| 00:05.07 | Thunder_Child | lol http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=45280 |
| 00:07.03 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rlslog.net/rockstar-announced-max-payne-3/ |
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| 00:21.43 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: That's gotta be a joke item |
| 00:22.12 | Dagmar | Oh wait, I see... It's testing only |
| 00:22.14 | Dagmar | Neat |
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| 00:24.34 | Shirik | hi |
| 00:24.38 | Cidan | hi |
| 00:24.43 | Thunder_Child | low |
| 00:24.47 | Anaralx2 | Allo |
| 00:24.48 | Adys | mid |
| 00:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 00:24.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:25.07 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I'm not the one sitting #SD# right now |
| 00:25.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not either |
| 00:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus I have 200k floating around |
| 00:25.26 | Shirik | oh snap, 200k |
| 00:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah yeah |
| 00:25.32 | Shirik | :) |
| 00:25.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I had 10k yesterday :P |
| 00:25.52 | Shirik | any idea what ship you're going for? |
| 00:26.04 | ScytheBlade1 | None what so ever |
| 00:26.33 | Shirik | obviously ISS and CFS are out of the question |
| 00:27.14 | Dewin | I have a problem. I don't like my UI setup, but it doesn't bother me enough to motivate me to go through the tremendous work it'd take to figure out how I want to change it. |
| 00:27.57 | Shirik | Dewin, that's how I am :) |
| 00:28.13 | Shirik | so everything's kinda just thrown all over the place |
| 00:28.40 | Dagmar | Install PitBull4. |
| 00:29.03 | Dagmar | The sheer ugliness of the defaults will give you all the encouragement you need |
| 00:29.43 | flugh | i'm with you there Dewin. i was shaking my head at the lack of functionality and intrusiveness of my mishmash today. i need to enter a 'fugly UI' contest |
| 00:30.16 | Thunder_Child | oops, i just jettisoned 60 colonists into space |
| 00:31.09 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: HA! |
| 00:31.16 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: The remaining 40 will be quite lonely. You're a mean person for making them lonely. |
| 00:31.21 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I've done that by my scripts (no pun intended) |
| 00:31.34 | Thunder_Child | i thought i had ore damit |
| 00:31.49 | Thunder_Child | there goes 60 alignment points |
| 00:31.56 | Shirik | how much did you have? |
| 00:32.02 | Thunder_Child | not that many |
| 00:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | He is now evil |
| 00:32.17 | Esamynn | he's at -53 |
| 00:32.27 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 00:32.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:33.05 | flugh | playing EVE? |
| 00:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | 25 holds of Colonists jettisoned into deep space. |
| 00:33.41 | Dagmar | See this is why you have to dump a LOT of colonists at once |
| 00:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf why did I not go more evil :( |
| 00:33.55 | Shirik | but ScytheBlade1 did it intentionally (no pun intended) |
| 00:34.02 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Can only do it once a day |
| 00:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Per game? I haven't done it before |
| 00:34.23 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:34.28 | Shirik | I think you screwed up |
| 00:34.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty hard to screw that up |
| 00:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I picked them up off my planet |
| 00:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Flew to a nearby empty sector |
| 00:34.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Ejected them |
| 00:35.08 | Dagmar | So basically, they didn't pay you to take them anywhere |
| 00:35.16 | Dagmar | They just got into the van because you said you had candy |
| 00:35.20 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:35.30 | Esamynn | more or less |
| 00:35.34 | Dagmar | I can just _barely_ remember most of this stuff |
| 00:35.56 | Lunessa | mmm... candy |
| 00:36.14 | Dagmar | You lose faction for violating the contract, not for spacing them. |
| 00:36.18 | Dagmar | No one cares about colonists. |
| 00:36.43 | Dagmar | Not sure if I'm remembering that or not |
| 00:36.52 | Dagmar | s/that/that right/; |
| 00:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Depressing |
| 00:38.48 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyw6cq86kY |
| 00:39.17 | Dagmar | Yeah, you'd think by now someone would have added some cool sound effects when you space colonists. |
| 00:39.41 | Wobin | In space |
| 00:39.44 | Wobin | noone can hear you |
| 00:39.47 | Wobin | cha cha cha |
| 00:39.54 | Dagmar | Yeah, but we can read lips |
| 00:40.26 | Wobin | lipreading is not conducive to appropriate sound effects |
| 00:42.20 | Dagmar | At the very least there should be some generic sounds of confusion, followed by a metallic scraping noise coupled with rising screams of panic which fade out at their peak |
| 00:42.47 | Dagmar | ...and then maybe some nonchalant whistling. |
| 00:44.03 | Dewin | flugh: had a moment of wife aggro, but yeah. I can imagine it now: "Extreme UI Makeovers" |
| 00:45.47 | Dewin | My biggest issue is that I have too many things wasting screen realestate that I wish I could get to play nicer together. |
| 00:45.51 | Lunessa | Wobin: The song sucks, but at least they picked some decent footage. |
| 00:46.46 | Dewin | I'd love to have an all in one quest tracker/achievement tracker/threat display/damage meter that shows in one window, where I could hit a key to cycle between the various modes. |
| 00:47.01 | Dewin | I like nUI's ideas, but not it's actual layout. |
| 00:47.47 | Xinhuan | such an addon would be too big to code |
| 00:47.50 | Lunessa | Dewin: http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/UI-2009-03-02-01.jpg - My UI looks MOSTLY like this still. |
| 00:47.53 | NeoTron | implement something that can act as a container to other addons and show/hide when you flip the page. :P |
| 00:48.01 | Xinhuan | that is, all-in-one addons take too much time to maintain |
| 00:48.07 | Xinhuan | (without donations) |
| 00:48.11 | NeoTron | so it "embeds" omen, a quest tracker, recount etc |
| 00:48.15 | Dewin | I was thinking along the lines of NeoTron's approach. |
| 00:48.18 | Lunessa | I think the AddOn "Dash" still works, and it's like the Mac OSX Dashboard. |
| 00:48.39 | Xinhuan | that still wouldn't work perfectly because it would be from different authors |
| 00:48.46 | Xinhuan | and it wouldn't "fit nicely" |
| 00:48.53 | Lunessa | There was another one called Dock which did something like that too. |
| 00:49.00 | Dewin | All that needs to be maintained is the code that hooks and fixes up the frames. |
| 00:49.13 | Xinhuan | in theory, yes |
| 00:49.15 | Dewin | and Recount and Omen are both skinnable, so you could make a skin for both of them for consistency |
| 00:49.36 | Xinhuan | you'll realize omen and recount borrow a lot from each other ;p |
| 00:49.48 | flugh | I am thinking of a smallish dashboard, simple with a few stats. something to use on my rp-pvp toon. a little less UI-ish |
| 00:50.28 | Dewin | I'm debating on trying to sketch out a UI how I'd want it and then seeing what it'd take to get it. |
| 00:50.40 | Zyndrome | "* I Could Say That This Cache Was Rare - Defeat Hodir before he shatters his rare cache on Normal/Heroic Difficulty/ (2 achievements)" |
| 00:50.42 | Zyndrome | I lol'd |
| 00:51.32 | Dewin | Though really my biggest issue with nUI is requiring one chat window and I use two... though I could possibly adapt to changing that. |
| 00:52.51 | flugh | i want to like nUI, because of all my alts, it keeps things a little more uniform, but i just can't guite give in to it |
| 00:52.51 | Xinhuan | well ideally, your UI is your own, you should customize it to the way YOU like it |
| 00:52.52 | Xinhuan | not download someone's else layout |
| 00:53.00 | Xinhuan | (such as nUI) |
| 00:53.17 | Dagmar | This would be why I like PitBull |
| 00:53.20 | Dewin | Xinhaun: That's what I do right now |
| 00:53.44 | Dewin | heck I use an unreleased XP/faction bar that I really ought to bang on some more, since I still have yet to see another addon that can do what it does |
| 00:53.46 | Xinhuan | however, i do admit many people are not as good as modifying their UI, or have the time to do it |
| 00:53.56 | Xinhuan | and such downloadable UI packages are also useful |
| 00:54.23 | Kraft | Could i get opinions on my XP/minimap please? :) http://s5.tinypic.com/14alwkx.jpg |
| 00:54.40 | flugh | my altaholism keeps me from getting anything done now. throw in trying to learn LUA and then the UI itself. bleh. paying $15/month and never playing :) |
| 00:54.41 | krka | flugh: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" :-) |
| 00:54.47 | Shefki | Kraft: It's round. |
| 00:54.56 | Kraft | Shefki: thanks! |
| 00:55.16 | Kraft | i guess i meant more the xp bit really |
| 00:55.52 | flugh | i like the nameplates |
| 00:56.12 | Kraft | heh ty ^^ |
| 00:57.29 | Lunessa | Kraft: The border looks out of place. |
| 00:57.37 | Kraft | the blue bit? |
| 00:57.55 | Lunessa | That and the black bit. |
| 00:58.12 | Kraft | well the blue bit grows out towards the black bit as your xp increases |
| 00:58.32 | Lunessa | And I assume that the buttons up top are for cooldowns? |
| 00:58.49 | Kraft | thats my actionbar :P |
| 00:59.01 | flugh | kraft: are those your own nameplates? |
| 00:59.04 | smoke_ | is grid2 useable? |
| 00:59.07 | Lunessa | Kraft: Ah. It wouldn't work for me. I'm a lines/segements guy. |
| 00:59.10 | Dewin | Kraft: What if you had, say, a rotary XP bar instead of having the inside grow out? |
| 00:59.25 | Dewin | So if you were 1/4 through level, 1/4 of the circle would be blue, rest black or something like that |
| 00:59.28 | Kraft | flugh: nope, i just made them using aloft :( |
| 00:59.51 | Kraft | Dewin: i thought about that but though it would look a bit uneven for 90% of the time |
| 01:00.06 | Kraft | thought* |
| 01:00.06 | Lunessa | City of Heroes uses a circular bar with the with segments. I really liked it. |
| 01:01.03 | Kraft | i was thinking about adding extra circles for rep/rested xp |
| 01:01.13 | Kraft | im not sure how i'd do that with segments |
| 01:01.23 | Dewin | Kraft: If you think it'd look uneven, you could fill both ways at once instead. |
| 01:03.16 | Kraft | yeh true |
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| 01:03.24 | Kraft | thanks |
| 01:04.53 | flugh | nifty |
| 01:05.33 | Legorol | Noob question: are QuestHelper and TourGuide two addons with similarish purpose? |
| 01:05.40 | Legorol | Or am I completely misunderstanding their jobs |
| 01:05.46 | Kraft | yup :) |
| 01:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda |
| 01:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | QH just takes the quests in your log and runs with it |
| 01:06.20 | ScytheBlade1 | TG has recoreded steps to take |
| 01:06.22 | Lunessa | Tour Guide gives you directions and uses tomtom to give you arrows. QuestHelper does a lot more, but at the core they do the same thing - help you level by pointing you to quests. |
| 01:07.01 | Dark_Elf | tourguide ya have to tell it what to do, eg load a guide |
| 01:07.11 | flugh | TG relies on the quality of the guide too. i tried a couple different ones, and there were some really busted steps in it |
| 01:07.35 | Legorol | so I either run QH, or I run TG+TomTom, is that the sensible way to look at it? |
| 01:07.48 | Legorol | (depending on preference) |
| 01:07.52 | Dark_Elf | but ya can have both so use em lol |
| 01:08.15 | Legorol | i don't intend to use either actually, but i'm educating myself on what the hubbub is about, so i'm going to try them both i think :) |
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| 01:08.46 | flugh | i am cutting myself back to lightheaded, since i don't know what the future of carbonite is |
| 01:09.22 | flugh | besides, need a little challenge to it. following the yellow arrows is kind of killing it for me :) |
| 01:09.23 | Dark_Elf | well i would think lightheaded will have to change too |
| 01:09.43 | flugh | why's that? |
| 01:09.51 | Dark_Elf | since addons cant advertise, i would think wowhead logo would have to go |
| 01:10.46 | Shefki | Well first work day of Blizzard time down... No response. |
| 01:11.02 | Shefki | Anyone that bet on Tekkub's #1 option, you lose. |
| 01:11.12 | Dark_Elf | course if it was up to me i wish blizzard would retract the last restrictions cause they didnt bother me |
| 01:11.34 | Tekkub | I WIN! |
| 01:12.00 | Legorol | I decided to go on an addon-exploration binge |
| 01:12.11 | Legorol | I'm going to download all the famous addons out there and play with them for half an hour |
| 01:12.17 | Shefki | Tekkub: What did you bet? |
| 01:12.19 | Legorol | then probably cry and go back to my nice, cozy UI :) |
| 01:12.28 | Dark_Elf | that tomquest mod looks promising |
| 01:12.55 | Tekkub | #3 :P |
| 01:13.08 | Shefki | Tekkub: That was what I went for too. |
| 01:13.59 | Dark_Elf | i just wish most of the quest addons had a history like questguru has |
| 01:15.04 | Lunessa | I'll admit that some the guide in TG tell me to grab a quest in one place, then send me to the other side of the world to do quests, and never take me back to finish some deliviers. |
| 01:15.09 | Lunessa | deliveries. |
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| 01:19.05 | flugh | questguru? |
| 01:19.40 | flugh | there's an eq2 quest addon, eq2.fuzzy.dk i think is the site. has a database of all the quests, you can manually complete some, the addon tracks the rest. very cool |
| 01:23.00 | Tekkub | "New theory. Picture this: It's Friday, 3PM. You're tasked with coming up with a policy for addon development, but the rest of the legal team is heading out for mojitos. You scribble down some random garbage that sounds all legal but is vague enough to cover anything then go knock back a half-dozen before heading out for the rest of the evening, then the next thing you know it's Sunday afternoon and your underwear is over yo |
| 01:23.00 | Tekkub | ur head and a python is loose in the condo. You know how it goes." |
| 01:23.07 | Tekkub | man, that's the best one I've read |
| 01:24.19 | Shefki | Tekkub: yeah that was a good one. |
| 01:24.38 | Codayus | Sounds plausible...but maybe that's just a reflection of the places I've worked... :-p |
| 01:25.41 | mikma | myth busted. |
| 01:30.27 | Lunessa | http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/03/the-uninsured-m.html - spooky |
| 01:33.30 | Shirik | good |
| 01:33.36 | Shirik | that is a good use of software |
| 01:35.51 | Lunessa | Shirik: Maybe. I don't know. I dislike intrusion into my life - even if it is just clever data mining. |
| 01:37.23 | Esamynn | I think that argument doesn't fly as well for something with such large potential ramifications on others |
| 01:37.46 | Jamash- | it's not that much different from stopping unregistered cars |
| 01:38.08 | Tekkub | I think CO's system works fine as is |
| 01:38.35 | Tekkub | you can't register your car without insurance on it |
| 01:38.50 | Tekkub | the DMV knows if you do or not |
| 01:40.47 | Tekkub | hell, make it so if you go more than say, a month without insurance, they revoke your car's registration |
| 01:41.35 | Esamynn | which helps, how? |
| 01:41.37 | Tekkub | you don't hit the privacy issues, and you get to charge even bigger fines on people that don't have insurance |
| 01:42.54 | Aqua | uninsured drivers are the devil |
| 01:43.08 | Tekkub | insurance is also the devil :P |
| 01:43.32 | Aqua | Yea, but my brand new 60,000 truck got totaled 5 days after purchase by an uninsured motorist |
| 01:43.40 | Jamash- | ouch |
| 01:43.47 | Shirik | Tekkub That's not true in all states |
| 01:43.55 | Shirik | hell, in VA, you can register your car without insurance |
| 01:44.03 | Jamash- | that's weird |
| 01:44.04 | Shirik | so long as you declare yourself as not having insurance |
| 01:44.11 | Shirik | you do have to pay a fee though |
| 01:44.20 | Tekkub | uhm, last I checked, unless you're paying cash, your lender requires you to carry full coverage |
| 01:44.22 | Shirik | (Which makes you wonder if it's cheaper to have insurance :P) |
| 01:44.41 | Tekkub | for exactly that reason |
| 01:44.58 | Tekkub | and if you did pay cash, well then I just hate you |
| 01:45.05 | Shirik | I have insurance, and no I didn't |
| 01:45.06 | Aqua | I paid cash, but i had full coverage... |
| 01:45.17 | Shirik | I'm just saying you are allowed too register your car with a UMF in VA |
| 01:45.35 | Jamash- | pak chooie umf? |
| 01:45.45 | Shirik | http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/vehicles/uninsured_fee.asp |
| 01:45.50 | Tekkub | I wasn't talking to you Shirik, we already know everyone hates you |
| 01:45.55 | Shirik | UMV |
| 01:45.55 | Shirik | whatever |
| 01:46.07 | Jamash- | I thought everyone loves shirik but shirik hates everyone |
| 01:46.11 | Shirik | I thought it was Uninsured Motorist Fee |
| 01:46.18 | Shirik | apparently it's Uninsured Motor Vehicle |
| 01:46.27 | Tekkub | Unidentified Mooing Vehicle |
| 01:46.38 | Jamash- | mooooooooooooooooooo |
| 01:46.57 | Shirik | No you don |
| 01:47.02 | Tekkub | Cairenn lies |
| 01:47.02 | Shirik | You only love me until I make that program |
| 01:47.05 | Shirik | then no longer love |
| 01:47.11 | Cairenn | not true |
| 01:47.20 | Cairenn | me love you long time! |
| 01:47.33 | Jamash- | like my dog, who only loves me when I have a sandwich? |
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| 01:49.07 | Wobin | http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f56/47133-real-life-onslaught-armor.html |
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| 01:49.10 | Wobin | zomg win |
| 01:49.22 | Aznamir | Hi all |
| 01:49.26 | Cairenn | hi |
| 01:49.37 | Aznamir | Was there Blizz update or clarification on the new policy? |
| 01:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Not as of yet I don't believe |
| 01:50.18 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 01:50.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that my statment is not meant to imply we have news that there will be, mind you |
| 01:50.45 | Cairenn | remember, they probably had to spend all day today just trying to read all the posts, see the community reaction |
| 01:51.06 | Jamash | community reaction being: 1. You suck! 2. NO U. |
| 01:51.49 | Cairenn | so I don't expect to see anything from them before tomorrow at the absolute earliest ... and that being with the whole "not that we know we're going to get one at all" |
| 01:53.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I hope they didn't. WAY too much trash. |
| 01:53.28 | Cairenn | quite |
| 01:53.29 | Ackis | what? wowi quote: blizz will respond tomorrow?!?!? |
| 01:53.32 | Aqua | so what was changed? |
| 01:53.33 | cog|away | so i realized something... sticky posts are technically a revenue stream for blizzard since they now have forum ads... |
| 01:53.38 | Cairenn | Ackis: lol |
| 01:53.52 | cog|away | Just food for thought... |
| 01:53.55 | Jamash | @cog: >_< |
| 01:54.25 | Cairenn | Ackis: that's like, I get a kick out of how some people have said "As posted by Cairenn, ..." or "Cairenn posted that ..." |
| 01:54.28 | Legorol | cog|away: why just the stickies, and not any thread? |
| 01:54.49 | Ackis | Cairenn: rofl |
| 01:55.17 | Cairenn | as if somehow my having posted it has any relevance to anything? |
| 01:55.28 | cog|away | Cairenn: no i'm not talking about your sticky... |
| 01:55.36 | Jamash | You're a Senior Community Member with like... super powers. |
| 01:55.43 | cog|away | sorry, that wasn't in reference to anything |
| 01:55.51 | Cairenn | cog|away: I know, I was just laughing at Ackis's statement |
| 01:55.57 | Cairenn | Jamash: lol |
| 01:55.58 | cog|away | oh. lol |
| 01:56.30 | Cairenn | cog|away: (2009-03-23 21:53:29) Ackis: what? wowi quote: blizz will respond tomorrow?!?!? (2009-03-23 21:53:37) Cairenn: Ackis: lol (2009-03-23 21:54:24) Cairenn: Ackis: that's like, I get a kick out of how some people have said "As posted by Cairenn, ..." or "Cairenn posted that ..." (2009-03-23 21:55:16) Cairenn: as if somehow my having posted it has any relevance to anything? |
| 01:56.30 | cog|away | Legorol: i think you missed my point ;) |
| 01:57.09 | cog|away | I just realized that my taking down my stickies had more relevance than I originally thought... Figured others might be interested in that information |
| 01:57.20 | cog|away | I'm glad wikia will be getting that ad revenue from now on |
| 01:58.01 | cog|away | At least they're still letting addon sites "piggy back on blizzard" |
| 01:58.08 | cog|away | addon & info |
| 01:58.16 | Jamash | cogwheel denounces blizzard, endorses wikia, news at 11 |
| 01:58.22 | Legorol | rofl |
| 01:58.27 | Esamynn | Jamash: Cairenn is the Administratrix. Her word is Truth and Law. |
| 01:58.27 | Legorol | cog|away: i still don't understand though |
| 01:58.33 | Legorol | wouldn't every thread be a revenue? |
| 01:58.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:58.37 | cog|away | Jamash: actually i'm more denouncing the whiney users :P |
| 01:58.40 | Legorol | since revenue is from visiting the forums? |
| 01:59.08 | cog|away | Legorol: sticky threads have more air time though. if people are on the forums to look at that information, they're exposed to the ad for longer |
| 01:59.10 | Legorol | i still don't see what's special about stickise, please explain |
| 01:59.11 | Wobin | on the one hand I'd say stickies moreso due to people viewing it |
| 01:59.13 | Wobin | but then |
| 01:59.22 | Wobin | As the experience in this channel shows |
| 01:59.28 | Legorol | people view stickies? |
| 01:59.28 | Wobin | who actually reads the stickies? =P |
| 01:59.29 | cog|away | Legorol: the fact that they're stickies... especially the ones that are informational that many places link to |
| 01:59.33 | Xinhuan | you realize that by posting on the wow forums, you generate revenue for wow? :) |
| 01:59.38 | Legorol | cog|away: ah ok, now i get it |
| 01:59.39 | Xinhuan | (wow forums has ads) |
| 01:59.55 | Legorol | cog|away: you were referring to FAQ/encyclopedic/informational stickies, like the macro guide |
| 01:59.58 | Jamash | not my wow forums |
| 02:00.01 | Legorol | not just all stickies in general |
| 02:00.02 | Jamash | I have them blocked |
| 02:00.06 | cog|away | Xinhuan: that's why i'm limiting myself to "useless" threads like all the legal mental masturbation ;) |
| 02:00.06 | Ackis | cog|away: any thread you post in becomes a sticky thread for me... |
| 02:00.11 | cog|away | Legorol: aye |
| 02:00.18 | cog|away | Ackis: eew |
| 02:00.35 | cog|away | i'm telling mrs ackis :P |
| 02:00.46 | Xinhuan | i find it funny i am probably the first person to bring up "tortious interference" (on wowace first initially), Maul copies it to the wow forums, and now every post on there has that term |
| 02:01.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hee.. http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/018432.html |
| 02:01.17 | Wobin | Xinhuan: hehe you're a trendsetter =) |
| 02:01.30 | Esamynn | Xinhuan: what do hard shelled quadrupeds have to do with anything! ;) |
| 02:01.39 | Ackis | cog|away: I told her myself, and she's like "I don't get it" so i was like "jerk jerk splooge" and she was like "eww" |
| 02:01.43 | Xinhuan | then again, nothing like a good thread to brush everyone's legal skills up |
| 02:01.44 | cog|away | Xinhuan: what did it for me was seeing one of the EULA terms read in the new light |
| 02:01.46 | Xinhuan | and make people realize |
| 02:01.54 | Xinhuan | all those law lessons in your uni course |
| 02:01.54 | Shirik | *%(@#*%# UAEJWF hj3t3 |
| 02:01.55 | cog|away | the one about unauthorized 3rd party software |
| 02:01.56 | Xinhuan | do mean something |
| 02:02.01 | cog|away | which has historically been taken to mean exes |
| 02:02.03 | Shirik | I am so SICK of losing Undying at 10% on KT |
| 02:02.05 | cog|away | Shirik: nice password |
| 02:02.06 | cog|away | :P |
| 02:02.09 | Esamynn | ~calm Shirik |
| 02:02.18 | purl | ACTION sooths Shirik, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Shirik down. |
| 02:02.38 | Xinhuan | well yes, i read that EULA exactly like i would see it - blizzard being able to almost sue anyone they liked if damages can be proven |
| 02:02.47 | Wobin | Shirik: Fenny's Monja! |
| 02:03.00 | Wobin | (that will cheer you up) |
| 02:03.00 | Ackis | ~mock Shirik |
| 02:03.01 | purl | ACTION pulls Shirik's pants down and shows the world Shirik's pink spotted underwear |
| 02:03.12 | Xinhuan | although they probably won't 99.99% of the time |
| 02:03.31 | Ackis | Shirik: I lost the immortal at 50% on KJ last weekend |
| 02:03.40 | Xinhuan | its still up in the air whether a totally unfair EULA is allowed and upholdable in court |
| 02:03.41 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfiLVdEceO8&fmt=18 <--- |
| 02:03.51 | Codayus | Xinhuan: Speaking of damages, the Glider court seemed to take at face value the claim that Blizzard was damaged by the revenue lost when they banned someone. That's a lovely circular argument, really... |
| 02:04.05 | Xinhuan | not really codayus |
| 02:04.12 | Xinhuan | blizzard claimed damages in 3 ways |
| 02:04.22 | Codayus | *nod* That was only one. |
| 02:04.22 | Xinhuan | 1. manhours to update warden 3 times to detect glider |
| 02:04.36 | Xinhuan | 2. manhours used to answer 500k tickets on bots |
| 02:04.44 | Xinhuan | and then to ban all those users |
| 02:04.53 | Codayus | And there's no reason to think the court would have accepted it if that was the only cost given. |
| 02:05.03 | Jamash | Wobin: wtf |
| 02:05.07 | End | the part I don't understand is that it was "copyright infringement" |
| 02:05.09 | Xinhuan | 3. potential un-determinable lost revenue due to players unsubscribing due to the bots |
| 02:05.16 | Wobin | Jamash: Random anime is... random =) |
| 02:05.25 | Xinhuan | and the diminished economy |
| 02:05.26 | Codayus | (Or taht any other court would agree, blah blah blah, all the standard disclaimers about extropolating from Glider to future court cases.) |
| 02:05.32 | Legorol | cog|away: which one's the mental masturbation thread? |
| 02:05.56 | Xinhuan | i don't think lost revenue to when they banned someone was actually discussed lol |
| 02:06.00 | Codayus | Really? |
| 02:06.01 | Codayus | Hmmmm |
| 02:06.14 | cog|away | Legorol: all of the ones where people are throwing legalese at each other? :P |
| 02:06.27 | Legorol | aoki |
| 02:07.06 | Xinhuan | anyway, hope to see some answers tomorrow |
| 02:07.19 | Legorol | you reckon they can digest all this in one day? |
| 02:07.27 | Jamash | http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/software/mdy-v-blizzard |
| 02:07.35 | Legorol | especially if they need to consult their lawyers |
| 02:07.44 | Legorol | Jamash: i prefer the actual case files :o) |
| 02:07.50 | Jamash | "...liable for contributory and vicarious copyright infringement..." |
| 02:08.38 | Legorol | Jamash: the title of that page you linked is already misleading. |
| 02:08.41 | Xinhuan | its actually not that hard to understand the legalese, because the terms are actually defined and explained in the court documents itself |
| 02:08.44 | Codayus | Xinhuan: Hm, good point. The quote is "Moreover, Blizzard has presented evidencethat the use of Glider has caused Blizzard to lose subscription fees from WoW players.Dkt. ##40 ¶¶ 254-57, 58 ¶ 124" |
| 02:08.59 | Legorol | Jamash: it seems to imply that it's a groundbreaking precedent that a purchaser is considered a licensee and not an owner. |
| 02:09.16 | Legorol | There are actually plenty precedents for both, and courts seemed to rule on a case-by-case basis. |
| 02:09.22 | Codayus | Which I took to mean via banning, but it could mean anything, and I'm way WAAAY too lazy to look up what Bliz actually said, assuming it's even available on the net anywhere useful... |
| 02:09.39 | Xinhuan | its probably in some of the previous filings |
| 02:09.54 | Legorol | Xinhuan: I agree with you, I found legal documents quite readable, especially because they seem to summarise all relevant facts either at the start or in footnotes |
| 02:10.04 | Codayus | Yep, that'll be the reference to the document. |
| 02:10.22 | Dewin | Is Cairenn or a wowinterface mod around? |
| 02:10.29 | Cairenn | nope |
| 02:10.36 | Legorol | Codayus: that's referencing brief no. 40, you can read every brief here: http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/arizona/azdce/2:2006cv02555/322017/ |
| 02:10.39 | Jamash | nobody here but us chickens |
| 02:10.57 | Dewin | Cairenn: That's unfortunate :-p. I was hoping someone could delete http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12136-MacaroonbugfixpatchforcurrentPTRbuild3.0.8.html for me. |
| 02:11.09 | Dewin | It was a patch for Macaroon I uploaded awhile back while its author was on hiatus, it's no longer needed. |
| 02:11.16 | Codayus | Legorol: Oh, nifty. |
| 02:11.20 | Cairenn | nope, can't be deleted |
| 02:11.36 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 02:11.37 | Legorol | Codayus: unfortunate, you can't see the exhibits or the transcripts of the court sessions |
| 02:11.45 | Legorol | but i found that the briefs themselves are enough reading ;) |
| 02:12.09 | Dewin | If that's really the case, I'll just update the description to say it's no longer needed |
| 02:12.23 | Dewin | oh. never mind. lol, thanks. |
| 02:12.48 | Legorol | Jamash: why? because currently eveyr major case lands on Campbell's desk? |
| 02:12.52 | Jamash | a lot of courts seem to treat computers as magical |
| 02:13.14 | Codayus | Oh wow, the Bliz argument is even cooler than I expected. Glider cost them money because glider users level faster - since it takes them 7 fewer months to get to max level, Bliz loses out on 7 months of subscriptions. |
| 02:13.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: honestly, to most of the judges out there, they are. |
| 02:13.33 | Codayus | Since Glider sold 100k copies, $15 x 7 x 100k = $10.5m lost revenue. |
| 02:13.36 | Jamash | Codayus: Did they really argue that? That's absurd. |
| 02:13.44 | Codayus | It's awesome. |
| 02:13.52 | Legorol | i don't get the x7 part |
| 02:14.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i can't imagine that the average age for a judge in this country is anywhere near a sane age to actually have been a part of the modern computer era. |
| 02:14.08 | Jamash | 7 months lost revenue: Legorol |
| 02:14.13 | Legorol | right |
| 02:14.20 | Legorol | well the court didn't rule as high as $10.5 |
| 02:14.21 | End | 7 fewer months to hit max level? |
| 02:14.22 | Cairenn | per account |
| 02:14.22 | End | wtf? |
| 02:14.34 | Legorol | the total MDY will hae to pay is $6.5 |
| 02:14.42 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 02:14.58 | Shirik | Awesome errors in Windows event log: |
| 02:15.10 | Shirik | Session "" has failed to start with the following error(s) 0x00000000 (The operation has completed successfully.) |
| 02:15.18 | Legorol | rofl |
| 02:15.21 | Xinhuan | i don't think its relevant how they arrived at the figures |
| 02:15.23 | Xinhuan | funny as it is |
| 02:15.28 | Jamash | yes it is |
| 02:15.35 | Dewin | Shirik: I've seen better. |
| 02:15.49 | Legorol | it doesn't matter too much, because it's like a haggle: they propose a figure and the other side plays it down |
| 02:15.55 | End | you can't really say "this is what it would have been" |
| 02:15.57 | Tekkub | I like whoever's working the grill at Wendy's tonight |
| 02:16.07 | Jamash | It's relevant because it shows what infringement the court consideres relevant |
| 02:16.12 | End | since glider existed and glider probably had some effect |
| 02:16.15 | Codayus | Yeah, but the court cited that as part of how it was clear MDY had damaged Blizzard. Clearly addon - like QuestHelper - which really helps users would damage Bliz in the same way. |
| 02:16.21 | End | but I can't see those numbers being right at all :P |
| 02:16.21 | Tekkub | "only ketchup" == dripping with ketchup |
| 02:16.30 | Dewin | Shirik: Something like "The Microsoft Exchange Directory Service could not be started because the Microsoft Exchange Server Service failed to start due to the following error: The operation completed successfully." |
| 02:16.37 | Xinhuan | rofl Codayus |
| 02:16.40 | cog|away | Why does every single electronics manufacturer have to use blue LEDs these days?! It's one thing for just dots, but when you mask them with icons, they're practically impossible to read |
| 02:16.43 | Xinhuan | that's a pretty new angle tere |
| 02:16.45 | Codayus | I know I level faster with Chatter than I do without, for example...that's losing Bliz money! |
| 02:16.46 | Xinhuan | there* |
| 02:17.02 | Xinhuan | "QH makes users level 4 months faster" |
| 02:17.10 | Shirik | cog|away: You know what else is wierd |
| 02:17.17 | Shirik | Blue LEDs are one of the most expensive |
| 02:17.17 | Jamash | you could make the same argument against leveling guides |
| 02:17.29 | Shirik | both in power and in monetary value |
| 02:17.33 | cog|away | yep |
| 02:17.37 | Tekkub | why would Blizzy like that angle? |
| 02:17.37 | Jamash | Shirik / cog: Therefore by using them you show your opulence and style |
| 02:17.39 | End | yes, everyone quits immediately after hitting level cap! |
| 02:17.40 | cog|away | and they hardly existed until the ps2 |
| 02:17.40 | Xinhuan | well all addons bring some form of advantages |
| 02:17.49 | Codayus | Which is 4 months lost revenue. Multiply by the number of QH downloads...ZOMG. (Mind you, that was only ONE of several ways Bliz said Glider damaged them, and it might not have been sufficient on its own.) |
| 02:17.49 | Tekkub | "QH users spend less time playing your content" |
| 02:17.51 | Xinhuan | if not nobody would use them |
| 02:17.57 | Shirik | The only LED that's more expensive physically than blue LEDs are white ones, and that's just due to patents though |
| 02:18.08 | Jamash | my addon provides something like 10 seconds worth of advantage per level |
| 02:18.13 | Codayus | Tekkub: And thus get bored faster and quit. It's a pursuasive argument... |
| 02:18.18 | End | not only that, people using glider probably wouldn't bother leveling as many characters without it :P |
| 02:18.37 | Tekkub | nah they just hit a wall at 80 where people want them to use their brains |
| 02:18.45 | Jamash | yeah you can't glide through naxx |
| 02:18.59 | Jamash | or QH |
| 02:19.00 | Codayus | ....I dunno, some of the pugs I've been on... |
| 02:19.06 | Codayus | Glider might play better. |
| 02:19.09 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:19.18 | End | one of the social players in my guild went to a pug 10man and 25man naxx |
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| 02:19.26 | End | neither group killed any bosses |
| 02:19.26 | Tekkub | pugging is your own fault |
| 02:19.27 | Shirik | I still think it would be awesome, that idea that was presented in here |
| 02:19.31 | Xinhuan | i go to naxx25 pugs everyweek that clear it in 3 hours lol |
| 02:19.35 | Shirik | Make a server that has zero restrictions on the addon environment |
| 02:19.41 | Shirik | no need for hardware events, no protected calls |
| 02:19.41 | Codayus | I got "mother said to know you out" on 25 man naxx because we DPSed all the adds. ...by accident. While the raid leader was yelling not to on vent. |
| 02:19.51 | Lunessa | blue led light doesn't obliterate night-vision like some other colors? Blue is "cool" color and therefore soothing? |
| 02:19.52 | End | Xinhuan: which they should! |
| 02:19.54 | Shirik | Make it an entirely AI server |
| 02:20.05 | End | but somehow there's a lot of terribleness... |
| 02:20.35 | Tekkub | Shirik, that idea is dumb if you're not a programmer ;P |
| 02:20.44 | Shirik | I only ask for 1 server |
| 02:20.51 | Shirik | and for it to be advertised to be for that purpose |
| 02:21.02 | Xinhuan | i'll write 25 bots for a raid group and script it for the whole naxx! |
| 02:21.03 | Shirik | It's not intended for people that don't know how to code |
| 02:21.12 | Xinhuan | complete with how to jump to thaddius |
| 02:21.14 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 02:21.23 | Shirik | Problems that have been identified so far: How do you realize when you're standing in a void zone (e.g., sarth) |
| 02:21.33 | Tekkub | plus it'd encourage people to write stuff they don't want (bots) that could potentially lead to things bleeding over to the real realms |
| 02:21.44 | Shirik | but the real realms would still be protected |
| 02:21.45 | End | Xinhuan: that's the point! |
| 02:21.53 | Jamash | bot on a private server for twice the pointlessness |
| 02:21.59 | Tekkub | but the real realms may still have bugs |
| 02:22.03 | Tekkub | s/may // |
| 02:22.20 | Shirik | but if you're on an unprotected server, you'd have no reason to go looking for bugs (or to check if they exist) |
| 02:22.21 | Xinhuan | the code-realm would show up any such bugs easily though, and allow for their fixing |
| 02:22.43 | Tekkub | and for their exploiting |
| 02:22.57 | Shirik | Well, which is more vulnerable? |
| 02:23.06 | Shirik | Microsoft IIS or Apache httpd? |
| 02:23.20 | Tekkub | no you! |
| 02:23.24 | Shirik | The increased amount of peer review would be good |
| 02:23.30 | Tekkub | plus, how much does a server cost? |
| 02:23.37 | Xinhuan | ym is |
| 02:23.38 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 02:23.40 | Tekkub | you think they'd give us an expensive gift like that |
| 02:24.11 | Tekkub | just for us to screw around on... |
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| 02:25.07 | Shirik | Oh I odn't think they would |
| 02:25.12 | Shirik | it would be too niche |
| 02:25.15 | Shirik | I just think it would be cool |
| 02:25.36 | Shirik | Not to mention I'm sure there would be a lot of extra code work to do to make the addon system able to figure out "is this a protected server or not?" |
| 02:25.42 | Shirik | and then act accordingly |
| 02:25.43 | Tekkub | you also think parachute pants are cool |
| 02:25.45 | Tekkub | so yea |
| 02:25.49 | Shirik | I do? |
| 02:25.54 | Shirik | I don't even know what that is |
| 02:26.03 | Tekkub | yes, don't try to undermine my argument |
| 02:26.15 | Shirik | k |
| 02:26.19 | Shirik | yay parachute pants |
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| 02:27.34 | Lunessa | Tekkub: that "New Theory" quote - where did you see it? I kind of wanted to read the rest. |
| 02:28.00 | Tekkub | The Thread |
| 02:28.04 | Tekkub | that was the whole post |
| 02:28.45 | Lunessa | ahh |
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| 02:32.28 | Shirik | (22:28:04)  -⺠Netsplit (card.freenode.net â¹-⺠irc.freenode.net) 1 quits: batbot |
