | Wraith made it to Algalon10 today |
| 21:32.59 | Kirov | Iron Council is easy |
| 21:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: good to know |
| 21:33.27 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: council's off to the side between XT-002 and Kologarn, watchers are past Kologarn/Auriaya |
| 21:33.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i haven't taken a close look at the ulduar layout. |
| 21:34.56 | zenzelezz | I'm curious to see who gets to, and who kills, Algalon25 first |
| 21:35.54 | zenzelezz | sort of hoping it'll be Inner Sanctum, not that it actually makes a difference |
| 21:36.27 | Antiarc | Algalon is going to be INSANE to kill |
| 21:36.32 | Antiarc | Only 60 minutes per week to work on him. |
| 21:36.40 | Antiarc | You get one hour of practice, including recovery time. |
| 21:36.50 | Thunder_Child | he is times? |
| 21:36.56 | Thunder_Child | timed* |
| 21:37.01 | Antiarc | He despawns after an hour. |
| 21:37.06 | Thunder_Child | ouch |
| 21:37.07 | Antiarc | Until the instance resets. |
| 21:37.18 | Antiarc | So you get one hour to kill him, or you wait until next week. |
| 21:37.27 | Thunder_Child | hour of game time or realtime? |
| 21:37.34 | Antiarc | they're different? |
| 21:37.46 | Kirov | It's just like Nefarian |
| 21:37.55 | Thunder_Child | yes, if you break up after 30 min can you come back in 4 hours and still fight him? |
| 21:38.04 | Antiarc | I doubt it. |
| 21:38.15 | Trela | Stupid buggy Path of Frost. |
| 21:38.20 | Dashkal | Antiarc: Do we have confirmation on one week? Could also be one day. |
| 21:38.24 | NeoTron | Antiarc: until it hard resets weekly? |
| 21:38.31 | Kirov | Probably from the point that you spawn him (opening his doors) you get 2 hours. |
| 21:38.37 | Trela | Apparently "Miss" counts as damage. |
| 21:38.47 | Antiarc | I can't imagine it would be one day, since raid instances don't reset daily |
| 21:38.52 | Kirov | Dashkal - were you around for BWL/ |
| 21:38.53 | Dashkal | Think BWL |
| 21:39.02 | Kirov | Originally it was one week |
| 21:39.03 | Dashkal | Kirov: Not personally (I hit 60 days before BC) |
| 21:39.22 | Dashkal | Well, we're gonna know tomrrow |
| 21:39.26 | Kirov | They nerfed it down to one day after a while, then 20 minute respawns. |
| 21:39.35 | Dashkal | If it's one hour per week, that's rather... lame |
| 21:39.48 | Jamash | he feeds on your tears |
| 21:39.55 | Dashkal | not mine |
| 21:39.59 | Dashkal | I will never see that boss |
| 21:40.02 | NeoTron | "we can't make a very hard boss, so we'll just make it so you can't fight him very much" |
| 21:40.04 | Dashkal | Nor do I wish to |
| 21:40.08 | Dashkal | NeoTron: Exactly |
| 21:40.29 | Dashkal | Once hour per day makes some sense. Once a week is just a copout |
| 21:40.32 | Kirov | NeoTron - That's blizzard's only real way of keeping the top end guilds from downing it in the first week. |
| 21:40.48 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRKPKOcY0vQ&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:41.52 | NeoTron | still a bit surprised that somone did all the 5 required hard modes week one |
| 21:42.00 | Antiarc | I really dislike artificial throttling like that. |
| 21:42.03 | Dashkal | Antiarc: ok, that's funny |
| 21:42.04 | NeoTron | I mean I don't want infinitely hard content but still |
| 21:42.08 | NeoTron | even it's just 10 man |
| 21:42.14 | kamdis | Antiarc: rofl |
| 21:42.30 | Dashkal | Well, it's definitely a step in the right direction from 3.0 naxx |
| 21:42.45 | Dashkal | If icecrown is another step, things should get pretty interesting |
| 21:42.56 | Antiarc | Raiding has been an utter joke since 3.0 dropped, so I'm glad for this. |
| 21:43.00 | Antiarc | It's nice to have hard fights. |
| 21:43.09 | Antiarc | But a 1-hour timed brutally punishing fight is just mean. |
| 21:43.12 | Dashkal | naxx10/25 was always intended to be dead easy. |
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| 21:43.20 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 21:43.31 | Thunder_Child | they said they made it too easy |
| 21:43.33 | Dashkal | sorry "accessable" |
| 21:43.42 | Dashkal | naxx25 was too easy. naxx10 was right on target |
| 21:44.11 | Dashkal | and I'm not at all sure how they could have avoided that what with naxx10 and naxx25 both tuned to start from heroic gear |
| 21:45.11 | Antiarc | Naxx 10 was on target? |
| 21:45.16 | Dashkal | Tis what GC said |
| 21:45.21 | NeoTron | considerin NAxx 25 was easily done using SWP gear... |
| 21:45.37 | NeoTron | which admittedly is high end but quite a bit worse |
| 21:45.47 | airtonix | wtb patch 3.1.2 |
| 21:45.57 | Dashkal | Naxx25 is being pugged regularally by failstrom alliance.... I'd say it's pretty easy |
| 21:46.06 | kamdis | indeed |
| 21:46.20 | alestane | The curve between 2.4 top-tier epics and 3.0 80 gear, and between 1.13 top-tiers and 2.0 level 70 gear, was much better managed, I think. |
| 21:46.42 | Antiarc | Naxx 25 gear was too strong |
| 21:46.56 | Antiarc | I had better relative stats 2 weeks into WotLK than I did in BIS gear in BC |
| 21:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd agree |
| 21:47.13 | nevcairiel | especially mana regen <.< |
| 21:47.16 | zenzelezz | BIS? |
| 21:47.28 | NightHawkTheSane | best in slot |
| 21:47.30 | Dashkal | I should probably bite it and pug it a few times for upgrades, but I just don't want to do the 25 man progression (I'm loving the challenge of ulduar10 in naxx10 gear) |
| 21:47.34 | nevcairiel | the problem was that MP5 doesnt scale down when you level, and spirit didnt scale down enough |
| 21:47.46 | nevcairiel | so they had to increase on the sunwell values, and it ended up too high |
| 21:47.59 | nevcairiel | probably with other stats too |
| 21:48.07 | Antiarc | They can fix that by increasing mana pools and spell costs, though |
| 21:48.18 | alestane | Dropping off for a while to concentrate on grades, nothing personal. |
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| 21:48.53 | nevcairiel | the 3.1 values are "ok", could even be a bit lower, but its better |
| 21:48.54 | kamdis | baaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:49.05 | jnwhiteh | sleeps |
| 21:49.20 | nevcairiel | good idea, i'm going too |
| 21:49.23 | nevcairiel | waves |
| 21:50.35 | Dashkal | I'm just sad ulduar10 got nerfed. I wanted to see my guild sweat it out. *sigh* now all the whiners who blamed our failure on blizzard will point and yell "See?!?" *sighs* |
| 21:51.22 | amro | Dashkal: it got nerfed? |
| 21:51.49 | NeoTron | ulduar in general got quite a few nerfs (and some fixes) in its first week |
| 21:51.50 | Antiarc | meh, slightly |
| 21:52.12 | VonhintenHOME` | I really wanted them to keep Ulduar10 like it was, and nerf 25.. |
| 21:52.25 | VonhintenHOME` | my 10 man is full of badasses, and my 25 is full of half-asses |
| 21:52.33 | Dashkal | amro: Sadly yes. Razorscale and 002 got nerfed. They were blocking us pretty effectively. I still think our guild was just too coddled by naxx10. |
| 21:53.00 | amro | Dashkal: I'm not surprised considering how hard "bring the player, not the class" fails in ulduar |
| 21:53.03 | Dashkal | A few of them believe blizzard is outright lying and that it was tuned to naxx25 gear |
| 21:53.06 | NeoTron | Also nerfed was Ignis and Kologarn |
| 21:53.17 | Antiarc | How did Razorscale get nerfed? |
| 21:53.19 | KarlKFI | orly? we beat those 2 on our first night of 10man |
| 21:53.21 | Dashkal | Ignis isn't on our immediate list. We haven't found a start for the fire ragets |
