| 00:00.09 | Legorol | All they have done is an administrative/legal maneuver that moves their EU operations jurisdiction to EU |
| 00:00.09 | Etanol | azjol-nerub hq? |
| 00:00.46 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: it's a technicality, EU operations were already based off of their Paris office, they just changed legal ownership over those operations, as far as I understand |
| 00:00.57 | Legorol | they have switched to the same model as they have in Asia |
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| 00:01.58 | Etanol | they said they did it because EU has more pewpew |
| 00:02.14 | Legorol | EU players until now were contracted with a US entity, going forward they are now contracted with an EU entity |
| 00:02.20 | Legorol | that's about as practical the impact as it gets |
| 00:02.42 | Etanol | does that mean wow will be CE marked? ;) |
| 00:03.08 | Legorol | why would a video game need a CE mark |
| 00:03.17 | Etanol | it's dangerous |
| 00:03.38 | Etanol | a swedish kid passed out while playing wow!!!! (nevermind he forgot to eat and drink, it's, wow's fault!) |
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| 00:03.44 | Legorol | it's been PEGI rated in the EU from the get go |
| 00:04.25 | Etanol | I can understand why EU and US players are separated on different servers |
| 00:04.35 | Etanol | but why are EU and US forums separate? |
| 00:04.40 | DWSR | Anyone, does += exist in Java? |
| 00:04.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 00:04.50 | Etanol | my oppinion: merge it all and only make the realm forums eu/us specifik |
| 00:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | i += 1; |
| 00:05.04 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: I know that ++ exists, but does +=? |
| 00:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 20:04 < ScytheBlade1> yes |
| 00:05.16 | DWSR | i.e. the shortcut to i = i + j |
| 00:05.19 | DWSR | mkay. |
| 00:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Etanol: both the EU and the US forums are subdvided more than that. EU into many languages, US into enUS and esMX. Joining them all would be poor :) |
| 00:06.54 | Etanol | it's reaily done!!! |
| 00:07.10 | theorbtwo | I find the EU/US thing really annoying, but mostly because I accidentally bought the wrong one. |
| 00:07.14 | Etanol | easily |
| 00:07.16 | Etanol | ** |
| 00:07.17 | theorbtwo | ...because I started a trial account on the wrong one. |
| 00:07.39 | theorbtwo | The fact that many of the relm names are the same is just plain silly. |
| 00:08.12 | Etanol | forums = array(usforums, euforums) |
| 00:08.14 | Etanol | gogo |
| 00:08.16 | DWSR | btw, ##java fails. |
| 00:08.24 | Etanol | java is a bitch |
| 00:08.27 | Etanol | who needs oop |
| 00:08.48 | DWSR | Etanol: OOP is the shit. Java just fails. |
| 00:08.56 | Etanol | oh yeah? |
| 00:08.57 | DWSR | as both an OO lang and everything else. |
| 00:09.05 | Etanol | what have you used oop for except for clean code? |
| 00:09.20 | DWSR | Etanol: Event based programming. |
| 00:09.47 | Etanol | like? |
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| 00:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Possibly old already, but just one of those "wow, wtf" things to read: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/09/Lawmaker-defends-Asian-name-comment/UPI-78811239308901/ |
| 00:10.54 | DWSR | Etanol: Web servers. |
| 00:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:12.04 | Lunessa | SBO - As someone living in Texas, that rep is an idiot. |
| 00:12.09 | Etanol | php web programming or C based web server programming |
| 00:12.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: I can tell |
| 00:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | also, unrelated: http://thisisindexed.com/2009/04/deadlines/ |
| 00:12.40 | Lunessa | Tx has a HUGE asian population. |
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| 00:17.33 | Etanol | when I read or hear texas, I automatically think about cowboys and revolvers |
| 00:17.41 | kd3 | ! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137620868&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 00:20.01 | kd3 | "Since that time we have been in touch with many UI development communities on what the policy means to them and the continuing development of these add-ons" |
| 00:20.05 | kd3 | funny, I haven't seen anything |
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| 00:20.59 | Cairenn | I'd love to know who they've been talking to, as well |
| 00:21.41 | Cairenn | s/who they've been talking to/who they've been *officially* talking to? |
| 00:21.53 | Cairenn | grrr, mistype |
| 00:22.21 | Corrodias | that's pretty suspicious |
| 00:22.36 | Etanol | maybe they've been in touch with people from wowmatrix |
| 00:22.40 | DWSR | rofl |
| 00:22.43 | Corrodias | is blizzard taking a turn for the worse in communication efforts? |
| 00:22.46 | mikma | evil etanol |
| 00:22.47 | DWSR | Anyone want a cpan style interface updater? |
| 00:23.19 | Etanol | cpan? |
| 00:23.22 | Etanol | ~cpan |
| 00:23.23 | purl | i heard cpan is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network; the store of all Perl modules, or 'The World', or reasonably evil, or 'Reasonably Evil', or "perl -MCPAN -e shell" |
| 00:23.24 | kd3 | ooh |
| 00:23.47 | Lunessa | Etanol: I know, it's the curse of Texas. I bet you also think of Oil and Cattle. |
| 00:24.02 | Etanol | and dialect |
| 00:24.59 | Etanol | maybe because I have read >95% of all Lucky Luke magazines |
| 00:25.04 | zenzelezz | I always wonder if Texas was just a misspelled Taxes |
| 00:25.15 | Etanol | You think taxes are high in US? |
| 00:25.24 | zenzelezz | I have no idea |
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| 00:25.46 | zenzelezz | but you heathens all seem to be forgetting the essence of Texas |
| 00:25.51 | zenzelezz | Walker |
| 00:25.58 | Shirik | Texas is the root of all evil |
| 00:26.14 | Etanol | sweden: all the normal traxes plus 30% of your salary and 25% or 9% on everything you buy |
| 00:26.42 | zenzelezz | taxes mean nothing unless you compare with general living costs and conditions, social services, etc. etc. |
| 00:27.16 | Etanol | texas = sqrt(evil) |
| 00:27.25 | Etanol | or.. |
| 00:27.32 | Etanol | texas = math.sqrt(evil) |
| 00:28.35 | Etanol | lua> evil = 666; texas = math.sqrt(evil); print(texas) |
| 00:28.35 | lua_bot | Etanol: 25.806975801128 |
| 00:28.44 | Etanol | texas is ~26 |
| 00:29.58 | DWSR | Etanol: Ever been to Denmark or Sweden? |
| 00:30.16 | DWSR | btw, anyone know if System.out.print in Java supports stuff like \n, \t, etc. |
| 00:30.53 | Etanol | DWSR: both, but I live in sweden |
| 00:31.05 | kd3 | dwsr; yes |
| 00:31.18 | kd3 | all the regular escape strings work fine in s.o.print/println |
| 00:31.20 | DWSR | kd3: Is there any way that I can assign the width of tabstops? |
| 00:31.27 | kd3 | dunno |
| 00:33.02 | kd3 | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/io/PrintStream.html#print() |
| 00:33.56 | Shirik | Better yet, don't use tabs to do that |
| 00:34.02 | Shirik | and use String.format instead |
| 00:35.35 | Etanol | http://labix.org/lunatic-python |
| 00:35.42 | Etanol | would that in any way work inside wow? |
| 00:35.58 | ScytheBlade1 | possibly |
| 00:36.11 | Etanol | heeheeehee |
| 00:36.24 | ScytheBlade1 | keep in mind that wow lua can't read/write files |
| 00:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | > =python.eval("string") |
| 00:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | <module 'string' from '/usr/lib/python2.3/string.pyc'> |
| 00:36.34 | ScytheBlade1 | leads me to believe that it may have to |
| 00:37.25 | Etanol | what |
| 00:38.23 | Etanol | if I save the linatic python file inside a lua file, and then evaluate it |
| 00:38.28 | Etanol | maybe make a library |
| 00:38.32 | Etanol | PythonLib |
| 00:39.04 | Etanol | local pcode = new LibStub("PythonLib") or however the syntax is |
| 00:39.07 | Etanol | and then |
| 00:39.27 | Etanol | pcode.run(" loads of nice code ") |
| 00:40.13 | Etanol | and the python import is hacked |
| 00:40.22 | vex1122 | Random question. Are WoW players iPhone owners? |
| 00:40.23 | Etanol | so all the good imports are inside the PythonLib lua file |
| 00:40.44 | Etanol | or you could make PythonLib libs |
| 00:41.24 | Etanol | PythonLib:Re/import.lua |
| 00:41.30 | Etanol | regex in wow! |
| 00:41.30 | Shirik | Blackberry Storm owner |
| 00:44.10 | Etanol | hm |
| 00:44.11 | Etanol | damn |
| 00:44.24 | Etanol | it uses some weird loadlib commands and so on :/ |
| 00:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | it'd have to be a pure lua implimentation to work in wow |
| 00:45.14 | ScytheBlade1 | and even then a pure wow lua implimentation |
| 00:45.14 | Etanol | hm |
| 00:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is NOT stock lua |
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| 00:47.04 | Etanol | would it be possible to make a regex lib at least? ^^ |
| 00:47.20 | Etanol | lua + posix regex would be awesome |
| 00:48.31 | Tuller | patternspatternspatterns |
| 00:49.11 | Etanol | patterns make no sense at all |
| 00:54.33 | Etanol | Idea: ingame irc program. It stores written messages in savedvars on logout. From there another programs logs into IRC and does all things written, and then hands around for as long as the user did, then writes all response into savedvars for viewing next startum |
| 00:54.41 | Etanol | that would remove alot of tabbing! |
| 00:54.53 | Etanol | hangs around* |
| 00:55.01 | Etanol | startup* |
| 00:55.22 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone know precisely what aunctioneer module populates the percent column in the auction window? |
| 00:56.07 | Dewin | Etanol: I don't think that'd work that well, considering IRC is meant to be near-real-time and you could only send/receive messages in between updates. |
| 00:56.27 | Shefki | NightHawkTheSane: Precent of the median prices seen I believe. |
| 00:57.21 | Etanol | Dewin: sssh :P |
| 00:57.49 | Etanol | hmm |
| 00:57.59 | Etanol | is there an event for getting/spending/losing gold? |
| 00:59.25 | Lunessa | Etanol: the "irc" app wouldn't save alt+tabbing - it would just turn it into ui reloads or game-client exits/restarts which would mean, literally, no gain. |
| 00:59.39 | Xinhuan | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/16137620868-addon-development-policy-update.html |
| 00:59.46 | Xinhuan | oh boy, has anyone seen that |
| 01:00.18 | Etanol | haha |
| 01:00.29 | Etanol | whyyy sooo serious? |
| 01:00.52 | Cairenn | yes |
| 01:00.55 | Cairenn | we have |
| 01:01.27 | Dewin | Etanol: PLAYER_MONEY http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Player |
| 01:01.58 | theorbtwo | I find http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=49149.0 far ore interesting. |
| 01:02.06 | Etanol | hm |
| 01:02.13 | Tuller | well I lost my bet of "blizzard won't enforce the policy" |
| 01:03.05 | theorbtwo | Tuller: Er, really? They haven't enforced it yet, just *said* that they will at some point. |
| 01:03.13 | Etanol | would it be totally redicioulus to save the amount lost/gained into savedvars every time player_money fired? |
| 01:03.57 | Tuller | I consider, "we will contact people directly who are in violation after 60 days" as potential enforcement :P |
| 01:04.05 | theorbtwo | Etanol: I don't think so. |
| 01:04.21 | theorbtwo | Tuller: I think there's a big difference between potential and actual enforcement. |
| 01:04.41 | Tuller | well, I don't :P |
| 01:04.47 | Lunessa | Tuller: Do you have to shave your head or wear a dress to school or something now? |
| 01:05.03 | Tuller | nope :P |
| 01:05.11 | Etanol | considering a eventminer addon that saves alot into a savedvars file.. then I can upload and clear it regularly and create some nifty statistics |
| 01:05.16 | Lunessa | Ah man, what kind of bet was that then? |
| 01:05.26 | Etanol | s/ a / an / |
| 01:08.08 | Etanol | <Lunessa> Awesome idea man!!! |
| 01:08.14 | Etanol | <Tuller> Superb! |
| 01:08.28 | Etanol | <theorbtwo> You rock, Etanol! |
| 01:08.46 | Torhal | ... |
| 01:09.53 | theorbtwo | Etanol: On the other hand, you could write an addon to create the funky stats and skip the middleman. |
| 01:10.35 | Etanol | yeah |
| 01:10.51 | Etanol | but I have no idea how to use graphlib since it has no documentation at all |
| 01:12.47 | Dewin | Etanol: Depending on what sort of events you're interested, you can just use /combatlog and not need an addon at all |
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| 01:13.06 | Etanol | to create graphs? |
| 01:13.12 | Dewin | No, to mine the events. |
| 01:13.25 | Dewin | if you're doing the statistics out-of-game anyways. |
| 01:14.15 | Etanol | im thinking I save the amount of gold I have every time the player_money is called, and doing much the same thing for achievement points and so on |
| 01:15.14 | Etanol | or I just learn to use frames and graphlib and skip the external part :P |
| 01:17.20 | Etanol | which might be hard since , again, graphlib has no documentation |
| 01:17.54 | Etanol | maybe i'll have to join some secret lib sect to learn it :P |
| 01:18.10 | Etanol | wow programming feels like one large sect |
| 01:18.15 | Etanol | really cryptic and secret |
| 01:18.45 | Etanol | and the userbase has really complex power structures that you have to learn |
| 01:18.49 | Etanol | goodnight |
| 01:18.54 | theorbtwo | Etanol: Frankly, an awful lot of libraries seem to have no or little docs. |
| 01:19.07 | theorbtwo | Across various languages and focii. |
| 01:20.54 | mikma | Patch this week? :) |
| 01:22.06 | theorbtwo | mikma: Various people have said it's likely, and the more you look at it, the more likely it seems. |
| 01:22.46 | mikma | hmm. yeah |
| 01:23.01 | theorbtwo | They moved noblegarden so it won't conflict, and there's a fairly narrow window before they'd have to move it again. mmo-champion.com seems to be saying that they have somebody leaking it. |
| 01:23.08 | theorbtwo | is very much looking forward to it. |
| 01:23.32 | mikma | i'm not :( |
| 01:23.41 | theorbtwo | I decided to drop my quiver because I wouldn't be needing it when 3.1 came out. Turns out that wasn't as eminent as I thought. |
| 01:24.03 | Ycarene | Meh, the new WMV likes to crash in wine. |
| 01:24.24 | theorbtwo | I haven't been playing long enough to want things to stay the way that I know them. |
| 01:24.48 | Ycarene | Maybe I should work on making my own version of it. |
| 01:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | what's the latest ptr build? |
| 01:25.34 | Adys | http://blag.xkcd.com/2009/04/13/the-pursuit-of-laziness/ |
| 01:25.38 | Adys | Im buying a kindle |
| 01:25.39 | Adys | now |
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| 01:25.41 | Ycarene | There's some features that I'd love to see, like camera control, animation sequencing, etc... |
| 01:26.02 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: 9767 |
| 01:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: thanks, although just after i said that, i realized i could check wowcompares :) |
| 01:26.39 | Ycarene | I don't think I'd like a kindle. |
| 01:27.27 | Ycarene | I like to take my books to work to read, and I'm not sure I want to trust my flimsy combination lock on my locker with one. |
| 01:27.44 | Adys | Ycarene: as for wmv, i was thinking of porting it to python at some point |
| 01:28.13 | Ycarene | Using what graphical toolset? |
| 01:28.32 | Adys | pyopengl? theres no other really |
| 01:28.48 | Ycarene | Well, yeah, I mean the stuff around the rendering window... |
| 01:28.53 | Adys | oh |
| 01:28.53 | Adys | qt |
| 01:28.57 | Ycarene | Ugh |
| 01:29.28 | Adys | gui toolkits can get ported |
| 01:29.51 | Ycarene | Hey, if you do it in QT, I'll run it, I'm just noting that it'll probably take three days to compile. |
| 01:30.20 | Adys | wut theres nothing to compile its python |
| 01:30.29 | Adys | and bytecompiling it takes 3 secs |
| 01:30.31 | Ycarene | oh, right. |
| 01:30.32 | haleys | Does anyonw know many xml requests can be made from the armory per minute before being banned? OR any xml request restrictions? |
| 01:30.54 | Adys | haleys: last i know, about 3 per second |
| 01:30.56 | Ycarene | That way you don't need to worry about what platform its being run on, as long as they have the libraries installed. |
| 01:31.15 | Adys | thats the beauty of python yea |
| 01:31.23 | haleys | gotchya, thanks Days |
| 01:31.26 | haleys | Adys* |
| 01:31.45 | Ycarene | I wrote a frontend for yukon, it required wxWindows to run, turns out that wasn't a good idea. |
| 01:33.06 | haleys | I've read 1.5/sec, 45/minute, but adys, have you had a chance to test the 3 per second? |
| 01:33.21 | Wobin | what's the command to show fps? |
| 01:33.26 | Adys | no, i havent done any armory dump since early 3.0 release |
| 01:33.47 | haleys | bliz should just make a seperate server(s) for developers imo |
| 01:33.48 | Adys | anyone lives in the UK here? |
| 01:33.54 | haleys | so it doesn't affect their armory usage |
| 01:37.28 | kd3 | heh... "we wanted to inform players that while you can queue from any location, it's not possible to queue while dead." |
| 01:37.34 | theorbtwo | Adys: I do. |
| 01:37.34 | kd3 | surprised that needed a post |
| 01:37.41 | Adys | theorbtwo: http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/D/derrenbrown/lying/silent.html |
| 01:37.44 | Adys | is this a 404? |
| 01:38.12 | theorbtwo | Adys: Yes. |
| 01:38.17 | Adys | ok thanks |
| 01:42.43 | Kraps | blizz doesnt release patches in the middle of the month |
| 01:42.44 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.23 | Kraps | thats what a guildy told me |
| 01:43.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Fellow guild members are commonly pants on head retarded. |
| 01:44.05 | ScytheBlade1 | </discussion> |
| 01:44.14 | Kraps | eh |
| 01:44.27 | Hjalte | ScytheBlade1: Patch 3.0.8 was released on January 20, 2009. |
| 01:44.36 | Hjalte | According to wowwiki |
| 01:44.51 | Hjalte | So tommorow should be fine |
| 01:45.09 | Kraps | 14 is middler than 20 |
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| 01:45.13 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.56 | Hjalte | 20 is middler than 21. |
| 01:46.17 | Kraps | true <thinks deeply> |
| 01:46.59 | Kraps | anyway, off to watch The Curious Case of Benjamin Button |
| 01:47.14 | Aznamir | is PTR down yet? |
| 01:49.16 | kd3 | no. that's not any indication. patches have gone live with the ptr still up |
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| 01:51.27 | Dagmar | It would be bad practice to stop testing before the test codebase is live |
| 01:59.24 | Shefki | They have in the past. |
| 01:59.33 | Shefki | And they never ship the patch to the PTR that they actually ship to live. |
| 01:59.46 | Shefki | So once they know they're going to deploy there's no point in getting reports for crap they've already fixed. |
| 01:59.56 | kd3 | sweet, all kinds of arena achievements I just earned on the ptr even though I've never stepped foot into it |
| 02:00.43 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, amusing: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/16137231498-question-for-gc-concerning-aoe.html |
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| 02:04.15 | mikma | bleh |
| 02:04.43 | mikma | trying to do a new DK unholy talent-tree with the ptr talent calculator |
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| 02:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/746080/undo-svn-delete-force |
| 02:14.31 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/dk-3.1.0.txt |
| 02:14.32 | mikma | xD |
| 02:16.53 | Legorol | mikma: what on earth is that |
| 02:16.59 | Legorol | oh, talent tree |
| 02:17.12 | Legorol | 2H unholy dps? |
| 02:17.31 | Legorol | no unholy aura? |
| 02:17.50 | Legorol | is scared of himself: being able to read a talent tree by just knowing the points spent |
| 02:18.16 | MentalPower | ~wowlaert |
| 02:18.20 | MentalPower | ~wowalert |
| 02:18.20 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 02:18.50 | mikma | legorol: no unholy aura. |
| 02:22.45 | mikma | legorol: i rather picked other "cool" points ^^ |
| 02:23.43 | Kraps | would people take you as dps if you were disc? this is before 80 |
| 02:23.44 | Legorol | i like what they did to the unholy |
| 02:23.51 | Legorol | pity that shadow of death is gone |
| 02:24.00 | mikma | I PITY THE FOOL |
| 02:24.03 | Legorol | i'm not quite sure yet how i feel about other specs having access to UB |
| 02:24.04 | mikma | no, not really |
| 02:24.15 | Legorol | i felt that UB should be a deep unholy ability, but mostly for RP reasons |
| 02:24.25 | Legorol | i can see how it makes sense to have it higher up |
| 02:24.32 | Kraps | mikma: you talkin to me? |
| 02:24.55 | mikma | kraps: fool! |
| 02:25.10 | Kraps | AHHHHHHH |
| 02:26.26 | mikma | kraps: was it good for you too? |
| 02:26.58 | Kraps | no not really. sorry |
| 02:27.03 | Kraps | :p |
| 02:27.07 | mikma | :((( |
| 02:28.41 | Legorol | oh i totally forgot that 3.1 is bringing queue-to-BG-anywhere |
| 02:29.18 | Legorol | i wonder if it's abusable: queue to BG, go into a fight that you think will be a tough one, and accept if you are in trouble :o) |
| 02:29.41 | Legorol | hm, for that matter, i guess you could already do that |
| 02:29.48 | Legorol | can you enter a BG if you are in mid-combat? |
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| 02:30.43 | mikma | legorol: queue, sure. match, no. |
| 02:35.19 | Aqua | anyoneheard anything stupid about the possibilty of 3.1 actually going live tommorrow |
| 02:35.22 | Aqua | the PTR is still up |
| 02:36.13 | mikma | all signs say yes |
| 02:37.28 | tekkub | my sigh says "fu8ck no" |
| 02:37.33 | tekkub | *sign |
| 02:37.38 | tekkub | s/8// |
| 02:37.46 | tekkub | my sign can't type |
| 02:37.56 | Iriel | tekkub: your sign always says some variant of that, though I thinkyou change out the last word occasionally |
| 02:37.58 | NightHawkTheSane | my sign says "fuckyou" |
| 02:37.59 | Aqua | idk, i got a 1000g riding on it that says it won't go live |
| 02:38.40 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.58 | tekkub | I already won my 1kg a month ago |
| 02:39.03 | tekkub | but he never paid up |
| 02:39.08 | *** join/#wowuidev d87 (n=x@host89-251-107-29.hnet.ru) |
| 02:39.16 | mikma | ~8ball dows this work like so? |
| 02:39.17 | purl | Unsure. |
| 02:39.27 | mikma | ~8ball |
| 02:39.28 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Most likely |
| 02:39.51 | mikma | ~8ball tpyofliled tset |
| 02:39.51 | purl | No. |
| 02:39.57 | tekkub | ~9ball |
| 02:40.17 | mikma | is that 8ball with tektwist? |
| 02:40.29 | Legorol | anyone know a good site for Ulduar tactics? |
| 02:40.36 | Aqua | bosskillers |
| 02:40.47 | mikma | tekkub: oh, i did read the commit message of bimbo! screw you |
| 02:40.47 | Legorol | bosskillers tactics are a pile of crap usually :( |
| 02:40.53 | Legorol | I hate it, but my guild requires us to read up tacts on Ulduar :( |
| 02:41.02 | Legorol | it's not even released, damn it, and we are already supposed to read it |
| 02:41.04 | tekkub | you know where the hole is |
| 02:41.25 | tekkub | Legorol: lie |
| 02:41.25 | mikma | mmm, holes |
| 02:45.28 | Aznamir | anyone know a good text editor for windows that does not ruin UTF-8 encoding? |
| 02:45.51 | Aznamir | I've got a bunch of locale files to edit, but notepad screws them up |
| 02:46.05 | kd3 | wordpad? |
| 02:46.06 | kd3 | notepad++? |
| 02:46.37 | Dewin | Notepad++ is nice and can do Lua syntax highlighting and (with npp_exec) run stuff through luac to check for errors too. |
| 02:47.35 | PProvost | Do we have any confirmation that tomorrow is the day yet? |
| 02:48.19 | Aqua | no, everyone is talking like its going live, but i'm pretty sure i heard the 21 (because of arean and some holiday event) |
| 02:48.34 | mikma | i went with Notepad++ |
| 02:48.38 | kd3 | 2 week warning for arena season 5 comes tomorrow |
| 02:48.41 | mikma | its really good |
| 02:49.00 | kd3 | they pushed noblegarden back to like the 25th just in case they needed another week for the patch |
| 02:49.44 | daev | They just released an official page on ulduar with a video and stuff |
| 02:50.01 | Shadowed | not to mention the patch is on the servers and extended downtime on most realms |
| 02:52.23 | Aznamir | cool, notepadd++ looks nice |
| 02:53.13 | Arrowmaster | Aznamir: notepad works fine if you use it properly |
| 02:53.44 | Arrowmaster | open notepad, then file->open, select file and select encoding dropdown |
| 02:53.46 | Dagmar | So where'd it's syntax highlighting hide? |
| 02:54.03 | Arrowmaster | 10:45:28p (Aznamir) anyone know a good text editor for windows that does not ruin UTF-8 encoding? |
| 02:54.04 | Arrowmaster | 10:45:51p (Aznamir) I've got a bunch of locale files to edit, but notepad screws them up |
| 02:54.23 | Arrowmaster | saying that notepad wont fuck up utf-8 if you use it properly |
| 02:56.36 | Legorol | I need some advice for 10-man 3D: how many tanks, healers and dps is best to use, assuming a raid in full (or mostly full) i213 items? |
| 02:56.43 | tekkub | 42 |
| 02:56.50 | Aznamir | um.. tried notepad with manual encoding selection... horror |
| 02:56.58 | Legorol | tekkub: that's a bit too much, even for MC :o) |
| 02:57.03 | Arrowmaster | then you didnt do it right |
| 02:57.07 | tekkub | no, 4 and 2 |
| 02:57.41 | PProvost | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=49149.0 |
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| 02:59.24 | Syzgyn | [Plagued Proto-Drake] just in time! |
| 03:00.06 | Zyndrome | heh |
| 03:00.29 | Zyndrome | seems like lots of people stress for those achievements now |
| 03:01.36 | batrick | Now that pve isn't any measure of prowess people look to rediculously pointless but hard achievements |
| 03:04.16 | mikma | Just like back in the days when rogues ganked lowlevels in pvp server for the honor |
| 03:06.24 | Trela | If a raider came up to me with 5,000 achievement points I would highly consider them dedicated to what they do. |
| 03:06.49 | Arrowmaster | you know i still cant believe all this bullshit about piracy on the news, nobody has even hinted that they know why it all started |
| 03:06.55 | NightHawkTheSane | only 5000? |
| 03:07.06 | Dagmar | It started because no one's over there shooting pirates. |
| 03:07.14 | tekkub | I'd think they were OCD and would just leave my guild in a week |
| 03:07.22 | Arrowmaster | Trela: i have 5000 and i dont even play wow |
| 03:07.29 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: fuck you |
| 03:07.36 | Trela | As a minimum. :D |
| 03:08.18 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Seriously. The presences of sea piracy is inversely proportional to the number of forces shooting pirates. |
| 03:08.27 | Dagmar | s/presences/prevalence/; |
| 03:08.38 | kd3 | though... more pirates are good. they'll stop the global warming |
| 03:08.39 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:08.44 | Arrowmaster | seriously goto hell |
| 03:08.50 | Adys | Trela: I got around 6k, and I havent even been playing for over a month, dont have half the raiding achievements and nothing much in pvp either |
| 03:08.57 | mikma | yaarrrrrrrrrr |
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| 03:09.13 | Trela | Damn you people and your achievement points. |
| 03:09.16 | Trela | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Feathermoon&n=Trela |
| 03:09.20 | Trela | 2625 |
| 03:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | if i tried i'd have >6k, i'm just really lazy and dont want to do the loremaster & rep achievements :\ |
| 03:09.26 | Arrowmaster | i have 5010 and i quit wow like 4 months ago |
| 03:09.35 | Adys | nethertheless people who recruit over achievements can suck my ass |
| 03:09.57 | Adys | "omg awesome i can measure your skill" |
| 03:10.07 | Adys | wonder when theyll come up with a sociometer |
| 03:10.08 | Trela | I still need to run through all the Burning Crusade crap again. "Retroactive achievements!" BAH! |
| 03:10.33 | Trela | Adys, that would be an E-Meter possibly. :P |
| 03:10.47 | Arrowmaster | im missing 4 dungeon achievements from BC |
| 03:13.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko1 (n=Testing@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:13.46 | Dagmar | Trela: That's a sign you don't spend a lot of time goofing off logged in |
| 03:14.01 | Dagmar | <-- 3150, goofs off constantly |
| 03:14.03 | Trela | ...BWAHAHAHAHA. XD |
| 03:14.16 | Trela | I spend a lot of time goofing off while coding. :P |
| 03:14.42 | Trela | I think I have some where insane of 1,000 days played. >.>; |
| 03:16.17 | Thunder_Child | i spend so much time goofing off while coding, i dont code |
| 03:17.53 | daev | damn 1000 days played |
| 03:18.01 | daev | Good thing I play a DK to make myself feel better |
| 03:18.09 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.html |
| 03:18.25 | Arrowmaster | took a while to pull up a link not talking about the recent event |
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| 03:19.45 | Dagmar | Ah yes, and piracy is the right way to handle something that should be brought before the UN |
| 03:19.56 | Dagmar | Two wrongs don't make a right. |
| 03:20.16 | Arrowmaster | somalia doesnt have a proper government to bring it up to the UN |
| 03:20.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Arrowmaster++ |
| 03:20.47 | Arrowmaster | what little government it has is corrupt and taking bribes |
| 03:21.01 | Dagmar | So perhaps it's time for right-thinking people to do away with that |
| 03:21.22 | Dagmar | ...instead of grabbing at innocent people and trying to rob them, and blaming it all on someone else like some idiot kid. |
| 03:21.24 | tekkub | what's wrong with bribes? |
| 03:21.32 | tekkub | how else do you fund the military? |
| 03:21.34 | *** join/#wowuidev neb- (n=neb@24-179-247-102.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 03:21.40 | tekkub | taxes? right like that'll work |
| 03:23.28 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide-3.1-r1.pdf |
| 03:23.32 | Iriel | For anyone who cares |
| 03:24.24 | NightHawkTheSane | updates his bookmark |
| 03:24.27 | *** part/#wowuidev neb- (n=neb@24-179-247-102.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 03:24.32 | Tewan | Anyone know if WoWInterface is going to do a 3.1 survival guide? |
| 03:24.38 | Thunder_Child | http://www.tshirthell.com//shirts/products/a1234/a1234_new.gif |
| 03:24.43 | Tewan | Or will it be necessary? |
| 03:24.47 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn would Tewan |
| 03:24.53 | Arrowmaster | also a lot of those pirates are former fishermen that dont have anything to fish anymore due to commercial fishing in their teritorial waters after the governmental colapse and the illegal dumping killing whatever else was left |
| 03:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Tewan: i've heard its already up? |
| 03:25.04 | Cairenn | Tewan: it's already posted |
| 03:25.21 | Dagmar | plays a tiny violin |
| 03:25.24 | Tewan | ah, wasn't on the front page |
| 03:25.29 | Tewan | Found it :D |
| 03:25.29 | Cairenn | yes it is |
| 03:26.59 | Tewan | Cairenn: I mean, the very front... http://tewan.info/frontpagepage.jpg |
| 03:27.00 | Tewan | :P |
| 03:27.20 | Cairenn | heh, sorry, to me the community tab is the front page |
| 03:27.35 | Tewan | :P |
| 03:28.14 | Cairenn | it'll be up on the find page tomorrow, as well as being in a news post |
| 03:28.19 | Cairenn | once the patch goes live |
| 03:28.22 | Cairenn | per usual :) |
| 03:30.18 | Trela | I am looking forward to see the difference between pre-WoWMatrix and post-WoWMatrix fix. :D |
| 03:31.06 | Shadowed | instead of going down after an hour, it'll go down after 3! |
| 03:31.47 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: we have a winrar |
| 03:31.52 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 03:32.00 | Trela | is drooling ahead of time for Saturday. |
| 03:32.05 | Thunder_Child | so has anyone emailed wowmatrix and asked how they are going deal with the new change? |
| 03:32.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:32.24 | Trela | ATI 4870 1gb, 2tbs hard drive space, and 8gbs RAM. |
| 03:32.27 | Cairenn | well, apparently on their program they are saying that our sites are down |
| 03:32.33 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 03:32.37 | Thunder_Child | they are |
| 03:32.39 | Thunder_Child | for them |
| 03:32.51 | NightHawkTheSane | I did notice a difference on wowace.com's site, their download links were flash. :P |
| 03:33.08 | Trela | coughs. |
| 03:33.11 | Trela | I have to see that. |
| 03:33.33 | Trela | Ha! |
| 03:33.35 | Trela | Nice. |
| 03:33.39 | Dark_Elf | yeah the captcha is alot of typing hehe |
| 03:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | only reason i even noticed it is because i have a flashblock plugin installed. |
| 03:34.34 | Trela | The font difference is obvious on Mac. |
| 03:34.53 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're looking for it, yeah |
| 03:35.06 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're just zipping through a half dozen pages downloading your mods, you might not notice it. |
| 03:35.19 | Trela | I had not checked. |
| 03:35.28 | Thunder_Child | "Meat compass won't point south - Help your nether rod to become her horror and her heaven at the same time" sometimes spam brings a smile. |
| 03:35.41 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 03:36.10 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 03:36.19 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: the "contest" box thingy on download pages goes over the "you don't have flash enabled" text, making it unreadable ;> |
| 03:36.59 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: wowmatrix is claiming that both wowi and curse are 'down'? |
| 03:37.18 | Gnarfoz | besides that, the "solution" seems to be transparent, which makes me curious, since wowi seems to not have changed at all oO |
| 03:37.25 | Shadowed | WoWI uses magic |
| 03:37.29 | Shadowed | and the tears of users |
| 03:37.33 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: yup |
| 03:38.00 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: I'll let them know |
| 03:38.03 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: well, that they (Curse and WoWI) are experiencing web difficulties (or something like that) |
| 03:38.09 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: imho post that in the thread on the ui forums, show people how much skum they really are |
| 03:38.17 | Cairenn | Kaelten: what was it you said it was ready? |
| 03:38.18 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: magic/more magic, right? :p |
| 03:38.26 | Shadowed | more tears than magic |
| 03:38.30 | Shadowed | the magic is just to bind the tears together |
| 03:38.31 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 03:38.37 | Cairenn | errr, god I can't type today |
| 03:38.39 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: naw, jargon file stuff ;) |
| 03:38.49 | Gnarfoz | http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html |
| 03:38.56 | Cairenn | what was it you told me that the WM program was showing about our sites? |
| 03:39.11 | Cairenn | Kaelten: ^^ |
| 03:39.38 | Shadowed | haha Gnarfoz |
| 03:39.42 | Kaelten | that we were having difficulties or down or something |
| 03:39.47 | Kaelten | basically blaming us |
| 03:39.53 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:39.54 | Kaelten | end result it'll take a bit before their users figure it out |
| 03:39.57 | kd3 | has a switch labeled "magic" and "more magic" |
| 03:40.01 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:40.17 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 03:40.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, i have a switch in my apartment that i have -no fucking clue- what it does, i ought to label it that |
| 03:40.43 | kd3 | whooee, it's patch day~ |
| 03:40.55 | Thunder_Child | lies kd3 |
| 03:40.59 | kd3 | and I'm going to be spending most of it at work. yay |
| 03:41.14 | Gnarfoz | kd3: isn't that the best place to spend it? |
| 03:41.27 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: post that info in the ui forums thread, then brib zoot to quote and comment on it so it shows up in the blue trackers and gets more public attention |
| 03:41.36 | Gnarfoz | kd3: far away from droves of hapless users, screaming and crying :P |
| 03:41.37 | kd3 | that'd sure be an interesting excuse to call out for. 'hey, can I call out so I can play the newest version of this MMORPG I'm addicted to?" |
| 03:41.42 | Cairenn | blizz is staying out of it, publicly |
| 03:41.46 | Dark_Elf | dang they are sure overhauling professions in 3.1 |
| 03:41.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 03:41.51 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:41.52 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i'll be at work too. although, i work from home. ;) |
| 03:42.01 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: lucky bastard :< |
| 03:43.41 | Gnarfoz | not sure how interested in this he might be, but would you think it might be useful to get something about what you did on mmo-champion, being probably the biggest "news source" wow players frequent? |
| 03:44.19 | Kaelten | also curious if wowinsider ever did anything |
| 03:44.36 | Arrowmaster | people read wowinsider? |
| 03:44.48 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, yes |
| 03:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | piles of people do |
| 03:45.35 | Bibi | Gnarfoz: MMO-Champ guy said no. |
| 03:45.37 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: tabloids have the highest number of readers, what does that tell you ;> |
| 03:45.53 | Gnarfoz | Bibi: did you try his sinister twin? :P |
| 03:45.55 | Bibi | I'm not pushing down a patch news for anything |
| 03:46.50 | Trela | stares at the download flash file. Freaks out. |
| 03:47.08 | Gnarfoz | well, yeah, guess it's too off-topic to include a link to their statement in one and not interesting enough to push down a patch news ^^ |
| 03:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | "Sorry, the following AddOn could not be installed at this time: QuestHelper The official website for the above AddOn appears to be currently down. Please try again later." |
| 03:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That is awesome to see |
| 03:48.14 | Kaelten | I'm still amazed at how much traffic was actuallky due to them |
| 03:48.14 | Arrowmaster | Bibi: what about after the patch when people are screaming that wowmatrix doesnt work? |
| 03:48.14 | Kaelten | I knew it was a lot, but not 30% of curse's media servers |
| 03:48.27 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: no doubt there'll be forum posts there (and everywhere else) about it anyway ;) |
| 03:48.36 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: wow ;o |
| 03:48.36 | Arrowmaster | lmao, traffic went down by 30% from doing this? |
| 03:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: opie saw something similar, when they first got hit with the wowinsider overview |
| 03:48.45 | Dark_Elf | prob a good thing they start the maintenance early, bliz dont want all them school kids coming home sending them obscene messages on twitter about how their slower than their grandmas vibrator hehehe |
| 03:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | err, wrong topic? maybe? sorry haha |
| 03:49.05 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: I'm talking about wowmatrix's usage of curse's bandwidth |
| 03:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ah, sorry. wrong thread of convo. |
| 03:49.31 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 03:49.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: 30%? :o |
| 03:49.37 | Kaelten | yeah |
| 03:49.38 | Kaelten | 30% |
| 03:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | 30% on just the media? Does that include the download servers? |
| 03:49.49 | Bibi | Arrowmaster: I don't care, Curse is evil. |
| 03:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | (Not having a clue how you are setup...) |
| 03:50.08 | Bibi | they own a competitor, that's enough to make them evil |
| 03:50.11 | Gnarfoz | that tidbit of info is both supporting your arguments and proving some people's points, I guess (the "if it weren't good, it weren't this popular" crowd) |
| 03:50.13 | Arrowmaster | Bibi: you only say that because they own worldofraids |
| 03:50.22 | Trela | Best page EVER! http://www.curse.com/content/LinkExpired.aspx |
| 03:50.24 | Arrowmaster | worldofraids is crap anyway |
| 03:50.30 | Bibi | see, that's why it works so well between us, you understand me! |
| 03:50.30 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: yes |
| 03:50.53 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: the contact us link is broken |
| 03:50.55 | Kaelten | Bibi: lol |
| 03:51.41 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: wtf |
| 03:51.46 | Arrowmaster | <a href=âmailto:bugs@curse.comâ> |
| 03:51.49 | Arrowmaster | notice the quotes |
| 03:51.54 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 03:51.59 | Kaelten | fucking copy paste jobs |
| 03:52.00 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck is editing html with ms word |
| 03:52.07 | Kaelten | who the fuck knows |
| 03:52.39 | Thunder_Child | looks at Arrowmaster for blame |
| 03:52.49 | Bibi | what's HTML? is it used to code websites like BBCode ? |
| 03:53.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to say I have this sick little smile on my face |
| 03:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Searching out random addons on wowmatrix |
| 03:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Clicking install |
| 03:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Noticing how they... don't install |
| 03:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | repeat |
| 03:53.27 | kd3 | wahahaha |
| 03:53.30 | kd3 | that's pretty win |
| 03:53.32 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: is TrainWhistle listed? |
| 03:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: yes. "could not be installed at this time: TrainWhistle" |
| 03:53.52 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: hehehehehe |
| 03:53.55 | Kaelten | fixed though |
| 03:54.16 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: yeah... it's nice |
| 03:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh I'm sure |
| 03:54.22 | Kaelten | I really wonder what _does_ work right now |
| 03:54.24 | kd3 | cairenn; do you have one of those on wowi? |
| 03:54.34 | Cairenn | kd3: one of what? |
| 03:54.43 | kd3 | a "link expired. stop using wowmatrix, you bastards" page |
| 03:54.53 | Cairenn | rofl, no, I don't think so |
| 03:54.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I just have this little sadistic smile on my face |
| 03:55.00 | Arrowmaster | TrainWhistle - Blows the whistle on whoever used a Toy Train Set. (Author: Arrowmaster) |
| 03:55.05 | Arrowmaster | bastards even have it on their website |
| 03:55.19 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: you should have seen us, there was beer and champagne at the office today ;) |
| 03:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll see how tomorrow goes though |
| 03:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You may be wishing you saved some of that, considering the incoming whine |
| 03:56.32 | Kaelten | beer is cheap |
| 03:56.32 | Kaelten | ;) |
| 03:56.34 | Kaelten | and so is cheese |
| 03:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | good thing for you |
| 03:57.22 | Kaelten | I really wonder what wowmatrix is thinking/doing |
| 03:57.36 | kd3 | I hope our collective ill will sets something on fire |
| 03:57.42 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 03:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ~kd3++ |
| 03:57.50 | Kaelten | and if they're regretting turning down our buyout offers |
| 03:57.53 | Trela | Kaelten: The new flash downloading system is fairly good. It is giving me a head ache trying to going around it. :P For personal curiosity, not bad stuff of course. |
| 03:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/09/ |
| 03:58.10 | Kaelten | Trela: by all means try |
| 03:58.18 | Kaelten | but if you succeed share with me in private please :D |
| 03:58.23 | kd3 | sbo; indeed |
| 03:58.24 | Cairenn | and us |
| 03:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | flash downloading thing? |
| 03:58.42 | Aznamir | So when Curse gonna start counting reward points? |
| 03:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | link! |
| 03:58.47 | Trela | I already have figured out how to force a validation, but it is tricky and annoying. :O |
| 03:59.02 | Shadowed | make a program that screen searches |
| 03:59.06 | Shadowed | and manually opens a browser/clicks |
| 03:59.15 | kd3 | ooh, nice. recaptcha |
| 03:59.26 | Kaelten | Aznamir: end of the month if all goes right |
| 03:59.29 | Kaelten | which I think it will |
| 03:59.54 | Kaelten | Trela: heh, well if you 'click' the button it will work |
| 04:00.29 | Trela | There is also the crazy part about not action script in the flash file. It just MAGICALLY works! |
| 04:01.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... whoa, one of those addons installed |
| 04:01.07 | Arrowmaster | which? |
| 04:01.07 | ScytheBlade1 | GoingPrice |
| 04:01.11 | Arrowmaster | and fire up wireshark, figure out from where |
| 04:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... ah, which isn't hosted on either site |
| 04:01.21 | kd3 | heh |
| 04:01.30 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: where is it being pulled from |
| 04:01.46 | ScytheBlade1 | neikos.net |
| 04:01.54 | Kaelten | never heard of it |
| 04:01.56 | Kaelten | personal site? |
| 04:01.59 | kd3 | must be |
| 04:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks to be |
| 04:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Has only info about that one addon |
| 04:02.11 | Kaelten | ah |
| 04:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And some ads |
| 04:02.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:02.54 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the Cosmos stuff still works |
| 04:03.07 | Trela | I cracked the Curse Client before and wrote a compatible client, I should be able to do this, eventually. <.< I love challenges. |
| 04:03.31 | Kaelten | Trela: which version of the Curse Client? |
| 04:03.43 | Trela | 2.x Mac beta I believe. |
| 04:03.48 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 04:03.49 | Trela | I know definitely not 3.x. |
| 04:03.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i think i started writing a download script for curse.. but then i decided it'd probably be easier, and less annoying to just manually download my addons |
| 04:03.52 | Kaelten | to my knoweldge we've not had anyone crack the current login scheme |
| 04:04.30 | DWSR | Kaelten: Did you get someone to look at what is causing those e-mails? |
| 04:04.31 | Kaelten | Trela: was it that Purse python script that was running around? |
| 04:04.44 | Kaelten | DWSR: are they still happening? |
| 04:04.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ... want to fix my curse account issues, Kaelten? because now I totally want to poke around with it, haha |
| 04:04.58 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: can you login to wowace? |
| 04:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I e-mailed you about it some time ago |
| 04:05.05 | DWSR | Kaelten: Not in the numbers that they happened that 1 time, but I've received a few since then. |
| 04:05.11 | Trela | No, I wrote a PHP script that would download the full list of AddOns and such. I showed it in WoWAce and shortly deleted it. |
| 04:05.15 | Kaelten | DWSR: hrm, I'll poke them again |
| 04:05.16 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137080965&pageNo=5&sid=1#91 "Though, it seems wowmatrix is currently working just fine with the overwhelming majority of my addons." |
| 04:05.22 | Shadowed | is the curse client going to do something evil |
| 04:05.27 | Shadowed | and add .dat files to every single addon folder? |
| 04:05.28 | DWSR | Shadowed: Yes. |
| 04:05.30 | Shirik | Cairenn: IO |
| 04:05.36 | Shirik | Cairenn: I'll check it in a few seconds |
| 04:05.38 | DWSR | Shadowed: That's not evil. That's unspeakable. |
| 04:05.50 | Trela | Kaelten: http://ace.pastey.net/97958 |
| 04:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: subject, "Curse Login" sent 10/13/08 |
| 04:07.13 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@66.225.8.145) |
| 04:08.03 | Trela | Basically, when browsing to addonservice.curse.com in the past provided a page that listed all of the available commands. |
| 04:08.26 | Kaelten | Trela: yeah, I think you'll find that you're missing a few steps now. |
| 04:08.34 | Kaelten | unless I'm misreading your notes |
| 04:08.41 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: sent where? |
| 04:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | @gmail |
| 04:09.10 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: so is curse still considering allowing premium accounts to use external updaters? |
| 04:09.17 | Trela | It has been five months, I never kept up with it. I just it amusing that it was stuck out all in the open. |
| 04:10.00 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: hrm, the password reset stuff has had some work done on it |
| 04:10.04 | Kaelten | i'd try it again |
| 04:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | tries |
| 04:10.26 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: i think somebodys already putting 2 and 2 together after Cairenn commented that the new WoWI updater is going to be extendable |
| 04:10.27 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: It's something I vote for, but have been overruled so far |
| 04:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | enables javascript and tries again |
