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| 00:05.06 | airtonix | "NO NO NO! Thats not the way we want you to play the game! NO NO NO!" |
| 00:07.59 | theorb | Do people around here read Twenty Sided. |
| 00:08.36 | theorb | It sounds very much like what's being talked about now is much like a point he was making in the Saint's Row vs GTA posts. |
| 00:08.58 | theorb | GTA very much has a way you are supposed to do each mission. |
| 00:09.31 | theorb | They will force you into it, including with things like making the bad guy invincible until you are "supposed" to kill him. |
| 00:09.36 | theorb | WoW doesn't do that. |
| 00:09.56 | theorb | Instead, if you don't do it the way you are supposed to, they accuse you of cheating afterwards. |
| 00:09.57 | Adys | mmo-champion down for anyone in the US? |
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| 00:14.09 | mikma | riiiiight |
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| 00:14.16 | mikma | good thing i'm leveling a gnome warlock! |
| 00:18.40 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZnAm3KwW58 <- hq |
| 00:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> is beacon of light raid wide? |
| 00:26.23 | Adys | its worldwide |
| 00:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it is a targeted spell |
| 00:27.12 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i meant the "Light's Beacon" aura it gives to others |
| 00:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | The target becomes a Beacon of Light to all targets within a 40 yard radius. Any heals you cast on those targets will also heal the Beacon for 100% of the amount healed. Only one target can be the Beacon of Light at a time. Lasts 1 min. |
| 00:27.38 | mikma | mmmmm. bacon of light |
| 00:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 00:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. for some reason i thought it was just group-only |
| 00:27.55 | tekkub | someone say bacon? |
| 00:28.16 | theorbtwo | Sounds very useful. |
| 00:28.20 | Syzgyn | Apparently Malygos can drop a mount? |
| 00:28.22 | Syzgyn | News to me |
| 00:28.26 | NightHawkTheSane | two, actually |
| 00:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It is very useful |
| 00:28.31 | NightHawkTheSane | one in normal, one in heroic |
| 00:28.32 | Syzgyn | Had no idea |
| 00:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | and w t f @ malygos dropping a mount |
| 00:28.35 | Syzgyn | and there it is |
| 00:28.39 | Syzgyn | and I'm on my fucking alt |
| 00:28.46 | NightHawkTheSane | 1% drop, iirc? |
| 00:28.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: i got the green proto drake on my druid alt. :( |
| 00:30.02 | Syzgyn | Ow |
| 00:41.51 | Zootfizzle | Ooh |
| 00:41.53 | Zootfizzle | Bacon of Light |
| 00:41.56 | Zootfizzle | That sounds delicious |
| 00:42.12 | Zootfizzle | gets on the phone to Naaru HQ |
| 00:42.18 | mikma | imho, gnome priest talent |
| 00:42.40 | mikma | you have bacon on highlight? that's neat... |
| 00:42.58 | Zootfizzle | ...you don't? |
| 00:43.05 | Zootfizzle | examines mikma for neurological defects |
| 00:43.22 | Zootfizzle | :) |
| 00:43.48 | mikma | well, not yet. i should tho |
| 00:43.55 | kd3 | hasn't gc been pushing for bacon of light since alpha? |
| 00:43.59 | mikma | but talking about bacon always brings tekkub out |
| 00:44.05 | kd3 | I /still/ misspell it like that instead of using beacon |
| 00:44.09 | tekkub | you slow |
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| 00:50.55 | mikma | don't bring the class, bring the bacon. |
| 00:55.22 | Adys | bacon bacon bacon |
| 00:56.34 | AbsolutRayne | http://forum.deviantart.com/community/complaints/1278581/ Winner on the day |
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| 01:07.13 | Etanol | somebody should write a book |
| 01:07.31 | NightHawkTheSane | shockingly, someone has. |
| 01:07.39 | NightHawkTheSane | many, MANY people, in fact, have written boks |
| 01:07.41 | NightHawkTheSane | books* |
| 01:07.49 | Etanol | about how the hell women works |
| 01:07.54 | NightHawkTheSane | have you, by chance, visited a library lately? :P |
| 01:07.55 | Etanol | and how to interpret them |
| 01:07.59 | Etanol | drives me crazy |
| 01:09.26 | Etanol | more on the subject wowuidev now :P |
| 01:09.47 | Etanol | My script only adds a button to a calendar frame and hooks an event to the same frame, yet it seems to bug out the frame for other people |
| 01:10.01 | Etanol | makes the attendee list empty and so on |
| 01:10.06 | Etanol | any ideas? |
| 01:12.31 | Etanol | no? :/ |
| 01:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Paste code. We're only half way there to being entirely psychic. |
| 01:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/ |
| 01:13.41 | foxlit | It's because you DIDN'T USE ENOUGH SEMICOLONS. |
| 01:13.51 | Etanol | semicolons in lua? |
| 01:14.15 | foxlit | (hm, I should trademark USING CAPS AS BS INDICATOR) |
| 01:15.13 | foxlit | Forget about semicolons (you don't have to use them in almost all cases); do pastey the code for ScytheBlade1 to look at. |
| 01:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | for me to look at? |
| 01:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh no |
| 01:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | semicolons aren't the devil! |
| 01:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It's on you now buddy |
| 01:16.32 | Etanol | http://pastey.net/111971 |
| 01:16.53 | Etanol | acehook, aceaddon |
| 01:16.59 | foxlit | -> #wowace |
| 01:17.03 | foxlit | I can has no ace. |
| 01:17.20 | Etanol | gaaah |
| 01:17.26 | Etanol | the ace isnt what's bugging |
| 01:17.30 | Etanol | take a look at the code first |
| 01:17.35 | foxlit | Yeah, but then you have |
| 01:17.35 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.49 | Etanol | hm |
| 01:17.51 | foxlit | which is just lunacy unless there's some nefarious code behind the scenes. |
| 01:18.00 | Etanol | you lost me :P |
| 01:18.15 | foxlit | The line does not make sense without Ace libraries. |
| 01:18.28 | Etanol | :/ |
| 01:18.56 | foxlit | As such, I can't tell you if there's an implementation problem there. It's probably not an issue, but it just demonstrates why I'd prefer to have someone more Ace-ified look at it :) |
| 01:20.56 | Etanol | is ace really better than manual coding in any way? :/ |
| 01:21.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Obviously a grand many people think so, which is why they are pretty common |
| 01:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* it depends |
| 01:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And which is why, you know, the project keeps on turning out good stuff |
| 01:21.58 | Etanol | well, gnight |
| 01:22.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ....... lol |
| 01:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ... k? |
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| 01:27.13 | Ackis | Shirik: I got that thingy you told me to get... it was a key logger... it logged my keys |
| 01:27.21 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 01:27.27 | Ackis | ultimate booooooooot cd |
| 01:27.50 | NightHawkTheSane | logs Ackis' keys |
| 01:27.53 | Ackis | well, technically it's a "boot usb stick" but the concept is the same |
| 01:28.01 | Ackis | it didn't work though, nothing would run |
| 01:28.03 | Ackis | I blame gnomes |
| 01:28.13 | Ackis | on a side note, am I the only one who does the train emote while farting? |
| 01:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:28.41 | Ackis | try it |
| 01:28.43 | Ackis | it adds fun |
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| 01:41.18 | tsukukinsei | does anyone know the command to see if the raid has a specific buff Unitbuff("raid", "Well Fed")? |
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| 01:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | !api UnitBuff |
| 01:41.38 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitBuff' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitBuff |
| 01:42.02 | ScytheBlade1 | simple looking enough |
| 01:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Loop over raid1 through 40 and check what it returns. |
| 01:42.44 | tsukukinsei | how would i write that im pretty new to addons :( |
| 01:49.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lua |
| 01:49.21 | purl | somebody said lua was a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 01:51.16 | tsukukinsei | i mean the structure of it lol like would it be jus alot of if statements? |
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| 02:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://live.lmgtfy.com/ |
| 02:05.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate you ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate me too |
| 02:06.19 | Tem | "good ways to farm gold" lol |
| 02:07.04 | AnduinLothar | So i'd just like point out that pvp rating has got to be effected by your gear level in bags and bank, and not just average, but also quantity... |
| 02:07.11 | AnduinLothar | and it's REALLLY annoying |
| 02:08.20 | foxlit | your green healing quest rewards get matched against 25-man epics because you've got 25-man epics in the bank? :) |
| 02:08.58 | AnduinLothar | no. I get 4 points for winning and lose 25 |
| 02:09.29 | AnduinLothar | where as guy with only 1 set of gear gains points at a much faster rate |
| 02:09.59 | foxlit | So your annoyance is that your predicted rating is too far off from your actual skill? |
| 02:10.26 | foxlit | (when you say pvp rating, I take that to mean BG matching rather than arenas -- but hey, close enough) |
| 02:10.44 | AnduinLothar | im annoyed that i gain less poitns because i've been playing the game longer and have 3 viable specs |
| 02:11.53 | AnduinLothar | so fresh 80 ret pally with 1 set of blues can earn rating faster than i can |
| 02:12.00 | AnduinLothar | gg |
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| 02:18.16 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* undying failure, yet again.' |
| 02:19.16 | Tem | wtf awesome |
| 02:19.17 | Tem | "my names dylan, i like to be split in half by big black guys named BEN YUHHH <3 MICHELLEYYYY PO0o0 LOVES YOU" |
| 02:19.25 | Tem | live.lmgtfy.com |
| 02:20.35 | AnduinLothar | anyone know the Hardware Sound CVar? |
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| 02:42.06 | Wobin | hm, anyone know of a good hunter gear list to aim for? |
| 02:43.46 | Dagmar | BRK's site |
| 02:44.14 | mikma | wobin: lootrank.com ? wowloot.com (or wow-loot.com) |
| 02:44.40 | mikma | wobin: install tekkub's engravings! |
| 02:44.49 | tekkub | duh |
| 02:45.08 | mikma | nuh uh! |
| 02:47.13 | ronghail | http://elitistjerks.com/f74/t42519-best_possible_dps_shandaras_wotlk_spreadsheet/ |
| 03:01.06 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 03:01.14 | Cairenn | oofs and falls over |
| 03:02.03 | tekkub | does things to Shirik |
| 03:03.10 | Shirik | you just want to get at Cairenn too ;) |
| 03:03.17 | kd3 | whee, I found a copy of 'ãã¼ããããããã¿' |
| 03:03.19 | Zootfizzle | Back off~! |
| 03:03.42 | Zootfizzle | deploys a sprocket-based interdiction system to prevent access to Cairenn :) |
| 03:03.47 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:08.40 | kd3 | hm... build 9767 |
| 03:08.44 | Shirik | BAH! |
| 03:08.46 | kd3 | I wonder what's going to happen post 9000? |
| 03:08.49 | Shirik | I found my stupid bug that was breaking loot today |
| 03:08.49 | kd3 | er, 9999* |
| 03:09.00 | Shirik | Fortunately I put in checks to ensure loot is never assigned to the wrong person |
| 03:09.37 | Shirik | I have a list of loot that needs to be assigned. Whenever the loot is accepted, it's removed from the list and moves on to the next item. Unfortunately, I was removing from the end of the list instead of the beginning.... |
| 03:10.06 | Shirik | stabs undeclared variables |
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| 03:10.44 | Zootfizzle | Whenever you stab some undeclared variables, an Iriel gets its wings |
| 03:10.55 | Iriel | heh |
| 03:10.57 | Shirik | Iriel already has too many wings |
| 03:11.03 | Shirik | he's gone beyond angelic status |
| 03:11.05 | Shirik | he's a demigod |
| 03:11.29 | Zootfizzle | starts up the chorus |
| 03:11.35 | Wobin | "Aaaaaaah" |
| 03:11.56 | kd3 | woot |
| 03:12.04 | Wobin | "Dies Irae! Dies Ira! Dies Iriel!" |
| 03:12.15 | kd3 | only the /equipset command got pulled, not the rest of the itemrack goodies |
| 03:13.43 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:15.54 | Shadowed | not like it would have mattered anyway |
| 03:16.02 | Shadowed | cause we could have just stolen the Lua we already knew |
| 03:16.09 | Shadowed | You sure they didn't disable the option in interface too thought kd3? |
| 03:16.44 | kd3 | all of the user-facing stuff (keybind, paper doll frame, etc...) got pulled. the guts are still there |
| 03:17.08 | kd3 | the slash command was the first revert I noticed |
| 03:17.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is probably why diffs exist! |
| 03:17.15 | kd3 | gasps |
| 03:17.18 | Shadowed | goody |
| 03:17.25 | Shadowed | all we need then! |
| 03:19.41 | Shirik | lolol |
| 03:19.43 | Shirik | rockwell collins spam |
| 03:19.56 | Shirik | I just got like 20 emails from them saying things like |
| 03:19.57 | Shirik | A job opening matching your profile for a Sr Electrical Engineer - Sensor Applications - Weapons HW Development - GPS-WEA0000003N has just been posted in our career section. |
| 03:20.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows HW dev |
| 03:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Off yourself now! |
| 03:20.13 | kd3 | weapons hardware... ooh |
| 03:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 03:20.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... |
| 03:20.24 | Shirik | gj ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, that was... impressive on my part |
| 03:20.35 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:20.54 | theorbtwo | ponders weaponized windows. |
| 03:20.58 | Shirik | Looks like they're all the same project |
| 03:21.02 | Shirik | they must have just gotten a new projectu nder way |
| 03:21.04 | Shirik | A job opening matching your profile for a Sr Electrical Engineer - GPS Chipset Development - Government Systems-GPS00000052 has just been posted in our career section. |
| 03:21.06 | Shirik | they all start with GPS |
| 03:21.08 | theorbtwo | Give them free copies of Vista, watch the government fall. |
| 03:21.49 | Duman | hmm |
| 03:22.02 | Duman | yeah they said the built-in itemrack won't ship w/ 3.1 |
| 03:22.08 | Duman | unless they changed their mind again |
| 03:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | HA |
| 03:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 03:24.52 | kd3 | ? |
| 03:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | "With IE8, we've fixed a few long-standing bugs, and are now able to report the correct line number and file where the error occured." |
| 03:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | BEEN THAT WAY SINCE IE4 |
| 03:25.18 | kd3 | winces |
| 03:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or earlier) |
| 03:25.33 | kd3 | well that's one long-standing bug dead... now how about that 10-year-old mozilla bug? |
| 03:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | link it again? |
| 03:26.15 | kd3 | Adys, poke. got that 10-year-old mozilla bug link handy? |
| 03:26.22 | ScytheBlade1 | nm, got the ID |
| 03:26.23 | Adys | 4622 iirc |
| 03:26.24 | ScytheBlade1 | 4522 |
| 03:26.31 | Adys | oh ya |
| 03:27.12 | Adys | how high are they in ids now? |
| 03:27.17 | Adys | i think they're in the 350-400k |
| 03:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | higher |
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| 03:28.47 | Duman | heh |
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| 03:49.03 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | "she was in my lap and suddenly tried to get onto my desk" - Cogwheel |
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| 03:59.37 | Shirik | purl, wb |
| 03:59.38 | purl | thx |
| 03:59.46 | Shirik | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:59.46 | purl | squeezes ScytheBlade1 till ScytheBlade1 turns blue like papa smurf |
| 03:59.51 | Shirik | er, hm |
| 03:59.53 | Adys | ~whalelart shirik |
| 03:59.54 | Shirik | ~hug ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:59.55 | purl | ACTION hugs ScytheBlade1 tightly until ScytheBlade1 turns slightly blue |
| 03:59.59 | Shirik | yay fixed! |
| 04:00.02 | Shirik | I was hoping that's what it was |
| 04:00.28 | Shirik | (p.s. there is no whalelart foo :P) |
| 04:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~doom Shirik |
| 04:00.46 | purl | ACTION joins with the dodos in mocking scytheblade1: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" || <action> bites off a finger, then sends scytheblade1 hurling down deep into the Cracks of Mount Doom |
| 04:00.51 | Adys | Shirik: NOT FOR LONG MWAHAHAH |