| 21:53.26 | NeoTron | Ignis without a druid is rather challenging |
| 21:53.26 | Esamynn | Dashkal: everyone was too coddled by naxx |
| 21:53.27 | Dashkal | Antiarc: The adds come more slowly |
| 21:53.36 | Antiarc | Meh, I stood around waiting for them to spawn anyhow. |
| 21:53.40 | NeoTron | and do less damage |
| 21:53.46 | Esamynn | I think they tuned it too easy, given how well known the instance already was |
| 21:53.48 | amro | KarlKFI: we got stuck on kologarn for lack of raid buffs/procs/debuffs |
| 21:53.52 | NeoTron | and enrage was increased |
| 21:53.54 | KarlKFI | and we did 6min 002 last night on 25man, heh. |
| 21:54.09 | Dashkal | Antiarc: Our raid DPS is too low. I'm pretty sure we're just undergeared is all. They want to believe it requires 7.5. I'd like to see us all in 200 purps first... |
| 21:54.12 | KarlKFI | we didn't know you get another 2 min for doing ignis |
| 21:54.34 | Dashkal | Does razorscale add time as well? |
| 21:54.51 | KarlKFI | dunno. we killed razor and 002 was enraging in 6min |
| 21:54.52 | Dashkal | To make matters worse. Try doing razorscale with two paladin healers and a priest... |
| 21:54.55 | amro | Dashkal: yes, you need great gear for ulduar |
| 21:54.57 | AckisWork | meh blizzard is still full of douches |
| 21:55.00 | Antiarc | I got the "kill razor in only one takeoff" achievement in both 10 and 25 this week |
| 21:55.01 | NeoTron | Razorscale went from like 7 to 10m enrage |
| 21:55.05 | Antiarc | So I don't think raid DPS is our problem |
| 21:55.09 | Dashkal | Oh god... WTB more aoe heals |
| 21:55.11 | VonhintenHOME` | imo, Ulduar should be about as hard as Thaddius was for Naxx25, and that if you want better loot, you dial up the hard mode... |
| 21:55.14 | NeoTron | Antiarc: until the nerf that wasn't possible NOT to get for a kill |
| 21:55.20 | VonhintenHOME` | instead, we can't get passed XT002 in my guild |
| 21:55.33 | NeoTron | VonhintenHOME`: you mean not hard at all if you're not clueless? |
| 21:55.33 | Antiarc | XT is well-tuned for 25-man |
| 21:55.34 | kamdis | we did deconstructor for 5 nights |
| 21:55.38 | Antiarc | At least at a 6-minute enrage |
| 21:55.40 | AbsolutRayne | Yup, KJs totally unplayable. |
| 21:55.42 | kamdis | we finally got him down last night |
| 21:55.46 | VonhintenHOME` | Neo, pretty much |
| 21:55.54 | NeoTron | I disagree |
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| 21:56.01 | NeoTron | it's nice not to clear it all in a week |
| 21:56.05 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 21:56.05 | Dashkal | I think we were getting there for XT. And with the adds snarable, we can liekly manage it now with more aoe heals |
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| 21:56.16 | Antiarc | We did FL, Ignis, Razorscale, XT, and Kologarn our first week in, and we had an entire day that we couldn't zone in, so we only ended up with about 8 hours of raiding total. |
| 21:56.18 | Dashkal | one paladin max please |
| 21:56.31 | Antiarc | Paladins have AOE heals, duder |
| 21:56.37 | NeoTron | we failed with Ignis rather badly :( |
| 21:56.38 | Jamash | bacon of light! |
| 21:56.40 | Antiarc | Beacon + HL glyph = AOE heal mania |
| 21:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sorta, Antiarc |
| 21:56.44 | VonhintenHOME` | lawl |
| 21:56.48 | Dashkal | We don't have HL in guild yet |
| 21:56.49 | NeoTron | my only real big disappointment of last week |
| 21:56.55 | Antiarc | HL is a stock glyph |
| 21:56.57 | Antiarc | Not a new one |
| 21:56.59 | Dashkal | hrm |
| 21:57.03 | Dashkal | then I'm mistaken |
| 21:57.06 | Dashkal | <--- not a paladin |
| 21:57.11 | Jamash | wtf is wrong with kil'jaeden-us |
| 21:57.13 | Antiarc | If your paladins aren't running it, that may be a bit of a problem :P |
| 21:57.22 | Dashkal | I haven't looked. Not my job :p |
| 21:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | if your holy pallies aren't running with HL glyph, get new pallies :P |
| 21:57.31 | KarlKFI | lol Jamash, started on that server, what's wrong with it? |
| 21:57.40 | Jamash | can't log in |
| 21:57.46 | Dashkal | Bloodlust: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/16473751025-welcome-to-lagmoore.html |
| 21:57.52 | Jamash | I can log in to other servers |
| 21:58.04 | Jamash | Dashkal: thx |
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| 21:59.04 | Dashkal | armories his paladins |
| 21:59.06 | Dashkal | facepalms |
| 21:59.11 | Dashkal | I'm gonna have me a chat with the raid leader... |
| 21:59.21 | Genolo | err might not be the right place to ask but i'm running ubuntu and wow on wine has red ground: http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww91/Geno_4_Ever/LOLQUEWOW.png |
| 21:59.25 | Genolo | any fix |
| 21:59.36 | Jamash | ow my eyes |
| 21:59.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: /soothe |
| 22:00.04 | Dashkal | Oh good, #2 is better |
| 22:00.57 | Antiarc | Dashkal: Oh no, don't tell me you have people without it. |
| 22:00.59 | Dashkal | #3, no good... two out of three without and we have this nasty habit of taking two of them and a priest... |
| 22:01.06 | Antiarc | O_O |
| 22:01.10 | Dashkal | Definitely having a chat with the raid leader |
| 22:01.23 | Antiarc | What glyphs ARE they running? |
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| 22:01.33 | Dashkal | Divinity, Flash, Wisdom |
| 22:01.34 | Antiarc | Both light and wisdom or something? |
| 22:01.48 | Antiarc | Divinity is good, wisdom is good, but flash instead of HL? |
| 22:02.12 | Dashkal | Divinity/Holy/Attunement |
| 22:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | light > wisdom, imo, but thats probably personal preference. Divinity vs flash is probably an even trade off, but yeah, no HL? :P |
| 22:02.21 | Dashkal | Attunement I can understand on him. He's forever complaining about mana |
| 22:02.32 | Antiarc | I prefer wisdom over light. I rarely have a problem with heals not landing for enough :P |
| 22:02.39 | KarlKFI | Attunement only works for Prot.... |
| 22:02.40 | Antiarc | Errr |
| 22:02.45 | Antiarc | If he's attunement he's deep prot |
| 22:02.50 | Antiarc | WHich is basically instant fail |
| 22:03.05 | Dashkal | I'll throw a stick at him then. His offspec is prot. Prolly put it on the wrong side |
| 22:03.14 | Antiarc | Link? >_> |
| 22:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well, to be fair, he may not have reglyphed that |
| 22:03.20 | KarlKFI | or had it from before the dual spec |
| 22:03.25 | Dashkal | I can't bitch too much, my blood glyphs are no better (I still have oblit) |
| 22:03.42 | NightHawkTheSane | but, again, not reglyphing into at least wisdom is kinda fail. |
| 22:03.59 | KarlKFI | deepest you should go in prot for healing might be to get Divine Guardian... |
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| 22:04.28 | KarlKFI | and if you do you prolly can't get the ret run speed |
| 22:04.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't. |
| 22:04.50 | KarlKFI | Divine Guardian is a life safer for 002 tho |
| 22:04.54 | KarlKFI | saver* |
| 22:05.21 | KarlKFI | just have your pallies rotate divine sacrifice + divine shield |
| 22:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, if you go into divine guardian, you pretty much have to give up almost everything inr et. |
| 22:05.48 | KarlKFI | that's fine, you only really want ret for the run speed and mana redux |
| 22:06.20 | KarlKFI | only spell the redux counts for is your judgements/seals and shock as a healer |
