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| 00:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | How was dinner? |
| 00:04.08 | Shirik | good good |
| 00:04.11 | Shirik | you didn't show up though :( |
| 00:05.55 | Lopeppeppy | I know, I was talking with my Mom. |
| 00:06.03 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 00:06.10 | Shirik | Searching for messages received since your last time on: |
| 00:06.17 | Shirik | > Quasar Cannon on Ferrengal blasted cogwheel for 2463 points (atmos) |
| 00:06.17 | Shirik | > Quasar Cannon on Ferrengal DESTROYED cogwheel |
| 00:06.39 | Tekkub | 5213. æ¤æ¾ä¼¸å¤« - [Dear Friends: Music From Final Fantasy #10] Ronfaure |
| 00:06.41 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.50 | Tekkub | I miss that game, but I don't miss PLAYING it |
| 00:06.54 | Esamynn | Shirik: yah, that made me happy ;) |
| 00:07.01 | Shirik | The 5 things before it in the logs though |
| 00:07.03 | Shirik | I'm not so happy about |
| 00:07.26 | Esamynn | yah... |
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| 00:10.54 | Thunder_Child | why all the hate for cog? |
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| 00:15.28 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: He is an evil, evil man |
| 00:17.07 | GitFinger | while I think of it... reminds me |
| 00:17.39 | GitFinger | http://www.amazon.com/Cogwheel-Brain-Doron-Swade/dp/0316648477 |
| 00:18.01 | bleeter | every time I pass my bookshelf, I shudder ;) |
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| 00:27.10 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: because he's evil! ;) |
| 00:27.27 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: you should join the game and be evil with him! 8) |
| 00:28.13 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/110342 |
| 00:28.16 | Shirik | Look at that evilness! |
| 00:29.35 | Tekkub | I think you meant geekyness |
| 00:31.03 | mikma | ya, geek |
| 00:31.13 | Shirik | is fun :P |
| 00:31.22 | Shirik | if being a geek is wrong I don't want to be right |
| 00:31.38 | Tuller | i'm not sure what that is related to at all |
| 00:32.00 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21062 |
| 00:45.12 | Sixen | I live!! |
| 00:45.15 | Shirik | lies |
| 00:45.45 | AnduinLothar | Nef lol: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4123044709611719596 |
| 00:48.09 | mikma | YAY FOR JPEG QUALITY |
| 00:49.30 | AnduinLothar | yeah, it's pretty crap |
| 00:49.35 | AnduinLothar | it's a boring video anyway |
| 00:49.37 | Kaso | Did he solo the draks himself? |
| 00:49.41 | AnduinLothar | that's 10x speed |
| 00:49.45 | AnduinLothar | yeah i did, lol |
| 00:50.02 | Kaso | oh its you? well done |
| 00:50.11 | AnduinLothar | i forgot I had the interface turned off |
| 00:50.20 | AnduinLothar | when i started recording |
| 00:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 00:50.28 | Lopeppeppy | AnduinLothar rocks my socks, that is all. |
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| 00:51.41 | AnduinLothar | it took about 50 min total |
| 00:52.29 | AnduinLothar | cause he kept using BoP |
| 00:53.29 | AnduinLothar | i was trying to make it slightly more interesting, but iMovie blows |
| 00:54.42 | Shirik | iAnything blows |
| 00:54.53 | mikma | iQuit |
| 00:55.01 | Shirik | has apple trademarked the letter "i" yet? |
| 00:55.26 | AnduinLothar | i have an imovie like 2 versions old, it can't even specify movie dimentions |
| 00:55.37 | AnduinLothar | you can only pick between a few standard movie sizes |
| 00:55.40 | mikma | shirik: i, i, i.. don't know |
| 01:04.50 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/blackgyver.jpg |
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| 01:24.05 | kraftman | odd |
| 01:25.41 | Dagmar | even. |
| 01:27.23 | Shirik | zero |
| 01:28.30 | Dagmar | *sigh* GuildPortal is nice enough, but wow their CSS could use work |
| 01:30.25 | mikma | shirik: oh shi... |
| 01:32.39 | Thrae | What's a good addon to sync in-game calendars with ones on a guild website? We use Guild Portal. |
| 01:33.25 | Dagmar | I haven't noticed any way to get that data out easily, yet. |
| 01:34.54 | Dagmar | If we're lucky, they'll start making guild calendars available through Armory |
| 01:36.57 | Tem | Dagmar, they already do |
| 01:36.59 | kd3 | aren't they? you just need to be logged in |
| 01:37.08 | Dagmar | REally? |
| 01:37.44 | Dagmar | Where'd they hide it? |
| 01:37.59 | kd3 | log in, then select your character |
| 01:38.14 | kd3 | there's a 'calendar' tab at the top of the page |
| 01:39.12 | Dagmar | Weird. It's not on the page you see when you pull up your guild, logged in or not. Lemme check my toon's page |
| 01:39.25 | kd3 | http://www.wowarmory.com/vault/character-calendar.xml?r=Medivh&n=Kaydeethree |
| 01:39.29 | kd3 | change args as appropriate |
| 01:40.15 | Dagmar | Wow that's just odd. I wonder why they didn't add it to the tabs for the guild pages |
| 01:40.37 | kd3 | it should be there... I just get to it from my char page since I've got that bookmarked |
| 01:41.07 | Gnarfoz | it's probably not there because there's no "guild" calendar in that sense |
| 01:41.30 | Dagmar | I guess it's more to file under "WoWArmory is beta" |
| 01:42.07 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't make much more sense, but whatever ^^ |
| 01:42.26 | Dagmar | Viewing the page for the guild (logged in or not) it just shows bank contents and bank log, roster and statistic. |
| 01:42.29 | Dagmar | er statistics. |
| 01:42.42 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 01:42.59 | Gnarfoz | because those are directly guild related and not bound to any character |
| 01:43.11 | Gnarfoz | the calendar however differs for each character |
| 01:43.25 | Gnarfoz | so it's on the character page, not on the guild page =) |
| 01:43.49 | Gnarfoz | can't you even invite random people anyway? |
| 01:46.50 | Tekkub | yes you can invite anyone |
| 01:47.13 | Tekkub | you just get mass-invite on create from guild |
| 01:49.06 | Dagmar | kd3: Probably more bugs in ARmory. When I'm there and I click on my guild's name it should bring up the guild page, but I just get their fancy 404 page |
| 01:49.36 | kd3 | that sounds roughly par for the course |
| 01:52.51 | Sargeras | viewing armory pages now requires a login? |
| 01:52.53 | Dagmar | It's less buggy than Warcrafter.net at least |
| 01:53.00 | Dagmar | Viewing *some* data from them does |
| 01:53.04 | Dagmar | LIke, what's in the bank |
| 01:53.07 | Sargeras | ah |
| 01:53.29 | Sargeras | I clicked on kd3's link and it asked for login heh |
| 01:53.47 | Sargeras | "This page contains login-protected content you do not have access to, since it is not associated with the World of Warcraft account currently logged in to the Armory." |
| 01:53.51 | Sargeras | o_0 |
| 01:53.58 | bleeter | ZorbaBeta: is it QH that's possible putting the blue ! on my world map for the location of my dailies? if so, how do I get it to stop showing ally dailies and show horde daily givers instead? |
| 01:54.17 | smcn | anyone know of a name change/server transfer "detective" site besides wowprogress |
| 01:54.21 | Dagmar | I don't think that's QUestHelper' |
| 01:54.27 | bleeter | hmmm |
| 01:54.34 | Legorol | bleeter: it's default UI |
| 01:54.35 | bleeter | ZorbaBeta: nm, might be this daily quest tracker thing I have |
| 01:55.00 | Dagmar | I've never seen QH put markers on the map for quests I wasn't currently on |
| 01:55.04 | bleeter | Legorol: oO default UI shows location of dailies? |
| 01:55.41 | Dagmar | On the minimap, but not the world map |
| 01:55.42 | Legorol | oh my bad, not on the world map >.< |
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| 02:01.56 | bleeter | Sargeras: as for that login thing, yes login is required to view a char's calendar and guild vault etc. |
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| 02:13.06 | UltraNurd | quick question: if I'm using the Blizzard options panel, what event do I need to hook to do something when the panel is displayed? |
| 02:13.13 | UltraNurd | OnShow seems to be called only once at load time |
| 02:13.33 | UltraNurd | not every time my options pane comes to the front (as opposed to some other mods, or the default interface options) |
| 02:13.34 | AnduinLothar | there's some method... |
| 02:13.46 | AnduinLothar | i just dont knwo what i did! |
| 02:13.52 | Tekkub | what is it with sites that mindlessly mirror software? http://gist.github.com/80232 |
| 02:13.56 | AnduinLothar | could check the Portfolio source, i know i did it |
| 02:15.00 | Tekkub | looks like it's not just me either... |
| 02:15.01 | Tekkub | http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/VisualHeal.shtml |
| 02:15.05 | Tekkub | http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Malygos-Stacks.shtml |
