| 00:00.22 | NeoTron | that means to us that they do not have the drive to succeed in raiding that we're looking for |
| 00:00.40 | NeoTron | especially now when you can buy rep it's not a bad grind |
| 00:00.49 | NeoTron | I'm 1 day away for my first alt to get exalted |
| 00:01.00 | Rottenpotato | FontString = label ? |
| 00:01.17 | NeoTron | yes |
| 00:01.45 | Rottenpotato | k, thanks |
| 00:03.36 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: saw my highlights in #wowace earlier? |
| 00:04.36 | Shefki | Rottenpotato: You're nuts if you think it's that hard to get exalted. |
| 00:05.10 | Rottenpotato | i didn't say it was hard |
| 00:05.14 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: sorry no I didn't |
| 00:05.31 | Rottenpotato | i just don't think it's worth it :) |
| 00:05.58 | NeoTron | say there'a a new fight like Mother in BT |
| 00:05.59 | Gnarfoz | it should be for everyone who's ever thought about doing any of the hard mode versions of any encounter, imho ^^ |
| 00:06.06 | NeoTron | where you need a lot of mats for resist gear |
| 00:06.14 | NeoTron | we'd want people that farm that mat for themselves |
| 00:06.26 | NeoTron | not the people that feel it's too hard or not worth it |
| 00:07.45 | Rottenpotato | well, as much as i can see where you're coming from - that really shouldn't be the first and only thing you judge them on |
| 00:08.08 | Rottenpotato | taking your example for a minute |
| 00:08.19 | Rottenpotato | i made frost res on my warlock at an ATTEMPT to combat dks in 2v2 |
| 00:08.26 | Rottenpotato | 3 80s, i'll never touch one hodir daily |
| 00:08.39 | Rottenpotato | next thing you'll say - you don't raid |
| 00:08.52 | Sixen | Uh. Is the WoW Dance thing really ingame? |
| 00:08.54 | Rottenpotato | which really isn't true, my shaman has the best resto gear in the raids through leading pugs |
| 00:08.57 | NeoTron | it's not |
| 00:09.02 | Rottenpotato | nah, april fool's |
| 00:09.02 | Sixen | Aw. |
| 00:09.03 | Rottenpotato | etc etc |
| 00:09.07 | NeoTron | but it's handy to use as a nice way of telling someone, sorry you don't cut it |
| 00:09.10 | Sixen | It should've been. I know it's a joke, but it would've been epic. |
| 00:09.18 | Rottenpotato | yea, like i said i can see where you're coming from |
| 00:09.19 | Jamash | the archivist makes me sad |
| 00:09.22 | Revery | the hodir dailies are cumbersome and annoying |
| 00:09.26 | Rottenpotato | but you really shouldn't turn people away RIGHT away because of it |
| 00:09.29 | Rottenpotato | is all i'm saying |
| 00:09.30 | Sixen | Archivist was win. |
| 00:09.30 | Jamash | I'd totally play one |
| 00:09.34 | Sixen | Me too lol |
| 00:09.37 | Rottenpotato | there are a few stars that shine in the darkness : ) |
| 00:09.39 | NeoTron | Rottenpotato: does your resto shaman have S3D kill? 10 man version? |
| 00:09.40 | Jamash | except he seems to have one hit point |
| 00:09.42 | Revery | as a raider, i want to spend my time raiding, not flying out there each day to do stupid quests |
| 00:09.49 | Rottenpotato | nope, i only pug now |
| 00:09.57 | Sixen | =/ |
| 00:10.01 | Rottenpotato | only reason i did pve was to get mace off kt for pvp since they screwed up weapons |
| 00:10.04 | NeoTron | and it's more about looking for perfectionists not "good enough"ists |
| 00:10.19 | WobWork | Hodir dailies are stupid |
| 00:10.24 | Rottenpotato | achievements stop you from being a perfectionist? |
| 00:10.41 | NeoTron | gear/spec/performance perfectionists |
| 00:10.45 | WobWork | and using them as a measure of raider mettle is ridiculous |
| 00:10.56 | NeoTron | same thing as in BC |
| 00:11.27 | Rottenpotato | i was going to say something but i'm not going to pick a fight - back to coding ! |
| 00:11.33 | WobWork | of course, using them, solely as a measure is stupid |
| 00:11.38 | WobWork | but you're not that silly of course =P |
| 00:11.43 | NeoTron | of course |
| 00:11.54 | NeoTron | but |
| 00:12.08 | WobWork | cause if you rule on that and that alone |
| 00:12.10 | NeoTron | if you're friendly with hodir and expect to join us as a trial you better have a very good reason |
| 00:12.16 | WobWork | you're more likely to get narrow minded raiders |
| 00:12.19 | WobWork | who have tunnel vision |
| 00:12.30 | Gnarfoz | or love standing in the fire |
| 00:12.30 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 00:12.30 | WobWork | Or very rich raiders |
| 00:12.32 | NeoTron | you seem to think it's hard to find people exalted with hodir |
| 00:12.34 | NeoTron | most apps are |
| 00:12.35 | WobWork | who simply buy their rep |
| 00:12.37 | Rottenpotato | if you want the good players |
| 00:12.40 | Rottenpotato | and this is being completely honest |
| 00:12.49 | Rottenpotato | you need to look for high-rated players in arena |
| 00:12.52 | Rottenpotato | you always, ALWAYS |
| 00:12.54 | Rottenpotato | get the most out of them |
| 00:13.04 | WobWork | When you can get them away from arenas =) |
| 00:13.06 | Rottenpotato | paladins and dks excluded due to current circumstances, of course |
| 00:13.11 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's the downside, WobWork :P |
| 00:13.15 | Jamash | Rottenpotato: so you're saying, don't be a pve elitist, be a pvp elitist? |
| 00:13.20 | Rottenpotato | no |
| 00:13.23 | Rottenpotato | i didn't mean it that way |
| 00:13.26 | Revery | the ppl i knew who were good enough to get arena weapons couldnt tell their ass from their hands in raids |
| 00:13.35 | WobWork | yuck, you can't say someone who does stupid dailies every day is a pve elitist =P |
| 00:13.37 | Revery | so i wouldn't say that all high rated arena players are good PvEers |
| 00:13.39 | Rottenpotato | really, revery? |
| 00:13.42 | WobWork | it just means they can learn a pattern |
| 00:13.43 | Revery | yes |
| 00:13.52 | Rottenpotato | were they flavours of the month? |
| 00:13.56 | Rottenpotato | that tends to skew it too |
| 00:14.08 | Revery | they've been pvp oriented ever since you could be |
| 00:14.15 | WobWork | Of course, I'm not a hardcore raider |
| 00:14.17 | Rottenpotato | weird |
| 00:14.23 | Rottenpotato | there are exceptions to every rule, though |
| 00:14.40 | Revery | indeed |
| 00:14.45 | WobWork | but I learn just about every encounter so far after one failyre |
| 00:14.52 | Rottenpotato | actually, now that i think about it, i know a few people who are good in pvp and who can't do anything pve |
| 00:14.53 | Revery | it is by nature hard to find someone who can get high rating and not know how to play |
| 00:14.59 | Rottenpotato | yea i'm the same way wob |
| 00:15.06 | Rottenpotato | i can't stand pve |
| 00:15.11 | Rottenpotato | because if people dont' get it after the first 1-2 tries |
| 00:15.14 | Rottenpotato | i get frustrated |
| 00:15.16 | Rottenpotato | it's just so simple |
| 00:15.22 | WobWork | But granted |
| 00:15.22 | NeoTron | Rottenpotato: if you're looking for good pvp players sure |
| 00:15.29 | WobWork | most of the encounters aren't that difficult |
| 00:15.40 | NeoTron | but I'm a good player as are the majority of the guild and a very small subset do pvp |
| 00:15.46 | WobWork | Thaddius is the most complex I've come across |
| 00:15.51 | Revery | i enjoy pve because (given im raiding with my people), im having a godo time with no retards |
| 00:15.53 | WobWork | (Pre EoE) |
| 00:15.58 | WobWork | with four point movement |
| 00:16.09 | Revery | pvp i'm either on the same team as just very annoying people, or im playing against very annoying people |
| 00:16.10 | NeoTron | a high rated arena player is quite possibly a great pve player but that is not guaranteed |
| 00:16.20 | NeoTron | nor does bad arena rating or none at all mean you're bad in pvp |
| 00:16.25 | WobWork | and with the four point plan, all you have to do is forget about the whole "positive/negative" aspect |
| 00:16.28 | Legorol | Is it just me or the EU account management login page is broken? |
| 00:16.30 | Rottenpotato | yea i changed my stance on the subject, neo |
| 00:16.30 | WobWork | and go with "change/not change" |
| 00:16.46 | NeoTron | I've run a raiding guild since start of BC and I have refined our recruiting for tha ttime |
| 00:16.54 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: what... what? |
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| 00:17.07 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: never done the four point plan for Thaddius? |
| 00:17.11 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 00:17.14 | Rottenpotato | me neither |
| 00:17.20 | WobWork | it's actually kinda cool =) |
| 00:17.27 | WobWork | instead of positive negative |
| 00:17.27 | Rottenpotato | walk in, if you screw up, we yell at you |
| 00:17.27 | Gnarfoz | sounds like you're wasting the buff :D |
| 00:17.31 | Revery | its the same idea as "take a step to the side if your charge didnt change" |
| 00:17.32 | WobWork | no no |
| 00:17.34 | Rottenpotato | if you screw up again we either boot you or you don't get loot! |
| 00:17.36 | Rottenpotato | yay! |
| 00:17.37 | WobWork | the buff still works |
| 00:17.37 | Revery | gives a buffer for slow movers |
| 00:17.45 | WobWork | because everyone is still in two positions no matter what |
| 00:17.52 | WobWork | but if your charge changes, you move right |
| 00:17.56 | WobWork | if it doesn't change you move left |
| 00:18.08 | Revery | you're essentially receiving the ppl moving to your side sooner |
| 00:18.21 | Gnarfoz | *scratches head* |
| 00:18.23 | Rottenpotato | that sounds too complicated for the average wow mind |
| 00:18.29 | Codayus | Hmmm...nice strat. |
| 00:18.29 | NeoTron | sound very confusing for a simple fight |
| 00:18.32 | WobWork | It helps if you draw a diagram =) |
| 00:18.32 | Rottenpotato | most can't even handle + and - |
| 00:18.34 | Gnarfoz | left? |
| 00:18.37 | Rottenpotato | no, it makes sense |
| 00:18.44 | WobWork | I'll see if I can find a write up |
| 00:18.47 | Rottenpotato | i'm just saying that most players are idiots :P |
| 00:18.50 | NeoTron | "if your charge changes run forward" is pretty easy |
| 00:18.52 | Gnarfoz | why would I move *left*? the platform ends there... or the wall is tehre :D |
| 00:18.52 | WobWork | yes, this is true =) |
| 00:18.56 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: yeah. |
| 00:19.09 | Codayus | And actually, not really harder than the normal two camp strat; it's just that by this time most people have the two camp strat as a reflex. :-) |
| 00:19.13 | WobWork | we move Thad to the left or right of the centre so there's room to move |
| 00:19.32 | WobWork | Codayus: yeah, there's a lot of relearning to do if you're used to that two point srtat |
| 00:19.38 | WobWork | but it's so much faster |
| 00:19.46 | Gnarfoz | still, where does going left or right lead you oO |
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| 00:19.51 | Gnarfoz | do you move in a circle around him? |
| 00:19.51 | Legorol | that is an awesome strat for thaddius |
| 00:20.00 | Legorol | hard to understand why it works, but very simple to execute |
| 00:20.20 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: consider four points around Thaddius, N/E/S/W |
| 00:20.22 | Gnarfoz | because... circular movement requires people being able to strafe or TURN and RUN :X |
| 00:20.29 | Legorol | consider all + starting at E, and all - starting at W |
| 00:20.30 | mikma | stupid question: what's the most accurate dps meter there is? :I |
| 00:20.40 | Jamash | mikma: did the boss die or not |
| 00:20.42 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: ah, I get it |
| 00:20.43 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 00:20.49 | WobWork | http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f206/41816-naxxramas-thaddius.html |
| 00:20.51 | Gnarfoz | each polarity shift, both camps move. |
| 00:20.55 | Gnarfoz | fair enough |
| 00:20.56 | Legorol | polarity shift happens: if you are at E and stay +, you move to S, if you changed to -, you move to N |
| 00:21.01 | mikma | jamash: no, not good neough. |
| 00:21.10 | Legorol | at N, you will meet those people who were at W and whose charge staid - |
| 00:21.17 | Jamash | mikma: It's accurate, just not helpful |
| 00:21.21 | Gnarfoz | yeah I how it works |
| 00:21.36 | NeoTron | seems like just overly complicating a simple fight |
| 00:21.39 | Gnarfoz | however, it would require circular movement which people in my guild seem to be inherently BAD at |
| 00:21.48 | Gnarfoz | circling around malygos: fail |
| 00:21.49 | mikma | jamash: it's not even accurate. it tells you nothing. |
| 00:22.01 | NeoTron | malygos is 3d |
| 00:22.09 | NeoTron | it's a whole additional dimension of fail |
| 00:22.11 | Jamash | mikma: did you do enough dps yes / no |
| 00:22.13 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 00:22.17 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: it really isn't |
| 00:22.24 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: or well, 3rd dimension doesn't matter |
| 00:22.25 | Revery | Recount is a good one, poor mikma |
| 00:22.38 | Revery | but if you ever link it in raid chat or talk about it in vent i might be forced to kill you |
| 00:22.43 | Jamash | ^ |
| 00:23.04 | Revery | sry i used dmgmeters since back before there was threat meters |
| 00:23.11 | mikma | jamash: you really, REALLY fail at being funny. killing boss is not a dps meter... |
| 00:23.12 | Revery | so i find many uses for them |
| 00:23.15 | Jamash | I've stopped linking recount in chat when people ask, because if you're too stupid to install an addon then you're too stupid to know what they mean |
| 00:23.19 | WobWork | The two point one is "Run clockwise (anticlockwise) til you get to your assigned polarity side, turn around, then attack again" right? |
| 00:23.41 | WobWork | So it takes the time for people to do a half circle around Thaddius, reorient themselves and start moving again |
| 00:23.49 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: anyway, people turn and fly with their nose in front instead of just strafing... >_< or they fly into malygos's aura, turn around, see where the hell we're going (it's easy, LEFT, as every time we move :P) and then fly straight there... if they're still alive by some miracle |
| 00:23.55 | WobWork | This one you only move a quarter of a circle and you're already fairly well faced |
| 00:24.02 | mikma | yeah. recount. i hate the people that spam the stats |
| 00:24.05 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: no, you just run through him, no circles. :P |
| 00:24.13 | Revery | the best part is |
| 00:24.15 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: yeah, that can lead to death for the slow ones =P |
| 00:24.20 | Gnarfoz | no it can't |
| 00:24.21 | Revery | the ppl who spam are the ppl who dont know how to use the meters |
| 00:24.29 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 00:24.30 | Revery | "i have a dmg meter for the whole 4 hour raid" |
| 00:24.31 | Revery | or |
| 00:24.46 | Revery | "look im top dmg on thaddius, but i didnt clear my meter when we jumped and your side had to stop dps early" |
| 00:24.47 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm not tolerating people *that* slow there. they would not make a void zone, either :P |
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| 00:27.03 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: I just end up with a sheet of paper in front of me with <--- different | same --> |
| 00:27.11 | WobWork | It really simplified the fight for me |
| 00:27.19 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: that reminds me of that "screen"shot :p |
| 00:27.39 | Rottenpotato | http://norganna.pastey.net/111423 |
| 00:27.40 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: point is: you still have to make that distinction. more people fail at that than at the moving :X |
| 00:27.43 | WobWork | cause I've had runs die because of misinformation about which way is positive and which is negative =) |
| 00:27.52 | Rottenpotato | can anyone see an error that would stop my fontstrings from showing up from the above link? |
| 00:28.12 | Revery | my favorite is <---- NEGATIVE (asshole) POSITIVE-----> |
| 00:28.13 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: my boss mods say "CHARGE CHANGED!" or "SAME CHARGE" or something |
| 00:28.27 | WobWork | whatever bigwigs do |
| 00:28.31 | mikma | rottenpotato: psssst, you can change the "norganna" to something more fitting |
| 00:28.47 | Rottenpotato | norganna? |
| 00:28.54 | WobWork | wowi? |
| 00:29.04 | WobWork | Rottenpotato.pastey.net ? |
| 00:29.15 | Rottenpotato | whaaaaaat? |
| 00:29.16 | mikma | yeah, go and try ishitbricks.pastey.net |
| 00:29.25 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: well... with 2-point-run-through-him "changed!" equals to "MOVE DAMNIT" (there IS only one direction to go, at all times ^^), "same, boring :o" equals to "stay put" :> |
| 00:29.32 | Rottenpotato | sorry i'm new to the whole 'pastey' thing |
| 00:29.38 | Rottenpotato | i have no idea what you're trying to tell me :P |
| 00:29.57 | mikma | rottenpotato: well go into url http://poop.pastey.net |
| 00:29.59 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: I still reckon the four point is faster =) |
| 00:30.12 | WobWork | given enough knowledge of strafing |
| 00:30.15 | Gnarfoz | dunno, I don't stop DPSing at any point :D |
| 00:30.33 | mikma | rottenpotato: after being in that url, go into http://ohlol.pastey.net |
| 00:30.36 | Gnarfoz | regardless, may I present: http://doppelagent.de/der-nom-nom-song |
| 00:31.10 | WobWork | plugs in the earphones just in time |
| 00:31.11 | Rottenpotato | what's the point of me going to these |
| 00:31.21 | mikma | you'll see when you get there |
| 00:31.29 | WobWork | ... does that rabbit have eyeshadow? |
| 00:31.43 | Rottenpotato | well, you're tryign to show me how domain names work obviously |
| 00:31.49 | Rottenpotato | why, i don't know |
| 00:32.27 | mikma | so you would stop using norganna.pastey.net and use ie. rottenpotato.pastey.net instead :D or wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 00:32.30 | Rottenpotato | oh |
| 00:32.34 | Rottenpotato | yea it just clicked |
| 00:32.36 | Rottenpotato | half a second |
| 00:32.38 | Rottenpotato | before you pasted that :P |
| 00:32.42 | Rottenpotato | durdurudr |
| 00:32.46 | Rottenpotato | i will from now on |
| 00:32.57 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: That's ... um the same dude that does the hamster on a piano |
| 00:33.13 | Gnarfoz | make sure to use "mikmaisanannoyingsonofa.pastey.net" :p |
| 00:33.20 | Rottenpotato | ANYWAY |
| 00:33.20 | Rottenpotato | http://rottenpotato.pastey.net/111425 |
| 00:33.22 | Rottenpotato | there you go |
| 00:33.26 | mikma | priceless. |
| 00:33.38 | Rottenpotato | my fontstrings aren't showing up in my frame for some reason |
| 00:33.48 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: possible! |
| 00:33.49 | Rottenpotato | i can't see why, but obviously something is missing |
| 00:33.53 | Jamash | do they have text? |
| 00:34.06 | WobWork | no no, it is =) |
| 00:34.06 | Rottenpotato | yes |
| 00:34.36 | NeoTron | do they have size? |
| 00:34.50 | Rottenpotato | hrrrrRRRRRRMmmmmmmmm |
| 00:35.29 | Jamash | according to wowwiki, fontstrings display without requiring explicit size |
| 00:35.44 | Rottenpotato | i definitely just put it in to check, too |
| 00:35.46 | Rottenpotato | no difference |
| 00:35.53 | WobWork | Parry Grip! |
| 00:36.46 | WobWork | http://parrygripp.com/ |
| 00:37.09 | Jamash | gawd |
| 00:37.09 | WobWork | specifically: http://parrygripp.com/Nom%20Nom%20Nom%20Nom%20Nom%20Nom%20Nom.html |
| 00:38.29 | Jamash | do any of the fontstrings display? |
| 00:38.31 | Rottenpotato | no |
| 00:38.33 | Jamash | hm |
| 00:39.22 | Jamash | and there's no errors in the framexml log |
| 00:39.33 | Rottenpotato | yep |
| 00:39.42 | Jamash | interesting |
| 00:40.19 | Rottenpotato | hrmm |
| 00:40.22 | Rottenpotato | i might have found an error |
| 00:40.29 | Rottenpotato | do fontstrings need to be in a layers element? |
| 00:40.38 | Rottenpotato | looking at other people's works as reference just now |
| 00:40.48 | Rottenpotato | <Layers> |
| 00:40.48 | Rottenpotato | <Layer level="ARTWORK"> |
| 00:40.48 | Rottenpotato | i'm seeing this in a few example |
| 00:40.53 | Rottenpotato | before fontstrings are applied |
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| 00:41.18 | Jamash | I create all my stuff in Lua, so I can't be much help with XML issues |
| 00:41.22 | Rottenpotato | ah ok |
| 00:42.55 | Rottenpotato | ok i found the error |
| 00:43.03 | Rottenpotato | for future reference, if you ever do start using xml |
| 00:43.16 | Rottenpotato | frames portion of the frame must be ended and layers begun |
| 00:43.28 | Rottenpotato | i guess fontstrings can only be applied within the layers->layer elements |
| 00:43.51 | Jamash | you can put fontstrings in a number of different places |
| 00:43.58 | Rottenpotato | in xml? |
| 00:44.04 | Rottenpotato | or do you mean in lua |
| 00:44.05 | Jamash | according to UI.xsd |
| 00:44.10 | Rottenpotato | hrm |
| 00:44.18 | Rottenpotato | well, apparently frames aren't one of them :) |
| 00:44.29 | Jamash | of course trying to read XML Schemas directly can lead to madness |
| 00:44.44 | Jamash | anyhoo, try getting an XML validator |
| 00:44.47 | Rottenpotato | haha |
| 00:45.03 | Jamash | that takes UI.xsd as one parameter and your xml file as the other |
| 00:45.04 | Rottenpotato | oh i have one |
| 00:45.09 | Rottenpotato | that's not the problem, it's the wow portion |
| 00:45.28 | Rottenpotato | my xml can be valid and still have errors in it |
| 00:45.30 | Rottenpotato | ...if that makes sense |
| 00:45.48 | Jamash | does your validator take the schema as an input? |
| 00:46.13 | Rottenpotato | no, it's straight "are elements set properly" |
| 00:46.30 | Rottenpotato | it's not an actual wow widget validator |
| 00:46.33 | Rottenpotato | if that's what you meant |
| 00:46.36 | Jamash | so you need one that can not only tell if the xml is valid, but if it is valid according to the schema |
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| 00:52.29 | WobWork | =( |
| 00:52.36 | WobWork | I wish we could get the Soul Train =P |
| 00:54.38 | Jamash | me too |
| 00:58.16 | Rottenpotato | is there a grouping option for checkboxes/radio buttons? |
| 00:58.26 | Rottenpotato | looks like checkbutton is all that's available |
| 00:58.27 | Legorol | nope |
| 00:58.35 | Rottenpotato | hrmmmm |
| 00:58.36 | Rottenpotato | damnit |
| 00:58.42 | Legorol | quite easy to implement in Lua though |
| 00:59.00 | Legorol | just give all the buttons in the same group the same event handler function |
| 00:59.07 | Legorol | and let the function trigger off of the button's id |
| 00:59.14 | Rottenpotato | hrmm |
| 00:59.23 | Rottenpotato | i'm thinking about what you're saying |
| 00:59.27 | Rottenpotato | and i want to continue with the heavy-xml trend |
| 00:59.35 | Rottenpotato | i think i'll make my buttons and group them ..."manually" |
| 00:59.38 | Jamash | anyone know of a gpl xml validator that supports schemas? |
| 00:59.40 | Rottenpotato | if the user clicks one |
| 00:59.42 | Rottenpotato | the other deselects |
| 00:59.46 | Rottenpotato | the others* |
| 00:59.53 | Legorol | that still requires Lua code |
| 00:59.58 | Rottenpotato | i know |
| 01:00.00 | Legorol | that's what i was saying essentially |
| 01:00.04 | Rottenpotato | ah ok |
| 01:00.11 | Legorol | i'm just saying you can accomplish that by giving all the buttons the same handler function |
| 01:00.34 | Rottenpotato | if buttonname ==blahblah then deselect butotn2/3 |
| 01:00.38 | Rottenpotato | type thing? |
| 01:00.47 | Legorol | no, something more clever |
| 01:00.53 | Rottenpotato | i'm not a clever person |
| 01:00.54 | Legorol | something along these lines: |
| 01:01.09 | Legorol | (assuming this is the function that gets executed when a button is checked): |
| 01:01.23 | Legorol | MyButtonGroup.currentId = thisButton'sid |
| 01:01.26 | Dewin | Jamash: Does it have to be GPL, or is free Free enough? And what OS? |
| 01:01.29 | Legorol | and then for all buttons in the group: |
| 01:01.41 | DWSR | This starting to fucking freak me out. |
| 01:01.48 | Legorol | if MyButtonGroup.currentId = thisButton'sid then set me checked, else set me unchecked |
| 01:01.50 | DWSR | I can hear Darth Vader on my vent, and NO ONE ELSE can hear it. |
| 01:02.03 | Jamash | Dewin: any FLOSS license, windows at least |
| 01:02.08 | Jamash | I just found one |
| 01:02.09 | Legorol | DWSR: your whole guild is in on it, and they are pulling a 1/4 on you |
| 01:02.22 | DWSR | Legorol: yeah, I'm thinking so |
| 01:02.27 | Legorol | unlikely |
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| 01:02.31 | Rottenpotato | hrm |
| 01:02.32 | Legorol | more likely you have local feedback issues |
| 01:02.40 | Dewin | Which Jamash? |
| 01:02.49 | Dewin | http://www.xmlcooktop.com/ isn't FLOSS, but it is free to use and I've had some success with it. |
| 01:02.55 | Jamash | XSV |
| 01:03.10 | DWSR | Oh, it's fucking WIM! |
| 01:03.44 | DWSR | WIM has April Fool's sounds |
| 01:04.17 | NeoTron | DWSR: was about to say that |
| 01:04.19 | Jamash | hee hee |
| 01:04.36 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: here is how I would implement it |
| 01:04.36 | DWSR | Was freaking the shit out of me. |