| 22:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the 8% crit isn't too shabby |
| 22:06.38 | KarlKFI | from what, crusader? |
| 22:07.31 | NightHawkTheSane | conviction & sanctity of battle is 8% spell crit |
| 22:07.32 | KarlKFI | oh and conviction |
| 22:07.46 | NightHawkTheSane | if you don't pick up anything in prot, you can get both of those |
| 22:08.04 | KarlKFI | true |
| 22:08.30 | p3lim | can /use be used on items that doesnt have any usage? |
| 22:08.36 | p3lim | like, herbs |
| 22:08.38 | NightHawkTheSane | and having imp bom and crusader isn't terribad either, depending on raid comp, but thats pure utility |
| 22:08.41 | KarlKFI | spose that's nice, but I think DG is prolly more useful |
| 22:09.03 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, but it also seems more situational |
| 22:09.05 | kneeki | Ugghh! I really wish Carbonite was LoadOnDemand =( |
| 22:09.24 | KarlKFI | eliminating 40% of all raid dmg is pretty epic |
| 22:11.06 | p3lim | can PickupItem() be used somehow with GetMouseFocus()? |
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| 22:13.21 | bleeter | wtb: non-PuG server maint team for Bloodlust BG |
| 22:13.39 | NeoTron | aha |
| 22:13.44 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473611256&pageNo=3&sid=1#44 |
| 22:14.04 | bleeter | whoa |
| 22:14.05 | bleeter | lolol |
| 22:14.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah... |
| 22:15.01 | NightHawkTheSane | my guild's never going to kill algalon. |
| 22:15.43 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: wait until 3.2.5 patch where they (a) remove the lockout and (b) nerf his HP to hell and back ;) |
| 22:15.49 | Dashkal | Oh dear god it is per week. lame |
| 22:16.21 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: nah, to be honest, i seriously doubt that we'll clear the hard modes necessary anyway. |
| 22:16.40 | Mikk | Ulduar does seem to up the bar quite a bit from naxx yeah |
| 22:16.41 | Mikk | likes it |
| 22:16.45 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: the hard modes got nerfed in 3.2.2 :P |
| 22:16.50 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 22:16.56 | Mikk | Means our 9-hours-raiding-per-week guild will actually be busy for a while |
| 22:17.05 | p3lim | ok im having a few issues here, im trying to make an addon that works like oApplication, just for herbs and Milling |
| 22:17.20 | Mikk | 5 new bosses down in the first 9 hours still means it's too easy though :S |
| 22:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: i know you're from the australian future, but it hasn't happened yet, even for you :P |
| 22:17.29 | bleeter | my new guild turns out to be a totally disorganised bunch of anti-semites :s |
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| 22:17.55 | p3lim | here is my pastey http://pastey.net/112796 |
| 22:18.09 | kd3 | hm... looks like it's time for another UPS |
| 22:18.23 | kd3 | that's twice this week I've come home to it being off for no reason I'm aware of |
| 22:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: my 5-raid-hours-per-week guild will be busy for a long time. we wiped all last week to razorscale. |
| 22:18.35 | Mikk | 5 per week oO |
| 22:18.46 | p3lim | my current issue is that the frame wont react to :SetAllPoints(GetMouseOver()) |
| 22:18.50 | NightHawkTheSane | well, 5-6, we raid about 2.5-3 hours, two nights a week |
| 22:18.55 | p3lim | GetMouseFocus()* |
| 22:18.56 | NightHawkTheSane | (we're rather casual) |
| 22:19.07 | p3lim | anyone care to take a look? |
| 22:19.31 | AckisWork | wow blizzard's privacy e-mail is forwarded to their tech support dolts... wtf? |
| 22:20.18 | Mikk | kd3: that matches my experience with UPSes... they cause more downtime than they guard against :P |
| 22:23.44 | Maul__ | p3lim: You might want to check if GetMouseFocus() is returning anything first - local focus = GetMouseFocus() if (focus) then yada yada |
| 22:24.09 | p3lim | Maul__: i have tested it, it returns a table (which it should) |
| 22:25.40 | Maul__ | Hmm, seems my name grew a tail... |
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| 22:30.29 | kd3 | oh geez, fail |
| 22:30.41 | kd3 | 'launcher.worldofwarcraft.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again.' |
| 22:31.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I'm hoping the launcher on Vista patches better than it did for 3.1, I haven't been able to use the launcher since hten. |
| 22:31.52 | bleeter | kd3: they're saying they're performing rolling restarts |
| 22:32.04 | bleeter | kd3: my current main realm's been down for.. seems like at least 45 mins |
| 22:32.24 | bleeter | kd3: nothing mentioned in CSF or Service Status, just some random BLue post in General |
| 22:32.26 | p3lim | Maul__: just tested it with a dummy frame, worked just perfecly: http://pastey.net/112797 |
| 22:32.30 | Antiarc | They just took my realm down |
| 22:32.34 | Antiarc | Why are they restarting? |
| 22:32.38 | Antiarc | Someone find a massive exploit? |
| 22:32.39 | p3lim | Maul__: but I want it working with that button, not a dummy frame |
| 22:32.45 | bleeter | Antiarc: talent points are still fucked up |
| 22:32.56 | bleeter | Antiarc: at least on Bloddlust realm, and was lagging to hell.. dunno about elsewhere |
| 22:33.20 | Antiarc | If only there were an established testing methodology to prevent functionality regressions from reaching live deployments! |
| 22:33.34 | bleeter | Antiarc: you could probably make some $$ from that |
| 22:33.38 | kd3 | gasp. such a thing exists? |
| 22:33.41 | kd3 | inconceivable! |
| 22:33.45 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: Yours worked before 3.1? Better than mine. I haven't had any success since 3.0 |
| 22:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | 3.0 was okay, 3.1 and it died-ed. |
| 22:35.32 | Hirsute | ... Did the Addon User's Bill of Rights thread get deleted, or just drop off the first couple of pages? |
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| 22:35.35 | kamdis | my launcher works fine...or did up through last night. |
| 22:35.42 | kamdis | :\ |
| 22:35.52 | Antiarc | It got deleted and I got a 72 hour ban for it, lulz. |
| 22:36.00 | Hirsute | ... really? |
| 22:36.01 | bleeter | ouchies |
| 22:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ouchies, Antiarc. *hug* |
| 22:36.11 | Antiarc | Because I am apparently more of a troll than the rest of the mouthbreathers on the front page. |
| 22:36.11 | Lopeppeppy | Whyfor? |
| 22:36.12 | kd3 | antiarc... ! |
| 22:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: have to say you had it coming -- though, worth it? |
| 22:36.13 | Maul__ | p3lim: are you able to make your button show/work if attached to a dummy frame? |
| 22:36.14 | Antiarc | Meh, I don't care :P |
| 22:36.19 | Antiarc | Easily worth it. |
| 22:36.20 | kamdis | was that your thread antiarc? |
| 22:36.23 | Antiarc | yes |
| 22:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 22:36.26 | Hirsute | Some CM must have had someone pee in their granola this morning. |
| 22:36.35 | kamdis | cheers at Antiarc. |
| 22:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | How is what Antiarc said any worse than the trolls for WoWMatrix? |
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| 22:36.50 | Hirsute | It isn't. |
| 22:36.51 | bleeter | Antiarc: did you save it offsite before it vanished? |
| 22:36.51 | p3lim | Maul__: no, the dummy frame has nothing to do with it, it just proves my point that it works, just not for what I want it to :p |
