| 00:00.09 | Rottenpotato | perfect, thanks |
| 00:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | (DevTools provides /reload, and a keybind for it) |
| 00:00.28 | Rottenpotato | oh, one more question |
| 00:00.32 | Rottenpotato | no one was around 15-20m ago |
| 00:00.56 | Lunessa | chows on chili-chese tots. |
| 00:01.01 | Rottenpotato | does anyone know of a really basic ("concept" even) add-on that i could use as a basis of understanding p2p lua |
| 00:01.05 | Rottenpotato | something like a hold'em game |
| 00:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 00:01.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that sounds tasty |
| 00:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Um |
| 00:01.15 | Rottenpotato | i looked up tetris attack |
| 00:01.27 | Rottenpotato | but it was done by someone like me who is trying something in a new language for the first time |
| 00:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | The concept is simple |
| 00:01.28 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I had a weak moment. |
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| 00:01.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Rottenpotato: can probably find some stuff in a misc/fun category on wowi |
| 00:01.37 | Rottenpotato | alright |
| 00:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You send messages to a person or a group of people, and that is the full extent of 'p2p' |
| 00:02.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 00:02.08 | Rottenpotato | well, i understand the concept |
| 00:02.09 | Exawatt | @Rottenpotato I've been working on something similar. I'm using SendAddonMessage() and watching for the CHAT_MSG_ADDON event. There's really nothing for me to reference, though, so I'm going blind. |
| 00:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | wowwiki SendAddonMessage() and CHAT_MSG_ADDON |
| 00:02.13 | Rottenpotato | i'm talking more syntax |
| 00:02.23 | Rottenpotato | basically, i know 0 lua |
| 00:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that could be a problem then |
| 00:02.42 | Rottenpotato | looking at the wow api was a bit overwhelming |
| 00:02.42 | Exawatt | Then I'd suggest sitting down with the reference manual. :P |
| 00:02.44 | Rottenpotato | yep |
| 00:02.50 | Rottenpotato | heh |
| 00:02.51 | Lunessa | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:02.52 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 00:03.03 | Exawatt | Do you have any experience with any programming languages? |
| 00:03.09 | Rottenpotato | yep |
| 00:03.14 | mikma | ~bible |
| 00:03.14 | purl | bible is probably http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:03.16 | Gnarfoz | is there something along the lines of /console restartgx for sound? |
| 00:03.57 | Rottenpotato | java, vb, powerbuilder, ruby on rails, xml, javascript, xhtml, xml |
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| 00:04.06 | Rottenpotato | i understand the concepts of programming and the flow of logic |
| 00:04.10 | Rottenpotato | it's just the syntax that would be new to me |
| 00:04.25 | Exawatt | http://www.lua.org/pil/ <--Helped me catch Lua syntax pretty quickly. |
| 00:04.32 | Rottenpotato | thanks |
| 00:04.35 | Rottenpotato | (to everyone) |
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| 00:06.00 | mikma | guess who!!! http://fukung.net/v/8906/38481ea98950ca75b894765808e30a62.jpg |
| 00:06.15 | Rottenpotato | incoming multiplayer in-game risk, see you in two months :P |
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| 00:08.05 | bleeter | wut |
| 00:08.11 | bleeter | moar coffee |
| 00:15.14 | Rottenpotato | oh i actually had ONE more question |
| 00:15.20 | Rottenpotato | images imported into game |
| 00:15.38 | Rottenpotato | when i was looking around a couple addons earlier i found they were all... .tcg extention i believe(on a different computer) |
| 00:15.43 | Mr_Rabies | <mikma> guess who!!! |
| 00:15.44 | Rottenpotato | is this a required format? |
| 00:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | toom croos |
| 00:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Rottenpotato: you probably mean tga. I think wow only reads tga and blp, but i could be mistaken. |
| 00:17.22 | Rottenpotato | yes, tga |
| 00:17.58 | Rottenpotato | is the conversion from other formats as simple as using photoshop or paint .net and the like and saving as the tga/blp filetypes? |
| 00:18.32 | Codayus | For tga, sure. It's very widely supported. |
| 00:18.43 | Rottenpotato | perfect, thanks |
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| 00:20.20 | Lunessa | so much hate. |
| 00:20.51 | mikma | mr_rabies: thats the man |
| 00:22.41 | Arrowmaster | Rottenpotato: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15439 |
| 00:27.49 | Rottenpotato | thanks |
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| 00:34.17 | WobWork | huh farewell BRK |
| 00:34.21 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/30/funny-pictures-center-of-the-earth/ |
| 00:34.32 | tekkub | BRK go down the hole? |
| 00:35.15 | WobWork | Back to family |
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| 00:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | reinstalls F10 |
| 00:35.49 | WobWork | wife was not happy, so he's taking an indeterminate break |
| 00:37.11 | Lunessa | Wife was a WoW-Widow? |
| 00:38.13 | WobWork | ayup |
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| 00:39.22 | WobWork | in other news: http://pics.livejournal.com/emyrs/pic/000841kg |
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| 00:40.26 | WobWork | I should totally go for that title at some stage |
| 00:40.29 | WobWork | "Salty Snuusnu" |
| 00:41.23 | Rottenpotato | haha |
| 00:41.30 | Rottenpotato | that |
| 00:41.32 | Rottenpotato | just sounds gross |
| 00:41.39 | Rottenpotato | no one wants salty snusnu :P |
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| 00:43.00 | NeoTron | BRK? |
| 00:43.06 | Lunessa | WobWork: Someone had too much free time, too little brains, and doesn't get enough time in the playground with members of the opposite sex. |
| 00:43.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: bigredkitty, i assume |
| 00:43.47 | WobWork | aye |
| 00:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i also meant NeoTron, doh |
| 00:44.18 | WobWork | Lunessa: That's pretty much the requirement for some of those achievements =P |
| 00:44.55 | Lunessa | WobWork: Hey, I typed it all out, and waited for someone to point out the irony of that coming from /me/. |
| 00:45.04 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: oh doesn't mean anything but ok. :P |
| 00:45.07 | NeoTron | so me that is |
| 00:45.13 | WobWork | we're not cruel like that Lunessa! |
| 00:45.18 | Lunessa | Lies. |
| 00:45.28 | WobWork | Why would we point out the obvious like that =( |
| 00:46.01 | Lunessa | Propaganda! |
| 00:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: see. i'd have pointed it out, if it didn't equally apply to me |
| 00:46.10 | WobWork | NeoTron: BRK was a pretty good beatmaster hunter blogger |
| 00:46.15 | WobWork | er beastmaster |
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| 00:47.53 | durcyn | 'beatmaster' is a lot closer to the hunter playstyle, and i don't mean drums |
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| 00:51.33 | WobWork | I had a fantastic run in VH yesterday as a 73 hunter |
| 00:51.42 | WobWork | 2/3 drops were hunter items =P |
| 00:52.39 | Legorol | all items are hunter items (except plate, but those can be DE-d by a hunter) |
| 00:53.16 | alestane | Same logic applies to maces. |
| 00:53.54 | NeoTron | heh so magicdkp client will autopass on items not usable by the player. should make it accept all items as usuable for hunters :P |
| 00:54.50 | WobWork | I can't use any of it til 75 but hey =) |
| 00:54.54 | WobWork | also, I wish they |
| 00:55.00 | WobWork | 'd fix the heirloom bow bug |
| 00:55.03 | WobWork | =( |
| 00:55.11 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: 3.1 >.> |
| 00:55.25 | WobWork | taps his foot impatiently. |
| 00:55.30 | WobWork | hotfix! |
| 00:55.44 | Legorol | what bug? |
| 00:55.46 | WobWork | by the time 3.1 rolls out, I'll be 80 and won't need it =P |
| 00:55.59 | WobWork | it misapplys the ammo bonus for steadyshot |
| 00:57.34 | WobWork | interestingly enough, I tried a round of heirloom bow compared to a blue (slightly lower level) gun, with similar ammo |
| 00:57.43 | WobWork | The dps of the bow -appeared- higher |
| 00:57.54 | WobWork | but the total damage max went to the gun |
| 00:58.05 | WobWork | I suspect recount has some dodgy dps calculations |
| 00:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that no DPS calculation method is perfect :P |
| 00:58.34 | WobWork | yeah =( |
| 00:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont really believe in a non-dodgy dps-- fuck you ScytheBlade1 :P |
| 00:58.46 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 00:59.03 | WobWork | but unfortunately the steadyshot between the gun and the bow differed by about 500 |
| 00:59.07 | WobWork | damage |
| 00:59.15 | WobWork | or maybe only a few hundred =\ |
| 00:59.49 | WobWork | I should install that addon that removes the sound of the gun |
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| 01:33.31 | Rottenpotato | someone said all dallas vent servers are down? |
| 01:33.32 | Rottenpotato | what happened today |
| 01:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: your camera coom post, you broke the CameraDistanceMax lines |
| 01:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: you put 15 for both, when your extended max should be 50 |
| 01:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: (you also don't need to tweak both the factor and the max, one or the other works great) |
| 01:36.17 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane I shall send my evil DOS drones against you on 01 April! |
| 01:36.23 | Druidicbeast | Anyone able to answer a quick question about oUF ? |
| 01:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~asktoask |
| 01:37.05 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:37.50 | Druidicbeast | Where is a good place to start looking if I wanted to add a border to a frame I made ? |
| 01:39.32 | WobWork | layout.lua |
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| 01:54.59 | Jamash | mmm, sandwich |
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| 02:00.10 | Ackis | any holy priestest here? |
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| 02:04.10 | Shirik | Ackis: Me |
| 02:04.21 | Shirik | The ultimate one |
| 02:04.24 | Shirik | I destroy all |
| 02:05.13 | Iriel | cowers before the might of the deshiriktoyer |
| 02:05.43 | Iriel | Err, deshirikstroyer |
| 02:05.44 | Iriel | even |
| 02:06.09 | Shirik | deshistroyer |
| 02:09.24 | Gnarfoz | my guess is, Fisker- would have something to say about that :< |
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| 02:09.48 | Rottenpotato | fisker = fisker of nick and fisker? |
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| 02:12.43 | Ackis | Shirik: too late I bought my gem already |
| 02:12.53 | Ackis | tekkub: I'm too stupid to use your mod tekcompare :( |
| 02:12.53 | Shirik | which one? |
| 02:13.00 | AbsolutRayne | http://i44.tinypic.com/2qmmcys.jpg Anyone think the AB Buttons are too large in this SS? |
| 02:13.26 | Ackis | I got a royal twilight opal |
| 02:13.58 | Zootfizzle | AbsolutRayne: What's an AB button and where is it? |
| 02:14.14 | AbsolutRayne | Action bar Buttons, Zoot |
| 02:14.16 | AbsolutRayne | <_< |
| 02:14.29 | Shirik | which one's that Ackis |
| 02:14.40 | Ackis | spell power/mp5 |
| 02:14.42 | Zootfizzle | In that case, no :) |
| 02:14.55 | Shirik | bad Ackis |
| 02:15.03 | Zootfizzle | I just call them action buttons so I was confused :D |
| 02:15.05 | Ackis | eh why? |
| 02:15.08 | Shirik | Do what you want, but mp5 is generally bad |
| 02:15.14 | Ackis | Zootfizzle: call them action bar cards! :D |
| 02:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: read up, about 45 minutes ago |
| 02:15.23 | Ackis | Shirik: eh why's mp5 bad again? |
| 02:15.34 | Shirik | Because you gain a lot more out of spirit or int |
| 02:15.38 | Shirik | specifically spirit |
| 02:15.41 | Zootfizzle | Ackis: What do you think this is, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Cards? |
| 02:15.43 | Ackis | spirit is being nerfededed methought? |
| 02:15.46 | Shirik | No |
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| 02:15.51 | Shirik | the 5SR is being nerfed |
| 02:15.56 | Shirik | And ffs I wish people would stop pre-building themselves |
| 02:15.57 | Ackis | Zootfizzle: sheesh no! the wow TCG :P lol |
| 02:16.10 | Shirik | You shouldn't do something just because a patch says it might happen |
| 02:16.13 | Shirik | at least not until you try it yourself |
| 02:16.28 | Ackis | Shirik: I didn't want to waste the money to regem/etc :P |
| 02:16.29 | Shirik | You still have meditation. You still have +SP from spirit. |
| 02:16.42 | Shirik | You still have SoR |
| 02:16.53 | Shirik | (Hopefully all of those are true, at least) |
| 02:17.00 | Ackis | I think they are :P |
| 02:17.16 | kd3 | hm, nothing major changing this ptr build ui, so far at least |
| 02:17.20 | kd3 | keeps skimming his .diff |
| 02:18.14 | Ackis | Shirik: linky to your armory duder pls? |
| 02:18.18 | Shirik | uh |
| 02:18.21 | Shirik | I think I'm in pvp spec |
| 02:18.23 | Shirik | but sure |
| 02:18.37 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: I observed no changed with anything more than 15 and 3.4 for max, and 15/1 is a good normal |
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| 02:19.01 | Shirik | Ackis: This is PvP spec, but wearing PvE gear: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Kimina |
| 02:19.04 | Shirik | So at least you can see my gear |
| 02:19.05 | kd3 | although I still dunno how we're getting to extend our raid lockouts |
| 02:19.07 | Zootfizzle | ScytheBlade1: So I posted what I did for both people who are looking to fix it and people who want it to be further, regardless of what their settings are for either, since it shows up on Google and people who look for help will find it |
| 02:19.09 | kd3 | ponders |
| 02:19.12 | Shirik | but my stats are all jacked up |
| 02:19.34 | Zootfizzle | Otherwise they'll zombie the thread in two years when I'm gone and Zootfizzle 2.0 will have to lock it |
| 02:19.44 | Ackis | just opened up 50 tabs to add people to facebook games heh |
| 02:19.55 | Ackis | wait... 2 years and you're gone? |
| 02:20.09 | Zootfizzle | s/two/n/ |
| 02:20.15 | Ackis | better! |
| 02:20.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Zootfizzle: weird. In any case, *someone* says it didn't work. ;) |
| 02:20.27 | Zootfizzle | I believe you :) |
| 02:20.27 | Thunder_Child | interesting Zootfizzle..... |
| 02:20.35 | kd3 | ponders the ITEM_PUSH event |
| 02:20.56 | Zootfizzle | ponders kd3's ponderance |
| 02:21.06 | Ackis | so I opened up 3 boxes of Blood of Gladiators lastnight/today |
| 02:21.15 | Ackis | I only get about 6 sandbox tigers :( |
| 02:22.14 | kd3 | oh, never mind. it's an old event |
| 02:22.21 | kd3 | goes back to skimming the diff |
| 02:22.33 | Zootfizzle | stops pondering... |
| 02:22.48 | kd3 | "Fired when an item is pushed onto the "inventory-stack". For instance when you manufacture something with your trade skills or picks something up. " |
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| 02:23.12 | Ackis | Shirik: I'm still loading the armory hahah |
| 02:24.02 | Zootfizzle | kd3: into your inventory would be a better description |
| 02:26.01 | Ackis | anyone look at that arthas book advertised on the wow launcher? |
| 02:26.20 | Ackis | is ADDing today |
| 02:26.44 | kd3 | comes out in a few weeks iirc |
| 02:27.04 | Ackis | aye, signed collectors copy or something on the site |
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| 02:28.37 | Ackis | I hope it'll hold up the couch just as good as wowprogramming! :D |
| 02:28.55 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:29.32 | Exawatt | Signed by Arthas himself? |
| 02:30.01 | Ackis | Zootfizzle: forgive me if this is too "personal" of a question, but do you know anyone on staff who plays a troll priest, and if so, are they weird IRL? |
| 02:30.11 | Zootfizzle | Ackis: That hurts |
| 02:30.16 | Ackis | :( |
| 02:30.23 | Ackis | i'm a troll priest |
| 02:30.33 | Ackis | and all the others i've seen, not that there are many are weird just like me! |
| 02:30.40 | Zootfizzle | high-fives Ackis |
| 02:31.19 | Zootfizzle | I don't know anyone on staff who plays a troll priest and is weirder than anyone else on staff :) |
| 02:31.47 | Ackis | lol fair enough |
| 02:32.01 | tekkub | Ackis: the radio was just telling me they've got a cure for stupid |
| 02:32.05 | Ackis | ~Zootfizzle++ |
| 02:32.05 | tekkub | they call it "books" |
| 02:32.13 | Ackis | tekkub: tell me how to use your mod please |
| 02:32.21 | tekkub | install it, all done |
| 02:32.31 | Ackis | I don't get how it compares rings/trinkets |
| 02:32.36 | Ackis | it confuses me :( |
| 02:32.59 | tekkub | dude it's just the default UI's compare, minus the modifier key |
| 02:33.31 | Zootfizzle | :( |
| 02:33.35 | Ackis | oh wait, it's rating buster that shows the numbers then eh? |
| 02:33.40 | Iriel | tekkub: I've heard tell of these "books" - they say they're the devil's work |
| 02:33.56 | Ackis | Iriel: they hold up couches eh |
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| 02:35.01 | Iriel | Ackis: Isn't that what phone directories are for? |
| 02:35.12 | Thunder_Child | " * Psychic Horror now makes the target drop its main hand and ranged weapons for 10 sec. (Old - All Weapons)" odd change |
| 02:35.31 | Ackis | Iriel: not as fun as wowprogramming books! :D |
| 02:35.46 | kd3 | iriel; http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/9/ |
| 02:36.06 | Shirik | Zootfizzle: Of course, if you were really cool, you'd be a BE priest |
| 02:36.45 | Zootfizzle | Shirik: What makes you think I don't have a BE priest? |
| 02:37.03 | Shirik | Oh I took your statement as implying that you're a troll priest |
| 02:37.07 | Shirik | or that you have one |
| 02:37.18 | Zootfizzle | It was meant to, my troll priest is level 4 and has a name that makes fun of troll priests |
| 02:37.23 | Ackis | :( |
| 02:37.49 | kd3 | Is it 'trollpriest', like the 'trollrogue's that appeared on every server in dalaran during the last holiday? |
| 02:38.00 | Zootfizzle | No, it's a play on "yruatroll" |
| 02:38.36 | tekkub | oh I need to make a troll named Forum |
| 02:38.59 | Ackis | tekkub: become a green on the forums and unban me kthx? |
| 02:39.24 | tekkub | there's no way in hell they'd ever green me, would they Zootfizzle? |
| 02:40.25 | kd3 | !! "Not News: Husband tires of mother-in-law's nagging. News: He tries to kill her. Fark: With an anti-tank missile [Amusing]" |
| 02:41.42 | Ackis | Shirik: is there a compare toon feature on the armory for gear/etc? |
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| 02:42.18 | Zootfizzle | tekkub: Hmm |
| 02:42.25 | cog|away | hmm... there's sprockets in my chat log... |
| 02:42.34 | tekkub | dont hurt yourself |
| 02:42.44 | tekkub | the answer should be pretty damn obvious |
| 02:42.54 | cogwheel | HELL GNOMES 4 LIFE! ERR... DEATH!! |
| 02:43.06 | Ackis | Shirik: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azgalor&n=Ackis <-- why not that meta gem btw for you? |
| 02:43.10 | Ackis | licks cogwheel |
| 02:43.11 | Zootfizzle | fo sho |
| 02:44.12 | kd3 | oh wow. was wondering when this was going to happen... fark: 'Idiot pirates off coast of Somalia try to board NATO warship sent there to combat piracy [Fail]' |
| 02:44.29 | Shirik | Why would I want that gem Ackis? |
| 02:44.39 | Ackis | increases crit? |
| 02:44.41 | Shirik | I hate MP5 and I already overheal like hell |
| 02:44.43 | Shirik | no, that's not what it does |
| 02:44.48 | Ackis | well crit effect |
| 02:44.50 | Shirik | it increases the bonus healing from a critical effect |
| 02:44.59 | Shirik | I don't care about the amount of healing I do from crits, I care that they /are/ crits |
| 02:46.30 | Ackis | meh I hate gear :( |
| 02:46.42 | Ackis | LRLRUDUPABAB select start |
| 02:46.45 | Stanzilla | Ackis: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Zirkel+des+Cenarius&n=Arc%C3%A1dia |
| 02:46.52 | Thunder_Child | contra? |
| 02:47.00 | Gnarfoz | "Probotector" lawl |
| 02:47.05 | Gnarfoz | also, yes, that's the Konami Code |
| 02:47.31 | Shirik | Ackis: It doesn't really help that our gear sucks |
| 02:47.37 | Ackis | i was trying to activate god mode in wow :( |
| 02:47.42 | Ackis | Shirik: sucks? |
| 02:47.54 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:50.56 | Stanzilla | Ackis: comments? :P |
| 02:51.20 | Ackis | dude i'm so confused |
| 02:51.25 | Ackis | i'm just gonna get str/agi |
| 02:51.46 | Legorol | str/agi? |
| 02:51.53 | Legorol | not sure there's a class atm that wants that combination |
| 02:51.59 | Ackis | priests! |
| 02:52.03 | Legorol | :) |
| 02:52.21 | Arrowmaster | Ackis, Gnarfoz: is not, its âââââââââ·â¶ |
| 02:52.39 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: took too long for that to be funny now |
| 02:52.40 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 02:52.51 | Arrowmaster | im watching Castle |
| 02:53.14 | Thunder_Child | Frank? |
| 02:53.27 | Rottenpotato | if i'm cropping images right now, should i be leaving them with a white background? how does transparancy and whatnot fit in with frames and such later on |
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| 02:53.55 | Exawatt | It doesn't. You can only use TARGA or BLP files. |
| 02:54.03 | Rottenpotato | right |
| 02:54.13 | Rottenpotato | i'm reformatting them as tga as we speak |
| 02:54.17 | Exawatt | Which don't use transparency. It's all handled through the alpha channel. |
| 02:54.21 | Rottenpotato | hrm |
| 02:54.27 | Rottenpotato | let me reform my question |
| 02:54.37 | Rottenpotato | i shouldn't have let the word 'transparancy' out |
| 02:54.43 | Tem | Staring down sarth between pulls because we have to wait on heroism is fucking dumb |
| 02:55.15 | Rottenpotato | i have jpgs, i'm forming them into tgas and meanwhile fancying them up, cutting out what isn't necessary - the background is white |
| 02:55.22 | Rottenpotato | should i be just erasing the background entirely |
| 02:55.22 | kd3 | what is it in 3.1? 10 minute debuff, 5-minute CD? |
| 02:55.45 | Rottenpotato | not used to playing with ^2 images |
| 02:56.18 | Zootfizzle | Rottenpotato: You need to make an alpha channel for your targa if it has a background you want to get rid of, and the way it works it doesn't matter what is in the part you want to get rid of if you want to get rid of it all the way |
| 02:56.28 | Exawatt | I'm still not sure what you mean. "Erase the background entirely?" |
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| 02:56.53 | Arrowmaster | Rottenpotato: i linked you a guide on how to make textures for wow |
| 02:56.57 | Exawatt | ^^ Alpha channel hides whatever is underneath. Color could be anything (#000000 to #FFFFFF) |
| 02:56.58 | Rottenpotato | yea i know |
| 02:56.59 | Rottenpotato | i'm reading it |
| 02:57.07 | Rottenpotato | just had a question in between |
| 02:57.13 | Zootfizzle | You're not allowed to ask questions, you have to read it all and understand it the first time |
| 02:57.22 | Zootfizzle | Otherwise you get fewer points! |
| 02:57.26 | Rottenpotato | :( |
| 02:57.34 | cogwheel | ~lart Zootfizzle |
| 02:57.34 | purl | overclocks Zootfizzle until Zootfizzle burns out |
| 02:57.35 | Zootfizzle | takes away math.pi points from Rottenpotato |
| 02:57.38 | Rottenpotato | exa - what if it's not all one colour |
| 02:57.41 | cogwheel | PI! |
| 02:57.43 | cogwheel | zomg |
| 02:57.47 | cogwheel | i forgot to memorize more pi |
| 02:57.50 | cogwheel | for pi day |
| 02:57.54 | cogwheel | qq |
| 02:57.58 | Zootfizzle | pp |
| 02:58.09 | Rottenpotato | you know what, i'll crop them like thisf or now |
| 02:58.12 | Rottenpotato | and i'll worry about it later |
| 02:58.15 | Rottenpotato | when i run into codinga nd whatnot |
| 02:58.26 | Zootfizzle | That's a really good idea |
| 02:58.38 | Zootfizzle | If you make your program display what you have now, you can finish the cropping part later |
| 02:58.56 | Rottenpotato | i haven't started coding -at all- :P |
| 02:58.59 | Zootfizzle | If you show it to us when it's working with the image you need to change, we can help you more easily too |
| 02:59.04 | Rottenpotato | nod |
| 02:59.13 | Rottenpotato | it'll be a while |
| 02:59.17 | Rottenpotato | a project in between school projects |
| 02:59.23 | Rottenpotato | goooooooood funnnnnn |
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| 02:59.34 | Zootfizzle | Cool! |
| 02:59.49 | Exawatt | Yeah, I'm in the same boat, Rottenpotato. |
| 03:00.15 | Rottenpotato | heh |
| 03:00.17 | Rottenpotato | what you working on? |
| 03:00.38 | Exawatt | http://www.gamingsanctum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=35 |
| 03:00.56 | Zootfizzle | Rottenpotato: Even if it's more than one color, the alpha channel still works. That way you can have any color be transparent to pretty much any degree |
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| 03:01.16 | Rottenpotato | ahhh, fun |
| 03:01.21 | Rottenpotato | yea i just read a bit more on the alpha channel |
| 03:01.25 | Rottenpotato | it makes a little more sense now |
| 03:01.32 | Zootfizzle | Rottenpotato: The data it contains is for black and white. The more black that's in the channel, the more transparent the color underneath that part of the image is |
| 03:01.35 | Rottenpotato | i'm doing a multiplayer risk addon |
| 03:01.57 | Zootfizzle | Cool! |
| 03:02.02 | Rottenpotato | should be fun in the end |
| 03:02.05 | WobWork | hm, can I say, tanking Feugen and Stalagg is the most fun ever =P |
| 03:02.07 | Rottenpotato | inspired by whoever made that tetris attack mod |
| 03:02.08 | End | yay finally! |
| 03:02.13 | WobWork | . o O ("Wheee!") |
| 03:02.14 | End | 25sarth+3 down! |
| 03:02.19 | End | took us long enough |
| 03:02.20 | End | >:( |
| 03:02.21 | WobWork | grats End! |
| 03:02.22 | kd3 | whee, grats |
| 03:02.22 | Zootfizzle | Just don't let my friends play |
| 03:02.24 | Rottenpotato | heh |
| 03:02.30 | Zootfizzle | They'll get angry and quit halfway through the game |
| 03:02.52 | Zootfizzle | Or make rules like "space junk kills armies" and throw your cat at your Risk game |
| 03:02.57 | Exawatt | I could see a Monopoly game leading to a couple /gkick s... |
| 03:02.58 | Zootfizzle | Grats End :) |
| 03:03.19 | Rottenpotato | i want to have saveable games |
| 03:03.21 | WobWork | Zootfizzle: Hm, I could see a whole range of "Throw your cat at ...<x>" games possible |
| 03:03.26 | Rottenpotato | how that's going to work i have no idea |
| 03:03.37 | Rottenpotato | i'll find out later :P |
| 03:03.46 | End | wee |
| 03:05.07 | WobWork | ... |
| 03:05.07 | WobWork | http://www.truck-nuts.com/index.html |
| 03:05.09 | WobWork | ... |
| 03:05.27 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 03:05.35 | Exawatt | A coworker of mine has those. Big chrome ones. |
| 03:05.37 | WobWork | that's what I said |
| 03:06.03 | Jamash | anyone who has one of those should have their actual nuts removed |
| 03:06.13 | Jamash | they have forfeited their right to breed |
| 03:06.25 | cogwheel | Jamash: most of the ones i know already have offspring |
| 03:06.58 | Jamash | why is my addon telling me all my spells are rank 0 |
| 03:07.34 | Jamash | oh, I get it |
| 03:08.02 | Jamash | GetSpellName returns a string for the rank, if I use tonumber on it I get nil |
| 03:08.28 | Jamash | time for some string mangling |
| 03:19.42 | Arrowmaster | haha the news is reporting about a guy getting a ticket for 'OVI on a barstool' |
| 03:19.59 | Arrowmaster | motorized barstool and crashed it while drunk |
| 03:22.06 | Lunessa | Those "truck nuts" are pretty popular around here. |
| 03:22.55 | Arrowmaster | i remember some place was wanting to make those illegal |
| 03:24.29 | Exawatt | Well, I can totally see why... If there was a large penis sticking out the front of a truck (like a rhinoceros), it would raise concern... |
| 03:25.37 | Lunessa | I guess that means we should make dogs wear pants too. |
| 03:25.51 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl, glxgears pulling 22k FPS |
| 03:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | This GPU is amazing |
| 03:26.10 | Lunessa | what did you get sbo? |
| 03:26.31 | ScytheBlade1 | New hardware |
| 03:26.35 | Zootfizzle | I dunno, you kinda have to go out of your way to see a dog's nuts, we want people to stare at trucks that are in front of them |
| 03:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as my OS is concerned, I now have 6GB of RAM, 8 CPUs, and a pretty darn nice GPU |
| 03:27.38 | Zootfizzle | Nice! |
| 03:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Very :) |
| 03:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | 64-bit linux and vista |
| 03:28.07 | WobWork | Lunessa: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25205165-5001021,00.html |
| 03:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 3TB of storage |
| 03:28.09 | Jamash | at the same time? |
| 03:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I could with this CPU |
| 03:28.31 | kd3 | one of the high end i7s? |
| 03:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | low end actually |
| 03:28.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Cheapest of them |
| 03:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But any i7 right now is high end |
| 03:28.53 | Thunder_Child | lowend ~= highend |
| 03:29.00 | Lunessa | Hey, if a bronze life-size statue of Brittney Spears giving birth was art, so is that. |
| 03:29.05 | Thunder_Child | according to what i have read it isnt worth the money |
| 03:29.51 | Thunder_Child | how much ScytheBlade1? |
| 03:30.25 | ScytheBlade1 | About $900 |
| 03:31.21 | Thunder_Child | not reatail i assume |
| 03:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | retail |
| 03:31.43 | Lunessa | I'm out - see you guys tomorrow. |
| 03:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, components |
| 03:31.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Custom built |
| 03:31.53 | Thunder_Child | linky ScytheBlade1? |
| 03:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 03:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I got the parts off of newegg |
| 03:33.02 | Arrowmaster | what mobo did you get? |
| 03:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | cheapest one I could find! |
| 03:33.29 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 03:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll pastey links in a moment |
| 03:33.43 | Arrowmaster | ive heard the sub $200 X58 boards were horible |
| 03:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | This one works pretty well |
| 03:34.18 | Arrowmaster | hopefully your luckier than tomshardware was in their sub $200 X58 review |
| 03:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I had to RMA the first board |
| 03:34.34 | ScytheBlade1 | So no, I'm pretty sure I was not |
| 03:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/111272 |
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| 03:35.22 | Thunder_Child | thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops, forgot a hard drive in there |
