| 00:00.00 | Shefki | Shirik: How am I being stupid? |
| 00:00.10 | Cairenn | step back guys |
| 00:00.12 | Cairenn | take a breath |
| 00:00.17 | Shirik | Shefki: you're the one who brought it up after I had already said we would review them |
| 00:00.18 | Shefki | I just called stupid, I'm not dropping it till he explains himself. |
| 00:00.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: totally need to op me :) |
| 00:00.24 | Shefki | I didn't say it after you did. |
| 00:00.27 | Shefki | I typed that before. |
| 00:00.35 | Shefki | And I didn't bring it up. |
| 00:02.06 | Dewin | Does anybody know of an addon that'll let you look at Bind to account items from the perspective of a toon of a different level? |
| 00:02.16 | Shirik | that is a really good idea |
| 00:02.25 | Xinhuan | don't think there is one yet, but its not particularly hard |
| 00:02.31 | foxlit | the default UI one already includes a level 1 |
| 00:02.33 | Xinhuan | to write a 2 line macro ;p |
| 00:02.40 | Xinhuan | to do it |
| 00:02.41 | Legorol | afaik it's not possible (i could be wrong ofc), unless the addon actually knows the scaling formulae and calcualtes the stats |
| 00:02.42 | Dewin | I figure it'd just be a matter of manipulating the item link |
| 00:02.47 | Xinhuan | it is |
| 00:02.49 | Shefki | Dewin: Go to wowhead, copy use the link button. |
| 00:02.58 | Xinhuan | just change the 9th part number from 80 to whatever level you want |
| 00:03.08 | Shefki | Dewin: At the end of the item link add a :45 for level 45. |
| 00:03.15 | Legorol | Xinhuan: i thought the level part of the item link is ignored, am i misinformed? |
| 00:03.22 | Xinhuan | it is not ignored |
| 00:03.25 | Shefki | Legorol: It's not. |
| 00:03.28 | kmcguire | Zorba: Did you include a notice in your donation request and donations are not tax deductible? |
| 00:03.29 | Legorol | then i'm misinformed, cool :) |
| 00:03.29 | Dewin | That makes me wonder about the *other* oddity I've noticed with BTA items. |
| 00:03.34 | kmcguire | and/that |
| 00:03.38 | bleeter | mmmm I think I just upset the wallaby by playing my Tool really loud >< |
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| 00:03.54 | Dewin | If you look at a mail BTA item as a shaman or hunter pre-level 40, it scales down to leather. |
| 00:03.56 | Xinhuan | the 9th part number is always the level of the person that generated the link |
| 00:03.58 | ZorbaTHut | kmc, no, because they wouldn't be - I'm not a registered non-profit |
| 00:03.58 | Dewin | if you look at it on a druid pre-level 40, it doesn't |
| 00:03.59 | bleeter | li'l bastard needs to stop eating all the apples, imo |
| 00:04.20 | Xinhuan | yeah that would be internal wow coding |
| 00:04.26 | Xinhuan | we can't do much about it |
| 00:04.36 | kmcguire | ZorbatHut: I think you can get into big trouble if someone happens to list you on their taxes as a deductible, and you did not include that information maybe? I do not know if this is true. |
| 00:04.39 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm not entirely sure that "I make UI mods for a vidya game" is an allowed model for a non-profit :) |
| 00:04.47 | Shirik | Dewin: Funny thing is, that's not really true |
| 00:04.50 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: sure is |
| 00:04.55 | Dewin | Shirik: I've tested it. |
| 00:04.56 | Shirik | Dewin: For example, the plate shoulders |
| 00:04.59 | ZorbaTHut | kmc, I'm pretty sure I'm not required to specify that it's *not* tax-deductible |
| 00:05.02 | Shirik | They can be both mail and plate at 40 |
| 00:05.09 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: non-profit organisation whose purpose is to provide an addon that does what QH does |
| 00:05.16 | Shirik | so what exactly changes to make it different between the two, I don't know |
| 00:05.17 | Shefki | ZorbaTHut: I kinda doubt you can get 501(c) status. |
| 00:05.21 | malreth | I'm holding all you addon authors hostage, see |
| 00:05.21 | Shirik | Oh I misread, sorry |
| 00:05.25 | ZorbaTHut | shefki, it would be kind of amusing to try |
| 00:05.28 | Dewin | Shirik: I know they scale down. The oddity is, they only scale down if your class can scale up. |
| 00:05.31 | Shirik | Yes, the question is what exactly makes that difference Dewin |
| 00:05.40 | malreth | i'm gonna tell you how you gonna do things from now on, see |
| 00:05.47 | Shefki | ZorbaTHut: Then again you might, the standard is that it has to be a public good. |
| 00:05.52 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=175418,00.html |
| 00:05.56 | ZorbaTHut | "fostering national or international amateur sports competition" |
| 00:05.58 | Shirik | Example: My paladin's plate shoulders were mail until I got to 40, and they STAYED mail until I got the plate ability |
| 00:06.05 | Shefki | But I think the fact you only make addons for a game that you have to pay to play would make it difficult. |
| 00:06.12 | ZorbaTHut | can I claim arenas as an "amateur sport", then say I'm helping people level for arenas? |
| 00:06.14 | malreth | first of all... it'd be a shame if anything happened to your precious addons |
| 00:06.16 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: my advice to you would be to look for an open source project you're familiar with who is non-profit but takes donations, and ask their leads how they went around it |
| 00:06.16 | malreth | see |
| 00:06.28 | ZorbaTHut | "preventing cruelty to children" |
| 00:06.29 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: rather than talking to people who've never done it before ;) |
| 00:06.42 | ZorbaTHut | if you've seen some of those old quest descriptions, those could easily count as "cruelty" |
| 00:06.47 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm pretty sure some children play WoW |
| 00:07.09 | Xinhuan | have you seen that icecrown euthanasia quest |
| 00:07.13 | bleeter | well I have to explain rape to an 8 y/o 'coz of fucking mankrik's wife |
| 00:07.16 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure if i like that quest |
| 00:07.35 | bleeter | that was a fun day, yeah |
| 00:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: ........... |
| 00:07.39 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, seriously, my mom's actually in the middle of starting up a 501(c) corp and I've been a little bit involved, it just wouldn't be possible to get QH under that :) |
| 00:07.50 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, if you're fucking mankrik's wife, you're doing the quest wrong |
| 00:07.52 | Xinhuan | the quest asks you to find 5 nearly dying soldiers and for you to stab them and finish them off |
| 00:09.22 | malreth | now, since you addon authors can't charge moolah for yer addons, i'll cut you all a deal |
| 00:09.40 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: well, /shrug. I only know what the Pidgin guys did to protect them from AOL |
| 00:09.47 | malreth | one breakfast muffin a day and nothing... unfortunate will happen to yer addons |
| 00:09.57 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: I admit that was with EFF etc. help, but can't help but thinking not too dis-similar |
| 00:10.30 | bleeter | seriously, too.. the AOL legal threat was a lot more real than BLizz's current legal threats |
| 00:11.11 | malreth | if you can't pay up in muffins... cinnamon toast will be appreciated |
| 00:11.19 | bleeter | LAMINGTONS |
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| 00:12.31 | bleeter | and that's when I said dolby was a moron and why everyone agreed with me |
| 00:12.36 | bleeter | oh hai iDolby |
| 00:12.42 | WobWork | bleeter: Hm, the "No means No" lesson isn't a bad thing to be taught early |
| 00:13.01 | WobWork | still.. AWKWARD |
| 00:13.13 | bleeter | WobWork: the weed smoking stuff was more awkward tbh |
| 00:13.36 | iDolby | I agree Dolby is a moron |
| 00:13.56 | WobWork | Is this the new and improved Macintosh Dolby? |
| 00:14.02 | WobWork | Smaller! |
| 00:14.05 | WobWork | More portable! |
| 00:14.11 | WobWork | (Five Times As Expensive!) |
| 00:14.16 | iDolby | Phone |
| 00:14.52 | bleeter | oooh digital gestures |
| 00:15.36 | iDolby | Thanks been missing that finger |
| 00:16.03 | iDolby | Hard to type with out it |
| 00:16.22 | bleeter | yeah sorry for the overwork I gave it |
| 00:17.04 | WobWork | >< |
| 00:17.10 | WobWork | who knows where that finger has been =( |
| 00:17.28 | iDolby | Smells funny |
| 00:18.08 | bleeter | it's been pointing a lot at a certain apple-tree-destroying wallaby grrrr |
| 00:18.41 | bleeter | so hard to be angry with the wallaby though, new construction nearby has pretty much destroyed it's home :( |
| 00:18.56 | iDolby | :( |
| 00:19.27 | WobWork | poor wallaby |
| 00:20.14 | iDolby | Wallaby's mortgade defaulted? |
| 00:20.29 | bleeter | yeah local council has no wildlife policy, yet they bitch about all the roadkill. I'm all 'well doh how about some wildlife corridors in your town planning, morons??' |
| 00:21.34 | Shefki | bleeter: Didn't you know wildlife doesn't have a right to exist. They posted a policy on the internets. |
| 00:21.47 | bleeter | iDolby: well, yeah.. the new houses going in.. won't get residents for 5 or 10 years... no market |
| 00:24.01 | bleeter | "rm * -f -r" << WUT? |
| 00:24.16 | malreth | UNIX FAIL |
| 00:24.45 | bleeter | i'ma call him iFailby from now on |
| 00:25.53 | WobWork | WallaDolby? |
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| 00:25.59 | Dolby | yeah iDolby isnt too bright. I hate those damn fanboys |
| 00:26.15 | bleeter | stabemall |
| 00:26.21 | malreth | ~seen Lopeppeppy |
| 00:26.22 | purl | lopeppeppy <n=Lopeppep@cpe-69-204-134-64.nycap.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4h 32m 35s ago, saying: 'I love you all. Please remember the advice of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to one another". Ta!'. |
| 00:26.22 | bleeter | and while yer at it |
| 00:26.29 | malreth | ~seen Lunessa |
| 00:26.29 | purl | lunessa <n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 2h 25m 3s ago, saying: 'And on that note... freedom!'. |
| 00:26.29 | WobWork | bleeter: If you could develop that, you'd make a packet |
| 00:26.34 | bleeter | stap this other PC I'm working on stupid heisenhardware errors |
| 00:27.01 | WobWork | bleeter: You can tell when the error is going to occur or where it's going to occur but never both at the same time? |
| 00:27.07 | bleeter | WobWork: wait, what are you developing for me for free so I can profit from? |
| 00:27.17 | WobWork | addons? |
| 00:27.21 | bleeter | WobWork: ah yes, sounds good. send moar code. |
| 00:27.53 | Shefki | Make sure any ddonations you get aren't spent on food. That would be wrong ya know. |
| 00:27.54 | bleeter | then I'll make sure to rip it off by coding up something else not as good but more buggy. don't worry, might have it working in 2 years time. |
| 00:28.29 | malreth | I think Blizzard should allow paid addons but only if the author voted Republican in the last election. |
| 00:28.49 | bleeter | serious ponder moment: |
| 00:29.09 | bleeter | Is the reason Casinos are allowed again because Morhaime's a part-time professional gambler? |
| 00:29.15 | bleeter | I see he's come 2nd in some pro comps |
| 00:29.17 | bleeter | got me wondering |
| 00:30.08 | Legorol | bleeter: that assumption is absurd, imho |
| 00:30.30 | WobWork | of course it is Legorol |
| 00:30.32 | Shirik | hrm |
| 00:30.33 | WobWork | It's bleeter |
| 00:30.34 | Shirik | I just survived malygos |
| 00:30.35 | Legorol | nice conspiracy theory though ^^ |
| 00:30.39 | bleeter | :P |
| 00:30.47 | Legorol | Shirik: grats, no try OS3D |
| 00:30.49 | bleeter | I'm just trying to come up with a sane reason for allowing casinos again |
| 00:30.51 | WobWork | Shirik: You sound disappointed |
| 00:30.51 | Legorol | s/no/now/ |
| 00:30.54 | Shirik | No, not what I mean |
| 00:30.57 | Shirik | I've already done 3D |
| 00:31.01 | Shirik | I mean we wiped on malygos P3 |
| 00:31.06 | bleeter | and when you remove all the probable reasons, whatever's left no matter how improbable... |
| 00:31.07 | Shirik | and all that happened is I ended back on the platform |
| 00:31.11 | bleeter | ... ie my conclusion |
| 00:31.17 | Legorol | we had that happen too once or twice |
| 00:31.19 | Legorol | weird bug |
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| 00:33.01 | bleeter | there's also the whole 'yes it's possible to operate a casino for RL $$ but no you can't seek donations for your addon' angle I don't get |
| 00:34.29 | Legorol | wut? |
| 00:34.38 | Legorol | operate a casino in-game for $$$? |
| 00:34.51 | bleeter | Legorol: if you haven't worked out how to do that by now, you're way behind |
| 00:34.53 | Shirik | (which you can't do btw) |
| 00:34.56 | Legorol | bleeter, you are weirder than usual |
| 00:35.03 | WobWork | I can understand the "Don't charge for your addons" ruling |
| 00:35.10 | Legorol | oh i see what you mean |
| 00:35.17 | WobWork | but the "You cannot ask for donations" angle is a bit meh |
| 00:35.33 | Legorol | but bleeter, there's a big difference between being able to get away with something, and whether you were meant to get away with it |
| 00:35.36 | bleeter | Legorol: couse I'm weirder than usual. monday morning bugger all coffee |
| 00:35.58 | WobWork | please don't remind me that it's only monday =( |
| 00:36.07 | bleeter | WobWork: soz mate |
| 00:36.11 | Legorol | no worries WobWork, it's Sunday |
| 00:36.11 | Kaso | its not you cannot ask for donation, its just you cant put donation nag screens in your addon |
| 00:36.12 | WobWork | =( |
| 00:36.29 | WobWork | Kaso: something many people fail to recognise =P |
| 00:36.34 | bleeter | Legorol: I'm just suprised Blizz are prepared to be a respondent in case someone actually does try it on |
| 00:36.46 | bleeter | Legorol: coz it's not exactly rocket surgery to set blizz up |
| 00:36.50 | WobWork | Kaso: The subsequent argument is that people get more donations with the nag screen than without |
| 00:36.51 | bleeter | as it stands atm |
| 00:37.18 | Kaso | true perhaps, but its annoying and i think most authors understand that i dont even know any addons that have donation nags in-game off the top of my head |
| 00:37.24 | Legorol | but would anyone actually be willing to try a legal battle with blizz, given their history in court? |
| 00:37.25 | Kaso | even though i know several with donation links on websites |
| 00:37.38 | Legorol | Kaso: QH |
| 00:37.42 | WobWork | Legorol: If it would get them money, yes |
| 00:37.58 | WobWork | Didn't QH just have a note on login in the chat window? |
| 00:37.59 | bleeter | Legorol: trick is one doesn't even need to go to court.... just need an insane minister for communications and an out of control department ;) |
| 00:38.02 | Legorol | WobWork: i meant, given that blizz has a history of winning in court |
| 00:38.14 | mikma | is kinda cool looking - http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info12859-Buffy.html |
| 00:38.16 | WobWork | bleeter: we're doomed =P |
| 00:38.22 | bleeter | and WobWork should be able to work out where my mind is going from that statement |
| 00:38.55 | bleeter | WobWork: time to start digging for stuff to report to ACMA eh? ;) |
| 00:39.21 | WobWork | There's this nice site about sane filtering I should get added |
| 00:39.42 | mikma | wobwork: dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooome! |
| 00:39.54 | WobWork | dome? |
| 00:40.05 | bleeter | i met one of the acma lawyers the other month... poor guy,really felt bad for him. 'hey,it's a job.. didn't know I'd be doing this when I signed on, gotta pay the rent somewhow' |
| 00:40.28 | WobWork | bleeter: Isn't that most of the people? |
| 00:40.38 | WobWork | It's only the rabid insane few that ruin it for everyone else |
| 00:40.46 | mikma | wobwork: ya, from simpsons movie =D |
| 00:41.04 | WobWork | mikma: oh, I only ever saw that once, not enough to recall all the references =P |
| 00:41.10 | foxlit|mac | whee |
| 00:41.11 | bleeter | here's another stupid angle |
| 00:41.11 | mikma | wobwork: homer starts to yell the "DO'H" but goes like DOOOOOOOOOOOOME |
| 00:41.25 | bleeter | you can't ask for addon donations, but you can sell a trading game card for RL $$$ for thousands |
| 00:41.36 | bleeter | (in game, that is) |
| 00:42.14 | foxlit|mac | It would appear that I have no network |
| 00:42.24 | bleeter | foxlit|mac: correct coz I can't see you post |
| 00:43.51 | Shefki | bleeter: ISTR seeing something on the customer service forums saying that you actually couldn't. |
| 00:44.01 | Shefki | bleeter: They don't care if you sell the cards, just not on game. |
| 00:44.54 | bleeter | nah you can use the game as the communication medium to organise a RL transfer of an item. it's the RL<>Virtual thing that gets awfully messy |
| 00:45.27 | Shefki | Maybe that was it, I know some people were selling cards for in game gold. |
| 00:45.32 | bleeter | 'coz Blizz seem to claim in some cases their IP has a value, and in others it doesn't... /shrug |
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| 00:45.55 | bleeter | yeah can't sell the card for gold, but can for $$. can't sell the resultant code to be input @ Londo for $$, but can for gold |
| 00:46.10 | bleeter | at least, that's the theory. there are holes big enough to drive those new airbus through |
| 00:46.12 | Shefki | bleeter: Well with that stuff I think their concern is a tax issue. If RL goods get traded for in game stuff then in game stuff has real value and it's income. |
| 00:46.28 | Shefki | bleeter: And if it's income then it's a mess for people that just want to play the game as a game. |
| 00:47.12 | bleeter | Shefki: lemme ask you a question. would you say that the code input into londo @ BB has a value, or any type? |
| 00:47.19 | Legorol | not to mention that "ownership" of in-game assets is a grey area |
| 00:47.20 | bleeter | *of any type |
| 00:47.55 | bleeter | Legorol: yup, and one I'm really interested in seeing the first test cases for |
| 00:48.17 | bleeter | Legorol: afaik very few game companies could actually wade through the court cases required to establish precedents |
| 00:48.26 | Legorol | delineating in-game transactions from RL as much as possible makes it a bit more defendable that in-game assets aren't owned by the account holder |
| 00:48.37 | Shefki | bleeter: Of course it has value, but it's a convenient legal position to try to avoid it having value. |
| 00:48.56 | Legorol | Shefki: you don't even need to avoid it having value, just don't let that value be held by the user. |
| 00:49.02 | Legorol | Retain the value for Blizz :) |
| 00:49.08 | Legorol | and give the user a *licence* to use it |
| 00:49.13 | Shefki | Legorol: True. |
| 00:49.24 | Shefki | I think the mistake they made was to ever have the card game stuff though. |
| 00:49.32 | Legorol | why is it a mistake? |
| 00:49.33 | bleeter | ah but if someone pays $15 p/m to access it, it obviously has some value to that person too |
| 00:49.41 | Legorol | It's not a mistake if they don't lose a big court case as a result |
| 00:49.52 | Shirik | Christ |
| 00:49.53 | Legorol | bleeter: having access to it has value, and that's what you pay for |
| 00:49.58 | Shirik | are still on this whole "who owns the game" deal? |
| 00:50.02 | Shirik | I thought we went over this this morning |
| 00:50.02 | bleeter | Shefki: no |
| 00:50.14 | bleeter | er |
| 00:50.16 | bleeter | Shirik: no |
| 00:50.20 | Legorol | Shirik: but you got it wrong, because I ownz j00 |
| 00:50.29 | Shirik | nah nah |
| 00:50.32 | Shirik | I do a good job of owning myself |
| 00:50.43 | Legorol | if you did, you could sell yourself |
| 00:50.46 | Legorol | which you can't |
| 00:50.48 | bleeter | Shirik: I was trying to reach a consensus on the definition of value |
| 00:50.50 | Shefki | Legorol: I just think it makes it harder to separate in game stuff from out of game stuff. |
| 00:50.58 | Legorol | Shefki: definitely agreed |
| 00:51.49 | bleeter | Shirik: 'coz .au gaming laws are very strict when prizes have a value of any type |
| 00:51.49 | Shirik | what prize has value? |
| 00:51.49 | WobWork | Shirik: pwned |
| 00:51.56 | bleeter | WTS: [Scrollback key] |
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| 01:02.53 | GitFinger | AND NOw IT'S KREMMEN TIME!!! |
| 01:05.21 | Shirik | wtf is a kremmen |
| 01:06.25 | GitFinger | kids today... /sigh |
| 01:06.49 | GitFinger | Kremmen was a cartoon character invented by a very famous 1960-70's pirate radio DJ in the UK |
| 01:07.27 | GitFinger | whilst he did a rather adult TV show, it nevertheless played in .au at around 6PM weeknights |
| 01:08.12 | Shefki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Kremmen |
| 01:08.49 | Corrodias | i was just wondering, if we put value on game items, do we want to put value on game life? |
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| 01:09.10 | Shefki | Corrodias: $1 per 20k health. :P |
| 01:09.22 | Corrodias | i think we want to stay away from that, considering how many of us are guilty of torture and genocide if we do. |
| 01:11.59 | NeoTron | man still talking about the rule changes.. :P |
| 01:12.05 | NeoTron | it's like it's Friday again |
| 01:12.13 | WobWork | I wish it were |
| 01:12.18 | WobWork | then the weekend would be ahead of me |
| 01:12.44 | Corrodias | we're talking about your mom |
| 01:13.50 | WobWork | Yeah, no soliciting donations on Neo' mom |
| 01:21.37 | PProvost | wtb Textile support on wowi |
| 01:23.13 | Shirik | Textile support? |
| 01:25.33 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 01:25.56 | WobWork | linen |
| 01:26.03 | WobWork | cotton |
| 01:28.30 | Shirik | o.o |
| 01:28.42 | Shirik | no comment |
| 01:29.23 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:29.43 | PProvost | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textile_(markup_language) |
| 01:30.21 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:31.21 | Shirik | Any particular reason, PProvost? |
| 01:31.28 | Legorol | link is borked for me :( |
| 01:31.45 | PProvost | Shirik: Because I'm already using that format for two other sites. |
| 01:31.51 | kd3 | wtf? how do I have 1777 bonus damage and 1823 bonus healing as a mage? |
| 01:31.53 | PProvost | And put the .textile file in my zip |
| 01:32.03 | PProvost | So it would all get easy peasy |
| 01:32.15 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I've seen that bug. Relog, zoning, sometimes even reloading fixes it |
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| 01:32.49 | Cairenn | PProvost: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 ;) |
| 01:41.42 | PProvost | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21346 |
| 01:41.46 | PProvost | :D |
| 01:41.50 | Cairenn | thanks PProvost :) |
| 01:41.55 | PProvost | No, thank Y OU |
| 01:42.37 | foxlit | grumble grumble, java. |
| 01:43.40 | kd3 | I *<3* one-shotting level 80 mobs with 12k hp |
| 01:47.20 | Gnarfoz | me too. |
| 01:47.21 | batrick | Man reading the UI forums makes me angry |
| 01:47.56 | foxlit | Man doing this assignment makes me angry! |
| 01:48.07 | kd3 | which is why I'm one-shotting mobs up in storm peaks instead |
| 01:48.11 | kd3 | that makes me feel great |
| 01:48.27 | foxlit | I mean, it's just *evil* to put errors in already-created sections of code in the "fill in your code" template. |
| 01:48.56 | smoke_ | is there an action bar addon that will swap bars on certain buffs like shadow dance? |
| 01:49.12 | Gnarfoz | not possible, right? :> |
| 01:49.29 | NeoTron | so what's a good bittorrent windows client these days? |
| 01:49.35 | kd3 | utorrent? |
| 01:49.38 | Gnarfoz | utorrent |
| 01:49.40 | NeoTron | good = small, free, and not bloated to hell |
| 01:50.20 | Gnarfoz | they should have an IDN domain, IMHO |
| 01:50.32 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 01:50.46 | smoke_ | bit torrent took over utorrent |
| 01:50.48 | Shirik | is that like ATM machine? |
| 01:50.55 | smoke_ | their default client is the utorrent client im pretty sure now |
| 01:51.12 | Gnarfoz | Shiibot: not really |
| 01:51.18 | NeoTron | looks like a good client |
| 01:51.21 | Shirik | ~idn |
| 01:51.26 | Shirik | ~wiki idn |
| 01:51.26 | NeoTron | 262k download is !bloated :P |
| 01:51.33 | Gnarfoz | yes, it "domain" |
| 01:51.34 | Shirik | Internationalized Domain Name Domain |
| 01:51.38 | Gnarfoz | *it's "domain" |
| 01:52.09 | Gnarfoz | however, context :P |
| 01:52.40 | Gnarfoz | www.μTorrent.com :( |
| 01:52.44 | Gnarfoz | http://www.xn--torrent-jof.com/ ^^ |
| 01:52.45 | *** join/#wowuidev seebs (n=seebs@home.seebs.net) |
| 01:58.08 | batrick | anyone know if you can delete files from curseforge for a project? |
| 01:58.28 | Shirik | I can delete your face from a project |
| 01:58.34 | batrick | no u |
| 02:00.15 | ZorbaTHut | I can delete your mom from a project |
| 02:05.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Thelyna (n=burp@122-57-249-52.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 02:08.03 | Tekkub | I can delete your project |
| 02:08.06 | Tekkub | :P |
| 02:08.25 | Wraithan | Anyone use healbot and know how to turn up the alpha on the text on the bars without having to turn up the whole bar's alpha? |
| 02:08.26 | batrick | seriously? |
| 02:09.12 | Tekkub | batbot, dealete what files, you mean the zipped packages? |
| 02:09.12 | batbot | Tekkub, Most likely. |
| 02:09.22 | Tekkub | batbot, fuck off |
| 02:09.49 | batrick | I want curse to remove my entire Spellcraft addon + repository from the site. |
| 02:10.10 | Tekkub | ah, that you'd probably have to bug Kaelten |
| 02:10.12 | Arrowmaster | link? |
| 02:10.25 | WobWork | yeah, that requires a moderator to do the deletion |
| 02:10.35 | batrick | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/spellcraft.aspx |
| 02:10.36 | Arrowmaster | you should be able to delete it yourself from curseforge |
| 02:10.43 | batrick | couldn't find anything for that |
| 02:11.45 | Arrowmaster | try edit project and changing 'development stage' to deleted |
| 02:12.35 | batrick | didn't actually do anything |
| 02:12.58 | Arrowmaster | if it says deleted it should be removed from curse after a while |
| 02:13.19 | Arrowmaster | This project is deleted |
| 02:13.19 | Arrowmaster | This project has been marked as deleted, likely by the author. |
| 02:13.20 | Arrowmaster | This should only be visible to members of the project and moderators. |
| 02:13.55 | Arrowmaster | it should be gone from curse in 10 minutes or less |
| 02:16.10 | kd3 | I don't even want to look at the UI forum tonight |
| 02:16.14 | kd3 | that's a pretty bad sign |
| 02:16.51 | Tekkub | why? |
| 02:16.56 | Tekkub | I never want to look at it |
| 02:17.11 | Tekkub | and my quality of life went up when I stopped |
| 02:17.28 | WobWork | Tekkub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9og9YZu8gI <-- Pole Dancing Bear |
| 02:18.33 | Tekkub | okey.... |
| 02:18.57 | Tekkub | have you ever scratched your back on a tree? |
| 02:19.00 | Tekkub | it's damn good shit |
| 02:19.24 | Tekkub | my dad used a nice log for the center support in his house for exactly that reason |
| 02:23.44 | PProvost | tree bark has just the right mix of coarse and fine abrasives, eh? |
| 02:23.48 | PProvost | :) |
| 02:24.06 | batrick | Cairenn: Shirik: ping |
| 02:24.13 | Cairenn | batrick: pong |
| 02:24.17 | PProvost | Tekkub: vote - http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21346 |
| 02:24.40 | Tekkub | curse does textile? |
| 02:24.46 | PProvost | They do now |
| 02:24.54 | batrick | Could you please remove the spellcraft files from my page. I've got a boycott notice up and stopped development. If you would rather the whole page were taken down I would understand. |
| 02:24.58 | Tekkub | I never noticed them add it since I already had a converter |
| 02:25.01 | PProvost | And can autogen from the repo ala github |
| 02:25.16 | Cairenn | batrick: link to it? |
| 02:25.23 | Wraithan | PProvost: bad link in post |
| 02:25.32 | batrick | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7061-Spellcraft.html |
| 02:25.51 | PProvost | Wraithan: bad auto linker in wowi forum editor |
| 02:25.54 | batrick | Also, please take down this as well: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8923-SpellcraftFanUpdate.html |
| 02:25.55 | PProvost | :D |
| 02:25.57 | PProvost | I'll fix it |
| 02:26.18 | PProvost | Fixed |
| 02:26.52 | Arrowmaster | ugg wtf, clean my glasses and i still cant focus on anything with my left eye, this is bad |
| 02:27.11 | Cairenn | batrick: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7061-Spellcraft.html |
| 02:27.22 | batrick | Thanks |
| 02:27.23 | Tekkub | arrow... your eyes fucked like mine? |
| 02:27.28 | PProvost | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8923-SpellcraftFanUpdate.html is a fan update |
| 02:27.29 | Cairenn | that work for you? |
| 02:27.34 | Tekkub | right won't focus properly without special contacts |
| 02:27.37 | batrick | yes that works great |
| 02:27.47 | Tekkub | left does the same thing if I strain too hard, but it goes away soon |
| 02:27.53 | batrick | but please remove the fan update one I linked above as well for copyright infringement |
| 02:28.04 | Cairenn | yup, removing right now |
| 02:28.10 | Tekkub | fan update FTL |
| 02:28.19 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: normally i just have bad eyesight, but my right is my dominint eye |
| 02:28.20 | *** join/#wowuidev ecstasia (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 02:28.27 | Tekkub | I'm glad I've not seen anyone do that shit with my old addons |
| 02:28.43 | Legorol | Im in ur eyez, dominating your sightz. |
| 02:28.44 | Cairenn | batrick: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8923-SpellcraftFanUpdate.html |
| 02:28.47 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, ah my left is dom, which is why I dn't notice how fucked the right is |
| 02:28.53 | batrick | Thanks again |
| 02:28.57 | batrick | you rock Cairenn |
| 02:29.04 | Tekkub | back when I had contacts I could lose the right one and not notice |
| 02:29.04 | malreth | So, Tekkub's right eye is sub? |
| 02:29.05 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 02:29.26 | Tekkub | also makes for really shitty depth perception >< |
| 02:29.28 | PProvost | Cairenn: We seeing much of that? People pulling addons over this? |
| 02:29.40 | Cairenn | there have been some, yes |
| 02:29.41 | Tekkub | cog pulled his macro guide |
| 02:29.49 | Cairenn | dozen or so, at this point |
| 02:29.54 | PProvost | Interesting |
| 02:30.02 | Arrowmaster | macro guide is still on wowwiki though |
| 02:30.02 | PProvost | Wonder if they expected this lastback |
| 02:30.16 | PProvost | macro guide can be reposted if you mean the forums one |
| 02:30.16 | kd3 | Arrowmaster, only because we reminded him that it's under the gfdl if its on the wiki |
| 02:30.16 | Arrowmaster | but i dont think blizzard can legally copy it back to their forums can they? |
| 02:30.19 | Tekkub | yea he can't pull it from the wiki *snicker* |
| 02:30.22 | seebs | I suspect not, but it's hard to say. |
| 02:30.25 | Legorol | hm, maybe i should offer a free version of my addon, to show positive support of the new policy |
| 02:30.36 | PProvost | haha |
| 02:30.44 | seebs | I'm really torn on the policy, I think they went a bit far, but I don't really think it's very surprising. |
| 02:30.58 | kd3 | part of me thinks the legal team wrote this without much input from the ui team and what our reaction to it was going to be |
| 02:31.13 | Tekkub | I'm to the point where the policy doesn't mean jack shit till they go after Carbonite |
| 02:31.19 | kd3 | that too |
| 02:31.20 | malreth | if they didn't do it now, they'd just have to do it later after some other author abuses it |
| 02:31.21 | Tekkub | since we all know Carbonite's the cause |
| 02:31.22 | batrick | you should be against it because of the precedent Blizzard is setting |
| 02:31.39 | batrick | not because it is convenient addons like carbonite are fucked |
| 02:31.40 | seebs | Well, my thought is... It's like the ban on real-money exchanges. They want to make sure that they don't get into a situation where someone can claim real monetary damage from an in-game change. |
| 02:31.42 | mikma | tekkub: and BangCraft |
| 02:31.46 | kd3 | I am against it because of the precedent they're setting. just like I'm still displeased at how bnetd and the glider cases went down |
| 02:31.52 | Legorol | batrick: which would be... what exactly? "in our game, play by our rules" hardly surprising |
| 02:31.54 | mikma | i blame both, carbonite and bangcraft |
| 02:31.57 | seebs | I'm unsure about the precedent. |
| 02:32.02 | Tekkub | what did Bangy do? yes I know it was for pay |
| 02:32.02 | WobWork | Tekkub: my eyes are the same as yours |
| 02:32.17 | Tekkub | WobWork, Katerkonis? (sp?) |
| 02:32.21 | batrick | Legorol: because game companies tend to borrow ideas from each other |
| 02:32.28 | Legorol | kd3: did you bother reading up on the Glider case? because I did |
| 02:32.29 | WobWork | Tekkub: no idea, lemme look |
| 02:32.35 | seebs | Honestly, I don't think I care. In practice, they could always ban any addon they want, making it "unauthorized," and then its use is a ToS violation. So they could shut an addon down in practice whenever. Now they're saying "here's what you have to do for us not to call you unauthorized". |
| 02:32.41 | Legorol | I actually like half of the things they went down for, and only dislike half :) |
| 02:32.51 | mikma | OH LOOK! UI policy discussion |
| 02:32.52 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: i banned his ass from curse because one of his obfiscuated addons had a 'feature' that whispered him if the user targeted him on his server |
| 02:33.01 | mikma | once again! why am i not surprised |
| 02:33.02 | Tekkub | does your eye bulge out? causes bright lights to "smear" |
| 02:33.07 | Tekkub | and heavy contrasts |
| 02:33.09 | WobWork | Tekkub: wow, there's no wiki page on kertakonis |
| 02:33.10 | batrick | Honestly it's a load of crap because _WoW_ loads the addons, not us |
| 02:33.24 | mikma | arrowmaster: lol wut addon? |
| 02:33.24 | seebs | ? |
| 02:33.31 | Tekkub | there's a wikipedia one |
| 02:33.32 | Arrowmaster | mikma: bang pvp i think |
| 02:33.36 | Tekkub | we're just spelling it wrong |
| 02:33.44 | batrick | It was very different with WoWGlider because it would scan WoW's memory |
| 02:33.45 | WobWork | mine don't bulge out really... I do get the coronas around lights, but I thought that was due to astigmatism |
| 02:33.58 | batrick | which was a huge basis upon which the judgement was built |
| 02:34.00 | Legorol | batrick: this situation is in no way analogous to Glider |
