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| 00:00.53 | yabo | http://lua.pastebin.com/m6bdd4cb4 |
| 00:00.58 | yabo | that should return gratz, right? |
| 00:01.42 | Kirov | xqoSw? |
| 00:01.53 | yabo | sorry |
| 00:02.51 | yabo | http://lua.pastebin.com/m65064b72 |
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| 00:03.33 | Kirov | lua> ("lotsofrandomstuff::#33@@!!gratzblah"):find("gratz") |
| 00:03.34 | lua_bot | Kirov: 27, 31 |
| 00:03.40 | Kirov | lua> ("lotsofrandomstuff::#33@@!!gratzblah"):match("gratz") |
| 00:03.41 | lua_bot | Kirov: gratz |
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| 00:11.23 | airtonix | would it be safe to say that any recipe with a spellId greater than 48000 was released for wotlk? |
| 00:11.32 | airtonix | or is the number a bit lower? |
| 00:12.07 | Kraps | whats totem stomping? |
| 00:12.33 | Jamash | using macros to tell your pet to attack totems |
| 00:13.22 | Kraps | and thats... bad? |
| 00:13.53 | alestane | Cheap, more than bad. |
| 00:14.17 | Jamash | it's very powerful vs shaman is all |
| 00:14.36 | Kraps | blizz no likey |
| 00:14.52 | Mikk | that's not something you need to worry hugely about |
| 00:14.55 | alestane | One button can basically tell your pet to "Go kill all every totem you see, then report back. |
| 00:15.08 | Mikk | unless you're the shaman |
| 00:15.16 | Kraps | heh |
| 00:15.21 | Mikk | if they don't want us to be able to do it, they'll change something |
| 00:15.29 | Mikk | like making totems not targetable via name |
| 00:15.47 | alestane | I thought the idea of prepending shamans' names to their totems was reaasonably good. |
| 00:15.48 | End | imo, they should rethink the way totems work a bit |
| 00:16.02 | Kraps | End: word |
| 00:16.07 | theorb | Or making it impossible to command a pet via lua. |
| 00:16.08 | End | but that's probably much bigger than they want to try to do at this point |
| 00:16.29 | alestane | theorb: You already can't, AFAIK. |
| 00:16.31 | Mikk | alestane: kinda but not really. it'd help with random shaman encounters but you'd still be able to make stompers in arena |
| 00:16.40 | Kraps | i'm having real issuses leveling my shammy |
| 00:16.43 | End | indeed, I believe the lua functions are protected |
| 00:16.55 | Kraps | but thats for another time |
| 00:16.57 | End | there's macro commands, but that's distasteful for other reasons |
| 00:17.17 | End | I put my pet on follow and passive with one key press for example :P |
| 00:19.18 | Kraps | brb chicken nuggets |
| 00:19.26 | alestane | Mikk: It'd make them much more limited, or easy but with less control and automation. |
| 00:22.50 | Adys | Mikk: totem stomping macros are illagable |
| 00:23.04 | alestane | "illagable"? |
| 00:24.26 | Adys | illagable. |
| 00:24.50 | alestane | Does that mean they can't be affected by lag? |
| 00:24.57 | Adys | it means illagable. |
| 00:25.04 | alestane | OIC. |
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| 00:35.02 | Adys | um |
| 00:35.14 | Adys | anyone got a decent blp=>png conversion tool? |
| 00:35.16 | Adys | with CLI if poss |
| 00:36.41 | Adys | nm, remembered google was good |
| 00:37.55 | AnduinLothar | TGAtoBLP2 and BLP2toTGA |
| 00:38.11 | AnduinLothar | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:38.12 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:38.36 | AnduinLothar | hmm, he only has blp2png |
| 00:38.56 | AnduinLothar | http://www.mmowned.com/forums/model-editing-guides-programs/114308-guide-complete-advanced-retexturing.html |
| 00:41.07 | AnduinLothar | also http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/sourceforge/w/wo/wowprofiler/blp2totga-0.1.0.tar.gz |
| 00:41.50 | AnduinLothar | rather http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=126538&use_mirror=softlayer&filename=blp2totga-0.1.0.tar.gz&a=93049361 |
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| 00:58.19 | Thunder_Child | i need this http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/04/StevePrice.jpg but with more monitors |
| 00:59.02 | Jamash | Is there a slash command to change the current action bar in the default UI? |
| 00:59.36 | cog|away | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Action_bar_manipulation |
| 01:00.17 | Jamash | ah, thanks |
| 01:00.19 | Thunder_Child | not to be confused with http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Cog_manipulation |
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| 01:01.23 | Jamash | dang, it'll only let me use 1-6 |
| 01:01.53 | xqo | hello, are there any easy ways to capitalize the first letter of a string? |
| 01:04.10 | cog|away | lua> s = "hello"; s = s:sub(1,1):upper() .. s:sub(2) print(s) -- *cross fingers* |
| 01:04.10 | lua_bot | cog|away: Hello |
| 01:04.44 | Thunder_Child | ~pat cog|away |
| 01:04.45 | purl | ACTION pats cog|away and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 01:05.46 | xqo | cog|away: could you pastebin it please? |
| 01:05.49 | xqo | mibbit is adding smileys |
| 01:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | turn off smilies |
| 01:06.18 | xqo | how do i do that? |
| 01:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Settings or options somewhere |
| 01:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I've used mibbit all of once |
| 01:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (or, get a real client) |
| 01:08.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: SQL in Java isn't too bad |
| 01:08.16 | cog|away | http://pastey.net/111883 |
| 01:08.22 | Shirik | it's not |
| 01:08.24 | cog|away | xqo: ^ |
| 01:08.25 | Shirik | there's a standard interface |
| 01:08.31 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, I noticed |
| 01:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: fish-giver! |
| 01:08.49 | xqo | thanks alot! |
| 01:08.57 | Jamash | have a fish: ><> |
| 01:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: and once I got the pattern down, it works well |
| 01:09.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Overheard in guild chat: "4chan is like the new jersey of the internet" :P |
| 01:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:10.03 | ScytheBlade1 | "Jersey girls ain't trash; trash gets picked up." random line I remembered |
| 01:11.23 | AnduinLothar | >.< that blp2tga causes segfaults |
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| 01:26.56 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/111884 - [21:25:20] Interface\AddOns\tPower\core.lua:46: '(' expected near '.' ...WTF? |
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| 01:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Taroven: not sure, but it is worth a shot.. kill the trailing comma on line 12 |
| 01:32.30 | Jamash | it's the "local" |
| 01:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... oh |
| 01:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 01:32.54 | Jamash | you're trying to declare a table entry as local :) |
| 01:32.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes it would be |
| 01:33.06 | Corrodias | aha |
| 01:36.11 | Taroven | blinks. |
| 01:36.58 | Taroven | Where at, Jamash? |
| 01:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Your function declaration |
| 01:37.12 | Taroven | (been staring at my screen WAY too long) |
| 01:37.13 | Mysticell | Man, we were doing Immortal and someone died in a damn cloud on Grobbulus after he was down. |
| 01:37.15 | ScytheBlade1 | line 46 |
| 01:37.31 | kd3 | mystic; ouch |
| 01:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | tPower <-- table |
| 01:37.40 | kd3 | that's a pretty much instant /gkick |
| 01:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | likewise, you can't declare a function as a local when you put it inside a table |
| 01:37.56 | Mysticell | Meh, we all knew we wouldn't get it from the start |
| 01:38.06 | Jamash | what ScytheBlade1 said |
| 01:38.24 | ScytheBlade1 | (You likely want to replace that . with a _ ) |
| 01:38.36 | Taroven | rummages around and reloads |
| 01:39.04 | Taroven | Got the error to stop, still getting nothing. |
| 01:40.09 | Taroven | Debug line's not giving anything either. =\ |
| 01:40.54 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/111885 |
| 01:42.16 | Jamash | well, the function isn't defined when you're using it in a SetScript |
| 01:42.58 | Jamash | try putting the SetScript after the function definition |
| 01:43.02 | Taroven | THERE it goes. |
| 01:43.39 | Taroven | Thanks Jamash. |
| 01:43.45 | Jamash | You're welcome :) |
| 01:45.57 | cog|away | <RandomRant>It's "I *couldn't* care less" not "I *could* care less"</RandomRant> |
| 01:52.03 | Taroven | Alright, so I've slimmed my onupdate function a bit, got it working... and now it's complaining that the damn font's not set. >.< |
| 01:52.45 | kd3 | holds up a flaming hula hoop called "fonts" for taroven to jump through |
| 01:52.52 | Taroven | XD |
| 01:53.48 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/111887 - core.lua:42: <unnamed>:SetText(): Font not set |
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| 01:54.19 | Taroven | Sigh... I hate coding things from scratch, some days. |
| 01:54.45 | DWSR | Taroven: Some days it can be very rewarding as well. :) |
| 01:54.51 | Taroven | That it can. |
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| 01:55.26 | Taroven | Really am wondering what I'm doing wrong here though... I've never had issues with fontstrings doing random crap like that before. -.- |
| 01:56.45 | cog|book | The cow says ... μ |
| 01:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:57.04 | Taroven | lulz. |
| 01:57.36 | Jamash | well the first question would be "is the font file there" |
| 01:57.40 | AnduinLothar | don't cats say that? |
| 01:58.21 | cog|book | scratches his head |
| 01:58.37 | Jamash | kittens, maybe |
| 01:58.54 | Taroven | Whoops. |
| 01:58.57 | Taroven | Fixt. |
| 01:59.00 | cog|book | ah... some people pronounce it myoo |
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| 01:59.13 | Taroven | And still not displaying anything, though I'm finally rid of the damn errors |
| 01:59.53 | Taroven | Ah, well, pretty sure I can figure it out from there. =P |
| 02:00.41 | kd3 | ya, I was taught to pronounce it like how kittens do |
| 02:00.47 | DWSR | mew |
| 02:00.51 | DWSR | myew* |
| 02:00.58 | kd3 | 'mu' is the japanese response to 'have you stopped beating your wife yet?' |
| 02:01.02 | Jamash | try frame:Show() |
| 02:01.17 | Wobin | miü |
| 02:01.36 | Taroven | No dice. |
| 02:01.36 | DWSR | is there a way to develop addons and test them outside of WoW? |
| 02:01.41 | Jamash | ã |
| 02:01.45 | DWSR | so that you don't have to constantly reloadui? |
| 02:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
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| 02:01.58 | Wobin | nyet |
| 02:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You can make sure that your lua compiles, but that is about it |
| 02:02.10 | Jamash | you could write a clone of the wow client |
| 02:02.15 | DWSR | seems like that would be extrodinarily useful. |
| 02:02.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Feel free to make one |
| 02:02.42 | DWSR | I don't have the knowledge |
| 02:02.46 | DWSR | unfortunately. |
| 02:02.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Not many people do! |
| 02:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And those that do are too busy |
| 02:02.54 | DWSR | T'would seem! :P |
| 02:04.29 | Taroven | AH HA |
| 02:04.30 | Taroven | GOT IT |
| 02:04.35 | DWSR | cheers! |
| 02:04.44 | Taroven | Needed to set height and width on the main frame |
| 02:04.46 | Taroven | >.< |
| 02:05.06 | DWSR | there any docs for SCT integration? |
| 02:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI source |
| 02:05.22 | DWSR | But no actual docs? |
| 02:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | There aren't any actual docs for pretty much everything |
| 02:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So no |
| 02:07.31 | kd3 | docs? |
| 02:07.33 | kd3 | what are those? |
| 02:07.38 | Wobin | shoes! |
| 02:07.53 | tekkub | those assholes that charge you a bunch of money to hold your balls for 20sec |
| 02:07.56 | Wobin | or very british ducks |
| 02:08.12 | Wobin | tekkub will do it for a much more nominal price |
| 02:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Aside from the UI changes threads we've got, Zoot's post on the animation system is probably the first blue post we've had that may qualify as actual docs |
| 02:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowcompares.com/0109742/AddOns/Blizzard_CombatText/Blizzard_CombatText.lua |
| 02:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | function CombatText_AddMessage(message, scrollFunction, r, g, b, displayType, isStaggered) |
| 02:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ enjoy |
| 02:11.46 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: I was thinking Grayhoof's SCT. :P |
| 02:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you should have said that ;) |
| 02:12.32 | DWSR | I always thought Blizzard's CT was FCT. |
| 02:12.50 | ScytheBlade1 | F. S, whatever |
| 02:13.00 | DWSR | ;) |
| 02:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Same concept |
| 02:13.12 | DWSR | Different implementation, and that does matter. |
| 02:13.19 | kd3 | damn it! 20800/21k |
| 02:13.21 | kd3 | sighs |
| 02:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why you should be specific ;) |
| 02:14.05 | DWSR | I was. Vert. |
| 02:14.07 | DWSR | very* |
| 02:14.13 | DWSR | MSBT, FCT, SCT. |
| 02:14.19 | DWSR | These are all extremely distinct. |
| 02:14.20 | mikma | tekkub: how much have you paid to docs so they would hold your balls? |
| 02:16.38 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/93450930 |
| 02:17.42 | kd3 | oh wow! a siren's tear |
| 02:17.45 | kd3 | falls out of his chair |
| 02:17.46 | Thunder_Child | you forgot the best DWSR |
| 02:20.56 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: just use libsink |
| 02:21.06 | Shadowed | ew libsink! |
| 02:21.20 | Shadowed | unless you need something complicated, you can support all of the CTs in like 5lines |
| 02:21.45 | Arrowmaster | no way 5 lines |
| 02:21.51 | mikma | way 5 lines |
| 02:22.22 | Shadowed | http://shadowed-wow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Afflicted/Afflicted.lua bottom of the page |
| 02:22.23 | Shadowed | okay 10 lines :p |
| 02:22.35 | mikma | can be shrinked to 5! |
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| 02:35.13 | Jamash | technically all functions can be shrunk to one line |
| 02:35.19 | Jamash | however, this is not helpful |
| 02:35.26 | Torhal | Cairenn: Thank you. Going through the new posts was becoming aggravating, as I do not nor plan to use Carbonite, nUI, oUF, or OpenRDX - and three pages a day of "spam" is no fun. :D |
| 02:35.37 | Cairenn | no worries |
| 02:36.01 | Cairenn | we've already been looking into it, we have some ideas that hopefully you guys will really like |
| 02:36.09 | Shadowed | delete them all?! |
| 02:36.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:37.36 | Shadowed | anyone played extensively with the new tooltip quest info on 3.1? |
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| 02:38.14 | Shadowed | or at least enough to know for sure if I can specifically rely on the item names in the tooltip to be the actual quest items name from GetItemInfo |
| 02:38.29 | kd3 | it is full of win and automsauce |
| 02:38.37 | kd3 | uhm... awesomesauce |
| 02:38.40 | kd3 | looks for more caffeine |
| 02:40.54 | Shadowed | Unfortunately, I can't tell the code "Full of win and awesomesauce, do X -> Y always" :P |
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| 02:58.26 | nino` | I'm trying to start a timer (I hate losing my pygmy oil debuff and having to spam more oils), so I wrote a small snippet and so far it sends text when I have the buff, but I want it to start a countdown timer from 10 minutes |
| 02:58.38 | nino` | tl;dr >> how do you make a countdown timer? |
| 02:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | You use OnEvent |
| 02:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And every time WoW draws a frame, check out how much time has elapsed |
| 02:59.51 | nino` | ty kind sir :) |
| 02:59.54 | Arrowmaster | you mean OnUpdate? |
| 03:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 03:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, I mean OnUpdate |
| 03:00.32 | mikma | nino`: http://wowprogramming.com/misc/snippets/Minitimer |
| 03:00.56 | nino` | TY friends |
| 03:07.36 | Shirik | Is there some event that is fired when you've successfully sent a master loot item (or the loot window updates, etc.) |
| 03:07.46 | Shirik | I should think there has to be, otherwise how would that window know when to update? |
| 03:08.17 | mikma | shirik: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 03:08.49 | Shirik | yes thank you |
| 03:08.53 | Shirik | I didn't really see anything useful though |
| 03:09.44 | mikma | you know what you can de |
| 03:10.02 | mikma | install devtools, invite friend, put ml on, go deadmines |
| 03:10.10 | mikma | fast and effective |
| 03:10.27 | Shirik | I've actually been doing SM to test my mod |
| 03:10.29 | Shirik | much closer |
| 03:10.42 | mikma | your a horde! |
| 03:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: close |
| 03:11.48 | Shirik | I am rawr |
| 03:11.52 | Shirik | RAWR I SAY |
| 03:11.53 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 03:11.58 | Shirik | huggles ecs |
| 03:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:12.10 | Shirik | huggles Gryphen |
| 03:12.13 | Gryphen | huggles Shirik |
| 03:12.16 | Shirik | er |
| 03:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | it just now clicked, that is a bot |
| 03:12.18 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:12.18 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 03:13.50 | mikma | orly? |
| 03:14.01 | mikma | poops on gryphen |
| 03:14.04 | Gryphen | poops on mikma |
| 03:14.30 | mikma | fail script imho |
| 03:17.24 | nino` | o.o |
| 03:18.22 | nino` | i hope you guys dont' mind but, i'm kinda confused as to how I would incorporate a timer within a function i already made that checks to see if the buff I have is on |
| 03:18.40 | nino` | would I want to put a function within a function or call it from 2 seperate functions? |
| 03:19.11 | mikma | everything goes |
| 03:19.33 | nino` | so either way would work? |
| 03:20.08 | mikma | sure, why not |
| 03:20.15 | nino` | alright cool, ty :) |
| 03:21.13 | mikma | ninbtw, i would use 2 seperate |
| 03:21.34 | mikma | nino`: sorry that was for you, failtab |
| 03:21.51 | nino` | np |