| 04:11.08 | Kaelten | yeah, curse.com relies heavily on JS |
| 04:11.16 | Kaelten | try wowace or curseforge for a non javascript based solution |
| 04:11.19 | ScytheBlade1 | How quick should the e-mail be? |
| 04:11.28 | Kaelten | fairly quick normally |
| 04:11.32 | Trela | Curse.com's Javascript makes me insane. |
| 04:11.47 | Kaelten | Trela: me too |
| 04:11.55 | Aiiane | no comment |
| 04:12.07 | Kaelten | We'll be using more in the wowace/curseforge revamp we're working on |
| 04:12.12 | Kaelten | but it's all going to gracefully fallback |
| 04:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ah there it is |
| 04:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | gah, wtf |
| 04:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I made a serious mess of these accounts, lol |
| 04:13.23 | Kaelten | blames ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:13.34 | DWSR | Kaelten: You guys finally have a solution for blocking WoWM? |
| 04:13.45 | Kaelten | yep |
| 04:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I blame me too |
| 04:14.03 | Trela | Perhaps I am going nuts, but I see no change on WoWInterface to the download options. |
| 04:14.06 | DWSR | Can you tell me the gist, or strictly under wraps (more just curiousity than anything else). |
| 04:14.10 | Kaelten | hrm I wonder if wowmatrix has an irc channel |
| 04:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Trela: it is working, of that much I can promise you |
| 04:14.34 | Shadowed | even the HTML is basically the same |
| 04:14.41 | Shadowed | even logged out |
| 04:14.42 | Kaelten | Trela: there's is a little less noticable, but a little easier to work around |
| 04:14.47 | Trela | Mmm, looks like normal links to me and images. A different solution than Curse. |
| 04:14.51 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 04:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: any chance you could just nuke my failures? I'm not even sure what I did |
| 04:15.08 | Kaelten | ScytheBlade1: I don't have the access unfortunately :( |
| 04:15.11 | Kaelten | I wish I did |
| 04:15.14 | Arrowmaster | im guessing wowi is using a javascript solution? |
| 04:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | boo, k |
| 04:15.22 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: not currently |
| 04:15.24 | ScytheBlade1 | thanks though |
| 04:15.36 | Kaelten | I won't spoil the secret, but it's funny |
| 04:15.46 | Arrowmaster | hmm if its not flash or javascript then somebody must have gotten perty dirty with dhtml |
| 04:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It is pretty funny |
| 04:16.05 | ScytheBlade1 | keep in mind that wowmatrix is fail, and always has been |
| 04:16.17 | Kaelten | yeah it's runtime revolution |
| 04:16.19 | kd3 | whee, efiled |
| 04:16.28 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: What is supposedly funneh? |
| 04:16.36 | Kaelten | hell their 'addon database' is really just a hypercard stack |
| 04:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | How WoWI broke WM. |
| 04:16.43 | Kaelten | which is scary as hell when you get down to it |
| 04:16.54 | DWSR | gets WoWM |
| 04:16.55 | kd3 | hypercard? |
| 04:16.55 | kd3 | geez |
| 04:16.58 | kd3 | cowers in fear |
| 04:16.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ... hypercard? |
| 04:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | old news is old |
| 04:17.07 | NightHawkTheSane | .. that may give me nightmares for a week |
| 04:17.09 | ScytheBlade1 | get a better memory people, we've been over this |
| 04:17.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It even opens COM1 when opening |
| 04:17.32 | Trela | o.o;; |
| 04:17.33 | Kaelten | still the fact it's database is a stack of executable programs is scary |
| 04:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | no,i WONT get a better memory... whoever you are.. |
| 04:17.35 | Arrowmaster | wowmatrix? |
| 04:17.37 | NightHawkTheSane | where am i? |
| 04:17.44 | Kaelten | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 04:17.51 | Arrowmaster | not old news to me |
| 04:17.56 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: the bank, you owe me money, write a few zeros after this 9 |
| 04:17.56 | Trela | Are you joking, Kaelten? That seems ridiculous. |
| 04:17.58 | Arrowmaster | i didnt know it opened com1 |
| 04:18.02 | Kaelten | Trela: no I'm not |
| 04:18.25 | Trela | o.o |
| 04:18.27 | Kaelten | Trela: they're really downloading a few hundred executable programs |
| 04:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm willing to blame the COM1 bit on an artifact of the language than the intent of the program |
| 04:18.30 | Arrowmaster | so somebody just needs to do a little dns poisoning and wowmatrix turns into a keylogger delivery system? |
| 04:18.30 | Trela | SCARY! |
| 04:18.33 | Kaelten | small ones, but still |
| 04:18.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 04:18.42 | Arrowmaster | epic |
| 04:18.45 | Trela | AWESOME! |
| 04:18.48 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: No, legendary. :) |
| 04:18.49 | Arrowmaster | alert the chinese |
| 04:19.14 | Trela | The amount of compromised accounts in one day would be legendary. |
| 04:19.26 | Kaelten | they have a million users |
| 04:19.29 | Trela | ...Wait a minute. |
| 04:19.39 | Arrowmaster | depending on the spread of the dns poisoning |
| 04:19.52 | Trela | It may be possible to craft an "AddOn" to exploit how they download to deliver. <.< >.> |
| 04:19.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@132.253.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 04:19.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 04:20.06 | Trela | Get it listed... They get owned. |
| 04:20.10 | Trela | is feeling evil. |
| 04:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | All things considered? *Possibly* |
| 04:20.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The program just looks nice, in reality it is pretty terrible |
| 04:20.28 | Shirik | rawr |
| 04:20.33 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 04:20.37 | Arrowmaster | wonder if you could exploit WoWMatrix.dat |
| 04:20.38 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: I'm missing the funny part. My addons update just fine in WoWM. |
| 04:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Very likely that it simply trusts the sources blindly |
| 04:20.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (n=Jamash@75-25-130-215.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:20.50 | Arrowmaster | and if it writes it before or after it extracts the zip |
| 04:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: uh. Because you're already up to date, likely. Try to install a new one. |
| 04:20.58 | Shirik | huggles Gryphon |
| 04:21.02 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik |
| 04:21.10 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: No, I just installed an update just fine. |
| 04:21.19 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: Just SS it? |
| 04:21.20 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: to what? |
| 04:21.26 | tekkub | molesters Gryphon |
| 04:21.30 | Gryphon | molesters tekkub |
| 04:21.37 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Pawn, I think. |
| 04:21.41 | tekkub | cool it worked |
| 04:21.43 | Shirik | molesters? |
| 04:21.49 | Arrowmaster | what site is that hosted on? |
| 04:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ... WoWI |
| 04:22.00 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I know it's on Curse. |
| 04:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo they JUST pushed a build which works with WoWI |
| 04:22.17 | tekkub | molesters Shirik before he figures out what it means |
| 04:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | double checks |
| 04:22.19 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: hmm? |
| 04:22.20 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: WoWM? |
| 04:22.27 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 04:22.27 | Shirik | isn't it "molests"? |
| 04:22.42 | DWSR | Shirik: Not if you is in the intertubes. |
| 04:22.44 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, weird. JUST Pawn works for me |
| 04:23.06 | Wobin | argh |
| 04:23.16 | ScytheBlade1 | time for the good ol' wireshark |
| 04:23.25 | Wobin | I have a warrior in my guild |
| 04:23.28 | Wobin | he's level 80 |
| 04:23.29 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: are you sure they can pull from WoWI again now? |
| 04:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 04:23.36 | Wobin | but he's still using level 70 tanking gear |
| 04:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | but I'm poking |
| 04:23.48 | Wobin | because he refuses to use tabards in instances until his HE rep is full |
| 04:23.58 | Wobin | and then he'll only raise his lowest rep faction |
| 04:24.10 | Wobin | and he wants heroic defense cap |
| 04:24.10 | Shadowed | It'd hope they figure out how to pull quickly |
| 04:24.15 | Shadowed | or I'll lose any faith in them |
| 04:24.27 | Wobin | good fucking luck with that |
| 04:24.42 | Trela | ScytheBlade1: As far as I can tell, simply change the end of the AddOn page's string from infoADDON.html to downloadADDON and downloading is possible. |
| 04:24.43 | Kaelten | oh it works with wowi now? |
| 04:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | not sure |
| 04:24.55 | tekkub | gonna test this out myself :) |
| 04:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Pawn installed fine |
| 04:25.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Grabbing wireshark now to see where they pulled it from |
| 04:25.29 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I literally just checked WM like 10 minutes ago |
| 04:25.32 | Shirik | so unless they just changed it |
| 04:25.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Try to install Pawn |
| 04:25.41 | Shirik | it's not pulling from wowi |
| 04:25.49 | Kaelten | I'm getting offline for clique |
| 04:25.53 | Shadowed | it's onincgamers |
| 04:25.54 | Shadowed | too |
| 04:25.56 | Shadowed | http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=3999 |
| 04:26.02 | Kaelten | someone wireshark it! |
| 04:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | that could explain it |
| 04:26.04 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 04:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Working on it! |
| 04:26.09 | Shirik | I just did Kaelten >< |
| 04:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The link for the addon takes me to WoWI |
| 04:26.12 | Shirik | literally |
| 04:26.15 | Shirik | is what I just said |
| 04:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why I went there first |
| 04:26.21 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:26.27 | Kaelten | Shirik: but where is it coming from? |
| 04:26.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Mr_Rabies|away (n=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:26.36 | Arrowmaster | im going to fucking love it if they cause incgamers to shutdown temporarly due to bandwidth overusage |
| 04:26.38 | Shirik | oh I didn't look at that, I just looked to see that it /wasn't/ pulling from WoWI |
| 04:26.39 | Kaelten | well one approach on their site is to scramble to find valid links |
| 04:26.50 | Kaelten | their side * |
| 04:26.59 | Kaelten | Shirik: I'm kinda curious on where it's pulling from |
| 04:27.02 | Shadowed | doesn't WoWMatrix do all of the link finding locally? |
| 04:27.05 | Shadowed | not server side |
| 04:27.13 | Kaelten | Shadowed: yeah |
| 04:27.18 | tekkub | it says bimbo needs updated.... |
| 04:27.26 | Arrowmaster | they have to tell it where to look though |
| 04:27.30 | Shadowed | you have your addons on another site thought don't you |
| 04:27.36 | Arrowmaster | and it cant find the links on curse or wowi now |
| 04:27.42 | tekkub | nope, couldn't update |
| 04:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ... I'm showing that link as from WoWI |
| 04:27.58 | Kaelten | they can do version checks on curse |
| 04:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | pokes more |
| 04:28.00 | tekkub | and yea, Bimbo should be on both WoWI and Curse |
| 04:28.18 | Kaelten | but not get the download link |
| 04:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yup. definitely pulled it from WoWI. |
| 04:28.45 | Arrowmaster | so the wowi protection wasnt enough? |
| 04:28.48 | Kaelten | pawn you said? |
| 04:28.50 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: can you pull something else from WoWI with it then? |
| 04:28.50 | tekkub | can't install tekJunkSeller |
| 04:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 04:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: name something |
| 04:28.58 | Shadowed | Pawn is on incgamers too |
| 04:29.03 | Shadowed | try Afflicted ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:29.12 | Shadowed | it's 100% not on any site but wowi and my SVN |
| 04:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, afflicted tried WoWI and failed |
| 04:29.24 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: the current thing on WoWI isn't even actually our real "fix" |
| 04:29.30 | Kaelten | well, it's possible some of wowi's stuff could work but not all of it |
| 04:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But Pawn went WoWI and worked |
| 04:29.34 | Cairenn | it was just put up to fuck with their heads |
| 04:29.41 | tekkub | all my addons are curse and wowi only |
| 04:29.46 | Shadowed | you sure it's pulling from WoWI scythe? |
| 04:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | About 110% positive, yes |
| 04:29.55 | tekkub | and github, but I highly doubt they'll try to pull from there any time soon |
| 04:29.56 | Shadowed | wonders why |
| 04:30.02 | ScytheBlade1 | sec as I figure out where the crap WM keeps the cache around |
| 04:30.03 | Cairenn | how can it pull one, but only one? |
| 04:30.06 | tekkub | they'd have to correct folder names after extract |
| 04:30.07 | Cairenn | that doesn't make sense |
| 04:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | none what so ever |
| 04:30.23 | Shadowed | now I have to go download wireshark |
| 04:30.29 | Cairenn | not doubting you ScytheBlade1, just trying to understand it |
| 04:30.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Still poking :) |
| 04:30.42 | Shadowed | also copy my addons folder so I dont end up with wowmatrix.dat files everywhere |
| 04:30.44 | Cairenn | and know if I need to tell Dolby to turn on the "real" thing |
| 04:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me a few more |
| 04:31.01 | Kaelten | Cairenn: it's because they use hypercards for their download database |
| 04:31.11 | Shadowed | what are hypercards anyway |
| 04:31.11 | Kaelten | which can contain logic individual to a given addon |
| 04:31.24 | tekkub | cards with lots of sugar |
| 04:31.27 | Dagmar | Mac version of powerpoint |
| 04:31.30 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 04:31.31 | Kaelten | Shadowed: small executable chunks of code, could be a program, could be a class |
| 04:31.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-76-254-40-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:31.40 | Shadowed | that sounds like a horrible idea |
| 04:31.44 | Jamash | the java before java |
| 04:31.51 | Kaelten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard |
| 04:32.05 | Shadowed | aha |
| 04:32.06 | Trela | Hypercards was interesting, awesome, and suck all at the same time. |
| 04:32.09 | Kaelten | Shadowed: They use a modern day descendent of hypercard called runtime revolution |
| 04:32.16 | Kaelten | Trela: yeah, funny how that works |
| 04:32.49 | Trela | The funny part is I was part of an advanced learning class after school specifically to learn HyperCard. |
| 04:32.51 | kd3 | <3 myst, though |
| 04:33.05 | kd3 | and riven, for that matter |
| 04:33.23 | Shadowed | nice wowmatrix still does the dat files |
| 04:33.36 | Arrowmaster | i almost beat myst without any help |
| 04:33.44 | Arrowmaster | got suck on the stupid piano i think |
| 04:34.09 | Thunder_Child | only 5 more games Arrowmaster |
| 04:34.09 | Kaelten | Shadowed: |
| 04:34.11 | Kaelten | repeat ten times |
| 04:34.11 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.11 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.11 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.25 | tekkub | hehe, most of my addons say "Offline" |
| 04:34.29 | Shadowed | and Wireshark doesn't work on duel screens :( |
| 04:34.34 | tekkub | some have versions, I think the ones that are on cursed |
| 04:34.35 | Xinhuan | most? |
| 04:34.36 | Arrowmaster | yes it does |
| 04:34.41 | Xinhuan | why not all |
| 04:34.41 | Shadowed | there we go |
| 04:34.46 | Shadowed | it was repositioned for some weirdass reason off screen |
| 04:34.48 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: 5? |
| 04:34.49 | Kaelten | yeah Curse addons have versions but fail to update |
| 04:34.51 | tekkub | yes Xinhuan, some have no info cause they're not released |
| 04:34.59 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 04:35.05 | Xinhuan | what does Omen say in WoWM? |
| 04:35.27 | Cairenn | btw, in case we haven't said it already guys - thank you, we really appreciate your support, and the way you are helping stick up for us on this |
| 04:35.27 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, my bad, 6 |
| 04:35.29 | Xinhuan | i'm asking because i'm not going to download WoWM (hehe) |
| 04:35.49 | Shirik | wow what the hell is WM doing |
| 04:36.02 | Shirik | Curse really pissed off WM I think |
| 04:36.16 | Kraps | yay 3.1 tomorrow |
| 04:36.24 | tekkub | Cairenn: support? |
| 04:36.25 | Shirik | It's saying it can update and then Wireshark shows it doing some really crazy stuff and then finally giving up |
| 04:36.29 | tekkub | what the fuck you smoking |
| 04:36.33 | Cairenn | tekkub: ;) |
| 04:36.36 | tekkub | we just like instigating drama |
| 04:36.47 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 04:36.49 | Shadowed | what tek said |
| 04:36.57 | Thunder_Child | yes tekkub, we know you is a drama queen |
| 04:37.14 | tekkub | speaking of queens |
| 04:37.34 | tekkub | the lil fuzzy nerd at the grocery store tonight bagging our stuff was all chatty with trey |
| 04:37.38 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: it installs Pawn from WoWI for me |
| 04:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | [DWSR]: you have this nack for picking the right "random addon" that WM magically works with, and no others |
| 04:37.47 | Shirik | pawn, eh? |
| 04:37.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 04:37.51 | tekkub | asking him about what book he read today and trey's all like "I forgot" |
| 04:37.57 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: oh i have the 6 cd riven set somewhere, and i think i pirated uru but i dont think i played the others |
| 04:37.59 | Trela | Kaelten: This is one of those times staring at this combination of flash and magic for downloading that I am very confused as how to get around it. |
| 04:38.07 | Xinhuan | are you sure its downloading from WoWI and not another location? |
| 04:38.13 | Cairenn | heh, he's sure |
| 04:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 110% positive |
| 04:38.15 | Kaelten | Trela: :D |
| 04:38.19 | tekkub | we get outside and he says "I wasn't about to tell him it was 'The Snow Queen' and I couldn't think of anything else" |
| 04:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Trust me on that one |
| 04:38.35 | Shadowed | weird |
| 04:38.39 | Shadowed | so it is pulling off of WoWI |
| 04:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless fs.wowinterface.com isn't WoWI, I'm quite sure |
| 04:38.44 | Trela | I see where p&v are going, but not how they get generated. Kind of frustrating. :P |
| 04:38.52 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 04:38.57 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: double-check... |
| 04:39.00 | Shirik | Gnarfoz, I see the same |
| 04:39.01 | Gnarfoz | it gives up on wowi |
| 04:39.01 | tekkub | I had Riven on mac, man those were the days |
| 04:39.02 | Shadowed | GET /downloads/info/7296-Pawn.html HTTP/1.1 |
| 04:39.05 | Xinhuan | can you find another addon that works? |
| 04:39.06 | Gnarfoz | and then gets it from wowui |
| 04:39.06 | Shadowed | Host: wowinterface.com |
| 04:39.06 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 04:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be the fourth time I double-checked |
| 04:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:39.11 | Cairenn | Trela: to be perfectly honest, I hope you never figure it out |
| 04:39.15 | Gnarfoz | it does for me |
| 04:39.20 | tekkub | and 3, priated Uru but then my mom bought it for me |
| 04:39.26 | Gnarfoz | why else would wowui even show up in wireshark? |
| 04:39.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 04:39.41 | tekkub | never played the stuff beyond when uru was a faile4d online thing |
| 04:39.47 | Gnarfoz | unless wowi switched to using /download.php?id=7296 |
| 04:39.48 | Trela | Cairenn: I will eventually, but I never tell any one. >.> I work better on a lack of sleep and I am rested at the moment. |
| 04:40.19 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 04:40.25 | Gnarfoz | oh, well... I fail |
| 04:40.28 | Gnarfoz | and should sleep :D |
| 04:40.34 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: thats the same id that Shadowed said |
| 04:40.36 | Cairenn | Trela: if you DO find a way around, please let us (Curse and WoWI) know, so we can break again |
| 04:40.44 | Gnarfoz | wowi's website just makes a good job of never showing me *that* URL |
| 04:40.44 | Arrowmaster | but different urls |
| 04:40.48 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: yeah :\ |
| 04:40.52 | Kaelten | Trela: p & v are universal constants, they've been here long before we came into existance and will be long after we pass. |
| 04:40.56 | Kaelten | or something like that |
| 04:41.14 | Kraps | lol poor brann |
| 04:41.18 | Gnarfoz | also why isn't wireshark's name resolution working for me :X |
| 04:41.25 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: enable it? |
| 04:41.29 | Gnarfoz | it is? |
| 04:41.51 | Gnarfoz | I even used the "resolve name" option and now it's grayed out :D |
| 04:42.03 | Arrowmaster | you need to stop the capture first i think |
| 04:42.11 | Gnarfoz | already stopped |
| 04:42.19 | Arrowmaster | do a realtime capture? |
| 04:42.19 | Gnarfoz | it resolved my own host name |
| 04:42.21 | Gnarfoz | but that's it |
| 04:42.26 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 04:42.30 | Arrowmaster | it works for me |
| 04:42.42 | Shadowed | is confused how this is working |
| 04:43.22 | Trela | blinks. |
| 04:43.27 | Trela | Epoch... Sun, 23 Nov 4125 |
| 04:43.31 | Gnarfoz | doesn't work for Afflicted |
| 04:43.34 | Trela | Sun, 23 Nov 41253 |
| 04:43.35 | Gnarfoz | which is... wtf? |
| 04:43.36 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 04:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell |
| 04:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It -only- is working for Pawn |
| 04:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | sits confused |
| 04:44.05 | Shadowed | I see no http requests beyond the actual download |
| 04:44.06 | kd3 | clear your cache? |
| 04:44.07 | Shadowed | and one to wowmatrix |
| 04:44.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 04:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And then I ran process monitor against WM to make sure I cleared all of the caches |
| 04:44.28 | Gnarfoz | I only installed wowmatrix to check this |
| 04:44.32 | Gnarfoz | never had it installed before |
| 04:44.40 | Kaelten | could be they're caching that url directly? |
| 04:44.48 | Shadowed | Wonder what the pixel;r=blahblah request to wowmatrix is |
| 04:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Doubtful |
| 04:44.53 | ScytheBlade1 | They make a request to the info page first |
| 04:45.43 | Shadowed | wonder why they do that, to check version I guess? |
| 04:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | To get the proper link |
| 04:45.57 | Gnarfoz | check version and get the actual download url? |
| 04:45.59 | Shadowed | they even set the referer |
| 04:46.16 | Kraps | the trailer kicks ass |
| 04:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | For the curious, %appdata%\Aceron is where it keeps all of the stuff |
| 04:46.47 | Shadowed | Acreon you mean |
| 04:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
| 04:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | IRC is on another computer |
| 04:47.03 | Kraps | and wyrnn seemed to be the lesser dickhead this time |
| 04:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't exactly copy and paste :) |
| 04:47.21 | Shadowed | :po |
| 04:47.21 | Thunder_Child | should have ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ whoa |
| 04:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Host: swupdate.wowmatrix.com/addons/Pawn.german.zip |
| 04:48.28 | Shadowed | just now? |
| 04:48.33 | Cairenn | hmmmm? |
| 04:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Only the german version |
| 04:48.38 | kd3 | ! |
| 04:48.41 | Shadowed | oh |
| 04:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | English is pulled from WoWI |
| 04:49.24 | Kaelten | wow |
| 04:49.29 | Kaelten | they're hosting their own file? |
| 04:49.38 | Kaelten | quick someone notify pawn's author |
| 04:49.39 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell |
| 04:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly one |
| 04:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:49.59 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if it is for some legal fiction |
| 04:50.01 | Dolby | no its being downloaded from our file server |
| 04:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Can anyone else name some multi-language addons for me? |
| 04:50.21 | Trela | ...flagRSP2? English, German, French. |
| 04:50.36 | Dolby | dunno why the version says English |
| 04:50.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That is a single addon that supports multiple languages |
| 04:50.52 | Dolby | wondering if their parser is so screwed up it tagged a random name? |
| 04:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Pawn has different addons for different languages |
| 04:50.53 | Shadowed | flagrsp2 isn't the same |
| 04:50.55 | Shadowed | yea |
| 04:50.56 | Trela | Oh. |
| 04:50.56 | Dolby | err word |
| 04:51.32 | Arrowmaster | they mention on their faq page now that they will host addons on their servers if you ask them |
| 04:51.33 | Dolby | yes but thats not our version number |
| 04:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah just did it again, english came off of WoWI, pawn came off of WM |
| 04:51.41 | *** join/#wowuidev airtonix (n=airtonix@ppp203-122-216-37.lns12.adl6.internode.on.net) |
| 04:51.42 | Dolby | so if its updated again it wont be updated |
| 04:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | s/pawn/german/ |
| 04:52.03 | Dolby | oh german from WM? |
| 04:52.05 | Shadowed | this is an annoying puzzle! |
| 04:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 04:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:48 < ScytheBlade1> Host: swupdate.wowmatrix.com/addons/Pawn.german.zip |
| 04:52.17 | Shadowed | how the hell are they getting Pawn off of wowi |
| 04:52.23 | Dolby | yeah wireshark shows english coming from us |
| 04:52.28 | tekkub | I hope they turn around and start hosting shit themselves so we can hit them with DCMA |
| 04:52.32 | tekkub | *crosses fingers* |
| 04:52.45 | Kaelten | tekkub: lol, you're just dmca happy! |
| 04:52.54 | tekkub | no actually I hate it |
| 04:52.58 | Dolby | but how people will get updates with it not reading the version is beyond me. Once they put more work into it I'll enable more |
| 04:52.58 | Kaelten | becareful you'll get a papercut! |
| 04:53.02 | tekkub | but hey, I can abuse it too |
| 04:53.11 | Kaelten | yeah, I hate the need, it'd be nice if people wouldn't be dicks |
| 04:53.31 | Kaelten | Dolby: they may have to end up updating each mod by hand |
| 04:53.33 | Kaelten | it's hard to say |
| 04:53.33 | tekkub | I like dicks |
| 04:53.43 | airtonix | ... |
| 04:53.50 | Kaelten | lol |
| 04:53.55 | Shadowed | good old tekkub |
| 04:54.08 | Shadowed | Could they get the version from RSS or something? |
| 04:54.20 | NightHawkTheSane | "it'd be nice if people wouldn't be dicks" <-- do you realize how many problems this would solve? :p |
| 04:54.28 | Thunder_Child | 0 |
| 04:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | okay |
| 04:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | For whatever reason, my copy stopped asking -any- server for Pawn in English |
| 04:56.00 | Shadowed | oh wait |
| 04:56.12 | Shadowed | Dolby: Why do they need to read version? They could just look at the date updated |
| 04:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: I've updated an addon multiple times a day |
| 04:57.14 | Dolby | they could yes |
| 04:57.15 | Shadowed | the hour changes |
| 04:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Within the same hour :P |
| 04:57.26 | Shadowed | and minute :p |
| 04:57.26 | Dolby | i want them to do some work they dont need to do |
| 04:57.32 | ScytheBlade1 | okay you win that one |
| 04:57.37 | Shadowed | I always win! |
| 04:57.40 | Shirik | anyone know if they're resetting arena points at patch? |
| 04:57.46 | Shadowed | no, when S6 starts |
| 04:57.47 | kd3 | think they are |
| 04:57.50 | kd3 | er, ya, s6 |
| 04:57.58 | Thunder_Child | and obviously you fail ScytheBlade1....unpdating multiple times per hout |
| 04:57.59 | Shadowed | S5 ends tomorrow, a week later S6 starts and AP + teams are reset |
| 04:58.00 | Thunder_Child | hour* |
| 04:58.04 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:58.07 | Shadowed | I've done that before when I got lazy |
| 04:58.08 | Thunder_Child | updating* |
| 04:58.10 | Shadowed | and pushed a typo :* |
| 04:58.11 | Shirik | now I have to figure out whether or not I want to use arena points |
| 04:58.14 | ScytheBlade1 | someone restart their WM |
| 04:58.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And try to grab Carbonite, with wireshark open |
| 04:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it send -any- request? |
| 04:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | oh no never mind |
| 04:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid wireshark filter |
| 04:59.01 | Shadowed | whats an-nevermind |
| 05:01.51 | Shadowed | No chance that WoWMatrix is loading the entire page just for Pawn I guess? |
| 05:02.00 | Shadowed | maybe some weird test version just for that |
| 05:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It loads the entire page for every addon |
| 05:02.19 | Shadowed | loads loads, or just pulls it from the server |
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| 05:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | pulls the HTML from the server |
| 05:03.44 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@173-25-20-69.client.mchsi.com) |
| 05:03.48 | Shadowed | although I guess you would see more HTTP requests if it did that |
| 05:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 05:04.27 | Arrowmaster | it downloads the html for one page using libcurl then tries to get the links from that page |
| 05:09.21 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-66-11-239.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:09.58 | Shadowed | is annoyed by this but has to sleep anyway |
| 05:10.23 | Kaelten | so are they making progress on the work arounds yet? |
| 05:10.33 | Shadowed | isn't that hard to say |
| 05:10.35 | Shadowed | they either work, or don't |
| 05:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 05:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | as far as I can tell, pawn is a fluke |
| 05:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | An odd fluke, but a fluke |
| 05:10.55 | Shadowed | howwwwwwww is it a fluke |
| 05:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it works, when every single other addon doesn't |
| 05:11.09 | Kaelten | my guess is they do a direct link |
| 05:11.13 | Kaelten | and don't do a version check |
| 05:11.17 | Shadowed | I mean how is it managing to be a fluke |
| 05:11.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, they pull the page HTML first |
| 05:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have no idea @ Shadowed |
| 05:11.24 | Shadowed | it's contacting the download URL |
| 05:11.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 05:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Where as the other addons don't get that far |
| 05:12.06 | Shadowed | ho hum |
| 05:12.17 | Shadowed | maybe it uses a different method of version checking, because the addon is also on WoWMatrix? |
| 05:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Only the german version |
| 05:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | And from what I can tell, other addons aren't on wowmatrix |
| 05:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Although I wouldn't call the check I did remotely exhaustive |
| 05:12.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 05:13.04 | Shadowed | yea but, it because it uses Hypercards. Maybe they wrote a custom download method specifically for Pawn, which includes skipping a version check for whatever reason |
| 05:13.11 | Shadowed | if because it usese* |
| 05:13.14 | Shadowed | minus that last e |
| 05:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Or maybe any one of a thousand things |
| 05:13.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Guessing is pointless |
| 05:13.40 | Shadowed | Of course, but it's still fun |
| 05:18.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Taroven (n=chatzill@HW-ESR1-208-102-197-5.fuse.net) |
| 05:27.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Rincewind` (n=Rince@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust752.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 05:28.13 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.21 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 05:28.21 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.40 | Taroven | XD |
| 05:28.43 | Kaelten | left my sinus spray at the office :( |
| 05:28.56 | Shirik | funny, I expected that Kaelten would drink anything |
| 05:29.16 | Kaelten | well my sinus spray is a lot like vicks, does that count? |
| 05:29.30 | Fisker- | throws a bucket of aged yolk after Kaelten |
| 05:29.36 | Fisker- | you can't just delete my posts ;_; |
| 05:29.38 | Fisker- | also |
| 05:29.44 | Kaelten | I haven't deleted shit :P |
| 05:29.54 | Fisker- | have you decided to make autoupdates etc. not be premium features anymore? |
| 05:29.57 | Kaelten | Shirik: I took a pitcher of those drinks to a boxing day party, they where a hit |
| 05:30.11 | Kaelten | Fisker-: fully automattic updating is a premium feature |
| 05:30.36 | Fisker- | So you still have to install addons one at a time? |
| 05:30.39 | Arrowmaster | thats something people will always bitch about until they actually try it |
| 05:31.03 | Kaelten | Fisker-: yes one click installs are also disabled for non premium. |
| 05:31.17 | Kaelten | however, the non premium client is very much usable |
| 05:32.26 | Fisker- | anyways new patch tomorrow :3 |
| 05:32.29 | Fisker- | like i foretold |
| 05:32.36 | Fisker- | the prophecy has been fullfilled |
| 05:32.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you're like a retarded jesus or something |
| 05:33.04 | Kaelten | from hamlet 2? |
| 05:33.08 | Fisker- | yeah except the retarded part |
| 05:33.24 | Fisker- | i'm some kind of super god |
| 05:33.27 | NightHawkTheSane | funny,i was going to say "except for the jesus part" |
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| 05:34.51 | Fisker- | funny how that is |
| 05:34.58 | *** join/#wowuidev msou| (i=msoul@meridian.sosdg.org) |
| 05:35.51 | Thunder_Child | "he is elephant making love to a cat rough on you" |
| 05:36.21 | msou| | is there any similar addon to atlas/atlasloot? |
| 05:37.08 | Arrowmaster | @describe instancemaps |
| 05:37.09 | Repo | Arrowmaster: No project found that matches 'instancemaps' |
| 05:37.16 | Arrowmaster | @describe instance-maps |
| 05:37.17 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/projects/instance-maps/. InstanceMaps. Maps. Like, for instances. |
| 05:37.30 | msou| | Thanks |
| 05:37.31 | Arrowmaster | thats not my fault |
| 05:37.46 | Arrowmaster | those where there before i got there |
| 05:38.31 | msou| | I did hit lvl 40 yesterday... I ignored a lot of instances cause I don't know where to find them |
| 05:38.49 | msou| | even if I go back there is no use I suppose |
| 05:39.52 | Mysticell | Anyone here know the full size for the patch 3.1 updater yet? |
| 05:40.12 | msou| | the pre-download was 6xx MB cannot remember |
| 05:41.48 | Kaelten | I love how people are assuming that I have to give a damn about end users when they aren't paying. I mean seriously I care, but only as much as I want to. |
| 05:43.25 | msou| | What serevice(s) do you provide? |
| 05:43.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaelten: its common knowledge that in any tiered payment structure no one ever gives a damn about anything but the top tier, get with the program, yeah? :P |
| 05:44.09 | Thunder_Child | msou|, it comes with kneepads |
| 05:44.16 | Fisker- | The predownload is 850MB at the moment |
| 05:44.17 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: remind that one guy that people still have to follow the sites terms to use its services, including if those terms limit the 'browsers' allowed to be used |
| 05:44.21 | Fisker- | probably won't be much more than that |
| 05:44.26 | Fisker- | so 900MB i guess for the full patch |
| 05:44.30 | Wobin | >< |
| 05:44.38 | Kaelten | Heard the last chunk of the patch was 26mb |
| 05:44.47 | Wobin | just had to act as buffer between an overgeared shammy and an undergeared pally tank |
| 05:44.54 | Kaelten | NightHawkTheSane: for $50.00/hr, I'll make a damn fine addon for you |
| 05:45.13 | Moleculor | I've only got 714 MB of the patch and I can't get the patch downloader to even recognize there's more. :| |
| 05:45.14 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: its funny how people assume they can legally do anything they want with publicly available data |
| 05:45.50 | Fisker- | i just discovered yesterday that the startmenu search and be used as run |
| 05:45.50 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 05:46.02 | Fisker- | s/and/can/ |
| 05:46.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Moleculor: fisker's client has to add in a hundred or so MB for the "retarded" language pack |
| 05:46.11 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 05:46.25 | Moleculor | Ooooh. For them there foreign language speaky peoples. |
| 05:46.32 | NightHawkTheSane | no, just for fisker. |
| 05:46.48 | Fisker- | i would've preferred retarded fisker's retarded client |
| 05:46.58 | Fisker- | that's the spirit NightHawkTheSane |
| 05:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 05:47.28 | Mysticell | wants more than 714mb. |
| 05:47.35 | Arrowmaster | hey US client includes enUS and esMX now |
| 05:47.40 | Wobin | "retarded Fisker retarded" isn't that triply redundant? |
| 05:51.10 | Moleculor | Hoooooooly shit. Have you seen the video they have on mmo-champion? |
| 05:51.29 | Trela | Kaelten: You are a magnificent bastard. I am going to bed for now. |
| 05:51.35 | kd3 | it's on the main site too, moleculor |
| 05:51.39 | Moleculor | Ahh. |
| 05:51.40 | kd3 | and ya, it's pretty damn sweet |
| 05:51.43 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 05:52.02 | Moleculor | Ok, I have to go to work NOW if I even want to hope seeing the patched servers tonight. And if I'm LUCKY, I might actually be able to skip part of work to raid, too. |
| 05:52.31 | kd3 | meh, running bet with guildies is 'how many days the servers aren't going to be capable of raiding' |
| 05:52.35 | kd3 | I'm betting on 'til thursday |
| 05:52.56 | Moleculor | I'm hoping so too. I'd hate trying to raid on a day where I have to work twice. |
| 05:54.21 | msou| | it does look nice instancemaps |
| 05:55.00 | Arrowmaster | msou|: probably going to break tomorrow |
| 05:55.13 | msou| | the 3.1 coming out tomorrow? |
| 05:55.16 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:55.31 | msou| | oh I see... I won't notice anything yet until I hit lvl 55 I suppose |
| 05:55.45 | Thunder_Child | no, i think the dual spec is at 40 |
| 05:55.53 | Arrowmaster | well the maps might need regenerated for the patch |
| 05:55.53 | msou| | and definitely will create a dk char as an ally |
| 05:56.00 | msou| | what's the dual spec tough |
| 05:56.08 | Arrowmaster | which i dont know when ill get |
| 05:56.13 | Arrowmaster | since i dont even play anymore |
| 05:56.22 | Cairenn | pokes a whole slew of you to get your updated versions on WoWI, or if they don't need updating, to at least go checkmark the "works with 3.1" box |
| 05:56.28 | msou| | I got hooked! :) |
| 05:56.40 | Cairenn | and anywhere else you have them uploaded |
| 05:56.50 | msou| | tired of playing as a horde |
| 05:57.09 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: my addons arent on wowi, and ive publicly stated that im not updating them anymore |
| 05:57.17 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: :( |
| 05:57.22 | msou| | horde territories suck :/ played with a friend as night elf and she took me to the stormwind.. pretty nice place |
| 05:57.42 | msou| | Arrowmaster: what addon |
| 05:57.44 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: to the second part of your statement, that is /hug |
| 05:57.47 | NeoTron | is the ptr still up? |
| 05:57.54 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:57.57 | Arrowmaster | msou|: well InstanceMaps is one |
| 05:58.05 | kd3 | that's not any indication. ptrs have been up when patches have gone live |
| 05:58.05 | msou| | Ah cool :) |
| 05:58.07 | NeoTron | they changed chat filters correct? |
| 05:58.26 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: they did |
| 05:58.39 | Moleculor | Blue posts have gone out absolutely confirming 100% that the intention is to get 3.1 out today. |
| 05:58.48 | Moleculor | So PTR or no PTR, they're making an attempt. |
| 05:58.50 | Arrowmaster | so unless somebody has already updated it, my urlcopy module in chatter is going to break everything |
| 05:59.30 | Arrowmaster | would poke Grum if he was in here |
| 06:00.25 | NeoTron | Moleculor: I just wanted to know if I could test my addons to make sure they work |
| 06:00.40 | NeoTron | specifically the chat thing |
| 06:00.49 | NeoTron | think that's the only thing that should be affected |
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| 06:03.40 | Arrowmaster | 01:58:50a (Arrowmaster) so unless somebody has already updated it, my urlcopy module in chatter is going to break everything |
| 06:03.41 | Arrowmaster | 01:59:30a * Arrowmaster would poke Grum if he was in here |
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| 06:04.12 | Lothaer | you rang Cairenn? |
| 06:04.24 | Cairenn | Lothaer: kinda too late dear |
| 06:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | makes a note to disable urlcopy... |
| 06:04.42 | Lothaer | lol true |
| 06:04.50 | Lothaer | GF grandma died last week kinda been busy |
| 06:04.52 | Cairenn | we've been trying to get in touch with you guys to warn you about: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069 so that you guys could take steps as well |
| 06:05.01 | Cairenn | :( I'm really sorry to hear that |
| 06:05.24 | Grum | Arrowmaster: i dont have ptr stuff .. so erm hard to fix :p |
| 06:05.45 | Cairenn | pass along my condolences to her and her family |
| 06:05.51 | Lothaer | thanks Cairenn :D |
| 06:05.59 | Arrowmaster | Grum: Funkeh` fixed it in basicchatmod which was just a rip of the chatter module |
| 06:06.28 | msou| | bioshock 2 gameplay looks sweet |
| 06:06.34 | Grum | from what i've hard its nothing more than giving back different arguments from the chat-filter being used |
| 06:06.42 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 06:07.01 | msou| | by the way, if a rogue stunts you with whatever spell, how can you get out of it :/ |
| 06:07.12 | msou| | he did that and ran away instead of fighting |
| 06:07.28 | Grum | Arrowmaster: the fix should be trivial |
| 06:09.07 | Kaelten | Lothaer: condolances |
| 06:10.15 | Wobin | Cairenn: personally I thought you were using Force Lightning on Tekkub in that thread's emoticon =P |
| 06:10.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:11.31 | kd3 | lmao |
| 06:11.32 | tekkub | like I said they make no sense |
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| 06:24.28 | msou| | where do you get this leeroy achievement by the way? |
| 06:26.15 | batrick | ... |
| 06:27.49 | Lothaer | lol |
| 06:28.08 | Lothaer | goto UBRS and after the first boss break open all the eggs and kill 50 whelps in 30secs |
| 06:28.13 | Lothaer | or something like that |
| 06:28.30 | msou| | yeah, well I do not want to get it... I just want to see the place |
| 06:28.52 | msou| | the first time I heard of leeroy from rainbow six FPS game :) |
| 06:28.59 | Lothaer | ............ |
| 06:29.11 | msou| | cause I run and gun guy hate camping |
| 06:29.12 | Lothaer | u heard of the MINUS 50 DKP guy? |
| 06:29.24 | msou| | I've been playing the game less than a month |
| 06:29.28 | Lothaer | lol |
| 06:29.41 | msou| | what's so funny mind I ask you |
| 06:30.14 | Lothaer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04 |
| 06:30.19 | Grum | nothing, its also clearly staged ... |
| 06:30.21 | Grum | so bleh :D |
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| 06:33.44 | Cairenn | ugh, net splits again |
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| 06:37.06 | Lothaer | anyone here evere gonna comto Australia? |
| 06:37.16 | Taroven | http://xkcd.com/364/ |
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| 06:38.10 | Lothaer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I |
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| 06:53.31 | Shirik | is bored |
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| 06:58.19 | NightHawkTheSane | play dice wars: http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/dice/dice.html |
| 06:58.23 | Syzgyn | amuses Shirik with shiny objects |
| 06:59.59 | Arrowmaster | hmm this could take a while to start working again...... |
| 07:00.56 | Arrowmaster | had a movie paused for like 20 hours so unpausing locked up since it has to go pull it from the drive again |
| 07:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 07:02.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah mpc isnt happy |
| 07:03.32 | Arrowmaster | ill just kill it and reopen |
| 07:06.48 | Shirik | I win |
| 07:06.50 | Shirik | too easy NightHawkTheSane |
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| 07:09.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't say it was hard :P |
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| 07:16.25 | Cairenn | giggles at kd3 |
| 07:17.28 | kd3 | >.> |
| 07:17.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:17.50 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137080965&sid=1&pageNo=7#129 |
| 07:17.58 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 07:18.33 | kd3 | and with that, time for sleep. here's hoping the sites are a bit more responsive than usual today |
| 07:18.48 | Cairenn | night kd3, sweet dreams :) |
| 07:19.54 | zenzio | sigh... "EULA agreement" |
| 07:20.13 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 07:31.38 | Wobin | Shirik: Go play Braid =) |
| 07:31.43 | Wobin | if you're bored |
| 07:31.46 | Shirik | what? |
| 07:34.12 | Wobin | »» @Shirik is bored |
| 07:34.23 | Shirik | yes but what is braid |
| 07:34.29 | Wobin | Although I don't know if you're in a location where you can play games |
| 07:34.36 | Aqua | hmmmm |
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| 07:34.46 | Wobin | http://braid-game.com/ |
| 07:35.13 | Aqua | anyone seen anything on the patch? |
| 07:35.55 | Zootfizzle | I hear it's gonna be great! |
| 07:36.03 | Cairenn | everyone is pretty sure it's going live today/tomorrow (depending on your time zone and whether you use NA or EU servers) |
| 07:36.24 | Aqua | i was hoping for one more week |
| 07:36.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle is totally an unbiased source, i totally trust him. |
| 07:36.45 | Wobin | Shirik: It's a really fun game, that's just been released on PC (it's been on Xbox for a while) |
| 07:36.47 | Zootfizzle | How about "Very Soon (TM)"? |
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| 07:37.20 | Aqua | guess this is a good time to do work on my addon |
| 07:38.16 | Shirik | Zootfizzle: Do you have any idea if it will be within the next 2 years maybe? |
| 07:38.21 | VonhintenHOME` | I feel like this Argent Tournament stuff is gonna completely pass me by... |
| 07:38.34 | VonhintenHOME` | I have no idea why it's there, or why I should bother.. with all the other stuff in this patch |
| 07:39.18 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:39.24 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras :) |
| 07:39.40 | Sargeras | hey cutie |
| 07:39.43 | Sargeras | how are ya? |
| 07:40.56 | Wobin | VonhintenHOME`: ditto |
| 07:41.59 | Zootfizzle | Shirik: I meant to imply less time than normal with the use of the word "Very" |
| 07:42.12 | Shirik | Hence why I went from 3 down to 2 |
| 07:42.24 | Zootfizzle | So one very is a 33% reduction? |
| 07:42.34 | Shirik | yes :) |
| 07:42.44 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds appropriate |
| 07:42.48 | Shirik | logarithmically, of course |
| 07:43.00 | Shirik | that is, very very soon is very (very soon) |