| 02:15.27 | UltraNurd | I guess it's because storage is cheap, and they want to play SEO and try to get eyeballs for their ads? |
| 02:16.12 | Tekkub | Cairenn|afk, le poke |
| 02:16.26 | Shirik | Tekkub, I did not authorize you to poke Cairenn|afk, especially in a french manner! |
| 02:16.46 | Tekkub | fine, then the poke has been transferred to you |
| 02:16.49 | Tekkub | no takebacks |
| 02:16.51 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, Le Prod! |
| 02:17.02 | Tekkub | you'll just have to enjoy it |
| 02:17.06 | Shirik | oh I will ;) |
| 02:17.38 | Shirik | is there something you wanted or did you really need her |
| 02:18.47 | Codayus | Tekkub: The softpedia links have google ads. If they've got content that they don't have the right to display that's a violation of Google's terms. Click the "ads by google" link and report them to Google. |
| 02:19.12 | Shirik | I believe Tekkub's software is under a open source license, though |
| 02:19.22 | Shirik | in which case they have the explicit right to do that |
| 02:19.29 | Tekkub | well, they were so kind to inform me, so I'll play the game for at least a short time and ask them to take it down |
| 02:19.39 | Tekkub | Shirik, it is NOT |
| 02:19.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:19.44 | Shirik | well then |
| 02:19.53 | Shirik | they can get in serious trouble |
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| 02:20.45 | Codayus | http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66359 |
| 02:21.00 | Tekkub | they even put "License: freeware" on their sie, lawl |
| 02:21.11 | UltraNurd | AnduinLothar: I looked at Portfolio, and I see you use OnShow, OnLeave, and OnEnter, but nothing obvious that should get called every time that frame gets focus |
| 02:21.37 | Codayus | And https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/request.py?search_ask=1&subtopic=&contact=rpv&main_topic=other&contact_type=11&contact_topic=Report+a+policy+violation&Action.Search=Continue |
| 02:21.42 | Codayus | Gee that's an ugly URL |
| 02:22.13 | AnduinLothar | every time it gets focused? why do you want that? |
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| 02:23.32 | AnduinLothar | might you want optionsFrame.refresh ? |
| 02:25.33 | UltraNurd | it seemed like the best time to calculate some of the values I want to display is as the relevant fontstrings become visible |
| 02:25.39 | Thunder_Child | whats going on tomorrow? mini patch? |
| 02:27.17 | UltraNurd | focus might be the wrong word. I thought OnShow is what I wanted, but that is apparently not called every time the options frame is, you know, shown |
| 02:27.20 | AnduinLothar | ahh i handled that with some elaborate code |
| 02:27.33 | AnduinLothar | added a .UpdateBox |
| 02:27.58 | UltraNurd | I could try to make sure the value gets changed every time an event occurs that might change it |
| 02:28.05 | AnduinLothar | for updating the wrappign of text and sizign of elements when the size of the parent container changes |
| 02:28.16 | mikma | tekkub: wait what, quelevel os x? |
| 02:28.20 | UltraNurd | but those events update some values in the settings, and I really just want to pull whatever is in there when this is shown |
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| 02:28.34 | Tekkub | yea that's the worst part, retards |
| 02:28.48 | Tekkub | platform independat idjuts |
| 02:29.05 | Tekkub | wow my bad spelling made that statement lose it's authority |
| 02:29.15 | Thunder_Child | can you do a timed CoS on normal? |
| 02:29.27 | AnduinLothar | What exactly are you tyring to do UltraNurd |
| 02:30.16 | UltraNurd | for this particular field, I just want to display how many companions are currently known |
| 02:30.37 | Shirik | and what does OnFocus have to do with that |
| 02:31.08 | UltraNurd | I was using "focus" to mean "this frame is in front", which is not the way it's used in WoW UI. sorry for the confusion. |
| 02:31.17 | Tekkub | all I can say is, lawl.... http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/WowMatrix-WoW-Addon-Updater.shtml |
| 02:31.34 | UltraNurd | when that options panel is displayed, I want to update that number |
| 02:31.52 | UltraNurd | I'm used to toolkits that allow this, I'm just not sure what the event is called |
| 02:32.29 | Tekkub | wow has frame focus, but people rarely touch it |
| 02:32.34 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.36 | Tekkub | you're probably after the OnShow script |
| 02:32.40 | WobWork | wtf? |
| 02:32.48 | WobWork | What metrics do they use =P |
| 02:33.02 | Tekkub | the ones in their head, pulled out through the ass |
| 02:33.08 | Shirik | ow |
| 02:33.10 | Shirik | that must hurt |
| 02:33.11 | UltraNurd | yeah, I used OnShow... but it's not called every time it's shown. That's why I'm asking :D |
| 02:33.15 | Tekkub | the process of extraction yeilds some interesting results |
| 02:33.31 | Tekkub | yes, it is called every time |
| 02:33.45 | Tekkub | it would be useless if it didn't |
| 02:33.47 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 02:33.48 | Shirik | If you think it isn't called every time then you did it wrong. |
| 02:33.48 | Arrowmaster | http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Mac-Pack-WoW-Private-Server.shtml |
| 02:33.51 | WobWork | hm, far too many exclaimation marks in that description |
| 02:34.08 | Arrowmaster | seriously contact softpedia, i bet its one editor thats adding all this stuff |
| 02:34.19 | Shirik | ok guys I know we're all poking fun at softpedia, but suffice to say let's stop linking those things in here |
| 02:35.09 | Thunder_Child | http://windows.softpedia/com/get/fail/shirik.shtml |
| 02:35.18 | Shirik | lack of .com |
| 02:35.20 | Shirik | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 02:35.21 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 02:35.23 | Thunder_Child | damn |
| 02:35.28 | Thunder_Child | i knew i forgot something |
| 02:35.39 | Shirik | or rather it appears your . became a / |
| 02:35.40 | UltraNurd | aha, you're right. the value isn't updating for another reason. I was confused because onshow was getting called once before anything was shown (before variables loaded, even) |
| 02:35.43 | Thunder_Child | oh, i had the com |
| 02:35.44 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 02:36.16 | AnduinLothar | its called when you register, no? |
| 02:37.02 | Tekkub | I did contact softpedia, as the contacted me :P |
| 02:37.09 | Tekkub | AnduinLothar, you mean the OnShow? |
| 02:37.21 | Tekkub | no, it's called on any show AFTER it's been registered |
| 02:37.30 | Tekkub | it's not called on register if the frame is visible |
| 02:37.49 | Tekkub | if myframe:IsVisible() then doshit() end |
| 02:37.52 | AnduinLothar | well i mean registered with blizard's code, it doesnt call it? |
| 02:38.10 | Tekkub | no, it's only called on visibility change |
| 02:38.18 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 02:38.24 | Tekkub | never on register, no script handler is ever called when it's registered |
| 02:38.29 | AnduinLothar | .... |
| 02:38.38 | AnduinLothar | the ui panel register code |
| 02:38.42 | AnduinLothar | not CreateFrame |
| 02:39.12 | Tekkub | that register doesn't show any frames |
| 02:39.15 | UltraNurd | I have some default chat frame prints for debugging, and my onshow method is being called before the variables_loaded event is handled |
| 02:39.19 | Tekkub | it just adds em to the list |
| 02:39.47 | UltraNurd | although maybe it has something to do with when I call initializecontrols |
| 02:39.58 | Tekkub | UltraNurd, gif code |
| 02:40.10 | UltraNurd | gif? |
| 02:40.14 | Tekkub | gif |
| 02:40.34 | Shirik | is like git |
| 02:40.36 | Shirik | but not sucky |
| 02:40.38 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/ paste yur shit |
| 02:42.17 | UltraNurd | http://gist.github.com/80244 |
| 02:42.51 | UltraNurd | Critterer_Options_OnShow() is being called sometime before the message in Critterer_Options_OnEvent() is printed |
| 02:42.55 | UltraNurd | which seems odd |
| 02:43.03 | UltraNurd | since the options panel isn't yet open at that point |
| 02:43.42 | Tekkub | and your xml? |
| 02:43.48 | Tekkub | also, xml == barf :P |
| 02:44.29 | UltraNurd | http://gist.github.com/80245 |
| 02:44.51 | Shirik | xml evil |
| 02:44.52 | UltraNurd | CrittererGeneralOptions/Scripts/OnShow |
| 02:45.24 | UltraNurd | in general, or just for WoW UI? :P |
| 02:45.34 | Shirik | both, especially the latter |
| 02:46.09 | UltraNurd | I'm used to it. I haven't had any problems, outside of not understanding the order in which things happen |
| 02:46.22 | Shirik | And in return you write about 10 times the amount of code |
| 02:46.33 | Shirik | if you can call it "code" |
| 02:48.35 | WobWork | http://www.hanselman.com/blog/FizzBinTheTechnicalSupportSecretHandshake.aspx |
| 02:49.35 | Thunder_Child | sweet WobWork |
