| 00:00.58 | Kirov | Ace - Who needs documentation when your users need to be able to read / write Lua just to make an addon useful! |
| 00:01.20 | Dashkal | Are there stats for the argent tourney weapons yet? |
| 00:02.35 | End | oh wow |
| 00:02.44 | End | even wowwiki has the fullscreen warhammer ads |
| 00:03.17 | mikma | i'm sure even you would ie. tattoo warhammer in your butt if the price is right ;) |
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| 00:04.14 | Adys | hm |
| 00:04.24 | mikma | did the "butt" wake you up adys? |
| 00:04.35 | Adys | butt doesnt wake me up, it keeps me awake |
| 00:04.54 | Adys | anyone ingame could tell me what color the name of a butt is? the first line |
| 00:05.00 | Adys | ... buff |
| 00:05.41 | mikma | lolbutt |
| 00:05.51 | Dagmar | color the name of a butt... |
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| 00:06.13 | Dagmar | Maybe it depends on who your parents were |
| 00:06.37 | mikma | spanky spanky |
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| 00:09.22 | Shirik | Pop quiz |
| 00:09.27 | mikma | shirik: fail. |
| 00:09.37 | Shirik | Reasons for "_____ has left the guild." while user is offline |
| 00:09.39 | Shirik | go! |
| 00:09.47 | mikma | shirik: shoot the hostage |
| 00:09.47 | Shirik | (a) character deleted, (b) server transfer |
| 00:09.50 | kd3 | server change |
| 00:10.03 | Shirik | I find B to be extremely unlikely |
| 00:10.09 | Arrowmaster | deQer: its in the dropdown menu afaik |
| 00:10.14 | mikma | shirik: BAN! |
| 00:10.16 | Shirik | I find A to be unusual but possible |
| 00:10.32 | Shirik | I didn't think bans would remove from guild |
| 00:10.58 | mikma | character delete? |
| 00:11.10 | Dagmar | Name change |
| 00:11.28 | mikma | afaik, migrate / delete wouldn't remove from guild |
| 00:11.31 | End | Shirik: character delete doesn't cause that |
| 00:11.34 | kd3 | name changes automatically update friend/ignore/guild lists |
| 00:11.41 | mikma | it just disappears |
| 00:11.44 | End | yeah |
| 00:11.48 | Arrowmaster | try adding the person to friends list |
| 00:11.49 | End | no log, no message, nothing |
| 00:11.49 | foxlit | Shirik: add as friend |
| 00:11.50 | End | poof |
| 00:11.55 | Shirik | It's also theoretically possible I didn't type /who fast enough |
| 00:12.02 | Shirik | However, I saw him log off, then left guild and never saw him log on again |
| 00:12.08 | Dagmar | So then why woulnd't a migration/deletion update the guild roll when it updates ignore lists? |
| 00:12.22 | Shirik | ok /friend still works |
| 00:12.47 | mikma | shirik: /gquit; /camp |
| 00:12.56 | Arrowmaster | also an account to account transfer drops your guild |
| 00:13.23 | kmcguire | It seems to leave the character in the guild. This is not confirmed, but it seems like it does. |
| 00:15.34 | Dagmar | Wouldn't this mean you could ninja membership then? |
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| 00:17.24 | mikma | does BigWigs still have old world bosses in? |
| 00:18.04 | Kirov | not by default |
| 00:18.35 | Jamash | wooooo, exalted with Kalu'ak! |
| 00:18.46 | Kirov | They recently added VoidReaverAlarm style blue screen flashes though ... not sure how I feel about that particular feature |
| 00:18.48 | mikma | since the old AQ40 would break rule nr.6 xD |
| 00:18.52 | Jamash | I has Pengu |
| 00:19.06 | Kirov | nr.6? |
| 00:19.46 | mikma | 6) Add-ons must not contain offensive or objectionable material. |
| 00:19.51 | mikma | World of Warcraft has been given a .T. by the ESRB, and similar ratings from other ratings boards around the world. Blizzard Entertainment requires that add-ons not include any material that would not be allowed under these ratings. |
| 00:20.08 | Kirov | Ah |
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| 00:21.10 | Kirov | TENTICLE R... uh ... SURPRISE ATTACK |
| 00:21.31 | mikma | bingo |
| 00:21.32 | Jamash | lawl, my inner turmoil is fighting me with a fishing pole |
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| 00:28.31 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/9608/01bb6d57563a7b2a06fc92c5a3fe93cd.gif |
| 00:32.11 | JackBurton7676 | priceless |
| 00:33.12 | Wobin | Dagmar: hm, I want to undermine the saronite arrow making in the AH... but since I'm not an engineer, it means going through a third guildie party =P |
| 00:33.41 | Wobin | also, since my current stock is all essentially profit, as it's premined, rather than AH bought |
| 00:35.01 | NeoTron | I wonder why does every single DK DPS piece have one blue gem slot? |
| 00:35.10 | NeoTron | the tank set has better dps gem slots than the dps set.. |
| 00:37.26 | AnduinLothar | Anyone got a favorit Micro Button replacement that doesn't use Fubar? |
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| 00:38.57 | Arrowmaster | AnduinLothar: tek has something with a name starting with pico |
| 00:39.11 | AnduinLothar | oh god. guild just got loremaster |
| 00:39.15 | AnduinLothar | time to gquit |
| 00:39.21 | AnduinLothar | guildie* |
| 00:40.02 | Tekkub | picoButtons, if you have an LDB quicklaunch display :P |
| 00:40.03 | kd3 | has been loremaster since jan 27 |
| 00:40.12 | AnduinLothar | picobuttons |
| 00:40.19 | AnduinLothar | which i don't... |
| 00:40.24 | Tekkub | fail |
| 00:40.51 | Tekkub | if you're not using Fubar, how can you not be using LDB then? |
| 00:41.10 | Tekkub | Fu's the only one that doesn't do LDB nativly |
| 00:41.26 | AnduinLothar | I retired Fubar before LDB was really in full swing |
| 00:42.24 | AnduinLothar | spose i could try out clad's LDB barmod |
| 00:42.51 | AnduinLothar | not sure i really want a bar mod tho |
| 00:43.17 | AnduinLothar | tho it would prolly let me nuke some mmbuttons |
| 00:43.40 | NeoTron | so each T7 set has 7 gem slots. for DK's 5 of those are blue. It's by far the worst gems of any dps tier set |
| 00:43.46 | Wobin | AnduinLothar: that's what I use it for |
| 00:43.49 | NeoTron | has got to be a bug |
| 00:44.04 | AnduinLothar | mm buttons don't really bother me tho |
| 00:44.23 | AnduinLothar | lil ugly i spose but not functionally annoying as long as you can relocate them easily |
| 00:44.28 | kd3 | cannot stand minimap buttons |
| 00:44.53 | kd3 | only one I use is the tracking one |
| 00:46.06 | AnduinLothar | the only time they annoy me is when they overlap, but that's what FluidFrames is for |
| 00:46.36 | NeoTron | HAI I AM DK I NEED MORES STAMS |
| 00:46.50 | AnduinLothar | yeah i'm with you ont eh gems. fuck blue slots |
| 00:47.14 | AnduinLothar | sarth2d plate dps helm has a blue slot good game.... |
| 00:47.37 | Wobin | NeoTron: stam is nice for a dk |
| 00:47.40 | Wobin | (tank) |
| 00:47.50 | NeoTron | Wobin: the TANK set only has 4 slots.. and 2 red |
| 00:47.56 | NeoTron | so yes the DPS set has more blue gem slots |
| 00:48.11 | NeoTron | no other physical DPS set has more than 2 blue gem slots, as it should be |
| 00:48.15 | Wobin | tell me about it =\ |
| 00:48.20 | Wobin | I'm using nonset gear |
| 00:48.23 | Kirov | All the more reason to go jewelcrafting and fill those with chromatics |
| 00:48.35 | AnduinLothar | lol Tekkub, is there a way to make it offset the images correctly? |
| 00:48.35 | NeoTron | Kirov: except of course most of the set bonuses will be useless :P |
| 00:49.08 | AnduinLothar | looks liek you just slapped int he images without offsetting by % |
| 00:49.14 | NeoTron | warrior helm: 8 str, dk helm: 8 crit. durr |
| 00:49.31 | NeoTron | the str is like what, twice as good as crit? :P |
| 00:49.32 | Tekkub | the display needs to support that field :P |
| 00:49.48 | AnduinLothar | ahh ok, so clad's fault? |
| 00:49.56 | Tekkub | totally! |
| 00:50.01 | AnduinLothar | pokes jnwhiteh |
| 00:50.03 | Tekkub | actually I thin khe used a different key name |
| 00:50.28 | Tekkub | ironclad, did you put some sort of settexcoord support in your display? |
| 00:50.58 | AnduinLothar | who's Ironclad... |
| 00:51.06 | Tekkub | iron clad hair |
| 00:51.53 | Tekkub | ah he did, iconCoords |
| 00:52.37 | AnduinLothar | anyone know what's happening to Atlas come 3.1? |
| 00:53.22 | Tekkub | one can hope it goes the way of the dodo |
| 00:53.34 | Tekkub | AnduinLothar, http://bit.ly/w2HJr |
| 00:53.42 | Tekkub | I'll push out a release over the weekend |
| 00:53.45 | AnduinLothar | well the boss listing is still sorta useful |
| 00:54.16 | Tekkub | you could make a super tiny addon to add boss pins to the new maps |
| 00:54.21 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 00:54.48 | Tekkub | oh god, I just had a vision... Cartographer_instance_bosses |
| 00:54.50 | Tekkub | *shudder* |
| 00:55.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Pizik_afk (n=Pizik@planeshift/gamemaster/Pizik) |
| 00:57.04 | Pizik_afk | When an addon sends a /w to another client with data, for example, Healbot, is it the addon that suppresses the info and stops it being visible, or is it the client based on some kind of combination in the /w? |
| 00:57.30 | AnduinLothar | you can send a hidden msg using the api |
| 00:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Pizik_afk: addons sending whispers are not hidden to either the sender or reciever. If you want to use the whisper channel and hide it, you get to play with chat filters |
| 00:59.06 | AnduinLothar | anyone know of something that moves the Calendar button to LDB? |
| 00:59.29 | Tekkub | AnduinLothar, squeenix! |
| 00:59.31 | mikma | no, but you'll code on for sure |
| 00:59.38 | Tekkub | tho it's a bit of a secondary feature |
| 00:59.42 | Pizik_afk | Hmmm, ok, getting whisper spam with healbot on 2.4.3 |
| 01:00.17 | Tekkub | you can rip out just the LDB feed if you don't want the rest of squee |
| 01:00.19 | Torhal | Pizik_afk: 2.4.3? Private server |
| 01:00.30 | Tekkub | OMG BAND! |
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| 01:00.59 | mikma | pizik_afk: are you chinese farmer? |
| 01:01.08 | Pizik_afk | I would never do, or admit to such a thing here ;o) |
| 01:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Pizik_afk: it should be noted that there is a blizzard employee sitting in channel at the moment. Further discussion may be stupid on your part. :) |
| 01:01.37 | Pizik_afk | mikma: I don't think many Chinese Farmers have net access ;op |
| 01:02.05 | mikma | i don't know about you but i would /quit after saying stuff like that in public! |
| 01:02.07 | Kirov | blizzard haz spiez evarywar! |
| 01:02.16 | Pizik_afk | ScytheBlade1: As I say, I did not say I was using it, and regardless, they should really not care |
| 01:02.32 | Wobin | er we care |
| 01:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Pizik_afk: they do, and no one here cares for your defenses based simply upon not giving a solid answer. |
| 01:02.45 | Torhal | Pizik_afk: You said you get whisper spam in 2.4.3, which would have to be private server...and private servers are not legal. |
| 01:03.15 | mikma | or, chinese servers which have 2.4.3 |
| 01:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: they are running 3.x I'm pretty sure, simply without the other content. |
| 01:03.39 | Torhal | Mikk: Xinhuan said they're on 3.0.8, just don't have WoTLK |
| 01:03.41 | Pizik_afk | I do not care to argue about it. I pay for a subscription. So I wil do as I wish |
| 01:03.49 | mikma | torhal: faiiiiil |
| 01:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Well please keep in mind that you will get exceptionally limited support as a result. |
| 01:05.46 | mikma | and don't mind if you are asked to leave ^^ |
| 01:05.55 | AnduinLothar | wait, wut Tekkub? I'm already using squee... |
| 01:06.01 | Wobin | also any advice may not apply |
| 01:06.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You are not the first and certaintly not the last to come here under similar cirumstances and get this exact same treatement. |
| 01:06.07 | Wobin | since we deal with 3.0 |
| 01:06.29 | Wobin | and it'll be up to you to reengineer anything patchworth backwards |
| 01:06.45 | AnduinLothar | Tekkub: is that a new feature? |
| 01:07.00 | ZorbaTHut | pizik, I think it mostly comes down to the fact that people here no longer care about 2.4.3, and 2.4.3 servers may not be even remotely compatible with the WoW API, and so fundamentally you're on your own |
| 01:07.04 | Tekkub | new since 3.0 |
| 01:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: good way of putting it |
| 01:07.22 | AnduinLothar | I see the LDB for the clock, but not for the Cal |
| 01:07.25 | ZorbaTHut | if your 2.4.3 server implemented "check your quest log" as "summon Ragnaros", and you wanted to know why opening your quest log always summoned Ragnaros, we'd just shrug and say you were on your own. |
| 01:07.37 | Tekkub | there's a clock feed in squee using the default UI's code.. shift-click opens the cal |
| 01:07.51 | Wobin | checks his quest log |
| 01:07.53 | Wobin | ARGGGGH |
| 01:07.53 | Tekkub | and it blinks a ? if you have pending invites |
| 01:08.00 | kd3 | checks his quest log too |
| 01:08.18 | AnduinLothar | nope, not working, let me update... |
| 01:08.28 | ZorbaTHut | that would be a pretty sweet feature, in some sense |
| 01:08.29 | Pizik_afk | mikma: That would be pointless. ScytheBlade1: I don't mind particularly. Wobin: I understood that. it was a general answer to the question I was looking for. ZorbaTHut: thank you, I was unsure if the API was fully transferable or not. But I can understand why it would not be. |
| 01:08.41 | mikma | also, you suck. |
| 01:08.52 | mikma | KIAAAAAA! http://media.fukung.net/images/1041/aniikfightrt.gif |
| 01:09.00 | ZorbaTHut | pizik, the answer to that question is really "how well did the private server coder duplicate the behavior". to answer that question . . . well, play around with it, and if you find problems, the answer is "not very well" ;) |
| 01:09.06 | AnduinLothar | yeah i must have been using an old vers. works now |
| 01:09.27 | Pizik_afk | ZorbaTHut: I tink it is an example of them not duplicating it correctly ;o) |
| 01:09.43 | ZorbaTHut | personally, I actually don't mind if you use 2.4.3 private servers, but I'm sure not gonna be able to provide tech support :) |
| 01:10.53 | AnduinLothar | DBM had a LDB feed now? |
| 01:11.10 | Pizik_afk | Nah, it was not so much tech support I was after. I don't want to know how to fix it. Just was curious about why it would be broken. |
| 01:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: to be honest, I thought you would be one of the people who really cared. Mostly considering how much crap such servers have done to thottbot and such |
| 01:11.56 | Pizik_afk | People actually use the thottbot data gatherer on private servers? |
| 01:12.02 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Pizik_afk: in short, addons are constantly updated with zero concern for previous versions. It is not remotly surprising that it has broken. |
| 01:12.07 | Pizik_afk | retards.... |
| 01:12.30 | Pizik_afk | ScytheBlade1: it is a correct version for the server |
| 01:12.53 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, I have a very high standard for people's rights to modify software locally. As far as I'm concerned, if you get a legal copy of Software Package X, you're allowed to do whatever you please with it, up to and including modifying and duplicating it |
| 01:13.00 | ZorbaTHut | I think the bnetd ruling was terrible, in summary. :) |
| 01:13.05 | Pizik_afk | But server fail seems to be a perfect and reasonable answer to why it is not working correctly |
| 01:13.21 | ZorbaTHut | that said, yeah, people who run private servers and submit the data piss me off royally . . . but really, that's my problem, not theirs. |
| 01:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Pizik_afk: it is an ace addon, yes? That is very hard to tell, considering how many components are involved. |
| 01:13.39 | Pizik_afk | I am not sure to be honest |
| 01:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: and that's fine, I just figured that it would have effected you in one way shape or form. |
| 01:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | (negatively) |
| 01:14.21 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, yeah, I don't really want to think about how much effort I've spent fixing private server problems. That was actually one of the big motivations for 1.0, there's some extra doublechecking in the collected data format now ;) |
| 01:14.40 | ZorbaTHut | (private servers really being yet another form of corruption, and the 0.x gathering being extraordinarily vulnerable to corruption) |
| 01:15.00 | AnduinLothar | Is there a LDB for bags that still allows you to upgrade the bags you're using? |
| 01:15.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Pizik_afk: for quite some time, ragnaros had a very common spawn point in Goldshire. |
| 01:15.43 | AnduinLothar | I use Baggins so i don't even need them visible except to be able to upgrade them... |
| 01:15.48 | Pizik_afk | In essence I have no issue with Private servers, but ones who make profit from other peoples code is dubious IMO. |
| 01:16.34 | ZorbaTHut | pizik, I'm personally totally fine with that as well, as long as it's done within the bounds of whatever license was agreed upon, and taking the first sale doctrine to apply to software as well |
| 01:16.48 | ZorbaTHut | buying a game and copying it for your friends: not fine |
| 01:17.05 | ZorbaTHut | buying Warhammer Online, never subscribing, and writing a private server: totally fine (hey, they sold you the software) |
| 01:17.12 | Pizik_afk | Sadly, Blizzard supply the game free for Private server use |
| 01:17.29 | Cairenn | ... |
| 01:17.52 | Pizik_afk | paid his 80 quid |
| 01:17.53 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, and I think that, overall, once it's on my hard drive with permission from the distributor, it's mine to muck with as I want. Which may be an unpopular opinion. :) |
| 01:19.17 | Cairenn | ZorbaTHut, Pizik_afk, discussion of private servers, violation of software laws, etc is NOT allowed in this channel other than in as theoretical discussion, and you at the very least (ZorbaTHut) know that |
| 01:19.26 | Cairenn | keep it up and take a vacation from the channel |
| 01:19.39 | ZorbaTHut | really? I didn't actually know that, I thought non-civil debate was what was disallowed |
| 01:19.41 | ZorbaTHut | Sorry. |
| 01:20.11 | Cairenn | this channel has always had the same rules as WoWI |
| 01:20.14 | Pizik_afk | I thought that promotion and discussion of specific servers was disallowed. And I thought this was fairly theorhetical |
| 01:20.32 | Cairenn | which includes following Blizz's EULA & TOU |
| 01:20.36 | ZorbaTHut | until just now, I wasn't actually aware that was disallowed on WoWI either :P |
| 01:20.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 01:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well now you know |
