| 00:00.57 | Shirik | Hey guys FYI WoWI should be performing better now |
| 00:01.02 | Shirik | sorry about the problems earlier |
| 00:01.05 | Ackis | Shirik: when I boot up with the UBCD it gives me a prompt to load images... once I figured out what I needed to do to get it to work, I was able to load up an image and was given a prompt but couldn't find an exe to run |
| 00:01.07 | kamdis | thanks shirik :) |
| 00:01.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, now go do the same for WoW |
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| 00:01.38 | Dagmar | Ackis: Try picking one of the options that just runs the manufacturer's diagnostic |
| 00:01.57 | Dagmar | (gotta go to a remote facility, or I'd be able to give better desc than that) |
| 00:02.21 | Ackis | hmm ok |
| 00:02.28 | Ackis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.41 | Thunder_Child | lol @ http://fukung.net/v/823/internetlingo.jpg |
| 00:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | HA |
| 00:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 00:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://fukung.net/v/40/boobies.jpg |
| 00:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | sfw |
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| 00:11.39 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/9644/2bb1721e739d2aca293bad00631eaed7.jpg |
| 00:14.41 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: somebody has suggested that residental fiber to your home is faster and cheeper than other hosting options |
| 00:15.13 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16366357799&postId=164150151508&sid=1#21 |
| 00:15.17 | Arrowmaster | hes quoting me |
| 00:15.43 | Arrowmaster | btw i did the math, $14347.95 per month |
| 00:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Residential lines get your service terminated when you upload a terabyte in a day |
| 00:16.01 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 00:16.06 | Arrowmaster | that was my reply |
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| 00:17.49 | Arrowmaster | i would love to see 205 FiOS lines setup in a load balancing config |
| 00:18.05 | Arrowmaster | the overhead cost would probably make it require 300 lines instead |
| 00:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably be cheaper to just run OC3 or something |
| 00:19.13 | Arrowmaster | an OC3 is a little less than 3 20/20 FiOS lines |
| 00:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | OC-768 then |
| 00:19.34 | Arrowmaster | overkil |
| 00:19.38 | amro | ScytheBlade1: I clicked that and got http://fukung.net/v/2153/2uqlrtz.jpg |
| 00:19.41 | Arrowmaster | OC-96 |
| 00:19.43 | amro | >_< |
| 00:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 00:20.16 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=15520 |
| 00:20.21 | mikma | fun fun |
| 00:20.49 | kd3 | amro; lmao |
| 00:21.20 | Arrowmaster | http://fukung.net/v/14271/5290a97aeb598eb36f937e53f1ee71e4.jpg |
| 00:24.14 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/9585/a93e200119138c5816ac0114934bd82d.jpg |
| 00:27.53 | mikma | i love adding tags to fukung |
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| 00:32.37 | AbsolutRayne | Ok seriously, who let Stupidity out of its Cage today? |
| 00:33.17 | mikma | absolutrayne: http://fukung.net/v/11619/505624d1c333783510ec7ab8307720b0.gif |
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| 00:33.42 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: I hate you, im now choking on my dinner |
| 00:33.49 | mikma | hehe |
| 00:33.58 | mikma | and i'm cruel because i laugh at you choking |
| 00:34.34 | AbsolutRayne | I laughed at myself |
| 00:34.53 | AbsolutRayne | So it works out |
| 00:34.59 | End | I wonder if I'll get to raid tonight |
| 00:35.07 | End | and by get to raid, I wonder if I'll be able to zone in |
| 00:35.15 | mikma | end: s/raid/laid/ |
| 00:35.45 | Shirik | ok this is confusing |
| 00:35.49 | Shirik | my entire raid just froze for everyone |
| 00:35.52 | Shirik | nobody can cast spells, etc. |
| 00:35.55 | Shirik | But we can all type in chat |
| 00:36.02 | Shirik | without lag |
| 00:36.06 | amro | yes |
| 00:36.09 | amro | happens |
| 00:36.20 | mikma | WOOO, gm locked you guys out |
| 00:36.24 | Shirik | It's wierd that you can talk in chat |
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| 00:36.49 | AbsolutRayne | remembers when IF used to lag like that |
| 00:37.10 | amro | you mean Lagforge |
| 00:37.23 | amro | (and Lagrimmar) |
| 00:37.25 | Shirik | OMG THIS IS AWESOME |
| 00:37.31 | Shirik | I can activate all my spells |
| 00:37.37 | Shirik | all my spells have yellow outlines around them |
| 00:37.47 | Shirik | no more "another action is in progress" |
| 00:38.00 | AbsolutRayne | ITS A WHOLE NEW SPECTRUM OF LAG |
| 00:38.03 | AbsolutRayne | LIKE A RAINBOW |
| 00:38.12 | mikma | less lsd, more lol |
| 00:38.13 | amro | Shirik: unplug your NIC, mash away, replug |
| 00:39.36 | Aznamir | Anyone having issue with opening other people's profession links? |
| 00:39.47 | mikma | http://fukung.net/v/14499/865e709b6955f14ca959e5b9831ffd4f.jpg |
| 00:41.19 | Shirik | lol @ every spell activated: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3895/wowscrnshot041509203855.jpg |
| 00:42.09 | Thunder_Child | a tad laggy? |
| 00:42.11 | mikma | shirik: .. really? uiscale 1.0? |
| 00:42.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:42.18 | kd3 | ergah |
| 00:42.28 | kd3 | how do I remove stuff from the tracking frame? |
| 00:42.35 | Shirik | I don't care what my UI looks like mikma |
| 00:42.37 | Shirik | it just have to work |
| 00:42.45 | kd3 | without shift-clicking or w/e? |
| 00:42.47 | mikma | shirik: we should form a club then |
| 00:43.00 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5213584/star-warsmacguyver-mashup-just-makes-sense |
| 00:43.18 | tekkub | we already have a club |
| 00:43.22 | tekkub | No Shiriks |
| 00:43.24 | tekkub | remember? |
| 00:43.28 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:43.40 | mikma | shirik: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_041309_214344.jpg <- care++ |
| 00:43.51 | sysrage | awesome. set up my dual spec and it ruined my main spec so i got to spend another 30g |
| 00:44.07 | mikma | tekkub: we are allowed to have one shirik |
| 00:44.24 | mikma | it's no shiriks |
| 00:44.39 | kd3 | oh geez fail: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16418682650&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 00:45.19 | Sargeras | whoa |
| 00:45.28 | tekkub | yes |
| 00:46.14 | Sargeras | still doesnt explain why I can't load into Ulduar |
| 00:46.47 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/8894/82c246c89d9070c1b3a3dfa9e8271d32.jpg |
| 00:48.52 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/7247/dont_phase.jpg :D :D |
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| 00:49.33 | Shirik | Sargeras: You're better off not loading into Ulduar |
| 00:49.38 | Shirik | Everyone on my server is stuck inside |
| 00:49.40 | Shirik | we can't do anything |
| 00:49.47 | Shirik | even if you relog, you just log in stuck |
| 00:50.37 | Thunder_Child | not just ulduar |
| 00:52.59 | AbsolutRayne | http://fukung.net/v/11662/36107138979ed004206b4af97573ce0d.jpg i GIGGLED |
| 00:53.47 | AbsolutRayne | Also slapped my Cp |
| 00:53.49 | kamdis | *sigh* crazies in my neighborhood: http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=2214 |
| 00:53.50 | AbsolutRayne | Caps lock |
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| 00:54.31 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ that blog tagline |
| 00:54.42 | Etanol | :/ |
| 00:55.07 | kamdis | You really need to get through the whole thing |
| 00:55.14 | kamdis | it gets more and more insane |
| 00:56.22 | tekkub | no number 2! |
| 00:56.29 | kamdis | yeah |
| 00:56.36 | kamdis | no big toilet or big toruble ahead! |
| 00:56.40 | kamdis | *trouble |
| 00:56.42 | tekkub | someone likes their signs |
| 00:56.44 | Arrowmaster | rofl they deleted one of the topics on the ui forum |
| 00:56.45 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 00:56.47 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.48 | ScytheBlade1 | crazies indeed |
| 00:56.56 | Arrowmaster | the one kaelten posted in then went back to his birthday party |
| 00:56.58 | tekkub | Arrowmaster: one of the WM ones? |
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| 00:57.21 | kamdis | good arrowmaster. i've been reporting duplicates for hours, begging for heavier moderation of the forum since all these threads keep getting moved there. |
| 00:58.10 | Arrowmaster | yes the one started by the guy yelling 'show proof' 'so me emails where authors requested wowmatrix remove their stuff' |
| 00:58.13 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 00:58.14 | Shirik | Okay, so |
| 00:58.19 | Arrowmaster | the asshat from my server |
| 00:58.20 | Shirik | 20 guild members just went offline |
| 00:58.25 | Shirik | so I'm sitting here like "yay will be fixed soon!" |
| 00:58.33 | Shirik | No, everyone that WASN'T in Ulduar got kicked |
| 00:58.38 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:58.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
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| 01:00.15 | mikma | shirik: new avatar for you: http://media.fukung.net/images/11883/e369fd0ce662e5832d8c690e821a29a7.gif |
| 01:00.53 | Nuckin | mikma: LOL ^^ |
| 01:01.21 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 01:02.27 | kd3 | is anyone's objective tracker busted? |
| 01:02.28 | mikma | slightly nsfw, http://media.fukung.net/images/11271/gay_test.jpg |
| 01:03.02 | Nuckin | lol |
| 01:03.11 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me of the US penny |
| 01:03.16 | Mr_Rabies | with a little abraham lincoln in it |
| 01:03.25 | Mr_Rabies | on the back |
| 01:03.31 | kd3 | anyone? beuller? |
| 01:03.49 | Kirov | kd3 - I haven't seen it |
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| 01:05.41 | mikma | tekkub: http://media.fukung.net/images/14770/d82eebe4a1bc201df64ff8b380945810.jpg |
| 01:06.03 | tekkub | hehehehehehe |
| 01:06.27 | mikma | tekkub: http://media.fukung.net/images/13035/bbd88dd1c34166e034b537128356b74e.jpg |
| 01:06.38 | tekkub | ... |
| 01:07.05 | mikma | u no liek bacon kekeke? |
| 01:07.15 | Nuckin | bacon addicts, I swear |
| 01:08.37 | Dolby | Sargeras: had this for dinner http://media.fukung.net/images/13035/bbd88dd1c34166e034b537128356b74e.jpg |
| 01:08.47 | Dolby | lol fail |
| 01:09.27 | Dagmar | I have some win to balance that out right here http://www.spinninghat.com/product/blood-bath-shower-curtain |
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| 01:10.35 | Sargeras | did not |
| 01:10.37 | Sargeras | ew |
| 01:10.58 | mikma | pokes gryphen |
| 01:11.03 | Gryphen | pokes mikma |
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| 01:14.34 | Dagmar | Dolby: I suspect that's a "bacon failed to explode" issue |
| 01:15.19 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16417182855&postId=164150152337&sid=1#101 |
| 01:15.23 | Arrowmaster | who wants 10 points! |
| 01:15.39 | aesir | ping Ackis |
| 01:15.46 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:16.59 | Thunder_Child | what kind of points? |
| 01:17.01 | Dagmar | OPOOh! I know I know! |
| 01:17.10 | Dagmar | Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1976 |
| 01:17.14 | Dagmar | Section 1080 |
| 01:17.17 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 01:17.20 | Dagmar | A 5 a I think too |
| 01:17.22 | Arrowmaster | wow your exact |
| 01:17.24 | Dagmar | <-- hx0r |
| 01:17.28 | Arrowmaster | post it |
| 01:17.33 | Dagmar | lol okay |
| 01:17.46 | mikma | christ, people still whining about that one |
| 01:18.06 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: If people have to work to do something, theyll continue to whine. |
| 01:18.35 | mikma | absolutrayne: they need to be more cool!!!11 like me |
| 01:18.50 | AbsolutRayne | mikma: Ur lyk mah Id0lz mang! |
| 01:18.50 | Dagmar | This should probably explain to some people why I seem to know a lot about contracts and what's breakin' the law and what isn't. :) |
| 01:19.17 | Dagmar | It's not many occupations where a slightl misstep can land you in jail. |
| 01:19.31 | mikma | absolutrayne: http://wow.reaktio.net/update.sh.txt <3 :D |
| 01:19.33 | Arrowmaster | security tester? |
| 01:19.42 | AbsolutRayne | Dagmar: Your Hunter is untalented <_< |
| 01:19.43 | Dagmar | Security engineering |
| 01:19.51 | pnorman | Don't think contracts would enter into any likely case involving WM, I'd expect it to be purely copyright. |
| 01:19.53 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: I know. I only had time to login and restack my ammo last night |
| 01:20.09 | AbsolutRayne | :P Its a joke <_< |
| 01:20.20 | Dagmar | pnroman: It's not like anyone would bother with prosecuting that, but they are breakin' it |
| 01:20.47 | Dagmar | AbsoluteRayne: *polite laughter* |
| 01:21.02 | Arrowmaster | curse should sue wowmatrix for tortious infringement (sp?) (Xinhuan can correct that) and get help from Blizzards lawyers |
| 01:21.22 | pnorman | Ya, why bother with contract law when a DMCA notice for them distributing Omen |
| 01:21.25 | Dagmar | I used to do security analysis, a little pen testing, policy writing, audits, etc |
| 01:21.39 | AbsolutRayne | Im going to avoid posting on the forums for the rest of the night. |
| 01:21.59 | AbsolutRayne | Im pretty close to just calling these people retarded flat out, and just going into allout troll mode. |
| 01:22.27 | Dagmar | I think mainly the only people "falling" for their idiot argumentation are other twelve-year-old kids |
| 01:22.55 | Dagmar | People who've run websites know they run $400/year and up, and that's with only moderate resource consumption |
| 01:23.11 | Dagmar | A site servicing a potential userbase of twelve million I imagine is at the very least that much per month |
| 01:23.36 | netcurse | Arrowmaster, lawuits are too costly |
| 01:23.40 | netcurse | and the owner live in malta |
| 01:23.41 | Dagmar | ...most of it being bandwidth charges on 90th percentile billing (which is pretty forgiving) |
| 01:23.45 | netcurse | a very small island in europe |
| 01:23.50 | AbsolutRayne | goes back to testing Rogue Cycles |
| 01:24.07 | Antiarc | rofl, $400 per month? |
| 01:24.10 | Antiarc | That's a dreamworld |
| 01:24.34 | Dagmar | Who lives in Malta? |
| 01:24.38 | netcurse | our hosting bill this month is going to be close to 6 figures |
| 01:24.44 | netcurse | if not |
| 01:24.47 | Dagmar | Antiarc: I know it's wishful thinking, but I did say "at least" |
| 01:24.53 | Antiarc | ^--- that |
| 01:24.54 | Arrowmaster | netcurse: was a joke, since the Blizzard vs MDY case was won over MDYs business was designed around helping people break a contract with blizzard |
| 01:25.02 | netcurse | The owner of wowmatrix, dagmar |
| 01:25.11 | netcurse | ah ok :) |
| 01:25.13 | Dagmar | I've an idea of what a "plain" content sites costs are, which are above that |
| 01:25.18 | Dagmar | netcurse: Doubt it |
| 01:25.27 | netcurse | what do you doubt? |
| 01:25.30 | netcurse | i have talk to him |
| 01:25.34 | Dagmar | Malta is one of those places entities like to incorporate |
| 01:25.44 | Dagmar | Either way, he's screwing over other sites |
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| 01:25.53 | Dagmar | ...and he's burned enough bridges by now no one is going to trust him |
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| 01:26.23 | kneeki | I wish recount was updated on WoWI =( |
| 01:26.36 | pnorman | WM is hosted in netherlands? |
| 01:26.55 | Etanol | ~wowmatrix |
| 01:27.04 | purl | methinks wowmatrix is crap |
| 01:27.04 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 01:27.11 | Thunder_Child | http://geotool.servehttp.com/?ip=87.233.179.232&host=www.wowmatrix.com |
| 01:27.15 | Ackis | ~literal wowmatrix |
| 01:27.16 | purl | "wowmatrix" is "crap" |
| 01:27.24 | kneeki | ~kick kneeki |
| 01:27.25 | purl | ACTION kicks kneeki |
| 01:27.32 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.36 | Etanol | ~kneeki++ |
| 01:27.39 | Etanol | ;) |
| 01:27.41 | Etanol | :* |
| 01:27.42 | kneeki | lol |
| 01:27.43 | kneeki | =) |
| 01:27.45 | Etanol | gnight |
| 01:27.48 | kneeki | g'nite |
| 01:28.01 | Arrowmaster | netherlands is in the Euriopean Union right? |
| 01:28.18 | kamdis | Yes |
| 01:28.49 | Dagmar | That means it would be subject to their rules |
| 01:29.38 | Dagmar | Trying to read Norway's legal code through Google Translator is not something I'm interested in |
| 01:29.50 | pnorman | Aside from that, given that they're hosting stuff they don't have a license for, most hosts would shut them down aside from the DMCA or similar provisions. |
| 01:30.03 | Arrowmaster | wtf at this guys reply |
| 01:30.05 | Dagmar | YEah that's where one issue comes up |
| 01:30.15 | Dagmar | They're not actually hosting anything, unless they've started doing so |
| 01:30.20 | pnorman | They have |
| 01:30.38 | pnorman | Or so I'm told, someone mentioned they're now hosting Omen, and I saw that I could of downloaded Recount |
| 01:30.54 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, i've got a bit of time now, where can i find wowmatrix hosting a copy of omen? |
| 01:30.54 | Dagmar | Let's hope everyone who wants to fuss remembered to include a licence agreement in all their packages |
| 01:31.04 | pnorman | If they didn't, then it's all rights reserved. |
| 01:31.20 | Dagmar | This is true |
| 01:31.39 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: i dont know but others probably do |
| 01:31.41 | Dagmar | I'm not sure if their rules parallel the US's on that point |
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| 01:31.58 | Dagmar | They probably would come down that way if it were pressed just because of the economic thing |
| 01:32.06 | pnorman | Xinhuan, I'll look and see, lemme archive my stuff |
| 01:32.23 | Xinhuan | do i really have to download wowm just to see this |
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| 01:32.33 | pnorman | I'll have a look and log it's traffic |
| 01:32.34 | Arrowmaster | probably not |
| 01:33.11 | Arrowmaster | dolby should know |
| 01:34.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ~logs |
| 01:34.20 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 01:34.27 | Thunder_Child | how are we supposed to get out of an instance loading screen that wont load? |
| 01:34.34 | Ackis | wow I just saw a major wow fuckup... aspirant's seals don't use the currency pouch |
| 01:35.07 | Ackis | noooo's like Lord Vader. |
| 01:35.09 | NightHawkTheSane | given that you really only need 15 of them, once per character, ever.. no big deal? |
| 01:35.17 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 01:35.23 | Ackis | you mean you don't collect them for ever? |
| 01:35.27 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 01:35.28 | Ackis | what happens if I get 16 of them? |
| 01:35.29 | pnorman | Xinhuan, just got called into a raid, and can't run WM without making a backup so it doesn't screw up my addons |
| 01:35.34 | Thunder_Child | you break wow |
| 01:35.36 | NightHawkTheSane | you have one extra that doesn't do jack shit |
| 01:35.38 | Xinhuan | aha |
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| 01:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | after you turn in the "bring me 15 seals" quest, you become a Valient, and collect 25 valients seals |
| 01:36.18 | NightHawkTheSane | and then you become a champion and collect champions seals, which i think use the currency pane. |
| 01:37.25 | Dagmar | I suspect they didn't bother to make the smaller ones currency because you're not likely to have them for very long |
| 01:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | isnt that what i said? |
| 01:37.41 | NightHawkTheSane | more or less :P |
| 01:37.42 | Ackis | no |
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| 01:39.12 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: im guessing its hosted somewhere under http://swupdate.wowmatrix.com/addons/ |
| 01:39.19 | Arrowmaster | whats the filename for the most recent version? |
| 01:39.33 | Xinhuan | its the zip file wowace produced |
| 01:39.36 | Xinhuan | whatever the name is |
| 01:41.28 | Arrowmaster | not there |
| 01:41.36 | Thunder_Child | why the hell do i keep hearing the wors fatality sound!! >.< |
| 01:41.40 | Thunder_Child | worms* |
| 01:42.15 | Arrowmaster | you just reminded me that i havent checked what the XBL deal of the week is |
| 01:42.22 | Zootfizzle | Thunder_Child: Too many drugs during the 60s? |
| 01:42.53 | Arrowmaster | men GRAW 2: Co-Op Collection 2 |
| 01:42.55 | Arrowmaster | meh |
| 01:43.06 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, i'm not that old grandpa |
| 01:43.17 | Arrowmaster | you have bugsack |
| 01:43.20 | mikma | newest MSBT makes weird sounds also |
| 01:43.25 | Arrowmaster | you have bugs |
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| 01:43.39 | Thunder_Child | ah, bugsack it is then, thanks Arrowmaster |
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| 01:44.07 | kd3 | yay! coin master |
| 01:44.11 | kd3 | sighs |
| 01:44.21 | Zootfizzle | LOL |
| 01:44.24 | Thunder_Child | i usually have no audio but now that i am doing fisshing...it's kinda required |
| 01:44.28 | Zootfizzle | Yay! Achievement! |
| 01:44.30 | Zootfizzle | sighs |
| 01:44.36 | Thunder_Child | assuming i dont want to stare at it all day |
| 01:45.29 | Ackis | cheers for Zootfizzle |
| 01:45.29 | tekkub | blames Zootfizzle for the downfall of WM |
| 01:45.43 | Ackis | so with the dual spec stuff, does it change your action bars? |
| 01:45.49 | tekkub | yes |
| 01:45.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:45.52 | mikma | why didn't you stop it?!?! |
| 01:45.57 | kd3 | idly wonders how many emails customer service/tech support got about that |
| 01:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | did you... not read any of the preview stuff? |
| 01:46.02 | Zootfizzle | It's because I'm secretly launching SprocketInterface.com |
| 01:46.08 | Zootfizzle | Whoops |
| 01:46.15 | Zootfizzle | registers a new domain name... |
| 01:46.19 | Arrowmaster | i want a feat of strength for pointing out on the wow forums that over 100,000 wow customers may have been commiting a federal crime |
| 01:46.20 | tekkub | wowsprockets is better |
| 01:46.34 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: no I didn't, this patch made me sad |
| 01:47.08 | mikma | WOWINYOURFACE.COM! |
| 01:47.15 | Zootfizzle | Oooh, nice one |
| 01:47.19 | pnorman | Omen is showing offline on WM now |
| 01:47.26 | Zootfizzle | INYERFACE for bonus points |
| 01:47.39 | mikma | uh, wowinyerface.com |
| 01:48.08 | Arrowmaster | their spys in this channel probably told them they would be getting DMCA take down notices for hosting Omen so they pulled it asap |
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| 01:49.07 | Dagmar | OMGSPIES! |
| 01:50.00 | Ackis | imma spy |
| 01:50.06 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 01:50.33 | Ackis | aye |
| 01:50.38 | Ackis | I'm the spy who shagged you |
| 01:51.01 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Ackis |
| 01:51.05 | Ackis | :( |
| 01:54.20 | Thunder_Child | blizz really need to fix fishing |
| 01:54.49 | Nuckin | Thunder_Child: Blizzard didn't break fishing, God did |
| 01:54.50 | Zootfizzle | Dare I ask, what's broken with it? |
| 01:55.06 | Ackis | Zootfizzle: box opened, cannot be closed |
| 01:55.09 | Dagmar | It's boring as f**k |
| 01:55.14 | Thunder_Child | not broken, i mean ist the only profession that can not be automated |
| 01:55.18 | Thunder_Child | it's* |
| 01:55.21 | Nuckin | Dagmar: exactly |
| 01:55.30 | Ackis | Dagmar: imagine 30 second cast times w/o a guarentee to get a fish |
| 01:55.37 | kd3 | oh, I remember that |
| 01:55.38 | Zootfizzle | Oh. |
| 01:55.51 | Zootfizzle | Okay, so it's not broken, you just don't have fun doing it :) |
| 01:56.01 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 01:56.21 | Thunder_Child | right, i should have said 'change' not 'fix' |
| 01:56.34 | Ackis | Zootfizzle: just make it so you ahve to solve a complex quadratic equation in the 15 seconds otherwise no fishy for you! |
| 01:56.38 | Wobin | It's terrbile |
| 01:56.57 | Wobin | The UIForums have informed posts and rebuttals |
| 01:57.05 | Wobin | Where's the lulz? The Drama?! |
| 01:57.11 | Nuckin | Ackis: that'd be one hell of a selling point for the 13 year old demographic |
| 01:57.20 | End | this is fun |
| 01:57.20 | Ackis | Wobin: UNBAN my account and I'll cause DRAMAMAMMAMAMAMAMAMAMMAMAM |
| 01:57.25 | End | and by fun I mena |
| 01:57.27 | End | mean* |
| 01:57.29 | End | this sucks ball |
| 01:57.30 | Wobin | Dramamine? |
| 01:57.31 | Zootfizzle | Wobin: I almost locked a post today because its title was all caps. Almost. |
| 01:57.32 | Thunder_Child | i mean, even being able to hit '1' to bring in the cast would be nice |
| 01:57.34 | End | <insert QQ about lag here> |
| 01:57.41 | Thunder_Child | instead of rclicking |
| 01:57.45 | Wobin | admires Zootfizzle's constraint |
| 01:57.50 | Wobin | (er restraint) |
| 01:58.04 | kd3 | almost locked? where's the banning with prejudice? |
| 01:58.26 | Ackis | if my account was not banned I'd call zoot z00t to make him 1337 |
| 01:58.47 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.51 | Ackis | lol |
| 01:59.28 | Zootfizzle | kd3: I follow a set of strict Gnomish escalation of force guidelines :P |
| 02:00.24 | Stew_a | does anyone know if purl-type bots can be configured to respond to keywords instead of having to be adressed specifically? |
| 02:00.36 | Ackis | speaking of gnomes, where's cog? |
| 02:00.44 | Arrowmaster | Stew_a: yes |
| 02:00.48 | kd3 | they can, but are rather strongly frowned upon. such bots tend to get banned from here |
| 02:01.03 | mikma | ackis: you earned your ban. suck it! |
| 02:01.10 | Arrowmaster | the Git channel has one |
| 02:01.20 | Ackis | mikma: nah, this time I didn't earn my ban :P |
| 02:02.24 | mikma | ackis: tell it to the jury |
| 02:02.33 | Ackis | I has |
| 02:02.41 | Ackis | but imma already executedededed |
| 02:03.02 | AbsolutRayne | Protip: you can enchant your Lances from the Argent Tourney |
| 02:03.45 | Ackis | is it the default UI that gives me price per item for auctions? |
| 02:03.52 | mikma | yes |
| 02:03.59 | Esamynn | AbsolutRayne: to what end, to make them all glowy? |
| 02:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsolutRayne: o_0 what Esamynn said.. |
| 02:04.15 | AbsolutRayne | No they dont glow :( |
| 02:04.23 | AbsolutRayne | But I know for sure ill be chasing Lowbies with it |
| 02:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | laaaame |
| 02:04.35 | AbsolutRayne | Im going to the Suggestions Forums |
| 02:04.37 | AbsolutRayne | Whos with me?! |
| 02:04.53 | mikma | you, yourself and Irene |
| 02:04.57 | Syzgyn_ | Server go BOOM! |
| 02:05.11 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: start a petition!! |
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| 02:07.51 | AbsolutRayne | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473137248&postId=164715047693&sid=1#0 zomg support it! |
| 02:08.27 | Esamynn | ~lart AbsolutRayne |
| 02:08.27 | purl | duct-tapes AbsolutRayne to the floor and drools on him |
| 02:08.27 | mikma | zootfizzle: ^---- ban ban! |
| 02:08.31 | Ackis | AbsolutRayne: I can't read it, I'm banned :P |
| 02:08.45 | Esamynn | ~cluebat Ackis |
| 02:08.46 | purl | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Ackis. |
| 02:08.53 | Ackis | never! |
| 02:08.59 | Ackis | (ps: what clue am I supposed to get?) |
| 02:09.41 | Esamynn | what, you trying to tell me the banned your IP? :P |
| 02:09.54 | Esamynn | s/the/they/ |
| 02:10.09 | Ackis | nah everytime I go to the forums I get the u r banned message, I can't get logged out |
| 02:10.19 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 02:10.33 | Esamynn | so clear your cookies... :P |
| 02:10.47 | Ackis | I have, i've been giving them all too Zootfizzle |
| 02:12.32 | mikma | and even that amount haven't got you unbanned |
| 02:13.16 | Ackis | I wouldn't ask him to :P I've gone through the channels and the only thiing left for me is to QQ about it here for you to all laugh at me |
| 02:13.46 | Esamynn | ~laugh Ackis |
| 02:13.47 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at Ackis...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 02:14.08 | mikma | stop haxxing the forums and you wont get banned |
| 02:14.23 | Ackis | pfft |
| 02:14.42 | Ackis | ok i r rebooootting |
| 02:15.00 | End | so |
| 02:15.13 | End | I wonder if there's a way to unmerge b.net accounts |
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| 02:15.51 | Syzgyn | Yea, remind me again why we did that? |
| 02:16.13 | Syzgyn | Supposedly if you call support you can get it unmerged |
| 02:16.28 | End | really? |
| 02:16.39 | pnorman | Northrend just went down again |
| 02:16.40 | End | because I can logon to my untouched account |
| 02:16.51 | End | but my b.net account gives "cannot connect" errors |
| 02:16.52 | pnorman | Ya, there's issues with merged accounts |
| 02:17.25 | kd3 | cries at [flyable] still not doing what it's supposed to |
| 02:17.55 | Syzgyn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16473967291&sid=1&pageNo=1 Post 9 |
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| 02:20.00 | Legorol | Esamynn: ping |
| 02:20.06 | Esamynn | Legorol: pong |
| 02:20.27 | Legorol | Esamynn: since both auctioneer and gatherer are packaged with swatter/slidebar, does it matter if i end up with an older version? |
| 02:20.29 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: we'll be lucky for that to EVER work |
| 02:20.31 | Legorol | depending on installation order |
| 02:21.00 | Esamynn | at the moment, not really, to my knowledge, neither has changed in a while |
| 02:21.20 | Legorol | related question: how can i tell which one has the more recent version of these addons? |
| 02:21.27 | Legorol | as a noob enduser |
| 02:21.39 | Esamynn | well |
| 02:21.40 | Legorol | of course i'm a pro addon author so i can tell, but how can my grandma tell? |
| 02:21.43 | Esamynn | you really can't :( |
| 02:21.55 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:22.02 | Legorol | i guess the best thing is then to say: |
| 02:22.08 | Legorol | install addons in the order they appear updated on sites |
| 02:22.37 | Legorol | for example, gatherer was updated later, so it must have more recent version of these ;) |
| 02:23.04 | Esamynn | in reality, almost certainly the exact same version ;) |
| 02:27.37 | Dagmar | Good thing your gramma is too busy playing World of Knitting |
| 02:27.58 | Dagmar | Easier shot rotations now that they've nerfed perl |
| 02:28.09 | Nuckin | Dagmar: that games freaking sweet, I have a level 342905832478 on there |
| 02:28.24 | Dagmar | Knot one, perl two, knot one, perl two. |
| 02:28.32 | Dagmar | The cardigan rotation was a right bitch |
| 02:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Dagmar |
| 02:28.34 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P Dagmar' action |
| 02:28.35 | Nuckin | hell yea |
| 02:28.46 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 02:28.47 | Nuckin | dokg, lol |
| 02:29.24 | Dagmar | I gotta make jokes. I jst got a call from someoen claiming Yahoo was blocking our mails. |
| 02:29.25 | Dagmar | It's not. |
| 02:29.43 | Dagmar | Gonna be a high headdesk count night I think |
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| 02:30.42 | Ackis | hi |
| 02:34.18 | aesir | Hey Ackis do you still want bug reports on wowace? I ask because only wowace addon authors can submit bug reports there atm. |
| 02:35.06 | Ackis | aesir: yes please, they've just made it so only authors can log in because of the patch right now |
| 02:36.00 | Dagmar | ...otherwise it'd be a flood of "MY ADDON R NOT WERK! HALP!" |
| 02:36.07 | Ackis | ^ |
| 02:36.20 | Ackis | what kind of report is it right now? |
| 02:36.22 | Dagmar | I used to just not look at my email for three days after each Dropline release |
| 02:36.31 | aesir | You mean like the one where I say the leatherworking stuff is wrong and that I broke your dataminer? |
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| 02:36.56 | Ackis | oh |
| 02:37.02 | Ackis | don't care about dataminer right now |
| 02:37.06 | Ackis | what LW stuff? |
| 02:37.25 | Hirsute | Oh, this is *full* of fail. |
| 02:37.44 | aesir | I ran the miner script on a regular run of the mill LW trainer,and it burped up a few skill levels that were wrong. |
| 02:37.53 | Hirsute | Anyone have a hunter that they've dual spec'd yet? |
| 02:38.24 | Ackis | @project arl |
| 02:38.36 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/. Ackis Recipe List. Game: WoW. Ackis (Manager/Author), Jim-Bim (Author), Zhinjio (Author), Elkano (Tester), ananhaid (Translator), andy52005 (Translator), Dessa (Translator), Pettigrow (Translator), Pneumatus (Translator), Primaxina (Translator), Swix (Translator). Updated: 5 hours ago. Tickets: 9/480 |
| 02:38.39 | Ackis | ah ok ugh |
| 02:39.34 | Ackis | just skill levels right? then it can wait a few days/until I run it myself |
| 02:41.42 | Hirsute | Respecing my pet every time I switch specs = fail |
| 02:42.04 | Dagmar | At least it doesn't cost you |
| 02:42.19 | Dagmar | Someon'll probably cook up a plugin for that eventually |
| 02:43.13 | kd3 | gack. the usable quest item texture is still stretching horizontally |
| 02:43.56 | Hirsute | Dagmar: *nod* But really, Blizz should just give the pets dual specs too. |
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| 02:44.39 | Dagmar | I'm sure we'd all be thrilled to pay 500g for that |
| 02:44.51 | Dagmar | For now i'd just keep quiet and consider it a perk |
| 02:45.22 | Dagmar | It's the exotic pet mastery that is likely causing it to be necessary |
| 02:45.33 | Hirsute | Well, it shouldn't be something that needs to be paid for in addition. I can understand the need for different pet specs with different hunter specs (the 4 extra points for BM, for example) |
| 02:45.50 | Hirsute | Well, possibly, but it seems to do it even if neither of the hunter's specs is a BM spec. |
| 02:46.23 | Hirsute | Like I said, I can see the need for different specs, but we shouldn't need to redo it every time we switch specs. |
| 02:46.37 | Dagmar | To check for the presence of that particular talent would mean more complex code |
| 02:48.13 | kd3 | YES! a direct FP from dalaran to sholazar |
| 02:48.26 | Dagmar | sgtpepper: It's likely something more important is failing then |
| 02:48.38 | Dagmar | kd3: You're sure about that? |
| 02:48.44 | tekkub | kd3: bout fucking time |
| 02:48.52 | Dagmar | I've noted there's a few that show up as straight lines which aren't |
| 02:48.53 | kd3 | I'm flying across right now |
| 02:48.57 | Dagmar | Excellent then |
| 02:49.01 | tekkub | I hated that even more than the not being able to fly over WG to get there |
| 02:50.01 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Don't check for the presence of the talent, just make each pet store two point distributions, and swap them out when the hunter swaps specs. |
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| 02:50.25 | Hirsute | They're already unlearning all their talents, so they're half way there. |
| 02:50.36 | Dagmar | hirsuite: That would mean changing talent info databases as well as the players |
| 02:51.00 | kd3 | anyone know if quartz's been updated yet? |
| 02:51.15 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, shouldn't be all that complicated. |
| 02:51.24 | Dagmar | I dunno about complicated |
| 02:51.45 | Nuckin | kd3: according to survival list, it has been |
| 02:51.49 | Dagmar | I'm figuring they didn't much bother because a) it's of trivial impact and b) I won't mind being able to respec my pet at will |
| 02:52.06 | Hirsute | I'll mind when it slows me down in a dungeon or raid. |
| 02:52.32 | Hirsute | And when I'm switching out specs to experiment with rotations etc, and I have to respec my pets. |
| 02:52.34 | Dagmar | How is it supposed to do that? |
| 02:53.00 | Dagmar | Did dual spec turn into free respecs when I wasn't looking? |
| 02:53.03 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Because if I switch specs, I have to stop and retalent my pet, every single time. |
| 02:53.15 | Dagmar | You have to stop and retalent YOU every single time by that standard. |
| 02:53.24 | Dagmar | One of you has a hell of a lot fewer points to worry over |
| 02:53.57 | Dagmar | Anyway, pet specs are just about child's play to tinker with |
| 02:54.13 | mikma | so, best updates listed: a) mounts can swim, b) you wont be dismounted in winterspring-felwood-moonglade tunnel, c) dalaran to sholazar fp is shorter |
| 02:54.18 | Hirsute | Dagmar: I'm not saying the dual spec system is bad. I like it just fine. I don't have to reassign my own points, individually, every time I switch specs. I *do* need to reassign my pet's points, individually, every time I switch between my own talent specs. |