| 02:50.01 | Tekkub | mmm...mixed tabs and spaces for indents... nice... |
| 02:50.33 | Zyndrome | ffffffuuuuu- |
| 02:50.34 | UltraNurd | probably aquamacs run amok again. certain modes seem to overwrite my .emacs settings |
| 02:50.35 | mikma | wobwork: pizzfin |
| 02:50.40 | Zyndrome | havn't read notalwaysright.com in a long while |
| 02:50.52 | WobWork | Zyndrome: It's in my list of daily feeds =P |
| 02:54.24 | Tekkub | erm, okey UltraNurd... first off your frame has no parent, which the option thingy takes care of when you register... |
| 02:54.31 | Tekkub | second, it's not set to hidden on load |
| 02:54.45 | Tekkub | so I can only assume the game is calling that OnShow after it makes the frame |
| 02:55.00 | Tekkub | this is never the case with lua frame creation :P |
| 02:55.26 | UltraNurd | probably was following some out-of-date examples |
| 02:55.32 | Tekkub | and if you do it lua-ish you can delay the actual frame creation until your config UI is opened, thus not wasting memory every time your addon loads |
| 02:55.40 | UltraNurd | you could write a new article on the glories of avoiding xml :) |
| 02:55.50 | Tekkub | uh, I probably have |
| 02:55.51 | mikma | i can do that |
| 02:55.59 | mikma | "DO NOT CODE WITH XML" |
| 02:56.02 | mikma | done. |
| 02:56.12 | Tekkub | anyway, any of my addons that have config use that stuff, go rip them apart :P |
| 02:56.46 | UltraNurd | ah, interesting. so the frame is just floating around there invisibly chewing up memory even when the options panel doesn't exist, because I don't set the parentage until later |
| 02:57.01 | Tekkub | no, not because of parent |
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| 02:57.07 | Tekkub | because XML runs EVERY TIME |
| 02:57.31 | Tekkub | whereas lua you can divert the widget creation until your frame is shown |
| 02:57.50 | Tekkub | i.e. you only make the frames if they're actually going to be used |
| 02:58.11 | UltraNurd | do you have a link to a good explanation? I started from wowwiki and looking at the blizzard code |
| 02:58.31 | UltraNurd | perhaps it was a mistake to assume blizzard writes good addon config panels v.v |
| 02:58.42 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/buffet/blob/83cb63ecb30dfae0471daf58dbf8311937a99a15/Config.lua |
| 02:58.50 | Tekkub | blizzard loves the xml |
| 02:58.53 | Tekkub | we don't :P |
| 02:59.09 | mikma | blizz has tool so they can love xml |
| 02:59.16 | Tekkub | s/has/is a/ |
| 02:59.19 | Thunder_Child | blizzards also gets to do things with the code that you can never do |
| 02:59.38 | Thunder_Child | s/s// |
| 02:59.47 | Tekkub | blizzy gets one simple assumption we don't... their frames always need to load |
| 03:00.33 | mikma | like back in the days when slouken wrote the addon for the handicapped dude |
| 03:00.45 | Thunder_Child | that just had his name in it |
| 03:00.52 | mikma | everyone was like "zomg cheat! signed code!" |
| 03:00.53 | Tekkub | aroooo? |
| 03:01.13 | Tekkub | I missed slouken writing an addon? |
| 03:01.20 | Iriel | Movepad |
| 03:01.22 | UltraNurd | ineresting |
| 03:01.24 | Duman | heh |
| 03:01.26 | Iriel | I think that was the name |
| 03:01.31 | Tekkub | how could he stoop to our level? |
| 03:01.36 | mikma | its in wowi |
| 03:01.43 | AnduinLothar | it was for disabled people |
| 03:01.44 | Tekkub | I've lost all respect for him now |
| 03:01.46 | mikma | only place he "released" it afaik |
| 03:01.54 | Tekkub | but I still want to play with his beard |
| 03:02.32 | mikma | and movepad still works.. i tried it month ago |
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| 03:04.27 | UltraNurd | well, thanks for the suggestions |
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| 03:05.00 | mikma | now, someone be a sport and decrypt sloukens addon =D |
| 03:05.14 | Duman | is it obfuscated or something? |
| 03:05.15 | mikma | then we can start abusing protected code too! |
| 03:05.17 | AnduinLothar | it's not encrypted. |
| 03:05.52 | mikma | it has the .sig or whatever with it |
| 03:06.01 | Tekkub | yea that's signing |
| 03:06.06 | AnduinLothar | prolly just a hash with a secret key |
| 03:06.12 | Tekkub | which is encryptions, yes, but the addon's not encrypted |
| 03:10.35 | bleeter | where's his addon? |
| 03:11.45 | bleeter | oh outdated... nm ;) |
| 03:12.57 | mikma | outdated my ass |
| 03:13.00 | mikma | still works |
| 03:13.38 | mikma | some admin just needs to check the "works with wotlk" |
| 03:13.57 | mikma | i'm sure slouken won't do it himself hehe |
| 03:14.01 | Legorol | mikma: i'm not sure it has the right TOC number, so an admin can't just flip the WotLK flag |
| 03:14.40 | mikma | it prollu has 2.x toc =/ |
| 03:16.37 | Tekkub | there was no TOC lockout with wrath |
| 03:16.50 | Tekkub | 2xxxx TOCs should load |
| 03:17.28 | Tekkub | s/should // |
| 03:17.33 | Tekkub | I have a few of my own :P |
| 03:17.45 | mikma | heh same |
| 03:18.10 | mikma | reason why i was lazy to update neonchat was the fact it works |
| 03:18.36 | Tekkub | that's not lazy |
| 03:18.41 | Tekkub | that's "it doesn't need updated" |
| 03:19.29 | mikma | well i wanted the hot icon on my addon so i did a .toc bump =D |
| 03:19.51 | mikma | hot as in wrath |
| 03:27.56 | Thunder_Child | fail names in this group....wyattwywy, luncitit.... |
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| 03:43.14 | Iriel | Unfortunately it's not very interesting, |
| 03:45.32 | NightHawkTheSane | no super simian sphere? :() |
| 03:46.36 | Iriel | Sash of Jordan |
| 03:47.48 | mikma | Stone of Jordan ftw |
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| 03:54.20 | bleeter | does UnitLevel not take a player name as a Unit? |
| 03:54.34 | Shirik | there are only certain cases where a player name is a unit |
| 03:54.35 | bleeter | for some reason seems to be returning 0 to me |
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| 03:54.50 | Shirik | specifically, when that player is in your group/raid |
| 03:55.08 | bleeter | ah, so to see someone's level who's 'randomly' whispered me I need to do a proper who lookup? |
| 03:55.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:55.57 | bleeter | ah well that'd explain why (a) the code didn't work and (b) all the lvl 80's requesting party invites were being told they were too low level =)) |
| 03:56.02 | bleeter | Shirik: thanks mate :) |
| 03:56.57 | Iriel | bleeter: please tell me you weren't the person who's comment was in my inbox this morning? |
| 03:57.14 | bleeter | yeah, I just wanna know how I killed myself :P |
| 03:57.48 | bleeter | or same faction toons etc. maybe I should look at the code instead or something ;) |
| 03:57.52 | Iriel | Some of the events were very broken at one point |
| 03:57.57 | Iriel | Most of them got fixed |
| 03:58.31 | Iriel | but when combat events were new, there were some.. odd.. thiings |
| 03:58.43 | bleeter | my SV is only... about a month old |
| 03:59.01 | bleeter | still busted? |
| 03:59.59 | bleeter | doesn't worry me that much just got me curious was all :) |
| 04:00.11 | bleeter | oh shit |
| 04:00.23 | bleeter | i just coded up the changes for my stuff... as per discussion with shirik |
| 04:00.31 | bleeter | and managed to close the app instead of save OK |
| 04:00.33 | bleeter | FAIL |
| 04:00.47 | Iriel | Its possible that you hurt yourself, then when you die it thinks you killed yourself? |
| 04:01.44 | bleeter | I'd be prepared to go with that, still trying to work out why it thinks realmies killed me |
| 04:01.47 | Tekkub | yea, quit cutting yourself and blaming bugs bitch |
| 04:02.06 | bleeter | how can someone on my faction hurt me directly? |
| 04:02.34 | Tekkub | the better question is, WHY are they hurting you |
| 04:03.47 | bleeter | coz i'm a pain in the ass, prolly |
| 04:04.02 | bleeter | i mean, that's why you want to hurt me, yes? |
| 04:04.08 | Tekkub | there you go, problem solved |
| 04:04.17 | Tekkub | no I just enjoy it |
| 04:05.10 | Iriel | bleeter: You may be MCed or somesuch? |
| 04:05.30 | Iriel | bleeter: I guess I should put some more diagnostics in on the flags to report wacky events |
| 04:06.08 | Tekkub | yea, realtime feedback would help a ton in finding when it happens |
| 04:06.11 | bleeter | just thinking... I've mainly been in WG... |
| 04:06.38 | bleeter | maybe it's some whack vehicle thing |
| 04:06.41 | bleeter | or turret |
| 04:07.06 | Iriel | It was happening pre-LK |
| 04:07.16 | bleeter | ah, true. fair call. |
| 04:07.20 | Iriel | though who says it didn't get worse after 8-) |
| 04:07.21 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 04:07.24 | Iriel | I have 8 kills against myself |
| 04:07.34 | bleeter | particulary seeing I'm now looking at this whole WHO thing ugh that's nasty ugly |
| 04:07.40 | Iriel | Interestingly, some "with pet" |
| 04:07.45 | Iriel | which is strange for a DK |
