| 00:00.13 | Shirik | it's not boring |
| 00:00.18 | Shirik | it tells you which files are self-hosted |
| 00:00.25 | Shirik | and, as Arrowmaster pointed out and I missed |
| 00:00.34 | Shirik | it has the key to the database files that have been my goal this entire time |
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| 00:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Where are the DBs? |
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| 00:06.08 | Thunder_Child | all over the world! |
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| 00:06.27 | Xinhuan | [4/18 06:08:26] * @Shirik thanks Xinhuan for Omen, the primary assistant in this endeavor |
| 00:06.29 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 00:06.33 | Xinhuan | (just woke up) |
| 00:06.47 | Thunder_Child | thats not an excuse |
| 00:07.08 | Shirik | Xinhuan: I used the search term "Omen" in memory to find this stuff initially |
| 00:07.23 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 00:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: http://wowi.pastey.net/112505-490f |
| 00:08.01 | Xinhuan | HEH |
| 00:08.05 | Xinhuan | what's your conclusion? |
| 00:08.23 | Arrowmaster | we found the developers name |
| 00:08.41 | Arrowmaster | but its not that useful since a google search turned up a lot of different people |
| 00:09.19 | Xinhuan | i see their "donation author list" is pretty small |
| 00:09.27 | pnorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.54 | Xinhuan | err that's pretty smart code |
| 00:10.01 | pnorman | could have more in the databases |
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| 00:10.55 | Xinhuan | so would someone want to make a account or folder "/Richard Goldman/Desktop" |
| 00:10.59 | Xinhuan | and run wowmatrix? |
| 00:11.18 | Kalroth | haha |
| 00:11.19 | pnorman | got to run it with that as your desktop I think |
| 00:11.34 | pnorman | could do if (the platform = "MacOS") and ($user <> "rg") then |
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| 00:12.01 | NeoTron | <> is somewhat an odd way to say = |
| 00:12.11 | Kalroth | huh? |
| 00:12.13 | KarlKFI | != |
| 00:12.15 | Arrowmaster | <> is != |
| 00:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty common |
| 00:12.22 | Cloudwolf | hmm |
| 00:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | err, for inequality |
| 00:12.24 | NeoTron | oh right that thing exits |
| 00:12.36 | NeoTron | I misthought the logic of the function |
| 00:12.48 | Kalroth | <> = != ! = |
| 00:13.19 | ckknight | â |
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| 00:13.38 | Dewin | Xinhuan: It'd be more complicated then that, you'd likely actually have to create a "Richard Goldman" user account. |
| 00:13.50 | Xinhuan | which isn't very difficult |
| 00:13.51 | Dewin | ... I really hate when my IRC window gets scrolled up and I don't notice. |
| 00:17.27 | Cloudwolf | i hate being a level 80 with out epic flying :P |
| 00:18.36 | Cloudwolf | woo reenforced crate with 2 cobolt |
| 00:19.41 | NeoTron | Cloudwolf: a casual in our guild has you beat |
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| 00:19.48 | NeoTron | he's level 80 without cold weather flying |
| 00:19.50 | Cloudwolf | o rly? |
| 00:19.52 | NeoTron | and has been level 80 for months |
| 00:19.52 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 00:19.59 | Cloudwolf | that sucks |
| 00:20.03 | NeoTron | just can't seem to make the money ... right |
| 00:20.15 | NeoTron | he plays quite often too so it's rather mind boggling |
| 00:20.27 | Cloudwolf | what are pygmy sucker fish good for? |
| 00:20.33 | NeoTron | flasks |
| 00:20.36 | NeoTron | pygmy oil |
| 00:20.39 | alestane | Make them into pygmy oil. |
| 00:20.48 | Cloudwolf | do the sell on the ah well? |
| 00:20.53 | NeoTron | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40195#reagent-for |
| 00:21.17 | NeoTron | it's used in potion of speed - my guess is that that's one of the main uses |
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| 00:22.19 | Dewin | Why does Curse Client not have a "Only when I tell you to" option for "Check for updates" >.> |
| 00:22.23 | Cloudwolf | guess i head to an AH and check the sell price atm |
| 00:22.47 | Cloudwolf | any one catch the turtle yet? |
| 00:23.37 | NeoTron | Dewin: make it exit when you quit and it won't do anything until the next time yuou start? |
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| 00:27.24 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, go suggest it, or bug Kaelten, though he might simply tell you to go suggest it |
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| 00:35.44 | Thunder_Child | all of my addons with coords are going freaky when in an instance |
| 00:36.07 | Gnarfoz | so, no more interesting new wowmatrix source "code" news? boring D: |
| 00:40.39 | mikma | wowmatrix rules |
| 00:40.47 | mikma | i use it to... wait, what? |
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| 00:42.28 | Thunder_Child | so, is it fail to be playing wow with the sound off then suddenly realize you are playing the wow music in itunes? |
| 00:45.14 | mikma | Do you want us to lie? |
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| 00:47.36 | airtonix | yay carbonite crashed wow *again* |
| 00:47.47 | airtonix | typically at a crucial moment |
| 00:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: it's pretty boring source |
| 00:54.17 | pnorman | I just made a login with the correct username, did nothing |
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| 00:56.31 | Shirik | it's not boring ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:56.34 | Shirik | It has passwords! |
| 00:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Two |
| 00:57.07 | mikma | enough hacking for today? |
| 00:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, where are the DBs? |
| 00:58.18 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/put_in_my_car.jpg |
| 01:00.02 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/9578/1208651512314.jpg |
| 01:03.42 | NightHawkTheSane | pastamancer: Grid is totally going crazy on class colors for health bars whenever raid comp changes. >.> |
| 01:04.28 | mikma | hahahaa, http://media.fukung.net/images/12702/e6360b3e4e2e0fae81d8c516b438e77d.gif |
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| 01:18.52 | Cloudwolf | *tear down one eye* i have to fly like across this dang place on a non epic flyer |
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| 01:31.04 | pnorman | Anyone know an alternative source for WOW api stuff? wowwiki seems to be down |
| 01:31.24 | Torhal | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:31.25 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:32.35 | Legorol | wow, Ulduar is so much fun... and so hard :) |
| 01:32.53 | Legorol | has anyone had some fun in there already? |
| 01:32.57 | pnorman | Ya |
| 01:33.35 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 01:33.47 | Stanzilla | vezax tomorrow :) |
| 01:34.24 | mikma | loooool!! |
| 01:35.00 | mikma | get a friend with traveller's tundra mammoth |
| 01:35.08 | mikma | create a macro: |
| 01:35.10 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.11 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.13 | mikma | spam |
| 01:36.29 | Legorol | mikma: what does it do? |
| 01:36.38 | Legorol | Stanzilla: grats, that's some very nice progression there |
| 01:36.46 | Stanzilla | thanks :) |
| 01:36.48 | Stanzilla | where are you? |
| 01:37.03 | Legorol | we were just doing 10-man mostly, killed Razor, XT and Kolgarn |
| 01:37.14 | Legorol | Ignis was bugging so we skipped him, and spent a while wiping on iron council |
| 01:37.27 | Legorol | in 25-man, we are stuck on Razor :P |
| 01:37.42 | Cloudwolf | any good drops from the 10 man that youve gotten?> |
| 01:37.54 | Legorol | yes i got tank bracer |
| 01:37.59 | Legorol | then i got it later that day in 25-man too :o) |
| 01:38.00 | mikma | legorol: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_041809_043407.jpg |
| 01:38.02 | Legorol | such a waste |
| 01:38.15 | mikma | i've managed to reach 3x mammoth height in dalaran ^^ |
| 01:38.51 | Cloudwolf | the tank bracer was a waste? |
| 01:38.56 | Cloudwolf | lol? |
| 01:39.01 | mikma | also yes, i have 3x passanger buffs on me :D |
| 01:39.02 | Cloudwolf | wait same one or a better one in the 25 man? |
| 01:39.09 | Legorol | better one |
| 01:39.25 | Legorol | they have identical stat distribution, the 25-man just has more of it |
| 01:39.31 | Esamynn | heh, nice |
| 01:39.45 | Cloudwolf | i still want hte turtle mount |
| 01:39.46 | Legorol | mikma: what am i loooking at in the picture? |
| 01:39.57 | mikma | legorol: well it can't be screenshotted |
| 01:40.01 | Cloudwolf | afk dinner |
| 01:40.10 | mikma | but you keep jumping between the two vehicleseats while never actually landing them |
| 01:40.24 | Stanzilla | Ignis is always bugging :( |
| 01:40.29 | Legorol | mikma: yeah |
| 01:40.36 | Legorol | Stanzilla: how far can you get without killing ignis? |
| 01:40.45 | Stanzilla | all the way |
| 01:40.47 | Stanzilla | he is optional |
| 01:40.49 | Legorol | phew |
| 01:40.50 | Legorol | even yoggy? |
| 01:40.58 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 01:41.00 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:41.06 | kd3 | ignis/razorscale are both fully optional |
| 01:41.11 | Legorol | it makes sense for him to be optional.. he seemed friggin hard even without bug |
| 01:41.16 | Esamynn | did not know this |
| 01:41.39 | Legorol | Esamynn: we figured we can move on at least to some of the instance when we killed XT and found we can move on |
| 01:42.04 | Legorol | so far I like Ulduar quite a bit :) |
| 01:42.15 | kd3 | the NPCs say something to the effect of "It's your call if you want to sneak past them or not" after killing FL |
| 01:42.26 | Esamynn | Flame Leviathan was.... easy as cake |
| 01:42.30 | Legorol | yes |
| 01:42.43 | Legorol | i think without hard modes, FL is mostly just a "have some fun and pew pew" |
| 01:42.52 | Esamynn | aye |
| 01:42.56 | Legorol | the boss difficulties seem to vary a lot |
| 01:43.09 | Esamynn | I wonder, do you get an additional peice of loot for each level of difficulty? |
| 01:43.10 | Legorol | we found kologarn relatively easy for example, but iron council very hard |
| 01:43.39 | Legorol | kologarn wasn't trivial of course, needed some focused people, but it was more about focus than raw dps/healing output |
| 01:43.48 | Legorol | whereas the amount of raid damage on iron council just seems insane |
| 01:43.49 | Esamynn | how far in is that? |
| 01:44.07 | Legorol | kologarn is right after XT if you want to |
| 01:44.08 | kd3 | kologarn/council are in the second wing |
| 01:44.16 | Legorol | after XT is dead, you get the choice of council or kologarn |
| 01:44.21 | Legorol | if you kill kologarn, you can move further |
| 01:44.35 | Legorol | i don't know if this makes council fully optional or not |
| 01:45.04 | kd3 | minimum kill order is probably something like FL -> XT -> Kolo -> Auraiya -> 4 watchers -> Vezax -> Y-S |
| 01:45.16 | Legorol | yah |
| 01:45.18 | Stanzilla | council is optional |
| 01:45.30 | Esamynn | don't forget the Raid Destroyer! ;) |
| 01:45.35 | Legorol | looks like the difficulty is higher on optional bosses... which is not a surprise |
| 01:45.38 | Legorol | Esamynn: who is that? |
| 01:45.52 | kd3 | alagon the raid destroyer. he feeds on your tears |
| 01:46.01 | Legorol | O.o |
| 01:46.02 | kd3 | hard-mode only boss requiring hard-mode kills of the 4 watchers to unlock |
| 01:46.04 | Esamynn | people talk about YS being the last boss, he isn't, I expect Alagon is the hardest boss |
| 01:46.11 | Legorol | aye |
| 01:46.23 | Legorol | and looks like Inner Sanctum, one of the top guilds on my relam, will have world first on him :o) |
| 01:46.27 | Esamynn | you know, the "He feeds on your Tears" guy ;) |
| 01:46.45 | Legorol | IS went for a clever tactic, they have foregone the race to YS, and instead started doing watchers on hard mode in first week |
| 01:47.00 | Esamynn | the blues have been referencing that name for months, I laughed when I found out he was real! ;) |
| 01:47.13 | Legorol | whilst other top guilds rushed through to YS, IS is taking their time.. and are raking in the hard mode world firsts and probably will get algalon |
| 01:47.30 | Esamynn | nice |
| 01:47.34 | Legorol | it's pretty smart |
| 01:47.41 | Legorol | and they are on my realm :o) |
| 01:47.44 | Legorol | is proud |
| 01:47.46 | Esamynn | heh |
| 01:47.55 | Legorol | in fact i know people in there |
| 01:48.09 | Esamynn | do you feel special? |
| 01:48.12 | Legorol | yes :o) |
| 01:48.14 | Esamynn | cuse you're not :P |
| 01:48.25 | Legorol | lets the whiff of uberness come wafting his way |
| 01:48.37 | Legorol | ~lart Esamynn |
| 01:48.37 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides Esamynn with the sea of tranquility |
| 01:48.54 | Legorol | anyway, so far Ulduar is fun |
| 01:48.58 | Esamynn | ~whaleblock |
| 01:49.02 | Esamynn | oops |
| 01:49.05 | Esamynn | ~whaleparry |
| 01:49.07 | Legorol | haha |
| 01:49.08 | Legorol | fail |
| 01:49.15 | Legorol | ~whaleslap Esamynn |
| 01:49.17 | purl | ACTION beats Esamynn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 01:49.20 | Legorol | that's how you do it :) |
| 01:50.38 | Esamynn | purl, you have failed me! |
| 01:50.45 | Esamynn | ~listkeys whale |
| 01:51.36 | Esamynn | whalenametheft ? O_O |
| 01:51.42 | Esamynn | ~whalenametheft Legorol |
| 01:51.43 | purl | ACTION watches in awe as a rather menacing whale named Reginald (who also happens to be well versed in the art of marketing) kicks Legorol's ass and steals his/her name. The now anonymous target weeps. |
| 01:52.18 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 01:52.18 | purl | :), Esamynn |
| 01:52.35 | Legorol | ~whalelaser Esamynn |
| 01:52.36 | purl | ACTION calls Jean-Pierre, a planet-sized whale from the future, who starts firing deadly lazerbeams from his head on Esamynn, disintegrating every single cell from their body, leaving nothing but dust |
| 01:52.45 | Legorol | rofl |
| 01:52.52 | Esamynn | ~whaleshield me |
| 01:52.59 | Esamynn | no? :( |
| 01:53.02 | Esamynn | bah |
| 01:53.06 | Legorol | whaleblock probably |
| 01:53.08 | Legorol | ~whaleblock Esamynn |
| 01:53.09 | purl | ACTION shields Esamynn with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 01:53.22 | Legorol | ~whaleblock me |
| 01:53.23 | purl | ACTION shields legorol with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 01:53.38 | Legorol | ~whalems Esamynn |
| 01:53.39 | purl | ACTION oneshots Esamynn with a mortal strike crit while wielding a whale named Lucas, whose size is comparable to that of a PS3 |
| 01:53.50 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 01:53.51 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:54.12 | Esamynn | ~whalenapalm Legorol |
| 01:54.13 | purl | ACTION hires an US army plane-sized flying whale to pee on Legorol. IT BURNS. |
| 01:54.13 | Tenchworks | whale != PS3 |
| 01:54.28 | Legorol | nice one |
| 01:54.34 | Esamynn | wow, that's awesome |
| 01:54.34 | mikma | mortal sleep |
| 01:54.43 | mikma | daddy puts the monsters to sleep |
| 01:54.51 | Esamynn | ~literal cmd: whaleponcho (.*?) |
| 01:54.52 | purl | "cmd: whaleponcho (.*?)" is "(%n): <action>uses the magic of nanotubes to create a whale shaped poncho around %n, protecting them." |
| 01:56.16 | Legorol | i wonder how many groups are actually working on 10-man ulduar |
| 01:56.20 | Cloudwolf | ~whalenapalm Cloudwolf |
| 01:56.20 | purl | ACTION hires an US army plane-sized flying whale to pee on Cloudwolf. IT BURNS. |
| 01:56.22 | Legorol | most people probably are doing 25 |
| 01:57.04 | Esamynn | ~whaleponcho Cloudwolf |
| 01:57.04 | purl | ACTION uses the magic of nanotubes to create a whale shaped poncho around Cloudwolf, protecting them. |
| 01:57.56 | mikma | ~factoid cookie |
| 01:57.57 | purl | ACTION gives cookie a cup of trinitrotoluene |
| 01:58.06 | mikma | ok? |
| 01:58.09 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:58.19 | Cloudwolf | ~whaleexplode me |
| 01:58.22 | Cloudwolf | awww |
| 01:58.31 | Esamynn | ~whalenuke Cloudwolf |
| 01:58.32 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Cloudwolf with his mind powers. |
| 01:59.07 | mikma | ~cookie |
| 01:59.34 | Cloudwolf | lol what? |
| 01:59.57 | mikma | gets a random info |
| 02:00.13 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie |
| 02:00.16 | mikma | ~cookie cloudwolf |
| 02:00.43 | mikma | ~cookie milk |
| 02:01.04 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie jesus |
| 02:01.14 | mikma | infobot at its best |
| 02:01.32 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 02:01.50 | Cloudwolf | i want my turtle mount |
| 02:01.52 | Legorol | ooh bosskillers doesn't list anything other than FL/Razor as killed on 10-man so far |
| 02:01.58 | mikma | ~cookie star wars |
| 02:02.02 | Legorol | i'll pester our guild admin to get us in as world firsts :o) |
| 02:02.09 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie turtle |
| 02:02.46 | mikma | ~cookie hookers |
| 02:02.57 | mikma | wat |
| 02:03.15 | Cloudwolf | i think you broke it |
| 02:03.19 | Esamynn | ~lart Mik |
| 02:03.19 | purl | rm -rf's Mik |
| 02:03.21 | Esamynn | ~lart mikma |
| 02:03.21 | purl | holds mikma to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 02:03.25 | Esamynn | sorry Mik |
| 02:03.29 | Esamynn | whoever you might be |
| 02:04.13 | mikma | hah, trap is getting better |
| 02:04.18 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie take the money and run |
| 02:04.45 | mikma | ~cookie esamynn |
| 02:04.57 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 02:04.59 | Cloudwolf | !cookie cloudwolf |
| 02:04.59 | Esamynn | that's... old |
| 02:05.00 | Trela | hands Cloudwolf a freshly baked oatmeal chocolate chip cookie. |
| 02:05.08 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie cloudwolf |
| 02:05.12 | Cloudwolf | wrong handler... |
| 02:05.12 | Esamynn | later folks |
| 02:05.25 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie the who |
| 02:05.51 | Cloudwolf | lol what? |
| 02:05.59 | mikma | err, i dont know |
| 02:06.46 | mikma | ~cookie bouncing tits |
| 02:06.47 | Thunder_Child | someone forgot to make it random |
| 02:08.01 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 02:08.02 | purl | with penis sized as firehose |
| 02:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | what |
| 02:08.34 | mikma | i have no memory of that |
| 02:08.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (i=Rupert@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute) |
| 02:08.51 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 02:08.52 | purl | with penis sized as firehose |
| 02:08.58 | mikma | bah! |
| 02:09.10 | mikma | ~emulate mikma |
| 02:09.10 | purl | I love copypaste |
| 02:09.33 | mikma | ~emulate industrial |
| 02:09.34 | purl | and now I'm high o/ |
| 02:09.53 | Cloudwolf | ~emulate me |
| 02:09.54 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 02:09.59 | Cloudwolf | jerk |
| 02:11.17 | mikma | ~wtf bob |
| 02:11.21 | Kraftman | purl has a brother 'url'? :o |
| 02:12.09 | Cloudwolf | ~emulate kraftman |
| 02:12.18 | Cloudwolf | fail... |
| 02:12.22 | Kraftman | :'( |
| 02:12.32 | Cloudwolf | ~emulate Cloudwolf |
| 02:12.40 | Cloudwolf | did perl break? |
| 02:12.41 | Cloudwolf | or lag? |
| 02:12.48 | mikma | ~crypt cloudwolf noob |
| 02:12.48 | purl | clBfWUKwaTgYM |
| 02:13.03 | Shirik | ~rot13 cloudwolf noob |
| 02:13.03 | purl | pybhqjbys abbo |
| 02:13.06 | Cloudwolf | ~decrypt clBfWUKwaTgYM |
| 02:13.11 | mikma | cloudwolf: they need to be defined |
| 02:13.24 | Cloudwolf | ~emulate me |
| 02:13.25 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 02:13.26 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 02:13.36 | Cloudwolf | there is no decrypting? |
| 02:13.40 | mikma | ~decrypt clBfWUKwaTgYM noob |
| 02:13.49 | mikma | apparently not |
| 02:13.59 | Hirsute | What algorithm is used to encrypt it? |
| 02:14.20 | Cloudwolf | ~algorithm |
| 02:14.21 | purl | hmm... algorithm is a well defined sequence of operations used to perform a specific task in a finite number of steps. |
| 02:14.44 | mikma | cloudwolf: i put a hex on you! |
| 02:14.50 | mikma | ~hex cloudwolf |
| 02:14.50 | purl | cloudwolf is 63 6C 6F 75 64 77 6F 6C 66 |
| 02:14.55 | Hirsute | ~crypt applebottom |
| 02:14.55 | purl | Vo3.6KGeMFssM |
| 02:15.01 | Hirsute | not md5 |
| 02:15.15 | Cloudwolf | ~crypt crypt |
| 02:15.15 | purl | Px3ACc05HAN5c |
| 02:15.29 | Cloudwolf | ~crypt crypt |
| 02:15.29 | purl | 6TymkRiTn59Io |
| 02:15.34 | Cloudwolf | uh |
| 02:15.36 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
| 02:15.40 | Cloudwolf | is it just a random string? |
| 02:15.44 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 02:15.58 | Duman | hehe |
| 02:16.07 | Duman | 1-way encrypted |
| 02:16.09 | mikma | ~crypt 15 test test teeeeeeeest |
| 02:16.09 | purl | 15jCd3OGscJtU |
| 02:16.10 | Cloudwolf | well im a noob at decryption >.> |
| 02:16.22 | Duman | ahh, you can provide a salt, cool |
| 02:16.42 | Duman | ~crypt test |
| 02:16.42 | purl | /20yDbQ4fwGHw |
| 02:16.58 | Duman | ~crypt /20yDbQ4fwGHw test |
| 02:16.58 | purl | /20yDbQ4fwGHw |
| 02:17.03 | Duman | ~crypt /20yDbQ4fwGHw test1 |
| 02:17.03 | purl | /2MiUJQGG6wjU |
| 02:17.36 | Duman | (only really need the first 2 chars for the salt) |
| 02:18.14 | mikma | ~onjoin hailol test |
| 02:18.14 | purl | ok, mikma |
| 02:18.31 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 02:19.34 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie dante's inferno |
| 02:19.45 | Cloudwolf | uh... |
| 02:21.03 | Kraftman | purl, purl? |
| 02:21.04 | purl | We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated |
| 02:21.09 | DWSR | Did they stealth fix Heigan at all? |
| 02:21.38 | mikma | ~md5 hirsute here is a md5 crypt for you |
| 02:21.51 | Hirsute | Ah, nice mikma |
| 02:22.04 | DWSR | Anyone? |
| 02:22.07 | Hirsute | ~sha2 is this a sha hash? |
| 02:22.09 | purl | okay, Hirsute |
| 02:22.17 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.25 | Hirsute | purl, forget sha2 |
| 02:22.25 | purl | i forgot sha2, Hirsute |
| 02:22.38 | Cloudwolf | ~facepalm |
| 02:22.39 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 02:23.12 | mikma | ~wikipedia buttsecks |
| 02:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | .. that was... informative |
| 02:24.21 | mikma | ~thanks purl |
| 02:24.21 | purl | mikma: de nada |
| 02:25.21 | Cloudwolf | ~mudkip |
| 02:25.22 | purl | So, cloudwolf i herd you liek mudkips |
| 02:25.29 | Cloudwolf | ~wikipedia mudkip |
| 02:26.04 | Cloudwolf | aww no where in there does it say mudkip except for the link |
| 02:26.38 | mikma | ~wikipedia carepolice |
| 02:29.24 | mikma | ~spell buttsecks |
| 02:29.53 | Hirsute | ... |
| 02:29.54 | Cloudwolf | lol? |
| 02:30.03 | Cloudwolf | how few of those are actual words for buttsecks? |
| 02:30.12 | mikma | ~spell lolcat |
| 02:30.19 | Corrodias | hey Cloudwolf, how about some basics? |
| 02:30.23 | Corrodias | :3 |
| 02:30.26 | mikma | lolita |
| 02:30.35 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 02:30.43 | Cloudwolf | ~spell abcdefgh |
| 02:30.55 | Hirsute | ~spell pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis |
| 02:31.13 | Cloudwolf | ~spell abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz |
| 02:31.18 | Cloudwolf | aww |
| 02:31.29 | mikma | ~spell fail |
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| 02:32.00 | Hirsute | ~spell teh |
| 02:32.13 | Tem | Bibi`, ping |
| 02:32.23 | mikma | ~spell plz |
| 02:32.29 | Shirik | lol @ TeX |
| 02:32.33 | Thunder_Child | ~spell stupidity |
| 02:32.43 | Hirsute | ~spell gullible |
| 02:32.53 | Shirik | ~spell Shirik |
| 02:33.03 | Hirsute | I think it would be awesome if they changed the response for gullible to be, "That is not a word" |
| 02:33.10 | Shirik | lol Hirsute |
| 02:33.35 | Shirik | purl, spell gullible is <reply> Gullible is not a word |
| 02:33.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:34.09 | Hirsute | purl gullible is <reply> That's not a word. No, really, look it up. |
| 02:34.10 | purl | ...but gullible is already something else... |
| 02:34.11 | mikma | milkman? |
| 02:34.15 | Hirsute | ~gullible |
| 02:34.16 | purl | methinks gullible is phunky replying to apt's "start a war" |
| 02:34.17 | mikma | ~spell mikma |
| 02:34.39 | Hirsute | purl no, gullible is <reply> That's not a word. No, really, look it up. |
| 02:34.40 | purl | Hirsute: okay |
| 02:35.14 | Hirsute | And that, my friends, makes me happy. |
| 02:35.50 | mikma | lol wtf, mikma = momma, meme, smegma ... |
| 02:38.03 | Cloudwolf | ~spell Cloudwolf |
| 02:38.11 | Cloudwolf | caldwell? |
| 02:38.13 | Cloudwolf | claudell? |
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| 02:58.41 | Cloudwolf | ~spell jesus |
| 02:59.01 | Cloudwolf | ~spell fail |
| 02:59.08 | Cloudwolf | ~spell mudkip |
| 02:59.24 | Cloudwolf | lol medics? |
| 02:59.52 | Cloudwolf | !cookie |
| 02:59.52 | Trela | hands Cloudwolf a freshly baked oatmeal chocolate chip cookie. |
| 02:59.55 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie |
| 03:00.37 | Cloudwolf | ~lulwhut |
| 03:00.56 | Arrowmaster | what are you doing? |
| 03:01.00 | Cloudwolf | lua> print(~cookie) |
| 03:01.01 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '~' |
| 03:01.02 | Cloudwolf | i have no idea |
| 03:01.12 | Cloudwolf | lua> print("~cookie") |
| 03:01.13 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: ~cookie |
| 03:01.16 | Cloudwolf | aww |
| 03:01.44 | Cloudwolf | ~crypt I am bored |
| 03:01.44 | purl | IIheSXXjhsHLQ |
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| 03:03.58 | Tem | ~decrypt IIheSXXjhsHLQ |
| 03:04.12 | Tem | ~decrypt IIheSXXjhsHLQ |