| 02:32.37 | Shirik | big netsplit |
| 02:33.10 | bleeter | oO they've named a server Card? When did this happen? |
| 02:33.15 | Tekkub | batbotfail |
| 02:33.30 | batrick | so they stripped cogwheel of his MVP because he's against the new policy |
| 02:33.32 | batrick | ? |
| 02:33.38 | cog|away | batrick: lol? |
| 02:33.42 | Tekkub | he gave it up some time ago |
| 02:33.43 | bleeter | he quit before the new policy was announced? |
| 02:33.44 | cog|away | i quit mvp in dec |
| 02:33.44 | batrick | o |
| 02:33.45 | cog|away | :P |
| 02:33.54 | batrick | sorry I don't follow that very much =) |
| 02:34.15 | bleeter | dun worry cog's easy to miss |
| 02:34.24 | Lunessa | gnomes are sort. |
| 02:34.27 | Lunessa | short |
| 02:34.28 | Tekkub | when he's not being all vocal |
| 02:35.02 | mikma | lol how can you "quit" mvp? |
| 02:35.12 | bleeter | oh I seee when I get verbose, I'm ranting... when cog gets verbose it's vocal... :P |
| 02:35.13 | batrick | start trolling? |
| 02:35.14 | Tekkub | you de-green |
| 02:35.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Send them an e-mail |
| 02:35.18 | bleeter | mikma: 'hey blizz, shove this green up yer butt' |
| 02:35.21 | Tekkub | get a big gassguzzling truck |
| 02:35.25 | mikma | new thred -> hai guys demote me plx |
| 02:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Say, "I no longer want to be a dino" |
| 02:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And it is done |
| 02:37.10 | Legorol | anyone here a wiz with x-perl? how do i reshow the Raid Admin window if i closed it by clicking the X in its top right? |
| 02:37.24 | batrick | I don't think I'd put my addons up again even if blizzard removed the policy now. The WoW community has shown their true colors. |
| 02:37.43 | Cairenn | :( |
| 02:37.57 | Cairenn | I wouldn't say that is necessarily true, batrick |
| 02:37.58 | Tekkub | batrick, shown? where the fuck have you been? |
| 02:38.07 | batrick | reading the forums? |
| 02:38.11 | Tekkub | the retards have mostly stayed out of the UI forum is all |
| 02:38.20 | Tekkub | until now |
| 02:39.00 | Cairenn | batrick: remember, it is a very small percentage of the community that posts, on either side of the debate |
| 02:39.24 | bleeter | one of the first rules of customer support is: |
| 02:39.35 | Tekkub | the user is an idiot |
| 02:39.35 | bleeter | for every complaint, there are 20 people thinking of complaining |
| 02:39.48 | bleeter | for every compliment, there's 100 people thinking of also complimenting |
| 02:40.01 | bleeter | and tek's rule too |
| 02:40.20 | Legorol | noone here good with x-perl? cry :( |
| 02:40.21 | bleeter | but generally speaking, you'll see more ppl complaining - but it don't mean that the majority of customers want to complain |
| 02:40.25 | Legorol | i'm missing my raid admin frame |
| 02:40.47 | bleeter | Legorol: I've given up all Suggestions, Bug Reporting and anything that may assist anyone with Healing Frames :P |
| 02:41.02 | bleeter | Legorol: nothing personal, please understand ;) |
| 02:41.27 | Legorol | bleeter: i'm not talking about healing frames |
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| 02:42.34 | bleeter | x-perl are unit frames. unit frames can be used to help heal 'coz default UI is crap... therefore.. :P |
| 02:44.12 | Anaralx2 | legorol, open xperl options, goto raid admin tab, click on show raid admin frame. Viola |
| 02:48.36 | Legorol | Anaralx2: there is only a "auto hide/show" option, fiddling with that doesn't reshow the raid admin frame |
| 02:48.57 | Legorol | bleeter: point taken |
| 02:49.56 | Anaralx2 | Legorol... create a new profile? I know on new characters/profiles that raid admin frame is there |
| 02:50.03 | cog|away | someone just used another account to bypass my forum ignore... |
| 02:50.25 | cog|away | >< |
| 02:50.26 | Shefki | lol |
| 02:50.32 | Shefki | You're really important cog |
| 02:50.34 | Anaralx2 | Legorol: Otherwise I'd say look through the xperl thread |
| 02:50.49 | cog|away | I have a feeling we won't be hearing any more from him tonight :P |
| 02:51.00 | cog|away | ha... post's already gone |
| 02:51.31 | Anaralx2 | Will WMP please stop playing the same two albums, I have 1200 songs for a reason! |
| 02:52.37 | bleeter | Anaralx2: similarly, will iTunes please find my mtdaap server aragrhargaghrg |
| 02:52.50 | bleeter | it's not like I have 6 months worth of tunes to listen to or anything >< |
| 02:53.14 | Legorol | Anaralx2: i found the solution but it was very hidden. You can right-click the minimap icon of x-perl to open up a dropdown with a few commands not available anywhere, such as Show Raid Admin frame and Show Item Checker. |
| 02:53.16 | Drayk | Anaralx2: slightly related, could Last.fm please stop playing the same song |
| 02:53.18 | Legorol | This is rather obscure considering that hovering on the icon gives a tooltip which says: "Right click to drag this icon" |
| 02:54.03 | bleeter | maybe if Drayk, Anaralx2 and I got together we could hear something interesting >< |
| 02:54.11 | Anaralx2 | Drayk, ironically I have Last.fm up right now. Trying to scrobble the same song over again out of it. |
| 02:54.21 | Anaralx2 | lol |
| 02:54.34 | Drayk | Anaralx2: my last.fm played a 6 songs |
| 02:54.38 | Drayk | first 3 different ones |
| 02:54.40 | Drayk | then the 3 again |
| 02:54.45 | Anaralx2 | Well right now I'm playing Happy Hardcore - Tetris theme |
| 02:54.48 | bleeter | oh hmm mtdaapd is now firefly.. hang on I seem to recall that and I just forgot ugh |
| 02:54.49 | Drayk | so I was like ..|., |
| 02:55.02 | Anaralx2 | lol |
| 02:55.17 | Drayk | so nao I'm listening to Pandora again |
| 02:55.20 | Drayk | since it <3s me |
| 02:55.36 | mikma | the swedish europop band? |
| 02:55.51 | Anaralx2 | Pandora doesn't like me. It never chooses the songs I want to listen to. |
| 02:56.08 | Anaralx2 | mikma Pandora.com, not the band. |
| 02:57.06 | Aznamir | Is PTR up? |
| 02:58.04 | Tewan | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/375585107_c546a2e53c.jpg |
| 02:58.06 | Tewan | eouc |
| 02:58.08 | Tewan | epic* |
| 02:58.28 | Anaralx2 | Must stop eating the jelly beans... |
| 02:58.32 | Anaralx2 | They so good. |
| 02:58.39 | bleeter | kd3: played with F11 yet? |
| 02:59.02 | kd3 | neg, waiting until they tag beta before I burn a dvd |
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| 03:01.34 | bleeter | kd3: ah, I hadn't noticed that beta had slipped a week. my bad :) |
| 03:03.56 | Gngsk | is it possible to use an enGB client on US realms? |
| 03:04.42 | Gngsk | my friend is trying to but the client seem to keep rewriting the realmList entry in Config.wtf |
| 03:05.15 | Arrowmaster | theres another cvar too |
| 03:05.25 | Arrowmaster | portal |
| 03:05.41 | Arrowmaster | SET portal "us" |
| 03:06.08 | Gnarfoz | that's not for that, though? |
| 03:06.13 | Gnarfoz | that cvar is way newer |
| 03:06.27 | Gnarfoz | Gngsk: edit realmlist.wtf |
| 03:06.30 | Gnarfoz | not config.wtf |
| 03:06.36 | Arrowmaster | there is no realmlist.wtf |
| 03:06.38 | Gnarfoz | there is |
| 03:06.56 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 03:07.01 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: entire groups going through there? |
| 03:07.03 | Arrowmaster | realmlist.wtf was removed in 3.0 |
| 03:07.05 | Gnarfoz | since when not? |
| 03:07.22 | Gnarfoz | well, try creating one. :p |
| 03:07.27 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: 40-man raid instance |
| 03:07.36 | Gnarfoz | wow also reads config.wtf if it's in wow's root folder instead of wtf\ |
| 03:07.42 | Arrowmaster | it all changed when the battle.net.dll showed up |
| 03:07.42 | Gnarfoz | and even treats it at higher priority |
| 03:07.48 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: the loot is pretty shitty though hahaha |
| 03:07.52 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: ow |
| 03:08.00 | Gnarfoz | bnet.dll was there for far longer, too :| |
| 03:08.03 | Gnarfoz | anyway |
| 03:08.03 | kd3 | oh bleh. I don't get to play my drinking game tonight |
| 03:08.12 | bleeter | kd3: wuyt? |
| 03:08.13 | Gnarfoz | what, no drinks? |
| 03:08.22 | kd3 | no response wrt the addon policy |
| 03:08.42 | bleeter | didn't think there would be |
| 03:08.51 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1&pageNo=51#1018 |
| 03:08.55 | kd3 | neither did I, but I still hoped |
| 03:08.56 | Gnarfoz | anyway, go US client :P it's not like it's hard to get ;p |
| 03:09.05 | Arrowmaster | no, battle.net.dll showed up during wrath beta at the exact same time realmlist.wtf disappeared |
| 03:09.31 | bleeter | kd3: I've reached the conclusion that Blizz Legal is still back in the 1980's fapping off to images of Kelly LeBrock in 'Weird Science' |
| 03:09.44 | flugh | that's hawt |
| 03:10.07 | bleeter | kd3: hence, unlikely to get a response |
| 03:11.28 | Ackis | how many people have pulled their addons because of the policy? I want a list! |
| 03:11.38 | bleeter | kd3: oh did I show you... http://users.on.net/~bleeter/modder_with_a_penis.html |
| 03:11.44 | bleeter | Ackis: I *created* an addon ^^ |
| 03:11.53 | bleeter | currently looking for a distributor |
| 03:12.11 | bleeter | I've actually come up with an idea for a change to it, load it up with a bunch of 'feel good' non-profits |
| 03:12.23 | bleeter | first of each month, it asks for a donation to one of those non-profits, randomly selected |
| 03:12.36 | bleeter | or it just might at a stretch randomly ask for donations to me |
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| 03:13.45 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:13.56 | Shirik | Does Carbonite seriously tell you every time anyone dings? |
| 03:14.02 | Shirik | on the entire server? |
| 03:14.07 | Shirik | (Any other carbonite users, that is) |
| 03:14.11 | bleeter | only if you're broadcasting |
| 03:14.21 | Anaralx2 | really? |
| 03:14.25 | bleeter | it's default was to transmit stuff to all users, though |
| 03:14.32 | Anaralx2 | Oh gods that'd be annoying |
| 03:14.35 | bleeter | so had to turn it off under 'privacy' setting |
| 03:14.41 | Shirik | Am I the only one who thinks that's incredibly annoying? |
| 03:14.41 | bleeter | if you're the transmitter |
| 03:14.50 | Shirik | Now I see why Carbonite kills the addon channel |
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| 03:14.58 | Shirik | it has 5000 useless features |
| 03:15.00 | bleeter | Shirik: I don't think it's annoying, I think it's crap that the default 'privacy' is to tell everyone about what you're up to |
| 03:15.18 | Odlaw | addons that try to do everything <shrug> |
| 03:15.21 | Shirik | I also would like to know why Carbonite insists on sending WHISPER addon messages to EVERYONE |
| 03:15.22 | Anaralx2 | Shirik I get annoid by the guild achievements... |
| 03:15.33 | Shirik | INCLUDING people without Carbonite |
| 03:15.42 | Shirik | you would think maybe after the first few messages it could figure out whether or not you have carbonite |
| 03:15.44 | Thunder_Child | Anaralx2, turn them off then |
| 03:15.45 | Shirik | no, it just spams you instead |
| 03:15.49 | Anaralx2 | So yeah that carbonite feature would be a turn off. |
| 03:16.15 | Anaralx2 | thunder_child Aren't they a guild announcment? |
| 03:16.24 | Anaralx2 | I have the public ones off. |
| 03:16.26 | Thunder_Child | Anaralx2, you can turn them off in the options |
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| 03:16.53 | Thunder_Child | Anaralx2, under guild announce i think |
| 03:17.04 | Anaralx2 | I don't want to turn off guild announcments. Officers occasionly use it. |
| 03:17.27 | Thunder_Child | can create something to strip it out then |
| 03:17.48 | Anaralx2 | maybe you can, but I can't. :p |
| 03:18.13 | Shefki | bleeter: That's pretty funny. |
| 03:18.28 | Odlaw | anyone know any mods that can track/guess internal cooldowns of trinkets/etc? |
| 03:18.31 | bleeter | Shefki: I actually wrote it for BC launch when people were bitching about addons not working |
| 03:18.45 | Shefki | bleeter: Write a new one... |
| 03:18.45 | bleeter | Shefki: well, the alternate lyrics I wrote then... the addon was earlier today ;) |
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| 03:19.57 | Arrowmaster | Odlaw: heatsink |
| 03:20.18 | flugh | Kraft: still here? |
| 03:20.46 | Odlaw | thx |
| 03:22.26 | kd3 | !! |
| 03:22.30 | kd3 | wth? |
| 03:22.32 | kd3 | +TRANSFER_ABORT_REALM_ONLY = "Transfer Aborted: all players in the party must be from the same realm"; -- Triggers when players from different servers try to enter a "realm-only" dungeon. |
| 03:22.40 | |Jelly| | So we're on Sapp25, right? We have this pug tank so our bear can kitty ... he does fine through the first like 4 air phases and at 11%, he air phases again but the tank stands there. He said that he thought something would be different ... ... ... ... ... |
| 03:22.49 | Odlaw | ? |
| 03:23.14 | flugh | a dungeon in a BG maybe? |
| 03:23.21 | Lukian | kd3, haha, it's possible to party cross-realm somehow? :D |
| 03:23.37 | Thunder_Child | kd3, can you party while in a BG then keep it upon exit? |
| 03:24.05 | kd3 | I dunno |
| 03:24.12 | kd3 | that just showed up in tonight's build, though |
| 03:25.34 | Tekkub | woooo! I win |
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| 03:26.08 | Tekkub | got a guilt donation and I'm not even pulling the "oh noes I quits" crap |
| 03:26.16 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 03:26.21 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:26.24 | Duman | le poop |
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| 03:26.42 | Tekkub | and he doesn't even want any features/bugfixes |
| 03:26.48 | Duman | kd3: hmm |
| 03:27.21 | kd3 | eeouch. nearly full broken repair bills aren't cheap, even wearing cloth |
| 03:27.27 | kd3 | 35g |
| 03:27.45 | Duman | fun |
| 03:28.03 | Tekkub | 35g? |
| 03:28.26 | kd3 | I still gag seeing a 10g repair bill |
| 03:28.28 | Tekkub | 35/42000 == 0.0833333% |
| 03:28.38 | Tekkub | I think I can live with that :P |
| 03:28.48 | Duman | lol |
| 03:28.57 | Thunder_Child | kd3, per or total? |
| 03:29.08 | Duman | pre-bc raiding was a completely different beast |
| 03:29.20 | kd3 | ? |
| 03:29.41 | Thunder_Child | per 10% or at 0% |
| 03:29.51 | kd3 | I was at 8% when I repaired a minute ago |
| 03:29.54 | Duman | I think he meant when at or below 10% |
| 03:29.56 | Duman | yeah that |
| 03:31.25 | Tekkub | kd3, if you can't ask for donations you're not going to be able to cover your repair bills |
| 03:31.32 | Tekkub | guess you'll have to quit |
| 03:31.33 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, sissy. I've done 70g repair bills. :( |
| 03:31.39 | kd3 | oh noes, whatever will I have to do? |
| 03:31.39 | Tekkub | or start raiding in greens |
| 03:31.58 | kd3 | zorba; clothie. you weirdo plate wearers get to deal with the expensive plate repair bills |
| 03:32.57 | ZorbaTHut | this is why I have no sympathy for DPS with reagents for buffs. they have to pay a gold or two for buffs, I have to pay 20+g for repairs because I've had demons punching me in the face for hours |
| 03:33.10 | kd3 | reagents are cheap |
| 03:33.21 | kd3 | I do a daily my reagents are covered for the week |
| 03:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they are. some people complain about having to buy them :P |
| 03:33.42 | Thunder_Child | i hate having to remember them, i dont mind paying for them |
| 03:33.57 | Tekkub | reagents are nothing more than a "shit I forgot to restock" neucence |
| 03:34.03 | kd3 | <3 whichever auto-reagent-restocker mod I'm using |
| 03:34.14 | Tekkub | still have to remember to go to the vendor |
| 03:34.17 | Duman | free refills? |
| 03:34.18 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually been planning on rigging QH to automatically restock your reagents someday, by routing you to a reagent vendor |
| 03:34.19 | Thunder_Child | kd3, ^^ |
| 03:34.20 | Duman | that's what I use |
| 03:34.40 | ZorbaTHut | Turn in Kill A Lot Of Bears. Buy more Wild Thornroot. Kill bears for Kill Yet More Bears (0/10) |
| 03:34.48 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:34.51 | Tekkub | ... |
| 03:35.00 | Tekkub | because everyone needs reagents when leveling... |
| 03:35.15 | Duman | whoa |
| 03:35.17 | Duman | uh oh: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864309163&sid=1 |
| 03:35.19 | Dashkal | *cough* Corpse Dust *cough* |
| 03:35.21 | ZorbaTHut | people still use QH at 80 - daily quests, loremaster |
| 03:35.30 | kd3 | I'm still kinda sad blizz didn't put in a "Welcome to Northrend, adventurer! Go kill 20 Northrend Bears" quest |
| 03:35.34 | kd3 | somewhere |
| 03:35.36 | Tekkub | s/leveling/questing/ |
| 03:35.44 | Tekkub | and screw DKs! ^^ |
| 03:35.49 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, "look! they are white! this is completely different from Outland, where they were red" |
| 03:36.05 | Dashkal | Fine then. My druid preferres the 60m gift to the 30m |
| 03:36.15 | Tekkub | kd3, yea.. next exp there needs to be a bear quest early on |
| 03:36.22 | Tekkub | make it a named bear |
| 03:36.23 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, who said they did? it's just a convenient time to buy 'em - raid for a few days, then go do some dailies and QH is all "HEY SUCKA TAKE CARE OF THOSE REAGENTS" |
| 03:36.39 | ZorbaTHut | man, if there was a way to give QH a voice module that sounded like Mr. T |
| 03:36.41 | ZorbaTHut | I would so be there |
| 03:36.41 | Tekkub | you have to sneak past Tekkub and get his bag of whatever stuff |
| 03:37.25 | kd3 | oh wow. /2: Reforming Naxx raid id 6666666 |
| 03:37.49 | kd3 | which is entirely possible, considering I'm saved to 6657059 |
| 03:39.04 | MentalPower | SS or it didn't happen :P |
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| 03:41.19 | Gnarfoz | kd3: not counting up linearily on those |
| 03:41.34 | Gnarfoz | have had the same ID over and over before :O |
| 03:42.08 | Gnarfoz | also, same ID for different instances, too |
| 03:42.24 | Tekkub | I wonder if there's some correlation between the leader's GUID and the instance id |
| 03:42.36 | Tekkub | it'd make sense |
| 03:42.48 | Tekkub | no need to keep auto-incrementing ids |
| 03:43.19 | Tekkub | you'd never hit a conflict |
| 03:43.49 | Gnarfoz | yes, there is ;) |
| 03:44.33 | Gnarfoz | for every instance we enter with the same leader, we get the same ID in the same week |
| 03:44.44 | Tekkub | cool |
| 03:45.00 | Gnarfoz | (not certain if that requires it to be the same actual raid group, but it is anyway) |
| 03:54.05 | Thunder_Child | "Improved Scorch now also Increases your chance to critically hit with Scorch by an additional 3/6/9%" this screams bad idea |
| 03:55.43 | Hjalte | How come? |
| 03:55.57 | kd3 | wait, wait, just scorch!? |
| 03:56.09 | Gnarfoz | because warlocks will apply scorch anyway |
| 03:56.29 | Gnarfoz | yada yada |
| 03:57.46 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Why do you have a ship floating around in the middle of nowhere? |
| 03:59.00 | Arrowmaster | i do? |
| 03:59.07 | Shirik | You're "The Guild" right? |
| 03:59.11 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:59.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:59.15 | Shirik | then someone else does |
| 03:59.21 | Adys | New Mage Water by Neobane, 4.0 years ago |
| 03:59.22 | Adys | Mages now have a new Water Spell they may learn from a quest in Dire Maul at Level 60. Water is useable at level 55 and restores 4200 mana. Water is conjured in lots of 4, so I wouldn't harrass a 60 Mage to much about it. |
| 03:59.32 | Adys | man |
| 03:59.47 | ZorbaTHut | haha. "wouldn't harrass a mage" |
| 03:59.52 | Adys | http://thottbot.com/i13724 |
| 03:59.57 | Adys | by javagrrrl, 3.4 years ago |
| 03:59.58 | Adys | If someone buys them for you they won't be usable. You need friendly faction with Argent Dawn to use this item. |
| 04:00.02 | ZorbaTHut | it's like they understand their playerbase, but are willfully ignorant of the consequences |
| 04:00.03 | Adys | er |
| 04:00.05 | Adys | woops |
| 04:00.24 | Adys | "When you hit honoured the price is reduced to 54s for these things. Not too shabby considering you can eat and drink at the same time! " |
| 04:00.40 | Thunder_Child | Hjalte Gnarfoz, no because that would make it almost a 50% crit spell...+hot streak makes it very good indeed |
| 04:01.13 | Hjalte | Thunder_Child: So Blizzard achieved their goal of making it less painful to cast? |
| 04:02.32 | Thunder_Child | Hjalte, which one? |
| 04:02.41 | Thunder_Child | or rather what is "it" |
| 04:02.46 | Hjalte | Scorch* |
| 04:03.13 | Thunder_Child | no, since the new glyph is "Glyph of Improved Scorch -- The Improved Scorch talent now generates 5 (up from 3) applications of the Improved Scorch effect each time Scorch is cast." |
| 04:04.26 | Hjalte | I don't see how that changes it. |
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| 04:05.13 | Thunder_Child | well Hjalte, because of that glyph scorch is virtually painless to cast |
| 04:05.57 | Thunder_Child | i'm just saying that a near 50% crit spell plus hot streak (which does not seem to have an internal CD) it's rather interestig |
| 04:06.06 | Thunder_Child | s/it's/is/ |
| 04:06.31 | Hjalte | I'm a moonkin. I am pretty annoyed at just keeping up IFF which lasts 40 seconds now. I don't blame mages for wanting something to make Scorch more fun. |
| 04:07.09 | Thunder_Child | IFF? |
| 04:07.25 | Hjalte | Faerie Fire, which is improved because of my talents :) |
| 04:07.32 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 04:09.16 | Adys | uhg |
| 04:09.54 | Hjalte | But I'm a sad Moonkin. I don't see why Blizzard needs to make most of our future Ulduar gear so bad. I mean, spirit is not very good for Moonkins. I might need to keep too much gear untill I can grab those ilvl 239 pieces. |
| 04:10.16 | Adys | thats what happens when you dont pay attention |
| 04:10.20 | Adys | "flags": "flags" in flags(flags=self.flags), |
| 04:10.33 | Thunder_Child | Hjalte, they may have a spirit change in the works like mages....though i cant say much for what they did to mages |
| 04:10.53 | Adys | fire mages |
| 04:10.56 | Tekkub | o/~ and we were duh duh done with all the fuh fuh fuckin around o/~ |
| 04:11.02 | Adys | spirit is still useless to frost mages |
| 04:11.04 | Tekkub | I love this song, it always makes me happy |
| 04:11.06 | Thunder_Child | point |
| 04:11.23 | Thunder_Child | well "anyone who uses molten armor" |
| 04:11.26 | Adys | in their mind "If a mage uses mage armor they benefit from spirit" |
| 04:11.37 | Adys | and thats true but its just bollocks |
| 04:11.57 | Adys | I got insane mana gems, and evoc on a short cooldown |
| 04:12.18 | Adys | mage armor gets to 50% in patch, and my managems will be even more insane |
| 04:15.25 | Thunder_Child | and i think they will be altering evoc as well |
| 04:15.39 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:15.46 | Adys | they'll remove 30 sec off the cooldown again |
| 04:15.47 | Arrowmaster | mages get 100% between talents and mage armor i think |
| 04:15.47 | Adys | :P |
| 04:15.54 | Adys | in 3.1 yes |
| 04:16.08 | Adys | except no mage sane in their mind takes the 50% regen thingy from arcane tree |
| 04:16.09 | Thunder_Child | you can easy get to 150% |
| 04:16.09 | Adys | well |
| 04:16.12 | Adys | no frost mage |
| 04:16.22 | ZorbaTHut | eventually mages will just have a talent called Never Run Out Of MP |
| 04:16.32 | Adys | we have it |
| 04:16.44 | Adys | but it costs a fair bit of dps |
| 04:17.00 | Adys | it requires 2p t7, glyph of mana geml |
| 04:18.30 | Adys | at this point you have to choose between doing lower dps because you're conserving mana, doing lower dps because you're getting mana-conservation talents, and doing lower dps because you're OOM |
| 04:18.33 | cog|away | bleeter: ping |
| 04:19.31 | bleeter | cog|away: pang |
| 04:19.49 | Cairenn | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/kindle2/Periodic_Table_of_Typefaces_large.jpg |
| 04:21.25 | Cairenn | http://www.flickr.com/photos/techthis/3368683205/sizes/l/ |
| 04:21.35 | Adys | there are some horrible fonts in there |
| 04:24.59 | bleeter | cog|away: I AM NOT AN IRC RANTER, I AM AN NOBODY! |
| 04:26.27 | cog|away | NO U! |
| 04:26.50 | Adys | http://www.danielmall.com/archives/2006/08/22/typobituaries.php |
| 04:26.56 | Adys | funny thing half of them are on that table |
| 04:27.53 | Iriel | Adys: It does say "Popular, Influential & Notorious" |
| 04:28.03 | Adys | Yeah, i guess |
| 04:28.29 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jybMgaXBJYk&feature=rec-HM-r2 |
| 04:28.33 | Adys | it just seems like a weird bunch of choices put together |
| 04:29.08 | AnduinLothar | i swear this druid just healed himself in bear form wtf |
| 04:29.08 | Iriel | Tekkub: I will never follow a youtube link from you |
| 04:29.19 | Tekkub | you have no faith |
| 04:29.24 | Tekkub | so sad |
| 04:29.40 | Iriel | It's for the same reason I wont eat mysterious mushrooms in the woods |
| 04:29.41 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: frenzied regen? |
| 04:29.49 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 04:29.49 | Iriel | self-preservation |
| 04:29.55 | AnduinLothar | hax |
| 04:29.59 | Adys | Tekkub: awesome |
| 04:30.08 | Tekkub | you should be more worried about my addons |
| 04:30.32 | Iriel | Tekkub: I haven't had to use any of them yet |
| 04:30.37 | Iriel | Tekkub: I use very few addons myself |
| 04:30.42 | Tekkub | Iriel, look at it this way... I have to specifically launch firefox to get flash to even watch videos |
| 04:30.48 | Tekkub | if I'm posting it here, it's good |
| 04:31.01 | Iriel | Tekkub: good.. or REALLY bad |
| 04:31.06 | Iriel | I'm not sure I can take that risk |
| 04:31.09 | Tekkub | which is good |
| 04:32.13 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, it's amusing |
| 04:32.19 | Tekkub | I only have.. 109 addons |
| 04:32.29 | Tekkub | probly 2.3 are my own |
| 04:32.38 | Thunder_Child | 2.3? |
| 04:32.40 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 04:32.46 | Tekkub | maybe if Zootfizzle would do his fucking job I wouldn't need them |
| 04:32.54 | Tekkub | s/./\// |
| 04:34.33 | Thunder_Child | ya, that makes more sense |
| 04:35.52 | Tekkub | 76 of them |
| 04:36.12 | Tekkub | I was off, that's ~3/4 |
| 04:36.21 | bleeter | yes |
| 04:36.23 | bleeter | you're very off :P |
| 04:37.14 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/83942 |
| 04:37.17 | Tekkub | too many addons... |
| 04:38.33 | Anaralx2 | Tekkub do you run embedded or did you just not include them? |
| 04:38.43 | Shirik | Why is it git://url.com/123.git |
| 04:38.49 | Shirik | Isn't the double git redundant? |
| 04:38.53 | Tekkub | embedded |
| 04:39.13 | Anaralx2 | Shiibot: gist not git. ;) |
| 04:39.19 | Tekkub | I'm very anal about embed lib sizes |
| 04:39.35 | Anaralx2 | bah |
| 04:39.41 | Shirik | Public Clone URL:git://gist.github.com/83942.git |
| 04:39.44 | Anaralx2 | Shirik not Shiibot |
| 04:39.51 | Arrowmaster | the trailing .git means its a bare repo and does not have a working directory |
| 04:39.55 | Tekkub | Shirik, because bare repos are usually in a folder named with a .git |
| 04:39.59 | Tekkub | it's just a path |
| 04:40.02 | Anaralx2 | Okay fine, it's redundant. |
| 04:40.22 | Shirik | I don't understand the difference |
| 04:40.29 | Iriel | You dont HAVE to name them with .gif tho |
| 04:40.32 | Shirik | why does git differentiate between a "bare repo" and a "repo with stuff in them" |
| 04:40.42 | Tekkub | why http:// AND .html? the "ht" is the same in both |
| 04:40.45 | Iriel | because git usually has a combined repo/working directory |
| 04:40.55 | Shirik | Tekkub: Because one's a protocol and one's a markup language |
| 04:41.05 | Iriel | the repo is in the .git subdirectory of the working directory |
| 04:41.06 | Tekkub | :P |
| 04:41.33 | Shirik | I'll just assume I don't understand enough about git to make sense of this, though you've convinced me it's not redundant by stating that this is a special case, and not all are like this |
| 04:41.34 | Tekkub | git://gist.github.com/83942 would be just as valid if that's what the path was |
| 04:41.45 | Tekkub | it's just common practice to name bare repos with a .git |
| 04:44.07 | bleeter | so anyone got any idea when Blizz marketing are gunna update their official facebook site? |
| 04:44.41 | bleeter | coz it has bad smell of not being touched since before wrath's launch lolololFAILBLIZZ |
| 04:44.42 | Tekkub | when they get drunk and think it matter? |
| 04:45.03 | bleeter | oh actually.. hmm it's not marketing |
| 04:45.11 | bleeter | it's wowtech@ that's running the FB page hahaha |
| 04:48.25 | bleeter | nsfw ... well, the topic prolly nsfw but no naughty pictures n stuff.... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0318091dog1.html |
| 04:48.40 | bleeter | so if your office is liberal in it's censorship you may.. oh well |
| 04:48.46 | kd3 | oh, saw that one... >.< |
| 04:48.47 | bleeter | just read the opening FAIL para |
| 04:48.54 | bleeter | kd3: some stunning fail |
| 04:54.00 | Shirik | bleeter: I like the affadavit in that post |
| 04:54.09 | Shirik | "The MDA and SHA1 hashes matched" |
| 04:54.10 | Wobin | http://www.ironicsans.com/2009/03/idea_tshirts_for_hairychested.html |
| 04:54.14 | Shirik | MDA hash huh? |
| 04:55.46 | bleeter | <Left Wife For Naxx> |
| 04:58.26 | bleeter | Shirik: nah, the MDA matches the SHA1 hash |
| 04:59.00 | Shirik | "The MDA and SHA1 hashvalues matched before and after the imaging process" |
| 04:59.30 | bleeter | it's a very badly worded sentence, I'm giving the second possible meaning:P |
| 04:59.39 | Shirik | wtf is an MDA |
| 04:59.42 | bleeter | though why a mail delivery agent would match an SHA1 nfi |
| 04:59.51 | bleeter | Shirik: WINNER |
| 04:59.52 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:00.31 | Shirik | I wonder if there is any sha1 hash whose hash is itself |
| 05:02.17 | Shefki | Shirik: I think you should get a grant and spend years finding it. |
| 05:02.27 | Shirik | It's only 20 bytes |
| 05:02.30 | Shirik | it can't take that long |
| 05:02.35 | Shirik | lua> 2^20 |
| 05:02.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1048576 |
| 05:02.44 | Shirik | 1 million numbers to test |
| 05:02.53 | Tekkub | do it |
| 05:02.55 | Shefki | Shirik: Well then don't get a grant and spend however long it takes you to find it. |
| 05:03.12 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, you're looking for 256^20 |
| 05:03.16 | ZorbaTHut | that number is a bit larger. :) |
| 05:03.29 | ZorbaTHut | although, I don't think it is 20 bytes, I think it's 20 hex characters, so 16^20 |
| 05:03.31 | Shirik | hm yes |
| 05:03.36 | Shirik | no, it's 40 hex characters |
| 05:03.47 | ZorbaTHut | is it? alright, I haven't counted lately |
| 05:04.09 | ZorbaTHut | in any case, one of the big properties of a useful cryptographic hash function is that it's not practically brute-forcable |
| 05:04.17 | Tekkub | l2countinhex |
| 05:04.20 | ZorbaTHut | so I feel like any project based on brute-forcing one is doomed to failure ;) |
| 05:04.45 | Shirik | Except in this case we're in an extremely restricted environment |
| 05:04.53 | ZorbaTHut | also, the chance is about 63% that there is - it's (1-1/x)^x, and that approaches a value around 63% (someone mathier than I could probably get an algebraic result) |
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| 05:06.39 | Shirik | That would be true if the numbers were truly random |
| 05:06.40 | Shirik | they aren't |
| 05:06.56 | Shirik | In particular, the hash was designed for snowballing |
| 05:07.09 | ZorbaTHut | true, but from there you're looking at taking someone who knows the crypto very well and telling them to analyze it. :) |
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| 05:11.33 | Tem | oh god damnit |
| 05:11.41 | Tem | s/mn/mm/ |
| 05:11.59 | Tem | more DK tank nerfs |
| 05:12.20 | Tem | Zootfizzle, club Alex on the head for me |
| 05:13.19 | bleeter | Tem: i read 'head' in the military sense there on first scan hahha |
| 05:13.31 | bleeter | i was 'wut?' |
| 05:13.47 | Tem | there must be a meaning of the word that I'm not familiar with |
| 05:13.53 | Tem | because I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 05:14.22 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_(watercraft) |
| 05:14.26 | bleeter | good enough |
| 05:15.26 | Tem | aha |
| 05:15.34 | Tem | wut indeed |
| 05:15.36 | Dagmar | Well, you know... you catch him while he's busy in the head and he'll be distracted and possibly have his hands full |
| 05:15.39 | Dagmar | Much easier to sap then |
| 05:15.41 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 05:16.35 | bleeter | Tem: yar I was 'what, there's some nightclub called alex onboard morhaime's yacht??' |
| 05:16.41 | Wobin | a 66 DK |
| 05:16.45 | Wobin | doing 270dps |
| 05:17.00 | Tem | Wobin, that's impressivly bad |
| 05:17.15 | Dagmar | I don't even know how you'd go about that |
| 05:17.30 | bleeter | skilling up unarmed? |
| 05:17.36 | PProvost | I'd think a DK could do better than that randomly mashing buttons |
| 05:17.54 | Dagmar | A DK *can* do better than that randomly mashing buttons |
| 05:17.59 | Wobin | from the looks of it |
| 05:18.00 | Dagmar | Mine sure as heck does |
| 05:18.09 | Wobin | she's 40% melee, 20% IT |
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| 05:18.16 | Dagmar | IT? |
| 05:18.42 | Wobin | and Icy Touch |
| 05:18.47 | Wobin | er s/and// |
| 05:18.49 | Dagmar | I think my ghoul does more DPS than that |
| 05:19.01 | Wobin | and 8% frost strike |
| 05:19.19 | Dagmar | No plague strike? |
| 05:19.30 | Wobin | None |
| 05:19.42 | Dagmar | That's just madness |
| 05:19.55 | Wobin | Now the DK tank that was running had decent dps |
| 05:20.13 | Wobin | around 650 |
| 05:20.31 | Wobin | and only a levels difference to the first DK =P |
| 05:20.56 | Dagmar | Tell them Icy Touch, PLague Strike, then Pestilence (to spread the love around), then Blood Boil and mash buttons as needed |
| 05:21.38 | Dagmar | With four disease effects going from the first two casts, you can pretty much stand there and just grin broadly while smacking them with Death Strike (becasue it heals you based on the diseases you have on the target) |
| 05:22.00 | Wobin | intersting |
| 05:22.03 | Wobin | no pestilience at all |
| 05:22.10 | Dagmar | That's crazy |
| 05:22.26 | Wobin | and really, only two disease effects |
| 05:22.32 | Dagmar | A major component of DK damage is just spreading those dots around and letting them cook |
| 05:22.44 | Wobin | Oh I know, I have a 80dk tank |
| 05:22.58 | Wobin | I'm just disappointed in kids nowadays with their shiny new DKs |
| 05:23.15 | Dagmar | I haven't looked at them closely, but after the first two casts they've got four effects on them |
| 05:23.40 | Wobin | Only the two disease, Frost Fever and Blood Plague count |
| 05:23.54 | Wobin | (Or Ebon plague/followup) |
| 05:23.58 | Shirik | This page requires Windows® Internet Explorer® v5.5 or later, running on Windows®. |
| 05:24.02 | Shirik | I WILL DESTROY YOU |
| 05:24.13 | Dagmar | Ah well, either way, apply the ruler to the back of the hands until they learn to use Pestilence and Plague Strike |
| 05:24.39 | Thunder_Child | you fail Shirik |
| 05:25.19 | Dagmar | Oh man, I must have Corpse Explosion already |
| 05:25.29 | Wobin | actually, given her build, she should use howling blast more too |
| 05:25.36 | Wobin | CE is fun =) |
| 05:25.51 | Dagmar | It's a freaking hoot in places like SM once you get the glyph that lets it chain reaction |
| 05:26.11 | Shirik | All the page does is have a button to click on that downloads an MSI and runs it |
| 05:26.18 | Shirik | Why the hell do you need to require Internet explorer |
| 05:26.34 | Dagmar | because other browsers know better than to just run random stuff they find on websites |
| 05:26.56 | Dagmar | IE is like a special schooling kid who picks "candy" up off the street and puts it right into their mouth |
| 05:28.08 | Dagmar | Wobin: They've started a guild at the office on a new server, so I've been somewhat hastily piecing together a rich uncle to make up for the lack of existing resources |
| 05:28.51 | Wobin | Dagmar: guild? |
| 05:29.14 | Dagmar | Oh you don't _even_ want to know the name |
| 05:29.26 | Dagmar | I'm still waiting to see a 3-day land on us all |
| 05:29.42 | Dagmar | Amelia Earhart is cool and all, but still. |
| 05:30.18 | Dagmar | It's literally a guild named after the fact that one of our guys got an interesting domain name that was somehow unregistered |
| 05:32.30 | Thunder_Child | <Epic Phail> i wouldnt be caught dead in that guild |
| 05:32.38 | Thunder_Child | or alive for that matter |
| 05:33.19 | Dagmar | I've already told the guy in question if we have anything that looks even remotely like a penis on the guild tabard, that it was nice working with him while it lasted |
| 05:37.35 | Tem | there is a joke I'm missing |
| 05:37.41 | Tem | and it sounds funny |
| 05:37.47 | Dagmar | Our boss is in the guild. |
| 05:37.50 | Dagmar | And our bosses boss. |
| 05:38.03 | Dagmar | ...and probably HIS boss after we start raiding with those toons |
| 05:38.10 | Tem | you didn't tell us the guild name |
| 05:38.23 | Dagmar | Amelia Earhart's call sign is K-H-A-Q-Q |
| 05:38.49 | Tem | okay? |
| 05:38.51 | Dagmar | Last transmission near Howling Island was "K H A Q Q calling Itasca..." |
| 05:39.07 | Dagmar | Say it like it was a word and not letters and teenage boys will giggle for an hour |
| 05:39.19 | Tem | am I just really tired or |
| 05:39.21 | Tem | oh |
| 05:39.28 | Tem | meh |
| 05:40.00 | Tem | I do need sleep, though |
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| 06:05.44 | nevcairiel | Yay, we got UnitHasVehicleUI in the safe environment |
| 06:08.18 | cog|away | happy dance? haven't seen one of those in ages... well, days... |
| 06:08.45 | nevcairiel | Also if i read this right, vehicle swapping for raid frames |
| 06:08.50 | nevcairiel | more happyness |
| 06:09.12 | Fisker- | sigh |
| 06:09.21 | Fisker- | crusader strike with mortal strike effect |
| 06:09.29 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 06:09.33 | AnduinLothar | yes please? |
| 06:09.40 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864309119&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 06:09.44 | Fisker- | no thanks |
| 06:09.51 | AnduinLothar | hawt |
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| 06:10.07 | nevcairiel | wow this is amazing |
| 06:10.11 | nevcairiel | finally some really nice changes |
| 06:11.08 | AnduinLothar | oh, that isn't a mortal strike |
| 06:11.30 | AnduinLothar | it reduced the healing/dmg done for 6s, not the healing taken |
| 06:11.52 | AnduinLothar | and only if you hit them while casting |
| 06:12.05 | nevcairiel | same as overpower, eh? |
| 06:12.06 | Fisker- | aww |
| 06:12.10 | smcn | "That is not an official change. It is something we were experimenting with, but not a change we are going to make for 3.1. " |