| 02:34.01 | WobWork | but my right eye is dominant |
| 02:34.03 | mikma | arrowmaster: err.. so if alliance targeted him? |
| 02:34.09 | Legorol | batrick: no it wasn't, read the case files |
| 02:34.15 | batrick | I have |
| 02:34.19 | WobWork | and I lived quite happily on one contact lens when I lost the left one skiing =P |
| 02:34.33 | mikma | arrowmaster: i mean he playes alliance and alliance members target him |
| 02:34.33 | WobWork | although I ended up with a headache by the end of the day due to misfocus |
| 02:34.34 | Arrowmaster | mikma: it would whisper him with the addon name and version if he was targeted |
| 02:34.37 | Tekkub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keratoconus |
| 02:34.40 | Tekkub | there we are |
| 02:34.46 | Tekkub | that's how my eyes is fuckeded |
| 02:34.53 | mikma | arrowmaster: he must have loved the spam |
| 02:35.08 | seebs | My mom's glasses let her see nearby things in one eye and far-away things in the other. |
| 02:35.17 | seebs | Her eyes are so different that this is the same prescription for each lens. |
| 02:35.20 | PProvost | Tekkub: UGH |
| 02:35.25 | PProvost | That sucks man |
| 02:35.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (i=Dark_Elf@ip122.net253.mw.net) |
| 02:35.35 | WobWork | Tekkub: I don't have that =\ |
| 02:35.49 | Legorol | Glider lost because of 1) tortious interference with contract (ie. MDY caused users to break their contract with Blizzard, 2) contributory and vicarious copyright infringement (ie. judge ruled that Glider users are breaking coyright laws, so MDY is a contributor) 3) DMCA violations (Warden was protecting stuff, users got past that protection in unauthorized manner with Glider, MDY gave the tool to them to do so) |
| 02:36.28 | Legorol | none of these rely on Glider reading WoW's memory space |
| 02:36.53 | mikma | tekkub: does that help you spot bears easier? =/ |
| 02:36.53 | seebs | I don't really see the legal cases coming into things for me. They don't have to be able to sue me to be able to blacklist my addon, and if I were to try to sneak a blacklisted addon in, that'd be a ToS violation. So... No point in pursuing this, for me. |
| 02:37.55 | Legorol | seebs: presumably Blizzard's strong statement that they *can* potentially sue you is to discourage people from doing so |
| 02:38.07 | Arrowmaster | you know if blizzard changed the wording on the new policy, removed the legal threat, and said they will block addons that violate the policy and pursue legal action against addons that evade the block it would be a lot better |
| 02:38.26 | batrick | Arrowmaster: completely agree |
| 02:38.26 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: might be better, but lot more limited in scope |
| 02:38.35 | mikma | i say sue everyone who has a letter o in the code |
| 02:38.36 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: thats the point |
| 02:38.37 | Legorol | the problem is that this policy has to give Blizz a wide scope |
| 02:38.58 | Arrowmaster | people dont like the idea they can sue for any of those without warning |
| 02:39.14 | Cairenn | I still wish people would take a step back and see what Blizz has to say about all of this next week. It was posted late on Friday. They (the legal time, that you know damn well are the ones that wrote this) have all been off for the weekend. We can conjucture all we want, but until we hear what Blizz has to say about what they mean by parts of it, whether there are compromises possible, etc, everyone has their knickers in a knot potenti |
| 02:39.23 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 02:39.25 | Legorol | It's best to have a policy with wide scope so they have legal basis if something *does* go wrong, and in practice do what they did until now, and only sue when you really got out of line. |
| 02:39.32 | WobWork | this ^^ |
| 02:39.49 | batrick | I think the author whiplash over the weekend is what they want to see. |
| 02:39.54 | WobWork | this ^^^ |
| 02:39.56 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.09 | malreth | they wanted to see who the true followers were |
| 02:40.15 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 02:40.20 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 02:40.21 | Legorol | malreth: wut? |
| 02:40.27 | mikma | cairenn: no! this needs to discussed about NOW!! |
| 02:40.29 | Codayus | There's still a big difference between "do X and you addon will be banned, circumvent it and you will be sued" and "do X and you will be sued". I suspect Bliz means the former, but they said the latter, and that's Not Good(tm). |
| 02:40.35 | malreth | you know... the ones that want to stay and protect the island |
| 02:40.58 | Arrowmaster | i saw we tell Zootfizzle that he needs to help them get the termonolgy correct on monday |
| 02:41.07 | Legorol | Codayus: i'm no lawyer, but i'd imagine their lawyers know what they are talking about, and for all i know there could've been reasons why they had to word it like the latter. |
| 02:41.12 | seebs | They didn't say that we WOULD be sued. |
| 02:41.16 | mikma | i say let the man be |
| 02:41.26 | Legorol | ^^ |
| 02:41.31 | Iriel | I say let the man be as well |
| 02:41.34 | seebs | They just said that we MIGHT be. Under some unspecified circumstances. |
| 02:41.35 | mikma | we can't change the stuff they don't wan't |
| 02:41.43 | Arrowmaster | im just picking on him |
| 02:41.52 | kd3 | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=121644#post121644 |
| 02:42.05 | Legorol | Actually, has anyone stopped to think for a moment about this: some people are complaining that it's not fair that blizz can sue any time for anything. |
| 02:42.07 | Iriel | the 45+ page thread is notice enough that if there is any re-wording that can be done, it'd be a good idea. |
| 02:42.19 | Legorol | At the same time, what they really do was make a clear statement about *what* they plan to sue about, if they do at all. |
| 02:42.27 | malreth | Legorol: do those people live in the same America that I do? |
| 02:42.45 | malreth | because... haha... man do they need their eyes opened |
| 02:42.51 | batrick | It's clear they are waiting for reactions from us because the thread has such a high post cap |
| 02:43.04 | Legorol | or maybe they just didn't want multiple threads |
| 02:43.04 | seebs | I don't think they want to make a clear specific statement, I think they want to leave their options open. |
| 02:43.05 | batrick | default is like 20 pages right? |
| 02:43.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah i thought the normal post cap was 500 |
| 02:43.10 | kd3 | 501 posts |
| 02:43.14 | seebs | But here, geeze, you can sue anyone for anything. |
| 02:43.19 | Arrowmaster | but that one has gone to like 1000 hasnt it? |
| 02:43.29 | Legorol | seebs: sorry let me rephrase. They made a clear statement that is very wide in scope to show that they *are* leaving their options open. |
| 02:43.40 | Iriel | I'd rather blizzard said "We'll try and sue people who refuse to abide by the policy and circumvent our attempts to restrict them" than have them say "We will be forced to remove addon functionality if there are people who will not abide by the policy" |
| 02:43.43 | malreth | Arrowmaster: based on these readings, it can go to... over NINE THOUSAAAAAAND!!! |
| 02:43.44 | Legorol | So you have been warned (not you seebs, but authors in general), and can't claim ignorance/surprise later. |
| 02:44.01 | Legorol | what Iriel said |
| 02:44.05 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 02:44.08 | malreth | old joke is old |
| 02:44.25 | malreth | imma gonna make some rice! |
| 02:44.27 | seebs | As someone who really relies on addons to make the game liveable for me, I am very glad that they seem to NOT be listing "disable all addons" as one of their choices. |
| 02:44.32 | seebs | That said... |
| 02:44.40 | mikma | malreth: you chinese farmer |
| 02:44.41 | seebs | Next time I get paid, I gotta donate me some money to some addon writers. |
| 02:44.43 | Legorol | I also think that some of the paragraphs might be reworded/clarified, but for all I know it's legally necessary to phrase them the way they are. |
| 02:45.01 | seebs | I'd guess the current phrasing was a bit rushed. |
| 02:45.12 | mikma | seedonate to me, i cant accept the money! wheeeee |
| 02:45.17 | Legorol | seebs, they probably wouldn't want to disable addons, unless as a last resort |
| 02:45.26 | Legorol | i'm pretty sure that Blizz benefits hugely from addons |
| 02:45.56 | Legorol | seebs: maybe it was rushed, in which case they can still narrow the scope later |
| 02:46.02 | batrick | god I hope 3.1 really fucks up the UI so everything breaks. Then all those fucking fanbois jumping in our UI forums can all be hypocrites together |
| 02:46.03 | malreth | they just don't want the game to look like the TVs from Idiocracy |
| 02:46.05 | mikma | ban them all |
| 02:46.05 | Legorol | in that case, the responses are rushed too ^^ |
| 02:46.24 | mikma | cairenn: discuss! now! it's not too late! |
| 02:46.45 | Arrowmaster | batrick: im 99% sure libjostle-3.0 will break along with everything that uses it and im not going to fix it |
| 02:46.45 | seebs | I wanna clean up some of my addon code at some point. I keep planning to, but I get distracted. |
| 02:46.58 | batrick | Arrowmaster++ |
| 02:47.07 | seebs | I keep getting sucked into WoW whenever I was gonna work on my addons. |
| 02:47.17 | Iriel | seebs: Since LK came out i've had the same problems |
| 02:47.19 | Legorol | There is one thing that I don't like in this whole mess, which is how a lot of users seem to have gotten vindictive. |
| 02:47.19 | foxlit | You know what we need? |
| 02:47.27 | Iriel | Damn the vast selection of dailies, damn it to hell! |
| 02:47.29 | foxlit | A graph of embed relations! |
| 02:47.31 | seebs | Heh. |
| 02:47.34 | Tekkub | PProvost, the sucky part is that if I want to actually correct it, which I'm afraid I will have to soon if I want to drive at night, I need expensive hybrid contacts |
| 02:47.35 | Legorol | They seem to use this policy to point at authors and go "hahaaa, in your face!" |
| 02:47.40 | Legorol | that is just so not what authors deserve |
| 02:47.51 | seebs | I've only got one 80, and he's not geared at all. |
| 02:47.54 | malreth | POPULIST RAGE |
| 02:48.01 | PProvost | Tekkub: Wow. At least it can be corrected. |
| 02:48.01 | malreth | you fat cat capitalist authors |
| 02:48.06 | Iriel | I'm not sure I like the implications that /most/ authors are disgruntled |
| 02:48.10 | Wraithan | I've got 3 80s, 2 are naxx25 geared |
| 02:48.10 | Iriel | I dont /think/ that's the case |
| 02:48.16 | Tekkub | I also can't get laser surgery |
| 02:48.19 | kd3 | not an author |
| 02:48.22 | Wraithan | and 3-4 in the 50-75 range |
| 02:48.23 | kd3 | still pissed |
| 02:48.24 | mikma | all of the rules are good |
| 02:48.25 | seebs | I'm pretty much not disgruntled. I've been madder than this for at least five patches. |
| 02:48.32 | WobWork | Tekkub: what about those implants? |
| 02:48.35 | seebs | I would like them to clarify what they mean by "solicit". |
| 02:48.44 | Legorol | advertise? |
| 02:48.52 | seebs | If an addon can have an "About this addon..." button or menu item that says "is supported by donations", then I have no complaints. |
| 02:48.58 | PProvost | Legorol: The users certainly do act entitled. |
| 02:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Quick straw poll |
| 02:49.03 | Tekkub | WobWork, long way off is ever hopefully |
| 02:49.04 | seebs | If they mean "no mention at all of donations", then I think that's too strong. |
| 02:49.09 | Tekkub | *if |
| 02:49.10 | malreth | i'm so angry, i went back and time and removed my addons... FORTH DIMENSIONALLY |
| 02:49.11 | Legorol | PProvost: worse than that, that's my problem :( |
| 02:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Who has mailed wowui@blizzard.com? |
| 02:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone? |
| 02:49.19 | seebs | If they mean "no spamming the user asking for donations", I'm fine with it. |
| 02:49.21 | kd3 | I've got a draft saved |
| 02:49.23 | Kirov | I have! ... n't |
| 02:49.25 | seebs | I haven't yet. I'm waiting for clarification. |
| 02:49.26 | WobWork | Tekkub: hm, I'm thinking that over here surgery like that would be covered, but since normal laser surgery is considered 'cosmetic', maybe not... |
| 02:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (Looking for numbers, not content) |
| 02:49.30 | Legorol | They act like " we are entitled to free addons, and screw you for trying to charge us, now you got to work for us for free!" |
| 02:49.32 | Tekkub | my right eye's been like this for about 10 years now, the left is just starting to do it |
| 02:49.33 | kd3 | I keep looking at it in different states of mind trying to make sure my points are eloquently put |
| 02:50.03 | Tekkub | WobWork, no, I mean I can't have laser surgery because of this, not that I can't afford to get it |
| 02:50.05 | Legorol | seebs: i don't think the donations clause is restricted to spamming |
| 02:50.06 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you are on the 'friend of blizzard' list arent you? |
| 02:50.11 | kd3 | no |
| 02:50.12 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: None of my addons contravene any of those rules, so I've not mailed them |
| 02:50.12 | seebs | Well, it says "solicit". |
| 02:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | So not too many people then |
| 02:50.20 | seebs | Solicit is a term of art. If this was written by the legal team... |
| 02:50.24 | kd3 | I just got invited to the alpha, thanks to hortus |
| 02:50.25 | Legorol | Although it does look overly broad in its current form, to me it suggests you can't have *any* mention of donations anywhere. |
| 02:50.33 | seebs | How so? |
| 02:50.39 | Codayus | I'm with Legorol on this one. |
| 02:50.41 | seebs | All I see is something saying you can't *solicit* donations. |
| 02:50.43 | Arrowmaster | hmm who was it that was on the 'friend of blizzard' list then? |
| 02:50.47 | kd3 | sixen |
| 02:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | You know I have to question what exactly we could have accomplished if instead of bickering for a solid weekend we tried to be a bit more constructive |
| 02:50.54 | Legorol | seebs: because any mention is a form of solicitation |
| 02:50.56 | seebs | Mentioning that an addon's development has been funded by donations is not a solicitation. |
| 02:51.02 | Tekkub | WobWork, "LASIK itself is absolutely contraindicated in keratoconus and other corneal thinning conditions as removal of corneal stromal tissue will further damage an already thin and weak cornea." |
| 02:51.13 | Sixen | kd3 |
| 02:51.13 | malreth | ScytheBlade1: we could have poured all that energy into building bike lanes in our cities |
| 02:51.14 | WobWork | Tekkub: ergh sucky |
| 02:51.15 | Codayus | Part 1 is also terrible in several ways, but the ban on charging for related services is BAD. |
| 02:51.17 | Sixen | sup |
| 02:51.19 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: and then some |
| 02:51.23 | Legorol | seebs: the mere fact that we disagree on whether it is or isn't implies that it is, i think |
| 02:51.27 | seebs | I don't think so. |
| 02:51.36 | Kirov | Solicit is a very broad term in itself. Mentioning something can be easily said to be solititation. |
| 02:51.36 | kd3 | sixen; [22:50:43] <Arrowmaster> hmm who was it that was on the 'friend of blizzard' list then? |
| 02:51.39 | seebs | The question is whether they mean solicit in the legal sense, or in a much broader sense. |
| 02:51.41 | Sixen | Oh :P |
| 02:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: sustained a small country with energy for a month, from the heat itself |
| 02:51.51 | kd3 | heya, though |
| 02:51.55 | Legorol | Codayus: yes the related services thing needs clearing up |
| 02:51.57 | Sixen | Hai, =) |
| 02:52.02 | malreth | seebs: i think they mean solicit like offering oral sex in exchange for money |
| 02:52.10 | seebs | I do agree that I'm not happy about not being allowed to charge money for related services, but I see why they have that there -- otherwise people like Carbonite would just sell a "subscription" to their "data" and have a mod that does nothing. |
| 02:52.22 | WobWork | Tekkub: hopefully the corneal inserts will become available |
| 02:52.23 | Legorol | I have been thinking about #1 and here is the rule of thumb I came up with for interpreting it: |
| 02:52.24 | Arrowmaster | Sixen: a good email from you to wowui@blizzard.com could be useful |
| 02:52.33 | seebs | Well, sex cases are clearly one of the cases where the term "solicit" has been distinguished a lot in law. |
| 02:52.48 | Legorol | If you have to pay in any way to get your addon working, that's a nono. Including paying for additional modules or datas or themes for the addon. |
| 02:52.52 | Tekkub | yea who knows, hopefully I got a long time before I need anything more than the hybrid contacts |
| 02:53.11 | malreth | "related services" includes asking where to send the "money shot" |
| 02:53.27 | malreth | holy crap |
| 02:53.28 | Kirov | Honestly, my expectation for the upcoming months is lots of general chat like posts in the UI forum (like currently) then it'll die down and go back to business as usually. Around the time we see actual ads in the game, or shortly before, Blizzard will send it's dogs after Carbonite (who will still be charging for the full version and have the "free" ad supported version). |
| 02:53.31 | Legorol | i agree that the "related services" is fuzzy |
| 02:53.34 | Dark_Elf | wonder if this effects the wowhead addons? |
| 02:53.37 | WobWork | malreth: can you sex up this discussion any more? =P |
| 02:53.39 | Iriel | Being on the friends list doesn't mean much more than they invite you to betas/alphas |
| 02:53.42 | malreth | when did i get to be this awful? |
| 02:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: doesn't really work that way. He may get read, but in this case, I don't think he'd have anything special over say, cog. The perks of that list aren't a free ticket to their ear/thoughts. |
| 02:53.53 | Codayus | seebs: If anyone tried that it'd probably fail due to other restrictions. Not least Blizzards power to just ban an addon. Whereas the clause does cause huge damage to many legit services, so... Terrible clause. |
| 02:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, what Iriel said. |
| 02:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: PS: give me SC2 please =] |
| 02:54.10 | seebs | Hmm. What kind of services? |
| 02:54.17 | Tekkub | list |
| 02:54.27 | Iriel | Tekkub: Isnt' your brain your friend? |
| 02:54.29 | Sixen | Arrowmaster: About what? |
| 02:54.31 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: i know but its one more name they would recognize atleast |
| 02:54.34 | Tekkub | no it haes me |
| 02:54.43 | Iriel | Tekkub: Wow, sucks to be you |
| 02:54.46 | Arrowmaster | Sixen: take it you havent seen the 45 page sticky on the ui forums? |
| 02:54.49 | Thrae | Tekkub: Awww. I'll be your friend. As long as you don't make me wear the hamster suit again. |
| 02:54.51 | Codayus | DKP tracking, guild website hosting, roster type stuff, WWS type things - anything that has a free addon for data gathering or display. |
| 02:54.56 | Tekkub | I stab it with a q-tip any time I can |
| 02:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: maybe maybe not. He does tech support on battle.net, not frequent postings on UI/M. |
| 02:55.02 | Sixen | Arrowmaster: The one by Cairenn and the UI POlicy, I presume? |
| 02:55.03 | malreth | name recognition don't mean crap |
| 02:55.14 | Arrowmaster | Sixen: yes |
| 02:55.25 | malreth | it's like being internet famous |
| 02:55.28 | Sixen | Fill me in on what the issue is? =o. |
| 02:55.32 | Sixen | I read it, actually. |
| 02:55.34 | kd3 | meh, that's also why I haven't sent off an email yet. even though I've got a sticky it's not like my name means much on the UI side |
| 02:55.36 | Sixen | But what's the debate? |
| 02:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oy. |
| 02:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen. |
| 02:55.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Careful what you ask. :) |
| 02:55.49 | Sixen | Sorry sbo :( |
| 02:55.50 | WobWork | Codayus: I don't think WWS and the like would be covered |
| 02:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: PM |
| 02:56.07 | malreth | Except for Iriel... I've seen pictures of him and he looks attractive. That means he must be famous in real life |
| 02:56.09 | Codayus | WobWork: They used to have an addon, although I think they may have dropped it a while back. |
| 02:56.21 | WobWork | Codayus: Because they can just make the addon do everything, but limit the output on the website end |
| 02:56.22 | Tekkub | Iriel has a fun little accent |
| 02:56.35 | WobWork | for paid/not paid |
| 02:56.48 | Gnarfoz | the wws addon toggled /combatlog on and off, whee |
| 02:56.50 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:56.51 | Thrae | I always pictured Iriel as female like Cairenn. |
| 02:56.59 | Codayus | But the wording of the clause says that even if the addon is free, and even if the service is free, if there's a premium "no ads" version, then it's in violation. |
| 02:57.04 | Iriel | The character is, it confuses people. |
| 02:57.11 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 02:57.12 | WobWork | Thus the addon itself would output the same data independant of member/subscription status |
| 02:57.15 | ronghail | wouldn't a dev have an estoppel defense? ie hey I wrote these 10,000 lines of code over the last five years based on the old license, how can you arbitrarily change your license and expect me to now give it away for free? |
| 02:57.19 | Kirov | I always pictured Iriel and a devilsaur |
| 02:57.26 | Kirov | and / as |
| 02:57.27 | Iriel | They dont say you have to give it away |
| 02:57.27 | WobWork | Codayus: Well it's not a 'premium' addon |
| 02:57.36 | WobWork | Codayus: It's a premium service on the website |
| 02:57.39 | Iriel | You can keep it for yourself, locked in a little box. |
| 02:57.42 | seebs | Hmm. So if wowi had a no-ads version for money... Interesting. Are they charging for a service related to addons? |
| 02:57.43 | ronghail | or laches: hey you could have restricted the license in this way a long time ago to protect your rights but you did not, therefore you lost your chance. |
| 02:57.45 | Iriel | You can even charge people to come look at it |
| 02:57.50 | Iriel | You just can't charge them to use it in wow |
| 02:57.56 | Codayus | WobWork: I don't have the policy in front of me, but I think it's quite clear that a premum website service relating TO an addon is in violation, even if the addon is free. |
| 02:58.16 | Arrowmaster | seebs: thats exactly one of the points about how badly worded the policy is |
| 02:58.17 | foxlit | (hey, "look" at this zip file! admire it's compression ratio! no, wait, don't extract it! don't extract it!) |
| 02:58.23 | Iriel | Codayus: I think that's a murky grey area myself, at least in terms of what they MIGHT mean. |
| 02:58.49 | Iriel | I believe the intent is about obligation to pay for access to in-game addon functionality. |
| 02:58.51 | Legorol | Codayus: i think that's the kind of thing that you could have great arguments about in a court |
| 02:58.58 | WobWork | Codayus: not so |
| 02:59.12 | Legorol | a judge would have to look at it and go: "well, are you effectively paying for the addon or not?" |
| 02:59.14 | WobWork | Codayus: All the current listing is in regards to the addon itself |
| 02:59.17 | Thrae | Codayus: You could extend that to any sites which even link sites that have addons. |
| 02:59.21 | Legorol | and he'd apply his better judgement |
| 02:59.33 | malreth | i had no idea we had so many lawyers in this channel |
| 02:59.34 | WobWork | Codayus: The addon itself would output the same information no matter what subscription status you had |
| 02:59.35 | seebs | I agree that it's badly worded. |
| 02:59.36 | Gnarfoz | judges? better judgement? ^^ |
| 02:59.37 | Iriel | You do not have to pay WOWI to download addons. |
| 02:59.42 | Codayus | Well, I'm pretty sure Bliz didn't mean to go after DKP sites, so it wouldn't come to court. :-) |
| 02:59.46 | WobWork | It's just the site that would limit output dependant on it |
| 02:59.51 | ronghail | someone else is a lawyer here? |
| 02:59.59 | seebs | I'm not a lawyer, but I used to go to court as a hobby. |
| 03:00.00 | Iriel | Similarly you do not have to donate to an author to use a freely available addon that they'd LIKE you to donate for |
| 03:00.03 | Legorol | Codayus: i don't think so either |
| 03:00.03 | WobWork | once it's uploaded the information to the website, it's separated from the addon |
| 03:00.09 | seebs | I sued junk faxers. |
| 03:00.15 | seebs | I also sue over rebates sometimes. |
| 03:00.26 | Tekkub | rebates are bullshit |
| 03:00.30 | WobWork | seebs: You're a bit litigious, aren't you? =P |
| 03:00.30 | Codayus | But it's terrible wording, and will have a chilling effect as people opt to avoid doing things which might attract legal attention. *shrug* |
| 03:00.47 | seebs | Maybe. As a matter of principle, I don't keep money resulting from my lawsuit hobby. |
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| 03:00.52 | Dark_Elf | rebates are evil! |
| 03:00.53 | Legorol | Codayus: but the thing is, in practice, borderline cases are very rare |
| 03:00.56 | Kirov | On a slightly related topic. I really hope Blizzard's plan is to release a "free" version of the game that has in-game ads and the existing subscription based clients won't see any ads. |
| 03:01.03 | Tekkub | seebs, of course not, you SPEND IT |
| 03:01.03 | WobWork | seebs: a hobby.. like whittling? =P |
| 03:01.08 | Arrowmaster | as far as the dkp addon issue, you could say that the addon is useless without the ability to upload the data to the website, so by having to pay for the account to upload the data you are paying for the addon |
| 03:01.10 | seebs | I gave junk faxer money away to people who were broke and stuff. |
| 03:01.17 | Legorol | the vast majority of addons are in the clear, and if you knowingly want to walk a grey area, that's your problem |
| 03:01.18 | foxlit | Kirov: hopefully with separate "free" servers. |
| 03:01.22 | Legorol | (i don't mean you, i mean the general you) |
| 03:01.28 | seebs | Actually, I gave away more than I collected, so the next few suits I win will pay me back from that fund. |
| 03:01.32 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: well they can have free uploads on the site |
| 03:01.33 | Thrae | Kirov: Considering how much money they're making...probably not. |
| 03:01.43 | seebs | I may not get many more faxes, though, haven't gotten more than a couple since I moved. |
| 03:01.49 | foxlit | Do NOT want to see people with no personal interest in keeping their account active. |
| 03:02.00 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: I disagree, I could use the DKP addon to do my ownDKP tracking |
| 03:02.03 | Iriel | so the addon is not useless |
| 03:02.15 | Iriel | I'm not sure blizzard would see it that way, of course 8-) |
| 03:02.19 | Thrae | Kirov: People pay Blizzard to grind rep all day and only have a certain number of quests to do per day. |
| 03:02.39 | kd3 | so then, let's come up with the drinking game so we can score Legal's reaction later this week |
| 03:02.41 | Thrae | Casual players are the best since they burn out slower. |
| 03:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: win |
| 03:02.45 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: but you do get something extra from paying, which is how the wording is |
| 03:03.01 | malreth | http://www.thenoseonyourface.com/images/holycat.jpg |
| 03:03.05 | Codayus | "Developers may not [...] charge for services related to the add-on" |
| 03:03.13 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Well, my opinion is that you can happily (on your website) say "I fix bugs for donations" |
| 03:03.31 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Folks get attention for paying, that's ok. |
| 03:03.41 | Thrae | Yes let's make assumptions about legalease until paying for WoW itself is illegal! |
| 03:03.43 | Iriel | As long as the resulting fixes go back into the main freely available addon |
| 03:04.13 | Legorol | The rule of thumb I'll interpret #1 under: |
| 03:04.25 | Tekkub | Iriel, I never say it expicitly (tho I am now) |
| 03:04.35 | Legorol | Access to the addon and any additional downloadable elements to it that operate in-game must be free. |
| 03:04.38 | Tekkub | but the people that donate get much more consideration on feature requests |
| 03:04.46 | Legorol | You shouldn't have to pay for it, even indirectly. |
| 03:04.57 | Tekkub | the ones that don't, if I don't go "oh my god I want that" I usually turn it down |
| 03:05.17 | Kirov | Actually, the wording of the policy does make it illegal for Blizzard to charge people to play the game. |
| 03:05.30 | Iriel | Kirov: ? |
| 03:05.32 | Kirov | They define addons as "user interface add ons" |
| 03:05.35 | Legorol | Kirov: how so? this policy only applies to 3rd parties |
| 03:05.39 | seebs | kd3: |
| 03:05.41 | seebs | I agree. |
| 03:05.45 | Legorol | it doesn't apply to blizzard itself |
| 03:05.46 | seebs | The drinking game is the most important part. |
| 03:05.56 | Kirov | The part about them being made by the community is mentioned after being defined. |
| 03:06.02 | Codayus | Kirov: Even if so, irrelevent unless you think they'll sue themselves, no? :-) |
| 03:06.14 | Kirov | ie: blizzard's own addons are covered by the policy |
| 03:06.48 | Legorol | i think you'd be hardpressed to argue in a court that blizzard addons are truly addons in that sense |
| 03:06.50 | Kirov | Codayus - If Coke can sue themselves over Coke Zero, why not? ;) |
| 03:06.52 | seebs | Okay, let's see. Any form of "see how things shake out": Drink. Any use of phrases like "clear enough" or "plain English": Drink. Flat contradiction between two replies: Drink. Flat contradiction between two sentences within a single reply: Chug. |
| 03:06.57 | Shirik | Why does everyone think that they know more than Blizzard's lawyers |
| 03:06.59 | Legorol | they may be called "addons" but they are part of WoW |
| 03:07.13 | Shirik | I'm willing to argue Blizzard's lawyers are paid very well, even relative to other lawyers |
| 03:07.24 | Legorol | ^^ |
| 03:07.24 | foxlit | seebs: you're trying to kill people, aren't you? :) |
| 03:07.27 | Kirov | Legorol - That and the existance of wowcompares also allows people to download them for free. |
| 03:07.35 | Kirov | so, they get out of that loophole. |
| 03:08.00 | Legorol | Kirov, you can get it for free by running their free addon kit |
| 03:08.07 | Legorol | but that's a moot point |
| 03:08.14 | Kirov | Legorol - buy you need the game first. |
| 03:08.16 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.20 | Kirov | but |
| 03:08.33 | Legorol | i'm with Shirik on this |
| 03:08.35 | Arrowmaster | im gona go play braid |
| 03:08.46 | Kirov | just trying to muck with the legalize |
| 03:08.52 | Legorol | bear in mind that Blizzard (successfully) litigated some unprecedented cases, like bnetd, glider etc. |
| 03:09.03 | Legorol | they are not going to screw up over something like a policy document |
| 03:09.25 | Dark_Elf | and those were copyright infringements |
| 03:09.26 | malreth | seriously... yeah |
| 03:09.59 | Codayus | Shirik: I don't think I do. But I think Blizzard's lawyers have vastly different goals than we do. They want to give Bliz maximum freedom of action, and cause maximum deterence. They may claim stuff they know they can't enforce; that doesn't mean they've "scrwed up". We're more concerned with what Blizzard CAN do and WILL do, which aren't really addressed by the policy. |
| 03:10.06 | Legorol | Don't get me wrong, I like intellectual discussions over legalese. |
| 03:10.18 | Legorol | I just find it unlikely that Blizzard's lawyers would be stupid :o) |
| 03:10.28 | kd3 | leagalese needs to die a horrid death |
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| 03:10.34 | Kirov | The thing I'm most worried about is Blizzard already won a case based on a EULA (something that previously has been ruled in courts NOT be legally binding in any way) |
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| 03:10.58 | Legorol | Kirov: common misconception |
| 03:11.12 | Legorol | Please read up on the vast history of EULA-related cases and court rulings |
| 03:11.36 | Shirik | If EULAs were not enforcable, then companies wouldn't pay these guys tons of money to write them |
| 03:12.52 | Legorol | anyhoo, this discussion is very exciting, but unless i log off irc, i'll be stuck here all night |
| 03:12.55 | Legorol | so see you later folks |
| 03:13.00 | malreth | 8465332575449802 |
| 03:13.04 | malreth | oh shit! |
| 03:13.11 | malreth | that'll teach me to pay for porn when on irc |
| 03:13.37 | ronghail | expires? |
| 03:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... |
| 03:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | What is up archived web public logs |
| 03:14.10 | ronghail | yeah you might want to call and cancel that one |
| 03:14.12 | ronghail | hehe |
| 03:14.29 | Shirik | Strange thing is that card doesn't seem to match any of the major providers I know |
| 03:14.34 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 03:14.35 | purl | never take malreth seriously |
| 03:15.17 | malreth | I should have looked up an actual bank prefix |
| 03:15.20 | Kirov | If I didn't take you serious, I couldn't of afforded this brand new 65 inch plasma TV I just bought with that card. |
| 03:15.29 | Shirik | I looked up a list of cards checksums, 84 doesn't seem to match any :/ |
| 03:15.54 | Shirik | cards prefixes* |
| 03:16.24 | Iriel | It doesn't pass the MOD-10 check either |
| 03:16.39 | Iriel | Plus 15 digits is a wierd length |
| 03:16.50 | malreth | it readily passes the "random bashing out a 16-digit number on the keypad" test, though |
| 03:16.58 | Iriel | malreth: 4024 is a decent visa prefix, next time you need one |
| 03:17.08 | Shirik | My visa is 4368 |
| 03:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | 4680 |
| 03:17.21 | Kirov | 4268 |
| 03:17.28 | Shirik | Visa is "starts with 4, mod 10" |
| 03:17.38 | Iriel | malreth: You should pay for porn with single use numbers anyway, if your bank supports them 8-) |
| 03:17.40 | Kirov | Mine is cancelled though, so enjoy |