| 03:35.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 |
| 03:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol and the PSU |
| 03:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Refresh that pastey |
| 03:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I had 2x 500GB drives already and a case |
| 03:37.27 | kd3 | jesus... the bottom has dropped out of ram prices. 2 gigs for 48 bucks? |
| 03:37.38 | kd3 | oh wait, ddr3 |
| 03:37.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They were $50 each for me |
| 03:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | With a $25 rebate |
| 03:37.51 | ScytheBlade1 | So I got 6GB for $75 |
| 03:37.54 | Aznamir | Umm.. why get 6x1gb memory modules? |
| 03:37.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (tri-channel module) |
| 03:38.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *mobo |
| 03:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Cheap :P |
| 03:38.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Rebates were in my favor |
| 03:38.28 | Shirik | Windows: Are you sure you want to send these 100,001 files to the recycle bin? |
| 03:38.33 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Hm, which glxgears test are you using? |
| 03:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: 'glxgears' - nothing fancy. The Vista dual boot will get 90GB of games copied back to it shortly, that'll be a much more acceptable benchmark. |
| 03:39.29 | Iriel | Oh,so not a vista test |
| 03:39.36 | Iriel | I got my new machine last week too |
| 03:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | No, 64-bit linux |
| 03:39.56 | ScytheBlade1 | My replacement motherboard just got here today |
| 03:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And wow this thing is fast |
| 03:43.53 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i need to get new compontents |
| 03:44.05 | Thunder_Child | but i really really really hate putting it together |
| 03:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: how warm does your stuff run? |
| 03:47.04 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, my CPU is at a toasty 43C |
| 03:47.32 | Iriel | Hm, i dont think I have a temperature monitor installed |
| 03:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: assuming I'm reading the right sensor, mine is ~72C right now |
| 03:47.49 | Aznamir | get http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ |
| 03:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And the top of my case would agree with me |
| 03:49.08 | Iriel | CPU cores: 54/52/56/54 C |
| 03:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got two sensors here, one is saying 36C, one is saying 72C |
| 03:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oddly, the one labeled CPU is saying 36, and the one that is sitting at 72 is labeled as System |
| 03:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence both my question and my confusion |
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| 03:51.42 | Iriel | the top mounted fan has a nice warm (but not HOT) stream of air coming out |
| 03:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, same |
| 03:52.08 | Thunder_Child | L2Cool people |
| 03:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure how much I trust these sensors |
| 03:52.39 | Stew_a | does anyone know if its possible to force a Playermodel:SetCreature call to work, regardless of if the creature is cached or not |
| 03:53.27 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, i use everest |
| 03:56.07 | Thunder_Child | i think for my next computer i am just going to sink it all in deionized water and be done with it |
| 03:56.11 | Iriel | Hm, great, attempting to run nvidia's ntune monitor blue-screened me |
| 03:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, that isn't a good sign :) |
| 03:56.30 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, use Riva TUner |
| 03:56.33 | Thunder_Child | Tuner* |
| 03:56.42 | Thunder_Child | it's know to be better than nvidias thing |
| 03:56.45 | Iriel | I just wanted to see the temperature |
| 03:57.05 | Thunder_Child | in that case i still suggest everest |
| 03:57.46 | Iriel | I shall look for it, as soon as I'm done rebooting |
| 04:03.25 | Iriel | Ok, my GPU's are at about 60 degrees (with the card at about 50) |
| 04:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty normal for a GPU |
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| 04:05.38 | Iriel | Mid 60's when not idle |
| 04:05.47 | kd3 | gah. must unlearn my old password so my fingers will stop typing it |
| 04:09.01 | Thrae | So, today's not April. I heard 3.1 was going to be in April. One more week? |
| 04:09.18 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, there is no ONE day of april |
| 04:09.56 | Thunder_Child | besides, $5 says tomorrows patch is for the april fools joke |
| 04:10.05 | Thrae | Well, all patches in the past have been predominately done on Tuesdays. Today is a Tuesday, and 3.1 seems pretty ready |
| 04:10.18 | Thrae | Well of course tomorrow is April Fools |
| 04:10.29 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, a new build was just pushed to ptr |
| 04:10.34 | Thunder_Child | figure 2 more weeks maybe |
| 04:10.54 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Question is, were there major changes in the build that need extensive testing? |
| 04:11.10 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, major, no. testing, always. |
| 04:11.28 | Thrae | They could rush it out like they've done so many times before ;) |
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| 04:11.48 | Thunder_Child | we know they are trying to get it out before noblegarden |
| 04:11.55 | Thunder_Child | but will push the holiday back if not |
| 04:12.12 | Thrae | Last time I heard "Savage Defense" for Feral Druids wasn't even active. That WOULD be a major change in my opinion, as that is a major change to the tanking dynamics. |
| 04:12.22 | Zootfizzle | We almost always wouldn't release a patch to the PTR right before we patched the live game because releasing a patch to the PTR takes a lot of work |
| 04:12.43 | Zootfizzle | That's why it takes a while :P |
| 04:13.04 | Thrae | Well a week isn't right before, and I've seen PTR get a patch one week before it goes Live |
| 04:13.09 | Thunder_Child | well thats not on the newest patch Thrae |
| 04:13.23 | Thrae | I'm just getting my hopes up for no reason since I want "Savage Defense" |
| 04:13.40 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Well considering it was on an earlier patch but didn't actually work, maybe they just didn't list it |
| 04:18.48 | Thunder_Child | i dont get their thinking, anyone who is going to drop $400 on a mobo is not going to be using the onboard sound |
| 04:19.09 | tekkub | maybe they can't afford a card after that? |
| 04:19.33 | Thunder_Child | i thought of that....but i kind of find it doubtfull |
| 04:20.03 | Thunder_Child | if you have the need to overclock everything for the best gaming experiance you will prolly want the best sound as well |
| 04:20.44 | Iriel | Some of the onboard sound implementations are reasonably solid |
| 04:20.50 | kd3 | ^ |
| 04:21.01 | Thunder_Child | i'm not saying it's bad at all |
| 04:21.07 | Thunder_Child | i'm saying it's not the best |
| 04:21.30 | Zootfizzle | Most sound programmers I know wish people wouldn't buy sound cards |
| 04:21.32 | Thunder_Child | and $400 is best of the best for mobo's atm |
| 04:21.43 | Arrowmaster | whats the 'best'? |
| 04:21.57 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 1 best |
| 04:22.03 | Arrowmaster | because its sure as hell isnt anything made by creative |
| 04:22.07 | Zootfizzle | ^^^ |
| 04:22.26 | Arrowmaster | onboard > creative |
| 04:22.34 | WobWork | sad but true |
| 04:22.41 | Thunder_Child | maybe i got lucky then |
| 04:23.01 | Thrae | Goddammit I hate CompTIA |
| 04:23.58 | Arrowmaster | my nforce2 onboard can encode 5.1 to spdif on the fly, something that creative cards cant even do in vista |
| 04:24.34 | Arrowmaster | unless they finally released new vista drivers |
| 04:27.46 | Fisker- | stop bricking my phone Arrowmaster :( |
| 04:27.57 | Fisker- | it's your/googles fault |
| 04:28.02 | Thunder_Child | uh, why do they onyl have 1 4gb ram stick? |
| 04:28.16 | Thunder_Child | for sale at newegg |
| 04:29.12 | Fisker- | Lieutenants now enjoy long walks on the beach. |
| 04:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, that was REALLY nice of Vista |
| 04:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It went online, submitted my drivers, and noticed that the chipset drivers that shipped with the motherboard were buggy with Vista |
| 04:30.02 | Tem | ASLDASLFKHASDLFKJAHSDFLKSDJF |
| 04:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And then provided me a link to the installer of the fixed version |
| 04:30.11 | Tem | I'm so fucking sick of sarth 3d |
| 04:30.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:30.34 | Tem | I killed it 3 weeks ago |
| 04:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you have a plethora of terrible players in your guild |
| 04:30.44 | Tem | and I'm stuck tanking it for the fail people in the guild who still need it |
| 04:31.11 | Tem | so a night of wipes |
| 04:31.15 | Tem | for some shit I don't needd |
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| 04:31.28 | Tem | all I need for my plagued proto at this point is the lava blows achievement |
| 04:31.33 | Tem | which means I need to die on sarth |
| 04:31.42 | Tem | since I'm sarth tank I can't do that |
| 04:31.57 | Tem | we've had like 20 wipes today |
| 04:32.16 | Tem | and 80% of them I can attribute to 2 things: |
| 04:32.19 | Arrowmaster | our MT got that on our first kill with 25 people (they did like 18 people the week before for the first kill) |
| 04:32.32 | Tem | dps pulling aggro from the fail tank on drakes |
| 04:32.39 | Tem | (not the guy who tanked it for our kill weeks ago) |
| 04:32.58 | Tem | and the second healer dying to stupid shit like void zones and waves because he tunnel visions on the health bars |
| 04:33.17 | Tem | this is for 10 man |
| 04:33.26 | Tem | I actually got lava blows the "hard" way in 25 man |
| 04:33.47 | Tem | but I have gold issues, and I'm stuck wiping to an encounter I don't need to kill |
| 04:33.52 | Shirik | Tem: why do you have to die |
| 04:33.54 | Shirik | do it the hard way |
| 04:33.57 | Shirik | Our tank did |
| 04:34.08 | Shirik | stop sucking |
| 04:34.13 | Tem | Dear Shirik, |
| 04:34.21 | Tem | You have just encountered a Tem in a bad mood. |
| 04:34.24 | Tem | Don't poke the Tem. |
| 04:34.27 | Tem | He might hit you. |
| 04:34.29 | Tem | hard |
| 04:34.40 | Tem | With love, |
| 04:34.41 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Tem |
| 04:34.41 | Tem | Tem |
| 04:34.59 | Syzgyn | Haha, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5077153/Man-foils-bank-robbery-after-assuming-it-was-an-April-Fool.html |
| 04:35.17 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 04:35.17 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:35.24 | Thunder_Child | how is there no ~poke? |
| 04:37.28 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5191058/man-arrested-for-crashing-motorized-barstool-while-intoxicated |
| 04:37.50 | Arrowmaster | that was on the news here earlyer |
| 04:38.33 | Arrowmaster | since it was local |
| 04:38.46 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: but there is |
| 04:39.03 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5190874/ethernet-cable-fashion-show-looks-like-a-data-center-disaster |
| 04:39.19 | Thunder_Child | i feel sorry for thoes women |
| 04:40.02 | Thunder_Child | and the piles of money they got payed |
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| 04:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | *paid |
| 04:50.53 | Fisker- | hates Arrowmaster |
| 04:52.09 | End | lol http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5077153/Man-foils-bank-robbery-after-assuming-it-was-an-April-Fool.html |
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| 04:54.44 | WobWork | that's a lot of zipties |
| 04:55.09 | WobWork | ~prod Tem |
| 04:55.17 | WobWork | hm, what ever happened to the poke? |
| 04:55.46 | WobWork | the "cuts down a small sapling... etc... hilarity ...etc" one |
| 04:56.56 | Shirik | WobWork, you would use ~poke |
| 04:57.01 | Shirik | not ~prod |
| 04:57.02 | End | ~poke WobWork |
| 04:57.13 | WobWork | yes, but Thunder tried it earlier |
| 04:57.13 | End | ~hi |
| 04:57.14 | purl | hello, end |
| 04:57.15 | Shirik | well this assumes purl works |
| 04:57.18 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:57.26 | Shirik | someone baleted :( |
| 04:57.27 | WobWork | so I was trying alternatives in case I'd misremembered it |
| 04:57.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, installing War3TFT |
| 04:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It has a picture of Arthas on the Frozen Throne for the background |
| 04:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I found myself wondering |
| 04:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "Wait a minute, I'm not installing WoW! What is going on here?!" |
| 04:58.12 | WobWork | "Does he want a thermostat?" |
| 04:58.27 | WobWork | >8< Spider pride! |
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| 05:02.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ^ |
| 05:03.07 | Shirik | boy |
| 05:03.11 | Shirik | Let Shiibot do his job |
| 05:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | NOU |
| 05:03.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, that doesn't apply here |
| 05:03.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 05:03.29 | Shirik | It's the only way I have feedback on whether or not he's working correctly |
| 05:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah yeah whatever |
| 05:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 05:05.45 | Fisker- | YOU! |
| 05:05.50 | Fisker- | i hate you Shirik |
| 05:06.53 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, you hate everyone |
| 05:07.36 | tekkub | he doesn't hate me |
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| 05:07.41 | tekkub | but oh do I hate him |
| 05:09.38 | Esamynn | anyone on the PTR |
| 05:09.44 | Esamynn | ? |
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| 05:11.23 | Thunder_Child | lots of people Esamynn |
| 05:11.37 | Esamynn | I need a raid group |
| 05:15.11 | kd3 | sec, logging in now |
| 05:15.21 | Esamynn | thanks kd3 |
| 05:15.26 | kmcguire | Man, I swear. They should have made ASCII escape codes a little more standard.. They got half of them ending with 'm' then the others ending in every other character.. |
| 05:15.44 | Esamynn | lol |
| 05:15.47 | kmcguire | It feels like it is a 30 year old bag. |
| 05:16.11 | Esamynn | oh snap |
| 05:17.04 | AbsolutRayne | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp0pupHZ46Y I realize as I watch this, Im like a super button masher. And my keyboard probably hates me. :( |
| 05:17.24 | kd3 | on brox alliance |
| 05:17.29 | kd3 | ping 'kaydeethree' |
| 05:21.33 | Shirik | pings kd3 |
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| 05:39.01 | Shirik | wtf fatigue |
| 05:39.05 | Shirik | I never actually seen that before |
| 05:39.12 | Shirik | known of its existence sure |
| 05:39.13 | Shirik | but not seen |
| 05:39.14 | Corrodias | you haven't? |
| 05:39.31 | Corrodias | not much into exploring empty coastlines, i take it |
| 05:39.40 | Shirik | not really |
| 05:39.47 | Shirik | And all I was trying to do is complete a quest |
| 05:39.49 | Corrodias | and... the sharks *nightmares* |
| 05:39.50 | Shirik | I took the most direct path |
| 05:39.53 | Shirik | game didn't like that too much |
| 05:40.59 | Corrodias | it usually doesn't. it likes to waste your time. |
| 05:41.16 | msou| | you don't have questhelper? |
| 05:42.22 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:42.28 | Torhal | twitches. |
| 05:42.39 | Syzgyn | aw fucking hell, I have to start doing cooking dailies again? |
| 05:42.50 | WobWork | why? |
| 05:42.52 | msou| | I started playing the game 2 weeks ago |
| 05:43.02 | Syzgyn | Achievement for a chefs hat |
| 05:43.04 | WobWork | msou|: I advise you dump QH |
| 05:43.05 | Syzgyn | which is 100 marks |
| 05:43.11 | WobWork | and just go normally |
| 05:43.16 | kd3 | son of a... |
| 05:43.18 | WobWork | You'll enjoy the content a whole lot more |
| 05:43.24 | Syzgyn | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?achievement=3296 |
| 05:43.25 | WobWork | Geez |
| 05:43.27 | kd3 | puts a sticky note on his monitor |
| 05:43.30 | WobWork | 100 marks? >< |
| 05:43.38 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 05:43.48 | msou| | WobWork: to be truthful I thought about it... I don't know how to use talents etc nor the spells |
| 05:43.49 | Torhal | msou|: If you've never played before, using QuestHelper is not playing. You'll have no idea on the storyline if you just follow what it says. |
| 05:44.01 | msou| | I am just guessing stuff. die a lot too |
| 05:44.08 | WobWork | That's all part of learning =) |
| 05:44.08 | Syzgyn | YEah |
| 05:44.10 | Torhal | It's mostly useful for folks on a second plus character |
| 05:44.16 | msou| | true |
| 05:44.24 | WobWork | QH and the like are for when you don't care about the quests |
| 05:44.26 | WobWork | or learning |
| 05:44.34 | WobWork | and you just want to get to 80 as fast as possible |
| 05:44.49 | msou| | I see |
| 05:44.50 | Torhal | Hmm. Not bad. Made 700 gold grinding Cenarion Circle from Friendly to Exalted. |
| 05:44.51 | WobWork | You'll enjoy yourself more if you just take the time to explore |
| 05:44.53 | Syzgyn | which in your case would make you 80 with no clue as to how to play properly |
| 05:45.19 | msou| | to remove QH all I have todo is delete the qh folder from addons right? |
| 05:45.23 | WobWork | aye |
| 05:45.24 | Torhal | Yup |
| 05:45.35 | WobWork | And don't rush! =) |
| 05:45.44 | msou| | hehe it's what I do now :( |
| 05:46.08 | Syzgyn | what are you playing and what level are you? |
| 05:46.08 | Fisker- | http://www.mommysbestgames.com/ <-haha |
| 05:46.11 | msou| | I mean, in one day leveled to 10. of course cuz of QH and I raqrely even read quests |
| 05:46.12 | Fisker- | that game looks utter shit |
| 05:46.16 | Fisker- | sounds like utter shit |
| 05:46.19 | Fisker- | plays like utter shit |
| 05:46.32 | Fisker- | And he QQ's about not being able to sell it :( |
| 05:47.02 | msou| | WobWork: my main problem I cannot even find quests with QH well, 1 that I am stuck with |
| 05:47.45 | msou| | oh by the way, you're allowed to create 50 chars correct? |
| 05:47.48 | Zootfizzle | msou|: You don't need to finish every quest if you're stuck on one! |
| 05:47.59 | Zootfizzle | Yep |
| 05:48.07 | msou| | Zootfizzle: yeah I think I should abandon some |
| 05:48.24 | Syzgyn | Fisker-: Wait, what's he doing with Microsoft that they're taking 30%? |
| 05:48.25 | WobWork | if they turn grey, they're not worth any experience any more |
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| 05:48.38 | msou| | and if you delete 1 you can create new one instead delete 1 out of 50 you'll have 49 chars or do the char still exist? |
| 05:48.53 | Syzgyn | 50 at once |
| 05:48.58 | Fisker- | Syzgyn releasing a game? |
| 05:49.04 | Fisker- | it's on XBLA |
| 05:49.07 | Syzgyn | Oh |
| 05:49.12 | Syzgyn | I thought it was PC |
| 05:49.16 | msou| | Syzgyn: so once you create 50 you cannot delete a char and start a new one? |
| 05:49.22 | Syzgyn | No |
| 05:49.30 | Syzgyn | You can have 50 chars at once |
| 05:49.35 | Syzgyn | delete one, make another |
| 05:49.42 | schaden | hello, can anyone with a WoW acc send me a "scroll of ressurection" ? |
| 05:49.43 | msou| | Ah ok, thanks |
| 05:49.49 | Fisker- | Sometimes the servers are a bit buggy with regards to the character limit |
| 05:49.49 | WobWork | (so, in reality, yes =P) |
| 05:49.50 | Syzgyn | Though, I doubt most people even get close to that |
| 05:50.05 | WobWork | schaden: details? |
| 05:50.13 | WobWork | US or EU? |
| 05:50.13 | schaden | what do you need? |
| 05:50.14 | msou| | no but I'll create one without the help of QH |
| 05:50.15 | schaden | us |
| 05:50.19 | msou| | Eu here |
| 05:50.23 | WobWork | Your email I think |
| 05:50.33 | schaden | ok, sf-13@live.com |
| 05:51.24 | Syzgyn | Fisker-: Wow that is a pretty ugly looking game |
| 05:51.38 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 05:51.52 | Fisker- | i probably wouldn't have gotten it if it was -$5 |
| 05:52.04 | Fisker- | Unless i could buy it several times |
| 05:52.28 | Syzgyn | I'm with the school of 'if your graphics look like shit, its time to downgrade them till they look really good' |
| 05:54.38 | WobWork | schaden: sent |
| 05:54.47 | schaden | ok, thx |
| 05:55.13 | WobWork | nw |
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| 05:57.14 | msou| | I found out about the mail thing yesterday, very nice thing to do |
| 05:57.26 | msou| | it's like sending to my other char a sword or even money |
| 05:57.42 | msou| | the toughest char I played with is troll/shaman |
| 05:58.22 | msou| | and I see other players shaman and they have some sort of lightning bolt |
| 05:58.27 | msou| | mine is so basic |
| 05:59.46 | msou| | most of you play on US realms if I am not mistaken |
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| 06:01.39 | Thunder_Child | most |
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| 06:09.17 | kd3 | eesh. rpmfusion hasn't updated the nvidia driver since early february. yay for rolling my own rpm |
| 06:09.22 | kd3 | wonder if this'll stop the memleak |
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| 06:17.36 | msou| | so it's possible for me to abandon all quests in A land and go directly to a land I want to go? |
| 06:18.55 | msou| | I think I better explore before I move to orgimmar |
| 06:19.03 | msou| | currently I'm stuck in ghostland |
| 06:23.59 | Zootfizzle | If you're a blood elf it might be better to stay where you're at |
| 06:24.32 | Zootfizzle | That having been said, yes it is possible |
| 06:25.19 | Thunder_Child | portal thingy -> sep |
| 06:25.22 | Thunder_Child | zep* |
| 06:25.29 | msou| | yeah blood elf |
| 06:25.55 | msou| | zeppelin |
| 06:25.58 | msou| | thank you guys |
| 06:28.37 | msou| | I just wished I have played the game eralier |
| 06:28.51 | msou| | it's been three years now |
| 06:29.16 | msou| | <== FPS guy |
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| 06:40.08 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/30/funny-pictures-tollbooth-kitteh/ |
| 06:43.52 | msou| | By the way, is it possible to send mail from server a to b? |
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| 06:44.25 | zenzio | no |
| 06:48.09 | msou| | bugger |
| 06:51.09 | Nitra | Send item to char1 on server a, paid charcter transfer char1 to server b, make char1 mail to apropriate character |
| 06:51.54 | Torhal | msou|: You'll be fine. Doesn't matter when you started. If anything, you don't have to put up with as much needless grind as people who started before you. |
| 06:52.21 | Torhal | At any rate, I usually take new toons to Ghostlands to level, as it's far faster and the quests have better rewards. |
| 06:52.48 | Torhal | But that's probably because I've been through all of Kalimdor and don't want to do it again :) |
| 06:53.34 | msou| | hehe |
| 06:54.08 | msou| | I just want to understand the talents part. I think not sure that if I want to cause more damage I should place the points in retribution |
| 06:54.43 | msou| | Not a native speaker... :) |
| 06:54.54 | Zootfizzle | msou|: The game is designed so that it won't hurt you to make mistakes now |
| 06:55.41 | Zootfizzle | You can pick whatever you want and until you get to around level 20 it won't make a big difference, and you can reset your talents later |
| 06:55.47 | Torhal | Zootfizzle: Can't learn without mistakes, anyway. :) |
| 06:55.57 | Zootfizzle | In fact, there's going to be a patch soon which will reset all your talents no matter what you do |
| 06:56.33 | Zootfizzle | Torhal: Nope :) |
| 06:56.35 | msou| | oh |
| 06:56.45 | Vonhinten | Any word on if noblegarden is getting pushed, or if it's being released early? |
| 06:56.59 | msou| | you're absolutely right |
| 06:57.35 | Zootfizzle | Now when you're just starting and low level is the best time to try all of these things out on enemies too |
| 06:57.36 | msou| | I just didn't understand why the downloader started predownload 3.1.0 patch |
| 06:57.42 | Zootfizzle | 'cause they're easy :) |
| 06:58.14 | Elkano | at least, nobelgarden isn't part of the season meta ^^ |
| 06:58.16 | Zootfizzle | So if you see an enemy you think is ugly, do the world a favor and hit it until it goes away |
| 06:58.34 | msou| | hehe |
| 06:59.06 | Zootfizzle | Noblegarden will be part of the season meta and that's part of why I think we'd push the holiday with the patch, Elkano |
| 06:59.12 | Zootfizzle | Unless they just changed that back |
| 06:59.16 | Zootfizzle | In which case I will be a sad gnome |
| 06:59.19 | Zootfizzle | goes to look |
| 06:59.21 | msou| | bought all games at once, installed the original and was told about blood elf/draenei two days ago once I enter the auth key I'd be able to choose them |
| 06:59.49 | msou| | though once I inserted the BC dvd, it started to d/l the 3.1.0 predownload |
| 07:00.05 | Elkano | msou|, 3.1 preload is most likely the art for Ulduar, which is already finished. They give that out early so the stress to the downloads on patch day isn't that high with millions of users |
| 07:00.24 | msou| | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.30 | msou| | thanks for clearing that out |
| 07:00.49 | Zootfizzle | That and since we use bittorrent to distribute it, the longer we have it out the more effective that methodology is |
| 07:01.27 | Elkano | Zootfizzle, well, I hope they don't add it to the meta or at least push the date... I won't have time to do anything over eastern :/ and I finished all other season stuff since WotLK release :/ |
| 07:01.50 | Vonhinten | speaking of the bittorrent.. why are they gonna let me throttle my upstream |
| 07:01.55 | Zootfizzle | Elkano: I know how you feel, I missed the Christmas achievements altogether |
| 07:01.56 | Vonhinten | why=when |
| 07:02.04 | Torhal | Elkano: I was too busy watching whole TV series and working on addons to get my Elder stuff done. |
| 07:02.29 | msou| | what addons you guys use |
| 07:02.50 | Torhal | Over 200, myself. |
| 07:03.04 | Fisker- | giiiiiiiiiiev account merges |
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| 07:03.08 | Elkano | my addon folder has 242 subfolders ^^ |
| 07:03.13 | msou| | oh, I just use QH and probably will remove it |
| 07:03.19 | Zootfizzle | I couldn't tell you, people would eat me like locusts and Arthas would use my skeleon for evil |
| 07:03.34 | Elkano | never used anything like QH, TG or Carb |
| 07:03.41 | msou| | what race/class you have Zootfizzle |
| 07:03.50 | Vonhinten | except in china Zoot |
| 07:04.05 | msou| | Elkano: try it, it's useful if you want to level up quickly |
| 07:04.08 | Torhal | Elkano: I've used TG on alts just to level them through content I'd already been through. |
| 07:04.13 | Zootfizzle | Vonhinten: In China, Arthas uses my skeleton for evil and none of them are allowed to see it |
| 07:04.33 | Fisker- | rages |
| 07:04.34 | Torhal | Zootfizzle: You managed to grow a new skeleton? |
| 07:04.41 | msou| | Zootfizzle: What race/class you play with? |
| 07:04.59 | Vonhinten | Google China: Tiananman Square. Results: No results found. Did you mean Chairman Mao? |
| 07:05.05 | Zootfizzle | msou|: Gnome everything ;) |
| 07:05.14 | msou| | oh, hehe |
| 07:05.22 | Torhal | Elkano: Ugh. I just enabled list mode on my Interface folder...Addons shows 377 sub-entries. |
| 07:05.31 | Torhal | twitches. |
| 07:05.33 | msou| | I choose to be the bad guy :p and started a new char yesterday as draenei |
| 07:05.48 | Torhal | I'm sure about 30 of those are BigWigs/LittleWigs... |
| 07:06.13 | Torhal | Anywho, time for bed. |
| 07:06.15 | Torhal | Latahs. |
| 07:06.21 | msou| | Sleep tight |
| 07:06.25 | Torhal | Zootfizzle: Gnome everything? How'd you get a healer |
| 07:06.26 | Torhal | ? |
| 07:06.27 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:06.28 | msou| | it's 10:06 where I am at |
| 07:06.38 | msou| | AM |
| 07:06.51 | Torhal | 2:55am here. Way late. |
| 07:07.05 | msou| | oh at that time I'm drooling on my pillow |
| 07:07.05 | Elkano | yeah, Baby/Little/BigWigs adds a bunch of folders ^^ |
| 07:07.21 | Elkano | though I lately disabled a large memory sink: MobSpells ^^ |
| 07:07.29 | Torhal | Ah, and I'm running disembedded, so that's at least another 30. |
| 07:08.08 | Torhal | Anywho...g'night. |
| 07:10.19 | Shirik | Zootfizzle does have a gnome healer |
| 07:10.26 | Shirik | Has bandages |
| 07:10.35 | Shirik | Is why he can never be as good of a healer as me, though |
| 07:10.55 | msou| | you priest/paladin? |
| 07:11.02 | Zootfizzle | I also have special contraptions! |
| 07:11.34 | msou| | Meh, Blood elf/paladin, Draenei/paladin, Troll shaman is what I am not going to continue playing with |
| 07:11.51 | msou| | and night elf rogue |
| 07:12.06 | Fisker- | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 07:12.11 | Fisker- | lazy EU bastards |
| 07:12.17 | Zootfizzle | You should try a gnome mage, msou| |
| 07:12.22 | Fisker- | they probably won't implement battle.net merges before 3.1 |
| 07:12.31 | Zootfizzle | Or maybe a gnome warlock |
| 07:12.42 | zenzio | gnome warrior |
| 07:12.45 | msou| | Zootfizzle: I have a dwarf warrior ;) gnome are way small :p |
| 07:12.49 | zenzio | everyone loves a 2-foot tank |
| 07:13.10 | Zootfizzle | Gnome death knight! |
| 07:13.14 | msou| | so when you say tank you mean warrior? |
| 07:13.31 | msou| | cause ppl speak of dps, tank and one more thing cannot remember |
| 07:13.31 | Zootfizzle | msou|: tank is a job in a group that more than one class can perform |
| 07:13.58 | msou| | I see |
| 07:14.02 | Zootfizzle | It's the job of collecting enemies and making sure they're hitting you and standing in the right spot |
| 07:14.20 | Zootfizzle | Since you get hit and have to live through it, it's called tanking |
| 07:14.30 | msou| | oh |
| 07:14.38 | Zootfizzle | Like a tank |
| 07:14.53 | msou| | so warriors == tanking |
| 07:15.06 | msou| | since they can get hits more than anyone else |
| 07:15.09 | Zootfizzle | Warriors can be really good at it |
| 07:15.13 | Shirik | Gnomes should not be allowed to be tanks |
| 07:15.25 | Shirik | It's so wrong to have a gnome tanking a dragon |
| 07:15.26 | Zootfizzle | Sometimes druids are better, other times it's death knights or paladins |
| 07:15.30 | Shirik | It's like |
| 07:15.30 | Zootfizzle | It depends on the fight |
| 07:15.35 | Shirik | why doesn't the dragon just step on them |
| 07:15.43 | Shirik | problem solved |
| 07:15.45 | msou| | haha |
| 07:15.51 | Zootfizzle | Shirik: Escape artist :P |
| 07:15.59 | Shirik | Yeah, good luck escaping a foot |
| 07:16.09 | msou| | the dwearf is more than enough I suppose for such a purpose :) |
| 07:16.11 | Zootfizzle | If you're small and fast it's easy |
| 07:16.12 | Thunder_Child | why do the achievement icons have stack numbers on then? |
| 07:16.14 | Shirik | Besides, dragons have 4 feet |
| 07:16.19 | Shirik | Escape artist has a cooldown |