| 22:36.55 | bleeter | wishes he'd read it now |
| 22:36.56 | Antiarc | Lopeppeppy: Because I posted a thread titled "The AddOn Users' Bill of Rights" |
| 22:36.59 | Hirsute | Except maybe that it was more intelligent. |
| 22:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | So? |
| 22:37.04 | Antiarc | And the text of the post was [This space intentionally left blank] |
| 22:37.12 | Antiarc | And that was apparently banworthy! |
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| 22:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: because one rails directly against Blizzard, the other is entirely unrelated |
| 22:37.21 | Maul__ | I know that, but I am thinking maybe your button frame is attaching, but it is just not displaying as you expect it to :) |
| 22:37.56 | Antiarc | Meh. Not a huge deal to me either way. Being banned is good for productivity anyhow :P |
| 22:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 22:38.05 | Antiarc | *grin* |
| 22:38.13 | Antiarc | Being banned from IRC would be far worse! |
| 22:38.24 | Antiarc | Because I actually care about talking to you guys |
| 22:38.24 | Maul__ | p3lim: Is the idea just to create a sparkly box that you can click on, without any other textures? |
| 22:38.42 | bleeter | well, friend of mine's being told by the forum software that he's banned.. but he's not posted in ages, hasn't got an email... he figures the reason he's banned is 'because our forum software is fucked' and is now crafting an email to blizz asking whether this is correct =)) |
| 22:38.50 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: thats not right at all |
| 22:38.54 | p3lim | Maul__: yes |
| 22:39.11 | p3lim | button doesnt work, spark frame is not where it should be |
| 22:39.25 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: If I actually cared about the forums, and didn't use them as a way to burn time, I'd be more distraught. |
| 22:39.31 | Antiarc | I don't go there for intelligent discourse. |
| 22:39.41 | Antiarc | That's what IRC is for! |
| 22:39.46 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: I didn't see it as a rail on Blizzard, but on the entitlement-complex ass monkeys who are throwing fits in all the WoWMatrix threads. |
| 22:39.52 | Antiarc | ^-- |
| 22:40.04 | kamdis | Yes, me too. |
| 22:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Ignore the wowmatrix part, think about the UI policy change, and then stick yourself in a forum moderator's shoes |
| 22:40.30 | p3lim | Maul__: i just converted that dummy frame into a button, set the attributes for the macro, now it doesnt move at all |
| 22:40.41 | bleeter | I was in /trade the other day... 'WTS To Blizz: Renewed Sense of Humour'.. I was told they couldn't buy it coz it'd break the gold cap |
| 22:40.54 | Antiarc | I can see how a moderator would interpret it as an attack on Blizzard |
| 22:41.08 | Antiarc | But no, it was just an attack on the self-entitled assmonkeys plaguing their forums. |
| 22:41.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly I thought the thread was about the UI policy |
| 22:41.24 | Antiarc | No, it was about the wowmatrix tards |
| 22:41.27 | amro | Antiarc: imo someone reported it and a clueless mod picked it up |
| 22:41.36 | Antiarc | Who apparently have decided that their convenience is more important than anything an author cares about |
| 22:41.36 | bleeter | the moderation I enjoy is when I need to know stuff about small social groups in the USA who've never made Australian TV |
| 22:41.42 | Shadowed | they should delete the UI and Macros forum |
| 22:41.45 | Shadowed | for a month |
| 22:41.46 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: I suppose I can see that. I'm one of those authors who doesn't have huge issues with the UI policy, and had finals during that time, so I forget how much of a wide-spread fuss it caused. |
| 22:41.49 | Antiarc | The wow forums moderation is a joke |
| 22:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: whooo finals |
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| 22:42.03 | Antiarc | There's someone that has been reporting every post by people in my guild for the past two months |
| 22:42.10 | p3lim | Maul__: ok I found the culprit, but not a solution |
| 22:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | Neat harassment tactic. |
| 22:42.13 | Antiarc | And they regularly get 72-hour timeouts for utterly benign stuff |
| 22:42.14 | Hirsute | Except that I went right back to school after the finals. |
| 22:42.22 | Antiarc | The mods don't even look at the content, I'm convinced |
| 22:42.28 | Antiarc | They just go through the list hitting the "ban" button. |
| 22:42.30 | p3lim | Maul__: it was the template I use in CreateFrame() |
| 22:42.39 | p3lim | Maul__: 'SecureActionButtonTemplate' |
| 22:43.39 | Adys | Antiarc: now I dont know the details Ive just been told pretty much what happened but |
| 22:43.52 | Adys | honestly I'd have banned you aswell, trolling is trolling |
| 22:43.56 | Adys | mods dont have to take a stance |
| 22:44.05 | amro | it's not a stance |
| 22:44.08 | Antiarc | Meh, I'm not arguing it at alll. |
| 22:44.20 | Antiarc | I'm just saying I think moderation in general is severely lacking :P |
| 22:44.22 | amro | it's a different way of saying mod users have no rights |
| 22:44.35 | Adys | Im not saying you're arguing, just saying I understand the blizz forum mods |
| 22:44.38 | Hirsute | Adys: I think it was a dumb thing to ban over, particularly when they tolerate so much other, worse, trolling. |
| 22:44.51 | Adys | no one said they tolerate anything |
| 22:44.57 | Hirsute | They certainly do. |
| 22:44.58 | End | they tolerate plenty |
| 22:45.00 | Adys | No |
| 22:45.06 | Hirsute | Look at all the WoWMatrix threads that haven't been deleted. |
| 22:45.12 | amro | exactly |
| 22:45.17 | Hirsute | They tolerate a *lot* |
| 22:45.19 | Adys | has antiarc's post been deleted? |
| 22:45.22 | amro | yes |
| 22:45.26 | Hirsute | The whole thread, yes. |
| 22:45.31 | Adys | have the WM posts been reported? |
| 22:45.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, some of them. |
| 22:45.37 | Hirsute | Yes. |
| 22:45.57 | Adys | link me a clear troll post that's been reported and not been deleted please |
| 22:46.29 | Adys | I clean up the mmoc forums and honestly I got a lot of compassion for the wow forum mods, it's hell |
| 22:46.36 | Maul__ | p3lim: you know, I don't know if it matters, but if your code is a direct copy I do not see a comma in 'SecureActionButtonTemplate AutoCastShineTemplate' try a comma between the templates if it is not in your lua |
| 22:46.49 | Lopeppeppy | I can't log in, or I would, Adys... |
| 22:46.51 | Antiarc | I've modded large forums before, so I'm hardly ignorant to the mindset. |
| 22:47.04 | Adys | have you modded forums of a big company? |
| 22:47.12 | p3lim | Maul__: im trying without the AutoCastShineTemplate right now, still wont work |
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| 22:47.16 | Adys | if you start deleting "subtle trolling", people will screenshot that, take it as a "OMG BLIZZARD THINKS <that>" |
| 22:47.18 | Antiarc | No, just hobby stuff, though I do moderate the content of my -own- company :P |
| 22:47.36 | p3lim | Maul__: http://pastey.net/112798 |
| 22:47.40 | amro | Adys: I'd say antiarc's post was subtle |
| 22:47.49 | Adys | I'd say it wasnt |
| 22:47.55 | Adys | the joke was subtle |