| 01:04.39 | Dewin | DWSR: Cheat Engine also does crap like that too. (Used it when I made addons for FFXI back in the day...) |
| 01:04.39 | Rottenpotato | ok i think i see what you're saying |
| 01:04.46 | DWSR | That's actually fucking annoying. |
| 01:04.47 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: actually, i'll make a pastey |
| 01:05.01 | DWSR | Every time I switch windows, it's making Darth noises. |
| 01:05.39 | Rottenpotato | on load, you add the three checkboxes to the buttongroup in the lua file - onclick of the button being clicked, you send the clicked button's id, the function is set to deselect all buttons that are not of that id |
| 01:05.44 | Dewin | My favorite Ventrilo "incident" |
| 01:05.59 | Dewin | RL on Vent: "Okay, any more questions?" Maghteridon: "How long do you think your pathetic sorcery can hold me?" |
| 01:08.06 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: pretty much, something like this: |
| 01:08.07 | Legorol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111427 |
| 01:08.22 | Legorol | MyCheckButton_OnClick is the function you'd set as handler for the OnClick event |
| 01:08.48 | Legorol | also, note the use of GetID: there is an XML attribute called "id" you can set for frames |
| 01:09.07 | Legorol | its typical use is exactly like this, to distinguish between individual members of a group of identical frames |
| 01:09.17 | Legorol | (checkbuttons being frames, they can have the id attribute) |
| 01:09.34 | Rottenpotato | yea looking it over |
| 01:09.53 | Rottenpotato | currentId = 0; |
| 01:09.58 | Rottenpotato | needs not be declared as local? |
| 01:10.02 | Legorol | probably |
| 01:10.05 | Rottenpotato | (still super new to lua) |
| 01:10.05 | Rottenpotato | k |
| 01:10.10 | Legorol | the pastey is just a rough outline to get the idea across |
| 01:10.13 | Rottenpotato | nod |
| 01:10.30 | Legorol | you'd have to have the buttons array suitably created as well, or have some other way of enumerating all of your checkbuttons |
| 01:10.59 | Rottenpotato | yea that's the main problem i was getting at |
| 01:11.08 | Rottenpotato | sec |
| 01:11.09 | Legorol | the alternative is something like: for i=1,n do getglobal("MyCheckButton"..i):SetChecked(blah) end |
| 01:11.18 | Rottenpotato | must think! |
| 01:11.29 | Legorol | if you name your buttons consistently, so that they contain a number, you can enumerate them like that |
| 01:12.21 | Legorol | it's one of the neater tricks: accessing a widget whose name you compose by string concatenation |
| 01:12.40 | Arrowmaster | _G["MyCheckButton"..i] |
| 01:12.43 | Legorol | (btw, the performance fanatics in here will probably point out that it should be |
| 01:12.46 | Legorol | see? |
| 01:12.48 | Arrowmaster | not getglobal("MyCheckButton"..i) |
| 01:12.50 | Legorol | Arrowmaster beat me to it :) |
| 01:13.06 | Rottenpotato | haha |
| 01:13.08 | Legorol | what Arrowmaster said technically gives better performance, but gives slightly less readable code |
| 01:13.17 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 01:13.29 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: personal preference. End of debate. |
| 01:13.29 | Arrowmaster | and getglobal is evil for other reasons that just performance |
| 01:13.35 | Legorol | I agree |
| 01:13.43 | Arrowmaster | it makes taint logs unreadable |
| 01:13.51 | Legorol | but Rottenpotato is just starting out, might as well give the most easily comprehendable version |
| 01:14.01 | Shirik | If you really want to taint stuff |
| 01:14.02 | Legorol | all right, i succumb |
| 01:14.17 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: do what they say and use _G["MyCheckButton"..i] |
| 01:14.18 | Shirik | local getglobal = getglobal; _G.getglobal = function(...) return getglboal(...) end |
| 01:14.21 | Shirik | win! |
| 01:14.34 | Legorol | rofl |
| 01:14.57 | mikma | shirik: imho /script UIParent = nil |
| 01:15.04 | Shirik | done it |
| 01:15.05 | Legorol | Shirik: how about copying the whole of _G to another table, emptying _G, and setting that table as the metatable for _G *grin* |
| 01:15.08 | Shirik | setfenv(0, {}) is more fun |
| 01:15.11 | Legorol | then you taint every global acces :o) |
| 01:15.20 | Rottenpotato | so..what is the difference between _G and getglobal exactly |
| 01:15.26 | Shirik | one's good and one's bad |
| 01:15.44 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: Shirik's answer is correct but not very enlightening :D so let me explain |
| 01:15.48 | Rottenpotato | haha |
| 01:15.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:16.11 | Legorol | unless you screwed with _G (which Shirik might do), the end result is the same |
| 01:16.16 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:16.17 | Shirik | I'm not evil |
| 01:16.26 | Legorol | who said you are evil? |
| 01:16.32 | Shirik | you said I would screw with _G |
| 01:16.35 | Legorol | however, getglobal involves a function call, whereas the _G form is a table access |
| 01:16.42 | Legorol | Shirik: screwing with _G is fun, and in no way evil |
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| 01:17.05 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: say you have a global variable named "apple" |
| 01:17.17 | Legorol | for example, you did apple = 3; somewhere in your code |
| 01:17.36 | Legorol | then the following two will return 3: getglobal("apple") and _G["apple"] or even _G.apple |
| 01:17.44 | Legorol | as will, of course, simply apple |
| 01:17.51 | Rottenpotato | right |
| 01:17.58 | Legorol | the power of getglobal and/or _G is that you can construct the name of the variable |
| 01:18.11 | Legorol | getglobal("app".."le") or _G["app".."le"] |
| 01:18.49 | Rottenpotato | that was a pretty confusing statement |
| 01:18.59 | Legorol | hm, ok |
| 01:19.21 | Rottenpotato | what do you mean by 'construct the name of the variable' |
| 01:19.27 | Legorol | let's say you have a global variable named apple2 |
| 01:19.30 | Rottenpotato | right |
| 01:19.31 | Kaso | imagine you want to have a variable Test1 Test2 you could do that for i=1,2 do getglobal("test"..i) end |
| 01:19.39 | Legorol | then you can access it with _G["apple"..2] |
| 01:19.41 | WobWork | it means you can programatically assign a name to look up |
| 01:19.46 | Rottenpotato | ah |
| 01:19.50 | Rottenpotato | i think i'm understanding it now |
| 01:19.50 | WobWork | without necessarily knowing the name |
| 01:19.57 | Rottenpotato | basically the ability to use wildcards |
| 01:20.00 | Legorol | there you go, others can explain better :) |
| 01:20.13 | WobWork | hm, not quite |
| 01:20.17 | Legorol | not quite, no |
| 01:20.29 | WobWork | You can't use wildcards, because in the end, the name of the variable must match exactly |
| 01:20.32 | Legorol | it allows you to access a variable whose name you *don't* know yet when writing your code |
| 01:20.47 | WobWork | but, given a predictable pattern (eg, apple1 apple2 apple3) you can work that way |
| 01:20.49 | Legorol | bear in mind that when you write this in your Lua code: |
| 01:20.50 | Legorol | apple = 3 |
| 01:20.55 | Legorol | if (apple == 3) then |
| 01:21.01 | Legorol | and so on, you knwo that the variable is called apple |
| 01:21.11 | Legorol | but what if you dont' know what the variable is called until you are actually running? |
| 01:21.36 | WobWork | which could happen if you're modifying someone elses code |
| 01:21.46 | WobWork | (that's current'y running) |
| 01:21.58 | Legorol | or, what is more common: if you have a group of variables, and you want to pick one of them |
| 01:21.58 | Rottenpotato | i'm slowly seeing what you're getting at |
| 01:22.12 | Legorol | Kaso's Test1, Test2 example was spot on |
| 01:22.29 | Legorol | let's say you have three buttons in your UI, and you named them Button1, Button2 and Button3 in your XML |
| 01:22.43 | Legorol | then you can decide, on the fly, which one you want to access and do things like this: |
| 01:22.43 | Kaso | (i got the capitalisation wrong but yeah ;p) |
| 01:22.49 | Legorol | x = 2 |
| 01:22.58 | Legorol | currentButton = _G["Button"..x] |
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| 01:23.21 | Rottenpotato | stopping you for half a second just to clarify something |
| 01:23.24 | Rottenpotato | is .. concatenation in lua |
| 01:23.25 | Legorol | sure |
| 01:23.26 | Rottenpotato | or is it strictly |
| 01:23.27 | Legorol | yes |
| 01:23.27 | Rottenpotato | for this |
| 01:23.29 | Rottenpotato | k |
| 01:23.35 | Legorol | it's string concatenation with type coercion |
| 01:24.06 | Legorol | let's say you wanted to do something to all three of your buttons, then you can do: |
| 01:24.27 | Legorol | for i=1,3 do currentButton = _G["Button"..i]; <do something to currentButton>; end |
| 01:25.14 | Rottenpotato | i=1,3 is i 1 through 3 in lua? |
| 01:25.18 | Rottenpotato | i'm assuming? |
| 01:25.19 | Legorol | yes |
| 01:25.20 | Rottenpotato | k |
| 01:25.23 | Dewin | gah, pastey's spam check is annoying |
| 01:25.29 | Legorol | Dewin: word |
| 01:25.37 | Rottenpotato | yea i stopped linking the ui part |
| 01:26.08 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111428 is why I use getglobal |
| 01:26.25 | Dewin | to fix an issue described here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=12890869449&postId=128896394118 |
| 01:27.40 | End | I don't understand malygos sometimes |
| 01:27.58 | Jamash | he's kael'thas 2.0 |
| 01:28.20 | End | he just breathed on the raid, highest person was me, but I was 10% behind the MT for threat |
| 01:28.32 | End | and this wasn't right after a vortex, either... |
| 01:29.06 | WobWork | End: It's that time of month |
| 01:29.32 | End | malygos is just a pissy bitch? |
| 01:29.37 | End | maybe he's like ony |
| 01:29.42 | End | I hear he deep breaths more |
| 01:30.49 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom deep breaths more. |
| 01:31.01 | Jamash | 2/10 |
| 01:31.39 | TC-Away | yes, but he is not wrong |
| 01:32.02 | Jamash | Okay, I take it back, XSV is not a suitable xml schema validator |
| 01:32.08 | Jamash | I can't understand its output |
| 01:33.02 | Dewin | Jamash: Try xmlcooktop.com |
| 01:35.11 | mikma | i really cant understand the us forums today =D |
| 01:36.00 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: this is a fully functional example: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111431 |
| 01:36.15 | Legorol | if you wanted to do it purely inside the XML file |
| 01:36.26 | Legorol | you'll notice that a bunch of code had to be necessarily copy/pasted |
| 01:36.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, I just found the terra-tron page |
| 01:36.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://starcraft2.com/features/terran/terratron.xml |
| 01:36.38 | Rottenpotato | taking a look |
| 01:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Those videos are awesome |
| 01:36.45 | Legorol | there are two solutions to that: using a template, or taking a bunch of that code to a Lua file |
| 01:36.51 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: i agree |
| 01:37.06 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: this checkbuttons have no look and feel defined, so they won't actually appear on the screen :) |
| 01:37.40 | Legorol | Also you'd probably use saner names, and MyButtonGroupCurrentID isn't a good idea either. All manners of data pertaining to your addon should probably be tucked away in a table |
| 01:37.43 | Shirik | Casinos are against ToS, no? |
| 01:37.48 | cog|away | no |
| 01:37.50 | Legorol | not in US anymore, afaik |
| 01:37.55 | Legorol | they still are in EU |
| 01:37.56 | cog|away | never were |
| 01:38.10 | cog|away | was just a post by eyonix saying pls dont do |
| 01:39.50 | mikma | shirik: they changed their "rules", casinos are now "legal" |
| 01:40.10 | Arrowmaster | i thought spamming was still not allowed |
| 01:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | spamming is not |
| 01:40.30 | kd3 | spamming is still not allowed |
| 01:40.35 | Jamash | one thing is you can now only see rolls if you're in someone's group |
| 01:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | which by definition |
| 01:40.36 | kd3 | right-click -> report spam works great for those |
| 01:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Is more than once per 30 seconds |
| 01:40.53 | Jamash | before casinos were generating tons of roll spam |
| 01:41.32 | Arrowmaster | they are still annoying and shouldnt be allowed to be publicly advertised |
| 01:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd imagine most people here agree with you |
| 01:42.19 | Shirik | ok, question |
| 01:42.22 | Shirik | If you had a HUGE number |
| 01:42.25 | mikma | i don't! thats how i cheat my money! |
| 01:42.30 | Shirik | say, an RSA exponent |
| 01:42.35 | Shirik | in hex |
| 01:42.38 | Shirik | how do you make it decimal? |
| 01:43.00 | Shirik | no I'm not doing it by hand |
| 01:43.06 | Jamash | sounds like you need bigint package |
| 01:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | The same way you would with a smaller number? |
| 01:43.28 | Jamash | how huge? |
| 01:43.31 | Rottenpotato | legoral - the way you wrote that code |
| 01:43.42 | Shirik | um |
| 01:43.53 | Rottenpotato | it doesn't trigger other unchecks of other buttons, does it? |
| 01:43.55 | Shirik | it's a 1024-bit RSA private key exponent |
| 01:43.55 | Rottenpotato | oh wait |
| 01:43.57 | Rottenpotato | nevermind |
| 01:43.59 | Shirik | whatever that is |
| 01:44.00 | Rottenpotato | i see where you went with that |
| 01:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, lots of division and modulus |
| 01:44.15 | mikma | shirik: stop hacking! |
| 01:44.19 | ZorbaTHut | or multiplication and addition depending on how you want to go about it |
| 01:44.27 | ZorbaTHut | (or both) |
| 01:44.29 | Jamash | use APL |
| 01:44.30 | Thunder_Child | make it 4096 for fun |
| 01:44.53 | Shirik | I was thinking "a tool I can use" |
| 01:44.58 | Shirik | not really "how to do it" |
| 01:45.04 | ZorbaTHut | out of curiosity, why? |
| 01:45.17 | ZorbaTHut | I imagine there's some linux calculator that supports bigints |
| 01:45.34 | ZorbaTHut | windows calc does also, though I'm not sure it will display that many digits of precision |
| 01:45.44 | Jamash | it won't |
| 01:46.26 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: the example i pastey-d is how you'd do it if you restricted yourself to just using an XML file, but it's ugly |
| 01:46.46 | Jamash | I'd go with bc |
| 01:46.47 | Legorol | current coding best practices would be more like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111433 |
| 01:47.18 | mikma | haha, zoot's post looks cool: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443405133&sid=1&pageNo=8#148 |
| 01:47.58 | Rottenpotato | that's actually the way i started to implement it |
| 01:48.20 | Rottenpotato | as much as i want to use xml, i don't want it to be the end-all-be-all |
| 01:48.21 | Legorol | there are minor variations between authors to suit their tastes |
| 01:48.27 | Rottenpotato | i just want it to hold information |
| 01:48.32 | Rottenpotato | where suitable |
| 01:48.42 | Legorol | some people like to store their functions inside their addon-specific table too, instead of having them global like in that example |
| 01:49.02 | mikma | " |
| 01:49.05 | mikma | In the near-darkness, Zootfizzle quickly changed into his garb of choice - a leather belt which bestowed four measures of both strength and stamina. HUNGGGHH HUNNNNGGHHH" |
| 01:49.11 | Jamash | I put all my stuff in one table, keeps things nice and neat |
| 01:50.09 | Dagmar | Pfft. Just de the greens already |
| 01:50.34 | Dagmar | +4 str +4 str is only good if you're a level 12 warrior maybe |
| 01:50.43 | WobWork | interesting: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/03/find-images-that-contain-certain-color.html |
| 01:51.02 | Legorol | Rottenpotato: in case it isn't clear from the code, the way I wrote it it should behave such that it doesn't allow you to uncheck the currently checked button, therefore working as a radio button |
| 01:52.10 | mikma | wobwork: april fool |
| 01:52.33 | Jamash | no, it works |
| 01:53.06 | mikma | i know, you spoiled it |
| 01:53.24 | Jamash | http://images.google.com/images?q=cheese&imgcolor=green&Search=Search |
| 01:53.28 | mikma | might be nsfw, but anyway http://images.google.com/images?q=porn&imgcolor=pink&Search=Search |
| 01:53.41 | Jamash | only "might"? |
| 01:54.07 | mikma | if you turn filter off |
| 01:54.51 | Jamash | it's pretty nswf even with the filter on |
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| 01:56.08 | mikma | might be |
| 01:57.19 | Arrowmaster | omg thats awesome |
| 01:57.56 | Dewin | that is neat |
| 01:59.29 | Dewin | ... http://www.naylorcreek.com/main/h_images/slimandtrim.jpg is apparently "purple" |
| 01:59.43 | Jamash | that's odd |
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| 02:01.16 | cog|away | http://images.google.com/images?q=evolution&imgcolor=purple <-- wow screenshots >< |
| 02:01.34 | Jamash | huh |
| 02:03.58 | cogwheel | ok... searching random, seemingly innocent terms in combination with a color is dangerous |
| 02:04.08 | cogwheel | emphasis on "seemingly" |
| 02:04.18 | Jamash | there are no innocent terms on the interweb |
| 02:04.43 | cogwheel | i suppose if i had thought the terms together in my head i could've guessed... |
| 02:05.20 | mikma | rule xx? - there are no innocent terms on the interweb |
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| 02:12.52 | mikma | here it starts. this nights fukung-marathon |
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| 02:18.34 | kd3 | oh wow. a usb pet rock |
| 02:18.43 | kd3 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/usb-pet-rock.html |
| 02:18.57 | Jamash | omg |
| 02:19.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html imo |
| 02:20.18 | kd3 | ooh, a betamax -> hd-dvd converter |
| 02:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | where? |
| 02:20.51 | kd3 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/betamaxhd.html |
| 02:20.52 | Dewin | kd3: lol "availability: 70's" |
| 02:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | that is amazing |
| 02:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And here it reads 80's |
| 02:21.15 | Thunder_Child | we need to have a list of collected links per day |
| 02:22.07 | Sixen1 | =/ |
| 02:23.14 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:23.16 | WobWork | http://www.bjork.com/news/?id=899 is a good one |
| 02:23.40 | Thunder_Child | go browse http://aprilfoolsdayontheweb.com/ and have fun |
| 02:23.44 | Arrowmaster | doesnt wikipedia make a list every year? |
| 02:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 02:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | random people do FOR wikipedia ;D |
| 02:24.29 | cogwheel | ding rev 666 on my svn repo... <.< |
| 02:24.37 | Dewin | is it buggy? |
| 02:26.25 | mikma | muhahaha, http://fukung.net/v/2557/hot_school_girls.jpg |
| 02:27.08 | Thunder_Child | sexy |
| 02:27.48 | mikma | think so? i only thought it as funny! |
| 02:28.18 | WobWork | hm, that's pretty comprehensive, Thunder_Child |
| 02:28.22 | cogwheel | wtb addon kit that doesn't make noise |
| 02:28.40 | Thunder_Child | kinda the idea WobWork |
| 02:29.04 | WobWork | thanks for that link =) |
| 02:29.10 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
| 02:30.47 | mikma | hahahaha |
| 02:30.58 | mikma | NiN album with timbaland |
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| 02:32.37 | WobWork | http://www.nin.com/strobelight/ |
| 02:32.40 | WobWork | classy =) |
| 02:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ track list |
| 02:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 02:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nin.com/strobelight/error.html is what pulls up if you just click submit |
| 02:36.00 | Rottenpotato | looking through the methods of the editbox class, i'm not seeing any way to disable the editbox |
| 02:36.09 | Rottenpotato | is there a way to do this? |
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| 02:37.29 | Gngsk | so I cancelled my account today and in the box where they ask why i wrote that i wasn't going to pay for addons |
| 02:37.39 | Jamash | snrk |
| 02:38.09 | Rottenpotato | haha |
| 02:38.36 | cogwheel | 4rl? |
| 02:38.53 | Gngsk | nah, but I bet somem people did |
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| 02:41.26 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/10468/13538a1f22270ba3a0776634b94ba9ad.jpg |
| 02:41.58 | Tewan | Thunder_Child: wtf is "piss" a tag for? lol |
| 02:42.08 | Thunder_Child | i dont know |
| 02:42.12 | Thunder_Child | i didnt do the tag |
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| 02:45.17 | Thunder_Child | i think someone has a little hate http://fukung.net/v/7111/errormsgs.jpg |
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| 02:46.51 | Paroid | Is there a good explanation somewhere of override bindings for buttons? I had assumed they just took effect when the button is visible, but that doesn't seem to be the case |
| 02:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | random: http://fukung.net/v/9812/5d8e75229e71d310dbe570a7f3c9c590.jpg |
| 02:48.26 | Arrowmaster | they take effect from when they are created to until you call clearoverrides on the frame they are assigned to |
| 02:48.50 | Iriel | What Arrowmaster said (nicely put, BTW) |
| 02:48.58 | Thunder_Child | much mor amsuing (warning, requires reading) http://fukung.net/v/164/nguyen_essay4.jpg |
| 02:49.01 | Thunder_Child | more* |
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| 02:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: curious, done anything with your i7 yet? |
| 02:49.59 | Paroid | So I have a frame which contains action buttons and I want to take over the normal hotkeys 1 through =, I should call SetOverrideBindingClick when I make the buttons visible and call clearoverrides when I hide the buttons? |
| 02:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | (that, you know, you couldn't have done on any other machine you own) |
| 02:50.58 | Arrowmaster | Paroid: yes |
| 02:51.00 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: I'd've given him an A |
| 02:51.16 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, which is why you are NOT a teacher |
| 02:51.32 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Played Crysis at smooth framerates? 8-) |
| 02:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: ha |
| 02:51.58 | mikma | haha |
| 02:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I got curious.. this was the result: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/videos.png |
| 02:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Each of those videos |
| 02:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, the Serenity clips are 720p |
| 02:52.12 | mikma | "we responded by killing princess di" |
| 02:52.13 | Iriel | I did cave and order a 120Hz monitor and LCD shutter glasses |
| 02:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | The batman begins is 1080p |
| 02:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | All of those are being drawn full size and scaled down with the GPU |
| 02:52.34 | Iriel | so THAT will be something I couldn't do with my former (non vista, older cards) machines |
| 02:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, nice |
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| 02:54.11 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: one 720p and 5 1080p videos at once? |
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| 02:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | 3 and 3 |
| 02:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Or you can have 11 720 videos |
| 02:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/boat.png |
| 02:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I debated doing more but got bored |
| 02:55.05 | Arrowmaster | what happens when you added a 12th? |
| 02:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I got bored |
| 02:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I could have |
| 02:55.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah that shows how out dated my pc is, i can barely play one 720p video |
| 02:56.09 | Arrowmaster | and you can play 11 |
| 02:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | My old one could play a 720 |
| 02:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But not a 1080 |
| 02:56.46 | Jamash | I don't have a screen big enough to dispaly 1080 so it's somewhat moot |
| 02:56.54 | Jamash | s/dispaly/display/ |
| 02:57.37 | kd3 | sadly, neither do I |
| 02:58.07 | Arrowmaster | good lcds are too expensive or i would have one large enough |
| 02:59.10 | cogwheel | so did joystick support get postponed for another patch? |
| 02:59.23 | kd3 | it got pulled from the xml 2 ptr builds ago |
| 02:59.25 | Dagmar | yES. |
| 02:59.31 | kd3 | iirc |
| 02:59.36 | kd3 | checks his sent message log |
| 02:59.44 | Rottenpotato | is there a way to disable / enable editboxes |
| 02:59.56 | Rottenpotato | i can't find anything under the widget api |
| 03:00.45 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox |
| 03:01.02 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox/ClearFocus |