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| 03:10.00 | Thunder_Child | ~uncrypt |
| 03:11.40 | kd3 | yay server lag |
| 03:11.46 | kd3 | I'm on my bear on a drgon |
| 03:15.32 | kd3 | http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4520/wowscrnshot041709231117.jpg |
| 03:16.11 | Shirik | kd3 that's awesome |
| 03:16.12 | Corrodias | man, what's up with the low-resolution texture for the image on the floor >_> |
| 03:17.55 | Arrowmaster | thats server lag? |
| 03:18.01 | kd3 | afaik |
| 03:18.06 | kd3 | no one else in the party can do it |
| 03:18.17 | Arrowmaster | no one else in the party has a blizzard bear? |
| 03:18.25 | kd3 | that too |
| 03:18.37 | Arrowmaster | its caused by the mounts that automaticly adjust speed based on riding skill |
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| 03:25.41 | Nuckin | hola WowUIDev |
| 03:29.09 | ReAn | which event happens whenever a loading screen is used? (teleports / hearthstone / zoning into&outof instances / etc...) |
| 03:34.16 | Nuckin | i think it might be PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
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| 03:44.14 | AnduinLothar | hey, they added hp/mana to the vehical bar |
| 03:45.23 | AnduinLothar | that's useful |
| 03:45.44 | AnduinLothar | of course now i've got it on my orbs so i might have to remove it from the bar.. |
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| 03:58.52 | Thunder_Child | anyone know where there is any info on the trash in ulduar? |
| 04:00.14 | kd3 | not much |
| 04:00.23 | kd3 | we're trying to get stuff on the wiki but it's a slow process |
| 04:00.49 | kollektiv | what trash are you doing? |
| 04:00.55 | AnduinLothar | the magma ragers are annoying |
| 04:07.35 | Aezay | What do you do when you have a level 0 frame, with LOW framestrata, being shown above an OVERLAY texture on a level 5 frame, with HIGH framestrata? |
| 04:07.58 | AnduinLothar | set toplevel to false |
| 04:09.36 | Aezay | AnduinLothar, none of the frames are toplevel |
| 04:09.45 | AnduinLothar | just a thought |
| 04:09.59 | Aezay | maybe it's some odd bug |
| 04:10.22 | Aezay | the frames are part of a scrollchildframe |
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| 04:13.51 | ReAn | holy shitfins |
| 04:14.05 | ReAn | i found a bug in the blizz ui while testing my own |
| 04:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Tonight, at ten: bug found in software, world ending shortly |
| 04:16.42 | ZorbaTHut | rean, I have had to work around many blizzard bugs, including algorithmically tracking down their windows and hiding them :( |
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| 04:20.11 | ReAn | yea ZorbaTHut, i was looking into making a nameplate mod |
| 04:20.25 | ReAn | programatically finding them is just about the only way |
| 04:20.37 | ReAn | this one is pretty big tho |
| 04:21.02 | ReAn | was testing my Horn of Winter tracking feature, making sure it accurately retained a count through a /reload or a instance zone |
| 04:21.09 | ReAn | found out it was not the same time listed as the blizz ui |
| 04:21.19 | ReAn | was getting angry cuz i couldn't figure out where i fucked up |
| 04:21.38 | ReAn | until i realized that thiers goes down to 0 and sits there flashing @ 0 till mine sais it would drop off |
| 04:21.59 | ReAn | and i can't post on the forums to let blizzard know cuz today's my billing date |
| 04:22.11 | ReAn | and the forums thinks my account is frozen while my credit card is billed |
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| 04:25.48 | Arrowmaster | buff or cooldown? |
| 04:26.55 | Arrowmaster | and remember it always helps to make a single lua file test addon to reproduce a bug so they can easyly test |
| 04:28.24 | Aezay | ReAn, the blizz ui buff timers sometimes mess up on reloadui, I think its because they dont take into account that buffs are suspended during zoning |
| 04:28.54 | ReAn | buff Arrowmaster |
| 04:29.04 | ReAn | all i know is thier official ui sat there flashing 0 for a while |
| 04:29.06 | Aezay | so the time from logging in, to the first PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD will always be off on the default buff frames |
| 04:29.18 | ReAn | so they probably didn't update the timer when they re-zone |
| 04:31.38 | Aezay | the problem I had is definitely due to a scrollchildframe, or some unknown limitation with them, because if I anchor it outside, the texture frame level is not a problem and shows as designed, but when I use the SetScrollChild() function again, it bugs |
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| 04:40.02 | Dashkal | Magma Ragers SUCK |
| 04:40.12 | Dashkal | coughs |
| 04:40.28 | NightHawkTheSane | so you have something in common, yay |
| 04:40.49 | Dashkal | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:40.49 | purl | blasts NightHawkTheSane to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 04:40.56 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 04:48.33 | Dashkal | Is there some trick to these damn tornadoes that we aren't seeing? |
| 04:50.28 | Moleculor | Trash pull prior to Ignis? |
| 04:50.58 | Moleculor | Yes. Trick is to RUN AWAY. Just make sure it's not all the healers running. |
| 04:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, random aside, what mod do people use for putting quest level in the log,etc these days? |
| 04:51.42 | kd3 | ct_core? |
| 04:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart kd3 |
| 04:52.08 | purl | shoves a crumpet down kd3's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 04:53.08 | Shirik | jams the crumpet down kd3's throat |
| 04:53.10 | Shirik | ~rimshot |
| 04:53.10 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
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| 05:05.27 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Upload your 3.1 compatible mods | "Kalroth: this one's for you babe" - Adys |
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| 05:24.08 | Thunder_Child | 1/2 hours later and i get your pun...i hate you Shirik |
| 05:24.15 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:24.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
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| 05:24.37 | Thunder_Child | uh, i meant get as in read |
| 05:24.41 | NightHawkTheSane | dude, slow kids would have gotten it faster |
| 05:24.46 | Thunder_Child | not as in it took me 30min to figure it out |
| 05:33.59 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:35.27 | NightHawkTheSane | slaps Fisker- around with a large Shirik |
| 05:41.09 | Shirik | SQL concats strings with + right? |
| 05:42.05 | Shirik | so let's say I was testing a SQL injection attack. I have http://foo.com/?bar=baz normally, and I find that http://foo.com/?bar="baz breaks the site. This should work, right? http://foo.com?bar="+"baz |
| 05:42.23 | NightHawkTheSane | mysql doesn't.. |
| 05:42.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (use +) |
| 05:42.43 | Shirik | know what it uses to concat? |
| 05:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | concat(a,b)? |
| 05:43.10 | Shirik | I can't do that from that attack >< |
| 05:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure if there's an operator for it |
| 05:43.16 | Shirik | blah |
| 05:43.19 | Cairenn | Kaelten: shut up, stay out of it, let me make my point ;) |
| 05:43.31 | Shirik | Any suggestions on how to verify that the problem resulting is truly an SQL injection? |
| 05:43.35 | Shirik | I don't want to destroy their database |
| 05:43.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: supposedly, oracle uses ||, sql server uses +, and mysql only uses concat() |
| 05:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: use a test db? :P |
| 05:44.12 | Shirik | it's not mine |
| 05:44.40 | Shirik | I'm a nice person that periodically goes around looking for exploits to warn people of them (specifically, guild websites) |
| 05:44.48 | Shirik | You would be surprised how many guild websites are vulnerable |
| 05:45.02 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly, concatenation really isn't a big deal |
| 05:45.17 | NightHawkTheSane | the main problem is breaking out a string. |
| 05:45.31 | NightHawkTheSane | out of* |
| 05:45.42 | Shirik | I think that I'm breaking out of a string |
| 05:45.47 | Shirik | what I'm trying to do is verify that's really what's going on |
| 05:45.53 | Shirik | because all I'm getting in return is a proxy error |
| 05:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i assume you dont know the schema |
| 05:46.52 | Shirik | not a clue |
| 05:46.56 | Shirik | this is entirely blackbox |
| 05:47.01 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, something like " or true or " |
| 05:47.20 | ZorbaTHut | break out of the string, inject an extra conditional, drop back in so when it exits the string it preserves the synatx |
| 05:47.27 | Shirik | still proxy error :/ |
| 05:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | actually, the term on its own probably isn't valid |
| 05:48.10 | ZorbaTHut | " or true or "x" == ", maybe. I don't know if that's valid sql. something along those lines. |
| 05:49.42 | Cairenn | smacks Kaelten upside the head, again |
| 05:49.44 | Cairenn | shut up |
| 05:49.45 | Cairenn | let me |
| 05:50.00 | Trela | ...Is Cairenn talking to some one? |
| 05:50.34 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16416942233&sid=1&pageNo=15 onward |
| 05:51.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 05:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | EeePC 900 netbook.. for 150 on woot. worth it? |
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| 05:52.40 | Zhinjio | Heya Cairenn |
| 05:52.43 | Cairenn | hi Zhinjio |
| 05:52.50 | Trela | Seems that Noobadis is an idiot. |
| 05:53.42 | Trela | "Either that or alot of people would learn to make mods...:P" I really want to respond with, "More people know how to make AddOns than you have brain cells in your head." |
| 05:56.56 | Cairenn | I'm trying to get him to follow the bouncing ball |
| 05:57.10 | Cairenn | and everyone else that is arguing on WowMatrix's side |
| 05:58.20 | Trela | OMG ROFFLE! I love the Mac technical support. DO NOT click the links, key logger, but he moved the topic from the Mac Technical Support forum over to Suggestions after figuring out it did not belong. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473138665&sid=1 |
| 05:59.10 | Trela | *she |
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| 06:07.11 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Posting a ticket for Broker_Extractor now. |
| 06:08.06 | augustl | http://twitter.com/dentonpolice wtf |
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| 06:14.49 | Amuro | sup anyone alive? |
| 06:14.51 | Zhinjio | Torhal: oh? what'd I screw up? |
| 06:15.08 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16416942233&sid=1&pageNo=17#322 |
| 06:15.14 | haste | *clicks* |
| 06:16.16 | Amuro | can someone help me |
| 06:16.18 | Amuro | with somthin |
| 06:16.18 | Amuro | lol |
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| 06:16.34 | Cairenn | possibly, you'd have to tell us what you need help with, first, for us to be able to know |
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| 06:17.00 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: i wonder how much shit it would start if it was pointed out that wowmatrix by nature of the language its written in is highly insecure and exploitable |
| 06:17.02 | Amuro | i saw a photo of someone using auctioneer, and at the bottom of the auctions/bid window, it showed how much gold was spent on bidding and the ammount of gold u would recieve if ur auctions all sold |
| 06:17.14 | Amuro | there a way to do that? |
| 06:18.26 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: not something I'm going to get into, but if others want to point out just how easy it would be to hack it and make it install trojans or whatever .... |
| 06:18.38 | Cairenn | I don't have the technical expertise to get into that |
| 06:18.40 | Arrowmaster | it would likely be ignored |
| 06:18.45 | Cairenn | most likely |
| 06:18.54 | Arrowmaster | but damn reading that source is ammusing |
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| 06:19.32 | Amuro | anyone? ;| |
| 06:20.01 | haste | Arrowmaster: what is it written in anyway? |
| 06:20.04 | haste | ~asktoask |
| 06:20.05 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 06:21.07 | Torhal | Zhinjio: I nuked my cache and Extractor went haywire. |
| 06:21.15 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: did you know that wowmatrix had been using simple text searches on pages to figure out if an http error occured? like it would actually search for "<title>500 Internal Server Error</title>" instead of checking for a http status code of 500, you guys could have thrown a wrench in without users noticing for a while |
| 06:21.23 | Arrowmaster | haste: hypercard |
| 06:21.49 | haste | that exists still :o ? |
| 06:22.04 | Arrowmaster | haste: http://wowi.pastey.net/112505-490f |
| 06:22.06 | Arrowmaster | have fun |
| 06:23.01 | Dashkal | ooo, I see you managed to break the password on it |
| 06:23.09 | Dashkal | "you" being whoever did it |
| 06:23.09 | Arrowmaster | no password |
| 06:23.21 | Arrowmaster | was pulled directly out of running memory |
| 06:23.29 | Dashkal | That would count :p |
| 06:23.40 | Dashkal | Oh this brings back memories |
| 06:23.43 | Shirik | Dashkal: me :) |
| 06:23.48 | Shirik | And here's the cool part |
| 06:23.59 | Arrowmaster | i found the passKeys for the two DBs that Shirik couldnt get into |
| 06:23.59 | Shirik | After I showed it to Arrowmaster he pointed out that the passwords I've been looking for are right there |
| 06:24.04 | Dashkal | Once upon a time (Elementry school) worked in that language |
| 06:24.23 | pnorman | I've got the DBs open, putting them on pastey |
| 06:24.32 | Shirik | a few commands into revolution and bam, easy-mode |
| 06:25.00 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.08 | Shirik | Funny thing is Dashkal |
| 06:25.14 | Shirik | Now that I've looked at wowmatrix's code |
| 06:25.23 | Shirik | I'm less worried about them being able to break through the protections on wowi and curse |
| 06:25.24 | Amuro | mind if i ask what you guys are doin heh |
| 06:25.51 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.53 | Shirik | I already know where my applet is insecure; I had expected them to already break through it. Now I'm not surprised that they haven't. |
| 06:26.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so you can confirm that all it would take is somebody either replacing the db file on their server with a malicious one or somebody making your computer connect to a malicous web server thinking it was wowmatrix and anything could be run right? |
| 06:26.16 | Shirik | confirm |
| 06:26.21 | Shirik | DB2 specifies site locations |
| 06:26.32 | pnorman | http://wowi.pastey.net/112527 |
| 06:26.45 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: no i mean because the db's are executed themselves |
| 06:26.57 | Shirik | Well the DB I'm not exactly sure what it "is" |
| 06:27.02 | Shirik | It's a hypercard, but it looks like a comment to me |
| 06:27.03 | Trela | Shirik, Arrowmaster, love you two. |
| 06:27.10 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 06:27.15 | Shirik | But I don't know enough about hypercard to know how it works |
| 06:27.23 | Shirik | it might not be a comment, or that might just be how it extracts a data hypercard |
| 06:27.33 | Shirik | it's tab-delimited text |
| 06:27.41 | Dashkal | I've long since forgotten how data is handled... |
| 06:27.43 | pnorman | it's what I just pasted :P |
| 06:28.03 | Arrowmaster | i still say pump the pages full of hidden text just to mess with wowmatrix |
| 06:28.29 | Arrowmaster | force them to implement a proper http status code case |
| 06:28.32 | Shirik | no real point |
| 06:28.33 | Shirik | :) |
| 06:28.36 | Shirik | but we could |
| 06:28.47 | Arrowmaster | if they break the applet do that first |
| 06:29.00 | Shirik | Dashkal: Really what I was looking for was a list of addons they host |
| 06:29.14 | Shirik | I thought that was in the DB though |
| 06:29.22 | Shirik | apparently they've written "special code" for each of those |
| 06:29.26 | Arrowmaster | so you have time to write something new while they are rewriting part of their core |
| 06:29.27 | Torhal | pnorman: That looks like a C-style comment block |
| 06:29.30 | pnorman | but instead it's in a giant caase structure |
| 06:29.41 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:29.46 | pnorman | Torhal: it's not though, but don't know the language well enough |
| 06:29.52 | Shirik | well funny thing is, Arrowmaster |
| 06:29.56 | pnorman | ohh... i wonder |
| 06:29.59 | Shirik | now that we know how it works |
| 06:30.08 | Shirik | We can always see what they do and find a way to block it |
| 06:30.12 | pnorman | Could they of commented it out because they're blocked? |
| 06:30.16 | Amuro | by the way of this discussion, i take it most of u work for wowui and curse? |
| 06:30.26 | Torhal | pnorman: Possibly. |
| 06:30.27 | Shirik | be careful with "wowui" |
| 06:30.35 | Shirik | It's "wowi" you probably mean |
| 06:30.40 | Shirik | they are two distinct sites |
| 06:30.40 | Arrowmaster | Amuro: not officially myself |
| 06:30.56 | Amuro | sorry, when i think interface i think ui so i say ui heh |
| 06:31.14 | Shirik | personally I just avoid the confusion and call wowui incgamers |
| 06:31.16 | Shirik | it's easier |
| 06:31.23 | Arrowmaster | inctrojans |
| 06:31.26 | Shirik | >< |
| 06:31.28 | [Ammo] | tsk |
| 06:31.35 | Shirik | Amuro, I am wowinterface staff |
| 06:31.40 | Shirik | though volunteer |
| 06:31.43 | pnorman | hm, I do not want to post wdb2, it contains many URLs that I would need to validate. |
| 06:31.44 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if those cheap asses are still running on a shared webhost |
| 06:31.52 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: sec |
| 06:32.03 | Amuro | well, as i can see this is a whole wowmatrix vs curse/wowi discussion, may i partake and give my 2 cents? |
| 06:32.13 | Shirik | you can, but be very careful what you say |
| 06:32.20 | Amuro | i will try |
| 06:32.24 | Shirik | Treading in those waters can be dangerous to your health :) |
| 06:32.47 | haste | lies! |
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| 06:32.55 | Amuro | so basically as ive read, ppl are pissed cuz u blocked matrix, which is agreeable |
| 06:33.04 | Amuro | now im kinda stuck in the middle between this |
| 06:33.06 | Shirik | Personally, I won't hurt you no matter what side you're on, but others might |
| 06:33.09 | Dashkal | ~wowmatrix |
| 06:33.10 | purl | ACTION stabs wowmatrix with an icicle made from the frozen tears of lazy users |
| 06:33.52 | pnorman | wdb2: http://wowi.pastey.net/112528 |
| 06:33.58 | Amuro | on my left hand, i see a nice community of people, who work hard and put in alot of effort to sharing addons with the masses |
| 06:34.14 | Amuro | on the other hand i see a program, which eliminates the use of a website |
| 06:34.28 | Amuro | now im stumped and forgot what i was gonna say |
| 06:34.29 | Amuro | :| |
| 06:34.34 | Amuro | smashes head on desk |
| 06:34.54 | Fisker- | Debating WoWMatrix with WoWMatrix users is like explaining Kanye West the fishsticks joke |
| 06:35.01 | Amuro | lol |
| 06:35.05 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:35.10 | Amuro | fishsticks hehe |
| 06:35.12 | Amuro | i loved that ep |
| 06:35.20 | Shirik | Kanye West? fishsticks? |
| 06:35.22 | Shirik | what? |
| 06:35.29 | Fisker- | Do you like fishsticks Shirik ? |
| 06:35.33 | Amuro | LOL |
| 06:35.33 | Shirik | not really |
| 06:35.37 | Fisker- | do it |
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| 06:35.49 | Amuro | lol agree wth him |
| 06:35.52 | Amuro | for the joke |
| 06:35.53 | Amuro | plzz lol |
| 06:36.03 | Shirik | uh... sure |
| 06:36.15 | Amuro | nudges Fisker- |
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| 06:36.21 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6LE9cLhc6I |
| 06:36.28 | Amuro | or watch that |
| 06:36.30 | Amuro | heh |
| 06:36.48 | Trela | Fisker, I love fish sticks. |
| 06:36.56 | Fisker- | in the mouth? |
| 06:37.05 | Arrowmaster | CombatLogTimestamper combat-log-timestamper Arrowmaster Adds matching timestamps to the rest of the messages sent to your Combat Log window. r68058 4/4/08 http://wow.curse.com/downloads/download.aspx?app=projectFiles&pi=282425&fi=125265 |
| 06:37.10 | Arrowmaster | that was never released.... |
| 06:37.41 | Arrowmaster | LibGUIDRegistry-0.1 project-14286 Arrowmaster A GUID Registry library. r80836 8/23/08 http://wow.curse.com/downloads/download.aspx?app=projectFiles&pi=282231&fi=134198 |
| 06:37.43 | Arrowmaster | ........ |
| 06:37.49 | Trela | I love putting fish sticks in my mouth, Fisker. |
| 06:37.58 | Fisker- | you're a gayfish :3 |
| 06:38.34 | Trela | I AM NOT! *Freaks out like Kanye West!* |
| 06:40.06 | Arrowmaster | looking through db2 for all the project-%d+ stuff would be ammusing since that would be stuff on curse thats dead and abandoned |
| 06:40.10 | Amuro | can i ask u guys somthin |
| 06:40.11 | Shirik | lol Fisker- wtf |
| 06:40.25 | Amuro | are curse and wowi really closely related as 2 companys |
| 06:40.30 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:40.37 | Zhinjio | Torhal: I'll test it this weekend |
| 06:40.38 | Amuro | dang |
| 06:40.51 | Fisker- | of course Shirik :3 |
| 06:40.52 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Wewt. |
| 06:40.53 | pnorman | I suspect db2 became commented out when wowace changed, and i believe the curse url changes were after that |
| 06:40.58 | Arrowmaster | the people that run wowi are close with some of the people that run curse |
| 06:41.26 | Trela | Hi, I'm a Mac. I ship with bad hardware from the factory and repaired with bad hardware. http://www.experimentalinsanity.com/albums/random/aks03.jpg http://www.experimentalinsanity.com/albums/random/BrokenMac.png |
| 06:41.27 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: its been updated with recent curse stuff though |
| 06:41.42 | pnorman | but might that all be in wdb and wdb2? |
| 06:41.49 | Shirik | pnorman: They are not "commented out" |
| 06:42.08 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain it's just because revolution extracts scripts, and those are not scripts they're data |
| 06:42.13 | Shirik | so that's how it chooses to extract it |
| 06:43.01 | Shirik | that code does not show up anywhere in memory, so that's obviously not how it's being loaded (take note all other comments show in memory) |
| 06:44.00 | Torhal | That's wild...I didn't think of that: Why does it load COMMENTS into memory? Yuck. |
| 06:44.10 | Shirik | Because, Torhal, it has to load the hypercard |
| 06:44.18 | Shirik | and that's the hypercard's contents |
| 06:44.29 | Torhal | Ah |
| 06:44.38 | Trela | Meaning, it blows. |
| 06:44.43 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:44.43 | Shirik | I seriously doubt it's interpreted, so it's probably just JITted |
| 06:44.48 | Shirik | but it stays in memory |
| 06:46.33 | Shirik | hm, actually, it seems it /is/ interpreted |
| 06:46.37 | Shirik | I'm surprised it can be that fast |
| 06:46.52 | Shirik | ah nm, it isn't interpreted |
| 06:48.32 | Trela | I wonder if spreading some FUD about WoWMatrix and how it works, downloading programs, could help. :P |
| 06:48.41 | Shirik | I won't do that :P |
| 06:48.58 | Shirik | Honestly, right now I'm debating whether or not I gave you guys too many details about WM :) |
| 06:49.22 | Shirik | this is a bit too much "black hacker" for me |
| 06:49.31 | NightHawkTheSane | fud is bad, even if used for good |
| 06:49.38 | pnorman | You don |
| 06:50.06 | pnorman | You don't need to tell any lies about WM's security |
| 06:50.07 | pnorman | else if (the platform = "Win32") and ("/Richard Goldman/Desktop" is not in specialFolderPath("Desktop")) then |
| 06:50.10 | Trela | I had already contemplated figuring out how to include a premade wowmatrix.dat file in an AddOn that would cause WoWMatrix to delete itself. :P |
| 06:50.17 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: yeah i found that earlyer |
| 06:50.26 | Shirik | well funny thing is, Trela |
| 06:50.40 | Shirik | I haven't found any indication of wowmatrix.dat files' use |
| 06:50.49 | Shirik | I guess I should go looking for that in code segments |
| 06:50.52 | Shirik | let me go do that now actually |
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| 06:51.05 | pnorman | 2320 |
| 06:51.53 | Torhal | Zhinjio: On a side note, I broke one of your addons for a change. :D |
| 06:52.17 | Torhal | And now I go to bed. |
| 06:52.21 | Zhinjio | awesome. |
| 06:52.22 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 06:52.35 | pnorman | updateAddon is a huge function |
| 06:52.49 | Wobin | http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1527393,w-far-south-side-shooting-041509.article |
| 06:53.11 | Wobin | "Man at Panda Express eats shoots and leaves" |
| 06:53.48 | pnorman | oh, check checkNewLog, line 2745 |
| 06:54.03 | Arrowmaster | if (char -1 of myCorrectedLine <> "/") and (item -1 of myCorrectedLine <> "WowMatrix.dat") then -- only extract if item is not a folder |
| 06:54.45 | Arrowmaster | so it checks if the last item in the list is "WowMatrix.dat" and doesnt extract if it is? so just add something else that would be the last item instead? |
| 06:55.13 | jnwhiteh | any really simple addons that are as slick as ampere, but have profiles as well? |
| 06:55.22 | jnwhiteh | i.e. a new AddOnAddOf? |
| 06:55.57 | Arrowmaster | ACP? |
| 06:56.02 | Arrowmaster | or is that too big |
