| 00:00.13 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I know that.. but idiots saying they don't need addons.... deserve all the putdowns they can score ;) |
| 00:00.24 | Dagmar | IIRC mike-n-go was in here talking to someone who has admin powers on there |
| 00:00.33 | foxlit | Cairenn's front page re-post sounds odd "In the previous Q&A [...] we [not wowi?] took a lood" |
| 00:00.42 | foxlit | s/ood/ook/ |
| 00:01.00 | Cairenn | bottom of the post: Source: WorldofWarcraft.com |
| 00:01.17 | Thunder_Child | bleeter....but...you *dont* need them |
| 00:01.23 | Dagmar | bleeter: Questions like that are how I suss out early if I want to stay in the pug or have "connection problems" |
| 00:01.24 | foxlit | Ah, scrolling, my enemy |
| 00:01.24 | Thunder_Child | they are just very useful |
| 00:01.46 | NeoTron | I'd argue that at least many roles require addons to be effective as a raider |
| 00:01.46 | Rujind | i played without mods until this passed year |
| 00:01.49 | Dagmar | bleeter: Little things like being told "none of the hunters in my guild use macros" should be considered a warning sign |
| 00:01.50 | Cairenn | foxlit: :) |
| 00:01.55 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: as a healer, I quite appreciate raid frames ;) |
| 00:02.27 | foxlit | I, for one, welcome our /cast [hp<50%] Death Strike overlords :) |
| 00:02.43 | Dagmar | You can do HP as a conditional?? |
| 00:02.51 | NeoTron | was just going to assume that was a joke |
| 00:03.21 | NeoTron | I used to have an addon back in vanilla that "cast flash heal on the player most close to dying" :p |
| 00:03.34 | foxlit | You can't, and yet you can. |
| 00:03.41 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, again very handy, but the point being you could realisticly play the game with out them |
| 00:03.52 | NeoTron | and one that picked the best heal based the HP of the target (even picking PoH if it was a viable option at the moment) |
| 00:04.09 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: you can play without but not excel |
| 00:04.20 | Mooninaut | yes well, decursive killed all that |
| 00:04.24 | Dagmar | foxlit: Well if you can then I guess we can expect they'll fix that presently |
| 00:05.05 | foxlit | Probably, probably. |
| 00:05.39 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.47 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, it only makes it easier, you should be able to do the same regardless of your addons. eg. to others it would be transparent |
| 00:05.51 | Dagmar | Stuff like that they'll kill off with a quickness |
| 00:06.01 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: but that's not true |
| 00:06.21 | NeoTron | I mean yes a dps player could probably do ok but especially healing and buffing and such duties greatly benefit from addons |
| 00:06.32 | foxlit | Dagmar: http://go-hero.net/magic/ |
| 00:06.39 | Rujind | i always used the default raid frames for healing |
| 00:06.42 | Mooninaut | I can't imagine healing without Grid |
| 00:06.55 | Rujind | i need to check out Grid |
| 00:07.03 | Wraithan | Same, other than I use healbot instead of grid |
| 00:07.06 | Dagmar | Grid rocks |
| 00:07.11 | Wraithan | I have yet to try grid |
| 00:07.53 | Wobin | hm |
| 00:07.55 | Wraithan | One thing I have been trying a bit with Healbot is to get it to show earth shield on anyone who has it, instead of just showing my earth shield |
| 00:08.00 | NeoTron | and a raider without a boss mod is with a very high amount of certainty have more fails |
| 00:08.04 | Wobin | I'm finally doing +2k dps consistantly |
| 00:08.14 | Wraithan | would be really nice for nights when we have 2-3 resto shamans |
| 00:08.16 | Wobin | now that I'm well over hitcap |
| 00:08.22 | foxlit | what do you need a boss mod for in current raiding content? :) |
| 00:08.37 | NeoTron | foxlit: Malygos 25 man would be a prime example |
| 00:08.40 | bleeter | foxlit: it's the noises that keep me awake |
| 00:08.51 | Thunder_Child | i dont have any mods for maly |
| 00:08.54 | Wraithan | What about malygos 25? |
| 00:08.54 | NeoTron | it's not NEEDED for malygos, I admit, but it's damn useful to have it |
| 00:08.59 | Thunder_Child | we clear 25 just fine |
| 00:09.06 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: 6 minute? |
| 00:09.11 | Wraithan | You don't need any mods for malygos 25 |
| 00:09.14 | Wraithan | Even 6min |
| 00:09.15 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: specifically do people die in phase 3? |
| 00:09.47 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, yes but thats more about newness and forgeting to move than the lighting ball thing |
| 00:09.49 | NeoTron | every person dying in phase 3 likely didn't notice the beam on them and could have lived with the help of a dong a few seconds before being targeted |
| 00:10.05 | foxlit | The default warning isn't enough? |
| 00:10.13 | Thunder_Child | we dont self bubble the beam |
| 00:10.16 | NeoTron | a boss whisper? no doesn't help much, I don't read chat |
| 00:10.17 | Thunder_Child | we use group healers |
| 00:10.32 | Wraithan | Thunder_Child: can't get 6min maly that way, at least as far as I know |
| 00:10.40 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: wtf is that oO |
| 00:10.42 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: in 10 man I found healing it wasy but in 25 man it's unnecessary risk |
| 00:10.49 | foxlit | It's the same style of boss whisper that tells you Dalaran is going to dismount you |
| 00:11.08 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: magic, quite clearly. |
| 00:11.22 | Wraithan | 3-4 healers helps a ton for Maly25 when you are learning the encounter but after that no need for healers |
| 00:11.29 | Gnarfoz | holes in the "secure" macro stuff, again? |
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| 00:12.12 | foxlit | Or perhaps just a clever animation. You never do see the action bars, after all :) |
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| 00:12.31 | Rujind | 25 maly pug couldnt make it to phase 3..... |
| 00:12.33 | Rujind | 8( |
| 00:12.35 | foxlit | besides, there was something about not revealing how magic tricks work. |
| 00:12.40 | Thunder_Child | there is no reason to do it in 6 min though other than the ach |
| 00:12.50 | foxlit | need the ach :( |
| 00:12.54 | Gnarfoz | if that was actually a magic trick, revealing is not necessary, fixing it is though |
| 00:13.08 | bleeter | WTB: macros button slots for when vehicle UI is up |
| 00:13.11 | Thunder_Child | you mean want |
| 00:13.11 | Gnarfoz | reminds me of the whole AutoMacroV8 fiasco :P |
| 00:13.25 | Dagmar | bleeter: what would you do with them> |
| 00:13.40 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: a whole lot of chinese? |
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| 00:13.42 | bleeter | Dagmar: not listen to my guild complain that they can't use macros anymore =)) |
| 00:13.56 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: what has chinese got to do with this? :o |
| 00:14.11 | Dagmar | bleeter: Considering that vehicle UI is just button mashing, perhaps they're pissed they're expected to occasionally read? |
| 00:14.11 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?q=AutoMacroV8 |
| 00:14.20 | Dagmar | foxlir: I'm not so sure 'cd' is a valid conditional |
| 00:14.21 | Gnarfoz | I got it here |
| 00:14.35 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: really now? :p |
| 00:14.39 | Mooninaut | unknown macro option: debuff |
| 00:14.44 | Mooninaut | it's fake |
| 00:14.48 | NeoTron | foxlit: I swear there was no audible notification before and esp as a healer I just didn't notice it very easily |
| 00:14.55 | NeoTron | possible they changed it I suppose |
| 00:14.55 | Gnarfoz | Mooninaut: wrong conclusion |
| 00:15.08 | Wraithan | Wasn't that the one where you could spam one button and it would play for you |
| 00:15.21 | Gnarfoz | it brought back 1.x macros in 2.x |
| 00:15.25 | Gnarfoz | basically. |
| 00:15.32 | foxlit | NeoTron: what usually happens is that *bossmods* spam raid warnings in a manner that makes you unable to distinguish the one you actually care about. |
| 00:15.34 | Gnarfoz | which, in essence, meant just that ;) |
| 00:15.54 | bleeter | yar what foxlit said |
| 00:15.56 | Rujind | i am tired of having so much crap on my screen |
| 00:15.57 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: bossmods spam? you must have missed some train, I guess |
| 00:16.05 | NeoTron | no back when bigwigs didn't work on malygos there wasn't anything in phase 3 that I noticed |
| 00:16.15 | Rujind | i'm glad i'm not playing a healer right now i'd probably not like it |
| 00:16.18 | Mooninaut | I have a lot of crap on my screen |
| 00:16.23 | Mooninaut | but I actually use it all |
| 00:16.27 | Gnarfoz | there is nothing in p3 that would be interesting for anyone from a bossmod :O |
| 00:16.39 | Wraithan | I wish I could clean my UI up a bit but I use it all |
| 00:16.43 | bleeter | i keep meaning to turn everything 'cept grid off, but I'm too lazy |
| 00:16.51 | foxlit | Nevertheless, I'm sure you could /rw on every ability Maly uses :) |
| 00:17.06 | NeoTron | raid doesn't care about the beam |
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| 00:17.09 | NeoTron | the 3 people do |
| 00:17.11 | Dagmar | Just move the combat window to the middle of the screen and make it use 24pt |
| 00:17.27 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: no, because that's healable :O |
| 00:17.49 | bleeter | raar |
| 00:17.53 | bleeter | PHEER |
| 00:18.03 | Dagmar | *I* care about beams |
| 00:18.08 | Gnarfoz | yes? why? |
| 00:18.11 | bleeter | I care about my broken coffee mug :( |
| 00:18.16 | Dagmar | They used to like to spawn right through me in Kara |
| 00:18.19 | Mooninaut | is there an addon that will save addon on/off profiles and let you switch between them with a reloadui? |
| 00:18.27 | Gnarfoz | Mooninaut: several |
| 00:18.36 | Gnarfoz | Mooninaut: ACP, Ampere come to mind quickly |
| 00:18.48 | Mooninaut | I should get one |
| 00:18.51 | bleeter | wish there was 'global' profiles on the addon selector |
| 00:19.15 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: IF you happen to be at full health which sin't always the case |
| 00:19.15 | bleeter | clone enabled/disabled across classes/toons/realms etc. w/o having to login and dick around |
| 00:19.25 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: no, even if you're not at full health |
| 00:19.28 | NeoTron | I always heal that fight and I'm always top healer so I know how to heal |
| 00:19.44 | bleeter | selectively enabling/disabling and display of same per toon is asshats atm |
| 00:19.45 | Shirik | "I'm always top healer so I know how to heal" |
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| 00:19.47 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 00:19.47 | Gnarfoz | you may well be, but apparently you're using less healers than we are ;D |
| 00:19.56 | NeoTron | we use 4 |
| 00:20.01 | Gnarfoz | we use 6 :p |
| 00:20.05 | Shirik | I'm not arguing that you are perhaps not the best healer, however I would like to point out that that argument is invalid |
| 00:20.06 | NeoTron | Shirik: Malygos phase 3 |
| 00:20.15 | bleeter | I'm always top heal and I still have nfi what I'm going |
| 00:20.18 | Shirik | Howcak healing in phase 3 |
| 00:20.22 | Shirik | wow |
| 00:20.23 | bleeter | nobody blames me when we wipe, so.. /shrug |
| 00:20.24 | Shirik | xfail |
| 00:20.26 | Gnarfoz | and: we're fans of tactics that cut out as many people who could fuck something up |
| 00:20.31 | Shirik | How do you track healing in phase 3 |
| 00:20.44 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: same way as you track damage |
| 00:20.45 | NeoTron | and I'd argue I'm the best healer because out of the 4 two usually only use aoe heals while a large chunk of my healing comes from the hot which I target on the appropriate people |
| 00:20.53 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Not helpful |
| 00:20.54 | NeoTron | Shirik: recount, split pet from owners |
| 00:21.04 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: what NeoTron said, is what that means |
| 00:21.07 | NeoTron | pets show up as healers |
| 00:21.13 | kraft | is it possible to do a = "Alpha" frame:["Get"..a]() ? |
| 00:21.13 | Gnarfoz | pets show up, period :D |
| 00:21.18 | Shirik | for some reason nobody on our team has figured that out yet |
| 00:21.22 | Wraithan | While is 99% of cases that isn't nessiarily true, P3 Maly if you are top heals you are doing better than others because all that matters is thoroughput |
| 00:21.38 | Shirik | kraft: frame["Get"..a](frame) |
| 00:21.46 | kraft | thanks :) |
| 00:21.50 | Shirik | If you don't know why that works, read pil |
| 00:22.00 | Gnarfoz | we just have our healers spam renew on themselves for 5CP and then AoE. |
| 00:22.00 | kraft | again >< |
| 00:22.02 | Gnarfoz | works fine :D |
| 00:22.10 | NeoTron | basically malygos healing is: 1) hot people with low health, 2) if everyone is at full health and you're not at full energy, don't use your aoe heal yet |
| 00:22.27 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: it does but it's not as effective.... and maybe why you use 6 healers ;-) |
| 00:22.37 | Gnarfoz | we use 6 healers because we can't rely on people to use shield |
| 00:22.38 | Gnarfoz | s |
| 00:22.43 | Shirik | we don't use shields |
| 00:22.53 | Gnarfoz | or on healers to have working UIs that let them target drakes :D |
| 00:22.58 | Shirik | and use 5 healers |
| 00:23.03 | foxlit | shields are for the weak and amateur |
| 00:23.07 | foxlit | (and so are healers) |
| 00:23.08 | NeoTron | if you only use "heal self and spam aoe" that's quite a bit worse than "target people with low health and aoe" |
| 00:23.18 | Wraithan | We downed him last night with no healers |
| 00:23.29 | Shirik | why? |
| 00:23.38 | bleeter | so what gets me is, why blizz think 25 mans should be harder than 10mans. surely there's far less room for error in a 10man? |
| 00:23.41 | foxlit | I say, if you can't kite Malygos to Vael's room, you have no bussiness in start-of-mid-to-end-game-content |
| 00:23.43 | Wraithan | But didn't hit the 6 min mark because a couple of our members are fail |
| 00:23.48 | Gnarfoz | maybe the 2 people who I'd say excel at what they do actually target their HoT |
| 00:24.01 | NeoTron | not unlikely |
| 00:24.02 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, agreed |
| 00:24.06 | Gnarfoz | but the rest... probably mindlessly bashing that button like we told em to |
| 00:24.12 | Gnarfoz | when they asked the 5th time what to do in p3 |
| 00:24.27 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: so I'm not totally insane for thinking that? cool, it's been on my mind since about 1/2way thru BC |
| 00:24.38 | Gnarfoz | I should probably check on our next maly25 visit, I'm curious now ;> |
| 00:24.40 | NeoTron | still we've gotten 6m kill with 4 healers + using shields so I see no reason not to do that |
| 00:24.54 | NeoTron | we have a few people that are drake fails and stand in the aoe so using that shield helps those people not die |
| 00:24.59 | Gnarfoz | ohh right, this was about 6min to begin with xD |
| 00:25.01 | Gnarfoz | I totally forgot |
| 00:25.11 | NeoTron | was it? I don't think it was :) |
| 00:25.12 | Wraithan | NeoTron: did you get 6 min? |
| 00:25.23 | Gnarfoz | in that light I'd totally aim for that, too |
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| 00:25.35 | Gnarfoz | because we got our 10man 6min by using exactly... 1 healer in p1+2 |
| 00:25.39 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i think they give better loot for 25 based on how hard it is to get 25 people togethe |
| 00:25.41 | Thunder_Child | rr |
| 00:25.42 | Gnarfoz | (and then 3 in p3) |
| 00:26.05 | NeoTron | Wraithan: http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/2014653#damageout |
| 00:26.05 | Wraithan | We run 3-4 healers for P1-2 in 25man |
| 00:26.07 | Gnarfoz | amazing that 1 priest could heal p1+p2 by themself :D |
| 00:26.11 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: so it's all about social skills, not actual ability to play the game? |
| 00:26.23 | bleeter | i'd never really thought of it that way, guess you're right |
| 00:26.31 | Mooninaut | yep, it's about knocking heads together |
| 00:26.31 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: you use 3 healers in 10 man? |
| 00:26.36 | Gnarfoz | in p3 |
| 00:26.36 | Thunder_Child | what are you talking about bleeter, WoW IS a social game |
| 00:26.38 | NeoTron | we used 2 healers in all phases |
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| 00:26.54 | Shirik | no reason, just cuz huh? |
| 00:26.56 | Shirik | (which is a valid reason) |
| 00:26.59 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: with all the buffs to solo play, hard to tell ;) |
| 00:26.59 | Gnarfoz | we had just 1 DK, so spark stacking was us vs. RNG in p1 |
| 00:27.41 | Gnarfoz | and even then it was really hard to get close to p2 before 2nd vortex |
| 00:27.44 | NeoTron | we had 6 healers in 1-2/25 man +1 healer respecced ret (and doing rather poorly I should add :) |
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| 00:28.11 | Gnarfoz | I've kind of written off the rest of the 25man achievements |
| 00:28.22 | Gnarfoz | we can't manage to get 25man raids together anymore |
| 00:28.24 | NeoTron | maybe we had 5 healers? not sure |
| 00:28.29 | Gnarfoz | too few signups :[ |
| 00:28.40 | NeoTron | ah yes, 5 healers |
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| 00:29.25 | Wraithan | 3.1 will be nice because we can make our fail healers dps on Malygos |
| 00:30.20 | NeoTron | if they are fail healers won't they be fail dps? |
| 00:30.32 | Wraithan | Yeah, but at least they will be contributing a little |
| 00:30.33 | Dagmar | They probably will |
| 00:30.45 | Gnarfoz | and to take that further, why can't I just get rid of the fail <whatever>s and replace them? :< |
| 00:31.05 | bleeter | if 3.1 don't fix the lack of ranged DPS classes atm... I think I'll spit |
| 00:31.13 | Gnarfoz | lack of? |
| 00:31.14 | Thunder_Child | what lack? |
| 00:31.17 | Wraithan | Lack of range? |
| 00:31.30 | bleeter | three realms I'm on.. all have bad lack of ranged DPS |
| 00:31.37 | bleeter | healers and melee dps/tank.. not a prob |
| 00:31.48 | Gnarfoz | we fill our melee spots with ranged because a) there's enough of them around b) no melees around :( |
| 00:32.03 | bleeter | hmm |
| 00:32.25 | bleeter | i was blaming everyone being a DK, therefore glut of melee tank/dps maybe these realms just suck hardcore |
| 00:32.27 | Gnarfoz | that is, in our guild. not certain how that translates to our realm overall |
| 00:32.31 | bleeter | I just thought they sucked a li'l |
| 00:33.02 | Wraithan | We have too many healers/tanks right now |
| 00:33.33 | Wraithan | we brought 9 healers to naxx25 on last Tuesday because we had the space and no dps to put in those slots instead |
| 00:34.28 | Gnarfoz | ouch |
| 00:34.29 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 00:34.42 | Dagmar | Come to Skywall. We have plenty of ranged DPS |
| 00:34.52 | Gnarfoz | at least our healers have enough 2nd and 3rd spec gear by now |
| 00:35.53 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size << because you were just dying to know :) |
| 00:36.19 | Thunder_Child | we only have 2 priests @ 80 in our guild for some reason |
| 00:36.30 | Thunder_Child | 1 holy 1 shadow |
| 00:36.34 | Gnarfoz | what's so interesting about that, foxlit? oO |
| 00:37.25 | Mooninaut | apparently we were dying to know |
| 00:37.49 | Gnarfoz | oh and I thought he meant you! |
| 00:38.14 | Dagmar | I've got some very thin A5 here somewhere |
| 00:38.29 | Dagmar | No wait, sorry A8 |
| 00:39.02 | foxlit | It's interesting in that it's relatively boring and commonplace, yet still probably unfamiliar to most people. |
| 00:39.27 | Mooninaut | I only ever use US Letter |
| 00:39.43 | Dagmar | Only to people who've never tried to print a PDF from England. |
| 00:39.53 | foxlit | For instance, the mechanics of how the ISO A sizes are defined were relatively unknown to me, yet I use that stuff every... week. ish. |
| 00:41.02 | foxlit | The US Letter standard is apparently only used in US and Canada. |
| 00:41.35 | Dagmar | The ISO people can be counted upon for coming up with *the* most convoluted way to define things |
| 00:41.52 | foxlit | whereas the rest of the world uses the ISO standard. |
| 00:42.30 | foxlit | Meh, the definition seems elegant to me. |
| 00:42.40 | Dagmar | Its a sheet of paper. |
| 00:43.03 | Mooninaut | it's not just a sheet of paper |
| 00:43.21 | Mooninaut | it's a million pieces of machinery that manufacture and handle that sheet of paper |
| 00:44.16 | foxlit | And now I kind of wish my browser had a persistent "how did I get here" function |
| 00:45.30 | foxlit | Ah, History, you save the day once again: Slashdot star trek story -> penny arcade archive -> foolscap on google -> wikipedia -> paper size |
| 00:46.36 | Mooninaut | -> kevin bacon |
| 00:46.56 | Dagmar | So your idea of web surfing is kind of like a deadly hydrafoil accident in reverse |
| 00:46.57 | foxlit | Hm, it appears I didn't kill all conversation just yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_beauty_contest , then. |
| 00:47.00 | Dagmar | I like it |
| 00:47.36 | Dagmar | Going from complete fluff to something almost educational |
| 00:48.00 | Dagmar | ....almost purely educational in fact |
| 00:48.54 | Mooninaut | I need a list of 19 quests in kalimdor I haven't done |
| 00:49.18 | Dagmar | You have a sprite darter? |
| 00:49.29 | kraft | hmm |
| 00:49.35 | Dagmar | That chain is like seven right there |
| 00:49.37 | kd3 | turn on low-level quest tracking and start flying to all of the bases |
| 00:49.38 | Mooninaut | horde |
| 00:50.01 | Mooninaut | kd3: that's what I'm doing |
| 00:50.16 | foxlit | the EK Blasted Lands chain has a few steps in Kalimdor |
| 00:50.21 | foxlit | Not sure what they count against |
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| 00:56.15 | Mooninaut | I remember when the infernals in ashenvale were scary |
| 01:01.17 | Shirik | impressive |
| 01:01.24 | Shirik | dot is now taking all 8GB of my memory |
| 01:01.31 | Shirik | I wonder if it will die soon |
| 01:02.30 | Iriel | how much swap do you have? |
| 01:03.06 | Shirik | That includes swap |
| 01:03.10 | Shirik | I have 4GB of memory 4GB swap |
| 01:03.26 | Shirik | (Why I have 4GB swap I'm not quite sure) |
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| 01:03.54 | Shirik | I'm beginning to think trying to draw this graph was a bad idea |
| 01:04.07 | Mooninaut | heh |
| 01:04.09 | Iriel | Shirik: Grapher of the ungraphable |
| 01:04.13 | Mooninaut | yay, 666 quests |
| 01:04.20 | Shirik | Shirik the Ungraphable |
| 01:04.25 | Shirik | I think that's a good title for WoW |
| 01:05.17 | Shirik | what confuses me, though, is htop says dot is only taking 63% of memory |
| 01:05.26 | Shirik | but it's the only thing reporting over 1% |
| 01:05.46 | Shirik | and it continues to say memory is almost entirely filled (including swap) |
| 01:06.14 | Dark_Elf | i would increase the swap to 6gb |
| 01:06.22 | Shirik | not really an option at this point |
| 01:06.28 | kd3 | cached data? |
| 01:06.30 | Shirik | and this has already been running for 4 hours, I'm not running it again |
| 01:06.48 | Adys | <Evil Satanic Carebears> |
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| 01:09.51 | bleeter | Shirik the Segfault |
| 01:09.58 | Shirik | hey |
| 01:10.00 | Shirik | I fixed it |
| 01:10.01 | Shirik | sorta |
| 01:10.12 | bleeter | lol |
| 01:10.20 | Shirik | I go back to what I said earlier, though, in that windows needs a ulimit command |
| 01:10.22 | Adys | Shirik, Champion of the Segfaults |
| 01:10.37 | Dagmar | Very funny |
| 01:10.40 | bleeter | windows needs fdisk inserted into it's startup |
| 01:10.41 | Dagmar | Windows with a ulimit. lol |
| 01:10.44 | Gnarfoz | Segfault Vanquisher Shirik |
| 01:10.59 | bleeter | Shirik the Segfault Fool |
| 01:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa, Vanquisher imposes some degree of competency upon him |
| 01:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, bleeter there, that is win |
| 01:11.09 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: :( |
| 01:11.13 | Gnarfoz | competence, you mean? |
| 01:11.14 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 01:11.18 | Gnarfoz | wtf is competency :D |
| 01:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf ever, I've had this migraine for three days -.- |
| 01:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It is my spring break too |
| 01:11.37 | Gnarfoz | Twilight Grammar Nazi Gnarfoz |
| 01:11.38 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 01:11.45 | Shirik | I know |
| 01:11.52 | Shirik | there should be a way to do distributed processing with dot |
| 01:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly are you rendering, Shirik? |
| 01:12.07 | Dagmar | Time to start freebasing the caffiene to kill the migraine |
| 01:12.19 | Shirik | The TradeWars universe :) |
| 01:12.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm curious |
| 01:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | How large is the file? |
| 01:12.41 | Shirik | 5000 nodes, with an average of about 3 outgoing edges per node |
| 01:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | File size? |
| 01:12.52 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:12.55 | Shirik | it's still going |
| 01:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:13.07 | Shirik | it's been going for 4 hours |
| 01:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Any place it can be linked? |
| 01:13.16 | smoke_ | i'm having a problem with my group loot item windows not popping up with my oUF layout, anyone experience this type of issue? |
| 01:13.29 | foxlit | I think it's time you found a new pretty-printing algorithm, Shirik. |
| 01:13.32 | kd3 | you using any other mods? like dominos? |
| 01:13.35 | bleeter | I tend to get the feeling you're doing it wrong, Shirik... but I'm really not inclined to investigate what ;) |
| 01:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | If only my motherboard wasn't dead |
| 01:14.02 | Shirik | bleeter: Based on my analysis, the issue is not calculating the graph, but removing overlaps |
| 01:14.04 | bleeter | then again, maybe you just ain't fully investigated the Known Bug list :P |
| 01:14.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have a brand new i7 with 6GB of RAM to throw at it |
| 01:14.29 | kd3 | raah, enough of the snowballs. gimme the damn drake! |
| 01:14.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Where are you getting this file from Shirik? |
| 01:14.38 | Shirik | I generated it |
| 01:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, how? :P |
| 01:14.56 | Shirik | I spent 5 hours running a script on the server to identify all the nodes |
| 01:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:15.07 | Shirik | wrote a Lua script to convert it into a dot file |
| 01:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that what is still going? |
| 01:15.11 | Shirik | no, that's been done |
| 01:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Pass me the dot file |
| 01:15.20 | Shirik | now dot is processing the dot file |
| 01:16.00 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I'll have a brand new i7 with 6 GB of ram in about a week -- yay |
| 01:16.19 | Shirik | can you accept DCC ScytheBlade1? |
| 01:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: Nice :). My motherboard showed up and... was... not functioning properly, at all |
| 01:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: should be able to |
| 01:16.34 | Shirik | well I already sent the request |
| 01:16.40 | Iriel | Hopefully I will not have the same experience you did |
| 01:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Which of the i7s? |
| 01:17.57 | Iriel | Intel Core i7 940 2.93 GHz |
| 01:17.59 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: FYI, I had to ulimit -s 99999999 to get it to not segfault |
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| 01:18.17 | Shirik | probably didn't have to go that high, but didn't feel like testing :P |
| 01:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: yeah I'm cheap, got the one right below that |
| 01:19.06 | Iriel | I was being "pragmatic" and avoided the one above it 8-) |
| 01:19.12 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:19.17 | Iriel | the incremental was silly |
| 01:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | There is a minor price difference :) |
| 01:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 01:20.10 | Shirik | oh ScytheBlade1, I did get neato to generate a graph for it |
| 01:20.19 | Shirik | without turning on overlap reduction |
| 01:20.23 | Shirik | it was.... amusing |
| 01:20.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: but on the bright side, who knows, maybe when the price comes down there will be room for an upgrade |
| 01:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: the amusing thing is that none of these have names... is that the case in the game? |
| 01:21.53 | Shirik | they're all numbers, yes |
| 01:22.07 | Shirik | 4 ports have meaningful names |
| 01:22.10 | Shirik | I didn't bother to include them |
| 01:22.21 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I'm hoping that it'll last a few years without needing one |
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| 01:22.25 | Shirik | the rest, while they might have names, they're better off being ignored because they are in no way helpful |
| 01:22.35 | Shirik | you can't navigate by name, etc. |
| 01:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: yup same here. This gets to last me through the remainder of my schooling |
| 01:22.39 | Shirik | I don't even bother to read the name |