| 03:01.20 | cogwheel | clearfocus & enablemouse(nil) iirc |
| 03:01.44 | Rottenpotato | so i can't disable the widget itself, i have to disable the ability to use mouse or keyboard with it? |
| 03:02.13 | cogwheel | if you inherited a template, check the code that goes along with the template |
| 03:02.27 | cogwheel | if you built it yourself you'll have to handle all the visual/functional changes yourself |
| 03:02.35 | Rottenpotato | i built it |
| 03:02.39 | Rottenpotato | good fun |
| 03:02.42 | Arrowmaster | if you call clearfocus on it then it wont accept input until setfocus is called on it by doing something like clicking it |
| 03:03.06 | mikma | nsfw, house-humor: http://fukung.net/v/5872/1165948661853.jpg |
| 03:04.08 | Thunder_Child | heh, "computer freaks" http://fukung.net/v/9403/youmakemesick.jpg |
| 03:05.13 | Jamash | so, just to be clear, is there anyone who doesn't make this guy sick? |
| 03:05.26 | Thunder_Child | doesnt seem like it |
| 03:08.35 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/11189/codersgu6.jpg |
| 03:10.22 | mikma | hahaa |
| 03:10.27 | mikma | thats cool |
| 03:10.35 | mikma | make the user feel bad |
| 03:11.05 | Thunder_Child | fail http://fukung.net/v/13418/kittyswallow.jpg |
| 03:12.49 | Jamash | man I hope nobody's trying to actually read zootfizzle's animation API post |
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| 03:13.49 | Dagmar | Too many words? |
| 03:13.57 | cogwheel | too many april fools words |
| 03:14.01 | Arrowmaster | nsfw http://fukung.net/v/13158/49c0543b3ffaecb8b71e0946ad1627fb.jpg |
| 03:14.47 | cogwheel | ââ, said Zootfizzle without remorse. |
| 03:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | His silence is deadly |
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| 03:17.28 | kd3 | âWhat happened to files.wowace.com?â, he stated, as he liberally applied his custom fragrance, which was made with bits of real nightsaber. |
| 03:17.31 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:17.34 | cogwheel | is it wrong of me to purposefully withhold an answer from a toon named Omgihealuomg |
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| 03:17.52 | Jamash | cogwheel: no |
| 03:18.27 | Arrowmaster | you know you just have to add http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/new-hp/js/forum.js to adblock and its perfectly readable |
| 03:18.43 | Jamash | great, I finally got a free software validating xml editor and I find the XML I'm editing is riddled with errors |
| 03:20.21 | mikma | hahaha, good night sweet prince!! http://fukung.net/v/12456/e260eb2553d5ea8b3f641a2b167ddc7d.gif |
| 03:20.24 | kd3 | Zootfizzle looked over his shoulder, motioning that he still had one thing up his sleeve ⦠make that three things ⦠on each hand, so, like, six things total. |
| 03:20.27 | mikma | thats awesome |
| 03:20.31 | kd3 | har |
| 03:20.43 | Jamash | blizzard loves them some penny arcade |
| 03:21.13 | Dagmar | Probably because PA loves Blizzard |
| 03:21.19 | Iriel | And The Lonely Island (they've got a quote from 'Ji** in my pants' in whispers on one of the dance battle screenshots |
| 03:22.17 | Codayus | I noticed a Sam and Max quote I think. |
| 03:22.31 | Iriel | On the dialog tree? |
| 03:23.28 | kd3 | "This isn't my bedroom" |
| 03:23.42 | Codayus | For the forum wrapping stuff, I think. Obviously can't find it now, but I think they used the "swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas" line |
| 03:24.02 | Codayus | Or a close variant. |
| 03:30.07 | Jamash | did I mention that XML is a creation of the elder gods, its true function to erode the sanity of those who view it? |
| 03:32.51 | Codayus | Heh |
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| 03:33.09 | Codayus | Ever tried messing with procmail config files? They look like line noise. :-/ |
| 03:33.37 | kd3 | cowers in fear |
| 03:33.50 | Jamash | no, thankfully |
| 03:33.52 | kd3 | I've had nightmares about procmail before |
| 03:34.25 | Jamash | according to this validator, NormalFont does not have the inherits attribute |
| 03:35.40 | Paroid | So, I can't seem to call SetOverrideBindingClick() from within a SecureHandlerClickTemplate _onClick snippet. Is there an attribute way of enabling a keybinding during a secure frame event? |
| 03:36.23 | Arrowmaster | i thought the SetOverride stuff was in the restricted env |
| 03:36.42 | Iriel | It is, but as a frame method |
| 03:36.46 | Iriel | (since it requires a frame) |
| 03:36.54 | Paroid | Oh, nevermind, there's a function for it on the handler class, I just need to read the documentation more |
| 03:42.13 | WobWork | the js for the forums is just amusing to read |
| 03:45.09 | WobWork | also |
| 03:45.17 | WobWork | I'd totally roll an Archivist in D3 |
| 03:47.12 | Iriel | Yeah |
| 03:47.17 | Iriel | I love the quest bolt |
| 03:47.18 | Iriel | I want |
| 03:47.39 | Iriel | Did anyone notice the brain in the 'mana globe' ? |
| 03:49.52 | Jamash | yep |
| 03:49.54 | Zootfizzle | Shush was good |
| 03:49.59 | Jamash | branquarium |
| 03:50.03 | Jamash | brainquarium |
| 03:50.16 | WobWork | I found it amusing he oneshot died after every example =) |
| 03:50.22 | Zootfizzle | It'd be like playing a wisp from wc3 |
| 03:50.35 | Zootfizzle | Can you imagine nightmare mode? |
| 03:50.40 | Zootfizzle | No dying? |
| 03:50.51 | Jamash | s/nightmare/hardcore/ |
| 03:50.58 | Dagmar | Heroic. ;) |
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| 04:02.56 | Jamash | hmm, EditingUI is sort of working |
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| 04:19.21 | NeoTron | Zootfizzle: sort of like Immortal? :P |
| 04:21.23 | Jamash | immortal with 1 hp |
| 04:24.53 | Paroid | Is there any way to tell from a secure OnClick wrapper if the click event actually triggered an ability/macro? |
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| 04:50.24 | WobWork | http://www.cockeyed.com/incredible/solardish/dish01.shtml <-- uber cool |
| 04:52.02 | Dagmar | I love how he has to reassembled the dish |
| 04:52.04 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 04:52.11 | Shirik | It's always fun watchint two friends haggle a price |
| 04:52.14 | Dagmar | They're a bitch when they're new and you have all the pieces |
| 04:52.19 | Shirik | Me: buying, him:selling |
| 04:52.32 | Shirik | Him: 10g, Me: 12g, Him: 11g, Me: 13g, Him: no stop that |
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| 05:09.04 | kd3 | yay, [Epic]! |
| 05:09.15 | kd3 | only took 2 weeks before 3.1 |
| 05:09.19 | Jamash | grats |
| 05:10.18 | WobWork | I'm so glad that sigil dropped for me =P |
| 05:10.25 | WobWork | I havne't seen it drop since =P |
| 05:12.46 | WobWork | http://www.teefury.com/images/articles/portfolio-side-pic.jpg |
| 05:13.07 | WobWork | hehe I like the MLP and the cowtroopers =) |
| 05:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | WTF |
| 05:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.defenestrationguild.com/ <-- my BC guild, which is now dead but with active forums |
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| 05:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That... 'skin' is new |
| 05:17.41 | msou| | Top of the morning |
| 05:25.08 | msou| | The last two quests in ghostland were difficult |
| 05:26.26 | msou| | it's a group quest, but wjhat if you play alone and got no ones help? I don't like to abandon quests myself :) |
| 05:27.05 | WobWork | the "kill the guy in the middle of the temple" one? |
| 05:27.06 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:27.16 | msou| | the deatholme one |
| 05:27.25 | msou| | and the two fat guys |
| 05:27.30 | WobWork | That' offers tranquillen rep, right? |
| 05:27.41 | WobWork | or belf rep |
| 05:27.46 | msou| | I think so yeah |
| 05:28.10 | msou| | tranquillen one |
| 05:28.22 | msou| | I remember its called deatholme |
| 05:28.38 | msou| | to go to some sort of a castle and kill and ressurrect two blood elves |
| 05:28.45 | Jamash | editingui is killing my addon's frames :( |
| 05:28.57 | msou| | kill the bad guys and resurrect the be's that is |
| 05:29.29 | msou| | WobWork: my highest lvl char so far, 19! :-) |
| 05:29.50 | msou| | I liked the two rewards, ring and the sword. 18 something dps |
| 05:31.29 | WobWork | the tranquillen rep rewards were pretty good |
| 05:31.38 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: editingui was made for like 2.1 i think and probably never updated since then |
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| 05:32.23 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: I know, I'm fixing it. |
| 05:32.39 | Jamash | I've got it almost working, but there's some strange issues |
| 05:33.05 | Jamash | when I browse to my other addon's frames, it makes them non-interactive |
| 05:33.56 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrDxe9gK8Gk |
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| 05:34.50 | Cidan | I have decided. |
| 05:35.08 | NightHawkTheSane | what do you think you are, the decider? |
| 05:35.21 | Cidan | YES, YES I AM >:C |
| 05:35.43 | NightHawkTheSane | oh. |
| 05:35.46 | msou| | I never heard tha term the decider, except the one time from Mr Bush |
| 05:35.49 | NightHawkTheSane | well, carry on then |
| 05:35.56 | Cidan | I'm going to drop Computer Science, and stick with Psychology and Sociology. |
| 05:36.22 | Thunder_Child | good for you |
| 05:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 05:36.44 | msou| | Cidan: Good plan, a piece of advise though. do whatever is best for you and you know for a fact you'll get a decent job/decent money in the future :) |
| 05:36.47 | Thunder_Child | cant have a job that makes you money now can we |
| 05:37.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: do those degrees come with applications to mcdonalds, too? |
| 05:37.07 | Cidan | They do |
| 05:37.11 | Cidan | Stapled right on, actually. |
| 05:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you're all set, then |
| 05:37.31 | msou| | CS and McDonalds? |
| 05:37.32 | Thunder_Child | it's prolly mcd's that gives it to him in the first place |
| 05:37.34 | msou| | Confused |
| 05:37.57 | Cidan | I've come to realize that people drive my life. I wake up in the morning for people, to work with people, to talk to people, to interact with social groups and study how it all works. I've written so much on the subject it's sick, and in my heart, I know it's what I want. |
| 05:38.10 | msou| | it seems you guys know eachother and have a personal vendetta |
| 05:38.17 | Cidan | Not at all, xD |
| 05:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Cidan: see, i noticed the same thing. Instead of changing majors, i just stopped associating with people |
| 05:38.23 | Thunder_Child | msou|, the joke is that you cant make a living off of Psychology and Sociology |
| 05:38.27 | NightHawkTheSane | msou|: no, we're just assholes ;) |
| 05:38.32 | Cidan | NightHawkTheSane: Bahahah, :P |
| 05:38.43 | msou| | NightHawkTheSane: Fair enough :) |
| 05:39.50 | Jamash | Is there anything wrong with using SetPoint to stretch a UI element between to others instead of setting an explicit width and height? |
| 05:39.57 | Jamash | s/to/two/ |
| 05:40.02 | Jamash | asdfasf |
| 05:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | not really, the only difference is that with set point, if your anchors change size/position, the element that you setpointed to them may also |
| 05:40.43 | Arrowmaster | thats like one of the main uses for setpoint |
| 05:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | In some cases, this is a desirable result. |
| 05:40.52 | NightHawkTheSane | (most cases, actually) |
| 05:41.00 | Jamash | I'm just wondering if that's why I can EditingUI to move the blizzard UI elements around, but doing so with my addon breaks it |
| 05:41.55 | Arrowmaster | depends on what you are moving |
| 05:42.26 | Cidan | Jamash: It's actually a good way to do it if you have an element inside of an element. ie: a cell in a grid, for example. |
| 05:42.35 | Arrowmaster | many parts of the blizzard ui cannot be moved due to how they interact with other parts, and you have to move a specific frame to effect it |
| 05:42.40 | Jamash | hmm, that can't be it, it's also breaking elements that are explicitely setwidth and setheight'ed |
| 05:43.23 | Thunder_Child | Cidan, the problem is the default job for that is teaching |
| 05:46.45 | Thunder_Child | is it bad when a police chopper keeps hovering round your house? |
| 05:46.57 | Jamash | yes |
| 05:47.02 | cog|away | only if you go outside imo |
| 05:47.14 | Jamash | they might have IR and snipers |
| 05:47.30 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, i have a thermal cover |
| 05:47.44 | Thunder_Child | however it is noisy |
| 05:49.14 | Jamash | I want a wow debugger |
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| 05:55.41 | kd3|hate`net | hatred |
| 05:55.56 | kd3 | heard the thunder... said something in /ra |
| 05:56.02 | kd3 | 30 seconds later down goes the router |
| 05:56.06 | kd3 | s/router/modem/ |
| 05:59.12 | Jamash | bleh, globals |
| 05:59.31 | Jamash | EditingUI uses a ton of them |
| 06:00.11 | Thunder_Child | kd3, get a different one? |
| 06:00.32 | kd3 | wouldn't do me much good if it wasn't an upstream problem |
| 06:00.47 | Thunder_Child | kd3, i meant ISP |
| 06:01.27 | kd3 | I'd love to. but in the middle of nowhere it's dsl, dsl, dsl (all over the same line, just sold by different people), or dialup |
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| 06:01.53 | Jamash | or satellite, which is fail |
| 06:01.54 | Thunder_Child | kd3, what do you do for cable tv then? |
| 06:02.00 | kd3 | satellite |
| 06:02.06 | kd3 | <3 dtv |
| 06:02.18 | Thunder_Child | ah, and dtv dropped their cable a while back |
| 06:02.24 | Thunder_Child | i know, i used to have that |
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| 06:04.15 | Arrowmaster` | kd3 mentions his modem going down and then instantly mine does........ |
| 06:05.42 | kd3 | hm, 1800 spellpower unbuffed |
| 06:06.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:06.36 | DWSR | my girlfriend set her Facebook status to 'spends her mana reserves casting Mighty Fuck of the Beyondness' |
| 06:07.36 | Arrowmaster | it was atleast with you right? |
| 06:07.49 | DWSR | of course |
| 06:07.53 | Thordurin | one (him) can hope |
| 06:08.03 | Thordurin | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:08.09 | Cairenn | hugs Thordurin |
| 06:08.32 | Thordurin | hi there! =D |
| 06:09.11 | Cairenn | hey :) |
| 06:10.20 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You have no idea who bloodninja is, do you? |
| 06:10.38 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 06:10.45 | WobWork | puts on his robe and wizard's hat |
| 06:10.50 | DWSR | :D |
| 06:10.57 | Arrowmaster | i was around when that first happened |
| 06:11.02 | DWSR | me too |
| 06:11.31 | Fisker- | harasses Arrowmaster |
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| 06:12.55 | Fisker- | am i the only only getting a e-mail box on http://eu.battle.net ? |
| 06:13.54 | DWSR | Fisker-: yes |
| 06:13.58 | DWSR | I get a splash |
| 06:14.06 | kd3 | rgah |
| 06:15.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.29 | Cairenn | btw, Dolby? Jason says you're THE MAN! |
| 06:15.39 | Sargeras | well |
| 06:15.41 | Sargeras | he is |
| 06:15.43 | Cairenn | yup |
| 06:15.54 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Sargeras!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by Dolby (Dolby) |
| 06:15.57 | NeoTron | Cairenn: what is WoWI's rules on submitting "binary" files? Specifically I have MagicDKP Downloader, which is a java app |
| 06:15.57 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 06:16.29 | NeoTron | source is open but I don't plan to package it with the file itself (it's on wowace svn) |
| 06:16.30 | Fisker- | kick me kick me! |
| 06:16.30 | Kemayo | "Abandon hope all ye who enter here" |
| 06:16.45 | Cairenn | NeoTron: Shirik or Dolby has to be able to tear it apart to make sure it's "safe" |
| 06:17.09 | nevcairiel | Its java, it can be decompiled =P |
| 06:17.12 | Fisker- | verbally abuses Dolby |
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| 06:17.31 | Cairenn | NeoTron: as long as they are happy with it, and presuming that it's going in the WoW Tools & Utilities category, it's fine |
| 06:17.39 | NeoTron | naturally |
| 06:17.55 | NeoTron | MagicDKP isn't on wowi at all yet |
| 06:18.00 | NeoTron | since I hadn't cared about it beforehand :P |
| 06:18.03 | DWSR | is now listening to Pendulum's Propane Nightmares (Celldweller remix) in FLAC in MediaMonkey |
| 06:18.04 | DWSR | woot |
| 06:18.05 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: I know, was just saying though |
| 06:18.17 | Cairenn | he asked, so I answered :) |
| 06:18.24 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: obfuscate the code a bit, so shirik has some fun |
| 06:18.56 | Shirik | obfuscation can only get you so far ;) |
| 06:19.12 | Shirik | You can't obfuscate the library calls you make |
| 06:19.23 | Cairenn | smacks DWSR with a handy "we don't care what the hell you're listening to so get rid of that stupid irc gadget" stick |
| 06:19.36 | nevcairiel | He can use funny variable names to make fun of you! |
| 06:19.43 | DWSR | it's manual |
| 06:19.48 | cog|away | then stop |
| 06:19.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ShirikIsAHoser++; |
| 06:19.49 | cog|away | :P |
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| 06:20.17 | Thunder_Child | Shirik's correct NeoTron, just fill it with commented out snide remarks about Shirik then |
| 06:20.54 | Jamash | comments don't appear in bytecode, you want them in string constants |
| 06:21.02 | NeoTron | lol |
| 06:21.56 | NeoTron | using IntelliJ IDEA makes me miss that functionality (completion, refactoring etc) when writing lua stuff |
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| 06:25.21 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 06:25.50 | tekkub | sucks |
| 06:26.26 | Cairenn | NeoTron: the other thing that we don't post - if it's someone who has been a long term member of the site, in good standing, etc - we're much more likely to allow it |
| 06:26.38 | Cairenn | if it's someone brand new that we've never heard of, etc |
| 06:26.41 | Fisker- | agreed tekkub |
| 06:26.45 | Fisker- | Shirik sucks so much |
| 06:26.50 | Fisker- | he couldn't even kick me if he wanted to |
| 06:26.56 | Cairenn | we don't even bother checking, it's basically rejected out of hand |
| 06:27.36 | NeoTron | makes sense |
| 06:27.48 | NeoTron | it's a very small piece of code so should be easy enough to verify |
| 06:28.22 | Cairenn | once you (generic) have a reputation in the community worth trying to keep, you're less likely to do something malicious |
| 06:28.59 | Cairenn | we still check, but at least we /do/ check, instead of just saying "ha, yeah right, I don't THINK so! /delete" |
| 06:29.03 | Fisker- | goes berserk |
| 06:29.29 | Cairenn | Fisker-: what do you mean "goes" ? |
| 06:29.39 | Jamash | casts Tranquilizing Shot on Fisker- |
| 06:29.42 | krka | NeoTron: why not distribute the source too, and the scripts required to build it? |
| 06:29.51 | krka | shouldn't have any impact on zip size |
| 06:30.03 | Fisker- | naww Jamash |
| 06:30.13 | krka | that would make it easier to verify that the binary is indeed generated from the source |
| 06:30.16 | Fisker- | berserk is the ability the boss uses after a set amount of time that can't be dispelled |
| 06:30.24 | Jamash | was hoping nobody would notice. |
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| 06:30.38 | Fisker- | kills Jamash as the first |
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| 06:33.55 | NeoTron | krka: source is in svn which is good enough for GPL and good enough for me :P |
| 06:34.04 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/01/funny-pictures-more-fabulous-than-you/ |
| 06:34.31 | NeoTron | so not too hard to download the source via svn and compile it (although the build files are for IDEA) |
| 06:34.56 | krka | NeoTron: sure, but it's easier for wowi to verify the authenticy if it's distributed |
| 06:35.09 | krka | and it's not hard to include the source, and it doesn't take much more space |
| 06:35.21 | krka | and it's easier to connect binary versions with source versions |
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| 06:47.30 | Arrowmaster | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/get-ready-for-metered-broadband-texas.ars |
| 06:47.43 | Arrowmaster | "One ISP told me that a single subscriber last year used 4TB of data transferâin a single month." |
| 06:47.58 | Fisker- | halløjsa |
| 06:48.05 | nevcairiel | is that so uncommon there? |
| 06:48.06 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 06:48.09 | Fisker- | that's not bad |
| 06:48.43 | Arrowmaster | i love google |
| 06:48.45 | Arrowmaster | http://www.google.com/search?q=4+terabytes+per+month+in+megabits+per+second |
| 06:48.53 | Fisker- | haha |
| 06:48.54 | Arrowmaster | 4 (terabytes per month) = 12.759582 megabits per second |
| 06:48.58 | Fisker- | win |
| 06:49.07 | Jamash | so that's a pretty beefy connection being used 100% of the time |
| 06:49.10 | Fisker- | so even i could do it |
| 06:49.15 | Fisker- | beefy? |
| 06:49.21 | Fisker- | You guys don't got 100/100? |
| 06:49.23 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 06:49.23 | Arrowmaster | my home cable plan cant even reach that speed |
| 06:49.40 | Jamash | I think mine is 3 Mbps |
| 06:49.47 | Jamash | We could go higher but it'd cost a lot |
| 06:49.50 | Arrowmaster | mines somewhere between 7 and 10 |
| 06:50.20 | Fisker- | Outside the big cities we got 10-20Mbps as the highest, except in some areas where optical fiber is, there you got 25->100mbps and in the big cities you have up to 100mbps |
| 06:50.22 | Fisker- | as far as i recall |
| 06:50.32 | Arrowmaster | timewarner does the uncapping on short transfers that comcast started so its hard to get accurate speed tests |
| 06:50.44 | Fisker- | mine is a 10/10 because no optical fibar here ;_; |
| 06:51.02 | Fisker- | err |
| 06:51.03 | Fisker- | 10/1 :D |
| 06:51.17 | Arrowmaster | 7000/384 |
| 06:51.27 | Jamash | 7 gigabit? |
| 06:51.30 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:51.52 | Jamash | :P |
| 06:52.00 | Arrowmaster | empisizing my shitty upload |
| 06:52.41 | Jamash | so I have 3 Mbps/1 Mbps and I could get 18 Mbps / 1.5 Mbps |
| 06:53.14 | Arrowmaster | but yes as far as uncommon, i dont know of any US cable companys that have higher than 12Mbps plans for residental |
| 06:53.32 | Arrowmaster | i think business can get upto 20Mbps |
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| 06:55.49 | Jamash | Comcast is claiming to offer 50 Mbps in my area |
| 06:56.30 | Arrowmaster | over normal cable? |
| 06:56.42 | Jamash | that's what they say |
| 06:56.45 | Arrowmaster | i only knew of fios and u-verse going that high |
| 06:56.57 | Arrowmaster | im still waiting on fios here |
| 06:57.45 | Jamash | that's for $140 a month |
| 06:58.16 | Arrowmaster | thats about what verison wants for 50/50 fios i think |
| 06:58.24 | Arrowmaster | which id pay |
| 06:58.46 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt pay comcast that much though because theyre twats |
| 06:58.58 | Jamash | what'd you do with all that bandwidth? |
| 06:58.59 | Syzgyn | I can only imagine how much more time I would spend online if I had a nice fios connection |
| 06:59.35 | Arrowmaster | i would probably end up spending a lot more money on harddrives |
| 06:59.40 | Jamash | I've considered upgrading from 3Mb/s but I honestly can't think of anything I need it for. |
| 07:00.12 | Syzgyn | Arrowmaster: Very true |
| 07:00.14 | Corrodias | is that upstream, Jamash? |
| 07:00.18 | Jamash | at those speeds you can download more TV than you can actually watch |
| 07:00.30 | Corrodias | downstream is cheap, nobody cares about that |
| 07:00.34 | Corrodias | we're talking upstream. |
| 07:00.41 | Corrodias | no ISP wants to give you that. >:( |
| 07:00.57 | Arrowmaster | no cable company wants to |
| 07:01.04 | Arrowmaster | the dsls do |
| 07:01.10 | Jamash | uverse doesn't |
| 07:01.12 | Corrodias | maybe, but they can't |
| 07:01.27 | Corrodias | as i recall, ADSL technology doesn't support more than 1.5 upstream |
| 07:01.36 | Jamash | if you scroll up a bit you can see that they're offering 6x the downstream and 1.5x the upstream at the high end |
| 07:01.38 | Arrowmaster | people still use adsl? |
| 07:01.45 | Jamash | of course |
| 07:01.57 | Corrodias | what other DSL do you suggest? SDSL? that's not popular around here, i can say that. |
| 07:02.00 | Jamash | people still use modems |
| 07:02.03 | Arrowmaster | vdsl |
| 07:02.20 | Arrowmaster | (hint u-verse IS vdsl) |
| 07:02.31 | Corrodias | hm. well, that's not offered here. |
| 07:02.54 | Corrodias | although i wonder what sort of restrictions AT&T puts on it |
| 07:03.28 | Arrowmaster | well first they make your town look fugly with a bunch of giant exploding metal boxes everywhere |
| 07:03.44 | Corrodias | that part's okay; i hate going outside anyway. ;D |
| 07:05.14 | Arrowmaster | im going to bed |
| 07:05.19 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 07:05.45 | NeoTron | Sitting at 20/5 here. |
| 07:15.22 | Shirik | Anyone here want to have some fun? (Java or C knowledge preferable) |