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| 04:07.51 | Iriel | so vehicles may well be contributing |
| 04:07.58 | bleeter | that /who API screams to me 'HAI CODER WOW USED TO BE AN IRC DAEMON' |
| 04:08.21 | bleeter | ie, next to totally useless for anything of value from an IM style point of view ;) |
| 04:08.38 | Tekkub | I'll place my bets that chat is managed by a separate IRC server |
| 04:08.54 | Tekkub | I remember the good old days when the world would crash but chat wouldn't |
| 04:09.10 | bleeter | yar, it's all some sort of IRC daemon with a 3D front end, really |
| 04:09.17 | bleeter | from what I've been able to deduce |
| 04:09.26 | bleeter | *bunch of IRC type daemons |
| 04:09.28 | Tekkub | IRC + Database + 3d rendering |
| 04:09.32 | bleeter | yar |
| 04:10.08 | Tekkub | + pseudo-random number generator :) |
| 04:10.12 | bleeter | Tekkub: and when the world crashed and you could still talk, you were looting and stuck kneeling too ;) |
| 04:10.28 | Tekkub | no I was usually dead and couldn't rez |
| 04:10.32 | bleeter | hahaha |
| 04:11.13 | bleeter | man that who/chat API needs overhaul if blizz ever seriously want out-of-game chat client |
| 04:11.46 | bleeter | hang on.. didn't slouken say before BC that he was thinking of overhauling chat, but not until 3.0? |
| 04:11.53 | bleeter | dang wish I could find that post now, old forums |
| 04:11.54 | Iriel | I dont think so |
| 04:12.08 | bleeter | thought he did say something about changing chat behaviour, but not for BC |
| 04:12.12 | bleeter | ./me shrugs |
| 04:12.25 | bleeter | still, while I'm banging on about it |
| 04:12.42 | bleeter | WTB: Ability to use Blizz voice servers to call their billing and support depts. |
| 04:13.50 | bleeter | saves either me, or them, money on the international call fees n 800 #'s etc. |
| 04:13.55 | bleeter | you know it makes sense ;) |
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| 04:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | This is just depressing |
| 04:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't use the new CPU, because the motherboard is off for an RMA |
| 04:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't use the new GPU because it covers my SATA ports on my existing board |
| 04:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't use the new RAM because it is DDR3, not DDR2 |
| 04:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So all of these new shinies will haunt me for a good week while the RMA processes :( |
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| 04:18.19 | Shirik | /gloat ScytheBlade1 |
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| 04:18.57 | Codayus | Need a forward replacement warranty. :-) |
| 04:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree, but oh well |
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| 04:20.01 | bleeter | huh? SendWho returns nil? |
| 04:20.34 | Thunder_Child | btdt ScytheBlade1, btdt |
| 04:22.58 | bleeter | setwhotoui wtf? |
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| 04:24.00 | Iriel | it tells it whether the event should fire the event or respond in chat |
| 04:24.29 | bleeter | yeah, i grok that. just trying to block <lvl 50 players from attempting to join WG raids... |
| 04:24.40 | bleeter | ... seems like an awful lot of effort required |
| 04:25.27 | Iriel | the who API is irritating to use programatically unless you're doing the two oeprations blizzard support easily |
| 04:25.37 | Iriel | I think that may be deliberate, given that it's a high-overhead operation |
| 04:26.13 | bleeter | hmm, it's a tad annoying as there's no Blizz provided way to form up a WG raid |
| 04:26.44 | bleeter | and these new restrictions on entry and tenacity calcs... make detection of toon levels desirable |
| 04:26.57 | Thunder_Child | well thats the first time i have ever does an instance for an item and it droped on the first run |
| 04:27.05 | Iriel | why not invite then reject if not 80? |
| 04:27.17 | Iriel | isn't that like, a million times easier? |
| 04:27.33 | Iriel | (okay, not a million, perhaps 20 or so) |
| 04:27.36 | Shirik | Iriel: Not if you're trying to invite, say, a guild |
| 04:27.46 | Shirik | though you can /who a guild |
| 04:27.49 | bleeter | Iriel: I advertise 'pst 'inv' to me for WG raid', they pst inv to me. |
| 04:27.51 | WobWork | "We've lent a huge amount of capital to the US, and of course we're concerned about the security of our assets. And to speak truthfully, I am a little bit worried." |
| 04:27.54 | WobWork | hehe subtle |
| 04:27.58 | Iriel | is it your guild? |
| 04:28.09 | bleeter | now, if I fire off the invite event the raid is 'blocked' potentially from adding more people until accept/decline takes place |
| 04:28.15 | Shirik | Iriel, I meant a list of people all at once, not necessarily guild |
| 04:28.19 | bleeter | by firing off invites to people i'm gunna kick anyways... |
| 04:28.37 | bleeter | .. kinda makes it possible to grief the addon |
| 04:28.38 | Shirik | The problem is when the raid gets full of invites, right |
| 04:28.47 | Shirik | Denial of Service, in WoW! |
| 04:28.48 | Shirik | ha |
| 04:28.54 | Iriel | well, you could cache results |
| 04:28.58 | Iriel | like, names you know are 80 |
| 04:29.02 | Iriel | and names you know are not |
| 04:29.03 | bleeter | as I say |
| 04:29.09 | bleeter | overly complicated. |
| 04:29.19 | bleeter | all I wanna know is the lvl of someone who's sent a pst |
| 04:29.40 | Tekkub | *mumble* I'm starting to not like Console2 |
| 04:29.48 | Tekkub | anyone got another good windows console? |
| 04:29.55 | Tekkub | tabbed preferably |
| 04:30.33 | bleeter | seems like I'm having to put more load on the servers for a single piece of info |
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| 04:30.49 | Arrowmaster | honestly i think it would be nice to have a bitmask style field in chat messages containing info on the sender |
| 04:30.55 | bleeter | ^^ that |
| 04:31.05 | bleeter | or a return at least from some Who API type call |
| 04:31.26 | bleeter | the API just screams IRC which doesn't know level, zone etc. etc. etc. |
| 04:31.39 | bleeter | couple that with the oddities of /ignore.... ;) |
| 04:32.04 | Iriel | As various folks noted, the chat system is not directly coupled to the game world |
| 04:32.30 | bleeter | yar |
| 04:32.51 | Shirik | Tekkub: cmd |
| 04:32.54 | Arrowmaster | well even just level class and race would be nice |
| 04:34.07 | Tekkub | Shirik, I said good and tabbed |
| 04:34.09 | bleeter | or level class and spec type |
| 04:34.26 | bleeter | dont' see why race would necessarily be useful, tho the odd racial bonus maybe |
| 04:34.40 | Tekkub | an API to get info on a player directly would be nice |
| 04:34.47 | Tekkub | instead of the who biz |
| 04:34.57 | bleeter | still maybe the chat's sufficiently disjoint from game world to completely protect against any particular overflow type of abuse |
| 04:35.02 | Tekkub | hell, limit it even more than who is limited even |
| 04:35.12 | bleeter | seems like nuclear bomb to crack a walnut approach, though |
| 04:35.50 | Tekkub | I think it's more a matter of the who system hasn't been touched since WoW 0.x |
| 04:36.05 | Tekkub | I mean look at LFG, it gives some basic infos |
| 04:36.29 | bleeter | I'd hazard a guess that why some ppl think LFG is fail is that it don't give enough |
| 04:36.30 | kd3 | didn't they fix that for a patch or two? |
| 04:36.33 | bleeter | *enough info |
| 04:36.36 | Tekkub | fix what? |
| 04:36.42 | Tekkub | 49's the limit bitch! |
| 04:36.51 | kd3 | (49 results returned out of 4848405) |
| 04:37.06 | bleeter | that's like >500 guildies |
| 04:37.13 | bleeter | random returns from a big set |
| 04:37.23 | Tekkub | nah, the common "fail" on LFG is that you can't pick "any heroic" |
| 04:37.24 | bleeter | can't control squat |
| 04:37.33 | WobWork | Tekkub: *agrees* |
| 04:37.33 | bleeter | Tekkub: oh yeah that too |
| 04:37.37 | bleeter | very much |
| 04:37.48 | Tekkub | that one basic thing would get a lot more people using it |
| 04:37.56 | bleeter | but would be nice if looking at LFG's Chat window if the toons were colour coded and had levels... still... |
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| 04:38.15 | Tekkub | I thought they were? |
| 04:38.39 | WobWork | the chat window? You mean the channel? |
| 04:38.53 | WobWork | Tekkub: There's not much difference in texture either way =) |
| 04:38.55 | bleeter | the 'Chat Channels' window on your social tab |
| 04:38.59 | Cairenn | daughter and I just had a shot of Irish Cream |
| 04:39.05 | Tekkub | oh,I never use that |
| 04:39.09 | bleeter | jsut a list of players, no idea what classes/levels/specs they are |
| 04:39.11 | Tekkub | I thought you meant the LFG panel |
| 04:39.19 | WobWork | oh that |