| 02:54.38 | Dagmar | Yeah I can understand that would be annoying, but I don't see it as anything major personally. |
| 02:54.48 | Dagmar | Someone will probably wind up rolling an addon to manage it anyway |
| 02:55.04 | Legorol | mikma: i'm surprised you are using the dalaran to sholazar fp |
| 02:55.09 | Legorol | don't you just talk to the mage to port you to sholazar? |
| 02:55.16 | Iriel | You can't do that forever |
| 02:55.17 | Dagmar | Leogorol: Gotta buy eggs |
| 02:55.21 | Hirsute | Legorol: You can do that after the first time? |
| 02:55.24 | Iriel | it stops working once you do the quests |
| 02:55.29 | kd3 | mikma; they finally fixed the furball tunnel? |
| 02:55.29 | Legorol | ah bummer |
| 02:55.32 | Legorol | didn't know that |
| 02:55.59 | Legorol | well then get on your flying mount, point and shoot |
| 02:57.02 | ZorbaTHut | wintergrasp is in the way ;) |
| 02:57.03 | Dagmar | *flies over the edge of Wintergrasp while AFK* |
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| 02:57.46 | Dagmar | It's so much fun to get dismounted at max alttitude |
| 02:57.48 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: Did you decide to keep updating QH? |
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| 02:58.06 | Dagmar | You get to spend *many* minutes wondering where the eff you're going to land |
| 02:59.14 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.1.0_%28undocumented_changes%29 |
| 02:59.40 | mikma | kd3: yeah i mounted through the furball tunnel like 4h ago <3 |
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| 03:03.10 | Legorol | hmm, i'm baffled |
| 03:03.34 | Legorol | why would object:GetLeft() return nil when object:IsVisible() is true? |
| 03:03.48 | Legorol | can someone tell me how that's possible and what do i do about it? |
| 03:03.54 | kd3 | it's a moebius strip? |
| 03:04.26 | Legorol | meh, i'll fix this some other time |
| 03:04.57 | Dagmar | Someone should add mention of those poor dispossessed penguins who are now homeless because of the Argent Tournament |
| 03:05.09 | Dagmar | DEHTA will probably start protesting any day now |
| 03:05.11 | kd3 | they got moved |
| 03:05.19 | kd3 | they were floating for the first few ptr builds |
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| 03:05.52 | Dagmar | The real question is, will they still follow you when you hearth... |
| 03:06.17 | Dagmar | Take a fistful of those critter bites, collect a small swarm of penguins, hearth to Dalara... Instant crazy |
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| 03:08.45 | Hirsute | Can talent points be assigned programmatically? |
| 03:08.52 | Hirsute | Could an addon do it for you? |
| 03:09.20 | ajmitch | isn't that what talented does when you load up a template? |
| 03:09.52 | Hirsute | .... I'll have to look up talented. |
| 03:10.13 | mikma | enable the talent preview from interface -> display |
| 03:10.20 | mikma | then you can build specs ingame |
| 03:10.46 | mikma | oh nvm |
| 03:10.56 | mikma | see how blizz does it =) |
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| 03:13.58 | Aezay | wouldn't using a local inside a loop create a lot more garbage than making that local outside the loop? |
| 03:15.15 | Iriel | no, locals are just a stack location |
| 03:15.37 | Aezay | oh, nice to know |
| 03:15.46 | Iriel | creating a table inside a loop rather than creating one outside a loop and re-using it would generate a lot more garbage though |
| 03:15.57 | Aezay | I've always made them outside of a loop to avoid "creating" more locals |
| 03:16.03 | Iriel | so the theory is sound, it just applies to things that are 'objects' |
| 03:16.24 | Iriel | you could argue that your way is actually worse, for locals |
| 03:16.40 | Iriel | because lua can't re-use the location since it's still in scope |
| 03:16.51 | Iriel | though it might be smarter than that 8-) |
| 03:17.46 | Aezay | for i = 1, 9999999 do local cow = random() end vs local cow; for i = 1, 9999999 do cow = random() end |
| 03:17.52 | Aezay | that's what I mean |
| 03:20.05 | Dagmar | The code the loop is in will pass out of scope |
| 03:20.13 | Dagmar | Allocating a new variable on each pass is much worse |
| 03:20.14 | Shirik | as Iriel has already said, locals do not really "exist" |
| 03:20.17 | Shirik | they're just stack locations |
| 03:20.20 | Dagmar | 9999999 times worse in that case |
| 03:20.21 | Shirik | wrong Dagmar |
| 03:20.28 | Shirik | it's just a stack location |
| 03:20.29 | Shirik | that's it |
| 03:20.44 | Dagmar | It's memory that has to be allocated each time |
| 03:20.48 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 03:20.54 | Shirik | the memory is already allocated |
| 03:20.57 | Dagmar | I would be *really* shocked to see there's no time cost |
| 03:21.01 | Iriel | There's none |
| 03:21.18 | pnorman | aside from the time cost of cow=random() which you get in either case? |
| 03:21.20 | Shirik | In fact, the CALL opcode actually has to push it on the stack anyway |
| 03:21.21 | Iriel | The bytecode for those two will look essentially identical |
| 03:21.22 | Dagmar | THen lua is doing something sneaky there |
| 03:21.28 | Shirik | so evne if you were discarding it |
| 03:21.31 | Shirik | it would be identical |
| 03:21.43 | Shirik | the function will push it on the stack and then the CALL will remove it |
| 03:22.07 | Iriel | Probably the big difference will be the order of i and cow, in the list of local stack locations |
| 03:22.26 | |Jelly| | http://hdimage.org/images/14v0b6tnfzzjwxvcjp00_ocrnhot041509222145.jpg pvp servers are fun amirite? |
| 03:22.43 | Aezay | It's only because it's Lua then, most other languages will create a new variable |
| 03:22.53 | pnorman | |Jelly|: I think ours had more |
| 03:23.03 | kd3 | gasp... pvp on a pvp server? |
| 03:23.32 | Iriel | Aezay: It's worth understanding how any language works if you plan on using tis eriously 8-) |
| 03:23.46 | Dagmar | Yeah because oddly, most languages actually allocate a variable when you tell them to |
| 03:23.47 | Iriel | But if that was say, C++, there still wouldn't be a material difference |
| 03:23.54 | Aezay | exactly, reason I am asking :D |
| 03:23.59 | Hirsute | Now, this isn't the case for local *tables* though, is it? Creating a local table within a loop is very expensive, yes? |
| 03:24.01 | Shirik | Dagmar: As I have already mentioned, locals do not really exist |
| 03:24.04 | Iriel | Hirsute: right |
| 03:24.13 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.19 | Dagmar | THat would mean they're free and no allocation of memory is needed then |
| 03:24.25 | Iriel | No |
| 03:24.28 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/112366 |
| 03:24.52 | Iriel | The number of distinct memory locations required AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN TIME is what is important |
| 03:24.55 | Aezay | |Jelly|, good thing I am not on a pvp server >_> |
| 03:25.02 | mikma | |jelly|: lol u d-e-d, dead! |
| 03:25.04 | Iriel | the fact there are a million loop iterations is irrelevant |
| 03:25.08 | Shirik | take note in fact the option of moving the local outside of the loop actually ADDS an operation |
| 03:25.10 | Iriel | you can only get to the CURRENT value of cow |
| 03:25.12 | Shirik | as shown in that pastey |
| 03:25.15 | Hirsute | Oooh, that's exactly why I don't play on a PvP server |
| 03:25.26 | Shirik | the difference will be negligable |
| 03:25.26 | Dagmar | So basically, it ignores subsequent declarations of local variables when they've already been declared in that scope |
| 03:25.29 | Aezay | Shirik, thanks |
| 03:26.14 | Shirik | Dagmar: Ignoring the debug api, Lua doesn't really care what locals are named. They're just stack locations that are resolved by the compiler |
| 03:26.23 | Aezay | about those luac outputs, the number inside the brackets are? |
| 03:26.39 | Dagmar | It's not the names I question. |
| 03:27.02 | mikma | anyone got the official patchnotes -link? =) |
| 03:27.05 | Dagmar | If they're being created on the stack, doesn't that mean you get a pretty limited supply of them? |
| 03:27.34 | Shirik | lua> loadstring(("local a;"):rep(10000)) |
| 03:27.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "local a;local a;local a;local a;local a;local a;local a;local a..."]:1: main function has more than 200 local variables |
| 03:27.45 | Dagmar | OUch |
| 03:27.55 | Aezay | Lua has a different stack I think, which is also why a function can return many variables |
| 03:27.56 | Dagmar | I guess it makes a decent tradeoff tho |
| 03:28.23 | Shirik | you can easily split it up |
| 03:28.23 | Dagmar | Those do not follow |
| 03:28.44 | Shirik | upvalues are not stack elements, for example |
| 03:28.56 | Shirik | but if you need that many local variables, you probably have a problem |
| 03:29.08 | Dagmar | Either way, in general practice you wouldn't allocate new memory inside a loop |
| 03:29.14 | Dagmar | It would be bad for a lot of otehr languages |
| 03:29.19 | Hirsute | What the... the game also seems to randomly "forget" about talent points I've assigned, as well. |
| 03:29.20 | Shirik | but you're not allocating memory here |
| 03:29.30 | mikma | purn: patchnotes is <reply> http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ |
| 03:29.36 | mikma | gah |
| 03:29.40 | Shirik | Hirsute: People have been reporting some strange issues with talents |
| 03:29.40 | Hirsute | This is the third time I've logged in and had to reassign the last two talent points in my secondary spec. |
| 03:29.41 | Aezay | Shirik, about those luac outputs, the number in the brackets is what? |
| 03:29.43 | Dagmar | The computer's just going to remember those values out of goodwill then? |
| 03:29.44 | mikma | purl: patchnotes is <reply> http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ |
| 03:29.45 | purl | ...but patchnotes is already something else... |
| 03:29.53 | mikma | ok then |
| 03:29.54 | Shirik | Aezay, honestly I have no idea. Iriel might know. |
| 03:30.02 | Shirik | I could tell you what the other numbers are :) |
| 03:30.03 | Hirsute | ~patchnotes |
| 03:30.04 | purl | The latest patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ and the latest Test Realm patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 03:30.18 | Shirik | Dagmar: The stack is allocated already, just like every other language's stack |
| 03:30.28 | Shirik | no language I'm aware of allocates stack on-use |
| 03:30.40 | Dagmar | Other languages don't all stick their variables into the stack |
| 03:30.45 | Iriel | I'm not sure what the numbers in the brackets are, I'm usually paying attention to the stuff on the right |
| 03:30.46 | Shirik | actually, most do |
| 03:30.47 | Aezay | I've been coding in Lua for a long time, but when it comes to actually knowing the language, I feel I know nothing :/ |
| 03:30.54 | Iriel | Lua doesn't use the C stack, it uses heap for its 'stack' |
| 03:31.03 | Iriel | that is one important thing about it (and why coroutines work) |
| 03:31.13 | Iriel | (Well, it DOES use the C stack, internally) |
| 03:31.17 | Iriel | (just not for the lua stack) |
| 03:31.36 | Dagmar | Well, last I checked, perl and C both allocate memory when you create a new variable |
| 03:31.44 | Iriel | C doesn't |
| 03:31.46 | Shirik | C uses the stack for its local variables |
| 03:31.47 | pnorman | Iriel, might those numbers be the number of cycles for that opcode? |
| 03:31.52 | kneeki | Is max texture width still 512? |
| 03:32.05 | Shirik | pnorman: I really don't think "cycles" makes much sense in the context of Lua really |
| 03:32.11 | pnorman | or number of bytes |
| 03:32.17 | Shirik | bytes might make sense |
| 03:32.27 | Iriel | pnorman: I wondered if it was bytes but that doesn't seem to fit the opcodes, i'm looking it up |
| 03:32.54 | pnorman | they also don't match up between the two |
| 03:33.28 | Shirik | I mean, I should actually take that back. I don't think the C standard specifies that you use a stack for local variables. But every compiler I know or care about uses the stack, except probably some embedded compilers which I refuse to use anyway |
| 03:33.31 | Iriel | It might be stack depth at each point |
| 03:33.37 | Dagmar | Iriel: So C doesn't use memory to keep variables in |
| 03:33.41 | Iriel | Yes, in fact i'm sure it is |
| 03:33.46 | Iriel | Dagmar: locals, no, they're on the stack |
| 03:33.48 | Shirik | every IA32 C compiler uses stack space for its local variables |
| 03:33.51 | Iriel | Or in registers |
| 03:34.19 | Dagmar | OKay so this is a language problem |
| 03:34.36 | Dagmar | I kept saying "create variables" and you kept assuming I meant local variables |
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| 03:35.29 | Iriel | Well, what else could you mean, you're saying 'variables' and not 'objects' |
| 03:35.49 | Iriel | int x = 1; for (int i = 0; i < 1000000; ++i) { x = 7 } |
| 03:35.59 | Iriel | for (int i = 0; i < 1000000; ++i) { int x = 7 } |
| 03:36.06 | Iriel | There's 2 variables involved in each of those |
| 03:36.09 | Iriel | i and x |
| 03:36.19 | Dagmar | I could mean "variables" |
| 03:37.21 | Iriel | but the term is incredibly ambiguous |
| 03:37.29 | Iriel | It generally means 'thing that can be referred to by some name, from some scope' |
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| 03:37.51 | Iriel | It's only "interesting" this discussion from the local sense, right? |
| 03:38.02 | Shirik | int* a = malloc(sizeof(int)) |
| 03:38.05 | Shirik | a is still on the stack |
| 03:38.05 | Iriel | Perhaps you were trying to discuss something very different from the original example |
| 03:38.09 | Dagmar | From the question that was originally asked? No |
| 03:38.11 | Shirik | the memory pointed to by a is not on the stack |
| 03:38.13 | Iriel | In which case, I didn't cattch the diversion |
| 03:38.21 | Zootfizzle | ~lart Dagmar |
| 03:38.21 | purl | smacks Dagmar up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 03:38.30 | Iriel | C allocates memory when you declare a global (or local static) variable |
| 03:38.41 | Dagmar | Aezay appeared to me to be talking about the sloppy-ass thing you catch coders doing where they wind up allocating and deallocating memory in each pass through the loop |
| 03:38.41 | Iriel | (Hopefully I got my terminology right) |
| 03:39.14 | pnorman | Iriel: In that pasty, with the second one taking another instruction in the loop, why is that? |
| 03:39.16 | Dagmar | So, if you could stop trying to lecture me about the stack, I'd appreciate it |
| 03:39.41 | Iriel | If the language was say, C, and the value was an object type, not a pointer or base type, that could be the case, yes. |
| 03:39.43 | Shirik | I don't think C even allocates global memory at run-time. I'm pretty sure that's part of the executable. |
| 03:39.46 | Iriel | But the example was integers |
| 03:40.01 | Dagmar | It'll allocate memory |
| 03:40.22 | Iriel | I think the extra instruction is to make the value of bar visible outside of the loop |
| 03:40.31 | Iriel | It's smart enough to know it's not needed inside the loop |
| 03:40.32 | Shirik | Because that should be part of the .bss section |
| 03:40.39 | Iriel | But not smart enough to know it's not referenced outside |
| 03:40.46 | pnorman | Ya, I think it's just disgarding it in the second one |
| 03:40.53 | Iriel | It allocates memory when the object file is loaded, right? |
| 03:40.55 | Iriel | (C that is) |
| 03:40.56 | pnorman | so if you actually did something with it, they'd be equivalent |
| 03:41.00 | Dagmar | I suspect the problem here is that you guys learned from professors who were very happy to talk about the abstract, and some of us learned by writing assembly code so we're painfully aware of each little byte and whether or not we're wasting it |
| 03:41.18 | Dagmar | byte and clockcycle |
| 03:41.26 | Iriel | pnorman: No, if lua had a more thorough code flow analyzer they'd end up equivalent. |
| 03:41.45 | Iriel | Dagmar: I learned assembly on a computer I could logic trace with a scope, I'm pretty sure you're theorizing incorrectly. |
| 03:41.45 | Shirik | Dagmar: First off, I'm a computer engineer, and focus a lot on low-level systems, so I think that assumption is a very bad one to make. |
| 03:42.09 | Shirik | Secondly, and more importantly, I think the problem here is that you're trying to apply that knowledge to a language that does not follow the same mechanisms |
| 03:42.13 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm pretty sure everyone who makes generalizations is an idiot. |
| 03:42.18 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 03:42.34 | pnorman | iriel, if it had a sufficiently good analyzer it might realize that you're actually doing nothing at all really in either case |
| 03:42.35 | Dagmar | Iriel: I'm not theorizing |
| 03:42.48 | Iriel | Dagmar: "I suspect that" == theorizing |
| 03:42.50 | Dagmar | there's nothing theoretical about the expense of getting memory and freeing it |
| 03:43.00 | Iriel | You're theorizing abotu Shirik and I |
| 03:43.14 | Dagmar | So why didn't you pick up on what I was aiming at then |
| 03:43.15 | Iriel | Allocating and freeing DYNAMIC MEMORY is expensive, yes |
| 03:43.24 | Iriel | You want to avoid doing that repeatedly, I totally agree |
| 03:43.34 | Iriel | but the example given (which was very simple, and in lua) doesn't have that problem |
| 03:43.35 | Shirik | Because you made no indication (and I'm still not convinced) that you were talking about dynamic memory |
| 03:43.37 | Dagmar | So look back at Aezey's question again |
| 03:43.49 | Iriel | Which is why I mentioned tables as the alternative, right away at the start of the conversation |
| 03:43.53 | Dagmar | Might be because I don't *care* about dynamic memory |
| 03:43.56 | Iriel | since those DO have the problem you were getting at |
| 03:44.03 | Shirik | Aezay's question does not allocate any memory, as has already been stated |
| 03:44.08 | Dagmar | Managing that is the job of the high level language compiler and/or interpreter |
| 03:44.17 | Iriel | The terminilogy here... |
| 03:44.25 | Iriel | Dynamic memory === memory that is allocated and freed at runtime |
| 03:44.32 | Iriel | Static memory == memory that is allocated at object load time |
| 03:44.36 | Iriel | Stack == the stack |
| 03:45.22 | pnorman | Iriel: what is the best practice for when you've got a table that you're repeatedly referencing in a function called in a loop? |
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| 03:45.37 | Shirik | pnorman: Depends on whether you want speed or memory really |
| 03:45.44 | Iriel | pnorman: Assuming you stored the reference to it in a local variable, that's about it 8-) |
| 03:45.50 | Shirik | In general I tend to assume that the GC is better at freeing memory than me |
| 03:46.10 | Dagmar | Iriel: So, you can stop trying to lecture again |
| 03:46.24 | Dagmar | I'm perfectly aware of the difference between those things |
| 03:46.26 | Shirik | s/freeing/managing/ |
| 03:46.35 | Iriel | I agree with shirik to an extent, BUT, the GC doesn't know you want to just reuse a table of size X again and again and again, so re-using a work table can be MUCH better than making new ones |
| 03:46.42 | Shirik | right :) |
| 03:46.47 | Shirik | It really depends on the application |
| 03:46.51 | pnorman | Right now I've got, sec, getting pasty |
| 03:47.06 | Shirik | If the table is always going to have the same keys, I tend to reuse it, because I don't have to clean it out |
| 03:47.16 | Shirik | example: drop down menus in WoW |
| 03:47.27 | Iriel | Dagmar: Aezay: for i = 1, 9999999 do local cow = random() end vs local cow; for i = 1, 9999999 do cow = random() end |
| 03:47.36 | Iriel | That is his question. |
| 03:47.41 | Dagmar | Looks like an example to me |
| 03:47.45 | Iriel | (Well, it's the example that clarified the question) |
| 03:48.09 | pnorman | http://wowi.pastey.net/112368 |
| 03:48.09 | Shirik | Iriel, totally off-topic but |
| 03:48.11 | Iriel | Aezay: wouldn't using a local inside a loop create a lot more garbage than making that local outside the loop? |
| 03:48.13 | Iriel | The question was that |
| 03:48.17 | Iriel | notice the word 'local', twice. |
| 03:48.19 | Shirik | is "null.toString()" valid Java code? |
| 03:48.31 | Shirik | My compiler says no |
| 03:48.35 | Dagmar | "wouldn't using a local inside a loop create a lot more garbage than making that local outside the loop?" |
| 03:48.35 | Iriel | Shirik: I dont THINK so, no |
| 03:48.45 | Shirik | I tried decompiling some code I wrote just for the hell of it, and got this |
| 03:48.59 | Dagmar | Now, *that*'s a question. |
| 03:48.59 | Iriel | null isn't an object, even though you can assign it as a value to object references |
| 03:48.59 | Shirik | BigInteger localBigInteger145 = 0.0D.shiftLeft(1.0D); |
| 03:48.59 | Shirik | label7999: BigInteger localBigInteger146 = null.xor(6644); |
| 03:48.59 | Dagmar | Code, at best, can be considered an answer or a statement, but it's seldom a question |
| 03:49.02 | Shirik | And I stared at it like "... what the heck is this" |
| 03:49.11 | Iriel | I suspect that's your decompiler being a freak |
| 03:49.24 | Shirik | Yeah well I have to admit the code is very bad (intentionally) so I'm not surprised |
| 03:49.28 | Shirik | I was just curious if it was valid |
| 03:49.32 | Dagmar | That's Gentoo's -O99 at work |
| 03:50.12 | Iriel | The type of null is null, not Object. |
| 03:51.50 | mikma | # Horde characters may now obtain the quest "CLUCK!" from Chickens. While Farmer Saldean won't be selling Special Chicken Feed to the Horde, perhaps "Westfall" William Saldean in Brill might... |
| 03:52.35 | pnorman | So, what would be the best way to deal with a table like http://wowi.pastey.net/112368 ? |
| 03:52.55 | Iriel | pnorman: Put it in a file-scope local |
| 03:53.08 | Iriel | Unless you'll only ever call GetDKP once, ever |
| 03:53.14 | Iriel | In whcih case, still put it in a file scope local |
| 03:53.24 | Iriel | In fact |
| 03:53.32 | Iriel | Why dont you just initialize t_slotmod with that to start with? |
| 03:53.48 | pnorman | I'd have to check the source of that code |
| 03:54.00 | Iriel | I guess, taking a step back, it depends whether you'd ever nil (or false) out t_slotmod later. |
| 03:54.10 | Iriel | if you would, you should do |
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| 03:54.25 | Iriel | actually, it doesn't matter 8-) |
| 03:54.57 | Iriel | Because much as that code is horrible, short circuiting should avoic reating the table unelss it's needed |
| 03:55.25 | Iriel | (It's only horrible because there's essentially a data table nested inside a logic method, and that's a pain to maintain) |
| 03:55.57 | pnorman | it's method-specific though, there's another similar method that uses a different table |
| 03:56.03 | Iriel | That ends up essentially the same as if (not t_slotmod) then t_slotmod = { ... } end |
| 03:56.27 | Iriel | From a PERFORMANCE perspective, which is I think what you were after, it's going to be as good as you can get it |
| 03:57.24 | Iriel | now, if you'd done.... |
| 03:57.30 | Iriel | t_slotmod = { ...... } every time |
| 03:57.32 | Iriel | without the or |
| 03:57.37 | Iriel | then that'd be painful |
| 03:58.37 | pnorman | these are hooked into all item tooltips, so they get called fairly frequently |
| 04:01.21 | pnorman | I can't raid because ulduar has crashed. I can't go to WG because my main is stuck online, and I can't AH because it's down too |
| 04:02.24 | pnorman | I guess I might as well work on making sure my SavedVariables are working properly |
| 04:03.02 | Iriel | If you only used the tables as read-only data |
| 04:03.13 | Iriel | then i'd say initialize two locals up top and flip references when you need to |
| 04:03.29 | pnorman | there's some other logic differences between the two functions |
| 04:03.35 | Iriel | but if the code picks ONE table to use, ever, than just keeps referencing it (OR if it changes the contents over time), the way you have it is ideal |
| 04:04.37 | pnorman | two sets of code that are very similar each with its own table |
| 04:04.52 | Nuckin | you two are chatty tonight |
| 04:04.56 | Iriel | Is there a reason not to just initialize the table up front? |
| 04:05.06 | pnorman | I've moved it up to the file scope |
| 04:05.08 | Iriel | (And skip the whole 'or' test each time) ? |
| 04:05.20 | Dagmar | Let's try this another way, so you'll see the thing *I* was worrying about |
| 04:05.37 | Dagmar | ...and I'll just flat out say it. |
| 04:05.42 | Dagmar | Do that same thing in perl. |
| 04:06.01 | Dagmar | Make a loop, and declare a locally scoped variable inside that loop. |
| 04:06.21 | Dagmar | It will BURN clockcycles as opposed to declaring the thing once outside the loop. |
| 04:06.28 | Dagmar | Not all languages handle this stuff hte same way |
| 04:07.06 | Aezay | Dagmar, did anyone say all languages did? |
| 04:07.12 | tekkub | "Make it super simple standalone *not JAVA* for all OS like wowmatrix" |
| 04:07.14 | tekkub | you know.. |
| 04:07.25 | Iriel | tekkub: I rolled my eyes at that |
| 04:07.26 | tekkub | I want to tell him WM *is* java just to fuck with him |
| 04:07.34 | Aezay | My confusion came because I was unsure how Lua worked compared to other languages |
| 04:07.36 | Thunder_Child | DO EET |
| 04:07.47 | Dagmar | Aezay: I guessed that from the way you phrased your question |
| 04:08.02 | Dagmar | Heck it's part of the stuff I'm learning about lua at hte moment actually |
| 04:08.25 | Iriel | Dagmar: right, perl's a lot more of a 'do what I say' language |
| 04:08.49 | pnorman | My problems aren't with Lua, they're understanding the APIs |
| 04:08.51 | Iriel | I'm sure there are many other languages where EVERYTHING goes into dynamic memory |
| 04:08.57 | Dagmar | Well, it's more a "don't do what I didn't say to" thing but half-dozen and six and all that |
| 04:09.02 | Iriel | in the sense that declare variable == allocate heap |
| 04:09.32 | Dagmar | Those of us who started coding before we really had heap and stack look at things a bit differently. |
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| 04:09.44 | Dagmar | We worry about things like how much stack and heap space can I get away with using before it melts |
| 04:09.55 | Iriel | Who are you excluding with 'those of us' ? |
| 04:10.10 | Dagmar | Beyond that we look at memory like a big bunch of little boxes, some of which might be slower to access depending on "where" they are |
| 04:10.30 | Iriel | I'm not sure you mean to, but you keep coming across like you're some kind of superior being with some kind of experience none of the rest of us have. |
| 04:10.49 | Dagmar | You're trying to tie experience in with some superiority thing |
| 04:10.53 | Dagmar | I don't. |
| 04:11.06 | NightHawkTheSane | he's just naturally superior ;) |
| 04:11.11 | Dagmar | I just know I've been doing this for a long, long time, on more platforms than I can remember (or admit to in a court of law) |
| 04:11.11 | Iriel | You said "Those of us... " and "We..." like nobody else here might be the same way |
| 04:11.26 | Dagmar | Nope.. |
| 04:11.35 | Iriel | Like I said, i'm not sure you MEAN TO |
| 04:11.37 | Iriel | But you ARE |
| 04:11.44 | Dagmar | No, you've decided to infer that |
| 04:11.46 | Iriel | I'm trying to help explain why you make some of us defensive and annoyed |
| 04:11.51 | Dagmar | Maybe other people you've dealt with did |
| 04:12.02 | NightHawkTheSane | its not just him who's taking your meaning that way |
| 04:12.11 | Dagmar | Can't be helped |
| 04:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | sure it can |
| 04:12.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you just don't choose to |
| 04:12.30 | Dagmar | Well, I could of course spend all day worrying about making sure no one on the internet could mistake my meaning |
| 04:12.38 | Dagmar | ...but I'd rather just get things done. |
| 04:12.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you seem to spend more time making sarcastic remarks to honest inquiries |
| 04:13.11 | Iriel | As for the general sentiment, I have a really hard time working with developers who've never read assembly, who have no concept of the engineering inside a computer, who think all memory is created equal and think nothing of disk versus ram versus cache. I think the grounding in the systems before such things were available (when 16 K was a lot of memory) is really valuable. |
| 04:13.14 | Dagmar | Well, I certainly seem to be getting accused of a lot of stuff |
| 04:13.29 | NightHawkTheSane | but hey, if you really do have more important things to do than to people here and be understood properly, please go do them. |
| 04:13.34 | Shirik | Iriel: Hard drive is fastest, yes? |
| 04:13.39 | Shirik | I mean, 7200 rpm |
| 04:13.43 | Shirik | my ram does not move at 7200 rpm |
| 04:13.47 | pnorman | network is faster then hard drive! |
| 04:13.55 | Mr_Rabies | my ram runs at 7200rpm |
| 04:13.57 | Dagmar | I had a college professor once who actually said "Pretend that memory and disk is infinite" |
| 04:14.02 | Mr_Rabies | i spin my computer around |
| 04:14.09 | Thunder_Child | "who think all memory is created equal" jeferson of the 22nd century |
| 04:14.09 | NightHawkTheSane | s/than to/than talk to/ |
| 04:14.17 | Dagmar | I switched instructors. |
| 04:14.20 | Iriel | Dagmar: that's not necessarily a bad statement, it just depends on the context |
| 04:14.28 | Aezay | Iriel, I finally figured out what those numbers in the brackets are on luac -l dumps, it's the line numbers in the lua file... |
| 04:14.31 | Dagmar | It's not something I'd ever tell first semester students |
| 04:14.35 | Dagmar | Never, ever. |
| 04:14.46 | Iriel | Well yes, that context isn't good 8-) |
| 04:15.30 | Iriel | Aezay: That works too 8-) I couldnt' actually find any documentation that explained it 8-) |
| 04:16.01 | Iriel | My previous guess fails on the return statement, too 8-) |
| 04:16.03 | Aezay | me neither, but I finally figured it out, and it's quite silly how long it actually took me to see the pattern |
| 04:17.28 | Iriel | Dagmar: One thing I came to terms with, though, is that it's frequently a mistake to try and directly tie the concepts in a high level language with low level constructs, because many languages are designed to allow compilers to heavily optimize HOW code is manifested at the low level, and the compiler writers are frequently MUCH smarter than I am. |
| 04:17.31 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: By the way, that wasn't sarcasm |
| 04:18.10 | Dagmar | You can call this elitist if you like, but idgaf... Be on the internet long enough and you just *quit* worrying about the edge cases of who's going to take offense at some random thing said in earnest |
| 04:19.11 | Dagmar | ...because the larger the audience gets, the chance that someone out there is going to be offended by something you said asymptotically approaches 100% |
| 04:19.20 | Iriel | Yes, but the point of COMMUNICATION isn't to say something the way you want to, but it's to get the other person to understand what you meant (and that includes attitude as well as content) |
| 04:19.58 | Dagmar | One literally *can* spend all day sanitizing a one-paragraph statement, instead of getting something useful accomplished |
| 04:20.15 | Iriel | Right, and one can also spend 30 seconds and not offend everyone who they're taking to |
| 04:20.31 | Iriel | I realize you dont see it that way |
| 04:20.51 | Iriel | but I also feel I have to try and at least help future discussions be less.. contentious. |
| 04:20.56 | Dagmar | This is true. |
| 04:21.01 | Dagmar | I stopped caring a LONG time ago |
| 04:21.17 | Dagmar | I expect that if someone's pissed off, they'll say something, and then I can clarify |
| 04:21.58 | Dagmar | Bayond that I generally ignore if other people seem to be twitting about unless the evidence becomes utterly overwhelming |
| 04:22.08 | batrick | I'm annoyed you ride people's ass when they're trying to help others. |
| 04:22.23 | bleeter | i'm annoyed I have no lamingtons |
| 04:22.27 | Dagmar | Whose ass was I riding and how exactly was I riding it? |
| 04:22.36 | bleeter | OR timtams, ffs |
| 04:22.53 | Dagmar | bleeter: No girl sprouts in your neighborhood? |
| 04:23.00 | bleeter | wut? |
| 04:23.09 | Dagmar | I am assuming you're talking about some kind of cookies |
| 04:23.11 | batrick | You got on Iriel's case about how he chose to answer someone's question. |
| 04:23.17 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 04:23.33 | Dagmar | I was actually trying to figure out his answer becuase it didn't make sense |
| 04:23.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: I see it this way, i no longer have the responsibility to be remotely civil to him. :) |
| 04:23.54 | Dagmar | I figured there was some detail missing, so I probed about |
| 04:24.10 | batrick | and you chose to take on a condescending tone when addressing him about it |
| 04:24.15 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 04:24.44 | bleeter | Dagmar: ... some kind of cookie ... |
| 04:24.48 | bleeter | facepalms |
| 04:24.56 | Dagmar | bleeter: So wtf are timtams and lamingtons? |
| 04:25.05 | Dagmar | They really sound like the Girl Scout cookie names |
| 04:25.34 | VonhintenHOME` | Did they change something with macros? #showtooltip Mangle (Bear) and /cast Mangle (Bear) don't work |
| 04:25.46 | VonhintenHOME` | forcing me to do #showtooltip Mangle (Bear)(Rank 2) |
| 04:26.21 | Dagmar | Hmm... Google sez I'm not far off in that deduction |
| 04:26.22 | pnorman | I believe that might be something specific to abilities with () in their name |
| 04:26.32 | bleeter | try 'Mangle (Bear)()' or sumfin |
| 04:27.07 | bleeter | Dagmar: that's like saying Uluru's a pebble |
| 04:27.22 | VonhintenHOME` | bleeter, yeah, that worked |
| 04:27.38 | bleeter | small stone that may, or may not, float... dependng on whether she's a witch of course |
| 04:27.50 | pnorman | I think Mangle (Bear) by itself is parsed as attempting to cast rank Bear of Mangle |
| 04:28.19 | Dagmar | bleeter: So clearly you take your snacky-cakes very seriously. |
| 04:28.29 | bleeter | yar they fixed 'faerie fire - feral' but didn't do 'mangle - bear' or '- cat' to remove brackets |
| 04:28.34 | bleeter | iirc |
| 04:28.52 | geargrind | there should be a pokemon named Calfeen |
| 04:29.01 | bleeter | Dagmar: you don't? |
| 04:29.14 | DWSR | Anyone in here a lock that's a theorycrafting buff as well? |
| 04:29.25 | Aezay | Iriel, you were right, I was actually doing things much worse by putting the locals outside, just tested with some more complicated code, locals outside vs inside, went from 80 instructions to 55 |
| 04:29.29 | Dagmar | bleeter: Honestly, when the little dears come to my door I say "MM.... cookies.... yummm... How much will $40 get me?" |
| 04:29.52 | Dagmar | bleeter: Eventually some brightly colored boxes show up with individually-wrapped things inside, and I eat them. |
| 04:30.05 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: I think they actually "broke" mangle in 3.1, moving from "mangle - cat()" to "mangle (cat)()" >< |
| 04:30.17 | Dagmar | Unless you have a food allergy, most of these things can be assumed to be tasty, so what they're named doesn't really matter to me |
| 04:30.26 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: heh fair nuff... bottom line is it's still all broken ;) |
| 04:30.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i noticed my mangle macros were busted when i logged in |
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| 04:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: yeah, it's a fucking moronic change, i have no idea why they did it :P |
| 04:30.43 | Dagmar | i.e., "No one makes candy that tastes like crap, except the Canadians" |
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| 04:30.59 | pnorman | All this talk of cookies makes me hungry, so unless someone has some cookies to DCC to me, afk |
| 04:31.16 | bleeter | pnorman: you really want timtams |
| 04:31.24 | DWSR | dccs cookies to pnorman. |
| 04:31.28 | bleeter | with a side serv of lamington and tea or/coffee |
| 04:31.34 | Dagmar | There's also that if I don't know what they're called I'm less likely to go "OMG SPARKLEPUFFS!" in the grocers and buy boxes there |
| 04:31.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: You've never had a Timbit, obviously. |
| 04:31.46 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, tdo timtams have chocolate? |
| 04:31.46 | Dagmar | Never even heard of them before |
| 04:31.51 | Thunder_Child | s/tdo/do/ |
| 04:32.05 | DWSR | Dagmar: Think the middle part of every good kind of donut. |
| 04:32.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: You have timbits. |
| 04:32.18 | Dagmar | Puffs of air? |
| 04:32.25 | bleeter | Wobin: 14:31 < purl> Thunder_Child meant: bleeter, do timtams have chocolate? |