| 07:15.32 | Shirik | I want you to confirm that a given block of code does absolutely nothing |
| 07:15.41 | zenzio | pastey? |
| 07:15.44 | Jamash | I know enough of both to know better than to take you up on it |
| 07:15.47 | Shirik | let me finish writing it first |
| 07:15.49 | Shirik | but I will |
| 07:15.57 | krka | ~asktoask |
| 07:15.57 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 07:16.05 | Shirik | frowns at krka |
| 07:16.10 | Shirik | I'm not on your ignore list, krka |
| 07:16.12 | zenzio | lol |
| 07:16.12 | Shirik | I refuse to listen to you |
| 07:16.57 | Jamash | if (unsolved higher math conjecture is true) do nothing; else reformat user's hard drive |
| 07:17.47 | krka | it felt relevant |
| 07:17.57 | Jamash | actually that would make a great internet worm |
| 07:18.19 | krka | like the 3n+1 thingy? |
| 07:18.44 | Jamash | or whatever |
| 07:18.55 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:19.24 | Shirik | ok here we go |
| 07:19.26 | Shirik | http://pastey.net/111446 |
| 07:19.26 | Jamash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsolved_problems_in_mathematics |
| 07:19.36 | Shirik | Please tell me this does nothing |
| 07:19.40 | Shirik | (or prove otherwise) |
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| 07:22.50 | krka | Shirik: is the output string expected to be the same as the input? |
| 07:22.54 | Shirik | yes |
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| 07:23.06 | Shirik | obviously it creates a new string |
| 07:23.14 | Shirik | but does it create a new string with the same /contents/ is what I'm asking |
| 07:24.05 | krka | no |
| 07:24.08 | krka | not when i test it anyway |
| 07:24.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:24.19 | Shirik | do you happen to see why? |
| 07:24.21 | krka | due to bath math logic |
| 07:24.24 | Jamash | you break it into nybbles, pointlessly double complement it, xor the results together and then throw the result away and return a nybble |
| 07:24.25 | krka | *bad |
| 07:24.40 | Shirik | well obviously bad math |
| 07:24.43 | Shirik | but I'm trying to figure out where |
| 07:24.45 | zenzio | Shirik: what are you trying to do with this? |
| 07:24.50 | Shirik | I'm trying to create a pointless function |
| 07:24.59 | Jamash | line 16 writes to copy2, then line 19 overwrites it |
| 07:25.21 | Shirik | ah that's it |
| 07:25.30 | krka | 0xF0 ^ 0xF0 should be 0xFF |
| 07:25.35 | Shirik | line 19 should be copy2[i] = (byte)(copy2[i] ^ (byte0x0F) |
| 07:25.43 | Shirik | wrong variable used on 19 |
| 07:26.03 | krka | still wrong |
| 07:26.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:26.12 | krka | why aren't you testing this yourselves? |
| 07:26.16 | krka | have no java compiler? |
| 07:26.49 | Shirik | I didn't think it was complex enough to warrant a compilation |
| 07:26.51 | Shirik | apparently it is |
| 07:27.16 | nevcairiel | Shirik: my understanding of this is that it actually does something, it appears to invert the lower-half of the bytes, unless i messed up somewhere |
| 07:28.15 | Jamash | you invert copy 1 twice and copy 2 once |
| 07:29.38 | nevcairiel | copy1 ends up being the first-half intact, the second half all zeros, then you cut the first half off copy2 off, and OR the first half from copy1 in again, so that stays intact, but then it inverts the second half of copy2, and never changes it again |
| 07:29.42 | nevcairiel | or its too early for me |
| 07:29.43 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 07:30.16 | Shirik | I just did it by hand and I got copy2 == what was supplied at the beginning |
| 07:31.35 | Jamash | you should use 0xCC and 0x55 instead of 0xF0 and 0x0F |
| 07:31.50 | Shirik | why |
| 07:31.58 | Jamash | because it's slightly more confusing |
| 07:32.05 | Shirik | heh, ok |
| 07:32.19 | Jamash | C = 1010 and 5 = 0101 |
| 07:32.32 | Shirik | yeah I recognize those numbers |
| 07:32.38 | Shirik | I based a protocol I wrote off it |
| 07:33.03 | Shirik | It's very useful to start with, say, 8 bytes of 0x55 followed by one of 0x56 |
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| 07:33.12 | Shirik | etc. |
| 07:34.48 | nevcairiel | if you get the same result, tell me where i did wrong |
| 07:34.48 | nevcairiel | http://pastey.net/111447 |
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| 07:38.36 | Shirik | I think I see the problem |
| 07:40.11 | Shirik | two problems |
| 07:48.59 | Shirik | ok thanks nevcairiel / krka / Jamash |
| 07:49.01 | Shirik | I got a good solution |
| 07:49.18 | nevcairiel | why do you need something like this? |
| 07:49.22 | krka | but you lack a good problem |
| 07:49.35 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZ9RNeG3QM <- Nice. :) |
| 07:49.41 | nevcairiel | seems like a real waste of cpu :) |
| 07:50.06 | Shirik | It's actually intended to make a waste of brainpower |
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| 07:56.40 | Jamash | what you should do is set up the eight bits in a byte at the corners of a tessaract, then rotate it 360 degrees about two independant axes simultaneously |
| 07:57.09 | Jamash | the code for this is left as an exercise for the reader |
| 07:57.20 | Jamash | wait, that's 16 bits |
| 07:57.23 | Jamash | I can't count |
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| 08:04.12 | DWSR | anyone know a link to an eepanels layout? |
| 08:04.39 | DWSR | err. |
| 08:04.40 | DWSR | kgpanels |
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| 09:00.20 | Fisker- | kicks everyone in the face |
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| 09:37.14 | Jamash | that's weird, I'm setting style="GameFontNormalSmallLeft" but the text isn't any smaller than "GameFontNormalLeft" |
| 09:40.38 | Jamash | ah, I get it, I'm overriding my xml font in lua |
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| 10:07.32 | Jamash | argh, why would button:GetNormalFontObject() return nil but button:GetHighlightFontObject() give a valid result |
| 10:08.11 | nevcairiel | because the normal font isnt set? |
| 10:08.19 | Jamash | but it *is* set |
| 10:10.16 | Shirik | obviously it's not |
| 10:11.30 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REr3WYVc2Z4&feature=channel <-- Didn't this song get released under a different title last summer? |
| 10:11.38 | DWSR | Just Dance, I think it was? |
| 10:11.49 | Riffage | "This video is not available in your country. " |
| 10:11.50 | Riffage | :( |
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| 10:11.56 | Jamash | so, the question is how can a font be both set and not set at the same time |
| 10:12.11 | DWSR | Riffage: Fail? |
| 10:12.15 | DWSR | you in the US? |
| 10:12.18 | Riffage | UK |
| 10:12.28 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, isn't that a zen koan? |
| 10:12.35 | DWSR | Riffage: Dunno. |
| 10:12.40 | DWSR | Basically it's Akon + some new bimbo. |
| 10:12.40 | Riffage | youtube and the record labels had a falling out few weeks back |
| 10:12.46 | Riffage | pulled basically every music video |
| 10:12.49 | Shirik | damn |
| 10:12.51 | DWSR | And she sounds the same as the old bimbo from last summer. |
| 10:12.51 | Shirik | she is ugly as hell |
| 10:12.53 | Riffage | for UK people |
| 10:12.56 | Riffage | ahh lol |
| 10:12.56 | DWSR | yeah, that too |
| 10:13.02 | DWSR | well, butterface anyway |
| 10:13.06 | DWSR | But she's pretty much a stick. |
| 10:13.14 | Shirik | "butterface"? |
| 10:13.35 | DWSR | say it slowly. |
| 10:13.49 | Fisker- | hey DWSR |
| 10:13.52 | DWSR | hey Fisker |
| 10:14.00 | DWSR | Shirik: but her face. |
| 10:14.01 | Fisker- | http://www.spotify.com/en/ <-listen to this awesome music |
| 10:14.02 | Shirik | Anyway, her hair is incredibly ugly, she wears makeup that doesn't match the rest of her body, and too much of it at that |
| 10:14.49 | Shirik | and whomever came up with the idea that "purple + black + gold + skin" is a valid combination of clothes should be shot |
| 10:14.56 | nevcairiel | "Free - Not available in your country yet" .. wonder if its anywhere :P |
| 10:15.05 | Shirik | And seriously, who wears that many bracelets |
| 10:15.16 | Shirik | And is there anything left on her body to pierce? |
| 10:15.20 | Shirik | Ok I'll stop now |
| 10:15.28 | DWSR | Shirik: Why? |
| 10:15.29 | Fisker- | nevcairiel germans don't like ANYTHING |
| 10:15.30 | DWSR | Keep going. |
| 10:15.49 | Riffage | Spotify is really good, although the frequency of adverts has gone up recently |
| 10:16.05 | DWSR | http://wow.curse.com/media/p/430835.aspx <-- Comment plox |
| 10:16.07 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: we don't like anything linked by danish slobs :P |
| 10:17.02 | Shirik | text box in bottom right seems difficult to read |
| 10:17.10 | Shirik | too much contrast at the top left corner of the bottom right text box |
| 10:17.12 | DWSR | Shirik: You viewing the zoomed in image? |
| 10:17.21 | Shirik | yes |
| 10:17.30 | Fisker- | your mom nevcairiel |
| 10:17.39 | Riffage | oh god that fonts horrible |
| 10:17.40 | Fisker- | also i'm not the one who wants to ban WoW |
| 10:17.50 | Shirik | I also don't like the font |
| 10:17.59 | DWSR | Meh, font's fairly easy to change. |
| 10:18.01 | foxlit | Newsflash! Newsflash! Fisker- isn't thinking of the children :/ |
| 10:18.03 | DWSR | I should probably install some decent ones. |
| 10:18.07 | Jamash | that font should be drowned at midnight |
| 10:18.14 | Riffage | find it hard to read anything on the bar at the bottom |
| 10:18.26 | foxlit | what provides the damage numbers? |
| 10:18.35 | DWSR | foxlit: SCT. |
| 10:18.41 | foxlit | (on ability buttons) |
| 10:18.42 | Shirik | I think you should mute the background a bit |
| 10:18.46 | Shirik | there's too much contrast |
| 10:18.49 | DWSR | foxlit: Dr. Damage |
| 10:18.59 | foxlit | there's a working copy of that around somewhere? |
| 10:19.01 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah. unfortunately it's Sunnart. |
| 10:19.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 10:19.06 | DWSR | foxlit: I dunno...it's just...never stopped working? |
| 10:19.10 | Shirik | Sunnart? |
| 10:19.16 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah. viewport/art mod. |
| 10:19.20 | DWSR | It just doesn't provide that ability. |
| 10:19.21 | foxlit | I recall whining about it not working. Perhaps it wasn't working properly or something |
| 10:19.27 | Shirik | can't you change the art? |
| 10:19.30 | DWSR | foxlit: It's not 100% accurate. |
| 10:19.32 | DWSR | Shirik: You can. |
| 10:19.45 | DWSR | It doesn't let me just overlay a colour. I'd have to go and edit d'art. |
| 10:20.50 | DWSR | does the bit about having to restart WoW to find new files apply to fonts too? |
| 10:20.53 | DWSR | Gonna assume yes. |
| 10:21.01 | nevcairiel | any files |
| 10:21.05 | DWSR | mkay. |
| 10:21.08 | DWSR | Any suggestions on fonts? |
| 10:26.19 | Jamash | any other font |
| 10:34.25 | DWSR | Using Dustismo |
| 10:34.38 | DWSR | http://www.dafont.com/dustismo.font |
| 10:34.52 | DWSR | And just added a cursor effects mod. |
| 10:34.53 | DWSR | :D |
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| 10:46.17 | DWSR | There dummies in Dal? |
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| 10:52.35 | DWSR | http://wow.curse.com/media/p/430850.aspx |
| 10:52.39 | DWSR | ^ comment plox |
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| 10:54.30 | Jamash | font's a lot better |
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| 10:59.36 | nevcairiel | Is there a way to get a font-string to clip its text without giving it absolute anchors? like just by setting its width? |
| 11:00.00 | Legorol | unfortunately not, as far as i know |
| 11:00.19 | WobWork | http://www.illwillpress.com/ACH22.html |
| 11:00.24 | Legorol | if you don't give it an anchor that forces its right-hand side, it will stretch its width to fit the text |
| 11:00.25 | WobWork | <3 Foamy |
| 11:00.29 | nevcairiel | I have a font-string anchored to the center of a frame, because i like having the font always centered |
| 11:00.43 | Legorol | right |
| 11:00.43 | nevcairiel | using fixed anchors and achiving the center effect |
| 11:00.45 | nevcairiel | the pain! |
| 11:00.53 | Legorol | understandable :( |
| 11:01.14 | Shirik | night all |
| 11:01.20 | Legorol | as i'm sure you found out already, explicitly setting its width doesn't help |
| 11:01.40 | Legorol | what you can try is to turn wrapping on, and try forcing its height instead, you may be able to do something with that |
| 11:02.06 | Legorol | (in addition to setting an absolute width) |
| 11:02.21 | nevcairiel | Yeah, unfortunately its a Tab-type widget, and i'm using the blizzard tab functions, which do set a width |
| 11:02.30 | nevcairiel | but the width setting seems rather pointless |
| 11:02.45 | Legorol | yes, the width setting takes effect under the following circumstances: |
| 11:02.51 | Legorol | 1) wrapping is turned on |
| 11:03.10 | Legorol | 2) the object is not a fontstring and has no anchors from which its width could be calculated |
| 11:03.25 | Legorol | if i remember right, those were my conclusions when i was testing this |
| 11:04.34 | nevcairiel | I'm trying turning on wrapping and forcing a height with anchors |
| 11:07.54 | Legorol | nevcairiel: actually, if you know where to anchor the center, and you know the width you want to have, isn't adding a right anchor not trivial? |
| 11:10.02 | Legorol | eg: object:SetPoint("CENTER", parent, "<point>", cx, cy); object:SetPoint("RIGHT", parent, "<point>", cx+intendedWidth/2, cy); |
| 11:10.28 | Fisker- | scares people |
| 11:10.43 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure that will achieve the same affect |
| 11:11.16 | nevcairiel | Sounds like it would force it to the max width |
| 11:11.53 | Legorol | just set the text to be center adjusted |
| 11:12.13 | Legorol | then it doesn't matter how wide the widget is, if the actual text is shorter, it won't fill the allocated area |
| 11:12.40 | Legorol | wouldn't that work? |
| 11:16.05 | nevcairiel | I think it does |
| 11:16.06 | nevcairiel | lets see |
| 11:20.29 | nevcairiel | Hm it seems to work, even GetWidth() still returns usefull data |
| 11:20.30 | nevcairiel | nice |
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| 12:01.45 | Industrial | nomnom "kwark". |
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| 12:53.48 | laeg-offsite | where can i download wow and tbc other than wow-europe? it wants me to create a trial account |
| 12:55.43 | Adys | RAFs get rep bonuses? |
| 12:55.44 | Adys | FACTION_STANDING_INCREASED_BONUS = "Reputation with %s increased by %d. (+%.1f Refer-A-Friend bonus)"; |
| 12:56.26 | nevcairiel | If you have an account, you can download it from the accont management, if you don't have an account, there is no reason for you to download it that doesn't break the EULA/ToU, and thus won't be discussed here =P |
| 12:58.05 | laeg-offsite | i do have an account but the password is cryptic and stored on my desktop as a folder name :( |
| 12:58.13 | laeg-offsite | i'm not at home |
| 12:58.17 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 12:58.19 | Maldivia | hmm, so apparently the wolverine leak was bad luck |
| 13:00.42 | nevcairiel | laeg-offsite: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/downloads/client/index.html should be accessible without any login |
| 13:04.24 | laeg-offsite | nevcairel, thanks, the installers giving me a drop down asking which version i want to install |
| 13:04.35 | laeg-offsite | i don't suppose if i select wotlk it will download the two previous as well? |
| 13:04.42 | nevcairiel | It does |
| 13:04.45 | nevcairiel | its always a full installer |
| 13:04.54 | nevcairiel | If you download wotlk, you'll get all three |
| 13:05.17 | nevcairiel | I just used that two weeks ago or so |
| 13:05.22 | nevcairiel | was too lazy to get my discs :) |
| 13:05.52 | Legorol | laeg-offsite: if you don't have access to your password, i'm not sure what the advantage of downloading the full client is |
| 13:06.58 | laeg-offsite | laeg-offsite: i don't have access to it right now, but the download will take hours and i'll have been home and back here by then |
| 13:07.21 | Legorol | i guessed it's something like that, in which case you are better off just copying WoW from home when you do go home |
| 13:07.26 | Legorol | you can just copy the entire folder and it works fine |
| 13:07.35 | Legorol | probably faster than downloading/installing |
| 13:07.56 | Maldivia | Legorol: only works if you can connect the two computers :) |
| 13:08.08 | Legorol | Maldivia: or have an empty DVD-R :P |
| 13:08.17 | laeg-offsite | nevcairiel: sounds good, thanks. do you know what patches i will need from http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors just to be able to play tbc? |
| 13:08.19 | Maldivia | Legorol: you mean 4 empty DVD-Rs :9 |
| 13:08.19 | nevcairiel | doesn't exactly fit on one |
| 13:08.26 | Legorol | fair enough |
| 13:08.28 | nevcairiel | the installer fits on two |
| 13:08.34 | nevcairiel | the full game on like 3, maybe 4 |
| 13:08.49 | nevcairiel | laeg-offsite: you need everything, from 3.0.1 to 3.0.9 |
| 13:09.27 | nevcairiel | laeg-offsite: also, i would recommend http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ ; they are plenty fast usually |
| 13:09.58 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: they are fast because they use codeen :) |
| 13:10.06 | nevcairiel | I know |
| 13:10.17 | selckin | what's codeen |
| 13:10.23 | nevcairiel | But that usually only hits for "new" patches, but they still offer all the old ones too |
| 13:10.25 | nevcairiel | which is nice |
| 13:10.31 | DWSR | Content Distribution Network selckin |
| 13:10.35 | nevcairiel | (i doubt codeen still caches those) |
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| 13:10.55 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Can't you use codeen to multi-part the DL though? |
| 13:11.06 | nevcairiel | probably, but they don't |
| 13:11.31 | DWSR | selckin: http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/ |
| 13:11.32 | nevcairiel | I usually got enough speed of that anyway |
| 13:12.21 | laeg-offsite | nevcairiel: ty |
| 13:12.44 | selckin | they use planetnet to distribute wow patches? |
| 13:13.18 | DWSR | No. |
| 13:13.27 | DWSR | You can just use your browser to do it. |
| 13:13.56 | DWSR | http://codeen.cs.princeton.edu/coblitz/ <-- Like this |
| 13:14.10 | nevcairiel | just append .nyud.net:8090 to any url, and it'll try to cache it through it |
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| 13:15.47 | nevcairiel | its only really effective for single files, not for complete pages |
| 13:16.24 | DWSR | indeed |
| 13:16.54 | selckin | its pritty slow |
| 13:17.07 | nevcairiel | not if the file is already cached properly |
| 13:17.22 | selckin | coral's own site was :) |
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| 13:29.42 | Kraps | blizz got eliminated :( http://www.escapistmagazine.com/tournament/great8 |
| 13:31.14 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't look like they were ever in the running. |
| 13:32.17 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43681 /cry |
| 13:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | Keep fishing, it does exist. |
| 13:33.54 | Kraps | no i'm commenting on the coin itself |
| 13:35.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, the engraving is kinda sad. |
| 13:36.42 | Dezzimal | Its true in a twisted way |
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| 13:38.13 | Kraps | and arthas only wanted a frozen scone... |
| 13:38.40 | Lopeppeppy | A popsicle. |
| 13:39.25 | Kraps | conclusion: the well is evil |
| 13:39.27 | Kraps | :p |
| 13:39.40 | Lopeppeppy | Very |
| 13:41.20 | Kraps | rofl http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43687 |
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| 13:43.17 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 13:43.27 | Kraps | blizz should update the story on the website, i read it for the first time, really cool |
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| 13:47.57 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43635 wut |
| 13:50.24 | Lopeppeppy | Awwwww. Someone's lonely. |
| 13:51.10 | alestane | Even soulless minions of damnation want a hug every now and then. |
| 13:51.21 | Kraps | true |
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| 13:53.18 | Kraps | repeatedly killing someones cat will make them really need hugs |
| 13:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | Um, yes, yes it will |
| 13:59.19 | kneeki | lol wtf |
| 13:59.36 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43636 |
| 13:59.48 | kneeki | I just installed Carboninte to try it out, and the 'punks' window amused me greatly |
| 14:00.20 | Lopeppeppy | Punks? |
| 14:01.37 | krka | you know, it's getting annoying with all the extra text in the forums now |
| 14:01.52 | krka | though the literal style has been improved by several thousand percent |
| 14:01.58 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:02.03 | krka | and the number of coherent sentences |
| 14:02.08 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, when you mouse over an opposing faction |
| 14:02.09 | malreth | oh... good morning everyone |
| 14:02.11 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure they'll be turning it off when they wake up, krka |
| 14:02.16 | malreth | now that it is 4/2 here |
| 14:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi, malreth |
| 14:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | You can go back to normal now. |
| 14:02.33 | malreth | i will once again be full of spite, anger, cynicism, and blatant lies |
| 14:02.37 | krka | didn't they do something similar last year btw? |
| 14:02.42 | krka | but i can't remember exactly what it was |
| 14:02.47 | krka | was it lol-ifying it? |
| 14:02.55 | malreth | lat year was, yeah... lol speek |
| 14:03.09 | krka | that was harder to notice |
| 14:03.23 | Lopeppeppy | This year is high-flown gothic romantic WoW literary style. I like it. |
| 14:04.22 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: i passed your parental advice and well-wishes along to the Mistress yesterday |
| 14:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | How is she doing, now that she's awake and human again? And the kidlet? |
| 14:05.28 | malreth | she's doing as well as can be |
| 14:05.44 | krka | oh, someone got a kid? congrats! |
| 14:05.59 | Lopeppeppy | The wrinkled prince? He doing well? |
| 14:06.01 | malreth | in pain, but she's healthy and fine |
| 14:06.01 | malreth | the kiddo is damn near perfect |
| 14:06.16 | malreth | most babies look ugly... this one looks like... a human |
| 14:06.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, excellent to hear. And the pain part, well, she'll be better in a few weeks, that's just sorta normal. |
| 14:06.42 | malreth | the male genetic donor was there, too. the advice i gave him was "get a job" |
| 14:07.05 | malreth | there was an uncomfortable air of subtext in the room the entire time |
| 14:07.14 | Lopeppeppy | There is always a chance that the sperm donor will get a wakeup call and become at least as human as the baby. |
| 14:07.22 | malreth | i chose to be less subtle about it |
| 14:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | The subtext reading, "I want to punch your face" ? |
| 14:07.54 | alestane | "Or at least show us that you're trying"...might be fairer in today's rather uncertain economy. |
| 14:08.07 | malreth | alestane: bingo |
| 14:08.52 | malreth | i told him that we was being congratulated today for "essentially a minute's worth of work" |
| 14:09.01 | malreth | -_- |
| 14:09.07 | krka | it's funny how all other babies are ugly except your own |
| 14:09.08 | krka | :P |
| 14:09.45 | malreth | but that he'll be remembered for every year of effort or lack thereof from now on |
| 14:10.08 | alestane | Oh, ouch. |
| 14:10.08 | krka | how are you related to the mother? i think i missed something |
| 14:10.32 | alestane | Fair, but ouch. |
| 14:10.38 | malreth | krka: she's my mistress... ok... honestly she's really just one of my longest time bestest friends |
| 14:11.02 | zenzelezz | <krka> it's funny how all other babies are ugly except your own <--- I think it's more the case that all babies are ugly, but our brains are wired to ignore this for our own children to ensure the survival of the species |
| 14:11.14 | malreth | we've been through a lot together, though |
| 14:11.45 | krka | zenzelezz: perhaps |
| 14:11.50 | Lopeppeppy | Chosen family is family, in my eyes. And I'd kick him if I saw him, so there. |
| 14:12.03 | alestane | I call them "kith". |
| 14:12.30 | alestane | Not blood, but family. |
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| 14:12.59 | malreth | what do you call it if you have sex with them as well? |
| 14:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | Lover. |
| 14:13.32 | alestane | Depends on the shape of the relationship overall. Lovers straddle the line. |
| 14:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | And still chosen family. |
| 14:13.41 | krka | that's not all they straddle |
| 14:13.47 | Lopeppeppy | krka! *poke* |
| 14:13.53 | alestane | I *knew* someone was going to make such a comment. |
| 14:14.00 | krka | come on, should i ignore that perfect setup? :/ |