| 07:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | aaand.. now my head hurts |
| 07:43.17 | VonhintenHOME` | Far extremely large values of "soon" |
| 07:43.22 | Shirik | so .33 ^2 * soon |
| 07:43.37 | Shirik | I mean .66 ^ 2 * soon |
| 07:44.05 | Shirik | and not (1 - .3 * 2) * soon |
| 07:44.16 | Shirik | so no amount of "very" can ever get to zero |
| 07:46.18 | NeoTron | I sort of agree that the argent tournament is odd |
| 07:46.40 | NeoTron | it just doesn't fit in to have a place with fun and games... in the area occupied by one of the most evil and powerful forces your world has ever seen |
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| 07:47.32 | Zootfizzle | Okay, well N is greater than 10 and less than 20, Shirik :) |
| 07:48.27 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: *shrug* as a rallying point for those opposed to arthas, and a way to hone skills, keep in practice, and keep the scourge at bay it makes sense enough. |
| 07:48.30 | Shirik | lua> .66^10 * 3 * 365 |
| 07:48.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: 17.173288845973 |
| 07:48.31 | zenzio | I'd say N is 14 |
| 07:48.35 | Shirik | lua> .66^20 * 3 * 365 |
| 07:48.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.26933502263674 |
| 07:48.50 | Shirik | so it's somewhere between 6 hours and 2 weeks |
| 07:49.05 | Shirik | lua> .66^14 * 3 * 365 |
| 07:49.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3.2585862210409 |
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| 07:49.16 | Shirik | zenzio, 3 days? o.O |
| 07:49.37 | zenzio | no, the 14th letter |
| 07:49.51 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:49.55 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 07:50.53 | Shirik | ~soon |
| 07:50.54 | purl | [soon] well before heat death, or http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 07:51.07 | Shirik | kd3! Halp |
| 07:51.13 | Shirik | he logged off :( |
| 07:51.26 | Shirik | Anyone know what the login is for wowwiki where your username was already taken during the merge? |
| 07:51.43 | foxlit | WoWWiki-OldName |
| 07:52.54 | Shirik | hm, wowwiki seems to be incapable of keeping me logged in |
| 07:53.47 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: after the Ulduar trailer |
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| 07:54.05 | Wobin | I can't really see Varian and Thrall playing games =P |
| 07:54.20 | Wobin | well maybe Thrall |
| 07:54.23 | Wobin | cause he's not a dickhead |
| 07:54.57 | zenzio | Let's ride! |
| 07:55.23 | Shirik | batbot: soonCalc = function(s) local v=s:match("^%s*(.-)%s+[Ss]oon%s*$"; if not v then error("Not soon at all!"); end local n = 0; for k in v:gmatch("[Vv]ery") do n=n+1 end return .66^n*3*365 end |
| 07:55.28 | Shirik | --> soonCalc = function(s) local v=s:match("^%s*(.-)%s+[Ss]oon%s*$"; if not v then error("Not soon at all!"); end local n = 0; for k in v:gmatch("[Vv]ery") do n=n+1 end return .66^n*3*365 end |
| 07:55.29 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "soonCalc = function(s) local v=s:match("^%s*(.-)%s+[Ss]oon%s*$"..."]:1: ')' expected near ';' |
| 07:55.46 | NeoTron | so I don'g get why gmail doesn't add a language filter |
| 07:55.48 | Shirik | --> soonCalc = function(s) local v=s:match("^%s*(.-)%s+[Ss]oon%s*$"); if not v then error("Not soon at all!"); end local n = 0; for k in v:gmatch("[Vv]ery") do n=n+1 end return .66^n*3*365 end |
| 07:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: haha |
| 07:55.51 | foxlit | nev: "basically, the error [tainting restricted environment] went away when i disabled the "use blizzard vehicle UI" in bartender4." |
| 07:55.54 | NeoTron | i.e ONLY show me things in English or Swedish |
| 07:56.02 | NeoTron | if it's russhan, chinese, japanese etc just spam it |
| 07:56.06 | Shirik | --> soonCalc("soon") |
| 07:56.07 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "soonCalc = function(s) local v=s:match("^%s..."]:1: Not soon at all! |
| 07:56.11 | NeoTron | because even if it WAS valid email I couldn't read it anyway |
| 07:56.11 | Shirik | hm |
| 07:56.12 | Wobin | Nihao! |
| 07:56.16 | Wobin | Ohayo! |
| 07:56.21 | Shirik | ohayou |
| 07:57.11 | Zootfizzle | chigau |
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| 07:57.11 | Zootfizzle | likes slapping people and randomly picks Shirik to slap. |
| 07:57.11 | Shirik | "randomly" I think your RNG is biased |
| 07:57.11 | Wobin | ÐдÑавÑÑвÑйÑе |
| 07:57.11 | Zootfizzle | Oh yeah? |
| 07:57.11 | Zootfizzle | Let's test it? |
| 07:57.11 | Zootfizzle | slaps Shirik and starts getting carried away |
| 07:57.14 | NeoTron | it's like the simplest filter ever. At least filter out non-latin1/latin15 content types |
| 07:57.23 | zenzio | "Help your nether rod to become her horror and her heaven at the same time" o_O |
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| 07:57.25 | Zootfizzle | Look, a repetition, it must be truly random |
| 07:57.31 | Kalroth | WoW got the Wi RNG! |
| 07:57.32 | VonhintenHOME` | I dunno Zoot, data sample size is too small |
| 07:57.49 | Wobin | That's what -she- said =( |
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| 07:57.56 | Shirik | --> soonCalc = function(s) local start,_,v=s:find("^%s*(.-)%s+[Ss]oon%s*$"); if not start then error("Not soon at all!"); end local n = 0; for k in (v or ""):gmatch("[Vv]ery") do n=n+1 end return .66^n*3*365 end |
| 07:58.03 | Shirik | --> soonCalc("soon") |
| 07:58.04 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "soonCalc = function(s) local start,_,v=s:fi..."]:1: Not soon at all! |
| 07:58.07 | Shirik | :/ |
| 07:58.15 | Shirik | ah crap, I see what it is |
| 07:58.31 | NeoTron | so a posted on the bank in the building I work (it has an asian focus since it's near the asian section of the city) says Nin Hao, not Ni Hao |
| 07:58.36 | Shirik | --> soonCalc = function(s) local start,_,v=s:find("^%s*(.-)%s*[Ss]oon%s*$"); if not start then error("Not soon at all!"); end local n = 0; for k in (v or ""):gmatch("[Vv]ery") do n=n+1 end return .66^n*3*365 end |
| 07:58.42 | Shirik | --> soonCalc("soon") |
| 07:58.42 | batbot | Shirik: > 1095 |
| 07:58.43 | Wobin | Nin Hao is the more formal version |
| 07:58.52 | Shirik | --> soonCalc("very soon") |
| 07:58.52 | batbot | Shirik: > 722.7 |
| 07:58.54 | NeoTron | figured it was something like that |
| 07:58.56 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 07:59.00 | Zootfizzle | LOL |
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| 07:59.09 | Shirik | --> soonCalc("very very very very very soon") |
| 07:59.10 | batbot | Shirik: > 137.130417072 |
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| 07:59.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: ... don't you have better things to do? something about an addon updater? :P |
| 07:59.36 | Shirik | Computes an estimate for the number of days involved in "VeryXn soon" |
| 07:59.39 | Kalroth | --> soonCalc("very^very soon") |
| 07:59.39 | batbot | Kalroth: > 476.982 |
| 07:59.40 | foxlit | I'm sure he'll be done with that |
| 07:59.49 | foxlit | --> soonCalc("soon"); |
| 07:59.50 | batbot | foxlit: > 1095 |
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| 08:00.00 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: zing. |
| 08:00.01 | Fisker- | --> soonCalc("too soon"); |
| 08:00.01 | batbot | Fisker-: > 1095 |
| 08:00.08 | Fisker- | --> soonCalc("too soon executos"); |
| 08:00.09 | batbot | Fisker-: @ [string "soonCalc = function(s) local start,_,v=s:fi..."]:1: Not soon at all! |
| 08:00.15 | End | --> soonCalc("veryveryveryverysoon") |
| 08:00.16 | batbot | End: > 207.7733592 |
| 08:00.33 | Zootfizzle | --> soonCalc("Very very very very very very very very very very very very very soon?") |
| 08:00.33 | batbot | Zootfizzle: @ [string "soonCalc = function(s) local start,_,v=s:fi..."]:1: Not soon at all! |
| 08:00.41 | Shirik | the ? makes it not soon :P |
| 08:00.50 | Fisker- | --> soonCalc("You have awakened me too soon"); |
| 08:00.51 | batbot | Fisker-: > 1095 |
| 08:00.57 | Zootfizzle | Oh, sorry, I'm just an ignorant user |
| 08:00.59 | Zootfizzle | I used it wrong |
| 08:01.03 | Shirik | no |
| 08:01.05 | Fisker- | --> soonCalc("YOUR MOM CAME soon"); |
| 08:01.06 | batbot | Fisker-: > 1095 |
| 08:01.06 | Shirik | it gave you the right answer |
| 08:01.08 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 08:01.09 | Zootfizzle | bows before Shirik |
| 08:01.10 | Shirik | you weren't even sure it was soon! |
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| 08:01.20 | End | --> soonCalc("not soon") |
| 08:01.21 | batbot | End: > 1095 |
| 08:01.22 | Zootfizzle | I just wasn't sure how soon it was yet |
| 08:01.33 | Fisker- | --> soonCalc("Why so soon"); |
| 08:01.33 | Zootfizzle | That's why I needed a soonCalc |
| 08:01.34 | batbot | Fisker-: > 1095 |
| 08:01.35 | Zootfizzle | Jeeze |
| 08:01.37 | Wobin | --> soonCalc("soonish") |
| 08:01.38 | batbot | Wobin: @ [string "soonCalc = function(s) local start,_,v=s:fi..."]:1: Not soon at all! |
| 08:01.43 | End | Zootfizzle: how soon? |
| 08:01.43 | msou| | Any direct link guys for titanbar addon? |
| 08:02.04 | Fisker- | ugh |
| 08:02.04 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8092-TitanPanel.html |
| 08:02.05 | Fisker- | titanbar |
| 08:02.08 | Fisker- | or panel |
| 08:02.09 | Fisker- | fu |
| 08:02.13 | NeoTron | man what I really like with the worldoflogs guys is that they actually respond to the forums and such. |
| 08:02.21 | End | NeoTron: wtf |
| 08:02.21 | msou| | Cairenn: Much thanks |
| 08:02.22 | Fisker- | i'd rather play russian roulette with a pistol |
| 08:02.26 | End | that's just wrong! |
| 08:02.35 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Anyway, tomorrow I will begin work again |
| 08:02.43 | NeoTron | and you know, fix bugs within days instead of being gone for 2 months w/o comments :P |
| 08:02.47 | Zootfizzle | End: Very^(10 <= n >= 20) soon |
| 08:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: meh, i'm just giving you shit :) |
| 08:02.58 | Arrowmaster | somebody correct me if im wrong http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137080965&sid=1&pageNo=8 |
| 08:04.00 | Cairenn | you're correct in so far as our (WoWI's) info |
| 08:04.14 | Cairenn | I think you are correct on Curse's as well, but not positive |
| 08:04.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah im perty sure Curse Network is just like ZAM but a lot smaller scale |
| 08:04.52 | Cairenn | nod |
| 08:04.56 | Fisker- | curse is oooooooooooold |
| 08:05.16 | Arrowmaster | with curse being the single largest part of the network so it is the network |
| 08:05.48 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, you're Tokrim? |
| 08:05.49 | krka | Zootfizzle: i think your <= => are weird |
| 08:05.55 | krka | did you mean 10 <= n <= 20 ? |
| 08:05.58 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: see the sig? |
| 08:06.07 | Shirik | I am very disappointed in you |
| 08:06.12 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 08:06.16 | Shirik | you are a warlock |
| 08:06.20 | Arrowmaster | yes i am |
| 08:06.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:06.28 | Arrowmaster | and no i dont pvp |
| 08:06.28 | Fisker- | i lol'd at the raging paladin pulling DRM into the debate though |
| 08:06.30 | Cairenn | hugs her wonderful geeks |
| 08:06.33 | Fisker- | "LOL I R FREEDOM FIGHTAR" |
| 08:06.41 | Cairenn | have I mentioned lately that I love you guys? |
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| 08:06.44 | Shirik | pokes Cairenn |
| 08:06.46 | Shirik | you are a geek too |
| 08:06.50 | Shirik | just a lovable geek |
| 08:06.50 | Arrowmaster | i have 0 arena games played since 3.0 |
| 08:06.52 | End | Cairenn: I'm not wonderful |
| 08:06.55 | Cairenn | not denying it :) |
| 08:07.08 | Cairenn | (that I'm a geek too) |
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| 08:07.57 | Shirik | and since when do you own me? |
| 08:08.03 | End | she owns me |
| 08:08.04 | Shirik | not that I'm objecting |
| 08:08.07 | End | but I'm not wonderful |
| 08:08.10 | Shirik | but I missed that memo |
| 08:08.19 | Fisker- | i just wanted access to the US forums :( |
| 08:08.36 | Wobin | hm, I should probably post under this this nick |
| 08:08.40 | Wobin | rather than my default one |
| 08:08.47 | krka | why would property get memos? |
| 08:08.53 | msou| | Fisker-: you play on EU realms? |
| 08:08.53 | Zootfizzle | krka: I'm tired, sorry |
| 08:09.03 | krka | apology accepted! |
| 08:09.04 | Zootfizzle | resigns his commission |
| 08:09.08 | Cairenn | I don't, any more so than I "own" my family, but they are still "my family" and you guys are "my wonderful geeks" |
| 08:09.15 | Fisker- | yeah msou| :( |
| 08:09.18 | End | designs Zootfizzle's commission |
| 08:09.37 | msou| | Fisker-: I find it strange that most EU players have "blehname Jenkins" |
| 08:09.41 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137080965&sid=1&pageNo=1#10 <- :( |
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| 08:09.49 | msou| | all of them want to boost too |
| 08:10.00 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: how tired? |
| 08:10.49 | msou| | Fisker-: yesterday one dude offered me 3 gold if I just heal in uldaman I think... I said I'll help you without the 3G once he's done I asked him to help me with one quest near by he said "you need a group for that" |
| 08:11.12 | Etanol | msou|: what makes you think that most eu players are using the jenkins title? |
| 08:11.21 | Fisker- | hurrr msou| :3 |
| 08:11.43 | msou| | most of my friends are americans and play on a US realms. when I asked blozzard to exchange my keys to US they gave me a lecture on why it's not a good idea |
| 08:11.50 | Etanol | I prefer my undying title most of the time |
| 08:11.55 | Etanol | do you have undying? |
| 08:11.57 | msou| | Etanol: go to orgimmar and see |
| 08:12.14 | msou| | if you play on EU/kazzak |
| 08:12.29 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: Very tired |
| 08:12.38 | Shirik | hugs the Zootfizzle |
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| 08:12.56 | Etanol | well, most good people hang around battlemasters in orgrimmar, or just in dalaran |
| 08:13.03 | Etanol | so dont judje from the dueling area |
| 08:13.15 | msou| | heh |
| 08:13.19 | Shirik | Zootfizzle should get some sleep |
| 08:13.19 | Etanol | eu has the best pvp AND pve guilds |
| 08:13.24 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: tired enough i can make your brain explode with some of my old convoluted code for doing silly stuff i shouldnt be attempting? |
| 08:13.39 | krka | not to mention the eve guilds! |
| 08:13.44 | Zootfizzle | Heh, sure :D |
| 08:13.46 | msou| | Yes you're right, I am wrong they don't have jenkins on their name tags |
| 08:13.59 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: you really want to try this? |
| 08:14.20 | Etanol | maybe there's alot of people that do |
| 08:14.28 | Etanol | but none that I know of |
| 08:14.31 | msou| | for the record, I don't give a damn if you're the best or worse.. I play to explore and have fun :) |
| 08:14.34 | Zootfizzle | Am I obligated to pay for a subscription? :P |
| 08:14.45 | Aqua | ok i'm tired and i'm overlooking this i guess, but in which file does the wowinterface handle the opening closing of the bags and how their anchored? |
| 08:14.56 | Zootfizzle | pokes Arrowmaster |
| 08:15.01 | Shirik | goes to sleep |
| 08:15.01 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:15.03 | Zootfizzle | Just link it :P |
| 08:15.12 | Arrowmaster | http://paste.wowace.com/xhywu19rg78e4d06/ |
| 08:15.19 | Arrowmaster | wrap your brain around that |
| 08:15.33 | Arrowmaster | and tell me if you thinks thats something nobody should ever try |
| 08:15.59 | Etanol | what does getfenv(0) return in an addon? |
| 08:16.03 | Shirik|zZz | _G |
| 08:16.08 | Shirik|zZz | (Sorta) |
| 08:16.13 | Shirik|zZz | (is the easiest way to explain it) |
| 08:16.15 | Etanol | ??? |
| 08:16.17 | Arrowmaster | _G but its protected from some fuckwad setting _G._G |
| 08:16.19 | Shirik|zZz | the global table |
| 08:16.31 | End | see |
| 08:16.34 | End | the ui is like a soup |
| 08:16.41 | Shirik|zZz | Arrowmaster: It's also correct after a setfenv(0) |
| 08:16.52 | End | _G is the soup bowl! |
| 08:16.59 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: im crazy right? |
| 08:17.15 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: I dunno that I would describe it as something nobody should ever try |
| 08:17.18 | Aqua | anyone, maybe sort of? |
| 08:17.24 | Etanol | aha, so you replace the combatlog functions build into wow? |
| 08:17.28 | Zootfizzle | But you are crazy :) |
| 08:17.34 | Etanol | s/build/built/ |
| 08:17.49 | Zootfizzle | It's a clever way to do what you want |
| 08:18.00 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: and you know what, i poked slouken and you a few times to fix it so i could do that simpler |
| 08:18.20 | Shirik|zZz | Don't call it clever! |
| 08:18.24 | Shirik|zZz | You should degrade him |
| 08:18.25 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: oh yeah changing ChatFrame2 used to taint the ui, not sure if it still does, i found that out the hard way |
| 08:18.37 | Fisker- | you should make combat log events unique btw |
| 08:18.42 | Fisker- | in the combat log |
| 08:19.28 | Zootfizzle | should probably do many things and hopefully will get to them all Soon (tm) |
| 08:19.48 | Etanol | ~karma fisker- |
| 08:19.48 | purl | fisker- has karma of -8 |
| 08:19.52 | Etanol | hah |
| 08:19.55 | End | ~fisker--- |
| 08:20.15 | Arrowmaster | mumbles about the bastards making COMBATLOG local in Blizzard_CombatLog.lua |
| 08:20.44 | Fisker- | thanks End |
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| 08:20.51 | Fisker- | stop karma'ing me up jerks :( |
| 08:20.58 | Aqua | Anyone point me in the right direction of chaning the anchor points of the bags? |
| 08:21.08 | Zootfizzle | I'll look at adding a filter system like the regular messaging chat frames use |
| 08:21.37 | Fisker- | approaching nightmare difficulty now |
| 08:21.42 | Fisker- | keeping 3 alliance at bay from a herb |
| 08:21.53 | Shirik|zZz | karmizes Fisker- ++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 08:21.53 | Etanol | just herb it and leave |
| 08:22.04 | Fisker- | i'm not a herbalist |
| 08:22.11 | Etanol | hahahaha :D |
| 08:22.29 | Aqua | sighs |
| 08:22.36 | Etanol | Yesterday I got bored and started stalking a level 25 paladin |
| 08:22.43 | Etanol | I was REALLY clever |
| 08:22.58 | Etanol | stalket him through sw and if |
| 08:24.17 | msou| | I wanted to go to badlands and ended up in alliance territories |
| 08:24.51 | msou| | I read from wowwiki it is difficult for horde player to go there |
| 08:25.14 | Arrowmaster | i ended up in grim batol the first time i tried to get to badlands |
| 08:25.27 | Arrowmaster | not fun |
| 08:25.37 | Wobin | rofl |
| 08:25.40 | msou| | the place were you see human/horse like? |
| 08:25.45 | Wobin | Did Seerah seriously compare WowMatrix to the Lich King |
| 08:25.46 | Wobin | ? |
| 08:25.47 | msou| | I tried three times |
| 08:25.54 | Shirik|zZz | Wobin? |
| 08:26.04 | Arrowmaster | msou|: where are you starting from? |
| 08:26.05 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137080965&sid=1&pageNo=5 |
| 08:26.07 | Wobin | post 90 |
| 08:26.44 | msou| | Arrowmaster: cannot remember the place name.. south |
| 08:26.51 | msou| | you take the zepp from orgimmar |
| 08:26.57 | Shirik|zZz | Wobin: She was mentioning how the sites took a serious hammering at 3.0 |
| 08:27.14 | Arrowmaster | msou|: thats a long one |
| 08:27.27 | Wobin | Shirik|zZz: no, she really compared WowMatrix to the Lich King =P |
| 08:27.34 | Shirik|zZz | where? |
| 08:27.44 | msou| | Arrowmaster: indeed, not to mention the allies lvl 80 and yet they stalk you |
| 08:27.50 | Wobin | the last paragraph |
| 08:27.50 | Shirik|zZz | oh I see how you can make that interpretation I guess |
| 08:27.55 | Shirik|zZz | I don't think you should take it that literally |
| 08:28.07 | Wobin | pft, she wouldn't have mentioned the expansion then |
| 08:28.10 | msou| | Arrowmaster: I was pleased to find the FP once I went there |
| 08:28.13 | Fisker- | nah |
| 08:28.20 | Fisker- | Sunwell Plateau would've been better |
| 08:28.21 | Wobin | just something like "Patch Day" |
| 08:28.30 | Fisker- | yay |
| 08:28.34 | Arrowmaster | msou|: you have to go north from stv, through duskwood (avoid the large dragon in the center), into elwen forest, then east into redridge, then north into searing gorge, then into blackrock mountain, into searing gorge, then east to badlands |
| 08:28.35 | Fisker- | a horde came and herbed it |
| 08:28.38 | Fisker- | mission accomplished |
| 08:28.42 | Wobin | Or maybe she's referring to YogSaroth |
| 08:28.47 | Wobin | or whatever his name is |
| 08:28.54 | Fisker- | With WotLK we're not actually working together, rather we're killing eachother |
| 08:29.01 | Fisker- | but with TBC we worked together |
| 08:29.03 | Arrowmaster | msou|: some high level zones to go through, much lower level zones if you start from hammerfall |
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| 08:29.21 | Shirik|zZz | ok baibai |
| 08:29.24 | Shirik|zZz | tackles kd3 |
| 08:29.28 | Shirik|zZz | leaves |
| 08:29.50 | msou| | Arrowmaster: I see... will I set it as my home but someone told me to go to ternas ot ternis cause I'm a lvl 40 and I should go there instead |
| 08:29.53 | Cairenn | sweet dreams Shirik|zZz |
| 08:30.46 | Arrowmaster | msou|: atleast you have a mount though im guessing, lvl 40 is when you used to get mounts and not everybody could afford them on their first characters after hitting 40 |
| 08:30.47 | msou| | trying to find the name for it... it's a snowy place |
| 08:30.58 | Arrowmaster | snowy? |
| 08:31.02 | Arrowmaster | you mean sandy? |
| 08:31.11 | msou| | not snowy but hrm let me elaborate |
| 08:31.19 | Arrowmaster | tanaris, southeast corner of kalimdor |
| 08:31.26 | msou| | there is an instance there too the blue three headed dragon |
| 08:31.36 | msou| | yeah tanaris |
| 08:32.02 | msou| | and there is another mount I can use? cause I have the horse only |
| 08:32.11 | msou| | it's slower than others but better than walking =) |
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| 08:32.28 | Arrowmaster | warlock or pally? |
| 08:32.33 | msou| | paladin |
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| 08:32.47 | Arrowmaster | all mounts are slow until lvl 60 |
| 08:32.58 | msou| | oh I see |
| 08:33.18 | msou| | well, I just want lvl 55 to be truthful.. so I can start dk/human on a diff server probably |
| 08:33.25 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 08:33.44 | msou| | cause horde territories looks ugly sort of |
| 08:34.06 | msou| | I played with a rlf as night elf and she took me to stormwind.. I was amazed by the stuff I saw there |
| 08:36.04 | msou| | I like to explore and it was a bad idea to play on a PvP for that purpose |
| 08:36.17 | msou| | that's why I want to hit lvl 55 |
| 08:39.27 | zenzio | if Badlands is anything like how it used to be, you definitely don't want to go there as horde on a PvP server :-p |
| 08:39.50 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 08:39.53 | zenzio | I remember landing in Kargath with my orc, getting ganked at the flight point before I could do much |
| 08:40.10 | Arrowmaster | i was about to say i didnt remember it being that bad |
| 08:40.15 | Arrowmaster | but then i remember uldaman |
| 08:40.16 | msou| | my friend wanted me to play the game way back... I just didn't get into it |
| 08:40.21 | Etanol | ~Xinhuan |
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| 08:40.50 | msou| | Arrowmaster: I have to do that instance I think... I was happy to get plate armor but saddened when I had to repair it the first time :/ |
| 08:40.52 | Arrowmaster | i got ganked so much trying to do the quests outside uldaman i gave up and left the quests and the zone |
| 08:41.05 | msou| | hehe |
| 08:41.31 | msou| | I still haven't cleared my quest log.. guess I should do it today |
| 08:41.34 | Arrowmaster | but it was also a lot of non max levels that were killing me at the time since this was like 5 years ago |
| 08:42.22 | Wobin | damn you WoW forums for existing |
| 08:42.25 | msou| | I should have started back then, at least to play with my friend... he was showing me the zones by then |
| 08:42.33 | Wobin | they always seem to bring out the worst in humanity =P |
| 08:42.46 | Wobin | and make me want to respond |
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| 08:44.12 | Wobin | msou|: You should see Silvermoon City then if you like pretty |
| 08:46.43 | msou| | Wobin: was a great time yeah.. I was there |
| 08:46.49 | msou| | matter of fact I go there from time to time :) |
| 08:46.58 | Cairenn | Wobin: I hate them too |
| 08:47.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.15 | Cairenn | I should know better than to post anything beyond the original factual statements |
| 08:47.32 | Fisker- | looks at Wobin |
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| 08:48.47 | msou| | it's lunch time and yet they have a meeting at that particular room |
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| 08:55.27 | zenzio | uh oh |
| 08:55.32 | zenzio | Zootfizzle is now an array |
| 08:56.31 | Kalroth | Specifically, he's an entry in his own array |
| 08:56.42 | zenzio | most peculiar indeed |
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| 09:09.02 | Wobin | hm, WoWmatrix have my addons |
| 09:09.13 | Wobin | I wonder if I should bother asking them to remove them |
| 09:10.48 | Cairenn | yup |
| 09:10.56 | Cairenn | C&D or DMCA them |
| 09:10.58 | Cairenn | imo |
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| 09:13.31 | Ackis | ~seen tuller |
| 09:13.33 | purl | tuller <n=Tuller@c-71-197-12-179.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 8h 8m 30s ago, saying: 'nope :P'. |
| 09:14.31 | Ackis | ~botmail for tuller: http://paste.wowace.com/479/ |
| 09:15.34 | Wobin | Did Blizzard -change- their police for addons? |
| 09:15.43 | Wobin | policy |
| 09:16.00 | Wobin | It looks the same as they released it |
| 09:16.16 | Ackis | they're giving out free lube this time? :P /shrug |
| 09:16.50 | Cairenn | no, they just told us how long the grace period is |
| 09:17.32 | Fisker- | tackles Cairenn |
| 09:17.39 | Cairenn | huggles Fisker- |
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| 09:18.29 | Fisker- | :E |
| 09:18.36 | Wobin | PinkLucky aka WoWMatrix =P |
| 09:18.39 | Wobin | ergh |
| 09:18.41 | Wobin | Lucy |
| 09:18.54 | Wobin | yeah, that's a sign that I should stop reading and posting =P |
| 09:19.10 | Wobin | I can't even see what she's trying to argue about |
| 09:19.26 | Fisker- | where? |
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| 09:19.36 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137080965&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 09:19.37 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: the policy is now they make a post saying theyve listened to everybody and we have 60 days before they start the ass reamings without actually changing a thing or caring |
| 09:19.40 | Wobin | pretty much the entire thread |
| 09:19.43 | foxlit | Ackis: and that's in 3.1? |
| 09:19.57 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 09:20.12 | Wobin | which is why I'm confused as to why PinkLucy brought it up as a valid point to her argument |
| 09:20.48 | Wobin | Cause the last thing Curse/WoWI is going to do is to "back down" and allow WoWMatrix full reign again |
| 09:20.54 | Fisker- | gah |
| 09:20.58 | Fisker- | time to shut down curse client |
| 09:21.06 | Wobin | Oh, fair warning Fisker- The thread is painful |
| 09:21.13 | Fisker- | already seen it |
| 09:21.20 | Fisker- | just didn't see a pinklucy post there :o |
| 09:21.22 | Grum | i wonder when wowmatrix will fix itself :( |
| 09:21.31 | msou| | Wobin: why would you ask them to remove your addon and what addon? =) |
| 09:21.33 | Cairenn | Grum: hopefully never |
| 09:21.41 | Arrowmaster | is it too late to start a campaign of leaving adds broken for 3.1 just to spite users? |
| 09:21.45 | Wobin | msou|: I don't like their business practices |
| 09:21.50 | Wobin | And I think they smell |
| 09:21.58 | msou| | hehe |
| 09:22.04 | Wobin | MrPlow, ReverseEngineering are two I noticed |
| 09:22.06 | msou| | Arrowmaster: that's just mean |
| 09:22.12 | Arrowmaster | im mean |
| 09:22.15 | Wobin | probably all the ones I have on curse and wowi anyway |
| 09:22.23 | msou| | then you're free to do whatever you please |
| 09:22.24 | Grum | Cairenn: i'm betting on less than a week |
| 09:22.33 | msou| | Wobin what addon? |
| 09:22.39 | Wobin | Xparky |
| 09:23.09 | ajmitch | Arrowmaster: nah, having downloads broken is annoying enough |
| 09:23.38 | Wobin | oh and Gonffbar |
| 09:24.26 | Arrowmaster | im just miffed that ckknight and Shefki updated fubar, i was looking forward to it breaking |
| 09:24.28 | msou| | on nice |
| 09:24.34 | cncfanatics | \o/ good morning ! |
| 09:25.13 | Cairenn | hi cncfanatics |
| 09:25.35 | Arrowmaster | i guess you could equate what i was expecting to watching chickens running around with their heads cut off but somehow it seems much much more satisfying |
| 09:30.33 | Arrowmaster | i laughed at post #165 |
| 09:31.32 | Xinhuan | but technically Arrowmaster, you will get 25% of author rewards for fubar if it continues to work! |
| 09:31.37 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 09:31.46 | Arrowmaster | dont remind me |
| 09:32.17 | ZorbaTHut | I do agree with the point that the current breed of updaters is pretty much inferior to wowmatrix, though. it's kind of unfortunate that curse et al can't do better. |
| 09:32.27 | Arrowmaster | my desire for a new xbox vs my desire to make asshats suffer is a battle im torn between |
| 09:33.30 | Arrowmaster | have i mentioned how much the 20GB harddrives in launch 360s suck? |
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| 09:34.06 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, I'd be considering buying a new xbox360 if it wasn't for the fact that I'd lose some access to my downloadable content by doing so |
| 09:34.22 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: you can transfer it |
| 09:34.23 | ZorbaTHut | gj ms, way to make that drm work for ya |
| 09:34.53 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, as I understand it, I can't transfer it with 100% effectiveness - other people using my console wouldn't be able to play games that I've bought |
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| 09:35.00 | Arrowmaster | they added the ability to transfer licenses a while back but its on like a 1 year lockout |
| 09:35.12 | ZorbaTHut | ah, really? hmm, may do that once I start running low on space |
| 09:35.32 | ZorbaTHut | or, more likely, once the xbox720 shows up |
| 09:35.46 | Arrowmaster | they are suppost to automaticly do the transfer and ignore the lockout timer when doing warenty replacements though |
| 09:35.49 | zenzio | "Players with pets who attempt to use the Obedience Crystals in Naxxramas [...]" - I know it's nitpicking, but that just sounds fun |
| 09:36.43 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: but yeah when they first released the elite so many people bitched about that stupid drm design |
| 09:37.09 | Arrowmaster | since a lot bought elites and didnt have full access to everything after moving it |
| 09:37.17 | ZorbaTHut | the DRM is really quite dumb. I hope they come to their senses and get rid of it. It's increasingly obvious that DRM really, really does not help matters. |
| 09:37.59 | Arrowmaster | well not having a way to transfer it was dumb |
| 09:38.17 | Wobin | zenzio: eh? |
| 09:38.24 | Arrowmaster | but imho its better than not allowing others on the xbox to have free access to content purchased on it |
| 09:38.27 | Ackis | anyone here play battleforge? |
| 09:38.34 | zenzio | Wobin: (apparently) from the 3.1 patch notes |
| 09:38.47 | Wobin | what do you mean sounds like fun? |
| 09:39.03 | ZorbaTHut | the thing that still bugs me is that I can't get my original gamertag back |
| 09:39.05 | zenzio | if it was actual pets trying to use the crystals |
| 09:39.23 | ZorbaTHut | the credit card expired and I didn't care back then, and now apparently it's in a weird locked-out state where it's impossible to ever retrieve |
| 09:39.54 | Wobin | zenzio: oh =) |
| 09:40.03 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: there were reports about that recently, was it on a hotmail account that expired and got deleted? |
| 09:40.19 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, no, though I don't know what account it was on by now. it was years ago |
| 09:40.40 | ZorbaTHut | chances are good, but not perfect, that I've still got access to the account. but apparently that's not enough for 'em |
| 09:41.06 | Arrowmaster | was it an original xbox live account? |
| 09:41.16 | Arrowmaster | pre 360? |
| 09:41.20 | ZorbaTHut | yeah |
| 09:42.01 | Arrowmaster | so if you had access what would you do? turn it into a silver account, pay to have it renamed, then pay to have your current one renamed? |
| 09:42.10 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, yeah, I'd be willing to do that |
| 09:42.40 | Arrowmaster | honestly i probably would too just to have my name |
| 09:42.55 | ZorbaTHut | "ZorbaTHutt" just looks wrong :P |
| 09:43.09 | Arrowmaster | luckly ive had the gamertag Arrowmaster on XBL since the pre360 days |
| 09:43.22 | Wobin | PizZ(a)orbaTHutt |
| 09:43.28 | ZorbaTHut | if I'd known they would have locked it down forever, I would've kept paying |
| 09:43.31 | ZorbaTHut | but, no, no warning of such a thing |
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| 09:54.01 | Jamash | GAH I need to finish updating my addon and upload it before the patch rush hits |
| 09:54.33 | Jamash | I had figured 3.1 was going to be another week :-/ |
| 09:59.07 | ckknight | o hay guise, my wowmatrix is broken, can you fix it plz? kthx. |
| 10:01.45 | Cairenn | ckknight: lol |
| 10:02.16 | zenzio | Some rules can be bent... others broken. |
| 10:06.05 | JackBurton7676 | Is 3.1 out of beta? Has blizzard announced a release date? |
| 10:07.14 | Jamash | TODAY |
| 10:07.23 | foxlit | TOMORROW |
| 10:07.31 | foxlit | (and tomorrow?) |
| 10:07.31 | bleeter | SOON |
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| 10:07.42 | ckknight | (TM) |
| 10:07.52 | Jamash | tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day |
| 10:08.00 | bleeter | OMG CKKNIGHT ITS U PLS HALP ME WIT MY WOWMATRIX |
| 10:08.20 | ckknight | ALL MAH ADDONS R BROEK WIT TEH PATCH! |
| 10:08.41 | zenzio | u brokeded my decursive :( |
| 10:08.42 | bleeter | u bastards |
| 10:10.24 | bleeter | ckknight: wut patch?? |
| 10:10.26 | tlund | MY problem is that alot of 3.1 addons uploaded TODAY will break for me on my EU 3.0-server, since alot of authors dont include version-checks :) |
| 10:10.32 | ckknight | bleeter: lol wut |
| 10:10.45 | ckknight | tlund: don't play WoW for two days. |
| 10:10.45 | bleeter | ckknight: I SED WUT PATCH |
| 10:10.47 | zenzio | tlund: that's only a problem if you update your addons today |
| 10:10.48 | tlund | the solution to that is quite easy thou - dont update today, in EU :) |
| 10:10.48 | ckknight | problem solved. |
| 10:11.11 | bleeter | HALP IT HURTS WHEN I TYPE |
| 10:11.19 | tlund | ckknight: back in classic wow, we didnt raid on patchday. 80% of the guild could not get their (few) addons in order |
| 10:11.29 | tlund | ckknight: even when there WHERE working updates available. |
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| 10:12.08 | tlund | ckknight: can you explain this concept of "not playing" futher? i do not understand. |
| 10:12.25 | ckknight | tlund: I dunno, just something I've heard about once |
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| 10:12.40 | bleeter | tlund: it's that those times of the year you play diablo or starcraft 'coz wow's offline |
| 10:12.50 | tlund | bleeter: oooooh, yes. |
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| 10:12.59 | zenzio | "not playing" is easy tlund, it's when you watch the porn you downloaded overnight |
| 10:13.11 | tlund | bleeter: they moved my realm from one datacenter to another 3 years ago. 4 days of downtime. it was hell. :( |
| 10:13.27 | tlund | zenzio: heh. |
| 10:15.13 | Arrowmaster | tlund: back in classic wow, we didnt raid on patchday. 80% of the server could not login |
| 10:15.31 | zenzio | true |
| 10:15.38 | tlund | Arrowmaster: the trick was to not log out in IF the day before patch :) |
| 10:15.45 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: s/day/week/ |
| 10:15.56 | Arrowmaster | that had nothing to do with it |
| 10:16.08 | Arrowmaster | we were on a day one server |
| 10:16.34 | Arrowmaster | it was dead on patch days until they restarted it again |
| 10:16.36 | bleeter | so now I have my bnet account and my SC and D2 attached, when the hell do I stop having to put the freakin' discs in the drive? |
| 10:16.52 | bleeter | or did i already miss something |
| 10:16.54 | Jamash | ... I don't have to put discs in the drive |
| 10:17.02 | Jamash | are you at the latest patch? |
| 10:17.04 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: umm they already patched wc3 and sc to not need the discs |
| 10:17.09 | Jamash | and D2 |
| 10:17.10 | bleeter | oO |
| 10:17.14 | bleeter | wqut |
| 10:17.18 | Arrowmaster | wasnt aware of d2 |
| 10:17.18 | bleeter | shows you how long lolz |
| 10:17.45 | Jamash | click "OH EM GEE LOG INTO BATEL.NET" on the main screen yo |
| 10:18.11 | Jamash | or download the patches from the site |
| 10:31.45 | jnwhiteh | aesir: ping |
| 10:36.03 | Wobin | hm, what about WoWUS? |
| 10:36.20 | bleeter | wut |
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| 10:54.09 | smoke__ | is sct broke in 3.1? |
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| 11:13.11 | Maldivia | smoke__: you'll know in 7 hours or so |
| 11:14.44 | Wobin | oh ho, so the WoWMatrix 'donate' button goes direct to WoWMatrix? |
| 11:14.57 | Maldivia | but a quick guess would be no, I don't recall any changes that sct uses that would cause it to break, but you can always check to see if a 3.1 compatible version has been uploaded, or check later to see if a compatible version has been uploaded by then |
| 11:15.46 | Cairenn | Wobin: ? it does? |
| 11:15.54 | Wobin | That's what Kirov said |
| 11:16.22 | Maldivia | personally, I have no idea, never touched WoWMatrix, and have no intentions of doing it either :) |
| 11:16.37 | Cairenn | *goes looking* I got a bit behind on the threads since I was posting patch notes |
| 11:16.42 | bleeter | since when did wow send me my name in cleartext when i try to login? |
| 11:16.45 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22090 |
| 11:17.16 | bleeter | and |
| 11:17.31 | bleeter | someone give me a patch link already so I can bugger off and watch some telly |
| 11:17.44 | Maldivia | bleeter: using a battle.net account? |
| 11:18.06 | Wobin | Cairenn: well that's actually slightly decieving |
| 11:18.09 | Maldivia | bleeter: if so, when you log in, it sends you all wow accounts associated with it |
| 11:18.17 | Cairenn | okay, why the hell is it telling me "unable to validate game version." |
| 11:18.22 | Wobin | the 'donate' button isn't necessarily linked in any way to an addon |
| 11:18.33 | Maldivia | Cairenn: because the login servers are down? |
| 11:18.39 | Cairenn | I hope that's all |
| 11:19.02 | Cairenn | not that there was a problem with the final part-patch I downloaded |
| 11:19.06 | Maldivia | unable to validate game version errors aren't that uncommon on patch days |
| 11:19.22 | Maldivia | if you patch the client before the server is patched, you get that error |
| 11:19.23 | bleeter | Maldivia: but why my name, is all... and in cleartext. curious. |
| 11:19.38 | Maldivia | bleeter: your actual name, or the name of your wow account? |
| 11:19.53 | bleeter | my actual name |
| 11:19.54 | Wobin | Cairenn: also, the donate links donate correctly to the appropriate email |
| 11:20.00 | Cairenn | Wobin: good |
| 11:20.01 | Maldivia | bleeter: ok, that I hadn't noticed |
| 11:20.30 | bleeter | it sends a list of accounts, i send the account.. it sends me back my name and the selected account name |
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| 11:21.13 | Maldivia | ok, the name part is actually a bit puzzling... |
| 11:21.52 | Maldivia | no idea why the game should have any need for that, unless it's for support for some of the other games using the same battle.net.dll file (ie SC2, D3), that has a more "personal" greeting or something |
| 11:23.34 | bleeter | oh fer sure name on the website bling, just odd to see it in the login i guess hehe |
| 11:37.38 | zenzio | one thing I find a bit odd about devout christians is how they can say that god is everywhere, and yet they keep asking if people have found him |
| 11:41.43 | Jamash | if god is omnipresent he needs to start paying me rent |
| 11:42.01 | zenzio | I'm sure he would say that he was here first, and you're living on his world |
| 11:42.04 | Wobin | Or you do |
| 11:42.23 | Wobin | He has prior ownership =) |
| 11:42.40 | Jamash | absentee landlord imo |
| 11:42.49 | Wobin | You're still subletting from him though =) |
| 11:42.52 | Jamash | squatters rights! |
| 11:43.02 | zenzio | his laws > your laws |
| 11:43.10 | Wobin | well, if he was there all the time, you can't claim squatters rights |
| 11:43.13 | Jamash | I AM THE LAWGIVER |
| 11:43.34 | zenzio | you're a paladin, aren't you? |
| 11:43.43 | zenzio | Lawlbringer lulz |
| 11:43.45 | Jamash | no, but I play one on TV |
| 11:43.49 | bleeter | Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. |
| 11:44.04 | zenzio | clearly Jamash is being repressed |
| 11:45.17 | JackBurton7676 | where do i place the patches i downloaded? the root wow directory or one of the subdirs |
| 11:45.47 | Jamash | wow patches or addon updates? |
| 11:45.54 | bleeter | Wobin: did you hear the ABC interview with the chaplin of the aussie troops in afganistan... 'yeah for easter mate we'll be watching passion of the christ followed by life of brian' |
| 11:46.13 | zenzio | haha |
| 11:46.28 | Wobin | hehe =) |
| 11:48.42 | Jamash | :-O |
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| 11:50.47 | JackBurton7676 | jamash wow patches |
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| 11:51.17 | Jamash | where did you download them from? |
| 11:52.42 | JackBurton7676 | artic patch |
| 11:52.51 | JackBurton7676 | for the second piece |
| 11:53.06 | JackBurton7676 | and my isp gave me part1 |
| 11:53.55 | Jamash | they go in your wow directory, yeah |
| 11:54.18 | JackBurton7676 | ok |
| 11:54.21 | Jamash | actually hmm |
| 11:54.33 | Jamash | mine are in World of Warcraft\Patches\WoW-3.0.9-to-3.1.0-enUS-Win-patch |
| 11:55.38 | JackBurton7676 | ok thats where I'll put them. thanks |
| 11:58.06 | Wobin | this site: http://www.snackordie.com/ is making want baked goods something serious =( |
| 12:03.34 | Maldivia | on Vista, the patches are in something like: C:\Users\Public\Public Documents\Blizzard Entertainment\World of Warcraft\ |
| 12:03.59 | Aelobin | how long until us realms come back up? |
| 12:04.06 | Maldivia | 6 hours |
| 12:04.10 | Aelobin | cool |
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| 12:05.38 | Trela_ | makes tea, looks at what day it is, doubles mixture. |
| 12:06.11 | ckknight | hehe |
| 12:06.21 | ckknight | Trela_: maybe Irish up your tea? |
| 12:07.14 | airtonix | http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/yo_dawg_function.jpg |
| 12:07.23 | ckknight | lulz |
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| 12:07.53 | Lothaer | sup guys anyone able to download the patch yet? |
| 12:08.03 | ckknight | f º g |
| 12:08.05 | ckknight | amirite? |
| 12:08.11 | ckknight | Lothaer: only the partials |
| 12:08.20 | Jamash | partial derivatives? |
| 12:08.27 | ckknight | â? |
| 12:08.44 | Lothaer | isnt 3.1 going live tonight? |
| 12:08.54 | Jamash | depends on where you live |
| 12:08.58 | Trela_ | ckknight: I am Irish enough already. :P |
| 12:08.59 | Lothaer | Aus |
| 12:08.59 | ckknight | in America |
| 12:09.01 | ckknight | fuck yea |
| 12:09.08 | ckknight | Trela_: ;-) |
| 12:09.16 | Jamash | it's 5am in California so it's going live this morning here |
| 12:09.30 | Trela_ | 8:09AM here. @.@ |
| 12:09.32 | Jamash | wait, it's 5am? damn I need to upload this addon and get to bed |
| 12:09.43 | Lothaer | 9:39pm here |
| 12:10.00 | Lothaer | launcher says that data for the next patch is available but it wont download >< |
| 12:10.14 | Jamash | try running the background downloader app manually |
| 12:10.19 | Lothaer | i did |
| 12:10.28 | Jamash | well then the final patch data isn't up yet |
| 12:10.33 | Lothaer | its only downloading what i got already :D |
| 12:10.55 | Lothaer | sigh, looks like ill have to wait |
| 12:12.11 | ilovemrdoe | a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 12:13.35 | Cairenn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 12:14.00 | Cairenn | I downloaded the final part from rapidshare |
| 12:14.12 | Cairenn | I'm all patched and ready to go |
| 12:15.15 | ckknight | I'm not :( |
| 12:15.23 | ckknight | I feel injustice as a machead |
| 12:15.29 | Maldivia | I'm still at work, so... |
| 12:15.35 | Maldivia | how big is the final piece? |
| 12:15.56 | Trela_ | Damn, 1.6mbs download speed on the patch. |
| 12:15.57 | Lothaer | 27486KB |
| 12:17.31 | Trela_ | Is this update really over 1gb? |
| 12:17.44 | Maldivia | nope |
| 12:17.48 | Maldivia | but around 800mb |
| 12:17.55 | Jamash | 740MB to 880MB |
| 12:18.05 | Lothaer | depending on location |
| 12:18.26 | Lothaer | still a big patch non the less though |
| 12:18.35 | Jamash | yep |
| 12:18.44 | Jamash | all that ulduarness |
| 12:19.05 | Lothaer | lol and i still hacnt completed 10man naxx or Maly yet /cry |
| 12:19.15 | Maldivia | ulduar, argent tournament, new models etc |
| 12:19.20 | Trela_ | Must be some thing weird with these torrents. |
| 12:19.21 | Lothaer | Duel Spec |
| 12:19.24 | Lothaer | Gear Manager |
| 12:19.43 | Lothaer | im just downloading the final part from Rapid Share |
| 12:19.46 | Maldivia | well, the dual spec doesn't take up any noticable space |
| 12:19.54 | Lothaer | true |
| 12:20.07 | Aelobin | how ocome it says you can download the final part already 0.o (for eu i mean) |
| 12:20.21 | Maldivia | and gear manager isn't included (or did they include it afterall?) |
| 12:20.33 | Lothaer | o dont forget the Mount Tuners and the all new DDR Arena battles LOL!!! |
| 12:20.45 | Maldivia | because the patch files for EU has been made, even though the servers hasnt been patched |
| 12:20.47 | Lothaer | im not eu |
| 12:20.57 | Wobin | http://ackanime.deviantart.com/art/Lol-Lore-117214244 |
| 12:24.30 | Aelobin | hugs Cairenn. |
| 12:24.31 | Maldivia | hmm, this build is sounding as if it's destroying the harddrive... |
| 12:24.45 | Aelobin | i was having trouble getting my blizzdownloader to work, and now its going at 200kb/s 0_0 |
| 12:24.49 | Lothaer | im intalling it now |
| 12:24.55 | Aelobin | like, the patch mirror thing :p |
| 12:24.56 | Lothaer | installing* |
| 12:25.03 | mikma | wobin: :D |
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| 12:27.11 | Cairenn | hugs Aelobin |
| 12:27.30 | Maldivia | morning Adys |
| 12:27.37 | Aelobin | :) ty because i wont have to wait all day tomorrow whilst trying to download the patch xD |
| 12:27.39 | Adys | morning |
| 12:28.05 | Maldivia | Aelobin: eu? if so, dont patch until tomorrow, if you want to play today := |
| 12:28.08 | Jamash | I think it's funny that people act as if warcraft lore was totally consistent BUT THEN it got all weird with BC |
| 12:28.23 | Aelobin | Maldivia: aye i kinda guessed :) just downloading it ready though |
| 12:29.47 | Maldivia | looks at the all knowing Cairenn - they pulled the gear manager for 3.1.0, right ? |
| 12:29.54 | ckknight | yes, Maldivia |
| 12:29.57 | Cairenn | iirc, yes |
| 12:29.59 | ckknight | it'll be in a later patch |
| 12:30.02 | Wobin | FF is so much faster =\ |
| 12:30.07 | ckknight | probably still 3.1.x, imo |
| 12:30.10 | mikma | oh lookie lookie. they confirmed the 3.1.0 |
| 12:30.22 | Maldivia | yeah, I'm expecting it to be in 3.1.2 or so |
| 12:30.46 | Jamash | 3.1.4.1.5.9 |
| 12:30.57 | Aelobin | xD |
| 12:31.13 | Maldivia | Jamash: well, there's only been one set of live patches that has had the same version number |
| 12:31.18 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 31000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Upload your 3.1 compatible mods |
| 12:31.58 | Maldivia | (diffent build numbers though) |
| 12:32.15 | Adys | theres been a patch that had same build number |
| 12:32.16 | Adys | iirc |
| 12:32.18 | Trela_ | Cairenn: 30100 or 31000? |
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| 12:32.45 | Wobin | patchypatchy |
| 12:32.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, is it that day already? |
| 12:32.57 | Maldivia | 30100 :) |
| 12:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. Good to know, thanks guys! |
| 12:33.19 | zenzio | Cairenn is already at 3.10, she's got contacts |
| 12:34.05 | aesir | jnwhiteh: The double-post was inadvertent. I tried to edit it out but wasn't permitted. |
| 12:34.30 | Maldivia | well, I knew they were already looking at 3.2... but 3.10... either they're going to speed up the patching or we won't see then next expansion for a long time :) |
| 12:34.53 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Upload your 3.1 compatible mods |
| 12:34.56 | Adys | "CGI-generated images" |
| 12:34.56 | Adys | =/ |
| 12:35.06 | Cairenn | sorry, wrong placement of the "1" |
| 12:35.15 | zenzio | Adys: that's even worse than the "EULA agreement" |
| 12:35.37 | ckknight | Automated ATM Machine. |
| 12:35.38 | zenzio | Adys: unless they are talking about Common Gateway Interface images |
| 12:35.42 | krka | RAM memory |
| 12:36.00 | Maldivia | Adys: huh ? |