| 01:20.47 | foxlit | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2009/03/img_4643.jpg |
| 01:20.47 | Cairenn | then you've never bothered to read the site rules |
| 01:21.02 | foxlit | That makes for an interesting screenshot |
| 01:21.15 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* it's possible, yeah |
| 01:21.43 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, which presentation was that? I oughta check out the video once they're up |
| 01:22.03 | Pizik_afk | Who reads rules these days ;o) Someone always tells you when you break them ;op |
| 01:22.08 | foxlit | kaplan at gdc |
| 01:22.08 | mikma | looks like one of my favorite zones evah |
| 01:22.25 | Arrowmaster | any 'official fansite' has to make sure its users follow the blizz eula/tou |
| 01:22.58 | AnduinLothar | You read the traffic laws, right? |
| 01:23.11 | Pizik_afk | nope |
| 01:23.16 | Cairenn | and while this channel is non-site specific, it's still "run" by fansite staff, so the rules apply |
| 01:23.20 | Pizik_afk | Your parents tell you when you break them |
| 01:23.30 | ZorbaTHut | anduin, who reads all the legal books before doing anything? :P |
| 01:23.40 | Arrowmaster | AnduinLothar: i had to at one point but i dont remember much from it that i didnt already know |
| 01:23.55 | Wobin | Pizik_afk: and in this case, Cairenn is the parent |
| 01:24.10 | Pizik_afk | Wobin: My point stands ;op |
| 01:24.16 | Pizik_afk | 01:22:06) Pizik_afk: Who reads rules these days ;o) Someone always tells you when you break them ;op |
| 01:24.25 | Wobin | and if you cross her, she can ban you =) |
| 01:24.38 | Cairenn | so you don't read the speed limit signs, you wait for the cop to give you a ticket? |
| 01:24.55 | Wobin | Well, it's -one- way of learning |
| 01:24.55 | Pizik_afk | I don't drive ;o) |
| 01:24.59 | Arrowmaster | the part about something called speed limits i think was really fuzzy, the signs are fuzzy too |
| 01:25.29 | Cairenn | now you're just being deliberately obtuse |
| 01:25.30 | ZorbaTHut | cairenn, sure I do. but I don't know exactly what hour of the day I'm legally required to turn on my headlights, I don't know precisely how many feet I'm required to stop before intersections, etc etc etc. |
| 01:25.32 | AnduinLothar | signs were the most interesting part of traffic school imo |
| 01:25.40 | mikma | cairenn: give him a vacation! |
| 01:25.45 | ZorbaTHut | there's a lot of excruciating detail that nobody ever really bothers with, once they get past the generalities. |
| 01:25.50 | ZorbaTHut | (In any legal system.) |
| 01:25.57 | Cairenn | mikma: I'll give you a vacation :p |
| 01:26.02 | Arrowmaster | has been to the point of license suspension on next ticket before |
| 01:26.04 | mikma | cairenn: noooo! wait, waiiiit |
| 01:26.11 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:26.28 | AnduinLothar | likes to stick to 1 speeding ticket every 2 years |
| 01:26.55 | AnduinLothar | it's like the speeding tolls |
| 01:27.00 | Arrowmaster | until the last one i got all of mine were for 20 mph over, then i got a 30 mph over.... |
| 01:27.25 | AnduinLothar | i was given a 99 in a 65 |
| 01:27.27 | Cairenn | as I said, though, discussion of private servers, violation of software laws, etc, is only to be done in a theoretical manner - inciting to break those laws isn't theoretical |
| 01:27.39 | AnduinLothar | 100 woulda got my car impounded |
| 01:27.53 | Arrowmaster | how fast were you really going? |
| 01:27.55 | Vonhinten | not necessarily |
| 01:28.07 | Vonhinten | 25 is the point at which you're likely headed to court, at least |
| 01:28.17 | Vonhinten | 25 over |
| 01:28.52 | AnduinLothar | I prolly managed to slow down to 105ish by the time the cop was in range to clock me |
| 01:28.59 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 01:29.02 | mikma | cairenn: http://media.fukung.net/images/12004/a86cff416b8bfdb765ae063e4c2a6445.jpg <- use that |
| 01:29.04 | ScytheBlade1 | From? |
| 01:29.07 | Pizik_afk | Cairenn: If that is the case, I fail to see where a rule was breached. I was speaking 'theorhetically' at the worst. It was those who were baiting me into making an admission that were not. |
| 01:29.11 | AnduinLothar | who knows.. |
| 01:29.20 | AnduinLothar | i dont drive a sports car |
| 01:29.23 | Arrowmaster | i got a 30 mph over ticket which put me at the point limit that another would suspend my license, didnt have to go to court |
| 01:29.24 | AnduinLothar | but it is manual |
| 01:29.30 | Arrowmaster | hehe |
| 01:29.30 | AnduinLothar | and it was 2am |
| 01:29.52 | Arrowmaster | i did 130 at like 2am |
| 01:29.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Pizik_afk: okay then let me clarify what I meant earlier. Such discussion even concerning the possibilities is grounds to be removed, regardless of what was or was not said |
| 01:30.01 | Arrowmaster | and also have a manual |
| 01:30.05 | Arrowmaster | automatics suck |
| 01:30.09 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 01:30.41 | AnduinLothar | uh oh guys... my UI is almost pretty |
| 01:30.51 | Wobin | quick, dowload titanbar |
| 01:31.02 | smcn | lol irl |
| 01:31.13 | Arrowmaster | i was doing atleast 40 over once and had a cop try to pull me over |
| 01:31.17 | AnduinLothar | i feel kinda dirty. I should go back to my asymetrical mess |
| 01:31.27 | Arrowmaster | notice i said try |
| 01:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | my uncle |
| 01:32.03 | ZorbaTHut | heh, http://www.brokentoys.org/2009/03/27/jeff-kaplan-does-gdc-explains-how-not-to-write-quests/ is an excellent summary. I do remember one presentation by the EQ devs who basically said "yeah, if you just let players do whatever they want, they'll hate you for it" |
| 01:32.07 | AnduinLothar | this is what it was before: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7758/ui120708.jpg |
| 01:32.08 | ZorbaTHut | "you have to trick them into having fun" |
| 01:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Caught going 60 over (in a 75 zone) |
| 01:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | In another state than his home state |
| 01:32.16 | ZorbaTHut | which is 100% accurate too :P |
| 01:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | With no license |
| 01:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Registration |
| 01:32.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Or proof of insurance |
| 01:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Got a warning. |
| 01:32.37 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 01:32.41 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 01:32.41 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Cop didn't want to go to all of that crap to track down his info |
| 01:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Across state lines, etc |
| 01:33.07 | Wobin | ah yes, paperwork |
| 01:33.08 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 01:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be noted he had his wife and 3 children in the car with him |
| 01:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | This was also in the middle of absolute nowhere |
| 01:34.09 | Arrowmaster | seriously, if theres no other cars on the road who cars how fast your going |
| 01:35.42 | ScytheBlade1 | The officer evidently care enough to do the paperwork! |
| 01:35.45 | ScytheBlade1 | So you may have a point |
| 01:35.49 | AnduinLothar | lol i like the line at the bottom of that summary "World of Warcraft has 12 million more subscribers than you do." |
| 01:36.09 | Corrodias_2 | :D |
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| 01:36.53 | Corrodias_2 | shit that's a big screen |
| 01:37.13 | AnduinLothar | oh mine? yeah |
| 01:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'M IN THAT SCREENSHOT |
| 01:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Too bad that guild died |
| 01:37.27 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
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| 01:38.00 | AnduinLothar | big screen so i can scale things up and squeeze a lot of crap ont he screen |
| 01:38.16 | AnduinLothar | and still have a 2nd monitor for chat and browser |
| 01:38.17 | Corrodias_2 | yeah |
| 01:38.19 | Kraft | why such a big screen with such a big ui scale/ |
| 01:38.23 | Corrodias_2 | you suck now. |
| 01:38.46 | Vonhinten | Kaplan is wrong about Wintergrasp. People don't like it because it was painfully lagged to shit. The reward system is confused and.. meaningless, and there's too many PVE reason to go there (Revenants, Herbs, Ore, VoA)... |
| 01:38.53 | AnduinLothar | you need a bg scale on a big screen |
| 01:38.59 | AnduinLothar | unless you sit a foot away |
| 01:39.00 | Vonhinten | PVP needs to be there for the sake of PVP, and the PVP needs to be meaninful |
| 01:39.02 | Kraft | not really |
| 01:39.18 | Kraft | im running a 24" with the min UI scale, and i can see everythign fine |
| 01:39.25 | AnduinLothar | you're special |
| 01:39.33 | Kraft | unless you're running that on a 40" tv then its far too big |
| 01:39.38 | AnduinLothar | I used to play at 0.8 scale on my 20" |
| 01:40.08 | AnduinLothar | the trick is making the right things big tho, and not everything big |
| 01:40.22 | Kraft | ..but everythign on your screen is big.. |
| 01:40.30 | Kraft | what size screen/what res are you running? |
| 01:40.53 | AnduinLothar | 2560x1600 |
| 01:41.01 | AnduinLothar | 30" |
| 01:41.31 | Kraft | sigh |
| 01:42.04 | Kraft | you must sit the other side of the room to need everythign scaled up that big |
| 01:42.15 | Kraft | everything* |
| 01:42.35 | AnduinLothar | notice i did post that as what not to do :P |
| 01:43.04 | AnduinLothar | but i'll still have a few things fairly big |
| 01:43.17 | Kraft | ahh i see ^^ |
| 01:43.18 | Kraft | sorry :P |
| 01:43.50 | AnduinLothar | trying to figure out what do do with my bags... |
| 01:44.22 | Kraft | everyone hates my UI's so i think im just bitter :P |
| 01:44.46 | Wobin | the only person that needs to like my UI.. is me |
| 01:45.00 | AnduinLothar | all that matters imo |
| 01:45.19 | Kraft | i agree, but sometimes feedback can really help with stuff you havnt noticed |
| 01:45.19 | AnduinLothar | i've never said my UI ever looked good. I put way too much info ont he screen at one timw |
| 01:45.21 | ZorbaTHut | von, on the other hand, people like Wintergrasp far more than any other world PvP blizzard has set up |
| 01:45.27 | ZorbaTHut | most of which has simply been ignored |
| 01:45.50 | ZorbaTHut | in the case of Wintergrasp, at least people are bothering with it |
| 01:45.52 | AnduinLothar | but i dont really set it up for prettiness |
| 01:45.59 | AnduinLothar | i set it up to be usable |
| 01:46.13 | Vonhinten | Yeah, all the other world PVP are pointless... they offer no real meaningful reward |
| 01:46.19 | AnduinLothar | if somethign gets in my way i drag it somewhere else |
| 01:47.11 | Anaralx2 | Wintergrasp is far more advanced and interactive than any other world pvp too. |
| 01:47.14 | Vonhinten | Wintergrasp also only promotes PVP every 2.5 hours |
| 01:47.57 | ZorbaTHut | basically, in two or three expansions, they might finally figure out how to do a good world pvp zone ;) |
| 01:48.02 | Kraft | http://s5.tinypic.com/21dlveo.jpg |
| 01:48.15 | Kraft | mine atm (ignoring dodgy grid) |
| 01:48.15 | Vonhinten | It's not like DAoC isn't there as a case study... |
| 01:48.17 | ZorbaTHut | I really feel like next expansion they should set up three world pvp zones, and just leave two of them empty on release. figure out what to do with them later. |
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| 01:50.02 | seebs_ | I have a slightly off-topic question. Anyone good at figuring out WoW performance weirdness? |
| 01:50.29 | Kraft | how do you know that wasnt the topic? :P |
| 01:51.57 | Vonhinten | Zorba, I swear I know your name from somewhere... You ever go to #c, #c++ or #winprog on efnet? |
| 01:52.00 | AnduinLothar | i hate it when i cant remember what addon it is that i'm using to do something... |
| 01:52.06 | AnduinLothar | and cant find the config |
| 01:52.17 | ZorbaTHut | von, yeah, one of the #c++ ops for many, many years :) |
| 01:52.26 | seebs_ | So, my mystery: Nothing I do affects my frame rate. Not for the better, not for the worse. |
| 01:52.35 | Vonhinten | ahha.. I used to spend a lot of time around there too |
| 01:52.39 | AnduinLothar | my addons folder only has 155 folders in it... |
| 01:53.06 | seebs_ | I get about 18fps in Dalaran. Remove all addons? 18fps. Turn everything on and enable CPU profiling? 18fps. 1920x1200, 4xAA, all effects high? 18fps. 960x600, no AA, all effects low? 18fps. |
| 01:53.13 | seebs_ | This makes no sense to me. |
| 01:53.29 | AnduinLothar | magic |
| 01:53.32 | seebs_ | Yeah. |
| 01:53.53 | seebs_ | I originally thought "wow, Dalaran's hard to render, I should either cut some addons or tweak my video settings down." |
| 01:53.55 | ZorbaTHut | seebs, do you have any addons that would use significant CPU, though? |
| 01:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | seebs_: your monitor has a terrible 18Hz refresh rate ;) |
| 01:54.06 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, install QH and do "/qh perf 500%", see if it sticks with 18fps then |
| 01:54.08 | Kraft | lol scythe |
| 01:54.12 | seebs_ | Hmm. |
| 01:54.26 | seebs_ | Well, if I turn on gathererhud, performance gets worse. That's about all I found that affected anything. |
| 01:54.30 | foxlit | seebs_: vsync? |
| 01:54.44 | seebs_ | Tried with vsync both off and on. Monitor's native refresh is 60Hz. |
| 01:55.06 | Vonhinten | running Vista? |
| 01:55.09 | seebs_ | There's a data point -- walk up to a wall and zoom in all the way, frame rate goes up. |
| 01:55.09 | foxlit | /console maxfps 0 |
| 01:55.11 | seebs_ | Linux/Wine. |
| 01:55.14 | AnduinLothar | i get a free 10fps with vsync off |
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| 01:55.36 | foxlit | (or try /run print(GetCVar("maxfps")) ) |
| 01:55.38 | AnduinLothar | of course vsync off on 30" is a nightmare cause it can rip in two places >.< |
| 01:56.03 | seebs_ | Hmm. |
| 01:56.30 | seebs_ | Well, I dare not log out and retry after tweaking nvidia settings, I merged my account and can now only log in about one time in twenty. |
| 01:56.51 | AnduinLothar | oh and tripple uffering on a 30" is lol too |
| 01:57.21 | AnduinLothar | course i only have an 8800, it does fairly well for running wow ont he 30" and a 2nd 20" |
| 01:59.50 | Syzgyn | So connection issue all of a sudden, weee |
| 01:59.59 | Kraft | back to that kaplan page: sure he might be right for one target group, but wow doesnt just fit one target group |
| 02:00.12 | Kraft | its not just 11 year old kids, or just guys, etc |
| 02:00.19 | Aznamir | Dalaran = get lot of RAM |
| 02:01.30 | Kraft | "As you can see, there's more than one progression path. They're all sort of broken up, so the player is getting a very diverse experience. " |
| 02:01.37 | seebs_ | I would have guessed that 4GB would be enough. |
| 02:01.49 | Kraft | im not quite sure why a diverse experience is such a terrible thing |
| 02:01.53 | seebs_ | WoW.exe has virtual size of 4GB, only 1.2GB resident. |
| 02:02.08 | AnduinLothar | i have 4gb, but i'm on a mac |
| 02:02.37 | AnduinLothar | was thinking of uppign to 8 |
| 02:02.57 | seebs_ | WoW's keeping about one CPU pegged, running around 105% of a core. (quad-core phenom ii.) |
| 02:03.00 | Kraft | i dont go over 4 unless i have wow open on both 24's |
| 02:03.16 | seebs_ | Video card's not overheated, so I don't think it's that. |
| 02:04.37 | AnduinLothar | yeah dalaran eats up all ym memory |
| 02:04.57 | AnduinLothar | and is still using 1.8GB virtual mem |
| 02:05.24 | AnduinLothar | with onyl about 1GB in ram |
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| 02:06.55 | AnduinLothar | upt to 2.4 vmem |
| 02:07.20 | AnduinLothar | that explains the choppiness |
| 02:08.12 | AnduinLothar | wonder why Colloquy is using 315MB ram |
| 02:08.31 | AnduinLothar | also wonder why colloquy takes a year and a half to copy from |
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| 02:09.20 | seebs_ | Colloquy sucks. Unfortunately, it's the best I've found yet. |
| 02:09.28 | seebs_ | If you have been in it for a while, quit and restart, and it gets a lot better. |
| 02:09.35 | Cairenn | Anaralping? |
| 02:09.38 | AnduinLothar | pretty much |
| 02:09.43 | AnduinLothar | I keep it open for days |
| 02:09.49 | seebs_ | Luckily, the inherent qualities of the Mac development environment ensure that there can never be any memory leaks. |
| 02:10.35 | seebs_ | Oh, useful tip. If you have been thinking about getting the new "merged battle.net account". Don't. |
| 02:10.37 | Cairenn | Anaral: ping, even |
| 02:10.49 | seebs_ | Right now they can log in about one time in twenty, maybe. |
| 02:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yay! sarth+2 down! |
| 02:11.04 | Syzgyn | seebs_: Yeah, it's great fun |
| 02:11.19 | Syzgyn | No one can log in now |
| 02:11.41 | AnduinLothar | grats night |
| 02:11.53 | seebs_ | It's not quite no one. It's semi-randomly-someone. |
| 02:11.57 | Kraft | what more would you expect from a company that has to survive on a meager £90 million a month budget |
| 02:12.00 | seebs_ | I logged in three times tonight out of about 50 tries. |
| 02:12.08 | Syzgyn | I had no problems 2 hours ago |
| 02:12.33 | Syzgyn | Now I keep getting 'The login server is currently busy' |
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| 02:13.57 | seebs_ | I just get "Unable to connect". Obviously, I can log in just fine on an unmerged account. |
| 02:14.01 | seebs_ | ... Actually, come to think of it. |
| 02:14.09 | seebs_ | Since I've given up any hope of playing, and just want to debug addons. |
| 02:14.20 | seebs_ | I think I'll do that. Because I got permission to use my spouse's account to debug addon performance issues. :) |
| 02:14.28 | AnduinLothar | I like how Firefox is eating 100mb ram without having any windows open |
| 02:14.48 | seebs_ | Uh-huh. |
| 02:14.59 | Kraft | chrome is worse |
| 02:15.04 | AnduinLothar | Safari's doing the same thing |
| 02:16.00 | Syzgyn | Yeah, no luck here seebs_ |
| 02:16.05 | AnduinLothar | i need a SSD |
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| 02:16.39 | Kraft | that wont help ram usage |
| 02:16.41 | AnduinLothar | course there's only like 2 with good reviews, both obcenely expensive |
| 02:16.53 | seebs_ | Yeah. |
| 02:16.58 | seebs_ | Actually, funny you should mention that. |
| 02:17.05 | AnduinLothar | actually it would, because i could leave things like browsers closed |
| 02:17.09 | seebs_ | My WoW machine just got one of the OCZ Vertex drives. |