| 03:17.59 | malreth | Iriel: You should get your porn for free. |
| 03:18.42 | Iriel | malreth: Is this an attempt to link porn to the ui policy discussion? |
| 03:18.51 | Tewan | lol |
| 03:19.22 | malreth | I miss Lopeppeppy already |
| 03:19.24 | Shirik | malreth: take some random credit card number, 4000 1234 5678 9012 |
| 03:19.24 | Kirov | Teen porn? |
| 03:19.35 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth: where'd she go? |
| 03:19.36 | Shefki | Most of the card providers do actually support 20 digit card numbers. |
| 03:19.37 | Shirik | Every 2nd digit is multiplied by 2, sum them together, then add all the odd digits |
| 03:19.45 | Shefki | They made every support taking them 10 years ago. |
| 03:19.51 | Shefki | But they haven't ended up using them much yet. |
| 03:19.54 | Iriel | Shirik: almost |
| 03:19.58 | Shirik | 4 + 0*2 + 0 + 0*2 + 1 + 2*2 + 3 + 4*2 + 5 + 6*2 + 7 + 8*2 + 9 +0*2 + 1 + 2*2 |
| 03:20.03 | Shirik | This must always be a multiple of 10 |
| 03:20.06 | Iriel | You got that wrong |
| 03:20.08 | Iriel | but close |
| 03:20.13 | Shirik | Not according to what I'm reading |
| 03:20.18 | Iriel | You sum the DIGITS of the multiples of 2 |
| 03:20.22 | Iriel | I do this for a living 8-) |
| 03:20.26 | Iriel | so 8 -> 16 -> 5 |
| 03:20.39 | Shirik | My method seems to have worked |
| 03:20.57 | Shirik | I already tried it against my card |
| 03:21.07 | malreth | is there really a point to having a checksum as part of the card number? |
| 03:21.18 | Shirik | malreth, to make sure it scans properly? |
| 03:21.23 | kd3 | sure. look at every upc on the planet |
| 03:21.31 | Iriel | Scanning/hand entry |
| 03:21.44 | Iriel | it protects against single digit errors AND adjacent digit transposition |
| 03:21.52 | Shirik | Well, it should protect against single digit errors |
| 03:21.54 | malreth | hmm... i guess that makes sense |
| 03:21.58 | Shirik | Which is what I was going to say against your method, Iriel |
| 03:22.01 | Shirik | your method does not |
| 03:22.07 | malreth | those would be the most likely errors with hand entry |
| 03:22.10 | Shirik | OH, I see what you're saying now |
| 03:22.19 | Shirik | Sorry, I misspoke, that's what I meant |
| 03:22.22 | Iriel | Shirik: Yours is flawed because you lose a bit for 1/2 the evens |
| 03:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 03:22.26 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:22.38 | malreth | i'm glad this channel hasn't ever changed |
| 03:22.39 | Shefki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhn_algorithm |
| 03:22.49 | Iriel | Shefki: that's the one |
| 03:22.49 | Shirik | Iriel said sum the digits of the multiples of 2, I assumed he meant "only" |
| 03:23.07 | Shirik | which obviously didn't make sense |
| 03:23.17 | Thrae | I was wondering why the EULA didn't pass MOD-10 until I realized you've all finally moved on. |
| 03:23.43 | Iriel | We use the same check on our product SKU's |
| 03:23.50 | Iriel | For all the same reasons |
| 03:23.56 | Codayus | Thrae: Give it 15 minutes, we'll be back on the subject. |
| 03:24.05 | malreth | you still work at Williams Sonoma, Iriel? |
| 03:24.13 | Iriel | I do |
| 03:24.18 | Iriel | buy more knives |
| 03:24.19 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 03:24.23 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 03:24.34 | Shirik | that's a horrible algorithm for use in a computer |
| 03:24.40 | Shirik | Is there a better one? |
| 03:24.49 | Iriel | Actually better still, hop next door to pottery barn and buy furniture |
| 03:24.52 | Shirik | there has to be |
| 03:24.54 | malreth | Iriel: get me this.... I want it: http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku6925549/index.cfm?pkey=celectrics-breville&ckey=electrics-breville |
| 03:24.58 | Iriel | Shirik: It's fine if you're treating the "number" as a string |
| 03:25.14 | Shirik | it's inefficient |
| 03:25.19 | Shirik | It's like |
| 03:25.22 | Iriel | Use a lookup table, it's VERY fast |
| 03:25.35 | Iriel | you can implement it as a screaming fast FSM too |
| 03:25.48 | malreth | Flying Spaghetti Monster? |
| 03:25.55 | Iriel | I wondered if someone would ask that |
| 03:25.57 | Shirik | I still think there must be a better way treating it as a numbber |
| 03:25.59 | Iriel | No, Finite State Machine |
| 03:26.01 | Shefki | I can think of a lot of things that the credit card companies do that I'd consider inefficient. But I wouldn't consider the Luhn Agorithm to be near the top of the list. |
| 03:26.10 | Iriel | Shirik: You're solving the wrong problem |
| 03:26.13 | malreth | I prefer Improbably State Machines |
| 03:26.16 | malreth | much more interesting |
| 03:26.17 | Shefki | American Express with their "But the accont isn't closed" situation at the top of the list. |
| 03:26.18 | Iriel | Shirik: The problem is one of DATA ENTRY |
| 03:26.25 | Iriel | You have to treat it as a string |
| 03:26.30 | malreth | Improbable State Machines, rather |
| 03:26.44 | Shirik | Maybe at entry time, sure |
| 03:26.52 | Shirik | what about when it's passed to the card company for authorization |
| 03:26.54 | Iriel | thats what this check is for |
| 03:27.00 | Shirik | You don't want to recheck it there? |
| 03:27.07 | Iriel | Why do you need to? |
| 03:27.12 | Iriel | They just look int heir database |
| 03:27.14 | Shirik | for sanity? |
| 03:27.33 | malreth | Iriel: Vari-Temp Kettle... Chop chop! |
| 03:27.50 | Iriel | And really by the time it hits the card company they should be checking the whole payload |
| 03:27.57 | Shefki | I'm not sure if this is still true today, but back in the day you could just make up an American Express number and it'd work even if it hadn't been issued. |
| 03:27.59 | Iriel | not just the card number |
| 03:28.11 | Shefki | THe only way it wouldn't work was if the account was closed or had a negative mark on it. |
| 03:28.12 | Iriel | Shefki: CVV2/CVN fixed a lot of that |
| 03:28.23 | Iriel | malreth: We have a website 8-) |
| 03:28.28 | Shefki | Amex had that crap even back then. |
| 03:28.43 | Shefki | THey just literally would accept charges for accounts that weren't even open in their database. |
| 03:28.49 | Shefki | It was asanine. |
| 03:29.05 | Shirik | It has a SecureID panel built into the card |
| 03:29.26 | Iriel | Shefki: The banks pretty much pass most liability onto merchants anyway |
| 03:29.33 | Shefki | Even remember seeing Amex send the paperwork on this situation once with a copy of the statement that their statement spat out for the account with no name on it. |
| 03:29.40 | Iriel | Shefki: Woe to any merchant who doesn't check ALL the response codes from visa |
| 03:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: SVV2/CVN is used as another checksum? What do you mean by "fixed a lot of that"? |
| 03:30.27 | Shefki | It's not a checksum. |
| 03:30.29 | Shirik | It can't be another checksum for sure |
| 03:30.34 | Shefki | It's a separate secret vaue. |
| 03:30.36 | Shirik | I've had 2 identical cards with different values |
| 03:30.40 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: accepting a card that isn't "valid" because it "looks about right" |
| 03:30.45 | Shefki | Well secrete to the person with the card presumeably. |
| 03:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | So essentially more of the same problem? :) |
| 03:31.02 | Shefki | Shirik: They don't change the number for reissues necessarily. |
| 03:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *fixing it with more of the same problem |
| 03:31.05 | Iriel | it's supposedly generated by a cryptographic hash based on some information the bank has |
| 03:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 03:31.10 | Shirik | Shefki: But they did. |
| 03:31.20 | Shirik | therefore it cannot be a checksum |
| 03:31.26 | Iriel | So given card + expiration they can look up (or generate) the right CVV2 and check it matches |
| 03:31.30 | Shefki | Shirik: I just said it wasn't a checksum. |
| 03:31.35 | Shirik | And so did I |
| 03:31.42 | Iriel | It sort of is (or can be a checksum) |
| 03:31.44 | Shefki | At least not just on the card number. |
| 03:31.52 | Iriel | But it's a checksum of more information than is printed on the card |
| 03:32.00 | Shirik | Iriel: I don't see how it can be just based on card and expiration if mine changed |
| 03:32.05 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVV2 |
| 03:32.08 | Iriel | It's not JUST based on those |
| 03:32.10 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:33.06 | Iriel | Shirik: Though if you got a card with the same number + expiration it SHOULD have had the same CVV2 |
| 03:33.14 | Shirik | it didn't :/ |
| 03:33.14 | Iriel | unless the issuing bank re-issued ALL of their cards |
| 03:33.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110| (i=Matrix11@pD957B2EA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:33.27 | Shirik | I still have both cards, in fact |
| 03:34.08 | Aznamir | Has anyone successfully remove their addon from wowmatrix? |
| 03:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Aznamir: I don't believe so |
| 03:34.55 | malreth | later all you party people. see you all again in three months! |
| 03:34.58 | Dark_Elf | wowmatrix is evil! |
| 03:34.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:35.01 | Shefki | Iriel: I know that CVV2's typically change whenever an issuer changes card manufactuers. |
| 03:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Where are you goin-- |
| 03:35.15 | Shirik | Iriel: I can't explain it myself, I expected it to be identical |
| 03:35.24 | Shirik | so I don't know what happened, really |
| 03:35.26 | Shefki | Iriel: Happened for everyone with a BofA card when MBNA was bought by BofA and the changed their cards over to the MBNA manfuacturer. |
| 03:35.38 | Tekkub | Iriel, no the CVV is not tied to the number |
| 03:35.44 | Tekkub | that would defeat the point |
| 03:35.54 | Iriel | Tekkub: Wikipedia says: The number is generated when the card is issued, by hashing the card number and expiration date under a key known only to the issuing bank. |
| 03:36.05 | Iriel | Which is consistent with how they typically behave |
| 03:36.15 | Iriel | I'm aware that doesn't HAVE to be how they work |
| 03:36.22 | Iriel | but it's the most cost effective approach I can think of |
| 03:36.27 | Shirik | The only logical explanation for my case is the key changed, then |
| 03:36.34 | Shirik | which is possible; or they might have multiple keys they use |
| 03:36.40 | ZorbaTHut | they might just generate it randomly |
| 03:36.48 | ZorbaTHut | I can't think of a good reason to use a hash for this, honestly |
| 03:36.52 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: That would be very intensive on memory |
| 03:36.55 | Iriel | Shirik: They might have simply re-issued the whole batch based on some fraud or something |
| 03:36.55 | Shirik | that is, storage |
| 03:37.02 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, not really. how many credit cards do you think are out there? |
| 03:37.05 | Dashkal | Aznamir: I've heard once or twice of people using DMCA takedown notices to get their addons off, but that's it |
| 03:37.06 | Iriel | ZorbaTHut: I said "most cost effective" for a reason 8-) |
| 03:37.52 | Shefki | Shirik: Why did you get a new card? |
| 03:37.58 | Shirik | um |
| 03:38.00 | Shirik | well |
| 03:38.03 | Shirik | I damaged my card |
| 03:38.07 | Shefki | Did you ask for it? Or did it just show up? |
| 03:38.08 | Shirik | so I ordered one |
| 03:38.12 | Shirik | my parents found out and they ordered one too |
| 03:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: define 'damaged' |
| 03:38.20 | Shirik | Overused, strip got busted |
| 03:38.24 | Shefki | Ahh well no idea why it changed. |
| 03:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I was hoping for some entertaining reason |
| 03:38.34 | Shefki | I get a reissue on my card at least twice a year. |
| 03:38.35 | ZorbaTHut | iriel, yeah, there's pluses and minuses to it. I feel like overall the minuses outweigh the pluses, myself, but I admit it's the obvious way to do it |
| 03:38.37 | ScytheBlade1 | This is disappointing |
| 03:38.46 | Shirik | And then |
| 03:38.51 | Shirik | about 2 months later I got ANOTHER card |
| 03:38.53 | Shefki | It used to always be a different number. |
| 03:38.56 | Shirik | but that was solely because I wanted an LCD on my card |
| 03:39.21 | Shefki | Shirik: It's possible they're hashing the type of card produced in that too. |
| 03:39.30 | Shefki | If the old card didn't have an LCD and the new one did... |
| 03:39.55 | Shirik | both the one my parents ordered and the one I had didn't |
| 03:40.00 | Shefki | You could always call them and ask, not that the preson ou'd get would know. :) |
| 03:40.00 | Shirik | those are the 2 in question |
| 03:40.14 | Shirik | I would be surprised if the person I talked to knew what a hash was |
| 03:40.50 | Shefki | Treat them like a telphone company, the person on the other end of the phone doesn't know anything but they can take down your question and maybe pass it along to someone who does. |
| 03:40.57 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12156 |
| 03:40.59 | Adys | spelling fail |
| 03:41.35 | Adys | Hey Shirik, want to have some fun? |
| 03:42.13 | Shirik | are you going to give me another list? |
| 03:42.18 | Adys | yeah but not items |
| 03:42.21 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d17947813 |
| 03:43.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (n=Zootfizz@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot) |
| 03:43.54 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Zootfizzle] by ChanServ |
| 03:45.10 | Adys | ~whalenapalm Zootfizzle |
| 03:45.14 | Shirik | quests that don't suck? |
| 03:45.17 | Adys | aw |
| 03:45.26 | Adys | Shirik: that must be it |
| 03:45.27 | Zootfizzle | You're sad that didn't work? =/ |
| 03:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ~whalenuke Zootfizzle |
| 03:45.40 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Zootfizzle with his mind powers. |
| 03:45.41 | Adys | Zootfizzle: Not sad.. just.. surprised you know! |
| 03:45.45 | Shirik | It kinda looks like "Quests that have restrictions on who can take them" |
| 03:46.00 | Shirik | that is, permanent restrictions |
| 03:46.02 | Shirik | class, race, etc. |
| 03:46.06 | Adys | Shirik: I'm convinced that would be serverside |
| 03:46.14 | Adys | (then again blizz surprised me before) |
| 03:46.20 | Shirik | That also seems too broad for me to accept |
| 03:46.33 | Adys | hmmm |
| 03:46.37 | Adys | Sharable quests |
| 03:46.42 | Adys | actually, non-sharable quests |
| 03:46.44 | Adys | might be that |
| 03:47.17 | Adys | yeah no, plenty are sharable in there |
| 03:47.59 | Shirik | CTA |
| 03:48.01 | Shefki | Was gonna say the TBC fishing dailies are missing that aren't shareable. |
| 03:48.15 | Adys | they are |
| 03:48.22 | Anaral_Eliza | Adys could they be the quests filtered out to make leveling faster? |
| 03:48.23 | Adys | since some patch |
| 03:48.46 | Shirik | What I see is very common, though, Adys, is class-specific quests |
| 03:48.51 | Shirik | that's what lead me to make that guess |
| 03:48.57 | Shirik | But the CTA quests throw off class-specific |
| 03:49.00 | Adys | yeah |
| 03:49.26 | Adys | top off my head, possible flags could be.. |
| 03:50.30 | Adys | sharable/nonsharable, daily, pvp, flags_pvp, repeatable, no_log, special_texture? |
| 03:50.33 | Adys | dunno |
| 03:50.55 | Adys | random daily too I'd suppose |
| 03:51.02 | Shefki | Not requiring turn in items? |
| 03:51.13 | Adys | what ya mean? |
| 03:51.41 | Shefki | Well the CTA's and the other ones I'm recognizing have no item required to turn them in. |
| 03:52.10 | Shirik | iirc the hunter quests have an item turn in requirement |
| 03:52.19 | Shirik | the little rod you use to tame your pets |
| 03:52.30 | Adys | provided items could not count |
| 03:52.35 | Adys | (theyre a different column) |
| 03:52.37 | Adys | let me check |
| 03:52.51 | Shefki | I could be wrong I haven't sat down and looked up a bunch of them. |
| 03:52.59 | Shefki | Just looking at ones I recognize. |
| 03:53.44 | Adys | 12821 |
| 03:53.58 | Shirik | Quests which have multiple givers? |
| 03:54.05 | Adys | doubt it shirik |
| 03:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | is there *any* class in the game which can actually use Spirit+Strength "Of the Boar" equipment? |
| 03:54.16 | Shefki | Definately not. |
| 03:54.27 | Iriel | Quests that pop up the "do you want to do it with... " dialog? |
| 03:54.27 | Shefki | ZorbaTHut: Druids? |
| 03:54.42 | Thrae | Shefki: Nope |
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| 03:54.51 | Iriel | the chicken escorts all do that, the blood ones all do |
| 03:54.52 | Adys | 12821 11891 11516 11082 have item reqs |
| 03:55.09 | Adys | Iriel: CTA quests, hunter quest etc dont, but its likely a flag too |
| 03:55.13 | Adys | will keep it in mind |
| 03:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | shefki, druids don't really like str, they prefer agi. and the only forms that use agi have no use for spi |
| 03:55.28 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: I was going to say maybe certain Paladin or Shaman builds and maybe only one piece |
| 03:55.44 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, I think it must be very, very specialized, if so. not something you'd stack |
| 03:55.49 | Shefki | ZorbaTHut: Yeah it wouldn't be ideal, but *shrug* |
| 03:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Gah |
| 03:56.10 | Iriel | What is the source of this list anyway? |
| 03:56.15 | Iriel | is it one bit of a bitmask or something? |
| 03:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the name of that addon that prevented you from logging out? |
| 03:56.20 | ZorbaTHut | that and agi/spi are the only ones I can think of that just nobody wants. I think *someone* wants every other combo one way or another |
| 03:56.53 | Shefki | ScytheBlade1: ForeverAFK or something wasn't it? |
| 03:56.54 | Thrae | Shefki: Not only wouldn't it be ideal, +Strength/+Spirit makes no sense on Druids since they don't use Melee AP and Mana at the same time. |
| 03:57.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shefki: that's it, thanks |
| 03:57.06 | Adys | ~CMD: whalenapalm (.*?) is ($n): <action>hires an US army plane-sized flying whale to pee on $n. IT BURNS. |
| 03:57.16 | Adys | purl: CMD: whalenapalm (.*?) is ($n): <action>hires an US army plane-sized flying whale to pee on $n. IT BURNS. |
| 03:57.17 | purl | okay, Adys |
| 03:57.23 | Thrae | Shefki: Which is why maybe very specialized Paladins or Shammies since part of their damage can depend on AP and Mana at the same time |
| 03:57.28 | Iriel | the list looks too short to have something to do with rep |
| 03:57.28 | Shirik | Adys: Unsharable quests? |
| 03:57.38 | Adys | Shirik: some are sharable |
| 03:57.39 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Yeah; I'm guessing it's just a layover from pre-BC. |
| 03:57.56 | ZorbaTHut | thrae, yeah. I kinda wish they'd get rid of the really, really awful ones |
| 03:58.05 | ZorbaTHut | more fuel for my disenchanting money factory, though |
| 03:58.07 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: More stuff to DE? |
| 03:58.13 | Shefki | ZorbaTHut: A way to provide DE items. |
| 03:58.17 | Shefki | Bahh. |
| 03:58.17 | Adys | I think I found what it is |
| 03:58.18 | Adys | checking |
| 03:58.32 | Shefki | Adys: Someone at Blizzard's person list of quests they've done? |
| 03:58.38 | Shefki | personal* |
| 03:58.39 | Adys | found it yes |
| 03:58.50 | Shirik | what is it |
| 03:58.53 | Adys | quests that require a custom server event before being completed |
| 03:59.00 | Zootfizzle | purl: CMD: whaleponcho (.*?) is (%n): <action>uses the magic of nanotubes to create a whale shaped poncho around %n, protecting them. |
| 03:59.00 | purl | okay, Zootfizzle |
| 03:59.04 | Shirik | ow |
| 03:59.13 | Shirik | how the hellw as I supposed to get that |
| 03:59.36 | Shirik | I still got the arena items one |
| 03:59.37 | Shefki | ~whaleponcho Shefki |
| 03:59.38 | purl | ACTION uses the magic of nanotubes to create a whale shaped poncho around Shefki, protecting them. |
| 03:59.39 | Shirik | I think that counts for pro |
| 03:59.45 | Adys | I agree :) |
| 03:59.45 | Adys | ~tickle Shirik |
| 03:59.46 | purl | ACTION jumps on Shirik, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 04:00.03 | Adys | ~whalezero Zootfizzle |
| 04:00.04 | purl | ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at Zootfizzle's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero. |
| 04:00.13 | Shirik | `whalecrit Adys |
| 04:00.18 | Adys | ~failrik |
| 04:00.19 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 04:00.19 | Shirik | ~whalecrit Adys |
| 04:00.20 | purl | ACTION crits Adys with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Adys dies |
| 04:00.22 | Shirik | STFU |
| 04:00.25 | Adys | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:00.26 | purl | ScytheBlade1, you Fail! |
| 04:00.43 | Iriel | Shirik: You have to admit that was pretty fail? |
| 04:00.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:01.03 | Shefki | ~whalecrit Adys 9001 |
| 04:01.03 | purl | ACTION crits Adys 9001 with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Adys 9001 dies |
| 04:01.04 | Adys | Decent keyboard layouts > ~ |
| 04:01.09 | Shirik | for the record most applications mask fp division by zero! |
| 04:01.12 | Shefki | lol |
| 04:01.39 | Iriel | sleep time |
| 04:01.42 | Adys | night |
| 04:01.45 | Shirik | night night |
| 04:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | cya |
| 04:02.26 | Thrae | Heh these control letters are NOP |
| 04:03.00 | Adys | abyss crystal price jumped up on my realm suddenly |
| 04:03.05 | Adys | time to sell |
| 04:03.53 | Adys | Shirik: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=7632 |
| 04:04.11 | Adys | you think you'd be able to find out whats so special about this quest, so that it warrants a flag of its own? |
| 04:04.41 | Shirik | I LOVE THAT QUEST |
| 04:04.43 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:04.53 | Adys | shirik_loves_it |
| 04:04.55 | Adys | added |
| 04:05.24 | Shirik | I think I know |
| 04:05.27 | Shirik | Get this |
| 04:05.27 | Adys | hmmm |
| 04:05.32 | Adys | just read the comment |
| 04:05.32 | Shirik | The guy you turn it in to |
| 04:05.35 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:05.36 | Shirik | Doesn't even show up unless you have it |
| 04:05.39 | Shirik | I remember that |
| 04:05.43 | Adys | probably that |
| 04:05.50 | Shirik | I was so confused because he doesn't show up until you're near |
| 04:05.57 | Shirik | And I was looking all over the place and couldn't find him |
| 04:06.32 | Shirik | Still, that quest line is one of the most fun in the entire game |
| 04:06.36 | Shirik | I really wish hunters would still do it |
| 04:06.40 | Shirik | because it really teaches you how to play |
| 04:07.15 | Adys | found the raid flag too |
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| 04:07.36 | Adys | Shirik: used to |
| 04:07.48 | Adys | now even the worst hunters of my guild got it |
| 04:08.01 | Adys | and god knows my guild got really, REALLY bad hunters |
| 04:08.09 | Shirik | (and they have to do it at 60, too, no cheating by doing it at 80) |
| 04:08.17 | Shirik | (80 makes it too easy) |
| 04:10.09 | WobWork | hehe http://etaiu.blogspot.com/2009/03/when-bears-fly.html |
| 04:11.26 | WobWork | Shirik: It's kinda like the druid epic flightform chain |
| 04:11.39 | WobWork | where you have to utilise all the skills available to the class in the right situation |
| 04:11.48 | Shirik | exactly |
| 04:11.59 | Shirik | Admittedly, I considered myself a fairly good hunter at 60 |
| 04:12.06 | Adys | wow |
| 04:12.07 | Shirik | it still took me quite some time to get that quest done |
| 04:12.18 | Adys | theres a flag for all quests that require an expansion |
| 04:14.32 | WobWork | <3xkcd |
| 04:14.37 | WobWork | keep 'em guessing! |
| 04:15.09 | Adys | lmao |
| 04:16.24 | End | they need more epic "class" quest chains |
| 04:16.35 | Adys | DKs get all the good stuff |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 04:16.53 | DWSR | warlock epic mount quest is pretty epic |
| 04:16.54 | WobWork | I liked the DK class chain |
| 04:16.55 | Shirik | they even have +skill gear |
| 04:17.06 | Shirik | to make up for the lack of skill in their players |
| 04:17.06 | Adys | eh? |
| 04:17.10 | Adys | oh. |
| 04:17.29 | WobWork | It's kinda odd |
| 04:17.36 | End | yeah, the warlock one is pretty good |
| 04:17.37 | DWSR | Bets on the next heroic class? |
| 04:17.38 | WobWork | I was so terribly OP as a DK |
| 04:17.40 | WobWork | levelling up |
| 04:17.43 | Adys | battle mage |
| 04:17.45 | Adys | WTB |
| 04:17.49 | WobWork | top of the charts etc etc |
| 04:17.52 | DWSR | Yeah. If it is I'm rerolling |
| 04:18.02 | WobWork | but levelling a hunter, I'm beating all the DKs I'm grouping with |
| 04:18.10 | Adys | most DKs are bad |
| 04:18.19 | DWSR | ^ tru that |
| 04:18.26 | Adys | its not even a generalization |
| 04:18.34 | WobWork | the thing is, they're not -that- hard to lrn2play |
| 04:18.44 | Adys | just people saw DKs |
| 04:18.48 | WobWork | (as long as you understand what a rotation is) |
| 04:18.52 | Adys | though "yeah its gonna be OP im rerolling hero class!" |
| 04:19.01 | Adys | got it to 80 in the best case |
| 04:19.07 | Adys | and went back on their old main |
| 04:19.22 | WobWork | I've seen 80 DKs struggling to hit 1k dps |
| 04:19.27 | WobWork | and I'm like "whut?" |
| 04:19.34 | DWSR | rofl |
| 04:19.41 | DWSR | I can tank for 1k DPS at like 68 |
| 04:19.43 | WobWork | I can faceroll more dps than that |
| 04:19.55 | *** join/#wowuidev owen__ (n=owen@75-132-219-99.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 04:20.25 | End | I wonder what the minimum I could do to do 1k dps would be |
| 04:20.29 | Adys | Shirik: http://owdb.pastebin.com/d1496c863 =( |
| 04:20.36 | WobWork | End: autoattack? |
| 04:20.40 | Adys | oh Im an idiot |
| 04:20.42 | End | Warlock, so no |
| 04:20.43 | Adys | repeatable quests |
| 04:20.58 | DWSR | End, wand + pet |
| 04:21.02 | End | shadowbolt spam would put me at 1.5k at least |
| 04:21.03 | batrick | Why do people hate the blizzard calendar so much? |
| 04:21.07 | Adys | .. but why are rogues, mages and swords decks on it |
| 04:21.08 | End | DWSR: ah, you're probably right |
| 04:21.11 | Adys | batrick: i love it |
| 04:21.13 | kd3 | because they don't know how to use it |
| 04:21.15 | End | forgot about pet, since he's so little damage :P |
| 04:21.16 | Shirik | How is that even possible, WobWork |
| 04:21.18 | batrick | ya... I like it |
| 04:21.18 | Shirik | 1k? |
| 04:21.23 | End | but he's enough to get towards 1k dps! |
| 04:21.24 | batrick | although I don't have a reason to use it |
| 04:21.26 | WobWork | Shirik: I know, right? |
| 04:21.35 | batrick | except for events and what not |
| 04:22.09 | owen__ | fel does 600 dps with the 0/41/30 spec |
| 04:22.33 | End | felguard should do more than that I'd think |
| 04:22.58 | owen__ | maybe with meta, but not the hybrid in my experience |
| 04:23.46 | Adys | wtf |
| 04:23.51 | Adys | those arent even all repeatable |
| 04:24.56 | DWSR | My Fel does 700 |
| 04:25.07 | DWSR | 30/41/0 |
| 04:25.17 | GitFinger | so here's an even better AddOn idea... an addon that prints out the URL for all donation sites for all current running addons. of course, see my previous comment about usage agreement having instructions on removing key code so it doesn't actually work.. still |
| 04:25.22 | DWSR | Actually, I lied |
| 04:25.24 | DWSR | 22/49/0 |
| 04:25.50 | GitFinger | ie, 'if the user actually followed the addon's README and instructions, they'd never see the URLs.. but as users never do...' etc. etc. |
| 04:26.35 | WobWork | hm, I should move my warlock to my current server |
| 04:26.49 | WobWork | once I get my hunter to 80 I guess |
| 04:27.03 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d46154db0 grr |
| 04:27.05 | WobWork | but I'll need a name... |
| 04:27.18 | End | what race? |
| 04:27.22 | WobWork | DK: SnuuSnu, Hunter: SnuusToMe |
| 04:27.27 | WobWork | Orc |
| 04:27.32 | WobWork | warlock |
| 04:27.44 | End | hm |
| 04:27.45 | WobWork | I was going to have a Shammy: Snuupy |
| 04:27.45 | End | dunno |
| 04:28.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Miyagui (i=miya@190.232.54.12) |
| 04:28.19 | Adys | oh |
| 04:28.20 | Adys | sexy |
| 04:28.21 | Adys | 11197 ZZOLD Upper Deck Promo - Ghost Wolf Mount OLD |
| 04:28.38 | Adys | wtb that |
| 04:29.36 | Adys | will do |
| 04:30.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 04:30.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 04:30.18 | WobWork | oh good, if I do move my warlock, I can rename him |
| 04:30.31 | WobWork | "Gallowglass" is already taken on my server |
| 04:30.54 | Adys | I'd pay a lot to get whoever is squatting the "Adys" name on bloodhoof to be renamed |
| 04:31.00 | Adys | ~hint Zootfizzle |
| 04:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:31.21 | Adys | Addys gets boring after a while |
| 04:31.42 | Tem | I wish they had a namesquatting policy |
| 04:31.57 | Adys | I wish unused chars would get autoflagged for rename after a while yeah |
| 04:32.00 | Adys | at least something |
| 04:32.02 | Tem | there's a pally on my server that hasn't logged in in over 2 years holding "Tem" |
| 04:32.03 | Adys | a year, I dunno |
| 04:32.32 | owen__ | so if you close your account, does that keep your name saved or do you rename coming back? |
| 04:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Enforce level reqs on it and I'd be fine |
| 04:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Assuming they were below, say, 50, rename the suckers |
| 04:33.41 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 04:33.44 | Shirik | You can mana burn demolishers |
| 04:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (The exception being DKs, which should stick around say, 75) |
| 04:33.57 | Bleeter | Shirik: demolishers in WG? They're all kindsa fucked up |
| 04:34.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:34.02 | Bleeter | Shirik: have been since beta day 1 |
| 04:34.04 | Shirik | and why is your B capitalized |
| 04:34.10 | Bleeter | 'coz I'm hot |
| 04:35.19 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: nah, level 20 |
| 04:35.39 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=5101 |
| 04:35.40 | Adys | .. yeah |
| 04:35.53 | Tem | fuck that level 61 |
| 04:35.59 | Tem | this paly is 60 |
| 04:36.07 | Tem | and hasn't logged in in 2 years |
| 04:36.10 | Tem | I want my damn name |
| 04:37.01 | Adys | i regularly page gms about it |
| 04:37.04 | Adys | every 2-3 months |
| 04:37.35 | *** part/#wowuidev owen__ (n=owen@75-132-219-99.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 04:38.36 | Bleeter | so who's gunna abuse Curse for having their DONATE TO THE AUTHOR so far away from the DOWNLOAD description you have to scroll the screen twice to get to it? |
| 04:39.01 | Adys | Shirik: my last one today |
| 04:39.02 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d483651ed |
| 04:39.17 | Adys | Bleeter: why do you have a capital b? |
| 04:39.24 | Bleeter | Adys: because I'm hot |
| 04:39.25 | Adys | uppercase even |
| 04:39.34 | Bleeter | Adys: why do you have a capital A? |
| 04:39.43 | Adys | because I'm a lot hotter than you |
| 04:39.45 | Adys | A > B |
| 04:39.54 | Adys | thats what they kept telling me in math class anyway |
| 04:40.02 | Bleeter | ah, but you're backwards and upside down so B > A |
| 04:40.59 | GagHalfrunt | Zaphod's just this guy, you know? |
| 04:41.07 | Thunder_Child | ~fail GagHalfrunt |
| 04:41.07 | purl | You suck at everything in life, GagHalfrunt. I hate you because you fail. |
| 04:41.14 | Adys | so |
| 04:41.15 | Adys | that leaves |
| 04:41.34 | Adys | ["unk1", "unk2", "unk4", "requires_server_event", "unused16", "turnin_invisible_without", "ignore_raid", "requires_burningcrusade", "unk256", "wrapper", "flagger", "group_loot", "daily", "flags_pvp"] |
| 04:41.47 | WobWork | unk? |
| 04:41.51 | Adys | nown |
| 04:41.52 | kd3 | unknown |
| 04:42.00 | WobWork | what about unk3? |
| 04:42.02 | GagHalfrunt | wtf happened to unk3? |
| 04:42.05 | GagHalfrunt | ^^ |
| 04:42.13 | kd3 | they're binary? that's why there's a 256 too |
| 04:42.32 | Adys | ya |
| 04:42.34 | Tekkub | *unk unk unk unk unk unk unk splurt* |
| 04:42.39 | Adys | oh come on |
| 04:42.43 | WobWork | You've got a leak there, Tekkub |
| 04:42.46 | Tem | Adys, what are you messing with? |
| 04:42.53 | Adys | quests |
| 04:44.08 | Adys | Tem: http://pastebin.com/d7218f6ec |
| 04:44.26 | Adys | isnt that just bloody hot? |
| 04:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | BannedAddOns.dbc has 11 entries in it |
| 04:45.17 | Tem | okay |
| 04:45.22 | Tem | but |
| 04:45.26 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, lol awesome |
| 04:45.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea how to read the rest of this data |
| 04:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But I can tell you it has 11 entries |
| 04:45.46 | Adys | its a bunch of hashes isnt it? |
| 04:45.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That is my guess so far |
| 04:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah all of them have the same length |
| 04:47.02 | Adys | you're gonna make me extract stuff |
| 04:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | One single column |
| 04:47.23 | Adys | no id? |
| 04:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 04:47.31 | Adys | meh |
| 04:47.55 | Adys | Im not sure why they use dbcs for files with just one column |
| 04:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | No strings either |
| 04:48.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: because it can be read into memory and used *very* simply |
| 04:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Next to no parsing involved at all |
| 04:48.39 | Adys | exactly why use dbcs for something like that? |
| 04:48.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Even a simple text file would need to be parsed to some degree |
| 04:48.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I think you got me backwards |
| 04:48.57 | Adys | uh? |
| 04:49.05 | ScytheBlade1 | A .dbc needs right next to no parsing at all |
| 04:49.20 | Adys | .. more than a text file |
| 04:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You read the header and that is the full extent of what really needs to be known to manipulate the data |