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| 03:22.24 | nino` | but then my question is, would it just be called using the name of the function or do I have to assign some variable to it ? |
| 03:23.07 | mikma | myfunc(foo1,bar2) ? |
| 03:23.25 | nino` | local onUpdate(self,elapsed) |
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| 03:23.44 | nino` | hmm nvm, i see it now :p |
| 03:23.51 | mikma | self is the frame that calls it |
| 03:24.06 | mikma | (in the link, its called f) |
| 03:24.26 | Kraps | stupid in combat bug |
| 03:24.39 | Kraps | halp |
| 03:24.42 | mikma | i havent had that in a while |
| 03:24.48 | mikma | when i stopped doing pvp |
| 03:24.59 | mikma | oh lol |
| 03:25.07 | mikma | i read combat log |
| 03:25.12 | mikma | laelae |
| 03:26.11 | Kraps | cant use the taxi >:( |
| 03:26.36 | mikma | forcequit the game |
| 03:26.39 | Kraps | oh it just went away |
| 03:26.53 | Kraps | after half an hour |
| 03:26.59 | mikma | lol? |
| 03:27.09 | mikma | ans you waited the whole time? |
| 03:27.20 | mikma | i hope you were atleast coding meanwhile |
| 03:27.54 | Kraps | nah i was questing |
| 03:28.04 | Kraps | 2 manning last rites |
| 03:29.01 | Kraps | should i close the ticket? |
| 03:29.04 | Kraps | :p |
| 03:29.08 | mikma | yes |
| 03:29.35 | mikma | "oh i had in combat bug but it ended" |
| 03:29.47 | mikma | 'anything else i can do for you?' |
| 03:29.51 | mikma | "no" |
| 03:29.51 | Kraps | rofl |
| 03:30.04 | mikma | (thanks for wasting my time *#@#**) |
| 03:30.40 | Kraps | also i hang out here cuz of all the smart people, i'm not a coder |
| 03:31.14 | mikma | but you could be one! |
| 03:31.22 | mikma | start with hello world! |
| 03:31.33 | Kraps | heh |
| 03:31.37 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.41 | Kraps | done that |
| 03:31.45 | Kraps | in VB |
| 03:33.09 | mikma | oh and having synergy on 2x comp while your friend is playing on the slave machine = priceless |
| 03:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:34.53 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.17 | mikma | = repeat until friend is pissed |
| 03:35.32 | Kraps | haste is good for heals ya? |
| 03:35.45 | mikma | haste: are you good for heals? |
| 03:35.55 | Kraps | um |
| 03:36.07 | Kraps | he says yes |
| 03:36.25 | Kraps | right? |
| 03:36.33 | mikma | when hes among the living he might |
| 03:36.42 | mikma | yes, haste is extremely good for heals |
| 03:36.54 | mikma | shorten cooldown, shorter casts |
| 03:37.20 | mikma | lifebloom druids love that stat |
| 03:37.50 | Shadowed | no 5they don't mikma :p |
| 03:37.57 | Shadowed | you soft cap on haste way too easily with GoTM |
| 03:38.02 | mikma | yes thay do shadowed |
| 03:38.03 | Shadowed | GoTEM* |
| 03:39.40 | mikma | oh, also haste affects herbalism haha |
| 03:39.55 | mikma | so put on your hastegear when you go farming! |
| 03:40.08 | Kraps | omg i hate when someone invites to an instance AND THEY'RE THE ONLY PERSON IN THE "GROUP" |
| 03:40.30 | mikma | hey, they gotta start some something |
| 03:40.59 | mikma | start from* |
| 03:48.57 | Kraps | watching last castle |
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| 04:02.18 | tekkub | Here you are leetle girl, you can have your cat back |
| 04:02.21 | tekkub | I had a dog... |
| 04:02.24 | tekkub | Is cat now |
| 04:04.48 | End | I don't understand. |
| 04:05.02 | End | I got top dps on loatheb, as an affliction warlock |
| 04:05.05 | End | and not only that |
| 04:05.12 | End | but I forgot to summon my pet |
| 04:05.17 | End | I'm terrible! |
| 04:05.24 | End | but...less terrible!? |
| 04:07.30 | airtonix | you must be only 'live' player in your raid then? |
| 04:07.38 | airtonix | only non-bot? |
| 04:07.52 | End | hell if I know |
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| 04:17.42 | cog|book | i love it when after clearing away a few off-by-one errors and the like everything works exactly as you hoped. |
| 04:17.43 | tekkub | yea what's so funny about cog's cat? |
| 04:18.02 | cog|book | tekkub: cats are automatic lols imo |
| 04:18.14 | tekkub | you sure? |
| 04:18.18 | tekkub | lets test |
| 04:18.20 | Cairenn | taken out of context, it could be read very amusingly |
| 04:18.20 | tekkub | I have a cat |
| 04:18.22 | cog|book | mine are... |
| 04:18.34 | tekkub | I actually have TWO cats |
| 04:18.41 | tekkub | yea it's not working |
| 04:18.42 | cog|book | chuckles at Cairenn |
| 04:19.04 | tekkub | god damn defective cats |
| 04:19.08 | cog|book | one of my cats is extremely fat and clumsy |
| 04:19.15 | cog|book | and meow-y |
| 04:19.33 | tekkub | one of mine's big, not really fat, and bitches constantly |
| 04:19.56 | tekkub | the other day he tried to jump up on my desk at the end.. and was about 6" too low |
| 04:20.04 | tekkub | jumped diectly against the side |
| 04:20.55 | cog|book | mine tried to jump onto a counter but didn't quite make it... she did the classic scraaaaatch as her paws slid toward the edge, hang on the edge for a few seconds, and finally gave up |
| 04:22.39 | Codayus | One of my cats has a habit of running into walls. |
| 04:23.02 | Codayus | He loves running up and down the halls as fast as he can. ...sometime he just doesn't stop in time. Doesn't seem to bother him. |
| 04:32.35 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 04:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | whee, nothing like PHP vulnerabilities |
| 04:32.41 | kd3 | 'shadow of the colossus' becoming a movie? |
| 04:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | jerks making me upgrade my servers |
| 04:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: o+o |
| 04:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | s/+/_/ |
| 04:34.35 | Fisker- | they're making a movie about my crotch? |
| 04:34.36 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 04:35.53 | kd3 | other movie news... holy fuck... the matrix has been out for 10 years? |
| 04:37.17 | Taroven | What would be a quick and relatively easy way to throttle OnUpdate execution a bit? |
| 04:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Taroven: do a simple if, and only execute the block of your code every X seconds |
| 04:38.10 | kd3 | increment a local variable based on the elapsed value? |
| 04:38.24 | kd3 | check for that local variable being larger than some threshold? |
| 04:45.10 | tekkub | use math.random to determine if you should run |
| 04:45.12 | Fisker- | so what kd3 i've been out for a lot longer! |
| 04:46.20 | Taroven | http://wowui.pastey.net/111893 doesn't wanna work. =\ |
| 04:47.13 | haleyss | Does anyone know if there is a web site that shows how many visitors a site recieves, or impressions? |
| 04:48.11 | tekkub | damnit Kaelten, l2changelog |
| 04:48.53 | Taroven | Correction, it works once and then stops. x.x |
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| 05:11.43 | Thunder_Child | ok, lily allens cover of womanizer is rather weird |
| 05:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | okay,this is kind of hilarious: http://www.fmylife.com/work/853708 |
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| 05:20.18 | Shadowed | jesus christ the development policy topic is still going on |
| 05:20.48 | tekkub | yes my son |
| 05:21.28 | Shadowed | you would make christians cry if you were jesus |
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| 05:22.12 | Thunder_Child | they cry anyway |
| 05:22.32 | Cairenn | Shadowed: yes, yes it is |
| 05:22.35 | Cairenn | where are you seeing it? |
| 05:22.42 | tekkub | hehe http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3422588771/ |
| 05:22.43 | Shadowed | ui macros forum |
| 05:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The 113 page beast |
| 05:23.01 | Cairenn | ah, wasn't sure which thread/site you were looking at |
| 05:23.10 | Shadowed | well all of them really, but that one specifically |
| 05:23.14 | Cairenn | nod |
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| 05:25.29 | Shadowed | tek as jesus makes me laugh |
| 05:25.53 | tekkub | of course, you have no choice |
| 05:25.58 | tekkub | now take off your pants |
| 05:26.29 | Thunder_Child | is he about to "partake upon the flesh of jesus"? |
| 05:26.55 | tekkub | "upon" seems like the wrong word |
| 05:26.57 | tekkub | all over? |
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| 05:30.33 | Wobin | :O |
| 05:30.34 | Wobin | http://www.moolf.com/sport/neon-lamp-fights.html |
| 05:30.36 | Wobin | :O |
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| 05:40.16 | kd3 | whee, fail |
| 05:40.27 | kd3 | background downloader: "Error with option [--launchedfromlauncher]" |
| 05:40.33 | tekkub | what weapon tempenchants to shamans use these days? |
| 05:40.41 | tekkub | specifically dualweildey ones |
| 05:40.41 | Tem | SO |
| 05:40.47 | Tem | arena rating system is retarded |
| 05:40.51 | Tem | we're 6-1 |
| 05:40.56 | Tem | and our rating is 1499 |
| 05:40.59 | Tem | what gives? |
| 05:41.06 | kd3 | you lost to a crap team? |
| 05:41.13 | Tem | we get less than 10 points for every win |
| 05:41.23 | Tem | and lost 20 when we won |
| 05:41.41 | kd3 | your matchmaking rating is still below the team rating? |
| 05:41.49 | Fisker- | kd3 you got a mac? |
| 05:41.52 | kd3 | no |
| 05:42.00 | End | where the hell does the matchmaking rating start anyhow? |
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| 05:42.09 | kd3 | sqrt(-1) |
| 05:42.15 | Fisker- | i still hate you though kd3 ;_; |
| 05:42.18 | airtonix | tekkub, http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=7.7 |
| 05:42.32 | airtonix | filter by 'weapon' |
| 05:42.44 | tekkub | I didn't ask what the spells were |
| 05:42.49 | tekkub | I asked what people USE |
| 05:43.17 | airtonix | woops |
| 05:44.06 | tekkub | the main question being, do dual-wielders put different ones on each weapon, or the same? |
| 05:44.07 | Tem | kd3, how do I find out our matchmaking rank? |
| 05:44.25 | kd3 | it's intentionally hidden |
| 05:44.51 | kd3 | when the point delta for wins/losses is about the same your team rank is close to it, though |
| 05:45.11 | Adys | [08:44:25] <kd3> it's intentionally hidden |
| 05:45.15 | Shadowed | I doubt that |
| 05:45.17 | Adys | .. because yours is REALLY bad |
| 05:45.20 | Shadowed | they just don't have a reason to expose it |
| 05:45.30 | Adys | no Shadowed |
| 05:45.32 | airtonix | tekkub, i know it might take some time, but there seems to be some good comments on the pages for the max rank of each of those spells |
| 05:45.38 | Adys | matchmaking rating is what PR shouldve been |
| 05:45.40 | Adys | hidden |
| 05:45.42 | kd3 | sure, 'this is the number win traders need to know to exploit' |
| 05:45.43 | airtonix | i've not played a shaman yet |
| 05:45.44 | Shadowed | indeed but |
| 05:46.01 | Shadowed | they still have no reason to show matchmaking, so saying it's intentionally hidden is probably wrong :p |
| 05:46.11 | Adys | Shadowed: it gives blizzard control |
| 05:46.13 | End | if PR was hidden, they couldn't make gear use it |
| 05:46.17 | tekkub | I got bored of mine at 42 |
| 05:46.20 | Shadowed | yea what End said |
| 05:46.25 | Adys | yeah they could |
| 05:46.29 | Shadowed | PR is shown because the user has to know what it is |
| 05:46.37 | tekkub | felt fitting, for the obvious reason and also cause I quit FFXI at 42WHM/42BLM |
| 05:46.39 | Adys | dude |
| 05:46.56 | Adys | its not because things are the way they are right now, that they'd be exactly the same in a TOTALLY different situation |
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| 05:47.07 | Shadowed | uh? |
| 05:47.13 | Shadowed | I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue? |
| 05:47.14 | Adys | if PR was hidden they wouldnt go with the same model of arena gear selling |
| 05:47.22 | Shadowed | okay? |
| 05:47.30 | Adys | your point is moot |
| 05:47.33 | Shadowed | ... |
| 05:47.49 | End | what model would they use? |
| 05:47.51 | Shadowed | Blizzard has no reason to show the matchmaking rating, saying that they intentionally hide it is likely wrong |
| 05:48.17 | End | if you're trying to provide gear only at certain "ranks" of gear, and you don't want to use team rating, what would you use? |
| 05:48.17 | Shadowed | Obviously I don't work for Blizzard so I can't say for sure, but as the user does not need to know the value like they do PR/TR it's not exposed |
| 05:48.21 | Adys | it was created to give blizz control over the old design |
| 05:49.17 | Adys | you can argue the old design was fine and it probably was for most players |
| 05:49.19 | Adys | but not for blizz |
| 05:49.21 | Shadowed | uh |
| 05:49.25 | Shadowed | we're not arguing the design |
| 05:49.28 | Shadowed | at all |
| 05:49.41 | End | er, PR solely exists to allow gear to require a certain rating |
| 05:49.42 | Shadowed | It's simple. USers do not need the MR, thus it is not exposed |
| 05:49.52 | Adys | no end |
| 05:50.03 | End | (well, I guess titles tie into it too) |
| 05:50.10 | Shadowed | PR exists because it's a way of preventing you from selling teams without working for it |
| 05:50.18 | End | ^ |
| 05:50.25 | Shadowed | (in theory) |
| 05:50.36 | Adys | matchmaking rank exists because of the exact same reason |
| 05:50.54 | Shadowed | eh |
| 05:50.57 | Adys | except its hidden because blizz figured it was a BAD idea not hiding it. |
| 05:51.08 | Shadowed | gets tinfoil hats out |
| 05:51.54 | Adys | its not a tinfoil hat theory; if two features are identical to the exception one is not made public ... |
| 05:52.02 | Shadowed | uh |
| 05:52.03 | Shadowed | they aren't |
| 05:52.05 | Shadowed | Adys |
| 05:52.10 | Shadowed | it's really simple |
| 05:52.19 | Adys | the implementation is different, the concept is identical |
| 05:52.24 | Shadowed | no, it's not |
| 05:52.28 | Adys | yes it is |
| 05:52.59 | Adys | give a player a personal rating that isnt directly tied to the team's rating |
| 05:53.03 | Shadowed | Team ratings are used for deciding the teams ranking vs all the others + points. Personal rating is used to decide if you're eligible for rewards. Matchmaking rating is supposed to make your arena rating adjust in a way that it sets you up against players of your same skill level |
| 05:53.11 | Adys | ffs. |
| 05:53.17 | Adys | nevermind what they are used for |
| 05:53.21 | Shadowed | EXCEPT |
| 05:53.26 | Shadowed | what they're used for is what matters |
| 05:53.29 | tekkub | too many ratings |
| 05:53.31 | Adys | well DUH |
| 05:53.36 | Shadowed | Then don't say nevermind? |
| 05:53.41 | Adys | shadowed |
| 05:53.44 | Adys | matchmaking rating took over the PR |
| 05:53.49 | Shadowed | .... no it didn't |
| 05:53.55 | Adys | .. yes it did |
| 05:53.59 | Shadowed | because Blizzard still uses it for eligibility on items and end of season rewards |
| 05:54.06 | Shadowed | so users have to know it so they know if they can buy it |
| 05:54.10 | Adys | sigh |
| 05:54.22 | Shadowed | PR servers an entirely different purpose from MR actually |
| 05:54.34 | Shadowed | serves even |
| 05:54.53 | End | the numbers might be generated in a similar way, but they're designed for and used for entirely different things |
| 05:54.53 | Adys | Shadowed: my point; if MR came first, you'd never have seen PR, ever |
| 05:55.06 | End | so how would they distribute gear? |
| 05:55.08 | Shadowed | eh |
| 05:55.11 | Adys | they'd find a way |
| 05:55.15 | Shadowed | you mean |
| 05:55.16 | Shadowed | like PR? :P |
| 05:55.20 | Adys | no |
| 05:55.27 | Adys | whole point of MR is its hidden |
| 05:55.33 | End | there needs to be some system of eligibility |
| 05:55.44 | End | and yes, you COULD hide that, but that'd be really really silly |
| 05:55.48 | Shadowed | also |
| 05:55.59 | Shadowed | Lets do what you say, lets pretend PR doesn't exist |
| 05:56.02 | Adys | or you could make a system similar to old honor ranks |
| 05:56.03 | Adys | or, ... |
| 05:56.08 | Shadowed | Now, lets say it's the end of the season |
| 05:56.10 | Adys | theres fucktons of designs possible |
| 05:56.22 | Adys | not hiding numbers is a bad idea, blizz figured it out, you still havent |
| 05:56.24 | Shadowed | You want to distribute the rewards to people that actually played on the team |
| 05:56.48 | Shadowed | Now, we have two ways of doing it. AR which doesn't tell you anything beyond how many games they played and the overall rating (And they only need something like 20% of games) |
| 05:56.56 | Shadowed | and you have MR, which is *GLOBAL* and not done per team |
| 05:57.13 | Adys | and ideally theyd use MR |
| 05:57.21 | End | also: |
| 05:57.45 | End | isn't MR supposed to fluctuate a lot |
| 05:57.49 | Shadowed | that too |
| 05:57.56 | Adys | not much more than PR |
| 05:58.04 | Adys | actually, much LESS than PR |
| 05:58.08 | Shadowed | PR fluctuates a lot actually to start with if you join a team thats higher rated |
| 05:58.20 | Adys | since if you quit a 2300 team, your MR would still be high (assuming you're not bad) |
| 05:58.20 | Shadowed | which makes sense |
| 05:59.19 | Shadowed | Anyway, I'm fairly sure Blizzard is not actually an evil overlord of a company that specifically tries to screw people over and purposely hiding numbers, call me crazy thats just a feeling |
| 05:59.39 | Adys | wow wtf are you on about |
| 05:59.39 | Shadowed | (Especially because they even give stats on every arena team on the armory now) |
| 05:59.54 | Adys | hiding numbers has nothing to do with screwing people up |
| 06:00.07 | Shadowed | goes to read a book while you rant on semantics |
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| 06:05.58 | Tem | What |
| 06:05.59 | Tem | The |
| 06:06.01 | Tem | Fuck |
| 06:06.07 | Tem | we can't get more than 10 points a win |
| 06:06.13 | Tem | but it's always >15 points a loss |
| 06:06.17 | Tem | I don't understand this system at all |
| 06:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: could be worse, http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9913/wowscrnshot012709120553re7.jpg |
| 06:07.31 | Tem | lol |
| 06:07.32 | End | so we made it so you can lose when you win? |
| 06:09.26 | Fisker- | You dawgs i heard yo like ratings so we put a rating in yo rating so yo can lose while yo lose |
| 06:10.08 | End | that |
| 06:10.10 | End | that's it |
| 06:10.16 | Cairenn | Fisker-: o.O |
| 06:10.24 | End | Cairenn: did you see the screenshot? |
| 06:10.30 | Cairenn | looking at it now |
| 06:10.46 | Cairenn | and now it makes sense |
| 06:10.47 | End | although I think it's, it's lose while yo win |
| 06:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I'm looking for the exact screenshot now |
| 06:11.10 | Fisker- | Yo dawgs i heard yo and yo dawg like yo yos so we put a dawg in a yo yo so yo can yo yo yo dawg while yo dawg yo yos dawg |
| 06:11.20 | End | YO DAWG |
| 06:11.23 | airtonix | fashizzle |
| 06:11.47 | End | http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7909/7c0eb1c4b6rk8.png |
| 06:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the one |