| 07:16.22 | krka | ever tried stomping on a fly while being shot at by 24 people? |
| 07:16.31 | Shirik | no krka I can't say I have |
| 07:16.40 | Zootfizzle | Only the version that has to be triggered to counter magic |
| 07:16.54 | Zootfizzle | You're being chronoliteral, Shirik. |
| 07:17.07 | Shirik | I thought we decided it was hyperliteral |
| 07:17.15 | Zootfizzle | No, that's still in the future |
| 07:17.20 | Shirik | ah |
| 07:17.21 | Fisker- | hits Shirik |
| 07:18.04 | Zootfizzle | Thunder_Child: Huh? |
| 07:18.43 | Fisker- | murders Shirik |
| 07:19.36 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker-!n=Zootfizz@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot] by Zootfizzle (Kick!) |
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| 07:19.40 | Fisker- | cuts up Shirik in several pieces and spreads him over the atlantic ocean |
| 07:20.06 | Fisker- | avoid conviction at the trial |
| 07:20.09 | Fisker- | +s |
| 07:20.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b %*!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] by ChanServ |
| 07:20.51 | Zootfizzle | Fisker-: I appreciate your desire to be loathed more than I think you realize, but please, keep the outright murder to a minimum if you can. |
| 07:21.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b %*!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] by ChanServ |
| 07:21.22 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, what? |
| 07:21.25 | Shirik | ohoho |
| 07:21.32 | Shirik | ChanServ ninja mutes Fisker-! |
| 07:21.41 | Shirik | And nobody will ever know who did it |
| 07:21.42 | Fisker- | you fail Shirik |
| 07:21.45 | Fisker- | [09:20:45] -ChanServ- You have been quieted on #wowuidev by Shirik |
| 07:21.50 | Shirik | ah wtf |
| 07:21.54 | Fisker- | i guess noone will know |
| 07:21.57 | Shirik | FU CHANSERV I TOLD YOU THAT IN CONFIDENCE |
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| 07:22.11 | Fisker- | me an ChanServ are pretty close |
| 07:22.25 | Elkano | oh no, Fisker- is in a GMT+1 timezone with DST in effect... *runs around screaming* |
| 07:22.44 | Zootfizzle | You asked about stack numbers on achievement icons |
| 07:23.05 | Zootfizzle | I don't get what you mean and I'm curious because that sounds wrong |
| 07:23.37 | Fisker- | anyways Shirik |
| 07:23.49 | Fisker- | i heard rumors on the internets that you know stuff about GetVersionEx() |
| 07:24.02 | Elkano | btw: could someone get Blizzard to fire MINIMAP_UPDATE_TRACKING when switching out of cat form loosing track humanoids? |
| 07:24.12 | Shirik | GetVersionExEx() actually |
| 07:24.23 | Fisker- | oh nevermind then! |
| 07:25.55 | msou| | will a paladin have the ability to portal whereever he is or there is a certain place on every land? |
| 07:26.00 | Zootfizzle | Elkano: I'll talk to the appropriate person about it but it won't happen for 3.1 |
| 07:26.30 | Fisker- | Only thing people need is a "Why so srs?" emote |
| 07:26.36 | Fisker- | Complete with clownface and scars |
| 07:26.45 | Thunder_Child | prods Zootfizzle |
| 07:26.50 | Zootfizzle | msou|: The only class that can really portal from one place to other specific places at will by themselves are mages |
| 07:27.11 | Zootfizzle | Thunder_Child, I answered you four minutes ago, don't prod me |
| 07:27.23 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, ah yes |
| 07:28.06 | Elkano | Zootfizzle, that's something that is bugged since 3.0 or maybe even longer ^^ it even bugs their default UI |
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| 07:28.36 | Fisker- | 3.1 is out on april 14th |
| 07:28.43 | Thunder_Child | i wasnt sure if it is an addon or not |
| 07:28.44 | Fisker- | can't do ui updates before that! |
| 07:28.47 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 07:29.01 | msou| | Zootfizzle: thanks |
| 07:29.35 | Fisker- | If 3.1 isn't out by April 14th i'll donate my life savings |
| 07:29.45 | Fisker- | But if it's out on April 14th i get your life savings |
| 07:30.11 | Fisker- | has a sly smile on his face |
| 07:34.53 | Elkano | hmm... I just noticed why Zootfizzle's name looked familiar to me... *walks towards the edge of the room to stand there a bit in shame* |
| 07:35.09 | Thunder_Child | ~shame Elkano |
| 07:35.14 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 07:35.30 | Thunder_Child | speaking of which, you get that link Zootfizzle? |
| 07:36.36 | Torhal | Elkano: Did you just /facepalm? |
| 07:38.12 | Zootfizzle | That's the addon you're running, Thunder_Child. 10 is the number of points you would get for the achievement |
| 07:38.36 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle, i dont have an addon that does that afaik |
| 07:38.58 | Zootfizzle | Something's giving you that tooltip |
| 07:39.24 | Zootfizzle | It's not the default one, I promise |
| 07:39.37 | Thunder_Child | i thought Elkano said it was as well |
| 07:40.39 | Elkano | what did I say? |
| 07:40.45 | Zootfizzle | is confused by that as well |
| 07:40.52 | Thunder_Child | " Elkano: Zootfizzle, that's something that is bugged since 3.0 or maybe even longer ^^ it even bugs their default UI" |
| 07:41.02 | Thunder_Child | was that about something else? |
| 07:41.19 | Elkano | that was about MINIMAP_UPDATE_TRACKING not firing when leaving cat form |
| 07:41.23 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 07:44.13 | Thunder_Child | is there still a difference on repair costs between plate and cloth? |
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| 07:45.34 | Thunder_Child | anyone? |
| 07:47.07 | Elkano | I think so, yes |
| 07:47.57 | Elkano | I think our paly costs about 100g to fully repair where my dr00d only takes about 70g, both full epic |
| 07:48.03 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i thought they were going to increase the multiplier |
| 07:48.09 | Thunder_Child | per point |
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| 07:58.57 | nevcairiel | GetActionInfo in the secure env = love |
| 07:59.56 | jnwhiteh | your mom is in the secure env |
| 08:00.02 | jnwhiteh | i mean hai! |
| 08:00.07 | Zootfizzle | She is when you're around |
| 08:00.23 | Zootfizzle | :P |
| 08:00.25 | jnwhiteh | ooh.. burn! |
| 08:00.36 | Zootfizzle | It was more like a heat shield |
| 08:00.39 | jnwhiteh | yawns |
| 08:00.41 | Zootfizzle | Ablative |
| 08:00.48 | Zootfizzle | stuffs socks in his mouth |
| 08:02.00 | Kalroth | poor socks |
| 08:02.48 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: only one more day.... :P |
| 08:02.58 | nevcairiel | shh! |
| 08:03.48 | Thunder_Child | ya Maldivia, shhh |
| 08:04.35 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone played much with the calendar on the PTR? |
| 08:06.09 | Maldivia | lately, on live, I've had some issued where the calendar would bug out due to "empty" entries (classfilename would return "", which would cause a NPE) |
| 08:09.38 | Maldivia | just wanted to know if anyone knew if it was still an issue on PTR (don't really know what's causing it, but figured it could be chars that no longer exists (deleted/moved)) |
| 08:16.30 | Maldivia | ... guess not |
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| 08:20.33 | nevcairiel | I didn't really have a reason to use the calendar on the ptr |
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| 08:22.16 | Maldivia | well, it could be someone had been playing with new calendar features (if there are any :) |
| 08:24.29 | zenzio | this CSS guy is weird... "setting margins gives me a feeling of power" |
| 08:25.27 | Elkano | hmm... and how does he feel about padding? |
| 08:25.41 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dehXioMIKg0 <-- Very cool kinetic sculptures |
| 08:25.51 | zenzio | Elkano: he didn't specify |
| 08:26.21 | Elkano | Maldivia, hat that bug with classcolors, too |
| 08:30.12 | Maldivia | Wobin: wow |
| 08:31.21 | Wobin | So. Where does one download the PTR again? |
| 08:31.48 | Elkano | wow-europe.com/ptr ? |
| 08:33.14 | Thunder_Child | why that addy? why not www.worldofwarcraft.co.uk? |
| 08:33.17 | Maldivia | Elkano: well, I was just kind of surprised to get an empty reply from CalendarEventGetInvite |
| 08:34.09 | Maldivia | (empty as in somethnig like: "", "", "", "", false) |
| 08:34.11 | Thunder_Child | huh..it routes |
| 08:42.44 | Zootfizzle | Maldivia: I know what you're talking about, I've had it happen to me on live. I'm almost certain it has to do with bad data from copied events |
| 08:43.47 | Zootfizzle | We might have fixed it for 3.1 in some way, but I'm not sure. I'll look into it! |
| 08:50.04 | Fisker- | snorts |
| 08:50.30 | Fisker- | makes fun of Blizzard Entertainment S.A.S. :( |
| 08:51.04 | zenzio | S.O.S. lulz! |
| 08:51.48 | tekkub | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CockBullWebcomic/~3/c_V9PJAESP4/ |
| 08:51.50 | tekkub | hehe |
| 08:51.50 | Fisker- | Yeah you probably didn't know Blizzard is in her majesty's service eh? |
| 08:52.15 | Fisker- | i'm disappointed |
| 08:52.30 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: because wow-europe serves "languages" and "regions", not countries. |
| 08:52.32 | zenzio | Fisker-: "All right chaps, whip out your Orbs of Deception, we've got hostiles around the bend" |
| 08:52.43 | jnwhiteh | deDE servers are german speaking, not "German" |
| 08:52.48 | Maldivia | Zootfizzle: ahh, ok :9 |
| 08:54.17 | Maldivia | Zootfizzle: personally just made a wrapper function, that replaced classFileName with "WARRIOR" if it was empty, then at least I didn't get lua errors when using the affected events :P |
| 08:54.28 | Fisker- | yeah zenzio :3 |
| 08:54.29 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh, not quite...why not keep UK on the us one then |
| 08:54.43 | jnwhiteh | because its in europe |
| 08:54.45 | jnwhiteh | clearly |
| 08:54.48 | jnwhiteh | by definition |
| 08:54.55 | Thunder_Child | you just said it was language, not region |
| 08:54.59 | jnwhiteh | and there is a regional difference between wow-us and wow-eu |
| 08:55.02 | jnwhiteh | .< |
| 08:55.03 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 08:55.05 | Thunder_Child | err.. |
| 08:55.12 | jnwhiteh | You're being obtuse. |
| 08:55.23 | Thunder_Child | hardly new |
| 08:55.33 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 08:56.01 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: because "UK" servers are located in France/Germany, and the latency to there is better than to the US |
| 08:56.08 | Thunder_Child | but i dont really think it is a big deal betwen wow-euorpe and .co.uk....which does lead to wow-europe anyway |
| 08:56.21 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: it would be silly to make it .co.uk |
| 08:56.28 | jnwhiteh | except as an alias |
| 08:56.28 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, just the site i mean |
| 08:56.35 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: oh, I missed that |
| 08:56.39 | nevcairiel | its wow-europe, based in france, not in the UK |
| 08:56.45 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 08:56.58 | Fisker- | so guys |
| 08:57.02 | Fisker- | patch on april 14th |
| 08:57.20 | zenzio | out of curiosity, don't the EU TOS etc. say they abide by Luxembourg rules? |
| 08:57.22 | Cairenn | that'd be my guess |
| 08:57.22 | nevcairiel | My guess is either next week or in two weeks |
| 08:57.48 | Maldivia | hopefully in two weeks - I need to code a new DKP addon for my guild before Ulduar is out :9 |
| 08:57.50 | nevcairiel | Seeing how all the Ulduar testing stopped |
| 08:58.08 | nevcairiel | i hope they fixed the damn flame leviathan bugs without letting us test now <.< |
| 08:58.37 | Fisker- | We have a short but important announcement that we wanted to share with our players. World of Warcraft is currently an operation of Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. (USA), but starting April 14, 2009 |
| 08:58.40 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, i do remember hearing something about that |
| 08:58.46 | Fisker- | We all know what they're gonna be pushing April 14th |
| 08:58.47 | Maldivia | nevcariel: the chasing wrong vehivle type ? |
| 08:58.50 | Fisker- | An update to the ToS |
| 08:59.00 | Fisker- | I wonder what detectives can figure out how to :P |
| 08:59.07 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: thats one of it, we had alot more though. wasn't even sure if that was a bug or intended |
| 08:59.43 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: but players couldn't mount the choppers after getting off the leviathan, the demolishers sprint was broken, and after a trash respawn the hardmode was turned off, and the npc to active it gone |
| 08:59.56 | nevcairiel | s/active/activate/ |
| 09:00.11 | Maldivia | well, the npc isnt supposed to be there, that was just for testing :9 |
| 09:00.29 | nevcairiel | Well if you didn't talk to it, the hardmode didnt activate |
| 09:00.33 | Aiiane | nevcairiel: seen this before? http://www.mistybeach.com/articles/WhyIDontLikeCPlusPlusForLargeProjects.html |
| 09:00.33 | nevcairiel | with towers alive or dead |
| 09:00.38 | Maldivia | true |
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| 09:00.54 | Zootfizzle | Also, helpful to keep in mind that GDC was last week, even while the PTR was up and some things were being changed/fixed |
| 09:01.21 | nevcairiel | So are you saying we get ulduar testing again now? =p |
| 09:01.43 | Maldivia | well, a new patch was pushed last night, and schedules are usually posted on tuesdays, so :9 |
| 09:02.00 | Zootfizzle | No :P |
| 09:02.31 | Maldivia | and hodir heroic hard mode needs som tuning... (that fight realy bugs me as a caster) |
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| 09:04.08 | nevcairiel | I never saw Hodir |
| 09:04.12 | nevcairiel | wasnt he US testing only? |
| 09:05.04 | Maldivia | might have been, I tested him on US |
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| 09:09.07 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: ice falls from the ceiling on people, hits for damage and sends people flying in all directions. some helper npcs put down spotlights, if you stand in them your haste is increased by 100%, so casters gather under spotlights - meaning bigger chance of ice falling there - you get the picture. and when standing in spotlights it's really hard to see ice is about to fall (you can see some snow where they are about to drop, but it's hard to s |
| 09:09.36 | nevcairiel | heh fun |
| 09:09.53 | nevcairiel | maybe they color the snow purple for visiblity =) |
| 09:09.57 | Maldivia | also there's a stacking debuff for standing still (like nexus end boss) |
| 09:10.16 | Fisker- | ah |
| 09:10.21 | Fisker- | jumps a lot |
| 09:10.34 | nevcairiel | I think i read the ability list once |
| 09:10.42 | nevcairiel | when he was tested first |
| 09:11.04 | Maldivia | Fisker-: doesn't help, you have to move for the same time as you stand still to remove the debuff |
| 09:11.22 | nevcairiel | heh thats alot more intense then nexus |
| 09:11.23 | Fisker- | Then it's not like in the Nexus! |
| 09:11.33 | Maldivia | or well, it appears that way, meaning a single jump doesn't clear the stack |
| 09:11.52 | nevcairiel | i'm glad to be a druid, again! |
| 09:11.59 | Maldivia | feral druid? |
| 09:12.04 | nevcairiel | nah, resto |
| 09:12.11 | nevcairiel | i can move while HoT'ing |
| 09:12.13 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 09:12.32 | Maldivia | well, the fight really isn't very healing intensive, if poeple just avoid the falling ice |
| 09:12.41 | Maldivia | (except the 40k hits on the tank, that is) |
| 09:12.45 | nevcairiel | I wish they would fix the tree-stun issue though |
| 09:13.01 | Mike-N-Go | If there is one universal raiding tip: Stay out of the fire. |
| 09:13.07 | Mike-N-Go | Or ice, in this case. |
| 09:13.09 | nevcairiel | ever noticed how a tree cannot move after being knocked down? |
| 09:13.18 | nevcairiel | you can cast again, but you can't move for a few seconds |
| 09:13.19 | Maldivia | Mike-N-Go: actually, in this fight you want to stay in the fire :) |
| 09:13.21 | Wraithan | Shaman 8.5 is itemized for tank healing =/ |
| 09:13.33 | Mike-N-Go | gasps. |
| 09:13.45 | Mike-N-Go | What fight is the conversation about? I got in late. |
| 09:13.51 | nevcairiel | hodir |
| 09:13.53 | Maldivia | Mike-N-Go: or well, another npc puts down small camp fires that increases your spirit by 400 and makes you immune to the stacking debuff |
| 09:14.15 | nevcairiel | is it 400 now? When i read it, it was that 4 spirit a default fire gives you =P |
| 09:14.35 | Maldivia | the buff read 400, didn't check my paperdoll though |
| 09:15.04 | Maldivia | it's a really fun and interesting fight... but favors melee a lot :9 |
| 09:15.09 | nevcairiel | like i said, i only read it after first tests |
| 09:15.12 | Maldivia | also, the crit damage buff is SOO nice :9 |
| 09:17.05 | Maldivia | 40k starfire crits :) |
| 09:17.08 | Thunder_Child | pearks his hears up |
| 09:17.13 | Thunder_Child | crit? |
| 09:17.17 | Thunder_Child | i likey crit |
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| 09:18.03 | nevcairiel | that was boring spam |
| 09:18.10 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 09:18.25 | Thunder_Child | looks like Shiibot failed |
| 09:18.33 | Mike-N-Go | I wonder what the intent of the message was? |
| 09:20.35 | Maldivia | Mike-N-Go: to make us all wonder what the intent of the message was |
| 09:22.15 | Thunder_Child | is it bad when you misread "cyclone strike" to be "Cylon strike"? |
| 09:23.26 | Maldivia | that just means you have bsg withdrawal symtoms... |
| 09:23.47 | Thunder_Child | but i dont like bsg |
| 09:24.23 | Maldivia | hmm, another achievement that mentions a required (or in this case maximum) item level, yet no way to see item level in game without the use of an addon |
| 09:24.32 | Zootfizzle | Maldivia: On behalf of everyone on the melee class forums, allow me to express the sentiment that it's probably okay that one fight in the dungeon heavily favors melee |
| 09:24.44 | Zootfizzle | If it drops caster loot, somebody needs a kick in the teeth |
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| 09:25.58 | Maldivia | Zootfizzle: hehe - I agree, but I'm just afraid that to get hard mode done (to open for the hard-mode only boss), raids will overstack melee for that fight |
| 09:27.31 | Zootfizzle | I'm not a game designer by any means, but I'd surmise the idea is that you stack hybrids and when they're appropriately geared and your raid is good at the encounters when working together, it should work out |
| 09:27.41 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia, i never realized that (always have an addon or 100) but blizz really should put ilvl in the base UI |
| 09:28.36 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: yeah, how do people know if an item fulfills the requirements for the "Epic" achievement, which requires a iLevel 213 in every slot, if they can't see iLevel :) |
| 09:28.47 | End | I can picture it now |
| 09:28.55 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia, because it lights up when it is |
| 09:28.55 | End | failing to get the achievement |
| 09:29.08 | End | and then going to each player and inspecting them |
| 09:29.21 | End | to figure out who made the raid fail by having an item slightly too good :P |
| 09:29.35 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: in that case, yeah - not really that big a deal, but with an achievement with a requirement like: "Defeat Algalon the Observer on Normal Difficulty without anyone in the raid wearing any equipment with an item level higher than 226." |
| 09:30.01 | Zootfizzle | Good points |
| 09:30.12 | Zootfizzle | G'night folks :) |
| 09:30.16 | Thunder_Child | night Zootfizzle |
| 09:30.17 | Maldivia | night night |
| 09:30.18 | End | no, night to you sir |
| 09:30.20 | nevcairiel | night |
| 09:30.31 | End | (no night you!) |
| 09:32.22 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia, maybe a msg on the achivement when in the zone that says soemthing like "you are ineligable (sp?) for this achivement" |
| 09:32.22 | batbot | Thunder_Child, ineligible. |
| 09:33.12 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: yeah, and they everyone starts changing one item at a time to figure out who has the item > ilevel 226? |
| 09:33.28 | End | it's not that bad |
| 09:33.34 | Thunder_Child | Maldivia, common....most people know where they got an item |
| 09:33.54 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: it should be on the stats tab |
| 09:33.57 | jnwhiteh | then problem solved :P |
| 09:34.06 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: true, but do you know if the item you got from ulduar is ilevel 226 or 229 ? |
| 09:34.07 | jnwhiteh | what your max/min ilevel is |
| 09:34.15 | jnwhiteh | and the same for raid |
| 09:34.16 | Thunder_Child | there is a 229? |
| 09:34.21 | Thunder_Child | or do you mean 219 |
| 09:35.11 | Maldivia | the 232 |
| 09:35.27 | End | hard mode 10 drops what? |
| 09:35.40 | Maldivia | hard 10 dropds 226 I think |
| 09:35.41 | Thunder_Child | 226 |
| 09:35.45 | Maldivia | but pvp gear is 232 |
| 09:35.48 | End | ok |
| 09:36.18 | Thunder_Child | still Maldivia i was playing the advocate, i do agree that ilvl should be in the base UI |
| 09:36.20 | End | personally, the dealing with the itemlevel bit on the whole is kinda weird |
| 09:36.26 | End | for an achievement |
| 09:36.31 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 09:36.54 | End | obviously they're trying to maintain the ability to have meaningful achievements for 10man |
| 09:36.58 | Thunder_Child | there are already 2 with no issues |
| 09:37.07 | Maldivia | without anyone wearing pieces from tier-2 25-man instances / season 6 gladiator gear |
| 09:37.10 | End | but I think there's probably a better way to do it, although fuck if I know how |
| 09:37.19 | Maldivia | ehh, tier-8 :) |
| 09:38.28 | Maldivia | which reminds me, I finally got my Epic achievement this weekend... an idol finally dropped, and I was only druid in raid (first Idol I've seen drop!) |
| 09:38.46 | End | I finally got mine this weekend too |
| 09:38.57 | End | I hadn't been bothering to upgrade my cloak |
| 09:39.06 | End | actually, technically my belt is too low |
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| 09:39.24 | End | but I have the frost resist belt just for kicks |
| 09:39.30 | End | >_> |
| 09:39.34 | Maldivia | heh |
| 09:39.48 | Maldivia | well, I don't have 2 213 rings - but that can be cheated anyway :) |
| 09:39.55 | End | yeah, I cheated that too |
| 09:40.06 | Maldivia | or actually, I think I do now, not sure :) |
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| 09:40.28 | End | I still don't |
| 09:40.42 | End | there's a 10man naxx ring that's really good :o |
| 09:41.20 | Maldivia | I want the kt-25 ring :) |
| 09:41.34 | End | you boomkin? |
| 09:41.34 | Maldivia | (me and every other caster) |
| 09:41.43 | Maldivia | mostly, yeah |
| 09:41.55 | Maldivia | although I was resto this weekend, since we needed a healer |
| 09:42.14 | End | well, I guess a resto druid could probably use it too |
| 09:42.23 | End | but yeah, that's a nice ring |
| 09:42.30 | End | it'd replace my other naxx25 ring if I got it though :o |
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| 09:53.26 | ZorbaTHut | man, I wish there was a "reload toc" button on the character screen |
| 09:53.44 | Mike-N-Go | ZorbaTHut: Alt+F4 |
| 09:53.54 | ZorbaTHut | and then I have to log in again, and I'm lazy :P |
| 10:00.31 | Thunder_Child | heh "[03:00] WARNING! Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom is scheduled to reset in 6 hours." |
| 10:01.26 | Fisker- | fuck |
| 10:01.29 | Fisker- | you'll never make it |
| 10:01.39 | Fisker- | better jump to your deaths and escape while you still can |
| 10:01.53 | End | yeah, especially because the 1 hour daily quest takes 3 hours |
| 10:01.55 | End | er |
| 10:01.57 | End | yeah, especially because the 1 hour daily quest takes 12 hours |
| 10:02.18 | End | (OH NOES IT'S DUST) |
| 10:09.19 | Thunder_Child | i find OCC to be eaiser than OK tbh |
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| 10:19.16 | End | hm, WoW has 7650 quests |
| 10:19.22 | End | according to blizzard |
| 10:19.47 | End | pff, wowhead says 7769! |
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| 10:20.54 | Wraithan | End 7650 quests open to all classes |
| 10:21.01 | Wraithan | Is likely what they mean |
| 10:21.19 | End | I think it's more of an estimation |
| 10:21.33 | Wraithan | Possibly |
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| 10:58.07 | ZorbaTHut | is there a standard place WoW tends to store color constants? |
| 10:58.36 | nevcairiel | If there is, its Constants.lua |
| 10:58.41 | nevcairiel | if its not in there, you're out of luck |
| 10:58.57 | Aelobin | rawr |
| 10:59.10 | ZorbaTHut | I'll check it out, thanks |
| 10:59.33 | Elkano | there isn't... but for whichone are you looking? |
| 10:59.52 | ZorbaTHut | the color of the new tooltip quest hints, or a better way to detect them |
| 11:00.27 | Elkano | I don't think they are added via lua, are they? |
| 11:00.40 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 11:00.45 | ZorbaTHut | they aren't, which means I get to scrape them straight out of the tooltip lines and parse them ;) |
| 11:01.21 | Elkano | well, then why should the color be in the lua files? |
| 11:01.49 | ZorbaTHut | it might be the same color as something else - I was hoping they'd just have a table of common colors somewhere, and I'd find one that matched that color |
| 11:03.34 | nevcairiel | They probably use an "old" color, but finding it in lua .. not so easy |
| 11:03.53 | ZorbaTHut | yeah. worth a try if it was easy, but I think I'll just go and hardcode the sucker |
| 11:04.50 | ZorbaTHut | seems to be 255,210,255, epsilon rounding error. |
| 11:14.51 | Maldivia | Elkano: all tooltip likes have a format-string in globalStrings.lua |
| 11:14.57 | Maldivia | s/likes/lines/ |
| 11:16.41 | Fisker- | surrender your keyboard ZorbaTHut |
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| 11:50.08 | Fisker- | looks like it worked |
| 11:50.10 | Fisker- | cheers |
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| 11:56.20 | Olison | well done Fisker- |
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| 12:03.42 | Fisker- | uses said keyboard to rob a bank |
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| 12:24.37 | Fisker- | omg omg |
| 12:24.44 | Fisker- | european battle.net servers are down |
| 12:24.47 | Fisker- | giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiev merges |
| 12:24.51 | Fisker- | oh |
| 12:24.52 | Fisker- | us as well |
| 12:24.54 | Fisker- | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 12:26.29 | Elkano | Fisker-, did I already tell you today how much I hate you? |
| 12:26.42 | Fisker- | nope |
| 12:26.49 | Elkano | well, think about it... |
| 12:26.51 | Fisker- | Can it be that time of the day plx? |
| 12:30.45 | Fisker- | slaps Elkano around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:34.18 | Elkano | well, as I said, "Think about it..." |
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| 12:40.20 | mikma | elkano: he needs to be told several times in a day how much we hate him |
| 12:40.32 | Fisker- | bad idea |
| 12:40.43 | mikma | fisker-: we hate you |
| 12:40.54 | Fisker- | I'm powered by hated |
| 12:40.55 | Fisker- | hate* |
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| 12:42.16 | mikma | good, cause we hate you |
| 12:42.21 | mikma | now feed up little troll |
| 12:42.34 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 12:42.48 | mikma | *BANG!* forumtroll! |
| 12:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are so weird. |
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| 12:44.56 | zenzio | that's why you lub us so |
| 12:45.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Good to know! |
| 12:45.19 | mikma | lopeppeppy: we like you |
| 12:45.31 | Lopeppeppy | *huggles* |
| 12:45.53 | zenzio | no |
| 12:45.56 | zenzio | we love her |
| 12:46.46 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 12:49.13 | mikma | fisker-: http://www.darklegacycomics.com/51.html |
| 12:49.22 | mikma | *BLAM!* |
| 12:50.06 | Fisker- | naw |
| 12:50.15 | Fisker- | i'm not that stupid |
| 12:50.55 | mikma | l2lvl60!!!1oneone |
| 12:51.05 | mikma | also, haha, http://www.darklegacycomics.com/183.jpg |
| 12:51.11 | mikma | testrealm xD |
| 12:51.49 | nevcairiel | that happend to two people in my guild |
| 12:52.04 | mikma | haha |
| 12:52.12 | nevcairiel | sometimes i think blizz does that on purpose |
| 12:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ice cream ice cream ice cream! Want a lick? |
| 12:55.57 | mikma | peppy flavored? |
| 12:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, haven't perfected the freckles yet. |
| 12:56.49 | mikma | pass |
| 12:57.16 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy ice cream would be french vanilla with tons of vanilla flecks... and taste like blue raspberry or something. :) |
| 12:58.29 | zenzio | ... all I saw was "peppy", "french" and "taste" |
| 12:59.25 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls her eyes fondly* |
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| 13:06.22 | Fisker- | i r tird |
| 13:06.28 | zenzio | *turd |
| 13:06.50 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:07.06 | Lopeppeppy | Then why are you still awake, Fisker-? |
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| 13:08.38 | Fisker- | because it's in the afternoon |
| 13:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | Nap? |
| 13:08.53 | Fisker- | naw |
| 13:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | Then suck it up, pilgrim, and get some caffeine. |
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| 13:16.07 | Xinhuan | the test realm egg thing happened to me too |
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| 13:17.25 | cncfanatics | omghai |
| 13:17.25 | Lopeppeppy | I seem to remember a debate before about test realms having deliberately higher drop rates on everything, so that one can actually, you know, complete quests and so forth... Doesn't surprise me if true. |
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| 13:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | *dies laughing* The support website for my CMS software is down. I find this awesomely funny, for some unknown reason. |
| 13:21.57 | zenzio | time to phone support! |
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| 13:24.51 | Lopeppeppy | I just wanted to browse some documentation. I'm laughing too hard to call anyone. |
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| 14:15.07 | kneeki | I'm suprised nobody had made a Diablo III 'character screen' for WoW yet =p |
| 14:15.33 | mikma | wait and see |
| 14:15.43 | mikma | people are idiots ^^ |
| 14:15.46 | DWSR | lol |
| 14:15.50 | DWSR | Can you even do that? |
| 14:16.44 | kneeki | Why couldn't you? |
| 14:16.50 | mikma | why would you? |
| 14:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | There's a diablo UI for WoW |
| 14:17.07 | DWSR | yeah, but that's understandable (and cool looking). |
| 14:17.08 | kneeki | Because people have made the 'orbs' addons before |
| 14:17.10 | kneeki | http://eu.blizzard.com/blizzcast/_images/episode8/d303.jpg |
| 14:17.13 | DWSR | But can you change the character select screen? |
| 14:17.25 | kneeki | DWSR: Sure |
| 14:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR: No. |