| 12:36.05 | ckknight | Personal PIN Number |
| 12:36.16 | Adys | Maldivia: some documentary |
| 12:36.20 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 12:37.42 | Maldivia | ckknight: can't say I've heard personal PIN number, but PIN number I've heard a lot |
| 12:37.43 | krka | RAS syndrome is funny! |
| 12:38.29 | theorbtwo | remote access service syndrome? It certianly sounds funny! |
| 12:38.44 | krka | Redundant Acronym Syndrome |
| 12:39.01 | Lopeppeppy | PINE. |
| 12:39.10 | zenzio | pines for Lopeppeppy |
| 12:39.10 | Grum | PHP |
| 12:39.20 | Grum | oh sorry .. |
| 12:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | I've always loved PINE as an acronym. |
| 12:39.37 | Adys | Profound Hate of PHP |
| 12:39.48 | theorbtwo | It is interesting how language seems to evolve in the direction of forcing acronyms to be adjectives, but people keep creating new ones that are nouns. |
| 12:40.58 | krka | i hate it when people noun verbs |
| 12:41.07 | Adys | ~rimshot |
| 12:41.08 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 12:43.00 | Wobin | heh |
| 12:43.08 | Wobin | You can no longer fail when Mining, Herbing and Skinning |
| 12:44.13 | Maldivia | that reminds me of a comic... let me see if I can find it |
| 12:44.22 | Wobin | Is it the DK one? |
| 12:44.33 | Wobin | oh wait, the one with the newbie tauren =) |
| 12:45.02 | Maldivia | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#240 |
| 12:46.04 | Maldivia | yeah, the newbie tauren - I think its' really cute :) |
| 12:47.01 | Lopeppeppy | Aww |
| 12:48.12 | mikma | anyone actually familiar with the UIDropDownMenu? What's the dropdown.value? :I |
| 12:48.21 | Adys | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/images/ss251.jpg is best |
| 12:49.41 | Maldivia | mikma: just a value associated with that selection, there's a method to select by value just as there's one to select by index |
| 12:50.03 | JackBurton7676 | thanks for sharing those |
| 12:50.13 | mikma | maldivia: basicly, useless ^^ |
| 12:50.35 | Maldivia | Adys: I also like http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/images/ss259.jpg :) |
| 12:50.51 | mikma | apparently doing a dropdown for LDB is dead simple |
| 12:51.04 | Adys | Maldivia: yeah i remember |
| 12:51.11 | Adys | saw a troll rogue with over 10 debuffs |
| 12:51.54 | Maldivia | mikma: the Blizzard drop down menu is one of those things, that if you're lucky it works, the rest of the time it's really fubar |
| 12:52.20 | Lothaer | lol |
| 12:53.32 | Jamash | I'm trying to set up cia.vc to work with my WoWI project and I've followed the directions at http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=svn but the bot doesn't seem to be picking up changes to the repository |
| 12:53.41 | Maldivia | mikma: also the fact that all dropdowns share the same global menu, can cause a lot of problems if you have multiple dropdowns that you want to update at the same time |
| 12:56.33 | mikma | maldivia: http://mikma.pastey.net/112270 ^^ |
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| 13:04.10 | zenzio | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#228 :-o |
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| 13:04.36 | Adys | zenzio: that is awesome in many senses |
| 13:04.47 | Adys | ways too |
| 13:04.47 | zenzio | the poor murloc's eyes |
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| 13:06.33 | Trela_ | Is Pledgie any good for the donation stuff? |
| 13:06.54 | Lopeppeppy | I know a few authors are using it, Trela_. |
| 13:07.44 | Trela_ | Oh, the FAQ says it uses PayPal. |
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| 13:11.49 | |Jelly| | Wow. No Cairenn post about survival guides to calm the Chicken Littles on the forums? :P |
| 13:12.02 | Cairenn | not yet, should though |
| 13:12.31 | mikma | MAYDAYYYY! |
| 13:14.14 | Maldivia | it's April, not May... :P |
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| 13:14.45 | Lopeppeppy | You're right Jelly, I'll try to keep a better eye on the forums today. Good call. |
| 13:15.29 | nevcairiel | Its not that big of breakage on the addon side this time around, though |
| 13:15.44 | Cairenn | any idea of a "stress relief" thread? |
| 13:15.58 | mikma | oh i know! moment |
| 13:16.04 | |Jelly| | "Hey everyone, don't be stupid -- the sky is not falling." |
| 13:16.43 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkksxxDK4Ik |
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| 13:18.14 | |Jelly| | I thought DBM had at the very least a workable version for Ulduar? |
| 13:18.15 | Wobin | I like Bludlemon's comics =) |
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| 13:21.59 | Maldivia | |Jelly|: *cough* l2p... :) |
| 13:26.30 | |Jelly| | Don't you mean L2Get10to25otherpeoplewhoaren'thandicapped? :P |
| 13:26.58 | nevcairiel | BigWigs has pretty much working bossmods for Ulduar |
| 13:27.31 | Cairenn | hopes nevcairiel is going to update on WoWI soon too :( |
| 13:27.37 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.43 | JackBurton7676 | .. |
| 13:27.43 | nevcairiel | I'm still writing stupid changelogs |
| 13:27.49 | nevcairiel | its easier to just hit the "tag" button |
| 13:28.00 | Cairenn | guess I'll forgive you then *grin* |
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| 13:33.51 | jnwhiteh | aesir: that's fine |
| 13:33.55 | jnwhiteh | I'm trying to figure out what the problem is |
| 13:34.25 | jnwhiteh | aesir: if you can provide more information that would help |
| 13:34.46 | aesir | I posted a step-by-step, did you see that? Or did you have some specific bit of info you need? |
| 13:35.33 | mikma | jnwhiteh: what are you doing here? |
| 13:37.04 | jnwhiteh | mikma: stopping in |
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| 13:37.14 | jnwhiteh | aesir: i see this now, looking |
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| 13:37.30 | mikma | jnwhiteh: noes! go away! ;) |
| 13:37.37 | aesir | Hush you! |
| 13:37.54 | aesir | He's trying to save the world's last remaining blp viewer/converter. |
| 13:37.58 | jnwhiteh | aesir: the image is there, i have no idea why you are having an issue saving it |
| 13:38.00 | jnwhiteh | aesir: its not the last |
| 13:38.01 | jnwhiteh | far from it |
| 13:38.08 | jnwhiteh | and it still works |
| 13:38.11 | jnwhiteh | so there is nothing to save |
| 13:38.14 | jnwhiteh | i know it may not be YOUR issue |
| 13:38.17 | jnwhiteh | but its your issue :P |
| 13:38.20 | jnwhiteh | not one with the website |
| 13:38.59 | foxlit | moo? |
| 13:39.00 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 13:39.06 | jnwhiteh | aesir: just do file -> save as |
| 13:39.08 | jnwhiteh | its an image |
| 13:39.12 | jnwhiteh | should be directly save-able. |
| 13:39.21 | aesir | I'll try that now |
| 13:40.21 | aesir | oh and when you say that it's not the last... please let me know a specific utility name/location. |
| 13:40.34 | foxlit | Besides, <suggestion ridonculous="true">get a mac</suggestion><plug shameless="true">so you can use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9011-BLPLook.html </plug> |
| 13:41.21 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: that doesn't help when you need to alter the image |
| 13:41.28 | jnwhiteh | aesir: the conversion is a lua script |
| 13:41.32 | jnwhiteh | and there are php versions as well |
| 13:41.33 | foxlit | "viewer/converter." |
| 13:41.33 | jnwhiteh | among others |
| 13:41.47 | aesir | hold on... I broke sputnik because I mistakenly fed it a PNG. |
| 13:41.54 | foxlit | There's also a pure C version. |
| 13:41.56 | foxlit | Mwhahaha! |
| 13:41.59 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: how do you convert with it? |
| 13:42.06 | jnwhiteh | aesir: thats fine, just reload and go again |
| 13:42.09 | jnwhiteh | you didn't break anything |
| 13:42.21 | foxlit | Well, I'm sure you could dump the gl-generated image in some fashion. |
| 13:42.34 | foxlit | But I was mainly pointing at the viewer part :) |
| 13:42.56 | aesir | And feeding it the BLP then doing File | Save Page As wants to save a file named (PNG Image, 256x256 pixels).png, but it's still just page source. |
| 13:43.16 | jnwhiteh | then your browser is doing something very very odd =/ |
| 13:43.37 | foxlit | Try http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php |
| 13:43.48 | aesir | I'm sure of it. So let's try this from a different direction. Can any other Firefox 3.08 users on XP successfully use the blp2png util? |
| 13:44.30 | Maldivia | aesir: can't you rightclick and select save as? |
| 13:44.55 | aesir | That's the first thing I tried. And it doesn't work with that site. So jnwhiteh suggested saving the whole page. |
| 13:44.56 | jnwhiteh | it appears that his browser is re-sending the request without the POST data |
| 13:44.58 | jnwhiteh | when it tries to save it |
| 13:45.02 | jnwhiteh | which makes absolutely no sense |
| 13:45.07 | jnwhiteh | aesir: its not a page, its an image |
| 13:45.13 | jnwhiteh | hence why file -> save as should show it as a PNG and just save it |
| 13:45.19 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a BLP they can toss up somewhere |
| 13:45.19 | aesir | I agree! |
| 13:45.21 | jnwhiteh | so I cn test this? |
| 13:45.23 | jnwhiteh | i dont have my art |
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| 13:47.49 | aesir | I'm using .blps from SpartanUI. Can you download an addon or are you on some tin can + wire connection in the Heart of the Jungle someplace on walk-about? |
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| 13:48.17 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 13:48.20 | Lunessa | station. |
| 13:48.43 | jnwhiteh | aesir: i can, but someone posting a single blp is easier for me |
| 13:48.58 | jnwhiteh | bt ive got one |
| 13:49.05 | Lunessa | They're doing construction/repairs on my buildings roof and they started at 7am - cutting my sleep schedule off by 3 hours. |
| 13:49.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wtf. I'm sorry, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 13:49.31 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: I can get you one |
| 13:49.41 | jnwhiteh | got one, thanks |
| 13:49.56 | jnwhiteh | aesir: did you use foxlit's page |
| 13:49.58 | jnwhiteh | that shoudl work jus tfine too |
| 13:50.28 | Lunessa | Anyone already mirroring the patch? |
| 13:50.31 | aesir | That returns a lot of errors on two different BLP files (ones that I didn't make, and which display an image on your site, jnw) |
| 13:50.47 | Maldivia | Lunessa: try a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 13:51.03 | foxlit | It's not quite the same script. |
| 13:51.05 | jnwhiteh | aesir: i'm able to reproduce this |
| 13:51.16 | jnwhiteh | give me a moment to try and figure it out |
| 13:51.17 | aesir | jnwhiteh: You said 'POST' data, but that's beyond me. What is the site expecting from my browser? |
| 13:51.18 | foxlit | Which would explain the errors. Although I'm slightly curious as to what gives. |
| 13:51.27 | jnwhiteh | aesir: it doesn't matter, i'll work on it |
| 13:52.04 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: sending no-cache http header or something ? |
| 13:52.05 | aesir | I've enabled scripts and cookies for your domain. (as I just did for digifort). Does it require a referrer? |
| 13:52.19 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: i'm not really sure what the issue is |
| 13:52.19 | foxlit | aesir: That's not it |
| 13:52.25 | jnwhiteh | i think its only firefox |
| 13:52.31 | jnwhiteh | but i'm checking opera and safari |
| 13:52.33 | jnwhiteh | fuck ie :P |
| 13:52.34 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Nice site. Thanks. |
| 13:52.42 | foxlit | The theory goes that when you first submit your request, your browser sends the BLP file to convert. |
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| 13:52.57 | foxlit | But when you select save as, it for some reason sends the same request again, without the BLP file. |
| 13:53.10 | foxlit | So the converter goes "huh, what do you want?!" and you get nothing. |
| 13:53.12 | Maldivia | yeah, got that - which puzzles me |
| 13:53.57 | Maldivia | hence the question about no-cache http header, so the browser is forced to request again |
| 13:54.27 | jnwhiteh | i am not sending it as far as i know |
| 13:54.36 | foxlit | I'm just surprised that clad doesn't just store the files on disk temporarily and redirect. |
| 13:55.02 | jnwhiteh | i had space issues |
| 13:55.08 | jnwhiteh | so i couldn't do that |
| 13:55.13 | foxlit | Really? :) |
| 13:55.14 | jnwhiteh | i wont have that on the next version |
| 13:55.17 | jnwhiteh | but this host was.. a bitch |
| 13:55.20 | jnwhiteh | they're limiting my inodes |
| 13:55.23 | jnwhiteh | which is.. fucked. |
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| 13:55.49 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: That is fucked. |
| 13:55.59 | foxlit | clearly the answer it to store them in mysql! |
| 13:56.04 | jnwhiteh | well i dont use them anymore |
| 13:56.11 | aesir | fyi, digifort didn't play nice with my FF. And it very nearly took my workstation down. That's awesomely interesting. |
| 13:56.16 | jnwhiteh | just need to get the changes to the new site up |
| 13:56.18 | Lunessa | Gift of the Naaru (Draenei Racial): The heal has been changed to an instant-cast heal-over-time. - um, yay? |
| 13:56.39 | Maldivia | Lunessa: yeah, instant cast is nice :) |
| 13:56.50 | foxlit | aesir: I think your FF is suicidal |
| 13:57.01 | alestane | Feh, I apparently haven't figured out to set up forwarding properly with this new router. It keeps dropping connections with the rest of the swarm as soon as they pop up. |
| 13:57.03 | aesir | I think it's the current release version. |
| 13:57.14 | foxlit | There's not enough content on those pages to choke IE4, let alone any modern browser :) |
| 13:57.16 | Lunessa | Yeah. Seeing as I have no less than 3 draenei toons, it'll be handy. |
| 13:57.16 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I couldn't get my new wireless router to work at all last night. :( |
| 13:57.47 | alestane | Did it at least work with the desktop? |
| 13:57.52 | Lopeppeppy | I love it as an extra heal. |
| 13:58.06 | alestane | Actually, I misspoke. The router isn't new, but the firmware is. |
| 13:58.07 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: If you need help with it, call me and I'll help you set it up. |
| 13:58.24 | Lopeppeppy | alestane: the desktop can use the normal cable-modem-router, but the wireless router I was adding in won't take a password. And I won't use it unsecured, so I put it aside for Some Other Night. |
| 13:58.34 | alestane | Lunessa: Know anything about DD-WRT? |
| 13:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Lunessa. It's an ancient Linksys, it might not even actually work. |
| 13:58.37 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:58.55 | Lunessa | alestane: Nope. Sounds like greek to me. |
| 13:59.11 | Lunessa | But I'm on 3 hours of sleep and didn't google. |
| 13:59.13 | alestane | 3rd-party Broadcom firmware, installed in place of the Linksys. |
| 13:59.47 | Etanol | Theory: Creativity is inversely proportional to how stressed and alert you are |
| 13:59.56 | Lunessa | I gave up on Linksys and use a Netgear router now. |
| 14:00.07 | Aelobin | netgear ftw |
| 14:00.17 | Lunessa | Etanol: If that were true, I'm fucking Leonardo Da Vinci |
| 14:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | Ethanol, is a fact. There are lots of studies on the bell-curve relationship to stress, alertness, distraction, productivity. Psychology 101. |
| 14:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa love, you're tired. "Inversely proportional" more stress = less goodness. :) |
| 14:01.14 | Lunessa | Well, it's ok. Leonardo is lousy in the sack anyway. :P |
| 14:01.56 | Lopeppeppy | I thought he was kind of asexual? |
| 14:02.28 | Lunessa | ... I worked too hard for that joke. |
| 14:02.32 | alestane | Think I figured it out, I was forwarding port 3274 instead of port 3724. |
| 14:02.54 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, simple numerical dyslexia will scrod you over every time. |
| 14:05.00 | Lunessa | OK, I must be waking up, because I almost wanted to correct the peppy's grammar. |
| 14:06.59 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa love, if I make a mistake in grammar, it's almost always deliberate. :P |
| 14:07.17 | Lunessa | which is why I said /almost/. |
| 14:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | *kisskiss* |
| 14:07.27 | alestane | What is "scrod", other than fish? |
| 14:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | In a joking fashion, a putative past perfect tense of screwed. |
| 14:08.26 | alestane | Smerdle. |
| 14:08.32 | Lopeppeppy | I think the fish is schrod, with an h. |
| 14:08.42 | Lunessa | Yes, /exactly/ |
| 14:08.57 | aesir | In Boston it's just scrod. |
| 14:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | I lived in Boston for a decade, we spels gud out there sometimes. :) It can be both ways, the wiki sayeth, and the wiki is always right. |
| 14:09.27 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: if you could send me a smaller file, that would be great |
| 14:09.30 | jnwhiteh | the one i'm using now is 344k |
| 14:09.31 | alestane | It seems to be working better with the right port...it's not bitching that it's behind a firewall anymore. |
| 14:09.34 | jnwhiteh | and my connection dislikes it |
| 14:09.41 | aesir | From the wiki on scrod: A businessman arriving in Boston for a convention found that his first evening was free, and he decided to go find a good seafood restaurant that served scrod, a Massachusetts specialty. Getting into a taxi, he asked the cab driver, "Do you know where a guy can get scrod around here?" "Sure," said the cabdriver. "I know a few places... but I can tell you it's not often I hear someone use the third-person pluperfect |
| 14:10.16 | jnwhiteh | or if anyone can toss up a small .blp file for me |
| 14:10.32 | alestane | Nope, there it goes, now tit sees the "firewall." I must still be missing a setting somewhere. |
| 14:10.37 | alestane | sp* |
| 14:10.49 | Wobin | aesir: argh, cut off at the punchline =P |
| 14:11.16 | aesir | sorry, Wobin, it's not that funny. But here you go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrod |
| 14:11.23 | alestane | I wonder if it's suppressing ACKs or something. |
| 14:11.24 | Wobin | yeah, I was reading it =) |
| 14:11.38 | aesir | I liked it because I know people from Boston and I can 'hear' the joke in my head. |
| 14:12.09 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/ButtonFrame.blp |
| 14:12.20 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: ok |
| 14:12.42 | jnwhiteh | thanks foxlit |
| 14:13.49 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: http://nerdheaven.dk |
| 14:13.51 | Maldivia | acl |
| 14:13.53 | Maldivia | arghh |
| 14:14.01 | Jamash | ok Learning Aid is updated and uploaded, I'm going to sleep |
| 14:14.03 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/Achievement_BG_3flagcap_nodeaths.blp -- there |
| 14:14.39 | Maldivia | that's one if the icons, so around 3k |
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| 14:15.16 | foxlit | aesir: woah, holy error spam |
| 14:15.24 | jnwhiteh | aesir: okay shoudl work now. |
| 14:15.30 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: its dumped into teh database for now =) |
| 14:15.35 | jnwhiteh | but i can clear the cache out if i need to |
| 14:15.58 | foxlit | generally speaking, it's a little easier from php, since I can get native hashing |
| 14:16.45 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 14:16.46 | jnwhiteh | very odd |
| 14:16.47 | jnwhiteh | it might work |
| 14:16.51 | jnwhiteh | it might not |
| 14:16.55 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 14:18.06 | Maldivia | what's the site, if I may ask ? |
| 14:18.57 | foxlit | imagesetpixel($ptr, $x, $y, imagecolorallocatealpha($ptr, $palette[$pI][1], $palette[$pI][2], $palette[$pI][3], $hasAlpha ? $alpha[$y*$width+$x] : 0)); |
| 14:19.07 | foxlit | whee, yeah, right, pass the file pointer to the image functions. |
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| 14:19.23 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png |
| 14:19.29 | JackBurton7676 | in your opinion what is the one most useful Fubar module you've got? |
| 14:19.29 | Lunessa | "Flint and Tinder is no longer necessary for creating a campfire. You're just that resourceful!" |
| 14:19.31 | jnwhiteh | i seem to be having a mysql issue with larger imanges |
| 14:20.03 | foxlit | maximum query length? column truncation? |
| 14:20.13 | jnwhiteh | something like that |
| 14:20.14 | jnwhiteh | not sure |
| 14:20.21 | jnwhiteh | gotta look into it later |
| 14:20.24 | jnwhiteh | but it works fine for smaller images |
| 14:20.33 | jnwhiteh | an |
| 14:20.37 | jnwhiteh | even for larger ones, it seems |
| 14:20.41 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png?hash=a6a90508cf8339cb8a60acdd3d162e22 |
| 14:20.43 | foxlit | what does it throw? |
| 14:20.46 | aesir | The one I tried was 172kb. |
| 14:21.12 | jnwhiteh | aesir: try now. |
| 14:21.15 | jnwhiteh | the interface needs work |
| 14:21.18 | jnwhiteh | but i can fix that when i'm not on holiday |
| 14:21.26 | aesir | trying it now |
| 14:21.34 | Etanol | hm |
| 14:21.51 | aesir | btw, it's for a good cause. There's a spartanUI user with a specific color-blindness. Trying to just get the green health bar to turn white for him/her. |
| 14:22.04 | jnwhiteh | yeah it works great in safari |
| 14:22.09 | jnwhiteh | firefox you'll want to file -> save as |
| 14:22.40 | aesir | Pity. All the good blp support is on the mac. Even the utils that still alive are mac only. |
| 14:22.53 | jnwhiteh | the lua conversion script runs anywhere |
| 14:22.57 | jnwhiteh | same with the php =) |
| 14:23.37 | aesir | "File | Save Page As.." not right-click "Save Image As..."? |
| 14:23.47 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 14:23.54 | Maldivia | firefox saves what the page returns, and not what the location-header forwards it to |
| 14:23.55 | jnwhiteh | it'll default the type to portable network graphic |
| 14:23.56 | jnwhiteh | etc |
| 14:24.09 | Aqua | well shit, the patch hit |
| 14:24.11 | jnwhiteh | well ive tested this and it works |
| 14:24.13 | aesir | well, that works. I'm the proud owner of a blp2png.png file that I can view. |
| 14:24.19 | aesir | Thanks |
| 14:24.37 | jnwhiteh | and the file is stored until i clear the cache |
| 14:24.42 | jnwhiteh | logging off now |
| 14:24.44 | jnwhiteh | and closing my machine |
| 14:24.47 | jnwhiteh | see you guys later =) |
| 14:24.47 | aesir | Have fun |
| 14:24.49 | Lopeppeppy | Enjoy your vacation! |
| 14:25.27 | foxlit | actually, clad, are you running the php one somewhere? |
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| 14:26.51 | kneeki | Happy 3.1 day everyone |
| 14:26.58 | Lopeppeppy | Morning kneeki, happy patch day |
| 14:27.00 | Lunessa | The equipment manager feature is still covered in the patch notes. |
| 14:27.14 | alestane | Turning on UPnP seems to have fixed it. |
| 14:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, bah. |
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| 14:29.36 | Etanol | hm |
| 14:29.45 | Lunessa | Thank goodness: "Players first entering any dungeon that will result in a lock-out timer will be warned if they are going to be saved to the instance. This warning will include an option to port to the nearest graveyard before being saved." |
| 14:30.02 | Etanol | it seems there's no API function for spec switching :/ |
| 14:30.20 | Jamash | sure there is |
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| 14:30.53 | Etanol | nothing about it in the 3.1 API changes thread on wow forums |
| 14:31.09 | Etanol | only some weird joystick functions |
| 14:31.17 | Lopeppeppy | Not everything gets shoveled into there. Check the wiki too. |
| 14:31.23 | Jamash | it's in one of zoot's posts |
| 14:31.30 | foxlit | perhaps more reasonably, check framexml |
| 14:31.37 | Jamash | SetActiveTalentGroup |
| 14:31.40 | foxlit | You kids and your "change summaries" and "tutorials" |
| 14:31.42 | Lopeppeppy | I think I see it in Iriel's post too. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443405133&sid=1 |
| 14:31.48 | foxlit | Back in my day, we guessed binary numbers! |
| 14:31.53 | foxlit | With only zeroes! |
| 14:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | It's like Iriel's second topic. |
| 14:31.57 | foxlit | Uphill. Both ways! |
| 14:32.14 | foxlit | In a Blizzard! |
| 14:32.43 | Lopeppeppy | steals foxlit's snowshoes too. |
| 14:32.50 | aesir | I preferred ASM. Really. I understood programming better then, as compared to now. I never got my head wrapped around all these layers and abstractions. I think it's a bunch of smoke and mirrors, when all I really want to do is move some bits around. |
| 14:33.01 | Etanol | Lopeppeppy: nope, nothing on there |
| 14:33.26 | Etanol | Jamash: aha, thx |
| 14:33.39 | foxlit | fixed the RAW handling branch of his blp php script. |
| 14:33.49 | foxlit | (seriously, who stores RAW data in BLPs?!) |
| 14:34.06 | nevcairiel | some guy, apparently |
| 14:34.22 | foxlit | That's like saying, "Screw file size, I want to use a format no one can read!" |
| 14:34.35 | foxlit | Honestly, *uncompressed* TGAs would be smaller. |
| 14:35.53 | aesir | Maybe there's a cost in processing the decompression and the application for this specific .blp needs to avoid that. |
| 14:36.06 | foxlit | It's WoW |
| 14:36.19 | foxlit | It eats decompression costs for breakfast. |
| 14:36.50 | aesir | foxlit: should I try that site again? I got what I needed, but did you want to test to see if your site can actually crash my computer, and not just the browser? |
| 14:36.55 | foxlit | Sure, go |
| 14:37.03 | aesir | sorry what was the url again? |
| 14:37.10 | Kaelten | how goes guys? |
| 14:37.12 | foxlit | I suspect it threw enough HTML at you to simply choke something |
| 14:37.17 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yeah, kids these days. In MY day we read Assembly, and we /liked/ it! |
| 14:37.18 | foxlit | http://vector.digifort.com/blp.php |
| 14:37.43 | airtonix | hey dawg i hurd u liek zerows so we chuck in some wuns wif da zerows for ur zerows and wuns |
| 14:37.53 | airtonix | ... |
| 14:37.58 | aesir | that's amazing. Your site shows the blp in red, jnwhiteh's shows it in green. This is AWESOME |
| 14:38.14 | foxlit | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/14/curse-wow-interface-band-together-to-block-wowmatrix/2#comments "as of right now, I'm still able to get mods from curse, but not from WI... " |
| 14:38.15 | aesir | Your site lets me right-click save as. |
| 14:38.28 | foxlit | Yeah, it's a slightly different principle |
| 14:39.06 | aesir | I like the feature that shows the wrong colors best. :p |
| 14:39.06 | foxlit | I end up storing the image and sending you an HTML page containing it |
| 14:39.36 | foxlit | hah! |
| 14:39.48 | foxlit | channels are evil. |
| 14:39.50 | foxlit | and stuff. |
| 14:39.58 | aesir | lol |
| 14:40.13 | Lunessa | Interestingly enough, having multiple installs of WoW makes the patcher unhappy. |
| 14:40.56 | Etanol | :O:O |
| 14:40.58 | Etanol | PIRATE!"!!! |
| 14:41.27 | airtonix | lulz |
| 14:42.42 | Shirik | lolol |
| 14:42.52 | Shirik | WoW asks you to log in and type your authenticator code |
| 14:42.58 | Shirik | but apparently the authenticator code means nothing |
| 14:43.10 | Shirik | It still successfully logs in far enough to start the patch |
| 14:43.17 | Shirik | Because I know I mistyped it and it still worked |
| 14:43.40 | End | you should try typing your password incorrectly |
| 14:44.37 | Aqua | damnit, i hate patch's, so slow.... |
| 14:44.50 | nevcairiel | That always worked Shirik, even before authenticators it got the patch check before validating the password |
| 14:45.07 | Trela_ | Scenario: I find out my boss is looking for a new job back in January on his blog that he thinks we do not know about. Yesterday he puts in his two week notice. Do I bother human resources for his job and a promotion? I know they will put me with his duties. |
| 14:45.27 | End | I'm a little surprised it asks for the authenticator code, but yeah, if there's a patch, it doesn't care if the password is right |
| 14:45.39 | p3lim | new toc number is 30100 right? |
| 14:45.41 | Trela_ | Yes. |
| 14:45.52 | Aqua | Trela_: if its salary to hourly, i wouldn't..... stay hourly |
| 14:46.02 | Shirik | nevcairiel: It's acceptable for the password since the password's on the same, front screen |
| 14:46.22 | Shirik | however, we know for a fact it doesn't ask for the auth code before talking with the server, because it only asks for accounts with an authenticator |
| 14:46.24 | Trela_ | Aqua: I am salary already. |
| 14:46.44 | Aqua | then yea, i would bother HR, get more money for the work your going to end up doing anyway |
| 14:47.26 | Trela_ | Also part of the fact I will have to drive to a weekly meeting probably. |
| 14:47.59 | Trela_ | Gas monies man, give me my gas monies! |
| 14:48.09 | Aqua | get all the cash you can get |
| 14:48.15 | Fisker- | not like it matters Shirik |
| 14:48.28 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: happy now? :) |
| 14:48.40 | alestane | "Every golf game need lava, right?" |
| 14:48.41 | Cairenn | :) |
| 14:50.56 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/some-bunny-was-cranky-today/1808 |
| 14:51.24 | Moleculor | So have the servers caught fire yet? |
| 14:51.50 | Aqua | not yet, they will |
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| 15:00.22 | Etanol | will SetActiveTalentGroup(id) initiate the talent switch cast? |
| 15:00.27 | Lunessa | How are we making Cairenn happy this morning? Ice cream treats? |
| 15:00.43 | zenzelezz | I'd make Cairenn happy every morning if she'd let me |
| 15:00.55 | airtonix | stranger danger! |
| 15:01.01 | nevcairiel | Fresh and new addons is what she is into |
| 15:01.08 | Cairenn | huggles Lunessa and zenzelezz |
| 15:01.12 | zenzelezz | airtonix: nonsense, I've been stalking in here long enough that she knows me |
| 15:01.29 | Lunessa | Damn zen - don't you ever get a rest? I mean, dude you don't need to be taking Viagra unless something doesn't work. :P |
| 15:01.36 | airtonix | lulz |
| 15:01.56 | airtonix | the flag must always fly strong |
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| 15:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | I would share my ice cream with Cairenn. |
| 15:03.05 | Cairenn | :) |
| 15:03.43 | Adys | hahah |
| 15:03.45 | Adys | " |
| 15:03.46 | Adys | With the proliferation of online degrees and most people moving their social interaction to social networking sites, college may soon be an extension of Facebook. 50 years from now Facebook University may be the most prestigious college in the United States. I don't know if I'm being funny or insightful, but all of a sudden I feel depressed." |
| 15:03.54 | Adys | slashdot comment |
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| 15:04.39 | Aqua | scarry... |
| 15:04.41 | Lunessa | EQ was released in 98, right? Or was it 97? |
| 15:05.15 | Moleculor | 82. |
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| 15:05.22 | zenzelezz | "... was released on 16 March 1999." |
| 15:05.24 | Adys | 1st jan 1970 |
| 15:05.25 | zenzelezz | apparently |
| 15:06.05 | Moleculor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everquest |
| 15:06.28 | Moleculor | QUICK! TRIVIA! What was PC Gamer UK's game of the year in 1982? |
| 15:06.28 | Moleculor | EEENNNGH. Out of time! |
| 15:06.33 | Moleculor | Starflight! (God that was a good game.) |
| 15:06.33 | Lunessa | Ok, so ... I'm officially celebrating 10 years, 9 days of online addiction. |
| 15:06.52 | Moleculor | Conga rats! |
| 15:07.41 | Adys | Aqua: ill be honest, since I dropped out of school Ive had a much better general POV on education outside governmental school (at least in france) and its a sad thing |
| 15:07.41 | Aqua | i dropped out of school as well, but i dropped out by falling down a stairwell |
| 15:08.17 | Adys | yah but I was being serious |
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| 15:08.37 | Aqua | I know |
| 15:08.58 | Moleculor | I dun s'pose anyone here knows if X-Perl has an official site or whatnot? Google's not really turning up much beyond Curse 'n WI. |
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| 15:09.22 | Adys | you got a big part of the world complaining about lack of scholarship in their country/town/whatever; meanwhile there's little-to-none alternative online and that's really, really sad |
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| 15:09.40 | Adys | s/ne// |
| 15:10.32 | Aqua | The online that is there is a a joke atm |
| 15:10.38 | Lunessa | Adys: Not to be cruel, but France has never exactly been stellar about educating its populace. |
| 15:11.06 | Adys | thats not even half the truth |
| 15:11.16 | Adys | french scholar system is horrible |
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| 15:11.27 | Lunessa | I was watering it down. |
| 15:11.32 | Wobin | no no no noargh |
| 15:11.39 | Wobin | I will -not- post a comment on wowinsider |
| 15:11.43 | Wobin | I will RESIST |
| 15:11.48 | Lunessa | GIVE IN! |
| 15:11.53 | Lunessa | SUBMIT |
| 15:11.56 | Lunessa | DO IT |
| 15:11.57 | Wobin | NO! |
| 15:12.06 | Adys | Wobin: [Val'kyr Greaves of Stupidity Resistance] |
| 15:12.08 | Adys | this will help you |
| 15:12.10 | Wobin | My IQ is already depressed due to the official forums |
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| 15:12.36 | Adys | Aqua: its not even a matter of having official online scholarship |
| 15:12.42 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/jaa.jpg |
| 15:12.43 | Adys | there's almost no educative program available |
| 15:12.59 | Lunessa | Bah - to hell with "patching" my second copy. Ctrl+V, Ctrl+C |
| 15:13.04 | Wobin | mikma: which one sings better? |
| 15:13.09 | Adys | I'm ofc excepting the bullshit HTML/Java tutorials |
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| 15:13.40 | mikma | wobin: i'm gonna go with the cock, like usual |
| 15:13.42 | Aqua | hmmmm, do i want to take the oppertunity to reload my hdd while a patch is up |
| 15:13.50 | Wobin | You always go for the cock |
| 15:13.52 | Aqua | (pardon spelling_ |
| 15:14.01 | geargrind | yeah, as much as you can complain about the US public education system, there's definitely a much bigger market for private/technical schools since we're just a bunch of ruthless capitalists :P |
| 15:14.12 | geargrind | online colleges, etc |
| 15:14.43 | Adys | market can suck it up |
| 15:14.53 | Adys | knowledge should be free, the fuck is up with the rest |
| 15:14.56 | zenzelezz | geargrind: yeah, I get offered PhDs in my mailbox all the time |
| 15:15.06 | geargrind | ... |
| 15:15.11 | Lunessa | geargrind: I thought we were communists with an outmoded capitalist system which is being overthrown by the glorious proletariat? |
| 15:15.12 | zenzelezz | the sad truth abotu spam |
| 15:15.12 | AckisWork | Lunessa: casual :P |
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| 15:15.52 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Bite me. |
| 15:15.59 | AckisWork | bites Lunessa |
| 15:16.05 | AckisWork | meh didn't you shower? |
| 15:16.08 | Cairenn | bites Lunessa in all the right ways |
| 15:16.18 | Lopeppeppy | bites in all the wrong ways. Rawr. |
| 15:16.47 | Lunessa | shivers and moans, happy to be ih a Lopeppeppy and Cairenn sammich! |
| 15:19.54 | kneeki | hrm.. |
| 15:20.21 | kneeki | On the bottom of the video, is his minimap, with animated graphics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qft9HWRhIaw Any ideas what mod that is, or how it's done? |
| 15:20.33 | Lunessa | Ok... Must get ready for work. Back later. |
| 15:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | Now that she's gone, I'll talk about her... Cairenn posted the "updated mods" thread, so if you have them or know of them, please to post! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16366366956&sid=1 |
| 15:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | Kneeki, he may be taking advantage of the new animation API, and that mod may not be released yet. |
| 15:21.40 | kneeki | I've not heard of such api -_- |
| 15:21.49 | kneeki | wow ui forums have more info? |
| 15:22.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Zoot's 3.1 post on the UI forms is FULL of animation yummy. Iriel's might also have some, in the stickies section. |
| 15:22.16 | kneeki | ooo |
| 15:22.19 | kneeki | hot |
| 15:22.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, very. |
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| 15:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | But I bet it will be a few weeks as things start to trickle through using that system. |
| 15:22.55 | Syzgyn | Oh fail, authentication servers arent patched yet? |
| 15:23.09 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't surprise me, Syzgyn... downtime is always longer on patch days. |
| 15:23.32 | Syzgyn | Yea, but usually I can atleast patch and sit around waiting then |
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| 15:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | The patch is supposed to be downloading for people now, people have been talking about it all morning. |
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| 15:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | If you can't get it, try a mirror site. |
| 15:24.26 | Syzgyn | I already have it downloaded from the background downloader |
| 15:25.02 | DWSR | Patch day, woot woot! |
| 15:25.18 | geargrind | o rly? |
| 15:25.18 | Syzgyn | Huzza |
| 15:25.35 | geargrind | downloads |
| 15:25.39 | AckisWork | hey guys, i'm trying to update my addons with wowmatrix but it's not wokring... what's going on? |
| 15:25.47 | geargrind | lol |
| 15:25.54 | End | ~fail AckisWork |
| 15:25.54 | purl | You suck at everything in life, AckisWork. I hate you because you fail. |
| 15:26.01 | Lopeppeppy | smacks the livin' bejeezus out of Ackis. |
| 15:26.08 | kneeki | lawl |
| 15:26.13 | AckisWork | :D |
| 15:26.21 | AckisWork | all I can say: FIRST |
| 15:26.30 | AckisWork | I wonder if we'll get people in the channels with that question today eh? |
| 15:26.38 | Wobin | Sorry Ackis |
| 15:26.39 | End | probably a few |
| 15:26.39 | Lopeppeppy | You're totally not my first, Ackis, nice try. :P |
| 15:26.42 | Wobin | Your joke is way too late |
| 15:26.49 | Wobin | We've had the claim from bleeter ages ago |
| 15:27.10 | Wobin | SLOW ACKIS IS SLOW =P |
| 15:27.21 | AckisWork | oh |
| 15:27.22 | AckisWork | :( |
| 15:27.35 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I'll always be your first!!! |
| 15:27.54 | mikma | ~ackis |
| 15:27.55 | purl | well, ackis is a person who can code, but just doesn't know how to type. |
| 15:27.56 | Wobin | about 5 hours ago =) |
| 15:28.08 | mikma | purl: no, ackis is nr.2 |
| 15:28.08 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 15:28.09 | DWSR | ~dwsr |
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| 15:28.16 | DWSR | :( |
| 15:28.24 | mikma | now, bleeter is Dr. Evil and ackis is nr.2 |
| 15:28.36 | kneeki | Does I have a neat thing about meeee? |
| 15:28.42 | kneeki | ~kneeki |
| 15:28.48 | kneeki | aww, I'm sad now |
| 15:28.50 | aesir | Wait, I thought Ackis was over Unger, and Unger was Over Oveur? |
| 15:28.51 | DWSR | At any rate, time to hope that my UI doesn't break superbad. |
| 15:28.56 | mikma | purl: kneeki is see ~fail |
| 15:28.57 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 15:29.17 | kneeki | ~kneeki |
| 15:29.18 | purl | methinks kneeki is see ~fail |
| 15:29.18 | DWSR | thinks Talented will fail hard. |
| 15:29.25 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:29.29 | kneeki | ~fail |
| 15:29.30 | purl | well, fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. |
| 15:29.37 | kneeki | ^ lol |
| 15:29.37 | DWSR | :D |
| 15:29.40 | kneeki | I like |
| 15:30.08 | DWSR | ~fail |
| 15:30.10 | purl | well, fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. |
| 15:30.11 | mikma | purl: no, kneeki is <reply> see ~fail |
| 15:30.12 | purl | mikma: okay |
| 15:30.34 | kneeki | mm? |
| 15:30.38 | kneeki | ~kneeki |
| 15:30.54 | kneeki | I don't get it |
| 15:31.06 | DWSR | btw, what is this I heard of an extensible addon updater? |
| 15:31.11 | DWSR | Something about OSGi? |
| 15:31.13 | geargrind | ~fail blizzard downloader |
| 15:31.14 | purl | blizzard downloader, you Fail! |
| 15:31.52 | geargrind | 8 to 40 KB/s on a 350 KB/s connection 4tl |
| 15:32.05 | Moleculor | The animated minimap is called SexyMap, and was available in 3.0, I believe. |
| 15:32.06 | Wobin | so how has curse modified how WoWMatrix gets the stuff? |
| 15:32.18 | nevcairiel | They hide the download links |
| 15:32.19 | Moleculor | Kneeki. |
| 15:32.21 | geargrind | sekrit majix |
| 15:32.26 | DWSR | Wobin: Black magic. :) |
| 15:32.26 | Wobin | I saw that WoWI links failed in Wowmatrix |
| 15:32.30 | Wobin | but not the curse ones |
| 15:32.45 | kneeki | Moleculor: Hi |
| 15:32.51 | Wobin | (Of course, I wasn't willing to actually -click- anything in the wowmatrix =P) |
| 15:32.52 | Moleculor | The animated minimap is called SexyMap, and was available in 3.0, I believe. |
| 15:33.06 | nevcairiel | curse fails too Wobin |
| 15:33.12 | Wobin | good good =P |
| 15:33.24 | kneeki | Moleculor: Ah, thanks! |
| 15:33.26 | nevcairiel | the updater is nearly useless now |
| 15:33.26 | durcyn | pretty sure it was only implemented on curseforge and wowace |
| 15:33.32 | nevcairiel | curse.com too |
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| 15:33.50 | DWSR | Works on the whole family of sites. |
| 15:33.51 | nevcairiel | they have flash widgets that hide the download as well |
| 15:34.16 | DWSR | So how did it work? Just a Flash app generating dl links? |
| 15:34.19 | DWSR | Because that is teh smart. |
| 15:35.02 | nicoli_s | thank you, it took our team quite a while to put it together |
| 15:35.02 | nevcairiel | On curse, yes. eitehr flash (if you have it) or a captcha if you lack flash |
| 15:35.22 | nevcairiel | or so kaelten told us |
| 15:36.27 | DWSR | nevcairiel: He's got no real reason to lie about it., :) |
| 15:36.40 | DWSR | It's not like you can defeat Captcha. |
| 15:36.46 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 15:37.02 | Wobin | I think the only one it updated was Auctioneer |
| 15:37.06 | DWSR | Kaelten: We're just talking about how much we love you for pissing on the dung pile that is WoWM. :) |
| 15:37.11 | Wobin | and that's probably cause it went through norg's site |
| 15:37.13 | Kaelten | It's probably pulling auctioneer from norganna's site |
| 15:37.34 | Kaelten | lol |
| 15:37.59 | Grum | Kaelten: gz on blocking wowmatrix btw :) |
| 15:38.24 | Kaelten | I'm wondering when/if they'll try to fix it |
| 15:38.34 | Kaelten | and how long their user base can take the lack of workage before freaking |
| 15:38.43 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: with 3.1? not long. |
| 15:38.59 | aesir | I think it's great that addon sites are working together. It seems to set the stage for cross-site compatible downloaders, such as a plug-in module for curse/curseforge/wowace within the upcoming wowi updater. Or vice versa. |
| 15:39.23 | Grum | i think if they monitor what the curseclient does and have people make a curse user/pass ... they'll get around it sooner than later |
| 15:39.53 | Kaelten | Grum: I don't think their language can figure it out honestly |
| 15:40.11 | Grum | 'their language' ? :D |
| 15:41.06 | DWSR | Kaelten: Is there any way to stop the Curse Client from showing progress bars? |
| 15:41.49 | Kaelten | Grum: Runtime Revolution |
| 15:42.26 | Kaelten | DWSR: it won't show them if it's in the background when they try to show |
| 15:42.54 | DWSR | Kaelten: For me (Vista SP1), it shows them always, no matter what state the main window it is. |
| 15:43.07 | DWSR | Whether or not it has focus, or is min'ed to tray. |
| 15:43.20 | Kaelten | hrm, it shouldn't be for a lot of them |
| 15:43.24 | Kaelten | I'll mention that to the windows dev |
| 15:43.35 | DWSR | At any rate, I just want an option to turn it off, or to have 1 progress bar showing the update progress of the whole thing. |
| 15:43.50 | Kaelten | yeah, for 3.1 or so we hope to rework the notifications |
| 15:44.27 | DWSR | Kaelten: Did I hear something about a cross-site client? |
| 15:45.49 | Kaelten | you've heard a lot of people asking for it |
| 15:46.16 | DWSR | No, I remember someone linking a thread talking about something to do with OSGi or something? |
| 15:46.20 | DWSR | Lemme search my history. |
| 15:46.28 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk mentioned it |
| 15:46.30 | geargrind | gives up on patching... i'll have left for home by the time its done... *sigh* |
| 15:46.42 | Wobin | Kaelten: I hear the Mac CC is horrible... true/false? |
| 15:46.55 | Grum | Kaelten: nice system, i wonder how far i can get with decompiling flash :) |
| 15:47.19 | DWSR | Grum: Not very far, afaik. |
| 15:47.25 | Grum | why not? |
| 15:47.42 | Wobin | DWSR: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20417 |
| 15:47.46 | DWSR | Thanks Wobin |
| 15:47.46 | nicoli_s | wobin, the mac cc has gotten alot better |
| 15:47.47 | Wobin | about a few posts down |
| 15:47.51 | Kaelten | Grum: people have been trying |
| 15:47.58 | DWSR | Grum: Because of the way that Flash compiles. |
| 15:48.33 | Wobin | Now we just need someone to clone Shirik so he has time for everything |
| 15:48.43 | Grum | Kaelten: i bet you tried it yourself as well |
| 15:48.54 | AckisWork | mates with shirik to make shirik-babies |
| 15:48.58 | Moleculor | I hope the file storage structure for the ZIP files for the addons was changed along with the new obfuscation system, or else they might be able to just guess at the location of the file on the server. |
| 15:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | ... eeew Ackis. |
| 15:49.09 | Kaelten | Grum: of coruse I did ;) |
| 15:49.20 | AckisWork | watch out Lopeppeppy, you could be next! |
| 15:49.27 | Grum | Moleculor: guessing the file wont do you much good, you get 'expired' links |
| 15:49.36 | DWSR | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=116856&postcount=6 <- ROFL |
| 15:49.38 | Grum | try: http://addons.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectFiles/3360/331403/Cartographer-r2300.zip for example :p |
| 15:49.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, no way. |
| 15:50.07 | Wobin | DWSR: House makes everything funnier =) |
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| 15:51.29 | Grum | Kaelten: as long as you keep the flashfile in a really recent version there shouldnt be much of a problem |
| 15:51.44 | Grum | the only problem you might have now is that people start sniffing whatever its doing |
| 15:53.12 | DWSR | btw, can you even do OS-independant installers? |
| 15:53.17 | DWSR | I didn't think that that was possible. |
| 15:54.38 | DWSR | Oh my god, Shirik's doing it in Java? :( |
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| 15:54.59 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:55.02 | Lopeppeppy | Morning again. |
| 15:56.58 | Lunessa | Oh joy, I get to get up early tomorrow to go mail my taxes, and... I get to get up even earlier on Thursday to go to Austin for a conference Woo! |
| 15:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | Is it a good conference? |
| 15:58.44 | erikd | anyone interested in a patch mirror? i have one up if you want the url |
| 15:58.44 | Lunessa | it should be interesting at least. One of the panels is on WIFI implementation on campuses and supporting mobile devices. |
| 15:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds neat at least, Lunessa. |
| 15:59.37 | Lunessa | Should be at least interesting. But I'll be cooped up in a van with coworkers for 2 hours each way. |
| 15:59.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah-blarg |
| 16:02.18 | DWSR | How long before realms come back? |
| 16:02.27 | durcyn | 2 hours, minimum |
| 16:04.11 | Syzgyn | $10 says its atleast 5 |
| 16:04.23 | Lunessa | 11am Pacific. 2 more hours unless something goes horribly wrong. |
| 16:04.48 | DWSR | s/unless/before/ |
| 16:04.53 | aesir | That couldn't possibly happen. Oh, wait... that's not a moon...! |
| 16:04.54 | DWSR | fixt. |
| 16:05.40 | DWSR | It would be nice if they could cycle servers in a staggered manner. |
| 16:06.18 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice if someone brought me breakfast in bed. Sadly, it's not convenient or practical, so it doesn't happen. |
| 16:06.55 | DWSR | I don't see how it's impractical. Inconvenient I sort of understand thouh. |
| 16:06.57 | DWSR | though* |
| 16:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | You're not Bliz, so it's not likely you'll see the same things when "practicality" is in mind. |
| 16:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | Go to the Customer Service forums. Every Tuesday the same questions and comments just like yours, the same answer, "This works best for us, it's predictable, you'll just have to live with it" |
| 16:08.15 | DWSR | Heh, if people don't question the status quo, then society never progresses. |
| 16:08.24 | Lopeppeppy | If people whine, it doesn't change the status quo. |
| 16:08.26 | DWSR | Just because it Just Works (tm) doesn't mean it couldn't work better. |
| 16:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | Just because you think it could/would/should work better, doesn't mean it will/can/ought to. |
| 16:09.19 | Lunessa | DWSR - While I would normally agree with you, this is one of those cases where you can't please anyone, so Blizzard does what works for them. |
| 16:09.26 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 16:10.05 | DWSR | Lunessa: Yeah, I understand that. I'm just an insatiably curious person. |
| 16:10.11 | geargrind | is the ptr down yet? |