| 04:49.47 | ScytheBlade1 | From there you can calculate row/string position in a very simplistic manner |
| 04:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | row/column or string position, rather |
| 04:50.00 | Adys | if its a single column, you might aswell hardcode the length and read a continuous bin file |
| 04:50.05 | End | you load the dbc directly into memory |
| 04:50.08 | Adys | or text or whatever you want |
| 04:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | What End said |
| 04:50.12 | End | and then access each row by offset |
| 04:50.15 | End | -really- simple |
| 04:50.27 | End | granted a lua/python/scripted whatever solution is more complicated |
| 04:50.34 | End | but for C/C++, it couldn't be simpler |
| 04:50.49 | Adys | yeah but you dont need a dbc for it to be that simple |
| 04:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | -really- simple way of loading and manipulating data for C++, argubably more simple than a \n delimited text file or a continuous binary file |
| 04:50.53 | Adys | even in c++ |
| 04:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It is already in place though |
| 04:51.59 | Adys | I guess |
| 04:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And safe to say that they have very mature ways of working with a DBC |
| 04:51.59 | Adys | (doubt that) |
| 04:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I wrote my .dbc parser in Java, and all I could think while doing it was "this would be so much nicer in C/C++" |
| 04:52.02 | Adys | isnt that what every java coder constantly thinks? |
| 04:52.05 | Adys | ~poke shirik |
| 04:52.06 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind shirik, pokes shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Each of the rows is exactly 40 bytes in length |
| 04:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, if I had to guess, was a sha1 hash |
| 04:52.52 | Shirik | Adys? |
| 04:53.12 | End | yeah, it's always numcolumns*4 |
| 04:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, the data fills it quite nearly |
| 04:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *neatly |
| 04:53.46 | End | and then strings are stored after the fields in a seperate table |
| 04:53.47 | Shirik | Adys, I mostly hate Java |
| 04:53.49 | Shirik | for the record |
| 04:53.56 | Shirik | I use it because it has its purposes, such as JWS |
| 04:54.00 | End | except it's just using each field as a pointer to the other "table" |
| 04:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | End: yeah, as stated, I've written my own (complete) .dbc parser ;) |
| 04:54.43 | End | I have too |
| 04:54.47 | End | although mine was in python :P |
| 04:54.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:55.05 | Adys | End: http://addsanddishes.blogspot.com/2009/03/wdbc-parser-custom-field-behaviour.html |
| 04:55.11 | Adys | python ~* |
| 04:55.13 | Adys | ~* |
| 04:55.14 | purl | it has been said that * is asterisk |
| 04:55.15 | Adys | FFS. |
| 04:55.16 | Adys | >* |
| 04:55.18 | End | hehe |
| 04:56.04 | Adys | End: did I mention the structure engine? \o/ |
| 04:56.11 | Bleeter | If I really did write a Modder_With_A_Penis addon*, who'd host it? |
| 04:56.24 | Bleeter | (the one where it's EULA/ToS has the user removing the donation seeking frame) |
| 04:56.36 | Thunder_Child | ~` |
| 04:56.37 | purl | methinks ` is the pimpish feather thing and ' is its whore |
| 04:56.44 | Adys | ~@ |
| 04:56.45 | purl | rumour has it, @ is where it's at |
| 04:56.57 | End | ~? |
| 04:57.05 | Thunder_Child | ~| |
| 04:57.05 | purl | pipe |
| 04:57.10 | End | ~\ |
| 04:57.13 | Adys | ~~ |
| 04:57.14 | End | ~/ |
| 04:57.15 | purl | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 04:57.20 | WobWork | Is it a SECRET? |
| 04:57.30 | kd3 | ~#| |
| 04:57.31 | End | ~# |
| 04:57.31 | purl | methinks # is pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
| 04:57.39 | End | ~& |
| 04:57.40 | purl | hmm... & is AND |
| 04:57.43 | Adys | ~! |
| 04:57.44 | purl | hmm... ! is what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass |
| 04:57.44 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-40-109.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:57.48 | End | ~~~~~ |
| 04:57.49 | purl | grrrr |
| 04:57.54 | End | ~~~~~~ |
| 04:57.55 | purl | ACTION takes out a revolver and shoots end in the head three times. |
| 04:58.02 | End | ~~~~~~~ |
| 04:58.03 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat end. |
| 04:58.03 | Thunder_Child | ~alt |
| 04:58.04 | purl | Alt is telephone button (Contacts), shift is Q-menu, control is Arrow, Audiorecord is mod2, Calendar is mod3 |
| 04:58.11 | Adys | ~ctrl |
| 04:58.12 | purl | Alt is telephone button (Contacts), shift is Q-menu, control is Arrow, Audiorecord is mod2, Calendar is mod3 |
| 04:58.14 | End | ~emulate Thunder_Child |
| 04:58.15 | purl | Let me guess... Your parients are cousins |
| 04:58.16 | Zootfizzle | ~whaleponcho end |
| 04:58.17 | purl | ACTION uses the magic of nanotubes to create a whale shaped poncho around end, protecting them. |
| 04:58.23 | End | lol |
| 04:58.24 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ that emulate |
| 04:58.24 | Adys | ~bored |
| 04:58.25 | purl | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 04:58.26 | Bleeter | parients? |
| 04:58.53 | WobWork | this is Thunder_Child we're talking about |
| 04:58.54 | Bleeter | have I mentioned it today? |
| 04:58.58 | Bleeter | I really hate PC hardware |
| 04:59.04 | WobWork | You haven't |
| 04:59.08 | Bleeter | well |
| 04:59.09 | WobWork | You'd better or else you'll forget |
| 04:59.12 | Bleeter | I really hate PC hardware |
| 04:59.12 | End | Bleeter: uh oh, the sky is blue |
| 04:59.21 | Bleeter | End: not just any blue |
| 04:59.25 | Bleeter | it's the falling hue of blue |
| 04:59.25 | End | sky blue...? |
| 04:59.30 | End | lol |
| 04:59.41 | Adys | ~whalecuddle End |
| 04:59.42 | purl | WAAAAHHHHHHHHHH **stumphs** |
| 04:59.42 | Bleeter | aka 'blue shifted sky' |
| 04:59.58 | WobWork | stumph? |
| 05:00.03 | Adys | its like |
| 05:00.05 | End | stumph! |
| 05:00.08 | Adys | exactlyu |
| 05:00.23 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate thunder_child1 |
| 05:00.27 | WobWork | I'm glad you clearefd that up |
| 05:00.31 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate thunder_child |
| 05:00.32 | purl | "emulate thunder_child" is "<reply> (see emulate1 Thunder_Child|see emulate2 Thunder_Child)" |
| 05:00.38 | Thunder_Child | ~literal emulate1 thunder_child |
| 05:00.39 | purl | "emulate1 thunder_child" is "(<reply> Let me guess... Your parients are cousins|<reply> Save your breath ...you'll need it to blow up your date|<reply> People like you are the reason people like me need medication)" |
| 05:00.41 | Bleeter | IE8 acid3 test FAIL!! http://skipall.com/37.jpg lol |
| 05:00.58 | Adys | ouch |
| 05:01.01 | WobWork | wow |
| 05:01.04 | WobWork | that's pretty fail |
| 05:01.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:01.23 | Thunder_Child | purl, no, emulate1 thunder_child is (<reply> Let me guess... Your parents are cousins|<reply> Save your breath ...you'll need it to blow up your date|<reply> People like you are the reason people like me need medication) |
| 05:01.23 | purl | okay, Thunder_Child |
| 05:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | The funny thing is, that "FAIL" in the top-left |
| 05:01.35 | Bleeter | WobWork: you know the old saying, if yer gunna fail at something may as well fail spectacularly |
| 05:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Is from the Acid3 test, it wasn't photoshopped on |
| 05:01.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@git.wowace.com) |
| 05:03.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@69.57.184.216) |
| 05:04.25 | Adys | My computer fans go completely crazy when i stay more than 10 sec on the login/charselect screen |
| 05:04.28 | Adys | anyone else's? |
| 05:04.45 | End | big fucking...walrus? |
| 05:05.31 | B_F_W | http://www.geocities.com/victimsoftism/lyrics-der/31bfw.htm |
| 05:07.33 | *** join/#wowuidev digmouse (n=chatzill@58.20.47.166) |
| 05:10.17 | WobWork | .... you were close, end |
| 05:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:13.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Some guy on UI/M is looking for where to find WoW's Lua license |
| 05:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (PS: the official lua is as-is) |
| 05:13.32 | Tekkub | rear bumper |
| 05:13.47 | cbreak | I don't think the wow lua is OSS |
| 05:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lua itself isn't strictly OSS |
| 05:14.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You can do pretty much whatever you want with it with no restrictions |
| 05:14.15 | seebs | It's an open-source certified license. |
| 05:14.18 | seebs | That's okay. |
| 05:14.20 | kd3 | it's MIT |
| 05:14.22 | seebs | OSS doesn't have to be restrictive. |
| 05:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, disregard that "strictly OSS" part |
| 05:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm broke |
| 05:14.30 | seebs | Not all OSS is GPL. :) |
| 05:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes yes I know I'm just slow at typing while wating |
| 05:14.33 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/license.html is the license of Lua |
| 05:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | *eating |
| 05:16.44 | B_F_W | Big.. Freakin'... WobWork |
| 05:17.07 | WobWork | That's what all the girls say |
| 05:17.07 | Bleeter | Bleeter: why do you have a capital B? |
| 05:17.22 | Bleeter | Bleeter: 'coz I've been on freenode longer than you so stfu and gtfo :P |
| 05:18.18 | *** join/#wowuidev PProvost (n=PProvost@WoWUIDev/WAU/Admin/Pprovost) |
| 05:20.39 | Thunder_Child | yes WobWork, but they be lieing |
| 05:21.06 | WobWork | They only lie to you to spare your feelings Thunder_Child. The rest of us are made of sterner stuff =P |
| 05:21.48 | WobWork | hm, I'd search out synopsis of the BSG finale |
| 05:21.52 | Shirik | Bleeter: I do not authorize your capital B |
| 05:21.57 | WobWork | but I figure I'd be just as confused if I did read it |
| 05:22.53 | Bleeter | Shirik: lucky I authorised your capital S, or I'd be suing your butt right now |
| 05:23.08 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, unlikely |
| 05:23.26 | WobWork | That's what they tell you =) |
| 05:24.13 | Thunder_Child | i'd have to ask first for that to be an issue |
| 05:24.48 | Zootfizzle | I miss bleeter too =( |
| 05:25.10 | Bleeter | zootfizzle: you liar, you scoundrel! |
| 05:25.18 | WobWork | bleeter was much nicer than this new Bleeter =( |
| 05:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | zootfizzle: lowercase z supposed to mean you're sleeping? |
| 05:25.20 | Fisker- | i hate Bleeter |
| 05:25.28 | Bleeter | er |
| 05:25.29 | Bleeter | staple |
| 05:25.32 | Fisker- | ~nickmeter Bleeter |
| 05:25.33 | purl | Bleeter is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 05:25.37 | Bleeter | :D |
| 05:25.39 | Fisker- | ~nickometer bleeter |
| 05:25.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, profail |
| 05:25.51 | Wraithan | ~nickometer Wraithan |
| 05:25.52 | Fisker- | when the bot is right, it's right |
| 05:26.02 | kd3 | ~factinfo nickmeter |
| 05:26.02 | purl | kd3: there's no such factoid as nickmeter |
| 05:26.11 | Fisker- | fail kd3 |
| 05:26.11 | Fisker- | fail |
| 05:26.13 | Bleeter | ~fail kd3 |
| 05:26.14 | purl | kd3: FAIL! |
| 05:26.15 | WobWork | ~nickmeter Fisker- |
| 05:26.16 | purl | Fisker- is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 05:26.23 | Bleeter | when it's right |
| 05:26.24 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: it is a custom purl script |
| 05:26.25 | Bleeter | it's on a roll |
| 05:26.33 | WobWork | ~nickometer WobWork |
| 05:26.33 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 05:26.45 | End | ~nickometer Fisker- |
| 05:26.48 | Zootfizzle | I want to try it |
| 05:26.51 | Zootfizzle | But I'm scared |
| 05:26.54 | Zootfizzle | It's like looking at God |
| 05:26.57 | Fisker- | ~nickometer Zootfizzle |
| 05:27.01 | Fisker- | :( |
| 05:27.02 | Zootfizzle | YES! |
| 05:27.05 | Zootfizzle | ULTIMATE VICTORY! |
| 05:27.06 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:27.08 | End | ~nickmeter Zootfizzle |
| 05:27.08 | purl | Zootfizzle is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 05:27.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I'm sitting at 14 or 16 |
| 05:27.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ~nickometer ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:27.18 | End | it's the 1 |
| 05:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Or 20 something |
| 05:27.19 | Shirik | oh snap |
| 05:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 05:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah it's the 1 |
| 05:27.25 | End | ~nickometer End123 |
| 05:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (I was also 12 when I made it) |
| 05:27.30 | End | ~nickometer End1234 |
| 05:27.32 | WobWork | ~nickometer ScytheBladeOne |
| 05:27.33 | Bleeter | ~nickometer GitFinger |
| 05:27.39 | Bleeter | that does it |
| 05:27.43 | cog|away | god how long ago was it we were battling for high nickometer scores? |
| 05:27.50 | cog|away | i think we got to ~ 99.8 |
| 05:27.52 | WobWork | ~nickometer cog|away |
| 05:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:27.57 | End | ~nickometer |1 |
| 05:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ~nickometer Sbo |
| 05:28.02 | cog|away | ~nickometer cogwheel |
| 05:28.04 | End | ~nickometer |1$% |
| 05:28.06 | cog|away | ^ |
| 05:28.14 | End | ~nickometer |1$%0- |
| 05:28.18 | WobWork | rofl |
| 05:28.25 | End | ~nickometer -|1$%0- |
| 05:28.31 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: curious, when does TW start the 1 day counter for death? Reset at midnight, or when I died? |
| 05:28.34 | Thunder_Child | ~nickometer -------- |
| 05:28.36 | WobWork | getting there! |
| 05:28.37 | cog|away | ~nickometer ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:28.50 | End | ~nickometer -|1=$%0- |
| 05:28.52 | Thunder_Child | ~nickometer !!!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@@@@##################$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$%%%%%%%%%%%%%^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:29.03 | End | ~nickometer -|1=$%0-()- |
| 05:29.04 | Thunder_Child | lol .0001 more |
| 05:29.11 | batrick | wtf spam |
| 05:29.14 | End | lol |
| 05:29.15 | End | >_ |
| 05:29.16 | End | >_> |
| 05:29.18 | Arrowmaster | ~nickometer xXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXx |
| 05:29.18 | Fisker- | ~nickometer - |
| 05:29.19 | cog|away | ScytheBlade1: no idea >< |
| 05:29.19 | Thunder_Child | gtfo batrick |
| 05:29.26 | Zootfizzle | Okay |
| 05:29.30 | Fisker- | ~nickometer % |
| 05:29.31 | Zootfizzle | This is also getting lame >_< |
| 05:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: k |
| 05:29.42 | Arrowmaster | ~nickometer Zootfizzle |
| 05:29.47 | Zyndrome | explosive diarreah |
| 05:30.06 | Tekkub | I gave Zooty his roc eggs tonight |
| 05:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:30.14 | GitFinger | kinky |
| 05:30.16 | Tekkub | I didn't ask where he planned to put them |
| 05:30.22 | A1 | hm |
| 05:30.26 | Zootfizzle | I keep them in back. |
| 05:30.34 | GitFinger | Zootfizzle: tmi |
| 05:30.54 | Zootfizzle | The back of my fridge, over on the left. |
| 05:31.07 | GitFinger | WobWork: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/03/23/1237656833566.html |
| 05:31.19 | GitFinger | WobWork: iinet have pulled out of the filter trials |
| 05:31.29 | kd3 | hm... wonder what hard alcohol I get to break out tomorrow night? |
| 05:31.34 | Tekkub | right, we don't believe you |
| 05:31.35 | WobWork | woohoo! |
| 05:31.45 | GitFinger | Zootfizzle: SSOIDH |
| 05:31.49 | Tekkub | kd3, shit I need to get something myself |
| 05:31.52 | Tekkub | ideas? |
| 05:31.57 | GitFinger | booze |
| 05:32.04 | GitFinger | highly intoxicating booze |
| 05:32.04 | kd3 | I may just go for broke and buy a bottle of everclear |
| 05:32.15 | GitFinger | start at 95% alcohol and work your way up |
| 05:32.16 | Thunder_Child | interesting, after a certian point "99.9982%" nickomter breaks at it goes to 0% |
| 05:32.17 | Tekkub | everclear sucks |
| 05:32.25 | Thunder_Child | nickometer* |
| 05:32.26 | WobWork | "We do not need a 40-year-old senator like [Communications Minister] Stephen Conroy deciding for us what is good and bad. I am appalled that our free country has come to this," said Peters, |
| 05:32.28 | Tekkub | all he sings about is his fucking daddy issues |
| 05:32.29 | WobWork | You go girl! |
| 05:32.39 | Zootfizzle | GitFinger: Sec |
| 05:35.39 | Tekkub | so Zooty, about the addon writer's strike |
| 05:35.43 | Tekkub | we demand rolling |
| 05:35.48 | Tekkub | followed by bouncing |
| 05:35.52 | End | I demand unrolling |
| 05:35.55 | Tekkub | followed by rolling of the 3rd kind |
| 05:35.58 | End | especially on the loops |
| 05:35.59 | kd3 | can I demand unbouncing? |
| 05:36.09 | Shirik | Tekkub: too much futurama |
| 05:36.09 | End | no loop shall go unrolled |
| 05:36.20 | Tekkub | Shirik wins, first time ever! |
| 05:36.25 | GitFinger | I demand a shrubbery |
| 05:36.28 | WobWork | kd3: so what's happening tomorrow night? |
| 05:36.29 | Tekkub | enjoy this people |
| 05:36.33 | Tekkub | it won't happen again |
| 05:36.51 | kd3 | wob; hopefully Legal will come up with a response that results in a lot of us drinking heavily |
| 05:37.03 | End | what sort of drinking |
| 05:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: hopefully? |
| 05:37.22 | Tekkub | Started |
| 05:37.22 | Tekkub | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 05:37.22 | Tekkub | Finished in 3.778 seconds. |
| 05:37.23 | End | actually, my question is stupid. the sort of drinking depends on the sort of response |
| 05:37.25 | Tekkub | not a good sign |
| 05:37.55 | kd3 | Legal'll be in the office tomorrow. and I assume there's been a lot of bitching behind the scenes in addition to the forum posting, so I expect something's going to happen pretty damn quick |
| 05:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: or not. Maybe they'll be slow ;) |
| 05:38.38 | kd3 | that's why I said 'hopefully' |
| 05:38.54 | Tekkub | man kd, you're an optimist |
| 05:38.59 | Tekkub | I expect nothing, ever |
| 05:39.04 | GitFinger | ^^ |
| 05:39.06 | Tekkub | I hope I'm wrong |
| 05:39.20 | AnduinLothar | I expect heavy drinking |
| 05:39.28 | kd3 | meh, the longer they wait the more I expect to drink |
| 05:39.30 | Tekkub | s/expect/plan on |
| 05:39.35 | kd3 | so it works for me just fine |
| 05:39.35 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 05:39.39 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: general will do that to you |
| 05:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: oh wait, you mean UI/M! ;) |
| 05:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | *reading general |
| 05:40.03 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5179409/mobile-visor-confirms-that-you-are-in-fact-looking-at-porn |
| 05:42.41 | GitFinger | meh, no matter what legal do |
| 05:42.50 | GitFinger | we should just counter sue against blizz for false advertising |
| 05:42.55 | GitFinger | *we = users of authenticators |
| 05:43.00 | GitFinger | single use password PAH |
| 05:43.14 | GitFinger | thogh.. mm they might've fixed that ain't tried on the new bnet |
| 05:45.08 | *** join/#wowuidev zerda (n=zerda@58.248.30.132) |
| 05:47.14 | Shirik | Woot |
| 05:47.21 | Shirik | Achievement Unlocked: The Perfect Storm |
| 05:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "Current Balance" "Unavailable" |
| 05:47.29 | Shirik | I now have finished all the BG achievements |
| 05:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "Available Balance" "Unavailable" |
| 05:47.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ... thanks, bank! |
| 05:47.39 | End | Shirik: wow |
| 05:47.43 | kd3 | your bank is hosed |
| 05:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Well it is 11:45, I can see them doing some maint before monday kicks into gear |
| 05:48.07 | Shirik | That is, direct BG achievements |
| 05:48.10 | Shirik | Here's the problem I have |
| 05:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Here is hoping that isn't the case >< |
| 05:48.16 | Shirik | HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO GET WRECKING BALL |
| 05:48.20 | Shirik | 20 KBs without dying |
| 05:48.24 | Shirik | I'm a fricking priest |
| 05:48.26 | Shirik | wtf am I going to do |
| 05:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "Prior Day Balance" "$2.00" |
| 05:48.30 | kd3 | AB? smite spam? |
| 05:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that it matters much |
| 05:48.31 | End | respec? |
| 05:48.33 | Shirik | a healing priest |
| 05:48.37 | kd3 | s/AB/AV/ |
| 05:48.58 | End | how the hell is AV supposed to be better? |
| 05:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Preform WSG with 9 other healers |
| 05:49.06 | End | AB battles last longer than AV |
| 05:49.06 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:49.16 | End | although |
| 05:49.24 | End | AV battles are usually 40 on 20 at the end |
| 05:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Refuse to leave until every last one of you has that achieve |
| 05:49.33 | End | (and 35 on 10 at the start) |
| 05:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | *competent* DPS on the opposition could prohibit that, but face it people are tards |
| 05:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Roll with 9 other healers in WSG and you'll have it in short (well, kinda) order |
| 05:50.48 | End | against 9 healers? you'd need a lot of coordination |
| 05:50.53 | End | attacking the healer is one thing |
| 05:50.58 | ScytheBlade1 | 10, 9+Shirik |
| 05:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Well okay |
| 05:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 9.5 |
| 05:51.06 | End | choosing one out of 10 is another |
| 05:51.09 | GitFinger | mmmm cofffee |
| 05:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI policy sticky is up to post #949 |
| 05:53.06 | kd3 | !! |
| 05:53.13 | kd3 | so, let's hope it threadcaps at 1k |
| 05:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | The board index lists 903 :) |
| 05:53.54 | AnduinLothar | i'l threadcap YOU at 1k! |
| 05:54.08 | Shirik | I threadcapped your mom last night |
| 05:54.11 | Zootfizzle | http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7697/zootegg.jpg |
| 05:54.13 | Zootfizzle | Sorry :P |
| 05:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 05:54.24 | GitFinger | Zootfizzle: hah |
| 05:54.28 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 05:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That is amazing |
| 05:54.37 | Zootfizzle | I had to find my camera |
| 05:54.44 | ScytheBlade1 | *photoshop |
| 05:54.50 | Zootfizzle | CAMERA |
| 05:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | But who cares! |
| 05:54.52 | GitFinger | ScytheBlade1: yeah |
| 05:54.54 | GitFinger | Zootfizzle: sif |
| 05:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | IT IS GOOD ENOUGH! |
| 05:55.05 | GitFinger | ScytheBlade1: true, I think that's worth 50DKP ;) |
| 05:55.12 | Shirik | hey hey |
| 05:55.12 | End | Zootfizzle: so that's where you put your eggs |
| 05:55.16 | Tekkub | so who wants to put down bets? |
| 05:55.19 | Shirik | this is odd |
| 05:55.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd give the guy a bit more than 50DKP but he nuked my ship |
| 05:55.26 | GitFinger | Tekkub: in game? |
| 05:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 05:55.29 | Shirik | 25 fighters belonging to corporation 1 |
| 05:55.34 | Shirik | Sitting in a sector |
| 05:55.37 | Shirik | very peculiar |
| 05:55.37 | Tekkub | 1) blegal retacts the "policy" tomorrow |
| 05:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: ^ |
| 05:55.51 | Tekkub | 2) they comment by the end of the week, but effectivly nothing changes |
| 05:55.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: they aren't mine ;) |
| 05:55.57 | GitFinger | I'll take bets in game |
| 05:55.59 | Tekkub | 3) they never say anything |
| 05:56.01 | Shirik | well they're your corp's |
| 05:56.06 | kd3 | I'd put a lot of money on 2. |
| 05:56.11 | Tekkub | I'm on 3 |
| 05:56.17 | kd3 | shortly followed by me canceling my account |
| 05:56.18 | End | I'd say 2 or 3 |
| 05:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm inbetween 1 and 2 in terms of hopes |
| 05:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Retract? No, I like quite a bit of it. |
| 05:56.38 | kd3 | I want 1, but I'm going to be realistic. |
| 05:56.42 | End | I'm hoping for 1, or 1.5 :P |
| 05:56.43 | GitFinger | kd3: I'm already cancelled.. third time's a charm ;) |
| 05:57.02 | Tekkub | and if we get anything less than 1, we take Zoot hostage |
| 05:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: thing about that |
| 05:57.15 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: he's got the +o |
| 05:57.27 | AnduinLothar | sell him ont he black market for 30 cogs? |
| 05:57.29 | Tekkub | so we're giving him a head start |
| 05:57.33 | Tekkub | he'll need it |
| 05:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ohh that could work |
| 05:57.42 | GitFinger | +0 are like comparing ratings when talking about game rules |
| 05:57.46 | GitFinger | means shit all ;) |
| 05:57.50 | GitFinger | * +O |
| 05:58.07 | Tekkub | hey now, I put +o to good use when I have |
| 05:58.11 | Tekkub | *have it |
| 06:00.36 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:00.39 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring_ (n=copystri@p548A1B71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:00.40 | Shirik | Just got Perfect Storm x2 |
| 06:00.44 | Shirik | Alliiance sucks tonight |
| 06:00.56 | GitFinger | you sure it's just you don't suck as much as usual? |
| 06:01.03 | GitFinger | gnight Zoot|zZz thanks for the lol@pic |
| 06:01.05 | Tekkub | I still say that should be ZootfizZzle |
| 06:01.11 | GitFinger | hahaha true |
| 06:01.23 | GitFinger | about the only case of /nick on /away that's cool |
| 06:01.23 | Tekkub | much better |
| 06:01.43 | GitFinger | indeed, by bucketloads |
| 06:02.51 | kd3 | ho, someone just killed maws |
| 06:03.27 | Shirik | maws? |
| 06:03.36 | kd3 | part of the scepter quest to open the aq gates |
| 06:03.39 | kd3 | just saw the world emote |
| 06:04.21 | Adys | saurfang EU still got gates closed |
| 06:04.23 | Adys | last serv |
| 06:04.30 | Adys | think Ill transfer |
| 06:21.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian_ (i=lukian@203.171.70.21) |
| 06:23.25 | sylvanaar | Tekkub #2 |
| 06:24.46 | Fisker- | Adys when can you bang the gong then? |
| 06:25.11 | Shefki | When you have the whole sceptor. |
| 06:25.19 | Fisker- | i hate you Shefki |
| 06:25.22 | Adys | 1-2 weeks after the materials are all gathered |
| 06:25.28 | Fisker- | you too |
| 06:25.29 | Fisker- | :P |
| 06:25.30 | Adys | dont remember |
| 06:25.40 | Shefki | Fisker-: On the gong show? |
| 06:28.35 | Shirik | Rock & Roll Angels sing that Hard Rock Hallelujah |
| 06:29.12 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring (n=copystri@p548A1B71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:29.23 | Shirik | bring* |
| 06:29.23 | Shirik | whatever |
| 06:36.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Wimpsy` (n=Wimp_@78-70-121-17-no170.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 06:36.13 | Wimpsy` | Morning |
| 06:37.05 | Cairenn | hey |
| 06:37.37 | Wimpsy` | Is there a way to remove a few of yoru addons without reporting them? :p |
| 06:37.40 | Wimpsy` | on wowi |
| 06:38.00 | Wimpsy` | i have a few that wont get updated, and i don't want people to download them anymore. |
| 06:38.40 | Tekkub | you give cair links |
| 06:38.55 | Shirik | Or me |
| 06:38.58 | Shirik | Tekkub is mean |
| 06:39.04 | End | nope, can't have Shirik do it |
| 06:39.06 | Tekkub | you don't count |
| 06:39.12 | Wimpsy` | hahaha ^^ |
| 06:40.00 | Wimpsy` | i already reported them though last night... so should i still throw you the links Shirik? |
| 06:40.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:40.08 | Shirik | is that why my blackberry's been spamming me |
| 06:40.12 | Shirik | I haven't bothered to check it |
| 06:40.15 | Wimpsy` | Sorry :( |
| 06:40.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@124-168-131-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:40.22 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:40.26 | Shirik | yeah give me the links here |
| 06:40.29 | Tekkub | god, we don't care about your stupid crackberry! |
| 06:40.31 | Tekkub | stop it! |
| 06:40.36 | Cairenn | actually, sec |
| 06:41.00 | Tekkub | that's all it is out of you, blackberry blackberry blackberry blackberry blackberry |
| 06:41.02 | Cairenn | do you want them removed completely, or just disabled in protest, in the hopes that Blizz comes around? |
| 06:41.18 | Wimpsy` | no, removed completely ^_^ |
| 06:41.21 | Wimpsy` | i'm keeping some up :p |
| 06:41.32 | Cairenn | okay |
| 06:41.46 | Wimpsy` | this policy won't affect me, so i'm trying not to get involved in discussions etc as i may upset someone |
| 06:41.57 | Wimpsy` | so i'm just staying out of it ;) |
| 06:41.58 | Cairenn | just PM Shirik or myself and we'll delete them for you |
| 06:42.03 | Tekkub | they're already upset |
| 06:42.15 | Tekkub | best you can do is poke them with a stick and laugh at the results |
| 06:42.19 | Wimpsy` | xD |
| 06:42.28 | Wimpsy` | Cairenn: Alright, thanks. :) |
| 06:42.28 | Cairenn | ~cluebyfour Tekkub |
| 06:42.32 | Thunder_Child | poke harder Tekkub |
| 06:42.42 | Tekkub | poor cair, I disabled the silly bot |
| 06:42.48 | Tekkub | that won't work with me |
| 06:42.54 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:42.54 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Tekkub |
| 06:42.55 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Tekkub. I hate you because you fail. |
| 06:42.55 | Wimpsy` | Inconceivable! |
| 06:43.05 | Wimpsy` | purl is mean |
| 06:43.13 | Tekkub | purl is stupid |
| 06:43.14 | Cairenn | I don't think that word means what you think it means |
| 06:43.23 | Wimpsy` | a mean bot ._. |
| 06:43.38 | Cairenn | "inconceivable" |
| 06:43.39 | Wimpsy` | Cairenn: It means something like, unbelievable? |
| 06:43.48 | Tekkub | umpossible |
| 06:43.57 | Cairenn | lol, take it you've never watched Princess Bride? |
| 06:44.00 | GitFinger | NEVER START A LAND WAR IN ASIA! |
| 06:44.08 | Wimpsy` | Nope i haven't. :) |
| 06:44.13 | GitFinger | Cairenn: p.s. you're my only WoW friend lol |
| 06:44.16 | Shirik | All we need is lightning |
| 06:44.18 | Shirik | With power and might |
| 06:44.22 | Shirik | Striking down the prophets of false |
| 06:44.28 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:44.30 | Tekkub | p.s. she's not your friend |
| 06:44.38 | Cairenn | as you wwwwiiiiiissssssshhhhhh |
| 06:44.39 | GitFinger | is too |
| 06:44.40 | Wimpsy` | Hardrock Hallelujah, it's not that good Shirik. :( |
| 06:44.42 | GitFinger | facebook said so |
| 06:44.46 | Shirik | it is an awesome song |
| 06:44.48 | Shirik | gtfo |
| 06:44.50 | Adys | ~whaleponcho Cairenn |
| 06:44.51 | purl | ACTION uses the magic of nanotubes to create a whale shaped poncho around Cairenn, protecting them. |
| 06:44.51 | Shirik | I will not delete your stuff now |
| 06:44.55 | Wimpsy` | :< |
| 06:44.58 | Shirik | Especially because you never PMed me anything |
| 06:45.01 | Wimpsy` | ~fail Shirik |
| 06:45.02 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 06:45.02 | Shirik | You obviously like Cairenn more |
| 06:45.12 | Adys | \o/ |
| 06:45.16 | Tekkub | ~pandarape Shirik |
| 06:45.18 | Wimpsy` | I haven't PMed anyone yet >_< |
| 06:45.25 | Adys | ~pm Wimpsy` |
| 06:46.07 | Wimpsy` | I should eat, take a painkiller, maybe have some coffee even before i start chatting on IRC |
| 06:46.13 | GitFinger | Cairenn: don't fret.. cog|away's clearly lost his mind too and is my other friend |
| 06:46.39 | Wimpsy` | Shirik: I love yooouuu. :< |
| 06:47.18 | Wimpsy` | hehe |
| 06:47.21 | Shirik | back in November |
| 06:47.23 | Cairenn | talk to me about pain killers :p |
| 06:47.26 | Wimpsy` | i have cola |
| 06:47.35 | Wimpsy` | thanks for reminding me :D |
| 06:47.37 | GitFinger | god I love how FB tells me that people post stuff tomorrow |
| 06:47.49 | GitFinger | with timezone code like that, their staff should work for Blizz >< |
| 06:48.28 | GitFinger | P.S. Daily quest rollover is still effected by summertime etc. |
| 06:48.51 | GitFinger | just advice to players, sif I'm gunna be arsed filing bugs and suggestions anymore |
| 06:49.05 | Wimpsy` | Shirik: How's the interface manager coming around? :) |
| 06:49.48 | Shirik | I cannot possibly make an unbiased comment on my own project |
| 06:50.00 | Shirik | ask Cairenn |
| 06:50.41 | GitFinger | Wimpsy`: Soon |
| 06:51.27 | Wimpsy` | hehe |
| 06:51.50 | Wimpsy` | i pmed you Shirik, that's my proof of love |
| 06:51.55 | Wimpsy` | :L |
| 06:52.04 | Shirik | um |
| 06:52.04 | Shirik | no you didn't |
| 06:52.15 | Wimpsy` | yes i did >_< |
| 06:52.23 | Wimpsy` | Unless, you're not named Shirik on wowinterface! |
| 06:52.23 | selckin | the powers of freenode will stop you |
| 06:52.27 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:52.30 | Shirik | I thought you meant here |
| 06:52.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:52.37 | Shirik | I see that was you spamming my blackberry again then |
| 06:52.50 | Wimpsy` | I can't do anything right this morning. :( |
| 06:53.18 | Cairenn | you're doing fine, he's just cranky like the rest of us |
| 06:53.22 | Cairenn | been a very long weekend |
| 06:53.36 | Wimpsy` | Policy stressed you up with removing addons etc? |
| 06:53.56 | Cairenn | in part |
| 06:54.34 | Shirik | I'm not cranky |
| 06:54.37 | Shirik | I'm just giving him a hard time |
| 06:54.39 | Wimpsy` | My guess is that it'll come back and bite Blizzard in the buttsy. |
| 06:54.39 | Cairenn | are too |
| 06:54.45 | Wimpsy` | Shirik: But why!? : ( |
| 06:54.50 | Shirik | because I can |
| 06:54.56 | Wimpsy` | Bully ;( |
| 06:55.48 | Wimpsy` | I never quite understood what a blackberry is, a cellphone? |
| 06:55.56 | kd3 | it's a cellphone on crack |
| 06:56.04 | Wimpsy` | Sounds good |
| 06:56.05 | kd3 | for people addicted to cellphones |
| 06:56.14 | Wimpsy` | aha so Shirik's an addict? |
| 06:59.45 | Wimpsy` | I'll take that as a yess |
| 06:59.47 | Wimpsy` | yes * |