| 14:17.51 | DWSR | fail kneeki |
| 14:17.54 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki, no you can't. *poke* |
| 14:17.59 | kneeki | ?? |
| 14:18.09 | kneeki | Pretty sure you could |
| 14:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | Character select screen is before any addons load, you cannot in any way change it. |
| 14:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | No, very not could. |
| 14:18.17 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Not even by going through and hacking at the XML? |
| 14:18.19 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: No no no |
| 14:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, you do that, they ban your game. Have fun. |
| 14:18.30 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: The Character status screen |
| 14:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki, that's that what he asked. |
| 14:18.44 | kneeki | Not character select |
| 14:18.50 | kneeki | yeah... |
| 14:18.55 | kneeki | DWSR: fail. |
| 14:18.57 | nevcairiel | peppy thinks of the worst of people :( |
| 14:19.15 | Lopeppeppy | I just kinda answer the question asked, go figure. *poke nevcairiel* |
| 14:19.15 | Teomyr | there used to be a few login screen mods in the past (like storing passwords iirc), but blizzard disabled the ability to mod the "glue" UI |
| 14:19.20 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: First, how could they tell? |
| 14:19.32 | nevcairiel | If you would've looked at the screenshot, you would've known what he wanted, the paperdoll frame :p |
| 14:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, I'm not going to debate with you, I've told you that before. |
| 14:19.41 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I'm asking, not debating. |
| 14:19.51 | kneeki | The Warden. |
| 14:20.02 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, read up on it. Addons can't do anything until you're in the game. End of story. Changing the UI is allowed, everything else is forbidden. |
| 14:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | The mod I was thinking of: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11065-Diablo3dynamicOrbs.html |
| 14:20.28 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, I understand that. But how could they tell that you had hacked at the login UI? |
| 14:20.34 | DWSR | Just using the Launcher? |
| 14:20.38 | Lopeppeppy | Read what kneeki wrote. |
| 14:20.42 | kneeki | DWSR: The Warden. |
| 14:20.47 | DWSR | That's not helpful to me. |
| 14:20.52 | kneeki | Then Google it |
| 14:20.57 | Lopeppeppy | It's the answer. Look it up. |
| 14:22.06 | DWSR | "Warden uses API function calls to collect data on open programs on the user's computer" <- Doesn't say anything about files. |
| 14:22.43 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* Keep reading. If you alter your game files via hacking, it is detectable and can lead to sanctions on your account, up to an including the perma-ban-stick. |
| 14:22.55 | DWSR | I'm reading the wiki, doesn't say anything about that. |
| 14:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The wiki won't |
| 14:23.56 | DWSR | where would then? |
| 14:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/11/15/blizzards-new-warden-and-our-privacy/ "the program Blizzard uses to check for **HACKS**, bots and keyloggers..." |
| 14:24.57 | Lopeppeppy | That was in the top 3 of my google search for "wow warden" |
| 14:25.06 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: I was about to link that |
| 14:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | Great minds, kneeki |
| 14:25.27 | DWSR | heh, I searched Warden Blizzard. |
| 14:25.55 | kneeki | I searched 'blizzard the warden', first link. |
| 14:26.32 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure the Warden only checks for executeable hacks, it doesn't verify the integrity of the game data files. |
| 14:27.04 | Kalroth | I know I've used empty data files to kill the annoying lich drake on the character screen, so :) |
| 14:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | Something does, Kalroth, and I'm betting it's Warden. All of the texture hacks for druids that lead to bans, etc.... |
| 14:27.21 | kneeki | Mhmm |
| 14:27.27 | DWSR | eh. |
| 14:27.35 | Kalroth | Texture hacks for druids gets you banned? |
| 14:27.39 | nevcairiel | Not everything is checked, but key components like models are checked |
| 14:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Have before, yes |
| 14:27.43 | kneeki | And, unless you work for Blizzard, I don't think you will ever know 100% |
| 14:27.56 | kneeki | Kalroth: Oh yes, very much so |
| 14:28.05 | Lopeppeppy | Changing the models is not allowed. Been said many times by the famous "blue posters" everyone craves. |
| 14:28.06 | DWSR | I don't get why texture hacks get you banned. |
| 14:28.09 | DWSR | they only affect you. |
| 14:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 14:28.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay um |
| 14:28.16 | Kalroth | Well I'm not sure what a druid texture hack is, so I guess so :) |
| 14:28.17 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, you can read up on that on the forums as well. |
| 14:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | No they don't |
| 14:28.22 | kneeki | Reason: campfire = Staircase = exploit |
| 14:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And there is VERY valid reason why they are banned |
| 14:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | Reason: 12 foot tall herbs = exploit |
| 14:28.34 | nevcairiel | DWSR: color every player texture pink, more visiblity in arenas, good, eh? |
| 14:28.55 | Lopeppeppy | 3 examples in a heartbeat. Next question. |
| 14:29.00 | DWSR | Heh. |
| 14:29.02 | Kalroth | I'd say that was rather bad though, nevcairiel :p |
| 14:29.14 | Kalroth | I get the model changing points though, but models != textures. |
| 14:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | Hello Kitty UI! |
| 14:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps Peppy was imprecise in her words. Sorry, it's before noon still. *big sad eyes* |
| 14:29.43 | DWSR | I thought that the models would include things like where the model stops clipping. |
| 14:29.53 | Lopeppeppy | And? So? |
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| 14:30.16 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: so that would invalidate kneeki's reason, but I see the point regardless. |
| 14:30.23 | Kalroth | I get the idea of modifying game data is bad, simply because the client relies too much on it. |
| 14:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | I just tend to leave it at that, Kalroth. As slouken once said, modifying the UI is okay, everything else is strictly off-limits. |
| 14:31.05 | kneeki | As slouken once said, modifying the UI is okay, everything else is strictly off-limits. |
| 14:31.12 | kneeki | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 14:31.16 | Kalroth | But I'm also sure that you don't get banned for changing all data, because I've used empty sound files since the first day I heard the Toy Train in action. |
| 14:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki, this is totally our "date day". *laugh* |
| 14:31.30 | DWSR | Kalroth: Where's that sound file btw. |
| 14:31.30 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: lol |
| 14:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Sound files can be placed outside the MPQs, which is valid |
| 14:31.37 | Kalroth | Also I've killed the sound of various annoying mounts (engineering etc.) |
| 14:31.41 | DWSR | Kalroth: I'm going to do that too. It's so fucking annoying. |
| 14:31.49 | Kalroth | Sure, I've never modified the MPQs :) |
| 14:32.20 | Kalroth | DWSR: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12077-TrainWreck.html |
| 14:33.10 | DWSR | thanks |
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| 14:34.08 | DWSR | Kalroth: Can I just generate a completely blank file for the sounds? |
| 14:34.18 | DWSR | Or does it have to be a valid sound file with no sound? |
| 14:34.19 | Kalroth | a 0 byte file, yeah |
| 14:34.34 | kneeki | renaming the extention to an empty notepad.txt file should work |
| 14:34.42 | DWSR | yeah, thought so. |
| 14:34.43 | kneeki | Although, I don't recommend it |
| 14:34.49 | Kalroth | I think that mod uses real files with headers though, but using 0 byte files is fine |
| 14:35.14 | DWSR | meh, bbiab. |
| 14:36.39 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UE3CNu_rtY |
| 14:39.10 | Shirik | yawns |
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| 14:40.25 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shriik |
| 14:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I can spell, sure. Hi, Shirik. |
| 14:40.45 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:40.50 | DWSR | hey Kalroth: Got any mods that shows who dropped a train set? |
| 14:41.03 | DWSR | I'm a raid leader and I have expressely banned Toy Trains from raids |
| 14:42.25 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder if Big Brother could tattle about that... |
| 14:42.56 | DWSR | Ah, found Train Conductor on Curse. |
| 14:42.56 | mikma | malreth: hehe |
| 14:43.32 | selckin | i'm a train dropper and proud of it! |
| 14:44.03 | mikma | malreth: sounded like mary poppins, aight? |
| 14:44.15 | malreth | Sound of Music |
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| 14:45.38 | selckin | http://selckin.be/Sound.rar removes all train sounds from the game, just extract to data/ |
| 14:46.02 | mikma | why do you need that |
| 14:46.12 | mikma | just buy the train -wrecking item after 3.1 :D |
| 14:46.25 | selckin | it has a cooldown /evilgrun |
| 14:46.43 | DWSR | mikma: Are they making one? |
| 14:46.49 | DWSR | That lets you destroy trains? |
| 14:46.52 | selckin | yeah a monkey that smashes trains |
| 14:47.06 | DWSR | ROFL AWESOME\ |
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| 14:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | I assume it just despawns the train, and that two people could have monkey-train wars all night? |
| 14:47.55 | selckin | 30min cd on both |
| 14:47.56 | mikma | dwsr: http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=45057 |
| 14:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. But a protracted war is possible. |
| 14:48.14 | selckin | and the wrecker can destory more then 1 train |
| 14:48.52 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuekDT6oBe0&fmt=22 |
| 14:49.08 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 14:49.08 | purl | ~pong |
| 14:49.17 | mikma | ~failrik |
| 14:49.17 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 14:49.43 | Fisker- | ~debug.failrik() |
| 14:49.44 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 14:49.53 | Shirik | I think I just broke youtube |
| 14:49.57 | Shirik | can anyone go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuekDT6oBe0&fmt=22 ? |
| 14:50.10 | Shirik | ok now it magically works |
| 14:50.11 | DWSR | works for me. |
| 14:50.11 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 14:50.13 | Shirik | wtf |
| 14:50.16 | Shirik | Now that I post it her |
| 14:50.49 | selckin | you can a diffrend server every request |
| 14:50.51 | selckin | +get |
| 14:51.04 | selckin | if its slow, just hit refresh till you get not overloaded |
| 14:51.09 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:53.14 | Corey|Sleep | is there a frame size limit |
| 14:53.16 | Corey|Sleep | or only picture size |
| 14:53.19 | Corey|Sleep | Corey|Awake |
| 14:53.21 | Corey|Sleep | whoops |
| 14:53.33 | DWSR | frame size limit? Don't think so. |
| 14:53.41 | DWSR | I thought you could have frames that went the whole screen/ |
| 14:53.51 | Corey|Awake | that'd be good, i'm brand new to this but |
| 14:54.00 | Corey|Awake | what i'm doing is i have a game board, which is a pretty big map |
| 14:54.09 | Corey|Awake | and i just realised i'd need room for players to see what they have |
| 14:54.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 14:54.18 | Corey|Awake | if the frame can extend though |
| 14:54.20 | Corey|Awake | then it's not a big deal |
| 14:54.28 | Corey|Awake | just wanted to make sure before i got ahead of myself :P |
| 14:54.30 | DWSR | Yeah, you can just add sections that hide/show if you want. |
| 14:54.34 | Corey|Awake | perfect |
| 14:54.38 | Corey|Awake | i'll figure that out later, thanks |
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| 14:58.28 | malreth | MWWRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! http://i.gizmodo.com/5191510/peekaru-is-a-baby-snuggie |
| 14:58.58 | Corey|Awake | does anyone know if there's a lua plugin for aptana? |
| 14:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | ... interesting, malreth. |
| 15:00.19 | DWSR | Corey|Awake: Since Aptana is just a plugin for Eclipse, you should be able to use a Lua plugin for Eclipse. |
| 15:01.12 | Corey|Awake | oh is it? did not know that, thought it was standalone |
| 15:01.18 | Corey|Awake | someone suggested it to me and i tried it out briefly/liked it |
| 15:01.28 | DWSR | Corey|Awake: Ah, I'm mistaken. |
| 15:01.37 | DWSR | Aptana has two versions. Standalone and eclipse plugin. |
| 15:02.32 | Corey|Awake | time to uninstall and download the eclipse version |
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| 15:25.49 | DWSR | yay, ZNC! |
| 15:26.32 | Lopeppeppy | Zulu National Congress? |
| 15:26.43 | DWSR | http://en.znc.in/wiki/ZNC |
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| 15:27.49 | Adys | Odraeci] says: Your rating is not bad, it's just a bit 2-digited |
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| 15:28.53 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8522983322&postId=85220074788&sid=1#4 <-AMAGAD RUUUUUUUUUUUN |
| 15:29.14 | Lopeppeppy | I want the forums to come up so I can see if the login bug is fixed yet. |
| 15:29.53 | Fisker- | What login bug? |
| 15:29.58 | JackBurton7676 | ? |
| 15:30.02 | DWSR | Fixed? |
| 15:30.06 | DWSR | Forums are so broken. |
| 15:30.16 | Lopeppeppy | Forums are always down on Tuesdays. |
| 15:30.49 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker-, JackBurton7676, there are several forum bugs relating to battle-net accounts right now. The one I'm hit with is that I cannot get the forums to stick with my chosen character for posting. |
| 15:31.07 | Fisker- | Doubt it's fixed yet :P |
| 15:31.21 | cog|work | Tuesday, Tuesday... can't trust that day |
| 15:31.24 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, my fingers are crossed, Fisker-, let me hope! |
| 15:31.38 | Fisker- | when you let me hope for EU account merges :( |
| 15:31.58 | alestane | Every other day, every Other day, every other Day of the week is FINE, ye-ah... |
| 15:32.15 | cog|work | but whenever tuesday comes you can find me cryin' |
| 15:32.25 | alestane | All of the time. |
| 15:32.42 | alestane | ...it's just NOT the same in text. |
| 15:32.47 | cog|work | rawr |
| 15:32.52 | Lopeppeppy | And I'm pretty glad of it. :P |
| 15:33.10 | cog|work | heh... yeah, imagine what that would've sounded like in person... |
| 15:33.36 | alestane | *I* can sing, although that's not exactly easy matierial... |
| 15:33.57 | cog|work | I can too but i'm ~9 years out of practice :P |
| 15:33.59 | Lopeppeppy | I tries not to imagine dinosaurs singing light pop tunes... I really do try not to. |
| 15:34.24 | alestane | thinks Lopeppeppy is failing. |
| 15:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | No, U. |
| 15:34.34 | cog|work | we should've been a dino quartet imo |
| 15:34.48 | Lopeppeppy | We were, I have the pictures to prove it. |
| 15:34.57 | Fisker- | i could've joined :( |
| 15:34.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ish. |
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| 15:40.51 | cog|work | ~lart randomness |
| 15:40.51 | purl | gives randomness a good seeing to |
| 15:41.11 | cog|work | ~lart chaos |
| 15:41.11 | purl | squishes chaos like a bug |
| 15:41.22 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart eris |
| 15:41.22 | purl | hits eris with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
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| 15:45.58 | kluge | whats a simple way to put my default spellbars on a little rectangle/grid instead of bordering the screen pls? |
| 15:47.07 | cog|work | kluge: get a bar mod? |
| 15:47.12 | Lopeppeppy | kluge, any of the bar mods can do that. |
| 15:47.25 | kluge | bartender 4 maybe? |
| 15:47.26 | Lopeppeppy | Bartender, dominos, Macaroon... I'm sure there's more. |
| 15:47.30 | kluge | ok |
| 15:47.33 | cog|work | http://vranx.com/bars.htm |
| 15:47.41 | kluge | ty |
| 15:48.08 | DWSR | How can I check where my master DNS server is for a domain name? |
| 15:49.04 | erikd | you can't really tell that aside from getting at your zone |
| 15:49.18 | erikd | you can see which nameservers your domain uses through a whois |
| 15:49.30 | DWSR | ah, got it. Thanks. |
| 15:50.21 | erikd | i like these tools for domain stuff: http://centralops.net/ |
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| 15:53.14 | cog|work | ~failrik |
| 15:53.14 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:53.26 | cog|work | s/~failrik/ohai!/ |
| 15:53.32 | Fisker- | ~debug.failrik(); |
| 15:53.34 | Fisker- | ~debug.failrik() |
| 15:53.34 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
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| 15:59.00 | cog|work | alestane: u gief buff? |
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| 16:02.29 | cog|work | hai kamdis |
| 16:04.04 | kamdis | hello cog :) |
| 16:04.33 | kamdis | is it just me getting forum login errors, or is it the usual tuesday thing? |
| 16:04.43 | cog|work | the usual afaik |
| 16:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | Usual Tuesday |
| 16:04.49 | kamdis | thanks :) |
| 16:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | i want a Fail Whale for the forums. :) |
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| 16:09.18 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:09.30 | Lunessa | Station Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:09.37 | kamdis | What she said. ^^ |
| 16:09.44 | cog|work | ditto |
| 16:09.48 | Lunessa | Station kamdis. |
| 16:09.56 | cog|work | recharging |
| 16:10.03 | Lunessa | *chuckle* |
| 16:10.17 | cog|work | gas |
| 16:10.35 | cog|work | I.S. |
| 16:15.03 | Fisker- | my cat is disappoint |
| 16:15.56 | Lunessa | cog|work: I.T., M.I.S., PDQ |
| 16:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Whyfor? |
| 16:16.08 | Lunessa | it lives with Fisker-! |
| 16:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | OIC |
| 16:16.52 | Fisker- | :( |
| 16:17.15 | Lopeppeppy | On the list of things I cannot fix: When a vendor has a file too big to email to us and doesn't know about FTP, Google Doc, or have a CD burner to burn it for us. |
| 16:17.45 | alestane | Is it zipped already? |
| 16:18.00 | cog|work | usb thumb drive? |
| 16:18.13 | alestane | Send to>Compressed Folder is easy if that will make it small enough. |
| 16:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | Zipping was beyond her, and if she doesn't have a CD drive I doubt she has a USB port, but I'll offer that one up to my sideways-boss to suggest to it. |
| 16:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | She's a graphics design-type of vendor... why she doesn't have a way to transmit files is BEYOND ME! Rawr. |
| 16:19.41 | erikd | i'd be afraid to work with a vendor who doesn't know that, i'd think those would be pretty basic skills by now |
| 16:20.17 | Lunessa | Especially for graphics arts in the digital age |
| 16:20.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I'm thinking this vendor ain't gonna be around after this contract is done. *rolls eyes* |
| 16:20.51 | MentalPower | Lopeppeppy: maybe she has a macbook air or similar cd-less system |
| 16:21.23 | Lopeppeppy | MP, probably something of the sort, but she should have FTP, or be able to email things, or be willing to get them onto CD to bring to clients... I mean, how does one imagine one is to transfer the completed files? |
| 16:21.29 | Lopeppeppy | boggles. Boggling is fun. |
| 16:21.54 | durcyn | sometimes I boggle all night long. |
| 16:22.18 | Lunessa | I prefer Scrabble to Boggle. |
| 16:22.34 | MentalPower | dumb vendors are dumb |
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| 16:23.22 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHTxVtjKPPw |
| 16:24.07 | MentalPower | I'm still fighting with one that even tho their software is "vista compatible" it won't run without admin rights (its a medical records thingy that doesn't even use local storage, everything is server-based) |
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| 16:25.49 | Lunessa | malreth: Need women who can do that. ... Or at least be that flexible. |
| 16:26.44 | malreth | i love how the boy gets paraded like a hero after that stunt |
| 16:27.09 | malreth | the entire village goes, "woohoo! we're gonna be internet-famous!" |
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| 16:28.41 | Lunessa | Haha. And one of them is in a lab coat like the kid is the result of some medical experiment. |
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| 16:29.57 | Lunessa | cog|work: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/31/funny-pictures-and-hell-eat-for-a-day/ |
| 16:30.50 | kluge | some simple addon so i dont have to drag and drop ppls frames from the raid window when i join one and want to heal them? |
| 16:30.57 | cog|work | *chuckle8 |
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| 16:31.34 | cog|work | kluge: have you looked at the other categories on that site i linked you? |
| 16:31.39 | cog|work | esp. unit frames... |
| 16:31.46 | kamdis | PerfectRaid, Grid, etc. |
| 16:32.01 | |Jelly| | hugs cog|work. |
| 16:32.10 | kluge | ty |
| 16:32.26 | cog|work | hugs back |
| 16:32.37 | cog|work | wtb forums |
| 16:32.57 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 -- That'll be ONE MILLION DOLLARS |
| 16:33.19 | cog|work | odamn |
| 16:33.26 | cog|work | hao u get it werk? |
| 16:33.49 | |Jelly| | I hugged it until it ... you know ... gave in. It also has previously accepted candy and bikes. |
| 16:34.15 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Those sound like "buying silence for bad touches" things. |
| 16:34.25 | JackBurton7676 | lol |
| 16:34.29 | |Jelly| | The end justifies the means, Lunessa. |
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| 16:34.37 | |Jelly| | errm ... crap |
| 16:34.37 | cog|work | calls Forum Protective Services |
| 16:34.42 | |Jelly| | uhhh |
| 16:34.56 | |Jelly| | hides behind Shirik. |
| 16:35.02 | Lunessa | Today is Nightbane - "What fools! I shall bring a quick end to your suffering!" |
| 16:36.10 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: sorry for the navhaz... i needed to make room to transwarp another planet into the home sector... |
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| 17:01.11 | durcyn | just crash a planet on him, he'll learn to get out of the way. |
| 17:02.48 | Lunessa | my name is... my name is Darth Vader. |
| 17:03.47 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/27MichaelWard.html |
| 17:04.14 | Shirik | huggles |Jelly| |
| 17:04.34 | cog|work | Shirik: u gief lua tradewars client nao kthxbai |
| 17:07.29 | |Jelly| | Shirik!! |
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| 17:10.59 | malreth | what is this tradewars thing that's all the rage in the salons? |
| 17:11.33 | amro | ~tradewars |
| 17:11.34 | purl | tradewars is, like, an ancient door game, where you pilot a ship and trade in a universe of 9999 sectors and N planetoids. Recent clones include escape velocity by Ambrosia software. |
| 17:12.05 | malreth | i played escape velocity until my fingers bled |
| 17:12.13 | cog|work | malreth: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21062 |
| 17:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | didn't we all? |
| 17:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | All the cool people are playing tradewars. |
| 17:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | wonders if he still has EV installed somewhere |
| 17:13.06 | alestane | Attempting to re-firmware my router, pray for me. |
| 17:13.59 | cog|work | purl: you're high |
| 17:14.09 | cog|work | tradewars has nothing to do with EV |
| 17:15.14 | Shirik | cog|work: I have a problem |
| 17:15.20 | Shirik | Can you put the ports at 100% regen rate? |
| 17:15.33 | Shirik | I had 20k turns last night and tried to use them up, and basically ate up all of the resources |
| 17:15.42 | Zootfizzle | Cogwheel, don't do it |
| 17:15.43 | malreth | we should do a remake of Legend of the Red Dragon. Lopeppeppy can play the role of Violet. |
| 17:15.44 | cog|work | not my problem imo |
| 17:15.45 | Shirik | I eventually ended the script with a ton of turns still left because all it was doing is running around |
| 17:15.51 | Shirik | I'm kidding :P |
| 17:15.53 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:16.06 | Fisker- | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:16.09 | Zootfizzle | That's how non-Gnomes work |
| 17:16.12 | Fisker- | "oops" |
| 17:16.23 | Zootfizzle | They ask for terrible things that would ruin the universe and when you say no, they say they're kidding |
| 17:16.31 | Zootfizzle | grrs at Shirik |
| 17:16.37 | Shirik | roars at Zootfizzle |
| 17:16.56 | cog|work | Shirik: you can run down every port in the entire universe and I can still make money from them... RAWR |
| 17:16.58 | durcyn | malreth: i think i have a original copy of LORD laying around somewhere actually |
| 17:17.03 | Fisker- | growls at Shirik |
| 17:17.10 | Zootfizzle | RAWRs at Shirik as well |
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| 17:19.02 | Fisker- | Lieutenants now enjoy long walks on the beach. |
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| 17:20.23 | malreth | winks at Lopeppeppy |
| 17:20.26 | Lopeppeppy | Violet? |
| 17:20.34 | Lopeppeppy | Not Violent? I mean, was that a typo? :) |
| 17:20.41 | durcyn | no, Violet, the lusty barmaid, of course. |
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| 17:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | P.S. I officially despise that sideways-boss of mine. |
| 17:21.55 | cog|work | |Jelly|: you can have these forums back... they suck imo :P |
| 17:22.11 | |Jelly| | Ok ... you only have to pay half. |
| 17:24.05 | Corey|Awake | anyone here use crimson editor? |
| 17:24.48 | Fisker- | Do you enjoy long walks on the beach? |
| 17:25.08 | Corey|Awake | i do |
| 17:25.34 | cog|work | Corey|Awake: i think i tried it once but it seemed to do its own font rendering without cleartype support... i could be thinking of something else but it bugged the hell out of me |
| 17:25.59 | Corey|Awake | i don't mind the font |
| 17:25.59 | Robsato | We have it at work... |
| 17:26.02 | Corey|Awake | but the search function |
| 17:26.04 | Corey|Awake | is angering me |
| 17:26.07 | Corey|Awake | it's just utterly terrible |
| 17:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | A dusty barmaid? She needs to clean more often. |
| 17:26.42 | Robsato | Why not try another editor then Corey|Awake ? |
| 17:26.42 | Lunessa | needs a lusty barmaid. Or three. |
| 17:27.12 | Fisker- | kicks cog|work in nuts and bolts |
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| 17:28.03 | Corey|Awake | i am :P |
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| 17:28.21 | Corey|Awake | i tried to grab eclipse/aptana with lua support earlier but the plugin management just won't work for me |
| 17:28.25 | Corey|Awake | trying notepad++ now |
| 17:28.35 | cog|work | SciTE ? |
| 17:29.42 | Ithato | hello all, I came to drop in and ask if anyone here would be interested in being interviewed (i.e. about the new UI policy) for nostockui.com? I'm especially looking for people who have decided not to continue developing their addons or take other action in protest. |
| 17:30.48 | Lunessa | Corey|Awake: I <3 Notepadd++ |
| 17:31.05 | cog|work | Ithato: text, audio, or video interview? |
| 17:31.07 | Corey|Awake | wouldn't that be a biased interview? |
| 17:31.37 | Corey|Awake | unethical, etc |
| 17:31.44 | Ithato | cog|work: text, unless you prefer otherwise, which would them be transcripted back to text anyway |
| 17:31.45 | cog|work | Corey|Awake: ... |
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| 17:32.04 | Ithato | Corey|Awake: I want both viewpoints, but that one is much harder to find, for me |
| 17:32.15 | Corey|Awake | ah ok |
| 17:32.30 | alestane | Survey says, things look good. |
| 17:33.18 | Corey|Awake | cog - i have no issue one way or the other, it just seemed lopsided that he was 'especially' looking for one side over the other, but he cleared that up |
| 17:33.24 | Corey|Awake | is why i said that |
| 17:33.33 | Corey|Awake | no need to dot me :( |
| 17:33.35 | Caellian | Would anyone happen to know the name of this "frame" if that's even a frame: I'm trying to affect that glow appearing around the default nameplates when i'm in that unit's aggro list. Unfortunately i can't find anything about it |
| 17:33.44 | cog|work | Corey|Awake: ... :P |
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| 17:36.10 | Lunessa | Corey|Awake: Interviews are to get a particular view of a particular person. By nature, that's "bias" - it's not unethical journalism. |
| 17:36.58 | Ithato | Corey|Awake: yeah, I mean, I can find any number of people who are saying "I'm just going to keep writing addons because x" |
| 17:37.19 | Ithato | it's less common, or at least less visible, for me to find someone (who's willing to talk about it) who's throwing in the towel |
| 17:37.28 | Lunessa | Caellian: http://wowcompares.com/3099551/FrameXML/UnitFrame.lua |
| 17:37.52 | durcyn | Ithato: ZorbaTHut mentioned something about discontinuing QuestHelper |
| 17:37.55 | Caellian | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.29 | Ithato | durcyn: Right, I'd heard that through the grapevine. If he'd like to give me an interview about it I'd be happy to do so. |
| 17:38.47 | durcyn | Ithato: point being you should PM him =P |
| 17:39.34 | Ithato | durcyn: noted :) |
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| 17:40.50 | cog|work | baaaaaaaaaas at bleeter |
| 17:40.52 | kamdis | baaaaaaaaaah |
| 17:41.19 | cog|work | that count as jinx? :P |
| 17:41.37 | Lunessa | close enough. Both of you buy me a coke. |
| 17:41.46 | cog|work | we even used the same number of As |
| 17:41.48 | cog|work | >< |
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| 17:43.20 | malreth | kosher coke's on sale |
| 17:43.25 | malreth | mmm... |
| 17:43.32 | Lopeppeppy | So I hear. Where does one get some? |
| 17:43.58 | alestane | What's kosher about it? |
| 17:44.01 | Lunessa | Any ethnic store section. |
| 17:44.19 | malreth | no HFCS |
| 17:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | I'm so gonna have to go looking. |
| 17:44.31 | alestane | Back to Sucrose? |
| 17:44.39 | malreth | i got it at a local grocery... but this neighborhood has a high Jewish population |
| 17:44.40 | alestane | I know Pepsi was going to do that this month. |
| 17:44.42 | Lunessa | It uses sugar. And the place has been cleaned to kosher standards, and blessed by a rabbi. |
| 17:44.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, sugar. Neat. |
| 17:45.08 | malreth | I would have purchased the entire shelf... but I felt bad |