| 06:56.20 | pnorman | Arrowmaster: I'm tracing it back, seeing what myCorrectedLine is |
| 06:56.33 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: might be =/ I'll ask tekkub what he uses |
| 06:57.25 | Cairenn | An elephant asked a camel, "Why are your breasts on your back?" |
| 06:57.25 | Cairenn | "Well," said the camel, "I think that's an inappropriate question from somebody whose dick is on his face." |
| 06:57.50 | pnorman | 2320 is the in the section handling decompressing zips, it looks like it just makes sure that it does not decompress any files named WowMatrix.dat |
| 06:58.08 | Shirik | WowMatrix.dat is not a hypercard stack |
| 06:58.14 | Shirik | that's all |
| 06:58.24 | Shirik | so, Trela, you won't be able to get it to do anything |
| 06:58.44 | Shirik | $ file ./WowMatrix.dat && cat ./WowMatrix.dat | gunzip - |
| 06:58.44 | Shirik | ./WowMatrix.dat: gzip compressed data, from Unix |
| 06:58.44 | Shirik | ## OriginalInterface: 30000 |
| 06:59.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont even see in the code you pasted where its created |
| 06:59.17 | Arrowmaster | thats it? |
| 06:59.17 | Torhal | Cairenn: ...just, wow...:D |
| 06:59.19 | pnorman | It's not made there, I can't figure out where it is |
| 06:59.21 | Shirik | that's it |
| 06:59.26 | Cairenn | hhehehee |
| 06:59.31 | Torhal | Ok, bedtime. |
| 06:59.36 | Arrowmaster | gz for that little.... |
| 06:59.44 | Cairenn | night Torhal |
| 06:59.53 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Wowmatrix doesn't want to waste space or anything |
| 06:59.56 | Shirik | lolol |
| 07:00.11 | Shirik | may be their futile attempt at encryption |
| 07:00.13 | pnorman | Is that part of a .toc file you think? |
| 07:00.17 | Arrowmaster | the .dat is larger than the original contents right? |
| 07:00.17 | Shirik | no |
| 07:00.29 | Xinhuan | err what? |
| 07:00.37 | pnorman | Arrowmaster: yep, pretty sure |
| 07:00.39 | Xinhuan | the .dat file is just a gzipped ## Interface line? |
| 07:01.05 | Shirik | oh I'm sorry, Arrowmaster |
| 07:01.09 | Shirik | there are multiple files in there |
| 07:01.13 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 07:01.17 | Shirik | my command missed that |
| 07:01.21 | Arrowmaster | so its a tar.gz |
| 07:01.28 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 07:01.31 | Shirik | sec |
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| 07:01.46 | Arrowmaster | just rename one to WowMatrix.tar.gz and open with winrar or 7zip |
| 07:02.06 | Fisker- | winrar in linux? :3 |
| 07:02.13 | Arrowmaster | this is Shirik |
| 07:02.21 | Arrowmaster | hes on windows |
| 07:02.26 | Trela | Tried that Arrow, did not work. |
| 07:02.57 | Shirik | I'm confused now |
| 07:03.02 | Arrowmaster | ok gunzip it then try file again? |
| 07:03.08 | Shirik | I'm seeing that's the only line |
| 07:03.14 | Shirik | after gunzipping it |
| 07:03.33 | Xinhuan | maybe its multifile? |
| 07:03.46 | Arrowmaster | .gz cant be multifile |
| 07:03.52 | Arrowmaster | which is why .tar.gz is used |
| 07:04.03 | Shirik | oh I'm sorry |
| 07:04.07 | Shirik | I invoked du incorrectly |
| 07:04.11 | Shirik | yes, it really is only that line |
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| 07:05.18 | Arrowmaster | friends guild just downed yogg |
| 07:05.29 | Shirik | rofl, Arrowmaster |
| 07:05.32 | Shirik | you were right |
| 07:05.36 | Shirik | $ du -hb ./WowMatrix* |
| 07:05.37 | Shirik | 27 ./WowMatrix |
| 07:05.37 | Shirik | 45 ./WowMatrix.dat |
| 07:05.42 | Shirik | .dat is the gzipped one |
| 07:06.01 | Arrowmaster | gz is a block compression |
| 07:06.17 | Shirik | maybe they were using it as a form of encryption |
| 07:06.26 | Arrowmaster | they were |
| 07:06.27 | Shirik | "lolol they'll never figure out what this is" |
| 07:06.38 | Shirik | file is by far my favorite unix tool |
| 07:06.39 | Xinhuan | encrypt what? |
| 07:06.40 | Arrowmaster | <3 file |
| 07:06.41 | pnorman | I wonder what that line is |
| 07:06.55 | Shirik | pnorman: WoWMatrix overwrites interface numbers when it feels like it |
| 07:07.00 | Shirik | it's probably recording what it "really" is |
| 07:07.01 | Arrowmaster | its so they can remember what the original toc was after they mangal it |
| 07:07.29 | Shirik | Xinhuan: the Wowmatrix.dat files |
| 07:07.31 | Arrowmaster | did you notice these |
| 07:07.33 | Arrowmaster | replace ("SET checkAddonVersion " & quote & "1" & quote) with ("SET checkAddonVersion " & quote & "0" & quote) in tNewData |
| 07:07.41 | Arrowmaster | replace ("SET scriptErrors " & quote & "1" & quote) with ("SET scriptErrors " & quote & "0" & quote) in tNewData |
| 07:07.46 | Trela | I just saw that, ewww. |
| 07:07.54 | Arrowmaster | yes they edit WTF/Config.wtf |
| 07:08.10 | Trela | wonders if Blizzard would have an issue with that. |
| 07:08.10 | Arrowmaster | and they do the worst thing ever |
| 07:08.15 | Arrowmaster | disable script errors |
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| 07:08.35 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 07:08.55 | ZorbaTHut | what would that do? would it disable Swatter-style error catching? |
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| 07:09.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ... "hey, thanks for changing wow settings without asking or telling me, kthx?" |
| 07:09.15 | Shirik | no ZorbaTHut |
| 07:09.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: disable script errors means any lua errors are NOT shown, at all, ever. |
| 07:09.19 | Arrowmaster | no it would disable lua error for everybody that doesnt have something like swatter or bugsack |
| 07:09.40 | Arrowmaster | the 'i dont see it so nothings wrong' mentality |
| 07:09.45 | Xinhuan | so does wowmatrix have a "options" or "preferences" page that has these settings? |
| 07:09.53 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:10.00 | ZorbaTHut | ah, okay. I catch my own errors anyway so I don't rely on the popups :P (which I strongly recommend doing, by the way) |
| 07:10.01 | Arrowmaster | or atleast theres no options checks in here |
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| 07:10.13 | Shirik | the popups are kinda crap :P |
| 07:10.21 | ZorbaTHut | still, that's pretty nasty of 'em. |
| 07:10.33 | Xinhuan | someone post it ;p |
| 07:10.44 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: "It updated my addons and the errors went away! I love WoWMatrix!!!" |
| 07:10.54 | Shirik | "Even the version on Curse didn't fix the problem!" |
| 07:10.55 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: you use extra overhead on every function call though |
| 07:11.16 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, eh? it just hooks the error handler, it doesn't have any extra function overhead |
| 07:11.28 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 07:11.57 | Arrowmaster | i havent looked at it but that doesnt sound like a good way to do it |
| 07:12.00 | ZorbaTHut | catch-my-own-errors. I hook the global error handler, then do some testing to see if incoming errors are mine or not |
| 07:12.03 | ZorbaTHut | same thing Swatter does |
| 07:12.08 | ZorbaTHut | hell half the code is copied from Swatter |
| 07:12.20 | Arrowmaster | except you are only catching your own errors |
| 07:12.22 | Arrowmaster | not all |
| 07:12.36 | Arrowmaster | and the error handler can change |
| 07:12.40 | ZorbaTHut | I'm catching everyone's errors, I'm just doing some tests to see if they're mine or not, and if they're not, I'm pretending I didn't catch 'em :) |
| 07:12.52 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I had a really cool solution to that in Conspiracy |
| 07:12.57 | Shirik | It was such a hack though |
| 07:13.03 | Arrowmaster | oh i found where it writes the .dat |
| 07:13.18 | Arrowmaster | 3459 |
| 07:13.21 | Shirik | I set the error handler, hooked seterrorhandler/geterrorhandler, and passed off any errors that weren't mine |
| 07:13.57 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, pretty much what I'm doing also, though I'm assuming that anyone who sets the WoW error handler is being nice enough to pass errors through to the default handler |
| 07:14.11 | ZorbaTHut | (and setting them as an optional dependency of QH if they're not, so I can hook after them ;) ) |
| 07:14.40 | Arrowmaster | in KTM he pcall'd everything and instead of using the error handler from geterrorhandler() if an error occured he used his own |
| 07:15.33 | Arrowmaster | which is the clean but overhead inducing way |
| 07:16.03 | ZorbaTHut | ah, as much as I'd like to do that, I can't - pcall and coroutines don't play nicely, and I use coroutines extensively |
| 07:16.58 | ZorbaTHut | I agree that'd be worth considering otherwise, though, I honestly hadn't thought of it |
| 07:19.32 | Trela | So WoWMatrix is fairly self contained, it only accesses the internet to software updates and AddOns? |
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| 07:21.08 | Shirik | Trela: Correct |
| 07:21.12 | Trela | Hello Zeksie~ |
| 07:21.17 | Zeksie | hai ;) |
| 07:21.30 | Shirik | However it remains to be seen what would happen if the DB card stacks actually contained something more than data |
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| 07:22.02 | Zeksie | if any of the site mods on, give X-Perl a poke pls. tried to upload it on patch day, but site was poorly :| |
| 07:22.11 | Zeksie | but it's up now \o/ |
| 07:22.12 | Shirik | which site |
| 07:22.20 | Zeksie | wowinterface |
| 07:22.24 | Fisker- | slaps Zeksie around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:22.38 | Shirik | no it's not... |
| 07:22.42 | Shirik | are you sure? |
| 07:22.54 | Zeksie | Your file has been submitted to our database and is now awaiting approval |
| 07:22.57 | Zeksie | yes |
| 07:23.04 | Zeksie | not 2 mins ago |
| 07:23.09 | Shirik | I don't see it |
| 07:23.13 | Zeksie | :( |
| 07:23.17 | Zeksie | i r crai |
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| 07:23.57 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 07:23.58 | Zeksie | mmm. unless it's flagged as auto approve? |
| 07:24.15 | Shirik | the only "auto-approve" is those files created by moderators and administrators |
| 07:24.16 | Zeksie | looks like it is. cos the new one is there already.. so ignore that ;) |
| 07:24.24 | Zeksie | mmm. maybe someone else did it then |
| 07:24.26 | Shirik | then maybe Cairenn is ninja |
| 07:24.29 | Zeksie | :) |
| 07:24.40 | Zeksie | well. thx whoever! |
| 07:24.40 | Shirik | she has this fancy app thingy |
| 07:24.41 | Shirik | I don't :( |
| 07:24.47 | Zeksie | arr |
| 07:24.50 | Fisker- | make one Shirik |
| 07:25.00 | haste | Shirik: and featured artists |
| 07:25.09 | Fisker- | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:25.10 | Arrowmaster | i think nev commented that Cairenn approved a bartender update before the page after submitting had finished loading for him |
| 07:25.17 | Shirik | and FAs |
| 07:25.18 | Fisker- | foams |
| 07:25.39 | Trela | My WoWInterface updates always approve instantly. :x |
| 07:25.58 | Arrowmaster | because Cairenn doesnt sleep |
| 07:26.04 | haste | she's a robot ! |
| 07:26.48 | WobWork | http://zarkmark.com/index.php |
| 07:26.50 | WobWork | hm |
| 07:26.56 | WobWork | this could end in tears =P |
| 07:28.36 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 07:28.37 | Fisker- | fuck that Wobin |
| 07:29.22 | Wobin | hehe they have an -interesting- way of verifying characters |
| 07:29.33 | Wobin | You have to log into a certain city, buy two items they specify then log out |
| 07:29.48 | Wobin | and equip them |
| 07:29.53 | Arrowmaster | lol? |
| 07:30.02 | Zhinjio | :spins around like MC Hammer, "Percoset Time, break it down!" |
| 07:30.16 | Arrowmaster | thats kinda ingenious |
| 07:30.20 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I guess there's no other real way of doing it |
| 07:30.26 | Fisker- | buy 2 diamond rings from booty bay? |
| 07:30.27 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 07:30.33 | Wobin | hehe |
| 07:30.34 | pnorman | Taking off a specified piece of gear is the other way I saw it done |
| 07:30.43 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: theres more expensive stuff |
| 07:30.49 | Fisker- | i hate you Arrowmaster |
| 07:32.03 | jnwhiteh | whats the next herb grade up from dreamfoil/felweed? |
| 07:32.07 | jnwhiteh | for inscription |
| 07:32.36 | NightHawkTheSane | er... |
| 07:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | dreamfoil/mountain silversage/golden sansam are one herb class |
| 07:33.00 | NightHawkTheSane | felweed is in the outland herb c ategory, and then next is northrend herbs |
| 07:33.23 | jnwhiteh | ah all outland herbs are on the same level? |
| 07:33.28 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 07:33.36 | jnwhiteh | ah cool |
| 07:33.42 | Xinhuan | i'll recommend just buying them off AH |
| 07:33.45 | Xinhuan | unless you're lvling herb |
| 07:33.49 | jnwhiteh | i need to skill up =) |
| 07:34.04 | jnwhiteh | 1/2 cycle of HFP and i'm +51 skill :P |
| 07:34.28 | Xinhuan | nobody's there! |
| 07:35.09 | jnwhiteh | i know :P |
| 07:35.26 | jnwhiteh | probably more profitable to sell the herbs |
| 07:35.27 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 07:35.49 | jnwhiteh | \is thre a better outland zone to farm? |
| 07:36.14 | jnwhiteh | as a druid (thus a cheater) |
| 07:36.32 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe nagrand, but not terribly |
| 07:39.41 | Wobin | It's prettier |
| 07:39.52 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 07:39.54 | jnwhiteh | less mountains |
| 07:40.11 | Wobin | You're flying, so the valleys and cliffs won't be a problem |
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| 07:40.50 | Fisker- | is JoL bugged? |
| 07:40.58 | Wobin | Hm I <3 defraggler |
| 07:41.11 | Wobin | being able to defragment specific sections of the HDD is great |
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| 07:42.01 | Esine | defragment the filesystem not hdd Wobin! .. unless you really have your hdd in pieces |
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| 07:42.33 | Wobin | Esine: at times, I think I have =\ |
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| 07:47.11 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 07:47.15 | jnwhiteh | density seems higher in HFP |
| 07:48.21 | Shirik | Ackis: ping |
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| 07:53.36 | NeoTron | do you have to kill aurelia or whatever before you do the keepers? |
| 07:54.02 | NeoTron | Auriaya |
| 07:55.01 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: ping? you awake / around? |
| 07:55.06 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 07:56.38 | Shirik | ooh |
| 07:56.46 | Shirik | Xinhuan and Cairenn having sekret chats |
| 07:56.48 | Shirik | I want in :( |
| 07:59.55 | Shirik | They're wiping arena points but not honor, right? |
| 08:00.04 | Shirik | So all my excess arena points, if I can't buy gear, I should buy honor? |
| 08:01.11 | pnorman | wtf can I do with more honor :( |
| 08:02.10 | Jamash | oh yeah, I need to buy honor points |
| 08:02.27 | Shirik | I can use honor |
| 08:02.32 | Shirik | I can't use arena points if they're being wiped |
| 08:03.38 | Xinhuan | whats the points -> honor exchange rate? |
| 08:03.40 | DWSR | What's the one liner to change talent specs? |
| 08:04.02 | Xinhuan | /usetalents # |
| 08:04.49 | Shirik | Xinhuan: 100 AP = 2000 honor |
| 08:05.12 | Xinhuan | so 1417 points mmmmmm 28000 honor |
| 08:06.17 | Xinhuan | how much are shoulders? |
| 08:06.17 | DWSR | Xinhuan: No, I want the intelligent one that switches to your alt spec. |
| 08:06.17 | DWSR | (i.e. whichever one isn't active atm). |
| 08:06.32 | Xinhuan | oh lol |
| 08:06.47 | Xinhuan | i would likely take more time to craft such a macro than actually typing /usetalents 1/2 |
| 08:07.06 | DWSR | It's a one liner. |
| 08:07.07 | Xinhuan | and there's always the possibility they will add more |
| 08:07.26 | Xinhuan | yeah but the one-liner involves looking up the functions used, involved for checking which u currently are |
| 08:07.31 | DWSR | It's like if getactivetalentspecs() > 1 then getactivetalentspec == 2 or 1 |
| 08:07.32 | Xinhuan | and what the function spell/call |
| 08:07.46 | Xinhuan | yeah, looking up those functions/variablse gonna take moer time ;p |
| 08:12.24 | Jamash | woohoo, 16k instant honor |
| 08:14.30 | Jamash | also I has a jubling :D |
| 08:16.32 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 08:16.33 | purl | ~pong |
| 08:16.51 | Jamash | pung |
| 08:17.51 | Fisker- | throws Shirik over the railing |
| 08:18.21 | jnwhiteh | oooh |
| 08:18.21 | Xinhuan | but jublong sounds nicer |
| 08:18.23 | jnwhiteh | new pretty graphs =) |
| 08:18.23 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 08:19.58 | Xinhuan | now make it more UML-ish ;p |
| 08:20.01 | jnwhiteh | now to figure out why the overall pages for the new objects aren't working |
| 08:20.02 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 08:20.03 | jnwhiteh | fuck UML |
| 08:20.07 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 08:20.12 | nevcairiel | rather, fuck UML tools |
| 08:20.20 | nevcairiel | they all suck |
| 08:26.14 | pnorman | Xinhuan: WM is modifying one of your addons for me |
| 08:26.28 | Shirik | Hey hey hey hey |
| 08:26.32 | Xinhuan | ohh? |
| 08:26.36 | Shirik | UML got me my internship (well, I think so at least) |
| 08:26.45 | Shirik | I wish they'd just confirm me for the damn position already |
| 08:26.47 | pnorman | BankItems - it changes the .toc to 30100 |
| 08:26.49 | Shirik | instead of beating around the bush |
| 08:26.51 | nevcairiel | so wirte a good UML tool! |
| 08:27.00 | nevcairiel | pnorman: it does that to all addons |
| 08:27.03 | nevcairiel | the .toc update |
| 08:27.22 | Xinhuan | wowmatrix modifies ALL addon's ## Interface number |
| 08:27.31 | Shirik | addons' |
| 08:27.36 | Shirik | lern 2 english |
| 08:27.43 | Xinhuan | and apparently stores the old Interface number in WowMatrix.dat |
| 08:27.48 | pnorman | Yep |
| 08:27.50 | Xinhuan | so it knows what the old value is |
| 08:27.52 | Xinhuan | so |
| 08:27.56 | Shirik | in a very complex encryption scheme |
| 08:28.01 | Shirik | known as gzip |
| 08:28.07 | Xinhuan | does that count as copyright infringment? ;p |
| 08:28.13 | Shirik | it doesn't even have a password so it's impossible to break the encryption |
| 08:28.17 | pnorman | unforunately no |
| 08:28.28 | jnwhiteh | screams |
| 08:28.28 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7032#comments |
| 08:28.29 | nevcairiel | the client modifies it, its not hosted modified somewhere |
| 08:28.30 | nevcairiel | so no |
| 08:29.01 | Fisker- | what comment am i looking at jnwhiteh ? |
| 08:29.05 | pnorman | once I get the addon from you I can do whatever I want with it, it's distributing that I need permission for |
| 08:29.21 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Here's an interesting twist |
| 08:29.22 | jnwhiteh | anything from xromania⢠|
| 08:29.32 | Shirik | Let us assume it is distributed online from "foo" |
| 08:29.45 | Shirik | However the only way to access foo is through some tool, which we will call bar |
| 08:30.00 | nevcairiel | .oO ( its a foo bar! ) |
| 08:30.01 | Shirik | bar /always/ modifies the distributed file, despite the fact that foo hosts it in its original form |
| 08:30.28 | Shirik | is the distributed copy modified or not? |
| 08:30.44 | nevcairiel | Thats up for the courts to decide |
| 08:30.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:30.58 | nevcairiel | Since it doesnt even apply to WM, i'm going to take a shower |
| 08:31.17 | Shirik | can't tell if nevcairiel is being sarcastic |
| 08:31.33 | pnorman | You can get the addons directly from WM |
| 08:31.49 | Shirik | well now you're getting into even more questionability |
| 08:31.54 | Arrowmaster | really a judge would look at it to see if the intent was to deliver a modified copy and probably if actions were taking to specificly try to avoid laws while still doing what they were intended to stop |
| 08:31.56 | Shirik | is it true that bar is the only way to get it |
| 08:32.06 | Shirik | because obviously you could fake being bar and get it |
| 08:33.21 | pnorman | in the case of WM you can easily get the addons without using their client, knowing the locations |
| 08:33.54 | Shirik | you can't really call that "easily" |
| 08:33.59 | Shirik | you have to find out the locations |
| 08:34.20 | Shirik | that requires wireshark, debuggers, or something similar |
| 08:34.37 | Arrowmaster | or just a simple firewall that logs http traffic |
| 08:34.42 | Arrowmaster | which isnt uncommon |
| 08:34.55 | Shirik | but these are all things an average user wouldn't have the intelligence to do |
| 08:35.04 | Fisker- | ½XT-002 Deconstructor will no longer cast Light Bomb or Gravity Bomb while channeling Tympanic Tantrum. <-yay |
| 08:35.05 | Shirik | the average user would be "wowmatrix is the only way I see those files" |
| 08:35.10 | Fisker- | we actually got a shot at XT-002 now |
| 08:35.31 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: you can still have a gravity bomb on you when the tantrum starts, though =) |
| 08:35.34 | Shirik | where did you see that Fisker- |
| 08:35.39 | pnorman | damn nurfs |
| 08:35.45 | nevcairiel | Shirik: recent ingame fixes thread |
| 08:35.56 | Shirik | hotfix? |
| 08:36.01 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474158165&sid=1 |
| 08:36.07 | nevcairiel | yeah probably |
| 08:36.14 | nevcairiel | those are all hotfixes |
| 08:37.02 | Fisker- | yeah nevcairiel |
| 08:37.06 | Fisker- | but that's not really a problem |
| 08:37.17 | Fisker- | Every damn time he cast that stupid earthquake someone got a gravity bomb |
| 08:37.26 | Fisker- | there were _NO_ survivors :3 |
| 08:37.40 | pnorman | we didn't have that problem |
| 08:37.43 | nevcairiel | we got the "let no-one die on gravity bomb" achievement |
| 08:37.43 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 08:37.56 | Fisker- | lucky you pnorman :E |
| 08:37.56 | pnorman | were the people without the bomb running away from the person with during that phase? |
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| 08:38.27 | Fisker- | how would that work? |
| 08:38.35 | Fisker- | they all move the same speed? |
| 08:38.43 | pnorman | people with it take off in on direction, people without in the other |
| 08:38.58 | Fisker- | ah yeah good idea |
| 08:39.16 | Fisker- | didn't think of that at the time :P |
| 08:39.25 | Fisker- | We went with a different idea |
| 08:39.56 | Fisker- | Having casters spread out in a half circle at ~max range, melee behind him in a half circle as well, and we would then have dedicated healers for the melee |
| 08:40.20 | pnorman | 10 or 25? |
| 08:40.22 | Fisker- | 25 |
| 08:40.33 | pnorman | What we did in 25 was the spread strat |
| 08:40.42 | pnorman | For the group strat, you do need everyone running in that phase |
| 08:41.12 | Fisker- | ye |
| 08:41.21 | Fisker- | i lol'd that they nerfed razorscale though |
| 08:41.37 | Fisker- | Not terribly hard |
| 08:45.15 | pnorman | Looks like Ignis might now be non-buggy |
| 08:47.15 | Amuro | boo |
| 08:47.16 | haste | oh? |
| 08:47.29 | haste | he was hitting me in the pot yesterday :( |
| 08:49.07 | Shirik | yjsy |
| 08:49.12 | Shirik | that's been fixed haste |
| 08:49.41 | haste | nice |
| 08:49.48 | haste | it sucked so hard in 10-man yesterday |
| 08:49.57 | haste | it was like: healer -> pot -> boink -> wipe |
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| 09:04.20 | Shirik | haste |
| 09:04.20 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 09:06.56 | haste | Shirik: you know the pushwalls in wolfenstein :D ? |
| 09:07.08 | Shirik | um |
| 09:07.08 | Shirik | no |
| 09:07.19 | haste | the walls you could push on and they would slide away |
| 09:08.30 | Shirik | I have no idea what you're talking about :P |
| 09:08.44 | haste | never played wolfenstein 3d :( ? |
| 09:08.52 | Shirik | no |
| 09:08.56 | haste | :o |
| 09:09.16 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFsZz_xDuSE 15 sec into that |
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| 09:09.42 | haste | that's a pushwall |
| 09:09.45 | Doad | Whats the 3.1 interface number? |
| 09:09.50 | haste | anyway, on rise of the triad they could bug |
| 09:09.54 | haste | and escape out of the map |
| 09:09.56 | Doad | 31000? |
| 09:09.56 | Zhinjio | Doad: 30100 |
| 09:09.58 | haste | which would cause that error |
| 09:10.06 | haste | as it says in the topic Doad :) |
| 09:10.18 | Doad | oh :) |
| 09:10.25 | Doad | Thanks Zhinjio |
| 09:15.53 | Zhinjio | you bet |
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| 09:18.29 | Jamash | rise of the triad was awesome |
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| 09:23.00 | Amuro | i know this is a weird question to ask |
| 09:23.07 | Amuro | what poisons do i use for mutilate lol |
| 09:23.12 | Amuro | while im leveling |
| 09:23.12 | Syzgyn | weird like your face! |
| 09:23.22 | Syzgyn | sorry, no idea |
| 09:23.34 | Syzgyn | probably deadly mh instant oh? |
| 09:37.27 | haste | I use deadly/deadly when I'm grinding now |
| 09:37.33 | haste | mostly because I'm too lazy to shiv |
| 09:37.39 | haste | and mobs generally die pretty fast |
| 09:37.46 | haste | IP does nice damage however |
| 09:39.24 | Amuro | im almost 50 |
| 09:39.27 | Amuro | so im going mut |
| 09:39.36 | Amuro | sub is nice and all but |
| 09:39.41 | Amuro | i wanna pew pew faster lol |
| 09:40.08 | Amuro | haste u think u can wowhead me a talent build for mut @ 50 plz? :D |
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| 09:44.14 | jnwhiteh | anyone know what we can use to replace the old GetTradeSkillItemStats? |
| 09:46.00 | jnwhiteh | specificaly, is there any way other than via tooltips to get "Requires Level 20" for an item? |