| 16:10.22 | DWSR | At any rate, it's nice that they've started to only do rolling restarts on weeks where no maintenance is required. |
| 16:10.35 | DWSR | Although, why do they even need to do rolling restarts is my next question? |
| 16:10.44 | Lunessa | Every MMO I've played has this issue. They all deal with it in a fashion to minimize down-time, and hey all get shit for it anyway. |
| 16:10.47 | Lopeppeppy | To annoy people. |
| 16:11.23 | zenzelezz | hrm, "games for escapism".... 15 minutes in GTA IV and the character has already been on more dates than I ever have |
| 16:11.42 | Lunessa | DWSR - because you can't really clean up a database that's getting a zillion read/wrties per minute without some down time? |
| 16:12.02 | aesir | They could talk to the EVE people. |
| 16:12.11 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Does it count as a date if all you do is bang a hooker in your backseat? |
| 16:12.12 | Lopeppeppy | They could eat Cheetos for breakfast. |
| 16:12.23 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: not in my book |
| 16:12.27 | aesir | They could, but it wouldn't address the issue. |
| 16:12.41 | Lunessa | Then the guy in GTA isn't really "dating" is he? |
| 16:13.04 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: they chose to call it a date |
| 16:13.06 | Lopeppeppy | They could talk to the EVE people, but it likely is apples to oranges and won't address the issue that you perceive. |
| 16:13.33 | aesir | Likely, but the arguments againts seem to be based on 'don't do it because it's not how it's done today' rather than exploring options. |
| 16:13.40 | DWSR | Lunessa: A) why does the database need weekly cleaning? Sites like Ebay get a lot more than db i/o than WoW, I would suspect. b) I doubt that there is no way to keep a database up all the time. |
| 16:14.13 | airtonix | imo installer should be in python wrapped in gtk |
| 16:14.20 | airtonix | which works on all platforms |
| 16:14.32 | airtonix | might not even need gtk |
| 16:14.32 | DWSR | airtonix: Except if you don't have a python runtime. |
| 16:14.38 | DWSR | In which case, it doesn't work. |
| 16:14.42 | airtonix | linux and mac do |
| 16:14.46 | DWSR | Windows doesn't. |
| 16:14.46 | Lopeppeppy | aesir, you're mis-hearing us. What we're saying is the topic has been done to death. It's not a case of "because that's how it's done", but a case of "nearly every week Bliz proves again that it works best for them, their systems, and their organization". Dead horse leads to not bothering to give all of the details all of the time. |
| 16:14.50 | airtonix | screw windows |
| 16:14.51 | DWSR | And that's where your player base is. |
| 16:15.14 | DWSR | airtonix: Yeah, I think like that too, right up until I want to play Steam games. |
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| 16:15.30 | airtonix | steam is coming to linux soon |
| 16:15.50 | DWSR | airtonix: How soon is Soon(tm)? The Linux Vent client has been coming Soon(tm) for like 4 years. |
| 16:16.00 | zenzelezz | airtonix: someone's finally throwing some water on the trolls flaming Linux? |
| 16:16.05 | Lunessa | DWSR - I'm sure they do more than DB maintenance. But since none of us knows exactly what they're doing during that time, but they feel the need to get it done, I just grabbed the one thing I know for sure they do. And ... If you've ever managed a massive database with millions of read/writes you would be shocked they only do it weekly. |
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| 16:16.14 | aesir | Lop: I hear you, and wouldn't actually expect many (or any) could give all the details. But the responses should probably be, "we don't know why they do this, and yes, it's probably worth periodically looking at because tech changes as do processes and requirements that surround the tech." |
| 16:16.15 | airtonix | soon as in now if your wine savy and soon sooner than woon(tm) |
| 16:16.48 | Lopeppeppy | The response is "We know exactly why we do this, what our infrastructure is, and what it can/can't do, and what it requires. Sorry if you don't like it, but there you go." |
| 16:17.04 | airtonix | i have no problems updating my stuff manually anyway |
| 16:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | They never say that if they got new tech, they wouldn't look at it again. But they don't have new tech, so there's no reason to hash it all out AGAIN every time someone new comes along to ask the same question. |
| 16:17.45 | Lunessa | More like, every time someone comes along and is unhappy they can't play during the downtime window. |
| 16:18.36 | aesir | That's probably a good indicator that the problem should be looked at. The alternative of course is that everytime someone new comes along, they don't make a comment. That would be an indicator that there's really nothing that needs to change. |
| 16:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | aesir, what you see as a "problem", Blizzard does not. |
| 16:19.01 | erikd | anyone know of an ulduar icon floating around? (like the ones on the wowjutsu site) |
| 16:19.07 | aesir | I don't speak for Blizz. |
| 16:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | And? |
| 16:19.32 | DWSR | airtonix: Many Steam games don't work on Wine. |
| 16:19.38 | DWSR | airtonix: TrackMania, for one. |
| 16:19.59 | aesir | Lop: So I'm not sure why you'd make the point that Blizz doesn't see this as an issue. It's irrelevant to me. |
| 16:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | I've noticed. |
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| 16:32.34 | OsirisT | let the mod updating begin. |
| 16:33.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yes please! |
| 16:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | Post them here, when you update yours. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16366366956&sid=1 |
| 16:34.46 | amro | COSMOS IS BROKEN |
| 16:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oh my gawd, nooo. |
| 16:37.03 | Etanol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112279 |
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| 16:37.06 | Etanol | seems good, hmm? |
| 16:37.36 | DWSR | Etanol: Talent switching macro? |
| 16:37.43 | ajmitch | so much QQ on wowinsider over curse |
| 16:38.03 | Etanol | DWSR: yes |
| 16:38.23 | Etanol | I assume the gear switch is done automatically with the talent switch |
| 16:39.10 | DWSR | I believe you have to set it up like that in the gear manager, but otherwise yeah. |
| 16:39.21 | DWSR | ajmitch: So much bitching on Curse about WoWM. |
| 16:39.21 | Syzgyn | Bars and glyphs yes, talents no |
| 16:39.30 | DWSR | ...and there was much rejoicing. |
| 16:39.32 | OsirisT | the gear switch is NOT automatic.. you have to do it manually... |
| 16:39.33 | Etanol | Syzgyn: what? |
| 16:39.40 | Syzgyn | rt |
| 16:39.41 | Syzgyn | er |
| 16:39.46 | Syzgyn | wow I messed that up |
| 16:39.58 | Syzgyn | bars and glyphs yes, gear no |
| 16:40.06 | Syzgyn | I need caffeine |
| 16:40.46 | NeoTron | save electrons, use less lines! http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112280 |
| 16:41.02 | NeoTron | remember, there's no gear switch in 3.1 |
| 16:41.28 | Wobin | ajmitch: don't even look at the UI forum then >< |
| 16:41.38 | ajmitch | Wobin: I bet it's a barrel of laughs |
| 16:41.40 | Syzgyn | You could get rid of the if statement even |
| 16:41.50 | Wobin | 20 pages and counting |
| 16:42.16 | Lopeppeppy | sheeple are asshats. |
| 16:42.24 | DWSR | People are assholes. Period. |
| 16:43.07 | nicoli_s | indeed |
| 16:43.41 | Etanol | SetActiveTalentGroup(GetActiveTalentGroup() == 1 and 2 or 1) |
| 16:43.43 | Etanol | how does that work? |
| 16:43.47 | Etanol | and 2 or 1 ??? |
| 16:44.09 | DWSR | Etanol: If the function == 1, then return 2, else 1. |
| 16:44.26 | Etanol | why is there and and then? |
| 16:44.36 | Etanol | s/an/and/ |
| 16:44.37 | OsirisT | unless they took it out of the build from the PTR, yes there is a gear switcher in 3.1 |
| 16:44.43 | Etanol | skjodsaodsa |
| 16:44.48 | Etanol | why is there an and then? |
| 16:44.51 | ZorbaTHut | etanol, note how things like "and" and "or" are defined. "x and y" - if x is neither false nor nil, return y, otherwise return x |
| 16:44.52 | DWSR | Because that's how 1 line ifs are done on one line in Lua? |
| 16:45.04 | ZorbaTHut | "x or y" - if x is neither false nor nil, return x, otherwise return y |
| 16:45.39 | Etanol | I thought and/or only worked for comparing :S |
| 16:45.41 | DWSR | Ah, short-circuit logic. |
| 16:45.46 | ZorbaTHut | "false and 12" is false, "false or 12" is 12. It lets you do very odd stuff, like the "conditional and A or B" trick. |
| 16:45.51 | DWSR | Etanol: You thought wrong. |
| 16:45.58 | DWSR | WRONG I SAY |
| 16:46.07 | DWSR | :D |
| 16:46.30 | Etanol | safpksafdkjdsafjk |
| 16:46.32 | Etanol | WHAT? |
| 16:46.36 | ZorbaTHut | although there's one gotcha that can trip people up - if A is false or nil, it breaks down badly, and you have to be very careful that it's not. |
| 16:46.37 | Etanol | why is the and there? |
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| 16:46.52 | Etanol | I mean |
| 16:47.02 | Etanol | the ´or´ already handles that |
| 16:47.04 | Etanol | or? |
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| 16:47.41 | Etanol | ZorbaTHut: wait, isnt "false or 12" 1? |
| 16:47.51 | Etanol | or, true |
| 16:48.07 | DWSR | Etanol: No, it's 12. |
| 16:48.14 | ajmitch | lua does things differently compared to other languages |
| 16:48.14 | Etanol | ahaaa |
| 16:48.40 | Etanol | wouldnt |
| 16:48.52 | Etanol | SetActiveTalentGroup(GetActiveTalentGroup() == 1 or 2) work then? |
| 16:48.53 | ZorbaTHut | neither "and" nor "or" is guaranteed to return a "true/false" |
| 16:48.54 | Syzgyn | > false or 12 |
| 16:49.03 | DWSR | lua> false or 12 |
| 16:49.03 | lua_bot | DWSR: 12 |
| 16:49.04 | ZorbaTHut | etanol, it'd do the opposite thing ;) |
| 16:49.09 | Thunder_Child | heh, my first thought was rather different from the article http://i.gizmodo.com/5211086/lcd-prices-climbing-during-recession-chinese-farmers-to-blame |
| 16:49.34 | Etanol | ZorbaTHut: why? |
| 16:49.36 | ZorbaTHut | > print(true and 5) print(false and 5) print(true and 5 or 12) print(false and 5 or 12) |
| 16:49.41 | ZorbaTHut | lua> print(true and 5) print(false and 5) print(true and 5 or 12) print(false and 5 or 12) |
| 16:49.41 | lua_bot | ZorbaTHut: 5, false, 5, 12 |
| 16:49.44 | ZorbaTHut | hurr |
| 16:49.59 | ZorbaTHut | etanol, look at that. Work out the process of each one by hand |
| 16:50.58 | DWSR | lua>print(false and true and true) |
| 16:50.59 | lua_bot | DWSR: false |
| 16:51.10 | DWSR | lua> print(false or true or 12) |
| 16:51.11 | lua_bot | DWSR: true |
| 16:51.16 | DWSR | lua> print(false or false or 12) |
| 16:51.16 | lua_bot | DWSR: 12 |
| 16:51.19 | DWSR | mkay.\ |
| 16:52.08 | Etanol | does OR print out the first instance of truth? |
| 16:52.21 | DWSR | both of them do. |
| 16:52.29 | DWSR | lua> print(true and 12) |
| 16:52.30 | lua_bot | DWSR: 12 |
| 16:52.34 | DWSR | eh, nvm. |
| 16:52.39 | Etanol | SetActiveTalentGroup(GetActiveTalentGroup() == 1 and 2 or 1) |
| 16:52.45 | Etanol | please add ()()() to that |
| 16:52.47 | DWSR | and prints the last one, or print's the first one. |
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| 16:52.51 | Etanol | so I know what is interpreted first |
| 16:53.00 | DWSR | Etanol: O_O |
| 16:53.07 | DWSR | in->out |
| 16:53.32 | DWSR | SetActiveTalentGroup(GetActiveTalentGroup() == 1 (2 or 1)) |
| 16:54.08 | NeoTron | Etanol: why? |
| 16:54.12 | Etanol | where did the AND go? |
| 16:54.21 | ZorbaTHut | etanol, SetActiveTalentGroup(((GetActiveTalentGroup() == 1) and 2) or 1) |
| 16:54.31 | DWSR | Etanol: s/and/or/ |
| 16:54.32 | NeoTron | lua> true and 2 or 1 |
| 16:54.32 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 2 |
| 16:54.35 | ZorbaTHut | comparison is highest, and is next, or is last |
| 16:54.36 | NeoTron | lua> false and 2 or 1 |
| 16:54.37 | lua_bot | NeoTron: 1 |
| 16:54.47 | NeoTron | it's just a X ? Y : Z using and/or |
| 16:54.48 | DWSR | oh right, nevermind. Precendence. |
| 16:54.51 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know what dwsr is doing :P |
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| 16:55.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, ignore me. Haven't had sleep. |
| 16:55.06 | DWSR | Coffee + coke ftw. |
| 16:55.35 | ZorbaTHut | hehe, no prob :) |
| 16:55.42 | Lyn | coffee~ |
| 16:55.55 | DWSR | ~coffee |
| 16:55.56 | purl | somebody said coffee was the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage |
| 16:56.13 | DWSR | what's .el? |
| 16:56.31 | VonhintenHOME` | el salvador? |
| 16:57.07 | DWSR | No, the file ext. |
| 16:57.10 | VonhintenHOME` | ah |
| 16:57.36 | VonhintenHOME` | emacs lisp, according to goog |
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| 16:59.07 | Etanol | ~caffeine |
| 16:59.08 | purl | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. |
| 16:59.11 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: /hug |
| 16:59.58 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: (seemed like you needed a hug) |
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| 17:00.35 | DWSR | Speed and java? |
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| 17:00.38 | DWSR | How does that work? |
| 17:00.55 | ckknight | DWSR: we're no longer in 1999 |
| 17:01.01 | ckknight | please join us in the new millenium. |
| 17:01.19 | Shirik | DWSR: Java's hotspot VM is quite impressive |
| 17:01.30 | Shirik | Java is not slow, however many Java programmers do not know what they're doing |
| 17:01.30 | Etanol | hm |
| 17:01.38 | Shirik | admittedly a lot of what Java does might be able to be done faster in C |
| 17:01.45 | Shirik | however it is not "slow" by any standard |
| 17:01.55 | erikd | where's the fun in that, though? |
| 17:01.58 | Thunder_Child | stop giving us opening to bash you Shirik :p |
| 17:02.06 | Thunder_Child | s/opening/openings/ |
| 17:02.19 | Shirik | oh I've been taking sufficient bashing today that it would be unnoticable if I were to take any more |
| 17:02.22 | Shirik | so feel free |
| 17:02.34 | Thunder_Child | well obviously that no fun anymore then |
| 17:02.38 | Lunessa | bashes Shirik, gently. |
| 17:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | gives Shirik a cookie. |
| 17:02.54 | Thunder_Child | thats* |
| 17:02.56 | Syzgyn | pokes Shirik with a stick and runs away |
| 17:03.02 | Shirik | not to mention my phone broke again today |
| 17:03.12 | Fisker- | awesome |
| 17:03.14 | NightHawkTheSane | that's what you get for owning a blackberry. |
| 17:03.16 | Shirik | so it's now sitting at the Verizon store |
| 17:03.19 | Fisker- | i love where this is going Shirik |
| 17:03.20 | Shirik | no, I think I figured out what it is |
| 17:03.22 | NightHawkTheSane | if you joined the googleverse like the rest of us. |
| 17:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | Guys, be nice to Shirik, kk. |
| 17:03.27 | Shirik | I think that it is not weather proof /at all/ |
| 17:03.28 | erikd | iphone! |
| 17:03.36 | Shirik | both times this happened I got maybe 3 raindrops on it |
| 17:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, what are you exposing your phone to? |
| 17:03.45 | Thunder_Child | life |
| 17:03.46 | Fisker- | i lol'd btw |
| 17:03.48 | NightHawkTheSane | that harsh daytona sun? |
| 17:03.59 | Fisker- | someone complained about it being lame you needed internet for google maps |
| 17:03.59 | Shirik | now admittedly DB rain is more acidic than normal |
| 17:04.01 | Fisker- | and i were like |
| 17:04.02 | Shirik | but that's kinda stupid, really |
| 17:04.02 | Fisker- | duh? |
| 17:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, the keyboard of the crackberry does seem to be relatively unsealed and open to the elements. |
| 17:04.39 | DWSR | Shirik: As you know your Java, is there any way to automatically create accessors and modifiers to Java object attributes? (i.e. so I don't have to sit there and type public void setAttrib() {}, etc.) |
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| 17:04.46 | Shirik | However this is really cool |
| 17:05.00 | erikd | nighthawk: do you have a g1 or the dev phone? |
| 17:05.07 | Shirik | This time when it broke, I now periodically get this "Help Me!" screen pop up, saying "Are you experiencing technical problems? If so, give this code to the rep" |
| 17:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: i've got a g1 |
| 17:05.11 | Etanol | I think I got it now |
| 17:05.13 | Etanol | BUT |
| 17:05.14 | Shirik | so it at least knew it was broken |
| 17:05.17 | Etanol | no, lost it |
| 17:05.19 | Shirik | DWSR: Netbeans does it at least |
| 17:05.29 | Shirik | I can't speak for eclipse because I think it's shit |
| 17:05.30 | Lunessa | NhtS - I'm sorry. |
| 17:05.32 | Etanol | ahaaa! |
| 17:05.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: huh? I'm happy with it. |
| 17:05.46 | Etanol | SetActiveTalentGroup(GetActiveTalentGroup() == 1 and 2 or 1) |
| 17:05.50 | Etanol | the |
| 17:05.51 | erikd | ah, i picked up a dev phone and i'm using it on the at&t network. it sucks because the 3g frequency tmobile uses is different so i get slow data connections =/ |
| 17:06.03 | Etanol | (x == 1 and 2) or 1 |
| 17:06.11 | Shirik | if you hit ctrl+space from within a class definition, it'll allow you to auto-generate implementations, overrides, and (what you're looking for) getters and setters, appropriately named |
| 17:06.12 | Etanol | is just for the first to have a return value, right? |
| 17:06.35 | DWSR | Shirik: Is there any way to just tell the VM "these attributes should get accessors and modifiers named get/set<attrib>"? |
| 17:06.41 | Shirik | nope |
| 17:06.44 | Shirik | must be defined within the class |
| 17:06.50 | DWSR | sigh |
| 17:06.58 | Etanol | ZorbaTHut!! |
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| 17:07.17 | Legorol | Etanol: "A and B or C" works like this in Lua: first of all, it's equivalent to "(A and B) or C". Secondly, Lua only evaluates the expression as far as it has to. The end result: |
| 17:07.25 | nevcairiel | DWSR: just use a sane dev environment, and its two clicks to produce those |
| 17:07.30 | Shirik | eew clicks |
| 17:07.34 | DWSR | ^ |
| 17:07.40 | Legorol | if A evaluates to true, then the expression evaluates to B (which could be a number or a string etc.) |
| 17:07.41 | Shirik | However, netbeans can do it with keyboard |
| 17:07.42 | nevcairiel | key binds work too |
| 17:07.48 | nevcairiel | so can eclipse |
| 17:07.49 | Legorol | if A evaluates to false, then the expression evaluates to C |
| 17:07.55 | nevcairiel | and that covers like most of the java environments |
| 17:08.10 | DWSR | Shirik: Eclipse has a feature to do it, but I was wondering if there wasn't some way to just get the VM to generate them automatically like it does for constructors. |
| 17:08.17 | Etanol | but you can change it to (B AND A) OR C, without changing the effect, right? |
| 17:08.23 | Legorol | nope |
| 17:08.26 | Etanol | :/// |
| 17:08.28 | nevcairiel | thats nothing the VM should really do, imho |
| 17:08.38 | Shirik | Etanol: Consider this |
| 17:08.41 | Legorol | Etanol: ok, simpler example. Consider "A and B" and how it's evaluated in Lua |
| 17:08.46 | Shirik | expression: a and b vs. b and a |
| 17:08.48 | Shirik | a = 1, b = 2 |
| 17:08.50 | Legorol | bearing in mind A or B could be a number of stirng etc. |
| 17:08.52 | ZorbaTHut | lua> print(5 and 10) print(10 and 5) |
| 17:08.52 | lua_bot | ZorbaTHut: 10, 5 |
| 17:08.53 | Shirik | The first will be 2, the second would be 1 |
| 17:08.54 | Legorol | yup, what Shirik is doing |
| 17:08.59 | ZorbaTHut | etanol, test this stuff out in lua. experiment. :) |
| 17:09.05 | Legorol | no, don't experiment :) |
| 17:09.06 | Etanol | as far as I know, its true if its not 0 |
| 17:09.09 | Legorol | understand the concepts and theory |
| 17:09.11 | Shirik | wrong |
| 17:09.12 | Shirik | 0 is true |
| 17:09.13 | Legorol | that's wrong |
| 17:09.18 | ZorbaTHut | experiment to determine the concepts and theory ;) |
| 17:09.22 | Legorol | in Lua, everything evaluates to true, except "false" and "nil" |
| 17:09.33 | Legorol | all numbers and strings evaluate to true |
| 17:09.41 | Legorol | this is what Lua does with "A and B": |
| 17:09.45 | Etanol | but why does it choose to return the second value in A AND B |
| 17:10.01 | ZorbaTHut | because that's how "and" is defined |
| 17:10.03 | Lothaer | ~seen Cairenn |
| 17:10.07 | purl | cairenn <n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2h 7m 2s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 17:10.07 | Shirik | ^ |
| 17:10.07 | ZorbaTHut | if a is nil or false, it returns a. otherwise, it returns b. |
| 17:10.10 | Legorol | 1) Evaluate A, and determine if it's true or false. If it's false, you don't need to check any further, the expression just evaluates to A. |
| 17:10.17 | ZorbaTHut | that's what "and" does. That's the definition. |
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| 17:10.34 | Etanol | hm? |
| 17:10.40 | Etanol | 32495239u25+8253fek |
| 17:10.47 | Legorol | 2) If however A evaluates to true, you need check the value of B as well in order to determine the result of AND. So Lua just simply returns B. |
| 17:10.54 | Legorol | Etanol: a few examples |
| 17:10.57 | Shirik | "The conjunction operator and returns its first argument if this value is false or nil; otherwise, and returns its second argument." |
| 17:10.58 | Shirik | Per the manual |
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| 17:11.02 | Legorol | "true and 2" evaluates to 2 |
| 17:11.03 | DWSR | Shirik: How's the updater coming along? I'm salivating over when I can test the beta (if you need help testing alpha, /me raises hand). |
| 17:11.09 | Legorol | "false and 2" evaluates to false |
| 17:11.09 | Etanol | why does it return a if a is nil/false ? |
| 17:11.20 | Etanol | AHA! |
| 17:11.22 | Legorol | so that you can distinguish nil and false |
| 17:11.23 | Etanol | got it ;P |
| 17:11.28 | Legorol | lua> print(false and 2) |
| 17:11.28 | lua_bot | Legorol: false |
| 17:11.32 | Legorol | lua> print(nil and 2) |
| 17:11.32 | lua_bot | Legorol: nil |
| 17:11.39 | Legorol | lua> print(true and 2) |
| 17:11.39 | lua_bot | Legorol: 2 |
| 17:11.41 | Etanol | haha |
| 17:11.47 | Etanol | thanks for having patience with me :P: |
| 17:11.51 | Shirik | DWSR: After today I will have a lot more free time and will hopefully knock out the last few bugs that have been holding back beta |
| 17:12.07 | Legorol | Once you understand how Lua evaluates AND, you can understand how it does OR: |
| 17:12.23 | DWSR | Shirik: Only question I have is: How is the client you're writing going to be different than WoWM? |
| 17:12.27 | DWSR | Other than the fact that it doesn't fail. |
| 17:12.34 | Legorol | "A or B" evaluates to A if it's not nil or false, otherwise it evaluates to B |
| 17:12.38 | DWSR | (I'm refering to ads and such). |
| 17:12.56 | Shirik | Firstly, its bandwidth requirements will be significantly different as it will use an XML API |
| 17:13.00 | Shirik | to retrieve the information |
| 17:13.17 | Legorol | it directs ad revenue to wowi instead of wm's site, for starters? |
| 17:13.50 | Trela_ | As I understand it is the sort of official updater for them. |
| 17:13.56 | Shirik | Secondly, while I'm not sure I should say this yet I will anyway, it /will/ have advertisements for non-premium users... sorta |
| 17:13.56 | Legorol | lua> print(false or 2) |
| 17:13.56 | lua_bot | Legorol: 2 |
| 17:14.00 | Legorol | lua> print(nil or 2) |
| 17:14.00 | lua_bot | Legorol: 2 |
| 17:14.03 | Legorol | lua> print(3 or 2) |
| 17:14.03 | lua_bot | Legorol: 3 |
| 17:14.11 | Shirik | I can't directly address that question as the implementation details haven't been 100% ironed out yet |
| 17:14.20 | DWSR | Legorol: But if people are writing modules for curse, then how does the updater behave any differently than WoWM for Curse? |
| 17:14.28 | Shirik | That's one of those implementation details I need to work out |
| 17:14.31 | DWSR | :) |
| 17:14.33 | Etanol | so the difference between the two is that "and" returns B and "or" returns A if A is true? |
| 17:14.42 | Shirik | I think I'm going to provide an "ad" api so that other modules can provide ad souces |
| 17:14.43 | DWSR | No worries Shirik, just wondering. :) |
| 17:14.44 | Legorol | Etanol: wrong |
| 17:14.47 | Etanol | damn |
| 17:14.51 | Shirik | and it will pick one randomly |
| 17:15.07 | DWSR | Shirik: Is there anyway to force it? |
| 17:15.08 | Kraft | Etanol: http://www.lua.org/pil/3.3.html |
| 17:15.13 | Legorol | Etanol: oops you are right, i read it wrong :) |
| 17:15.21 | Shirik | You have no control over the core or the UI |
| 17:15.22 | Legorol | Etanol: that's what it does exactly |
| 17:15.23 | Shirik | from modules |
| 17:15.38 | DWSR | Shirik: But what's stopping people from writing modules that don't have the ad API? |
| 17:15.41 | Shirik | The core runs modules in sandboxes. In fact, one of the remaining things to add in is something known as a "Security manager" in Java |
| 17:16.00 | Shirik | DWSR: Then it won't supply ads for that module. I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 17:16.07 | Legorol | Etanol: by combining them together, the result is that "(A and B) or C" ends up saying: "if A is true then evaluate to B, otherwise evaluate to C" |
| 17:16.16 | Etanol | aha |
| 17:16.22 | Etanol | thanks! :D |
| 17:16.33 | Legorol | you can check for yourself why it ends up doing that |
| 17:16.45 | Shirik | I can't control what modules people write, really. If someone outside of curse writes a module without ad support and curse wrote one with ad support, well, we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it |
| 17:16.55 | DWSR | shrugs. |
| 17:17.01 | Shirik | Given that it's open source, there are other problems too, such as people removing the ad component entirely |
| 17:17.04 | Shirik | I just hope that people wouldn't do this |
| 17:17.16 | Grum | they will if its too annoying |
| 17:17.17 | DWSR | Shirik: I wouldn't trust people that much. Look at WoWM. |
| 17:17.26 | Shirik | I know, I just hope it remains mostly small-scale |
| 17:17.46 | Shirik | but that's not something I can really address unfortunately |
| 17:17.54 | Legorol | it shouldn't be a bigger problem than people using an adblocker on wowi |
| 17:18.03 | Etanol | I need coffee after learning all that ;) |
| 17:18.03 | Shirik | that's what I'm hoping |
| 17:18.13 | Wobin | Kaelten: Happy Birthday Kaelten =P I hope your birthday actually ends up nicer than what it's been so far =P |
| 17:18.15 | Etanol | ~wowmatrix |
| 17:18.17 | purl | methinks wowmatrix is crap |
| 17:18.20 | DWSR | Legorol: Ad blockers aren't really that bad, depending on the scheme that the ads are used with. |
| 17:18.47 | DWSR | I mean, if sites are getting paid just to show the ads, then they have extremely negligible impact, since the ads are still served. |
| 17:18.48 | Legorol | DWSR: i didn't say they were bad |
| 17:18.49 | Shirik | the interesting thing is, due to the way the ad system is implemented, it may be possible that ad blockers actually block them on the client too :) |
| 17:19.02 | Shirik | but I can't be sure of that |
| 17:19.05 | DWSR | Shirik: If you embed an IEframe? |
| 17:19.16 | DWSR | Shirik: That depends entirely on the implementation of the ad blocker. |
| 17:19.17 | Shirik | I don't directly touch IE, but yes that's the general idea |
| 17:19.20 | ZorbaTHut | 3.1 is going to do some interesting things to enchanting mat prices |
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| 17:19.29 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: TO THE ROOF |
| 17:20.25 | mikma | yeah. now i understand the frustration about DropDronMenus :D |
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| 17:21.17 | Aezay | Is anyone aware if INSPECT_TALENT_READY will give the unit GUID as arg1? |
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| 17:21.56 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 17:21.59 | mikma | aezay: last time someone (you?) asked about it zootfizzle said it's on todo list |
| 17:22.05 | Shirik | Normally I wouldn't quote forum posts in here, but this is pretty win |
| 17:22.15 | Shirik | So in my neighborhood there have always been these guys who drive around in trucks selling TVs and computers and such. It's really convenient and their prices are great. |
| 17:22.16 | nevcairiel | you reading wowmatrix qq? |
| 17:22.16 | Shirik | But just before Christmas I learned that Best Buy hired round-the-clock security guards and suddenly my guys in the trucks stopped coming around. I'm so mad at Best Buy for doing this. What is their problem?! Don't they care about their user base? And to do this right before Christmas no less. If Best Buy doesn't like these guys they should set up a system of trucks that sell stuff for really cheap, too! |
| 17:22.33 | Wobin | zomg |
| 17:22.35 | Wobin | locked thread |
| 17:22.43 | nevcairiel | haha Shirik, awesome analogy |
| 17:22.43 | mikma | where's wowmatrix qq |
| 17:22.49 | mikma | and how has it been "prevented" now? |
| 17:23.03 | Aezay | mikma, yeah, I read the forum saying he wanted to see if he could add it, but I'm just wondering if it made the patch |
| 17:23.05 | nevcairiel | advanced magics on WoWI and Curse mikma |
| 17:23.07 | Kaelten | birthday is tommorrow actually, thanks though :) |
| 17:23.08 | Lopeppeppy | loves Shirik. |
| 17:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | HOPPY BIRTHDAY TOMORROW, KAELTEN! |
| 17:23.26 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 17:23.28 | mikma | nevcairiel: so, how can i test it actually is "dead" now? :D |
| 17:23.47 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten, going to guess....mid 30's |
| 17:23.56 | Thunder_Child | granted is suck at this |
| 17:23.59 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:24.04 | Kaelten | any other quesses? |
| 17:24.06 | Kaelten | guesses |
| 17:24.08 | Thunder_Child | s/is/i/ |
| 17:24.09 | Shirik | HOPPY BIRTHDAY |
| 17:24.12 | Shirik | Kaelten: 22 |
| 17:24.23 | Shirik | hugs Kaelten |
| 17:24.41 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 17:25.35 | Dewin | wow, nice bug. |
| 17:26.01 | Dewin | I left WoW running when I put my computer in hibernate last night, and logged in far enough to give me a server list without starting the 3.1 patch |
| 17:26.21 | Dewin | wonder what would have happened if there was a server that was up |
| 17:26.37 | Etanol | you would have been prompted to download the patch |
| 17:26.46 | Dewin | Usually that happens before the server list pops up |
| 17:26.57 | Etanol | really? |
| 17:27.07 | Shirik | yes, but I'm pretty sure I remember a server verify step |
| 17:27.26 | geargrind | that's because the server list usually doesn't pop up... it goes straight to the last realm you logged in to |
| 17:27.32 | Shirik | in any case, you would probably eventually crash due to not having the necessary data in your mpq files |
| 17:27.44 | geargrind | once you picked a realm it would've probably offered the patch or crashed |
| 17:27.52 | Dewin | I didn't think it would work, I was just curious to see exactly *how* it exploded. |
| 17:28.00 | Wobin | Kaelten: Want me to say how old you're getting? =) |
| 17:28.00 | Shirik | even if you successfully log in, someone's going to eventually link a new item |
| 17:28.02 | Shirik | and then boom |
| 17:28.06 | DWSR | CRASH\ |
| 17:28.20 | Shirik | unless you turn off trade chat |
| 17:28.22 | Shirik | then you might be safe |
| 17:28.29 | Dewin | Shirik: Item stats aren't in the MPQs anyways... a link wouldn't crash me, though seeing a player with the item equiped would |
| 17:28.48 | Shirik | pokes Dewin with a wowhead |
| 17:29.08 | Dewin | I thought that was from the item cache, hmm maybe I'm wrong then |
| 17:29.11 | DWSR | Dewin: Link could be to an item that doesn't exist. |
| 17:29.20 | Aezay | Sure it wouldn't just show those weird chess board boxes, because it cannot find the model? |
| 17:29.21 | DWSR | i.e. a new itemID that doesn't exist in the old dbs,. |
| 17:29.30 | Shirik | if it were from the cache, they would only have items that they've seen |
| 17:29.59 | Dewin | I was misinformed, I thought the client requested the information for a given itemID from the server instead of having it locally. |
| 17:30.01 | Lothaer | 30mins and the servers should be up :D |
| 17:30.05 | Shirik | it does, Dewin |
| 17:30.22 | Shirik | I'm not sure on the details of the implementation |
| 17:30.27 | Dewin | bah, why did they make the patcher not work with wowtorrentex anymore. |
| 17:30.28 | Shirik | but I'm pretty sure it's also client-side |
| 17:31.13 | foxlit | Dewin: probably not intentional |
| 17:31.27 | Dewin | yeah, I doubt it was either. |
| 17:31.54 | durcyn | Dewin: the new gui changed the offset |
| 17:32.03 | Etanol | ClosetGnome:WearSet(GetActiveTalentGroup() == 1 and "DPS" or "PVP") |
| 17:32.06 | Etanol | would that work? |
| 17:32.06 | theorbtwo | I am a bit surprised that they don't simply give us a torrent file. |
| 17:32.44 | Lunessa | "Seriously, don't mess with my beta access. I'll choke a witch like Wayne Brady. " ~Nikolas LAWL |
| 17:32.45 | DWSR | theorbtwo: They used to. |
| 17:32.45 | theorbtwo | lua> a=1; a==1 and "DPS" or "PVP" |
| 17:32.45 | lua_bot | theorbtwo: luabot:1: '=' expected near '==' |
| 17:32.49 | Dewin | is that what broke it? |
| 17:32.51 | Wobin | Meh |
| 17:32.56 | Wobin | Well that thread is now locked =P |
| 17:32.59 | Shirik | theorbtwo: Expressions are not statements in Lua |
| 17:33.01 | Wobin | I can go to bed now |
| 17:33.07 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Oh. |
| 17:33.11 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know when the new arena season tends to start? |
| 17:33.16 | Shirik | today |
| 17:33.19 | End | next week |
| 17:33.25 | Shirik | next week? |
| 17:33.28 | End | there's a week intermission |
| 17:33.29 | Shirik | I thought they already said today |
| 17:33.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:33.31 | Dewin | Shirik: GC said something along the lines as "possibly as soon as apr 21" |
| 17:33.31 | Dashkal | This week is a 'dead' week |
| 17:33.32 | Shirik | I see |
| 17:33.36 | ZorbaTHut | ah, one week. cool, thanks |
| 17:33.50 | Etanol | lua> a=1; print(a == 1 and "True" or "False") |
| 17:33.51 | lua_bot | Etanol: True |
| 17:34.00 | foxlit | "According to a survey of college students Facebook users have lower overall grades than non-users." |
| 17:34.01 | Etanol | lua> a=2; print(a == 1 and "True" or "False") |
| 17:34.01 | lua_bot | Etanol: False |
| 17:34.58 | Etanol | will gearsets NOT be introduced this patch? |
| 17:35.32 | End | they pulled it at the last moment |
| 17:35.34 | End | well |
| 17:35.34 | Dewin | they said they ran out of time |
| 17:35.36 | End | not last moment |
| 17:35.50 | End | but ...2 weeks ago I think? they said it wouldn't make it into this patch |
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| 17:36.07 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* A few weeks give or take. |
| 17:36.19 | Etanol | so still closetgnome for me then :) |
| 17:36.21 | End | we might see it in a minor patch, since it was mostly ready, but who knows |
| 17:36.33 | Dewin | Etanol: How is Closetgnome? |
| 17:36.42 | Etanol | awesome |
| 17:36.42 | Shirik | ok, gotta go to Verizon then back to class |
| 17:36.43 | Shirik | bbl |
| 17:36.49 | Dewin | I'm a fan of Outfitter but since it's discontinued I might be needing a replacement |
| 17:37.01 | Etanol | I have no complaints at all |
| 17:37.10 | Etanol | except for a trinket replace that bugged for some time |
| 17:37.18 | Dewin | Does it support the same sort of automatic switching that Outfitter does? |
| 17:37.20 | Etanol | really slim set creation |
| 17:37.36 | Etanol | hm, I think you need a closetgnome addon for that |
| 17:37.37 | Etanol | wait |
| 17:37.49 | Syzgyn | Do we know if the code for the built in one was left in? |
| 17:37.59 | Etanol | there's alot of closetgnome modules to do that for you |
| 17:38.15 | Dewin | I'll have to look into that then. |
| 17:38.28 | DWSR | Syzgyn: Probably not. |
| 17:38.36 | Etanol | ClosetGnome_Switcher |
| 17:38.39 | Etanol | has that functionality |
| 17:38.46 | Etanol | although I have never needed automatic switching :P |
| 17:38.50 | Syzgyn | I just patched, I'll check |
| 17:40.40 | airtonix | salerack > itemrack > outfitter |
| 17:40.57 | Syzgyn | I liked outfitter |
| 17:40.59 | Lothaer | i just tried to log in and it said unable to validate game version >< |
| 17:41.05 | NeoTron | I stopped using itemrack when I realized it was one of my top CPU using addons while idle |
| 17:41.05 | daev | same Lothaer |
| 17:41.11 | daev | Its just because the realms aren't ready |
| 17:41.12 | End | Lothaer: b.net account? |
| 17:41.14 | Lothaer | im running the repair tool now |
| 17:41.16 | Lothaer | yup |
| 17:41.21 | airtonix | hence why salerack is before itemrack |
| 17:41.22 | Lothaer | got it the day it came out |
| 17:41.24 | NeoTron | Lothaer: or you could just wait until the servers are up |
| 17:41.28 | Lothaer | meh |
| 17:41.29 | daev | ^ :P |
| 17:41.31 | End | un b.netted accounts are fine |
| 17:41.32 | kneeki | Lothaer: I just had the exact same issue, also running repair |
| 17:41.35 | NeoTron | since your install isn't broken.. |
| 17:41.46 | Syzgyn | It's because the authentication servers haven't been updated yet |
| 17:41.48 | Syzgyn | you're fine |
| 17:41.54 | End | they forgot to tell the auth server that the b.net accounts are on 3.1 as well |
| 17:42.00 | End | non b.net seem to be fine though |
| 17:42.01 | Lothaer | lol |
| 17:42.07 | Dewin | I'm still patching since I get a measly 32kbps with Blizzard's downloader :-/ |
| 17:42.09 | Lothaer | diff server |
| 17:42.12 | airtonix | i love 'salerack' for the same reasons i love 'select' |
| 17:42.13 | End | and by fine I mean |
| 17:42.20 | End | you get to empty realm list |
| 17:42.21 | End | :P |
| 17:42.28 | Dagmar | Dewin: Try waiting more than an hour for the torrent to warm up |
| 17:42.35 | Syzgyn | DWSR: EquipmentManager.lua is there |
| 17:42.37 | Dewin | Dagmar: I *always* only get 32kbps from the downloader. |
| 17:42.42 | Lothaer | i think i might update my mods while i wait ;D |
| 17:42.45 | Dagmar | I'll put it another way then |
| 17:42.47 | Dewin | I rely on wowtorrentex to actually download patches |
| 17:42.48 | erikd | does closetgnome let you retrieve and deposit gear sets into/out of the bank? |
| 17:42.51 | Dewin | but it doesn't work :) |
| 17:43.08 | DWSR | Syzgyn: Doesn't mean you can still use it. :P |
| 17:43.09 | NeoTron | erikd: ClosetGnome_Banker |
| 17:43.11 | Dagmar | There's two types of people in this world. People who complain about torrents running slow, and people who know how to maintain equipment properly |
| 17:43.27 | erikd | ah, ok. thanks |
| 17:43.31 | Syzgyn | DWSR: It means the code is there and probably usable |
| 17:43.49 | Lothaer | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 17:43.56 | Dewin | Dagmar: I have no problem with .torrents. I have a problem with Blizzard's lousy torrent app. :-p |
| 17:44.10 | Dagmar | Blizzard's "lousy" torrent app works fine |
| 17:44.14 | DWSR | Syzgyn: Don't bet on it. |
| 17:44.18 | Syzgyn | Of course, they could just not activate the new events |
| 17:44.20 | Syzgyn | that would do it |
| 17:44.38 | foxlit | It has Issues(tm). |
| 17:45.21 | Dewin | Dagmar: Except absolutely failing to do any sort of UPNP, which uTorrent manages just fine. |
| 17:45.33 | Syzgyn | So supposedly 15 minutes till the servers come up.. |
| 17:45.33 | Dagmar | Dewin: Real men know how to forward ports |
| 17:45.54 | Dagmar | It's not a torrent client's job to fix your routing by using an unsecured protocol |
| 17:46.01 | alestane | Dewin: Funny you should mention that. Mine kept thinking it was behind a firewall until I enabled my router's UPnP. |
| 17:46.03 | zenzelezz | I run µTorrent in Wine just because it works and looks so much nicer than the other clients I tried |
| 17:47.08 | kneeki | zenzelezz: I do as well =p |
| 17:47.45 | Thunder_Child | utorrent is close to if not the #1 torrent client |
| 17:47.50 | Dewin | FWIW, even before I had problems (i.e. actually had the router set up just for the downloader, which IIRC only works for one computer at a time) I still got a huge speedup using utorrent over the downloader. |
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| 17:48.51 | Dagmar | uTorrent won't pull over HTTP when no seeds are available |
| 17:49.27 | foxlit | And therefore I suggest the following: you implement your own client. In Lua. |
| 17:49.38 | Dagmar | There we go. That'll shut him up |
| 17:50.01 | Dewin | I have plenty of seeds available, and sure it will it just won't finish until one of the non-utorrent using peers does. |
| 17:50.47 | foxlit | It's curious that blizzard is actively seeding the 3.0.9-3.1.0 enGB patch. |
| 17:53.16 | Dewin | Of course, I do have another torrent client that can pull from HTTP hosts at the same time, but it works pretty lousy on the torrent side too. |
| 17:53.23 | zenzelezz | foxlit: how so? |
| 17:53.35 | Dagmar | Dewin: Write your own client and stop annoying the crap out of those of us who know how bittorrent works |
| 17:53.36 | Etanol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/112290 |
| 17:53.38 | Etanol | done |
| 17:53.38 | foxlit | EU realms aren't down yet |
| 17:54.08 | zenzelezz | oh, duh... good point |
| 17:54.11 | foxlit | So presumably there shouldn't be that many peers trying to get that patch -- unless they've switched the preload to it. |
| 17:54.27 | Dewin | Dagmar: I know how Bittorrent works, stop saying I don't. I'm complaining about Blizzard's *client*. |
| 17:54.47 | End | hm |
| 17:55.15 | Dagmar | Dewin: And then you go on to say things that let us know you don't have a clue |
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| 17:55.35 | NeoTron | of course instead of complaining about blizztorrent |
| 17:55.58 | NeoTron | you can just download it from filefront or something - http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21079&categoryId=2326&parentCategoryId=&pageNumber=1 |
| 17:56.01 | Dewin | Dagmar: If it's a problem with my routing setup then why do the downloads go perfectly fine in any other torrent downloader? |
| 17:56.07 | NeoTron | http://files.filefront.com/WoW+Patch+310+Full+enUS+Windows+Zip/;13598854;/fileinfo.html specifically |
| 17:56.25 | Dagmar | Dewin: Could be any one of a dozen reasons |
| 17:57.01 | Dagmar | Could be that you can't see a bunch of sliding bars and flashing lights on the Blizz client, so you assume it's not working or not doing anything. |
| 17:57.46 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, it might be that the 3.0.9 is not integrated with 3.1 |
| 17:59.13 | Dewin | meh, I'm done arguing. |
| 17:59.48 | Dewin | Connection info (and the corresponding amount of time it took to download 20 MB, which would have been maybe a minute in utorrent) tells me that it really isn't working, not that it just looks like it isn't working. |
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| 18:00.50 | Nuckin | There's a type on the 3.1 addon survival guide |
| 18:00.55 | Nuckin | typo* |
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| 18:01.27 | Lopeppeppy | Can you link where you're seeing it, Nyckin? |
| 18:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | Nuckin, yes, Peppy can spell gud. |
| 18:01.45 | Nuckin | haha |
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| 18:01.54 | Nuckin | well MetaHud is not updated |
| 18:02.07 | Nuckin | http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 18:02.13 | Nuckin | 3rd addon down on the right |
| 18:02.19 | Dagmar | Dewin: That you're doing *anything* with segments of time less than at least ten minutes shows that you *really* have no idea how to measure torrents |
| 18:02.22 | Nuckin | I do program and alternative though |
| 18:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | It might not be "updated", but if it works in 3.1, it might be included anyway. |
| 18:02.45 | Nuckin | it doesnt |
| 18:02.59 | Nuckin | doesnt even work with 3.0.2 |
| 18:03.25 | Nuckin | my alternative is: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11374-MetaHud-NuckinBranch.html |
| 18:03.42 | Trela_ | Nuckin: IceHUD works just as well or better. :D |
| 18:03.54 | Nuckin | IceHUD is bloated imo |
| 18:04.15 | Nuckin | sorryh |
| 18:04.27 | Nuckin | i don't mean to insult, its just not my taste |
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| 18:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying to find you an easy way to contact someone to get it fixed, Nuckin... not sure who's "on deck" for WoWI right now. |
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| 18:04.42 | Nuckin | thats why i updated MetaHud |
| 18:05.12 | Trela_ | ...OH. Maybe I should read names of who does what before I say things. |
| 18:05.24 | Nuckin | lol |
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| 18:05.45 | Nuckin | Trela_: no hard feelings =P |
| 18:06.00 | Trela_ | I used MetaHUD before, fixed it when it broke, and then gave up to use IceHUD since it had rune support. |
| 18:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | Nuckin, you could try posting here. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16366377364&sid=1 |
| 18:06.21 | ZorbaTHut | nuckin, <3 for keeping Metahud working |
| 18:06.38 | Nuckin | well i will admit that my rune support for metahud 7.x is pitiful |
| 18:06.38 | ZorbaTHut | I've been using it since before level 70, and was very sad when it broke |
| 18:07.43 | Nuckin | Trela_: I would ask that you give metahud another shot when i release v30100-8.0 in a week or so, its DK rune support is amazing, since its still in beta, only i get to use it :) |
| 18:07.52 | Dewin | Dgamar: It took 40 minutes to download the only 20 MB I was missing from the background downloader. When wowtorrentex worked in the past I could download the entire patch in that time if not less time. The problem is the p2p side of the Blizzard downloader usually manages to only talk to a grand total of 6-7 peers none of which actually want to share any data (1.5MB of that 20MB was from the p2p side). uTorrent usually is dealing wit |
| 18:08.14 | ZorbaTHut | nuckin, public beta! publiiiic beeeeeta |
| 18:08.20 | Lothaer | damn still cant log in on my b.net account |
| 18:08.23 | Nuckin | ZorbaThut: no problem, i enjoy programming for the API and enjoy the positive feedback from you guys :) |
| 18:08.27 | DWSR | UGH |
| 18:08.31 | Wobin | wow |
| 18:08.33 | DWSR | "Cannot validate game version" |
| 18:08.35 | Wobin | this thread is actually civil |
| 18:08.36 | DWSR | And maintenance extends./ |
| 18:08.36 | Lothaer | yup |
| 18:08.39 | Lopeppeppy | Lothaer, is it a known issue in the CSF forum? |
| 18:08.40 | Wobin | I'm so impressed =) |
| 18:08.41 | Trela_ | I have IceHUD perfectly laid out for my custom interface. <.<;; |
| 18:08.49 | ZorbaTHut | a major Blizzard patch, resulting in delays? |
| 18:08.50 | ZorbaTHut | SHOCKING |
| 18:08.55 | Kirov | I use my diablo globes. |
| 18:08.55 | DWSR | Anyone know how to fix "Cannot validate game version"? |
| 18:08.56 | ZorbaTHut | never have I heard such a thing |
| 18:08.58 | DWSR | I just patched and fail. |
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| 18:09.01 | Wobin | It's like all the vitirol was expended in that other thread |
| 18:09.08 | Nuckin | Trela_: thats fine, its all your choice :) |
| 18:09.08 | ZorbaTHut | at least they're better than CCP though |
| 18:09.11 | DWSR | (unless that's just to do with the extended maintenance) |
| 18:09.11 | Dewin | DWSR: It's an issue with bnet accounts is what I heard here earlier. |
| 18:09.21 | ZorbaTHut | oh, CCP. why are you so bad at maintenance |
| 18:09.26 | DWSR | Dewin: So it's not my end? |
| 18:09.31 | Dewin | which means I'll probably be hitting it in about 2 minutes myself. |
| 18:09.41 | Nuckin | ZorbaTHut: there is a public beta actually, but i do require the beta testers to give me some feedback |
| 18:09.45 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.jpg <3 |
| 18:09.48 | Dewin | In fact, I can verify it since I have access to one bnet and one non-bnet account. |
| 18:09.54 | PProvost | Cairenn|afk or Dolby - Is there a status update somewhere about the new wowi client? The link in the "announcement" yesterday pointed to the old client. |
| 18:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16366387337&sid=1 |
| 18:10.18 | DWSR | PProvost: Under development. |
| 18:10.28 | Dewin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16365827040&pageNo=1&sid=1#13 also. |
| 18:10.30 | PProvost | I understand that. |
| 18:10.32 | DWSR | PProvost: Shirik said that the new client will be out for public beta Soon(tm). |
| 18:10.45 | Nuckin | Why does everyone depend on auto-updaters for their addons? |
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| 18:10.54 | PProvost | Because they run lots of addons? |
| 18:10.56 | Dagmar | Because they're lazy prats |
| 18:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | Nuckin: 'cause the easy path is the one people walk down. |
| 18:10.57 | Jamash | 'cause it's easier |
| 18:11.04 | Lopeppeppy | And sheeple are asshats. |
| 18:11.18 | Nuckin | Lopeppeppy: psht, i find it easier and more efficient to manually update |
| 18:11.24 | Dagmar | ...and in some cases, they're too stupid to even be able to find their own addons directory |
| 18:11.31 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a hundred addons or so. no way do I want to update those manually |
| 18:11.36 | PProvost | Wow! No elitist asshats here! |
| 18:11.37 | ZorbaTHut | I just want to push the "GO" button |
| 18:11.39 | alestane | Don't you see that broad, broad road/that lies across the lily leaven? That is the road to wickedness/though some call it the road to heav'n. |
| 18:11.39 | Dagmar | Sadly, I ran into yet another one like that this weekend |
