| 00:00.09 | Dagmar | People have also asked them if using perfume on a male toon during Love Is In The Air makes their toon gay. |
| 00:00.09 | Dagmar | Doesn't mean much. |
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| 00:00.29 | WobWork | Cairenn: Cause we believe in your superpowers =) |
| 00:00.29 | seebs | Cairenn: You posted it. That's the thing -- other announcements have been posted by blues, often enough. |
| 00:00.30 | Shefki | Dagmar: My point is they're unlikely to say anything about this policy at all. |
| 00:00.32 | bleeter | here's the three lines that immediately jump out of the ToS... |
| 00:00.37 | seebs | Them sending it to you and NOT posting it themselves is weird. |
| 00:00.38 | Dagmar | No parades of "We're here, we're queer, stop nerfing us" |
| 00:00.42 | bleeter | you may use the Service solely for your own non-commercial entertainment purposes |
| 00:00.45 | bleeter | You may not use the Service for any other purpose, or in connection with any other software. |
| 00:00.48 | bleeter | without limitation posting commercial solicitations and/or advertisements for goods and services available outside of the World of Warcraft universe |
| 00:00.50 | Cairenn | seebs: I didn't announce it, they did |
| 00:00.55 | Dagmar | heh |
| 00:00.55 | seebs | I'm confused. |
| 00:01.08 | seebs | The only posts I see are yours, sticked in the UI/Macros forum and at wowi. |
| 00:01.11 | seebs | I see nothing from blue. |
| 00:01.21 | seebs | Ahh! I see. |
| 00:01.22 | Shefki | seebs: They posted it on the front page of worldofwarcraft.com |
| 00:01.22 | Cairenn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 00:01.26 | seebs | I didn't follow the links. |
| 00:01.28 | Cairenn | <== #8 |
| 00:01.28 | Shefki | seebs: Which is where Cairenn found it. |
| 00:01.30 | Lopeppeppy | Seebs: It was posted on the main blizzard site. Cairenn just copied it from there to the UI forums because she saw it and did it. |
| 00:01.41 | seebs | Iiiiii get it. |
| 00:01.43 | bleeter | problem is, those clauses were never previously enforced. the policy is clearly just a plain english version of this stuff |
| 00:01.47 | Cairenn | ^^ and wanted to make sure everyone knew about it |
| 00:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | Then someone reported her post to be a sticky because it's necessary info. |
| 00:02.01 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 00:02.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:02.15 | seebs | That said, I am very curious as to whether they would have any way to go after the hypothesized Tutorial Addon. |
| 00:02.17 | Shefki | bleeter: I tend to think the policy goes beyond those clauses with respect to addon distribution. |
| 00:02.17 | bleeter | to my mind, at least, this is why yer not gunna hear back from legal soon, if at all |
| 00:02.18 | seebs | I can't think of one. |
| 00:02.25 | Cairenn | It didn't come from me, I just made sure the word was out, as I /always/ do when it comes to UI stuff |
| 00:02.40 | seebs | Good deal. |
| 00:02.42 | Shefki | bleeter: But I'm sure they don't think that. |
| 00:02.43 | bleeter | Shefki: possibly, I suspect they're attempting to take those clauses to what they beleive to be logical conclusion |
| 00:03.13 | bleeter | Shefki: the point still stands, it's certainly an available interpretation of the EULA/ToS. |
| 00:03.16 | Shefki | I've come to the conclusion with a little help from jnwhiteh that they believe the ToU and EULA already let them do all the stuff in that policy. |
| 00:03.29 | bleeter | yup |
| 00:03.40 | bleeter | they've just been 'nice' in the past about it |
| 00:03.52 | Dagmar | All true as far as I can tell |
| 00:04.08 | WobWork | This is terrible |
| 00:04.15 | bleeter | now, whether the re-iteration in plain english means they're about to crack down on all, or just one or two... is hard to say and nothing will come from legal 'coz they may well be |
| 00:04.17 | WobWork | all this reasoned approach to the whole situation |
| 00:04.23 | Shefki | bleeter: I'd say they're being anything if nice in that post. |
| 00:04.27 | Arrowmaster | where would the ToU/EULA allow them to sue for creating a for pay addon? |
| 00:04.36 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: See the stuff posted above. |
| 00:04.38 | WobWork | it's returning my belief in humanity =( |
| 00:04.39 | bleeter | Shefki: *PAST* not post :P |
| 00:04.42 | Dagmar | It might well mean they're just trying to send a message to Carbonite that goldfarmer ads will absolutely not be okay |
| 00:04.47 | Shefki | bleeter: Ahh ok sorry. |
| 00:04.51 | bleeter | Shefki: hehehe |
| 00:05.05 | Shefki | I think they could have handled this a lot better. |
| 00:05.08 | Lopeppeppy | I like it when people are logical and reasonable, WobWork... I'm such a Peppy! |
| 00:05.19 | bleeter | it's the old 'thermonuclear device to crack a walnut' thing |
| 00:05.19 | Shefki | Dropping a policy with no engagement turned the whole thing hostile quickly. |
| 00:05.22 | WobWork | Need more whine and cheese =P |
| 00:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Shefki, someone will always say that. It's their game, not a democracy, they have no reason to "engage" anyone on their decisions. |
| 00:05.44 | Dagmar | Shefki: I'd say hyper-excitable players have done more to make it appear hostile than the policy clarification did |
| 00:06.08 | Shefki | Lopeppeppy: It's their game and they can ignore us... But we can be pissed off about it and ignore their products. |
| 00:06.12 | DWSR | ^ |
| 00:06.16 | WobWork | Dagmar: Just the ones seeing the millions of potential dollars disappear from their grasp |
| 00:06.18 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: not angering their customers is not enough reason to talk to people first? |
| 00:06.18 | DWSR | Vote with your dollars. |
| 00:06.24 | Shefki | Lopeppeppy: Nobody can force them to engage us... But it's bad PR not to. |
| 00:06.34 | Lopeppeppy | Shefki, yup. Dashkal, nope. |
| 00:06.41 | Dagmar | WobWork: Yep. People turn ugly when there's money involved |
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| 00:06.53 | WobWork | DWSR: We can vote with our dollars |
| 00:06.53 | bleeter | the lack of PR is the bit that stuns me. Blizz seem to have gone out of their way in the past 24 months to be more engaging with their playerbase. |
| 00:06.57 | WobWork | but not many will |
| 00:07.03 | alestane | If your policy legally needs to come out a certain way to protect your interests, why do focus groups on it first? |
| 00:07.05 | bleeter | someone needs to slap legal around to get them to catch up with the rest of the company |
| 00:07.07 | WobWork | WoW is an addiction |
| 00:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | Think about it, Dashkal. People have been engaging THEM for months now over for-pay addons and obfuscation, posting on various forums DEMANDING "blue response" |
| 00:07.09 | Shefki | Lopeppeppy: It's pretty obvious legal did this without talking to the PR people, CM's, or the internal UI devs much if at all. |
| 00:07.17 | Lopeppeppy | How was the community not engaged, when the communit started it? |
| 00:07.34 | Dagmar | Well, "the community" now has their response |
| 00:07.36 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: One faction does not equate to all interested parties |
| 00:07.43 | WobWork | Dagmar: does it ever =) |
| 00:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: totally goes both ways. |
| 00:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | Indeed, Dashkal. Keep that in mind yourself. :) |
| 00:07.52 | Shefki | Lopeppeppy: A small minority of whiners. |
| 00:08.10 | Dashkal | Heh, my mind was made up about Blizzard the company when they killed bnetd |
| 00:08.12 | Shefki | Lopeppeppy: Compare the post counts on the Carbonite ads/for sale threads to the policy post counts. |
| 00:08.27 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Come now. That had to be done |
| 00:08.31 | Lopeppeppy | Shefki, so what? Flame wars are popular, that doesn't necessarily make it great reading. |
| 00:08.38 | alestane | Dashkal: They really couldn't let bnetd slide. |
| 00:08.47 | alestane | It would have put them in a legally untenable position. |
| 00:08.50 | bleeter | just as much as they couldn't let carbonite slide |
| 00:09.00 | Dagmar | There wasn't any feasible way bnet could have kept pirated copies from being used |
| 00:09.06 | bleeter | or peons 4 hire.. or glider.. or... |
| 00:09.10 | Shefki | Dashkal: That situation gave them a bad rep and I resisted playing WoW as a result. |
| 00:09.13 | Dashkal | I stand by my statement. I've hated blizzard (the company, not the products) ever since they started using copyright law to enforce lack of cheating. |
| 00:09.28 | Shefki | Dashkal: The Glider thing made me wonder if they weren't still the company I thought they might be. |
| 00:09.32 | WobWork | SusanExpress! |
| 00:09.37 | bleeter | I'm fairly fond of most of BLizzard's code.. the company sucks arse though |
| 00:09.39 | Shefki | This situation has made me positive I really want nothing to do with them in the future. |
| 00:09.57 | Shefki | I might still play their games. |
| 00:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | That's always your choice to make. |
| 00:10.08 | Shefki | But I'm not going to help them in anyway. |
| 00:10.13 | Dashkal | Same deal |
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| 00:10.35 | Shefki | Incidentally, good will has value. |
| 00:10.48 | bleeter | I've stopped doing Bug Reports and Suggestion posts |
| 00:11.01 | bleeter | and helping people on Customer Service Forum when Blizz have no rostered staff on |
| 00:11.22 | bleeter | fuckem if they want my time for free, sick and tired of Obvious Bug Is Obvious and Obvious Suggestion Is Obvious |
| 00:11.48 | bleeter | and the whole attitude to Oceania still sucks arse too |
| 00:11.53 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 00:11.53 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 00:11.58 | Shefki | bleeter: What's the deal with that? |
| 00:12.18 | bleeter | Shefki: deal with what? |
| 00:12.26 | Shefki | "atttitude to Oceania" |
| 00:12.27 | Dagmar | He wants Blizzard to have to fly people to Australia and back on a regular basis |
| 00:12.34 | Dagmar | Nevermind that Australia just banned them by accident |
| 00:12.44 | WobWork | in other completely unrelated news: http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x8h2bo <-- The numa guy is apparently doing Geico ads |
| 00:12.54 | bleeter | Dagmar: way to put words in my mouth that I've never said :/ |
| 00:13.12 | WobWork | Blizzard have never been at war with Oceania |
| 00:13.16 | Dagmar | bleeter: Dude, half my guild is in AU. I know about the latency and whatnot |
| 00:13.25 | WobWork | We just want our own servers =( |
| 00:13.27 | bleeter | visitor, AFK... |
| 00:13.31 | Dagmar | God I used to work for a company that ran pipes to there |
| 00:13.51 | Shefki | The pipes are clogged. |
| 00:13.53 | bleeter | Dagmar: there are LA CMs.. where the hell is the Oceanic CM. You know the only thing a blue has said to Oceanic customers in the past 18 months????? |
| 00:13.57 | bleeter | 'FIRST' |
| 00:13.58 | bleeter | fuck that for a joke |
| 00:14.14 | WobWork | we have an oceanic forum? |
| 00:14.17 | WobWork | woah |
| 00:14.17 | bleeter | call that community management? |
| 00:14.18 | bleeter | i dont |
| 00:14.19 | bleeter | afk |
| 00:14.48 | Shefki | I'll admit Blizzard is more engaged with their community than a lot of companies though. |
| 00:15.04 | Dashkal | Shefki: Agreed. |
| 00:15.08 | Dashkal | Ghostcrawler |
| 00:15.25 | Thunder_Child | Shefki, i disagree |
| 00:15.32 | Lopeppeppy | I admire poor Ghostcrawler, I really do. |
| 00:15.38 | Thunder_Child | when you take into account a number of factors |
| 00:16.19 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, fatal last words. |
| 00:16.22 | Shefki | I played FFXI before this. |
| 00:16.34 | Shefki | All we ever got was marketing materials. |
| 00:16.48 | Dagmar | You were lucky. |
| 00:16.53 | Dagmar | Sony used to ship out beatings |
| 00:16.59 | Shefki | Once a year they trotted devs out to a fan fest. |
| 00:17.11 | Shefki | Where the devs had specific answers they were allowed to give. |
| 00:17.27 | WobWork | "Whatever you do... DON'T MENTION THE WAR!" |
| 00:17.27 | Shefki | Fans would ask questions, if they happened to ask a question they could answer we got the answer. |
| 00:17.29 | Dagmar | "Yes, we've assigned some people to class balance. No you can't ask them questions. No we're not telling you who they are." |
| 00:17.31 | Shefki | If not tough. |
| 00:17.47 | Dagmar | "Screw all you guys, we're closing the forums" |
| 00:18.02 | Shefki | Dagmar: There weren't even official forums for FFXI. |
| 00:18.18 | Dagmar | I think they just didn't want to hear from roundeyes |
| 00:18.30 | Shefki | I suspect it was largely a language issue. |
| 00:18.36 | Shefki | Most of the devs spoke horrible English. |
| 00:18.46 | Thunder_Child | so do most of the people that play wow |
| 00:19.00 | Shefki | touche |
| 00:19.06 | Dagmar | Speaking of horrible English, at least Blizzard's clearly not in bed with organized crime. |
| 00:19.21 | Shefki | Umm what? |
| 00:19.39 | WobWork | Interesting and all... but what does organised crime have to do with horrible english? |
| 00:20.02 | Dagmar | Just commenting on the number of games that have had NA releases which were suspiciously behind their native country's release with respect to exploitable-for-gold bugs |
| 00:20.18 | Dagmar | Lineage2 comes to mind |
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| 00:27.50 | Thunder_Child | do you get "[05:23] You are now saved to this instance" if you simply walk into a heroic? |
| 00:28.05 | kd3 | to one you're saved to? yup |
| 00:28.14 | kd3 | s/saved to/where a boss is a dead/ |
| 00:28.14 | Thunder_Child | if it's a fresh one |
| 00:28.28 | Thunder_Child | hmm....i may have to beat the crap out of someone |
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| 00:40.17 | Thunder_Child | kd3, seems you get that if you attempt the first boss as well |
| 00:40.30 | kd3 | depends on the instance |
| 00:40.39 | Thunder_Child | vh |
| 00:40.57 | Sixen | Forums just dieD? |
| 00:41.07 | Lopeppeppy | They do that. Dumb forums. |
| 00:41.07 | WobWork | http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc357.html ... wut? |
| 00:41.14 | Sixen | Peppy, I think I know the problem. |
| 00:41.22 | Sixen | With the posting characters, I mean. |
| 00:41.38 | Sixen | I posted what I thought was the issue, but TWulf refuses to humor me. |
| 00:41.59 | Sixen | When the forums are undead (no pun), login to the Armory and set the character you want to login with normally as your "Main" on the armory. |
| 00:42.04 | Sixen | That should resolve the issue. |
| 00:42.08 | Lopeppeppy | Working theory is that it has to do with merged accounts... |
| 00:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | How does one set a "main" on the Armory? I've never heard of such a thing. |
| 00:42.34 | Sixen | wowarmory.com, just trust me, ;). |
| 00:42.43 | Thunder_Child | i dont understand why autobar simply doesnt passthrough the tooltip |
| 00:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | No, seriously, how does one set a "main" there? I've never heard of that. |
| 00:43.24 | Sixen | Oh, go to wowarmory.com, login, and click "Set Character" |
| 00:43.54 | Sixen | I'll brb. |
| 00:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | "This account has no characters" |
| 00:44.17 | Sixen | o_O |
| 00:44.21 | Sixen | Hang on, brb. |
| 00:44.22 | kd3 | broken armory is broken |
| 00:44.28 | Sixen | yeah, it's all down atm. |
| 00:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | OH, maybe I have to wait until it's happer then. |
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| 00:44.33 | Sixen | forums are still messed up. |
| 00:45.00 | bleeter | you'd think by now that Blizz would have a clone of their Live system for testing shit out on before releasing it >< |
| 00:45.16 | Lopeppeppy | No matter how much testing, there's always something that fraks up. |
| 00:45.22 | Shefki | bleeter: They have a clone of you for testing stuff. |
| 00:45.31 | Shefki | bleeter: Your clone said you'd approve the UI policy. |
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| 00:46.17 | bleeter | never |
| 00:46.40 | WobWork | oh I thought Blizzard was saying your account was boring |
| 00:46.52 | WobWork | but it's character-s- |
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| 00:49.53 | kd3 | Last Updated: January 1, 0095 |
| 00:49.54 | kd3 | har |
| 00:50.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yark. |
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| 00:58.07 | Sixen | back |
| 00:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | I'll try it next time the armory comes up. |
| 00:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | But I clear my cache and cookies daily, it won't stick, will it? |
| 00:59.00 | Sixen | It should be up now. |
| 00:59.14 | Sixen | It should stick, yes, it's on their database. |
| 01:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | I did that, I'll have to wait to find out if it worked or not. |
| 01:02.21 | WobWork | hm, what's the cooldown on swiftmend? |
| 01:05.55 | Jamash | 15s |
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| 01:12.31 | Sixen | Brb again. |
| 01:13.47 | Cairenn | New way for authors to show donation requests on WoWI, in addition to what was there previously: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21403 |
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| 01:14.48 | bleeter | Cairenn: what? donate to clad and tek? GET REAL! :P |
| 01:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Cairenn! And to Dolby and Seerah and Shirik and whomever else worked to do that. |
| 01:14.56 | bleeter | yes, thankyou WoWI :D |
| 01:15.01 | Seerah | :) |
| 01:15.01 | Tekkub | GIEV ME MONIE |
| 01:15.15 | Tekkub | LIEK NAOU |
| 01:15.52 | Seerah | looks like I'm the most generous one :P |
| 01:16.02 | Sixen | Very cool, =). |
| 01:16.05 | bleeter | bah |
| 01:16.08 | Sixen | Brb again^2. |
| 01:16.14 | bleeter | DCC can't open file /home/bleeter/.irssi/dcc/MONIE: No such file or directory |
| 01:16.19 | bleeter | Tekkub: ^^ |
| 01:16.21 | bleeter | soz mate :( |
| 01:16.40 | Tekkub | soz? |
| 01:16.41 | Cairenn | I just edited it to point out that we will also be coming up with a way to have donation links show for authors on our new updater as well |
| 01:16.51 | Tekkub | I want money not saws |
| 01:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Also made of excellent |
| 01:17.00 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.09 | Tekkub | you fail! |
| 01:17.13 | bleeter | NO U |
| 01:17.17 | Tekkub | you tried to DCC me a virus first |
| 01:17.39 | bleeter | you wish |
| 01:17.48 | bleeter | anyhting to brighten up the day ;) :P |
| 01:20.10 | Tekkub | god damnit Dolby |
| 01:20.11 | Tekkub | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3383168311_b156fd1127.jpg?v=0 |
| 01:20.36 | Dolby | um you wana say that nicer Tekkub ? |
| 01:20.48 | Tekkub | god fucking damnit |
| 01:21.03 | Dolby | what browser are you using? |
| 01:21.10 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub, breathe. |
| 01:21.11 | Tekkub | <img src="http://s.wowinterface.com/images/style_mmoi_wowi2/layout/clear.gif" |
| 01:21.13 | Tekkub | Chrome |
| 01:21.34 | WobWork | Do not taunt Happy Fun Admin |
| 01:21.37 | Dolby | hmmm works for me in chrome |
| 01:22.02 | Tekkub | second try I get a broken image, hrm |
| 01:22.04 | Dolby | well gonna just replace it with a static button for now i guess |
| 01:22.17 | Dolby | cant get the js to insert the image id |
| 01:22.20 | Tekkub | you testing with a pledgie one or paypal? |
| 01:22.21 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=8633 |
| 01:22.22 | bleeter | wait |
| 01:22.33 | bleeter | chrome passes all acid tests and stuff? |
| 01:22.38 | bleeter | when did this happen? rawr :P |
| 01:23.12 | Tekkub | you using the bagde form pledgie? |
| 01:23.18 | [draco] | chrome is pretty cool... if only it wouldn't send like all my data to google |
| 01:23.22 | WobWork | Tekkub: hm, where's the donate button supposed to be there? |
| 01:23.39 | [draco] | once they completed the addon support they're working on... |
| 01:23.46 | Tekkub | the pledgie badge I assume.. http://www.pledgie.com/campaigns/762.png?skin_name=chrome |
| 01:23.58 | Tekkub | change the number for the ID |
| 01:24.21 | bleeter | 12:21 DCC aborted sending file MONIE for tekkub |
| 01:24.27 | bleeter | Tekkub: ^^ sux to be you :P |
| 01:24.42 | bleeter | mind you, it was only 0 byte file ;) |
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| 01:27.00 | Tekkub | hey Dolby, you know the pledgie ID when the page is rendred, why not just make the link and img at render time? |
| 01:27.26 | Tekkub | I assume you're trying to do javascript majicks since <a href="" |
| 01:37.58 | Thunder_Child | "canadians are EH' HOLES" |
| 01:38.46 | WobWork | hm |
| 01:38.53 | flugh | that's not very nice |
| 01:38.54 | WobWork | they're going to have to add a wading pool to Krasus' Landing |
| 01:38.58 | flugh | making me laugh out loud like that |
| 01:39.08 | WobWork | so people can sit on their watermounts =P |
| 01:39.09 | Thunder_Child | damn right i'm not nice |
| 01:42.13 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: thats what the fountain is for |
| 01:42.36 | WobWork | a bit crowded =( |
| 01:42.36 | Anaralx2 | and the mote around infront of VH |
| 01:42.56 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrCb_fNmSTA |
| 01:42.59 | WobWork | but but, you're supposed to show off your mounts on Krasus' Landing! |
| 01:43.00 | Thunder_Child | more rube goldberg |
| 01:44.03 | MentalPower | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/25/monec_patent_suit/ <--- Are you serious????? |
| 01:44.31 | Thunder_Child | thats an AWESOME patent |
| 01:46.26 | bleeter | WobWork: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/23/449 WOOHOO!! |
| 01:46.36 | bleeter | I was there.. yes, Linus did seem rather drunk ;) |
| 01:46.53 | bleeter | was more amusing watching the consortium of redhat and collabora staff bid against each other >< |
| 01:47.30 | WobWork | drama is always amusing |
| 01:47.52 | bleeter | we were raising $$ for the devil, I don't think anyone really cared |
| 01:47.58 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: If you're a lawyer maybe |
| 01:48.20 | bleeter | the dude who invented mysql didn't seem to care when we converted his $4k AUD donation into a $4K EU donation =)) |
| 01:48.22 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: If you're an inventor, it's "SOMEONE NEEDS A BEATIN'" material |
| 01:49.07 | Arrowmaster | the logo was changed? |
| 01:49.08 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 01:49.19 | WobWork | bleeter: crazy =P |
| 01:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Temporary |
| 01:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Also if you read the second line of that link, heh |
| 01:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The most obvious change is the (temporary) change of logo to Tuz, the |
| 01:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Tasmanian Devil |
| 01:49.47 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, that was sarcasm |
| 01:49.51 | Dagmar | Linus has decided to troll OSNews instead of it always being the other way around. |
| 01:49.58 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: linux.conf.au fundraiser dinner, to support research into the tassie devil facial tumor clone disease thing |
| 01:50.04 | WobWork | Antiarc: Going to stop coding Omen due to the debacle? |
| 01:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: he stopped working on Omen quite a long time ago |
| 01:50.37 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: from memory... the pledge was $5k if Linus were to shave B'dale Garbee's beard... and Rusty offered to label a kernel too.. or something |
| 01:50.59 | Thunder_Child | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000V3JGI8/ref=asc_df_B000V3JGI8745561?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealt82236dealt&linkCode=asn |
| 01:51.01 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: there was a LOT of red wine going around.. it kinda got a bit blurry.. see above comments about redhat/collabora consortium bidding against itself |
| 01:51.05 | Dagmar | bleeter: That's a dangerous thing to ask |
| 01:51.18 | bleeter | still, we raised more $$ in about 30mins than Warner Brothers had ever given to the research |
| 01:51.23 | Dagmar | Old coders keep their power in their beards. |
| 01:51.23 | bleeter | something like AUD$40k |
| 01:51.43 | Dagmar | ...and maybe a small family of birds. |
| 01:51.53 | Arrowmaster | i know linus already shaved off somebody elses beard before |
| 01:52.31 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: rusty actually put the logo and code changes in that night, so it was ready the following morning for when b'dale got the shave and for the assembled media etc. |
| 01:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:53.16 | Dagmar | SO I wonder how long it'll be before someone posts to Incidents saying they think they've been hax0red because their boot logo changed |
| 01:53.33 | bleeter | seem to recall that 'we' all reached the conclusion that the only thing that could top our fundraising efforts would be linus giving rusty a full body wax >< |
| 01:53.43 | bleeter | which rusty declined and linus was strangely silent on |
| 01:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably quite some time, because the only people running .29 would be devs or people who roll their own |
| 01:53.52 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 01:54.21 | WobWork | bleeter: that's all kinds of creepy =P |
| 01:54.27 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: You forget about Gentoo users |
| 01:54.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: s/users/tards/ |
| 01:54.46 | Dagmar | Touche |
| 01:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And I say that as someone who just recently stopped using gentoo after 6 straight years |
| 01:55.06 | bleeter | s/tard/ricer/ |
| 01:55.24 | WobWork | OS ricers? =P |
| 01:55.25 | bleeter | oO what happened, ScytheBlade1 ? |
| 01:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | it is a terrible, terrible distro? |
| 01:55.37 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* Night night! |
| 01:55.40 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 01:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cya Peppey |
| 01:55.43 | bleeter | gnight Lopeppeppy sweet dreams |
| 01:55.45 | Dagmar | It's a perfectly fine distro |
| 01:55.45 | WobWork | he found a cream that cleared it right up? |
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| 01:56.04 | Dagmar | THe users however, should probably have their root passwords taken away |
| 01:56.15 | bleeter | s/root passwords/brains/ |
| 01:56.34 | Dagmar | bleeter: Insurance won't cover an elective surgery like that |
| 01:56.41 | flugh | i'm sorry, i am stuck in a truck all day. what's with the logo and Linus and all? |
| 01:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I have my qualms about every single distro |
| 01:56.45 | Dagmar | Not until the brain goes septic like an appendix |
| 01:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And with that, I will add, gentoo is in fact terrible |
| 01:56.59 | seebs | I have occasionally suggested that gentoo should be a "supported distribution" at $dayjob. |
| 01:57.01 | Dagmar | flugh: It's part of a fundraising thing |
| 01:57.04 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5181840/onlive-streaming-games-turn-any-tv-or-pc-into-a-bleeding+edge-gaming-machine |
| 01:57.50 | bleeter | flugh: fundraising to research a facial tumor disease, that's actually a virus that clones itself... |
| 01:58.04 | WobWork | oh, for tassie devils? |
| 01:58.08 | WobWork | that's very cool |
| 01:58.33 | bleeter | WobWork: Tuz was the mascot for linux.conf.au '09 in Tasmania |
| 01:58.58 | bleeter | WobWork: 1/2 the price of the sale of each plush mascot went to the devil foundation too.. and a bunch of other crap we had on sale |
| 01:59.04 | WobWork | I donated to taht cause at Taronga Zoo |
| 01:59.09 | bleeter | http://linux.conf.au/images/tuz.png |
| 01:59.17 | bleeter | WobWork: onya :) |
| 01:59.21 | WobWork | win! |
| 01:59.30 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 01:59.30 | bleeter | Taronga or UTas are the 'official' donor places |
| 02:00.03 | WobWork | poor buggers =( |
| 02:00.04 | bleeter | anyways, here's why I don't like gentoo... 5 years of this kinda crap in #pidgin |
| 02:00.08 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/why_i_dont_think_much_of_gentoo_users.txt |
| 02:02.01 | Lukian | lmao |
| 02:02.04 | bleeter | WobWork: I think it was one of the redhat guys who said, during the fundraising 'hang on, you mean we're raising money so some horny old north-west coast devil can go on a sex tour of the Tasman Peninsula?? COUNT ME IN FOR ANOTHER THOUSAND' |
| 02:02.04 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 02:02.07 | Lukian | that's pretty epic |
| 02:02.13 | seebs | Wow. |
| 02:02.29 | seebs | http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 02:03.26 | bleeter | Gentoo is like Ireland. You think it's all stereotyping, until you're actually face to face with it on a daily bases >< |
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| 02:03.31 | bleeter | *basis |
| 02:03.59 | WobWork | to be sure, to be sure =P |
| 02:04.08 | seebs | I actually tried to use gentoo as my wow box for a while. |
| 02:04.17 | seebs | I thought "hey, that'd be sorta fun, and I like messing with computers". |
| 02:04.24 | seebs | Conclusion: I don't like it that much. |
| 02:04.52 | seebs | Now that $dayjob is linux, I get about enough messing-with-Linux to keep me happy anyway. |
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| 02:10.07 | ScytheBlade1 | CONFIG_LOGO=n |
| 02:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I knew I had awesome defaults |
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| 02:11.53 | DWSR | seebs: Is performance on Wine comparable to Windows? I thought OpenGL was a shitload slower. |
| 02:12.07 | seebs | For me, currently, it's faster. |
| 02:12.28 | seebs | I switched because one of my boxes had the trait that Windows took about 5 seconds to resync the monitor switching from WoW to desktop, and Linux didn't. |
| 02:13.00 | seebs | At the time, it was absolutely slower -- but somewhere in the last year or so they fixed the GL_vertex_buffer_arb or something extension, and now it seems to be pretty comparable. |
| 02:13.26 | seebs | The thing is, I lost a smallish amount of frame rate on average, and got in exchange a huge boost in general system performance. |
| 02:13.49 | seebs | When I was playing on Windows, I would have a few times a day when the game turned into a slide show because something tried to draw a window on the desktop or something. |
| 02:13.50 | Lukian | Yup, I mostly use Linux for the superior multitasking too :) |
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| 02:14.31 | seebs | On my Linux box, everything's a LOT faster. Also, I can log in from another machine to edit addons and just /reloadui a lot without actually exiting WoW or switching displays. ;) |
| 02:15.10 | seebs | I suspect it'd be faster native, but I'm not sure how much. I am planning to reload using crossover games in the next few days just to see how that works. |
| 02:15.36 | seebs | Rumor is that they have some decent performance tweaks. |
| 02:16.15 | seebs | In any event, a lot of it was just being sick of maintenance and all the associated hassles. My WoW Windows box had to run two anti-spyware programs and an antivirus program and a firewall. |
| 02:16.42 | seebs | My WoW Linux box is adequately secure against incoming packets from the start, and is largely immune to most of the attacks. |
| 02:17.03 | Lukian | as is any good adsl router :p |
| 02:17.34 | bleeter | Lukian: which is useless if you're on a LAN at a college, or similar :P |
| 02:18.05 | seebs | I don't actually trust the router. I mean, it's probably fine, but... I don't have the code to it, and I'm too lazy to roll my own or reload with a Linux flash. |
| 02:18.16 | bleeter | ^^ too |
| 02:18.24 | seebs | Belkin used to have a hardware firewall which could be reconfigured by remote packets. |
| 02:18.34 | Lukian | bleeter, very good point :p |
| 02:19.46 | seebs | The other nice thing was switching to an SSD. |
| 02:20.03 | seebs | Turns out WoW isn't all that big, and is hugely dependent on random read performance. |
| 02:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | seebs: if you use the linux box often, install preload. It watches your HD activity over time, and keeps often accessed files properly cached. |
| 02:21.42 | Shefki | seebs: Especially in town. |
| 02:22.50 | seebs | Might look at that. Mostly, I've left it turned off except when I plan to play. |
| 02:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it may not do too terribly much |
| 02:23.26 | seebs | I'm trying to conserve power better. Same reason I went to a laptop as my primary computer. |
| 02:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Another good one is readahead, which can profile your computer boot |
| 02:23.50 | seebs | Yup. But that is unlikely to matter as much on an SSD. :) |
| 02:24.06 | seebs | Anyway, I gotta try to sleep off this !#@# cold. Have fun, folks! |
| 02:24.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Then on successive boots, it starts a process which keeps your HD at 100%, caching boot programs into RAM, long outstripping the actual boot I/O needs |
| 02:25.03 | seebs | I have a very, very, stripped down boot already. |
| 02:25.05 | bleeter | all that stuff's ugly as hell, tbh |
| 02:25.12 | seebs | $dayjob is embedded Linux. |
| 02:25.25 | seebs | So I thought it'd be fun to start with a regular distro and strip out a ton of stuff I wasn't using, see. :) |
| 02:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:25.33 | bleeter | readahead's a nasty hack for the crap that is init |
| 02:25.35 | Lukian | ScytheBlade1, nice, ty :) |
| 02:25.43 | Dagmar | THere's plenty of reasons to kill off the things you don't need/use. |
| 02:25.45 | seebs | Like gentoo, only I'm not crazy enough to sit around trying to rebuild packages all the time. |
| 02:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: be that as it may, there are advantages to having it load my MySQL databases while it waits on $randomProcess |
| 02:26.05 | bleeter | init was fine in the 70's, looking risky in the 80's.. a bit crazy in the 90's.. and just downright stupid these days |
| 02:26.11 | seebs | I actually might bother to compile wine from source, just because it's a HUGE chunk of CPU time. |
| 02:26.17 | seebs | I am not an init fan. |
| 02:26.30 | seebs | I like launchd, and I like NetBSD's rc.d mechanism. The others annoy me. |
| 02:26.33 | bleeter | a decent replacement is tough, though |
| 02:26.49 | bleeter | which is why it's been in the 'too hard' basket since the mid 70's hahaha |
| 02:27.15 | seebs | Pretty much, yeah. |
| 02:27.29 | seebs | I think the guy who invented launchd is probably right on principle, but the cost of conversion is pretty huge. |
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| 02:29.29 | bleeter | yup, there's the rub. legacy. |
| 02:35.41 | bleeter | bah, forums keep logging me out |
| 02:35.44 | bleeter | or I've been banned |
| 02:36.17 | Kraft | new forum adds are annoying :( |
| 02:37.27 | Tekkub | I want an option to dismiss the "dismiss these notices" links |
| 02:37.43 | Kraft | maybe i could set up some kind of subscription to the game so i dont have to see adds when browsing the forums |
| 02:37.44 | Kraft | oh wait |
| 02:38.14 | Cairenn | Tekkub: :p |
| 02:38.24 | bleeter | Dolby: I want an option so I can select 'Disable on WoWInterface' for Adblock plus, and still see the ads without having to also enable NoScript for GoogleAdservices/Quantserv et al ;) |
| 02:38.44 | bleeter | Dolby: aka, so it's a lot easier for me to enable adverts on WoWi 'coz you guys support supporting etc. etc. |
| 02:39.09 | Cairenn | we've always supported supporting ;) |
| 02:39.39 | bleeter | yar I know, just bloody annoying to suport the support of the supporting when the FF addons I use don't support supporting the supp.. erm.. ah |
| 02:39.43 | bleeter | ;) |
| 02:40.06 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 02:40.08 | bleeter | I do try to remember to turn it all on when I come visit, but I think it's more frequent that I don't bother/forget |
| 02:41.02 | bleeter | not a big annoyance for me, soz if I sounded grumpy 'bout it... jsut a passing observation was all |
| 02:42.23 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:44.34 | Tekkub | I don't support supporting except for cases of structural |
| 02:49.34 | bleeter | Cairenn: hang on.. where did you originally spot the new UI policy link from? if I go to worldofwarcraft.com/policy, it redirects to http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20309 which doesn't mention the UI policy *at all* |
| 02:49.51 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: wow.com, check the news |
| 02:50.19 | Cairenn | (2009-03-24 20:01:21) Cairenn: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 02:50.20 | Cairenn | (2009-03-24 20:01:27) Cairenn: <== #8 |
| 02:50.49 | bleeter | yeah, my point being that 'normally' we're expected to follow /policy. I've been harsh on blizz in the past 'coz they never tell customers when a policy changes |
| 02:51.03 | bleeter | in THIS case, the only way one would know of a new policy, is by following News? *WTF*? |
| 02:51.04 | Cairenn | ah |
| 02:51.15 | bleeter | it's not linked from the game policy documents |
| 02:51.27 | Cairenn | well, they may just not have put it there, yet |
| 02:51.51 | bleeter | which gets back to the whole thing of having to read every single published policy and do a diff yourself |
| 02:51.56 | Cairenn | nod |
| 02:51.59 | bleeter | NOW we also have to follow every News article too |
| 02:52.25 | bleeter | this is starting to sound to me like there are onerous requirements on the end user, that person who's agreed to EULA/ToS, to actually keep within the EULA/ToS |
| 02:52.49 | Cairenn | or, someone could just remind them that they need to put it up on that page, too ;) |
| 02:53.00 | bleeter | what, do their work for them? |
| 02:53.24 | Cairenn | O.O |
| 02:53.25 | WobWork | wouldn't changing the EULA/TOS require every user to click 'OK' on the new terms or not be held accountable? |
| 02:53.32 | Cairenn | this person has GOT to be joking! |
| 02:53.51 | Tekkub | fuck clicking |
| 02:53.58 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864310120&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 02:54.03 | Cairenn | #23 |
| 02:54.14 | Tekkub | fuck scrolling too |
| 02:54.30 | bleeter | Cairenn: oh, Mr. 'Please disclose Author Donations'.. I think so. |
| 02:55.05 | Tekkub | disclose? use pledgie :P |
| 02:55.13 | Tekkub | it'll tell people how much has been donated |
| 02:55.17 | bleeter | Cairenn: seems to do nothing else than cause distruption. I dun understand how he's still got posting privs |
| 02:55.28 | Cairenn | "anywho, i suggest a boycott of wow interface for their intrusive ads. " |
| 02:55.36 | Cairenn | errr, sorry for the white space |
| 02:55.38 | Tekkub | yea ads suck |
| 02:55.57 | bleeter | Tekkub: yar, but insisting WoWI should force that disclosure on all authors who seek donations is just crack |
| 02:56.03 | Tekkub | good thing he had a fresh DK to post as AND point it out |
| 02:56.16 | Tekkub | we wouldn't want everyone to know bleeter was trolling |