| 14:14.09 | krka | i was nerd-sniped! |
| 14:14.18 | malreth | puts a gold star on krka's forehead |
| 14:14.42 | zenzelezz | on the other hand, why wait for the perfect setup? With some effort, everything can be made to sound dirty |
| 14:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, there's not enough love or caring in the world. Good for you, for having some! *hug* |
| 14:20.56 | alestane | malreth: Someone who has a place in your bed as well as your heart is that much more firmly kith, in my mind. I consider my wife kin instead, because we were formally and ritually bound into being kin, i.e. married. |
| 14:23.04 | malreth | me... I'm married to the sea. A sailor's life for me. |
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| 14:23.11 | malreth | hears a wave crashing |
| 14:23.15 | malreth | yes dear, coming! |
| 14:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 14:24.10 | malreth | yarrrr |
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| 14:43.02 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, ready for the forums to be non-java again. |
| 14:43.40 | alestane | It's still quarter to 8 there. |
| 14:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | Is it Javascript people need to turn off to make them legible? |
| 14:45.17 | alestane | It didn't show up until work hours there, so I presume someone needed to turn it on...which implies it might need someone to turn it off. |
| 14:45.34 | Lopeppeppy | Is it Javascript though? I forget, and I want to be able to read. |
| 14:45.53 | alestane | I think that it is. Someone said it didn't affect them if they had Noscript. |
| 14:46.26 | nevcairiel | If you turn off javascript, its back to normal |
| 14:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, done. |
| 14:47.00 | Lopeppeppy | It's just impossible to help anyone if I can't read what their problem is. |
| 14:48.36 | nevcairiel | They can't read your answer either, so its all good |
| 14:49.05 | Lopeppeppy | I did tell them to turn off Javascript themselves, but I doubt they will. |
| 14:49.20 | WobWork | server crash =( |
| 14:49.37 | WobWork | Or you can just block that javascript script |
| 14:49.52 | WobWork | if you have adblock of somesort |
| 14:50.13 | WobWork | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/new-hp/js/forum.js |
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| 14:54.23 | Lopeppeppy | NSFW: Bacon? http://failblog.org/2009/04/01/product-fail/ |
| 14:55.32 | WobWork | tjat |
| 14:55.34 | WobWork | that's... |
| 14:55.37 | WobWork | ... |
| 14:55.50 | nevcairiel | thats bacon! |
| 14:56.11 | alestane | No. Just...no. |
| 14:59.31 | Lopeppeppy | That's fail blog fo ryou. |
| 15:00.02 | AckisWork | got kicked from another guild last night hehhe |
| 15:00.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, what did you do. |
| 15:01.18 | AckisWork | alt-F4ed when they were blaming the healers for a wipe when it was the officers fault |
| 15:01.20 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:01.35 | nevcairiel | you're such a pussy |
| 15:01.45 | nevcairiel | just leaving is not cool, just blame back |
| 15:01.45 | AckisWork | meh just don't care |
| 15:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone who starts blaming isn't a group I want to work with anyway. |
| 15:02.31 | AckisWork | they pulled on patchwerk without telling us who was tanking/getting healing setup |
| 15:02.34 | |Jelly| | Blame has to be established in one way or another or problems wont be solved imo. |
| 15:02.49 | |Jelly| | 2 tank 25 man setup? |
| 15:03.00 | AckisWork | 3 tank 25-man setup |
| 15:03.27 | Lopeppeppy | That's an officer fail, yup. They earned that wipe. :) |
| 15:03.30 | AckisWork | i even asked in healer chat what healing was only to realize that most people left it /shrug |
| 15:03.48 | AckisWork | 1 more point in my whole 'i don't care about wow" list |
| 15:04.16 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3agYeT-T9co |
| 15:07.01 | AckisWork | i think the main reason that I'm not having fun with wow is that I have to wait 6 months before I see real new raiding content (maly and OS and vault don't really count as a raid instance IMO) |
| 15:07.15 | Adys | whats the difference with bc? |
| 15:07.20 | Adys | whats the difference with vanilla? |
| 15:07.47 | mikma | whats difference? |
| 15:07.55 | Elkano | whats? |
| 15:08.07 | mikma | elkano: lil'jon ^^ |
| 15:08.17 | Adys | waiting 6 months |
| 15:08.58 | AckisWork | with BC you had new raiding content when the expansion was released, with wrath you have recycled level 60 content |
| 15:09.04 | Adys | come on |
| 15:09.07 | Adys | you had gruul and mag. |
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| 15:09.11 | Adys | barely |
| 15:09.16 | AckisWork | kara |
| 15:09.21 | nevcairiel | New content in 2 weeks, stop crying! |
| 15:09.30 | Adys | ... you gonna tell me karazhan was more content than 10man nax? |
| 15:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 15:09.45 | AckisWork | Adys: yes it was |
| 15:09.48 | AckisWork | it was NEW |
| 15:09.50 | mikma | recycled content <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 15:09.53 | Adys | so was naxx |
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| 15:09.56 | Adys | sorry, but no one saw naxx |
| 15:09.57 | AckisWork | no |
| 15:09.58 | mikma | wtb heroic dead mines |
| 15:10.03 | AckisWork | I idd naxx at 60 |
| 15:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yeah. |
| 15:10.09 | Adys | so did I |
| 15:10.21 | Adys | but if you were doing nax entirely at 60 |
| 15:10.22 | AckisWork | and you were happy to see it at 80? come on |
| 15:10.29 | Adys | odds are you didnt give a shit about kara |
| 15:10.37 | Adys | and yeah I was really happy to see it again at 80 |
| 15:10.40 | Adys | I LOVED naxx |
| 15:10.57 | Adys | I was doing pugs pre bc and during bc to naxx to get people to see the instance |
| 15:11.02 | Adys | because it was amazing |
| 15:11.22 | Adys | its not recycled content, its GREAT content that the wow community will actually get to see |
| 15:11.40 | Adys | if blizz started to make all the zones in game actual great zones where its worth going to, you'd complain saying its recycled? |
| 15:11.44 | AckisWork | thing is I spent hours in it at 60, and then it's the main raid at 80? le sigh, it's recycled content, not new shit... I saw it already |
| 15:11.51 | Adys | dont raid then |
| 15:11.58 | Adys | am not raiding Im fine and having fun |
| 15:12.07 | AckisWork | i don't do much in the game now |
| 15:12.16 | |Jelly| | I like Kara. Still do it just about every week. |
| 15:12.18 | Adys | Im really happy about everyone who gets to see naxx today |
| 15:12.21 | AckisWork | I've had free wow since january at least and I still feel like i'm paying too much for it |
| 15:12.35 | Adys | and I couldnt give a shit more about myself being bored because ive already seen naxx before hundreds of times |
| 15:12.44 | Adys | if it means most of the wow community gets to see it for the first time |
| 15:12.48 | Adys | because its a masterpiece |
| 15:12.55 | AckisWork | I was saddened the first time i set foot in naxx 80 |
| 15:13.10 | Adys | no one forced you to |
| 15:13.13 | AckisWork | the content was so... trivialized compared to that at 60 |
| 15:13.18 | Adys | yeah so? |
| 15:13.30 | AckisWork | blizzard forced me by recycling old content :P |
| 15:13.34 | Adys | they |
| 15:13.35 | Adys | didnt |
| 15:13.36 | Adys | recycle |
| 15:13.50 | Adys | no one saw naxx, cant make it any clearer |
| 15:14.05 | AckisWork | no one saw naxx? you saw naxx, I saw naxx.... we're no one? |
| 15:14.10 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:14.18 | |Jelly| | Unless of course it was a 3.0 zerg run. |
| 15:14.20 | Adys | we're a tiny dot in the minority |
| 15:14.24 | Legorol | actually from what i heard, they managed to keep the mechanics pretty much identical |
| 15:14.31 | Legorol | they just tuned it differently |
| 15:14.34 | Legorol | i think that's an awesome thing |
| 15:14.35 | Adys | Legorol: yep |
| 15:15.05 | Legorol | AckisWork: Naxx is by no means trivial to people with lesser skills, once-a-week raiding schedules, etc. |
| 15:15.07 | AckisWork | Legorol: some of the fundamentals are the same, the difficulty is a lot lower however and there were a lot of tweaks which make the fights easier IMO |
| 15:15.15 | Adys | yeah thats the whole point |
| 15:15.20 | Adys | naxx was endgame |
| 15:15.22 | Adys | pure endgame |
| 15:15.22 | Legorol | I nkow plenty of casual guilds (where casual means both time spent raiding and skill level) who have a tough time on certain bosses |
| 15:15.29 | Adys | nax80 is NOT endgame |
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| 15:15.35 | Adys | its the opener |
| 15:15.37 | Legorol | exactly |
| 15:15.39 | Legorol | and that's fine :) |
| 15:15.49 | Legorol | i think it's a great idea to do it that way, because it's an awesome instance |
| 15:15.52 | Adys | I do think it was undertuned |
| 15:15.54 | Adys | but thats irrelevant |
| 15:16.02 | Adys | it wasnt supposed to be as hard |
| 15:16.18 | Legorol | 15 bosses, a lot of them with interesting mechanics (certainly more interesting than most Kara bosses) |
| 15:16.47 | Adys | and yeah defeating thaddius with 10-25 after barely 2 hours of wiping for the first time if you're bad is NOT the same as defeating thaddius with 40 after 1 month of wiping |
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| 15:17.04 | Adys | but I dont have my say in that and thats fine |
| 15:17.29 | Adys | Ill be seriously raiding again when 40 mans are back |
| 15:17.34 | AckisWork | wtb the vael's and the rag 1.0's and the m'uru's |
| 15:17.56 | Adys | youll have algalon |
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| 15:18.09 | AckisWork | ulduar? |
| 15:18.12 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:18.14 | Adys | so? |
| 15:18.19 | AckisWork | haven't even looked at 3.1 |
| 15:18.30 | Adys | muru = sunwell = 2.4 |
| 15:18.34 | Adys | vael = bwl = 1.6 |
| 15:18.41 | Adys | algalon = ulduar = 3.1 |
| 15:18.45 | Legorol | I think the main problem here is that WoW is played by so many different people on so many different levels of skill and/or commitment |
| 15:19.01 | Legorol | And Blizzard (correctly) needs to cater for the majority of the player base. That's where the money is. |
| 15:19.05 | Legorol | It's a business. |
| 15:19.19 | Adys | I think its fine |
| 15:19.21 | Legorol | This sucks for the elite players who want a challenge, but losing those loses less people, hence less money :) |
| 15:19.33 | Adys | the game has gone downhill on some sides, its gone uphill on some others |
| 15:19.47 | Adys | its fine really, its different |
| 15:19.47 | Legorol | i think a lot of those are very subjective |
| 15:19.54 | Legorol | yes, it's a different game now |
| 15:20.03 | Legorol | and overall it evolved in a good direction |
| 15:20.07 | Adys | what I think is sad is the content waste |
| 15:20.10 | AckisWork | it's... boring to me =/ |
| 15:20.20 | Adys | and I hope to god whatever they do in their next mmo they wont waste content |
| 15:20.31 | Legorol | AckisWork: then put your money where your mouth is, and cancel |
| 15:20.35 | Legorol | and go play something else |
| 15:20.50 | Legorol | Adys: which content do you mean? |
| 15:20.51 | AckisWork | Legorol: I already stated i've had my last 4 months for free :P |
| 15:20.58 | Adys | Legorol: entirety of vanilla |
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| 15:21.07 | Adys | not gonna say BC because BC sucked anyway |
| 15:21.09 | Legorol | I don't think it's wasted |
| 15:21.19 | Legorol | Just look at it as a game that came out 4 years ago, and had its run. |
| 15:21.21 | Adys | really |
| 15:21.26 | Legorol | Would you still be playing a video game you bought 4 years ago? |
| 15:21.29 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:21.40 | Adys | if its a good game yeah, no reason not to |
| 15:21.41 | Legorol | Most single-player games don't last for 4 years |
| 15:21.46 | Adys | diablo :P |
| 15:21.50 | AckisWork | civ |
| 15:21.53 | AckisWork | :P |
| 15:21.56 | Legorol | I said most ;) |
| 15:21.57 | Adys | space invaders |
| 15:22.00 | AckisWork | half life, CS |
| 15:22.01 | AckisWork | pacman |
| 15:22.02 | Legorol | I know there are exceptions |
| 15:22.04 | AckisWork | tetris |
| 15:22.05 | Adys | PONG |
| 15:22.06 | Elkano | pong ^^ |
| 15:22.12 | Legorol | at any rate, classic wow is a thing of the past, hence the expansions :) |
| 15:22.18 | Adys | but thats the thing |
| 15:22.19 | Adys | its not |
| 15:22.26 | Adys | look at all the content in vanilla |
| 15:22.42 | Legorol | just because you can still access it (like buying an old game), doesn't mean it's not time to move on |
| 15:22.43 | AckisWork | Adys: they recycled the content by adding in achievements :P |
| 15:22.45 | Adys | two continents, aq20, aq40, zg, bwl, mc, etc |
| 15:22.49 | Adys | AckisWork: they didnt |
| 15:22.56 | Legorol | i agree with AckisWork on that one |
| 15:23.03 | Legorol | there is a lot of pugs on my realm going to those places |
| 15:23.07 | Legorol | sure, they are zerg-fests |
| 15:23.07 | Adys | you misunderstand |
| 15:23.16 | Adys | even the two continents |
| 15:23.28 | Adys | sure i can go there but what for? |
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| 15:23.34 | Legorol | exactly, what for? |
| 15:23.41 | Legorol | You are playing Wrath now, not vanilla. |
| 15:23.45 | Adys | so? |
| 15:23.49 | AckisWork | achievements and legendaries! |
| 15:23.50 | Legorol | Vanilla is gone. Dead. Had its run. |
| 15:23.53 | Torhal | Uldum, the other BG in Azshara, the Azshara entrance to Timbermaw hold, etc, etc, etc will probably never be added. |
| 15:23.57 | Elkano | if they had tuned these for 70 or 80 now I pretty sure there'd still be regular groups going there... |
| 15:23.57 | Legorol | If you don't find it enjoyable anymore, don't play it :) |
| 15:24.07 | Adys | Legorol: didnt mean that |
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| 15:24.21 | Legorol | Then I'm not sure what you mean |
| 15:24.33 | Legorol | Vanilla content had its share of use, Blizz got money out of it, now it's outdated |
| 15:24.36 | Adys | vanilla has beautiful places |
| 15:24.37 | Legorol | That's not necessarily a waste |
| 15:24.49 | Legorol | A waste was something like old Naxx which *didn't* get its share of use |
| 15:24.58 | AckisWork | there's still a lot to be done in vanilla =/ |
| 15:25.01 | Adys | you gonna tell me silithus did |
| 15:25.01 | Adys | :P |
| 15:25.09 | Legorol | sure Silithus did |
| 15:25.15 | Legorol | thre was a lot of activity there at 60 |
| 15:25.21 | Adys | not in silithus |
| 15:25.25 | Adys | in cenarion hold and in AQ |
| 15:25.28 | Adys | nowhere else |
| 15:26.01 | Elkano | well, they use dailys nowadays to keep zones at least a bit alive |
| 15:26.03 | Adys | compare northrend to vanilla continents |
| 15:26.04 | Legorol | it probably varies from realm to realm, on my realm people farmed elementals, especially when the elemental invasion was up, |
| 15:26.06 | Legorol | and collected dust |
| 15:26.18 | Legorol | they also regularly did the summoning stone thingies (all three levels of it) |
| 15:26.36 | Legorol | you could hardly get to those cultists without someone or group trying to do a windstone |
| 15:26.39 | Adys | in vanilla you had many places to go to |
| 15:26.55 | AckisWork | Adys: now you have WG |
| 15:27.10 | Adys | i think wg is a bad implementation of a great idea |
| 15:27.11 | Adys | but yeah |
| 15:27.24 | AckisWork | WG is one of the few things I somewhat enjoy |
| 15:27.51 | Adys | wg aside, now in the actual world you got no one outside dalaran |
| 15:27.54 | Legorol | Adys: I understand and completely agree with you on the amount of content available to end-level players |
| 15:28.02 | Adys | 3.1 will prolly get its share of people in icecrown |
| 15:28.04 | Legorol | It's less in an expansion than it was in vanilla |
| 15:28.09 | Legorol | that's probably unavoidable |
| 15:28.16 | Legorol | I still don't agree that vanilla is "wasted" |
| 15:28.21 | Adys | Legorol: yeah, point is adding content without ruining previous content |
| 15:28.22 | Legorol | As long as it had its milage, it's not wasted |
| 15:28.23 | Adys | look at ulduar |
| 15:28.29 | Adys | people are still gonna go naxx after ulduar |
| 15:28.48 | Adys | not only because its "fun", but because they want to gear up etc they go REASONS to go there |
| 15:28.50 | Legorol | as soon as you raise level cap, you automatically make existing content obsolete. end of, really |
| 15:28.58 | Adys | Legorol: yeah, thats the problem |
| 15:29.08 | Legorol | every time the cap is raised, it means that the old content is no longer needed |
| 15:29.12 | Legorol | that's fine though imo |
| 15:29.22 | Adys | for me its fine |
| 15:29.22 | Legorol | each time a new game |
| 15:29.24 | Adys | ive seen everything |
| 15:29.37 | Adys | it breaks my heart, both for the designers who actually did some amazing shit back then |
| 15:29.54 | Adys | and to all the players who never saw the epicness of something before its time was gone |
| 15:29.57 | Legorol | what Blizzard is doing is: "right folks, there was enough playing with this game, now it's closed. Moving on to the next one." |
| 15:30.15 | Legorol | That's a fair business model, if that's how they want to do it. |
| 15:30.29 | Legorol | that's what happens each time an expansion comes out |
| 15:30.32 | Adys | and it also disgusts me to see groups 3-4 manning AQ reading up how to and finish it by saying "wow that sucked but at least I got the achievement Im not going back there" |
| 15:30.50 | Adys | its disrespect |
| 15:30.57 | Legorol | Adys: I think you are basically hanging on to something that doesn't exist anymore, for nostalgic reasons. |
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| 15:31.04 | Adys | Legorol: Im not |
| 15:31.09 | Legorol | Vanilla is gone. Forever. |
| 15:31.11 | Adys | Id NEVER go back to vanilla |
| 15:31.15 | Adys | even if I had the occasion |
| 15:31.29 | Adys | what I dont like is that the content in there goes to waste |
| 15:31.40 | Adys | and its not like a game that gets an expansion you can still play old content |
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| 15:31.45 | Legorol | How is something going to waste that *had* its use? |
| 15:31.48 | Adys | assassins and druids didnt make other classes outdated in LoD |
| 15:32.00 | Legorol | Let's say you buy a car, and when it's 15 years old, you finally park it in your garage, never to use it again. |
| 15:32.04 | Legorol | Did that car go to waste? |
| 15:32.04 | Adys | Legorol: if you didnt see it back then, youll never see it again |
| 15:32.07 | Legorol | You had 15 years of use out of it |
| 15:32.10 | Adys | Legorol: Im talking about others, not you |
| 15:32.25 | Adys | Im talking about the ones who DIDNT see vanilla |
| 15:32.29 | Legorol | Sure, there are loads of people who didn't see certain things. |
| 15:32.36 | Legorol | That's called "can't have everythign", and life moves on. |
| 15:32.46 | Legorol | There are people who didn't see AQ opening event, or TBC launch event. |
| 15:32.53 | Adys | events were one thing |
| 15:33.04 | Adys | you cant just say that "yeah its gone outdated it doesnt matter" |
| 15:33.12 | Legorol | Those who didn't see vanilla can (if they chose to) see Wrath now |
| 15:33.16 | Adys | northrend is GREAT, amazing everything you want |
| 15:33.27 | Adys | but its 1/10th of what vanilla was |
| 15:33.30 | Adys | I agree, its inevitable |
| 15:33.39 | Legorol | I agree it's not as big in scale. |
| 15:33.43 | Adys | but you're replacing a massive game by a less-massive game |
| 15:33.46 | Adys | instead of adding to it |
| 15:33.49 | Legorol | it will ramp up with the coming expansions hopefully |
| 15:33.58 | Adys | no |
| 15:33.58 | Legorol | I completely agree with that assessment, Adys. |
| 15:34.12 | Adys | it will only go the other way if they keep releasing expansions that replace content |
| 15:34.13 | Legorol | It's replacement, instead of adding on. Certainly. |
| 15:34.20 | Adys | the more expansions you get, the more dead content there is |
| 15:34.38 | Legorol | Unless each expansion brings a decent amount of new content, with subsequent patches doing the same. |
| 15:34.39 | Adys | and dead content isnt fun, they're doing the right fix sorta when they let players rush through vanilla etc |
| 15:34.47 | Adys | XP nerfs = good, DK starting at 55 = good |
| 15:34.54 | Adys | but vanilla not sucking = better |
| 15:35.06 | Legorol | i agree that expansions replace existing content |
| 15:35.09 | Legorol | I disagree that that's a problem |
| 15:35.16 | Adys | its not a problem for me |
| 15:35.21 | Adys | its not directly a problem for the players |
| 15:35.23 | Legorol | as I said, it's like a car. When you replace your car, you don't care about the old one not getting use anymore. |
| 15:35.38 | Adys | its a problem for the designers/developers IMO and a sad thing in general |
| 15:35.56 | Legorol | Unfortunately it's a direct consequence of WoW's two-dimensional character evolution model. |
| 15:36.09 | Adys | and it IS in a way a problem for the players |
| 15:36.18 | Adys | when you get people complaining they dont get content until 6 months |
| 15:36.37 | Adys | take for example someone who has done vanilla entirely, then quit before BC and came back for WLK, classic example |
| 15:36.38 | Torhal | What would be nice is if they released an expansion that filled in the areas that were never added/fleshed out, designed ror alts. |
| 15:36.47 | Torhal | s/ror/for/ |
| 15:36.54 | Adys | this person will level to 80 in a month or so max |
| 15:36.58 | Legorol | Torhal: people will always run content at the highest level they can. |
| 15:37.00 | Adys | theyll skip BC |
| 15:37.08 | Adys | (not a big loss but nevermind that) |
| 15:37.10 | Legorol | I don't think it's economical for Blizz to add significant amount of non-80 content |
| 15:37.32 | Adys | and basically |
| 15:37.48 | Torhal | I thought they were headed that way when they added Mudsprocket, but apparently not. |
| 15:37.49 | Adys | this player will get to 80, theyll have seen naxx before, theyll do OS and Malygos in no time |
| 15:37.52 | Legorol | Adys: I understand what you are saying when you compare current amount of 80 content to 60 content in vanilla |
| 15:37.58 | Legorol | there was lot more in vanilla |
| 15:38.11 | Adys | and once 80 and with some gear, which will take them one month top again |
| 15:38.13 | Legorol | Imo the problem is the method of replacement, rather than that there is a replacement as such |
| 15:38.15 | Adys | theyll wait |
| 15:38.27 | Adys | they COULD be doing some "heroic sunwell" whatever |
| 15:38.28 | Legorol | I don't think there's an easy solution though |
| 15:38.31 | Adys | which they havent seen |
| 15:38.36 | Adys | which WOULD be new content |
| 15:38.36 | Legorol | 60 content had years to be developed |
| 15:38.40 | Legorol | 80 content had much less |
| 15:38.48 | Adys | its outside the point |
| 15:39.11 | Adys | I wasnt even talking about wow, i was talking about the errors they should avoid in their next mmo |
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| 15:39.18 | Legorol | right |
| 15:39.27 | Legorol | btw, let's look at the "heroic sunwell" idea for a moment |
| 15:39.33 | Adys | lets not |
| 15:39.36 | Legorol | ok :) |
| 15:39.38 | Torhal | Heroic RFC. |
| 15:39.54 | Adys | think everything that could be said on heroic versions of non-capped content has been said |
| 15:39.56 | Legorol | people would QQ if you recycled old content (like they did with Naxx), even though it'd be a great idea |
| 15:40.04 | Adys | yeah I know |
| 15:40.10 | Adys | hello AckisWork btw |
| 15:40.14 | AckisWork | :P |
| 15:40.20 | AckisWork | heroic -> making harder |
| 15:40.37 | AckisWork | using hte same shit and nerfing it and saying "zomg here you go" isn't the same |
| 15:40.37 | Legorol | AckisWork: in this case, it probably means retuning for 80 |
| 15:40.50 | Legorol | i think they could try and retune vanilla content for L80s, it wouldn't even have to be done very well |
| 15:41.01 | Legorol | that would add a lot of content in an economical way |
| 15:41.14 | Legorol | you'd get the elite raiders QQ-ing, but that's irrelevant :o) |
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| 15:41.45 | Adys | I wonder if anyone remembers the original design for heroics hehe |
| 15:42.01 | Adys | well actually BC instances |
| 15:42.06 | Adys | would scale with your level |
| 15:42.17 | Adys | you enter the instance, it calculates a group level |
| 15:42.39 | Adys | in a group full of lvl 72, mobs would be lvl 72 |
| 15:42.46 | Adys | come back at 80, its scaled up |
| 15:42.53 | Adys | they abandoned it.. |
| 15:43.06 | Adys | also I mean 62 and 70 |
| 15:43.36 | Legorol | itemising that would be a nightmare |
| 15:43.54 | Legorol | although now that they got heirlooms, they coudl do it |
| 15:44.17 | |Jelly| | cog|away: *hug* I knew you were lurking! |
| 15:44.17 | WobWork | I wish they'd fix the heirloom bow =( |
| 15:44.33 | AckisWork | lua> for i=1,10,1 print("Penis") end |
| 15:44.34 | lua_bot | AckisWork: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'print' |
| 15:44.42 | AckisWork | I fail at penis spam :( |