| 17:45.42 | AbsolutRayne_ | do do do |
| 17:45.51 | Lunessa | I'd keep kosher for health reasons if I didn't love bacon. |
| 17:45.55 | malreth | there were less than 20 bottles... I figured Jewish God wouldn't get angry with me if I only bought one |
| 17:46.04 | malreth | he can be a might testy sometimes |
| 17:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | Just say no to smiting. |
| 17:46.33 | Lopeppeppy | is going to hell for being irreverent. Again. |
| 17:47.14 | zenzelezz | you're never irrelevant to me |
| 17:47.26 | zenzelezz | twists words |
| 17:47.49 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 17:48.12 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I have a condo overlooking the Lake of Fire. Feel free to drop in any time. |
| 17:48.26 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Lunessa. I'd like to do a pig roast sometime soon. |
| 17:48.42 | Lunessa | Bring lots of BBQ sauce. |
| 17:49.56 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSAu3BOgZ1A <-SEE WHAT YOU PUT US THROUGH |
| 17:51.34 | mikma | how cool. this idiot plays bejeweled during trashclearing, goes afk when we run back to thaddius, after we arrive, he comes back and dies on slimes -> runs again |
| 17:51.46 | Ithato | last call for this afternoon, whether you're for or against, would anyone like their voice to be heard (and quoted on a UI blog www.nostockui.com) regarding the new addon policy? |
| 17:51.59 | alestane | Rebooting |
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| 17:53.04 | malreth | Fisker-: the part where he kicks the dog... so wrong... but so funny |
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| 17:53.35 | malreth | You can quote me for an interview |
| 17:53.58 | kamdis | advises Ithato to run and hide from malreth. |
| 17:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, hate my sideways-grand-boss. |
| 17:54.09 | |Jelly| | Incoming accusation of being a troll. |
| 17:54.15 | Lunessa | Fisker-: That is pretty funny, but so wrong. |
| 17:54.51 | malreth | This is great... I don't even have to *say* anything and I already have a reaction |
| 17:54.57 | malreth | time for lunch |
| 17:55.37 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 17:56.49 | Corey|School | afk |
| 17:57.06 | Arrowmaster | i think i have a class starting in 5 minutes..... |
| 17:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | You think? You don't know? |
| 17:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | Is this a nighmare? |
| 17:58.02 | Arrowmaster | i signed up for extra classes this quarter to commit insurance frod |
| 17:58.10 | Ithato | alright, have a good afternoon/evening/whatever's appropriate locally, everyone |
| 17:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster. *laugh* |
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| 18:04.32 | Aelobin | Lopeppeppyyyyyyyyyy |
| 18:05.29 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Aelobin. |
| 18:05.35 | Aelobin | howdy xD |
| 18:08.16 | malreth | this Diet Coke is about as diametrically opposite as possible to the Chocolate Frosty that I actually wanted |
| 18:09.16 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: is it also almost, but not entirely, completely unlike tea? |
| 18:10.16 | Lunessa | And do you know why the bowl of petunias said "Oh no, not again." ? |
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| 18:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | actually. i do. |
| 18:11.44 | Lopeppeppy | wants a chocolate frosty too. |
| 18:11.47 | Syzgyn | So my GM had a kid, and one of my guildies made this http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww154/suchtragedy/jacobgif1.gif |
| 18:12.34 | Lunessa | Syzgyn: so wrong. |
| 18:12.38 | Syzgyn | hahaha |
| 18:13.37 | malreth | that's not wrong |
| 18:13.45 | malreth | this is wrong --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZXP03W8-AM |
| 18:14.05 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21561 |
| 18:14.09 | foxlit | it must be april 1st somewhere |
| 18:14.40 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: dear lord.. |
| 18:15.41 | foxlit | loot frames et al aren't protected, right? (just require hardware input) |
| 18:16.17 | NightHawkTheSane | right |
| 18:17.48 | mikma | that mod must be scytheblade1 with april 1st -alias |
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| 18:19.18 | foxlit | Then it's time to get scheming |
| 18:19.39 | mikma | your alias will bee pooplit |
| 18:19.40 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1 wouldn't do such a thing. |
| 18:19.41 | Lunessa | malreth: THAT WAS SO WRONG |
| 18:19.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ev-ar |
| 18:20.02 | mikma | that's not wrong |
| 18:20.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1 would do all KINDS of things |
| 18:20.05 | mikma | that's FUNNY! |
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| 18:20.29 | JackBurton7676 | what is better bagon or ark inventory? |
| 18:20.34 | durcyn | bagnon> |
| 18:20.37 | mikma | bacon! |
| 18:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | bacon. |
| 18:20.45 | NightHawkTheSane | bacon > bagnon + arkinventory |
| 18:21.03 | Lopeppeppy | ... chocolate > bacon > all |
| 18:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:21.17 | DWSR | where can I find this....bacon? |
| 18:21.17 | JackBurton7676 | cowtip and tiptac also work in harmony? |
| 18:21.20 | durcyn | chocolate + bacon. the end. |
| 18:21.47 | NightHawkTheSane | the real question is: chocolate covered bacon? or bacon flavored chocolate? |
| 18:21.53 | mikma | baconated chocolate |
| 18:21.56 | DWSR | ^ |
| 18:23.03 | kamdis | best chocolate bar i've had in a long while: http://www.vosgeschocolate.com/product/bacon_exotic_candy_bar/exotic_candy_bars |
| 18:24.49 | Lopeppeppy | JackBurton7676, why do you want two tooltip mods? |
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| 18:25.32 | Lunessa | Bacon + Chocolate? Throw in a glass of whiskey and naked women and life would be complete. |
| 18:25.56 | Lopeppeppy | Dont' forget the heart doctor, Lunessa. |
| 18:26.15 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I expect to die suddenly, but very, very happy. |
| 18:26.31 | Guest97482 | is there a Blizzard method to get a color from a spell school, or is every addon expected to have its own set of school colors ? |
| 18:30.51 | Lunessa | Guest97482: I'm not sure I understand your question? Spell's effects are colored based on their models and the programmed particle effects. |
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| 18:31.14 | durcyn | pretty sure he means text of the spell name by the school, i.e. red = fire, purple = shadow |
| 18:31.36 | durcyn | i see a "Color By School" combat log option, but not a function to actually return a color |
| 18:31.44 | Exawatt | Friend of mine broke his hearthstone: http://tinyurl.com/dyhhfv |
| 18:31.55 | Guest97482 | In the combat log, yes they are automatically colored based on school, but how do I get access to those colors for my addon, so I can set the color of a status bar based on the school of a spell cast ? |
| 18:32.16 | Guest97482 | there does not seem to be anything like GetSchoolColor(school) |
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| 18:32.59 | Guest97482 | I've seen several addon implement there own set of colors, but nothing provided by Blizzard |
| 18:33.25 | durcyn | you might be able to pull it out of COMBATLOG_DEFAULT_COLORS.schoolColoring |
| 18:33.39 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting that is a movie and not a picture, Exawatt. I didn't download it, however. |
| 18:33.51 | Exawatt | It is indeed a movie. |
| 18:33.55 | Exawatt | Of him flying around the continent. |
| 18:33.57 | durcyn | since the C_L_E_U SPELL_CAST event includes the 'school' flag as an arg |
| 18:37.50 | Exawatt | I'll upload it to YouTube so it doesn't seem so shady. |
| 18:39.29 | Guest97482 | curcyn: thanks, that worked |
| 18:39.36 | Guest97482 | durcyn: thanks |
| 18:41.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'd watch a youtube video much more readily, it's true. |
| 18:43.07 | Exawatt | Almost uploaded. |
| 18:43.38 | Exawatt | Lopeppeppy: I understand. WMV isn't exactly a "safe" file type. |
| 18:43.41 | PProvost | So... if Noblegarden starts April 12, and if 3.1 has new NG achievements, I guess patch is next Tuesday? |
| 18:44.03 | Lopeppeppy | PProvost, they did say they'd delay noblegarden if they needed to, for the patch. |
| 18:44.14 | Lopeppeppy | delay/extend/etc. |
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| 18:46.34 | malreth | i have trouble delaying and extending things sometimes |
| 18:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | I hear thinking about baseball helps. |
| 18:47.19 | Lunessa | stifles laughter. |
| 18:47.45 | malreth | I could always get a Stamina Pillow |
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| 18:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, too expensive. A bowl of ice water is also supposed to be groovy |
| 18:49.53 | zenzelezz | stamina pillows... now that reminds me of the lucrative lowbie market in Anarchy Online. "WTS 2xConcrete Cushion 300k!" |
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| 18:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | cement shoes |
| 18:50.22 | malreth | bowl of ice water? won't that cause an unpleasant sensation upon re-entry? |
| 18:50.40 | Lopeppeppy | *no comment* |
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| 18:51.32 | Lunessa | malreth: for issues with extension and delay they make no less than three medications, on of which lasts 36 hours. |
| 18:52.06 | malreth | wow.. I don't even have enough vacation time banked to take full advantage of that |
| 18:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | And contact Lunessa if you have a condition lasting 4 or more hours. |
| 18:52.37 | Lunessa | No. Don't see me. Consult a medical professional. |
| 18:52.49 | Lopeppeppy | See? That's what he says. |
| 18:52.50 | malreth | my wife already knows how to deal with that |
| 18:52.58 | Lunessa | malreth: Are you going to the HEART conference? |
| 18:53.00 | Lopeppeppy | Cleaver |
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| 18:53.25 | cog|work | Cleave is an interesting word in that it has two synonyms which are antonyms of each other |
| 18:53.30 | cog|work | adhere and separate |
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| 18:54.00 | malreth | she's a pharm. tech. she gets calls on that issue with alarming frequency |
| 18:54.13 | zenzelezz | so that's how you met |
| 18:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | Zing! |
| 18:54.48 | Exawatt | Video partially done processing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA58h6BgbNU |
| 18:55.02 | malreth | Lunessa: i'll bite... what's the HEART conference? |
| 18:55.33 | malreth | the story of how we met is rather humorous, actually |
| 18:55.52 | Lunessa | IT conference for Universities. Held at A&M. |
| 18:55.52 | Lunessa | www.heartoftexas.tamu.edu |
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| 18:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, that page does not resolve. How very. |
| 18:57.18 | malreth | remove the www. |
| 18:57.25 | malreth | Lunessa: no... not going |
| 18:57.31 | Lunessa | Yeah, my bad. |
| 18:57.39 | malreth | it was probably obvious based on my previous question |
| 18:57.54 | Lunessa | fingers added it, brain didn't catch it. |
| 18:58.43 | Lunessa | Well, letting a cute girl stick you with needles while watching animae is amusing ... |
| 18:58.53 | malreth | not quite my expertise, actually |
| 18:59.02 | malreth | we have a networking and telecom group |
| 18:59.21 | malreth | they might be sending someone, tho, since we have a huge wireless network |
| 18:59.43 | Lunessa | I'm going for the morning session on mobile computing. |
| 19:00.19 | malreth | 802.1x protocol, RADIUS, etc. etc... |
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| 19:00.43 | malreth | don't think they're too concerned with roaming from AP to AP, tho |
| 19:01.03 | malreth | since most users are laptops and aren't walking around with them |
| 19:01.29 | malreth | my iphone picks up and drops connections as i walk around within range of buildings |
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| 19:02.00 | malreth | kinda annoying... i'll have to shut off wifi and use 3G if i'm outside for too long |
| 19:02.10 | DWSR | malreth: I frequently walk around with my laptop on streamng stuff. |
| 19:02.18 | DWSR | I wish there was a way to seamlessly change APs |
| 19:02.25 | malreth | DWSR: then you're a freak and you deserve what you get |
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| 19:02.45 | DWSR | malreth: Hardly. They have to solve the problem of AP handoffs eventually for the WiMax networks. |
| 19:03.03 | cog|work | ~malreth |
| 19:03.04 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 19:03.14 | cog|work | ~malreth |
| 19:03.14 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 19:03.18 | malreth | hahah! |
| 19:03.19 | cog|work | ~literal malreth |
| 19:03.19 | purl | "malreth" is "(<reply>never take malreth seriously|<reply>malreth is always right)" |
| 19:03.19 | DWSR | It's going to get solved eventually, and in fact I believe that there are already ways to deal with it. It's just that they require a rather large amount of overhead. |
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| 19:03.37 | cog|work | ~fail RNG |
| 19:03.46 | malreth | cog|work: no |
| 19:03.55 | Shefki | ~lart cog|work |
| 19:03.55 | purl | tries to shut cog|work up |
| 19:04.14 | Shefki | Looks to me like the RNG is working perfectly today. |
| 19:04.15 | Lunessa | malreth: We have a growing issue with that for iPhones here on campus - but for the most part it works without too much trouble. |
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| 19:04.57 | DWSR | It's solvable. |
| 19:05.04 | DWSR | Just not without some work from sysadmins |
| 19:05.12 | Arrowmaster | i used to walk around and switch between 802.11b access points at my old schools campus without issues |
| 19:05.45 | durcyn | fuck iphones, they make my dhcp logs look like shit. |
| 19:05.57 | DWSR | haha |
| 19:06.01 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Were you streaming? |
| 19:06.08 | Shefki | durcyn: What's what? |
| 19:06.09 | malreth | the problem we have is there's a separate DHCP pool for each building |
| 19:06.10 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: We're talking about uninterupted service. |
| 19:06.22 | Shefki | s/What's/Why's/ |
| 19:06.30 | Shefki | Ugh |
| 19:06.31 | Arrowmaster | streaming didnt really work well on that network for other reasons |
| 19:06.41 | malreth | they'd have to change it to be a mega-pool for all WAPs on campus |
| 19:06.43 | Shefki | Thoughts not coming out of fingers right. |
| 19:06.45 | Arrowmaster | like that it was only two T1s for over 2000 people |
| 19:06.45 | Shefki | Why's that? |
| 19:06.51 | Lunessa | You know what's funny? my damned Windows Mobile phone won't allow me to connect properly to our 802.11x netowrk - /facepalm |
| 19:06.58 | durcyn | purl: four DHCPREQUESTs every time they associate |
| 19:07.01 | durcyn | er Shefki |
| 19:07.13 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yeah, but I'm talking about seamless handoffs between APs. Currently possible, but tedius |
| 19:07.17 | Shefki | Why are the doing 4 DHCPREQUESTS? |
| 19:07.20 | DWSR | s/tedius/tedious/ |
| 19:07.42 | durcyn | Shefki: fuck if i know, even with valid ACKs it'll soemtimes do a discover after that too |
| 19:08.02 | Shefki | Weird. |
| 19:08.12 | cog|work | ~lart the forums |
| 19:08.12 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags the forums into court suing for $200 million |
| 19:10.14 | malreth | ~panchira cog|work |
| 19:10.25 | malreth | ... |
| 19:10.46 | cog|work | malreth-- |
| 19:10.56 | cog|work | ~malreth-- |
| 19:10.56 | malreth | ~karma malreth |
| 19:10.56 | purl | malreth has karma of -1 |
| 19:11.36 | DWSR | Man, I can't wait for ME2 |
| 19:12.44 | kamdis | ~cog|work++ |
| 19:13.06 | cog|work | kamdis: Shoap has made me /stabface for years and now i can't respond! QQ |
| 19:13.17 | kamdis | why not? |
| 19:13.22 | cog|work | forums won't let me log in |
| 19:13.30 | kamdis | NOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 19:13.45 | kamdis | i still forget my forum mantra every day :( |
| 19:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | chants like the monks from Monty Python. |
| 19:14.28 | cog|work | yeah, there's this little problem of persistence... we can't just let these threads fill up with unaddressed idiocy :P |
| 19:14.52 | kamdis | I don't really like my last repoly to him. the morally wrong example was not what i was looking for, but I couldn't come up with what I was actually looking to say. |
| 19:15.13 | kamdis | eh, whatever |
| 19:15.24 | kamdis | he can lecture me on "proper argument formation" all he likes. |
| 19:15.46 | kamdis | I'd wager I've had more training in that area than he, but these are forums, not a court or classroom. |
| 19:16.24 | Lunessa | They're the Court of Moronic Opinion! |
| 19:16.32 | Thunder_Child | do you hit yourself in the head as well Lopeppeppy? |
| 19:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | TC, only when you're not available to hit instead. |
| 19:17.00 | malreth | i could have sworn i had that command set... |
| 19:17.04 | malreth | ~panchira kamdis |
| 19:17.06 | cog|work | pie jesu domine... dona eis requiem *THWACK* |
| 19:17.10 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, must be a lot then |
| 19:17.32 | DWSR | Ackis: I heart you |
| 19:18.09 | malreth | purl, scone cog|work |
| 19:18.33 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i remember there being scone |
| 19:18.39 | *** join/#wowuidev kluge (n=dsquare@S0106001b1168ce28.va.shawcable.net) |
| 19:18.41 | malreth | literal cmd: scone (.*?) |
| 19:18.45 | malreth | doh |
| 19:18.53 | malreth | ~literal cmd: scone (.*?) |
| 19:18.53 | purl | "cmd: scone (.*?)" is "($1): <reply>$1 is( not | not | not | not | not | )a scone." |
| 19:18.54 | kamdis | ~fail malreth |
| 19:18.59 | Lopeppeppy | TC, I made a voodoo doll, I can hit you whenever. |
| 19:19.03 | kluge | i have 1 issue. i install perfectraid and then when i join a regular group i dont get the portraits |
| 19:19.06 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, sweet |
| 19:19.17 | kluge | and i dont get perfect raid interface until i convert to raid |
| 19:19.20 | Lunessa | There is no scone. Only try to remember it is not you that eats the scone, but the scone that eats you. |
| 19:19.33 | cog|work | kluge: have you read its docs? |
| 19:19.35 | DWSR | THE SCONE IS A LIE |
| 19:19.45 | kamdis | and a tarp |
| 19:19.48 | cog|work | or looked through its options? |
| 19:19.51 | cog|work | before asking? |
| 19:20.05 | kluge | i looked in interface but didnt see an options gui. id better check docs for commands |
| 19:20.16 | kluge | just wasnt sure if its a simple obvious answer or w/e |
| 19:20.19 | DWSR | kamdis: Trap? |
| 19:20.32 | Thunder_Child | malreth, fix panchira.....or i can |
| 19:20.40 | cog|work | kluge: the simple/obvious answers are the ones least worth asking imo ;) |
| 19:20.44 | Lunessa | Admiral Akbar! It's a TRAP. |
| 19:20.49 | malreth | ~literal cmd: panchira (.*?) |
| 19:20.49 | purl | "cmd: panchira (.*?)" is "($n): <action>flips $n's skirt up. Ooh... (White. How typical|Blue spots|Koala print|Panda print. Kawaii|Cherry print|Striped|Puppy paw print|Kitten paw print|Yellow|Blue|Pink|Black. Sexy|Flowers|Hearts. How lovely)!" |
| 19:20.58 | cog|work | kluge: ignore me ... i'm just a smart ass |
| 19:21.13 | Fisker- | i am unstoppable |
| 19:21.35 | cog|work | kluge: the very first line on the download page after the basic description of the mod is: "Use /praid to open the configuration GUI." |
| 19:21.35 | kluge | its all good cog, ill check the docs at least before i ask |
| 19:21.39 | kluge | again |
| 19:21.39 | kamdis | DWSR: Yes, it's the "interwebzed" version of It's a Trap! |
| 19:21.40 | kluge | hehe |
| 19:22.07 | malreth | did something change in the last few months on commands? |
| 19:22.53 | DWSR | ~panchira |
| 19:23.01 | Thunder_Child | malreth. why do you have the variable in ()? |
| 19:23.03 | foxlit | ~panchira you fool |
| 19:23.37 | Syzgyn | ~lart purl |
| 19:23.37 | purl | moos at syzgyn |
| 19:23.47 | cog|work | can anyone recommend a decent pair of stereo bluetooth headphones? |
| 19:24.38 | DWSR | no |
| 19:24.40 | malreth | purl, no scone $1 is <reply>$1 is( not | not | not | not | not | )a scone. |
| 19:24.41 | purl | malreth: i already had it that way |
| 19:24.46 | DWSR | Decent and bluetooth and mutually exclusive. |
| 19:24.55 | DWSR | s/and m/are m/ |
| 19:24.55 | malreth | purl, forget scone |
| 19:24.55 | purl | i didn't have anything called 'scone' to forget, malreth |
| 19:24.55 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, I have a logitech set that I do well with. |
| 19:25.21 | malreth | purl, forget cmd: scone (.*?) |
| 19:25.21 | purl | i forgot cmd: scone (.*?), malreth |
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| 19:25.36 | malreth | purl, scone $1 is <reply>$1 is( not | not | not | not | not | )a scone. |
| 19:25.36 | purl | malreth: okay |
| 19:25.44 | malreth | ~scone me |
| 19:26.04 | Thunder_Child | fail malreth |
| 19:26.06 | malreth | ~botsmack |
| 19:26.06 | purl | OWW! |
| 19:26.21 | malreth | i only hit you because i love you, purl |
| 19:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke malreth |
| 19:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | Did she forget her whale set? How sad. |
| 19:26.58 | kamdis | ~fail purl |
| 19:27.08 | kamdis | she's forgotten a lot it seems :( |
| 19:27.10 | malreth | i think purl needs a vacation |
| 19:27.14 | Lopeppeppy | Poor girl. |
| 19:27.27 | malreth | ~literal cmd: whalenuke (.*?) |
| 19:27.27 | purl | "cmd: whalenuke (.*?)" is "($n): <action> dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around $n with his mind powers." |
| 19:27.38 | Lunessa | Did you know, if you listen to fools, the mob rules? |
| 19:27.39 | kamdis | hmm |
| 19:27.41 | malreth | it's there... they're just not processing |
| 19:27.47 | kamdis | interesting |
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| 19:27.59 | Wraithan | ~whalenuke kamdis |
| 19:28.01 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 19:28.02 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:28.03 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: did you see? they talk about balancing of range and melee dps on hodir in the test schedule =) |
| 19:28.13 | Thunder_Child | but not the non var's works just fine |
| 19:28.14 | cog|work | #infobot imo |
| 19:29.00 | Thunder_Child | you dont get an opnion forum boy |
| 19:29.03 | *** join/#wowuidev [1]Morril (i=Morril@d193-237-246.home3.cgocable.net) |
| 19:29.18 | malreth | oh... I see what the problem is |
| 19:29.34 | malreth | infobot's written in Perl. no wonder it sucks. |
| 19:29.41 | DWSR | ~lart malreth |
| 19:29.41 | purl | slaps malreth upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 19:31.13 | kamdis | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 19:31.19 | kamdis | :| |
| 19:31.28 | Lopeppeppy | hugs kamdis and purl. |
| 19:31.32 | Thunder_Child | lart is part of the core programing |
| 19:31.36 | kamdis | ah |
| 19:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | Whales were taught to her later? |
| 19:32.04 | Thunder_Child | ~literal CMD: whaleslap (.*?) |
| 19:32.05 | purl | "cmd: whaleslap (.*?)" is "($foo): <action> beats $foo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh" |
| 19:32.06 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 19:32.09 | malreth | it's Nature vs. Nurture |
| 19:32.14 | Thunder_Child | otherwise it wont return anythin |
| 19:32.15 | Thunder_Child | g |
| 19:32.26 | Thunder_Child | ~literal CMD: lart (.*?) |
| 19:32.26 | purl | "cmd: lart (.*?)" is "($1): shut up $1" |
| 19:32.34 | malreth | by nature, purl is violent. we've nurtured her into how she is violent. |
| 19:32.37 | Thunder_Child | well the proper lart isnt a factoid |
| 19:32.47 | malreth | ~help lart |
| 19:33.54 | Lunessa | I'd hate to sound like I'm advocating violence, but it's always worked for me. |
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| 19:34.06 | malreth | aw crap... http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-on-your-tv-2009-3 |
| 19:34.11 | bleeter | ~lart Lunessa |
| 19:34.11 | purl | farts in Lunessa's general direction |
| 19:34.25 | malreth | this is just like when white people started using the phrase, "da bomb" |
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| 19:35.05 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: what are you talking about, twitter on my tv would be da bomb! |
| 19:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 19:35.16 | Lopeppeppy | dies a little inside |
| 19:35.25 | malreth | takes a can opener to NightHawkTheSane's head |
| 19:36.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 19:36.28 | cog|work | fires up some fava beans |
| 19:36.32 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5192475/good-lord-you-people-are-all-slobs |
| 19:36.49 | Lunessa | ... twitter on TV just proves that Lowest Common Denominators are additive. |
| 19:37.39 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: lol... that all looks eerily familiar :P |
| 19:37.54 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, same >.< |
| 19:38.18 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:38.54 | Arrowmaster | i still dont understand whats so great about twitter |
| 19:39.13 | Lopeppeppy | Not much. |
| 19:39.20 | cog|work | I've got an aura of miscellaneous paperwork surrounding the plastic pad my chair rolls around on... and then there's the desk... |
| 19:39.40 | Arrowmaster | this is why i will never become a dot com millionair |
| 19:39.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i agree, you people ARE all slobs. |
| 19:39.56 | Arrowmaster | i dislike everything 'web 2.0' |
| 19:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? |
| 19:40.09 | foxlit | You will twitt, and you'll like it! |
| 19:40.11 | Lopeppeppy | TC linked that, not me, go beat him him. |
| 19:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, my bad. |
| 19:40.24 | DWSR | ~panchira |
| 19:40.25 | Thunder_Child | hides |
| 19:40.29 | DWSR | ~panchira Thunder_Child |
| 19:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | For once I'm innocent! |
| 19:40.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i agree, you ARE all slobs :P |
| 19:40.44 | foxlit | (also, I've upgraded your web to 3.1. No need to thank me, your bill is in the mail) |
| 19:41.10 | cog|work | foxlit: is 3.11 internet for workgroups? |
| 19:41.18 | Thunder_Child | will a link to the 2009 Sports Illustrated Swim Suit Show make you feel better NightHawkTheSane? |
| 19:41.26 | foxlit | indeed it is, cog, indeed it is |
| 19:41.28 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: rofl |
| 19:43.34 | DWSR | You know what's fucking stupid? People who ask to share the Victory in WG quest before the battle starts. |
| 19:43.45 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5190768/10-of-the-worlds-smallest-gadgets |
| 19:45.17 | DWSR | http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/nanotechnology/Sciences-new-big-idea-means.2438301.jp |
| 19:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | When should they properly share it, DWSR? |
| 19:45.39 | End | when it lets you share it |
| 19:45.52 | End | it's not shareable unless the battle has started |
| 19:46.04 | Thunder_Child | hahahaha, http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/Microsoftmonsterball.jpg |
| 19:46.39 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: What end said. |
| 19:46.43 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Good information to have, End. Usually, quests are best shared *before* starting whatever the quest entails. |
| 19:46.44 | foxlit | aren't those octopuses horribly impractical? |
| 19:46.56 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, but this has been like this for months now. |
| 19:47.07 | Thunder_Child | not if the rules change |
| 19:47.21 | Lopeppeppy | Squids could be awesome if there weren't dribbling rules.... |
| 19:47.36 | foxlit | they don't look like they can actually balance |
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| 19:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sure they can, it's just more fluid than 2 foots. |
| 19:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: meh |
| 19:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: what wouldn't I do? |
| 19:50.23 | DWSR | there any bag mods that do the same thing as Ark? |
| 19:50.28 | DWSR | But don't suck quite so hard? |
| 19:50.36 | DWSR | And by suck, I mean CPU cycles. |
| 19:50.50 | malreth | Baggins |
| 19:50.52 | durcyn | combuctor, perhaps. |
| 19:51.04 | [draco] | combuctor is great |
| 19:51.06 | DWSR | I'm specifically looking for the ability to break the window into sections |
| 19:51.12 | Thunder_Child | http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1285 |
| 19:51.16 | [draco] | not combuctor, then |
| 19:51.28 | DWSR | And have the ability to put items of a type into said section |
| 19:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | baggins is probably the only other mod that does that. |
| 19:51.48 | [draco] | yeah |
| 19:54.06 | DWSR | baggins is outdated and broken aparently. |
| 19:54.15 | alestane | Baggins works fine. |
| 19:54.22 | Arrowmaster | theres a good reason not many addons do that |
| 19:54.28 | Arrowmaster | its highly complex |
| 19:54.35 | alestane | You just need to install the latest version of LibPeriodicTable. |
| 19:54.40 | DWSR | alestane: okies |
| 19:54.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 19:54.50 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yeah, and I don't care. It's still awesome |
| 19:55.44 | alestane | I use Baggins faithfully. The core code in the most current version on Curse still works for me...updating the libraries will keep its lists of which items go in which categories up-to-date. |
| 19:56.07 | DWSR | alestane: Can I create a custom list of items to go into a section? |
| 19:56.17 | Wraithan | I use bagnon |
| 19:56.23 | cog|work | isn't ark based on eng? |
| 19:56.26 | alestane | I think so, I've never needed to control it that finely. |
| 19:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: yes. baggins cna do pretty much anything, if you put enough time into it |
| 19:56.48 | End | ark doesn't share any code, but yes, it's based on eng's design |
| 19:56.50 | DWSR | As long as I'm not writing Lua, cool |
| 19:57.22 | cog|work | End: ah... i thought it may have been derivative |
| 19:57.30 | cog|work | <3 TBag-Shefki |
| 19:58.11 | DWSR | Is it just me or does WoW's engine seem....really CPU heavy? |
| 19:58.21 | Lopeppeppy | Wow does tax a computer quite strongly. |
| 19:58.30 | alestane | Once I get through this quarter, I'd like to get back to writing Pocketses. |
| 19:58.31 | DWSR | just CPU though? |
| 19:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | Video card as well, pretty heavy graphics load. |
| 19:59.09 | Thunder_Child | it taxes ram more than most games |
| 19:59.12 | DWSR | I'm finding my CPU is my performance bottleneck on WoW, but my GPU is on others |