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| 09:47.33 | jnwhiteh | nvm |
| 09:47.34 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 09:47.54 | haste | Amuro: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#fMxcoTgoiboGz |
| 09:49.12 | haste | Amuro: also dual wound poison is probably nice |
| 09:49.25 | haste | compared to dual deadly that is |
| 09:49.36 | Amuro | fast fast faggers right? |
| 09:50.23 | haste | shouldn't matter much while leveling really |
| 09:50.36 | haste | but yes, that's generally the idea :) |
| 09:58.48 | nuoHep | if you are going dual wound you basically waste 5 talent points in this build... |
| 09:59.15 | nuoHep | in improved poisons specifically |
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| 10:12.00 | jnwhiteh | anyone know of an addon that implements an /addons command? |
| 10:13.29 | Xinhuan | what would that do |
| 10:13.36 | jnwhiteh | its for an addon i'm writing |
| 10:13.38 | jnwhiteh | just an abbreviation |
| 10:13.44 | jnwhiteh | was just curious if anyone has run into it |
| 10:17.57 | Cairenn | ummm .... okay, I know I'm tired, but let me see if I've got this right .... you're writing an addon about an addon that adds an addon command, and it's an abbreviation? |
| 10:18.07 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 10:18.12 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 10:18.17 | Cairenn | falls over |
| 10:18.54 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:25.40 | jnwhiteh | tekkub: any reason an LDB object shouldn't be able to change its type? |
| 10:28.39 | Ackis | ugh |
| 10:28.56 | Ackis | why does something so good (ice cream) hurt so bad (lactos intollerant)? |
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| 11:04.26 | Etanol | ~alcohol |
| 11:04.27 | purl | well, alcohol is the answer to most of lifes problems.., or a good excuse to alias rm='rm -i', or a cause of "rm -rf . / "'s, or the cause of, and solution to, all of lifes problems, or ask me about ambrosia |
| 11:06.20 | Kraftman | ~ambrosia |
| 11:06.20 | purl | somebody said ambrosia was ask me about alcohol |
| 11:06.27 | Kraftman | >< |
| 11:07.00 | Tenchworks | lol so the answer to lifes problems is an infinite loop |
| 11:07.59 | Kraftman | purl, purl? |
| 11:07.59 | purl | ACTION coughs up a hairball , or a bit funky |
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| 11:16.50 | Etanol | purl, yo |
| 11:16.51 | purl | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 11:16.56 | Etanol | ;> |
| 11:20.09 | sylvanaar | ~ambrosia |
| 11:20.10 | purl | i guess ambrosia is ask me about alcohol |
| 11:20.46 | sylvanaar | purl, no ambrosia is ask me about fracking alcohol |
| 11:20.47 | purl | sylvanaar: okay |
| 11:21.15 | sylvanaar | ~ambrosia |
| 11:21.16 | purl | i heard ambrosia is ask me about fracking alcohol |
| 11:22.22 | sylvanaar | i miss the show already... |
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| 12:05.31 | Etanol | ;: |
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| 12:08.33 | Wobin | It is your friend! |
| 12:08.50 | Wobin | oops |
| 12:08.52 | Wobin | Lacteeze |
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| 12:18.06 | Spectre | hey guys need a hand with something, i used to have a macro that gave me the button name for SetBindingClick() but ive lost it, anyone no what it is or where i can find it? |
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| 12:19.41 | Spectre | it would tell me the name of the buttonmy mouse was hovering over, not ringing any bells iwth anyone? |
| 12:24.41 | jnwhiteh | do /run GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 12:26.34 | Spectre | ah ok tyvm |
| 12:28.44 | Spectre | worked like a charm ty |
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| 12:52.27 | jnwhiteh | kk |
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| 12:52.55 | Fisker- | <-winrar is me |
| 12:57.04 | Etanol | ~whaleparry jnwhiteh |
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| 13:55.25 | zenzelezz | hm, this guys's asking for a blacksmith, I tell him I am. He asks me to link it, so I do. He then says he can't click it and wants me to link it on the trade channel... for some reason he doesn't want to just say what it is he needs |
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| 13:56.57 | Cruciformer | Good afternoon. anyone around that works with / knows the UIDropDown stuff? |
| 13:57.05 | Xinhuan | yes? :) |
| 13:57.22 | Cruciformer | oh hi Xian, Ive exchanged forum msgs with you on wowace :) |
| 13:57.33 | Xinhuan | spelling fail |
| 13:58.20 | Cruciformer | Im having a problem. I have a tabbed interface. When I initialize the think, it seems that the last UIDropDown that I initialize sets the labels for all other UIDropDown elements on all tabs. |
| 13:59.01 | Cruciformer | its as if it is somehow not recognising that I am working with a new UIDropDown. The GetValue()/SetValue() are correct, and the correct items display after I press the drop down, but the initial display is wwrong. |
| 13:59.12 | Xinhuan | hide it first |
| 13:59.20 | Xinhuan | then toggle the menu to reopen it |
| 13:59.48 | Cruciformer | you mean interactively? |
| 14:00.07 | Xinhuan | actually i'm not sure what you are even talking abot |
| 14:00.10 | BWMerlin | zenzelezz trade links not working is a known bug |
| 14:01.08 | Cruciformer | I'll try explain better. A UIDropDown menu has two main components: the value label that shows the currently selected value, and the button to the right that you press to get the list of possible values, which when you select one, changes the main text label. |
| 14:01.17 | zenzelezz | BWMerlin: I'm just curious why he refuses to tell me what he's actually looking for |
| 14:01.59 | Cruciformer | I create a dropdown menu, initialize it with all of the right values, and call UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue (initialvalue) |
| 14:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: have you sent that document off to the hosting provider? |
| 14:02.12 | Xinhuan | about 36 hours ago |
| 14:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Have the link handy? |
| 14:02.37 | Xinhuan | link of what |
| 14:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | The source we dug up indicates they have to addon mirrors, of which only 1 was mentioned |
| 14:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | To your .zip |
| 14:02.54 | Xinhuan | http://oscar5.wowmatrix.com/addons/Omen.3.0.7.zip |
| 14:03.11 | Xinhuan | feel free to try oscar?.matrix.com |
| 14:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The only other one mentioned in the source was 6 |
| 14:03.24 | Cruciformer | I have about 6 or 7 such drop-down menus. When I display the dialog for the first time, the text label part of all dropsdowns uses the text from whatever the very last menu to be initialised was, not one of the valid values defined. |
| 14:03.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And as of now, both hosts are not sending it over |
| 14:03.31 | Cruciformer | Does that make it clearer? |
| 14:03.40 | Xinhuan | Cruciformer: no |
| 14:04.06 | Xinhuan | dialog? textform? initialize? |
| 14:04.13 | Xinhuan | makes no sense and have no relation to dropdowns |
| 14:04.30 | foxlit | dialog=frame |
| 14:04.37 | foxlit | textform=you misread |
| 14:04.44 | foxlit | initialize = UIDropDown_Initialize |
| 14:04.51 | Cruciformer | ty foxlit |
| 14:05.06 | mikma | ah, dropdown menus |
| 14:05.12 | mikma | gotta love them being so messy :D |
| 14:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: 2009-04-18 08:05:19 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 14:05.31 | ScytheBlade1 | On both of them |
| 14:05.35 | Cruciformer | I am this >< close to just writing my own and Blizzards dropdown abomination be damned. |
| 14:05.41 | Xinhuan | i already know it was taken down about 30 hours ago ScytheBlade1 |
| 14:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | oh k |
| 14:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 14:05.49 | Xinhuan | how do you open your menus, Cruciformer |
| 14:06.07 | Xinhuan | WoWI staff has the full scoop |
| 14:06.21 | mikma | i also love my new castingbar! ;) |
| 14:06.32 | Cruciformer | By simply clicking the button next to the dropdown. Little down-arrow thing. |
| 14:06.45 | mikma | cruciformer: ewwww! :D |
| 14:06.51 | mikma | that's one hard thing that arrow |
| 14:06.58 | Cruciformer | (thats interactively) |
| 14:07.09 | mikma | i managed to create a code that duplicates the dropdown over and over when you mouseover the arrow |
| 14:07.30 | mikma | i was missing the level2 dropdown menu completely ^^ |
| 14:07.32 | foxlit | yes, mikma, passing the level argument is serious bussiness :) |
| 14:07.36 | Cruciformer | they say a picture paints a thousand words. Perhaps I can put my addon up for download somewhere? |
| 14:07.46 | Xinhuan | have you read my UI dropdown menu guide Cruciformer? |
| 14:07.48 | mikma | cruciformer: pastey.net :) |
| 14:07.51 | Cruciformer | yes |
| 14:08.04 | mikma | xinhuan: guide? GIMME! |
| 14:08.06 | Xinhuan | my guide has nothing to do with using the template to make a "real dropdown" |
| 14:08.24 | Cruciformer | and I have poured over the actual framexml code that implements it. |
| 14:08.34 | Xinhuan | Mikk: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 14:08.38 | Xinhuan | mikma* |
| 14:08.42 | Xinhuan | not mikk ;p |
| 14:08.42 | foxlit | The question is more wha t |
| 14:08.46 | foxlit | "the text label part of all dropsdowns" is :) |
| 14:09.01 | mikma | xinhuan: superb, thanks baby |
| 14:09.09 | Xinhuan | oh my guide didn't go thru that |
| 14:09.20 | Xinhuan | cos i don't like blizzy templates lol |
| 14:09.35 | Xinhuan | you have to do some _G[Getname()..Text]:SetText() |
| 14:09.36 | Xinhuan | to do that shit |
| 14:09.40 | foxlit | urgh |
| 14:09.47 | foxlit | UIDropDownMenu_SetText(menu, "text") |
| 14:10.08 | Xinhuan | ya that's blizzard's wrapper function for it |
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| 14:16.27 | foxlit | My use of UIDropDown consists mostly of avoiding it's built-in selection features like the plague. |
| 14:17.09 | Xinhuan | my little guide should cover most sane usage |
| 14:17.14 | Xinhuan | of menus |
| 14:17.56 | Cruciformer | The best way I can explain the problem is by showing. If anyone is so-inclined, pls snag http://unix42.com/wow/KKonferSK.zip and I can show you the problem. |
| 14:17.58 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_041809_170608.jpg <- i <3 my castingbar :D |
| 14:18.52 | Cruciformer | and please forgive the abomination this is my very first mod. |
| 14:19.33 | amro | mikma: what's the funky font (and addon)? |
| 14:19.49 | mikma | amro: in middle of the screen? MSBT |
| 14:22.22 | mikma | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3157 |
| 14:24.09 | foxlit | I'm somewhat surprised -- I thought the news that those torrents were trojaned broke about 3 days after the torrents appeared, not recently. |
| 14:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: now they are actually being /used/ |
| 14:27.10 | foxlit | and before they just existed? |
| 14:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | and sat doing nothing, yes |
| 14:27.40 | foxlit | well, not *nothing* |
| 14:27.52 | foxlit | Or nobody would be able to use them for anything now. |
| 14:28.05 | Tenchworks | Mikma: what is that highlighting spells on your actionbars? |
| 14:28.58 | mikma | tenchworks: Dominos_Buff |
| 14:29.04 | foxlit | hm, something changed. |
| 14:29.13 | foxlit | (at freenode) |
| 14:29.15 | mikma | tenchworks: it's standalone, doesn't require Dominos to be installed |
| 14:29.44 | Tenchworks | mikma: oh nice gonna check it, thanks |
| 14:29.47 | mikma | tenchworks: if you are familiar with svn -> svn co http://tullamods.googlecode.com/svn/Dominos_Buffs/trunk/Dominos_Buff/ |
| 14:29.52 | Xinhuan | mikma is the guide useful? ^^ |
| 14:30.11 | Cruciformer | so does anyone have the time / inclination to download that mod so I can show them the problem? |
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| 14:31.03 | mikma | xinhuan: i guess it *will* be, if i code them again :I i had to learn everything by hand 4-5 days ago |
| 14:31.30 | Xinhuan | i abuse uidropdownmenu a lot now ;p |
| 14:31.50 | Xinhuan | know the whole thing inside out, a single frame object is enough for any number of menus |
| 14:34.51 | Cruciformer | still doesnt explain why UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedValue() causes teh wrong string to be displayed |
| 14:35.29 | Xinhuan | your code has to call it Cruciformer |
| 14:35.34 | Xinhuan | at the right time |
| 14:35.41 | Kraftman | cowers at the sight of UIDropDownMenu |
| 14:35.43 | Xinhuan | if your code doesn't, of course it'll show the wrong value |
| 14:35.55 | mikma | xinhuan: i tried to do the following: add Editbox on right of the arrowed line... but i encountered a problem. |
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| 14:36.22 | mikma | xinhuan: when dropdown loses focus, it'll go away :( therefore the editbox sticked around when you typed stuff and dropdown disappeared |
| 14:36.49 | Cruciformer | but it does. It calls UIDropDownMenu_Initialize(), adds all of the values by correctly filling in teh info structure, and tehn calls SetSelectedValue to select which one of those values is active. |
| 14:36.52 | Xinhuan | then won't you want a listbox rather than a dropdown? |
| 14:37.35 | Xinhuan | there's a setvalue |
| 14:37.37 | Xinhuan | function |
| 14:37.47 | Xinhuan | set selected value |
| 14:37.56 | Cruciformer | or you can provide it with static values |
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| 14:38.12 | mikma | xinhuan: listbox? |
| 14:38.22 | Xinhuan | mikma, faux scrollframe |
| 14:38.37 | Xinhuan | Cruciformer, i'm still not really understanding what you are after |
| 14:38.43 | Xinhuan | and no i'm not downloading any zip while i'm raiding |
| 14:38.46 | Cruciformer | thats a totally different beast, not at all what I need. |
| 14:38.53 | Cruciformer | arrrg this is so frustrating. |
| 14:39.08 | foxlit | Cruciformer: long story short, SetSelectedValue calls Refresh, which tries to pull data from the currently displayed dropdown. |
| 14:39.35 | Xinhuan | your values need to match |
| 14:39.35 | foxlit | Call SetText afterwards to set the text to whatever you want it to be. |
| 14:39.47 | Xinhuan | or you need to call settext yourself |
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| 14:39.56 | Xinhuan | in BankItems, i call settext myself |
| 14:39.57 | foxlit | (and, if you want to keep your sanity, just stay away from the selection mechanism) |
| 14:40.11 | mikma | xinhuan: i'm not actually sure how to accomplish that faux scrollframe |
| 14:40.18 | Cruciformer | the values do match Xinhuan |
| 14:41.10 | Cruciformer | foxlit: The currently selected one? It gets a frame as an argument and it looks like its supposed to pull it from that frame, not whichever one is currently selected. |
| 14:41.35 | foxlit | Ever seen multiple dropdown menus open at once? |
| 14:41.54 | Cruciformer | mikma: I wrote a considerably more flexible scrollframe thing. |
| 14:42.37 | mikma | care to link the code? |
| 14:42.41 | Cruciformer | they are not open at once. |
| 14:42.54 | foxlit | That's not what I'm suggesting. |
| 14:43.19 | Cruciformer | mikma: its embedded inside this mod I am working and trying to get help with, but I can point you at the code inside there ... http://unix42.com/wow/KKonferSK.zip |
| 14:43.25 | foxlit | I'm merely saying that there may never be two dropdown menus open at the same time |
| 14:43.53 | foxlit | Because *all* of them share the same frames that handle the dropdown list. |
| 14:44.27 | Cruciformer | ah yeah I am aware. They arent open, this is just the display of the currently selected value. For example, when you press 'C' for your character screen, the two dropdown lists for thing slike "Base DPS" or "Melee". |
| 14:44.58 | mikma | cruciformer: which file? |
| 14:45.00 | Cruciformer | Sorry, "Base Stats" |
| 14:45.14 | Cruciformer | KKore\KKoreUI.lua, the last function in that file |
| 14:45.52 | Cruciformer | called, appropriately enough, CreateScrollFrame :) |
| 14:45.53 | foxlit | Here's the missing part of the puzzle: |
| 14:46.07 | foxlit | the value and text data are stored in the buttons of the *common* DropDownList frames |
| 14:46.17 | mikma | here's the missing part of the pizza: cheese |
| 14:46.24 | foxlit | mm, pizza. |
| 14:46.31 | mikma | now i'm hungry |
| 14:46.38 | foxlit | See what you've done?! |
| 14:46.51 | mikma | yes, YES! i can see it, oh yes! |
| 14:47.05 | foxlit | Your careless wordplay has doomed us all. |
| 14:47.20 | mikma | my wordplay is like foreplay |
| 14:47.28 | mikma | mm, sex. |
| 14:47.30 | Cruciformer | foxlit: aha that may well be it! what is so odd tho is that when I change them interactively after pressing the down arrow thingy, there is no "contamination" from one box to another. |
| 14:48.38 | Cruciformer | and at least from what I was able to glean from the blizzard code its all supposed to be based off the frame name. So when I created the frame forthe dropdown, the buttons and text box are all based off that name |
| 14:50.21 | foxlit | There are two things at play |
| 14:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | who knows a good program for examining memory related to a process? |
| 14:51.07 | foxlit | The buttons and graphics that belong to the dropdown button (it's border, the little down arrow button) are created for you when you inherit from the relevant template. Those are based on your frame name, and are unique to every dropdown. |
| 14:51.27 | Cruciformer | scyth: I last needed to do that an age ago and used softice. There are other good debuggers, some of them free, that can do that. |
| 14:51.37 | Etanol | ~slap mikma |
| 14:51.38 | purl | ACTION slaps mikma, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:51.43 | foxlit | The dropdown lists that appear when you click the little arrow button are shared between all dropdowns in the game. Those lists also happen to be where the value/item text information is cached when a menu is opened |
| 14:51.50 | mikma | etanol: hai |
| 14:52.06 | Etanol | mikma: suo? |
| 14:52.17 | Etanol | s/o/p/ |
| 14:52.28 | foxlit | So while your frame stores which of its elements is selected, the Refresh code needs access to a list of your elements to figure out the corresponding text -- and that's only available if your frame is the one that currently owns the shared dropdown list. |
| 14:52.31 | mikma | suo means swamp in finnish :D |
| 14:52.42 | Etanol | ^^ |
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| 14:53.24 | Cruciformer | aha ... and how do I make a given dropdown (lets assume I have many) the one that "currently owns the shared dropdown list"? |
| 14:53.47 | foxlit | generally, you open it. |
| 14:53.56 | Cruciformer | programatically :) |
| 14:54.24 | Cruciformer | the issue is entirely on inital display. When I click the arrows it all settles down. |
| 14:55.06 | foxlit | You don't. |
| 14:55.11 | foxlit | Call _SetText instead. |
| 14:55.52 | foxlit | Or, rather, add a _SetText call after your _SetSelectedValue call |
| 14:57.13 | foxlit | (It's the easiest way to achieve what you want (correct label text) without incurring further problems) |
| 14:57.20 | Cruciformer | okie dokie I'll give that a whirl. |
| 14:57.38 | Cruciformer | Oh btw mika you still there? |
| 14:57.54 | augustl | is GetInboxInvoiceInfo for items you buy only? Not items you've sold? |
| 14:57.55 | Cruciformer | *mikma sorry |
| 14:58.16 | augustl | hm, probably not, nvm |
| 14:58.34 | mikma | cruciformer: ya |
| 14:59.02 | Cruciformer | for an example of how I use my scrollframe thingy, see KSKGUI-Users.lua. |
| 14:59.10 | mikma | will do |
| 15:00.01 | Cruciformer | the only real advantage mine has over fauxscrollframe is mine allows the containing list window to be resized, it doesnt need a static frame size. |
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| 15:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo, got more source out of wowmatrix |
| 15:04.36 | Etanol | awesome |
| 15:04.39 | Etanol | upload and share |
| 15:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | working on it |
| 15:05.26 | Nuckin | ScytheBlade1: decompiling it? |
| 15:05.28 | Etanol | maybe *somebody* could clean out their database or something nice like that ;) |
| 15:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 15:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me just say that Vista is amazing |
| 15:06.02 | Etanol | ~klaas |
| 15:06.16 | Nuckin | ScytheBlade1: lol now I'm curious |
| 15:06.57 | ScytheBlade1 | found 6 blocks of source so far |
| 15:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Still going! |
| 15:07.37 | Nuckin | ScytheBlade1: what language is it in? |
| 15:07.57 | Cruciformer | Just a wild-ass-guess here but decompiling or deconstructing wowmatrix is most likely against their license agreement. Hard to keep the moral highground if you're breaking their terms :) |
| 15:08.18 | Nuckin | Cruciformer: this is war :) |
| 15:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuckin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_(development_environment) |
| 15:08.30 | Cruciformer | and that makes breaking license terms ALL better. |
| 15:09.01 | Nuckin | Cruciformer: lol true |
| 15:09.38 | Cruciformer | I understand fully why people are pissed at wowmatrix but (in my very humble opinion) maintaining the moral highground would be the best way of defeating them. |
| 15:09.56 | Cruciformer | Im going back to this dropdown madness now ... soapbox suitable stored (but reserved for later use) |
| 15:10.00 | augustl | a function with return foo, bar, baz -- is it possible to capture foo, bar, baz as a table, instead of having to do var a, b, c = theFunction()? |
| 15:10.31 | augustl | when I do var result = theFunction();, I only get the first return value in 'result', and I want a table of all the return values. |
| 15:10.39 | Xinhuan | you can't |
| 15:10.55 | augustl | hm, ok |
| 15:10.58 | Xinhuan | you can do local t = {theFunction()} |
| 15:11.01 | Nuckin | augustl: table["foo"], table["bar"], table["baz"] = function() |
| 15:11.08 | Xinhuan | to create a table with the 3 return values |
| 15:11.18 | Xinhuan | or do it nuckin's way |
| 15:11.23 | augustl | Nuckin: but I still have to know how many arguments it returns? |
| 15:11.27 | augustl | would be nice if it was all dynamic |
| 15:11.31 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 15:11.31 | augustl | I'll try what Xinhuan mentioned |
| 15:11.59 | Etanol | ~klaas |
| 15:12.00 | purl | Yea, Klaas is awesome :> |
| 15:12.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ping |
| 15:12.20 | Nuckin | augustl: it'd be nice, but set it up to send anywhere from 1 to 10 values, and have it return nil for the values it "doesn't want to return" |
| 15:12.48 | Nuckin | augustl: so one, two, three, four, five = function() |
| 15:12.55 | augustl | Nuckin, Xinhuan: it's for some aliasing, so I guess I'm screwed anyway. "return a, b, c, d" and "return {a, b, c, d}" is probably different |
| 15:13.09 | Xinhuan | very |
| 15:13.24 | Xinhuan | one returns 1 table |
| 15:13.28 | Xinhuan | the other returns 4 values |
| 15:13.42 | Etanol | AUGUSTUS!!!! do you like chocolate |
| 15:13.43 | Nuckin | augustl: say there is only enough info to return two value, so it returns "foo, bar, nil, nil, nil" |
| 15:13.44 | Etanol | ? |
| 15:14.29 | augustl | the only real issue is that I'd have to update the addon if the API changes, which I can live with ; ) |
| 15:15.02 | Nuckin | augustl: gotta do that regardless =/ |
| 15:15.16 | Etanol | I want to make an iterative function, that gives a different value each time it's passed |
| 15:15.38 | Etanol | is it doable without setting a global counting variable / passing an n into the function? |
| 15:15.45 | Xinhuan | no |
| 15:15.57 | Etanol | oki |
| 15:16.15 | Xinhuan | wait what? |
| 15:16.21 | Xinhuan | maybe i'm confused |
| 15:16.40 | krka | yes it is |
| 15:16.41 | Etanol | for iterate(var) do block end |
| 15:16.53 | Etanol | or, |
| 15:16.59 | Etanol | for return = iterate(var) do block end |
| 15:17.34 | krka | read the manul |
| 15:17.39 | krka | it covers this |
| 15:18.04 | Etanol | the reference manual? |
| 15:18.08 | krka | yes |
| 15:18.17 | Etanol | `I think the reference manual is written in a weird way :P |
| 15:18.36 | krka | i think you are written in a weird way! |
| 15:18.39 | Etanol | var ::= prefixexp `[´ exp `] |
| 15:18.47 | Etanol | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 15:18.59 | jnwhiteh | its BNF |
| 15:19.02 | krka | you dont need to read the grammars for this |
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| 15:19.21 | jnwhiteh | it means a var consists of a prefixExp followed by the [ character, then an expression, and the ] character. |
| 15:19.58 | Etanol | could you give an example of a prefixExp? |
| 15:20.02 | Cruciformer | (and in case u case, which you probably dont, BNF= Bakkus-Naur Form, a way of expressing grammars and syntax) |
| 15:20.10 | jnwhiteh | it is all in the grammar |
| 15:20.13 | Cruciformer | *case u care |
| 15:20.14 | jnwhiteh | something you should not be concerned with |
| 15:20.47 | krka | this is not what you asked about before |
| 15:25.20 | Etanol | hmpf |
| 15:25.43 | Etanol | stat ::= functioncall |
| 15:25.50 | Etanol | what is stat? |
| 15:26.07 | Etanol | aha nvm |
| 15:26.40 | Etanol | uhm |
| 15:27.04 | Etanol | variables are declared to nil if nothing else is set, and yet lua treats nil and nonexistent the same? |
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| 15:29.16 | jnwhiteh | variables are not "declared" to nil |