| 01:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | (Which is... 3 years at a minimum) |
| 01:22.59 | Shirik | yay for school! |
| 01:23.06 | Shirik | Do what I did, get the school to pay for you :) |
| 01:23.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, dot is using 76.9% of my 4GB of RAM here |
| 01:24.14 | ScytheBlade1 | But I didn't have to resort to silly ulimit tricks ;) |
| 01:24.23 | Shirik | really? What did you do? |
| 01:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll see if it finishes |
| 01:24.40 | Shirik | I just ran ixme:d3d_shader:print_glsl_info_log Error received from GLSL shader #7: "Fragment shader was successfully compiled to run on hardware |
| 01:24.42 | Shirik | um |
| 01:24.46 | Industrial | Cairenn: you have to watch this :P all the way to the end :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptbp0pmcg3U |
| 01:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:25.02 | Shirik | dot -Tpng warpspec.dot -o warpspec.png |
| 01:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | How long did it take you to render it? |
| 01:25.38 | Shirik | again, it's still rendering |
| 01:25.42 | Shirik | and about 4 hours so far |
| 01:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh k |
| 01:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | What CPU? |
| 01:25.51 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 01:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: and I suspect it would be because I'm using a 64-bit system? Assuming you're on a 32-bit system? |
| 01:27.42 | Shirik | I'm on a 64 bit system wth a 64 bit distro |
| 01:28.08 | Shirik | (Otherwise I would have segfaulted a long time ago after hitting the 4GB limit) |
| 01:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | This isn't taking >4GB of RAM here |
| 01:28.40 | Shirik | Oh it will |
| 01:28.44 | Shirik | it only took 3 for a while for me |
| 01:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | boo, computers at school only have 2GB each |
| 01:31.44 | Shirik | oh btw |
| 01:31.54 | Shirik | Core 2 Duo T8100 |
| 01:32.22 | ScytheBlade1 | laptop CPU eh |
| 01:32.47 | Shirik | laptop is by far my fastest computer right now, sadly |
| 01:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It is not a bad CPU by any means |
| 01:33.45 | Shirik | I need to upgrade my desktop though |
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| 01:34.49 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/110403 << a mystery wrapped in a connundrum |
| 01:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: I see no Java objects there |
| 01:35.34 | foxlit | I'm sure it's just because I have the wrong idea of how WrapScript works |
| 01:36.54 | kd3 | boo, mysterious fermented liquid x10 |
| 01:37.20 | Shirik | my computer must be really pissed now |
| 01:37.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, why? |
| 01:37.45 | Shirik | Last week I had it generate nearly 100GB of data (which I trimmed down to 20GB by working with my team to eliminate a single bit from a structure) |
| 01:37.58 | Shirik | And now I'm having it do this |
| 01:38.42 | Shirik | s/bit/byte/ |
| 01:39.18 | foxlit | Or perhaps it's the right idea and this just doesn't make sense |
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| 01:44.28 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/110404 << How does what is presumably SecureActionButton_OnClick throw a "FrameXML\RestrictedExecution.lua:163: Cannot insecurely modify restricted table" error? |
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| 01:48.18 | foxlit | The answer is that it can't; I must've had a second wrap. |
| 01:49.24 | foxlit | if only pcall didn't eat the stack that actually counted :( |
| 01:50.01 | Arrowmaster | which is why ace3 avoids pcall like the plague |
| 01:50.17 | Arrowmaster | its still impossible to correctly debug ace2 because of it |
| 01:50.47 | Shirik | sometimes pcall is a necessity |
| 01:51.09 | foxlit | yes, and no. |
| 01:51.13 | Arrowmaster | or you can sacrafice a little speed and use xpcall |
| 01:51.27 | Shirik | However, in my personal opinions, libraries should check their own preconditions to ensure their usage is correct, rather than relying on catching errors downstream to report back to the caller |
| 01:51.48 | foxlit | In this case, I'm whining at securehandlers |
| 01:52.21 | Shirik | foxlit: That was directed at Arrowmaster, not you |
| 01:52.33 | foxlit | The world clearly revolves around me :) |
| 01:52.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone know where you get the loaner mount? |
| 01:52.42 | Iriel | if xpcall didn't suck they'd use that instead |
| 01:52.45 | foxlit | Unfortunately, I'm also at least partially to blame -- my diagnostic code seems to affect its own measurements |
| 01:52.46 | NightHawkTheSane | (if you don't have CWF at 77?) |
| 01:52.56 | Shirik | Iriel: Are you referring to the lack of arguments |
| 01:53.02 | Iriel | Yes |
| 01:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: back to TBC, to farm money |
| 01:53.14 | Shirik | I think there's been discussion of adding that in Lua 5.2 |
| 01:53.30 | Iriel | Shirik: There has, I forget the result tho |
| 01:53.39 | Arrowmaster | they should, and then people can backport it to 5.1 |
| 01:53.51 | foxlit | You can still fake it, albeit somewhat inelegantly. |
| 01:53.56 | Shirik | Well tbh it's not exactly difficult to do right now |
| 01:54.09 | Shirik | the code change isn't that major |
| 01:54.58 | Iriel | Shirik: I considered the cost too high |
| 01:55.36 | Shirik | I didn't say it should be done, only that waiting for it so people can backport to 5.1 is not a valid statement |
| 01:55.38 | mikma | !serveralert eu |
| 01:55.49 | mikma | shirik: help meh, what was the command? |
| 01:55.55 | Shirik | mikma: That functionality has been disabled until such time I find a better way to do it |
| 01:56.03 | foxlit | Iriel: if CallRestrictedClosure presumably passes issecure() check, but ends up failing a Restricted_Table_Meta issecure() check, where do I hunt for dragons? |
| 01:56.29 | Iriel | Hm.. did someone hook a frame metatable? |
| 01:56.51 | foxlit | You know, I might have. |
| 01:57.03 | Arrowmaster | that sounds like something i might do |
| 01:57.35 | Arrowmaster | i should take another look at CombatLogTimestamper and see if i can fix the taint |
| 01:57.47 | foxlit | hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(CreateFrame("Button")).__index, "SetScript"), though that shouldn't touch things |
| 01:58.35 | Iriel | foxlit: Hm, right, that shouldn't taint anything |
| 01:58.48 | Iriel | foxlit: But it's possible the code underneath does, if it alters the table |
| 01:59.39 | foxlit | Nope; the hook is there to debug the issue -- it mainly prints stuff under certain conditions |
| 02:00.20 | Shirik | foxlit: Just for testing, if you remove the hook does the problem go away |
| 02:00.37 | foxlit | Shirik: I can't even reproduce the thing :/ |
| 02:00.43 | Shirik | :< |
| 02:00.53 | foxlit | and no; since I've added the hook based on reports of the issue. |
| 02:00.59 | haste | !wowalert |
| 02:01.23 | Shirik | that would be !serveralert |
| 02:01.27 | Shirik | and as I said 5 minutes ago |
| 02:01.46 | haste | I don't see it :D |
| 02:01.48 | Shirik | 21:55] <Shirik> mikma: That functionality has been disabled until such time I find a better way to do it |
| 02:01.55 | haste | :( |
| 02:01.57 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 02:01.58 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 02:02.11 | mikma | ~failrik |
| 02:02.12 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 02:02.17 | haste | ugh, 11:00 :( |
| 02:02.25 | Shirik | give me a better algorithm and I'll be glad to reinstate it |
| 02:02.25 | haste | in before 14:30 |
| 02:02.25 | mikma | gah |
| 02:02.39 | Shirik | It's in Lua, it should be fairly trivial for you to do |
| 02:02.39 | mikma | that ally-migrate is nice: |
| 02:02.43 | mikma | To Magtheridon (Alliance only) from all PvE realms except Chamber of Aspects and Saurfang |
| 02:02.45 | foxlit | In restriced environments, any sort of global or subtable assignment goes through __newindex? |
| 02:02.45 | Shirik | I just don't want to write it right now |
| 02:02.48 | haste | you should only post the first line imo Shirik ! |
| 02:02.51 | bleeter | Shirik: ppl register to it and it'll /msg them when it changes |
| 02:02.52 | haste | that's the important one |
| 02:02.56 | haste | or second :D |
| 02:03.05 | bleeter | Shirik: if they're that interested in server spam on spelling correction, let them have it ;) |
| 02:03.06 | mikma | second line yeah |
| 02:03.29 | kraft | Wednesday: the one day of the week i cant stay up late and code :'( |
| 02:03.29 | Shirik | bleeter: Now write me the code to do it :) |
| 02:11.48 | mikma | http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-dog-pictures-abandon-hour.jpg |
| 02:12.53 | bleeter | Shirik: only if you come up with a worthy retort to this summarised conversation 'The only addon needed in PvP is Omen' |
| 02:13.14 | Dagmar | bleeter: "I LIKE CAEK" |
| 02:14.05 | bleeter | Shirik: and no, the guy who basically said that wasn't being sarcastic |
| 02:14.28 | Dagmar | To truly fight stupidity, you have to be able to harness it's power and be ready to take it to teh nex lebble |
| 02:14.51 | Shirik | ... wtf? |
| 02:15.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Out of curiosity, are you still running that dot? |
| 02:15.38 | Shirik | I'm 5 minutes from giving up |
| 02:15.43 | mikma | bleeter: yeah i usually be careful with my aggro in pvp |
| 02:16.10 | Shirik | thing is, I hate to kill it now because its memory usage is going down |
| 02:16.15 | mikma | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-your-cat-likes-the-movie-the-shining.jpg |
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| 02:16.18 | mikma | hehe |
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| 02:18.15 | mikma | cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-kitten-is-one-hundred-percent-happy.jpg |
| 02:18.23 | foxlit | I think I know what's wrong now. |
| 02:18.32 | Cairenn | yeah, saw that one, is cute :) |
| 02:18.44 | foxlit | Which makes this an adequate time to go to sleep, since I'm too lazy to check whether I'm actually right |
| 02:19.06 | mikma | cairenn: cutest one in a while |
| 02:19.09 | Cairenn | yep |
| 02:19.35 | Shirik | is that to imply you two regularly check that site? |
| 02:19.40 | Shirik | that's rather depressing |
| 02:20.15 | foxlit | what are people to use the internet for, if not for looking at crimes against grammar and cute domestic animals? Porn? |
| 02:21.02 | Shirik | I would like to see a study which determines the percentage of usage of the internet which is comprised of porn |
| 02:22.01 | ronghail | 1% of sites according to fed study |
| 02:22.19 | Shirik | where did you see this? |
| 02:22.29 | ronghail | http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2006/11/feds_claim_inte.html |
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| 02:23.21 | Shirik | (1% is a rather large number when you consider the quantity of information available, tbh) |
| 02:24.11 | Shirik | though, not as high as I expected it to be |
| 02:24.19 | Shirik | ok nono, that's not what I asked ronghail |
| 02:24.23 | Shirik | That states the number of sites |
| 02:24.32 | Shirik | I want the amount of traffic |
| 02:24.43 | Shirik | if those 1% of sites make up 50% of the connections on the internet, the numbers could be wildly different |
| 02:26.05 | ronghail | right |
| 02:26.06 | ronghail | dunno |
| 02:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yeah, I'll probably run it overnight just because. Working on my laptop now, not my desktop, so it can sit there and happily keep at it |
| 02:26.35 | Shirik | yeah well I cancelled dot, ScytheBlade1, 10 hours is way too long to do this |
| 02:26.45 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/lost_netti.jpg |
| 02:26.49 | Shirik | (including the time it took to retrieve the data) |
| 02:26.57 | Shirik | back to windows I go! |
| 02:27.09 | foxlit | Shirik: what sort of graph structure are we dealing with |
| 02:27.20 | foxlit | 5000 nodes with 3 random connections each, or some sort of semi-sane clustering? |
| 02:27.31 | Dagmar | mikma: HEH |
| 02:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 3 connections on average |
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| 02:28.18 | foxlit | replace each with on average, doesn't affect the question much. |
| 02:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | 284kB file of "[node] -> [node]" |
| 02:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | which doesn't answer your question much :) |
| 02:29.02 | Wraithan | Running naxx25 with 4.5 healers and I can hardly tell the difference, only healers who aren't here are the failhealers |
| 02:29.24 | Dagmar | How many times we gotta say 25-mans are easier than 10-mans |
| 02:29.25 | foxlit | I suppose a better phrasing is |
| 02:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | *214kB |
| 02:29.50 | Dagmar | Why they allow people to trade 25-man badges for 10-man badges I'll never understand |
| 02:29.59 | foxlit | if we know that there are edges a->b and b->c, what is the average probability of there being an a->c edge. |
| 02:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: because I had >100 25s and <10 10s when all I wanted was badges for 10s |
| 02:30.23 | Dagmar | foxlit: Pretty much umm... guaranteed |
| 02:30.33 | foxlit | so clusters |
| 02:30.59 | foxlit | the alternative is a completely random assignment, where the probability would be something relatively small. |
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| 02:31.47 | Shirik | foxlit: very good question |
| 02:31.49 | Shirik | in general it should be mostly sane |
| 02:31.59 | Shirik | it is relatively in clusters, and most edges are bidirectional |
| 02:32.25 | Dagmar | ronghail: I think perhaps they're measuring quantitatively and not qualitatively |
| 02:32.43 | Dagmar | I used to be responsible for the health and well-being of a news server. |
| 02:32.53 | Dagmar | No WAY is the Internet "merely" 1% porn by volume |
| 02:33.04 | Dagmar | ...not unless there's more spam out there than anyone ever suspected. |
| 02:33.38 | foxlit | For bonus points, one has to wonder how the clusters are distributed -- do things resemble a roadmap of some metropolis (i.e. dense connections), or a connected set of islands (few links between clusters) |
| 02:34.07 | Shirik | There is only one thing I know for sure |
| 02:34.08 | foxlit | Dagmar: you're severely underestimating the volume of piracy and dragons :) |
| 02:34.30 | Dagmar | Considernig that most of the porn is pirated? I think not. |
| 02:34.42 | Shirik | There are 3 nodes which are located on a "highway", which is connected by nodes each of which has around 6 edges, in a triangle |
| 02:34.45 | foxlit | Is it still porn if it is piracy? |
| 02:34.50 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 02:34.56 | foxlit | Yarr, surely. |
| 02:35.00 | Shirik | Off of one of those nodes is another highway which is terminated by a cluster of nodes, numbered 1-10 |
| 02:35.10 | Shirik | Aside from that, nothing is known |
| 02:35.32 | Shirik | (This is part of the reason I wanted to graph it, these are the things I wanted to find out) |
| 02:35.43 | foxlit | So you have position data for some of the nodes, but edge data for all of them? |
| 02:35.57 | Shirik | that's just general knowledge there |
| 02:35.58 | Shirik | but yes |
| 02:36.07 | Shirik | I know what nodes are connected to what nodes, for sure |
| 02:36.29 | Shirik | "where" that puts them is rather unknown |
| 02:36.36 | foxlit | edge weights corresponding to distances? (triangulation might work, but I somehow doubt that you're given weights) |
| 02:36.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you know you'd probably be better off writing a program to do this specific thing for you |
| 02:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Load the map, and then draw 20 at a time |
| 02:37.12 | Shirik | the distance of the edge is always considered 1 |
| 02:37.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Stick a scroll bar on it |
| 02:37.58 | foxlit | So no triangulation. |
| 02:38.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The only thing known about it is that A connects to B, C, and D |
| 02:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Locations, distances, and sizes are irrelevant |
| 02:38.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, specific locations |
| 02:38.49 | Shirik | this is basically the only thing that's known http://www.tw-cabal.com/pics/MSL_PIC.jpg |
| 02:38.54 | Shirik | those 4 nodes |
| 02:39.15 | Shirik | Each one of those has 7 incoming, 6 outgoing edges (the 6 outgoing are also incoming) |
| 02:40.22 | Shirik | Aside from that, we know that Terra is sector 1 and is connected to sectors 2-7 in both directions, and that 8-10 are relatively close to it (2 jumps away, max). |
| 02:40.26 | Shirik | Everything else is unknown now |
| 02:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, at least with this file you gave me that is all that is known :P |
| 02:40.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:41.02 | Shirik | but not known to ME |
| 02:41.05 | Shirik | It's known to a data file |
| 02:41.09 | Shirik | I just can't visualize it |
| 02:41.18 | foxlit | + you know what connects to what |
| 02:41.24 | Shirik | Right, everything is known for sure |
| 02:41.34 | Shirik | Just not visualizable right now |
| 02:42.20 | bleeter | Ackis: how do I stop ARL from telling my lvl53 priest she can get Ench Boots Vitality by entering MGT and defeating KTS? |
| 02:43.56 | foxlit | iirc, there was a way to find edges connecting dense clusters of nodes by computing all-pairs resistance. |
| 02:44.13 | Shirik | Yes, I saw that in the documentation after I started dot |
| 02:44.22 | Esamynn | ~poke Esamynn |
| 02:44.23 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Esamynn, pokes Esamynn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:44.27 | Shirik | However, based on turning on verbose output, the problem isn't calculating the graph |
| 02:44.29 | Esamynn | ~poke Shirik |
| 02:44.29 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:44.33 | Shirik | That actually gets done in maybe 10 minutes |
| 02:44.43 | Shirik | The problem is correcting the graph so no nodes overlap |
| 02:44.57 | Shirik | Because what I got my first time was a jumbled, unreadable mess P |
| 02:44.58 | Shirik | :P |
| 02:45.14 | foxlit | Meh, that sounds like a silly problem :) |
| 02:45.31 | foxlit | scale up the distances, keep node sizes down to a minimum. |
| 02:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd break it in other ways |
| 02:46.17 | Shirik | keep in mind I've never used dot for any non-trivial problem before |
| 02:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely, your ability to scroll the image in under 30 minutes |
| 02:46.50 | foxlit | Did I mention that scrolling is overrated? :) |
| 02:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 02:47.15 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to provide the monitor that can display it all at once ;) |
| 02:51.36 | Shirik | with 5000 nodes I'm thinking we need something the size of what we saw at blizzcon for that |
| 02:51.43 | Shirik | maybe a grid of those |
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| 02:52.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I still think you'd be better off writing a program to view this |
| 02:52.37 | Shirik | I'm thinking you might be right, and I've considered it |
| 02:53.12 | Shirik | Problem is I've never been good at path algorithms, so I'll have to relearn that stuff :) |
| 02:53.39 | Shirik | I think the best way to do it would be to start with the main triangle I referred to earlier |
| 02:53.47 | Shirik | using the shortest path between those nodes |
| 02:53.50 | Shirik | then building off that |
| 02:54.54 | ZorbaGama | if you know that there's heavy clustering, it might be a good idea to detect clusters, then lay out each cluster individually, then lay out the clusters from there |
| 02:55.06 | ZorbaGama | drawing maps from arbitrary graphs is insanely hard in general though |
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| 03:02.47 | Exawatt | So say I wanted to make my own button textures, so the button is capable of everything a normal OptionsButton is capable of (pushing, highlighting, disabling). How many texture files am I going to have to draw? |
| 03:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | 4 |
| 03:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | normal, pushed, mouseover (highlighted), disabled |
| 03:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You totally answered your own question |
| 03:04.39 | Exawatt | But I mean, the game figures out what a pushed _and_ disabled button would look like? |
| 03:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 03:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I was going to add |
| 03:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizz draws two |
| 03:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Pushed and Disabled |
| 03:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait I lied |
| 03:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Just one, normal |
| 03:05.18 | ScytheBlade1 | pushed/highlight are textures added over the top of the button |
| 03:05.31 | ScytheBlade1 | disabled is managed with :SetVertexColor() |
| 03:06.02 | Exawatt | So I've only gotta' draw one texture, and the game will do it's thing with that one to make it pushed, highlighted, or disabled? |
| 03:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It depends on what you're using them with |
| 03:06.33 | Exawatt | ? |
| 03:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | If it is your own addon, then probably not. If you just want them there for stuff like macro icons (and likewise addons that enumerate macro icons), then no |
| 03:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, sigh |
| 03:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Replace the last no with yes :) |
| 03:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | If it is your own addon, then probably not. If you just want them there for stuff like macro icons (and likewise addons that enumerate macro icons), then yes <-- there we are |
| 03:07.42 | Exawatt | I will be using it for my own addon. So I will have to only draw one? |
| 03:08.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, but your addon will have to manage the button highlights/disabling/etc independent of the icons |
| 03:08.29 | Exawatt | If I get this working I"ll write up the missing API on WoWWiki... |
| 03:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't an API :) |
| 03:08.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The WoW UI uses a series of events to change/add textures, nothing more |
| 03:09.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No extra voodoo to it |
| 03:09.19 | Shirik | I just realized another problem with my triangle graphing method |
| 03:09.27 | Exawatt | So what's the reason for Button:SetHighlightTexture()? |
| 03:09.28 | Shirik | I told you there were those 3 primary nodes in a triangle? |
| 03:09.41 | Shirik | I don't actually know what the third node is >.> And that information is not available |
| 03:10.12 | Shirik | Exawatt: It lets you set the highlight texture? |
| 03:10.14 | Shirik | What's the question |
| 03:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | He wants to know how to make buttons "work" |
| 03:10.29 | Shirik | I used to use it to paint a red X on top of an icon |
| 03:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely normal, highlight, pushed, and disabled |
| 03:10.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: pay them more. imo |
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| 03:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: lol |
| 03:11.03 | ScytheBlade1 | He asked if he had to draw 4 buttons or otherwise |
| 03:11.40 | kraft | ~moo |
| 03:11.41 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 03:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Exawatt: okay, let me pull my thoughts together. You can draw four buttons and swap them out accordingly, or you can draw one button and manage to code to make that button appear in the various states. |
| 03:12.21 | Thunder_Child | moo == win |
| 03:12.35 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Wtf is with you ship name |
| 03:12.36 | kraft | :D |
| 03:12.45 | Shirik | -=-=- Docking Log -=-=- |
| 03:12.45 | Shirik | Death^H^H^H^H^HArrowStar docked 1 day(s) ago. |
| 03:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone doesn't know how to telnet |
| 03:13.17 | haste | hi2u slashdot humor :D |
| 03:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I doubt that is intended humor |
| 03:13.32 | haste | it is |
| 03:13.48 | Shirik | I don't get it :/ |
| 03:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ^H = backspace |
| 03:14.27 | Shirik | oh I get it now |
| 03:14.30 | Shirik | that's kinda awesome :P |
| 03:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Took you that long to count to 5? :P |
| 03:14.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: it probably IS intended humor :P |
| 03:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | One way to find out! |
| 03:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone doesn't know how to telnet23:12 <@Shirik> Death^H^H^H^H^HArrowStar docked 1 day(s) ago. |
| 03:15.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 03:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Sigh |
| 03:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I give up IRC with this headache |
| 03:15.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Someone doesn't know how to copy paste properly. ;) |
| 03:15.28 | Exawatt | If I "swap them out accordingly," would that change anything else about the button other than it's displayed texture? And would that mean essentially putting a "pushed' texture on a button that isn't quite "pushed"? I am so lost with these buttons. I guess I'll try wading through frames.xml and find their OptionsButtonTemplate, and just copy what they did. |
| 03:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Exawatt: forget everything you know about buttons. |
| 03:16.09 | Exawatt | Forgotten. |
| 03:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Exawatt: a button is a frame that can be clicked by default. nothing more. you CAN attach a texture to it |
| 03:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to :SetTexture() on it, feel free. ONLY the texture will change, because logically that is all that you changed |
| 03:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | So if you made a button, and added a bit of code for OnMouseEnter/OnMouseLeave/OnMouseDown/etc, and all that code did was check the state and :SetTexture() to the correct texture |
| 03:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Congrats, you would have achieved what you want |
| 03:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | This has the downside of requiring 4(+?) icons per button |
| 03:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Got that much? |
| 03:18.17 | Exawatt | Yes sir. |
| 03:18.29 | Exawatt | Or maam, I don't really know. |
| 03:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Now the stock UI is a bit more "tricky" |
| 03:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Sir, no worries ;) |
| 03:18.52 | ScytheBlade1 | What file is UIButtonTemplate defined in? Or whatever template you're using or code you were looking at ? |
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| 03:19.24 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 03:19.31 | Exawatt | Gimme' a sec' to search the folders. |
| 03:19.37 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 03:21.05 | Lothaer | hey anyone seen art3mis? |
| 03:21.16 | Lothaer | ~seen art3mis |
| 03:21.18 | purl | art3mis is currently on #waruidev (23h 30m 1s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 4h 7m 4s, last said: 'http://www.cornpops.com/index.html'. |
| 03:22.01 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: that was intended humor |
| 03:22.03 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or is dr. damage not working properly? |
| 03:23.31 | Lothaer | whats it not doing? |
| 03:23.47 | Exawatt | Hm... I was using OptionsButtonTemplate in OptionsPanelTemplates.xml because it worked for my initial purposes. But apparently that's inheriting UIPanelButtonTemplate and only changing the size. I have no idea where UIPanelButtonTemplate is. I'm trying to trace that back now... |
| 03:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Exawatt: what is your end goal? |
| 03:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, what does this addon do? |
| 03:24.11 | Exawatt | Minesweeper. :) |
| 03:24.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Or this part of it? |
| 03:24.14 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:24.23 | Lothaer | lol |
| 03:24.30 | Exawatt | I'm trying to replace my button with an "F" on it with a nice texture of a flag. |
| 03:24.46 | Exawatt | And essentially change all numbers and "?" to textures. |
| 03:24.52 | Exawatt | And mines. |
| 03:25.01 | Shirik | so you're making minesweeper |
| 03:25.04 | Arrowmaster | Exawatt: probably in UIPanelTemplates.xml, but it sounds like you are probably better off not using one of the existing templates |
| 03:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That is awesome |
| 03:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 03:25.25 | Exawatt | http://www.gamingsanctum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=35&start=0 |
| 03:25.36 | Exawatt | There'll be many games. |
| 03:25.39 | Lothaer | wtb pacman |