| 06:12.05 | airtonix | dropbox > imgshack... /discuss |
| 06:13.17 | Adys | only 1 killing blow? |
| 06:13.20 | Adys | fucking cowards |
| 06:14.02 | Fisker- | i guess it's shadow of death? :e |
| 06:14.27 | Adys | "I was going on a dinner date with a girl I had just met. After I picked her up I asked her if she would like to get lobster. She looked at me and asked if those were the red ones. Confused I nodded. She replied, "Sorry, I don't eat red meat." I laughed. She was serious." |
| 06:14.34 | Adys | hmm. |
| 06:14.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:17.11 | Tem | omfg 10 |
| 06:17.20 | Corrodias | so how do both teams lose rating? |
| 06:17.29 | Corrodias | higher-rated team beating a lower-rated one or something? |
| 06:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | display bug, or so we were told |
| 06:18.56 | Shadowed | mmm thats not possible |
| 06:19.01 | Shadowed | or, shouldn't be |
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| 06:19.14 | Shadowed | all that number is, is newRating - oldRating |
| 06:19.25 | End | it shouldn't be possible |
| 06:19.28 | Shadowed | fair :p |
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| 06:32.15 | Arrowmaster | so i just had to hotwire my speaker controler with a twisty tie to turn the sound down, the broken button finally came completely off the pcb |
| 06:33.54 | Thunder_Child | you know you are tired when you have a pot for the sink and a container for the cupboard and you open the fridge. |
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| 06:35.25 | msou| | Hi, once I unzipped carbonite there are 3 diff folders. if I want carnobite the similar to questhelper I should drag carbonite "folder" only and drop it under addons? |
| 06:35.42 | msou| | there is 3 folders, carbonite, carbonitenodes and carbonite transfer |
| 06:37.29 | airtonix | you need all three under your addon folder |
| 06:38.32 | airtonix | i could be wrong though |
| 06:38.46 | airtonix | but last time i tried carbonite, it wanted all three |
| 06:38.50 | cog|book | msou|: did you look at the readme? |
| 06:39.29 | cog|book | the first installation instruction after the list of contents is "The Carbonite folder needs to be dragged from the zip file or the zip file extracted to the Warcraft AddOns folder. |
| 06:40.02 | msou| | I am now actually :) |
| 06:40.17 | msou| | in the readme it says copy the 5 items |
| 06:40.31 | End | fuck, my water is out |
| 06:40.34 | msou| | the macintosh installation |
| 06:40.58 | msou| | and I'm not sure what carbonitenode does nor know what it is |
| 06:41.27 | msou| | was suggested to use carbonite instead of questhelper. and thought I'd give it a shot today |
| 06:41.46 | cog|book | " |
| 06:41.47 | cog|book | ## Notes: Copyright 2008 Carbon Based Creations, LLC. Contains Herbalism and Mining locations. Import using Guide page of Options Window." |
| 06:42.03 | cog|book | stops handing out fish |
| 06:45.16 | airtonix | which means you can stop using gatherer now |
| 06:45.25 | airtonix | potentially |
| 06:46.31 | airtonix | the transfer module is to do with syncing data across your toons |
| 06:47.21 | airtonix | ie: carbonite provides the ability to see your quests on a toon, the transfer module allows you to look at this data across all your toons without having to log into those toons |
| 06:50.18 | Fisker- | fishes cog|away |
| 06:51.08 | Xinhuan | so i've been away for a week :) did blizzard clarify anything about the UI policy in my absence? |
| 06:51.50 | Fisker- | It's Blizzard |
| 06:52.17 | End | well, they said they don't plan on persuing users who use or ever used paid-for AddOns |
| 06:52.20 | End | but that's it |
| 06:52.38 | End | and they deleted cog's posts |
| 06:52.54 | Fisker- | Why? |
| 06:53.06 | End | Fisker-, have you been living under a rock? |
| 06:53.10 | Xinhuan | hmm i see |
| 06:53.15 | End | I mean, I know Xinhuan has been living under a rock |
| 06:53.46 | Fisker- | US affairs concern me little |
| 06:54.27 | End | you hadn't heard they wiped all of cog's post and tempbanned him? |
| 06:54.34 | Fisker- | nope |
| 06:54.42 | End | did you take a vacation from this channel for a few days or something? :o |
| 06:54.47 | Fisker- | In related news on the EU side they won't even confirm their changes to the ToU despite having a few problems with spelling and an issue about it even being valid |
| 06:54.55 | Fisker- | IRC = Idle Relay Chat |
| 06:55.23 | End | you're half the troll I thought you were!\ |
| 06:55.41 | End | anyhow, I guess they thought he was abusing his old green posts or something |
| 06:56.40 | Fisker- | oh |
| 06:57.15 | airtonix | the fuerer takes a dim view on those who contradict his point of view |
| 06:57.53 | Fisker- | fuehrer |
| 06:57.56 | Fisker- | or führer |
| 06:58.10 | End | fewher |
| 06:58.24 | Fisker- | are you questioning my allegiance? |
| 06:58.29 | End | yes |
| 06:58.34 | Tem | airtonix, the tempban/post wipe has nothing to do with disagreeing with the policy |
| 06:59.08 | Fisker- | ah this is funny |
| 06:59.08 | Fisker- | Why do people even think someone would sell a spectral tiger for gold? |
| 06:59.12 | Fisker- | Let alone 1000 gold? |
| 06:59.26 | End | I think it'd be accurate to say they disagreed with how he expressed his disagreement |
| 06:59.29 | Fisker- | That mount would probably be worth 100k if not more |
| 06:59.36 | Tem | End, that's fair |
| 06:59.46 | Tem | and they have every right to ban/postwipe for that imo |
| 07:00.25 | Fisker- | Blizzard gotta start watching out though |
| 07:00.30 | End | I can't blame them for taking action |
| 07:00.39 | Fisker- | Fighting the community every step of the way isn't good |
| 07:00.40 | End | I'm a bit surprised they did it that way though |
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| 07:01.00 | End | (although, I -shouldn't- be surprised) |
| 07:01.05 | Tem | Blizzard legal doesn't give a dick about the community |
| 07:01.13 | airtonix | lol steve balmer |
| 07:01.27 | Fisker- | Blizzard legal is still employed by Blizzard Entertainment |
| 07:01.33 | Tem | anyway, gotta go work on a project |
| 07:01.38 | Fisker- | And it's the little things that can make or break a game |
| 07:01.42 | Fisker- | Community included |
| 07:01.43 | End | Blizzard legal has a lot of free reign though |
| 07:01.50 | End | they probably shouldn't have so much free reign |
| 07:01.53 | End | but they do :-/ |
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| 07:02.37 | Fisker- | The ad issue is just pathetic |
| 07:02.52 | Fisker- | should've known it would be a slippery slope thingy |
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| 07:04.24 | Fisker- | Though for some reason it looks like they've gone back to the old ads |
| 07:04.31 | Fisker- | Atleast i don't see non-blizzard ads anymore |
| 07:04.54 | End | oh, the website ads? |
| 07:05.03 | Fisker- | on the official sites |
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| 07:05.08 | End | yeah |
| 07:05.11 | Coren{de} | I'm inclined to believe that they really saw some point in the non-commercial clause (which is the reasonable part of it all), then handed it over to some legal guy, where it *had* to go bonkers... |
| 07:05.20 | Fisker- | a few weeks ago, after the b.net thingy they allowed normal ads to get there as well |
| 07:05.40 | End | it was funny when they had gold seller ads |
| 07:06.05 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 07:06.13 | Fisker- | i really hoped they'd gotten some keylogger payload into them |
| 07:06.59 | Coren{de} | (coffeine kicking in) ah, *those* ads... |
| 07:07.08 | End | just haven't had the right flash exploit yet |
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| 07:07.41 | End | Coren{de}: I was confused what he was talking about at first too :P |
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| 07:11.45 | haleyss | Anyone here use php simplexml to pull data from the armory before? |
| 07:11.52 | Fisker- | well my point is that they claimed it was just to provide awareness around their other products |
| 07:12.34 | Fisker- | but in reality it was just a slippery slope, implementing a somewhat accepted solution at first and then going a step further a few months after. |
| 07:12.40 | End | that's usually what the front page was used for |
| 07:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/04/07/everyone-poopsthe-trailer |
| 07:13.46 | End | and, if they were using it for their own products, what were they getting out of it when it -wasn't- their own products? their argument stinks |
| 07:15.47 | Coren{de} | well, they are just behaving in a sane way from a capitalistic standpoint: every kind of additional revenue = Good(tm) -- who can blame them for that? |
| 07:17.15 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24895.png |
| 07:17.17 | foxlit | sighs. |
| 07:17.34 | Coren{de} | the idealistic point of view has died long ago when the pay-for-namechange/servertransfer/... was added |
| 07:21.20 | Fisker- | i don't really mind that |
| 07:21.26 | Fisker- | people should learn2decide |
| 07:21.35 | Fisker- | If not they should definitely pay the price for bothering Blizzard about it |
| 07:21.58 | Fisker- | wats dat foxlit ? |
| 07:22.07 | Kemayo | haleyss: I used python minidom to pull data from the armory before... which might be close enough, at least. |
| 07:24.09 | Kemayo | I wish that they'd stuck to a semi-consistent representation of data. |
| 07:24.30 | Kemayo | What's the point in using XML if you're just serializing arbitrary data to it... |
| 07:24.51 | End | for them? because they can use XSLT |
| 07:25.15 | foxlit | Fisker-: surprisingly, not PallyPower. |
| 07:25.41 | Kemayo | Okay, but it'd be even easier for them to use XSLT if they had consistent data structures. |
| 07:25.51 | foxlit | Although, except for the border style, it shares much of the same UI. |
| 07:26.54 | foxlit | sighs at the prospect of there now being two of those design monstrosities. |
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| 07:30.21 | Fisker- | i know it's not pallypower FoxFurry |
| 07:30.22 | Fisker- | fu |
| 07:30.31 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 07:30.31 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Kemayo a big kiss on the forehead |
| 07:30.53 | Kemayo | I feel... violated. |
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| 07:32.27 | Fisker- | you should |
| 07:33.25 | Fisker- | i wonder if today is the lucky day |
| 07:33.41 | Coren{de} | by what defintion of lucky? 8) |
| 07:34.07 | Fisker- | The day that Blizzard finally opens up for account merges |
| 07:34.11 | Fisker- | only taken them about 3 weeks now |
| 07:36.06 | Fisker- | Then they can release the mobile authenticator as well |
| 07:36.25 | Fisker- | wonders why they haven't released it for the other regions yet ;_; |
| 07:39.11 | Coren{de} | anyone know an addon to load/store keyboard configuration? |
| 07:39.12 | Shadowed | FoxFurry: hmmm? |
| 07:39.14 | Shadowed | oh |
| 07:39.17 | Shadowed | bah stupid tabs |
| 07:39.22 | Shadowed | bastard left |
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| 07:39.59 | Shadowed | curses foxlit |
| 07:40.10 | Fisker- | i agree Shadowed |
| 07:40.12 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 07:40.14 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Wobin a big kiss on the hand |
| 07:40.21 | Fisker- | yay |
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| 07:51.13 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 07:51.14 | Fisker- | http://i39.tinypic.com/e5g0vp.png |
| 07:51.22 | Fisker- | 2 palas |
| 07:51.29 | Fisker- | i killed myself with Blood as i killed him |
| 07:51.47 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 07:51.50 | Fisker- | then he logs on a horde character and says he'll get 7 of his friends to corpsecamp me (for killing him once?) |
| 07:52.04 | Fisker- | And in the fight i killed him he used divine shield at 20% and LoH |
| 07:52.12 | Fisker- | Does he even have holy light on his action bar? |
| 07:52.20 | Fisker- | you don't use DS to throw an emergency heal duh |
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| 08:19.46 | Coren{de} | bah, test server needs more people... and dualspec should've been free there... trying to find someone to check inspect code 8| |
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| 10:34.10 | airtonix | foodstuff should rot unless you have a freezer bag or an 'ice bag' imo |
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| 10:51.30 | foxlit | Someone still carries food around? |
| 10:51.38 | foxlit | uncooked food, that is. |
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| 12:24.10 | Cide | hi |
| 12:24.54 | zenzelezz | hello |
| 12:25.14 | Cide | someone finally replies and it's you. great. |
| 12:25.48 | zenzelezz | sorry, wrong window |
| 12:26.08 | Cide | oh, good. maybe the first reply will be from someone useful then! |
| 12:26.34 | zenzelezz | wouldn't count on that this time of day |
| 12:26.39 | zenzelezz | but there's always hope! |
| 12:26.49 | Cide | what time is it? |
| 12:27.08 | |Jelly| | 7.27am CST |
| 12:27.11 | zenzelezz | 14:26 proper European time |
| 12:27.16 | Riffage | 13:27 GMT |
| 12:27.26 | Riffage | BST rather |
| 12:27.31 | Cide | CST was the only useful one |
| 12:27.35 | Cide | the rest of you fail |
| 12:29.22 | zenzelezz | yes, you taught us well |
| 12:30.00 | Cide | I'd hope so |
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| 12:31.32 | Cide | unrelated, pidgin's voice/op icons are really ugly |
| 12:31.43 | DWSR | indeed they are. |
| 12:32.11 | Cide | unrelated, this internet connection is really slow |
| 12:32.37 | DWSR | fail |
| 12:32.45 | Cide | indeed |
| 12:34.00 | Cide | can't expect much more from a satellite connection on a remote island off malaysia's east coast |
| 12:34.39 | DWSR | lol |
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| 12:37.43 | maul | hi, can anyone point me to the simplest possible tutorial/example of creating a cooldown-style bar? |
| 12:38.20 | Cide | I doubt there's a tutorial that specific. |
| 12:38.47 | maul | maybe some timer bar library has a tutorial/usage example? |
| 12:39.18 | Cide | I'm sure google could help |
| 12:39.28 | maul | not really:( |
| 12:39.28 | DWSR | ^ |
| 12:39.31 | Cide | I can't access it so I have no idea |
| 12:39.46 | Cide | Waiting for www.google.com.my... |
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| 12:41.27 | theorbtwo | Cide: If you are on a sat connection, .my is quite likely not close to you in the network sense. |
| 12:41.44 | Cide | I'm in malaysia |
| 12:42.05 | Cide | if there's a faster one, who knows |
| 12:43.00 | DWSR | Cide: Just use www.google.com |
| 12:43.04 | theorbtwo | Cide: But what matters is where the other end of your sat connection is, not where you are. Try running a traceroute to google.com.my, and seeing if it goes through anything recognizably somewhere else. |
| 12:43.18 | DWSR | ^ |
| 12:43.49 | Cide | .com redirects to .com.my |
| 12:44.09 | zenzelezz | .com/ncr if you don't want that |
| 12:44.21 | Cide | ah, nice |
| 12:45.00 | DWSR | .com/ncr still redirects to .com/ig |
| 12:45.01 | DWSR | huh. |
| 12:47.17 | Cide | oh well |
| 12:47.19 | Cide | I better log off |
| 12:47.26 | Cide | not much to do here |
| 12:48.36 | Cide | since all the americans are asleep! |
| 12:48.58 | Kalroth | bye! |
| 12:49.04 | gOurra | BYE |
| 12:49.26 | Cide | oh |
| 12:49.30 | |Jelly| | I'm ... not asleep. :( |
| 12:49.33 | Cide | can someone google malaysia airlines website for me? |
| 12:49.35 | Cide | the url |
| 12:49.47 | Riffage | www.malaysiaairlines.com |
| 12:49.57 | Cide | thanks |
| 12:50.17 | Kalroth | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=malaysia+airlines :D |
| 12:50.42 | maul | I found this: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2843685549&sid=1 in the 2nd post it seems pretty simple, is this supposed to work for me? |
| 12:50.46 | Cide | read above noob |
| 12:50.52 | Cide | @kalroth |
| 12:51.01 | Kalroth | I know, Cide, I just wanted to use the domain |
| 12:51.12 | Cide | you're awesome |
| 12:51.17 | Kalroth | i am |
| 12:51.21 | Cide | can someone book a flight for me too? |
| 12:51.33 | Cide | I will give you my cc info! |
| 12:51.40 | Cide | or maybe not, but I wish I could |
| 12:51.49 | Cide | can't access the stupid website |
| 12:52.01 | Cide | s/stupid website/website with this stupid connection/ |
| 12:52.09 | Cide | later |
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| 12:59.31 | Fisker- | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=16137214337&postId=161356360818&sid=3000#7 <-lulz |
| 13:00.00 | Fisker- | I wonder just exactly what the lawyers have gained |
| 13:03.32 | Fisker- | I mean they must really know how to run communities |
| 13:04.42 | Fisker- | Starting off with some intrusive ads, making controversial changes to UI developement, removing friends from F&F and discontinuing MVP's |
| 13:05.36 | Fisker- | I guess the last thing they can do is to remove the forums and replace them with a page filled with ads |
| 13:07.27 | Coren{de} | I think that until some other MMO is an appropriate competition, it's just not necessary for Blizz to be "nice", and the forums have always (and will always) be a sh*tfest, so... I could appreciate some ads instead of them :> |
| 13:07.40 | Aelobin | bursts into dance. |
| 13:07.46 | zenzelezz | they figure that by splitting the community, there'll be more people ready to try Universe of Starcraft |
| 13:08.59 | Coren{de} | mmh... to me Starcraft is like Star-Trek, either you like it at once or you hate it at once, no long trial required ;-) |
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| 13:15.19 | Coren{de} | bah, now I feel stupid... never noticed that it's possible to define keybindings per character :| |
| 13:30.47 | tlund | is there an alternative to CT_RA/oRA2 that is more up to date? for example using the build in maintank functionality soo that promoting someone to a MT works both for people who use the addon and people who use the default UI? |
| 13:33.18 | foxlit | Silly suggestion: default UI itself. |
| 13:33.36 | foxlit | They've inlined most of the actually useful features |
| 13:33.40 | maul | is there a very quick and easy way to replace "player" with your own name in an addon? |
| 13:34.22 | maul | or at least which function can get the player's name? |
| 13:34.29 | zenzelezz | UnitName("player") |
| 13:34.41 | maul | thanks |
| 13:34.46 | zenzelezz | you should have found that one yourself on either wowprogramming or the wiki |
| 13:35.06 | maul | I guess... |
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| 13:46.09 | maul | ok I have a moderately stupid question: my frame seems to have some kind of timeout, it disappeares after about a second |