| 19:59.19 | Thunder_Child | wow uses 1.4GB of ram for me |
| 19:59.49 | alestane | WoW's graphic load is pretty scalable...it drops video features on lighter-duty machines, or that's my impression anyway. |
| 19:59.58 | Legorol | RAM is the bottleneck for me on systems with only 1 Gb |
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| 20:00.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:00.18 | Legorol | alestane: only if you are not greedy and don't turn up the video settings on a crappy machine |
| 20:00.27 | nevcairiel | yeah the gfx engine is pretty adaptable |
| 20:00.32 | DWSR | Legorol: Yeah, I'm going to get more RAM for this machine ASAP |
| 20:00.40 | DWSR | tbh, the Source engine is better than WoW's though |
| 20:00.50 | nevcairiel | but the CPU is usuaully always the bottleneck for WoW |
| 20:00.51 | alestane | Legorol: I've found the only settings I really want higher than it's defaults are texture resolution and projected textures. |
| 20:01.24 | Wraithan | The CPU being the bottle neck makes it so it is not as graphics card dependant |
| 20:01.54 | DWSR | Wraithan: But I'd like it to be more GPU dependent. It would give better performance since GPUs are optimized for their job. |
| 20:02.15 | alestane | One of Blizzard's goals has been to allow WoW to run playably on a wider variety of systems. |
| 20:02.19 | Wraithan | DWSR: wider audience or prettier graphics? |
| 20:02.26 | Legorol | what alestane said. and they succeeded |
| 20:02.30 | Wraithan | Bliz is going for more money |
| 20:02.44 | nevcairiel | The graphics isnt bad |
| 20:02.55 | cog|work | imo the biggest CPU bottleneck in WoW is transferring textures to the video card. |
| 20:03.01 | Wraithan | I got a buddy that plays on a system with a 64mb onboard videocard |
| 20:03.17 | cog|work | unlike FPS where you have a bunch of the same models in the same outfits, wow can have several dozen people in close proximity without a single shared texture between them |
| 20:03.41 | DWSR | Wraithan: You can do both |
| 20:04.16 | Thunder_Child | if wow starts using the ability to shift processing over to the GPU that will work dynamicly for systems with good GPU's |
| 20:04.39 | DWSR | Which is something that the Source engine does, I believe. |
| 20:04.57 | nevcairiel | the Source engine was designed for FPS games |
| 20:05.16 | DWSR | Doesn't mean it can't apply to other forms of games. |
| 20:05.41 | nevcairiel | No, but it wouldn't perform that good as you expect it to in your FPS. |
| 20:06.00 | DWSR | Oh, I understand that it's a different set of requirements for MMOs. |
| 20:06.09 | DWSR | Since you get a lot more variety of textures |
| 20:06.27 | DWSR | But I find it to be more of a quality vs. quantity problem. |
| 20:06.37 | DWSR | FPSes have a much higher quality textureset, since they have less of them to worry about |
| 20:06.52 | tekkub | OH GOD IT BURNS |
| 20:07.01 | tekkub | stupid chipotle for dinner last night |
| 20:07.02 | cog|work | DWSR: i think your problem is that your idea of quality isn't the same as blizzard's |
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| 20:07.10 | cog|work | they WANTED wow to look somewhat cartoonish |
| 20:07.20 | DWSR | cog|work: TF2 looks cartoonish |
| 20:07.26 | DWSR | WoW looks outdated, IMO. |
| 20:07.28 | NeoTron | the benefit of "somewhat cartoonish" is that it looks less fake |
| 20:07.33 | kamdis | but, tekkub, chipotle so good. |
| 20:07.36 | NeoTron | the closer to "real" the worse it looks |
| 20:07.37 | kamdis | totally worth it |
| 20:07.41 | NeoTron | or rather, the more noticeable the details are |
| 20:07.43 | tekkub | yes, yes it is |
| 20:07.57 | nevcairiel | The WoW engine is pretty fast for its job, and the quality is decent. Sure, textures could be higher resolutin, and models could've more vertexes, but that would really increase its memory usage, and even moreso the required data to move between RAM and Video RAM |
| 20:08.00 | DWSR | I'm not asking for a complete graphical overhaul, but updating some of the vanilla textures would be nice. |
| 20:08.25 | DWSR | With settings cranked, the game does look fairly nice. :) |
| 20:08.28 | nevcairiel | If you want photo-reality, wow is not for you |
| 20:08.28 | cog|work | DWSR: there's also the intended nostalgia towards WC3 |
| 20:08.41 | cog|work | it's supposed to look like what came before |
| 20:08.47 | DWSR | nevcairiel: No, I don't. |
| 20:08.47 | cog|work | s/look like/build upon/ |
| 20:08.59 | cog|work | if tehy made it look like tf2 it wouldn't be warcraft |
| 20:09.03 | DWSR | No. |
| 20:09.20 | DWSR | I'm just pointing out that cartoonish can be done....more high quality. |
| 20:09.27 | Codayus | It would be nice to see, say, Stormwind and Ironforge updated to Dalaran level of modeling, texturing, details, etc. |
| 20:09.31 | Legorol | WoW has a unique look which is in no small part responsible for its success. |
| 20:09.36 | cog|work | and do you realize how many "some" is in "some of the vanilla textures" ? |
| 20:09.44 | nevcairiel | Codayus: i rather have them work on new content, personally =P |
| 20:09.52 | Legorol | Whilst modern, semi-realistic, high-detail 3D graphics might have appeal to computer nerds, it probably wouldn't draw in as many people as WoW has |
| 20:09.57 | End | the textures themselves are -really- cartoony, but when it comes down to it, I don't think it really looks that cartoony at all |
| 20:10.06 | Codayus | nevcairiel: Same, actually. But in a perfect world with infinite resources, it'd be nice, no? :-) |
| 20:10.07 | Legorol | WoW turned many non-gamers into gamers, and the fantasy setting + cutesy graphics definitely helped. |
| 20:10.07 | cog|work | they'd need to spend many thousands of man-hours to re-do enough to make a significant difference. |
| 20:10.19 | Arrowmaster | wow had extremely good graphics when it came out compared to other mmos |
| 20:10.32 | Legorol | it still has extremely good graphics |
| 20:10.44 | Legorol | i believe that in the niche that WoW tries to occupy, it looks outstanding |
| 20:10.45 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 20:10.55 | DWSR | Allies grabbed WG with 15 seconds left. |
| 20:10.55 | foxlit | WoW needs better trees. |
| 20:10.55 | Legorol | I always find new zones breathtaking when i see them in betas. |
| 20:11.05 | End | foxlit: ok, truth |
| 20:11.08 | End | although |
| 20:11.11 | Arrowmaster | average compared to decent budget mmos, but yeah still better than low budget mmos |
| 20:11.15 | End | northrend trees are okay |
| 20:11.19 | End | duskwood are terrible |
| 20:11.20 | Legorol | foxlit: WoW has amazing trees. Have you ever looked at a forest? Every tree looks different, and not just a copy/paste |
| 20:11.23 | cog|work | foxlit: procedural generation ftw! |
| 20:11.25 | nevcairiel | How many people would really "be happy" if they spent a whole content patch redoing vanilla textures, instead of working on new content? |
| 20:11.29 | DWSR | Legorol: In Northrend. |
| 20:11.29 | nevcairiel | Like, 1% ? :D |
| 20:11.48 | foxlit | Legorol: have you ever looked at an old-world tree, up close? |
| 20:11.55 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I would be happy if they did the texture update as they were updating Azeroth to work with fucking flying mounts |
| 20:12.01 | foxlit | The branches are flat and composed of huge squares. |
| 20:12.03 | DWSR | Flying needs to happen in Azeroth, FPs are just retarded. |
| 20:12.05 | foxlit | It's not a pretty sight! |
| 20:12.13 | End | hm |
| 20:12.14 | bleeter | Legorol: but have you noticed how there's only one tree in the entire WoW universe whose limbs/branches move in the wind |
| 20:12.15 | Legorol | foxlit: yes i know, but i don't tend to press my nose up against them :D |
| 20:12.18 | foxlit | (The Northrend trees win by the virtue of you never having to bother with that angle) |
| 20:12.32 | End | well, northrend trees are all firs and whatnot |
| 20:12.33 | foxlit | I do think they did something to make them less atrocious. |
| 20:12.44 | End | or, trees without leaves I guess? |
| 20:13.05 | foxlit | Something of the style |
| 20:13.14 | bleeter | I wish I were Tex Perkins. He eats roots and leaves. |
| 20:13.19 | nevcairiel | DWSR: same question, how many players would be happy with that? How many 70+ people really go that often back to Kalimdor or EK to notice? |
| 20:13.21 | nevcairiel | Not many. |
| 20:13.26 | End | still, I think duskwood has the worst trees, but that's probably like the third zone they made |
| 20:13.28 | foxlit | Bushes aren't too impressive, either. It'd be awesome to see better grass. |
| 20:13.43 | DWSR | The AB bushes have hardfail. |
| 20:13.56 | DWSR | In NR I can hide my DT in a bush |
| 20:13.57 | DWSR | AB, no. |
| 20:14.07 | bleeter | nevcairiel: how many new customers notice how crap EK and Kalimdor are, compared to other '3d world' product offerings by other companies |
| 20:14.11 | Codayus | In terms of resource priortization, I'd put lvl 80 heroic Deadmines WAAY above any graphic revamps... |
| 20:14.23 | cog|work | ^ |
| 20:14.26 | DWSR | Codayus: Why? They just flip like 3 switches. |
| 20:14.37 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: EK and kalimdor are still better looking than low budget mmos |
| 20:14.38 | bleeter | cog|work: heroic RFC B4 Heroic VC |
| 20:14.43 | Codayus | DWSR: Even less excuse not to do it now then! :-p |
| 20:14.47 | nevcairiel | bleeter: how does redoing the whole world to make it flyable and not exploitable help the new guy? :D |
| 20:14.50 | cog|work | heroic gnomeregan b4 * |
| 20:14.54 | DWSR | omg. |
| 20:14.55 | DWSR | No. |
| 20:15.01 | DWSR | Gnomer should be banned from the game. |
| 20:15.17 | foxlit | gnomes just need some damn story progression |
| 20:15.19 | foxlit | trolls, too |
| 20:15.21 | kamdis | I...like Gnomeregan. :( |
| 20:15.26 | cog|work | ^ |
| 20:15.27 | DWSR | Gnomer needs less fail |
| 20:15.33 | foxlit | let's send them both to their respective low-level zones. |
| 20:15.33 | kamdis | Gnomer is awesome. |
| 20:15.37 | nevcairiel | bleeter: if you play the game for the first time, its still pretty impressive. I like most of the starting zones |
| 20:15.39 | kamdis | alarm bots rule. |
| 20:15.43 | End | trolls overall get lots of story, but it's all with other trolls eating their gods |
| 20:15.50 | Lopeppeppy | Gnomer layout stinks. I love Sunken Temple though! |
| 20:16.00 | foxlit | ST is madness |
| 20:16.07 | Codayus | bleeter: How many new customers notice (or care, if they do notice) that sort of graphic quality? "Gee, this game is great fun, but this bear has poor texturing. I'm going to go play the Conan MMO." |
| 20:16.11 | foxlit | I can never remember what's on which floor |
| 20:16.19 | foxlit | AND HALF THE TIME I CAN'T FIND THE ENTRANCE. |
| 20:16.38 | DWSR | Codayus: With a decent rig, I care about how good my games look, provided that they aren't uber for the novelity (e.g. Audiosurf, HL1). |
| 20:17.14 | bleeter | Codayus: hard core gamer friend, who I finally convinced to subscribe, said it the other day... 'man this is crap, it's like some bad 90's game'. maybe he's spoilt 'coz he's used to PS3/Xbox360 games and other high quality stuffs /shrug |
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| 20:17.41 | nevcairiel | People like that are 1%, though. |
| 20:17.42 | bleeter | I just showed him northrend and he was impressed, so there's a win |
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| 20:17.56 | DWSR | NR does look nice. |
| 20:17.57 | bleeter | nevcairiel: but that's where the word of mouth marketing happens |
| 20:18.08 | Exawatt | Can normal whispers be sent to a different server? |
| 20:18.12 | bleeter | nevcairiel: and I'll take word of mouth marketing any day over stuff in mags etc. etc. |
| 20:18.18 | bleeter | Exawatt: only in a battleground |
| 20:18.20 | Codayus | bleeter: Mmm, yeah, but the question is how many, not "do they exist at all". :-) Especially for WoW, where the draw is so heavily social, I don't see it as important. |
| 20:18.25 | nevcairiel | bleeter: because people that don't like it are generally "louder" ? :) |
| 20:18.47 | Exawatt | So SendAddonMessage works the same way? The "Name-Realm" parameter only works in battlegrounds? |
| 20:18.56 | DWSR | But considering you only spend 10 levels in NR, and you spend 70 levels in NotNorthrend, it'd be nice if it looked better. |
| 20:18.58 | bleeter | oldworld still looks like a knock up done inside a quake engine or something |
| 20:19.02 | bleeter | not some modern engine |
| 20:19.11 | bleeter | DWSR: ^^ |
| 20:19.20 | bleeter | but of course it's made for endgame!!! |
| 20:19.23 | bleeter | will say blizz |
| 20:19.30 | nevcairiel | You spend 10 levels and all the time after levelign there. |
| 20:19.33 | bleeter | to which I say 'in that case remove all <80 dungeons!' |
| 20:19.37 | nevcairiel | Also, outlands is nice, imho |
| 20:19.47 | foxlit | Repeat after me: outland. |
| 20:19.47 | DWSR | Outlands does look alright |
| 20:19.55 | foxlit | not plural! :) |
| 20:20.08 | bleeter | still |
| 20:20.13 | bleeter | the trees and grass don't move there |
| 20:20.17 | DWSR | foxlit: No, it's Outlands. There is more than one land in Outland, therefore it's Outlands./ |
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| 20:20.19 | bleeter | only in NR.. and even then only one tree |
| 20:20.34 | nevcairiel | How does grass relate to trees now? |
| 20:20.37 | nevcairiel | is confused |
| 20:20.41 | alestane | If you look at the game history, there has been an effort to improve and refine the original content, but it's slow. |
| 20:21.04 | bleeter | nevcairiel: maybe you should get out more, but usually when the wind blows, tree limbs/leaves move along with the grass |
| 20:21.06 | nevcairiel | Well of course, they try to, but they don't send their whole gfx team off to redo it all |
| 20:21.23 | foxlit | hire some more gfx guys to redo the grass. |
| 20:21.28 | foxlit | Problem solved. :) |
| 20:21.29 | DWSR | nevcairiel: tbh, it would be nice if all of the content looked the same. |
| 20:21.30 | cog|work | nevcairiel: they're both plants? |
| 20:21.35 | Codayus | Given the amount of effort it'd take to revamp Vanilla to Northrend quality...it seems pretty hard to argue with a straight face that Bliz should prioritize that over, say, adding a new quest/5-man hub to Northrend... |
| 20:21.39 | DWSR | foxlit: inorite? |
| 20:21.54 | DWSR | Codayus: Why? They have almost infinite resources. |
| 20:22.00 | cog|work | bs |
| 20:22.06 | DWSR | WoW alone brings in an absolutely stupid amount of money every month. |
| 20:22.18 | Codayus | DWSR: Resources are never infinite. What you probably mean is they have a lot of money, but that's not really relevant. |
| 20:22.19 | nevcairiel | DWSR: sure, easy, bring NR content to the vanilla level of quality, all looks the same =P |
| 20:22.21 | cog|work | and do you have any idea how much they pay out to datacenters and employees? |
| 20:22.39 | nevcairiel | I rather have a upgrade in quality for new content, instead of waiting for old content to be upgraded |
| 20:22.53 | foxlit | I'd rather have my cake *and* eat it. |
| 20:22.56 | bleeter | i'd rather see freakin dancing furbolg form |
| 20:22.58 | DWSR | cog|work: No, but from talking with my dad (who works in the industry), just doing some extremely rough estimates I would say that they have a TON of money that isn't going into WoW. |
| 20:23.18 | nevcairiel | Its going into new unreleased projects |
| 20:23.22 | nevcairiel | someone has to pay those guys too |
| 20:23.31 | Arrowmaster | well they do have two new tripple A games being worked on plus an unknown project |
| 20:23.39 | cog|work | Sure... it's going towards starcraft II, diablo III, top secret next-gen mmo, and whatever other uber secret projects they're working on |
| 20:23.43 | DWSR | Yeah, which sucks, because I pay money for WoW, not unreleased products. |
| 20:24.01 | nevcairiel | Any company does that, get with the time |
| 20:24.02 | cog|work | DWSR: lern2economics/business imo |
| 20:24.14 | Arrowmaster | get out |
| 20:24.16 | DWSR | I understand completely the rationale behind it. |
| 20:24.18 | Arrowmaster | i want my SC2 |
| 20:24.24 | DWSR | I still don't like it |
| 20:24.28 | bleeter | I'd almost bet one of the new unreleased things is 'WoW Universe' or similar. it'd there's some legacy stuff, it'd seem, inside WoW that they really can't change w/o complete overhaul. Ladies and Germs, I give you your inventory's default bag! |
| 20:24.31 | nevcairiel | How do you ever get new games if all money from the old one is spend on it? |
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| 20:24.47 | DWSR | bleeter: rofl |
| 20:24.55 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Take a loan. That's how startups do it. |
| 20:25.00 | Codayus | And, of course, while money may or may not be a limiting factor for revamping Vanilla content, it's certainly not the only one. |
| 20:25.15 | bleeter | oh, and dancing bears |
| 20:25.24 | cog|work | DWSR: it's called re-investment. |
| 20:25.31 | cog|work | they give themselves the loan |
| 20:25.32 | tekkub | Codayus: what a sec... |
| 20:25.47 | DWSR | cog|work: Yeah, but they're still screwing *me* over. |
| 20:25.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah less interest to pay back that way |
| 20:25.52 | cog|work | no |
| 20:25.53 | cog|work | they're not |
| 20:25.57 | nevcairiel | DWSR: so stop paying :) |
| 20:25.58 | tekkub | oh okey I get it now, the way you said that just read weird |
| 20:26.00 | cog|work | you're just suffering from an entitlement complex |
| 20:26.03 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I did. A long time ago. |
| 20:26.10 | nevcairiel | THen stop complaining |
| 20:26.16 | bleeter | yar, blizz seem to have been big on re-investing in themselves. given what's happened to credit lines in the past year, they've not changed their subscription rates. that demonstrates good investments and/or hedging |
| 20:26.38 | DWSR | bleeter: truth muchly. |
| 20:26.58 | Codayus | tekkub: Sorry. :-) |
| 20:27.01 | foxlit | and/or profit margins |
| 20:28.07 | tekkub | Codayus: it read like "it might or it might not, but it is and it's not the only one" |
| 20:28.26 | Codayus | *nod* |
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| 20:35.53 | DWSR | 3k DPS in my PvP spec. Awesome |
| 20:37.46 | bleeter | no NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 20:37.49 | bleeter | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7971778.stm |
| 20:40.32 | DWSR | fail |
| 20:41.32 | bleeter | MAKE IT STOP NOOO |
| 20:43.57 | malreth | that song is begging to be YTMNDed |
| 20:45.46 | Jamash | 385449 |
| 20:45.53 | Jamash | goddamn it |
| 20:46.03 | Jamash | at least it wasn't my wow password |
| 20:46.15 | cog|work | looks around innocently |
| 20:46.57 | Jamash | so I just added a feature to Learning Aid to search your action bars for spells that aren't on any of them |
| 20:47.08 | Jamash | which has already turned up two I was missing |
| 20:47.24 | DWSR | some spells don't deserve a bar slot |
| 20:47.26 | Jamash | except it finds all my hunter tracking abilities :-/ |
| 20:47.34 | Jamash | DWSR: true |
| 20:47.45 | Jamash | I'm thinking I need an "ignore" feature |
| 20:47.50 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, the new rickroll |
| 20:47.58 | alestane | Set it up so you can tell it to ignore certain spells. |
| 20:48.27 | Jamash | yah |
| 20:48.39 | Thunder_Child | Jamash, i have put my password in here so many times it's not funny |
| 20:48.52 | alestane | "I know that's not on my bar, I really don't need it there, thanks anyway." |
| 20:49.15 | Jamash | so on my DK it found I don't have AMS on a bar |
| 20:49.19 | Jamash | useful! |
| 20:49.47 | Jamash | on the other hand it also found fishing, blood presence and frost presence. Less useful. |
| 20:49.58 | Jamash | so yeah, ignore feature |
| 20:50.25 | alestane | You've learned something about usability design! |
| 20:50.31 | Jamash | yep! |
| 20:50.59 | Jamash | I think I need to bite the bullet and add a configuration page |
| 20:53.43 | bleeter | has nyone had an issue of being 'stuck' on toon selection, unable to retrieve the realm list? usually happens to me after I enter the world. wondering if anyone's seen leetworkaroundhaxors for this at all |
| 20:53.59 | bleeter | *after I enter world, play for a bit, then decide to realm hop |
| 20:54.34 | malreth | nibble on ice cream Crunch bar |
| 20:55.24 | Shefki | bleeter: Probably has something to do with the authentication server being hosed. |
| 20:55.34 | Jamash | now the low rent way to do it would be to add a slash command "/la ignore Some Spell" |
| 20:56.35 | Exawatt | bleeter: I get that sometimes around the time when maintenance starts/stops. |
| 20:56.37 | Jamash | a better way to do it would be to have a nice GUI configurator |
| 20:57.38 | alestane | Blizz went to the trouble of making the Interface Options window expandable. Or, you could add a feature to the spell book where they can right-click on a spell to bring up the menu where they check off an "ignore" box. |
| 20:57.50 | Lunessa | This is why I'm glad I don't play until late in the day on Tuesdays. |
| 20:58.16 | Jamash | alestane: That's what I'm pondering now |
| 20:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/CPUs.png <-- dunno if I'll ever get used to seeing that |
| 20:58.59 | Jamash | ScytheBlade1: heh |
| 20:59.12 | Jamash | is it two four-core procs? |
| 20:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | quad with HT |
| 20:59.28 | Jamash | ah |
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| 21:01.03 | Lunessa | sbo /envy |
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| 21:05.59 | Jamash | yay, zoot responded again |
| 21:06.15 | mikma | ah... |
| 21:06.20 | Jamash | now I have to learn secure hooking :-X |
| 21:06.22 | mikma | this is the day when everyone turns gay. |
| 21:06.30 | cog|work | Jamash: you have wowprogramming? |
| 21:06.35 | cog|work | there's a chapter on hooking :P |
| 21:06.44 | Jamash | cog|work: too cheap :D |
| 21:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | .. that's *very* cheap |
| 21:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | For such a book it is dirt cheap :P |
| 21:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Even I'm not that bad, and I have $4 in my bank account right now :P |
| 21:07.38 | Dewin | . /t scytheblade can i borrow 4 gold plz thx. |
| 21:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Dewin |
| 21:07.55 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs at purl |
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| 21:08.00 | Jamash | anyway wowwiki usually suffices for my needs |
| 21:08.19 | cog|work | i have to wonder whether a 2.66ghz i7 would really have much of an edge over a 3.2ghz core2duo for single-processor apps like WoW... |
| 21:08.40 | Dewin | cog|work: Depends on what the other cores are doing? |
| 21:09.02 | cog|work | well yeah, |
| 21:09.25 | Jamash | If you're rendering video in the background I'm sure more cores are better |
| 21:09.26 | alestane | !api hooksecurefunc |
| 21:09.27 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'hooksecurefunc' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/hooksecurefunc |
| 21:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: it isn't WoW, but it is pretty darn CPU intensive: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=51 |
| 21:09.42 | cog|work | but that kindof misses the point :P |
| 21:09.43 | Dewin | And I imagine WoW isn't entirely single-threaded, just the bulk of the work occurs in the main thread. |
| 21:09.59 | alestane | There's a thread for voice chat IIRC. |
| 21:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | (be sure to click the "Pretty Graph" link) |
| 21:10.08 | Dewin | and probably a thread for network communications |
| 21:10.15 | alestane | But aside from that I think it's got one, maybe two threads. |
| 21:10.31 | cog|work | blinks confusedly at everyone completely missing the point of the question |
| 21:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I got the point, and provided a tangentially related link! ;) |
| 21:10.56 | cog|work | s/everyone/most everyone/ |
| 21:11.00 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:11.02 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 21:11.12 | Jamash | I guess you'd have to try it out on both and see |
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| 21:11.39 | Dewin | if you decide you don't like the i7 pass it my way, I'll take it. :-p |
| 21:11.45 | cog|work | Jamash: the point of the question is whether it's even worth upgrading... i mean, i have a 3.2 ghz core2duo with 6 gigs of ram |
| 21:12.08 | Jamash | Sounds like what you have is plenty for wow |
| 21:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Worth upgrading? Dear no |
| 21:12.13 | cog|work | it is |
| 21:12.18 | Jamash | Are you running max fps? |
| 21:12.23 | Jamash | for your display |
| 21:12.32 | cog|work | no. i need a new GPU :'( |
| 21:12.38 | cog|work | i've only got a 320MB 8800gts |
| 21:12.39 | Jamash | well, then |
| 21:12.45 | Jamash | pfft, only |
| 21:12.46 | krka | 1) identify bottleneck |
| 21:12.51 | krka | 2) upgrade bottlenet |
| 21:12.54 | Jamash | I have a 3 year old laptop |
| 21:12.55 | krka | 1) goto 1 |
| 21:13.04 | krka | er, 3 |
| 21:13.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 1.5) get rich |
| 21:13.18 | krka | 4) profit |
| 21:13.24 | Jamash | what's the easiest way to make a million dollars? |
| 21:13.31 | cog|work | krka: trouble is once cpu becomes the bottleneck it means having to upgrade other things that aren't the bottleneck |
| 21:13.42 | Jamash | A: start with two million |
| 21:13.53 | Jamash | I think I left out part of that joke |
| 21:14.05 | krka | once the cpu is the bottleneck, you buy a complete new box :) |
| 21:14.09 | Shirik | krka: GOTO is a keyword |
| 21:14.11 | Shirik | should be caps |
| 21:14.22 | Shirik | And your lines should be increments of 10 |
| 21:14.31 | alestane | Only if his advice is in BASIC. |
| 21:14.32 | Shirik | 10 IDENTIFY Bottleneck$ |
| 21:14.38 | krka | Shirik: you're making assumptions of my pseudo code language? |
| 21:14.39 | Shirik | 20 UPGRADE Bottleneck$ |
| 21:14.42 | Shirik | 30 GOTO 10 |
| 21:14.44 | Shirik | Yes I am krka! |
| 21:14.49 | krka | good for you |
| 21:15.08 | Shirik | but |
| 21:15.11 | Shirik | how do you ever get to "profit" |
| 21:15.14 | Dewin | I'd rather have a language that supports COME FROM. |
| 21:15.14 | Shirik | if you keep looping |
| 21:15.25 | Jamash | I lol at the days when BASIC was called a "high-level programming language" |
| 21:15.27 | Thunder_Child | any upgrade of mine would be 1K just on HDD's, go go 10TB's |
| 21:15.29 | krka | Shirik: that's the point, you dont get profit if you're always upgrading your system |
| 21:15.42 | Jamash | buy a liquid cooled PC imo |
| 21:15.56 | Shirik | Jamash: It can't not be a high-level language |
| 21:15.58 | krka | Dewin: INTERCAL FTW |
| 21:15.59 | Shirik | It is extremely high level |
| 21:16.04 | Jamash | http://www.hardcorecomputer.com/ |
| 21:16.10 | Shirik | it doesn't get much simpler than "INPUT" "PRINT" |
| 21:16.14 | Jamash | let me rephrase that |
| 21:16.20 | Jamash | buy *me* a liquid cooled PC |
| 21:16.33 | Thunder_Child | make one yourself |
| 21:16.42 | Jamash | If I had money |
| 21:16.57 | Thunder_Child | fishtank+deionized water = win |
| 21:17.16 | Thunder_Child | or oil if you prefer |
| 21:17.18 | cog|work | mineral oil imo... water's still a solvent |
| 21:17.48 | Thunder_Child | water is better for heat disipation though |
| 21:17.50 | Dewin | and it's hard to keep water deionized IIRC |
| 21:17.51 | Thunder_Child | flows better |
| 21:17.59 | Jamash | you really want some liquid that won't make your parts all oily though |
| 21:18.20 | cog|work | can't water absorb electrolytes from the air (and dust for that matter) and become conductive? |
| 21:18.58 | Jamash | depends on whether your case is sealed |
| 21:19.07 | alestane | Besides which it naturally fractures into hydrogen and hydroxide ions and reforms continually IIRC. |
| 21:19.32 | DWSR | How long is the respawn on city leaders? |
| 21:19.54 | Dewin | 4 hrs isn't it? |
| 21:19.57 | cog|work | over 9000 <sufficiently small units of time> |
| 21:20.02 | DWSR | no idea. That's why I'm asking |
| 21:20.34 | Thunder_Child | not as hard as you might think, you will already have a pump for water cirulation, simply have it flow through a deionizer as well |
| 21:22.23 | alestane | The pump would also have to flow through a heatsink, I'd think. |
| 21:23.23 | alestane | Otherwise, you'd end up with a fishtank full of hot water. |
| 21:23.35 | Thunder_Child | http://www.aquariumguys.com/water-deionizer.html |
| 21:23.38 | cog|work | i think that's implied in "for water circulation" |
| 21:23.40 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:24.11 | cog|work | It's really too bad that most materials have a positive correlation between heat conductivity and electrical conductivity |
| 21:24.13 | Thunder_Child | thoes are made for fish tanks so one would asume it would not kill the fish |
| 21:24.39 | cog|work | dunking a computer in mercury would be pretty hawt |
| 21:24.48 | Thunder_Child | mmmm |
| 21:25.09 | Jamash | and toxic |
| 21:25.15 | cog|work | = added security |
| 21:25.17 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:25.40 | Jamash | then you really would be mad as a hatter |
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| 21:31.02 | Jamash | apparently I don't need to learn secure hooking, it wouldn't do what I need |
| 21:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | unsecure hooking could lead to some nasty STDs though. |
| 21:32.29 | Hirsute | Zootfizzle: You win! (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16019953480&sid=1) |
| 21:33.03 | Hirsute | There's a serious lack of education about the risks of unsecure hooking in our schools, btw. |
| 21:33.27 | Jamash | it's true |
| 21:34.20 | Thunder_Child | ~kick NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:34.30 | Thunder_Child | oh right, *sigh* |
| 21:34.33 | Thunder_Child | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:34.33 | purl | follow's NightHawkTheSane with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 21:36.02 | Jamash | is there a horde side PvP PTR UI guild? |
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| 21:42.15 | Hirsute | Hrmmm, I asked the other day, and didn't see an answer, so I've been playing around with this, and almost have it, but I'm still doing someting wrong, I think... Is it possible to use the var1 = var2 or var2 syntax with lists of variables, something like "var1,var2,var3 = ... or var4,var5,var6"? |
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| 21:42.33 | Kraps | how long does a wws report stay up? |
| 21:43.05 | NightHawkTheSane | until they can't exploit more money out of you. |
| 21:43.12 | Kraps | lol? |
| 21:44.44 | Kraps | i have a free account, do reports stay up indefinitely is what i want to know |
| 21:44.48 | Shefki | Hirsute: Yes that's possible if I understand what you're asking. |
| 21:45.02 | MentalPower | Hirsute: negative |
| 21:45.14 | Hirsute | Okay, thanks. |
| 21:45.35 | MentalPower | you will always get the first variable from ... or var4, and then var5,var6, etc |
| 21:46.18 | MentalPower | you would need to do each varA = varB or varC comparison as a separate statement |