| 04:00.52 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:00.56 | Shirik | lol @ || instead of | |
| 04:00.58 | Adys | ~whalezero Shiibot |
| 04:00.59 | purl | ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at Shiibot's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero. |
| 04:01.04 | Adys | ~whalelaser Shirik |
| 04:01.05 | purl | ACTION calls Jean-Pierre, a planet-sized whale from the future, who starts firing deadly lazerbeams from his head on Shirik, disintegrating every single cell from their body, leaving nothing but dust |
| 04:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | that needs fixing |
| 04:01.16 | Shirik | ~literal cmd: doom (.*?) |
| 04:01.17 | purl | "cmd: doom (.*?)" is "($who): <action> joins with the dodos in mocking $who: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" || <action> bites off a finger, then sends $who hurling down deep into the Cracks of Mount Doom" |
| 04:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, Shirik, I feel dirty - I'm poking with SQL via Java =[ |
| 04:02.11 | batrick | Shirik: e4 |
| 04:02.18 | batrick | (gogo) |
| 04:02.32 | Shirik | purl, no, cmd: doom (.*?) is <action> (joins the dodos in mocking $who: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" | bites off a finger, then sends $who hurling down deep into the cracks of mount doom) |
| 04:02.33 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 04:02.39 | Shirik | ~doom ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:02.40 | purl | ACTION joins with the dodos in mocking shirik: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" || <action> bites off a finger, then sends shirik hurling down deep into the Cracks of Mount Doom |
| 04:02.44 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | gj |
| 04:03.07 | Shirik | purl, no, cmd: doom $n is <action> (joins the dodos in mocking $n: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" | bites off a finger, then sends $n hurling down deep into the cracks of mount doom) |
| 04:03.07 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 04:03.09 | Shirik | er.. |
| 04:03.13 | Shirik | purl, no, doom $n is <action> (joins the dodos in mocking $n: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" | bites off a finger, then sends $n hurling down deep into the cracks of mount doom) |
| 04:03.14 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 04:03.18 | Shirik | ~doom ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:03.19 | purl | ACTION joins the dodos in mocking ScytheBlade1: "Doom on you! Doom on you!" |
| 04:03.22 | Shirik | I win |
| 04:03.38 | batrick | pokes Shirik. |
| 04:03.42 | Shirik | resigns |
| 04:03.51 | batrick | You never play anymore :( |
| 04:04.03 | batrick | cries in a corner. |
| 04:04.28 | Shirik | comforts batrick |
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| 04:11.39 | End | hm |
| 04:11.46 | End | I'm getting a lot of lag o_O |
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| 04:19.24 | sacarasc | That is because I'm DoSing you. |
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| 04:22.11 | cogwheel | so long |
| 04:25.05 | Ackis | is there a mod that turns on auto loot for milling/DEing? |
| 04:29.55 | batrick | Why would you not want auto loot on for everything? |
| 04:30.30 | Ackis | autoloot is bad |
| 04:30.36 | batrick | y? |
| 04:31.01 | Ackis | it loots stuff automatically for you |
| 04:31.10 | batrick | ... |
| 04:31.24 | Ackis | that's why it's bad |
| 04:31.33 | batrick | Ok, put differently, what is there to loot that you would not want to loot automatically? |
| 04:31.38 | Ackis | crap |
| 04:31.45 | Ackis | quest items I'm in a ffa group |
| 04:31.53 | Cairenn | ZorbaTHut: ping? |
| 04:45.38 | Shirik | Iriel: ping |
| 04:46.15 | Iriel | ? |
| 04:47.02 | Shirik | I have a question for you. Have you any familiarity with applets? Have you ever worked with the JSObject class? (In particular, where the heck did the netscape.javascript class go?) |
| 04:47.06 | Shirik | from https://jdk6.dev.java.net/plugin2/liveconnect/#JSOBJECT |
| 04:47.29 | tekkub | lolnetscape |
| 04:47.31 | Iriel | Shirik: Not in a very long time |
| 04:47.43 | Shirik | tekkub: It's standard, despite its "netscape" name |
| 04:47.50 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 04:48.25 | Shirik | maybe I'll just re-download the JDK |
| 04:48.29 | Shirik | I don't know where it disappeared to |
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| 04:50.19 | Iriel | Shirik: Do you have plugin.jar on your classpath? |
| 04:50.26 | Shirik | I don't have plugin.jar at all |
| 04:50.28 | Shirik | that's kinda the problem |
| 04:50.36 | Iriel | Which JRE? |
| 04:50.46 | Shirik | 1.6.0_11 |
| 04:51.07 | Iriel | It's in /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.6.0/Home/lib/plugin.jar |
| 04:51.08 | Iriel | for me |
| 04:51.24 | Shirik | aha! |
| 04:51.28 | Shirik | I just found out what happened to it |
| 04:51.46 | Shirik | Until the most recent release of JRE 13, applet plugin support did not exist for 64 bit systems |
| 04:52.06 | Shirik | JRE 6.0_13 that is |
| 04:52.36 | Shirik | "This release includes several key security updates, the highly anticipated 64-bit Java Plug-In" |
| 04:52.39 | Shirik | ... |
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| 05:06.27 | Kaelten | hrm if I make a closure that does function() self.db.profile.setting end and self.db changes to point at a new db where does the closure point.... |
| 05:07.40 | Arrowmaster | well i doubt self has changed so it should point to the new one |
| 05:08.06 | Kaelten | hrm, yeah i'd think so too |
| 05:08.13 | Kaelten | I'm dong something funky |
| 05:08.22 | Kaelten | and I'm trying to figure out what's cleaner |
| 05:08.44 | Kaelten | configuring the code each time it's used by swapping out a few member variables or copying to code in memory |
| 05:13.21 | Aezay | Am I correct in assuming locals in the "root" part of a lua file are never garbage collected, whereas if I made them inside a do-end block, they would? |
| 05:13.42 | batrick | depends if everything in the file is collected (functions, etc.) |
| 05:13.51 | batrick | everything in the file using the locals* |
| 05:14.04 | Iriel | Locals are collected when the block they are contained within exits |
| 05:14.15 | Iriel | UPVALUES are collected when everything that references them becomes unreachable |
| 05:15.03 | Aezay | ok, so a local at the very top of a lua file, outside any blocks, is collected if not referenced in the file? |
| 05:15.48 | Iriel | Yes, as soon as the file is done loading and executing |
| 05:16.43 | Aezay | got it, thanks, guess it was stupid putting some stuff inside do-ends then |
| 05:17.14 | Iriel | Well, sometimes it's nice to be sure you've closed everything out |
| 05:25.08 | Adys | I need the help of someone smart |
| 05:26.12 | Adys | preferably not too smart as I'd feel belittled but still bright enough to tell me if they ever saw a spell, creating an item, that was NOT a tradeskill, but which was showing the item created in the tooltip. |
| 05:27.15 | Shirik | Adys sometimes you ask the strangest questions |
| 05:27.37 | Adys | I'll ask your stangest sister out for dinner tomorrow |
| 05:29.21 | Tem | http://tinyurl.com/c2alws |
| 05:29.31 | Tem | oops |
| 05:30.25 | Adys | first result |
| 05:30.26 | Adys | 1. How do blind people know when they are done wiping |
| 05:30.44 | Adys | my answer would be "blind people dont play wow" |
| 05:30.50 | Adys | but i dont think its what they're talking about. |
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| 05:31.49 | wentam543 | deos metahud ever get in the way of your view |
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| 05:36.23 | Lukian | I use icehud, I assume it's similar and no.. I like it in the middle of my screen - plus the entire thing is clicktrhough, so the mouse never gets stuck on it |
| 05:36.35 | wentam543 | ok ty |
| 05:36.45 | Shirik | I hate apple |
| 05:36.46 | Shirik | so much |
| 05:36.50 | Shirik | like beyond belief |
| 05:37.17 | Shirik | I can respect them doing things "their way" but when you break industry standards in the process, it just makes me want to stab people |
| 05:37.27 | batrick | agrees. |
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| 05:39.52 | End | haha |
| 05:40.10 | Shirik | omfg |
| 05:40.12 | End | potatoe day is the "politically correct" version of St. Patrick's Day, apparently |
| 05:40.14 | Shirik | It's stupider than I thought |
| 05:40.26 | End | s/toe/to/ |
| 05:40.26 | Shirik | I thought the problem was Apple's Java didn't have netscape.javascript package |
| 05:40.31 | Shirik | no, the error was java.langNoSuchMethodError: java.lang.String.isEmpty()Z |
| 05:40.36 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:41.36 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/94164271 |
| 05:47.28 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/566/ hahahah |
| 05:47.32 | Adys | oh man |
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| 05:53.07 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:53.14 | Adys | I dont remember who was arguing on that with me the other day |
| 05:53.18 | Adys | http://technobabblepro.blogspot.com/2009/04/captcha-gotcha.html |
| 05:53.29 | Adys | but if hes still not figured out what I meant this is basically it |
| 06:08.40 | Codayus | Adys: Neat article. |
| 06:15.43 | Codayus | The weak bit is, I don't think he's adaquately supported the assertion that the value of access to a site for a non-legit user is greater than for a legit user, which would break the inequality underlying the economic gotcha. |
| 06:16.28 | Adys | its a viscious circle |
| 06:16.49 | Adys | you get spam => you put captchas |
| 06:16.57 | Adys | spam doesnt get through => they break captchas |
| 06:17.06 | Adys | they break captchas => you get spam again |
| 06:17.23 | Adys | you look for more efficient captchas => they break it |
| 06:17.24 | Adys | etc |
| 06:17.44 | Adys | cat&mouse, which would be fine except captchas are annoying as fuck |
| 06:17.53 | Adys | Bibi: relink the captchas you linked me the other day. |
| 06:20.27 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | Happy Birthday Dolby!!! |
| 06:20.35 | Adys | HAPPY BDAY DOLBY <3<3 |
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| 06:20.41 | Adys | (who's Dolby?) |
| 06:20.46 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 06:20.46 | End | happy birthday Dolby |
| 06:21.00 | Dolby | hides |
| 06:21.01 | End | dolby is the man behind the curtain |
| 06:21.14 | Adys | I was being sarcastic you insen.. nm |
| 06:22.27 | Shirik | tackles Dolby |
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| 06:22.46 | Shirik | End you better not say that |
| 06:22.50 | Shirik | Dolby might not like it |
| 06:22.56 | Adys | any python coder around? |
| 06:23.09 | End | too late! |
| 06:23.11 | Shirik | Adys:Better question, would any python coder admit they were around? |
| 06:23.13 | End | it can't be unsaid! |
| 06:23.20 | Adys | Shirik: IM HERE! |
| 06:23.35 | End | if you're around, why did you have to ask the question? |
| 06:23.51 | End | >:) |
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| 06:35.11 | Mysticell | hmm, what's SMemMalloc? |
| 06:35.29 | End | probably the memory allocator ;-) |
| 06:36.05 | Mysticell | trying to figure out what exactly heapAllocTracking does, help says it Enables/disables allocation tracking & dumping in SMemMalloc |
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| 06:42.26 | Shirik | what are you talking about Mysticell |
| 06:43.47 | Adys | Shirik: hes talking about SMemMalloc |
| 06:43.53 | Shirik | yes thank you |
| 06:43.57 | Adys | why, no problem |
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| 06:46.05 | Shirik | Does anyone know that somewhat old song that has the cool guitar solo at the beginning... very harmonic, not like a melody |
| 06:46.12 | Shirik | ... that's so bad |
| 06:47.10 | Shirik | I think I found it |
| 06:47.16 | Shirik | ACDC Thunder Struck |
| 06:47.28 | Shirik | yes that's it |
| 06:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that kind of describes half the rock songs from the 70s and 80s |
| 06:47.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:49.02 | Wobin | half? =P |
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| 06:50.18 | Adys | the other half got the solo like, not right at the beginning |
| 06:50.22 | Adys | but like |
| 06:50.29 | Adys | 30 secs later or something like that |
| 06:50.34 | Adys | see what i mean. |
| 06:51.02 | Shirik | but like |
| 06:51.04 | Shirik | this is a harmony |
| 06:51.07 | Shirik | not a melody! |
| 06:51.14 | Adys | ok |
| 06:51.16 | Adys | maybe 3 quarters then |
| 06:54.30 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 06:57.00 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MM0CK6PAwo |
| 06:57.06 | Shirik | ^ that guy is pro |
| 06:57.43 | Shirik | Like I can do things that fast on my 'cello, but doing it over and over again you start to lose yourself in it |
| 06:57.47 | Wobin | that's not actually a 'harmony' |
| 06:57.52 | Shirik | it's not a melody |
| 06:57.54 | Shirik | and it's not a chord |
| 06:57.58 | Shirik | so what would you call it |
| 06:58.13 | Wobin | it's a melody in that it's a single line |
| 06:58.22 | Wobin | a harmony implies more than one line played at the same time |
| 06:58.41 | Wobin | Or a rhythmic theme |
| 06:59.48 | Wobin | ahh, accadacca |
| 07:00.10 | Shirik | .. huh? |
| 07:00.49 | Wobin | ACDC |
| 07:01.21 | Wobin | You have to imagine the slotting in of aussie slang there |
| 07:01.46 | Shirik | I'm in a WG raid right now |
| 07:01.59 | Shirik | no exaggeration, over 50% of the members are DKs |
| 07:02.06 | Wobin | deathgrip city |
| 07:02.13 | End | Shirik: wow |
| 07:03.03 | Wobin | Shirik: or really, just call it a guitar riff =) |
| 07:03.50 | Wobin | but then again, asking "Remember that somewhat old song with the cool guitar riff solo at the beginning..." probably wouldn't have helped much either =) |
| 07:07.53 | Wobin | bah |
| 07:08.00 | Wobin | now I'm watching all the acdc videos =\ |
| 07:08.34 | Wobin | is TNT |
| 07:08.43 | Wobin | is Dynamite |
| 07:10.09 | Adys | str.translate |
| 07:10.15 | Adys | str.translate needs to be more documented |
| 07:10.27 | Adys | its an AWESOME feature and theres only one tiny little mention in the docs |
| 07:10.55 | Adys | and I dont think ive EVER seen it mentioned apart from that |
| 07:11.03 | Wobin | in python? |
| 07:11.09 | Adys | yes |
| 07:12.13 | Adys | I just had one of those "before / after" moments |
| 07:12.14 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d33c241be |
| 07:14.02 | Wobin | what's with the 256 char string requirement? |
| 07:14.13 | Adys | maketrans takes care of that |
| 07:14.19 | Wobin | ah |
| 07:14.21 | Wobin | pads it, eh? |
| 07:14.24 | Adys | its a 128->128 translation table |
| 07:14.25 | Adys | ya |
| 07:14.29 | Wobin | noice |
| 07:21.01 | Duman | hmm |
| 07:22.22 | Tem | sigh |
| 07:22.32 | Tem | adding multiprogramming is a severe pain in the ass |
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| 07:40.30 | Tim8 | Hi there, Im wondering if anyone knows of an addon that keeps a record of all items created & crafted while in party group with others. Specifically im interested in an addon that will keep a complete and accurate record of all items made by jc and all those items being d/e'd. Im doing this in mass quantity and its is next to impossible to keep track of what each and every item d/es into |
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| 07:41.36 | Duman | I'm not sure the same addons would do both |
| 07:41.46 | Tem | Enchantrix keeps a record of what items DE into |
| 07:41.53 | Duman | I know Enchantrix used to track item -> DE stuff... I assume it still does |
| 07:41.59 | Duman | slower typer than Tem |
| 07:42.11 | Tem | (for actual disenchanting, prospecting and also milling) |
| 07:43.09 | Duman | oh, and it would only track things *you* DE |
| 07:43.26 | Duman | I'm not sure I'm parsing your question correctly, but it almost sounds like you want to track what OTHER people are doing |
| 07:43.35 | Tim8 | Ive done extensive searching for anything like this via google and could find nothing about this and im not a programmer myself but from what I do know I would think it would be very simple to write a addon that can do this as there are allready many examples of addons that keep tabs on numbers and stats of things while in party mode and yes im doing this with 1-2 other people one person does the jc and I d/e and sometimes have one other person |
| 07:43.50 | Adys | holy crap |
| 07:43.53 | Adys | punctuation man =P |
| 07:44.01 | Duman | and I think you got cut off |
| 07:44.18 | Adys | yeah that too |
| 07:44.37 | Duman | for creating items, you can track that easily... DE that *other* people do, you can't... since you don't know what item they are DE'ing |
| 07:44.41 | Duman | (unless they tell you) |
| 07:45.03 | Adys | i think he meant the mats being produced from DE |