| 02:56.25 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 02:56.32 | Tekkub | yes, crack, we all like crack here |
| 02:56.38 | Tekkub | be it for licking or snorting |
| 02:56.51 | bleeter | or.. |
| 02:57.10 | Tekkub | or what? what else would you do? perv |
| 02:59.17 | bleeter | cog|away: 'go to your room!' :'( |
| 02:59.21 | bleeter | cog|away: :P |
| 02:59.26 | cog|away | :P |
| 02:59.30 | Thunder_Child | "[07:58] [3] <15:Krystali>: any malygos runs going need some dps?" |
| 02:59.43 | Thunder_Child | i hope thats an alt |
| 02:59.54 | Tekkub | picky bitch |
| 03:00.22 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, if you werent such and ass i would think you were trying to be an ass |
| 03:00.24 | bleeter | I got a request earlier if I knew Maly, I replied that I knew it would be easier in 3.1 thus cbf at the moment... they seemed all confused :( |
| 03:00.27 | Thunder_Child | s/and/an/ |
| 03:00.39 | Tekkub | but you know I don't have to try |
| 03:00.46 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 03:00.47 | Tekkub | my ass just comes naturally |
| 03:01.10 | Thunder_Child | thats...really...disgusting |
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| 03:01.22 | Tekkub | you brought it on yourself |
| 03:01.22 | bleeter | most donkies do |
| 03:01.34 | Thunder_Child | not that last comment |
| 03:01.41 | Tekkub | offer up a challenge to me, you're not allowed to bitch at the results |
| 03:02.43 | Thunder_Child | i can bitch at anything i want |
| 03:02.59 | WobWork | hm, the Bangthingie addon had a "whisper the author" thing in the code, didn't it? |
| 03:03.09 | WobWork | Bangcraft? |
| 03:03.32 | Tekkub | ButtBang |
| 03:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 03:03.46 | Tekkub | I need a name for my attack tables addon so I can actually release it |
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| 03:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that WoWI *can't* even keep track of donations currently |
| 03:04.09 | WobWork | Tekkub: what's it do? |
| 03:04.13 | MentalPower | they cannot |
| 03:04.14 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub,...^^ |
| 03:04.22 | Tekkub | if you want to track, use pledgie, if you don't, use paypal directly |
| 03:04.27 | Tekkub | it's that simple :P |
| 03:04.52 | WobWork | WOWI cannot unless they alone are the ones processing the donations, which they aren't. |
| 03:05.04 | WobWork | they're simply providing the link visibilty |
| 03:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Or they were a proxy |
| 03:05.13 | Thunder_Child | paypal doesnt have an option to do what you are refering to |
| 03:05.18 | Thunder_Child | i know, i have checked |
| 03:05.23 | Kyahx | How intrusive are the links? -- is there an example? |
| 03:06.16 | Kyahx | is it something you have to click through to get your download, or just a "by the way" kind of popup |
| 03:06.35 | WobWork | I think it's just a link on the description page, no? |
| 03:07.37 | WobWork | it's bbcode, so it's just a reference |
| 03:07.43 | Kyahx | n/m -- there is a screenshot in the news post about it :P |
| 03:07.58 | Kyahx | bah, you can even disable them for your account if you really care? What do people have to bitch about?! |
| 03:08.10 | WobWork | oh my mistake |
| 03:08.20 | MentalPower | Kyahx: since when do people need a reason to bitch about something |
| 03:08.31 | Kyahx | touché |
| 03:08.52 | WobWork | ... I actually clicked on the 'X' on that donate popup image |
| 03:09.04 | WobWork | in the hopes it'd close the tab =P |
| 03:09.11 | Kyahx | you are winrar |
| 03:11.16 | Kyahx | <off-topic spam> MacHeist.com bundle is live and gives you an option which charity to donate too (if you buy it). My girlfriend works at the humane society and wants everyone to choose them, kthx :P </spam> |
| 03:12.05 | mikma | post naked pics of your girlfriend or no deal. |
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| 03:12.15 | Kyahx | :( |
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| 03:12.45 | mikma | or, your naked pics for tekkub |
| 03:13.07 | Kyahx | Im fairly certain no one would want to see those |
| 03:13.33 | Thunder_Child | why cant i fly to WG if i have "discovered" the FP? |
| 03:14.02 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: coz WG is a bugged heap of shit |
| 03:14.08 | bleeter | at a rough guess |
| 03:14.24 | Thunder_Child | cant really argue that one |
| 03:14.48 | Thunder_Child | however i can point out that you are rather biased against wow atm |
| 03:14.52 | bleeter | reminds me.. any WG changes in the new patch notes? |
| 03:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it is intended to be a path /out/, not a point /in/ |
| 03:15.23 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I thought the path out was the minimap 'Leave WG' thing? |
| 03:15.30 | mikma | no, i've used it to get in if portal ain't up |
| 03:21.48 | Codayus | I believe you can fly to WG only if the portal is supposed to be up. |
| 03:22.01 | Codayus | Or rather, only during battles. |
| 03:22.33 | bleeter | WG is a bugged heap of shit |
| 03:22.50 | bleeter | I've barely seen anything consistent in it |
| 03:22.59 | bleeter | barely ever had a non-exploited game |
| 03:23.04 | Dagmar | Just think of it as "David Lynch's Wintergrasp" and you'll be fine |
| 03:23.15 | bleeter | BABY WANTS TO FUCK |
| 03:23.37 | bleeter | yar I see how that works |
| 03:24.23 | WobWork | I've never been able to fly out of WG |
| 03:24.29 | WobWork | it keeps telling me I'm in combat =( |
| 03:26.02 | bleeter | I just use the thing from the minimap |
| 03:26.18 | bleeter | might've flown out once.. to the basin |
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| 03:52.42 | DWSR | bleeter: Yeah, the portal's not always up |
| 03:52.44 | DWSR | It's so fucking stupid |
| 03:53.12 | DWSR | Apparently they're tweaking it next patch to make the towers an easier target |
| 03:53.43 | Ackis | if anyone cares, my cat just got home!!!!! |
| 03:53.48 | WobWork | I'm not sure why the portal is bugged =P |
| 03:53.49 | DWSR | yay :D |
| 03:53.52 | WobWork | yay! |
| 03:54.09 | DWSR | Ackis: My gf found her hampster yesterday that had been lost for 2 days |
| 03:54.13 | WobWork | Three cheers for AckisCat |
| 03:54.18 | Cairenn | did the Blizz forums just puke? |
| 03:54.20 | DWSR | hip hip |
| 03:54.28 | DWSR | Cairenn: When do they not? |
| 03:54.34 | Ackis | DWSR: we've lost the hampsters so many times... only 1 ended up dead... afk to cuddle kitty |
| 03:54.35 | Cairenn | Ackis: yay |
| 03:54.49 | WobWork | Cairenn: still up for me |
| 03:55.06 | Cairenn | I'm trying to edit a post and it keeps giving me "server error" |
| 03:55.21 | WobWork | ah, I'm only reading |
| 03:58.18 | WobWork | A data access error was encountered while processing your request |
| 03:58.22 | WobWork | when trying to login |
| 03:58.26 | cog|away | i can't post |
| 03:58.43 | bleeter | lol.. 17/16 vehicles in WG |
| 03:58.47 | cog|away | Cairenn: i'm trying to get that pest to move the discussion to another thread but it won't let me :'( |
| 03:59.04 | Cairenn | cog|away: yeah, the forums seem to have died |
| 03:59.17 | WobWork | DWSR: Was it under the couch the entire time? |
| 03:59.32 | Cairenn | can (mostly) read the threads, but edit or post new just isn't happening atm |
| 03:59.51 | Dagmar | Cairenn: Poor server. Try not to let it cough up blood on your clothes. |
| 04:00.14 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
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| 04:00.50 | Dagmar | It's times like this an offline forum browser starts to look more and more attractive' |
| 04:00.53 | DWSR | WobWork: It got from her room on the top floor to her basement\ |
| 04:01.30 | WobWork | Check the outside wall for tiny crampons |
| 04:01.34 | WobWork | and rappeling gear |
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| 04:07.33 | NightHawkTheSane | http://twitter.com/alyankovic |
| 04:07.34 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 04:12.43 | DWSR | lol\ |
| 04:14.00 | bleeter | WobWork: you know, just reading over the ACMA prohibited list, I'd suspect Mankrik's wife is in violation of the MA15+ guideline =)) |
| 04:14.25 | bleeter | WobWork: "implied sexual activity" |
| 04:14.45 | Corrodias_2 | but it's okay. nobody can find her. |
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| 04:22.46 | bleeter | Corrodias_2: ok then, the drug usage which even the ESRB hasn't warned about :P |
| 04:23.05 | Ackis | is there a version of ATSW newer than 0.7.2? |
| 04:23.19 | bleeter | Cairenn: yeah, I must apologise for being a participant in the derailing of that thread. I hope you've noticed I've left it ;) |
| 04:23.37 | Cairenn | I did, and I appreciate it |
| 04:24.05 | Cairenn | that one guy is a real ass, isn't he? |
| 04:24.59 | bleeter | the forum avatar bug doesn't help in trying to identify trolls |
| 04:25.13 | bleeter | who are swapping toons to evade ignores/temp bans etc. |
| 04:26.18 | bleeter | hah no response to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864749493&sid=1#8 |
| 04:26.32 | Ackis | bleeter: posting on another account is a perma ban! |
| 04:27.25 | bleeter | I'm actually suprised that post of mine is still there, as it could be considered as a sploit description |
| 04:27.33 | bleeter | (if, in fact, sidejacking is still possible) |
| 04:28.33 | Shefki | bleeter: Threads getting sidetracked... No way. |
| 04:30.02 | Shefki | Cairenn: Stop trying to use logic on the trolls. |
| 04:30.05 | Shefki | It doesn't work. |
| 04:30.49 | Cairenn | yeah, I know |
| 04:31.10 | Shefki | Start making up wild theories like i've taken to doing. |
| 04:31.18 | Shefki | Literature is a wonderful inspiration too. |
| 04:31.34 | Shefki | I think by the time we're done I might have taught the trolls the entire Oz series. |
| 04:32.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:32.31 | cog|away | "What are the odds of the digits of pi being exactly what they are?" O.o o.O x.x owie |
| 04:32.49 | Shefki | cogwheel: 100%! |
| 04:33.32 | cogwheel | (from a "nature of the universe" perspective, not an "a is a" perspective) |
| 04:33.52 | cogwheel | (though i still think it's 100%) |
| 04:34.10 | cogwheel | (since it follows logically from the definition of itself) |
| 04:34.31 | cogwheel | (given base 10 numbering system, of course) |
| 04:44.51 | Ackis | hey cogwheel! I HAS A PUSSY!!! |
| 04:45.09 | cogwheel | O RLY? WUT CULER |
| 04:45.11 | cogwheel | ??? |
| 04:45.18 | Ackis | grey! it came hommmmeeee |
| 04:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a line to walk back to |
| 04:45.58 | Nechckn_AFK | goodness |
| 04:48.21 | WobWork | Are You Being Served? |
| 04:49.38 | Tekkub | god... that show... |
| 04:49.59 | kd3 | oh memories |
| 04:54.39 | bleeter | mmm mammaries |
| 04:57.32 | WobWork | Ackis: Have you photos of said pussy? |
| 04:57.37 | WobWork | cause pix or it didn't happen! |
| 04:58.30 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:58.58 | WobWork | also, the world could do with more cute kitty pictures |
| 04:59.10 | Tewan | WobWork: http://tewan.info/zzzkitteh.jpg |
| 05:00.58 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:03.39 | Tewan | http://tewan.info/zzzkitteh2.jpg |
| 05:05.20 | WobWork | there was a thread on the SA forums: Wake Up Your Cat |
| 05:06.03 | Aiiane | aw @ catpics |
| 05:06.21 | cogwheel | i'm sorry to bring it up, but that anti-donation jackass that both sides of the aisle seem to dispise is riling up the general forums in case any of you want to chime in... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864260136&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 05:06.48 | cogwheel | my response is #31 |
| 05:07.37 | WobWork | http://www.somethingawful.com/d/comedy-goldmine/wake-your-cat.php |
| 05:11.58 | Aiiane | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/funny-pictures-itty-bitty-kitty-committee-buffet.jpg |
| 05:12.00 | Aiiane | :x |
| 05:12.21 | Aiiane | that much cute should not be allowed to congregate |
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| 05:13.09 | bleeter | cogwheel: lol General (was basically my response;) |
| 05:14.59 | WobWork | "and the state of your pitiful forums relates to the topics serious question in what manner? " |
| 05:15.07 | WobWork | cause General Forum is SRS BSNSS |
| 05:15.34 | Aiiane | you spelled it wrong, there's no space in SRSBSNSS |
| 05:15.36 | Aiiane | :P |
| 05:15.55 | WobWork | Personally I probably would stop playing if Blizzard went to the extreme of banning addons completely |
| 05:15.58 | Aiiane | SRSBSNSS is SRSBSNSS |
| 05:16.08 | WobWork | If it weren't for addons, I'd've stopped playing years ago |
| 05:16.19 | bleeter | cogwheel: your friend has raged at the UI forum trolls posting in his thread! OH NOES! TEH HORRA! |
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| 05:16.59 | bleeter | ah well, as I say.. as if General's a good indicator of the playing average community anyways |
| 05:17.04 | bleeter | er.. average playing |
| 05:17.08 | bleeter | NAD EDIT.. BAD |
| 05:17.14 | bleeter | ~fail bleeter |
| 05:17.15 | purl | bleeter: FAIL! |
| 05:17.37 | WobWork | huh |
| 05:17.44 | WobWork | It had credibility in the first place? |
| 05:17.52 | bleeter | qed |
| 05:19.58 | Aiiane | oh hey |
| 05:20.04 | Aiiane | I had forgotten how much fun wow general is to read |
| 05:20.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Fun? |
| 05:20.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I did that once |
| 05:20.17 | Aiiane | it just have to remember to shut my brain off first |
| 05:20.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I wound up with chollera |
| 05:20.22 | Aiiane | lest it become infected |
| 05:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *cholera |
| 05:20.53 | bleeter | I put my brain in the jar under the bed before reading General |
| 05:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | General: the leading cause of cholera amongst visitors to the WoW forums |
| 05:21.41 | WobWork | he account you are logged in with is not able to post on this forum. Please log out and select a different account if you want to post. |
| 05:21.44 | WobWork | oho? |
| 05:22.13 | WobWork | or did the forums just fall over |
| 05:22.24 | bleeter | back and repost |
| 05:22.28 | bleeter | it's fine, just bugged to crap |
| 05:23.09 | WobWork | meh, it was going to be a troll post anyway |
| 05:23.17 | bleeter | most of my friends dont read *ANY* Blizz WoW Forum, *because* of the IQ loss they suffered when seeing General just once |
| 05:23.55 | bleeter | and the others just dont care/dont know of the forums |
| 05:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | the 'old' b.net forums make the WoW forums look educated |
| 05:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly they have since been nuked |
| 05:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | s/y t/y(?) t/ |
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| 05:29.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: the trolls have a point, a full screen WAR ad behind wowi.com is kinda funny ;) |
| 05:29.35 | Cairenn | it's not the first skin we've had on that page, it won't be the last |
| 05:29.40 | Cairenn | advertisers like them |
| 05:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh I'm quite sure |
| 05:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It is just a bit funny :) |
| 05:30.03 | Cairenn | if blizz wants to pay us for a skin, we'll put one up for them, too |
| 05:30.05 | WobWork | I don't see why it's funny though |
| 05:30.06 | Cairenn | meh |
| 05:30.10 | WobWork | it's just a skin =P |
| 05:30.30 | WobWork | It's for WAR? Yay! it's for WoW? Yay! |
| 05:30.35 | WobWork | who cares =P |
| 05:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey that is better :) |
| 05:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://s.wowinterface.com/images/style_mmoi_wowi2/layout/body-background-wotlk.jpg is vastly superior ;P |
| 05:31.04 | Cairenn | they're trying to make like our having that skin somehow makes us hypocrites or something, /shrug |
| 05:31.26 | Cairenn | they can take it up with Zam's advertising department |
| 05:31.39 | WobWork | hum |
| 05:31.43 | WobWork | did that thread just get deleted? |
| 05:31.49 | Tekkub | oh god |
| 05:31.50 | Tekkub | http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20090325 |
| 05:31.59 | Shirik | WobWork? |
| 05:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | The mods have been busy on UI/M over the past few days |
| 05:32.10 | Cairenn | which thread? |
| 05:32.21 | bleeter | cogwheel: and his General thread vanishes ;) |
| 05:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm somewhat convinced that the forums mods, 99% of the time, /really/ like the board |
| 05:32.44 | WobWork | the one bleeter was referring to |
| 05:33.10 | Shirik | Tekkub, wtf |
| 05:33.11 | Cairenn | huh, okay |
| 05:33.24 | bleeter | some of the moderation's been so speedy I'm kinda feeling like we're being stalked >< |
| 05:33.35 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:34.34 | bleeter | LAMINGTUNZ! |
| 05:34.38 | bleeter | or pavlova |
| 05:34.40 | bleeter | plskthx |
| 05:35.06 | cogwheel | bleeter: :( |
| 05:35.14 | cogwheel | i was hoping they'd leave it on general |
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| 05:35.32 | WobWork | I want to see the QQ post by volchan now =P |
| 05:35.40 | bleeter | well what's the old thing about delete post, delete thread, then 3 hour temp ban etc. etc? |
| 05:36.09 | Cairenn | wonder if I should wish I'd seen it or if I'm just as glad I didn't |
| 05:37.12 | bleeter | um... |
| 05:37.14 | bleeter | 1) General |
| 05:37.17 | bleeter | 2) Volcomm |
| 05:37.19 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:37.25 | Aiiane | someone should make a variant of bluetracker that lets you stalk arbitrary wow forum posters :P |
| 05:37.34 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:37.35 | cogwheel | bleeter: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&postId=158627436475&sid=1#1496 |
| 05:37.53 | Cairenn | is that the same ass that was trolling my thread? |
| 05:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864260531&sid=1 <-- haha, win |
| 05:38.03 | cogwheel | volcomm? yes |
| 05:38.07 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:39.27 | Aiiane | forum trolls should be sentenced to death by kittens. |
| 05:39.37 | Cairenn | honestly, I really don't care about idiots like that, we're doing everything we can to help |
| 05:39.39 | Aiiane | mostly because it'd be both cute, funny, and awesome at the same time |
| 05:39.44 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: notice how he's now seeking assistance to violate (C)? |
| 05:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You know I'm only noticing so much right now |
| 05:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda been blasting happy music for hours through my headphones |
| 05:40.48 | Tekkub | happy music FTW |
| 05:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Enjoy yourself |
| 05:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Take only what you NEEEEEEEEEEEED from it |
| 05:41.10 | Tekkub | o/~ and he was duh duh dumber than the duh duh dirt on the ground o/~ |
| 05:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | * 40 or something silly |
| 05:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIEOZCcaXzE <-- creepy good fan video |
| 05:42.02 | Aiiane | Cairenn: is it sad that I clicked on your thread and after reading it the first thought going through my mind was "cairenn is level 14?" |
| 05:42.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:42.20 | Cairenn | that's my baby in the author guild |
| 05:42.31 | bleeter | cogwheel: I can't read that :/ |
| 05:42.36 | bleeter | cogwheel: needs more .'s |
| 05:43.18 | Aiiane | bleeter: lately my favorite link to post on forums to various people is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop |
| 05:45.03 | Tekkub | heh, I have a sudden urge to make a script that replaces periods in my posts with a period wrapped in a link to that page |
| 05:45.48 | bleeter | links? WHAT? |
| 05:46.02 | bleeter | wow.forum.hax.r.tek.com |
| 05:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: die for linking wikipedia.. I HAD a decent train of thought going, now it is currently wandering around wikipedia :P |
| 05:46.25 | Tekkub | <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop">.</a> |
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| 05:46.43 | DWSR | anyone know of a mouse gestures addon for WoW? |
| 05:46.43 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1: score |
| 05:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: diiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:47.03 | Tekkub | we can't really track the mouse like that :P |
| 05:47.23 | Aiiane | Tekkub: obviously, an array of 100x100 1pixel buttons using onmouseover events |
| 05:47.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: couldn't we? Overlay a frame, get the mouse position onupdate? |
| 05:47.38 | NeoTron | what is type(something) = userdata?! |
| 05:47.44 | NeoTron | like what's that type |
| 05:47.48 | Aiiane | NeoTron: data that you're not supposed to be able to touch |
| 05:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: a frame |
| 05:47.59 | Tekkub | have you seen how tracking the mouse onupdate works? |
| 05:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: userdata is data stored C-side but exposed (to a point) to lua, you can't really touch it |
| 05:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: it is probably pretty terrible |
| 05:48.17 | Tekkub | take an addon where they manually move their frame using an onupdate instead of a proper drag handler |
| 05:48.21 | Tekkub | it's hideous |
| 05:48.23 | NeoTron | wonder why the hell "pass" in magicdkp client tries to serialize that |
| 05:48.43 | Aiiane | otoh Tekkub, mouse gestures might not need precise trackin |
| 05:48.45 | Aiiane | g |
| 05:49.02 | ScytheBlade1 | If they did, no one would use them :P |
| 05:49.10 | Aiiane | depending on how intricate a gesture system you're going for |
| 05:49.13 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: How feasible is it? |
| 05:49.17 | DWSR | sounds like that's a lot of processiong |
| 05:49.19 | Aiiane | but in general |
| 05:49.20 | Tekkub | *shrug* I never much got mouse gestures myself |
| 05:49.21 | DWSR | processing |
| 05:49.22 | Aiiane | why not just use OPie |
| 05:49.27 | DWSR | It's a neat idea |
| 05:49.28 | Tekkub | I could see it being handy on a tablet |
| 05:49.32 | DWSR | Tekkub: Ding |
| 05:49.34 | DWSR | I got one of thsoe |
| 05:49.42 | Tekkub | oh, then uh, fuck you |
| 05:49.44 | Aiiane | does opie have support for subrings yet? |
| 05:49.48 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:49.56 | Aiiane | I haven't exactly been playing wow, so I haven't been following it |
| 05:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: not too much processing all things considered. Doable but not totally advisable |
| 05:50.03 | DWSR | why not? |
| 05:50.03 | Aiiane | if it does, then it effectively supports basic gestures |
| 05:50.07 | Tekkub | I hope oPie adds support for cockrings soon |
| 05:50.13 | Aiiane | ~lart Tekkub |
| 05:50.13 | purl | decapitates Tekkub conan the destroyer style |
| 05:50.26 | Aiiane | also, http://ninxmz.org/images/demotivators/4chan%202.jpg |
| 05:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | anywho, sleep time, yeaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 05:51.56 | DWSR | Aiiane: What's OPie? I'm not an addon dev |
| 05:52.01 | Cairenn | night ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:52.04 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 05:52.05 | DWSR | Aiiane: ROFL |
| 05:52.13 | Aiiane | DWSR: http://go-hero.net/opie/ |
| 05:52.29 | Cairenn | DWSR: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html |
| 05:52.35 | TC-Away | I think we are likely to make the following changes: |
| 05:52.36 | TC-Away | * Improved Scorch: In addition to the stacking crit debuff, will improve your critical strike chance with Fireball, Scorch or Frostfire Bolt by 1/2/3%. |
| 05:52.36 | DWSR | oh my god. |
| 05:52.38 | Thunder_Child | weee |
| 05:52.42 | WobWork | <3 opie |
| 05:52.44 | DWSR | That was like an answer to my prayers. |
| 05:52.59 | Aiiane | radial menus are pretty cool for tablets, yes |
| 05:53.02 | DWSR | I just jizzed. |
| 05:53.05 | DWSR | Like everywhere |
| 05:53.08 | Thunder_Child | tmi |
| 05:53.10 | Aiiane | ....tmi |
| 05:53.14 | DWSR | (I'm kidding). |
| 05:53.14 | Tekkub | sbo! |
| 05:53.16 | Cairenn | Wtmi |
| 05:53.16 | Aiiane | dammit TC :/ |
| 05:53.30 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 05:53.44 | DWSR | Isn't OneRing the name of a mod that comes in the OneBank set of addons? |
| 05:53.47 | Thunder_Child | i didnt bother with unnecicary fluff |
| 05:53.56 | Shirik | Wtf is wtmi |
| 05:54.03 | kd3 | dwsr, yes |
| 05:54.03 | Thunder_Child | way tmi |
| 05:54.08 | Thunder_Child | fail Shirik |
| 05:54.11 | Tekkub | wants to many infos |
| 05:54.23 | DWSR | heh k |
| 05:54.26 | DWSR | Think I'll get this mod |
| 05:54.30 | Tekkub | "wookie" is allso acceptable |
| 05:54.30 | DWSR | It available on Curse? |
| 05:54.40 | cogwheel | bleeter: i think you're going a bit far on the racism thing... |
| 05:54.49 | kd3 | probably. it's one of kaelten's mods |
| 05:54.56 | cogwheel | you're not helping public perception of our side of the argument ;) |
| 05:55.06 | DWSR | No, it's not. |
| 05:55.12 | DWSR | :( cry |
| 05:55.12 | kd3 | then check wowace/curseforge |
| 05:55.29 | Shirik | what addon is this? |
| 05:55.30 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt show up on the CC |
| 05:55.35 | Thunder_Child | doubtfull then |
| 05:55.53 | Dagmar | ArkInventory already kinda does what OneRing does |
| 05:55.55 | bleeter | cogwheel: no, the GMs of CSF will edit and moderate if you post with that kinda racial overtone of any type. |
| 05:56.09 | bleeter | nationality is irrelevant to the practice of gold farming |
| 05:56.11 | cogwheel | i'm talking about the continued discussion of it |
| 05:56.21 | cogwheel | not whether it's actionable |
| 05:56.28 | DWSR | Shirik: OPie |
| 05:56.32 | bleeter | oh, removed my reply then |
| 05:56.37 | Dagmar | You can pretty much just skin the keyring (or any inventory container) however you like with AI |
| 05:56.37 | Shirik | what exactly is the problem with wowinterface? |
| 05:56.43 | DWSR | Everything |
| 05:56.49 | Shirik | Okay |
| 05:56.49 | DWSR | Nothing |
| 05:56.50 | Shirik | Very helpful |
| 05:56.55 | DWSR | I just have the Curse Client |
| 05:56.57 | Shirik | thanks for the enlightenment |
| 05:57.07 | cogwheel | no worries, i'm just sensitive to shooting ourselves in the foot when we have such a viscious troll hanging around |
| 05:57.13 | WobWork | cogwheel: linq? |
| 05:57.44 | Dagmar | If trolls had anything impressive they could do, they'd be doing it |
| 05:57.45 | cogwheel | WobWork: he's been in pretty much every thread related to the addon policy |
| 05:57.52 | cogwheel | volcomm or variations |
| 05:57.52 | WobWork | well true |
| 05:58.04 | WobWork | just the reference that bleeter made |
| 05:58.11 | WobWork | was what I was after |
| 05:58.17 | cogwheel | oh... |
| 05:58.27 | cogwheel | i think he got the post deleted already >< |
| 05:58.59 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:59.26 | DWSR | So i'd rather not have to install another auto-updater to keep OPie up2date |
| 05:59.43 | DWSR | Shirik: ^ |
| 06:00.10 | kd3 | qq |
| 06:00.12 | WobWork | opie doesn't need much maintenence |
| 06:00.21 | Tewan | opie is win |
| 06:00.24 | DWSR | doesn't mean it won't break eventually. |
| 06:00.25 | WobWork | I think it got updated maybe once in the last 5 months |
| 06:00.33 | WobWork | so update it when it breaks =P |
| 06:00.43 | Dagmar | I get the feeling many of these people don't realize that just because Blizzard made the API available doesn't necessarily mean anyone has any rights to it |
| 06:00.55 | DWSR | I don't mind having only 1 or 2 mods that aren't in curse, but I try to minimize that number |
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| 06:01.20 | DWSR | I sincerely hope Bliz changes the donation policy. |
| 06:01.24 | DWSR | And just creates an API for donations |
| 06:01.31 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 06:01.38 | DWSR | Simple solution to the problem. |
| 06:01.47 | DWSR | If you want donation messages, they use this API, else you banned. |
| 06:01.49 | DWSR | kthxbai |
| 06:01.50 | Dagmar | I think that's what it'll take to satisfy legal that the information is being issued, but is not being made a request for donations |
| 06:01.58 | Shirik | I was done reading your comments about why after "What is wrong with wowinterface?" ... "Everything" |
| 06:02.05 | Shirik | tbh |
| 06:02.11 | DWSR | Shirik: It's joke? |
| 06:02.23 | Shirik | not a very good one |
| 06:02.24 | DWSR | there is funny on intertubes, right? |
| 06:02.43 | Shirik | when someone is trying to help you, that's not the correct response |
| 06:02.56 | Cairenn | everyone is more than a little sensitive these days, people need to walk a little more softly |
| 06:03.15 | DWSR | Sorry, I'll suffix my lines with :P when I'm kidding. k? |
| 06:03.16 | WobWork | (and carry a big stick?) |
| 06:03.46 | Shirik | No, you should better choose what is the right time for a joke and what is the right time for when to say something reasonable |
| 06:04.03 | WobWork | well, it's more that baseless dissing of WoWI will ruffle feathers |
| 06:04.19 | WobWork | if you have a reason behind "Everything" then let WoWI know what's missing |
| 06:04.33 | WobWork | but if not, then don't make the mention |
| 06:04.34 | Cairenn | easy guys |
| 06:04.40 | DWSR | WobWork: I clarified that I didn't think that there was anything wrong with WoWI. |
| 06:04.45 | WobWork | just say "I don't want to run too many updaters |
| 06:04.46 | WobWork | " |
| 06:04.47 | Cairenn | it was tactless, but a joke |
| 06:04.52 | DWSR | And that my preference to curse is purely based on not running another updater. |
| 06:05.19 | Dagmar | DWSR: If you treat the things like the "stable" trees their authors are claiming to be making, you shouldn't bother with an updater. |
| 06:05.51 | Dagmar | "Stable" trees you update if a) you encounter a bug, or b) you decide you'd like a feature in the next release |
| 06:05.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: Unknown things happen, and patches break API. |
| 06:05.59 | WobWork | I don't run the updater for WoWI until something breaks =P |
| 06:06.01 | DWSR | and option b) |
| 06:06.07 | WobWork | cause I expect the addons from there to be stable |
| 06:06.18 | DWSR | Also, I install betas to help with testing. |
| 06:06.21 | Shirik | except the updater itself, WobWork :P |
| 06:06.25 | DWSR | The auto-updater is nice. |
| 06:06.25 | Dagmar | DWSR: This means literally you don't upgrade from 2.2 to 2.3 most of the time, man |
| 06:06.36 | WobWork | Shirik: well, who's fault is that? =P |
| 06:06.43 | Dagmar | Auto-updating increases the chances you will encounter a *new* bug |
| 06:06.50 | DWSR | Me, and EVERYONE else. |
| 06:06.57 | Dagmar | No joke. |
| 06:07.07 | WobWork | it's a terrible habit brought upon by AceSVN |
| 06:07.07 | DWSR | I'm not kidding either. |
| 06:07.11 | Tewan | I only update my addons when I redo my interface/change servers |
| 06:07.21 | Tewan | and it seems like I'm not gonna update for a while |
| 06:07.21 | DWSR | I generally update to betas to help find/squash bugs. |
| 06:07.27 | Tewan | I don't wanna lose certain addons |
| 06:07.29 | Dagmar | Then don't expect stability |
| 06:07.31 | DWSR | Which reminds me, need to report a SexyMap compatibility issue. |
| 06:07.35 | Tewan | and with the addon policy change... *cough* |
| 06:07.36 | DWSR | Totally breaking my mover frames. |
| 06:07.40 | Shirik | Example: I only update the software on my server when I get a security alert that affects me |
| 06:07.40 | WobWork | that's Antiarc |
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| 06:07.54 | WobWork | Hometime! |
| 06:07.56 | WobWork | FINALLY |
| 06:08.00 | Cairenn | bye WobWork |
| 06:08.14 | WobWork | such a long day >< |
| 06:08.21 | Shirik | wtf kind of schedle are you on |
| 06:08.23 | DWSR | Anyone know if OPie supports binding to mouseclicks? |
| 06:08.28 | Shirik | It's 2:08 +/- whatever hours |
| 06:08.33 | Shirik | who works until something:08? |
| 06:08.50 | Aiiane | DWSR: pretty sure it supports binding to just about anything |
| 06:09.15 | DWSR | Aiiane: can't figure out how to bind to mousebuttons? |
| 06:10.46 | Shirik | ok, now to study for a class I haven't been to in about a month and a half |
| 06:11.08 | Thunder_Child | GG Shirik |
| 06:11.10 | DWSR | It's not in the keybinds menu and I can't click to bind. |
| 06:11.15 | DWSR | Shirik: Know that feeling |
| 06:11.23 | Shirik | I already know most of the class |
| 06:11.29 | Shirik | I just want to review it to make sure I didn't miss anything |
| 06:12.00 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, http://www.go-hero.net/opie/about |
| 06:12.16 | DWSR | Read it, nothing about mouse binding in particular. |
| 06:12.20 | DWSR | I've tride what it said. |
| 06:14.47 | AnduinLothar | whats the 2h expertise 'cap'? |
| 06:15.16 | DWSR | s/tride/tried/ |
| 06:15.17 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, i dunno, mine comes default bound to mouse buttons |
| 06:15.27 | DWSR | One of mine is bound to MB4 |
| 06:15.35 | DWSR | But I can't use that, since my Logitech drivers are fail |
| 06:15.47 | Thunder_Child | so re bind it |
| 06:16.17 | DWSR | I want to bind to Ctrl+MB1 |
| 06:16.46 | DWSR | but I've tried clicking to bind, then hitting Ctrl+MB1 |
| 06:16.57 | DWSR | Won't accept it. Sits there waiting for a keypress still |
| 06:17.04 | Thunder_Child | do it over the button |
| 06:17.11 | Thunder_Child | when you use mb1 |
| 06:17.13 | Rabbitbunny | Is there an easy way to get a rating for gear, aa singular number? |
| 06:17.20 | DWSR | Rabbitbunny: Yes. |
| 06:17.23 | DWSR | Tables |
| 06:17.28 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Tried it. |
| 06:17.35 | DWSR | It just turns off binding mode |
| 06:17.38 | DWSR | Even though I'm holding Ctrl |
| 06:17.41 | Rabbitbunny | DWSR: do what with tables? |
| 06:17.59 | DWSR | Rabbitbunny: How much 1% of each stat is at each level |
| 06:18.09 | DWSR | Just save that information in a 2D array and away you go |
| 06:18.39 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, might now work to mb1 |
| 06:18.44 | DWSR | Doesn't work on MB2 either |
| 06:19.02 | Thunder_Child | i got it to work with anything higher than mb2 |
| 06:19.12 | DWSR | I can't bind to 'MB3' |
| 06:19.17 | DWSR | Logitech drivers hide those. |
| 06:19.39 | DWSR | Logitech drivers force me to rebind them to keystrokes using their sofitware |
| 06:19.59 | Tekkub | sweeeeeeeeet |
| 06:20.06 | DWSR | Yeah, fucking FAIL |
| 06:20.18 | Tekkub | all my wowi addons have real pledgie infos now, if they had pledgie before |
| 06:20.24 | DWSR | I have action bar binds for like Ctrl+Alt+Shift d and shit |
| 06:20.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Rabbitbunny: you might look into Pawn. it allows you to assign values to stats and adds them up to provide a 'rating' for gear. |
| 06:20.48 | DWSR | Tekkub: Plegdie? |
| 06:21.02 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8633-Panda.html |
| 06:21.17 | Tekkub | the badge was there alread, as a [url][img]... |
| 06:21.19 | Cairenn | Tekkub: :) |
| 06:21.28 | DWSR | ah |
| 06:21.33 | Tekkub | now it's a real [pledgie] plus it's hooked into the download button |
| 06:21.38 | DWSR | nice :) |
| 06:22.06 | Tekkub | now lets see if the donations start rolling in |
| 06:22.09 | Tekkub | probably not ^^ |
| 06:22.48 | Torhal | Bah. I was all happy about my new hardware today, then noticed that my framerates dropped to sub-shitty levels after about an hour until I restart WoW. |
| 06:23.01 | Torhal | Dunno if it's Wine or the driver for my new card |
| 06:23.04 | Torhal | Fuckness. |
| 06:23.13 | Tekkub | bwahahahaha |
| 06:23.23 | Tekkub | what is the standard for "shitty" these days? |
| 06:23.25 | Shirik | sub-shittyt? |
| 06:23.25 | Tekkub | 8FPS? |
| 06:23.30 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 06:23.37 | DWSR | I can do 25 Sarth @ 2FPS |
| 06:23.48 | Torhal | Sub-shitty == below shitty. |
| 06:24.10 | Torhal | DWSR: So can I, but I don't expect to with 6GB more ram and a new GPU. |
| 06:24.16 | DWSR | yeah, indeed |
| 06:25.06 | Torhal | Tekkub: Yah - I'll be getting anywhere from 16-32FPS in Icecrown, then suddenly 4-8FPS until I completely exit WoW and restart it. |
| 06:25.14 | Tekkub | you still have not given a baseline for "shitty" |
| 06:25.19 | Torhal | Just did :) |
| 06:25.42 | Tekkub | gah, well that's not really a baseline, that's just "it's lower" |
| 06:25.51 | Tekkub | are you claiming your normal is "shitty"? |
| 06:26.25 | Torhal | With my on-board ATI GPU, I was averaging 10FPS in Icecrown. On my old machine, I was averaging around 6. |
| 06:26.40 | Tekkub | onboard, lawl |
| 06:26.59 | Torhal | But my old machine was an Athlon 2000 with an FX5500 GPU and 1.5GB RAM |
| 06:27.05 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:27.10 | DWSR | I got a 7800gtx |
| 06:27.12 | DWSR | For free |
| 06:27.20 | DWSR | Now I average 70FPS in some places |
| 06:27.35 | Torhal | I'm now running a 1GB 9500GT |
| 06:27.48 | DWSR | oo nice |
| 06:27.55 | Thunder_Child | i average 5-10 fps in dal with my settings maxed out :( |
| 06:28.05 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Same. |
| 06:28.22 | Torhal | Dalaran has like 629843 layers of textures or something. |
| 06:28.25 | Tekkub | I've not paid attention to dal framerates |
| 06:28.33 | Tekkub | the thing that concerns me there is texture loading |
| 06:28.41 | DWSR | Yeah, it is. |
| 06:28.52 | DWSR | I thrash my pagefile on Dal on only 1GB |
| 06:28.58 | Tekkub | and that's better now that I've got >2GiB of memory and a SATA2 drive to run wow off of |
| 06:29.06 | cogwheel | hmm... trolling's fun... |
| 06:29.14 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864308977&sid=1&pageNo=8#153 |
| 06:29.19 | Tekkub | 1GB must be harsh, I was just bearly hitting VM with 2 and that sucked |
| 06:29.46 | Torhal | On my old system, with all settings turned completely down, I was lucky to get 4FPS in Dalaran. |
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| 06:31.30 | DWSR | yeah, me too |
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| 06:32.05 | Tekkub | I just didn't go to dalaran unless I was there for the ports or to train trades |
| 06:32.12 | Tekkub | now, fuck it, I hang out ther |
| 06:32.17 | Tekkub | unless I need the AH |
| 06:32.31 | DWSR | yeah. Once I get like 4GB in here it'll be fine |
| 06:32.59 | DWSR | Problem is just cache thrashing causing slow loading |
| 06:33.11 | Tekkub | yea it's a horrible cycle |
| 06:33.32 | DWSR | WG and Dal are terrible. |
| 06:33.35 | DWSR | Everything else is fine |
| 06:33.36 | Tekkub | read textures from HDD, fault, write them back, load next batch, fault... |
| 06:33.39 | DWSR | In fact, it's juicy. |
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| 06:33.49 | DWSR | Got my graphics out of the basement and the game looks HAWT |
| 06:34.18 | Tekkub | yea I'm running a "good" card for the first time in years cause I won't pay $400 for a card |
| 06:34.28 | Tekkub | got a nice lil one for like $120 |
| 06:34.56 | DWSR | yeah I got my 7800gtx + 1GB ram + CD drive + floppy drive from friend for just S&H. |
| 06:35.09 | Tekkub | floppy lawl |
| 06:35.15 | Tekkub | hell, CD lawl |
| 06:35.37 | Wraithan | 1gb of ram lawl |
| 06:35.45 | Tekkub | the only thing I use my DVD drive for is to burn OS install discs for Trey |