| 15:45.18 | cog|work | |Jelly|: you would've been wrong until just that moment... that was the first thread i looked at this am :P |
| 15:45.30 | cog|work | *hug* nonetheless |
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| 15:46.19 | cog|work | it's no longer 4/1 anywhere in the world right? |
| 15:46.25 | cog|work | wtb normal forums... |
| 15:46.34 | |Jelly| | WTB AdBlock+ |
| 15:46.38 | Adys | something that would be cool |
| 15:46.45 | durcyn | just noscript it, ffs. |
| 15:46.56 | Adys | and wouldnt require further development |
| 15:46.57 | |Jelly| | WTS, rather |
| 15:47.03 | Adys | would be having a "general" loot table |
| 15:47.18 | Adys | like a loot table for the entirety of an expansion, lvl 60-70 |
| 15:47.49 | Adys | each item would be flagged "trash", "boss" or "endboss" for example |
| 15:48.04 | Adys | and depending on the boss' level, it picks the correct loot |
| 15:48.27 | Shirik | Ok |
| 15:48.30 | Adys | theres prolly a bunch of reasons they abandoned it.. still, i think it'd have been worth the investment |
| 15:48.33 | Shirik | this is how you know you spend too much time here |
| 15:48.45 | Shirik | I had a very strange dream last night |
| 15:48.46 | Lopeppeppy | And then if the table gets corrupted, it's corrupted for everyone everywhere. Ouch. |
| 15:48.59 | Shirik | Fisker- got k-lined for spamming the hell out of the channel |
| 15:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | That could happen |
| 15:49.20 | Adys | that happened before |
| 15:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | It would be weird if **I** got klined |
| 15:50.02 | Shirik | I would kline you |
| 15:50.05 | AckisWork | Shirik: that was a wet dream eh? |
| 15:50.06 | Shirik | you didn't even say hi to me |
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| 15:52.25 | AckisWork | so is blizz still removing the drakes in 3.1? |
| 15:52.41 | |Jelly| | HAI SHIRIK! I SEE YOU'RE NOT DREAMING OF ME. ... this is a good thing. |
| 15:52.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:52.48 | Shirik | sorry |
| 15:53.04 | |Jelly| | No really, this is a good thing. lol |
| 15:53.35 | cog|work | bans himself from the forums |
| 15:54.09 | mikma | gah! need to code a small hp-bar of target :( |
| 15:55.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that less of a -strange- dream and more of a daydream. :P |
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| 16:00.48 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:00.54 | cog|work | ary |
| 16:01.16 | Lunessa | flogs cog|work back to writing chapters. |
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| 16:02.19 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 16:02.31 | Lunessa | Hi hi, Peppy-dear. |
| 16:03.03 | Lyn | mikmanski |
| 16:06.46 | mikma | lynisse |
| 16:06.51 | mikma | waddup? |
| 16:07.23 | Legorol | Lunessa: just what exactly is "station"? |
| 16:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | Where you get on the bus. |
| 16:07.45 | Legorol | duh |
| 16:07.51 | Legorol | but why does Lunessa yell station when she logs in |
| 16:08.06 | Lunessa | Legorol: In the movie "Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey" it was a stanard greeting for the future culture. |
| 16:08.14 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck arent the forums back to normal? |
| 16:08.28 | Lunessa | It comes from the martian character "Station" who only ever says "station" in the whole film. |
| 16:08.49 | mikma | lunessa: oh i know, moment... |
| 16:09.31 | Lunessa | http://www.billandted.org/ |
| 16:10.31 | mikma | lunessa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0rBeoOiV1c <- greet us like the bird in this clip please |
| 16:11.09 | Lunessa | mikma: DENIED. Bogus. |
| 16:11.24 | mikma | lunessa: LOSER! |
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| 16:13.48 | Lunessa | Legorol: So, is your question answered? |
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| 16:15.32 | Legorol | Lunessa: I think so. Bit unsure... |
| 16:15.51 | Lunessa | STATION! Rent the movies. You'll thank me later. |
| 16:16.14 | Legorol | does Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey has anything to do with Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure? |
| 16:16.16 | Legorol | (I've seen the latter) |
| 16:16.37 | Lunessa | It's the sequal. |
| 16:16.39 | durcyn | well, they both feature bill and ted, you see. |
| 16:17.12 | Lunessa | And it's pretty funny. They hired a lot of powerful acting talents to be silly in that film. |
| 16:17.15 | Lopeppeppy | On trips to somewhere. |
| 16:18.30 | Lyn | mikma, \o ... nothing, you? |
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| 16:21.29 | mikma | lyn: a minor cleaning operation starting soon |
| 16:21.37 | Lyn | mikma, a what? |
| 16:21.47 | mikma | lyn: wife likes to invite friends to her birthdayparty when the house is clean :D |
| 16:21.57 | Lyn | haha |
| 16:22.08 | Lyn | open closet: put everything in it, close it |
| 16:22.10 | Lyn | win win |
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| 16:22.27 | Shirik | I'm not sure what to make of this |
| 16:22.29 | mikma | yeah something like that :D |
| 16:22.29 | Shirik | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=47481.0 |
| 16:23.59 | Lyn | mikma, cleaned myself a week ago, friend came along :] |
| 16:25.05 | Lopeppeppy | Looks like fun times, Shirik |
| 16:30.04 | mikma | lololo they wiped |
| 16:36.37 | NeoTron | what I make of that kill is that I plan to try it myself, see if we can get some more drake action |
| 16:38.54 | mikma | so, a stupid question again. how can i duplicate the width of CastingBarFrame? :) I did myframe:SetWidth(CastingBarFrame:GetWidth()) but myframe is widther than CastingBarFrame. I even applied SetScale ^^ |
| 16:39.50 | mikma | lol nvm, myframe:SetScale(UIParent:GetScale()) ftw |
| 16:39.57 | alestane | myFrame:SetPoint("LEFT", CastingBarFrame); myFrame:SetPoint("RIGHT", CastingBarFrame) |
| 16:40.08 | mikma | alestane: also, you are genius. thanks. |
| 16:41.04 | alestane | takes a bow. |
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| 16:41.47 | mikma | now i need to find a way to color this bar with hp changes :D |
| 16:41.54 | Lopeppeppy | Crayola. |
| 16:43.40 | Fisker- | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:43.55 | Fisker- | So time to exploit some fucking drakes for 310% speed mount |
| 16:44.00 | Lopeppeppy | Today, Peppy is a smart-alec. |
| 16:44.04 | Fisker- | It's a shame Blizzard has more pressing concerns |
| 16:44.06 | Fisker- | like corn patrol |
| 16:44.07 | mikma | slaps Fisker- around a bith with a large troll |
| 16:44.40 | Fisker- | but i'm right |
| 16:44.50 | Fisker- | Getting moar Candy Corn = Ban |
| 16:44.59 | Fisker- | Exploiting competitive achievements for high-end rewards = gz |
| 16:45.05 | Fisker- | Corn Patrol. |
| 16:49.53 | Lunessa | WTF are you on about? |
| 16:50.49 | Lunessa | alestane: I know I've said it before, but... Goose is the bomb. |
| 16:50.58 | alestane | Oh good. |
| 16:50.59 | Wraithan | I hate fishing. |
| 16:51.18 | alestane | And it still works in 3.1, if the PTRs are any indication. |
| 16:52.30 | Lunessa | I use it to hide a copuple of UI elements when I get into a vehicle since I can't use them while in one. :) |
| 16:54.07 | alestane | It's a good example of when expanding scope is a good thing and when it isn't. |
| 16:55.04 | Lopeppeppy | Up periscope! |
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| 16:55.44 | Lunessa | I really should make greater use of it - because it's a handy tool, but I'm lazy and "Good Enough" is good enough. |
| 16:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 3C/away |
| 16:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
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| 16:59.48 | alestane | Here's a random question for you, Lunessa: I briefly thought about making a "main tank assist" button, where you could shift-click the button to set its unit to your current target, then click the button to target or assist that unit, and the chosen unit wouldn't change until you reset it (or maybe stopped being grouped with them). Why would I have named this mod "Charlie"? |
| 17:00.21 | Wraithan | alestane: I made 2 hotkeys to do that |
| 17:00.23 | Lunessa | Alestane = Nam references FTW? |
| 17:00.34 | Wraithan | One sets my assist button, the other is my assist button |
| 17:01.04 | Lunessa | Unless it's a Flowers for Algernon reference. |
| 17:01.31 | alestane | Wraithan: Right, it was inspired by a MainTankAssist macro I helped design...hence the name, although I'll admit it's a roundabout reference. |
| 17:02.26 | Lunessa | I don't know that many people who remember the movie based on the book. |
| 17:02.46 | alestane | Flowers for Algernon? I read the short story version, don't know a movie. |
| 17:02.58 | Lunessa | But I had the book as an assignment in jr. high and high school like three times. And the movie was called "Charlie" |
| 17:03.01 | alestane | Lunessa: Long story short, it was an MTA button. |
| 17:03.10 | Lunessa | Oh. |
| 17:03.15 | Lunessa | faceplams |
| 17:03.38 | Lunessa | Will he never return? No he never returns. And his fate is still unlearned. |
| 17:04.02 | alestane | And somehow he is now the symbol of the T and its new modernization projects. |
| 17:04.08 | Lunessa | Poor Ol' Charlie. He will ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston. |
| 17:04.19 | alestane | He's the man who never returned. |
| 17:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | MTA is weird. |
| 17:04.59 | Lunessa | Heh, funny thing. I did a skit for that song with puppets as my 6th grade talent show entry. |
| 17:05.28 | Lunessa | Turns out, puppets were not a valid "talent" since I didn't sing, dance, or personally act. |
| 17:05.35 | alestane | I always wanted to know, if his wife handed him a sandwich through the window every day, why didn't she just hand him a nickel and get hi off the train? |
| 17:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | Because she *liked* him being on the train? |
| 17:06.35 | alestane | There's always that possibility...Charlie stayed on the train so Anthony could keep coming over? |
| 17:06.49 | Lopeppeppy | Stranger things in our world than that |
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| 17:09.42 | alestane | Much stranger things, yes. |
| 17:14.45 | alestane | Frellin'...wow. Unexplored sectors list now short enough to fit on one screen. |
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| 17:16.58 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, poor alestane |
| 17:17.06 | Shirik | alestane: that's good, no? |
| 17:17.23 | alestane | Mostly it's amazing to have finally reached that point. |
| 17:17.55 | TopTop18 | Eey guys! I've started the build of my first addon :D TOC finished XD |
| 17:18.10 | alestane | A good milestone. |
| 17:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | Congrats, TopTop18. |
| 17:18.37 | Lunessa | alestane: Mmmm... exploration. |
| 17:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way to transfer shields from one ship to another? |
| 17:19.50 | alestane | Only, I think, if you have a level 5 citadel. |
| 17:20.16 | TopTop18 | Gonna start building and failing the XML now |
| 17:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 17:20.27 | TopTop18 | What game is this about? |
| 17:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | TradeWars |
| 17:21.05 | alestane | The venerable TradeWars2002 |
| 17:21.45 | TopTop18 | Gonna look that up tomorrow :D |
| 17:22.35 | TopTop18 | Error 1: How do you make an addon nnot showing up always, but getting enabled when you open character info? or with minimap button |
| 17:23.37 | Legorol | TopTop18: that's actually quite an advanced topic. You might want to avoid that on your first addon. |
| 17:23.40 | Legorol | Just make your addon always load. |
| 17:23.48 | TopTop18 | Okay |
| 17:24.04 | alestane | Once your add-on works, worry about little details like load-on-demand. |
| 17:24.08 | TopTop18 | OPh bth, trying to make some stat claculating addon thingy |
| 17:24.09 | Legorol | for that you'll need to dwell into LoadOnDemand addons, which require stubs and so on |
| 17:24.25 | TopTop18 | Okay |
| 17:24.32 | TopTop18 | Thanks, gonna go further then :D |
| 17:24.45 | TopTop18 | Location not that important atm XD |
| 17:24.54 | TopTop18 | Just have to work XD |
| 17:28.45 | TopTop18 | What's the size of the game window? So i knwo what a good size for the addon would be |
| 17:29.03 | TopTop18 | Oh and can;t you chnge the resolution of the game window? Doesn;t that affect addons? |
| 17:29.23 | alestane | It doesn't really, because the coordinate system used isn't pixel-based. |
| 17:29.35 | TopTop18 | How's it based then? |
| 17:29.48 | TopTop18 | Need to know what the number means I fill in XD |
| 17:29.54 | alestane | The root frame is 768 high, and as wide as it needs to be to stay in proportion. |
| 17:30.05 | Wraithan | Dude, put in the number and see what happens |
| 17:30.19 | Wraithan | Guess and check is a rather great way to do this part of the addon's development. |
| 17:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | 400 pixels! |
| 17:31.14 | alestane | Over NINE THOUSAND!!!1! |
| 17:31.17 | alestane | ..ahem. |
| 17:31.21 | alestane | I'm fine, really. |
| 17:31.31 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, shush you. I was being random but within the bounds of a freakin' screen. *poke* |
| 17:31.53 | TopTop18 | Lol |
| 17:32.29 | TopTop18 | Wraithan, takes a long time as my computer takes 10 mins to start up and another 10 to close WoW, alt tabbing takes 5 mins and makes everything to slow... |
| 17:32.34 | alestane | goes back to gluing sequins on the cat. |
| 17:32.39 | TopTop18 | *start up wow |
| 17:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 17:32.53 | Wraithan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.01 | TopTop18 | Well getting my new PC before my birthday, the tenth of April |
| 17:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | TopTop18: you don't need to close WoW inbetween changes. Use /console reloadui and it'll reload just the UI, showing you the changes you made. |
| 17:33.13 | Lopeppeppy | TopTop18, that's a.... bad computer. I wish you joy with the new one! |
| 17:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Wraithan: that command doesn't exist by default |
| 17:33.31 | Wraithan | ScytheBlade1: I thought they added it |
| 17:33.39 | TopTop18 | Okay thanks, gonna try that :D |
| 17:33.48 | TopTop18 | You guys are a great help! |
| 17:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | One way to find out |
| 17:34.06 | NeoTron | TopTop18: as suggestion if alt tabbing is slow |
| 17:34.09 | NeoTron | run in windowed mode |
| 17:34.09 | Wraithan | logging out, I will test it really quick |
| 17:34.24 | Lunessa | Windowed Mode = LOVE |
| 17:34.26 | TopTop18 | Oh adn getting two screens with my new computer, so I don;t even have to alt tab |
| 17:34.27 | NeoTron | will save you a lot of headaches - even on a fast computer it makes things snappier and less disruptive |
| 17:34.38 | Lunessa | WIndowed Mode is like taking two girls to the prom. |
| 17:34.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like it does not exist in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 17:34.53 | alestane | They start pulling hair? |
| 17:35.12 | Wraithan | ScytheBlade1: just disabled all my addons and you are right |
| 17:35.17 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.22 | TopTop18 | Neotron, ye didn;t thought of that, good idea, but still makes everything slow cause of multiple applications running including the huge WoW...( normally around 15-20 FPS...) |
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| 17:35.42 | NeoTron | fair enough but at least it won't take 10m :P |
| 17:35.48 | TopTop18 | Ye :D |
| 17:36.03 | Shirik | You should use /rl |
| 17:36.03 | NeoTron | also may I recommend a cozy place for your development.. such as deadmines? |
| 17:36.07 | Lunessa | alestane: Obviously you were not a player, and/or don't watch teen sit-coms. |
| 17:36.22 | Shirik | Because if you're a developer, you WILL have devtools installed |
| 17:36.25 | Shirik | and therefore /rl will exist |
| 17:36.30 | NeoTron | TopTop18: and if you really wnt things snappier, make an alt that has a minimal set of addons |
| 17:36.40 | alestane | Ah, one of those "two girls to the prom" situations. |
| 17:36.54 | alestane | Shirik: No. DevTools adds "/reload". |
| 17:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | TopTop18, what on earth are you running at the same time as WoW that's resource heavy? |
| 17:37.04 | Shirik | mm pretty sure it adds both |
| 17:37.11 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.13 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: sounds like it's WoW itself :P |
| 17:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pretty sure it doesn't! |
| 17:37.24 | Shirik | fine, then I'll fork devtools just to do that |
| 17:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what alestane said, that's an ace component |
| 17:37.39 | TopTop18 | Lopeppeppy, WoW makes this chat and general browsing slow |
| 17:37.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, you needs more RAMS and stuff. Glad you're getting new |
| 17:38.05 | NeoTron | loves his 6 GB. |
| 17:38.08 | TopTop18 | Someone interested in the specs of my new pc? |
| 17:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | -wow- |
| 17:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/7969110.stm |
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| 17:41.19 | NeoTron | TopTop18: typically I'd say no, but I don't think anyone would mind a brief line of computer epeen |
| 17:41.21 | Lunessa | Bad news is bad. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/vowing-to-preve.html |
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| 17:42.37 | Lopeppeppy | Unsexy |
| 17:43.13 | alestane | That has "debacle" written all over it. |
| 17:43.15 | durcyn | the word 'cyber' needs to go away forever. |
| 17:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 17:44.12 | Lunessa | Until it refers to my chromed out arm replacement with a gun and entertainment system in it. |
| 17:44.28 | kamdis | lol |
| 17:44.29 | Dewin | Lunessa: Where can I get one of those? |
| 17:44.43 | durcyn | Lunessa: Skull Gun, imo. |
| 17:45.14 | Lunessa | durcyn: No, no compression waves in near the grey matter please. |
| 17:45.45 | durcyn | I'll have to re-read Diamond Age, but I'm pretty sure recoil was addressed |
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| 17:46.22 | alestane | Not entirely, it's described as putting giving you a headache. |
| 17:46.24 | Lunessa | have you read "Zodiac"? |
| 17:46.31 | alestane | s/putting // |
| 17:46.42 | durcyn | it's been a few years, but yes |
| 17:47.25 | durcyn | I made it as far as halfway through the second baroque trilogy book before i had to take a break from stephenson |
| 17:48.04 | ScytheBlade1 | neat way of testing: http://www.confickerworkinggroup.org/infection_test/cfeyechart.html |
| 17:48.57 | Lunessa | If you like "cyberpunk" novels check out "The Hacker and the Ants" - Zucker I think. It's a fun romp. |
| 17:49.35 | Lopeppeppy | Neat, ScytheBlade1. Does it actually work? |
| 17:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 17:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That right there is an actual test |
| 17:49.45 | Wraithan | The Wizbiz |
| 17:49.54 | Wraithan | Was a fun book to read |
| 17:50.34 | Lopeppeppy | Elizabeth Bear's Jenny series... Worldwired I think is first? |
| 17:50.53 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I moved on to Whiskey and Water, in the middle of it right now. |
| 17:51.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, E bear rocks my world. |
| 17:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Unrelated: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/03/26/parents-fury-at-school-truant-letter-for-dead-daughter-115875-21228455/ |
| 17:51.35 | alestane | I haven't seen a character yet who doesn't fit into my world somewhere. |
| 17:53.26 | cog|work | overreaction to clerical error is overreaction imo |
| 17:53.34 | cog|work | emotions 4tl |
| 17:54.44 | TopTop18 | Bad thing guys, No frame is shown... |
| 17:55.25 | Dewin | liked his job better when it didn't involve using fancy phrases like ROI. |
| 17:55.53 | alestane | TopTop18: Try typing into your chat /run print(FrameName) , where FrameName is the name you gave your frame, |
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| 17:56.40 | alestane | cog|work: I don't know if I'd fly off the handle, but that would make me pretty upset. Yes, I'm sure it was a mistake, but the loss of a child is a sore nerve at best. |
| 17:57.14 | kamdis | especially just 2 months afterwards. |
| 17:57.23 | kamdis | when the death is unexplained. |
| 17:57.53 | TopTop18 | Alestane, nothing happened... |
| 17:58.09 | alestane | Nothing appeared in chat? |
| 17:58.21 | TopTop18 | lil |
| 17:58.24 | TopTop18 | Um nil |
| 17:58.29 | TopTop18 | it says nil |
| 17:58.58 | alestane | Then your frame didn't load for some reason. Take a look in ~WoW/Logs/FrameXML.log |
| 17:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, "at best a sore nerve" ? |
| 17:59.09 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke alestane |
| 17:59.39 | alestane | For the metaphor, or the grammar? |
| 17:59.58 | TopTop18 | Alestane, i see there was a fault in my toc file Stat_calculator.xml instead of Stat calculator.xml |
| 18:00.21 | alestane | There you go, it didn't try to load the right file. |
| 18:00.21 | Lopeppeppy | The thought. I almost can't believe you said that and meant it? |
| 18:00.22 | TopTop18 | Do i have to exit the game to realod the toc file? |
| 18:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | is sorely confused. |
| 18:01.01 | kamdis | Not everyone is a caring parent, I suppose. |
| 18:01.05 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: Thanks for the link to that cfeyechart. I just forwarded it along to my (much less computer savvy) family members. |
| 18:01.20 | Lopeppeppy | This is true, kamdis. I'm admittedly not a kidlet-craver. |
| 18:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: it is a surprisingly simple, effective test |
| 18:01.39 | Cairenn | nod |
| 18:01.40 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: What I thought I was saying is that I fully expect any parent to get upset at being reminded of the recent and distressing loss of their child. I have a decided tendency to understatement. |
| 18:02.05 | alestane | Especially when the reminder is that tasteless, even unintentionally so. |
| 18:02.16 | Lopeppeppy | It read much much much more understated, ya. |
| 18:03.43 | alestane | It hurts when you poke it. How much depends on what the parent is like and how they're poked. |
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| 18:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 'k, this guy deserves life in prison: http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_11996712 |
| 18:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a local paper of mine, too |
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| 18:05.55 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. That really sucks. |
| 18:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | $10k bail isn't nearly enough |
| 18:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | And don't get me started on relative laws for animal abuse versus violent sex crimes... |
| 18:06.34 | TopTop18 | Alestane, Still nil... |
| 18:07.21 | alestane | If the file name in the .toc was wrong, you'll have to completely restart WoW before it will read it. |
| 18:07.31 | Cairenn | snarls at that newspaper article |
| 18:07.43 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I would expect the man's issues to be related. I.e., abusing the dog in anger at the woman. He is a menace. |
| 18:08.14 | Dashkal | Ok, I gotta ask. Has anybody yet seen a confirmed conficker infection? |
| 18:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree, Lunessa. But if he'd done the same to the woman, what would the laws be, and the punishment. Think about that some. |
| 18:08.32 | Fisker- | naw we don't suck Dashkal |
| 18:08.37 | TopTop18 | I did resatart everything |
| 18:08.41 | TopTop18 | 4/2 20:05:32.546 Binding TOGGLECURRENCY is defined more than once in Interface\FrameXML\Bindings.xml |
| 18:08.41 | TopTop18 | 4/2 20:05:32.546 Loading add-on Stat calculator |
| 18:08.41 | TopTop18 | 4/2 20:05:32.546 ** Loading table of contents Interface\AddOns\Stat calculator\Stat calculator.toc |
| 18:08.41 | TopTop18 | 4/2 20:05:32.546 Error loading Interface\AddOns\Stat calculator\Stat calculator.lua |
| 18:08.41 | TopTop18 | 4/2 20:05:32.546 Couldn't parse XML in Interface\AddOns\Stat calculator\Stat calculator.xml |
| 18:08.46 | TopTop18 | Says the log |
| 18:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That answers that quite nicely |
| 18:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Also |
| 18:08.57 | TopTop18 | The lua file just don;t exist yet |
| 18:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | pastey.net is your friend |
| 18:08.59 | alestane | Then there's a glitch in your XML. |