| 22:47.59 | Adys | the trolling part wasnt |
| 22:48.06 | Antiarc | My post was snarky. It really wasn't trolling. |
| 22:48.08 | amro | the joke went wooosh over the mod's head |
| 22:48.12 | amro | who proceeded to hit the ban button |
| 22:48.17 | Antiarc | It wasn't intended to rile people up, it was intended to make a point. |
| 22:48.17 | Adys | so? |
| 22:48.21 | amro | it was a perfectly legitimate post |
| 22:48.26 | Adys | I've deleted funny posts on mmoc because they were inciting trolling |
| 22:48.34 | amro | it didn't incite any trolling |
| 22:48.39 | Adys | oh come on |
| 22:48.49 | amro | you didn't read the thread |
| 22:48.57 | Adys | you pasted me it |
| 22:49.09 | amro | just the OP, not the thread |
| 22:49.13 | Adys | Im saying with what I know, that i'd have done the same |
| 22:49.29 | amro | you'd have also cleaned up the rest of the trolling |
| 22:49.39 | p3lim | Maul__: as soon as I add the inherit into CreateFrame() the frame doesnt move |
| 22:49.41 | amro | but blizzard hasn't, which leaves this ban in bad taste |
| 22:49.48 | Adys | deleting a thread is a lot easier, honestly |
| 22:50.03 | Adys | I'm totally with you all on the WM/etc issue but you gotta see things both ways |
| 22:50.04 | amro | yeah, the other trolls had threads too |
| 22:50.09 | Hirsute | Huh. Looks like they actually did just delete a bunch of the worst threads. |
| 22:50.17 | mikma | who pressed the restart servers -button again? |
| 22:50.27 | Antiarc | The "OSL for everyone!" thread is still around :V |
| 22:50.34 | Antiarc | That's not even subtle trolling. |
| 22:50.38 | amro | exactly |
| 22:50.40 | Adys | report it then |
| 22:51.16 | amro | regardless, antiarc's post wasn't trolling. it certainly wasn't ban worthy |
| 22:51.26 | Adys | you cant decide that |
| 22:51.27 | mikma | ~wowaöert |
| 22:51.29 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 22:51.30 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 22:51.52 | amro | Adys: you can? |
| 22:52.04 | Hirsute | mikma: Your first language not English? |
| 22:52.04 | mikma | this has got the be the most broken patch they have ever added :I |
| 22:52.07 | Adys | No, I'm stating my opinion |
| 22:52.12 | Shirik | lol, the latest gold spam ads on my server |
| 22:52.13 | mikma | hirsute: finnish |
| 22:52.15 | Adys | im not saying "you should/shouldn't have done this" |
| 22:52.19 | Shirik | they abbreviate themselves as "ssex" |
| 22:52.20 | amro | what am I doing here? singing an anthem?> |
| 22:52.25 | Hirsute | I was wondering how you ended up with that typo |
| 22:52.27 | mikma | hirsute: did the ö gave me away? |
| 22:52.35 | Hirsute | mikma: Yes. |
| 22:52.42 | mikma | asdfghjklöä |
| 22:52.49 | mikma | see, it's next to l :) |
| 22:52.50 | Adys | on the reporting issue, I remember deleting a 4-page thread on mmoc general forum |
| 22:52.54 | Adys | the OP was a goldseller |
| 22:52.56 | Hirsute | I was about to say, "How in the world did you get that typo?" and then went, "I bet he's using a non-US keyboard layout" |
| 22:52.58 | Shirik | you have letters next to l o.o |
| 22:53.02 | Adys | 4 pages of whining "WTF are the mods doing" |
| 22:53.07 | Adys | NO ONE reported it |
| 22:53.39 | Adys | I was tempted to ban everyone who posted in it for bumping bullshit without reporting |
| 22:53.42 | mikma | shirik: yah :) |
| 22:53.50 | *** join/#wowuidev kluge (n=dsquare@S0106001b1168ce28.va.shawcable.net) |
| 22:54.06 | Stanzilla | klöä# |
| 22:54.10 | p3lim | Maul__: ok, this is VERY odd, it wont work on items that are in the original backpack, just in new bags |
| 22:54.14 | p3lim | aka container0 |
| 22:54.24 | mikma | qwertyuiopå¨ > asdfghjklöä' > <zxcvbnm,.- |
| 22:54.31 | mikma | there's my keyboard :D |
| 22:54.32 | Adys | your layouts suck |
| 22:54.52 | Adys | mikma: http://devcub.com/~adys/devrix.c |
| 22:54.56 | Adys | i think i linked you that tho |
| 22:54.56 | mikma | adys: BOFH |
| 22:55.18 | Adys | Bastard Operator From Hell? |
| 22:55.25 | mikma | ya |
| 22:55.41 | Adys | In the stories the BOFH also spent a brief amount of time as a Bastard System Manager From Hell (BSMFH) â however, this has failed to pass into common online parlance. |
| 22:55.47 | Adys | he's failed the test |
| 22:55.48 | Adys | damn |
| 22:55.57 | mikma | adys: now, why did i get the honor of this c-file? |
| 22:56.10 | Adys | that's my layout you insolent jerk |
| 22:56.22 | mikma | oh snap! |
| 22:56.24 | mikma | gz |
| 22:56.32 | Adys | USE IT >:( |
| 22:56.45 | mikma | don't need it! |
| 22:56.51 | mikma | i got my precious FI layout |
| 22:56.54 | Adys | you dont know that yet |
| 22:57.07 | Adys | how will the girls react when they'll notice you can do that⦠|
| 22:57.08 | Antiarc | http://f.imagehost.org/0902/2009-04-21_0858.png |
| 22:57.09 | Antiarc | Wow. |
| 22:57.10 | Antiarc | Wow. |
| 22:57.20 | Antiarc | "Hi, here's a spam to beg you to opt in to our spam" |
| 22:57.47 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.50 | Adys | Antiarc: NSFW tag next time, thanks |
| 22:58.05 | Adys | (notice how half the channel just clicked the link) |
| 22:58.14 | mikma | antiarc: PUHLEEZ enable our spams! |
| 22:58.14 | Antiarc | Are you being sarcastic or did I mislink to something NSFW? |
| 22:58.25 | amro | Antiarc: they gave you a free sample |
| 22:58.38 | Adys | Antiarc: is that hotmail inbox? |
| 22:58.40 | Codayus | Heh |
| 22:58.52 | Antiarc | Adys: I'm not sure, someone else's image |
| 22:58.55 | mikma | adys: way to get attention to stupid urls |
| 22:59.01 | Adys | mikma: thanks \o/ |
| 22:59.03 | Codayus | Yeah, Antiarc's link is kinda NSFW now that you mention it... |
| 22:59.16 | Adys | Antiarc: hotmail inbox = you get what you asked for (spam) |
| 22:59.20 | Adys | and yeah |
| 22:59.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: erwat @ that image |
| 22:59.22 | mikma | adys: like, INTERNET PORN LOOK LOOK! http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/oh_snap.jpg |
| 22:59.24 | bleeter | All emails I get from MS to my Live account automatically get filtered to Spam |
| 22:59.25 | Adys | hotmail IS nsfw |
| 22:59.30 | mikma | tekkub: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/oh_snap.jpg |
| 22:59.34 | ScytheBlade1 | "We want to spam you, please allow us to do so!" |
| 22:59.39 | bleeter | hopefully if enough others keep trying to train hotmail that MS is spam... |
| 22:59.47 | Adys | mikma: you just linked it to tekkub, should I look? |
| 22:59.55 | mikma | adys: if you like bears |
| 22:59.56 | tekkub | heh |
| 23:00.02 | Adys | .. should I click? |
| 23:00.08 | mikma | well tekkub said 'heh' |
| 23:00.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's fine, Adys. |
| 23:00.12 | mikma | think about it. |
| 23:00.20 | Adys | IM NOT CLICKING :( |
| 23:00.24 | Adys | Im saving to my desktop |
| 23:00.30 | Adys | and checking it out later |
| 23:00.41 | Codayus | Heh |
| 23:01.11 | mikma | adys: or like.... "OH http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/snap.jpg !" |
| 23:01.23 | Adys | ouch |
| 23:02.17 | Hirsute | ow. |
| 23:02.20 | Hirsute | That happened to me. |
| 23:02.36 | Hirsute | I was on crutches and essentially in a cast for about 3 months, then in a splint for 3 more. |
| 23:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ow indeed |
| 23:03.37 | Hirsute | That was 10 years ago, and that ankle's still unstable. :( |
| 23:04.24 | Maul__ | p3lim: that is weird...maybe look at how the main backpack is handling the tooltip |
| 23:08.16 | p3lim | Maul__: maybe |