| 06:36.27 | DWSR | It's DVD-DL RW |
| 06:36.28 | Wraithan | Trey? |
| 06:36.35 | Tekkub | bear |
| 06:36.55 | Tekkub | DWSR, mine does LightScribe too |
| 06:37.05 | Tekkub | it's fun! |
| 06:37.23 | Wraithan | I almost got a lightscribe but I decided against it because I wouldn't use it and didn't want to buy the expensive DVDs |
| 06:37.48 | Tekkub | last I checked there was very little price diff |
| 06:37.52 | DWSR | indeed |
| 06:37.55 | Wraithan | http://www.rimage.com/products_detail_objectname_pr_8100N.html I used to do tech support for these |
| 06:38.03 | Tekkub | plus I haven't bought a spindle in.... since I bought the drive |
| 06:38.04 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 06:38.17 | Wraithan | Tekkub: when I bought my DVD burner it was like 2 years ago |
| 06:38.37 | Tekkub | I've had mine over a year, cause it was before we moved to this apt |
| 06:38.44 | Wraithan | The Rimage Producer is badass |
| 06:39.07 | Wraithan | They have a dye-sub printer for printing lables |
| 06:39.12 | Wraithan | directly onto the CD |
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| 06:53.31 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* you know you need to see a psychiatrist when you start saying "i can has" to yourself |
| 06:53.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:53.59 | digmouse | "We now has a blag!" -- Wowhead |
| 06:55.40 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 06:55.50 | Fisker- | Microsoft asks me when i obtained my device |
| 06:55.54 | Fisker- | and i can choose up to 2015 |
| 06:57.03 | Dagmar | It's called a "preinstantation warranty" |
| 06:57.28 | Dagmar | It starts the moment the normal warranty would expire, so as to catch the first failure. |
| 07:00.54 | Sixen | Rawr. |
| 07:00.58 | Rabbitbunny | anyone happen to have been deep inside pawn? |
| 07:01.08 | Rabbitbunny | looking for a way to return a rating. |
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| 07:09.20 | Tekkub | http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2009/03/24/update-to-wga-notifications-for-windows-xp-pro.aspx |
| 07:09.27 | Tekkub | this blog is always so funny to read |
| 07:12.08 | DWSR | yeah |
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| 07:19.26 | DWSR | Rabbitbunny: Umm...check where it outputs its info into a tooltip? |
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| 07:21.20 | DWSR | They would see that their desktop has changed to a plain black background and they will see a persistent desktop notification above the system tray as well as messages from the system tray offering additional information and ways that the customer can report the piracy or obtain a genuine copy of Windows. |
| 07:21.20 | DWSR | Tekkub: AWESOME |
| 07:21.20 | DWSR | That could be construed as hacking |
| 07:21.20 | DWSR | I don't want themt o do that to my Windows |
| 07:22.00 | Tekkub | that's how it's been for years |
| 07:22.14 | DWSR | I know |
| 07:22.19 | DWSR | Still doesn't mean I agree with it |
| 07:22.26 | DWSR | Oh wow, BG failed to rez my minion again |
| 07:22.27 | DWSR | sigh |
| 07:22.56 | End | fail |
| 07:23.04 | DWSR | I'd submit a ticket |
| 07:23.12 | DWSR | But it's a known problem that they're never going to fucking fix |
| 07:23.41 | End | it happens in wintergrasp more often for me |
| 07:24.04 | bleeter | screw filing tickets. i've had enough of bug reports and suggestions for free. |
| 07:24.04 | DWSR | End: Me as well. |
| 07:24.04 | DWSR | Although it happens at least once per BG as well |
| 07:24.10 | bleeter | far more fun really throwing rotten tomatoes from the sidelines... WG's a joke |
| 07:24.27 | bleeter | *when you're not actually going to give in return |
| 07:24.33 | End | I've seen it happen in battlegrounds a couple times, but not as much as WG |
| 07:24.54 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:25.01 | End | seems to happen more when I need to get to the GY immediately to defend it though ;-P |
| 07:25.08 | batrick | is wowmatrix storing addons in a central location or does the client download the addons from wowi and curse? |
| 07:25.25 | End | (if I knew it wasn't gonna summon my pet, I'd find my corpse!) |
| 07:25.27 | DWSR | neither |
| 07:25.45 | DWSR | It downloads them from the author's site |
| 07:25.55 | DWSR | and then promptly edits the code to remove donations and a few other things |
| 07:25.57 | krka | what if the author doesn't have a site? |
| 07:26.03 | DWSR | Prolly ain't in WoWM though |
| 07:26.14 | DWSR | I don't think WoWM supports CC/WoWI's API |
| 07:26.19 | DWSR | might well do though, don't quote me |
| 07:26.20 | Shirik | they don't |
| 07:26.37 | Shirik | despite the fact that we've given information about the API on demand to anyone who's asked |
| 07:26.44 | zenzio | this might be a slight exaggerration, but this last week I've discovered new-found respect for 14-year-olds shouting "OMG M$ IS THE DEVIL!!!!"... they seem so much more civilized than a large number of the WoW community responding to the new policy |
| 07:27.01 | DWSR | From what I understand of HTTP servers, it'd be fairly easy to block WoWM\ |
| 07:27.12 | Shirik | http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/6/f/46fdcf7738b039d42c9c1822b962cf97.png |
| 07:27.14 | End | WoWM would need an identifiable mark |
| 07:27.17 | Shirik | How the hell am I supposed to memorize that formula |
| 07:27.18 | End | there's the UA |
| 07:27.21 | End | but you can fake that |
| 07:27.25 | Shirik | They do fake that |
| 07:27.35 | Shirik | They change between UA of about 4 browsers |
| 07:28.04 | Shirik | Again, DWSR, you are strongly underestimating WM |
| 07:28.16 | DWSR | Shirik: I qualified my statement. |
| 07:28.17 | End | beyond that, you'd have to analyze shit that would probably cost more than just handling the query like normal |
| 07:28.17 | Shirik | And if you have any good ideas, we'd love to hear them, but I promise you we have spent a considerable amount of time on this problem |
| 07:28.20 | krka | can't you check which pages they visited before, and timings of requests? :) |
| 07:28.31 | DWSR | Was about to suggest that actually. |
| 07:28.32 | Shirik | krka: That's being done, though they seem to have just slowed down a bit |
| 07:28.57 | DWSR | since they're not using the CC/woWI API |
| 07:29.03 | DWSR | btw, does any cross-site client exist? |
| 07:29.08 | Shirik | Sorta |
| 07:29.17 | End | there was uh...a cross-site client...like 3 years ago |
| 07:29.18 | Shirik | A modular client exists |
| 07:29.27 | Shirik | You can write a curse module, for example |
| 07:29.31 | Shirik | I won't. |
| 07:29.34 | Shirik | But someone else can |
| 07:29.39 | DWSR | what lnag? |
| 07:29.40 | DWSR | lang? |
| 07:29.42 | Shirik | Java |
| 07:29.50 | DWSR | fuck that |
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| 07:30.00 | DWSR | I should try writing portage |
| 07:30.04 | DWSR | for CC and WoWI |
| 07:30.07 | End | eh |
| 07:30.11 | Shirik | ... why |
| 07:30.21 | krka | lol i knew there was gonna be a "java sucks" comment |
| 07:30.23 | DWSR | cause I <3 it |
| 07:30.28 | Shirik | krka: I expected it too |
| 07:30.37 | Shirik | DWSR: You're going to write a package for every single addon out there? |
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| 07:30.39 | Thunder_Child | krka, Shirik is writing it and he would say that |
| 07:30.40 | DWSR | Sorry, but I strongly dislike the language having learned a year of it |
| 07:30.48 | Shirik | A year? |
| 07:30.52 | Shirik | A year is nowhere near enough to learn Java |
| 07:31.13 | Shirik | You can learn the most of it, sure |
| 07:31.20 | Shirik | but a lot of the details aren't trivial |
| 07:31.21 | krka | using a java program very rarely includes the problems you might find when developing java |
| 07:31.35 | bleeter | DWSR: I wrote a cross-platform client, but decided to bin it when there was no way to ensure I could support advertising of the distribution's websites, or authors' donation buttons |
| 07:31.41 | zenzio | a year is enough to "learn" most languages. It's seldom enough to learn it *well*, let alone master |
| 07:32.07 | bleeter | if there was some 'agreed' standard on WoW addon donation/advertising, a decent x-platform manager would be doable. Without it, complete waste of time and effort. |
| 07:32.07 | krka | it's enough for c and lua, i think |
| 07:32.12 | Shirik | I agree |
| 07:32.17 | krka | definietely not for c++ or haskell |
| 07:32.25 | Shirik | But Java has extra things floating out there that make it especially detailed |
| 07:32.36 | Shirik | Specifically, what I refer to is multithreading, synchronization, and reflection which is built in |
| 07:32.37 | DWSR | Aye, I'll give that to you |
| 07:32.37 | bleeter | personally I think it should be done in Erlang |
| 07:32.42 | bleeter | :P |
| 07:32.43 | Shirik | reflection in particular is something of note |
| 07:32.50 | DWSR | But I still don't like the syntax. |
| 07:32.51 | bleeter | mmm coffee |
| 07:32.52 | Shirik | not to mention JNI |
| 07:32.53 | DWSR | Just feels clunky to me |
| 07:32.53 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 07:33.05 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 07:33.05 | krka | i don't consider reflection a part of the java core |
| 07:33.06 | krka | it's just a library |
| 07:33.07 | Shirik | you don't? |
| 07:33.12 | Shirik | Foo.class isn't a library |
| 07:33.19 | Shirik | though |
| 07:33.20 | DWSR | it's a class |
| 07:33.24 | DWSR | :P |
| 07:33.24 | krka | The class class is a class |
| 07:33.24 | Shirik | I guess you could say the Class class is a library |
| 07:33.35 | Shirik | (03:33:16) (krka) The class class is a class |
| 07:33.36 | Shirik | ow. |
| 07:33.42 | DWSR | only in java |
| 07:34.09 | krka | perhaps we have different definitions of learning a language |
| 07:34.15 | Shirik | maybe |
| 07:34.18 | krka | i don't include learning all of the libraries that are included by default |
| 07:34.32 | krka | i mostly consider the semantics and syntax of all built in operations and such |
| 07:34.35 | Shirik | I would include java.lang.** in "the language" for Java, though, since you can't do anything without it |
| 07:34.46 | Shirik | for example, synchronized does nothing without Object |
| 07:35.13 | krka | sure, synchronized and all related information is necessary, since it's a language construct |
| 07:35.30 | krka | some knowledge about the class class is useful too |
| 07:35.45 | krka | but all of the reflection library? |
| 07:35.53 | End | guh |
| 07:36.09 | End | I hate people who compare half a naxx run and a full run of dps, and say "I do X more damage than so and so!" |
| 07:36.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 07:36.27 | DWSR | End: Indeed. |
| 07:36.34 | DWSR | Especially since I know my damage is low on trash. |
| 07:36.43 | DWSR | meters on trash is like a screen door on a submarine |
| 07:36.48 | End | we have a holy priest who specced shadow for a night |
| 07:36.48 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 07:36.50 | DWSR | Completely fucking useless. |
| 07:37.01 | End | and he was comparing against our other shadow priest from an earlier run |
| 07:37.15 | End | and he's like "I do 2k more dps than our regular shadow priest" |
| 07:37.42 | DWSR | doesn't matter that the spriest was probably MCing during raz |
| 07:37.52 | End | yeah, trash + boss with half the instance missing is great. so I look at patchwerk, and temp shadow priest isn't hiting 3k, and normal shadow priest is ~5k dps |
| 07:37.55 | cnc|college | just look at patchwerk only or something ? |
| 07:38.19 | cnc|college | ^^ |
| 07:38.27 | DWSR | nah\ |
| 07:38.33 | Dewin | can't sleep, clowns will eat me. |
| 07:38.35 | DWSR | I just take aggregates of all bosses |
| 07:38.48 | End | too much work to refute a point |
| 07:39.00 | DWSR | Hardly. Recount will do it for em |
| 07:39.01 | DWSR | me* |
| 07:39.11 | End | I can't even compare same nights unfortunately |
| 07:39.23 | End | and temp priest was on a faster patchwerk kill too :P |
| 07:39.50 | DWSR | tbh |
| 07:39.57 | DWSR | I'm going to start WWS parsing all my runs |
| 07:40.10 | DWSR | Is there any way to run some sort of WWS parse on your own server? |
| 07:40.14 | End | patchwerk isn't perfect of course, but it takes a lot of random out |
| 07:40.19 | End | WWS specifically? no |
| 07:40.25 | DWSR | Similar, I meant |
| 07:40.25 | End | there's...statiscl I think? |
| 07:40.30 | End | it's written in perl |
| 07:40.36 | DWSR | woot |
| 07:40.54 | Shirik | prel |
| 07:40.56 | Shirik | perl |
| 07:40.57 | Shirik | instant bad |
| 07:41.23 | End | I'm not fond of perl either, but statiscl seems to work fine when I played with it |
| 07:41.30 | End | just means I wouldn't want to make any changes myself :P |
| 07:41.49 | DWSR | End: lol, I <3 Perl |
| 07:41.57 | DWSR | Mostly because of do this if this. |
| 07:41.58 | End | I used to write a bit of perl |
| 07:42.04 | DWSR | Ever use POE? |
| 07:42.10 | End | but I was terrible at writing mantainable code |
| 07:42.14 | End | POE? no |
| 07:42.29 | End | sounds new |
| 07:42.34 | DWSR | Perl Object Environment |
| 07:42.42 | DWSR | poe.perl.org |
| 07:42.47 | DWSR | Oh awesome |
| 07:42.48 | End | yeah, I found it |
| 07:42.50 | DWSR | Propane Nightmares. |
| 07:42.54 | DWSR | GO PENDULUM! |
| 07:43.16 | Shirik | of course |
| 07:43.21 | Shirik | I'm the evil guy who likes C++, too |
| 07:43.23 | End | I'm not likely to write any perl any time soon |
| 07:43.26 | End | but who knows |
| 07:43.28 | Shirik | That actually came up in my interview today |
| 07:43.31 | DWSR | POE makes it a lot easier. |
| 07:43.33 | DWSR | I fibnd |
| 07:43.35 | DWSR | find* |
| 07:43.37 | Shirik | "You like C++ over Java?" |
| 07:43.55 | DWSR | s/makes/makes a lot of stuff/ |
| 07:43.56 | Shirik | then they asked me for 2 fundamental differences of why |
| 07:44.04 | End | I found it's easier to debug other people's java code over their C++ code |
| 07:44.04 | Shirik | I think I answered well |
| 07:44.15 | Shirik | In fact |
| 07:44.20 | End | when people have C++ issues, they're probably doing terrible things with their memory |
| 07:44.30 | DWSR | End: Or their memory is doing terrible things to them |
| 07:44.38 | cog|sleep | DWSR: damn you |
| 07:44.46 | DWSR | rofl |
| 07:44.48 | DWSR | :D |
| 07:45.00 | krka | c++ makes it easy to make mistakes, java makes it hard to make mistakes |
| 07:45.06 | krka | people make mistakes :P |
| 07:45.18 | DWSR | cog|isnowactuallysleeping |
| 07:45.22 | Shirik | But |
| 07:45.23 | End | C++ lets you blow your foot off :X |
| 07:45.26 | Shirik | C++ gives you a lot more power |
| 07:45.31 | Shirik | it just also gives you the power to blow your foot off |
| 07:45.44 | Shirik | whereas in "Java you might just lose a toe |
| 07:45.46 | krka | i'd argue the "a lot" part but i dont have the energy |
| 07:46.04 | Shirik | JAVA DOESN'T EVEN HAVE UNSIGNED |
| 07:46.04 | krka | c++ gives you coredump, java gives you a friendly stacktrace :) |
| 07:46.05 | Shirik | FFS |
| 07:46.27 | krka | yeah, unsigned would probably be nice to have |
| 07:46.32 | Shirik | I really wouldn't have a problem with the lack of unsigned |
| 07:46.33 | krka | not sure i ever needed it though |
| 07:46.35 | Shirik | if byte went from 0-255 |
| 07:46.37 | Shirik | but it doesn't |
| 07:46.42 | DWSR | C++ vs. Java is like root vs. Administrator (on Windows) |
| 07:46.44 | krka | why do you care? |
| 07:46.50 | krka | just cast to an int |
| 07:47.00 | End | I've had issues with lack of unsigned, but I think they were easy to resolve |
| 07:47.04 | Shirik | It's not that simple krka |
| 07:47.09 | End | I don't really remember though |
| 07:47.11 | krka | give a relevant example then |
| 07:47.11 | Shirik | you have to perform corrections |
| 07:47.45 | Shirik | byte i = 0xFF; int n = (int)i; System.out.println("Value: " + n); |
| 07:47.50 | Shirik | Will output -1 instead of 255 |
| 07:48.03 | krka | sure |
| 07:48.07 | Shirik | so you have to do some bitwise ops which should be unnecessary to get to 255 |
| 07:48.16 | krka | that's not real code though |
| 07:48.22 | Shirik | Uh |
| 07:48.26 | Shirik | I had this problem just yesterday |
| 07:48.28 | krka | give an example that atleast shows a real world problem |
| 07:48.35 | Shirik | I didn't have "byte i = 0xFF" |
| 07:48.38 | Shirik | but I had a byte |
| 07:48.50 | krka | why did you have a byte? :) |
| 07:48.52 | Shirik | I was calculating an MD5 and turning it into a string |
| 07:49.06 | End | actually, I did have to port an algorithm from C to java once, and I had to deal with numbers not being unsigned-able. |
| 07:49.37 | Shirik | I've also had the same problem in communications protocols |
| 07:49.39 | End | once I figured out what the problem out, it was easy to resolve, but it took me a bit to figure it out |
| 07:49.42 | Shirik | Specifically with CRCs |
| 07:49.45 | krka | wouldn't it be easier to use ints internally and mask them? |
| 07:50.02 | Shirik | Except MessageDigest gives you a byte[] |
| 07:50.27 | krka | just make a helper otherwise: public static int unsignedByteToInt(byte b) { return (int) b & 0xFF; } |
| 07:50.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:50.48 | Shirik | but it shouldn't be necessary >< |
| 07:50.49 | krka | it's not rocket surgery |
| 07:51.12 | krka | well, in java you don't deal with these sort of things everywhere |
| 07:51.19 | krka | so it's not too bad |
| 07:52.17 | Shirik | Well |
| 07:52.21 | Shirik | can't use Java in a UAV :) |
| 07:52.42 | krka | UAV? |
| 07:52.44 | Shirik | So I successfully convinced my interviewers today that C++ would be better than JAva for their application |
| 07:52.48 | Shirik | unmanned aerial vehicle |
| 07:53.07 | zenzio | didn't they use Java on one of the Mars rovers? |
| 07:53.44 | bleeter | Tekkub: that updated MS WGA tool is lol |
| 07:53.57 | Tekkub | isn't it though? |
| 07:54.12 | End | I thought they used vxworks, which would mean C or C++, wouldn't it? |
| 07:54.27 | End | well, maybe they changed their mind on one of them or something |
| 07:54.47 | jnwhiteh | Does anyone know someone who has paid for Zygor recently? |
| 07:54.54 | jnwhiteh | Still getting reports that it includes TomTom |
| 07:54.56 | jnwhiteh | but they claim it doesn't |
| 07:55.01 | bleeter | I mean, I have two MS licenses. One Vista, one XP... actually 3 if you count the old W2K license. Anyways, I just run XP on all my machines. They seem to have 'passed' the latest WGA. Which reminds my, I wonder if Wine passes the new one (it passed the old) |
| 07:55.04 | jnwhiteh | which leads me to believe the people reporting it are using TPB |
| 07:55.09 | Wobin | wow |
| 07:55.11 | Wobin | licences |
| 07:55.22 | bleeter | Wobin: all came with the computers |
| 07:55.51 | bleeter | managed to convince the stores to effectively give them to me rather than have to pay... by negotiating down on other h/w ;) |
| 07:55.57 | Wobin | bah |
| 07:56.06 | DWSR | I just pirate it. |
| 07:56.10 | DWSR | Still haven't had a problem |
| 07:56.16 | DWSR | Never had a problem with WGA |
| 07:57.03 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: wait, back up... TPB as an addon distrobution site? |
| 07:57.10 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 07:57.12 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: ohhhh... some commercial addon. gotcha. |
| 07:57.21 | jnwhiteh | the addon isn't commercial |
| 07:57.22 | jnwhiteh | the guide is |
| 07:57.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c155057.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:57.35 | bleeter | shows how much attention I pay to that market ;) |
| 07:57.40 | Arrowmaster | my xp key wouldnt work when i tried to use it with a slipstreamed xp sp3 cd i made, but i havent had any other issues with it |
| 07:57.50 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 07:57.53 | Shirik | we just broke the hell out of WG |
| 07:57.54 | zenzio | End: "The places where NASA scientists have used Java for this mission is all on the ground side right now." -- so I was mistaken |
| 07:58.01 | bleeter | Shirik: 17/16 vehicles? |
| 07:58.03 | Shirik | No |
| 07:58.04 | Shirik | Worse |
| 07:58.06 | bleeter | Shirik: we had that earlier |
| 07:58.07 | End | well, there you go |
| 07:58.09 | bleeter | ooo this'll be fun |
| 07:58.19 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: i had that with slipstreamed sp3 too, sp2 and instlaling sp3 later worked perfectly, don't ask me why =P |
| 07:58.29 | Shirik | Let me get screenshot for you |
| 07:58.36 | DWSR | Shirik: Possible when 2 people build vehicles at the same time |
| 07:58.39 | Arrowmaster | maybe its because i have some unknown corp cd key |
| 07:58.41 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: my sp3 slipstream works fine |
| 07:58.54 | nevcairiel | I have an official MSDNAA key, but shrug |
| 07:59.05 | DWSR | Mostly because Bliz failed to implement a double check |
| 07:59.16 | Arrowmaster | my corp key still works with windows update website |
| 07:59.22 | DWSR | and only counts vehicles that are fully built. |
| 07:59.24 | Arrowmaster | not forced to use automatic updates |
| 07:59.37 | DWSR | If you had 20 people that created vehicles at the same time, you could get like 20/12 |
| 07:59.37 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4e1c9663e14b9fabe2e99cfec4bb4294.jpg |
| 07:59.45 | nevcairiel | I use vista these days anyway |
| 07:59.57 | Shirik | "The horde has captured Wintergrasp fortress!" "The alliance has defended wintergrasp fortress!" "The horde has defended wintergrasp fortress!" |
| 08:00.09 | DWSR | yeah, wtf? |
| 08:00.12 | Arrowmaster | i have two other computers in the house using MSDNAA xp keys |
| 08:00.25 | Arrowmaster | and a vista laptop i wont touch that still has whatever it came with |
| 08:00.27 | DWSR | btw, big enough chat box? |
| 08:00.37 | DWSR | or did you just enlarge to show? |
| 08:00.45 | Shirik | I did to show |
| 08:00.48 | DWSR | ah k |
| 08:00.56 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.01 | DWSR | rofl |
| 08:01.19 | Shirik | Anyway,that was pretty awesome |
| 08:03.01 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 08:03.23 | bleeter | Shirik: and people don't believe me when I say WG is a bugged pile of shit which, if an instance, would've been fixed months ago. :P |
| 08:03.29 | End | Shirik: I've seen that. |
| 08:03.33 | bleeter | Shirik: needless to say, I seriously rofl'd |
| 08:03.42 | End | WG gets confused sometimes |
| 08:03.53 | Shirik | we won with like seconds left |
| 08:04.00 | Shirik | I think it confused the hell out of it |
| 08:04.36 | bleeter | Shirik: curios, demo sploits? |
| 08:04.39 | bleeter | *curious |
| 08:04.44 | Shirik | don't think so |
| 08:04.52 | Shirik | I wouldn't know, I was just healing |
| 08:14.39 | Shirik | Thunder_Child! |
| 08:14.44 | Shirik | Why are you still in the red on alignment! |
| 08:15.07 | DWSR | trade wars again |
| 08:15.07 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, because i havent really played since then |
| 08:15.11 | DWSR | ? |
| 08:15.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 08:15.33 | Thunder_Child | i have to find some suy/sell things to do and i am lazy |
| 08:15.38 | Thunder_Child | buy* |
| 08:15.47 | Shirik | Received from Deployed Fighters at 11:44:50 PM S.D. 03/24/21: |
| 08:15.53 | Shirik | Esamynn is attacking! |
| 08:15.54 | Shirik | > Esamynn destroyed 1 of your fighters |
| 08:15.56 | Shirik | wtf >.> |
| 08:16.18 | nevcairiel | one doesnt seem too terrible of a loss |
| 08:16.19 | Fisker- | what the shit? |
| 08:16.28 | Shirik | no, one is nothing |
| 08:16.32 | Shirik | I just don't know why he was attacking |
| 08:16.43 | nevcairiel | he is obviously your enemy |
| 08:16.46 | Shirik | uh, no |
| 08:16.54 | nevcairiel | now he is |
| 08:16.54 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 08:16.57 | Fisker- | what are you talking about btw? |
| 08:16.58 | Shirik | oh, haha, I was blowing up his probes |
| 08:17.07 | DWSR | Fisker-: Trade Wars |
| 08:17.23 | Shirik | he was launching exploration probes and I guess I had a fighter that I forgot about randomly in some sector |
| 08:17.45 | Fisker- | sounds boring |
| 08:18.22 | Wraithan | Haha, only one officer and I in the guild read XKCD, I got the officer to append (No pun intended) to our guild message, which was Naxx25 tonight, like every week. |
| 08:18.23 | DWSR | indeed |
| 08:18.38 | Wraithan | People were bothered by it all day |
| 08:18.51 | DWSR | lol |
| 08:18.57 | Wraithan | and we would just laugh, it was wicked awesome |
| 08:19.22 | End | Wraithan: win |
| 08:19.25 | End | brb! |
| 08:19.28 | End | no pun intended |
| 08:19.34 | jnwhiteh | we had a guildmate |
| 08:19.43 | jnwhiteh | who made it a point to use "imo" anytime there was no opiion involved |
| 08:19.47 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i had a random fighter somewhere that he blew up too |
| 08:19.48 | jnwhiteh | "John is going to be late imo" |
| 08:19.53 | jnwhiteh | that drove people INSANE |
| 08:19.58 | jnwhiteh | I still do it to this day =) |
| 08:20.18 | DWSR | lol\ |
| 08:20.29 | Wraithan | jnwhiteh: It drives me insane ( and I think they do it on purpose now ) when we are telling a new person to the guild how to do loot |
| 08:20.50 | Wraithan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.02 | Wraithan | and they say "backslash O" |
| 08:21.16 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 08:21.28 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh: 2, imo |
| 08:21.28 | Shirik | you do loot in o chat? |
| 08:21.29 | Shirik | how |
| 08:21.39 | Wraithan | It is slashing forward god dammit! |
| 08:21.40 | End | 2, no pun intended |
| 08:21.42 | nevcairiel | you can allow people to write to o chat, but not read |
| 08:21.45 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 08:21.47 | DWSR | Yep |
| 08:21.47 | Shirik | you can? |
| 08:21.48 | Shirik | huh |
| 08:21.50 | DWSR | yep |
| 08:21.52 | Wraithan | Yeah you can |
| 08:21.54 | DWSR | Read and write are seperate privs. |
| 08:21.58 | DWSR | so just allow write but no read. |
| 08:22.01 | Wraithan | So our who guild can write to O |
| 08:22.06 | Arrowmaster | thats how my guild does loot, not that i raid with them anymore but they havent gkicked me yet |
| 08:22.08 | Wraithan | but only O's can read O |
| 08:22.11 | End | we'd do that, but people would abuse it, and we'd have to turn them into newts |
| 08:22.21 | Thunder_Child | End, i would abuse it |
| 08:22.24 | End | see |
| 08:22.30 | End | that's why we can't have nice things |
| 08:22.32 | Wraithan | I abuse it sometimes (I am just a regular member) |
| 08:22.45 | Thunder_Child | it's not just me End! |
| 08:22.59 | krka | jnwhiteh: did you see rat race? there's a hilarious use of no pun intended there |
| 08:23.13 | Wraithan | krka: Aye |
| 08:23.15 | jnwhiteh | i've seen it but I dont remember that, no pun intended. |
| 08:23.24 | Rabbitbunny | anyone have a favorite gear rating addon that could return a single number for a peice of gear? |
| 08:23.34 | DWSR | Pawn |
| 08:23.40 | Thunder_Child | you fuckers keep intending it to piss me off |
| 08:23.42 | DWSR | Rabbitbunny: Use Pawn |
| 08:23.51 | krka | Enrico: "I am Enrico Pollini. Now, I know what you are thinking... Enrico is a girl's name." |
| 08:23.55 | krka | Owen: "No I wasn't." |
| 08:23.57 | krka | Enrico: "No pun intended." |
| 08:24.00 | krka | Owen: "What pun is that?" |
| 08:24.00 | Rabbitbunny | I have pawn, the APIis not obvious. Hint? |
| 08:24.00 | Wraithan | Rabbitbunny: Pawn and Rating Buster |
| 08:24.07 | DWSR | Rabbitbunny: Yes. READ TEH CODES |
| 08:24.09 | DWSR | :D |
| 08:24.10 | Thunder_Child | > http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=puns < |
| 08:24.20 | Thunder_Child | take a lesson |
| 08:24.53 | Rabbitbunny | PawnGetSingleValueFromItem(Item, ScaleName) looks promising, but wtf is ScaleName? |
| 08:25.03 | Thunder_Child | "The phrase "no pun intended" makes me want to band saw my dick off just in case I'm the last man alive and I have to risk repopulating Earth with some moron's incapable vagina." |
| 08:25.05 | Thunder_Child | see above |
| 08:25.34 | End | users have to set their own scales |
| 08:25.37 | zenzio | I do have to say; saying "no pun intended" just ruins a pun |
| 08:25.59 | jnwhiteh | Rabbitbunny: you download a scale set and use that |
| 08:26.09 | jnwhiteh | DressToKill's comments show one usage |
| 08:26.13 | jnwhiteh | but its easy to figure out |
| 08:26.14 | End | so, I have scale that counts hit and one that doesn't :P |
| 08:28.47 | Wraithan | End: That is what I do also |
| 08:32.36 | DWSR | End: You mean hit in additino to your other stats? |
| 08:32.40 | DWSR | I should do that too |
| 08:32.52 | End | well, I have all the non-hits |
| 08:32.59 | End | er |
| 08:33.02 | End | well, I have all the non-hit stats |
| 08:33.11 | End | and then I have all the non-hit stats AND hit |
| 08:33.15 | DWSR | yeah |
| 08:34.46 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8496269792&postId=84955455051&sid=1#108 |
| 08:34.59 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 08:35.18 | End | Fisker-: so, what's my credit card number? |
| 08:36.00 | Fisker- | 1234 5678 9012 3456 |
| 08:36.13 | End | how funny! that's my luggage combination too! |
| 08:36.24 | Shirik | you have a lot of numbers on your lock |
| 08:36.28 | End | indeed |
| 08:36.36 | nevcairiel | its a special secure one |
| 08:36.39 | Shirik | btw Fisker- |
| 08:36.47 | Shirik | typically the "sample" card number is 4000 1234 5678 9012 |
| 08:37.11 | End | I wonder how many CC vendor ids there are |
| 08:37.22 | End | I will admit: my first digit is a 4 |
| 08:37.33 | Shirik | Visa |
| 08:37.37 | End | indeed |
| 08:37.54 | End | what does mastercard and other start with I wonder? |
| 08:37.58 | End | hm |
| 08:38.08 | End | so 4xxx is all Visa then, though? |
| 08:38.13 | Arrowmaster | 5 i think? |
| 08:38.25 | Arrowmaster | i have a visa and a mastercard i should know this |
| 08:38.34 | Shirik | Mastercard starts with 51-55 |
| 08:38.40 | Shirik | Visa is 4 |
| 08:38.49 | Shirik | Discover is 6011 |
| 08:38.52 | Shirik | those are the only ones I care to memorize |
| 08:39.03 | End | wikipedia knows |
| 08:39.54 | Fisker- | Why is that 'lol'? There is a potential security risk in giving out personal information, regardless of how secure the protocol is. There will always be someone at the receiving end, that [b]can[/b] do serious harm with that information |
| 08:39.55 | End | Amex is 34, 37 Discover is a lot of 60, 62, 64, 65 |
| 08:39.56 | Fisker- | HURRRRRRRRRRR |
| 08:40.02 | Fisker- | Why so fail? :3 |
| 08:40.11 | Fisker- | good thing he deleted his post before i responded to it |
| 08:40.23 | Dezzimal | Visa is not inside Sara Michelle Gellar's pants |
| 08:40.29 | Dezzimal | therefore it is not everywhere I want to be |
| 08:40.31 | Shirik | hm I wasw wrong about Discover? |
| 08:40.38 | Shirik | and where are you getting this End? |
| 08:40.42 | End | you weren't complete |
| 08:40.53 | End | Wikipedia. Discover Card has a whole bunch of numbers though |
| 08:40.57 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:40.57 | Shirik | where |
| 08:41.03 | End | on the credit card page |
| 08:41.07 | Shirik | omg |
| 08:41.08 | Shirik | linkfail |
| 08:41.15 | nevcairiel | gooogle-fail |
| 08:41.18 | nevcairiel | -o |
| 08:41.25 | End | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card_number |
| 08:41.32 | End | I chopped off a few digits though :P |
| 08:41.41 | End | 6011 is only one of many |
| 08:41.51 | End | although, that's redudant |
| 08:41.57 | Shirik | wikipedia seems to be broken |
| 08:42.00 | zenzio | Dezzimal: how do you know, did you check? Maybe she has a Visa fetish |
| 08:42.09 | Shirik | 6011, 60112-60114, 601174, 601177-601179, 601186-601199 |
| 08:42.12 | Shirik | wtf is the purpose of saying that |
| 08:42.13 | End | 6011, 6022, 644-649 and 65 seem to be more common bits |
| 08:42.15 | Shirik | if you've already said 6011 |
| 08:42.19 | nevcairiel | whats the point in mentioning all the 6011 sub-ranges .. yeah .. |
| 08:42.20 | End | yeah I just noticed that too |
| 08:42.24 | End | well |
| 08:42.27 | End | someone edit it |
| 08:42.29 | End | amirite? |
| 08:42.49 | Fisker- | don't do it! |
| 08:42.53 | Fisker- | It'll just get reverted |
| 08:43.12 | End | Fisker-: stop reverting our changes |
| 08:43.13 | Arrowmaster | is it Bank of America that has throw away credit card numbers now for online purchases that you can set your own really low limits on? |
| 08:43.20 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Washington&diff=130794111&oldid=130779129 |
| 08:43.24 | End | I dunno, maybe |
| 08:43.41 | End | I know there were visa cards that were basically throw-away at walmart though |
| 08:43.53 | End | you basically just put some money on them like a gift card |
| 08:43.54 | jnwhiteh | mbna has those 10 years ago |
| 08:43.55 | jnwhiteh | dunno since then tho |
| 08:43.59 | Fisker- | bah |
| 08:44.00 | End | and then you use them up |
| 08:44.07 | Fisker- | wikipedia must've been bugged |
| 08:44.10 | Arrowmaster | i bet those use up a lot of card numbers |
| 08:44.18 | Fisker- | ah |
| 08:44.20 | Shirik | Arrowmaster? |
| 08:44.21 | Fisker- | wrong diff |
| 08:44.22 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Washington&diff=next&oldid=130794111 <-hoho |
| 08:44.23 | Shirik | what you mean throw away |
| 08:44.24 | End | they probably reuse |
| 08:44.30 | End | I mean |
| 08:44.39 | End | they have a expiration date |
| 08:44.48 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 08:44.48 | Shirik | My card has an authenticator code on it now ^_^ |
| 08:44.50 | End | it's probably really short for throw away cards |
| 08:44.58 | Arrowmaster | like 1 month |
| 08:45.06 | End | even a year would be a lot shorter |
| 08:45.10 | Arrowmaster | or atleast for the online ones |
| 08:45.29 | End | my normal credit card was like 5 years |
| 08:45.42 | Arrowmaster | i completely forgot for a minute that you needed the expiration date to even use the card online |
| 08:45.47 | End | indeed |
| 08:46.50 | End | ah |
| 08:47.15 | End | interesting, I guesss Bank of America came up with the credit card in the first place |
| 08:47.31 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 08:47.34 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bank_card_number |
| 08:47.38 | Shirik | Check out "Emergency question" |
| 08:48.04 | End | haha |
| 08:50.13 | Fisker- | we should troll wikipedia |
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| 08:51.29 | Arrowmaster | "Note : Even though this number has a different character count than the other test numbers, it is the correct and functional number." |
| 08:51.31 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 08:52.04 | nevcairiel | cc numbers can be different length |
| 08:52.29 | Arrowmaster | you know all ive ever seen were 16 numbers long |
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| 08:53.07 | nevcairiel | from 12 to 19, or so |
| 08:53.08 | Shefki | 20 numbers have been accepted since the late 90s |
| 08:53.13 | nevcairiel | 16 is the most common |
| 08:53.14 | Arrowmaster | but i guess thats because you dont really need anything more than a visa and mastercard in the us |
| 08:53.22 | Thunder_Child | man, reading http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantity is hard than the actual thing |
| 08:53.33 | Shefki | Visa and Mastercard actually have issued 20 character card numbers. |
| 08:53.38 | Shefki | They just aren't common in the US. |
| 08:55.13 | nevcairiel | why would you read the simple-wiki? :D |
| 08:55.13 | Thunder_Child | because thats my first time |
| 08:55.13 | Shefki | IIRC when the Y2K thing came around they made everyone be able to support 20 digit cards at the same time. |
| 08:56.40 | Shefki | Or I ake that back maybe it was only 19. Been 10 years since I messed with that stuff. |
| 08:58.47 | Shirik | what is difference between simple and normal? |
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| 08:59.11 | Dezzimal | Normal is for people who made it out of elementary school |
| 08:59.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page read |
| 08:59.16 | DWSR | Stupid question: Does pet's growl really pull aggro from tanks? |
| 08:59.19 | Dezzimal | simple is if you're borderline illiterate |
| 08:59.42 | Arrowmaster | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory |
| 09:00.12 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory |
| 09:00.16 | Arrowmaster | you compare |
| 09:00.22 | Shirik | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero |
| 09:00.23 | Shirik | ow. |
| 09:00.48 | Dezzimal | http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_Transform http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvector |
| 09:01.08 | haste | "John has zero hats. John does not have a hat. Verbal has two hats. John is jealous." |
| 09:01.11 | haste | hahaha |
| 09:01.37 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:02.12 | Thunder_Child | sadly i know some people who could benifit from http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero |
| 09:03.01 | Shirik | Sadly, a lot of that page is wrong |
| 09:03.02 | Shirik | not simple |
| 09:03.09 | Shirik | Making something "simple" is not an excuse for incorrect. |
| 09:03.11 | Thunder_Child | hey cog|sleep, is there soemthing we should know? http://www.ticketweb.com/t3/sale/SaleEventDetail?dispatch=loadSelectionData&eventId=1058034&REFERRAL_ID=twtaUpcoming |
| 09:03.18 | Shirik | "Now, the problem here is that A could be any number! Any number is "equal" to 0/0." |
| 09:04.04 | haste | sounds like you have to correct it now Shirik ! |
| 09:04.11 | batrick | Cairenn: ping |
| 09:04.19 | Cairenn | batrick: pong |
| 09:04.36 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:04.38 | DWSR | Stupid question: Does pet's growl really pull aggro from tanks? |
| 09:04.39 | batrick | it seems my addon is still visible through the subversion site: http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=SpellcraftFanUpdate&path=%2F&sc=0 |
| 09:04.45 | batrick | Is there a way tof ix that? |
| 09:04.58 | Arrowmaster | "That is not true when the thing they are both equal to is 0/0. This means that the normal rules of math do not work when you divide by zero." seems like it corrected itself |
| 09:05.41 | Cairenn | batrick: we can delete it for you if you like |
| 09:05.48 | batrick | that would work |
| 09:06.23 | Cairenn | Okay, I'll ask D.olby to remove it when he can. :) |
| 09:06.46 | End | D.olby? More like Via.gra! |
| 09:07.26 | DWSR | Stupid question: Does pet's growl really pull aggro from tanks? |
| 09:07.43 | Cairenn | it can, if the tank hasn't built up enough aggro |
| 09:07.44 | End | it's not a true taunt |
| 09:07.50 | End | yeah |
| 09:07.53 | DWSR | so in other words, tank fail? |
| 09:07.54 | Thunder_Child | is that your addon batrick? |
| 09:07.59 | batrick | it was |
| 09:08.04 | End | so threat dumps or terrible terrible tank is the only place I'd expect it |
| 09:08.11 | Thunder_Child | looks like it's hotcoolers now |
| 09:08.34 | End | (especially now that few hunters are BM) |
| 09:09.02 | DWSR | I'm a lock |
| 09:09.16 | End | well you called it growl :P |
| 09:09.23 | End | correctly say anguish or torment! |
| 09:10.04 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:10.17 | DWSR | same mechanic |
| 09:10.55 | End | although, that's even more tank fail |
| 09:10.58 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:11.03 | DWSR | Is Anguish weaker? |
| 09:11.30 | DWSR | pft. |
| 09:11.35 | End | probably not, actually |
| 09:11.36 | DWSR | I was top DPS in PvP spec |
| 09:11.45 | DWSR | fail DPS |
| 09:11.49 | End | actually |
| 09:11.54 | End | yes, anguish is weaker than growl |
| 09:12.10 | DWSR | I still couldn't believe the tank was complaining |
| 09:12.16 | DWSR | Omen had my pet at like 60% |
| 09:12.20 | DWSR | I'm like O.o |
| 09:12.21 | DWSR | okies... |