| 03:25.49 | Exawatt | Why does everyone want Pac-man?! |
| 03:25.56 | Lothaer | lol |
| 03:26.11 | Exawatt | And don't steal my idea, BTW. :P |
| 03:26.16 | Lothaer | atm best ingame game has to be bejeweled |
| 03:26.17 | Shirik | Exawatt? |
| 03:26.22 | Exawatt | Yes? |
| 03:26.23 | Shirik | I just thought about that name |
| 03:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | We're all far too lazy to bother with such theift |
| 03:26.29 | Shirik | that is a very large number |
| 03:26.36 | Exawatt | 10^18 |
| 03:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM is a very large number. |
| 03:26.47 | Lothaer | lol |
| 03:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | If that is the scope of your project then you'll outgrow the stock UI templates *very* quickly |
| 03:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me simplify this for you then, in a way which should help a bit |
| 03:27.21 | Lothaer | anyone here use WIM? |
| 03:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Two textures |
| 03:27.27 | ScytheBlade1 | One of which is the "icon" |
| 03:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Another is the classic yellow highlight around the edges, semi-transparent along the edges, entirely transparent in the middle |
| 03:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Stick the second on top of the first, tada! You have a mouseover |
| 03:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Dim/brighten the "border" texture and you can make it seem clicked/deactivated/whatever |
| 03:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Show/hide/dim/brighten that as needed. You're done. |
| 03:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Forget the templates |
| 03:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/LayeredRegion/SetVertexColor to adjust the color as needed |
| 03:30.42 | Arrowmaster | UIPanelButtonTemplate is right at the top of UIPanelTemplates.xml, and its a very simple template |
| 03:31.36 | Exawatt | Hm... I'm also going to have to look into changing normal textures, as well... 'Cause in Minesweeper the blank squares become things, but don't always get pushed to get there. |
| 03:32.07 | Exawatt | @Arrowmaster So should I make my own from scratch, try to copy from UIPanelButtonTemplate, or just use that one? |
| 03:32.10 | kraft | are there any addons that allow easy frame creation in-game? |
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| 03:32.20 | Arrowmaster | Exawatt: imho dont even use xml |
| 03:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd just be a :SetTexture() to change whatever was there |
| 03:32.49 | Exawatt | Oh right, because the highlight texture would still be the same. |
| 03:33.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You're just taking one image and make it look slightly different with another on top of it |
| 03:33.20 | Arrowmaster | just make a few functions that call everything you need to change a button to a new set of textures and just pass the buttons to the functions |
| 03:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: if this is still rendering in the morning when I wake up, I'll cancel it, but it'll run overnight |
| 03:34.14 | Shirik | fun :) |
| 03:34.25 | Shirik | I'm going to run it through a different engine overnight |
| 03:34.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It has been crunching for 2h of CPU time now |
| 03:35.00 | Shirik | that's about where it stopped for me |
| 03:35.08 | Shirik | after that it seems like it was blocked on the hard drive for the rest of the time |
| 03:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | My RAM is at 74% for that one process and has been right there for quite some time |
| 03:36.11 | Exawatt | Okay, I'll try out what I've learned. Thanks for the help all. I'm sure I'll be stopping in more often as time progresses. :) |
| 03:36.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It is simple in theory :) |
| 03:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (I would personally recommend writing up a quick XML template and abusing it, but others would start spitting venom at the mere mention of it) |
| 03:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | (Haters, all of you) |
| 03:38.36 | Exawatt | Yeah, why doesn't anyone like XML? |
| 03:38.44 | Iriel | I have no problem with XML |
| 03:39.00 | Iriel | for applications that have a static layout it makes a lot of sense |
| 03:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Nor do I |
| 03:39.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, like your minesweeper, it makes quite a bit of sense |
| 03:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You have one button replicated many times over |
| 03:39.32 | Iriel | Where I dont like to see it is in cases where there's dynamic numbers of elements, or if there's significant amounts of repetition |
| 03:39.41 | Iriel | so minesweeper MAY, in my opinion, be pushing it |
| 03:40.08 | Exawatt | Well I have a button template, and then use LUA to replicate that button 720 times (in a maximum field). |
| 03:40.10 | Iriel | though i'd still consider an XML template for a 'cell' if it's not trivially easy to lua-ify |
| 03:40.20 | krka | Exawatt: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA :-) |
| 03:40.30 | Exawatt | Oh. Uh... okay. |
| 03:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ~pat krka |
| 03:40.32 | purl | ACTION pats krka and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 03:40.33 | Iriel | Exawatt: That would likely be the approach i'd start with 8-) |
| 03:41.00 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/WoWScrnShot_031409_040959.jpg |
| 03:41.30 | Exawatt | That was going to be my next project. I see someone's already done it, though. :( |
| 03:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:44.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: incidentially, my current CS assignment is to write a tree visualization program, which isn't TOO far off from this |
| 03:45.06 | Lothaer | i friend of mine is totally into hello kitty |
| 03:45.21 | Lothaer | i told her about that UI and she grabbed it and it didnt work lol |
| 03:45.40 | Lothaer | so i've grabbed it and updated some of the mod, changed others added some more |
| 03:46.04 | Lothaer | i wanna get hold of art3mis to see if he/she'd mind if i took it over |
| 03:46.12 | Lothaer | ive also make a Hello Kitty skin for WIM |
| 03:46.24 | Lothaer | made* |
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| 03:49.55 | Thunder_Child | dont make me want to kill you like art3mis |
| 04:08.21 | Lothaer | lol |
| 04:08.36 | Lothaer | http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/lothaer/message_window_hellokitty1.jpg |
| 04:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ping |
| 04:11.48 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: pong |
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| 04:50.38 | Tekkub | is melee hit cap for 1-/specials 9% or 8% |
| 04:50.45 | Tekkub | *1-H |
| 04:50.53 | Wraithan | 8 |
| 04:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | 8% |
| 04:50.59 | Tekkub | bastards! |
| 04:51.12 | Tekkub | I thought the 8% was only hunter ranged |
| 04:51.50 | Shirik | Ok, found critical flaw with chrome |
| 04:51.55 | Shirik | It is impossible to use without a mouse |
| 04:52.07 | Zyndrome | 263 hitrating, and you're set |
| 04:53.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: nah, recent testing has found it's 8% for 1h/specials |
| 04:54.16 | Tekkub | Shirik, it also has this retarded thing where if you midle-click a bookmark, but the mouse moves a pixel while you click, it doesn't open |
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| 05:14.55 | Wobin | nhts and for two handers? |
| 05:19.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: two handers get fucked by blizzard |
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| 05:33.34 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i need food |
| 05:34.35 | Thunder_Child | this is fail http://www.woot.com/ complete fail |
| 05:39.10 | Thunder_Child | and this is fucking epic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw&eurl=http://i.gizmodo.com/5172963/sheep+powered-led-display-lights-up-welsh-hillside&feature=player_embedded |
| 05:39.25 | Tekkub | woot kind sucks anymore |
| 05:39.32 | Tekkub | the shirts have gotten a bit better though |
| 05:51.12 | Shirik | cog|away: ping |
| 05:56.48 | Shirik | ..... |
| 05:56.53 | Shirik | I just saw a commercial on TV |
| 05:57.13 | Shirik | "Don't get married too early when you're not ready for a commitment. Join Online Booty Call" |
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| 05:57.42 | Shirik | this planet is going to hell |
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| 06:03.59 | Thunder_Child | well hell is an earthy idea Shirik |
| 06:06.46 | Thunder_Child | ~dance |
| 06:06.47 | purl | <(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)> |
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| 06:13.29 | Roderigo | Hey all. |
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| 06:14.21 | Roderigo | I'm about to lose my mind, was wondering if someone could help me out with a chunk of code. I just created a thread on the forums, so if someone has some time to check it out, I would appreciate it. :) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15659712237 |
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| 06:22.55 | TC-Away | gogo 3.0! |
| 06:23.04 | Tekkub | not gonna get help if you don't stay in the channel :P |
| 06:23.15 | Tekkub | some people's chilluns |
| 06:23.19 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:23.23 | Thunder_Child | i wasnt asking for help |
| 06:23.36 | Tekkub | I wasn't talking to you |
| 06:23.46 | Thunder_Child | well you should be clear then |
| 06:23.57 | Tekkub | maybe if you'd stay in the channel you'd know that |
| 06:24.24 | Thunder_Child | maybe if my internet didnt decide to drop me i would have |
| 06:24.42 | MentalPower | now now boys settle down |
| 06:24.46 | Tekkub | not our problem :p |
| 06:24.51 | Tekkub | quiet you! |
| 06:25.02 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 |
| 06:25.07 | Thunder_Child | damn right it is your problem |
| 06:25.32 | Tekkub | erf, do I have to go again? |
| 06:26.25 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:26.32 | Thunder_Child | not that i know whats going on |
| 06:27.09 | Tekkub | you is slow |
| 06:27.19 | Thunder_Child | no, my net is laging |
| 06:27.34 | Tekkub | lag == slow == you |
| 06:28.10 | Thunder_Child | not quite |
| 06:28.57 | Tekkub | the fact that "Cautionary Note Regarding Forward-looking Statements" is larger than the rest of the press release worries me |
| 06:30.24 | Cairenn | mrh? |
| 06:31.24 | Tekkub | do you even READ the shit you link? |
| 06:32.04 | Cairenn | Tekkub: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 06:32.14 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 06:32.16 | Thunder_Child | thats exactly his point Cairenn |
| 06:32.40 | Tekkub | the press release linked from the forum thread you just shoved in the MOTD |
| 06:32.48 | kd3 | http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/090217.html |
| 06:32.55 | Tekkub | kd gets it |
| 06:33.53 | Cairenn | I was trying to figure out what "new" link I put up, since I didn't put anything new up, just deleted the Happy St. Patty's Day and Happy Birthday parts :p |
| 06:34.19 | Cairenn | the rest of the topic has been there for a month now |
| 06:35.42 | Tekkub | bah, like anyone reads the motd |
| 06:39.41 | Thunder_Child | you just did |
| 06:40.00 | kd3 | rofl @ xkcd |
| 06:41.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:41.54 | Tekkub | that reminds me, I need to get a new can of crisco |
| 06:42.11 | Lukian | can? :o |
| 06:42.26 | Tekkub | yea it comes in little cans |
| 06:42.31 | kd3 | oh yeah, the can form of crisco rocks for cooking |
| 06:42.38 | kd3 | > spray crap any day |
| 06:42.43 | Tekkub | yes... cooking... |
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| 06:43.49 | Duman | hmm |
| 06:44.04 | Duman | anyone here going to GDC ? |
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| 06:44.35 | Duman | kd3: holy shit I dunno how many times I've had that dream |
| 06:44.40 | Tekkub | Google Democratic COnvention? |
| 06:44.41 | Duman | kd3: and yes, even after graduating long ago |
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| 06:44.58 | Duman | Game Developer's Conference :-P |
| 06:45.00 | Tekkub | Gay Dog Collar? |
| 06:45.02 | Duman | http://www.gdconf.com/ |
| 06:45.34 | Cairenn | Duman: I wish =/ |
| 06:45.39 | Tekkub | Gastrointestinal and Digestive Condition? |
| 06:46.38 | Duman | tekkub is on a roll ;) |
| 06:47.20 | Tekkub | no I'm all out |
| 06:48.40 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 06:48.41 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 06:51.11 | kd3 | ok... news of the weird before I go to bed |
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| 06:51.24 | kd3 | fark: "Not news: Couple goes horseback riding on a date. News: Couple gets attacked while on horseback. Fark: By "attack donkeys" [Florida]" |
| 06:51.50 | Duman | o.O |
| 06:54.26 | Wobin | March 13: http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=10003218 |
| 06:54.35 | Wobin | March 14: http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Spider-Bite-Miracle-Man-Arrested=1&blockID=239367&feedID=190 |
| 06:55.10 | Shirik | nice link Wobin |
| 06:55.16 | Shirik | that first one crashes chrome 100% |
| 06:55.54 | Wobin | oh rly? |
| 06:55.58 | Wobin | works fine on ff |
| 06:56.13 | Wobin | PS I thought Chrome was all about the separation |
| 06:56.24 | Shirik | oh sure |
| 06:56.27 | Shirik | none of the other pages crash |
| 06:56.29 | Shirik | but that one does |
| 06:56.36 | Wobin | well you said 100% |
| 06:56.43 | Shirik | I mean every time I try to load it |
| 06:56.48 | Shirik | 100% reproducable |
| 06:57.01 | nevcairiel | chrome isnt so perfect as shirik makes us believe |
| 06:57.10 | Shirik | no but it's hella fast |
| 06:57.16 | Shirik | unlike evil ff |
| 06:57.25 | nevcairiel | 3.1 is fast too |
| 06:57.33 | Shirik | yaok |
| 06:57.33 | nevcairiel | And it runs the plugins i need :) |
| 06:57.50 | Wobin | can we get 3.1 now? |
| 06:58.03 | zenzio | the select few situations where Firefox is slow, it's beacuse I'm doing something excessive anyway |
| 06:58.29 | nevcairiel | Wobin: beta3 |
| 06:58.44 | Wobin | woo found it |
| 06:58.49 | Fisker- | hahahahah |
| 06:59.52 | Fisker- | "An unexpected error is keeping you from applying attributes to the file, blah, blah, You can use this error code to search for help: 0xC00D36B1: No error description available" |
| 06:59.53 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
| 07:00.21 | ZorbaGama | I wish there were *good* web browsers, instead of a large number of web browsers which are all terrible in slightly different ways |
| 07:00.30 | Shirik | elinks is good |
| 07:00.38 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: The buffer was too small to carry out the requested action <-- text |
| 07:02.20 | zenzio | I wonder how many people are aware that the WIndows error codes (like C0000005 et al) is divided into individual ranges of bits with specific meanings |
| 07:03.59 | Shirik | I am! |
| 07:04.09 | Shirik | I was actually trying to look up the bits while you said that :/ |
| 07:04.26 | Shirik | I forgot which bit was the Microsoft/3rd Party bit |
| 07:05.30 | Shirik | here we are |
| 07:05.46 | Shirik | is the third bit, so Fisker-'s code is a microsoft code |
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| 07:18.31 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how many people care? |
| 07:21.04 | nevcairiel | Anyone know what securecall() issued by the blizzard UI actualy causes? just prevents taint to the calling function? |
| 07:21.28 | Thunder_Child | huh, i thought blizz fixed all of it's typoes already |
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| 07:37.00 | Jamash | bah, my sister got loremaster of kalimdor |
| 07:37.04 | Jamash | gotta catch up |
| 07:40.55 | Thunder_Child | why? |
| 07:41.04 | Jamash | 'cause |
| 07:41.16 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 07:41.27 | Jamash | I want the title? |
| 07:42.53 | Tekkub | Whoremaster is a better title |
| 07:43.06 | Wraithan | Wishmaster? |
| 07:43.07 | Tekkub | but nothing can top the dorf mule in Exodar on my server... |
| 07:43.11 | Tekkub | Private Milken |
| 07:48.50 | zenzio | I remember a screenshot from Anarchy Online, where one of the GMs had a PvP title |
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| 07:56.37 | Shirik | I just figured out the #1 thing we're missing in tradewars |
| 07:56.39 | Shirik | Cairenn! |
| 07:56.48 | Cairenn | no |
| 07:56.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:57.01 | Shirik | don't you want to unleash the devil in you? |
| 07:57.01 | Cairenn | too brainiac for me |
| 07:57.04 | Shirik | haha |
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| 08:01.04 | Thunder_Child | "Did you hear about the Linux-car finishing last in the indy500?" |
| 08:01.11 | Thunder_Child | "Not surprised though... You know how impossible it is to find a decent driver for linux hardware?" |
| 08:01.18 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:02.12 | Sinj | Hello *waves*. I'm kinda new here, can someone answer some questions for me? |
| 08:02.23 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 08:02.24 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 08:04.13 | Sinj | Well, I was looking around for an addon that would include a sort of weightscale based off the simulationcraft scale factors that are included in the simcraft-builds on google-code. Sort of like ratingbuster, but only concerned with scale factors and comparing item stat values and their sums in relation to your character's specific scale factors |
| 08:04.47 | Sinj | And being new at writing lua, i was wondering, is it completely out of my reach to write such code (tbh, I'm really new to this, so haven't got a clue) |
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| 08:05.42 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 08:05.54 | Cairenn | and this is new ... how? |
| 08:06.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:06.10 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, think in-game dynamic live simcraft |
| 08:06.24 | Thunder_Child | variables bassed off current great/stats.....i assume |
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| 08:06.47 | Thunder_Child | or shift click an item and see how they change |
| 08:06.48 | Sinj | well, for instance, let's say the scale factor for haste for an affliction specced warlock is 1.01 or so |
| 08:07.07 | Sinj | then all item values would have certain values |
| 08:07.15 | Sinj | or wait...are you familiar with lootrank? |
| 08:10.03 | Shirik | I'm completely lost right now so |
| 08:10.07 | Shirik | I'm probably not a good person to ask this to |
| 08:10.38 | Sinj | Hehe, alright, well I guess I'll lurk some more and see if I can figure it out |
| 08:11.39 | Sinj | Guess i was looking for some handholding, sorry about that - I'd just really like to have an ingame Lootrank function :) |
| 08:12.28 | Shirik | I just don't really know what this "simcraft" and "lootrank" and "weightscale" and any of this stuff is |
| 08:12.38 | Shirik | but I've never been one to believe in theorycrafting if that's where you're going, anyway |
| 08:12.44 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 08:12.45 | purl | Shirik, you Fail! |
| 08:12.50 | Shirik | ~kill Thunder_Child |
| 08:12.51 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-neutron gun at Thunder_Child |
| 08:13.04 | digmouse | nev or arrowmaster you there? |
| 08:13.10 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 08:13.33 | Sinj | x) |
| 08:13.43 | digmouse | Arrowmaster: what should we do if someone just steal my translations? |
| 08:14.14 | Thunder_Child | ~ddoge Shirik |
| 08:14.20 | Thunder_Child | ~doge Shirik |
| 08:14.26 | Arrowmaster | digmouse: for? |
| 08:14.36 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge Shirik |
| 08:14.37 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of Shirik's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 08:14.46 | |Jelly| | Arrowmaster: Sexxeschatz |
| 08:14.56 | Thunder_Child | :( i think the last second was many seconds ago |
| 08:15.37 | digmouse | see Mapster, a account called wowuicn just make little changes (actually none, just to make their name is in the localization system) to the localizations and declare their authorization. |
| 08:18.47 | Netzgeis | Hi everyone :-) I got a short question around TargetUnit(). 6 Lines of code for further explaination: http://rafb.net/p/QIPbyv44.html |
| 08:19.11 | Netzgeis | The question is: Why is this not working? ^^ |
| 08:19.25 | Arrowmaster | Netzgeis: you cant use TargetUnit() |
| 08:20.04 | Netzgeis | Hi Arrowmaster and thx for the answer. So its Blizzard only? Are there alternatives of the API to use? |
| 08:20.13 | Arrowmaster | blizzard only |
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| 08:20.42 | Arrowmaster | you can use secure frames but its still limited on what you can do |
| 08:20.55 | Netzgeis | So stuff like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("/target Hogger"); will also not work? |
| 08:21.59 | Netzgeis | Hm, im sorry but i dont yet know what secure frames are. I was asking because i wanted to write me a spammy button to search for nearby raremobs :-) |
| 08:23.11 | Arrowmaster | digmouse: he just added periods to the end of stuff? |
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| 08:24.05 | digmouse | Arrowmaster: yes, just to make sure his(actually their, wowuicn is a Chinese addon site which steal lots of authors' work) name is in the localization system |
| 08:24.21 | digmouse | Request a ban on him |
| 08:26.03 | Arrowmaster | ill have to have others help take a look at it, since you edited them too its hard to find what it was before wowuicn edited it to see what exactly the change was |
| 08:27.03 | Arrowmaster | a lot of your edits look quite a bit different than just punciation than what the wowucin one was |
| 08:27.13 | Arrowmaster | but i cant read it so i dont know for sure |
| 08:27.36 | NeoTron | http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/2434102#damageout heh |
| 08:27.44 | NeoTron | bestust kill everz! |
| 08:27.46 | nevcairiel | Does anyone really care who submitted the last translation? |
| 08:27.50 | nevcairiel | I don't! |
| 08:28.05 | nevcairiel | As long as people don't add ads or something |
| 08:28.18 | digmouse | nevcairiel: but that's stealing |
| 08:28.31 | nevcairiel | You don't get anything for translation |
| 08:28.38 | Arrowmaster | you can |
| 08:28.39 | nevcairiel | so they don't steal anything :D |
| 08:28.52 | nevcairiel | btw you mentioned mapster, i don't see them translating stuff there |
| 08:29.04 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/projects/mapster/localization/translators/ |
| 08:29.11 | Arrowmaster | it was like last month |
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| 08:29.50 | digmouse | see the activity log, a guy named wowuicn add a period to the original translation |
| 08:30.35 | NeoTron | to play devils advocate - should the period be there? |
| 08:30.42 | digmouse | so the purpose is just to make sure his name is in, and I swear they stole lots of thing before |
| 08:30.42 | Kalroth | period. |
| 08:30.50 | nevcairiel | All i see from wowuicn is created translations |
| 08:30.51 | nevcairiel | no edits |
| 08:31.09 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/admin/activities/localization_translation-84237-simplified-chinese-zh-cn/ |
| 08:31.10 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/admin/activities/localization_translation-84355-simplified-chinese-zh-cn/ |
| 08:31.13 | Arrowmaster | nev ^^ |
| 08:31.40 | Arrowmaster | i wish you could see activity log for a translation and not have it restricted to a person too |
| 08:32.15 | nevcairiel | whats http://www.wowace.com/admin/activities/localization_localization-194-localization/ good for then |
| 08:32.36 | Arrowmaster | nothing it seems |
| 08:32.44 | nevcairiel | searching for wowuicn only gets me a bunch of creates |
| 08:32.47 | Arrowmaster | everything is a create if it changes the text i think |
| 08:32.56 | nevcairiel | nah there are edits too |
| 08:33.13 | nevcairiel | Changed text from Cache la texture entourant la cr to Cache les textures entourant la CarteLocale, ne laissant que la map en elle-même. |
| 08:33.17 | nevcairiel | like that is an edit entry |
| 08:33.17 | Arrowmaster | something seems broken |
| 08:33.30 | Arrowmaster | because it was an edit |
| 08:34.34 | digmouse | I should not edit the line before reporting :( |
| 08:34.43 | nevcairiel | I still don't see why anyone would even do that |
| 08:34.48 | nevcairiel | their names do not show up anywhere |
| 08:34.52 | nevcairiel | they do not get stuff for it |
| 08:35.05 | nevcairiel | all they get for translations is a working mod |
| 08:35.19 | Jamash | maybe they really feel strongly about periods |
| 08:35.53 | Arrowmaster | how about the translator that always added a comment claiming all the chinese translations were from the cdwg site or something, even adding that name to the toc |
| 08:36.16 | digmouse | Arrowmaster: that thing is gone, never will. |
| 08:36.20 | nevcairiel | Yeah well thats gone now with the system anyway |
| 08:36.27 | digmouse | I'll show the exact thing the next time I got them. |
| 08:36.38 | nevcairiel | I had translators add their name as a comment to the locale file, nothing wrong with that |
| 08:36.48 | nevcairiel | except that my babble scripts that i used locally removed it again, hehe |
| 08:36.53 | Arrowmaster | well he says this is another site thats translating stuff |
| 08:37.10 | smoke_ | is there an addon now that changes the zoning text ? i was watching a stream off mmo-champion and this guy looked like he had it modifed somehow |
| 08:37.31 | digmouse | I dongt agree actions like adding comments declaring things personally, but I hate stealing. |
| 08:37.32 | nevcairiel | The text on the loading screen? |
| 08:37.41 | Sinj | I don't mean to highjack anything here, but would someone be interested in helping me making the lua for my idea? - Using wowuides i've made a crude interface (which is all i need, really) |
| 08:40.06 | digmouse | smoke_: sounds like a mod, maybe not an addon |
| 08:40.47 | Thunder_Child | "I'm not a common street hooker! I am a self employed roadside massage therapist" |
| 08:40.47 | smoke_ | ah, k |
| 08:41.31 | digmouse | Personally I dont know if an addon can modify that, since most addons are not loaded at that time. |
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| 08:58.16 | Sinj | oops, sorry, thunder_child |
| 08:58.23 | Thunder_Child | nice |
| 08:58.28 | Thunder_Child | HACKER! |
| 08:58.33 | Sinj | <.< |
| 08:58.40 | Thunder_Child | :p |
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| 09:03.24 | Sinj | I have this idea that what I want to do is really simple - mostly it's got nothing to do with ingame-functions, but I really don't know how to start with all of this - basically, all i need is a line at the bottom of item tooltips that goes like this: Weightscale sum: X (where X = scale factors multiplied with that item's specific stats) |
| 09:03.54 | Sinj | and then ofc a window where i can set the scale factors (which i've already made) |
| 09:04.15 | Sinj | Think I should give up, or is it possible for a complete lua-noob like me? |
| 09:04.57 | ZorbaGama | sinj, I guess the determining factor is, are you a lua noob, or a programming noob? 'cause lua's really really easy to learn. programming, less so. |
| 09:06.37 | Sinj | Prolly the latter, I have little to no experience, I just thought that editors could handle most of the hard work, but the more I try and immerse myself into understanding it, the more confuzzled I get |
| 09:06.39 | Sinj | *faints* |
| 09:07.18 | Arrowmaster | nope, 'smart' editors will do nothing but cause even more trouble |
| 09:07.25 | Sinj | :) |
| 09:09.47 | ZorbaGama | yeah, the editor isn't gonna be able to do it for ya. programming is nasty. :) really, the options you've got are to find someone interested in doing it, or learn on your own. and both will, I'm sorry to say, be difficult :) |
| 09:10.13 | ZorbaGama | I thought there were already UI mods that could give you item values based on some metrics, though |
| 09:10.20 | Arrowmaster | there are |
| 09:10.44 | Sinj | I've been looking but I guess they're rare |
| 09:10.51 | Arrowmaster | pawn is one of them but afaik not all classes have good models built for them |
| 09:11.07 | Arrowmaster | i think its pawn |
| 09:11.13 | Arrowmaster | or was it rawr |
| 09:11.24 | Arrowmaster | some 4 letter name |
| 09:11.27 | Sinj | ah, let's see here...Pawn seems nice |
| 09:11.47 | Arrowmaster | maybe it was both |
| 09:11.58 | nevcairiel | rawr is an out-of-game tool |
| 09:11.58 | ecs | o noes i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle |
| 09:12.04 | Sinj | anyways, thanks for not flaming me, I know it must be annoying to have someone like me come in and disturb ya |
| 09:12.34 | Tewan | nah, I do it all the time |
| 09:12.35 | Tewan | :P |
| 09:13.04 | Sinj | Actually, Pawn seems to do all that stuff I wanted to implement, it's just weird cause i thought i had been looking everywhere |
| 09:14.27 | Sinj | Anyways, I bid you adiou, gentlemen :) Maybe I'll see ya once I wrap my head around this some more (not likely tho :() |
| 09:14.28 | Sinj | :) |
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| 09:15.05 | Tewan | hmm |
| 09:15.10 | Tewan | I might just go to blizzcon this year |
| 09:15.21 | Jamash | it's worth it |
| 09:15.54 | Tewan | only thing is money |
| 09:15.55 | Elkano | though it may be worth it, if you aren't living in America, it will be damn expensive I think :/ |