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| 04:39.36 | bleeter | just 500 randoms you then have to fight the WHO API to find out wtf the healers are ;) |
| 04:39.37 | Tekkub | WobWork, I tried a Guinness once |
| 04:39.45 | WobWork | In Ireland? |
| 04:39.46 | Tekkub | one sip and I gave to to the dormmate |
| 04:39.53 | Tekkub | I don't like beer anyway |
| 04:39.58 | WobWork | Nor I |
| 04:40.03 | WobWork | I used to drink Guinness. |
| 04:40.07 | WobWork | And then I went to Dublin |
| 04:40.13 | bleeter | Guinness: Liquid vegemite. |
| 04:40.17 | WobWork | and now I can never drink it outside of Ireland again =( |
| 04:40.19 | Tekkub | and found out it was cheap imitation? |
| 04:40.27 | bleeter | Tekkub: cheap doesn't being... |
| 04:40.31 | Iriel | WobWork: I've heard that from many people |
| 04:40.38 | WobWork | Export Guinness tastes completely different |
| 04:40.41 | bleeter | *begin |
| 04:40.59 | Tekkub | I'd rather go to Scotland than Ireland anyway ^^ |
| 04:41.07 | WobWork | cause of the kilts? |
| 04:41.15 | Thunder_Child | and the furyn ess |
| 04:41.19 | Thunder_Child | furryness* |
| 04:41.23 | Tekkub | and the cuter accent |
| 04:41.29 | bleeter | Tekkub: well go to northern ireland, then.. best of both cultures ;) |
| 04:41.33 | Thunder_Child | irish accent > scotish accent |
| 04:41.37 | WobWork | As much as I love the scottish accent, the irish accent beats it totally |
| 04:42.22 | Tekkub | that might do |
| 04:42.22 | Tekkub | well the majick of the scotish accent is, you can't understand it |
| 04:42.22 | WobWork | And then there's the welsh accent, which -nobody- can understand |
| 04:42.23 | Tekkub | irish just makes me want to say "sack a patatahs: |
| 04:42.25 | bleeter | so I might wander off and make some kinda Who Improvement Suggestion post based on the previous discussion.. thanks guys |
| 04:42.28 | WobWork | I have no problem with the scottish accent |
| 04:42.39 | bleeter | thanks guys, for a moment I thought I was insane for thinking it was a bit whack ;) |
| 04:42.45 | WobWork | Tekkub: To be sure, to be sure |
| 04:42.52 | WobWork | Top o' the mornin to ye |
| 04:42.58 | Tekkub | yes, using /who from lua is Not Fun |
| 04:43.08 | Tekkub | WobWork, :P |
| 04:43.10 | WobWork | Actually, irish has a whole lot of slang that you need to understand before you can undertand them |
| 04:43.24 | bleeter | WobWork: DRINK! FECK! ARSE! GIRLS! |
| 04:43.28 | WobWork | eg, any references to "Yer man" or "Yer woman" |
| 04:43.34 | bleeter | THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER |
| 04:43.41 | bleeter | Yer won |
| 04:43.46 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:44.02 | bleeter | FECK OFF CUP |
| 04:44.19 | bleeter | my X used to hate Father Ted, thought it was racist n stuff |
| 04:44.23 | Tekkub | cup? |
| 04:44.33 | bleeter | then when we lived there, after a week she was 'wtf they really ARE like that' |
| 04:44.37 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:44.40 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.0.x ToC: 30000 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon! http://tinyurl.com/cg6rb4 | Happy St. Patty's Day! Sláinte Mhath!! | Happy Birthday MentalPower! |
| 04:44.56 | bleeter | ooh BEER @ MentalPower's place!! |
| 04:45.00 | WobWork | MP is born on St Paddy's day? |
| 04:45.05 | bleeter | everyone gatecrash! |
| 04:45.12 | WobWork | GREEN BEER FOR ALL |
| 04:45.21 | MentalPower | lol, thanks guys |
| 04:45.24 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. beer |
| 04:45.32 | MentalPower | free beer at my place (if you can get here) :P |
| 04:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | happy birthday MentalPower :) |
| 04:45.46 | bleeter | someone send MP a stripogram! |
| 04:46.13 | Nechckn | bleeter that's not how it works, he's supposed to send each of us one! |
| 04:46.16 | Nechckn | silly sheep |
| 04:46.30 | WobWork | It'll have to be an irish strippogram |
| 04:46.32 | Nechckn | Yes, yes... many happy returns and such |
| 04:46.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: i like the way you think |
| 04:46.43 | WobWork | maybe a leprechaun |
| 04:46.55 | Nechckn | WobWork now there's an idea |
| 04:47.06 | Nechckn | keep the little people employed and all, too! |
| 04:47.22 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane I try, sometimes ;-) |
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| 04:51.27 | Tekkub | s/buys/will buy/ |
| 04:51.52 | NeoTron | oh boy oh boy oh boy. time to level fishing |
| 04:51.53 | Cairenn | Tekkub: put up a link to a DMCA Take Down template for you guys to use |
| 04:52.12 | Tekkub | Cairenn, lets give it a day and see what happens |
| 04:52.12 | Cairenn | is the one Clad made for everyone when we were going after Wowkon |
| 04:52.23 | Tekkub | they did email at like 8, they might not be in the office |
| 04:52.33 | Tekkub | some of Clad's shits are up there too |
| 04:52.41 | Tekkub | we wanna sic his ass on em? |
| 04:53.12 | Cairenn | Aye. Just put it there because _technically_ each person has to send one for their own individual works. I can't DMCA them for your mods, you can't for Clad's, etc |
| 04:53.35 | Tekkub | I know I know |
| 04:53.40 | Tekkub | which sucks |
| 04:53.57 | Cairenn | now, if they (the site) is smart, they are going to look at it and go "umm, bad idea on our part, maybe we better pull all of them" |
| 04:53.59 | Tekkub | why the hell can't we abuse the DCMA too? |
| 04:54.03 | Tekkub | fucking RIAA! |
| 04:54.11 | Tekkub | everything bad about the internet is their fault |
| 04:54.26 | Cairenn | I am, however, going after them about Wowmatrix being up there, since it impacts my site |
| 04:54.31 | Tekkub | they won't do that unless they get a *lot* of them at once |
| 04:54.51 | Tekkub | HINT people... MOTHERFUCKING HINT |
| 04:54.56 | Tekkub | lets get the riot started |
| 04:55.07 | Cairenn | anyway, just wanted to let you know that I'd provided the template link |
| 04:55.07 | Tekkub | *rabble rabble rabble* |
| 04:55.28 | Tekkub | I'm rabbling to myself aren't I? |
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| 04:56.08 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 04:57.47 | Arrowmaster | i still like the idea of getting google to pull their ads from the site |
| 04:58.22 | Arrowmaster | that would get it solved real fast |
| 04:59.15 | Tekkub | That evil plan is on the list |
| 04:59.22 | Tekkub | it all depends on how shit plays out |
| 05:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | what site? |
| 05:00.49 | Arrowmaster | softpedia |
| 05:01.03 | bleeter | so has anyone actually Suggested an 'All Heroics' selection in LFG tool? |
| 05:01.29 | bleeter | or is this yet another Obvious Suggetion that Blizz need to be told of repeatedly ;) |
| 05:01.54 | Thunder_Child | it would be unlikely |
| 05:02.08 | Thunder_Child | after one completed heroic it would become useless |
| 05:02.32 | Tekkub | not really |
| 05:02.47 | bleeter | ok then, 'auto selection' where it advertises for everything you're not locked out of |
| 05:02.58 | Tekkub | oh that's even better |
| 05:03.17 | WobWork | as long as we can filter out Occulus automatically =P |
| 05:03.35 | Tekkub | just decline cockulus invites :) |
| 05:04.21 | bleeter | you'd probably want a 'with' and 'without lowbie instacnes' option too |
| 05:04.29 | bleeter | so you don't get spammed for VC all day |
| 05:04.44 | Tekkub | there is no VC heroic! |
| 05:04.58 | Tekkub | so make it "all available lv80 heroics" |
| 05:04.58 | WobWork | VC heroic is doing the instance melee only with a fishing rod |
| 05:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Finally, role-based LFG |
| 05:05.33 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, easy the the rep rod |
| 05:05.47 | Thunder_Child | s/the/with/ |
| 05:06.35 | bleeter | Tekkub: 'locked out of' would theoretically include BC heroics was really why I thought of that |
| 05:13.26 | bleeter | here's a brilliant example of WOW's chat busteroidedness |
| 05:13.28 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15671263373&sid=1 |
| 05:13.50 | bleeter | raid leader had someone on /ignore, but maanged to invite them to a raid anyways... but couldn't see the player /roll |
| 05:14.22 | bleeter | just seems kinda wrong.. if you ignore someone, no chat operations should take place towards that person. basic legal privacy 101. |
| 05:14.31 | bleeter | thus, the invite shouldn't go off or something |
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| 05:16.27 | Tekkub | or more specifically, /rolls should never be ignored from group members |
| 05:16.50 | bleeter | probably both |
| 05:17.23 | Tekkub | ya |
| 05:17.30 | Tekkub | give an error about ignore |
| 05:17.40 | Tekkub | but still allow the roll in case you weren't the inviter |
| 05:18.22 | bleeter | well if you /ignore someone during a party but don't /kick them |