| 15:29.21 | jnwhiteh | and yes, all nil values in Lua are the same. |
| 15:29.41 | Etanol | "Otherwise, all variables are initialized with nil." |
| 15:30.03 | jnwhiteh | that's different.. and what context are we talking about here |
| 15:30.17 | jnwhiteh | you can't just take a passage from teh refman, which you clearly shouldn't be reading, and take it out of context. |
| 15:30.31 | Etanol | the refman? :/ |
| 15:30.40 | jnwhiteh | reference manual |
| 15:30.40 | Cruciformer | what its trying to say is "local foo" is the same as "local foo = nil" |
| 15:31.18 | Etanol | and afaik, foo = nil is a very good way of destroying foo, and throwing it away |
| 15:31.33 | jnwhiteh | *shudder* |
| 15:31.38 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't destroy foo |
| 15:31.39 | Cruciformer | but its first usage so it has nothing to throw away does it? |
| 15:31.47 | jnwhiteh | it binds the variable 'foo' to the value 'nil' |
| 15:31.56 | jnwhiteh | it does not in any way affect the value that 'foo' was set to before. |
| 15:32.02 | Etanol | isn't nil the lack of value? |
| 15:32.21 | jnwhiteh | No |
| 15:32.22 | jnwhiteh | nil is a value. |
| 15:32.33 | Etanol | I thought nil is like, vacuum |
| 15:33.01 | jnwhiteh | nil is treated specially in a few ways, but it is not a vacuum |
| 15:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | *whistles* http://rapidshare.com/files/222869490/WM.zip.html |
| 15:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | btw, in task manager on vista, under the processes tab |
| 15:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | right-click --> Create Dump File |
| 15:34.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome command |
| 15:34.41 | jnwhiteh | quick |
| 15:34.45 | jnwhiteh | now someone make their own wowmatrix |
| 15:34.45 | jnwhiteh | quick! |
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| 15:36.53 | augustl | where on wowwiki is that list of available scripts for the various widget types? E.g. Button, Slider and so on. |
| 15:37.08 | augustl | found it ; ) |
| 15:37.10 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/<widgetname> |
| 15:37.28 | jnwhiteh | I'd bet money that its not up-to-date |
| 15:37.41 | Cruciformer | I think he meant http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_handlers |
| 15:37.48 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy is an easy way to get to all of them |
| 15:38.02 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: and as I said, its out of date |
| 15:38.08 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 15:38.35 | mikma | cruciformer: when jnwhiteh says something, he means it! |
| 15:38.45 | mikma | rule nr.45: Don't question jnwhiteh |
| 15:38.54 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 15:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | s/45/1/ |
| 15:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Or he'll kickbank you |
| 15:39.06 | jnwhiteh | alright then, I guess I won't help >< |
| 15:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | *kickban |
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| 15:41.33 | Lunessa | station |
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| 15:42.23 | Funkeh` | can't remember who was in change of wowcompares |
| 15:42.34 | jnwhiteh | Beladona, why whats up? |
| 15:42.46 | Funkeh` | Just to mark the 3.1 release when he has a second |
| 15:42.55 | jnwhiteh | ah its not up yet? |
| 15:42.57 | jnwhiteh | boo =) |
| 15:43.09 | Funkeh` | yeah, but I guess it's the same as the last ptr release |
| 15:43.30 | jnwhiteh | yeah it should be, hopefully he gets around to it tho |
| 15:46.00 | Cruciformer | foxlit: Still there? |
| 15:46.19 | zenzelezz | so, a couple of hours after ordering a new video card because of weird pixel glitches in games/Windows, I decide to nudge the DVI-cable to the monitor. Corruption goes away. Guess my linux box gets a new video card instead |
| 15:46.39 | Wobin | oh Zenzz =( |
| 15:46.51 | Wobin | can't cancel the order? |
| 15:47.08 | zenzelezz | I can, but I could actually use the old card from the linux box in my work computer, so it's all good |
| 15:47.30 | augustl | semicolons: yay or nay? |
| 15:47.33 | zenzelezz | just feel a little stupid for not trying the cable sooner :-p |
| 15:47.34 | zenzelezz | yay |
| 15:47.45 | augustl | I know it's optional, technically, I'm all about following conventions, tho' |
| 15:47.46 | Wobin | doesn't matter |
| 15:48.03 | Wobin | I don't use it in Lua |
| 15:48.11 | Wobin | but it can affect my work programming at times =P |
| 15:48.33 | augustl | I'm a rubyist, so I tend to not. But in javascript, I force myself to write them, so that my code is easily maintained by other javascript devs. |
| 15:48.35 | augustl | that's my main concern |
| 15:48.51 | augustl | (regarding deciding wether or not to use semicolons) |
| 15:48.51 | zenzelezz | I use semicolons because I like to be explicit |
| 15:48.57 | Wobin | rawr |
| 15:49.09 | augustl | f***k; |
| 15:49.22 | Wobin | no, f;;k |
| 15:49.34 | Wobin | (although I'm not sure what word f***k is =)) |
| 15:49.45 | Cruciformer | frank? |
| 15:49.56 | Wobin | fronk? |
| 15:50.05 | Cruciformer | well frank is an actual word :P |
| 15:50.45 | Cruciformer | means to be forthright, open eetc or the act of marking a stamp ... whatever it is they do when they stamp it. |
| 15:50.59 | Wobin | who says we're talking about real words? |
| 15:51.08 | Cruciformer | good point :) |
| 15:51.12 | augustl | c***p; |
| 15:51.15 | augustl | =/ |
| 15:51.24 | Wobin | crimp? |
| 15:51.28 | Cruciformer | croop? |
| 15:51.58 | augustl | also, I wish my mac didn't create all these dotfiles when coding addons via pc. |
| 15:52.06 | augustl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.30 | airtonix | consumerism: because throwing money at a problem is the best option. |
| 15:54.27 | Etanol | Xinhuan: Ping |
| 15:54.33 | Xinhuan | hi |
| 15:55.00 | Etanol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.43 | Etanol | oh nvm |
| 15:55.43 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 15:55.46 | Cruciformer | becuase its a function ot a method of UIDropDownMenu |
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| 16:03.33 | Duman | hmm |
| 16:03.33 | jnwhiteh | since someone asked for it |
| 16:03.34 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
| 16:04.11 | Wobin | are you notified if someone -unfollows- you on Twitter? |
| 16:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | not afaik. |
| 16:04.38 | Lunessa | Wobin: I don't know. Why would you care? |
| 16:04.50 | Wobin | Mechanics |
| 16:05.39 | cbreak | what does unfollow mean? |
| 16:05.42 | cbreak | stop following? |
| 16:06.44 | Wobin | Since we have no central repository, in order to simulate following/follower in WoW we have to store who to broadcast to in the user |
| 16:06.44 | cbreak | maybe fleeing |
| 16:06.44 | Wobin | yeah |
| 16:06.44 | Nuckin | anyone have the glitchy talent points after 3.1? |
| 16:06.44 | Wobin | a few of my guildmates did |
| 16:06.56 | mikma | augustl: <1903> <@jnwhiteh> http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
| 16:07.47 | augustl | yay =D |
| 16:08.36 | augustl | jnwhiteh: the ability to sort by widget type would make sense, so that you can list all scripts available for any given widget type |
| 16:08.47 | jnwhiteh | I already pointed you to a page that can deo that.. |
| 16:08.49 | jnwhiteh | like 10 minutes ago. |
| 16:09.00 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnAttributeChanged |
| 16:09.01 | jnwhiteh | for example |
| 16:09.04 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 16:09.14 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 16:09.16 | jnwhiteh | click on any of them |
| 16:09.20 | jnwhiteh | and it will tell you what methods, and what scripts. |
| 16:09.21 | jnwhiteh | always has |
| 16:10.00 | augustl | yay |
| 16:10.11 | Lunessa | Nuckin: It happened to me once, I logged out in spec:2 and came back in the morning to discover it had unlearned all by 5 points of the spec. |
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| 16:11.15 | cbreak | forgot to click "learn"? |
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| 16:14.26 | Wobin | no |
| 16:14.37 | Wobin | it tends to happen if there's a random reboot before you log back in |
| 16:14.40 | kneeki | Morning all |
| 16:18.54 | Nuckin | Lunessa: you get it fixed? GMs are being rather dismissive today |
| 16:19.58 | Lunessa | Nuckin: I was able to just retalent. My points didn't 'vanish' they just needed to be re-spent. |
| 16:22.34 | Nuckin | mine are spent |
| 16:23.00 | Lunessa | Kaelten: /comfort |
| 16:23.07 | Nuckin | Lunessa: so on my priest, even though shadowform requires 30 points in shadow, i got it with 27 lol |
| 16:23.18 | Nuckin | Lunessa: its really silly |
| 16:23.24 | Lunessa | Not the sort of problem I had at all. |
| 16:23.34 | Nuckin | Lunessa: but the glitch it reflected on wowarmory.com |
| 16:24.22 | Nuckin | Lunessa: i guess I'm unique =P |
| 16:26.15 | foxlit | Hm, they seem to have screwed up one of the Drakaru quests |
| 16:27.02 | foxlit | pet ends up being dismissed instantly. Though perhaps that's just always been there |
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| 16:33.48 | Kraftman | is there a way to do something like for i=1,100 do x="foo"..tostring(i) end without trashing GC? |
| 16:34.29 | foxlit | Are you just discarding the x? |
| 16:34.46 | Lunessa | And make sure to use locals, for pity's sake |
| 16:34.49 | cbreak | what do you need it for? |
| 16:34.55 | Kraftman | ahh local x before that sorry |
| 16:34.59 | foxlit | But the short answer is "no" |
| 16:35.05 | foxlit | The longer answer is "no, silly" |
| 16:35.11 | Kraftman | its not really for anything, just trying to get my head around garbage collection |
| 16:35.21 | cbreak | it only trashes the GC if you discard x |
| 16:35.51 | Kraftman | what happens to the old value of x when i set it to the new value? |
| 16:36.00 | Kraftman | it gets wiped there and then? |
| 16:36.09 | cbreak | no |
| 16:36.21 | cbreak | although, strings are value types |
| 16:36.26 | cbreak | so it might do something else |
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| 16:37.38 | Kraftman | ok |
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| 17:09.43 | Lunessa | Kaelten: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473759025&sid=1 - a request for help with the client, not QQ. |
| 17:09.44 | Antiarc | Strings are never GC'd - they're interned |
| 17:09.56 | Cruciformer | fixlit: I got that bug I had sorted out btw. but that dropdown code is abysmal. |
| 17:10.35 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: pong |
| 17:11.02 | Iriel | They're GC'ed in the sense that once nobody references a string it goes away |
| 17:11.35 | Antiarc | Iriel: You sure? I thought strings, once created, stayed around for the duration of the state's lifetime. |
| 17:12.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://rapidshare.com/files/222869490/WM.zip.html |
| 17:13.02 | Shirik | what is that |
| 17:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | stuff |
| 17:13.21 | mikma | explain |
| 17:13.27 | Shirik | did you do that? |
| 17:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | maaaaaayyyyybbbbbbeeeeee |
| 17:14.27 | Iriel | Antiarc: I'm pretty sure, yes. Otherwise memory would never stabilize in wow, it'd ALWAYS go up. |
| 17:14.47 | Antiarc | Hrm. I need to get into the Lua source again. |
| 17:15.11 | Antiarc | I had massive string garbage problems with threat-2.0 that couldn't be alleviated by GC cycles |
| 17:15.30 | Shirik | Was that before the GC was tuned, Antiarc? |
| 17:15.51 | Iriel | What I didn't know until recently is that weak table keys that are strings dont behave like references |
| 17:15.52 | Antiarc | It was a Lua 5.1 install, not sure what changes have been made recently, though |
| 17:16.17 | nicoli_s | ScytheBlade1 is that the wow matrix code? |
| 17:16.18 | Shirik | what Iriel said is the only reason I would consider strings not being GCed, but according to PIL they are |
| 17:16.32 | Shirik | nicoli_s is slow :P |
| 17:16.47 | nicoli_s | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.55 | Shirik | I was unpacking it yesterday :) |
| 17:17.03 | Gnarfoz | that's the whole of it, though? |
| 17:17.07 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 appears to have just decided to continue |
| 17:17.12 | mikma | scytheblade1: Screw you! the .zip exploded in my desktop |
| 17:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: ha |
| 17:17.20 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
| 17:17.28 | nicoli_s | wtf language is that? im not familiar with it |
| 17:17.34 | Gnarfoz | Runtime Revoluion |
| 17:17.52 | Shirik | wowmatrix is a bunch of hypercard stacks |
| 17:17.57 | Gnarfoz | successor or something from HyperCard stacks |
| 17:18.18 | Shirik | I also was able to acquire the passkey to their db files, nicoli_s, so we have their addon DBs too |
| 17:18.29 | nicoli_s | haha awesome |
| 17:18.29 | Wobin | it's very pseudocodish |
| 17:18.49 | mikma | shirik: oh you haxxor you! |
| 17:18.54 | mikma | ~shirik++ |
| 17:18.55 | Shirik | wtf is haxing about it |
| 17:18.57 | Shirik | it's sitting in my memory |
| 17:19.04 | Shirik | I was just looking at my computer's memory |
| 17:19.08 | Shirik | nothing wrong with that >.> |
| 17:19.11 | mikma | haxxor |
| 17:19.32 | mikma | you do know the original meaning of hacker, right shirik? |
| 17:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Vista lets you arbitrarily dump a process to disk, too |
| 17:19.56 | Shirik | yes mikma |
| 17:20.04 | Shirik | I've read "How to ask the right questions" etcv |
| 17:20.04 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.08 | mikma | shirik: then you should be proud |
| 17:20.11 | Shirik | Wobin: Apparently a developer :) |
| 17:20.15 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.31 | Shirik | my client strips out spaces :P |
| 17:20.32 | Gnarfoz | indeed, 'you hacker' is praise ;P |
| 17:20.33 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.43 | Shirik | Wobin: A bad developer :) |
| 17:20.45 | Shirik | More importantly |
| 17:20.50 | Shirik | why does it have to know if you're a developer |
| 17:20.56 | Shirik | my client doesn't care if it's me or not :/ |
| 17:21.18 | mikma | shirik: it enables bugmessages! |
| 17:21.19 | Wobin | he has a dev environment |
| 17:21.53 | Lunessa | You guys should read "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" about the original 'hackers" in MITs Model Railroad Club |
| 17:22.25 | mikma | i still think it's stupid that hacker name has been drawn in the mud :( |
| 17:22.37 | Shirik | I still tend to use "cracker" for that term |
| 17:22.49 | Wobin | welcome to Media Coverage 101 |
| 17:22.55 | Shirik | However I have already said what I did yesterday is a bit too "black hat" for me |
| 17:23.15 | Cruciformer | BTW shirik if you want to know whats wrong with what you did (and "its sitting in my memory isnt a valid excuse), see term 3 of its EULA. |
| 17:23.17 | Shirik | which is part of the reason I held back |
| 17:23.34 | mikma | shirik: exactly, cracker is bad, hacker is good. |
| 17:23.47 | Shirik | Cruciformer: What EULA? |
| 17:24.06 | Cruciformer | "*Prohibition on reverse engineering, decompilation and disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise reduce the SOFTWARE PRODUCT to a human perceivable form." |
| 17:24.21 | Cruciformer | the one you cliked accept on when you ran wowmatrix for the first time. |
| 17:24.28 | Lunessa | Heh, back in the day when I was working for a major ISP, a couple of guys threw a party. It was a big party, and lots of non-technical people were there. Some of us were in the back part of the house playing with a new Linux box (and all moderately drunk) when someone's date wandered back there... |
| 17:24.29 | Shirik | hm, I clicked accept on nothing |
| 17:24.35 | mikma | hah |
| 17:24.42 | Wobin | Shirik has trained his cat to click buttons =) |
| 17:24.54 | mikma | good cat. |
| 17:24.55 | Shirik | however I have had WM installed for a VERY long time |
| 17:25.01 | Shirik | it's very possible they did not have an EULA months ago |
| 17:25.11 | Shirik | and if they fail to show me the EULA on update, it's their problem, not mine |
| 17:25.17 | Cruciformer | you may not recall licking it but I highly doubt they would have released it without a EULA. |
| 17:25.19 | Wobin | Blizzard knows about that |
| 17:25.26 | Shirik | I don't Cruciformer |
| 17:25.28 | Lunessa | She saw us all clustered around a computer, ANSI C and ASCII charts on the wall, and code jokes every where and asked ins a subdued voice "Are you guys, um... /hackers/?" |
| 17:25.31 | Thunder_Child | he licks nothing without looking first |
| 17:25.47 | Wobin | pft, Shirik is a rabid licker |
| 17:25.54 | Wobin | he'll lick anything |
| 17:25.59 | Thunder_Child | yes, but he checks first |
| 17:26.01 | Cruciformer | anyway ... do what you wanna do but I just think if people are so bothered by wowmatrix that breaking their EULA makes you equally, or perhaps even more guilty than any crime they may have commited by snagging files from curse and WOWI. |
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| 17:26.15 | kraftman | u were coding at a party? |
| 17:26.42 | Wobin | all crimes are created equal? |
| 17:26.49 | Iriel | Cruciformer: I'm not sure i'd go QUITE that far. |
| 17:26.53 | Cruciformer | no my crimes has special dispensation :) |
| 17:26.57 | Shirik | Cruciformer: My objective was only to verify they were in compliance with a DMCA request. They were, and I stopped. |
| 17:27.02 | Lunessa | Kraftman: No, I was at a party hosted by a co-worker, in his home. And he wanted to show off a new computer. |
| 17:27.14 | kraftman | ahh i thought u meant a work party ^^ |
| 17:27.39 | Shirik | Though we did get into an interesting legal debate about the GPL yesterday |
| 17:27.40 | Cruciformer | Sirik: No you did not stop there. You have posted that link for others to download several times. Thereforem, you not only broke the terms of the EULA, you are now in direct violation of copyright laws by distributing it. |
| 17:27.48 | Wobin | Shirik did not post that link |
| 17:27.49 | Gnarfoz | <Cruciformer> BTW shirik if you want to know whats wrong with what you did (and "its sitting in my memory isnt a valid excuse), see term 3 of its EULA. <-- good thing EULAs are not valid where I am, so I'm good? :p |
| 17:27.49 | Wobin | btw |
| 17:28.19 | Shirik | Anyway, Cruciformer, there's no point in me talking to you about this right now |
| 17:28.24 | Shirik | So I'm going to continue with my GPL discussion |
| 17:28.38 | Shirik | We have an interesting loophole in the GPL |
| 17:28.49 | Cruciformer | like I said I dont care what you do, personally :) And the GPL is anethema coz its viral :P |
| 17:29.10 | mikma | i'd rather take this moment to discuss about the fact what happens if i would put my finger in shirik's butthole. |
| 17:29.20 | Shirik | The GPL requires that any modified version specifies that you must clearly identify whatever modifications you make to the original |
| 17:29.26 | Lunessa | mikma: Shirik kills you? |
| 17:29.27 | Cruciformer | mikma: You could examine his memory from the inside :) |
| 17:29.28 | Thunder_Child | mikma, many things |
| 17:29.52 | kraftman | ~prostate |
| 17:29.54 | mikma | wow, three highlights in a row! |
| 17:29.56 | Shirik | But what if you redistribute the original, but make it only accessible by a tool that modifies that file? |
| 17:30.13 | Shirik | It seems that this is permissible by the GPL |
| 17:30.57 | Wobin | like some sort of compression software? |
| 17:30.58 | Cruciformer | What about under definitions: To modify a work means to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission, other than the making of an exact copy. |
| 17:31.06 | Cruciformer | Notice the words "exact copy"? |
| 17:31.50 | Grum | Does anyone here have experience with Texture:SetRotation() ? I just cant get it work work and it behaves very awkwardly (it scales my texture for some reason o.O) |
| 17:31.53 | Shirik | but you do make something other than exact copy |
| 17:32.06 | Shirik | but the question isn't the definition of "modify" it's the question of who made the modification |
| 17:32.11 | Shirik | did the user, or did the redistributer? |
| 17:32.34 | Iriel | Grum: Is your texture SetTexCoord'ed beforehand? |
| 17:32.41 | Iriel | Grum: And is your Texture square? |
| 17:32.42 | Grum | Iriel: no |
| 17:32.44 | Grum | yes |
| 17:33.03 | Cruciformer | IANAL but I am pretty sure that you still have culpability if you make the software availiable only via that tool, since it was an explicit act on your behalf (or someone elses, in which case they are violating the GPL). |
| 17:33.15 | Wobin | Is that like packaging cheese in packaging made of a grate that the only way to get the cheese out is to push it through the grater? =) |
| 17:33.21 | Shirik | Let us assume for a second that that's true Cruciformer |
| 17:33.26 | Grum | calling SetRotation(0) on it scales the texture down from 200x200 to 120x120 for some odd reason |
| 17:33.39 | Shirik | then we'll get into this discussion: Is it really arguable that it's "only available via that tool" |
| 17:34.06 | Shirik | Because if you wireshark the app, etc., then you will find the HTTP requests by the app |
| 17:34.13 | Shirik | and then you can go directly to the site and get it |
| 17:34.20 | Shirik | But 99% of users cannot do that |
| 17:34.37 | Cruciformer | I had that exact argument with Stallman and Chris DiPonna once, and the fact that the software is available from other sources in its original form does not mittigate YOUR culpability in distributing modified copies. |
| 17:35.29 | Grum | Iriel: http://ace.pastey.net/112550 gives the following image: http://grum.nl/WoWScrnShot_041809_180003.jpg |
| 17:35.58 | Dagmar | The GPL is not viral. |
| 17:36.09 | Shirik | huh? |
| 17:36.16 | Grum | Iriel: please tell me i am doing something completely retarded and that there is an easy way to fix it :) |
| 17:36.19 | Cruciformer | it is. It promotes and agenda not software freedom. |
| 17:36.22 | Gnarfoz | that's like the most idiotic statement by dagmar, yet |
| 17:36.31 | Cruciformer | the BSD license is free. The GPL is not. |
| 17:36.32 | Dagmar | No, that's propaganda. |
| 17:36.42 | Cruciformer | Nom, thats fact. |
| 17:36.56 | Dagmar | Companies are perfectly welcome to keep their modifications in house. |
| 17:37.16 | Cruciformer | Not if anyone actually uses their product they are not. |
| 17:37.33 | Dagmar | Then they would be distributing their modifications. |
| 17:37.39 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 17:38.02 | Shirik | the BSD license is too lenient |
| 17:38.07 | Cruciformer | If you modify, for example, emacs. And anyone uses it, you have to provide the full source code for the exact version they are running. |
| 17:38.12 | Dagmar | If they're not distributing their modifications to others, then they've no obligation to ship source |
| 17:38.26 | Iriel | Grum: I can't reconcile your code with that screenshot |
| 17:38.26 | Gnarfoz | they also have no reason to license it under ANY license, then. |
| 17:38.26 | Cruciformer | the BSD license promotes freedom. The GPL promotes free software there is a difference. |
| 17:38.33 | Gnarfoz | because they're keeping it to themselves anyway |
| 17:38.51 | Grum | Iriel: the first section is the 'right part' -- but i dont get why it gets these borders, it makes no sense |
| 17:38.51 | Dagmar | Doesn't make it viral. |
| 17:39.00 | Gnarfoz | why would they GPL-license their own stuf to themselves? |
| 17:39.03 | Grum | and it seems it gets data from other images to fill the gaps |
| 17:39.59 | Grum | Iriel: could you perhaps give a simple sample where you rotate that texture 45 degrees? |
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| 17:41.43 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: why is BSD too lenient? |
| 17:42.00 | Grum | Iriel: or does a rotating texture require transparent pixels around the edges? |
| 17:42.01 | Shirik | I just don't feel it imposes enough restrictions on redistributors |
| 17:42.11 | Iriel | Grum: Yes it idoes |
| 17:42.12 | Shirik | all that's required is the copyright notice/license |
| 17:42.21 | Grum | Iriel: then i still dont get the scaling |
| 17:42.23 | jnwhiteh | I feel the GPL imposes too many restrictions on the authors and the redistributers |
| 17:42.29 | jnwhiteh | there are two sides to this story =) |
| 17:42.33 | Iriel | You dont have ANY rotation in your example code |
| 17:42.33 | Grum | or will it scale the image to fit with its boundaries? |
| 17:42.38 | Grum | i know! |
| 17:42.38 | Iriel | so I dont understand this at all |
| 17:42.40 | Grum | that is the thing |
| 17:42.40 | zenzelezz | not to mention the GPL is hard to comprehend |
| 17:42.42 | Cruciformer | A more important question is if you are writing software for the love of it and want it to be free to the maximum number of people, why do you want more restrictions than the BSD (either 3 or 4-clause) |
| 17:42.48 | Grum | if i put in 2*math.pi it does the same |
| 17:42.49 | Shirik | zenzelezz: That may be intentional :P |
| 17:42.56 | Grum | if i put in math.pi the image is turned around |
| 17:43.00 | Iriel | Oh.. I know I think |
| 17:43.11 | Iriel | Grum: Put T:SetTexCoord(0,0,0,0) |
| 17:43.11 | Shirik | Cruciformer: Because your software can magically have your name removed |
| 17:43.12 | zenzelezz | Shirik: of course, I'm just saying it can scare away people |
| 17:43.15 | Dagmar | Cruciformer: Questioning motives isn't going to help you |
| 17:43.37 | Cruciformer | No it cannot. The BSD license magically probits the removal of copyright notices :P |
| 17:43.38 | Grum | Iriel: before or after? |