| 02:17.12 | AnduinLothar | and launch them faster |
| 02:17.22 | Kraft | browsers shouldnt take much time to load anyways |
| 02:17.23 | AnduinLothar | and read vram faster |
| 02:17.43 | AnduinLothar | yeah Vertex was the cheeper fo the two |
| 02:17.45 | seebs_ | Boot time for my machine went from 35 seconds to 20 seconds from "loading kernel" to login prompt. |
| 02:17.50 | AnduinLothar | other one was the intel M |
| 02:17.52 | AnduinLothar | or E |
| 02:18.21 | AnduinLothar | yeah, boot time and loading and app launch speeds go up dramatically |
| 02:19.00 | Dagmar | So blame Microsoft for trying to preload the entire installation, and vendors for wanting to have an on-boot update check of their very own |
| 02:19.22 | Dagmar | By the way, if Firefox is using 100Mb of RAM and it's *not running* then you have a problem entirely separate from Firefox. |
| 02:20.30 | AnduinLothar | no no. on mac it can be running with no windows open :P |
| 02:20.39 | AnduinLothar | unlike Windows |
| 02:20.53 | Dagmar | Somethings buggered on your Mac then |
| 02:20.58 | AnduinLothar | no... |
| 02:21.00 | seebs_ | Nah, that's normal. |
| 02:21.06 | AnduinLothar | L2Mac |
| 02:21.10 | seebs_ | Firefox uses about 100MB of libraries and preloaded stuff. |
| 02:21.16 | seebs_ | Even when all the windows are closed. |
| 02:21.24 | seebs_ | It's only if you quit the app that it stops using space. |
| 02:21.24 | Dagmar | If it's committing resources to programs it's not running, then hell no I won't "l2mac" |
| 02:21.36 | seebs_ | The program's running, it just hasn't got any windows open. |
| 02:21.40 | AnduinLothar | it's a different paradigm. |
| 02:21.44 | Dagmar | But frankly I think you're just dead wrong. |
| 02:22.00 | seebs_ | The notion that a program can only be running when it has windows open is unique to Windows. |
| 02:22.04 | AnduinLothar | think what you want. imma ignore you now :P |
| 02:22.12 | Dagmar | Go right ahead |
| 02:22.37 | seebs_ | So you can close the last window, but leave the app active, and it's "running". Then you can select the program from the dock, use its menu (which isn't attached to any window), and open a new window. |
| 02:22.40 | Dagmar | seebs_: I somewhat assume users have more sense than to run apps they're not using, or at least not fuss about memory consumption when they do it |
| 02:22.40 | seebs_ | It saves a bit of time. |
| 02:23.07 | AnduinLothar | I'm not a normal user |
| 02:23.15 | seebs_ | Well, it is a pretty large amount of memory for a program that's doing nothing but being ready to open a window. |
| 02:23.16 | Dagmar | seebs_: There is also minimizing of windows in both Windows and most *nix WM's. |
| 02:23.26 | seebs_ | Not minimizing. Just not having any windows at all. |
| 02:23.55 | seebs_ | Think of it as being like one of those background service programs with no GUI, only it CAN open a window if it wants to. |
| 02:24.00 | AnduinLothar | window != application |
| 02:24.02 | Dagmar | So basically you're telling me it's opportunistically caching resources |
| 02:24.29 | seebs_ | Yup, pretty much. |
| 02:24.32 | Dagmar | I'm going to say something harsh, but ther'es no quicker way to put it |
| 02:24.58 | Dagmar | Jesus holy christ don't dumb it down for me, I'm one of the masochistic bastards who was building GNOME for Slackware for the last three yearsd |
| 02:25.03 | seebs_ | It loads all its libraries, does all its startup stuff, then sits around in case you want a window. In which case it'll open a LOT faster than it would from scratch. |
| 02:25.08 | Dagmar | MIght have been five. The builds run together after awhile |
| 02:25.10 | seebs_ | Wow. |
| 02:25.26 | Dagmar | I'm *really* familier with all the wonderful little preloading and caching techniques, I just don't have a Mac so I don't know which ones they're using |
| 02:25.53 | Dagmar | OKay so those are resources that'll get dumped should somethihng actually need the memory |
| 02:25.58 | seebs_ | No offense intended. I've found that it's almost always unreasonable to assume that people on IRC know that the box with the fans in it has something to do with the video displayed on the "computer", which is the glowy box part. |
| 02:26.12 | seebs_ | Well, it'd get paged out, anyway. |
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| 02:26.45 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm not trying to be harsh about it, but really I could just about take the source code and figure it out from tehre if I had to |
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| 02:27.03 | seebs_ | Okay, tried on spouse's account, in Shattrath. Stable 40 fps. No matter the video options, no matter the addons or lack thereof. CPU profiling or no. This is so weird. |
| 02:27.08 | Dagmar | seebs_: Are they keeping them higher or lower-priority than filesystem cachine? |
| 02:27.15 | Dagmar | s/cachine/caching/; |
| 02:27.34 | Dagmar | If you don't know that's fine |
| 02:27.52 | seebs_ | I don't for sure. My guess would be that they're higher priority than filesystem cache, but it's probably more subtle. |
| 02:28.06 | seebs_ | I know BSD and Linux some. I don't really understand the Mac kernel. |
| 02:28.40 | AnduinLothar | it's fairly complicated. Not the normal memory techniques you learned in the Operating Systems class at Uni. I don't know much more than the fact that it has multiple levels of ram and vram allocation |
| 02:29.28 | Dagmar | You pretty much can give up on figuring out whether your built GNOME right or not if you can't soirt those things out by reverse-engineering |
| 02:29.36 | Dagmar | Even GDM has hooks to preload libs |
| 02:29.38 | AnduinLothar | It shows free, wired, active, and inactive memory blocks in the activity manager, but what those mean is voodoo |
| 02:29.59 | Dagmar | seebs_: It's supposed to be BSD-derived |
| 02:30.10 | Dagmar | The few things I compiled for someone remotely behaved well enough |
| 02:30.29 | seebs_ | The kernel isn't, just the userspace. |
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| 02:30.43 | seebs_ | The underlying kernel's Mach, and I know very little about it. |
| 02:30.48 | Dagmar | So, probably the technology they bought from the aliens then |
| 02:30.53 | seebs_ | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 02:31.04 | Syzgyn | Well, I can get on now |
| 02:31.04 | Dagmar | Damn Steve Jobs for being a traitor to humanity |
| 02:31.12 | Syzgyn | figures it's once the raid is full :( |
| 02:31.14 | seebs_ | I continue to be amazed by the stability of the uselessness of any attempt to alter my frame rate. |
| 02:31.34 | AnduinLothar | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Performance/Conceptual/ManagingMemory/ManagingMemory.html |
| 02:31.48 | Dagmar | So about the battle.net merge, I'll wager what's happening is that accounts are homed to a specific machine in a cluster and if that cluster is down, those accounts ain't logging in while others would be unaffected |
| 02:32.38 | Dagmar | seebs_: Low for one account but high for another? |
| 02:33.38 | seebs_ | No. Pretty much stable for any given account for a given zone/camera. |
| 02:33.55 | seebs_ | So, if I zoom out all the way, and I'm in Terokkar, I get around 40-45, depending on where I'm looking. |
| 02:34.20 | theorbtwo | Try unsetting the full-screen glow effect? |
| 02:34.31 | seebs_ | Turn on gatherer hud, all settings maxed, AA, texture filtering, etcetera? 40-45. Turn off all addons, go to 1/4 screen resolution, turn off all the effects? 40-45. |
| 02:34.33 | Dagmar | Probbaly so. That is one I generally leave off |
| 02:34.37 | seebs_ | No noticeable effect. |
| 02:34.40 | theorbtwo | Hm. |
| 02:34.57 | Dagmar | So your display's refresh rate is? |
| 02:34.57 | Kirov_ | is the blizzard downloader running in the background? |
| 02:35.00 | seebs_ | Interestingly, a year or two back, full-screen-glow broke antialiasing for me, now it doesn't. Guess they fixed it, or it's different on 9x00 geforce cards. |
| 02:35.03 | seebs_ | 60Hz. |
| 02:35.05 | seebs_ | I don't think it is. |
| 02:35.12 | Dagmar | That's weird |
| 02:35.17 | seebs_ | Nope, no downloader. |
| 02:35.23 | Dagmar | I was about to speculate 80-72Hz |
| 02:35.32 | seebs_ | Dalaran was the same, only it was about 18-23fps. |
| 02:35.45 | theorbtwo | seebs_: It's noted as broken in the release notes for current drivers, oddly. |
| 02:35.49 | seebs_ | Heh. |
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| 02:36.06 | seebs_ | What weirds me out, though, is that nothing other than the zone and camera settings has ANY effect. |
| 02:36.15 | Dagmar | I know I'm over 30fps unless I'm in Dalaran, or doing a boss fight... or god forbid I'm in a 25-man and then I've got everything turned down and I'm trying to look at a wall to keep it over 10fps |
| 02:36.17 | theorbtwo | Oh, wait, I might be misremembering. Not terribly relevant, anyway. |
| 02:36.32 | seebs_ | I mean, if it's the video card, shouldn't going to 1/4 the resolution and lowering all the draw distances hugely have an effect? |
| 02:36.49 | Dagmar | seebs_: Not if it's already drawing as fast as it thinks it needs to |
| 02:36.59 | seebs_ | Oh, hey. In Terokkar, it DOES have an affect to lower draw distance. |
| 02:37.02 | seebs_ | Ah-HAH! I have a theory. |
| 02:37.03 | Dagmar | I mean it really sounds like something in there has decided you're going fast enough at 40fps |
| 02:37.09 | seebs_ | My theory is that it's the video card's geometry engine. |
| 02:37.20 | seebs_ | All the textures and stuff should be pretty much affecting only the shaders. |
| 02:37.25 | theorbtwo | Yes, it should, which makes me think it's something that varies with location and not much else, like the zone-dependent fog stuff. |
| 02:37.47 | AnduinLothar | annoying fog... |
| 02:38.03 | Dagmar | I've not seen textures matter much in a long time |
| 02:38.09 | Dagmar | Not since I started using 512Mb cards |
| 02:38.37 | Xinhuan | [3/28 09:03:24] <Torhal> Mikk: Xinhuan said they're on 3.0.8, just don't have WoTLK |
| 02:38.42 | Xinhuan | Torhal, they are on 3.0.5 |
| 02:39.06 | seebs_ | That would do it. Hmm. |
| 02:39.08 | Xinhuan | which is the same as US 3.0.2 |
| 02:39.21 | seebs_ | Okay, so, my theory is that my real problem is that the *geometry* in Dalaran is too complicated for the GPU. |
| 02:39.33 | AnduinLothar | what gpu? |
| 02:39.38 | seebs_ | GeForce 9800. |
| 02:39.44 | seebs_ | Not overclocked or anything. |
| 02:39.51 | AnduinLothar | i get higher fps on my 8800... |
| 02:39.57 | seebs_ | Hmm. |
| 02:40.02 | seebs_ | >20ish in Dalaran? |
| 02:40.24 | AnduinLothar | with no addons yes |
| 02:40.35 | seebs_ | Huh. For me, addons seem to have no effect at all on frame rate. |
| 02:40.47 | AnduinLothar | could test it i spose |
| 02:40.50 | AnduinLothar | beena while |
| 02:40.51 | seebs_ | CPU's a Phenom 940 x4 (3.0 GHz Phenom 2). It should be plenty fast... I think. |
| 02:41.15 | seebs_ | Well, hmm. I guess I had fubar in for FPS meter. I could turn that off too. Of course, I can't GET to Dalaran right now, because that account is merged. |
| 02:41.29 | AnduinLothar | mine's 2x 2.66 dual-core Xeons |
| 02:41.49 | AnduinLothar | tho it's fun times when i over clock to 3.2 :) |
| 02:43.13 | Aznamir | 9800 = tweaked 8800 |
| 02:43.16 | seebs_ | That should be comparable, anyway, in performance. |
| 02:43.26 | AnduinLothar | I just knocked it down to Video Quality: Low on effects and it went up to 25fps with addons loaded |
| 02:43.39 | AnduinLothar | 27 |
| 02:44.02 | seebs_ | Hmm. |
| 02:44.39 | seebs_ | ... WTF. |
| 02:44.45 | seebs_ | I'm suddenly getting 30+. |
| 02:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | What OS? |
| 02:45.09 | AnduinLothar | yeah mine caps at 30 if i look at the floor zoomed out outside the south bank |
| 02:45.25 | AnduinLothar | cause vsync quantizes i think |
| 02:45.39 | AnduinLothar | used to cap at 60 on my 20" |
| 02:45.51 | AnduinLothar | caps at 30 on my 30" tho |
| 02:46.06 | AnduinLothar | prolly the dual channel dvi |
| 02:46.26 | Kraft | >< |
| 02:47.01 | AnduinLothar | turn off vsync and it goes up to 40 with 150 addons loaded and effects on low, full res |
| 02:47.11 | Aznamir | wow caps fps at 60sh for dual/quad-core cpus |
| 02:47.21 | AnduinLothar | on a normal screen, yes |
| 02:47.26 | AnduinLothar | with vsync on |
| 02:48.41 | seebs_ | Linux/WINE. Hmm. |
| 02:48.59 | seebs_ | I used to have a fascinating quirk where antiailasing+vsync capped me at 30. |
| 02:49.17 | seebs_ | Anyway, get this. Turning off full screen glow LOWERED my frame rate by about 4-5. |
| 02:49.22 | seebs_ | Toooooo crazy. |
| 02:49.25 | AnduinLothar | fluke |
| 02:49.28 | seebs_ | I think so. |
| 02:49.59 | seebs_ | Host system is 64-bit ubuntu with a ton of stuff stripped out. I'm running xfwm4 but not the full xfce environment. It's pretty lightweight, in theory. |
| 02:50.02 | AnduinLothar | prior to LK full screen glow on geforce drivers was like -10fps |
| 02:51.01 | AnduinLothar | fun thing tho: multi-sampling doesn't effect my fps |
| 02:51.12 | AnduinLothar | 4 or 1 makes no diff |
| 02:51.46 | seebs_ | Yeah, same here. |
| 02:51.52 | seebs_ | I guess I have plenty of shaders and not enough geometry. |
| 02:52.01 | AnduinLothar | crank up from low to max effects settings and i lose 20fps tho |
| 02:54.00 | AnduinLothar | yeah i'm getting 15-30fps in dalaran with everything cranked. depending on what i'm looking at |
| 02:54.58 | theorbtwo | I'm surprised they don't have different levels of geometry detail available for different cards. |
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| 02:55.12 | seebs_ | Huh. |
| 02:55.21 | theorbtwo | I guess they want to keep the clipping geo the same as the visual geo, though. |
| 02:55.21 | seebs_ | Yeah, different levels of geometry would be a neat test case. |
| 02:55.35 | seebs_ | Well, I finally successfully logged back in! |
| 02:55.37 | theorbtwo | ...and they don't want the clipping geo for different users to be different. |
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| 02:57.30 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know whether a local variable is created at the line it's declared on, or one line after? i.e. can I do "local x = x" to make a local copy of some other x? |
| 02:58.34 | End | I think you can do that |
| 02:58.44 | Syzgyn | seebs_: yeah it's been back up for 30 min or so |
| 02:58.51 | End | you can do local pairs = pairs for example |
| 02:58.59 | ZorbaTHut | ah nice |
| 02:59.03 | ZorbaTHut | if that works, then, yeah. :) |
| 02:59.05 | seebs_ | It seemed to be random enough earlier. |
| 03:00.34 | Dagmar | Can you just declare "local foo" like in perl tho? |
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| 03:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Away: that was a typo |
| 03:01.57 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Er, "local" in lua is like "my" in perl, not like "local" in perl, I think. |
| 03:02.23 | theorbtwo | That is, local in lua creates a lexical variable. |
| 03:02.32 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: It's always created after the statement |
| 03:02.51 | Shirik | That's why "local function foo() ... end" is not "local foo = function() ... end" but rather "local foo; foo = function() ... end" |
| 03:02.57 | Shirik | per the manual |
| 03:03.56 | JackBurton7676 | anyone know a good addon that plays a sound warning when pvp enemy is close? carbonite makes a warning its white not a bright color and no sound like its quest ding! sounds |
| 03:04.26 | Arrowmaster | not possible in any remotely accurate way |
| 03:04.40 | Dark_Elf | paranoia |
| 03:04.50 | ZorbaTHut | ah, classy |
| 03:04.57 | ZorbaTHut | cool, that makes a lot of sense |
| 03:05.04 | ZorbaTHut | thanks :) |
| 03:05.33 | Shirik | JackBurton7676: It's not really possible |
| 03:05.45 | Shirik | You could kinda do it but it would not give you results that you want |
| 03:05.57 | Shirik | there's too many undetectable cases |
| 03:06.16 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: Thanks, I was wondering about that |
| 03:06.31 | Dark_Elf | problem is sometimes they get enemies just flying over |
| 03:06.56 | Dagmar | I got so used to my() after having an instructor browbeat me about it around perl4's release that it was about a year before I even bothred to go back and learn the difference between it and local() |
| 03:07.08 | Dagmar | I much dig the difference |
| 03:07.37 | theorbtwo | I love lexical varaibles. |
| 03:07.49 | theorbtwo | Package variables are useful sometimes. |
| 03:07.57 | theorbtwo | Localizing them is almost always a bad idea. |
| 03:07.59 | Dagmar | Oh I'd say "always" |
| 03:08.08 | Dagmar | er always useful |
| 03:08.28 | Dagmar | There's some bits and pieces I've coded that would never have been possible without them |
| 03:08.54 | Dagmar | Like, I had to write an authenticator separate from HTTP's for a company I was working for ages ago |
| 03:09.21 | Dagmar | If the garbage collector in perl didn't work the way it did, it would have been a big mess |
| 03:09.25 | theorbtwo | A lexical variable in package scope is normally just as good for that sort of thing. |
| 03:09.41 | Shirik | I hate package scope |
| 03:09.42 | Dark_Elf | JackBurton7676: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8660-ParanoiaEnemyPlayerAlert.html |
| 03:09.50 | Shirik | wait, what language are we talking about here |
| 03:10.00 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Perl. |
| 03:10.04 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:10.05 | Shirik | don't know about perl |
| 03:10.18 | Shirik | But I feel that package scope in Java is unnecessary; I assume perl is the same |
| 03:10.20 | Dagmar | Well, this allowed me to pretty much populate a hash with who was logged in, poll that instead of the files on disk, and just count on the destructor to free that up |
| 03:10.57 | Dagmar | A friend modified the code later and didn't heed my warning about not undoing the references properly, and under mod_perl it regularly blew up in his face |
| 03:11.15 | Dagmar | He was just creating nice little doughnuts of data and cutting them loose |
| 03:12.08 | Dagmar | Shirik: It pretty much is. The only thing it does is keep your data scoped to the package. |
| 03:12.32 | Shirik | I know, but I tend to think that if it should be public to the package and private outside the package |
| 03:12.35 | Shirik | then your design is wrong |
| 03:12.36 | Dagmar | ...which is kinda limp. I'll much more quickly use locally-scoped variables and count on the gc to free 'em up as soon as possible |
| 03:13.13 | AnduinLothar | This any better? http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2630/screenshot032709200955.jpg |
| 03:13.20 | Dagmar | Huh? How could that be wrong design in perl? |
| 03:13.26 | AnduinLothar | ooc of course |