| 21:46.20 | Hirsute | So I'd just want to do "var1,var2,var3 = ...; var1 = var1 or var4; var2 = var2 or var5; var3 = var3 or var6" then, yes? |
| 21:46.57 | Hirsute | Thanks. |
| 21:47.29 | Hirsute | I shouldn't have spent this much time trying to find a way to do it in one statement, but the obsessive part of me *really* doesn't like the way the working method looks. |
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| 21:48.25 | Ycarene | Any ops in her that can help me get unbanned from #gentoo? |
| 21:48.33 | Ycarene | oops |
| 21:48.37 | Ycarene | wrong channel |
| 21:48.40 | Hirsute | -_- |
| 21:49.45 | kamdis | What's the in game holiday upcoming in April? |
| 21:49.58 | Legorol | Noblegarden |
| 21:50.09 | Legorol | but it's date is likely to be different from the one currently shown by the calendar |
| 21:50.11 | kamdis | Thank you. |
| 21:50.20 | kamdis | understood. |
| 21:50.26 | Legorol | as it's been changed to a week-long holiday, and that requires a client-side patch (which we haven't had yet) |
| 21:50.45 | kamdis | right |
| 21:50.51 | kamdis | i just couldn't remember the name |
| 21:53.42 | Lunessa | There is nothing noble about my garden |
| 21:55.00 | Kraps | the updates to carbonite are insane |
| 21:55.14 | kamdis | ? |
| 21:55.16 | Kraps | insane = good |
| 21:55.21 | kamdis | ah |
| 21:55.34 | kamdis | i installed the new version, but i didn't notice anything in particular |
| 21:55.57 | Kraps | did you have the paid one? |
| 21:56.25 | kamdis | Yes |
| 21:56.35 | kamdis | but all i did was kill heroic KT last night and logged |
| 21:56.54 | Kraps | lolwut? |
| 21:57.00 | Legorol | is there still a paid version of Carbonite? |
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| 21:57.08 | Hirsute | Kraps: What update are you talking about, just that they've made it free? |
| 21:57.09 | |Jelly| | She made KT's health go to 0 and got loot for it. |
| 21:57.10 | kamdis | "did" past tense |
| 21:57.34 | kamdis | right, i meant , didn't do much in the game that would make me aware of any changes |
| 21:58.15 | Kraps | Hirsute: they just made it free, and integrated most (or all) of the paid-only features |
| 21:58.27 | kamdis | oh |
| 21:58.33 | kamdis | so you're getting all the paid stuff now |
| 21:58.39 | kamdis | that would be a nice upgrade :) |
| 21:58.48 | Hirsute | Kraps: As far as I know they've just taken the paid version and made it free, and are in the process of unobfuscating the code. |
| 21:58.54 | |Jelly| | http://www.carboniteaddon.com/ :P |
| 21:59.04 | kamdis | right you are Hirsute. |
| 21:59.06 | Kraps | Hirsute: thats what i said :D |
| 21:59.50 | Hirsute | Kraps: I misunderstood youre "and integrated most (or all)..." statement. They didn't integrate anything, they just made the old paid download available without paying. |
| 21:59.57 | Hirsute | s/youre/your |
| 22:01.22 | Kraps | what does the "missed %" in a wws report mean, percent of _that_ attack that missed or culminated miss for all attacks? |
| 22:02.06 | Jamash | bah, ptr offline |
| 22:02.55 | kamdis | Kraps, on a specific attack line, jsut that attack |
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| 22:04.18 | Kraps | dont these missed numbers seem kind of high? http://wowwebstats.com/h2in5rjt3wauy?a=x1d2c06c&s=47314-63068 |
| 22:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1182149&cid=27401823 |
| 22:04.24 | Jamash | is wowwiki acting up or is it just me? |
| 22:04.47 | Kraps | i'm at 7.62% hit |
| 22:05.01 | foxlit | Jamash: yeah, it's being silly |
| 22:05.05 | kamdis | Kraps: not really. did you click on the %? it shows it's nearly all dodge and parry, which means you need expertise. |
| 22:05.27 | kamdis | in fact it's ALL dodge and parry. |
| 22:05.40 | Corey|Here | stupid reserved names |
| 22:05.46 | foxlit | hit doesn't mitigate dodges? |
| 22:05.47 | Kraps | oh cool didnt see that |
| 22:05.56 | ZorbaTHut | nope, hit is miss only |
| 22:05.59 | Jamash | only expertise mitigates dodge and parry |
| 22:06.10 | foxlit | how very evil |
| 22:06.14 | Corey|Here | don't forget about positioning!!! |
| 22:06.16 | Corey|Here | :P |
| 22:06.21 | Jamash | true |
| 22:06.28 | kamdis | you still need expertise, even if you're standing behind the mob |
| 22:06.36 | ZorbaTHut | well, he's a tank, so I'm assuming that he's standing in front of the mob anyway ;) |
| 22:06.39 | Kraps | i'm a tank |
| 22:06.44 | Kraps | ya :) |
| 22:06.46 | kamdis | players can't dodge or parry attacks from behind, but mobs can |
| 22:06.48 | Jamash | then you definitely need expertise |
| 22:06.52 | Corey|Here | ah |
| 22:06.52 | kamdis | lol yeah |
| 22:06.58 | ZorbaTHut | although if you can figure out how to tank a mob from behind I'd be greatly indebted to you |
| 22:07.00 | Corey|Here | i haven't played melee in pve since s2 |
| 22:07.01 | kamdis | please to not be tanking from behind the boss, k? :P |
| 22:07.04 | Corey|Here | don't really remember :P |
| 22:07.08 | ZorbaTHut | but, yes, expertise is actually *more* important than hit for tanks :) |
| 22:07.10 | Kraps | 5% expertise |
| 22:07.14 | |Jelly| | I tank from behind |
| 22:07.21 | |Jelly| | ... when I forget frost presence is on. :( |
| 22:07.26 | kamdis | 26 expertise is the soft cap |
| 22:07.29 | kamdis | 6.25% |
| 22:07.41 | kamdis | but you might like more as a tank, I don't really know |
| 22:07.50 | kamdis | <-- refuses to tank |
| 22:07.57 | Kraps | isnt it lower for humans? |
| 22:08.00 | Legorol | it's 27 expertise (6.5%) for soft cap afaik |
| 22:08.00 | |Jelly| | Tanking is fun! :) |
| 22:08.01 | Corey|Here | well, with current content it doesn't really matter |
| 22:08.07 | Kraps | with a sword? |
| 22:08.09 | Jamash | I'd like to tank but I haven't bothered to level a tanking class past 71 |
| 22:08.09 | Legorol | Kraps: depends on your weapon |
| 22:08.12 | Legorol | swords and maces |
| 22:08.17 | Corey|Here | "oh no, heigan is going to hit me a second time for zero damage!" |
| 22:08.22 | ZorbaTHut | more as a tank is helpful because it keeps getting rid of parry, which both increases your threat and your effective mitigation |
| 22:08.28 | Kraps | <--- sword guy |
| 22:08.40 | foxlit | I'm so writing an addon that'd display this stuff |
| 22:08.46 | Jamash | what is this "soft cap" of which you speak |
| 22:08.55 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, I suspect that's factored into your total expertise |
| 22:09.02 | foxlit | And preferably scream "U N00B STACK EXPERTIZ!" at you |
| 22:09.08 | Corey|Here | soft cap generally is where it stops affecting one of multiple things |
| 22:09.12 | Jamash | ah |
| 22:09.17 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, expertise reduces both dodge and parry. at 6.5%, they don't dodge anymore, and expertise stops being as useful since it's no longer doing double duty |
| 22:09.26 | Jamash | I see |
| 22:09.26 | ZorbaTHut | but it still reduces parry up to 12% or something like that |
| 22:09.33 | Corey|Here | yea, same deal with resilience |
| 22:09.42 | Corey|Here | both chance ot be crit / critical damage reduction go up |
| 22:09.44 | Corey|Here | until the soft cap |
| 22:09.47 | Corey|Here | then chance to be crit is frozen |
| 22:10.11 | Legorol | or the same thing with defense, the "soft cap" for which is at 540 |
| 22:10.16 | Corey|Here | i really hope they patch 3.1 before s5 finishes :( |
| 22:10.26 | Legorol | once you reach 540 defense, mobs can't crit you anymore, but more defense still gives you more avoidance |
| 22:10.26 | Jamash | Corey|Here: ditto |
| 22:10.35 | Legorol | Corey|Here: they won't |
| 22:10.40 | Corey|Here | i really think they will |
| 22:10.51 | Corey|Here | they know what kind of abomination this season has been |
| 22:11.10 | Legorol | there was a blue post about a week long grace period between s5 and s6 |
| 22:11.16 | Kraps | with a mighty defense elixir i have 573 defense :p |
| 22:11.20 | Corey|Here | yea? |
| 22:11.24 | Corey|Here | haven't seen that one |
| 22:11.27 | Legorol | the example the blue gave was "say we patch in 3.1 at the end of s5, then a week later s6 starts" |
| 22:11.40 | Legorol | yes, there will be a week long break between end of s5 and start of s6 |
| 22:11.47 | Jamash | let's see, PTR: down. WoWWiki:down. Can't test, can't code. D: |
| 22:11.47 | Corey|Here | all i've seen is the one a few weeks back that said, "season 5 will end with the 3.1 patch or a week or two after" |
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| 22:12.08 | Legorol | Jamash: play live! woot! \o/ |
| 22:12.27 | Jamash | I get into the mood for coding, though |
| 22:12.36 | Legorol | code on live |
| 22:13.01 | foxlit | code without docs |
| 22:13.04 | foxlit | code without API |
| 22:13.06 | foxlit | code without sleep! |
| 22:13.14 | Jamash | mmkay |
| 22:13.15 | Legorol | hm, my L73 warrior could gain XP from completing "The fall of betrayer" |
| 22:13.19 | Legorol | maybe i should pug BT |
| 22:13.35 | foxlit | can you find 24 other suckers to do it with you? :) |
| 22:13.36 | Jamash | you can get xp from completing any quest |
| 22:13.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:13.40 | kamdis | Expertise dodge soft cap is 26/6.5%, parry soft cap is 64/16% |
| 22:13.44 | Kraps | i think its pretty funny that you can parry a shield slam :D |
| 22:13.45 | Jamash | just... not much |
| 22:13.49 | kamdis | FYI |
| 22:13.56 | Legorol | kamdis: the parry one would be a hard cap, not a soft cap |
| 22:13.57 | Shirik | SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING has been issued for 32114 Expires at 18:00 EDT on 03/31/09 |
| 22:14.02 | kamdis | ah right o |
| 22:14.05 | Legorol | also, the exact % on parry is not known |
| 22:14.09 | Shirik | Received: 18:10 EDT |
| 22:14.15 | Shirik | .... wtf is that for |
| 22:14.17 | Legorol | the best *guesses* put it around 13-16% |
| 22:14.26 | Jamash | Shirik: to let you know where all that water just came from |
| 22:14.37 | kamdis | Anyway, everything I've read that seem reasonably reliable says 26 not 27.s |
| 22:14.41 | kamdis | that's all |
| 22:14.50 | kamdis | not that it hurts to have more |
| 22:15.18 | Legorol | kamdis: that's because i'm dumb and can't do math |
| 22:15.28 | kamdis | lol :P |
| 22:15.34 | Legorol | you indeed need 6.5%, which is 26 (26*0.25=6.5) |
| 22:15.37 | kamdis | I can't either. I regurgitate other people's math. |
| 22:16.47 | Lunessa | foxlit: "code without sleep!" much about your code is now explained. |
| 22:17.13 | foxlit | there was something about my code to explain? :) |
| 22:17.36 | kamdis | do not tease the foxlit |
| 22:17.41 | kamdis | :) |
| 22:17.53 | foxlit | I'm all for teasing! |
| 22:17.57 | kamdis | the foxlit is to be showered with adoration and praise |
| 22:17.58 | Lunessa | Oh he knows I have mad respect for him 'cause of Opie. |
| 22:18.04 | Jamash | anyone know of documentation for the blizzard UI options addon config panel that isn't on wowwiki? |
| 22:18.12 | foxlit | Jamash: framexml |
| 22:18.15 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 22:18.16 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 22:18.18 | kamdis | so say we all |
| 22:18.25 | Jamash | bites foxlit |
| 22:18.29 | foxlit | *everything( you need to know is in the UIOptions*lua file |
| 22:18.36 | Lunessa | WoWWiki.com is not down |
| 22:18.51 | foxlit | there's a comment towards the end. |
| 22:18.57 | foxlit | It might be down if you're logged in |
| 22:19.26 | kamdis | I can't get any wowwiki pages to load |
| 22:19.29 | Kraps | "a simple re-quest" is bs :( |
| 22:19.41 | foxlit | it's annoying, but it's simple |
| 22:19.48 | foxlit | You just have to log in on five concurrent days |
| 22:19.57 | Kraps | i have 3 days already |
| 22:20.03 | Kraps | had |
| 22:20.11 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure you don't mean concurrent |
| 22:20.14 | Kraps | yesterday |
| 22:20.26 | Kraps | now it reset |
| 22:20.30 | foxlit | Jamash: teehee! |
| 22:21.30 | Kraps | huh thunderclap missed twice |
| 22:21.40 | Lunessa | You have to do it between resets. :P |
| 22:21.59 | Kraps | Lunessa: that blows! |
| 22:22.09 | Kraps | really? |
| 22:22.09 | Legorol | Kraps: that achi is known to be bugged :( |
| 22:22.11 | jnwhiteh | can someone PLEASE hop on Remulos-EU PTR |
| 22:22.16 | Legorol | it will reset randomly for no reason |
| 22:22.18 | Lunessa | Maintenance resets the counter |
| 22:22.22 | Shirik | .... |
| 22:22.25 | Kraps | zomg bad programming |
| 22:22.26 | Shirik | someone please explain this to me |
| 22:22.31 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: sure thing, alliance or horde? |
| 22:22.35 | Shirik | You have a function which relies on two variables: q and p |
| 22:22.39 | jnwhiteh | ally,human please leg |
| 22:22.40 | Jamash | so blizzard put in documentation but didn't document the presence of their documentation |
| 22:22.42 | jnwhiteh | i need help getting my pet |
| 22:22.52 | jnwhiteh | name is Mallaithe |
| 22:22.55 | Shirik | So, you make the function have 3 parameters: q, p, and "the value q^-1 mod p" |
| 22:23.03 | Shirik | Why the heck would you ask for that third parameter |
| 22:23.07 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: is a level 1 useful? |
| 22:23.11 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 22:23.11 | Lunessa | Jamash: why should they? They made the code and comments available via the AddOn kit. |
| 22:23.12 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 22:23.13 | Hirsute | Kraps: Yeah, I finally got it by starting the achievement the day of the reset, and doing the same daily every day (about 24.5 hours apart) for five days. |
| 22:23.13 | Shirik | (Assuming the function needs it obviously, why can't it be computed by itself) |
| 22:23.16 | jnwhiteh | just need a distraction if nothing else. |
| 22:23.24 | foxlit | Shirik: it might be easier to generate elsewhere but computing it would be horrible |
| 22:23.29 | jnwhiteh | dealing damage or healing is good |
| 22:23.34 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:23.52 | Jamash | I have the addon kit, but there's no way to know which files have documentation in them without looking in them all |
| 22:24.05 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: crap, new patch, i haven't got it yet :( |
| 22:24.10 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: going to download it asap |
| 22:24.10 | foxlit | I assume you're dealing with some form of crypto. |
| 22:24.16 | jnwhiteh | ah okay np |
| 22:24.19 | Shirik | yes is crypto |
| 22:24.24 | Shirik | RSA, actually |
| 22:24.40 | foxlit | Iirc, you pick p, q, and verify that q^-1 mod p either exists or obeys some other property |
| 22:25.04 | cog|work | Jamash: sure there is... it's not like the files have random names :P |
| 22:25.27 | foxlit | That verification might be expensive, so you don't want to repeat that computation after you've already got the result once. |
| 22:25.36 | cog|work | well, you don't know which ones have documentation, but you definitely don't need to look through all of them to see which ones are relevant anyway |
| 22:26.32 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: I'll be Legorol, human paladin, will whisper you when i'm patched |
| 22:26.47 | jnwhiteh | thank you |
| 22:27.37 | Legorol | at the rate the patch is going, will be 10 minutes or so |
| 22:27.44 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 22:27.51 | jnwhiteh | so frustrating |
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| 22:30.10 | jnwhiteh | nvm, got it |
| 22:30.14 | jnwhiteh | persistence :p |
| 22:30.20 | Kraps | lost WG :( |
| 22:30.24 | jnwhiteh | all this for a stupid warlock pet |
| 22:30.26 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 22:30.57 | Jamash | jnwhiteh: which pet? |
| 22:31.05 | jnwhiteh | imp |
| 22:31.16 | Jamash | are you trying to get it at level 1 or something? |
| 22:31.25 | jnwhiteh | 3 actually |
| 22:31.27 | jnwhiteh | but its a paint |
| 22:31.28 | jnwhiteh | pain |
| 22:31.30 | jnwhiteh | they're linked. |
| 22:31.36 | jnwhiteh | etc. |
| 22:31.55 | Jamash | a level 3 needing a level 1 healbot, eh? |
| 22:32.18 | Kraps | woah 2000 honor from a 7 min wg battle |
| 22:32.25 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: its a 3 pull |
| 22:32.29 | Lunessa | mmm... cupcake, nom nom nom |
| 22:32.30 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 22:32.58 | Jamash | oh, you're on alliance |
| 22:33.14 | Jamash | yeah the imp and VW are a pain on alliance |
| 22:34.01 | cog|work | alliance or just human? I don't remember having a problem on my gnome... |
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| 22:34.15 | jnwhiteh | human |
| 22:34.24 | Hirsute | They weren't tough for me on my gnome either.... but I didn't try to do them quite that early, either. |
| 22:34.28 | jnwhiteh | but i haves it now :P |
| 22:34.34 | cog|work | wewt |
| 22:35.02 | Lunessa | human quest for the imp is a pain. Gnome is EZ |
| 22:35.10 | Jamash | I believe the classic solution was to kill one, die, kill another, die, kill the third and profit |
| 22:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Undead one for the succubus is TERRIBLY |
| 22:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | *TERRIBLE |
| 22:35.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Has you running through a level 34 zone or two |
| 22:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | At level 20 |
| 22:35.49 | Jamash | ew |
| 22:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It is frightening |
| 22:36.25 | Legorol | that sounds awesome! |
| 22:36.36 | Legorol | i love quests which are, whilst perfectly doable, give you a glimpse of things to come |
| 22:36.41 | kamdis | yeah, my warlock didn't get her succubus until level 32ish because of that |
| 22:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | You mean graveyard running? |
| 22:36.54 | Legorol | is it that bad? |
| 22:36.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 22:37.02 | kamdis | graveyard running is not awesome |
| 22:37.07 | Legorol | is the quest *meant* to be doable at 20? |
| 22:37.14 | |Jelly| | Anyone know the needed spell hit for righteous defense? |
| 22:37.19 | kamdis | it lets you pick it up, so I assume it should be |
| 22:37.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I am really curious for an answer to that myself |
| 22:37.34 | Legorol | for example, the warrior quest for 2H weapon can be obtained at 30, but it's intended for 40 |
| 22:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah I can't remember the zone name |
| 22:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | They have you run from the UC basement to the Arathi bridge |
| 22:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So you go through tirisfal, one zone I can't remember the bame of, and arathi |
| 22:38.23 | Legorol | that'd be hillsbrad |
| 22:38.24 | Jamash | hillsbrad |
| 22:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The run alone is something like 25 minutes |
| 22:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 22:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | One-way mind you |
| 22:38.40 | Legorol | that is very doable at 20 if you stick to the road and keep your eyes peeled |
| 22:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That is assuming you don't die |
| 22:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Man you have no idea what those arathi raptors do to you :P |
| 22:38.59 | Legorol | only arathi is a higher level zone not meant for 20s, but the road is relatively safe |
| 22:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | No, no that road isn't safe |
| 22:39.09 | Legorol | yes i know :) been there, done that |
| 22:39.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That road needs to burn |
| 22:39.14 | Legorol | you got to dodge them ;) |
| 22:39.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ dodge |
| 22:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Die horribly maybe |
| 22:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Over and over and over |
| 22:39.31 | Legorol | haha |
| 22:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you get to run /back/ |
| 22:39.42 | kamdis | welcome to gaming |
| 22:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Although by then you could probably hearth |
| 22:39.49 | Legorol | |Jelly|: why would you need spell hit for righteous defense? |
| 22:39.51 | kamdis | die horribly over and over is what it's all about |
| 22:39.57 | Legorol | isn't that the paladin's multi-mob taunt thingy? |
| 22:39.57 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: true |
| 22:40.01 | kamdis | so it won't get resisted? |
| 22:40.11 | Legorol | |Jelly|: that one probably operates off of melee hit, like all other taunts in the game |
| 22:40.16 | Jamash | My sister has an undead warlock and I have an orc warlock. |
| 22:40.19 | Legorol | unless it's a special case |
| 22:40.29 | |Jelly| | Honestly, I don't know; I was just curious. |
| 22:40.39 | Jamash | When we were discussing the Succubus quest I remember saying "You have to do *what*?" |
| 22:41.50 | Hirsute | He he. When I used to run a computer lab, we didn't allow the employees to play EQ/MMOs while at work because a few had a hard time actually being *at work* while they were playing. Then I got into WoW and I allowed them to play only that one. |
| 22:41.59 | Hirsute | But they weren't allowed to play Horde while at work. |
| 22:42.03 | kamdis | From what I've read, RD is based on melee hit, |Jelly|. |
| 22:42.05 | Jamash | boooooo |
| 22:42.07 | Hirsute | Made me chuckle. |
| 22:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf @ http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=17436 |
| 22:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Connie: I recently represented Public Knowledge in an important lawsuit, MDY v. Blizzard. MDY developed an add-on called "Glider"-a leveling mod. |
| 22:42.48 | kamdis | she's a moron with an agenda |
| 22:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | W T F. |
| 22:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I can tell |
| 22:43.04 | kamdis | ^^ |
| 22:43.16 | Lunessa | I did the allaince succubus quest at 21 on a PVP server - trying to run through Dustwallow was just painful. |
| 22:43.28 | kamdis | she claims to play wow yet [i assume purposely] doesn't make a distinction between glider and addons |
| 22:43.28 | mikma | yes, way to fail |
| 22:43.31 | Jamash | I think she's wrong but I don't think she's a moron |
| 22:43.35 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: that interview seriously made me lose respect for PK's amicus brief in the case |
| 22:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | How she managed to combine glider and "add-ons" is WAY beyond me |
| 22:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Like wow, wtf |
| 22:43.43 | Thrae | Hey, I knew someone who worked on Glider. |
| 22:43.47 | Legorol | the actual brief is a well-thought out, relatively understandable piece of legalese |
| 22:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | stares in amazement |
| 22:44.05 | Legorol | that Connie woman made herself sound like she doesn't even know who she is working for >.< |
| 22:44.09 | kamdis | She's an IP attorney. She is a proud product of the American legal education system. :( |
| 22:44.25 | Hirsute | She just doesn't understand the difference between "addon/mod" and "third-party executable" |
| 22:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I was really looking forward to reading this concerning how these new UI rules apply |
| 22:44.27 | kamdis | What the amicus brief she wrote? |
| 22:44.34 | kamdis | she's not MDY's attorney. |
| 22:44.36 | Legorol | kamdis: i am not convinced she wrote it |
| 22:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I got that far, about three paragraphs in, and now I won't trust a word of it |
| 22:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | She isn't? |
| 22:44.45 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: no she isn't |
| 22:44.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, sorry |
| 22:44.50 | ScytheBlade1 | There, re-read |
| 22:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Got it now |
| 22:44.55 | kamdis | no, she's not. |
| 22:44.57 | kamdis | yeah |
| 22:45.01 | Legorol | she is a laywer for Public Knowledge, a 3rd party that had nothign to do with the case |
| 22:45.02 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: No, she represented a group that filed an amicus brief on behalf of MDY |
| 22:45.06 | kamdis | right |
| 22:45.13 | Legorol | PK filed an "amicus brief", a 3rd party opinion on how the judge *should* handle the csae |
| 22:45.24 | kamdis | I don't understand IP attorneys who don't support IP rights. |
| 22:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case this entire lengthy article, while I was looking forward to reading it |
| 22:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That is not longer the case! |
| 22:45.40 | Hirsute | kamdis: It's all a question of *whose* IP they support |
| 22:45.42 | Lunessa | Meaning "we're interested in the outcome, and we're hoping you find for the defendant for these reasons" |
| 22:45.50 | kamdis | I suppose so. |
| 22:45.57 | tekkub | it really just sounded like she missed a key bit of info, Carbonite ad version |
| 22:46.00 | Legorol | interesting bit of trivia: Connie failed to follow court procedures, so she had to refile her briefs. Both of them, as she screwed up both. |
| 22:46.07 | Legorol | Then she had to go and amend the text in one of them. |
| 22:46.08 | tekkub | an thus made a rather bad theory |
| 22:46.09 | jnwhiteh | Anyone familiar with the secure handlers? |
| 22:46.20 | Hirsute | And, she also defended the original spammers |
| 22:46.23 | kamdis | it sounded to me like she lumped in all addons with hacks |
| 22:46.26 | jnwhiteh | I have a frame that contains a subframe which is a ShowHide template |
| 22:46.30 | Legorol | Hirsute: what? |
| 22:46.33 | kamdis | which would be a key distinction. |
| 22:46.36 | Legorol | she didn't defend anyone |
| 22:46.37 | Hirsute | Legorol: Looking it up now. |
| 22:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: you are somewhat involved with the legal field, right? |
| 22:46.41 | jnwhiteh | call them parent and frrame |
| 22:46.49 | kamdis | Yes. |
| 22:46.51 | jnwhiteh | I need to access parent.Name from within a snippet on frame |
| 22:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: what are your "not a lawyer" thoughts on this new UI policy? (If you care to share, I'm curious) |
| 22:47.10 | Legorol | The amicus brief that PK filed is a very nice piece of text. There is a huge difference from the level of intelligence that Connie displayed in the interview. |
| 22:47.21 | Legorol | That's why I suspect that the actual brief was written by one of her many subordinates. |
| 22:47.22 | cog|work | Legorol: paralegals, imo |
| 22:47.34 | Legorol | cog|work: indeed |
| 22:48.13 | kamdis | Generally I agree with Cog's assessment, though I sympathize a little more with corporate legal at Blizzard. |
| 22:48.16 | Legorol | from the interview, Connie sounded like she doesn't even know what the case was about, let alone be able to submit a brief |
| 22:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That is what I would be guessing at |
| 22:48.42 | kamdis | No matter what happens, the chilling effect on software development could be large. |
| 22:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 22:49.01 | Shefki | I'd suspect the interview was on the phone, spur of the moment. |
| 22:49.03 | kamdis | and that's not a good thing. |
| 22:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 22:49.11 | Shefki | A brief is something that was put together with some thought. |
| 22:49.28 | Shefki | I doubt she had more than a few seconds to think before opening her mouth for that interview. |
| 22:49.32 | Legorol | Shefki: yes, i'd give her that much |
| 22:49.34 | kamdis | shefki : it also seems like her transcribed answers may have been taken a bit out of context (as I think you pointed out on the wow forums) |
| 22:49.35 | Jamash | I don't like the idea that someone can sue me for someone else using my software |
| 22:49.45 | Shefki | kamdis: I did. |
| 22:49.53 | kamdis | I shudder to think a 26 year IP law veteran is really that ... thick. |
| 22:50.01 | Legorol | Jamash: it depends on how and why you gave them your product. |
| 22:50.11 | Shefki | Whoever transcribed it may have damaged what she meant more than anything. |
| 22:50.13 | Hirsute | Legorol: From the intro to the article: "Connie made Internet history when she represented the very first business to commercialize the Internet, "Cybersell" (aka "Cantor & Siegel")." |
| 22:50.15 | Legorol | Jamash: if you give someone your gun, you certainly can get charged when someone else kills a person with it. |
| 22:50.25 | Shefki | Honestly, I don't expect much from someone at Allakazam doing an interview. |
| 22:50.27 | Jamash | Legorol: That's an inane analogy |
| 22:50.44 | kamdis | which is why I had assumed she was using the interview to make her point, rather than to really giver her personal opinion or an objective legal assessment. |
| 22:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: okay now I'm really curious. What exactly do you do/is your title at work? |
| 22:50.48 | Shefki | Hirsute: More accurately, the veryy first spammers. |
| 22:50.49 | Jamash | It's like me giving someone an instruction book on how to use a gun and then getting sued for it |
| 22:50.55 | Legorol | Jamash: the analogy might not be very good, but the underlying principle (that your actions don't exist in a vacuum) applies |
| 22:50.58 | kamdis | Deputy General Counsel |
| 22:51.06 | Shefki | Hirsute: Though I doubt many who read that article know what Cybersell was doing. |
| 22:51.11 | kamdis | in a 3 person legal dept at a small company |
| 22:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks and googles |
| 22:51.18 | kamdis | so it's not as impressive as it sounds. |
| 22:51.25 | kamdis | :P |
| 22:51.35 | Hirsute | Shefki: Aye, I used a poor word |
| 22:51.53 | kamdis | I mostly do SEC filings and other corporate work |
| 22:52.00 | kamdis | some of which is not even legal related |
| 22:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 22:52.04 | kamdis | corproate governance and the like |
| 22:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 22:52.11 | Jamash | Legorol: Goods and information are not the same |
| 22:52.17 | Legorol | Jamash: whilst i agree with your sentiment, and I'm of the same opinion as you (that it's worrying if things work that way), that doesn't mean that things don't work that way :) |
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| 22:52.47 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: Save you the time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_&_Siegel |
| 22:52.48 | Lunessa | Shefki: I certainly do. :) |
| 22:52.57 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: Since searching for Cybersell on google is useless now. |
| 22:52.58 | Hirsute | Legorol: Now, from the wikipedia article on spam http://www.pastey.net/111349 |
| 22:53.10 | Legorol | Jamash: if you look at the Glider case for example, regardless of whether Blizzard should or shouldn't have won each of the ten different charges it brought, the names of the charges themselves are already interesting |
| 22:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shefki: er? |