| 13:46.16 | maul | is that normal, can I change it? |
| 13:46.41 | DWSR | maul: Does it disappear or change transparencies? |
| 13:47.07 | maul | you mean by my control? |
| 13:47.28 | DWSR | either yours or by some lib. |
| 13:47.32 | maul | no |
| 13:47.44 | maul | I just use the Show() function and it disappears after about a second |
| 13:48.09 | maul | I write some text on it, does that matter? |
| 13:48.21 | DWSR | I have no idea. Not a dev. |
| 13:48.24 | DWSR | At least not yet. |
| 13:48.26 | DWSR | anyway, poof |
| 13:49.03 | maul | right now I call the Show() function every second, but even like this I can see it blinking occasionally |
| 13:49.59 | nevcairiel | what kind of frame is it? |
| 13:50.29 | maul | uh... normal, no special type |
| 13:50.38 | maul | CreateFrame("cooldown",nil,UIParent) |
| 13:51.50 | nevcairiel | So a cooldown frame. |
| 13:52.17 | maul | hm |
| 13:52.33 | nevcairiel | as far as i know, those hide automatically when their set cooldown is over |
| 13:52.35 | maul | :) |
| 13:52.47 | maul | yes, seems so, just changed it to Frame:) |
| 13:53.00 | maul | (I kept thinking it was the name of the frame for some reason, not type) |
| 13:53.23 | nevcairiel | the name is the second argument |
| 13:53.25 | nevcairiel | your nil |
| 13:53.39 | maul | yeah I just looked up the reference |
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| 14:08.54 | cog|away | is gmail failing for anyone? |
| 14:09.18 | cog|away | ie & fx both get stuck with the "loading" bar half full |
| 14:09.24 | cog|away | well, half empty. :P |
| 14:09.31 | zenzelezz | works for me |
| 14:09.57 | nevcairiel | gmail has a loading bar? |
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| 14:11.42 | cog|away | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/loading.jpg |
| 14:12.20 | cog|away | switching it to https works... not sure why it suddenly stopped working... |
| 14:13.15 | cog|away | grr... it's still being funky... |
| 14:14.11 | cog|away | switched to the older UI and back and it works now... *sigh* |
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| 14:15.11 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:15.19 | DWSR | evening. |
| 14:17.02 | DWSR | How are you sir? |
| 14:17.58 | kneeki | Not too bad, yourself? |
| 14:18.33 | DWSR | Alright. |
| 14:18.46 | DWSR | Playing with my dedi server and setting it up for my guild's site. |
| 14:19.06 | DWSR | Hopefully going to get a copy of Vent for Linux as well, but from what I recall, I can't get like a 40 user license. :( |
| 14:19.47 | kneeki | I wish there were a vent for linux (client) |
| 14:20.09 | Kaso | i love how their website has had like "coming soon" for linux client for like four years |
| 14:20.18 | Kaso | "Linux - In development" |
| 14:20.30 | kneeki | mhmm |
| 14:20.32 | kneeki | Makes me sad |
| 14:20.57 | Coren{de} | linux TS client has the sound engine of 6? years ago, so... they could still catch up :> |
| 14:21.46 | Kaso | I havent tried vent in wine for a while, how is that nowadays? last i tried it worked pretty well except the crashes every so often, also i had to use a hacked together script to make push-to-talk work |
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| 14:25.46 | kneeki | Kaso: I've never had much luck with it. I could hear for the most part, but my mic wouldn't work |
| 14:25.57 | kneeki | But, that was like way back when |
| 14:26.05 | DWSR | Kaso: It works fine. |
| 14:26.08 | kneeki | Ubuntu 7.10 I think was the last time I've tried it. Lots have changed since then |
| 14:26.15 | DWSR | Need to run a script to pass your PTT to Vent, but other than that works fine. :) |
| 14:26.15 | Kaso | wine does come on leaps and bounds |
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| 14:26.33 | DWSR | It's a bit of a PITA to set up, but it doesn't work too badly. |
| 14:26.40 | DWSR | You need to use ALSA though. Doesn't work with OSS. |
| 14:26.51 | DWSR | (does anything work with OSS?) |
| 14:27.03 | Kraps | whats the hit cap for a disc priest? |
| 14:27.11 | DWSR | O_O |
| 14:27.20 | DWSR | The hit cap for spellcasters is 446. |
| 14:27.26 | DWSR | But why do you need hit for a disc priest? |
| 14:27.27 | nevcairiel | does any newer system even bother to use OSS? |
| 14:27.32 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Nope. |
| 14:27.35 | DWSR | PulseAudio\ |
| 14:27.37 | DWSR | Is the newest. |
| 14:27.57 | krka | alsa worked perfectly, i dont see why they changed to pulse |
| 14:28.02 | krka | it always fails me :/ |
| 14:28.05 | Kraps | DWSR: for when i do damage |
| 14:28.22 | nevcairiel | PulseAudio uses ALSA, afaik, though |
| 14:28.23 | DWSR | krka: Pulse allows interop between different abstraction layers |
| 14:28.40 | kneeki | Pulseaudio kicks the crap out of my Boxee =( |
| 14:28.41 | DWSR | You can have programs using OSS, ALSA, JACK, whatever. |
| 14:28.48 | DWSR | And it'll all route through Pulse. |
| 14:28.58 | DWSR | It's a good theory, but it currently needs work. |
| 14:29.08 | DWSR | Kraps: If you're doing damage, you shouldn't be disc. |
| 14:29.15 | krka | typical scenario |
| 14:29.19 | krka | 1) sound doesn't work |
| 14:29.25 | krka | 2) i kill pulseaudio |
| 14:29.29 | krka | 3) sound works |
| 14:29.52 | DWSR | krka: I haven't had a problem with Pulse to date. |
| 14:29.55 | Kraps | DWSR: i find shadow boring if you can believe it |
| 14:29.56 | Kaso | pulse can be a bit finickinity but its still fairly new |
| 14:30.03 | DWSR | Kraps: reroll. |
| 14:30.07 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:30.08 | DWSR | And be a warlock ^_^ |
| 14:30.09 | kneeki | Pulse will own faces once it matures further |
| 14:30.13 | DWSR | ^ |
| 14:30.18 | Kaso | cutting edge versions of pulse like you get with fedora10 work really quite well |
| 14:30.41 | Kraps | DWSR: that being said, i *do* heal in groups |
| 14:30.47 | krka | <kneeki> Pulse will own feces once it matures further <-- fixed it for you |
| 14:30.56 | DWSR | Kraps: If you're disc, you don't do damage. |
| 14:30.59 | kneeki | feces is stinky anyway |
| 14:31.08 | DWSR | Kraps: If you're shadow, you don't heal. |
| 14:31.18 | DWSR | If you're some hybrid shadow/disc, you just fail a lot. |
| 14:31.29 | Kraps | you're half wrong |
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| 14:32.00 | DWSR | not really. |
| 14:32.07 | DWSR | If you aren't leveling, you shouldn't be hybrid. |
| 14:32.52 | Kraps | ah but i am leveling |
| 14:32.56 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVcbuhxtrxsV0Rt0LZh |
| 14:33.07 | DWSR | what level are you at? |
| 14:33.12 | Kraps | 71 |
| 14:33.16 | DWSR | reroll. |
| 14:33.22 | DWSR | :P\ |
| 14:33.23 | Kraps | dude |
| 14:33.35 | DWSR | You don't need to worry about hit at 71 |
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| 14:34.02 | DWSR | Just take like 3 pieces of DPS caster gear and you're set. |
| 14:34.10 | Kraps | not from my experience |
| 14:34.24 | ZorbaTHut | I've never understood why not worry about hit at low levels |
| 14:34.34 | ZorbaTHut | you should at least pick up enough that you're not missing on par-level monsters |
| 14:34.42 | ZorbaTHut | it's not a *lot* of hit, but it makes a huge difference if you have it |
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| 14:35.07 | Kraps | do you know that every time you miss, god kills a kitten? |
| 14:35.25 | Kraps | true story |
| 14:35.44 | DWSR | It's like 100 hit. |
| 14:35.49 | DWSR | It's should be like 3-5 pieces of gear. |
| 14:35.53 | DWSR | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit#Hit_rating_caps_for_level_70_.26_80 <-- btw. |
| 14:36.10 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is that at low levels it can be really hard to find that gear |
| 14:36.34 | maul | hey, I have another simple question: how do I save a table as savedvariable? if I define it with pos = {} it doesn't seem to work (I assume it overwrites the saved one) |
| 14:36.35 | DWSR | Not at 70. |
| 14:36.39 | DWSR | I had like 250 hit at 70. |
| 14:36.43 | DWSR | then talents. |
| 14:36.53 | ZorbaTHut | was that after doing heroics, though, or was that just passing through 70 on the way to Northrend? |
| 14:36.57 | Kraps | Last Rites gives a good +hit staff |
| 14:37.07 | ZorbaTHut | because, yes, lv70 dungeon: lots of hit. lv70 questing: not so much hit. |
| 14:37.10 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Just passing through |
| 14:37.29 | DWSR | I did instance grinds until 68, then just went to northrend. |
| 14:37.31 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* your experience is different to mine, then, as I've got a Moonkin at lv71 with no hit besides talents |
| 14:37.41 | ZorbaTHut | (which, conveniently, is exactly as much as you need for on-par monsters) |
| 14:37.45 | DWSR | ^ |
| 14:37.54 | Kraps | an early tundra quest gives a +hit neckpieace |
| 14:38.07 | ZorbaTHut | but in the case of disc priests, I don't believe they have hit talents. In any case, my point is really that it's not something that comes automatically |
| 14:39.03 | DWSR | Kraps: Until you hit 80, don't bother stacking hit. |
| 14:39.14 | DWSR | It nerfs your healing, since you're picking up DPS caster gear. |
| 14:39.26 | Kraps | hmm |
| 14:39.40 | DWSR | If you want to dual-spec at 80, that's different. |
| 14:39.59 | Kraps | i have 65, guess thats enough then? |
| 14:40.02 | ZorbaTHut | I'd say, get enough hit to ensure that you have 4-5% added hit. Then don't worry about it. |
| 14:40.26 | DWSR | Kraps: Might want a bit more. |
| 14:40.30 | Kraps | thats 4.79 |
| 14:40.35 | ZorbaTHut | I'd say that's enough for now |
| 14:40.36 | DWSR | Oh right, rating scales. |
| 14:40.40 | ZorbaTHut | of course you'll need more as you level up |
| 14:40.42 | DWSR | Yeah, that' ought to be enough |
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| 14:43.06 | Kraps | dual-spec for my priest is a long way off, gotta get my warrior Arms geared first |
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| 14:43.30 | DWSR | Dual-spec at 40 was such a stupid idea. |
| 14:43.39 | DWSR | We have so many players running around that can't play their first spec. |
| 14:43.51 | Kraps | heh |
| 14:43.53 | nevcairiel | Whats the difference then? :) |
| 14:43.54 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure it's not meant for players on their first characters |
| 14:44.01 | ZorbaTHut | it's meant for players on their second or third or sixth |
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| 14:44.22 | nevcairiel | i'm going to get it on my first character though! |
| 14:44.28 | ZorbaTHut | when I level up my priest I'll gladly fork over the 1k for holy/shadow dualspec |
| 14:44.40 | nevcairiel | (which is 80, and been around since classic release day) |
| 14:45.06 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Then they should make it a requirement to have a level 80 toon on the account before picking up dual spec. |
| 14:45.10 | ZorbaTHut | alright, not meant for players at 40 leveling their first character ;) |
| 14:45.13 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, why? |
| 14:45.26 | ZorbaTHut | I think the 1000-gold cost is, in many ways, rather similar to that requirement already :P |
| 14:45.30 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 14:45.37 | DWSR | People buy gold all the time. |
| 14:45.44 | ZorbaTHut | what if the player left the game and is starting from zero? what if the player is just, you know, *actually smart*? |
| 14:45.49 | Kraps | srsly, mana-tombs where a pally and a warrior, neither of which have shields? QQ |
| 14:45.55 | ZorbaTHut | it's silly to penalize good players so that bad players can't do something *slightly stupid*. |
| 14:46.13 | Legorol | i think dual-spec at 40 is fine |
| 14:46.19 | nevcairiel | If bad players can't play one spec, it doesnt matter if they have a second spec they cant play |
| 14:46.20 | Legorol | Blizzard is rather good at hiding depth from beginners |
| 14:46.24 | nevcairiel | in the end, they just are bad |
| 14:46.25 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:46.28 | Legorol | a beginner is unlikely to encounter/worry about dual spec |
| 14:46.29 | ZorbaTHut | nev, exactly |
| 14:46.41 | Coren{de} | no matter what barrier you add, those who can't play now one spec properly, will continue to do so |
| 14:46.43 | Xinhuan | a beginner won't have 1000g. period. |
| 14:46.49 | ZorbaTHut | they'll be bad no matter what, it's not like being restricted to one spec at 40 is going to turn them into a 4000dps killing machine at 80 :P |
| 14:46.51 | Xinhuan | until he's at least lvl 70 |
| 14:47.03 | nevcairiel | You know how long i farmed for my nearly-1000g for my epic mount on 60? |
| 14:47.09 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Actually smart and understanding everything in the game are two different things. |
| 14:47.09 | nevcairiel | that was an epic amount ofm oney |
| 14:47.14 | DWSR | nevcairiel: ROFL |
| 14:47.20 | Legorol | Don't forget folks that this is, after all, a game, which many people play for fun, especially when they pick it up initially. You really don't have to overanalyse what happens at 40 |
| 14:47.21 | Xinhuan | yes, but if he's a true beginner, he won't even have been storing money |
| 14:47.28 | ZorbaTHut | they're still going to be saying "lol i have mp5 and sprit on my hunter so i dont run out of mana, duh" |
| 14:47.29 | DWSR | Don't start with me. Warlock epic mount quest. |
| 14:47.33 | Xinhuan | to know about the dual spec feature |
| 14:47.50 | AckisWork | omg Xinhuan |
| 14:47.53 | AckisWork | how i missed thee |
| 14:48.01 | DWSR | Xinhuan: See my point about buying gold. |
| 14:48.12 | Legorol | DWSR: i think a beginner is unlikely to buy gold |
| 14:48.14 | ZorbaTHut | (and strength so that i do more damage, what a nub) |
| 14:48.28 | DWSR | Legorol: Untrue. I know several that have done. |
| 14:48.33 | Legorol | in my experience, the people who buy gold are those that are familiar enough with the game already to actually have wishes/demands |
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| 14:48.42 | Legorol | DWSR: i didn't say there aren't exceptions |
| 14:48.43 | AckisWork | Legorol: and/or are lazy |
| 14:48.52 | ZorbaTHut | I would argue that people who buy gold fall largely into two categories |
| 14:49.01 | DWSR | Lazy or fail? :P |
| 14:49.01 | ZorbaTHut | those who know what they're doing and just don't want to grind, and those who want ez purpz |
| 14:49.11 | Legorol | the underlying thing about wanting to buy gold though is that you have to want to obtain expensive things in game |
| 14:49.13 | ZorbaTHut | the first group is going to make the right decision in any case, the second group is beyond help no matter what |
| 14:49.24 | AckisWork | ZorbaTHut: what group am I in?!?! |
| 14:49.26 | Legorol | someone who is picking this game up for the first time, very casually, for fun, won't have wants yet |
| 14:49.29 | ZorbaTHut | so, yes, lazy or fail, essentially ;) |
| 14:49.31 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: thats why i dont need a gun/bow duh |
| 14:49.34 | Kraps | :p |
| 14:49.34 | Coren{de} | it really makes no difference, because levelling to 80 is not different than earning 1000g, all it takes is time and barely some skill most of the time |
| 14:49.35 | DWSR | Legorol: Not neccessarily. |
| 14:49.50 | DWSR | Legorol: I WANT TO BUY THE WHOLE AUCTION HOUSE AND AM RETARDED ENOUGH TO WANT IT. |
| 14:49.51 | Legorol | DWSR: as i said, i'm talking about general trends, not specific exceptions |
| 14:50.08 | Coren{de} | DK, one could level to 80 just with autoattack ~ |
| 14:50.20 | DWSR | Coren{de}: lol |
| 14:50.25 | ZorbaTHut | coren, one could probably level to 80 with a random number generator |
| 14:50.27 | Legorol | Coren{de}: that's true for every class though |
| 14:50.29 | ZorbaTHut | it might take a bit, but :) |
| 14:50.33 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: But that would be botting. :P |
| 14:50.42 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, alright, hire a monkey |
| 14:50.43 | DWSR | Legorol: Not if you're a spell caster. :P |
| 14:50.50 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Sharing your account. :P |
| 14:50.56 | ZorbaTHut | the account will be in the monkey's name |
| 14:51.02 | DWSR | Still sharing your account. :P |
| 14:51.09 | DWSR | s/your/his/ |
| 14:51.12 | Legorol | DWSR: for any character you can just kill things of appropriately low level with autoattacks, and then stand still until your hp/mana regens |
| 14:51.16 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, it's the monkey's account, I won't be playing it |
| 14:51.18 | ZorbaTHut | I just want someone to raid with |
| 14:51.25 | DWSR | rofl Zorba |
| 14:51.45 | nevcairiel | They say you may not share the account information with "anyone", does a monkey qualify for that? =p |
| 14:51.51 | DWSR | Legorol: You cannot kill with autoattack at higher levels as a spellcaster. You will die first. |
| 14:51.54 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yes. |
| 14:52.03 | nevcairiel | I want a court decision on that. |
| 14:52.04 | DWSR | If you listen ot the animal activists. |
| 14:52.09 | AckisWork | ~dict anyone |
| 14:52.09 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, if autoattack includes wand, I suspect you could pull it off |
| 14:52.25 | ZorbaTHut | puts five points in Wand Specialization |
| 14:52.40 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: 300 DPS won't let you kill monsters in ice crown. |
| 14:52.47 | DWSR | No matter how much health you have. |
| 14:52.51 | nevcairiel | you don't need icecrown to get to 80 |
| 14:52.52 | Legorol | DWSR: i did say appropriately low level |
| 14:53.00 | Legorol | you can wand at level 70 mobs for xp |
| 14:53.06 | Kraps | DWSR: prot warrior? :p |
| 14:53.06 | DWSR | Legorol: Not at 79 |
| 14:53.15 | DWSR | Kraps: You wouldn't be using a wand. :P |
| 14:53.15 | nevcairiel | so get a 71, stop splitting hairs :P |
| 14:53.17 | Legorol | ok, then wand at level 71 or 72 or whatever |
| 14:53.23 | Kraps | oh ya lol |
| 14:53.33 | Legorol | point is, stupid statement is stupid |
| 14:53.50 | Legorol | DKs aren't the only class that can level with autoattacks, and even a DK with only autoattacks would have a looooot of downtime |
| 14:54.04 | nevcairiel | blood presence and go |
| 14:54.05 | AckisWork | Legorol: anything out of nevs mouth is stupid ;) |
| 14:54.24 | Legorol | nevcairiel: blood presence doesn't regen you fast enough to avoid downtime |
| 14:54.28 | DWSR | Legorol: Speaking of downtime, how come the only people with down time are mana users? |
| 14:54.33 | DWSR | Mana is a broken mechanic, QQ. |
| 14:54.42 | nevcairiel | other classes need to heal too |
| 14:55.05 | Legorol | DWSR: mana users (when specced for leveling) are supposed to be able to kill mobs quicker, and/or non-mana users are supposed to have to eat up |