| 09:16.04 | Tewan | How much are tickets, normally? |
| 09:16.45 | Tewan | 100$ |
| 09:17.55 | Cairenn | approx, yes |
| 09:18.12 | Tewan | hmm, so driving would cost around 100$ of gass |
| 09:18.19 | Tewan | then hotel/food |
| 09:18.28 | Tewan | (200$ gas round-trip) |
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| 09:38.16 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: fyi, I added an optimization to the dot file my Lua script produces so that the two edges that come from 2 sectors being a bi-directional warp now produces only one edge with two arrows |
| 09:38.27 | Shirik | going to also run this on fdp which might produce a better graph |
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| 09:44.04 | Maldivia | hmm, BlizzCon - think I'll skip it |
| 09:45.25 | nevcairiel | I would love to go, but i don't have the money to fly over from europe |
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| 09:47.38 | Maldivia | same - and well, I'll be in France that week, and I'm already going to one conference in California this year, that has to be enough |
| 09:47.47 | Tewan | god, I love vertical health bar |
| 09:47.47 | Tewan | s |
| 09:47.54 | Tewan | but pitbull is absolutely horrible for it |
| 09:48.03 | Tewan | I finally got a layout of it that I like |
| 09:48.35 | Tewan | now I have no idea where I'll put my minimap though |
| 09:49.08 | Maldivia | hmm, haven't really looked into it, but with the new animation and rotation etc, can you make a normal horizontal bar, rotate it 90 degrees and get a vertical bar instead? |
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| 09:49.26 | Tewan | Maldivia: Pitbull4? |
| 09:49.31 | Tewan | I haven't tried it, if so |
| 09:49.46 | nevcairiel | I guess that should be possible |
| 09:49.56 | Tewan | and unless it was updated a day or two ago, then I have no rotate options |
| 09:50.04 | Maldivia | Tewan: was thinking wow 3.1 widget changes |
| 09:50.11 | Tewan | oh |
| 09:50.17 | Tewan | sec, I'll screenshot my current bars |
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| 09:52.31 | Maldivia | I think I need to play with the new animation api a bit, see how it actually works :) |
| 09:55.13 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 09:55.14 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 09:56.18 | nevcairiel | Hm login seems to be broken now <.< |
| 09:59.00 | Tewan | http://tewan.info/currentpartybars.jpg |
| 10:04.07 | Arrowmaster | http://notalwaysright.com/deceptive-desserts/1675 |
| 10:04.09 | Arrowmaster | epic |
| 10:04.46 | Tewan | lmao |
| 10:04.51 | Tewan | THE CAKE HERE IS A LIE |
| 10:05.15 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 10:05.48 | Tewan | Arrowmaster: I posted in another channel that link |
| 10:05.49 | Tewan | :P |
| 10:05.57 | Tewan | you're in there too |
| 10:06.41 | Cairenn | I really like this one: http://notalwaysright.com/for-my-next-trick/1470 |
| 10:07.22 | Cairenn | and this one: http://notalwaysright.com/thank-you-for-shopping-at-apocalypsemart/1191 |
| 10:07.33 | Industrial | is it can be patchday? or just maintenance (eu) |
| 10:07.44 | Cairenn | Industrial: maintenance |
| 10:07.47 | Industrial | :( |
| 10:07.48 | Tewan | hah |
| 10:08.01 | nevcairiel | indy still lives under his rock |
| 10:08.08 | Industrial | <-- |
| 10:08.57 | Fisker- | y helo thar? |
| 10:09.09 | Tewan | Fisker-: y helo thar |
| 10:10.47 | Fisker- | http://notalwaysright.com/homework-for-super-villainy-101/1689 <-i lol'd |
| 10:11.25 | Fisker- | http://notalwaysright.com/cod-4-trout-at-war/1688 <-even worse ;_; |
| 10:11.59 | nevcairiel | ah man maint extended for another 2 hours |
| 10:12.15 | nevcairiel | Guess i'll have to do some real work now <.< |
| 10:12.24 | Fisker- | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 10:12.29 | Fisker- | Then i have free time to play H.A.W.X |
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| 10:14.02 | Fisker- | http://notalwaysright.com/quantity-does-not-equal-quality/1682 <- :( |
| 10:14.23 | Arrowmaster | http://notalwaysright.com/your-infrastructure-dollars-at-work/1666 |
| 10:15.49 | Industrial | I dont like how they put stars on the words fuck hell damnation bitch etc. |
| 10:17.24 | Arrowmaster | i have a felling Cairenn will find this one cute |
| 10:17.27 | Arrowmaster | http://notalwaysright.com/you-can-never-be-too-careful/1662 |
| 10:17.41 | krka | don't be mean and wake her up at this hour |
| 10:17.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:17.55 | Arrowmaster | she doesnt sleep |
| 10:18.15 | Maldivia | lol ! |
| 10:18.21 | krka | which is the problem! |
| 10:19.00 | Arrowmaster | http://notalwaysright.com/university-of-homer-simpson/1661 |
| 10:19.03 | Arrowmaster | haha |
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| 10:23.43 | Fisker- | http://notalwaysright.com/allergy-season-nightmare/1684 <-win |
| 10:24.18 | krka | let's post links to all the of the internet! |
| 10:25.54 | Maldivia | http://google.com <-- there you go, that links to a large part of it :) |
| 10:28.22 | Cairenn | speaking of me not sleeping |
| 10:32.00 | ZorbaGama | I assume there's no known way to detect Cold Weather Flying? |
| 10:32.47 | ZorbaGama | oh hey there's an icon in the general tab, hmm |
| 10:33.02 | nevcairiel | Yeah you can just check the spell book |
| 10:33.13 | ZorbaGama | now I need to figure out how to do that programatically ;) |
| 10:33.33 | ZorbaGama | but that gives me enough to start with, thanks |
| 10:34.35 | nevcairiel | local spell = GetSpellInfo(i, "spell"); while spell do if spell = "Cold weather flying then print"hurray"; break; else i = i + 1; spell = GetSpellInfo(i, "spell") end |
| 10:34.42 | Maldivia | try GetSpellInfo("Cold Weather Flying"), afaik, GetSpellInfo returns null for spell names, unless you know that spell |
| 10:34.44 | nevcairiel | I guessed at some api calls |
| 10:34.52 | nevcairiel | that might work too |
| 10:35.01 | ZorbaGama | maldivia, needs to be internationalized, which complicates things a little |
| 10:35.13 | nevcairiel | GetSpellInfo(id) before to get the name |
| 10:35.26 | Maldivia | GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(weatherSpellId)) |
| 10:35.32 | ZorbaGama | I feel like there's something a little silly about doing that, but if it works, hey :D |
| 10:35.43 | nevcairiel | GetSpellInfo(54197) <-- cold weather flying |
| 10:36.06 | Aelobin | reckon it'd be ok to completely replace all the arena functions with custom ones on a character below level 80? for the main purpose of putting other data in the arena frame |
| 10:36.26 | nevcairiel | You know you can arena before 80 too |
| 10:36.37 | Maldivia | Aelobin: why not just create your own frame? |
| 10:36.37 | Aelobin | well.. below 70 then? :P |
| 10:37.00 | Aelobin | Maldivia: i'm not all the great at GUIs and this would make it look exactly like a blizzard arena team :P |
| 10:37.26 | Aelobin | i guess i could run the function im gonna replace, if it returns anything then don't replace that function? |
| 10:37.29 | Maldivia | I have no idea how that frame even looks, haven't set foot in an arena for over a year :9 |
| 10:37.36 | Aelobin | xD |
| 10:37.48 | Aelobin | it's not in the arena itself, its the one in your honor tab that hold team data |
| 10:37.55 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 10:38.30 | Maldivia | aren't there some kind of unit frames for arean opponents now, when you are in an arena ? |
| 10:38.36 | Aelobin | normally everyones like "=o gotta be careful when hooking functions like that" :P so i was just wondering if it was "safe" |
| 10:39.01 | Aelobin | hmm i dno 0_o |
| 10:39.11 | Maldivia | well, that frame is purely information, so don't think you can taint anything important that way |
| 10:39.26 | Aelobin | hmm kk |
| 10:40.44 | ZorbaGama | hmm, is there a place I'm not aware of to find internationalized secondary-skill names? I'm trying to iterate through the skill list to find out what level of riding the player has, but the string "riding" doesn't exist in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 10:40.56 | ZorbaGama | (or, rather, it does, but only as part of complicated error messages) |
| 10:40.59 | Industrial | http://notalwaysright.com/kids-this-is-what-we-call-scapegoating/1042 |
| 10:41.01 | Industrial | lol@this |
| 10:41.53 | Maldivia | ZorbaGama: http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=9.762 <-- then change the language in the upper right corner :9 |
| 10:42.20 | Aelobin | ZorbaGama: GetNumSkillLines() / GetSkillLineInfo(index) ? :P |
| 10:42.34 | ZorbaGama | I was not hoping to end up with this hardcoded :P |
| 10:42.55 | Maldivia | ZorbaGama: check for the spell id's then :) |
| 10:42.57 | ZorbaGama | aelobin, there's no fixed index for riding |
| 10:43.17 | Aelobin | but if you cycle through them all until the second function returns "Riding" ? |
| 10:43.21 | ZorbaGama | I have to check the names, and I can't find a place where I can just get the word "Riding" reliably |
| 10:43.26 | ZorbaGama | aelobin, internationalized, remember |
| 10:43.31 | Aelobin | ah :< |
| 10:43.31 | ZorbaGama | in Chinese, it's not "Riding". |
| 10:43.56 | ZorbaGama | and there's no spell named "Riding" either, they all have modifiers attached. if I have to I'll just search for a substring, but I'm not 100% convinced this will work on all languages |
| 10:44.56 | Arrowmaster | hahaha http://notalwaysright.com/random-acts-of-drunkenness/1625 |
| 10:45.00 | nevcairiel | Get people to do translations for you |
| 10:45.05 | Aelobin | anyone know where "The Arena Battle has begun!" is stored as a localized version? |
| 10:45.18 | Maldivia | ZorbaGama: is it just riding you're after? |
| 10:45.19 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 10:45.26 | ZorbaGama | maldivia, in this case, yeah |
| 10:45.31 | Aelobin | dam :< |
| 10:45.44 | ZorbaGama | dammit why does wowhead not include chinese :P |
| 10:46.45 | Maldivia | ZorbaGama: if riding is not a spell in general (so you can check for the existiance of the different ranks), you can always just do a check if the player can use the mount items, just have one of each type (land, epic land, flying, epic flying) |
| 10:46.51 | Aelobin | ZorbaGama: any idea what GetSkillLineInfo(skillIndex) returns for skillName and skillDescription? |
| 10:47.19 | Aelobin | because it says skillDescription is localised, but skillName it doesn't say that |
| 10:47.29 | nevcairiel | its probably is too |
| 10:47.48 | ZorbaGama | aelobin, I'm going to guess it is, because I can't find it in the globalstrings |
| 10:47.56 | ZorbaGama | the localized name has to come from somewhere, and I'm guessing it's here |
| 10:48.15 | ZorbaGama | maldivia, that's not a bad idea - I don't suppose you know the function for that? |
| 10:48.34 | ZorbaGama | (if not I'll go try to find it) |
| 10:49.37 | Maldivia | IsUsableItem / IsUsableSpell |
| 10:49.55 | Maldivia | although IsUsableSpell might take flyable area into account for flying mounts |
| 10:50.05 | Maldivia | (and indoors/outdoors for land mounts) |
| 10:53.05 | Aelobin | also affected by combat? |
| 10:53.43 | Maldivia | well, the items are just recipes now, so they can be used anywhere (although they have faction restrictions) |
| 10:54.43 | Maldivia | Or simply check if the riding achievements have been completed or not! |
| 10:54.59 | Maldivia | that's probably the simplest solution |
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| 10:58.59 | Maldivia | ZorbaGama: Soemthing like: local ridingLevel = (select(4,GetAchievementInfo(892)) and 300) or (select(4,GetAchievementInfo(890)) and 225) or (select(4,GetAchievementInfo(889)) and 150) or (select(4,GetAchievementInfo(891)) and 75) or 0 |
| 10:59.59 | ZorbaGama | oh, achievements! clever :D |
| 11:00.25 | ZorbaGama | that is a very good idea there |
| 11:03.28 | ZorbaGama | works perfectly, thanks tons :) |
| 11:06.34 | Aelobin | can level 70s still be in arena teams if they haven't bought WotLK? |
| 11:17.30 | Maldivia | yes |
| 11:18.04 | Maldivia | or... actually |
| 11:18.08 | Maldivia | not sure :) |
| 11:20.16 | nevcairiel | You stayed in your lvl 70 arena team without wotlk |
| 11:20.22 | nevcairiel | you only got kicked out once you level to 71 |
| 11:24.59 | Aelobin | hmm ok |
| 11:26.58 | Jamash | bleh, I need four thousand runecloth |
| 11:27.19 | Aelobin | what for 0.o |
| 11:27.26 | Jamash | gettin' exalted with silvermoon |
| 11:28.37 | Jamash | that's for later, though, it's bedtime now |
| 11:28.40 | Jamash | g'night all |
| 11:30.13 | Aelobin | with a string indexed table, is there anyway to call them via a number (in order) |
| 11:30.25 | Aelobin | rather than having to traverse the table each time |
| 11:30.47 | ZorbaGama | there's no defined order |
| 11:30.52 | ZorbaGama | so, no :) |
| 11:31.57 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 11:32.01 | Aelobin | but they'll stay in the same order? |
| 11:38.44 | ZorbaGama | I'm pretty sure that's only tentatively defined at best. specifically, I strongly suspect that any ordering guarantees go out the window the second you add or remove a key |
| 11:39.17 | ZorbaGama | it *may* be guaranteed that traversing the same table twice in a row without modifying the keys at all will give you the same order. |
| 11:39.28 | Aelobin | that's what i'm wanting xD |
| 11:43.16 | Maldivia | hvad have a string as the key, if you want to look it up by an integer index? |
| 11:43.26 | Maldivia | s/hvad/why/ |
| 11:44.21 | Aelobin | i only need to look it up as an integer index once, every other time i need it as a string index |
| 11:44.49 | Aelobin | only reaosn i need it with an integer index is to traverse the members table to find which member it's asking for in a functin <_> |
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| 11:45.48 | sioraiocht | how does one mix "hvad" and "why"? heh |
| 11:46.09 | Aelobin | lol |
| 11:48.21 | zenzio | because he starts to think in his own language, then forgets when he's typing it out? |
| 11:49.05 | Aelobin | ah crap |
| 11:49.21 | Aelobin | if i'm replacing a global function, i can't use local variables within it can i? |
| 11:49.33 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 11:49.38 | Aelobin | oh you can? :P |
| 11:49.46 | Aelobin | what if the function is called from outside the addon though |
| 11:50.38 | ZorbaGama | that's totally okay, it does the "variable binding" at the time the function is created. local q function hello() print(q) end -- q will refer to the local q defined right above it, no matter where it's called from |
| 11:51.39 | Aelobin | so if i declare some locals at the start of the addon, then later on i overwrite a blizzard function and within that function it uses those locals |
| 11:51.46 | Aelobin | it'll work when the UI calls that blizz function? |
| 11:52.03 | ZorbaGama | yup |
| 11:52.11 | ZorbaGama | or, at the very least, it won't start looking at the wrong variables |
| 11:52.20 | ZorbaGama | I can't guarantee it will *work*, but that bug, at least, won't occur ;) |
| 11:52.23 | Aelobin | ok cool |
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| 12:00.15 | Aelobin | how would you tell the UI to show a certain static popup frame? |
| 12:00.24 | Sargeras | Dolby: http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0903lajkszg/event/index.html |
| 12:01.34 | jnwhiteh | ~g wowwiki static popup |
| 12:04.44 | Aelobin | :) |
| 12:04.53 | jnwhiteh | its right on wowwiki |
| 12:04.57 | jnwhiteh | not sure what it doesn't answer |
| 12:06.30 | Aelobin | yeh i know, ty :) |
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| 12:51.26 | Aelobin | why so quiet =o |
| 12:52.13 | Aelobin | oh, realms are back up xD |
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| 13:08.57 | Aelobin | ZorbaGama: remember that thing about global functions with local variables earlier? |
| 13:09.05 | Aelobin | it seems to be working but it's returning an error 0.o |
| 13:09.24 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 13:09.30 | Aelobin | =o |
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| 13:09.55 | ZorbaGama | aelobin, well, debug ;) |
| 13:10.02 | Aelobin | XD |
| 13:10.12 | Aelobin | i guess it's probably just some stupid typo ive made |
| 13:12.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. Spring break is half over almost, yay. |
| 13:12.43 | Lunessa | Today is last work-in-the-office day until Saturday's Day-Waster shift. |
| 13:14.23 | Lopeppeppy | What do you do Thursday and Friday then? |
| 13:16.52 | Aelobin | anyone know how many Arena emblems/borders there are |
| 13:17.31 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Well, play your cards right... |
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| 13:34.01 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/557/ |
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| 13:35.52 | Sargeras | that comic |
| 13:35.56 | Sargeras | will scary |
| 13:35.59 | Sargeras | is oh so true |
| 13:36.13 | Sargeras | I graduated 4 years ago and I still get them |
| 13:36.44 | Sargeras | will = while |
| 13:37.16 | Lunessa | I graduated 19 years ago, and I still get them. But not the green ranger one. |
| 13:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | I had some of those types of dream last night. |
| 13:40.23 | alestane | I had really odd dreams yesterday morning, but I have no idea anymore what they were about. |
| 13:42.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yug, I remember dreams far too easily. |
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| 13:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | Did they change dual specs on the PTR to be available at level 40? |
| 13:56.18 | Aelobin | ZorbaGama: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/734/epeenpvpframe.jpg result :D |
| 14:00.08 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: yes |
| 14:00.13 | Legorol | from what i heard |
| 14:00.41 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent fun. Oh well. |
| 14:01.12 | Aelobin | does it still cost 1kg at lvl 40? <_> |
| 14:01.34 | Legorol | i don't see why it would be cheaper at lower levels |
| 14:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | Probably. I hear lot of blues discussing how it should not be a trivial thing. |
| 14:01.46 | Legorol | it's clearly for alts |
| 14:01.47 | Aelobin | yeh but whos gonna pay 1kg on it at lvl 40 0_o |
| 14:01.57 | Lopeppeppy | Career twinks. |
| 14:02.03 | Legorol | not a first timer, nor is the feature intended for first timers |
| 14:02.13 | Aelobin | Legorol: i didn't say it was :P |
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| 14:02.32 | Legorol | i think the idea that you can get it sooner than 80 is great, and they had to draw the line somewhere |
| 14:02.34 | Aelobin | i still wouldn't pay 1kg on dual spec for a lvl 40 alt 0.o, you only really need 1 specc for lvlling tbh |
| 14:02.44 | Legorol | whether that's 1, 40 or 50 doesn't matter |
| 14:02.49 | Legorol | sure |
| 14:02.50 | ZorbaGama | aelobin, I would |
| 14:02.55 | Legorol | but you might want the dual spec at 60 |
| 14:03.01 | Aelobin | :P |
| 14:03.04 | ZorbaGama | I'm gonna be leveling a priest - I'll have a shadow and holy spec, in case I want to heal a dungeon |
| 14:03.12 | ZorbaGama | I'll be buying it eventually anyway, may as well do it at 40 |
| 14:03.13 | Legorol | yes, that's a good example |
| 14:03.25 | Legorol | same goes for tanking/dps |
| 14:03.32 | Legorol | this might make it easier actually to find groups for lowbie instances |
| 14:03.38 | Legorol | as not everyone will just have their leveling specs |
| 14:04.09 | Legorol | not that specs matter in lowbie instances, but people seem to care anyway |
| 14:04.56 | Legorol | If rumours are true, I love what they've done to fishing in 3.1 |
| 14:05.10 | Legorol | Making it possible to level in any water with any skill |
| 14:05.31 | Elkano | well, according to the patch notes on mmochampion ^^ |
| 14:05.33 | Legorol | No more camping out in SW because that's the fastest way to level fishing |
| 14:05.44 | Elkano | and they dropped the books and quests for 2nd proffesions |
| 14:05.45 | Aelobin | Elkano: what have they done? all i heard if you can get to 450 at like lvl 10 |
| 14:05.54 | Legorol | Elkano: only for fishing, not for cooking, afaik |
| 14:06.14 | Legorol | Aelobin: currently, in order to fish in an area, you need to have a minimum fishing skill appropriate for that area |
| 14:06.23 | Legorol | and to level up fishing, you need to successfully catch stuff |
| 14:06.33 | Legorol | ergo, you can't level in areas where you are too low level in skill |
| 14:06.52 | Legorol | The change in 3.1 is that you can fish in *any* area with *any* skill, just if your skill is too low, you will catch junk instead of fish |
| 14:06.54 | Lunessa | *sigh* People - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661691971&sid=1 |
| 14:07.21 | Legorol | ergo, you will be able to level up in any area (since you have successful catches), without rendering the skill-area relationship meaningless |
| 14:07.36 | Aelobin | xD |
| 14:07.54 | Legorol | it also becomes possible for a skill 1 fisher to catch some useful fish from high level areas on rare occasions, but that's not a very practical aspect of the change |
| 14:08.20 | Aelobin | so a lvl 1 fisher could theoretically get the dalaran sewer rat if they were lucky enough? |
| 14:08.29 | Legorol | yes |
| 14:08.37 | Legorol | would have to be incredibly lucky though |
| 14:08.47 | Aelobin | ^^ |
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| 14:09.16 | Legorol | just like a skill 1 fisher could go to Dragonblight and start fishing for Dragonfin, but most of the time they'd just catch junk |
| 14:09.22 | Legorol | everyone now and again, they might get lucky |
| 14:09.29 | Linlord94 | Does the latest Gatherer !3.1) support 3.0.8? |
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| 14:09.48 | Legorol | Linlord94: i don't have any problem with it in 3.0.8, seems to work fine |
| 14:10.24 | Wobin | Is the armoury broken for anyone else? |
| 14:10.30 | Legorol | Wobin: US or EU? |
| 14:10.34 | Wobin | US |
| 14:10.51 | Legorol | works fine for me |
| 14:11.11 | Legorol | give me a char name i can search for |
| 14:11.18 | [draco] | fine here, too |
| 14:11.20 | Wobin | snuustome |
| 14:11.42 | Legorol | hm, it does indeed appear to be borked beyond the opening page |
| 14:11.51 | Legorol | comes up with a half-cut off error message |
| 14:12.06 | [draco] | what he said |
| 14:12.32 | Lunessa | Forums are borked too. |
| 14:12.33 | Maldivia | the server doesn't reply when actually trying to view a profile ther |
| 14:12.55 | Wobin | hm, alas |
| 14:12.55 | Maldivia | and if it replies, it's with the the error message |
| 14:12.59 | Wobin | I'll try later then |
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| 14:19.58 | Lopeppeppy | That will teach a forum poster to pick on Seerah! |
| 14:20.19 | Lunessa | Like I said, you ain't seen hostile yet. :) |
| 14:21.01 | Lopeppeppy | For serious, do not mess with Unkle. |
| 14:22.53 | Lunessa | <HomieTheClown> Unkle don't play! </HomieTheClown> |
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| 14:26.08 | DWSR | hey all |
| 14:26.37 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 14:26.44 | DWSR | Afternoon, evening. |
| 14:26.48 | DWSR | Whatever time it is where you are. |
| 14:27.00 | Lunessa | ~UGT |
| 14:27.01 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 14:27.06 | Maldivia | Lunessa: grrr... |
| 14:27.24 | Lunessa | Hrm? |
| 14:27.30 | Maldivia | Lunessa: I was about to write that :9 |
| 14:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | Too slow! |
| 14:27.55 | Lunessa | Hey, you rattled off lines of code yesterday while I was still typing the same solution. We're even. :P |
| 14:28.08 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 14:28.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 14:28.28 | DWSR | Never heard that. |
| 14:28.34 | DWSR | I always just use a time-neutral greeting. |
| 14:28.34 | DWSR | Hi |
| 14:28.36 | DWSR | etc. |
| 14:29.13 | Maldivia | "morning" is time-neutral :) |
| 14:29.25 | Lunessa | Also, this is IRC, not IMs. Please, feel free to use fewer lines by expanding on your thoughts before hitting "Enter" |
| 14:29.46 | DWSR | Lunessa: Yeah, was just thinking that to myself. Been a while since I've been on IRC. |
| 14:30.04 | DWSR | Then again, it's all just a wall of text anyway, isn't it? :P |
| 14:30.07 | Maldivia | another related time-neutral term: breakfast |
| 14:30.08 | Lunessa | No worries, I'm just a sarcastic asshat. |
| 14:30.19 | DWSR | Better than being an elitist jerk, or something. |
| 14:30.47 | Lunessa | I'm that too. But in here, I can't honestly say "I'm better than you." Too many guys in here who are better than me. |
| 14:30.59 | DWSR | You can still claim that you are better than me. |
| 14:31.09 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: you sure your name shouldn't be spelled with double-O then? |
| 14:31.16 | DWSR | That statement is relative between you and me, not you and anyone else. |
| 14:31.19 | Lunessa | I need to get to know you first. So I can have an opinion. |
| 14:31.45 | DWSR | You're obviously not the sarcastic asshat that you make yourself out to be. If you were an asshat, you would have an opinion formed when you saw the join notification. |
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| 14:32.06 | Aelobin | did Blizz post their new arena rating/points formula upon changing it? |
| 14:32.11 | Lunessa | No, I save that for ckknight. :P |
| 14:32.19 | DWSR | hehe :) |
| 14:32.41 | DWSR | Aelobin: Which formula are you talking about? I thought that they implemented a new 'hidden' rating system and that it was hidden for a reason. |
| 14:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | Hey! Your momma should have told you that trouts aren't for dual wielding. |
| 14:32.52 | Lunessa | Aelobin: I believe they have never posted the formula and any you have seen on the web are reverse-engineered from observation. |
| 14:33.02 | DWSR | ^ that. |
| 14:33.11 | Aelobin | ah right, they used to use the ELO system but obv it's changed now |
| 14:33.19 | DWSR | ELO? |
| 14:33.30 | Aelobin | is it ELO or have i not remembered right |
| 14:33.33 | Maldivia | hmm... something smells a bit fishy in here... ;) |
| 14:33.44 | DWSR | So plz, 'splain for the newb. |
| 14:34.02 | Aelobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELO_rating_system international chess rating system |
| 14:34.09 | Lunessa | Maldivia: That's so bad I ought to slap you with a bottle of tequila. |
| 14:34.25 | [draco] | electric light orchestra -.-" |
| 14:34.29 | Aelobin | i had all the formulas sorted in my addon, thanks to wowwiki, but now they changed it and wowwiki hasnt updated |
| 14:34.32 | DWSR | Oh, it's Elo, not ELO. |
| 14:34.40 | DWSR | I thought you meant an acronym. |
| 14:34.41 | Maldivia | [draco]: hehe, yeah - I started humming Mr blue sky when I read elo :) |
| 14:34.55 | Lopeppeppy | I was thinking Electric Light Orchestra. I'm a hippie. |
| 14:34.57 | Lunessa | Love is like Oxygen... |
| 14:34.58 | Aelobin | xD |
| 14:35.47 | Aelobin | i wanted to make the ratings/points in this addon the same as at 80 but now i gotta right the formulas again <_> |
| 14:36.20 | DWSR | It could be worse. Blizzard could have broken your addons with their API changes. *shudders at memory of WoW 2.0 changes* |
| 14:36.27 | DWSR | My precious precious UI. |
| 14:36.37 | Aelobin | :P |
| 14:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | It's their game, they can break the toys if they choose. I rather like it when they do, actually. |
| 14:36.46 | Maldivia | DWSR: the 2.0 changere was needed though |
| 14:36.53 | DWSR | Doesn't make them any prettier. |
| 14:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | A fresh new crop of well-coded up to date addons, yummy |
| 14:37.05 | DWSR | A pile of s*** by any other name still smells as bad. |
| 14:37.33 | DWSR | Regardless, I'm hoping Outfitter doesn't go away. |
| 14:38.09 | Aelobin | it won't, i highly doubt blizz's version does automatic gear switching |
| 14:38.21 | DWSR | I'm hoping that it just needs a rewrite to do less legwork. Outfitter is probably one of my favourite addons. Not having to deal with resist pieces or PvP sets is so joyous. I'll never know how I got along without it. |
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| 14:38.48 | DWSR | Probably not, but I'm sure that Outfitter is horribly broken on PTR atm. |
| 14:39.13 | Maldivia | my problem with equipment managers is that I always forget to update they sets when I get an upgrade, so when I switch to that set later, it equips my old item instead :9 |
| 14:39.15 | Lopeppeppy | You could go to the PTR, install it, and then post any errors or observations on the Outfitter download page for the author to work with. |
| 14:39.25 | DWSR | Speaking of PTR, speculations on when 3.1 comes out? I'm convinced 3-4 weeks, but I've heard people estimate higher than that. |
| 14:39.44 | Lopeppeppy | Bliz never announces it ahead of time, DWSR. Any guesses are just sheer guesswork. |
| 14:39.49 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Just got into a new raiding guild, so my schedule isn't really conducive to that kind of behaviour. |
| 14:39.51 | Maldivia | original plan was first week of April, but I think they are planning to push it a few weeks |
| 14:39.55 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Speculation is just that, speculation. |
| 14:40.19 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. You can't predict, so why waste breath guessing? *gentle shrug* Real Soon Now (tm). |
| 14:40.23 | zenzio | I'm betting 3.1 will be out in 1-52 weeks |
| 14:40.31 | DWSR | hah zenzio |
| 14:41.35 | Maldivia | well, considering 3.1 contains changes to noblegarden, it would be a good guess that they originally planned the patch so it would be out before Easter, which they have also confirmed on the forums, and that they are considering pushing noblegarden event, so it will run after the patch |