| 06:12.13 | AnduinLothar | yes, it's an overpower |
| 06:12.20 | Fisker- | i wonder if it works with bosses :o |
| 06:12.28 | AnduinLothar | no it wont |
| 06:12.46 | AnduinLothar | it's just something they were playign around with |
| 06:12.58 | AnduinLothar | not sure why it made it onto ptr |
| 06:13.01 | AnduinLothar | accident |
| 06:13.21 | digmouse | it works like arms warrior |
| 06:13.29 | digmouse | not a true MS exactly |
| 06:13.33 | AnduinLothar | but they're prolly gonna do something to CS, just haven't decided yet i guess |
| 06:14.13 | Fisker- | i still await them actually fixing stuff |
| 06:14.22 | Fisker- | instead of bandaid on bandaids |
| 06:14.36 | Adys | [08:12:10] <smcn> "That is not an official change. It is something we were experimenting with, but not a change we are going to make for 3.1. " |
| 06:14.37 | Adys | what is? |
| 06:14.51 | AnduinLothar | the pally overpower on CS |
| 06:15.07 | AnduinLothar | read the link :P |
| 06:15.09 | Fisker- | but i guess 3.1 is next week then |
| 06:15.11 | Fisker- | :( |
| 06:15.18 | Adys | AnduinLothar: i joined just after |
| 06:15.20 | Fisker- | or possible the week after next week |
| 06:15.26 | digmouse | so 2 weeks |
| 06:15.32 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864309119&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 06:16.13 | AnduinLothar | if cs were an interupt that could be interesting |
| 06:16.14 | Duman | overpower? |
| 06:16.21 | Duman | oh, the change to unrelenting assault |
| 06:23.09 | NeoTron | o if i read this right, vehicle swapping for raid frames |
| 06:23.09 | NeoTron | 23:08 < nevcairiel> more happyness |
| 06:23.09 | NeoTron | 23:09 < Fisker-> sigh |
| 06:23.10 | NeoTron | 23:09 < Fisker-> crusader strike with mortal strike effect |
| 06:23.10 | NeoTron | 23:09 <+AnduinLothar> ? |
| 06:23.11 | Adys | MentalPower: ping |
| 06:23.12 | NeoTron | 23:09 <+AnduinLothar> yes please? |
| 06:23.14 | NeoTron | 23:09 < Fisker-> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864309119&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 06:23.18 | NeoTron | 23:09 < Fisker-> no thanks |
| 06:23.20 | NeoTron | 23:09 <+AnduinLothar> hawt |
| 06:23.23 | NeoTron | 23:10 < nevcairiel> wow this is amazing |
| 06:23.25 | NeoTron | 23:10 < nevcairiel> finally some really nice changes |
| 06:23.27 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: copypasta failure |
| 06:23.28 | NeoTron | 23:10 * nevcairiel adds support to his addons |
| 06:23.30 | NeoTron | 23:11 <+AnduinLothar> oh, that isn't a mortal strike |
| 06:23.33 | NeoTron | 23:11 <+AnduinLothar> it reduced the healing/dmg done for 6s, not the healing taken |
| 06:23.36 | NeoTron | 23:11 <+AnduinLothar> and only if you hit them while casting |
| 06:23.38 | NeoTron | 23:12 < nevcairiel> same as overpower, eh? |
| 06:23.41 | NeoTron | 23:12 < Fisker-> aww |
| 06:23.43 | NeoTron | 23:12 < smcn> "That is not an official change. It is something we were experimenting with, but not a change we are going to make for 3.1. " |
| 06:23.46 | NeoTron | 23:12 <+AnduinLothar> yes, it's an overpower |
| 06:23.49 | NeoTron | 23:12 < Fisker-> i wonder if it works with bosses :o |
| 06:23.51 | NeoTron | 23:12 <+AnduinLothar> no it wont |
| 06:23.54 | NeoTron | 23:12 <+AnduinLothar> it's just something they were playign around with |
| 06:23.56 | NeoTron | 23:12 <+AnduinLothar> not sure why it made it onto ptr |
| 06:23.58 | nevcairiel | ~lart NeoTron |
| 06:23.58 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking NeoTron's head off |
| 06:23.59 | NeoTron | 23:13 <+AnduinLothar> accident |
| 06:24.01 | NeoTron | 23:13 < digmouse> it works like arms warrior |
| 06:24.02 | Dewin | This is when you just temporarily kick him which'll hopefully stop the cliernt from flooding? |
| 06:24.04 | NeoTron | 23:13 < digmouse> not a true MS exactly |
| 06:24.05 | MentalPower | Adys: pong |
| 06:24.06 | NeoTron | 23:13 <+AnduinLothar> but they're prolly gonna do something to CS, just haven't decided yet i guess |
| 06:24.07 | smcn | did i go back in time? |
| 06:24.09 | NeoTron | 23:14 < Fisker-> i still await them actually fixing stuff |
| 06:24.12 | NeoTron | 23:14 < Fisker-> instead of bandaid on bandaids |
| 06:24.14 | NeoTron | holy hell |
| 06:24.17 | NeoTron | sorry about tht |
| 06:24.18 | MentalPower | NeoTron: stop |
| 06:24.19 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 06:24.22 | NeoTron | ~fail nevcairiel |
| 06:24.42 | purl | nevcairiel, you Fail! |
| 06:24.42 | NeoTron | err |
| 06:24.42 | NeoTron | I fail a lot |
| 06:24.42 | NeoTron | fail me :) |
| 06:24.42 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 06:24.43 | Duman | lol |
| 06:24.43 | Duman | fail your mouse |
| 06:24.46 | NeoTron | MentalPower: no I planned to continue |
| 06:24.46 | digmouse | I didnt fail! |
| 06:24.53 | nevcairiel | But yes, in theory this allows vehicle swaping for raid frames. |
| 06:24.56 | NeoTron | ~fail NeoTron |
| 06:24.57 | purl | NeoTron: FAIL! |
| 06:27.21 | Fisker- | awesome NeoTron |
| 06:27.26 | Fisker- | ~epic fail |
| 06:27.30 | Fisker- | ~epic fail NeoTron |
| 06:27.31 | purl | NeoTron, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you NeoTron, you are that epic failure. |
| 06:28.03 | NeoTron | Fisker-: I live to please |
| 06:29.14 | nevcairiel | I wish the PTR realms would get back up so i can play with the change |
| 06:30.27 | bleeter | nevcairiel: I won't be happy unless I can put a bloody macro on the vehicle toolbar ;) |
| 06:30.42 | bleeter | well, I won't be happy anyways 'coz the healing UI prolly still sux |
| 06:30.44 | Shirik | Anyone know of a good way to make a signed byte into an unsigned one? |
| 06:30.51 | Shirik | b < 0 ? ((int)b) & 0x7F | 0x80: (int) b |
| 06:30.53 | Shirik | That's what I have right now |
| 06:31.18 | Shirik | but it seems unnecessarily complex |
| 06:31.30 | Thunder_Child | just like life |
| 06:37.48 | bleeter | goddamn it |
| 06:37.49 | batrick | shirik, why not use abs() ? |
| 06:37.56 | bleeter | ANOTHER 'where do I get first aid after 150' request |
| 06:37.57 | Shirik | because that would be wrong? |
| 06:38.13 | batrick | do you want to cast or actually make the value unsigned? |
| 06:38.14 | Shirik | abs(0xFF) == 1 |
| 06:38.26 | Shirik | There is no such thing as "unsigned" in Java |
| 06:38.28 | Shirik | hence my problem |
| 06:38.30 | Shirik | also FUCK JAVA |
| 06:38.34 | batrick | ^ |
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| 06:39.23 | batrick | you didn't answer my question shirik |
| 06:39.51 | Shirik | well I can't cast |
| 06:39.57 | Shirik | there's no unsigned |
| 06:40.04 | batrick | isn't there a "byte" type in java? |
| 06:40.08 | Shirik | there is |
| 06:40.13 | Shirik | it goes from -128 to 127 |
| 06:40.20 | batrick | a cast doesn't actually change the value, just how the compiler views the value |
| 06:40.23 | batrick | as you know... |
| 06:40.27 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:40.31 | batrick | if you want to change it then you have to do the magic you are doing |
| 06:40.34 | Shirik | but I need the value to be from 0 to 255 |
| 06:40.48 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, whouldnt it be easier to simply create a different program for each OS? |
| 06:41.05 | Shirik | yes, but I think that it should be easier than that batrick |
| 06:41.08 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Not really |
| 06:41.15 | Shirik | considering the complexity of the application |
| 06:41.24 | Fisker- | this is all your fault Shirik |
| 06:41.51 | batrick | why do you need it unsigned shirik? |
| 06:41.59 | batrick | you can interpret its actual value when you need it |
| 06:42.01 | batrick | just use a byte |
| 06:42.10 | Shirik | because the function I'm passing it to expects an integer from 0-255 |
| 06:42.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, even being able to write it in a language you know/like better? |
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| 07:06.00 | Tekkub | 406662 |
| 07:06.08 | Tekkub | my auth token hates me |
| 07:08.46 | cog|away | it's jealous. it can't figure out why you'd spend all your time with your other smaller token |
| 07:09.19 | Thunder_Child | lol cog|away |
| 07:10.04 | Shefki | bleeter: Are you Kantankerus? |
| 07:10.16 | Shirik | cog|away: ow |
| 07:10.19 | Shirik | that was painful |
| 07:10.27 | bleeter | Shefki: Im mad as hell and not gunna take it no more :P |
| 07:11.05 | bleeter | Shefki: and in other news, yes |
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| 07:13.12 | Shirik | Hm |
| 07:13.20 | Shirik | Pandora picked "Battle Theme (Final Fantasy VI)" |
| 07:19.18 | batrick | I need to stop reading these UI forums |
| 07:19.42 | batrick | all it does is make me angry |
| 07:19.42 | Cairenn | batrick: probably a plan |
| 07:21.05 | nevcairiel | Just be happy about the latest ptr builds UI changes like me, and everythign is well |
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| 07:22.05 | bleeter | nevcairiel: wut? healing raid frames? macros on vehicle ui? woohoo! |
| 07:22.35 | Torhal | bleeter: Naw, he made it so you can use Clique to heal your vehicle. |
| 07:22.36 | Torhal | <.< |
| 07:22.38 | Torhal | >.> |
| 07:22.58 | bleeter | that's |
| 07:23.00 | bleeter | um |
| 07:23.01 | bleeter | useful |
| 07:23.33 | nevcairiel | the essence of the change is that you no longer need pet frames to view vehicles |
| 07:23.40 | PProvost | Cairenn: I think it will fall into the past. I don't think the policy will be changed. I think some will leave over it. I think most won't. But I'm not a very good oracle. |
| 07:23.42 | nevcairiel | in vehicle based fights like malygos or flame leviathan |
| 07:25.17 | Shirik | PProvost: A good oracle? |
| 07:25.23 | PProvost | Fortune teller |
| 07:25.48 | Cairenn | PProvost: I just ... we've all worked so hard over the last how many years? to build this great author community ... I hate all the in-fighting and I hate that it has people that were previously, if not actual friends, at least respected each other and could get along now all mad at each other and I HATE that I can't "fix" it |
| 07:25.53 | Shirik | Oh |
| 07:25.56 | Shirik | I read "It's not a very good oracle" |
| 07:26.03 | Shirik | doesn't make much sense that way :) |
| 07:26.08 | End | end@tetris(~) $ fortune -s |
| 07:26.08 | End | Never be led astray onto the path of virtue. |
| 07:26.17 | End | ... That's my fortune! |
| 07:26.27 | PProvost | Cairenn: I know. But ultimately I think the community as a whole is strong enough to weather it |
| 07:26.27 | Shirik | whats -s? |
| 07:26.33 | End | short fortunes only |
| 07:26.36 | Cairenn | I hope so, I really really do |
| 07:26.46 | PProvost | New people will come up. Some will leave. Friendships will break up and some will reform. |
| 07:26.46 | Shirik | Hm, maybe I should do that for my login script |
| 07:26.53 | End | It'll be damaging no matter how this ends |
| 07:26.55 | Shirik | My login script queries fortune |
| 07:26.59 | End | for the community |
| 07:27.06 | Cairenn | End: I know :( |
| 07:27.15 | Cairenn | I hate it I hate it I hate it |
| 07:27.36 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ fortune -s |
| 07:27.36 | Shirik | Congratulations! You are the one-millionth user to log into our system. If there's anything special we can do for you, anything at all, don't hesitate to ask! |
| 07:27.38 | Cairenn | at this point, I really don't give a shit about the policy one way or the other, I just hate what it's done to the group |
| 07:27.39 | Shirik | :/ |
| 07:27.49 | PProvost | Cairenn: agreed |
| 07:27.50 | krka | i made u a policy but i eated it |
| 07:28.00 | Tekkub | I think none of us give a *real* shit about it anymore |
| 07:28.08 | Tekkub | they're just bitching cause it's the thing to do |
| 07:28.11 | bleeter | gnight cog|away |
| 07:28.12 | End | Well |
| 07:28.18 | End | people have drawn their lines in the sand |
| 07:28.24 | cog|away | bleeter: nn |
| 07:28.28 | Shirik | Or painted lines across the room, End |
| 07:28.30 | End | and they'll probably stick to them on principle now |
| 07:28.33 | cog|away | bleeter: or was that a hint? |
| 07:28.34 | cog|away | :P |
| 07:28.47 | End | Shirik: well, they drew them |
| 07:28.52 | bleeter | cog|away: your post read like you needed a hint ;) |
| 07:28.58 | cog|away | i do! |
| 07:29.11 | Cairenn | night cog|sleep |
| 07:29.17 | Tekkub | or just splattered the paint all over themselves and ran around yelling "fur is murder" |
| 07:29.17 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 07:29.36 | cog|sleep | Cairenn: would be nice ;) |
| 07:29.58 | bleeter | Cairenn: just as long as you don't hate the group for what's happened. |
| 07:30.19 | Cairenn | nope |
| 07:30.21 | cog|sleep | End: fwiw, i've already given a lot of ground on some of the legal technicalities ;) |
| 07:30.30 | End | cog|sleep: LIES |
| 07:30.34 | End | cog|sleep: STAY THE COURSE |
| 07:30.38 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ fortune |
| 07:30.38 | Shirik | Any circuit design must contain at least one part which is obsolete, two parts |
| 07:30.38 | Shirik | which are unobtainable, and three parts which are still under development. |
| 07:30.39 | cog|sleep | I hate it for what it is more than whether it's enforceable |
| 07:30.40 | Shirik | win |
| 07:30.47 | cog|sleep | so RAWR! NN |
| 07:31.00 | bleeter | Cairenn: also, you know full well what I think about Blizz and their relationship to $$ and ingame ;) |
| 07:31.24 | bleeter | which admittedly is tangental... curiously tangental |
| 07:31.25 | End | bleeter: how blue is the sky today? |
| 07:31.27 | Cairenn | and I really wish BOTH sides had been willing to wait and see if Blizz would clarify before they decided to draw those lines in the sand |
| 07:31.50 | End | I think people want to make it clear they mean it |
| 07:31.57 | zenzio | Cairenn: be glad if they did it in sand. Some have carved it in rocks |
| 07:31.59 | bleeter | Cairenn: Blizz should've had the smarts to run it past well respected people before publishing. Certainly seems to me like they didn't. |
| 07:32.25 | bleeter | Cairenn: blind freddy could've seen it'd cause ... ruptures.. in the community. |
| 07:32.45 | cog|sleep | Mine's more in wood... i can burn it if need be, but it's pretty much solid unless i ignore it and it rots |
| 07:33.02 | bleeter | rod own back as the horse' bolted or some other mixed metaphor :P |
| 07:33.10 | Cairenn | anyway, I didn't mean to bring it all back up again |
| 07:33.14 | End | I dunno. I thought it was stupid and a overreaching when I read it |
| 07:33.22 | End | but I didn't expect this magnitude of response |
| 07:33.26 | Cairenn | I just really hurt for the entire community |
| 07:33.37 | bleeter | Cairenn: 'bring it up again'....that reminds me of an expression I heard about the current world economic stimulous packages... |
| 07:33.43 | bleeter | ...'like a dog returning to it's vomit'... |
| 07:33.48 | Cairenn | ewwwwww |
| 07:33.52 | cog|sleep | my dog did that yesterday |
| 07:33.55 | Cairenn | I didn't need that visual, thanks |
| 07:33.56 | End | >_< |
| 07:34.27 | Torhal | Cairenn: So I take it that isn't one of your emoticons? |
| 07:34.32 | Cairenn | no |
| 07:34.35 | Torhal | Heh |
| 07:34.36 | krka | mine's in plastic, harvested from the oil from ancient dinosaurs |
| 07:34.38 | Cairenn | I hate vomit smilies |
| 07:34.40 | krka | err.. or something |
| 07:34.47 | End | krka: your vomit? |
| 07:34.48 | krka | i forgot how these analogies worked :/ |
| 07:34.49 | End | or your line? |
| 07:34.57 | krka | line! |
| 07:35.25 | cog|sleep | krka: harvested your line from ancient dinosaurs... sounds right to me! |
| 07:35.35 | bleeter | Cairenn: I'm not particularly fond of them either, but the constant bailouts... are... deserving of them ;) |
| 07:35.36 | cog|sleep | analogies ur doing it rite |
| 07:35.49 | cog|sleep | |sleep i'm doing it rong |
| 07:35.57 | bleeter | cog|sleep: U R GETTIN SLEEPZ!!! |
| 07:36.00 | End | cog|sleep fails at sleep |
| 07:36.02 | bleeter | MOAR SLEEPEEZ!!! |
| 07:36.04 | Cairenn | nini |
| 07:36.10 | bleeter | luk intoo mi iiz |
| 07:36.21 | krka | im in ur bed disturbing ur sleepz |
| 07:36.31 | bleeter | im just disturbing |
| 07:36.39 | End | truf |
| 07:36.50 | Torhal | Gah. Knowing my luck, my new RAM and video card will show up tomorrow when the realms are down. |
| 07:38.39 | Spellbinder | awsome then you have plenty of time to install them proparly :) |
| 07:39.13 | Torhal | More like, take the 5 minutes to do so then wait for three or more hours until I can see the difference. |
| 07:39.15 | Spellbinder | allways look at the bright side of life, dadum dadum dadumdumdumdum |
| 07:39.38 | Spellbinder | well you got to configure and stuff to |
| 07:40.04 | Tekkub | PTR why do you hate me? |
| 07:40.07 | Spellbinder | maybe try it out on another game to get as much out of it as possible |
| 07:40.16 | Torhal | Not really. RAM is zero config, and Ubuntu is much nicer with drivers than Windows. |
| 07:40.34 | Torhal | I'll probably end up finishing the presets code on Volumizer. |
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| 07:41.31 | Torhal | Whoah. Full-page WAR ad on WoWI. |
| 07:41.49 | Spellbinder | at wowhead too ? :/ |
| 07:41.51 | Cairenn | Torhal: we've been doing skins on the find page for ages |
| 07:41.56 | bleeter | there was some massive advert on WoWWiki earlier too |
| 07:41.58 | End | it's true |
| 07:42.13 | bleeter | can't help but expect Blizz will start saying 'You can't be a fansite if you run adverts for our competition' |
| 07:42.16 | End | also, warhammer dorfs are fatties |
| 07:42.18 | Torhal | Cairenn: Yah, just never expected to see one for WAR there :) |
| 07:42.22 | Cairenn | but it's the only page we do skins on |
| 07:42.34 | Spellbinder | http://www.wowhead.com/ <--- huge ad |
| 07:42.51 | Spellbinder | why is this? is it a virus? |
| 07:42.59 | bleeter | the WoW 'competitors' are buying blocks or something |
| 07:43.01 | Torhal | Heh, same ad as on WoWI. |
| 07:43.18 | Torhal | Meh, WAR is all PvP. COmpletely different animal. |
| 07:43.20 | bleeter | hence my comment above about won't be surprised if blizz start being tougher on fansites |
| 07:43.22 | Spellbinder | lol we are overtaken |
| 07:44.43 | End | what all does being "in" the fansite program do? |
| 07:44.57 | Shirik | gives you a really cool "i'm a fansite!" logo |
| 07:45.13 | cog|sleep | and a bunch of restrictions ;) |
| 07:45.15 | bleeter | and a link inside BLizz's websites |
| 07:45.15 | Shirik | Probably does a lot more than that, but I wouldn't know :) I just do as I'm told |
| 07:45.16 | End | is that it? besides a link from somewhere the WoW.com too :P |
| 07:45.24 | Corrodias | blizzard is going to start commenting on your mom |
| 07:45.27 | End | somewhere on the WoW.com site* |
| 07:45.28 | Corrodias | that'd make me chuckle. |
| 07:45.32 | End | I fail at typing |
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| 07:52.46 | Shirik | Adys: Are you sure? |
| 07:52.55 | Adys | pretty sure yeah |
| 07:52.57 | Adys | (about?) |
| 07:53.01 | Shirik | I'm rethinking that list you gave us yesterday |
| 07:53.08 | Shirik | You said it was "Requires a server action" |
| 07:53.11 | Adys | yep |
| 07:53.17 | Adys | well no |
| 07:53.19 | Shirik | How do you explain that for the CTA ones |
| 07:53.23 | Adys | bg win |
| 07:53.30 | Adys | a server event other than a kill or an object |
| 07:53.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:53.37 | Shirik | now I understand |
| 07:54.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (i=7664cc5f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-43ed0ab0c71f7637) |
| 07:54.20 | Cide | you're fast |
| 07:54.28 | Adys | thats what she said! |
| 07:54.33 | Cide | you're not as fast |
| 07:54.36 | Adys | ~shaggle Cide |
| 07:54.44 | Cide | you're downright slow |
| 07:54.45 | bleeter | um |
| 07:55.23 | bleeter | Adys: do you know what 'shag' is a colloquialism for, in enAU, enNZ, enGB and others? ;) |
| 07:55.38 | End | probably |
| 07:55.43 | Adys | way to ruin it |
| 07:56.39 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 07:56.43 | bleeter | only one thing for it then.... BOOBIES! http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/boobies.jpg |
| 07:56.52 | End | are they blue footed? |
| 07:57.00 | bleeter | mate |
| 07:57.01 | bleeter | FOUR |
| 07:57.01 | End | yes, yes, they are |
| 07:57.05 | bleeter | blue feet.. count them FOUR |
| 07:57.34 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 07:59.26 | End | hm |
| 07:59.33 | End | bleeter has bouncing tits too |
| 07:59.46 | End | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/Bouncing_Tits.gif |
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| 08:00.03 | bleeter | yes I stole my bouncing tits from someone else in here |
| 08:00.08 | bleeter | very bad of me I know |
| 08:00.10 | Tekkub | *sigh* and people are all afraid of the links I post |
| 08:00.15 | Cide | you're bad |
| 08:00.17 | End | lol |
| 08:00.24 | Adys | Tekkub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jybMgaXBJYk |
| 08:00.26 | Spellbinder | i refuse to click |
| 08:00.52 | Spellbinder | thats the parol of my new movement |
| 08:01.14 | Tekkub | Adys, yea that was my link :P |
| 08:01.21 | Adys | dont tell them |
| 08:01.25 | Adys | if im the one linking theyll click |
| 08:02.23 | nevcairiel | haha they show those vids at the central train station here |
| 08:02.51 | Adys | which country? |
| 08:03.00 | nevcairiel | germany |
| 08:03.48 | Tekkub | holy crap another donation |
| 08:04.02 | Tekkub | anti-donation policies are good for business |
| 08:04.11 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:05.20 | cog|sleep | amagawd! ur profiting off addon authors backs ... well, the ones who aren't on your side anyway!! ima sue j00!! |
| 08:05.34 | cog|sleep | :P |
| 08:05.53 | Tekkub | cog, you're such a damn liar |
| 08:05.59 | Zootfizzle | Tekkub exploited me :( |
| 08:06.07 | Adys | ~whaleexploit Zootfizzle |
| 08:06.09 | nevcairiel | yeah, don't tell us you're sleeping when you really are not |
| 08:06.09 | Tekkub | you liked it |
| 08:06.10 | bleeter | oO REPORTED! |
| 08:06.29 | Tekkub | cog, go drama me up some more donations so I won't quit |
| 08:06.45 | End | cog|sleep: your nick is a dirty liar! |
| 08:06.49 | cog|sleep | first thing tomorrow |
| 08:06.54 | cog|sleep | err... today |
| 08:06.58 | cog|sleep | so, third thing... |
| 08:07.03 | cog|sleep | bleh |
| 08:07.04 | bleeter | where's clad? I ain't seen him for a few days |
| 08:07.05 | nevcairiel | Zootfizzle: who do i send cookies to for the vehicle support enhancements in the latest build? :) |
| 08:07.05 | cog|sleep | :P |
| 08:07.11 | bleeter | i'ma ignore cog now |
| 08:07.12 | Tekkub | better hurry, if there's not lunch money in my paypal when I get up I might quit |
| 08:07.13 | cog|sleep | bleeter: he's been around. |
| 08:07.22 | cog|sleep | he's been going by jnwhiteh lately |
| 08:07.25 | bleeter | it's for his own good |
| 08:07.37 | bleeter | if I keep talkiing about cog so he feels the need to reply, but I'm ignoring him |
| 08:07.41 | bleeter | he'll eventually go to bed |
| 08:07.51 | Tekkub | oh yea Zooter, been on the PTR... this "QuestSpecialItem" crap is the sex |
| 08:07.55 | Zootfizzle | nevcairiel: Just share 'em, folks need 'em |
| 08:08.02 | Tekkub | don't have to track items in TourGuide's files anymore... |
| 08:08.06 | cog|sleep | srsly though, i *was* afk getting ready for bed until just now :P |
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| 08:08.10 | Tekkub | granted they're all written into the guides already |
| 08:08.20 | cog|sleep | now i'm actually going to bed |
| 08:08.22 | nevcairiel | for future guides! |
| 08:08.30 | Tekkub | we don't believe you cog |
| 08:08.46 | bleeter | Tekkub: QuestSpecialItem? Does that mean I'll be able to write some bank scanner to identify crap from quests 20 levels ago that's not auto-destroyed on quest completion?? |
| 08:08.56 | Adys | purl: CMD: whalesploit (.*?) is ($n): <action>releases a deadly Haskell insectivorous whale that attempts to find flaws in $n with the help of unreleased tools. |
| 08:08.57 | purl | okay, Adys |
| 08:08.58 | Tekkub | Zoot, one idea for the tracker though... show items that start a quest in it |
| 08:09.02 | Tekkub | people like to miss those |
| 08:09.06 | bleeter | coz I really wanted something like that but couldn't be fucked assembling the list of items |
| 08:09.19 | Tekkub | bleeter, use the new quest tracker |
| 08:09.32 | Wraithan | Ok, been (ab)using the refer-a-friend thing to level my paladin, after seeing how easy it is to get up to the 50-60 range lookin for advice on what to level next, I have 80 shaman, 80 dk, 63 mage, 61 paladin, trying to decide on which of the following to level, warrior, rogue, priest, hunter, warlock |
| 08:09.34 | Tekkub | it'll give you a button to click for quests that use an item |
| 08:09.52 | nevcairiel | yeah that feature is so great .) |
| 08:10.19 | nevcairiel | especially with like every other quest in 3.0 having a quest item |
| 08:10.26 | Adys | bleeter: since a couple of patches, every quest item is flagged as such in the cache, even if they're not provided or required by the quest or similar |
| 08:10.28 | bleeter | Tekkub: ahh, rightio. tbh, I ain't stepped much into the PTR. nothing in the change list compells me to go look, and I'm not getting paid to find undocumented changes so cbf on that front too |
| 08:10.34 | Tekkub | yea, they went friggin overboard |
| 08:10.53 | Tekkub | can't be fucked? |
| 08:10.56 | bleeter | yar |
| 08:11.03 | Tekkub | can't bother to fuck |
| 08:11.23 | Tekkub | craves buttfucking |
| 08:11.26 | Tekkub | there we are |
| 08:11.45 | bleeter | Adys: so an addon such as I describe may be possible? |
| 08:11.55 | Adys | yeah |
| 08:12.10 | Aiiane | in regards to the WAR ads mentioned earlier |
| 08:12.15 | bleeter | should be freakin default UI |
| 08:12.21 | Aiiane | it's not like blizzard wasn't running Wrath ads all over warhammeralliance.com for ages |
| 08:12.25 | bleeter | Adys: so... cbf there either |
| 08:12.27 | Tekkub | well, it is and it isn't |
| 08:12.40 | Tekkub | almost all the items get destroyed |
| 08:12.47 | Adys | yep |
| 08:12.49 | Tekkub | there's a few exceptions |
| 08:12.56 | Tekkub | most of those are grey |
| 08:12.58 | bleeter | DARTOLS ROD OF RP DANCING BEAR SHOP |
| 08:13.01 | Adys | since they're flagged, its to get autodestroyed on quest completion |
| 08:13.01 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 08:13.18 | Adys | bleeter: OH IM A DANCING BEAR, YES IM A DANCING BEAR |
| 08:13.42 | bleeter | I should form a guild <BROWN FURBOLGS CANT DANCE> |
| 08:14.26 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: so how *IS* customised dance moves coming along? :P |
| 08:14.33 | Wraithan | http://www.acronymfinder.com/CBF.html |
| 08:14.43 | Zootfizzle | bleeter: If I knew, I couldn't tell you. |
| 08:14.47 | Wraithan | It most certainly means Cooperative Babtist Fellowship |
| 08:14.50 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: I understand :) |
| 08:14.50 | Tekkub | dances are never gonna happen, and no one will really miss them |
| 08:14.52 | Adys | Zootfizzle is busy dancing |
| 08:15.01 | Zootfizzle | Adys: You have no proof |
| 08:15.04 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: I do, however, have visions of you guys tanked up in the motion capture suite =)) |
| 08:15.05 | Adys | Oh yes I do |
| 08:15.09 | Adys | you're on webcam right now |
| 08:15.11 | Tekkub | the fact that he said some proves that he knows |
| 08:15.14 | Zootfizzle | TEKKUB! |
| 08:15.16 | Tekkub | and that they're not going to happen |
| 08:15.26 | Zootfizzle | Did you sneak another webcam into my house? =/ |
| 08:15.32 | Tekkub | another? |
| 08:15.36 | Tekkub | you found the first? |
| 08:15.51 | Zootfizzle | If this isn't yours, then... |
| 08:16.15 | bleeter | Zootfizzle: If I were you... |
| 08:16.17 | Adys | you know when it's tekkub's and you know when it's not |
| 08:16.17 | bleeter | I'd blame Cide |
| 08:16.29 | NeoTron | Zootfizzle: brave to come here. Kudos. ;-) |
| 08:16.31 | Tekkub | yea if you're asking, it's not |
| 08:16.44 | End | NeoTron: he comes here often, in his rhino suit |
| 08:16.56 | bleeter | and fridge with eggs |
| 08:16.57 | Tekkub | he mostly does one-line drivebys |
| 08:17.00 | Adys | it really isn't zootfizzle |
| 08:17.07 | Adys | its a very sophisticated robot |
| 08:17.15 | End | Adys: no, it's a man in a rhino suit! |
| 08:17.17 | NeoTron | I am aware. We just live in interesting times at the moment. :) |
| 08:17.25 | bleeter | hence why I reported him earler.... BOT! |
| 08:17.36 | Adys | it cant be the real Zootfizzle anyway |
| 08:17.44 | Adys | since the real Zootfizzle is DANCING ON WEBCAM right now |
| 08:17.48 | End | truf |
| 08:18.09 | bleeter | damn they breed them smart these days |
| 08:18.13 | Tekkub | see how he got all quiet? it's him |
| 08:18.16 | Zoot|sweaty | Phew |
| 08:18.16 | bleeter | back in my youf, there'd be no logic such as this |
| 08:18.26 | Zoot|sweaty | Dancing sure is hard work |
| 08:18.33 | Adys | robots dont sweat |
| 08:18.36 | Adys | show yourself demon |
| 08:18.43 | Tekkub | yea you're leaking coolant |
| 08:18.55 | Zoot|sweaty | Maybe I'm played by Haley Joel Osment :( |
| 08:18.57 | Tekkub | "You're leaking coolant at an alarming rate!" |
| 08:19.00 | bleeter | is that a hydraulic ram in your pocket, or are you just happy to scan us? |
| 08:19.56 | Zootfizzle | It's a PocketRam 12000 |
| 08:20.22 | Zootfizzle | Wanna see it? :) |
| 08:20.29 | Adys | *unzips* |
| 08:20.36 | bleeter | I'd rather iTunes started playing The Residents for me! |
| 08:20.39 | Tekkub | you know, if you get this "policy" shit sorted out, we'll all chip in and get you a bigger penis attachment |
| 08:21.06 | bleeter | oO zoot has a groinal attachment like Kryten? |
| 08:21.28 | Tekkub | I was thinking more modern like Bender's |
| 08:21.34 | bleeter | does he whisk milkshakes with it? |
| 08:21.54 | Tekkub | that's not milk |
| 08:22.36 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: I've been spending time with my sister |
| 08:22.41 | jnwhiteh | who was visiting from the states |
| 08:23.07 | Tekkub | "sister" is his code word for cbf |
| 08:23.33 | Adys | ~tekkub++ |
| 08:23.42 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: rawr for visitors, rawr for family visitors. I remember how much it meant to me when I was in another continent :) |
| 08:23.54 | bleeter | admittedly the distances involved were a lot further, but.. yeah cool :) |
| 08:24.20 | bleeter | man, google image search is fail for 'kryten groin attachment' |
| 08:24.35 | Tekkub | yea they never showed it |
| 08:25.27 | bleeter | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/GothicBlackRaven/Red%20Dwarf/KrytenGroinal.jpg |
| 08:25.30 | bleeter | they did |
| 08:25.39 | bleeter | not sure if that image's genuine, though |
| 08:25.40 | Tekkub | well shit |
| 08:26.15 | bleeter | http://www.ladyofthecake.com/reddwarf/assets/images/kryten04.jpg |
| 08:26.15 | Shirik | MUAHAHA |
| 08:26.16 | zenzio | pity, uncyclopedia's only mention of Kryten is through the line "But if there's no Silicon Heaven, where do all the calculators go?" - "Oscar 'Kryten' Wilde" |
| 08:26.16 | bleeter | a bit bigger |
| 08:26.18 | Shirik | 2v15 WSG |
| 08:26.22 | Shirik | or whatever |
| 08:26.23 | Shirik | 2v10? |
| 08:26.27 | Shirik | And we scored |
| 08:27.07 | bleeter | Shirik: not that hard if you work as a team, I agree with the previous commentator (whoever it was) that tenacity needs buffing |
| 08:27.08 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, http://i.gizmodo.com/5181303/colbert-wins-space-race :( |
| 08:27.16 | Cairenn | yeah, I heard that |
| 08:27.33 | bleeter | Tekkub: http://www.ian.trencher.btinternet.co.uk/red311.jpg |
| 08:27.41 | bleeter | ^^ that's the one =)) polymorph episode |
| 08:27.43 | nevcairiel | stupid tv people |
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| 08:27.47 | nevcairiel | serenity was much cooler |
| 08:27.49 | Fisker- | wtf is he doing? |
| 08:27.53 | Thunder_Child | agreed nevcairiel |
| 08:28.31 | Cairenn | hoping NASA exercises their option to not use the "winning" name |
| 08:28.41 | bleeter | Fisker-: http://www.ian.trencher.btinternet.co.uk/Polymorph.HTM |
| 08:28.51 | Cairenn | "NASA may not name the module Colbert after all because they reserved the right to turn down the winner." |
| 08:28.51 | Tekkub | http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/news/2008/03/28/ads-up-to-something-special/ads_up_to_something_kryten_l.jpg |
| 08:29.08 | zenzio | NASA should just keep the Colbert name for the next space-lavatory |
| 08:30.46 | bleeter | nevcairiel: blakes 7 was betterer still.. kinda ;) |
| 08:32.16 | bleeter | cog|sleep: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366703212 |
| 08:33.14 | Adys | you should rename that |
| 08:33.24 | Adys | ZZMacro Guide[DEPRECATED] |
| 08:34.27 | bleeter | sif I can rename it |
| 08:36.23 | haste | Tekkub: red dwarf <3 |
| 08:36.33 | Tekkub | agreed |
| 08:36.45 | nevcairiel | Would it be against the new policy if someone pays me to write an addon, btu the addon is free and public afterwards? =P |
| 08:36.45 | Tekkub | need more bad british scifi |
| 08:37.04 | Tekkub | Who's moved away from "bad" since they revived it |
| 08:37.48 | Adys | nevcairiel: afaiu only paying distribution is forbidden |
| 08:40.48 | bleeter | huh? if anything, dr who's far more cheesy these days. just harder to see 'coz of the higher production values :P |
| 08:41.20 | Adys | bad brit scifi? |
| 08:41.24 | bleeter | US was wanking itself to Star Trek and the thought of universal love between humans and the like in the future |
| 08:41.27 | Adys | since when do brits produce bad stuff? |
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| 08:41.33 | bleeter | UK was looking at some Orwell type future |
| 08:41.56 | bleeter | I know which one I'd consider bad :P |
| 08:42.01 | Tekkub | yea, who's maintained the "cheesey", but the better special effects kinda negate that |
| 08:42.18 | Tekkub | they're sposda be cheap effects :P |
| 08:42.32 | bleeter | terry nation's stories, though... like... wow |
| 08:43.10 | Tekkub | you could always tell when RTD wrote them |
| 08:43.11 | bleeter | only folks who've come close I think have been JMS and Whedon |
| 08:43.15 | Tekkub | then sucked >< |
| 08:43.15 | bleeter | but never touched |
| 08:43.38 | Tekkub | *sigh* I miss B5 |
| 08:43.50 | Tekkub | and Dollhouse, it might actually pick up now |
| 08:44.03 | Tekkub | those first few eps were kinda.... *snore* |
| 08:44.19 | End | I think Dollhouse has promise, but we'll see |
| 08:44.21 | bleeter | on the subject of TN, I should try and track down Survivors |
| 08:44.28 | Tekkub | when 20 minutes in you're asking if the show's over yet.. not good |
| 08:44.36 | bleeter | the TN scripts that DNA worked on were dang cool, too |
| 08:44.58 | Tekkub | the last ep was good, less of the "a new fantasy this week" and more real plot |
| 08:45.06 | bleeter | DESTINY OF THE DALEKS pewpewpew |
| 08:45.21 | Tekkub | plus, well, patton oswalt is cute |
| 08:48.36 | bleeter | Tekkub: btw, I have a Bab5 mousemat from the abandoned game >< |
| 08:48.57 | Shirik | Okay, someone explain this to me |
| 08:49.03 | Thunder_Child | well |
| 08:49.06 | Thunder_Child | babies come from |
| 08:49.08 | Adys | its a problem with your comma |
| 08:49.10 | Thunder_Child | when a mother |
| 08:49.10 | Shirik | Java has a JPassword which is the little text field with *s or whatever so it's hidden |
| 08:49.26 | Shirik | They also have the normal text field that shows what you type |
| 08:49.28 | bleeter | Adys: no it's a problem with your apostrophe |
| 08:49.35 | Tekkub | why JPassword and not just Password |
| 08:49.41 | Tekkub | what does the J add? |
| 08:49.44 | Shirik | the normal text field has a method, getText(), which gives you what's been entered into it |
| 08:49.47 | bleeter | java.. dog |
| 08:49.49 | bleeter | doh |
| 08:49.50 | bleeter | bah |
| 08:49.51 | Adys | bleeter: you're mom is a problem with apostrophes |
| 08:50.01 | Shirik | The password text field has getText() also |
| 08:50.05 | bleeter | Adys: and in English? |
| 08:50.09 | Shirik | But it's marked DEPRECATED "for security reasons" |
| 08:50.15 | Shirik | and it says use getPassword() instead |
| 08:50.18 | Shirik | Which does the EXACT SAME THING |
| 08:50.24 | Shirik | What are these "security reasons" they're talking about |
| 08:50.25 | Tekkub | or does it |
| 08:50.28 | Adys | bleeter: forming babby in your base :( |
| 08:50.37 | zenzio | are you sure they literally do the exact same thing? |
| 08:50.39 | nevcairiel | Shirik: did you look at the exact implementation? :) |
| 08:50.55 | Shirik | I only can do black box testing, obviously |
| 08:51.10 | Shirik | Name one suggestion of something that might be a "security concern" |
| 08:51.11 | zenzio | then I choose to believe they knew what they were doing when they wrote that |
| 08:52.29 | bleeter | omg |
| 08:53.22 | bleeter | Based on popular feedback, we are temporarily removing the requirement to use an authenticator when logging into either the Armory or the forums |
| 08:53.22 | bleeter | lawl |
| 08:53.22 | nevcairiel | that was mighty annoying |
| 08:53.22 | Shirik | feedback by hackers or something? |
| 08:53.22 | bleeter | must be, Shirik |
| 08:53.37 | bleeter | prolly feedback by the people causing all these 'OMG BATTLE.NET CAUSE MY ACCOUNT TO BE HACKED!' |
| 08:54.00 | Adys | BUT IT DOES |
| 08:54.00 | nevcairiel | more feedback by the people being annoyed by typing in the authenticator key all the time |
| 08:54.25 | Shirik | Kinda like how you have to type it into WoW all the time |
| 08:54.31 | Shirik | what the hell's the difference |
| 08:54.36 | Shirik | if you don't want it DON'T GET ONE |
| 08:54.44 | Tekkub | I can understand the armory |
| 08:54.52 | nevcairiel | for me the forums enver remember my login |
| 08:54.56 | nevcairiel | so i have to type it in all the time |
| 08:55.01 | Tekkub | but not the forums, you want someone spamming goldseller ads if they get your account :P |
| 08:55.12 | Shirik | why would you log into the armory? |
| 08:55.16 | bleeter | or just yer li'l brother or some crap |
| 08:55.18 | Tekkub | never log onto the forums, problem solved |
| 08:55.24 | Tekkub | many problems solved actually |
| 08:55.25 | nevcairiel | Shirik: to look into your guild bank |
| 08:55.29 | Shirik | you can do that? |
| 08:55.31 | bleeter | I wonder if the forums were still side-jackable |
| 08:55.41 | Tekkub | bank and calendar |
| 08:55.41 | bleeter | when they had the auth |
| 08:55.46 | zenzio | Shirik: http://blogs.oracle.com/duffblog/2005/06/why_is_jpasswordfieldgettext_d.html |
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| 08:56.17 | bleeter | Shirik: you can also view your guild's calendar from the armory |
| 08:56.33 | Shirik | hm, ok zenzelezz |
| 08:56.35 | Shirik | zenzio |
| 08:56.40 | nevcairiel | that makes sense, actually |