| 07:45.13 | Tim8 | so yes id like to find a program that accounts for all the items jc and then d/e by all members in party and yes when youre in party it shows you what their items d/e into |
| 07:45.15 | Duman | you'd know that, just not what the source was :) |
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| 07:45.48 | Tim8 | its just hard to keep track of it all when youre doing it in such mass quantities |
| 07:46.50 | Tim8 | you guys know how when youre in party chat it will tell you what that peson d/e's an item into in the text box right? |
| 07:47.11 | Tim8 | as it also tells you what item thwy make doing their j/c as well |
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| 07:47.39 | Tim8 | but when its one after the other after the other etc etc its too difficult to add it all up in your head and keep track of it |
| 07:48.09 | tekkub | if you don't trust this person you shouldn't be doing business with them |
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| 07:49.10 | Tim8 | I do trust them on many levels but you can never be entirely sure I believe thats my opnion and something of that nature would help to keep an honest person honest to begin with |
| 07:49.31 | Wobin | Well afaik, you'll see what's the result of the DE |
| 07:49.31 | Tim8 | im just wondering if anyone knows of a addon of this nature or where I could find one ive looked all over |
| 07:49.34 | Wobin | but not what was DE'd |
| 07:49.41 | Xinhuan | if you go by the "loot party messages", it isn't obvious to an addon which gems/DEed mats belong to the same prospect/DE |
| 07:49.52 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 07:49.54 | Xinhuan | at best you can guess by timestamp |
| 07:50.04 | Wobin | and even then they could be de'ing the old item |
| 07:50.11 | Wobin | or a completely random item |
| 07:50.23 | tekkub | "honest person honest" my ass. you don't trust them or you won't be asking for this |
| 07:50.36 | Wobin | yeah |
| 07:50.37 | Duman | heh |
| 07:50.41 | Duman | they are either honest, or they are not ;) |
| 07:50.45 | Wobin | if they're honest... they will be honest |
| 07:50.50 | Wobin | else... they're... not =P |
| 07:51.23 | tekkub | aye, if they're honest you don't have to "make" them keep being honest |
| 07:51.23 | Duman | bottom line: there is no way to know what item they were DE'ing that produced the resulting materials you see in the log |
| 07:51.26 | Tim8 | honesty inst in question here im asking if anyone knows of an addon for this as im sure many other people would find it helpfull as well thats what id like to know |
| 07:52.01 | tekkub | if we did someone would have said so when you asked the first time :P |
| 07:52.15 | Tim8 | yeah I would think so as well |
| 07:52.18 | Duman | since the "disenchant" action does not reveal the item being disenchanted - only the result |
| 07:53.03 | Tim8 | in the end a program of this nature would still serve the main purpose of making sure that all the mats gained from d/e ing is all turned over |
| 07:53.13 | Duman | the only solution to this would be that you BOTH run an addon that tracked what item was being disenchanted and the results, and then it would have to send YOU the data on source->result of the DE |
| 07:53.22 | tekkub | or you could just level up your own DEer |
| 07:53.39 | Duman | yeah or that ;) |
| 07:53.43 | tekkub | which is, in fact, the ONLY way to ensure that all your item's DEs were given to you |
| 07:54.29 | Tim8 | when youre in party chat with someone it tells you in the chat box what mats that person gets when they d/e something thats what id like a record of to make sure that all the mats they got when d/e ing were all turned over to me in the end |
| 07:54.46 | Tim8 | I do have my own d/e but sometimes have someone else to help as it goes faster |
| 07:54.54 | tekkub | and you have no way of knowing that they DE'd YOUR items |
| 07:55.08 | Duman | tim8 you can do that... but I odn't know of anything (offhand) that would do that out-of-the-box.. but you sitll have the issue of not knowing WHAT they DE'd |
| 07:55.19 | Tim8 | yeah but its very logical to assume thety wouldnt be d/eing something that theirs |
| 07:55.39 | Duman | if you say so... :) |
| 07:57.27 | Tim8 | all that matter is this - when in party with someone your text box tells you what mats that person receives for each item they d/e wether it lists the item itself isnt that important just that it does state so and so recives 2 eternals or 2 dusts over and over and over and when its all said and done if theres a program that addis at all up in one nice summary thats all that matters |
| 07:57.53 | tekkub | there isn't |
| 07:58.03 | Tim8 | well there should be then ( : |
| 07:58.16 | Tim8 | cuz im sure a program like this would be very usefull for many others |
| 07:58.26 | Duman | write it, then :) |
| 07:58.38 | tekkub | then go tell it to one of the many addon idea forums |
| 07:58.41 | tekkub | or write it :P |
| 07:59.09 | Tim8 | if I had the first idea about programming id love to but I dont I do however know there are many other addons that do things similair in nature so cant be that hard to write for someone that knows |
| 07:59.23 | tekkub | so learn |
| 07:59.32 | Tim8 | ok teach me |
| 07:59.49 | tekkub | things don't work that way around here :P |
| 07:59.54 | Tim8 | well then |
| 08:00.06 | tekkub | if you want someone to teach you to program, go to your local community college |
| 08:00.15 | Duman | you can take tekkub's other suggestions to post the idea on one of the addon idea forums |
| 08:00.23 | Tim8 | no I really dont care I was justr being a smart ass like you |
| 08:00.35 | Duman | -s |
| 08:00.40 | Duman | ugh, tired |
| 08:00.43 | Duman | & [Zzzz] |
| 08:05.09 | Tem | Tim8, the jist is we don't know of any addon that does what you want. Further, we disagree that what you propose would be particularly useful. You are, however, welcome to post your idea in addon idea forums to see if you can find someone who does. |
| 08:06.16 | Fisker- | do you guys like fishsticks? |
| 08:06.39 | tekkub | only if they're burnt on the outside and frozen on the inside |
| 08:07.14 | Tim8 | well respectfully I counter that im sure it would very usefull for those that know what I know about this and knowing what I know id love to have a program like this but ty ill look elsewhere |
| 08:07.50 | Fisker- | then you're a fay fish |
| 08:07.55 | Fisker- | doh |
| 08:07.56 | Fisker- | also |
| 08:07.58 | Fisker- | doh again |
| 08:08.07 | Fisker- | no girls allowed on this joke :( |
| 08:08.18 | tekkub | you're not getting it are ya? repeating how useful you think it is isn't going to get people here to agree |
| 08:08.20 | Aezay | Tem, is LibExtraTip yours? |
| 08:08.24 | Tem | it is |
| 08:08.28 | Tem | well |
| 08:08.34 | Tem | "mine" is flexible |
| 08:08.47 | Tem | "I wrote the bulk of it" is more accurate |
| 08:08.49 | tekkub | in fact it's most likely to just piss people off and *not* want to implement it |
| 08:09.08 | Tem | tekkub, honestly, it pissed me off 20 minutes ago |
| 08:09.11 | Tim8 | lol tek get over yourself I wasnt responding to you |
| 08:09.22 | Aezay | Been talking with Nechckn about the conflicts TipTac created with LET, no doubt you heard of that? |
| 08:09.27 | Tem | yeah |
| 08:09.40 | Tem | a possible fix for that went up yesterday into the dev branch |
| 08:09.51 | tekkub | yea Tem, but you have more powers here than me |
| 08:09.52 | Tem | I haven't had time to look at it myself |
| 08:09.53 | Aezay | A cool, what was the actual problem? |
| 08:09.57 | Tem | been amazingly buzy |
| 08:10.12 | Tem | like I have an OS project due friday and I'm no where near done |
| 08:10.34 | Tem | well, that's what concerns me about the fix |
| 08:10.41 | Tem | I don't know what the problem is yet |
| 08:11.01 | Tem | the change made is kind of a "treat the symptom" kind of change imo |
| 08:11.11 | Tem | it may turn out to be the actual proper fix |
| 08:11.17 | Tem | but I don't know _why_ yet |
| 08:13.19 | DWSR | Aezay: LET? |
| 08:13.30 | Aezay | Good news |
| 08:14.05 | Aezay | DWSR, LibExtraTip |
| 08:14.16 | Aezay | It's part of the Auctioneer suite |
| 08:14.38 | DWSR | tbh, they need to stop using that |
| 08:14.59 | DWSR | oh, nvm. I'm thinking stubbuy. |
| 08:15.00 | DWSR | stubby* |
| 08:16.23 | Aezay | just read something on http://jira.norganna.org/browse/LTT-31 apparently they forced the height back to zero when reusing objects |
| 08:16.34 | Aezay | so it wouldnt mess up the normal tooltip |
| 08:19.04 | tekkub | I has bailey's irish ice cream ^^ |
| 08:19.08 | tekkub | I WIN |
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| 08:24.15 | tekkub | PRAISE BE TO JEEBUS |
| 08:24.46 | tekkub | he was a real weiner |
| 08:30.47 | tekkub | Adys: I'm not getting involved... but I really did LOL |
| 08:30.48 | tekkub | http://skitch.com/tekkub/bmdud/my-watchlist-wowwiki-your-guide-to-the-world-of-warcraft |
| 08:31.08 | tekkub | something just strikes me as funny about seeing that in my watchlist |
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| 08:36.04 | Adys | tekkub: yeah |
| 08:36.14 | Adys | tekkub: read up on #wowwiki if you got popcorn :P |
| 08:36.29 | tekkub | I have Bailey's Icerish Cream ^^ |
| 08:39.02 | tekkub | yea, the IRC drama I see is rather boring actually |
| 08:39.10 | tekkub | maybe my backlog is too short |
| 08:41.26 | Adys | theres no irc drama |
| 08:41.35 | Adys | just been making fun of him for the past day |
| 08:42.04 | Shirik | Adys likes python |
| 08:42.05 | Shirik | discuss. |
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| 08:43.03 | tekkub | what is there to discuss? |
| 08:43.22 | Adys | its so great omg |
| 08:43.40 | Shirik | ~Adys-- |
| 08:44.19 | Adys | ~shirik-- |
| 08:44.25 | Shirik | no fu |
| 08:44.27 | Shirik | ~Adys++ |
| 08:44.30 | Adys | ~shirik-- |
| 08:44.32 | Arrowmaster | fucking cable has been out for almost 3 hours............ |
| 08:44.33 | Shirik | ~Adys-- |
| 08:44.40 | Shirik | fu purl |
| 08:44.41 | Shirik | let me do it |
| 08:44.42 | Adys | ~karma adys |
| 08:44.42 | purl | adys has karma of 1 |
| 08:44.45 | Adys | \o/ |
| 08:44.48 | Adys | ~karma Shiibot |
| 08:44.48 | purl | shiibot has neutral karma |
| 08:44.53 | Adys | ~karma Shirik |
| 08:44.53 | purl | shirik has karma of 7 |
| 08:44.58 | Adys | hey |
| 08:45.04 | Adys | ~shirik-- |
| 08:45.05 | Shirik | ~Adys-- |
| 08:45.11 | Shirik | oh you don't want to go there |
| 08:45.17 | Shirik | I promise I have much more names than you can begin to count |
| 08:45.30 | Shirik | ~karma Shirik |
| 08:45.30 | purl | shirik has karma of 6 |
| 08:45.35 | Adys | wah |
| 08:45.37 | tekkub | fucksmedge |
| 08:45.39 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.41 | tekkub | asslicker |
| 08:45.42 | Adys | [11:45:27] -NickServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. |
| 08:45.47 | tekkub | shirik |
| 08:45.51 | tekkub | I count 3 |
| 08:46.13 | TopTop18 | ~shirik++ |
| 08:46.35 | Adys | how the F is a java/php lover doing with a positive karma anyway? |
| 08:46.39 | Shirik | purl, say batbot: print("shirik++") |
| 08:46.40 | purl | batbot: print("shirik++") |
| 08:46.46 | nevcairiel | ~Shirik-- |
| 08:46.53 | Shirik | purl, say --> print("shirik++") |
| 08:46.54 | purl | --> print("shirik++") |
| 08:46.55 | batbot | purl: shirik++ |
| 08:47.01 | Adys | owned |
| 08:47.07 | Shirik | What? purl: is a valid trigger |
| 08:47.19 | nevcairiel | purl: karma shirik |
| 08:47.19 | purl | shirik has karma of 7 |
| 08:47.21 | Adys | not for karma afaik |
| 08:47.25 | Shirik | ^ |
| 08:47.31 | Fisker- | Shirik do you like fishsticks |
| 08:47.32 | Adys | [11:46:13] <TopTop18> ~shirik++ |
| 08:47.36 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.37 | tekkub | purl, go fuck yourself |
| 08:47.38 | Shirik | (04:46:14) (nevcairiel) ~Shirik-- |
| 08:48.00 | TopTop18 | ~toptop18++ |
| 08:48.02 | Shirik | purl, say lua> print("shirik++") |
| 08:48.03 | purl | lua> print("shirik++") |
| 08:48.04 | lua_bot | purl: shirik++ |
| 08:48.08 | Shirik | ~karma Shirik |
| 08:48.08 | purl | shirik has karma of 8 |
| 08:48.10 | Shirik | ^ |
| 08:48.15 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 08:48.15 | purl | fisker- has karma of -9 |
| 08:48.19 | Fisker- | do you like fishsticks Shirik ? |
| 08:48.23 | Adys | ~fisker--- |
| 08:48.25 | nevcairiel | shirik must have ego problems, he has to get bots to increase his =) |
| 08:48.29 | Fisker- | thanks Adys |
| 08:48.30 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 08:48.31 | purl | fisker- has karma of -10 |
| 08:48.45 | Shirik | nevcairiel, adys was remmoving my karma :( |
| 08:48.50 | Shirik | this morning I had 9 |
| 08:48.52 | nevcairiel | you don't deserve it anyway |
| 08:48.53 | Adys | I wasnt |
| 08:48.54 | Shirik | :< |
| 08:49.03 | Addybot | I WAS! Dum-tah-tum-dah |
| 08:49.08 | Addybot | ~shirik-- |
| 08:49.13 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Addybot!n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 08:49.18 | nevcairiel | there is a cooldown on that, anyway |
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| 08:49.21 | Fisker- | do you like fishsticks Shirik ? |
| 08:49.24 | Addybot | hey |
| 08:49.34 | Adys | nevcairiel: a few secs |
| 08:49.38 | Adys | ~karma shirik |
| 08:49.38 | purl | shirik has karma of 7 |
| 08:49.56 | nevcairiel | Hm i thought it was longer |
| 08:50.05 | Adys | Yeah thats .. |
| 08:50.10 | Adys | .. what she said, yes |
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| 08:50.47 | Fisker- | Shirik won't answer my question |
| 08:50.48 | Shirik | !reload |
| 08:50.49 | Fisker- | terrorist :( |
| 08:51.01 | Adys | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fail-owned-referee-fail.jpg |
| 08:51.02 | Adys | hmm |
| 08:51.16 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 08:51.30 | Adys | you gotta admit he does look like a complete jackass on that pic |
| 08:51.31 | Shirik | my hostmask changed :( |
| 08:51.35 | Fisker- | :) |
| 08:51.47 | Fisker- | That's because you like fishsticks Shirik |
| 08:52.10 | Legorol | does anyone have a link to any random png file? |
| 08:52.16 | Shirik | !quit |
| 08:52.19 | Shirik | grr |
| 08:52.34 | Legorol | goes googlin' |
| 08:52.36 | Adys | http://www.gnu.org/graphics/philosophical-gnu.png |
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| 08:53.24 | Shirik | !reload |
| 08:53.24 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 08:53.26 | Shirik | there we go |
| 08:53.29 | Legorol | thanks Addybot |
| 08:53.29 | Shirik | stupid hostmask changes |
| 08:53.37 | Shirik | Now as I was saying |
| 08:53.46 | nevcairiel | what, you coded some code that periodically increases your karma? |
| 08:53.46 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :~Shirik++ |
| 08:53.46 | Shiibot | ~Shirik++ |
| 08:53.46 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 08:53.46 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 08:53.56 | Shirik | no I just fixed my hostmask, nevcairiel |
| 08:54.10 | Shirik | The !quote, !quit, and !lock commands only respond if said by someone with my hostmask |
| 08:54.21 | Shirik | which changed and I forgot to update Shiibot |
| 08:54.26 | Shirik | oh, and !reload |
| 08:54.28 | Fisker- | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev:~Fisker--- |
| 08:54.28 | batbot | Fisker-, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 08:54.32 | Fisker- | :( |
| 08:54.37 | Adys | http://codedread.com/images/svg-support.png |
| 08:54.45 | Adys | I love the BIG RED BARS in the middle |
| 08:55.00 | Shirik | what is that? |
| 08:55.06 | Adys | svg support |
| 08:55.29 | Fisker- | how can IE only get an F? |
| 08:55.31 | Adys | wasnt IE8 supposed to pass the acid3 test anyway? |
| 08:55.32 | Fisker- | What about F-? |
| 08:55.36 | Fisker- | Acid2 |
| 08:55.41 | Shirik | ok, but what is the horizontal axis? |
| 08:55.52 | Adys | Shirik: probably specific features of svg |
| 08:56.03 | Legorol | !google svg |
| 08:56.03 | Shirik | I like the big fat 0% on IE |
| 08:56.04 | batbot | Legorol: Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) <http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/> |
| 08:56.23 | Adys | !google shirik |
| 08:56.24 | batbot | Adys: Shirik Draguinea - WikiFur, the furry encyclopedia <http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Shirik_Draguinea> |
| 08:56.29 | Shirik | hey cool |
| 08:56.35 | Adys | no comment |
| 08:58.13 | Fisker- | likes how people don't get Acid3 |
| 08:58.17 | Fisker- | Either you fail, or you don't |
| 08:58.20 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 08:58.42 | Legorol | I want to read a .tga file in Lua (and no, I don't want to use any libraries). What'd be the best way to read the file and organise its content into a data structure? |
| 08:59.01 | Legorol | Preferably some relatively generic implementation that I could tweak for other file types |
| 08:59.27 | Adys | Legorol: something like read the bytes, then do some.. thing to get it like organized into a.. well, some image or something and then you decode stuff |
| 08:59.29 | Adys | and then |
| 08:59.34 | Adys | basically thats it |