| 04:32.27 | DWSR | facepalm. |
| 04:32.28 | bleeter | Wobin: lolol |
| 04:32.44 | Dagmar | Wobin: What Wikipedia tells me about thsoe is that bleeter likes chocolate |
| 04:32.55 | Thunder_Child | chocolate is fail, massive fail |
| 04:33.01 | DWSR | BLASPHEMY |
| 04:33.05 | DWSR | YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW |
| 04:33.15 | Thunder_Child | you are correct, i am sorry |
| 04:33.21 | Thunder_Child | chocolate is worse than fail |
| 04:33.30 | bleeter | Dagmar: like a good li'l netizen you read far too much into wikipedia |
| 04:33.32 | Dagmar | DWSR: I'm a bit spoiled when it comes to donuts. I used to live a block away from a Krisy-Kreme bakery |
| 04:33.47 | Dagmar | bleeter: WP's pic looked like there was a lot of chocolate involved |
| 04:34.01 | Thunder_Child | krispy kreme is fail as well |
| 04:34.13 | Dagmar | There's hippies that would probably try to skin you for saying that |
| 04:34.25 | Dagmar | My apt was *very* popular with my hippie freidns |
| 04:34.30 | Thunder_Child | though kosher for no reason |
| 04:34.39 | bleeter | Dagmar: oh, i do not dislike chocolate, that is correct |
| 04:34.50 | Dagmar | One block away from doughnuts less than five minutes old |
| 04:35.20 | bleeter | 10km's away from 1/2prix cartons of cadbury chocolates |
| 04:35.22 | bleeter | price |
| 04:35.23 | Dagmar | "A Tim Tam is composed of two layers of chocolate malted biscuit" ... "Lamingtons are a sponge cake (or, more traditionally, butter cake) in the shape of a cube, coated in a layer of traditionally chocolate" |
| 04:35.27 | VonhintenHOME` | timtams are awesome |
| 04:35.28 | Dagmar | *drool* |
| 04:35.34 | bleeter | VonhintenHOME`++ |
| 04:35.46 | Diao | gah |
| 04:35.47 | Thunder_Child | someone forgot ~ |
| 04:35.52 | bleeter | ~VonhintenHOME`++ |
| 04:35.52 | Dagmar | bleeter: I already made my run on "assorted egg-shaped chocolates" this week |
| 04:35.56 | Diao | xloot master broke D: |
| 04:36.10 | bleeter | breaks Diao |
| 04:36.11 | Dagmar | The manufacturers weren't trying as hard this year. Late year I must have had 20 different kinds |
| 04:36.19 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5213881/laptop-kills-woman |
| 04:36.37 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: So long as they don't start doing it serially |
| 04:37.01 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 04:37.12 | Thunder_Child | puns are the devils work! |
| 04:37.13 | Dagmar | Man I should print that article on little 3x5 cards for when my friends mock me for belting my laptop bag in the seat |
| 04:37.33 | Dagmar | ONE rollover in a VW beetle and you stop just throwing things intohe car |
| 04:38.24 | Dagmar | You know those little toys little kids push around that have the plastic dome filled with colored balls that get knocked around? |
| 04:38.29 | Dagmar | It was like being inside one of those |
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| 04:51.28 | AbsolutRayne | Yawns |
| 04:54.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. Any hunters here have a good grinding spec for tenacity pets? |
| 04:58.36 | Wobin | kill stuff before it hits you? |
| 04:58.40 | AbsolutRayne | I love the Voiceover for XT-002 |
| 04:58.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ... while good advice, that's not really what i asked for :) |
| 04:59.47 | Wobin | well... |
| 04:59.53 | Wobin | I've been levelling SV |
| 05:00.02 | Wobin | and I have no hope of my pet keeping aggro =) |
| 05:00.11 | Wobin | unless I wait til it's already half dead |
| 05:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
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| 05:09.13 | Trela | Computer runs faster when I more than one gigabyte free on the hard drive. |
| 05:11.38 | tekkub | imagine that! |
| 05:13.44 | Trela | Yeah, well, I have two 1tb hard drives showing up by the end of the week, 6gbs of RAM to get my total to 8gbs, and an ATI 4870. :3 |
| 05:14.23 | DWSR | anyone else here use tomtom? |
| 05:16.06 | kd3 | hm... wowmatrix got updates for DBM/QH |
| 05:16.10 | kd3 | according to a guildy |
| 05:16.20 | tekkub | DWSR: no |
| 05:17.00 | tekkub | kd3: I wouldn't be surprised if Zorba put QH on WM's hosting |
| 05:17.12 | tekkub | he seems to be all about helping users |
| 05:17.19 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't, but they're legally allowed to and I couldn't stop them anyway |
| 05:17.29 | ZorbaTHut | I'd have to think about it if I actually had a decision to make |
| 05:17.31 | tekkub | GPL bites you in the ass? |
| 05:17.46 | ZorbaTHut | LGPL, and I wouldn't really call it biting me in the ass, just making my choice for me ;) |
| 05:18.06 | ZorbaTHut | although I'm uploading it to wowui also, they may just be pulling it from there |
| 05:18.09 | tekkub | well, it would be biting if you didn't want it on there |
| 05:18.24 | ZorbaTHut | It would. I don't think I really feel strongly one way or the other. It's kind of ambiguous. |
| 05:18.53 | ZorbaTHut | I think they're a bunch of dicks, but the world needs dicks, and let's face it, nobody else currently provides what they do (namely, provide a unified updater for everything) |
| 05:19.00 | DWSR | If I'm having problems with Ace mods (i.e. config's aren't working), will installing Ace seperately fix it? |
| 05:21.46 | pnorman | I still need to decide on a lisence for my addon, right now it's all rights reserved |
| 05:22.04 | tekkub | all rights reversed works fine |
| 05:22.19 | ZorbaTHut | pnorman, leave it that way until you decide otherwise, IMHO, and understand the various licenses very, very well before you choose. |
| 05:22.33 | pnorman | With the exception of the Ace3 libraries, which are under their custom license. |
| 05:22.41 | ZorbaTHut | you can always put a little thing saying "all rights reserved, but if you want to do something with it, drop me a line and I might open-source it" |
| 05:22.54 | tekkub | or you could just do what I do |
| 05:22.55 | ZorbaTHut | and then just not worry about it until someone besides you cares. :) |
| 05:23.22 | pnorman | Actually, going GPL would be an issue, it'd have to be GPL + an openssl style exemption clause for ace3 |
| 05:23.31 | tekkub | let people do whatever the hell they want till they piss you off, then invoke your right to tell them to stop ^^ |
| 05:23.45 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, it's worth mentioning that some people won't even start down that path if it looks closed |
| 05:24.01 | tekkub | I've still yet to be convinced that any license is good |
| 05:24.13 | tekkub | ZorbaTHut: maybe that's good? |
| 05:24.30 | tekkub | I don't want people that are all afraid of licensing to be in my code |
| 05:24.34 | tekkub | or using my stuff |
| 05:24.40 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, well, if you would have BSD'ed it, it's bad. There's a few cases where I ended up duplicating code because I didn't want to risk legal issues. |
| 05:25.11 | tekkub | my point exactly |
| 05:25.12 | pnorman | Actually, that reminds me, there was one file I wanted to make public domain |
| 05:25.20 | tekkub | those that fear legal issues with wow addons.. |
| 05:25.24 | tekkub | yea.. |
| 05:25.55 | ZorbaTHut | pnorman, it's unclear if you even can make something "public domain" - put the libpng/zlib license or the BSD or the MIT license on it |
| 05:27.47 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: you wouldnt have to add any exemption to your addons library just because you use ace3 |
| 05:28.35 | pnorman | arrowmaster, I can't mix GPL2 code and Ace3 - Ace3 has additional restrictions on it |
| 05:28.50 | pnorman | Now, I could release it as straight GPL2, but no one else could modify it and distribute it |
| 05:29.22 | Arrowmaster | its covered by some external library clause in gpl2 i think |
| 05:29.32 | Arrowmaster | thats commonly used with java stuff i think |
| 05:30.23 | Arrowmaster | there was a forum thread about it on wowace many many years ago |
| 05:30.30 | Arrowmaster | but i dont even know if it still exists |
| 05:30.49 | ZorbaTHut | huh, ace3 really isn't gpl-compatible |
| 05:31.00 | pnorman | "Redistribution of a stand alone version is strictly prohibited..." |
| 05:32.46 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: you could probably change the license of QH v1.0 without any trouble |
| 05:33.10 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, I can change it in certain ways. Some files are under LGPL v2, and I can't change that without completely rewriting them. |
| 05:33.23 | Arrowmaster | not true |
| 05:33.26 | ZorbaTHut | However, LGPL allows me to choose a license for the other files as I see fit. |
| 05:33.27 | pnorman | Did you write them in the first place? |
| 05:33.31 | ZorbaTHut | pnorman, no, I didn't |
| 05:33.38 | Arrowmaster | but you know who did |
| 05:34.00 | ZorbaTHut | true, and I've asked him before about licensing, and he wasn't interested in discussing any changes :) |
| 05:34.31 | Arrowmaster | and actually as long as just one part of the addon isnt opensource it protects it from being mirrored |
| 05:35.21 | ZorbaTHut | True. Depending on how much I actually cared to stop it, of course. |
| 05:36.11 | Arrowmaster | like technically Ace3 could be under pure BSD license but the Ace3.toc and Ace3.lua (which just does simple stuff like alias /rl to reloadui) under a non opensource license to achieve the same effect as its current license |
| 05:36.34 | Arrowmaster | although then the dicks could just not include Ace3.lua and make their own Ace3.toc |
| 05:36.39 | ZorbaTHut | although then you'd have the situation where someone could just rewrite those two files :) |
| 05:36.52 | ZorbaTHut | if you want to pull a trick like that, the closed-source files had better be important ones ;) |
| 05:37.21 | pnorman | Arrowmaster: All of Ace3 appears to be covered by LICENSE.txt |
| 05:37.27 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 05:37.39 | Arrowmaster | that was just a theroitically example |
| 05:37.42 | Syzgyn | So Ignis sucks |
| 05:37.43 | pnorman | ah |
| 05:38.17 | pnorman | I should file a ticket on Ace3 - their license needs updating, it's still only 2007 on the copyright dates |
| 05:38.49 | Arrowmaster | that additonal part of the license is just so nobody else distrubutes an addon named Ace3 with those files in it |
| 05:39.09 | pnorman | Ya, but still makes it GPL incompatable |
| 05:39.27 | tekkub | that's half the point I think |
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| 05:40.07 | Arrowmaster | it sucks that we have to do it but theres so many skum out there that will mirror anything wow addon related just to get more traffic to their sites from search engines so they get more ad views |
| 05:40.11 | tekkub | tell it to Kaelten and he'll just blow you off :) |
| 05:40.54 | Arrowmaster | and users are too stupid to look at the files to find the official source |
| 05:41.30 | Arrowmaster | even if you make it the first line of a file named README.txt |
| 05:41.31 | Trela | stomach grumbles. |
| 05:42.02 | DWSR | How do you queue for a battleground now |
| 05:42.06 | pnorman | PVP pane |
| 05:42.21 | DWSR | oh, hot sauce./ |
| 05:42.24 | tekkub | DWSR: they removed queues |
| 05:42.32 | tekkub | you have to go to the actual BG portal |
| 05:42.34 | DWSR | tekkub: Lies, they just changed how you queue. |
| 05:43.03 | tekkub | maybe, I like telling people that didn't read the patch notes all sorts of shit |
| 05:43.21 | DWSR | I did read them, still didn't know where to queue from |
| 05:43.22 | tekkub | half my guild thinks QH is part of the game now and that theirs are all broken |
| 05:43.38 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, the funny thing is that a lot of people also seem to think that QH is the game |
| 05:43.41 | Arrowmaster | why are you in that guild? |
| 05:43.42 | tekkub | one guy said "I hear QH is in the game now, how do I turn it os" |
| 05:43.45 | tekkub | *on |
| 05:43.54 | tekkub | I just said "it's always on" |
| 05:44.01 | tekkub | and they fucking ran with it, it's great |
| 05:44.04 | ZorbaTHut | I'm getting people reporting cartographer errors to me. Like, "Cartographer broke, here's the error message (error message with absolutely no QH in it whatsoever)" |
| 05:44.05 | DWSR | rofl |
| 05:44.33 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: more reasons to cut back on development time |
| 05:44.47 | tekkub | ZorbaTHut: I'm getting a metric asstonne of TomTom and old-TourGuide reports |
| 05:44.55 | tekkub | I just delete them anymore |
| 05:45.06 | Ackis | tekkub: fix TG pls :P |
| 05:45.08 | Ackis | hehehhehehehhehe |
| 05:45.39 | ZorbaTHut | I'm also a big fan of "it broke, when will you fix it" |
| 05:47.18 | tekkub | oh wait, I have a good one of those... |
| 05:47.30 | Arrowmaster | im running my mass svn update script that i havent run in months |
| 05:47.34 | Arrowmaster | this should be fun |
| 05:47.40 | tekkub | http://groups.google.com/group/tekkub-wow/browse_thread/thread/95615e537f350ed7 |
| 05:47.43 | tekkub | no reply |
| 05:49.02 | ZorbaTHut | yeah tekkub, why haven't you fixed it yet >:( |
| 05:49.13 | Ackis | hmm i have an evga rma, how do I know what video card they're sending back? will it be the same one, or something "newer"? |
| 05:49.53 | tekkub | Ackis: it's whatever they pulled out of "the box" |
| 05:50.30 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, it should be the same, if nothing of the same lvl exists it will be the next one higher |
| 05:50.40 | Thunder_Child | (or at least thats how it should go in theory) |
| 05:50.41 | Ackis | tekkub: so a random chance for something newer then eh? performance wise I think the 8800 ultra == x265 |
| 05:51.02 | tekkub | or it might just be a mitten |
| 05:51.11 | tekkub | you never know what you'll get! |
| 05:51.37 | Ackis | ohhh i hope it's a kitten |
| 05:51.45 | Trela | KITTEN! |
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| 05:52.11 | tekkub | by the time you actually get it, the kitten would be dead |
| 05:52.17 | tekkub | you know how retruns are |
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| 05:52.32 | Ackis | it's already shipped back to me actually |
| 05:52.51 | Ackis | Estimated delivery |
| 05:52.52 | Ackis | Apr 17, 2009 by 5:00 PM |
| 05:53.31 | Thunder_Child | maybe, maybe not tekkub, schrodinger cat. |
| 05:53.37 | Thunder_Child | +'s |
| 05:53.56 | tekkub | schrodinger's KITTEN |
| 05:54.01 | End | MEW |
| 05:54.09 | tekkub | will it be cute, or will it maul you? |
| 05:54.22 | pnorman | reminds me, where is my new lab PS |
| 05:54.53 | Trela | Are you getting cool computer parts too, Ackis? :O |
| 05:55.10 | Trela | Instead of cute cuddly kittens? ;-; |
| 05:55.27 | Ackis | just a replacement video card |
| 05:55.36 | Ackis | which I'll end up shelving prolly |
| 05:56.07 | Arrowmaster | i have told you the story about the video card i have that i dont know where the fuck it came from |
| 05:56.15 | Ackis | nope |
| 05:56.21 | Arrowmaster | its a funny story |
| 05:56.21 | Ackis | I got something sent to me from ebay that I didn't order |
| 05:56.46 | Arrowmaster | well this one is in one of my computers and i dont know where the fuck it came from |
| 05:56.53 | Arrowmaster | i found it there |
| 05:57.44 | Ackis | lol |
| 05:58.03 | Arrowmaster | this computer originally came with a TNT2 card but i replaced it with a cheap geforce 5200 and put the TNT2 in the box the geforce 5200 was in |
| 05:59.14 | Arrowmaster | the powersupply was failing on the computer after a while and i wanted to swap to a lower power card to see if that would help since i wasnt 100% sure it was the power supply at the time |
| 05:59.38 | Arrowmaster | i found the geforce 5200 back in its box and a geforce 6200 in the computer and i have no fucking clue where the TNT2 is |
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| 06:00.29 | Ackis | it morphed into a 6200? |
| 06:01.02 | Arrowmaster | over time i had swaped the TNT2 and the 5200 back and forth a few times |
| 06:01.23 | Arrowmaster | like i put the TNT2 back into the shitty HP and was using the 5200 in this computer before i got an X800XTPE |
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| 06:02.05 | Arrowmaster | but i still dont remember buying a 6200 and dont know how i got it |
| 06:03.36 | Trela | XTPE? Extreme Toilet Paper Edition? |
| 06:04.56 | Arrowmaster | XT platnium edition |
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| 06:10.29 | tekkub | extra tight pants edition |
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| 06:16.04 | Arrowmaster | http://fukung.net/v/5931/1183918277338.gif |
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| 06:36.45 | Thunder_Child | meeps |
| 06:44.08 | Syzgyn | Anyone gotten to Auriaya yet? |
| 06:45.37 | Moleculor | Ulduar was down for us all day. Fucking Blizzard. :| |
| 06:45.42 | Syzgyn | :\ |
| 06:46.18 | Moleculor | Also, BugSack's Worms Armageddon sound was making me think I was going crazy. |
| 06:46.26 | Moleculor | Didn't realize it was one of my addons for a while. |
| 06:46.43 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 06:47.38 | ZorbaTHut | naxx crashed five seconds into Loatheb for us, my main was inaccessible for hours |
| 06:47.51 | ZorbaTHut | we were hoping to do a one-day clear, but noooope |
| 06:48.37 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: same thing happened to me yesterday |
| 06:48.55 | msou| | and I was in RFD couldn't access my char |
| 06:49.11 | Corrodias | TAKE THAT SUCKER |
| 06:50.10 | End | yeah, I don't think anyone is gonna be doing any instances on my server unless someone restarts it or unclogs it or whatever |
| 06:50.40 | msou| | she didn't want to come to my server, I asked her too :/ |
| 06:50.47 | msou| | we play on kazzak full server |
| 06:50.53 | tekkub | I love when my own feature in an unreleased addon bites my own ass |
| 06:51.08 | tekkub | someone just made ~800g off mispriced Snowfall INk |
| 06:51.10 | tekkub | >< |
| 06:51.25 | tekkub | at least I'm raping the AH good, so I don't really miss it |
| 06:51.26 | End | lol |
| 06:51.59 | msou| | you see, I wasn't aware of auctioneer |
| 06:52.01 | Corrodias | aw. good luck, anyway. |
| 06:52.09 | msou| | if I knew about auctioneer I'd be bling bling by now |
| 06:52.11 | End | I deal in gems, but it's going not going to be any better for me until people can actually do ulduar |
| 06:52.36 | msou| | now I have 400G, I think I've got it a week earlier or a bit more than that |
| 06:52.43 | ZorbaTHut | I do disenchanting, myself |
| 06:52.48 | msou| | and 400G is peanuts to you guys I am sure |
| 06:52.52 | ZorbaTHut | I have watched many a youtube video while clicking the "disenchant" button repeatedly |
| 06:53.02 | End | I do that a little with my alt |
| 06:53.07 | msou| | what's disenchanting by the way? :) |
| 06:53.30 | End | I have disenchant <insert JC ring> macro'd as a button basically |
| 06:53.43 | ZorbaTHut | msou, buy cheap greens and blues, disenchant with a character that has a high Enchanting skill, resell the dust/essences/shards on the AH |
| 06:53.44 | End | it's how you get enchanting materials |
| 06:53.52 | ZorbaTHut | people buy them and use them to enchant things |
| 06:54.01 | msou| | ah |
| 06:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | it's nice because *everyone* farms a little bit of stuff that I use, and it's just not worth their time to think about how much it's worth |
| 06:54.27 | End | I DE all the greens I get |
| 06:54.29 | ZorbaTHut | so they put it up for cheap, I buy it, then sell the materials right back to them at a markup :D |
| 06:54.32 | msou| | I hade that leather boots colored blue some lynx priced it as 150G.. a guy messaged me wanting it for 50G |
| 06:54.45 | End | well, blues are better to sell as is |
| 06:54.49 | ZorbaTHut | some are, some aren't |
| 06:54.53 | End | most are |
| 06:54.55 | msou| | I'd sell it what ac suggests me.. a bit less to get it done wit h |
| 06:54.57 | ZorbaTHut | most northrend BoE blues I just disenchant |
| 06:55.02 | End | really? |
| 06:55.04 | End | well |
| 06:55.10 | End | I guess some are pretty hard to sell |
| 06:55.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they sell but it's not worth the hassle |
| 06:55.12 | End | yeah |
| 06:55.17 | End | I can see your point :P |
| 06:55.26 | ZorbaTHut | and I'll spend three times as long, and six times the AH fees, to make maybe 50% more. ain't worth it :P |
| 06:55.32 | msou| | I should message him and take that 50G... don't like to have things |
| 06:56.07 | msou| | you know the first time I played and met a friend of my friend he gave me 50G I was like goodness gracious 50G just like that |
| 06:56.39 | msou| | later on I knew it's like buying a tortilla with 50G in WoW |
| 06:57.03 | msou| | or peanuts... especially when you have plate armor repairing 'em costs 5G :/ |
| 06:57.28 | End | yeah, I sent a friend 4 16 slot bags and 20g, and he was like holy shit |
| 06:57.37 | End | (this was in TBC) |
| 06:57.44 | Moleculor | ... Our AH went down. |
| 06:57.50 | End | really |
| 06:57.52 | msou| | hahah |
| 06:57.53 | Moleculor | At the same times our instances di. |
| 06:57.54 | Moleculor | d |
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| 06:58.13 | End | our instances have been down for hours :P |
| 06:58.14 | msou| | I just needed the bags,, I was pleased with 8 slots later on I noticed 8 slots os nothing |
| 06:58.22 | msou| | now I have the 16 slots and still nothing |
| 06:59.05 | Moleculor | BAGS! |
| 06:59.08 | tekkub | 20-sluts FTW |
| 06:59.11 | Moleculor | The new herbalism bag! I forgot all about it! |
| 06:59.28 | dolseni | i can't play without bags |
| 06:59.40 | ZorbaTHut | I've purchased 12 gigantique bags so far. |
| 06:59.46 | Moleculor | o.o |
| 06:59.55 | End | tekkub: was that a typo or not? |
| 06:59.56 | End | I can't tell |
| 06:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | 4 each for two characters and an AH alt. |
| 07:00.01 | msou| | tekkub: I'd be greateful if you donate 'em |
| 07:00.39 | zenzio | End: it's a good question... could be 20-sluts, 20-slits, or 20-slots |
| 07:00.50 | End | or 20-bears |
| 07:00.53 | Moleculor | I'd prefer the sluts version. |
| 07:00.58 | End | the keys are right next to each other |
| 07:01.00 | zenzio | End: that would be a monster-typo |
| 07:01.02 | End | who knows what he reallt meant |
| 07:01.06 | End | really* |
| 07:01.22 | dolseni | woo 20 seconds till the latest episode of lost is done downloading |
| 07:01.34 | msou| | End: heh, I was playing my my friend a girl.. and I told her "go to orgimmar and watch the boobs" |
| 07:01.43 | msou| | what I meant was noobs |
| 07:01.48 | End | hehe |
| 07:01.50 | dolseni | sure you did |
| 07:01.59 | dolseni | we all know lesbians are HOT |
| 07:02.04 | msou| | I'm engaged :) |
| 07:02.05 | dolseni | you jsut wanted to turn your friend into one |
| 07:02.14 | tekkub | dolseni: here let me spoil it for you |
| 07:02.15 | msou| | so she is just a friend |
| 07:02.32 | tekkub | at the end of the episode you'll all like "what the fuck chuck" |
| 07:02.46 | ZorbaTHut | msou, I think implying that there is a cause/effect relationship there is far worse than mentioning those two things individually |
| 07:02.52 | dolseni | tekkub, thats every lost episode |
| 07:02.57 | krka | well, boob could also mean " a stupid person; fool; dunce." |
| 07:02.58 | ZorbaTHut | "I'm engaged, so she's a friend. But if I weren't, ho ho ho!" |
| 07:03.24 | End | it also could mean "a woman's breast" |
| 07:03.36 | Moleculor | Engaged doesn't stop some folk I know. Hell, married doesn't either. And for all of 'em, their fiancee/spouse knows. Sometimes even participates. |
| 07:03.37 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: hehe, I knew her threw my friend and she was his ex :) |
| 07:05.50 | ZorbaTHut | moleculor, poly is very, very popular now |
| 07:06.22 | Moleculor | As it should be. |
| 07:06.26 | msou| | it isn't possible to hit lvl 55 by theweekend when you're 42 now |
| 07:06.31 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/15/funny-pictures-kittehs-conserv-space/ |
| 07:06.41 | ZorbaTHut | msou, it's certainly possible. you'd have to work at it |
| 07:07.08 | msou| | ZorbaTHut: trying really with the help of QH ;) |
| 07:07.17 | ZorbaTHut | hrm, are there any UI mods that can simply provide more macro slots? |
| 07:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | or is that not possible? |
| 07:09.11 | tekkub | not "real" ones |
| 07:09.20 | tekkub | but they can use macrotexts and their own buttons |
| 07:09.47 | Moleculor | Do those buttons drag-and-drop into action bars like normal? |
| 07:09.52 | ZorbaTHut | know of any that do that? I just want a bunch of extra macros that I can drop straight into bartender |
| 07:09.55 | tekkub | no |
| 07:10.04 | AbsolutRayne | Another one of those 'I want something and thats nto good enough for me.' |
| 07:10.09 | AbsolutRayne | People |
| 07:10.18 | tekkub | if you want draggable macros, you are limited by the system in place |
| 07:10.23 | ZorbaTHut | dang |
| 07:10.26 | smoke__ | is there an app that parses the combat log to something more readable ? |
| 07:10.38 | smoke__ | not an in game addon but like a win32 app |
| 07:10.41 | tekkub | you can get around the length limit, but only if you're willing to break feedback |
| 07:11.54 | batrick | zzz |
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| 07:14.45 | Lukian | smoke__, wowwebstats? |
| 07:16.03 | DWSR | Anyone that can help me with moving EBB on entering combat? |
| 07:16.53 | Thunder_Child | do you not have them in the same place out of combat? |
| 07:17.26 | DWSR | I want to move them |
| 07:18.01 | Thunder_Child | i'm still not sure what you want exactly |
| 07:18.28 | Thunder_Child | but Elkano might be the best person to talk to about that particular thing |
| 07:18.33 | DWSR | EBB is here > < |
| 07:18.37 | DWSR | I want to move it here > < |
| 07:18.40 | AbsolutRayne | Time to Update Cherry Lite |
| 07:20.01 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, so upon combat starting you want it to go from point a to point b? |
| 07:20.33 | msou| | is there an addon that is similar to instancemap? Arrowmaster wouldn't bother updating it |
| 07:20.49 | Arrowmaster | theres atlas |
| 07:21.25 | msou| | care to link it for me |
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| 07:21.47 | msou| | not updated too |
| 07:21.50 | msou| | 5 months ago |
| 07:22.42 | Thunder_Child | doesnt the game now have instance maps? |
| 07:22.57 | Arrowmaster | only for northrend instances |
| 07:23.33 | tekkub | because who goes anywhere else anyway |
| 07:23.40 | tekkub | wasted artist time! |
| 07:23.45 | msou| | I just started tekkub |
| 07:24.18 | Thunder_Child | then why do you need it updated? nothing has changed |
| 07:24.37 | msou| | didn't get into the game when it was released.. a friend of mine wanted me to get into it and join him but at the time I had other stuff to di :) |
| 07:24.41 | msou| | I see |
| 07:25.16 | Arrowmaster | well instancemaps needs updated after major patches because the texture map changes |
| 07:25.31 | msou| | I thought it'd break with the new patch |
| 07:25.32 | Thunder_Child | for the old stuff? |
| 07:25.46 | End | if they regenerate the textures |
| 07:26.02 | End | the md5s all change, which means the filepath changes |
| 07:26.02 | DWSR | TC: Yes |
| 07:26.21 | End | some maps will still work, some will fail |
| 07:26.36 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, does it have profiles? will that do what you need it to do? |
| 07:26.39 | DWSR | no |
| 07:27.23 | DWSR | I want to just move the anchor from a to b. |
| 07:27.28 | DWSR | anchor position* |
| 07:27.57 | Thunder_Child | well only way i know is to drag it by hand. |
| 07:28.22 | DWSR | Right, but is there a way that I can...say....just pass a position to its frame? |
| 07:28.38 | Adys | Any frostfire mage around? Trying to play around with a pve second spec |
| 07:28.44 | Adys | found this but it's old: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage=23050320123033300531203003512033030310030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000&glyph=101519000000&version=9551 |
| 07:29.28 | batrick | Shirik: "Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud, after a while you realize the pig is enjoying it. " |
| 07:29.32 | Thunder_Child | Adys, thats about it |
| 07:29.38 | Shirik | :P |
| 07:29.40 | Adys | what about glyphs? |
| 07:29.47 | Adys | no ffb glyph? |
| 07:29.48 | krka | batrick: true! |
| 07:29.58 | Thunder_Child | there is |
| 07:30.03 | Thunder_Child | i wasnt looking at the glyphs |
| 07:30.12 | Adys | yeah but which ones should i take? |
| 07:30.58 | Thunder_Child | i have ffb molten armor and imp scorch |
| 07:31.29 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Draenor&cn=Blazeofglory&gn=The+Allegiance |
| 07:31.31 | Thunder_Child | is what i have |
| 07:31.42 | Adys | ok thanks |
| 07:31.45 | Thunder_Child | though there is a couple of points of play room |
| 07:31.50 | batrick | fucking gnomes |
| 07:32.05 | Thunder_Child | is that a fantasy batrick? |
| 07:32.08 | Adys | id take glyph of evocation somewhere |
| 07:32.12 | Adys | but meh |
| 07:32.22 | Adys | instead of imp scorch |
| 07:32.38 | batrick | No that's reality. |
| 07:33.55 | Thunder_Child | i dont feel like casting scorch 5 times |
| 07:38.47 | Adys | Thunder_Child: should I go for shatter rather than frost chann? |
| 07:39.13 | Adys | (at least by one pt) |
| 07:39.24 | Thunder_Child | Adys, i find that you usualy dont have time to use that before someone else breaks it by dmging the target |
| 07:39.31 | Thunder_Child | solo sure |
| 07:39.34 | Adys | mm k |
| 07:39.37 | Thunder_Child | raid/party not really |
| 07:40.56 | Adys | fail |
| 07:41.02 | Thunder_Child | hmm? |
| 07:41.04 | Adys | deep freeze warning pops even if i dont have fd |
| 07:41.06 | Adys | df even |
| 07:41.48 | Thunder_Child | i keep hearing that things are breaking on the dual spec stuff |
| 07:42.41 | Adys | this spec sucks |
| 07:42.46 | Adys | I cant play it with 3 fingers |
| 07:43.32 | Thunder_Child | lazy bastard |
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| 07:45.47 | nevcairiel | Anyone here got a rogue with shadow dance? |
| 07:45.52 | nevcairiel | need some api return infos |
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| 07:46.36 | Adys | oomspec too |
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| 07:58.37 | Trela | What was the name of the death knight spell that spread diseases to other targets? |
| 07:58.56 | DWSR | pestilence |
| 07:59.02 | Trela | Thank you. |
| 07:59.51 | Trela | I can not find it so I must have to retrain it. |
| 08:00.14 | DWSR | no, you don't. |
| 08:01.27 | Adys | Anyone getting an error with overachiever on achievement hover? |
| 08:01.27 | Trela | I agree now that I see after refreshing my spells page, but it was not there a few minutes ago. =o.o= |
| 08:01.27 | Adys | Overachiever.lua:676: attempt to index upvalue 'AchLookup_metaach' (a nil value) |
| 08:02.37 | NeoTron | well we got deconstructor down |
| 08:03.12 | durcyn | NeoTron: did your trash at least despawn correctly? ours was still up :( |
| 08:03.23 | zenzio | deconstructor deconstucted lulz |
| 08:03.28 | zenzio | +r |
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| 08:04.17 | NeoTron | no trash |
| 08:04.20 | NeoTron | so yeah |
| 08:04.25 | NeoTron | did you soft reset? |
| 08:05.14 | NeoTron | you beat our kill by about a minute |
| 08:05.18 | NeoTron | but it seems you had one more dps |
| 08:05.44 | durcyn | yeah, soft reset didn't work until the second round of hotfixes went in |
| 08:05.51 | durcyn | finally killed it once the fucking pummellers stopped adding the trash |
| 08:05.57 | Adys | what the hell |
| 08:06.03 | Adys | frostbite is never proccing |
| 08:06.05 | Adys | i got it maxed |
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| 08:06.32 | NeoTron | we got a few ignis attempts in |
| 08:06.36 | NeoTron | best one was 60-something |
| 08:06.39 | Adys | neither is FoF.. |
| 08:06.41 | NeoTron | he hits like a truck on crack |
| 08:06.55 | NeoTron | and his trash alone will lock out most pugs .. :P |
| 08:07.04 | durcyn | NeoTron: huh? he's fine once you remove the stupid buff |
| 08:07.08 | nevcairiel | you just have to avoid those damn wind things |
| 08:07.24 | durcyn | you're not trying to offtank the adds, are you? |
| 08:07.36 | NeoTron | we're trying to kill them but usually he has 1-2 stacks on |
| 08:07.43 | NeoTron | we've definitely not perfected the fight yet |
| 08:08.00 | NeoTron | 7 real tries so far |
| 08:08.03 | nevcairiel | our add tank was slag-potted yesterday |
| 08:08.17 | durcyn | 2's about all you can reasonably expect to survive |
| 08:08.17 | pnorman | We had the server go down right after flame lev, then today on 10 man we had it crash at 5% on him |
| 08:08.19 | NeoTron | right. with 3 I was owned |
| 08:08.21 | nevcairiel | but we had like 2 real tries before our instance bugged |
| 08:08.21 | durcyn | 3 with cooldown spam |
| 08:08.50 | NeoTron | I love htat he stills does the melee on slag pot thing |
| 08:08.58 | durcyn | even after the second round of hotfixes? |
| 08:08.58 | NeoTron | in one attempt his first two pots killed two healers |
| 08:09.02 | NeoTron | he did it today |
| 08:09.12 | NeoTron | lost a priest then a pally in a row |
| 08:09.19 | durcyn | this would've been around 7 or 8 PST, so a while ago |
| 08:10.04 | NeoTron | [00:21:13.478] Ignis the Furnace Master hits Treehugz 45160 |
| 08:10.06 | Adys | What are projected textures? |
| 08:10.21 | nevcairiel | 8pm? i've been sleeping by that, EU and all :D |
| 08:10.25 | nevcairiel | but glad to hear more fixes are in |
| 08:10.56 | NeoTron | [00:36:15.727] Ignis the Furnace Master hits Halstrom 46307 |
| 08:11.01 | DWSR | wow |
| 08:11.06 | tekkub | anyone have an account at http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/ ? |
| 08:11.09 | durcyn | Adys: textures on the ground, i.e. runes from aoe effects |
| 08:11.13 | tekkub | hoping not, but need someone that does |
| 08:11.33 | Adys | oh cheers |
| 08:11.35 | durcyn | Adys: hodir's the only fight i've seen them used on yet, but that one's basically unplayable without 'em |
| 08:11.54 | NeoTron | [00:08:14.685] Ignis the Furnace Master hits Tylanthus 81860 |
| 08:11.57 | NeoTron | yeah it's good stuff |
| 08:15.52 | NeoTron | but man so glad to be in ulduar |
| 08:15.58 | NeoTron | where kills actually matter again |
| 08:17.01 | NeoTron | Conquest @ Kilrogg is at the moment World #6 |
| 08:17.07 | NeoTron | I don't think they have slept since the patch |
| 08:21.04 | Thunder_Child | i love tilt shift |
| 08:22.42 | ZorbaTHut | has anyone gotten to Algalon yet? |
| 08:23.25 | ZorbaTHut | I presume somebody's hit Yogg-Saron at least |
| 08:24.22 | zenzio | apparently at least Ensidia is |
| 08:24.30 | zenzio | might be more by now |
| 08:24.56 | zenzio | (at Yogg) |
| 08:26.31 | ZorbaTHut | wonder how much has been spend in repair bills worldwide since 3.1 |
| 08:26.33 | ZorbaTHut | *spent |
| 08:30.34 | NeoTron | you need to kill each keeper on hard mode to get to algalon, at a minimum |
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| 08:32.34 | nevcairiel | Is that actually prooven or still a rumor that sticks around? |
| 08:32.42 | nevcairiel | besides from comments from people, i havent seen actual proof |
| 08:33.38 | Arrowmaster | talents for everybody got reset right? |
| 08:33.47 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 08:33.49 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: you spec yet? |
| 08:33.59 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 08:34.02 | jnwhiteh | feral/resto? |
| 08:34.11 | nevcairiel | both, yea |
| 08:34.17 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 08:34.23 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Burning+Legion&cn=Tokrim |
| 08:34.29 | Arrowmaster | i have a 'null' talent |
| 08:34.32 | jnwhiteh | interested in telling me what i should spec at level 73 for resto? |
| 08:34.35 | jnwhiteh | i can figure out my balance i suspect :P |
| 08:34.39 | nevcairiel | i'm not too sure about my feral spec yet, though |
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| 08:34.47 | nevcairiel | resto didnt really change from 3.0 |
| 08:34.55 | jnwhiteh | but i wasn't specced resto :P |
| 08:34.59 | jnwhiteh | i've not done it since 3.x higt |
| 08:35.01 | nevcairiel | ah heh |
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| 08:35.10 | jnwhiteh | it was more hybrid |
| 08:36.02 | nevcairiel | pure pve? |
| 08:36.31 | jnwhiteh | i'll be pvping eventually |
| 08:36.41 | jnwhiteh | but i suspect i'll respec at that point |
| 08:36.45 | jnwhiteh | to have viable pvp builds |
| 08:36.57 | jnwhiteh | for right now, I'll be PVE healing, and duoing balance |
| 08:36.58 | nevcairiel | this is my pve 80 spec http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0VG0uZZf0fuiuxVuVhsVo , i would cut down on the balance points on your level, and fill those up as you level |