| 05:18.29 | bleeter | you should see their rolls, agreed |
| 05:19.13 | bleeter | anyways, goes back to WoW being IRC and there's no /ignore on IRC thus WoW /ignore is whack ;) |
| 05:19.28 | bleeter | my deductive guess anyways :D |
| 05:20.56 | Tekkub | well you might just end up in a group with someone you ignored, but you should still see their rolls for obvious reasons |
| 05:21.22 | bleeter | anyone here on a mac? apparently you should compare it's speech output of the words 'bullfrog' and 'bullfrogs' |
| 05:22.17 | bleeter | "If you use the speech service (whether through the Services menu, the say Terminal command, or an application) to speak the word bullfrog, OS X says bullfrogs. If you instead have the system speak bullfrogs, it says bullfrog" |
| 05:24.57 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: irc has /ignore, but its client side, irc servers can also support a simaliar system but i think its called silence |
| 05:25.56 | WobWork | but silence is a mute, not an ignore, right? |
| 05:26.06 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: point me to where /ignore is mentioned in the RFCs |
| 05:26.19 | bleeter | WobWork: here's an amusing thread I know you'll like http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14498234172&sid=1 |
| 05:26.20 | Arrowmaster | its not because its client side |
| 05:26.59 | bleeter | I know |
| 05:27.06 | Arrowmaster | and you should know that there probably isnt a single IRC server left that follows the RFCs exactly |
| 05:27.17 | bleeter | I know |
| 05:27.24 | bleeter | I don't what I don't know is what you're trying to say |
| 05:27.28 | Arrowmaster | they all have their own extras |
| 05:27.37 | bleeter | d/^I don't/ |
| 05:30.58 | bleeter | OK, who's 'Welcome' the tauren hunter on Suggestion Forum? |
| 05:31.08 | bleeter | 'sif 'Looking for all heroics' wouldn't be useful |
| 05:34.48 | WobWork | link? |
| 05:37.59 | bleeter | 'I want it all I want it now' thread in suggestions, can't link atm soz |
| 05:38.43 | WobWork | damnit now I have that song stuck in my head |
| 05:40.16 | bleeter | why damnit? is a good song |
| 05:40.47 | bleeter | I couldn've engineered the post so I could've given it the subject of "Blame it on the rain" |
| 05:40.56 | bleeter | WobWork: ^^ |
| 05:41.15 | WobWork | cause I can't sing it out loud here =P |
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| 05:42.16 | kd3 | whee! sarth+2 |
| 05:42.36 | WobWork | grats! |
| 05:43.07 | kd3 | and we actually did it hardmode +2 with shadron/tenebron |
| 05:43.09 | bleeter | kd3: grats mate :) |
| 05:43.13 | bleeter | kd3: 10 or 25? |
| 05:43.20 | kd3 | 25 |
| 05:43.28 | bleeter | ooh you get the phat lewts? |
| 05:43.40 | kd3 | nothing for me |
| 05:43.49 | WobWork | =( |
| 05:43.56 | kd3 | rather, nothing I'm willing to break 4-piece for |
| 05:44.10 | bleeter | hehe |
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| 05:44.22 | bleeter | I'm still trying to give a damn about resto druid 4piece |
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| 05:44.42 | Thunder_Child | lol @ starwars bobble head @ http://www.woot.com/ |
| 05:45.22 | kd3 | sanctum's flowing vestments, chestplate of the great aspects, headpiece of reconciliation, council chamber epaulets |
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| 05:48.59 | bleeter | kd3: clearly your guild needs to run more of your code ;) |
| 05:49.11 | bleeter | particularly whoever your ML is :P |
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| 05:49.34 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:55.41 | Shirik | Percent Done: 0% |
| 05:55.48 | Shirik | Estimated time: 4 hrs -3 mins |
| 05:55.53 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 05:56.02 | Shirik | why doesn't it say 3 hours 57 mins >< |
| 06:01.30 | bleeter | Tekkub: damnit! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/images/ui/lfg02.jpg LFG tool has had the changes implemented w/o need of /who update.. /sigh |
| 06:01.57 | bleeter | er s/update/API changes/ |
| 06:02.27 | Tekkub | :P |
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| 06:04.22 | bleeter | so my PoV for requesting /who update goes out the window... thus the Suggestion. :( I dunno what else to Suggest that may help you with your desire for an improved /who |
| 06:04.34 | bleeter | 'coz I know I still want one |
| 06:05.34 | bleeter | and I really really detest Obvious Suggestion Is Obvious.. suggestion posts |
| 06:13.14 | Shirik | I suggest that your suggestion that such suggestion posts aren't useful end, because your suggestion won't be heard by the suggesters |
| 06:14.11 | Shirik | i.e., they're too stupid :P |
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| 06:23.16 | bleeter | whut? |
| 06:24.05 | bleeter | Shirik: code me some routine that retuns a level for any given playername I give it |
| 06:24.18 | bleeter | would it help if I said 'please'? |
| 06:24.20 | bleeter | :P |
| 06:25.19 | bleeter | I figure if I bug enough people eventually someone will point me at some legacy code somewhere which I can use ;) |
| 06:26.25 | bleeter | hey, easy |
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| 06:26.36 | bleeter | it's not as if I'm asking to be able to operate and RP Dancing Bear shop! |
| 06:26.48 | smoke_ | whats the best way to hide partyframes in oUF? |
| 06:27.09 | bleeter | s/and/an/ |
| 06:28.33 | bleeter | whatever did happen to customisable /dances? |
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| 06:31.12 | Torhal | bleeter: I actually forgot all about those...probably because I WTF'd when I heard they were adding them. |
| 06:31.42 | bleeter | only reason I ain't forgotten is 'coz of dartol's bloody transformation bleedin' rod ;) |
| 06:32.13 | Thunder_Child | ~swat Cairenn |
| 06:32.19 | purl | ACTION swats Cairenn with a Cairenn swatter |
| 06:32.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:34.13 | bleeter | Torhal: anyways, yeah.. big noise about them before launch. looks like might be 9-12months later before it's actually supplied. 'may change' lol |
| 06:34.21 | bleeter | *before WRath launch |
| 06:34.28 | Torhal | Soon(tm)? |
| 06:34.49 | bleeter | Very Soon |
| 06:35.17 | Shirik | Anyone know the name of that open source software for making graphs? |
| 06:35.32 | bleeter | gd? |
| 06:35.41 | Shirik | no |
| 06:35.49 | bleeter | that's just images.. hmm |
| 06:35.57 | Torhal | Shirik: Dia? |
| 06:35.58 | bleeter | if you look in the doxygen options, I know it's there ;) |
| 06:35.59 | Shirik | by graphs I mean nodes connected by traces |
| 06:36.06 | bleeter | I know the one you mean... lol |
| 06:36.22 | bleeter | does the API connectivity diagram foo stuff for doxy |
| 06:36.33 | Torhal | http://projects.gnome.org/dia/ |
| 06:36.35 | Shirik | you know I never got doxy to do that for me :P |
| 06:37.12 | Shirik | dot |
| 06:37.14 | Shirik | that's it |
| 06:37.16 | bleeter | Shirik: dot from graphiz ;) |
| 06:37.21 | bleeter | http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/diagrams.html |
| 06:37.22 | bleeter | lol |
| 06:37.28 | Shirik | <3 bleeter |
| 06:37.31 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 06:37.41 | Shirik | now |
| 06:37.43 | bleeter | *graphviz |
| 06:37.48 | Shirik | how is it going to like a 5000 node graph |
| 06:38.21 | bleeter | Shirik: http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/undirected/softmaint.png dunno |
| 06:38.25 | Shirik | that's the real fun question |
| 06:38.40 | Shirik | granted my computer is decently fast |
| 06:38.50 | Shirik | But um, I still have 3 more hours before I even finish getting all the data |
| 06:38.51 | Shirik | so... |
| 06:38.53 | bleeter | check that disagram I linked, I suspect it'll work |
| 06:38.55 | Shirik | have some time to waste |
| 06:39.01 | Shirik | oh I'm sure it'll work |
| 06:39.05 | Shirik | I'm wondering how long it will take |
| 06:39.57 | Shirik | well actually |
| 06:40.01 | Shirik | it'll be 3 hours and -8 minutes |
| 06:40.04 | Shirik | whatever that's supposed to mean |
| 06:44.35 | bleeter | it means... |
| 06:44.37 | bleeter | Soon(TM) |
| 06:45.33 | bleeter | yes I'm a total pain in the arse, but sometimes I am a useful pain in the arse :) |
| 06:45.43 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:48.58 | Wobin | bleeter: what was a big noise about before launch? |
| 06:49.08 | Fisker- | i'll rip out your heart |
| 06:49.25 | bleeter | Wobin: customisable dance moves |
| 06:50.21 | Wobin | like in AoC? =) |
| 06:53.31 | Fisker- | why must ghostcrawler be batshit retarded? |
| 06:53.48 | Fisker- | The fires typically do a lot more damage than Seal of Blood. What is the most you have ever been bled for on a Judgement crit? Maybe 10K? And thatâs a crit. No offense, but your healers probably laugh at the kind of damage you are inflicting on yourself |