| 14:55.06 | nevcairiel | A mana user can probably kill a mob before it reaches him |
| 14:55.15 | nevcairiel | so he has to regen that mana. A melee will get hit |
| 14:55.27 | Seerah | melee has to regen health ;) |
| 14:55.28 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, tell that to my prot warrior |
| 14:55.35 | DWSR | nevcairiel: See raiding. |
| 14:55.37 | Legorol | i'm not claiming the balance is perfect, but if you tried to level a warrior, you will see that yo uhave to eat quite a bit |
| 14:55.48 | DWSR | Legorol: Bandaids. :D |
| 14:55.54 | Legorol | *facepalm* |
| 14:55.59 | Seerah | ~lart DWSR |
| 14:55.59 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that DWSR is stuck to the floor |
| 14:55.59 | ZorbaTHut | in raiding, it really comes down to "everyone besides healers gets healed by healers" |
| 14:56.00 | Legorol | that's still downtime, pit nicker |
| 14:56.06 | ZorbaTHut | so, yeah, only people with mp have to drink :) |
| 14:56.12 | Kraps | if i wear full tank gear and fight one mob at a time, the net effect is that i will stay at or near 100% health all the time |
| 14:56.27 | Legorol | Kraps: where do you gain your health from? |
| 14:56.37 | Legorol | last time i checked, a warrior never gains health except from ooc regen |
| 14:56.39 | nevcairiel | you just dont lose any |
| 14:56.39 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, passive regen at that point, actually |
| 14:56.40 | DWSR | Legorol: Bloodrage? |
| 14:56.41 | Kraps | stack spirit |
| 14:56.45 | Kraps | J/K |
| 14:56.57 | ZorbaTHut | ooc regen is plenty in many cases, and if you're draenai, Gift makes up most of what's level |
| 14:56.59 | ZorbaTHut | *left |
| 14:57.00 | Legorol | DWSR: when did bloodrage give health? |
| 14:57.01 | Coren{de} | I'm just saying that I'm honestly sour that a DK got so much from the feral bag and does it mostly better, harder, cheaper and non-interactive |
| 14:57.24 | Legorol | Coren{de}: but a druid has a caster and a resto tree to add to it |
| 14:57.27 | Legorol | which a dk doesn't |
| 14:57.28 | DWSR | Legorol: I don't know what the talent/ability is called, but IIRC Fury has an ability that gives health back for attacking? |
| 14:57.28 | Kraps | Legorol: yeah ooc regen |
| 14:57.29 | Legorol | so go QQ more |
| 14:57.44 | Legorol | DWSR: that'd be bloodthirst, and it's miniscule health regen |
| 14:57.46 | nevcairiel | imho a feral druid is still one of the strongest classes for solo play |
| 14:57.49 | Coren{de} | Legorol, even Blizzard took only 2 years to understand that your argument holds no water |
| 14:57.57 | DWSR | Legorol: Miniscule health regen for miniscule health lost. |
| 14:58.01 | Kraps | DWSR: i'm prot specced too |
| 14:58.02 | Legorol | Coren{de}: that depends on who you ask |
| 14:58.03 | DWSR | QEB, no downtime. |
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| 14:58.06 | DWSR | QED* |
| 14:58.31 | Kraps | so no bloodthirst |
| 14:58.31 | Legorol | The thing with multi-role (i deliberately avoid the use of "hybrid" here) is that it depends on what the person intends to do with his/her character(s) |
| 14:58.46 | Legorol | there are many people who roll a character that is capable of a number of roles (eg. druid), but are only interested in playing one of them, ever |
| 14:58.54 | Legorol | and instead roll alts for other roles |
| 14:59.10 | Legorol | conversely, there are many people who roll a character and want to try all the roles that character is capable of |
| 14:59.12 | DWSR | Frankly, I'm totally against hybrids doing on par DPS. |
| 14:59.15 | DWSR | or on par anything. |
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| 14:59.21 | Legorol | one reason might be prefering to stick to one char, or avoiding regrinding rep |
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| 14:59.33 | Legorol | DWSR: actually I'm for it, for several reasons |
| 14:59.37 | Legorol | the two main reasons are: |
| 14:59.41 | Coren{de} | Legorol: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137184090&sid=1&pageNo=8#152 |
| 14:59.59 | Legorol | 1) without near on-par dps, hybrids in dps role would get the shaft in raids |
| 15:00.20 | Legorol | 2) the game is over 4 years old now. don't penalise someone for a class choice they made 4 years ago (i think this is the most imporatnt thing) |
| 15:00.36 | Legorol | point 2 doesn't get discussed much openly, but i'm fairly certain that Blizz considers that behind the scenes |
| 15:00.49 | Coren{de} | DWSR, I'm totally against pure ranged dpsers doing even 70% of melee dpsers |
| 15:00.56 | Legorol | in order to retain customers who happened to chose a hybrid 4 years ago, they must make the roles they chose to play look attractive |
| 15:01.19 | Coren{de} | DWSR, especially with a positional requirement (backstab) |
| 15:02.11 | DWSR | Coren{de}: If anything, I'm the reverse. If you wear plate, you do less DPS. It's been like that since D&D. You trade survivability for DPS potential. |
| 15:02.15 | Kraps | why does the 2nd tier of the holy tree (priest) suck so much? |
| 15:02.25 | Legorol | I'm completely happy with Blizzard's current approach to hybrids: if given identical, ideal circumstances, a hybrid in a dps role will lose to a pure dps. However, in practice, gear and skill make a bigger difference, big enough that you can't tell the small amount of bias that non-hybrids have. |
| 15:02.45 | ZorbaTHut | I really feel like the only difference between "plate survivability" and "non-plate survivability" should be where your survivability comes from |
| 15:02.46 | AckisWork | Kraps: isn't that the faster heal/inspiration part? |
| 15:02.57 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, rogues, for example, get huge piles of dodge that dps warriors can't even hope for |
| 15:03.09 | Coren{de} | DWSR, sure, but if you want D&D-rules, then we have to remove taunt out of the game |
| 15:03.11 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: i agree, and i think that to a large extent that's in the game already. |
| 15:03.21 | DWSR | Legorol: wrong. |
| 15:03.24 | Legorol | casters often have snares, shield abilities and other escape mechanisms |
| 15:03.27 | ZorbaTHut | cloth classes generally get defensive abilities, while plate dps generally doesn't (with the exception of death knights :P) |
| 15:03.30 | Coren{de} | DWSR, so the plate mitigation for dpsers makes any difference whatsoever |
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| 15:03.38 | Kraps | AckisWork: half a second on greater heal for 5 points? meh |
| 15:03.39 | ZorbaTHut | and yeah, it's somewhat in the game. I don't know if it's intentional or not |
| 15:03.39 | batrick | Legorol: did you get my message earlier about upvalues? |
| 15:03.48 | Wobin | ahaha: http://www.ironicsans.com/2008/02/idea_a_new_typography_term.html |
| 15:03.49 | Wobin | win ^ |
| 15:03.52 | Legorol | batrick: i believe i didn't |
| 15:03.57 | DWSR | Again, we come back to warlocks and priests. |
| 15:04.08 | batrick | one sec |
| 15:04.09 | DWSR | I do not have defensive abilities. |
| 15:04.12 | DWSR | Except DT, which fails. |
| 15:04.13 | DWSR | HARD. |
| 15:04.19 | Coren{de} | Legorol, as a feral I'm just not seeing that Blizz is holding their promise. I have yet to see one WWS where the feral is not doing less than 60% of the top dpser |
| 15:04.21 | Kraps | dt? |
| 15:04.35 | DWSR | ~spell Demonic Teleport |
| 15:04.46 | DWSR | Oh, nevermind. |
| 15:05.04 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48020 |
| 15:05.08 | Legorol | Coren{de}: why are you comparing to the top dps-er though? compare to the average dps, and tell me where the feral stands relative to that |
| 15:05.12 | Kraps | Coren{de}: boomkin are cooler :) |
| 15:05.14 | DWSR | 30 sec CD, only breakssnares. |
| 15:05.31 | Legorol | also, have you accounted for all circumstances: is the feral actually specced for dps (as opposed to bear), does he have good enough gear, is he playing well etc. |
| 15:05.32 | DWSR | Unlike mages, whose blink breaks pretty much everything, and they have ice block, which does. |
| 15:06.17 | Legorol | the thing is, the arguments over hybrids can never be resolved, simply because it comes down to a fundamental design limitation: players. |
| 15:06.24 | Legorol | players will generally min/max and optimize |
| 15:06.51 | Legorol | the game has evolved so much that true hybrid roles/specs are basically nonexistent in raiding |
| 15:07.06 | DWSR | Legorol: OT? |
| 15:07.12 | DWSR | Legorol: They DPS when not needed. |
| 15:07.24 | Legorol | DWSR: yes, OT is the closest to that, and it varies from guild to guild how they resolve that |
| 15:07.30 | Legorol | however, in my experience in practice the solution is: |
| 15:07.34 | Coren{de} | Legorol, the WWSes I looked up, I checked the spec/gear as well, also if they actually dpsed and not off-tanked; it's just not the "should be doing similar damage" by any reasonable definition of similar |
| 15:07.41 | Legorol | if you are not too hardcore guild, just get them to spec prot, and do close to 0 dps |
| 15:07.43 | batrick | 09:38:05<batrick> Legorol: upvalues (the actual struct) are made at runtime when the closure is created. The upvalue possibly already exists and may be reused. |
| 15:07.46 | batrick | 09:38:48<batrick> The compiler only marks blocks (do ... end) as containing upvalues so an appropriate OP_CLOSE opcode is placed where necessary. |
| 15:07.49 | Legorol | if you are a hardcore guild, sit them out when less tanks are needed |
| 15:08.14 | Kraps | where did the get 83% from? http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=15336 |
| 15:08.19 | DWSR | Legorol: In my experience, they spec prot and just throw DPS gear on. |
| 15:08.32 | Legorol | exactly |
| 15:08.33 | DWSR | Legorol: And they don't do 0 DPS. They aren't top, but it's something. |
| 15:08.41 | Legorol | ok 0 was an exaggeration |
| 15:08.52 | Legorol | but what if they don't have dps gear? |
| 15:09.00 | Legorol | or it's crap |
| 15:09.22 | DWSR | Then you can't count them as DPS. :P |
| 15:09.25 | DWSR | as a player. |
| 15:09.26 | Legorol | a lot of the hybrid arguments arise from there being no true answer, because there are people who play the game differently |
| 15:09.32 | Legorol | DWSR: they are still your OT |
| 15:09.40 | nevcairiel | We have no concepts of OTs |
| 15:09.44 | nevcairiel | We just have tanks. |
| 15:09.52 | Legorol | nevcairiel: my guild is the same |
| 15:09.52 | nevcairiel | And every encoutner requires X tanks. |
| 15:09.56 | Legorol | we rotate which tank does what |
| 15:10.18 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I'd like to take that approach, but different situations require different tanks, mostly because our gear level isn't top yet. |
| 15:10.23 | nevcairiel | The closest to an OT we have is our dps-feral druid that tanks on trash sometiems |
| 15:10.29 | Kraps | WHOA http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=57472 |
| 15:10.32 | Legorol | however, i am usually running around with a hybrid dps/tank spec, and i always ask to be put in OT role |
| 15:10.59 | nevcairiel | DWSR: the current raid content doesnt really require anything |
| 15:11.10 | Legorol | the only reason i get away with that is because most people in my guild don't know anything about DKs :) |
| 15:11.14 | nevcairiel | except maybe a hp-tank on sarth+3 |
| 15:11.26 | nevcairiel | but you have enough other tank jobs on that fight |
| 15:11.41 | cog|away | is it wrong of me to want to buy pure caffeine so i can caffeinate my favorite non-caffeinated sodas? |
| 15:11.47 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah,but at the same time, we rotate who's tankign the instance. People respec. |
| 15:11.53 | Legorol | batrick: thanks for the explanation, but i already had a big discussion with krka yesterday |
| 15:12.03 | nevcairiel | We have tanks, they are tanks. If they want to come to a raid, they do so as tank spec. |
| 15:12.12 | nevcairiel | No random respeccing |
| 15:12.25 | DWSR | nevcairiel: But they do. Hencedual-spec. |
| 15:12.26 | Legorol | he also pointed out that the struct is created when the variable is declared, because you don't know if a closure will be instantiated or not that uses that upvalue |
| 15:12.34 | DWSR | s/edu/e du/ |
| 15:13.11 | nevcairiel | We usually have enough players that signed up to be DPS, we don't need some tank that decided that tanking it too boring for the day |
| 15:13.28 | nevcairiel | He can DPS on his own time .) |
| 15:13.35 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i think DWSR is referring to situations where you have differing numbers of tanks needed per fight (eg. Naxx) |
| 15:13.42 | Legorol | you may not want to swap people in and out for each boss |
| 15:13.52 | nevcairiel | We do, usually. |
| 15:14.01 | Legorol | you might do, but lot of groups don't |
| 15:14.11 | Legorol | swapping out all your tanks but one for Sapph means they don't get loot |
| 15:14.26 | Kraps | Legorol: mind linking your armory? |
| 15:14.27 | DWSR | indeed. |
| 15:14.28 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 15:14.32 | DWSR | Oh shit. |
| 15:14.33 | DWSR | It's Cog. |
| 15:14.48 | Legorol | Kraps: i don't mind at all, but it's not very educational :0 |
| 15:14.51 | batrick | Legorol: I know you did, but some of the things that were said were incorrect. |
| 15:15.02 | Kraps | Legorol: err |
| 15:15.04 | Legorol | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silvermoon&n=Valrieca |
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| 15:15.36 | Kraps | thats your main? |
| 15:15.40 | Legorol | one of them :) |
| 15:15.48 | Legorol | i have a less strict concept of a main than most people |
| 15:15.55 | DWSR | The other thing too is that sometimes people find that the're better at role Y than role X. |
| 15:15.56 | Legorol | due to emotional attachment to several characters |
| 15:15.59 | Legorol | this is the one that's most progressed |
| 15:16.26 | AckisWork | cog|work: my goal today is to comment on everything you do on facebook now :P |
| 15:16.28 | DWSR | They come to the guild as a tank, then get to DPS sometimes in some 10 mans, and realize that they are much better at it. |
| 15:16.44 | DWSR | So, they move DPS. If you never allow the chance to come as a different roll, then you can never find out where people are best. |
| 15:16.46 | Kraps | i need those bracers /sigh |
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| 15:17.06 | cog|work | AckisWork: woot! free advertising! |
| 15:17.19 | Kraps | or the naxx ones |
| 15:17.29 | nevcairiel | DWSR: we want to progress in raiding, we assume people know how to play their char when joining. Its their decision to do 10mans, in any case =) |
| 15:17.39 | AckisWork | cog|work: totally dude! |
| 15:18.23 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Just because they know how to be role X, doesn't mean they aren't better at role Y. |
| 15:18.38 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Sometimes you just find a play style that fits like a glove and you can max it better than you can with a tank. |
| 15:18.42 | DWSR | Good enough isn't best. |
| 15:18.48 | DWSR | You only need to be good enough to progress. |
| 15:19.29 | nevcairiel | by "know how to play their char" i don't mean "know how to play their role", they know their char, and know which spec they _want_ to play, hence which they are good at. |
| 15:20.01 | DWSR | nevcairiel: and what happens when that spec gets nerfed? |
| 15:20.06 | DWSR | like Affliction locks next patch. |
| 15:20.16 | DWSR | I'm respecing. |
| 15:20.26 | nevcairiel | You're still the same role. |
| 15:20.42 | nevcairiel | They will never nerf a complete role of some class into oblivion |
| 15:20.43 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Better example, feral DPs. |
| 15:20.53 | Legorol | batrick: which bits were wrong specifically? |
| 15:21.02 | DWSR | nerf, want to spec boomkin |
| 15:21.05 | DWSR | New set of gear, completely. |
| 15:21.07 | DWSR | Same roll. |
| 15:21.08 | DWSR | role* |
| 15:21.20 | nevcairiel | feral dps was actually buffed in 3.1 |
| 15:21.28 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I'm saying theoretically. |
| 15:21.34 | DWSR | I know that feral was buffed in 3.1 |
| 15:21.38 | Aelobin | could some Lua pr0 help me try figure out how to get captures to work in http://pastey.net/111930 - it works without captures |
| 15:21.48 | DWSR | (You could make the reverse argument and go from lazer chicken to feral). |
| 15:21.54 | nevcairiel | If you want to change spec just because your class doesnt top the meters anymore, you're not right in our guild. |
| 15:21.55 | Aelobin | basically if you put <hi|hello> in the pattern itll do "hi" or "hello" |
| 15:22.30 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I'm respecing Affliction because the playstyle is getting changed, not because the DPS output is getting nerfed. |
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| 15:22.44 | DWSR | Rotation of 6 dots fun. |
| 15:22.48 | DWSR | rotation of 3 = boring. |
| 15:23.01 | nevcairiel | I play a resto druid, and i'll always play it, no matter how they change it. |
| 15:23.19 | DWSR | difference of opinions I suppose. |
| 15:23.25 | DWSR | Anyway, be back in a bit. *poof* |
| 15:23.34 | batrick | Legorol|alt: What I linked having said earlier should clear up what was wrong. |
| 15:24.07 | Legorol | Kraps: if you are looking at my armory, i'm currently specced for a highly specialised role: tanking adds on 3D |
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| 15:24.55 | batrick | In particular, the compiler makes no changes to outer functions concerning upvalues except to add an OP_CLOSE when leaving the upvalue's scope |
| 15:25.09 | batrick | Upvalues are handled at runtime mostly. |
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| 15:27.31 | Kraps | do you ever log onto a toon to get away from guildys? |
| 15:27.35 | Kraps | :/ |
| 15:28.00 | Legorol | batrick: ah ok, so a particular local variable isn't marked in any way "special"? |
| 15:28.00 | Legorol | and it's a pure run-time decision which (if any) of them gets referenced by an upvalue |
| 15:28.00 | Legorol | that makes more sense to me, which is why i was a bit surprised by krka's explanation (although both implementations should work) |
| 15:28.22 | batrick | Yes that's how it works. |
| 15:28.52 | nevcairiel | actually the compiler should already be able to mark upvalues |
| 15:29.04 | Legorol | it's possible that krka's implementation of KaLua is slightly different, which is why he might have been describing the way he described it |
| 15:29.36 | Legorol | nevcairiel: that's true, but there doesn't need to be a need to take any steps regarding them at compile time (except at the end of the block) |