| 08:37.00 | Syzgyn | Do we know what bosses drop the tier pieces in Ulduar? |
| 08:37.18 | jnwhiteh | oh thanks |
| 08:37.41 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: Revitalize no good? |
| 08:37.52 | nevcairiel | nah |
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| 08:51.57 | Shirik | night all |
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| 09:06.45 | DWSR | wow wtf. |
| 09:07.01 | DWSR | I queued in WG, then exited and got ported to the Barrens. WTF? |
| 09:07.23 | Arrowmaster | horde? |
| 09:07.26 | DWSR | mhm |
| 09:08.17 | DWSR | I queued as a group, and the other 2 people in my group got returned to WG. |
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| 09:13.37 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:13.42 | jnwhiteh | I need 10 more glyph skill ups |
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| 09:17.44 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:17.50 | jnwhiteh | Glyphs |
| 09:17.53 | jnwhiteh | Wrath, Monsoon, Roots |
| 09:17.56 | jnwhiteh | I need to choose two of those |
| 09:18.08 | jnwhiteh | probably the first two |
| 09:23.01 | jnwhiteh | any (small) addons that provide a more compact viewing style for the auction house, sorted? |
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| 09:34.26 | spode | jnwhiteh http://github.com/tekkub/gnomishauctionshrinker/tree/master =) |
| 09:34.42 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 09:39.46 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: what major glyphs would you recommend for resto? |
| 09:39.56 | jnwhiteh | regrowth, wild growth and nourish? |
| 09:40.12 | nevcairiel | nourish, swiftmend, lifebloom |
| 09:40.19 | jnwhiteh | orly |
| 09:41.05 | jnwhiteh | oh duh |
| 09:41.07 | jnwhiteh | swiftmend is the win |
| 09:41.39 | nevcairiel | you should get either regrowth or nourish, both doesnt make sense |
| 09:41.44 | nevcairiel | focus on one quick-heal :) |
| 09:41.52 | nevcairiel | and nourish is more powerful now |
| 09:41.54 | jnwhiteh | well i'm not that high into inscription yet., |
| 09:42.00 | jnwhiteh | and don't get nourish until level 80 |
| 09:42.08 | jnwhiteh | so i think lifebloom/regrowth for right now maybe |
| 09:42.18 | nevcairiel | nourish glyph is also a new discover thing in 3.1 |
| 09:42.22 | nevcairiel | havent seen it on my realm yet |
| 09:42.23 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 09:42.41 | jnwhiteh | damn lifebloom is higher up too |
| 09:44.13 | jnwhiteh | i'm only 250 inscription :P |
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| 10:23.03 | Jamash | so many addon errors |
| 10:24.22 | foxlit | so few! |
| 10:24.35 | foxlit | I more or less checked "load out of date addons" and things worked. |
| 10:24.58 | Cairenn | ROFL "I was doing a show the other night in Newfoundland and before I started my routine I asked if anyone had anything special they were celebrating. Gentleman in the audience said that he was celebrating his birthday. 'Oh,' said I, "how old are you?' 'I'm 56 years old,' he answered. 'And if you were a dog?' 'I'd be licking myself' " |
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| 10:25.33 | zenzio | O_o |
| 10:25.40 | Jamash | I'm trying to convince QuestLongList that it shouldn't try to manage the old quest log frame that doesn't exist anymore |
| 10:37.01 | DWSR | Guys, is TomTom going to get fixed? |
| 10:37.08 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 10:37.09 | jnwhiteh | its not broken |
| 10:37.11 | jnwhiteh | so.. no?> |
| 10:37.25 | Jamash | yay, QLL fixed by the "comment stuff out until it works" method |
| 10:37.36 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: It doesn't work for me. Arrow does not show. |
| 10:37.43 | jnwhiteh | then update |
| 10:37.44 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Either that or QH and Lightheaded are both broken |
| 10:37.45 | jnwhiteh | or provide more information |
| 10:38.00 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: I will, later, was wondering if anyone had the same issue. |
| 10:38.01 | Jamash | I'm using QH and the arrow is showing |
| 10:38.05 | DWSR | I thought I updated, but I'll double check. |
| 10:38.09 | jnwhiteh | TomTom works, I can assure you of this. |
| 10:38.10 | DWSR | Jamash: Using TT or Cartographer? |
| 10:38.32 | Jamash | oh, Cartographer |
| 10:38.53 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: it works. |
| 10:38.54 | jnwhiteh | I promise. |
| 10:39.06 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Ah, I see the problem. CC doesn't see TT in my addons folder. |
| 10:39.15 | jnwhiteh | that's because TomTom isn't on Curse... |
| 10:39.16 | jnwhiteh | so. |
| 10:39.27 | DWSR | mhm, I forgot. |
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| 10:39.30 | DWSR | grabs it |
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| 10:40.17 | DWSR | ugh, have to install java. |
| 10:45.45 | Fisker- | ugh indeed |
| 10:45.49 | Fisker- | y helo thar jnwhiteh |
| 10:45.53 | jnwhiteh | hi |
| 10:46.00 | Fisker- | wanna make out? |
| 10:46.03 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 10:46.11 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give dolseni a big kiss on the forehead |
| 10:46.11 | Fisker- | fu purl |
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| 11:53.42 | Jamash | some guy in trade on my server just claimed that wowinterface tried to install a java virus on his computer |
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| 11:56.19 | jnwhiteh | well he's wrong |
| 11:56.21 | jnwhiteh | that's the download button |
| 11:56.29 | jnwhiteh | and its far from a virus |
| 11:56.37 | jnwhiteh | he's welcome to disable java and use the fallback methods |
| 11:56.41 | nevcairiel | its the wowmatrix virus |
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| 12:01.52 | Cairenn | offs |
| 12:02.19 | Cairenn | sorry, just saw what had been said in here |
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| 12:05.53 | Trela_ | Good morning. |
| 12:05.59 | Trela_ | Good morning clones! |
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| 12:13.17 | Wobin | heheh |
| 12:13.20 | Wobin | Java virus |
| 12:13.24 | Wobin | That's... brilliant =) |
| 12:14.21 | Trela_ | Referring to what, Wobin? |
| 12:14.35 | Wobin | .:Jamash:. some guy in trade on my server just claimed that wowinterface tried to install a java virus on his computer |
| 12:14.44 | Trela_ | XD |
| 12:15.05 | Jamash | apparently he thought the official sun java installer was malware |
| 12:15.21 | Wobin | The Internets are invading! |
| 12:15.24 | Wobin | Flee while you can! |
| 12:16.16 | Elkano | the interwebz? shoot on sight! |
| 12:17.05 | Coren{de} | depending on one's definition of malware, the installer *is* malware :> |
| 12:18.23 | augustl | that java applet has got to be bad for wowinterface.com in the long run |
| 12:18.49 | Coren{de} | unfortunately, alternative java implementations are still lacking some... same als flash alternatives (Curse flash-install-button does not work in swfdec - flash :( ) |
| 12:18.50 | augustl | perhaps most people have java installed and running tho', so they won't notice any difference |
| 12:19.16 | Cairenn | we don't want to be doing this and anyone that thinks we do is misinformed |
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| 12:20.01 | Cairenn | I know, you weren't saying it |
| 12:20.09 | augustl | a "Why is this a java applet?" link would make sense |
| 12:20.20 | Cairenn | it's on the front page of our site |
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| 12:20.26 | Elkano | Cairenn, didn't you want to move/delete my FramesResized addons? Or shall I just report them? |
| 12:20.31 | Cairenn | we had to block WM |
| 12:20.45 | Cairenn | Elkano: I'm sorry, I've been rather crazy .. link? |
| 12:20.50 | augustl | Cairenn: yeah, but it's not 'till you see the java download button for the first time you wonder |
| 12:21.00 | Coren{de} | well, not everyone looks at the front page :) I'd put a huge somethingorother around the download button on each AddOn's page :D |
| 12:21.12 | Elkano | delete: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10447-ElkanosFramesResized-WotLK.html |
| 12:22.02 | Elkano | move to "Graphic UI mods": http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4547-ElkanosFramesResized.html |
| 12:22.04 | Cairenn | Elkano: gone |
| 12:22.05 | Coren{de} | at least the WoW-I version is working... had to DL X-Perl update from a friend because of the crappy curse solution |
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| 12:22.20 | Cairenn | xperl is on our site too |
| 12:22.37 | nevcairiel | Curse works fine for me |
| 12:22.40 | Coren{de} | yeah, but the author doesn't update it and it's broken in 3.1 atm |
| 12:22.43 | Trela_ | Cairenn, That is awesome that EWOlson person got banned. |
| 12:22.49 | Elkano | and once I'm sure my current EBB works again, I'll finnaly update it on wowi again ^^ |
| 12:22.52 | nevcairiel | if it doesnt for you, and you want to help fix it, talk to ckknight :P |
| 12:22.55 | Cairenn | actually, I haven't banned him |
| 12:23.05 | Coren{de} | nev: swfdec flash ("free" player in debian) |
| 12:23.22 | nevcairiel | well its encoded, any decoder wont work =p |
| 12:23.37 | nevcairiel | only Flash9 and 10 can play it |
| 12:23.52 | Coren{de} | x-perl from wowi in 3.1 = no context menu (on player/target/... frames) |
| 12:23.53 | Cairenn | Elkano: okay |
| 12:24.31 | nevcairiel | somehow i'm pretty sure that swfdec will not work on a lot of flash thingys |
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| 12:25.01 | Coren{de} | nev: youtube works which is why I got it at all in the first place ;) |
| 12:25.11 | Trela_ | Cairenn: Did you see his posts on the Blizzard forums? He said he intentionally moved them off to his own servers and was basically saying that he was super pissed off at WoWInterface/Curse because of the WoWMatrix thing. |
| 12:25.17 | nevcairiel | there is an official linux flash plugin too |
| 12:25.26 | Cairenn | Coren{de}: actually, you are correct, I'm sorry - I thought I had recalled approving an update x-perl on WoWi but I was wrong |
| 12:25.33 | Cairenn | Trela_: aye, I did |
| 12:25.51 | Cairenn | yes, we gave no notice, yadda yadda |
| 12:25.58 | Coren{de} | no need to be sorry 8) |
| 12:26.08 | Trela_ | Actually we were given notice. |
| 12:26.14 | Cairenn | Coren{de}: I don't like giving out misinformation |
| 12:26.30 | Cairenn | Trela_: I know that and you know that, he was just being an ass by saying it |
| 12:26.41 | Coren{de} | nev: those "official players" mean that they are not very nice to any package management whatsoever, and I gave up Slackware years ago for a reason ;) |
| 12:26.59 | Trela_ | Cairenn: My sarcasm detector is made of fail. :O |
| 12:27.02 | nevcairiel | its a browser plugin, does it have to go through package management? :) |
| 12:27.07 | nevcairiel | But your system :D |
| 12:27.14 | Cairenn | Trela_: my just about everything is full of fail right now |
| 12:27.17 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:27.28 | Trela_ | Sounds like you need a break. |
| 12:27.47 | Cairenn | I'll get some more sleep again in a while :) |
| 12:28.25 | augustl | is anyone in here taking on Dr. Damage for 3.1? |
| 12:28.30 | Coren{de} | nev: depends on where it wants to install itself :) if it wants a spot outside of ~user, it sure as heal won |
| 12:28.32 | Coren{de} | 't |
| 12:29.02 | Coren{de} | *fingers cramp typo* :D it sure as hell won't without integrating properly |
| 12:29.03 | Trela_ | Does any one else see WoWInterface 100% dead at the moment? |
| 12:29.18 | Trela_ | Nevermind, can connect again. |
| 12:30.08 | Cairenn | Trela_: :) |
| 12:30.14 | Coren{de} | nev: most plugins want to get into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, which is fine, if they behave ;) |
| 12:30.42 | Cairenn | Dolby said "crap" in the staff channel at basically the same time as I was calling him to tell him we'd just gone down |
| 12:30.43 | nevcairiel | I'm pretty sure there is a plugins folder in ~/.mozilla/ |
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| 12:30.49 | nevcairiel | I dunno |
| 12:30.56 | nevcairiel | Gentoo has an ebuild for the official flash |
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| 12:31.50 | Kissy | Well, on the good side the server seems more responsive now. |
| 12:32.39 | Coren{de} | nev: I have to admit that I am as much (or more) weary about the closed-sourceness of it and the implicit implications, I'm still awaiting the death of EU-OSS by patents via the commission |
| 12:33.36 | nevcairiel | Didn't the EU turn down software patents a few years ago already? :) |
| 12:34.07 | Coren{de} | the *parliament* did, yes, but that means only that they want more bribes :> |
| 12:35.03 | Coren{de} | and I think only about 25% of them turned it down for the right reasons, the others just didn't get it :D |
| 12:36.03 | Nuckin | so wowi works again (woot) but blizzard's server are still unstable (rofl) |
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| 12:37.37 | Coren{de} | governments are a weird kind of beast anyways :) |
| 12:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr to that. |
| 12:38.45 | Coren{de} | lua> string.gsub("Foo!", "??", "?"); |
| 12:38.46 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: ?F?o?o?!?, 5 |
| 12:38.58 | Coren{de} | anyone can explain to me how that result is logical? :D |
| 12:39.09 | Kissy | o.o |
| 12:39.12 | augustl | uh |
| 12:39.14 | Jamash | "??" matches an optional question mark, which means it matches everywhere |
| 12:40.13 | Coren{de} | yeah, but shouldn't it *replace* what it matches? I'd be fine with getting "????" (every char replaced with a ?), but how can it *replace* and leave the original string there at the same time? |
| 12:40.28 | Jamash | it's replacing the null string |
| 12:40.45 | Nuckin | anyone know if the premium subscription on WoWI auto re-charges when it runs out? |
| 12:40.47 | Coren{de} | I see. |
| 12:40.53 | augustl | it defies the laws of nature! You can't create something from nothing |
| 12:40.53 | Coren{de} | lua> string.gsub("Foo!", "\?\?", "?"); |
| 12:40.54 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: ?F?o?o?!?, 5 |
| 12:41.12 | Coren{de} | but now I escaped the meta and it *still* matches... :D |
| 12:41.19 | Wobin | \ is not escape |
| 12:41.24 | Wobin | try % |
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| 12:41.30 | Coren{de} | aaaah |
| 12:41.36 | Coren{de} | lua> string.gsub("Foo!", "%?%?", "?"); |
| 12:41.37 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: Foo!, 0 |
| 12:42.14 | krka | lua> string.gsub("Foo????", "%?%?", "?") |
| 12:42.15 | lua_bot | krka: Foo??, 2 |
| 12:44.01 | Coren{de} | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_Pattern_Matching has a link at the bottom to http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/regexp.html which is where I got the wrong backslash-escape from :D |
| 12:45.38 | Coren{de} | I wanted to escape a colon in a string, so I did ?->??, !->??, colon -> ?!?! (reversible kind of replacements), then I noticed the meta-character of ? :D |
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| 12:45.51 | Coren{de} | eh, !->?! |
| 12:45.59 | Kraftman | !! |
| 12:46.14 | Elkano | ook? ook! |
| 12:46.22 | Kraftman | eek |
| 12:47.25 | Coren{de} | (changed to # instead of ? meanwhile, but it's good to know how I wronged anyways :)) |
| 12:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | tosses a banana to Elkano. |
| 12:48.21 | Elkano | -> http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html |
| 12:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | The Librarian would love that. |
| 12:49.43 | Coren{de} | I prefer Brainf*ck to Ook... more readable :D |
| 12:50.20 | Coren{de} | and what's wrong with bananas and monkeys for orang-utans? are they somehow opponents? |
| 12:50.30 | krka | I like whitespace |
| 12:51.27 | Coren{de} | Banana should be the equivalent of ++ and Monkey of -- :> |
| 12:51.47 | Lopeppeppy | That's what the Librarian thinks too. |
| 12:51.59 | Coren{de} | (then Monkey is an Anti-Banana for an Orang-Utan...) |
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| 12:59.44 | Nuckin | yay, I have my gold name plate now |
| 12:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 12:59.54 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | What for? |
| 13:00.05 | Nuckin | subscriber |
| 13:00.21 | Nuckin | so now i have "Addon Author" and "Site Supporter" |
| 13:00.28 | Nuckin | I must collect all the name emblems! |
| 13:00.31 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 13:00.47 | Nuckin | they're like freakin' pokemon |
| 13:00.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. *nod* |
| 13:01.21 | Fisker- | pokemon? I wish |
| 13:05.35 | Nuckin | hm, now to choose a custom title |
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| 13:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | "Pokemon Collector" |
| 13:08.10 | Nuckin | hm, thats a good one, in light of the bacon obsession I made it "is eating bacon" |
| 13:08.29 | Lopeppeppy | Have I shown you my NSFW bacon item? |
| 13:08.44 | Nuckin | lol, I don't think so |
| 13:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | NSFW http://failblog.org/2009/04/01/product-fail/ |
| 13:10.06 | Nuckin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | Fail Blog does excellent fail. |
| 13:11.19 | krka | that's SFW! |
| 13:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Um. Not! |
| 13:12.07 | Lopeppeppy | AFK sheeple! |
| 13:12.34 | Nuckin | lol well i'll be back, I must devour this apple pie before it gets the best of me |
| 13:13.10 | krka | don't see what's NSFW about it |
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| 13:28.04 | amro | where's the option to enable the gear manager? can't find it |
| 13:28.10 | Adys | its been pulled out |
| 13:29.18 | amro | gg |
| 13:29.23 | amro | just the option or the whole UI? |
| 13:29.28 | Adys | the whole ui |
| 13:31.02 | Jamash | g'night folks |
| 13:31.09 | zenzio | amro: as in it didn't make it into 3.1, but it will be in a later patch |
| 13:31.12 | augustl | sue them |
| 13:31.18 | amro | will do |
| 13:31.35 | amro | it made it to the patch notes :S |
| 13:31.42 | Adys | lol |
| 13:31.46 | augustl | it did? I don't remember reading about it there |
| 13:32.00 | zenzio | amro: the patch notes start at the PTR, sometimes they forget to remove things before going live |
| 13:32.18 | augustl | sue them again |
| 13:32.40 | airtonix | whats the count on [enraged jugular of the lazy updater] at so far? |
| 13:33.35 | amro | zenzio: yep, but this is pretty big |
| 13:33.47 | amro | it was advertized as one of the hot things in 3.1 |
| 13:33.49 | airtonix | Adys, if you mouseover an item in a gear slot on your toon...hold alt i think. that part of the gear manager is still there |
| 13:34.13 | amro | nothing happens if I do that |
| 13:34.15 | airtonix | ergo: fly out menus for gear that will fit in that slot |
| 13:34.17 | Adys | amro: well "new dances" were advertised as a big feature in wotlk |
| 13:34.28 | airtonix | might be shift then |
| 13:34.41 | amro | Adys: yep. I see a pattern |
| 13:34.59 | amro | airtonix: oh, right. I was looking in the wrong place |
| 13:37.45 | airtonix | combined with salerack (which still works) you effectivily have the gear manager blizz promised |
| 13:38.00 | airtonix | just no gui for it, as salerack is all macro based |
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| 13:52.15 | Coren{de} | note to self, even if it's a function and you have a local called Result, you still have to return it explicitly... :D |
| 13:53.44 | krka | note to self, even if you have a variable called firsttwodigitprime, you still have to initialize it to 11 |
| 13:54.14 | haste | note to self, get a better note to self application. |
| 13:55.21 | Adys | note to self, don't watch porn after using super glue to fix the shower pad |
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| 13:57.25 | Coren{de} | Adys, more details :> |
| 13:57.30 | Adys | no |
| 13:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 13:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | So much TMI, so little time. :) |
| 13:59.19 | krka | that was too much TMI information, imo :/ |
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| 14:00.31 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 14:01.15 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.29 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *cookies* |
| 14:01.51 | alestane | Yeah, cookies might help. I'm too tired to bake, myself. |
| 14:02.11 | Lopeppeppy | Cookies always help. |
| 14:02.23 | Kissy | !cookie |
| 14:02.23 | Trela | hands Kissy a freshly baked oatmeal chocolate chip cookie. |
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| 14:05.20 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
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| 14:17.26 | Cairenn | btw, if I haven't said it in the last few hours - thank you, guys, your support is very much appreciated |
| 14:17.37 | Cairenn | and I know the folks at Curse feel the same way |
| 14:17.54 | Kissy | I am confused. o.o How did we support? |
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| 14:18.33 | Adys | Cairenn: Gonna be afk for the next few hours, so I won't be able to see the next few thank-yous, so feel free to send me ingame gold, or pay for my blizzcon ticket |
| 14:18.36 | Cairenn | folks backing us on the whole wowmatrix thing |
| 14:18.44 | Cairenn | Adys: lol |
| 14:18.48 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.55 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn and Kaelten and Dolby and Seerah and Shirik and ckknight and jnwhiteh and everyone else I forget because I'm a silly Peppy.... you guys are made of awesome, and the drama llama will soon be sheared to make you a nice fuzzy pair of mittens! |
| 14:19.10 | ckknight | llama, eh? |
| 14:19.14 | ckknight | sounds delicious. |
| 14:19.19 | Kaelten | hugs lopeppeppy |
| 14:19.24 | Lopeppeppy | llama is soft wool. But you can barbeque the remains if you choose, ckknight. |
| 14:19.33 | Nuckin | lol |
| 14:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | I know Kaelten likes me, he typed my name! |
| 14:19.44 | Nuckin | i picked the perfect time to read this hahaha |
| 14:19.44 | ckknight | one of my coworkers informed me that llamas taste like white-meat chicken |
| 14:19.49 | Cairenn | lurvs Lopeppeppy for using llama wool, since she can't use sheep wool |
| 14:20.01 | Kaelten | hug Cairenn |
| 14:20.06 | Kaelten | hugs Kaelten |
| 14:20.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:20.11 | ckknight | group hugs eventually lead to orgies |
| 14:20.15 | ckknight | I know where this is headed. |
| 14:20.21 | ckknight | I should put pants on... |
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| 14:20.23 | kneeki | Is the largest texture size still 512x512? |
| 14:20.27 | Kaelten | ckknight: in alabama that just means you have 6 people in a room with no shoes on |
| 14:20.29 | Adys | speaking of head, ckknight |
| 14:20.31 | Cairenn | btw, Kaelten, did you see the IM I sent you at some god awful hour this morning? |
| 14:20.32 | amro | ckknight: that would be recommended |
| 14:20.36 | ckknight | Kaelten: whu-oh! |
| 14:20.41 | Kaelten | Cairenn: yep, it's a very valid statement. |
| 14:21.02 | Kaelten | alright shower time |
| 14:21.04 | Cairenn | just wasn't sure if you'd seen it |
| 14:21.05 | Kissy | Oh! That makes sense. |
| 14:21.12 | Kaelten | bbiab |
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| 14:21.58 | Nuckin | kneeki: it has to be a power of 2, so without geting rather large, yes 512 |
| 14:22.13 | Nuckin | kneeki: next one up is 1024 and thats too big imo |
| 14:22.26 | kneeki | Well, you cant even load up a 1024 texture can you? |
| 14:22.33 | kneeki | I remember having issues with it in the past |
| 14:22.36 | Legorol | Does anyone know what happened to the "spell detail level" setting and what replaced it? |
| 14:23.04 | Nuckin | kneeki: never tried it, but i would imagine it wouldn't be viable on systems running in 800x600 resolution :) |
| 14:23.21 | kneeki | Nuckin: heeheee |
| 14:23.23 | kneeki | good point |
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| 14:26.41 | nevcairiel | I think they increased the max texture size to 1024 in 3.0 |
| 14:26.45 | nevcairiel | for prettier loading screens |
| 14:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't mean that's a good size to have textures be in game though. *wrinkles nose* |
| 14:27.26 | Moleculor | Sapphiron's blizzard is SO PRETTY now. |
| 14:27.37 | Moleculor | Thick, bright, splashes on the ground... |
| 14:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, let me know about that spell detail thing. I have to crank mine down on the laptop to play, and if that option doesn't exist anymore... not sure I can play WoW on the laptop. Which effects which computer I sell.... |
| 14:28.30 | Moleculor | Spell detail has been replaced (I think) by those two checkboxes below, projected textures and.... whatever the name of the other one is. |
| 14:28.42 | Moleculor | It's in the patch notes. |
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| 14:30.36 | Moleculor | Aaaaaand.... now I must reboot to install security updates. Hurrah. Bai. |
| 14:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Moleculor. |
| 14:31.09 | zenzelezz | the way I read the patch notes they didn't remove anything, just split it up to give you further control |
| 14:32.34 | Nuckin | zenzelezz: true, but the did remove the original option |
| 14:32.42 | Nuckin | zenzelezz: so they're talking about it being renamed |
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| 14:33.12 | Moleculor | Aaaaand I'm back. |
| 14:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | Now it's either on or off. I liked being able to have *some* spell detail, but not full bore. |
| 14:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh well. |
| 14:34.04 | Nuckin | Lopeppeppy: there is a slider and a checkbox |
| 14:34.17 | zenzelezz | I wish Amazon would stick to one topic in their recommendations... seeing these together just seems to be trying to tell me something: "Compilers: Principles, technologies and tools", "Modern operating systems", "OpenGL Programming Guide", "Misspent Youth", "The Reality Dysfunction" |
| 14:34.24 | Nuckin | Lopeppeppy: Particle Density is the slider which gives you the control you desire |
| 14:34.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, I thought you'd said two checkboxes before. Neat. I like sliders! |
| 14:35.00 | Moleculor | I did. I was wrong. One slider, one checkbox. |
| 14:35.12 | zenzelezz | slides up to Lopeppeppy |
| 14:35.12 | Moleculor | And damnit, Yoggy's dead. :( |
| 14:35.42 | Moleculor | How frequently are people seeing Fragments drop, anyhow? We managed to get one off of our Flame Leviathan kill. |
| 14:35.58 | Kissy | I can not remember the name of it, but it is an AddOn that adds the vendor sell price to quest rewards. Any one remember? |
| 14:36.06 | Wobin | Moleculor: You've won the game already? =P |
| 14:36.09 | Nuckin | Moleculor: my realm's instance server died before flame lev's death |
| 14:36.15 | nevcairiel | Kissy: SellFish, for example |
| 14:36.17 | Moleculor | Wobin: Ensidia |
| 14:36.25 | Kissy | nevcairiel: Thank you. |
| 14:36.30 | Nuckin | Kissy: one of auctioneer's sub-addons does it |
| 14:36.32 | Moleculor | Wobin: (No, not me.) |
| 14:36.57 | zenzelezz | it was those Saudi-backed freaks again, of course ;) |
| 14:37.08 | zenzelezz | or was it UAE... |
| 14:37.36 | Kissy | Nuckin: Trying to remove as much as the Auctioneer's bloat from my system as I can since I rarely use it. Having it running and also having it display as a separate tooltip is odd with my setup since then OneBag also displays it at the same time, etcetera... |
| 14:38.15 | zenzelezz | Informant doesn't require Auctioneer |
| 14:38.43 | Moleculor | Mmm... Informant. |
| 14:38.45 | Nuckin | Kissy: yea I understand, I removed all of "auctioneer" and just use Informant and such |
| 14:38.48 | Lopeppeppy | I use... SellFish for that, Kissy? |
| 14:38.51 | Kissy | zenzelezz: It still displays in a separate tooltip though when it really does not make sense to. |
| 14:38.59 | Kissy | is getting SellFish to try. :3 |
| 14:39.03 | zenzelezz | Kissy: you can tell it not to |
| 14:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | I have a smaller auction program, don't remember what it is. I'm a sad panda, I haven't been on WoW yet this week to do updates. |
| 14:40.44 | zenzelezz | I used to use Auctioneer just to remember my sell prices on items |
| 14:40.49 | Nuckin | Lopeppeppy: yea well I'm sexual harassment panda |
| 14:41.03 | Kissy | tries embed. |
| 14:41.34 | Moleculor | I'm starting to have some serious doubts about running Auctioneer. Its pricing mechanics seem far far too inflexible these days. |
| 14:41.36 | Kissy | Now I have two lines of "Sells for..." :O |
| 14:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph? |
| 14:41.37 | Kissy | OMG |
| 14:41.39 | Kissy | BRB |
| 14:41.42 | Kissy | FREE DOUGHNUTS! |
| 14:41.47 | Moleculor | ... |
| 14:42.03 | Moleculor | waits until Kissy eats some donuts, and then Moleculor eats Kissy. |
| 14:43.22 | Nuckin | Kissy: where are these doughnuts you speak of? |
| 14:43.25 | Nuckin | DO WANT |
| 14:43.35 | Nuckin | oh wait... DO HAVE |
| 14:45.23 | Kissy | In the public break room. |
| 14:45.37 | Nuckin | Kissy: wtb public break room... |
| 14:45.44 | Shirik|zZz | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:45.56 | Kissy | Some other AddOn is adding a "Sells for..." to tooltips only in bags. |
| 14:46.09 | Kissy | Now I must determine which it is. |
| 14:46.25 | Adys | Kissy: aucitonator? |
| 14:46.58 | Nuckin | Adys: is the arnold version of Auctioneer? |
| 14:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Shirik dear. I am reliably informed that today is a better day than yesterday. |
| 14:47.07 | Adys | auctionator even |
| 14:47.17 | Adys | its some mini auctioneer |
| 14:47.36 | Kissy | does a massive search of AddOns directory for "Sell price for". |
| 14:47.43 | Kissy | watches computer start to die. |
| 14:47.45 | Adys | ack = win |
| 14:47.58 | Kalroth | win = victory |
| 14:48.19 | Kissy | Wow, I would not have suspected that. It was LootLink. |
| 14:49.28 | Kissy | sticks a return right after function. |
| 14:50.13 | zenzelezz | function.return ? |
| 14:50.51 | Nuckin | Kissy: return 9001; |
| 14:51.10 | Kissy | Ah, I commented it out instead of breaking it. |
| 14:51.23 | Kissy | Nuckin: It's over NINE THOUSAND! |
| 14:52.33 | Moleculor | I never liked LootLink. I like Gazmik Fizzwidget's Linkerator instead. |
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| 14:52.50 | Moleculor | You can just type [Broken I. in the chat window and it'll type out the whole link for you. |
| 14:53.04 | Moleculor | ([Broken I.W.I.N. Button] ftw!) |
| 14:54.32 | Nuckin | Kissy: AHHH... The balls are inert. |
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| 14:54.52 | Etanol | astrolube is bugging |
| 14:55.17 | Moleculor | o.o |
| 14:55.24 | Moleculor | Balls? Lube? |
| 14:55.35 | Moleculor | Are we getting out some condoms too? |
| 14:56.25 | zenzelezz | reminds me of an item in Anarchy Online that had an interesting nick name. It was actually called "Shades of Lucubration", but everyone called it "Shades of Lubrication" |
| 14:57.03 | Kissy | Moleculor: That sounds awesome, does it use less memory than database based LootLink? |
| 14:57.21 | Moleculor | I think so. It uses the internal cache. |
| 14:57.34 | Moleculor | Gazmik Fizzwidget's addons are brilliant. |
| 14:58.01 | Kissy | Ah, what if the item has not been seen by that character though? LookLink keeps a massive database for that reason. |
| 14:58.10 | Moleculor | That's the only time there's a problem. |
| 14:58.30 | Moleculor | But if you want small memory usage, you don't want a massive database. |
| 14:58.41 | Kissy | I rarely use LootLink as is now. |
| 14:58.51 | Moleculor | There ya go. |
| 14:59.13 | Moleculor | http://fizzwidget.com/ |
| 14:59.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite the bit of a rant |
| 14:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474147697&sid=1 |
| 14:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that post |
| 14:59.56 | Kissy | Normally I am hitting WoW Head now since it searches better. |
| 15:00.41 | Moleculor | Speaking of which... I want to see drop rates on Fragments. WoWHead probably has some idea. |
| 15:01.03 | zenzelezz | fragments? |
| 15:01.21 | Moleculor | Fragments of Val'anyr. |
| 15:01.46 | Moleculor | Damnit, I KNOW I've seen one drop, and I KNOW I've uploaded my WoWHead client data... why the hell don't they have "Drops From" listed? |
| 15:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Any one person will have their data discarded |
| 15:02.13 | Coren{de} | Mmh, while I agree that WoWI&Curse are for authors, the statement "[they] are not for you[joe user]" seems wrong to me |
| 15:02.33 | Lopeppeppy | Coren{de}, some of that post is indeed rant from only one person's point of view. :) |
| 15:02.36 | Moleculor | ScytheBlade1: Huh? If they discard everyone's data, how do they gather anything? |
| 15:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Coren{de}: yeah, there are some qualms with it, but eh |
| 15:02.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Moleculor: they don't, they need to find the same data from a LOT of people |
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| 15:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | Moleculor, perhaps they sit on it for a while until they get more data. |
| 15:03.02 | Moleculor | Bleh. |
| 15:03.04 | Moleculor | Stupid website. |
| 15:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | Smart website, so that any single data point doesn't skew the whole works. |
| 15:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Thottbot, back in the day, listed Onyxia in Goldshire. |
| 15:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You can thank private servers for that |
| 15:03.52 | Moleculor | I know it's smart. |
| 15:03.56 | Moleculor | I just don't like it. :P |
| 15:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | Have you any idea how much that sort of statement makes you into a troll? *sigh* |
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| 15:05.14 | Moleculor | Huh? |
| 15:05.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoKZbOSvVa0&feature=channel |
| 15:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | crazy. |
| 15:05.52 | Moleculor | Lopeppeppy: I also don't like the fact that I don't have a magic donut machine that spits out free donuts any time I want it to. Does that also make me a troll? |
| 15:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | When you complain about it to incite reaction, it does. This has been a tiring month for such behaviors, and maybe I'm just a wee sensitive to seeing it in the IRC channel as well. I'm sorry for snapping. |
| 15:07.50 | Moleculor | Well I'm not trying to incite a reaction, so yes, you'd most likely be just a wee bit overly sensitive. |
| 15:08.06 | zenzelezz | Moleculor: what she's saying is we have some quality trolls around here, and if you want to join them you'd better shape up. Otherwise be careful |
| 15:08.09 | Moleculor | It's not like anyone here can fix it, and it'd be a terrible idea to do so. |
| 15:08.16 | Moleculor | Hah. |
| 15:08.29 | Wobin | >< |
| 15:08.35 | Wobin | I need about 15 new glyphs |
| 15:08.41 | mikma | wobin: haha |
| 15:08.43 | Wobin | it's going to cost a fortune =P |
| 15:08.48 | ScytheBlade1 | afk school |
| 15:09.05 | haste | Wobin: like 300g? |
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| 15:09.18 | pnorman | I get my glyphs at 5g each |
| 15:09.19 | airtonix | ScytheBlade1, still lists illidian in goldshire |
| 15:09.25 | Moleculor | Glyphs are sooooo cheap on my server. |
| 15:09.27 | airtonix | ScytheBlade1, thottbot that is |
| 15:09.37 | Moleculor | 5g a piece or so. |
| 15:11.42 | amro | Moleculor: it's not something to "fix" really |
| 15:12.00 | Moleculor | ./facepalm |
| 15:12.03 | Moleculor | I know. |
| 15:12.33 | Moleculor | <Moleculor> It's not like anyone here can fix it, and it'd be a terrible idea to do so. |
| 15:12.40 | Seerah | just an fyi, the website's being rebooted |
| 15:12.49 | Wobin | haste: I have about 1k gold on my characters now |
| 15:12.53 | Wobin | thanks to dual speccing =P |
| 15:12.57 | Wobin | and training |
| 15:14.41 | zenzelezz | eyes Seerah. Y siet not werk? |
| 15:14.50 | pnorman | For me it was pre-3.1 auctions |
| 15:14.50 | haste | I blame mikma. |
| 15:15.01 | mikma | :D |
| 15:15.28 | Seerah | waves something shiny in front of zenzelezz |
| 15:15.34 | mikma | yey for wowi crashing down |