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| 07:01.46 | Shirik | sorry trying to finish this WSG >.> |
| 07:01.59 | Wimpsy` | Fair enough |
| 07:03.51 | GitFinger | I'm just kinda half of the mind that whatever legal agreement Blizz have with M$ over ingame adverts, there may actually be fuck all wriggle room for legal to move in |
| 07:04.34 | GitFinger | unless blizz actually do open an AddOn Store |
| 07:04.39 | selckin | the day i see an ingame ad is the day i quit or they stop charging me monthly |
| 07:04.57 | GitFinger | selckin: it's going on the nextgen Launcher type thing |
| 07:05.12 | selckin | couldn't care less about the launcher |
| 07:05.13 | GitFinger | selckin: you'll ahve a chat program etc. not unlike MS or Y! |
| 07:05.44 | nevcairiel | they won't be doing ingame ads, launchers or lobbys sure, but not ingame |
| 07:05.53 | GitFinger | selckin: indeed, but I bet $$$'s that the MS agreement covers all adverts in the 'product', and treats launcher and game as 1 |
| 07:05.58 | nevcairiel | (technically, the lobby is "in-game" too) |
| 07:05.59 | GitFinger | just where Blizz *choose* to put the adverts |
| 07:06.03 | GitFinger | nevcairiel: yup |
| 07:06.26 | nevcairiel | Didn't the battle.net lobby have blizzard ads before? |
| 07:06.29 | Shirik | Wimpsy` |
| 07:06.37 | Shirik | nm |
| 07:06.46 | Wimpsy` | huh? |
| 07:06.47 | selckin | its somethingt you click through and yell at and find annoying to to get in game |
| 07:06.48 | nevcairiel | shirik is such a weird person |
| 07:06.56 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 07:07.14 | Cairenn | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/dec08/12-03MassiveBlizzardPR.mspx |
| 07:08.15 | GitFinger | yup |
| 07:08.30 | GitFinger | If you're allowed to seek donations at all, from my IANAL read, you have to do it thru Massive |
| 07:09.07 | Fisker- | HURR DURR |
| 07:10.36 | Fisker- | in b4 ads in wow anyways |
| 07:11.29 | Wimpsy` | Time to jump on CS:S a bit |
| 07:11.59 | Fisker- | need moar moneys to breastfeed shitty games in Activision Blizzard |
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| 07:14.09 | Shirik | Wimpsy`: Done |
| 07:14.18 | Wimpsy` | Thanks Shirik. :) |
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| 07:15.37 | Shirik | I seriously doubt Blizzard would put ads in WoW |
| 07:15.48 | Shirik | It's surely their most profitable game, why would they risk losing it |
| 07:16.23 | GitFinger | Shirik: If I were blizz, I'd put ads in for steins, card game, swords, etc. ;) |
| 07:16.54 | Fisker- | people won't quit anyway |
| 07:17.01 | GitFinger | some stuff I could see them 'trying' to work in, and maybe it would actually work 'hey you just won a sword that almost looks like Frostmourne... HOW ABOUT THE REAL THING!?' |
| 07:17.18 | Shirik | And Wimpsy` |
| 07:17.40 | Wimpsy` | Yepp? |
| 07:17.41 | Shirik | Blackberry is cell phone + email + web browser + calendar (synced with outlook/lotus if you'd like) + apps + a bunch of other things |
| 07:17.43 | Fisker- | I'm mainly talking about advertising in the "Pre-game" |
| 07:17.49 | Shirik | most importantly cell phone + email |
| 07:17.54 | Fisker- | loadingscreens, etc. |
| 07:17.57 | nevcairiel | GitFinger: i had the thought of replacing consumables with real-life references, but thats probably too much =P |
| 07:18.10 | GitFinger | Fisker-: yeah people wont care about that, witness the forum adverts |
| 07:18.24 | durcyn | the very minute blizzard tries to sell me a Mountain Dew Mana Potion, i'm the fuck outta there |
| 07:18.26 | Fisker- | They care, they just don't care enough to stop playing the game |
| 07:18.33 | Thunder_Child | wth is a 77 LFG'ing H AN |
| 07:18.38 | Wimpsy` | Shirik: Sounds good |
| 07:18.43 | Fisker- | durcyn they won't unless it becomes a licensed blizzard product |
| 07:18.44 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 07:18.51 | GitFinger | ^^ |
| 07:18.51 | durcyn | no, i meant in-game branding, Fisker- |
| 07:18.58 | Fisker- | heroic azjol-nerub Thunder_Child |
| 07:19.01 | Fisker- | ah |
| 07:19.03 | Fisker- | doh |
| 07:19.04 | Fisker- | :P |
| 07:19.13 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 07:19.14 | Fisker- | or a healer perhaps |
| 07:19.16 | durcyn | Patch 3.2, brought to you by Verizon |
| 07:19.24 | Fisker- | Reminds me of guildchat yesterday |
| 07:19.32 | Thunder_Child | can you even go in a heroic before 80 Fisker-? |
| 07:19.41 | nevcairiel | as long as the ingame experience isnt tainted by ads, they can do wtf they want to patches/launchers/lobbys |
| 07:19.42 | Fisker- | "LF healer and dps AN Hero (daily)" |
| 07:19.48 | Fisker- | get it? An hero? |
| 07:19.48 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 07:19.58 | GitFinger | omg |
| 07:20.03 | GitFinger | i think Fisker- cracked a genuine funny |
| 07:20.09 | GitFinger | :P |
| 07:20.12 | nevcairiel | wasn't that good |
| 07:20.23 | Fisker- | then you don't know what an hero is lolol |
| 07:22.23 | Shirik | omfg |
| 07:22.27 | Shirik | Blackberry has 29 new emails |
| 07:22.30 | Shirik | wtf did you do Wimpsy` |
| 07:23.01 | nevcairiel | You're at a computer and still check your mail with the blackberry? |
| 07:23.07 | Shirik | yeah |
| 07:23.12 | nevcairiel | ..why? |
| 07:23.18 | Shirik | I don't feel like trying to keep my laptop and blackberry in sync |
| 07:23.29 | Shirik | with what I've read and what I haven't |
| 07:23.40 | nevcairiel | use imap imho |
| 07:23.40 | Wimpsy` | Shirik: I reported all mods i wanted taking down, :( |
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| 07:25.04 | Shirik | Hm, actually, most of them were ban alerts from my server |
| 07:25.09 | Shirik | stupid bot nets |
| 07:25.54 | End | and I thought a mohawk was silly on a gnome... |
| 07:26.06 | End | in warhammer dwarves are either bald, or have a mohawk |
| 07:29.45 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Washington&diff=next&oldid=130794111 <-lol |
| 07:31.43 | Wimpsy` | lol Fisker- |
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| 07:35.02 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864298380&sid=1#4 <-lol'd |
| 07:35.33 | GitFinger | lol http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atlantic_Records&action=history |
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| 07:36.12 | batrick | Why can't I give guild leader to an offline player (my alt) whywhywhywhy |
| 07:36.40 | GitFinger | 'coz the /who and player ID system is bunk |
| 07:37.01 | GitFinger | Fisker-: yeah there's actually been posts from time to time to the GMs asking when the gold is going to be delivered |
| 07:37.06 | GitFinger | rare, but not non-existant |
| 07:37.17 | Thunder_Child | s/GitFinger/bleeter/ |
| 07:37.48 | Fisker- | lets harass him |
| 07:37.50 | Fisker- | i hate that name |
| 07:38.04 | GitFinger | only changed it 'coz it's not lame like yours |
| 07:38.13 | Thunder_Child | why did you change it? |
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| 07:44.16 | Sixen | I live! |
| 07:44.39 | Sixen | scytheblade1 rawr |
| 07:44.41 | Sixen | Hai Cairenn! |
| 07:49.48 | Sixen | RAWR. |
| 07:52.19 | Shirik | no |
| 07:52.21 | Shirik | I rawred |
| 07:52.23 | Shirik | you cowered |
| 07:53.13 | Xinhuan | my account has been placed by random people on craigslist for sale before |
| 07:53.37 | Xinhuan | its pretty /rolleyes when level 1s log on and demand my account password |
| 07:54.32 | Sixen | oic. |
| 07:54.35 | Sixen | COWER! |
| 07:56.21 | Fisker- | poor you Xinhuan :( |
| 07:56.27 | GitFinger | Xinhuan: can i haz akkownt passwerd ?? |
| 07:56.48 | Xinhuan | i end up talking to them and fidn out how much they agreed to pay |
| 07:56.53 | Xinhuan | i always walk away lol-ing |
| 07:56.58 | Xinhuan | at the amounts |
| 07:57.30 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: wait someone is selling your account, taking money for it? |
| 07:57.39 | Xinhuan | yah |
| 07:57.44 | NeoTron | that's a pretty nifty business idea! "we sell real accounts - that we don't own" |
| 07:57.44 | Elkano | Greatingg. This is Blizzard support staff. Someone complained about potential illegal acctions from your account. I have to order you to hand over your login details so we can look into that matter. |
| 07:58.01 | Shirik | Elkano: Awesome. |
| 07:58.04 | Fisker- | greating? |
| 07:58.19 | Fisker- | i smell fake! |
| 07:58.23 | NeoTron | lies |
| 07:58.24 | Xinhuan | people would be like zomg "i saw this advertisement of your account on sale, its so cheap" |
| 07:58.30 | Elkano | yeah, a mixture of great and thing ;) |
| 07:58.39 | Xinhuan | cheap being a price like $800 |
| 07:58.41 | Xinhuan | /rolleyes |
| 07:58.43 | NeoTron | Xinhuan: that's pretty interesting though - easy to fake and catch stupid people |
| 07:58.53 | NeoTron | I'm sure it happens quite a bit |
| 07:59.02 | NeoTron | and it's a lot better than actually selling accounts :) |
| 07:59.08 | NeoTron | you know, stealing and selling |
| 07:59.21 | Shirik | Elkano: Better give login info to them |
| 07:59.25 | Shirik | Otherwise they will ban |
| 07:59.50 | Fisker- | I should start scamming too then |
| 07:59.59 | Fisker- | sounds like good money |
| 08:00.03 | Fisker- | What's your character again Xinhuan ? |
| 08:00.12 | nevcairiel | xinhuan on blackrock |
| 08:00.17 | Xinhuan | there's only one Xinhuan on armory ;p |
| 08:00.32 | NeoTron | is it a madeup word or does it mean something? |
| 08:00.35 | nevcairiel | but who wants a gnome mage |
| 08:00.35 | Fisker- | Didn't even know your character was called Xinhuan |
| 08:00.51 | Fisker- | oh and there's 2 actually! |
| 08:00.57 | Fisker- | WTS 28 Gnome Warlock PST |
| 08:01.04 | Xinhuan | yeah that's mine too (lol) |
| 08:01.38 | Fisker- | your 2v2 is reported btw ;_; |
| 08:01.50 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 08:02.02 | Fisker- | fothermuckers! |
| 08:02.14 | Xinhuan | hah i don't think i care |
| 08:02.16 | Fisker- | anyways you'd be like stupid if you wanted to sell an account like yours |
| 08:03.41 | nevcairiel | Anyone that sells accounts is stupid, or rather the people that buy them, as they usually end up being banned |
| 08:05.46 | AnduinLothar | Anyone got a lua regex to match all the permutations for string format insertions? |
| 08:06.06 | AnduinLothar | like %s %d and %.2f |
| 08:06.18 | Xinhuan | no, you need an entire library for that |
| 08:06.25 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 08:06.27 | Xinhuan | see ckknight's DeFormat-2.0 |
| 08:06.41 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 08:06.44 | AnduinLothar | ok thanks |
| 08:07.11 | AnduinLothar | what if i just want to detect? |
| 08:07.18 | krka | it's fairly easy |
| 08:07.22 | AnduinLothar | like an if statement to check if they exist |
| 08:07.25 | Xinhuan | you probably have to write your own solution |
| 08:07.42 | AnduinLothar | i just have strfind(text, "%%s") or strfind(text, "%%d") atm |
| 08:07.47 | krka | %[#. +-]%d*.%d*[idfgGeEsq] |
| 08:07.50 | krka | something like that |
| 08:08.18 | AnduinLothar | really? mmm is there docs on that? didn't know it was quite that robust |
| 08:09.03 | Xinhuan | its a lot more robust than you think ;p |
| 08:09.08 | Xinhuan | there's even %1 and %2 stuff |
| 08:09.09 | krka | you can look at the source of kahlua |
| 08:09.15 | krka | it has a full implementation of string.format |
| 08:09.16 | Xinhuan | which can interchange the order of input args |
| 08:09.23 | krka | which was damn annoying to right |
| 08:09.29 | AnduinLothar | i bet |
| 08:09.42 | Mooninaut | is that the lua on lua interpreter? |
| 08:09.50 | krka | %%[0#. +%-]*%d*%.%d*[idfgGeEsq] |
| 08:09.59 | krka | i think that pattern is more correct |
| 08:10.10 | AnduinLothar | lua on java |
| 08:10.12 | krka | Mooninaut: no, lua on java |
| 08:10.19 | Mooninaut | ...buh? |
| 08:11.04 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 08:11.05 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 08:11.13 | Shirik | There are several lua on lua interpreters |
| 08:11.19 | Shirik | However, I don't think any of them are interpreters |
| 08:11.34 | Shirik | would probably be pretty stupid if they were |
| 08:11.52 | nevcairiel | what are they then? |
| 08:12.00 | Shirik | VMs |
| 08:12.02 | Shirik | written in Lua |
| 08:12.16 | Shirik | I know mine is at least |
| 08:12.36 | Jamash | I wrote a lua-to-lua compiler |
| 08:12.39 | Jamash | It's called "cat" |
| 08:12.43 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:13.06 | bleeter | who the hell is matt converse, coz apparently i know him or he should be my friend or some crap ... stupid bloody facebook |
| 08:13.13 | Shirik | a Lua VM in Lua is a little more complicated than loadstring()()... |
| 08:13.15 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 08:13.19 | Shirik | it's not just "cat" |
| 08:13.38 | AnduinLothar | you can add notes to facebook friending cant you? |
| 08:13.53 | Shirik | bleeter: 90% of the people you know on facebook you don't know |
| 08:14.09 | bleeter | Shirik: no shit, that's why I try keeping a tight control |
| 08:14.10 | Jamash | I know 100% percent of my facebook friends |
| 08:14.18 | bleeter | it keeps suggesting this guy and I'm 'wtf is it?' |
| 08:14.18 | Shirik | However, there are a lot of Matts in this channel |
| 08:14.25 | AnduinLothar | ok so question #2. what's the best way to throw an error after I've caught it with pcall? |
| 08:14.26 | bleeter | seems to only be recommending 'coz of cog and cair |
| 08:14.41 | bleeter | and being a friend of cog and cair is hardly a stellar recommendation ;) |
| 08:14.43 | Shirik | I know of 3, including myself. However, I know at least 2 of them are not "converse" |
| 08:15.19 | bleeter | still find it amusing that the only reason there are 'official' pidgin and guifications FB groups |
| 08:15.25 | bleeter | is we were reverse hacking their chat protocols |
| 08:16.44 | Jamash | I wish I could /gchat on pidgin |
| 08:17.03 | bleeter | funny you should mention that... |
| 08:19.36 | Shirik | I got it |
| 08:19.38 | Shirik | Can do it |
| 08:19.43 | Shirik | What you need to do |
| 08:19.48 | Shirik | take a screenshot every 5 seconds |
| 08:19.54 | End | lol |
| 08:19.55 | Shirik | OCR parse guild chat |
| 08:20.08 | End | yeah, that's a fantastic solution |
| 08:20.15 | Shirik | I haven't worked out back to WoW yet |
| 08:20.28 | Shirik | I guess you can simulate the keys |
| 08:20.30 | bleeter | Shirik: trained monkies |
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| 08:20.53 | End | ^ |
| 08:20.58 | End | trained monkies |
| 08:21.00 | End | ftw |
| 08:21.02 | AnduinLothar | applescript |
| 08:21.35 | Shirik | Blizzard's policy does not state that you cannot use trained monkeys in code |
| 08:21.41 | Shirik | I GOT IT |
| 08:21.56 | Shirik | We can use RFC 1437 |
| 08:22.05 | Shirik | To include monkeys |
| 08:22.09 | Shirik | in the addon |
| 08:25.45 | Elkano | is 1437 one of the 4/1 RFCs? |
| 08:26.02 | Fisker- | sup Shirik? |
| 08:26.07 | AnduinLothar | krka, "%%[0#. +%-]*%d*%.%d*[idfgGeEsq]" matches "%..f" |
| 08:26.09 | Shirik | yes Elkano |
| 08:26.20 | Elkano | <3 the 4/1s ^^ |
| 08:26.26 | Arrowmaster | the 4/1 rfcs are the best |
| 08:26.34 | Shirik | Elkano: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1437 |
| 08:26.36 | AnduinLothar | is there a ? to use instead of * for some of those prefixes? |
| 08:26.41 | krka | AnduinLothar: a sorry |
| 08:26.43 | krka | no . in the first |
| 08:27.05 | AnduinLothar | but even the + and - should only occur once |
| 08:27.09 | AnduinLothar | or none |
| 08:27.15 | krka | "%%[0# +%-]*%d*%.?.%d*[idfgGeEsq] |
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| 08:27.30 | krka | AnduinLothar: they are allowed to come many times |
| 08:27.35 | AnduinLothar | that still matches %--.f |
| 08:27.38 | AnduinLothar | really? |
| 08:27.49 | krka | yes |
| 08:27.53 | krka | try it in plain lua |
| 08:27.56 | AnduinLothar | you're right... |
| 08:27.59 | AnduinLothar | weird |
| 08:28.07 | krka | not really |
| 08:28.10 | AnduinLothar | why is that? parsing speed? |
| 08:28.14 | krka | probably |
| 08:28.30 | AnduinLothar | or laziness |
| 08:28.32 | krka | the parsing doesn't specify any specific order |
| 08:28.45 | krka | so checking for multiples is inefficient |
| 08:28.50 | krka | and unnecessary for most cases |
| 08:29.05 | AnduinLothar | "%+-.f" even works |
| 08:29.14 | AnduinLothar | bleh |
| 08:29.16 | krka | sure it does |
| 08:29.33 | krka | hmm actually, i think %123f is illegal |
| 08:29.37 | krka | and %.123f |
| 08:29.41 | krka | only two digits afaik |
| 08:30.12 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.123f", 1) |
| 08:30.12 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: invalid format (width or precision too long) |
| 08:30.26 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.12f", 1) |
| 08:30.26 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1.000000000000 |
| 08:31.02 | Shirik | why the heck would you do .123 |
| 08:31.17 | Shirik | You can't get that precision anyway |
| 08:32.33 | Arrowmaster | is it weird that i use %.16g somewhere |
| 08:34.08 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 08:34.20 | Arrowmaster | its your code i modified to use %.16g |
| 08:34.27 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 08:34.31 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 08:34.35 | Shirik | what code is that |
| 08:34.45 | Arrowmaster | LuaDump you made for me |
| 08:35.26 | Shirik | I think I'm going to sleep |
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| 08:35.36 | selckin | nn |
| 08:40.40 | batrick | I wonder how much money Lua's copyright holderer could feasily get for violating the Lua license: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864448534&postId=158627914967&sid=1#6 |
| 08:40.53 | batrick | for WoW violating* |
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| 08:42.00 | End | it's possible Blizzard got a special license directly |
| 08:42.10 | End | I have no idea though |
| 08:42.14 | batrick | ya i doubt that |
| 08:43.59 | selckin | i recon blizzard has done enough to promote lua =) |
| 08:45.26 | End | hm |
| 08:45.35 | selckin | strings Wow.exe | grep -i lua.org |
| 08:45.36 | End | they dop all the stuff for zlib, freetype, etc |
| 08:45.37 | selckin | $Lua: Lua 5.1.1 Copyright (C) 1994-2006 Lua.org, PUC-Rio $ |
| 08:45.39 | selckin | $URL: www.lua.org $ |
| 08:45.41 | selckin | owned |
| 08:45.54 | End | do* |
| 08:45.57 | batrick | that does work selckin |
| 08:46.01 | batrick | does not* |
| 08:46.08 | selckin | i'm sure it shows it somewhere |
| 08:46.40 | End | probably, although I'm not sure where |
| 08:46.51 | End | it's not with the other notices though |
| 08:46.55 | batrick | Inside the executable itself _might_ fly. Even then, the license is _not_ in the executable |
| 08:48.36 | Fisker- | here's a hint |
| 08:48.37 | Fisker- | they know |
| 08:48.39 | Fisker- | they don't care |
| 08:48.50 | Fisker- | case over |
| 08:48.54 | batrick | here's a hint |
| 08:49.05 | batrick | i asked a theoretical question on how much money they could make |
| 08:49.07 | batrick | if they did care |
| 08:49.11 | batrick | so shut up |
| 08:49.12 | batrick | kthx |
| 08:49.22 | selckin | i say none |
| 08:49.31 | Shirik | Judge's first question: What are the damages? |
| 08:49.38 | selckin | they could theoretically lose alot of money on lawyers |
| 08:49.45 | Shirik | EVERYONE knows Lua is built in |
| 08:49.49 | Shirik | it's not like it's hidden |
| 08:49.50 | batrick | wrong shirik |
| 08:50.03 | Shirik | wrong? |
| 08:50.10 | Shirik | care to elaborate? |
| 08:50.13 | batrick | yes just look at how stupid people are on the UI forums |
| 08:50.23 | batrick | they don't fucking understand what Lua is or how WoW uses it |
| 08:50.25 | Shirik | Said people wouldn't know even if the license were included |
| 08:50.35 | Shirik | I ignore that group |
| 08:50.40 | batrick | if they read the manual then they would |
| 08:50.47 | Fisker- | btw |
| 08:50.50 | selckin | wow.exe can some cool strings in it |
| 08:50.59 | batrick | you just ignored like 90% of the wow population |
| 08:51.02 | Shirik | yes it does, selckin |
| 08:51.04 | Fisker- | Blizzard also didn't mention they used Bittorrent |
| 08:51.16 | Shirik | batrick: Fact of the matter is, there's no damages from that 90% |
| 08:51.26 | Shirik | Because they wouldn't use it either way |
| 08:52.26 | batrick | i'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure they could come up with something |
| 08:52.26 | Shirik | I won't argue that PUC-Rio wouldn't be able to get something out of it, because they potentially could |
| 08:52.26 | Shirik | would it be a lot? I don't really think so |
| 08:52.26 | Shirik | the biggest problem is there's no real damages, imho |
| 08:52.26 | End | Fisker-: are they redistributing any of the bittorrent source code though? |
| 08:52.26 | End | (I'm pretty sure the answer is no, since the reference code was python) |
| 08:52.43 | Arrowmaster | bittorrent is a protocal |
| 08:52.55 | batrick | courts have made it pretty clear compiled code == source code in law |
| 08:52.56 | End | er, yeah, I should have been more clear |
| 08:53.15 | Shirik | it's still code |
| 08:53.17 | Shirik | either way |
| 08:53.20 | End | The Bittorrent reference source code I should have said :P |
| 08:53.20 | Shirik | compiled code is still code |
| 08:53.23 | Shirik | it's just harder to read |
| 08:53.29 | selckin | then including the notice in the compiled code should be enough |
| 08:53.38 | Shirik | selckin: Is it in there? |
| 08:53.49 | batrick | no, I don't know why he keeps bringing it up |
| 08:53.58 | selckin | copyright statement, not license (that i can find in 2 seocnds) |
| 08:54.10 | batrick | the _license_ must be included |
| 08:54.13 | batrick | not a note of copyright |
| 08:54.17 | batrick | jesus |
| 08:54.26 | Shirik | the copyright notice must be included |
| 08:54.35 | Shirik | according to the lua license |
| 08:54.46 | Shirik | "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software." |
| 08:54.54 | batrick | the copyright is in the license shirik |
| 08:55.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:55.18 | Shirik | but you seem to argue the copyright does not need to be there |
| 08:55.18 | batrick | this is so fucking clear cut i dont know why we are even discussing it |
| 08:55.25 | batrick | that is, whether wow breaks the Lua license |
| 08:55.26 | Shirik | which it does |
| 08:55.27 | batrick | they do |
| 08:55.29 | batrick | end of story |
| 08:55.36 | Shirik | I don't think that's what we were arguing |
| 08:55.49 | Shirik | I was commenting on the fact of "so what," really |
| 08:56.02 | Shirik | "Will the courts really care" |
| 08:56.21 | End | yes |
| 08:56.24 | End | if you have good lawyers |
| 08:56.36 | Shirik | I'm not sure about that |
| 08:56.45 | Shirik | but I'm not going to repeat myself 20 times at 5 AM |
| 08:56.49 | Shirik | you can scroll back if you want |
| 08:57.07 | End | why the hell should the courts care about glider? |
| 08:58.46 | Shirik | huh? |
| 08:59.01 | Shirik | Because it was damaging the game, as you would see if you read the opinion. |
| 08:59.28 | End | that's not what they argued at all. using glider is a copyright violation. somehow. |
| 08:59.34 | Shirik | No shit |
| 08:59.46 | Shirik | Just, read it |
| 08:59.53 | Fisker- | End that wasn't the only argument |
| 09:00.03 | Shirik | Again, I'm not going to try to explain these things at 5 AM |
| 09:00.09 | Shirik | It's pointless anyway |
| 09:00.11 | batrick | why the hell was glider brought up |
| 09:00.17 | nevcairiel | its 10 AM, l2CET |
| 09:00.21 | Shirik | CET is shit |
| 09:00.26 | Shirik | The only important part of the world is on EDT |
| 09:00.48 | selckin | i invoke godwin's law on glider |
| 09:00.56 | nevcairiel | Your on DST already Shirik? |
| 09:01.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:01.06 | nevcairiel | crazy US people |
| 09:01.25 | Shirik | DST is also shit |
| 09:01.30 | Shirik | you brits can keep DST |
| 09:01.33 | Shirik | leave us alone |
| 09:01.46 | Shirik | (I actually have no idea where you're from) |
| 09:01.46 | nevcairiel | who is a brit? |
| 09:02.08 | nevcairiel | for one, brits don't even are in CET |
| 09:02.13 | Shirik | I don't know! |
| 09:02.13 | Cairenn | Iriel for one, Kirkburn for another |
| 09:02.20 | Shirik | I don't care about that useless part of the world! |
| 09:02.26 | Shirik | I already said, the only part of the world I care about is in EDT |
| 09:02.36 | Fisker- | omg you are so ignorant omg omg |
| 09:02.38 | Shirik | :P |
| 09:02.41 | nevcairiel | americans.. |
| 09:02.42 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 09:03.06 | Shirik | we need a new war, yes |
| 09:03.21 | nevcairiel | Your war commander is gone, though |
| 09:03.28 | Shirik | good |
| 09:03.38 | Shirik | He was the CET of commander-in-chiefs |
| 09:04.08 | Shirik | In case you haven't figured it out yet, I pretty much hate everything right now :P |
| 09:04.29 | nevcairiel | Now we're going to trick you into hating something you like |
| 09:04.30 | zenzio | that's okay, everyone hates you back |
| 09:05.09 | Shirik | Okay, normally I don't want to get into this whole discussion |
| 09:05.11 | Shirik | but I have to ask this |
| 09:05.16 | Shirik | someone posts this on forums: "No one HAS to give their mods for free, they just cant charge for it or ask for donations in game. " |
| 09:05.28 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 09:05.40 | Shirik | Am I just reading this wrong or... what is he talking about |
| 09:05.48 | nevcairiel | You can choose to simply not give your mod out at all =) |
| 09:05.58 | End | nevcairiel: technically, that's against the policy >_> |
| 09:06.20 | nevcairiel | End: only if you interpret the "viewable by the general public" in a weird way |
| 09:06.52 | End | what's the non-weird way? |
| 09:06.58 | AnduinLothar | Portfolio Update: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11749-Portfolio.html I'm not sure if evl has a different irc nick, but i know he was asking to make the about page optional. |
| 09:07.08 | Shirik | the non-wierd way is "no obfuscation" |
| 09:07.11 | nevcairiel | That the code is simply readable by anyone (once you acquired the code) |
| 09:07.26 | nevcairiel | I never read a "have to publish all code you ever write" in there |
| 09:07.38 | End | I dunno the " |
| 09:07.40 | End | bah |
| 09:07.52 | Shirik | Even the GPL doesn't require you to publish code |
| 09:07.54 | AnduinLothar | depends on who wrote it... some people's code is illegible even without purposeful obfuscation |
| 09:07.54 | End | I dunno the ", and" seems to make the obsfuscation bit a seperate bit |
| 09:08.09 | Shirik | In the GPL FAQ is a specific entry saying "Can I force someone to give me their modifications?" "No." |
| 09:08.55 | nevcairiel | Nothing could ever force anyone to release their code. It might just not be finished, or a personal pet project that no-one cares about anyway |
| 09:09.11 | End | That's why I said Technically :P |
| 09:09.36 | End | I'm reading it very literally though |
| 09:10.01 | nevcairiel | thats 10 minutes ago Shirik <.< |
| 09:10.02 | batrick | Shirik: you can if they publish the compiled code |
| 09:10.23 | End | yeah, the GPL only covers redistribution though |
| 09:10.40 | Shirik | batrick: Yeah, I was referring to the fact that nothing had been released |
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| 09:11.07 | nevcairiel | why is that stupid svn server down |
| 09:11.31 | nevcairiel | hmm the git server too |
| 09:11.32 | nevcairiel | damnit |
| 09:11.34 | [Ammo] | duh |
| 09:11.43 | [Ammo] | someone probably took a dump on it |
| 09:11.44 | selckin | aw i was just gonna make a stupid comment about moving to git |
| 09:11.53 | batrick | Shirik: I know =) |
| 09:12.11 | nevcairiel | selckin: i was too lazy to move my really tiny projects into git |
| 09:12.30 | selckin | i'm too lazy. |
| 09:12.31 | batrick | what is this about "New Add-on Order" I hear about in the forumz |
| 09:13.02 | batrick | nvm |
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| 09:14.14 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: can always use WoWI's SVN :p |
| 09:14.36 | nevcairiel | but but but |
| 09:14.44 | nevcairiel | its the first time its down =( |
| 09:14.47 | AnduinLothar | yay svn you dotn have to maintain! |
| 09:15.03 | Shirik | nevcairiel: imo, it's down because it was running git |
| 09:15.15 | nevcairiel | i blame hg personally |
| 09:15.24 | Shirik | I've actually never tried hg |
| 09:15.26 | Shirik | I should |
| 09:16.07 | selckin | go to sleep allready |
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| 09:16.52 | AnduinLothar | me too |
| 09:16.59 | Shirik | Hm |
| 09:17.21 | Shirik | In reading the GPLv3 FAQ, I might actually be near-violation of GPL in the WoWI updater |
| 09:17.39 | nevcairiel | I'm not a big fan of 3 |
| 09:17.48 | selckin | Shirik: how so? |
| 09:17.54 | Shirik | I can't tell whether one of the things I do counts as a "deactivation of functionality" |
| 09:18.11 | Shirik | It's a modular app, and I intend to sign certain modules with my private key indicating it's from a trusted source |
| 09:18.32 | Shirik | When modules are not from a trusted source, they'll still run, but will ask the user to confirm permission requests before continuing |
| 09:19.02 | Shirik | From the FAQ: "The only time you would be required to release signing keys is if you conveyed GPLed software inside a User Product, and its hardware checked the software for a valid cryptographic signature before it would function." |
| 09:19.28 | Shirik | oh that has to do with physical devices |
| 09:19.33 | Shirik | for the Tivo problem |
| 09:20.22 | Shirik | yeah I kinda agree, nevcairiel, GPLv3 has some.. peculiarities in it |
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| 09:20.27 | Shirik | But they were warranted |
| 09:20.33 | End | Shirik: you're "conveying" in source form anyhow |
| 09:20.35 | Shirik | What tivo did was exploit the license |
| 09:20.44 | nevcairiel | I'm not really using gpl anyway |
| 09:20.53 | nevcairiel | If i do open source i usually just go BSD |
| 09:21.14 | nevcairiel | my addons are mostly all rights reserved |
| 09:21.26 | Shirik | Not an option for me :) |
| 09:21.36 | Shirik | I actually have another issue |
| 09:21.48 | Shirik | I THINK I can release under GPL |
| 09:21.53 | Shirik | one of my libraries is under the Apache license |
| 09:22.01 | Shirik | and that whole linking thing always confuses me |
| 09:22.33 | End | I don't always get it either |
| 09:22.38 | nevcairiel | the apache license is compatible to GPLv3 |
| 09:22.43 | Shirik | is it? |
| 09:22.47 | Shirik | I thought it wasn't |
| 09:22.47 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 09:22.50 | End | it is |
| 09:22.54 | Shirik | oh well that makes things easier |
| 09:22.56 | End | even the latest Apache license |
| 09:23.06 | End | but the latest Apache license is only compatible with GPLv3 |
| 09:23.15 | nevcairiel | yeah only with 3 |
| 09:24.21 | Shirik | that's fine, I intended to use GPLv3 anyway |
| 09:25.13 | End | anyhow, I think the whole library thing has to do with derivative works and whatnot, but I'm not exactly how that works |
| 09:26.30 | Shirik | bleh |
| 09:26.32 | Shirik | Searching for messages received since your last time on: |
| 09:26.32 | Shirik | > Your fighters in sector 4297 destroyed a Sub Space Ether Probe. |
| 09:26.32 | Shirik | They traced it's transmission to cogwheel's I.D. code. |
| 09:26.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:26.41 | Shirik | Mr. cogs is trying to find us |
| 09:33.41 | End | wow |
| 09:34.00 | End | I didn't know there was a chapter specificly about semiconductor chips in the US copyright law |
| 09:36.05 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 09:36.14 | Shirik | though a lot of work goes into their design |
| 09:36.17 | Shirik | so not entirely surprised |
| 09:37.18 | Shirik | Esamynn|Away: ping |
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| 09:55.25 | Shirik | oh hello Arrowmaster |
| 10:02.26 | Shirik | ok well |
| 10:02.28 | Shirik | night for real |
| 10:02.30 | Shirik | bbl |
| 10:09.55 | Fisker- | nooo Shirik |
| 10:09.58 | Fisker- | my friend needs oyu |
| 10:10.28 | Zyndrome | >>friend |
| 10:19.07 | batrick | That's interesting |
| 10:19.25 | batrick | wowmatrix updates rapidly, my addon is alaready gone within a day |
| 10:21.39 | Fisker- | we should all pretend to be other authors |
| 10:21.43 | Fisker- | and pull down EVERYTHING |
| 10:26.09 | Zyndrome | well, seems we're already on a good way, as some EU realms (including mine) has disappeared from the realm list :< |
| 10:27.55 | nevcairiel | mine is still there |
| 10:28.51 | Kalroth | Not for long! |
| 10:37.12 | Zyndrome | zomg, it reapparead |
| 10:37.28 | Zyndrome | appbuttered, cba spelling |
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| 12:09.53 | Wobin | http://www.myspace.com/captaindan |
| 12:10.00 | Wobin | pirate rap |
| 12:16.18 | Kalroth | ohgod |
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| 12:43.36 | Wobin | http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/3/23/128822706769724348.jpg |
| 12:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 12:44.03 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 12:44.30 | mikma | icanhaswobin |
| 12:53.29 | Fisker- | fail @ battle.net btw |
| 12:53.49 | Fisker- | if you access it from another region i.e. US account from EU it takes like 10-20 seconds to login |
| 12:54.16 | mikma | you know why? |
| 12:54.22 | mikma | because you just said the reason! |
| 12:54.28 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | Lag is laggy. *gentle shrug* |
| 12:55.04 | Fisker- | US account from US is instant |
| 12:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | I find it for fail because it keeps setting my forum toon to be someone NOT the Peppy, which is very bad for me. |
| 12:55.26 | Fisker- | so if it's lagged it atleast caused by some kind of bug or someting |
| 12:55.35 | mikma | fisker-: duh :) |
| 12:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | The US is a finite distance from the EU, with relays in between....why are you surprised that it takes longer? |
| 12:56.22 | mikma | lopeppeppy: long cables are long... lol |
| 12:56.42 | Fisker- | asi said Lopeppeppy you can login either from EU or US |
| 12:56.57 | Fisker- | on EU it takes 10-20 seconds if you have an account initially made on the US system |
| 12:57.10 | mikma | and what's the wonder in that? |
| 12:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | It wants you to be where you said you are. You're not. It reroutes. |