| 06:54.49 | Fisker- | "ITT: All classes take 30% damage from their highest damaging spell/ability" |
| 07:05.48 | Tekkub | I never quite understood why pallies would be emo and cut themselves |
| 07:05.54 | Tekkub | game mechanics are weird |
| 07:06.52 | Cairenn | I'm so glad Darwinism is still "alive" and doing well, because some genetics we just plain don't need in our pool - watching the show "1000 Ways to Die" - guy is so insecure about his lack of size, he decides to try to fake everyone out at a club one night |
| 07:06.52 | Cairenn | He goes and gets a 12" sausage, positions it in approximately the right location, and straps it to his thigh with a length of rubber tubing. Then he pulls his jeans up over it so it's "bulging" down the front/inside of his thigh and goes dancing. |
| 07:06.52 | Cairenn | 4 hrs later, the clot from tourniquet-ing his leg reaches his lung and he has a pulmonary embolism |
| 07:07.03 | Tekkub | spamz |
| 07:07.26 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:07.28 | Tekkub | also, lawl |
| 07:07.55 | Fisker- | we're emo of being so underpowered Tekkub ;_; |
| 07:08.27 | Tekkub | I think it's just that you wish you were tanks, so you cut yourselves to get heals |
| 07:08.30 | Cairenn | frikken ties a rubber tube around his upper thigh and leaves it there for four hours ... |
| 07:08.34 | Tekkub | makes you feel important |
| 07:09.17 | Tekkub | okey I need something to do... |
| 07:10.09 | Tekkub | blast they took down my addons |
| 07:10.15 | Tekkub | I wanted to get all pissy on em |
| 07:10.16 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 07:10.17 | Cairenn | good |
| 07:10.23 | Cairenn | or not ... |
| 07:10.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:10.39 | Tekkub | well, maybe I can still turn the community against them |
| 07:10.45 | bleeter | whose? |
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| 07:11.00 | smcn | whatsit? |
| 07:11.00 | bleeter | sounds like something I can try do for you during maint tonight |
| 07:11.03 | Tekkub | Cair, you should point out that they have that private server in their shits to your Blue Man Group |
| 07:11.09 | Tekkub | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=269829#post269829 |
| 07:12.29 | Cairenn | I will :) |
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| 07:12.48 | bleeter | BAH 'I COULD CARE LESS.... BUT I DO CARE' |
| 07:13.01 | bleeter | learn to english pls |
| 07:13.25 | Tekkub | mu? |
| 07:13.44 | bleeter | if you could care less, it means you are currently caring |
| 07:13.55 | Tekkub | and want to care less |
| 07:13.59 | Tekkub | so? |
| 07:14.03 | bleeter | or at least, there is a level of care you ahve at the moment to which you could go below |
| 07:14.13 | bleeter | when in fact, you could not care less |
| 07:14.28 | Tekkub | what if you could though? |
| 07:14.37 | Tekkub | then what would you do? |
| 07:15.13 | bleeter | but you say 'i could care less... but I do care...' that makes 0 sense gramatically |
| 07:15.17 | bleeter | :P |
| 07:15.26 | bleeter | 'i could care but I care' |
| 07:15.30 | bleeter | WHUT? |
| 07:15.39 | Tekkub | you know |
| 07:15.48 | Tekkub | you need to stop thinking so hard about things |
| 07:15.54 | Tekkub | you're gonna hurt yourself |
| 07:16.08 | bleeter | it's one of those enUS grammar things I never noticed til I started playing WoW |
| 07:16.12 | bleeter | must be something in the Water |
| 07:16.44 | zenzio | "could care less" is yet another reason why Americans are shunned |
| 07:17.07 | bleeter | s/shunned/lol'd@/ ;) |
| 07:17.12 | Shirik | cog|away: ping |
| 07:17.14 | zenzio | that too |
| 07:17.38 | Tekkub | we're only shunned by people who think *thier* engrish is the correct one |
| 07:17.39 | cog|away | Shirik: pong |
| 07:17.59 | Tekkub | the smart people know that *all* engrish is wrong by design |
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| 07:19.09 | zenzio | Tekkub: that's why the real world speaks English, not engrish |
| 07:19.14 | bleeter | it's not about correct or incorrect, it's a bout log balance of a statement |
| 07:19.18 | bleeter | *logic |
| 07:19.39 | Tekkub | see now you're trying to apply logic, another huge mistake |
| 07:19.45 | Tekkub | you're seriously gonna hurt yourself |
| 07:19.50 | bleeter | specially when you're involved :P |
| 07:19.51 | zenzio | you're a huge mistake |
| 07:20.24 | bleeter | no u |
| 07:21.19 | Tekkub | DivX3? WTF? Are these people smoking shit? |
| 07:21.35 | Arrowmaster | who? |
| 07:21.41 | Arrowmaster | 3.11? |
| 07:21.57 | Tekkub | this video was made AFTER divx6 |
| 07:22.04 | Tekkub | why would they rip it to 3? |
| 07:22.23 | zenzio | now you're using logic |
| 07:22.25 | Arrowmaster | is it 3.11? |
| 07:22.40 | Tekkub | I dunno I already overwrote the codes so it would load |
| 07:22.48 | bleeter | haha |
| 07:23.14 | Tekkub | "Thank you for your email notification. Your addons are no longer available for download on our website." |
| 07:23.15 | Arrowmaster | if so they probably have the original 3.11 codec installed and used that, maybe not even noticing it was selected |
| 07:23.20 | Tekkub | fuckers are even being polite |
| 07:23.38 | MentalPower | Tekkub: what vid? |
| 07:23.41 | Tekkub | who knows, I got my bear porn now so I'm done bitching |
| 07:23.48 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 07:23.52 | MentalPower | ...... |
| 07:23.54 | bleeter | Tekkub: better ask them for the % of advertising revenue they gained from hosting your stuff, if they're that polite |
| 07:24.01 | Tekkub | "Big Easy Bears" huh huh double meaning! |
| 07:24.09 | MentalPower | strike that last question, I don't want to know |
| 07:24.32 | MentalPower | (too late) |
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| 07:24.46 | Tekkub | (way too late) |
| 07:26.14 | Arrowmaster | im not sure if its a good thing that i know that probably doesnt mean real bears or not |
| 07:26.23 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_community |
| 07:27.09 | smcn | i knew about bears long before i should have |
| 07:27.44 | smcn | or wanted to |
| 07:27.48 | smcn | which would have been never |
| 07:29.00 | Tekkub | "On the September 25, 2007 episode of The Late Show with David Letterman, director Kevin Smith revealed that he will be on the cover of the next issue of A Bear's Life magazine, and gives the audience a quick introduction to Bears in general" |
| 07:29.02 | Tekkub | lawl |
| 07:29.14 | Tekkub | in his last "Evening with" he talked about bears ^^ |
| 07:29.17 | Arrowmaster | (i only know of that link because somebody used it as a joke insult on an old guild forum when our feral druid tank responded to people making fun of his beard in an irl pic thread by saying something along the lines of 'what do you expect from a bear', and no he wasnt meaning that kinda bear) |
| 07:31.58 | smcn | i frequented an emulation chan on efnet way back, we used #bearcave as a sort of rickroll when people asked for roms :P |
| 07:32.10 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:32.23 | Tekkub | bleh, efnet's bearcave blew |
| 07:32.31 | Tekkub | undernet's was a lot better |
| 07:32.38 | Tekkub | that's where I met Trey BTW :P |
| 07:32.40 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 07:32.53 | Arrowmaster | again TMI.......... |
| 07:33.04 | Tekkub | *eyeroll* |
| 07:34.12 | bleeter | I dunno.. call me stupid.. but.. I just.. never quite get any community that fights to not be stereotyped.. then run off and lets themselves be stereotyped. |
| 07:34.19 | bleeter | by themselves |
| 07:34.21 | bleeter | ./shrug |
| 07:34.37 | Tekkub | eh, homo go all queeny it can't be avoided |
| 07:34.57 | Tekkub | I don't think I've met any bears yet that don't do something stereotypical |
| 07:35.04 | Tekkub | which kinda sucks |
| 07:35.04 | Shirik | night night |
| 07:35.09 | bleeter | gnight Shirik |
| 07:35.57 | bleeter | prolly kinda like a friend of my brother's said during the height of the court cases etc. in Tasmania: 'Fags give queers a bad name' |
| 07:37.01 | bleeter | that is, in any community there's a small subsection that play up to the perceived stereotype just for lol and make it more difficult for the rest |
| 07:37.18 | Tekkub | yup |
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| 08:19.11 | Thunder_Child | the roast of lary the cable guy is win |
| 08:24.04 | Thunder_Child | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2009/03/2019-1.png |
| 08:25.21 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5171112/japanese-boob-claw-machine-is-another-bad-way-to-claw-at-boobs |
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| 08:26.58 | Tewan | Mm'kay, I need a tooltip replacement (other than tiptac) which is similar to Thrae's tinytip.. |
| 08:27.03 | Tewan | Anyone know of a good one? :D |
| 08:27.24 | Thunder_Child | whats wrong with tiptac? |