| 08:56.40 | Shirik | I guess that makes sense |
| 08:56.58 | Shirik | I would, however, like to see how many people actually do something like |
| 08:57.06 | nevcairiel | the 0'ing? |
| 08:57.06 | Shirik | new String(passwordField.getPassword()) |
| 08:57.08 | nevcairiel | probably none |
| 08:57.18 | Shirik | making that completely useless :P |
| 08:57.35 | zenzio | yeah, but it allows Sun to say "at least we did our job" |
| 08:57.36 | Tekkub | the fact that that's aparently not documented well kinda negates the security they're trying to encourage :P |
| 08:57.43 | Shirik | true zenzio |
| 08:57.56 | Shirik | I agree with Tekkub, here. Usually they do tell you why in these sort of cases. |
| 08:58.01 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: only because shirik didnt find the docs does'nt mean anything :) |
| 08:58.04 | Shirik | They should specify exactly what "security concerns" they were discussing |
| 08:58.11 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Except I was quoting the docs |
| 08:58.17 | Shirik | This is some random blog on Oracle's site |
| 08:58.30 | Tekkub | well I like to believe Shirik is at least capable of checking the docs before bitching that he doesn't get it |
| 08:58.45 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:58.56 | Shirik | What I said is EXACTLY what's in the docs: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/javax/swing/JPasswordField.html#getText() |
| 08:59.02 | Shirik | "For security reasons, this method is deprecated. Use the * getPassword method instead." |
| 08:59.29 | nevcairiel | Well if you read the docs of getPassword right after that |
| 08:59.32 | nevcairiel | it might make sense |
| 08:59.44 | nevcairiel | of course thats now knowing the reason :/ |
| 09:00.03 | Shirik | all it says is set them to zero |
| 09:00.49 | Shirik | I mean, in actuality, I don't really care for that security precaution |
| 09:00.56 | Shirik | and went with configuration.setPassword(new String(password.getPassword())); |
| 09:01.02 | Shirik | But I can see their justification for having it there |
| 09:01.05 | Shirik | for applications that may be concerned |
| 09:01.13 | bleeter | hahaha someone's posted the ACMA blacklist to the blizz forums =)) |
| 09:01.15 | bleeter | ahahahahahahahaha |
| 09:01.17 | bleeter | hahahahaha |
| 09:01.26 | bleeter | hahaahahahahaha |
| 09:01.59 | Thunder_Child | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/03/custom_1237828559967_periodic_table_controllers_med.jpg |
| 09:02.26 | Tekkub | what's this now? |
| 09:02.53 | nevcairiel | those custom periodic table thingys seem to be "in" lately |
| 09:03.07 | Shirik | yeah, and incredibly stupid, nevcairiel |
| 09:03.08 | Shirik | imo |
| 09:03.21 | Shirik | Like, there's a reason the periodic table is shaped like that |
| 09:03.32 | Shirik | for most of these things, they just rank them from 1 to 150 or whatever and put them in the same shape |
| 09:03.35 | nevcairiel | some guy liked it that way, clearly |
| 09:03.35 | Shirik | and that's it |
| 09:05.01 | Shirik | so bleeter |
| 09:05.05 | Shirik | does anyone know how that leak came about? |
| 09:05.09 | bleeter | yeah |
| 09:05.18 | bleeter | someone decompiled a government approved software client side filter |
| 09:05.41 | bleeter | think the intructions are on wikileaks |
| 09:05.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 09:05.55 | Shirik | so |
| 09:05.57 | cncfanatics | bleeter: giefv links ? :p |
| 09:06.06 | Shirik | another case of "I stored data inside executable, nobody can see it!" |
| 09:06.07 | Shirik | ? |
| 09:06.18 | bleeter | Shirik: what's really funny about it now, is that even the moron luddites in the opposition parties have finally understood P2P |
| 09:06.24 | bleeter | cncfanatics: wikileaks.org |
| 09:06.36 | bleeter | Shirik: pretty much |
| 09:06.58 | Shirik | I really wish people who dealt with security would LEARN SECURITY PRACTICES |
| 09:07.14 | Shirik | Like the morons that made the xbox |
| 09:07.25 | Shirik | They had a security team that made a million security mistake |
| 09:07.28 | bleeter | Shirik: preaching to the choir here, mate |
| 09:07.31 | bleeter | and you know it! :P |
| 09:07.35 | Shirik | :/ |
| 09:08.04 | Shirik | so posted to Blizz forums huh? |
| 09:08.28 | bleeter | gunna retest the authenticator stuff again tomorrow |
| 09:08.38 | bleeter | it's still advertised as 'one-time' |
| 09:08.52 | bleeter | need to find a bunch of people with authenticators whove' been hacked and start up class lawsuit >< |
| 09:09.06 | bleeter | Shirik: yar, in General =)) |
| 09:09.37 | krka | Shirik: the security reason is probably to accidently mix them up with JTextField or something |
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| 09:11.10 | nevcairiel | we actually figured the real reason out, krka |
| 09:11.20 | nevcairiel | http://blogs.oracle.com/duffblog/2005/06/why_is_jpasswordfieldgettext_d.html |
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| 09:12.03 | Wobin | Tekkub: Hey Tekk, is there an issue with the Howling Fjord Tourguide? |
| 09:12.14 | DWSR | When do arena points get distributed? |
| 09:12.23 | Tekkub | mu? |
| 09:13.14 | Wobin | It's all commented out =( |
| 09:13.30 | Wobin | And I get an 'Unknown Action' if I put it in |
| 09:13.30 | Tekkub | mu |
| 09:14.15 | haste | µ |
| 09:14.26 | Tekkub | haste gets it |
| 09:15.42 | nevcairiel | I even have that key on my keyboard, for some arcane reason |
| 09:16.06 | nevcairiel | and for some even more arcane reason, pressing it opens som nvidia performance monitor |
| 09:17.57 | Wobin | Damnit, I can't do without Tourguide =( |
| 09:18.00 | haste | I have lots of odd stuff on my keyboard :( |
| 09:18.27 | DWSR | When do arena points get distributed? |
| 09:18.36 | nevcairiel | usually in maintenance |
| 09:19.08 | DWSR | k |
| 09:19.15 | DWSR | is this week only restarts or full maintenance? |
| 09:19.37 | haste | both? |
| 09:19.51 | Aznamir | US full 5-11am |
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| 09:25.47 | DWSR | shifted a bit, isn't it? |
| 09:26.56 | Shirik | Okay |
| 09:27.03 | DWSR | oh wow, Grounding totem ate 2 of my spells just now. |
| 09:27.06 | Shirik | most guilds raid or something to occupy their time |
| 09:27.06 | DWSR | That's fucking stupid. |
| 09:27.16 | Shirik | some do pvp, some just do "get-togethers" |
| 09:27.31 | Shirik | my guild, right now, is trying to kill every rhino in a zone simultaneously |
| 09:27.36 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 09:27.36 | DWSR | rofl |
| 09:27.47 | zenzio | which zone? The Barrens? |
| 09:27.57 | Shirik | Scholazar Basin |
| 09:28.28 | Shirik | mind you they are actually all being killed by one person |
| 09:29.10 | Thunder_Child | Not Found (aka 404) |
| 09:29.10 | Thunder_Child | You're looking for something that does not, has not, will not, might not or must not exist ... |
| 09:29.10 | Thunder_Child | ... but you're always welcome to search for it. |
| 09:29.23 | nevcairiel | nice 404 |
| 09:29.34 | Thunder_Child | piratebays 404 |
| 09:30.03 | nevcairiel | omfg it started snowing again |
| 09:30.04 | nevcairiel | wtf is this |
| 09:30.11 | DWSR | where are you? |
| 09:30.12 | Thunder_Child | sounds like win :( |
| 09:30.16 | Thunder_Child | i want snow |
| 09:30.20 | DWSR | me too |
| 09:30.25 | nevcairiel | its nearly april ffs, i want summer |
| 09:30.26 | Thunder_Child | yes Shirik, i just got that from piratebay, ty |
| 09:31.24 | Shirik | Sorry, I was wrong, zenzio |
| 09:31.31 | Shirik | they were doing the rhinos in Borean Tundra |
| 09:31.37 | Shirik | They had moved for whatever reason |
| 09:31.48 | Shirik | "About 20 groups of 5" |
| 09:32.01 | zenzio | it makes sense then; they're all part of the Nessingwary conspiracy |
| 09:32.21 | Shirik | rofl, he got 33k dps |
| 09:35.22 | Shirik | Ace2 is EVIL |
| 09:35.33 | Shirik | It causes java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBoundsException: String index out of range: 10 |
| 09:35.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:35.49 | krka | nevcairiel: ah char[] of course, i wonder how that messes up passwords with utf-8 characters if you're not being careful enough |
| 09:36.04 | nevcairiel | thats true |
| 09:36.06 | Shirik | krka: char is UTF-8 safe, no? |
| 09:36.09 | Shirik | char is not 1 byte |
| 09:36.15 | krka | char is 2 bytes |
| 09:36.26 | krka | and java stores in utf-16 or something similar enough |
| 09:36.33 | krka | actually, i just meant unicode |
| 09:37.11 | Thunder_Child | LUA |
| 09:37.15 | Thunder_Child | nah |
| 09:37.15 | Kalroth | :D |
| 09:37.20 | Thunder_Child | s/n/b/ |
| 09:37.24 | krka | Thunder_Child: Lua is not an acronym. :-D |
| 09:37.28 | Thunder_Child | to late |
| 09:37.55 | nevcairiel | his script seems to have a delay that mimics real typing speed |
| 09:37.59 | krka | the problem is if people use new String(char[]) and don't specify encoding |
| 09:38.26 | krka | nevcairiel: it's not a script, i'm just really unimaginative |
| 09:38.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:40.33 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, no i have seen it almost instant |
| 09:40.44 | krka | chat log or it didnt happen |
| 09:40.56 | Thunder_Child | you chat log it |
| 09:41.07 | Thunder_Child | it was you with a '_' |
| 09:41.58 | Fisker- | the new Killer NIC murders your wife |
| 09:42.05 | DWSR | lol is it good? |
| 09:42.06 | Kalroth | Reiser NIC? |
| 09:42.14 | Thunder_Child | fail NIC |
| 09:42.24 | Kalroth | Fisker NIC? |
| 09:42.32 | Fisker- | http://techreport.com/r.x/2009q1/xeno_il.jpg <-it'll even tell you when it's MURDERING your wife |
| 09:43.04 | nevcairiel | can i control the timing, too? |
| 09:43.09 | Fisker- | with it's built-in BLING bar |
| 09:43.15 | Thunder_Child | NIC enchancments is like a penis enhancment that doesnt work when you have an erection |
| 09:44.05 | Fisker- | but it has a bling bar |
| 09:44.28 | Thunder_Child | so does my penis, doesnt mean it helps |
| 09:49.44 | jnwhiteh | is Zygor still being distributed with TomTom? |
| 09:49.59 | jnwhiteh | or are the people reporting it looking at the older versions on TBP |
| 09:54.49 | bleeter | did someone mention penis size?? wget http://users.on.net/~bleeter/vpenis.c && gcc -Wall -o vpenis `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` vpenis.c && ./vpenis |
| 09:55.09 | bleeter | my penis is currently nonexistant for I have no X |
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| 09:55.23 | zenzio | bleeter: I didn't know your penis had external dependencies |
| 09:55.39 | bleeter | zenzio: you'd better believe it mate ;) |
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| 10:01.46 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, his hand is the priamry |
| 10:01.52 | Thunder_Child | primary* |
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| 10:04.18 | bleeter | zenzio: http://www.ian.trencher.btinternet.co.uk/red311.jpg |
| 10:04.50 | bleeter | if we're gunna talk about penis dependancies, may as well repost the red dwarf pic |
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| 10:12.13 | jnwhiteh | Was anyone here at 1am GMT when Dark_Elf was saying that LightHeaded would have to change too? |
| 10:12.18 | jnwhiteh | Tryign to figure out what he was talking about |
| 10:17.27 | bleeter | it's prolly in my scrollback, but I gotta go eat |
| 10:17.36 | bleeter | hey, quick question tho... |
| 10:17.57 | bleeter | should one consider as 'made it' when one's getting invited by all and sundry big guilds on the server to go join them? |
| 10:18.00 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh, whats 1am in hours? |
| 10:18.03 | bleeter | or just that yes they are all stupid |
| 10:18.56 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: 'bout 9 hours ago, I think |
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| 10:19.46 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: got it |
| 10:19.48 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh, lol "Dark_Elf: since addons cant advertise, i would think wowhead logo would have to go" |
| 10:19.51 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: wowhead logo inside addons |
| 10:20.08 | Thunder_Child | thats not an advert however |
| 10:20.13 | jnwhiteh | no, it's not |
| 10:20.14 | jnwhiteh | its attribution |
| 10:21.21 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: so when you do your PhD, will your attributions all be in coroporate logos, or text? ;) |
| 10:21.45 | bleeter | just trying to play devils advocate |
| 10:21.57 | jnwhiteh | there will be no attributions in my thesis |
| 10:22.01 | jnwhiteh | not sure what you're trying to say |
| 10:23.01 | bleeter | ok |
| 10:23.06 | bleeter | in the books you've written |
| 10:23.22 | bleeter | your bibliographies, when you mention publishers, do you use their logo or text? |
| 10:23.37 | bleeter | as I say, just trying to play devil's advocate |
| 10:23.43 | jnwhiteh | I don't see why that is relevant |
| 10:24.21 | jnwhiteh | logo versus text doesn't matter |
| 10:24.31 | jnwhiteh | either it is an advertisement, or it isn't.. the medium doesn't change that |
| 10:24.43 | bleeter | ok, let's try another tack... imagine if the attribute was to MacDonalds, and you put the yellow arches in. Might it not be perceived by some as an advert. |
| 10:25.28 | jnwhiteh | if McDonalds was providing me with the information that makes the addon even remotely possible.. then I don't know. |
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| 10:26.12 | bleeter | 'coz maccas will certainly sue for improper usage of the arches, brand identity and all, profits etc. etc. |
| 10:26.27 | bleeter | i'm just trying to express my feeling that I think it's a little gray |
| 10:26.48 | jnwhiteh | it is grey |
| 10:26.54 | bleeter | I know you're merely attributing, but in the current climate I wouldn't necessarily bet my house on Blizz seeing it the same way |
| 10:26.55 | jnwhiteh | but the addon exists only due to wowhead |
| 10:27.12 | bleeter | yar |
| 10:27.18 | jnwhiteh | and unlike the other addons that pull from wowhead |
| 10:27.21 | jnwhiteh | I'm actually good enough to say so |
| 10:27.24 | krka | i think the spelling of gray is a grey area |
| 10:27.26 | jnwhiteh | they just do it and pretend its all their own data |
| 10:27.27 | bleeter | mmmhmmm i dunno, was just playing advocate... trying to |
| 10:27.34 | bleeter | i think dinner's sounding more interesting tho |
| 10:27.37 | bleeter | nothing personal :) |
| 10:28.04 | jnwhiteh | grey/gray are both acceptable |
| 10:28.05 | jnwhiteh | no I understand |
| 10:28.08 | jnwhiteh | its a good question, and I dont know the answer |
| 10:28.18 | jnwhiteh | considering clicking that box pops up MY copyright message, and text saying that the data comes from wowhead |
| 10:28.30 | jnwhiteh | I do not consider it an advertisement |
| 10:28.30 | jnwhiteh | Logo, text, whatever |
| 10:28.32 | bleeter | it's worthy of a mail to Blizz, on behalf of all of us, and prolly WoWhead... |
| 10:28.38 | bleeter | if can |
| 10:29.01 | jnwhiteh | oh I indeed to get clarification |
| 10:29.10 | Shirik | I tend to use grey |
| 10:29.11 | jnwhiteh | don't worry about that =) |
| 10:29.16 | Shirik | However |
| 10:29.19 | Shirik | Word always yells at me for grey |
| 10:29.21 | Shirik | it thinks it's not a word |
| 10:29.41 | bleeter | I try and tune grey/gray colour/color for the audience |
| 10:30.02 | bleeter | what DOES piss me off is programming languages who don't synonym them as keywords |
| 10:30.17 | bleeter | i'm like.. wtf.. it's not ... rocket.. surgery |
| 10:30.53 | Shirik | huh? |
| 10:33.09 | batrick | shirik y r u still awake |
| 10:33.45 | Shirik | I'm busy |
| 10:35.03 | nevcairiel | you can be busy all you want after waking up |
| 10:35.38 | jnwhiteh | alright, gotta get off the train and head to my flat, bbiab |
| 11:05.34 | Wobin | =( |
| 11:05.38 | Wobin | 70 hunter |
| 11:05.42 | Wobin | 300dps |
| 11:05.47 | Wobin | why so much fail? =( |
| 11:07.07 | zenzio | he forgot to train Auto Shot |
| 11:07.14 | Shirik | ok night |
| 11:07.20 | Wobin | 50% of his damage was... |
| 11:07.22 | Wobin | Volley |
| 11:07.54 | zenzio | don't worry Wobin, you'll learn the tricks soon |
| 11:08.07 | Wobin | My dps was double his >< |
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| 11:38.29 | Aelobin | hai :> |
| 11:38.55 | Jamash | sup folks |
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| 12:31.40 | Cide | moo |
| 12:32.24 | bleeter | Baaaa |
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| 12:53.39 | Cide | hi |
| 12:53.40 | jnwhiteh | heyas Cide =) |
| 12:53.42 | jnwhiteh | wb |
| 12:53.57 | Cide | thanks |
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| 12:54.13 | Cide | really slow wifi here :/ |
| 12:54.28 | jnwhiteh | i've been on mobile broadband all weekend, its sad =( |
| 12:54.30 | jnwhiteh | but better than nothing |
| 12:54.38 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cide. |
| 12:55.01 | Cide | morning! |
| 12:55.05 | nevcairiel | at least you had mobile *broad*band .. :) |
| 12:55.34 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 12:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls her eyes* |
| 12:56.37 | nevcairiel | Where i live i can be happy to get GPRS, UMTS .. in the citys maybe =P |
| 12:57.03 | jnwhiteh | well its just UMTS |
| 13:04.17 | Lopeppeppy | I am happy to have any part of your alphabet soup. <.< |
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| 13:05.45 | Aelobin | is there any way i can use setfenv to create an environment for some variables, but not others |
| 13:09.54 | jnwhiteh | I'm not really sure what you mean,.. Aelobin |
| 13:09.57 | jnwhiteh | could you be more specific? |
| 13:10.54 | Aelobin | i'm not sure i know myself <_> |
| 13:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | *pok* |
| 13:11.07 | jnwhiteh | start by telling us what you want to do |
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| 13:11.10 | jnwhiteh | not how you want to do it =) |
| 13:12.35 | Aelobin | i wanna do some loadstrings() where the global variables have their own environment |
| 13:12.48 | jnwhiteh | variables cannot have environments |
| 13:13.25 | jnwhiteh | If you want to do a loadstring where you can "protect" certain things.. then yes you can do that (kind of) with setfenv |
| 13:13.25 | Aelobin | i mean |
| 13:13.32 | jnwhiteh | you're still telling us how you want to implement it |
| 13:13.42 | jnwhiteh | what basic application are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:13.45 | Aelobin | when i do loadstring, it'll return a function |
| 13:13.50 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 13:13.50 | Aelobin | and i wanna use setfenv on that function |
| 13:13.54 | jnwhiteh | okay |
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| 13:26.14 | Kraps | http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/03/23/warrior-changes-in-patch-3-1-ptr-build-9722/ |
| 13:26.23 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.53 | bleeter | Wowinsider is shit |
| 13:26.58 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.58 | Lopeppeppy | *shrug* |
| 13:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's still a PTR build, nothing's final, what's to discuss? Crunch numbers and post them in the PTR forum for Bliz to see and take into account. |
| 13:27.34 | Kraps | i.e. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864259618&sid=1 |
| 13:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | Report that post, end of story. Hate leads to suffering. |
| 13:28.20 | bleeter | report the whole bloody thread lol |
| 13:29.10 | bleeter | bah screw it |
| 13:29.22 | bleeter | why the FUCK do I keep doing Blizz's fucking work for them |
| 13:31.28 | Kraps | <---prot warrior *shrug* |
| 13:31.57 | Kraps | although i'll go arms pvp after dual specs |
| 13:32.09 | Kraps | i mean my second spec |
| 13:32.30 | bleeter | I might just throw a complaint about the gambling policies of blizz in acma's direction too >< |
| 13:32.37 | bleeter | yes, new postit... |
| 13:32.52 | Kraps | gambling policies? |
| 13:33.18 | bleeter | casinos are legal on WoW US, within certain rules |
| 13:33.33 | Kraps | still dont get it |
| 13:33.35 | bleeter | I personally claim that said rules are not restrictive enough so as to not fall foul of .au gambling laws |
| 13:33.39 | Lopeppeppy | What is an ACMA? |
| 13:33.56 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: don't you follow wikileaks? :P |
| 13:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | Gambling is prohibited in WoW, Kraps. |
| 13:33.59 | Kraps | theres casinos in WoW?! |
| 13:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | No, I guess I don't, bleeter. |
| 13:34.16 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: not on US server, Lopeppeppy. casinos are fine. |
| 13:34.27 | bleeter | they changed policy a month or so ago |
| 13:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | Did they? Interesting. *gentle shrug* |
| 13:34.41 | Kraps | II wow or ON wow? |
| 13:34.45 | Kraps | IN |
| 13:35.06 | Aelobin | lol at the lvl 1s who say "give me 100g, roll higher than 65 and i give you 200g back" |
| 13:35.14 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: yeah, another one of their stealth changes we're meant to be able to tell happen |
| 13:35.23 | Lopeppeppy | You have ze links, bleeter? I like to read up and know these things. |
| 13:35.35 | Kraps | who gambles on wow? |
| 13:35.44 | Lopeppeppy | Bored stupid people |
| 13:35.45 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: in your green status, if you ever find a way we can keep track of policy changes without having to read them ALL each and every patch day, I'll love you eternally |
| 13:35.47 | krka | better to gamble in wow than irl :P |
| 13:36.03 | bleeter | not that I don't love you forever already, you understand ;) |
| 13:36.08 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: sure.. moment |
| 13:36.09 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs* |
| 13:36.27 | Wraithan | Aelobin: that used to be immensely popular in EQ |
| 13:36.36 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864449243&pageNo=1&sid=1#8 |
| 13:36.46 | alestane | bleeter: Run the ToS and EULA through diff? |
| 13:36.58 | bleeter | alestane: nah, policy changes aren't presented via the game |
| 13:37.01 | Kraps | you mean like "lets duel, if i win u pay me, if you win i pay you"? |
| 13:37.16 | bleeter | alestane: each time the ToS/EULA is presented, one technically has to go off to the policy docs, download and do a diff on them |
| 13:37.25 | bleeter | just assinine |
| 13:37.34 | bleeter | blizz can't even fucking email me that a fucking policy has changed |
| 13:38.01 | Kraps | or "100g says we wont clear arachnid and plague on 25 tonight"? :D |
| 13:38.03 | alestane | I've always agreed that some way of highlighting the portions that had been changed since last time would be hugely helpful, at the very least. |
| 13:38.06 | bleeter | just another fucking Obvious SUggestion Is Obvious that goes into Suggestion and bites the bit bucket |
| 13:38.23 | zenzio | all this casino talk made me think of http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20050221 |
| 13:38.25 | bleeter | and I'm fucking sick and tired of OSIS... not as if I get paid |
| 13:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. No idea when it changed, either. *sigh* |
| 13:38.49 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: remember the name policy change? |
| 13:38.54 | bleeter | no one noticed that, too |
| 13:39.22 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, wait... the prohibitions against them were always enforced as "spamming and advertising"... |
| 13:39.30 | bleeter | stealth changes like that cause months of grief on CSF, and no doubt in game.. yet the obvious thing, a bit of sed and grep, is beyond them |
| 13:39.54 | zenzio | "sed" is not obvious |
| 13:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | So I can see what they're saying, technically it was never the casinos or gambling that was prevented, but the advertising and spamming and scamming.... |
| 13:40.40 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: compare... http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/scam.html |
| 13:40.46 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: casino is explicitly mentioned |
| 13:41.14 | bleeter | and in fact, that policy would appear to be the old US policy |
| 13:41.22 | bleeter | IE, all casinos are considered a scam |
| 13:41.36 | bleeter | I know Blizz EU is not US, but interesting nevertheless |
| 13:42.21 | Kraps | huh, i think i'll use this line and piss people off thursday "100g says we wont clear arachnid and plague on 25 tonight" |
| 13:42.37 | Kraps | prolly get gkicked :D |
| 13:43.13 | bleeter | Kraps: instead of 100g, use a trading game card loot reward and stuff, legally, can get *MIGHTY* interesting |
| 13:43.48 | bleeter | 'coz it starts coming down to value of virtual items, and there's a whole bucket of caselaw there waiting to be waded through that no one's touched yet |
| 13:43.55 | Kraps | i dont have any of those :/ |
| 13:44.21 | Aelobin | lol we get loot card scammers on our realm too |
| 13:44.21 | Kraps | you a lawyer? |
| 13:44.21 | bleeter | prolly don't want to gamble for one either, not worth the risks all round |
| 13:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | Am I seriously in the minority, that all of the negativity is making me sick? I haven't been able to hang out in here much the last few days because it gives me headaches. |
| 13:44.52 | bleeter | I spent a large amount of time working for gambling/gaming companies in various jurisdictions. |
| 13:45.05 | Kraps | cool |
| 13:45.27 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I get that from time to time, I think it's a natural phase every now and then. don't stress, walk away. tell me to shut up, etc. :P |
| 13:45.28 | Fisker- | EU kinda sucks |
| 13:45.35 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: my guild id worse :p |
| 13:45.40 | Kraps | is |
| 13:45.50 | Fisker- | for example; If someone screwed up their rep (Rep that cannot be mended by npc's etc.) they will help you in the US |
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| 13:46.07 | Fisker- | in the EU they will tell you to go post on the suggestion forums to have a npc to restore their rep |
| 13:46.16 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: let's make our own club where we don't speak of the changes |
| 13:46.20 | Fisker- | Same with scamming, took them ages to adopt the US policy |
| 13:46.21 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 13:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, I logged into my home realm and got pounce-kicked by a good 50+ whispers in the few minutes I was logged on. at least you guys are people I like and aren't blaming me directly... but ugh. |
| 13:46.43 | Kraps | rofl |
| 13:47.01 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: what? BLAME YOU??? LET ME AT THEM! I'll sort 'em out! |
| 13:48.41 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 13:48.42 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 13:48.47 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, bleeter. I'm green, it's all my fault. |
| 13:48.49 | bleeter | hmmm I need a version of that for going to bed |
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| 13:49.13 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: that's stupid. we all know who to blame. |
| 13:49.17 | bleeter | Cide! |
| 13:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | Canada! |
| 13:50.09 | bleeter | nonono Cide.. try 'canada' without the 'n' to start with.. we can work on the 'i' bit later ;) |
| 13:50.26 | Lopeppeppy | caaada? |
| 13:52.51 | Legorol | wow, what happened to wowhead |
| 13:52.58 | Legorol | they got a big ad on their opening page |
| 13:53.11 | Legorol | that is so uncool, i liked the simplicity of their opening page :( |
| 13:54.16 | Kraps | anyway a really stupid thing happened. it turned out that our guilds second naxx group last week was almost all the new/undergeared people. as a matter of pride at our suckiness ( :p ) the group leader decided we would call ourselves "team b" and it was pretty funny. then a guildy who was not even in our group got all pissy and was complaining that its not right to split into "teams" like... |
| 13:54.17 | Kraps | ...that yadda yadd yadda,, and no matter how many times we said it was a joke it didnt help, he took his 2 chars out and the gms ordered us to stop |
| 13:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, Kraps, coming from experience.... Team A versus Team B destroys a raiding group. |
| 13:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | Immediately start mising those rosters, or it will haunt you for the rest of your life. |
| 13:55.18 | bleeter | Legorol: WAR have been buying up a lot of WoW Fansite advert space recently |
| 13:55.31 | Kraps | the gms made it clear that we would rotate :/ |
| 13:55.44 | bleeter | Legorol: I wonder if Blizz Legal will get pissy at WAR making a profit from WoW's success >< |
| 13:56.58 | Legorol | bleeter: now you are just bieng a conspiracy theorist |
| 13:57.28 | Legorol | in this whole UI policy thing, Blizz never once said that they are annoyed at people making profit from WoW when they charge for AddOns |
| 13:57.50 | Legorol | if they were annoyed at making profit from addons, why would they allow (heck even encourage) donation links on your site? |
| 13:59.13 | krka | i dont get it |
| 13:59.21 | Beladona | I thinkthe policy is meant to cause a new world war, thereby sparking armageddon |
| 13:59.27 | Beladona | CONSPIRACY! |
| 13:59.33 | krka | why have a policy against selling addons if they're annoyed at profits? |
| 13:59.40 | krka | *if they're _not_ |
| 14:00.03 | Lopeppeppy | ARMAGEDDON! |
| 14:00.13 | Wraithan | Why bother discussing it here, take it to blizz's doorstep |
| 14:00.17 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: those are new "skin" ads, they apparently provide quite more revenue than the other type, and companies seem to be asking for them more frequently. Temporary of course =) |
| 14:00.24 | Wraithan | This is all just the same argument over and over and over |
| 14:00.56 | Beladona | old arguments are old. I want something new. It is maintenance tuesday, where are all the drama threads? |
| 14:01.04 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: i can see how they provide more revenue, and temporary? yeah right |
| 14:01.23 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: wowi and wowhead have both had them before, and they have limited runs, so yes.. temporary =) |
| 14:01.51 | nevcairiel | its that kind of ads that adblockers usually don't get |
| 14:01.56 | nevcairiel | thats why companys like them now |
| 14:02.10 | jnwhiteh | well that and they aren't limited to a tiny block of info |
| 14:02.13 | jnwhiteh | from that perspective, they're nice :P |
| 14:02.18 | bleeter | Legorol: briefly, 'coz I really am going to bed, I'm fairly certain that the EULA/ToS bans you from making any $ whatsoever from the game. That it's taken this long for the issue to bubble is the surpise, not the existance of the issue at all. |
| 14:02.20 | jnwhiteh | and normally they don't look too terrible =) |
| 14:02.26 | Legorol | sounds smart, sounds in-my-face, sounds like i don't like them |
| 14:02.34 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:02.38 | nevcairiel | Yeah they are not as annoying as some random banner, because they merge with the page |
| 14:02.46 | Kraps | need help with Dominoes, how do i fit all the damn abilities and not block half of the screen? |
| 14:02.57 | cog|sleep | Beladona: the drama threads are all there... the servers just blow is all :P |
| 14:03.01 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: there is a line when stuff stops being "from teh game" |
| 14:03.04 | jnwhiteh | they have 0 issue with our book |
| 14:03.20 | Legorol | speaking of wowhead, is it just me, or do they have some trick on their opening page? a significant number of times when i try to type in the search field, a new browser window pops up with adverts for party poker |
| 14:03.26 | Legorol | has anyone had that ? |
| 14:03.32 | nevcairiel | not me |
| 14:03.43 | jnwhiteh | i have, yeah |
| 14:03.46 | jnwhiteh | defeats my popup blocker |
| 14:03.52 | jnwhiteh | i think its tied to one of the ads in their rotation |
| 14:03.52 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: if it were JR Rowling's publishers, I'm not quite so sure you'd be so lucky ;) |
| 14:03.54 | zenzio | malicious script injection? |
| 14:03.56 | bleeter | *JK |
| 14:04.03 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: huh? |
| 14:04.10 | nevcairiel | oh hey now i got it after tuning off adblock |
| 14:04.12 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: what i don't know is how/what they are doing, just loading the page doesn't make the popup come up |
| 14:04.14 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: if it were JK Rowling's publishers and not Blizzard, I'm not quite so sure you'd be so lucky ;) |
| 14:04.19 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 14:04.23 | Legorol | usually when i try to click the search field to type in it is when it pops u |
| 14:04.26 | jnwhiteh | not really, no. |
| 14:04.31 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: the guy they sued over that encyclopedia thingie |
| 14:04.33 | Kraps | vin diesel plays wow |
| 14:04.35 | Legorol | it's as if there's some kind of on-click thing on the search field |
| 14:04.36 | jnwhiteh | our content is COMPLETELY different from the encyclopedia. |
| 14:04.38 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.39 | jnwhiteh | that's not even remotely close. |
| 14:04.42 | jnwhiteh | terrible comparison |
| 14:04.55 | nevcairiel | Legorol. they probably but an invisible button over it, so they even have user-interaction which defeats most adblockers |
| 14:04.59 | jnwhiteh | and we're not talking about her publsihers |
| 14:05.06 | jnwhiteh | you're the one claiming what blizz does and doesn't want |
| 14:05.09 | jnwhiteh | I'm providing a counter-example |
| 14:05.17 | jnwhiteh | with actual personal experience behind it |
| 14:05.18 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 14:05.28 | Legorol | bah, my attempt at diverting the drama to a new topic (evil wowhead) failed. ui policy vs. random drama: 1 - 0 |
| 14:05.42 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:05.44 | nevcairiel | drama-llama |
| 14:05.45 | Wobin | Kraps: heheh yeah |
| 14:05.58 | Wobin | Kraps: You can tell cause he actually knows what a spectral tiger mount is =P |
| 14:06.06 | zenzio | PI IS EXACTLY THREE! |
| 14:06.09 | Kraps | yeah |
| 14:06.13 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: anyway, go to sleep |
| 14:06.14 | Legorol | zenzio: no wai |
| 14:06.19 | krka | pluto is a planet! (in illinois) |
| 14:06.21 | jnwhiteh | we can chat whenever :P |
| 14:06.22 | Wobin | Can you imagine being in his guild? =P |
| 14:06.25 | Legorol | zenzio: if you did that, trains would derail and planes would crash |
| 14:06.28 | krka | ((no pun intended btw)) |
| 14:06.39 | Kraps | Wobin: why was he all dodgy about it? |
| 14:06.46 | Wobin | krka: We've all read the xkcd =P |
| 14:07.02 | Wobin | Kraps: Probably cause he didn't want to geek out too much on public television =P |
| 14:07.06 | nevcairiel | Legorol: we can just bend the decimal system to set Pi at 3 and do everythign from there! |
| 14:07.26 | krka | nevcairiel: nice, that would make all other useful numbers different to express :) |
| 14:07.35 | Legorol | nevcairiel: i'm not sure that works, i'm a bit rusty on my math but since Pi is trancendental, you'll have issues setting it to an integer |
| 14:07.39 | Lopeppeppy | Numbers are useful? |
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| 14:07.43 | Wobin | "i" is actually 1 |
| 14:08.04 | zenzio | Legorol: nonsense. (int)pi |
| 14:08.09 | Legorol | ROFL |
| 14:08.26 | nevcairiel | Thats were beding comes in, wouldn't be bending if you just move it a bit |
| 14:08.34 | nevcairiel | srsly, be creative! |
| 14:08.41 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_Lv0r-l4c |
| 14:08.43 | Legorol | My all time favourite mathematical relation: e^(i*pi) = -1. |
| 14:08.47 | Legorol | Tha'ts got to be a classic |
| 14:08.52 | krka | the number 1 is written as 1 / pi in base pi |
| 14:08.56 | cog|sleep | 15:05 <jnwhiteh> Be angry. Please do NOT bring the book into this in any way, hypothetical or not. |
| 14:09.02 | cog|sleep | why the double standard? |
| 14:09.07 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 14:09.14 | krka | Legorol: that's not a very interesting equation imo |
| 14:09.25 | Legorol | it's not interesting, but very cool |
| 14:09.25 | krka | since the definition of exponentioals of complex numbers is the way it is |
| 14:09.27 | zenzio | krka: I equated your mom |
| 14:09.47 | jnwhiteh | cog|sleep: they were brought up in completely different contexts |
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| 14:10.32 | jnwhiteh | Among other things.. |
| 14:11.26 | cog|sleep | You said blizzard still allows us to profit in spite of the policy. I said blizzard's policy is similar to telling us we can't (at least in the way some people are justifying blizzard's stance). Seems to be an identical comparison, just with a different conclusion |
| 14:12.03 | jnwhiteh | one is meant to incite.. the other is me relating my experiences that I've had when working with Blizzard and Wiley legal. |
| 14:12.10 | Kraps | tanking axes in 3.1? hmm |
| 14:12.18 | cog|sleep | Please do NOT bring the book into this in any way, hypothetical or not. |
| 14:12.23 | cog|sleep | is what you said to me |
| 14:12.31 | jnwhiteh | Yes |
| 14:12.33 | zenzio | Kraps: one-handers? |
| 14:12.37 | jnwhiteh | it was a request |
| 14:12.41 | Kraps | yeah |
| 14:13.05 | Kraps | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=45204http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=45076 |
| 14:13.06 | zenzio | Kraps: wouldn't surprise me; the best one-handed tank weapon at the moment is alreadya n axe |
| 14:13.11 | jnwhiteh | If you really want to have this conversation in a public channel, we can. |
| 14:13.24 | zenzio | (for warriors) |
| 14:13.41 | jnwhiteh | but I am sorry for bringing the book into it, there are plenty of other examples that I could have used. |
| 14:13.57 | jnwhiteh | I was just attempting to relate my actual experiences |
| 14:14.00 | Legorol | i wants a tanking 2H |
| 14:14.06 | Legorol | <= DK |
| 14:14.12 | Kraps | heh |
| 14:14.12 | Beladona | aren't there any? |
| 14:14.23 | Legorol | I have a hard time convincing people that I *can* roll on those juicy 2H weapons for *tanking* that all the dps wants. |
| 14:14.30 | mikma | legorol: titansteel destroyer, go. |
| 14:14.44 | Lopeppeppy | I had a hard time convincing casters that as a healing paladin, I *could* roll on the sweet spellpower weapons. |