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| 14:42.16 | DWSR | I recall seeing a post that said that the noblegarden event will launch the weekend immediately following the patch release. |
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| 14:43.01 | nevcairiel | DWSR: if the patch gets out way before easter, i doubt that theory =) |
| 14:43.03 | Aelobin | have downloads started for 3.1 or 3.0.9? |
| 14:43.16 | nevcairiel | 3.0.9 has been out like 3 weeks? |
| 14:43.20 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Easter is the 2nd weekend in April. I doubt it will be out before then. |
| 14:43.33 | Aelobin | oh, shows how much i pay attention :p |
| 14:43.35 | DWSR | Aelobin: 3.0.9 has been out for a while now. 3.1 is now available for pre-download however. |
| 14:43.35 | Maldivia | DWSR: and that opinion would be? :) |
| 14:43.45 | Aelobin | if we're downloading 3.1 now then i can't see it being too long |
| 14:43.51 | DWSR | Maldivia: It's not a well-formed opinion.... :P |
| 14:43.52 | Aelobin | my guess is 2-3 weeks p |
| 14:43.54 | Aelobin | * :P |
| 14:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen predownload be 4+ weeks. They will take however long it takes. |
| 14:44.12 | Maldivia | we're downloading the finished music, textures/art etc - and there are A LOT of that |
| 14:44.21 | DWSR | Aelobin: Exactly. But 550mb for only part of the patch? This thing's going to be flippin' huge! |
| 14:44.25 | ckknight | what is said opinion? |
| 14:44.40 | DWSR | Thanks for being a good addon author, or something. :P |
| 14:44.43 | Maldivia | ckknight: could be that you are blue ? |
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| 14:45.00 | DWSR | Hey Ackis |
| 14:45.02 | nevcairiel | DWSR: well alot of artwork and new music |
| 14:45.12 | DWSR | nevcairiel: How much is a lot? |
| 14:45.14 | Aelobin | nevcairiel: what for? other than ulduar |
| 14:45.14 | ckknight | Maldivia: da ba dee da ba die |
| 14:45.25 | nevcairiel | Aelobin: ulduar is a big place |
| 14:45.32 | Aelobin | oh :P |
| 14:45.37 | DWSR | ckknight! :D |
| 14:45.49 | ckknight | hmm? |
| 14:45.58 | ckknight | awfully confused, here |
| 14:46.05 | DWSR | nevcairiel: 550mb of music + textures compressed is a lot. Either I'm seriously underestimating the size/variety of environments in Ulduar, or something else. |
| 14:46.12 | Lunessa | Tiae has already said he's working on a new version of Outfitter FYI |
| 14:46.14 | DWSR | Because I know that 550mb of music is an absolute ton. |
| 14:46.22 | nevcairiel | DWSR: well get an MPQ viewer and have a peek :) |
| 14:46.28 | DWSR | Lunessa: Figured, thanks for the heads up. :) |
| 14:46.31 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Link? |
| 14:46.37 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 14:46.38 | Aelobin | WinMPQ @ google |
| 14:46.41 | DWSR | Thanks. |
| 14:47.02 | Aelobin | but yeh 550mb seems a lot to me too :P |
| 14:47.15 | Aelobin | how big is Ulduar? BT size? |
| 14:47.18 | DWSR | I'm trying to get into mod development. I'm going to assume I should wait until after 3.1 hits to start actually writing anything (assuming that I'm not willing to download the PTR). |
| 14:47.39 | Thrae | That remninds me -- WoW has been crashing for me ever since I disabled my page file. It seems every now and then WoW wants to try and allocate an additional 4GB of memory and, instead of just not doing that, it crashes. Considering it already uses 3GB I don't know why the other 4GB is needed. But I still have 2GB free when I run WoW (out of 6). |
| 14:47.46 | Aelobin | there isn't that many major changes in 3.1 i don't think, lots of animation functions though |
| 14:48.04 | Lunessa | DWSR: Nah, hit up WoWProgramming.com, WoWCompares.com and WoWWiki.com and get to work. |
| 14:48.11 | DWSR | Aelobin: If I'm going to write an Ace addon, would anything even change? |
| 14:48.31 | Aelobin | no idea xD i've not worked with libraries much, other than ones i have wrote myself |
| 14:48.41 | Aelobin | is it "wrote" or "written" ? 0_o |
| 14:48.49 | DWSR | written. |
| 14:48.54 | Maldivia | Thrae: on Windows - if so, wow can't allocate more than 2gb (3gb if you tweaked your boot options) |
| 14:48.56 | Aelobin | xD |
| 14:49.08 | DWSR | Maldivia: Why not? |
| 14:49.22 | Maldivia | DWSR: because it's an 32-bit application |
| 14:49.24 | Lunessa | Bah, I posted a link yesterday about new UI changes, that was a main site link for WoW, but I can't find it again and the forums are fubar. |
| 14:49.44 | DWSR | Maldivia: So? |
| 14:49.51 | DWSR | Maldivia: There are ways around that. |
| 14:49.52 | Thrae | DWSR: The API can change on Ace2, but Ace3 is mostly stable if you use the tags and not external link directly to /trunk. |
| 14:50.02 | Aelobin | Lunessa: i lost that link too <_> |
| 14:50.09 | Aelobin | was looking for it yesterday |
| 14:50.12 | Thrae | DWSR: Dongle is another library that was made not to change either if you used tags. |
| 14:50.16 | Lunessa | ~logs |
| 14:50.17 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 14:50.30 | DWSR | Thrae: What's the difference between 2 and 3, other than the number? |
| 14:50.59 | DWSR | ffs. WinMPQ depends on some DLL that I don't have. |
| 14:51.02 | Thrae | Maldivia: Yeah that's another thing -- why is it trying to allocate over 4GB? It's a 32-bit application. I doubt it can recognize I have a 64-bit operating system. |
| 14:51.18 | Aelobin | dll files are free and fast to download :P |
| 14:51.25 | DWSR | Aelobin: Still a PITA to have to find. |
| 14:51.33 | Thrae | Maldivia: Well sometimes it is less then 3GB, but the error message makes it seem like it's trying to allocate additional memory and not just increasing its total memory. |
| 14:51.42 | Aelobin | google and youll probably get the same site for all of them :p |
| 14:51.50 | Lunessa | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ui.html |
| 14:51.51 | nevcairiel | get myWinMPQ from wowi |
| 14:51.54 | Lunessa | Logs rule. |
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| 14:52.07 | DWSR | It would be really nice if it gave me all of the depdency errors at the same time. |
| 14:52.17 | DWSR | Because you can install 1 DLL, then run again and get another missing DLL. |
| 14:52.18 | Thrae | DWSR: Usually when you go from 2.0 to 3.0 you get major changes (hence "major" version), and that's the case with Ace2 --> Ace3. |
| 14:52.20 | Maldivia | Thrae: mostly happens when you are flying and crosses a zone-line ? |
| 14:52.38 | Thrae | Maldivia: Exactly. Sometimes it'll happen when entering a new sub-zone, but only in Dal. |
| 14:52.57 | Lunessa | Ace3 Not the Same As Ace 2 - This time, its personal! |
| 14:53.05 | Thrae | I'd re-enable the pagefile if WoW wasn't the only program this occured on. |
| 14:53.12 | Maldivia | Thrae: what's your resolutions set to, and farclip ? |
| 14:53.14 | DWSR | Thrae: Why do you have it disabled? |
| 14:53.35 | Lunessa | Speed, Stability, Drive Life ... pick your poison. |
| 14:53.38 | Maldivia | Thrae: it happens to me if farclip is set to max |
| 14:53.40 | Thrae | DWSR: Because Windows erroneously uses swap when it doesn't need to. |
| 14:53.50 | Thrae | Maldivia: Yeah, everything's set to max @ 2560x1600. |
| 14:54.07 | Maldivia | Thrae: I've found that lowering farclip to 2/3 or so, and the problem goes away |
| 14:54.16 | Aelobin | "Automatically return to the location you left when the Battleground ends." anyone know what happens if someone queues you as group? |
| 14:54.19 | DWSR | Thrae: Set it to a static size? |
| 14:54.30 | Lunessa | Windows will use the swap file even if no apps are running, just services and OS junk. It's something to behold. |
| 14:54.31 | Maldivia | DWSR: Windows still swaps everything |
| 14:54.42 | DWSR | run Linux. |
| 14:54.44 | Thrae | It only happens like once per day so I guess it's something I'll have to live with. |
| 14:54.53 | Thrae | Maldivia: OK. I'd hate to do that on my setup but I'll try it. |
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| 14:55.11 | Maldivia | Thrae: hopefully the new engine in 3.1 will fix it |
| 14:55.11 | DWSR | If I didn't have to futz with X to get tablet support, I'd do it too. |
| 14:55.19 | DWSR | Oh, they're updating the graphics engine? |
| 14:55.43 | Thrae | They update the graphics engine regularly |
| 14:55.53 | Maldivia | well, this seems somewhat major |
| 14:55.56 | DWSR | I've never noticed a graphics or performance increase. |
| 14:55.57 | Thrae | Patches here and there. It's part of the patching process. |
| 14:56.06 | nevcairiel | Its not a bad thing if it swaps unused stuff out and caches apps in it that you use on a regular basis, imho anyway |
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| 14:56.26 | DWSR | Holy lordy. |
| 14:56.30 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: if you have 2gb free physical mem, there's no need to |
| 14:56.48 | DWSR | They're updating ALL of the character textures. |
| 14:56.50 | AckisWork | Cairenn|afk: can I upload a version called 1.0RC4.ackisisadumbassagain? |
| 14:56.52 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Yeah; but that's not how even Windows 7 works. |
| 14:56.54 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: then it just slows down the performance, due to unnecessary IO |
| 14:57.21 | Seerah | AckisWork: you can name your versions whatever you want :P (as long as they are appropriate ;) ) |
| 14:57.36 | AckisWork | Seerah: is dumbass appropiate? |
| 14:57.37 | AckisWork | lol |
| 14:57.41 | nevcairiel | i have mighty 60mb free, everything else is system cache |
| 14:57.43 | DWSR | Hey AckisWork: Can you update your Recipe List addon to work with ATSW? |
| 14:57.48 | nevcairiel | of 4gb |
| 14:57.51 | Thrae | For 99% users using swap regularly is a good thing, but I'm in that 1%. |
| 14:57.54 | Seerah | just covering my bases with "whatever you want" ;) |
| 14:58.06 | DWSR | OH. |
| 14:58.11 | DWSR | THAT'S WHY the update is so big. |
| 14:58.18 | DWSR | They're redoing all the map and character textures. |
| 14:58.18 | Aelobin | "Players will be able to switch between their chosen talents anywhere. " 0_0 |
| 14:58.20 | AckisWork | DWSR: it does, doesn't it? |
| 14:58.22 | alestane | DWSR: I noticed my pally's face changed when I copied her. |
| 14:58.28 | DWSR | AckisWork: Not that I've noticed. |
| 14:58.30 | durcyn | AckisWork: wowi has a strict no-blatant-self-deprecation policy, man. |
| 14:58.37 | AckisWork | Seerah: be good or I'll spam you with more invites!!! :P |
| 14:58.44 | AckisWork | durcyn: but I'm an exception |
| 14:58.48 | Seerah | ??? |
| 14:58.55 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Ouch. Of course if that's Vista or 7 it caches liberally like it should. |
| 14:59.08 | DWSR | AckisWork: When I tried out RL with ATSW, I got no button in the window. |
| 14:59.15 | DWSR | I disabled ATSW and it worked fine. |
| 14:59.18 | nevcairiel | vista, yea |
| 14:59.23 | Thrae | Aelobin: Where are you getting this? I heard it needed a Lexicon of Power or something like it. |
| 14:59.31 | DWSR | Thrae: It probably will. |
| 14:59.36 | Aelobin | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ui.html linked earlier :P |
| 14:59.36 | DWSR | But that's still 'anywhere'. |
| 14:59.40 | AckisWork | DWSR: it should work, wher are you getting ATSW from btw? I may have not updated it with the "latest" version |
| 14:59.43 | Aelobin | "Lexicons of Power will not be necessary for switching between saved talent specs and glyphs. Players will be able to switch between their chosen talents anywhere." |
| 14:59.46 | Maldivia | well, even xp fills all free physical mem with cache, but it's removed as soon as the mem is actually rquires |
| 14:59.54 | nevcairiel | They removed the lexicon requirement |
| 15:00.01 | DWSR | AckisWork: Curse. |
| 15:00.11 | durcyn | Thrae: as it exists on PTR right now, it's a longish cast that drains all of your mana and can't be cast in combat, in battlegrounds, or in arenas |
| 15:00.23 | Maldivia | loginsh = 5 sec :) |
| 15:00.30 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Vista caches more memory then even XP does. One of the new things it does is cache memory specifically for graphics. |
| 15:00.30 | DWSR | Switching between talent specs will take 5 seconds, and all mana and resources will be reset to zero when doing so. <- awesome. |
| 15:00.33 | AckisWork | DWSR: hmm last time I tested it out, it worked, make a ticket on the project for me to relook at it please |
| 15:00.58 | DWSR | AckisWork: I'll double check that I have all the latest versions and look again. Might have been using an old version. |
| 15:01.17 | DWSR | Are they updating the quest tracker? |
| 15:01.27 | AckisWork | DWSR: the scan button should be in the middle of the ATSW window |
| 15:01.36 | Maldivia | really hate how switching spec penalized mana users... do warriors care if their rage are reset to 0?, do death knights care their RP is set to 0? Do rogues care their energy is set to 0? |
| 15:01.39 | DWSR | AckisWork: Alright, I'll check when I get home. |
| 15:01.43 | Thrae | Hmmm I'm still not sure that's worth 1000g unless you raid and need to respec a lot, or do a lot of PvP. You'd need to respec 40+ times in your lifetime for it to be worth it. |
| 15:01.53 | DWSR | Maldivia: Rogues yes. |
| 15:02.05 | AckisWork | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-kitten-does-not-know-why-your-dog-has-a-concussion.jpg |
| 15:02.06 | DWSR | I would hope it also sets DK runes to all on CD as well. |
| 15:02.10 | durcyn | Maldivia: drinking back to full still takes less time than getting a portal and a summon |
| 15:02.22 | Aelobin | Maldivia: meh can't be cast in arena/bg/combat anyway so not much of a big deal |
| 15:02.26 | Maldivia | DWSR: still, energy regens naturally, and faster than drinking |
| 15:02.38 | DWSR | Much truth. |
| 15:02.39 | durcyn | also, life tap, obviously. ;) |
| 15:02.45 | DWSR | durcyn: Yeah, I <3 warlock! |
| 15:02.46 | KarlThePagan | i want to respec in SotA :( |
| 15:02.58 | KarlThePagan | the holy pally's lament |
| 15:03.12 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 15:03.16 | Thrae | KarlThePagan: You have about a minute before SotA starts to cast the spell ;) |
| 15:03.32 | KarlThePagan | Thrae: between rounds too? |
| 15:03.50 | Thrae | KarlThePagan: Nope! Learn2MinMax |
| 15:03.55 | DWSR | I wanted to respec like 40+ times yesterday Thrae |
| 15:04.09 | Thrae | DWSR: You're ADHD |
| 15:04.12 | DWSR | Arena is fun, it just costs a lot if you're raiding. |
| 15:04.14 | KarlThePagan | Thrae: yea that's what i thought... I'll learn to not heal in bg's i guess :P |
| 15:04.20 | DWSR | Thrae: tru.dat |
| 15:04.38 | DWSR | I can't believe Blizzard is nerfing healers again. |
| 15:05.02 | DWSR | I thought they were aiming to make healing more fun? |
| 15:05.24 | KarlThePagan | they need someone to observe raids and say "shut the fuck up it's the tank's fault" |
| 15:05.27 | Lunessa | Mana regen changes are just aimed at healers. |
| 15:05.28 | KarlThePagan | that will make healing more fun |
| 15:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 15:05.41 | ckknight | does TimTaler (that's his name of WoWI, at least) ever visit here? |
| 15:05.49 | Thrae | Healing can be EZ-MODE |
| 15:06.06 | Lunessa | KarlThePagan: When I was a healer, I said that a lot. I also said "STFU you stupid aggro-monkey DPS, GTFO my raid." |
| 15:06.07 | DWSR | Lunessa: I know that, but seriously, why nerf healers |
| 15:06.19 | Thrae | Yes, there are hard fights, but it can be very boring. |
| 15:06.28 | KarlThePagan | or you can do OS25+2 with a bad setup and get 2 dragon breaths while you try to dodge waves |
| 15:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | Or you can have only one spell that you can use. |
| 15:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | Over and over. |
| 15:06.46 | Thrae | I might be confusing easy with repetitive. |
| 15:06.47 | DWSR | omg, WoW + Moutain Dew promotion? Fail. |
| 15:06.55 | Lunessa | DWSR: every time the "community" has said "this is a horrible change for healers" the "community" has been WRONG. |
| 15:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | Not even your most mana efficient spell, mind you. |
| 15:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | I will wait and see how it feels to heal raids at 80, in person, before I QQ too much. |
| 15:07.16 | DWSR | Lunessa: Everytime the community has been 'wrong', we're right. |
| 15:07.24 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I've talked with a lot of healers. |
| 15:07.26 | Thrae | Lunessa: On the other hand, the community's usually right about non-Resto Druids. Poor Druids. |
| 15:07.57 | DWSR | I'm still waiting for my warlock fixed. |
| 15:07.59 | DWSR | fixes* |
| 15:08.20 | Lunessa | "Mana Conserve AddOn is broken! This will break healers!" WRONG. "Down-ranking is no longer valid! This will break healers!" WRONG. Need I go on? |
| 15:08.50 | |Jelly| | WTB forum workie |
| 15:08.53 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:09.13 | Lunessa | However, healing does feel a little HoT-centric to me right now. |
| 15:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a bit negative about the changes to my own class, but I'm trying to have a wait and see attitude. |
| 15:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | ^^ |
| 15:09.24 | AckisWork | Lunessa: the problem with the down-ranking change is that it changed how the game was played fundamentally, and they keep on doing it to me :( which is annoying |
| 15:09.27 | cog|away | so are websites generally designed for at least 1024x768 or do people still worry about 800x600? |
| 15:09.32 | cogwheel | OHAI |
| 15:09.42 | DWSR | cogwheel: I think 1024-768 |
| 15:09.42 | Lunessa | oh hai cog. |
| 15:09.55 | Thrae | All websites should work fine in links IMO. |
| 15:09.59 | Lunessa | 800x600 is no longer the majority of the installed userbase. |
| 15:10.11 | KarlThePagan | cogwheel: don't listen to DWSR, make your site work on the iphone too :P |
| 15:10.15 | alestane | Although I doubt you'll hurt yourself by keeping the possibility of 800x600 in mind. |
| 15:10.24 | DWSR | Lunessa: It definitely does to me. We have 3 pally healers in my guild and we wanted to run a 10 man Maly, we needed a lazer chicken to respec. |
| 15:10.30 | Thrae | I see all kinds of weird crap in links when I view wowwiki.com. |
| 15:10.32 | DWSR | KarlThePagan: iPhone needs less fail. |
| 15:11.01 | KarlThePagan | DWSR: you need less fail, WWAN internet usage is 1/4 of the total internet traffic this month! |
| 15:11.11 | DWSR | KarlThePagan: iPhone still needs less fail. |
| 15:11.21 | cogwheel | KarlThePagan: its appearance on a mobile browser will be unrelated to the full browser :P |
| 15:11.29 | KarlThePagan | take for example... slashdot... no mobile site... FAIL... wikipedia... sucky mobile site... FAIL |
| 15:11.35 | KarlThePagan | wowinsider... awesome mobile site |
| 15:11.46 | DWSR | KarlThePagan: Additionally, you can specify different stylesheets for different viewers. |
| 15:11.51 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, my office still designs for 800x600, because schools have craptastic equipment still. |
| 15:12.00 | KarlThePagan | cogwheel: depends, some sites completely fail to detect mobile browsers |
| 15:12.12 | KarlThePagan | and netbooks are 1024x600 or smaller |
| 15:12.18 | KarlThePagan | 7" screen is more like 800x600 |
| 15:12.24 | KarlThePagan | or ... 800x400 |
| 15:12.29 | cogwheel | KarlThePagan: it'll be in fully semantic strict xhtml with graceful degradation... |
| 15:12.39 | cogwheel | i'm just asking for normal use cases so STFU!!!! :p |
| 15:12.39 | DWSR | I don't see the draw in netbooks. |
| 15:12.47 | DWSR | cogwheel: 1024x768 |
| 15:12.54 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 15:12.55 | DWSR | Would be nice to see a WS option too. |
| 15:13.01 | DWSR | Like 1200x800 or something. |
| 15:13.08 | AckisWork | cogwheel: do mobile browsers have random mount macros? |
| 15:13.12 | KarlThePagan | my normal use-case is 1080p :P |
| 15:13.21 | DWSR | I hate viewing a website on my 22" WS monitor and having only like 40% of the screen used. |
| 15:13.23 | cogwheel | well, it's going to be a fixed width "floating card" on top of a variable width background |
| 15:13.35 | cogwheel | I may make it dynamic so it can span extra columns if it gets wide enough |
| 15:13.43 | cogwheel | but that'll be a future version |
| 15:13.44 | DWSR | cogwheel: Make it WS friendly. |
| 15:13.49 | DWSR | WS is the future. |
| 15:13.55 | DWSR | iPhone and netbooks can suck it. |
| 15:14.02 | cogwheel | NO U CAN SUK IT! |
| 15:14.03 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | Look at your user base, see what most of them are using. We're constrained by some local schools who still have craptastic tech stuff, so we design small. |
| 15:14.39 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Why? Can't you just use some PHP/scripting to just detect resolution and serve up the right CSS for the resolution of the viewer? |
| 15:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | Your users might tend to be a bit more upscale, cog, and so a wider view is possible. |
| 15:15.02 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, I'm not going to debate design with ya. Sorry. |
| 15:15.35 | Lunessa | srsly |
| 15:18.00 | cogwheel | thing is, most high end wineries use flash, so i should already be ahead of the game compatibility-wise ;) I want to give it a similar look and feel within the constraints of web standards |
| 15:18.06 | DWSR | Q: Where the hell can I find some 'Ace for dummies'? |
| 15:18.18 | DWSR | cogwheel: DHTML and the like? |
| 15:18.18 | Lunessa | www.wowace.com |
| 15:18.27 | DWSR | Lunessa: Where? KB doesn't have anything listed. |
| 15:18.55 | cogwheel | DWSR: yep. though the D part won't come in until later. I want to get a basic static layout working first :) |
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| 15:19.09 | Lopeppeppy | cog, be wary of what your competition uses. Think instead of what your viewer wants.... If you put in a splash page they have to click through to get to anything real, I will strangle you myself in August. Promise. |
| 15:19.20 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:19.28 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: been down that road :P |
| 15:19.56 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I hate it when sites don't auto-detect my language/region. It isn't magic anymore. |
| 15:20.02 | cogwheel | There will be an intro splash but it will have direct links to all of the major sections of the site. |
| 15:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, what, me strangling you? |
| 15:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | When I go to a site that has a splash I have to click to enter... I just leave. I don't care what I wanted from them, I leave. |
| 15:20.33 | DWSR | The worst is living in Canada, with 2 official languages. Sites always ask me if I want English or French.... >.< |
| 15:20.48 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: i had one of those in the very first version of the site |
| 15:20.56 | cogwheel | you would've strangled me :P |
| 15:21.01 | Lunessa | DWSR: Apparently the "Make it Ace" article is gone. |
| 15:21.08 | DWSR | cogwheel: Why? |
| 15:21.24 | DWSR | Lunessa: So...like I said..where can I find some good docs? |
| 15:21.50 | DWSR | and netsplit. |
| 15:21.50 | cogwheel | DWSR: why did i have one originally or why would she have strangled me? |
| 15:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | I adores cog, strangling him is a sign of affection. |
| 15:21.50 | DWSR | cogwheel: Former. |
| 15:22.24 | cogwheel | DWSR: it was 5 years ago and i was n00b :P |
| 15:22.29 | DWSR | aha. |
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| 15:22.53 | Lunessa | DWSR http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=12050 |
| 15:22.54 | cogwheel | rather than being wary of our competition, we tried to emulate it. |
| 15:22.55 | DWSR | Lunessa: Thanks. |
| 15:22.58 | DWSR | brb in about 10 minutes. |
| 15:23.22 | cogwheel | the splash didn't last more than a few weeks though |
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| 15:37.16 | DWSR | and back |
| 15:37.18 | DWSR | this course is so boring. |
| 15:38.03 | DWSR | Lunessa: Was it you who linked to the PTR UI changes? |
| 15:38.10 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 15:38.23 | DWSR | relink please? I'm lazy to go back through my logs. |
| 15:38.23 | Lunessa | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ui.html |
| 15:38.29 | DWSR | thanks |
| 15:38.46 | Lunessa | And that's your last free fish. From now on you get the ~logs command. |
| 15:39.00 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:39.02 | DWSR | I have built in logs. |
| 15:39.08 | DWSR | I can just open them. |
| 15:41.51 | DWSR | lol @ that intro to Ace article. |
| 15:41.54 | DWSR | 'xml voodoo' |
| 15:42.06 | Lunessa | cf my earlier asshat comment. :P |
| 15:42.32 | DWSR | Seperate thoughts written at seperate times. :P |
| 15:45.46 | DWSR | When does GetSubZoneText not return anything (i.e. when are you not in a subzone)? |
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| 15:53.46 | DWSR | hey jnwhiteh |
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| 16:03.53 | Lothaer | ~seen art3mis |
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| 16:24.39 | TecnoBrat | Enemy Unit Frames: This feature is only available while in Arenas, with several options in the Interface Options. |
| 16:24.48 | TecnoBrat | so what exactly is that? |
| 16:24.55 | TecnoBrat | like the arena broadcasts? |
| 16:25.12 | TecnoBrat | where they show both teams full team unitframes? |
| 16:25.21 | nevcairiel | Similar, yes |
| 16:26.02 | TecnoBrat | do you know if they have the same behaviors as a normal unitframe? |
| 16:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to guess not. |
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| 16:29.38 | DWSR | Gladius/Proximo will still be better, I'm sure. |
| 16:29.47 | DWSR | Just means that they'll have a better means to see who you're fighting. |
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| 16:30.50 | nevcairiel | If those addons are adapted to use the new unit ids, sure |
| 16:31.04 | nevcairiel | Those are actually already available |
| 16:31.08 | nevcairiel | so i dunno if they use them |
| 16:31.11 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/87557105 |
| 16:31.33 | nevcairiel | Adys: sometimes those are really disturbing |
| 16:31.55 | Adys | hehe |
| 16:32.15 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:32.30 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/557/ bahah |
| 16:32.50 | DWSR | already had one of those nightmares, and I'm still in school. |
| 16:34.05 | Adys | am i the only one getting ugly font on xkcd? |
| 16:34.21 | DWSR | yes |
| 16:34.52 | [draco] | yes |
| 16:36.27 | mikma | what other "quest items" except Relic of Ulduar exists that people can sell? |
| 16:37.24 | Adys | its not a quest item |
| 16:37.33 | mikma | wanna bet? :) |
| 16:37.44 | Adys | quest items are a bind themselves |
| 16:37.51 | Adys | you cant sell them |
| 16:38.00 | mikma | i accept your bet. |
| 16:38.15 | nevcairiel | They are in the quest item category |
| 16:38.16 | ckknight | ~seen jnwhiteh |
| 16:38.19 | purl | jnwhiteh is currently on #wowprogramming (43m 30s) #wowuidev (43m 30s) #wowace (43m 30s) #curseforge (43m 30s), last said: 'not sure what it doesn't answer'. |
| 16:38.19 | nevcairiel | but they are not quest items |
| 16:38.22 | mikma | nevcairiel: BOO! |
| 16:38.30 | alestane | There are items that are tradable, that can be turned in to complete quests, but I haven't noticed one having the "Quest Item" tag in its tooltip. |
| 16:38.34 | Adys | quest category != quest items |
| 16:38.42 | Adys | the Quest Item tag is the bind |
| 16:38.48 | mikma | [18:20:24] GetItemInfo("Relic of Ulduar") => "Relic of Ulduar", "|cffffffff|Hitem:42780:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:80|h[Relic of Ulduar]|h|r", 1, 1, 0, "Quest", "Quest", 200, "", "I .... |
| 16:38.55 | Adys | yes, yes |
| 16:39.00 | mikma | oh look, it has a "Quest" as type |
| 16:39.05 | Adys | sigh |
| 16:39.23 | mikma | so i repeat my question.. what other "quest items" except Relic of Ulduar exists that people can sell? |
| 16:39.29 | alestane | What about Small Furry Paws? |
| 16:39.39 | Adys | items in the quest category, check the AH |
| 16:39.41 | Adys | darkmoon cards |
| 16:39.44 | Adys | pristine hide of the beast |
| 16:39.45 | Adys | bunch of em |
| 16:39.59 | mikma | god damnit! :I |
| 16:40.08 | alestane | mikma: Given the locals' fondness for sophistry, try saying it as, what "quest" items exist...etc. |
| 16:40.08 | Adys | all the DM books |
| 16:40.25 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=12#0-2+1 |
| 16:40.31 | mikma | "4404 items found (200 displayed)" |
| 16:40.36 | mikma | woopdidoo basil |
| 16:40.42 | Adys | you want a list? |
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| 16:40.51 | mikma | well no |
| 16:41.20 | mikma | i have a filtering now in Nongren that doesn't add "Quest" items in the database |
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| 16:41.54 | mikma | but Relic of Ulduar has the "Quest" therefore it will not be added, and that defeats the whole purpose of farming addon because people do farm the relics (like i do) |
| 16:42.09 | Stew_a | Hey, a long long time ago you could set custom chat channels to be like IRC's +m, can you still do this or did it get taken out? |
| 16:42.16 | mikma | now i'm thinking of adding a whitelist of the "Quest" items that should still be tracked |
| 16:42.24 | durcyn | Stew_a: /moderate still works afaik |
| 16:42.41 | Stew_a | durcyn: doesn't look like it |
| 16:42.46 | alestane | mikma: scan the tooltip for "Binds on" or some similar method? |