| 15:29.45 | Legorol | too many needs there :) |
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| 15:32.13 | Legorol | Kraps: I never do that, but then again, I don't have to read guild chat :) |
| 15:32.34 | Legorol | also, i do like to be able to read guild chat |
| 15:33.09 | Legorol | as for fending off guild members whispering you, i do /dnd when i don't want to be moderately disturbed, and /afk (followed by ignoring whispers) if i really don't want to be disturbed |
| 15:33.29 | Kraps | heh |
| 15:33.50 | Legorol | yes, i have /afk-d by accident in BGs before because i was getting whispered too much :) |
| 15:34.05 | Legorol | but i'm generally rather good at filtering out things that i don't want to bother me |
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| 15:35.36 | Kraps | well for some reason i'm playing my level 9 pally now |
| 15:35.48 | Shadowed | foxlit: What's wrong with the design of PB? |
| 15:36.08 | Shadowed | if you have a suggestion for a better design I'm happy to listen |
| 15:36.15 | Legorol | kraps: it is sometimes a nice thing to log to an unguilded/different guild char when you want to get away completey from the impressions/atmosphere of your main char |
| 15:36.19 | Legorol | that includes its guild too |
| 15:36.25 | Legorol | it's a liberating experience :) |
| 15:36.36 | Legorol | but i never feel "forced" out of the char i actually want to play |
| 15:36.59 | Kraps | when you put it that way... i agree |
| 15:37.20 | Legorol | there is nothing to agree/disagree over i don't think, it's a highly subjective preference |
| 15:37.39 | Legorol | taking brakes and changing as many things as possible about your environment is often fun |
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| 15:37.59 | Legorol | hm, i get DC-d when trying to log to Dala |
| 15:38.11 | Legorol | I know, QH is now so good, it can DC you in Dala even if you don't have it installed! |
| 15:38.18 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:38.32 | Kraps | use carbonite |
| 15:38.36 | Legorol | Blizzard's Failed City Management: |
| 15:38.49 | Legorol | Step 1: put all members of one faction in one city. Call it Ironforge. |
| 15:39.00 | Legorol | Step 2: add the other faction to the mix. Call it Shattrath. |
| 15:39.21 | Legorol | Step 3: reduce the area occupied and up the poly count considerably. Call it Dalaran. |
| 15:39.27 | zenzelezz | add 500 mailboxes, call it Dalaran |
| 15:39.30 | DWSR | Legorol: Was about to mention that. :_) |
| 15:39.31 | cog|work | Can PCIe 2 devices be used on PCIe 1.1 motherboards? |
| 15:39.51 | Kraps | Legorol: reroll your pc :D |
| 15:39.55 | DWSR | cog|work: PCI express? |
| 15:39.59 | cog|work | DWSR: yar |
| 15:40.10 | DWSR | That's PCI-E |
| 15:40.14 | cog|work | meh |
| 15:40.19 | Legorol | cog|work: I'd go by the age old and tested method: if it fits the slot, then yes :) |
| 15:40.20 | DWSR | 6 of 1, etc. |
| 15:40.25 | nevcairiel | puts a smart-ass sign on DWSR |
| 15:40.37 | Kraps | yeah so the change to Seals was way overdue |
| 15:40.41 | Legorol | usually when there is a serious hardware incompatibility, designers change the form on purpose |
| 15:40.45 | cog|work | Legorol: and does it? :P |
| 15:40.54 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#PCI_Express_2.0 <- Yes |
| 15:40.54 | Legorol | cog|work: i wouldn't know, depends on how strong you are :) |
| 15:41.14 | cog|work | ty rawr |
| 15:41.17 | DWSR | cog|work: :) |
| 15:43.14 | Kraps | whats stats for a ret pally? |
| 15:43.28 | Kraps | s/whats/what/ |
| 15:43.55 | DWSR | Kraps: www.elitistjerks.com |
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| 15:45.40 | Kraps | k |
| 15:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "You don't like me very much, do you?" "No. Was it required? ... sir." |
| 15:47.51 | Aelobin | woot got it to work http://pastey.net/111936 :D |
| 15:47.55 | Aelobin | lua> http://pastey.net/111936 |
| 15:47.56 | lua_bot | Aelobin: string |
| 15:51.48 | Wraithan1 | Any |
| 15:51.50 | Wraithan1 | oops |
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| 15:53.55 | cog|work | station |
| 15:54.18 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 15:54.25 | Legorol | cog|work vs. Lunessa, 1-0 |
| 15:54.42 | cog|work | nah.. more like 8-150 |
| 15:54.49 | Lunessa | ZOMG EVERYTHING IS BETTER IN CAPS. |
| 15:54.58 | cog|work | NO U! |
| 15:55.04 | Lunessa | see? |
| 15:55.05 | cog|work | IMO |
| 15:58.25 | Lunessa | I should have brought the CD in from the car... the song I was listening too is stuck in my head. |
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| 16:01.18 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: *hug*hug*hug* |
| 16:01.25 | AckisWork | PENIS > STATION > station |
| 16:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ........... |
| 16:02.09 | Seerah | yeah....... |
| 16:02.18 | Shadowed | Ackis are you really on Illidan? |
| 16:02.19 | Seerah | too far, Ackis |
| 16:02.29 | Legorol | cool, i didn't know that penis is a form of greeting too! |
| 16:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Reminds me of junior/senior year |
| 16:02.54 | Legorol | i'm not a native speaker.. you learn something every day |
| 16:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Where multiple people in my grade level had consistent "penis competitions" |
| 16:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | In large public areas |
| 16:07.03 | Lunessa | sbo - That's a good way to be come injured, arrested, and/or both. |
| 16:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: in this case, no. Something tells me you aren't familiar with the... 'game' |
| 16:08.13 | Lunessa | Something tells me I don't wish to be familiar with it. |
| 16:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Where multiple people (not limited to males) start off one by one saying "penis" with each person getting louder and louder until someone wusses out |
| 16:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Hallways, auditorium, school wide events, etc |
| 16:09.27 | Lunessa | sounds pretty lame. |
| 16:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It was inherently dangerous, as obviously, the goal is to get louder and louder... which attracts more attention |
| 16:10.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ... from the school administration |
| 16:11.05 | Seerah | oh - I remember that "game" now |
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| 16:15.42 | AckisWork | Shadowed: I was on illidan, not any longer |
| 16:15.52 | AckisWork | Seerah: I never go too far!!! kekekekekekek |
| 16:15.57 | Shadowed | oh good, thought I was going to have to share the server with a crazy person |
| 16:16.06 | AckisWork | Shadowed: lol horde or alliance? |
| 16:16.08 | Seerah | lol |
| 16:16.09 | Shadowed | horde |
| 16:16.17 | AckisWork | nymbia is on there as well |
| 16:16.20 | AckisWork | I was horde |
| 16:16.21 | AckisWork | Team Ice |
| 16:16.36 | AckisWork | then I quit playing pretty much after we got KJ killed |
| 16:16.36 | Shadowed | yea, friend in TI thats how I realized you used to be on it :P |
| 16:16.45 | AckisWork | ah who is it/ |
| 16:16.52 | AckisWork | (your friend) |
| 16:16.55 | AckisWork | most of them hate me |
| 16:16.57 | Shadowed | haha |
| 16:17.06 | Shadowed | joined after you quit, so you wouldn't know her I'd imagine |
| 16:17.12 | AckisWork | ah |
| 16:17.23 | AckisWork | team ice is the guild htat I had blocked in most of my mods rofl |
| 16:17.30 | Shadowed | bad ackis |
| 16:17.33 | AckisWork | :D |
| 16:17.37 | AckisWork | I think I removed it |
| 16:17.39 | AckisWork | in ARL at least |
| 16:17.44 | Lunessa | I originally played on Illidan. Then I remembered how much I loathe PvP. |
| 16:17.47 | AckisWork | I got fancy and used escape code |
| 16:18.31 | AckisWork | my gf was also in TI... ironically that's how we met... internet e-dating, and I guess she liked my PENIS so she moved out here with me lol :P (had to penis kekek) |
| 16:19.00 | Seerah | o.O |
| 16:19.05 | Seerah | is that english? |
| 16:19.13 | AckisWork | i'm totally ADDing today |
| 16:19.23 | nevcairiel | thats all she liked about you? kinda sad, imho |
| 16:19.23 | Seerah | you are off the wall |
| 16:19.25 | AckisWork | we got accepted to be animal fosters today I think |
| 16:19.31 | Seerah | oooh |
| 16:19.36 | Shadowed | I figured he was always like this |
| 16:19.37 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: she liked my charming good looks and personality too |
| 16:19.43 | AckisWork | Shadowed: usually, not always |
| 16:19.58 | Seerah | how did she like you with all the stitches? :P |
| 16:20.04 | AckisWork | you know nymbia tho right? he's alliance mage |
| 16:20.12 | AckisWork | she wasn't around then, she just sees the scars now |
| 16:20.19 | Shadowed | nope, recently transferred about 2 months ago |
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| 16:20.47 | AckisWork | when I had those stitches Seerah I was teasing my nephew and he was "be good uncle or i'll give you more stitches" lol |
| 16:20.54 | Seerah | haha |
| 16:21.23 | AckisWork | yah it was wicked |
| 16:21.48 | AckisWork | Shadowed: I wonder if TI is recruiting priests *snickers* :P |
| 16:21.53 | Shadowed | not anymore :p |
| 16:22.04 | AckisWork | was a joke |
| 16:22.06 | AckisWork | :P |
| 16:22.16 | Shadowed | it's hard to tell with you |
| 16:22.23 | AckisWork | true |
| 16:22.28 | AckisWork | just nod and agree |
| 16:22.29 | AckisWork | and say penis |
| 16:22.33 | AckisWork | then things will be good |
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| 16:22.35 | Aelobin | penis |
| 16:22.37 | Shadowed | thats not as interesting |
| 16:22.57 | AckisWork | is BL still #1 btw/ |
| 16:23.15 | Shadowed | beliee so |
| 16:23.17 | Shadowed | believe even |
| 16:23.43 | Fisker- | slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:24.12 | AckisWork | I was talking to their gl after I quit TI/wow and was thinking of coming back... didn't know her too well, so I was being polite and shit... "excuse me, can I have a moment of your time" and shit like that |
| 16:24.19 | AckisWork | she was like "wait... ackis... did you ebay?" |
| 16:24.20 | AckisWork | lol |
| 16:24.57 | AckisWork | wow I feel like i just downed a couple 5 hour energies... |
| 16:25.07 | Shadowed | it shows |
| 16:25.13 | Seerah | must be the thought of puppies and kitties |
| 16:25.28 | AckisWork | they just busted a puppy mill here |
| 16:25.45 | Seerah | :( for puppy mills, yay for bust |
| 16:25.55 | AckisWork | was sad |
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| 16:26.52 | Kraps | imo self-buffs should have no timer |
| 16:28.22 | AckisWork | gah 90 minutes of meetins now... must site still ahhhhh |
| 16:29.33 | Kraps | k so i cant solo hogger |
| 16:30.04 | Kraps | not enough mana for heals |
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| 16:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 16:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | http://lonesysadmin.net/2009/04/08/its-530-am-do-you-know-where-your-sysadmin-is/ |
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| 16:48.29 | Lunessa | "On that day, I change my vm to âThis is David got hit by a bus day. I hope youâre preparedâ. :)" |
| 16:48.51 | Aelobin | oh hai Lunessa :) |
| 16:48.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought you'd enjoy that |
| 16:48.56 | Lunessa | hai |
| 16:49.29 | Lunessa | sbo - totally. especially since they now have me on alerts for systems I didn't have to worry about in the past. |
| 16:50.45 | Kraps | Rawr is in-game? |
| 16:50.45 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 16:51.00 | Kraps | ... |
| 16:51.06 | Aelobin | tells ecs no, not going to happen! |
| 16:51.21 | Lunessa | Kraps, there is an AddOn called that, yes. |
| 16:51.48 | Kraps | is it better that ratingsbuster? :0 |
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| 16:57.09 | Kraps | say i have a druid, how do i prevent bear abilities from appearing twice in Dominoes? |
| 16:57.35 | mikma | disable the barswapping on another bar |
| 16:58.10 | Kraps | how? |
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| 17:00.18 | Lunessa | Kraps: http://code.google.com/p/tullamods/wiki/Dominos |
| 17:00.38 | Kraps | thanks |
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| 17:16.40 | Lunessa | This just in. |Jelly| doesn't have kids, fire is still hot, Ackis is random, and Lunessa is a jerk. |
| 17:16.40 | nevcairiel | what |
| 17:17.46 | Kraps | ohh i love randomness |
| 17:18.15 | Kraps | is best proto-drake stealer! |
| 17:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thank you, captain obvious? |
| 17:19.39 | Lunessa | Night - see: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=442898772&sid=1&pageNo=6#115 |
| 17:19.52 | NightHawkTheSane | can i not? |
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| 17:21.33 | Lunessa | If you prefer. |
| 17:22.33 | KarlKFI | ~logs |
| 17:22.34 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
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| 17:40.36 | Kraps | so leveling a druid is really hard before level 20 |
| 17:41.20 | mikma | who said that |
| 17:41.38 | Kraps | kraps |
| 17:41.44 | mikma | he must suck then |
| 17:41.55 | Kraps | WHAT |
| 17:41.59 | mikma | he must suck then |
| 17:42.05 | Kraps | oh |
| 17:43.12 | Lunessa | leveling a druid is ez-mode. Leveling is ezx-mode. |
| 17:43.28 | NeoTron | leveling isn't HARD before 20 but it's not fun |
| 17:43.35 | mikma | lua> print(string.upper("he must suck then")) |
| 17:43.36 | lua_bot | mikma: HE MUST SUCK THEN |
| 17:43.41 | NeoTron | many classes have really slow and boring first 20 levels |
| 17:43.42 | mikma | hehe ^^ |
| 17:44.13 | Lunessa | *coiugh* Paladin *cough* |
| 17:44.20 | ronghail | recruit a friend. 3x xp to 60 |
| 17:44.41 | NeoTron | priest too |
| 17:44.45 | NeoTron | and frankly shaman as well |
| 17:44.50 | AckisWork | Lunessa: i'm random? |
| 17:45.03 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 17:45.17 | theorbtwo | Hm, I haven't found the shaman I'm leveling... wait. Yes, I kind of have. |
| 17:45.24 | Lunessa | 3x XP is awesome. I'm doing it now, 2-boxing a shaman and a druid. |
| 17:45.27 | AckisWork | i'm confused too |
| 17:45.28 | theorbtwo | Doesn't that have an awful lot to do with race, though? |
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| 17:47.14 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.22 | NeoTron | and with rough I mean slow |
| 17:50.02 | Kraps | buff bear form |
| 17:50.38 | theorbtwo | I was doing fine until I hit a couple of "go kill some shit" quests where it was hard to find the things in question. |
| 17:50.55 | theorbtwo | ...which is all about the quest, not the class. |
| 17:51.22 | theorbtwo | Anyway, girlfriend is home. Later. |
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| 18:10.38 | ZorbaTHut | leveling a druid sucks horribly before level 20 :P |
| 18:10.48 | ZorbaTHut | here is a monster, cast wrath on it a lot |
| 18:10.49 | mikma | no it doesn't |
| 18:10.49 | ZorbaTHut | good job |
| 18:10.57 | mikma | you get bear-form at lvl10 |
| 18:11.04 | Seerah | *nod* *nod* |
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| 18:11.22 | Kraps | and bear is leet right? |
| 18:11.23 | Seerah | up to lvl 10 it's boring |
| 18:11.26 | Coren{de} | you could also root and moonfire a bit, for flavors! |
| 18:11.26 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't really find bear form effective for a while, myself |
| 18:11.30 | mikma | <2111> <@Seerah> up to lvl 10 it's boring |
| 18:11.35 | mikma | truth has been told right there. |
| 18:11.35 | Seerah | it's different from wrath... wrath... wrath |
| 18:11.58 | Kraps | maybe i need a new rotation |
| 18:12.17 | Kraps | root and moonfire then bear |
| 18:12.29 | Seerah | heck, even the bear dance makes it more entertaining :) |
| 18:12.44 | mikma | and that's why they pay you the big bucks! |
| 18:13.03 | Seerah | huggles mikma |
| 18:13.43 | Coren{de} | anyone know a nice bar mod for cat dps? I suck at keeping track of remaining time on sr, rip, mangle :( |
| 18:14.07 | Seerah | try on button information at wowi |
| 18:14.27 | Seerah | you can set it up to show a timer for those debuffs right on your button |
| 18:14.36 | Seerah | (if that's where you wish to be looking for that information) |
| 18:15.00 | Kraps | oh thats cool |
| 18:15.06 | ZorbaTHut | coren, I've heard Event Horizon + Hear Kitty is excellent |
| 18:15.46 | Coren{de} | OmniCC (and X-Perl) already show timers, but that's numbers, not bars, and when I got 15 raid buffs, I always get lost in finding SR again :| |
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| 18:16.44 | Seerah | Coren{de}: you said "bar mod", so OBI was what I thought of first. If you want a bar timer addon, then try one of many - ClassTimers, ElkBuffBars (you'll have to set it up customly), etc |
| 18:17.30 | DWSR | EBB > * |
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| 18:18.00 | DWSR | is a satisfied customer. :P |
| 18:18.18 | Coren{de} | preferably something with a constant pixel-to-second ratio, no use in having 3 bars running with one taking 30s, one 10s and one 20s :D |
| 18:18.41 | Seerah | there's one like that - lemme find it |
| 18:19.01 | Coren{de} | EventHorizon is like that, I'm just looking at it |
| 18:19.20 | Seerah | thought so - there's also: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12778-CompactBars.html |
| 18:19.22 | AckisWork | wtb blizz guild recruitment in-game tool which syncs to the amory |
| 18:19.29 | DWSR | AckisWork: inorite? |
| 18:19.37 | DWSR | They've had the armory how long, and it's STILL in beta? |
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| 18:21.09 | theorbtwo | AckisWork: That'd be damn hard. |
| 18:21.45 | AckisWork | why would it be? |
| 18:21.50 | theorbtwo | Is there any known-working mechinisim for working with an external daemon? |
| 18:22.12 | AckisWork | you have an interface in game for the guild leader to say what they're after, etc, and it syncs with the armory |
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| 18:22.16 | theorbtwo | How do you get data off of the armory? Blizzard very explicitly doesn't want you to have network access. |
| 18:22.36 | AckisWork | i'm not talking about an addon |
| 18:22.54 | theorbtwo | Oh. |
| 18:24.58 | DWSR | theorbtwo: He's talking about a Blizzard interface. |
| 18:25.09 | DWSR | tbh, it wouldn't be hard. The mechanism for Game->Armory already exists |
| 18:25.18 | DWSR | The guild recruitment interface needs to exist, tbh. |
| 18:25.21 | DWSR | Recruiting through spam sucks |
| 18:26.36 | AckisWork | not just spam... going to 12 different sites is meh... like if I want to join a guild, and me being a lazy sob, what do I do? |
| 18:27.02 | AckisWork | i've already whored myself out on IRC :P |