| 15:16.08 | Nuckin | anyone played with UnitBuff() post 3.1? it seems that isMine is always throwing true |
| 15:20.37 | nevcairiel | its not always true |
| 15:20.42 | nevcairiel | its never true, to be exact |
| 15:20.49 | nevcairiel | its a string now |
| 15:21.06 | nevcairiel | isMine is now caster, the unit id who casted that |
| 15:21.18 | Seerah | Are you just doing a if ifMine then do ... end thing, Nuckin? |
| 15:21.27 | Seerah | then it will always be true |
| 15:21.38 | Seerah | because you're just checking *if* it has a value, not what the value is |
| 15:22.12 | Nuckin | Seerah: yes, i am, it was boolean value |
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| 15:22.23 | Nuckin | well there's more more to change |
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| 15:23.22 | Nuckin | did they alteast make it so isMine can see if its your pet's or your vehicle's? |
| 15:23.26 | Seerah | Nuckin: yeah, that used to work :) |
| 15:23.29 | Seerah | yep |
| 15:23.39 | Seerah | one of the big UI changes for 3.1 :) |
| 15:24.00 | AckisWork | isMine should change so that it plays "mine mine mine" from the seagulls in finding nemo |
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| 15:24.13 | Seerah | huggles Ackis |
| 15:24.19 | Seerah | and AckisWork |
| 15:24.20 | Gnarfoz | far more interesting about 3.1 |
| 15:24.23 | AckisWork | hi Seerah |
| 15:24.24 | Nuckin | Seerah: thanks for the info! now i can to what i always wanted! |
| 15:24.30 | Gnarfoz | did they give us a way to do what the blizz raid ui does for vehicles? |
| 15:24.33 | AckisWork | did I do something wrong again? |
| 15:24.35 | AckisWork | :( |
| 15:24.41 | Gnarfoz | I'm guessing they didn't since Grid doesn't have it? :X |
| 15:25.04 | Seerah | AckisWork: no - I love the seagulls :P |
| 15:25.14 | Seerah | was grid updated for it? |
| 15:25.32 | Seerah | wait, sorry |
| 15:25.40 | Seerah | what does the blizz raid UI do for vehicles? |
| 15:26.04 | pnorman | works auto-magically |
| 15:26.17 | Nuckin | FYI you can steal blizzard UI code to do things |
| 15:26.48 | Nuckin | thats the only way i got blizzard cooldown objects to work how i wanted :) |
| 15:27.07 | pnorman | when you click on someone in raid frames it selects the vehicle |
| 15:27.34 | AckisWork | so last night, I pulled a hamster out of the cage... it pooped on me 3 times and bit me about 5 times :( |
| 15:28.00 | AckisWork | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1626/ |
| 15:29.09 | Seerah | o.O |
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| 15:30.46 | AckisWork | yah I'm going to hell for laughing at that |
| 15:31.00 | Funkeh` | did wowi go down? it didn't seem like it was under any stress |
| 15:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah said it was being rebooted. |
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| 15:32.50 | Nuckin | eek, WoWI has crashed again =/ |
| 15:33.06 | Funkeh` | rebooted? is it running windows 98? |
| 15:33.10 | Lopeppeppy | Or is it still being rebooted. |
| 15:33.16 | Kissy | Funkeh`: Windows ME. |
| 15:33.37 | nicoli_s | oh god |
| 15:33.40 | Nuckin | Kissy: F*ckin Windows 98!!! |
| 15:33.43 | aesir | Microsoft Bob. "Hi!" |
| 15:34.05 | Nuckin | You said it would be faster! with more access to the internet! |
| 15:34.27 | Funkeh` | lol that was a brilliant clip from South Park |
| 15:34.52 | Seerah | huggles Funkeh` |
| 15:35.03 | Funkeh` | huggles Seerah |
| 15:35.32 | Seerah | there's a slight problem with something on the server (I'm not so smart as to what it exactly is) and dolby's trying to fix it |
| 15:35.37 | Seerah | had to take it down again |
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| 15:37.09 | Nuckin | Seerah: question about premium subcription, does it auto-renew when the subscription is up? |
| 15:37.30 | Seerah | umm... sec |
| 15:37.58 | Nuckin | Seerah: no all my questions can be as easy as isMine =P |
| 15:38.05 | Seerah | :P |
| 15:38.14 | nicoli_s | nuckin, not everything about it has been finalized |
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| 15:39.18 | Seerah | Nuckin: http://www.zam.com/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions_(Support)#Premium_Issues It's in that FAQ :) |
| 15:39.20 | Seerah | yes |
| 15:39.43 | nicoli_s | oh you mean for zam premium |
| 15:39.45 | AckisWork | Seerah: that link fails for me |
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| 15:40.13 | Seerah | ~lart AckisWork |
| 15:40.13 | purl | takes out AckisWork with the trash |
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| 15:42.39 | Shirik | tackles everyone |
| 15:42.44 | Shirik | since I already got Lopeppeppy earlier today |
| 15:42.56 | Lopeppeppy | You make it sound like a one-time deal! |
| 15:43.04 | Kissy | flails!~ |
| 15:43.11 | Seerah | tickles Shirik |
| 15:43.14 | Shirik | don't worry Lopeppeppy you're included in "everyone" |
| 15:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, rawr then. |
| 15:44.20 | Nuckin | Seerah: thanks :) |
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| 15:45.02 | TecnoBrat | ckknight, you guys are aware of the curse client crashing at the exact time it normally uploads your profile to wowdb right? :) |
| 15:45.18 | ckknight | yes, TecnoBrat, and in my opinion, it's absolute horseshit |
| 15:45.18 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: already passed that on :P |
| 15:45.22 | ckknight | but that's just me. |
| 15:45.35 | TecnoBrat | ckknight, what do you mean? |
| 15:45.42 | ckknight | that it's broken |
| 15:45.44 | ckknight | I don't work on it |
| 15:45.49 | ckknight | I just code wowace/curseforge |
| 15:45.49 | TecnoBrat | ahhh |
| 15:46.12 | TecnoBrat | AckisWork, :) |
| 15:46.40 | airtonix | what is the curse client coded in? .net? |
| 15:46.57 | AckisWork | basic |
| 15:47.02 | airtonix | lulz |
| 15:47.52 | ckknight | airtonix: C++ with wxWidgets |
| 15:48.03 | ckknight | though that may change (hopefully) |
| 15:48.05 | ckknight | wxWidgets sucks. |
| 15:48.12 | Stan_ | to what? QT? |
| 15:48.15 | ckknight | yea |
| 15:48.17 | Shirik | You don't like wxWidgets? |
| 15:48.18 | Stan_ | ++! |
| 15:48.19 | ckknight | that's the hopeful idea |
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| 15:48.53 | Nuckin | ckknight: QT with C++ is awesome-sauce |
| 15:48.54 | ckknight | Shirik: no, too many OS-related issues. It acts differently based on your OS, so it has to be tested and debugged far more thoroughly than what Qt would have to be |
| 15:49.04 | ckknight | also, Qt is far better supported, tested, etc. |
| 15:49.09 | Shirik | I personally don't use wxWidgets so I wouldn't know |
| 15:49.11 | ckknight | especially with Nokia backing it now |
| 15:49.14 | Shirik | I've just heard good things about it from a friend |
| 15:49.38 | Stan_ | gogo curse client on phones! |
| 15:49.39 | Esine | wxWidgets is horrible. They break ABI compatiblity with just about every release |
| 15:49.42 | ckknight | comparing Qt 4.5 to wxWidgets, wxWidgets has little to nothing over Qt |
| 15:49.57 | ckknight | the major issue before was licensing |
| 15:49.57 | Esine | also Qt has a lot more stuff in it than just GUI |
| 15:49.59 | Adys | weeeee GUI fights |
| 15:50.00 | ckknight | now that's a non-issue |
| 15:50.07 | Adys | wxWidgets apps are nice |
| 15:50.14 | Adys | but coding with it is hell from what i saw |
| 15:50.19 | ckknight | Adys: yea. |
| 15:50.28 | Esine | Adys, how do you like having two versions (unicode and non-unicode) of wxwidgets installed? |
| 15:50.36 | Adys | i dont |
| 15:50.42 | Adys | no idea what you're on about |
| 15:50.51 | Esine | because that's what you have to do when half of your apps use unicode and half don't and they are binary incompatible |
| 15:51.06 | Esine | that is, the wxWiget library is |
| 15:51.16 | Adys | i got a bunch of wx apps and it seems they all use unicode |
| 15:51.25 | Adys | because thats not the case here and never been |
| 15:51.31 | Adys | nethertheless |
| 15:51.33 | Adys | i can only speak about pyqt as a dev |
| 15:51.39 | Adys | and it fucking wins |
| 15:51.41 | Shirik | Well, slightly OT but |
| 15:51.45 | Shirik | KDE 4 is bad-ass |
| 15:51.47 | Esine | well QT is nice |
| 15:51.48 | ckknight | Adys: hehe |
| 15:51.50 | Shirik | and that's built on Qt so |
| 15:52.06 | Adys | Shirik: gnome is awesome, and it's built on gtk |
| 15:52.10 | Shirik | Gnome is shit |
| 15:52.16 | Adys | why? |
| 15:52.20 | Shirik | Because it's ugly! |
| 15:52.25 | Shirik | Yes, I like shiney |
| 15:52.32 | Adys | thats why I themed it nicely |
| 15:52.35 | Adys | looks great here |
| 15:52.46 | ckknight | I prefer Gtk+ on Linux, but for cross-platform, Gtk+ is absolutely unsuitable |
| 15:52.56 | Esine | you guys still use a DE? :) |
| 15:53.08 | Adys | don't be that guy |
| 15:53.28 | Adys | also I dont know, Qt apps tend to "feel" more.. ishy |
| 15:53.35 | Adys | ishey? |
| 15:53.36 | Stan_ | I hate gtk stuff on windows..yes you, pidgin! |
| 15:53.37 | Nuckin | ckknight: other projects pull off GTK+ on windows/mac/linux |
| 15:53.44 | jnwhiteh | i hate the users on curse =( |
| 15:53.53 | Nuckin | Stan_: i <3 pidgin :) |
| 15:53.56 | Adys | Nuckin: use xchat or pidgin on windows, or gimp |
| 15:53.58 | jnwhiteh | one just told me to "please probe myself" |
| 15:54.02 | ckknight | Nuckin: Gtk+ doesn't work on Mac OS X. The native Aqua version has severe issues |
| 15:54.03 | theorbtwo | ckknight: Gimp and pidgin both seem to do pretty well shipping gtk on win32. |
| 15:54.17 | Adys | its not because they do well shipping |
| 15:54.20 | Adys | they look horrid |
| 15:54.22 | Adys | they look SHIT |
| 15:54.23 | Nuckin | Adys: GIMP sucks on windows for other reasons lol |
| 15:54.30 | Adys | GIMP sucks |
| 15:54.32 | ckknight | theorbtwo: yea, notice how Gimp under OS X requires X11 to be installed and Pidgin isn't even supported on OS X |
| 15:54.37 | Kissy | GIMP sucks in general. |
| 15:54.42 | theorbtwo | ckknight: Right. Cross that platform. |
| 15:54.50 | Adys | ~rimshot |
| 15:54.51 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 15:54.53 | theorbtwo | I have almost no experince with osx. |
| 15:55.03 | ckknight | well, for the Curse Client, we have to support Windows and OS X |
| 15:55.06 | Adys | theorbtwo: you sound like a WAR advertiser |
| 15:55.06 | Nuckin | Kissy: that hurts, i love my GIMP |
| 15:55.08 | durcyn | ckknight: i thought there was a cocoa version of gimp |
| 15:55.13 | durcyn | gimpshop, or somesuch |
| 15:55.17 | ckknight | durcyn: yea, I've used it. It absolutely sucks |
| 15:55.27 | ckknight | crashy |
| 15:55.30 | ckknight | nothing looks native |
| 15:55.47 | Adys | pidgin sucks balls, gimp sucks too |
| 15:55.58 | Adys | xchat is actually a decent program |
| 15:56.12 | Nuckin | Pidgin on windows works fine, It looks like a native app |
| 15:56.22 | amro | xchat wouldn't be bad if it didn't suck |
| 15:56.47 | Nuckin | amro: lol you have said something without saying anything |
| 15:56.54 | ckknight | Gtk+ doesn't look native on Windows, even |
| 15:56.55 | Adys | nethertheless if you have the braincells required to split aesthetics and usage |
| 15:57.02 | Adys | youll know that gtk+ looks shit |
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| 15:57.20 | amro | Nuckin: I said it sucks |
| 15:57.26 | Adys | and that pidgin or gimp, as much as they suck as-is, also suck because of gtk |
| 15:57.37 | Kissy | GTK+ does look crappy most of the time, even in Linux. |
| 15:57.44 | theorbtwo | I find it interesting that people care if gtk under win32 looks native or not, when so many apps go out of their way to not look native. |
| 15:57.47 | amro | GTK+ code looks even crappier |
| 15:57.48 | Kissy | They match the rest of Linux, which makes sense though. :P |
| 15:58.03 | amro | Qt looks better |
| 15:58.15 | theorbtwo | In any case, unless you actively don't use the theming engine on xp, it does look native. |
| 15:58.28 | theorbtwo | (I do turn off the theming engine, but I don't care.) |
| 15:59.09 | Adys | dude |
| 15:59.17 | Adys | stop sucking around with theming engines |
| 15:59.17 | zenzelezz | <theorbtwo> I find it interesting that people care if gtk under win32 looks native or not, when so many apps go out of their way to not look native. <--- overall, the amount of programs that try to look custom is pretty low, and only a few pull it off well |
| 15:59.26 | AckisWork | ckknight: http://www.curse.com/forums/t/89684.aspx |
| 15:59.35 | Adys | you shouldnt have to go your way to make an app look good |
| 15:59.41 | Adys | guis should take care of that |
| 15:59.41 | zenzelezz | like I said the other day, I run µTorrent in Wine simply because it looks so utterly clean compared to other torrent clients |
| 15:59.57 | theorbtwo | Adys: I meant the theming engine built into the native win32 gui. |
| 16:00.03 | Adys | so ? |
| 16:00.04 | Nuckin | well, i find that it really comes down to this, if you're writing your app in C and on Linux, use GTK, Any other platform and C++, use Qt lol |
| 16:00.09 | amro | the one that doesn't do much? |
| 16:00.14 | Adys | the user shouldnt have to do ANYTHING |
| 16:00.28 | amro | Nuckin: if you're writing a user application in C, stop now |
| 16:00.32 | Adys | and who writes gui apps in c? |
| 16:00.38 | zenzelezz | Adys: are you talking end-user or the user of the OS's GUI APIs? |
| 16:00.43 | theorbtwo | Adys: Exactly. I *did* go out of my way to turn it off. |
| 16:00.44 | Adys | im talking end user |
| 16:00.50 | zenzelezz | ok, then I agree |
| 16:02.00 | theorbtwo | Adys: I write gui apps in perl. Using GTK. |
| 16:02.00 | Kaelten | how goes it? |
| 16:02.00 | Adys | you write gui apps in perl? |
| 16:02.00 | zenzelezz | theorbtwo: that just proves you're a masochist |
| 16:02.00 | Adys | sorry gonna be busy ignoring your opinion |
| 16:02.01 | Nuckin | amro: I don't, but most linux applications are in C |
| 16:02.01 | amro | Nuckin: gnome applications maybe |
| 16:02.01 | Adys | yeah gnome apps |
| 16:02.01 | Adys | they shouldnt be |
| 16:02.01 | Adys | i mean |
| 16:02.05 | Adys | come on, half the shit coded in c isnt worth the effort |
| 16:02.13 | theorbtwo | Writing applications in a low-level language like C or C++ is just silly. |
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| 16:02.20 | amro | C++ is not a low level language |
| 16:02.22 | Nuckin | amro: well yea |
| 16:02.23 | Adys | c++ isnt low lvl |
| 16:02.25 | Kaelten | theorbtwo: yes, yes it is |
| 16:02.34 | nevcairiel | C++ isnt "high-level" either |
| 16:02.35 | zenzelezz | theorbtwo: and perl is better? |
| 16:02.35 | Kaelten | Adys: compared to any modern language, yes it is. |
| 16:02.46 | amro | nevcairiel: indeed, but it's far higher than C |
| 16:02.54 | Nuckin | C++ is the bastard child of bad form and horrid syntax |
| 16:02.54 | Adys | im comparing with the other language that's been written in that sentence |
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| 16:02.56 | Adys | "c and c++" |
| 16:03.00 | amro | Kaelten: you heard of the STL right? |
| 16:03.10 | Kaelten | amro: yeah, sucks kinda bad from my usage |
| 16:03.12 | Shirik | C++ is a great language |
| 16:03.17 | Shirik | It just lets you shoot yourself in the foot |
| 16:03.17 | theorbtwo | GTK took a careful look at C++, decided it wasn't terribly well-suited, and created their own object model. Not a terribly normal thing to do, but not terribly insane either. |
| 16:03.18 | amro | Kaelten: you fail at its usage |
| 16:03.22 | Shirik | And for some reason people don't like it |
| 16:03.28 | Jamash | Shirik: FOR ME TO POOP ON |
| 16:03.30 | Kaelten | amro: not really. |
| 16:03.34 | zenzelezz | Shirik: let them vent some hatred, we know the true path |
| 16:03.36 | amro | Shirik: people don't like it because they misuse it |
| 16:03.42 | amro | and then think it's bad |
| 16:03.44 | Shirik | amro: That's what I meant to say :) |
| 16:03.58 | Shirik | Funny thing |
| 16:03.58 | theorbtwo | The point is that writing a GTK app in C isn't the same as writing a random app in C. Basing it on gtk, and glib, gives you a lot of extra ooey-ness. |
| 16:04.06 | Shirik | A lot of critical components in aircraft are written in C++ |
| 16:04.08 | theorbtwo | ooeyness that is, in many ways, better thought out then C's. |
| 16:04.10 | Adys | I wish people who misused wow would stop playing |
| 16:04.12 | Shirik | Are you going to stop flying now? |
| 16:04.18 | nevcairiel | GTK itself is damn ugly, why use it =P |
| 16:04.18 | Adys | c++ should consider itself lucky |
| 16:04.21 | Jamash | Shirik: yes. |
| 16:04.22 | Kaelten | amro: I don't like C++, I would much prefer to be using obj-c, python, or even C# |
| 16:04.26 | Shirik | (granted, it's a subset of C++, but still) |
| 16:04.39 | Adys | Kaelten: different languages for different purposes |
| 16:04.41 | zenzelezz | ew, I really don't like Objective-C |
| 16:04.43 | amro | Kaelten: except that those are different languages for different purposes |
| 16:04.49 | nevcairiel | Obj-C is so weird |
| 16:04.51 | amro | Kaelten: that's like comparing C and lua |
| 16:04.53 | Adys | amro: we should have sex |
| 16:04.53 | Kaelten | Shirik: no, it's possible to write good code in a bad language. |
| 16:05.03 | Shirik | Only 3 languages are approved for critical components in aircraft: C, C++, and Ada |
| 16:05.06 | Kaelten | amro: no it's not all three of those languages are usable for writing desktop applications. |
| 16:05.10 | amro | Adys: again? yesterday wasn't enough? |
| 16:05.15 | nevcairiel | amro: if you write a GUI App in C++, you could as well use C# |
| 16:05.21 | nevcairiel | whats the different purpose now? |
| 16:05.21 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:05.21 | Adys | yesterday was merely a setback |
| 16:05.23 | amro | Kaelten: depends what kind of application |
| 16:05.30 | theorbtwo | Shirik: I expect that has more to do with the auditors then any real features of those languages. |
| 16:05.35 | amro | Kaelten: if you don't consider them to be sufficiently different... just stop now |
| 16:05.37 | Kaelten | amro: my concern is with desktop gui applications. |
| 16:05.39 | Shirik | It's due to law, really |
| 16:05.51 | Adys | Kaelten: there is not "one specific need and thats all" |
| 16:05.54 | Shirik | Ada has features which used to make it the ONLY language |
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| 16:06.01 | amro | Kaelten: then you should say "I'd rather build a GUI in C# than C++", much clearer |
| 16:06.08 | amro | Kaelten: and I'd agree with you there |
| 16:06.15 | theorbtwo | C, for example, is *notoriously* hard to write correct code in. Buffer overflows are almost completely a non-problem in almost any modern language. |
| 16:06.18 | ckknight | let's do it in Ruby using Shoes |
| 16:06.20 | ckknight | I know you want to |
| 16:06.24 | Shirik | then as more and more people learned C and C++ it was determined that it was possible to make a safe subset of C and C++ |
| 16:06.26 | Jamash | Some people used APL and compiled it to Ada |
| 16:06.29 | ckknight | http://shoooes.net/ |
| 16:06.48 | Shirik | Jamash, you won't have tracability if you do that, and it won't be approved |
| 16:06.51 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: how come Kaelten didn't get an exclamation mark like other people do? |
| 16:07.03 | Jamash | Shirik: What does that even mean |
| 16:07.15 | Nuckin | theorbtwo: thats because most modern languages are interpreted or partially interpreted which means another program is managing your memory |
| 16:07.31 | Shirik | Jamash: For example: no dynamic memory allocation |
| 16:07.48 | theorbtwo | Nuckin: Not strictly interpreted, but yes, in essence. So? |
| 16:08.09 | Jamash | Shirik: I'm not telling you this in theory, I'm telling you that it's actual factual practice |
| 16:08.12 | zenzelezz | re. languages: http://burningbird.net/writing/the-parable-of-the-languages/ -- I still get a kick out of that |
| 16:08.17 | Shirik | huh? |
| 16:08.21 | Shirik | Are we talking about two things right now? |
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| 16:08.27 | Adys | "factual practice" |
| 16:08.28 | Shirik | Oh the APL -> Ada thing |
| 16:08.32 | Adys | i like that |
| 16:08.35 | Shirik | You cannot do that |
| 16:08.42 | Shirik | Your code will fail verification steps |
| 16:08.43 | Shirik | period |
| 16:08.43 | Adys | sounds like "factual theory" |
| 16:08.47 | Shirik | If you go around it, you're breaking the law |
| 16:08.53 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain Boeing doesn't do that |
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| 16:09.06 | Nuckin | theorbtwo: if you manage your own memory well, you can make programs that are more efficient, which means you can't use interpreted languages for EVERYTHING |
| 16:09.22 | Jamash | Shirik: People *did*, don't tell me "you cannot do that" |
| 16:09.22 | kamdis | Cairenn/Kaelten, FYI. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16474327736&sid=1 Don't know if this is a user not understanding or WM having broken through the defenses. |
| 16:09.40 | Shirik | There are reasons that Ada is desired. The #1 reason is because of the language's strictness |
| 16:10.00 | theorbtwo | Nuckin: True. If you manage your memory well. However, that means you need to spend a lot of effort managing memory carefully, rather then solving the problem you were working on in the first place. |
| 16:10.02 | Shirik | Jamash: Prove to me that they did. I have specific training on these requirements so right now I have no reason to believe that it's been done |
| 16:10.09 | theorbtwo | Sometimes, it's worth it. Most of the time, it isn't. |
| 16:10.34 | theorbtwo | You can't use interpreted langauges for everything. You can use them for a lot of things, and when you can use them, they tend to be a better option. |
| 16:10.35 | zenzelezz | Shirik: are you sure you're talking about the same "cannot"? |
| 16:10.51 | zenzelezz | as in "impossible" vs. "not allowed"? (not sure I understood both of you) |
| 16:10.53 | theorbtwo | (And, again, "interpreted" is a misnomer, but that's quite tangential to the point.) |
| 16:11.02 | Nuckin | theorbtwo: then we're in agreement, Hello new friend :) |
| 16:11.09 | Shirik | Based on my statement "If you go around it, you're breaking the law" I thought I was clear in what I meant |
| 16:11.30 | theorbtwo | If you compile another language to Ada, surely you get all the saftey of writing it in Ada, becuase you end up with an Ada program... |
| 16:11.35 | Shirik | exactly |
| 16:11.46 | Shirik | and since that's the only reason the FAA loves Ada so much, they won't let you do that |
| 16:11.54 | Shirik | well, that's the biggest reason |
| 16:12.22 | Shirik | the only code generators I'm aware of that have been approved are for C++ |
| 16:12.31 | Shirik | And that's just UML -> Class structure |
| 16:12.52 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Er... why would a code generator need approval? You aren't running the code generator on the airplane, only the generated code. |
| 16:13.01 | Shirik | Because you didn't write the code yourself |
| 16:13.15 | Shirik | So the code generator is another step in your tracability |
| 16:13.21 | Shirik | and FAA requires full tracability through approved tools |
| 16:14.10 | Adys | STOP |
| 16:14.10 | Nuckin | what are we arguing about again? i forgot |
| 16:14.12 | Adys | pony time |
| 16:14.15 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6JnAxTXApw&feature=related |
| 16:14.18 | Shirik | Now I should balk on saying that, in actuality if you write your own code generator, that would be permitted |
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| 16:14.30 | Shirik | But then you would also have to get your code generator to be part of your "code" for tracing |
| 16:14.37 | Shirik | so you don't avoid the approval step |
| 16:14.48 | Shirik | but now we're just talking loopholes |
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| 16:15.35 | Gnarfoz | <@Seerah> what does the blizz raid UI do for vehicles? <pnorman> when you click on someone in raid frames it selects the vehicle <-- to be precise: the blizz raid UI switches which units a secure frame points to, *in combat* |
| 16:15.36 | jnwhiteh | ooh android saga |
| 16:15.37 | Shirik | Fact of the matter is, I really need to learn Ada fully |
| 16:15.48 | Shirik | I only know enough about it to know it's an insanely strict language |
| 16:15.59 | jnwhiteh | thankfully trunks is around now, he makes the show so much more interesting |
| 16:16.06 | foxlit | wowi is a perma-500 :( |
| 16:16.12 | Shirik | foxlit: Looking into it |
| 16:16.15 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Hm, I think I see. They don't audit your code, they audit that you wrote the code using some sort of approved methodology. |
| 16:16.25 | Jamash | ADA is known as a bondage-and-discipline programming language |
| 16:16.25 | Adys | foxlit: your mom is over 500 |
| 16:16.34 | Shirik | Exactly, theorbtwo |
| 16:16.35 | Fisker- | oh yeah? |
| 16:16.41 | Shirik | now that implies that you have to do your own internal reviews of code, etc. |
| 16:16.49 | foxlit | Except the list. By the looks of it, it just blocks everything php-like |
| 16:17.06 | Seerah | yeah, you guys can stop trying to refresh the site. We'll let you know when it gets fixed |
| 16:17.15 | theorbtwo | That seems a bit silly, but then again, we *are* talking about the government. |
| 16:17.19 | Tem|work | jnwhiteh: we went to go see Dragonball Evolution last weekend |
| 16:17.23 | Shirik | don't you love the government :) |
| 16:17.31 | jnwhiteh | Tem|work: i'm excited for it to come out over here |
| 16:17.41 | Tem|work | jnwhiteh: it was so terrible we decided that we'd gone to Hanna Montanna instead |
| 16:17.46 | Taladris | Seerah: Spamming f5 doesn't make it start working faster? |
| 16:17.47 | jnwhiteh | hahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 16:17.55 | Tem|work | so if you ask me IRL what movie I saw last friday? " |
| 16:18.00 | Tem|work | Hanna Montanna" |
| 16:18.02 | Nechckn_AFK | Someone has to pay my check, Shirik, so, yes. |
| 16:18.04 | Shirik | But when you begin to consider the industry average for writing aerospace-application code, that they have a 1 loc/hr average |
| 16:18.16 | Shirik | You get an appreciation for how much work they do |
| 16:18.18 | Shirik | just to make sure it's right |
| 16:18.31 | Seerah | Tem|work: did you sing along? :) |
| 16:18.38 | Seerah | Taladris: :P |
| 16:18.41 | Lopeppeppy | sings along |
| 16:18.41 | Tem|work | no |
| 16:18.43 | Jamash | Dragonball Evolution: Hair not spiky enough |
| 16:18.45 | Tem|work | but my drunk friend did |
| 16:18.58 | Shirik | Tem: .... |
| 16:18.59 | Shirik | why |
| 16:19.00 | Shirik | WHY |
| 16:19.01 | Tem|work | I just groaned at "The first rule is: there are no rules" |
| 16:19.05 | Shirik | would you do that to yourself |
| 16:19.14 | Tem|work | *loudy* |
| 16:19.48 | theorbtwo | Shirik: I think that gives me more of an appreciation of how hard it is to change ingrained procedures that have an obstensively good reason for existing. |
| 16:19.53 | Tem|work | If you've ever wondered what having your inner child raped feels like, see DB:E |
| 16:20.13 | Kallieen | Note to self: avoid DB:E |
| 16:20.14 | Jamash | it wasn't as bad as Legend of Chun-Li |
| 16:20.20 | jnwhiteh | now i HAVE to go see it =) |
| 16:20.34 | Shirik | theorbtwo: I'm actually taking a software project management course with a project manager from Boeing right now, and some of the changes he's made are quite impressive :) They lead the industry at 5 loc/hr right now |
| 16:20.42 | Shirik | he has some interesting topics for discussion though |
| 16:20.56 | jnwhiteh | yeah we wanna see DB:E and SF |
| 16:20.59 | jnwhiteh | just cause |
| 16:21.13 | Tem|work | It's _really_ important to note at this point that it's not one of those movies that's so bad it's funny |
| 16:21.17 | Tem|work | it's so bad that it hurts |
| 16:21.26 | Kallieen | Yeesh |
| 16:21.31 | Kallieen | One of those? |
| 16:21.45 | Vilkku | does anyone know if there is some setting in Prat to get back old functionality of PlayerNames (mainly the coloring)? |
| 16:21.55 | Tem|work | I was in physical pain every time Yamcha was on screen |
| 16:22.12 | Tem|work | also every time goku had something to say |
| 16:22.15 | Kallieen | :( |
| 16:22.22 | sylvanaar | which playernames |
| 16:22.22 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 16:22.26 | Tem|work | Oh |
| 16:22.33 | Vilkku | sylvanaar, hello, hang on |
| 16:22.34 | jnwhiteh | i am working my way through all of DBZ |
| 16:22.49 | kneeki | Would I use UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE and UNIT_EXITED_VEHICLE to know when to show & hide buttons for when the players enter vehicles that bring up the vehicle bar? And if so, how do I make it secure so the buttons are not causing taint? |
| 16:22.52 | Tem|work | and Bulma and Chi Chi are best described like this: "HEY GOKU LOOK I HAVE BREASTS" |
| 16:23.02 | Kallieen | HAHAHA, so true |
| 16:23.11 | jnwhiteh | Tem|work: *giggle like schoolgirl* |
| 16:23.20 | Vilkku | We have a paladin called Please in the guild. I got PlayerNames enabled in Prat, and it colors the name of the players, as you very well know. |
| 16:23.26 | jnwhiteh | its been so long since ive seen most of these, but its fun =) |
| 16:23.39 | Kallieen | I loved the first Dragonball series |
| 16:23.43 | Vilkku | [Shaman]: Come here, please. |
| 16:23.45 | Vilkku | eh |
| 16:23.48 | Vilkku | I messed that up |
| 16:23.50 | Kallieen | DBZ....was hit or miss |
| 16:23.52 | Vilkku | [Shaman]: Come here, please. |
| 16:24.26 | Vilkku | and wth |
| 16:24.29 | Vilkku | I found the option now |
| 16:24.46 | Vilkku | why do I always find these *after* asking? D: |
| 16:24.56 | Tem|work | kneeki: what you're describing sounds like a really bleh solution. Is it some kind of compromise you've made in your mind because you don't think what you really want is possible? |
| 16:25.05 | Kallieen | That's the way it always works for me too Vilkku :) |
| 16:25.14 | kneeki | Tem|work: I don't think so. |
| 16:25.29 | kneeki | I just want my buttons to not be shown (like the actions bars are not shown) when the player enters a vehicle |
| 16:25.37 | kneeki | Am I taking the wrong approach? |
| 16:26.05 | Tem|work | oh you're talking about action bar buttons |
| 16:26.30 | AckisWork | Shirik: do you know an app for the blackberry that will let me bid on ebay shit? |
| 16:26.34 | kneeki | The buttons I'm hiding are not actual action bar buttons, but look like them. So it looks really odd w hen they are showing while the player is in a vehicle (and cannot cast them anyway) |
| 16:26.35 | Shirik | lol no |
| 16:26.45 | Shirik | I do mostly work on my blackberry so haven't been looking around for apps |
| 16:26.47 | Shirik | sorry :( |
| 16:26.50 | Shirik | My brother might know |
| 16:26.55 | Tem|work | kneeki: are they secure frames |
| 16:26.57 | Tem|work | ? |
| 16:27.03 | kneeki | Yup |
| 16:27.06 | Tem|work | okay |
| 16:27.06 | Tem|work | so |
| 16:27.13 | AckisWork | Shirik: pfft what's the point of having it then? :P lol |
| 16:27.16 | Tem|work | what you want is some secure environment magic |
| 16:27.22 | kneeki | inherits="SecureActionButtonTemplate, SecureHandlerDragTemplate" |
| 16:27.31 | Shirik | AckisWork: To make my professors stop yelling at me for not responding to emails :( |
| 16:27.40 | AckisWork | lol |
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| 16:29.38 | AckisWork | omg how the hell did my name get put as the contact for a survey that was sent out to about 6000 employees.... |
| 16:29.58 | kamdis | oof |
| 16:30.00 | Tem|work | kneeki: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11162847431&sid=1 is the thread that will help you use the secure handlers to accomplish what you need |
| 16:30.05 | Adys | it was probably typed |
| 16:30.12 | AckisWork | Adys: I hate you |
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| 16:30.27 | AbsolutRayne | Morningh |
| 16:31.08 | kneeki | Tem|work: Thanks! |
| 16:31.19 | Kallieen | AckisWork: Have you seen the eBay Wireless app? http://tinyurl.com/dncgnu if you want to look at it |
| 16:31.36 | AckisWork | Kallieen: nope, looking now ty |
| 16:32.11 | Kallieen | :D np |
| 16:32.53 | Tem|work | kneeki: you'll probably need a SecureHandlerStateTemplate frame registered to care about the existance of your pet unit |
| 16:33.08 | Tem|work | then you can use UnitHasVehicleUI in the handler |
| 16:33.12 | Tem|work | to hide/show |
| 16:33.40 | kneeki | hmm |
| 16:34.13 | Tem|work | if you can, it's probably easiest if all the buttons you want to hide/show are children of the SecureHandlerStateTemplate frame |
| 16:34.24 | Tem|work | then you can just hide/show it when you want to hide/show them |
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| 16:34.53 | kneeki | yeah? |
| 16:35.02 | kneeki | I'll try that... |
| 16:35.05 | foxlit | the grizzly hills trading posts are a conspiracy |
| 16:35.23 | foxlit | "go to xyz post" "You'll know which one that is because... you won't" |
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| 16:35.57 | kneeki | Tem|work: So I would be able to use: /script button:Hide()' while in combat if I used SecureHandlerStateTemplate? |
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| 16:36.06 | AckisWork | Shirik: heh the last blackberry I used was a 6750 |
| 16:36.36 | Kaelten | Ok wowmatrix is starting to host their own addons now |
| 16:36.37 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 16:36.46 | Lopeppeppy | Kaelten, interesting. |
| 16:36.47 | jnwhiteh | Adobe Lightroom, or Aperture? |
| 16:36.49 | Kallieen | Hrm |
| 16:36.49 | Kaelten | http://oscar5.wowmatrix.com/addons/Omen.3.0.7.zip |
| 16:36.51 | jnwhiteh | Kaelten: which ones? |
| 16:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | With or without author permission? |
| 16:36.55 | Kallieen | Oh my |
| 16:37.00 | Shirik | without, Lopeppeppy |
| 16:37.02 | jnwhiteh | I'll hit them as hard as I can once LH goes up |
| 16:37.06 | Kaelten | http://oscar5.wowmatrix.com/addons/Cartographer.2.5.1.zip |
| 16:37.11 | Shirik | Omen in particular is bad |
| 16:37.29 | mikma | is it the MSBT or WoW that makes those aggro-sounds now? |
| 16:37.31 | Shirik | But now it's undeniable they're violating law |
| 16:37.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, not cool. Anyone have a link to the cease and desist letter that people usually use? |
| 16:37.47 | Kaelten | and it looks like they're hosting at the planet still |
| 16:37.55 | Tem|work | kneeki: kind of. Read the thread I linked and it should be more clear |
| 16:37.57 | Kaelten | jnwhiteh: LH is still unreachable |
| 16:38.04 | Kallieen | http://www.wowinterface.com/storage/faq/DMCAtakedown.doc |
| 16:38.11 | jnwhiteh | Kaelten: aye |
| 16:38.14 | jnwhiteh | i keep checking |
| 16:38.23 | kneeki | Tem|work: Thanks for all your help =) |
| 16:38.28 | Kaelten | yeah, I expect their list of infringements to grow |
| 16:38.28 | Tem|work | kneeki: also this which is linked in the thread: http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide%20-%20pre1.pdf |
| 16:38.50 | Kaelten | because their "database" is a hypercard stack of methods to get |
| 16:38.55 | Kaelten | it's all done manually |
| 16:39.06 | jnwhiteh | how long has images.gammatester.com been down? |
| 16:39.09 | Kissy | Ever notice how WoWMatrix never changes their web page or posts news? Kind of annoying to keep track of what they do. :P |
| 16:39.20 | Kallieen | They want to hide it |
| 16:39.31 | Kaelten | Kissy: yeah they've been completely silent |
| 16:39.44 | Lopeppeppy | does not judge today. |
| 16:39.51 | Tem|work | jnwhiteh: I tried to use it yesterday and couldn't |
| 16:40.15 | jnwhiteh | wish someone had told me :P |
| 16:40.49 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: images.gammatester.com is down |
| 16:40.58 | VonhintenHOME` | So, world first Yogg kill, no rogues... depressing |
| 16:41.16 | VonhintenHOME` | That says something right there |
| 16:42.00 | Kallieen | I'm more interested in seeing the hard mode/alagon makeups |
| 16:42.25 | foxlit | I'm not sure WHAT that says, really |
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| 16:42.49 | sylvanaar | Vilkku there is an undocumented blacklist for player names like that |
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| 16:42.53 | Moleculor | Just that they had no rogues online or something. |
| 16:42.58 | Kallieen | Normal isn't hard if you are a world first guild? |
| 16:43.01 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: ping |
| 16:43.06 | AckisWork | Kallieen: that website you linked doesn't have demo's eh? |
| 16:43.09 | Xinhuan | pong |
| 16:43.16 | Vilkku | sylvanaar, interesting, for now I'll just disable showing everywhere |
| 16:43.22 | VonhintenHOME` | Umm... a guild like that uses the best toons |
| 16:43.50 | Kallieen | AckisWork: *shrug* Dunno. :D Just googled 'blackberry ebay app' and followed links until I found something that looked good |