| 12:58.11 | Lopeppeppy | You're bloody lucky that they aren't region-sensitive so that you can't log in from EU at all. |
| 12:58.21 | Fisker- | we should be |
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| 12:59.09 | Fisker- | and we shouldn't be able to shave 10-20 seconds off login time by by choosing to login on either the US or the EU site |
| 12:59.19 | mikma | lopeppeppy: "omg, like, fetching data over seas is SO fail, like" |
| 12:59.46 | Lopeppeppy | I know, fer sure! |
| 13:00.06 | |Jelly| | Data errors make me sad. |
| 13:00.12 | Fisker- | ITT: Clueless people not understanding the simplest of things :3 |
| 13:00.28 | mikma | internettablettalk? |
| 13:00.38 | Fisker- | In This Thread |
| 13:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you're asking a lot of a Monday morning. |
| 13:01.37 | mikma | can you expand tooltip to have multiple rows instead of just one? :I |
| 13:01.41 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 13:02.05 | mikma | lopeppeppy: that's the reason he has -14 karma |
| 13:02.59 | Fisker- | nahuh |
| 13:03.01 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker- |
| 13:03.01 | purl | fisker- has karma of -11 |
| 13:03.03 | Fisker- | you see? |
| 13:03.03 | Lopeppeppy | Mine was at least neutral last I looked, perhaps slightly positive. I smile much more. |
| 13:03.13 | mikma | you have cheated |
| 13:03.19 | mikma | last time you had -14 |
| 13:03.41 | mikma | ~fisker- |
| 13:04.05 | purl | methinks fisker- is a brand of cat food |
| 13:04.05 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 13:04.05 | Fisker- | but some jerks rated me up |
| 13:04.14 | mikma | purl: no, fisker- is I love to confuse people in monday mornings. |
| 13:04.15 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 13:04.36 | Fisker- | not confusing at all :o |
| 13:04.53 | mikma | yet you left atleast two people clueless of your problem :( |
| 13:05.05 | mikma | yeah, i know, i just woke up into monday "morning" too |
| 13:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like "working as intended" to my Peppy ears. |
| 13:05.43 | mikma | now you made that sound like a superhero sense |
| 13:05.50 | mikma | like "my common sense is tickling" |
| 13:05.57 | mikma | or tingling, can't remember |
| 13:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, I totally have superhero powers. |
| 13:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 13:06.07 | Lopeppeppy | See? |
| 13:06.11 | mikma | oh wow |
| 13:06.46 | Fisker- | Having an US account needlessly adds 10-20 seconds on your battle.net login if you login from europe, and vice versa |
| 13:07.00 | mikma | fisker-: ok let's try this once again. |
| 13:07.12 | mikma | you have account in us and you login from europe. |
| 13:07.24 | mikma | that makes battle.net fetch data from us, and you are in europe. |
| 13:07.27 | mikma | do the math. please? |
| 13:07.33 | Lopeppeppy | Why "needlessly" ? It's trying to figure out what the bugger all you're trying to do, criss-crossing the ocean like some supersonic hyperactive monkey. |
| 13:07.47 | mikma | now that was nicely put |
| 13:08.04 | Fisker- | mikma the math would be around 200 msecs |
| 13:08.05 | mikma | it's really quite a distance for data to travel |
| 13:08.08 | Fisker- | not 20000 |
| 13:08.20 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker-, maybe somewhere down the line there's a cranky relay? |
| 13:08.22 | Fisker- | And as i said the problem ceases to exist if you login from the us site |
| 13:08.36 | mikma | no fisker-, that greatly depends of all the other data going back and forth in the internet pipes |
| 13:08.40 | Fisker- | has nothing to do with where my data is stored at all |
| 13:09.11 | Lopeppeppy | I can't tell if you're taking the piss or not, Fisker- ... very nicely done. |
| 13:09.48 | mikma | i have an idea. |
| 13:09.56 | mikma | do not login from eu if you have us account |
| 13:10.05 | mikma | see how that works, mmkay? |
| 13:10.12 | Fisker- | that's not a choice |
| 13:10.29 | Fisker- | only if i wish to access the battle.net site |
| 13:10.56 | mikma | you almost make me cry here |
| 13:11.12 | Fisker- | If i merge my WoW account |
| 13:11.18 | Fisker- | It would automatically ask the EU servers |
| 13:11.32 | Lopeppeppy | You logs from overseas through narrow intertubes, you take the hit of confusing the servers and being rerouted a bit. |
| 13:11.34 | Fisker- | Then the EU servers apparently ask the US servers, taking 20 seconds to do so |
| 13:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I agree it sucks, but it still seems to be working as intended, even while it's sucking. |
| 13:12.03 | Fisker- | I can't choose whether or not i want to login on the "US battle.net" or the "EU battle.net" if i login to wow with that |
| 13:12.07 | mikma | i'm sure there's other stuff involved too when logging overseas |
| 13:13.15 | Fisker- | But there shouldn't be |
| 13:13.36 | mikma | ok, point taken. now let's talk ie. new addon policy! |
| 13:13.41 | Fisker- | And i'd thought it would be an idea to replicate the database |
| 13:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | It's a pretty new system. Drop them some feedback, give them your idea. |
| 13:17.43 | Fisker- | Already done |
| 13:17.43 | Fisker- | Not my idea though |
| 13:17.43 | Fisker- | someone else discovered it |
| 13:17.51 | Lopeppeppy | Give them any good ideas, don't care if your hamster thought it up. :) |
| 13:33.29 | Wobin | hehe >8< Spider pride! |
| 13:34.18 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864846564&sid=1 if you havnb't seen it |
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| 13:39.57 | Lopeppeppy | Phylumism. *giggle* |
| 13:40.40 | Lopeppeppy | What is it with the server errors today? |
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| 13:52.09 | batrick | so how long have the forumz been down |
| 13:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | A few hours probably. |
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| 14:02.58 | Fisker- | what forums? |
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| 14:06.15 | Cidan | wooooewaudsa |
| 14:06.15 | Cidan | hi |
| 14:06.16 | Cidan | xD |
| 14:06.31 | Cidan | Were there any changes to the UI TOS this morning? |
| 14:06.50 | Cidan | Or at least a response from Blizzard? |
| 14:07.01 | batrick | nope |
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| 14:08.19 | Etanol | if y=x^x, how do you define x? |
| 14:08.28 | batrick | o dear |
| 14:08.43 | batrick | !g variable |
| 14:08.44 | batbot | batrick: Variable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable> |
| 14:08.54 | Etanol | not talking about programming |
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| 14:08.57 | Etanol | talking about math |
| 14:09.30 | Aqua | you want the equation to be x = ? |
| 14:09.34 | Etanol | yes |
| 14:09.39 | Etanol | if that's even possible |
| 14:09.44 | Etanol | without having x on the other side too |
| 14:10.13 | Etanol | in short, I know y, and whant to calculate x |
| 14:10.17 | Etanol | on paper |
| 14:10.26 | batrick | Etanol: look through the article |
| 14:10.36 | batrick | or |
| 14:10.37 | Etanol | he requested page title is invalid |
| 14:10.37 | batrick | better yet |
| 14:10.41 | batrick | take an algebra course |
| 14:10.42 | Cidan | lua> 10^10 |
| 14:10.43 | lua_bot | Cidan: 10000000000 |
| 14:10.50 | Etanol | -_- |
| 14:10.56 | Cidan | lua> 3^3 |
| 14:10.56 | lua_bot | Cidan: 27 |
| 14:11.02 | Etanol | so you know how to calculate it then batrick? |
| 14:11.02 | mikma | lua> 6^9 |
| 14:11.02 | lua_bot | mikma: 10077696 |
| 14:11.13 | Etanol | let's replace y then |
| 14:11.17 | batrick | no |
| 14:11.20 | Etanol | 123456789 = x^x |
| 14:11.25 | Etanol | x = ? |
| 14:12.01 | foxlit | ~ 8.64 |
| 14:12.23 | Etanol | I could do x = (123456789)^(1/x) but that won't get me anywhere |
| 14:12.23 | batrick | go study logarithms |
| 14:12.30 | batrick | there you will find you answer |
| 14:12.34 | batrick | your* |
| 14:12.45 | Aqua | its going to be like x * ln x |
| 14:12.53 | Etanol | yes |
| 14:12.56 | Etanol | I got that far |
| 14:12.56 | batrick | why are you doing his homework |
| 14:13.03 | Etanol | it's not fucking homework |
| 14:13.08 | batrick | sure does look like it |
| 14:13.19 | Etanol | -_- |
| 14:13.47 | Etanol | i got to lny = lnx * x |
| 14:14.06 | Etanol | and then y = x * 10^x |
| 14:14.35 | Aqua | so divide by 10^x |
| 14:14.47 | Aqua | would be 10^x * y = x |
| 14:15.52 | Etanol | yes, but that still doesn't define x ^^ |
| 14:16.16 | Aqua | yea, that was the wrong step |
| 14:16.18 | foxlit | batrick: because a numeric value hardly classifies as the answer. |
| 14:16.42 | batrick | foxlit: I was talking to aqua |
| 14:16.51 | batrick | I realize you gave him nothing |
| 14:17.00 | Etanol | .... |
| 14:17.11 | Aqua | batrick: because sometimes people need help? |
| 14:17.25 | Etanol | I am not reading that level of math yet, so stop bitching about "homework" |
| 14:17.31 | batrick | sometimes people should explore and look for the answers in more than one place |
| 14:20.08 | Etanol | yes, good, don't help me. Maybe i'll die if I learn something new :) |
| 14:22.22 | Aqua | hey etanol you know why y is right? |
| 14:22.39 | Etanol | hm? |
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| 14:22.55 | Aqua | you said you needed to solve for X, do you have an value for why? |
| 14:22.59 | Aqua | or you just need a general expression? |
| 14:23.29 | Etanol | still don't follow you ^^ |
| 14:23.34 | Etanol | I want to know how to calculate it |
| 14:23.38 | Aqua | ok |
| 14:23.39 | Etanol | because I find it interesting |
| 14:23.43 | Legorol | Aqua: he wants an analytic expression so that he gets x(y) |
| 14:23.52 | Aqua | thats what i was asking |
| 14:23.54 | Aqua | sorry i just woke up |
| 14:23.59 | Etanol | ^^ |
| 14:24.26 | foxlit | It's one of those "you're screwed, let's define a function that'd do this" things. |
| 14:25.14 | Etanol | I tried it at school and stuck and it's been nagging me all day ^^ |
| 14:26.34 | Aqua | i've got the answer, but your not gonna like it |
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| 14:27.13 | batrick | this should be good |
| 14:27.42 | Aqua | i had to go back to calculus to get the answer |
| 14:28.22 | Etanol | gogo :) |
| 14:30.03 | Aqua | here, this is a better example |
| 14:30.14 | Aqua | http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-156117.html |
| 14:30.18 | Aqua | explains how to solve it |
| 14:30.24 | Aqua | and the rules which you have to apply |
| 14:31.20 | Etanol | thanks |
| 14:31.58 | batrick | in summary since Aqua did all the googling for you, there is no way to define x in terms of elementary functions |
| 14:32.19 | foxlit | now how would you google "x^x" |
| 14:32.33 | Aqua | You don't... |
| 14:32.40 | Aqua | You google x ln x |
| 14:33.31 | foxlit | foiled again :( |
| 14:33.35 | Etanol | how did you solve it foxlit? :P |
| 14:34.40 | foxlit | magic, I'm afraid |
| 14:35.12 | Aqua | that equation is really pretty stupid (for whatever your doing honestly) |
| 14:35.21 | batrick | numerical analysis probably using a graphing calculator or matlab |
| 14:35.35 | foxlit | analytical calculators are awesome things, but they require no understanding. |
| 14:36.32 | Aqua | Yea, i've taken up th rough differentail equations and I don't think i've ever had to solve y = x ^ x in terms of x |
| 14:36.43 | Aqua | *through |
| 14:37.15 | Aqua | unless you start doing first and second order derivatives |
| 14:37.35 | foxlit | (numeric solutions for y>1 are also easy -- the function is monotonically increasing, you can just search.) |
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| 14:39.47 | Aqua | http://www.walterzorn.com/grapher/grapher_e.htm |
| 14:39.58 | Aqua | through that equation and graph its pretty cool |
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| 15:00.09 | Cidan | ugh |
| 15:00.10 | Cidan | so tired |
| 15:00.51 | cog|work | rawr |
| 15:00.59 | Lopeppeppy | *tired rawr* |
| 15:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Did I give you my flu across the internet, Cidan? |
| 15:01.29 | Cidan | You very well may have. |
| 15:01.45 | ScytheBlade1 | NOT FAIR |
| 15:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 72 degrees yesterday |
| 15:01.52 | ScytheBlade1 | FOUR INCHES OF SNOW |
| 15:02.02 | Cidan | yeah, it got really cold for some reason |
| 15:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | DDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 15:02.04 | Lopeppeppy | That's... pretty schizo, ScytheBlade1. |
| 15:02.06 | Cidan | This is nuts. |
| 15:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'ma snap and kill someone |
| 15:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | Cidan, all I can say is rest for 3 days, lots of fluids and rest. The flu sucks it. |
| 15:03.11 | Cidan | Lopeppeppy: I've had the flu once, in my entire life maybe? I'm just tired from extreme sexual exhaustion. |
| 15:03.15 | Cidan | inb4 right hand |
| 15:03.53 | Etanol | I love snow |
| 15:03.58 | Etanol | what's wrong with it? |
| 15:04.01 | Cidan | I do too, but, I want spring already. |
| 15:04.03 | Etanol | go build a cave |
| 15:04.08 | Etanol | and a snowman |
| 15:04.11 | Etanol | ;> |
| 15:04.32 | Lopeppeppy | Cidan, I'm telling you, the chick is crazy, do you need that? It's a whole other form of STD. |
| 15:05.20 | Cidan | Yes, crazy indeed. We took a 4 hour road trip at 9 last night, then romped around in bed from 1 to about 5 AM where she tried to bite me. A lot. |
| 15:05.30 | Cidan | In fact, I have bites all over my chest. She drew blood. |
| 15:05.42 | Cidan | I |
| 15:05.47 | Cidan | Yeah, a bit crazy. |
| 15:05.54 | Cidan | And _flighty_ |
| 15:06.02 | Lopeppeppy | If crazy is what you're craving, you're fine. *gentle shrug* |
| 15:06.13 | Cidan | I'm not sure, really. |
| 15:06.15 | krka | O_o |
| 15:06.25 | Cidan | Ever since I broke up with my ex of 5 years, I've yet to figure out what I want in a woman. |
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| 15:07.20 | Lopeppeppy | That's fair, Cidan. I have no idea what I want out of dating either. |
| 15:07.29 | krka | free lunch! |
| 15:07.36 | krka | (i know, there's no such thing :( ) |
| 15:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'm just slightly less likely to bite the... hand... that feeds me.... er. Bad analogy, but hey. |
| 15:07.53 | Cidan | xD |
| 15:07.59 | Cidan | I lawl'd, :D |
| 15:08.19 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, yeah. *laugh* |
| 15:09.21 | krka | bad analogy, worse visualization |
| 15:11.19 | Aelobin | Xinhuan: i'm optimising it afterall :P |
| 15:11.46 | krka | always optimize first! |
| 15:13.58 | zenzio | krka: sorry, I optimized away your statement |
| 15:14.13 | krka | my statements are never NOP equivalent! |
| 15:19.46 | Etanol | nop? |
| 15:20.48 | zenzio | nop, no-op; no operation |
| 15:21.27 | zenzio | at least I assume that's what he meant |
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| 15:25.25 | cx | hello, i have a simple question: does anybody know the field for a dropdown menu item that makes it possible to grey it out? |
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| 15:28.36 | mikma | adys: hiya mate, you here? need your cool code again :) |
| 15:31.48 | Xinhuan | .disabled = 1? |
| 15:32.07 | krka | zenzio: valid assumption! |
| 15:32.07 | AckisWork | mikma: while (1) { fork(); } |
| 15:32.29 | Xinhuan | while (2) { pitchfork(ackis); } |
| 15:32.42 | cx | Xinhuan: nice thanks that works |
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| 15:44.35 | |Jelly| | I wonder how long my vacation will be. |
| 15:45.20 | Lopeppeppy | What kind of a one? |
| 15:45.52 | |Jelly| | Like I told some guy to eat a dick on the forums and I'm sure he's going to report it. |
| 15:46.30 | Lopeppeppy | Um.... have you had this type of vacation before? |
| 15:46.47 | |Jelly| | over a year ago |
| 15:46.49 | |Jelly| | give or take |
| 15:47.03 | AckisWork | |Jelly|: mmmm dick om nom nom nom |
| 15:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | .... maybe a week? Depends on how generous people are feeling right now. |
| 15:47.33 | |Jelly| | Ackis is crashing RL! ZOMG! |
| 15:47.36 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: can you get me the forum QQ e-mail pls? :) still can't view forumz at all :( |
| 15:48.11 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I can't find the forum qq email myself. I found it on Thursday to send in my own, and lost it again. I filled out the webform though. |
| 15:48.18 | AckisWork | ahh ok |
| 15:48.23 | |Jelly| | Well, there are guys on my server forums that posted CP and were gone for a week. I don't imagine telling someone to eat a cock is much worse than that. |
| 15:48.26 | AckisWork | i thought you coudln't see it just because they were down |
| 15:48.43 | Lopeppeppy | I can see them now, although I do often get the server error message today. |
| 15:48.49 | AckisWork | |Jelly|: I got a perm ban for lemonparty :P and for logging into a second account to post when the first was suspended |
| 15:49.01 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 15:49.45 | |Jelly| | Hmm. Just noticed a blue in here. /innocentsmile |
| 15:49.57 | durcyn | he's harmless. |
| 15:49.59 | AckisWork | |Jelly|: zomg spy! |
| 15:50.09 | AckisWork | durcyn: no, he bites when you try to feed him sometimes :P |
| 15:50.24 | Etanol | dont feed the hand that bites you |
| 15:50.26 | Etanol | wait |
| 15:50.26 | durcyn | was that a poor attempt at a gnome joke, Ackis? |
| 15:50.57 | AckisWork | durcyn: nevar! |
| 15:51.09 | durcyn | good. i wouldn't want to have to take your kneecaps. |
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| 15:53.21 | Lopeppeppy | Akcis, have you "Hm. Those of you who are unable to post may want to try clearing your browser's cache, cookies and temporary Internet files. Additionally, you may want to try using a different browser altogether. " |
| 15:54.04 | AckisWork | ty Lpoeppeppy |
| 15:54.07 | AckisWork | ;) |
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| 15:54.53 | |Jelly| | That's what I have to do like once a week. |
| 15:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, most often on my work machine. |
| 15:57.34 | AckisWork | one thing soe does better than blizz are the forums |
| 15:58.52 | Fisker- | hey AckisWork |
| 15:58.57 | Fisker- | smack me up |
| 15:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | ~whalenuke Fisker- |
| 15:59.28 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker- with his mind powers. |
| 15:59.28 | Fisker- | damn |
| 15:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | Purl seems to be on vacation. |
| 15:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | Or just slow. |
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| 16:14.11 | Aelobin | Lopeppeppyyyyyyy |
| 16:14.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yeeeeee? |
| 16:14.26 | Aelobin | nothing ^_^ just love your name |
| 16:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks. *blush* |
| 16:16.09 | Aelobin | hmm i have a function that does an incrementing number of "_" for every time it finds something |
| 16:16.24 | Aelobin | so i can't see a way of getting the biggest number of "_" first |
| 16:16.35 | Aelobin | as i want to randomise the order of _ whilst it does it |
| 16:16.49 | Aelobin | i bet i made no sense |
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| 16:24.03 | mikma | industrial: surprise buttsecks! |
| 16:24.25 | ronghail | is there a list somewhere of addons that have been taken down since the policy came out? |
| 16:24.41 | ronghail | outfitter, etc |
| 16:24.52 | Anaralx2 | ronghail, I don't believe so. |
| 16:25.33 | Anaralx2 | Outfitter is the only one I know that pulled their addons completely. Everyone else that may do it, I don't think have. |
| 16:25.55 | ronghail | oh ok |
| 16:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | Just go search for your favorite addons, and see if they're still available. *gentle shrug* |
| 16:27.51 | |Jelly| | I can email you a functional Outfitter if you need. (Haven't been keeping up with chat) |
| 16:28.08 | Fisker- | http://techreport.com/r.x/2009q1/xeno_il.jpg <-just give me a reason why you would do that |
| 16:28.44 | durcyn | Fisker-: to piss you off |
| 16:29.07 | Fisker- | mission accomplished |
| 16:29.50 | AckisWork | wow htat looks so cool I want one |
| 16:29.58 | |Jelly| | I want three! |
| 16:30.07 | Fisker- | i want to physically harm you AckisWork |
| 16:34.53 | ronghail | thanks, I was just curious about how big that list is getting |
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| 16:38.01 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: nope, I was totally asleep by then |
| 16:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
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| 16:39.25 | AckisWork | wow I wished I got a good morning ackis-dear :( |
| 16:39.47 | durcyn | that would presume that you're dear to her. |
| 16:39.51 | durcyn | i submit that you might not be. |
| 16:39.52 | AckisWork | touche |
| 16:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | Owies. |
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| 16:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | However, Lunessa is quite dear to me, so he does rate a bit of extra lurv. |
| 16:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | But I did rawr back when you woke up. |
| 16:42.57 | Lunessa | cog|work: I have to unplug once in a while. Otherwise, I won't make it to 40. |
| 16:43.14 | Lunessa | And that's AGE 40, not LEVEL for you hopelessly addicted. |
| 16:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, I so have leveling on the brain that I did go to "level" 40. |
| 16:43.58 | AckisWork | Lunessa: 40... wow... should I call you mister? |
| 16:44.16 | Lopeppeppy | ... I need brain bleach |
| 16:44.24 | Lunessa | AckisWork: 40 is still a year away. 39 is next month. |
| 16:44.54 | AckisWork | Lunessa: my brother turns 40 in april |
| 16:45.10 | durcyn | lots of people turn 40 in april |
| 16:45.18 | durcyn | oh, you didn't have a point |
| 16:45.36 | Lunessa | But my blood-pressure and irritation factor are pretty high right now. I'm trying to maintain some semblance of zen - ergo I unplug my client daily and I occasionally do things like go to a movie. |
| 16:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | Movies are goooood. |
| 16:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | I'll probably see one this weekend, I'm rather hoping something good comes out on Thursday/Friday. |
| 16:48.16 | Lunessa | I saw Duplicity on Saturday night after work. |
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| 16:49.14 | Lunessa | I'm pretty much done doing free tech support on the UI & Macros forum too. |
| 16:49.22 | Etanol | http://fukung.net/v/9428/et6ump.gif |
| 16:49.56 | Etanol | "I might have to contact my lawyer.." |
| 16:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | What's Duplicity? Horror, action, drama, sci fi... ? |
| 16:50.06 | cog|work | firefox's user agent style sheet needs a p:first-child {margin-top: 0;} imo |
| 16:50.36 | Lunessa | Etanol: LOL |
| 16:50.54 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Espionage - but really it's a cutsie chick-flick |
| 16:51.44 | Lopeppeppy | Harumph. Dunno about chick flicks, I mostly avoid them on the principle that my brain enjoys **plot** |
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| 16:54.16 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: This one has a fun story. |
| 16:54.30 | Lunessa | But it's really the romance more than the espionage. |
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| 16:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Away: Esamynn DESTROYED the planet Gnomeregan! |
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| 16:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Away: DIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE |
| 16:55.40 | Kraps | whats the honor cap? |
| 16:55.57 | Lopeppeppy | eeew, romance. No thanks! |
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| 16:57.05 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, I'm not seeing Julia Roberts as a woman to go all gaga over either. But she does keep playing that role... /sigh |
| 16:57.23 | durcyn | julia roberts would be attractive if she gained 30 pounds |
| 16:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yeep, Julia Roberts is enough reason for me to stay away, she's an alien. She's... Audrey Hepburn, without ANY of the cool factor or appeal. |
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| 16:59.31 | AckisWork | there's that nick cage movie out |
| 17:00.21 | durcyn | what, the one with the leetspeak title |
| 17:00.36 | Lopeppeppy | that's not the first "numbers mystery" thing he's pulled. Interesting. |
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| 17:05.48 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8464917531&sid=1#5 <-omg :( |
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| 17:06.56 | Lopeppeppy | Well, he **asked** for it! |
| 17:07.29 | Kaso | 7 year old? woah |
| 17:07.52 | Kaso | Is it scary that that 7 year old types better than alot of the teenagers on wow forums? |
| 17:09.13 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
| 17:09.40 | AckisWork | Adys: you place tcg right? |
| 17:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Even more scary, it's usually adults who say, "treat me like I'm a child, I don't understand this". Teenagers aren't secure enough usually, to say such a thing. |
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| 17:19.17 | Aelobin | http://pastey.net/110790 would that works the same as k,v in pairs(tbl) but return a string indexed table in a random order per each iteration? |
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| 17:19.54 | Aelobin | (not too sure on creating custom iterator functions) |
| 17:20.40 | Aelobin | obviously i'd input the number too :P |
| 17:21.09 | Gnarfoz | <Kraps> whats the honor cap? <-- 75k |
| 17:22.03 | Kraps | thats what i heard, and surprisingly i'm close to that |
| 17:22.19 | Kraps | gotta buy stuff |
| 17:25.23 | mikma | http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/ |
| 17:27.34 | Fisker- | ooooooold |
| 17:27.45 | NeoTron | he doesn't say he IS 7, just to talk to him like he is |
| 17:28.17 | Fisker- | oh NeoTron :( |
| 17:28.33 | Fisker- | i wouldn't say it differently to a 7 year old |
| 17:28.34 | Fisker- | :P |
| 17:28.55 | durcyn | any 7-year old that doesn't run away from Fisker- screaming gets what he deserves |
| 17:29.42 | Fisker- | that's what i told the judge |
| 17:33.32 | Lunessa | alestane: Well written. You've summed up in your post many of the issues I've been thinking about. |
| 17:33.54 | Lunessa | Fisker-: You didn't go with the magic frog defense? |
| 17:34.41 | alestane | I tried. I really wanted some kind of explanation out there for why, even though your addons are your property, Blizzard can insist you involve them in the sale of them. It may be BS, but at least someone tried. |
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| 17:36.30 | Lunessa | alestane: No, you did a rational thing. You summed up nicely many of my conflicting thoughts on the topic. And I'm still pretty conflicted. |
| 17:36.46 | Lunessa | But at least your post was a pretty good summation of my own thoughts. |
| 17:36.57 | alestane | Lunessa: Thank you, I place a lot of value on your opinion. |
| 17:38.11 | Lunessa | Surprising, but flattering. 'cause like Zaphod, I'm just this guy, you know? |
| 17:39.24 | alestane | You're a person who not only *can* actually think, but *does*. I couldn't stand anymore of the posts full of legal assertions from people who can't even capitalize or punctuate. |
| 17:39.53 | Dagmar | "OMG Blizzard is requiring all authors to live on welfare! They r steelin mai rites!" |
| 17:40.12 | Dagmar | Those people should be recycled as tomato fertilizer |
| 17:40.17 | Anaralx2 | lol |
| 17:40.22 | Anaralx2 | Agreed Dagmar |
| 17:40.50 | kamdis | alestane: it's a good post |
| 17:40.55 | alestane | http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090323 Pure win. |
| 17:41.29 | alestane | kamdis: That's great to hear from the only lawyer I know in this community. |
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| 17:43.16 | Dagmar | As soon as the boss clears out I'm going to put up a mockup screenshot that should shut up at least some of the people acting like it was beyond reasonable to even try banning ads |
| 17:43.25 | Lunessa | alestane: There's something to be said for that last panel. |
| 17:43.39 | alestane | That's the win, less. |
| 17:43.42 | alestane | yes* |
| 17:44.04 | Lunessa | After all, there are a lot of people out there who think I'm an idiot. ;) |
| 17:44.43 | Dagmar | Probably arises from a deranged idea of egalitarianism |
| 17:44.45 | AckisWork | alestane: which poste? |
| 17:44.49 | AckisWork | Lunessa: think? I thought you were |
| 17:44.53 | Dagmar | "I'm a complete moron, so everyone else must be one too!" |
| 17:45.07 | alestane | AckisWork: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864298666&sid=1 |
| 17:45.33 | Kraps | why is savage gear more expensive than hateful? |
| 17:45.51 | Lopeppeppy | Is it up a tier? |
| 17:45.53 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Please to be opening your mail. The strontium 90 I have sent you ought to at least cause hair loss and impotence. Be havingk nize day, yeh? |
| 17:46.02 | Kraps | hateful is better. and purple |
| 17:46.13 | Kraps | from what i see |
| 17:47.33 | Kraps | except that hateful gear at the vendor has no set bonus... |
| 17:48.00 | Fisker- | not fair |
| 17:48.02 | Kraps | i dont get it |
| 17:48.07 | Fisker- | as soon as i enter storm peaks i get camped hard |
| 17:48.16 | Fisker- | i'm just a lonely paladin trying to do achievements :( |
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| 17:50.35 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/89038308 |
| 17:50.39 | Adys | mikma: what ya need? |
| 17:51.19 | mikma | adys: well, nothing anymore actually :) was kinda hoping to see lists of all possible enchanting -materials, but scratched that idea |
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| 17:52.11 | AckisWork | Adys: you play the wow tcg right? |
| 17:52.16 | Adys | nop |
| 17:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: that is one of the few well thought out analogies that I've ever read on the boards |
| 17:53.35 | Anaralx2 | Hmm, whoever stickied Cairenn's post either hasn't read the comments, or agrees the policy also needs changing. Heh. |
| 17:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaralx2: or is giving people a place to vent |
| 17:53.57 | Adys | which post? |
| 17:54.08 | Anaralx2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1 |
| 17:54.51 | Dagmar | Anaralx2: Ther'es also that about 1 in 15 of the responses is actaully not insane |
| 17:54.53 | Anaralx2 | ScytheBlade1: Possibly. I could see them sticking it to hope that people don't spam with hand waving freakoutery posts. |
| 17:55.41 | Anaralx2 | Dagmar: Yeah, unfortunately negative outweighs the constructive and constructive gets lost in the much. |
| 17:55.46 | Lopeppeppy | They don't generally edit, if the post itself is worth stickies, it gets it. |
| 17:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaralx2: or is it simple an important topic posted by an important community member that needs to be stuck |
| 17:55.54 | alestane | Yeah, it's actually much better to try and keep all the manure in one place as much as possible. There was a similar issue on the PTR forum when they proposed the changes to Life Tap, that got extended something like five times to over 2500 posts. |
| 17:56.15 | AckisWork | alestane: good post, I think one issue you missed (having just skimmed it since I'm lazy) is the whole (for lack of a better word) "slap in the face to authors" which I think is causing more issues than anything else |
| 17:56.51 | Anaralx2 | Scythe I don't know when it got stickied, but it was sometime after Saturday afternoon. |
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| 17:57.30 | alestane | AckisWork: If I could think of a way that Blizzard could have launched the policy more gently, I might discuss it. But sometimes there's no easy way to broach rough news. |
| 17:57.45 | |Jelly| | Anyone know of an addon that's a better GUI for the guild frame? |
| 17:58.24 | Lopeppeppy | The "slap" is perception, and not something anyone can solve, Ackis. *hug* |
| 17:58.31 | Dagmar | Anaralx2: Well, personally I think Blizz has enough players that there should just be a "three strikes and we tell everyone where you live" policy |
| 17:59.15 | Anaralx2 | lol |
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| 18:00.06 | AckisWork | alestane: I think they could've discussed it first/heads up/etc |
| 18:00.17 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: two comments. I'd debate that there is still quite a bit of discerning room between a donation panel and gold spam. One the user "inflicted" upon themselves, and at any point in time has the full rights to remove that aspect of their in-game experience at the push of a button. Gold spam is intrusive, definitely not opt-in, no opt-out, and the user has no say in the matter period. |
| 18:00.23 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I know, but the saying is "perception is reality" |
| 18:00.46 | AckisWork | alestane: also a 5th option to deal with the situation is to remove your addons and not let anyone use them (not saying it's a good idea :P) |
| 18:01.05 | Fisker- | AckisWork = HURRDURR |
| 18:01.22 | AckisWork | Fisker-: please get hit by bus, kthx |
| 18:01.26 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: two, while you touch it, I'd still like to at least *think* that the rules can at least be reworded in terms of the donation clause into much saner terms, for both the authors and the users, while still providing the distinction. |
| 18:02.10 | Dagmar | I think whatever distinction they make is going to get danced around with legal sophistry, but that they could still get away with allowing minimal "ads" |
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| 18:02.30 | Dagmar | ...by being very, very specific about what's allowed as an "ad" |
| 18:02.30 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I agree that differences can be described, but it would be a significant challenge to formulate a policy that clearly discriminated allowable ads from inexcusable ones, and making that distinction would provide very little visible benefit for Blizzard. |