| 18:27.14 | AckisWork | (ps 80 troll priest lfguild!!!) :P |
| 18:27.32 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: reroll alliance |
| 18:28.27 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.29 | theorbtwo | Hm, recruit through mail spam instead of whisper, etc? |
| 18:28.36 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: I'm already alliance :( |
| 18:28.44 | AckisWork | reroll then |
| 18:28.57 | DWSR | AckisWork: What server? |
| 18:29.19 | AckisWork | DWSR: I'm on azgalor now, if what I'm looking for comes up i'll transfer however |
| 18:29.32 | DWSR | AckisWork: Armory linkeh? |
| 18:30.04 | AckisWork | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azgalor&n=Ackis |
| 18:30.14 | AckisWork | my flask I used last wednesday is still on me :P |
| 18:30.24 | AckisWork | and that's after doing some coding last night for about 2 hours lol |
| 18:30.33 | Adys | nice you dont get dismounted when going through portals/instances in 3.1 |
| 18:30.49 | DWSR | AckisWork: Naice gears. |
| 18:30.51 | DWSR | What you looking for?\ |
| 18:31.08 | AckisWork | DWSR: immortal lol |
| 18:31.22 | DWSR | oh, nvm then. :P |
| 18:31.28 | AckisWork | i've only done one serious raid in wrath and we lost immortal on KT heh I cried inside :( |
| 18:32.21 | DWSR | lopl |
| 18:32.22 | AckisWork | i should try to get my forum acct unbanned and whore myself out there eh? |
| 18:32.22 | DWSR | lol* |
| 18:32.32 | DWSR | I'm just starting a raiding guild. Need heals badstyle. |
| 18:33.32 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.19 | DWSR | What's a quick way to alias /signout to /logout? |
| 18:34.33 | AckisWork | alt-f4 |
| 18:34.40 | DWSR | No, that's /exit. |
| 18:34.57 | Coren{de} | alt-f4 is not very AddOn-state-saving... :D |
| 18:35.39 | End | SLASH_LOGOUT5 = "/signout" |
| 18:35.41 | End | maybe that? |
| 18:35.49 | DWSR | End: Can I do that without addons? |
| 18:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ even shorter! |
| 18:36.06 | End | uh, you could put it in a macro I guess |
| 18:36.11 | Coren{de} | ./camp desktop, me thinks |
| 18:36.11 | DWSR | FAIL |
| 18:36.33 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.58 | DWSR | Oh, nice. :) |
| 18:37.03 | DWSR | heh, even better. |
| 18:37.05 | DWSR | Throw it in a kgpanel! |
| 18:37.12 | DWSR | win! :D |
| 18:37.20 | End | (I didn't test that, but I'm pretty sure it works) |
| 18:37.25 | DWSR | it does. |
| 18:37.33 | Coren{de} | DWSR, the best solution is to change signout to logout in your brainz ;p |
| 18:38.45 | DWSR | tbh, you should be able to cast spells on a taxi. |
| 18:38.58 | DWSR | Totally snipe lowbies too close to the taxi route. |
| 18:39.12 | DWSR | Would be like the best minigame in existance. No more alt-tabbing for the gryphon |
| 18:40.37 | Coren{de} | imho they should add a button somewhere after one has flown a flight path 25 times, which would then warp to the destination... |
| 18:40.46 | Adys | DWSR: that would win |
| 18:41.49 | DWSR | Anyone an admin/mod at curse? |
| 18:41.57 | DWSR | I'm getting flooded with e-mail messages. |
| 18:42.01 | DWSR | From Curse. |
| 18:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: ^ |
| 18:43.26 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 18:43.31 | ScytheBlade1 | What DWSR said |
| 18:43.33 | Kaelten | DWSR: what kinda email messages? |
| 18:44.18 | DWSR | Kaelten: A lot of messages about reported posts and stuff. |
| 18:44.29 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 18:44.31 | DWSR | In fact, it's all about reported posts and comments. |
| 18:44.39 | Kaelten | forward me a few of them to bmclemore@curse dot com |
| 18:45.53 | AckisWork | Kaelten: sounds like it's what I sent kody- earlier |
| 18:46.23 | DWSR | Kaelten: I got like 15 e-mails |
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| 18:47.03 | DWSR | I sent you 2. They're all fairly similar in content/format. |
| 18:47.15 | DWSR | If you need more, I can just export all of the messages and attach them to another. |
| 18:48.54 | Lunessa | Ackis has nice gear than me. :/ |
| 18:49.14 | AckisWork | Lunessa: YOUR MOM |
| 18:49.36 | Lunessa | If my Mom played WoW, she'd be a nub. She totally doesn't get it. |
| 18:50.08 | AckisWork | lol |
| 18:52.38 | Kaelten | DWSR: did you post in those threads? |
| 18:52.57 | DWSR | Kaelten: Not to the best of my knowledge. |
| 18:53.16 | Kraps | how is "feral" attack power different than regular ap? |
| 18:53.18 | Kaelten | ok, I've notified the Curse.com dev |
| 18:53.21 | Kaelten | he's going to look into it |
| 18:54.05 | Kraps | DWSR: you're deflecting :p |
| 18:54.22 | DWSR | Kaelten: Any way that you can just unsubscribe me to all forum posts? |
| 18:54.36 | DWSR | I don't want any more messages in the meantim. |
| 18:54.41 | DWSR | s/tim/time/ |
| 18:55.55 | AckisWork | hmm xfire pro voice |
| 18:56.38 | Kaelten | DWSR: until we know why you're getting those I'm not sure how to unsubscribe you :( |
| 18:57.30 | DWSR | Kaelten: Alright. Can I just bitbucket the e-mails then? |
| 18:57.58 | Kaelten | yeah, we should have the info we need |
| 18:59.00 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: big hugs back |
| 18:59.00 | Cairenn|afk | thanks sweetie |
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| 18:59.59 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: I know the pressure you meant, I didn't want to make it worse. I just wanted to hear your thoughts. Your opinion matters to me. You have a lot of experience in this arena. |
| 19:00.42 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: I'm willing to email it to you if you want, but I still feel that I shouldn't post it |
| 19:01.18 | DWSR | thanks Kaelten |
| 19:01.21 | Lunessa | Please do. You have (I believe) my address. |
| 19:01.24 | Coren{de} | Kraps, it's only added when you are in an animal form |
| 19:01.29 | Kaelten | np man, wish I had better news faster |
| 19:02.08 | Kraps | Coren{de}: is it a addition? |
| 19:02.35 | Kraps | s/a/an |
| 19:03.42 | End | Kaelten: l2be psychic |
| 19:04.05 | Kaelten | End: I've send the 29.99 to the address, waiting for my l2be psychic kit to arrive. |
| 19:04.11 | End | lol |
| 19:04.14 | Lunessa | hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 19:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ... think I found your problem then! |
| 19:04.22 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: not sure I do |
| 19:04.27 | Cairenn|afk | PM it to me? |
| 19:04.40 | Lunessa | done |
| 19:04.41 | AckisWork | tinydong@hotmale.com ? |
| 19:05.11 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Not tiny. it's imgelded@ouchmail.com |
| 19:05.25 | AckisWork | lol |
| 19:06.11 | Coren{de} | Kraps, which stat is not additional? do I get the question right? /puzzle |
| 19:06.28 | Kraps | err |
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| 19:07.48 | Kraps | what adds the "feral ap" part? |
| 19:08.19 | End | what do you mean by what? |
| 19:08.32 | End | the weapon dps adds it |
| 19:08.37 | End | but it shows only if you're a feral druid |
| 19:08.42 | End | or you're looking at wowhead |
| 19:08.49 | Kraps | right |
| 19:09.23 | Coren{de} | armory doesn't show it, which is kinda weird |
| 19:10.13 | Kraps | so ferals get additional ap not counting stats on gear |
| 19:10.18 | End | it's not a normal part of the tooltip |
| 19:11.07 | Coren{de} | Kraps, correct, to compensate that the weapon damage itself is *not* added, cat has a "weapon" of 65?dps hardcoded immutable |
| 19:11.26 | Kraps | ah |
| 19:12.21 | Kraps | going to westfall, i cant stand darkshore |
| 19:13.07 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.dougpatton.com/custom/flash/rapeasterbunny.swf <== too cute |
| 19:13.29 | Coren{de} | prepares you for DM as well, good choice ;) |
| 19:13.39 | Kraps | heh |
| 19:14.07 | Coren{de} | I'm also always switching to human lands, but that's because I demand to ride horses :D |
| 19:14.13 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: should I read that "rape aster bunny"? |
| 19:14.19 | Cairenn|afk | no |
| 19:14.21 | Cairenn|afk | rap easter |
| 19:14.27 | Adys | ok, not clicking then |
| 19:14.43 | Kaelten | I read it the other way at first too.... |
| 19:14.46 | Kaelten | looks down |
| 19:15.18 | Coren{de} | I think I saw too many Duracell-commercials... I read repeaterbunny :> |
| 19:16.08 | Kraps | Coren{de}: but you need exalted with stormwind if you're not human |
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| 19:16.10 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:16.18 | Lunessa | Someone showed me a NSFW commercial for Durex with balloon animals. I almost died laughing. |
| 19:16.34 | Kaelten | that sounds funny |
| 19:16.51 | Coren{de} | Kraps, I have 4 elfes with horses, so... (2 were in the old days carrying chests in swamp of sorrows 8)) |
| 19:16.53 | Adys | I remember that one Lunessa |
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| 19:18.21 | Kraps | carrying chests? |
| 19:18.39 | TopTop18 | Yay going to put my new computer together tomorrow ±D |
| 19:18.55 | TopTop18 | Parts arrived today together with my second screen ±D |
| 19:20.41 | Coren{de} | Kraps: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=1423&source=live&locale=enUS (~8 chests per hour if alone in the swamp and locations all known... had to be done pre-40 in those days, so no mount) |
| 19:21.23 | TopTop18 | 6GB DDR# RAM, Core i7 920, Nvidia 260GTX, P6T motherboard :D |
| 19:22.02 | Kraps | Coren{de}: that was before cloth turn-ins? |
| 19:22.15 | Coren{de} | Kraps: Aye. Only way back then... |
| 19:22.28 | Kraps | zomg |
| 19:24.57 | Lunessa | Kraps: And several people did it. G4TV did a video on WoW stuff that included that. |
| 19:27.09 | Coren{de} | Kraps: still easy compared to the only repeatable on elven side... :> http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=3803 |
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| 19:32.51 | breser | "We will block for-pay addons from functioning with World of Warcraft, we have no intention of claiming copyrights over all addons. |
| 19:32.54 | breser | " |
| 19:32.54 | breser | ^ Finally. |
| 19:33.04 | breser | Was it so hard to just say that. |
| 19:33.18 | End | good |
| 19:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | they said that some time ago iirc |
| 19:33.29 | End | did they? |
| 19:33.31 | breser | Not that I saw. |
| 19:33.32 | End | I don't remember |
| 19:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | link to your source? |
| 19:33.40 | breser | That came in a private email to me. |
| 19:33.49 | breser | A reply from wowui@blizzard.com |
| 19:34.08 | End | that's the same email address on the policy page, isn't it? |
| 19:34.12 | breser | Yes. |
| 19:34.18 | breser | I sent them an email asking for clarrification. |
| 19:34.28 | breser | And that's the response I got. |
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| 19:35.49 | cog|work | do the forums really need to remind me that i'm banned every time i visit? *sigh* |
| 19:36.05 | breser | How long are you banned for? |
| 19:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: nuke your cookies! |
| 19:36.08 | nevcairiel | well you could just log out |
| 19:36.40 | cog|work | I have about 27 hours left |
| 19:37.02 | Kraps | why were you banned? |
| 19:37.13 | cog|work | ~logs |
| 19:37.14 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 19:37.18 | Cairenn | cog|work: :( |
| 19:38.43 | Cairenn | breser: toss a copy of it up on the thread on WoWI, please? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=21290 |
| 19:39.00 | breser | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137617656&postId=161359568333&sid=1#0 |
| 19:39.02 | cog|work | Kraps: for the fact that my (un)sticky stayed green after i edited in my objection to the policy. "abusing my mvp status." It makes sense, though it wasn't my intention. |
| 19:39.07 | breser | ^ My post on the main forums. |
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| 19:40.30 | breser | WTH is the pre-tag for wowui? |
| 19:40.42 | Kraps | oh you're an mvp too |
| 19:40.44 | cog|work | breser: can you change it from [pre] to [quote] pls? :P |
| 19:40.47 | cog|work | Kraps: was |
| 19:40.53 | cog|work | posts stayed green after i resigned |
| 19:40.57 | Kraps | bur |
| 19:41.28 | breser | cog|work: There I used quote. |
| 19:41.34 | cog|work | <3 |
| 19:43.02 | breser | To be perfectly honest that I got that reply, but that reply is almost word for word what I wanted. |
| 19:43.17 | breser | I'm surprised I got that reply I mean. |
| 19:44.47 | Lunessa | WTH is with all the damned necro posts today? |
| 19:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | we need community moderation. /nods |
| 19:46.21 | AckisWork | eh so they block addons that require you to pay for them... and then those people sue for anti-trust? or that not how it works? |
| 19:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowdb.com/npc.aspx?id=18733 ha |
| 19:46.29 | ZorbaTHut | I can't believe I just got #13 DPS on VoA as a prot warrior. gaah |
| 19:46.45 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, if you can prove that World of Warcraft is a monopoly, you might get away with it. you'd have trouble proving that |
| 19:46.50 | breser | AckisWork: WoW doesn't have a monopoly. |
| 19:46.57 | breser | AckisWork: There are other MMO's out there. |
| 19:47.27 | AckisWork | the monopoly wouldn't be for mmo's it would be for addons... ie: QH vs Carbonite |
| 19:47.56 | cog|work | AckisWork: zomg! you go drink bawls nao! |
| 19:48.05 | breser | AckisWork: Umm what. |
| 19:48.06 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18733 |
| 19:48.08 | Kraps | :) |
| 19:48.10 | cog|work | it's like mana ... well not as much like mana as mana potions, but yeah |
| 19:48.16 | AckisWork | cog|work: i haven't had mana potions either |
| 19:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I know that wowhead is wrong there |
| 19:48.30 | Kraps | http://www.wowdb.com/npc.aspx?id=18733 wtf |
| 19:48.40 | Kraps | zangarmarsh? |
| 19:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | people kiting it |
| 19:49.07 | breser | AckisWork: If Blizzard was actually selling addons themselves while prohibiting us from selling addons then I suppose a few arguments could be made for some illegal trade practices. |
| 19:49.11 | breser | AckisWork: But they're not. |
| 19:49.22 | ZorbaTHut | I like the huge totally worthless splash of "it has been seen everywhere" |
| 19:49.27 | breser | And even that would probably be a stretch. |
| 19:49.58 | ZorbaTHut | even wowhead's display of that is more useful, at least you can see the path he takes. roughly. |
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| 19:56.03 | AckisWork | Fisker-: I hate you |
| 19:57.16 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 19:57.49 | cog|work | get a room |
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| 19:59.40 | AckisWork | hahahahhahahahahah |
| 19:59.51 | AckisWork | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/08/guildwatch-confessions-of-the-guilty/ <-- scroll to "malice" |
| 20:00.00 | AckisWork | Malice on Haomarush downed Heroic Sarth 2D, and have all three drakes on notice. All the rest of the content is on farm. Congrats! |
| 20:00.06 | AckisWork | I was in that guild... |
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| 20:00.17 | AckisWork | I got kicked for making fun of an officer who said hit was needed for healers |
| 20:00.33 | AckisWork | they were doing 3D when I was with them like 4 months ago... didn't have 2D down |
| 20:00.40 | AckisWork | I love wowinsider |
| 20:03.43 | Xinhuan | we should make a blog site called wowoutsider |
| 20:04.03 | Xinhuan | for players who have already quit wow |
| 20:04.16 | cog|work | chuckles |
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| 20:06.33 | Lunessa | Xinhuan: Then I'd get left out. :( |
| 20:08.54 | AckisWork | Lunessa: just get with the program and quit |
| 20:09.17 | Lunessa | NO U. |
| 20:09.44 | AckisWork | :( |
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| 20:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | AckisWork: re: 2D: lol, nice job |
| 20:16.12 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: lol I said I *was* in the guild :P |
| 20:16.19 | AckisWork | that server is shit |
| 20:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:00 < AckisWork> I was in that guild... |
| 20:16.51 | AckisWork | deja vu |
| 20:17.38 | Lunessa | I have raiding achievements - they do not reflect my guild. :( Recruiting sucks. |
| 20:21.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "of course it's your fault, everything that goes wrong here is your fault. It says so in your contract." |
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| 20:24.09 | |Jelly| | Seriously. |
| 20:24.20 | |Jelly| | @Lunessa, BTW |
| 20:24.48 | Lunessa | snickers |
| 20:25.20 | Fisker- | hurrr AckisWork |
| 20:25.26 | Fisker- | 2D is easy as shit |
| 20:26.30 | AckisWork | Fisker-: I hate you |
| 20:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | AckisWork: join the club, we have a t-shirt |
| 20:29.32 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:29.36 | nevcairiel | there is a Fisker- hate club? why wasn't i told? |
| 20:29.54 | NightHawkTheSane | really, its just everyone in this channel |
| 20:30.08 | End | ^ |
| 20:30.10 | Kraps | why didnt i get a hearthstone? |
| 20:30.53 | Fisker- | wanna make out AckisWork ? |
| 20:30.55 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 20:30.55 | purl | fisker- has karma of -9 |
| 20:31.05 | nevcairiel | ~Fisker--- |
| 20:31.11 | AckisWork | ~Fisker-++ |
| 20:31.20 | TopTop18 | Fisker can be nice! |
| 20:31.29 | TopTop18 | ~Fisker +++ |
| 20:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | CAN be, sure. IS? :P |
| 20:31.45 | TopTop18 | Well he is helpfull :D |
| 20:31.49 | nevcairiel | no he cannot, he just fakes it to lure you into some troll trap |
| 20:31.51 | End | ~fisker--- |
| 20:32.03 | TopTop18 | "Pastey or i kill ya" |
| 20:32.48 | Lunessa | Fisker dual-weilds large trout. |
| 20:33.09 | TopTop18 | ~karma Fisker- |
| 20:33.09 | purl | fisker- has karma of -10 |
| 20:33.20 | TopTop18 | ~Fisker-++ |
| 20:33.26 | TopTop18 | ~karma fisker |
| 20:33.26 | purl | fisker has neutral karma |
| 20:33.32 | TopTop18 | oops |
| 20:33.38 | TopTop18 | ~karma fisker- |
| 20:33.38 | purl | fisker- has karma of -9 |
| 20:33.41 | TopTop18 | :D |
| 20:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | fisker revels in it |
| 20:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | he revels in something alright |
| 20:34.24 | TopTop18 | ~karma TopTop18 |
| 20:34.24 | purl | toptop18 has neutral karma |
| 20:34.39 | TopTop18 | noone likes me, noone hates me, is that good or bad? |