| 16:43.53 | Xinhuan | so i was told yesterday they hosted omen, then this morning they took it down |
| 16:43.57 | Xinhuan | its back up again? |
| 16:44.15 | Lopeppeppy | Click the link, Xinhuan, it downloads for me. |
| 16:44.19 | sylvanaar | Vilkku /script Prat.PlayerNameBlackList["Please"] = true |
| 16:44.58 | Xinhuan | The server at oscar5.wowmatrix.com is taking too long to respond. |
| 16:45.02 | foxlit | VonhintenHOME`: or whatever is most convenient. |
| 16:45.28 | Lopeppeppy | Not for me, Xinhuan, I have a copy of Omen sitting on my desktop that I DL'd after I said that. |
| 16:45.30 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't think convenience is in their strategy |
| 16:45.47 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 16:45.58 | Xinhuan | do you have a copy of that dcma takedown that isn't in DOC format? |
| 16:46.05 | Jamash | these are the sorts of guilds that had 3/4ths of the raid level Leatherworking so they could all use drums |
| 16:46.24 | Jamash | and got my drums nerfed :( |
| 16:46.49 | Kallieen | Xinhuan: What format do you need? I have it open atm and might be able to convert it for you |
| 16:46.54 | Xinhuan | plain text |
| 16:47.08 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: http://oscar5.wowmatrix.com/addons/Omen.3.0.7.zip |
| 16:47.24 | Jamash | Does anyone else think of the big blue guy as Algernon the Watcher? |
| 16:47.28 | sylvanaar | if anyones interested i made a little tool to find event filter addons: http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=273268&postcount=692 |
| 16:47.31 | Xinhuan | i got the link Kaelten, i just can't reach it because... well htat site ping times out for me ;p |
| 16:47.44 | Shirik | Xinhuan: works for me :/ |
| 16:47.46 | Matsy | If someone has it in docx, I'd be grateful too |
| 16:47.56 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: yeah worked for me too |
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| 16:48.05 | Xinhuan | do you email them a DOC file |
| 16:48.06 | Matsy | Can't view .doc files :( |
| 16:48.08 | Xinhuan | or just plain text email |
| 16:48.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v netcurse] by ChanServ |
| 16:48.30 | Shirik | I would advise plain text |
| 16:49.02 | Xinhuan | i'll suggest hosting a copy of the doc in plaintext ;p |
| 16:49.18 | Shirik | I'll poke cair about it when she's awake |
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| 16:49.48 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: with what I forsee coming, I would suggest an applet where you fill in fields and it auto-sends it for you |
| 16:49.56 | Kaelten | We can host it on a knowledge page |
| 16:50.05 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 16:50.07 | Xinhuan | that would be useful hmm |
| 16:50.20 | Xinhuan | but applet LOL |
| 16:50.45 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: I used applet as a generic term |
| 16:50.50 | Kaelten | well we can add a generator to curseforge/wowace |
| 16:51.05 | Kaelten | gods how can people say wowmatrix is faster |
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| 16:51.27 | Kallieen | 'because I only click ONE button, that's how!' >_> |
| 16:51.31 | Kallieen | Or something like that |
| 16:51.42 | Jamash | I don't click any buttons with curse client... |
| 16:51.56 | Xinhuan | oh wut we count button clicks now? |
| 16:52.02 | Kallieen | I do ... when I'm hunting around for new stuffs :D |
| 16:52.07 | Kaelten | don't know but installing stuff just takes forever... |
| 16:52.20 | Kissy | Five minutes for it to scan the AddOns folder to figure out what it needs... Argh. WoWMatrix is slow. :P |
| 16:52.27 | Kallieen | Eww |
| 16:52.39 | NeoTron | someone said curse client was bloated vs the clean and simple wowmatrix |
| 16:52.47 | kamdis | rofl |
| 16:52.51 | Kallieen | hahaha |
| 16:52.54 | NeoTron | so I compared - download size is ~= the same. in memory size ~= the same, curse client = executes and starts faster |
| 16:52.56 | kamdis | my guild LOVES the curse client |
| 16:52.58 | NeoTron | so I was confused |
| 16:53.07 | kamdis | (except the osx 10.4 people) |
| 16:53.12 | Kaelten | kamdis: yeah :( |
| 16:53.26 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, of course you do. People have no alliegence, they just want what makes their life the most easy. You can explain all you want that this is "for the betterment of the community" but in the end, you're not as easy as the other guy... |
| 16:53.28 | kamdis | I told them it's in the works |
| 16:53.43 | foxlit | clearly something is more bloated with functionality :P |
| 16:53.45 | Kissy | I keep considering writing a client for 10.4. >.> |
| 16:55.47 | kamdis | But, the Curse Client *is* easy. |
| 16:56.15 | Kallieen | Yeah, it is. I've been really liking it |
| 16:56.25 | Kissy | Good enough. |
| 16:56.26 | VonhintenHOME` | You're missing the point.. it's not just about CC |
| 16:56.38 | VonhintenHOME` | It's about the fact that most people can't get all their addons from just one place |
| 16:56.40 | nicoli_s | its also about the authors rights |
| 16:56.41 | Kissy | People hate change. |
| 16:57.09 | VonhintenHOME` | It's about not wanting an updater for curse and an updater for wowi |
| 16:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | People hate change. |
| 16:57.47 | Jamash | I love change, it's shiny and clinks. |
| 16:58.06 | theorbtwo | I hate change. It's heavy and makes me need a belt. |
| 16:58.38 | VonhintenHOME` | Other than breaking wowmatrix, I don't see anyone giving a reason to move to the curse or wowi client that people would really care about |
| 16:58.47 | kamdis | It's about laziness. Before the WAU no one to speak of had an updater. |
| 16:58.48 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone thought about a wowmatrix settings importer? |
| 16:59.09 | Kissy | I chose WoWAce for the ease packaging and trouble tickets. I hate the user facing portion of Curse since it is bloated. I prefer the nicer AddOn pages of WoWInterface, but it does have nice packaging or ticketing like WoWAce. This creates a dilemma for where authors host AddOns. |
| 16:59.27 | Kraft | doesnt* ? |
| 16:59.39 | kamdis | back in vanilla we had to walk to Molten Core in the snow, without shoes, uphill both ways too! |
| 16:59.41 | Kissy | *does not |
| 16:59.49 | Jamash | I develop on WoWInterface and host on WoWI, Curse and worldofwar.net |
| 17:00.14 | Kissy | Usually my process is SVN commit to WoWAce, download the package and upload to WoWInterface. |
| 17:02.19 | durcyn | i thought wowi's svn repos had sync capabilities |
| 17:02.29 | jnwhiteh | you can sync a wowi repo onto curse |
| 17:02.35 | jnwhiteh | that's what i do with cliqeu |
| 17:02.49 | mikma | Clinique ;) |
| 17:03.20 | mikma | its Clique with Monty Python -twist |
| 17:04.31 | Jamash | jnwhiteh: how do you do that? |
| 17:04.51 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: do it with tomtom too |
| 17:05.04 | jnwhiteh | AckisWork: to be completely honest, i dont have time to deal with stupid curse users at the moment |
| 17:05.09 | jnwhiteh | Clique has been bad enough |
| 17:05.14 | AckisWork | heh |
| 17:05.23 | jnwhiteh | TomTom would destroy my sanity |
| 17:05.37 | jnwhiteh | and as "convenient" as it would be for everyone else, I'm not the kind of developer who will just pst my addon somewhere without a way to provide support |
| 17:05.46 | jnwhiteh | so until I can actually support the stupid users that are there, I'll leave it as it :P |
| 17:05.49 | netcurse | Jim |
| 17:06.02 | jnwhiteh | (not that i'm not saying all users there are stupid) |
| 17:06.03 | jnwhiteh | but they are there :P |
| 17:06.06 | netcurse | don't allow comments on your page |
| 17:06.13 | netcurse | tell them to use wowinterface |
| 17:06.14 | jnwhiteh | netcurse: thats what I mean tho |
| 17:06.24 | jnwhiteh | I'm not comfortable having orphanware =( |
| 17:06.26 | netcurse | for feedbacks |
| 17:06.30 | Wobin | it would send all the "curse users" to wowi =) |
| 17:06.32 | netcurse | so you ll filter all the bad one |
| 17:06.41 | jnwhiteh | this is all just right now |
| 17:06.44 | jnwhiteh | I can't even breathe for another week =) |
| 17:06.56 | Moleculor | Not all addons are on WoWUI. |
| 17:07.00 | jnwhiteh | netcurse: those bad ones cause problems too tho, not something I like |
| 17:07.29 | jnwhiteh | As I said tho, I do plan to post it there |
| 17:07.35 | jnwhiteh | I just have to move slowly right now due to everything else irl |
| 17:07.35 | Kissy | jnwhiteh = TomTom? |
| 17:07.40 | jnwhiteh | well no |
| 17:07.42 | jnwhiteh | TomTOm is an addon |
| 17:07.44 | jnwhiteh | I am a human |
| 17:07.46 | jnwhiteh | but I am the author |
| 17:07.49 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:07.50 | Kissy | In general. :P |
| 17:07.59 | Kissy | I love your crazy arrow, thank you. :O |
| 17:09.41 | jnwhiteh | hehe glad you enjoy it |
| 17:11.52 | Kaelten | hug jnwhiteh |
| 17:13.03 | Kissy | Any one know how to make LibFubarPlugin-3.0 force the passing of Right Button clicks? :/ As far as the code looks it always goes to the Fubar menu function. |
| 17:13.22 | Taroven | Doh, WoWI is timing out... need to upload a new version of my addon. =\ |
| 17:13.22 | Shirik | I don't believe this |
| 17:13.28 | Kissy | Meaning, I am expecting it in my AddOn for parsing, but it never gets there. |
| 17:13.31 | durcyn | Kissy: use LDB instead. |
| 17:13.33 | Shirik | there's a discussion on my guild forums as stupid as the ones on about WM |
| 17:13.40 | Kallieen | O.o |
| 17:13.42 | durcyn | get with the times! |
| 17:13.49 | Shirik | I can't believe I'm having a discussion about "whether or not we should allow spam in guild chat" |
| 17:13.52 | Kissy | durcyn: Every one keeps bothering me to switch. LDB scares me. |
| 17:13.54 | Shirik | like, wtf kind of question is that |
| 17:14.04 | durcyn | Kissy: it's not scary. it's easier to deal with than FBP. |
| 17:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | You want to spam? do it in whispers. |
| 17:14.21 | Kissy | One of those I looked at it and could not figure how to make it work sort of things. |
| 17:14.22 | Coren{de}_ | wowi server seems to be downish atm, or is da Internetz broked? |
| 17:14.25 | Maul | Shirik: I know what you mean, the GM of my guild is whining like a child about its demise |
| 17:14.26 | Kallieen | *shudder* Spam is evil. eeeeeevil |
| 17:14.35 | durcyn | Kissy: so crib from another addon =P |
| 17:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | Coren{de}_, thye've been working on it today. |
| 17:14.48 | Xinhuan | jnwhiteh, i only read tickets on wowace once a month ;p |
| 17:14.49 | Shirik | Coren{de}_: There are issues, that's about all I can say right now |
| 17:14.51 | Shirik | we're working on it |
| 17:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Also, with high traffic you're more likely to time out, even if it's up and happy |
| 17:15.03 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: I respond to everything within 12 hours =) |
| 17:15.16 | jnwhiteh | with very few exceptions :P |
| 17:15.17 | Xinhuan | i'll rather be farming my Insane title |
| 17:15.23 | Xinhuan | see, i'm just 86 DM runs away now |
| 17:15.28 | Xinhuan | down from 196 of them |
| 17:15.31 | jnwhiteh | this is because you are insane :P |
| 17:15.34 | Kallieen | Truly, a fitting title :D |
| 17:15.45 | Xinhuan | gonna be server first OK |
| 17:15.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Here's the best part |
| 17:15.53 | Shirik | I demoted them to our "Time Out" rank last night |
| 17:16.09 | Shirik | and they decided that they would switch over to each alt until I demote them all |
| 17:16.24 | Coren{de}_ | Lope, timeout wouldn't surprise me that much, just surprised about a connection refused response :D that means bad things are going on... |
| 17:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly are they spamming? |
| 17:16.43 | Kallieen | *blink* what were they hoping to accomplish by doing THAT? Asides from being annoying.... |
| 17:16.54 | Shirik | Kallieen: Get the point across that they were pissed at me, I guess |
| 17:17.09 | Kissy | goes to rape tekhub's github. |
| 17:17.14 | Lopeppeppy | Coren, I know Dolby's working on it, so send him hot cooca and cookies. |
| 17:17.17 | BWMerlin | jnwhiteh are you the author of NinjaPanel? |
| 17:17.25 | Lopeppeppy | Kissy, not very funny... poor word choice there. |
| 17:17.41 | Kissy | :P |
| 17:17.56 | zenzelezz | peppy's right |
| 17:18.00 | Kallieen | Shirik: Better ways to do that then lose /gchat. |
| 17:18.15 | Shirik | Kallieen: These people do not have much of a brain imo |
| 17:18.30 | Shirik | Example: Last night, another officer also put them in time out |
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| 17:18.38 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: rawr |
| 17:19.11 | Kissy | durcyn: All my FuBarPlugin does is display an icon and a tooltip saying what mouse buttons to click. |
| 17:19.27 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR, AbsolutRayne. |
| 17:19.27 | durcyn | Kissy: that's trivial to replicate in LDB. |
| 17:19.31 | jnwhiteh | BWMerlin: yes, whats up |
| 17:19.44 | Kallieen | Shirik: They sound like the people I would /gkick in a heartbeat....which is why my GM refuses to give me that power. Prolly a smart move on his part. /me has a temper |
| 17:19.48 | durcyn | Kissy: plus you get more users instead of forcing people to use fubar, nothing personal ckknight |
| 17:19.50 | BWMerlin | im tired of zomgbuffs saying waiting |
| 17:19.51 | Kissy | As far I know, then I just need the LDBtoFuBar thing for my needs. |
| 17:19.55 | End | <3 LDB |
| 17:20.07 | BWMerlin | so im doing some digging to see if i can see why it keeps saying waiting |
| 17:20.14 | ckknight | I really need to put in native LDB support into FuBar. |
| 17:20.51 | BWMerlin | along time ago you said it was probably caused by zomg "needs to include the 'type' attribute in their data object" |
| 17:21.07 | Kissy | I await the day we can nuke Rock from our systems. <.< >.> |
| 17:21.15 | jnwhiteh | an LDB object needs to declare what type of object it is |
| 17:21.20 | jnwhiteh | but it infers if necessary |
| 17:21.30 | jnwhiteh | are you using the latest version of NinjaPanel? |
| 17:21.32 | ckknight | Kissy: yea, one day |
| 17:21.48 | BWMerlin | now i know next to nothing about addon programming but looking at the zomg.lua it would seem that it does this |
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| 17:22.16 | jnwhiteh | BWMerlin: do a /run print(NinjaPanel.version) and tell me what it says |
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| 17:23.11 | jnwhiteh | gah |
| 17:23.13 | jnwhiteh | there are wowmatrix.dat files everywhere |
| 17:23.14 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: D: |
| 17:23.14 | jnwhiteh | *stab* |
| 17:23.27 | Kallieen | Bleech |
| 17:23.49 | kneeki | Saving transparent TGA's with Photoshop CS3 pisses me off |
| 17:23.55 | kneeki | ~kick Photoshop |
| 17:24.04 | purl | ACTION kicks Photoshop |
| 17:24.06 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: More Stable Cherry Lite is out |
| 17:24.09 | AbsolutRayne | Now with less TIM |
| 17:24.13 | AbsolutRayne | TMI* |
| 17:24.59 | BWMerlin | running "/run print(NinjaPanel.version)" returns nil |
| 17:25.07 | kamdis | hugs jnwhiteh. |
| 17:25.38 | jnwhiteh | BWMerlin: /run print(GetAddOnMetadata("NinjaPanel", "Version")) |
| 17:25.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, AbsolutRayne. *hugs* |
| 17:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'll probably test it tomorrow night, tonight is group-dinner. |
| 17:25.57 | AbsolutRayne | Neat |
| 17:26.06 | BWMerlin | 25 is the return |
| 17:26.06 | AbsolutRayne | Im getting my WAsher machine fixed |
| 17:26.08 | AbsolutRayne | Finally. |
| 17:26.13 | Kissy | Here goes my adventures into LDB. |
| 17:26.29 | End | it's easy to write LDB plugins |
| 17:26.40 | Lopeppeppy | Abso, you can come and buy mine, doubt I can take it with me when I move. :) |
| 17:26.53 | End | probably the most trivial to use plugin system I've seen in WoW :P |
| 17:27.18 | BWMerlin | jnwhiteh: i am in no way saying this problem with zomg is ur's on ninja panels im just sick of saying waiting so i thought i would poke around to see what you were talking about when you said it need the type attribute |
| 17:27.19 | Kissy | End, I can make blond moments look good in comparison some times. :D |
| 17:27.55 | jnwhiteh | BWMerlin: *nod* I know, just trying to get the information I need.. |
| 17:28.03 | End | it's pretty much, create LDB object, set attributes, when you update attributes the display updates automatically using metatable magic |
| 17:28.07 | jnwhiteh | It sounds like they are defining their data object as a data source |
| 17:28.13 | jnwhiteh | and never setting the .text variable |
| 17:28.18 | jnwhiteh | that's when it would do something like that |
| 17:28.27 | jnwhiteh | if its just a launcher, it should just be a launcher =) |
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| 17:32.34 | BWMerlin | http://pastebin.com/d371d8b28 does that help you see what its trying to do? |
| 17:35.07 | Kissy | Assuming this all goes well, I may already be done converting to LDB. |
| 17:35.31 | Kissy | I just need to find that LDB to FuBar AddOn. |
| 17:35.50 | End | BWMerlin: unless you set the .text field, you want "launcher" as the type |
| 17:36.08 | mikma | i created a new type for my addon! "dropdown" :D |
| 17:37.07 | Kissy | I found the FuBar2Broker AddOn, but I need the opposite. XD |
| 17:37.19 | End | there's Broker2FuBar |
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| 17:38.04 | AbsolutRayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.20 | BWMerlin | End how do I go about setting the .text field (not a developer just an end user) |
| 17:38.21 | AbsolutRayne | Does anyone know if the Sound Commands for the Ulduar bosses have been released yet? |
| 17:38.34 | End | don't bother |
| 17:38.37 | Kirov | sound commands? |
| 17:38.38 | End | just change the .type |
| 17:39.03 | AbsolutRayne | The Scripts |
| 17:39.15 | End | BWMerlin: http://pastebin.com/d1b0295ec |
| 17:39.17 | End | like that |
| 17:39.31 | End | Ninjapanel, I assume, expects .text to be set for data sources |
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| 17:39.38 | End | like the specification -requires- |
| 17:40.06 | BWMerlin | ok ill change it and see what happens |
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| 17:41.08 | End | The .label field is largely cosmetic, so I think the launcher type is largely there so that you can use those plugins in places you can't show any text |
| 17:41.20 | End | such as minimap buttons or vertical bars |
| 17:41.33 | End | (I'm not aware of any such implementation, though) |
| 17:41.42 | Kissy | ! |
| 17:41.53 | Kissy | durcyn: *Kiss kiss kiss!* |
| 17:41.58 | End | well, there's LibDBIcon, that does buttons, I suppose |
| 17:41.58 | AbsolutRayne | I basically just want the Boss mpqs |
| 17:42.00 | AbsolutRayne | Thats all |
| 17:43.17 | Kissy | durcyn: I copied one code example from LDB's guide and I have 100% of the functions I needed. I used Barrel to make it show on the Minimap. |
| 17:44.56 | Shirik | welp |
| 17:44.59 | Shirik | Eclipse loses again |
| 17:45.51 | aesir | Does it fail to connect too? |
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| 17:46.48 | AbsolutRayne | Specifically, XTs No! No! No! No! yell |
| 17:47.36 | Fisker- | i think it's awesome |
| 17:47.42 | AckisWork | Kissy: hands off durcyn he's mine |
| 17:47.47 | Fisker- | officers just decided to make someone with an alt shaman officer |
| 17:47.47 | durcyn | whoa hey now |
| 17:47.53 | durcyn | there's enough of me to go around |
| 17:47.53 | Fisker- | Then promptly decided to give him val'anyr |
| 17:47.58 | Kallieen | O.o |
| 17:48.00 | Kissy | What about a threesome? |
| 17:48.02 | Fisker- | That doesn't sound rigged at all |
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| 17:50.34 | pb_ee1 | Hey, what addons updater do you recommend atm? |
| 17:50.42 | Moleculor | Curse Client. |
| 17:50.54 | Moleculor | Or Firefox. |
| 17:50.57 | Kissy | stairs at UPS tracking. |
| 17:51.02 | Kissy | Deliver my package of AWESOME! |
| 17:51.11 | Kallieen | Whatcha waiting for? |
| 17:51.13 | Moleculor | Stairs? Why not escalators? |
| 17:51.20 | Lopeppeppy | stares at her UPS package. |
| 17:51.44 | pb_ee1 | Firefox is a bit long when you've got 112 addons :( |
| 17:52.01 | Moleculor | I've 160+. :P |
| 17:52.04 | Kallieen | Most addons are still working fine after the patch |
| 17:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | Curse or WoWI updaters, or your choice of browser, them's the options. |
| 17:53.43 | pb_ee1 | WoWI updaters? |
| 17:53.52 | Moleculor | It's an alpha or beta from WoWInterface |
| 17:53.55 | pb_ee1 | Just tried the unfamous Wowmatrix and WUU and both fail |
| 17:53.59 | AbsolutRayne | Yawn |
| 17:54.03 | Moleculor | They're being blocked. |
| 17:54.13 | pb_ee1 | I've guessed so |
| 17:54.27 | foxlit | wonder who publishes wuu |
| 17:54.31 | AbsolutRayne | I wont say anything, ill be a good Rayne |
| 17:54.35 | pb_ee1 | But I really had a horrible experience with the curse client |
| 17:54.47 | Moleculor | How long ago? |
| 17:54.53 | Moleculor | Because it's changed over the past three months. |
| 17:54.54 | pb_ee1 | A long time ago, just seen v3 is here |
| 17:55.04 | Funkeh` | v3 is brilliant |
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| 17:55.06 | pb_ee1 | Should I give it a try? Will I regret it? :p |
| 17:55.10 | Kallieen | Yeah, it works really well |
| 17:55.16 | Lopeppeppy | pb_ee1, that's what there is now. Those two clients, or your own two hands. Both clients are constantly under revision, and I'm sure they welcome your feedback on improvements. Give them a shot, I find both work fine for me. |
| 17:55.44 | kamdis | Agreed, please do give the Curse Client another shot. I find it vastly superior to the old version. |
| 17:55.54 | pb_ee1 | Which one is the most mature atm? I suppose the Curse one? Any chance to get a (very) quick comparison between the Curse and the WWI Updaters? |
| 17:56.04 | Moleculor | Curse. |
| 17:56.08 | BlueGecko | Yep, client is fine |
| 17:56.15 | pb_ee1 | Woki doki i'll give it another try then ;) |
| 17:56.15 | kamdis | You'll have to use them both if you have addons from both sites. |
| 17:56.15 | Moleculor | Go with Curse if you're this worried about which is ready and which isn't. |
| 17:56.22 | Lopeppeppy | ... mature? I don't know how to compare them, they do totally different things. |
| 17:56.35 | Lopeppeppy | Curse lets you download from Curse, WoWI lets you download from WoWI. |
| 17:56.55 | pb_ee1 | hehe woki ;) I'll probably need both then |
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| 17:57.12 | Moleculor | Sounds like the same thing, Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:57.35 | Shirik | huggles chii |
| 17:57.38 | foxlit | http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5502/33430274.jpg |
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| 17:58.10 | kamdis | foxlit what's that from? |
| 17:58.16 | Seerah | WoWInterface is back up and running, folks :) had some issues with the database |
| 17:58.17 | Shirik | guys FYI, WoWI should be responsive again |
| 17:58.19 | foxlit | dunno, forums. |
| 17:58.24 | Kallieen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.26 | Shirik | stabs Seerah |
| 17:58.30 | Seerah | I win :) |
| 17:58.40 | kamdis | Thank you, Shirik and Seerah! |
| 17:58.45 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 17:58.48 | jnwhiteh | i have like no space on my hard drive |
| 17:58.54 | jnwhiteh | where did it all go? |
| 17:58.56 | Moleculor | Try deleting some porn. :) |
| 17:59.00 | Kallieen | Vid files? |
| 17:59.04 | BWMerlin | jnwhiteh and End thanks for all your help |
| 17:59.06 | airtonix | Seerah, svn clients still report denied access |
| 17:59.10 | jnwhiteh | 35 gigs of photos and 35 gigs of music certainly hurt =/ |
| 17:59.12 | zenzelezz | Moleculor: let's not do things we'll regret |
| 17:59.14 | Moleculor | (Scandisk too, sometimes some files get borked into thinking they're giganitnormous.) |
| 17:59.17 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Generally hard drives are packet pretty well because they need to keep out dust |
| 17:59.22 | Shirik | so they don't usually have much space |
| 17:59.27 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 17:59.29 | jnwhiteh | good point =/ |
| 17:59.48 | BWMerlin | i made type new zomg.lua files, one with the launcher and another i added in the text field |
| 18:00.21 | BWMerlin | as far as i can tell just adding in text = "ZOMGBuffs", did the trick |
| 18:00.22 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: if you litterally mean "what's taking so much space", look for a Sequoia View-like application for your OS |
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| 18:00.38 | jnwhiteh | zenzelezz: I've got one |
| 18:00.45 | jnwhiteh | just confused where half of this shit comes from =) |
| 18:01.00 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: haha, been there. Out of curiosity, what's the progam called? |
| 18:01.06 | jnwhiteh | Disk Inventory X |
| 18:01.18 | zenzelezz | might be handy at work, cheers |
| 18:01.35 | Moleculor | WinDirStat |
| 18:01.41 | airtonix | Seerah, svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.wowinterface.com': Connection refused |
| 18:01.48 | jnwhiteh | http://www.derlien.com/ |
| 18:02.19 | airtonix | Seerah, i'll try again in a few hours or so |
| 18:02.30 | jnwhiteh | having wow |
| 18:02.32 | jnwhiteh | + wowptr |
| 18:02.36 | jnwhiteh | sucks a generous amount =) |
| 18:02.43 | Kallieen | Oooo, that looks spiffy |
| 18:03.04 | Seerah | airtonix: not sure why you're getting that message, but the only thing I know about the svn is my usage of it |
| 18:03.20 | pb_ee1 | I'm actually impressed by the new Curse Client. Thanks for your advice! |
| 18:03.38 | airtonix | Seerah, can you test access with your client please? |
| 18:04.22 | jnwhiteh | I dont play Guitar Hero very often |
| 18:04.22 | Seerah | browsing the svn from the site works |
| 18:04.24 | Wobin | foxlit: that looks like an awesome gui |
| 18:04.24 | Seerah | sec |
| 18:04.34 | airtonix | ok all good now |
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| 18:05.17 | Seerah | kk |
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| 18:07.09 | BWMerlin | jnwhiteh thanks for taking the time to help me, sorry i had to pester you about it but i did ticket the author of zomg months ago about it and even though he has released several new versions since then i havent heard a single word about fixing this issues i was having |
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| 18:08.31 | durcyn | BWMerlin: Zeksie's in the channel, should bother him until he fixes it :o |
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| 18:10.15 | jnwhiteh | BWMerlin: honestly sir, no worries =) |
| 18:10.23 | jnwhiteh | or ma'am :P |
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| 18:10.35 | BWMerlin | lol |
| 18:10.44 | BWMerlin | but one question |
| 18:10.58 | BWMerlin | arnt you suppose to be on holidays in Italy? |
| 18:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | He came back, silly jnwhiteh. |
| 18:12.49 | jnwhiteh | yeah, holiday is over =( |
| 18:13.07 | BWMerlin | afaik all curse author's get an email as soon as a ticket is created on their project so Zeksie should have received and email when i created the ticket |
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| 18:13.21 | Shirik | airtonix: svn should be up now |
| 18:13.22 | Shirik | sorry about that |
| 18:14.03 | Etanol | ~wowmatrix |
| 18:14.04 | purl | i heard wowmatrix is crap |
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| 18:15.44 | Dashkal | ~factinfo wowmatrix |
| 18:15.44 | purl | wowmatrix -- created by Aiiane <n=Aiiane@starfire.ST.HMC.Edu> 2d 18h 37m 59s ago; it has been requested 4 times, last by Etanol, 1m 40s ago. |
| 18:15.59 | Etanol | false! |
| 18:16.01 | Etanol | I made it! |
| 18:16.16 | airtonix | Shirik, all good, i was using github to store my project but nautilus support for git is restricted to nautilus-scripts for the moment until nautilussvn supports git. I guess i'll be using svn until/if wowi decides to support git too |
| 18:16.25 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps Aiiane re-made it. |
| 18:16.36 | Etanol | purl, wowmatrix is crap |
| 18:16.37 | purl | Etanol: i already had it that way |
| 18:16.43 | Etanol | purl, wowmatrix isnt crap |
| 18:16.48 | Etanol | purl, wowmatrix is crap |
| 18:16.49 | purl | Etanol: i already had it that way |
| 18:16.52 | Etanol | hm |
| 18:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | You're not giving her the right commands. |
| 18:17.08 | Etanol | purl, wowmatrix is not crap |
| 18:17.09 | purl | ...but wowmatrix is already something else... |
| 18:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | I know it involves "no", but I'm not sure. |
| 18:17.17 | Thunder_Child | no or a forget |
| 18:17.27 | Etanol | purl, forget wowmatrix |
| 18:17.27 | purl | i forgot wowmatrix, Etanol |
| 18:17.27 | Thunder_Child | either way |
| 18:17.28 | Aiiane | Etanol: you didn't make it |
| 18:17.32 | Etanol | purl, wowmatrix is crap |
| 18:17.33 | purl | okay, Etanol |
| 18:17.33 | Aiiane | you gave the wrong syntax |
| 18:17.38 | Aiiane | and it never went through |
| 18:17.41 | mikma | stop sucking |
| 18:17.41 | Aiiane | then I made it in a PM |
| 18:17.48 | Dashkal | purl, no wowmatrix is <action>stabs wowmatrix with an icicle made from the frozen tears of lazy users |
| 18:17.49 | purl | okay, Dashkal |
| 18:17.49 | Etanol | oh |
| 18:17.58 | Dashkal | lil slow, but that's change :p |
| 18:17.59 | mikma | dashkal won. |
| 18:17.59 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowmatrix |
| 18:17.59 | purl | ACTION stabs wowmatrix with an icicle made from the frozen tears of lazy users |
| 18:18.00 | jnwhiteh | how do people manage the PTR client being so damn huge |
| 18:18.03 | mikma | ~lock wowmatrix |
| 18:18.03 | Kallieen | hahaha |
| 18:18.05 | jnwhiteh | I just don't have that much space on my machine =( |
| 18:18.06 | Lopeppeppy | I like that one. |
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| 18:18.17 | mikma | <2117> [freenode] <purl> sorry, locking cannot be used since it can be abused unneccesarily. |
| 18:18.25 | Thunder_Child | get more hd's jnwhiteh |
| 18:18.27 | End | I have a big hard drive 8-) |
| 18:18.29 | VonhintenHOME` | jnwhiteh, space is cheap |
| 18:18.31 | End | that's how I manage |
| 18:18.32 | jnwhiteh | its a laptop |
| 18:18.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure, End |
| 18:18.35 | End | well |
| 18:18.36 | End | fail more! |
| 18:18.37 | Thunder_Child | external then |
| 18:18.38 | jnwhiteh | so i can't, and it isn't. |
| 18:19.04 | Thunder_Child | there is a $160 1tb travel lacie |
| 18:19.18 | mikma | dashkal: try ~lock wowmatrix |
| 18:19.18 | Kallieen | What size drive is it? |
| 18:19.22 | Dashkal | ~lock wowmatrix |
| 18:19.27 | mikma | since you created it you might get it locked |
| 18:19.28 | Dashkal | same message |
| 18:19.33 | Kirov | I remember paying $300 for a 120GB |
| 18:19.35 | Dashkal | timriker probably has to do it |
| 18:19.37 | mikma | okidoki, needs to be a op then |
| 18:19.41 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 18:19.46 | Moleculor | jnwhiteh: I have 263GB free on my machine. |
| 18:19.47 | Thunder_Child | you can only do it if it is self |
| 18:19.51 | Moleculor | And that's WITH porn. |
| 18:19.52 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5212873/lacie-rugged-xl-reaches-up-to-1tb-down-to-160 |
| 18:20.14 | Arrowmaster | diskcapacity[C:\ (8.54GB Free, 149.04GB Total), F:\ (4.23GB Free, 232.88GB Total), G:\ (4.48GB Free, 232.88GB Total), L:\ (1.42GB Free, 465.76GB Total), Total (18.67GB Free, 1.06TB Total)] |
| 18:20.17 | Moleculor | As well as half the season of about 11 different TV shows. |
| 18:20.25 | Moleculor | Usually in 720p |
| 18:20.30 | Arrowmaster | i had to free up space by copying stuff to the laptop |
| 18:20.41 | Kallieen | Laptop drives have gotten a lot cheaper |
| 18:21.06 | VonhintenHOME` | Jesus christ Arrow, wtf do you have on those drives |
| 18:21.07 | Wobin | apparently I won an external HDD from Asus |
| 18:21.14 | Kallieen | Nice |
| 18:21.15 | Wobin | I've yet to recieve it in the mail though |
| 18:21.20 | Moleculor | And I still have to wipe and reformat a drive that's sitting unused on my machine right now, which'll give me another huge amount of free space. |
| 18:21.26 | Thunder_Child | (CPU1) Intel® Core™2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz @ 2400MHz (ASUSTeK Computer INC. StrikerExtreme mainboard) (RAM) 4GB, 1.39GB free (HDDs) 1.66TB, 147GB free |
| 18:21.26 | Thunder_Child | (VGA1) NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX (768MB), 1680x1050x32, 59Hz (OS) Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate (SP1), 2d 1h 15m 12s uptime, 3w 2d 10h 48m 58s uptime record |
| 18:21.34 | Wobin | it's only 30G |
| 18:21.35 | Thunder_Child | ffs i hate this thing |
| 18:21.39 | Wobin | it had better be pretty |
| 18:21.42 | Wobin | with sparkles =P |
| 18:21.45 | Arrowmaster | uptime[Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3 (5.1 - 2600) - 1w 3d 23h 35m 18s] recorduptime[6w 1d 3h 39m 29s] |
| 18:21.49 | Wobin | (or SSD) |
| 18:21.49 | Moleculor | I could probably install the PTR client at least 50 more times on this drive and still have room for more. |
| 18:21.50 | Kallieen | I need to clean my HDs off again |
| 18:21.53 | Arrowmaster | ROFL |
| 18:21.55 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 18:21.57 | Arrowmaster | it looped |
| 18:22.01 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 18:22.10 | jnwhiteh | i have my vmware machines here too |
| 18:22.13 | Arrowmaster | my uptime is actually 8w 4d 16h 48m |
| 18:22.31 | durcyn | 8 weeks. golf clap, sir. |
| 18:22.39 | Arrowmaster | its xp |
| 18:22.46 | VonhintenHOME` | xp goes the distance |
| 18:22.46 | Trela | System Info: Model: Mac Pro (Quad Core) "Tennyoko". CPU: Quad GenuineIntel (Intel Woodcrest) @ 2.7 GHz. RAM: 3.0GB. OS X Version: 10.5.6 Boot Disk Size: 715077MB ( 698GB ). Used: 99%. Uptime: 9 days 16:54. User: 'alexia'. Time: 2:22PM. Time zone: GMT -4. Load Averages (1min/5min/15min): { 0.22 0.19 0.10 }. Network Traffic: Hardware: 23668 MB in, 20250 MB out; Hardware: 0 MB in, 0 MB out.Client: Colloquy 2.2 |
| 18:22.57 | Kissy | licks Trela. :3 |
| 18:23.10 | VonhintenHOME` | With all the updates for security etc, who cares about uptime anymore :) |
| 18:23.14 | Dashkal | I need a second computer (one with a motherboard that can actually tell time). I wants me an uptime :p |
| 18:23.15 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd rather reboot and be safe |
| 18:23.22 | Thunder_Child | alexia huh |
| 18:23.39 | Dashkal | iptables -a INPUT -j DROP. There, secure :p |
| 18:23.43 | Kissy | Low user account, it is my media server. |
| 18:23.43 | mikma | what video option now handles all the AoE -effects in the ground? |
| 18:23.53 | Kallieen | projected textures |
| 18:23.54 | End | mikma: projected textures |
| 18:23.59 | Kallieen | and particle density |
| 18:24.25 | mikma | ah, there! |
| 18:24.28 | mikma | it's a checkbox now |
| 18:24.39 | Shirik | Dashkal :P |
| 18:24.44 | Shirik | that's cheating |
| 18:24.47 | Dashkal | heh |
| 18:24.56 | Dashkal | My firewall looked pretty close to that for years |
| 18:25.01 | mikma | hmm, nope, that didn't do it |
| 18:25.07 | mikma | still can't see the effect |
| 18:25.07 | Dashkal | it just ad a line in front that let RELATED back in |
| 18:25.20 | Kallieen | Check your particle density slider too |
| 18:25.25 | Dashkal | and whatever other state which escapes me now |
| 18:25.40 | Kallieen | They split the spell detail into those two |
| 18:25.57 | mikma | hmmh O_o doesn't rain of fire do the ground effect anymore? |
| 18:26.08 | Kallieen | Hrm, not that I recall |
| 18:26.20 | mikma | it used to before 3.1.0 |
| 18:26.37 | Kallieen | Hrm. I'll have to check on my 'lock once I get home |
| 18:26.38 | durcyn | mikma: they took it out for blizzard and ROF midway through PTR |
| 18:26.48 | mikma | damn! |
| 18:26.48 | durcyn | though for some reason dk aoes still have them |
| 18:26.49 | Kallieen | Ah |
| 18:28.01 | mikma | that explains why i haven't seen them on the ground then :D |
| 18:28.10 | Thunder_Child | why did they take them out? |
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| 18:29.03 | durcyn | hell if i know, probably because some asshole mage was spoofing safe spots on hodir? |
| 18:29.09 | Adys | http://failblog.org/2009/04/13/candle-fail/ |
| 18:29.12 | Adys | i died inside |
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| 18:29.29 | Thunder_Child | if only you died outside as well |