| 08:59.41 | Legorol | Is this sensible: read the whole file as a single string, then split it into bytes, and put fiels into a table with named keys |
| 08:59.55 | Legorol | *fields |
| 09:00.44 | Shirik | no |
| 09:00.51 | Shirik | that would be hell on performance |
| 09:00.53 | Legorol | I was thinking how I could generalise the process and come up with some meta-data structure that'd represent the file structure, such that I could use this for a range of file types by just changing the meta-data |
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| 09:01.08 | Legorol | Shirik: i don't mean string.split |
| 09:01.09 | Shirik | read it maybe 1024 bytes at a time |
| 09:01.17 | Legorol | ok |
| 09:01.26 | Shirik | then fill in the table, and continue, etc. |
| 09:01.32 | Shirik | drop the string each time, too |
| 09:01.53 | Legorol | doesn't that get fiddly if the fields don't align with 1024 byte boundaries |
| 09:01.59 | Shirik | as the creation of a string is, at minimum, O(n) that could cause you some problems |
| 09:02.05 | Legorol | actually, does Lua give a way to read n bytes? |
| 09:02.13 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it does |
| 09:02.16 | Legorol | woot |
| 09:02.31 | Legorol | then i can just read field by field, and when i come to the main chunk, then read 1024 bytes at a time |
| 09:02.32 | Shirik | 1024 was an arbitrary number I picked |
| 09:02.37 | Shirik | I tend to do 1024 bytes at a time when reading a file |
| 09:02.47 | Shirik | because both 1 and everything is bad for performance |
| 09:02.49 | Legorol | it wasn't the actual number that got me going, but the idea of alignment |
| 09:03.14 | Legorol | in the specific case of .tga, there are a few fields of few bytes only at the start, i probably want to read those first |
| 09:03.18 | Legorol | and then get started on the main chunk |
| 09:03.39 | Shirik | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-file:read |
| 09:03.44 | Shirik | number: reads a string with up to this number of characters, returning nil on end of file. If number is zero, it reads nothing and returns an empty string, or nil on end of file |
| 09:03.47 | Legorol | actually, Shirik, what's the best way to store the main image data in Lua? |
| 09:03.54 | Legorol | wouldn't i still have to put it in a single string? |
| 09:04.02 | Shirik | assuming you're using pure lua, yes |
| 09:04.09 | Legorol | yes, pure lua |
| 09:04.11 | Legorol | *Lua |
| 09:04.15 | Legorol | (before krka notices) |
| 09:04.21 | Shirik | that still scares me |
| 09:04.31 | Shirik | because Lua strings are optimized for string use |
| 09:04.32 | Legorol | not sure there is anything else i can do |
| 09:05.05 | Shirik | well if you're going to read in the whole file, then use file:read()'s "whole file" capability |
| 09:05.09 | Shirik | that way you aren't catting strings all over the place |
| 09:05.12 | Legorol | I guess i could store the 1024-byte blocks in an array of strings |
| 09:05.22 | Shirik | at least then you only pay the penalty once |
| 09:05.27 | Legorol | yeah that was my first idea |
| 09:05.40 | Legorol | read in whole file -> do some processing |
| 09:06.11 | Shirik | I kinda wish Lua had a "byte array" functionality sometimes |
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| 09:06.28 | Shirik | With the functionality of strings without all the "extra" stuff that you would pay penalties for |
| 09:07.05 | Tem | fuckin, yay |
| 09:07.08 | Shirik | but I doubt it will ever be put in, it doesn't have enough of a use case |
| 09:07.11 | Tem | my memory allocator works |
| 09:07.14 | Legorol | would it make sense to store the main chunk of data as an array instead then? |
| 09:07.15 | Shirik | strings can get the job done |
| 09:07.24 | Shirik | I think there's too much overhead, Legorol |
| 09:07.25 | Legorol | especially if i plan to change individual bytes |
| 09:07.45 | Shirik | if you do plan to change individual bytes, you're going to pay an extremely hefty fee for putting it in a string |
| 09:07.51 | Legorol | if i stored as a sigle string, changing bytes is very painful |
| 09:07.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:08.02 | Xinhuan | you should not use Lua ;p |
| 09:08.17 | Shirik | there's nothing wrong with Lua here |
| 09:08.21 | Shirik | it just needs assistance from C |
| 09:08.24 | Legorol | Xinhuan: that may be so, but I would like to :) |
| 09:08.28 | Shirik | userdata would be PERFECT for something like this |
| 09:08.37 | Tem | Shirik, hit the nail on the head there |
| 09:08.39 | Legorol | this isn't a question of what i should or shouldn't ;) |
| 09:08.44 | Tem | that's EXACTLY what I was going to suggest |
| 09:08.53 | Shirik | unfortunately he already said he can't use that, Tem |
| 09:09.01 | Tem | wtfwhy? |
| 09:09.07 | Shirik | because it needs to be entirely lua |
| 09:09.13 | Tem | wtfwhy? |
| 09:09.17 | Shirik | well that I didn't ask |
| 09:09.25 | Legorol | it's a valid question |
| 09:09.37 | Legorol | the answer is: fun and portability |
| 09:10.08 | Legorol | i know that C is much better for the job :) but that's irrelevant atm |
| 09:10.13 | Legorol | think of it as an academic exercise if you want |
| 09:10.32 | Legorol | so given that i'm sticking to Lua, what's the best solution? |
| 09:10.42 | Shirik | Well, do you care more about memory or speed? |
| 09:10.45 | Tem | int pc = machine->ReadRegister(PCReg); machine->WriteRegister(PCNextReg, pc + 4); |
| 09:10.49 | Tem | wheeee |
| 09:11.06 | Legorol | as an aside: Lua was originally designed as a language for data description, so i'd be surprised if i couldn't efficiently handle large chunks of data |
| 09:11.09 | Shirik | Tem, would you like my virtual CPU? I think it's pretty pro :) |
| 09:11.14 | Shirik | And comes with a full suite of test cases |
| 09:11.16 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 09:11.23 | Shirik | got a 115% |
| 09:11.27 | Tem | I have a virtual OS! |
| 09:11.29 | Shirik | It even has its own assembler! |
| 09:11.33 | Tem | it's sort of working |
| 09:11.51 | Tem | the Join system call fails pretty hardcore at the moment |
| 09:12.06 | Shirik | wtf is that operation |
| 09:12.08 | Shirik | like a nop? |
| 09:12.15 | Tem | it's a wait |
| 09:12.16 | Cairenn | wheee for analogies! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137367933&postId=161359376386&sid=1#19 |
| 09:12.26 | Tem | Join(ProcessID id) |
| 09:12.35 | Tem | sleep the current process |
| 09:12.43 | Tem | until the joined process completes |
| 09:12.53 | Shirik | um |
| 09:12.54 | Legorol | Cairenn: page not loaded yet, but i see wowmatrix in the title |
| 09:12.58 | Legorol | do i want to keep reading? |
| 09:12.58 | Shirik | how is that supposed to work? |
| 09:13.05 | Shirik | all you do is increment PC |
| 09:13.22 | Legorol | Shirik: he is not writing back into the same register |
| 09:13.29 | Legorol | he is reading from PCReg, and writing to PCNextReg |
| 09:13.32 | Legorol | (whatever those are) |
| 09:13.43 | Shirik | well his first problem is that his variables have capital names |
| 09:13.50 | Tem | I didn't design that part |
| 09:13.52 | Shirik | Unless those are enums |
| 09:13.55 | Shirik | in which they should be ALL_CAPS |
| 09:14.07 | Tem | and they're #DEFINES, iirc |
| 09:14.16 | Shirik | then they should be capitalized |
| 09:14.22 | Shirik | I take points off for that |
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| 09:14.52 | Tem | I would agree with you |
| 09:14.56 | Tem | but I didn't write that |
| 09:15.05 | Shirik | so tell your professor he loses points |
| 09:15.06 | Tem | and I'm not touching anything in this that I Don't _need_ to |
| 09:15.16 | Tem | I'm too afraid to break it |
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| 09:16.49 | Adys | Cairenn: lol |
| 09:16.52 | Adys | "The problem with the authenticator is the false sense of security. Sure, your WoW account is safe but what about your ... bank account? " |
| 09:16.55 | Cairenn | Adys: heh |
| 09:17.20 | Shirik | Adys: My bank card has an RSA securid tag on it now |
| 09:17.24 | Shirik | on it |
| 09:17.30 | Shirik | it's pretty sick |
| 09:17.41 | Xinhuan | my bank account has its own authenticator ;p |
| 09:19.10 | Shirik | though, Adys, it has been argued that authenticators only add a window in which crackers must get in |
| 09:19.15 | Shirik | not blocks them out |
| 09:19.26 | Shirik | (not true for my bank, but for WoW) |
| 09:19.40 | Adys | its been agreed widely that Ill never get an authenticator |
| 09:20.00 | Adys | and crackers can get in whichever of my bodyhole they want they're not getting any password |
| 09:20.08 | Xinhuan | how would a bank's authenticator be any different from wow's one? |
| 09:20.23 | Adys | Xinhuan: at a guess, the pretty coloured logo on the side |
| 09:20.31 | Shirik | the implementation server-side, Xinhuan |
| 09:20.46 | Adys | also what it lets you log in to. |
| 09:20.57 | Xinhuan | so you're saying people argue wow's implementation is less secure? |
| 09:21.04 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:21.09 | Shirik | and in a sense they're justified |
| 09:21.16 | Xinhuan | whats the reasoning there? |
| 09:21.27 | Lukian | the authenticator is easy to bypass? |
| 09:21.45 | Xinhuan | explain how so |
| 09:21.50 | Legorol | Lukian: what? |
| 09:21.58 | Lukian | Don't know, just what I've heard. |
| 09:22.09 | Legorol | false rumours are false |
| 09:22.49 | Shirik | Lukian: That's not really a well-founded statement |
| 09:22.52 | Legorol | My grandpa's friend's niece's friend's sister thought someone bypassed her authenticator. It must be true. |
| 09:23.06 | Shirik | I downloaded addon X and then my account got hacked. X must be a keylogger. |
| 09:23.08 | Tem | Legorol, Onyxia Deep Breaths more this patch |
| 09:23.13 | nevcairiel | obviously having an authenticator is more secure then not having one, since the password is still required. even *if* you could somehow bypass it, my account isnt more vulnerable now =p |
| 09:23.14 | Legorol | Tem wins |
| 09:23.26 | Shirik | nevcairiel: flawed logic is flawed |
| 09:23.33 | Shirik | "is not less secure" |
| 09:23.35 | Shirik | not "is more secure" |
| 09:23.35 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 09:23.53 | nevcairiel | those can both be true |
| 09:23.57 | Shirik | If the authenticator were in fact bypassable, then it would be equal |
| 09:24.01 | Shirik | not greater |
| 09:24.06 | Shirik | I'm not saying it is |
| 09:24.07 | Legorol | i'd be more interested in the discussion on why WoW's server-side implementation is weaker? |
| 09:24.10 | Tem | in the worst case senario, adding the authenticator does nothing |
| 09:24.10 | Shirik | I'm just saying your logic is flawed :P |
| 09:24.12 | Legorol | that wasn't elaborated on |
| 09:24.15 | Adys | nevcairiel: imagine someone is being tracked down to be shot |
| 09:24.19 | Shirik | That wasn't elaborated on for a reason :) |
| 09:24.19 | Adys | and hes wearing a bulletproof vest |
| 09:24.27 | Adys | now this is useless if hes shot to the head isnt it? |
| 09:24.34 | Tem | but in EVERY OTHER CASE, adding the authenticator makes you more secure |
| 09:24.38 | Adys | thats basically luring yourself into a sense of security |
| 09:24.39 | nevcairiel | Adys: i don't follow your analogy |
| 09:24.48 | Adys | eg |
| 09:24.52 | Adys | you feel more secure |
| 09:24.55 | Adys | you take less precautions |
| 09:24.59 | nevcairiel | Adys: its not like i throw around my password now |
| 09:25.05 | Adys | yeah not you |
| 09:25.06 | Tem | does |
| 09:25.10 | Tem | accidently, anyway |
| 09:25.22 | Lukian | sighs |
| 09:25.28 | Tem | speaking of which, I did that with my auth key the other day |
| 09:25.28 | Lukian | how long till casinos are banned? |
| 09:25.29 | Fisker- | do you guys like fishsticks? |
| 09:25.30 | nevcairiel | if i were to accidentally post it here like other people managed to, i would still hurry to the account page and change it |
| 09:25.31 | Tem | it amused me |
| 09:25.35 | Xinhuan | blizzard never said it makes your account bullet proof. they only advertised as "makes your account more secure" isn't it? |
| 09:25.36 | Adys | but lambda usx77qlsp8er x will just think "Yeha I have an authenticator I can do whatever I want!" |
| 09:25.38 | Adys | oops |
| 09:26.20 | nevcairiel | especialy not that you don#t need an authenticator for forum postings anymore |
| 09:26.30 | nevcairiel | dont want to be banned for spamming that wasnt even me |
| 09:26.31 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:26.35 | Adys | nevcairiel: I actually pasted my real password on #wowwiki twice now |
| 09:26.37 | Xinhuan | i think that's an option nev |
| 09:26.38 | Fisker- | Just get unbanned again |
| 09:26.40 | Adys | I havent changed it |
| 09:26.46 | Lukian | greps |
| 09:26.53 | Adys | have fun it goes years back |
| 09:26.55 | Xinhuan | u can disable it for forum posting soon, as an option |
| 09:27.08 | nevcairiel | I thought it was for everyone :P |
| 09:27.13 | Fisker- | You don't need the authenticator anymore |
| 09:27.22 | nevcairiel | But i never visit the EU forums, and i don't have an US account |
| 09:27.27 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
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| 09:36.37 | Fisker- | hey nevcairiel |
| 09:36.39 | Fisker- | is that a snail? |
| 09:36.44 | Fisker- | No it's a turtle? |
| 09:36.50 | Fisker- | No it's Blizzard EU's webteam |
| 09:36.51 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:39.12 | Corrodias | wut |
| 09:40.28 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: i doubt its the web team, the EU auth servers have to be adapted to support the logins too |
| 09:40.47 | Fisker- | Yeah they've only had like a year to do that nevcairiel |
| 09:41.07 | Fisker- | Probably more as they're probably noticed in advance of us |
| 09:41.52 | Fisker- | Besides they don't even have to be adapted |
| 09:42.12 | nevcairiel | of course they do, they have to look at a complete new database |
| 09:42.38 | Fisker- | You could use the US authentication server |
| 09:42.47 | Fisker- | Because the accounts are global |
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| 10:01.29 | msou| | Well |
| 10:01.59 | msou| | I wanted to play on a US realms, bought the game from the local store "Finland" and I had to wait for over 1 week |
| 10:02.25 | msou| | to replace my EU auth keys to the US ones... had to take pics/recipe etc and ended up with the EU realms |
| 10:03.46 | msou| | most of my friends play on a US realms.. well they're all Americans and the ones from Finland plays the game from time to time except one, and she has her char on a diff server. promised her to get to play with her once I hit lvl 55. playing without a mount sucks |
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| 10:43.54 | Shirik | night all |
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| 11:20.31 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8638484744&postId=86374778239&sid=1#2 <-he better be trollin |
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| 11:54.11 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 11:55.01 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz |
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| 12:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | gives Dolby a great big hug. |
| 12:06.52 | Fisker- | gives Lopeppeppy a great big tackle |
| 12:07.22 | Lopeppeppy | Oof, don't break the Peppy! :) |
| 12:07.42 | Fisker- | :( |
| 12:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | Messed up my back riding in the car forever and ever and ever, big hugs hurt. :) |
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| 12:40.37 | JackBurton7676 | anyone know of a master addon wiki or even single wiki's for popular ones? |
| 12:41.11 | airtonix | what do you mean? |
| 12:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | Most of them have info pages you download from, why would they need additional wikis? |
| 12:41.23 | airtonix | ^ |
| 12:41.39 | airtonix | a wiki for your wiki thats about someone elses wiki |
| 12:41.40 | cbreak | you don't know what you'd need a wiki for? |
| 12:41.43 | cbreak | it's quite clear |
| 12:41.49 | cbreak | for [citation needed] |
| 12:42.02 | Lopeppeppy | which is exactly why there aren't wikis. :P |
| 12:42.10 | JackBurton7676 | some of them are essential but im overwhemmed tryng to understand how to configure them |
| 12:42.27 | airtonix | steve ballmer : wiki-authors, wiki-authors, wiki-authors, wiki-authors. |
| 12:42.32 | JackBurton7676 | for example bagon |
| 12:42.42 | zenzelezz | no, there are no essential addons |
| 12:42.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ah.. yeah. Check for a read-me file in the download, or perhaps the comments on the download site. |
| 12:42.45 | JackBurton7676 | i used to arkinventory |
| 12:42.49 | zenzelezz | that's an entirely subjective thing |
| 12:43.02 | airtonix | i used a pen and paper |
| 12:43.02 | JackBurton7676 | ok lodepeppy |
| 12:43.25 | ZorbaBeta | there are certainly addons that are more standard than others for certain kinds of gameplay, but certainly none essential for having fun |