| 20:34.58 | DWSR | Is there a submarine mount getting added? |
| 20:35.05 | TopTop18 | No |
| 20:35.08 | TopTop18 | turtlish |
| 20:35.19 | TopTop18 | with 133% waterspeed |
| 20:38.03 | End | where's my goblin submersible turtles! |
| 20:38.17 | End | I'll blow those gnomish submarines right out of the water! |
| 20:39.23 | Shirik | Why would someone give Fisker- karma |
| 20:39.32 | End | I don't know |
| 20:39.44 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:39.48 | AckisWork | Fisker- hates getting positive karma |
| 20:39.54 | Shirik | don't make me give you karma, Fisker- |
| 20:39.59 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:40.04 | Shirik | ~karma Fisker-++ |
| 20:40.04 | purl | fisker-++ has neutral karma |
| 20:40.07 | Shirik | er |
| 20:40.11 | Shirik | ~Fisker-++ |
| 20:40.22 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 20:40.22 | purl | fisker- has karma of -8 |
| 20:40.26 | Fisker- | fuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 20:40.30 | AckisWork | HAHAHAH |
| 20:40.31 | mikma | ~karma mikma |
| 20:40.31 | purl | mikma has neutral karma |
| 20:40.34 | Fisker- | why does it work more than once? |
| 20:40.41 | Shirik | because |
| 20:40.41 | mikma | i thought i got smited earlier |
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| 20:40.49 | Shirik | it knows you deserve it Fisker- |
| 20:41.00 | End | ~fisker--- |
| 20:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma Shirik |
| 20:41.04 | purl | shirik has karma of 9 |
| 20:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That is disappointing |
| 20:41.15 | AckisWork | ~karma Ackis |
| 20:41.15 | purl | ackis has karma of -1 |
| 20:41.19 | AckisWork | YAY |
| 20:41.20 | End | ~karma ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:41.20 | purl | scytheblade1 has karma of 6 |
| 20:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 20:41.31 | Fisker- | ~fisker-++ |
| 20:41.33 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 20:41.33 | purl | fisker- has karma of -9 |
| 20:41.33 | End | Shirik has more karma than ScytheBlade1! |
| 20:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I am disappointed |
| 20:41.45 | Fisker- | hey End |
| 20:41.48 | Fisker- | thanks :3 |
| 20:41.59 | Shirik | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 20:42.03 | End | I always try to keep the Fisker- down |
| 20:42.05 | Shirik | ~nickometer ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | WAY TO RUB SALT INTO THE WOUND |
| 20:42.22 | AckisWork | cog|work: Cash Flow: $40,081,105 every 60 minutes. Next paid in: 8 minutes and 21 seconds. (Mafia wars :P) |
| 20:42.35 | Shirik | goes to get food |
| 20:43.28 | Lunessa | mafiawars? Bah. Brutes! Mindless, pointless time-wasting FTW!! http://lunessa.mybrute.com/ |
| 20:43.50 | cog|work | AckisWork: |
| 20:43.56 | cog|work | Cash Flow: $42,826,913 every 54 minutes. Next paid in: 47 minutes and 50 seconds. |
| 20:44.12 | cog|work | mine's bigger! |
| 20:44.13 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:44.16 | Fisker- | http://ffffuuuuuuuuuuu.mybrute.com |
| 20:44.29 | AckisWork | cog|work: pfft :P but that's why it's boring to do anything but the "big" ones |
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| 20:45.23 | Lunessa | So, we all seem to have time on our hands. :P |
| 20:45.34 | AckisWork | i'm working ahrd |
| 20:46.13 | cog|work | me too! I submitted 2 chapters today (well, one could've counted as last night but it was 5:30 am eastern time when i finished) |
| 20:48.09 | Lunessa | cog|work: Hey, night owls rule. |
| 20:48.58 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 20:49.01 | Shirik | I just got an email |
| 20:49.03 | cog|work | night owl would imply that I could sleep during the day :P |
| 20:49.08 | Shirik | the subject is the same as the "from" tag |
| 20:49.25 | Shirik | and the contents are "Greetings, you have. You know 'There is a part I appreciate that Sincerely, <name>" |
| 20:51.58 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 20:52.02 | kd3 | what kind of broken spam is that? |
| 20:52.23 | Xinhuan | looks like failed form filling |
| 20:53.25 | Adys | so 3 days ago |
| 20:53.26 | kd3 | o_O; fark: "U.S. electrical grid penetrated by spies. And they don't mean suicidal squirrels this time [Unlikely]" |
| 20:53.37 | Adys | for the first time in mozilla's history |
| 20:53.50 | Adys | a bug has been kept open for 10 years in a row |
| 20:53.55 | kd3 | ! |
| 20:54.05 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.06 | Adys | Reported: 1999-04-03 23:13 PDT by Jason Eager |
| 20:55.21 | Shirik | Can someone please explain to me why the US Electrical Grid needs an external connection? |
| 20:55.35 | Adys | Shirik: its for external communication |
| 20:55.37 | foxlit | Because SHUT UP. |
| 20:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: cheaper than a strictly internal connection! |
| 20:55.42 | foxlit | AND BE TERRIFIED. |
| 20:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | also, what foxlit said |
| 20:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~foxlit++ |
| 20:56.04 | Shirik | I need food |
| 20:56.06 | Shirik | where do I go to eat |
| 20:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | grocery store |
| 20:56.17 | Shirik | no |
| 20:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | For granola bars |
| 20:56.18 | Shirik | try again |
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| 20:56.30 | kd3 | kitchen? |
| 20:56.33 | Shirik | ha |
| 20:56.35 | Shirik | try again |
| 20:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I got an awesome text message the other day |
| 20:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | "Free 8 pack Nugget at Chick-fil-A. Show text-1 per phone." |
| 20:57.46 | Shirik | wierd |
| 20:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (hint: eat moar chikin) |
| 20:58.10 | breser | Wish we had a Chick-fil-A here. |
| 20:58.21 | Shirik | We have a chick-fil-a on campus |
| 20:58.28 | Fisker- | AckisWork |
| 20:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | There you have it |
| 20:58.32 | Fisker- | when can i has account merges? |
| 20:58.36 | Shirik | no I go there too much |
| 20:58.51 | kd3 | Fisker-, never, you lousy euro |
| 20:59.12 | AckisWork | Fisker- |
| 20:59.42 | Fisker- | AckisWork |
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| 21:06.27 | Lunessa | I came, down to the water's edge. I didn't do it; I saw who did. |
| 21:07.45 | Fisker- | fuck yeah |
| 21:07.47 | Fisker- | i came |
| 21:07.50 | Fisker- | i exploited |
| 21:07.51 | Fisker- | i came |
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| 21:14.23 | Lunessa | 7Mary3 lyrics are always interesting. |
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| 21:43.57 | Shirik | has food! |
| 21:45.04 | cog|work | NO U! |
| 21:45.13 | Shirik | yes, yes I do |
| 21:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | has a pizza cooking |
| 21:46.49 | Aelobin | did 7M3 sing "I woke up in a car" ? |
| 21:47.49 | Aelobin | if not then im confusing bands :< |
| 21:48.21 | Shirik | see that's just it, ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:48.23 | Shirik | you have to WAIT |
| 21:48.25 | Shirik | I am eating |
| 21:48.26 | Shirik | NOW |
| 21:48.29 | Shirik | and good food too |
| 21:48.49 | Aelobin | good food is good :> |
| 21:49.14 | Fisker- | since when do you cook pizzas? |
| 21:49.44 | Jamash | since they say "DO NOT EAT FROZEN" on the box |
| 21:50.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:50.17 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:50.29 | Shirik | That's as bad as "warning: coffee might be hot" |
| 21:50.32 | Fisker- | i thought pizzas were baked :( |
| 21:50.41 | Shirik | or planters' "Warning: May contain peanuts" |
| 21:50.43 | Shirik | may |
| 21:50.45 | Shirik | not does, may |
| 21:55.32 | AckisWork | eh "raid arrays can tell you if the drive is failing" <-- truth? |
| 21:56.17 | Fisker- | "Durr i can't save date, wonder wuts rong" |
| 21:56.21 | Fisker- | data* |
| 21:56.34 | AckisWork | it's not that simple Fiskerson |
| 21:56.58 | Fisker- | it's simpler |
| 21:57.31 | Shirik | AckisWork: kinsa, but not really |
| 21:58.15 | Shirik | you get the native parity check from some setups, but in reality SMART will probably catch the same problem |
| 21:58.54 | Shirik | raid can only catch the problem after it's occurred |
| 21:59.25 | AckisWork | is it possible that 2 physical disks, split into 4 logical disks would only have a problem on one logical disk? |
| 21:59.27 | Shirik | by that time, raid or no raid you would have known |
| 21:59.34 | Shirik | sorta |
| 21:59.54 | Shirik | depends on how it's split and what the problem is |
| 22:00.49 | AckisWork | well I've gotten 2 bsod's mentioning the raid/disk issues, something called the intel matrix storage thingy tossed an error up as well once which hasn't been seen again |
| 22:00.51 | AckisWork | http://paste.wowace.com/461/ |
| 22:02.54 | Shirik | what's the bsod |
| 22:03.46 | Shirik | p.s. by far the best diagnostic software I've ever used is called "Drive Fitness Test" -- it's available on UBCD |
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| 22:05.10 | AckisWork | didn't write down the bsod's |
| 22:05.24 | Dagmar | UBCD > disk problems |
| 22:06.11 | Shirik | AckisWork: Should be in your event log |
| 22:06.16 | Shirik | start->run->eventvwr.msc |
| 22:06.32 | AckisWork | Shirik: not at home now, can't check |
| 22:08.03 | AckisWork | UBCD == http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html ? |
| 22:09.19 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/08/funny-pictures-mine-sos-the-right/ |
| 22:17.51 | Legorol | 's head is spinning |
| 22:18.02 | Legorol | I still don't believe this: just completed Undying in a PuG \o/ |
| 22:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 22:18.49 | Legorol | it's basically luck |
| 22:18.54 | Legorol | it just so happened that all 10 people were good |
| 22:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't luck |
| 22:19.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That is something on the order of the planets aligning |
| 22:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | (Even pluto!) |
| 22:19.26 | Lunessa | Do we really live in a world so bad that we need a web site that uses google for you? |
| 22:19.42 | AckisWork | Lunessa: yes, as cog |
| 22:19.48 | AckisWork | *ask |
| 22:21.01 | Legorol | lol ScytheBlade1, i'm tempted to agree |
| 22:21.16 | Legorol | we had a scare when, after 2 wings, our pala healer started DC-ing, then didn't come back for 5 minutes |
| 22:21.32 | Legorol | fortunately it was just a one-off that he managed to fix and he was rock solid for the rest of the night |
| 22:22.07 | Legorol | Lunessa: uh what? which web site :) linky plx |
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| 22:22.30 | Lunessa | lmgtfy.com |
| 22:22.30 | cog|work | http://lmgtfy.com ? |
| 22:22.57 | cog|work | and I agree the answer to your question is "yes" |
| 22:23.30 | Lunessa | is almost ashamed to be human. |
| 22:24.37 | Lunessa | I say almost, because there isn't much alternative. |
| 22:25.16 | AckisWork | cog|work: you always give me those links :P |
| 22:27.10 | Shirik | IE is so wierd |
| 22:27.14 | Shirik | Why does it send this header |
| 22:27.16 | Shirik | Accept: application/x-ms-application, image/jpeg, application/xaml+xml, image/gif, image/pjpeg, application/x-ms-xbap, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */*\r\n |
| 22:27.25 | Shirik | Is there something wrong with just */* ? |
| 22:27.56 | Legorol | Shirik: if i'm not mistaken, a site should try and return content in the order of the entries in the accept list, if it has alternatives |
| 22:28.07 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:28.11 | foxlit | Shirik: it's kind of against the purpose of the header |
| 22:28.19 | foxlit | "Hey, I can accept anything!" |
| 22:28.26 | Shirik | well they said that anyway foxlit! |
| 22:28.33 | Legorol | as a last resort though |
| 22:28.39 | Shirik | right, I didn't realize that part |
| 22:28.59 | Kaso | what is x-ms-xbap even? |
| 22:29.13 | Shirik | hanson in microsoft form |
| 22:29.22 | Kaso | lol |
| 22:29.40 | Kaso | silverlight apparently |
| 22:29.42 | Lunessa | DO WANT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Congo_Basenji.jpg |
| 22:30.08 | Shirik | ok here's a new question |
| 22:30.13 | Shirik | Why would IE bother to download an entire file |
| 22:30.18 | Shirik | and then give this error |
| 22:31.01 | Shirik | Internet Explorer cannot download <file> from <site>. Internet Explorer was not able to open this Internet site. The requested site is unavailable or cannot be found. Please try again later. |
| 22:31.13 | Shirik | I've put it into wireshark, I see the entire file downloaded |
| 22:31.20 | Shirik | and then the connection terminates gracefully |
| 22:32.38 | Kaso | anything wierd about the file or the headers? |
| 22:33.16 | Kaso | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;q316431& |
| 22:33.24 | Kaso | Shirik, ^ that fit? |
| 22:34.47 | Kaso | I want to talk about sport! |
| 22:34.52 | Kaso | wait wrong channel |
| 22:35.19 | Shirik | I don't think so Kaso |
| 22:35.20 | Shirik | it's not SSL |
| 22:35.30 | Shirik | however, you may be on the right track |
| 22:35.37 | Shirik | removing the pragma: no-cache resolved the problem |
| 22:35.57 | Kaso | what doctype was it? |
| 22:36.06 | Kaso | anything that uses a plugin? |
| 22:36.15 | Shirik | no |
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| 22:36.26 | Shirik | application/octet-stream |
| 22:37.34 | Lunessa | Hah, Shirik - that makes me laugh. "here, cache this file, but you're not allowed to cache it, so blow away the cache" "IE says - I'm sorry, I'm confused." |
| 22:38.26 | Shirik | But now the question is why that issue exists :/ |
| 22:38.30 | Shirik | No other browsers have the problem |
| 22:38.48 | Shirik | And we're not SSL so that page doesn't really reference the problem, nor are we using a plugin |
| 22:40.13 | Kaso | it does seem the "need to cache, but not allowed" logic flow is the issue here |
| 22:42.24 | Lunessa | I remember dealing a lot with pragma: no-cache issues in the 90s, but ... Honestly I can't remember what we ended up doing about it. |
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| 22:54.10 | airtonix | "An error occured, the error could not be displayed. Restarting everything that depends on explorer.exe' |
| 22:55.56 | Shirik | airtonix: Seriously? |
| 22:56.07 | airtonix | quite often |
| 22:56.19 | airtonix | so don't miss using the window or apple |
| 22:56.38 | airtonix | my igloo is surprsingly warm |
| 22:56.49 | airtonix | and deficient of proper english |
| 22:57.38 | Shirik | igloo? |
| 22:57.41 | Shirik | penguins don't live in igloos |
| 22:57.55 | airtonix | but im not a penguin |
| 22:58.14 | Shirik | so what are you |
| 22:58.16 | airtonix | just like im not a worm that lives in an apple or a thief that lives in windows |
| 22:58.33 | Shirik | thief that lives in windows |
| 22:58.35 | Shirik | >< |
| 22:59.11 | airtonix | steve balmer : "if you use opensource software, you are stealing from microsoft" <to his investors a few years ago> |
| 22:59.19 | Lunessa | giant banana-nut muffin: nom nom nom |
| 22:59.20 | airtonix | nive guy that chap |
| 22:59.31 | airtonix | reminds me of hitler |
| 22:59.45 | airtonix | or chancelor suttler |
| 23:00.04 | Lunessa | Way to godwin the conversation. |
| 23:01.25 | foxlit | is that a quote? |
| 23:01.54 | airtonix | not verbatim |
| 23:02.01 | airtonix | fairly close though |
| 23:02.03 | foxlit | So what did he actually say? |
| 23:02.40 | airtonix | its a reference to his spout about linux using X number of patentsin the bott process alone. |
| 23:02.52 | airtonix | patents in the boot process* |
| 23:04.32 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SXNAtwYMBw |
| 23:04.43 | airtonix | too much sugar that day i think |
| 23:04.45 | foxlit | Not terribly interested in interpretation :) |
| 23:13.20 | p3lim^ | anyone mind looking at this diff and let me know what you think if its a good decision performance wise or not? http://pastey.net/111966-43ft:111965-3xf9 |
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| 23:14.39 | Aznamir | hi all |
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| 23:20.33 | cog|work | ohai |
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| 23:22.04 | Ackis | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 23:22.06 | Ackis | b |
| 23:22.16 | cog|work | c |
| 23:22.23 | cog|work | ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd |
| 23:22.45 | foxlit | eh, f |
| 23:22.53 | cog|work | gg |
| 23:23.11 | cog|work | heh |
| 23:23.18 | Ackis | imho |
| 23:26.48 | airtonix | i like this : |
| 23:26.49 | airtonix | http://cnettv.cnet.com/2001-1_53-30020.html |
| 23:27.28 | airtonix | when asked about how peoples perceptions that linux is more secure than windows, should he be spending more money & time on "marketing". |
| 23:27.35 | airtonix | -_- |
| 23:27.53 | airtonix | Ministry of Truth |
| 23:29.35 | airtonix | he displays incredible ignorance of opensource too |
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| 23:38.16 | foxlit | when asked about how peoples perceptions that linux is more secure than windows, should he be spending more money & time on "marketing". << Meh, reasonable. |
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| 23:39.22 | foxlit | Perception is a marketing issue, not an engineering one :) |
| 23:42.20 | Wobin_ | hm |
| 23:42.40 | Wobin | So, watching that warlock tank |
| 23:42.48 | Wobin | how does he keep metamorphosis up so long? |
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| 23:44.35 | mikma | longer than 30sec? |
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| 23:45.04 | Wobin | yeah |
| 23:45.17 | Wobin | or are they offtanking warlocks? |
| 23:45.40 | Wobin | hm, maybe they are |
| 23:45.46 | Wobin | hard to tell on the video =( |
| 23:46.04 | Wobin | PS, Steve Ballmer's voice somewhat reminds me of Bobcat Goldthwaite's |
| 23:50.49 | mikma | bobcat <3 :D |
| 23:52.54 | foxlit | Do I have to resort to WrapScript to get multiple SecureHandler frames to share the same environment? |
| 23:53.11 | Tem | Wobin, what video are you talking about? |
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| 23:57.02 | Wobin | the one air posted just then: http://cnettv.cnet.com/2001-1_53-30020.html |
| 23:57.32 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 23:57.32 | Wobin | no, the warlock one? |
| 23:57.32 | Wobin | One sec |
| 23:58.59 | Wobin | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/03/17/warlock-tanks-patchwerk/ |
| 23:59.13 | Duman | hmm |
| 23:59.37 | airtonix | i wish more people would do stuff outside the norm like that |