| 14:14.46 | Legorol | mikma: it's a good entry level weapon, but there are several better drops in Nax25 |
| 14:14.55 | mikma | legorol: you think? ;D |
| 14:15.02 | Wobin | PS, sell any stockpiled flasks now =P |
| 14:15.06 | Lopeppeppy | And I damn well would. Rawr. Esp. for my tankadin prior to the change to give them spellpower from other means. |
| 14:15.31 | cog|sleep | jnwhiteh: the thing is, i've found plenty of posts where bringing up the book in a non-inciteful manner would have been extremely useful (even in defense of blizzard, mind you). However, I respected your request and didn't bring it up in any way, hypothetical or not. I would appreciate it if you'd either release me from that request or abide by it yourself. |
| 14:15.32 | nevcairiel | Wobin: on my realm its probably already to late, people are always fast with shit like that |
| 14:15.36 | mikma | legorol: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40384 go! |
| 14:15.37 | Legorol | mikma: Jawbone or Inevitable Defeat would be great, Armageddon 2nd choice |
| 14:15.45 | cog|sleep | jnwhiteh: i'm not mad just confused. |
| 14:15.46 | Legorol | <= human, so wants a mace or sword |
| 14:15.48 | cog|sleep | fwiw |
| 14:16.09 | mikma | legorol: mace/sword specialization? |
| 14:16.11 | jnwhiteh | cog|sleep: I don't want the book involved in this, and I am sorry for bringing it up. I'll refrain int he future. |
| 14:16.24 | jnwhiteh | That request was made in a VERY specific context, and I stand 100% by it |
| 14:16.49 | Legorol | mikma: no, human racial |
| 14:16.53 | jnwhiteh | But we can refrain from getting into that here, it would hardly be productive. |
| 14:16.57 | Legorol | >.< doh, that's the same thing |
| 14:16.58 | Legorol | so yes |
| 14:17.01 | cog|sleep | jnwhiteh: agreed :P |
| 14:17.04 | Kraps | what am i doing wrong? http://ptr.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=ty=1:5:8;cr=42:45:46;crs=1:1:1;crv=0:0:0;ma=1#0-2+1 |
| 14:17.22 | krka | hmm... if the book contained useful information of actual addons, it might actually fit under "charge for services related to the add-on" |
| 14:17.24 | nevcairiel | productive? i doubt this channel knows how to spell this word in the last days =P |
| 14:17.34 | jnwhiteh | Regardless of how much of the book I wrote versus how much of the book you and Kaelten wrote, I have no more right to speak with your voices. |
| 14:17.39 | Legorol | mikma: betrayer is nice, but not as nice as the others would be |
| 14:17.41 | jnwhiteh | That's what you were doing in part initially, and I requested you stop. |
| 14:17.44 | Wobin | what is the "productivity" you speak of? |
| 14:17.45 | Legorol | at least i would let a dps have betrayer first |
| 14:17.53 | mikma | legorol: it's the best tanking weapon there is for dk tho |
| 14:17.55 | Legorol | but on jawbone or inevitable defeat, i'd want equal dips |
| 14:17.58 | jnwhiteh | Applying that unilaterally, I'll adjust my behavior. |
| 14:18.15 | krka | i haven't read it myself, so it probably doesn't include information on actual addons though |
| 14:18.24 | Legorol | mikma: i'm not convinced it's the best |
| 14:18.27 | Beladona | http://wowcompares.com/0109722 is up |
| 14:18.32 | Legorol | because it's an axe :) |
| 14:18.44 | jnwhiteh | krka: absolutely all code is available for free |
| 14:18.47 | mikma | legorol: urlmonster comes and eats your urls! http://www.lootrank.com/wr.asp?Cla=2048&Art=1&Gem=3&Str=90&Arm=5.5&mh=60&dps=150&Sta=106&Def=124&mcr=40&odps=75&Agi=102&Dod=136&mhit=60&map=40&par=109&Sckm=3500&arp=7&Exp=90&Ver=5&i4=0&title=Death+Knight+Tank |
| 14:19.01 | Legorol | mikma: whose choice of weightings are those? |
| 14:19.07 | mikma | legorol: see them from top |
| 14:19.10 | krka | jnwhiteh: sure, but the additional information that comes in the book isn't :) |
| 14:19.11 | Legorol | ok |
| 14:19.16 | jnwhiteh | krka: and they have no right to this |
| 14:19.23 | jnwhiteh | in any regard |
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| 14:19.28 | krka | now, that's only relevant if the book references any _real_ addon |
| 14:19.44 | Cide | wow |
| 14:19.51 | Cide | the new policy is really strange |
| 14:19.53 | jnwhiteh | krka: you haven't read the book, your speculation when I don't want the book involved in this discussion is.. worrying. |
| 14:19.58 | Legorol | mikma: that weight scale (i don't know who did it) seems seriously off |
| 14:20.04 | Beladona | actually wouldn't it only matter if the book INCLUDES any real addon, and can't be gotten through any other means? |
| 14:20.05 | nevcairiel | Cide was gone for the weekend, i guess? =) |
| 14:20.17 | Cide | I'm in malaysia for 2 months, so yeah... |
| 14:20.19 | Legorol | mikma: it gives equal weight to haste and hit, and equal weight to AP and crit |
| 14:20.23 | nevcairiel | Ah |
| 14:20.30 | krka | jnwhiteh: i am just theorizing how far the policy can reach |
| 14:20.45 | jnwhiteh | its a policy, they can take it up with my laywers |
| 14:20.50 | jnwhiteh | if they haev an issuew ith it |
| 14:20.59 | jnwhiteh | which they don't. |
| 14:21.10 | krka | if hypothetically someone 1) made an addon with lots of cryptical commands 2) sold a book that explained the cryptic commands, that would probably be a violation |
| 14:21.14 | mikma | legorol: http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2.1&filter=ub=6;wt=134:119:20:42:117:45:21:22:96:77:114:41;wtv=432:100:99:88:71:63:63:63:50:42:32:5 :) |
| 14:21.23 | krka | but i don't think your book qualifies for that |
| 14:21.28 | Beladona | imho stat weights aren't great anyway. They don't take into account certain factors |
| 14:21.30 | jnwhiteh | krka: sure, but that has nothign to do with our book |
| 14:21.32 | nevcairiel | I can't sell the manual to my addons? |
| 14:21.32 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 14:21.34 | Beladona | such as hit caps, etc... |
| 14:21.35 | nevcairiel | ./cry |
| 14:21.52 | Wraithan | Beladona: they are valuable if you know how to use them |
| 14:21.52 | Legorol | guys, you are forgetting that even if Blizzard makes a blanket prohibition on something, they can make any explicit and specific permissions they want |
| 14:22.03 | Legorol | so the book is wholly irrelevant, now can you leave out of it |
| 14:22.04 | cog|sleep | Legorol: favoritism 4tl |
| 14:22.07 | Beladona | I know how to sue them. My point is a stat weight can't be used unilaterally |
| 14:22.10 | Beladona | use* |
| 14:22.20 | Legorol | cog|sleep: exclusive advertising deals are just that, and they happen all the time |
| 14:22.21 | Beladona | and they MUST shift continually to be effective |
| 14:22.27 | Kraps | i cant access the armory lately "Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete." |
| 14:22.50 | Lukian | use armorylite or half a dozen other sites instead :p |
| 14:22.54 | Legorol | mikma: i'm not saying that Betrayer isn't *the* best 2H for a DK tank |
| 14:23.10 | Legorol | mikma: i'm saying that dps gains more out of upgrading from, say, Jawbone than I get out of it |
| 14:23.31 | krka | a worse example is creating an addon that won't function without a secret code, which you include in a book that you sell :) |
| 14:23.35 | Legorol | mikma: however, I get the same (if not more) out of upgrading from titansteel destroyer to Jawbone, than a dps does |
| 14:23.42 | Legorol | that's what i was trying to say |
| 14:23.47 | mikma | legorol: i dont think you can find any other weapon that gives more dps than that |
| 14:23.54 | Legorol | mikma: i agree |
| 14:23.54 | nevcairiel | Legorol: if they can push 5% more DPS because you get more threat, its win-win =) |
| 14:23.59 | Wraithan | Beladona: I know I have pawn setups for hitcap and non-hitcap |
| 14:23.59 | Legorol | mikma: dps is not the only factor |
| 14:24.20 | Legorol | nevcairiel: yes, but i can push high threat without the best weapon in-game, because damage-threat is not 1-1 |
| 14:24.24 | mikma | legorol: it's still a good stat :) |
| 14:24.28 | Legorol | mikma: i agree |
| 14:24.44 | mikma | i myself use Death's Bite (that's because i have no other weapon) |
| 14:24.45 | Legorol | mikma: i never said betrayer sucks, don't get me wrong |
| 14:24.54 | Kraps | anyone? |
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| 14:24.59 | Legorol | mikma: i'm just syaing that in a close-knit guild environment, i'd pass on it for the dps |
| 14:25.08 | Legorol | mikma: but i would ask them to let me have jawbone |
| 14:25.16 | mikma | legorol: yeah, that. Death's Bite is propably the easiest to get |
| 14:25.18 | |Jelly| | DK tanks? *snickers* |
| 14:25.22 | |Jelly| | WTB S3D |
| 14:25.24 | Lopeppeppy | hey, Jelly. |
| 14:25.31 | Beladona | I am glad that there are a ton of items in Ulduar, becuase I look to be carrying 3 sets around |
| 14:25.32 | Legorol | |Jelly|: we are awesome, i feel so OP i feel guilty |
| 14:25.33 | Wobin | Kraps: works fine for me |
| 14:25.37 | Wobin | in FFB3.1 |
| 14:25.52 | nevcairiel | frost fire bolt 3.1? :D |
| 14:25.57 | |Jelly| | Legorol: I don't doubt that there are good DK tanks out there; I've just yet to find one on my server. |
| 14:26.12 | Wobin | |Jelly|: at this point, you go roll one |
| 14:26.17 | mikma | hehe |
| 14:26.18 | Legorol | |Jelly|: good point |
| 14:26.24 | cog|sleep | Legorol: i fail to see how advertising deals are relevant... That's Blizzard choosing to *use* the producs of a particular company. I'm talking about enforcing a policy based on arbitrary standards. |
| 14:26.36 | Legorol | |Jelly|: i happen to be a good tank (regardless of which class i'm tnaking on), and i beleive that's because tanking as such is a role you need to learn, not the class |
| 14:26.40 | mikma | the server where i play has lots of good dk tanks |
| 14:26.49 | Wobin | There are good DKs and there are terrible DKs |
| 14:26.52 | |Jelly| | Wobin: You mean respec? http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Seasecon |
| 14:27.02 | cog|sleep | "this violates our policy but we like it so it stays" |
| 14:27.09 | Kraps | |Jelly|: i pugged into 25 naxx with a DK mt, was pretty cool |
| 14:27.11 | Wobin | |Jelly|: Why not! |
| 14:27.15 | cog|sleep | "this doesn't violate our policy but we don't like it so it goes" |
| 14:27.15 | Legorol | DK is a very difficult class to master (i still suck at many things), and there are loads of noobs running around with "cool, i get a free L55" |
| 14:27.34 | nevcairiel | People still do armory-scanners even though the ToS technically doesnt allow it, but unless some pages starts to scan excessively, they don't do anything about it |
| 14:27.41 | |Jelly| | Wobin: Cause I don't need to http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Lesli |
| 14:27.44 | Wobin | I was only -just- out dpsing our pug DK tank this afternoon |
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| 14:27.56 | Wobin | that, for me is an indicator of a good DK |
| 14:28.05 | Wobin | (also, his threat management was great) |
| 14:28.07 | Legorol | cog|sleep: that'd be true if they did it with things that didn't violate their policies |
| 14:28.20 | Legorol | but who is to decide (other than blizzard or a court) what does and doesn't violate their policy? that's the problem |
| 14:28.26 | Wobin | I mean, as a SV hunter, I have all sorts of ways of avoiding aggro |
| 14:28.37 | |Jelly| | Legorol: I completely agree on both accounts. Tanking is a learned skill through leveling imo; you can't just decide one day that you want to tank and be any good at it. Also, there are a BUNCH of scrub DKs out there because of the whole "ZOMG LEVEL 55" factor but I'm glad that attrition has seemed to thin the numbers lately. |
| 14:28.47 | Wobin | but if the tank is snazzy enough to taunt/grab/snatch the mobs off me, I don't have to stop dpsing |
| 14:29.11 | Wobin | and once we reach that understanding, it's golden =) |
| 14:29.13 | Legorol | cog|sleep: sorry that probably came out a bit different than I intended. (it sounds like appeal to authority) |
| 14:29.27 | cog|sleep | Legorol: no i understand what you meant |
| 14:29.44 | cog|sleep | but i must get ready for work now |
| 14:29.44 | Kraps | Legorol: like i group with a DK in outlands on my priest. 1. he would not attack until i did 2. HE WOULD NOT ATTACK UNTIL DG WAS OFF CD AND HE COULD USE IT /FACE.PALM. |
| 14:29.54 | nevcairiel | I think its just impossible to write a policy that is able to ban all "bad boys" like gold spammers, bots and stuff, but doesn't step on any other devs toes. Its always been a deal about how much you can push the policy before they start acting on it. And under that assumption i work now too |
| 14:29.56 | Wobin | |Jelly|: I'd say I'm a decent DK tank, but it's my first tanking toon |
| 14:30.01 | Legorol | Kraps: that is just fail |
| 14:30.02 | |Jelly| | Kraps: Let him die imo. |
| 14:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | What nevcarile said. |
| 14:30.22 | Wobin | what Lopeppeppy said |
| 14:30.31 | cog|away | yes, but we're all being pheared into NOT pushing the envelope |
| 14:30.32 | nevcairiel | Is my name really that hard? |
| 14:30.35 | cog|away | they're threatening legal action |
| 14:30.38 | Legorol | the worst thing about random DK tanks at 80 is that they pretty much are born like this: |
| 14:30.46 | |Jelly| | Wobin: You can learn to tank from 55. I'm more or less talking about the people that decide all of the sudden they want to tank at 80 (like a warrior in my guild) . . . http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Burning+Legion&n=Fuzzydeath |
| 14:30.55 | Wobin | ah yes |
| 14:31.02 | cog|away | Who would want to even tempt fate with the way they handled the glider case? |
| 14:31.08 | Wobin | I rolled the DK deliberately to learn tanking right from the start |
| 14:31.08 | cog|away | ruling by fear. always a good motivator |
| 14:31.09 | krka | what Wobin said |
| 14:31.09 | nevcairiel | cog|away: do you think it would die down if they would explain what you roughly have to do to get legal action on your ass? |
| 14:31.11 | cog|away | *eyeroll* |
| 14:31.17 | Kraps | |Jelly|: blood dks dont die. ever. |
| 14:31.20 | Legorol | "cool i get a free L55. let's level him quick *blasts through to 80 in a dps spec, with an OP DK (yes they are OP)*. hmm, tanking is so cool, you are the hero, and this class is supposed to be able to do it as a dps. let's try it. *nuke nuke nuke pew pew* oh, healer is dead" |
| 14:31.24 | |Jelly| | I rolled a DK to have my plate rogue, honestly. |
| 14:31.29 | Kraps | except when i play one |
| 14:31.46 | Wobin | Itemisation is so much more straightforward as a tank =) |
| 14:31.52 | |Jelly| | now |
| 14:31.54 | cog|away | nevcairiel: considering I have objections to the very nature of the most explicit term, no it wouldn't help |
| 14:32.05 | cog|away | anyway, |away! |
| 14:32.07 | |Jelly| | I'm waiting to have to stack spell power on my paladin again. |
| 14:32.11 | |Jelly| | *hugs Cog* |
| 14:32.20 | Legorol | Wobin: for a DK, it's relatively straightforward, although there are still choices to make (def/sta vs. hit/expertise is the most common) |
| 14:32.30 | Wobin | cog|away: You mean "Up! Up! and Away!"? |
| 14:32.31 | Legorol | Wobin: warrior tank itemisation is lot more complex, consider yourself lucky :) |
| 14:32.42 | Kraps | what wobin said |
| 14:32.44 | Wobin | Legorol: truedat |
| 14:32.55 | Kraps | er Legorol |
| 14:32.55 | Legorol | Wobin: also, lucky for us, the emblem items are better itemised for DKs than for warriors, whereas the drops in Naxx are more warrior oriented |
| 14:33.16 | Wobin | damn all that block/shieldblock items =( |
| 14:33.24 | Legorol | I was having an awesome time buying up all the emblem stuff and getting best-in-slot items, whilst others struggle and wait for their random drops |
| 14:33.25 | Wobin | damnitalltohell =( |
| 14:33.27 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:34.04 | |Jelly| | I finally got my Sigil of Awareness last night ... then because we had to pug 10 damned people, I lost my Betrayer. |
| 14:34.11 | |Jelly| | GG guild. I love you too. |
| 14:34.12 | Wobin | I'm slowly working on my dps set |
| 14:34.23 | Kraps | i have block stuff in the bank but WTF DO I USE IT FOR? |
| 14:34.45 | mikma | wobin: mah dps set! http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Oe |
| 14:34.58 | Wobin | hehe mine: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuusnu |
| 14:35.01 | Wobin | it's pretty terrible |
| 14:35.01 | mikma | (yeah i linked talents by accident, sorry) |
| 14:35.20 | Wobin | but I'm not far in Naxx yet |
| 14:35.45 | mikma | wobin: it's not the gear, it's the skill :I and that applies with dk |
| 14:35.59 | Wobin | to a certain point |
| 14:36.12 | Wobin | I do decent dps |
| 14:36.15 | mikma | this finnish girl in the guild my wife is whooped my ass in dps many many times in naxx eventho i had better hear than her |
| 14:36.15 | nevcairiel | cmon, wobin can't be that bad |
| 14:36.16 | Wobin | but not very high |
| 14:36.31 | mikma | i was always whispering her like "woot, lookie, you beat me in dps, again! good job :)" |
| 14:37.28 | Wobin | I will say, though, I'm glad that DK tanking talents can lend themselves to decent dps |
| 14:37.38 | Wobin | and not be a one or the other thing |
| 14:37.48 | nevcairiel | ya thats nice |
| 14:37.50 | mikma | disease, disease, howling blast! win. |
| 14:37.57 | Wobin | although, we'll see how all the changes pan out next patch |
| 14:37.57 | mikma | err, add pestilence there |
| 14:38.03 | Kraps | halp i cant access the armory! |
| 14:38.04 | nevcairiel | There aren't that many talents that are only tanking ,really |
| 14:38.13 | Wobin | true |
| 14:38.29 | nevcairiel | Some mitigation stuff, all the threat stuff is usually just dps too =) |
| 14:38.35 | Wobin | dodge, mitigation etc |
| 14:38.36 | mikma | ya |
| 14:38.44 | mikma | 5/5/5 talents are for tanking :D |
| 14:38.53 | nevcairiel | Plus the cooldowns in each tier |
| 14:38.59 | |Jelly| | Can anyone name a text editor that will allow me to edit my combat log (delete large [100k+lines] portions) without crashing? |
| 14:39.04 | Wobin | gvim |
| 14:39.19 | mikma | echo "" > mycombatlog.txt |
| 14:39.24 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:39.39 | nevcairiel | If i wanted to split my combatlog by day, i just used the console "find" command |
| 14:39.39 | Wraithan | mikma: well some are pvp/tanking like the death grip stuff |
| 14:39.57 | mikma | wraithan: i'd use the DG into something better actually :) |
| 14:40.19 | mikma | wraithan: but like i said. 5/5/5 and then you can pick whatever you want |
| 14:40.23 | nevcairiel | DG is mostly a pvp thing, on boss fights you shouldn't really DG that much |
| 14:40.36 | nevcairiel | except you're on spark duty on malygos |
| 14:40.39 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: it is good for 5man |
| 14:40.44 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=j0xZ0xZ0x |
| 14:40.48 | mikma | and you are ready to tank. |
| 14:41.03 | |Jelly| | Question: How hard is it for a DK to not DG Malygos? Cause Jesus if this DK didn't do it like 5 times in a row. |
| 14:41.37 | Wobin | Unbreakable, Frigid Deathplate, Acclimation, Lichbourne, are all tanking talents |
| 14:41.47 | Wraithan | |Jelly|: dude probably hit <tab> DG and it didn't end up targeting the spark |
| 14:42.03 | |Jelly| | Dude needs to stop being dumb imo. |
| 14:42.18 | Lopeppeppy | tab targeting for the lose, we've know that since UBRS for the sake of cats |
| 14:42.21 | Wobin | Although, as a hunter, levelling... |
| 14:42.32 | |Jelly| | As it was, this was also the DK that spammed meters (where he was 5th, of 10) every attempt. lol |
| 14:42.32 | mikma | |jelly|: actually, it's hard |
| 14:42.40 | Wobin | one thing grouping with 3 other DKs in a party has taught me is "Mana Regen Management" |
| 14:42.55 | nevcairiel | DKs have mana? |
| 14:43.00 | mikma | |jelly|: you target the spark, and be ready to DG it, when you are about to do so, someone kills it and you automatically DG malygos |
| 14:43.00 | Wobin | They don't =P |
| 14:43.05 | Wobin | So they chainpull -everything- |
| 14:43.14 | mikma | |jelly|: i've had that happen like 10 times already and it really, really sucks balls |
| 14:43.19 | Wobin | means as a mana user, I need to be able to regen -really- fast =P |
| 14:43.22 | Wraithan | Wobin: get a better healer imo |
| 14:43.30 | selckin | he is the healer |
| 14:43.33 | nevcairiel | mikma: see, thats failure already, they should not kill it before you DG it |
| 14:43.35 | Wobin | no I'm the hunter |
| 14:43.36 | |Jelly| | mikma: I love when my DG is on CD so I'm waiting for it to get to me to chain it ... and a mage novas and kills it like a million miles away from the group. |
| 14:43.46 | Wobin | The healer is fine =) |
| 14:43.51 | mikma | nevcairiel: exactly! it's DK's job to stack the sparks :I |
| 14:44.00 | Wobin | I just have terrible mana consumption |
| 14:44.07 | selckin | don't you regen to full in 8 seconds with aspect |
| 14:44.11 | Beladona | mikma: thats stupid user syndrome. Time to start booting people from the raid |
| 14:44.13 | Wobin | and drinking =) |
| 14:44.18 | Wobin | It's -fantastic- |
| 14:44.19 | Beladona | they should only kill it when its called |
| 14:44.26 | Kraps | what is it with hunters and crazy threat anyway? |
| 14:44.38 | Wobin | Kraps: Explosive shot triple crits |
| 14:44.38 | selckin | fd is hard |
| 14:44.42 | mikma | beladona: i really agree. "DK handles the sparks, DG them to same spot" -> joink, malygos |
| 14:45.04 | Kraps | selckin: inoright |
| 14:45.18 | Wobin | Or Lock and Load nontuple explosive crits |
| 14:45.46 | Wobin | (and forced L&L) |
| 14:46.18 | Wobin | although, we have so many threat management skills, it's ridiculous =P |
| 14:46.47 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.37 | Kraps | can you link all that crap Wobin ? |
| 14:47.48 | Wobin | oh? |
| 14:47.57 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy loves some links! |
| 14:48.05 | Wobin | Hm, Explosive Shot:http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60053 |
| 14:48.19 | Wobin | Lock and Load: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=56344 |
| 14:48.28 | Wobin | is basically 3 chained explosive shots |
| 14:48.42 | Wobin | and SV hunters have talents that increase the crit chance of those explosive shots |
| 14:49.04 | Wobin | ie, it ends up a crapload of threat and damage |
| 14:49.08 | Wobin | every 30 seconds |
| 14:49.16 | Kraps | damn thats op |
| 14:49.23 | Wobin | because you can (currently) force a Lock and Load proc by using a frost trap |
| 14:49.26 | Kraps | L&L |
| 14:49.29 | Wobin | (if the frost trap triggers) |
| 14:50.00 | Wobin | It's a practise called "trapdancing" |
| 14:50.11 | Wobin | you step in close enough that you can drop a trap at the mob's feet |
| 14:50.22 | Wobin | then dance back and take advantage of the L&L proc |
| 14:50.30 | Wobin | (either strafing or using disengage) |
| 14:50.47 | Wobin | It's not always an efficient use of resources though |
| 14:50.51 | Wobin | it depends on the boss fight |
| 14:51.07 | Wobin | cause you waste a lot of time moving around |
| 14:51.46 | Kraps | what spec are you? |
| 14:51.50 | Wobin | Survival |
| 14:52.07 | Wobin | hehe mine: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuustome |
| 14:52.17 | Wobin | Not that that link is very indicative of anything =P |
| 14:52.22 | Wobin | since I'm not 80 |
| 14:52.27 | Kraps | i heard they're nerfing surv to bring back BM |
| 14:52.31 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:52.40 | Wobin | internal cooldown for L&L |
| 14:52.47 | Wobin | and reducing the damage of Explosive shot |
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| 14:53.02 | Wobin | we'll have to see how things turn out |
| 14:53.09 | Wobin | It's a nice change from BM though |
| 14:53.51 | Kraps | i'm sure you'll still own in pvp :/ |
| 14:53.56 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=56337 |
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| 14:55.23 | Wraithan | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&n=Wraithseer |
| 14:55.35 | Kraps | what level is good to switch a shammy to enhance? |
| 14:55.41 | Wraithan | 1' |
| 14:55.42 | mikma | kraps: 80 :( |
| 14:55.48 | Kraps | rofl |
| 14:56.02 | Wraithan | Level 1 is the level to start Enhancement |
| 14:56.24 | Kraps | er i meant elemental! |
| 14:56.33 | mikma | i leveled mine as enhancement 1-78, elemental 78-80 |
| 14:56.36 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.36 | Wobin | we have elemental shamans? |
| 14:56.44 | Wobin | I hardly see any around =( |
| 14:56.45 | Wraithan | What is an elemental shaman? |
| 14:56.49 | Kraps | elemental shamans own shit |
| 14:56.52 | mikma | wobin: screw you lady! |
| 14:56.54 | mikma | wobin: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Bani |
| 14:56.55 | Kraps | really |
| 14:56.59 | Wobin | (on my server) |
| 14:57.20 | Wobin | what do elemental shammies do? |
| 14:57.25 | Kraps | they are the most consistent high dpsers |
| 14:57.47 | Wraithan | flame shock, lava burst, lightning bolt |
| 14:57.49 | Wobin | Cause my boomkin just shoots green balls til the white beam procs then white beams til the green balls proc |
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| 14:58.13 | Wobin | I might get my shammy elemental |
| 14:58.19 | mikma | flame shock, lava burst, chain lightning, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, chain lightning, lava burst ... |
| 14:58.24 | Kraps | i still cant get into the us armory, something about cookies |
| 14:58.26 | Wobin | she's currently enh, but has a way to go |
| 14:58.46 | Kraps | firefox wants a cookies? |
| 14:59.03 | mikma | wobin: elelelele was cool when leveling :) mobs couldn't reach me before they died |
| 14:59.03 | Wobin | armoury lite? |
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| 14:59.20 | nevcairiel | even firefoxes need food :( |
| 14:59.21 | Wobin | yeah? I need a bit of a change |
| 14:59.38 | Kraps | Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. |
| 14:59.40 | Kraps | The browser has stopped trying to retrieve the requested item. The site is redirecting the request in a way that will never complete. |
| 14:59.42 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.43 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.46 | Kraps | sorry spam! |
| 14:59.57 | mikma | wobin: it was like, flame shock (glyphed), lava burst (glyphed), chain lightning, thunderstorm, lightning bolt = dead |
| 15:00.14 | Wobin | Kraps: http://armorylite.com/ ? |
| 15:00.26 | mikma | warcrafter.net |
| 15:01.12 | Wobin | mikma: she's only 45 |
| 15:01.18 | Wobin | so has a ways to go |
| 15:01.33 | Kraps | Wobin: ok that works but still... |
| 15:01.52 | Kraps | http://armorylite.com/us/Dalvengyr/Ertis |
| 15:02.07 | Kraps | doh wrong sword |
| 15:02.21 | Kraps | i have the RSoC |
| 15:02.43 | Kraps | use this one for mob killing/ pvp |
| 15:03.37 | Kraps | my priest http://armorylite.com/us/Dalvengyr/Mornsen |
| 15:03.47 | Wobin | RSoC? |
| 15:04.00 | Kraps | shammy http://armorylite.com/us/Dalvengyr/Varisan |
| 15:04.10 | Kraps | red sword of courage |
| 15:04.13 | Wobin | ah |
| 15:05.15 | Kraps | i have all 9 classes |
| 15:05.27 | Kraps | lowest is a 9 pally |
| 15:05.27 | Wobin | I'm lacking a warrior |
| 15:05.29 | Wobin | and a pally |
| 15:07.40 | Kraps | i need new bracers so i can get 40 stam /sigh |
| 15:08.27 | mikma | what the hell, i got 2x discovery :D |
| 15:08.35 | mikma | old one, and new one |
| 15:09.03 | Wobin | although, I've not played the priest and rogue for a while now |
| 15:09.06 | Wobin | everything has changed =( |
| 15:09.26 | Wraithan | http://armorylite.com/us/Shadowsong/Ritterwraith Taking this toon into naxx for the first time on Friday, I get to tank! |
| 15:09.38 | Wraithan | naxx10 that is |
| 15:09.57 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:10.02 | Wobin | I like the tooltip for the sigil |
| 15:10.03 | Kraps | Wobin: leveling as disc is cool :D |
| 15:10.03 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_032409_170819.jpg <- double discovery xD |
| 15:10.20 | Wobin | Kraps: She's also alliance |
| 15:10.25 | Wobin | and I've been playing horde recently |
| 15:10.29 | Kraps | ah |
| 15:10.42 | nevcairiel | mikma: haha a primal transmute |
| 15:10.43 | Wobin | it's also why I rerolled a hunter |
| 15:10.50 | Wobin | to stay hordeside |
| 15:11.13 | Wobin | it's odd, we have guilds on both factions |
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| 15:11.18 | Wobin | but the hordeside is just -nicer- |
| 15:11.34 | Wobin | I never got into raiding alliance side |
| 15:11.52 | mikma | nevcairiel: ya :D , <1708> <mikma> old one, and new one |
| 15:12.32 | Fisker- | exploiter mikma ! |
| 15:12.36 | Fisker- | reported |
| 15:12.41 | mikma | fisker-: no that's not exploiting, wait.. |
| 15:12.57 | Wobin | getting the recipe screenshot? =P |
| 15:12.58 | Kraps | reported for reporting /hide |
| 15:13.04 | mikma | fisker-: http://wow.reaktio.net/lol/WoWScrnShot_120908_033420.jpg |
| 15:13.08 | mikma | this is exploiting! |
| 15:13.42 | Fisker- | more like ptr? |
| 15:13.46 | Fisker- | or beta? |
| 15:13.47 | mikma | live |
| 15:13.55 | Fisker- | wut! |
| 15:14.04 | mikma | (no worries, is fixed by now) |
| 15:14.57 | Kraps | If you're a Vista user, that odd sidebar has suddenly become relevant to your WoW lifestyle. Available for free from the Wndows Live site, WoW Explorer has a host of neat little plugins. |
| 15:15.06 | Kraps | er no thanks |
| 15:15.36 | Kraps | browser > sidebar |
| 15:16.29 | mikma | fisker-: also, http://wow.reaktio.net/lol/WoWScrnShot_112408_065214.jpg |
| 15:16.41 | AckisWork | some stupid american pissed off all of Canada last night by making fun of our troops if Afghanistan :( |
| 15:18.20 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcJn5XlbSFk ? |
| 15:19.10 | AckisWork | Wobin: aye |
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| 15:19.50 | TecnoBrat | AckisWork, LEMME AT EM! |
| 15:20.20 | Wobin | huh |
| 15:20.31 | Anaralx2 | Is there a way to turn off the shadow/3d effect from windows in Vista? |
| 15:20.34 | |Jelly| | I wish I could say that was a surprise considering the icon in the lower left corner. |
| 15:20.37 | Wobin | way to go in extending the impression that Americans are stupid =P |
| 15:21.06 | Wobin | |Jelly|: but yeah, Kwality journalism, right there |
| 15:21.06 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: lol |
| 15:21.08 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: you a canuck? |
| 15:21.23 | TecnoBrat | AckisWork, yep |
| 15:21.29 | cog|away | Anaralx2: right-click on the shortcut -> properties |
| 15:21.37 | cog|away | in the compatibility tab disable desktop composition |
| 15:21.54 | Kraps | <-- american, not stupid :/ |
| 15:22.01 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: where from? |
| 15:22.20 | TecnoBrat | Vancouver Island, BC |
| 15:22.23 | Wobin | Kraps: Not that -that- video in any way encourages that deliniation =P |
| 15:22.23 | cog|away | Anaralx2: or do you JUST mean the shadow part of Aero? not sure if you can single that out, but there might be an option somewhere in the display properties |
| 15:22.39 | AckisWork | TecnoBrat: ahh Edmonton here |
| 15:22.41 | Kraps | :'( |
| 15:22.45 | alestane | Performance. Computer properties. |
| 15:22.54 | Anaralx2 | cog|away: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 15:22.54 | AckisWork | Teomyr: and because I'm lazy to tab to the other window: http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=84051&p=905692 :P |
| 15:23.39 | Kraps | so would carbonite shut down? :( |
| 15:23.52 | AckisWork | s/Teomyr/TecnoBrat/ |
| 15:23.57 | mikma | we can only hope so kraps |
| 15:24.05 | Kraps | NOOOOOO!!!!!! |
| 15:24.09 | Anaralx2 | alestane I already have 'show shadows under menus and mouse pointer disabled... I'm not sure which one would be for windows. :( |
| 15:24.13 | krka | has carbonite given any response yet btw? |
| 15:24.20 | |Jelly| | ... these are a bunch of fuck offs and I'm sad that they apparently speak for all of the US to some |
| 15:24.23 | mikma | yeah.. it has actually |
| 15:24.28 | Anaralx2 | got it |
| 15:24.30 | Anaralx2 | lol |
| 15:24.32 | Kraps | mikma: WHY THE HATE? |
| 15:24.32 | Anaralx2 | I blind |
| 15:24.52 | mikma | kraps: <3 LH + TG |
| 15:25.06 | Kraps | TG? |
| 15:25.11 | Wobin | Tourguide |
| 15:25.20 | krka | mikma: link? |
| 15:25.26 | Kraps | LG is sooooo not up to date? |
| 15:25.27 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8214-CarboniteQuest.html |
| 15:25.38 | mikma | this was carbonite's response |
| 15:25.44 | Kraps | s/?/! |
| 15:25.53 | Kraps | s/?/!/ |
| 15:25.59 | Kraps | rofl |
| 15:26.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:26.02 | krka | i see |
| 15:26.08 | Anaralx2 | cog|away: or alestane anyway to still have aero glass without window shadow thing? |
| 15:26.19 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.39 | Kraps | why is blizz doing this? |
| 15:26.50 | alestane | Probably not. You can turn off the transparency and still kep the overall look of the theme, but shadows under tha glass help maintain readability IIRC. |
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| 15:28.04 | Anaralx2 | they also make it harder to find the extend window size on the left and top. |
| 15:28.07 | Kraps | mikma: [11:25:30]<Kraps>LG is sooooo not up to date |
| 15:28.28 | Kraps | s/LG/LH/ |
| 15:28.56 | nevcairiel | you could probably QQ at clad more and he parses again =) |
| 15:29.42 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: LH was updated.. like a few weeks ago |
| 15:29.43 | jnwhiteh | what is the issue. |
| 15:29.57 | jnwhiteh | parsed March 8th |
| 15:30.05 | nevcairiel | thats not too old |
| 15:30.17 | AckisWork | 16 days old |
| 15:30.18 | AckisWork | wow |
| 15:30.21 | Kraps | hmm |
| 15:30.21 | AckisWork | sheesh |
| 15:30.21 | jnwhiteh | it would be better if there was no QQ at all, and you actually explained what your issue is. |
| 15:30.23 | AckisWork | slackers |
| 15:30.24 | cog|away | Kraps: lol? |
| 15:30.47 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.53 | mikma | jnwhiteh: my thoughts exactly |
| 15:30.58 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: just explain what the problem is |
| 15:31.01 | jnwhiteh | and i'll work to solve it |
| 15:31.09 | jnwhiteh | that's the way this whole developer/user relationship works =) |
| 15:31.20 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: wrong |
| 15:31.25 | AckisWork | users go: hey it's broken |
| 15:31.31 | AckisWork | and devs go: huh? |
| 15:31.35 | mikma | jnwhiteh: user error, fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it (Fry -voice) |
| 15:31.36 | Kraps | well, its a very update-reliant addon |
| 15:31.41 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: nuh uh! we're a bunch of greedy assholes out to get the little guys!! get with the program! |
| 15:31.42 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: not reallym no,. |
| 15:31.44 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:31.50 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: very little is changing in the game at the moment |
| 15:32.05 | jnwhiteh | comments from 2 years ago work brilliantly for 80% of the quests |
| 15:32.12 | jnwhiteh | and I update very frequently when new quests are released |
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| 15:34.18 | alestane | cog|work: What terminal height is TW2002 set for? |
| 15:34.25 | Kraps | and it integrates with TG? |
| 15:34.31 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: so... why isn't it update? *hides* |
| 15:34.48 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: TourGuide calls LightHeaded to get NPC locations, that's it. |
| 15:34.51 | cog|work | alestane: it's designed for at least 24 lines, but it should work with anything, really. |
| 15:34.52 | jnwhiteh | are you having a problem with this? |
| 15:35.00 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: remember when I bugged you about tomtom not being updated for wrath? that was funny eh? |
| 15:35.09 | jnwhiteh | AckisWork: still isn't =) |
| 15:35.12 | Wobin | How we laughed! |
| 15:35.16 | jnwhiteh | will be as soon as I put the new Astrolabe in it |
| 15:35.17 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: heheh |
| 15:35.47 | alestane | I'm just getting quirky issues with the graphical displays, the ones that reset the screen first. I get the first line at the bottom of the screen and the rest above it, kind of werid. |
| 15:35.58 | Kraps | no, never d/l-ed TG |
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| 15:36.13 | cog|work | alestane: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.terminals/browse_thread/thread/69fada58e69db9ee |
| 15:36.16 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: okay, I'm just trying to identify what the problem with LightHeaded is |
| 15:36.29 | jnwhiteh | at the moment it appears to just be a perception issue, but if there is a real problem I will (of course) work to fix it. |
| 15:36.29 | AckisWork | Astrolabe... I know why it has that name but every time I see it I think "Astrolube" |
| 15:36.31 | cog|work | alestane: not sure if it helps, but it explains the problem :P |
| 15:36.45 | alestane | Tryin iTerm, but it might have the same problem. |
| 15:36.53 | Kraps | "at the moment it appears to just be a perception issue" yeah i fail :( |
| 15:36.55 | cog|work | alestane: http://www.classictw.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=21684 <-- if you can compile putty for macosx |
| 15:37.08 | cog|work | i've fixed its handling of that |
| 15:37.55 | Wobin | night all |
| 15:38.01 | nevcairiel | night Wobin |
| 15:38.10 | mikma | wobin: baby don't goooo! |
| 15:38.24 | Wobin | I must sleep |
| 15:39.31 | Kraps | for some reason my guildmates are convinced every monday that THIS tuesday is patch day |
| 15:39.49 | nevcairiel | alot of people are |
| 15:40.01 | Kraps | i try to reason with them, but to no avail |
| 15:40.04 | Torhal | Wishful thinking. |
| 15:40.14 | Anaralx2 | I want a sea turtle... |
| 15:40.15 | Torhal | "If I think about it hard enough, it will be true!" |
| 15:40.21 | Kraps | nevcairiel: no, EVERY tuesday |
| 15:40.23 | MoonWolf | i'll give it enother 4 weeks. |
| 15:41.27 | Anaralx2 | I say they're going to release April 1st, or atleast fake us out. |
| 15:41.32 | Anaralx2 | Heh |
| 15:41.41 | Nechckn_AFK | Those sea turtles do look pretty sweet |
| 15:42.08 | Nechckn_AFK | what they should do is allow the old TC game turtle mount to be a slow, undersea mount, too ;-) |
| 15:42.21 | Kraps | i discovered yesterday that there's no achievement for doing 25 dailies in 1 day :( |
| 15:42.26 | Anaralx2 | lol, they won't do that. |
| 15:42.33 | jnwhiteh | "How do I use Clique.. I need to use my mouse to move" |
| 15:42.36 | jnwhiteh | ~forehead |
| 15:42.41 | Anaralx2 | Aww, poor Kraps. |
| 15:42.52 | Anaralx2 | jnwhiteh: lol |
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| 15:42.55 | Kraps | but you do make a shitton of gold |