| 18:11.48 | Nuckin | what do you need ONE HUNDRED addons for? |
| 18:11.57 | Jamash | ZorbaTHut: same |
| 18:11.57 | PProvost | Because I hate the stock UI? |
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| 18:11.58 | ZorbaTHut | nuckin, I've sort of accumulated them over time. |
| 18:11.59 | DWSR | Nuckin: Want to see my UI? |
| 18:12.06 | DWSR | Nuckin: /me has ~300 |
| 18:12.07 | ZorbaTHut | the only part of my UI that's original is the minimap :D |
| 18:12.10 | Dewin | I partially autoupdate and partially do it by hand. I typically read changelogs before updating. |
| 18:12.11 | PProvost | I have appx 200 |
| 18:12.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I even removed that. :) |
| 18:12.15 | Dewin | ZorbaTHut: ricominimap |
| 18:12.17 | PProvost | Probably less |
| 18:12.19 | PProvost | Always changing |
| 18:12.19 | Dagmar | Freaking walked her through installing 7Zip, got her to uncompress freaking QuestHelper into both the "vista places" and the XP location for them, and it still doesn't work. |
| 18:12.22 | ZorbaTHut | I just haven't felt the need to change it |
| 18:12.24 | Nuckin | wow, i have maybe 20, if that |
| 18:12.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like a UI mod can change it significantly anyway |
| 18:12.35 | ZorbaTHut | nuckin, and that is why you update manually, and we use tools ;) |
| 18:12.37 | Dagmar | After 20 minutes I just said eff it, "Install the Curse client and try that" |
| 18:12.37 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, but Chinchilla is nice. :) |
| 18:12.51 | Nuckin | Chinchilla is nice |
| 18:13.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Also, do you have any mods that replace the default paper doll frame? |
| 18:13.09 | DWSR | (i.e. character tab)? |
| 18:13.15 | Nuckin | well i find that the blizzard UI does a lot of operations very nicely |
| 18:13.19 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, no, most of my blizzard windows are actually entirely untouched |
| 18:13.22 | DWSR | Nuckin: I....don't. |
| 18:13.29 | airtonix | inb4qq |
| 18:13.38 | ZorbaTHut | I've got doublewide addons for crafting and questing, but besides that all of my changes are with the main screen |
| 18:13.43 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Hmm...do you use Skinner (or something else)? |
| 18:13.49 | NeoTron | I only have 228 addon dirs. :P |
| 18:13.54 | DWSR | rofl |
| 18:14.04 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, haven't heard of it :) |
| 18:14.07 | NeoTron | wonder how many of them are libraries |
| 18:14.12 | ZorbaTHut | my big UI changing addons are Pitbull and Bartender |
| 18:14.13 | Nuckin | DWSR: i have yet to find an action bar addon that actually works 100% of the time, tried Bongos, Bartender, Thek!Bar, none of them reliable |
| 18:14.15 | Dewin | Neotron: Wow, I have *exactly* 228 addon dirs too. |
| 18:14.19 | ZorbaTHut | most of the rest is utility addons or smaller-scale ones |
| 18:14.23 | NeoTron | how special! |
| 18:14.25 | DWSR | Nuckin: Bartender works just fine here. |
| 18:14.30 | DWSR | What doesn't work 100% of the time? |
| 18:14.40 | Dewin | oh never mind, 225 and 3 readme.txt's in the main folder |
| 18:14.42 | Nuckin | Dewin: is that including the blizzard ones? |
| 18:14.51 | Dewin | yes. |
| 18:14.55 | alestane | Maintenance extended, no shock there. |
| 18:14.59 | airtonix | Nuckin, since you refer to it as bongos, i might assume you havent updated it to the new version which is called dominos |
| 18:14.59 | NeoTron | mine excludes the blizzard ones |
| 18:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice, alestane. It's patch day, they always run long. |
| 18:15.07 | Jamash | is shocked. |
| 18:15.14 | NeoTron | alestane: I don't understand why they don't say "will be up by 3pm PST" or something |
| 18:15.23 | Dewin | I sure hope you have Zoom installed :) |
| 18:15.25 | DWSR | NeoTron: Because it's PDT? |
| 18:15.25 | Nuckin | DWSR: some minor bugs but the biggest thing is not being updated on patch day consistently |
| 18:15.26 | NeoTron | they have NEVER hit the initial estimation on patch day so fix the estimates! |
| 18:15.26 | airtonix | Nuckin, which I might add has been called dominos for nearly a year now |
| 18:15.28 | Dewin | or something similar. |
| 18:15.29 | Dagmar | Nuckin: I would *like* to say you should try Macaroon, but something he did in the 3.1.x changes seems to have broken the possess bar a bit |
| 18:15.33 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: all their maintenance seems to run long, they need to either get better processes or extend their windows |
| 18:15.34 | alestane | NeoTron: Wishful thinking? |
| 18:15.35 | NeoTron | Dewin: PST/PDT whatever :P |
| 18:15.36 | |Jelly| | "soon" |
| 18:15.39 | Nuckin | airtonix: just havent used it in *that* long |
| 18:15.40 | |Jelly| | All I'm saying. |
| 18:15.46 | Lopeppeppy | Soon |
| 18:15.57 | DWSR | Nuckin: Bartender is usually updated before patch day. I haven't had a problem with it since I installed it on 3.0.2 |
| 18:15.59 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, it's still better than CCP ;) |
| 18:16.01 | Dagmar | Nuckin: It still might be worth trying since it looks like it was documented as a fix to work with the 3.1 client, so he might have just not cared if it broke on the 3.0 client |
| 18:16.09 | Dewin | NeoTron: Your IRC replies need more hit rating. |
| 18:16.12 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: CCP = russia? :P |
| 18:16.25 | Jamash | that's CCCP |
| 18:16.27 | Dewin | CCP is Eve isn't it? |
| 18:16.32 | Jamash | CCP = EvE |
| 18:16.32 | Thunder_Child | they really should say a really late time that way when they finish early everyone is happy instead of bitching because it went over |
| 18:16.35 | Nuckin | oh crap my professor is starting to write things on the board |
| 18:16.36 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, Eve |
| 18:16.40 | ZorbaTHut | daily hour-long downtime |
| 18:16.41 | Nuckin | i might need to pay attention! |
| 18:16.47 | ZorbaTHut | about 25% of the time they ran late |
| 18:16.57 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes many hours late, and they never, *never* said it would be more than "15 minutes late" |
| 18:16.58 | AckisWork | swg had daily downtime |
| 18:16.58 | Thunder_Child | Nuckin, thats what a webcap pointed at the board is for |
| 18:17.04 | Thunder_Child | webcam* |
| 18:17.16 | DWSR | Major patch = extended maintenance. |
| 18:17.19 | ZorbaTHut | "this time it's really going to be 15 minutes guys! no, wait *this* time it is. Alright *this* time" |
| 18:17.27 | Nuckin | Thunder_Child: im on a netbook! lol |
| 18:17.32 | DWSR | Anyone remember when maintenance fucked up so hard the realms were down for ~48 hours and they gave everyone a free day? |
| 18:17.32 | ZorbaTHut | we pretty much assumed that any major patch was going to run 12 hours late. Sometimes it did. |
| 18:17.40 | Thunder_Child | Nuckin, you dont have a usb port? |
| 18:17.41 | Dewin | has met some of the CCP devs. |
| 18:17.47 | Nuckin | DWSR: i do |
| 18:17.55 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.07 | DWSR | Nuckin: Some sub-notebooks (yes, Subnotebook) have cams. |
| 18:18.08 | airtonix | sigh |
| 18:18.15 | Dagmar | You *used* to be able to get them with Linux installed" |
| 18:18.19 | DWSR | Nuckin: Yeah, that was hilarious because it was like some holiday. |
| 18:18.22 | airtonix | netbook != microsoft |
| 18:18.27 | Dagmar | ...and then I'm pretty sure Microsoft did some strong-arming |
| 18:18.29 | Nuckin | Dagmar: i do all my WoWI programming on a netbook |
| 18:18.55 | Nuckin | DWSR: it has a cam, but its built in, can't point it at the board |
| 18:18.59 | Dagmar | Nuckin: I don't have a problem with them, but I have a problem with that all of a sudden, no one stocks the netbooks that run Linux anymore |
| 18:19.07 | DWSR | Nuckin: Some built ins you can. |
| 18:19.11 | Dewin | Nuckin: Clearly the solution is to sit with your back to the professor. |
| 18:19.12 | foxlit | I wonder what gives. |
| 18:19.16 | Thunder_Child | Nuckin, U S B |
| 18:19.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: HP |
| 18:19.20 | Dagmar | That would explain how Microsoft increased their market share without actually changing the number of netbooks sold |
| 18:19.34 | Dagmar | DWSR: Is there an HP store here somewhere? |
| 18:19.36 | Nuckin | Thunder_Child: but thats extra money |
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| 18:19.44 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:19.50 | Thunder_Child | Nuckin, $20-25? |
| 18:19.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: shop.hp.com |
| 18:19.54 | Nuckin | Thunder_Child: nor can i just pull one out of my ass right now lol |
| 18:19.59 | Dagmar | DWSR: Three months ago, I could go into Walmart and buy one with Ubuntu on it |
| 18:20.00 | DWSR | It's right in front of you |
| 18:20.07 | Trela_ | Maybe I should have actually tested my AddOn against 3.1 before marking it as compatible with 3.1. |
| 18:20.11 | Thunder_Child | Nuckin, i didnt mean now |
| 18:20.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: Go to Staples? They sell them. |
| 18:20.17 | Nuckin | Thunder_Child: but it is cute that you want to see what i look like ;-) lol |
| 18:20.20 | Jamash | Trela_: lol |
| 18:20.24 | Dagmar | DWSR: Not here |
| 18:20.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: Unfortunate for you |
| 18:20.37 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Nuckin |
| 18:20.37 | purl | keeps mailing Nuckin free America Online CDs until he drowns |
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| 18:20.41 | Dagmar | Lame for everyone |
| 18:20.42 | Trela_ | If it actually breaks, I will be amazed. |
| 18:20.47 | airtonix | Dagmar, not that it's hard to install ubuntu. my grandma does it |
| 18:20.49 | Dagmar | It might as well be back to zero competition |
| 18:21.08 | Dagmar | airtonix: Good luck doing it when the netbook doesn't usually come with an optical drive |
| 18:21.17 | Nuckin | Thunder_Child: lol, i only have AOL floppy disks! |
| 18:21.26 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 18:21.27 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 18:21.35 | Wobin | My netbook has a cam |
| 18:21.43 | Wobin | but yeah, it's set above the monitor |
| 18:21.43 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Nuckin |
| 18:21.44 | purl | Nuckin, you Fail! |
| 18:21.48 | Wobin | so it only points towards you |
| 18:22.03 | Nuckin | purl: hahaha |
| 18:22.04 | purl | from memory, hahaha is http://www.shacknews.com//screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg Win 98 Increased Dependability...NOT |
| 18:22.21 | Wobin | that was random =P |
| 18:22.27 | Dagmar | I was about to buy one of the things this weekend, because the cost difference between that and a new battery for my Vaio is pretty negligible, but I'm not fucking paying for another goddamn copy of Windows XP |
| 18:22.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: Gentoo from USB stick, kthx. |
| 18:22.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: In fact.......<insert OS of choice> from USB stick, kthx. |
| 18:22.50 | Dagmar | DWSR: I'd rather shove the USB stick up my butt and keep it there for a week, kthx |
| 18:23.00 | Thunder_Child | that was rather random |
| 18:23.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, just install from the USB stick. |
| 18:23.01 | Lothaer | if your ever having a bad day (like blizz does on patch days) and your dealing with someone that has a attitude just say DILLIGAF |
| 18:23.11 | Thunder_Child | should have been a min ME joke tbh |
| 18:23.14 | Dagmar | Dude, you're telling someone who does unattended NFS installs and network restores *at home* how to install |
| 18:23.16 | Thunder_Child | s/min/win/ |
| 18:23.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're bitching about installing without an optical media. You tell me? |
| 18:24.03 | JackBurton7676 | can quartz unit frames be set to only show when in combat? |
| 18:24.26 | Dagmar | DWSR: If you were paying attention, you'd see I was bitching about the fact that Linux-installed netbooks are simply *not* being stocked anymore apparently |
| 18:24.34 | Aezay | Hmm, is there any pattern in a character creation date and their unit GUID? |
| 18:24.40 | Dagmar | I woulnd't *need* to install if the damn thing just came with Ubuntu to begin with |
| 18:24.49 | Aezay | Smaller GUID = Older character |
| 18:24.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: How's that any different than any of the computer manufacturers not shipping computers with Linux (save Dell). |
| 18:25.07 | Dewin | Aezay: Consdiering how GUIDs are generated, I don't think it's a simple incremental thing. |
| 18:25.18 | Dagmar | DWSR: Because six months ago, they were flying off shelves with Linux installed |
| 18:25.26 | DWSR | Dagmar: How's that any different than any of the computer manufacturers not shipping computers with Linux (save Dell). |
| 18:25.56 | Dagmar | ...which means that there was no Microsoft tax on those machines |
| 18:26.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: How's that any different than any of the computer manufacturers not shipping computers with Linux (save Dell). |
| 18:26.05 | DWSR | You haven't answered my question. |
| 18:26.08 | Lothaer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgcy6bsg4g |
| 18:26.14 | Dagmar | You haven't asked one that makes any sensse. |
| 18:26.14 | Lothaer | its pretty godd |
| 18:26.17 | Lothaer | good* |
| 18:26.20 | Lothaer | watch it |
| 18:26.36 | Dagmar | I should think it's perfectly obvious the difference between mail order and getting something in a store. |
| 18:26.37 | DWSR | There is no (i.e. 0, false, nil) difference between manufacturers shipping netbooks with Windows only vs. shipping laptops/desktops with Windows only. |
| 18:26.42 | Aezay | Dewin, just noticed new characters, such as blood elves and death knights seem to have a higher GUID compared to other races |
| 18:26.43 | frewsxcv | is there a wow general channel on irc somwehre? |
| 18:27.04 | kneeki | Lothaer: lawler |
| 18:27.06 | Nuckin | Thunder_Child: send me a pm on WoWI if you want to be in for the close 8.0 beta of metahud |
| 18:27.24 | Dagmar | DWSR: I should also think that three times me saying "Linux *was* being sold with netbooks that were being stocked on store shelves" should be enough |
| 18:27.40 | Dewin | Aezay: Hmm, maybe then. |
| 18:27.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: That doesn't change the fact that it isn't being shipped NOW, or the fact that it's exactly the same as what happened to desktops. |
| 18:28.06 | DWSR | Microsoft doesn't back a new technology until they can be reasonably certain it will fly and generate profit. |
| 18:28.12 | Lothaer | its pretty good huh kneeki |
| 18:28.13 | Dagmar | DWSR: Or that the sun is considered predominantly yellow |
| 18:28.15 | foxlit | Poor Brann :/ |
| 18:28.19 | kneeki | Haha yeah |
| 18:28.31 | Dagmar | ...none of which has anything to do with anti-competitive practices |
| 18:28.31 | DWSR | Nuckin: Can I too? :P |
| 18:28.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: So class action. |
| 18:28.54 | DWSR | You're a consumer, vote with your dollar and defend yourself. |
| 18:28.57 | Dagmar | DWSR: So do you *have* a point? |
| 18:29.22 | Nuckin | DWSR: sure, i just require some feedback on bugs n' such |
| 18:29.22 | DWSR | yes. Less QQ plz. |
| 18:29.30 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: nope, just the lua version |
| 18:29.33 | jnwhiteh | but i have them both |
| 18:29.34 | DWSR | Nuckin: Lemme reg a WoWI account. |
| 18:29.36 | jnwhiteh | if you have changes =) |
| 18:29.36 | Dagmar | DWSR: I won't QQ if you don't troll |
| 18:29.50 | foxlit | The PHP one has an infinite loop in one of the cases. |
| 18:29.51 | DWSR | You QQed before I started trolling you. QQ is like blood in the water. |
| 18:30.07 | Dagmar | DWSR: Trolling is like urine in the brain |
| 18:30.32 | Dagmar | How about you realize that sometimes, complaints are justified and don't need someone trying to rub salt into things. |
| 18:30.33 | DWSR | Dagmar: Less QQ plz. |
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| 18:30.41 | Dagmar | DWSR: Stop QQing about it |
| 18:30.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: Since when? |
| 18:30.58 | DWSR | everyone complains all the time about everything. |
| 18:30.59 | Dagmar | DWSR: Since at least the 1800's |
| 18:31.21 | Lothaer | Chuck Norris is the reason why waldo is hiding |
| 18:31.25 | DWSR | The way I look at it is like this: Do something about it or prepare to be trolled. |
| 18:31.51 | Dagmar | ...certainly at least since Amy Vanderbilt wrote that book on etiquette which clearly, you've never read. |
| 18:32.05 | Wobin | Lothaer: I'm sick of belf singers in the machinma |
| 18:32.13 | Lothaer | WTF is etiquette lol |
| 18:32.26 | Dagmar | Lothaer: It's a fancy word for "not being a d*ck to people" |
| 18:32.30 | Lothaer | they Im So Sick one was pretty hot though :D |
| 18:32.39 | AckisWork | @project CNF |
| 18:32.41 | Repo | AckisWork: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cnf/. Chuck Norris Facts. Game: WoW. Ackis (Manager/Author), Lothaer (Author). Updated: 26 days ago. Tickets: 1/5 |
| 18:32.43 | DWSR | Loath: Link plz. |
| 18:32.49 | AckisWork | kekekeke |
| 18:32.50 | Wobin | yeah, but I want other races to sing |
| 18:32.51 | Lothaer | <--- Aussie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI |
| 18:33.03 | Lothaer | get to work ackis |
| 18:33.08 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:33.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Either that or I choose to ignore it. |
| 18:33.26 | foxlit | and the palette channel indices are off. |
| 18:33.27 | AckisWork | Lothaer: NEVAR!!!! :P PS U STINK keke |
| 18:33.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: Since this is the internet and I don't know you. |
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| 18:33.42 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 18:33.45 | DWSR | mask of anonymity WEE |
| 18:33.45 | Lothaer | thats your mum your smelling Ackis |
| 18:33.49 | Dagmar | Ah, so that's what makes it okay then. You can be a d*ck to people you don't know. |
| 18:33.56 | Dagmar | I'm sure that plan will get you far in life. |
| 18:33.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: Never had road rage obviously. :) |
| 18:34.02 | AckisWork | tackles Zootfizzle and force-feeds him cookies!!!!!! |
| 18:34.03 | Wobin | nods |
| 18:34.11 | Lothaer | being a dick over the internet is alot easier than being a dick IRL |
| 18:34.11 | Zootfizzle | acks! |
| 18:34.11 | Wobin | DILLIGAF |
| 18:34.12 | AckisWork | Lothaer: no doubt, she's dead :P |
| 18:34.28 | Lothaer | so thats why she didnt move around much |
| 18:34.31 | AckisWork | Zootfizzle: be careful not to ackIs ahahhaha |
| 18:34.35 | DWSR | Lothaer: I can be an asshole IRL too, I just tend to be much more of an asshole on IRC since....people just QQ more. |
| 18:34.36 | AckisWork | ok that was a bad joke |
| 18:34.41 | AckisWork | i'm going back to my cave |
| 18:34.53 | Lothaer | pft you mean rock |
| 18:34.59 | Lothaer | you cant afford a cave yet |
| 18:35.03 | AckisWork | :( |
| 18:35.07 | AckisWork | UR MOM IS A CAVE |
| 18:35.11 | Dagmar | Except IRL, people who behave like that have no friends. |
| 18:35.12 | Lothaer | I KNOW |
| 18:35.19 | Dagmar | So I suspect it doesn't come up much. |
| 18:35.25 | Lothaer | or they're Americans "D |
| 18:35.28 | AckisWork | Dagmar: I have no friends, will yo ube mine? |
| 18:35.29 | Lothaer | oo no i didnt |
| 18:35.33 | AckisWork | ~Lothaer++ |
| 18:35.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Soulsbane (n=chatzill@174.32.26.128) |
| 18:35.38 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:35.39 | erikd | ooh, i won't need to use closetgnome after all |
| 18:35.43 | DWSR | ~lothaer += 10 |
| 18:35.47 | DWSR | That doesn't work, does it. |
| 18:36.03 | DWSR | ~othaer++ |
| 18:36.06 | Lothaer | lol im 23 Male and i live in Australia |
| 18:36.13 | Lothaer | once again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmUKVrT0iI |
| 18:36.14 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:36.17 | DWSR | ~Lthaer++ |
| 18:36.28 | Nuckin | Nuckin: 10. GOTO Line 10; |
| 18:37.03 | DWSR | sigh |
| 18:37.07 | DWSR | ~Loathaer++ |
| 18:37.08 | Lothaer | Rook to D12 |
| 18:37.14 | Lothaer | yes DWSR |
| 18:38.24 | Dewin | Lothaer: D12? What kind of interesting chessboard is this? |
| 18:38.29 | Lothaer | One Two Freddies coming for you. |
| 18:38.34 | Lothaer | its my chest board :D |
| 18:38.43 | erikd | anyone know if mundocani is on irc anywhere? |
| 18:39.03 | DWSR | http://www.wowinterface.com/page-comic.html <- :d |
| 18:39.09 | DWSR | ~seen mundocani |
| 18:39.13 | purl | i haven't seen 'mundocani', DWSR |
| 18:39.20 | Lothaer | not seen |
| 18:39.29 | Thunder_Child | that only covers channels that has purl in it however |
| 18:39.35 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:39.42 | Lothaer | worth a shot :D |
| 18:39.56 | Lothaer | ~Chuck Norris |
| 18:39.57 | purl | methinks chuck norris is and there is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist. |
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| 18:40.50 | DWSR | fail |
| 18:41.15 | DWSR | No purl, Chuck Norris is so fast that he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head. |
| 18:42.08 | erikd | capatchas that are impossible to read suck |
| 18:42.13 | Lothaer | Chuck Norris was born when the Unstoppable force met the immovable object |
| 18:42.54 | DWSR | If, by some incredible space-time paradox, Chuck Norris were ever to go back in time and fight himself, he's win. Period. |
| 18:43.30 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/11/funny-pictures-linux/ |
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| 18:44.33 | DWSR | Lolspeak needs to die. |
| 18:45.00 | kamdis | hugs Kaelten and Cairenn|afk. |
| 18:45.24 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/614/i_know_chmod.jpg |
| 18:45.31 | Wobin | zomg, can shamans nerf their way through frogger with totems? |
| 18:45.33 | Kaelten | :D |
| 18:45.33 | Trela_ | MAKE THIS DAY END! |
| 18:45.45 | Kaelten | Trela_: still trying to figure out my flash? ;) |
| 18:45.57 | Trela_ | No, slow day at work. |
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| 18:47.00 | Kaelten | ah, lol |
| 18:47.05 | Kaelten | I'm at work right now :D |
| 18:47.10 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:47.20 | Lothaer | if only i could get paid for playing wow |
| 18:47.57 | Nuckin | the almighty Kaleten |
| 18:47.58 | Kaelten | I never get to play :( |
| 18:48.07 | Kaelten | I've never even raided |
| 18:48.09 | Nuckin | Kaelten*** |
| 18:48.23 | Lothaer | all work and no play makes Kaelten very crumpy |
| 18:48.40 | Kaelten | lol |
| 18:48.46 | Trela_ | Kaelten is a level thirty three space mage. :O |
| 18:49.04 | Lothaer | lol |
| 18:49.36 | VonhintenHOME` | Ahha! Finally I find the reason why my focus target is constantly going away... |
| 18:49.38 | Lothaer | thats why mages get "higher" than any class |
| 18:49.58 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm focusing my rogue buddy, and Killing Spree is causing it |
| 18:50.04 | Kaelten | I have a 36 mage with 40+ days of playtime! |
| 18:51.15 | mikma | haste: http://www.students.tut.fi/~laine87/juttuja/asennus.png |
| 18:51.35 | Nuckin | so any of the WoWI admins hanging out? |
| 18:51.48 | mikma | they are ninja's |
| 18:51.55 | Nuckin | i figured |
| 18:51.59 | mikma | they are always around eventho we don't know who or where they are |
| 18:52.09 | Dagmar | mikma: win |
| 18:52.24 | Wobin | It's like Cairenn|afk |
| 18:52.31 | Wobin | She -looks- like she's afk |
| 18:52.34 | Nuckin | and the Curse admins are Pirates? |
| 18:52.38 | Wobin | but she's actually behind you |
| 18:52.51 | mikma | cairenn|afk is behind you, watching you type |
| 18:53.05 | Wobin | She's like CeilingCat |
| 18:53.11 | Trela_ | mikma: You forgot the part were Linux says there is a dependency missing, and that dependency needs more missing dependencies which all are not available in binary. |
| 18:53.13 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/2066/ng_singles.jpg |
| 18:53.16 | mikma | except not the masturbation part |
| 18:53.33 | mikma | trela_: that's only devel-problem |
| 18:53.44 | Nuckin | mikma: dot dot dot... |
| 18:53.58 | Dagmar | Trela: That only happens to idiots who try to install Mandrake packages on their Ubuntu system |
| 18:54.07 | mikma | dagmar: hah! |
| 18:54.11 | Nuckin | Mandrake == FAIL |
| 18:54.21 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: but wouldn't that 'size' be dependant on the local population size? |
| 18:54.22 | mikma | Manjuicedrake |
| 18:54.41 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/14530/paladins.jpg |
| 18:54.44 | Trela_ | Dagmar: I have seen it many times with Ubuntu targeted packages. |
| 18:54.52 | Wobin | ie, a percentage imbalance in a large city would result in 'higher' singles than in a small town |
| 18:54.56 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, % based us % based |
| 18:55.01 | airtonix | Trela, clearly you are lying |
| 18:55.06 | Thunder_Child | s/us/is/ |
| 18:55.16 | Wobin | but it's not percentage based |
| 18:55.18 | Trela_ | Nope! |
| 18:55.19 | Wobin | it's number based |
| 18:55.26 | Dagmar | Trela: Idiots always find a way to ignore things like "This package is for Ubuntu 5.43 ONLY" |
| 18:55.28 | Wobin | 185,000 more |
| 18:55.33 | airtonix | Trela, or leaving out relevant info on how you purposly borked your repos and so forth |
| 18:55.39 | Thunder_Child | so it is |
| 18:55.41 | VonhintenHOME` | LOL, nice UI |
| 18:55.44 | mikma | thunder_child: that one seems like... |
| 18:55.51 | mikma | you play with 0.64 uiscale |
| 18:55.57 | mikma | and for the screenshot you whack it to 1 |
| 18:56.08 | mikma | oh, i take that back |
| 18:56.09 | DWSR | TC: ROFL |
| 18:56.12 | mikma | it's a russian player ;) |
| 18:56.16 | mikma | they are screwed anyway |
| 18:56.51 | DWSR | How the fuck do you ever need that many addons? |
| 18:56.52 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, it's a total valuse so how is that a problem then? |
| 18:56.53 | Trela_ | airtonix: The sounds of hearing my room mate scream and threaten the wrath of Cthulhu are fairly common when trying to install many packages. |
| 18:57.28 | Dagmar | Trela: Tell him to stop grabbing candy off the street and shoving it into his mouth |
| 18:57.31 | DWSR | Trela: Tell him to stop using a fail distro? |
| 18:57.36 | airtonix | Trela_, your roomate is an impatient so and so. |
| 18:57.54 | Wobin | mikma: he's a healing pally |
| 18:58.01 | Wobin | he doesn't need to see the screen aside from bars |
| 18:58.04 | airtonix | how does he heal? |
| 18:58.09 | Wobin | clicking on bars =P |
| 18:58.11 | Dagmar | Bandages |
| 18:58.13 | airtonix | but how |
| 18:58.18 | Trela_ | Dagmar, DWSR, airtonix: Apparently have never had any problems installing any thing at all or blatantly deny there are issues. :) |
| 18:58.25 | airtonix | surely he has less than 1 frame per second |
| 18:58.31 | Dagmar | Trela: I build packages |
| 18:58.33 | DWSR | Trela: Never had any problems with instaling stuff with portage. |
| 18:58.51 | DWSR | Trela: If I do, it's usually something like "You didn't enable the right use flags, plz2fix" |
| 18:59.04 | airtonix | oh ok 34fps BUT WTFBBQ 179mb of mem used? |
| 18:59.18 | Dagmar | Trela: Hell, the only reason I'm not done with a new package manager for Dropline is that I can't decide whether I want to release it in perl, or stick with bash just to watch people vomit |
| 18:59.19 | Wobin | hehe |
| 18:59.22 | Wobin | look at the minimap =) |
| 18:59.32 | AckisWork | heh sean astin is at a convention near us, but I doubt we're going... I'd lvoe to meet him because of goonies and rudy lol |
| 18:59.32 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.34 | DWSR | http://fukung.net/v/14166/80ba749265fe8a437f40c0bda862defc.jpg |
| 18:59.40 | AckisWork | buth e's there for lotr |
| 18:59.48 | frewsxcv | are the servers up yet? |
| 18:59.59 | DWSR | frewsxcv: no. |
| 19:00.00 | alestane | Not as of a couple of minutes ago. |
| 19:00.02 | Trela_ | The reality is that it is never type, password, and DONE! If it was that easy Linux would be on Desktops every where. End of story. :D |
| 19:00.07 | Wobin | DWSR: hehe looks like someone got kicked out of the band =) |
| 19:00.24 | AckisWork | http://www.calgaryexpo.com/guests.php |
| 19:00.26 | Dagmar | Trela: Try Ubuntu, and don't manually install anything |
| 19:00.27 | frewsxcv | DWSR: has the news column changed on the logon screen? |
| 19:00.33 | airtonix | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/180039/screenshots/WoWScrnShot_041409_035347.jpg |
| 19:00.35 | DWSR | http://fukung.net/v/13158/49c0543b3ffaecb8b71e0946ad1627fb.jpg <- NSFW. |
| 19:00.52 | Trela_ | Dagmar: This was Ubuntu. |
| 19:00.58 | Dagmar | DWSR: Is it Worth Saving To Look At At Home tho? |
| 19:01.08 | Dagmar | Trela: Then he's been doing something stupid |
| 19:01.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: Indeed. |
| 19:01.17 | Dagmar | Sweet. :) |
| 19:01.42 | kneeki | DWSR: I don't get it... The dog? |
| 19:01.45 | mikma | that's one sad doggy |
| 19:01.50 | Trela_ | Then apparently Ubuntu is stupid since following directions from their web site caused failure. |
| 19:01.51 | Wobin | poor dog |
| 19:01.51 | Dagmar | Thanks to the magic of Foxmarks, I can bookmark a dodgy URL at work and it'll show up on my desktop at home when I get there. :) |
| 19:02.10 | durcyn | don't you mean... XMARKS, because rebranding is fun |
| 19:02.11 | Dagmar | Trela: The package dependency tree does not have 'dead branches' like you were saying |
| 19:02.19 | Dagmar | Trela: He bs'ed you about something |
| 19:02.51 | DWSR | kneeki: Caption |
| 19:02.52 | DWSR | http://fukung.net/v/10887/zu4mjgx928jntcjjg72.jpg |
| 19:02.52 | Trela_ | I was standing over her shoulder staring. |
| 19:02.53 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.00 | Dagmar | Trela: At the moment I'm actually using Ubuntu's dependency tree to see if my dependency generator is leaving things out or missing things |
| 19:04.03 | DWSR | http://fukung.net/v/7786/error8.jpg |
| 19:04.39 | Wobin | illigal |
| 19:04.41 | Dagmar | You guys enabled a bad third-party repo or something |
| 19:04.45 | Wobin | typofail |
| 19:05.05 | DWSR | http://fukung.net/v/2258/dreampillow.jpg <- Ahahaha |
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| 19:05.21 | kneeki | hahahahahaha |
| 19:05.25 | kneeki | that's epic |
| 19:05.31 | Trela_ | The repositories were never changed. |
| 19:06.09 | Dagmar | Well, I'm telling you that right now, and on at least two days last week, there were no packages in the main repo which call for invalid or nonexistant dependencies |
| 19:06.45 | Dagmar | ...and those can always be reported as bugs anyway |
| 19:06.55 | Trela_ | This months ago~ |
| 19:07.21 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 19:07.27 | DWSR | http://fukung.net/v/14507/b0a358b63c84622c0cd6ab5857dc40a9.jpg <-- Owned. |
| 19:07.37 | Trela_ | I know, you can not seem to give this up. XD |
| 19:08.24 | Dagmar | If you'd said that awhile back, I'd have just said "You've forgotten something important" and not have just woken up my dev box to check the dependency sanity |
| 19:09.04 | Trela_ | My main thing was pointing out the inaccuracies of install software on Windows versus Linux. |
| 19:09.07 | AckisWork | does AesirRising come on IRC at all? |
| 19:09.10 | Dagmar | Well, I guess at least I know WOL still works there |
| 19:09.27 | Dagmar | Trela: Between the number of Ubuntu installs and the number of XP installs I've done lately, Ubuntu is easier |
| 19:10.38 | Trela_ | The whole worrying about dependencies thing is annoying any way. I am spoiled by download archive, extract, and drop application in the Applications folder. |
| 19:11.37 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 19:13.11 | frewsxcv | Trela_: would you like a rattle with your mac? |
| 19:14.24 | Shirik | 3.1 going well guys? |
| 19:14.28 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/14/funny-pictures-think-about-hoomins/ |
| 19:14.42 | Dagmar | Well, it was until my hard drive caught fire and killed my cat |
| 19:14.53 | Dagmar | I'm going to go complain on the forums that the cat didn't need to be nerfed. |
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| 19:15.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:18.39 | Dagmar | This is completely unacceptable and Blizzard really needs to show more respect for players who have cats. |
| 19:18.40 | DWSR | http://is.gd/sq0b http://is.gd/sq3I http://is.gd/sq3Y http://is.gd/sq4E http://is.gd/sq5z http://is.gd/sq6u http://is.gd/sq6Y http://is.gd/sq8o http://is.gd/sq9k |
| 19:18.56 | Lopeppeppy | A cat owns Peppy. True story. |
| 19:19.04 | Dagmar | They should give everyone a free day because it r not fair to penalize cats in 3v3 |
| 19:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | Um, DWSR, it's extremly customary to label images as NSFW if they are indeed not safe for work. |
| 19:20.42 | Trela_ | "We fixed your issue." *Closes ticket.* <Customer> "Thank you!" *Response causes ticket to reopen.* <Trela> Stop responding! |
| 19:21.38 | kneeki | I love science! http://naurunappula.com/hotlink.php?/nn/0/162/165/353424.jpg |
| 19:22.30 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/14569/91482b011bb4a2d13fe1ab113f4e9f5a.jpg |
| 19:26.33 | kneeki | Whoa! http://www.libnui.net/ |
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| 19:29.01 | tekkub | Cairenn|afk: I need you to sticky my post in The Thread |
| 19:29.53 | Arrowmaster | "This is more like a cable company stealing a satellite-only TV channel and piping it into homes for free without permission even though the satellite TV company is paying out of the ass to have this exclusive channel. If the cable company wants this channel for their customers, they need to pay for the costs associated with providing it- not hijack it." |
| 19:30.07 | Arrowmaster | thats the best analogy ive seen that didnt end up being about physical stealing |
| 19:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | I wish anyone listened to the analogies. |
| 19:30.44 | Shirik | "Data contained in this email may be subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR) or the Export Administration Regulation (EAR) of 1979. " |
| 19:30.48 | Shirik | That's always fun to see in an email |
| 19:31.04 | Dagmar | Don't worry, it's only worth the paper it's printed on |
| 19:31.25 | Dagmar | In the latter case, if it matters at all, they've already broken the law probably. |
| 19:31.33 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: why does it talk about encryption over 40bit? |
| 19:31.34 | Shirik | It's just from HR, it's nothing sensitive |
| 19:31.39 | Shirik | I just found it amusing |
| 19:32.13 | zenzelezz | hm, I wonder if I could put "This e-mail is subject to the [Free Document Licence/Creative Commons/something like that" in my e-mail signature (in a manner that meant it would be true) |
| 19:32.19 | Shirik | lmao |
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| 19:32.54 | mikma | anyone knows is there a way to make Dropdown menus *NOT* to hide if the menu loses focus? |
| 19:32.55 | Shirik | I've thought about starting to sign my emails with 16384-bit PGP keys just because |
| 19:33.12 | Dagmar | Shirik: Actually, lemme amend that. If the contents of the email are covered by ITAR, and they sent it over coountry borders, they are probably just telling you they broke the law |
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| 19:33.44 | AckisWork | Dagmar: what's a coountry? a place full of bitchy girls? |
| 19:33.52 | Dagmar | .sig disclaimers are pretty much a waste of disk space |
| 19:34.12 | Dagmar | AckisWork: Anywhere you can't safely ship say, PGP source to |
| 19:34.24 | Dagmar | So, Cuba, China, NKorea, few more places like that |
| 19:34.39 | Dagmar | Canada posssibly still as well. |
| 19:34.42 | AckisWork | Dagmar: you missed my joke... you spelt it cOOuntry |
| 19:34.52 | Trela_ | Yay! Blizzard, downloading update... nan% done. |
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| 19:35.07 | KarlKFI | 0% |
| 19:35.21 | Trela_ | I know. :3~ |
| 19:35.42 | KarlKFI | is that a kitty drooling? |
| 19:36.08 | KarlKFI | or boobs on a stick |
| 19:36.21 | Dagmar | That'll teach you to close the updater after exiting WoW |
| 19:36.34 | Arrowmaster | so how much disk space is required to run the patch? |
| 19:36.43 | KarlKFI | more than you have! |
| 19:36.47 | Thunder_Child | 100000000gb |
| 19:36.47 | Dagmar | >1gb |
| 19:36.51 | Arrowmaster | most likely! |
| 19:37.05 | KarlKFI | step 1: RAM disk |
| 19:37.20 | Arrowmaster | i have 1.84gb free on C: and i havent even started downloading the patch |
| 19:37.34 | Dagmar | TIme to delete some porno then |
| 19:37.40 | Arrowmaster | i have 1GB of ram, ramdisk wont help |
| 19:38.21 | KarlKFI | >.< how do you play wow with that |
| 19:38.26 | Arrowmaster | i dont |
| 19:38.29 | Arrowmaster | i quit |
| 19:38.54 | KarlKFI | but you still maintain addons? |
| 19:38.57 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:39.07 | KarlKFI | then why do you need the patch |
| 19:39.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont |
| 19:39.15 | KarlKFI | >.> |
| 19:39.17 | KarlKFI | <.< |
| 19:39.27 | KarlKFI | O.O |
| 19:39.27 | Arrowmaster | was just considering it incase i want to do the noblegarden stuff |
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| 19:41.46 | KarlKFI | looks like just achievement stuff |
| 19:41.59 | KarlKFI | and a title if you're insane enough to do it all |
| 19:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- that insane. |
| 19:42.14 | KarlKFI | and a rabit pet |
| 19:42.52 | KarlKFI | sounds like work to me |
| 19:43.23 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Tokrim |
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| 19:43.26 | Arrowmaster | look at world events |
| 19:43.40 | Arrowmaster | ive got most of the ones for the events that havent happened yet done already |
| 19:44.13 | Arrowmaster | the drake is in the bag if i keep my account active and they dont drasticly change an event |
| 19:44.30 | KarlKFI | over achiever |
| 19:44.49 | Arrowmaster | i only have 5010 |
| 19:45.01 | Arrowmaster | and i practially quit playing 4-5 months ago |
| 19:45.07 | zenzelezz | you need the drake to get a better sell price at ebay? |
| 19:45.16 | Arrowmaster | no im OCD |
| 19:45.28 | zenzelezz | fair enough |
| 19:45.35 | Dagmar | Smoke pot while playing |
| 19:45.36 | Arrowmaster | just like ackis |
| 19:45.47 | KarlKFI | i have 3760... |
| 19:45.50 | Arrowmaster | except i dont have money to buy all the TCG cards |
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| 19:46.04 | KarlKFI | and i've been playing the same char for 4 years |
| 19:46.40 | zenzelezz | only three years for me |
| 19:46.52 | Dagmar | Hourly doses of Fugitol will help |
| 19:47.21 | Dagmar | Pineapple vodka has successfully kept me out of the exploder achievements |
| 19:47.23 | Arrowmaster | childrens week looks like it might be hard |
| 19:47.29 | Nuckin | and i am back |
| 19:47.31 | nicoli_s | ewww pineapple vodka |
| 19:47.32 | Dagmar | s/exploder/explorer/ |
| 19:48.05 | Nuckin | purl: lol |
| 19:48.06 | purl | lol is, like, stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 19:48.27 | Nuckin | lol |
| 19:48.30 | Nuckin | happy? |
| 19:48.42 | KarlKFI | f that |
| 19:48.56 | Dewin | Wouldn't it be /me is lol to be grammatically correct? |
| 19:49.07 | Nuckin | any og the WoWI admins wake up yet? =P |
| 19:49.20 | KarlKFI | depends if it's LaughING or LaughS |
| 19:49.44 | Nuckin | yes, it all depends on the variant of the accronym |
| 19:49.47 | KarlKFI | I can make it whatever gramatical construction I want, imo |
| 19:49.48 | Nuckin | /palm |
| 19:50.22 | KarlKFI | when's the server due to be up? |
| 19:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | KarlKFI, Real Soon Now (tm). |
| 19:50.49 | Lopeppeppy | I think they extended itby 2 hours. |
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| 19:53.39 | Shirik | --> calcSoon("real soon now") |
| 19:53.39 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return calcSoon("real soon now")"]:1: attempt to call global 'calcSoon' (a nil value) |
| 19:53.45 | Shirik | !!! Someone removed my soon calculator :( |
| 19:53.52 | Shirik | goes back to his logs |
| 19:54.58 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 19:55.02 | Shirik | --> soonCalc("real soon now") |
| 19:55.03 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return soonCalc("real soon now")"]:1: attempt to call global 'soonCalc' (a nil value) |
| 19:55.06 | Shirik | blah |
| 19:55.18 | Shirik | --> soonCalc = function(s) local start,_,v=s:find("^%s*(.-)%s*[Ss]oon%s*$"); if not start then error("Not soon at all!"); end local n = 0; for k in (v or ""):gmatch("[Vv]ery") do n=n+1 end return .66^n*3*365 end |
| 19:55.26 | Nuckin | shirik: atleast it didn't BSOD |
| 19:55.26 | Shirik | --> soonCalc("real soon") |
| 19:55.27 | batbot | Shirik: > 1095 |
| 19:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Shirik |
| 19:55.52 | purl | shoots Shirik in his sleep |
| 19:55.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ... okay, that was harsher than i had intended. |
| 19:56.18 | MentalPower | --> soonCalc("soon") |
| 19:56.18 | batbot | MentalPower: > 1095 |
| 19:56.19 | Nuckin | ahahaha |
| 19:56.24 | MentalPower | --> soonCalc("very soon") |
| 19:56.24 | batbot | MentalPower: > 722.7 |
| 19:56.31 | Dewin | harsher? Depending on where you shot him, it might have been painless. |
| 19:56.34 | MentalPower | no units makes it more fun |
| 19:56.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:56.46 | Shirik | Well it was designed for days, but you can assume it's no units if you want |
| 19:56.49 | Nuckin | --> soonCalc("Super Soon"); |
| 19:56.49 | batbot | Nuckin: > 1095 |
| 19:56.54 | Nuckin | :( |
| 19:58.07 | Dewin | I should share the definition of Real Soon Now(tm) as used in another game I used to play. |
| 19:58.07 | Dewin | Real Soon Now(tm): 10 years or the terms of two consecutive US presidents, whichever is greater. |
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| 19:58.17 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16365947144&sid=1&pageNo=5#98 . . . wow |
| 19:58.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: including the current one? |
| 19:58.39 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Reader's preference. |
| 19:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | not that it would matter, i suppose |
| 19:58.56 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah, i guess it could. |
| 19:58.58 | Shefki | Yay ICWutUDidThere is done. |
| 19:59.02 | Dewin | There's no rule saying /which/ two consecutive US presidents. |
| 19:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | Wow Jelly, some serious win there. |
| 19:59.20 | |Jelly| | People seriously think like that? |
| 19:59.44 | |Jelly| | And I imagine they'd be the first to bitch if the author that wrote the addons that they used stopped too, eh? |
| 19:59.51 | nevcairiel | Where are the new glyphs in 3.1 from? i heard something of drops, somwereh, can anyone confirm? |
| 19:59.53 | ajmitch | |Jelly|: of course they do, it's called entitlement |
| 20:00.16 | Dashkal | ok, that download is amazingly slow... Anybody have a link to the 3.0.9->3.1.0 torrent (or a tool I can run on linux to extract it?) |
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| 20:00.41 | tekkub | check wowwiki "Patch mirrors" |
| 20:00.46 | Dashkal | danke |
| 20:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i'm assuming NR research will still discover them. But i guess there's world-drop tradable 'books' that will teach you a random glyph, probably as if you had done a research skill |
| 20:00.48 | durcyn | Dashkal: http://a.wirebrain.de/wow |
| 20:00.50 | tekkub | there's always the torrent at the bottom of the list |
| 20:01.50 | frewsxcv | Dashkal: http://wowwiki.com |
| 20:02.23 | Pneumatus | NightHawkTheSane: on the PTR at least, research wouldnt discover anything |
| 20:02.23 | foxlit | "The moral of the story is: if you discover a naturally occurring geyser of gasoline in your backyard, hire Jim to run your cookie counter under a long-term lease agreement. |
| 20:02.23 | foxlit | " |
| 20:02.28 | foxlit | +1 Brilliant |
| 20:03.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: has there been a comment as to whether that was intended? |
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| 20:06.03 | Syzgyn | http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-04-13/Fir_tree_man_shocks_doctors.html |
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| 20:09.11 | Shirik | wtf Syzgyn |
| 20:10.56 | |Jelly| | wow |
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| 20:11.46 | Nuckin | wow |
| 20:12.15 | Duman | what did I miss |
| 20:12.28 | Thunder_Child | impressive that a fir could grow in that kind of environment |
| 20:12.30 | Dashkal | "bad data from tracker - bad bencoded data": Did someone update the BT protocol somewhere and half the clients not update with it? I've been seeing a lot of that lately |
| 20:12.54 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: Yeah, that's the most interesting part to me too |
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| 20:13.44 | Dewin | Dashkal: If you're getting that from the /tracker/, I think something else is wrong |
| 20:14.04 | Duman | forums finally ate it |
| 20:14.08 | Duman | (wow forums) |
| 20:14.19 | tekkub | Dashkal: utorrent! |
| 20:14.23 | Dashkal | Dewin: Had something similar from ktorrent (in this case I was trying to use bittornado from the command-line). Vuse worked for the one that gave me trouble last night |
| 20:14.25 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: It has water and it has air |
| 20:14.27 | Shirik | That's all it needs |
| 20:14.28 | Dashkal | tekkub: Need something headless on linux |
| 20:14.35 | Lopeppeppy | Not unexpected, I believe they are having to reboot the auth servers to deal with the b/net account login issue, IIRC. |
| 20:14.40 | durcyn | Dashkal: torrentflux |
| 20:15.21 | Nuckin | Dashkal: uTorrent if you're in windows, Transmission if you're in Linux or OSX |
| 20:15.23 | Dashkal | durcyn: Uses bittornado as the back end, which isn't working |
| 20:15.35 | Dewin | Dashkal: Any console-based torrent client + screen? |
| 20:15.47 | Arrowmaster | rtorrent |
| 20:15.54 | durcyn | Dashkal: which torrent? i haven't had any problems with public stuff |
| 20:15.57 | Dashkal | Dewin: "any console-bases torrent client" is what I'm trying to narrow down :p Now checking torrentflux |
| 20:16.13 | Dagmar | BitTorrent has an ncurses-based client. |
| 20:16.15 | Dashkal | I'm trying to get my home system to download the patch via bt (the official downloader should be done in about 36 hours) |
| 20:16.16 | durcyn | Dashkal: blizzard uses some bizarre hackery with their torrents for the authorization crap, which i don't believe they've published |
| 20:16.19 | Dagmar | It's a perfectly normal torrent client. |
| 20:16.21 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i dont think so. i think they tried flaoting trees on lakes for looks but they wouldnt stay alive |
| 20:16.28 | Thunder_Child | floating* |
| 20:16.28 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: they do? |
| 20:16.32 | Dewin | Dashkal: You have a working way to extract .torrent files? |
| 20:16.39 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: i do |
| 20:16.42 | Dashkal | I got pointed at a .torrent for it |
| 20:16.52 | Shirik | Based on my (limited 9th grade) biology knowledge, I know for a fact plants can live off the respiration process until they run out of sugar |
| 20:16.55 | Dewin | Arrow: Care to share? wowtorrentex doesn't work anymore, I'd like to have a way to do it again. |
| 20:17.00 | Shirik | the "until they run out of sugar" part is the important part |
| 20:17.13 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: i need up upload it, sec |
| 20:17.42 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: well, it's unlikely that they changed the protocol, but the official downloader has a kill bit |
| 20:17.56 | Dewin | I was pondering trying to write my own but I don't know enough about .torrent file formats to scan for it. |
| 20:17.58 | Dagmar | Has a kill bit? |
| 20:18.12 | Arrowmaster | http://arrowmaster.net/WoWTorrentEx.exe |
| 20:18.13 | durcyn | "download not authorized" etc |
| 20:18.18 | Dagmar | AH |
| 20:18.30 | Dagmar | That could explain why noobs are so quick to blame Blizzard's client |
| 20:18.50 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: Isn't that the same one that hasn't worked since 3.x? Or is yours fixed? |
| 20:18.53 | Dagmar | They're too dumb to realize that when they use another client, they're also pulling from a whole different set of hosts which are not the same as usual |
| 20:18.59 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: that one is fixed |
| 20:19.32 | Dagmar | Amazing how two separate torrents are completely non-comparable |
| 20:20.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Proditor (i=proditor@c80-217-101-231.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 20:20.18 | Dashkal | Ok, transmission has a cli interface and didn't crash immediately *crosses fingers* |
| 20:20.18 | Arrowmaster | huh? is that giving a different torrent than something else? |
| 20:20.21 | durcyn | Dagmar: huh? extracting the torrent shouldn't change the tracker |
| 20:20.44 | Shirik | ok time to head home |
| 20:20.44 | Shirik | baibai |
| 20:21.00 | Dashkal | bleh, this thing should have a huge swarm.... why must it be so slow |
| 20:21.05 | Dewin | It doesn't, I'm pretty sure that if you look at the clients in a regular client it'll identify people using Blizzard downloader as Blizzard/0.9 or something similar. |