| 16:43.15 | Adys | mikma: http://pastebin.com/d52e43b56 |
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| 16:43.52 | mikma | oh lol, i forgot you have the cool tools to do that |
| 16:44.15 | DWSR | Stew_a: You can still do that, afaik |
| 16:44.15 | Adys | say that again, my epeen is growing |
| 16:44.26 | Stew_a | DWSR: any idea how? :P |
| 16:44.30 | DWSR | no idea. |
| 16:44.44 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.13 | Stew_a | but not its slash cmd afaik |
| 16:45.16 | mikma | adys: you have cool tools |
| 16:46.59 | Stew_a | durcyn: also there's no other reference to CHAT_HELP_TEXT_LINE15 anywhere |
| 16:46.59 | mikma | that list is quite nice, but it still has some of the shit that people don't actually farm |
| 16:46.59 | Adys | what are you looking for exactly? |
| 16:46.59 | mikma | items that people might farm, in default wow, tbc, wotlk |
| 16:47.00 | mikma | relic of ulduar is a perfect example |
| 16:47.00 | mikma | 100x stack in ah sells for 300g |
| 16:47.00 | Adys | how's that related to quest items then? |
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| 16:47.14 | Adys | i mean, i'd farm eternals if anything |
| 16:47.27 | mikma | adys: it goes in a quest :I and it has the "Quest" tag in it |
| 16:47.58 | mikma | http://mikma.pastey.net/110419 |
| 16:48.04 | Adys | would I look daft if I asked "so?" |
| 16:48.11 | mikma | the code i commented eliminates Quest item adding |
| 16:48.20 | Adys | riiight |
| 16:48.21 | mikma | but it also eliminates the good, farmable items from being added to the list |
| 16:49.09 | Adys | but why bother with the quest category at all? |
| 16:49.11 | Adys | scan the tooltip |
| 16:49.44 | mikma | that's one option |
| 16:49.54 | mikma | all the REAL quest items have "Quest Item" in them |
| 16:50.09 | Adys | all the ones you cant trade anyway |
| 16:51.04 | mikma | i was thinking about stack size actually |
| 16:51.15 | Adys | eh? |
| 16:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: sweet, that sounds like it would help A LOT. Seeing as my dot died last night to the oom-killer. |
| 16:52.22 | mikma | what "eh?", relic of ulduar has maxstack 200, so if i just check that if the item can be stacked more than 20 then it's good as "farmable" item :) |
| 16:52.55 | Adys | Im not sure i get it |
| 16:53.34 | Adys | what does your addon do, and what problem do you have with quest items? |
| 16:54.05 | Lyn | mikmanski |
| 16:54.08 | mikma | adys: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24326.jpg |
| 16:54.21 | mikma | lynsse |
| 16:54.53 | Adys | alright so basically its an addon that calculates what you'd want to sell |
| 16:55.02 | mikma | adys: now, i don't want the normal quest items you need to collect for quests to be added in that list |
| 16:55.05 | Adys | and you dont want quest items to appear |
| 16:55.22 | mikma | so now i'm using 'if select(6,GetItemInfo(item)) == "Quest" then' to check that |
| 16:55.32 | mikma | that also brings out the problem with ie. Relic of Ulduar |
| 16:55.37 | mikma | [18:53:42] GetItemInfo(42780) => "Relic of Ulduar", "|cffffffff|Hitem:42780:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:2|h[Relic of Ulduar]|h|r", 1, 1, 0, "Quest", "Quest", 200, "", "Interface\Icons\INV_Misc_Rune_14" |
| 16:56.57 | Adys | mikma: http://pastebin.com/d6a88a6a8 |
| 16:57.02 | Adys | there you go, all the ones stack > 20 |
| 16:57.51 | mikma | adys: now thats more like it |
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| 16:58.16 | mikma | that list basicly covers all the farmable stuff imho |
| 16:59.37 | Wraithan | Anyone know if there is a way to see how many levels you can give from the refereed account to the veteran account or do you just need to figure it out yourself? |
| 17:00.17 | Lyn | mikma, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra70O9nps6E |
| 17:00.18 | Lyn | do it |
| 17:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | There's an extensive FAQ about the recruit a friend stuff on the Blizz site, Wraithan. |
| 17:00.33 | Adys | mikma: mind you, you're gonna have a problem with that |
| 17:00.45 | mikma | maybe also hmm... if i add: 'if select(3,GetItemInfo(itemID)) > 2 then' .. that would also add the darkmoon cards in |
| 17:00.51 | Wraithan | I know, and no where does it say where you can see how many levels you have accrued thusfar |
| 17:01.04 | Adys | mikma: http://pastebin.com/d3eb5d4a8 |
| 17:01.08 | Adys | all those are quest items |
| 17:01.13 | Adys | that arent categorized as "Quest" |
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| 17:02.08 | mikma | adys: but now i have your list muhahaha (dr. evil laugh) |
| 17:02.15 | Adys | free to use it |
| 17:02.28 | mikma | or... |
| 17:02.37 | Adys | or you could scan tooltips. |
| 17:02.58 | mikma | another idea is just not to care about the quest items, if people decide to keep the loottracking enabled while leveling it's their problem :D |
| 17:03.34 | Adys | or that yeah |
| 17:05.51 | mikma | yeah, i'm going after that one :P |
| 17:10.03 | Adys | US auth down? |
| 17:10.17 | Wraithan | I just logged in 3-4 mins ago |
| 17:12.20 | nevcairiel | new ptr build tonight :) |
| 17:14.38 | Lunessa | ... But we find ourselves in the same ol' mess, singing drunken lullabies! |
| 17:15.34 | Lunessa | I'm always drunk when I sing them. |
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| 17:18.13 | Exawatt | Blizzard Interface Art (enUS)\GLUES\CharacterCreate\UI-CharacterCreate-Races2.blp |
| 17:18.22 | Exawatt | I want to play as that female Blood Elf. |
| 17:19.13 | Kirov | heh |
| 17:19.28 | Kirov | The original Wo-Man Blood Elf |
| 17:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=7107251 |
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| 17:25.54 | Exawatt | Yeah, I was just reading about that. I want to know how long it'll be attached there. I imagine it won't survive reentry. |
| 17:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | It didn't survive exit. |
| 17:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | Bats breathe, and freeze when it's cold. |
| 17:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | If he didn't fall off in atmosphere, he's surely dead now. |
| 17:27.21 | Exawatt | Ah, but is the bat-corpse still attached? |
| 17:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | A good question |
| 17:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | If so, that could be bad for re-entry. |
| 17:28.14 | nevcairiel | It would just burn off |
| 17:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me it would only be bad for about three seconds |
| 17:29.33 | Lopeppeppy | Hopefully. I dunno, I worry about fragile shuttles and thingies that aren't supposed to be there. |
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| 17:30.06 | Exawatt | Didn't the spaceship dock at the ISS? Can you imagine the international looks our guys will receive? "You've got someth--" "We know." (cradles head in hands). |
| 17:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:31.07 | jnwhiteh | ~seen ckknight |
| 17:31.10 | purl | ckknight is currently on #waruidev (2h 48m 28s) #norganna (2h 48m 28s) #wowuidev (2h 48m 28s) #wowace (2h 48m 28s) #curseforge (2h 48m 28s). Has said a total of 91 messages. Is idling for 18m 29s, last said: 'how would it know which module you're checking? ;-)'. |
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| 17:35.25 | AckisWork | I hate it when the printer is smarter than me :( |
| 17:35.31 | AckisWork | and jnwhiteh that D&D script got updated |
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| 17:38.10 | Lopeppeppy | The D&D script used to slow my work computer horribly, wonder if I should give it a try agian. |
| 17:38.44 | Exawatt | Does a virtual XML element have to be defined above an element that will inherit it? |
| 17:39.05 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 17:39.07 | alestane | Yes, I believe so. |
| 17:39.15 | jnwhiteh | i prefer to do my templates in a separate file |
| 17:39.18 | jnwhiteh | and load that before i load my XML |
| 17:39.27 | Exawatt | That's not a bad idea... Thanks. |
| 17:39.38 | foxlit | !addon ClosetGnome |
| 17:39.48 | foxlit | (isn't that how it works?) |
| 17:40.22 | lua_bot | ClosetGnome (v. r570) last updated Wed Oct 15 07:40 (http://is.gd/nTA7) |
| 17:40.56 | Exawatt | Heh, Blizzard is making their own version of that. |
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| 17:41.33 | durcyn | blizzard's implementation lacks CG's witty banter |
| 17:42.47 | foxlit | I was hoping to avoid finding AceLibrary docs instead |
| 17:42.49 | Dagmar | WEll, script some witty banter in |
| 17:42.55 | cog|work | AckisWork: log in and i'll hire you :) |
| 17:43.14 | Dagmar | There's definitely room for that and a "Pro tips on the loading screen" addon |
| 17:43.16 | AckisWork | cog|work: I avoid that game now :( |
| 17:43.17 | AckisWork | lol |
| 17:43.23 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:44.08 | foxlit | "If the library is unavailable, an error is thrown. This is also accessed by calling AceLibrary as if it were a function." |
| 17:44.24 | Lopeppeppy | Why are you avoiding me, Ackis? *cries* |
| 17:44.27 | Exawatt | @Dagmar I'd subscribe to that. I'm tired of "You can run by pressing both mouse buttons at the same time." |
| 17:44.36 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I'm avoiding you!!? :( |
| 17:44.47 | Lopeppeppy | Does not play games with me anymore. |
| 17:44.54 | AckisWork | heh |
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| 17:45.07 | durcyn | hm, i wonder if the loading screen text is exposed anywhere, or if that'd require overlaying the mpqs |
| 17:45.49 | Exawatt | Well just take an example tip and do a plaintext search through the WoW folder. |
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| 17:49.08 | krka | cog|work: |
| 17:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | man I wish that I could post, I totally want to rail on the carbonite thread |
| 17:50.43 | AckisWork | ohh linky? |
| 17:51.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661690616&sid=1 |
| 17:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, bribe someone to post for you. |
| 17:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't want to bribe someone into posting something that may get their account banned |
| 17:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think a wall of [b]YOU ARE FREE NOT TO USE THEIR ADDON[/b] would be looked highly upon |
| 17:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | That's always my opinion, but I've avoided covering the thread in green. |
| 17:53.29 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: unban me and I'll post for you! |
| 17:54.00 | alestane | Silly poster, bans are for blues! |
| 17:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. |
| 17:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That is just piling bad mojo on bad mojo |
| 17:55.00 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 17:55.46 | AckisWork | i should QQ to blizz about my ban again eh? |
| 17:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | What'd you get banned for? |
| 17:56.30 | AckisWork | this one was for posting on my main account after my second account was put on a 3 hour suspension |
| 17:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, fail |
| 17:57.15 | AckisWork | i was put on a suspension for complaining to the CSRs that they overstepped their bounds and dealt with an action that wasn't reportable |
| 17:57.21 | cog|work | krka: |
| 17:57.22 | AckisWork | (aka I ended up reporting myself) |
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| 17:57.44 | Dagmar | Since when do you get a ban for complaining |
| 17:57.56 | Dagmar | How are all those people posting to the forums day after day after day |
| 17:58.01 | AckisWork | and the worst part is, of all the times I did something stupid, this was the first time I was innocent :( |
| 17:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | AckisWork: posting about moderated threads (or users) is grounds for a ban |
| 17:58.25 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: no, this was in-game action that I was asking aboot |
| 17:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 17:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting |
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| 17:58.44 | DWSR | AckisWork: Your WoW account got banned? |
| 17:58.49 | Lopeppeppy | The ban stick reaches far and wide. |
| 17:59.01 | Dagmar | Suuuure it does |
| 17:59.15 | AckisWork | some dude told me to fuck off, so I reported him and I got a 3 hour suspension on a toon I don't play for asking my buddy to show me his pussy :( (the irony is we were trying to get his cat to talk on vent at the time and that's what it was about) |
| 17:59.35 | DWSR | rofl |
| 17:59.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:59.48 | Cairenn|afk | AckisWork: umm, sure? |
| 17:59.48 | DWSR | ~AckisWork++ |
| 17:59.57 | AckisWork | my first account was banned because I put a lemonparty link in a tinyurl and spammed it :P |
| 18:00.07 | AckisWork | Cairenn|afk: truth |
| 18:00.15 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 18:00.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It sounds like you got what you deserved then |
| 18:00.27 | DWSR | rofl ackis |
| 18:00.32 | DWSR | ~AckisWork++ |
| 18:00.32 | Dagmar | Don't say stuff like "show me your pussy" in public chat areas thicko |
| 18:00.38 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: well with the first account yes, lol that was like 3 years ago :P |
| 18:00.40 | DWSR | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper4.html <-- What the fuck is this all about? |
| 18:00.46 | AckisWork | Dagmar: it was in party chat with me and my buddy |
| 18:00.57 | Thunder_Child | unless you are refering to "are you being served" |
| 18:01.07 | Dagmar | I mean, I think it's hilarious, but some thinking should have revealed a flaw in yer plan there |
| 18:01.15 | Dagmar | WTF then |
| 18:01.21 | Exawatt | @DWSR There is obviously a very attractive NE female to frame right. |
| 18:01.27 | DWSR | Exawatt: rofl |
| 18:01.34 | AckisWork | eh I didn't care, it was just the fact of the matter that it wasn't reported so why did the GM do something about it? that's what annoyed me |
| 18:01.51 | Dagmar | Who in party chat was so dim as to report you |
| 18:01.52 | AckisWork | I didn't even know I was banned until it was over :P it was an account I played once a month type thingy :P |
| 18:01.57 | AckisWork | Dagmar: no one |
| 18:01.59 | DWSR | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper12.html <- found it |
| 18:02.04 | Dagmar | That's messed up. |
| 18:02.16 | AckisWork | Dagmar: that's why I was irked :P |
| 18:02.22 | Dagmar | I dont' get how they'd even find out about that unless they were already watching you for something else |
| 18:02.49 | DWSR | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper11.html <-- lol, I would like to point out that this map is still in Alphamap. The AM map doesn't include the Stormwind Harbour. At least, not in my client it doesn't (and I just updated). |
| 18:02.56 | AckisWork | I think they were but from what everything says in the policy/etc and from talking to some people at blizzcon/forums is that they shouldn't act on it unless it's been reported |
| 18:03.40 | AckisWork | so I'm not sure why Lopeppeppy won't unban me :( |
| 18:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe someone reported you in general for filth, and they just took a sampling of your chat and said, "Yup, potty mouth" |
| 18:03.56 | AckisWork | potty mouth!!? |
| 18:04.00 | AckisWork | :( |
| 18:04.04 | AckisWork | (and I'm a troll!) |
| 18:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes you are dear. *hug* |
| 18:04.21 | AckisWork | haha |
| 18:04.28 | DWSR | http://is.gd/nTNO <-- Holy shit his nose is HUGE. |
| 18:04.37 | DWSR | It's like as big as my hand |
| 18:05.12 | Exawatt | Indeed. It's larger than the Dwarven logo, and that's pretty damn big. |
| 18:06.05 | DWSR | I still think the Forsaken have the coolest logo. |
| 18:06.05 | Thunder_Child | oddly disturbing http://scanwiches.com/ |
| 18:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/images/christmasdwarf/christmasdwarf-1600x.jpg |
| 18:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You people never noticed that image? |
| 18:06.18 | DWSR | rofl, NO. |
| 18:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It is pretty darn old |
| 18:06.24 | DWSR | It's fucking MASSIVE |
| 18:06.39 | Dagmar | No one notices dwarves. |
| 18:06.50 | Exawatt | Unless they trip over them. |
| 18:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Over their nose, as it would seem |
| 18:07.00 | DWSR | That's gnomes. |
| 18:07.03 | DWSR | rofl |
| 18:07.11 | DWSR | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 18:07.15 | DWSR | anyway, bbiab. |
| 18:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | My one real thought is what would it have been link to draw that nose? |
| 18:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean |
| 18:07.17 | Dagmar | Nope. As fail as firing from bushes in battlegrounds *should* be, it works |
| 18:07.19 | DWSR | Restarting kafka |
| 18:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | *like |
| 18:07.37 | Dagmar | People expect to see gnomes trying to hide, so they totally blank out on dwarves |
| 18:08.23 | smcn | don't forget trees healing from bushes |
| 18:09.07 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 18:09.09 | Exawatt | So there's a TicTacToeFrame and a MinigameFrame in FrameXML... Anyone know what part of the game they're from? They don't seem to come up with Show()... |
| 18:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | OLD code. |
| 18:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | VERY VERY VERY old code. |
| 18:09.27 | Stew_a | They aren't loaded into the UI |
| 18:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Never went anywhere. Pre 1.12 |
| 18:09.43 | Exawatt | Wow, that's old. |
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| 18:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to say pre 1.06 |
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| 18:10.41 | Exawatt | TicTacToe is a planned game of mine, so I was just trying to figure the logistics of just using their crap. |
| 18:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Zero |
| 18:10.55 | Exawatt | Damn. |
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| 18:11.37 | Lunessa | Linked by Nyxia - http://seorant.ath.cx/img/securitydog.html |
| 18:11.42 | Exawatt | They don't delete files that are no longer in use? No wonder the installation folder is 13GB. -.- |
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| 18:12.12 | Lunessa | Exawatt: Save everything. You never know what you're going to find a use for. |
| 18:12.37 | Dagmar | That's a miniature pincher, so... not much security there. |
| 18:12.52 | Dagmar | However, after eating all that peanut butter, in about 10 minutes that little dog will be uncontrollably hyper. |
| 18:13.16 | durcyn | because five megs of framexml is a huge chunk of the 13gb of model and texture assets |
| 18:13.45 | Exawatt | Well I wasn't refering to a couple of XML files, but to a general principle as Lunessa stated. |
| 18:14.28 | Dagmar | In the next expansion, everyone will get all the unique models for their armor they've been wanting, but WoW will now require it's own hard drive to be installed to. |
| 18:14.29 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It's still funny. |
| 18:14.38 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Oh yes absolutely |
| 18:15.14 | Dagmar | Feel sorry for whoeveer took that picture tho |
| 18:15.23 | Dagmar | Those little dogs can run like tiny greyhounds |
| 18:15.41 | Lunessa | Dagmar: In the next release, WoW ships with an IV and a catheter. For an additional $100/month someone will come by your house to change your fluids and your "bags" weekly. |
| 18:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Weekly? |
| 18:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That.. |
| 18:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't nearly often enough |
| 18:16.31 | durcyn | $100/month is a pretty good deal. |
| 18:18.37 | Exawatt | Depends on how big the bags are. |
| 18:18.45 | Dagmar | Actually, considering how the price of hard drives are falling, I suspect we could probably get the next expansion shipped on 500Gb drives |
| 18:19.13 | Dagmar | WoW-Branded raptors in SATA or IDE format |
| 18:19.24 | Lunessa | They'll introduce a tiered rate plan a patch later which will have daily visits and at the top end, those visits will include "personal contanct" . |
| 18:19.55 | AckisWork | hmm is there a way to determine if a tradeskill you're looking at is your own or someone elses? |
| 18:19.58 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, that would require knowledge |
| 18:20.03 | Thunder_Child | isnt going to happen |
| 18:20.05 | Kirov | WoW branded thumb drives |
| 18:20.08 | Thunder_Child | on a flash drive maybe |
| 18:20.17 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Yes, more reasons for the uber raiders to cry tears of pain |
| 18:20.47 | Thunder_Child | hmm...unless it was external |
| 18:20.49 | Kirov | Honestly, World of Warcraft isn't that huge of a game. |
| 18:20.55 | Thunder_Child | 10gb? |
| 18:21.02 | Dagmar | Well, it will just *barely* fit on a 16Gb thumbdrive |
| 18:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It is nothing |
| 18:21.32 | ScytheBlade1 | (WoW) |
| 18:21.35 | Dagmar | Last I checked, 16Gb thumbdrives cost more than 500Gb SATA disks |
| 18:21.44 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, check again |
| 18:21.58 | Lunessa | 16gb flash drives ain't that expensive. |
| 18:22.05 | Pneumatus | a year ago perhaps |
| 18:22.05 | Dagmar | Hm... Let's see if it's time to buy a few more of them then |
| 18:22.07 | Pneumatus | but not now :o |
| 18:22.13 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, space of drives has nothing to do with whats concidered to be 'big' |
| 18:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Um. |
| 18:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Then what does? |
| 18:22.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I remember when 60MB was HUUUUUUUGE. |
| 18:22.42 | Thunder_Child | avg size of a program |
| 18:22.48 | Lunessa | Hell, they practically give away the 1-2 gb versions now. "Use the restroom at Fry's, get a 1gb flash drive" |
| 18:22.51 | Thunder_Child | and at 14gb wow is higer than most |
| 18:22.52 | Kirov | 16GB flash drive = $30 |
| 18:22.55 | Pneumatus | big is just relative to biggest |
| 18:23.23 | Thunder_Child | Pneumatus, exaclty, which has nothing to do with the HD |
| 18:23.24 | Kirov | 32GB is $70 |
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| 18:23.49 | Kirov | I have a 512 Meg flash drive. It's basically useless. |
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| 18:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, okay then |
| 18:24.25 | Dagmar | Hmm... 500Gb is about sixty or so |
| 18:24.30 | Kirov | I can use it to copy the Adobe Acrobat isntaller around, and that's about it. |
| 18:24.34 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I have 150GB of flac music and about 750 DVDs sitting around waiting to be ripped |
| 18:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW is small :P |
| 18:25.07 | Thunder_Child | for a program |
| 18:25.10 | Thunder_Child | it is not |
| 18:25.25 | Kirov | WoW the "program" is about 3 megs. |
| 18:25.35 | Dagmar | For an operating system it's small-ISH |
| 18:25.37 | Thunder_Child | patechs and xpacs count |
| 18:25.39 | Kirov | The rest is a database. |
| 18:25.43 | Thunder_Child | patches* |
| 18:25.47 | Kirov | 10 gigs is a small database. |
| 18:26.28 | Exawatt | The launcher program is just under 4 megs. WoW.exe is about 10 megs. |
| 18:26.49 | Exawatt | 12.0 MB (12,685,312 bytes) |
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| 18:27.41 | Exawatt | The Data folder is approximately 12.3 gigs. |
| 18:27.47 | TC-Away | sometimes i hate my net |
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| 18:29.09 | Kirov | Crysis 12 gigs. Far Cry 2 10 gigs. Mass Effect 24 gigs |
| 18:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | UT3 is 10 |
| 18:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | DoW2 is 8 |
| 18:29.35 | Kirov | Again, WoW is not big. |
| 18:29.37 | Thunder_Child | Mass Effect is 10.2 |
| 18:29.58 | AckisWork | Ackis TicTacToe is 30kb!! HAH |
| 18:30.08 | Dagmar | It's 24Gb when you install the "realistic anal rape simulator" Jack Thompson talked about |
| 18:30.11 | Dagmar | It's a DLC |
| 18:30.39 | Kirov | Most XBox 360 games are around 8 gigs (because that's all the space on the DVD). PS3 games can be closer to 30 gigs. |
| 18:30.42 | durcyn | wait, how realistic |
| 18:30.44 | Exawatt | I wonder what size it would be if they removed all the unused textures and such. |
| 18:30.53 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ how realistic |
| 18:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 18:31.25 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'm one of the guys who pre-ordered it after hearing Jack Thompson make that claim, just in case |
| 18:32.03 | Dagmar | Not that I have any interest in such a game, but anything that really pisses off Jack Thompson is worth a few dollars |
| 18:32.15 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: I agree, Jack Thompson disgusts me too |
| 18:33.08 | Exawatt | Blu-ray (PS3) discs hold 25GB currently, but they're created to support multiple layers, so a dual-layered Blu-ray would hold 50GB, and so on. Apparently they plan to go up to at least 200GB (8 layers). Can you imagine a 200GB game? |
| 18:34.07 | Kirov | Exawatt - Yep, HD Sewer Shark! |
| 18:35.21 | Exawatt | I'd buy it. |
| 18:35.30 | Kirov | Actually, the biggest pain in the ass with the PS3 is the data read rates off of the disc are almost half that of the XBox 360, so even though you have more space to stream stuff off of the PS3, you end up having to use lower res textures so they can stream fast enough. |
| 18:35.38 | Dagmar | We'll be back to those games made of cinematic clips from the 80's |
| 18:35.39 | Lunessa | Kirov: 512mb flash drive is not useless... Don't make me force you to go back to using foppies. |
| 18:35.59 | Kirov | Lunessa - I don't use flash drives, or floppies |
| 18:36.22 | Exawatt | Direct neural interface, then? |
| 18:36.50 | Lopeppeppy | foppies. *giggle* |
| 18:36.58 | Kirov | Exawatt - install discs, or network shares. |
| 18:37.09 | Lunessa | Exawatt: Scroll up to see about my tiered plan for services for the next release of WoW. |
| 18:37.20 | Kirov | I don't even own a dvd burner. Hell, I've never owned a cd burner. |
| 18:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | The ony royal pain with having 2.5TB of hard drives around |
| 18:37.26 | Kirov | Never saw the need. |
| 18:37.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Is backing crap up |
| 18:37.46 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: you back up everything or just your data? |
| 18:38.01 | Kirov | Burnt cds have a relatively short shelf life vs. a second harddrive. |
| 18:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Well my data is really all that I care about.. |
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| 18:38.37 | Lunessa | I may put VirtualBox on a USB stick and include a fully configured version of Windows + WoW that I can install anywhere... |
| 18:38.51 | Thunder_Child | hmm...is the "survival guide |
| 18:38.57 | Thunder_Child | ....*sigh* |
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| 18:39.29 | Exawatt | I don't think WoW requires installation. I'm pretty sure you can just copy the folder and run launcher.exe. |
| 18:39.37 | Thunder_Child | correct^^ |
| 18:39.43 | Exawatt | So you can probably skip the VirtualBox part. |
| 18:40.28 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.51 | Dagmar | I've got a 20Gb external drive I use as a backup, and I'll play on my laptop with that |
| 18:41.06 | AckisWork | can you run wowmatrix and carbonite quest w/o installing them? |
| 18:41.31 | Exawatt | I'm not sure. I've never used them before. |
| 18:41.55 | Dagmar | Good luck running an addon without putting it in your interface directory |
| 18:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, you're going in a very small handbasket made out of razor wire at this rate. |
| 18:42.49 | Dagmar | GogoMount will probably fit |
| 18:43.07 | AckisWork | lol Dagmar I'm just being sarcastic |
| 18:43.10 | Exawatt | On a flash drive or in AckisWork's basket to hell? |
| 18:43.31 | Dagmar | basket |
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| 18:49.10 | Lunessa | The VirtualBox part is so I can just launch my Windows drive - Install VirtualBox on Mac OSX or Linux, etc. |
| 18:49.15 | durcyn | AckisWork: i heard ARL has a virus, is this addon safe? |
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| 18:50.00 | ckknight | durcyn: it isn't |
| 18:50.03 | ckknight | ARL is a virus. |
| 18:50.09 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.13 | AckisWork | ckknight knows all |
| 18:50.17 | AckisWork | ARL will eat your babies |
| 18:50.23 | ckknight | and kick your puppy. |
| 18:50.28 | AckisWork | and your kitty |
| 18:50.34 | AckisWork | and it'll bang your mum too |
| 18:50.39 | ckknight | truth |
| 18:51.39 | ckknight | im in ur wow loggin ur keyz |
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| 18:52.18 | Dagmar | How do people miss runeforging recipes anyway |
| 18:53.05 | AckisWork | Dagmar: it's only in there for completionism |
| 18:53.14 | Dagmar | Ah, okay |
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| 18:57.38 | AckisWork | i still need to add the 3.1 stuff |
| 18:58.42 | Thunder_Child | hell, even i have a peice of maly |
| 18:58.44 | Thunder_Child | mt |