| 12:44.02 | airtonix | theres no fun to be had without a set of 20 sided die |
| 12:44.06 | ZorbaBeta | (although there are a few spec/gameplay types where you *basically* need an addon to perform optimally - Eclipse timing for boomkin, for example) |
| 12:44.24 | Wobin | yo dawg, I heard you liked wikis so we put a wiki in your wiki so you can wikiwiki while you wiki |
| 12:44.25 | JackBurton7676 | zorba your talking about raid essential addons, tradeskill/auction addons, and general managment/combat/navigation addons? |
| 12:44.49 | ZorbaBeta | jack, all of those, really. if you don't raid you won't need the first, if you don't do tradeskills you won't need the second, etc. there's no single addon that *everyone* needs |
| 12:44.50 | Lopeppeppy | I guess, to a certain extent, addon authors also assume a certain amount of functional intuitiveness by this point. Use the commands, see what options you have, monkey around. *gentle shrug* |
| 12:44.58 | ZorbaBeta | but depending on what you're doing, there's probably 2 or 3 that are very, very helpful. |
| 12:45.29 | ZorbaBeta | airtonix, I heard one of the geekiest things ever lately. a few people I know were bored in SWG and trying to come up with something fun to do. well, the SWG developers had included crafting plans for all the standard D&D dice |
| 12:45.52 | ZorbaBeta | so they crafted up a set, then sat around in their Star Wars Galaxies house playing D&D |
| 12:46.37 | airtonix | i've wanted to play swg |
| 12:46.52 | airtonix | sounds like it has more detail than wow |
| 12:47.21 | ZorbaBeta | I've heard it has severe balance and gameplay issues, unfortunately. |
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| 12:58.37 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1239181422768.jpg <- truth |
| 12:59.06 | Lopeppeppy | Politcs suck. |
| 13:00.32 | Duman | peppy: amen |
| 13:03.16 | cbreak | maybe it's because of his skin color... |
| 13:14.39 | airtonix | yay i ahve a 52/54/0 spec on ptr as a priest : lololololol |
| 13:15.03 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | I wanna play. |
| 13:15.43 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.08 | airtonix | wow this is awesome, i have 52/14/0 real spec...i spec into penance....and NO PENANCE SPELL... |
| 13:17.28 | airtonix | T_T |
| 13:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | It's the PTR. dear. Report it using the bug report feature. |
| 13:24.32 | zenzelezz | airtonix: means you're beyond penance, you sinner |
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| 13:27.13 | airtonix | what else floats ? [man in crowd] Very small rocks? |
| 13:27.21 | airtonix | A DUCK! |
| 13:28.00 | airtonix | ahh so therefore ? [man in crowd] if she weighs the same .... as .. a duck.. |
| 13:28.19 | airtonix | [other man in the crowd] A WITCH! BURN HER! |
| 13:28.55 | Wobin | She turned me into a newt! *nods* |
| 13:29.11 | Lopeppeppy | I got better. |
| 13:29.14 | zenzelezz | My liege! |
| 13:29.52 | zenzelezz | there are just so many great scenes in that movie |
| 13:30.00 | zenzelezz | I AM INVINCIBLE! |
| 13:30.22 | airtonix | Bailiff: "You are hereby charged that on the 28th day of May, 1970, you did willfully, unlawfully, and with malice of forethought, publish an alleged English-Hungarian phrase book with intent to cause a breach of the peace. How do you plead?" |
| 13:30.38 | airtonix | Publisher: "Not guilty." |
| 13:31.08 | airtonix | Bailiff: "I quote an example. The Hungarian phrase meaning 'Can you direct me to the station?' is translated by the English phrase, 'Please fondle my bum.'" |
| 13:31.16 | airtonix | Publisher: "I wish to plead incompetence." |
| 13:31.45 | airtonix | Cut to ancient footage of old women applauding. |
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| 13:40.10 | airtonix | Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. |
| 13:40.52 | zenzelezz | Help! Help! I'm being repressed! |
| 13:41.20 | airtonix | Bloody peasant! |
| 13:41.38 | airtonix | Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you? |
| 13:42.10 | zenzelezz | curse you, I may have to bring out that DVD later |
| 13:42.38 | airtonix | Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history. |
| 13:42.51 | airtonix | Did you say shrubberies? |
| 13:42.56 | airtonix | Yes, shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies. |
| 13:43.23 | airtonix | Knight 1: We are now no longer the Knights who say Ni. |
| 13:43.27 | airtonix | Knight 2: NI. |
| 13:43.30 | airtonix | Other Knights: Shh... |
| 13:43.37 | airtonix | Knight 1: We are now the Knights who say... âEkki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z'nourrwringmm. |
| 13:43.50 | airtonix | that is all i promise |
| 13:44.45 | zenzelezz | "Nu" "No no, it's 'ni'" |
| 13:49.39 | airtonix | All dwarfs are by nature dutiful, serious, literate, obedient and thoughtful people whose only minor failing is a tendency, after one drink, to rush at enemies screaming "Arrrrrrgh!" and axing their legs off at the knee. |
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| 14:32.23 | ZorbaBeta | I wish there were an easy way to encourage the garbage collector to look at specific tables ASAP |
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| 14:33.53 | nevcairiel | collectgarbage("collect") :) |
| 14:34.04 | ZorbaBeta | ideally in a manner that did not result in framerate hitches ;) |
| 14:34.08 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: are you beta testing yourself? |
| 14:34.26 | Legorol | it was funnier before :( |
| 14:34.28 | ZorbaTHut | I got disconnected and haven't figured out how to make my client autorecover :P |
| 14:34.58 | Seerah | Legorol: I was about to ask what his new features were... |
| 14:35.01 | Legorol | /nickserv ghost ZorbaTHut, followed by /nick ZorbaTHut |
| 14:35.25 | Legorol | if that's what you meant |
| 14:35.28 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, I know how to do it manually, I don't know how to get the client to do it automatically |
| 14:35.41 | Legorol | aah ok |
| 14:35.44 | Legorol | l2script? |
| 14:35.46 | Legorol | ducks |
| 14:35.50 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* lazy :P |
| 14:36.39 | Legorol | as for your original question: i know this is not the answer you are looking for, but are you sure you really need to do an on-the-spot garbage collection of a few key objects? |
| 14:37.48 | ZorbaTHut | oh yes. very, very sure. I have a nasty hacked-up solution involving a reserve table that I can pull things from and put things back in, and that's reduced my memory increase by several hundred kilobytes per second |
| 14:38.01 | ZorbaTHut | but it's a bit errorprone, and in cases where I'm not 100% certain something can be deallocated, I can't use it |
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| 14:38.31 | ZorbaTHut | being able to just tell the GC "hey look at this real fast thx" would improve things a lot. Although I don't know how hard that would be to code on the GC side. |
| 14:39.02 | nevcairiel | You don't have to think about it, as its probably not going to happen :) |
| 14:39.45 | ZorbaTHut | I may as well think about it, since it's something I may end up looking into more thoroughly for my next non-WoW projects |
| 14:39.52 | VonhintenHOME` | Hey Zorba, you gotten any tickets lately about the tooltip counters for quest mobs not showing up properly? |
| 14:40.23 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, I honestly just ignore my tickets at the moment, I'm a bad developer :P which mobs and which counters? just mouseovering random mobs that you have a quest for? what does it do? |
| 14:40.46 | VonhintenHOME` | In general, they've just been flakey, not showing up |
| 14:40.51 | VonhintenHOME` | sometimes they do, sometimes not |
| 14:41.19 | VonhintenHOME` | but not flakey on the same mob, in other words, some quest objectives show, others don't |
| 14:41.20 | ZorbaTHut | hrm. is it flaky within a single mob? |
| 14:41.23 | ZorbaTHut | ah |
| 14:41.32 | ZorbaTHut | well, if you can give an example of one that doesn't, I'd be interested |
| 14:41.47 | VonhintenHOME` | Lemme see if I can find one I remember from last night |
| 14:41.54 | ZorbaTHut | although there's a lot of cases where QH0 is just plain bad at figuring out which mobs are important |
| 14:45.41 | VonhintenHOME` | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12666 |
| 14:46.08 | ZorbaTHut | curious |
| 14:46.13 | VonhintenHOME` | That quest, no tooltips for me when I hover over the Har'koan Subduer |
| 14:46.39 | ZorbaTHut | next time this happens - I assume you don't have the info easily available now - check to see what QH says on the map. See if it's directing you to the right place, and see what the tooltip says about where you should be getting that item from |
| 14:46.57 | VonhintenHOME` | ok |
| 14:47.04 | ZorbaTHut | it might say "Kill Har'koan Subduer" or it might say something totally different :) |
| 14:47.18 | ZorbaTHut | feel free to /msg me if I'm not around, I get all my messages and that'll be quite useful for debugging |
| 14:47.34 | ZorbaTHut | and thanks for letting me know :) |
| 14:47.48 | VonhintenHOME` | there are 2 mobs that drop that quest item, wonder if that is a reason |
| 14:48.01 | VonhintenHOME` | Claw of Har'koa is the other mob |
| 14:48.10 | ZorbaTHut | I think it'll handle that properly and display them both |
| 14:48.14 | ZorbaTHut | though I'm not 100% sure on that |
| 14:48.28 | VonhintenHOME` | k, I'll look more carefully next time it happens |
| 14:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.32 | Seerah | tackles Shirik |
| 14:50.37 | Shirik | falls over |
| 14:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, we win. |
| 14:50.48 | Seerah | hurray! |
| 14:51.15 | Seerah | the taller they are, the harder they fall ;) |
| 14:51.17 | Fisker- | kills Shirik |
| 14:51.31 | mikma | ~Fisker--- |
| 14:53.09 | Fisker- | thanks mikma |
| 14:53.11 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 14:53.11 | purl | fisker- has karma of -11 |
| 14:53.17 | Olison | :-D |
| 14:53.29 | Fisker- | still got a few points to go so i can get back to where i was |
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| 14:56.59 | ZorbaTHut | side note I wish there were an easy way to enumerate everything that was about to get garbage collected |
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| 14:59.46 | VonhintenHOME` | I wish there were better debugging facilities altogether |
| 15:00.38 | VonhintenHOME` | It's like the dark ages of development working with this stuff |
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| 15:11.34 | ZorbaTHut | most of it I'm okay with - I've pretty much used debug printouts for years at this point, I just don't use a debugger anymore - but it would be really nice to have just a tiny bit more control over the environment |
| 15:11.49 | ZorbaTHut | sane profiling, for example. I'd love sane profiling. :( |
| 15:13.37 | AckisWork | I remember a debugging tool in C that let me step by see what my vars were, etc |
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| 15:15.01 | nevcairiel | blues stand on profiling is simple, if you do something that requires more profiling then they provide, you probably shouldnt be doing it :D |
| 15:15.24 | Kalroth | haha |
| 15:15.39 | ZorbaTHut | nev, all that means is that I'm going to do it less efficiently than otherwise ;) |
| 15:16.11 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: do you agree with that stance? :P |
| 15:16.27 | nevcairiel | You can profile specific algorithms out-of-game |
| 15:16.45 | ZorbaTHut | if I already knew what parts of the code were slow, I wouldn't need to profile it |
| 15:18.49 | nevcairiel | meh i'm not getting into that discussion again, but there are ways to figure out which part of an addon uses the most cpu |
| 15:19.05 | AckisWork | there's a dev tool that profiles functions iirc |
| 15:19.09 | AckisWork | function profiler? |
| 15:19.28 | Gnarfoz | something that starts with an E, IIRC |
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| 15:51.43 | cncfanatics1 | anyone know a decent site to buy a cd-key at ? (which accepts credit cards >.> I'm not into paypal) |
| 15:52.40 | AckisWork | yes... i don't recall the name but i htink it was on the gamespy network lemme google |
| 15:53.41 | cncfanatics | I've been googling for a while but its all with paypal |
| 15:54.03 | AckisWork | why can't you use paypal btw? |
| 15:54.15 | AckisWork | I just have my credit card hooked up via paypal |
| 15:54.54 | cncfanatics | those assholes limited my paypal account till I provide proof of where I live, which I can't as I don't work / have any bills yet |
| 15:57.18 | AckisWork | i'm assuming you want wow btw? |
| 15:57.40 | AckisWork | http://www.direct2drive.com/6/878/product/Buy-World-of-Warcraft-Download |
| 15:58.20 | cncfanatics | its for diablo heh :D |
| 15:58.25 | cncfanatics | but direct2drive, lets see |
| 15:59.00 | AckisWork | diablo? |
| 15:59.13 | cncfanatics | diablo 2, LoD |
| 15:59.26 | AckisWork | http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000047 |
| 15:59.44 | cncfanatics | ooh, nice |
| 15:59.50 | foxlit | or, well, http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000048 |
| 15:59.55 | AckisWork | http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000048 is LoD |
| 16:00.08 | AckisWork | http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000038 is hte battlechestorz |
| 16:00.08 | cncfanatics | I lub u |
| 16:00.19 | cncfanatics | its more expensive then the chinese though, but meh |
| 16:00.34 | AckisWork | it'll get linked to your battle.net account => linked to wow |
| 16:01.26 | AckisWork | but you can download it whenever you want... I was able to add my existing CD-keys to it for w3/d2 stuff |
| 16:01.35 | AckisWork | don't think it took war1/war2/d1 however |
| 16:01.39 | AckisWork | bastards |
| 16:01.45 | AckisWork | way to fail! rawrz |
| 16:03.20 | cncfanatics | mmm, the account I made with diablo in the game itself doesn't work OO |
| 16:03.25 | cncfanatics | new account time on battle.net I guess |
| 16:03.27 | AckisWork | but yah... I'd love if all these digital distributors got together |
| 16:03.35 | AckisWork | cncfanatics: use your wow account/ |
| 16:04.15 | cncfanatics | did try |
| 16:04.32 | cncfanatics | I'm european remember, they prolly didn't start using those yet |
| 16:05.00 | AckisWork | o |
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| 16:08.39 | cncfanatics | Coming Soon The World of Warcraft account merge process is not yet available in your region. |
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| 16:11.48 | cbreak | merging accounts? |
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| 16:13.52 | mikma | wow account -> battle.net account |
| 16:13.57 | mikma | one account to rule them all |
| 16:14.22 | cbreak | And in darkness bind them... |
| 16:14.30 | cbreak | too much power for one corporation |
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| 16:14.53 | kneeki | Hey all |
| 16:15.20 | cncfanatics | was alreayd all in the same corp anyway >.> |
| 16:15.29 | cncfanatics | now u just don't have to make a zillion accounts to the same corp |
| 16:15.49 | Legorol | on the plus side: if you bot on one account, you get banned on all acounts |
| 16:15.50 | Legorol | sweet |
| 16:16.18 | Legorol | although i guess botters will just open separate battle.net accounts for each wow account :/ |
| 16:16.37 | Fisker- | naw mikma |
| 16:16.44 | Fisker- | wow account -> 3 week wait |
| 16:16.48 | Fisker- | sofar |
| 16:16.56 | Fisker- | probably gonna be a couple of months more |
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| 16:21.45 | kneeki | is there a way to have an i loop run backwards? like: for i = 5, 1 do print(i) end ? |
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| 16:22.09 | Lunessa | station. |
| 16:22.22 | Lunessa | has his grump on. Wore it to work. |
| 16:22.30 | Zootfizzle | lua> for i = 5, 1, -1 do print(i) end |
| 16:22.31 | lua_bot | Zootfizzle: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 |
| 16:22.31 | Fisker- | kneeki i--? |
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| 16:22.40 | kneeki | woo |
| 16:22.40 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 16:22.46 | kneeki | I didn't think it would work =p |
| 16:23.06 | geargrind | that's what you get for not reading PIL imo |
| 16:23.21 | Zootfizzle | That's what you get for asking your question in #wowuidev :) |
| 16:23.24 | Zootfizzle | imo |
| 16:23.34 | Zootfizzle | (read: an answer) |
| 16:24.15 | kneeki | Zootfizzle: /hug |
| 16:26.07 | geargrind | (read: not thinking it would work... considering http://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.4.html ) |
| 16:26.59 | Fisker- | ? |
| 16:27.17 | geargrind | 09:22 < kneeki> I didn't think it would work =p |
| 16:27.17 | geargrind | 09:23 < geargrind> that's what you get for not reading PIL imo |
| 16:27.34 | Fisker- | ah |
| 16:27.48 | Fisker- | Thought you said it wouldn't work because of the document |
| 16:27.49 | Fisker- | :P |
| 16:27.52 | Seerah | kneeki: http://lua-users.org/wiki/TutorialDirectory |