| 18:29.53 | Lopeppeppy | So did I, Adys... I find myself wondering if the candle was lit, or if it's a crappy candle that melted from the laptop heat. I've seen those kinds of crappy candles... |
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| 18:30.55 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5214630/london-bar-pumps-gin-and-tonic-into-the-air-please-breathe-responsibly |
| 18:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | That crap might just be bad for your lungs. |
| 18:32.03 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 18:32.04 | NightHawkTheSane | but sure looks fun |
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| 18:32.14 | Lopeppeppy | you first, me never |
| 18:32.15 | Arrowmaster | hmm gin |
| 18:32.30 | Arrowmaster | i like gin |
| 18:32.32 | Kallieen | Is yummy |
| 18:32.42 | VonhintenHOME` | I hate gin |
| 18:32.49 | Lopeppeppy | Gin smells bad. |
| 18:33.01 | Arrowmaster | hell of a kick if you dont mix it with anything |
| 18:33.13 | Kallieen | *shudder* I always cut mine |
| 18:33.31 | VonhintenHOME` | my first real good upchuck was the result of drinking gin straight |
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| 18:34.15 | Arrowmaster | its one of those 'oh this burns so much going down i wonder if it will burn coming out' |
| 18:34.29 | Kallieen | Bottom shelf vodka. Horrid horrid stuff. |
| 18:34.32 | jnwhiteh | any way to uninstall a language pack once you've installed it? |
| 18:34.46 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: data dir, delete it |
| 18:34.58 | Arrowmaster | not the entire data dir but the language pack from it |
| 18:35.23 | jnwhiteh | hrm okay |
| 18:35.23 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 18:35.39 | jnwhiteh | that'd free up 1.55 gigs |
| 18:35.41 | jnwhiteh | i'll leave it for now. |
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| 18:36.56 | VonhintenHOME` | The thing that always ate my laptop drive space was several builds of large vstudio solutions... intermediary files are huge |
| 18:37.12 | VonhintenHOME` | started running Clean's on them all when I was done with them |
| 18:38.43 | Kallieen | Anime series used to be the big thing on mine |
| 18:39.32 | VonhintenHOME` | that kind of thing belongs on an external drive |
| 18:40.51 | Kallieen | I have about 400gb of internal HD space on my desktop atm. Haven't felt the need for an external drive for storage. That and I finally got around to deleting the ones I watched.... |
| 18:41.58 | tekkub | yea, if you aren't a rewatcher (I'm not) don't save shit |
| 18:42.13 | VonhintenHOME` | a drive external to a laptop, is what I meant |
| 18:42.14 | tekkub | then you'll never hit the top |
| 18:42.25 | VonhintenHOME` | laptop space is at a premium, got a pick and choose |
| 18:42.41 | Kallieen | That and the ones I want to rewatch were finally licensed in the US so bought the DVDs |
| 18:42.47 | Kallieen | Ah, yeah |
| 18:43.01 | Kallieen | My laptop's HD is fairly empty |
| 18:43.03 | Arrowmaster | i never buy US anime dvds |
| 18:43.07 | Arrowmaster | they always fuck them up |
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| 18:43.33 | Arrowmaster | i take that back, i have 2 and thats it |
| 18:43.35 | End | not always, although there is a lot of precedence for fuckery |
| 18:44.05 | Arrowmaster | imho just converting from 24fps to 29fps fucks it up enough |
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| 18:45.55 | Kallieen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:49.39 | Etanol | how does it work with many lua files in the same addon folder? |
| 18:49.46 | Etanol | can I access local functions from other files? |
| 18:49.57 | Etanol | (in the same folder) |
| 18:49.58 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:50.05 | durcyn | Etanol: each file has its own scope, you'd need to define a global object then stuff functions in it |
| 18:50.06 | Etanol | is there any shared variables? |
| 18:50.11 | Etanol | aha |
| 18:50.41 | durcyn | or put things in the same file. |
| 18:50.50 | Etanol | so basically, I can move all addon files from their separate folders in Interface\AddOns, to one addon folder, and they will work? |
| 18:51.25 | durcyn | savedvariables notwithstanding, as long as they're referenced in some toc somewhere, yes |
| 18:51.55 | Etanol | hm |
| 18:53.54 | Shirik | NOW it makes sense |
| 18:53.59 | Shirik | nicoli_s is ckknight? |
| 18:54.07 | ckknight | no |
| 18:54.10 | Shirik | o.O |
| 18:54.13 | Shirik | you share a box? |
| 18:54.19 | ckknight | we're at the same office |
| 18:54.26 | nicoli_s | ckknight != nicoli_s |
| 18:54.27 | ckknight | he's in the other room |
| 18:54.30 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:55.29 | mikma | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/10/about-those-new-crunchpad-pictures/ |
| 18:55.39 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: why didnt you just delete Cartographer_Professions instead of fixing it? |
| 18:56.01 | ckknight | because I have other things I need to focus on that take up my time as well |
| 18:56.12 | ckknight | fixing it was easy |
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| 18:58.50 | mikma | cool "fix", delete |
| 18:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | Filing things in the round drawer. |
| 19:00.05 | mikma | hey umm, anyone actually knows is the GetWintergraspWaitTime() *accurate* now? |
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| 19:02.13 | kamdis | For those who were around for me "the uterus is not a clown car" comment: http://fukung.net/v/9281/clowncar.jpg |
| 19:02.40 | Lopeppeppy | .... *brain bleach* |
| 19:02.48 | durcyn | i'm trying to remember the name of the stand-up comic you stole that line from =P |
| 19:02.52 | durcyn | was it Carlin? |
| 19:03.37 | Thunder_Child | kamdis, http://mbanarchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/clown-car1.jpg |
| 19:03.58 | kamdis | Yep |
| 19:04.00 | kamdis | that's where my comment came from in the first place :) |
| 19:04.19 | kamdis | durcyn: sounds like him |
| 19:04.34 | kamdis | but T-C's pic is where I heard it first |
| 19:04.40 | durcyn | i definitely recall hearing "it's a vagina, not a clown car, lady" |
| 19:04.41 | Kallieen | Same here |
| 19:04.42 | durcyn | maybe denis leary |
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| 19:07.40 | mikma | OMG NSFW IT HAS WORD VAGINA IN IT! you can get fired! |
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| 19:23.51 | Dashkal | [ot] XMPP is fun to play with |
| 19:24.35 | airtonix | the protocol? |
| 19:25.31 | Dashkal | yeah. I've been playing with an XMPP server for the last few days |
| 19:26.06 | DWSR | PAwn hasn't been updated on Curse. |
| 19:26.09 | DWSR | Is it updated anywhere else? |
| 19:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | Check google, DWSR. |
| 19:28.18 | DWSR | /google Pawn |
| 19:28.24 | DWSR | /google Updated 3.1 Pawn |
| 19:28.29 | DWSR | I'm getting no results... |
| 19:28.34 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 19:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Right. |
| 19:28.39 | Thunder_Child | ~google Updated 3.1 Pawn |
| 19:29.01 | Thunder_Child | huh, thought purl did google |
| 19:29.07 | durcyn | she does. |
| 19:29.15 | DWSR | AHA |
| 19:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | purl forgot a lot of her extra programming a while back. Better just use a freakin' browser. |
| 19:29.37 | Thunder_Child | google isnt a factoid thought |
| 19:29.57 | Lopeppeppy | I have no idea what she did and did not forget. |
| 19:29.57 | durcyn | the REST::Google modules are flaky sometimes |
| 19:30.04 | durcyn | or timrikers might've disabled it |
| 19:30.49 | DWSR | it would appear that Pawn has not been updated on wowui, wowi, or curse. |
| 19:30.50 | DWSR | hpmh |
| 19:31.02 | End | pawn still works for me |
| 19:31.10 | DWSR | I'm getting nothing in my tooltip |
| 19:31.25 | End | dunno |
| 19:31.28 | Dashkal | (facepalm check) Out of date addons checked? |
| 19:31.40 | DWSR | Dashkal: Yes, I get the Pawn button and all the config options/comparison window |
| 19:31.45 | DWSR | Just nothing in my tooltip, even though it's enabled. |
| 19:31.49 | Dashkal | ouch |
| 19:31.59 | Dashkal | I should check that tonight. I hadn't noticed |
| 19:32.25 | Dashkal | Too busy trying to figure out why SexyMap was putting the person who pinged at the bottom of my screen and never clearing it (damn thing survived alt-z) |
| 19:32.37 | DWSR | Switch to Chinchilla. :P |
| 19:32.42 | Dashkal | <3 dtstacktrace |
| 19:32.47 | Dashkal | erm, dtframestack |
| 19:33.05 | Dashkal | I used to use that one, but sexymap is, well, sexier :p |
| 19:33.59 | Antiarc | The pinger should be fixed |
| 19:34.19 | Antiarc | I guess I didn't tag it release |
| 19:34.55 | DWSR | ah, Pawn's comparison window doesn't work |
| 19:35.14 | foxlit | okay, question |
| 19:35.18 | foxlit | bindProxy:SetBindingClick(true, "MOUSEWHEELUP", owner, "mwup"); |
| 19:35.26 | foxlit | Appears to have died in 3.1 (no click events) |
| 19:36.19 | DWSR | http://is.gd/sOAf <-- Any warlocks disagree with that coparison? |
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| 19:37.39 | foxlit | Even though the binding appears to be set (GetBindingAction returns the proper values), it doesn't lead to any evens firing |
| 19:38.44 | Dashkal | I need to redo my pawn config. The numbers I'm using are completely out of date now |
| 19:38.53 | foxlit | d'oh. |
| 19:39.07 | foxlit | CTRL-Mousewheelup is bound to something. |
| 19:39.29 | foxlit | Which overrides my feeble mousewheelup binding while ctrl is down. |
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| 19:41.10 | foxlit | also fun: wheel events are delivered as wheel events, even though you bind them as clicks. |
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| 19:44.29 | Etanol | umm |
| 19:44.38 | Etanol | I can't use my non-local function from /run |
| 19:45.07 | durcyn | Etanol: can you print it? |
| 19:45.35 | Etanol | print what? |
| 19:46.22 | Etanol | it just says |
| 19:46.42 | Etanol | attempt to index global 'AddonName'' (a nil value) |
| 19:46.54 | Etanol | I do /run Addon:Func() |
| 19:46.55 | Shirik | then AddonName is nil |
| 19:46.56 | Shirik | as it says |
| 19:47.33 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: ping |
| 19:47.37 | jnwhiteh | funny that |
| 19:47.39 | Xinhuan | pong |
| 19:47.52 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: can you go respond to http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx shortyg confirming that wowmatrix is hosting your file without your permission. |
| 19:47.56 | Matsy | Hmm. |
| 19:48.03 | Matsy | Is there a way to save configuration / text to a file |
| 19:48.06 | Matsy | Without having to close WoW? |
| 19:48.43 | Xinhuan | give me a moment to check that omen doesn't actually have any liscence file attached ;p |
| 19:49.24 | Xinhuan | yep no liscense |
| 19:49.30 | Xinhuan | what do you want me to post? |
| 19:49.33 | Etanol | Matsy: savedvariables are updated on reloadui, logout and exit |
| 19:49.57 | Kaelten | Just verifying that I'm telling the truth when I say their hosting copyrighted files without authors consent |
| 19:50.06 | Kaelten | he asked me for proof of my statement |
| 19:50.11 | Kaelten | You're the best example atm |
| 19:50.15 | Xinhuan | so i should post the link too right? |
| 19:50.28 | Kaelten | I wasn't going to. |
| 19:50.33 | Kaelten | but if you want to |
| 19:51.09 | Matsy | Hmm. |
| 19:51.13 | Matsy | Okay, thanks Etanol. |
| 19:51.15 | Kaelten | Oh and if you could say that you've never asked it to be hosted there, assuming you haven't. |
| 19:52.34 | Xinhuan | i've only given some french magazine permission to give it out free lol |
| 19:52.37 | Xinhuan | that's about it |
| 19:53.03 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:53.13 | Kaelten | well stating that would counter his rebuttle to my statement |
| 19:53.17 | Kaelten | he assumes you've given consent |
| 19:53.35 | Kallieen | He just said 'Xinhuan, the author had to contact WM and ask for his file to be hosted .'.... |
| 19:54.21 | Kaelten | yep |
| 19:54.46 | Kallieen | Some people just don't get it I guess |
| 19:56.12 | Xinhuan | Kaelten |
| 19:56.14 | Xinhuan | French company Canal Jeux Vidéo, sister company of Future France SAS, |
| 19:56.15 | Xinhuan | belonging to the group WM7 (hereafter the "Group") |
| 19:56.25 | Xinhuan | that has nothing to do with wowmatrix right? ;p |
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| 19:57.13 | VonhintenHOME` | So, projected textures.. what's the damage? |
| 19:57.29 | Lopeppeppy | I would think not, Xinhuan. |
| 19:58.18 | foxlit | I don't quite understand how drawing an image on the world can cause "great performance impact" |
| 19:58.33 | jnwhiteh | join a raid |
| 19:58.36 | jnwhiteh | stack said textures. |
| 19:58.40 | jnwhiteh | ?? |
| 19:58.41 | jnwhiteh | profit |
| 19:58.44 | Kallieen | iirc, that's for AoE ground effects mostly |
| 19:58.44 | foxlit | They're still more or less bitmaps |
| 19:58.53 | foxlit | You'd think the particle effects would be much, much worse |
| 19:59.03 | durcyn | the projected textures aren't much of a hit |
| 19:59.12 | Kallieen | Which is why they split them |
| 19:59.15 | Kaelten | Xinhuan: not to my knowledge. |
| 19:59.17 | durcyn | i think it's more to do with giving players abilities that look exactly like boss abilities |
| 19:59.21 | Xinhuan | i replied Kaelten |
| 19:59.26 | Kaelten | yeah just saw, thanks many |
| 19:59.27 | Kaelten | er |
| 19:59.28 | Kaelten | man |
| 20:00.02 | foxlit | Kallieen: perhaps; the tooltip implies the opposite, however. |
| 20:00.45 | Legorol | ooh, some knowledgable people are here now |
| 20:00.55 | Legorol | can anyone tell me where the "spell detail level" setting went, and what replaces it? |
| 20:01.02 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol! *laugh* |
| 20:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | They answered us! There are two settings now, a checkbox and a slider, that replace that. |
| 20:01.13 | foxlit | Legorol: "particle density" |
| 20:01.24 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: lol, did i miss the reply? |
| 20:01.30 | Lopeppeppy | You did, dear. *hug* |
| 20:03.10 | Legorol | sowwy |
| 20:03.10 | Moleculor | Search the patch notes for "spell detail". |
| 20:03.10 | Kallieen | :D I'm almost at the point of macroing that to answer my guildies |
| 20:03.10 | Legorol | foxlit: wasn't particle density always there? |
| 20:03.10 | foxlit | No. |
| 20:03.10 | Moleculor | No. |
| 20:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Terribl(ly awesome|e) placement: http://www.shooter.net/index.php/Item/hootersandinnout/ |
| 20:03.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ground clutter density is what you're thinking, Legorol |
| 20:03.10 | foxlit | ground clutter, aka "we hate herbalists" |
| 20:03.10 | Legorol | Moleculor: i did, there is nothing in latest :) |
| 20:03.11 | Legorol | ground clutter i know is a different thing |
| 20:04.10 | Moleculor | ... I wonder why they removed the spell detail line from the patch notes. |
| 20:04.36 | Moleculor | Oh. THey didn't. |
| 20:04.41 | Moleculor | Spell Effect Level setting has been split into Particle Density and Projected Textures. Previously, Spell Effect Level controlled both of these features. |
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| 20:04.43 | Legorol | i still can't find it :( |
| 20:04.48 | Legorol | aaah |
| 20:04.50 | Xinhuan | "For someone who won't be back, you sure are posting an awful lot. Please make good on your word." lol |
| 20:04.52 | Moleculor | User Interface, third line. |
| 20:04.53 | Legorol | i searched for "spell detail" |
| 20:04.56 | Moleculor | Yeah. Me too. |
| 20:05.03 | Moleculor | Guess it was never called that? |
| 20:05.10 | durcyn | it was called spell detail |
| 20:05.17 | durcyn | blizzard just fails at patch notes |
| 20:06.43 | Legorol | Moleculor: from 3.0.9 interface files: |
| 20:06.44 | Legorol | VideoOptionsPanels.lua:381:spellEffectLevel = { text = "SPELL_DETAIL", minValue = 0, maxValue = 9, valueStep = 1}, |
| 20:06.53 | Legorol | and |
| 20:06.54 | Legorol | GlobalStrings.lua:4671:OPTION_TOOLTIP_SPELL_DETAIL = "Controls the detail level of spell effects. Decrease to improve performance."; |
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| 20:07.18 | foxlit | I wonder if they made the UI animation functions use... animations |
| 20:07.27 | Legorol | they didn't yet, afaik |
| 20:07.37 | Xinhuan | you would hope RIGHT? ;p |
| 20:10.04 | Etanol | -_- |
| 20:10.11 | Etanol | do I need a frame to create global functions? |
| 20:10.26 | End | to create..global functions? |
| 20:10.27 | End | no? |
| 20:10.41 | Etanol | functions usable from inside wow |
| 20:10.46 | Etanol | like, /run Func() |
| 20:10.54 | End | no, you don't |
| 20:10.55 | Jamash | no |
| 20:11.13 | End | just put function Func() blah blah blah end in your lua file |
| 20:11.14 | VonhintenHOME` | they're global unless you make them local |
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| 20:11.48 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, Kaelten, what shorty posted about getting an addon listed was about them deeplinking, not even about them hosting the addons on their own servers. |
| 20:11.50 | Etanol | Addon = {}; function Addon:Test() <block> end |
| 20:11.58 | Etanol | I can't call Addon:Test() |
| 20:12.20 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 20:12.27 | jnwhiteh | people just don't know when to stop posting |
| 20:12.31 | foxlit | how do you know you can't call Addon:Test()? |
| 20:12.31 | ckknight | hey beautiful people (that don't post on curseforge, or do but are lazy): http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/uploading-through-a-script/ |
| 20:12.43 | Kissy | Lopeppeppy, which post? |
| 20:12.48 | Etanol | foxlit: I tried running /script Addon:Test() |
| 20:12.49 | jnwhiteh | lua> Addon = {}; function Addon:Test() end; Addon:Test() |
| 20:12.50 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: No output |
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| 20:12.56 | jnwhiteh | Etanol: works just fine, as you can see |
| 20:13.05 | jnwhiteh | there is something you're not telling us, I suspect |
| 20:13.09 | jnwhiteh | not intentionally, but still =) |
| 20:13.11 | Lopeppeppy | Kissy, I closed the window, it's like the top post of shorty's |
| 20:13.28 | foxlit | ckknight: suggestion: (a) Make curse subscribe to RSS feeds and republish |
| 20:13.38 | ckknight | foxlit: yea, we actually want to do something like that |
| 20:13.46 | Kissy | Assuming on the Blizzard UI forums? |
| 20:13.48 | foxlit | (b) Rather than accepting POST requests, accept a URL to pull the file from |
| 20:14.03 | Kallieen | Kissy: http://www.curse.com/articles/curse-en-news/437537.aspx |
| 20:14.04 | ckknight | foxlit: hmm. wanna make a comment on that page? |
| 20:14.07 | ckknight | foxlit: or file a ticket. |
| 20:14.10 | Kissy | Thank you. :3 |
| 20:14.11 | ckknight | file a ticket, actually |
| 20:14.15 | ckknight | that'd be useful |
| 20:14.23 | Etanol | tells me Addon is nil :/ |
| 20:14.24 | End | ckknight: I'm not beautiful! |
| 20:14.27 | End | but that's cool |
| 20:14.45 | jnwhiteh | Etanol: how are you testing this |
| 20:14.46 | jnwhiteh | if you are in wow |
| 20:15.00 | jnwhiteh | and you type /run Addon = {}; print(Addon); |
| 20:15.08 | jnwhiteh | you should absolutely get output |
| 20:15.28 | Etanol | I am not |
| 20:15.48 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 20:15.48 | Etanol | wait |
| 20:15.52 | NightHawkTheSane | just tried Curse's mac client. |
| 20:15.59 | NightHawkTheSane | may end up using this on a regular basis, it's not too shabby |
| 20:16.12 | foxlit | apologizes in advance. |
| 20:16.14 | foxlit | "Etanol: print what? |
| 20:16.14 | foxlit | [21:46] Etanol: it just says |
| 20:16.14 | foxlit | [21:46] Etanol: attempt to index global 'AddonName'' (a nil value)" |
| 20:16.40 | Kissy | NightHawkTheSane: The worst I have seen it do is throw an error that the AddOn list is empty requiring to restart the client. |
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| 20:16.49 | durcyn | where'd AddonName come from, i thought you named the table Addon |
| 20:16.55 | Arrowmaster | ckknight: looks cool for those that dev on wowi's server, now if only wowi had something like that for those that dev on curse's server |
| 20:16.55 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 20:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Kissy: the mac version at least throws a few errors on startup, but I haven't had any functionality problems really |
| 20:17.13 | Etanol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112422 |
| 20:17.27 | foxlit | ckknight: I'd have to find my password and so on |
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| 20:17.34 | ckknight | foxlit: bah |
| 20:17.39 | Jamash | <block> is not valid lua syntax |
| 20:17.55 | Arrowmaster | are you sure the file is being loaded? |
| 20:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Kissy: my real complaint so far is for addons like Dominos, where it's really 3-4 addons, and i only use a couple of them. |
| 20:18.11 | foxlit | and the reset password form is very silent about whether it's actually doing anything |
| 20:18.17 | Jamash | replace it with print("hi there") |
| 20:18.28 | Kissy | NightHawkTheSane, that is very annoying. I keep have to delete 3/5 of them. |
| 20:18.32 | Kissy | *having |
| 20:18.39 | Etanol | -_- |
| 20:18.51 | Arrowmaster | Kissy: you should just disable them ingame |
| 20:18.59 | Etanol | replace <block> with whatever, still doesn't work |
| 20:19.02 | Etanol | since CH seems to be nil |
| 20:19.17 | Arrowmaster | Etanol: the file isnt being loaded i bet |
| 20:19.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Kissy: its only a couple things, so i may just do what Arrowmaster says, or set CC to ignore it and do it manually from wowi. |
| 20:19.28 | Kissy | Arrowmaster: They automatically enable for new characters, different servers, etcetera that have not seen them before. |
| 20:19.28 | Jamash | Check to see your .toc is valid |
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| 20:20.02 | Arrowmaster | true but they are all part of the same zip so they all get downloaded and extracted |
| 20:21.48 | foxlit | ckknight: by the looks of it, curse just isn't sending emails |
| 20:22.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Kissy: the same is true of all addons through. I dont know about you, but whenever i create a new character i have to go through and disable addons anyway. |
| 20:22.22 | Kissy | I only keep the AddOns around that I use 100% of the time. |
| 20:22.30 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 20:22.33 | durcyn | just copy the AddOns.txt to the new character's savedvars directory |
| 20:22.48 | ckknight | Kissy: I don't run Auctioneer on any char but my bank ;-) |
| 20:22.49 | NightHawkTheSane | thats an odd statement. do you either not raid? or use your raid addons on your level 10 alts? |
| 20:23.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont need ora/bigwigs/grid on any character sub level 80, really. |
| 20:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | And I like pallypower on my paladin, but not on my shaman, etc. |
| 20:23.44 | Kissy | BigWigs is disabled until you are in a raid and mouse over the boss any way. |
| 20:24.05 | DWSR | bigwigs isn't updated for the new VoA boss |
| 20:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | the point remains. :P |
| 20:24.21 | Kissy | My class specific AddOns detect which class you are and automatically disable. |
| 20:25.11 | Kissy | I could disabled them at the character screen, but they do not have a big enough impact in any performance to have a good reason to. |
| 20:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | glad it works for you, I suspect, however, that a very large number of people don't run the exact same addon sets on every single character they have. |
| 20:26.32 | Kissy | Usually if I load an AddOn and eventually find that I barely use it or only on a certain character I try to find a way to make it work better for me. |
| 20:27.02 | kneeki | Can we load PNG textures in the game yet, or is it still TGA & BLP? |
| 20:27.47 | Kallieen | As far as I know, still just TGA/BLP |
| 20:28.02 | kneeki | Dang, I'm having troubles with TGA and transparancy with CS3 |
| 20:28.07 | kneeki | ~kick Photoshop |
| 20:28.07 | purl | ACTION kicks Photoshop |
| 20:28.49 | Kallieen | I've actually had good luck with the gimp for TGA and transparancy |
| 20:29.14 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15439 |
| 20:29.34 | pnorman | kneeki, windows or mac? |
| 20:29.49 | Kissy | Home time. |
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| 20:30.59 | kneeki | pnorman: Winblows |
| 20:31.03 | pnorman | ah. |
| 20:31.05 | kneeki | At home I run 'nix |
| 20:31.17 | kneeki | Arrowmaster: Thanks =) |
| 20:31.26 | pnorman | On the Mac, I suggest GraphicConverter for anything involving formats and such. |
| 20:32.03 | pnorman | It sucks for drawing stuff, but it beats Photoshop for manipulating images. |
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| 20:38.22 | Xinhuan | if there was one thing that the whole wowmatrix drama this week has resulted in, it has gained wide notice to a very big community |
| 20:38.25 | Xinhuan | always a good thing |
| 20:39.15 | Zhinjio | Good afternoon, folks. |
| 20:40.00 | Xinhuan | morning :) |
| 20:40.38 | Kallieen | 'ello |
| 20:41.41 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: what wowmatrix drama? |
| 20:41.49 | Zhinjio | o.O |
| 20:41.53 | Xinhuan | pfft ackis |
| 20:41.57 | Zhinjio | do you live in a cave? |
| 20:41.58 | AckisWork | ;) |
| 20:42.02 | Zhinjio | oh thats right, you do. |
| 20:42.06 | AckisWork | eh? |
| 20:42.16 | Zhinjio | kicks sand in AckisWork's face. |
| 20:42.23 | Zhinjio | yeah, wanna make somethin' of it? |
| 20:42.47 | Zhinjio | bobs back and forth, fists raised, and generally looks stupid. |
| 20:43.00 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:43.08 | Kallieen | heh |
| 20:43.08 | AckisWork | drink coffee today? :P |
| 20:43.33 | Zhinjio | me? who me? what're you sayingthatI'moutofcontrolorsomethign? |
| 20:43.59 | Kallieen | Mmm..coffee |
| 20:44.23 | tekkub | http://www.johnnywander.com/ |
| 20:44.31 | tekkub | I like when the artist writes the comic |
| 20:44.49 | geargrind | mmm... bawls |
| 20:44.53 | AckisWork | lol Zhinjio someone woke up happy today :P |
| 20:44.54 | geargrind | > coffee imo |
| 20:45.26 | Kallieen | Bawls is amazing, but, not so good hot |
| 20:45.32 | Etanol | coffee is crazy |
| 20:45.46 | Zhinjio | I don't actually drink coffee, I was just making fun of Ackis. |
| 20:45.53 | AckisWork | I know |
| 20:45.54 | geargrind | you know what's really annoying though? drinks that don't have caffeinated versions :> |
| 20:46.09 | AckisWork | mountain dew |
| 20:46.15 | geargrind | http://www.aonevitamins.com/caffeine.htm imo |
| 20:46.15 | AckisWork | sprite |
| 20:46.22 | Zhinjio | I'm fairly certain my caffeine to blood ratio has been so high for the past 20 years that I'm now immune to caffeine. |
| 20:46.33 | Kallieen | Which reminds me... *orders Case o' Bawls from ThinkGeek* |
| 20:46.52 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: guildie asking... any complaints about routes/sexymapHUD thinger problems? |
| 20:46.59 | Zhinjio | or other routes issues? |
| 20:47.04 | Xinhuan | Routes has issues |
| 20:47.07 | geargrind | Kallieen: check amazon. the price with shipping may be less than thinkgeek |
| 20:47.12 | Xinhuan | lets just say i'm in dire maul |
| 20:47.21 | Xinhuan | routes isn't updated to work with rotating minimaps yet |
| 20:47.26 | Kallieen | ThinkGeek is doing free shipping for orders over $30 right now :D |
| 20:47.44 | Xinhuan | but for the most part would work otherwise |
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| 20:47.50 | geargrind | Why wasn't I told about this? WHO'S IN CHARGE? |
| 20:47.58 | Xinhuan | i'm seeing one or two weird errors, but dunno where to trace it to yet |
| 20:48.09 | Kallieen | geargrind: Sign up for their newsletter :) |
| 20:48.19 | geargrind | :) |
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| 20:56.08 | Adys | since people love debating so much |
| 20:56.19 | Adys | open for discussion |
| 20:56.44 | Adys | what's hardest/longest/toughest to develop: wine or windows? |
| 20:57.04 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom. |
| 20:57.19 | Adys | ~whalelaser NightHawkTheSane's mom |
| 20:57.20 | purl | ACTION calls Jean-Pierre, a planet-sized whale from the future, who starts firing deadly lazerbeams from his head on NightHawkTheSane's mom, disintegrating every single cell from their body, leaving nothing but dust |
| 20:57.25 | durcyn | I don't know what you're talkinga bout, I developed his mom in five minutes last night. |
| 20:57.31 | Adys | pokes kd3 |
| 20:57.32 | Kazie | Can anyone tell me how to remove the "elite dragon" icon from Aloft nameplates? i have gone through all settings a couple of times now and it seems that it's just not there to turn it off :s |
| 20:58.26 | Etanol | omg :/ |
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| 20:58.36 | Etanol | there's a hidden error in my code |
| 20:58.44 | durcyn | it's hot hidden if you found it! |
| 20:58.46 | Adys | report it to a gm |
| 21:00.49 | Spellbinder | there was |
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| 21:03.34 | NightHawkTheSane | This is pretty neat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XNTjVScm_8 |
| 21:04.10 | Aelobin | is there any way to negate the fireball damage in onyxia without fire ress? can you dodge them? |
| 21:04.20 | tekkub | Hrm... did they tweak the mailbox to discourage people from using it as infinate storage? |
| 21:04.29 | Adys | tekkub: ? |
| 21:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | define tweak? |
| 21:04.36 | tekkub | I had like 10 items I left in there last night, and they're still showing up |
| 21:04.50 | tekkub | the 40 "in front" fill in with new mail |
| 21:04.50 | Adys | .. so? |
| 21:05.05 | ckknight | cool, NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:05.09 | tekkub | but those last ones aren't pushed back into the depths of the server like they used to |
| 21:05.30 | Adys | its 50 the limit |
| 21:05.31 | Adys | not 40 |
| 21:05.41 | tekkub | yes you're not getting what I'm saying |
| 21:05.46 | Adys | but how would that discourage people? |
| 21:05.51 | Adys | it would encourage them rather |
| 21:05.55 | tekkub | in the past, those last 10 would push off the 50 limit and not be shown |
| 21:06.12 | Adys | maybe they get cached? |
| 21:06.17 | Coren{de} | are you saying the 10 are actually lost when >40 new get in? |
| 21:06.17 | tekkub | it would discourage it because the mail doesn't get pushed back off the front page |
| 21:06.28 | tekkub | *headdesk* |
| 21:06.33 | Adys | huh |
| 21:06.34 | tekkub | onld behavior: |
| 21:06.37 | tekkub | *old |
| 21:07.00 | tekkub | your 10 old mails get bushed to the bottom of the inbox, if they're beyond the 50 limit they're not shown |
| 21:07.21 | tekkub | new: they stay shown, only the leftover shows new unseen mail |
| 21:07.40 | tekkub | so if you fill your inbox up, you're not going to see new mail when it arrives |
| 21:07.52 | Coren{de} | ah, so the sorting by arrival date is broken |
| 21:07.58 | tekkub | until you open or otherwise get rid of the current ones |
| 21:08.01 | NightHawkTheSane | or intentionally changed. |
| 21:08.04 | Adys | right |
| 21:08.08 | Adys | i get it now |
| 21:08.13 | Adys | what does the "unseen mail" look like? |
| 21:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you could have just said they changed the sort order :P |
| 21:08.19 | Adys | sounds intended |
| 21:08.27 | Coren{de} | sounds bugged |
| 21:08.28 | tekkub | that's what I'm asking, did they do it intentionally to discourage the people that just bounce mail between alts for infinate storage |
| 21:08.37 | Kallieen | They may have |
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| 21:09.17 | Coren{de} | the people who bounce will continue bouncing, this wouldn't change anything IMHO... I don't even login my bounce alt, I just wait for the returned mail :D |
| 21:09.39 | Kallieen | I just set my alt up with a guild bank, much simpler |
| 21:09.44 | tekkub | sure it would, you'd have to bounce mail a lot more if your box is full and you want to get to the new mail |
| 21:09.47 | Coren{de} | too expensive :> |
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| 21:10.39 | Kirov | Returned mail is "free" (only one way cost) |
| 21:10.42 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: thats gory |
| 21:11.02 | Kirov | Probably cheaper than the 100g for a giant back and another bank slot. |
| 21:11.09 | tekkub | yea, the point being this change makes mail bouncing even more inconvienent, if it was intentional |
| 21:11.09 | Kirov | bag |
| 21:11.28 | tekkub | 100g is cheap though these days |
| 21:11.37 | Coren{de} | tekkub, but that would only be true if I wanted to access bouncing mail out of the bounce-order... bounce-alt gets stuff like fish or plants or whatever crap, where it doesn't exactly matter which fish bounces back, as long as there's something to eat ;) |
| 21:11.39 | tekkub | and certainly easier to work with than mail bouncing |
| 21:12.18 | Coren{de} | and if it stayed this way, I'd just setup a second alt to ping-pong bounce :D |
| 21:12.30 | Kirov | One of the designers at Blizzard once said he enjoyed the inventory management part of the game (refering to Diablo 2 originaly, then made the comment again about WoW) |
| 21:12.31 | tekkub | Coren{de}: aye, it just making things less convient, and I'm guessing it's intentional to discourage the practice |
| 21:13.11 | tekkub | inventory management IS needed, otherwise people would simply packrat every single item and there would be no player econonmy |
| 21:13.18 | Coren{de} | Kirov, related to bags, sure, and there the bouncing helps nothing, as a druid I still have 2 full bags of gear *on me* |
| 21:13.21 | tekkub | but it doesn't need to be unreasonably difficult |
| 21:14.12 | Coren{de} | and with dual-spec I probably need almost a complete third bag :D |
| 21:14.35 | Kirov | I would think that this is an unintentional change though, considering they just made mail instant between alts. |
| 21:14.47 | Coren{de} | that was some while ago, Kirov |
| 21:14.57 | tekkub | yea that was quite some time ago |
| 21:14.59 | tekkub | pre-wraf |
| 21:15.19 | Kirov | In the 4+ years of wow, it's recent. |
| 21:15.23 | Kirov | heh |
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| 21:15.50 | Kirov | Or, more to the point, in the speed Blizzard makes intentional changes to things like this it's recent. |
| 21:16.14 | Tuller | danger gmail down? |
| 21:16.30 | Kallieen | Yours too? |
| 21:16.32 | Kirov | Tuller - google in general is having issues |
| 21:16.37 | Coren{de} | "Upload in progress" on WoW-I doesn't complete, but the file is still updated... I guess the server is still not entirely happy :( |
| 21:16.56 | tekkub | I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITHOUT ME EMAIL |
| 21:17.01 | tekkub | oh right, actually do work |
| 21:17.07 | tekkub | oh restock the AH... |
| 21:17.10 | tekkub | *ponder* |
| 21:17.10 | Tuller | well its my email AND im! |
| 21:17.18 | tekkub | who needs IM |
| 21:17.20 | tekkub | IRC |
| 21:17.41 | Tuller | actual humans do not use irc |
| 21:17.52 | Kallieen | O.o |
| 21:18.00 | Kirov | tekkub - by any chance are you using comcast? |
| 21:18.06 | tekkub | and you don't need to be associating yourself with them |
| 21:18.08 | nicoli_s | boo comcast |
| 21:18.16 | tekkub | Kirov: aye |
| 21:18.34 | Tuller | comcast blew up google? |
| 21:18.48 | Kallieen | I knew they were evil.... |
| 21:19.01 | Kirov | Tuller - as best I can tell, there are three things happening right now |
| 21:19.01 | tekkub | it's kinda funny, this is actually hindering my AH restocking |
| 21:19.12 | tekkub | I scanned the AH, bought up the good priced herbs I saw |
| 21:19.24 | Kirov | comcast's internal network is fucked, some backbone is fucked, and internal google is fucked. |
| 21:19.33 | tekkub | go to mail, herbs is there, I don't want to open them yet, but they're taking up all the slots |
| 21:19.44 | tekkub | as are the herbs I bought last night |
| 21:20.05 | tekkub | I wanted to just take out unsolds, toss em on AH, then do the herbs after my items are up for sale |
| 21:20.24 | tekkub | since milling only takes like 15 minutes of mashing the same damn key over and over |
| 21:20.25 | Kallieen | Kirov: Lovely. |
| 21:20.41 | Tuller | also, has someone written a dual spec bindings thingy so that I can point people to it? |
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| 21:21.00 | tekkub | binding don't change with spec change? |