| 09:12.34 | End | you probably should turn anguish off, but I can't expect that being a problem |
| 09:12.55 | DWSR | meh. |
| 09:12.59 | selckin | can be annoying on the pull |
| 09:13.00 | DWSR | I would rather aggro fight the tank. |
| 09:13.12 | DWSR | So that my pet can take a hit or 2 if the tank dies |
| 09:13.43 | selckin | if your tank dies and your pet can take 2 hits boot your healers |
| 09:14.00 | DWSR | Yeah, inorite? |
| 09:14.54 | DWSR | It's just heroics though |
| 09:15.04 | DWSR | I got my pet to tank through part of H VH |
| 09:16.12 | selckin | it can tank everything in heroic |
| 09:17.29 | DWSR | Is Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge a tank weapon? |
| 09:17.39 | DWSR | I'm looking to buy it's heirloom for my alt |
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| 09:26.28 | Aiiane | only EVE could manage to have a thread 20 pages long about a name-change |
| 09:26.54 | selckin | only wow players would read it |
| 09:27.06 | Aiiane | obviously not, since I don't currently play WoW :P |
| 09:27.57 | Aiiane | http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494&page=1 |
| 09:28.23 | End | I guess normally CCP doesn't allow name changes |
| 09:28.30 | End | or something |
| 09:30.23 | selckin | eve players are totally crazy anyway |
| 09:30.46 | End | yeah you never know when an indonesian billionaire will try to cut your power |
| 09:31.08 | End | oh wait no, I'm getting confused |
| 09:31.14 | End | Russians would try to cut your power |
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| 09:58.39 | Torhal | Yay. I install an updated nVidia driver and now my USB trackball doesn't work. |
| 09:58.56 | Torhal | I'd be completely fucked if I didn't know how to use Linux. Jeebus. |
| 09:59.47 | nevcairiel | If you use linux, you better know how to use it. |
| 10:00.13 | Torhal | :P |
| 10:01.00 | Torhal | Now I need to figure out if I can surf the web with my keyboard alone. :D |
| 10:02.02 | Torhal | Fail |
| 10:03.41 | Torhal | Now if only I knew how to get to the Gnome panel with my keyboard. Yay. |
| 10:05.50 | Torhal | ...and lsusb shows "Logitech, Inc. Cordless Mouse Receiver" |
| 10:05.59 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.18 | bleeter | hah nvidia |
| 10:10.52 | Shirik | confirm/deny: |
| 10:11.03 | nevcairiel | denied. |
| 10:11.23 | Shirik | For any value of n and p, sqrt(1/n^2 * (n * p^2)) == p |
| 10:11.47 | bleeter | 42 |
| 10:12.00 | Shirik | lua> math.sqrt(1/16*(4*.8^2)) |
| 10:12.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.4 |
| 10:12.04 | Shirik | deny >.> |
| 10:12.15 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 10:12.19 | Shirik | Actually, I guess it's not odd |
| 10:12.30 | Shirik | never mind me >.> |
| 10:14.31 | nevcairiel | You're right, its not odd =P |
| 10:14.37 | Shefki | bleeter: :P |
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| 10:20.09 | Mike-N-Go | The sky is falling!!!! |
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| 10:20.49 | Torhal | Feh |
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| 10:22.30 | Mike-N-Go | My question: Is the new policy going to be retroactive? |
| 10:25.16 | Cairenn|afk | I've asked, haven't gotten a response yet, but I would /presume/ that it is effective immediately for anything newly created or updated since the announcement of the policy and that there would be a grace period for those that were created before/haven't been updated since to comply |
| 10:25.40 | Cairenn|afk | anything else wouldn't make sense |
| 10:25.58 | Mike-N-Go | Last I checked, isn't it unjust for public policy to be retroactive? |
| 10:26.36 | Cairenn|afk | some places will have a "grandfather" policy, others won't, it's up to them |
| 10:27.27 | Cairenn|afk | and as I said, even if they are going to require everyone to comply, they're bound to give a "grace period" ... they can't just say "this is the policy, you have to comply NOW!!!!, not 5 minutes from now, RIGHT NOW!" |
| 10:27.31 | Mike-N-Go | At any rate, this new policy seems like a death blow to people who depended on their addon to provide income. |
| 10:27.39 | Cairenn|afk | no it isn't |
| 10:28.00 | Mike-N-Go | Oh? |
| 10:28.12 | Cairenn|afk | authors can still ask for donations |
| 10:28.28 | Cairenn|afk | they just can't have a request /in-game/ |
| 10:28.34 | nevcairiel | Well if you really *depend* on the income and sold the addon before, switching to donations might seriously limit that income |
| 10:28.42 | Cairenn|afk | or may not |
| 10:28.56 | Cairenn|afk | if people like it enough, they may very well keep "donating" |
| 10:28.59 | DWSR | Donations can be fairly profitable, if your product is good enough |
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| 10:29.19 | DWSR | Which is pretty much how capitalism works |
| 10:29.32 | Mike-N-Go | If not a blow of death, it may severally restrain said income. |
| 10:29.44 | Cairenn|afk | anyway, I need to sleep, night guys |
| 10:29.50 | nevcairiel | night |
| 10:29.53 | Mike-N-Go | Night, Cairenn|afk ! |
| 10:30.22 | Torhal | Then again, there is an entitlement attitude nowadays. I went into a computre store a couple of weeks ago. They were selling two T-shirts, both showing skulls with eyepatches and bandannas. One said "Software Pirate", the other said "Music Pirate" |
| 10:30.59 | DWSR | I'd take both and stick them together. |
| 10:31.07 | Shirik | ROFL, check out this question from stats prof: |
| 10:31.14 | Wraithan | I am a Pirate Pirate |
| 10:31.15 | Wraithan | <.< |
| 10:31.17 | Shirik | The coach of the Embry-Riddle football team read somewhere that more intelligent people make worse football players. The IQ's of the football team are normally distributed, with mean 105 and standard deviation 10. The coach wants to cut the 10% of players with the highest IQ's. How high should a player's IQ be for him to be cut from the team? |
| 10:31.23 | Wraithan | No pun intended of course |
| 10:31.36 | nevcairiel | Shirik: lol |
| 10:31.53 | krka | been too long since i took that kind of math courses |
| 10:31.59 | nevcairiel | Its a valid stats problem, but the scenario is awesome |
| 10:32.04 | Shirik | Exactly :) |
| 10:32.06 | Shirik | The problem itself is easy |
| 10:32.13 | Shirik | I just like the scenario |
| 10:32.25 | DWSR | indeed |
| 10:32.29 | DWSR | Football players *are* stupid. |
| 10:32.45 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Higher then the other guys. |
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| 10:32.49 | krka | do you mean real football or american football? |
| 10:32.56 | nevcairiel | american, probably |
| 10:32.59 | DWSR | American |
| 10:33.16 | DWSR | They're making another Fast & Furious vid? |
| 10:33.18 | DWSR | Seriously |
| 10:33.22 | Torhal | I'm from America and I have NO fucking clue why it's called football here. |
| 10:33.31 | DWSR | Torhal: Nor do I, but that's how I grew up. |
| 10:33.34 | DWSR | and it stuck. |
| 10:33.41 | Mike-N-Go | Torhal: Because it is played with the foot? |
| 10:33.46 | nevcairiel | I was about to ask why its even caleld football, you run and throw the damn ball, no? :P |
| 10:33.47 | DWSR | But it's definitely fucking zed you illiterate Yanks. |
| 10:33.50 | DWSR | sorry. |
| 10:33.51 | DWSR | f***ing |
| 10:34.15 | Cairenn|afk | DWSR: I have to ask, where are you from? (country) |
| 10:34.19 | DWSR | Canada |
| 10:34.21 | Torhal | Torhal: American football is only kicked during a specific portion of the game. |
| 10:34.28 | Cairenn|afk | zomg, another canukian! |
| 10:34.34 | DWSR | Torhal: That would be....every 4th down and the kickoff? |
| 10:34.38 | Cairenn|afk | province? |
| 10:34.45 | DWSR | Oh, and the free point kick unless they try to convert (which never happens). |
| 10:34.47 | Shirik | The answer to the problem is 117.8, btw. Is that a high IQ? I don't know enough about IQs to know |
| 10:34.49 | DWSR | Cairenn|afk: COntario. |
| 10:34.57 | Torhal | Torhal: And not through the entirety of the game, as is done in "socer" |
| 10:34.58 | Mike-N-Go | nevcairiel: You run with your foot? |
| 10:35.01 | Torhal | s/socer/soccer/ |
| 10:35.02 | zenzio | IQs are misleading |
| 10:35.05 | Cairenn|afk | <== Bluenoser, stuck in Ontario |
| 10:35.09 | nevcairiel | Mike-N-Go: you do that in every other game <.< |
| 10:35.14 | DWSR | Cairenn|afk: aww... So nice out there |
| 10:35.24 | DWSR | Where in Ontario? |
| 10:35.27 | Cairenn|afk | Ottawa |
| 10:35.30 | Mike-N-Go | nevcairiel: Then why not call everything football? If it requires steps and balls? |
| 10:35.32 | DWSR | ... |
| 10:35.34 | DWSR | No fucking shit. |
| 10:35.35 | Shirik | Canada is too cold |
| 10:35.42 | DWSR | Cairenn|afk: Where in? |
| 10:35.48 | Cairenn|afk | west end |
| 10:35.55 | Cairenn|afk | Shirik: I'm about to |
| 10:35.57 | DWSR | Heh, I'm currently attending uOttawa. |
| 10:35.57 | Shirik | ! |
| 10:36.00 | nevcairiel | Mike-N-Go: because it would get confusing! :) |
| 10:36.04 | Shirik | To US? |
| 10:36.08 | Cairenn|afk | oh |
| 10:36.12 | Mike-N-Go | What do I care? |
| 10:36.21 | Mike-N-Go | I do not care much about foot and ball. |
| 10:36.28 | Cairenn|afk | lol, I thought you meant why didn't I leave the channel to go sleep like I said I was doing ;) |
| 10:36.33 | Cairenn|afk | and on that note |
| 10:36.40 | Shirik | No, I gave up on telling you to go to sleep |
| 10:36.40 | Aelobin | =o youre not afk |
| 10:36.43 | Aelobin | liezzzz |
| 10:36.58 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you have no right to anyway, with your weird sleeping times |
| 10:37.00 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 10:37.01 | Mike-N-Go | Quick! Lets ping Cairenn|afk so her speakers sound. |
| 10:37.06 | Aelobin | rofl |
| 10:37.07 | DWSR | Cairenn|afk |
| 10:37.09 | DWSR | :D |
| 10:37.12 | DWSR | I'm down |
| 10:37.12 | Aelobin | Cairenn|afk: |
| 10:37.12 | nevcairiel | don't be so mean |
| 10:37.14 | nevcairiel | let her sleep |
| 10:37.15 | DWSR | done* |
| 10:37.30 | DWSR | pft, it's 6:40am here |
| 10:37.32 | Mike-N-Go | It is like a chain letter. |
| 10:37.39 | DWSR | Time to GET UP |
| 10:37.42 | DWSR | And go to work/class |
| 10:37.43 | Torhal | Sonofabitch. Installed the newest nVidia driver and my framerates are still dropping to under 10 |
| 10:37.55 | nevcairiel | Torhal: maybe your hardware is just slow? :) |
| 10:38.16 | Mike-N-Go | DWSR: Night and morning are relative to when someone is leaving and joining, respectively, on IRC. |
| 10:38.18 | Torhal | Nope. I'm getting 20-50FPS then suddenly 6-8 |
| 10:38.30 | nevcairiel | Hm weird |
| 10:38.33 | DWSR | Mike-N-Go: As I live in the same local timezone as her |
| 10:38.40 | nevcairiel | I never had issues with the 180 driver series |
| 10:38.48 | Torhal | A /rl doesn't fix it. Have to exit WoW and restart |
| 10:38.48 | nevcairiel | 178 was a bit weird |
| 10:39.01 | nevcairiel | try /console gxrestart when it happens |
| 10:39.03 | DWSR | Mike-N-Go: I was making the statement that her sleeping schedule is wierd, but like mine atm |
| 10:39.09 | Torhal | I was using 177, had the same issue, just installed 180 and it seems to happen sooner. |
| 10:39.27 | Torhal | I'll try that |
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| 10:40.04 | Torhal | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:40.07 | Torhal | D'oh |
| 10:40.09 | nevcairiel | I suppose you do use OpenGL and not D3D? :) |
| 10:40.24 | haste | bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
| 10:40.25 | Torhal | Nope, that didn't work and it also makes my keyboard not work under WoW |
| 10:40.33 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:40.40 | Torhal | Aye. not only is it in my Config.wtf, but I launch WoW with --opengl |
| 10:40.41 | nevcairiel | its suppose to restart the gx engine |
| 10:40.49 | nevcairiel | its only -opengl afaik |
| 10:40.54 | nevcairiel | but if its in the config.wtf too |
| 10:41.00 | haste | I use both |
| 10:41.19 | DWSR | lol just saw a commercial for hte Nicoret inhaler. |
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| 10:41.29 | haste | SET gxApi "opengl" in Config.wtf and -opengl -nosound |
| 10:41.31 | DWSR | Is smoking that addictive, seriously? |
| 10:41.45 | Shirik | uh |
| 10:41.49 | Shirik | that's been around for at least 8 years now |
| 10:41.50 | nevcairiel | how can you miss out on all the nice music in game |
| 10:42.02 | haste | becaues of VT and my music! |
| 10:42.03 | DWSR | Shirik: Never seen one or seen that commercial before |
| 10:42.08 | DWSR | regardless, my question |
| 10:42.21 | haste | DWSR: 8/10 get addicted or so |
| 10:42.22 | nevcairiel | At least while leveling the music had such a nice feel for the zones |
| 10:42.38 | haste | when I level I'm a zombie |
| 10:42.39 | Shirik | I don't find the purpose of nicorette/etc. |
| 10:42.58 | haste | I need somenoe to talk to while doing it, or I cba Yp |
| 10:43.10 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:44.25 | DWSR | haste: Yeah, but I mean, how addictive is nicotine on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being 1 hit hooked and 1 being not at all |
| 10:44.30 | DWSR | Like 5, 6? |
| 10:44.51 | Wraithan | You know there is a warning sign when you start smoking |
| 10:44.54 | nevcairiel | You do have to do it for a while to get addicted |
| 10:44.57 | Wraithan | You feel like you are going to die. |
| 10:45.18 | Shirik | I wonder why that is |
| 10:45.19 | DWSR | I took up smoking for like 2 months. |
| 10:45.26 | DWSR | Quit after that, had cravings for like 2 days. |
| 10:45.29 | Shirik | maybe because your lungs weren't made for smoking |
| 10:45.31 | DWSR | And they weren't even that bad. |
| 10:45.43 | Wraithan | Shirik: kinda my point heh |
| 10:45.53 | DWSR | So I've never understood these quitting assistance things. They for people who've been smoking for years or what? |
| 10:45.57 | Shirik | Like, I know I'm not a biologist or anything, but I'm fairly certain your lungs expect air |
| 10:45.59 | haste | DWSR: one hit == addicted, 8/10 |
| 10:46.02 | nevcairiel | Some people just don't have the mental strength to stop, and give in their desire again |
| 10:46.07 | haste | DWSR: what I heard last week or so at least |
| 10:46.27 | DWSR | haste: So what's a 10? |
| 10:46.29 | DWSR | Heroine? |
| 10:46.34 | haste | no idea |
| 10:46.43 | haste | think it's 8/10 people that tried it or so |
| 10:46.57 | haste | wikipedia might know more :)( |
| 10:47.01 | Wraithan | I have an addictive personality |
| 10:47.08 | DWSR | lol |
| 10:47.11 | Wraithan | So I avoid stuff like that like the plague |
| 10:47.25 | Wraithan | Even hard for me to stop drinking caffeine for a while |
| 10:47.27 | DWSR | I like pot so much more than nicotine. Smoke's sweeter, it's cheaper, and it's a better rush |
| 10:47.33 | bleeter | nevcairiel: the mental thing was easy for me, the physical was near impossible |
| 10:47.33 | Aelobin | if people have the mental power to quit, why do they just not get addicted? or does that sound stupid |
| 10:48.07 | DWSR | Aelobin: Because addiction is more than just mental in some cases. It's physical as well, in the case of nicotine anyway |
| 10:48.12 | nevcairiel | bleeter: well the physical withdrawel causes your force of will to weaken too |
| 10:48.15 | bleeter | nevcairiel: I used Varenicline (Chantix/Champix). Bloody awesome stuff. |
| 10:48.52 | Aelobin | DWSR: but if some people have the power to overcome that addiction and quit, surely they could also overcome it whenever they want (and not be addicted( |
| 10:49.12 | bleeter | I used to smoke roll-my-own, so the docs and pharmacists would always ask 'what strength and how many a day?' when recommended patches and gum and crap |
| 10:49.25 | bleeter | complete waste of time trying to measure that for pipe/rollies |
| 10:49.54 | bleeter | hence, failed using those methods (I believe).. the pills? went from ~20-30 a day to 2 in under a week, then just stopped |
| 10:49.56 | DWSR | yeah |
| 10:50.20 | Shirik | bleeter smoked? |
| 10:50.23 | DWSR | Aelobin: Ah, I see your point. |
| 10:50.26 | DWSR | Aelobin: It depends. |
| 10:50.32 | Shirik | No wonder his head is so messed up |
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| 10:50.47 | DWSR | Aelobin: From experience, it can be easier to just start smoking and then quit later, due to temporary reasons |
| 10:50.54 | DWSR | extreme depression, for instance. |
| 10:51.12 | Aelobin | ah, well i've never smoked once so i guess i'm only seeing half the picture :P |
| 10:51.17 | DWSR | Most likely. |
| 10:51.28 | bleeter | nicotine's one of the most addictive substances on the market, closely followed by coffee |
| 10:51.37 | bleeter | alcohol's not that far away either |
| 10:51.44 | Wraithan | Yum, coffee! |
| 10:52.01 | bleeter | then there's petrochemicals and gambling... notice how the govt has hooks into all these legal addictions? ;) |
| 10:52.16 | Shirik | uh |
| 10:52.23 | Shirik | how does the government regulate coffee? |
| 10:53.15 | bleeter | it's one of the more addictive non-regulated substances. standard sales taxes. |
| 10:53.16 | DWSR | import taxes |
| 10:53.21 | bleeter | and imports, aye |
| 10:53.31 | Shirik | taxes? |
| 10:53.38 | Shirik | I guess they're hidden well |
| 10:54.03 | bleeter | when you're taxing a volume of sales of that amount, even a small tax is a big earner |
| 10:54.04 | DWSR | yes |
| 10:54.19 | Shirik | Yeah but at Starbucks I still see the standard tax rate |
| 10:54.27 | Shirik | so I guess it's being done behind-the-scenes |
| 10:54.27 | DWSR | Shirik: You don't see the tax because the importer pays it and passes it onto you as the price before tax |
| 10:54.45 | bleeter | there's also the child slave labor cost foo, kinda like with the chocolate industry |
| 10:54.48 | DWSR | lol |
| 10:54.50 | bleeter | 'we' don't care about that, 'coz we're addicted |
| 10:55.07 | Shirik | for the record |
| 10:55.14 | Shirik | I have been caffeine free for nearly 6 months now |
| 10:55.15 | Shirik | so rawr |
| 10:55.17 | bleeter | look at how the US senate killed the bans on the child labor in chocolate foo |
| 10:55.38 | bleeter | or at least, killed the enquiry into banning some chocolate companies due to their 'support' of child labor |
| 10:56.03 | Shirik | I would love to see the US try to ban chocolate |
| 10:56.06 | bleeter | chocolate's a mildly addictive substance |
| 10:56.09 | Shirik | maybe for april 1 |
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| 10:56.37 | DWSR | bleeter: Caffeine |
| 10:56.40 | bleeter | well that's the thing, they wanted to have some kinda labelling 'no child labor used in manufature' or some crap |
| 10:56.42 | DWSR | in the chocolate |
| 10:56.47 | bleeter | and it was all killed |
| 10:57.01 | Arrowmaster | honestly its not our place to be trying to tell other countries or companys in other countires what to do, those kids gota eat and theyll end up either working somewhere or starving i bet |
| 10:57.28 | DWSR | ^ |
| 10:57.39 | DWSR | It's bad, but it could be worse, etc. |
| 10:58.13 | zenzio | the third world will get their revenge when their social and political status rises and the western civilization has to adjust to no longer exploiting them for labor |
| 10:58.35 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I think the principal intended was 'we don't permit 4 y/o children to be slave labour here, therefore products utilising such labor should be easily identifiable' |
| 10:58.38 | Arrowmaster | but we exploit china too and its not a third world country |
| 10:58.51 | bleeter | wut? |
| 10:59.29 | Arrowmaster | ok i shouldnt say exploit since china perty much owns the US because of the national debt right? |
| 10:59.30 | bleeter | china's like australia.. huge areas of 3rd world poverty, disease and dispair |
| 11:00.53 | bleeter | ~Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan++ |
| 11:01.14 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Do you have all of your settings turned up to maximum? The only thing I have off is shadows, and I have View Distance to 3/4 |
| 11:01.14 | bleeter | bah I can never remmeber the karma bot tag thingie |
| 11:01.35 | nevcairiel | Torhal: i had all maxxed except shadows completly off too |
| 11:01.41 | zenzio | bleeter: what about it? Seemed correct if you were trying to increases his karma |
| 11:01.56 | Torhal | Then mayhap I should turn CPU profiling on and see if an addon is dragging me down. |
| 11:02.16 | DWSR | Torhal: I run over 200 addons |
| 11:02.22 | zenzio | or just disable addons and see first |
| 11:02.27 | zenzio | if it helps, then try to profile |
| 11:02.27 | DWSR | You framerate drop from addons should be exceedingly minimal |
| 11:03.25 | bleeter | zenzio: can never remember if this # runs karma on ~ or ! bots ;) |
| 11:03.42 | zenzio | it's ~, at least for purl |
| 11:03.46 | Torhal | DWSR: I ran close to 300, myself. |
| 11:03.47 | DWSR | ^ |
| 11:03.47 | zenzio | ~karma bleeter |
| 11:03.48 | purl | bleeter has neutral karma |
| 11:03.52 | zenzio | ~bleeter++ |
| 11:04.02 | zenzio | ~karma bleeter |
| 11:04.02 | purl | bleeter has karma of 1 |
| 11:04.07 | zenzio | stop spam-controlling me purl :( |
| 11:04.16 | Torhal | And considering that a reloadui and a gxrestart doesn't fix the issue, it can't be an addon. |
| 11:04.45 | bleeter | Torhal: apologies, I've not been following. But are you attempting inside a desktop environment or just a straight X session? |
| 11:04.47 | Torhal | I have damn good FPS at first, then after 30m to 1h it dies. |
| 11:04.57 | DWSR | heat issues? |
| 11:04.58 | Torhal | bleeter: Gnome. |
| 11:05.12 | Torhal | DWSR: If that were the case, it wouldn't be fixed by restarting WoW. |
| 11:05.13 | bleeter | 'coz best advice for FPS issues in WIne, is ditch the desktop and login straight to X with WoW starting up |
| 11:05.24 | bleeter | yar, I'd blame gnome |
| 11:05.31 | bleeter | or at least be having a long hard look at it |
| 11:05.39 | DWSR | Torhal: IF you restart it immediately, I suppose not |
| 11:05.47 | bleeter | if one has performance spike/issues |
| 11:06.27 | Torhal | It starts at 20-50FPS, and stays that way for a good 30m to 1h, then falls to 6-8FPS and is only remedied by restarting WoW. |
| 11:06.46 | DWSR | Why not using D3d? |
| 11:06.50 | Torhal | Linux. |
| 11:06.55 | DWSR | Why not using D3d? |
| 11:06.59 | Torhal | :P |
| 11:06.59 | Wraithan | Sounds like a memory leak |
| 11:07.06 | DWSR | Srsly. |
| 11:07.07 | Torhal | Wraithan: That's what I was thinking, but where? |
| 11:07.10 | bleeter | seriously, get outside of gnome. xfce at least, ideally just a straight X session with nothing else. |
| 11:07.15 | bleeter | Torhal: I'd blame GNome |
| 11:07.26 | Wraithan | Yuck, gnome |
| 11:07.30 | Wraithan | xmonad ftw |
| 11:08.15 | bleeter | I'd at least try it under a different environment, but as I say ideally in it's own standalone WoW Only one to start with, no desktop crap with gnomeconf crap etc. |
| 11:08.33 | bleeter | god i'm so tired why did I agree to 11pm raid tonight :( |
| 11:08.40 | bleeter | I know |
| 11:08.40 | DWSR | bleeter: fail |
| 11:08.44 | bleeter | Basic stupidity 101 |
| 11:08.48 | bleeter | DWSR: yup |
| 11:08.50 | DWSR | Anyone here play on US-Nazjatar? |
| 11:08.53 | Wraithan | I would check out ram usage periodically, or put up a display in conky |
| 11:08.58 | Torhal | I'll try the standalone, and if that works I'll use it for raiding, but otherwise it's fail because I write addons :) |
| 11:09.01 | Wraithan | US-Shadowsong here |
| 11:09.55 | Wraithan | Eh, gnome is crap anyway, cut the fat and go with something nice and lightweight :D |
| 11:10.28 | Wraithan | Still wish I had xmonad on windows =( |
| 11:12.10 | DWSR | Wraithan: Huh, neat idea. |
| 11:12.25 | DWSR | I have to say that it drives me nuts just having that many windows open anyway though. Tabbs ftw. |
| 11:12.29 | DWSR | tabs, even |
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| 11:14.08 | DWSR | omg, they're actually making another Fast and Furious movie. |
| 11:14.16 | DWSR | You've got to be fucking joking. |
| 11:14.21 | Arrowmaster | already made |
| 11:14.28 | Arrowmaster | comes out in a week or two i think |
| 11:14.35 | DWSR | semantics |
| 11:14.44 | DWSR | Doesn't change the suck factor |
| 11:14.56 | Torhal | DWSR: 90% of the populace being easily amused sheep == NASCAR and Fast and Furious. |
| 11:15.02 | Torhal | :D |
| 11:15.11 | DWSR | true |
| 11:16.57 | bleeter | I am not 90% of the populace |
| 11:17.07 | Torhal | I was waiting for that :) |
| 11:17.08 | bleeter | what a terrible thought :-s |
| 11:18.22 | DWSR | lol |
| 11:21.50 | Wraithan | Anyone here use the refer-a-friend stuff, I have a question |
| 11:21.56 | DWSR | yes |
| 11:22.08 | Wraithan | The levels you can give, is that per account or per character |
| 11:22.13 | DWSR | account |
| 11:22.29 | Wraithan | Ah ok, good |
| 11:26.13 | Arrowmaster | you know i find it insulting to be considered the same as 90% of the populace, but i dont think the fast and furious movies are that bad |
| 11:27.33 | Wraithan | I like them for what they are |
| 11:27.34 | Arrowmaster | but i guess the fact that the last two game discs to go in my 360 have been burnout paradise and project gothem racing 4 might be an indicator that i like racing |
| 11:27.57 | Wraithan | They are not complex movies but the stunts look cool |
| 11:27.59 | DWSR | I agree with Wraithan |
| 11:28.12 | DWSR | They're not great movies, but they're better than a romantic comedy any day. |
| 11:28.18 | Wraithan | Heh |
| 11:28.20 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 11:28.22 | Wraithan | Depends on how drunk I am... |
| 11:28.44 | DWSR | I can safely say that because F&F turns my gf on more than Mathew whatshisface |
| 11:28.55 | Arrowmaster | this a bad time to admit im a softy for dramas too? |
| 11:28.57 | Wraithan | Though, to be honest, I like some romantic comedies |
| 11:29.19 | Wraithan | DWSR: haha same |
| 11:29.32 | DWSR | Oh jesus lord murphy. |
| 11:29.41 | Wraithan | And my girlfriend loves Kung-fu movies |
| 11:29.43 | DWSR | Emergining 147 of 500 packages for my KDE4 desktop |
| 11:29.54 | DWSR | Wraithan: My gf's favs are Die Hard. |
| 11:30.03 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 11:30.40 | DWSR | I know |
| 11:30.43 | DWSR | She's awesome :D |
| 11:30.43 | Wraithan | DWSR: could be an indicator of your future, "Die Hard" that is. |
| 11:30.50 | DWSR | lol |
| 11:31.25 | Arrowmaster | you know i have all the die hard movies on dvd within rolling distance of my chair |
| 11:31.45 | Wraithan | Mine are within clicking distance. |
| 11:31.56 | DWSR | ^ |
| 11:32.09 | Arrowmaster | bargin bin ftw |
| 11:32.18 | Arrowmaster | higher quality |
| 11:32.24 | Wraithan | Than what? |
| 11:32.32 | Arrowmaster | than dvd rips |
| 11:32.37 | Wraithan | I have a terabyte harddrive I ripped all my movies to |
| 11:32.40 | Wraithan | I beg to differ |
| 11:32.46 | DWSR | indeed |
| 11:32.52 | Arrowmaster | i have a terabyte of harddrive space i filled up 5 years ago |
| 11:33.07 | Wraithan | Maybe if I compressed all my movies, but I don't |
| 11:33.23 | Wraithan | I have about 80 or so on there |
| 11:33.26 | Arrowmaster | kinda hard to compress binary data |
| 11:33.53 | DWSR | have less? |
| 11:33.56 | Wraithan | Ok, better term, transcode them |
| 11:34.25 | Wraithan | I don't change the encoding, so ripping results in the same quality as before |
| 11:34.59 | Arrowmaster | you rip them directly to mpeg2? |
| 11:35.14 | Wraithan | As DVD ISOs |
| 11:35.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah that takes up too much room for me |
| 11:35.54 | DWSR | I usually use x264 |
| 11:35.58 | Wraithan | I don't keep my whole collection on there, just stuff I am liable to watch on a more than once a year basis |
| 11:36.04 | Arrowmaster | you know a single christmas gift saved me over 100gb of harddrive space |
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| 11:36.20 | DWSR | ? |
| 11:36.30 | Arrowmaster | stargate box set, 50 dvds =D |
| 11:36.43 | Wraithan | Never really got into SG |
| 11:36.44 | DWSR | rofl |
| 11:36.47 | DWSR | SG1? |
| 11:36.51 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:36.58 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 11:37.02 | DWSR | Watched them all |
| 11:37.06 | DWSR | Got them in a 10GB torrent. |
| 11:37.18 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: well, then you have room for SG:U :) |
| 11:37.19 | DWSR | obviously not DVDRips. |
| 11:37.40 | Arrowmaster | my rips were 350mb an epsoide |
| 11:37.44 | Wraithan | If you are only on a 15-21in display having perfect quality doesn't matter |
| 11:37.45 | Maldivia | all episodes in 10gb... that is one lousy quality then |
| 11:38.02 | Torhal | bleeter: Strangely enough, WoW is less stable in standalone mode. |
| 11:38.11 | Wraithan | Torhal: seriously? |
| 11:38.21 | Wraithan | You got your vid drivers setup right? |
| 11:38.33 | Torhal | Wraithan: Seriously. I tried three times to make shoveltusk steak using Revelation, WoW crashed every time. |
| 11:39.03 | Torhal | Wraithan: I didn't edit my Xorg config, if that's what you're asking. |
| 11:39.38 | Wraithan | Recently started happening? |
| 11:39.46 | Torhal | Overall framerates were better in standalone, by a margin of 5-10, but using an addon shouldn't crash the client. |
| 11:39.46 | Arrowmaster | im reminded that i still need to make room and torrent farscape again since i have no chance in hell of getting the dvds and the harddrive i had the first downloads on died |
| 11:39.48 | Wraithan | The problem in general that is |
| 11:40.50 | Torhal | Wraithan: I got a new board/CPU a few days ago. Yesterday, I got a new GPU (was using the onboard one as an interim thing) and an additional 4GB RAM. |
| 11:41.02 | Torhal | The onboard was a shitty ATI |
| 11:41.04 | Wraithan | memtest86? |
| 11:41.10 | Torhal | Meh. |
| 11:41.10 | DWSR | ^ |
| 11:41.11 | Wraithan | and are you watching your temps? |
| 11:41.16 | Torhal | Temps are fine. |
| 11:41.36 | Torhal | I just made the shoveltusks under Gnome. Worked fine. |
| 11:41.38 | Wraithan | I would start memtest up before you go to sleep |
| 11:42.08 | DWSR | Torhal: It's times like these I'm glad I dual-booted. |
| 11:42.20 | DWSR | That and the fact that Wine doesn't work with Steam |
| 11:43.15 | Wraithan | Yeah, I run windows because of my games |
| 11:43.15 | Torhal | DWSR: That's the funny thing. I tried to boot to my XP drive. Windows reboots every time. Guess it has something to do with the fact that I'm now running a quad-core 64-bit CPU, whereas the machine XP was installed on was a single 32-bitter |
| 11:43.32 | Torhal | ...and I no longer have my damn XP CD. |
| 11:43.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah windows doesnt work that way |
| 11:43.36 | Wraithan | Was it AMD before? |
| 11:43.39 | Arrowmaster | you have to reinstall |
| 11:43.41 | Torhal | Wraithan: Yup |
| 11:43.44 | DWSR | Torhal: You need to reinstall. |
| 11:43.45 | Wraithan | That would do it |
| 11:43.52 | DWSR | I suggest you use nLite and just install a stripped copy of XP SP2. |
| 11:43.54 | Torhal | It's AMD now, too :) |
| 11:44.00 | DWSR | Still the best for games. Not a memory whore like Vista. |
| 11:44.14 | Wraithan | I have only gotten cpu/mobo changes to work intel->intel |
| 11:44.23 | Torhal | Ah |
| 11:44.24 | DWSR | I hate AMD tbh. |
| 11:44.29 | DWSR | This laptop has it, sucks. |
| 11:44.41 | Wraithan | DWSR: Eh, Vista 64, gotta have my RAM |
| 11:44.53 | DWSR | Never want to run Vista ever again |
| 11:44.59 | DWSR | XP > Vista. Still |
| 11:45.00 | Wraithan | Vista ain't bad |
| 11:45.02 | Torhal | Indeed, I have 6GB RAM now...XP would suck my will to live now. |
| 11:45.03 | DWSR | After like 3 years |
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| 11:45.12 | DWSR | Torhal: Why? XP 64 bit or PAE. |
| 11:45.17 | Torhal | I don't have a key for 64bit XP |
| 11:45.27 | DWSR | That should be a reason to stop you why? |
| 11:45.31 | DWSR | MS EoL'ed XP |
| 11:45.34 | DWSR | they don't care. |
| 11:46.13 | Torhal | They haven't EOL'd it yet - I still get the annoying Tuesday "ZOMG! YOU HAEV UPDAETZ!" popup. |
| 11:46.34 | DWSR | Well, they were going to EoL it. |
| 11:46.38 | DWSR | I believe they've stopped shipping it. |
| 11:46.43 | Arrowmaster | i think i killed that process a few weeks ago because i didnt want to reboot |
| 11:46.51 | Torhal | Yup. Keeps getting pushed back because people bitching about Vista |
| 11:46.54 | DWSR | yeah |
| 11:47.06 | DWSR | Regardless, they don't give a shit. Go out and pirate it. |
| 11:47.17 | DWSR | And yes, I said Shit on Freenode. |
| 11:47.19 | DWSR | Sue me. |
| 11:47.20 | Torhal | Yah, I kill it too but the power grid here is arse so the machine reboots anyway. |
| 11:47.27 | bleeter | .... |
| 11:47.42 | Arrowmaster | meh my next computer is going pure linux, ive had enough with MS shit |
| 11:47.54 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: If you don't play games, you'll be happy. |
| 11:48.00 | DWSR | If you do, you're going to be just as miserable. |
| 11:48.01 | Arrowmaster | i do play games |
| 11:48.08 | DWSR | You're going to be a miserable sod. |
| 11:48.10 | Torhal | So have I, and I hadn't used Linux in three years. I sorely missed it. I do NOT want to go back to Windows, |
| 11:48.36 | DWSR | Torhal: I'm telling you, just run a superslim copy of XP 64 bit or use PAE. |
| 11:48.37 | Torhal | Cygwin? Feh. |
| 11:48.47 | Arrowmaster | PAE? |
| 11:48.55 | DWSR | Physical Adress Extension |
| 11:48.58 | bleeter | DWSR: please don't advocate software piracy in front of a bunch of software authors |
| 11:49.04 | Torhal | I do not LIKE Windows. Never have. Been using Unixen since around '89 |
| 11:49.11 | DWSR | More than 4GB of RAM in a 32 bit system. |
| 11:49.20 | Torhal | Hell, I've been on the Internet since '89 |
| 11:49.26 | DWSR | bleeter: I be a dev too. Just not for WoW. |
| 11:49.46 | Torhal | DWSR: Not possible. |
| 11:49.53 | Teomyr | XP 32-bit never goes above 4GB even with PAE, for compatibility reasons |
| 11:49.56 | Torhal | You can't address the memory space with a 32-bit CPU |
| 11:50.25 | DWSR | You get near and far addresses. |
| 11:50.32 | DWSR | wiki teim |
| 11:50.45 | Wraithan | Torhal: It has nothing to do with the CPU |
| 11:50.57 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 11:51.00 | Wraithan | Well it does, but can be gone around |
| 11:51.18 | Teomyr | the only reason why XP supports PAE is to make use of NX/DEP. it could theoretically address the higher memory areas as well, but many drivers are so badly written that microsoft chose to disable that |
| 11:51.20 | DWSR | The x86 processor hardware is augmented with additional address lines used to select the additional memory, so physical address size is increased from 32 bits to 36 bits. This increases maximum physical memory size from 4 GB to 64 GB. The 32-bit size of the virtual address is not changed, so regular application software continues to use instructions with 32-bit addresses and (in a flat memory model) is limited to 4 gigabytes of virtual address space. |
| 11:51.28 | Torhal | Wraithan: Ok, THAT I can understand...I was hard pressed to figure out how to tell you that it DOES have to do with the CPU :) |
| 11:52.11 | DWSR | So, 64 bit or 32 with PAE. |
| 11:52.32 | DWSR | Regardless, run XP. Not even worth pissing around with Wine, after having done it 3 times. |
| 11:52.41 | DWSR | (meaning install and config it 3 times). |
| 11:52.47 | Arrowmaster | "However, desktop versions of Windows (Windows XP, Windows Vista) limit physical address space to 4 GB for driver compatibility reasons." |
| 11:52.58 | Wraithan | Anyone run XP64 when it was beta? |
| 11:53.05 | Torhal | Leave it to Arrowmaster to lay the smack down. |
| 11:53.10 | Wraithan | Or even when it was out of beta, before Vista came out |
| 11:53.23 | DWSR | Wraithan: Yes. |
| 11:53.31 | Wraithan | Was HORRIBLE |
| 11:53.33 | Arrowmaster | doesnt xp64 use vista patches anyway? |
| 11:53.40 | Wraithan | Now yes |
| 11:53.50 | Arrowmaster | so is it just like vista lite? |
| 11:53.52 | DWSR | Wraithan: Yes. |
| 11:53.57 | DWSR | Did you ever use Vista when it was Longhorn? |
| 11:54.02 | Wraithan | Yup |
| 11:54.07 | DWSR | SSDD |
| 11:54.15 | Wraithan | Yup |
| 11:54.43 | DWSR | regardless, nLite and go |
| 11:55.44 | Arrowmaster | the problem with dual booting is the rebooting |
| 11:55.55 | DWSR | If you strip your installation, it doesn't take that long. |
| 11:56.08 | DWSR | If you're going to be starting/closing gnome anyway, it'll probably be the same amount of time |
| 11:56.15 | Arrowmaster | no but everything previously running isnt anymore |
| 11:56.16 | Torhal | Ok, I definitely have some issues. I tabbed back to WoW from here about 2 minutes ago, took about 10 steps, and the drive started thrashing. It still is. |
| 11:56.30 | Torhal | WoW is completely locked. |
| 11:56.32 | Torhal | Blargh. |
| 11:56.33 | DWSR | Torhal: Sounds like you should memtest. srsly. |
| 11:56.39 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 11:57.21 | DWSR | bad mem caused the windows installer to be unable to format my HDD during installation |
| 11:57.24 | DWSR | Was so wierd. |
| 11:57.38 | DWSR | thought it was PSU or broken mobo or something |
| 11:58.39 | DWSR | anyone got a link to an XP iso? |
| 11:58.55 | DWSR | I don't have my OEM one with me |
| 12:00.52 | DWSR | anyway, out. later all] |
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| 12:05.54 | Shirik | there's a new one |
| 12:05.58 | Shirik | "Application Experience has stopped working..." |
| 12:06.04 | Shirik | explorer's still running |
| 12:06.06 | Shirik | but I now have no desktop |
| 12:06.10 | Shirik | and all the fancy GUI stuff is gone too |
| 12:06.19 | mikma | vista <3 , right? |
| 12:06.20 | Shirik | I'm back to like Win95 scroll bars |
| 12:06.22 | Shirik | ugliness |
| 12:06.23 | Shirik | 7 |
| 12:07.03 | Shirik | oh jeesh |
| 12:07.06 | Shirik | every time I run a program |
| 12:07.11 | Shirik | that thing crashes |
| 12:07.34 | Torhal | Shirik: Zhinjio breaks addons. You break operating systems and languages. |
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| 12:07.54 | Shirik | I break everything, as TC-Away will attest |
| 12:08.40 | Wraithan | Wow, elemental is easy to play |
| 12:09.43 | Wraithan | Spec'd into Elemental because friends needed some dps for a group |
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| 12:10.37 | Kazie | Well.. how hard can it be to push 4 buttons in order? :) |
| 12:15.08 | Torhal | Kazie: How hard can it be to roll your face across a keyboard? :D |
| 12:15.39 | Kazie | Depends on the keyboard really.. if you're really skilled you never fail ;D |
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| 12:15.47 | Torhal | Heh |
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| 12:23.02 | Fisker- | sunlight Shirik |
| 12:23.04 | Fisker- | i hate it |
| 12:24.53 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone played with ssh tunneling and the new battle.net logon ? |
| 12:26.04 | Arrowmaster | its been the same login since 3.0 |
| 12:26.36 | Arrowmaster | afaik, unless it actually connects some place different if you enter a battle.net login |
| 12:26.44 | Maldivia | it does |
| 12:27.04 | Arrowmaster | wireshark |
| 12:27.05 | Maldivia | if there's a @ in the login name it uses us.logon.battle.net vs us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 12:28.35 | jnwhiteh | I still can't merge my battle.net account with my EU wow account =( |
| 12:28.45 | Maldivia | but, when tunnelling that address and port number, I get an error message stating that I'm trying to logon I get "You're trying to connect to an illegal game server" :| |
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| 12:29.22 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: yeah, I'm still waiting for that as well |
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| 12:32.25 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: how are you tunneling? |
| 12:32.47 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: but yeah, guess I'll have to wireshark some more when I get home, and don't have any need to tunnel my way out |