| 16:28.09 | Lunessa | high-fives Zootfizzle |
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| 16:32.02 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, if I can't wear my grump, you shouldn't either. |
| 16:32.08 | AckisWork | gives Zootfizzle a cookie. Then snatches it away and eats it! |
| 16:32.52 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I has my grump on most days. I just don't take it out on the channel or forums. |
| 16:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | bats Ackis and hugs Lunessa. |
| 16:33.22 | AckisWork | pfft you're all grump nubs |
| 16:34.06 | AckisWork | so... after working on ARL for a long long time... I actually used it like it was meant to be used last night for the first time |
| 16:34.23 | Zootfizzle | cries alone, cookieless |
| 16:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'll bake cookies tomorrow Zoot, but I'm all out of pep today. |
| 16:35.18 | Seerah | mmmm cookies |
| 16:35.32 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: so you're a lopy then? |
| 16:35.39 | Lopeppeppy | I really want cookies, I really have no energy. |
| 16:35.44 | Lopeppeppy | Loopy maybe, Ackis. |
| 16:36.00 | AckisWork | that's not just today, that's everyday |
| 16:36.12 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, frog prince. :P |
| 16:36.20 | AckisWork | nah I has a cookie |
| 16:36.49 | Lunessa | uploads cookies for everyone. |
| 16:37.11 | Lunessa | sadly, they're tracking cookies for adrevolver. |
| 16:37.21 | AckisWork | lua> string.gsub("Lopeppeppy","pep","") |
| 16:37.21 | lua_bot | AckisWork: Lopy, 2 |
| 16:37.26 | AckisWork | yup you're Lopy |
| 16:37.32 | AckisWork | if you're all out of pep |
| 16:37.33 | AckisWork | that is |
| 16:38.26 | AckisWork | wow I just abused lua_bot to make a bad joke |
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| 16:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | Poor lua_bot. |
| 16:43.08 | geargrind | 25C is room temp? |
| 16:43.18 | AckisWork | that seems warm |
| 16:43.20 | AckisWork | 22-23C |
| 16:45.31 | cbreak | I like 19°C |
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| 16:58.47 | Lunessa | sighs. We're taking everything offline all at once... my phone is going to ring off the hook all day. |
| 17:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeew. |
| 17:00.51 | foxlit | calls Lunessa. "Quit breaking my stuff!" |
| 17:01.04 | Lunessa | breaks OPie |
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| 17:08.52 | Wobin | hm |
| 17:08.52 | Wobin | http://bumptop.com/ |
| 17:08.58 | Wobin | I'm giving it a go... |
| 17:09.26 | Wobin | I wonder how well it deals with dual monitors |
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| 17:19.35 | Wobin | hm, I dunno if I like it |
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| 17:25.29 | NightHawkTheSane | this is rather hilarious, http://rss.dailykos.com/~r/dailykos/index/~3/U2MGx0gj0_o/-AP-ups-stupidity-quotient-another-16,000-notches |
| 17:25.58 | mikma | not as hilarious as your fffface |
| 17:26.05 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that is true. |
| 17:26.21 | End | NHTS's fffface is exceptionally hilarious |
| 17:26.57 | mikma | i have a fffface-pppphase going on today |
| 17:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | can't find AbsoRayne. Foo. |
| 17:28.56 | Fisker- | failbook is blocking TPB |
| 17:28.58 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 17:29.07 | Lopeppeppy | TPB? |
| 17:29.12 | Fisker- | thepiratebay |
| 17:29.13 | End | yarr |
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| 17:33.49 | Fisker- | yarrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 17:45.13 | Fisker- | a buff in naxx that lasts 7 weeks |
| 17:45.15 | Fisker- | 7 days* |
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| 17:46.49 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 17:47.07 | Shirik | how to tell your data structures might be too complex: |
| 17:47.13 | Shirik | Your code starts looking like this: print("<KRT> Notice: " .. lootRequests[x].offspec[choice].name .. " won " .. lootDistributionFrame.lootStrings[x]:GetText() .. " by roll-off"); |
| 17:47.20 | Lopeppeppy | They need maps to find themselves? |
| 17:48.21 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:50.06 | Shirik | um |
| 17:50.09 | Shirik | are the forums broken? |
| 17:50.13 | Shirik | the wow forums that is |
| 17:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | Weren't for me an hour or so ago. |
| 17:50.31 | Shirik | I tried to log in to post something |
| 17:50.32 | Seerah | I was just there 1 min ago |
| 17:50.36 | Shirik | and I got taken to a character select screen |
| 17:50.42 | Seerah | but was already logged in from this morning |
| 17:50.45 | Shirik | and it has all my characters grayed out and marked with *The characters on this account are unavailable, as the account has expired or is prohibited from posting |
| 17:50.47 | Lopeppeppy | The forum character select screen? |
| 17:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that sucks it. |
| 17:51.02 | VonhintenHOME` | lawl, banned |
| 17:51.03 | Lopeppeppy | Check your account, see if payment is due? |
| 17:51.09 | Shirik | I seriously doubt I can be banned as I've posted one thing, like, ever, in the last 2 months |
| 17:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | Check your associated email anyway, just in case. |
| 17:51.18 | Shirik | and all that was is a recruitment post |
| 17:51.23 | VonhintenHOME` | That's why you're banned... refusal to troll |
| 17:51.43 | End | Shirik: l2fisker |
| 17:51.54 | Seerah | VonhintenHOME`: /eyeroll |
| 17:52.23 | Shirik | hummm |
| 17:52.24 | Shirik | interesting |
| 17:52.29 | Shirik | maybe I found a bug in their forum software |
| 17:52.32 | Shirik | I wonder if I can log into WoW |
| 17:53.22 | Shirik | bah |
| 17:53.24 | Shirik | can't connect from here |
| 17:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, there are many bugs in the forums right now. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864299824&postId=158627429564&sid=1#0 |
| 17:53.35 | Shirik | anyway, my account page says it's active, however, my account payment is due today |
| 17:53.49 | Shirik | but it's automatic recurring |
| 17:53.51 | Fisker- | that's old news |
| 17:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | Might be something in that crossover, Shirik. |
| 17:53.58 | Fisker- | been like that forever |
| 17:54.20 | Shirik | ah well that's full of fail |
| 17:54.30 | Shirik | so I have to wait until tommorrow to post? |
| 17:54.37 | Seerah | possibly, yes |
| 17:54.40 | Shirik | Someone was mean to me in forums I must counter-troll! |
| 17:54.46 | Seerah | we'll get them :) |
| 17:55.00 | Shirik | nah it's not important :P |
| 17:55.12 | Shirik | It's intra-guild... playful bickering |
| 17:55.19 | Seerah | hehe |
| 17:55.53 | Shirik | I posted a recruitment message with "Please be willing to accept constructive criticism. People that think they know everything and are unwilling to change will not be tolerated." |
| 17:56.09 | Seerah | you asked for it :P |
| 17:56.27 | Shirik | response from guild member was "... thinks he knows everything and is unwilling to change from bad to gud. I wish I knew how to quit you." |
| 17:56.44 | Shirik | I should point out this is the same person I told, when trying to leave my 3v3 team, the command was /gquit 3v3 |
| 17:56.56 | Seerah | lol |
| 17:57.11 | Shirik | which is what my response was going to be |
| 17:57.14 | Shirik | just /gquit 3v3 |
| 17:57.23 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 17:57.50 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:59.20 | mikma | hehe |
| 17:59.31 | DWSR | Can anyone recommend an unlimited ignore list addon? |
| 17:59.54 | mikma | IgnoreMore |
| 17:59.59 | Shirik | soooooo |
| 18:00.05 | Shirik | who wants to be awesome and bump my recruitment post >.> |
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| 18:01.27 | mikma | shirik: me me pick me |
| 18:01.36 | Shirik | do you even have a US account? |
| 18:01.50 | mikma | of course not, i was hoping you would give me yours |
| 18:01.59 | Seerah | he can't log in :P |
| 18:02.03 | Shirik | You know I would |
| 18:02.08 | Shirik | BUT IT DOESN'T WORK ANYWAY |
| 18:02.08 | Seerah | lrn2followconversations |
| 18:02.25 | Lunessa | Shirik: Why would I bump YOURS when I need more attention to MINE? |
| 18:02.29 | Seerah | link the thread, and you might get like 10 bumps ;) |
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| 18:03.15 | Shirik | Lunessa: I would offer to let you recruit me |
| 18:03.17 | Shirik | but I got kickeded |
| 18:03.31 | Shirik | I gotta go to class or I'll be late I'll be back |
| 18:03.35 | Shirik | stupid traffic at 2 PM |
| 18:03.47 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137705547&sid=1 |
| 18:04.28 | Fisker- | can i join your guild Lunessa ? |
| 18:04.51 | Lunessa | I think you would fall afoul of mu "Don't be a jerk" rule. :P |
| 18:04.54 | mikma | http://apina.biz/15235.png |
| 18:05.02 | Fisker- | :( |
| 18:07.16 | Lunessa | And aren't you EU only Fisker- ? |
| 18:08.17 | Fisker- | EU only? |
| 18:08.23 | Fisker- | I didn't know i was banned on US :O |
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| 18:09.42 | Lunessa | I meant, do you even have a US account? |
| 18:11.30 | zenzelezz | "Will Wright Leaves EA/Maxis For Stupid Fun Club" <-- somehow I read this as "for stupid fan club" |
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| 18:14.25 | Fisker- | naw Lunessa |
| 18:15.16 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I could reply-bump in support, Lunessa! |
| 18:18.00 | Lunessa | WTB: Shorter rest on VoA. |
| 18:18.13 | Lunessa | rest/reset |
| 18:21.46 | foxlit | teehee, gryphon ping-pong |
| 18:22.09 | foxlit | Someone at star's rest wants me to take gryphon to wintergarde, someone at wintergarde wants me to take a gryphon to star's rest. |
| 18:23.43 | Dagmar | So enjoy your flights. |
| 18:23.57 | Dagmar | Breadcrumb XP is mostly overrated anyway |
| 18:30.53 | Lunessa | bah - http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId - doesn't include arenaN and I can't remember my login. |
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| 18:38.37 | Shirik | Shadowed |
| 18:38.39 | Shirik | why do you fail so much |
| 18:39.40 | Zootfizzle | Probably light bulbs. |
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| 18:48.18 | Duman | bleh |
| 18:48.22 | Duman | damn fiber cuts |
| 18:48.45 | Duman | big AT&T fiber cut here in the south SF bay area |
| 18:48.56 | Duman | looks like vandalism, and not accidental |
| 18:49.16 | Duman | landline (and 911 service), cell service, and internet is out of lots of people |
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| 18:51.06 | NightHawkTheSane | quick question for apache-savvy people here, is there some configuration option that will automatically turn a url like "http://foo.com/user/add" into "http://foo.com/user.html/add" if "user.html" exists in the root web dir? |
| 18:51.54 | Gnarfoz | mod_rewrite makes nearly anything possible. :p |
| 18:52.02 | NightHawkTheSane | NOT mod_rewrite |
| 18:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | this is happening (as far as i can tell) before mod_rewrite |
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| 18:52.30 | Duman | some reason you just don't call the file "user" rather than "user.html" ? |
| 18:52.34 | Gnarfoz | sounds like it's not your installation at all? |
| 18:52.39 | Gnarfoz | so how can you exclude mod_rewrite? :p |
| 18:53.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: eh? |
| 18:54.04 | Gnarfoz | it seems you're not asking how to set something up, rather than trying to analyze an existing setup |
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| 18:54.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 18:54.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm reading my rewrite logs |
| 18:55.20 | NightHawkTheSane | and the url i access is .../user/add, but the rewrite logs are operating on .../user.html/add, so somehow, that 'user' bit is being turned into 'user.html'. There IS a user.html file which is why I presumed apache was doing that. |
| 18:56.24 | Duman | is there a RedirectMatch line? :) |
| 18:56.35 | NightHawkTheSane | in my rewrite rules? no. |
| 18:56.48 | Gnarfoz | in that dir's .htaccess? |
| 18:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | same difference :p but no |
| 18:57.33 | Duman | grep for the beginning part of the URI path in the conf file *shrug* |
| 18:57.38 | Duman | see if there is somethign oyu missed? |
| 19:03.40 | Adys | gmail down? |
| 19:03.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Ah, found the problem. Apache's Multiviews options is what's doing that rewriting. Which is actually the question i asked in the first place. :P |
| 19:03.41 | zenzelezz | multiviews? |
| 19:03.41 | zenzelezz | what does that do? |
| 19:03.44 | NightHawkTheSane | It tries to turn a request for "/some/path/foo/bar" into a path to an ACTUAL existing file. |
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| 19:03.58 | NightHawkTheSane | so you could do foo.com/bar, and if bar.html exists in your root web dir, apache will serve that up. |
| 19:04.03 | NightHawkTheSane | or (bar.php, etc) |
| 19:04.46 | Shadowed | Shirik what did I do |
| 19:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | this happens BEFORE mod_rewrite starts working, and it starts operating on the new URI, which completely borks up any reasonably complex set of rewrite rules |
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| 19:05.47 | Shadowed | I sent you the right link and category, so you must have failed |
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| 19:09.36 | Lopeppeppy | 79.5 .... |
| 19:09.50 | Shadowed | ~lart Shirik |
| 19:09.50 | purl | resizes Shirik's terminal to 40x24 |
| 19:09.58 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: what's that? |
| 19:10.13 | Shadowed | 50% from 80 |
| 19:11.37 | zenzelezz | oh, level |
| 19:16.11 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
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| 19:24.13 | zenzelezz | I never understand how my cat can sit immobile, staring out the window for 30+ minutes |
| 19:24.47 | haste | I never understood some of the cats can sleep in |
| 19:25.07 | haste | like with it's head twisted 90 degrees, and into some furniture |
| 19:25.18 | Lopeppeppy | My cat just sits and listens to birds for hours. And she sleeps as pretzel-ish as you describe. :) |
| 19:25.21 | zenzelezz | hehe, yeah |
| 19:25.40 | haste | they also sit under the chairs for hours :p |
| 19:25.42 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: why does she listen for birds, she lives with one |
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| 19:28.50 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 19:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | Meanie |
| 19:43.23 | Shirik | Shadowed |
| 19:43.26 | Shirik | you keep sending me PMs |
| 19:43.33 | Shirik | is it that hard to upload your stuff to the right folder? :P |
| 19:43.34 | Shadowed | to be fair |
| 19:43.41 | Shadowed | it got auto set to oudated |
| 19:43.46 | Shadowed | I've bugged Cair for the last like year :P |
| 19:43.50 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 19:44.15 | Shadowed | maybe if we could change our categories without needing a mod I wouldn't have to! |
| 19:44.35 | Shirik | I doubt that will ever be implemented :) |
| 19:44.46 | Shadowed | make me a mod clearly, tek is one so the standards can't be that high |
| 19:44.57 | Shirik | tek isn't one :/ |
| 19:45.01 | Shadowed | oh I thought he was |
| 19:45.05 | tekkub | I have standards? |
| 19:45.20 | Shadowed | so he isn't |
| 19:46.40 | Shadowed | but don't worry, the only mod I'll need changed is Afflicted3 deleted once 3.1 is out, and thats it for a while :P |
| 19:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | For a while. |
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| 19:53.37 | haste | I'm on your site, deleting add-ons... for a while |
| 19:54.30 | Aelobin | http://www.omgbigguild.com/gamon.jpg /flex |
| 19:55.12 | zenzelezz | and most guilds are still stuck at Hogger, grats |
| 19:55.18 | Aelobin | :> |
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| 19:56.52 | Fisker- | waits for eu account merges |
| 19:56.58 | Fisker- | i hate you haste |
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| 19:57.15 | pnorman | Anyone have an example of using AceConfig-3.0 with a multiselect? |
| 19:57.32 | ScytheBlade1 | #wowace |
| 19:58.28 | Shadowed | {type = "multiselect", name = "foo", desc = "bar", order = 0, values = {["apple"] = "Apple", ["orange"] = "Orange"}} |
| 19:58.31 | Shadowed | if I recall from memory |
| 19:59.25 | pnorman | likely my key=value table messed up |
| 20:01.23 | Lopeppeppy | is cold. Send more suns, kk? |
| 20:01.48 | zenzelezz | embraces Lopeppeppy instead |
| 20:01.57 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks. |