| 17:43.42 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: since when? |
| 17:43.45 | Iriel | Grun at line 20 |
| 17:43.49 | jnwhiteh | that's explicitly in violation of the BSD license |
| 17:43.51 | Iriel | or 19 |
| 17:43.52 | Iriel | your call |
| 17:43.55 | Shirik | Neither the name of the <ORGANIZATION> nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. |
| 17:43.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:43.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:44.00 | Shirik | I see |
| 17:44.04 | Cruciformer | * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, |
| 17:44.04 | Cruciformer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.09 | Grum | still the same problem |
| 17:44.11 | Shirik | Ah well, I don't use BSD :P |
| 17:44.13 | Grum | i also tried that with 0,1,0,1 |
| 17:44.16 | Iriel | So it looks identical? |
| 17:44.18 | Grum | the fun part is |
| 17:44.23 | Grum | when i restart my wow |
| 17:44.24 | Iriel | Ah, yes, sorry, 0,0,0,0 would be wrong 8-) |
| 17:44.26 | Grum | the filler images are different |
| 17:44.28 | jnwhiteh | perhaps you should have educated yourself before spreading FUD about it? |
| 17:44.35 | Shirik | Not reall FUD |
| 17:44.45 | Cruciformer | pretty real :) |
| 17:45.00 | Iriel | That smells like a bug, or at worst some kind of bizarre interaction with something else |
| 17:45.04 | Shirik | I tend to have a problem with non-free applications using my programs unless I really want them to be able to use them |
| 17:45.15 | Grum | Iriel: is it perhaps scaling the images down to the scale it needs to be to fit inside the square on the 'worst' rotation (45deg) |
| 17:45.28 | Dagmar | So basically, they encourage stripping credit |
| 17:45.39 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: define "free" =) |
| 17:45.48 | Cruciformer | Shirik: Like I said a while back ... it depends if you want freedom or free software. |
| 17:45.51 | jnwhiteh | And you'll be at the heart of the argument |
| 17:46.12 | Cruciformer | although a better term would be "open source" than "free software" |
| 17:46.13 | jnwhiteh | GPL removes liberties |
| 17:46.18 | Iriel | Grum: I'm not sure it helps, but SetRotation is essentially just a shortcut to SetTexCoord (the 8 param version) |
| 17:46.27 | Shirik | I don't want my code to ever become invisible, jnwhiteh. If I wrote it open source, I don't want it to become closed. |
| 17:46.30 | jnwhiteh | GPL however ensures "free" software, as in beer |
| 17:46.35 | PProvost | GPL does not improve programmer freedom. |
| 17:46.36 | Lunessa | Free as in Speech, Free as in Beer, or Free as in "Do As Thou Wilt"? |
| 17:46.52 | PProvost | It is free as in "soviet russian bread" |
| 17:46.57 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: then make your decisions based accordingly |
| 17:46.57 | Shirik | I never understood "free beer" |
| 17:46.59 | Grum | well |
| 17:47.01 | Lunessa | Haha.. which isn't free. |
| 17:47.01 | jnwhiteh | but there are two types of freedoms |
| 17:47.02 | Grum | i understand the scaling now |
| 17:47.04 | Cruciformer | no need to bring aleister crowley into teh debate lol |
| 17:47.08 | jnwhiteh | and GPL removes one of them, and enforces the other |
| 17:47.10 | Grum | it is actually 141 pixels wide |
| 17:47.12 | Grum | not 140 |
| 17:47.19 | jnwhiteh | BSD removes one of them, and opens the POTENTIAL for the other to go away |
| 17:47.22 | Grum | it scales the image to the 'worst possible location' |
| 17:47.25 | Grum | so that would be 45deg |
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| 17:47.46 | Grum | so on a 200x200 the diagonal would be 200, which means the side is 141 (100*2^.5) |
| 17:47.55 | PProvost | Shirik: If I may... if you want to give it away for free, why do you want to limit what people do with it after? |
| 17:48.16 | Grum | so you have to compensate for that |
| 17:48.25 | Shirik | Because I don't like the idea of people making closed-source stuff off what I distributed for free |
| 17:48.27 | Grum | using the setpoints .... |
| 17:48.29 | Grum | hmmmm |
| 17:48.43 | jnwhiteh | and I happen to like the idea that my code is commercially viable and useable :P |
| 17:48.44 | Dagmar | PProvost: Because companies have no problems being predatory about taking someone's "free" code, making it their flagship product, and dumping support requests back on the original author (worst-case scenario) |
| 17:48.47 | Cruciformer | Shirik: What you do with your own code is, of course, entirely your business, but I like the model of "I write stuff I think others will find useful, I want the absolute maximum number of people to be able to use it" |
| 17:48.50 | jnwhiteh | however, that is on a per-product basis. |
| 17:49.03 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: word =) |
| 17:49.09 | Cruciformer | and the GPL absolutely prohibits the "maximum number of people" bit. |
| 17:49.13 | jnwhiteh | couldn't have said it better myself |
| 17:49.19 | Dagmar | No, it doesn't. |
| 17:49.21 | Shirik | In all honesty, I've stopped using the GPL anyway |
| 17:49.24 | Cruciformer | yes it does. |
| 17:49.25 | Lunessa | But no one really wants to be the next .gif fiasco. |
| 17:49.28 | Shirik | since the WM problem |
| 17:49.38 | augustl | is there a way to get a local variable by name? |
| 17:49.39 | Shirik | I just put "All rights reserved" on all my addons now |
| 17:49.41 | PProvost | Once again, enginerds of the world prove that they can deconstruct something into an edge case example that has no basis on reality. |
| 17:49.42 | Dagmar | The GPL prohibits restrictive/parasitical uses of the code |
| 17:49.43 | Cruciformer | Danar: Some of those "people" are closed-source companies. GPL excluses those. |
| 17:50.20 | Cruciformer | ergo, the set of people that GPL code is useful to is smaller than the set of peopel BSD code is useful to. |
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| 17:50.29 | Dagmar | So what |
| 17:50.35 | Gnarfoz | he'll just say "that's not true" and not explain anyway |
| 17:50.35 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 17:50.37 | Gnarfoz | see |
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| 17:50.46 | Dagmar | Make your code public domain if you want the "maximum" number of people to use it. |
| 17:50.48 | Shirik | Cruciformer: What you're running into here is that people have different feelings of what they want out of their software |
| 17:50.56 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: "public domain" doesn't mean anything |
| 17:50.58 | Shirik | I hate the idea that someone else could make money off what I did |
| 17:51.00 | PProvost | zlib/libpng <-- best license evar! |
| 17:51.04 | Iriel | Grum: That makes sense. |
| 17:51.04 | Dagmar | Your precious licence can't beat public domain. |
| 17:51.17 | Gnarfoz | again, 'public domain' doesn't exist everywhere. |
| 17:51.19 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: I like attribution, so yes it can =) |
| 17:51.19 | Shirik | In all honesty, if you contact me, I'd probably give you a special license |
| 17:51.23 | Cruciformer | so nothing. Im not proselytizing the BSD license I am just saying why I personally prefer it and why its a more free license than the GPL. |
| 17:51.26 | Shirik | GPL doesn't force you to ONLY distribute under GPL |
| 17:51.27 | Shirik | It can't |
| 17:51.36 | jnwhiteh | of course not |
| 17:51.43 | Gnarfoz | at least as long as you own all the code |
| 17:51.45 | jnwhiteh | but the GPL'd version of your work is restricted |
| 17:51.50 | Shirik | right |
| 17:51.54 | PProvost | None of the licenses restrict what the copyright holder can do |
| 17:51.56 | jnwhiteh | and then we get into nifty GPL-compatability =) |
| 17:52.00 | Cruciformer | actually libstub has the beat license ever ... completely public domain :) |
| 17:52.01 | Shirik | So so long as you're nice to me,I might give you a better license |
| 17:52.05 | PProvost | Problems come about when software has community contriubtions |
| 17:52.06 | Cruciformer | *best |
| 17:52.09 | PProvost | Then who is the owner? |
| 17:52.26 | PProvost | E.g. NAnt wanted to drop GPL in favor of BSD or Apache |
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| 17:52.32 | PProvost | And decided they couldn't reasonably do it |
| 17:52.37 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: That's proselytizing. |
| 17:52.40 | PProvost | Too many people involved |
| 17:52.57 | PProvost | Public Domain has its own issues. |
| 17:52.59 | Cruciformer | provost: Only because the individual contributors couldnt all be persuaded to license their contributions under the apache liense |
| 17:53.14 | Grum | Iriel: so the process would scale the texture down by 0.5*sqrt(2) |
| 17:53.21 | Cruciformer | xfree86/xorg faced similar issues |
| 17:53.25 | PProvost | Cruciformer: Worse. They didn't even know how to get in touch with everyone. |
| 17:53.33 | Grum | Iriel: that makes quite some sense :) |
| 17:53.34 | Cruciformer | and that was just from a 3-clause to 4-clause BSD license |
| 17:53.54 | Iriel | Grum: You can of course just implement your own arbitrarily scaled rotation |
| 17:54.03 | Iriel | Grum: There's an article on the wiki with sample code |
| 17:54.21 | Grum | yeah i'm trying nto to do that |
| 17:54.30 | Grum | Routes is doing too much calculations per frame in lua as it is |
| 17:54.31 | Iriel | IT's not as painful as it sounds |
| 17:54.40 | Grum | i know, we stole your code =) |
| 17:54.50 | Gnarfoz | so. buy a netbook with integrated 3g module and put my own Bluetooth module, or buy a netbook with integerated BT module but without 3G (and those modules aren't freely available + needs antennas 'n' stuff) :\ |
| 17:54.54 | Iriel | Ah, you're looking at doing this frequently, it's more painful then 8-) |
| 17:55.05 | Dagmar | Lunessa: S'okay, he was trying to fly the "GPL is viral" gambit earlier |
| 17:55.14 | Grum | it should easily do this 400x per frame update |
| 17:55.22 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I saw, I didn't bite then either. |
| 17:55.32 | Cruciformer | dag: In my reding of it, especially GPLv2, it is. |
| 17:55.44 | Dagmar | Your "reading" of it is flawed. |
| 17:55.44 | Cruciformer | s/reding/reading/ |
| 17:55.53 | Gnarfoz | also, you tab-completing is flawed :p |
| 17:56.03 | Cruciformer | i dont use tab-completion |
| 17:56.05 | Shirik | I still would like to see the GPL be more specific about how it terms "redistribution" |
| 17:56.12 | Grum | Iriel: and that is not adding the overhead for calculating which lines to draw |
| 17:56.12 | Shirik | I'm debating bringing this up to GNU and seeing what they think of it |
| 17:56.16 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: obviously, with obvious results :P |
| 17:56.28 | Cruciformer | touche :) |
| 17:56.33 | Dagmar | They'll probably refer you to slashdot posts where this has been done to death |
| 17:56.41 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:56.43 | Grum | Iriel: but thanks for telling me i'm not insane ;) |
| 17:56.46 | Grum | that helped figuring it out :p |
| 17:56.46 | Shirik | link me one post to it? |
| 17:56.58 | Shirik | I have already spent a considerable amount of time searching for it, I haven't |
| 17:57.01 | Shirik | found anything |
| 17:57.02 | Cruciformer | slashdot - the repository of all things true (in some idiots mind anyway) |
| 17:57.12 | Gnarfoz | in true "we don't care what people think about us" style ;D |
| 17:57.18 | Dagmar | Yeah, that's right... Go ahead and poo poo Slashdot |
| 17:57.34 | Dagmar | Nevermind that it was Groklaw who's been explaining this several times there to shut the Slashdot trolls up |
| 17:57.50 | Dagmar | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031214210634851 |
| 17:58.11 | Cruciformer | slashdot serves many valuable purposes. Unbiased, well-researched, authorotative information is not one of them. |
| 17:58.18 | Cruciformer | I am not poo-pooing it at all. |
| 17:58.24 | Dagmar | There's also http://metastatic.org/text/the-gpl-is-not-viral.html |
| 17:58.32 | Dagmar | ...and just dozens of other places that can explain it |
| 17:58.37 | Shirik | Dagmar, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about |
| 17:58.54 | Cruciformer | Dag: And I can point you to websites whose interpretation say otherwise. |
| 17:59.02 | Gnarfoz | "The reason that matters is because if it's a contract, then you enforce it under contract law, which is enforced state by state, [...]" ... U.S. authors... ;D |
| 17:59.16 | Cruciformer | not to mention that in previous companies Ive worked for, their own legal team came to teh same conclusion. |
| 18:00.45 | Cruciformer | Dagnar: A trivial example. Suppose I am writing a program and I want to include GNU readline in it. I am not allowed to do so unless I make my whole program's source available, and stallman himself has stated that is EXACTKLY why readline will remain GPL and not LGPL. |
| 18:00.46 | Dagmar | Well, there's no point in anyone else talking to you about ti then |
| 18:00.55 | Shirik | You know what, I /am/ going to contact them |
| 18:00.56 | Shirik | see what they think |
| 18:01.19 | Dagmar | I'm still trying to figure out how "distribution" needs clarifying actually |
| 18:01.20 | foxlit | meh, quest tracker |
| 18:01.35 | Cruciformer | I am not closed-minded on the issue, I have just yet to read evidence that is irrefutable one way or the other. In a corporate setting its about managing risks, and there is a risk that someone COULD interpret the GPL as viral, therefore, its shied away from. |
| 18:02.25 | Cruciformer | Has the GPL ever been tested in court? |
| 18:02.36 | Cruciformer | it hadn't been for a long time I dont know if that has changed. |
| 18:02.39 | PProvost | I don't think any of thes OSS licenses have been seriously tested |
| 18:02.49 | PProvost | But I know my employer is scared shitless of it |
| 18:02.59 | PProvost | As you said... RISK |
| 18:03.16 | Cruciformer | I was wondering if during teh SCO/IBM case it had been tested. |
| 18:03.33 | Cruciformer | By teh time I left SCO it hadn't been but that was a long time ago. |
| 18:03.34 | Dagmar | Well, they can always hire good coders, pay them well, and maintain their own product |
| 18:03.38 | Dagmar | Oh wait |
| 18:03.41 | Dagmar | No one does that |
| 18:04.01 | Mikk | Yes, the whole internet runs on GPL |
| 18:04.04 | Mikk | Otherwise it wouldn't work |
| 18:04.06 | Mikk | Clearly |
| 18:04.11 | Mikk | There are no good un-GPL programmers |
| 18:04.25 | Lunessa | ZOMG, we woke up Mill |
| 18:04.25 | Cruciformer | dag: I've been paid well for being a good coder :) |
| 18:04.31 | Lunessa | er, Mikk |
| 18:04.55 | Dagmar | Mikk: No, what there is is a lack of places really willing to pay people what they're worth, which is part of the reason so much commercial software tends to suck |
| 18:04.58 | Cruciformer | hence I was able to retire at 40 :) |
| 18:05.37 | Mikk | Mmmmno, the reason so much commercial software tends to suck is because once the suits see that something is good enough to sell |
| 18:05.42 | Mikk | ... there's no reason to put more money into it |
| 18:06.01 | Dagmar | ...and they only need to pay their coders enough to keep them from quitting before the project is over |
| 18:06.05 | Mikk | That bug that only bites 1 out of 20? Fuck it, it sells anyway |
| 18:06.13 | Dagmar | s/before/until/; |
| 18:06.16 | Cruciformer | Mikk: that and marketroids. " We MUST have feature X by date Y, even if its not working". |
| 18:06.18 | Iriel | News flash: Many "commercial developers" are very very very mediocre (or worse) |
| 18:06.37 | Iriel | That is another important reason why so much software sucks |
| 18:06.38 | Mikk | Nah, even long term projects have the problem. But then the problem is that the dev time goes into writing the next crucial feature |
| 18:06.42 | Mikk | Still no time to fix the old problems |
| 18:06.49 | Iriel | People without passion following the $$ |
| 18:07.05 | Cruciformer | I agree Iriel |
| 18:07.34 | Cruciformer | people who are passionate about their work and take pride in it will always do a good job regardless of pressure form idiots with MBA's who think they rule the world. |
| 18:07.46 | zenzelezz | Iriel: that reminds me of http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/04/16/9551818.aspx |
| 18:08.15 | Mikk | No, just no. If you are ordered to finish the NEXT feature in less time than you need, only an idiot would be spending time doing those last touches in the supposedly-already-finished feature |
| 18:08.19 | Mikk | Because that == fired |
| 18:08.29 | Mikk | I don't disagree with Iriel, there's plenty of blithering idiots |
| 18:08.32 | Cruciformer | god I forgot how addictive IRC can be. All this time yacking away when I could be working on my mod :) |
| 18:08.39 | Mikk | But even responsible programmers are screwed over by the suits |
| 18:08.57 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: this is why you have two or more monitors |
| 18:09.22 | nicoli_s | 6 screens ftw |
| 18:09.34 | Iriel | zenzelezz: That doesn't really fix the concentration problem |
| 18:09.41 | kraftman | 6 screens? :o |
| 18:09.44 | Cruciformer | Mikk: I had an approach that always seemed to work. I'd say to the manager "you hired me to write software not take orders. If you want someone to take orders, get an order entry clerk" |
| 18:10.05 | nicoli_s | yah, i mean im sure you've read how rich curse is on the ui macor forums, so of course theyd pay for 6 monitors :P |
| 18:10.13 | kraftman | lol |
| 18:10.17 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: I have 4 30-inch monitors ... its not a matter of screen real-estate but of attention :) |
| 18:10.37 | kraftman | i dont think i coudl fit 4 30 inch monitors in my room |
| 18:11.14 | kraftman | do you have a matrix-code background? |
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| 18:11.22 | kraftman | screensaver* |
| 18:11.37 | zenzelezz | Iriel: no, but you don't have to be alt+tabbing between IRC and your editor at least ;) |
| 18:11.58 | Cruciformer | No ... and I run folding@home when not actively using my screens. |
| 18:11.59 | Iriel | With 4 x 30 inch monitors you'd probably want 'power down' as your screensaver |
| 18:12.08 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:12.14 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 18:12.15 | Gnarfoz | because screens supply processing power for F@H, right? right? |
| 18:12.15 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 18:12.33 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: The GPU's do, I think, for some flavors |
| 18:12.42 | Cruciformer | no teh video cards do ... I was saying I dont use screensavers becuase it slows down F@H |
| 18:12.44 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: yeah, but those aren't in the screens ;p |
| 18:12.46 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 18:13.14 | Iriel | zenzelezz: You mean Command Tab 8-) |
| 18:13.21 | Cruciformer | altho that reminds me Ihavent reinstalled f@h since my last upgrade |
| 18:13.45 | Gnarfoz | Cruciformer: that must be some pretty elaborate screensavers ;D |
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| 18:14.32 | zenzelezz | Iriel: no wai. I'm still not used to the OS X shortcuts when I'm working on iPhone stuff... navigating between different windows in the same program seems to be some magic shortcut I can never remember |
| 18:14.41 | Cruciformer | ultramon allows you to have different screensavers on each monitor if thats your thing |
| 18:14.56 | Cruciformer | for actual screen savers I prefer "power the monitor off" and leet the GPU work. |
| 18:15.07 | Lunessa | 4 x 30" monitors isn't so much about screen space, as it is about irradiating your brain. |
| 18:15.17 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz:Ctrl-Tab ? |
| 18:15.46 | Iriel | I find 1 x 22 + 2 x 24 monitors excessive enough that I can't keep track of all of them at once, I can't imagine 4 x 30 |
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| 18:16.07 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: because CCFLs are radioactive? |
| 18:16.15 | Gnarfoz | or wait, they could even be LED backlighted ;p |
| 18:16.20 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: I can't recall what I have or haven't tried yet; I think I tried most shortcuts the first week, then forgot everything :-p |
| 18:16.31 | Cruciformer | they are HP LP3065's ... dunno what they use. |
| 18:16.32 | Lunessa | Iriel: I had to take my 2nd monitor off my home PC, I couldn't focus on both enough to accomplish anything useful. |
| 18:16.50 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Because goofball comment is meant as joke. cf: Humor. |
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| 18:17.21 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: heh. you never know, there are people who'd have said that in earnest ;p |
| 18:17.54 | Lunessa | Have you ever known me to do something insane in ernest? Well, except dating? |
| 18:18.10 | Cruciformer | I have 3 monitors side by side and the 4th above the middle one. When working on my mod the middle one has all teh VIM windows, the top one has wow, the right has web pages like wowwiki and the left has this on it now. |
| 18:18.24 | mikma | http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ here you go too |
| 18:18.26 | Cruciformer | so they are all used fairly effectively. when I am playing wow its on the muiddle one |
| 18:18.47 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: oh, IRC offers plenty of examples of "insanity mistaken for being ernest" ;D |
| 18:19.09 | Lunessa | I try to limit my insanity to non-logged locations. |
| 18:19.21 | Iriel | In my case i've got 2 on the mac and one on the PC, so there's a certain automatic monitor selection by task |
| 18:19.35 | Iriel | wow is on the far left (PC), though I frequently use the PTR from the mac |
| 18:19.37 | Cruciformer | its been so long since I used irc. The last time I did EFneet was still the big netowrk with a few people on teh lunatic fringe using undernet. |
| 18:19.43 | Cruciformer | I gather things have changed a bit. |
| 18:20.48 | Iriel | Cruciformer: Everyone is still a lunatic, that hasn't changed 8-) |
| 18:21.10 | Cruciformer | anyway thanks for the diversion all Im getting back to this mod. Which reminds me, do any of the guilds you guys are in use suicide kings for loot distribution? |
| 18:21.16 | Lunessa | mikma: That was an entertaining read. |
| 18:21.27 | Cruciformer | iriel: Just better connected lunatics :) |
| 18:21.28 | Gnarfoz | wtfpl rocks |
| 18:21.31 | mikma | lunessa: yeah |
| 18:21.44 | Iriel | Cruciformer: Yay broadband lunacy |
| 18:21.55 | Gnarfoz | especially the "public domain" part, which some USians should be forced to read like 5 times :p |
| 18:22.31 | Iriel | And now.. back to rebuilding my DK's talent tree |
| 18:22.31 | Cruciformer | So no-one using suicide kings? Guess my mod will be used by very few :) |
| 18:22.36 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: I'm from the US. The universe revolves around us! If you don't like it, you can suck it. :P |
| 18:22.47 | Gnarfoz | *sucks the universe* |
| 18:22.49 | mikma | iriel: frooooost |
| 18:22.49 | Gnarfoz | now what |
| 18:23.01 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: A few guilds on my server use it. My guild doesn't use any special system for loot. |
| 18:23.14 | mikma | iriel: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVZG0xxAbckf0Vostc:TapMmV <- i went to that one, minus the Howling Blast glyph which is unavailable atm |
| 18:23.14 | Iriel | mikma: Yes. she was frost before. I just hadn't restored her talents since 3.1 |
| 18:23.32 | mikma | i went from unholy to frost with this patch :I |
| 18:23.33 | Lunessa | Tanking tree FTW? |
| 18:23.37 | Cruciformer | its one of the better loot systems ive seen. i hate dkp personally. |
| 18:23.42 | Gnarfoz | there's no "tanking tree" per se |
| 18:23.49 | mikma | my tankingspec is frost too! |
| 18:24.03 | mikma | gnarfoz: there is actually :D 5/5/5 + do whatever you want |
| 18:24.11 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: I get it, I totally do. cf: Humor. |
| 18:24.19 | Gnarfoz | mikma: is that licensed under wtfpl? |
| 18:24.33 | mikma | gnarfoz: yes |
| 18:24.38 | Gnarfoz | yay |
| 18:25.04 | mikma | i only wish they could come up with the glyph of the howling blast |
| 18:25.18 | mikma | like wobin said, you can skip icy touch completely after with the glyph |
| 18:25.45 | Lunessa | One of these days, I need to level my DK. |
| 18:25.48 | Shirik | This is interesting |
| 18:25.55 | Shirik | The GPL defines a term, convey, in its license |
| 18:25.57 | Shirik | To âconveyâ a work means any kind of propagation that enables other parties to make or receive copies. Mere interaction with a user through a computer network, with no transfer of a copy, is not conveying. |
| 18:26.05 | Shirik | I wonder if that applies |
| 18:26.28 | Shirik | does that mean WM is a part of the conveying? |
| 18:26.31 | Iriel | i.e. if you telnet to my server to use the software, it was not conveyed |
| 18:27.02 | Cruciformer | people still use telnet? |
| 18:27.20 | Shirik | My question has been if WM modifies works while downloading from WM's servers, then is it redistribution of a modified work or the original work |
| 18:27.29 | Iriel | Cruciformer: telnet to port 80 is a useful testing tool 8-) |
| 18:27.40 | Shirik | Personally, I have been on the side of original work (as much as I don't want to be) |
| 18:27.43 | Cruciformer | that it is :) |
| 18:27.44 | Lunessa | Telnet still rules. |
| 18:28.07 | Iriel | If the work is modified 'en route' then it's redistribution of a modified work, IMHO |
| 18:28.08 | Cruciformer | i prefer lynx -dump myself but ive done my fair share of telnet localhost 80 in my time :) |