| 12:33.29 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: host added to hosts-file, and ssh -L ip:port:host:port .... |
| 12:34.10 | Arrowmaster | wow also connects directly by ip after the inital connection |
| 12:34.27 | Maldivia | yeah, for the realms - I have an alias for that |
| 12:34.38 | Arrowmaster | you could use something to force wow to use a socks proxy, theres a few programs to do it that work with any windows software |
| 12:35.07 | Maldivia | I've yet to find one that works through wine though |
| 12:36.28 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 12:36.29 | jnwhiteh | I have ABSOLUTELY no idea how to start this paper =( |
| 12:36.52 | Teomyr | just curious, for what are you tunneling your game connection through SSH? |
| 12:36.53 | krka | \document |
| 12:37.07 | Maldivia | Teomyr: to get past firewalls ofcourse |
| 12:37.44 | Teomyr | ah, okay. makes sense :) |
| 12:39.06 | Kazie | Any pitbull experts around? |
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| 12:40.25 | Legorol | morning people, how's it rocking today |
| 12:40.39 | krka | it's rocking adequately |
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| 12:40.45 | Kazie | badly.. Pitbull is making trouble |
| 12:40.46 | jnwhiteh | i lack a bit of rock |
| 12:43.02 | TooGood | heya, any ops alive and kicking? |
| 12:43.08 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: you sound like you could need something on the rocks ? |
| 12:43.33 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: i could really stand to get drunk right now. |
| 12:44.26 | krka | that worse thing about being drunk is that someone has to liquify you first, and that sounds painful |
| 12:45.55 | Torhal | krka: That reminds me of that old Vicks commercial where the kid is sick in bed and another kid screams "Vaporize him!" |
| 12:46.47 | krka | i have not seen it |
| 12:47.42 | Shirik | TooGood: Why would you ask such a question |
| 12:49.03 | Torhal | Shirik: Perhaps he wants an answer form a dead and twitching op? |
| 12:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik-dear. |
| 12:49.11 | Torhal | r/form/from/ |
| 12:49.18 | Shirik | well he hasn't asked anything so... |
| 12:49.18 | Torhal | s/form/from/ |
| 12:49.24 | Torhal | MOFO |
| 12:49.30 | Torhal | ~fail Torhal |
| 12:49.42 | purl | Torhal: FAIL! |
| 12:49.42 | TooGood | i'm the host of blizzcon 08 wow arena tournament,wwi,IEM, and a wow show every wednesday |
| 12:49.42 | TooGood | on esl.tv |
| 12:49.43 | TooGood | this week due to the changes to blizzards addon policy |
| 12:49.43 | TooGood | im looking for someone in teh addon community to come on our show 22cet |
| 12:49.43 | TooGood | and talk to us about how this changes the addon community |
| 12:49.43 | TooGood | why it happened |
| 12:49.43 | TooGood | and generally everything |
| 12:50.02 | Shirik | Before I ask "why ops" |
| 12:50.07 | TooGood | well |
| 12:50.15 | TooGood | because i dont have a fucking clue who is who in the addon community |
| 12:50.21 | TooGood | so i was asking ops for help finding someone |
| 12:50.21 | Torhal | Shirik: He wants someone "legit" |
| 12:50.32 | Shirik | Well see that's going to be your problem, I think |
| 12:50.34 | TooGood | i recognise ckknights name from addons |
| 12:50.55 | TooGood | it honestly doesnt have to be ops |
| 12:51.02 | TooGood | i was asking for there help to find someoen |
| 12:51.04 | krka | ~asktoask |
| 12:51.05 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 12:51.05 | Shirik | This is a very controversial issue, and getting the wrong person (which could potentially include even operators of this channel) could sway things one side or the other, which personally I don't think can be good for you |
| 12:51.24 | Shirik | But it's your decision to make, not mine |
| 12:51.36 | Torhal | TooGood: The whole problem is that you're trying to cover a story simply for the sake of covering it, without any real interest. If there were real interest, you would have at least come here after having conducted some form of research. |
| 12:51.45 | Torhal | Simply because of what Shirik said. |
| 12:51.48 | Wraithan | Anyone know how to make totems work right on NeedToKnow? |
| 12:51.50 | Legorol | TooGood: That sounds awesome, please make sure you try and get several people so several views of the picture can be presented. The author community is quite split over this |
| 12:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... and if you went through, I don't know... Blizzard... they could point you toward authors in the community. |
| 12:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | If you don't even know that much, I somehow suspect the entire rest of the basis of your presentation. |
| 12:52.51 | TooGood | well i do the only internet tv show about wow on a weekely basis, blizzard watch our show, and i dont nessacerally need one persons oppinon, maybe someone who can come on and tell us what has happened since this? the community split? etc it doesnt have to be his views. |
| 12:52.53 | Legorol | morning Lopeppeppy, how are the girls scouts? ;) |
| 12:52.54 | Lopeppeppy | Coupled with dropping the f-bomb, how professional are you trying to present yourself as being? |
| 12:53.24 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, very frosty this morning. Rather tired of the drama llamas and looking to see the hate mongering end. |
| 12:53.26 | Legorol | TooGood: at this point i doubt you will be able to find anyone who can present an unbiased overview. That's how explosive the situation is. |
| 12:53.36 | Shirik | It will become "his views" if you take the wrong person, TooGood, that's my point. You are going to find it very difficult to get an objective opinion right now. |
| 12:53.43 | Torhal | TooGood: If you do this weekly, I suggest you become part of the community so you're informed (note: I did not say _better_ informed) |
| 12:53.58 | TooGood | torhal i will |
| 12:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | Skeptical dino is skeptical. Go interview Blizz if you want a scoop. |
| 12:55.18 | krka | the best option is to read through the forum a bit i think, and read the various points |
| 12:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | And when you find the viewpoint you want to scoop, you can come look for that person here! |
| 12:55.18 | TooGood | infact im building our show up and up, currently were adding more and more features, we have interviews with professional players from arena teams + pve teams, we have features on players, we have warcraftmovies.com reviews, and i want to be adding addon on the week to the show where we review a addon |
| 12:55.18 | Torhal | Actually, go read the UI forum on the worldofwarcraft.com site |
| 12:55.18 | Torhal | It's only about 67 pages or so. |
| 12:55.18 | Legorol | I'm not sure that the hostility towards TooGood is warranted. But you do have to be careful, you can't just cover this topic like a plane crash. |
| 12:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, do the research first. |
| 12:55.18 | Riffage | like the others have said, youll find it hard to find an objective argument on it all |
| 12:55.30 | Riffage | most of the forum posts ive read are from users who dont understand copyright or IP law |
| 12:55.31 | Shirik | I don't think I'm being hostile, I just think I'm warning him of a serious flaw he can make if he's not careful |
| 12:55.40 | Torhal | Legorol: I'm not being hostile. I'm simply letting the guy know that he can't just grab someone and run with it and be credible. |
| 12:55.45 | TooGood | noones being hostile towards me :) |
| 12:55.46 | TooGood | its ok |
| 12:55.53 | TooGood | i appriciate the advice |
| 12:55.54 | krka | everyone's biased except me |
| 12:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik is being neutral, Peppy is being skeptical, and no one is jumping on being the rumor-mill junkie. |
| 12:56.11 | Legorol | ok, i take that back |
| 12:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm proud of us that the drama llama isn't tempting. |
| 12:56.32 | Legorol | krka: that's almost as good as: "Me, prejudiced? Not at all. I hate everyone equally". |
| 12:56.39 | Riffage | i guess the biggest problem youll have is actually making it short (I dont know how long your show is) |
| 12:56.39 | TooGood | neways, im gonna finish writeing the rest of the show, then ill read the UI forums and get back to you :) |
| 12:56.43 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: The Drama Llama is _SUCH_ a boring ride. |
| 12:56.45 | TooGood | thanks for your time |
| 12:56.59 | TooGood | :D |
| 12:57.05 | Riffage | as its such a broad topic at the moment, lots of conflicting views, its not something that would be summed up in 5minutes |
| 12:57.26 | TooGood | well, thats somethign i can say, but to have an expert or a community figure on the show tell us whats going on |
| 12:57.27 | Shirik | Legorol: We are all equal, but some are more equal than others. |
| 12:57.32 | TooGood | would be interesting for the rest of our watches |
| 12:57.40 | TooGood | viewers* |
| 12:57.42 | Torhal | Riffage: Once he wades through the first 20 pages, it's mostly repitition. I'm sure he can sum that up. |
| 12:57.44 | krka | summary: some people think it's morally and/or legally wrong to try to restrict addon developers' basic rights |
| 12:57.52 | krka | other people think pay-for-addons are wrong |
| 12:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | TooGood, you're making the mistake of thinking anyone can claim to be the "expert" and be correct. |
| 12:57.57 | Legorol | TooGood: yes it would be interesting to present authors' voices/views. However, you need at the very least two people for that. |
| 12:58.05 | krka | other people think blizzard has right to do what they do |
| 12:58.14 | Shirik | I feel the WoWI thread might be more meaningful to him |
| 12:58.20 | Shirik | though, it may be missing some opinions |
| 12:58.21 | krka | and end users go "lol addonz r ez, gief 4 free plx" |
| 12:58.24 | Legorol | This isn't an event that all authors are viewing from the outside, this is something that happened *to* the authors. |
| 12:58.26 | TooGood | yes i wanted authors of addons, so i could introduce them to the show and there work previous to bringing them on the phoneline |
| 12:58.27 | Shirik | it's definitely not as filled with crap, though |
| 12:58.28 | Legorol | So everyone reacted differently. |
| 12:58.37 | Torhal | krka: MOST of those are the end-users who think that the hours on end we spend should be rightfully theirs. |
| 12:58.52 | TooGood | i wanted a addon coder |
| 12:58.53 | TooGood | end of |
| 12:59.00 | TooGood | so sorry if i said expert or community :) |
| 12:59.01 | Legorol | TooGood: and that is too general a statement. |
| 12:59.02 | krka | Torhal: yeah that's what my last statement was |
| 12:59.03 | TooGood | of* |
| 12:59.15 | Torhal | krka: Missed that whilst typing :) |
| 12:59.17 | Shirik | each developer has different views |
| 12:59.23 | Riffage | I used to code a major addon, but Blizzard stolzes it from me! ;P |
| 12:59.24 | Legorol | It's like saying: "a tornado just hit mainland US. I wanted someone on Earth to comment on it" |
| 12:59.26 | krka | two authors is not enough to cover all angles |
| 12:59.35 | Shirik | some feel that it's a good thing, some think it's a bad thing, some don't know, and some are like me and refuse to take sides |
| 12:59.35 | krka | i think there are like 5-6 completely different viewpoints |
| 12:59.37 | krka | if not more |
| 12:59.38 | krka | :( |
| 12:59.44 | TooGood | what addon riffage? |
| 12:59.48 | TooGood | ok |
| 12:59.53 | TooGood | well if i cant get ppl on teh show this week |
| 12:59.55 | Riffage | ECB |
| 12:59.58 | TooGood | ill preview it and read the forums |
| 12:59.59 | Legorol | don't listen to Riffage, Blizzard doesn't "steal" addons. |
| 13:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | I was counting at least 4, krka, but I'm sure my count is bad. |
| 13:00.02 | Riffage | lol |
| 13:00.05 | TooGood | then ill be back next week to get fucking 6 of you bastards on the show |
| 13:00.07 | Riffage | ok they steal ideas then :p |
| 13:00.20 | Legorol | TooGood: way to increase motivation |
| 13:00.24 | TooGood | :P |
| 13:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | I guess it's the fbombs that really make me so skeptical. *nod* |
| 13:00.32 | Torhal | Legorol: They simply take the most prevalent/popular and implement them (badly) in the mainline UI. |
| 13:00.46 | krka | you should have patented it then, if you were worried about blizzard using your idea |
| 13:00.46 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 13:00.57 | Legorol | Torhal: yes, they take the idea. I'm fed up with people using the phrase "they stole my addon". They didn't steal anything. |
| 13:01.07 | Torhal | Legorol: Exactly. |
| 13:01.09 | jnwhiteh | the ideas existed before the addon was written |
| 13:01.13 | theorbtwo | I think most addons are probably obvious to a person skilled in the art. |
| 13:01.36 | krka | "i maed u an addon but blizarz stoled it" |
| 13:01.40 | Torhal | Legorol: And I'm of the opinion that they intentionally add them in an inferior mode just so they can be further expanded upon :) |
| 13:01.46 | nevcairiel | Torhal: i wouldn't even say they implement it "bad", they just do it in a simple way without many options, that will suit 90% of the people |
| 13:01.47 | Shirik | krka: needs cat picture |
| 13:02.05 | krka | some addons are non-obvious, i tink |
| 13:02.08 | krka | *think |
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| 13:02.12 | Legorol | Torhal: i have to disagree with you that Blizz's implementation is inferior. |
| 13:02.15 | Shirik | like my dalaran lap counter |
| 13:02.17 | Shirik | non-obvious imo |
| 13:02.20 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Eh. most times the initial implementation is intrinsically flawed. |
| 13:02.23 | nevcairiel | Like the gear manager, it'll surely be enough for the biggest part of the population |
| 13:02.23 | Lopeppeppy | They do it in a way that doesn't break the game, omg! |
| 13:02.26 | krka | or the chromatic safety goggles |
| 13:02.26 | Legorol | Blizz's implementation of popular addon ideas is simplified, so that the stock UI stays simple. |
| 13:02.29 | Shirik | ^ |
| 13:02.29 | krka | or whatever they were called |
| 13:02.38 | jnwhiteh | The default user interface is implemented for ALL of the users |
| 13:02.45 | Shirik | joo-janta peril-sensitive goggles |
| 13:02.47 | jnwhiteh | of course its going to be intrinsically SIMPLER than a custom addon. |
| 13:02.53 | Shirik | something like that |
| 13:02.53 | krka | Shirik: that's the one! |
| 13:02.55 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't make it inferior |
| 13:02.56 | Torhal | Legorol: Initially it usually is. Afterward, it's merely minimalistic. |
| 13:02.56 | Shirik | It's been too long since I read |
| 13:03.01 | nevcairiel | All i need for the new gear manager is that LDB plugin with a dropdown to choose sets |
| 13:03.05 | Lopeppeppy | Is there something wrong with minimalistic? |
| 13:03.06 | nevcairiel | and thats 50 lines of code |
| 13:03.08 | Legorol | What they usually leave out is the vast majority of configuration options that addons usually have. They don't try to cater for every single individual taste. |
| 13:03.14 | krka | Lopeppeppy: according to my wife, yes :( |
| 13:03.15 | Riffage | I don't mind the idea of good addon's being implemented into the default UI |
| 13:03.20 | Shirik | oo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses |
| 13:03.26 | Shirik | ignore the oo |
| 13:03.32 | Riffage | but its things like the threat meter being done which were just.. *sigh* |
| 13:03.36 | Shirik | er, no wait |
| 13:03.37 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Not at all. It actually makes it easier for the authors to expand upon. |
| 13:03.37 | Shirik | don't ignore the oo |
| 13:03.40 | Shirik | put a J in front |
| 13:03.41 | Shirik | Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses |
| 13:03.44 | Legorol | Besides, often this doesn't impact the original addon much. |
| 13:03.49 | Legorol | Look at the popularity of SCT for example. |
| 13:03.49 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Yeah, I'm sure there are. QuestHelper, though, while amazingly useful, isn't terribly non-obvious, for example, or the pet auto-feeder that I picked up the other day that I should remember the name of. |
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| 13:04.07 | nevcairiel | Riffage: alot of people might be happy with the warning saying "high threat", instead of an actual number that says "90%" :p |
| 13:04.08 | Torhal | Case-in-point: The 3.0.2 implementation of the Calendar was shite. |
| 13:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, was is Fizzwidget's Feed o Matic? |
| 13:04.17 | Torhal | It's better, now, and even better in 3.1 |
| 13:04.18 | theorbtwo | I'm still something of a wow noob. |
| 13:04.21 | Legorol | I'm actually amazed that my own addon still gets downloads, despite the stock UI having near identical functionality now. |
| 13:04.24 | Lopeppeppy | So says you, Torhal. I'm fine with it. |
| 13:04.29 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, that's the one. |
| 13:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | Fizzwidget is a crafty goblin. |
| 13:04.47 | jnwhiteh | I don't think anyone is going to be able to convince Torhal of anything else |
| 13:04.49 | Legorol | Torhal: the calendar is great, it's just missing one crucial functionality, and even that's being added in 3.1 |
| 13:04.57 | jnwhiteh | and that is very frustrating. |
| 13:04.58 | Shirik | ok gotta get to class |
| 13:05.00 | Shirik | bai |
| 13:05.00 | Legorol | In 3.1 the calendar is near-perfect for what it's intended for. |
| 13:05.05 | theorbtwo | Aye. I think next char I roll, I'm going to pick up Engeneering again. |
| 13:05.17 | krka | i think my old addon was sort of non-obvious actually :/ |
| 13:05.25 | Lopeppeppy | Engineering is fun times, but... broked. |
| 13:05.25 | Legorol | which one krka? AT? |
| 13:05.27 | krka | yes |
| 13:05.37 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I'm confused. I was just saying that all of the initial implementations are sub-par. They get better. What do I need convincing of? |
| 13:05.44 | Legorol | the basic idea has been around, your implementation just rocked |
| 13:06.04 | Legorol | Heck, even I wrote my own version before seeing AT. I just dropped mine because yours was so much uber :) |
| 13:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | Not everyone agrees with that statement, Torhal. It's opinion. |
| 13:06.13 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: That this is your opinion, and not fact. |
| 13:06.16 | jnwhiteh | You seem to not realize this. |
| 13:06.18 | theorbtwo | AT? |
| 13:06.26 | Legorol | AutoTravel |
| 13:06.35 | krka | Legorol: the basic idea is fairly simple to grasp, but all the details in the implementation aren't |
| 13:06.46 | Legorol | I agree |
| 13:06.50 | nevcairiel | The calendar is alot better then any addon ever could be, since it doesnt require some shitty p2p database or something, it just works with the server =) |
| 13:06.59 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: word. |
| 13:07.01 | krka | how to collect data, or present the view, or determine path |
| 13:07.13 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: If you look at the calendar code from 3.0.2 until now, you'll see the improvements that were made. They were needed. That isn't opinion, as far as I can see... |
| 13:07.19 | Legorol | krka: sorry i didn't in any way mean to detract from the awesomeness of AT. |
| 13:07.22 | krka | i'll see if i can come up with a better example of non-obvious addon |
| 13:07.30 | krka | Legorol: np, that's not how i interpreted you |
| 13:07.35 | Lopeppeppy | Why on earth should they not make changes based on suggestions? That doesn't mean the original was flawed, just because it can be improved on. |
| 13:07.36 | Legorol | I was talking more about the underlying idea of "i want to be able to record my paths, and travel through them automatically" |
| 13:07.39 | Fisker- | calendar sucks until they put in signup support |
| 13:07.40 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: Sure if needed enhancements.. but it worked great for what they had implemented.# |
| 13:07.43 | jnwhiteh | And its gotten better each patch |
| 13:07.54 | theorbtwo | Yeah, that's the sort of idea I'd have, but not be able to implement. |
| 13:07.54 | Legorol | krka: i agree that it's not an obvious addon |
| 13:08.05 | theorbtwo | On the other hand, I can very much see why blizzard would want to break it. |
| 13:08.06 | nevcairiel | The opinion is that it was sub-par in 3.0.2, not that it was enhanced by now :) |
| 13:08.10 | Legorol | krka: i didn't say it was obvious, but it's not that esoteric that only you in the world thought of it, is what i mean |
| 13:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | Expecting to never improve something is.... I can't express how short sighted that thought pattern would be. |
| 13:08.13 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: exactly. |
| 13:08.17 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: That is all I was saying. It was only originally "shite" because you could only invite 100 guldies to an event. There are massive guilds. |
| 13:08.18 | krka | Legorol: true |
| 13:08.22 | Legorol | krka: however, only you thought of the specific way of doing it, which trumped all other attempts |
| 13:08.25 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: it was NOT originally shite. |
| 13:08.25 | Riffage | ahh I remember AutoTravel, I remember making it work after Blizzard say no no aswell with my G15 ;P |
| 13:08.26 | jnwhiteh | hjesus. |
| 13:08.29 | jnwhiteh | that's what you dont' seem to get |
| 13:08.32 | jnwhiteh | it worked for TONS of people |
| 13:08.36 | jnwhiteh | and was a huge enhancement over NOTHING |
| 13:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal, there are small guilds that loved it on implementation. |
| 13:08.48 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: That's why I put "shite" in quotes. I misspoke at first. Gah. |
| 13:08.48 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't mean it sucked, that doesn't mean it was shite, that doesn't mean it was sub-par. |
| 13:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | And if you need more than 100 people for Hogger, you're in trouble. :) |
| 13:09.08 | Fisker- | it's shite until they support signups |
| 13:09.09 | Fisker- | end |
| 13:09.20 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: invite everyone, look who accepts? |
| 13:09.30 | Fisker- | no |
| 13:09.31 | Torhal | Ok, someone tell me when stating an (admittedly, now) opinion became a flogging offense? |
| 13:09.50 | krka | i think auctioneer is a bit non-obvious too |
| 13:09.53 | jnwhiteh | No, you can state your opinion |
| 13:09.57 | jnwhiteh | but don't state it like it's a fact |
| 13:10.02 | jnwhiteh | there is an ENORMOUS difference |
| 13:10.02 | Torhal | I did. I was lambasted for it :P |
| 13:10.05 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: thats what we do, we just do a mass-invite on the guild and people accept when they have time =P |
| 13:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | When you make it a fact statement -- that's what's been wrong the last week in the UI community, and none of us are sitting still for it. "I think...." is awesome. "X is Y" is.... not so. |
| 13:10.10 | jnwhiteh | No, you stated it as a fact |
| 13:10.13 | jnwhiteh | that's why you got attacked. |
| 13:10.21 | Legorol | krka: again, i think the brilliance is in implementation. There are some key ideas that others have thought of too. |
| 13:10.29 | nevcairiel | (just add imo on every line, jnwhiteh likes, i heard) |
| 13:10.34 | Fisker- | probably nevcairiel |
| 13:10.35 | Torhal | Could someone copy/paste where I said it was fact? |
| 13:10.37 | krka | Legorol: true, to some extent |
| 13:10.44 | Fisker- | But first of all we can't do that due to having more than 100 people in the guild |
| 13:10.47 | Legorol | krka: I'm sure there are a couple of addons that are totally novel ideas, but I think for most, more than one person had at least the basic idea. |
| 13:10.47 | Torhal | Or was stating the opinion considered a statement of fact? |
| 13:10.49 | Fisker- | secondly inviting is not signing up |
| 13:10.52 | krka | then again, ideas are a dime a dozen |
| 13:10.55 | jnwhiteh | 13:05 < Torhal> jnwhiteh: I'm confused. I was just saying that all of the initial implementations are sub-par. They get better. What do I need convincing of? |
| 13:10.55 | krka | everyone can have an idea |
| 13:10.58 | Legorol | yup |
| 13:11.05 | krka | implementation or architecture / design is the hard party |
| 13:11.06 | Legorol | Good implementation is what makes it rock |
| 13:11.07 | krka | -y |
| 13:11.11 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: But you went after me before that :P |
| 13:11.12 | jnwhiteh | You are stating that all of the initial implementation ARE sub-par. This is different than you thinking they are all sub-par. |
| 13:11.21 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: that was the first thing I saw when I scrolled up |
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| 13:11.40 | theorbtwo | Almost everybody's initial implementation of things sucks, no matter who or what. |
| 13:11.42 | nevcairiel | can we now be done with arguing? :) |
| 13:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | I wish, nevcariel. |
| 13:11.49 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: you are splitting hair here imo. A statement like that usually should be construed as an opinion. |
| 13:11.59 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Ok. Here's the thing: I didn't state WHY I thought they were sub-par, so that should automatically go into the "his opinion" bin. |
| 13:12.09 | Torhal | Legorol: Danke. |
| 13:12.10 | Legorol | If I came in here and said "TomTom sucks!", I'm sure noone would think I'm stating a fact. |
| 13:12.27 | jnwhiteh | He asked me to take it out of context. |
| 13:12.27 | Legorol | You might take offense at the tone though |
| 13:12.33 | Fisker- | Garmin sucks |
| 13:12.40 | theorbtwo | From the point of view of Blizzard, almost anything that makes the client better, and makes "is good at finding adons" be less of a way to make you play better then the compitition, is good for them. |
| 13:13.03 | Torhal | I am now of the opinion that drinking bourbon and speaking to highly-charged developers == FAIL |
| 13:13.32 | theorbtwo | The second half sometimes means breaking them, so nobody gets the advantage, and sometimes it means adding them into the core, so everybody gets them. |
| 13:13.38 | Torhal | Apologies to all whom I unexpectedly offended. |
| 13:13.46 | jnwhiteh | I need to get some work done, be back alter tonight |
| 13:13.50 | jnwhiteh | s/alter/later/ |
| 13:13.52 | theorbtwo | I'm amazed to find that the calendar is that new, though... |
| 13:14.11 | Torhal | theorbtwo: Since 3.0.2 |
| 13:14.24 | nevcairiel | 3.0.1 had it too |
| 13:15.25 | Fisker- | Excellent troll! |
| 13:15.28 | Fisker- | 50000 bonus points |
| 13:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | I have a Garmin Nuvi, I adore it! |
| 13:16.43 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: come on, you can do better than that... name the beta build it was introduced :) |
| 13:16.58 | Fisker- | i wus trolling Lopeppeppy :P |
| 13:17.03 | Torhal | I suddenly hate being drunk. |
| 13:17.11 | Fisker- | GPS in mobile = win |
| 13:17.17 | Fisker- | So installed Garmin on it for the lulzx |
| 13:17.18 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 13:17.31 | Fisker- | So now i basically have the best featured GPS without paying for a garmin gps |
| 13:17.32 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 13:17.33 | Torhal | I just, somehow, invited everyone to flame me. No idea how, either. Gah. |
| 13:17.45 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: 8681 |
| 13:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't want to sport for a data plan on my crackberry, but I do have a portable Garmin GPS. For a chick traveling alone at night in unfamiliar cities.... godsend. |
| 13:18.35 | nevcairiel | (wasn't too hard to look up on wowcompares) |
| 13:18.36 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: see, you could do better :) |
| 13:18.54 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: true - I just remembered that the first build or two didn't have the calendar |
| 13:19.17 | nevcairiel | Unless wowcompares skipped a build, the second one got it |
| 13:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | They like to be precise! :) |
| 13:20.48 | Pneumatus | i use TrekBuddy on my mobile phone :< |
| 13:21.03 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, wowcompares doesn't have the F&F Alpha builds |
| 13:21.10 | nevcairiel | why did i initially think of some tekkub addon when i read TrekBuddy =P |
| 13:21.20 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: i wasn't in alpha either, so i wouldn't know |
| 13:21.23 | Torhal | nevcairiel: You dropped the "r" |
| 13:21.32 | nevcairiel | Torhal: obviously :) |
| 13:21.34 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 13:21.44 | Arrowmaster | nobody wants a tekBuddy |
| 13:22.14 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: also, it doesn't list build 8622, which was the installer version |
| 13:22.21 | Maldivia | (beta installer) |
| 13:22.25 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I'm seriously surprised he didn't call Kennel tekBuddy |
| 13:22.33 | nevcairiel | I was wondering if it listed the installer version |
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| 13:31.55 | Legorol | anyone can think of mobs in storm peaks that are casters? |
| 13:32.00 | Legorol | and bombard you with spells? |
| 13:32.42 | Arrowmaster | some of the dwarfs |
| 13:32.44 | mikma | legorol: some of the iron dorfs at north |
| 13:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen-dear, it's not the armory setting that messes up posting toons. Sorry. :( |
| 13:33.07 | Maldivia | the dwarfs in the cave? |
| 13:34.34 | Maldivia | (the cave next to frosthold or something, can never remember what that's called) |
| 13:34.39 | mikma | at the huge iron colossus |
| 13:35.10 | Legorol | mikma: thanks |
| 13:35.12 | Maldivia | Legorol: can we ask why? |
| 13:35.26 | Legorol | trying to test acclimation |
| 13:35.30 | Legorol | what procs it and what doesn't |
| 13:35.44 | Maldivia | doesn't it proc from any spell damage? |
| 13:35.53 | Legorol | well, define spell damage :) |
| 13:35.58 | Legorol | does lava damage count? |
| 13:36.06 | Legorol | does melee attacks that deal magic damage count? |
| 13:36.12 | Maldivia | enviromental damage, and physical damage shouldnt' count |
| 13:36.14 | Maldivia | anything else |
| 13:36.36 | Maldivia | (holy damage might not work either) |
| 13:36.56 | Legorol | obviously physical shouldn't |
| 13:37.07 | Legorol | but i was wondering about things like elementals, that often deal magic damage on melee |
| 13:37.12 | Legorol | or take Hydross for example |
| 13:37.38 | mikma | Wintergrasp is full of highlevel elementals :I |
| 13:38.34 | Legorol | there are a lot of things that don't seem to proc acclimation even though i reckon they should |
| 13:38.50 | Lopeppeppy | Hyrdross? Was he not all elemental damage? |
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| 13:39.52 | nevcairiel | he is, frost and nature |
| 13:39.52 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: yes exactly |
| 13:40.02 | Legorol | but he wasn't casting spells |
| 13:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | That's not magic damage. *is sooo confused* |
| 13:40.07 | Legorol | he had melee attacks that deal magic damage |
| 13:40.16 | zenzio | no |
| 13:40.23 | zenzio | elemental melee damage = elemental melee damage |
| 13:40.24 | Lopeppeppy | No. Elemental damage isn't magic damage. |
| 13:40.35 | Legorol | it certainly isn't physical :) |
| 13:40.46 | zenzio | your normal avoidance applies (dodge/parry) |
| 13:40.49 | Legorol | any damage to me that's not physical is magical :) |
| 13:40.52 | Lopeppeppy | Okay.. I see how you're drawing the line. |
| 13:40.52 | zenzio | so it's more physcial than magical |
| 13:41.10 | Lopeppeppy | I just think of magical as being arcane damage, while nature and frost are elemental.... Bah. |
| 13:41.11 | nevcairiel | But resist against magic also works |
| 13:41.13 | Legorol | zenzio: except the combat log shows it as X Nature damage, and is reduced by resistance to the appropriate school of maic |
| 13:41.13 | nevcairiel | so its just weird =) |
| 13:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | Magic sucks, roll rogue!!! |
| 13:41.50 | Legorol | I am 100% clear on the game mechanics related to Hydross, but I always thought of it this way: |
| 13:42.01 | Legorol | The form of attack and the type of damage it inflicts are two separate entities |
| 13:42.06 | Legorol | There are melee attacks, and there are spells. |
| 13:42.17 | Legorol | Most melee attacks inflict physical damage, but some inflict magical damage. |
| 13:42.22 | Legorol | Spells usually inflict magical damage. |
| 13:42.35 | nevcairiel | Its easier to understand if you just think of it as elemental damage =P |
| 13:42.41 | zenzio | exactly |
| 13:42.51 | Legorol | elemental damage is a misnomer though |
| 13:42.55 | zenzio | so is magic |
| 13:43.05 | zenzio | but I understand your point, it makes sense |
| 13:43.06 | nevcairiel | Hydross switches from water to nature elemental |
| 13:43.08 | Legorol | a death knight doing scourge strike is doing what then? |
| 13:43.10 | nevcairiel | so he does elemental damage |
| 13:43.19 | Legorol | doing shadow elemental damage? |
| 13:43.37 | Legorol | it's a melee attack that uses melee mechanics and deals shadow damage |
| 13:44.00 | nevcairiel | In wow, shadow is an element too |
| 13:44.11 | zenzio | I would probably think of it as elemental, but it's a tough call |
| 13:44.13 | nevcairiel | so he can do shadow damage, and you could consider it an elemental power |
| 13:44.14 | Legorol | ok, then please define the difference between magical and elemental :) |
| 13:44.35 | Legorol | since in WoW, *every* magical damage falls under an "element" |
| 13:44.39 | nevcairiel | There is no magic |
| 13:44.46 | Legorol | ok |
| 13:44.50 | Legorol | so what you call elemental, i call magical |
| 13:45.00 | Legorol | other than that difference in terminology, is there anything we are differing on? |
| 13:45.01 | nevcairiel | The only difference is spell or melee |
| 13:45.18 | nevcairiel | Except that spells usually do elemental damage, adn melee do physical |
| 13:45.24 | nevcairiel | but they _can_ do somethign else, too :) |
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| 13:45.33 | Legorol | nevcairiel: which is exactly what i said |
| 13:45.39 | Legorol | i just used the word "magical" where you used "elemental" |
| 13:45.49 | theorbtwo | I'm still low-level, and I have plenty of spells that make melee and ranged attacks do various sorts of nonphysical damage, both over time and on hit. |
| 13:45.53 | theorbtwo | It's all pretty random. |
| 13:46.03 | Legorol | theorbtwo: it's not random at all |
| 13:46.09 | Legorol | player attacks fall in three well-defined categories: |
| 13:46.17 | Legorol | 1) melee and ranged attacks that deal physical damage |
| 13:46.36 | Legorol | 2) melee and ranged attacks that deal elemental damage (where the element can be fire, water, shadow, nature, arcane or holy) |
| 13:46.40 | Fisker- | RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR |
| 13:46.40 | Legorol | 3) spells that deal elemental damage |
| 13:46.41 | Fisker- | i rage |
| 13:46.42 | nevcairiel | Well your initial problem was how "spell damage" is defined, and i would just define it as from any real "spell", that is not with a wepon |
| 13:46.48 | Legorol | I'm yet to see a spell that deals physical damage :o) |
| 13:46.52 | nevcairiel | except maybe a wand =P |
| 13:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 13:47.08 | Lopeppeppy | Depends on how you're using that wand, cowboy. |
| 13:47.22 | Legorol | nevcairiel: right. Problem I'm having with is figuring out what counts as spell. |
| 13:47.44 | Legorol | For example, the dwarves i was pointed to in Storm Pikes, put a debuff on you that make you Overload after 5 seconds, dealing arcane damage to yousrelf. |
| 13:47.51 | Legorol | I'd have thought that's a spell, but it's not triggering acclimation. |
| 13:47.59 | Legorol | *Pikes/Peaks |
| 13:48.03 | nevcairiel | Anythign that involves swinging a weapon at the enemy isnt a spell in my book, at least |
| 13:48.26 | selckin | anything except autoattacks are spells |
| 13:48.28 | theorbtwo | As far as I can tell, almost anything that's not a basic "hit them over the head with a heavy object" is a spell. |
| 13:48.31 | nevcairiel | Debuffs are usually just that, debuffs. and don't trigger spell-related stuff |
| 13:48.32 | Legorol | this doesn't involve flinging a weapon though |
| 13:48.41 | Legorol | after 5 seconds of the debuff, i explode |
| 13:48.48 | Fisker- | Wanted is the shittiest game in the history of mankind btw |
| 13:48.50 | Legorol | and i don't trigger acclimation |
| 13:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | My mind is stuck in NERO Larp rules.... |
| 13:49.11 | Legorol | nevcairiel: this makes acclimation suck even more than i thought |
| 13:49.28 | Legorol | i need a mob that puts a dot on me |
| 13:49.30 | nevcairiel | From reading the tooltip, it directly says "hit by a spell", which usually means a direct hit |
| 13:49.44 | nevcairiel | it _could_ potentially proc on the first application of the dot |
| 13:49.48 | nevcairiel | but thats not for sure |
| 13:49.53 | Maldivia | aoe also triggers acclimation |
| 13:50.12 | nevcairiel | yeah well aoe is a semi-direct hit as well :) |
| 13:50.13 | Maldivia | or well, haven't tested recently, but remember it did |
| 13:50.28 | Legorol | yes aoe should |
| 13:50.35 | nevcairiel | Just that a DoT that goes out with a boom at the end doesnt |
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| 13:50.45 | nevcairiel | and elemental-melee-dmg shouldnt either |
| 13:50.52 | Maldivia | well, the dot ticks can proc it, so why not the bloom? |
| 13:50.58 | nevcairiel | can they? |
| 13:51.02 | Legorol | Maldivia: can they? |
| 13:51.35 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i can see why blizz would do it like that, but from an RP pov, that sucks :( |
| 13:51.35 | nevcairiel | according to some wowhead comments it can't |
| 13:51.36 | Maldivia | used to anyway, don't know if that's still the case |
| 13:51.38 | nevcairiel | but i wouldnt know |
| 13:51.44 | Legorol | the whole idea is that when i'm subjected to a certain school of magic, i get used to it |
| 13:51.46 | nevcairiel | i never specced it |
| 13:51.55 | Legorol | if a nasty mob is beating on me for half an hour for fire damage, i should get used to it :) |
| 13:52.22 | nevcairiel | If a nasty mob is beating you for half an hour, you should really need to get some rest. |
| 13:52.25 | Maldivia | Legorol: and don't forget to share the knowledge to the rest of your group/raid :) |
| 13:53.07 | theorbtwo | Ah, Death Knight thing, ah well, sounds useful. |
| 13:53.15 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: that, or should have hit weapon/defense skill 400 by then :) |
| 13:53.18 | theorbtwo | Ah, and time limited. |
| 13:53.54 | theorbtwo | Good, otherwise you'd start doing what I sometimes do -- unequip both weapons and run around punching low-level beasts to up my unarmed skill. |