| 23:12.19 | p3lim | Maul__: if I only found out what lua/xml file blizzard has their bag stuff in id take a look |
| 23:12.22 | p3lim | cant seem to find it |
| 23:12.49 | p3lim | nevermind, container was the name i was looking for |
| 23:16.37 | *** join/#wowuidev lucky (n=lucky@unaffiliated/lucky) |
| 23:16.45 | Thunder_Child | is a dru in bear form supposed to do 4k dps? |
| 23:17.07 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Of course! |
| 23:17.15 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 23:17.22 | lucky | Hm, would a mod which grabs all the items in the mailbox automatically be a ToS violation? |
| 23:17.23 | Thunder_Child | i only ask becuse the one in this group is |
| 23:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | lucky, Postal does something similar, so no. |
| 23:18.07 | kd3 | lucky, nope. go right ahead. there should be a few mods that do that already |
| 23:18.19 | lucky | i know, i found one, i was just a bit worried :P |
| 23:18.31 | kd3 | if you can do it with the API blizz has provided, it's not a ToS violation outside of a few well-known exceptions |
| 23:18.36 | kd3 | say, cross-faction communication |
| 23:19.49 | Hirsute | How is cross-faction communication accomplished with the built-in API? |
| 23:20.06 | Legorol | it doesn't need the API |
| 23:20.06 | kd3 | it isn't. just if it were possible, it'd still be against the ToS |
| 23:20.09 | Legorol | you just do it |
| 23:20.17 | Legorol | it is possible kd3 :o) |
| 23:20.27 | kd3 | whistles innocently |
| 23:20.48 | Hirsute | Legorol: Hrmmm. Now my curiosity is peaked. |
| 23:20.52 | Hirsute | s/peaked/piqued/ |
| 23:20.55 | Antiarc | x-faction comms are very possible |
| 23:21.02 | Antiarc | All you need is a means of representing numbers. |
| 23:21.20 | Antiarc | So, Blizzard just banned it. |
| 23:21.23 | Thunder_Child | i have not yet figured out why blizz simply hasent made it random |
| 23:21.34 | Antiarc | flavor, I guess |
| 23:21.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Greywolf65 (n=Greywolf@CPE-24-167-217-60.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 23:21.59 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: even random doesn't prevent it |
| 23:22.05 | theorbtwo | If you make it random, it quickly looks like gobldeygook, rather then a language you don't know. |
| 23:22.09 | Legorol | I won't go into the details of how you can accomplish it |
| 23:22.10 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 23:22.17 | theorbtwo | ...and you can learn a few words of it. |
| 23:22.23 | Thunder_Child | Legorol, you could, but wouldnt it take a massive db? |
| 23:22.30 | Legorol | but basically as long as you can transfer some information, anything, any triviality, you can use that as binary encoding |
| 23:22.31 | Antiarc | Think about how ships used to communicate, and you'll realize that it's not that hard :P |
| 23:22.36 | Antiarc | ^-- |
| 23:22.49 | theorbtwo | I'm told that "kek" is wrong-faction for "lol", for example. |
| 23:22.57 | lucky | it is possible. |
| 23:22.59 | Legorol | cross faction comm doesn't rely on translation |
| 23:23.05 | Legorol | it's totally irrelevant what the words translate to |
| 23:23.11 | lucky | certain phrases turn into other things fairly reliably. |
| 23:23.13 | End | BUR |
| 23:23.24 | lucky | you could thus, in theory, devise some sort of coding mechanism for /say or whatever plus a decoder |
| 23:23.27 | Legorol | addons that help cross faction comm just simply use any of the reliable properties of the obfuscation to transmit information |
| 23:23.30 | theorbtwo | Legorol: It doesn't if you do it mechanically, relying on the other side to play along. |
| 23:23.40 | Greywolf65 | I'm having trouble getting my variables to save to savedvariablesperchar... they reset every time I logout and log back in. Can anyone lend me a hand? |
| 23:23.43 | lucky | heck, just kek + anything else in patterns could convey anything |
| 23:23.59 | Legorol | yah |
| 23:24.03 | theorbtwo | The point is that Blizzard want it to work like a language you don't know, rather then just randomness. |
| 23:24.13 | theorbtwo | If they wanted randomness, that'd be easy enough to achieve. |
| 23:24.20 | Legorol | i have an addon i wrote during the original US beta back in 2004 that allows cross faction comm which still works today |
| 23:24.25 | lucky | the actual result of that would look *extremely* odd though and you'd probably have a GM on you within minutes. |
| 23:24.25 | Legorol | obviously i don't use it |
| 23:24.38 | foxlit|mac | Greywolf65: restart the WoW client after altering your .toc file. |
| 23:24.42 | Hirsute | Legorol: Aye, I was under the impression that the representation the opposite faction saw was random junk. Didn't realize it was an actual representation of what was said. |
| 23:24.44 | *** join/#wowuidev ecstasia (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 23:24.52 | foxlit|mac | ~seen foxlit |
| 23:24.55 | purl | foxlit <n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2h 8m 26s ago, saying: 'Hm, lua popen and working directory'. |
| 23:24.55 | Legorol | Hirsute: it is pretty random |
| 23:24.55 | Antiarc | It sort of is, sort of isn't. |
| 23:24.55 | lucky | there's a transformation applied |
| 23:24.58 | Legorol | Hirsute: i think you are still not understanding it |
| 23:25.08 | Greywolf65 | oh right let me try it foxlit |
| 23:25.12 | Antiarc | It's not a 1:1 translation |
| 23:25.12 | Greywolf65 | brb |
| 23:25.14 | Antiarc | But it's not random, either |
| 23:25.15 | Legorol | Hirsute: there is sufficient information preserved (i won't state what that information is) that you can use it to encode a message |
| 23:25.25 | lucky | best I can tell from it, words of specific lengths get assigned another word of the same length, randomly. |
| 23:25.37 | Legorol | it doesn't matter whether the word translation is random or not, that's not the information i'm using to encode a message |
| 23:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lucky: wrong, some words translate into different length words |
| 23:25.54 | Legorol | aye, as ScytheBlade1 says |
| 23:25.56 | lucky | meh, just include a checksum :P |
| 23:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | simple proof of this, say "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" in chat and the person on the other faction will see spaces |
| 23:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | well, not JUST spaces |
| 23:26.50 | Legorol | bottom line: the "translation" process doesn't remove all information, although it does include a lot of randomness. |
| 23:27.01 | Legorol | thre are branches of computer science dealing with information theory |
| 23:27.04 | Hirsute | Legorol: But there is a consistent representation of what was said, even if not letter to letter or word to word, it may not be what someone would expect, but it's there. |
| 23:27.19 | Legorol | the WoW cross-faction translator is a very noisy line, but preserves sufficient info to allow encoding |
| 23:27.23 | Hirsute | If it was completely random there'd be no way to decode a message, as far as I can tell. |
| 23:27.28 | Antiarc | The point is that there's enough consistence to enable x-faction comms, so it's just plain disallowed |
| 23:27.28 | Legorol | absolutely |
| 23:27.36 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 23:27.45 | Legorol | Hirsute: as i said, it's not about word-translation consistency |
| 23:27.56 | Legorol | i don't need to know what "hi" translates to to get a message across |