| 18:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: (I'd post on the board but my account has been dead since before this started, and my wallet currently has $4.50 in it) |
| 18:03.12 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: ask for donations in game? :P |
| 18:03.18 | schnoggo | I'm confused. Why are people freaking out? This only effects "paid" addons, which I personally don't use. Asking for donations on your site is still allowed (they have no legal claim on that anyway). Gets rid of "closed" and paid junk. Sounds good to me. |
| 18:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | Not everyone agrees with that, schnoggo, hence the debate. |
| 18:04.26 | schnoggo | (Although "slow frame rates." seems a bit extreme) |
| 18:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: perhaps, but most of the problems that come with that are in terms of nit-picking users who try to find every hole in the policy... which is why the VAST majority of Blizzard policy is meant to be interpreted in the spirit of the rule. They wouldn't have to be precise, but simply vague enough to give the smackdown to addons which are deemed intrusive enough to the gameplay experience |
| 18:04.48 | schnoggo | That's why I asked "why?" |
| 18:05.32 | AckisWork | alestane: on a side note, here's my response to them: http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/#w_important-notice even though my stuff complies with them I think :P |
| 18:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | schnoggo, darlin', read up on the forums. We've debated it so soundly in here all weekend, it gives me a headache to think about. But in general, because they WANT in game solicitation. |
| 18:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: picking a random example, while their RP naming policy is rather precise, it is still considered on a case by case basis and interpreted according to the spirit of the rule where circumstance dictates, not the letter of the rule |
| 18:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: (and sorry for bombarding you) |
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| 18:08.38 | Anaralx2 | I'm only on page two of four of this thread (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864848805&sid=1&pageNo=2) but wow... people are adamently defending WoWMatrix based on bull. |
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| 18:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: (but, admittedly, in-game RP naming is not related to real-life transactions of wealth) |
| 18:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | Anaralx2, I find that internet rules lawyering is a great way to get heartburn. |
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| 18:14.29 | Anaralx2 | Lopeppeppy: I'm not lawyering. I'm just amazed at how ignorant people are. First they're ignorant of the truth, second they're ignorant of the difference between a fact and an opinion. |
| 18:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't mean to say *you* were, Anaralx2. Just that reading those threads gives me heartburn. |
| 18:15.49 | schnoggo | heh. In the interwebs fact, opinion, and troll food are all interchangeable :) |
| 18:16.57 | Anaralx2 | schnoggo: a true and sad opinion. |
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| 18:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | And all taste like crap. |
| 18:17.29 | kd3 | anyone have Cairenn's post on wowmatrix? |
| 18:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | let me see, kd3 |
| 18:18.16 | alestane | Question: Can any WoW add-ons actually run unmodified on Warhammer Online? |
| 18:18.46 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:18.48 | MentalPower | no |
| 18:19.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd imagine that the event system is somewhat different |
| 18:19.05 | Lopeppeppy | I find this, kd3. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18358&highlight=wowmatrix |
| 18:19.06 | MentalPower | afaik, none of the APIs match |
| 18:19.25 | Lopeppeppy | Her post didn't have Wowmatrix listed specifically, so it's hard to search. |
| 18:19.53 | nevcairiel | Look at Runes Of Magic, the APIs and events are very very similar (its like a carbon copy of WoW 1.x, Lua wise) |
| 18:20.49 | alestane | Because most of my argument is predicated on the assumption that add-ons written for WoW don't usefully work anywhere else. |
| 18:21.04 | nevcairiel | Thats a safe assumption, imho |
| 18:21.05 | Lopeppeppy | They *could* as I understand... ish ish ish. |
| 18:21.09 | Arrowmaster | depends on the addon |
| 18:21.30 | nevcairiel | You could write some very basic low level library of sorts that only does Lua stuff, nothing WoW related |
| 18:21.32 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 18:21.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ish. *nod* |
| 18:21.45 | Lopeppeppy | most addons are written directly for WoW, not to be cross-platform. |
| 18:22.05 | kamdis | Does anyone have a link to Kaelten's big post in that somewhat older WoWmatrix thread? |
| 18:22.10 | kamdis | Search is not working. |
| 18:22.15 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18358 |
| 18:22.20 | Arrowmaster | that the thread? |
| 18:22.37 | kamdis | No, the UI & Macros forum thread. |
| 18:22.42 | kamdis | thank you though. :) |
| 18:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ah hah, her original post. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=89833&postcount=9 |
| 18:23.13 | Lopeppeppy | kamdis, I can't search the bliz forums to save my life, not even for my own posts, by poster name. Sorry! |
| 18:23.28 | kamdis | Same here. :( |
| 18:23.29 | Arrowmaster | i pulled the link from http://hg.curseforge.net/www/curseforge-repo-hooks/mainline/file/fa4a5094ed5b/helpers/hooksettings.py |
| 18:23.39 | Lopeppeppy | I had one bookmarked, but it's been deleted since then. |
| 18:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | As in, the bookmark goes to a deleted thread. |
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| 18:25.00 | nevcairiel | Why do i get this sudden urge for funnel cake... |
| 18:26.05 | alestane | "Perhaps I will try tomorrow, right now I have to go get drunk with the most talented people on the internet." |
| 18:28.05 | Lunessa | ... Wait, why wasn't I invited to get get drunk? |
| 18:28.13 | alestane | I don't have to get drunk, but I do need to pass out. Got five hours of sleep last night. |
| 18:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: it's in the mail |
| 18:28.28 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10871018107&sid=1&pageNo=23#445 |
| 18:28.29 | kd3 | found it! |
| 18:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, take a nap. |
| 18:28.35 | Lunessa | Oh, the post office. *shakes fist* |
| 18:28.41 | alestane | Lunessa: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1365 rant at the botttom. |
| 18:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, you are made of awesome. |
| 18:30.03 | Lunessa | alestane: I remember mine, but like the person in the comic, I never share them. :P |
| 18:31.12 | alestane | Lunch and nap time. |
| 18:31.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well. |
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| 18:31.35 | Anaralx2 | I love this. Apparently Curse pays us for our addons. |
| 18:31.48 | nevcairiel | They will in the future, yea |
| 18:32.11 | Anaralx2 | Even the rewards program is going to be more like a token, trade x for y. Unless I'm mistaken? |
| 18:32.47 | nevcairiel | You get amazon gift cards |
| 18:32.52 | nevcairiel | can buy anything from amazon |
| 18:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nearly literally everything. |
| 18:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | They sell ice cream, for cat's sake. |
| 18:33.17 | Dagmar | But they don't sell cat cream. |
| 18:33.27 | nevcairiel | ice cream on amazon? delivery? |
| 18:33.28 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 18:33.29 | Dagmar | ...or children. |
| 18:33.37 | Lopeppeppy | Selling children is illega. |
| 18:33.37 | Dagmar | ...or munitions. |
| 18:33.43 | Dagmar | Maybe in YOUR country |
| 18:33.55 | Lopeppeppy | You know, it's really hard to keep my chipper Peppy attitude sometimes. |
| 18:33.58 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You can't buy politicians or drugs there yet either. Gotta go to ebay for those. |
| 18:34.03 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8464967956&postId=84639567304&sid=1#1 <-bawwww if only account security was the users responsibillity, oh wai... |
| 18:34.19 | kamdis | kd3, just saw you found it first. |
| 18:34.20 | kamdis | heh |
| 18:34.20 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah I was going to say for politicians you go to eBay : |
| 18:34.21 | Dagmar | ) |
| 18:34.22 | kamdis | <3 |
| 18:34.32 | Lopeppeppy | Hence: I adore you all. Please remember the excellent advice of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to one another." Ta. |
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| 18:34.46 | |Jelly| | <3Peppy |
| 18:35.02 | Lunessa | There's so much love in our community. FLOWER POWER! |
| 18:35.03 | tsukukinsei | is there anyway to make a timer without a function? |
| 18:35.15 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 18:35.35 | tsukukinsei | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.57 | jnwhiteh | its trivial to do and there is a section in the book that talks about it.. and plenty of data on the wiki |
| 18:38.41 | AckisWork | i'm going through more hoops for my missing cat than I did to get my mortgage |
| 18:45.02 | Anaralx2 | Why does wowwiki have a link to WoWMatrix on their list of Updaters? I mean, I know it is one, but would figure WoWwiki wouldn't support it. |
| 18:45.16 | kd3 | ack, we do? |
| 18:46.31 | Lunessa | the power of a wiki is that everyone can edit it. the problem with a wiki is that everyone can edit it. |
| 18:47.11 | Vangual | powerful wikis are a strong problem? |
| 18:47.18 | kd3 | Anaralx2, where at? |
| 18:47.32 | Anaralx2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn |
| 18:47.37 | kd3 | ah, got it. thanks |
| 18:47.41 | Anaralx2 | bottom of the page |
| 18:48.58 | Anaralx2 | While I have no fears of editing spell/grammar and broken links on wikis I've been yelled at by more than one wiki 'god' about editing specific content. |
| 18:49.30 | Dagmar | If WowMatrix doesn't like it, then maybe they should stop stealing bandwidth |
| 18:49.55 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864747207&sid=1&pageNo=51#1018 |
| 18:49.56 | kd3 | whee |
| 18:50.36 | Shirik | does wiki have a "blame" command? |
| 18:50.42 | Anaralx2 | Heck I'm amazed the CurseClient isn't posted, now that it's in final beta-release |
| 18:50.49 | kd3 | so fix it |
| 18:50.53 | Anaralx2 | lol |
| 18:50.55 | kd3 | Shirik, nope |
| 18:51.04 | AckisWork | http://www.petlynx.net/PetLynx/view_my_lost_report.action?reportId=36810 |
| 18:51.54 | Anaralx2 | Will do. Again, don't want some geek with an superiority complex, like Shirik, yelling at me because I added something. ;) |
| 18:52.06 | Anaralx2 | I kid. |
| 18:52.11 | Shirik | :( |
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| 18:56.15 | Anaralx2 | You know I don't mean it. ;) |
| 18:56.33 | Dagmar | I know a way to avoid getting yelled at by wiki admins. |
| 18:56.46 | Dagmar | Be sure and mention Viagra or Phen-phen or something like that in your edit. |
| 18:56.58 | kd3 | if there's an edit you're worried about, bring it up on the talk page first |
| 18:57.05 | kd3 | most of the time we don't care, otherwise |
| 18:57.47 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_bold_in_editing_articles |
| 18:58.11 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:58.15 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:BOLD |
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| 19:00.08 | Xinhuan | its been one working day... no response from blizz yet :( |
| 19:00.11 | Anaralx2 | kd3 Thanks. Yeah. |
| 19:00.25 | Anaralx2 | It's only lunchtime in CA |
| 19:00.36 | Anaralx2 | Give them another 2-3 hours. |
| 19:02.19 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: its not been a full day yet =P |
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| 19:02.41 | nevcairiel | Besides, a proper formulated response needs time |
| 19:03.37 | Xinhuan | i'm referring to a somewhat less formal one like "our legal team is working out a response, please be patient" |
| 19:03.58 | Xinhuan | you'd think 3 days of silence so far is bad |
| 19:04.32 | jnwhiteh | cause of course they should be tryign to speak for the company on the weekend |
| 19:04.36 | jnwhiteh | that's just unreasonable and you know it = |
| 19:05.46 | zenzelezz | I'd be willing to say they released the new policy when they did so people would have a little while to cool off before they went to work on the feedback |
| 19:06.19 | Xinhuan | jnwhiteh: except people like ghostcrawler posts everyday, including weekends ~_~ |
| 19:07.01 | jnwhiteh | and GC is not on the legal team, and probably had little (if anything) to do with this policy. |
| 19:07.09 | zenzelezz | Xinhuan: about issues he can talk about. I'm guessing he, like most people, wouldn't want to go talking before he had checked with the team |
| 19:07.29 | Xinhuan | i dont' know |
| 19:07.38 | Xinhuan | i just think its POLITE to even get a ackowledgement |
| 19:07.38 | Codayus | It's a lot easier to make off the cuff comments as a dev, yeah. |
| 19:07.49 | jnwhiteh | Would it be nice, sure |
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| 19:08.16 | Fisker- | watch out it's Tekkub |
| 19:08.21 | Anaralx2 | It is polite, but I think it's more likely that we won't get a response from Blizz until tomorrow or later |
| 19:08.22 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: you do read the other forums, right? Such a short acknowledgment usually spawns more evil then the silence before |
| 19:08.26 | Codayus | Although I think Bliz probably should make more effort to communicate on weekends. They're big enough, and their fan base is more active on weekends - it'd make sense. ...but no, they don't, and probably won't start either. |
| 19:08.44 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: yep, almost without fail |
| 19:08.54 | jnwhiteh | They communicate more than anyone in this channel deserves |
| 19:09.00 | Fisker- | they're on a boat Codayus |
| 19:09.02 | jnwhiteh | or any subscriber of their game deserves |
| 19:09.04 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, you understnd the UI forums are far more mature than the other forums right? |
| 19:09.14 | jnwhiteh | its their game, the fact that we're involved even remotely in the conversation is far and above what they owe us |
| 19:09.15 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: not in the last 4 days they arent |
| 19:11.37 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: It's still not saying much. The other forums set a very low lower bounds. |
| 19:12.21 | Dagmar | Codayus: Not even the building being on fire will generally get legal teams to work on weekends. |
| 19:18.31 | Shadowed | Having a duhh moment, what are the "\###" called again in Lua that people use for localization sometimes |
| 19:18.47 | Dagmar | Octal? |
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| 19:19.02 | krka | it's decimal in lua |
| 19:19.46 | Shadowed | Quick way to go from that -> text without printing it out? |
| 19:19.50 | Shadowed | before I start googling |
| 19:20.05 | Dagmar | Knowing your charset tables |
| 19:20.12 | Codayus | Dagmar: Heh, true. But if Bliz wanted 24/7 legal advice they could get it. Money motivates almost everyone, and lawyers more than most. :-) |
| 19:20.36 | Dagmar | Codayus: Yeah, but demanding their legal people be available 24/7 would cost more money |
| 19:20.52 | jnwhiteh | and they have no need to do that |
| 19:21.04 | jnwhiteh | they're the ones who posted the policy, after all |
| 19:21.10 | Codayus | Yep |
| 19:21.20 | Cidan | Blizzard already has 24/7 legal advice. |
| 19:21.28 | Cidan | I'm not sure what the hell you're smoking if you think otherwise. |
| 19:21.32 | jnwhiteh | and they dont owe you any of it |
| 19:21.36 | jnwhiteh | is my point |
| 19:21.38 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:21.57 | Dagmar | Cidan: I'm thinking that I've been working in offices that have legal teams for a decade |
| 19:22.24 | Cidan | Okay? |
| 19:22.56 | Dagmar | I've never seen any place where you could reasonably expect to get legal to do a damn thing over the weekend other than say "We're working on it and will get back to you on Monday" |
| 19:23.29 | Cidan | Uhm, we did. |
| 19:23.34 | Cidan | At the law firm I worked at. |
| 19:23.45 | Dagmar | There is no reasonable expectation that if this isn't wasn't solved over the weekend that money would be lost. |
| 19:23.58 | Dagmar | Cidan: I bet your law firm was smaller than my accounting firm. |
| 19:24.10 | Xinhuan | heh alestine used my addon in his post |
| 19:24.42 | Cidan | I'm not going to get into a epeen contest on IRC, so, that's that. |
| 19:24.49 | Cidan | In other news, ow. |
| 19:24.50 | kamdis | Dagmar, that's just not true. I am in a corporate legal department and I'm damn well expected to work whenever someone needs something, weekend or vacation or anything notwithstanding. |
| 19:25.10 | cog|work | kamdis: <3! |
| 19:25.21 | Dagmar | At least I'm not accusing people of "smoking something" because their opinion differs from mine |
| 19:25.42 | Cidan | At least my name isn't Ramgad backwards. |
| 19:25.43 | Cidan | Christ. |
| 19:25.57 | Dagmar | I'm not trying to make fun of people's names, either. |
| 19:26.05 | kamdis | hai cog |
| 19:26.11 | Cidan | You're also much too serious, chill out my man. |
| 19:26.59 | Dagmar | I'm quite calm actually. Patient, even. |
| 19:27.04 | Cidan | Neat |
| 19:27.13 | Cidan | So where did you get the name Dagmar from? |
| 19:27.16 | Dagmar | I do wanna smack a lot of these forum users tho |
| 19:27.25 | Dagmar | Pulled it out of my butt, figuratively speaking. |
| 19:27.29 | kamdis | Change of topic: Does anyone know if the crit effects on Mirror of Truth and Anvil of the Titans stack? I would think not, but I can't tell definitively on thottbot, etc. |
| 19:27.38 | Cidan | kamdis: Not a clue |
| 19:27.57 | Shadowed | They're AP not crit kamdis |
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| 19:28.06 | Shadowed | They don't, but they don't share a ICD |
| 19:28.08 | Dagmar | In the stone age when 300 "baud" was king, I was on about eight different BBSes (think forums without icons) with different psuedonyms on each, which makes it problematic to be contacted |
| 19:28.15 | Dagmar | So I just made up one to use everywhere. |
| 19:28.26 | Cidan | mm |
| 19:28.29 | Cidan | Which BBSes? |
| 19:28.36 | Shadowed | and the buff name is the same, so you can have MoT up for 5 seconds, then AotT procs and it replaces the MoT buff giving you 15 seconds of 1000 AP |
| 19:28.41 | kamdis | Right, thanks Shadowed. |
| 19:28.53 | kamdis | so they can refresh each other, in a way. |
| 19:29.00 | Shadowed | pretty much |
| 19:29.05 | kamdis | perfect |
| 19:29.08 | kamdis | thank you |
| 19:29.09 | Dagmar | Blue Moon, Power Station, Raffi's Hideout, Brother to Dragons, buncha others I can't remember |
| 19:29.31 | Dagmar | Some were Fido, most C-Net, a few Apple/Waffle systems and one or two Atari BBSes |
| 19:30.03 | Cidan | Very nice |
| 19:30.12 | Cidan | Fido always amused me |
| 19:30.16 | Dagmar | They were ancient and crude |
| 19:30.24 | Dagmar | Fido astounded me in that it didn't just fall over |
| 19:30.39 | Cidan | Indeed; as I understand it, there are still a few going on |
| 19:30.47 | Dagmar | Admins around Nashville learned to not challenge me to crash their BBS. |
| 19:30.53 | Cidan | Hah, xD |
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| 19:31.19 | Dagmar | I had a tendency to break them by accident on completely normal days |
| 19:33.53 | Arrowmaster | lol did i start something else in that wowmatrix thread? |
| 19:34.03 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 19:34.20 | Dagmar | The pointy-headed forum users are all awake and looking in that forum now, so... it was just a matter of time |
| 19:34.27 | Arrowmaster | should i give that guy a list of everything ive worked on so he can shit his pants? |
| 19:34.34 | Dagmar | Go for it |
| 19:34.42 | Arrowmaster | too much work =( |
| 19:35.22 | Dagmar | C'mon, it'll give you the opportunity to tell the first person to say "appel to unqwalifies ahtoruity" to learn freaking English |
| 19:36.06 | Dagmar | At any rate, more actually current coders "weighing in" shines light on the false claim that very few people have a problem with what they're doing |
| 19:36.33 | Dagmar | If any of this particular realm _had_ money to sue people, WowMatrix would be already gutted and hung out to dry |
| 19:38.27 | Arrowmaster | "I would but its too much work to find everything on WowAce that I've worked on. But if it helps you can start by deleting everything that uses Ace2, Rock, or SharedMedia." |
| 19:38.31 | Arrowmaster | i know im an ass |
| 19:38.45 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:39.09 | Shirik | Cidan: Sorry I disappeared |
| 19:39.13 | Xinhuan | Assmaster :) |
| 19:39.19 | Cidan | Shirik: It's okay, school > anything, xD |
| 19:40.30 | Aelobin | is there a reverse to "bit.bxor" ? |
| 19:40.39 | Shirik | bit.bxor? |
| 19:40.50 | Shirik | Like, what are you asking |
| 19:41.04 | Shirik | the opposite of an XOR operation is another XOR operation |
| 19:41.22 | Arrowmaster | its like rot13 encryption |
| 19:41.25 | Dagmar | Note that doing it twice in a row may cause the universe to collapse |
| 19:41.36 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 19:41.40 | selckin | you xor first then rot13 everyone knows that |
| 19:41.43 | kamdis | Arrowmaster you last post is hilarious. |
| 19:41.45 | kamdis | OOPS |
| 19:41.46 | Dagmar | ...or people to call your code "stupid" |
| 19:41.57 | kamdis | they didn't know who they were posting to, eh. |
| 19:41.58 | Cidan | kamdis: linky? |
| 19:42.08 | kamdis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864848805&sid=1&pageNo=6 |
| 19:42.15 | Dagmar | Aslobin: Look up what that operation does and look at it carefully. |
| 19:42.22 | kamdis | bottom of the page, sorry I didn't get a link directly to the post |
| 19:42.38 | Cidan | hm |
| 19:42.52 | Cidan | Why does lua call it bxor? |
| 19:42.58 | Shirik | bit xor |
| 19:43.01 | Xinhuan | bit.xor() |
| 19:43.03 | Aelobin | Dagmar: i don't really understand bit functions :P |
| 19:43.03 | Cidan | but isn't.. |
| 19:43.06 | Cidan | that the point of.. |
| 19:43.08 | Cidan | bit. |
| 19:43.16 | Shirik | Because to be in line with and and or |
| 19:43.17 | Dagmar | Aelobin: AH! That explains it then. They're actually _really_ simple |
| 19:43.20 | Cidan | Aelobin: I really suggest you learn how bitwise operation works |
| 19:43.21 | Dagmar | Bleh work calls. Back shortly |
| 19:43.21 | Shirik | since you can't to bit.and and bit.or |
| 19:43.33 | Shirik | those are keywords |
| 19:43.34 | Cidan | Shirik: Ding, that makes sense. Good call, xD |
| 19:43.35 | AckisWork | I feel like a pimp, I'm trying to stud out my dog |
| 19:43.45 | Xinhuan | TMI |
| 19:44.05 | Shirik | That being said |
| 19:44.07 | Shirik | the bit library is horrible |
| 19:44.09 | foxlit | It's bit.bxor |
| 19:44.16 | Shirik | foxlit: He was asking why |
| 19:44.17 | foxlit | (mainly because "or" is a reserved keyword |
| 19:44.24 | Shirik | slow foxlit is slow |
| 19:44.36 | foxlit | :( |
| 19:44.39 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:44.41 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: how is that TMI? :P dog breeding ftw man... these puppies sell from $600 - $1500 |
| 19:44.59 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 19:45.03 | Shirik | Anyway, the bit library really is horrible. It does these operations in the most inefficient manner possible. |
| 19:45.14 | Shirik | I've wanted to make an x86 implementation of it just haven't had the time |
| 19:45.23 | Cidan | oh |
| 19:45.23 | foxlit | * "not the most efficient manner possible" |
| 19:45.37 | Shirik | ok fine, foxlit |
| 19:45.41 | Shirik | not the most efficient manner |
| 19:45.44 | foxlit | You can do worse -- my pure-lua xor implementation is *worse* |
| 19:45.46 | Shirik | but it's pretty damn close to the most inefficient manner |
| 19:45.59 | Cidan | Shirik: I ended up just doing lua_newtable(vm); then lua_pushstring(...) then lua_settable(...) |
| 19:46.11 | Cidan | Shirik: But I had to do it for every member I wanted in there, :/ |
| 19:46.16 | Shirik | oh god no |
| 19:46.25 | Shirik | well, I don't know what's in there |
| 19:46.27 | Cidan | Shirik: Well, I wrote a macro for it anyway. |
| 19:46.32 | Shirik | but at least for functions, use lua_register |
| 19:46.47 | Shirik | if it's just a structure then yeah |
| 19:46.50 | Cidan | Oh I know, I used pushstring as an example |
| 19:47.03 | Cidan | pushstring, number, etc. |
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| 19:47.26 | Shirik | lua_register can push tons of functions onto a table all at once, and in a nice, easy-to-read manner |
| 19:47.29 | Shirik | I think it's luaL_register though |
| 19:47.55 | Cidan | lua_register registers functions in the global space |
| 19:47.59 | Cidan | It's a macro in lua.h |
| 19:48.07 | cog|work | i want funnel cakes now |
| 19:48.08 | cog|work | :'( |
| 19:48.34 | nevcairiel | I had the same reaction |
| 19:48.42 | Shirik | Cidan: It registers them in the specified table |
| 19:48.48 | Shirik | it CAN be in the global space, but does not have to be |
| 19:48.52 | Cidan | Oh no shit? |
| 19:48.59 | Cidan | I didn't realize that. |
| 19:49.00 | Shirik | oh yes, lua_register does what you said |
| 19:49.03 | Shirik | I meant luaL_register |
| 19:49.04 | Cidan | Oh |
| 19:49.07 | Cidan | lol |
| 19:50.36 | |Jelly| | *just reading the threat kam linked* Lulz. Arrowmaster wins 5 internets |
| 19:51.20 | Arrowmaster | and i just replyed again |
| 19:51.22 | Cidan | Yeah |
| 19:51.25 | Cidan | This is amazing |
| 19:51.58 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster A+ |
| 19:52.37 | Arrowmaster | see im not a hostile person by nature |
| 19:52.41 | Arrowmaster | its my enviroment |
| 19:53.02 | selckin | link? |
| 19:53.03 | Tewan | ugh |
| 19:53.16 | Tewan | stupid protesting |
| 19:53.16 | Tewan | ._. |
| 19:53.24 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: problem? :P |
| 19:53.36 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15864848805&sid=1&pageNo=5 |
| 19:53.44 | Arrowmaster | i came into the thread somewhere around there |
| 19:54.23 | Tewan | Arrowmaster: @ me? |
| 19:54.30 | Tewan | I was referring to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8214-CarboniteQuest.html |
| 19:54.31 | Tewan | :P |
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| 19:55.04 | Arrowmaster | no selckin asked for a link |
| 19:55.48 | mikma | HAHAHA |
| 19:55.53 | mikma | "Disabled by request of the author in protest of Blizzard's new UI Addon Development Policy." |
| 19:56.02 | mikma | comedy value gold |
| 19:56.07 | Shirik | Esamynn: ? |
| 19:56.10 | Tewan | imo, stupid |
| 19:56.15 | Shirik | who are you talking to |
| 19:56.21 | Cidan | No, not stupid. |
| 19:56.22 | mikma | or was it like, disabled because blizzard protests this addon |
| 19:56.23 | mikma | haha |
| 19:56.23 | Arrowmaster | lol protest |
| 19:56.34 | Esamynn | Shirik: ScytheBlade1, silly |
| 19:56.38 | Shirik | mikma: It was requested by the author |
| 19:56.44 | Shirik | Esamynn: He hasn't said anything in... hours |
| 19:56.49 | Esamynn | I know |
| 19:56.52 | Cidan | We've suspended all releases of OpenRDX too, Outfitter is on protest, it's what all the cool kids are doing. |
| 19:56.58 | Esamynn | he said something to me about 3 hours ago |
| 19:57.00 | Cidan | Join us |
| 19:57.02 | Shadowed | where do I sign up to protest |
| 19:57.03 | Cidan | Joooiinn usssssssssssss |
| 19:57.05 | Shadowed | do I get a t-shirt? |
| 19:57.09 | Cidan | Yes, yes you do. |
| 19:57.12 | Shadowed | sweet I'm in |
| 19:57.15 | Shadowed | DOWN WITH BLIZZARD |
| 19:57.17 | mikma | shirik: yes it was, that's what it says, it's still FUNNEH! |
| 19:57.18 | Shadowed | MONEY GRUBBING BASTARDS |
| 19:57.24 | Cidan | STICK IT TO THE MAN |
| 19:57.25 | Shirik | Cidan's old dirty t-shirt |
| 19:57.28 | Shadowed | *fist pump* |
| 19:57.34 | Esamynn | ... |
| 19:57.36 | Arrowmaster | im on protest and not fixing the major bug introduced into ace2 the other day |
| 19:57.39 | Cidan | Well |
| 19:57.41 | Cidan | If you must know |
| 19:57.44 | Shadowed | the donation function being removed Arrowmaster? |
| 19:57.48 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:57.48 | mikma | where do i sign in for the SUPPORT |
| 19:57.52 | Shadowed | why did someone do that |
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| 19:58.06 | Xinhuan | Shadowed, removing the donation function broke backwards compat |
| 19:58.11 | Shadowed | yea |
| 19:58.13 | Cidan | http://conspiracy-ui.com/aj.jpg |
| 19:58.16 | Cidan | That's the shirt you get. |
| 19:58.17 | Shadowed | Why didn't they just make it a blank function... |
| 19:58.22 | Xinhuan | don't know |
| 19:58.23 | Cidan | If you sign up for the protest. |
| 19:58.25 | Shirik | yes! |
| 19:58.27 | Shirik | The flexing pic |
| 19:58.31 | Cidan | <3 Shirik |
| 19:58.38 | Xinhuan | but maybe its part of a conspiracy to break all ace2 addons in protest |
| 19:58.39 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 19:58.39 | Shadowed | Do you get the gatorade too? |
| 19:58.41 | mikma | i want something like: "Enabled by request of the author in support of Blizzard's new UI Addon Development Policy." |
| 19:58.46 | mikma | cairenn: can i has one plx!??! |
| 19:58.51 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:58.52 | Shirik | don't ask me |
| 19:58.52 | Shirik | fine |
| 19:58.53 | Cidan | Well, I threw away that bottle, uh, a few years ago, so, no. |
| 19:59.28 | Shadowed | I'm actually reading some of these arguments for once |
| 19:59.30 | Shadowed | they're all amazingly bad |
| 19:59.54 | Cidan | Shirik: Did you see what Venificus said? |
| 19:59.58 | Cidan | Shirik: When I pasted it in here |
| 20:00.05 | Shirik | No, and to be honest I'm not sure if I care what he has to say |
| 20:00.22 | Cidan | Oh ease up, he's a brilliant man; much more so than either you or I. |
| 20:00.28 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: in the thread i went off on them in? |
| 20:00.31 | Cairenn | mikma: if you want that, add the text to the top of your description ;) |
| 20:00.39 | Shadowed | in general Arrowmaster, but that one is an example yes |
| 20:00.40 | mikma | cairenn: lolo, good idae |
| 20:00.47 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 20:00.52 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: yeah that one was just stupid |
| 20:00.56 | Shadowed | maybe thats what I should do, charge for addons as a "Will not call you stupid for being stupid" fee |
| 20:00.59 | Shirik | Cidan, maybe, but he's also a bit messed up in the head too |
| 20:01.10 | Cidan | How so? |
| 20:01.25 | Cidan | I mean, besides being a womanizer |
| 20:01.34 | mikma | britney spears |
| 20:03.49 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: nice post, it set me up for another good one |
| 20:03.53 | Shadowed | :P |
| 20:03.54 | Cidan | -- Albert Einstein |
| 20:03.59 | Cidan | Love that quote |
| 20:04.25 | krka | yeah, einstein is awesome (no pun intended) |
| 20:04.30 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 20:04.33 | Shadowed | nice Arrowmaster |
| 20:04.37 | Esamynn | ~lart krka |
| 20:04.37 | purl | takes out krka with the trash |
| 20:04.42 | krka | what is lart? |
| 20:04.49 | Esamynn | ~lart |
| 20:04.56 | krka | i have purl on ignore |
| 20:04.59 | Cidan | ~lart Esamynn |
| 20:04.59 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Esamynn until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 20:05.06 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf lart |
| 20:05.09 | Esamynn | krka: what? :( |
| 20:05.48 | Anaralx2 | Who is Tokrim on the wow forums? |
| 20:05.55 | Arrowmaster | me |
| 20:05.56 | Shirik | how can you ignore purl? (no pun intended) |
| 20:06.03 | Esamynn | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:06.03 | purl | gives Shirik an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Shirik to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 20:06.15 | Anaralx2 | ~win Arrowmaster |
| 20:06.15 | purl | Congratulations, Arrowmaster! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 20:06.24 | Arrowmaster | can i return it? |
| 20:06.24 | Shirik | ~lart Esamynn (no pun intended) |
| 20:06.24 | purl | tries to shut Esamynn (no pun intended) up |
| 20:06.26 | krka | Shirik: i just did /ignore purl, it was really easy (no pun intended) to do |
| 20:07.01 | Anaralx2 | ~fail me :( |
| 20:07.01 | purl | me :(, you Fail! |
| 20:07.09 | Anaralx2 | You have your name in your sig |
| 20:07.13 | Anaralx2 | >.< |
| 20:07.27 | Arrowmaster | actually i have more than just my name in my sig |
| 20:07.49 | Arrowmaster | its an XRI address too |
| 20:07.57 | Thunder_Child | your whole life story too |
| 20:08.14 | Anaralx2 | Arrowmaster: All I see is =Arrowmaster |
| 20:08.39 | Arrowmaster | xri://=arrowmaster |
| 20:08.45 | Arrowmaster | same thing |
| 20:10.27 | Anaralx2 | What is xri? |
| 20:10.44 | Arrowmaster | xml thingy |
| 20:11.22 | Arrowmaster | Extensible Resource Identifier |
| 20:13.58 | Shirik | Arrowmaster is extensible? |
| 20:15.13 | Shadowed | no but he's extendable |
| 20:15.38 | Lunessa | ... |
| 20:15.45 | Esamynn | (pun intended) ? :P |
| 20:15.54 | Shadowed | no it just means we can kill him off |
| 20:16.01 | Dagmar | XML Resource Indicator, probably |
| 20:16.08 | Esamynn | Shadowed: wrong word then :P |
| 20:16.10 | Shadowed | yes |
| 20:16.15 | Dagmar | "Truncate" him. |
| 20:16.19 | Shadowed | trying to write an English paper and be fancy with words is hard |
| 20:16.38 | Esamynn | depends on your vocabulary :P |
| 20:17.10 | Shadowed | expendable and extendable are close enough |
| 20:17.20 | Shadowed | I blame the English language! |
| 20:17.54 | Esamynn | Shadowed: really not that close :P |
| 20:18.04 | Shadowed | don't you bring logic into this, this is IRC |