| 13:54.15 | theorbtwo | ...which is just plain silly, but useful for fighting things with disarm. |
| 13:54.21 | nevcairiel | I usually get a fist-weapon to skill unarmed, they hit faster |
| 13:54.30 | Maldivia | theorbtwo: I just landed below dalaran, found a tree and started beating it, it heals itself when it gets to half health :) |
| 13:54.38 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 13:54.50 | nevcairiel | I'm only missing 2H maces and polearms on my druid now |
| 13:55.00 | nevcairiel | I was bored after getting 4 skills to 400 for the achievement |
| 13:55.08 | Maldivia | hehe, same |
| 13:55.12 | Maldivia | and missing the same two :9 |
| 13:55.20 | nevcairiel | Polearms on 1/400 |
| 13:55.23 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 13:55.25 | Maldivia | 2h weapons are just SOO slow |
| 13:56.06 | nevcairiel | Yeah it was a pain to do staves |
| 13:56.20 | nevcairiel | druids need some melee-swing-ability to spam :) |
| 13:57.38 | Pneumatus | so do priests! |
| 13:57.38 | Maldivia | well, as I said, found a tree and worked on an addon, swithing every minute or so to rejuv myself |
| 13:58.06 | selckin | plenty of mobs that don't hit back to afk with |
| 13:58.28 | Maldivia | well, those that dont hit back don't provide weapon skill |
| 13:58.38 | Lopeppeppy | That got fix't |
| 13:58.39 | selckin | some do |
| 13:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | The ones by the Portal used to be excellent for skill up. |
| 13:58.53 | nevcairiel | I don't think there are any left |
| 13:58.54 | selckin | the ones in diremaul still work afaik |
| 13:59.06 | Lopeppeppy | Which ones? |
| 13:59.10 | selckin | i used those after they fixed the portal anyway |
| 13:59.19 | theorbtwo | Maldivia: Eh, unless you strip naked first, there's enough that won't actually damage you. |
| 13:59.20 | selckin | behind the king |
| 13:59.27 | nevcairiel | The gargoyles in Icecrown worked fine for a while |
| 13:59.29 | nevcairiel | but got fixed too |
| 13:59.41 | Pneumatus | did they patch the dude in the obsidian dragonshrine? |
| 13:59.45 | Pneumatus | he was working for a while |
| 14:00.07 | selckin | do tribute without killing the king, like 10 mobs behind him that can't be killed and don't hit you |
| 14:00.22 | selckin | and they gave me weapion skill after patch notes that fixed portal etc |
| 14:00.51 | theorbtwo | Do "Attack" and "Auto Shoot" count as spells for IsSpellInRange? |
| 14:01.08 | Maldivia | think so, yeah |
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| 14:02.04 | selckin | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=11446 3.0.8 still working says comment |
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| 14:03.36 | Shirik | :( no hugs |
| 14:03.43 | cog|sleep | bleeter: fwiw, alt-0169 makes copyright symbols ;) |
| 14:03.47 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 14:04.55 | selckin | â © â |
| 14:05.06 | Shirik | woot |
| 14:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | oh shit woot? |
| 14:05.32 | Shirik | sec |
| 14:05.53 | Shirik | I need to resolve the issue before I can explain |
| 14:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. I'm a patient Peppy, I can waits. |
| 14:06.50 | Fisker- | i'm raging Shirik |
| 14:07.27 | bleeter | cogwheel: but you gotta rely on people not having brainded Windows font installs to display it ;) |
| 14:07.34 | Shirik | ... Esamynn|Away named one of our planets "Hey, an Ocean!" |
| 14:07.37 | Shirik | anyway, so |
| 14:07.46 | Shirik | I totally fell asleep last night without logging out of TW |
| 14:07.49 | krka | alt-gr + c is easier to type |
| 14:07.50 | krka | and remember |
| 14:07.52 | Shirik | I assumed cogwheel would have destroyed me |
| 14:07.55 | Shirik | but apparently not |
| 14:08.04 | nevcairiel | if you don't log out, you're more vulnerable? |
| 14:08.16 | Shirik | well if you don't log out, you sure as hell aren't hidden |
| 14:08.26 | Shirik | (if you do log out and don't hide yourself, it's teh same thing) |
| 14:08.28 | cogwheel | bleeter: windows should put in the unicode if the page has the proper encoding |
| 14:08.54 | theorbtwo | krka: American keyboards don't have altgrs; they have a left alt and a right alt. |
| 14:09.09 | Shirik | Because altgr is stupid |
| 14:09.22 | nevcairiel | alt-gr + c doesnt give me copyright on my layout anyway |
| 14:09.27 | selckin | ¢ |
| 14:09.32 | krka | nevcairiel: which os? |
| 14:09.39 | nevcairiel | windows, currently |
| 14:09.40 | zenzio | Shirik: spoken like an ignorant American ;-p |
| 14:09.50 | Shirik | zenzio: Thank you |
| 14:09.54 | nevcairiel | alt-0169 works though |
| 14:10.03 | krka | alt-0169 fails in linux |
| 14:10.07 | krka | especially in irssi |
| 14:10.08 | theorbtwo | zenzio: I can see the arguments on both sides. |
| 14:10.09 | zenzio | non-English languages typically have a greater use for alt-gr |
| 14:10.20 | krka | it results in four channel switches |
| 14:10.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:10.46 | theorbtwo | krka: how to type chars by numeric code varies depending on terminal. |
| 14:11.25 | Lopeppeppy | And being able to READ them depends on terminal. Your garbledy code gives me headaches. :) |
| 14:11.58 | Shirik | non-english languages should learn to be english |
| 14:12.05 | Shirik | and more importantly, call the language correctly |
| 14:12.09 | Shirik | it's American, not English |
| 14:12.28 | zenzio | Shirik: if you weren't trolling I'd smack your ignorant ass |
| 14:12.32 | Shirik | :P |
| 14:12.37 | Shirik | you started it |
| 14:12.41 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: it just depends on being a proper utf8 terminal! :) |
| 14:12.50 | Lopeppeppy | Proper. *laugh* |
| 14:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | If it's my terminal, it's anything BUT proper. |
| 14:13.06 | theorbtwo | Or your IRC client transliterating between charsets. |
| 14:13.19 | Legorol | note: the alt+0xxx method is a windows only thing and is proprietary |
| 14:13.23 | Shirik | ooh |
| 14:13.26 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is at a school |
| 14:13.35 | theorbtwo | Of course, that only works if the char you are trying to display exists in the charset of the terminal. |
| 14:13.35 | Shirik | that means it's definitely broken |
| 14:13.39 | Lopeppeppy | Well dur, Shirik, I works here. |
| 14:13.39 | nevcairiel | alt+<code> works on a number of OSes, actually. |
| 14:13.46 | Lopeppeppy | What does that have to do with anything? I use Trillian. |
| 14:13.52 | Legorol | nevcairiel: yes, alt+xxx does |
| 14:14.00 | Shirik | oh Trillian |
| 14:14.04 | Shirik | Trillian is not an IRC client |
| 14:14.09 | Legorol | the idea of distinguishing between alt+xxx and alt+0xxx is a windows thing though |
| 14:14.26 | Shirik | that being said, seriously, how do you use trillian to handle IRC? I remember when I used to use trillian for EVERYTHING years ago, and I couldn't stand it's hack of an IRC client |
| 14:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's not. But it allows me to use my 6 freakin' chat programs smoothly, which is nice. |
| 14:14.28 | Shirik | its* |
| 14:14.34 | theorbtwo | Ah, finally. |
| 14:14.40 | nevcairiel | I doubt they can copy-right the idea of inputing a 0 first to designate utf8 |
| 14:14.43 | zenzio | don't forget <Alt>+<Numpad +>+<xxxx> |
| 14:14.44 | krka | nice, I can ÏÏιÏÏη βεÏÏεεν greek and ενγλιÏη λαÏ
Î¿Î¸Ï with caps lock |
| 14:14.54 | Legorol | nevcairiel: it's not copyrighted as such |
| 14:14.56 | Lopeppeppy | There are things it doesn't provide me, Shirik, but for the convenience of only running 1 program versus 6... I do it. |
| 14:15.01 | theorbtwo | On gnome-terminal, and other gtk-based things, old down ctrl-shift, and type ua9 for a copyright symbol. |
| 14:15.05 | Legorol | i am not saying other systems *can't* use it, i'm just saying they usually don't |
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| 14:15.17 | Shirik | ÉÊÉ¹Ê 'uÊop-Çpısdn ÇdÊÊ uÉÉ Ä± puÉ |
| 14:15.20 | Legorol | nevcairiel: besides, alt+0xxx is not designating UTF-8 |
| 14:15.27 | Legorol | just to be entirely correct :) |
| 14:15.30 | nevcairiel | Legorol: well you said its proprietary, that usually means they own it |
| 14:15.38 | Maldivia | theorbtwo: what's wrong with altGr-c for © ? :) |
| 14:15.39 | krka | Shirik: ÏθÏελÏ
Î½Î¿Ï ÏιÏÎ·Î¿Î¸Ï Î±Î½ εÏÏεÏναλ Ïοολ |
| 14:15.41 | Legorol | nevcairiel: you are right, i used wrong wording |
| 14:15.51 | theorbtwo | Maldivia: My keyboard layout doesn't have an altgr key. |
| 14:15.51 | krka | Maldivia: i already said that |
| 14:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik and krka, that's vile. |
| 14:15.58 | Shirik | Can you read it Lopeppeppy? |
| 14:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. :) |
| 14:16.08 | Shirik | Because I can read mine. krka's on the other hand, well |
| 14:16.10 | Shirik | I don't know greek |
| 14:16.14 | Shirik | Mine is still english though |
| 14:16.18 | Lopeppeppy | You am talking in a foreign language, talking about me, I know it! *cries* |
| 14:16.24 | krka | i am just using greek letters, but typing in english |
| 14:16.27 | Shirik | Nah, it was just upside down :) |
| 14:16.30 | theorbtwo | It *does* have a compose key. |
| 14:16.45 | theorbtwo | "between" is pretty recognizable, at least in lowercase. |
| 14:17.21 | Maldivia | krka: hmm, didn't see you mention AltGr :9 |
| 14:17.28 | Legorol | nevcairiel: windows is totally f-d up about how it treats alt+xxx and alt+0xxx sequences |
| 14:17.30 | krka | 15:07:49 <krka> alt-gr + c is easier to type |
| 14:17.42 | Shirik | So my test is over |
| 14:17.42 | theorbtwo | Legorol: It's because the non-zero version came first. |
| 14:17.43 | Shirik | that's good |
| 14:17.52 | Legorol | there is a complex interplay of system default OEM and ANSI codepages, current keyboard language and layout, and Unicode at play |
| 14:17.53 | theorbtwo | What's actually silly is that they use decimal instead of hex for unicode. |
| 14:17.57 | Maldivia | krka: as I said, I didn't see it, didn't say you didn't write it : |
| 14:17.58 | Shirik | Now I just have this damn interview that I had yesterday, and I know they're going to wait like 2 weeks to tell me yes or no |
| 14:18.06 | Legorol | theorbtwo: i'm well aware :) |
| 14:18.08 | Shirik | Just so that it's on my shoulders |
| 14:18.12 | theorbtwo | Legorol: Aren't legacy technologies *fun*? |
| 14:18.13 | Lopeppeppy | What did you interview for? |
| 14:18.23 | Shirik | Internship position |
| 14:18.30 | krka | some words are easy Ïο read εÏεν in greek, such Î±Ï the word ÏÎ¿Î¿Î»ÎºÎ¹Ï |
| 14:18.40 | Legorol | I have researched and documented (for myself) the way in which windows handles alt+xxx and alt+0xxx |
| 14:18.59 | theorbtwo | Legorol: Ouch. |
| 14:19.03 | Maldivia | hmm, ǽ ǿ |
| 14:19.26 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Official title on the document was "Intern/Software Enginerring/Embedded Components" |
| 14:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | Well la di dah! Will it be fun? |
| 14:19.41 | Legorol | To give you an example: consider the letter á (a-acute for those that can't see it) |
| 14:19.45 | Shirik | it will be fun for sure |
| 14:19.47 | nevcairiel | Legorol: actually you can trick windows into allowing proper hex unicode strings, but you have to enable it in the registry |
| 14:19.48 | Shirik | except the part about being in the north |
| 14:19.56 | Shirik | but what's not fun is sitting here waiting |
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| 14:20.15 | Legorol | Typing alt+160 in most text editors in windows (such as standard notepad) will result in a-acute, but so will alt+0225. |
| 14:20.19 | Shirik | Fortunately, I had talked to one of the interviewers a few months ago and he seemed excited about me, so that's good. I just hope he's still excited about me >.> |
| 14:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | Where away north, Shirik? |
| 14:20.41 | Shirik | Washington |
| 14:20.50 | nevcairiel | Alt+0 uses input-language-specific code, which is some fucked up code page like latin1 |
| 14:20.52 | Lopeppeppy | That's not too hideously north, dear. I assume it's for summer? |
| 14:21.01 | nevcairiel | alt+xx uses code-page-specific stuff, which is even worse |
| 14:21.07 | Shirik | yes for summer |
| 14:21.13 | Lopeppeppy | That's not bad then, you won't get all cold. |
| 14:21.14 | theorbtwo | Hm, but 160 is U+A0, non-breaking space, in both latin-1 and unicode. |
| 14:22.03 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: theres a registry key you can change so that alt keypad+ FFFF is unicode |
| 14:22.09 | Legorol | theorbtwo: that's right |
| 14:22.17 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: that's fine, not talking about that :) |
| 14:22.23 | Legorol | I'm explaining the default behaviour and why it's like that. |
| 14:22.36 | Legorol | Without fiddling with the registry, Windows behaves as follows: |
| 14:22.47 | Legorol | Alt+xxx is treated as a character from the system default OEM codepage. |
| 14:22.56 | nevcairiel | theorbtwo: you'll get to the charset by prefixing a 0, ALT-0160 = nbsp |
| 14:22.57 | Legorol | Alt+0xxx is treated as a character from the system default ANSI codepage. |
| 14:23.21 | Legorol | On a US windows, the system default OEM codepage is 437, in which code poing 160 is a-acute. |
| 14:23.39 | Legorol | and the system default ANSI codepage is windows-1252, which is (almost, but not completely) identical to ISO-8859-1 |
| 14:23.53 | Legorol | in that one, a-acute is at 225 |
| 14:23.59 | theorbtwo | Legorol: But isn't the OEM codepage a... ah. No, the ANSI codepage is a slightly extended latin1. The OEM codepage is the old CGA BIOS character set. |
| 14:24.11 | Legorol | theorbtwo: yes and no |
| 14:24.19 | Legorol | OEM codepage has a slightly broader definition |
| 14:24.23 | nevcairiel | ANSi and latin1 are all evil, they are not compatible to UTF-8 |
| 14:24.29 | Legorol | A codepage is just that: matching codes (bytes) to characters |
| 14:24.38 | Shirik | I wonder if you all saw my epic WG last night? |
| 14:24.40 | Maldivia | The default for win is Windows-1252, afaik |
| 14:24.43 | Legorol | OEM 437 contains 256 entities |
| 14:24.44 | Fisker- | I RAGE SO MUCH |
| 14:24.50 | nevcairiel | Yeah, Win1252, or WinLatin1 |
| 14:24.51 | Legorol | so does windows-1252 |
| 14:24.54 | nevcairiel | they have some funny laiases |
| 14:24.55 | Fisker- | I just tried out that demo for the new Wanted game |
| 14:24.59 | Fisker- | It ended up crashing my game |
| 14:25.03 | Fisker- | And fucked my raid |
| 14:25.14 | Legorol | nevcairiel: careful, they don't all mean the same thing in all contexts :) |
| 14:25.39 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4e1c9663e14b9fabe2e99cfec4bb4294.jpg |
| 14:25.41 | nevcairiel | WinLatin1 and Windows-1252 are the same, really |
| 14:25.50 | nevcairiel | yes yes Shirik, we saw |
| 14:25.55 | Shirik | not YOU! |
| 14:25.58 | Shirik | Sleepy peppy |
| 14:26.02 | bleeter | cogwheel: so as I indicated, a steaming pile of shit to ensure Win32 folks see the proper symbol, so (C) is easier for at least 10 more years (wait for legacy systems to die) :( |
| 14:26.10 | Shirik | I don't care about you evil people outside the US that has crazy sleep schedules |
| 14:26.27 | nevcairiel | bleeter: better wait for windows to go proper UTF-8 instead of their shitty latin1 superset |
| 14:26.30 | theorbtwo | nevcairiel: There's lots of different windows exteneded latin-1 codepages. |
| 14:26.55 | theorbtwo | nevcairiel: In most places windows is proper unicode these days. |
| 14:27.02 | theorbtwo | (Not proper UTF8, and it probably never will be.) |
| 14:27.06 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you need to get that crazy fixed, soon. *hug* Nap? |
| 14:27.12 | Shirik | no nap |
| 14:27.20 | nevcairiel | Of course windows has to invent their own unicode, too :) |
| 14:27.20 | Seerah | Cairenn|afk: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4608726/12324442 |
| 14:27.23 | Shirik | no nap until I figure out what I'm doing with my SS336 course |
| 14:27.28 | Shirik | today's the last day to withdraw from courses |
| 14:27.29 | Legorol | codepages are serious business |
| 14:27.30 | theorbtwo | Unfortunately, they went to unicode slightly before it became obvious that utf16 wasn't a very good idea. |
| 14:27.30 | Shirik | so |
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| 14:27.41 | Legorol | for example, ISO 8859-1 and ISO-8859-1 are not the same thing (note the extra hyphen) oh joy |
| 14:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | What needs doing to the course? |
| 14:27.58 | nevcairiel | Legorol:, yeah i know |
| 14:28.18 | Legorol | for the codepage buffs among you: |
| 14:28.24 | nevcairiel | one is latin1, the other one i forgot |
| 14:28.25 | theorbtwo | Time to start up wow with my first addon code, and see if it works like I expect it to. |
| 14:28.33 | Legorol | did you know that in a windows command prompt, you can select 1252 as the active codepage? |
| 14:28.41 | Legorol | or better still, select 65000 as the active codepage? |
| 14:28.53 | theorbtwo | I'm not surprised. |
| 14:28.53 | Legorol | (the latter being Unicode) |
| 14:29.08 | theorbtwo | Hm, OK, the second one is surprising. |
| 14:29.13 | Maldivia | mode con codepage ... lines? |
| 14:29.19 | Legorol | these are undocumented, because in a command prompt, you are only supposed to be able to select an OEM codepage |
| 14:29.23 | Legorol | 1252 is not one of them |
| 14:29.34 | nevcairiel | my cmd prompt defaults to cp850 these days |
| 14:29.40 | Legorol | Maldivia: mode con cp select=xxxx |
| 14:29.58 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: pssh... cp865! |
| 14:30.01 | theorbtwo | Does 65000 work like 1252, but without the extra microsoft extensions? |
| 14:30.07 | Legorol | Maldivia: or much simpler: chcp xxxx |
| 14:30.33 | Legorol | theorbtwo: 65000 doesn't work very well at all, it's a buggy and undocumented thing |
| 14:30.34 | bleeter | nevcairiel: yup, as I say prolly 10 years :P |
| 14:30.41 | Legorol | just the commands won't refuse 65000 as an argument |
| 14:31.15 | Legorol | i haven't researched 65000 in a command prompt much |
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| 14:32.43 | theorbtwo | I'll just keep using cp 437 in my terminal windows -- otherwise, nethack would break! |
| 14:33.20 | theorbtwo | (Seriously, I don't think I've ever wanted anything but ascii or old-school pretty graphics in a terminal window -- I'm pretty much a monoglot.) |
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| 14:33.44 | theorbtwo | ...and I don't use win32 command lines much; that sort of thing I do under linux. |
| 14:34.42 | Legorol | I had to research these codepage issues because my folder names contain accented letters, which breaks batch scripts. |
| 14:35.09 | Legorol | If I open a text editor in windows, and type: "cd háló", save it, then try to execute that as a batch file, it fails |
| 14:35.14 | Legorol | so i went about researching why |
| 14:35.23 | nevcairiel | See, 850 > 437, it includes those! :) |
| 14:35.33 | Legorol | nevcairiel: it's not because of 850/437 differences |
| 14:35.41 | Legorol | it's because of OEM/ANSI differences |
| 14:35.45 | theorbtwo | Ugh, the interpretation of batch commands depends on the display character set? |
| 14:35.56 | Legorol | in all the OEM codepages, á is at 160 |
| 14:36.08 | Legorol | in ANSI codepages, it's usually at 225, and it's the latter that's used in a windows-based text editor |
| 14:36.16 | nevcairiel | It probably depends if your editor saved the filename in unicode or in latin1 |
| 14:36.21 | Legorol | so the file contains byte 225, which borks when executed in a command prompt |
| 14:36.23 | Arrowmaster | windows uses utf16 for directories so you perty much have to use another unicode codepage if you want to get them correct |
| 14:36.33 | Legorol | nevcairiel: has nothing to do with unicode or latin1 |
| 14:36.54 | Legorol | it's a win-1252 (or winlatin1 if you like) vs. OEM 437/850/852 conflict |
| 14:37.18 | nevcairiel | But as theorbtwo pointed out, the batch processor should not care at all about the input/display charset |
| 14:37.18 | Legorol | batch files execute using an OEM page |
| 14:37.23 | Legorol | text editors use an ANSI page |
| 14:37.26 | Legorol | hence things are borked |
| 14:39.18 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: i don't understand your statement. Unicode doesn't have several codepages. |
| 14:39.29 | Legorol | Unicode only defines one, the Unicode code page |
| 14:39.39 | Legorol | It defines several *encodings* of that, but that's a different business |
| 14:39.45 | theorbtwo | Can't you save your file as utf16 with a bom? |
| 14:40.07 | Legorol | the windows batch processor (cmd.exe) can't parse utf-16 files |
| 14:40.12 | Arrowmaster | oh btw have you tried using .cmd instead of .bat? |
| 14:40.21 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: no differnce, both go through cmd.exe |
| 14:40.41 | nevcairiel | I'm pretty sure it can parse unicode files |
| 14:40.44 | nevcairiel | on vista at least |
| 14:40.54 | Legorol | Please don't misunderstand: I am not soliciting solutions. I have researched the problem, Iknow what's going on, and I know how to work around it. I'm just sharing my experiences. |
| 14:41.03 | Legorol | nevcairiel: that's possible, i only tried XP |
| 14:41.57 | Legorol | the behaviour under XP is that cmd.exe only accepts files with characters consisting of 8-bit bytes, and interprets them according to the active codepage. |
| 14:42.15 | Legorol | when you issue a command, the characters are converted from bytes to Unicode based on the active codepage |
| 14:42.26 | Legorol | the result is then compared with what's in the filesystem |
| 14:42.42 | Legorol | that's why "cd héló" fails |
| 14:42.56 | Legorol | sorry let me put it another way: |
| 14:43.10 | Legorol | that's why "cd héló" fails, if it was saved from a text editor that used ANSI encoding to save it |
| 14:43.28 | Legorol | because cmd.exe is reading it back and interpreting it according to the active codepage, which is usually an OEM one |
| 14:43.31 | kneeki | If any WoWI mods are online, could one of them please delete my addon Minimalisque_v3? |
| 14:43.35 | nevcairiel | There are alot of chars that aren't even in the 8-bit charsets but since windows saves filenames in UTF-8 are valid, seems to be total fail =P |
| 14:43.53 | Legorol | If you open cmd.exe and do this, of course it works: |
| 14:44.03 | Legorol | echo cd héló > coolscript.bat |
| 14:44.06 | Legorol | coolscript |
| 14:45.10 | Legorol | if you then open coolscript.bat in a text editor in windows, you'll see a comma in place of é, and a funny char (i don't know what it's called) in place of ó |
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| 14:45.57 | nevcairiel | MS should improve their console |
| 14:46.12 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy!!!!!!! |
| 14:46.14 | Wraithan | MS should improve virtual desktops |
| 14:46.20 | theorbtwo | What does "Incompatable" mean in the AddOn List you get from the character list screen? |
| 14:46.22 | mikma | how can i query the server for item after server restart? |
| 14:46.24 | nevcairiel | thats why i use bash shells on windows :) |
| 14:46.26 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: kitty has been found!!!! |
| 14:46.31 | Shirik | kitty? |
| 14:46.32 | mikma | and is there a risk of disconnect (since i don't broadcast the info) |
| 14:46.38 | Legorol | theorbtwo: that it's so old, WoW will refuse to run it |
| 14:46.39 | nevcairiel | theorbtwo: usually, invalid Interface version in the .toc |
| 14:46.49 | AckisWork | Shirik: my cat ran away on saturday night and we found him last night finally |
| 14:46.57 | Legorol | There was only one case where that flag was ever triggered: for addons written before TBC, they are flagged Incompatible |
| 14:47.10 | nevcairiel | theorbtwo: try 30000 |
| 14:47.24 | Legorol | nevcairiel: don't suggest .toc modification unless theorbtwo is an author |
| 14:47.36 | nevcairiel | don't tell me what to do =P |
| 14:47.40 | Legorol | :) |
| 14:47.41 | theorbtwo | nevcairiel: Sounds like the problem isn't the terminal so much as cmd.exe not allowing utf16 .cmd files with BOM. |
| 14:47.47 | theorbtwo | This is my addon. |
| 14:47.59 | theorbtwo | Ah. I had 3000 instead of 30000. |
| 14:48.01 | nevcairiel | well the terminal defaulting to cp850/437 is bad already :) |
| 14:48.03 | Wraithan | (No pun intended) |
| 14:48.18 | nevcairiel | gief unicode, even if its utf-16 and not 8 |
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| 14:48.40 | Legorol | on the plus side, .vbs and other scripts can be utf-8 encoded and they will work |
| 14:48.45 | Legorol | windows script host ftw. |
| 14:48.49 | nevcairiel | vbs is also evil |
| 14:49.00 | Legorol | nevcairiel: vbs is cool. |
| 14:49.21 | Legorol | Using a stock Windows installation and notepad, three lines of text, you are able to write a very simplistic bot for WoW. |
| 14:49.30 | Legorol | for obvious reasons i won't explain how |
| 14:50.22 | theorbtwo | That's more like it... now I get a syntax error. |
| 14:51.27 | Legorol | cool, the PTR is awesome |
| 14:51.31 | Legorol | i have never seen sunrise in WoW :) |
| 14:51.41 | krka | heh |
| 14:51.43 | Legorol | thanks to the PTR running on a different time than the live realms though, i can |
| 14:53.01 | Legorol | is there epic fire resist gear in Wrath? |
| 14:53.20 | nevcairiel | only epic resist gear as of now is fire |
| 14:53.23 | nevcairiel | er |
| 14:53.24 | nevcairiel | frost |
| 14:53.25 | nevcairiel | you confuse me |
| 14:53.26 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:53.42 | Lopeppeppy | No, U! |
| 14:53.48 | krka | Legorol: do you have a euro account but can access the us ptr? |
| 14:54.00 | Fisker- | ptr's are us |
| 14:54.03 | Legorol | nope krka |
| 14:54.04 | nevcairiel | krka: the US ptrs internally run on the US clock |
| 14:54.06 | nevcairiel | er |
| 14:54.08 | nevcairiel | the EU ptrs |
| 14:54.08 | Legorol | but the euro PTRs are in US and use US clock |
| 14:54.09 | nevcairiel | damnit |
| 14:54.17 | krka | ah i see |
| 14:54.22 | krka | that's funny :) |
| 14:54.35 | Legorol | well it's understandable, PTRs have to be close to home |
| 14:54.36 | nevcairiel | you get daily reset like at noon |
| 14:54.37 | krka | would be interesting if wow ran on 23-hour days |
| 14:54.40 | krka | so it would drift a bit |
| 14:54.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:54.44 | Legorol | lol |
| 14:54.47 | krka | and we would get more variation |
| 14:54.59 | Legorol | Blizz said before that they run an exact 24-hour clock on purpose |
| 14:55.12 | Legorol | they could have chosen in-game time to be faster/slower but they deliberately didnt' |
| 14:55.22 | Legorol | they think this enhances player experience |
| 14:55.28 | krka | you could explain it in lore by having Illidan or someone having killed one hour of each day |
| 14:55.34 | Legorol | rofl |
| 14:55.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:55.42 | nevcairiel | illidan killed an hour! |
| 14:55.54 | nevcairiel | time in outland could be different then in azeroth |
| 14:56.00 | nevcairiel | other planet, and all |
| 14:56.08 | Legorol | true |
| 14:56.14 | krka | <illidan> damn, that tv show 24 is too long, i wish it was only 13 episodes.... maybe if i killed part of the day. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:56.25 | krka | nevcairiel: that would rock! |
| 14:56.46 | theorbtwo | Er, different shattered remains of a planet, in a relm where time and space are ill-defined... but a day is 24 hours anyway. |
| 14:56.52 | VonhintenHOME` | Drugs and Alcohol can plague even the dragonflight... |
| 14:57.30 | VonhintenHOME` | Chromie gets drunk, you lose an hour randomly |
| 14:58.27 | alestane | I knew that bitch was trouble. |
| 14:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. *grump* |
| 14:58.51 | nevcairiel | What do people have against chromie |
| 14:58.59 | VonhintenHOME` | gnome... |
| 14:59.09 | VonhintenHOME` | pink hair... |
| 14:59.12 | alestane | In Peppy's case, I think it's that she's not REALLY a gnome. |
| 14:59.14 | VonhintenHOME` | pretty much says it all |
| 14:59.25 | Legorol | Chromie is absolutely awesome |
| 14:59.29 | Legorol | besides, she isn't a gnome |
| 14:59.40 | nevcairiel | chromie is a dragon |
| 14:59.47 | nevcairiel | she likes the form of gnomes, though |
| 14:59.48 | Lopeppeppy | EXACTLY my problem! |
| 14:59.49 | krka | awegnome! |
| 15:00.02 | VonhintenHOME` | At least Alexstrazsa had the good decency to appear as a hot humanoid... |
| 15:00.07 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | Alexstrazsa has taste, dignity and respect. |
| 15:00.28 | Lopeppeppy | Chromie is a tramp and a liar. |
| 15:01.01 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: i'm going to disown you |
| 15:01.10 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* |
| 15:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry that my pride comes between us, Legorol. |
| 15:01.29 | Legorol | Alexstrazsa is a bossy, moody bitch, Chromie is a cute, ingenous, hard working dragon trying to fix the worlds problems. Or tried to. Or will try. I can't be sure |
| 15:01.36 | cog|work | sorry Legorol, i'm with peppy on this one |
| 15:01.41 | cog|work | chromie is a beeotch |
| 15:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | Beeeeee-otch! Nasty little fakery shiny scale slitch. |
| 15:02.11 | Legorol | *** SPOILER WARNING *** |
| 15:02.17 | Legorol | If you are not level 80 yet, close your eyes for a few lines |
| 15:02.29 | Legorol | One of the best quests in game I have ever seen is the time travel one where you get help from your future self around level 63-64. |
| 15:02.41 | nevcairiel | 73-74* |
| 15:02.47 | Legorol | oops yes |
| 15:02.55 | Legorol | Then when you are 80, you have to go back in time to help your level 64 self, thereby closing the causal loop. |
| 15:02.59 | Legorol | *74 |
| 15:03.07 | nevcairiel | yeah that was great |
| 15:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | What zone is that in, Legorol, I don't think I remember it? |
| 15:03.28 | Legorol | I particularly love that the whispers you get from your other self, in both cases, are not completely scripted, but somewhat randomised. |
| 15:03.29 | nevcairiel | dragonblight |
| 15:03.40 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: you get it from Chromie (no surprise) on top of Wyrmrest Temple |
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| 15:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, haven't been there yet. Makes sense it's in that zone. |
| 15:03.43 | Legorol | both quests |
| 15:03.43 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: chromie gives you both quests, you probably didn't even look at her =) |
| 15:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | Haven't been to dragonblight, avoiding the whole stupid plaguey scaley area. :P |
| 15:04.14 | Legorol | wyrmrest temple is absolutely impressive and awesome |
| 15:04.21 | nevcairiel | Do you own a riding-dragon? :) |
| 15:04.22 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: omg, that means you haven't met Alexstrasza! |
| 15:04.35 | AckisWork | vote: chromie > Lopeppeppy ? |
| 15:04.42 | Legorol | Ackis: nope |
| 15:04.47 | Legorol | but Chromie > Alexstrasza |
| 15:05.00 | nevcairiel | Alexstrasza > * |
| 15:05.09 | Lopeppeppy | Red dragons are the only interesting ones! |
| 15:05.19 | AckisWork | green dragons just sleep a lot |
| 15:05.20 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: you might like some of the quests around wyrmrest temple |
| 15:05.23 | AckisWork | red are cool |
| 15:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | nevcariel, I didn't do those quests either. :) |
| 15:05.23 | Legorol | ** spoiler warning ** |
| 15:05.28 | AckisWork | bronze > all |
| 15:05.32 | Legorol | for example, where you get to ride red dragons into battle to fight blue ones |
| 15:05.36 | nevcairiel | bronze are too weird |
| 15:05.40 | AckisWork | noz > alex |
| 15:05.46 | AckisWork | however methinks noz is EVIL |
| 15:05.47 | AckisWork | ahhhh |
| 15:05.48 | Legorol | im with ackis |
| 15:05.49 | AckisWork | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 15:05.52 | AckisWork | panic! |
| 15:05.55 | nevcairiel | bronze dragons never give you a straight answer |
| 15:06.07 | Legorol | nevcairiel: they never have and never will, maybe |
| 15:06.40 | AckisWork | Legorol: noz == leader of infinite dargons! |
| 15:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | I did the red dragon quests, those were fun. |
| 15:06.53 | nevcairiel | nozdormu is the bronze dragon aspect, yes |
| 15:06.56 | Legorol | AckisWork: no way! |
| 15:07.32 | AckisWork | Legorol: he's seen his own death and why is he there with the infinite dargon flight in northrend? |
| 15:07.33 | nevcairiel | But the infinite dragons (the black ones in CoT) are not under nozdormus control, imho |
| 15:07.58 | Legorol | AckisWork: what do you mean *with* the infinite flight? |
| 15:08.05 | Legorol | he's fighting them |
| 15:08.10 | AckisWork | Legorol: leader of |
| 15:08.14 | AckisWork | Legorol: creator of |
| 15:08.15 | nevcairiel | He is not |
| 15:08.25 | AckisWork | today's noz isn't |
| 15:08.31 | nevcairiel | He is the leader of the bronze dragonflight |
| 15:08.35 | Legorol | i like that conspiracty theory, tbh |
| 15:08.49 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: yes we know, but... :P |
| 15:08.51 | alestane | Bleah. I try to launch system-config-printer and it just says "There was a problem connecting to the CUPS server" and closes. |
| 15:09.19 | VonhintenHOME` | mmm cups |
| 15:09.25 | alestane | Apparently issues communicating with my Mac. |
| 15:09.31 | Legorol | it would give quite a cool plot twist if evil noz and good noz were the same entity but from different points in time |
| 15:09.35 | Legorol | and they fought each other |
| 15:09.38 | nevcairiel | Well they do have plans for an totally un-announced raid dungeon before icecrown |
| 15:09.44 | Legorol | and evil noz knows he can't kill good noz, or he would cease to exist |
| 15:10.04 | alestane | ..."I HATE temporal anomalies." |
| 15:10.10 | Arrowmaster | noz has already seen his own death though |
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| 15:10.35 | nevcairiel | The future is always in a fluid state |
| 15:10.42 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: which is exactly why he might decide to try and prevent it |
| 15:11.18 | AckisWork | Legorol: no he's accepted his death |
| 15:11.24 | nevcairiel | I hope they bring deathwing back at some point, though |
| 15:11.43 | Legorol | deathwing never left... just idles :o) |
| 15:11.56 | Ose | who died? |
| 15:12.03 | Legorol | btw, am i the only one that found the black dragonflight confusing in classic wow? |
| 15:12.04 | AckisWork | dargon stuffz: http://www.wowwiki.com/Infinite_dragonflight#Nozdormu.27s_involvement http://www.wowwiki.com/Infinite_dragonflight#Nozdormu.27s_involvement http://www.wowwiki.com/Infinite_dragonflight#Nozdormu.27s_involvement http://www.wowwiki.com/Infinite_dragonflight#Nozdormu.27s_involvement |
| 15:12.09 | AckisWork | (linked it 4 times) |
| 15:12.12 | AckisWork | Legorol: yes |
| 15:12.12 | Shirik | I have wasted 7.56 hours doing laps around dalaran in the past month |
| 15:12.13 | Legorol | there was very little difference in looks between black and red dragons |
| 15:12.16 | AckisWork | Legorol: l2dargon |
| 15:12.25 | Legorol | black dragons looked more red than anything |
| 15:12.28 | Legorol | that confused me for a long time |
| 15:12.31 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 15:12.40 | nevcairiel | the black dragons always looked a bit red-ish |
| 15:12.44 | Legorol | exactly |
| 15:12.46 | nevcairiel | but clearly different to the red ones |
| 15:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I hate Dalaran. I can't get to any of the quest givers I can see on my map, it's driving me insane. |
| 15:12.52 | Legorol | well consider this: |
| 15:12.56 | Legorol | around level 50+, you start meeting dragons |
| 15:13.04 | Legorol | and you are told they are black, even though they look more red than anything |
| 15:13.12 | nevcairiel | The only red dragon i can think of right now is vaelastrasz |
| 15:13.14 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: do you had dal more than chromie? |
| 15:13.19 | Legorol | the infinite dragonflight looks black |
| 15:13.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, nope. |
| 15:13.29 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: alex, the one you kill in nexus |
| 15:13.32 | ambethia | Lopeppeppy: they are indoors, or in the sewers |
| 15:13.36 | nevcairiel | Ackis: in classic! |
| 15:13.41 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: o |
| 15:13.43 | Legorol | there are red dragon whelplings in wetlands |
| 15:13.51 | Legorol | so you do meet them early on if you go there |
| 15:13.56 | Legorol | but |
| 15:14.01 | nevcairiel | yeah well whelplings |
| 15:14.03 | Legorol | most people met them for the first time in burning steppes |
| 15:14.05 | nevcairiel | they are around everything |
| 15:14.09 | nevcairiel | *everywhere |
| 15:14.09 | alestane | There are grown red dragons in Wetlands if you go in deep enough, but they are 55+ |
| 15:14.12 | Legorol | and they are more red looking than black |
| 15:14.37 | nevcairiel | Once you see vaelastrasz in BWL you will notice the different to say onyxia, though |
| 15:14.37 | alestane | The red dragonflight is very orangey, it took me a while to get them straight from the bronze ones. |
| 15:14.54 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: http://www.wowwiki.com/Red_dragonflight#Known_members |
| 15:14.57 | Legorol | nevcairiel: yes, but how many people encounter Vael before encountering the ones in burning steppes :P |
| 15:15.14 | Legorol | alestane: interesting, that's one thing that was no problem for me |
| 15:15.18 | Lopeppeppy | ambethia, I'm guessing sewers, because I've been everywhere indoors I could be, and can't find 'em. |
| 15:15.18 | nevcairiel | Legorol: they tell you "thats black", right? they are even named black or something |
| 15:15.19 | Legorol | bronze and red always looked very different to me |
| 15:15.23 | Legorol | i guess to each their own |
| 15:15.34 | Legorol | nevcairiel: they don't explicitly tell you they are black |
| 15:15.49 | Legorol | if you do the whole Ony chain (which doesn't exist anymore), the word "black" is not used for a long time |
| 15:15.50 | Legorol | if at all |
| 15:15.53 | ambethia | Lopeppeppy: just mouseover the blip on map and get their name, then look up the NPC on wowhead |
| 15:16.56 | Legorol | nevcairiel: actually i was wrong |
| 15:16.59 | Legorol | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?quest=4182 |
| 15:17.08 | AckisWork | hey everyone |
| 15:17.09 | Legorol | Dragonkin Menace says they are black, outright |
| 15:17.13 | AckisWork | I have 2 tickets to paradise |
| 15:17.19 | Legorol | i guess i was just confused back then because they didn't look black to me at all |
| 15:17.28 | Legorol | even their "black" parts are more brown than anything |
| 15:17.37 | nevcairiel | Yeah i figured they all had "black" int heir name somehow |
| 15:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | ambethia... yeah, Peppy has been lazy about that, I admit. |
| 15:18.41 | nevcairiel | in outlands dragons were kinda short, except the few infinites |
| 15:19.17 | Legorol | the infinites are not in outland though |
| 15:19.27 | nevcairiel | yeah i meant BC more then outlands =P |
| 15:19.43 | nevcairiel | We have some corrupted dragons in Sunwell then |
| 15:20.05 | AckisWork | I get so many strange looks here at work... I always have something in my mouth |
| 15:20.29 | theorbtwo | Looks like IsSpellInRange("Attack", "target") always returns nil, BTW. |