| 15:42.55 | Anaralx2 | Awesome |
| 15:43.22 | Anaralx2 | Are the ptr realms up? |
| 15:43.29 | cog|work | ~whalenuke the forums |
| 15:43.30 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around the forums with his mind powers. |
| 15:43.59 | Kraps | cog|work: eh? |
| 15:43.59 | Anaralx2 | cog|work: The forums are like roaches, they'll survive anything, unfortunately. |
| 15:44.03 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: tomtom doesn't work with 3.1!!! ;) |
| 15:44.23 | cog|work | Kraps: server error |
| 15:44.30 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I think he already knew that. *ponders* |
| 15:44.44 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: <-- imma being funny |
| 15:44.52 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: not working :/ |
| 15:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm too serious for my own good sometimes. |
| 15:45.34 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: eh? |
| 15:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis! Bad monkey |
| 15:45.48 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: "being funny" |
| 15:45.52 | Torhal | AckisWork: Get Collectinator working, you sick bastard. |
| 15:46.00 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: oh |
| 15:46.06 | AckisWork | Torhal: no motivation now :P |
| 15:46.14 | Torhal | AckisWork: Excuses! |
| 15:46.30 | AckisWork | Torhal: # of commits to my projects since release of policy = 1 :P |
| 15:46.37 | Torhal | Aha |
| 15:46.50 | AckisWork | and that was just to add info saying the policy sucks |
| 15:46.51 | AckisWork | lol |
| 15:47.03 | Torhal | It does, but I'm still adding presets to Volumizer. |
| 15:47.04 | Thrae | Anyone know how much MSCE certification costs altogether? |
| 15:47.12 | Kraps | icecrown dailys are epic, i found this one yesterday http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13069 |
| 15:47.14 | Anaralx2 | I also love the new train wreaker toy |
| 15:47.26 | Thrae | s/MSCE/2003 MSCE/ |
| 15:48.25 | Aelobin | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Chamber+of+Aspects&n=Cylae on my realm |
| 15:48.29 | Aelobin | makes me feel sick |
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| 15:48.37 | Aelobin | they have 6 legendaries too |
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| 15:48.51 | AckisWork | Torhal: just can't be bothered with it right now... I have other stuff on the go, there's a few things left for ARL but overall it looks like ARL is finally done *knocks on wood*... not that my addons violate that policy I just don't agree how blizzard dealt with it/handled it/etc and it's made me meh about finishing off stuff... my own opinion |
| 15:49.06 | Etanol | Tetris is a very dangerous game |
| 15:49.23 | Etanol | thanks to it, I took the wrong buss and didnt notice it until I was in the middle of nowhere |
| 15:49.49 | AckisWork | Aelobin: look at ackis on azgalor, and Xinhuan on blackrock :P |
| 15:49.56 | AckisWork | (both US) |
| 15:49.57 | Aelobin | :P |
| 15:50.03 | Kraps | later all |
| 15:50.08 | Aelobin | looking at Zoltan on aegwynn atm |
| 15:51.43 | Aelobin | AckisWork: just getting armory errors on the US one |
| 15:52.01 | AckisWork | oh? |
| 15:52.19 | durcyn | ackis has internet points now? |
| 15:52.33 | AckisWork | ~dict internet points |
| 15:52.33 | Wraithan | Nothin like starting your morning with a big cup of coffee. No pun intended. |
| 15:52.37 | Aelobin | AckisWork: what's your /played? |
| 15:52.48 | AckisWork | Aelobin: i dunno 300 or 400 |
| 15:52.49 | nevcairiel | better epeen then no peen at all |
| 15:53.23 | durcyn | Ackis, you better not have more than me, i will fight you |
| 15:53.29 | Aelobin | cylae is 467days, (if they had 12 hours a day for sleep/food/hygiene/health then they spent the last 4 days playing wow for 2/3 of every day) |
| 15:53.36 | Aelobin | *4 years |
| 15:53.55 | Aelobin | durcyn: how much do you have |
| 15:54.03 | durcyn | something like 7100 last i checked |
| 15:54.05 | Wraithan | Food is done during wow time. |
| 15:54.11 | Aelobin | i meant /played :P |
| 15:54.13 | durcyn | oh |
| 15:54.15 | Wraithan | I want my servers back. |
| 15:54.16 | AckisWork | I don't play wow everyday anymore |
| 15:54.19 | Aelobin | :P |
| 15:54.23 | AckisWork | i've moved on |
| 15:54.23 | durcyn | approaching 400, why? |
| 15:54.54 | Aelobin | just wondered :P |
| 15:55.04 | Torhal | AckisWork: Oh, I appreciate that. I just felt like giving you hell since you've had Collectinator sitting there with an ARL shell for months. :) |
| 15:55.23 | nevcairiel | giving ackis he ll is never bad |
| 15:55.25 | nevcairiel | =) |
| 15:55.41 | AckisWork | Torhal: it kinda works I guess, it has the pets listed and does a scan telling you what you're missing along with some basica acquire info |
| 15:55.48 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: it goes in one ear, out the other many |
| 15:56.02 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: but it blocks other traffic! |
| 15:56.18 | Torhal | Ok, folks...be back in about 10 minutes (hopefully) after I slap 4GB of RAM and a new video card in my machine. |
| 15:56.29 | Torhal | AckisWork: I expect your shit to be done when I get back. |
| 15:56.31 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: :P |
| 15:56.31 | Torhal | :D |
| 15:56.36 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:56.41 | Wraithan | An additional 4gb right? |
| 15:56.43 | AckisWork | svn rm ARL? |
| 15:56.44 | Torhal | Wraithan: Aye |
| 15:56.48 | Wraithan | Ah good |
| 15:57.13 | Wraithan | Remember to memtest86 |
| 15:57.22 | Wraithan | Ah, too late. |
| 15:58.31 | cog|work | hrm... why am i only getting server errors on certain threads? O.o |
| 15:58.51 | cog|work | i think my ex-sticky broke the forums... |
| 15:59.06 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881820910&sid=1 |
| 15:59.19 | cog|work | server error anyone? |
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| 16:00.22 | [draco] | yeah |
| 16:00.55 | Anaralx2 | can't access the forums at all |
| 16:00.58 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864849575&sid=1 |
| 16:01.00 | Wraithan | Ever not able to pick what you want to listen to so you put your whole library on random? |
| 16:01.09 | cog|work | Anaralx2: refresh |
| 16:01.09 | [draco] | that one works |
| 16:01.24 | cog|work | everything seems to be working intermittently but that thread (at least that i've tried) |
| 16:01.29 | cog|work | wonder if it's a page count thing |
| 16:01.31 | Wraithan | cog|work: broken to me |
| 16:02.14 | Elkano | Ackis, Torhal is right, polish Collectinator ^^ |
| 16:02.41 | Wraithan | Is there ever anything good in the macro/ui forum. I haven't been on there for a while because I found it useles |
| 16:02.44 | Anaralx2 | I did, I went to wow's home page and accessed the forums that way. |
| 16:02.45 | cog|work | w/e... *waits for realms to come up* |
| 16:03.01 | AckisWork | Elkano: what? you're adding LDB to EBB? ;) |
| 16:03.14 | Stanzilla | and porting it to Ace3, too? |
| 16:03.16 | Wraithan | Why do you need LDB for EBB? |
| 16:03.18 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 16:03.26 | Lopeppeppy | LBD? |
| 16:03.37 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: l2acronym |
| 16:03.40 | AckisWork | lib data broker |
| 16:03.46 | cog|work | Wraithan: of course there is... Lopeppeppy, for one :P |
| 16:03.49 | AckisWork | Lib Data Broker |
| 16:03.53 | AckisWork | Lib DB |
| 16:03.54 | AckisWork | LDB |
| 16:04.00 | AckisWork | see? |
| 16:04.01 | Stanzilla | /clap |
| 16:04.13 | cog|work | Wraithan: actually, the point isn't the good today, if you've been keeping up ;) |
| 16:04.28 | durcyn | someone kickban AckisWork please |
| 16:04.54 | AckisWork | damn didn't work |
| 16:04.56 | Wraithan | cog|work: Aye, tired of the debate, been only talking in here when people don't talk about it lol |
| 16:04.56 | AckisWork | :P |
| 16:05.07 | AckisWork | durcyn: there is no way in hell I'm more annoying than Fisker- |
| 16:05.21 | cog|work | I think a lot of people who are "tired" of the debate have missed subtle shifts in the overall consensus |
| 16:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | I think everyone immersed in the debate at this point, sees what they want to see in the consensus. |
| 16:05.46 | cog|work | There really has been an evolution of feelings on the issues over the last 5 days |
| 16:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | Consensus is in the eye of the beholder. |
| 16:06.06 | Elkano | well, although LDB is my work, too (with a nice polish from tekkub), EBB is fine the way it is currently (Ace2 + FuBar)... no need to force it to something else... though the next generation will ^^ |
| 16:06.32 | AckisWork | Elkano: isn't LDB easy to add? |
| 16:07.01 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: some statistics "law" or "rule" or w/e that i can't remember suggests that if my opinion has changed, then others must have as well |
| 16:07.03 | Elkano | well, I won't do both FuBar and LDB and since it has fubar, use fubar2broker |
| 16:07.08 | cog|work | or something like that |
| 16:07.09 | Wraithan | I haven't ever used the fubar part of EBB, what's it do (not in game due to servers) |
| 16:07.14 | cog|work | law of coincidence? who knows |
| 16:07.15 | Lopeppeppy | "Suggests" |
| 16:07.18 | Wraithan | It just a launcher button? |
| 16:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | Correlation does not imply causality. |
| 16:08.02 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: granted there's an EXTREMELY low signal:noise ratio, but the signal is what counts |
| 16:08.14 | cog|work | im[^h]o |
| 16:08.24 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:08.37 | cog|work | i can understand people not wanting to put up with the noise |
| 16:09.04 | AckisWork | so what's the consensus? |
| 16:09.05 | Wraithan | Yeah, that is why I never bothered with it other than when it showed up in google searches |
| 16:09.12 | AckisWork | blizz sucks, ackis rocks, penis? |
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| 16:09.26 | Wraithan | Ackis rocks the penis. Got it. |
| 16:09.39 | cog|work | blizz sucks ackis' rock penis? |
| 16:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | Signal is also in the eye of the beholder. |
| 16:10.54 | AckisWork | lol |
| 16:11.25 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: just be glad what cog said isn't in the eye of the beholder... that might hurt! hehe |
| 16:11.43 | nevcairiel | I didnt really find that much signal in the 40 pages i read on the weekend |
| 16:11.45 | Lopeppeppy | I think it would be in your eye, I'd probably survive it. |
| 16:12.39 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I think I just got burned |
| 16:12.42 | AckisWork | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 16:12.45 | AckisWork | :P |
| 16:13.02 | nevcairiel | On another note, i _finally_ got the first of the croc pets from the shattrath fishing quest |
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| 16:13.25 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: do you have *any* room to give benefit of the doubt? I understand you're metabitter (bitter about the bitterness) but it seems to be making you unnecessarily biased. Both sides have given ground in meaningful ways. |
| 16:13.34 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: grats dawg |
| 16:13.50 | cog|work | for someone who has tried to stay out of the discussion, you sure are making a lot of assertations about its nature |
| 16:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, I'm not biased toward any side. I think everyone has a point. |
| 16:14.04 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: even me? |
| 16:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | The only statements I've made are meta-statements, about the quality of the discussion. |
| 16:14.39 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis darlin', you're entitled to make your own choices. I'm entitled to put you on ignore if you grate on me. We're all entitled. |
| 16:15.09 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: in response to my statements about the *nature* of the discussion... i think that's where we got mixed up |
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| 16:15.23 | cog|work | 'sall good then :) |
| 16:15.30 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: my point was I wasn't trying to make a point :( |
| 16:15.43 | cog|work | Lunessa: play... |
| 16:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you're too weird! |
| 16:15.51 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:15.54 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: he's part troll |
| 16:15.54 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: that's my point! |
| 16:15.58 | Lunessa | station three |
| 16:16.03 | Anaralx2 | It's very easy to forget click to cast isn't in the game. >.< |
| 16:16.03 | AckisWork | cog|work: tis true |
| 16:17.45 | |Jelly| | Ackis is crashing RL again! ZOMG! |
| 16:17.56 | |Jelly| | Sorry ... random Jelly is random |
| 16:18.07 | Anaralx2 | did they do away with monsterbelly schools? |
| 16:18.52 | Lunessa | Today is Techbot - "The is no COW level ... realy! I repeat: there is no COW level. We, maybe there is ... " |
| 16:18.58 | AckisWork | lua> print("\80\101\110\105\115") |
| 16:18.58 | lua_bot | AckisWork: Penis |
| 16:19.02 | AckisWork | hi |
| 16:22.09 | AckisWork | wow way to kill the channel lua_bot |
| 16:22.24 | durcyn | he had help. |
| 16:23.12 | AckisWork | :D |
| 16:24.39 | Aelobin | AckisWork: lulz |
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| 16:25.11 | Aelobin | AckisWork: i can 1up that :P gimme a min to find the code |
| 16:25.24 | AckisWork | I wonder if converting all my text to that would be obfuscating it? |
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| 16:25.33 | Aelobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.37 | Aelobin | are you making fun of me? :p |
| 16:26.17 | nevcairiel | not in public |
| 16:29.19 | Anaralx2 | Do they plan on giving us keybindings for the Equipment manager? |
| 16:30.10 | durcyn | you should use ClosetGnome for keybindings and quips anyway, the base UI doesn't talk smack when you change sets! |
| 16:31.06 | Aelobin | ah my code doesnt work with lua_bot so nvm :< |
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| 16:31.47 | Anaralx2 | durcyn, I may have to try it, once 3.1 comes around, since outfitter is gone. |
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| 16:32.21 | Aelobin | aha |
| 16:32.25 | Aelobin | lua> local a= ' 'local b="";for i=1,#a/8 do local c=a:sub(i*8-7,i*8);c=c:gsub("\9","\49");c=c:gsub("\32","\48");c=tonumber(c,2);c=string.char(c);b=b..c;end print(b); |
| 16:32.25 | lua_bot | Aelobin: penis |
| 16:32.30 | Aelobin | xD |
| 16:32.35 | Aelobin | i haz penis from nothing |
| 16:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | That's what they all claim. |
| 16:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | *weg* |
| 16:33.08 | Aelobin | xD |
| 16:33.28 | Anaralx2 | You know what would be cool, is if they added the wintergrasp timer to the Wintergrasp buff. |
| 16:36.19 | nevcairiel | like, expires when game starts? |
| 16:36.53 | nevcairiel | at least in 3.1 you can look at the map |
| 16:36.59 | alestane | There are 1337 posts in Cairenn's AddOn Development Policy thread. |
| 16:37.28 | nevcairiel | 1200 too many, if you filter out all the hate |
| 16:38.36 | alestane | I'm not disagreeing with that...it wasn't the quantity I was observing so much as the exact number. |
| 16:38.46 | nevcairiel | I always manage to look at my watch at 13:37 too |
| 16:38.56 | nevcairiel | well not always, but pretty often |
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| 16:39.00 | |Jelly| | 1330 imo |
| 16:39.17 | |Jelly| | Cause odds are, 100 are responding to the hate. :P |
| 16:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | There's something other than hate? |
| 16:40.32 | nevcairiel | I try to believe that some people posting there did try to be reasonable |
| 16:40.41 | |Jelly| | What I want to know is, what do people think they're going to accomplish by coming to the UI and Macros forum and telling the AddOn authors to stop crying like babies. (Pot, kettle as it is ... ) I'm just confused by the whole situation, really. If they don't want to use an addon, don't use it but if this policy doesn't affect you _in any way_ why even bother posting to begin with? |
| 16:41.13 | nevcairiel | What do the authors accomplish by hating on each other? |
| 16:41.28 | |Jelly| | Nothing at all IMO. |
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| 16:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | Troll is as troll does, |Jelly| |
| 16:43.23 | Lopeppeppy | It's **fun** to stir the pot and make sure their voice is heard!!! |
| 16:43.42 | |Jelly| | I've honestly been trying to ignore it all because again, it doesn't affect me and I don't have any of the legal knowledge to attempt to debate BUT, is it safe to assume that Blizzard still hasn't made a statement? |
| 16:43.43 | nevcairiel | I didn't really see a "discussion" there either, people just stated their facts and their believes, and most people flamed the guys with different believes. Maybe 1% actually tried to suggest something useful |
| 16:44.04 | nevcairiel | |Jelly|: not yet, no |
| 16:44.13 | alestane | |Jelly|: Blizzard's last statement was the policy itself, so far as I've seen. |
| 16:45.23 | |Jelly| | Well, today is the day that I said people should start freaking out due to them having yesterday to review and revise but apparently that hasn't happened so, considering that, what's the point of keeping these childish arguments going? |
| 16:45.57 | |Jelly| | BTW, I want to commend Cog and Zorba on their handling of this. I definitely wouldn't want to be in your shoes these days but as far as I've seen, you're handling it very well. |
| 16:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm amazed that anyone thinks there will be a response. |
| 16:46.24 | |Jelly| | At some point, there will be; I'm sure of it. |
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| 16:46.33 | Lopeppeppy | But Jelly, this **WAS** the response. |
| 16:46.59 | Torhal | Feh. |
| 16:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | To months of people in the forums demanding a blue response as to whether obfuscation was allowed, whether for-pay addons were allowed. They threw parts of the ToS/EULA around, and demanded response. |
| 16:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | Here it is. *gentle shrug* |
| 16:47.13 | nevcairiel | Did they even have a post about the Policy themself? |
| 16:47.16 | |Jelly| | Peppy: This is a reaction. There will be a response at some point, but I seriously doubt that it will be in the manner to which people desire. |
| 16:47.19 | nevcairiel | or did someone find the link by accident on te page? |
| 16:47.38 | Etanol | I am looking for a very efficient way to work collaborative on a project, sumultaneously |
| 16:47.38 | Anaralx2 | nev I think someone just noticed it. |
| 16:47.41 | alestane | nevcairiel: Cairenn posted it. |
| 16:47.46 | Legorol | |Jelly|: blizzard has announced lots of stuff int he past. all of them got reactions. they don't tend to justify the announcement later o |
| 16:47.48 | Etanol | coding project |
| 16:47.49 | Legorol | *on |
| 16:48.03 | |Jelly| | Etanol: Doesn't Google Code allow that? |
| 16:48.05 | nevcairiel | alestane: i know that she did, but there was no real post by them to say "hey we have that now", right? |
| 16:48.06 | Etanol | hm |
| 16:48.09 | Legorol | nevcairiel: it was linked from the main page |
| 16:48.20 | Legorol | one of the news articles |
| 16:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 16:48.30 | nevcairiel | It was? hm |
| 16:48.44 | nevcairiel | ah there it is |
| 16:48.47 | alestane | They did not post it *on the forums*. They did from worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml. |
| 16:48.50 | Etanol | does it? |
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| 16:49.05 | Legorol | Also, i'd like to point out that if you think that Blizzard didn't expect violent reactions to the policy, I think you are mistaken. |
| 16:49.21 | Anaralx2 | nevcairiel: Here's all they said: "Weve been continually impressed by the creativity and expertise on display among World of Warcraft user interface add-ons, and have formalized design and distribution guidelines for them to help ensure their integrity, safety, and quality for the community. Please visit the new guidelines page for more information. " |
| 16:49.26 | nevcairiel | Blizzard expects violent reactions to any blue post these days |
| 16:49.27 | Legorol | I'm fairly certain that Blizzard knew that they are going to cause a stir. So they won't be surprised and don't necessarily feel they need to justify it. |
| 16:49.29 | nevcairiel | look at the forums |
| 16:49.31 | |Jelly| | Legorol: But Blizzard (as far as I know) hasn't ever made a sweeping policy change like this. To me (again, layman), it would be irresponsible for them to set forth the policy and then not give some kind of response to it's criticisms, especially considering the nature of the responses. |
| 16:49.45 | Legorol | |Jelly|: this isn't a policy *change* this is a clarification |
| 16:49.57 | nevcairiel | Its not exactly a policy change, seeing how it was pretty much in the dark before |
| 16:50.09 | Lopeppeppy | It was in the ToS/EULA, those were quoted extensively in all the forum debates. |
| 16:50.19 | |Jelly| | So, they're instating new policy? |
| 16:50.26 | Lunessa | Do like: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864749872&sid=1 |
| 16:50.36 | Legorol | |Jelly|: yes, imo |
| 16:50.39 | nevcairiel | Its more of an extension to the guidelines outlined by the ToS |
| 16:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, Lunessa. |
| 16:51.11 | nevcairiel | But i do believe that we'll get some kind of statement at some point, what it contains, i don't want to speculate |
| 16:53.53 | nevcairiel | thats not Mikk |
| 16:53.53 | nevcairiel | ~mikk |
| 16:53.54 | purl | methinks mikk is NOT the guy that wrote MSBT (that's Mikord). Mikk likes fiddling with central libraries and screaming about inefficient code. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 16:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | Whichever mik it is/am/are/was/were |
| 16:53.54 | nevcairiel | ~mikord |
| 16:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone calm and sensible deserves hugs. |
| 16:53.55 | nevcairiel | one of them contained it, i thought |
| 16:53.55 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 16:53.55 | nevcairiel | ~msbt |
| 16:53.56 | purl | rumour has it, msbt is Mikord's Scrolling Battle Text, a possible SCT replacement, found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-2.0.html |
| 16:53.58 | Anaralx2 | Miklord needs a cookie or a huge star sticker. |
| 16:54.02 | nevcairiel | ah purl is just slow |
| 16:54.12 | jnwhiteh | whats going on with mikord? |
| 16:54.20 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864749872&sid=1 |
| 16:54.21 | nevcairiel | do read ^ |
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| 16:54.37 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 16:54.56 | Anaralx2 | It's short, it's to the point, it's thought out. |
| 16:55.10 | Iriel | And best of all, it's not grinding an axe, just making a point. |
| 16:55.16 | Anaralx2 | Aye |
| 16:55.26 | jnwhiteh | *hugs* |
| 16:55.34 | Anaralx2 | It sums up what so many of us feel. |
| 16:55.37 | nevcairiel | Indeed, however, the users will still bash it with the axe |
| 16:55.46 | Anaralx2 | Yeah |
| 16:56.10 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have to agree with anyone, but I can love them when they're rational. |
| 16:56.23 | nevcairiel | its a rare thing these days |
| 16:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | To my sadness |
| 16:56.42 | Anaralx2 | I know there are a couple that asked for donations, but the majority of us do this for free, without even having a paypal link. |
| 16:57.16 | jnwhiteh | i only added paypal links when my users ASKED |
| 16:57.24 | Anaralx2 | Yeah |
| 16:57.28 | Anaralx2 | I remember. |
| 16:57.47 | nevcairiel | I have a link on my wowace page because someone asked once, but not even a line of text with it that asks for donations or anything |
| 16:57.50 | Anaralx2 | It makes sense when your addon is so huge. |
| 16:58.01 | mikma | jnwhiteh: well don't mention the word "donate", just add a small paypal image somewhere haha |
| 16:58.07 | Anaralx2 | lol |
| 16:58.19 | nevcairiel | mikma: thats what i have right now, well the button says "Donate" on it =P |
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| 16:58.35 | mikma | nevcairiel: which it to plain "paypal" |
| 16:58.47 | mikma | people will know what it means wirhout telling tem |
| 16:58.52 | mikma | them! |
| 16:58.55 | nevcairiel | I have no control over the button, i can only tell it which hosted-button-id to use =( |
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| 16:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't tell Tem a thing!! |
| 16:59.10 | jnwhiteh | * Parsing full database, generating LightHeaded data |
| 16:59.10 | jnwhiteh | Total number of comments: 74457 |
| 16:59.11 | jnwhiteh | Total number of quests: 7769 |
| 16:59.13 | jnwhiteh | Comments per bucket: 14891 |
| 16:59.21 | nevcairiel | can has bucket? |
| 16:59.57 | Anaralx2 | I could have sworn paypal allowed for image buttons with no text, just a logo... |
| 17:00.07 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen tem |
| 17:00.35 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 20m 35s ago, saying: 'I do need sleep, though'. |
| 17:00.35 | nevcairiel | Anaralx2: i think they have some, yeah |
| 17:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, sleep is good. |
| 17:00.49 | nevcairiel | But the wowace project page generates the button off my id, so shrug |
| 17:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | purl, thank you |
| 17:00.54 | purl | Lopeppeppy: bitte |
| 17:00.55 | Anaralx2 | Bah, it's highly overrated |
| 17:01.01 | mikma | just add a thet "paypal" in your addon, i bet thats not against the policy because you dont remind them, its just available |
| 17:01.04 | nevcairiel | I got 2 donations, ever |
| 17:01.09 | nevcairiel | totalling 15 USD |
| 17:01.12 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 17:01.22 | DKluge | is it back on yet |
| 17:01.22 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure i could maek a lot more if i added nag screens |
| 17:01.27 | jnwhiteh | but that's not what i want |
| 17:01.37 | nevcairiel | Yeah i was wondering with the whole discussion and al |
| 17:01.43 | nevcairiel | how much would i make if i ask ingame.. |
| 17:01.47 | nevcairiel | not like i would |
| 17:01.49 | nevcairiel | but still |
| 17:01.51 | nevcairiel | just curious =) |
| 17:01.57 | Anaralx2 | heh |
| 17:02.04 | nevcairiel | according to some people it works magic |
| 17:02.26 | alestane | cog|work: Are there turkeys? We passed a small flock on the way to a friend's last night. |
| 17:02.27 | mikma | 4k over 10 days? |
| 17:02.48 | Anaralx2 | I think all of us are... but only Zorba was bold enough to ask in game... at least directly. I know ckknight has a paypal link in cart3. |
| 17:02.59 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 17:03.06 | cog|work | alestane: yeah, there's a flock of turkeys that wanders around our vineyard following a peacock |
| 17:03.09 | jnwhiteh | or Carbonite... |
| 17:03.20 | nevcairiel | Well a link somewhere in the about panel is like, nothing |
| 17:03.25 | nevcairiel | he never asked actively |
| 17:03.26 | Iriel | Our next door but one neighbor raises turkeys too |
| 17:03.32 | Anaralx2 | but carbonite is a paid service, not just a person asking for appreciation |
| 17:03.33 | alestane | If you actually have a peacock than that's awesome. |
| 17:03.35 | Iriel | sometimes they're wandering through my car port when I come home |
| 17:03.42 | Anaralx2 | nevcairiel: aye |
| 17:03.46 | |Jelly| | ... and Zorba's request was so non obtrusive that I nor any of my friends that use QH have ever seen it. |
| 17:03.47 | nevcairiel | catch one, dinner? =) |
| 17:03.50 | Anaralx2 | I like the indirect route |
| 17:03.53 | DKluge | are there addons that make wow run faster? my laptop heats up and the framerate sux. |
| 17:04.02 | DKluge | before it heats up it runs fine |
| 17:04.04 | mikma | hahha |
| 17:04.13 | mikma | yeah addons can cool doew your computer |
| 17:04.14 | ckknight | lulz |
| 17:04.15 | nevcairiel | DKluge: get one of those laptop coolers? |
| 17:04.23 | DKluge | got 1.. it helps a lot. |
| 17:04.32 | Anaralx2 | DKluge: What are the notebook's specs? |
| 17:04.40 | DKluge | well ive seen an addon that supposedly clears trash from your ram.. |
| 17:04.50 | Lopeppeppy | Your girlfriend or his, Jelly? |
| 17:04.55 | mikma | and that helps because? |
| 17:04.56 | |Jelly| | His. |
| 17:05.00 | DKluge | its 3gb ram, video card uses shared ram.. its dualcore 1.8 amd something |
| 17:05.07 | NeoTron | mikma: less bits are lit up! |
| 17:05.15 | |Jelly| | Apparently when I started talking about Parroting his FuBar the other day, it got a little too hot. :P |
| 17:05.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | Is "parroting" a new euphamism I need to put on my list? |
| 17:05.53 | Legorol | Does anyone know off the top of their heads what font and font size the default chat frame uses? |
| 17:05.57 | Anaralx2 | DKluge I'd suggest you turn down your graphics and such |
| 17:06.03 | ckknight | Legorol: ChatFontNormal |
| 17:06.04 | ckknight | <.< |
| 17:06.05 | ckknight | >.> |
| 17:06.08 | Anaralx2 | lol |
| 17:06.18 | |Jelly| | ... we wont go into the exact words but no Peppy, definitely not. |
| 17:06.19 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:06.19 | DKluge | i noticed one thing that helped was turning my resolution up to maximum |
| 17:06.20 | Anaralx2 | It's 12 friz I think |
| 17:06.21 | Lopeppeppy | FritzQuadrata? |
| 17:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | I trust you, Jelly-dear |
| 17:06.46 | nevcairiel | DKluge: increasing resolution improves performance? really? i need that magic =) |
| 17:06.52 | DKluge | maybe if i try a different screen |
| 17:07.04 | DKluge | nevcairiel its because its a lcd with native resolution, any lower res requires rescaling |
| 17:07.26 | nevcairiel | I would think that rescaling is faster then rendering at a higher res |
| 17:07.35 | nevcairiel | Or i would hope, rather |
| 17:07.47 | Iriel | nevcairiel: I suspect that depends how it's implemented, laptops sometimes cut bizarre corners |
| 17:07.58 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 17:08.07 | DKluge | in this case 1440x900 runs about the same framerate as 800x600. |
| 17:08.09 | DKluge | its weird. |
| 17:08.46 | DKluge | which is around 18-20 which is tolerable to me.. but then it just suddenly slows down i guess cuz its heated up cuz it only does it when its warm. |
| 17:08.57 | DKluge | then i get like 10fps and gotta quit or go on my pc |
| 17:09.32 | DKluge | maybe if i installed xp |
| 17:09.32 | nevcairiel | It maybe smart enough to decrease performance in order to not over heat |
| 17:09.34 | Legorol | ckknight: thanks, that didn't really help the question though :) |
| 17:09.40 | Legorol | i guess i'll have to go dig UI files |
| 17:09.49 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.52 | cog|work | turkeys: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=64747&id=563064469&l=8f49311f2c There's three of 'em but i only captured 2 at once |
| 17:10.10 | ckknight | note that it's different between western WoWs and Asian |
| 17:10.18 | Lopeppeppy | ooh, nice display on that last picture. |
| 17:10.21 | cog|work | cute feathered dinosaurs |
| 17:10.39 | nevcairiel | Legorol: ChatFontNormal is Fonts\ARIALN.TTF at size 14 |
| 17:10.49 | Legorol | nevcairiel: awesome, thanks |
| 17:11.00 | ckknight | cog|work: looks delicious. |
| 17:11.03 | nevcairiel | also, with a shadow |
| 17:11.30 | NeoTron | DKluge: just seems like you have a laptop with insufficient cooling for 3D gaming. Nothing much to do about it other than tryign to cool your laptop down with external measures |
| 17:11.33 | alestane | What I find strange about my laptop is that I have to turn on "Decrease Input Lag" or my animation gets really jerky. But when we did the Forgotten Shore quests last night the death effect caused my whole game world to turn gray and run at about 1 fps until I turned "Decrease Input Lag" back off. |
| 17:11.46 | alestane | Yep, dem's turkeys all right. |
| 17:11.57 | nevcairiel | Yeah the input lag option is really weird |
| 17:12.04 | nevcairiel | it can seriously limit your FPS |
| 17:12.16 | nevcairiel | but on low-fps machines it also helps with the jerky cursors |
| 17:12.20 | DKluge | interesting alestane |
| 17:12.28 | Gnarfoz | I asked it recently: what does that thing actually do? |
| 17:12.40 | Gnarfoz | do I remember correctly it was something with framelevel management? oO |
| 17:12.50 | NeoTron | decrease framerate to put more cpu on the cursor rendering logic? :P |
| 17:12.59 | Gnarfoz | cpu rendering what? hardware cursor! |
| 17:13.00 | alestane | nevcairiel: It's not the cursor that gets jerky with it off, it's the whole WoW animation. |
| 17:13.15 | NeoTron | I really have no clue what it does. seems like one of those magic options |
| 17:13.22 | nevcairiel | alestane: really? as i understood that option, its just meant to synchronize the cursor input better with the ingame reactions |
| 17:13.24 | NeoTron | but are they using hardware cursors? |
| 17:13.30 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 17:13.38 | alestane | nevcairiel: I don't claim to understand it. |
| 17:13.40 | Gnarfoz | that's what the "hardware cursor" checkbox is for :D |
| 17:14.01 | nevcairiel | Well I'm probably totally wrong about that option too |
| 17:14.09 | nevcairiel | we need some DirectX exper =) |
| 17:14.28 | nevcairiel | +t |
| 17:14.40 | Gnarfoz | or some blizz guy who knows what the hell the options do :D |
| 17:14.56 | Gnarfoz | *then* we can ask an dx expert what to translate ^^ |
| 17:14.56 | nevcairiel | We could try to ask the zoot when he coems back |
| 17:14.59 | Gnarfoz | -what |
| 17:15.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah, teh zoot would probably be a good bet :> |
| 17:15.18 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what the REALM_ONLY_INSTANCE thing is about. |
| 17:15.20 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 17:15.24 | NeoTron | there';s some new mystery options on the ptr too |
| 17:15.30 | nevcairiel | mistery? |
| 17:15.31 | Gnarfoz | texture projection what? |
| 17:15.32 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:15.38 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: exactly |
| 17:15.39 | Gnarfoz | still haven't figured out what they mean by that |
| 17:15.53 | nevcairiel | they kinda explained texture projection, they said it was split out of spell detail or something |
| 17:15.54 | NeoTron | but the mouseover help us useful "turns on texture projections" or whatever |
| 17:15.59 | nevcairiel | so you can toggle it seperately |
| 17:16.00 | Gnarfoz | kd3: is the newest diff mail in the pipeline btw? ^^ |
| 17:16.06 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: long arrived |
| 17:16.09 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 17:16.10 | NeoTron | but what _is_ texture projections?' |
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| 17:16.22 | Gnarfoz | not for me :( |
| 17:16.24 | Gnarfoz | kd3 </3 me |
| 17:16.32 | nevcairiel | google to the rescue |
| 17:16.35 | NeoTron | hrm I didn't get it either |
| 17:16.41 | Gnarfoz | yeah, gotta check gmail spam filter |
| 17:16.45 | Gnarfoz | why ever it would catch it |
| 17:16.56 | alestane | NeoTron: Things like the consecrate and D&D ground effects, I think. |
| 17:17.03 | Gnarfoz | yep, went into spam |
| 17:17.03 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 17:17.21 | nevcairiel | i got it through gmail too |
| 17:17.22 | nevcairiel | no spam |
| 17:17.52 | NeoTron | ok so if there's an option for that... it should be separated between friendly and enemy |
| 17:18.00 | nevcairiel | thats too much |
| 17:18.07 | nevcairiel | you contorl the gfx engine with that |
| 17:18.14 | nevcairiel | it doesnt care where its from |
| 17:18.17 | Gnarfoz | doubt that the gfx engine would be aware of such distinctions ^^ |
| 17:18.18 | Gnarfoz | or should be |
| 17:18.28 | NeoTron | then it's pretty pointless anyway |
| 17:18.46 | NeoTron | rather it's not useful if it's not a performance issue |
| 17:18.53 | nevcairiel | It was designed so you can control the spell-cast-details and the projected ground effects seperately |
| 17:19.04 | NeoTron | where I was hoping of desecration not being horrible because you can't see the ground aoe effects |
| 17:19.04 | nevcairiel | for performance reason. |
| 17:19.20 | nevcairiel | crappy looking firebolts, but still fully rendered ground-effects = win |
| 17:19.22 | NeoTron | especially now when desecration appears to be useful |
| 17:20.28 | nevcairiel | Thats where the new void-zones are actually pretty nice, you seem through mostly anything |
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| 17:20.39 | nevcairiel | a consecration is pretty much hidden by desecration |
| 17:20.40 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 17:20.40 | Wraithan | I wish I could turn off the damned welps in sarth, on 3d trying to see through that and all the ground effects while healing and stuff, I still miss the void zones sometimes |
| 17:20.43 | NeoTron | grobbulus |
| 17:20.44 | NeoTron | ugh |
| 17:20.53 | nevcairiel | yeah that too =P |
| 17:21.16 | nevcairiel | Wraithan: i just stand away from the whelp spawn points, if they reach me, i yell at the tank =) |
| 17:21.20 | NeoTron | his ground aoe is (to me, being color blind at least) almost identical in color to desecration |
| 17:21.27 | Wraithan | nevcairiel: you a healer? |
| 17:21.30 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:21.46 | Wraithan | tank or aoe? I am doing AoE heals the whole time, whelps bee-line for me |
| 17:22.09 | nevcairiel | on S3D on 10man, there is no such distinction, you heal everything and anything |
| 17:22.15 | Wraithan | 25man |
| 17:22.25 | Wraithan | 10man is easier to see it, less going on |
| 17:22.28 | nevcairiel | Its more extreme and notable on 10man :) |
| 17:22.38 | nevcairiel | actually the stuff going on is about the same |
| 17:22.45 | nevcairiel | except that you have 15 less people standin aorund |
| 17:22.59 | Wraithan | 15 players less of spell effects |
| 17:23.03 | nevcairiel | but on 25man you can get away with moving alot more and paying more attention |
| 17:23.17 | nevcairiel | (and less healing, due to that) |