| 20:18.09 | Shadowed | no logic allowed |
| 20:18.22 | Shadowed | it's like Church but with less praying |
| 20:18.24 | Esamynn | I'll bring in as much logic as I bloody well please |
| 20:18.41 | Esamynn | not that I'd expect YOU to recognize it |
| 20:18.52 | Dagmar | LIke an irishman bringing whiskey to a protestant service |
| 20:18.54 | Shadowed | maybe your logic is just really bad! |
| 20:22.35 | Aelobin | http://pastey.net/110797 looking for a function that will produce "str" from an input, which when passed through both functions outputs the same as the input |
| 20:23.19 | Lunessa | Whiskey - the reason the Irish don't rule the world. Pass me a bottle, k? |
| 20:24.33 | Arrowmaster | Aelobin: are you trying to decrypt carbonite? |
| 20:24.48 | Aelobin | nope, but i'm interested in the function they use to encrypt it |
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| 20:24.51 | Shadowed | Why don't you just dump loadstring? |
| 20:25.02 | Aelobin | if i was trying to decrypt it, i'd just use that decryption function :P |
| 20:25.09 | Shadowed | ah :p |
| 20:25.20 | Aelobin | Shadowed: i guess you know what i'm on about ;) |
| 20:25.36 | AckisWork | Updated the TCG crafting spreadsheet if you use it (roflz) http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wowtcgcraftingsheet.aspx |
| 20:26.02 | Aelobin | i have no idea about bitwise/bytes |
| 20:26.03 | Aelobin | :S |
| 20:26.11 | Cidan | Aelobin: learrrnn, xD |
| 20:26.16 | Cidan | It's so important to understand |
| 20:26.16 | Aelobin | xD |
| 20:26.20 | Aelobin | i know :< |
| 20:26.28 | Shadowed | bitwise/bytes are evil |
| 20:26.32 | Cidan | No |
| 20:26.33 | Cidan | They aren't |
| 20:26.36 | Shadowed | Yes! |
| 20:26.47 | Cidan | And learn about stacks |
| 20:27.07 | Cidan | and what push and pop are, how the idea behind LIFO works, etc. |
| 20:27.26 | Shadowed | all I know is if you pull the middle out of a really large stack of things, it all comes tumbling down |
| 20:27.27 | jnwhiteh | so. |
| 20:27.29 | Shadowed | is that close enough to what stacks are?! |
| 20:27.35 | Shadowed | also Lerris responded Arrowmaster |
| 20:27.37 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: How on earth are you claiming to the world's most popular world of warcraft addon? |
| 20:28.01 | Cidan | Oh boy |
| 20:28.03 | Cidan | See |
| 20:28.06 | Cidan | Why'd you have to do that? |
| 20:28.12 | Shadowed | Boredom |
| 20:28.16 | Cidan | Clearly. |
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| 20:29.57 | jnwhiteh | to be fair, you claim to "believe" that it's the world's most popular addon |
| 20:29.57 | jnwhiteh | but I'd love to hear how you even begin to justify that |
| 20:30.11 | jnwhiteh | since you seem to make a number of claims on that basis, implying that your thoughts somehow carry more weight than another author's |
| 20:30.14 | jnwhiteh | or at least that's how I read things |
| 20:30.26 | selckin | download stats from wowi and curse he said last time this was flamed |
| 20:30.28 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: I'm not trying to start trouble, but I honestly want to know where this is coming from |
| 20:30.55 | tsukukinsei | is there anyway to execute a command twice instantly in an addon? |
| 20:31.02 | Lunessa | I guess he feels QuestHelper is that. I don't know what metrics he's using. |
| 20:31.05 | Cidan | The same reason you are questioning him here; you both have these hugely inflated ego's. Such is life. |
| 20:31.15 | End | Cidan: goose! |
| 20:31.23 | jnwhiteh | i'm not flaming shit |
| 20:31.24 | jnwhiteh | so calm down |
| 20:31.26 | jnwhiteh | Cidan: ex-fucking-scuse me? |
| 20:31.28 | jnwhiteh | you have no right to say somethign like that |
| 20:31.30 | jnwhiteh | You don't know a damn thing about me |
| 20:31.35 | Cidan | Here it come! |
| 20:31.38 | Cidan | xD |
| 20:31.40 | Tekkub | jnwhiteh, lies, you're always fuhLAMEING |
| 20:31.57 | Lunessa | Cidan don't you also have the giant ego? :P I mean, seriously... My ego is huge too. |
| 20:31.59 | jnwhiteh | I'm asking because download stats don't tell you how many users you have, they tell you how many times someone has downloaded any files. |
| 20:32.08 | Cidan | Lunessa: I think we all do, really. |
| 20:32.16 | Aelobin | jnwhiteh: wanna make babies? i heard it's fun |
| 20:32.18 | Thunder_Child | not all Cidan |
| 20:32.18 | AckisWork | I have a massive ego |
| 20:32.24 | Tekkub | downloads/#releases gives you an okey estimate |
| 20:32.25 | AckisWork | s/ego/peepee |
| 20:32.25 | Lunessa | I mean, my ego is almost as huge as my pants size. |
| 20:32.27 | Shadowed | You can still get a rough metric of how popular an addon is from them thought, an addon isn't going to magically get 500,000 downloads with 99% of those being redownloads |
| 20:32.27 | AckisWork | errr |
| 20:32.29 | Cidan | AckisWork: Yeah, but your addon is amazing, xD |
| 20:32.41 | AckisWork | Cidan: my addon is utter shit :P ask everyone that's a dev lol |
| 20:32.41 | durcyn | his addon kicks puppies |
| 20:32.47 | AckisWork | durcyn: and babies |
| 20:32.48 | cog|work | downloads per version is also relatively good measure, imo |
| 20:32.50 | Shadowed | ps) does curse have a list of most downloaded addons? |
| 20:32.55 | AckisWork | durcyn: and punches people in the ovaries |
| 20:32.55 | Cidan | AckisWork: Well, for what it does, I love it. heh. |
| 20:32.56 | Shadowed | all I see is per day, or top rated |
| 20:33.11 | Shirik | I disagree that downloads per version is a good measure |
| 20:33.12 | End | I think they have a list of overall downloads, but I'm not sure |
| 20:33.15 | Kirov | My ego is so big when I sit down I imagine my chair to the backs of the thousands of slaves that do my bidding. |
| 20:33.22 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: sure, LightHeaded has 3.6 million downloads... but the amount of information you can actually glean from that is very limited. |
| 20:33.28 | Kirov | Usually this results in me falling on the ground chairless. |
| 20:33.28 | Shadowed | oh certainly |
| 20:33.29 | cog|work | Shirik: probably better than per day or total per addon |
| 20:33.32 | cog|work | is all i mean |
| 20:33.32 | AckisWork | I know with the Curse Client they can actually get the user install base |
| 20:33.35 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: none of which is available readily on any of the sites |
| 20:33.36 | Fisker- | hey AckisWork |
| 20:33.40 | AckisWork | die Fisker- |
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| 20:33.57 | jnwhiteh | It just bothers me when someone makes claims like that and then expects that their opinions should somehow count as more |
| 20:34.00 | Shadowed | and no addon is really most popular anyway |
| 20:34.04 | Tekkub | yea if wowi gave per-version stats that's be neat |
| 20:34.05 | Shadowed | because eveyr addon serves a different purpose |
| 20:34.05 | jnwhiteh | regardless of how valid the claim is in the first place |
| 20:34.06 | Shirik | I would relate downloads per version to being as useful as a "lines of code" estimate before a project is developed |
| 20:34.14 | Shadowed | every* |
| 20:34.17 | jnwhiteh | I am NOT saying that Qh isn't useful or popular |
| 20:34.18 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: i don't think that was his point |
| 20:34.19 | jnwhiteh | it certainly is |
| 20:34.24 | Cidan | Okay, so |
| 20:34.25 | Cidan | I like cheese. |
| 20:34.34 | Shadowed | QH stats on Curse have to be wrong, it has 21 million downloads but everything else like Recount has 10 |
| 20:34.34 | krka | i like whine |
| 20:34.36 | Cidan | Man, I want some right now; chedder, what? That would be so awesome. |
| 20:34.38 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: well that's how it read on slashdot.. for one |
| 20:34.38 | Tekkub | QH gets it's download numbers by pushing out new versions all the friggin time :P |
| 20:34.45 | Shirik | its* |
| 20:34.48 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5180227/how-many-hard-drives-does-it-take-to-stop-a-50-caliber-armor-piercing-round |
| 20:34.50 | Shirik | RAWR |
| 20:34.51 | Lunessa | My opinion is worth exactly as much as you're willing to credit it. Same goes for pretty much everyones. And... Opinions are like assholes; we all have one, and they all stink. |
| 20:34.55 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:34.57 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Shirik -> Keep the channel civil. Debate is fine as long as it is respectful of each othersâ opinions and kept civilized, constructive and courteous. No flaming! No trolling! New WoW UI Development Policy http://tinyurl.com/c4ga6a |
| 20:34.59 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: i think he was just doing that since slashdot has a much more general audience |
| 20:34.59 | Shirik | uh |
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| 20:35.02 | Shirik | wrong button |
| 20:35.02 | End | yeah, frequent releases would definitely inflate download numbers :P |
| 20:35.09 | tsukukinsei | s there anyway to execute a command twice instantly in an addon? |
| 20:35.13 | Shadowed | cog|work doesn't mean you have to phrase it like that thought |
| 20:35.13 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: not to give his points any more weight but simply to establish who he is and where he's coming from |
| 20:35.16 | Shirik | tsukukinsei: Run it twice? |
| 20:35.31 | tsukukinsei | it wont register the second time :( |
| 20:35.37 | Shirik | then you're doing it wrong (tm) |
| 20:35.42 | Jamash | depends on what you're doing twice |
| 20:35.49 | tsukukinsei | screenshot |
| 20:35.56 | Tekkub | at first I read that name as "tanuki" and got all excited |
| 20:35.59 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: that's part of why I'm asking, I was hoping I was reading it wrong |
| 20:36.05 | Jamash | do screenshots require user input? I forget |
| 20:36.08 | jnwhiteh | but I still feel that's an absurd claim to make =) |
| 20:36.12 | Shirik | I honestly don't think jnwhiteh is wrong here |
| 20:36.23 | krka | 1) release often |
| 20:36.25 | krka | 2) ??? |
| 20:36.27 | krka | 3) profit! |
| 20:36.27 | Shirik | tsukukinsei, are you still on this? |
| 20:36.30 | Tekkub | no, they don't, all those "level shot" addons remember |
| 20:36.34 | Shadowed | I AM THE MOST POPULAR ADDON THAT STARTS WITH AN A, ENDS WITH a 2 |
| 20:36.36 | Jamash | true |
| 20:36.37 | Shirik | Stop trying to make your program communicate with other programs |
| 20:36.37 | jnwhiteh | i'm not trying to be right or wrong, I'm asking a question |
| 20:36.38 | Shirik | period |
| 20:36.47 | krka | a more interesting count is probably the highest number of downloads for a specific version |
| 20:36.57 | Tekkub | people are all talking too much lately, I miss the good shits |
| 20:36.59 | jnwhiteh | krka: indeed |
| 20:37.07 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: based on my discussions with zorba in here, his posts on the forums, etc., I'm fairly confident in my assessment :) |
| 20:37.13 | tsukukinsei | yeps :( still on it |
| 20:37.18 | cog|work | not that I can speak for him |
| 20:37.19 | mikma | shadowed: but "anal" doesn't end in a |
| 20:37.30 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: I have not been around this weekend, which is why I'm asking |
| 20:37.32 | Shirik | tsukukinsei: If you can't obey that request, then I'll have you removed from this channel. Your addon is not allowed to communicate with any external programs. End of story. |
| 20:37.33 | Shadowed | I'm sure tekkub has a mod named "anal", or is planning on one |
| 20:37.37 | Shirik | I told you this yesterday. |
| 20:37.40 | Jamash | my addon is the most popular addon written by me |
| 20:37.45 | Jamash | What are we talking about? |
| 20:37.56 | Tekkub | I have no feature for the name |
| 20:37.58 | Cidan | My addon can make women have babies. |
| 20:38.01 | Cidan | Over the internet. |
| 20:38.09 | Cidan | Or was it abort babies? |
| 20:38.16 | Cidan | I never really did fix that function... |
| 20:38.16 | Shadowed | Tekkub: Name it anal and make it strip the "anal <link>" stuff from chat |
| 20:38.20 | Tekkub | an addon that moves the camera all up close on willy's giant anus? |
| 20:38.30 | Tekkub | p.s. Blizzy, TOO MUCH DETAIL |
| 20:38.42 | Jamash | an addon that displays goatse when "anal" appears in chat? |
| 20:38.45 | Tekkub | Shadowed, I don't go in trade, problem solved |
| 20:38.57 | Shirik | I swear to god if you people start putting "anal" in every line in here |
| 20:39.12 | krka | stop analyzing so much Shirik |
| 20:39.18 | Shirik | (no pun intended)? |
| 20:39.19 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 20:39.20 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 20:39.29 | Tekkub | Shirik, we would do it properly though, for example, jnwhiteh loves to get all anal about things |
| 20:39.42 | krka | i'm both an analyst and a therapist, the world's first analrapist |
| 20:40.00 | Tekkub | you're not the first, stop making that claim |
| 20:40.08 | Jamash | KNEEL BEFORE ZOD |
| 20:40.11 | krka | for my own sake, i hope people watch arrested development |
| 20:40.17 | Shirik | I hate you guys |
| 20:40.35 | Thunder_Child | shure you do Shirik |
| 20:40.39 | Thunder_Child | sure* |
| 20:40.51 | kamdis | You hate me Shirik? :-( |
| 20:41.04 | kamdis | My life no longer has meaning. |
| 20:41.31 | Thunder_Child | it had meaning before> |
| 20:41.36 | Thunder_Child | s/>/?/ |
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| 20:43.32 | Etanol | what would you say the minimum payment per hour is for making websites and other pages for businesses ? |
| 20:43.57 | Aelobin | if you store a string with \n in, can you also store it by actually typing a newline? |
| 20:43.59 | Codayus | Etanol: Depends where you are. |
| 20:44.40 | Syzgyn | And how good you are |
| 20:44.40 | Codayus | And on the type of sites, technology, complexity, quality, industry the businesses are in, level of support offered, degree of competition, and phases of the moon. :-) |
| 20:45.15 | Arrowmaster | Aelobin: \ followed by a newline |
| 20:45.29 | Aelobin | Arrowmaster: ty |
| 20:45.35 | Arrowmaster | or use [[ ]] instead of " " |
| 20:46.05 | Tekkub | I don't know why, but [[ ]] always makes me feel dirty |
| 20:46.19 | Thunder_Child | i know why |
| 20:46.20 | Cidan | ... |
| 20:46.55 | Dagmar | Because he's a typist. |
| 20:52.57 | Aelobin | Tekkub: same, i'm just used to keeping things on one line etc |
| 20:52.57 | Tekkub | no you can use it on a single line |
| 20:52.57 | Aelobin | yeh i know :P |
| 20:52.58 | Aelobin | but.. meh :P |
| 20:53.01 | Tekkub | that's what I meant, using it single-line makes me feel dirty |
| 20:53.07 | Tekkub | I'm fine with it multi-line |
| 20:54.17 | Shirik | wtf is a Mutual PIA? |
| 20:54.36 | mikma | tekkub: /{}\ now what does that make you feeel? |
| 20:55.06 | Jamash | mutual pain in the ass? |
| 20:55.22 | Shirik | Proprietary Information Agreement apparently |
| 20:55.30 | Shirik | I wonder why they're sending me that for a phone interview :/ |
| 20:55.43 | Dagmar | So, p*n*s in a** then |
| 20:56.03 | kamdis | it's an NDA Shirik |
| 20:56.12 | Shirik | yeah I figured that, but now I'm wondering why :P |
| 20:56.21 | Tekkub | mikma, that's one fat cock |
| 20:56.22 | kamdis | they want to be able to ask you technical questions that may involve disclosing confidential info to you |
| 20:56.29 | Tekkub | the ridge in the middle worries me |
| 20:56.35 | Tekkub | you should get that looked at |
| 20:56.39 | kamdis | we do that with most engineering candidates at my company |
| 20:56.57 | mikma | tekkub: noooooo! its not! |
| 20:57.06 | Dagmar | Either that or they don't want you leaking to blizzard their plans to start putting goldfarming ads into addons |
| 20:57.11 | kamdis | lol |
| 20:58.09 | Dagmar | I've had an interview before where they flat out told me they were looking to "skirt some legal issues" by which they meant "break the hell out of the law" |
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| 20:59.29 | Dagmar | I walked out on them. |
| 21:00.09 | Shirik | Welp |
| 21:00.17 | Shirik | guess I better get to school considering I don't have a scanner here and need to send this in today |
| 21:00.33 | Shirik | Stupid people sending me stuff out with one hour to closing asking for it same day >.> |
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| 21:02.03 | Xinhuan | can't you reject them? |
| 21:02.49 | Dagmar | The only place that would be impressed by someone it'll take more than a day to fill out and return a single piece of paper would be the DMV. |
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| 21:15.50 | Shirik | Okay, just saw something I've never seen before |
| 21:15.55 | Shirik | Trying to print this out |
| 21:16.09 | Shirik | "This printer cannot support that many copies. Number of copies will be set to printer maximum (1)." |
| 21:16.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:16.49 | nevcairiel | maximum of 1 .. thats high =) |
| 21:16.57 | Cidan | lua> string.byte("A"); |
| 21:16.57 | lua_bot | Cidan: 65 |
| 21:16.59 | Dagmar | The driver is in the new ultra-economy "cheapass" mode. |
| 21:17.05 | Aelobin | lol |
| 21:17.07 | Dagmar | One printout of anything should be enough for anyone. |
| 21:17.30 | Shirik | afk |
| 21:17.42 | Shirik | and by afk I mean not afk because I'm shutting off my laptop and taking it with me |
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| 21:20.04 | Cidan | lua> string.char(65, 66, 67); |
| 21:20.05 | lua_bot | Cidan: ABC |
| 21:23.54 | Aelobin | lua> tonumber(1,2) |
| 21:23.54 | lua_bot | Aelobin: 1 |
| 21:24.01 | Aelobin | lua> tonumber(5,2) |
| 21:24.01 | lua_bot | Aelobin: nil |
| 21:24.06 | Aelobin | hmm =/ |
| 21:24.25 | Aelobin | lua> tonumber(5,10) |
| 21:24.25 | lua_bot | Aelobin: 5 |
| 21:30.19 | Aelobin | anyone know how to easily and efficiently turn decimal to binary? |
| 21:31.22 | AckisWork | http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-pets-other-Male-Pure-bred-Pomeranian-Stud-W0QQAdIdZ115709214 (pics = bwaaa?) |
| 21:32.20 | Tewan | Aelobin: a webpage |
| 21:32.21 | Tewan | :D |
| 21:32.27 | Tewan | wait |
| 21:32.29 | Tewan | nevermind |
| 21:32.30 | Aelobin | Tewan: needs to be in lua |
| 21:32.39 | Tewan | yeah, I looked above that |
| 21:32.39 | Tewan | :P |
| 21:32.42 | Aelobin | :P |
| 21:32.57 | Jamash | find a decimal to binary routine in c and convert it to lua |
| 21:34.15 | Dagmar | Start on the left end, take each 1 or 0 and add then square a variable and add the 1 or 0. Repeat until you run out of ones and zeroes |
| 21:34.29 | Dagmar | s/and add//; |
| 21:34.43 | Dagmar | Or probably there's a pack function |
| 21:35.33 | Aelobin | Dagmar: that's dec to bin? 0.o |
| 21:35.57 | Tewan | sounds like bin to dec |
| 21:36.02 | Dagmar | Actually it's backwards because I need more caffiene |
| 21:36.13 | Aelobin | lol |
| 21:36.47 | Dagmar | AND with 1 and divide by two repeatedly until your starting number is zero or something |
| 21:36.50 | bleeter | omg i just coughed up a hairball |
| 21:36.52 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/ModderWithAPenis.7z |
| 21:36.58 | bleeter | cog|work: ^^ |
| 21:37.08 | Tewan | I wish you could jump out of water in Aquatic form |
| 21:37.25 | Tewan | and be on land in aquatic form, but move slower |
| 21:37.33 | Jamash | flop flop flop |
| 21:37.46 | cog|work | bleeter: >< |
| 21:37.51 | Jamash | you used to be able to get out of water in aquatic form |
| 21:37.52 | cog|work | lern2unconscionability |
| 21:38.00 | Tewan | Jamash: I read that as fap fap fap after reading "http://users.on.net/~bleeter/ModderWithAPenis.7z" |
| 21:38.02 | cog|work | (sp?) |
| 21:38.10 | Jamash | that's nice |
| 21:39.28 | Kirov | random math question. How do you find the angle of a triangle w/o arcsin / arccos / arctan / tan? |
| 21:39.38 | Dagmar | Aelobin: You could probably modify http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2004-09/msg00054.html to do it, but there has to be a less insane way |
| 21:39.58 | bleeter | cog|work: don't go using big words @ 8:40AM at me.. just tell me you like or hate. I'm toying with the idea of moving it to a full frame and other foo |
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| 21:40.00 | Dagmar | Changing D=16,"0123456789ABCDEF" to D=2,"01" might do it |
| 21:40.14 | bleeter | cog|work: big question is whether any addon site has the balls (no pun intended) to host it >< |
| 21:40.48 | Pytlask | Aelobin: untested, but should work: http://pastebin.com/m42ad8ad8 |
| 21:40.55 | cog|work | bleeter: i'm virtually certain that license would be unenforceable |
| 21:41.10 | bleeter | cog|work: why? it's not as if I'm using any duress ;) |
| 21:41.36 | bleeter | spose I should put in a .bat and a .sh |
| 21:41.42 | bleeter | so people can just click that instead |
| 21:41.43 | cog|work | the second paragraph in particular |
| 21:41.58 | Aelobin | Pytlask: it works ty |
| 21:41.59 | bleeter | yar well I did bang it together rather fast |
| 21:42.03 | foxlit | Kirov: unless you're dealing with some very special triangles, you need the trig functions |
| 21:42.09 | Aelobin | Pytlask: is there a way to make it always have 8 characters? |
| 21:42.13 | bleeter | i should ahve more coffee |
| 21:42.20 | Jamash | are you posting ascii art pornography, bleeter |
| 21:42.46 | Aelobin | oh wait i got it |
| 21:42.55 | bleeter | cog|work: oh you said unenforcable, I read illegal.. nm MOAR COFFEE |
| 21:42.58 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 21:42.59 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 21:43.02 | cog|work | bleeter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionable |
| 21:43.15 | foxlit | I'm not clicking that link unless it's at uncyclopedia |
| 21:43.15 | Aelobin | ("0"):rep(8 - finalString:len()) |
| 21:44.28 | bleeter | cog|work: aye, then needs .sh and a .bat |
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| 21:44.43 | bleeter | cog|work: see http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/HCA/1983/14.html |
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| 21:49.40 | Thunder_Child | wb bleeter |
| 21:51.06 | bleeter | wut |
| 21:51.14 | Teomyr | bleeter, that addon is awesome |
| 21:51.18 | Teomyr | ever considered selling it? |
| 21:51.30 | bleeter | Teomyr: I've made an appointment to see my lawyers |
| 21:51.41 | bleeter | just gotta polish it off, where it's actually asking for donations to the RSPCA |
| 21:51.44 | bleeter | or local equivalent |
| 21:51.58 | bleeter | so when blizz get shitty with it we can say 'Blizz burn the kittens!' |
| 21:52.04 | bleeter | *burned |
| 21:52.05 | Dagmar | Aelobin: There's actually a more straightforward way at the bottom of http://www.lua.org/pil/20.html |
| 21:52.21 | Teomyr | heh |
| 21:52.47 | bleeter | Teomyr: it's home page is http://users.on.net/~bleeter/modder_with_a_penis.html |
| 21:52.56 | bleeter | a bunch of modified lyrics I made up @ BC launch |
| 21:53.09 | Dagmar | I'm just going to assume that link isn't SFW |
| 21:53.38 | Aelobin | Dagmar: i cant find it on that page |
| 21:53.45 | bleeter | Dagmar: its the lyrics for a song by Tool |
| 21:53.57 | bleeter | modified... prolly not sfw if you're in one of those stupid workplaces |
| 21:55.09 | Dagmar | Aelobin: string.format("%08d", var) pads the number to eight digits with zeros |
| 21:55.32 | Aelobin | pads from the left? |
| 21:55.50 | Dagmar | If it padded on the right it would only be suitable for government cost bidding |
| 21:56.00 | Aelobin | :P |
| 21:56.13 | Dagmar | It's basically very similar to printf() in C |
| 21:56.21 | Pytlask | Dagmar: But he/she isn't passing in a 'number'. It's a string at that point |
| 21:56.41 | Dagmar | Pytlask: Considering he's already got to do a conversion from dec anyway it doesn't matter much |
| 21:57.17 | Pytlask | Oh, hey, that works with the %s token as well as the %d one. Yup, that'll be easier :) |
| 21:58.22 | Dagmar | It's basically a wrapper to printf like it is with most languages |
| 21:58.47 | Aelobin | so use Pytlask method but use Dagmar afterwards to pad it? |
| 21:58.55 | Pytlask | *nod* |
| 21:59.03 | Dagmar | The utility of converting a decimal number to a binary number is fairly limited anyway |
| 21:59.15 | Dagmar | Yes, pad with eight digits of Dagmar. ;) |
| 21:59.26 | Dagmar | Call it "base angry notation" |
| 22:00.15 | Aelobin | :P |
| 22:00.29 | bleeter | oh god does this mean I need to learn some vbscript? |
| 22:00.35 | Aelobin | shame tonumber() can't provide another option so you can have input base output base |
| 22:00.50 | Dagmar | bleeter: You don't "learn" VBScript, you just type stuff in and edit the bits it doesn't like out |
| 22:02.11 | Dagmar | Aelobin: Could we perhaps inquire as to what you want a zero-padded binary number for? |
| 22:02.33 | Aelobin | because lua uses up to 8 bits for characters doesnt it? |
| 22:02.51 | Dagmar | This is sounding like one of those things that coders call "interesting solutions" which is anoter way of saying "coder did something very wrong and is attempting to compensate elegantly" |
| 22:03.11 | Dagmar | Depends on your character set |
| 22:03.18 | Jamash | so you're using the character to number conversion and then converting that back to binary? |
| 22:03.42 | Aelobin | Dagmar: i'm wanting to allow basically every possible character in lua, so i thought 8bits would be maximum |
| 22:03.43 | Dagmar | You should be able to assume eight bits, but with i18n it could be some crazy unicode value that's 8, 16, or occasionally 24 or 32 bits |
| 22:03.46 | Aelobin | and no i didn't do something wrong :P |
| 22:04.15 | Dagmar | Converting characters to byte-values doesn't always work as expected |
| 22:04.15 | Jamash | Explain in a little more detail what data you're converting and what you want to do with it |
| 22:04.44 | Dagmar | Like, if you're trying to test if the second digit in your binary number is a 1 or something, there's a MUCH easier way to go about it |
| 22:05.10 | bleeter | cog|work: yes, I went there ;) |
| 22:07.35 | [draco] | Finally. Nightfall! |
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| 22:16.33 | Dagmar | Encoding something into a string and then decoding it and running it through an exec()-like call will fail |
| 22:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: so is there any way of making money aside from manual trade runs? And how can I expand my cargo bay? |
| 22:18.35 | Dagmar | Do what I always used to. Look for bugs. |
| 22:18.44 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: buy holds at a class 0 port or the shipyard at the stardock |
| 22:18.57 | cog|work | and you can automate trading with twxproxy ;) |
| 22:19.02 | cog|work | (among other helpers) |
| 22:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm that means getting wine working |
| 22:20.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Are the price of additional holds fixed across the universe? |
| 22:23.31 | cog|work | should be... there's only 3 class 0 ports though, so "across the universe" isn't particularly meaningful ;) |
| 22:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:24.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Having more than 10 helps quite a bit |
| 22:24.03 | cog|work | (sector 1 being the most practical until you find the others) |
| 22:24.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *nod* |
| 22:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Right now I'm just running around friendly sectors making what money I can |
| 22:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, how do I become more evil? |
| 22:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda have to live up to the corp name, and -4 isn't even close |
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| 22:27.13 | Lunessa | Work just replaced my old cell with a new AT&T Tilt - it's freaking huge. |
| 22:27.33 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: rob ports, attack good guys, etc |
| 22:27.38 | Fisker- | The functionality of the very rare fishing mount has changed on the PTR since my post was made. This mount, obtained via fishing, now gives a 100% speed increase in the water with no speed increase on land. |
| 22:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
| 22:27.47 | Fisker- | They better make the TCG turtle work in water then! |
| 22:27.55 | Fisker- | with same speed, etc. |
| 22:27.55 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Take colonists money and then space them |
| 22:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 22:29.46 | Adys | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3660/3377988318_4e6748e80b_o.jpg |
| 22:36.04 | PProvost | LOL... the "15 Minutes of Fame" addon right now is one that is boycotting. :O |
| 22:36.10 | mikma | adys: umm? |
| 22:36.46 | Adys | mikma: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-03-22-n22.html |
| 22:37.21 | mikma | adys: aaah, right :D |
| 22:37.29 | nevcairiel | haha thats awesome |
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| 22:40.27 | Jamash | I wonder where he lives that is within the delivery range of 232 pizza places. |
| 22:40.36 | Dagmar | San Francisco, probably |
| 22:40.51 | Dagmar | Possibly New York |
| 22:43.08 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/15864858801-uimod-writer-strike-and-impact-on-healers.html only blue response? ;-) |
| 22:44.15 | Dagmar | It's the only response it was worthy of. |
| 22:44.17 | Jamash | the writers' strike thread got locked? |
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| 22:44.39 | NeoTron | Dagmar: mostly noting that the only blue response in anything remotely related to this is that |
| 22:44.54 | Jamash | actually it looks like it just hit the thread cap |
| 22:45.01 | Dagmar | NeoTron: So, by now it should be rather obvious that they're being told they can't say anything about it without permission from management |
| 22:45.09 | NeoTron | Jamash: right |
| 22:45.17 | Dagmar | ...which is rather likely an indicator that management is waiting for someone else to get back to them. |
| 22:45.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that if Clique stopped working/disappeared we'd have an instant outrage |
| 22:46.06 | cbreak | I hope management says something about frost mage buffs. |
| 22:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Man that thread is chock full of ideas :P |
| 22:46.23 | Jamash | people are so ignorant of copyright law |
| 22:46.47 | cbreak | including blizzard :) |
| 22:46.52 | Jamash | " It is Blizzard's game and the addons are rightfully their property. Just like if you write an app for the iPod it becomes Apple's property." durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:46.55 | Dagmar | Especially dimwitted is the accusation that Blizzard is stealing people's code |
| 22:47.23 | Dagmar | Since the game came out the deal has been that Blizz has added features into the UI that people started feeling were essential |
| 22:47.36 | Dagmar | ...and from that point on, no one but blizz had to worry about it. |
| 22:47.44 | nevcairiel | I begin to understand why we had a whole class about copyright at university |
| 22:47.54 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Yep |
| 22:47.55 | nevcairiel | i thought it was pointless, but shrug, apparently people just are that ignorant |
| 22:48.06 | Dagmar | They actively hoard ignorance. |
| 22:48.21 | cbreak | I was in a IP Law class. copyright, patents and so on |
| 22:48.23 | Tekkub | Jamash, bullshit, the minute I copy mp3s to my iPod they are MY property, not apple's |
| 22:48.50 | Dagmar | So they weren't your property before you copied them into your iPod? |
| 22:48.57 | nevcairiel | Yeah we had all in that class that was important for software developers to know about IP and Copyright laws |
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| 22:49.40 | cbreak | it has reinforced my belief that lawyers are in fact aliens from a hostile planet. |
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| 22:49.44 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: Meh, there are other addons |
| 22:50.03 | jnwhiteh | re: Clique |
| 22:50.06 | jnwhiteh | and with that, I go to sleep |
| 22:50.07 | nevcairiel | Good that i don't use click-casting, i'm indepedant! :) |
| 22:50.11 | nevcairiel | I should do that oo |
| 22:50.22 | nevcairiel | my typing is getting worse |
| 22:50.25 | Jamash | I tried to use Clique once and it confused me |
| 22:50.27 | Dagmar | cbreak: It's because of the general breakdown in ethics and moral restraint |
| 22:50.29 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: wasn't saying you SHOULD, but it popped out from that thread |
| 22:50.31 | jnwhiteh | meh, i could easily replace clique with a macro :P |
| 22:50.59 | nevcairiel | If some essentially mod i use would disappear, i would just code my own |
| 22:51.01 | nevcairiel | ! =) |
| 22:51.14 | Dagmar | Lawyers wouldn't need to be quite so twisted if people (which is a set that includes lawyers) weren't so willing to make completely ludicrous "but arguable" claims that require painstakingly detailed responses to refute. |
| 22:51.17 | jnwhiteh | well it won't disappear =) |
| 22:51.42 | jnwhiteh | goodnight all |
| 22:51.46 | nevcairiel | night |
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| 23:14.47 | kamdis | cbreak :-( |
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| 23:23.43 | Tekkub | http://www.threadless.com/product/1752/Choose_Your_Own_Adventure |
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| 23:33.11 | Lunessa | Tekkub: That is PURE win. |
| 23:33.31 | Tekkub | yea but $26 with shipping... isn't |
| 23:33.47 | Lunessa | True dat. |
| 23:34.11 | Lunessa | I can't recall the last time I paid $26 for a t-shirt. |
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| 23:37.40 | Tekkub | http://www.typetees.com/product/623/Haikus_are_easy_but_sometimes_they_don_t |
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| 23:42.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ corbomite devices, haha |
| 23:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome reference |
| 23:45.31 | Tekkub | "Divine Hymn mana costs has been increased from 35% of base mana to 63% of base mana." |
| 23:45.34 | Tekkub | *cough* |
| 23:45.36 | Tekkub | ouch |
| 23:45.43 | Duman | !! |
| 23:46.41 | Stanzilla | that spell was so broken on the ptr |
| 23:46.50 | Stanzilla | healed for 120k in 8 seconds or so |
| 23:46.57 | Tekkub | good broken or bad broken? :P |
| 23:46.59 | cbreak | as broken as blink in classic? |
| 23:47.02 | Stanzilla | very good broken! |
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