| 18:28.11 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5217092/my-other-rides-a-battlestar-galactica-raptor |
| 18:28.15 | Fisker- | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:28.21 | amro | mikma: what are you talking about? HB glyph is available |
| 18:28.25 | Thunder_Child | i love you to Fisker- |
| 18:28.30 | mikma | amro: not in our server :) |
| 18:28.44 | amro | get ready to fork out 200g for it |
| 18:28.50 | mikma | no discoveries yet. i bet it will be 500g when the first one gets it |
| 18:28.53 | Fisker- | smy other ride's your mom Thunder_Child |
| 18:29.09 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: YOu know you want that bad boy in your garage. |
| 18:29.13 | mikma | how can you get the Howling Blast glyph anyway? |
| 18:29.15 | amro | but meh. I don't see why I'd skip icy touch |
| 18:29.33 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, even though i didnt like the show, i prolly would like it |
| 18:29.38 | Thunder_Child | the ship that is |
| 18:29.38 | mikma | amro: Howling Blast will spread the disease same like Icy Touch |
| 18:29.52 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, have fun |
| 18:29.55 | amro | yeah. will it also trigger ICT and my def sigil? |
| 18:30.01 | Fisker- | weeeeeeeee |
| 18:30.02 | amro | IIT* |
| 18:30.09 | mikma | while tanking, no. Icy Touch is needed. |
| 18:30.15 | mikma | that's not a tanking spec i linked :) |
| 18:30.15 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Every nerd wants a spacecraft in his garage, and think about how much fun it would be to throw parties in? |
| 18:30.32 | mikma | with dps spec, you'll most likely have sigil of awareness (obli + scourge ++) |
| 18:30.37 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, um...not that fun? it doesnt look very big |
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| 18:30.50 | mikma | then the most important part is to keep the diseases up! |
| 18:31.06 | amro | mikma: in any case you still do more damage with FF on the target |
| 18:31.11 | amro | so I'd IT + HB |
| 18:31.14 | Lunessa | TC - You'd park that puppy on the lawn, throw down a few kegs, fire up the projector and conquer the universe. |
| 18:31.17 | mikma | which means 2x blood runes -> pestilence + blood boil. Glyph of Pestilence keeps sure the diseases are refreshed on your target :) |
| 18:31.37 | mikma | err |
| 18:31.41 | mikma | Glyph of Disease* |
| 18:31.48 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, ya...rip out the guts of that thing and put in actual computers and you could have a lan party |
| 18:32.40 | Lunessa | ... Projector, Kegs, Girls. LAN-Games optional. First three items are not. |
| 18:33.17 | Thunder_Child | #2 is for me |
| 18:33.56 | Lunessa | #2 usually helps in getting #3 |
| 18:34.01 | Lunessa | Just saying. |
| 18:34.26 | Thunder_Child | if you have that ship parked on your lawn, i dont think there is enough #2 to help with #3 |
| 18:34.52 | Lunessa | No, girls will show to a kegger. Maybe not the kind you want, but still... |
| 18:34.53 | Gnarfoz | where's this 'girls don't like sci-fi' groove coming from? ;p |
| 18:35.04 | Fisker- | ... |
| 18:35.15 | Fisker- | That's like the 5th whisper i've gotten about my new spec |
| 18:35.23 | Fisker- | looks like i got a group of copycats :( |
| 18:36.03 | nicoli_s | my gf likes some scifi |
| 18:36.10 | Thunder_Child | i didnt say girls dont like sci-fi, i'm saying it's a bit over the top |
| 18:36.13 | Thunder_Child | even for LA |
| 18:36.24 | nicoli_s | has anyone seen the movie timecrimes? its fucking great |
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| 18:38.13 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I can think of a large number of people, many of them "girls" who would go to a party with that thing as a center-piece. In fact, most of the ones I can think of are girls. The guys would show up just 'cause of the girls. :P |
| 18:40.04 | Thunder_Child | me to, but i dont have enough money to pay them all :p |
| 18:40.08 | Mikk | well.. the 3 girls i know the best all like sci-fi |
| 18:40.15 | Mikk | granted, there's probably a reason i know those 3 the best |
| 18:40.17 | Mikk | ^^ |
| 18:40.31 | zenzelezz | Mikk: ancient Jedi mind trick? |
| 18:40.31 | Lunessa | 0.0 |
| 18:40.36 | krka | correlation is not causation! |
| 18:40.43 | Mikk | exactly krka |
| 18:40.44 | krka | (always a relevant thing to say) |
| 18:40.53 | krka | ((no pun intended)) |
| 18:41.28 | amro | for a sec I thought I was in #clisp |
| 18:41.47 | krka | (o (rly))? |
| 18:42.27 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I don't think it's his /mind/ we're talking about. |
| 18:42.39 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:42.43 | Shirik | lisp not allowed here |
| 18:42.45 | Shirik | gtfo |
| 18:43.01 | Thunder_Child | heh, you speak and people leave |
| 18:43.10 | krka | (? (aww (why (not)))) |
| 18:43.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:43.23 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:43.25 | zenzelezz | Shirik: that ith tho ruthleth |
| 18:43.39 | Mikk | Argh my RPN nerve just twitched |
| 18:43.55 | krka | it's mean that the word for lisp has an s in it |
| 18:43.55 | foxlit | Real Parenting Now? |
| 18:44.08 | foxlit | Red Pants Nevada? |
| 18:44.12 | Mikk | Reverse Polish Notation |
| 18:44.28 | krka | (+ 1 1) |
| 18:44.42 | foxlit | Meh, what a silly thing to have a nerve for. |
| 18:44.44 | Shirik | RPN is so fun |
| 18:44.44 | Mikk | twitches |
| 18:44.50 | Shirik | isnt' it 11+ ? |
| 18:45.07 | foxlit | 11111+, shirik. |
| 18:45.18 | Shirik | Because RPN should function like a stack |
| 18:45.20 | foxlit | Now what on earth could the answer be? |
| 18:45.36 | Shirik | foxlit is evil |
| 18:47.00 | krka | prefix notation ftw! |
| 18:47.14 | krka | infix is made of fail |
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| 18:47.54 | foxlit | surely |
| 18:47.58 | foxlit | is infix made fail of? |
| 18:49.12 | Thunder_Child | "3 4 2 * 1 5 - 2 3 ^ ^ / +" is not brain friendly |
| 18:49.17 | Mikk | ^ |
| 18:49.39 | Lunessa | To quote Eric Idle, "My brain hurts!" |
| 18:49.41 | Mikk | RPN was made because of limited transistors |
| 18:49.45 | Mikk | There's a reason math isn't described in RPN |
| 18:50.08 | amro | RPN isn't made for people :/ |
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| 18:50.51 | Shirik | I find RPN to be very readable |
| 18:50.57 | Shirik | it's fairly simple |
| 18:51.29 | Shirik | prefix notation, on the other hand, I can't read |
| 18:51.44 | Shirik | but there isn't much use for it imo |
| 18:52.24 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-'s failing, i was waiting for him to say "There is much use for *you* either" |
| 18:53.07 | Fisker- | smiles shyly |
| 18:53.26 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 18:53.27 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 18:53.34 | Fisker- | fuck it |
| 18:53.47 | Shirik | owndeded |
| 18:53.53 | Shirik | ~Fisker--- |
| 18:54.41 | Fisker- | fuck yeah Shirik |
| 18:54.43 | Fisker- | moar |
| 18:55.16 | airtonix | give an example of prefix notation please |
| 18:55.21 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 18:55.21 | purl | fisker- has karma of -7 |
| 18:55.23 | Fisker- | :) |
| 18:55.24 | Shirik | + 1 2 |
| 18:55.28 | Shirik | that's prefix notation |
| 18:55.30 | Shirik | for 1 + 2 |
| 18:56.01 | AnduinLothar | aww they buffed Wall of Terror.... it used to suck so i always passed on it |
| 18:56.24 | Shirik | I'll show you my wall of terror |
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| 18:56.58 | airtonix | new power word shield is spammable |
| 18:56.59 | Thunder_Child | AnduinLothar, Ulduar.... |
| 18:57.07 | Shirik | airtonix: Only with talents |
| 18:57.16 | airtonix | and what great talents they are |
| 18:57.20 | Shirik | no |
| 18:57.21 | AnduinLothar | yes, but I _could_ have had it already |
| 18:57.21 | Shirik | they're in disc |
| 18:57.22 | Shirik | screw disc |
| 18:57.31 | airtonix | disc pwns |
| 18:57.31 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 18:57.31 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Shirik's throat until Shirik puts on 150lbs |
| 18:57.34 | foxlit | on the same target, or on different targets? |
| 18:57.40 | airtonix | diff |
| 18:57.44 | foxlit | Meh, boring. |
| 18:58.11 | airtonix | its ok i did a heroic and noone dropped below 95% i did hardly any healing |
| 18:58.26 | foxlit | what was the cooldown, anyway? 4 seconds? |
| 18:58.47 | airtonix | 6 i think |
| 18:58.47 | Shirik | 5 |
| 18:58.53 | Shirik | 4 |
| 18:59.11 | AnduinLothar | lol@http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45973 |
| 18:59.21 | Shirik | lol@unclickablelinkfu |
| 18:59.41 | AnduinLothar | lol@getabetterircclient |
| 19:01.14 | Shirik | lol@macos |
| 19:02.14 | AnduinLothar | WTS Colloquy |
| 19:02.45 | Lunessa | Colloquy is <3 |
| 19:02.59 | foxlit | until you need to find something |
| 19:03.23 | foxlit | Then it's </3 |
| 19:03.30 | Lunessa | I haven't had a problem with Command+F |
| 19:03.31 | zenzelezz | woo, solo Jenkins title... fun |
| 19:03.46 | AnduinLothar | find isn't bad, it's the copy that freezes :P |
| 19:05.45 | Etanol | ~fisker-++ |
| 19:05.51 | Etanol | ~karma fisker- |
| 19:05.51 | purl | fisker- has karma of -6 |
| 19:06.12 | Thunder_Child | Etanol, if you were trying to be nice you failed |
| 19:06.16 | Shirik | ~base65 |
| 19:06.18 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/18/funny-pictures-karl-do-u/ |
| 19:06.19 | Thunder_Child | if not, welcome to the club |
| 19:06.31 | Etanol | ;> |
| 19:06.35 | Lunessa | brains |
| 19:06.42 | Shirik | stabs Lunessa |
| 19:06.57 | Lunessa | How do you kill that which is already dead? |
| 19:07.36 | Etanol | shackles Lunessa |
| 19:07.44 | Lunessa | resists. |
| 19:08.13 | Etanol | casts Dark Pact |
| 19:08.15 | Etanol | bye |
| 19:08.15 | Etanol | ;) |
| 19:12.15 | Lunessa | So last night I poked my head into Uldar for the first time. The pre-battle to Flame Leviathan was fun. The fight with Flame Leviathan was fun. What came later, not so much fun. |
| 19:13.19 | Dagmar | I'm working up some graphics and diagrams about Flame Leviathan after we did about 12 wipes on it last night |
| 19:13.28 | Dagmar | There's some plans that just doooon't work |
| 19:13.56 | Dagmar | Not having some at least vaguely predefined kiting path is part of most of the failing plans |
| 19:14.19 | Lunessa | The fight mechanics for it were pretty simple - the hard part was not yelling at the pilot of the tank I was in when he decided to drive in strange directions for no apparent reason. |
| 19:15.53 | Thunder_Child | kiting really isnt needed, just launch asap and your good |
| 19:16.23 | Dagmar | I should have been more assertive about certain things, like "If you're not being chased, you should be making a priority of getting directly behind the leviathan" |
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| 19:16.45 | Lunessa | As the gunner on tank 2 (10-man) my job in all cases was painfully obvious and simple. "Max DPS on Boss at all times, Use shield to prevent damage. |
| 19:16.49 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: If you've got all i213 gear and so on, you probably can just pound the crap out of him |
| 19:16.54 | Dagmar | If you don't, you need to kite |
| 19:17.22 | Lunessa | I don't have all iLevel 213 gear. I don't get into Naxx-25 and EoE enough. |
| 19:17.36 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, we dont all have 213, however i was just refering to killing, not "no one dieing" |
| 19:17.38 | Dagmar | We got him under 10% 3-4 times overloading him once |
| 19:17.56 | Thunder_Child | but yes, our guild is rather well geared |
| 19:18.08 | Thunder_Child | go do 10-mans and you will be bumping 219 gear |
| 19:18.20 | Dagmar | Yeah we got the f**ker down |
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| 19:18.28 | Dagmar | Two *very* nice pieces dropped, neither for me |
| 19:20.36 | Lunessa | I'm having trouble consistently staying above 2.4k DPS. I either need improved gear, or something else. I haven't been able to figure it out yet. :( |
| 19:20.43 | Dagmar | The first few fails, we had people trying to stay near the walls |
| 19:21.05 | Lunessa | Some fights I hit 3.5K now problem. Others, I struggle to hit 2.4K. |
| 19:21.21 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yell "where's my damn buffs at?" |
| 19:21.27 | Lunessa | Haha |
| 19:21.39 | Lunessa | I guess I should just start flasking everything. |
| 19:22.37 | Dagmar | At some point I picked up some mixtures of endless rage |
| 19:22.43 | Dagmar | I didn't even know I had them until last night |
| 19:23.16 | Lunessa | 3.1 patch. |
| 19:23.35 | Lunessa | Your old flasks became them so you didn't get screwed by the "This now makes 5" thing. |
| 19:23.53 | Dagmar | Ah |
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| 19:24.36 | Dagmar | I think most of my mailboxes have upwards of 30 mails in them, so for me to find stuff I didn't know I had is no uncommon thing |
| 19:24.38 | Etanol | mainFrame:RegisterEvent('PLAYER_LOGIN') |
| 19:24.43 | Etanol | ops |
| 19:24.49 | Etanol | http://www.superliminal.com/cube/applet.html |
| 19:25.38 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Your mailbox is not bank space, though... it is effective. |
| 19:26.04 | Etanol | why do you need extra space? |
| 19:26.14 | Dagmar | Because I do tradeskills |
| 19:26.19 | Etanol | I do too |
| 19:26.20 | Etanol | so? |
| 19:26.37 | Dagmar | So where am I supposed to keep all these eternals and leather and scrolls |
| 19:26.47 | Etanol | in bags and bank |
| 19:27.01 | Dagmar | MOst of that space is already taken up by souvenirs and quest items |
| 19:27.06 | Dagmar | ...oh and more materials |
| 19:27.15 | Etanol | souvenirs? |
| 19:27.29 | AnduinLothar | i deleted abotu 2 dozen epics last night that it wouldn't let me sell :( |
| 19:27.30 | Dagmar | Yes, those things we pick up during holidays |
| 19:27.35 | Etanol | I have tank set, pvp set, foods, pots, herbs in my bags |
| 19:27.41 | Etanol | yet I have around 20 slots left over |
| 19:27.57 | Etanol | put souvenirs in bank |
| 19:28.10 | Dagmar | I can put this anoter way |
| 19:28.24 | Dagmar | At any given moment, I've got about 4,000-5,000 gold worth of materials flying around |
| 19:28.36 | Dagmar | I don't farm materials. |
| 19:28.47 | Dagmar | I buy them when they're cheap, then I make stuff and sell it |
| 19:31.04 | Dagmar | Seldom are all the materials for anything all selling cheap at once |
| 19:31.29 | AnduinLothar | sounds like the AH is your game, not wow |
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| 19:32.12 | Lunessa | station - severe weather is non-righteous. |
| 19:32.29 | Dagmar | The AH is how you get things like motorcycles and heroic-capable gear without having to be carried |
| 19:33.10 | Dagmar | I needed some more 213 gear last night, so I slapped together some icy scale, stuck some loose gems in it |
| 19:37.03 | AnduinLothar | i did heroic capible gear the old fashioned way, by doing the normal instances.... |
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| 19:37.31 | AnduinLothar | not to say that's the only way |
| 19:37.38 | JoGoiA | Hello everybody ^^ |
| 19:38.02 | Dagmar | Yeah, well, it's just quicker and less hassle to buy or make the gear |
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| 19:38.39 | Dagmar | ...especially since there's a degree to which the auction house can be used to swap your time getting junk you didn't need for other people's time getting junk you do need |
| 19:39.00 | AbsolutRayne | Ok...time ti figure out why im mem dumping so much. |
| 19:39.48 | JoGoiA | How can I hide the messageBox where WoW show the name of the Map Zone when ZONE_CHANGED or ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA fires ? |
| 19:41.10 | AbsolutRayne | If its eePanels im going to be so pissed. |
| 19:41.58 | AbsolutRayne | But it might be SLDT |
| 19:42.09 | Lunessa | Heh, AnduinLothar can organize an instance run, smash bosses with both fists, a lol the whole way through. |
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| 19:42.50 | Lunessa | JoGoiA: That's handled in code not available to modding. |
| 19:43.15 | JoGoiA | We can't hide it ? too bad... |
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| 19:46.49 | AnduinLothar | :) Lunessa |
| 19:47.13 | Lunessa | You dragged my ass through more instances in beta. :P |
| 19:47.26 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 19:47.35 | Antiarc | Is there any way to make a frame pass clicks through, while still being eligible for mousemove events? |
| 19:47.50 | AnduinLothar | it's a game, it's fun mk! |
| 19:48.14 | AnduinLothar | you better be having fun or else |
| 19:48.43 | Lunessa | The beatings will continue until morale improves? |
| 19:48.49 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 19:49.33 | Fisker- | hey |
| 19:49.41 | AnduinLothar | speaking of fun, i'm off to a party and then a concert. you all don't beat eachother up too bad till i get back! |
| 19:50.24 | Arrowmaster | wtf is Visual J++ |
| 19:51.17 | nevcairiel | microsofts java implementation |
| 19:51.19 | JoGoiA | @Antiarc : When I want this, I make a little frame that I can clic on in the frame I don't want enableMouse to move it. |
| 19:51.21 | nevcairiel | discontinued ages ago |
| 19:51.46 | Antiarc | JoGoiA: I want HudMap to be able to receive mouseovers on POIs, but don't want it to eat clicks |
| 19:51.49 | nevcairiel | father of C# |
| 19:52.23 | JoGoiA | POI ? |
| 19:52.28 | Antiarc | Point of interest |
| 19:52.47 | JoGoiA | Ouch... |
| 19:52.52 | Legorol | Hurray for more Ignis bugs! |
| 19:53.05 | Legorol | Blizzard fixed some, introduced another |
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| 19:53.58 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, it HAS to be SLDT. |
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| 19:55.50 | JoGoiA | @antiarc : If tou can receive the coord of the mouse, you may compare them with the coord of your point... That's what I'll do in Flash, but in WoW ? |
| 19:56.13 | Antiarc | I'm playing by some tricky rules here because the minimap functionality isn't quite as exposed as most. |
| 19:56.16 | JoGoiA | I don't even know if you can have the mouse coords... |
| 19:58.26 | Antiarc | You can, but that doesn't do anything for me here |
| 19:58.42 | AbsolutRayne | Oh thats a NEAT new Crash. |
| 19:59.15 | JoGoiA | OnUpdate, if coordOfMouse == coordOfPOI then ... |
| 19:59.41 | Antiarc | Yeah, I can't get the POI coords |
| 19:59.43 | Antiarc | That's the problem :P |
| 19:59.49 | JoGoiA | sorry ^^ |
| 20:00.07 | Antiarc | I have to just have mouse event handling on and WoW determines whether or not to show a tooltip in the minimap code |
| 20:00.09 | Antiarc | It's a black box |
| 20:00.51 | AbsolutRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474159314&sid=1 Never seen this one before. |
| 20:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10222626-2.html?part=rss |
| 20:03.22 | Lunessa | Dan - Run the repair tool. Something asked WoW to grab more memory than your machine has, and that's likely because one or more files is borked. |
| 20:04.41 | Lunessa | Especially since you've been crashing a lot lately. |
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| 20:09.23 | Shirik | ~nickometer JoGoiA |
| 20:09.31 | Shirik | ~nickometer ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:09.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Why do you always use me as a reference? |
| 20:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You've done that so many times I've got 22.000% memorized |
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| 20:11.43 | JoGoiA | What's lame ? |
| 20:11.54 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: I ran it before 3.1, but I guess I can do it again |
| 20:12.47 | AbsolutRayne | It might be eePanels, though |
| 20:12.55 | AbsolutRayne | like Ferous was saying to me on my addons page |
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| 20:14.07 | Lunessa | Depends on the scripts you have running or the nature of the art you're importing - but those could also cause you to request too much memory. |
| 20:14.21 | AbsolutRayne | eePanels was running over....35panels I think |
| 20:14.27 | AbsolutRayne | Maybe a little less |
| 20:14.31 | AbsolutRayne | Alot of Gradient work, though |
| 20:14.34 | AbsolutRayne | and Transparency |
| 20:14.37 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0GA73O_9O4 |
| 20:15.24 | Lunessa | heh, you do tend to be panel and art heavy. |
| 20:16.02 | AbsolutRayne | Well, if eePanels would have allowed me to make Linework, so I only had to Gradient 1 line on both ends, I easily couldve cut it in half |
| 20:16.07 | AbsolutRayne | But alas, that wasnt possible. |
| 20:18.30 | Lunessa | You could us a panel with imported art, and the art is a gradient on both ends. :P |
| 20:18.35 | AbsolutRayne | True |
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| 20:19.01 | AbsolutRayne | for some reason, KGPanels wont make a new panel. |
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| 20:20.14 | AbsolutRayne | nm there it goes |
| 20:20.17 | AbsolutRayne | im just a tard |
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| 20:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | zasdasdlkjlkj |
| 20:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol sorry, ignore that |
| 20:28.32 | Lunessa | Cairenn: ping |
| 20:29.01 | Cairenn | Lunessa: pong |
| 20:30.27 | Lunessa | The AddOn Almanac pjt is officially 'dead' - no point in my remaking Vranx UI, etc. Since WoWI already hosts the domain, I want to give you guys the name and wash my hands of it. So, enjoy. :D |
| 20:31.04 | Lunessa | The reg is paid for 2 years. |
| 20:31.05 | Cairenn | oh, okay |
| 20:31.17 | Cairenn | give Dolby the details, please? |
| 20:31.22 | Lunessa | Will do. :) |
| 20:31.29 | Cairenn | sorry it's dead :( |
| 20:31.57 | Lunessa | Nah, I just ... don't want to redo it, might as well not waste a good name. I R TEH LAZY. |
| 20:32.05 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 20:32.07 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.41 | Lunessa | Huricane Ike sort of killed it, and I never got round to doing it again, and other stuff filled the niche since. |
| 20:33.16 | Cairenn | nod |
| 20:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Hurricanes do that some times |
| 20:36.06 | Lunessa | Nothing like living out of your backpack for a month, and then having to move to upset your life. |
| 20:36.26 | Etanol | lua> table = {}; table['func'] = 'GetMoney()'; table.func() |
| 20:36.26 | lua_bot | Etanol: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'func' (a string value) |
| 20:36.30 | Etanol | :/ |
| 20:36.56 | Etanol | oh w8 |
| 20:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 12*25 |
| 20:39.05 | Iriel | Etanol: Try loadstring(table.func)() |
| 20:39.06 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 300 |
| 20:39.31 | Iriel | Etanol: Or table["func"] = GetMoney |
| 20:44.31 | AbsolutRayne | I want to slap some of these people |
| 20:44.40 | augustl | are there any docs for LibGraph around? |
| 20:44.42 | AbsolutRayne | Putting Saronite so low on the AH -_- |
| 20:44.45 | Lunessa | http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/04/14/funny-dog-pictures-am-doorbell/ |
| 20:51.39 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: So buy it and make it into stuff |
| 20:53.01 | zenzelezz | I for one dislike people who complain because I don't put my stuff close enough in price to theirs on the AH. All they have to do is buy mine and sell it at their price and we're both happy, but no, they need to shout at me and tell me to "l2auctioneer" |
| 20:53.08 | AbsolutRayne | Dagmar: I have no use for it, im trying to get my Chopper made |
| 20:53.12 | Arrowmaster | augustl: its in the code |
| 20:53.14 | AbsolutRayne | and this is slowing me down bigtime |
| 20:53.54 | AbsolutRayne | zenzelezz: a gold or two is fine, I dont care, 4-5G, and 3 pages of it is bloody stupid, thats just hindering the market. |
| 20:55.11 | Dagmar | Generally the people bitching are the ones who are mad they can't sell their stuff for twice what it's worth because people keep listing things for normal prices |
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| 20:55.23 | Lunessa | "A thing is worth what it's purchaser will pay for it." L2FreeMarket. |
| 20:56.10 | Lunessa | http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/03/20/funny-dog-pictures-solo-wookie/ |
| 20:56.13 | Dagmar | That's not free market |
| 20:57.27 | Lunessa | It's a primary tenet. Thing has value, but the value is determined by what the purchaser is willing to pay. Artificially changing the percieved value is something else. |
| 20:57.56 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: that's where we disagree |
| 20:57.58 | Dagmar | It's not the entire free market. |
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| 20:58.09 | Dagmar | It distorts things by only citing one part of it |
| 20:58.18 | AbsolutRayne | Can I ask how much it is on your server, then? |
| 20:58.30 | Dagmar | When buyers are being coerced by collusion of sellers, then it's no longer a free market |
| 20:58.44 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: I just transfered, so I'm not sure what it is on this one |
| 20:58.53 | Lunessa | Dagmar: cf: Statement about artificially changing the value. |
| 20:59.08 | zenzelezz | I don't usually sell much ore, but if I do then I have lots and want to get rid of it quick, so I do a decent undercut |
| 20:59.18 | zenzelezz | "decent" as per my own personal opinion at the time |
| 20:59.30 | Dagmar | Your quote is no better than saying "Driving is just a matter of pushing down on the gas pedal" |