| 22:53.22 | Legorol | "tortious interference with contract", "contributory copyright infringement", and so on |
| 22:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Shefki: what is that link in relation to? |
| 22:53.25 | Jamash | The problem I have with the judgement in the MDY case is that it rules that MDY is liable for their *users* creating a copy of wow in memory on their computer |
| 22:53.40 | Legorol | the mere existence of such terms indicates that third parties *can* be liable for various things, depending on the circumstances |
| 22:53.50 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: The comment that Hirsute made about her internet fame. |
| 22:53.57 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: I assumed that's why you were googling. |
| 22:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shefki: ... totally not following that thread of conversation |
| 22:54.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 22:54.09 | Thunder_Child | a /who should really return guild |
| 22:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I was googling to see wtf a "Deputy General Counsel" is |
| 22:54.18 | Codayus | Jamash: Yeah, but the issue is, those are all well established torts. Whether or not MDYs actions really should have been shoehorned into those boxes is another question, no? |
| 22:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 22:54.29 | Legorol | Jamash: DMCA is, in no small part, exactly about that: what is and isn't a 3rd party liable for |
| 22:54.30 | kamdis | attorney who reports to the general counsel |
| 22:54.31 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Aye, that would be nice. |
| 22:54.35 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: Ahh sorry. |
| 22:54.36 | kamdis | we like our fancy sounding titles |
| 22:54.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Fancy sounding titles are a perk you are welcome to enjoy, kamdis ;) |
| 22:54.56 | Shefki | Lunessa: So what 3 people realized that she represented spammers? |
| 22:54.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But that clears it up, google was being quite useless |
| 22:55.01 | cog|work | is reminded of the Daily Show's Senior _____ Correspondants |
| 22:55.13 | Legorol | Jamash: for example, you can't sell products whose sole purpose is to circumvent copyright protection devices, even if you are not the person doing the circumvention, but the people who buy your products |
| 22:55.16 | Hirsute | As long as you don't start doing medical malpractice suits and sueing me someday. |
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| 22:55.32 | Legorol | the actual details of the MDY case are simply about whether the law applies to this particular case or not |
| 22:55.36 | Jamash | Large portions of the DMCA are probably unconstitutional |
| 22:55.43 | Hirsute | Legorol: Which is actually the precedent I expected to underlie that case. |
| 22:55.50 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: doesn't it? Isn't guild one of the columns you can choose? |
| 22:56.08 | Legorol | yes it is |
| 22:56.08 | Lunessa | Shefki: It was an important case to me at the time. Spam was a major part of the problems we dealt with at a previous employer. |
| 22:56.18 | Shefki | Legorol: That and how they come up with a copyright infringmenet based on combining two contracts. |
| 22:56.48 | Legorol | Shefki: the copyright infringers are the users, not MDY. That is a highly debatable point. |
| 22:57.02 | Shefki | Legorol: Well yes, but there's two issues. |
| 22:57.10 | Legorol | However, as long as the users *are* infringers, MDY itself becomes liable for contributory infringement, which is discussed in the copyright law itself |
| 22:57.21 | Shefki | a) Can you use a ToU for a network service to get to a copyright violation. |
| 22:57.30 | Legorol | I mean the debatable point is whether users are infringers or not |
| 22:57.34 | Shefki | b) Can you drag that copyright violation over to another person. |
| 22:57.43 | Legorol | Shefki: a) is a very valid concern |
| 22:57.46 | Legorol | b) is irrelevant |
| 22:57.49 | Hirsute | a) Apparently so, b)apparently so |
| 22:57.53 | Legorol | b) follows from copyright law |
| 22:58.01 | Shirik | I feel that (a) is totally true |
| 22:58.04 | Legorol | a) is only due ot the judge's interpretation of the particulars of the case |
| 22:58.17 | Legorol | i feel that a) is the debatable part |
| 22:58.20 | Shirik | If you do not have the right to use the software, the use of the software involves copying it |
| 22:58.21 | Legorol | b) is clearcut in my opinion |
| 22:58.32 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, Name/Zone/lvl/Class |
| 22:58.45 | Shirik | It obviously doesn't fall under "fair use" |
| 22:58.47 | Legorol | Shirik: it's not as straightforward as that. Google for "Section 117 defense". |
| 22:58.51 | Legorol | actually, it does |
| 22:58.54 | Shefki | Shirik: You can load wow without ever connecting to the network service. |
| 22:58.58 | Jamash | Shekfi: There's both the ToU for the service and the EULA of the software |
| 22:59.05 | Shirik | wtf does that have anything to do with what I said, Shefki |
| 22:59.11 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, you are corret |
| 22:59.16 | Legorol | there is a paragraph in copyright law (Section 117. (a)(1)) which gives specific permission for the owner of a copy of a software to do copying |
| 22:59.18 | Hirsute | I thought Fair Use is just an abbreviation of the full name of that clause: Fair *Educational* Use |
| 22:59.39 | Shefki | Jamash: Right, but they had to combine both to get the copyright violation. |
| 22:59.41 | Shirik | Except that they don't own it Legorol |
| 22:59.47 | Legorol | Shirik: right |
| 22:59.48 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: thank you for saving me the trouble of logging in :P |
| 22:59.52 | Legorol | that was the contentious part of the case |
| 22:59.54 | Hirsute | That's the whole point of software "licenses" |
| 23:00.13 | cog|work | Hirsute: there are countless examples of non-educational fair use |
| 23:00.17 | cog|work | e.g. parody |
| 23:00.19 | Shirik | Wikipedia |
| 23:00.21 | cog|work | criticism |
| 23:00.25 | cog|work | etc |
| 23:00.26 | Legorol | Hirsute: there are several precedents in which a court ruled that regardless of the word "license" being used, the circumstances of the transaction effectively amounted to a sale, so the user was an owner. |
| 23:00.31 | Shirik | Depends on if you consider wikipedia "educational" |
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| 23:00.38 | Shefki | In any case I don't think fair use is particularly relevent here anyway. |
| 23:00.51 | Jamash | Fair use is critical here |
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| 23:00.51 | Hirsute | cog|work: I'm not incredibly versed in the matter, so I don't doubt I was wrong there. |
| 23:01.07 | Jamash | If the user copying the WoW client into memory is fair use, there's no case |
| 23:01.09 | Legorol | Jamash: no, fair use usually refers to sections of copyright law other than section 117 |
| 23:01.09 | Shirik | I think the judge's decision was perfectly sound and reasonable |
| 23:01.25 | Shirik | but we'll see soon enough |
| 23:01.28 | Legorol | Jamash: that wouldn't be fair use, that'd be a (legal) copying under section 117 |
| 23:01.30 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, you cannot however get them all the the same time |
| 23:01.47 | Kraps | tropicanas kosher for passover orange juice is a crime against all decent orange juice-drinking people |
| 23:01.53 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: *clad tries to lure you* |
| 23:01.55 | jnwhiteh | if you're not too busy :p |
| 23:01.59 | Legorol | Shirik: i think there are some debatable points of the decision, one of them being whehter WoW users are owners or licensors. |
| 23:02.06 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: lure me wher? :) |
| 23:02.08 | Legorol | oh |
| 23:02.11 | Legorol | got it :) |
| 23:02.13 | Shirik | And I still agree that the judge's decision was "perfectly sound and reasonable" |
| 23:02.15 | Shefki | I don't think the copyright law even has the word fair use in it. I was under the impression that was an entirely court created concept. |
| 23:02.15 | jnwhiteh | warlock pls? :P |
| 23:02.18 | Shirik | that WoW users are indeed not the owners |
| 23:02.45 | Jamash | Fair use is in the Copyright Act |
| 23:03.24 | Hirsute | Section 107 |
| 23:03.29 | Jamash | Just because I don't own the service doesn't mean I don't own the software |
| 23:03.31 | ZorbaTHut | the word "owner" is unfortunately very vague right now. |
| 23:03.46 | Shirik | I don't see what's so vague |
| 23:03.49 | Shirik | when did you buy the software? |
| 23:03.51 | Shirik | Never. |
| 23:03.57 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, do I own a book? |
| 23:03.57 | Shirik | it's not complicated |
| 23:04.04 | Shirik | I'm not getting into this argument with you again |
| 23:04.19 | Jamash | I bought the software when I paid money for it and received it. |
| 23:04.19 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* alright |
| 23:04.27 | Shefki | Shirik: Some people think the current licensing of software is an abomination. |
| 23:04.29 | Shirik | No you didn't Jamash |
| 23:04.31 | Jamash | Look up first sale |
| 23:04.33 | Shirik | you bought a CD and a book |
| 23:04.36 | Hirsute | The word "owner" *is* vague right now, and we have the concept of "Intellectual Property" to thank for that. |
| 23:04.51 | Shirik | you own a CD |
| 23:04.54 | Jamash | Intellectual Property is, as a concept, an illusion |
| 23:04.56 | Shefki | I'd tend to agree since it's simply an excuse to side step first sale. |
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| 23:05.12 | Shefki | And an attempt to expand the rights copyright owners have. |
| 23:05.18 | Shefki | Which are supposed to be fairly limited. |
| 23:05.27 | kamdis | shefki: i would agree with that to some extent. our old fashioned copyright law is horribly inadequate to cover software, the Internet, etc. |
| 23:05.31 | Jamash | It combines four or five unrelated rights into an omnibus "right" that doesn't exist |
| 23:05.36 | Shefki | Of course Congress doesn't understand the concept of limits and just extends the duration forever. |
| 23:05.44 | Hirsute | And given the stated purposes of copyright law, expansions of copyright holders right can never be in keeping with the original intent. |
| 23:05.50 | Shirik | If you try to argue that by purchasing a CD you are suddenly selling the software to everyone, then you will destroy the software industry |
| 23:05.52 | Shirik | Simple as that. |
| 23:06.01 | Codayus | If you REALLY owned the book, you'd have the right to sell copies of it - but you don't without explicit permission from the author and/or publisher. |
| 23:06.05 | Shirik | (Of course, free software foundation would love this |
| 23:06.05 | Ratness | In oh what have I walked into |
| 23:06.12 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, the way it's structured, you *do* own the book |
| 23:06.19 | ZorbaTHut | you do *not* have the ability to copy the book |
| 23:06.20 | kamdis | A hot mess, Ratness. |
| 23:06.23 | Jamash | Shirik: Do you understand the difference between owning a copy of something and owning the right to copy something? |
| 23:06.23 | Shefki | Shirik: How does it destroy the software industry to say that they have no more control of the secondary market than book publishers do. |
| 23:06.24 | ZorbaTHut | that's why it's called "copyright" |
| 23:06.31 | |Jelly| | Hot GHETTO Mess |
| 23:06.39 | Shirik | Shefki: the book industry is already a mess |
| 23:06.42 | Jamash | I own my copy of Watchment by Alan Moore |
| 23:06.42 | cog|work | checks his scrollback to make sure he wasn't responsible for any of this... |
| 23:06.44 | ZorbaTHut | but you do 100% own the book itself. |
| 23:06.53 | Jamash | I can take it and make a collage out of it |
| 23:06.57 | Jamash | And sell the collage |
| 23:07.05 | Jamash | I just can't make copies of the collage |
| 23:07.24 | Hirsute | Because the software industry is built around a far more expansive version of copyright, and their business model depends on us *not* respecting the initial intent of copyright law. |
| 23:07.31 | Ratness | The copyright law doesn't need changing. The way patents (spelling?) work with software does |
| 23:07.34 | Shirik | cog|work: Probably legorol was |
| 23:07.42 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:07.44 | ZorbaTHut | ratness, this actually isn't a patent issue, it's more of a licensing/copyright issue |
| 23:07.46 | Jamash | Ratness: Both copyright law *and* patent law need changing |
| 23:07.46 | Shirik | But I didn't bother to look |
| 23:07.50 | ZorbaTHut | (though I agree patents are broken as well :) ) |
| 23:07.59 | Shefki | Just becuase someone builds a business around a ridiculous and expansive interpretation of law doesn't mean we should allow that interpretation to sttand. |
| 23:08.04 | Hirsute | Copyright law needs reverting. |
| 23:08.16 | Jamash | Copyright should cover the right to make *and distribute*, and that's it |
| 23:08.21 | Hirsute | Shefki: I don't disagree, I'm just saying that's why it would destroy the software industry. |
| 23:08.30 | Lunessa | Software is unique in that it becomes more valuable the more copies of it are in existence rather than the reverse. |
| 23:08.31 | ZorbaTHut | at this point I honestly think we'd be better off with *no* copyright or patent law than what we have right now (though there's certainly a middle ground better than either extreme) |
| 23:08.38 | cog|work | ^ |
| 23:08.39 | Shefki | Hirsute: I don't think it would destroy the industry, they'd just have to adjust. |
| 23:08.46 | Jamash | ZorbaTHut: that's a bit extreme |
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| 23:09.08 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, yeah, it is extreme. I didn't say that no copyright law would be ideal, note. I just think it'd be better than the current mess |
| 23:09.12 | Shefki | Hirsute: God forbid they not make absurd amounts of money off selling more copies than people really need just becuase they want to restrict which computer you can use it on to the first computer it was ever used on... |
| 23:09.13 | Jamash | What we need is limited copyright, with owners of copyrighted material retaining substantial rights |
| 23:09.16 | bleeter | bornakk must be really getting to hate me. On and off for over a year I've kept asking for the Arena Latency statistics, as I have this theory that Arena is crack for Oceanics... yet he never responds :( |
| 23:09.35 | Jamash | such as the right to copy and modify without distributing |
| 23:09.41 | cog|work | ZorbaTHut: even without any legal framework specifically for copyrights, you can get a similar effect with contracts |
| 23:09.57 | Shirik | That would be an awesome day |
| 23:10.02 | Shirik | go to buy a software from best buy |
| 23:10.06 | Shirik | you have to sign to receive it |
| 23:10.26 | cog|work | Shirik: "contract" doesn't mean "signing paperwork" |
| 23:10.30 | Shirik | but it could |
| 23:10.36 | Hirsute | Anyone time for me to leave. In parting: If the purpose of copyright law is to promote innovation, extending the control a producer has over the product in time or features never makes sense, as it actually encourages them to spend resources on defending current products and delays the development of new ones. |
| 23:10.36 | Shirik | Best Buy already has those capabilities in place |
| 23:10.40 | Jamash | Another problem with using contract law to supercede copyright is that it isn't "limited" |
| 23:10.44 | Hirsute | s/Anyone/Anyhow |
| 23:10.45 | Codayus | Unless your talking about a HUGE change to existing law, then there's no reason to expect signatures. |
| 23:10.48 | Shirik | they do it all the time for phone services and ISPs |
| 23:11.17 | bleeter | ok |
| 23:11.37 | bleeter | next fucker who tries telling me that DCMA is a law that covers me gets a stab in all three eyes with a very pointy knife |
| 23:11.51 | bleeter | or four eyes |
| 23:11.53 | kamdis | shirik: it wouldn't be bestbuy you'd be contracting with though. |
| 23:11.53 | cog|work | bleeter: aww... no boomerang? |
| 23:11.55 | Hirsute | bleeter: Don't live in the US? |
| 23:11.55 | bleeter | or 6... |
| 23:12.00 | Jamash | If the owner of a copyright can force everyone to agree to a binding contract before purchasing, they can extend copyright to infinity years |
| 23:12.09 | bleeter | Hirsute: most of BLizz's customers don't live in the US |
| 23:12.13 | Jamash | this is clearly unconstitutional |
| 23:12.25 | cog|work | cog|work: could you at least thwack me over the head with a didgeridoo? |
| 23:12.28 | Hirsute | bleeter: Oh, I know. |
| 23:12.31 | cog|work | s/cog|work/bleeter/ |
| 23:12.32 | Shirik | of course not kamdis |
| 23:12.38 | bleeter | elephant in closet: Chinese (C) law |
| 23:12.49 | kamdis | do they even have copyright law? :P |
| 23:12.52 | Hirsute | I just wanted to make sure it was an "I don't live in the DMCA's jurisdiction" and not a "civil disobedience" type of argument. |
| 23:12.58 | ZorbaTHut | kamdis, technically, yes. Now ask if it's ever enforced. :) |
| 23:13.06 | kamdis | thta was my point. |
| 23:13.09 | kamdis | *that |
| 23:13.14 | kamdis | hence the :P |
| 23:13.15 | bleeter | Hirsute: well, I might do given the free trade agreement between US and USA. But that's totally untested |
| 23:13.16 | Lunessa | Copyright of some sort would need to exist if we don't want to go back to the patron system for creating works of art and science. |
| 23:13.34 | kamdis | Copyright law needs a major updating. |
| 23:13.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Ratness (i=smile@ip68-105-135-156.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:13.36 | bleeter | Hirsute: so Blizz would have to launch DMCA against me in the US, then try to extradite me or some crap under the FTA |
| 23:13.44 | Jamash | Copyright law needs an un-updating |
| 23:13.47 | kamdis | And not, imo, to make everything open source and freely copyable. |
| 23:14.00 | Lunessa | Yes, it does. But I can't believe it needs to be abolished entirely. |
| 23:14.01 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I disagree, and I also don't think that's necessarily an argument against it. :) |
| 23:14.01 | Hirsute | bleeter: Fun thing about very powerful corporations using untested laws: no one wants to test them because they don't have the resources to fight the powerful corporation. |
| 23:14.05 | Ratness | bah colloquy for ipod quit suddenly |
| 23:14.07 | Jamash | Let's bring copyright back to 14 years with a 14 year renewal |
| 23:14.13 | Ratness | er iphone w/e |
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| 23:14.35 | Hirsute | waves |
| 23:14.39 | bleeter | Hirsute: it's more fun when said corporation makes claims to be friendly etc. |
| 23:14.49 | bleeter | anyways |
| 23:14.52 | Ratness | I had a bunch of server connections open |
| 23:14.53 | Jamash | if it was good enough for george washington it's good enough for me |
| 23:14.54 | kamdis | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 23:14.58 | bleeter | anyone able to work out the Arena latency stats?? |
| 23:15.17 | Ratness | I didn't see what was the problem w/ the copyright law |
| 23:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ baaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 23:15.31 | bleeter | by now I can only fathom from blizz's lack of release is that.. yes.. Arena is shite for oceanics and they just like pulling a con trick on us all |
| 23:16.41 | Jamash | The problem with Blizzard vs MDY is that it removes the right of the user to actually use their legally purchased software as they see fit |
| 23:16.43 | Ratness | WoW's always had latency issues |
| 23:17.14 | bleeter | Ratness: I claim that arena should have induced latency so everyone's on a level playing field from the start ;) |
| 23:17.21 | cog|work | at least you don't get stuck on mining/herb nodes anymore... |
| 23:17.29 | Jamash | bleeter: O_o |
| 23:17.48 | Ratness | I've never seen the network code... i need to but i will have to use another computer |
| 23:18.19 | bleeter | Jamash: you try being on 350ms, as a rogue or druid, have someone walk right over the top of you and try to pounce/sap... ain't gunna happen ;) |
| 23:18.49 | bleeter | specially if you're in say, Sydney, and the other guy's in Singapore |
| 23:19.10 | bleeter | thus, there's an inherant unfairness in arena |
| 23:19.20 | Jamash | so, if I'm playing arena vs someone playing in nepal via satellite on a us realm, we should all have 2000ms pings? |
| 23:19.32 | Ratness | that's the thing... latency shouldn't be an issue w/ a ping 300 or less |
| 23:19.32 | bleeter | and people are probably being sold a dud by being told they can compete |
| 23:20.09 | bleeter | nah, it's like that authenticators are one time use. there's a hidden load of bullshit behind the advertised words. |
| 23:20.16 | bleeter | *one time password |
| 23:20.28 | Jamash | I wish they'd just open up a oceanic server farm |
| 23:20.53 | Jamash | how many realms are on oceanic time now? |
| 23:20.56 | bleeter | Ratness: you try and get a roundtrip from Singapore->Los Angeles->Melbourn->Los Angeles->Singapore in 300ms |
| 23:21.02 | bleeter | and you'll prolly win teh internets |
| 23:21.26 | Jamash | bleeter: run your own fiber |
| 23:21.51 | Ratness | You'd still end up w/ under 300 w/ that |
| 23:21.56 | Ratness | Er 400 |
| 23:22.02 | Ratness | Not 300 |
| 23:22.19 | bleeter | QED |
| 23:22.41 | Ratness | Everything is done via transalantic cabling... |
| 23:22.49 | bleeter | well no wonder the ping's shit |
| 23:22.57 | bleeter | if we're going across the pacific ocean via the atlantic |
| 23:23.04 | Jamash | that can't be true |
| 23:23.50 | Ratness | You think they use satalite? You would have a latency well over a second |
| 23:23.59 | Jamash | There are transpacific cables |
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| 23:24.26 | Ratness | Yes but not to asia |
| 23:24.30 | bleeter | Tuller! just the person I wanted to ping |
| 23:24.32 | bleeter | Ratness: wut?! |
| 23:24.38 | Jamash | bet you a billion dollars? |
| 23:24.47 | Tuller | bleeter: ? |
| 23:24.55 | Ratness | Wait I meant pacific |
| 23:25.01 | Ratness | My brain is not working lol |
| 23:25.12 | bleeter | Tuller: :P just wanted to follow up my Combuctor WoWI post by pinging you here was all :P |
| 23:25.12 | Ratness | Got the oceans mixed up |
| 23:25.21 | Ratness | Man that is a DUMB mistake |
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| 23:25.30 | Ratness | Why was I thinking alantic lol |
| 23:25.31 | Aznamir | hi all |
| 23:25.37 | Aznamir | anyone on PTR right now? |
| 23:25.49 | Jamash | Aznamir: yes |
| 23:25.53 | Tuller | bind to account filter? |
| 23:25.54 | Ratness | God now i'm embarressed |
| 23:26.26 | bleeter | Tuller: yar :P not a biggie, I just promised myself I'd ping you here next time I saw you :) feel free to go back to /ignore me :D |
| 23:26.38 | Tuller | bah :P |
| 23:26.41 | Lunessa | Binds to Account filter would be nice, but only useful for a small number of items. |
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| 23:26.53 | bleeter | Tuller: personally, though, I think BoA would be more useful than Legendary filter |
| 23:26.54 | Tuller | well, there's an artifact quality filter already :P |
| 23:26.57 | Thunder_Child | ~ping Tuller |
| 23:27.00 | Tuller | err leendary |
| 23:27.07 | Tuller | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 23:27.08 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* fix yourself purl |
| 23:27.11 | Lunessa | legendary! |
| 23:27.12 | bleeter | I suspect more people would be using BoA than Legendary |
| 23:27.18 | bleeter | *items |
| 23:27.23 | Tuller | true |
| 23:27.27 | Thunder_Child | Tuller, just messing around in regards to bleeter's comment |
| 23:27.33 | bleeter | anyways |
| 23:27.37 | Tuller | well, there's a global string for boa stuff in the next patch |
| 23:27.40 | Tuller | so probably after that |
| 23:27.46 | bleeter | I've done my morning pitch and bing and stuff |
| 23:27.49 | bleeter | Tuller: rightio :) |
| 23:28.07 | Tuller | worst case, you can add one to the quality filter and its done :P |
| 23:28.28 | bleeter | yar I know I could do it myself by messing with your code, but that's dirty! |
| 23:28.50 | bleeter | I'm happy to wait, just thought it would be something to mention as a reasonable future enhancement |
| 23:28.52 | Tuller | you do that, submit me a patch, on gcode, and I implement it :P |
| 23:29.11 | bleeter | waiting for next patch for a string sounds good to me ;) |
| 23:29.37 | Tuller | I just need a weekend where its not someone getting married, or me out of town to code :P |
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| 23:34.09 | Jamash | yay, I have a config panel! That does nothing! |
| 23:34.37 | Tuller | so you have a perfect configuration |
| 23:34.41 | Tuller | there's nowhere to go but down! |
| 23:34.46 | Jamash | true enough |
| 23:35.11 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, just fill it with a text box saying "There is no configuration. This addon is perfect." |
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| 23:35.34 | Jamash | yyyyyyeah |
| 23:36.30 | Tuller | tomorrow is april 1st... |
| 23:36.48 | kd3 | so glad I'm off work tomorrow |
| 23:36.50 | Tuller | maybe I should do someting about it |
| 23:36.52 | kd3 | so, so very glad |
| 23:37.16 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if someone is going to try to upstage last years rickroll |
| 23:37.23 | Jamash | so, uh, now that I've read the documentation for how to create a UI options panel, is there any documentation on what to *do* with one? |
| 23:37.50 | Tuller | add checkboxes that respond to click events with great furor |
| 23:38.39 | Jamash | sigh |
| 23:38.39 | Legorol | Jamash: you generally use it to configure options for your addon |
| 23:38.41 | Legorol | ducks |
| 23:39.33 | Jamash | Let's say I want my options panel to look more or less like Blizzard's option panels, for consistency's sake |
| 23:39.55 | Jamash | Should I just read their code and figure it out, or is there a guide somewhere |
| 23:43.15 | foxlit | there's a template or two you can inherit from. |
| 23:43.36 | foxlit | (which you should have a basic familiarity with anyway) |
| 23:43.41 | Jamash | yeah, I'm looking at OptionsPanelTemplates.xml |
| 23:44.25 | Tuller | so hrm, april 1st must be starting early (IE 8.1) |
| 23:44.39 | jnwhiteh | lua> http://lua.pastey.net/111353 |
| 23:44.40 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: I win, Some Magic Code |
| 23:45.00 | kd3 | wahahaha, fark: "North Andover Andover Andover man survives SUV rollover [Amusing]" |
| 23:45.01 | foxlit | It's april 1st somewhere |
| 23:47.22 | Jamash | so there's no real options frame "toolkit", I just make a transparent frame with stuff on it? |
| 23:47.46 | Tuller | more or less, yes |
| 23:47.54 | foxlit | As part of the default UI? Yeah, you've got the right idea. |
| 23:48.02 | foxlit | Just as you'd make your own addon UI :) |
| 23:48.20 | Tuller | for a fun and exciting task: write your own mini framework for it |
| 23:48.31 | Jamash | I'm thinking about it |
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| 23:49.34 | Jamash | I'm certainly not writing a giant bunch of static XML like blizzard is so fond of |
| 23:50.14 | foxlit | you'll write a bunch of static lua that's not much better |
| 23:50.16 | Legorol | Blizzard has good reasons for that though |
| 23:50.23 | Legorol | XML loads faster :) |
| 23:50.25 | foxlit | My old XML configuration code: |
| 23:50.31 | Legorol | and they generally know what their UI looks like |
| 23:50.41 | Legorol | and don't give many customization options, so static is fine |
| 23:50.45 | Jamash | I can read and write Lua. I can barely read XML, much less write it |
| 23:50.49 | foxlit | <CheckButton name="MyAddonOptionName" inherits="MyAddonOptionsCheckbox"/> |
| 23:52.46 | Ratness | I've never noticed a difference in the speed which an interface loads |
| 23:52.57 | Ratness | XML is faster to parse |
| 23:53.10 | Ratness | But pain to edit w/o a tool |
| 23:54.05 | amro | I'd say the opposite |
| 23:54.13 | amro | easy to edit, hard to parse |
| 23:54.23 | foxlit | he means algorithmically |
| 23:54.33 | Jamash | I'd say hard to do anything with |
| 23:54.35 | foxlit | you mean mentally |
| 23:54.40 | foxlit | (I presume) |
| 23:55.07 | amro | I mean algorithmically as well, though I'm not sure what he's comparing to |
| 23:55.14 | amro | probably lua, so nevermind |
| 23:55.24 | kamdis | http://www.inquisitr.com/20970/motorized-bar-stool/ |
| 23:55.35 | Legorol | I meant that WoW will load, parse and interpret XML faster probably than the equivalent Lua statements to create an identical structure |
| 23:56.11 | Tuller | xml a looong time ago had issues that made lua frame creation better |
| 23:56.29 | Ratness | wonders what amro thought he was comparing XML too... |
| 23:56.33 | Legorol | the only issue I can think of is the ability to create an undefined number of objects |
| 23:56.43 | Ratness | XML is highly highly stuctured... |
| 23:56.44 | amro | Ratness: binary? :D |
| 23:56.45 | Ratness | LUA is not |
| 23:56.51 | krka | Ratness: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. ^_^ |
| 23:56.52 | Legorol | Ratness: Lua is not an acronym |
| 23:56.55 | Legorol | rofl |
| 23:57.00 | foxlit | Ratness: meh. |
| 23:57.02 | Legorol | krka-bot beat me |
| 23:57.14 | foxlit | It all ends up being the same tokenizer + lookahead parser setup |
| 23:57.18 | Ratness | I know habbit of typing Three letter computer terms in caps |
| 23:57.30 | Legorol | such as TWO? |
| 23:57.31 | Legorol | or ONE? |
| 23:57.36 | amro | foxlit: it depends on the blizzard routines that handle them as well |
| 23:57.36 | foxlit | ZER! |
| 23:57.38 | Ratness | Those are not computer terms |
| 23:57.50 | Tuller | lua -> c = pants |
| 23:57.54 | Legorol | try and tell that to a computer, which works exclusively with ONEs and zeros |
| 23:58.02 | Jamash | what would be nice would be a program that would take a live WoW UI object and "freeze" it to XML |
| 23:58.20 | foxlit | Heck, why stop there |
| 23:58.21 | Ratness | You mean 1s and 0s |
| 23:58.24 | amro | Legorol: ONE is not an acronym ;) |
| 23:58.30 | Legorol | Jamash: there used to be a project for a graphical UI editor like that, it died along the way somewhere |
| 23:58.39 | foxlit | why not implement a frame editor for WoW in WoW |
| 23:58.47 | Jamash | Legorol: I mean that would run inside WoW, not as an external app |
| 23:59.01 | Ratness | How would you export the edited data? |
| 23:59.03 | Tuller | foxlit: because that was my idea a long time ago :P |
| 23:59.07 | Legorol | Ratness: copy/paste |
| 23:59.08 | Jamash | Ratness: Copy and paste |
| 23:59.16 | Ratness | Ouch that's slopppy |
| 23:59.20 | Jamash | Not really |
| 23:59.23 | Legorol | there is no other way though |
| 23:59.27 | Legorol | and it's fairlyl reliable |
| 23:59.29 | Jamash | How else do you export data from wow? |
| 23:59.31 | Legorol | you can still store and save all the data |
| 23:59.40 | foxlit | Tuller: slacker ;) |
| 23:59.44 | Jamash | SavedVariables, screenshots and copy/paste |
| 23:59.45 | Legorol | store the data in your savedvariables files, and when you want to export, copy/paste |
| 23:59.46 | amro | dare I say... parse SV? |