| 18:59.46 | alestane | Okay, so this lab tells you to log in with a non-administrative ID and then tells to you save something into a location only writable by root...fail. |
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| 19:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: lab? |
| 19:02.55 | alestane | I'm rewriting the labs for my Linux Admin course now that I've taught it through once. |
| 19:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 19:03.46 | Dagmar | Putting more details into how to properly dispose of the people trying to bring Windows into the office? |
| 19:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Guessing, but his course probably has very little to do with the desktop |
| 19:04.28 | Dagmar | I've got the URLs for a few companies that will ship you several gallons of lye without asking too many questions if you need them. |
| 19:04.35 | alestane | That was the prerequisite. This course is about security and servers. |
| 19:06.03 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: THat's how it starts... with people trying to get that one Exchange server approved, or by trying to get everyone to "need" an Excel spreadsheet |
| 19:06.27 | Dagmar | It's better to just dispose of these people quickly and quietly before it would entail a lot of paperwork and drama. |
| 19:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: I worked as the sole IT provider for small business for 6 years ;) |
| 19:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Such concepts are not new to me ;) |
| 19:07.29 | Dagmar | I'm just waiting for the sharepoint server here to eat itself and die |
| 19:08.03 | Dagmar | When that day comes, I will quietly abduct it's IP address with a VM running MediaWiki |
| 19:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:08.27 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/110429 << Let's play "pin the taint on the code line" |
| 19:08.35 | Dagmar | Sharepoint is definitely s**t. |
| 19:08.55 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: i'm just starting on my 6th year :) |
| 19:09.02 | alestane | Apparently I have to start this lab here with an instruction on how to add a user to the sudoers file. |
| 19:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: now is about time to quit then! ;) |
| 19:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (actually my pay was something like $30/hour below what they should have been paying me, and I finally got sick of it) |
| 19:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | (poof goes that job) |
| 19:09.47 | Dagmar | alestane: I hear Cafe Press is about to add bibs to their list of brandable products. |
| 19:09.48 | cog|work | i have a feeling that would be a bad idea in this economy :P |
| 19:09.52 | durcyn | alestane: sudo visudo, obviously. |
| 19:10.07 | Dagmar | You could just have the instructions printed on some bibs and pass them out. |
| 19:10.34 | cog|work | i got my foot in the door as an office temp and now i'm the IT staff plus customer service monkey |
| 19:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I started working in the 8th grade when their previous IT guy left and the NT server quit for good :) |
| 19:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Heck of a first day. |
| 19:11.31 | Dagmar | Awesome |
| 19:12.36 | Dagmar | Personally, I'd make that first bit about best practices for change control on administrative files, and let "type 'visudo` and hit enter" be a side effect |
| 19:12.52 | Dagmar | Not knowing one of those two things is MUCH more likely to cause trouble than the other |
| 19:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The great part about that network was that the previous admin didn't go for DHCP |
| 19:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | He manually assigned random IPs to computers at random |
| 19:13.45 | Dagmar | He likes his Raritans then? |
| 19:14.02 | Dagmar | Oh, he likes IP collisions, even better. |
| 19:14.32 | durcyn | a network without dhcp is a sad network :( |
| 19:14.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You have no idea. |
| 19:15.30 | Dagmar | Generally it costs less than twenty bucks to get someone to make you a wall plaque with a couple of hooks on it with "DHCP Security Solution" engraved on it, and a lead pipe to go in the hooks |
| 19:15.49 | durcyn | it's not impossible to get around though, spam arp, drop everything in a static dhcp config, then start unfucking the boxes |
| 19:16.10 | durcyn | for extra credit, set the lease time low and start juggling things around to confuse the natives |
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| 19:27.37 | Tekkub | so uh, did the SciFi channel take in some FOX execs or something? |
| 19:28.00 | NeoTron | SciFi? do you mean Syfy? ;-) |
| 19:28.10 | NeoTron | Syfylis |
| 19:28.18 | Tekkub | cause that's the only logic I can find for them trying to "distance" themselves from their primary viewers |
| 19:28.33 | Dagmar | That's GOT to be a joke |
| 19:28.39 | Tekkub | yea it's gonna permanently become the syfylis channel with us |
| 19:28.46 | Dagmar | They're just trolling to see how many angry emails they'll get or something |
| 19:28.57 | Dagmar | The purported new name is just an insult to literate people |
| 19:29.01 | Tekkub | or they really did hire on FOX execs |
| 19:29.42 | Tekkub | you're getting great ratings for stargate? CANCEL IT. And rename the channel but keep the same pronunciation |
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| 19:30.15 | Tekkub | and say you're doing it to sound "cool" because that's what scifi nerds want, to be cool |
| 19:30.24 | Dagmar | If they start showing bullsh*t macho cr*p like G4 did, I'm mailing them poo in a bag |
| 19:30.27 | Tekkub | but make it sound like you don't like nerds |
| 19:31.02 | Tekkub | well, they did show bullshit crap less-than-b-rated scifi horror movies |
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| 19:31.07 | Dagmar | Shows like "Hurl" have no place on a network that's supposed to be for people with an IQ higher than room temperature |
| 19:31.18 | Tekkub | I don't think I ever once saw a not-horror scifi movie on there |
| 19:31.20 | durcyn | not only did they show bad c-horror movies, they started making their own |
| 19:31.27 | durcyn | google Mansquito sometime |
| 19:31.30 | Tekkub | yea that too |
| 19:31.31 | NeoTron | I don't get why they cancelled the stargates if they have good ratings still.. although they are starting a new one that has a chance to either be good or crap |
| 19:31.34 | durcyn | but don't ever, ever, ever, under any circumstances, actually watch it |
| 19:31.52 | Tekkub | NeoTron, FOX execs I tell you |
| 19:31.55 | durcyn | that was the worst drinking game i ever suffered through :( |
| 19:32.00 | Tekkub | they're the only ones that can popular shows |
| 19:32.21 | Tekkub | and then there's the crap like "ghost hunters" |
| 19:32.35 | Tekkub | sorry, "reality" scifi is just impossible to do |
| 19:33.43 | Dagmar | Wow would I love to get on Ghost Hunters |
| 19:33.55 | Dagmar | ...just to tell them what a bunch of cowards they are |
| 19:34.01 | Tekkub | heh |
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| 19:34.25 | Dagmar | That one dude on what, their second season, that thought he saw something and ran off the site... didn't stop running until next season |
| 19:34.40 | durcyn | and really, you expected NBC execs to be better than FOX? they're all about taking credit for shows, and if it's not something they did themselves, they have to cancel it and replace it with something they can own |
| 19:34.55 | Dagmar | If you're hunting ghosts, perhaps it's in your best interests to not wet yourself when you think you might have found one |
| 19:35.37 | durcyn | and the syfy thing is because they weren't able to trademark a genre |
| 19:35.52 | Dagmar | Too bad for them. |
| 19:36.10 | durcyn | half a billion dollars in advertising revenue, man. |
| 19:36.11 | Dagmar | Perhaps if they were signing the paychecks in crayon it would be apprpropriate |
| 19:36.13 | Tekkub | oh oh oh, we need to add more boobs to the shows |
| 19:36.18 | Tekkub | that worked great for sliders |
| 19:36.32 | Tekkub | kill off all the chubby furry characters and relace them with boobs |
| 19:36.40 | Dagmar | Tekkub: It worked AWESOME for Farscape |
| 19:36.58 | Tekkub | when did farscape REPLACE chars with boobs |
| 19:37.00 | Dagmar | "Oh frell... don't look now but Cryten and his women just came in" |
| 19:37.03 | Exawatt | Didn't Farscape have too many boobs to begin with? |
| 19:37.18 | durcyn | blue ones, to boot. |
| 19:37.20 | Tekkub | yea farscape was always pushing the borderline as best they could |
| 19:37.23 | Dagmar | He was traveling with what, *eight* chicks at one point |
| 19:37.25 | alestane | Tekkub: They are clearly not considering the all-important "gay dudes who favor ursine boyfriends" demographic. |
| 19:37.43 | alestane | I'm not actually being sarcastic. |
| 19:37.46 | Tekkub | farscape had dargo |
| 19:37.55 | Tekkub | he was enough |
| 19:38.07 | Tekkub | you know he had tentacle thingies elsewhere |
| 19:38.16 | Tekkub | plus the actor was a total homo |
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| 19:38.46 | Dagmar | Lots of chicks + leather suits + spaceships == WIN |
| 19:38.54 | Tekkub | they also had the weird leather fetish demographic with the peacekeepers |
| 19:39.14 | Tekkub | and the "cooling rod in the head" freaks too |
| 19:39.16 | Dagmar | Even my elderly mother watched Farscape, which frankly freaked me out |
| 19:39.18 | durcyn | i'm not sure i'd describe scorpio as a sex object |
| 19:39.19 | Tekkub | they covered all the bases |
| 19:39.28 | Dagmar | Scorpius was a special case. |
| 19:39.56 | Tekkub | special IN THE HEAD! |
| 19:40.01 | Tekkub | buh dum tisch |
| 19:40.16 | Dagmar | He always had the best evil submissives for administrative assistants |
| 19:41.33 | Tekkub | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/03/first-google-chrome-extensions.html |
| 19:41.38 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: fdp created an invalid PNG last night |
| 19:41.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:41.48 | Tekkub | 6 months later we finally get some sort of start |
| 19:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 19:41.55 | Shirik | a size 0 PNG |
| 19:41.59 | Shirik | off my graph |
| 19:42.07 | Torhal_ | Farscape is another example of SciFi or whatever the fuck they're called now "pulling a FOX". |
| 19:42.25 | Adys | bahahah. |
| 19:42.28 | Shirik | also I've come to the conclusion fdp is the wrong solution anyway |
| 19:42.34 | Adys | you know theres an auctioneer in stormwind |
| 19:42.35 | Dagmar | Nah. Farscape just cost *way* too much money to make |
| 19:42.38 | Shirik | er, that dot is the wrong solution |
| 19:42.47 | Adys | I always though I knew his name from somewhere, couldn't put my finger on it |
| 19:42.49 | Dagmar | The costs were swamping Showtime when they were producing it |
| 19:42.49 | Adys | since years |
| 19:42.54 | Shirik | neato or fdp should generate it better (and fdp appears to be made for large graphs) |
| 19:42.59 | Tekkub | honestly I think farscape lasted about as long as it should have |
| 19:43.00 | Adys | now I read his name again. "Auctioneer Chilton" |
| 19:43.11 | Tekkub | they just ran the story too long and didn't finish it |
| 19:43.25 | Dagmar | That and they were running out of muppets |
| 19:43.26 | Tekkub | then came back with a halfassed movie to clear things up |
| 19:43.31 | Shirik | I don't get it Adys |
| 19:43.37 | durcyn | Adys: what, as in tom chilton? |
| 19:43.47 | Adys | yes |
| 19:43.48 | Dagmar | They pretty much emptied the Henson warehouse for a few episodes |
| 19:43.54 | NeoTron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Chilton_(game_developer) |
| 19:43.54 | Tekkub | you thought it was Auctioneer Chriton? |
| 19:44.31 | Adys | I know who tom chilton is, NeoTron |
| 19:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Tom "Mace Stun" Chilton(1968-) |
| 19:44.47 | NeoTron | Adys: for others who might not |
| 19:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Vandalism! |
| 19:44.50 | AckisWork | Adys: you ever run that query for me? :P hehe |
| 19:44.57 | Adys | what query |
| 19:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tom_Chilton_(game_developer)&diff=278027570&oldid=273394839 |
| 19:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 19:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | wow his page is chock full of vandalism |
| 19:45.23 | AckisWork | Adys: new recipes in 3.1 lol |
| 19:45.30 | Adys | told you to ask bibi |
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| 19:45.41 | AckisWork | i told you bibi didn't respond :P |
| 19:45.49 | Adys | bug him more:p |
| 19:46.01 | AckisWork | I'm trying that strategy with you right now |
| 19:46.19 | Adys | not gonna work, dont have that data atm |
| 19:46.26 | AckisWork | awww |
| 19:48.31 | Lunessa | sbo - man, no kidding. |
| 19:49.54 | Exawatt | Anyone have experience with Photoshop? |
| 19:50.09 | Tekkub | I have experience uninstalling it |
| 19:50.42 | Exawatt | I can't figure out how to remove this stupid "slice" picture in the upper left of my image. I accidentally used the tool and promptly undid it, but it's still in this "slice mode"... |
| 19:51.33 | Lunessa | Exawatt: Some, what do you need? |
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| 19:52.21 | Exawatt | How do I remove the "slice" on my psd? I'm assuming the entire canvas is being considered "slice 1"... |
| 19:52.23 | Lunessa | Oh, you have the wrong brush/tool selected or you're on an adjustment layer. |
| 19:52.42 | Bibi` | AckisWork: yourself. |
| 19:52.51 | Exawatt | If I switch tools it's still there. :-/ |
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| 19:53.13 | Exawatt | And I thought I was on the same layer I was working on before I accidentally used the tool... |
| 19:53.31 | Dagmar | You can't just look at the layers dialog and tell which layer you're on? |
| 19:53.41 | Exawatt | I'm on "Layer 1". The only layer. |
| 19:54.21 | Dagmar | This must be another one of those ways Photoshop is better than Gimp |
| 19:54.35 | Exawatt | Yeah, I think I'm going to go get GIMP for this machine. |
| 19:54.58 | Exawatt | It supports TARGA and all the functions I'd need for WoW to read 'em, right? |
| 19:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:55.14 | Exawatt | GIMP it is then. |
| 19:55.24 | Dagmar | Theres even a dds plugin |
| 19:55.35 | Adys | speaking of gimp plugins |
| 19:55.44 | Adys | i had some blp python lib |
| 19:55.51 | Adys | wanted to integrate it to gimp and eog |
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| 19:56.08 | Adys | no idea how tho |
| 19:56.09 | Lunessa | Which tool did you "accidentally" use (note: I'm working and might not respond quickly. |
| 19:56.36 | Adys | he "accidentally" the brush tool |
| 19:56.42 | Adys | (sorry) |
| 19:57.00 | Exawatt | No, it was the Slice tool. |
| 19:57.27 | Exawatt | (C) |
| 19:57.35 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: want my new dot file? |
| 19:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm sure, if all else fails I can try it on my new machine when the replacement motherboard gets here |
| 19:58.05 | Thunder_Child | not had to make a file with a bunch of dots ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:58.13 | Thunder_Child | hard, Shirik* |
| 19:58.21 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 19:58.22 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Thunder_Child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 19:58.30 | Shirik | he knows what I mean... |
| 19:58.43 | Thunder_Child | i know what you mean to |
| 19:58.52 | Thunder_Child | doesnt mean i am goingto interpret it incorectly |
| 19:58.56 | Thunder_Child | just to have fun |
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| 19:59.08 | Thunder_Child | err...corectly |
| 19:59.10 | Adys | want a new kyebaord Thunder_Child ? |
| 19:59.14 | Thunder_Child | i shouldnt be talking today |
| 19:59.25 | Thunder_Child | Adys, it's me, not the ketboard |
| 19:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ketboard! |
| 19:59.30 | Thunder_Child | keyboard* |
| 19:59.35 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
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| 20:02.16 | Exawatt | Okay, I give up with these damn textures. Who here cares if there's an "F" instead of a picture of a flag? |
| 20:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Saw that coming |
| 20:03.01 | Exawatt | So Minesweeper is done. Next game. |
| 20:03.25 | Dagmar | So long as it's not a picture of a bodily orifice on any kind |
| 20:03.51 | Exawatt | Goatse was to be displayed when you clicked a mine. |
| 20:06.55 | Shirik | yay! I found how how to modify available stack size on Windows |
| 20:08.25 | Thunder_Child | gratz Shirik |
| 20:08.30 | Thunder_Child | ~cookie Shirik |
| 20:08.46 | Shirik | ?? |
| 20:08.54 | Thunder_Child | fortune cookie i guess |
| 20:09.01 | Thunder_Child | ~cookie Thunder_Child |
| 20:09.11 | Thunder_Child | or not |
| 20:09.20 | nevcairiel | cookie is a random trigger, or something |
| 20:10.38 | Shirik | apparently windows refuses to give that much stack space |
| 20:10.49 | Shirik | the error has gone from "stack overflow" to "access violation" |
| 20:11.03 | Shirik | I give up |
| 20:11.07 | Shirik | it'd probably be faster on linux anyway |
| 20:15.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (n=Bibi@AVelizy-151-1-49-238.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:15.11 | Adys | someone remembers how to set firefox so fonts are always default? |
| 20:15.23 | Shirik | as opposed to not fonts? |
| 20:15.33 | Adys | i mean |
| 20:15.43 | Adys | I want liberation sans&serif for all my fonts |
| 20:15.50 | Adys | I get some sites screwing up with Lucida |
| 20:15.56 | Adys | and get something horribly aliased |
| 20:15.59 | Adys | http://devcub.com/~adys/xkcd.png |
| 20:16.11 | Thunder_Child | options -> content -> advanced? |
| 20:16.18 | *** part/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:16.18 | Thunder_Child | checkbox |
| 20:16.33 | Adys | ah yeah I was being blind |
| 20:16.45 | Adys | thans |
| 20:16.46 | Adys | thanks. |
| 20:16.48 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 20:17.25 | Thunder_Child | anyone remeber the restedxp to time ratio? |
| 20:18.00 | Gnarfoz | 7 days for full rested |
| 20:18.24 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 20:18.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: die |
| 20:18.40 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: omgacceptdcc |
| 20:19.08 | Shirik | Transfer Timed Out |
| 20:19.09 | Shirik | failure |
| 20:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Resend |
| 20:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | File size dropped a little |
| 20:19.31 | Shirik | how little? |
| 20:19.35 | Shirik | I never bothered to look |
| 20:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 12kB |
| 20:19.45 | Shirik | but if you look inside you'll see it's compressed rather nicely :) |
| 20:19.46 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:20.54 | Shirik | there are a lot more one-way warps than I thought, though |
| 20:20.58 | Shirik | I thought it was a rare case |
| 20:21.03 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 20:21.06 | Shirik | while it's obviously not in the majority, it's more common than I thought |
| 20:22.16 | Adys | Thunder_Child: 1% per hour |
| 20:22.33 | Adys | up to 150% |
| 20:22.42 | Adys | (which makes it a bit less than 7 days for full rested) |
| 20:23.15 | Shirik | personally I think rested XP should be gained logarithmically |
| 20:24.27 | Thunder_Child | Adys, that doesnt seem right.... |
| 20:24.46 | Thunder_Child | i didnt play for 10+ hours and i got 7% |
| 20:25.56 | Adys | you sure? |
| 20:26.09 | Adys | no maintenance in between? |
| 20:27.38 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, is there some every night? |
| 20:28.41 | selckin | maybe your toon sleep walked out of the inn |
| 20:29.30 | Adys | Thunder_Child: a 3 hour maintenance on every tuesday/wednesday |
| 20:29.30 | Adys | :P |
| 20:30.03 | Adys | but they might have changed it to 0.89% every hour to match full week |
| 20:30.09 | cog|work | Esamynn: Shirik: You guys missed an amazing opportunity... my ex-home-sectors have been advertised in the last two days of log entries! gg me for putting too many planets in a couple sectors >< |
| 20:30.16 | Shirik | oh no |
| 20:30.21 | Shirik | We didn't miss anything |
| 20:30.26 | Shirik | Should I quote my notes to you? |
| 20:30.43 | Shirik | cogwheel: |
| 20:30.43 | Shirik | 4061 (6 planets, fighters, mines) |
| 20:30.43 | Shirik | 130? ("Unstable planetary mass") |
| 20:30.47 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:30.47 | Esamynn | cog|work: ex- as in you just moved? |
| 20:30.55 | cog|work | Esamynn: over the last two days, yes |
| 20:30.58 | Teomyr | wowwiki says: "One bar of rested XP (5% of a level) is earned for every 8 hours spent resting. A maximum of 30 bars (150% of a level) may be earned. In other words, you can leave your character resting in an inn or capital city for up to 10 days (without gaining experience) before you earn the maximum amount of rest state, and a resting character stores up one full level of rest in 160 hours (6.67 days). |
| 20:30.59 | Teomyr | You also become rested while logged off in the wilderness, but the accumulation is slower. When logged off "outside," rest is gained at one fourth the rate in an inn, or one bar every 32 hours. |
| 20:31.12 | Shirik | I tried to sneak into 130 to see what was over there |
| 20:31.16 | Shirik | but I didn't want to go through 4061 |
| 20:31.21 | Shirik | so you had yourself covered for a bit |
| 20:31.33 | cog|work | mines are easily disrupted imo ;) |
| 20:31.38 | Esamynn | cog|work: I poked your sectors a little, decided I couldn't figure out what you thought you were doing and decided it wasn't worth my effort to invade atm |
| 20:31.51 | cog|work | heh |
| 20:32.01 | Shirik | We both decided the same, too costly and not enough benefit |
| 20:32.06 | mikma | http://apina.nwpshost.com/full/14039.jpg <- spooky :) |
| 20:32.25 | cog|work | i moved anyway 'cause i didn't want my vital planets colliding >< |
| 20:32.41 | Esamynn | you could have just blown up the spares :P |
| 20:32.42 | Shirik | I dunno, planets colliding can be a good thing |
| 20:33.14 | cog|work | not when they have level 3 citadel, credits in the treasury, 10s of millions of colonists, etc :P |
| 20:33.24 | Shirik | oh so you DID have a lv 3 citadel |
| 20:33.34 | cog|work | well, just about a day left on it |
| 20:33.34 | Shirik | that's why I wasn't going to go into 4061 |
| 20:33.43 | cog|work | nah... 4061 was fine :P |
| 20:33.44 | Shirik | I had no idea what kinds of defenses I was going to hit |
| 20:33.49 | cog|work | just mined it so you wouldn't get to 130 >< |
| 20:34.04 | Shirik | well funny thing is |
| 20:34.08 | Shirik | I had no idea about 130 |
| 20:34.13 | Shirik | until you decided to tell us ^_^ |
| 20:34.22 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:34.22 | cog|work | =) |
| 20:35.16 | Shirik | I'm still mad btw |
| 20:35.22 | mikma | shirik: calm down |
| 20:35.27 | Shirik | you know there's like a 1 million reward on you right now? |
| 20:35.30 | Shirik | You had 18 FIGHTERS left |
| 20:35.33 | Shirik | 18! |
| 20:35.38 | |Jelly| | I love scotch. Scotch. Scotch. Scotch. |
| 20:35.39 | cog|work | >< |
| 20:35.41 | Esamynn | cog|work: so you had to abandon your existing citadels? |
| 20:38.31 | cog|work | riiight... abandon.... |
| 20:38.51 | cog|work | >:^ ) |
| 20:39.33 | Esamynn | :P |
| 20:39.46 | Esamynn | not as if you could possibly have moved them yet :P |
| 20:40.13 | cog|work | move... riiight ;) |
| 20:40.44 | cog|work | nah... i just blew up the ones with citadels so none of you fools could profit from the work i had done |
| 20:40.48 | cog|work | RAWR! |
| 20:53.12 | Fisker- | what are you going to do? |
| 20:54.22 | Industrial | pompompom doing immortal |
| 20:54.25 | Tekkub | this whole softpedia thing is quite amusing |
| 20:55.04 | Tekkub | they decided to maybe actually inform people (me) that they're mirroring shit without permission, and we all turn against them :) |
| 20:57.11 | Industrial | who they |
| 20:57.33 | Dagmar | But, but, how are they supposed to make a buck if they can't mirror people's work and then try to outdo the original author's google rankings so they get the first link? |
| 20:57.45 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=120448&postcount=1 |
| 20:58.50 | Tekkub | yea there are days I wished google would just outright ban sites that did crap like that |
| 20:59.10 | Tekkub | you try to game our system, you don't get to be in it at all |
| 20:59.58 | Thunder_Child | does blizzard suddenly hate crit for casters now? |
| 21:00.04 | Dagmar | Critterer for instance, the top two hits for it are Curse and softpedia |
| 21:00.35 | Dagmar | ...and softpedia shows up twice in the first ten results |
| 21:00.41 | Dagmar | LInk hooores |
| 21:01.18 | Tekkub | yup |
| 21:01.51 | Dagmar | Curse should probably go after them just for basically stealing their content |
| 21:02.11 | Tekkub | it's not curse's content though |
| 21:02.17 | Tekkub | it has to come from the author |
| 21:02.44 | Tekkub | and critterer is GPL |
| 21:03.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Tem|work (i=d195b804@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
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| 21:03.36 | Tekkub | funny how softpedia adds "Critterer is a free and open source add-on for World of Warcraft that..." to the description |
| 21:04.44 | Tem|work | Tekkub: what's Cirtterer? |
| 21:04.52 | Tem|work | also, who the hell is softpedia? |
| 21:04.59 | Dagmar | Link shills, basically. |
| 21:05.19 | Tekkub | man Tem, get with the times |
| 21:05.24 | Dagmar | They take free software and "help it get exposure" by mirroring it and then doing their best to see to it that any and all searches for that come to their site |
| 21:05.27 | Tekkub | *points at the wowi forum link |
| 21:05.38 | Tekkub | s/free / |
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| 21:05.50 | Tem|work | I ignore the wowi forums |
| 21:05.56 | Tekkub | they've been mirroring addons, without asking first |
| 21:05.58 | Dagmar | They haven't yet figured out that software worth a damn updates itself |
| 21:06.00 | Tem|work | have been since Mazzle was every single post on the front page |
| 21:06.09 | Dagmar | ...and that their business model left the building back in 1998. |
| 21:06.15 | Tekkub | mazz isn't anymore you're safe |
| 21:06.40 | foxlit | So gief, dammit |
| 21:06.45 | Tekkub | I still read the forum subjects, and on rare occation open one to read |
| 21:06.53 | foxlit | WoW client should really enable you to subscribe to addons via RSS |
| 21:07.11 | Dagmar | Perhaps not |
| 21:07.23 | Tekkub | foxlit, screw that, just let addons specify a link |
| 21:07.34 | Tem|work | foxlit: I like that idea |
| 21:07.34 | Tekkub | client auto-checks, informs you of updates |
| 21:07.35 | Dagmar | Automatic updating would *really* increase the desirability of addon sites as an attack vector |
| 21:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The WoW client should provide some official method of installing addons instead of download/extract/hope that the user isn't incompetent |
| 21:08.04 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: The incompetent users would just blindly accept every update that appears |
| 21:08.14 | Gnarfoz | Afflicted.wowaddon |
| 21:08.17 | foxlit | Dagmar: meh, unless you're concerned about in-game attacks, you can avoid most vectors |
| 21:08.22 | Gnarfoz | yay custom filetype associations :p |
| 21:08.26 | Dagmar | Really? |
| 21:08.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: sweet. Best not push an update you didn't mean to |
| 21:08.32 | foxlit | (i.e. someone showing you a login screen and sending your password to public chat) |
| 21:08.41 | Dagmar | So how is it again that curse got bagged twice by malicious ad banner companies? |
| 21:09.18 | Tekkub | the problem with all of that, of course, is bandwidth |
| 21:09.25 | foxlit | Dagmar: I don't know; I don't care. I don't think ads have anything to do with RSS feeds. |
| 21:09.27 | Tekkub | either they go all wowmatrix and we hate them |
| 21:09.29 | Dagmar | The average idiot will see their updated plugin saying they need to go to such-and-such website to download a binary that will "enhance" it's functionality, and they'll just do it |
| 21:09.36 | Tekkub | or they host it themselves and kill the addon sites |
| 21:09.48 | Tekkub | and imply that they officially endorse the addons |
| 21:09.56 | Tekkub | which they don't want to do |
| 21:10.14 | foxlit | Meh |
| 21:10.22 | foxlit | It's all degrees of endorsement |
| 21:10.39 | foxlit | The recent all-blue 3.1 changes topic is "official endorsement", in some manner. |
| 21:10.47 | foxlit | So is the addonkit. |
| 21:10.55 | Dagmar | either way, that step the user has to take to go to a website and actually put some effort (LOL) into downloading a zip file and putting it in their addons directory is an important insulative step |
| 21:11.19 | foxlit | Dagmar: Or another attack vector |
| 21:11.48 | Dagmar | Insulative. It forces the user to have time to maybe recognize something's not right |
| 21:11.54 | Lunessa | I've been supporting users since 1984 and I'll say this... the battle to educate them out of doing stupid crap never ends. |
| 21:12.00 | *** part/#wowuidev Beladona (n=Beladona@24.129.136.26) |
| 21:12.07 | Dagmar | A one-click button is just waiting for an idiot to come along and click it |
| 21:12.10 | foxlit | Alternatively, you could do that recognition much more effectively in a single software piece. |
| 21:12.17 | Tekkub | aye, I've learned users are hopeless |