| 03:13.35 | AnduinLothar | everything looks cleaner ooc |
| 03:13.55 | Shirik | Dagmar: I'm mostly referring to Java, but I assume that private/protected exists in perl |
| 03:13.58 | Shirik | I don't know perl |
| 03:14.06 | Shirik | (I do need to learn it) |
| 03:14.13 | Dagmar | Shirik: If it does, I've never encountered it |
| 03:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | AnduinLothar: gah, the casino crap hit DH? That is disappointing |
| 03:14.21 | Dagmar | Everything hangs off of %main in perl |
| 03:14.54 | Dagmar | All the OO stuff is just wrappers that do strange methods of instantation I try not to think about |
| 03:15.04 | AnduinLothar | here's one with my pretty bags: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4417/screenshot032709200704.jpg |
| 03:15.28 | Adys | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10204300-1.html |
| 03:15.40 | theorbtwo | Where does the square minimap come from? |
| 03:15.45 | Dagmar | AnduinLothar: Which bag program is that? That's the second time i've seen it and I'm thinking about giving it a shot at overtaking Arkinventory |
| 03:15.48 | Adys | I want to tell them they're fucking idiots wasting time on shit that should never see the light of the day for the sake of everyone on this planet |
| 03:16.00 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: It's not really that strange. |
| 03:16.11 | AnduinLothar | It's Baggins with some heavy configuration |
| 03:16.16 | Dagmar | Thats' SexyMap isn't it? |
| 03:16.21 | AnduinLothar | Squeenx |
| 03:16.38 | Tekkub | SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 03:16.40 | AnduinLothar | Squeenix |
| 03:17.10 | Dagmar | Cool, I'll check those out later tonight then |
| 03:17.43 | AnduinLothar | Baggins is really cool, highly customizable, but it's presets are pretty boring |
| 03:18.29 | Dagmar | Adys: Considering that looks like it might get around the patent certain people have applied for for graphical captchas of a different type, I'll take it |
| 03:18.31 | AnduinLothar | I split out a lot of bug categories manually |
| 03:18.42 | AnduinLothar | bunch* |
| 03:18.46 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 03:18.46 | Adys | Dagmar: i dont care captchas should die |
| 03:18.50 | AnduinLothar | bag* |
| 03:19.07 | Dagmar | Yeah, ArkInventory comes with pretty much nothing, but at least one can add custom categories and rules and even reassign items to different categories, but... it doesn't make more than one window |
| 03:19.20 | Dagmar | Adys: The alternative is having to manually flush spam |
| 03:19.25 | Adys | no |
| 03:19.26 | Dagmar | ...which *sucks* |
| 03:19.33 | AnduinLothar | yeah i like being able to have just my equipment bag or just my quest bag open |
| 03:19.55 | Adys | the alternative is to have a very simple captcha that doesnt annoy your users |
| 03:20.12 | Dagmar | Adys: After you've taken porn spam off your wiki and your forums for the 50th time in a month your mood may change |
| 03:20.14 | Adys | and have internal tools for dealing with spam if your website is big enough that it gets spammers with bots |
| 03:20.14 | AnduinLothar | hackers > your captcha |
| 03:20.29 | Dagmar | Adys: I'm pretty sure none of the ppeople on the dropline forums came there to see exposed rectal insertions |
| 03:20.44 | Adys | Ok |
| 03:20.52 | Adys | gimme the url of your forums ill go humanly spam porn on it |
| 03:20.57 | Dagmar | Yer site doesn't have to be big to attact bots |
| 03:21.10 | End | it's easy to ban a human spamming porn |
| 03:21.21 | Dagmar | All it has to be is any major package that they've had time to write an interface for |
| 03:21.21 | End | there are few in number compared to bots |
| 03:21.44 | Dagmar | They hit hundreds of sites, regardless of size, and count on Google seeing that stuff there in time before the admins delete it |
| 03:22.01 | Dagmar | "hundreds" being an incredibly conservative estimate |
| 03:22.12 | Adys | bots can defeat hundreds of captcha types |
| 03:22.15 | Dagmar | The volume cut down a lot after I just banned Russia and China entirely. |
| 03:22.31 | Adys | by saying hundreds Im nice |
| 03:23.33 | Adys | http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~mori/research/gimpy/hard/ |
| 03:23.35 | Adys | look at that |
| 03:23.41 | Dagmar | The numebr of spammers bypassing captchas is thankfully a minority case still |
| 03:23.59 | Adys | they're solving shit that I wouldn't be able to solve |
| 03:24.49 | Adys | Dagmar: thats the whole point, spammers are more and more likely to solve captchas automatically, and making the captchas more fucked up is most likely to drive users off your site |
| 03:25.32 | Dagmar | Yes they are effective |
| 03:25.39 | Dagmar | s/Yes/Yet/; |
| 03:25.53 | Kirov_ | When my dad was much younger, he and a couple of people at his office wrote a game they played on their network while they were waiting for things to do. (He worked at a power plant on their computer systems.) Eventually the top people found out about the game and told one of the other programmers to lock it down so it would only work during lunch and after work hours. So, the guy modified the game and locked the program. |
| 03:26.08 | Dagmar | For people without a mssive site, spammers won't bother modifying their bots to solve an uncommon captcha type |
| 03:26.08 | Kirov_ | My dad took 5 minutes to get the game up and running. |
| 03:26.29 | Adys | its a dumb circle Dagmar |
| 03:26.39 | Adys | effective captchas will get popular, popular captchas will get solved |
| 03:26.46 | Kirov_ | This guy spent the next week trying to come up with more and more elaborate schemes to try and lock it down, and in 5 minutes my dad would have the game running again. |
| 03:26.46 | Dagmar | Adys: Well, we can always just give up |
| 03:26.52 | Adys | EXACTLY |
| 03:26.56 | Adys | give up and have users |
| 03:26.59 | Dagmar | Me, I have no problem making spammers harness the power of chronic masturbation |
| 03:27.02 | Adys | and tools to deal with spammers |
| 03:27.43 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?action=verificationcode;rand=3e6b71eb6bd8c6ecb555cd20c732988c |
| 03:27.46 | Dagmar | ...by that I mean the porn sites that present the user with a captcha from *some other site* in order to see the pron that may or may not actually be there. |
| 03:27.46 | Adys | SMF captcha |
| 03:27.51 | Adys | and holy shit is it bad |
| 03:27.54 | Kirov_ | Basically, the guy had the security code running in a second module running seperate from the game. The game would ask the module if it was ok to run, then either close or run based on a true / false response. My dad simply remapped the module to one someplace else that always returned true. |
| 03:28.23 | End | Adys: we can't see that |
| 03:28.25 | Kirov_ | Random story, but it's one that I always think of when people talk about security measures and trying to stop hackers. |
| 03:28.31 | Dagmar | Yeah, Iv'e seen theirs. It's probably going to be showing up on porn sites soon |
| 03:28.32 | End | which I find interesting |
| 03:28.40 | Adys | End: change a few letters in the rand |
| 03:28.44 | End | but I can see it when I load the registration page myself |
| 03:28.45 | Dagmar | Kirov_: Don't confuse hackers with criminals |
| 03:28.55 | Dagmar | Just because they do it online doesn't make them special people |
| 03:29.58 | Adys | what Im saying is |
| 03:30.04 | Bibi | Mom always say I'm special. |
| 03:30.10 | Dagmar | Mom lied. |
| 03:30.25 | Bibi | I will hack you. |
| 03:30.29 | Adys | captchas are as close to short term a solution can ever get |
| 03:31.07 | Dagmar | Bibi: Suuure you will |
| 03:31.33 | Adys | efficient captchas get popular, popular captchas get cracked, cracked captchas are useless in no time. |
| 03:32.07 | Dagmar | Gotta avoid the motivation for people to crack 'em by changing them frequently, IMHO |
| 03:32.14 | Adys | retardedly hard captchas make it more likely your site will be flooded by bots who can solve it rather than by users who bothered solving it themselves |
| 03:32.27 | Dagmar | Twincities.indymedia could have probably gotten away with their craptacular captcha forever if they hadn't pissed me off. |
| 03:32.41 | Adys | what was it? |
| 03:33.00 | Dagmar | "Enter the third word from the phrase "blah de blah foo blah"" |
| 03:33.08 | Dagmar | Not kidding in the least about that. |
| 03:33.56 | Dagmar | One of their "editors" was actively censoring my posts, and luckily for them they gave up just as I was getting ready to blast the deleted posts onto every news article they made |
| 03:34.10 | End | wow, that's interesting |
| 03:34.24 | Dagmar | They were *very* stupid about the whole RNC thing. |
| 03:34.48 | End | something like 3% of registrations on my guild website actually loaded the captcha image |
| 03:34.59 | End | in the last 3 or 4 weeks |
| 03:35.06 | Dagmar | End: Yay for bots |
| 03:35.12 | Adys | an interesting idea I had a while ago was to give a forum a spam danger level |
| 03:35.47 | Dagmar | Adys: If i have to write another forum, ever, I'll probably code it to stop requiring captcha-like checks after the user has reached a certain karma level |
| 03:35.53 | Adys | posts from new users will appear after x amount of time to unregistered users, and depending on the amount of posts from someone, they'll see it faster |
| 03:36.35 | Adys | eg a scale of 200 gives someone with 200 posts the ability to see posts instantly |
| 03:36.49 | Adys | the more active they are, the more likely they are to report spam faster than others |
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| 03:37.15 | Adys | if spam doesnt get reported by the time unregistered users can see it, your site sucks |
| 03:37.17 | Adys | and you need mods |
| 03:37.38 | End | I'm not sure why |
| 03:37.42 | Dagmar | So as a perk of registration, you get free porno? |
| 03:37.45 | End | but we -do- have bots get through the captcha |
| 03:37.45 | Dagmar | :) |
| 03:37.49 | End | not many |
| 03:37.51 | End | but a few |
| 03:37.56 | End | but they don't know how to post! |
| 03:38.00 | Dagmar | What we need are more cases like Vardan Kushnir. |
| 03:38.06 | Dagmar | i.e., "more dead spammers" |
| 03:38.12 | End | they do put shit in their profile though |
| 03:38.16 | Exawatt | So Button:SetHighlightTexture(nil) works to remove a highlighted texture of a button, but Button:SetHighlightTexture("pathToTexture") doesn't seem to restore it. Am I missing something? |
| 03:38.29 | Dagmar | End: Yeah, something like 1 in 10 of the registrations on the Dropline forums are actual people |
| 03:38.58 | End | for us, probably attempted registrations :P |
| 03:39.22 | End | on the old forums for my -last- guild, the pots would create posts |
| 03:43.33 | Dagmar | I started renaming input fields |
| 03:43.43 | Dagmar | Kinda stopped that crap cold |
| 03:47.02 | Dagmar | ...although it was strictly a matter of not being worth their time to update their bots |
| 03:57.10 | Kirov | Interesting, carbonite is completely free now. |
| 03:58.47 | kd3 | wow |
| 03:58.52 | kd3 | that's not the move I expected them to take |
| 03:59.03 | Adys | thats great |
| 03:59.15 | Adys | wheres the announcement? |
| 03:59.23 | kd3 | http://carboniteaddon.com/ |
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| 03:59.50 | Adys | I just see they wont be selling subscriptions |
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| 03:59.52 | Kirov | hopefully 3.0 will be un-obsfucated and I can disable most of it. |
| 04:00.33 | Kirov | Adys - both download pages lead to a link to download the full version. |
| 04:00.40 | Adys | hm ok |
| 04:01.02 | ZorbaTHut | if they're doing what I suspect they're doing, they're doing exactly the same thing I am |
| 04:01.13 | Tekkub | " time stamped list of experience and honor gained, enemies killed and other information" |
| 04:01.17 | ZorbaTHut | namely "let's put up some donation boxes, see what happens, and find a new line of work in the meantime" |
| 04:01.21 | Tekkub | hi we added timestamps to the chat log |
| 04:01.30 | Tekkub | that's a whopping 3 lines of code |
| 04:01.46 | kd3 | lol, like carbonite users would know that? |
| 04:02.21 | Adys | Tekkub: eh? |
| 04:02.25 | Tekkub | $5 per line of code |
| 04:02.34 | Tekkub | Adys, just being a dick |
| 04:02.36 | Tekkub | you know, the usual |
| 04:02.38 | Adys | what from? |
| 04:02.40 | Wobin | classy spam: http://www.cherryflava.com/.a/6a00d83451aee269e201156f681c79970b-pi |
| 04:02.47 | Adys | oh |
| 04:02.48 | Tekkub | Carbonite |
| 04:02.48 | Adys | ya i see |
| 04:03.13 | Adys | well once obfuscated it may be much more than 3 LOC |
| 04:03.16 | Adys | so! |
| 04:04.08 | Adys | that said, carbonite looks great from their demos but their website is shit |
| 04:04.19 | Adys | animated gifs and giant repeated screenshots for background >> |
| 04:04.26 | mikma | shitebonite |
| 04:04.53 | Tekkub | graphite >> carbonite |
| 04:04.58 | JackBurton7676 | In /castsequence spelll1, spell2, spell3. how do you skip a spell if its cooldown has not been met yet? |
| 04:05.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't |
| 04:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (Click twice) |
| 04:05.31 | Tekkub | oh I think I'll start naming my addons Dolomite (ugh, potter's son showing... no one's gonna know what that is) |
| 04:06.21 | Adys | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/27/2017250&from=rss |
| 04:06.22 | Adys | I know |
| 04:06.25 | Adys | lets compress GETs |
| 04:07.04 | kd3 | is that the 'facebook's excessively long urls are wasting bandwidth' article? |
| 04:07.08 | Adys | yes |
| 04:07.10 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:07.22 | Kirov | Carbonite as an addon is kinda ugly. |
| 04:07.52 | Tekkub | didn't google have an analysis of the "carbon footprint" of each char of text you get from their servers? |
| 04:07.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Dune@208-104-142-238.rhhe1.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 04:07.58 | Tekkub | makes me think of that :) |
| 04:08.07 | Adys | yeah they did have something like that |
| 04:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | I'm going to rename Questhelper to "Princess Leia" |
| 04:08.37 | mikma | huh, so how can the game understand carbonite.lua? |
| 04:08.45 | ZorbaTHut | because everyone knows that the only thing that can break carbonite is Princess Leia |
| 04:08.54 | Tekkub | ugh |
| 04:09.10 | ZorbaTHut | mikma, it's valid lua - as I remember, the bulk of it is a giant compressed/encoded string. some chunk decodes it, loadstring()'s and runs it |
| 04:09.39 | mikma | zorbathut: mmkay. odd |
| 04:10.13 | Tekkub | mikma, that's kinda the standard "obfuscation" anyway, there aren't that many options for garbling lua that isn't compiled |
| 04:10.15 | ZorbaTHut | the QH static_*.lua datafiles are a similar level of unreadability, though in that case because they're condensed for loading time (and in v1.0, also compressed to reduce memory usage) |
| 04:10.43 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, those are just a string though, right |
| 04:10.49 | Tekkub | not loadstring madness? |
| 04:11.01 | mikma | tekkub: Bang-addons used some library i think |
| 04:11.08 | ZorbaTHut | a table of strings, and a table of strings which is actually loadstring'ed after decompression |
| 04:11.12 | ZorbaTHut | (in v1, not in v0) |
| 04:11.14 | Tekkub | Bang's just crap, I'm sorry |
| 04:11.40 | mikma | http://bangcraft.com/ |
| 04:11.46 | mikma | oh wow.. |
| 04:12.00 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, eeew, leave it in the string as long as you can and do metatable majicks to cache them in a table only when you read em |
| 04:12.13 | Tekkub | mikma, don't look in !Bang!Core !! |
| 04:12.26 | Tekkub | you'll hurt yourself laughing |
| 04:12.30 | ZorbaTHut | I have to decompress very few of them at a time, it's easier to just decompress it completely |
| 04:12.51 | mikma | tekkub: thats an open invitation to do so and you know it! |
| 04:12.58 | Tekkub | no |
| 04:12.59 | Tekkub | don't |
| 04:13.05 | ZorbaTHut | plus I don't actually want to muck with binary formats or anything :) |
| 04:13.13 | Tekkub | it's like a trainwreck of kittens |
| 04:13.20 | ZorbaTHut | but kittens are adorable! |
| 04:13.22 | ZorbaTHut | goes to look |
| 04:13.27 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, not talking binary or even compression |
| 04:13.39 | Tekkub | look at engravings, you'll see what I'm talking about |
| 04:13.42 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: Kittens are adorable |
| 04:13.49 | Wobin | however they lose their cuteness when minced |
| 04:13.58 | Tekkub | it's got some damn big datasets, and clocks in at like 400KiB |
| 04:13.59 | Wobin | (you can fit more kitten in a small space that way though) |
| 04:14.29 | Tekkub | ZorbaTHut, you don't use ace libs though right? so you might not quite get what's so bad |
| 04:14.53 | ZorbaTHut | I don't use ace libs, no |
| 04:15.33 | Tekkub | in that case, just go look at his actual addons and laugh at them |
| 04:15.37 | Tekkub | like the inner fire one |
| 04:16.01 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-177-118-15.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 04:16.15 | ZorbaTHut | looks like engravings is just match'ing over a big text string |
| 04:16.33 | Tekkub | you know, it's all that standard shit that he would have learned to do better had he actually been part of the community instead of just trying to obsfuscate his shits |
| 04:17.03 | Tekkub | yea, but it only does the match once per query value |
| 04:17.32 | Tekkub | i.e. I don't "decompress" anything till it's needed, and I don't do it more than once |
| 04:17.36 | Wobin | he.... uh kinda fails at the whole point of libraries, doesn't he? |
| 04:17.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiiane1 (n=Aiiane@starfire.ST.HMC.Edu) |
| 04:17.51 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's what I do as well, only I actually have a compression layer on top of that as well |
| 04:17.52 | Tekkub | Wobin, just a lil |
| 04:17.53 | mikma | what the... |
| 04:17.59 | ZorbaTHut | and I also get rid of old decompressed stuff once it's no longer needed :) |
| 04:18.23 | Tekkub | yea if I need to do that I set the table weak to let GC handle it |
| 04:18.31 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's what I'm doing too |
| 04:18.35 | ZorbaTHut | works pretty well |
| 04:18.39 | Tekkub | yup |
| 04:18.41 | Wobin | hm, BangCore looks familiar |
| 04:18.46 | mikma | there still donation-begs at the end of !Bang-shit.lua |
| 04:18.49 | Wobin | oh wow |
| 04:18.49 | ZorbaTHut | with a bit of nastiness to make it keep the entire table tree around if any of it is allocated |
| 04:18.52 | Wobin | he uses Ace 2 -and- 3 |