| 18:09.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Any more than ~2-3 lines, please stick in pastey.net and then link that here |
| 18:09.15 | Dashkal | Fisker-: heh, could be a non-technical friend or something. Just that I'm curious if this is just an april fools joke. |
| 18:09.18 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: If you beat any human being like that, there are laws to punish you. Assault, Battery, all states have them. |
| 18:09.50 | TopTop18 | SchytheBlade1, will do that |
| 18:09.57 | Fisker- | Dashkal it's not as far as i know |
| 18:09.58 | TopTop18 | Alestane, how to solve that? |
| 18:09.59 | Cairenn | TopTop18: you're new to the channel, so you couldn't know and we aren't upset with you, but - any time you need to paste more than three lines of code, please use http://wowuidev.pastey.net and then paste the link |
| 18:10.16 | Fisker- | i'm very upset though |
| 18:10.17 | alestane | While there are certainly aggravated assault laws, they are not always prosecuted with equal fervor. |
| 18:10.26 | TopTop18 | Cairenn, I will do :D |
| 18:10.29 | Cairenn | :) |
| 18:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, it may interest you some day to compare laws and penalties... Just saying, I know that some states have harsher penalties for animal abuse than human abuse, particularly rape and sexual violence. |
| 18:11.33 | TopTop18 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111494 |
| 18:11.40 | TopTop18 | Anyone knows how to solve? |
| 18:12.02 | alestane | You need something that will scan your XML in more detail and isolate the error. |
| 18:12.17 | Lunessa | decides to drop it. |
| 18:12.19 | TopTop18 | that auctioneer bug finder thingy? |
| 18:12.25 | alestane | If you paste the file contents, that's one way. Or you can get a validating parser program. |
| 18:12.28 | Lopeppeppy | hugs Lunessa. Sore subject is sore. |
| 18:12.40 | Lunessa | Reason is absent in the house of emotion. |
| 18:12.54 | Lunessa | hugs Lopeppeppy. |
| 18:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | TopTop18: you can either pastey the full XML file, or try it in here: http://dev.averageurl.com/wow/xml/ |
| 18:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | TopTop18: but the latter, unless you know what you're looking for, won't be of use |
| 18:15.05 | TopTop18 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111495 |
| 18:15.25 | TopTop18 | My current files |
| 18:15.37 | alestane | Capitalize the U in the </ui> tag at the end. |
| 18:15.53 | alestane | XML is case-sensitive. |
| 18:16.22 | TopTop18 | Meh such simple things you're unaware of... |
| 18:16.33 | alestane | Also, your frame has no visible content, so you won't know when it loads unless you run the print test. |
| 18:17.11 | TopTop18 | How to add the visible content? Thought this was just the frame outlines? |
| 18:17.13 | alestane | I use XML Nanny to scan for errors like that, but I don't think it exists except on the Mac. |
| 18:17.54 | alestane | It will define the frame area, but there won't be anything that shows you where that area is. You need to give the frame a texture, a backdrop, something. |
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| 18:18.06 | TopTop18 | Shouldn;t those outlines be seen ingame? |
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| 18:18.45 | alestane | A frame, by itself, is completely invisible. It needs textures linked to its layers in order to appear. |
| 18:19.25 | kd3 | sigh |
| 18:19.46 | TopTop18 | Okay, so I have to fill in the next part?(I use the showmethemoney tut files as outlines for my addon :D) |
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| 18:20.45 | TopTop18 | oO the print thingy actually prints something now! table 0B340290 |
| 18:21.02 | alestane | So you're XML has been parsed and your frame has been loaded. |
| 18:21.06 | alestane | your* |
| 18:24.41 | alestane | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111496 See the highlighted part about the backdrop? That will create an outlined area. |
| 18:27.50 | TopTop18 | Already added that part :D http://wowuidev.pastey.net/111497 |
| 18:28.09 | TopTop18 | OOOH me has a nice empty grey field now oO |
| 18:28.39 | Lunessa | thinks they're so cute when they're first learning. |
| 18:29.17 | TopTop18 | Does your backdrop and my backdrop look the same? |
| 18:29.47 | alestane | They should, I just simplified teh XML from the ShowMeTheMoney.xml file. |
| 18:30.19 | TopTop18 | :D just another style of writing, think your writing is easier indeed! |
| 18:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | wants to learn! |
| 18:30.45 | TopTop18 | What? |
| 18:30.54 | alestane | http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2000-11-17 |
| 18:31.29 | Lunessa | Peppy - cute comes naturally to you. :P |
| 18:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 18:31.55 | TopTop18 | lol |
| 18:32.19 | alestane | Still love this one: http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2001-01-15 |
| 18:32.38 | Fisker- | last week i saw a film |
| 18:33.08 | cog|away | anyone know what KeyBindingFrame.mode is meant to signify? it's passed as an extra argument to the various binding APIs (which I can't seem to find in any api changes lists). It's set to 1 in GameMenuFrame.xml and I can't find any other codepaths that change it. |
| 18:34.16 | alestane | Did you also search for self.mode or something similar? |
| 18:35.30 | cog|away | self.mode has no related hits, and just .mode has way too many :P |
| 18:36.10 | alestane | Have an example handy? |
| 18:36.19 | cog|away | an example of what? |
| 18:36.30 | alestane | It being passed as an argument? |
| 18:36.46 | cog|away | SetBinding(key1, nil, KeyBindingFrame.mode); |
| 18:37.02 | alestane | Hrm, that is sort of strange. |
| 18:37.10 | Lunessa | She comes back to tell me she's gone. As if I did know that. As if I didn't know my own bed. As if I didn't notice the way she brushed her hair from her forehead. |
| 18:37.48 | Fisker- | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47512.html <-omg cog|away |
| 18:38.10 | cog|away | wonders if Zootfizzle might be willing to shed some light on this |
| 18:38.12 | Vilkku | evening people |
| 18:38.17 | Vilkku | anyone from the states here? |
| 18:38.21 | TopTop18 | I'm of for today guys! I'll be abck tomorrow :D |
| 18:38.35 | alestane | If you mean the US of A, many of us. |
| 18:38.37 | TopTop18 | Accomplishments for today: Got a grey nice sized frame on my screen :D |
| 18:38.39 | Lopeppeppy | And I say losing love is like a window in your heart. |
| 18:38.40 | Vilkku | great |
| 18:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://macetech.com/blog/?q=node/46 |
| 18:39.02 | Vilkku | then, if you don't mind, could you check this vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YJ088DeJQo) and tell me what music it is at 0:24 or so |
| 18:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "Instead of doing anything useful, it waits between 30 seconds and 8 minutes and sends the scancode for the Caps Lock key. This will toggle the Caps Lock status on or off." |
| 18:39.23 | Vilkku | I reckon it's from some american sports show |
| 18:39.53 | cog|away | that's the monday night football theme iirc |
| 18:40.02 | cog|away | (american football) |
| 18:40.30 | cog|away | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrnY11pXSFE |
| 18:40.45 | Vilkku | awesome, thanks |
| 18:43.09 | kd3 | sbo; win |
| 18:43.38 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 18:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally want one |
| 18:43.48 | AckisWork | cog|away: u r not away! |
| 18:44.57 | AckisWork | alert: I need cheering up, pls send cute pics nai |
| 18:45.45 | cog|book | hmm... it's definitely a 3.0 change... |
| 18:45.50 | AckisWork | cog|book: you're holding up my couch now?? |
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| 18:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/a-charter-boat-crew-member-choked-to-death-after-swallowing-a-bait-fish-as-a-joke-in-front-of-elementary-school-children-duri.html |
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| 18:56.10 | cog|book | damn you Vilkku ... that tune is stuck in my head now >< |
| 18:56.17 | cog|book | though it's better than what i had yesterday... |
| 18:57.00 | Vilkku | cog|book, it didn't happen to be the Nom nom nom nom nom nom? |
| 18:57.33 | cog|book | nah... my brain rickrolled me every time someone posted a youtube link... |
| 18:57.39 | Vilkku | wtf :P |
| 18:57.40 | Vilkku | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMWi7CLoZ2Q |
| 18:57.53 | Vilkku | well, everything you had stuck in your head before now will be replaced by that |
| 18:58.06 | AckisWork | I went into a comic shop on monday and got rick rolled |
| 19:01.10 | alestane | "Why would they make a child-safety cap with pictographic instructions?" |
| 19:01.26 | End | so that even a child could operate it? |
| 19:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom is awesome cuteness. Rabbits with huge eyes! |
| 19:07.49 | alestane | That goes into the "guaranteed cures for shitty days" collection. |
| 19:07.53 | kd3 | heh |
| 19:08.05 | kd3 | the first time I've used my optical drive in months and it's to burn the f11beta dvd |
| 19:08.31 | kd3 | think the last time I used it was to install wrath? maybe? |
| 19:08.58 | AckisWork | I used it to install the drivers for my network storage device (2 TB of fun) |
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| 19:22.47 | kd3 | hokay. time to try out f11beta |
| 19:23.38 | AckisWork | f11? |
| 19:23.42 | ScytheBlade1 | fedora 11 |
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| 19:30.36 | cog|lunch | Esamynn: foxlit: random q since you both just joined... either of you have any idea what the new "mode" parameter for the key bindings APIs is meant to signify? |
| 19:30.59 | cog|lunch | Default UI passes KeyBindingFrame.mode which, best I can tell, is set to 1 and never changed |
| 19:31.22 | Esamynn | maybe something to do with joystick support? |
| 19:31.34 | Esamynn | (just off the top of my head) |
| 19:31.55 | foxlit | The alternative is dual specs |
| 19:32.19 | cog|lunch | both of those crossed my mind. is the Dual spec system on the ptr yet though? |
| 19:32.25 | Esamynn | yes |
| 19:32.31 | cog|lunch | I couldn't find any other code that sets KeyBindingFrame.mode |
| 19:32.37 | Esamynn | you have to go pay your trainer 1000g to enable it |
| 19:32.55 | cog|lunch | besides GameMenu.xml setting it to 1 |
| 19:33.17 | foxlit | You got a PTR client that works? |
| 19:33.37 | cog|lunch | yep |
| 19:34.22 | foxlit | Could also try checking if it's perhaps some sort of checkOverrides flag. |
| 19:34.25 | Esamynn | cog|lunch: well, the joystick files have these lines : BINDINGMODE 0 also 1 and 2 |
| 19:34.46 | Esamynn | so I think it's gotta be joystick related |
| 19:35.41 | Esamynn | ahh ha, another clue |
| 19:35.47 | foxlit | (Esamynn also has a very reasonable theory) |
| 19:36.05 | Esamynn | JoystickConfig.xml talks about Normal State, Action State and Targeting State |
| 19:36.09 | foxlit | Joystick controls switch between several modes depending on what you're doing |
| 19:36.12 | foxlit | ^ that. |
| 19:37.05 | Esamynn | cog|lunch: take a look at the early wdn PTR interface download zips, they include the Joystick xml file |
| 19:37.14 | cog|lunch | thanks |
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| 19:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: you're far braver than I |
| 19:41.14 | kd3 | well that was quick |
| 19:41.18 | kd3 | traceback in anaconda |
| 19:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was thinking |
| 19:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that |
| 19:41.31 | kd3 | it doesn't like my dmraid setup |
| 19:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | you mean your frankenstein of hard drive setups? |
| 19:42.21 | kd3 | yup |
| 19:42.22 | Dagmar | makes the sign of the horns to ward off anaconda |
| 19:42.34 | kd3 | apparently it's a known bug in the build of anaconda that got shipped |
| 19:42.40 | Dagmar | I shouldn't be too hard on it because it's made me money, but it's still annoying |
| 19:42.47 | kd3 | keeps skimming rhbz |
| 19:42.55 | Dagmar | debugging wtf just happened when those things DON'T work right is really annoying |
| 19:44.12 | Dagmar | Jumpstart had some really cool suprises in it like that |
| 19:44.30 | Dagmar | Like, you could declare filesystems and mount points with whatever names you liked but... |
| 19:45.01 | Dagmar | Unless they were named /var, /opt, /usr, and a few other very specific paths, Jumpstart just wouldn't mount them at install time |
| 19:45.10 | kd3 | lol |
| 19:45.27 | Dagmar | Yeah. I had a nameserver package that was going into /chroot/named and just *disappearing* |
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| 19:45.52 | Dagmar | The install would go okay, the machine would boot normally, and then it would mount the actual /chroot/named right over the top of the existing directory. |
| 19:46.01 | kd3 | >.< |
| 19:46.16 | NeoTron | yay filefront is back! |
| 19:46.20 | kd3 | ! |
| 19:46.30 | Lopeppeppy | Really? |
| 19:46.33 | Dagmar | I was doing builds for both Kickstart and Jumpstart and it was making me insane when they'd not come out identical |
| 19:55.39 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:57.13 | Lopeppeppy | I needed hugs. Thank you Shirik. |
| 19:57.21 | Adys | ~whalehug Lopeppeppy |
| 19:57.29 | Adys | need more whales |
| 19:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | Whales are broken, Purl had an accident. |
| 19:59.06 | Adys | ~whalelaser Lopeppeppy |
| 19:59.12 | Lopeppeppy | Adys! |
| 19:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice. |
| 19:59.18 | Adys | ~whalezero Lopeppeppy |
| 19:59.34 | Lopeppeppy | ~Adys -- |
| 19:59.52 | Adys | ~whalecompile Lopeppeppy |
| 20:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | ~karma adys |
| 20:00.05 | purl | adys has karma of 2 |
| 20:01.30 | Adys | :( |
| 20:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | Stop beating me up with whales when I's had a bad day, and your karma will rise. |
| 20:06.03 | cog|lunch | Adys: purl is no longer processing parametric commands |
| 20:06.10 | Adys | ~whalekarma cog|lunch |
| 20:06.51 | Adys | cog|book: why not? |
| 20:07.02 | cog|book | that time of the month? |
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| 20:07.13 | Adys | alright. |
| 20:08.23 | cog|book | lurvs the new function attribute on script tags |
| 20:11.59 | cog|book | & parentKey |
| 20:14.42 | batrick | jnwhiteh: you working on adding lpeg to your IRC bot to handle parsing? |
| 20:15.38 | alestane | Because every class has one of these: http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2002-10-14 |
| 20:18.16 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.27 | kd3 | yay for bugs causing bugs |
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| 20:20.37 | Lunessa | alestane: The blow-gunner should get a medal. |
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| 20:23.40 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I saw that same thing with my F10 install, on both computers |
| 20:24.18 | kd3 | supposedly it's fixed now since anaconda's barfing when it actually sees my fakeraid metadata now |
| 20:24.25 | kd3 | though that's a bug in and of itself |
| 20:25.14 | kd3 | wonders how much pain it would take to transfer all his data off the raid and zero all the disks |
| 20:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me add that my disks were perfectly blank |
| 20:26.31 | kd3 | so were mine in the original bug report (linked in comment #2) |
| 20:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | Off for home, see yas tomorrow. |
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| 20:34.31 | Cairenn | oh my god - have you guys heard about the Hawaii Chair? |
| 20:35.01 | Cairenn | this is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHiqVygN-w0&NR=1 |
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| 20:37.00 | Lunessa | Cairenn: /facepalm |
| 20:37.04 | Cairenn | ROFL |
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| 20:37.19 | Cairenn | I'm sitting here laughing so hard I've got tears running down my cheeks |
| 20:37.24 | DWSR | Any good castbar mods out there? |
| 20:37.39 | Hjalte | Quartz |
| 20:38.01 | DWSR | Isn't that a timer mod? |
| 20:38.07 | Lunessa | All I could think of is that Ellen liked the infomercials 'cause the wiggling hips. |
| 20:38.25 | Hjalte | DWSR: It has some simple target timers, but you can turn those off. |
| 20:38.48 | Hjalte | It's the best castbar alternative out there imo, but not the most simple. |
| 20:39.55 | cog|book | lua> ("RSHIFT"):sub(2) |
| 20:39.55 | lua_bot | cog|book: SHIFT |
| 20:40.32 | Adys | Cairenn: holy shit |
| 20:40.49 | Lunessa | That chair is a laugh. |
| 20:40.54 | Cairenn | isn't it though?!?! |
| 20:42.05 | alestane | I can't QUITE treat my students like this, but I'm tempted: http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2002-12-23 |
| 20:43.25 | Adys | labled? |
| 20:43.25 | Fisker- | yay |
| 20:43.25 | Fisker- | obsidian greathelm |
| 20:44.27 | DWSR | is there an API to get the flight times between FPs now? |
| 20:44.34 | DWSR | Or do mods just still use timers. |
| 20:45.08 | durcyn | DWSR: timers. |
| 20:46.39 | Lyn | you americans are.. crazy @ hawaii chair |
| 20:48.06 | DWSR | Does BigWigs integrate with Quartz? |
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| 20:48.33 | TopTop18 | Really gone now guys :D Bye! |
| 20:48.38 | Hjalte | No. How should it DWSR? |
| 20:50.43 | DWSR | Hjalte: I thought that it did. Since BigWigs creates timer bars and Quartz has a section for timers. |
| 20:50.50 | DWSR | Quartz could just provide an API to create timers with it. |
| 20:51.38 | Hjalte | Bigwigs does timers for boss abilities etc. Quartz displays debuffs on your target. It's not really the same. |
| 20:51.55 | durcyn | quartz' timer module really isn't up to snuff for replacing candybar |
| 20:52.07 | DWSR | Hjalte: No...look in your quartz. |
| 20:52.09 | durcyn | Hjalte: nah, i think he's referring to the pizza timer functionality |
| 20:52.11 | DWSR | Hjalte: Under 'timers' |
| 20:52.19 | DWSR | aye |
| 20:53.05 | Gnarfoz | you're quite misinterpreting what Quartz was originally made for |
| 20:53.13 | Gnarfoz | it was a castbar replacement once |
| 20:53.13 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 20:53.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:53.21 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I understand that. But it has pizza timers. |
| 20:53.30 | Gnarfoz | quartz? random timers? |
| 20:53.35 | DWSR | yes |
| 20:53.40 | Gnarfoz | like... /bwlcb 15 Pizza! |
| 20:53.57 | DWSR | dunno which mod that used to be, but yeah. |
| 20:54.01 | Gnarfoz | (which is BigWig's own custom timer functionality) |
| 20:54.22 | Gnarfoz | /BigWigsLocalCastBar ^^ |
| 20:54.24 | zenzelezz | I read that as "BWL CB" |
| 20:54.26 | Gnarfoz | BWLCB |
| 20:54.37 | durcyn | local custom bar* |
| 20:54.37 | Gnarfoz | or local custom bar? |
| 20:54.37 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Me too. |
| 20:54.56 | durcyn | as opposed to /bwcb, which lets you spam everyone in the raid |
| 20:55.08 | Gnarfoz | everyone who has bigwigs :O |
| 20:55.43 | DWSR | BigWigs > DBM, for the most part. |
| 20:55.50 | DWSR | Only thing is that BW has the wrong timer for Anub. |
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| 20:55.56 | DWSR | First Locust Swarm is 105 seconds, not 90 |
| 20:56.16 | Gnarfoz | the last are like... totally random xD |
| 20:56.30 | NeoTron | My webserver host: 12:55:37 up 685 days, 4:17, 10 users, load average: 0.21, 0.25, 0.25 |
| 20:56.35 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: It would be nice to get the first one right. :P |
| 20:56.39 | NeoTron | not a record but ... chugging along |
| 20:56.40 | DWSR | NeoTron: Want a cookie? :P |
| 20:56.41 | Gnarfoz | there's probably at least an identical number of people who'd say DBM > BigWigs |
| 20:56.48 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Aye. |
| 20:56.49 | NeoTron | DWSR: actually that would be pretty tasty |
| 20:56.50 | Gnarfoz | also, if a timer is wrong, why don't you fix it |
| 20:56.52 | durcyn | 685 is chump change, try again! |
| 20:56.57 | Gnarfoz | etc :D |
| 20:56.57 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: ? |
| 20:57.00 | NeoTron | durcyn: I know it's no record. :P |
| 20:57.17 | kd3|hate`net | sigh |
| 20:57.22 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: you know? fix? :D when stuff isn't wrong afterwards anymore :P |
| 20:57.38 | DWSR | How? |
| 20:57.41 | NeoTron | DWSR: indeed if you know that there is an error in BigWigs, report it at least |
| 20:58.03 | DWSR | That and the skeleton boss at the end of DTK has no dataz. |
| 20:58.06 | NeoTron | open a ticket, ping one or more of the authors.. or check out the code, fix it and submit a patch (or submit directly if you're brave enough) |
| 21:00.41 | DWSR | NeoTron: Curseforge or WoWAce? |
| 21:00.46 | DWSR | Or does it even matter? |
| 21:01.27 | Gnarfoz | it can only be on either |
| 21:02.15 | DWSR | yeah, thought so. |
| 21:04.36 | Cairenn | or here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5086-BigWigsBossmods.html |
| 21:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 21:04.54 | ScytheBlade1 | that set off my trigger |
| 21:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | "WigSBOssmods" |
| 21:05.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:08.36 | DWSR | Is there any way to show ticks in Quartz? |
| 21:08.39 | DWSR | For buffs/debuffs? |
| 21:10.23 | durcyn | only by using a texture with hash marks |
| 21:10.47 | DWSR | each debuff has a different tick duration |
| 21:10.52 | durcyn | then you're fucked |
| 21:11.06 | durcyn | and it's the number of ticks that matter, not the duration |
| 21:11.21 | DWSR | No I'm not. Someone submitted a patch to the author. When he integrates it, I'll dump Forte |
| 21:11.34 | durcyn | i.e. i use the Fifths texture to time drain soul ticks |
| 21:12.43 | DWSR | yeah |
| 21:12.53 | DWSR | Well I use Forte and it just has sparks for where ticks take place. |
| 21:12.59 | DWSR | Which I think is a more elegant solution. |
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| 21:15.02 | Cairenn | tacklehugs Shirik |
| 21:17.58 | DWSR | can you kill the Heroic Training Dummy, or does its life just reset like all the other dummies? |
| 21:18.10 | NeoTron | DWSR: it's a wowace project so curseforge should just forward it there |
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| 21:26.30 | Cairenn | hey guys? I just got the most wonderful news! |
| 21:26.46 | |Jelly| | You just saved a bunch of money by switching to Geico? |
| 21:26.51 | Cairenn | better! |
| 21:26.58 | |Jelly| | woah |
| 21:27.01 | |Jelly| | Don't lie to us now. |
| 21:27.06 | durcyn | we're all going to disneyland? |
| 21:27.06 | Cairenn | pokes Shirik to make sure he's here .... |
| 21:27.23 | Cairenn | Shirik just told me |
| 21:27.24 | Cairenn | that |
| 21:27.25 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Cairenn!n=Shirik@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 21:27.25 | Shefki | Cairenn: WoWI is being bought by Microsoft? |
| 21:27.35 | |Jelly| | lol |
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| 21:27.38 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 21:27.40 | Fisker- | last night |
| 21:27.41 | Fisker- | i saw a film |
| 21:27.42 | Kalroth | haha |
| 21:27.51 | Adys | WAS IT A HORROR FILM?! |
| 21:27.54 | Adys | Cairenn: dont tell me the Addon store was cancelled?! |
| 21:27.55 | Fisker- | naw |
| 21:27.57 | Fisker- | that was last week |
| 21:28.02 | Cairenn | Adys: lol |
| 21:28.34 | Adys | so |
| 21:28.38 | cog|book | pokes Cairenn |
| 21:28.40 | Adys | anyone knows what items cant be deleted? |
| 21:28.45 | Cairenn | pokes cog|book |
| 21:28.59 | DWSR | Adys: afaik, everything can be deleted except for your backpack |
| 21:29.04 | Shefki | By the time she actually tells us we'll probably be 80 and living in a retirement home. |
| 21:29.09 | Adys | the backpack is not an item |
| 21:29.19 | Adys | I got a big fat "NO_DELETE" flag on items here |
| 21:29.24 | Adys | and I have no idea where its used |
| 21:29.26 | DWSR | QED, everything can be deleted. |
| 21:29.35 | cog|book | Cairenn: what did Shirik suppress? |
| 21:29.37 | DWSR | what item is it? |
| 21:29.39 | cog|book | :P |
| 21:29.40 | Cairenn | oh |
| 21:29.45 | Cairenn | lol, nothing, just picking on him |
| 21:29.55 | cog|book | figured as much |
| 21:30.06 | |Jelly| | is still waiting ... Cairenn ... |
| 21:30.08 | Adys | DWSR: I just said I had no idea where its used, I just have a flag here |
| 21:30.21 | DWSR | Adys: Maybe for quest items? |
| 21:30.21 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: ^^ |
| 21:30.29 | Adys | maybe |
| 21:32.55 | DWSR | Cairenn: What's the good news? |
| 21:33.05 | Cairenn | nothing, I was just picking on Shirik |
| 21:33.13 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:33.16 | Shirik | omg stop pinging me |
| 21:33.21 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:33.23 | DWSR | DO EET |
| 21:33.35 | DWSR | is such a shit disturber. |
| 21:33.38 | Cairenn | hugs S.hirik |
| 21:34.46 | cog|book | Shirik_: ping |
| 21:34.58 | cog|book | hides |