| 21:21.02 | Coren{de} | huh? dual spec bindings? |
| 21:21.25 | Tuller | per users, they don't |
| 21:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | http://nerdmeritbadges.com/ |
| 21:21.31 | Tuller | but I've not tested it myself |
| 21:21.33 | Xinhuan | is it me or does UPDATE_BINDINGS fires on entering/exiting combat |
| 21:21.39 | tekkub | what do users know |
| 21:22.22 | DWSR | Guys, I'm looking for an alphamap replacement? |
| 21:22.27 | DWSR | Anyone that can suggest one? |
| 21:22.29 | tekkub | hehe, case in point why I want to toss unsolds on AH first... I've already sold 200g |
| 21:22.37 | tekkub | and I'm still pulling unsolds out of mail |
| 21:22.58 | Tuller | also, someone needs to make the wowui forums not general chat |
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| 21:23.14 | tekkub | Tuller: WM's fault for not having a forum |
| 21:23.19 | Xinhuan | you read wowui? |
| 21:23.21 | tekkub | their lusers have nowhere to vent |
| 21:23.52 | Kallieen | ^^ Since tekkub types to fast |
| 21:23.56 | Tuller | either that, or blizzard's search feature needs to work |
| 21:24.07 | Xinhuan | oh THAT wow ui |
| 21:24.15 | Xinhuan | i thought you meant wowui @ incgamers |
| 21:24.37 | DWSR | Need a replacement for Alphamap. Anyone that can suggest one? |
| 21:24.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: no search feature could filter out the idiocy on the official forums |
| 21:25.03 | Spellbinder | i want a rotation for a all out dps Dual Wield Fury warrior |
| 21:25.15 | Tuller | 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 |
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| 21:25.22 | Tuller | wait, that's my rogue? :P |
| 21:25.36 | Coren{de} | ./attack on; /afk; /loot ? |
| 21:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Spellbinder: mash buttons until everything's on CD, then start mashing whatever comes off first. |
| 21:25.50 | Spellbinder | yeah lol |
| 21:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Oh, wait, that's every class, nevermind. |
| 21:26.07 | Spellbinder | hahaha |
| 21:26.19 | Dewin | Actually, on arcane mage if I cast a spell at the wrong time I lose lots of damage ;) |
| 21:26.35 | Spellbinder | im arcane too |
| 21:26.36 | Coren{de} | Not really, there's classes where the order of buttonpushs is context-sensitive |
| 21:26.38 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but that gets in the way of a good joke ;) |
| 21:26.44 | Spellbinder | but only 53 i think |
| 21:26.57 | Spellbinder | lol 35 |
| 21:27.39 | Spellbinder | but i want to try ice to get that water elemental |
| 21:27.49 | Dewin | Spellbinder: I respecced FFB to Arcane in 3.1 and am loving it |
| 21:28.04 | Dewin | aside from the quickly vanishing mana, that is |
| 21:28.18 | Spellbinder | lots of mana ingame |
| 21:28.22 | Xinhuan | EJ says FFB tops damage over Arcane in 3.1 though |
| 21:28.29 | Dewin | Spellbinder: I am endgame ;) |
| 21:28.36 | Spellbinder | yay |
| 21:28.38 | VonhintenHOME` | Xin, interesting |
| 21:28.46 | Kirov | Yeah, arcane's been nerfed |
| 21:28.48 | Dewin | Though most of the results were from testing on dummies (no raid buffs) and in PVP |
| 21:28.53 | Xinhuan | EJ has reached the conclusion tahat FFB > FB > Arcane |
| 21:28.58 | VonhintenHOME` | whoa |
| 21:28.58 | Spellbinder | my warrior been 79 for months :/ |
| 21:29.00 | Xinhuan | for 3.1 |
| 21:29.10 | Dewin | Xin: So far I'm doing better DPS as arcane in 3.1 than I did FFB in 3.0 |
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| 21:29.18 | Dewin | Granted, I don't have a lot of data yet. |
| 21:29.20 | NightHawkTheSane | skill > spec? :P |
| 21:29.23 | Xinhuan | well in 3.0, arcane > FB > FFB |
| 21:29.25 | Xinhuan | 3.0.9 |
| 21:29.27 | Kirov | EJ says FFB > FB, but all the numbers seem to show Fire doing more. |
| 21:29.32 | Xinhuan | i can assure you that |
| 21:29.38 | VonhintenHOME` | What do they attribute FFB and FB being better than Arcane to? |
| 21:29.43 | Kirov | Xinhuan - not true, Fire > Arcane > FFB in the best possible gear |
| 21:29.44 | Xinhuan | part of the key has to do with theliving bomb glyph |
| 21:29.55 | VonhintenHOME` | critting on LB? |
| 21:29.55 | Xinhuan | which most servers don't have yet |
| 21:29.57 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 21:29.58 | Tuller | "I have to second imzocrazy, on that I'd like the option of not replacing the Bank window. Also, is there anyway I can use Bagnon and still open the toons I'm playing bags individually, instead of them all opening as one huge confusing bag? Otherwise, this mod would be just what I was looking for." |
| 21:29.58 | Dewin | That was one thing I need to find out still, if the dot crits can proc hot streak |
| 21:30.04 | Spellbinder | whats skill NightHawkTheSane? numbercrushing, farming, ? |
| 21:30.11 | NightHawkTheSane | player skill. |
| 21:30.15 | Xinhuan | so as it stands, arcane will likely still top until living bomb glyph is found by someone |
| 21:30.19 | Spellbinder | killing stuff? |
| 21:30.23 | Xinhuan | without it, its nto competitive enough |
| 21:30.30 | Dewin | well my mage is dual spec so not really a problem |
| 21:30.33 | NightHawkTheSane | rotations. |
| 21:30.34 | Tuller | that's the second time I've gotten a "bagnon is great, but can I have it not look like bagnon?" request |
| 21:30.37 | Kirov | Me and another mage did some basic testing with arcane vs frostfire (both of us w/ Focus Magic) and his dps was higher, but I did 50% more damage |
| 21:30.38 | VonhintenHOME` | LB crits overwrite ignite? |
| 21:30.59 | Kirov | VonhintenHOME` - only if the final explosion crits |
| 21:31.02 | Xinhuan | ignites don't overwrite |
| 21:31.05 | Xinhuan | they roll |
| 21:31.12 | Kirov | dot crits don't have ignite |
| 21:31.21 | Xinhuan | exact same mechanic as deep wounds |
| 21:31.24 | Dewin | I've procced ignite off being hit with molten armor on. >.> |
| 21:31.24 | VonhintenHOME` | hmm |
| 21:31.29 | Spellbinder | you need skill knowledge about armor, weapon, spells, trees, lore, etc etc etc |
| 21:31.37 | Dewin | much to my annoyance when I'm trying to polymorph and run away |
| 21:31.57 | NightHawkTheSane | glyph of polymorph? |
| 21:32.00 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 21:32.13 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:32.16 | Dewin | Maybe if it was a minor glyph. |
| 21:32.20 | Xinhuan | well, Dewin, i'm more inclined to believe the 30 mages theorycrafting on EJ than your empirical testing ;p |
| 21:32.36 | Coren{de} | wow, EQ is 10 years old... and old-model-Firiona-Vie still kicks new-model-Firiona-Vie's ass :> |
| 21:32.48 | VonhintenHOME` | So wait.. FFB is better than even the most heavy mana use Arcane? |
| 21:32.50 | Dewin | Xin: I did a lot of EJ reading too. In any event, I intend to test more eventually |
| 21:32.58 | VonhintenHOME` | That just seems wrong |
| 21:33.25 | Xinhuan | what EJ made clear though, is that although FFB > FB > Arcane, the 3 specs are very close to each other in damage, and the best spec may be any of those 3 depending on gear that you currently may or may not have |
| 21:33.46 | Kirov | VonhintenHOME` - Specifically the top dps FFB spec is abusing the dual spec mechanics |
| 21:34.01 | Xinhuan | http://elitistjerks.com/f75/ -- see the thread "WotLK - Complete Mage Compendium (3.1 Updated)" first post |
| 21:34.03 | Etanol | -_- |
| 21:34.05 | Dewin | Kirov: dual spec focus magic spec back out? |
| 21:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: so.. the take away is probably closer to "pick whichever you like, don't suck at it, and you'll probably do fine"? :P |
| 21:34.16 | Xinhuan | yes NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:34.18 | Etanol | the error: no whitespace after "end" |
| 21:34.19 | Xinhuan | pretty much |
| 21:34.25 | Dewin | Interesting idea, and I have the ability to do it... |
| 21:34.25 | Kirov | Change to arcane, cast Focus Magic on someone that crits often (like an elemental shaman), switch back to ffb |
| 21:34.36 | VonhintenHOME` | Well, having imp scorch > not having imp scorch |
| 21:34.37 | Kirov | You get 100% uptime on the 3% crit |
| 21:34.40 | Xinhuan | FFB benefits from crit% the most |
| 21:34.47 | Xinhuan | especially with molten armor |
| 21:34.54 | Xinhuan | and the spirit conversion |
| 21:35.00 | NightHawkTheSane | no need for imp scorch if you have another mage with it, or a lock with imp sb. |
| 21:35.04 | Xinhuan | which is why FFB edged out over FB |
| 21:35.08 | NightHawkTheSane | so depends on raid comp, really |
| 21:35.34 | VonhintenHOME` | ok, focus magic with ffb will get nerfed |
| 21:35.41 | Etanol | ~whitespace |
| 21:35.42 | purl | from memory, whitespace is a cool company. |
| 21:35.57 | Xinhuan | VonhintenHOME`, perhaps |
| 21:36.02 | Xinhuan | until it does, it edges out |
| 21:36.11 | Xinhuan | by that tiny bit |
| 21:36.13 | Dewin | I wouldn't rely on dual-spec "exploits" for determining the best DPS spec. |
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| 21:36.40 | Xinhuan | are you not understanding that all classes could do it? |
| 21:36.43 | NeoTron | Kirov: that's obviously a bug since talent specific buffs are supposed to fall off at talent switch |
| 21:36.47 | Xinhuan | like spec improved divine spirit in an offspec |
| 21:36.51 | Xinhuan | and switch to it, cast |
| 21:36.53 | Xinhuan | and switch out? |
| 21:37.02 | nevcairiel | should go away |
| 21:37.33 | DWSR | anyone here use Cartographer 3? |
| 21:37.37 | Dewin | NeoTron: the complication is that focus magic is cast on someone else, and my guess is the game doesn't have an easy way to go "you cast this on player X" (though "player X cast this on you" is an easy question to answer) |
| 21:37.38 | Xinhuan | it only goes away on yourself nevcairiel |
| 21:37.42 | Xinhuan | not on people you casted it on |
| 21:38.10 | Xinhuan | for eg, if a 2nd mage casted Focus Magic on me, and i speced out of focus magic to another spec, I lose that buff |
| 21:38.12 | foxlit | clearly, addons need twitter accounts |
| 21:38.16 | JackBurton7676 | anyone have efficient talent build for pve priest heal/dps specs? |
| 21:38.19 | Xinhuan | but the person i casted it on doesn't lose it |
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| 21:40.25 | Xinhuan | so while its an exploit of sorts, its one blizzard knows about but didn't fix |
| 21:40.30 | NeoTron | Dewin: right but thing about paladin buffs |
| 21:40.38 | NeoTron | if the paladin put greater blessings up and leave the raid, the buffs fall off |
| 21:40.41 | NeoTron | so they have the mechanic |
| 21:40.42 | kneeki | wow |
| 21:40.45 | NeoTron | similar enough at least |
| 21:40.50 | kneeki | I suck at making custom textures in photoshop |
| 21:40.56 | Xinhuan | not the same mechanic at all NeoTron |
| 21:41.03 | Dewin | NeoTron: Does Focus Magic have to be cast on someone in party/raid? |
| 21:41.05 | Xinhuan | one involves the buffer leaving the raid |
| 21:41.07 | Xinhuan | the other doesn't |
| 21:41.12 | NeoTron | Dewin: I assume so |
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| 21:41.18 | Xinhuan | Dewin: no |
| 21:41.25 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: just meant that there is functionality to remove someone's buff on everyone |
| 21:41.26 | Dewin | Scanning through buffs on at most 40 people is cheap |
| 21:41.36 | Dewin | Scanning throuh everyone in the game to see who it was that got your focus magic buff is not :) |
| 21:41.37 | NeoTron | obviously the trigger would be "respecced" rather than "leave the raid" |
| 21:42.29 | foxlit | both |
| 21:42.42 | foxlit | soulstones go away when people leave raids, for example. |
| 21:42.46 | Dewin | hmm. |
| 21:42.47 | Dewin | Actually |
| 21:42.55 | Dewin | Focus magic IS tracked, it has to be |
| 21:42.56 | Kallieen | Later all. Been nice talking to you, but I have to go take an exam now :( |
| 21:43.01 | Xinhuan | yeah but you can't cast soulstone on someone not in your raid |
| 21:43.01 | Dewin | Otherwise you'd be able to cast it on multiple people |
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| 21:43.12 | NeoTron | basically it will be fixed reasonbly easy |
| 21:43.13 | Xinhuan | you can cast focus magic on anyone, or divine spirit |
| 21:43.34 | NeoTron | back in the days you could spec felguard, summon, respec and still have the FG + demo related buffs up |
| 21:43.37 | Dewin | Yeah, but you can only cast it on one person at a time. So it is just a simple bug and not a matter with tracking spells. |
| 21:44.00 | Xinhuan | how do you track potentially 20000 ppl being buffed by your imp divine spirit then? :) |
| 21:44.54 | foxlit | DELETE FROM buffs WHERE caster = "foo" AND buffid = 42 |
| 21:44.56 | VonhintenHOME` | maybe that's why they still have the full mana dump on talent respec |
| 21:45.17 | Dewin | foxlit: Assuming that's how it's handled, that's easy. |
| 21:46.21 | Dewin | I was thinking the possibility it was more like struct player { ... struct buff buffs[...] }; struct buff { blahblahblah, player *caster; }; |
| 21:47.04 | Dewin | I doubt live gamestate is in an SQL database. Offline storage, however... likely. |
| 21:47.21 | Xinhuan | how do you factor in the old fact that armory used to show buffs |
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| 21:47.29 | Xinhuan | if the gamestate isn't an SQL database? |
| 21:47.43 | Dewin | Armory: buffs at logoff, or buffs at that moment? |
| 21:47.50 | Xinhuan | buffs at logoff |
| 21:47.52 | pnorman | at logoff |
| 21:48.01 | Dewin | I'm assuming when you logoff it's written to a database and when you log in it's fetched back out |
| 21:48.06 | Dewin | the time in between is all in-memory |
| 21:48.11 | Xinhuan | at logoff, i'll assume its written to a sql database |
| 21:48.34 | nicoli_s | well i know when i was working on a wow emu, we would save on logout, major events(getting an item, quest, etc) or every so often |
| 21:48.35 | durcyn | you have to checkpoint periodically though, dewin, or state is lost if something blows up |
| 21:48.46 | nicoli_s | and every* |
| 21:48.48 | durcyn | and things, well, blow up. |
| 21:48.49 | Dewin | durcyn: Well, yeah, that's a given. |
| 21:48.52 | pnorman | It could be all saved in some internal format and at log off it pushes data to the armory which keeps it in it's database |
| 21:49.02 | Dewin | That's actually how rollbacks can cause item loss or duplication, at least in some games. |
| 21:49.27 | durcyn | it's happened in wow, too |
| 21:49.30 | Dewin | give player item X, they logoff (forcing their character to be saved immediately), game crashes and rolls back to before you gave player item X. |
| 21:49.30 | Arrowmaster | it happens in wow |
| 21:49.39 | *** part/#wowuidev Martinp23 (i=martinp2@freenode/staff/wikimedia.martinp23) |
| 21:49.51 | durcyn | every time there's an exploitable crash -someone-'s going to try to use it to dupe |
| 21:49.56 | Xinhuan | all item updates should update the db immediately now though |
| 21:50.20 | Arrowmaster | server crash, you have reward A from quest X that you turned in before the crash but now you still have quest X so now you can get either another A or a B |
| 21:50.38 | Arrowmaster | happens a lot |
| 21:50.43 | Xinhuan | then that's a bug where the quest state didn't get saved, but items did |
| 21:50.59 | Dewin | Trying to remember the one that hit me awhile back around patch 3.0 |
| 21:51.27 | pnorman | we had someone lose items on a crash on tuesday |
| 21:51.55 | foxlit | items are really, really paranoid |
| 21:52.05 | Dewin | gold too I imagine |
| 21:52.08 | Arrowmaster | there was the entire mount issue at 3.0 launch because of the crashes |
| 21:52.10 | Trela | I have a good one that happened to me. I was farming the last several points to finish Alchemy, made the potions, and got the last three points. Server crashes, points are gone, but I have the potions and no herbs to remake those potions. Game master: "Tough shit, hahahahaha!" |
| 21:52.13 | Dewin | well... gold trades anyways |
| 21:52.20 | foxlit | compared to practically everything else. The leveling professions in the wrath beta was a cruel experience |
| 21:52.30 | Dewin | looting 2 silver, 36 copper probably happens so often it'd be expensive to save |
| 21:52.35 | foxlit | craft 20 items - server restart - keep items, lose skill. |
| 21:52.54 | Xinhuan | did you know i found a reliable way to dupe ore ;p |
| 21:53.00 | Xinhuan | sent it to blizz and it got fixed in 24 hours |
| 21:53.05 | Dewin | Foxlit: I can imagine explaining that one to a GM. "See, it says <Made by Me> but I need 20 more skill points to even learn the recipe." |
| 21:53.30 | Dewin | Biggest 3.1 issue I've had so far was Flame Leviathan not adding me to the loot table. No badge, no sparkles, nothing. |
| 21:53.37 | Dewin | Rest of the raid got it. |
| 21:53.47 | tekkub | it knew you sucked |
| 21:53.58 | tekkub | it did what was best for the gorup |
| 21:53.58 | Xinhuan | the bug involved retrieving mail and having the retrieved item stack with an existing stack of items in your bags while you prospect it |
| 21:54.01 | Dewin | tekkub: the only one interested in the drop was me. |
| 21:54.10 | tekkub | see |
| 21:54.18 | tekkub | it punished you as it should have |
| 21:54.38 | pnorman | Biggest 3.1 issue I've had is the frequent northrend and instance crashes |
| 21:54.50 | Dewin | well |
| 21:54.53 | Trela | Like when 3.0 came out. |
| 21:54.57 | Dewin | besides that :) |
| 21:55.10 | Xinhuan | we didn't have northrend or instance crashes surprisingly - instead we had several Eastern Kingdoms crashes |
| 21:55.14 | Xinhuan | nothing else crashed |
| 21:55.31 | Dewin | Last night our server broke in new and interesting ways. |
| 21:55.44 | Dewin | 50% of the population on all continents couldn't do anything, they were just stuck casting, etc. |
| 21:56.07 | Dewin | Other 50% (including me) could move around and cast fine, but no mobs/quest items were around and we couldn't leave the continent. |
| 21:56.24 | theorbtwo | My guess would be that the frontend server was OK, but the backend SQL server ... hm, possibly not. |
| 21:56.37 | theorbtwo | That wouldn't effect only some players. |
| 21:56.42 | Dewin | was weird too, I tried to portal to SW from the middle of Northrend |
| 21:56.52 | Dewin | click, I'd get the "honorless target" debuff but wouldn't move, and I could keep refreshing the buff. |
| 21:57.07 | Dewin | hearthed from there back to Dalaran just fine though |
| 21:57.39 | pnorman | fell through the airship in icecrown twice yesterday |
| 21:58.02 | Dewin | Airships are weird. |
| 21:58.23 | Trela | Three hours to copy 555gbs of data. x.x |
| 21:58.27 | Dewin | as are boats I think, but I've never tried to stand in the path of a boat. |
| 21:58.41 | pnorman | I have, boats react differently |
| 21:58.47 | pnorman | Or at least they did when I last tried it |
| 21:59.00 | Dewin | do they push or do they go non-solid? |
| 21:59.10 | theorbtwo | Hm, I think I have accidentally once, but I can't remember what happened. |
| 21:59.17 | Trela | If I remember correctly, boats/air ships act like as if they are a completely different map, but not. |
| 21:59.28 | Arrowmaster | boats and zeps are different than the icecrown airships |
| 21:59.31 | Trela | Boats can push or not push, depends what you hit in them. |
| 21:59.36 | Dewin | you can't collide with an airship if you're not moving. |
| 22:00.06 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: for good reason |
| 22:00.12 | geargrind | burning stupid: "The snowstorm we had several months ago... was that an effect from Al Gores GLOBAL WARMING?? " |
| 22:00.29 | Arrowmaster | remember if you hit an object at the right angle you land and can then slide down it |
| 22:00.30 | Dewin | Once you land on it though, it capture you and you move with it, even if you start flying provided you stay really close. |
| 22:00.38 | geargrind | "Al Gore's global warming" ... riiiight... |
| 22:00.49 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: I hate that bug. |
| 22:00.59 | pnorman | you can even get stuck inside it |
| 22:01.24 | theorbtwo | I've seen mobs, a few time, get stuck inside trees. |
| 22:01.30 | theorbtwo | Quite annoying. |
| 22:01.33 | Trela | I get the feeling that the Blizzard programmers are not exactly the best at collision mechanics. |
| 22:01.39 | Dewin | Spear of Hodir quest killed my wife's toon that way. Dragon landed on the mountainside, she got out and fell halfway to her death... then mounted, which kicked her off the mountain to fall the rest of the way to her death. |
| 22:02.04 | theorbtwo | (I play hunter, and that unkilled dot on my minimap annoys me.) |
| 22:02.07 | Dewin | Trela: More likely it's a matter of trying to keep the computations inexpensive |
| 22:02.09 | tekkub | whiner! |
| 22:02.32 | Dewin | tekkub: The funniest part of all of that is that she's a priest and could have levitated. |
| 22:02.46 | tekkub | see, so it's her own god damn fault |
| 22:03.05 | Dewin | She also fails at aerial chicken, though we had a good laugh about it. |
| 22:03.21 | tekkub | falling contests! |
| 22:03.43 | foxlit | someone, quick, fail at geomtry for me! |
| 22:04.33 | tekkub | foxlit: think outside the parallelepiped |
| 22:05.25 | kneeki | If I want to move the MultiBarRight up, like 100px, how do I keep it at that point, without the client just putting it back a few seconds later (during an onupdate i suppose) ? |
| 22:09.19 | theorbtwo | Heh. |
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| 22:10.15 | theorbtwo | I once explored the very edge of the world tree, near Darnassus. |
| 22:10.20 | theorbtwo | There's some great art over there. |
| 22:10.47 | theorbtwo | However, if you are dead, and at surface level, you need to walk a quarter of the way around the world tree to get to a spirit healer. |
| 22:11.09 | theorbtwo | Thank God you can use the teleporter from whatsit back to Darnassus while dead. |
| 22:11.21 | theorbtwo | (Note that you *can't* use a hearthstone while dead.) |
| 22:12.06 | Tem | once upon a time, if you did autounstuck while dead, it sent you back to the graveyard |
| 22:13.18 | Kaso | get a friend to add you to battleground queue and get teleported out when it starts |
| 22:13.47 | pnorman | That work with the changes? |
| 22:17.55 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, does that still work now? |
| 22:18.04 | Kaso | hmm |
| 22:18.09 | Kaso | actually i havent tried it |
| 22:18.12 | Kazie | Does anyone know of an updated and working DKP auction addoN? |
| 22:18.16 | Thunder_Child | might put you back to where you were |
| 22:18.20 | Thunder_Child | since it remembers |
| 22:18.38 | nevcairiel | Yeah, getting out of a BG now places you where you were before porting in |
| 22:19.40 | Shirik | yay |
| 22:19.44 | Shirik | has his 3rd blackberry |
| 22:20.01 | Fisker- | makes fun of Shirik's blackberry |
| 22:20.04 | Trela | Even if you were flying on a flight point, but you come back not flying and falling instead. :P |
| 22:20.52 | NeoTron | win http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/16474237859-hardmodes-or-not-1-day-clear-is-stupid.html |
| 22:21.53 | nevcairiel | People are really stupid about that |
| 22:22.06 | nevcairiel | some guild of 24/7 players clears the instance |
| 22:22.07 | nevcairiel | so what? |
| 22:22.24 | End | that's like playing a fps on normal |
| 22:22.24 | Shirik | Adys: ping |
| 22:22.28 | End | and complaining it's too easy |
| 22:22.40 | End | and not touching the veteran, or hard, or legendary or whatever they call it |
| 22:23.17 | End | (same thing with RTS games too, although they didn't always provide multiple difficulties) |
| 22:23.44 | NeoTron | not to mention no one will think ulduar is "cleared" until hard modes are cleared |
| 22:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: "people are really stupid" |
| 22:24.28 | End | yeah algalon is still not cleared :P |
| 22:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i like some of eyonix's responses though :) |
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| 22:25.51 | NeoTron | not to mention the 24h clear or whatever was by a guild that not only does it for a job but who had already killed all the bosses already on the PTR |
| 22:26.02 | NeoTron | so all they had to truly work on was normal mode yogg |
| 22:26.08 | Cloudwolf | hey is there an updated version of swatter? or something else so i can figure out why my addon no longer hooks correctly? |
| 22:26.09 | End | indeed |
| 22:26.10 | NeoTron | which took them what, 7 hours? |
| 22:26.19 | DWSR | NeoTron: Ensidia.\ |
| 22:26.28 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect ulduar was designed to be moderately easy on normal mode, and brutally hard on hard mode |
| 22:26.55 | Trela | Cloudwolf: Yes and the old version works fine as well. |
| 22:26.57 | Etanol | ~pie |
| 22:26.58 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 22:27.24 | Cloudwolf | trela ty |
| 22:27.24 | NeoTron | ZorbaTHut: not brutally hard I don't think. hard for sure but no swp except eerhaps algalon |
| 22:28.13 | Etanol | Ensidia really showed that EU>US when they cleared before Vodka, even though Vodka had a 30h earlier start |
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| 22:30.17 | NeoTron | Etanol: they rather showed that Ensidia > vodka |
| 22:30.26 | NeoTron | Etanol: better wellfare in the EU ! |
| 22:30.38 | Etanol | vodka is the best guild in the US, ensidia is dito in EU |
| 22:30.41 | NeoTron | did Ensidia clear the whole place or just go to yogg asap? |
| 22:30.48 | NeoTron | becuase several bosses are optional |
| 22:30.58 | geargrind | ha... someone called us horrified that a google search of his phone number brought up detailed ordering from us with shipping address, phone number, etc |
| 22:31.20 | geargrind | he gave me a tinyurl link of the result that he was worried about |
| 22:31.27 | WhiteWolf | argh |
| 22:31.29 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/content/store/geom.png << and that is the *sigh* easy version |
| 22:31.34 | Arrowmaster | you know i would be worried about that too |
| 22:31.46 | geargrind | and it resolved to http://127.0.0.1:6908......... |
| 22:31.51 | Arrowmaster | why do you have customer records publicly available, and indexable by google |
| 22:31.53 | geargrind | google desktop 4tl |
| 22:31.55 | Etanol | foxlit: easy version of what? |
| 22:31.57 | Arrowmaster | oh lol |
| 22:32.12 | foxlit | of the actual geometry problem. |
| 22:32.22 | pnorman | foxlit: What are you trying to find out? |
| 22:32.26 | End | you're doing opie with submenues? |
| 22:32.39 | foxlit | Find the smallest r that doesn't result in any boxes intersecting |
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| 22:33.05 | NeoTron | geargrind: win |
| 22:33.10 | pnorman | can b < a be assumed? |
| 22:33.26 | pnorman | well, b <= a |
| 22:33.28 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:33.51 | pnorman | k, that eliminates anything depending on R, and the problem reduces to the upper 5 |
| 22:33.51 | foxlit | The number of boxes, however, is a variable. |
| 22:33.54 | pnorman | Ah |
| 22:34.11 | pnorman | Are both numbers variable? |
| 22:34.28 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:34.53 | Etanol | are ALL numbers variable? (R, r, a, b) ? |
| 22:34.54 | foxlit | I do have an iterative solution for R, though, and a,b are known. |
| 22:35.11 | pnorman | Must all centre points of the squares be equally spaced, or do you fit as many squares as you can on R? |
| 22:35.24 | Thunder_Child | did linking the entire profession get broken? |
| 22:35.51 | foxlit | Must be equally spaced radially, R is picked so that the big boxes do not intersect. |
| 22:36.46 | pnorman | well, in the case of R, spacing so that the straight line distance between two points is < sqrt(2)*a would give you non-touching, but it's not the minimum |
| 22:37.38 | pnorman | do you think you can assume that none of the b squares can touch a squares except for the one common to both circles? i know that fails for large number of squares on the circle |
| 22:38.21 | foxlit | (there's no little square corresponding to the big square at the point of contact) |
| 22:38.43 | foxlit | and I'm misreading that slightly. |
| 22:38.47 | pnorman | yes |
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| 22:39.38 | pnorman | Can you assume that there does not exist a square on circle R that is not the square on both circles that can intersect a square on circle r |
| 22:39.46 | DuTempete | Is there an addon that moves the scrolling message frame? |
| 22:40.23 | Etanol | foxlit: if you make a 90 degree dead space at the direction of the related big box, shouldn't that solve the problem? |
| 22:41.01 | pnorman | I know that is false in the general case for large numbers of squares, but it holds true as far as I can see for 1 to 6 squares |
| 22:41.05 | foxlit | pnorman: I'd rather not make that assumption. |
| 22:43.04 | foxlit | Etanol: that's a possible solution, but bends the equal angles requirement somewhat. |
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| 22:44.12 | Shirik | ok something is seriously broken with 7 |
| 22:44.14 | Shirik | IRC refuses to go behind other windows |
| 22:44.15 | pnorman | Consider a fixed R, a, b, and number of squares on both circles. Do you want the solution to r to hold for one particular common point, or all squares |
| 22:45.26 | pnorman | each square will have a different solution to r depending on the angle of the square relative to the line between the center of R and the square |
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| 22:46.05 | foxlit | All of them, unfortunately. |
| 22:46.38 | pnorman | k, so you'll have a unique solution for each square on R |
| 22:47.16 | JoGoiA | Hello everybody ! |
| 22:47.19 | foxlit | Mhm. I'd probably want to solve for the worst case. to avoid having that radius vary. |
| 22:47.54 | pnorman | I think worst case can be done by treating them as circles with a diameter equal to the corner to corner distance |
| 22:48.57 | tekkub | hey what's that site that'll run a file through a bunch of virus scanners |
| 22:49.33 | pnorman | yes, in fact, i'm pretty sure that the solution to the worst case is identical - if you were to vary the angle to the box in question while holding the angle of the box, it's equivalent to rotating the box and holding the angle to that position constant, and the area covered by a rotating object is a circle |
| 22:49.42 | nevcairiel | tekkub: virustotal.com |
| 22:49.58 | pnorman | So that actually gets you a closed form solution for R |
| 22:50.07 | tekkub | domo |
| 22:50.18 | Trela | http://virusscan.jotti.org/ |
| 22:50.22 | DuTempete | Okay, edit the question... the frame that's called UIErrorsFrame is what I want to move... anyone have anything that does it? I can't find anything. |
| 22:51.42 | Etanol | UIErrorsFrame:SetPoint() ;) |
| 22:52.02 | Etanol | or MoveIt addon |
| 22:52.21 | DuTempete | MoveIt? I'll look it up, thanks! |
| 22:53.21 | pnorman | so, for N squares on circle A, they'd be spaced at 2pi/N apart on the circle, and sin(pi/N) = sqrt(2) a / R |
| 22:55.32 | pnorman | er, sqrt(2)/2 * a / R |
| 22:56.04 | JoGoiA | I got a problem with playerModel and model:setposition(...) |
| 22:56.21 | JoGoiA | scuse me to interrupt ^^ |
| 22:56.24 | mikma | hahaa |
| 22:56.34 | mikma | Ignis the Firemaster is bugged |
| 22:56.56 | mikma | his Slag Pot spell should hit for 5k, now it hits 50k |
| 22:57.03 | JoGoiA | a lot, we spend a lot of time on it tonight... |
| 22:57.26 | JoGoiA | and it dosn't hit the player in it but the tank... |
| 22:57.33 | pnorman | then for circle B you'd need sin(pi/n) = (sqrt(2)*a+sqrt(2)*b)/2 /r for the condition of the b squares touching the a square in a possible rotation |
| 22:57.44 | DuTempete | Etanol: Apparently the addon I'm using, MoveAnything will move that frame with a slash command, it just isn't in the GUI. |
| 22:59.20 | pnorman | I can do way too much geometry in my head |
| 22:59.20 | DuTempete | There I go assuming the GUI was comprehensive :P |
| 22:59.24 | pnorman | brb |
| 22:59.45 | foxlit | Hah, well :) |
| 23:00.07 | foxlit | I mostly cheat by validating a given radius and increasing it on failure. |
| 23:01.41 | Trela | Checked a few WoWMatrix things, Omen is still good, QuestHelper is being hosted by them. |
| 23:02.15 | Trela | Taking five minutes for WoWMatrix to install QuestHelper... XD I setup a fake WoW folder to test. |
| 23:03.02 | pnorman | Well, my formula will definately hold for the A circle |
| 23:03.36 | pnorman | I presume this is a button layout? |
| 23:03.43 | foxlit | More or less. |
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| 23:04.28 | foxlit | The hard(er) version replaced the circle A with what is probably an ellipse. |
| 23:04.38 | JoGoiA | so... There's my problem : I've got a frame with >playerModel> in it. On the event PLAYER_CHANGED_TARGET, I use ModelTarget:SetUnit("playertarget") and after ModelTarget:SetPosition(0,0,-1); . It works perfectly after a reloadUI but on the second call of my event, the model change but the position is reset to 0,0,0. I use the SetAlpha and SetFacing to but they still. Why can I keep my... |
| 23:04.40 | JoGoiA | ...position on the PlayerModel Frame ? |
| 23:04.50 | pnorman | Do you maintain circle spacing as equal angles, or equal distance along the ellipse |
| 23:05.32 | JoGoiA | If someone is interrested by my problem, he can download my "beginning of an addon" here : ModelTarget:SetPosition(0,0,-1); |
| 23:05.49 | foxlit | Equal angles; increase radius to and side length of some of the big boxes. |
| 23:06.00 | JoGoiA | crap... the URL is : http://www.talbuk.org/POSTER/BozDreamingRaid.rar |
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| 23:06.59 | foxlit | Essentially, :SetScale with all of its effects on dimensions and anchors; boxes around A are positioned as if on a circle A, then scaled up. |
| 23:07.01 | pnorman | fox, the number of boxes and size of them will give you one equation, what's the second? |
| 23:07.13 | Thunder_Child | interesting, my mysterious egg has a duration of 0 sec |
| 23:08.14 | foxlit | As in controlling the ellipse? |
| 23:08.17 | pnorman | yes |
| 23:08.29 | pnorman | as the ellipse has two variables to define the shape |
| 23:09.11 | pnorman | therefor in the general case there can be multiple (infinately many?) solutions. |
| 23:09.43 | Aqua | Anyone know a good place to find video encoding help? |
| 23:10.26 | foxlit | (a) It's probably not an ellipse -- I'm guessing it resembles one, but I'm not sure whether the operations performed to deform the circle are coherent enough. |
| 23:10.56 | pnorman | also, I think you want the boxes spaced at equal distances along the ellipse, not equal angles. |
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| 23:11.21 | foxlit | (b) Generally speaking, consider the geometry of everything to do with A -- box sizes, positions -- to be known. The only unknown for B is its radius. |
| 23:11.59 | foxlit | It's the angles that are preserved by scaling, unfortunately. |
| 23:12.36 | pnorman | well, that sin(pi/n) = (sqrt(2)*a+sqrt(2)*b)/2 /r formula will definately work for intersection with the shared circle |
| 23:14.34 | foxlit | Mm, I should be trying to model that. |
| 23:15.59 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, you wouldnt look good in it |
| 23:17.10 | foxlit | Thank you for the discussion, pnorman :) |
| 23:17.26 | foxlit | I'll see what I can do about actually putting that into practice... tomorrow. |
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| 23:25.25 | JoGoiA | has someone an idea about my PlayerModel problem ? |
| 23:25.33 | AbsolutRayne_ | WOWWWWWWWWWW |
| 23:25.41 | AbsolutRayne_ | Eastern Kingdoms just crashed on my server |
| 23:25.52 | pnorman | foxlit, looks like spacing by arc length and angle is pretty close, see (58) on http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Ellipse.html |
| 23:26.10 | AbsolutRayne_ | I havent seen it crash in quite possibly a year. |
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| 23:36.52 | Trela | 155gbs to go~ |
| 23:37.04 | Trela | 255gbs I mean. |
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| 23:39.40 | airtonix | gbs? |
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| 23:39.51 | airtonix | Gorillas Per Second? |
| 23:40.14 | airtonix | Green Bag Syndrome? |
| 23:40.19 | tekkub | no, it's giblets/sec |
| 23:40.27 | DWSR | gigabits |
| 23:40.50 | airtonix | and wowmatrix measures install/download rate in gigabits? |
| 23:40.54 | tekkub | gibigiblets |
| 23:40.54 | airtonix | lulz |
| 23:45.42 | Dashkal | Some days I really love Eyonix: "Amazing. You have nothing to do now that people that aren't you have cleared Ulduar." |
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| 23:48.33 | alestane | Anyone know what fried the forums? |
| 23:49.29 | Dashkal | It was temp, they're working for me again |
| 23:49.36 | Thunder_Child | people |
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