| 20:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It's ~45F and rainy here |
| 20:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Totally awesome |
| 20:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | Awesome is cold wet nasty? |
| 20:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Not pouring rain |
| 20:03.38 | Shadowed | it needs to rain here more |
| 20:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Enough that everything is wet but you'd have to stand outside for a good 30m before it mattered |
| 20:03.51 | Shadowed | the bay is disappointing me, should be raining 24/7 |
| 20:04.32 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, I usually think of that as more mist than rain. |
| 20:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | shrugs |
| 20:05.55 | Lopeppeppy | Like London on a hateful day. :) |
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| 20:09.06 | Fisker- | hey haste |
| 20:09.12 | Fisker- | wanna be 30% better to me in 3.1? |
| 20:09.13 | haste | hey Fisker- |
| 20:09.23 | haste | I'm playing a priest again :D |
| 20:09.28 | Fisker- | :O |
| 20:09.29 | Fisker- | otravi? |
| 20:09.36 | haste | Yaranaika! |
| 20:09.40 | haste | on GB |
| 20:09.43 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 20:10.46 | haste | It's horde! |
| 20:11.17 | Fisker- | play on ravencrest |
| 20:11.18 | Fisker- | or i hate you |
| 20:11.29 | haste | noes |
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| 20:23.51 | Fisker- | raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage |
| 20:24.40 | zenzelezz | rodent rage? |
| 20:26.05 | Zyndrome | reitch |
| 20:29.53 | Tem | fuckin woot |
| 20:29.59 | Fisker- | pissed off the masterlooter :D |
| 20:30.00 | Gnarfoz | woot, fuckin? |
| 20:30.01 | Tem | project due date extention |
| 20:30.08 | Fisker- | Told us to not loot the chest @ 4 horseman |
| 20:30.10 | Fisker- | so i just looted it |
| 20:30.11 | Tem | gave us another week |
| 20:30.18 | Fisker- | "Hey you know we can see who looted the chest right?" |
| 20:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, Tem. |
| 20:30.30 | Tem | I _needed_ that week |
| 20:30.38 | Tem | I've barely begun |
| 20:30.41 | Tem | and it's due tomorrow |
| 20:30.43 | Tem | well |
| 20:30.45 | Tem | it was due tomorrow |
| 20:30.47 | Tem | :) |
| 20:30.47 | Fisker- | Me: "No you can see who didn't want to waste an unnessecary amount of time for loot" |
| 20:30.48 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 20:31.30 | Gnarfoz | except of course you're making the other 9/24 people wait until you're done, etc |
| 20:31.33 | Gnarfoz | :p |
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| 20:32.29 | Zyndrome | once, my GM (who was ML) just ignored looting anything from it and moving in, cause people looted before him |
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| 20:33.02 | Gnarfoz | chests *are* fucking annoying if ML is on |
| 20:33.03 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 20:33.15 | Zyndrome | moving on* |
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| 20:33.57 | pnorman | the right way to handle chests right now is to go in, link loot, get out of the chest and do loot while people are getting badges, then distribute the loot |
| 20:34.42 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised they still do chest loot |
| 20:35.00 | Fisker- | Yep pnorman |
| 20:35.03 | Fisker- | that was my point |
| 20:35.16 | Fisker- | Me blocking 24 people or the masterlooter blocking 24 people is irrelevant |
| 20:35.16 | Shirik | destroys Fisker- |
| 20:35.28 | Fisker- | just loot, link loot, let others loot, distribute loot while others loot, chest is freed up |
| 20:35.30 | Fisker- | no problem |
| 20:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's because those looting messages push the loot being linked off people's screens, and then they whine. |
| 20:36.00 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 20:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Shirik. |
| 20:36.23 | Fisker- | makes love to Shirik |
| 20:36.26 | Gnarfoz | those can a) be turned off, b) you link each item before distributing it, anyway :X |
| 20:37.09 | Gnarfoz | anyway, yay for 3.1 ^^ |
| 20:37.11 | Gnarfoz | badges for everyone! |
| 20:37.12 | Fisker- | but atleast in 3.1 the ML can just loot |
| 20:37.17 | Fisker- | since he can take care of our emblems |
| 20:37.45 | foxlit | or they could, you know, fix chests. |
| 20:38.02 | foxlit | There's no reason they shouldn't just act like corpses. |
| 20:38.18 | zenzelezz | now now foxlit, it's not like they've known about this since Majordomo or before that |
| 20:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | Srsly. |
| 20:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 20:40.39 | zenzelezz | the best part about chests is "WHO HASN'T PASSED?" "think <someone> DCd" |
| 20:40.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god. |
| 20:41.21 | nevcairiel | especially because they increased the loot timer some time |
| 20:41.38 | Gnarfoz | luckily, that's only a problem with rolling |
| 20:41.38 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 20:42.31 | nevcairiel | my guild always used group-loot in instances, everyone just passes on the stuff |
| 20:42.41 | geargrind | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X88Yi4EBTNQ |
| 20:45.17 | Shirik | Fisker- |
| 20:45.22 | Shirik | do not interrupt while Lopeppeppy and I are having fun times |
| 20:45.27 | Shirik | ty |
| 20:46.30 | Dagmar | I'm happier about the token looting change |
| 20:46.35 | Shirik | ok guys, time for some UI usability discussion |
| 20:46.43 | Dagmar | I don't think my guild ever did a Kara run where someone didn't forget to pick up half their badges |
| 20:46.49 | Shirik | Let us say you are distributing a loot item, and you have to choose a name for who to distribute to |
| 20:47.15 | Shirik | I had a dropdown with names, but this gets really bad in the (albeit extremely rare) case where everyone has the same priority on the item |
| 20:47.52 | Shirik | So I was thinking about doing a two-level dropdown, and maybe doing splitting like A-E, F-K, etc. |
| 20:47.55 | Dagmar | You could always populate a grid |
| 20:48.05 | Shirik | a grid? |
| 20:48.05 | nevcairiel | i prefered class groups |
| 20:48.08 | nevcairiel | rather then silly name splits |
| 20:48.16 | Shirik | Classes is a good idea |
| 20:48.18 | Shirik | I can't stand raid groups |
| 20:48.25 | Shirik | which is what the default UI does |
| 20:48.39 | Dagmar | Five rows of eight buttons, with everyone's names on fhtem |
| 20:48.53 | pnorman | 3Shirik, the case of everyone having the same priority isn't that rare, you get that with most systems on the first raid |
| 20:48.57 | Shirik | cannot have multiple rows |
| 20:48.59 | Shirik | you have one row to work with |
| 20:49.05 | Dagmar | People with anything other than [a-zA-Z] in their names tho get no button. |
| 20:49.07 | Shirik | (which is why I was using a dropdown) |
| 20:49.27 | Shirik | pnorman: Not in our guild's system, which is all I care about |
| 20:49.32 | Shirik | this is a guild-specific addon |
| 20:49.34 | Lopeppeppy | Personally, I prefer an alphabetical drop down list. |
| 20:49.52 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, right now it's a DKP-sorted dropdown if everyone has the same priority, but again, that list gets huge |
| 20:49.57 | Shirik | almost as large as my screen, actually |
| 20:50.12 | Lopeppeppy | Can you not just populate your drop down from raid members, must it be for everyone? |
| 20:50.12 | pnorman | How do you generate your priorities? |
| 20:50.20 | Shirik | that is an extremely complicated question |
| 20:50.34 | Lopeppeppy | :) Which question? |
| 20:50.37 | Shirik | pnorman's |
| 20:50.59 | pnorman | how do you generate the priorites before your very first raid? |
| 20:51.47 | Lopeppeppy | Some priorities are inherent in the group. Perhaps it's a system where officers get dibs. Or tanks and healers get dibs. Etc. |
| 20:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | There's always a priority. :) |
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| 20:53.51 | Shirik | pnorman: There is no more very first raid |
| 20:53.57 | Shirik | I don't have to worry about that |
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| 20:54.16 | Shirik | the first raid only happens once, by definition, and since that has already happened, it's not something I have to care about anymore |
| 20:54.32 | Dagmar | looks up at the shadow of Ulduar approaching. |
| 20:55.04 | Shirik | we are not considering Ulduar a "separate raid" |
| 20:55.11 | Shirik | it follows identical loot rules |
| 20:55.15 | Shirik | just more people will want items |
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| 20:58.13 | haleys | Anyone know the max length of a wow character name? |
| 20:58.40 | DWSR | 16 characters, I think |
| 20:58.51 | Shirik | Ok seriously, how does a wasp come out of nowhere |
| 20:59.07 | haleys | roger, thanks |
| 20:59.09 | Shirik | I've been planning to kill this one nest I've been watching a wasp build |
| 20:59.15 | Shirik | and today I look at it |
| 20:59.18 | DWSR | haleys: It's 12 characters. |
| 20:59.20 | Shirik | and all of a sudden there's 2 of them |
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| 21:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | It didn't come out of nowhere, it's likely been there all along. |
| 21:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | You just only ever saw one at a time before. |
| 21:02.30 | Lopeppeppy | Please, please, go kill them. They are my one serious true phobia. |
| 21:02.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: when a mommy bee and a daddy bee love each other very much... |
| 21:02.55 | Shirik | ok ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | s/bee/wasp/ |
| 21:03.00 | Shirik | I would agree with that |
| 21:03.04 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 21:03.05 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: /g |
| 21:03.05 | Shirik | except there WAS ONLY ONE |
| 21:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | points at what she said. |
| 21:03.28 | Shirik | Even at night, though, Lopeppeppy |
| 21:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: meh |
| 21:03.36 | Shirik | there were only 1 |
| 21:03.37 | Moleculor | Where can I look online to learn how to modify the current Warcraft Blizzard UI? Similar, for example, to the way that Outfitter will display checkboxes on gear in your paperdoll? (I have the World 'o Warcrack Programming book, so if it's in that, maybe I'm missing it?) |
| 21:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: u r blind lol =] |
| 21:03.44 | Shirik | Anyway, Lopeppeppy, I'm with you on that |
| 21:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Moleculor: sec as I grab my copy |
| 21:04.03 | Shirik | I'm truly (unnecessisarily) afraid of only 2 things |
| 21:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... oh |
| 21:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | ~pil |
| 21:04.09 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 21:04.10 | Shirik | bees/wasps and lightning |
| 21:04.21 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, are we twins and don't know it? |
| 21:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Moleculor: a CheckBox is a type of frame. Likely all that Outfitter is doing, is attaching additional frames to the relevant spot on the paperdoll. |
| 21:04.57 | Moleculor | Right, but how do I learn how to do that to already created frames, created by Blizzard provided code/XML? |
| 21:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't - you make your own and layer them on top |
| 21:05.30 | geargrind | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHXj3qgFs_k |
| 21:05.32 | Moleculor | Uuhhhoooo. |
| 21:05.46 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, you can be my twin if you want ^_^ |
| 21:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: Lopeppeppy: that idea frightens me |
| 21:06.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:06.15 | Shirik | Yeah, she's not good enough at SC to be my twin actually |
| 21:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ... err |
| 21:06.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I was thinking the other way around |
| 21:06.32 | DWSR | uh oh |
| 21:06.33 | DWSR | Here we go |
| 21:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely, it's more of an insult towards her than you ;) |
| 21:06.49 | Shirik | :< |
| 21:07.03 | Shirik | I think I scared Lopeppeppy away |
| 21:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Or she's busy laughing |
| 21:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Or being ambused by sheeple |
| 21:08.37 | DWSR | or both |
| 21:08.59 | Lopeppeppy | I nearly whooped your behind, mister, so hush. |
| 21:09.11 | Lopeppeppy | No sheeple, ScytheBlade1, I'm taking a few days off for mental health. |
| 21:09.13 | Shirik | says nothing |
| 21:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: no such thing (as mental health) |
| 21:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: back to work with ye! |
| 21:09.29 | Shirik | if I were tekkub that would have been a lot worse of something to say |
| 21:09.42 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, there is a such a thing as lack of mental health, and trust me... no work for me. |
| 21:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 21:10.11 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:10.26 | tekkub | I what the who now? |
| 21:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | tekkub: want Shirik's body |
| 21:10.43 | Shirik | huh? |
| 21:10.46 | Shirik | I was just saying |
| 21:10.48 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: :D |
| 21:10.48 | tekkub | to have more hair |
| 21:10.51 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy was talking about whooping my behind |
| 21:10.57 | Shirik | if I were you, there would have been a response to that |
| 21:11.09 | tekkub | there would have? |
| 21:11.16 | tekkub | I never got spanking |
| 21:11.19 | Lopeppeppy | Mrph. No teasing Peppy, I haven't the brain cycles to compete. |
| 21:11.24 | tekkub | the one guy that tried I paughed at |
| 21:11.25 | Lopeppeppy | Never asked for one either. |
| 21:11.33 | tekkub | *laughed |
| 21:12.05 | Shirik | lurves Lopeppeppy |
| 21:12.28 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Shirik. I'll be rested up by Monday, have no fear. |
| 21:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Moleculor: chapters 10 through 12 should help you immensely |
| 21:14.15 | Lunessa | slathers the love on Lopeppeppy |
| 21:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | Is that good for the skin, lunessa? |
| 21:16.12 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway, I need to go do Stuff (tm) now. Ta, everyone! |
| 21:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy |
| 21:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Feel better |
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| 21:20.34 | Moleculor | Thanks Scythe. |
| 21:22.06 | Moleculor | Ok, new newbie question. I'm attempting to poke around with addon development by starting out on the PTR. Obviously with the patch so close, it makes sense to develop for 3.1 rather than 3.0. I've grabbed EditingUI from http://www.wowprogramming.com/utils (amongst a couple other addons in there), but EditingUI seems to be throwing up an error already. Should I worry, or ignore it? |
| 21:23.48 | geargrind | the editing ui was made by blizzard and afaik they haven't updated it for 3.0, let alone 3.1. |
| 21:24.29 | Moleculor | I'm not even sure what it's supposed to do, so I suppose I can ignore it for now? |
| 21:24.29 | Iriel | Someone in channel was talking about having updated editing UI themselves, though I'm not sure you really need to use it for most development work -- I've certainly never had need of it. |
| 21:24.37 | Iriel | Yes, you can safely ignore it |
| 21:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Moleculor: ignore the editing UI for now, it won't help you much |
| 21:27.00 | Shirik | ok so nevcairiel recommended by-class |
| 21:27.15 | Shirik | any other recommendations on how to break up a dropdown menu of all players for loot? |
| 21:27.27 | Moleculor | Awesomeness. |
| 21:28.06 | Moleculor | (Fight activity? Male/female? Alphabetically?) |
| 21:29.08 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:29.14 | Gnarfoz | group, obviously |
| 21:29.18 | Vangual | define specs for roles and do some talentquery magic |
| 21:29.47 | Vangual | tho there'd be many pitfalls in reality prolly |
| 21:29.49 | Moleculor | Armor type. Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate, Crystal. |
| 21:30.02 | Lunessa | Iriel: That was me, and I gave up about half-way through |
| 21:30.31 | Taroven | Quick question regarding combo points... I realize that listening for UNIT_COMBO_POINTS and PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED is better performance-wise, but if I'm simply setting a fontstring and its color per CP, would attaching it to a throttled OnUpdate really be much of a performance hit? |