| 21:12.24 | Tekkub | and my life has been happier since |
| 21:12.28 | foxlit | Sure, have that magic "update" one-click button. |
| 21:12.31 | Tekkub | and I work tech support! |
| 21:12.44 | Dagmar | The last infestation of VirtuMonde I had to take off my girlfriend's PC was something that SHOULDN'T have been able to happen, because I'd put TeaTimer in there to protect her registry |
| 21:12.49 | Tekkub | actually, oh good idea! |
| 21:12.52 | Lunessa | Gief user shiny, candy-colored button that says "U CLIK NAO!" and they will. |
| 21:12.54 | Tekkub | instead of auto-update |
| 21:13.04 | Tekkub | allow us to specify a url in the TOC |
| 21:13.13 | Tekkub | url gives current version and a link |
| 21:13.14 | Dagmar | However, she was being a lazy git and when the dialog appeared saying a registry change was about to take place while she was merely browsing the web she just blindly clicked "Allow" |
| 21:13.31 | Tekkub | client checks addons, tells user there is an update, and provides a link to go install it |
| 21:13.44 | Dagmar | Girls have gone onto promising careers after dating me for six months, this one I've been with for four. |
| 21:13.46 | foxlit | Tekkub: why not "client allows option to install it" |
| 21:13.59 | Tekkub | because then we have the ads and bandwidth issue again |
| 21:14.21 | Cairenn | bleeter: ping? |
| 21:14.31 | Dagmar | Maybe if we force people to GPG_sign their addons |
| 21:14.36 | Tekkub | Cairenn, you like? |
| 21:14.46 | Cairenn | Tekkub: ? |
| 21:14.48 | foxlit | lua> 7000000*60.8/1024*8 |
| 21:14.48 | lua_bot | foxlit: 3325000 |
| 21:14.53 | Tekkub | *points up* |
| 21:14.54 | Dagmar | I know I'm not doing another thing about the Dropline installer until I've thoroughly been over that particular requirement |
| 21:15.03 | Tekkub | what would signing do? |
| 21:15.21 | Dagmar | It would mean that some twit who'd managed to compromise a hosting site couldn't put a "special" update in there |
| 21:15.37 | foxlit | Just sanitize the bloody updates. |
| 21:15.37 | Dagmar | THEN it might be more reasonable to allow an automatic, one-button update |
| 21:15.49 | foxlit | lua> 7000000*60.8/1024/1024*8 |
| 21:15.49 | lua_bot | foxlit: 3247.0703125 |
| 21:15.52 | Lunessa | ... oh god, the clean up of our user data base begins in ernest this week and I have something like 5K accounts I need to manually verify, correct or delete. |
| 21:16.05 | Tekkub | the only time compromised stuff is a problem is when it's executable |
| 21:16.15 | Dagmar | Or unless it tells the user something they need to do |
| 21:16.36 | Dagmar | How many email viruses propagate strictly because they say "Email this to all your friends"? |
| 21:16.40 | Dagmar | Answer: LOTS. |
| 21:16.54 | Tekkub | that's not an issue right now though |
| 21:16.58 | Dagmar | It will be. |
| 21:17.02 | Tekkub | you're trying to fix things that aren't broken :P |
| 21:17.22 | Dagmar | No, I'm predicting likely outcomes based on historical trends and events in related fields. |
| 21:17.32 | foxlit | [citation needed] |
| 21:17.40 | Dagmar | www.securityfocus.com |
| 21:17.49 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 21:18.07 | Tekkub | why not focus on maybe getting something that works for users and the hosting sites first? |
| 21:18.07 | foxlit | I'm sure the rest of that link just got cut off. |
| 21:18.11 | Tekkub | then lock it down |
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| 21:18.39 | kromar | hi |
| 21:20.33 | Dagmar | If you close the loophole provided by a potentially insecure drop site so that the path between the developers and end users can be considered tamper-proof, then you don't incur the penalty of "someone haxors your site and pushes a phony update that mails all yer gold to IGE" |
| 21:21.50 | Lunessa | Digression: Isn't RSS hi-jacking still pretty common? |
| 21:21.56 | Dagmar | Frankly, I'm just waiting for someone to give WowMatrix a black eye with a single bad-faith update |
| 21:22.27 | AckisWork | Dagmar: bad faith update? |
| 21:23.06 | Dagmar | AckisWork: Yes. An update made in bad faith. Typically something along the lines of a redirect to a 600Mb movie file, or a zip file that expands to 40Gb in size filled with nulls |
| 21:23.28 | Tekkub | oh, someone get on that |
| 21:23.37 | Dagmar | Or something really special, an addon with a line inserted to set a ninety second timer followed by a client quit command. |
| 21:23.40 | Tekkub | I can provide some good bear porn to host |
| 21:23.40 | AckisWork | ahh but that would require the sites to do that and wowi/curse are above that |
| 21:23.40 | Dagmar | You know, fun stuff. |
| 21:23.54 | Dagmar | They might be, but addon authors are another matter |
| 21:24.08 | kromar | can someone tell me if SmallCull is still a valid console variable? |
| 21:24.10 | Dagmar | ...and they're not the only place WoWMatrix is leeching |
| 21:24.11 | durcyn | hm, does wowmatrix send a distinguishable user-agent? |
| 21:24.14 | Tekkub | do they *only* pull from wowi/curse? |
| 21:24.25 | AckisWork | Tekkub: norganna as well iirc |
| 21:24.34 | Dagmar | durcyn: It probably lies, but at the moment I think it's giving a somewhat obvious user-agent |
| 21:24.35 | Tekkub | MentalPower, we need you! |
| 21:24.49 | durcyn | Dagmar: well, there you go. zip-bombs for WM. |
| 21:25.12 | *** join/#wowuidev pwntang (n=cl@host217-41-0-107.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:25.42 | Dagmar | One widdle user-agent check in an apache config and the whole thing could be automated |
| 21:30.08 | Shirik | no, kromar, it is not |
| 21:32.25 | kromar | Shirik: was it replaced? |
| 21:33.00 | Shirik | I have no idea what it was |
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| 21:33.11 | Shirik | why do you need it |
| 21:35.33 | kromar | im updating an addon and the old author used smallcull in it and i could not get any value from it, always got a nil value |
| 21:39.24 | Shirik | what did this addon do |
| 21:39.39 | Shirik | you're not giving much information here |
| 21:41.34 | Gnarfoz | probably something to set graphics variables to values beyond those the Blizz UI allows you to set |
| 21:41.37 | Gnarfoz | but still work |
| 21:41.41 | Gnarfoz | i.e. bettar grafix |
| 21:42.15 | Gnarfoz | (really dense foilage, disabling global light in favor of ambient lighting only, view distance, and so on) |
| 21:43.05 | Thunder_Child | sigh, fail nudity bug |
| 21:43.41 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Let him answer the question. There are reasons I'm asking. |
| 21:45.03 | kromar | the addon dynamicly changes some video settings like view distance to get more fps |
| 21:45.27 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: trying to weed out pserver addon users again? ^^ |
| 21:46.14 | durcyn | yeah Gnarfoz, cvs users are evil |
| 21:46.28 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: I see what you did there... |
| 21:46.40 | durcyn | it's true :( |
| 21:50.44 | Shirik | Not quite what I was going at Gnarfoz |
| 21:51.16 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: reveal your secrets! |
| 21:51.17 | Shirik | suffice to say, no, kromar, I don't think there is a replacement |
| 21:53.53 | kromar | so you also have no clue what effect smallcull had? |
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| 22:00.13 | Gnarfoz | not certain, really |
| 22:00.51 | kromar | just found Sets the doodad culling level. smallcull [0.001-2.0] but i dont really understand what this would do, any idea? |
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| 22:03.46 | Arrowmaster | boo the XBL Gold deal of the week is just to download Fable for 800 points =( |
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| 22:04.18 | Gnarfoz | kromar: should be "how far away can you see little objects" |
| 22:04.43 | Gnarfoz | kromar: like... stuff that doesn't belong to the AMT terrain geometry |
| 22:05.16 | Gnarfoz | not certain it IS that, but it certainly sounds like it to me |
| 22:05.44 | Codayus | Small plants and flowers, possibly. |
| 22:06.05 | kromar | ok, could it be a pre wotlk variable which was replaced with the new video options? |
| 22:07.29 | AckisWork | omg watchmen is on imax as well? 100foot dong incoming! ahhhhh |
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| 22:09.16 | Industrial | whiiiit |
| 22:09.19 | Industrial | almost immortal |
| 22:09.22 | Industrial | 2 bosses left |
| 22:09.25 | Industrial | shiiiiit* |
| 22:09.32 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: nah, that's foilage, that should be another control |
| 22:09.49 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: you're gonna fail due to mind control awesomeness on K't, at... say... 28% |
| 22:11.12 | Codayus | Naa, rogue will forget to stand behind an ice block on Saph. |
| 22:12.09 | Codayus | Or better yet, over-enthusiastic MT will decide to grab saph when she lands, try to turn her, and end up wandering off across the room with her, leaving the confused healers behind. That's fun, that is... |
| 22:13.04 | Wraithan | My favorite is when your lock/hunter/mage ranged whatever, decide that there is enough room they don't need to stack, then you get 4-5 people iceblocked |
| 22:13.35 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: sapphiron's hyper-blizzard raining down on the 2 ice blocks that landed directly next to each other. and the 3rd doesn't exist because Sapphiron still tries to target totems for the ice block :P |
| 22:13.46 | Codayus | Heh |
| 22:13.48 | NeoTron | Industrial: welcome to the two bosses that randomly will kill people |
| 22:14.14 | NeoTron | I did Sapphiron last night without iceblocks |
| 22:14.26 | NeoTron | benefit of my "immortal dps spec" is 100% magic immunity :P |
| 22:15.29 | Thunder_Child | immortal becomes pointless after uludar |
| 22:16.43 | Thunder_Child | ulduar* |
| 22:17.29 | Wraithan | We got to 4h last night and had a death, =/ |
| 22:17.51 | Wraithan | front and back groups changed right after eachother on the back and the chain killed 8 people |
| 22:18.06 | Codayus | Wraithan: Mmm, you won't want to hear this but... 4h usually doesn't count against immortal. |
| 22:18.20 | Wraithan | What do you mean? |
| 22:18.45 | Codayus | It's not really a boss, or possibly only one of the horsemen is. |
| 22:18.56 | Codayus | But you can die in 4h, and get the immortal title. |
| 22:19.05 | Wraithan | We haven't done Sapp/KT yet, was getting late going to down them Sunday |
| 22:19.14 | Wraithan | Hmm so we may have a chacne |
| 22:19.17 | Wraithan | chance |
| 22:19.35 | Codayus | There's reports both ways, working theory is that dying to rivendare might tight your raid ID, but dying to the other 3 doesn't. Maybe. *shrug* |
| 22:19.44 | Tem|work | Once rivendare dies, any deaths' don't count |
| 22:19.50 | Tem|work | s/'// |
| 22:19.54 | Tem|work | or so I hear |
| 22:20.07 | Gnarfoz | how do you die on 4HM anyway :O |
| 22:20.09 | Codayus | It's obviously incredibly difficult to test. :) |
| 22:20.15 | Gnarfoz | just don't be an idiot and don't melee zeliek |
| 22:20.24 | Tem|work | Gnarfoz: chaining holy bolt across the raid imo |
| 22:20.30 | Gnarfoz | see above |
| 22:20.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:20.48 | Codayus | On a related note, 4h isn't required for the undermanning achievement. |
| 22:21.03 | Gnarfoz | that is correct and easily verifiable ^^ |
| 22:21.04 | Tem|work | aye |
| 22:21.10 | Codayus | You can do it with 25 or 10. It's an odd fight. |
| 22:21.26 | Tem|work | we haven't gotten past construct quarter without a death yet |
| 22:21.37 | Tem|work | always do it first since it's the most likely to kill soemone for us |
| 22:21.39 | Wraithan | When you are running 4 healers because none of the others show up, it is nice to have 1-2 of your top DPS jump in on Z and kill fast |
| 22:21.41 | Tem|work | (for immortal) |
| 22:21.47 | Tem|work | (we've had several groups get undying) |
| 22:21.52 | Gnarfoz | however, I fear the possibility of this fact (4HM not being part of The Dedicated Few) being confused with "you can die on 4HM and still get Immortal" |
| 22:22.21 | Codayus | Gnarfoz: Naa, it's *very* clear. There are people who died on 4h, who then got immortal from that raid ID. |
| 22:22.30 | Gnarfoz | there are = where are? ;) |
| 22:22.45 | Gnarfoz | [[Weasel words]] |
| 22:22.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:23.04 | Lunessa | I pretty much figure that since my lame ass has trouble getting "Safety Dance" I'll never see Immortal. |
| 22:23.05 | Codayus | Go check EJ forums, and elsewhere. But there are people who died only on 4h who didn't; something to do with Rivendare. |
| 22:23.11 | Industrial | NeoTron: last boss |
| 22:23.13 | Industrial | fuuuuck ;p |
| 22:23.15 | Gnarfoz | I'm finally one of 2 people who have 29/29 non-heroic in my guild, there's a bunch who were originally on the "other" 10man team who're missing Undying... Immortal however... seems undoable for us ^^ |
| 22:23.27 | Wraithan | Safety dance is easy, people who die on that piss me off |
| 22:23.38 | Adys | I dont remember whom I was talking to about derren brown's yes/no trick two days ago |
| 22:23.39 | Adys | but |
| 22:23.40 | Lunessa | Glad to know I piss you off. |
| 22:23.41 | Adys | http://addsanddishes.blogspot.com/2009/03/predictable-or-easily-manipulated.html |
| 22:23.47 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: to not be as negative as you expect us to be: make your pallys keep Sacrifice on CD. :P |
| 22:24.04 | Wraithan | It is so easy to do safty dance though |
| 22:24.20 | Adys | Lunessa: you can always skip it |
| 22:24.35 | Wraithan | Yeah, we have 2-3 people we have sit out that fight |
| 22:24.47 | Wraithan | When we are going for immortal that is |
| 22:24.49 | Adys | its not as hard as pre bc too |
| 22:24.54 | Codayus | I got safety dance in a pug. >.> |
| 22:24.58 | Adys | you can survive 3-4 hits |
| 22:24.58 | Codayus | 25 man too |
| 22:25.03 | Adys | even as a mage |
| 22:25.10 | Adys | used to be one hit = dead |
| 22:25.25 | Lunessa | No, I can just be smug and self-righteous about it, just like the guys who say "that pisses me off." Or you know, I could do the event more than once a month and maybe get good at it. :P |
| 22:26.22 | Wraithan | Even the people that suck at it, you should have a couple healers tossing heals throughout it |
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| 22:26.41 | Wraithan | I know my riptide is on cooldown the whole time we are dancing |
| 22:27.04 | Wraithan | And I will pop NS and hit a chain heal |
| 22:27.15 | Lunessa | I've done the fight exactly twice. The second time I lasted much longer. |
| 22:27.29 | Lunessa | But as it stands, I still have died every time. :P |
| 22:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> i dont heal people during the dance phase because the people who are dying probably dont deserve to live :P |
| 22:28.26 | Wraithan | NightHawkTheSane: I'd rather get the achievements than be a selfish jerk. |
| 22:28.28 | Wraithan | er |
| 22:28.35 | Thunder_Child | i'll tell that to all the sick children in hospitals NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:28.42 | Wraithan | I guess I am a selfish jerk for wanting the achievements? |
| 22:28.43 | Adys | Wraithan: if you rather get the achievements |
| 22:28.48 | Adys | you ARE being a selfish jerk. |
| 22:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | amusingly, we actually got the achievement in our naxx-25 raid. |
| 22:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i was -honestly- surprised that we could get 25 people to not suck long enough to do that. ;) |
| 22:29.57 | Larana | Where would I look and/or where are there good examples of how to add the option to exclude a character from a list of info? |
| 22:30.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Wraithan: thing is, if i keep healing people, they'll keep standing in fire, so to speak. :P Seeing as you can do the fight with 3 people.. :P |
| 22:30.03 | Shirik | kromar: the only thing I see that's related is detailDoodadAlpha |
| 22:30.16 | Shirik | but that's an alpha value |
| 22:30.39 | Larana | I'm writing an addon that allows a player to see who has and doesn't have companions. |
| 22:30.43 | Wraithan | NightHawkTheSane: what class? |
| 22:31.05 | Shirik | maybe envrionmentDetail |
| 22:31.06 | Larana | And I'd like to add the option to exclude certain alts, like bank toons. |
| 22:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Wraithan: me? resto shaman |
| 22:31.32 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: stupid rogue died on KZ |
| 22:31.34 | Wraithan | Then you should be at least riptiding and you can get at least one NS Chain heal or NS HW |
| 22:31.41 | Industrial | next time no meelee on that fight >:O |
| 22:31.50 | Shirik | kromar: There is a showCull |
| 22:32.00 | Codayus | Industrial: Ouch :-( |
| 22:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Wraithan: sure, i could, but why? Unless it's the main tank, i'm really just rewarding poor playing. |
| 22:32.10 | Shirik | But that is a console COMMAND, not a console variable |
| 22:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | (and I do heal melee dps on non-dance phases, be cause positioning around the boss sucks) |
| 22:32.56 | NightHawkTheSane | s/e c/ec/ |
| 22:33.33 | Codayus | When I got safety dance in a 25 man pug, I checked, and the MT got hit my waves a *lot* |
| 22:33.42 | Codayus | Sometimes healing the MT is also rewarding poor playing. :-p |
| 22:33.58 | Wraithan | *shrug* I am almost never a tank healer, I am just used to topping off the raid |
| 22:34.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: yeah, i know, but if he dies it's very bad for everyone else :P |
| 22:34.18 | Industrial | Codayus: yeah stupid mofo |
| 22:34.27 | Codayus | Er, by waves, even. OTOH, sometimes you want to get an achievement or kill a boss, and not enforce some sort of code of honour. :-) |
| 22:34.38 | Industrial | Codayus: and im the one thats stoned beyong wtf i cant feel my face. |
| 22:34.50 | Industrial | I did get heroic: Shocking today |
| 22:34.56 | foxlit | There's a reason for MT getting hit by waves -- it's probably mainly in the slow movement phase, too. |
| 22:35.02 | Industrial | 6 achieves left |
| 22:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: well, see above what i said about non-dance phases :P |
| 22:35.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm mostly talking about the faster dance phase. |
| 22:35.27 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: you mean I might have to actually read the conversation? :) |
| 22:35.35 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: once in a while, yes. :) |
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| 22:43.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Wraithan: actually, since you play a resto shaman, yes? Have you done malygos-25? and what UF do you use (if you heal) in p3 of that fight? |
| 22:44.45 | Wraithan | I don't heal P3, I am one of the few people who can manage to shield himself and still get stacks going |
| 22:45.04 | Tem|work | People use shields? |
| 22:45.09 | Tem|work | we just heal through the damage |
| 22:45.22 | Tem|work | everyone else does 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 11 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 |
| 22:45.39 | Industrial | 112112112 |
| 22:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | haha. We're attempting the 25 man tonight for the first time. So i've yet to actually see how grid will respond to having 25 pets. >.> |
| 22:45.51 | Tem|work | it doesn't |
| 22:46.01 | Industrial | you dont need unitframes in p3 |
| 22:46.04 | cog|work | i go eeueeueeu |
| 22:46.09 | Industrial | just aoe heal and stack |
| 22:46.17 | Tem|work | our healers either just heal themselves with the hot or they use a pet pull out |
| 22:46.19 | Tem|work | from the base ui |
| 22:46.23 | Tem|work | or from pitbull or xperl |
| 22:46.25 | Industrial | people should get minimum 14stacks imo |
| 22:46.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|afk: o_0 it works fine in 10 man.. |
| 22:46.38 | Tem|work | Industrial: if he lives to 13 stacks you're doing it wrong |
| 22:46.52 | Tem|work | NHTS, it's impossible for addons to handle vehicles atm |
| 22:47.16 | Industrial | Tem|work: almost got immortal just now :( |
| 22:47.19 | Tem|work | there are requests in for vehicle support for addons, but who knows when those'll go through |
| 22:47.21 | Tem|work | Industrial: :( |
| 22:47.23 | Industrial | 1 guy died on kz |
| 22:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|work: er, it is? cause i can see, and target the dragons just fine in maly-10 in grid. |
| 22:47.40 | Tem|work | NHTS: it is |
| 22:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://improveverywhere.com/2009/03/18/subway-art-gallery-opening/ |
| 22:47.46 | Tem|work | there MIGHT be a loophole for malygos |
| 22:47.57 | Tem|work | where you drop combat for a sec |
| 22:48.24 | Fisker- | actually Tem|work i keep applying the dot |
| 22:48.32 | Fisker- | i don't stop after 10 times |
| 22:48.41 | Tem|work | absolutely |
| 22:48.47 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe. i've no idea how it does it exactly, i believe it just pretends vehicles are pets (which i guess they sort of are), but it works fine.. |
| 22:48.57 | Tem|work | but if your raid is doing its job he shouldn't live beyond 13ish stacks |
| 22:49.07 | Tem|work | NHTS, vehicles ARE pets |
| 22:49.24 | Tem|work | but addons don't ahve a way to swap any given raidX with raidXpet |
| 22:49.28 | Tem|work | (in combat) |
| 22:49.43 | Tem|work | there MIGHT be a loophole for malygos where you drop combat for it to adjust |
| 22:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, well i KNOW that |
| 22:49.58 | NightHawkTheSane | grid just creates additional UFS for pets. |
| 22:50.11 | Tem|work | I didn't know it could do that |
| 22:50.13 | Tem|work | fancy |
| 22:50.19 | Tem|work | anyway, time for Tem to go home |
| 22:50.22 | Tem|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, so in maly-10 for example, i see 20 UFs in grid. 10 for players and 10 for their dragons. I guess in 25 it'd just have 50 ufs.. but boy is that a UI nightmare to look at. |
| 22:51.09 | Thunder_Child | hmm...if i can do a 5.3k crit in decent gear, i wonder what i can do in good gear... |
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| 22:52.00 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: you could work around by adding domain-specific logic |
| 22:52.11 | foxlit | But that smells more of a hack than a solution. |
| 22:52.24 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah. |
| 22:52.49 | foxlit | So if you're in this instance, and everyone suddently has a pet... you know what's causing that. |
| 22:53.13 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: that's what it'll be like. 25+25 UFs |
| 22:53.58 | Gnarfoz | also, 13 stacks and he should be dead? wtf. I'm not paying attention to what I do in p3 anymore these days, but I get a feeling that we reach double those stack numbers |
| 22:54.36 | foxlit | Perhaps you have 13 crappy stacks? |
| 22:54.49 | foxlit | My buff code totally screws itself on malygos |
| 22:55.14 | Gnarfoz | how can a stack be crappy |
| 22:55.15 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 22:55.51 | Gnarfoz | then again, maybe 8 or so people never get over 3 stacks or so :p |
| 22:55.52 | foxlit | On 25 man, 13 stacks sounds like 13 people applying whatever it is that dot is called |
| 22:56.00 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 22:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 22:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "I'm just saying, on a scale of 0 to 100 (0 being kittens rolling around, 100 being Vader running hell), not releasing Chrome for Linux is somewhere around 70. That's all. Fell free to disagree. Discuss amongst yourselves. |
| 22:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 22:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a pretty good 'evil' scale |
| 22:56.26 | NightHawkTheSane | the dot stacks, so i assume it means stacking your own dot up to 13 |
| 22:56.29 | Gnarfoz | it was about people's stacks reaching 13 applications, per player |
| 22:56.34 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 22:56.46 | foxlit | That's a long, long time :) |
| 22:57.02 | Gnarfoz | hu? |
| 22:57.03 | Gnarfoz | how so |
| 22:57.24 | foxlit | 7*13s |
| 22:57.38 | Gnarfoz | as I said, I think I've easily reached twice the amout of that before |
| 22:57.56 | Gnarfoz | or at least lower 20s |
| 22:58.13 | Gnarfoz | damn I knew not taking screenshots would haunt me some day |
| 22:58.13 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:58.44 | Thunder_Child | we usually have 2-3 people above 20 stacks and 5-10 in the teens....everyone else is dead |
| 22:58.54 | Thunder_Child | when we kill mally |
| 22:58.59 | Thunder_Child | maly* |
| 22:59.12 | Gnarfoz | yeah, something like that for us, too :p |
| 22:59.35 | Gnarfoz | why am I reminded of yesterday's conversation in this very channel about the same topic |
| 22:59.38 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 22:59.44 | Thunder_Child | it would be nice if i could figure out which debuff is mine |
| 22:59.52 | Gnarfoz | that's easily done |
| 22:59.57 | Thunder_Child | like a little colored square around it |
| 23:00.00 | Gnarfoz | or rather, not easily, but solutions exist. :p |
| 23:00.01 | Thunder_Child | or something |
| 23:00.13 | Gnarfoz | MalygosHelper, for one |
| 23:00.38 | Gnarfoz | (and MalygosFlamer, and there's even another one the name of which I forgot because it's the most recent of the 3) |
| 23:00.51 | Thunder_Child | MalygosStacks |
| 23:01.12 | Thunder_Child | s/sS/s S/ |
| 23:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 23:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | My friend is driving 200 miles north for spring break |
| 23:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Bringing his computer, and his desk |
| 23:02.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 23:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Setting up here |
| 23:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And raiding |
| 23:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ............................. |
| 23:02.55 | Gnarfoz | your point? |
| 23:03.03 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, you have several right there! |
| 23:03.30 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, you dont have a spare desk? |
| 23:03.36 | Gnarfoz | hahaha nice |
| 23:14.12 | NeoTron | is theer a malygos 6m achievement tracker btw? |
| 23:14.19 | NeoTron | so I can track it even though I completed it |
| 23:14.37 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: were you the one who didn't believe in shielding/healing on Malygos? :P |
| 23:14.59 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, i dunno abour believe...i simply said we dont do it |
| 23:15.18 | Thunder_Child | about* |
| 23:18.04 | NeoTron | just amusing considering your comment about having like 7-13 people alive at death ;-) |
| 23:18.17 | NeoTron | maybe if you had healers and/or used shields you'd have more |
| 23:18.25 | Esamynn | I'm surprised that that strategy works |
| 23:18.28 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, that usualy has to do with people not following directions |
| 23:18.36 | Thunder_Child | in the 10 man we had no one dead |
| 23:18.51 | NeoTron | 10 man != 25 man |
| 23:18.52 | Esamynn | with no healing being done? |
| 23:18.54 | NeoTron | there's more damage in 25-man |
| 23:18.55 | Thunder_Child | but regardless all that matters is killing the boss |
| 23:19.06 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, yes, but only the aoe heal |
| 23:19.14 | Esamynn | uhh |
| 23:19.18 | Esamynn | what other healing is there? |
| 23:19.22 | Esamynn | :P |
| 23:19.24 | Thunder_Child | self heal |
| 23:19.26 | Thunder_Child | shield |
| 23:19.32 | NeoTron | self heal? no |
| 23:19.34 | NeoTron | HoT yes |
| 23:19.36 | Dagmar | A frantic grabbing-at of netherweave bandages |
| 23:19.50 | Thunder_Child | HoT is a heal |
| 23:20.00 | NeoTron | difference between a good and a bad Malygos healer is the use of the HoT |
| 23:20.25 | NeoTron | i.e some people just use it on themself and spam aoe. others actually heal smartly |
| 23:20.45 | Esamynn | does the beam from Malygos not kill without the shield on 10 man? |
| 23:20.51 | mikma | 3 3 3 3 3 1 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 ..... =) |
| 23:21.03 | NeoTron | Esamynn: it's very healable |
| 23:21.10 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt kill in the 25 mean either |
| 23:21.23 | Thunder_Child | s/mean/man/ |
| 23:21.32 | NeoTron | by itself, once, no |
| 23:21.33 | Esamynn | I guess I've never actually looked at how much damage it did |
| 23:21.56 | NeoTron | but in combination with the aoe and more than one in a row it isn't unlikely that it will |
| 23:22.37 | Dagmar | Meh. If it's not my boss expecting me to do work at work, it's guildportal being flaky. *sigh* |
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| 23:27.16 | DWSR | Time to turn on my frankenbox. |
| 23:27.26 | DWSR | Everyone ready for my broken pipe? |
| 23:30.29 | cbreak | I usually do three times 1 then 2 |
| 23:30.33 | cbreak | and 3 only when needed |
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| 23:55.08 | Tem | WHY CAN'T PEOPLE GET YOUR/YOU'RE right? |
| 23:55.11 | Tem | WHY WHY WHY WHY |
| 23:55.26 | Hjalte | Your angry. |
| 23:56.49 | Dagmar | because they're retarded |
| 23:56.55 | Thunder_Child | because it's fun to anoy others |
| 23:57.17 | mikma | tem: your gay |
| 23:58.46 | Tekkub | http://hugsformonsters.com/images/blog/IE1.jpg |
| 23:59.12 | mikma | tem: oh right i didn't paste that t-shirt picture |
| 23:59.49 | mikma | tem: it has big "YOUR GAY" text and under was text: 'my gay what?' |