| 04:18.56 | Wobin | That's TWICE AS COOL |
| 04:19.01 | ZorbaTHut | mikma, if they don't run, it's not a problem. I've got stuff littering QH that's disabled |
| 04:19.02 | Tekkub | lern2math |
| 04:19.06 | Tekkub | that's 5 cool |
| 04:19.18 | Wobin | cause he uses them TOGETHER |
| 04:19.41 | Tekkub | wait, no if he's using them together, it's 2*3 so it's 6 cools |
| 04:19.44 | mikma | zorbathut: i dunno do they run. go and see for yourself |
| 04:19.57 | Wobin | or maybe 3^2 |
| 04:20.02 | ZorbaTHut | mikma, meh |
| 04:20.03 | Wobin | or 2^3 |
| 04:20.04 | Tekkub | 2^3 |
| 04:20.19 | Wobin | when in fact it's.. terrible |
| 04:20.20 | seebs_ | But ace is 1, so I think it's probably 1^2^3. |
| 04:20.47 | Vonhinten | 2^3 is binary... too logical, it'd be 3^2 |
| 04:20.47 | mikma | name = "Blizzard says that I can't tell you to push this button. So, please click very close to this button rather innacurately.", |
| 04:20.51 | Tekkub | he's not using ace1 |
| 04:21.02 | Wobin | Isn't it 'technically' a stand alone version of Ace? |
| 04:21.02 | Tekkub | ace1 probably doesn't even load anymore |
| 04:21.09 | Wobin | since he renames it to BangCore? |
| 04:21.26 | Tekkub | no, ace standalone doesn't have all that shit in it |
| 04:21.28 | mikma | and if you click that you will get a spam in your chat |
| 04:21.33 | Tekkub | it's !!!Libs and then some |
| 04:22.13 | Tekkub | ckknight, you hear that? |
| 04:22.23 | Tekkub | just rename your donation buttons "DO NOT CLICK" |
| 04:22.34 | ckknight | lol. |
| 04:22.34 | Wobin | he's with WowUI? |
| 04:22.37 | Tekkub | it's airtight legal |
| 04:23.30 | Tekkub | "By clicking that button, you requested this donation info, therefore this is not a solicitaion" |
| 04:23.49 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/BangCore-3.1.lua |
| 04:24.06 | mikma | see the bottom of the file |
| 04:24.17 | Tekkub | "Also by reading this aloud you waive all liability of Bilzzard and it's subisdiaries" |
| 04:24.36 | Vonhinten | I still think you should use "Blizzard does not allow donation requests. To find out why click [http://mysite/reason.aspx?redirect=dontaion.aspx]" |
| 04:24.58 | Wraithan | By reading this fine print your soul is now the exclusive property of Ctrl+Alt+Del and subsidiaries. |
| 04:24.58 | Wraithan | Unauthorized use of Ctrl+Alt+Del characters, images, materials, souls, odors, and oxygen is strongly discouraged. We know where you sleep. |
| 04:25.02 | Wraithan | http://cad-comic.com/ |
| 04:25.07 | Tekkub | nope that's deceptive |
| 04:25.07 | Wraithan | CAD rocks |
| 04:25.43 | Cairenn | http://notalwaysright.com/nothin-like-a-good-old-existential-meltdown/702 |
| 04:25.55 | Tekkub | I found myself asking myself "why am I still reading this?" too much so I stopped reading CAD |
| 04:26.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i found myself realizing that the dude who writes that is a tool. |
| 04:27.32 | Tekkub | "You received a payment of $1.00 USD from..." |
| 04:27.36 | Tekkub | uhm |
| 04:27.39 | End | THE MEAT OF THE MATTER |
| 04:27.45 | Tekkub | should I be thankful or insulted? |
| 04:27.49 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: afaik he doesnt use ace2 at all |
| 04:28.02 | Wobin | he has the libraries... no? |
| 04:28.19 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: like tek said its just 'because other addons might need them' |
| 04:28.20 | Wobin | Or is that ace1? |
| 04:28.20 | mikma | tekkub: yey |
| 04:28.26 | Tekkub | that's like 67¢ after paypal gets it's share |
| 04:28.29 | Vonhinten | It's $1 you didn't have before |
| 04:28.55 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: yeah thats why i hate paypal, fucking leeches |
| 04:29.03 | Wobin | CAD is -terrible- |
| 04:29.04 | Vonhinten | although, now you have to pay taxes on that, and submit additional income on your taxes... |
| 04:29.10 | Wobin | utterly terrible |
| 04:29.22 | Tekkub | CAD has a funny every few months |
| 04:29.31 | Wobin | It's usually copied from somewhere else =P |
| 04:29.32 | Wraithan | I love CAD |
| 04:29.35 | Tekkub | it was $1 for TourGuide too, heh |
| 04:30.05 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, I've seen worse - I've gotten a significant number of <$1 donations |
| 04:30.15 | ZorbaTHut | half a dozen under 10c. I'm pretty sure those are meant to be insulting ;) |
| 04:30.27 | mikma | Pff |
| 04:30.30 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-66-9-6.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:31.04 | Vonhinten | if every wow player that uses questhelper gave 9c, you'd do pretty well :) |
| 04:31.13 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I wouldn't object to that at all :) |
| 04:31.16 | ZorbaTHut | well |
| 04:31.19 | ZorbaTHut | unless they did it via Paypal |
| 04:31.26 | ZorbaTHut | in which case I'd end up with $0 and Paypal would do pretty well |
| 04:31.27 | Wobin | then you'd get... -3c |
| 04:31.46 | Wobin | reminds me of the apple refund policy |
| 04:31.49 | Vonhinten | they take a percentage or a flat amount, whichever is bigger? |
| 04:32.04 | ZorbaTHut | von, yeah, I think so. it might be flat-amount-plus-percentage, I'm not sure |
| 04:32.07 | Tekkub | they take like $0.30 per txn plus 2% |
| 04:32.10 | Tekkub | or something |
| 04:32.18 | Vonhinten | oh fuck that |
| 04:32.26 | Wobin | txn? |
| 04:32.30 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't looked into the details since it seems largely inconsequential, I'd lose more by changing to any other than I'd gain |
| 04:32.32 | Tekkub | transaction |
| 04:32.38 | Wobin | worst abbreviation ever |
| 04:33.00 | mikma | wbn! |
| 04:33.10 | Wobin | at least my name has all those letters in it |
| 04:33.22 | Wobin | it'd be like calling you mxm |
| 04:33.27 | mikma | w obi n kenobi |
| 04:33.30 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, lol, dps lfg4dm thx, please pst |
| 04:33.35 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: with pledgie does each donation turn into a paypal transaction? |
| 04:33.39 | Tekkub | Wobin, nope, the oil unit barrel is the worst |
| 04:33.41 | Tekkub | "bbl" |
| 04:33.52 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:33.58 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, yes pledgie is just a wrapper for paypal |
| 04:34.21 | ZorbaTHut | although I stand by the claim that "idk" is the worst abbreviation ever, because I have never seen someone unironically type "idk" in a situation that did not mean I wanted to choke them |
| 04:34.36 | Shirik | What's the fastest way for alliance to get to SM? |
| 04:34.36 | ZorbaTHut | "why don't you have any gems?" "idk" |
| 04:34.38 | Arrowmaster | i know but they dont stockpile multiple donations into a single paypal transaction right |
| 04:34.38 | Tekkub | idk is okey |
| 04:34.42 | Tekkub | plox though |
| 04:34.43 | ZorbaTHut | "why did you pull the boss?" "idk" |
| 04:34.55 | mikma | shirik: ask BD to join |
| 04:35.01 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:35.04 | ZorbaTHut | "why are you a waste of air?" "idk, lol" |
| 04:35.05 | Shirik | bad mikma |
| 04:35.13 | mikma | lolololo! sorry i had to |
| 04:35.25 | Tekkub | yea I don't say "idk" I shrug and make that i-rrr-no half-word sound thing |
| 04:36.13 | mikma | neinnrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:36.21 | Tekkub | "ur" is the one that makes me want to strangle them |
| 04:36.39 | mikma | y so srs? |
| 04:36.49 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlThePagan (n=karl@66.225.8.145) |
| 04:36.53 | Tekkub | u giev soj? |
| 04:36.56 | Vonhinten | "L4 2 more 4 naxx, send tell 4 invite" |
| 04:36.59 | mikma | kekeke |
| 04:37.13 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's nothing wrong with admitting ignorance, in any way you find convenient. it's just that, for some reason, when that method is "idk", 99% of the time it seems to actually translate as "I don't know, and I don't want to invest the brainpower to figure out why I personally am doing things, I'm just randomly pounding on the mouse/keyboard and hoping I get my purpz with the minimum of intellectual effort" |
| 04:37.17 | Adys | Tekkub: u strangle |
| 04:37.23 | Tekkub | Vonhinten, way too many vowels |
| 04:37.32 | Vonhinten | yeah |
| 04:37.35 | mikma | i saw the worst way to spell "rogue" couple of days ago... "ruoge" |
| 04:37.36 | Tekkub | l42m naxx pst4inv |
| 04:37.48 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:38.02 | Wobin | When people ask for something and say 'plz' because it's shorter to type than 'please I have no compunction in not answering 'no', because it's shorter to type than 'yes' |
| 04:38.08 | ZorbaTHut | mikma, that's impressive |
| 04:38.23 | mikma | zorbathut: i agree completely |
| 04:38.25 | ZorbaTHut | I actually really want to make a rogue named "Eyeliner" |
| 04:38.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:38.44 | Wobin | we have a rogue named MaulinRogue |
| 04:38.53 | Vonhinten | heh |
| 04:38.54 | Cairenn | also lol |
| 04:39.02 | Tekkub | Rougeeyeliner |
| 04:39.03 | mikma | wobin: i always do that actually... |
| 04:39.27 | ZorbaTHut | things that bug me: people who put their spec in their name, and it's wrong |
| 04:39.35 | Wobin | IHealBears |
| 04:39.37 | ZorbaTHut | there's a priest in my guild named "Tehealz" who grumbles whenever he's asked to spec out of shadow :P |
| 04:39.38 | Tekkub | man, too ban I hate rogues, I'm roll one just to name it Moulin |
| 04:39.54 | mikma | wobin: "plz can u do this n that" -> 'you say plz because its shorter gthan please, so i say no because its shorter than yes' |
| 04:39.54 | Tekkub | I have a druid named Bear :) |
| 04:40.01 | Vonhinten | Like the deathknight called "sneakyrogue" |
| 04:40.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's too bad you can't have a Tauren rogue, or you could go with "Moolin" |
| 04:40.13 | Tekkub | and a tauren shaman named Bear, just to be a dick |
| 04:40.20 | mikma | i have a gnome warlock called Funny! |
| 04:40.32 | End | how funny |
| 04:40.34 | Wobin | I have somewhat of a theme on my horde toons now |
| 04:40.41 | Wobin | First was the DK, Snuusnu |
| 04:40.46 | Tekkub | I should make a gnome DK, Gnomcicle |
| 04:40.47 | Wobin | now the hunter SnuusToMe |
| 04:40.57 | Wobin | I'll probably have the shammy Snuupy |
| 04:40.58 | mikma | wobin: good news everyone! |
| 04:41.19 | Tekkub | or just a dumb human DK named Artie |
| 04:41.34 | Wobin | have to be a different server =P |
| 04:43.25 | Tekkub | deathbymoo |
| 04:43.38 | mikma | Death by moo moo? |
| 04:43.45 | ZorbaTHut | I don't really have a theme in my characters, it's just whatever sounds awesome at the time |
| 04:43.50 | Tekkub | Moosnu |
| 04:44.01 | Tekkub | I have a theme |
| 04:44.06 | Tekkub | a very predicatable theme |
| 04:44.09 | mikma | reminds me of the "human cow porn" |
| 04:44.10 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, haha. moosnu. |
| 04:44.12 | Tekkub | "bear" |
| 04:44.44 | ZorbaTHut | as a side note, I'm vastly amused at how few characters named Deathknight are actually death knights |
| 04:44.47 | ZorbaTHut | check the armory, it's fantastic |
| 04:44.53 | Tekkub | Bear, Cub, Mishutka (I won't use the name Medved), Bjorn, Kuma |
| 04:45.16 | Tekkub | Kumanoinkei |
| 04:45.22 | Wobin | were they made before 3.0? |
| 04:46.46 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: chances are they were =P |
| 04:46.54 | Tekkub | "Official KY Derby Tickets" |
| 04:46.59 | Tekkub | false advertising! |
| 04:47.05 | Wobin | cause if not, someone would have taken it up on that server as soon as 3.0 came out =P |
| 04:47.09 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, yeah, I seem to recall someone mentioned that he had a friend who'd been named Deathknight at max level since 1.0 |
| 04:47.30 | Vonhinten | Every time I think of Derby, I crave pie... |
| 04:47.35 | ZorbaTHut | and as soon as death knights were announced, he started getting a ton of people demanding that he buy a name change so they could take the name Deathknight with an actual death knight |
| 04:47.41 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect his ignore list is long since full. |
| 04:47.53 | Wobin | I would have had them bid |
| 04:47.55 | mikma | Every time i think of KY .... |
| 04:47.58 | Wobin | cash up front |
| 04:48.20 | Wobin | take the top 10 bids |
| 04:48.34 | Wobin | take the cash, and the name change and toss it at them to see who got it first =P |
| 04:48.52 | Wobin | and then they wouldn't be able to find you, cause you changed your name |
| 04:50.41 | mikma | haha |
| 04:50.50 | mikma | unless they have you on friendlist |
| 04:51.00 | mikma | then they can see your new name |
| 04:51.03 | ZorbaTHut | transfer servers ;) |
| 04:51.10 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 04:51.18 | mikma | no, that > |
| 04:51.25 | ZorbaTHut | no, this v |
| 04:51.30 | Wobin | dance! |
| 04:51.38 | ZorbaTHut | dances |
| 04:51.58 | mikma | imagines wobin dancing in a dress |
| 04:52.33 | Wobin | anyway you could just say "Well I told you as soon as the name change went though, it's not my fault someone else nabbed it" |
| 04:53.42 | Vonhinten | blah... I should be able to transfer heirlooms from one account I own to another account I own |
| 04:54.03 | Wobin | you can't? |
| 04:54.12 | mikma | account binded |
| 04:55.01 | mikma | i am still dreaming of getting the other heirloom trinket for my lock |
| 04:55.28 | Vonhinten | badges just going to watch on my other account cause all my alts are on main account |
| 04:55.33 | Vonhinten | watch=waste |
| 04:57.56 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall they've mentioned eventually being able to send heirlooms between servers |
| 04:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | and I think it would be neat if that included between-faction also, though I don't know if they plan for that |
| 05:00.11 | kd3 | oh geez. how's that for circular |
| 05:00.18 | kd3 | a random not always right post linked to the wow forums |
| 05:00.23 | kd3 | http://notalwaysright.com/its-not-my-fault-even-though-it-is/72 |
| 05:02.04 | Dashkal | Not the first time |
| 05:04.27 | Fisker- | DUN DUND UN |
| 05:04.45 | Fisker- | We have a short but important announcement that we wanted to share with our players. World of Warcraft is currently an operation of Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. (USA), but starting April 14, 2009, the game operator will be Blizzard Entertainment's central European entity, Blizzard Entertainment S.A.S. (France) |
| 05:04.47 | Fisker- | :O |
| 05:05.07 | Fisker- | i wonder why they're telling their european customers that though |
| 05:06.02 | mikma | fisker-: they are moving to europe? |
| 05:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Because they are the only ones who matter concerning that? |
| 05:06.45 | mikma | seems like usa blizzard is getting ready for something big! |
| 05:06.54 | mikma | WoW2 !!1 |
| 05:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like they got their heads on straight |
| 05:07.05 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Although I suspect it has been in the works a LONG time |
| 05:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yey red tape |
| 05:08.11 | Fisker- | I just hope it means global community |
| 05:08.15 | Fisker- | though it probably doesn't |
| 05:08.22 | mikma | battle.net |
| 05:08.25 | kd3 | ~wowalert |
| 05:08.26 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 05:08.35 | Fisker- | battle.net isn't a global community either |
| 05:08.39 | Fisker- | it's still segmented |
| 05:09.08 | mikma | your mom is segmented |
| 05:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: you're not Fisker-, that isn't your joke |
| 05:09.51 | mikma | scytheblade1: just paying him back what he deserves |
| 05:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough |
| 05:09.57 | Fisker- | anyone with iphone? |
| 05:24.48 | Fisker- | Note that your continued use of the World of Warcraft service indicates that you agree to the change. |
| 05:24.57 | Fisker- | that would suck if you were playing when the e-mail was sent |
| 05:24.58 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 05:50.26 | Codex| | wtb updates for wowchess and monkeypirate! |
| 05:52.18 | deQer | Arrowmaster, how do you see the dropdown? |
| 05:53.00 | Arrowmaster | the minimap icon |
| 05:55.42 | Codex| | ~seen Vana |
| 05:55.43 | purl | i haven't seen 'vana', Codex| |
| 05:55.48 | Codex| | !seen Vana |
| 05:55.49 | Codex| | damnit |
| 05:58.47 | kmcguire | Some improvements to the TW sector map algorithm. This one is dynamic, maybe like how the stars move over time too, so it adjusts to best fit data and warps, http://f.imagehost.org/view/0075/tw_newuni2. |
| 05:58.56 | Codex| | my friend has an addon that has al ibs folder with "AceEvent-2.0" in it. however, wow is popping an lua error that "AceEvent-2.0" could not be found. any idea? |
| 05:59.58 | Codex| | ..\AddOns\MonkeyPirate\MonkeyPirate.lua line 3: AceAddon: AceOO-2.0: Library "AceEvent-2.0" does not exist. however, \libs\AceEevent-2.0 does exist |
| 06:01.10 | Arrowmaster | check the toc to see if its actually being loaded? |
| 06:01.29 | Codex| | i am running the same addon and it works fine for me |
| 06:01.51 | Arrowmaster | so |
| 06:01.52 | Codex| | minus a small glitch on my end that he doesnt have with the ace function settextcolor() not being foumd,. but i just commented our that line for me |
| 06:02.02 | Arrowmaster | you arent running the exact same addons folder as he is |
| 06:02.03 | Codex| | why would the toc load it on my machine but not his |
| 06:02.09 | Codex| | im not? |
| 06:02.21 | Arrowmaster | because its might not be loading it on yours either |
| 06:02.54 | Codex| | its not popping an lua error for me |
| 06:02.59 | Arrowmaster | so |
| 06:03.11 | Arrowmaster | you could have aceevent-2.0 being loaded from somewhere else |
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| 06:04.36 | Codex| | why would his lib folder have the lib but it not be loaded? |
| 06:06.38 | Arrowmaster | because it still has to be loaded by the toc, it cant just exist |
| 06:07.54 | Codex| | i will give you 10 bucks irl to update the monkeypirate and wowchess addons :) |
| 06:08.54 | Vonhinten | Sorry, no money is allowed to exchange hands without Blizzard's expressed permission, and fees shorty, fees |
| 06:09.36 | Codex| | ok update it for fum? :) |
| 06:09.38 | Codex| | fun* |
| 06:10.02 | Arrowmaster | plus nobody but the original authors of those addons can update them unless they released them under a license that allows others to modifiy it |
| 06:10.04 | Vonhinten | extra dolla day extra |
| 06:10.41 | Codex| | it needs like max of 10 lines changed :( |
| 06:11.12 | Vonhinten | pirating is bad... |