| 21:36.04 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16102221684&sid=1#5 - Someone want to look at this and tell me all the things I got wrong? thanks. |
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| 21:37.32 | Shirik | Lunessa: You found the need to, for some reason, give variable names to things you don't use :P |
| 21:38.04 | Lunessa | I grabbed them and then didn't use them because I didn't want to throw away the returns, but yeah. |
| 21:38.19 | durcyn | looks like valid syntax except for that space between SendChatMessage and its parenthesis |
| 21:38.40 | Shirik | that's legal |
| 21:38.44 | durcyn | oh. |
| 21:38.47 | Shirik | lua> loadstring("print (1)") |
| 21:38.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x8085a78 |
| 21:38.49 | durcyn | :( |
| 21:38.50 | jnwhiteh | batbot: I'm working on a parser for the RFC |
| 21:38.58 | jnwhiteh | batrick: I'm working on a parser for the RFC |
| 21:39.01 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: The facebook one? |
| 21:39.04 | jnwhiteh | but freenode breaks it with hostmasks. |
| 21:39.05 | Lunessa | Thanks. I missed that. |
| 21:39.09 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: no, irc |
| 21:39.14 | Shirik | oh :P |
| 21:40.46 | Lunessa | Shirik: Originally I was going to do more complex logic with those variables, but there just isn't much room in a macro. |
| 21:42.43 | Shirik | Anyone know any good free code design tools? (e.g., UML) |
| 21:43.29 | jnwhiteh | argouml |
| 21:43.31 | jnwhiteh | bt it sucks. |
| 21:43.44 | Shirik | points at the "good" qualifier :P |
| 21:43.56 | Shirik | bleh, I mean I can do this on paper |
| 21:44.00 | Shirik | I just don't want to go try to find a pen |
| 21:44.03 | nevcairiel | argouml is the only thing i ever found "usable", but it still sucks |
| 21:45.52 | jnwhiteh | anyone know of any registrars that offer free whois privacy.. and don't cost an arm and a leg? |
| 21:46.06 | Adys | Google |
| 21:46.34 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 21:46.43 | Adys | they got some registrar service |
| 21:46.53 | Adys | it runs on top of godaddy but they got some nice custom service stoo |
| 21:47.07 | jnwhiteh | godaddy is postively terrible =/ |
| 21:47.24 | jnwhiteh | mydomain has been good |
| 21:47.26 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Not free, but dyndns has whois privacy that works well |
| 21:47.28 | Shirik | it's not expensive |
| 21:47.39 | Shirik | I use dyndns for everything and have been very satisfied with them |
| 21:47.50 | jnwhiteh | there was some Gandhi dns or some shit like that |
| 21:47.55 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster linked maybe or Wobin |
| 21:47.56 | jnwhiteh | someone |
| 21:48.01 | jnwhiteh | but they were expensiver |
| 21:48.14 | Shirik | It's $15/yr which I don't think is bad http://www.dyndns.com/services/pricing/#domains |
| 21:48.27 | Shirik | I'm sorry |
| 21:48.29 | Shirik | $10/yr |
| 21:48.38 | DWSR | Prices depend on the TLD. |
| 21:48.42 | DWSR | .ca domains are a hell of a lot more. |
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| 21:48.48 | Shirik | $10/yr for the privacy |
| 21:48.51 | Shirik | which is what he's asking |
| 21:49.01 | DWSR | ah. |
| 21:49.04 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 21:49.22 | jnwhiteh | well i want privacy included |
| 21:49.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 21:49.25 | jnwhiteh | i can buy it |
| 21:49.27 | jnwhiteh | but i want it invluded. |
| 21:49.50 | Shirik | a .com registration with privacy would be $25/yr. I think that's reasonable, personally, but that's me |
| 21:49.56 | jnwhiteh | that's too much |
| 21:49.59 | jnwhiteh | its much cheaper at mydomain |
| 21:49.59 | jnwhiteh | :p |
| 21:50.03 | mikma | co.ca |
| 21:51.47 | DWSR | ca.ca |
| 21:52.55 | jnwhiteh | opendns.org should be a registrar |
| 21:54.03 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: They aren't? |
| 21:54.09 | jnwhiteh | not that i can tell |
| 21:54.10 | DWSR | Oh, no that's right. They only provide DNS services. |
| 21:54.28 | Codayus | It's really quite an odd name, honestly. |
| 21:54.48 | Lunessa | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/celebrity-pictures-ford-hamill-plan-text.jpg |
| 21:55.09 | jnwhiteh | 14.95 a year isn't terrible. |
| 21:56.08 | DWSR | Codayus: ? |
| 21:59.55 | Codayus | OpenDNS - if you had to guess who they were or what they offered with no knowledge of the company, I think most people would get it wrong. |
| 22:05.19 | Lunessa | Codayus: I did. I had to look them up. |
| 22:05.41 | Thunder_Child | grrr...now i am going to have to pay attention to the lore for ulduar |
| 22:06.31 | kd3 | bites his tongue |
| 22:07.19 | Dagmar | Yeah, I hear that Quizmaster boss is a bitch |
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| 22:11.08 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Roll an Archivist. Problem solved. |
| 22:11.17 | Lunessa | ducks. |
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| 22:19.15 | Thunder_Child | nice try Lunessa, but wonrg game |
| 22:19.22 | Thunder_Child | wrong* |
| 22:19.35 | Lunessa | I know, I know... still, problem solved. |
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| 22:20.39 | Thunder_Child | true |
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| 22:26.50 | Thunder_Child | ~burp |
| 22:26.50 | purl | ACTION burps loudly |
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| 22:26.58 | Cairenn | Shadowed: need this approved? |
| 22:27.08 | Shadowed | I'm not actually sure what category I put it in |
| 22:27.11 | Shadowed | it's not showing up on my list |
| 22:27.13 | Cairenn | test |
| 22:27.14 | Shadowed | it's in the test area? |
| 22:27.16 | Shadowed | yea approve that please |
| 22:27.21 | Cairenn | done |
| 22:27.25 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 22:27.28 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 22:29.24 | Shadowed | goody easy enough |
| 22:29.29 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:30.58 | DWSR | can druids use swords? |
| 22:31.01 | Shadowed | no |
| 22:31.04 | DWSR | k |
| 22:42.26 | Duman | hmm |
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| 22:50.08 | cog|book | hmm... i r forum banned |
| 22:50.31 | mikma | ololo |
| 22:50.38 | cog|book | for a week >< |
| 22:50.55 | mikma | why did that happen then |
| 22:51.02 | mikma | you expressed yourself? |
| 22:51.14 | cog|book | it's because my green post stayed green |
| 22:51.25 | mikma | .. wa? |
| 22:51.26 | cog|book | should've just deleted it entirely |
| 22:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh that |
| 22:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Your former stickey |
| 22:51.39 | cog|book | *nod* |
| 22:51.50 | mikma | you got banned of forum stickey? |
| 22:51.50 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 22:51.56 | mikma | care to explain that a bit more? :I |
| 22:52.57 | cog|book | mikma: imagine this but green: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=96143900 |
| 22:53.10 | cog|book | (the thread in question is deleted) |
| 22:53.43 | mikma | cog|book: rofl! quite evil |
| 22:54.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Evil was not the intent, I don't think |
| 22:54.09 | cog|book | nope |
| 22:54.12 | mikma | i know |
| 22:54.16 | cog|book | but yeah |
| 22:54.16 | mikma | but it still was evil |
| 22:54.26 | mikma | attentiongatherer etc |
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| 22:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, any mplayer gurus in here by chance? |
| 22:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried their regular channel yesterday, totally didn't work |
| 22:57.18 | Dagmar | Maybe |
| 22:57.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying to get this to work nicely on this 1080 TV with terrible, TERRIBLE overscan |
| 22:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to find a way to resize it to 1725x960 and place it at 95,77 |
| 22:58.24 | Dagmar | You're using HDMI instead of DVI output? |
| 22:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm using DVI |
| 22:58.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a 7600 attached via DVI to a 1080i set |
| 22:59.06 | Dagmar | Weird. They don't generally overscan when you treat them as a monitor |
| 22:59.19 | Dagmar | You've got X doing the native resolution for the display, I take it? |
| 22:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I've searched the menus on the TV, nothing |
| 22:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I do |
| 22:59.38 | Dagmar | Wait, that's an nvidia card? |
| 22:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 23:00.07 | Dagmar | You will *probably* be able to adjust the overscan globally with the nvidia-settings utility |
| 23:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Poked with that |
| 23:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't in there |
| 23:00.29 | Dagmar | This sort of thing comes up occasionally with MythTV, but generally digital displays using DVI assume they shouldn't overscan |
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| 23:01.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a very cheap TV, for the size of it |
| 23:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It can do 1080i and 480i/p |
| 23:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | But not 720p or 720i |
| 23:01.47 | Dagmar | Well, I got a "cheap" Dynex at Best Buy, but it does 1366x768 without a hiccup |
| 23:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I should add that this TV overscans no matter what resolution I put it at |
| 23:02.26 | Dagmar | Yeah it just shouldn't |
| 23:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | -vf scale=1725:960:1,expand=1920:1080:95:77 is what I'm poking with |
| 23:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Which in theory should scale it to the proper size, and then place it at the proper location on the TV |
| 23:06.13 | Dagmar | Yeah it should |
| 23:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't! |
| 23:06.43 | Dagmar | What model TV is it? |
| 23:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 23:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | WS-55315 |
| 23:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Mitsubishi |
| 23:08.07 | cog|book | heh... i went straight from perfect record to final warning >< |
| 23:08.09 | Shirik | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception |
| 23:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ cog |
| 23:09.37 | Dagmar | Ah a rear-projection TV |
| 23:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah it is terrible |
| 23:11.33 | Legorol | cog|book: lolwut? on the forum? |
| 23:11.41 | cog|book | Legorol: yep |
| 23:11.45 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: So, at least you can use a modeline |
| 23:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Tried |
| 23:11.58 | Cairenn | cog|book: what huh? |
| 23:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | xorg rejected it |
| 23:12.17 | Cairenn | (2009-04-02 19:08:08) cog|book: heh... i went straight from perfect record to final warning >< <-- huh? |
| 23:12.30 | Legorol | cog|book's been a bad boy it seems |
| 23:12.40 | cog|book | Cairenn: scroll up to 18:50 |
| 23:12.56 | Legorol | cog|book: in which timezone? east or pacific? (so that i can translate to local time) |
| 23:13.16 | kd3 | 18:50 pacific hasn't happened yet |
| 23:13.18 | cog|book | Legorol: in wahtever timezone cairenn just pasted |
| 23:13.26 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Do you happen to have that xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log file still? |
| 23:13.35 | Cairenn | saw it |
| 23:13.41 | Cairenn | temp ban though, yes? |
| 23:13.47 | cog|book | temp but final |
| 23:13.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: no, but I could re-generate the modeline and try again |
| 23:14.10 | Cairenn | and because of that particular post? |
| 23:14.14 | cog|book | yep |
| 23:14.17 | Legorol | cog|book: smart, i can convert from that |
| 23:14.20 | Dagmar | Do it. Hopefully I'll be able to see where things went wrong. |
| 23:14.48 | Cairenn | dumb - not your fault it stayed green, you had given up your MVP |
| 23:15.20 | Legorol | so how did it get ungreened? |
| 23:15.25 | Legorol | it's not showing green for me |
| 23:15.37 | kd3 | the post in question got deleted. that's an older thread |
| 23:16.20 | Cairenn | comforts cog|book |
| 23:16.23 | Shefki | Yeah that's pretty much bull. |
| 23:16.38 | Legorol | I r confused. Was there more than one thread where cog was the OP, one in white and one in green? |
| 23:16.43 | Shefki | Next thing they're gonna send someone to piss in our flower beds. |
| 23:16.51 | cog|book | http://pastey.net/111539-40o2 |
| 23:16.55 | cog|book | Legorol: yeah |
| 23:17.04 | cog|book | thread capped a couple times in the past |
| 23:17.12 | Legorol | ok, then I r not confused |
| 23:17.19 | Legorol | Shefki: that's going a bit too far |
| 23:17.36 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.26 | Shefki | Legorol: I consider a final warning to Cog going too far. |
| 23:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: Modeline "1720x969@61i" 62.87 1720 1752 1984 2016 969 991 997 1019 interlace |
| 23:18.30 | cog|book | Legorol: ironically I had said /me bans himself from the forums earlier today XD |
| 23:18.49 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Come now. I'm sure your xorg.conf has a bit more than that in it |
| 23:18.50 | Legorol | Shefki: I agree. Doesn't mean you need to retaliate with a stupid comment. |
| 23:19.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh ha, hmm |
| 23:19.18 | Shefki | If you consider sarcasm retaliation, may I recommend you never go into politics. |
| 23:19.35 | Legorol | On a different note: I'm happy to see my addon is still working fine on the PTR without any modification. I get to not do any work for this patch either *rubs hands* |
| 23:19.53 | Legorol | Having said that, maybe I should put my longtime plan into action and do the rewrites I was planning. |
| 23:20.07 | Legorol | Then again, if it ain't broke, don't try to fixor it, because it will surely be. Or some such. |
| 23:20.42 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: By the way, http://reviews.cnet.com/projection-tvs/mitsubishi-ws-55315/4514-6484_7-31105448.html seems to believe your TV is progressive scan. |
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| 23:21.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh it totally isn't |
| 23:21.16 | Legorol | Shefki: apologies, sarcasm vs. anger is hard to detect over the intarwebz. |
| 23:21.16 | Shefki | If I really wanted to retaliate I'd run to WoWInsider and point out that they banned Cog and suggest they did it to surpress his opinion... That's retaliation. |
| 23:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | At 480 maybe |
| 23:21.24 | Dagmar | Must be only for the 480 mode |
| 23:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 1080? A standard GUI is painful |
| 23:22.03 | Tuller | they banned cog? :P |
| 23:22.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. One too many "GC YOU SUCK" posts |
| 23:23.06 | Legorol | Can someone give me a random example of an addon that uses the donation overlay on wowi? |
| 23:23.12 | Legorol | any addon will do |
| 23:23.17 | Tuller | sellfish |
| 23:23.36 | Legorol | nvm, found one |
| 23:23.38 | Legorol | thanks though |
| 23:23.47 | Tuller | so cog kept on complaining about the garbage collector? :P |
| 23:24.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: http://pastey.net/111541 |
| 23:24.43 | Shefki | Legorol: I thought the pissing on flower beds was sufficiently ridiculous. |
| 23:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But when I put the modeline in there it whines and reverts the entire config file into nothingness |
| 23:25.29 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Reverts the config file? |
| 23:25.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never seen it before |
| 23:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 23:25.43 | Dagmar | THat shoulnd't happen at all |
| 23:25.44 | Legorol | Shefki: again, I apologise. I mistook it as an immature anger-fuelled comment as opposed to sarcasm. |
| 23:25.59 | Dagmar | Yeah I was about to say "There's no modeline in this" |
| 23:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It turns into this: http://pastey.net/111543 |
| 23:27.34 | Dagmar | Shoot the tool in the face. |
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| 23:27.58 | Dagmar | It's not making modelines correctly at all |
| 23:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Just the http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl |
| 23:29.41 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Thing number one you can shortcut with a TV output is VertRefresh, since it's effectively fixed at 60. No need to give it a range. |
| 23:30.43 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Then you put the modeline in the Monitor section where you define your actual monitor... |
| 23:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | .................. |
| 23:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | This tool was saying the Screen section |
| 23:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case |
| 23:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1725x960_60i+95+77"; removing. |
| 23:32.40 | Dagmar | Nope. In the screen section you just say, Subsection "Display", Depth 24, Modes "1920x1080", EndSubSection |
| 23:33.01 | Dagmar | Like what your'e doing with a modeline is kind of cheating overscan |
| 23:33.21 | Dagmar | You're making the video card send the part with the pixels in a smaller "area" of the signal itself |
| 23:33.34 | Dagmar | You don't have to actually try to use some bizarre-o resolution |
| 23:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | So where should I put this? |
| 23:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | In the Monitor section, it has no effect |
| 23:34.28 | Dagmar | Well, here's a similar example xorg.conf in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=395101 |
| 23:34.39 | Dagmar | I'm gonna look on the MythTV wiki for a simpler one |
| 23:35.09 | Dagmar | ...although here's an even simpler example it's still got some crazy-crazy in it: http://math.umh.ac.be/an/D820/xorg.nvidia.conf |
| 23:35.17 | kd3 | hm... the party thread got unstickied |
| 23:35.53 | Dagmar | LOL |
| 23:35.57 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database#Mitsubishi_WS-55513 |
| 23:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh holy crap |
| 23:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | You sir |
| 23:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 23:36.17 | kd3 | eesh |
| 23:36.21 | Dagmar | I told you we see those issues kinda often |
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| 23:36.36 | Dagmar | Usually just going DVI fixes it but I know there's a lot of people who've had to use Modelines |
| 23:38.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Totally didn't fix it |
| 23:38.43 | Dagmar | Can you pastebin your current xorg.conf? |
| 23:38.51 | Dagmar | i.e., what you just tried? |
| 23:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/111545 |
| 23:40.21 | Dagmar | There's nothing forcibly tying the modeline to the display |
| 23:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | This gets tiring |
| 23:42.35 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Unless I'm horribly overlooking something, http://pastey.net/111547 should work, although if there's a "weird math" thing going on you can likely just leave the VertRefresh change alone |
| 23:42.56 | Dagmar | X should either "do it's thing" correctly there, or carp about why it can't |
| 23:43.37 | Dagmar | Basically, on it's own X now comes up with a table of what modes and resolutions are available by talking to the video card and the display (through EDID when available) |
| 23:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | hmmk |
| 23:43.51 | Dagmar | It'll pick what it considers "best", but you used ot have to tell it _everything_ |
| 23:44.12 | Dagmar | Now when you tell it something explicit, like that modes statement, it'll override it's auto-selection |
| 23:44.25 | Dagmar | It'll think it's just got the one mode that's valid for that display at that display depth |
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| 23:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "in1080i"; removing. |
| 23:44.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yey |
| 23:45.06 | Dagmar | Okay, so on a lark, comment out the Horiz and Vert refresh settings |
| 23:45.10 | Dagmar | It should be able to get those over DVI |
| 23:45.49 | Dagmar | The HorizSync bit looks kinda questionable to me |
| 23:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 23:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Still no luck |
| 23:46.17 | Dagmar | Okay, so let's see what's in the Xorg.0.log then |
| 23:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "in1080i"; removing. |
| 23:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to validate any modes; falling back to the default mode |
| 23:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And that is all |
| 23:47.06 | Dagmar | Just two lines? |
| 23:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | well it is a fair bit longer than that, but that's the relevant bits |
| 23:48.48 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 23:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | oh well |
| 23:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll figure out mplayer eventually :P |
| 23:49.10 | Dagmar | Change the in1080i to say 1920x1080 and see what happens |
| 23:49.27 | Dagmar | There's some rules to the naming of Modelines I simply odn't know |
| 23:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, evil |
| 23:49.36 | Dagmar | ...and I don't always count on what's being put in that wkki to be entirely sane |
| 23:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 23:50.09 | Dagmar | ...and there's always the Gentoo approach to be tried |
| 23:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | er? |
| 23:50.27 | DWSR | COMPILE IT FROM SOURCES! |
| 23:50.29 | Dagmar | That wiki page has several bits that define this crazy set of flags for ModeValidation like "AllowNon60HzDFPModes,NoEdidMaxPClkCheck,... which might work |
| 23:50.51 | Dagmar | DWSR: Actually I was referring to the ricer habit of grabbing every little config option from everywhere and throwing them in all together |
| 23:50.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: Oh, that one. |
| 23:51.09 | DWSR | yeah |
| 23:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 23:51.53 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: the log file may *seem* like it's only saying two lines of relevance, but if you actually wade through it you'll see it talk about when it queried the card for what rates it supports, if it could query the display and how it goes about ruling out all the modes it doesn't like |
| 23:52.12 | Dagmar | Generally digging through that is the quickest way to overcome it's objections |
| 23:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | There are quite a few lines saying that it is in fact a terrible TV |
| 23:52.27 | Dagmar | Oh yeah |
| 23:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (WW) NVIDIA(0): The EDID for Mitsubishi MEUSPTV1 (DFP-0) contradicts itself: |
| 23:52.39 | Dagmar | 16:9 displays with overscan piss people off, to be sure. |
| 23:52.40 | kd3 | ! |
| 23:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 23:52.59 | Dagmar | Hah so if it's saying screwey EDID stuff you may get to override that as well |
| 23:53.19 | Dagmar | 16:9 displays technically should not be doing overscan |
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| 23:56.02 | Dagmar | This section looks like it could help http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database#ModeValidation |
| 23:56.33 | kd3 | this is why I'm glad my monitors are bigger than my TV. no mussing about with tv-out |
| 23:56.58 | Dagmar | I just dug around online to make sure mine was usable as a monitor before I bought it for the Myth box |
| 23:57.17 | Dagmar | A 55" TV would be worth banging on modelines for tho |
| 23:58.01 | kd3 | yah, unless the tv has bogus info in its edid and requires pain and suffering to get to work |
| 23:58.37 | Dagmar | Well, then you just disable EDID and tell it everything like we had to do ten years ago |
| 23:58.49 | kd3 | cringes again |
| 23:58.53 | kd3 | food, yay |
| 23:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | joins in with the cringing |
| 23:59.03 | Dagmar | I seriously think tho that the low horizontal refresh rate it's being told is mucking everything up |
| 23:59.28 | Legorol | what is "overscan" in noob-english? |
| 23:59.34 | Dagmar | ...and somewhere in the log file it'll usually be saying what other information it gets |
| 23:59.38 | Dagmar | Logorol1: I can show you |
| 23:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/111549 have the log |
| 23:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's with the verbosity cranked |