| 23:28.02 | lucky | if there's *any* representation of the original message in any way, you could in theory develop a means to convey communication. |
| 23:28.15 | Hirsute | Legorol: *nod* I understand that. |
| 23:28.16 | Legorol | lucky: it's more than that actually |
| 23:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lucky: pratical limits apply too |
| 23:28.30 | lucky | true |
| 23:28.30 | Hirsute | I may not be expressing it well, but I'm following the general principle. |
| 23:28.38 | lucky | you can't spam 400 KB of /say to convey 3 words :P |
| 23:28.41 | Legorol | if there is *any* property of the resulting message that's derived from teh original string, then you can use that property to encode a message |
| 23:28.53 | theorbtwo | ...if you know what that property is. |
| 23:28.57 | Legorol | yup |
| 23:29.00 | lucky | yupyup. |
| 23:29.04 | Hirsute | *nod* yes, that's as I understood it. |
| 23:29.10 | Legorol | and the WoW method certainly has many properties that are obviously derived from the original string |
| 23:29.21 | lucky | i think the horde understand most of what i intend with /emotes and so on, anyway :P |
| 23:29.30 | Legorol | ^ that |
| 23:29.31 | Codayus | Mmm, even if it completely randomized the message, just the presence of a message is information of a sort. Check every second, if something has been said it's a 1, if not it's a 0. Not very practicable. :-) |
| 23:29.32 | Legorol | and that's how it should |
| 23:29.54 | Legorol | aye, as codayus said, you can just rely on timing signals if you want |
| 23:29.54 | Hirsute | Again, I may not have expressed that understanding well, but I follow the basic idea. |
| 23:29.59 | Legorol | synchronize to external clock |
| 23:30.10 | theorbtwo | Codayus: ...and synchronize your clocks by /salute at the beginning of message, and /rude at the end. |
| 23:30.17 | Legorol | rofl |
| 23:30.20 | lucky | yep |
| 23:30.25 | lucky | a series of emotes actually would do it. |
| 23:30.28 | Legorol | that's another thing, emotes |
| 23:30.29 | Legorol | yup |
| 23:30.33 | lucky | there's considerable information in those |
| 23:30.37 | Legorol | there are millions of ways of achieving it basically |
| 23:30.43 | Hirsute | They obfuscate all but the built-in emotes, don't they? |
| 23:30.43 | Legorol | that's why they banned it |
| 23:30.44 | Codayus | Yes, using emotes for in-game sync would be good, and using other emotes to add "bits" per clock cycle would be better. |
| 23:30.46 | lucky | though i suspect blizz has already considered this and has a rate limiter |
| 23:31.06 | Legorol | lucky: i would bet that blizz has't considered this specifically |
| 23:31.08 | theorbtwo | Hell, just bang out 6-bit ASCII with 0 as rude and 1 as salute. |
| 23:31.08 | Antiarc | There is a rate limiter, yes |
| 23:31.15 | lucky | theorbtwo: exactly. |
| 23:31.15 | Legorol | but they have a rate limiter in general, to stop you from spamming the hell out of the servers |
| 23:31.20 | DWSR | wtf are the rolling restarts for? |
| 23:31.36 | Legorol | DWSR: i'd love to know as wel |
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| 23:31.43 | Antiarc | Wow. Shadowbane is finally dead. |
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| 23:31.46 | Hirsute | DWSR: to fox what they broke during maintenance today? |
| 23:31.52 | DWSR | what did they break? |
| 23:32.00 | DWSR | I r teh confuzed. |
| 23:32.03 | Hirsute | I don't know, I didn't get to log in yet. |
| 23:32.11 | Hirsute | I was being trite. |
| 23:32.12 | Kirov | There's one cross faction addon I know of that still works that abuses the obsfucation to encode morse code. |
| 23:32.22 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 23:32.25 | lucky | theorbtwo: except if you account for all the emotes, each plaintext character is probably only going to be 1 or 2 emotes, especially if you use a huffman code |
| 23:32.34 | Codayus | You could encode messages via jumping, with addons to help the process. Type your message, addon tells you when to jump. Other player watches the jumps, clicks a button when he sees one, addon tells him the message. |
| 23:32.46 | lucky | but that's starting to get too technical and i'm half-considering implementing this just to see if it could be done. |
| 23:32.47 | lucky | bad lucky. |
| 23:32.49 | lucky | smacks himself. |
| 23:32.51 | theorbtwo | They almost certianly won't tell you what they broke until after they've fixed it on all the servers. |
| 23:33.04 | Kirov | Codayus - or, you know, they could just join the same vent server. |
| 23:33.15 | Codayus | Kirov: ....quiet. |
| 23:33.17 | lucky | heh |
| 23:33.19 | Hirsute | Kirov: Boo, you make it too easy! |
| 23:33.23 | foxlit|mac | Codayus: enjoy your 1 bit / second throughput! |
| 23:33.24 | lucky | that requires prior outside communication already anyway. |
| 23:33.31 | Lopeppeppy | Remember, cross-faction communication is specifically prohibited... just use Vent. :) |
| 23:33.53 | Kirov | But if you're getting down to watching people jump and manually inputting the results ... fuck |
| 23:33.55 | lucky | didnt the foresaken used to be able to understand common |
| 23:33.59 | AbsolutRayne | Blah |
| 23:34.02 | lucky | wayyyy back in beta? |
| 23:34.03 | Kirov | There's some prior colluding going on there |
| 23:34.14 | Hirsute | ... I read "forsaken" as "foreskin" |
| 23:34.18 | Lopeppeppy | lucky, doesn't matter. It's specifically prohibited in the ToS/EULA. Don't mess with that. |
| 23:34.23 | Codayus | Frankly, the language barrier is fairly odd. |
| 23:34.34 | Hirsute | <--In his Reproductive organ system section at school. |
| 23:34.38 | Codayus | NPCs have no problems, you'll notice. |
| 23:34.45 | lucky | Lopeppeppy: hm? |
| 23:34.57 | foxlit|mac | "Speek bloody Common, will ya'?" |
| 23:35.07 | Lopeppeppy | lucky, if you're talking about cross-faction communication in WoW? Or did I miss something? |
| 23:35.21 | Jamash | lucky: cross-faction communications by any in-game means is specifically prohibited |
| 23:35.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Maul (n=chatzill@71.16.45.228) |
| 23:35.34 | lucky | Lopeppeppy: as a purely theoretical exercise about the information carrying potential of the channel provided :P |
| 23:35.42 | lucky | Lopeppeppy: most certainly i wouldn't actually do it :P |
| 23:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | Well, just a friendly reminder, we don't even theorycraft in this channel about things that break the ToS/EULA. All y'all should know better. |
| 23:36.31 | Greywolf65 | so I have this savedvariablepercharacter called ShabbaSettings, and I've been able to set stuff like ShabbaSettings[realm][player].nightfall = true ... and also been able to use it in an IF statement... |
| 23:36.35 | Greywolf65 | but its not saving! |
| 23:36.36 | Hirsute | goes and stands in the corner. |
| 23:36.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Aznamir (n=aznamir@ool-43544a0d.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:36.42 | Greywolf65 | any tips? |
| 23:36.46 | Lopeppeppy | will let Hirsute out after 2 minutes. |
| 23:36.50 | Antiarc | Greywolf65: You have it set as a savedvar in your TOC? |
| 23:36.56 | Kirov | Now, the real question you have to ask is how do you facilitate cross faction communication in a way that isn't easily recognizable as such? ie: no spamming emotes, or giant unintelligable lines of text. |
| 23:37.00 | theorbtwo | Sowwy, Lopeppeppy. |