| 15:22.55 | theorbtwo | (And likewise "Shoot" and "Auto Shoot".) |
| 15:23.19 | Shirik | Any disc priest healers here? |
| 15:24.36 | alestane | Sort of, I haven't gotten her to endgame yet and our group blows down enemies too fast for me to do much healing. |
| 15:25.07 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly used to do Disc |
| 15:25.21 | alestane | Doesn't IsSpellInRange() query the currently loaded spell? |
| 15:26.02 | nevcairiel | No you can use it for any spell |
| 15:27.27 | alestane | I'm thinking of SpellCanTargetUnit. |
| 15:28.52 | nevcairiel | Yeah you need to use IsHarmfulSpell and the Unit* functions to replace that for any spell |
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| 15:30.20 | alestane | That's why I proposed IsHarmfulSpell and IsHelpfulSpell, yes. |
| 15:30.33 | alestane | Around 2.3 or so IIRC. |
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| 15:31.02 | nevcairiel | Now we even have it in the secure env :) |
| 15:31.33 | alestane | The answers aren't dynamic, so it wasn't too hard to make a case for it. |
| 15:31.46 | nevcairiel | Indeed |
| 15:31.56 | nevcairiel | Oh hey can i report a bug with the secure UnitHasVehicleUI to you? |
| 15:32.15 | alestane | Insofar as it will constitute a report. |
| 15:32.41 | nevcairiel | UnitCanAssist("player", "player") returns always nil/false on a vehicle |
| 15:32.52 | nevcairiel | rendering the whole deal useless for cehcking if you yourself have a vehicle ui |
| 15:32.59 | theorbtwo | nevcairiel: You work for Blizzard? |
| 15:33.04 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:33.16 | alestane | Hrm. |
| 15:33.35 | nevcairiel | it works fine for raid members |
| 15:33.37 | alestane | That might need a separate check. |
| 15:34.16 | nevcairiel | At least i think it works on raid members |
| 15:35.56 | theorbtwo | Hm, trying it another way. Better, really, since it occours to me that I need something that will tell me when the target moves from melee to ranged... |
| 15:36.23 | theorbtwo | UNIT_ATTACK is documented as telling me who is being attacked, so far as I can tell. Is there a way to tell who did the attacking? |
| 15:36.24 | nevcairiel | I assume its an issue with being on a vehicle. Since you can't really target the player himself anymore, UnitCanAssist fails |
| 15:36.29 | nevcairiel | might as well fail on raid members too |
| 15:36.32 | nevcairiel | let me check. |
| 15:41.28 | nevcairiel | alestane: ah i was wrong before, it doesn't work on raid members either, it only returns any value if you check against raidpetX when they are on a vehicle, since the player himself is inaccessable at that time, apparently. Simple solution, imho, if UnitHasVehicleUI(unit) == true, check CanAssist on his pet isntead of himself :) |
| 15:42.44 | alestane | And a bunch of messy boolean juggling, let me see. |
| 15:43.18 | theorbtwo | Can you reload an addon without restarting the entire client? |
| 15:43.28 | nevcairiel | I'm not even sure why you need the can assist check, smart decisions in pvp situations? |
| 15:43.34 | nevcairiel | theorbtwo: /console reloadui |
| 15:43.52 | theorbtwo | Thanks! |
| 15:46.02 | alestane | nevcairiel: Do you realize how much more complicated that makes the function? |
| 15:46.12 | nevcairiel | yes :( |
| 15:46.23 | nevcairiel | I'll offer cookies? |
| 15:46.44 | alestane | There's no easy way to get a generic pet reference. I have to actually remap the f'ing unit token into a pet equivalient. |
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| 15:48.12 | nevcairiel | SecureButton_GetModifiedUnit just implemented that in the latest build too |
| 15:48.18 | nevcairiel | i already send zoot cookies for that .) |
| 15:49.04 | theorbtwo | Hm, UNIT_ATTACK never seems to fire. |
| 15:49.14 | alestane | nevcairiel: Actually, that was Esamynn. |
| 15:49.22 | nevcairiel | I told him to distribute them |
| 15:49.25 | nevcairiel | since i didn't know who |
| 15:49.26 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 15:49.50 | nevcairiel | But that change was awesome |
| 15:49.55 | nevcairiel | my raidframes can target vehicles now! |
| 15:50.06 | alestane | That was part of the idea. |
| 15:50.18 | nevcairiel | Was easy-as-pie to implement |
| 15:50.25 | nevcairiel | <3 Esamynn|Away |
| 15:51.57 | Shirik | Confirm/Deny: resto shamans tend to focus on raid healing |
| 15:52.16 | alestane | Ours tanks world content for us. |
| 15:52.55 | nevcairiel | Shirik: thats a blanket statement that you can't confirm or deny, really. |
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| 15:54.45 | Wraithan | Shirik: In my guild, we focus on raid heals |
| 15:54.55 | nevcairiel | It completly depends on the fight |
| 15:54.57 | Wraithan | For 25s that is |
| 15:55.16 | Wraithan | 10s I do mainly tank heals and let our other healer do raid heals |
| 15:55.17 | nevcairiel | If you have to move alot and chain heal fails on effectiveness, you could prefer other raid healers |
| 15:55.34 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: if you have to move a lot and not stay near eachother that is true |
| 15:55.46 | nevcairiel | on stationary aoe fights, chain heal is good for raid heal |
| 15:56.06 | Wraithan | but if you are just moving a lot, but everyone is in the same area, like due to void zones and such, chain heal rokcs |
| 15:56.08 | Wraithan | rocks |
| 15:56.23 | Wraithan | 60-80% of my healing is chain heals in 25s |
| 15:56.41 | Wraithan | discounting proc heals |
| 15:57.31 | Wraithan | I especially like chain heal on EoE phase 2 and Sarth3d |
| 15:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | I can't wait to hit 80 and spam Holy Light for this tier of content, versus Flash of Light. I'm so excited to be a one-spell pony. |
| 15:57.35 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 15:57.40 | Wraithan | top the charts in no time |
| 15:57.57 | AckisWork | eh what's a new function API thingy in 3.1? |
| 15:58.09 | AckisWork | ~api screwaddondevs |
| 15:58.10 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_screwaddondevs |
| 15:58.10 | Wraithan | Holy Light, Flash of Light, and Holy Blast or something like that right? |
| 15:58.16 | AckisWork | nope, not that one heh |
| 15:58.22 | nevcairiel | GetPlayerFacing is new |
| 15:58.26 | durcyn | holy shock, beacon, wraithan |
| 15:58.28 | AckisWork | ty |
| 15:58.32 | AckisWork | ~api GetPlayerFacing |
| 15:58.33 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetPlayerFacing |
| 15:58.41 | Wraithan | Ah right, my paladin is only level 50 |
| 15:58.41 | nevcairiel | If you just want a 3.1 check, i always prefer looking at GetBuildInfo() though |
| 15:58.45 | Wraithan | and I don't heal with him yet |
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| 15:59.12 | Wraithan | He will be ret/holy probably when he hits 80, assuming 3.1 is out by then |
| 15:59.13 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: I did that with 3.0.8 and had if ver == 3.0.8 then blah and when 3.0.9 got pushed out like 2 days later I had people QQIng |
| 15:59.35 | theorbtwo | AckisWork: So use >= instead. |
| 15:59.39 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: i only check the interface version, like 30100 will still be true on 3.1.1 :) |
| 15:59.55 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: ah touche |
| 15:59.57 | Wraithan | >= ftw |
| 15:59.58 | nevcairiel | local is31 = select(4, GetBuildInfo()) >= 30100 |
| 16:00.39 | Lopeppeppy | Holy Light, Beacon, Divine Plea, maybe the occasional shock thrown in, and my other cooldowns like trinkets. |
| 16:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have spells, I have cooldowns. It sucks. |
| 16:00.52 | AckisWork | eh can't you do if select(4, GetBuildInfo()) >= 30100 then penis end? |
| 16:01.11 | Wraithan | Healing Wave, Lesser Healing Wave, Chain Heal, Riptide, cooldowns |
| 16:01.14 | nevcairiel | sure, but i need it in more places |
| 16:01.16 | nevcairiel | so i have a var |
| 16:01.20 | AckisWork | ah k |
| 16:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | That's 3 more than I do. |
| 16:01.25 | Wraithan | And lots of totems |
| 16:01.28 | Wraithan | sooo many totems |
| 16:01.33 | Lopeppeppy | Totems? I have none of that. |
| 16:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | Buffs every 30. |
| 16:01.52 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Part of the problem I've always perceived with paladins is how much of their content is static. |
| 16:02.07 | Wraithan | come 3.1 I will be using healing totem instead of mana totem *shrug* |
| 16:02.10 | Beladona | don't remind us Lopeppeppy |
| 16:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. Nothing to do. |
| 16:02.14 | Wraithan | losing 100ish mp5 =( |
| 16:02.29 | Beladona | some people are still angry about the homogenization of totem buffs which are automatically inferior due to being totems |
| 16:02.41 | Beladona | including me |
| 16:02.43 | alestane | No-one wants to be valued primarily for a button they push once at the beginning of the raid. That was the issue rets had with people who said they were good because they had Sanctity Aura and maybe some blessing. |
| 16:02.54 | Wraithan | Well, 200ish, I always had the other shaman in my group because he has shit for mp5 so I mana tide for him lol |
| 16:03.17 | Beladona | no, but when a class it identified by a mechanic that requires them to recast it every 5 minutes, and then they become useless... |
| 16:03.26 | alestane | Blessings and Auras don't take much skill most of the time, just memory. |
| 16:03.37 | Wraithan | Lots of folks get mad when you forget totems too |
| 16:03.41 | Wraithan | it is funny |
| 16:03.44 | Beladona | exactly |
| 16:04.01 | Beladona | and then you try to tell them "why, it gets overwritten anyway" |
| 16:04.04 | Wraithan | Oops forgot windfury that fight, sorry dudes, *roar of angry meter watchers* |
| 16:04.13 | alestane | It seems to me that what pallies (and to some extent shammies) have always wanted is useful active abilities. |
| 16:04.24 | Beladona | I wouldn't care |
| 16:04.37 | nevcairiel | I don't think its particularly hard to re-cast your totems once a fight. Like you only have one pally for Kings, then you provide wisdom, and all is nice. |
| 16:04.38 | Wraithan | I just don't want to have to recast my totems every 30 yards of travel |
| 16:04.44 | alestane | They've improved pally tanking and retribution somewhat, but Holy has been slower to keep up. |
| 16:04.44 | Beladona | make totems not stack with other buffs. That is fine with me. But make them last 30 minutes, and not range limited |
| 16:04.55 | Beladona | otherwise, they are automatically inferior |
| 16:04.59 | Arrowmaster | tank "TOTEMS!", enchance shaman "what... i got goa down....", tank "WINDFURY!" |
| 16:05.16 | Arrowmaster | (pre 3.0) |
| 16:05.26 | Wraithan | Well, truth be told WF was the better totem |
| 16:05.33 | Beladona | was |
| 16:05.34 | nevcairiel | the windfury self-enchant for shamans still has the old mechanic, rigth? |
| 16:05.40 | Arrowmaster | but it didnt benifit the enchance shaman |
| 16:05.45 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: |
| 16:05.49 | Wraithan | Arrowmaster: I beg to differ |
| 16:05.55 | Wraithan | We were always threat capped |
| 16:06.07 | Lopeppeppy | Holy has been kinda the unfavored child. |
| 16:06.11 | Wraithan | WF helped move that threat cap up a bit |
| 16:06.14 | Arrowmaster | i know it was funny watching our enchance shaman go splat |
| 16:06.17 | Wraithan | WF totem that is |
| 16:06.31 | Wraithan | Yeah, did that for 2 or 3 years of raiding |
| 16:06.48 | Beladona | I am still hoping for a big totem overhaul in an upcoming patch |
| 16:07.05 | Beladona | like some kind of change into auras or something |
| 16:07.09 | Wraithan | We had FD too, out threat the tank, die, reincarnate, rape face some more |
| 16:07.23 | nevcairiel | they could just give them wheels =) |
| 16:07.27 | Wraithan | I would do 3 min auras |
| 16:07.41 | Beladona | Honestly, totems that follow the caster, is kinda dumb |
| 16:07.46 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 16:07.47 | Wraithan | just to not be bitched at during 5mans when I didn't move may totems up |
| 16:07.53 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: As far as I can tell looking at the holy talents, they have this concept that you're going to be meleeing part-time, and I have no idea how they think that actually works. |
| 16:07.57 | Beladona | I don't need 4 little pets |
| 16:08.04 | Arrowmaster | i want to see little gnomes with wheel barrows pushing around clumps of dirt with totems stuck in them! |
| 16:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | NFC, alestane. |
| 16:08.05 | Wraithan | I do! |
| 16:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 16:08.14 | Wraithan | I want my totems to hop along behind me! |
| 16:08.21 | Beladona | and auras might not be the answer either |
| 16:08.39 | Lopeppeppy | But that does seem to be the case, I will have to melee to keep up my judgement, and if I'm healing every GCD I can't be doing that, in all honesty.... |
| 16:08.43 | Wraithan | Some people have the idea of them circling the shaman or something, like our shields do |
| 16:08.56 | Beladona | thats essentially an aura |
| 16:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | So I'll be standing in melee range, healing my heart out, attempting to poke the boss often enough that my judgements stay up? WTF |
| 16:08.59 | alestane | Part of the fundamental mechanic of totems is that they affect a fixed area rather than a dynamic one. |
| 16:09.02 | Beladona | its just the spell effect at that point |
| 16:09.22 | Wraithan | Beladona: Agreed |
| 16:09.22 | Beladona | although you COULD make it work like shields |
| 16:09.26 | Beladona | ooh |
| 16:09.34 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Meleeing doesn't seem to refresh judgements anymore. You recast them to refresh them. |
| 16:09.34 | Beladona | and when you take dmg, it knocks a totem off? |
| 16:09.42 | Beladona | no, that would suck |
| 16:09.50 | Wraithan | Haha |
| 16:10.05 | Beladona | dispel should be enough |
| 16:10.09 | Wraithan | I am just tired of recasting them whenever I move |
| 16:10.18 | Wraithan | during a fight I don't care |
| 16:10.19 | Beladona | well now you don't have to |
| 16:10.22 | Beladona | they are useless |
| 16:10.47 | nevcairiel | Depends on your class setup |
| 16:10.49 | durcyn | should just be a way to make totem sets you can drop in one gcd |
| 16:10.49 | Beladona | I will only really be dropping healing stream in 3.1 |
| 16:10.50 | Wraithan | WoAT still useful |
| 16:10.58 | nevcairiel | if you are limited on pallys, you might want wisdom etc |
| 16:10.58 | Beladona | we have 2 ele shamans, and an enhance shaman |
| 16:10.59 | Wraithan | or is there someone who does that as well? |
| 16:11.10 | Beladona | true, and wrath maybe |
| 16:11.18 | Wraithan | stoneskin |
| 16:11.22 | Wraithan | *shrug* |
| 16:11.23 | Beladona | we have 4 paladins |
| 16:11.29 | Beladona | 3 healing, 1 ret |
| 16:11.36 | Beladona | oh 5, and one is prot |
| 16:11.49 | nevcairiel | we have 2 ret, 2 heal right now .. i wish we could get a good prot |
| 16:12.06 | Wraithan | 2 holy, 2 ret also |
| 16:12.13 | Beladona | you can have mind. He is good as long as you don't ask him to add tank 10 to 30 mobs |
| 16:12.16 | Beladona | mine* |
| 16:12.24 | nevcairiel | thats not good, then! |
| 16:12.29 | Beladona | hehe |
| 16:12.58 | Beladona | he kb turns. Which isn't a big deal, but strafing isn't part of his keyboard binds apparently. So you can imagine what happens on Sarth |
| 16:13.08 | Wraithan | We need a feral tank, we have no feral druids at all |
| 16:13.24 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.25 | nevcairiel | You'll always notice that people suck that kb turn |
| 16:13.33 | nevcairiel | imho. |
| 16:14.14 | nevcairiel | Its like in vehicles, they turn so slow that you can't properly navigate anymore |
| 16:14.19 | nevcairiel | well and of course, vehicles cant strafe |
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| 16:14.52 | Beladona | last week he said "Sorry guys. Its hard to tank these adds. They own me whenever I turn around and run to get out of flame wall" |
| 16:15.00 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 16:15.03 | nevcairiel | run backwards! |
| 16:15.03 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:15.08 | Beladona | he mentioned that |
| 16:15.14 | Beladona | he said he can't do that, because he runs too slow |
| 16:15.21 | nevcairiel | of course without strafing he is damn slow |
| 16:15.25 | Beladona | thats when I said "so strafe?" |
| 16:15.51 | Beladona | he made some excuse about how even if you strafe they get behind you. I said "yeah, but not ALL of them" |
| 16:15.56 | |Jelly| | . . . |
| 16:16.10 | |Jelly| | The freaking wall of fire is up for like 5 seconds before it even moves. |
| 16:16.51 | Beladona | I know. It isn't that hard |
| 16:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | disturbing... http://www.leasticoulddo.com/ |
| 16:17.16 | Beladona | I have an addon that lists fails for the night. He is always at the top. I am ok with it happening a few times, since it really IS hard to tank adds |
| 16:17.36 | Beladona | and that isn't what he dies to |
| 16:17.48 | Beladona | we heal him through voids and flame walls when he doens't move fast enough |
| 16:18.00 | Beladona | its the adds pwning him in the back that kills him |
| 16:18.01 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: very |
| 16:20.52 | |Jelly| | wait. wait. wait. |
| 16:21.04 | |Jelly| | [11:17]<Beladona>we heal him through _voids_ and flame walls when he doens't move fast enough |
| 16:21.06 | |Jelly| | . . . |
| 16:21.41 | nevcairiel | tanks can survive it after the first drake is down |
| 16:22.17 | Beladona | |Jelly|: what choice do we have? |
| 16:22.26 | |Jelly| | Yeah, but if they're already having issues, the added stress on the healers cause you're too .. lazy (?) to move like 2 steps is pretty dumb imo. |
| 16:22.34 | Beladona | and yes, with enough health a tank can survive it |
| 16:22.39 | Beladona | even some of our dps have survived |
| 16:22.51 | nevcairiel | Yeah its only really bad while the first drake is still up |
| 16:22.56 | nevcairiel | due to the +100% shadow debuff |
| 16:23.00 | Beladona | I don't disagree. I have been playing that card for weeks now |
| 16:23.17 | Beladona | I think he even mentioned that last week too |
| 16:23.30 | Beladona | something like "I usually live through them anyway" |
| 16:23.53 | Beladona | me being a healer, got very upset about that. I said "Yeah because you are making us stop healing ANYONE but you to keep you alive" |
| 16:24.00 | kneeki | to take the first 6 digits of a string I would use 'format("%6s", string)', but "%6s" is wrong, and I'm unsure what to use there. Any tips? |
| 16:24.24 | Beladona | anyway, sorry for griping. I am very annoyed at stupid people |
| 16:25.08 | |Jelly| | ~hug Beladona |
| 16:25.09 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Beladona and suddenly hugs Beladona tightly |
| 16:26.08 | Dewin | hmm... |
| 16:26.59 | Beladona | at least we got our 3d kill. Twice actually. But now that there isn't a "challenge" to surmount. People aren't trying as hard, and fails are becoming more evident |
| 16:27.00 | Dewin | Why is it whenever I need an addon that does "x", "x" is an extremely common search phrase that none of the addons in it will match. |
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| 16:28.55 | Lopeppeppy | Addons hate you, and flee at your approach, Dewin? |
| 16:29.06 | Dewin | Right now, they're probably like |
| 16:29.15 | Dewin | "Oh god, he's making *another* Interface/Addons folder?" |
| 16:29.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 16:30.15 | Dewin | Basically |
| 16:30.21 | Beladona | hmmm. Addon manager with coverflow |
| 16:30.26 | Beladona | develop go! |
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| 16:30.34 | Dewin | I'm in the middle of trying to redo my entire UI |
| 16:30.34 | Shirik | coverflow? |
| 16:30.39 | durcyn | what, i have to supply album art for my addons now? |
| 16:30.45 | Beladona | lol |
| 16:31.02 | Dewin | but I didn't want to screw with my existing setup, so I've been alternating between two different WTF folders and two different Interface folders |
| 16:31.05 | Beladona | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_Flow |
| 16:31.11 | Dewin | one for actually playing, one for tweaking |
| 16:31.44 | nevcairiel | Why did i think about C Overflow first? |
| 16:31.49 | Shirik | That's what I saw |
| 16:31.56 | Beladona | bad |
| 16:32.29 | Dewin | me too nev |
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| 16:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Monday: snow |
| 16:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Tuesday: 50-60F, no snow |
| 16:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Wednesday (today): 300 feet visiblity due to snow freaking torrent |
| 16:43.47 | Vilkku | does anyone happen to know of a function that gets the status of announcements in a channel? I only found a function that toggles it |
| 16:44.15 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, you live in the Twilight Zone. |
| 16:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: the COLD Twilight Zone. |
| 16:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya, but I have no snows. |
| 16:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind that all of the snow monday melted overnight |
| 16:44.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Tuesday had -no- signs of it even being a little bit cold |
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| 16:47.57 | nevcairiel | We have snow today too :( |
| 16:48.45 | Lopeppeppy | I had frost. |
| 16:49.31 | Wraithan | I have craptons of rain. |
| 16:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like some rain. |
| 16:52.57 | Fisker- | CHOCOLATE RAIN? |
| 16:53.04 | durcyn | oh god |
| 16:53.36 | durcyn | Fisker- have you seen the tay zonday cover of rick astley |
| 16:53.57 | Fisker- | no |
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| 17:01.05 | cog|work | wtf... "If really 95% or more [...] have no care/use/etc for this right it's really not as important and as strong of a principal as it seems." |
| 17:01.13 | cog|work | O.o |
| 17:02.10 | Dashkal | ? |
| 17:02.15 | nevcairiel | Obviously you're an unimportant minority |
| 17:02.17 | nevcairiel | get with the time |
| 17:02.37 | cog|work | Dashkal: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1&pageNo=81#1616 |
| 17:02.48 | cog|work | agree with teh policy or not, that's an extremely disturbing world view |
| 17:03.02 | cog|work | of the "Hi bill of rights, let me piss all over you" variety |
| 17:03.11 | nevcairiel | Yeah that guy is weird |
| 17:04.07 | Dashkal | I read that as "Your rights mean nothing if _I_ don't care about them" |
| 17:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Away: jerk |
| 17:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Away: probably a good thing I had -all- of my money in the bank :P |
| 17:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | Whether you agree with that line of the post or not, there are interesting points in the post. |
| 17:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | Things are now evolving to meta-discussion rather than point by point heated flame war. I always find that more interesting, personally. |
| 17:06.50 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: what, the meta-discussion or the point by point flame war? |
| 17:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry, zenzelezz, meta-discussion is my favored level. |
| 17:08.46 | zenzelezz | how about just some heat? |
| 17:09.42 | Lopeppeppy | I did say earlier I was cold. Some cocoa would be nice. |
| 17:11.32 | Dewin | Hmmm |
| 17:13.41 | Dewin | Does the default UI change the action bar for stealthed rogues/shadowformed priests/ghost wolves? |
| 17:13.56 | Lopeppeppy | I know it did for rogues. |
| 17:14.15 | Dewin | How about boomkin and trees? |
| 17:14.18 | Legorol | yes on the shadowformed priest |
| 17:14.20 | VonhintenHOME` | yes to the first 2 |
| 17:14.27 | Lopeppeppy | I is not ever played those, dunno. |
| 17:14.47 | Aelobin | where's cidan? :< |
| 17:14.51 | VonhintenHOME` | ghost wolf no, travel form is default bar |
| 17:15.09 | Dewin | I'm trying to figure out how to make conditionals for changing the action bar that will work regardless of class. |
| 17:15.29 | Dewin | Problem is [stance:1] includes ghost wolf'd shamans according to wowwiki |
| 17:15.37 | Dewin | but I need it for bear/dire bear druids. |
| 17:16.17 | Dewin | this makes me wonder how the default UI does it. |
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| 17:22.38 | Dewin | I know [bonusbar:5] is for possessed units... I wonder if the others work like [stance] for druid forms/etc. |
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| 17:25.25 | alestane | [bonusbar] works off of the actual page used to store the actions for the stance or form in question. |
| 17:26.03 | alestane | In the case of warriors, it usually matches. |
| 17:26.03 | alestane | Or in most classes, actually. |
| 17:26.54 | alestane | but for druids, [form:1] should also be [bonusbar:1], [form:3] should be [bonusbar:2], [form:5] should be [bonusbar:3] for tree or moonkin druids, and the others should be [nobonusbar] |
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| 17:29.19 | NightHawkTheSane | man. fuck druids. :P |
| 17:29.19 | nevcairiel | just for correctness: bonusbar:1 is cat; bonusbar:2 is tree; 3 is bear, and 4 is moonkin |
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| 17:30.43 | nevcairiel | before the bonusbar triggers we had to guess at what forms the druids learned |
| 17:30.52 | nevcairiel | since some silly people skipped their damn aquatic quest |
| 17:30.57 | nevcairiel | and complaiend at me :( |
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| 17:33.56 | Dewin | Alestane/Nevcairiel: I just tried the various bonusbars on a druid and none worked. |
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| 17:34.14 | Dewin | that or I screwed up Macaroon, which is possible. |
| 17:36.41 | Dewin | since /dump GetBonusBarOffset() worked properly, highly possible ;) |
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| 17:37.30 | AckisWork | hmm donation info on wowi |
| 17:37.30 | kneeki | If I use 'local blah = 12345 or 0', blah will either return 12345 or 0 (if 12345 is actually nil) right? |
| 17:38.04 | selckin | try it and see |
| 17:38.26 | nevcairiel | kneeki: like 12345 will ever be nil! |
| 17:38.28 | nevcairiel | its a number! :) |
| 17:38.33 | kneeki | lol yeah |
| 17:38.37 | kneeki | it was just an example :) |
| 17:38.40 | nevcairiel | nil or false |
| 17:38.42 | nevcairiel | not only nil |
| 17:38.46 | kneeki | hmm, ok |
| 17:41.32 | AckisWork | wow Cairenn|afk it took you 4 minutes to approve ARL!! (you or whoever else is doing it right now) |
| 17:41.49 | cog|work | grr... the forums may remember my login info, but why do they still keep dropping my session? |
| 17:41.53 | durcyn | no one should approve ARL. |
| 17:41.58 | durcyn | it's a keylogger. |
| 17:41.59 | alestane | nevcairiel: I've submitted a fix. Ugly as all hell, but I think it works. |
| 17:42.04 | AckisWork | durcyn: lol |
| 17:42.09 | JackBurton7676 | is there a condition for notarget? |
| 17:42.23 | nevcairiel | noexists |
| 17:42.29 | nevcairiel | without any target modifiers |
| 17:42.31 | nevcairiel | should work |
| 17:42.35 | alestane | [noexists] |
| 17:42.41 | JackBurton7676 | thanks |
| 17:43.00 | alestane | You can say [target=target,noexists], but it's redundant. |
| 17:44.13 | JackBurton7676 | so /targetfocus [noexists] is a valid syntax? |
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| 17:44.56 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.09 | JackBurton7676 | .../bow |
| 17:46.51 | Dewin | Aha |
| 17:47.04 | Dewin | there is no such thing as [nobonusbar], you have to use [bonusbar:0] |
| 17:48.06 | alestane | Somehow I thought they would be synonymous...[stance:0] and [nostance] are the same AFAIK. |
| 17:48.16 | alestane | My bad then. |
| 17:48.35 | Dewin | yeah, I assumed that too when I tested it |
| 17:48.46 | alestane | Oh noes. Not that. Anything but that. |
| 17:48.47 | Dewin | it was only after testing that I came back to the channel and saw your suggestions |
| 17:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Time out corner, mister, and don't come out until.... I dunno when. |
| 17:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, no fair having fun in Time Out. *grumps* |
| 17:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, no fair helping the condemned, either. |
| 17:51.44 | alestane | Dewin: If I were actually trying to get out, don't you think I'd be using something better than a toothpick? |
| 17:52.09 | alestane | This way Peppy has to watch and make sure I'm sitting quietly. How is this not win? |
| 17:54.56 | Thunder_Child | fail http://cache-foo.gizmodo.com/gawker/assets/images/4/2009/03/504x_CHINAFASHION032409.jpg |
| 17:59.30 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, you truly do care about my entertainment, alestane! |
| 17:59.53 | alestane | If I were good you could just walk away. |
| 18:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepy Peppy! |
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| 18:05.07 | alestane | Peppy *is* sleepy, or Peppy *would be* bored and sleepy if I did that? |
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| 18:05.34 | Lopeppeppy | *dino dangerous yawn* |
| 18:05.51 | alestane | What big teeth you have... |
| 18:10.58 | Lopeppeppy | Go to bed, silly bear. |
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| 18:25.09 | Shirik | I can't Lopeppeppy |
| 18:25.13 | Shirik | not until I get this audit processed |
| 18:25.23 | Shirik | which won't be for another 30 minutes at least |
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| 18:25.25 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:25.46 | foxlit | wtb grep over all released addons |
| 18:26.41 | Lopeppeppy | Half an hour... we can plan ahead for that, Shirik. |
| 18:26.53 | Shirik | we? |
| 18:27.12 | foxlit | Peppy and the brain, brain brain, brain. |
| 18:28.03 | Lopeppeppy | Why not we? |
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| 18:38.39 | Shirik | Cairenn comes to sleep too Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:39.06 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 18:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone who needs a nap can share sleepions. I start to broadcast them at 3pm EST |
| 18:40.43 | Thunder_Child | that sounds like a boring manage et toi |
| 18:40.53 | Thunder_Child | ménage à trois* |
| 18:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | TC, piss off. |
| 18:40.56 | durcyn | terrible french |
| 18:40.59 | durcyn | oh, better french. |
| 18:41.22 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, like you excepted anything else? |
| 18:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sour grapes because you're not invited? And you expected anything else? |
| 18:41.57 | Shirik | sleepions? |
| 18:41.59 | Arrowmaster | good night Shirik, im going to go take a nap |
| 18:42.00 | Thunder_Child | to sleep? hardly |
| 18:42.05 | Shirik | I'm not taking a nap |
| 18:42.08 | Shirik | Not for another 30 minutes |
| 18:42.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepions. They are the field emitted to help one sleep. Cats in the sunlight oooooze them. |
| 18:43.01 | Shirik | Is this on wikipedia? |
| 18:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | No, but feel free to put it there. |
| 18:43.26 | Shirik | I think you should |
| 18:43.30 | Shirik | you seem to be the expert in the subject |
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| 18:43.52 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 18:44.02 | Shirik | rawr! |
| 18:44.14 | Lopeppeppy | Good deal. Make it so, number one. |
| 18:44.35 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:44.38 | Beladona | who does number two work for? |
| 18:44.45 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 18:44.51 | Thunder_Child | mixing movie |
| 18:44.52 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 18:44.53 | Thunder_Child | people |
| 18:45.12 | Beladona | so? |
| 18:45.22 | VonhintenHOME` | You don't sound like Picard unless you say "Numba One" |
| 18:45.24 | Thunder_Child | it hurt's us it does |
| 18:45.30 | Beladona | Austin Powers on the set of STNG would be hot |
| 18:45.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Compensate baby, yeah! |
| 18:48.01 | Thunder_Child | you know he would make a sex joke about reversing polarity |
| 18:50.41 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:51.00 | Beladona | he would be all over Troi |
| 18:51.32 | alestane | So what am I feeling right NOW, baby? |
| 18:51.54 | VonhintenHOME` | They'd have to bring back Lefler for that episode... |
| 18:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | "My left elbow, apparently" |
| 18:54.15 | cog|work | VonhintenHOME`: that was ashley judd's character right? |
| 18:54.25 | VonhintenHOME` | mmmmmm Ashley Judd |
| 18:54.34 | VonhintenHOME` | yep |
| 18:54.49 | cog|work | the fact that i knew that from her character name disturbs me... |
| 18:55.03 | cog|work | interesting trivia: wil wheaton was her first on-screen kiss in that episode |
| 18:55.21 | cog|work | s/interesting// |
| 18:55.29 | cog|work | depending on who you ask :P |
| 18:56.51 | VonhintenHOME` | She's still hot as hell |
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| 19:21.20 | Thrae | Hey, still passed my Network+ after a half-an-hour of studying material that didn't apply. |
| 19:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | Congrats, Thrae. |
| 19:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | Grrr, Cog, Farm Town is broken for me today, how are you getting it to work! Rawr. |
| 19:23.18 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: dunno... want me to harvest your farm? |
| 19:23.29 | cog|work | it's been working fine for me except one data save error |
| 19:24.00 | cog|work | i'm in ur farm petting ur animalz |
| 19:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | I get a blank green screen, no flash, nothing to interact with. Rawr. |
| 19:24.13 | cog|work | phooey. |
| 19:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe it's a work connection thing. |
| 19:25.03 | cog|work | O look... they fixed the "new post" indicator on th eforums |
| 19:25.15 | kd3 | yay |
| 19:26.11 | Lopeppeppy | Did they? Will it last? |
| 19:26.35 | cog|work | it will probably only last as long as your session doesn't get dumped :P |
| 19:27.06 | kd3 | so, every other minute or so? |
| 19:27.56 | Lopeppeppy | Microseconds. |
| 19:28.05 | kd3 | whoa, what just happened? an f-22 crashed? |
| 19:28.22 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.00 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* Edwards AFB |
| 19:30.06 | Shirik | no sleepions |
| 19:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepions! It's been an hour even! |
| 19:33.36 | Jamash | is a sleepion a quantum particle of sleep or a pokemon |
| 19:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | Quantum particle of sleep |
| 19:38.57 | Shirik | lol @ pokemon |
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| 19:43.50 | cog|work | huh... when did IE get an actual source viewer instead of opening files in notepad? |
| 19:44.02 | cog|work | or is that just a side effect of visual studio? |
| 19:44.44 | Lopeppeppy | It's not in unmodified IE, that's for sure. |
| 19:44.44 | ScytheBlade1 | The latter |
| 19:46.10 | Fisker- | i jizzed in Shirik's pants |
| 19:46.15 | Shirik | ~stab Fisker- |
| 19:46.16 | purl | ACTION runs at Fisker- with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: you actually playing, or using the proxy? |
| 19:46.40 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You missed a golden opportunity last night |
| 19:46.46 | Shirik | I fell asleep while my script was running |
| 19:46.55 | Shirik | and my ship was sitting out, ready to be preyed upon |
| 19:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I missed quite a bit last night, and flew right into Esy |
| 19:46.58 | VonhintenHOME` | cog, how source opens is a setting in IE |
| 19:47.04 | Shirik | nice |
| 19:47.04 | Aelobin | arrgh i dont wanna go survival but i haz to for explosive shot >_> |
| 19:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: then I ran away and taunted him |
| 19:47.19 | Jamash | wtb explosive shot nerf on live |
| 19:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: and he eventually found and nuked me |
| 19:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: on the bright side, I had all of my money banked :P |
| 19:47.51 | selckin | what game are you talking about? |
| 19:47.56 | Shirik | TradeWars |
| 19:48.07 | Aelobin | Jamash: is there a nerf on ptr? |
| 19:48.12 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I probably shouldnt' be giving you tips |
| 19:48.13 | Jamash | yep |
| 19:48.15 | Aelobin | what nerf? |
| 19:48.16 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: saw your q... not sure the best way to respond |
| 19:48.18 | Shirik | but it's a good idea to have your bank always sitting at max |
| 19:48.44 | Jamash | "Base damage lowered by 10%. Attack power scaling reduced by 12.5%" |
| 19:48.56 | Aelobin | ty |
| 19:49.02 | Shirik | CoH healing done increased by 5000% |
| 19:49.10 | Aelobin | hmm wonder if it'll stil be worth it |
| 19:49.11 | Jamash | lawl |
| 19:50.28 | Aelobin | this is what i went for before i realised how important explosive is: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?tal=000000000000000000000000000053050310050122501000000005103002510003330503031000000 |
| 19:50.59 | Sixen | kd3 |
| 19:51.05 | kd3 | hm? |
| 19:51.06 | Jamash | yeah explosive shot is crazy good on live |
| 19:51.13 | Sixen | Are you Celilis on the PTR Forums? |
| 19:51.15 | Aelobin | have you tested on ptr? |
| 19:51.17 | kd3 | no |
| 19:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: and now I have even less of an opportunity... I totally died again |
| 19:51.19 | Sixen | Or is that just someone else with the same server? |
| 19:51.20 | Sixen | :p |
| 19:51.29 | Jamash | not really |
| 19:51.35 | kd3 | I only post on kd3 |
| 19:51.37 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, you are so win |
| 19:51.44 | Shirik | At least you have another evil gnome to support you |
| 19:51.53 | Sixen | Well, I only post on Sixen, but the little bug is annoying and sometimes I forget :p |
| 19:51.55 | Jamash | I spend most of my time on the PTR fixing my addon |
| 19:52.11 | Jamash | which reminds me, I need to see if it's still broken on the current build |
| 19:52.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: support is relative... most of the time I just pick a random sector to fly to and log out in |
| 19:52.22 | Shirik | do you cloak at all? |
| 19:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm cheap :P |
| 19:52.34 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen, your theory on the Armory being why posting toons was being reset is busted. Didn't work for me, sorry. |
| 19:52.44 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: you sohuld come park in my home sector (it's in the google doc) |
| 19:52.49 | cog|work | you'll be well protected |
| 19:52.52 | Sixen | Yeah Peppy, :(. |
| 19:52.56 | Shirik | you guys are using google docs? |
| 19:52.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: I commonly do |
| 19:52.58 | Shirik | That's a good idea |
| 19:52.59 | cog|work | just make sure you stop at the stardock to get rid of any limpet mines |
| 19:53.01 | Shirik | Esamynn|Away! |
| 19:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | Frelled up. A lot of dinos are not happy about it. |