| 06:11.21 | Vonhinten | especially if it's monkey pirating |
| 06:13.11 | Codex| | you ever play the monkey island pc game? |
| 06:14.19 | Vonhinten | no |
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| 06:14.40 | Tekkub | I still don't get why you would play a different game INSIDE wow |
| 06:14.46 | Tekkub | just alt-tab you ass |
| 06:14.47 | Jamash | flight path? |
| 06:15.04 | Vonhinten | bejeweled was fun |
| 06:15.11 | Vonhinten | for a couple weeks |
| 06:16.13 | Arrowmaster | especially when your guildmates couldnt beat your legit high score =D |
| 06:16.49 | Arrowmaster | or atleast not for a few weeks |
| 06:16.49 | Tekkub | ugh, guess it's time to clean off my desk |
| 06:16.53 | Vonhinten | we had a constant back and forth beating each other, until one guy got some ridiculous like 50k score |
| 06:16.56 | Tekkub | <--- getting a mac mini tomorrow |
| 06:17.05 | Arrowmaster | 50k? |
| 06:17.17 | Arrowmaster | in the normal mode? |
| 06:17.23 | Vonhinten | yeah, on the time games |
| 06:17.40 | Arrowmaster | time games was points per minute i thought |
| 06:17.52 | Arrowmaster | i had like a 500k top score in the normal mode |
| 06:18.31 | Vonhinten | ah, right.. lemmee see if I still have the SV file |
| 06:19.05 | smcn | in-game bejeweled is the only way i could have ever maxed my fishing |
| 06:19.20 | Jamash | I fish while listening to podcasts |
| 06:19.26 | Jamash | or vent |
| 06:19.43 | Vonhinten | classic, 35984 |
| 06:19.45 | Tekkub | I just can't get into podcasts |
| 06:19.47 | Vonhinten | couldn't ever come close to that |
| 06:19.52 | Tekkub | it's like talk radio, but worse |
| 06:20.09 | Vonhinten | timed was 541.99 |
| 06:20.20 | Vonhinten | best I got there was 460.76 |
| 06:20.26 | Jamash | well I listen to gaming podcasts |
| 06:20.31 | smcn | funny you say that, every podcast i listen to is from NPR, except for joystiq :P |
| 06:20.58 | Jamash | I listen to NPR and 1UP network stuff mostly |
| 06:23.05 | Arrowmaster | lets see classic, somebody in guild had a 53123 and then i got a 62481, timed somebody had 629.97 |
| 06:23.12 | Tewan | hmm |
| 06:23.45 | Arrowmaster | i only got a 337.48 in timed |
| 06:24.07 | Tewan | I R have a question... can you set gatherer to stop displaying nodes on the world map via a macro or something? |
| 06:24.24 | Tewan | I don't wanna open the options and uncheck the box everytime I get annoyed by them :/ |
| 06:26.13 | Codex| | ~seen Hexarobi |
| 06:26.14 | purl | hexarobi <n=Hexarobi@pool-71-123-215-35.dllstx.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 250d 14h 58m 46s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 06:26.25 | kmcguire | haha |
| 06:26.36 | Codex| | well damn |
| 06:26.42 | kmcguire | ~seen kmcguire |
| 06:26.43 | purl | kmcguire is currently on #wowuidev #curseforge. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen kmcguire'. |
| 06:34.41 | Vonhinten | lol, a 14 year old girl takes photos of herself nude, posts them on myspace, and now they're trying to charge her with child pornography... |
| 06:40.06 | Shirik | and? |
| 06:41.24 | Vonhinten | just more evidence of the crazies getting crazier |
| 06:42.44 | Shirik | I don't find that to be crazy |
| 06:43.20 | Vonhinten | oooook |
| 06:43.46 | Vonhinten | cooocooo cooocooo |
| 06:43.58 | Cairenn | which part _don't_ you find crazy, Shirik? That they're charging her? or that she posted them in the first place? |
| 06:44.11 | Shirik | the first |
| 06:44.16 | Shirik | or the second, really |
| 06:44.21 | Cairenn | (imo, the fact that she posted them in the first place is just so incredibly sad) |
| 06:44.31 | Shirik | er, wait, sorry |
| 06:44.35 | Shirik | no I find that she posted them crazy |
| 06:44.36 | Corrodias_2 | both |
| 06:44.46 | Shirik | and I don't find that they're charging her crazy |
| 06:44.56 | Shirik | something like that should not be legal |
| 06:44.57 | Cairenn | nod |
| 06:45.07 | Shirik | Not to punish the child, but to protect her |
| 06:45.18 | Cairenn | agreed |
| 06:45.20 | Corrodias | protect her buttocks in jail |
| 06:46.02 | Vonhinten | That's brilliant, force her to register as a sex offender for the rest of her life because she took photos of herself, and posted them online |
| 06:46.29 | Corrodias | smirkle. however, there may be different sentencing for juveniles. |
| 06:47.02 | Corrodias | though in the end, she will be punished for being taken advantage of |
| 06:47.21 | Shirik | will it stop others from doing the same thing, Vonhinten? |
| 06:47.49 | Vonhinten | No, but that's not really the point... |
| 06:47.56 | Corrodias | does it stop -anyone-? hard to tell. it doesn't stop -everyone-, i know that much. |
| 06:48.49 | Vonhinten | I have a photo of me and my girlfriend kissing when we were 14... I should probably go throw that out |
| 06:48.53 | Vonhinten | It's not safe anymore |
| 06:49.42 | Vonhinten | Actually, come to think of it... when I fucked her, we weren't legal... I should probably be thrown in jail because I remember her nice 14 year old tits |
| 06:49.47 | Corrodias | i'm pretty familiar with the related law(s), and am almost certain that kissing doesn't count, unless it's a hell of a kiss. but you should really check for yourself, because i'm no lawyer. and i only know some USA laws. |
| 06:50.35 | Cairenn | Vonhinten: stop trying to shock us with your language, it makes you seem even more immature |
| 06:50.59 | Vonhinten | lol |
| 06:51.05 | Vonhinten | you were shocked by that? |
| 06:51.18 | Wraithan | Vonhinten: you notice the word trying? |
| 06:51.25 | Cairenn | that is exactly what I was saying ... you aren't shocking us, so stop trying |
| 06:51.43 | Tekkub | I think he was aiming for impressing |
| 06:51.47 | Tekkub | but that didn't work either |
| 06:51.54 | Vonhinten | I guess I'm immature then |
| 06:52.03 | Cairenn | or maybe offend? still missed the mark |
| 06:52.22 | Corrodias | i didn't notice... well, anyway, you've got my advice. |
| 06:53.32 | Vonhinten | I wasn't expecting people to focus on the words, and instead the ridiculousness of what I was implying |
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| 06:54.05 | Cairenn | way to completely miss the point |
| 06:54.15 | Corrodias | that someone on the internet has had sex? |
| 06:54.24 | Corrodias | i know i had a good laugh~ |
| 06:54.26 | Vonhinten | what? |
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| 06:57.02 | Cairenn | Vonhinten: there is a world of difference between two youngsters having sex (whatever your opinion of that) and video taping it and posting it online or selling it or .... |
| 06:58.26 | Corrodias | there's a difference between those things at any age |
| 06:58.32 | Cairenn | yup |
| 06:58.43 | Cairenn | but the particular topic was child porn |
| 06:58.47 | Vonhinten | Do you charge a minor that takes alcohol from his parents with "providing alcohol to a minor" ? No you don't. You charge them with "underage drinking" at best |
| 06:59.24 | Corrodias | we don't make the laws, mang |
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| 07:13.54 | Syzgyn | Funniest way to wipe on KT: aggro 10 or so skeletons in P1 and let them all get to the inner circle, exploding for 5k each |
| 07:17.59 | Wraithan | Syzgyn: I Was always partial to the chain iceblock |
| 07:18.07 | Syzgyn | Havent had that one yet |
| 07:18.21 | Syzgyn | but it sounds epic |
| 07:19.15 | Wraithan | Had 4 people mess up positioning, on 25 man, 10+ of us were iceblocked |
| 07:24.42 | Shefki | Wraithan: How the hell is that even possible. |
| 07:25.18 | Wraithan | You can chain all 25 if you try hard enough |
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| 07:34.40 | Buglouse | How do i update my lua files? |
| 07:35.32 | Buglouse | I don't have any tags available. I've dl LibDogTags and other libs. I can't seem to get the constants defined in wow for pitbull addon, and other. |
| 07:35.35 | Corrodias | if ever there were a question... |
| 07:36.02 | Corrodias | well, that went right over my head, so i'll pass :| |
| 07:39.40 | Tekkub | lawl, fucking banks |
| 07:40.00 | Tekkub | so, I get mah paychacks via billpay, from two different banks for two different clients... |
| 07:40.11 | Tekkub | looked like it was the same billpay service though... |
| 07:40.22 | Tekkub | today, I got both my checks, in the same envelope |
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| 08:22.22 | Cairenn | hrm, anyone awake? |
| 08:23.34 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 08:24.15 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: mind seeing if you can hit WoWI for me, please? |
| 08:24.20 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 08:24.27 | Cairenn | checking to see if the problem is on my end before I call and wake Dolby up |
| 08:24.34 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 08:24.40 | Cairenn | can't hit it? |
| 08:24.51 | Thunder_Child | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.wowinterface.com. |
| 08:25.02 | Cairenn | ah, nm, he's still awake, just pinged me in the staff channel |
| 08:25.04 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
| 08:25.10 | Thunder_Child | i can ping it however |
| 08:25.16 | Wraithan | I can't hit it from either, using Chrome |
| 08:25.30 | Thunder_Child | Pinging wowinterface.com [67.228.49.65] with 32 bytes of data: |
| 08:25.30 | Thunder_Child | Reply from 67.228.49.65: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=46 |
| 08:25.30 | Thunder_Child | Reply from 67.228.49.65: bytes=32 time=63ms TTL=46 |
| 08:25.31 | Cairenn | thanks guys |
| 08:25.32 | Wraithan | Haven't tried other browsers, just hit the link to double check |
| 08:25.56 | Cairenn | that's fine, he's looking at it :) |
| 08:26.23 | Cairenn | I was just going to call him if it wasn't me, because I thought he was asleep, so I didn't want to call if it was just something on my end |
| 08:26.45 | Cairenn | errr, redundant statement was redundant |
| 08:26.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:26.56 | Wraithan | Cairenn: I remember when I was a kid using/modifying your UIs for EQ |
| 08:27.03 | Cairenn | Wraithan: :) |
| 08:27.14 | Wraithan | Looooong time ago |
| 08:27.17 | Cairenn | yup |
| 08:27.17 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, Dolby, the 500 error page has a spelling error on i |
| 08:27.18 | Thunder_Child | t |
| 08:27.23 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: lol |
| 08:27.26 | Thunder_Child | "experienceing" |
| 08:27.36 | Wraithan | haha |
| 08:27.37 | Cairenn | spelling error the last of our concerns if it's giving a 500 error ;) |
| 08:27.56 | Thunder_Child | and i cant believe I am giving you crap about spelling |
| 08:27.59 | Thunder_Child | but meh |
| 08:28.05 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 08:30.21 | Cairenn | yeah Wraithan, my days of modding for EQ are a long time past, that's for sure :) |
| 08:31.20 | Wraithan | When I first learned you could modify the UI I spent days playing with it |
| 08:31.29 | Wraithan | Never released anything |
| 08:31.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:34.26 | Wraithan | Was so stoked when I got a exp bar added to my player frame |
| 08:34.40 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 08:35.59 | Wraithan | Later I got into less than legit stuff, and wrote UIs that integrated with that stuff, but that was towards the end of my playing days |
| 08:36.33 | Cairenn | no talking about unlegit stuff in here ;) |
| 08:36.45 | Cairenn | nonlegit? unlegit? |
| 08:36.47 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 08:36.53 | Wraithan | too legit to quit? |
| 08:36.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:37.03 | zenzelezz | illegitimate? |
| 08:37.16 | Cairenn | that! |
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| 08:38.30 | Cairenn | is tired when I can't even come up with that :p |
| 08:40.09 | Thunder_Child | thats because thats not the correct ter, |
| 08:40.15 | Thunder_Child | s/,/m/ |
| 08:40.24 | Cairenn | site's back |
| 08:40.38 | Thunder_Child | so it is |
| 08:40.57 | Cairenn | Dolby rebooted the server |
| 08:41.08 | Thunder_Child | reboots Dolby |
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| 09:57.54 | nevcairiel | Does anyone know on what even talent information are available during login? PLAYER_LOGIN doesnt seem to have them yet |
| 09:59.10 | Shirik | I'm 99% sure there's an event that fires when you do |
| 09:59.22 | Shirik | Like, an event specifically for it |
| 09:59.27 | Shirik | I forget what it's called though :( |
| 09:59.39 | Shirik | It may be the same event as the spellbook actually |
| 10:00.21 | nevcairiel | PLAYER_ALIVE seems to work |
| 10:00.44 | cncfanatics | PLAYER _ALIVE doesn't trigger for reloads though does it ? |
| 10:01.01 | nevcairiel | thats not a problem, on reloads the info is available at any earlier stage too |
| 10:01.25 | cncfanatics | true |
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| 10:09.18 | Shirik | ... |
| 10:09.40 | Shirik | So, I rejoined a guild I was in like 1-2 years ago, applying on their site and they just gave me an invite in a few minutes since they all already knew me |
| 10:09.44 | Shirik | But my app remained open |
| 10:10.00 | cncfanatics | oversight ? :p |
| 10:10.03 | Shirik | I told them I was going to reroll, and this is the kind of stuff that gets posted on "why I should be allowed in" |
| 10:10.22 | Shirik | "[Shirik] is horrible at soloing, and he picked a priest of all things to compound the problem, so this will give me a project to do with my free time" |
| 10:10.37 | Shirik | He's just going to run me through instances whenever he's on |
| 10:10.39 | Shirik | :P |
| 10:10.57 | Shirik | So I'm sitting here like "I should be thankful, but he's totally dissing me in my own app ><" |
| 10:11.06 | cncfanatics | oO, u rerolling priest ? :) |
| 10:11.12 | Shirik | "rerolling" is an interesting term |
| 10:11.20 | Shirik | I have a very, very well geared 80 priest |
| 10:11.26 | Shirik | but she's a BE and this is an alliance guild |
| 10:11.27 | Thunder_Child | comes from D&D after a TPK |
| 10:11.39 | Shirik | I meant it may not be the correct term, Thunder_Child |
| 10:11.52 | cncfanatics | ah I see |
| 10:12.40 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, not quite, since your original char is still around |
| 10:13.34 | cncfanatics | Shirik: out of curiosity, did you already decide on a spec for endgame ? |
| 10:13.42 | Shirik | exactly the same spec I already use |
| 10:14.00 | nevcairiel | do you think anyone deletes their previous char when they reroll in WoW? =p |
| 10:14.12 | cncfanatics | Shirik: which is ? :p |
| 10:14.43 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, some do...simply because they have run out of room |
| 10:14.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:14.55 | Shirik | holy, cncfanatics |
| 10:15.28 | Shirik | I will NEVER play shadow (it's hard enough for me to play shadow while leveling, and I wouldn't do it if I weren't on a time constraint) |
| 10:15.39 | Shirik | and I just don't really like disc as much as holy |
| 10:15.59 | cncfanatics | I'll be going holy & disc with 3.1 |
| 10:16.06 | cncfanatics | and switch between the two depending on the encounter |
| 10:16.13 | Thunder_Child | i'll be going shadow/disc in 3.1 |
| 10:16.21 | Shirik | If I make a 2nd spec on this char, it will be pvp disc |
| 10:16.27 | Thunder_Child | and disc is only for pvp |
| 10:16.34 | Shirik | but considering I'm currently at -500g |
| 10:16.41 | Shirik | I'm not really planning on that in the near future |
| 10:16.58 | cncfanatics | hehe, gold is easy to get by though |
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| 10:47.06 | Wraithan | I have 5 characters to buy dual specs on |
| 10:47.11 | Wraithan | =/ |
| 10:47.20 | Wraithan | Well 4, my mage doesn't really need a dual spec |
| 10:47.59 | nevcairiel | I'm only buying it on my main |
| 10:48.34 | Wraithan | Shaman, DK, Priest and Paladin |
| 10:49.24 | Shirik | ok night night |
| 10:57.19 | Wraithan | Shaman and DK are highest priority since they are 80 and raid |
| 10:57.28 | cncfanatics | I'm just buying it on priesty |
| 10:57.32 | cncfanatics | don't need it on anything else :p |
| 10:59.48 | Wraithan | Shaman would be nice because we often have 1-2 extra healers, so one of us can go dps on some fights, and with my DK I run a weekly naxx10 where I tank/OT but would be nice to open up a tanking slot now and then if that makes it so a guildie can com |
| 10:59.50 | Wraithan | +E |
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| 11:13.34 | Stew_a | how can i force a user-movable frame to change its height relative to the topleft? I set its point relative to the topright when its created, but as soon as its moved it resizes relative to its center |
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| 11:33.15 | zenzelezz | you know those silica gel bags they include in packaging (to keep things dry or whatever); they always say 'THROW AWAY "DO NOT EAT"'. I can never figure why the "do not eat" part is in quotation marks, while "throw away" isn't |
| 11:34.44 | kraftasleep | thats a pretty good point |
| 11:36.19 | cncfanatics | Stew_a: reanchor it after it has moved |
| 11:37.03 | Stew_a | Yeah, i figured that out about 5 minutes ago, can't quite wrap my head around the logic of it, its jumping up and down my screen like a pogostick atm :P |
| 11:37.34 | cncfanatics | well, when you reanchor it you'll have to recalculate its coordinates |
| 11:37.58 | cncfanatics | if something is anchored to TOPLEFT and you reanchor it to TOPRIGHT you'll have to change its x coordinate while letting the y coordinate stay the same |
| 11:38.04 | cncfanatics | x would become screensize - oldX |
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| 11:40.59 | Stew_a | http://pastey.net/111105 still won't behave properly on the Y coord |
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| 11:43.20 | Stew_a | keeps throwing itself at the top of my screen (i've clamped it to the screen) |
| 11:44.02 | cncfanatics | you are going to TOPLEFT from ? |
| 11:44.50 | Stew_a | it starts off anchored to topright, but after the user moves it, goodness knows |
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| 11:46.02 | cncfanatics | well, then you'll have to figure the new anchors after the user moved it |
| 11:46.10 | cncfanatics | and recalculate depending on that |
| 11:46.11 | Stew_a | ah, needed to negate the Y coord |
| 11:46.26 | cncfanatics | oh wait |
| 11:46.29 | Stew_a | now it works fine until it gets moved, then it works fine again after the first movement |
| 11:46.31 | cncfanatics | ur using GetTop & GetLeft, nvm :p |
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| 11:54.34 | Stew_a | ok, reanchored it before trying to animate it and it works fine :-) |