| 23:37.02 | Hirsute | It was so interesting, though. I'll be good. |
| 23:37.02 | AbsolutRayne | Servers are still way too laggy :/ |
| 23:37.03 | Greywolf65 | I have ShabbaSettings as a savedvariablepercharacter |
| 23:37.21 | Hirsute | You know what I discovered the other day? |
| 23:37.22 | theorbtwo | Kirov: Start with a known markov model. |
| 23:37.27 | Hirsute | (said from the corner) |
| 23:37.35 | lucky | Lopeppeppy: i should? i've never been in this channel before. |
| 23:37.41 | Antiarc | Make sure it's SavedVariablesPerCharacter, variables is plural |
| 23:37.46 | AbsolutRayne | Cant even dismount from my damn horse >_< |
| 23:37.50 | theorbtwo | Normally, you start with a startword, then pull some random numbers to decide where to go from there. |
| 23:37.53 | lucky | Lopeppeppy: and it didn't seem to be something self-evident. |
| 23:37.57 | theorbtwo | Do it non-randomly. |
| 23:38.10 | Hirsute | If you have a per-character SV file in place for an addon that is set for per-account, the game will read the per character file on login, but write to the per account file on logout. |
| 23:38.11 | Torhal | Antiarc: This describes the OP of the OSI thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words |
| 23:38.13 | lucky | Lopeppeppy: sorry. |
| 23:38.21 | Greywolf65 | Antiarc.. yeah it checks out OK |
| 23:38.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: sounds like a bug.. |
| 23:38.38 | Antiarc | Are you resetting your variable after it's been loaded from the savedvars on addon load? |
| 23:38.44 | Dashkal | Sometimes I hate Blizzard (the company)... *sigh* |
| 23:38.47 | Antiarc | Like, initializing it after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 23:38.57 | theorbtwo | Hm. On the other hand, that assumes you can perfectly decode the filtering, which rather belies the point. |
| 23:39.22 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8207-RaynesBurntBlackCherryLite.html#comments Does the latest comment make sense to anyone :? |
| 23:39.25 | theorbtwo | ...but it'd still work if you make sure you don't have conflicts of the same lenght. |
| 23:39.40 | theorbtwo | Oh, damn, I'm still theorycrafting about things that would break the ToS. |
| 23:40.04 | Hirsute | I discovered it because I had an addon that was initially per-character, then I changed it to per-account. It seemed not to "save" new settings, but then I looked at the per-account file, and they were saved, but the old settings were being read from the character SV folder. |
| 23:40.53 | Greywolf65 | Antiarc: hrm no I don't think so.... I have it set up so that on event ADDON_LOADED it attempts to initialize the variables.. i.e. if (not ShabbaSettings) then ShabbaSettings = {} |
| 23:40.59 | Maul | p3lim: something about those main bag buttons is preventing or clearing set point calls, it is strange, I tried all sorts of ways to get it to work, nothing...then again it is probably something simple I'm overlooking :) |
| 23:41.10 | Greywolf65 | and so on... |
| 23:41.18 | Antiarc | Just initialize it at the top of your file, when it's parsed |
| 23:41.23 | Antiarc | local ShabbaSettings = {} |
| 23:41.25 | lucky | Lopeppeppy: there's also no posted rules |
| 23:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, he's saying that his kgpanels don't look like yours, no fading at the edges. |
| 23:41.36 | Antiarc | That'll get overwritten by loaded data later on if there is any |
| 23:41.37 | p3lim | Maul: thanks for looking though :) |
| 23:41.46 | Antiarc | I guess that shouldn't be local though |
| 23:41.55 | Jamash | Maul! |
| 23:41.56 | Maul | p3lim: np...but now it is bothering me :P |
| 23:42.04 | p3lim | Maul: :p |
| 23:42.12 | p3lim | Maul: let me know if you find out a solution |
| 23:42.22 | Maul | hiya :) |
| 23:42.38 | p3lim | I will release this addon tomorrow tho, regardless if the backback issue is fixed or not |
| 23:42.52 | Greywolf65 | Antiarc... I'll try it. |
| 23:43.20 | Jamash | I have a user request for macaroon support in my addon and I'm trying to figure out if there's a simple way to iterate through all the user's active macros (macros that are currently assigned to active buttons) |
| 23:43.24 | Greywolf65 | What about stuff like if (not ShabbaSettings[realm][char].decimation) then ShabbaSettings[realm][char].decimation = default_decimation |
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| 23:43.53 | Maul | p3lim: well, one way to try is to create your own frames to attach to over the main bag buttons, just don't enable the mouse on them and they should click through...but that is a work-around |
| 23:43.55 | aesir | Ackis: re 1717, I think I'll protest. |
| 23:44.25 | p3lim | Maul: its a work-around yes, not a fix :p |
| 23:44.49 | foxlit|mac | Antiarc: local ShabbaSettings = {} << "local" |
| 23:45.00 | Antiarc | remove "local" |
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| 23:46.11 | Greywolf65 | I'll try it--tho I don't know why I would declare the variable if it's supposed to be the globally saved variable |
| 23:46.12 | Thunder_Child | anyone know an addon that unequips a fishing rod on joining a group? i just did all of H UP with it :( |
| 23:46.33 | Jamash | I dunno about grouping but Outfitter unequips my fishing rod when I enter combat |
| 23:46.39 | p3lim | im off to bed atleast, gnite |
| 23:46.43 | Antiarc | Greywolf65: Because it initializes it before variables are loaded from saved vars. It's like a default. |
| 23:47.06 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Awesome! Unfortunately, I don't know of such an addon. |
| 23:47.16 | VonhintenHOME` | There a way to change EBB to icons only left to right direction (or right to left), like the wow default? |
| 23:47.24 | Greywolf65 | K I'm going to try it heh |
| 23:48.06 | Greywolf65 | should I also forward declare ShabbaSettings[realm] and ShabbaSettings[realm][player] and so on? |
| 23:48.12 | Greywolf65 | at the beginning of my lua file? |
| 23:48.33 | Antiarc | If they're per-character, why save that information in the table? |
| 23:49.12 | Greywolf65 | <scratches chin> |
| 23:49.18 | Greywolf65 | its my first day |
| 23:49.22 | Antiarc | Hehe |
| 23:50.29 | Maul | Jamash: for k,v in pairs(Macaroon.Buttons) do local macrotext = v[1].config.macro end |
| 23:50.33 | Kirov | I will say that most ace addons store per-character information, but they do it in the global space for the specific reason that you can copy the settings from character to another |
| 23:50.35 | Greywolf65 | ok I'll take that out. should I forward declare all the individual private data members as well? |
| 23:50.39 | Jamash | Maul: Thanks! |
| 23:50.50 | Maul | np, I hope that is what you want :) |
| 23:50.51 | Greywolf65 | i.e. ShabbaSettings.decimation = false --by default |
| 23:51.13 | DWSR | so...anyone know what the restarts were for? |
| 23:51.15 | Antiarc | You can initialize that with something like ShabbaSettings = { decimation = false } |
| 23:51.22 | Antiarc | But your method works too |
| 23:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, small patch likely didn't apply so well. |
| 23:51.38 | amro | they restarted EU too |
| 23:51.39 | Maul | each entry in Macaroon.Buttons is a table {button, storageFlag} the index is the button's id |
| 23:51.45 | amro | and we don't have patch yet |
| 23:52.11 | Greywolf65 | K time to make a few adjustments... thanks Antiarc |
| 23:52.17 | Antiarc | Good luck! |
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| 23:59.54 | mikma | lols, 62k honor waiting as commendations |