| 19:53.07 | cog|work | before you give away our location :P |
| 19:53.10 | Sixen | Sorry, it was just a theory. You won't beat me up, right? |
| 19:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, it was worth a try. |
| 19:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | If I just dock there, will they be automatically removed? |
| 19:53.24 | Sixen | =| |
| 19:53.29 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: For a fee |
| 19:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I've tried to dock there to remove them before, never found the option |
| 19:53.39 | Shirik | they will warn you when you dock |
| 19:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | okay cool |
| 19:53.45 | Shirik | some guy will run up to you |
| 19:54.19 | Shirik | And then if you don't have money |
| 19:54.26 | Shirik | he frowns and has pity on you |
| 19:54.32 | Shirik | and walks away |
| 19:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 19:55.19 | Sixen | Perhaps it's defaulting to the highest level character on the "Default" server you have on your WoW client? You know, it shows the server name on the bottom-right hand corner of the screen for the server you were last logged into. |
| 19:55.54 | Aelobin | is black arrow a talent or ability? |
| 19:56.11 | Jamash | talent |
| 19:56.15 | Shirik | ok I go home now |
| 19:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, not while driving. *hug* |
| 19:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | Go home, dear. |
| 19:56.46 | Jamash | I just got told I suck on the ptr for not being 80 |
| 19:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, Sixen. |
| 19:56.58 | durcyn | Don't Sleep and Drive, that's what they tell you |
| 19:57.01 | alestane | Hang a towel over your head to block them and wring it out when you get home...or maybe not. |
| 19:57.28 | Aelobin | Jamash: talent where? 0.o |
| 19:57.35 | Jamash | Survival (ptr only) |
| 19:57.39 | Sixen | :( |
| 19:57.44 | Sixen | I'm trying here Peppy, I am.. |
| 19:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | It's one screwbally stupid error. Did you see how many dinos came to sound off about it? |
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| 19:58.22 | Sixen | Yeah, I read through the whole thread, =/. |
| 19:58.29 | Sixen | I think it's the first time Crepe's posted in a while. |
| 19:58.56 | alestane | Jamash: I've had people say things like that to me more than once. I've given up trying to explain that the PTR is useful for more than just testing new endgame content. |
| 19:59.14 | Sixen | Kozzae needs to post sometime. |
| 20:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | My response is usually, "STFU, go raid and leave me alone", then the Ignore button. |
| 20:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | What time I get on the PTR is not to be wasted looking at idjits. |
| 20:01.17 | Cairenn | "I'm a mod author" /ignore |
| 20:01.53 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, how would i go about rasing my rep? |
| 20:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is more mean than Cirenn. |
| 20:04.01 | Cairenn | "Yeah, you know that mod you're using right now for your precious endgame content & raids? I wrote it. Want it to still work when this goes live?" /ignore |
| 20:04.27 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: your alignment? attack bad guys, make planets, etc |
| 20:04.35 | Thunder_Child | someone always steps in to fill the void |
| 20:04.56 | Thunder_Child | cog|work....ok |
| 20:05.19 | Jamash | sigh, talent spec swap events are still wrong |
| 20:06.01 | alestane | Once your rep is positive, the Feds will start taxing you daily to support them against the Ferrengi, and you'll get rep for that, too. |
| 20:06.17 | Tekkub | bah I'm gonna need to add some basic dual-talent profiles into cork |
| 20:06.25 | cog|work | not that the ferrengi are much of a threat now that Esamynn|Away claimed their planet |
| 20:06.26 | alestane | Most of mine came from blowing up evil players and alien traders. |
| 20:06.26 | Thunder_Child | alestane, it was, but i dumped a load of colonists |
| 20:06.53 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was a diff kind of cargo |
| 20:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* I bet. |
| 20:07.13 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.31 | Lopeppeppy | Spacing the cargo is bad form, listen to Jabba |
| 20:07.32 | alestane | Um, that's a good thing to verify before hitting the big red button. Remind me never to hire you as a colonial pilot. |
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| 20:10.50 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:10.58 | alestane | GO to sleep! |
| 20:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Why are we telling Shirik to disappear? |
| 20:11.25 | Shirik | wtf |
| 20:16.29 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: wasn't it you that dared me to come find you? |
| 20:16.35 | alestane | Forums down again? |
| 20:16.46 | cog|work | aye |
| 20:17.06 | Lopeppeppy | Usprise! |
| 20:17.26 | Thunder_Child | hah, you can get an interdictor cruiser....but there is jump points, not unlimited hyperspace |
| 20:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: I didn't expect you to actually find me out of 5k sectors, I hoped you would run into cog's stuff first :P |
| 20:17.59 | alestane | The interdictor cruiser stops people from running away while you try to blow them up. |
| 20:18.19 | cog|work | alestane: can friendly ships leave? |
| 20:18.30 | cog|work | or is it all ships in the same sector that are stuck? |
| 20:18.52 | alestane | I was never in an environment where multiple people could play at once before, so they were of limited usefulness. |
| 20:20.11 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: :P |
| 20:20.30 | Esamynn | just be happy I didn't hunt you down and SD you :P |
| 20:20.35 | Esamynn | after podding you |
| 20:20.39 | cog|work | i'm just glad none of you attacked my transwarp fighter i had stationed outside sector 1 while I was doing a massive colonization run ;) |
| 20:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: oh don't worry I managed that on my own |
| 20:20.53 | Esamynn | cog|work: lol |
| 20:22.22 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: ouch :( |
| 20:22.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: meh, I don't think I've gone a day without dying :P |
| 20:23.01 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:23.42 | Aelobin | does chimera shot share a CD with anything? :P |
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| 20:25.54 | Esamynn | Sbo was attacked by Star Port Gorram Annex! |
| 20:25.55 | Esamynn | Sbo's Scout Marauder was destroyed by StarPort Gorram Annex! |
| 20:25.57 | Esamynn | haha |
| 20:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't read the logs too far back, you may not stop laughing |
| 20:26.32 | Esamynn | oh, I read the log daily ;) |
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| 20:27.13 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man |
| 20:27.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Mr Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on a business trip on Aug 6, 1945, when a US B-29 dropped an atomic bomb on the city. He then returned to his home in Nagasaki just in time for the second attack, officials said. |
| 20:27.40 | Esamynn | O_o bad luck |
| 20:27.49 | Olison | Bad day |
| 20:27.52 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 20:27.57 | Thunder_Child | certified for both |
| 20:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/5044798/Double-atomic-bomb-survivor-found-in-Japan.html |
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| 20:29.50 | ronghail | he then traveled to the us and was put in a camp unti the end of the war |
| 20:30.04 | ronghail | he later sued the us govt on equal protection grounds and lost |
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| 20:34.21 | Thunder_Child | damit cog|work, i just made a new planet and my alignment went down 10 pointa |
| 20:34.27 | Thunder_Child | -a +s |
| 20:34.38 | Exawatt | When using Lua in XML event handler tags, what's the difference between "self" and "this"? |
| 20:34.41 | durcyn | stop making evil planets. |
| 20:34.57 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 20:35.02 | foxlit | self is a parameter to your function, this exists in your function's environment |
| 20:35.03 | Legorol | OMG! 3D died! \o/ |
| 20:35.07 | Legorol | sorry, had to share it |
| 20:35.10 | Legorol | our first kill :) |
| 20:35.36 | Legorol | been trying for weeks |
| 20:35.39 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: *shrug* wander around the space lanes looking for good aliens to kill? |
| 20:35.42 | Legorol | voidwalker MT on Sart did it for us :o) |
| 20:35.54 | cog|work | or attack me :P |
| 20:36.00 | Exawatt | @foxlit So I would use "this:GetName()" inside the tags, but if I'm passing the frame to something, I use "function(self)" ? |
| 20:36.01 | Thunder_Child | i did however name it cog fail in honor |
| 20:36.21 | foxlit | Exawatt: use self in both cases. |
| 20:36.53 | Exawatt | @foxlit When would you use "this" ? |
| 20:37.01 | foxlit | You generally wouldn't. |
| 20:37.08 | End | this is deprecated |
| 20:37.22 | foxlit | It's a remnant from the days self did not exist. |
| 20:37.24 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: http://www.classictw.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=21139 maybe helps? |
| 20:37.29 | Exawatt | Oh. Well that works. Thanks foxlit and End. :) |
| 20:46.03 | Thunder_Child | thanks cog|work |
| 20:46.31 | cog|work | Esamynn: why'd you just log in if you weren't going to leave your sector? QQ |
| 20:46.46 | cog|work | i had a nasty surprise waiting for you :P |
| 20:50.53 | foxlit | Anyone familiar with <Optional Dependencies> on Anachronos (EU)? |
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| 21:05.48 | malreth | the world is a good place, mostly. also there are penises. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2336886.ece |
| 21:06.10 | Esamynn | cog|work: :P |
| 21:06.18 | Esamynn | had to got a meeting |
| 21:09.11 | VonhintenHOME` | sigh... see, in the US, they'd have that kid in a mental institution and would be all serious about the ramifications and events leading up to "the tragedy" |
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| 21:13.00 | Jamash | either that or become an internet celebrity and get his own reality show |
| 21:13.33 | Jamash | not that there's much difference between a mental institiution and a reality show |
| 21:13.49 | VonhintenHOME` | same cast, at least |
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| 21:17.31 | cog|work | GRCHCRHCR(G*#(*#@H(*@#! Esamynn: Shirik: would my interest be to conflicted if i want to reduce the bust rate? I've increased the port regen for you good guys... I just can't compete for XP while robbing or $ with normal trading since i can't get a low-turn, high hold ship. |
| 21:17.37 | cog|work | too* |
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| 21:18.01 | kd3 | wtb unarmed 400 |
| 21:18.14 | Esamynn | cog|work: umm, I don't think you can affect the chances of you getting busted |
| 21:18.15 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/banana.jpg |
| 21:18.26 | Esamynn | do you mean the bust clear rate? |
| 21:19.07 | cog|work | isn't there like a "steal factor" or something? |
| 21:19.30 | cog|work | This setting determines the factor used with a player's experience to |
| 21:19.30 | cog|work | generate a success probability when stealing product from a port. You will |
| 21:19.30 | cog|work | specify a percent of the standard factor from 10% to 850% in increments of |
| 21:19.30 | cog|work | ten percent. |
| 21:19.58 | Esamynn | oh, I can't see that setting externally |
| 21:20.03 | cog|work | no you can't :P |
| 21:20.09 | Esamynn | what is it at? |
| 21:20.16 | cog|work | 100 |
| 21:20.39 | cog|work | though i'm not sure i quite understand what a change means (or even which direction would make it better) |
| 21:22.34 | Esamynn | I'm looking |
| 21:22.55 | cog|work | me too... |
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| 21:24.33 | Esamynn | how many holds are you trying to steal cog? |
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| 21:24.38 | cog|work | 150 |
| 21:25.10 | Esamynn | odd, you should be well under the point where you're increasing your chances of a bust |
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| 21:26.10 | cog|work | i suppose since it penalizes me a percentage of my xp, there will always be a leveling off point |
| 21:26.35 | cog|work | of max xp for me |
| 21:26.39 | cog|work | unless i give up robbing |
| 21:26.44 | cog|work | meh... |
| 21:26.44 | Esamynn | cog|work: I take it back, I can see those settings |
| 21:27.01 | Esamynn | cog|work: maybe you need to try for more holds? |
| 21:27.06 | Esamynn | does more holds give you more exp? |
| 21:27.22 | cog|work | yes. 150 is the most of any ship though |
| 21:27.40 | Esamynn | there is a reason all the strategy guides say you should rob with a colt :P |
| 21:27.51 | cog|work | hmm.. |
| 21:28.12 | Esamynn | but I don't think adjusting that setting will help you at this point |
| 21:28.17 | cog|work | yeah |
| 21:28.18 | Esamynn | I don't think you can go below at 2% bust chance |
| 21:28.32 | cog|work | i'll just have to come attack you |
| 21:28.39 | cog|work | if i want xp |
| 21:28.40 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:28.43 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:28.52 | cog|work | gee darn |
| 21:29.05 | malreth | New corner shot accessory: http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9342/meowoy7.jpg |
| 21:30.27 | Esamynn | cog|work: you're welcome to come attack my sector if you want to get podded ;) |
| 21:30.40 | cog|work | you have a cannon? |
| 21:31.02 | Esamynn | yes, but I don't need one |
| 21:31.18 | cog|work | what... you think i'm worried about that 50k fighters you have up there? |
| 21:31.28 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:31.46 | Esamynn | unless you bring an Interdictor Cruiser, you'll get podded :P |
| 21:32.00 | cog|work | like the one I just bought? rawr! |
| 21:32.09 | cog|work | i also have gnomish cohorts :P |
| 21:32.25 | cog|work | I also have enough figs to fully stock the IC |
| 21:32.49 | Esamynn | very well |
| 21:32.51 | Esamynn | bring it! |
| 21:33.04 | cog|work | oh it's aleady been bUHroughten! |
| 21:33.26 | cog|work | no, not really... |
| 21:35.31 | Thunder_Child | grrr...some one go fix drdamage already! |
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| 21:37.47 | Stanzilla | Thunder_Child: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=3659&page=153 :P |
| 21:37.50 | Pwntang | hi there |
| 21:38.24 | Pwntang | does anyone know why wowbench is complaining about the following line in my xml |
| 21:38.26 | Pwntang | AutoGroupAccept_OnEvent(self, event, ...) |
| 21:38.32 | Pwntang | it doesn't like the ... for some reason |
| 21:38.41 | Pwntang | it also complains about it in my lua script |
| 21:39.09 | cog|work | Pwntang: wowbench was designed long before patch 2.0 |
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| 21:39.17 | cog|work | which introduced a new version of Lua |
| 21:39.26 | cog|work | the ... syntax didn't exist back then |
| 21:39.37 | Pwntang | aaaah. That makes sense! |
| 21:39.47 | Pwntang | I thought I've been going crazy here! |
| 21:40.11 | Thunder_Child | Stanzilla, but it isnt fixed yet so it doesnt help my QQ'ing, but thanks anyway |
| 21:40.12 | cog|work | afaik, it's a dead (or at least dormant) project |
| 21:40.23 | End | yeah, wowbench is pretty dead |
| 21:40.27 | cog|work | it would be a LOT of work to bring it up to date |
| 21:40.39 | Pwntang | ok...perhaps I wont use it. I thought it would be good to test addons before using them in game |
| 21:41.04 | Stanzilla | Thunder_Child: read the last few posts..nobody wants to maintain it :P |
| 21:41.11 | Tuller | maintain what? |
| 21:41.18 | Stanzilla | DrDamage |
| 21:41.22 | Tuller | evil! |
| 21:41.36 | Tuller | at least, I think so |
| 21:41.44 | foxlit | DrHorribleDamage, personally |
| 21:41.45 | Tuller | can't remember if its on the evil list or not |
| 21:41.54 | Stanzilla | I never used it :( |
| 21:42.02 | End | the evil list of evil? |
| 21:42.21 | Anaral | My guild leader is a huge fan of the Doc |
| 21:42.37 | Thunder_Child | Tuller, evil? |
| 21:42.57 | Stanzilla | kills the whole surprise effect if you crit over ninethousaaaand! |
| 21:43.03 | Pwntang | if I were to use the following event handler: AutoGroupAccept_OnEvent(self, event, ...) |
| 21:43.04 | Tuller | at least one of the "we put text on your actionbars" addons is on the evil list |
| 21:43.25 | Pwntang | could I use something like 'local name = ...' within the lua script? |
| 21:43.31 | Thunder_Child | Tuller, you can take it off.... |
| 21:43.38 | malreth | there's an evil list of addons? |
| 21:43.40 | Pwntang | (I'm very new to this if you hadn't guessed! |
| 21:43.51 | cog|work | Pwntang: ... is syntactically invalid in the version of lua that comes with wowbench |
| 21:44.05 | Pwntang | I'm not talking about wowbench now |
| 21:44.09 | cog|work | oh... sry |
| 21:44.11 | End | then, yes, you can |
| 21:44.15 | Pwntang | I won't use it anymore |
| 21:44.16 | End | local x,y,z = ... |
| 21:44.29 | End | that'll pick up the first three items in your var args. |
| 21:44.32 | Pwntang | the event I'm trying to use doesn't have more than one arg |
| 21:44.37 | bleeter | cog|work: COW HATER! |
| 21:44.38 | Pwntang | just one |
| 21:44.42 | cog|work | MOOOOOOO! |
| 21:44.48 | cog|work | bleeter: no i love cows |
| 21:44.51 | bleeter | cog|work: HOW DARE YOU!!! |
| 21:44.52 | cog|work | especially Moohamed |
| 21:45.27 | End | well, you can try to pick up args that don't exist, or not try to pick up all of them |
| 21:45.28 | bleeter | I'm rather fond of a cow on my realm, Malmooninga.. but I think only Aussies or rugby fans would get the joke |
| 21:45.41 | End | so yes, you can do local name = ... |
| 21:46.35 | bleeter | cog|work: Actually, on my realm I'm known as the guy who runs around saying '[Taurahe]: PAW' all the time |
| 21:46.57 | bleeter | cog|work: had a few guildies join and remark that they know me from my noises around Dalaran ;) |
| 21:47.04 | cog|work | rofl |
| 21:47.19 | bleeter | ah the joys of lowpop realms ;) |
| 21:48.57 | Tuller | hrm, now that HasAction works in a secure context |
| 21:49.30 | Tuller | what other crap doesn't work if I completely redo the action buttons |
| 21:50.05 | Tuller | and why did I go to a gryphon trainer to respec |
| 21:59.39 | smcn | new class imo |
| 22:02.06 | Tuller | okay rogue question: i'm about to implement a slider for shadowdance |
| 22:02.14 | Tuller | should it default to the stealth bar, or no? |
| 22:02.34 | Tuller | the 80 rogue me says "yes" |
| 22:04.16 | nevcairiel | I suppose |
| 22:04.50 | nevcairiel | How do you do secure paging on shadow dance? |
| 22:04.57 | nevcairiel | or do i misunderstand you? =P |
| 22:05.50 | Tuller | [form:3] :P |
| 22:05.59 | Tuller | 3.1 change |
| 22:06.01 | nevcairiel | there is a damn form for that now? |
| 22:06.02 | nevcairiel | ah. |
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| 22:06.04 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 22:06.21 | Tuller | the real question is, "why form:3?" |
| 22:06.52 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:06.58 | Tuller | well, meta is form:2 |
| 22:07.03 | nevcairiel | warlocks are on form:2 without a form:1 either |
| 22:07.54 | Tuller | it just kindof bugs me that they don't use bonusbars for em |
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| 22:09.14 | Tuller | of if anything, merge form:x and bonsubar:x |
| 22:09.23 | Tuller | and give me a [vehicle] and a [possess] |
| 22:10.06 | Shefki | target=vehicle, exists |
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| 22:10.47 | Shefki | Depending on what you want to do that may or may not be helpful. |
| 22:11.32 | Tuller | well, I know that one |
| 22:11.40 | Tuller | its a little more complex though |
| 22:11.55 | Tuller | [target=vehicle,exists,bonusbar:5] |
| 22:12.01 | Tuller | or, I think |
| 22:12.17 | Shefki | Don't see why you need the bonusbar:5 |
| 22:12.27 | Tuller | I needed that exact conditional for something |
| 22:12.39 | Shefki | Hmm. |
| 22:13.32 | nevcairiel | I think tuller wants a proper condition for UnitHasVehicleUI |
| 22:13.51 | nevcairiel | target=vehicle,exists also triggers on a passenger seat without abilities |
| 22:13.59 | Tuller | yes, that's it |
| 22:14.10 | nevcairiel | combined with bonusbar:5 it should be the same |
| 22:14.13 | nevcairiel | hopefully |
| 22:14.39 | Tuller | I think my crazy idea for a vehicle bar is, "create an override binding bar" |
| 22:15.11 | Shefki | I've been tempted to write an addon that lets you rearrange the keys for a given vehicle and remembers them. |
| 22:15.16 | Shefki | I hate Blizzards layout. |
| 22:15.26 | Shefki | Sometimes they take and put the one you spam on 1. |
| 22:15.29 | Shefki | Sometimes it's on 3. |
| 22:15.43 | foxlit | Are you sure there's a way to do that? |
| 22:15.45 | Shefki | There's no logical design behind which buttons they put where. |
| 22:16.06 | Shefki | foxlit: No I'm not positive. |
| 22:16.13 | foxlit | (you're right in the premise, of course -- I just doubt that there's a general way to make what you want work) |
| 22:16.35 | Shefki | I'm pretty sure I could do it if you got on the vehcile out of combat. |
| 22:16.39 | End | yeah |
| 22:16.41 | Shefki | But it would probably fall apart for stuff like Malygos |
| 22:16.53 | foxlit | ++ for the idea that vehicle combat should be simplified to "press x not to die" |
| 22:17.16 | foxlit | (or was it "press x to not die"?) |
| 22:17.23 | End | I depend heavily on muscle memory, and changing things on me sucks |
| 22:17.57 | Shefki | Vehicle Combat is the one part of the UI we can't really customize to suit our whims. |
| 22:18.43 | foxlit | Most things they've tacked on in 3.0 have been rather... sub-par, quality-wise. |
| 22:18.55 | foxlit | Donated code excepted. |
| 22:18.58 | Legorol | foxlit: that's subjective |
| 22:19.07 | Legorol | I personally love the look and feel of the vehicle UI |
| 22:19.18 | Shefki | Legorol: I don't think he means how it looks. |
| 22:19.36 | Legorol | ok, what's wrong with it quality wise then? |
| 22:20.16 | foxlit | The vehicle UI? The lack of any sort of ability to customize it reliably. |
| 22:20.17 | Legorol | actually nvm, i gtg. would love to debate but can't :) |
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| 22:32.38 | Pwntang | is it possible to send an emote, such as /wave, using SendChatMessage ?? |
| 22:32.59 | Tekkub | DoEmote I believe |
| 22:33.10 | Tekkub | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api/DoEmote |
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| 22:33.28 | Pwntang | nice one. thanks! |
| 22:34.14 | bleeter | also works in SendChatMessage if you set the channel to EMOTE, from memory |
| 22:34.26 | bleeter | er s/channel/type/ |
| 22:34.30 | kneeki | Elsia online here in any form? |
| 22:34.44 | Tekkub | that should be "/em does shit" type emotes |
| 22:34.48 | Tekkub | there's a different |
| 22:34.55 | Tekkub | s/ent/ence/ |
| 22:35.09 | bleeter | Pwntang: yeah ^^^ |
| 22:35.12 | bleeter | Tekkub: MOAR COFFEE |
| 22:35.22 | Tekkub | coffee is SPEW |
| 22:35.31 | bleeter | no u |
| 22:35.44 | Tekkub | I've already trained myself to not taste Dew |
| 22:35.52 | Tekkub | not doing that for a second source of caffine |
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| 22:37.52 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone here using DoTimer on the PTR? |
| 22:42.14 | Tekkub | Maldivia, without anything but the addon name, I'm gonna say it's an isMine issue |
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| 22:44.11 | Esamynn | careful now Tekkub, you know what happens when you assume! |
| 22:44.12 | Maldivia | Tekkub: yeah, figured it out in the meantime :) |
| 22:44.21 | Maldivia | adding a isMine=isMine=="player" helped :) |
| 22:44.56 | Thunder_Child | i have sharded at LEAST 6 abyss crystals but havent won one :( |
| 22:45.04 | foxlit | isMine = ({player=true, vehicle=true, pet=true})[isMine]; |
| 22:45.12 | foxlit | because you can never have enough garbage collection! |
| 22:45.21 | Esamynn | ~lart foxlit |
| 22:45.21 | purl | whacks foxlit with the cluebat |
| 22:45.29 | Tekkub | told ya |
| 22:45.39 | Maldivia | foxlit: well, I'm only interested in the hots I cast, not my vehicle :) |
| 22:46.19 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a good mod for keeping a list of fail players? |
| 22:46.29 | foxlit | /ignore! |
| 22:46.47 | foxlit | (or friends list with a very special note) |
| 22:47.53 | Thunder_Child | ~lart foxlit |
| 22:47.53 | purl | puts foxlit into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of foxlit's hair of |
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| 22:50.41 | Thunder_Child | response* |
| 22:51.41 | Dewin | So after 4 days of working on a new UI setup, I decide I don't like it and go back to the old one. :-/ |
| 22:51.53 | Lopeppeppy | ... failboat |
| 22:52.03 | cog|work | "Anybody get replies from WoWUI@blizzard.com?" http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15973347327&sid=1 |
| 22:55.27 | Dewin | Maybe I will wimp out and just try something premade *eyes nUI* |
| 22:55.35 | bleeter | cog|work: nope, mind you I've not sent them any emails yet...I've been too busy fixing up the absolute CSS references in the following forum posts: |
| 22:55.39 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/how_to_earn_money_from_wow_within_blizz_rules/ |
| 22:56.51 | bleeter | which reminds me |
| 22:57.06 | bleeter | the guy who was interested in the method of stippign authenticators from accounts was interested in the body of that thread |
| 22:57.11 | bleeter | wonder where he is.. hmm |
| 22:57.23 | Arrowmaster | wtf my account is 'inactive' |
| 22:57.36 | Arrowmaster | according to the forums |
| 22:57.37 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: forum posting? |
| 22:57.44 | bleeter | yar bnet induced bug |
| 22:57.46 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: bnet shizz |
| 22:57.52 | bleeter | you don't even need to merge accounts for it to happen |
| 22:58.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah i havent yet |
| 22:58.01 | Gnarfoz | yep, couldn't post for the past week |
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| 23:02.42 | JackBurton7676 | anyone have a url that lasts all the key binding files like bindings-cache for example? |
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| 23:04.41 | Maldivia | world server down.... :| |
| 23:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | Again? Wheeeee! |
| 23:05.46 | Maldivia | server announcement about ulduar was open, and then everyone disconnected ) |
| 23:06.50 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:16.01 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN2HAroA12w |
| 23:16.27 | p3lim | im looking for an AH addon that "minimizes" the buy list, and adds better support for mass-auctioning |
| 23:17.05 | p3lim | cba big packages like Auctionator and Auctioneer |
| 23:20.48 | Gnarfoz | Auctioneer! |
| 23:20.49 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:21.23 | bleeter | auctioneer's not that big if you pull out all the sub-modules you don't intend to use... /shrug |
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| 23:21.43 | bleeter | after all the effort norgs went to modularise it so people could make it as small as they want .. ppl still bitch =)) |
| 23:22.05 | nevcairiel | It comes in one big zip! |
| 23:22.14 | Gnarfoz | wait, you're doing this "rational reply" thing? |
| 23:22.18 | Gnarfoz | man :\ |
| 23:22.43 | bleeter | BAD BAD BLEETER! |
| 23:23.21 | bleeter | btw, for those who've been wondering where norg's been given the recent excitement in the community, I spoke to him this morning.. he's had some very heavy work issues crop up :( |
| 23:23.22 | Gnarfoz | that's more like it |
| 23:23.35 | bleeter | and as such can't connect atm |
| 23:24.00 | Lopeppeppy | Glad norgs is well, I've missed him. |
| 23:24.16 | bleeter | I dunno about well, he didn't sound too thrilled at life atm |
| 23:24.29 | bleeter | then again, that might've just been my call to him @ 9am that he weren't thrilled at |
| 23:24.38 | bleeter | or just me calling in general =)) |
| 23:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | Never poke a man early in the morning and expect good temper. |
| 23:27.56 | cog|work | bleeter: here's an idea... Addon popus up a message like "To avoid seeing this message in the future, please visit http://whatever.addon.site to obtain a FREE unlock code" |
| 23:28.20 | cog|work | site has prominent donation links |
| 23:28.26 | cog|work | ZorbaTHut: ^ |
| 23:28.28 | bleeter | cog|work: a variation on my license of 'to use this addon, please remove the 'donation' function' |
| 23:28.53 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.12 | cog|work | Cairenn: they push our limits, we push back. such is life. |
| 23:29.33 | Gnarfoz | until you leave kindergarten, that is |
| 23:29.36 | bleeter | I'm quite fond of the pro-gamer angle this morning, dunno why |
| 23:29.55 | Cairenn | I still wish you guys would wait and see if there is some sort of clarification coming |
| 23:30.28 | Tekkub | Cairenn, uhm, frankly... none of us think there is |
| 23:30.33 | bleeter | Cairenn: you know I've been waiting nearly a year for my clarification request |
| 23:30.41 | bleeter | Cairenn: I'm not holding my breath on that score |
| 23:31.05 | Cairenn | instead of coming up with ways to split hairs so you can violate the spirit of the policy while appearing to uphold the letter of it |
| 23:31.38 | bleeter | the spirit of the policy is to take a huge turd on me... I don't see where I'm violating the spirit by dumping on blizz in return |
| 23:32.01 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: i don't know many kindergarteners who stand up for principles that won't have any direct effect on them... |
| 23:32.02 | Pwntang | how do u get the select() function to return only a single value pls? |
| 23:32.02 | Cairenn | instead of trying to do that, why not come up with constructive suggestions you could put forward to blizzard that might allow compromises that would make everyone happy? |
| 23:32.10 | jnwhiteh | Pwntang: wrap it in () |
| 23:32.18 | jnwhiteh | lua> (select(3, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)) |
| 23:32.19 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 3 |
| 23:32.46 | Cairenn | whatever, I'm not trying to start yet another argument, I'm upset enough by the arguments that are already going on |
| 23:32.55 | jnwhiteh | because clearly the way they've treated us as authors so far justifies this behavior >< |
| 23:33.07 | Pwntang | so, if an event returns arg1, arg2, arg3 and I want to make a variable the same as arg2 |
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| 23:33.18 | Tekkub | Cairenn, until we get a response, it's all pointless |
| 23:33.29 | Cairenn | it's getting to the point where I can barely stand to read this channel any more because I'm so upset at what is happening to the community |
| 23:33.30 | Tekkub | you either choose to follow the guidelines or not |
| 23:33.34 | Pwntang | I would use (select(2, ...)) for example? |
| 23:33.35 | [draco] | _, var, _ = something() |
| 23:33.38 | [draco] | or that |
| 23:33.42 | jnwhiteh | Pwntang: yes |
| 23:33.44 | jnwhiteh | _, var, _ is bad |
| 23:33.48 | [draco] | it is? |
| 23:33.49 | [draco] | ok. |
| 23:33.50 | jnwhiteh | if anything, name the variables what they're supposed to be |
| 23:33.53 | Cairenn | I'm watching friendships getting destroyed over this and there's nothing I can do to fix it |
| 23:33.56 | jnwhiteh | yeah _ is just a dirty habit people have |
| 23:34.02 | jnwhiteh | much better to name the returns |
| 23:34.05 | jnwhiteh | or use select() |
| 23:34.15 | Tekkub | if they're local, what's the harm :P |
| 23:34.31 | Tekkub | Cairenn, you can't fix everyone's problems :P |
| 23:34.36 | NeoTron | I like _ primarily because 1) it's easier to type, 2) it doesn't clog the "namespace". :P |
| 23:34.41 | Tekkub | especially when they create them on their own |
| 23:34.45 | jnwhiteh | Tekkub: the problem is people not making them local |
| 23:34.49 | jnwhiteh | NeoTron: yes it does, if you leak it |
| 23:34.51 | NeoTron | but people think it's a magic variable when it's just a local variable |
| 23:34.53 | Nechckn | Cairenn I don't really hate you, I only said that because you refused to wear the CatGirl outfit. |
| 23:34.56 | jnwhiteh | it can cause issues, and there are better wayts to do things. |
| 23:35.00 | NeoTron | s/local// |
| 23:35.03 | Tekkub | jnwhiteh, yea, that's the thing you should work to fix first |
| 23:35.11 | Tekkub | then nitpick on the trivial shit like _ |
| 23:35.18 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 23:35.21 | jnwhiteh | i'm not nitpicking anything |
| 23:35.29 | jnwhiteh | I can give justified reasons for that opinion |
| 23:35.33 | jnwhiteh | you can use _ all you want |
| 23:35.41 | jnwhiteh | but then when you actually need that return.. you have to go look at re-name it =) |
| 23:35.46 | jnwhiteh | its not extensive and its hiding things |
| 23:35.47 | bleeter | Cairenn: as I said (yesterday?), a post from (say) Ordinn saying 'Hey, I see some of you guys are a bit upset - I've bounced this back to legal, please wait' would go a LONG way and doesn't bind them to anything at all. |
| 23:35.51 | bleeter | but meh |
| 23:35.55 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 23:36.28 | NeoTron | Blizzard doesn't like to make posts that say nothing, and have good reasons for it |
| 23:36.29 | Cairenn | Tekkub: I know I can't, but I put so much effort into helping build this community and I count so many of you friends, it's really hard for me |
| 23:36.49 | NeoTron | it will inadvertedly cause people to complain more because they posted something that didn't say anything. |
| 23:36.55 | NeoTron | than if they hadn't posted at all |
| 23:36.56 | Tekkub | the lesson here is, never try |
| 23:37.14 | NeoTron | Cairenn: so I noticed the new "donation popup" thing on wowi - nice |
| 23:37.27 | Tekkub | NeoTron, people always complain, the trick is to only listen to the ones with substance :P |
| 23:37.28 | NeoTron | but is there supposed to be donation buttons on the normal adon page too after adding the button id? |
| 23:37.44 | jnwhiteh | you would have to add it yourself. |
| 23:37.49 | jnwhiteh | that option is only for the overlay |
| 23:37.50 | Legorol | NeoTron: donation buttons on the normal page are added by the author, not by the site |
| 23:37.54 | NeoTron | ok |
| 23:38.05 | Tuller | Cairenn: I bet I can out neutral you :P |
| 23:38.09 | Legorol | the bb-code of the site provides a [paypal] tag that you can use to simplify the process |
| 23:38.10 | Tekkub | the site just added an option to show the popup after download |
| 23:38.21 | Cairenn | NeoTron: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122354&postcount=17 |
| 23:38.26 | Cairenn | actually, during |
| 23:38.37 | Legorol | however note that both the popup and the [paypal] tag only seems to work with Premium or Business type Paypal accounts |
| 23:38.39 | NeoTron | I wasn't aware it was a previous option since, before these new rules, it never crossed my mind to add them :P |
| 23:38.47 | Legorol | if you want help in how to set up a donation button for a Personal account, poke me |
| 23:38.49 | NeoTron | I have a business paypal account anyway |
| 23:38.53 | Tekkub | *after the download starts :P |
| 23:39.12 | Tekkub | or just use pledgie |
| 23:39.21 | Cairenn | Tekkub: :) |
| 23:39.30 | Legorol | NeoTron: it was always an option, just few people knew about it, since you can use [url] and [img] tags to achieve the desired result (note that i didn't know this either until yesterday) |
| 23:39.44 | Tuller | Tekkub: out of curiosity, what's the benefit of using pledgie? |
| 23:39.45 | Tekkub | but really, what good is paypal without the debit card? |
| 23:39.45 | NeoTron | I've had a business paypal account for a very long time now :P |
| 23:40.09 | Tekkub | Tuller, it tracks a total for you, and people can make anon donations |
| 23:40.23 | Cairenn | Tuller: you undoubtedly can out-neutral me, I'm just trying to hide my feelings, and getting to the point that I can't |
| 23:40.36 | Tekkub | Cairenn, so fucking snap |
| 23:40.46 | Tekkub | go out on cog, it's not like he can't take it |
| 23:40.54 | Tuller | I find kittens help |
| 23:40.58 | Tekkub | or doesn't deserve it |
| 23:41.00 | Tekkub | *hides* |
| 23:41.11 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub, the more someone deserves it, the less it should be given in public. |
| 23:41.22 | nevcairiel | where is the fun in that now |
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| 23:41.33 | Tekkub | but the more spectacular it is in public |
| 23:41.33 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: you deserve a big, sloppy hug, therefore i refuse to do it! |
| 23:41.48 | NeoTron | aha pledgie is some service on top of paypal |
| 23:41.49 | Tekkub | plus we could sell tickets |
| 23:41.54 | Lopeppeppy | On occasion over the last week, both Cairenn have mentioned when people in the Lounge here are being asshats and stirring up the brew to no purpose. Litter the forums with hate, but don't piss off the two redheads with extra long memories. |
| 23:41.56 | Cairenn | NeoTron: it's a front-end |
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| 23:42.42 | Lopeppeppy | "Be excellent to each other." |
| 23:43.03 | nevcairiel | Do people need to sign up for pledgie to donate, or can they still simply use their paypal accounts? |
| 23:43.16 | Tuller | Lopeppeppy: my hair is copper, not red |
| 23:43.24 | Cairenn | I think you can just use your paypal account, but not positive |
| 23:43.39 | Cairenn | Tekkub probably knows |
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| 23:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | Someone here uses Pledgie... Ackis? Tekkub? |
| 23:43.54 | Pwntang | Other than by searching through the string contained in "chat_msg_text_emote", is there a simple way of finding out exactly which /emote triggered that event? |
| 23:43.57 | Cairenn | tek does |
| 23:44.32 | NeoTron | it appears to just use your existign paypal account |
| 23:44.33 | Tekkub | I don't know, I've not donated ^^ |
| 23:44.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:45.26 | Tekkub | yea you enter an amount, choose anon if you want, then it tosses you off to paypal |
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| 23:55.44 | Kimmeh | Goodevning folks |
| 23:56.19 | Cairenn | hi |
| 23:57.05 | bleeter | Cairenn: which is the apple and which is the clown? :P |
| 23:57.08 | bleeter | bah |
| 23:57.10 | bleeter | cog|away: ^^ |
| 23:57.17 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 23:57.23 | Kimmeh | Anyone know how to set the dimension of an already created frame from within the LUA code? Im working on a threatmeter and i want the Frame to expand if more players join. |
| 23:57.28 | krka | Kimmeh: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that. :-) |
| 23:57.46 | bleeter | Cairenn: just so you know, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15973487364&sid=1#1 .. just something cog said. trying to lighten the mood ;) |
| 23:57.53 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:57.55 | Kimmeh | Is that some kind of code amongs lua coders? :P |
| 23:58.08 | bleeter | Lua is the portugese word for 'moon' and not an acronym |
| 23:58.15 | nevcairiel | apples to circus clowns, i like |