| 17:23.49 | Wraithan | We've been short healers the last two weeks or so, so I can't heal less lol |
| 17:23.50 | nevcairiel | 2 healers on 10 man is a bit more challenging, one on the MT, one on the add/drake/raid |
| 17:24.14 | nevcairiel | granted we had a pally on MT that had beacon on the whelp tank |
| 17:24.15 | Wraithan | Yeah, that is how we usually do it |
| 17:24.16 | nevcairiel | that helped alot |
| 17:24.28 | Wraithan | Haha, was about to say the same thing |
| 17:24.51 | Wraithan | I am raid heals, while the pally does his thing on the MT |
| 17:24.58 | Wraithan | <- shaman |
| 17:25.04 | Torhal | Meh. PTR crashes at EULA screen under Wine. |
| 17:25.06 | nevcairiel | <- druid |
| 17:25.09 | nevcairiel | Torhal: hah |
| 17:25.21 | nevcairiel | Torhal: set the cvar for "have read eula" ? :) |
| 17:25.34 | Torhal | At least, I'm assuming it's the EULA, since I don't see a damn thing but hear the "bang" sound. |
| 17:25.44 | Torhal | Gonna try that now. |
| 17:25.56 | durcyn | it looks like it's the bit that checks for a patch based on the wine stderr |
| 17:26.22 | Torhal | SET readTOS "1" |
| 17:26.22 | Torhal | SET readEULA "1" |
| 17:26.23 | durcyn | i ended up having to rsync the client from a windows box last time around |
| 17:26.24 | Torhal | Feh. |
| 17:26.26 | nevcairiel | Doesnt patch checking only occur in the launcer and on login? |
| 17:26.34 | Torhal | durcyn: It patched fine. |
| 17:26.37 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Yes |
| 17:26.43 | nevcairiel | SET readTerminationWithoutNotice "1" |
| 17:26.45 | nevcairiel | i have that too |
| 17:26.49 | Wraithan | http://academicearth.org/ wow, this is neat |
| 17:27.19 | Torhal | Nope. Instant death. |
| 17:27.23 | Torhal | Google! |
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| 17:28.34 | nevcairiel | no runonce.wtf? |
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| 17:31.10 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Aha, there is. |
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| 17:38.54 | alestane | http://academicearth.org/lectures/introduction-starcraft as a lecture in the Berkeley Economics department. WIN. |
| 17:40.16 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I had to edit the Config.wtf to remove window maximization :) |
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| 17:46.03 | mikma | oh wow.. |
| 17:46.11 | mikma | [19:45:52] OS 3 drakes begins in 15 minutes. |
| 17:46.20 | mikma | guild calendar ^^ |
| 17:49.14 | Anaralx2 | Good luck to your guild |
| 17:50.56 | mikma | not mine but thanks |
| 17:50.56 | JackBurton7676 | how many times an hour are you guys checking server status. =/ |
| 17:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not, at all. |
| 17:51.59 | alestane | I've checked twice since 12:30. But I'm not at work. |
| 17:52.41 | Anaralx2 | I've got the page open on two monitors... |
| 17:53.21 | Anaralx2 | And at two if the launcher page doesn't say that they've extended, I'll have the client up. |
| 17:55.06 | Anaralx2 | Wow, only two responses to Mikord's thread. Would have thought that it would get a little more attention. Heh. |
| 17:56.17 | Lopeppeppy | calm and rational doesn't appeal to trolls? |
| 17:56.33 | Wraithan | Yay, some of the servers are up already |
| 17:57.33 | Wraithan | ~alert |
| 17:57.34 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 17:57.59 | Wraithan | Maybe it was another channel |
| 17:58.34 | Wraithan | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert there we go |
| 17:58.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ~serveralert |
| 17:58.55 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, could have sworn there was a purl trigger for that. *shrug* |
| 17:58.58 | durcyn | ~wowalert |
| 17:58.58 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 17:59.00 | durcyn | pow. |
| 17:59.06 | NightHawkTheSane | there we go |
| 17:59.06 | Wraithan | Ah ha! |
| 17:59.10 | Wraithan | It was hiding. |
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| 18:00.14 | JackBurton7676 | about a dozen servers will be down longer http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 18:00.35 | JackBurton7676 | wrong window sorry |
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| 18:01.50 | DKluge | can anyone recommend winamp plugin for wow? |
| 18:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | Not exactly such a thing. |
| 18:02.19 | [draco] | I'm using my G15, works fine |
| 18:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | There are a few addons that will help you import your music into WoW and run inside WoW. Or you can run winamp and maybe overlay it. |
| 18:02.24 | Kraft | i use the global hotkeys for winamp |
| 18:02.26 | Gnarfoz | windamp has global hotkeys |
| 18:02.26 | [draco] | but, yeah |
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| 18:02.29 | Lopeppeppy | Or you can use the G15, or hotkeys. |
| 18:02.39 | DKluge | oh global hotkeys will do i guess lol ty |
| 18:02.53 | Kraft | :)] |
| 18:05.40 | Anaralx2 | I thought shiibot was supposed to announce when and what the launcher messages are? |
| 18:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | I think that got disabled recently due to the pretty bot getting confused. |
| 18:06.48 | Anaralx2 | Oh |
| 18:07.24 | Lunessa | Most modern keyboards have specialty keys for your music player too. |
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| 18:22.28 | DKluge | oh i dug some old crt out of the closet and put it on my laptop, the framerate is a lot better now. the scaling/high res was the problem. |
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| 18:32.45 | pwntang | hello |
| 18:33.13 | pwntang | can someone help me pls? |
| 18:33.25 | cog|work | ~asktoask |
| 18:33.26 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 18:33.35 | Fisker- | cog|work i need help |
| 18:33.42 | cog|work | Fisker-: i know |
| 18:34.53 | cog|work | Fisker-: http://tinyurl.com/cuwoso |
| 18:35.31 | pwntang | I'm new to writing addons, and many of the examples have included a frame of some kind using xml |
| 18:35.52 | pwntang | what do I do with the xml when I want an addon simply to respond to an event? |
| 18:36.01 | pwntang | ie, no frame or user interface |
| 18:36.09 | cog|work | you don't need it in that case |
| 18:36.16 | pwntang | no xml at all? |
| 18:36.18 | cog|work | yep |
| 18:36.28 | cog|work | sec |
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| 18:36.51 | alestane | In WoW, you still need a frame to receive the event, but the frame can have no visible content, or not be anchored in the display space. You can create the frame using minimal XML or a Lua CreateFrame call. |
| 18:37.00 | cog|work | pwntang: http://www.wowwiki.com/Handling_events |
| 18:37.34 | pwntang | is that where you set the frame to hidden? |
| 18:37.40 | cog|work | no |
| 18:37.53 | cog|work | frames are invisible unless you tell them to have something visible |
| 18:37.58 | cog|work | (e.g. by using a template) |
| 18:38.29 | cog|work | they don't even exist anywhere on the screen if you don't give them a size and anchor points |
| 18:38.45 | cog|work | so you would just create an empty frame with createframe and add an event handler to it |
| 18:38.53 | cog|work | as described in that link |
| 18:38.54 | Xinhuan | tying 2 nicks to an account seems rather confusing... |
| 18:39.09 | cog|work | Xinhuan: yeah, it was easier with the old nickserv |
| 18:39.16 | Xinhuan | how do i do it again |
| 18:39.22 | cog|work | you have to log in with your main account, change to the new nick, then /msg nickserv group |
| 18:39.47 | Xinhuan | but it just tells me |
| 18:39.48 | Xinhuan | -NickServ- Nick NM|Xinhuan is already registered to NM|Xinhuan. |
| 18:39.54 | Xinhuan | which doesn't seem right |
| 18:39.55 | cog|work | yeah, then you have to ungroup |
| 18:40.02 | cog|work | change to that nick, /msg nickserv ungroup |
| 18:40.02 | Xinhuan | uh what? ungroup? |
| 18:40.08 | cog|work | or something like that |
| 18:40.14 | cog|work | /msg nickserv help |
| 18:41.25 | NM|Xinhuan | -NickServ- Nick NM|Xinhuan is your account name; you may not remove it. |
| 18:41.26 | NM|Xinhuan | >.> |
| 18:41.40 | pwntang | cog: thanks for the help. I'll take a look at the wiki. I'm pretty sure I get what you're saying. |
| 18:41.57 | cog|work | np :) |
| 18:43.19 | foxlit | They expire after some amount of time, anyhow |
| 18:44.05 | foxlit | 'setfenv' cannot change environment of given object |
| 18:44.08 | foxlit | I wonder why |
| 18:44.14 | NM|Xinhuan | ok its telling me Xinhuan is registered to Xinhuan, and NM|Xinhuan is registered to NM|Xinhuan |
| 18:44.22 | NM|Xinhuan | so i can't group one nick into the other nick |
| 18:44.32 | NM|Xinhuan | /facepalm |
| 18:44.44 | End | try drop? |
| 18:45.05 | NM|Xinhuan | trying >.> |
| 18:46.00 | Xinhuan | -NickServ- Nick NM|Xinhuan is now registered to your account. |
| 18:46.05 | Xinhuan | that sure took a lot of effort lol |
| 18:46.20 | End | hehe |
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| 18:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | I'm happy with just one nickname. |
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| 18:52.51 | kneeki | Is there a way to return the player data from recount in a script or so? All I want is player data, not the whole raid, to be placed in the DEFAULT_CHAT window |
| 18:53.00 | Xinhuan | so i see a post on the forums |
| 18:53.04 | Xinhuan | click "View all posts by this user" |
| 18:53.10 | Xinhuan | ----> No matches found! |
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| 18:55.03 | Fisker- | haha |
| 18:55.13 | Fisker- | Blizzard either fucked up again or started advertising for other products as well |
| 18:55.16 | Fisker- | gg |
| 18:55.35 | Fisker- | flash ads as well |
| 18:55.38 | Fisker- | keylogers ahoy! |
| 18:56.03 | Anaralx2 | oh yay |
| 18:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | Flashing keyloggers, where!? |
| 18:56.11 | durcyn | adzapper and noscript > |
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| 18:57.01 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=18535&sid=1 for example :P |
| 18:57.34 | pwntang | how would I get a lua script to press a button, for example, if someone invites me to a group how can I get the accept button to be pressed? |
| 18:57.42 | pwntang | is it even possible? |
| 18:57.56 | durcyn | StaticPopup1Button1:Click() |
| 18:58.06 | pwntang | ah, k...thanks loads |
| 18:58.41 | alestane | Or just AcceptGroupInvite(), I think, although that might not close the box. |
| 18:58.44 | durcyn | which is a horrible thing to do, there should be an event and an accept function for your specific example |
| 18:58.51 | durcyn | ^ |
| 18:59.08 | pwntang | absolutely, which there will be |
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| 19:02.50 | Lunessa | I think you have my stapler. |
| 19:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I'm just gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday. |
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| 19:13.09 | Beladona | bst-movie-evah |
| 19:13.19 | Lyn | does SetTopLevel() work on text strings? :x |
| 19:14.01 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#FontString |
| 19:14.05 | Lyn | ty |
| 19:14.49 | cog|work | only frames can have levels afaik |
| 19:15.16 | Beladona | a frame containing your fontstring could though |
| 19:15.26 | Beladona | if you go as far as to give it its own |
| 19:15.42 | cog|work | you can also rais it to a new draw layer |
| 19:15.52 | cog|work | depending on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 19:16.20 | Beladona | playing with frame levels, and drawlayers, can be fun when trying to create a multi-layer frame |
| 19:16.23 | Beladona | like unitframes |
| 19:16.51 | cog|work | and don't forget strata! |
| 19:16.52 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:16.58 | Lyn | i am working on the portrait frame atm :) |
| 19:17.24 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/How_the_user_interface_is_rendered <-- this might help |
| 19:17.52 | Lyn | seems to work now :) |
| 19:18.16 | Lyn | had a background, a model (portrait), and a font string.. sometimes the portrait was behind the background.. but got it now \o/ |
| 19:18.20 | Lyn | ty |
| 19:19.13 | cog|work | fwiw, it was designed that way so that the "background" would properly mask the portrait |
| 19:20.53 | Beladona | I have an oUF layout I am playing with that resembles Star Ocean unit frames (I have been playing that recently) |
| 19:21.11 | Beladona | pretty easy to do actually |
| 19:21.17 | Beladona | since its just the model, and the statusbars |
| 19:21.20 | Lyn | http://www.ps3blog.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/star-ocean-till-end-time-1.jpg this one? |
| 19:21.40 | DWSR | Did they close the PTRs? |
| 19:21.44 | AckisWork | man I'm gonna make like $250 for my dog having sex... /hi5 |
| 19:22.10 | Beladona | this one: http://moofles.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/star-ocean-the-last-hope-20090130103828077.jpg |
| 19:22.10 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, not that I know of. Could be maintenance. |
| 19:22.11 | Lyn | http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/254/939444_20070912_screen001.jpg uh this is hawt Beladona |
| 19:22.11 | durcyn | what if your dog can't get it up, Ackis |
| 19:22.11 | NeoTron | AckisWork: brand dog? |
| 19:22.11 | Beladona | thats not Star Ocean |
| 19:22.12 | Beladona | Lyn: |
| 19:22.15 | Lyn | orly? |
| 19:22.18 | AckisWork | durcyn: he had a boner this morning :P |
| 19:22.20 | Lyn | google search sucks |
| 19:22.22 | Lyn | \o/ |
| 19:22.22 | AckisWork | NeoTron: pom |
| 19:22.28 | AckisWork | NeoTron: really tiny pom |
| 19:22.29 | durcyn | Ackis: what, you checked? |
| 19:22.36 | NeoTron | ... |
| 19:22.39 | AckisWork | durcyn: he rolled onto his back :P |
| 19:22.54 | AckisWork | durcyn: and he has massive balls for such a little puppy... makes his dad proud |
| 19:23.18 | Beladona | Lyn: I think it was because the same page that image is on, also discusses Star Ocean |
| 19:23.24 | Lyn | y |
| 19:23.27 | Lyn | it was, my bad |
| 19:23.45 | Beladona | I see it all the time, when I was looking for screencaps to use as reference during the layout setup |
| 19:23.54 | DWSR | Here's a question: Why can't WoW update its graphics to look better? |
| 19:23.57 | Beladona | its like one of teh top ones google finds, stupid thing |
| 19:24.07 | Beladona | they can |
| 19:24.19 | Beladona | define better? |
| 19:24.57 | DWSR | I dunno, more like that picture? |
| 19:25.19 | DWSR | They're smoother. Curves are...welll...curved |
| 19:25.50 | cog|work | DWSR: wow is purposefully designed to run on oldish hardware |
| 19:25.54 | alestane | WoW has a fairly low min spec. |
| 19:26.05 | cog|work | the beauty is in the artwork, not in the number of polygons on a model |
| 19:26.06 | Beladona | the style wow was going for was more like wc3 |
| 19:26.17 | Thunder_Child | lies cog|work, lies |
| 19:26.19 | Beladona | just larger scale |
| 19:26.33 | DWSR | cog|work: Except for I think that some of the beauty gets lost due to low polygon count. |
| 19:26.38 | NeoTron | I'd say that that statement was true for vanilla (is true even maybe) |
| 19:26.45 | cog|work | and they *have* increased the sysreqs in each of the expansions |
| 19:26.55 | NeoTron | but for WotLK the specs (for nice acceptable performance) are not exactly LOW even if they aren't Conan high |
| 19:26.59 | Thunder_Child | esp with shadow set to 6 ;p |
| 19:27.00 | Lyn | aww star ocean only on xbox360, Beladona :< |
| 19:27.03 | Thunder_Child | :p* |
| 19:27.05 | cog|work | BC content was a lot prettier than classic |
| 19:27.11 | cog|work | and Wrath content is a lot prettier that bc |
| 19:27.13 | cog|work | in that respect |
| 19:27.16 | DWSR | Sort of. |
| 19:27.23 | Beladona | Lyn: yeah. unfortunately. You would like it methinks. Is one of the better rpg I have played |
| 19:27.27 | DWSR | The textures *do* look a lot nicer. |
| 19:27.36 | Beladona | I am not even halfway through and have logged about 30 hours |
| 19:27.57 | cog|work | hell, i'll take dynamic shadows over a two-fold increase in polygon density any day ;) |
| 19:27.59 | Lyn | Beladona, too bad we only have a ps3... so we only have around 2 good rpgs with round-based or nearly round based battle modes ... :< |
| 19:28.15 | Beladona | is the next FF gonna be on PS3? |
| 19:28.22 | Beladona | I know they said it would be on X360 |
| 19:28.30 | DWSR | But again, I would love to see some more polygons in models. |
| 19:29.08 | Beladona | Lyn: one of the things that sets Star Ocean apart is that despite still using a somewhat turn-based style, it FEELS very free-form and fluid. You can attack, and even dodge attacks freely |
| 19:29.32 | Beladona | within reason. Some attacks are too hard to dodge, obviously |
| 19:30.02 | Lyn | nice :) |
| 19:30.11 | Lyn | sounds a bit like eternal sonata |
| 19:30.28 | DWSR | cog|work: I think that the only thing lacking in WoW atm is more polygons in the models. |
| 19:30.50 | DWSR | as far as graphics is concerned anyway |
| 19:31.24 | alestane | I think some of the PTRs have poked around the idea of using higher-resolution textures and models for the players, anyway. |
| 19:32.02 | cog|work | DWSR: textures are one thing... since they have original artwork they can scan them at a higher res |
| 19:32.09 | cog|work | but models are an entirely different beast |
| 19:32.11 | durcyn | now if only the wow graphics engine wasn't so effing CPU-bound |
| 19:32.33 | cog|work | There's virtually no way they'd be able to go through all the existing content and magically double the poly count |
| 19:32.37 | Thunder_Child | they might be able to port it to the GPU with the new stuff coming out |
| 19:32.49 | DWSR | Oh yeah, I understand that. |
| 19:33.03 | alestane | well, if I'm remembering right, the blood elf and draenei player models are higher-count than the other eight races. |
| 19:33.07 | DWSR | durcyn: Yeah, I've noticed other games that run a good bit better than WoW does and look a LOT better. |
| 19:33.18 | DWSR | I know that they're updating a bunch of textures for 3.1 |
| 19:33.23 | alestane | Someone was talking about the possibility of at least redoing those sixteen models. |
| 19:34.27 | cog|work | WoW's problem is the sheer number of different textures that can exist in any one place. Most games have built-in design limits... e.g. all units of the same type not only have the same model but all the same textures as well |
| 19:35.05 | cog|work | the more players in a close area, the more combinations of models and textures |
| 19:36.04 | cog|work | notice how most framerate drops are in large population concentrations in wow |
| 19:36.48 | DWSR | My framerate really only drops because I've got a low amount of RAM and I can hear the HDD thrashing on the pagefile. |
| 19:37.05 | cog|work | thrashing around to load all those textures :P |
| 19:37.06 | kneeki | Is it best while in an OnUpdate, to check for the state of a frame (visibility) and if true, then hide it; or just hide it without the check |
| 19:37.21 | cog|work | :Hide does the check for you |
| 19:37.26 | kneeki | oh? |
| 19:37.30 | kneeki | I had no idea, thanks =) |
| 19:37.39 | cog|work | and i don't think it triggers OnHide either |
| 19:38.09 | cog|work | it would be pretty silly to make it Error: That frame is already hidden :P |
| 19:38.13 | alestane | AFAIK OnHide and OnShow trigger when a frame's actual visibility changes. |
| 19:38.28 | alestane | Including when they are shown or hidden because a parent was. |
| 19:38.53 | cog|work | so if you :show a frame whose parent is hidden, you don't get the onshow? |
| 19:39.04 | kneeki | What out moving a frame, and it's contents? Should I do a check of a variable, and if true, clear the points of a frame and reset them, every update, or only do the move once? |
| 19:39.10 | alestane | Not until the parent gets shown, IUIC. |
| 19:39.42 | cog|work | kneeki: if you don't need to move it to a NEW spot each frame, you shouldn't need to mess with it after the initial setpoint |
| 19:39.48 | alestane | I just use :StartMoving and :StopMovingOrSizing. |
| 19:40.01 | kneeki | hmm, ok |
| 19:40.25 | cog|work | hmm... kneeki "im moving" = you physically moving the frame, or your code moving the frame? |
| 19:40.36 | kneeki | code moving |
| 19:40.42 | kneeki | clearallpoints(); frame:setpoint() |
| 19:40.43 | Beladona | you could also set a variable after you move it, and do a check for that variable. but yeah, moving Onupdate probably isn't necessary |
| 19:40.55 | kneeki | Beladona: That's what I was about to do |
| 19:41.03 | cog|work | kneeki: assuming your setpoint is always setting the SAME points, you shouldn't nead clearallpoints first |
| 19:41.03 | kneeki | I was curious if it was worth the time investment |
| 19:42.00 | Beladona | if you have to use an OnUpdate to get something moved, that would indicate to me something wrong elsewhere. Unless you are moving something that DOES get moved periodically from a function not your own? |
| 19:42.15 | Beladona | and evne then, there are usually alternatives |
| 19:42.20 | kneeki | well, it would really only be moved when the player logs in |
| 19:42.38 | Beladona | do it on the PEW event then, or something similar |
| 19:42.39 | kneeki | then it shouldn't be moved after, because it's going on the existance of another addon |
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| 19:47.52 | Thunder_Child | <CtrlAltElite> |
| 19:47.54 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 19:49.53 | Fisker- | how clever and witty Thunder_Child |
| 19:50.42 | Beladona | add dashes in there. I would do it |
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| 20:04.12 | Lunessa | So, I added this text to my article on troubleshooting addons under vista " Edit: 03/24/2009 I considered removing this article in response to Blizzard's new stance on UI modifications, but have decided to leave it as a public service. However, I will no longer be responding or assisting users in this thread." |
| 20:04.43 | DWSR | It's sad to see so many authors protesting the UI policy.\ |
| 20:04.52 | DWSR | Mostly becaues it hurts me. |
| 20:04.56 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:05.03 | cog|work | htop |
| 20:05.06 | cog|work | err.. mt |
| 20:06.26 | Lunessa | cog|work: I was really torn over removing my article or not. This is the compromise my conscience and principles allow me to reach. |
| 20:06.26 | AckisWork | Lunessa: delete the article :P go for the guts and glory man! |
| 20:06.48 | DWSR | Lunessa: Go for broke. Remove it. |
| 20:07.23 | cog|work | Lunessa: put it up on wowwiki perphaps? |
| 20:07.29 | cog|work | perhaps* |
| 20:07.37 | Lunessa | Perhaps. |
| 20:07.58 | cog|work | didn't know which direction the compromise was leaning... just offering an alternative |
| 20:08.39 | DWSR | Lunessa: I'd just remove it completely and save the article somewhere. |
| 20:09.12 | DWSR | (i.e. in a text file on your desktop). |
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| 20:09.40 | Lunessa | DWSR: I'm content with my compromise. If that emotional and rational confluence changes,then perhaps. |
| 20:09.54 | End | Lunessa: if we're offering random suggestions, I'd make the notice bold and italic |
| 20:10.04 | cog|work | and underlined and blinking |
| 20:10.08 | End | YES! |
| 20:10.10 | End | and blinking! |
| 20:10.13 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all don't want my random suggestion. |
| 20:10.19 | DWSR | rofl End |
| 20:10.31 | kneeki | Is there a way to get DevTools to dump to a different window that has more lines? |
| 20:10.37 | DWSR | BOLD UNDERLINED ITALICIZED AND BLINKING TEXT RAWR |
| 20:10.50 | alestane | kneeki: Stretch your chatframe? |
| 20:11.05 | kneeki | nah, the dump is more lines than the chat frame supports |
| 20:11.06 | cog|work | and deep fried, covered in cheese, bacon and butter. |
| 20:11.13 | Lunessa | End: That's a good idea. Bold + Italics added. |
| 20:11.40 | End | :) |
| 20:11.59 | DWSR | Lunessa: Can you not obfuscate your post? xD |
| 20:12.08 | DWSR | Remove all the nouns or something? |
| 20:12.30 | Lunessa | I coult ROT-13 encode it too, but let's not be silly! |
| 20:12.55 | cog|work | aww... that would've been hawt for my stickies... |
| 20:13.05 | DWSR | Lunessa: Why not? |
| 20:13.15 | DWSR | Sometimes silliness is the best way to make a point |
| 20:13.26 | Lopeppeppy | Or it's just stupid. |
| 20:13.54 | Codayus | Rewrite it in iambic pentameter. |
| 20:14.25 | End | I think what Lunessa did was the right way. |
| 20:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | I adore Lunessa. *hug* |
| 20:14.44 | Codayus | End: Oh sure, but I still like my idea. |
| 20:14.48 | End | hehe |
| 20:15.11 | Lunessa | DWSR - I have very strong feelings about a number of ways to deal with things. I don't always see eye-to-eye with the rest of the world, or even those for whom I have respect. For example, Cog and I disagree (often vehemently) on topics, but while I didn't want to go as far as he did, I did want to respond in a like manner. |
| 20:15.44 | Lunessa | Codayus: No, iambic pentameter was bad enough in high school and college. |
| 20:16.34 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:16.41 | DWSR | This reminds of me of the Holy Grail. |
| 20:16.50 | DWSR | 'Let's not go to Camelot, tis a silly place' |
| 20:18.13 | Lunessa | It's only a model |
| 20:18.48 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:19.03 | Codayus | Lunessa: Heh. Okay. How do you feel about limiricks? They're pretty easy to write! |
| 20:19.40 | durcyn | there are so few words that rhyme with Nantuckett though |
| 20:20.08 | Codayus | Limiricks don't HAVE to be dirty you know... |
| 20:20.20 | Lunessa | Codayus: There's once was a programmer from Nantuket / Who's code was so slick people would shuck it / But he applied Copyright and told them / Stick that in your ear and suck it. |
| 20:20.22 | Gnarfoz | it's also limericks |
| 20:20.33 | DWSR | s/who's/whose/ |
| 20:20.57 | Lunessa | yes. No proofreading was harmed in the writing of this crappy limerik |
| 20:21.13 | durcyn | aren't limericks traditionally five lines |
| 20:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | "I am going to send the email and once I get a reply I will follow up with you via email." WHY CAN'T YOU JuST SEND ME MY NEW MOTHERBOARD |
| 20:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | *JUST |
| 20:21.23 | durcyn | or did you forget the "Burma Shave" at the end |
| 20:21.24 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: Spelling is for squares. I'm like, totally an artist type. |
| 20:21.44 | Lunessa | My code is my own |
| 20:21.52 | Lunessa | But when it's run in WoW |
| 20:22.02 | Lunessa | Blizzard makes the cut |
| 20:22.05 | Lunessa | Burma Shave |
| 20:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | -wow- |
| 20:22.18 | Codayus | ...Lunessa wins. |
| 20:22.20 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: go on, when you've strayed far enough from the path, you'll be able to communicate only with yourself ;p |
| 20:22.35 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@dhcp-128-83-45-229.its.utexas.edu) |
| 20:22.46 | malreth | don't be a heeeeeerroooooooooooo |
| 20:22.54 | Fisker- | AN HERO! |
| 20:23.20 | alestane | It's a malreth! |
| 20:23.22 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: you and me, both |
| 20:23.51 | malreth | i got tired of trolling conservatives on Twitter so i'm back here to make your lives miserable |
| 20:23.56 | Lunessa | MALRETH! |
| 20:24.06 | malreth | how desperate is that... trolling... on Twitter of all places |
| 20:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | But I like your trolling on Twitter. |
| 20:24.09 | DWSR | malreth: I thought I was the ONLY one! |
| 20:25.03 | alestane | WTH is up, man? |
| 20:25.04 | cog|work | blood pressure? |
| 20:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | Sinus pressure? |
| 20:25.04 | malreth | cog|work: probably |
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| 20:25.09 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: yes for mrs cog :( sick 4tl |
| 20:25.26 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: Heh, actually where I work we had a 2D artist who had more or less done that. |
| 20:25.34 | malreth | Lunessa: o reeeeely? |
| 20:25.56 | malreth | Lunessa: i was even thinking that it's been a while since we last chatted |
| 20:25.57 | Lunessa | Yeah. Turning 39 makes me think I need to hang with people who will remind me to enjoy life. |
| 20:26.16 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: if I were from the US, I could now proffer a witty remark about some state or other's weird accent. ;P |
| 20:26.20 | Lunessa | I ALMOST txt-msged you last night, but didn't. |
| 20:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | I had the flu, she didn't catch that from me, Cog! |
| 20:27.27 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: A quote from one of his invoices - "continu to make website baced on xmen website but diferant" |
| 20:27.56 | Gnarfoz | still decipherable, but indeed quite liberal on the spelling |
| 20:28.19 | Codayus | The great thing is, he never mispelled a word the same way twice. He called it a "web sight" one line above. |
| 20:28.26 | malreth | not all liberals spell like that |
| 20:28.31 | malreth | most spell even worse |
| 20:28.49 | DWSR | hey now |
| 20:28.53 | DWSR | I spell fairly well. |
| 20:28.57 | Codayus | "create grafx caritors of the 2 members of <redacted>" |
| 20:29.11 | malreth | at least he spelled redacted right |
| 20:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ta, guys! |
| 20:29.19 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18) |
| 20:29.21 | Codayus | I redacted the client name. :-) |
| 20:29.30 | Codayus | Took me a minute to figure out "caritors". |
| 20:29.42 | End | at least he spelled create right |
| 20:29.53 | durcyn | he obvoiusly meant graphite carrots. novelty pencils for all! |
| 20:31.15 | JackBurton7676 | thanks for the help cog |
| 20:31.23 | Codayus | "meting to diskus website progres" The week before it was a "meating". We also have "consepts", "devalip", "projecket", and a "publick holaday". |
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| 20:31.34 | Lunessa | Trolling on Twitter - malreth, you've come down in the world. But I suppose the iPhone made that easy for you. |
| 20:31.34 | Codayus | I like projecket. |
| 20:31.40 | cog|work | JackBurton7676: np. as i've mentioned, my gripe's with blizzard, not the community <3 |
| 20:31.55 | NeoTron | Codayus: so essentially this dude does 2d graphic design as long as it has no text on it? |
| 20:32.28 | malreth | Lunessa: don't you know it. this iPhone makes it really easy to be a cock in front of everyone. "Oh hold on guys... Let me pull this out and look that up for you all." |
| 20:32.42 | Lunessa | Ahem. You did it to me. |
| 20:32.46 | durcyn | Codayus: please tell me this person is not gainfully employed. |
| 20:33.10 | Codayus | NeoTron: Yeah. He's one kickass 2D artist though. Never speaks, responds to direct questions in monosyllables, and mostly ignores direction. "Do some concept art for the X project." "Mmm." 3 hours later... "wow, that's the coolest drawing of a pig I've EVER seen...uh...how's the concept art going?" "Mmm" |
| 20:33.34 | malreth | oh... BTW, for Lent i've given up holding myself from saying the word "cock" |
| 20:33.46 | NeoTron | wow |
| 20:34.17 | alestane | Sounds like some degree of ASD or something similar. |
| 20:34.20 | Codayus | durcyn: He is. *shrug* He's got talent, and just being borderline autistic is something you can work around. |
| 20:34.30 | Lunessa | malreth: score. If I come up to Austin late in April, drinking... it must be done. |
| 20:34.54 | Xinhuan | DWSR: you can reduce FPS drops by moving your wow to a disk that isn't on the same physical disk as your pagefile |
| 20:35.09 | Xinhuan | trust me on this one ;p |
| 20:35.23 | durcyn | or disabling the pagefile, since windows is way too godamn aggressive in using it |
| 20:35.33 | malreth | Mr. Thomas found a new bar. It's a bit trendy looking but the bartenders pour 'em heavy and it's got a great vibe |
| 20:35.56 | durcyn | o, malreth is in austin? |
| 20:36.07 | malreth | durcyn: yep |
| 20:36.12 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't disable it unless i have 4 gb ram lol |
| 20:36.18 | durcyn | i'll just start punching people with iphones, i'll get to you eventually |
| 20:36.35 | End | there's a lot of people with iphones |
| 20:36.46 | durcyn | which bar, by the way |
| 20:36.57 | durcyn | i need a replacement for the ginger man, may it rest in peace |
| 20:37.02 | foxlit | there we go, idiotic ads on wowforums |
| 20:37.13 | malreth | Cover 3. it's near the Alamo Village Theater |
| 20:37.18 | Codayus | I don't think I'm ever going to spec a Windows desktop with less than 8gb of RAM. |
| 20:37.19 | foxlit | I was wondering when they'd show up (i.e. generic IP-targetted crap) |
| 20:37.27 | malreth | it's local owned and chef operated |
| 20:37.33 | Lunessa | malreth: Mr. Thomas must take us to the new bar. We must bring Rose, Tim and Matt and Mrs. Malreth and consume mass quantities and help me repeat the mantra "I'm not that old!" |
| 20:37.55 | malreth | awesome! |
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| 20:38.29 | Lunessa | Might even be able to get Gurtch out of his cave for that. |
| 20:39.03 | malreth | Ms. Mistress would go but she's about to pop any day now. Otherwise, she really liked Rose. |
| 20:39.53 | Lunessa | Yeah, and Ms. Mistress probably doesn't want me to leer drunkenly at her anyway. :P |
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| 20:48.12 | DWSR | http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/040401.html <- seriously? |
| 20:48.19 | Thunder_Child | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/get-your-gmail-stickers.html |
| 20:49.05 | Thunder_Child | nvm that then |
| 20:49.41 | malreth | DWSR: yeah. what about it? |
| 20:49.58 | Dewin | DWSR: Did you read the date? |
| 20:50.00 | malreth | it makes sense |
| 20:50.29 | DWSR | yeah, I've read the date. |
| 20:50.32 | Shirik | It's not wrong |
| 20:50.35 | DWSR | I still can't believe that they needed mathematical proof. |
| 20:50.46 | Shirik | Did you read the date closely? |
| 20:50.52 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 20:50.55 | DWSR | Just looked for the year. |
| 20:50.56 | mikma | fail. |
| 20:50.57 | Shirik | I suggest you do |
| 20:50.57 | DWSR | ah, hehe |
| 20:51.00 | Thunder_Child | much fail |
| 20:51.05 | DWSR | indeed |
| 20:51.06 | End | the date is very important |
| 20:51.29 | DWSR | I wonder. |
| 20:51.38 | DWSR | Nope, I can't put ; in my nick. |
| 20:51.51 | Dewin | TL;DR? |
| 20:52.15 | malreth | semicolons are for people too weak to use em-dashes |
| 20:52.18 | DWSR | No, I was going to put my nick as ; |
| 20:52.35 | Shirik | ~nickometer ; |
| 20:52.47 | Dewin | ~nickometer Shirik |
| 20:52.50 | DWSR | So I could change my IRC output and make it look like code |
| 20:52.54 | Dewin | ~nickometer Dewin |
| 20:52.57 | malreth | an em-dash makes a statement... it's like a huge cock right there in the middle of your sentence |
| 20:52.58 | DWSR | ~nickometer DWSR |
| 20:53.04 | DWSR | Aww yeah. |
| 20:53.09 | Shirik | 100% caps imo |
| 20:54.28 | End | ~nickometer dwsr |
| 20:54.28 | DWSR | Shirik: Can't complain about the number though |
| 20:54.28 | End | ~diaf |
| 20:54.29 | purl | ACTION refuses to die! |
| 20:54.29 | Shirik | yall broke purl |
| 20:54.29 | Thunder_Child | shame on you |
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| 20:54.29 | bleeter | cog|work: personally, I wouldn't bother replying to Honig in those threads. She thinks that Cairenn, Shirik and Dolby are child pornographers, I wouldn't waste my typing if I were you (we tried telling her that Zam is not associated etc. but wouldn't hear of it) |
| 20:54.29 | End | seriously? |
| 20:54.29 | Shirik | What? |
| 20:54.30 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 20:54.30 | Thunder_Child | wait what? |
| 20:54.30 | Kraft | Thunder_Child: you said shame on you at exactly the same time my music did :S |
| 20:54.30 | End | I don't know if I should laugh or what |
| 20:54.32 | bleeter | 6 month old argument from CSF |
| 20:54.33 | bleeter | if not over a year |
| 20:54.35 | Cairenn | what? where? huh? |
| 20:54.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, can i have your job then? |
| 20:54.43 | Thunder_Child | Kraft, spooky |
| 20:54.49 | bleeter | buncha deletd posts, too |
| 20:54.53 | Thunder_Child | well Dolby does have that nice camera...... |
| 20:54.59 | Shirik | I have a better one |
| 20:55.05 | Thunder_Child | video? |
| 20:55.06 | Dolby | thats for legal porn |
| 20:55.13 | Shirik | nah, pictures only |
| 20:55.20 | malreth | Cairenn, I thought i knew you... :( |
| 20:55.20 | Thunder_Child | what, you have a special one for illigal porn? |
| 20:55.27 | Shirik | I could take video at 3 fps |
| 20:55.27 | DWSR | If I'm PvPing, should I rebind my A and D keys to strafe instead of turn? |
| 20:55.28 | Shirik | though |
| 20:55.31 | Shirik | but, only for |
| 20:55.33 | Shirik | lua> 26 / 3 |
| 20:55.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: 8.6666666666667 |
| 20:55.37 | Shirik | 8.6 seconds |
| 20:55.45 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 20:55.46 | purl | Shirik, you Fail! |
| 20:55.51 | Lunessa | Hey Dolby - pictures of your Dell running Hackintosh don't count as porn. |
| 20:55.57 | Anaralx2 | Odd, colorzilla is acting as though every webpage is red... |
| 20:56.37 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, it might be porn to someone.... |
| 20:56.54 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: And I probably already know some of them. |
| 20:56.55 | Cairenn | bleeter: what are you referring to, where? |
| 20:58.28 | bleeter | Cairenn: one of the posters to the UI threads at the moment, is a regular in CSF. Back in CSF, she's occasionally let fly about certain addon sites and DB sites that are owned and operated by child pornographers. She's been moderated heavily in the past for repeatedly saying it. |
| 20:58.45 | Cairenn | oy |
| 20:58.47 | bleeter | I'd be prepared to siogn a stat-dec saying I've seen her post that kinda crap |
| 20:58.49 | DWSR | csf? |
| 20:58.59 | kd3 | customer service forum |
| 20:59.00 | bleeter | so I'm just saying, she ain't worth the typing |
| 20:59.03 | DWSR | ah |
| 20:59.51 | Thunder_Child | because we all know that CP and wow addons are in the same racketering buisness |
| 21:00.03 | DWSR | indeed |
| 21:00.08 | malreth | for the record, i'd totally let Cairenn make child porn out of me |
| 21:00.13 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:00.57 | malreth | "Ow... That hurts, Auntie Cairenn!" |
| 21:00.58 | DWSR | random thought: Blues need a theme song |
| 21:01.15 | Cairenn | malreth: eww, just, ewww |