| 21:01.04 | Lunessa | So is the complaint "Putting Saronite so low on the AH -_-" The point being that people can sell/buy for mutually agreeable prices and that doesn't change the complainers lot one iota. |
| 21:01.20 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: judging from trade channel, saronite is about 15g/stack, which probably means I wouldn't undercut it much since it isn't much in the first place |
| 21:01.33 | pnorman | 23g/stack here |
| 21:02.14 | Dagmar | Most of the time on my server it stays just above vendor valur |
| 21:02.19 | Dagmar | s/valur/value/; |
| 21:02.57 | Lunessa | In WoW, vendor value is pretty much the floor for all transactions. "Why sell it to you for X, when a venodr will buy it for Y?" |
| 21:03.52 | Dashkal | Usually. I can make my first gold by buying things under vendor and selling them. Never understood that |
| 21:04.29 | Lunessa | Yeah, Auction Master points these things out for me when I scan. I get a nice chuckle. |
| 21:05.04 | theorbtwo | I made a decent profit on a book of master cooking that way. |
| 21:05.16 | theorbtwo | There's only one vendor that sells them, and he's a bit out of the way. |
| 21:05.32 | theorbtwo | (Well, two. One Horde and one Alliance.) |
| 21:05.45 | theorbtwo | I wonder how repeatable that is... |
| 21:06.03 | Lunessa | No need for those books anymore. |
| 21:06.16 | theorbtwo | Oh, I thought that was just for fishing. Shame. |
| 21:06.27 | foxlit | Hm, I've gotten myself stuck in Zul'Drak questing |
| 21:07.01 | foxlit | Apparently I have no more quests to do, and nothing seems to offer more. |
| 21:07.27 | Lunessa | foxlit: Did you get the quest from the dropped necklace? |
| 21:07.33 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 21:07.37 | theorbtwo | That's one thing that bothers me about Auctioneer, BTW. It will warn me when initial bid price is less then vendor, but it doesn't give me an easy way of raising it. |
| 21:07.40 | foxlit | Did everything up to and presumably including argent stand |
| 21:08.07 | Lunessa | And all the quests for the various argent posts around the zone? |
| 21:08.09 | pnorman | What are you at? |
| 21:08.17 | foxlit | Finished Pa'Troll. |
| 21:08.44 | foxlit | Missing some form of pointer to Zim'Torga |
| 21:08.54 | foxlit | and the fields/water elemental quests |
| 21:09.08 | pnorman | believe that comes from a troll at the argent post |
| 21:09.13 | Lunessa | Yeah. |
| 21:09.25 | foxlit | Nothing |
| 21:09.41 | Lunessa | ... http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/03/09/funny-dog-pictures-reachin-warp/ |
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| 21:10.05 | foxlit | Or, well, not quite nothing -- did the investigate altar (shouldn't there be a followup?) and get blessing quests, but it doesn't seem to offer anything else. |
| 21:10.07 | Cloudwolf | any rogues get any good gear from uldar? |
| 21:10.37 | pnorman | and there are no ZD quests in your log at all? |
| 21:11.25 | foxlit | Ah, damn you, drops |
| 21:11.45 | foxlit | There were no ZD quests in my log |
| 21:12.28 | foxlit | Problem is, it's trivial to miss yourself looting items that begin quests. |
| 21:12.35 | foxlit | In fact, someone should write something to address that. |
| 21:12.57 | Arrowmaster | EveryQuest |
| 21:13.25 | foxlit | I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest, based on the name, that that does too much |
| 21:13.58 | Arrowmaster | afaik it just lists where to get quests in every zone including ones from drops |
| 21:14.27 | foxlit | I'd settle for something as simple as a "Hey, you moron, you looted a quest item. Start the quest already, 'kay?" popup |
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| 21:15.59 | Gnarfoz | ~seen gello |
| 21:16.03 | purl | gello <n=chatzill@hmpdmehed51-pool3-a127.hmpdme.tds.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 874d 15h 16m 28s ago, saying: 'if you do <PushedTexture file="same file"><TexCoords left=".1" right=".9" top=".1" bottom=".9"/></PushedTexture> then it will look like it "pushes" without needing new artwork'. |
| 21:16.07 | Gnarfoz | does someone know how to reach him ;D |
| 21:16.21 | Arrowmaster | not irc |
| 21:16.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> 874/365 |
| 21:16.43 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 2.3945205479452 |
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| 21:16.53 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: grrr :p |
| 21:17.22 | Arrowmaster | only place ive ever seen him is the ui forums, but maybe you can pm him on wowi |
| 21:17.48 | Lunessa | foxlit: And it should also delete items left over from quests you've completed that have no other function... GRRR.... Plagued Termintes. |
| 21:17.50 | Gnarfoz | well, PM'ing him on wowi to update ItemRack on curse is probably not the best style, but I guess it'll have to do ;P |
| 21:18.02 | foxlit | Lunessa: mm, sure! :) |
| 21:18.41 | Lunessa | Gello doesn't hang out here, but he is pretty responsive on forums. |
| 21:18.54 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: point him at http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/uploading-through-a-script/ |
| 21:19.19 | Cloudwolf | ~cookie |
| 21:19.49 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 21:19.52 | Arrowmaster | purl, ignore Cloudwolf |
| 21:19.53 | purl | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Cloudwolf!" |
| 21:19.58 | Cloudwolf | awww |
| 21:20.00 | Cloudwolf | :P |
| 21:20.03 | Cloudwolf | oh well |
| 21:21.46 | Cloudwolf | sooo how is everyone? |
| 21:22.01 | Adys | Quote of the day |
| 21:22.04 | Adys | dedicate dto tekkub |
| 21:22.05 | Adys | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=55#quote-55 |
| 21:24.08 | Shirik | >< |
| 21:24.18 | Adys | SHIRIK IS SHOWING IT |
| 21:24.24 | Adys | Don't be scared, kids |
| 21:26.49 | amro | :O |
| 21:26.52 | amro | wait, wrong smiley |
| 21:26.54 | amro | very wrong smiley |
| 21:27.12 | Adys | a guy in a former guild said that |
| 21:27.16 | Adys | Im still laughing about it |
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| 21:30.45 | tekkub | pally tank, what weapon enchant should I get? |
| 21:30.57 | Adys | crusader |
| 21:31.01 | Gnarfoz | accuracy ;o |
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| 21:33.24 | Lunessa | Adys: I'm getting some chuckles out of your quote collections. |
| 21:33.59 | Adys | \o/ |
| 21:34.20 | Adys | don't read too much you might get some chokles out of tekkub's |
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| 21:47.44 | Legorol | >.< nice Ignis bug: if there is Desecration under an add that is standing in the Scorch, it doesn't accumulate the debuff |
| 21:54.18 | bleeter | I wanna now how the hell maly respawned the ground and threw us off our mounts when he was at 300k health |
| 21:55.29 | Lunessa | bleeter: He had Wheaties and Coffee. He's full of Piss & Vinegar. And .... He doesn't like you. |
| 21:55.42 | amro | he figured it was the fastest way to kill you |
| 21:55.57 | Jamash | argh I'm just trying to play the DoW2 demo and it's installing games for windows live |
| 21:57.02 | amro | Dawn of War? |
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| 21:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, GFWL is their online service |
| 21:58.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Thw DoW2 binary kinda depends on it regardless if you do multi or not |
| 21:58.42 | Etanol | ~girls |
| 21:58.43 | purl | girls are sweet, wonderful and necessary :) |
| 21:59.21 | amro | ~etanol |
| 21:59.22 | purl | Just drink it. It's ok! Trust me! |
| 21:59.29 | Etanol | ^^ |
| 21:59.30 | amro | I trust purl! |
| 21:59.39 | Etanol | ~ethanol |
| 21:59.54 | Etanol | purl, ethanol is <reply> Just drink it. It's ok! Trust me! |
| 21:59.55 | purl | Etanol: okay |
| 22:00.03 | Etanol | :> |
| 22:00.18 | mikma | ~boys |
| 22:00.19 | purl | boys are icky |
| 22:00.37 | mikma | purl: no, boys is <reply> must be nice, cause Jacko likes them |
| 22:00.38 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 22:00.51 | Elly | boys are, in fact, sometimes nice :) |
| 22:00.55 | Etanol | ~boys |
| 22:00.55 | purl | must be nice, cause Jacko likes them |
| 22:01.20 | Etanol | girls are also cryptic, complicated and bewildering |
| 22:02.40 | mikma | purl: girls is also (cryptic, complicated and bewildering) |
| 22:02.41 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 22:02.48 | pnorman | ~girls |
| 22:02.49 | purl | girls are sweet, wonderful and necessary :), or (cryptic, complicated and bewildering) |
| 22:02.59 | mikma | oh it added "or" |
| 22:03.51 | zenzelezz | mikma: use | to separate them |
| 22:04.03 | zenzelezz | (as in "... is also | blah blah") |
| 22:04.16 | zenzelezz | at least if I remember the syntax right |
| 22:04.18 | mikma | zenzelezz: is also works just as well |
| 22:04.24 | mikma | see the help :D |
| 22:04.40 | zenzelezz | mikma: what I'm getting at is that if you'd used |, it wouldn't list both |
| 22:04.44 | zenzelezz | it would pick a random one |
| 22:04.56 | mikma | but we don't wan't it to pick random |
| 22:05.10 | zenzelezz | I see, you just wanted to append? |
| 22:05.31 | mikma | yeah, that's what it does |
| 22:06.02 | zenzelezz | ~literal girls |
| 22:06.03 | purl | "girls" is "<reply> girls are sweet, wonderful and necessary :), or (cryptic, complicated and bewildering)" |
| 22:07.07 | Shirik | why do you have the ()? |
| 22:07.31 | mikma | didn't know it would add ', or' after the previous line |
| 22:08.07 | Shirik | (18:04:02) (mikma) see the help :D |
| 22:08.55 | mikma | <0527> [freenode] <purl> you can append stuff to a factoid with "also". "x is also at ..." |
| 22:09.00 | mikma | there's the help for it |
| 22:09.18 | Shirik | not my problem you don't appropriately understand it |
| 22:09.25 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 22:09.53 | mikma | that line tells you it adds ', or' after the previous one. WOW! you are amazing! |
| 22:10.24 | Shirik | yeah |
| 22:10.38 | mikma | you never seize to amaze me :) |
| 22:10.39 | Shirik | I am very good at reading |
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| 22:11.45 | zenzelezz | strictly speaking "also" isn't a plain append. To do that I believe you need to simply replace the entire old factoid with the corrected one |
| 22:13.03 | Lunessa | mikma: You mean "cease' not 'seize' |
| 22:13.28 | mikma | seizure |
| 22:13.45 | zenzelezz | perhaps he's hoping Shirik will seize him and then amaze him |
| 22:13.53 | Jamash | seize and desist |
| 22:13.55 | Lunessa | .... kinky |
| 22:14.14 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm going to go drive through a thunderstorm to get home. Ciao. |
| 22:14.34 | mikma | hope he won't get sucked by a tornado |
| 22:14.41 | zenzelezz | I didn't know Lunessa's alter ego was Thor |
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| 22:22.15 | Torhal | Dolby: WTB thread filters on WoWI forums. |
| 22:24.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Torhal: they have a bug/suggestions board. Post it there |
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| 22:27.42 | Torhal | ScytheBlade1: I talked to Cairenn already, and she said something is in the works. Just felt like prodding a bit. :) |
| 22:28.17 | Cairenn | it's on the list |
| 22:28.21 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:29.13 | Torhal | Cairenn: Oh, hey: I just noticed that there are 11 pages of threads marked as "updated", yet after the 5th thread they are all dated 04-14...just so you know, in case this has happened to other folks. |
| 22:29.31 | Torhal | I was wondering how the hell there could be 11 pages of posts during my work shift :) |
| 22:29.42 | Cairenn | it's because we made a change to how threads were showing during the patch insanity, and we've just changed it back |
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| 22:30.01 | Cairenn | once you've "mark forums read" again, it'll go back to just showing what's really new |
| 22:30.19 | Torhal | Ah, ok. No problem then, |
| 22:30.32 | Torhal | Was hoping there wasn't an unintended DB issue. |
| 22:30.40 | Cairenn | I boggled at it this morning, too, when I first woke up, talked to dolby about it, he confirmed that was what it was :) |
| 22:30.47 | Cairenn | yeah, no, it's all good :) |
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| 22:37.09 | zenzelezz | <Cairenn> yeah, no, it's all good :) <-- and girls wonder why we can't understand them |
| 22:37.15 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 22:40.32 | bleeter | Lunessa: well I guessed the bit about no liking me... well 'guess' is probably a bit too strong for 'assumed normality' |
| 22:40.48 | Kirov | zenzelezz - I understood that perfectly. In guy speak that means we have to respond "yes dear, would you some chocolate?" |
| 22:40.51 | Kirov | like some |
| 22:41.01 | Seerah | yes, thank you |
| 22:42.38 | bleeter | damnit... 329 Fragments, 654919/1552724 clusters, 9.8GB free and XP can't defrag 3.4GB Patch.mpq |
| 22:44.02 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 22:44.09 | Cairenn | pokes Kirov |
| 22:44.54 | Cairenn | what it really means is "yeah you are right that no it isn't a problem with the db, everything is fine" |
| 22:45.26 | bleeter | I should ring Blizz Tech and try and get them to talk me thru defragging that mofo, tie up a tech support phone line for half an hour a day |
| 22:45.28 | Seerah | I knew what it meant :P |
| 22:45.40 | Cairenn | huggles Seerah |
| 22:45.46 | Seerah | huggles Cairenn |
| 22:45.55 | bleeter | takes pics of huggles and sells them on teh intarwebz |
| 22:46.06 | Kirov | Cairenn - you assume men are actually paying attention when women talk. |
| 22:46.19 | Kirov | ducks ... offers chocolate |
| 22:46.19 | Cairenn | Kirov: oh, I know much better than that :p |
| 22:47.11 | Kirov | Actually, my fiancee has yet to even crack open her giant chocolate easter egg. |
| 22:47.35 | Etanol | bleeter: what are you using to defrag? |
| 22:47.54 | bleeter | both XP native and Auslogics |
| 22:48.13 | Etanol | bleeter: and is your wow in your windows partition or on a separate? |
| 22:48.48 | bleeter | Etanol: the wow install is on a laptop, single partition |
| 22:49.14 | Etanol | did you close down as much as possible before attempting to defrag? |
| 22:49.32 | Aezay | Is there an easy way to work around the weird rounding errors in the floating numbers used by Lua, I have this slider controlled with the mousewheel, and it's step is set to 0.1 but it goes 0, 0.1, 0.19 etc etc, i want the user to be able to input a value with many decimals, but when using the mousewheel with 0.1 step, I would like the number to be "pretty" |
| 22:50.26 | Etanol | if it's from 0 to 1 you could make your own floor function ;) |
| 22:50.33 | Etanol | with alot of if's |
| 22:50.47 | bleeter | Etanol: yes... don't spend too much time looking in to this, I've been bitching about the size of the MPQs ever since BC came out |
| 22:50.48 | theorbtwo | Aezay: *Round* to any reasonable number of decimal places. |
| 22:51.11 | theorbtwo | You seem to be truncating at two decimal places. |
| 22:51.13 | bleeter | Etanol: and the general inability to defrag in some not-so-boundary cases, imo |
| 22:51.36 | Etanol | bleeter: that's why I have wow on a separate partition |
| 22:51.41 | Aezay | using format() you mean? the thing is I don't want to show numbers like 1.000000, but I still want the user to input 1.00001 if you know what I mean? |
| 22:51.43 | Etanol | makes it easy to defrag |
| 22:51.47 | bleeter | Etanol: the only 'solution' I've ever found is move the .mpq's off to another drive |
| 22:52.02 | bleeter | Etanol: ahaaa... BUT.. I have a 20GB partition in another machine |
| 22:52.38 | Etanol | bleeter: if you would move wow off your machine, defrag your drive, and then move it back? |
| 22:52.42 | Etanol | that should work |
| 22:53.06 | bleeter | Etanol: actually, 30GB... and that drive has the same issue. I've got to move *ALL* MPQs out, then defrag, then move them back one at a time and defrag |
| 22:53.29 | Etanol | NTFS or FAT? ;P |
| 22:53.35 | bleeter | NTFS |
| 22:53.40 | Etanol | strange |
| 22:53.54 | Etanol | my pc never behaves that way |
| 22:54.03 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: tried http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/ ? |
| 22:55.07 | Etanol | I use TuneUp defrag 2008 |
| 22:55.11 | Etanol | works flawlessly |
| 22:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds expensive |
| 22:57.39 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: heh, JK seems to be doing something to patch.mpq, probably making it unplayable ;) |
| 22:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 22:58.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I've used it on drives that are 99.9% filled and it works great |
| 22:58.43 | Etanol | ScytheBlade1: what's with everybody being so legal nowadays? |
| 22:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Etanol: jkdefrag is free period :) |
| 22:59.06 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I meant that I've had defraggers mess with .mpq layout so heavily before it'd crash game |
| 22:59.33 | Etanol | ScytheBlade1: I mean, why do you assume you'd have to buy everything with a price tag? |
| 22:59.34 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: lol |
| 22:59.39 | bleeter | tho that might've been more me going mental @ Blizzard's inability to ship files of sane size that can be defragged with OS native tools... |
| 22:59.46 | Etanol | stealing off the intrawebz is not that big a crime |
| 23:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | why pirate when there is a free alternative that works great? |
| 23:00.30 | Etanol | -_- |
| 23:00.43 | Etanol | why is it a big deal? |
| 23:01.03 | bleeter | steals Etanol's internets |
| 23:01.22 | Etanol | has quit IRC: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) |
| 23:01.28 | bleeter | oO |
| 23:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | PS: He's still here |
| 23:01.37 | mikma | has also quit IRC: lost of interest |
| 23:01.45 | Etanol | ;> |
| 23:02.43 | Etanol | has quit IRC: (Please insert internet disc5392C to continue) |
| 23:07.41 | Etanol | lua> if 1>0 or 2>1 then print("Either 1>0 or 2>1, which one remains a mystery though") end |
| 23:07.41 | lua_bot | Etanol: Either 1>0 or 2>1, which one remains a mystery though |
| 23:08.25 | amro | logicfial |
| 23:11.26 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: slow defrag is slow |
| 23:11.42 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: i thank you btw ;) |
| 23:11.45 | Etanol | bleeter: TuneUp defrag > JK defrag ;> |
| 23:11.54 | Etanol | sometimes, being a pirate is being on top |
| 23:12.28 | Etanol | ~pirate |
| 23:12.29 | purl | So forgive me my rough mood unaccustomed to sue; I woo not, perhaps, as your landlubbers do. |
| 23:13.20 | Legorol | can someone please do me a favour and post for me on the US bug report forum? here is the link: |
| 23:13.20 | Legorol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112573 |
| 23:13.33 | bleeter | for you, Legorol, sure :) |
| 23:13.39 | Legorol | thanks bleeter |
| 23:13.48 | Legorol | forces a hug on bleeter |
| 23:13.53 | bleeter | weirdo |
| 23:14.01 | Legorol | that's why you love me :P |
| 23:14.17 | Legorol | bleeter: actually wait a moment |
| 23:14.22 | Legorol | i'll edit it if you haven't posted it already |
| 23:15.07 | Legorol | bleeter: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112574 |
| 23:17.50 | bleeter | Legorol: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473619149&sid=1 |
| 23:18.16 | Legorol | thanks bleeter |
| 23:18.20 | bleeter | np Legorol :) |
| 23:25.39 | Kirov | Legorol - that would explain the behavior we saw last night with a ret paladin |
| 23:25.49 | Legorol | what is that, Kirov? |
| 23:26.03 | Kirov | Consecrate + Scorch == no Heat stacks |
| 23:26.14 | Legorol | all right, it might be worth adding that to the stack |
| 23:26.18 | Legorol | i mean to the thread |
| 23:26.28 | Legorol | but how does a ret paladin end up in scorch :o) |
| 23:27.05 | Kirov | Well, our ret paladin is dumb |
| 23:27.18 | Kirov | But also he tends to throw consecrate on the tank |
| 23:27.20 | Legorol | more to the point, if he is in there, why is he placing consec instead of running out :P |
| 23:27.23 | Kirov | ie: where Scorch is going to be |
| 23:27.41 | Legorol | your movement is probably different from ours then |
| 23:27.52 | Kirov | It's not that he's putting it down in scorch, it's that consecrate is already there. |
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| 23:28.06 | Legorol | how is he ending up in a spot where the tank will be? O.O |
| 23:28.14 | Legorol | you probably move differently than us |
| 23:28.19 | Kirov | Like I said, our ret is dumb |
| 23:28.25 | Legorol | we have an area for the tank to run around in, that area is never entered by anyone (except OT) |
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| 23:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: it can be slow, but that is the pricy you pay for defragging a drive that full up ;) |
| 23:31.40 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: wtf you mean 'that full up'... 40GB, 10GB free ain't that full :P |
| 23:32.09 | ScytheBlade1 | When you're moving around single files that take 50%+ of your free space |
| 23:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty full ;) |
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| 23:33.35 | bleeter | why they just don't ship the entire game as a single .mpq, beats me. if they're gunna make it annoying for some ppl to defrag, may as well make it annoying to all :P |
| 23:34.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 23:36.07 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: because the stupid fucking patches reqire atleast as much freespace as the largest .mpq |
| 23:36.08 | Cloudwolf | ugh i dislike The Court of Bones give me a flight path please... |
| 23:40.41 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: so it'd be safe to assume Blizz don't do delta patches, eh? ;) |
| 23:41.01 | bleeter | I guess that'd make the mpq's even more fucked up =) |
| 23:41.07 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: they do but they make a copy of the mpq then patch it |
| 23:41.37 | Arrowmaster | i think the actual way the mpqs are, the file could be different for everybody but have the same contents |
| 23:41.55 | Gnarfoz | I don't even *want* to know what their convoluted patcher does |
| 23:42.45 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - except their repair tool appears to do checks on the .mpq files w/o looking at contents |
| 23:42.54 | Kirov | ie: just the md5 |
| 23:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh |
| 23:44.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I launch repair.exe |
| 23:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It checks the contents |
| 23:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that within the MPQs, hashes are stored of each file as part of the MPQ structure |
| 23:44.38 | bleeter | to my brain, the downloader don't seem to detect a peer on the same LAN as me to leech from, nor can I set the downloader to download from my ISP's Official Blizz Mirror... the whole download/patch/defrag experience from thereon is (generally) an excercise in further pain and fail like some bastard WfW3.11 maintenance procedure |
| 23:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: official blizz mirror? |
| 23:46.31 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: games.on.net is the gaming arm of my ISP |
| 23:46.40 | Arrowmaster | the downloader pulls from a cdn if you have p2p disabled, is your isp setup as part of that cdn? |
| 23:46.43 | bleeter | one of the top three aussie ISPs |
| 23:47.37 | bleeter | the downlaoder wasn't getting *ANY* http direct for me, so I went P2P |
| 23:49.09 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: jkdefrag ends up with 4 files still fragged, compared to Auslogic's only 1. The patch.mpq is still fragged /sigh |
| 23:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Run it again. |
| 23:49.26 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I've just run it 3 times! :P |
| 23:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:49.42 | Kirov | On patch day I started the downloader on my fiancee's computer and mine at the same time. She'd downloaded exactly zero of the new patch, I'd downloaded 720 / 740 megs |
| 23:49.54 | Kirov | After 10 minutes her computer had finished, I had 722 megs |
| 23:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | How fragmenented is fragmented? |
| 23:50.42 | Arrowmaster | how much free space do you have? |
| 23:51.45 | bleeter | patch.mpq is 2 segments.... 9GB free. |
| 23:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 23:51.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That's fine :P |
| 23:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Vista wouldn't even defrag a milti-gig file as long as it was in 64MB+ chunks |
| 23:53.32 | Thunder_Child | is reflective shield just on "You" or anyone you cast shield on? |
| 23:55.21 | Shirik | only on yourself |
| 23:55.37 | Shirik | I've never been a fan of it |
| 23:57.13 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, 2 segments is pretty much meaningless. :) |
| 23:58.14 | amro | Thunder_Child: overpowered enough when only on self ;) |
| 23:59.08 | foxlit | "Sorry to keep such an old thread still going, but for anyone having this issue the problem indeed is the addon "OPie". " |
| 23:59.21 | foxlit | /kick people for not submitting bug reports already. |
| 23:59.28 | mikma | "buttfinger" shirik! |
| 23:59.41 | Shirik | ?? |
| 23:59.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik amro, if i cast my shield on someone who has the talent, does it still work? |