| 20:21.33 | Arrowmaster | if it doesnt name them Blizzard* then you will still tell by the client name starting with BLZ |
| 20:21.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraft (n=kraftman@212-139-88-57.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 20:22.05 | Arrowmaster | last time i looked Vuze still didnt specificly identify the blizzard client with a name |
| 20:22.17 | Dewin | I'm going from memory, don't have a .torrent to look at atm ;) |
| 20:22.45 | Dewin | oh. |
| 20:22.52 | Arrowmaster | is my exe not working? |
| 20:22.57 | Dewin | The official wowtorrentex site updated, no wonder :) |
| 20:23.02 | Arrowmaster | it did? |
| 20:23.28 | Arrowmaster | ah it did |
| 20:23.39 | Dewin | It wasn't updated 2 hours ago |
| 20:23.39 | Arrowmaster | this should be fun to compare my source with his |
| 20:24.14 | frewsxcv | Where is the best place to bot? In terms of making the most gold |
| 20:24.29 | Arrowmaster | frewsxcv: hell |
| 20:24.54 | Arrowmaster | waves |
| 20:25.08 | Dewin | oh, I was wrong |
| 20:25.12 | Dewin | it's Blizzard 0.8, not Blizzard 0.9 |
| 20:25.16 | Nuckin | frewsxcv: wow |
| 20:25.52 | alestane | frewsxcv: Botting, like model hacks or private servers, is not discussed in this channel. |
| 20:26.08 | NeoTron | ah they are making progress. I can now log in at least (obviously not up yet though) |
| 20:26.17 | Dewin | NeoTron: I've been able to log in for awhile now |
| 20:26.17 | Fisker- | why not alestane? :( |
| 20:26.25 | Fisker- | I want to discuss botting, hacking and private servers |
| 20:26.38 | Fisker- | seems like a hot topic! |
| 20:26.58 | Nuckin | slowly steps back as he feels the almightly blizzard is watching. |
| 20:27.35 | Dewin | Only thing I've ever wanted to do on a private server is see if I can make flying mounts work in vanilla so I could poke around, since wowmapviewer hasn't worked for ages. :-/ |
| 20:27.42 | Arrowmaster | http://arrowmaster.net/WoWTorrentEx-arrow.c http://arrowmaster.net/WoWTorrentEx-4.c |
| 20:27.51 | Arrowmaster | i like my way a little more |
| 20:28.00 | Nuckin | Dewin: lol who needs a flying mount when your character can fly? |
| 20:28.16 | Dewin | Nuckin: Same thing. |
| 20:28.21 | Nuckin | .gm fly on |
| 20:29.15 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: The funny thing is... I used to do this kind of stuff, except it was on live memory not just an unopened .exe |
| 20:29.51 | Dewin | And... it was Not Fun(tm). |
| 20:30.17 | Dashkal | Woot, transmission's gtk client worked. vnc ftw |
| 20:30.23 | Rincewind` | can I just say that there is no reason to use this WowTorrentEx just go in the cache folder get the .torrent file and stick in your bittorrent client of choice it will work , have been doing that with utorrent for over a year now. |
| 20:30.23 | Fisker- | i hate you :3 |
| 20:30.29 | Arrowmaster | anybody have contact info for capnbry? |
| 20:30.40 | Dewin | Rincewind: The background downloader makes .torrents, the patch day updater doesn't |
| 20:30.55 | Dewin | so you can do that for the background DL portion but nothing else. |
| 20:30.56 | Arrowmaster | Rincewind`: yeah the one in the cache folder is only from the background downloader |
| 20:31.18 | Rincewind` | it works tho. |
| 20:31.33 | Dewin | You won't have the whole patch, just most of it |
| 20:31.50 | Dewin | granted, using the official client for the last 20 MB is not as bad as having to use it for the entire DL. |
| 20:32.08 | Dewin | Considering it took me 40 minutes to download the remaining 20 MB today though... ugh. |
| 20:32.12 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 20:32.56 | Dewin | My upload speed with utorrent is better than my download speed was with the blizz client. |
| 20:33.43 | Dagmar | durcyn: Didn't you say the thing has an authorization part to it? |
| 20:33.52 | *** join/#wowuidev dustice (n=dustin@wireless-128-62-97-108.public.utexas.edu) |
| 20:34.49 | Dashkal | If that thing has some auth, I'm not seeing it. I'm successfully downloading the torrent and I see blizzard clients |
| 20:35.22 | Dagmar | Well, either way, I get the same shape from Blizz's update as I have for every other torrent in the last three months |
| 20:35.23 | Dashkal | Blizzard Downloader 1.8 makes up most of my peer list |
| 20:36.17 | Dewin | Dashkal: I think it has something that makes the blizzard client stop downloading and go "Download not authorized.", which I have seen before right around WOTLK releaseday |
| 20:36.46 | Dewin | Doubt it really stops another torrent client unless the tracker stops giving a list of peers at the same time |
| 20:36.50 | Dashkal | I remember that. Prolly something in the tracker. I don't know the protocol so I can't speculate beyond that |
| 20:37.12 | durcyn | Dagmar: i doubt they've modified the protocol, but it phones home before it starts |
| 20:37.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) |
| 20:37.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:37.56 | zenzelezz | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v29/Paula3000/Emoticons%20and%20Comments/LOL08.jpg |
| 20:40.23 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/3329/ePenis.jpg |
| 20:41.15 | frewsxcv | Lets talk about botting |
| 20:41.33 | tekkub | lets talk about kickbans |
| 20:41.43 | frewsxcv | ok :D |
| 20:42.10 | frewsxcv | 8) |
| 20:42.16 | End | lets talk about kitchens |
| 20:42.27 | frewsxcv | B) |
| 20:44.08 | mikma | let's talk about dropdown menus instead! |
| 20:44.35 | foxlit | real0m0.632s |
| 20:44.42 | foxlit | grumble, that's about two orders of magnitude too much. |
| 20:45.07 | Dagmar | durcyn: LIkely it's checking to see if there's a point in using the torrent data it's got, using plain ssl auth, but that's a guess |
| 20:45.19 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/6745/warning.gif |
| 20:45.24 | foxlit | Anyone interested in looking at the madness? |
| 20:45.32 | Dagmar | durcyn: I thought you were saying they'd made an extention to the bt protocol to do auth |
| 20:45.52 | durcyn | Dagmar: no, but it's possible the tracker rejects clients outside of the window that the patch is valid for |
| 20:46.32 | Shirik | did I miss something? |
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| 20:47.19 | Thunder_Child | sleep |
| 20:48.09 | mikma | hahahaa |
| 20:48.12 | Shirik | ok did I miss something in channel? |
| 20:48.17 | mikma | cool to see people crying about wowmatrix |
| 20:48.29 | Shirik | mikma is so slow |
| 20:48.30 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/7465/unix-1.jpg |
| 20:49.30 | mikma | shirik: no i am not, but this happened ingame |
| 20:49.40 | mikma | "any alternatives?" |
| 20:49.45 | mikma | 'none' |
| 20:49.46 | mikma | haha |
| 20:49.50 | Shirik | nice |
| 20:50.57 | Shadowed | I'm amazed |
| 20:51.10 | Shadowed | that the WoWI / Curse thread jumped to like 13 pages over 8 hours |
| 20:52.08 | foxlit | Hey, Shirik, need help? :) |
| 20:52.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:52.38 | foxlit | updater code and so on. |
| 20:53.03 | mikma | omg loooool he can now help you because wowmatrix doesnt work!!!1 |
| 20:53.03 | Shirik | ever read the mythical man month? :) |
| 20:53.18 | Shirik | !!! foxlit was WM author?! |
| 20:53.27 | foxlit | If I was WM author, WM would be patched already |
| 20:53.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:53.35 | foxlit | <3 |
| 20:53.47 | mikma | foxlitupdater inc |
| 20:53.55 | NeoTron | anyone know what's in the alchemy caches from ulduar bosses? |
| 20:53.58 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/12967/handegg.jpg |
| 20:54.08 | Dewin | Hmm, they ninja-updated the server alert |
| 20:54.33 | Dewin | It used to say they'll provide another update at 1:00 PM PDT, now it says 2:00 PM PDT. |
| 20:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | heh,with luck i'll be done with work by the time servers actually come back up |
| 20:54.53 | nevcairiel | They did provide an update at 1:00 PM then? :) |
| 20:54.53 | Shirik | too bad Shiibot doesn't pick up on those updates anymore :( |
| 20:54.56 | Thunder_Child | they did that a while ago |
| 20:55.24 | End | whut |
| 20:55.28 | End | Outfitter has a new version? |
| 20:55.34 | airtonix | who cares |
| 20:55.36 | nicoli_s | foxlit, no need to be cocky |
| 20:55.38 | End | I care |
| 20:56.01 | foxlit | mm, what about? |
| 20:56.08 | nicoli_s | <foxlit> If I was WM author, WM would be patched already |
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| 20:56.27 | nicoli_s | we wouldnt of bothered with protection that could be broken so easily |
| 20:56.35 | Dewin | oh wow, Outfitter was updated. |
| 20:56.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Aqua (n=Vette@74-137-180-6.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 20:56.46 | DWSR | Dewin: Surprise? |
| 20:56.47 | End | Dewin: welcome to 40 seconds ago! |
| 20:56.59 | Shirik | I don't know who "we" is, nicoli_s, and foxlit was quite obviously joking |
| 20:57.06 | nicoli_s | we = curse |
| 20:57.11 | nicoli_s | and i kinda was too |
| 20:57.13 | Shirik | You work for curse? |
| 20:57.16 | nicoli_s | ayuh |
| 20:57.31 | Dewin | End: Your surprise made me go to check for myself. |
| 20:57.45 | End | pfff |
| 20:57.59 | End | although, only curse has it |
| 20:58.11 | batrick | Damn... outfitter author caved : / |
| 20:58.20 | Dagmar | I'd say "thought it through" over "caved" |
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| 20:59.24 | Dewin | Hmm... whatever it is that's supposed to block wowmatrix at curse just blocked my attempt at manually downloading Outfitter as well, no "Manual Install" option. |
| 21:00.15 | Dagmar | Downloaded manually fine here. |
| 21:00.29 | nicoli_s | dewin, if theres any problem, we'll help you through it |
| 21:00.47 | kamdis | I have a manual install button for Outfitter. |
| 21:01.10 | Dewin | Firefox 3.0.8 + Noscript, but I went and marked all of the curse sites as trusted and still no button. |
| 21:01.53 | Dagmar | Same version of firefox here, without noscript. No problems. |
| 21:02.17 | Dewin | Let me restart it and see what happens |
| 21:02.25 | Shirik | Why do people run with noscript |
| 21:02.28 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 21:02.34 | kamdis | same browser set up here, Dewin. |
| 21:02.39 | nicoli_s | we are working on a fix for people who have those addons dewin |
| 21:02.58 | Dagmar | Shirik: They're paranoid I guess, althought they've slightly got a right to be. |
| 21:02.58 | DWSR | Shirik: To block scripts? |
| 21:03.23 | Dagmar | I'm certainly not going to discourage the few people who are taking *some* precautions, even if those precautions are slightly hit-or-miss |
| 21:03.23 | Shirik | Why block scripts? |
| 21:03.25 | kamdis | Shirik: because I indiscriminately click on links. :P |
| 21:03.28 | Shirik | What could you possibly gain out of it? |
| 21:03.40 | DWSR | Shirik: On a scale of 1-10, how hard is it going to be to write an OSGi module for the updater? |
| 21:03.44 | Dagmar | Shirik: Fewer popups when browsing porno |
| 21:03.45 | DWSR | 10 being I need a CS degree. |
| 21:03.54 | DWSR | Shirik: Less popups, less flashy text... |
| 21:04.12 | Dewin | no button even with scripts globally allowed, FWIW |
| 21:04.13 | Osagasu | less sex leg. |
| 21:04.25 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.33 | Dewin | and I am logged in to Curse, if it matters |
| 21:04.43 | nicoli_s | our devs are looking into it |
| 21:04.44 | Shirik | DWSR: To interface, 3-4. To actually what accomplish what you want, probably higher |
| 21:04.44 | Shirik | The interface is easy |
| 21:04.50 | Shirik | The logic behind a module is not simple |
| 21:04.55 | nicoli_s | i'll keep yelling till it gets fixed, they sit right behind me |
| 21:04.58 | Shirik | WoWI's module is currently about 10 kloc |
| 21:05.01 | Dagmar | Dewin: At this point I'll suggest maybe shift-reload |
| 21:05.07 | Shirik | But that's because there's a lot of work required to accomplish something. |
| 21:05.10 | Shirik | But that's not the interface's fault. |
| 21:05.19 | Shirik | The interface is, imo, very easy to use. |
| 21:05.22 | Dewin | Dagmar: I tried that and various other things. And nicoli_s just said it is a bug |
| 21:05.31 | Dewin | nicoli_s: It's only a minor annoyance to me, I just wanted to see if I can provide additional data. |
| 21:05.35 | Dagmar | Mebbe happening *because* you're logged in then? |
| 21:05.42 | Dewin | I tried logging out and same result |
| 21:05.47 | DWSR | Shirik: To actually accomplish what I want....like 7? |
| 21:05.54 | Dewin | (Now that I have curse client, I usually do the automatic install anyways) |
| 21:05.54 | DWSR | Beacuse I'm thinking that I'm at like a 5 right now. |
| 21:05.56 | Shirik | http://heresiarchguild.com/javadocs/com/mmoui/manager/services/UpdateService.html |
| 21:05.59 | Shirik | figure it out |
| 21:06.01 | Dagmar | Trying to get my head around this because I'll do whatever I can if it hurts wowmatrix's ability to leech |
| 21:06.05 | Shirik | do you understand that? |
| 21:06.16 | Shirik | all you need to do is implement one of those |
| 21:06.32 | foxlit | where's my one-line inheritance from some abstract class? :) |
| 21:06.34 | nicoli_s | hmm, i have noscript active, and i get our captcha |
| 21:06.56 | Shirik | (you also need to implement a BundleActivator but that's no real complicated thing -- I'll write up documentation for that when I have time) |
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| 21:07.07 | Shirik | foxlit: That is an abstract class (well, interface)! |
| 21:07.24 | foxlit | Yeah, but if your implementation details are 10 kloc on top of that, we're in trouble :) |
| 21:07.25 | *** join/#wowuidev batbot (n=batbot@batbytes.com) |
| 21:07.37 | nicoli_s | are you getting the captcha at this url? http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/xperl/download/315674.aspx |
| 21:07.41 | Shirik | Well that's because of the technical details of wowi |
| 21:07.43 | Shirik | such as SAX parsers, etc. |
| 21:07.52 | Shirik | Those details may or may not be required elsewhere |
| 21:07.58 | DWSR | Shiibot: Yeah, I understand that. |
| 21:08.00 | Shirik | The XML parsers take up a ton of lines |
| 21:08.01 | DWSR | ffs. |
| 21:08.06 | DWSR | s/Shiibot/Shirik/ |
| 21:08.10 | Dewin | Negative, and recaptcha.net and curse.com are both allowed |
| 21:08.13 | alestane | DWSR: Need four letters. |
| 21:08.14 | Shirik | And also take note that my code-to-comment ratio is probably 50% |
| 21:08.35 | Dagmar | The captcha only appears to show up if JavaScript is turned off |
| 21:08.56 | Dagmar | ...in which event the javascript-drived manuall isntall button doesn't work so well |
| 21:08.57 | Dewin | Ohhh... |
| 21:09.10 | Dagmar | s/drived/driven/; |
| 21:09.38 | Dagmar | If I've got JavaScript enabled, the captcha just doesn't show up, but everything works like it should |
| 21:10.52 | Shirik | foxlit: Over time, after release, I do have the intention of adapting the API to make it easier, as I get some feedback on what parts are hard and what are eas |
| 21:11.56 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: curse uses flash not javascript for the manual install button |
| 21:12.15 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Mouseover it |
| 21:12.38 | Dewin | It's a mix of flash and JS, actually. I'm poking at it in Firebug atm |
| 21:12.52 | *** join/#wowuidev ecs (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 21:13.05 | Dagmar | Once you mouseover it, you'll understand |
| 21:13.07 | Arrowmaster | the javascript is only used by recaptcha afaik, and it isnt required at all |
| 21:13.19 | Arrowmaster | i have moused over it, its flsh |
| 21:13.21 | Arrowmaster | flash |
| 21:13.38 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:13.43 | Dagmar | So, instead of repeating the same thing, consider that possibly I might not be an idiot who's making up random things to say |
| 21:13.47 | durcyn | ^ it's a flash object with a fallback to recaptcha |
| 21:14.16 | Dagmar | Turn off your JavaScript, then pull up http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/xperl/download/315674.aspx and mouse over the manual install button. |
| 21:14.42 | Dagmar | Then look down at the bottom of your browser where it sayd "javascript:WebForm_DoPostBackWithOptions(blahblablg |
| 21:14.43 | DWSR | http://is.gd/srAr <-- woot. |
| 21:15.04 | Dagmar | With javascript disabled, that ain't going to work |
| 21:15.29 | Dewin | Dagmar: It's moot for me, since I don't get a manual install button whether Javascript is enabled or not. |
| 21:15.37 | Dagmar | Dewin: Yeah I know |
| 21:15.46 | Dagmar | I suspect mebbe noscript is doing more than it says |
| 21:15.55 | Shirik | flash doesn't have a "fallback" parameter? |
| 21:15.58 | Dagmar | We've got the same browser version |
| 21:16.03 | Nuckin | WTB online servers |
| 21:16.03 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the manual install button isnt ment to work at all if you see the captcha, you have to fill out the captcha and click "I'm a Human" |
| 21:16.13 | Shirik | I know java applets have a location you can put code in the event that they're not supported |
| 21:16.14 | Arrowmaster | i dont know why the manual install button is showing |
| 21:16.22 | Shirik | Nuckin: Not until I have finished downloading!! |
| 21:16.22 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: it does |
| 21:16.28 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So that's what all those instructions on the screen are for |
| 21:16.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: yes |
| 21:16.57 | Dagmar | So what bearing does this have on the fact that the manual install button doesn't work when JavaScript is disabled |
| 21:17.05 | Nuckin | Shirik: lol I have been updated to 3.1 for like 8 hours now |
| 21:17.13 | bleeter | HAY GUY URGENT HALP NEEDED\ |
| 21:17.20 | Shirik | yeah FU! |
| 21:17.22 | bleeter | MY WOWMATRIX IS STILL BORKEN HALP PLZ |
| 21:17.24 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the manual install button wont work with javascript enabled either if you dont have flash |
| 21:17.35 | DWSR | http://is.gd/srAr <- :D |
| 21:17.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So what's that got to do with anything |
| 21:17.45 | Arrowmaster | nothing at all, you brought it up |
| 21:17.49 | Shirik | ~lart bleeter |
| 21:17.49 | purl | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses bleeter's head to break the homerun record |
| 21:17.51 | Dagmar | No, I didn't. |
| 21:17.52 | bleeter | Shirik: u b my frend n halp |
| 21:17.54 | bleeter | ?? |
| 21:18.03 | Shirik | noty |
| 21:18.07 | Nuckin | bleeter: step 1 is turning off Caps Lock |
| 21:18.16 | bleeter | wut iz noty?? |
| 21:18.26 | Shirik | NO TY |
| 21:18.34 | Nuckin | bleeter: Step 3: Profit |
| 21:18.38 | bleeter | damn why is there no capslock version of ????? I DEMAND UPPERCASE ??? |
| 21:19.00 | bleeter | Shirik: plz |
| 21:19.14 | Nuckin | ~lart bleeter |
| 21:19.14 | purl | eats bleeter and falls over dead |
| 21:19.14 | bleeter | comon i ask noice |
| 21:19.39 | Dewin | Is there an about: page in Firefox that lists extensions? (Can't copy/paste from the addons box.) |
| 21:19.42 | Dewin | about:plugins does not. |
| 21:19.52 | bleeter | on a less serious note, what do people use as an equipment manager at the moment? |
| 21:20.03 | Shirik | outfitter |
| 21:20.06 | Dashkal | itemrack |
| 21:20.10 | durcyn | closetgnome |
| 21:20.10 | Dagmar | Dewin: Tools->Addons |
| 21:20.11 | Jamash | bleeter: ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ |
| 21:20.15 | DWSR | Outfitter. |
| 21:20.28 | pnorman | ItemRack |
| 21:20.28 | kamdis | bleeter: ItemRack |
| 21:20.34 | Dagmar | Dewin: I suspect that noscript is blocking your flash, even when you've got it globally allowing thing |
| 21:20.34 | Dagmar | s |
| 21:20.35 | bleeter | I thought outditter had been removed from distro |
| 21:20.41 | Kirov | ? capitalized == ! |
| 21:20.41 | bleeter | outfitter |
| 21:20.45 | End | outfitter apparently has just been recontinued |
| 21:20.47 | Jamash | it's back up |
| 21:20.48 | kamdis | new version is up |
| 21:20.48 | Kirov | ! capitalized == 1 |
| 21:20.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:20.51 | Shirik | ^ uppercase? |
| 21:20.54 | Dewin | Dagmar: Tools->Addons does not give it to me in a way I can copy/paste, which is exactly what I want to be able to do. |
| 21:20.58 | Dashkal | I'll probably keep using ItemRack after the blizzard one comes. I like some of the extras like floating equipment slot buttons |
| 21:21.00 | bleeter | bah can't keep up.. lol thx guys |
| 21:21.09 | End | the author doesn't want to "punish users for Blizzard's decisions" |
| 21:21.15 | Dewin | Wanted to be able to pass along the complete list to nicoli_s |
| 21:21.41 | Kemayo | There isn't an official linux addon updater from curse/wowi, right? |
| 21:21.45 | Dagmar | Dewin: You could also just disable them all and see if the problem remains. If it does, then you can cull that from the list of possibilites |
| 21:22.06 | Kirov | Kemayo - to use with that official linux port of WoW? |
| 21:22.07 | Nuckin | Kemayo: no |
| 21:22.12 | End | I'm sure shirik's wowi updater will run under linux |
| 21:22.18 | End | if he ever releases it |
| 21:22.31 | Shirik | it will |
| 21:22.34 | Shirik | I have alpha testers that are using it on Linux |
| 21:22.37 | Shirik | and I have used it myself |
| 21:22.39 | Nuckin | Kirov: there is a Linux version, but its internal only :( |
| 21:22.53 | Arrowmaster | no there isnt |
| 21:22.57 | Kemayo | Kirov: Wine does WoW great. It's just very hit-n-miss for random updater-y apps... |
| 21:22.59 | Nuckin | yes, there is |
| 21:23.01 | Esine | Shirik, Is it native linux or wine? |
| 21:23.03 | Arrowmaster | atleast not one thats current |
| 21:23.08 | foxlit | It's Java. |
| 21:23.09 | Shirik | Native |
| 21:23.10 | NeoTron | Nuckin: there was |
| 21:23.10 | Esine | ah.. |
| 21:23.11 | foxlit | Java is Java. |
| 21:23.12 | NeoTron | there isn't |
| 21:23.14 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: yes, there is |
| 21:23.29 | Nuckin | NeoTron: there IS |
| 21:23.30 | bleeter | so it's tested against gjc? |
| 21:23.32 | Shirik | foxlit: If only it were that easy :( |
| 21:23.35 | NeoTron | Sometime around closed beta the servers were changed to disallow connecting with a Linux client |
| 21:23.36 | Arrowmaster | it was unofficial and blizzard put a stop to it |
| 21:23.47 | Shirik | who the hell uses gnu's jvm |
| 21:23.49 | NeoTron | now I suppose it's possible that they changed that since then but I haven't heard anything newer |
| 21:23.49 | Shirik | still |
| 21:24.04 | NeoTron | I alpha tested WoW purely using the Linux client |
| 21:24.20 | Nuckin | NeoTron: its internal only and its used to test security |
| 21:25.09 | NeoTron | I can certainly see it as a possibility but I know Sam couldn't keep working on it because the servers didn't allow it to connect |
| 21:25.12 | Trela | Work is out, the forums are dead. |
| 21:25.21 | Duman | yeah, forums ate face a little bit ago |
| 21:25.32 | Duman | just shortly after they mentioned "next update at 3pm" I think |
| 21:25.32 | Shirik | what? forums down on patch day? unpossible! |
| 21:25.57 | DWSR | http://is.gd/srDY http://is.gd/srEo http://is.gd/srEI http://is.gd/srFE http://is.gd/srGx |
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| 21:26.33 | Arrowmaster | Capnbry has already replied to my email about using the PE headers to locate the start of the digital signature in WoWTorrentEx instead of seaking from the end of the file, he says the blizzard downloader actually seeks from the end of the file too and he just copied that method but likes the idea of using the headers and will make a new version |
| 21:26.33 | Nuckin | NeoTron: I have a friend who's company is contracted by blizzard for security analysis in warden and server security and he has access to the client |
| 21:26.57 | NeoTron | as I said it might have changed since spring 2004... |
| 21:27.25 | Arrowmaster | Nuckin: and we have a blizzard employee in this channel, if he cares to comment i would take is word over your friends |
| 21:27.54 | Shirik | You have me in this channel |
| 21:27.59 | pnorman | I raided with capnbry |
| 21:28.00 | Shirik | you should take my word over everyone's |
| 21:28.20 | foxlit | Hand over your world, then! |
| 21:28.21 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: not every blizzard employee has access to it, my friend's security clearance is higher than GM |
| 21:28.34 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 21:28.35 | Shirik | foxlit: word not world! |
| 21:28.36 | foxlit | *strike l, but was more interesting this way |
| 21:28.39 | Arrowmaster | you make me lol |
| 21:29.06 | Arrowmaster | im refering to a game developer, probably the highest clearance |
| 21:29.07 | Shirik | needs a secret clearance |
| 21:29.13 | Arrowmaster | and everybody knows that GMs cant do shit |
| 21:29.29 | Shefki | And I have a secret clearance with the US Government, good for me. |
| 21:29.38 | durcyn | you guys talking about security clearance in the context of world of warcraft makes me giggle |
| 21:29.39 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: game developers are S7, security specialists are S8 |
| 21:29.52 | Shirik | cheers at Shefki |
| 21:29.55 | Shirik | what reason? |
| 21:30.05 | Shirik | I'm probably going to be working for Insitu over the summer |
| 21:30.07 | Arrowmaster | im so tempted to bug him now even though he doesnt like being bugged about work stuff in here all the time |
| 21:30.19 | Arrowmaster | just for the lolz |
| 21:30.38 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: ... |
| 21:30.45 | Dagmar | Nuckin: I suggest you stop making stuff up, right now. |
| 21:30.53 | Lunessa | Forums go boom? (been in a meeting for 2+ hours. _ |
| 21:31.02 | DWSR | Lunessa: Boom boom boom. |
| 21:31.03 | Shefki | East coast got home. |
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| 21:31.11 | Nuckin | Dagmar: not making this up |
| 21:31.13 | Shefki | East coast goes to forums. "QQ game not up yet." |
| 21:31.27 | Shirik | I did not QQ :( |
| 21:31.47 | cncfanatics | lol @ vatican denying all US ambassadors |
| 21:32.14 | Dagmar | Nuckin: Really? Then would you care to direct us to something oulining this "S6" and "S7" security clearances you speak of? |
| 21:32.17 | cncfanatics | "you are not against abortus, gtfo" |
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| 21:33.09 | Lunessa | Bah. No forums make Lunessa a sad panda. |
| 21:33.15 | Nuckin | Dagmar: those are the titles i was told, and the only ones i asked about were S7 and S8, I don't know the other ones |
| 21:33.18 | nicoli_s | they are back up |
| 21:33.20 | aesir | I thought it was SI:7 security clearance. |
| 21:33.33 | Shirik | I'm an F22 |
| 21:33.37 | Dagmar | Nuckin: So, in other words, you believe everything your "friend" tells you |
| 21:33.40 | Shirik | F22 > all |
| 21:33.49 | Lunessa | "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." |
| 21:33.50 | foxlit | Didn't they cancel F22s? |
| 21:33.59 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:34.00 | Shirik | shhh |
| 21:34.08 | Shirik | let me have my fun times |
| 21:34.18 | Arrowmaster | they might have canceled plans to order more but they already have some |
| 21:34.24 | Nuckin | Dagmar: In other words, I've seen him do questionable things in game, his company exists and does what I said it does |
| 21:34.37 | bleeter | yeah future orders cancelled, or ceased |
| 21:34.38 | Dagmar | Nuckin: I suggest you put a little pressure on him to stop telling you tall tales |
| 21:34.39 | Shefki | Yeah they canceled a bunch of orders for it. |
| 21:34.49 | Shirik | According to wikipedia, In April 2009 the US Department of Defense proposed to cease placing new orders, subject to Congressional approval, for a final procurement tally of 187 Raptors.[6] |
| 21:34.51 | Shefki | Not that this changes anything really. |
| 21:34.59 | Shefki | All it did was increase the price of the existing F22's |
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| 21:35.34 | Arrowmaster | Nuckin: nobody is allowed to do anything ingame on a personal account above what normal users can do on personal accounts |
| 21:35.35 | Shefki | Since the early planes always cost ridiculous amounts and as they order more and more the price comes down. |
| 21:35.37 | Nuckin | Dagmar: i think you should probably stop being a prick and realize that I stated what i believe to be true |
| 21:35.43 | Arrowmaster | nobody |
| 21:35.46 | Duman | oh, Talented got updated for 3.1, nice |
| 21:36.08 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: I've seen it |
| 21:36.16 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: From what I understand, they can't even run the special client outside of Blizzard offices that they need to do anything interesting. |
| 21:36.21 | Dagmar | Nuckin: You should also try to avoid calling people names. |
| 21:36.42 | Nuckin | Dagmar: oh bite me |
| 21:36.44 | Dagmar | Nuckin: ...and you stated what you stated as if it were fact. |
| 21:37.11 | Dagmar | Hey, I'm not the one who just talked about security labels that no one's ever heard of before |
| 21:37.11 | pnorman | Floor 13 or 14? |
| 21:37.28 | Shirik | ooh, floor 13 sounds fun |
| 21:37.38 | Shefki | Hey let's all make up wowace security clearances. |
| 21:37.44 | Arrowmaster | its fun to get on an elevator and ask somebody to hit floor 13 for you |
| 21:37.44 | Shirik | that's where you do all the security-sensitive stuff because the elevator always skips 13 |
| 21:37.46 | Shefki | It'll be fun. |
| 21:37.50 | Nuckin | Dagmar: could it be that they're shorthand? does it matter? no |
| 21:37.55 | Kirov | F22 is a fantastic plane, though I'm not sure how much actual service they'll see. |
| 21:38.00 | Dagmar | ...while simultaneously turning loose bits of information which, in all likelihood, mean your friend has violated his "ecurity clearance" |
| 21:38.22 | pnorman | that's a reference back to battle.net days when blizz tech support was in one floor, and the people in OTS refererred to themselves as being in the floor under it, just can't remember the floor numbers |
| 21:38.33 | Shirik | Kirov: Now that Bush is gone, thank god, it may not see much yes |
| 21:38.34 | Lunessa | Shefki: I want to be Double-Ultra-Super-Top-Secret. I'll respond to all requests for help with, "I'm sorry, but that information is classified." |
| 21:38.36 | Dagmar | Nuckin: You might want to consider that occasionally you're going to spout off in front of people with a long history of network and IT security experience |
| 21:38.36 | Kirov | The US military seems to like taking the most advanced, amazing technology we have, flaunting it to everyone, then refusing to use it in real war in case it gets damaged. |
| 21:38.40 | Dashkal | Oh beautiful! I was afraid I'd have to give up talented for a bit |
| 21:38.54 | Shirik | Lunessa: Then I want to be Triple-Ultra-Super-Top-Secret |
| 21:38.55 | Nuckin | Dagmar: all you're doing is arguing your theoretical assumptions of how blizzard runs |
| 21:39.02 | nevcairiel | jerry had been working on talented for 3.1 for quite a while now |
| 21:39.06 | foxlit | Kirov: but that's awesome! |
| 21:39.14 | Dagmar | Nuckin: No, I'm outright saying your friend has been having you on |
| 21:39.15 | Arrowmaster | meh i know classified government secrets im not suppost to know about |
| 21:39.20 | foxlit | As long as people *think* you'll use the big guns, you don't even have to dust them off. |
| 21:39.33 | Shefki | Lunessa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ULTRA |
| 21:39.35 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - you know about the aliens too? |
| 21:39.46 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: no |
| 21:39.57 | Kirov | Oh ... me either. |
| 21:40.01 | Nuckin | Dagmar: what? |
| 21:40.02 | Kirov | whistles innocently |
| 21:40.04 | durcyn | ~wiki OXCART |
| 21:40.06 | Lunessa | Shefki: Yeah, the stories of that era are AMAZING. :) |
| 21:40.06 | Shirik | omg |
| 21:40.09 | Dagmar | Nuckin: The other alternative is that you're yet another thirteen-year-old who likes to make stuff up to tell people online. |
| 21:40.09 | Shirik | wtb Shefki |
| 21:40.12 | Shirik | even if it's not used anymore |
| 21:40.15 | Dewin | Kirov: That's my department, and we have 100% definite proof that there are no aliens. |
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| 21:40.28 | Shirik | Just being able to say "I have an ULTRA security clearance" would be so awesome |
| 21:40.31 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I know that the projectile for little boy was female. That's technically classified still. |
| 21:40.34 | Shefki | Oops did I say that. |
| 21:40.43 | Nuckin | Dagmar: and you have some cute assumptions |
| 21:40.52 | Kirov | durcyn - can you imagine if they'd actually made the intercepter version of the A-12? |
| 21:40.54 | Dagmar | Nuckin: I also have a long resume. |
| 21:41.04 | Lunessa | Shefki: I was the FatMan. They dropped me in WWII and I'm BACK BABY! |
| 21:41.19 | Dagmar | Nuckin: Oh, yes. I also don't resort to namecalling quite as quickly as someone trying to cover for their errors. |
| 21:41.23 | Dashkal | Nuckin: If you haven't yet noticed, spreading rumours isn't really appreciated in here. If you can't back it up, zip it |
| 21:42.00 | Shefki | Lunessa: I'm not sure how to take that.... So you're a very old fat man. Thanks for sharing. :P |
| 21:42.52 | Arrowmaster | unfortunently i couldnt get ahold of the picture to back up what i know so i guess i wont say anything |
| 21:42.54 | Lunessa | Shefki: Actually, I joke about my age all the time. I turn 39 in 14 days. :( |
| 21:43.27 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Did the G-man take your camera? |
| 21:43.30 | nevcairiel | that doesnt explain the fat |
| 21:43.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So how has the response to WM been? |
| 21:43.45 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: QQ |
| 21:43.49 | nevcairiel | Alot of QQ |
| 21:43.50 | Jamash | ScytheBlade1: WAH WAH WAHHHH |
| 21:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, but how much? |
| 21:43.53 | nevcairiel | mostly on official forums |
| 21:44.09 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: But 10+ years of MMOs does. |
| 21:44.16 | Jamash | apparently the curse updater breaks addons and kills babies |
| 21:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:44.23 | Jamash | according to wowmatrix users |
| 21:44.24 | nevcairiel | Didn't blizz delete some excessive flame fest threads already? |
| 21:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll keep that in mind |
| 21:44.27 | nevcairiel | so its hard to tell |
| 21:44.34 | Nuckin | Dagmar: I'm convinced of the linux client's internal and non-public existence, which is somewhat likely regardless due to the fact that blizzard has already put the effort forth to make it work on a Unix kernel, though not the same libraries nor the same kernel, SIMILAR libraries and similar kernel make it a real possiblity |
| 21:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | nice of them |
| 21:44.38 | Shefki | Yeah supposedly Curse deletes your WTF files. |
| 21:44.48 | Shefki | Their proof is a screenshot that shows nothing. |
| 21:44.49 | Dagmar | Nuckin: So what |
| 21:44.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuckin: talking about the linux wow client? |
| 21:44.57 | kamdis | Cairenn's thread became a QQ fest and capped out. |
| 21:45.15 | nevcairiel | Shefki: obviously, because curse deleted it |
| 21:45.20 | nevcairiel | duh! |
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| 21:46.14 | Nuckin | Dagmar: But I know of this person's privileges in the game and I take his work to be the truth since he has demonstrated to me countless times to not be out to just propagate a rumor |
| 21:46.29 | Dagmar | Nuckin: So what |
| 21:46.44 | Shefki | Nuckin: Okay I'll bite, what did he demonstrate? |
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| 21:47.08 | Dagmar | Shefki: Apparently that he's able to run the client under Wine, I suspect |
| 21:47.19 | Shefki | Dagmar: Umm lots of people do that. |
| 21:47.25 | Dagmar | Shefki: I know |
| 21:47.26 | Nuckin | Dagmar: stop being a patronizing ass |
| 21:47.29 | nevcairiel | he still could be some entry-level GM that throws some technical terms around, shrug |
| 21:47.34 | Dagmar | Nuckin: Stop calling people names. |
| 21:47.37 | Shefki | Heck I've heard people say WoW runs better under Wine than Windows. |
| 21:47.46 | DWSR | Shefki: It does. |
| 21:47.46 | Nuckin | Dagmar: stop patronizing |
| 21:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is this linux/wow debate over? |
| 21:47.57 | Dagmar | Nuckin: Stop prevaricating. |
| 21:48.17 | Dashkal | I'm still waiting to see this mythical wine > windows performance :p Unless it's wine > vista in which case of course |
| 21:48.18 | Nuckin | Dagmar: Stop patronizing. |
| 21:48.20 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: I have no idea, but I'm being entertained. |
| 21:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:48.41 | Jamash | Dagmar doesn't belive Nuckin's friend works at a security company that Blizzard contracts and won't shut up about it |
| 21:48.41 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: its more about Nuckin claiming to have some insight knowledge, and Dagmar not buying in without any proof |
| 21:48.42 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: He's upset becuase he either made up or fell for some nonsense his friend made up about security clearances with respect to the WoW client, and multiple people called him out on it |
| 21:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Concerning the wow linux client? Interesting |
| 21:49.13 | Dagmar | Yeah, like that's any kind of secret |
| 21:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | As we have what amounts to an exact reason as to why it both existed at one point in time, and no longer does |
| 21:49.40 | tekkub | OH NOES Seerah|away is mad! |
| 21:49.58 | nevcairiel | What did you do to get Seerah mad? |
| 21:50.01 | p3lim | is it possible to make a new API alike :SetTexCoord(), just for PlayerModel frame(s)? |
| 21:50.05 | Jamash | stole his pants |
| 21:50.06 | tekkub | me? |
| 21:50.07 | tekkub | ME? |
| 21:50.11 | nevcairiel | YOU? |
| 21:50.12 | tekkub | I'm not an idjut user! |
| 21:50.20 | Nuckin | Shefki: he has personally item restored before and reserved slots in server queue lines |
| 21:50.21 | foxlit | p3lim: you want a 3d affine transform? |
| 21:50.23 | tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=126379&postcount=213 |
| 21:50.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, entirel unrelated, from another channel |
| 21:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Today, I went to the doctor because my arm hurt. When he told me I had tennis elbow I said "that's funny I don't play tennis". Then he asked me if I had a girlfriend. When I said no he said "Well I guess we solved this one." FML |
| 21:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | *entirely |
| 21:50.44 | p3lim | foxlit: no idea what 'affline' means, but i guess so |
| 21:50.52 | daev | rofl ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:51.01 | p3lim | i just want to be able to cut in model frames alike :SetTexCoords() can cut in textures |
| 21:51.18 | Shirik | Seerah|away can't be mad |
| 21:51.20 | Shirik | she's an angel |
| 21:51.25 | Jamash | do you mean just show part of the model frame? |
| 21:51.54 | DWSR | Shirik: Ever read the Old Testament, when God started smiting people left and right? |
| 21:52.01 | MentalPower | p3lim: can't you just zoom in? |
| 21:52.01 | nevcairiel | You can only move the camera and change the viewpower on models, you can't just cut them in half =P |
| 21:52.02 | DWSR | ANGELS OF DOOM BIOTCH |
| 21:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, hey, right |
| 21:52.07 | p3lim | MentalPower: no |
| 21:52.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I spammed this a day or two ago |
| 21:52.12 | foxlit | p3lim: go place them in a scrollframe |
| 21:52.15 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Science Fiction becomes Science Fact soon enough: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/04/super-snipers.html (hyperbole, so shoot me already!) |
| 21:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wowuidev <-- gogogo (if you have a steam account) |
| 21:52.27 | Shirik | didn't he also say he would never do something like that again? |
| 21:52.27 | Shefki | Nuckin: Mhmmm. |
| 21:52.31 | DWSR | does |
| 21:52.43 | Aqua | still no servers |
| 21:52.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Nuckin (i=43f6758e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b29b8af54c89fad) |
| 21:52.45 | Aqua | funny |
| 21:52.55 | p3lim | foxlit: youve tried that before, with success? |
| 21:53.00 | foxlit | no. |
| 21:53.04 | Shefki | Nuckin: I think I'll be nice and just laugh at you in person rather than on IRC. |
| 21:53.11 | Shirik | of course not |
| 21:53.11 | Shirik | I still have 28% to download |
| 21:53.11 | Shirik | servers can't come up until I'm done |
| 21:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:53.28 | nevcairiel | You don't use the torrent downloader, do you? |
| 21:53.35 | Shefki | Shirik: How can you have 28% to download... |
| 21:53.38 | Shirik | I use the official one |
| 21:53.46 | Nuckin | Shefki: its what i believe |
| 21:53.46 | nevcairiel | Why don't you get it from a mirror? |
| 21:53.51 | p3lim | I want to cut in the PlayerModel frame horizontally |
| 21:53.54 | Shirik | BECAUSE I'M ON WIRELESS AND BRIGHTHOUSE IS SHIT OK QQQQ |
| 21:53.58 | Dagmar | Go go gadget rapidshare account |
| 21:53.58 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 21:54.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:54.02 | p3lim | not sure if a scrollframe will do |
| 21:54.16 | Shefki | Nuckin: I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. I respect your right to believe what you believe |
| 21:54.21 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: I joined the group and the Steam score dropped 0.2 |
| 21:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: lol |
| 21:54.31 | Nuckin | Shefki: ... yea fuck you too |
| 21:54.35 | Shirik | lmao |
| 21:54.36 | p3lim | never used a scrollframe before though |
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| 21:54.43 | bleeter | WobWork: it's days like today I really appreciate Internode's mirrors. I managed to zap all my install media >< |
| 21:54.48 | Shirik | Okay guys |
| 21:54.52 | Shirik | I've been sitting back watching this for too long |
| 21:54.55 | Shirik | Enough of the personal attacks |
| 21:54.58 | Dagmar | Man I'm impressed that half the responses in that Wowi thread aren't "hush now, grown-ups are talking about important stuff" |
| 21:55.01 | Shirik | Especially vulgar ones |
| 21:55.03 | Shirik | That's your only warning |
| 21:55.08 | Dagmar | ...because they damn well deserve to be |
| 21:55.08 | DWSR | OH SHIT. |
| 21:55.10 | DWSR | runs |
| 21:55.11 | bleeter | NO NOT OK U NO HALP MY MATRIX PROBS SHIRIK |
| 21:55.14 | DWSR | hides |
| 21:55.19 | *** kick/#wowuidev [bleeter!n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 21:55.25 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 21:55.31 | bleeter | :( |
| 21:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:55.32 | DWSR | covers his ears and head and waits for the splosion. |
| 21:55.33 | Jamash | oh snap |
| 21:55.43 | Dagmar | The kid saying they should block port 80 takes the cake |
| 21:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: blame Shirik and Shirik alone for your wowmatrix failing to work |
| 21:55.49 | Dagmar | I dunno if that's a troll or what |
| 21:55.53 | bleeter | Dagmar: wut |
| 21:55.58 | Lunessa | bleeter: No one can tell you what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. |
| 21:56.01 | Dashkal | woot, downloaded and waiting for me |
| 21:56.08 | DWSR | bleeter: Just remember, there is no spoon. |
| 21:56.09 | Dagmar | bleeter: For hilarity, work backwards through http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=126379#post126379 |
| 21:56.13 | Dashkal | official downloader on the laptop is at... 20% |
| 21:56.22 | DWSR | Dashkal: Copy the patch from another computer? |
| 21:56.25 | Shefki | Clearly WoWMatrix is failing due to data corruption from a sun spot. |
| 21:56.29 | Jamash | time for snax |
| 21:56.34 | Shefki | Which is causing downloads to time out. |
| 21:56.34 | Dashkal | The other computer is in the next city over, that'll happen tomorrow :p |
| 21:56.49 | Aqua | dont' worry about the downloads, at the rate blizzard is going the servers aren't coming up |
| 21:57.02 | Shirik | I told you already |
| 21:57.09 | Shirik | I made special deal with Blizzard |
| 21:57.10 | Dashkal | I had no intention of playing on patch tuesday anyway. I just wanted the damn thing down so I could play tomorrow |
| 21:57.13 | Shirik | I'm the authentication server now |
| 21:57.19 | Shirik | impossible to authenticate before I patch |
| 21:57.22 | Shefki | Aqua: Blizzard needs to downtime on the realms to render the cinematic for Diablo III. |
| 21:57.29 | nevcairiel | Its good to be in the EU, i already have the full patch on my disc, i can go sleep now, patch in the morning, and see the servers coming back on time because they learned from the errors in the US =) |
| 21:57.52 | Thunder_Child | lol Shefki, using the wow servers as a rendering farm |
| 21:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: exactly. I'm not sure why so many EU people whine that they get it a day later, it makes no sense |
| 21:57.54 | Aqua | i still can't believe its out, but oh well |
| 21:58.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Vonhinten (n=Kiss@c-71-203-105-127.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 21:58.11 | Lunessa | *cries* http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/obama-taps-fift.html |
| 21:58.22 | Dashkal | I'm a little dissappointed... I wanted it to be another week. I was enjoying my time off |
| 21:58.38 | nevcairiel | Well "on time" is a bit of an exageration, but usually US takes longer to get back up |
| 21:58.45 | DWSR | Lunessa: He's an ugly mofo too. |
| 21:58.50 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Well, there's a small argument to be made that the RIAA has hired about three jillion lawyers |
| 21:58.53 | Dashkal | Lunessa: I'd say I'm glad I'm Canadian, but our leader isn't much better... At least he's hogtied by the minority |
| 21:59.02 | DWSR | Dashkal: Indeed. |
| 21:59.03 | Dagmar | ...but this is pretty damn questionable |
| 21:59.13 | foxlit | Meh, lawyer politics. |
| 21:59.23 | Lunessa | All I'm saying is the DoJ environment just got a lot more nasty. |
| 21:59.23 | Dashkal | Not really. Biden was bought and paid for |
| 21:59.35 | foxlit | It's just *possible* that those guys will argue whatever you pay them to argue |
| 21:59.35 | Aqua | yea it did, Lunessa is right |
| 22:00.06 | foxlit | So if they're employed by the RIAA, they'll argue for obscene damages awards. If they're employed by the DoJ, they'll argue whatever it is the DoJ argues. |
| 22:00.14 | foxlit | Probably that wiretapping you is for the children's good. |
| 22:00.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Aznamir (n=aznamir@ool-43544a0d.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:00.28 | Aqua | god i want to move to canada |
| 22:00.39 | Dagmar | foxlit: Or they might just get their other friends from the RIAA to start filing suits that even if you copy your own CD to your mp3 player, you're stealing |
| 22:00.40 | DWSR | http://is.gd/rZEv <- Wow. |
| 22:00.42 | Shirik | holy crap what happened |
| 22:00.45 | Dashkal | Aqua: No good. Stephen Harper has his head stuffed up Uncle Sam's ass |
| 22:00.46 | DWSR | Aqua: You and every other person in America. :) |
| 22:00.48 | Shirik | I'm all of a sudden downloading at 600K |
| 22:00.48 | Thunder_Child | so looking at a game it shows "other games you might like" 4 out of the 5 games have not been released yet....fail |
| 22:01.00 | foxlit | Shirik: blizzard seeds. |
| 22:01.16 | nevcairiel | either a blizz seed, or some guy with a high upload |
| 22:01.19 | nevcairiel | miracles happen |
| 22:01.26 | Aqua | go go fios seed |
| 22:01.27 | DWSR | That's why I love patch day. |
| 22:01.33 | Shefki | Shirik: Because even the Europeans have the patch already, you're the last person alive who needs it. :P |
| 22:01.37 | DWSR | I put the patch on my seedbox, and gogo gadget 2MB/S |
| 22:01.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:01.43 | DWSR | up, that is. |
| 22:01.46 | cncfanatics | "Of course, WowMatrix and it's ilk wouldn't be necessary at all if addon authors actually wrote addons that worked properly, instead of slinging blobs of broken code around." omg, I want to see this useless git write addons |
| 22:01.50 | Dashkal | Does the blizzard downloader do the router pnp thing? |
| 22:02.00 | DWSR | Dashkal: Yes. |
| 22:02.08 | Aqua | if your router supports upnp |
| 22:02.12 | DWSR | ^ |
| 22:02.13 | Nuckin | cncfanatics: sure |
| 22:02.14 | Dashkal | meh, then why is it so amazingly slow? *cries* |
| 22:02.15 | nevcairiel | I mirrored the enGB and deDE on my web server, and people can get it from there. 100 Mbit connection ftw, but of course only for guild and friends =P |
| 22:02.16 | Nuckin | lol |
| 22:02.18 | Dagmar | cncfanatics: Hence the "hush now, grown-ups are talking" being the truly appropriate response to most of it |
| 22:02.27 | durcyn | hrm, has anyone compared a major patch torrent peer list with the server addresses? i'm convinced the bastards are fucking up the game servers with torrent traffic |
| 22:02.35 | DWSR | Dashkal: Check the log to make sure that you actually got the port forwarded correctly. |
| 22:02.46 | DWSR | durcyn: No point. |