| 21:01.57 | Dewin | DWSR: I know just the song |
| 21:02.17 | Dewin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw |
| 21:02.25 | durcyn | if that's a rickroll, i swear to god |
| 21:02.29 | Dewin | It's not. |
| 21:02.34 | Dewin | But I did think about it. |
| 21:02.39 | MentalPower | malreth: ewww... |
| 21:02.44 | sysrage | lol |
| 21:02.54 | sysrage | that song is almost as bad as a rickroll |
| 21:05.06 | Lunessa | malreth: I need to clean cola of my iMac now. |
| 21:05.41 | alestane | Oh, from the spit-take? |
| 21:05.54 | malreth | somewhere on the internet, that is porn as well |
| 21:06.12 | durcyn | i hear it works better to clean imacs with water, not cola |
| 21:06.23 | DWSR | Dewin: rofl |
| 21:06.32 | Shirik | I hear it works better to throw imacs in the trash |
| 21:07.18 | bleeter | damnit |
| 21:07.37 | bleeter | anyone able to locate GC's post about where HE thinks that healing frames in default UI are sub-optimal? |
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| 21:08.52 | durcyn | bleeter: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/13723832302-healer-mechanics-discussion.html ? |
| 21:09.05 | Lunessa | ~failrick |
| 21:09.06 | purl | rumour has it, failrick is Shirik's been Rick Rolled! |
| 21:09.12 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:09.19 | Shirik | stop pinging me randomly |
| 21:09.19 | bleeter | durcyn: cheers |
| 21:09.22 | End | ~failrik |
| 21:09.23 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:09.45 | Lunessa | iMacs are not trash. :P |
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| 21:10.13 | durcyn | Lunessa: i've got an old PPC imac DV that begs to differ. |
| 21:10.34 | durcyn | i'm thinking of gutting it and using it as a trash can |
| 21:10.39 | DWSR | rofl |
| 21:10.47 | DWSR | Eiffel 65 did other songs besides Blue? |
| 21:10.59 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 21:11.06 | DWSR | http://is.gd/oMfh <- |
| 21:11.12 | Shirik | time to go back home |
| 21:11.14 | Shirik | baibai |
| 21:11.19 | Shirik | hm |
| 21:11.24 | Shirik | mibbit warns that this is a youtube link |
| 21:11.26 | Lunessa | durcyn: I use my old one as CD/DVD player and TV which can also use hulu.com. :P |
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| 21:12.32 | durcyn | Lunessa: i'll have to try it with osx, i had linux running on a g4 lampshade that refused to do video |
| 21:13.06 | DWSR | Shirik: Not a rickroll |
| 21:13.12 | Lunessa | durcyn: I have it running Tiger and Firefox. Instant info-tainment unit in an extra room. |
| 21:13.16 | DWSR | You can just add - after is.gd links to get a preview of the link |
| 21:17.32 | Gnarfoz | is.gd should have a cookie like tinyurl has |
| 21:17.33 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 21:17.40 | DWSR | Why? |
| 21:17.44 | DWSR | tinyurl's cookie is fail |
| 21:17.51 | DWSR | Everytime I go to a new computer, need to reset the cookie |
| 21:18.05 | Tekkub | meh, I like is.gd better |
| 21:18.11 | Gnarfoz | both techniques can be offered simultaneously. |
| 21:18.14 | Tekkub | is it "is good" or "is god"? |
| 21:18.19 | DWSR | Tekkub: is good |
| 21:18.21 | Gnarfoz | it's "short url that was free" |
| 21:18.24 | Tekkub | or is it? |
| 21:18.53 | DWSR | is gud |
| 21:18.53 | DWSR | IS how I pronounce it |
| 21:18.53 | durcyn | it's stupid god damn it" |
| 21:18.58 | durcyn | just post the effing links, short urls are lame |
| 21:19.39 | DWSR | No they're not. see Twitter. |
| 21:20.14 | DWSR | And other links such as http://www.wowarmory.com/arena-team-report-opposing-teams.xml?r=Nazjatar&ts=2&t=Wondertwins&select=Wondertwins |
| 21:20.28 | DWSR | I probably just broke that link for people with low resolutions |
| 21:20.48 | durcyn | whatever, my acronym works =( |
| 21:21.05 | DWSR | no it doesn't. |
| 21:21.09 | DWSR | is.gdi |
| 21:21.12 | DWSR | No I. |
| 21:21.22 | durcyn | lower case i, obviously, not part of the acronym |
| 21:21.32 | durcyn | what's DWSR stand for then, huh, HUH? |
| 21:21.37 | DWSR | Doing What Sounds Right. |
| 21:21.50 | DWSR | or |
| 21:21.54 | DWSR | Doing Women in Strange Rooms |
| 21:22.01 | durcyn | i rest my case. |
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| 21:23.33 | malreth | tr.im is better |
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| 21:25.03 | DWSR | I cannot believe Eiffel 65 actually made other tunes |
| 21:26.42 | malreth | little known secret. All of the other Eiffel 65 songs are actually just the melody of Blue with different words. |
| 21:27.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:27.25 | DWSR | they are too |
| 21:27.56 | DWSR | eiffel65 was probably the reason that autotune was created |
| 21:28.05 | cog|work | arghh... i REALLY need to start synchronizing my bust lists between home and work |
| 21:28.20 | Thunder_Child | same as basshunter |
| 21:28.29 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Yeah |
| 21:28.45 | mikma | how does the "friend account" leveling work? |
| 21:28.54 | mikma | linked accounts can grant each other some levels |
| 21:29.41 | DWSR | mikma: Yes. The person who was invited can grant levels to the person who invited them |
| 21:29.41 | DWSR | every 2 levels, you can grant 1 level, provided that the tune is a lower level |
| 21:29.42 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, you either have a list of stone heads or breats....and i'm not sure i want to know which one it is |
| 21:30.05 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: trade wars |
| 21:30.18 | cog|work | when you get busted robbing a port, the port remembers you |
| 21:30.23 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 21:30.30 | cog|work | unless they catch someone else or it's reset every 7 days |
| 21:30.43 | mikma | dwsr: from where can that be done? |
| 21:30.51 | cog|work | so you get pretty much instabusted if you try to rob the same port |
| 21:31.10 | DWSR | mikma: Right click player frame |
| 21:32.38 | Rabbitbunny | is there a fucntion like isDisEnchantable() ? |
| 21:33.05 | DWSR | Rabbitbunny: Could write one |
| 21:33.18 | Rabbitbunny | DWSR: where would I start? |
| 21:33.26 | DWSR | Beats me, I just know that you could do it. :P |
| 21:33.29 | Rabbitbunny | just keep a table of things I've disenchanted? |
| 21:33.36 | DWSR | nah. |
| 21:33.52 | DWSR | are you looking for if the item is disenchantable? |
| 21:33.59 | DWSR | Or if you can disenchant it with your current skill level? |
| 21:34.04 | Rabbitbunny | if I can disenchant it. |
| 21:34.06 | End | if have enchanting, you can look at the tooltip |
| 21:34.09 | End | if you* |
| 21:34.09 | Rabbitbunny | the latter. |
| 21:34.13 | DWSR | ah |
| 21:34.20 | DWSR | End: Only if you have the DE skill active. |
| 21:34.25 | DWSR | (i.e. you're about to DE something) |
| 21:34.29 | End | hm, yeah, I suppose you're right |
| 21:34.30 | Rabbitbunny | I'm hardcoding a loot management scheme. |
| 21:35.15 | mikma | only way that would work is a big database of items |
| 21:35.22 | mikma | or blacklisted items that can't be disenchanted |
| 21:35.26 | DWSR | ^ |
| 21:35.30 | DWSR | That one will be a lot smaller. |
| 21:35.54 | Rabbitbunny | man, somebody must have done this before. |
| 21:36.06 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 21:36.11 | DWSR | Enchantrix has a DB somewhere |
| 21:36.26 | mikma | see if tekkub has included a list in Panda |
| 21:37.18 | Tekkub | the list I have is small |
| 21:37.33 | Tekkub | basically all the vendor-bought gear isn't DEable |
| 21:37.41 | Tekkub | I never added those, wasn't worth it |
| 21:37.55 | mikma | there's some exceptions on world drops too? |
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| 21:38.37 | Tekkub | my list is only like 14 items |
| 21:39.02 | mikma | afaik there aren't much more than 14 of non-disenchantable items so.. |
| 21:39.49 | mikma | pvp-gear + latest tier items? |
| 21:39.54 | DWSR | nah |
| 21:39.57 | DWSR | More than that |
| 21:40.20 | DWSR | Ah, here we go |
| 21:40.21 | Tekkub | some old quest rewards also |
| 21:40.24 | DWSR | Enchantrix has a list |
| 21:40.26 | DWSR | Want me to past? |
| 21:40.30 | DWSR | s/past/paste/ |
| 21:40.45 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4&filter=cr=8:92:18;crs=2:2:5;crv=0:0:0 |
| 21:40.53 | mikma | COPYPASTAAAAAAA |
| 21:40.56 | Tekkub | old PvP gear is showing up on that though |
| 21:41.10 | Rabbitbunny | can Entchantrix just return boolean when passed a link? |
| 21:41.22 | mikma | tekkub: afaik, none of the pvp items can be disenchanted |
| 21:41.23 | DWSR | I don't know. |
| 21:41.29 | DWSR | I don't think so either, besides. |
| 21:41.39 | Tekkub | I already said that :P |
| 21:41.42 | DWSR | You want to not relyon depends too much |
| 21:41.46 | Tekkub | items sold by a vendor |
| 21:42.09 | DWSR | s/relyon/rely on/ |
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| 21:42.23 | DWSR | This list is pretty big |
| 21:42.29 | Tekkub | I guess the question is why do you need a list |
| 21:42.39 | DWSR | Is there a way that you could check tos ee if an item ID is in a range? |
| 21:42.56 | DWSR | Like if 33077 is between 33075 and 33079 |
| 21:43.04 | Tekkub | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsItemInRange |
| 21:43.12 | Tekkub | oh you mean that |
| 21:43.18 | Tekkub | if statements |
| 21:43.22 | DWSR | Yeah, thought so. :P |
| 21:43.37 | DWSR | You'd have to parse for the actual itemID I guess? |
| 21:43.47 | Tekkub | again, why do you need it |
| 21:43.47 | Rabbitbunny | bam, Enchantri has isDisenchantable() in it's utils. |
| 21:43.52 | Tekkub | it's likely not worth the hastle |
| 21:44.13 | DWSR | Tekkub: Loot management system. Wants to know if stuff can be DEed in order to pass to a healer. |
| 21:44.31 | DWSR | wow |
| 21:44.34 | DWSR | s/healer/DEer/ |
| 21:44.36 | Tekkub | then vendor items don't matter at all |
| 21:44.45 | DWSR | Yeah, but some of the loot you can't DE anyway| |
| 21:44.47 | Tekkub | just go with the zones you're in's drop lists |
| 21:44.52 | Tekkub | tokens |
| 21:45.01 | Tekkub | there any besides tokens? |
| 21:45.03 | DWSR | PvP gear. |
| 21:45.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, just got a text message from my school emergency line |
| 21:45.15 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: School's on fire? |
| 21:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ..." is closed due to a gas leak on 500 S and Guardsman way. Evacuate." |
| 21:45.23 | AckisWork | zomg where is peppppy7yyyyyy? |
| 21:45.30 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: ROF |
| 21:45.46 | DWSR | s/ROF/rofl/ |
| 21:45.47 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=qu=2:3:4:5:6;cr=105:8;crs=3456:2;crv=0:0 |
| 21:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Man, I've never been ordered to /evacuate/ before |
| 21:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "Homes and buildings within a mile radius of the leak are being evacuated. Roads in the area are shut down to vehicles and foot traffic. " |
| 21:46.34 | selckin | i'm impressed you have an emergency line |
| 21:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It goes over voice, text, and e-mail |
| 21:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I got all three |
| 21:46.56 | kd3 | after VTech, it's pretty standard these days |
| 21:46.58 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: You going to evacuate? |
| 21:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I commute |
| 21:47.06 | DWSR | kd3: don't have one here |
| 21:47.09 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: Ah. |
| 21:47.33 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: start the bbq |
| 21:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | AckisWork: a freaking mile radius is being evacuated |
| 21:47.56 | Tekkub | DWSR, http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4&filter=qu=2:3:4:5:6;minrl=71;cr=8:72;crs=2:1;crv=0:0#50+1 |
| 21:48.00 | Tekkub | there are no weapons |
| 21:48.19 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: yah big explosion ftw! :D |
| 21:48.28 | selckin | we had a gas main explode in my country a few years back, damage range was huge |
| 21:48.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Classes have been canceled and students and others in the area have been asked not to start their cars. |
| 21:48.43 | AckisWork | we had a propane factory explode out east iirc |
| 21:48.44 | Tekkub | so yea, if it's armor or weapon and not /^(Hateful|Deadly) Gladiator's/ |
| 21:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow |
| 21:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 21:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "The leaking gas is trapped underground, so the explosive threat is higher than it would be above ground." |
| 21:49.51 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: Dude, where do you live? |
| 21:49.52 | Tekkub | had a natural gas leak at Mines once... they only evac'd like two blocks, but wouldn't let people start cars |
| 21:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I may be missing a decent chunk of my campus tomorrow |
| 21:49.53 | malreth | There was that gas leak and explosion outside Brenham TX that one year... the shockwave was felt all the way to Galveston |
| 21:49.53 | kd3 | talk about disaster movie scenario |
| 21:50.00 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: Hope for the best, right? |
| 21:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: Utah |
| 21:50.13 | DWSR | How close are you to skiing? |
| 21:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-natural-gas-leak-forces-evacuation-in-salt,0,4483383.story |
| 21:50.17 | malreth | My sister was riding her bike... 40 miles away... it knocked her off onto the ground |
| 21:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5950793 |
| 21:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Very |
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| 21:50.30 | Tekkub | yea Mine's leak was construction, so the spot was above ground |
| 21:50.31 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: I hope it doesn't explode. |
| 21:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man it's in the sewers |
| 21:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Disaster scneario and then some |
| 21:52.46 | ScytheBlade1 | *scenario |
| 21:52.46 | Tekkub | so we might get to blow up Salt Lake? sweeeeeet |
| 21:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.765006,-111.83949&spn=0.0196,0.04549&t=h&z=15 |
| 21:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Right on the east/north east there is... a mountain |
| 21:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | So really the most that is going to happen is... er |
| 21:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | An earthquake due to the crap it would do to the fault line |
| 21:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ..... |
| 21:54.57 | Tekkub | heh, you're north of where we always went (Sandy) |
| 21:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually live next to sandy |
| 21:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 20 mile communte ftl |
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| 21:56.47 | Thunder_Child | thats a fail place |
| 21:57.03 | Thunder_Child | who puts the cemetery right next to all the sports fields |
| 21:57.29 | cog|work | heh... apparently the issue has caught on in General |
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| 21:57.39 | cog|work | a lot of new threads suddenly appearing in ui & m today |
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| 21:57.49 | cog|work | i'm assuming moved from G |
| 21:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | many have been, yeah |
| 21:58.00 | Thunder_Child | the tag line "just in canse something happens to your child at our school, be comforted by the fact that we have a cemetery on school property" |
| 21:58.05 | nevcairiel | more drama and flame |
| 21:58.06 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 21:58.11 | Thunder_Child | case* |
| 21:58.40 | malreth | later all... time to zoom! |
| 21:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: why'd you visit Sandy? |
| 21:59.11 | Tekkub | uh, is it great aunt? my grandmother's sister |
| 21:59.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
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| 22:08.59 | MentalPower | man, server splits suck! |
| 22:10.02 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 22:10.13 | DWSR | good thing I have the script that puts all the join part flood into a seperate window |
| 22:12.37 | Tekkub | we had a split? |
| 22:12.50 | Shirik | um |
| 22:12.51 | Tekkub | I think you just suck Ment :P |
| 22:12.53 | Shirik | MP had a script |
| 22:12.55 | Shirik | er |
| 22:12.57 | Shirik | MP had a spliot |
| 22:12.59 | Shirik | SPLIT |
| 22:13.01 | Shirik | FU |
| 22:13.07 | Shirik | (18:01:38)  -⺠Netsplit (verne.freenode.net â¹-⺠irc.freenode.net) 1 quits: MentalPower |
| 22:13.12 | bleeter | mp was on Verne, it split. He was the only one on it. |
| 22:13.19 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 22:13.30 | Tekkub | I think Shirik just had a sploit all over hijmself |
| 22:13.43 | Shirik | no bleeter, you and I are on verne |
| 22:13.51 | bleeter | oh yeah |
| 22:13.53 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 22:13.56 | bleeter | and while I'm ranting |
| 22:14.07 | bleeter | this tax argument is so stupid ... lolol |
| 22:14.31 | Tekkub | tax? are you still on the addon shit? |
| 22:14.50 | DWSR | Shirik: Whenever I whois either you or bleeter it shows as being on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:15.03 | cog|work | Tekkub: peanut gallery -----> |
| 22:15.05 | Shirik | that's because freenode doesn't tell you what servers people are on |
| 22:15.06 | bleeter | some moron's trying to tell me that I can get extradited to the US if I perform a $$ trade between me and my mate for addon code |
| 22:15.15 | DWSR | Shirik: Unless you're ont he same server as them? |
| 22:15.21 | Shirik | not even if you're on the same server |
| 22:15.29 | bleeter | the fact that neither of us are in the US, or the code never gets executed in the US, seems to have missed them |
| 22:15.30 | DWSR | stupidity |
| 22:15.31 | Shirik | I only knew bleeter was on Verne because he saw the same message |
| 22:15.43 | DWSR | We all saw the same message. |
| 22:15.49 | Shirik | then you are too :P |
| 22:15.57 | DWSR | I'm on Hubbard. |
| 22:16.04 | Shirik | If you saw "verne" then you're on verne |
| 22:16.05 | Shirik | period |
| 22:16.14 | Tuller | i'm pretty sure that I have to make over $X on Y before I have to declare it |
| 22:16.23 | Shirik | You can go ask the guys in #freenode if you want; they have a security reason it's like this that I don't care to remember |
| 22:16.23 | Tuller | but either way, muffins |
| 22:16.29 | bleeter | Shefki: I vote we just stop responding to the tax idiot ;) |
| 22:16.36 | DWSR | Kinda fail, tbh. It's not like it matters. |
| 22:16.41 | DWSR | They give out hostnames here anyway. |
| 22:16.56 | Shirik | that's not their reason |
| 22:17.04 | Shirik | their reason has something to do with the topology |
| 22:17.07 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: btw, I did go to sleep ;) |
| 22:17.34 | Tekkub | damnit now I'm hungry |
| 22:17.54 | DWSR | top this! :P |
| 22:20.19 | Shirik | time for some relaxation |
| 22:20.20 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LY9p8Spe7Y |
| 22:20.29 | foxlit | "This video is not available in your country." |
| 22:20.32 | Shirik | :< |
| 22:21.35 | Tekkub | HA HA |
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| 22:30.40 | Druidicbeast | DMB rocks imo |
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| 22:34.23 | MentalPower | DWSR: turn off the script please |
| 22:34.37 | DWSR | t's manual announce only. |
| 22:35.07 | DWSR | auto np scripts is for lamers. |
| 22:36.35 | Thunder_Child | then why are you annoucing it in the first place? |
| 22:36.44 | DWSR | we're on the topic of music |
| 22:36.59 | bleeter | TISM > * |
| 22:37.13 | bleeter | RIP Token Blackman :( |
| 22:38.38 | DWSR | bleeter: This is serious Mum? |
| 22:39.44 | bleeter | DWSR: aye |
| 22:42.10 | MentalPower | DWSR: my appologies then |
| 22:42.29 | DWSR | MentalPower: No worries, i understand your feeligns |
| 22:44.18 | Thunder_Child | i dont MP is just so damn weird |
| 22:44.28 | Thunder_Child | s/t/t, / |
| 22:44.37 | DWSR | ol |
| 22:44.38 | DWSR | lol |
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| 22:44.55 | Tekkub | so you fix one punc error but not the other? |
| 22:44.59 | Tekkub | ~flail |
| 22:45.12 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: right back at ya :) |
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| 22:52.25 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, agreed |
| 22:55.47 | Gnarfoz | rawr |
| 22:55.52 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:55.53 | Gnarfoz | rawr |
| 22:55.58 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:56.02 | Gnarfoz | etc. |
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| 23:04.28 | Tekkub | none of that now |
| 23:04.43 | Teomyr | oh, too bad |
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| 23:07.13 | Teomyr | so apparently, people buy 22" TFT screens, and get the model that only has VGA connectors because it's "cheaper" |
| 23:07.23 | Teomyr | and then ask for advice on how to make them stop flickering |
| 23:08.25 | Aznamir | lol |
| 23:08.28 | bleeter | god this new bnet integration is crap... no indication on char selection which account I'm currently in, and when I go 'back' to select a different account I ahve to relogin to bnet arhgarhgr |
| 23:09.55 | bleeter | s/crap/annoying the crap ouuta me/ |
| 23:10.09 | NeoTron | except it's not worse than before |
| 23:10.17 | NeoTron | it's better because I don't have to keep entering the login name all the time |
| 23:11.15 | bleeter | if you wanna hop between 'wow' accounts you need to relogin to bnet... |
| 23:11.54 | bleeter | forum login and operation would indicate that this is unecessary |
| 23:12.19 | bleeter | stupid game ui argh |
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| 23:16.33 | bleeter | cog|work: did you get my FB mail replies? wsa that the kinda foo you were after? lemme know if not etc., and detail more precisely what ya'd like from me :) |
| 23:17.34 | cog|work | got 'em... haven't had a chance to look at them much yet |
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| 23:20.31 | bleeter | cog|work: no probs mate, in yer own time :) |
| 23:27.42 | WobWork | =\ Addon drama is Dramatic |
| 23:28.03 | WobWork | any reply so far from Blizzard? |
| 23:28.18 | JackBurton76761 | can you link the thread? |
| 23:28.29 | WobWork | JackBurton76761: Any and all of them =P |
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| 23:28.39 | JackBurton76761 | lol |
| 23:28.42 | WobWork | but currently reading the one on the writers strike |
| 23:28.42 | cog|work | seebs: <3 |
| 23:28.56 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, we're on strike now? |
| 23:28.59 | seebs | cog, I just found the most BEAUTIFUL counterexample to about half the things I've said on this stupid addon policy topic. |
| 23:29.07 | WobWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864447468&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 23:29.08 | cog|work | this one's amusing: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864859796&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 23:29.15 | seebs | (<-- is Keeshtenahe, too.) |
| 23:29.24 | cog|work | Not only did i totally derail the thread, i got an antagonistic poster to go away ;) |
| 23:29.26 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i need to pay attention more |
| 23:29.27 | seebs | Cool! |
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| 23:30.03 | WobWork | cog|work: Antagonist has a point there |
| 23:30.07 | Lunessa | seebs - TIMMI! |
| 23:30.09 | seebs | So here's my beautiful notion. A heavily-commented tutorial addon, which simply DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. You buy it because you want to learn about FrameXML, but the only way you "use" it is to read the heavily-commented source. |
| 23:30.10 | WobWork | er Automation |
| 23:30.15 | seebs | Yes, also Timi. :) |
| 23:30.18 | cog|work | seebs: just read it :) |
| 23:30.28 | seebs | This totally breaks my assumptions about the whole argument. |
| 23:30.42 | seebs | I can't do it, because I *have* accepted ToS/EULA, so I'm not a good test case. |
| 23:31.07 | seebs | But a tech writer who hadn't done that and wanted to make a weird test case clearly could, and it's not nearly so dependent on actual access to the systems as writing a functional addon would be. |
| 23:31.27 | seebs | It's a shame I play WoW, because I could actually do it otherwise. I'm just pedantic enough. |
| 23:31.28 | cog|work | WobWork: if you see his reason for holding that view, though (which i linked to the other thread), you'll see it's coming from a place much less pointful |
| 23:31.44 | WobWork | cog|work: not asshat |
| 23:31.57 | WobWork | Automation |
| 23:32.02 | cog|work | ah |
| 23:32.03 | WobWork | Just before you derailed it =) |
| 23:32.06 | WobWork | Questhelper is shutting down because the USERS OF QUESTHELPER didn't donate enough to him via the website for the guy to pay his bills. |
| 23:32.15 | WobWork | And it's true =) |
| 23:32.44 | WobWork | Blizz's changes to the rules only limits the locations he can ask for donations |
| 23:32.51 | WobWork | and reduces said donations |
| 23:32.53 | cog|work | WobWork: you said "Antagonist has a point" hence my confusion ;) |
| 23:32.57 | WobWork | due to lack of exposure |
| 23:33.09 | WobWork | cog|work: yeah =) You confused me with your long words starting with 'a' |
| 23:33.12 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:33.19 | WobWork | it's morning =( |
| 23:33.25 | WobWork | I haven't had a cup of tea yet |
| 23:33.27 | cog|work | morning! |
| 23:33.40 | cog|work | pfft... IV caffeine imo |
| 23:34.02 | cog|away | Time for home! |
| 23:34.23 | seebs | Have fun, cog! |
| 23:34.58 | alestane | I thought Lopeppeppy gave up the caffeinations? |
| 23:35.17 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: Mtn Dew here lacks caffination |
| 23:35.19 | seebs | I am mostly off caffeine now. |
| 23:35.39 | seebs | Oh, yeah. I have some Canadian coworkers, apparently there you can't have caffeine in a non-brown beverage. |
| 23:36.22 | WobWork | I've... never thought of it that way |
| 23:36.26 | WobWork | that's kinda disturbing =P |
| 23:36.28 | seebs | That's apparently the rule. |
| 23:36.49 | seebs | I am so frustrated. The addon debate is more interesting than actually either playing or working on my addons. |
| 23:36.55 | WobWork | I'm sure we had that 'clear coke' for a short while |
| 23:37.07 | WobWork | before public disgust at the taste took it off the shelves |
| 23:37.11 | seebs | If I could figure out a way to charge for it, I could be a drama whore, as is, I'm just inclined to follow message board drama. |
| 23:37.21 | WobWork | seebs: Ask for donations! |
| 23:37.25 | DWSR | nub question: What the hell is min/max'ing? |
| 23:37.44 | seebs | Heh. |
| 23:37.45 | WobWork | DWSR: it's speccing and gearing for the best possible dps/healing/style |
| 23:37.56 | seebs | min/maxing, in general, is minimizing weaknesses and maximizing strengths. |
| 23:37.59 | WobWork | extreeeeme style |
| 23:38.08 | seebs | Applies especially to, e.g., gear selections. |
| 23:38.18 | DWSR | ah, ok |
| 23:38.34 | seebs | So, as an example: If you're absolutely sure you never have to solo, you need a TON less stamina than if you expect to do any soloing. |
| 23:38.48 | seebs | Unless you're a tank. |
| 23:38.50 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I did. But when I have this kind of headache, it's recommended as a way to help it. Honestly medicinal. *sigh* |
| 23:38.51 | WobWork | generally applied to raiding |
| 23:38.52 | DWSR | yeah, I understand what you're talking about |
| 23:39.02 | seebs | You can do it for smaller groups, up to a point. |
| 23:39.05 | WobWork | rather, generally applied to a single facet of gaming |
| 23:39.12 | WobWork | raiding/pvp/etc |
| 23:39.28 | seebs | One of my toons is in a mage/hunter pair, and she (the mage) has about +5 stamina and +100 spellpower at level 37. |
| 23:39.34 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: I was so happy when I got out of caffiene addiction |
| 23:39.39 | seebs | If I weren't counting on a pet, I wouldn't build that way. :) |
| 23:39.58 | WobWork | you call your hunter your pet? Awww =) |
| 23:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: ugh, why did you make me read that thread |
| 23:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ~stab WobWork |
| 23:40.09 | purl | ACTION runs at WobWork with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:40.10 | Lunessa | I am addicted to caffeine. I'm also addicted to the drama. Perhaps there is a connection? |
| 23:40.13 | alestane | I use caffeine occasionally as a stimulant, but only when I've been up for a while and I'm still not waking up. |
| 23:40.15 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: You -asked- |
| 23:40.32 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 23:40.33 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 23:40.33 | seebs | I have to be almost entirely off caffeine. |
| 23:40.34 | WobWork | You have noone to blame but yourself =P |
| 23:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | I've been fine without caffeine for a long while, so now when I use it to knock off a headache, it actually helps. |
| 23:40.43 | seebs | Combination of high blood pressure and heavy-duty prescription stimulants. |
| 23:40.52 | WobWork | You should have taken note of the locked status and stopped there = |
| 23:40.53 | WobWork | ) |
| 23:41.08 | WobWork | Then again, I drink tea |
| 23:41.18 | WobWork | so I'm not not drinking any caffiene |
| 23:41.21 | WobWork | I'm just not dependant on it |
| 23:41.25 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: yeah... |
| 23:43.09 | Lunessa | I get my caffeine the new-fangled way - from cola. Every drop. |
| 23:43.46 | *** part/#wowuidev ddsmith (n=ddsmith@12.6.239.179) |
| 23:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | Coooolllaaaaaa |
| 23:43.56 | seebs | Ugh. |
| 23:43.59 | DWSR | ~emulate DWSR |
| 23:44.03 | seebs | I have realized a problem. |
| 23:44.32 | seebs | Strictly speaking, the only acceptable response to people saying that Blizzard now requires addons to be Open Source is to roll a rogue on their server, get to 80, then follow them around stunlocking them all the time. But that takes a lot of time. |
| 23:44.35 | WobWork | DWSR: As cool as it would be for purl to parse everything we say and develop an emulation... we have to write those ourselves =) |
| 23:45.04 | DWSR | oh |
| 23:45.06 | WobWork | ~emulate Wobin |
| 23:45.07 | purl | oh smurf me harder! |
| 23:45.16 | WobWork | Or have others write it for us =P |
| 23:45.43 | Lunessa | seebs: The only effective way to do that is to use our AddOn Millions to hire Chinese Children to powerlevel for us. |
| 23:46.05 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:46.25 | bleeter | seebs: meh, just proves they've never read the 'definition' of open source, and if they have they've not been able to count to 6 ;) |
| 23:46.59 | bleeter | 6. The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research. |
| 23:47.07 | bleeter | 7. The rights attached to the program must apply to all to whom the program is redistributed without the need for execution of an additional license by those parties. |
| 23:49.03 | Shefki | bleeter: You're not allowed to use my code to make pornography. :P |
| 23:49.20 | DWSR | even ascii pron? |
| 23:49.20 | bleeter | Shefki: er, bit late for that demand mate! ;) |
| 23:49.39 | Shefki | bleeter: Doesn't matter, I can make up rules anytime I want. |
| 23:49.47 | Shefki | bleeter: I am the law! |
| 23:49.54 | bleeter | u r teh eedjet! :P |
| 23:50.05 | Shefki | Precisely. |
| 23:50.12 | Lunessa | Shefki: Can I make pornography with your code? Without, I don't know, printing it out and drawing on it? |
| 23:50.24 | Shefki | Lunessa: Sure since you asked so nicely. |
| 23:50.37 | bleeter | Lunessa: I'm sure we could make some porn w/o Shefki's code! :) |
| 23:50.39 | bleeter | if you ask me nicely |
| 23:50.40 | Lunessa | This my friends is called licensing. |
| 23:51.01 | Lunessa | bleeter: I don't want to make hairy man on hairy man porn with you, sorry. |
| 23:51.21 | bleeter | Lunessa: photoshop can remove hairs |
| 23:51.26 | Lunessa | Haha |
| 23:52.16 | Dagmar | bleeter: I'm a bit behind. What were you quoting up there? |
| 23:52.28 | Shefki | Dagmar: The Open Source Definition |
| 23:52.31 | bleeter | Dagmar: http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd |
| 23:52.36 | WobWork | Lunessa: somewhere, somehow, Tekkub is moaning happily =P |
| 23:52.40 | Lunessa | Ok, my work day is through, and I'm starving. Going home to make fudz and play wow or watch a movie. |
| 23:52.48 | bleeter | WobWork: ok, that's too far... stop it! :P |
| 23:52.49 | Dagmar | Oh... I thought it looked familiar |
| 23:52.49 | Lunessa | WobWork: I don't think I'm his type. :P |
| 23:53.04 | Dagmar | I was rather hoping legal would have gotten done examining their navels by now |
| 23:53.07 | Tekkub | what did I do now? |
| 23:53.08 | WobWork | oh did you see that tshirt idea for hairy men? |
| 23:53.23 | Ackis | eh is it bad when the pizza joint know my address/order by heart? |
| 23:53.30 | kd3 | meh, day two of now blizz legal-inspired drinking game |
| 23:53.37 | kd3 | s/now/no/ |
| 23:53.41 | Dagmar | Ackis: Good websites offer to track it for you. :) |
| 23:53.41 | WobWork | http://www.ironicsans.com/2009/03/idea_tshirts_for_hairychested.html |
| 23:54.03 | Shefki | kd3: I think you're being overly optomistic if you think we're going to get any response from Blizzard. |
| 23:54.16 | Dagmar | The cheese-steak place at Fillmore and Haight got the hang of me and my housemates favories in less than a month |
| 23:54.17 | Shefki | kd3: They wouldn't even answer if specific addons were ok or not in the past. |
| 23:54.29 | Shefki | kd3: What makes you think they're gonna reply to this stuff... |
| 23:54.33 | Dagmar | Of course, it helped that we were a bizarre lot |
| 23:54.38 | kd3 | the community exploding? |
| 23:54.39 | bleeter | I suspect Blizz legal are sitting waiting for someone to take them on in court, before they say anything |
| 23:54.43 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. |
| 23:54.52 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: depends if you think its bad that the chinese place here knows our address and phone number after just telling them the order when we call in for takeout |
| 23:54.53 | Shefki | If they do anything they'll just change the policy and post something saying "Policy has been changed please read it at...." |
| 23:55.07 | Shefki | Or they'll simply do nothing. |
| 23:55.20 | Dagmar | bleeter: Doubtful. Theres' likely at least one member of management going "Damnit, I like Outfitter..." |
| 23:55.20 | bleeter | problem is, afaict, really, that the 'policy' is a plain english version of the EULA/ToS... so they really can't change the policy without changing the EULA/ToS |
| 23:55.21 | Shefki | kd3: The forums exploded when they turned on adds too. |
| 23:55.30 | Shefki | kd3: People will eventually get tired of it and stop. |
| 23:55.34 | seebs | Ackis, that's not bad. |
| 23:55.38 | Dagmar | bleeter: Ah but they can elaborate more |
| 23:55.40 | seebs | (BTW, thanks for the awesome recipe list addon. I love it.) |
| 23:56.04 | seebs | The local Subway has figured out my order. Once I went to their drive-through, and I said "hello", and they just gave me my total. |
| 23:56.06 | seebs | They were right. |
| 23:56.10 | bleeter | Dagmar: what's more to elaborate? EULA/ToS has always had this BS position in it if not explicitly, then implied |
| 23:56.15 | bleeter | er inferred |
| 23:56.16 | bleeter | um |
| 23:56.24 | bleeter | damn I never get those two around the right way /sigh |
| 23:56.34 | seebs | Implied. |
| 23:56.40 | Shefki | bleeter: I don't think they don't sell addon stuff is in the EULA/ToU |
| 23:56.42 | bleeter | they imply, i infer |
| 23:56.49 | Dagmar | bleeter; If nothing else they could quote the definition of "solicitation" to shut the trolls up |
| 23:56.51 | seebs | "non-commercial". |
| 23:57.04 | WobWork | My local coffeeshop could probably figure out what I want, except I tend to mix up my orders so I'm not actually predicatable |
| 23:57.12 | WobWork | Cause I -like- to be asked what I want to drink =P |
| 23:57.18 | Dagmar | I dont' think they're going to budge on the "no payment-required addons" bit tho |
| 23:57.29 | seebs | Probably not. |
| 23:57.38 | seebs | Which means I really want to wave the Tutorial Addon question at them. :) |
| 23:57.41 | WobWork | Dagmar: That's fine by me. It's the donations bit that could be adjusted |
| 23:57.49 | Dagmar | WobWork: Absolutely |
| 23:57.50 | seebs | My guess, and I can't prove it, is that their position would be "fine, go ahead, not our problem." |
| 23:58.17 | Shefki | seebs: THe response will be silence as it always has been when asking for clarrifcation on any policy. |
| 23:58.23 | Dagmar | I can see them not being amused at the idea that if they add something into the default interface that someone else is selling as their commercial product, that said coders are liable to sue |
| 23:58.25 | seebs | Well, yeah. |
| 23:58.36 | Shefki | seebs: It's not like the pay for addon stuff hasn't come up over the past 4 years. |
| 23:58.36 | WobWork | hehe hi2uapple |
| 23:58.42 | seebs | Dagmar, you mean the way Netscape sued MS for including IE? :) |
| 23:58.44 | Shefki | seebs: It's come up over and over and over on the forums. |
| 23:58.47 | Dagmar | Shefki: When did it come up |
| 23:58.55 | WobWork | rdx? |
| 23:58.58 | Dagmar | seebs: Something like that yes. There's grounds for it |
| 23:58.59 | seebs | Honestly, I am pretty sure they got surprised by something. |
| 23:59.00 | Shefki | Dagmar: THere's been pay addons since back in vanilla. |
| 23:59.02 | Shefki | RDX |
| 23:59.13 | Shefki | People whined about that on the forums. |
| 23:59.13 | Dagmar | Shefki: That doesn't mean it's come up in any sense |
| 23:59.19 | Shefki | Blizz did nothing and didn't even reply to the threads. |
| 23:59.27 | seebs | Seriously, if they'd gotten everything organized and planned out, would the announcement come from Cairenn? I don't think so. |
| 23:59.37 | Shefki | Dagmar: People have specifically posted asking them for clarrification if it's ok. |
| 23:59.43 | Cairenn | the "announcement" didn't come from me |
| 23:59.44 | Shefki | Dagmar: They've ignored the issue till now. |
| 23:59.50 | Cairenn | why does everyone keep thinking it did? |