| 21:30.57 | Taroven | (Definitely makes the addon easier to code) |
| 21:31.27 | Iriel | I would take issue with your final assertion |
| 21:31.42 | Iriel | if you've created an "Update my display" function, whether you call it from OnEvent or OnUpdate shouldn't matter at all |
| 21:32.09 | Taroven | I have. And yeah, I know, trying to be lazy. =P |
| 21:32.16 | Iriel | and since MOST of the time combo points aren't changing, there really would be a significant difference in wasted time (unless the throttling was low enough that you had more of a latency issue) |
| 21:32.32 | Adys | I think I mentioned |
| 21:32.35 | Adys | Django is AMAZING |
| 21:32.38 | Taroven | Alright. Thanks Iriel. |
| 21:33.00 | Adys | but holy hell, django devs are a bunch of scoop-assed hypocrites >< |
| 21:33.21 | Moleculor | DevTools' event tracker. I'm toying around with it... clicking on events highlights said event and gives me info. That's great. It also stops the scrolling which I'm sure is also great... except when you want it to start scrolling again. How do I deselect something in the event tracker so it'll start scrolling automatically again? |
| 21:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Press escape |
| 21:34.03 | Iriel | What ScytheBlade1 said 8-) |
| 21:34.04 | Moleculor | Ooooooooooo...! |
| 21:34.18 | Moleculor | Button! |
| 21:34.27 | Iriel | Add one and send me the patch 8-) |
| 21:34.31 | Iriel | See how easy that was? |
| 21:34.34 | Iriel | grins. |
| 21:34.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 21:34.39 | haleys | Is there a way to order an xml feed by a certain attribute with php or do you have to put the xml to a database first then do an order by? |
| 21:35.01 | haleys | whoops, wrong chan |
| 21:39.06 | Moleculor | If UPDATE_WORLD_STATES "Fires from within a battlefield when a score changing event occures," then why is it firing constantly in Storm Peaks? |
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| 21:39.51 | Lunessa | Perhaps it also fires in relation to phasing? |
| 21:40.14 | Moleculor | So it'd fire any time any character anywhere changes phases? |
| 21:40.18 | Moleculor | o.o |
| 21:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe |
| 21:40.35 | Aezay | Couldn't it be related to Wintergrasp, and the wintergrasp buff? |
| 21:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that the VAST majority of what we know about the UI is undocumented and hence reverse engineered |
| 21:40.50 | Aezay | I know in dalaran UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED_QUIET fires often due to that |
| 21:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Some of it may be inaccurate or not fully documented |
| 21:42.09 | Iriel | And even documentation which is accurate can become inaccurate over time |
| 21:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | HUGE emphasis on what Iriel just said, too. |
| 21:42.42 | Moleculor | It IS Wintergrasp. The timer on the map updates every 5 seconds, the events spam in groups of 12 every five seconds. No idea why 12, but yeah, it's probably Wintergrasp. |
| 21:43.07 | Moleculor | And the events are matched by an equal number of WORLD_MAP_UPDATE events. |
| 21:43.30 | Iriel | You should post about it on the UI forum, someone may notice it and try and fix it |
| 21:43.48 | Moleculor | There's so many forums. Which one? :D |
| 21:43.56 | Iriel | The UI and Macros forum, there's onlyone of those |
| 21:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | forums.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:44.14 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 21:44.17 | Moleculor | Ooh. The WoW site's one. |
| 21:44.24 | Aezay | That reminds of about UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED firing several times when you abort a cast |
| 21:44.35 | Iriel | The spell events are a nightmare |
| 21:44.52 | Iriel | but sometimes it's SUPPOSED to fire several times (maybe you have multiple unit identities) |
| 21:45.28 | Aezay | well, they are better than they used to, I seem to remember UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP firing for instant casts |
| 21:45.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It fires for a lot of stuff. |
| 21:45.59 | Iriel | They're a lot better post 3.0 than they used to be |
| 21:48.09 | Cairenn | ZorbaTHut: ping? |
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| 22:08.32 | Lunessa | pingity ping, ping. |
| 22:08.46 | NightHawkTheSane | pong? |
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| 22:09.35 | AckisWork | eh... who/what is lady gaga? |
| 22:09.52 | theorbtwo | AckisWork: Singer. |
| 22:10.18 | AckisWork | meh kids these days |
| 22:10.37 | theorbtwo | AckisWork: I had a random thought the other day, BTW -- how hard would it be to make your recipie scanner work for class spells? |
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| 22:10.50 | theorbtwo | (In the widest sense of spells, things that go in your spellbook.) |
| 22:11.13 | AckisWork | double, not sure the point though |
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| 22:12.07 | AckisWork | doable |
| 22:12.08 | AckisWork | gah |
| 22:12.09 | AckisWork | dur |
| 22:12.17 | AckisWork | 18 more mminnnusttetestststeststs |
| 22:12.23 | ZorbaTHut | cairenn, yo |
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| 22:12.54 | theorbtwo | AckisWork: Er, um, so I know when it's worth the effort to trudge over to a class trainer? |
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| 22:13.34 | AckisWork | eh I suppose |
| 22:14.07 | theorbtwo | It seems like a pretty straightforward completeness thing. |
| 22:14.16 | Cairenn | ZorbaTHut: PMs |
| 22:14.30 | theorbtwo | 18 minutes until what? |
| 22:14.53 | AckisWork | til i'm off work |
| 22:15.12 | theorbtwo | Fair enough. |
| 22:15.17 | Moleculor | Which is easier, frames with XML or frames without? I don't know lua or XML yet (though I've worked with another event based scripting language, and with HTML, so I think I might be able to pick up both?) |
| 22:15.28 | Iriel | It depends what kind of frames you're doing |
| 22:15.48 | Moleculor | ... There's a difference? |
| 22:15.49 | Iriel | If you have complex and artsy layouts that are largely static, XML is a good choice |
| 22:16.04 | Iriel | If you've got very dynamic layouts, or youdont like XML, then lua is a good choice |
| 22:16.19 | Iriel | Sometimes a mix is appropriate (XML templates + lua to create the real instances) |
| 22:16.46 | Moleculor | Unf. |
| 22:16.56 | Moleculor | Ok, which is easier to learn? :D |
| 22:17.04 | Fisker- | AckisWork |
| 22:17.06 | Fisker- | i'll destroy you |
| 22:17.40 | Lunessa | I personally like XML frames. They're easy to validate and the structure makes spotting errors very easy. And there's even an error log in wow for them. :) |
| 22:17.53 | Lunessa | But I'm in the minority here on that. |
| 22:18.02 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* but it's a valid view point |
| 22:18.27 | NightHawkTheSane | if i was more familiar with the XSD i'd probably be more comfortable with XML |
| 22:18.29 | foxlit | What's easier, physics or mathematics? |
| 22:18.37 | Moleculor | Physics is math. |
| 22:19.01 | foxlit | But math is not physics. |
| 22:19.54 | AckisWork | Fisker-: no u |
| 22:20.39 | Lunessa | Physics without Math is like Love without Sex - frustrating and difficult. Math without Physics is like Sex without Love - Still feels good, but you can't help but feel that /something/ is missing. |
| 22:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, love is a matter of chemistry, sex is a matter of physics. :P |
| 22:21.53 | AckisWork | hey Fisker- you suck!!!!!! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH kekek :P |
| 22:22.12 | foxlit | surely biology has a greater claim to either of those |
| 22:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | biology can suck it. |
| 22:22.33 | Iriel | biology is just applied chemistry and physics |
| 22:22.51 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPtMHSYtPc4 |
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| 22:23.28 | Fisker- | wtf Ackis :( |
| 22:23.30 | Fisker- | FoxFurry |
| 22:23.42 | Fisker- | foxlit what was that blessing mod? |
| 22:23.45 | Fisker- | or i hate you? |
| 22:24.41 | foxlit | Dunno. Search for Shadowed. |
| 22:24.52 | Shadowed | you never answered what you didn't like about the design foxlit :p |
| 22:25.10 | foxlit | I never saw the question, even. |
| 22:26.04 | Shadowed | well, pretend I'm asking it again then! |
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| 22:27.12 | foxlit | It's too big. |
| 22:27.22 | Shadowed | in what way |
| 22:27.25 | Shadowed | the actual assignment UI? |
| 22:27.29 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:27.30 | foxlit | And, fundamentally, it still reeks of PallyPower. |
| 22:27.36 | Shadowed | again, in what way? :p |
| 22:27.41 | Fisker- | it sucks because it's not zomgbuffs |
| 22:27.42 | foxlit | Wasn't a good design then, isn't a good design now. |
| 22:27.44 | Shadowed | If you have a suggestion on a better assignment UI, I'd love to here it thought |
| 22:27.56 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24895.png http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw5641.png |
| 22:27.59 | Shadowed | that was my last choice for an assignment ui, I still dislike it |
| 22:28.10 | Shadowed | Yes I'm familiar with the look foxlit |
| 22:28.34 | Shadowed | I had other interfaces I was going to use first, but thats by far the smallest one there is |
| 22:28.41 | Shadowed | without making it horribly inituitive |
| 22:28.51 | Shadowed | s/inituitive/intuitive/ |
| 22:29.02 | Shadowed | wrong word still but oh well |
| 22:29.18 | NightHawkTheSane | "unintuitive" is what you want, i think? |
| 22:29.22 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 22:30.00 | Shadowed | You still have to show 10 classes, and at least 3-4 Paladins with around 4 blessings |
| 22:30.15 | foxlit | And the clear choice is to make 10 columns. |
| 22:30.26 | Shadowed | yes actually |
| 22:30.32 | Shadowed | Although, you could maybe compress that a little bit |
| 22:30.37 | Shadowed | by merging say Rogues and Warriors |
| 22:30.39 | Shadowed | hrmm |
| 22:30.45 | Shadowed | actually |
| 22:30.50 | Shadowed | I like that idea |
| 22:30.52 | Nimhfree | do you need to know what each of the others is casting on each class, or do you only care about your blessings? |
| 22:30.57 | pnorman | but rogues and warriors may want different buffs |
| 22:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: ^^ |
| 22:31.05 | foxlit | It's still *fundamentally wrong* |
| 22:31.09 | Shadowed | great |
| 22:31.11 | Shadowed | but |
| 22:31.15 | Shadowed | I don't care about fundamentals, I care about what works |
| 22:31.33 | Shadowed | I hate the assignment interface too, but it's the most efficient way of showing the data |
| 22:31.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Nimhfree: knowing what other paladins are doing is really one of the basic reasons for this style of mod to begin with |
| 22:31.46 | foxlit | Yeah, and therefore, you're doomed to conclude that it's the most efficient way of showing the data |
| 22:31.56 | Shadowed | again |
| 22:31.58 | Shadowed | Give me a suggestion |
| 22:32.15 | Shadowed | You can say it's not the most efficient way, but that doesn't tell me anything |
| 22:32.38 | Shadowed | Warlocks/Mages/Priests could probably be merged at the very least |
| 22:33.15 | foxlit | But then warlocks tell you they want wisdom, and mages decide they want kings. |
| 22:33.26 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, one of them are wrong. :P |
| 22:33.29 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 22:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... any mage who wants kings is pants on head retarded (over wisdom) |
| 22:33.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And in any case, here, have a suggestion |
| 22:33.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Four default "groups" |
| 22:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | that one case is the only one where what's good for one is good for all, reall |
| 22:33.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Healing, tanking, spell DPS, melee DPS |
| 22:33.54 | NightHawkTheSane | really |
| 22:33.59 | Shadowed | even looking at ZOMB, it uses the same display method just with less whitespace |
| 22:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Apply buffs based on that |
| 22:34.07 | foxlit | Cannot see the forest for the trees. |
| 22:34.09 | Shadowed | Problem is, assigning people into the groups |
| 22:34.14 | foxlit | You have FOUR blessings. Make that the columns. |
| 22:34.19 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want exceptions, right-click or something and you can seperate it out |
| 22:34.25 | Moleculor | Too much blank space. |
| 22:34.27 | Shadowed | Okay, and then you have 10 rows? |
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| 22:34.32 | Shadowed | .... |
| 22:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: ? i'm not sure that would be better. |
| 22:34.45 | Shadowed | All you've done is turned too much width into too much height |
| 22:35.00 | Nimhfree | perhaps you have blessings in columns...and then add the classes to the columns |
| 22:35.08 | foxlit | You still keep paladins as rows |
| 22:35.14 | Nimhfree | this could mean up to 10 rows in each column..but not likely |
| 22:35.17 | foxlit | It's just that now you've got slightly more things to place in cells. |
| 22:35.28 | Shadowed | Then you need 10 icons, or you need to let them click an icon multiple times to get what they want ect |
| 22:35.38 | Nimhfree | then add each individual who says "except me I want something different" as an exception that overrides class |
| 22:35.39 | Shadowed | or a dropdown, or a popout menu |
| 22:35.52 | foxlit | Or something as simple as dragging things around. |
| 22:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: you'd actually have to go with names & icons (or class names in lieu of icons) to support single buffs |
| 22:36.21 | Shadowed | NightHawkTheSane: Single buffs it just shows a listing of name with blessing icons, it's a separate UI for that |
| 22:36.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Ahh |
| 22:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I honestly haven't played with it closely. |
| 22:36.47 | Shadowed | Dragging things around is really not that intuitive of a design either |
| 22:37.10 | Shadowed | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24896.png NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:37.31 | foxlit | intuition isn't that much of a big deal to me. It'll take 2 seconds to adjust to whatever it is the chosen behavior is |
| 22:37.31 | NightHawkTheSane | You could use class icons, and have the same faded grid style interface as you have now for blessings? |
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| 22:37.46 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 22:38.30 | Shadowed | Maybe, might have to play with that NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:39.38 | Nimhfree | how about a slider for each class where the location on the slider represents the blessing? |
| 22:39.48 | Shadowed | Sliders are ugly, especially for that |
| 22:39.55 | foxlit | You then need 10 sliders. |
| 22:40.04 | foxlit | Per paladin, that is |
| 22:40.18 | Shadowed | Buttons are pretty much the smalliest way of disabling it |
| 22:40.19 | foxlit | Which is somewhat worse than what PP does at the moment. |
| 22:40.21 | Shadowed | displaying even |
| 22:46.15 | Nimhfree | are you only every worried about a total of 4 blessings = 4 pallys or could there be more pallys for some odd reason? |
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| 22:49.19 | NightHawkTheSane | there could be an arbitrary number of paladins |
| 22:51.15 | Moleculor | 25 man paladin raid. |
| 22:52.15 | Nimhfree | will the UI be flexible enough to only use the classes that are present in the group or do all 10 classes have to be present always? |
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| 22:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, if you go with the buttons UI i mentioned, you probably COULD only show classes that are present in the raid. But I'm not really certain that you gain all that much from it. |
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| 23:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/04/09/fail-fail |
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| 23:07.06 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Camaro Fail is better |
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| 23:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | win.. http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=223862&title=baracknophobia-obey |
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