| 22:02.46 | bleeter | Dagmar: er thanks for that thread .. I think... lol |
| 22:02.48 | Aqua | upnp aint flawless |
| 22:02.58 | Dashkal | Oh well, really doesn't matter. I can just copy the damn thing to a usb key and bring it back tomorrow |
| 22:02.59 | bleeter | pretty sure I just lost what remaining IQ I had |
| 22:03.02 | Shefki | durcyn: I'm pretty sure Blizzard contracts out their download traffic. |
| 22:03.20 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah, I mirrored enUS on my website. :) |
| 22:03.23 | Nuckin | bleeter: WoWMatrix does that |
| 22:03.38 | nevcairiel | On another note durcyn, be glad you didn't take that bet on the patch release date yesterday %) |
| 22:03.44 | durcyn | nevcairiel: :( |
| 22:04.04 | durcyn | nevcairiel: i have a damn business trip on friday too, ulduar couldn't've come at a worse time =P |
| 22:04.15 | nevcairiel | heh, sucks |
| 22:04.36 | Aqua | thiis is when i take a week off wow |
| 22:04.43 | durcyn | though i don't think it'll be hard to get to YS in the first day or two, if you do everything else on easy mode |
| 22:04.45 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/temp/minimax |
| 22:04.49 | foxlit | There we go, madness complete |
| 22:04.54 | Dagmar | What would be fun would be if the IP addresses for Wowmatrix's servers somehow started getting pushed out to torrent clients as anotehr possible superseeder |
| 22:05.08 | Dagmar | ...but I never said anything like that |
| 22:05.28 | Dagmar | Directing thousands upon thousands of torrent clients to attempt to connect somewhere they're not supposed to would be wrong |
| 22:05.33 | Shefki | Dagmar: Shame... |
| 22:05.38 | Aqua | but funny... |
| 22:05.50 | foxlit | Wouldn't they just get bounced trivially? |
| 22:06.07 | Aqua | just a lot of useless network requests |
| 22:06.10 | foxlit | "Hey, knock on port 234323" "Shoo" "'kay" |
| 22:06.32 | Kaelten | ARE WE HAVING FUN YET! |
| 22:06.33 | Kaelten | ehem |
| 22:06.34 | Kaelten | sorry |
| 22:06.40 | DWSR | Kaelten: huggle! |
| 22:06.49 | DWSR | huggles Kaelten |
| 22:06.59 | DWSR | You deserve someone to send hookers to your house. |
| 22:07.00 | Shefki | Kaelten: Yes. I'm currently in Ulduar killing WoWMatrix users. |
| 22:07.00 | kamdis | hugs Kaelten again for good measure. |
| 22:07.13 | Kaelten | lol, thanks guys |
| 22:07.15 | kamdis | woot, Shefki. |
| 22:07.15 | Nuckin | Kaelten: "fun" |
| 22:07.20 | Kirov | Kaelten - what are you doing here? why aren't you working on making the curse updater more wow matrixie |
| 22:07.31 | Shirik | huggles Kaelten |
| 22:07.39 | Aznamir | Dammit, realms are still down |
| 22:07.45 | Kaelten | Kirov: because I prefer not to rip off other people |
| 22:07.46 | Kaelten | :D |
| 22:07.47 | Kirov | Quick, add more power leveling guild ads! |
| 22:07.55 | Kaelten | I am getting bitchy though.... |
| 22:07.55 | Kirov | guide |
| 22:07.57 | Shefki | Kirov: He works via osmosis... He has to absorb code from us |
| 22:08.03 | kamdis | "Beware the Curse updater" lol |
| 22:08.11 | kamdis | I contend that's PEBKAC |
| 22:08.18 | kamdis | or a flat out lie |
| 22:08.18 | Aqua | curse updater..... pos... |
| 22:08.23 | Shefki | kamdis: Of course it is. |
| 22:08.40 | DWSR | Kaelten: You going to be writing a module for Shirik's Updater? |
| 22:09.08 | kamdis | forums go boom again |
| 22:09.12 | Shirik | There really hasn't been any discussion about it, DWSR. I doubt he even knows the API, if he knows it exists at all |
| 22:09.15 | Dagmar | foxlit: Depending on how you scale it, nothing is entirely trivial |
| 22:09.44 | Shefki | So while we've been waiting for the servers today... I wrote an addon |
| 22:09.49 | Dagmar | foxlit: I've er I know people who have completely buggered sites by simply causing a lot of nameservice traffic to go their way |
| 22:09.51 | Tem|work | what was the 3pm PST update? |
| 22:09.52 | DWSR | Shirik: Doesn't mean it won't happen. |
| 22:09.59 | Tem|work | the forums are completely unresponsive for me |
| 22:10.04 | Aqua | Tem|work: its still broke, and they are working on it |
| 22:10.08 | DWSR | An Official Curse module for your updater would be nice. |
| 22:10.09 | Shirik | Just saying he might not be in a position to answer that |
| 22:10.16 | Shefki | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/icwutudidthere.aspx |
| 22:10.26 | DWSR | Shirik: Which is still a perfectly acceptable answer in my eyes. |
| 22:10.29 | Tem|work | Aqua: can you give me the exact text? |
| 22:10.35 | Tem|work | I'm referring to "Thank you for your patience. We are actively testing and verifying the realms to ensure the best possible play experience when they are back online. We currently do not have a definite estimate on when they will be playable, but we will provide another update at approximately 3:00PM PDT. " |
| 22:10.41 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: it most likely wont happen |
| 22:10.46 | Tem|work | what exactly was said at 3? |
| 22:10.49 | Aqua | hold on |
| 22:11.30 | DWSR | tem|afk: It's only 3:11. |
| 22:11.33 | Aqua | Thank You for your patience we are actively testing and verifying the realms to ensure the best possible play experience. |
| 22:11.43 | DWSR | Tem|work: Just chill, and give them a minute. |
| 22:11.50 | Tem|work | that's what they said at 2, Aqua |
| 22:12.00 | Duman | they keep saying the same thing erach hour, don't worry |
| 22:12.00 | Aqua | No definite uptime, but next update at 4 PDT |
| 22:12.01 | nevcairiel | On 3 they said its now 4 PM |
| 22:12.10 | Shefki | DWSR: OMG minute is up. QQ |
| 22:12.24 | DWSR | Shefki: :D |
| 22:12.26 | Shirik | It's ok guys |
| 22:12.26 | Duman | this morning, I predicted things wouldn't be up before 4pm.. we'll see ;) |
| 22:12.27 | Tem|work | DWSR: *shrug* they said an update at 3 and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss it before I left here |
| 22:12.27 | DWSR | btw guys. |
| 22:12.28 | Aqua | i bet its like 7'ish |
| 22:12.28 | Shirik | I'm at 93% |
| 22:12.34 | DWSR | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 22:12.36 | Shirik | Servers will be up soon |
| 22:12.44 | DWSR | Shirik: No they won't. 48 hours of downtime. |
| 22:12.51 | DWSR | and a free day on your account. |
| 22:13.01 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/14371/3a2c374eb30e76cf8c63bcc41c88518b.jpg |
| 22:13.05 | Tem|work | agrees with Shirik |
| 22:13.09 | durcyn | DWSR: it's happened before, and it'll happen again |
| 22:13.14 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you really sprinted there |
| 22:13.18 | Aqua | BSG reference gogogogo |
| 22:13.25 | bleeter | I thought you guys said Outfitter was available again? WoWI's page seems to disagree :( |
| 22:13.28 | Shirik | We already went over this. Servers will be up when I finish patching. |
| 22:13.31 | Shirik | They're waiting for me. |
| 22:13.37 | nevcairiel | maybe he didnt get to it yet, bleeter |
| 22:13.44 | bleeter | oh hmm i guess lol |
| 22:13.45 | kamdis | sings to Aqua, "All along the watchtower..." |
| 22:13.49 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - one's black? |
| 22:14.03 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, RACIST!! |
| 22:14.06 | Tem|work | Shirik: make em wait on me too, please |
| 22:14.12 | Tem|work | heads home |
| 22:14.17 | NeoTron | kamdis: I'm a Barbie girl, in a barbie world... err never mind |
| 22:14.24 | Shirik | I will take this time to learn the fights |
| 22:14.29 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - oh, sorry. One is a damn dirty ni...ght show host |
| 22:14.31 | DWSR | http://is.gd/ss54 <-- Anyone see the humour in this, besides the AIDS campaign? |
| 22:14.44 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, better |
| 22:14.48 | Nuckin | so has anyone developed a lua parser with the wow API in it to test addons without requiring WoW? |
| 22:14.56 | DWSR | Nuckin: Noop. |
| 22:15.09 | *** part/#wowuidev Steggers (n=Steggers@78.145.250.173) |
| 22:15.10 | Nuckin | DWSR: too bad |
| 22:15.14 | foxlit | someone has. |
| 22:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuckin: an attempt has been made. I think it died pre-2.0. |
| 22:15.19 | foxlit | It's just way out of date. |
| 22:15.23 | durcyn | ~google wowbench |
| 22:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wowbench |
| 22:15.29 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: WoWBench - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft <http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench> |
| 22:15.33 | durcyn | damn your bot. |
| 22:15.35 | Lunessa | So much noise: http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/congressman-to.html |
| 22:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | not mine |
| 22:15.41 | durcyn | damn batrick's bot. |
| 22:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go |
| 22:16.10 | durcyn | kicks purl |
| 22:16.11 | kd3 | doobie doobie doo... |
| 22:16.19 | kd3 | keeps himself from looking at the wiki or the forums |
| 22:16.44 | Nuckin | ScytheBlade1: too bad its out of date |
| 22:16.56 | Arrowmaster | it never fully worked in the first place |
| 22:16.59 | Nuckin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.15 | kd3 | so swap it up with /console reloadui |
| 22:17.28 | durcyn | prototype stuff in wowlua then |
| 22:17.29 | Arrowmaster | or just /rl |
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| 22:17.38 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: sorry, I'll rephrase, "Too bad it doesn't work" |
| 22:17.43 | Trela | performs a sexy no jutsu upon entering. <.< >.> |
| 22:17.57 | DWSR | Lunessa: Sucks to be an American. |
| 22:18.00 | DWSR | I still have uncapped internet. |
| 22:18.20 | Nuckin | kd3: lol no just the whole reloading the UI itself gets old |
| 22:18.22 | Lunessa | It does not suck to be an American. :P |
| 22:18.32 | Trela | Capped internet? Where?! |
| 22:19.21 | DWSR | I heart my interwebs. |
| 22:19.23 | Dagmar | Caps here are 250gb a month |
| 22:19.27 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 22:19.32 | DWSR | I download like 250GB a week. |
| 22:19.39 | Dagmar | If you can burn through 250Gb a month, it's time to stop masturbating so much |
| 22:19.46 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/11862/b8a554c951bdbd2fba892180cd2cb0a1.jpg |
| 22:19.49 | Shirik | How you know you've been testing wowi for too long: |
| 22:19.50 | Nuckin | DWSR: that's a lot of porn |
| 22:19.54 | DWSR | Nuckin: Hardly. |
| 22:19.58 | foxlit | "Nuckin: /script ReloadUI(); just gets old =/" << perhaps if you didn't make so many mistakes requiring reloads... :) |
| 22:20.03 | Shirik | When clicking a download button, you see "TomTom-r195 (107).zip" |
| 22:20.07 | DWSR | Nuckin: Mostly it's HD movies, lossless music, etc. etc. |
| 22:20.23 | Nuckin | DWSR: shhhh, the RIAA is near... |
| 22:20.38 | Shirik | zomg 100% downloaded |
| 22:20.40 | Shirik | 5% updated |
| 22:20.40 | DWSR | Nuckin: I DOWNLOAD MY MUSIC IN LOSSLESS. |
| 22:20.41 | Nuckin | foxlit: welll... you win this round |
| 22:20.48 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Rofl |
| 22:20.57 | Shirik | servers coming up very soon |
| 22:21.00 | Nuckin | shakes his fist at foxlit |
| 22:21.03 | Dagmar | DWSR: You do realize that 250Gb is about five days of non-stop video streaming, right? |
| 22:21.04 | Jamash|snax | lossless is only ~300MB an album |
| 22:21.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes. |
| 22:21.17 | Jamash|snax | you download 100 albums a week? |
| 22:21.18 | DWSR | Jamash|snax: 24/96 lossless. |
| 22:21.19 | Dagmar | DWSR: Masturbate less |
| 22:21.29 | DWSR | Is more like 1.5GB per album, and I see. |
| 22:21.30 | DWSR | seed* |
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| 22:21.36 | Nuckin | DWSR: and type your sentences with caps lock, thats gotta rack up the bytes |
| 22:21.38 | DWSR | So I suppose I should say I transfer* |
| 22:21.41 | kd3 | $ du -hs /data/pub/music |
| 22:21.41 | kd3 | 111G/data/pub/music |
| 22:21.45 | DWSR | Nuckin: rofl. :D |
| 22:21.50 | kd3 | ponders where that "300MB an album" bit came from |
| 22:22.01 | Dagmar | kd3: Apple guestimates I suspect |
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| 22:22.11 | DWSR | kd3: It's a bit more. |
| 22:22.15 | DWSR | for FLAC, at any rate. |
| 22:22.16 | mikma | cairenn|afk: HALP! some dude said his wowmatrix is working again |
| 22:22.24 | kd3 | oh, I'm well aware, dwsr |
| 22:22.27 | Lunessa | kd3: Isn't raw CD audio data something like 600 mb or so / disc? |
| 22:22.29 | Jamash|snax | I get about 2:1 compression on CD -> FLAC |
| 22:22.44 | DWSR | Jamash|snax: yeah, but I use 24/96 wherever possible. |
| 22:22.47 | Dagmar | I'm hitting all my CDs with lame 0, and they're all coming out below 200Mb each |
| 22:22.57 | Dagmar | Lunessa: It is |
| 22:22.57 | Jamash|snax | DWSR: ah |
| 22:22.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: LAME is well...LAME. |
| 22:23.06 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what quality do you get just 5 days from 250gb? |
| 22:23.12 | Dagmar | DWSR: Clearly it's beating the heck out of whatever data-padding utility you're using |
| 22:23.21 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: 1.1Gb/hour |
| 22:23.22 | Trela | Bah, Blizzard copy and pasted the last update extending it out another hour. |
| 22:23.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, I'm using lossless audio. |
| 22:23.32 | DWSR | LAME is lossy. |
| 22:23.37 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: that is not a streamable rate |
| 22:23.45 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yes it is |
| 22:23.56 | Jamash|snax | I doubt I could hear the difference between w/e DWSR is using and what I have |
| 22:24.05 | Dagmar | DWSR: I doubt you could ever tell the difference |
| 22:24.48 | DWSR | Jamash|snax: 24/96? Yeah, but I do a lot of transcoding. |
| 22:25.06 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's not something sensible providers stream over dvb/atsc, but it's doable |
| 22:25.07 | DWSR | I usually take a 24/96 and transcode down to 16/45, V0, V2, and 320 CBR. |
| 22:25.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: Not for 24/96 lossless, but I can hear the difference between V0 and Lossless, and I use it for the trasncode utility. |
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| 22:25.35 | Dagmar | Any way you slice it tho, 250Gb is a *lot* of porno |
| 22:25.45 | Dagmar | DWSR: Sure you can |
| 22:26.00 | DWSR | Dagmar: Don't make me troll you again. :) |
| 22:26.24 | Shirik | I mean, 250GB is quite a lot. By the time you finish all 250GB you could probably recirculate it. |
| 22:26.26 | Arrowmaster | supposedly i have 56days worth of anime |
| 22:26.33 | Tuller | Ackis: did they not implement the animation system? :P |
| 22:26.41 | Dagmar | DWSR: If you could tell the difference, then you did something wrong when you invoked lame |
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| 22:26.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, I just have good ears. |
| 22:27.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: Lame's maximum quality setting is 320kbps. |
| 22:27.15 | DWSR | FLAC, for the same input file, it's ~1000kbps. |
| 22:27.16 | Dagmar | Really? |
| 22:27.21 | DWSR | Uhuh. |
| 22:27.22 | Dagmar | 320kbps you say |
| 22:28.09 | Nuckin | DWSR do you really need more than 320kbps? |
| 22:28.27 | DWSR | Nuckin: Yes, as I have already stated. |
| 22:28.43 | Arrowmaster | bit rate is a subjective number depending on the format |
| 22:28.50 | Kalroth | FLAC is lossless, hence it'll need a much higher bitrate |
| 22:28.51 | DWSR | Nuckin: Additionally, it's not just the 320kbps limit, but also the frequency response range gets lowered when converting from CD->LAME. |
| 22:29.09 | DWSR | With lossless, I get everything. |
| 22:29.11 | Dagmar | I bet he buys those Denon interconnect cables, too then |
| 22:29.36 | DWSR | You can't tell the difference between Denon cables, Monster cables, and a wire coathangar. |
| 22:29.42 | Nuckin | DWSR, true, i just usually settle on 192kbps MP3 since it works on everything |
| 22:29.44 | Dagmar | DWSR: By the way, I'm not impressed by your attempt to tell me LAME is using a CBR mechanism when I know very well I'm telling it to use a variable one |
| 22:30.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: LAME has 2 modes (3, but 1's just a variation of another). |
| 22:30.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: The highest quality is 320CBR. |
| 22:30.14 | DWSR | V0 is the next one down. |
| 22:30.16 | Dagmar | DWSR: Cite it |
| 22:30.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: Gladly. |
| 22:30.24 | Arrowmaster | lame has CBR, VBR, and ABR |
| 22:30.26 | Dagmar | Cite somewhere on the web that says this |
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| 22:31.00 | Arrowmaster | says what? |
| 22:31.03 | DWSR | http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME#Detailed_explanation_.28long_answer.29 |
| 22:31.07 | Shefki | OMG some WowI admin approve my addon. |
| 22:31.18 | Nuckin | begins to write the wikipedia entry saying it. |
| 22:31.29 | DWSR | http://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/lame/lame/USAGE |
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| 22:31.53 | DWSR | 1 from LAME directly, the other from Hydrogen Audio, which is one of the most well respected audio communities on the web. |
| 22:32.03 | DWSR | LAME has 2 modes of operation, VBR and CBR. |
| 22:32.04 | Dagmar | So, clearly like most people, you have bitrate and quality confused. |
| 22:32.15 | DWSR | No, 320 and V0 both imply q0. |
| 22:33.23 | Dagmar | 320 doesn't imply any quality level at all. |
| 22:33.56 | DWSR | Fine, let me find you the graph of audio quality with respect to LAME presets. |
| 22:35.02 | Dagmar | So, what bugs you so much about lossy encoding that you're going to this much trouble? |
| 22:35.07 | Dagmar | I actually *own* the albums. |
| 22:35.14 | Arrowmaster | its lossy |
| 22:35.26 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's lossy. |
| 22:35.29 | Dagmar | I don't have to obsess over whether my numbers are acceptably large and hard. |
| 22:35.57 | DWSR | It has nothing to do with numbers at the end of the day, but what those numbers represent. |
| 22:35.58 | Arrowmaster | i purchased one of the 2500 NIN Ghosts Collectors editon box sets, i still downloaded the album in flac |
| 22:36.07 | Dagmar | ...and being that I'm not sitting in a soundproofed studio listening with a five-thousand dollar pair of headphones, it deosn't make a damn bit of difference if I use lame with -V 0 |
| 22:36.15 | tem | oh god damnit, Blizzard Uploader |
| 22:36.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're right, to you it doesn't. |
| 22:36.20 | DWSR | to me, it does. |
| 22:36.22 | tem | it's eating all my up bandwidth |
| 22:36.35 | Kaelten | lolz |
| 22:36.36 | DWSR | And not just for the fact that I can tell the difference. |
| 22:36.40 | Kaelten | they've disabled posting on the forums |
| 22:36.45 | DWSR | Kaelten: rofl |
| 22:36.48 | Kaelten | I'm getting tired of these people |
| 22:37.02 | tem | so trying to get some last minute addon updates is failing horribly |
| 22:37.04 | Dagmar | The number of times I've heard people make that claim and fail to be able to back it up makes it not worth arguing |
| 22:38.30 | tem | Kaelten, what people? |
| 22:38.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: I've provided an additional reason besides the quality difference. |
| 22:38.37 | DWSR | Dagmar: Don't taze me, bro. |
| 22:39.14 | Jamash | SERVERS |
| 22:39.32 | Dewin | noo! My productivity will come to a halt! |
| 22:39.50 | Jamash | not the one I actually play on, but some of them |
| 22:39.52 | Dewin | Of course I have at least 30 minutes, my server is one of the last up, always. |
| 22:40.51 | Esamynn | servers are just coming back up now? |
| 22:41.10 | Shirik | oh look |
| 22:41.12 | Shirik | servers are coming up |
| 22:41.16 | Shirik | and my update is complete |
| 22:41.18 | DWSR | Jamash: US-Nazjatar up? |
| 22:41.21 | Shirik | Coincidence? I THINK NOT |
| 22:41.28 | durcyn | ~lart Shirik |
| 22:41.28 | purl | beats Shirik severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 22:41.31 | Jamash | DWSR: no |
| 22:41.58 | Nuckin | DWSR only a handful of US realms are up |
| 22:42.01 | Esamynn | Shirik: I tried to patch this morning while I got ready for work, updater decided it was going to fail with a strange error :( |
| 22:42.13 | bleeter | what I wanna know is.. why no new alchy recipes :( |
| 22:42.20 | Arrowmaster | you know i think more harm was probably done in the long run by Cairenn saying that the new WoWI client is going to be extendable, now everybody thinks it will be a universial client and that there will be a curse plugin for it |
| 22:42.23 | Aznamir | stuck on "retrieving character list" |
| 22:42.31 | Jamash | Aznamir: same |
| 22:42.45 | bleeter | same |
| 22:43.06 | Nuckin | bleeter. blizzard secretly hates Alchemists |
| 22:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: almost certainly. The same way when GC says "we're thinking about X, or maybe Y." people assume they WILL get X and Y :P |
| 22:44.29 | kamdis | Nuckin: We hate them too. |
| 22:45.16 | Jamash | better than engineers |
| 22:46.15 | Kaelten | tem the people justifing wowmatrix as acceptable. |
| 22:46.38 | tem | Kaelten, ew |
| 22:46.52 | Kaelten | yeah I've been loosiing my temper a little. |
| 22:46.54 | Nuckin | kamdis. that explains it |
| 22:46.59 | Kaelten | something I don't do too often |
| 22:47.08 | nevcairiel | I told you |
| 22:47.10 | nevcairiel | sad-panda |
| 22:48.01 | NeoTron | bleeter: we got a new miniflask? :P |
| 22:50.33 | haste | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1239749149106.jpg |
| 22:51.31 | Lunessa | Kaelten: Nah man, you've been down-right polite and sociable. I've been restraining myself from posting any further on the topic 'cause I don't need a permanent forum vacation/post-wipe. |
| 22:51.52 | tekkub | I like this Vyper person |
| 22:51.53 | kd3 | ^ precisely why I still haven't looked at the forums today |
| 22:52.06 | Codayus | I'm with Lunessa on this one. |
| 22:52.12 | nicoli_s | i dont know how you could be getting upset kaeltan, do you not like being called a nazi? |
| 22:52.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i pretty much stay away from the official forms altogether for that reason |
| 22:52.50 | Lunessa | No sense in losing my Vista sticky because I shoot my goddamned mouth off. |
| 22:53.34 | Codayus | It's that wonderful mixture of incredibly low IQ, immeasurably vast sense of entitlement, and the writing skills of a hamster on crack that really define the average forum poster, I think... |
| 22:53.59 | Stanzilla | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16366357826&sid=1 more idiots plx >.< |
| 22:54.16 | Codayus | ...well, that might be unfair to hamsters. I'm not sure how they respond to crack. They might well retain significant ability to communicate while under the influence. |
| 22:54.57 | Dagmar | Codayus: Don't forget lack of swift and firm-handed punishment every time they post something incredibly stupid to the forums |
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| 22:55.15 | Dagmar | If we killed trolls more often, and I mean acutally _killed_ them, there would not be this problem |
| 22:55.37 | Taroven | Blargh... wonder how much longer downtime's gonna be. |
| 22:55.41 | Dagmar | A few dead 12-year-olds, some nationwide press, and that problem would start fading |
| 22:55.52 | Codayus | Dagmar: Mmm, that really does accentuate the problem. 99 times out of 100, Bliz ignores everything. 1 time in 100, they'll postwipe someone random. |
| 22:55.55 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm hoping at least an hour or so more. :) |
| 22:56.03 | Taroven | Hehe. |
| 22:56.19 | Taroven | I could use it, rewriting my addon atm. XD |
| 22:56.24 | Codayus | Almost any moderation level would be better if it was consistent. |
| 22:56.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm (sort of) doing real work. :P |
| 22:56.47 | kd3 | there's times I want EJ-levels of moderation |
| 22:57.46 | bleeter | anyone been able to get a character list yet? |
| 22:58.12 | Jamash | not I |
| 22:58.41 | Aznamir | Yay! My character is in! |
| 22:58.41 | bleeter | Jamash: bnet or original account type? |
| 22:58.42 | Dashkal | Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to not have any updaters of any kind... Too much convenience seems to lead inevitably to entitlement. |
| 22:58.44 | Codayus | I don't think it'd need to be that strong - although it could be. Banning people for using ellipses is probably over the top though... |
| 22:58.50 | Jamash | bleeter: original |
| 23:00.24 | bleeter | tech say char list servers not quite ready yet |
| 23:00.34 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16403140169&pageNo=2&sid=1#35 |
| 23:00.39 | Codayus | Stanzilla: Ouch, just looked at that link. The levels of fail... >< |
| 23:00.51 | Stanzilla | indeed :( |
| 23:01.38 | Kaelten | Lunessa: lol |
| 23:03.14 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten: has using somebodys unsecured wireless been brought up yet in any threads? |
| 23:03.20 | kd3 | hokay. time to tempt fate and look at the UI forum |
| 23:03.22 | Kaelten | lol |
| 23:05.26 | Legorol | i wish i was able to recall how i stumbled onto this IRC channel for the first time (or to be more precise, the original cosmos channel) |
| 23:05.40 | Legorol | but i just don't remember how i got here :) |
| 23:06.02 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: In reference to what? |
| 23:06.15 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Ohh you mean as an example? |
| 23:06.17 | Arrowmaster | claims that wowmatrix isnt stealing bandwidth |
| 23:06.29 | Lunessa | Legorol: You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave! |
| 23:06.39 | Shefki | Hotel #wowuidev |
| 23:06.40 | bleeter | ouch lol |
| 23:06.43 | bleeter | realms dead |
| 23:06.48 | airtonix | lulz |
| 23:06.52 | Arrowmaster | people have been arested for using unsecured wifi |
| 23:06.57 | Lunessa | guitar solos. |
| 23:07.33 | nevcairiel | Do they arrest you just for havign an open wifi? |
| 23:07.35 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I think it's kinda a gray area becuase some unsecured wifi's are intended to be publically usable. |
| 23:07.35 | Legorol | Lunessa: are you sure? |
| 23:07.57 | Lunessa | He'll be back. He has to come back, even if it's only to gloat. |
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| 23:08.26 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: but its illegal if the owner hasnt given you permission |
| 23:08.40 | airtonix | no arrow means that if the person who owns the wifi point(which isnt encrypted etc) is subject to un-authorised usage and is able to identifiy and report the thief...then etc etc |
| 23:08.41 | Nuckin | i wonder if the WoWI addon survival guide is gonna get some updates heh |
| 23:08.44 | nevcairiel | Here they just hold you responsible for any and all actions happening on the wifi .. get child porn on your IP from some random guy? Your fault for not securing your wifi, you get the full penalty |
| 23:09.40 | airtonix | and waht nevcairiel said too..but if you report some one for using your wifi without your permission...then thats also something that can happen |
| 23:09.57 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: That would happen here too. There's a reason my wifi is secured and a laugh at my neighbors. |
| 23:10.11 | airtonix | but really, you just ned up making your self look foolish due to not securing the wifi |
| 23:10.34 | nevcairiel | WPA2 isnt that hard to setup |
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| 23:10.42 | nevcairiel | add some mac filters, and all is nice |
| 23:10.55 | nevcairiel | Well as nice as it can be |
| 23:10.57 | Legorol | heck, simple WEP is sufficient |
| 23:11.13 | Legorol | your average wifi leecher doesn't go beyond unpassworded access |
| 23:11.15 | nevcairiel | WEP isnt considered secure anymore in german courts, they'll still convict you |
| 23:11.22 | Jamash | wep only keeps out the casual user |
| 23:11.22 | airtonix | my friend has an wifi node that is secured with waffer thin policies and is designed to infect those who try to break through it |
| 23:11.29 | Legorol | nevcairiel: lol? that's really bad |
| 23:11.41 | nevcairiel | WEP isnt secure |
| 23:11.49 | Legorol | nevcairiel: an average computer illiterate person shouldn't have to know the fine details of security |
| 23:11.50 | nevcairiel | you can crack it in minutes on a chatty wifi |
| 23:12.03 | Lunessa | WEP really isn't secure. But it's sufficient in most cases. |
| 23:12.06 | Legorol | yes i know it's not very secure, but to say that someone using WEP hasn't attempted to secure it is just... ugh |
| 23:12.18 | Kaelten | it's not secure, it's jsut an annoying |
| 23:12.20 | nevcairiel | well of course it depends on the case and the nature of the incident |
| 23:12.23 | Dagmar | Moral of the story: Don't allow open-air access to networks you need to keep secure |
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| 23:12.32 | nevcairiel | But it was ruled to be insecure before |
| 23:13.09 | Legorol | mmm, 1235 downloads of my addon in 24 hours :o) neat |
| 23:13.17 | Legorol | patchday is here, woot! |
| 23:14.08 | bleeter | oO 'posting is currently restricted on this forum' |
| 23:14.23 | nevcairiel | they had to limit the QQ |
| 23:15.08 | Arrowmaster | my wifi uses a 63 character WPA2 key |
| 23:15.44 | Arrowmaster | 63 character string or a 64 byte number is the max length |
| 23:16.34 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Good man! Now add MAC filtering and you're golden. :) |
| 23:16.45 | Arrowmaster | no need |
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| 23:17.08 | nevcairiel | SSID broadcast off? |
| 23:17.16 | Arrowmaster | its enabled |
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| 23:17.24 | bleeter | goes back to wondering why bnet sends his actual name to his wow client |
| 23:17.30 | nevcairiel | thats the first thing that i usually turn off =P |
| 23:17.33 | Shefki | I use WEP but you have to authenticate to pass traffic to the wired network. I consider the wireless untrusted. |
| 23:17.41 | Arrowmaster | disabling ssid broadcast doesnt do anything |
| 23:17.42 | AbsolutRayne | Afternoon all |
| 23:17.42 | bleeter | oh that's right, website stuff... BUT THIS IS TEH GAEM |
| 23:17.54 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: you need to look harder to actually find the net |
| 23:18.02 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Yup since the SSID is still discoverable from the network traffic. |
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| 23:18.19 | nevcairiel | of course it is, except if the net is silent :) |
| 23:18.20 | Arrowmaster | any decent wireless scanner will still detect it |
| 23:18.36 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'd say the difference is between putting up an address sign on your house or someone having to look at your two neighbors to figure out your address. |
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| 23:18.43 | bleeter | kd3: yeah, if you hadn't noticed... bnet sends your actual name, allong with account names, to your game client when you log in to wow with merged multiple accounts |
| 23:19.26 | bleeter | "<account 1><account 2><MY BNET REGISTERED FULL NAME HERE><selected account>" |
| 23:19.39 | kd3 | oh wtf |
| 23:19.43 | kd3 | fires up wireshark |
| 23:19.54 | Dagmar | Meh your macs are already sending that info out |
| 23:19.54 | Shefki | I'm not really fond of the bnet accounts becuase they use an email address to log in. |
| 23:19.57 | bleeter | i'd be curious if it does this with single accounts on a bnet |
| 23:19.59 | nevcairiel | calls the EULA police |
| 23:20.04 | mikma | UAAAA UAAAA |
| 23:20.06 | Shefki | Which I find to be kinda ridiculous. |
| 23:20.08 | kd3 | oh noes. an email address |
| 23:20.10 | kd3 | has like 38 |
| 23:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:20.23 | Shadowed | aw bvack to text versions |
| 23:20.25 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, exactly |
| 23:20.25 | Shefki | kd3: Yes but it's the email address you need to regain control of your account if you get hacked. |
| 23:20.31 | Shadowed | did WoWMatrix figure out that the dates were images? |
| 23:20.44 | Shefki | kd3: So if you're a smart cracker you try to break into that email account too. |
| 23:20.45 | kd3 | so... don't be an idiot and watch out for the keyloggers? |
| 23:20.59 | kd3 | my bnet account is only used for bnet |
| 23:21.06 | bleeter | Shefki: the bit that annoyed me, I did a bunch of transfers and stuff yesterday. Not a SINGLE email... neithger to the old wow accoun t email address or the bnet registered address :( |
| 23:21.13 | Shefki | kd3: I'm not an idiot, I have an authenticator. I still think using the email address is silly. |
| 23:21.18 | bleeter | no confirmations or anythings |
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| 23:21.44 | foxlit | Shadowed: the dates are images? :) |
| 23:21.58 | Shadowed | err versions |
| 23:21.59 | Shadowed | not dates |
| 23:22.06 | bleeter | kd3: lemme know if you see your name in the login sequence. I did a 'follow stream' just for kicks last night and it stuck out like dog's nuts |
| 23:22.15 | bleeter | well, my name did... obviously not yours >< |
| 23:22.32 | bleeter | i would've been far more concerned if kd3's name appeared in my login sequence :D |
| 23:23.39 | Shirik | servers coming back online (again) fyi |
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| 23:23.48 | Shirik | only see 2 up right now but just fyi |
| 23:24.06 | Lunessa | bleeter: dog's nuts are visually unappealing. |
| 23:24.09 | Nuckin | I see 0 |
| 23:24.23 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: i think they switched to a java download widget, a bit similar to the flash one Curse uses .. just in java, to hide the links |
| 23:24.32 | Shadowed | doesn't look like it |
| 23:24.41 | nevcairiel | log out? :) |
| 23:24.52 | Shadowed | minor detail |
| 23:25.04 | Shadowed | so they did |
| 23:25.20 | Shirik | yes we did |
| 23:25.38 | nevcairiel | Just hope that wowm doesnt flood you with false user accounts |
| 23:25.58 | TecnoBrat | heh |
| 23:26.00 | Arrowmaster | i think if they did that would just open the door to legal action |
| 23:26.03 | TecnoBrat | they did that to you nevcairiel ? |
| 23:26.15 | nevcairiel | no, but the general idea has been in the room |
| 23:26.51 | bleeter | Shirik: servers have been up and down. getting the char list has been problematic ;) |
| 23:26.55 | kd3 | hm |
| 23:27.01 | Shirik | well they all went offline for a while |
| 23:27.03 | kd3 | yay, my real name in cleartext |
| 23:27.06 | Shirik | and I've been watching the list |
| 23:27.08 | kd3 | and my wow account |
| 23:27.11 | kd3 | fail, blizz |
| 23:27.17 | Shirik | kd3? |
| 23:27.31 | Thrae | Must be 5PM PST. Dammit. |
| 23:27.35 | kd3 | [19:18:43] <bleeter> kd3: yeah, if you hadn't noticed... bnet sends your actual name, allong with account names, to your game client when you log in to wow with merged multiple accounts |
| 23:27.35 | kd3 | [19:19:26] <bleeter> "<account 1><account 2><MY BNET REGISTERED FULL NAME HERE><selected account>" |
| 23:27.38 | bleeter | kd3: just one account? or multiples |
| 23:27.39 | kd3 | even only with one account |
| 23:27.44 | bleeter | kd3: wow |
| 23:27.51 | bleeter | I was putting it down to some kinda merged thingie |
| 23:27.53 | Shadowed | wonder why they send your name |
| 23:27.57 | Dagmar | lol this is actually pretty funny |
| 23:28.05 | kd3 | anyway, afk food |
| 23:28.05 | bleeter | kd3: the other thing is that it's related to the web pages where they personalise your name |
| 23:28.07 | Dagmar | "<Evilpig> NOOOOOO!!!! I go start dinner and come back to less server then before!" |
| 23:28.25 | bleeter | kd3: I suspect it's some generic thing pushed out by the auth servers, used by the websites but thrown away by games |
| 23:28.28 | ZorbaTHut | hey guys my raid starts in an hour |
| 23:28.31 | ZorbaTHut | think I'll make it? |
| 23:28.39 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: only if you fix my WOWMATRIX |
| 23:28.45 | Thrae | bleeter: I thought that part of their auth process had been plaintext for a while? |
| 23:28.45 | nevcairiel | think your raid will be there to wait for you? |
| 23:28.47 | ZorbaTHut | fix step 1 delete wowmatrix |
| 23:28.53 | ZorbaTHut | fix step 2 install something else |
| 23:28.55 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: kk |
| 23:28.59 | bleeter | thxm8 |
| 23:29.03 | ZorbaTHut | np gl hf |
| 23:29.09 | NeoTron | whee I'm now in the queue for kilrogg |
| 23:29.16 | bleeter | Thrae: what, sending your name to you in cleartext has been part of it for a while? |
| 23:29.31 | bleeter | Thrae: and by name I mean... first and last name as per birth certificate/account registration |
| 23:30.07 | Thrae | bleeter: There have been known cleartext problems with the auth process. Not sure exactly what. I just opt for the $1/month VPN Access to their servers. |
| 23:30.26 | Thrae | Why? Because I smoke pot. |
| 23:30.35 | Shirik | any healing priests online? I want to know what's thought of my spec |
| 23:30.47 | Thrae | Shirik: Dual Spec time? |
| 23:30.50 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: vpn to who? |
| 23:30.53 | Shirik | well I meant my raid spec |
| 23:31.01 | Shirik | my second spec is going to be pvp probably |
| 23:31.06 | bleeter | Shirik: it sux (until you fix my wowmatrix) |
| 23:31.25 | Stanzilla | holy or disc? |
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| 23:31.37 | Thrae | That reminds me; I need to figure out how my new Resto spec for post-3.1 dual spec. |
| 23:31.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: not a healing priest, but i'd be happy to look at it and make fun of you. :) |
| 23:31.53 | Shirik | I dropped serendipity which was very odd for me |
| 23:31.53 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: I was making that up. |
| 23:32.04 | Codayus | No serendipity = FAIL |
| 23:32.07 | bleeter | Thrae: soon as you do, please post me a link =)) I need resto for offspec, boomkin for main. too lazy to work it out for myself ;) |
| 23:32.07 | Stanzilla | serendipity is awesome |
| 23:32.10 | Shirik | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bVcbuZfxxccMqih0xuAo |
| 23:32.14 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 23:32.32 | Shirik | priests that are using flash heal or binding heal enough for that to make a difference have problems already |
| 23:32.32 | Thrae | bleeter: Well for PvE it's pretty EZ-Mode, just need a little better gear... |
| 23:32.49 | Shirik | and yes, I'm well aware that's the majority |
| 23:33.04 | Shirik | and I am of the opinion that the majority of priests are inefficient due to recent events |
| 23:33.17 | Shirik | we shall see what 3.1 does to them |
| 23:33.20 | Codayus | Shirik: Times are changing. Serendipity is fairly non-optional if you want to not suck at raid healing IMHO. |
| 23:33.21 | Moleculor | You dropped Serendipity? Interesting. |
| 23:33.29 | bleeter | Thrae: I was 4/5 valor resto, got recruited to be boomkin for ulduar. my boom gear's not ... stealler >< 2/5 valor and some other naxx10/25 junk |
| 23:33.41 | Shirik | Take note that the effect of serendipity has changed |
| 23:33.45 | Moleculor | I know. |
| 23:33.47 | Moleculor | I'm a priest. |
| 23:33.53 | bleeter | Thrae: I landed from the transfer 10mins before raid, respecced didn't regem/ench/glyph and the raid leader balled me out for shit DPS hahaha |
| 23:34.13 | bleeter | so I really need resto and boom specs to steal >< |
| 23:34.30 | bleeter | wheee no realms now |
| 23:34.38 | Duman | all down |
| 23:34.40 | Duman | next update 5pm |
| 23:34.42 | Shirik | Codayus: In all honesty, priests that are using flash heal that much care more about numbers than they do effectiveness |
| 23:34.54 | bleeter | goes back to blocking port 81 |
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| 23:35.11 | Shirik | that's my personal opinion, of course |
| 23:35.21 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 23:35.26 | Shirik | bleeter: I see 1 realm |
| 23:35.32 | Shirik | offline, but it exists |
| 23:35.33 | NightHawkTheSane | If no one's dying, they're not going oom, it doesn't really matter. |
| 23:35.45 | NightHawkTheSane | s/, / and / |
| 23:35.51 | Codayus | Shirik: In a lot of ulduar fights, you can divide raid healing priests into the ones with hasted PoH, who are doing fine, and all the others, who suck. A lot. |
| 23:35.53 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Truth, but unfortunately that has to persist through to the hardest content you are going after |
| 23:36.12 | Shirik | ah I didn't think of the PoH change actually |
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| 23:36.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: true, its just so hard to gauge healer effectiveness |
| 23:36.29 | Moleculor | So have the servers caught fire yet? |
| 23:36.37 | Shirik | shit |
| 23:36.40 | Shirik | I'm going to have to find a new keybind |
| 23:36.44 | Shirik | for prayer of healing |
| 23:36.48 | Aznamir | looks like realms are finally coming up |
| 23:36.50 | Lunessa | Oohh.. nevcairiel New Mapster. <3 |
| 23:36.55 | Shirik | Ok, name something I haven't chosen: |
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| 23:37.03 | Aznamir | Terokkar: Online, 566 queue already |
| 23:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ctrl-alt-shift-f6 |
| 23:37.27 | Stanzilla | holy reach is cool |
| 23:37.29 | Shirik | left click, right click, shift+left, shift+right, middle. shift+middle, alt+middle, ctrl+middle, ctrl+left, alt+left, ctrl+right |
| 23:37.34 | Shirik | ctrl+alt+shift+middle |
| 23:37.37 | Stanzilla | Test of Faith is crap |
| 23:37.39 | Shirik | I think that's all my binds |
| 23:37.58 | Shirik | Stanzilla, that is something I want to test personally with the coh changes |
| 23:38.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: shift+alt+click, ctrl+alt+click, shift+ctrl+click |
| 23:38.18 | Moleculor | CoH is almost going to be too powerful now. Almost. |
| 23:38.26 | Moleculor | Wasted healing/mana. |
| 23:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | (where click is either left/middle/right) |
| 23:38.33 | Shirik | I'd prefer to keep it to 1 modifier NightHawkTheSane :( |
| 23:38.41 | Shirik | because it will be fairly common |
| 23:38.47 | Codayus | contr-alt-left and ctrl-alt-right are pretty easy to hit. Also, I seem to have about a minutes lag to my shell acount running irssi... |
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| 23:39.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: well i dont see alt-right in that list |
| 23:39.55 | Moleculor | PoH is something you hit rarely enough and is big enough of a heal I'd think it deserves two modifier keys. |
| 23:40.15 | Shirik | Unfortunately I don't remember all of my keybinds |
| 23:40.22 | Shirik | I tend not to remember them until after I need them |
| 23:40.27 | Shirik | like hwen rebinding clique |
| 23:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't remember most of my keybinds |
| 23:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Muscle memory ftw |
| 23:40.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:40.36 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd probably make CoH/PoH have similar keybinds, with one being a one-mod version and the other a two-mod version |
| 23:40.37 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats me |
| 23:40.43 | Shirik | coh is ctrl+middle |
| 23:40.44 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out. I'm heading to dinner then home. |
| 23:40.47 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. |
| 23:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | cya |
| 23:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | so, i might do ctrl-alt-middle, or ctrl-shift-middle for PoH, but that's entirely me. |
| 23:41.07 | Shirik | and unfortunately all the middle modifiers are used, unless I do something like ctrl+alt+middle |
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| 23:41.21 | Shirik | but I get really nervous of ctrl+alt+middle being too close to GS |
| 23:41.23 | ScytheBlade1 | c+a+m works well |
| 23:41.33 | Shirik | if I accidentally hit shift in there that's a wasted GS |
| 23:41.38 | Shirik | which reminds me, did that GS glyph go through? |
| 23:41.41 | NightHawkTheSane | so don't? :P |
| 23:42.13 | Hirsute | Hey: Good on you for blocking WoWMatrix, Kaelten, Cairenn, et al. |
| 23:42.17 | kd3 | wahahaha, fark: "Man shocked, SHOCKED when aluminum ladder hits power line [Dumbass]" |
| 23:42.41 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: nice |
| 23:42.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: fun fact: curse's bandwidth dropped 30% the moment they did it (pre 3.1 being released) |
| 23:43.07 | Shirik | fun fact #2: WoWI's bandwidth dropped 50% |
| 23:43.16 | Kaelten | :D |
| 23:43.19 | haste | :o |
| 23:43.27 | Shirik | bandwidth usage, of course |
| 23:43.36 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: I believe it. Matrix caused massive problems on Auctioneer's servers. I don't think we blocked them entirely, but are channelling their traffic in a more sustainable way now. |
| 23:43.37 | Moleculor | Does WoWMatrix recieve some sort of fun little warning message about "You're a loser and are getting blocked for using this shit program" or does it just silently fail. (I'm betting the second, but hoping for the first.) |
| 23:43.38 | Codayus | Heh, awesome. |
| 23:43.51 | Shirik | Moleculor: It reports the addon as "offline" |
| 23:43.56 | Moleculor | Nice. |
| 23:44.15 | Moleculor | I know this stupid little girl who thinks it's Blizzard who blocked the addons, but eh, she's always been stupid. |
| 23:44.23 | Maldivia | poor Terokkar realm |
| 23:44.29 | bleeter | lol |
| 23:45.25 | Hirsute | Heh. I'm on a network that blocks IRC, so I VPNd to my school's networks. Now Vista is telling me I have "Limited Connectivity"... |
| 23:45.27 | Hirsute | Fail |
| 23:46.09 | Shirik | servers coming up for real now? |
| 23:46.10 | Shirik | Looks like it |
| 23:46.22 | Shirik | Maybe I spoke too soon |
| 23:46.25 | Shirik | I should just shut up |
| 23:46.41 | Moleculor | Shirik, what do you use for raid frames, and is it updated? |
| 23:46.56 | Shirik | Grid, and no |
| 23:47.00 | Shirik | we'll see how it goes |
| 23:47.09 | Moleculor | Bleh. X-Perl's not either. |
| 23:47.18 | Shirik | I'm not sure updates are necessary |
| 23:47.22 | Moleculor | I know it was slightly wonky in the PTR. |
| 23:47.28 | Moleculor | We'll see. |
| 23:47.56 | Shirik | ok after thinking about the poh thing |
| 23:48.02 | Shirik | I removed 2 points from healing prayers and put them in serendipity |
| 23:48.07 | Shirik | it's about all I can find to spare, though |
| 23:48.26 | Stanzilla | Test of Faith.. |
| 23:48.31 | Moleculor | Test of Faith. |
| 23:48.39 | Shirik | I'm still not convinced of the lack of utility of test of faith |
| 23:48.48 | Moleculor | Over healing prayers? |
| 23:48.49 | Shirik | again, I haven't seen my numbers, though |
| 23:49.00 | Shirik | healing prayers is only useful if I'm running out of mana. That's something I'd have to test. |
| 23:49.05 | Stanzilla | your ass-saving heal is a GH heal bomb with 3 seren stacks, not test of faith |
| 23:49.24 | Shirik | and I don't intend for test of faith to be an "ass-saving heal" modifier |
| 23:49.40 | Shirik | I intend for it to attribute assistance to raid healing in bad situations |
| 23:49.45 | Moleculor | ... Tanaris isn't even online. Woo. |
| 23:50.21 | Stanzilla | but raid healing is hasted poh and coh :( |
| 23:50.30 | Shirik | and it's increased by test of faith! |
| 23:50.54 | Shirik | lol @ all servers locked |
| 23:50.56 | Stanzilla | remember that you are not the only one healing |
| 23:51.03 | Shirik | Stanzilla: You don't know my raid team then |
| 23:51.08 | Moleculor | Hah. |
| 23:51.12 | Shirik | ok that was mostly a joke, but still |
| 23:51.23 | Moleculor | Mana is the big issue though, in 3.1. I'd err on the side of mana until you know you have enoug. |
| 23:51.24 | Moleculor | h |
| 23:52.34 | Shirik | Poor servers :( http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3731/poorservers.png |
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| 23:54.03 | bleeter | Shirik: for maximum lol, click 'oceanic'... actually... I feel worse for the LA folks |
| 23:54.10 | Shirik | lol "Wowmatrix is the Ebaum's World of Wow Add-ons." |
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| 23:55.44 | tem | I'm on Garona |
| 23:55.47 | tem | or rather |
| 23:55.54 | tem | in the queue to get into Garona |
| 23:56.07 | tem | it was 2500 deep when I started waiting |
| 23:56.15 | tem | oh shit |
| 23:56.20 | tem | Retrieving Character List |
| 23:56.28 | Shirik | Disconnected from server |
| 23:56.33 | Shirik | lol@u lololololol |
| 23:56.39 | bleeter | lololol |
| 23:56.42 | bleeter | @ |
| 23:56.46 | bleeter | lolololololol |
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| 23:58.05 | Vonhinten | garona's my server |
| 23:58.08 | Shirik | gl getting on it |
| 23:58.13 | Shirik | you only have a 2 hour wait or so |
| 23:58.16 | Kirov | I think this is due again - http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wowserverupgrade.jpg |
| 23:58.22 | Vonhinten | it's only cause there's only a few servers up |
| 23:58.27 | Vonhinten | it'll clear out |
| 23:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ that person suggesting that Kaelten move curse downloads to sourceforge |
| 23:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That is an -amazing- post |
| 23:59.27 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - It's become a user (claiming to be a customer) vs. author world! |
| 23:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | that is just awe inspiring |