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| 12:57.39 | batrick | be gone troll |
| 12:59.46 | sacarasc | batrick is made of mean. |
| 13:00.22 | batrick | sometimes |
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| 14:11.04 | Arrowmaster | hmm i think roadrunner might have uped their cap from 7mbit to 10mbit |
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| 14:25.32 | kraftasleep | is there a GetNumFactions() which includes collapsed factions? |
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| 14:40.26 | Stew_a | is there a way to rotate in more than one axis on a model widget? |
| 14:49.09 | Stew_a | or is it just limited to 1 axis of rotation? |
| 14:50.32 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Model_SetCamera ? |
| 14:51.49 | foxlit | on the other hand, it doesn't actually describe how. |
| 14:52.00 | Stew_a | doesn't appear to do anything to the models i'm rendering anyway |
| 14:57.02 | Stew_a | its only one axis isn;t it :-( |
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| 15:32.32 | nevcairiel | Who do i have to blame for SpartanUI again? its users are flooing me with bartender bug reports <.< |
| 15:32.56 | nevcairiel | *flooding |
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| 15:36.24 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Ansu |
| 15:37.46 | Anaral | Hmm, interesting. |
| 15:38.20 | Anaral | According to the acheivement tooltip my lvl 2 auction alt has killed a DireMaul boss. |
| 15:39.26 | nevcairiel | You're so over powered |
| 15:39.33 | Thrae | Anaral: God damn overpowered Death Knight alts! |
| 15:39.52 | nevcairiel | lvl 2 in DK land is 56 in our world, or what was it |
| 15:40.06 | Thrae | You're so overpowered you underleveled your DK from 50+ to 2. |
| 15:40.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:41.27 | Anaral | No, I mean a literal lvl 2. My auc alt is a dwarf rogue. |
| 15:41.55 | nevcairiel | nerf rogues |
| 15:42.10 | nevcairiel | Maybe there is some BoE item that triggers the credit |
| 15:43.04 | Anaral | Holy crap, I turned off Vertical Sync and now my fps is hopping between 30 and 160. o.O |
| 15:43.09 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:43.59 | Anaral | I've never seen my framerate go about 80. |
| 15:45.22 | Anaral | s/about/above |
| 15:48.35 | mikma | http://kankky.apina.biz:8003/medium/m_14729.jpg |
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| 16:11.35 | Anaral | Is Magelo a bad website? |
| 16:12.11 | Legorol | as far as I'm aware, Magelo is a product, not a website |
| 16:12.31 | Legorol | ducks |
| 16:12.36 | Anaral | heh |
| 16:12.56 | Anaral | That's what I thought when I saw a guildy's forum sig. |
| 16:16.53 | Anaral | Yuck, while I like their sig designs they want you to download an app to sync your profile... Why don't they use wowarmory like everyone else. |
| 16:17.37 | Fisker- | The program is against the ToS if that's what you're asking |
| 16:20.02 | Anaral | Thought so. |
| 16:20.10 | Anaral | Thanks Fisker. |
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| 16:20.33 | Legorol | ToU, people, ToU. Not ToS. I'm about as adamant on this as krka is on LUA. |
| 16:20.43 | Legorol | hm, his bot is not responding. |
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| 16:31.42 | Fisker- | fuck you Legorol :( |
| 16:31.47 | Fisker- | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 16:31.55 | Legorol | rofl |
| 16:33.44 | foxlit | Lua's Undead Army |
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| 16:38.52 | foxlit | "n Wrath, according to Kaplan, drop rates for quest items are progressive - the more foozles you kill, the higher chance each one has to drop a gizmo" |
| 16:39.01 | foxlit | s/"/"I/ |
| 16:39.04 | Adys | eh? |
| 16:40.44 | foxlit | "So what we did recently with Wrath of the Lich King, and it's something we've never really talked about before, but in Lich King, every creature that is part of the collection quest has the item 100% of the time," continued Kaplan. "But we do a progressive system where we up the chance the player [gets the item] each time he kills it." |
| 16:41.01 | Adys | .. source? |
| 16:42.02 | foxlit | GDC. |
| 16:42.14 | nevcairiel | foxlit: how do they need to incresae if its 100% to begin with? |
| 16:42.18 | nevcairiel | is confused |
| 16:42.35 | foxlit | I presume he's mixing implementation details with the functionality. |
| 16:42.44 | Adys | is he bullshitting or talking about a future patch? :P |
| 16:43.05 | nevcairiel | well collection quest were actually alot less annoying then before |
| 16:43.30 | Adys | because theres a lot less of em |
| 16:43.42 | foxlit | So the mobs would always spawn with the item in their loot list, but you'd only see that item depending on your individual drop %. |
| 16:43.51 | foxlit | That's how I'd read that, at least. |
| 16:44.31 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 16:44.39 | Arrowmaster | since we all know loot is determined on mob spawn |
| 16:45.04 | Arrowmaster | including any and all quest loot |
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| 16:56.15 | Dagmar | Adys: That statement actually rings true by what I've seen now from taking four toons through Northrend |
| 16:57.33 | Adys | whats the name of the mouseover tooltip on buffframebutton1 ? |
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| 17:08.11 | mikma | so |
| 17:08.30 | mikma | this dude said that bejeweled addon has been coded with blizzard employees? :) |
| 17:15.15 | cog|away | hugs his new router |
| 17:16.51 | Dagmar | mikma: That would be sort-of true |
| 17:16.57 | Dagmar | s/true/accurate/; |
| 17:17.03 | mikma | explain please? |
| 17:18.01 | Dagmar | From what I know of an article in Wired from when it first came out was that someone decided to up and write one named something similar (to avoid trouble) and the guys at Popcap found out, saw it and told him basically "Hey... this is neat. We'll give you money if you'll polish it up and make it _exactly_ Bejeweled for WoW" |
| 17:18.34 | nevcairiel | I don't see the blizzard reference now |
| 17:18.41 | Anaral | Aye |
| 17:18.42 | mikma | me neither |
| 17:18.44 | Dagmar | They took care of some other details, which may or may not have included getting people at Blizz to help with, the article didn't go into that much detail |
| 17:19.13 | Dagmar | I would rather like to know who was responsible for why it could *crash the @#$@* out of my client tho |
| 17:19.26 | nevcairiel | I can crash your client with addon stuff if you want |
| 17:19.30 | Dagmar | I thought it was a neat way to pass flying time, but damn it would crash the whole game |
| 17:19.31 | nevcairiel | well at least the PTR |
| 17:19.51 | nevcairiel | happend to me just last week when i playing around with the instance maps <.< |
| 17:20.03 | nevcairiel | s/i pl/i was pl/ |
| 17:20.26 | Dagmar | unrelated to this, it's almost a shame Slashdot seems to have changed their page layout back from yesterday |
| 17:20.29 | mikma | you did a infinite loop, didn't you |
| 17:20.35 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 17:20.41 | nevcairiel | it was a proper crash |
| 17:20.45 | nevcairiel | i'm unsure why |
| 17:20.50 | nevcairiel | but i somehow fixed it |
| 17:20.52 | Dagmar | They added a *nifty* thing to their page that you 'ave to click the "many more" tab to activate now. |
| 17:21.07 | Dagmar | If you scrolled past the end of the page, it would just javascript up and fetch more articles |
| 17:21.16 | Dagmar | Endless page scroll. |
| 17:21.21 | nevcairiel | ha nice |
| 17:21.29 | Dagmar | Yeah I was impressed that no one patented it |
| 17:21.35 | Dagmar | I would have filed for one on that |
| 17:21.45 | Dagmar | ...and I'm not a greedy kinda guy |
| 17:22.28 | nevcairiel | Am i glad that software patents are not allowed in the EU |
| 17:22.32 | Dagmar | I guess Slashdot doesn't have to worry about being overlooked as prior art on preventing an evil patent |
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| 17:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: </3 your new router |
| 17:27.01 | Dagmar | Adys: Of note when I was hunting for animal quest meat, I noticed something was different because I'd drop two or three families of those herbivores and then loot them and be *done* and my gf would plug along right next to me at the same time and have to kill even more of them |
| 17:28.01 | Dagmar | Not enough caffiene in me to remember what those things were called, regardless of the fact that they should flee from me on sight due to genetics if they had any genes |
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| 17:32.28 | mikma | http://www.earthhour.org/home/ |
| 17:32.29 | mikma | lololo |
| 17:32.39 | mikma | no way i'm gonna be in the dark |
| 17:34.03 | foxlit | mikma: warm green glow of your computer monitor is sufficient. |
| 17:34.41 | nevcairiel | I can turn off light just fine, but i'm not turning my PC off =P |
| 17:34.56 | nevcairiel | (what would i do for a full hour? in the dark, too) |
| 17:35.20 | mikma | foxlit: my monitor ain't radioactive ^^ |
| 17:35.32 | foxlit | just point your browser at the right website |
| 17:35.35 | foxlit | nev: sleep. |
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| 17:40.23 | JackBurton7676 | other than [help] is there any other friend checks. like [self] or [pet] ? |
| 17:40.50 | foxlit | you may not compare units. |
| 17:41.32 | cog|away | ScytheBlade1: i'm dling 730mb ptr patch right now so :P |
| 17:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: me, esy, arrow, and kmc all noticed :) |
| 17:44.09 | cog|away | done |
| 17:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: I can totally just feel that /facepalm |
| 17:51.35 | foxlit | Does the EA store still suck? |
| 17:51.43 | cog|away | ScytheBlade1: :p |
| 17:52.03 | Fisker- | yes FoxFurry |
| 17:52.05 | Fisker- | foxlit |
| 17:52.07 | Fisker- | but kinda lulzs |
| 17:52.09 | Fisker- | lulz* |
| 17:52.26 | Fisker- | I believe they increased the standard download to 2 years and extended download service to 5 years |
| 17:52.41 | Fisker- | Still fucking retarded. |
| 17:54.22 | foxlit | Oh, their T&C is just awesome |
| 17:54.43 | foxlit | "... bought and downloaded form this website inside a period of two (5) years after..." |
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| 17:56.38 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 18:03.53 | Zootfizzle | LOL |
| 18:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 18:04.08 | Zootfizzle | 4, no, three! |
| 18:04.12 | Zootfizzle | THREE! |
| 18:04.23 | ScytheBlade1 | sits confused |
| 18:04.28 | Chaoslux | cogwheels? |
| 18:04.33 | Zootfizzle | years :P |
| 18:04.51 | Fisker- | [18:54:43] <foxlit> "... bought and downloaded form this website inside a period of two (5) years after..." |
| 18:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes well, EA has never been the brightest company |
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| 18:10.42 | Dagmar | foxlit: Their policy is still crap considering that there's at least two other places that consider downloads to be valid ad infinitum |
| 18:10.59 | Dagmar | Valve doesn't even bother mentioning it. Their policy is you can just download it as long as they're in business. |
| 18:12.39 | foxlit | unfortunately, they may choose only to sell through their own store |
| 18:16.00 | mikma | oh i know |
| 18:16.34 | mikma | zootfizzle: was Bejeweled (addon) developed with blizzard employees? :D |
| 18:19.08 | Shefki | mikma: I'm gonna say no since someone developed it and then Popcap hired them to make it an official bejeweled thing. |
| 18:20.42 | mikma | the reason why i'm asking is because we ran into a little argument about Bejeweled being "legal" after the new policy |
| 18:21.02 | jnwhiteh | they need to un-obfuscate |
| 18:21.05 | jnwhiteh | that's all |
| 18:21.05 | mikma | someone said "i don't see why it would be 'illegal' because it was developed with blizzard employees" |
| 18:21.14 | jnwhiteh | it was written by Moongazer |
| 18:21.15 | Shefki | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/09/25/wow-insider-interview-popcaps-t-carl-kwoh-and-moongaze-maker/ |
| 18:21.19 | Shefki | ^ There story of it. |
| 18:21.41 | nevcairiel | whats the deal with carbonite now? I heard they un-obfuscated? |
| 18:21.56 | Fisker- | blargh i'm dead |
| 18:22.08 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'm not sure, they're basically saying someone at blizzard told them to make the ad based one. |
| 18:22.14 | mikma | nevcairiel: not yet but it's completely free now |
| 18:22.29 | nevcairiel | Shefki: that doesn't make any sense looking at the policy |
| 18:22.32 | mikma | you can download the full obfuscated version from their site |
| 18:22.37 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I know that. |
| 18:22.47 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I'm just repeating what their people said on their own forums. |
| 18:23.04 | Shefki | http://www.carboniteaddon.com/cs/forums/p/3105/11896.aspx#11896 |
| 18:24.22 | Shefki | It's entirely possible that Blizzard thought ad supported website. |
| 18:24.55 | Fisker- | OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 18:25.10 | mikma | tho, the new policy also says you can't put ads ingame ^^ |
| 18:25.16 | nevcairiel | Shefki: i would think that, as he even talks about wow websites. |
| 18:25.24 | Fisker- | same here |
| 18:25.33 | Fisker- | Carbonite wasted their own time |
| 18:25.34 | Fisker- | gg |
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| 18:25.39 | nevcairiel | hehe yea |
| 18:25.57 | Fisker- | How do you even get clients for ads in a game? |
| 18:26.07 | Fisker- | How do you even verify any impressions or intents to buy? |
| 18:26.11 | Shefki | Find an ad firm to sell them. |
| 18:26.24 | nevcairiel | I bet there are loads of ad companys |
| 18:26.27 | Shefki | Fisker-: How do you sell ads on a billboard, you can't verify any impressions? |
| 18:26.30 | nevcairiel | that just jump at this |
| 18:26.37 | nevcairiel | They probably go by downloads |
| 18:26.39 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 18:26.55 | Shefki | Yeah probably just estimate the installed base and go from there. |
| 18:26.55 | Fisker- | Only retards pay for billboards |
| 18:26.57 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 18:27.11 | Fisker- | But still it's not been done before |
| 18:27.22 | Fisker- | So it still requires someone actually willing to do so to begin with |
| 18:27.28 | Fisker- | Which is what i find odd |
| 18:27.28 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 18:30.22 | Shefki | Based on what they said, I think even the Carbonite people were pretty skeptical about it. But if Blizzard is telling them they can't sell the addon anymore, they have to find a new revenue stream or die. |
| 18:30.32 | Shefki | So I'd guess it was their hail mary. |
| 18:38.16 | seebs_ | Cairenn, feature suggestion for WoWUI: An "ask me later" button for donation requests, so I can try a mod before donating. Or some kind of integration with the favorites list. |
| 18:38.38 | mikma | lol wut? |
| 18:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | seebs_: there is a board for that on their site, iirc |
| 18:38.45 | Cairenn | seebs_: toss it up in our suggestion forum, please? so we don't forget |
| 18:38.53 | seebs_ | ... oh, hey. |
| 18:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: totally beat you to the punch! |
| 18:38.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
| 18:38.59 | seebs_ | what an awesome idea. |
| 18:39.02 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: :) |
| 18:40.34 | Fisker- | invests all of Cairenn's money |
| 18:48.16 | Nechckn_AFK | seebs_ that is a really good idea, was actually going to suggest the same thing. |
| 18:52.03 | Cairenn | it is a good idea |
| 18:52.43 | Cairenn | Which is why I wanted to make sure I don't forget it, in the midst of everything else. |
| 18:55.04 | Fisker- | need your money invested? |
| 18:55.13 | Cairenn | Fisker-: no :p |
| 18:55.32 | Fisker- | :( |
| 18:55.40 | Fisker- | but i already invested it |
| 18:55.44 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:58.06 | Aelobin | Cairenn: hai :P |
| 18:58.13 | Cairenn | Aelobin: hi |
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| 19:03.25 | seebs_ | Yeah, I've been thinking there's a lot of authors who deserve a bit of money for their hard work. |
| 19:04.12 | Cairenn | don't disagree with that, which is why we've always allowed donation links on file info pages |
| 19:04.34 | Cairenn | adding the overlay was just the next step in trying to help :) |
| 19:05.13 | seebs_ | Yup, and it's a good notion. |
| 19:06.42 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 19:13.50 | Cairenn | tacklehugs Shirik|zZz |
| 19:14.11 | Shirik | oofs |
| 19:16.31 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:22.58 | Thunder_Child | we are running out of new places to eat at blizzcon |
| 19:23.09 | Thunder_Child | that caters to everyone that is |
| 19:24.27 | Gnarfoz | at least you can go there :> |
| 19:24.39 | Shirik | Is there a way to reorder your characters on your char select screen? |
| 19:24.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, not that i know of |
| 19:25.14 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, true |
| 19:25.26 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: nope, sadly |
| 19:25.41 | Gnarfoz | always in order of creation :[ |
| 19:26.09 | Shirik | blah |
| 19:26.18 | Shirik | My new main is like my 5th character |
| 19:26.22 | Shirik | I'm used to my main being my first |
| 19:27.39 | Jamash | Shirik: hack into the blizzard servers |
| 19:27.49 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: the fact that the group keeps getting bigger doesn't help, either |
| 19:27.50 | Shirik | k I'll get right on that |
| 19:27.52 | Jamash | or delete all the other characters above it |
| 19:28.08 | Shirik | I would have hoped they'd be in like descending level order or something |
| 19:28.09 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, are we sure it's bigger this year? |
| 19:28.12 | Zootfizzle | I create a non-specific arbitrary number of characters whose names start with aa to ensure my mains are in the same positions per server >_> |
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| 19:28.20 | Cairenn | it's not just finding a new place to eat, it's finding a place that'll take a group our size, without it costing an arm and a leg for everyone |
| 19:28.23 | Jamash | Zootfizzle: lol |
| 19:28.45 | Zootfizzle | Read: Aardvarks are in season this year |
| 19:28.48 | Jamash | I should go to the UI dinner this year, now that I actually have an addon |
| 19:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:29.00 | Cairenn | you could have other years, too |
| 19:29.05 | Thunder_Child | Jamash, you harldy need an addon to go |
| 19:29.07 | Thunder_Child | i do |
| 19:29.11 | Jamash | yeah but I'm shy |
| 19:29.17 | Thunder_Child | me to! |
| 19:29.18 | Shirik | Bring a camera, too |
| 19:29.19 | Cairenn | it isn't just a "dev" dinner, it's a "ui community" dinner, which includes end-users ;) |
| 19:29.25 | Cairenn | no cameras! |
| 19:29.29 | Jamash | haha |
| 19:29.31 | Shirik | it's the best time to get shots of Cairenn because she's not paying attention |
| 19:29.33 | Cairenn | at least, not pointed at me :p |
| 19:29.41 | Thunder_Child | or her ass |
| 19:29.48 | Fisker- | what about keyboards Cairenn? |
| 19:29.59 | Zootfizzle | Keyboards are only welcome if they bring tequila |
| 19:30.01 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, if thats such and issue just go find a foodcourt and people can pick what they want |
| 19:30.11 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: heh |
| 19:30.11 | Fisker- | i'll print screen everything |
| 19:30.23 | Thunder_Child | s/and/an/ |
| 19:30.59 | Fisker- | Blizzard had the tenacity to move around the character list at some point btw |
| 19:31.27 | Zootfizzle | I think you mean temerity |
| 19:31.46 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 19:31.55 | jnwhiteh | it takes a long time to get from 70 to 80 |
| 19:31.55 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 19:31.58 | Thunder_Child | you know, we should just go over to Zootfizzle's place for a gnome cooked meal |
| 19:32.33 | Zootfizzle | Mmm, sprocket loaf |
| 19:32.57 | Fisker- | big words Zootfizzle |
| 19:33.10 | Fisker- | Speaking of which |
| 19:33.17 | Fisker- | this is the cancer that's killing dictionaries |
| 19:33.24 | jnwhiteh | Do you like my ponytail? |
| 19:33.25 | Fisker- | teâ
nacâ
iâ
tyâ â[tuh-nas-i-tee] Show IPA |
| 19:33.25 | Fisker- | ânoun |
| 19:33.25 | Fisker- | the quality or property of being tenacious. |
| 19:33.27 | Fisker- | fuck you! |
| 19:34.28 | Zootfizzle | I agree that you have defined tenacity successfully, and if you're into that sort of thing, I suggest Tekkub! |
| 19:34.47 | Zootfizzle | <3 |
| 19:35.21 | Thunder_Child | must be a full moon tonight, the crazys are coming out |
| 19:35.53 | Fisker- | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=European_forums&diff=1807277&oldid=1769721 <-AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA |
| 19:36.17 | End | Fisker- is in the business of reading old wiki entries |
| 19:36.34 | Fisker- | I was just wondering why he was on the list |
| 19:36.42 | Fisker- | Because he added himself |
| 19:36.44 | Fisker- | so i lol'd |
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| 19:38.18 | laeg | which part of maraudon should be done first? |
| 19:38.32 | laeg | afaik there are quests inside where you have to take an item from one part to another? |
| 19:38.37 | laeg | orange blue etc |
| 19:39.07 | Nechckn_AFK | oh golly, that stuff... it's been a long while, I really don't remember now |
| 19:39.11 | mikma | fisker-: riiiiight, should we just nuke him off again? ;D |
| 19:39.35 | Nechckn_AFK | But, yeah.. look on Wowhead or something to get the info, first or you'll be running back and forth continually, laeg |
| 19:39.59 | Fisker- | Just misleading :P |
| 19:40.01 | Zootfizzle | I always did orange first |
| 19:40.14 | Fisker- | If anything i would be there |
| 19:40.23 | Fisker- | I'm the one who started all of this shit |
| 19:40.35 | Fisker- | But i don't care |
| 19:40.40 | Fisker- | Just think it was funny |
| 19:40.54 | Fisker- | Just one of the other flaws in wikis :P |
| 19:41.34 | Fisker- | So Zootfizzle how does it feel to be the woman in the relationship? |
| 19:41.39 | Fisker- | i.e. EU > US now :P |
| 19:42.05 | mikma | i hate the default worldmap, i really do |
| 19:42.13 | mikma | it doesn't let me zoom into other zones for some reason |
| 19:42.49 | Fisker- | That's because you're looking at a real world map |
| 19:43.07 | mikma | damn! thats it |
| 19:43.20 | Zootfizzle | Fisker-: I take issue with the premise of your statement |
| 19:43.27 | Zootfizzle | :P |
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| 19:48.31 | Fisker- | If only they'll actually be done with that battle.net merging in EU soon |
| 19:48.38 | Fisker- | been a week now |
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| 20:11.36 | Legorol | Fisker-: why is EU > US? (not that i disagree, i'm just curious what makes you say so) |
| 20:12.14 | End | he might be talking about the split off of entities or whatever |
| 20:12.36 | End | tbh, I have no idea for sure what he's talking about :P |
| 20:12.40 | Fisker- | We have a short but important announcement that we wanted to share with our players. World of Warcraft is currently an operation of Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. (USA), but starting April 14, 2009, the game operator will be Blizzard Entertainment's central European entity, Blizzard Entertainment S.A.S. (France), |
| 20:12.57 | Fisker- | O SHI- |
| 20:13.07 | nevcairiel | haha, in your face US :P |
| 20:13.36 | mikma | surely they are preparing for the release of next mmo-adventure |
| 20:13.45 | mikma | therefore handling the operator-crap to EU |
| 20:14.13 | Fisker- | next mmo isn't out for years |
| 20:14.21 | foxlit | "important" |
| 20:14.24 | foxlit | to whom, I wonder. |
| 20:14.30 | Fisker- | But i have no idea why they want to shift it over to EU |
| 20:14.33 | Dagmar | Or Activision-Blizzard, i.e., Vivendi, decided it was simpler for monetary or political reasons |
| 20:14.33 | Fisker- | Proably vivendi at work |
| 20:14.37 | Fisker- | ^^ |
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| 20:16.51 | mikma | http://useloos.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=5800 |
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| 20:30.49 | Shirik | Fisker-: So delete his section |
| 20:30.54 | Shirik | That violates NPOV |
| 20:31.09 | Shirik | IF someone ELSE believes he belongs there, then someone else can add hium |
| 20:31.10 | Shirik | him |
| 20:31.43 | Shirik | And I'm sure you'd get a kick out of deleting his section |
| 20:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowalert |
| 20:34.28 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:34.43 | foxlit | wonders what Shirik is on about. |
| 20:35.14 | foxlit | is too lazy to scroll up |
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| 20:39.42 | Stew_a | ok if i'm using Tooltip:SetHyperlink(x) to load the ItemInfo for the GetItemInfo func, how can i tell when the info is 'ready'? |
| 20:40.20 | Stew_a | meh irc client keeps dropping the connection every hour >.< |
| 20:40.56 | Thunder_Child | wow..."Blizzard Entertainment S.A.S." i guess they dont just ban your ass there, they come and paradraop onto it |
| 20:41.06 | Thunder_Child | paradrop* |
| 20:41.15 | foxlit | equivalent of "Ltd", or somethign |
| 20:41.25 | Thunder_Child | it's also "Special Air Service" |
| 20:41.42 | foxlit | No, those guys are SAS |
| 20:41.44 | Thunder_Child | britians Special forces |
| 20:41.54 | foxlit | S.A.S. has too many dots :) |
| 20:42.11 | Vonhinten | ok, that's it.. call of duty time |
| 20:42.21 | Cairenn | I'm presuming they are only referring to the EU portion of it? |
| 20:42.24 | Thunder_Child | end of a sentance wast it? |
| 20:42.29 | Thunder_Child | wasnt* |
| 20:42.41 | foxlit | Even then, SAS isn't S.A.S :) |
| 20:42.52 | Thunder_Child | yes, it is an acronym |
| 20:43.25 | foxlit | nevertheless, you wouldn't write S.A.S and mean SAS. Or at least I wouldn't. |
| 20:43.51 | foxlit | (Of course, this is being silly -- the three letters do match, you're right.) |
| 20:44.04 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Cairenn |
| 20:44.23 | Thunder_Child | would be interesting if the US stuff was handled there as well |
| 20:44.24 | Cairenn | the wording is very ambiguous |
| 20:44.54 | Thunder_Child | to make way for needing more space for D3 and SC2. XD |
| 20:47.40 | kmcguire | A table serializer for lua, handles self references at http://pastebin.com/d2607fa0d, the output here http://pastebin.com/d3a43b848. In case any one might need one. |
| 20:49.07 | kmcguire | Might be a little buggy, but oh well.. haha. |
| 20:52.52 | foxlit | You do know the saying that if need more than three levels of indentation, it's time to refactor? |
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| 20:58.35 | foxlit | kmcguire: also, only string/number keys: weak! |
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| 21:07.46 | JackBurton7676 | why would people be screwing up their ratchet faction? |
| 21:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | linked to booty bay |
| 21:08.16 | End | bloodsail rep properly |
| 21:08.19 | End | probably* |
| 21:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
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| 21:21.32 | Stew_a | ok, so if i use tooltip:SetHyperlink to load item info into the game's cache, this is done asynchronously, how can the UI tell when the information is 'ready'? |
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| 21:24.05 | Xinhuan | the gametooltip fires an internal event called OnTooltipSetItem() |
| 21:25.25 | Stew_a | aha thanks |
| 21:28.00 | kmcguire | Dagmar |
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| 21:49.08 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5188521/texas-decides-evolution-needs-more-study-i-decide-i-need-less-texas |
| 21:49.32 | seebs_ | *snerk* |
| 21:50.31 | Corrodias | sigh, i thought they finished with the creationism debate in texas long ago |
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| 22:01.25 | Xinhuan | can someone tell me if its worth reading pages 80-105 of that UI policy thread? |
| 22:01.32 | Xinhuan | i went away a day and it grew |
| 22:01.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you REALLY need to ask? |
| 22:01.46 | seebs_ | Depends on what you value. |
| 22:01.53 | seebs_ | If you love to laugh at stupid people on the internet, it's a goldmine. |
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| 22:15.53 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: it's mostly recycled air at this point |
| 22:16.23 | Xinhuan | no new points i guess, i probably won't read it then |
| 22:16.57 | Cairenn | without some sort of statement from Blizzard, everything's pretty well already been said |
| 22:17.15 | Cairenn | there's not really any new viewpoints or anything to contribute at this point |
| 22:17.17 | Xinhuan | i see new new threads arguing the same thing |
| 22:17.26 | Xinhuan | and i also see carbonite going to be free within the week |
| 22:17.42 | Cairenn | and neither side is going to be able to convince the other side of anything, without the aforementioned Blizz comment |
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| 22:18.19 | Cairenn | honestly, I stopped bothering to really try to read the thread a couple days ago |
| 22:18.33 | Xinhuan | i haven't read it since page 80 or so |
| 22:18.54 | Thunder_Child | meh, i need a Intervalometer for my ipod touch |
| 22:19.12 | Xinhuan | whats a inter-whatever-meter? |
| 22:19.17 | Thunder_Child | s/r f/r program f/ |
| 22:19.48 | Thunder_Child | Xinhuan, it's something you hook to a camera to create time lapse photography |
| 22:19.59 | Thunder_Child | e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Canon-TC80N3-Remote-Control-Cameras/dp/B00009XVA3 |
| 22:20.21 | Xinhuan | how's that related to an ipod |
| 22:20.46 | Thunder_Child | well with the next software release bluetooth is going to be enabled. |
| 22:20.54 | Thunder_Child | cameras have bluttooth suppoer |
| 22:20.57 | Thunder_Child | support* |
| 22:21.00 | Thunder_Child | (well some do) |
| 22:21.04 | Thunder_Child | viola |
| 22:21.46 | seebs_ | I think they just unstuck the big thread. |
| 22:22.42 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 22:23.05 | Xinhuan | at this point, i don't think they intend to make any clarificatins |
| 22:23.26 | seebs_ | Probably not. |
| 22:23.35 | seebs_ | I'm actually half-tempted to write a tutorial addon and try to sell it just to see what happens. |
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| 22:25.32 | Maldivia | seebs: or go make some original art, zip it up and sell it, and include a free wow addon to show it in game :) |
| 22:26.43 | Cairenn | wow, they did unstick it |
| 22:26.55 | Cairenn | wonder why? |
| 22:28.13 | nevcairiel | don't threads have a post limit too? |
| 22:28.34 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15973487822&sid=1 |
| 22:28.40 | Xinhuan | whoa wowmatrix has donation buttons now? |
| 22:29.09 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: they can allow more |
| 22:29.21 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: yeah, like that makes them any better yet? |
| 22:29.59 | Xinhuan | i can't even be arsed downloading it to see if they linked the donation right, or if it sends money to some other place |
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| 22:44.28 | laeg | Nechckn, Zootfizzle: ty. just finished maruadon and some noob in my guild forgot to pick up one of five drops for a trinket reward quest from a boss we killed and because i wouldn't go back with him i was gkicked! |
| 22:45.07 | laeg | the mob he needed was outside the instance and i gave him directions |
| 22:45.19 | Nechckn | damn... that really blows man |
| 22:45.42 | Nechckn | Well.. if you got gkicked after telling them what they needed to do, sounds like a crappy guild to me. |
| 22:47.39 | Aqua | i just got kicked out of a guild for stepping out of an immortal run because i wasn't feeling well |
| 22:50.25 | foxlit | guilds suck, special report at 11 |
| 22:50.59 | krimpsok | People forgot it's just a game... <Goes back to corner> |
| 22:51.18 | Thunder_Child | it's not a game, it's a way of life |
| 22:51.37 | krimpsok | For some it is, for others it's just a way to relax. |
| 22:52.07 | Aqua | i play this game as a way to pass the time |
| 22:52.15 | Aqua | i didn't feel well, i took a nap and got gkicked |
| 22:53.32 | krimpsok | Your guild forgot it's just a game. Meh enough rambling from me. |
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| 22:54.04 | seebs_ | Huh. |
| 22:54.27 | seebs_ | I must have gotten super lucky with guilds. |
| 22:54.47 | seebs_ | ... Although come to think of it, I pretty much only have one or two people in guilds that aren't run by me or a close friend. Hmm. |
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| 22:56.49 | krimpsok | Playing with friends is the most fun imo. Though my friends play more CS:S then WoW.. |
| 22:57.33 | seebs_ | I need to find more people to hang out with, I often really like solo grinding, but I wouldn't mind knowing more people with whom to hang out and play. |
| 22:58.23 | krimpsok | You play on an US realm? |
| 22:58.39 | seebs_ | Yup. |
| 22:59.01 | seebs_ | I have erratic hours, and tend to suddenly disappear from game for a week or five at a time, though, limiting my ability to participate in a lot of traditional guilds. |
| 23:03.15 | krimpsok | Been bored for awhile with my 80 mage, but that's mainly because I haven't done Heroics and the like yet I guess. |
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| 23:09.34 | seebs_ | Yeah, I have one 80, totally ungeared, and a bunch of other toons spread throughout the whole range. I was higher level until some of my friends moved to Horde and I rerolled to hang out with them. Don't have the attention span to try to level all the toons across both factions. |
| 23:10.38 | krimpsok | Well my 80 is decently geared but I just can't bring it up to do heroics. |
| 23:18.20 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* wtf is wrong with this town, there were 5 women going lanudry at the corner laundrymat in *high heels* |
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| 23:18.32 | Thunder_Child | s/going/doing/ |
| 23:18.43 | kmcguire | Hehe, serialize _G[]. |
| 23:19.39 | Aznamir | I wonder, for people using WoWInterface new donation thingie.. what's the donation/download ratio? |
| 23:23.10 | Cairenn | I would imagine still way too early to tell, Aznamir |
| 23:23.49 | Cairenn | donation links on pages have always been allowed if authors wanted, but the overlay only went up last monday, hasn't even been a week |
| 23:24.19 | Aznamir | Yeah, I mean the overlay |
| 23:24.35 | Aznamir | 300 downloads since monday, 0 donations |
| 23:24.53 | nevcairiel | what did you expect? |
| 23:25.22 | Aznamir | Nothing spectacular |
| 23:25.24 | Cairenn | I know some authors have gotten donations for the first time |
| 23:25.34 | Aznamir | just wondering |
| 23:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly, with 300 downloads, I'd have been surprised if you had recieved a donation yet |
| 23:26.01 | Aznamir | 13k+ downloads on curse |
| 23:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Personally I'd love if WoWI paid authors based on addon views, but that is only because I control IllegalAddon ;) |
| 23:26.56 | Thrae | Cairenn: So the changes in donations in the ToS has actually increased donations? |
| 23:27.08 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: That's a silly idea and you're silly for suggesting it. |
| 23:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae: without being her, it is safe to guess 'yes' |
| 23:27.18 | nevcairiel | Thrae: i got 3 in the last week, one in all my time before |
| 23:27.18 | Cairenn | Thrae: no, the donation overlay we instituted on WoWI have helped |
| 23:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae: well that was the point =] |
| 23:27.41 | Thrae | Cairenn: Ahhh. |
| 23:27.53 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21403 |
| 23:27.59 | Cairenn | and on that note, I'm afk for a while |
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| 23:47.53 | kmcguire | I grew up with a lot of free software that too many hours to make. And, all the sudden we have 11 million people seeing a donate button on 75% of the add-ons, rofl. |
| 23:48.19 | kmcguire | Mula motivation. |
| 23:49.25 | kmcguire | As a matter of fact. I am going to put a donate to me label on me bosses door at work. |
| 23:49.37 | kmcguire | See if he wants to actually compensate me for my work. |
| 23:50.19 | zenzelezz | Cairenn may be AFK, but try to be civil |
| 23:51.18 | Thunder_Child | huh zenzelezz? |
| 23:52.21 | kmcguire | He might interpreted me slightly wrong. |
| 23:52.29 | kmcguire | (have) |
| 23:52.34 | Thunder_Child | thats what i'm thinking |
| 23:52.35 | copystring | Thrae, ping |
| 23:52.38 | Aznamir | Lol.. about the time I asked about donations, got 1st one :0 |
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