| 08:27.42 | Tewan | New interface and I already got an LUA error |
| 08:27.52 | krka_ | Tewan: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. ^_^ |
| 08:28.03 | Thunder_Child | you mean 3.1? |
| 08:28.06 | Tewan | No |
| 08:28.09 | Tewan | 3.0.8 |
| 08:28.16 | Thunder_Child | we are in 3.0.9 |
| 08:28.25 | Tewan | ._. |
| 08:28.30 | Tewan | then yes, 3.0.9 |
| 08:28.31 | Tewan | :P |
| 08:28.34 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 08:28.43 | Tewan | I haven't played WoW in like, a month... so |
| 08:28.56 | Thunder_Child | do you have auctioneer? |
| 08:28.59 | Tewan | I'll type the error out for you, if you want |
| 08:29.01 | Tewan | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 08:29.09 | Thunder_Child | there is a compat issue.... |
| 08:29.35 | Thunder_Child | "There is a known problem with Informant of the Auctioneer addon, which can cause the tip to not show at the configured anchor. You can disable the health and mana bars as a workaround until a better fix has been found." |
| 08:29.42 | Tewan | Thunder_Child: it's not that |
| 08:29.45 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10627-TipTop.html |
| 08:29.47 | Tewan | but I think the error is easily fixable |
| 08:30.11 | Tewan | "Interface\AddOns\TipTac\core.lua:578: <unnamed>:SetText():Font not set" |
| 08:30.14 | Thunder_Child | you might want to mention it then Tewan, he seems to respond and fix things rather quickly |
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| 08:31.18 | Thunder_Child | there is cowtip |
| 08:32.25 | Tewan | I think I'll stay with TipTac, I think it was only a missing font issue |
| 08:32.53 | Tewan | there was something else I was going to ask though, but I forgot what it was |
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| 08:35.42 | Wobin | hm, hunters are pretty decent now |
| 08:35.50 | Wobin | I'm outdpsing a DK four levels higher |
| 08:40.12 | Elkano | maybe you should just caqll the player to wake him up so he can do more than just autoattack ;) |
| 08:40.57 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i have 2 chars doing the hodir rep grind at the same time |
| 08:41.01 | Thunder_Child | /wrists |
| 08:41.12 | nevcairiel | i rep grinded the AH for those |
| 08:41.26 | nevcairiel | i cba to fight with a million players for the quest mobs/items |
| 08:41.37 | Kalroth | just farm the rep thingies in the area |
| 08:42.45 | Kalroth | it took me less than a week to reach exalted with them |
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| 08:50.22 | Tewan | nevcairiel: cba? |
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| 08:55.39 | Thunder_Child | Tewan, "Can't be arsed (or assed), slang for inaction due to severe laziness" |
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| 08:56.06 | Thrae | Tewan: What problems are you having with TinyTip? |
| 08:56.17 | Tewan | oh, I see |
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| 08:56.34 | Tewan | Thrae: I thought you stopped developing it? I haven't tried it in ages. |
| 08:57.18 | Thrae | Me and another author made sure it works for WotLK. It's very design is to never break unless Blizzard destroys tooltip backwards compatibility. |
| 08:57.42 | Thrae | It only had a few very small bugs. And a lack of an options GUI, but I never really made one for release. |
| 08:58.06 | Tewan | ah |
| 08:58.22 | Tewan | Ah, that's one of the reasons I strayed from it |
| 08:58.25 | Tewan | the options GUI :P |
| 08:59.03 | Thrae | I've made it pretty simple with StandAloneConfig.lua if you download TinyTipBasic, TinyTipPositioning, and TinyTipTargets. Most people just use defaults or disable parts they don't need. |
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| 09:02.16 | Fisker- | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 09:02.19 | Fisker- | The truth is out there |
| 09:02.29 | Thunder_Child | x-files freak |
| 09:02.30 | Fisker- | A goldseller just addressed me in my native language |
| 09:02.32 | Tewan | I tried it sometime in 2.*, but I couldn't get the targets to mouse anchor, and environment objects to anchor elsewhere |
| 09:02.36 | Fisker- | what the fuck |
| 09:02.42 | selckin | ni hao |
| 09:02.46 | Fisker- | no |
| 09:02.48 | Fisker- | danish |
| 09:02.51 | Thunder_Child | not hard Fisker- |
| 09:02.52 | selckin | is your name dkhunterdkdkdk |
| 09:02.54 | selckin | lol i knew it |
| 09:02.54 | Tewan | selckin: lol |
| 09:03.00 | Thunder_Child | most people speak stupid |
| 09:03.44 | Fisker- | nah selckin |
| 09:03.46 | Fisker- | danishdkofdk |
| 09:03.47 | Tewan | oh, another useless question |
| 09:04.07 | bleeter | I just got honored with hodir, seriously cbf the pain for the small extra gain |
| 09:04.16 | selckin | uh |
| 09:04.18 | selckin | learn to click buyout |
| 09:04.22 | Tewan | anyone know a good xp bar replacement? Not expierita(sp?) or xpbarnone |
| 09:04.22 | batbot | Tewan, nothing found. |
| 09:05.05 | bleeter | Mata omae wa chiisa na atama ga aru-koto dakara, naze o-meshi hoshii na no? |
| 09:05.13 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, if it didnt have the best shoulder in the game it wouldnt be touched except by tailors |
| 09:05.25 | Jamash | I use FuBar_FuXPFu |
| 09:05.42 | Thunder_Child | i do the same as Jamash |
| 09:05.54 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, enchant* |
| 09:06.36 | bleeter | yeah I know. I just couldn't justify the effort for extra 2 MP 5 and extra 6 SP |
| 09:06.43 | bleeter | to get to exalted |
| 09:06.49 | bleeter | I was 'fuck that for a bunch of monkies' |
| 09:09.03 | bleeter | honored, is what.. 3 days most (2 for humans) iirc. yeah right I'm gunna get exalted for such minimal stat increase GTFO SONS OF HODIR |
| 09:09.03 | jnwhiteh | Cairenn: what site was tekkub talking about that has my stuff? |
| 09:09.15 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: prolly softpedia |
| 09:09.33 | Cairenn | http://games.softpedia.com/dyn-search.php?search_term=world%20of%20warcraft%20addon&p_page=1&license_filter=0&lastupd_filter=0&sort_field=0&results_per_page=20&pick_only=0 |
| 09:09.47 | bleeter | :) |
| 09:10.01 | jnwhiteh | lulz |
| 09:10.02 | jnwhiteh | World of Warcraft addon - Lightheaded r270 by Jim Whitehead |
| 09:10.26 | jnwhiteh | we'll see if i have time to dmca them later today |
| 09:10.31 | jnwhiteh | anyone emailed them directly first? |
| 09:10.52 | Cairenn | tekkub did |
| 09:11.09 | bleeter | and the pricks were nice in return to him |
| 09:11.11 | Cairenn | told them to take them (his mods) down, which they complied with |
| 09:11.20 | Thunder_Child | or |
| 09:11.21 | Thunder_Child | World of Warcraft addon: Omen Threat Meter 3.0.4 by Xinhuan |
| 09:11.41 | jnwhiteh | but "Jim whitehead" makes no sense |
| 09:11.42 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 09:11.45 | jnwhiteh | I use that NOwhere in wow. |
| 09:11.46 | Thunder_Child | theres one from Maldivia in there... |
| 09:11.53 | jnwhiteh | only on the book |
| 09:11.56 | jnwhiteh | and that's James Whitehead |
| 09:11.59 | jnwhiteh | so its amusing :P |
| 09:12.04 | bleeter | um ... |
| 09:12.07 | bleeter | 20:11 -!- jnwhiteh [n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] |
| 09:12.07 | bleeter | 20:11 -!- ircname : Jim Whitehead |
| 09:12.13 | bleeter | you use Jim Whitehead here :P |
| 09:12.16 | Thunder_Child | another from Xinhuan and Maldivia, as well as one from Esamynn|Away |
| 09:12.36 | Jamash | Well what do you know, they have Learning Aid. I'm kind of flattered |
| 09:12.37 | Xinhuan | what are we talking about? |
| 09:12.41 | Cairenn | yeah, I noticed that they've got some authors listed by real names (whether they put them correctly or not ... ) |
| 09:12.47 | Thunder_Child | softpedia Xinhuan |
| 09:12.51 | Cairenn | but I've no idea where the hell they are getting the info |
| 09:12.51 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 09:12.52 | Thunder_Child | they have your addon there |
| 09:13.05 | Thunder_Child | http://games.softpedia.com/developer/Xinhuan-7642.html |
| 09:13.10 | Xinhuan | well it takes more effort to ask them to take it down |
| 09:13.13 | jnwhiteh | anyone familiar with the auction API want to respond to this for me? |
| 09:13.13 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/238#forums/development/238/676 |
| 09:13.20 | Xinhuan | than to ignore it lol! |
| 09:13.39 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: you prolly want Nechckn_AFK or similar ;) |
| 09:13.43 | Thunder_Child | AnduinLothar is there |
| 09:13.55 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21183 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15660812343&sid=1 |
| 09:13.55 | Cairenn | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=16038 |
| 09:14.06 | Cairenn | are the three threads about Softpedia |
| 09:14.11 | Xinhuan | 3.0.4 is like a 3 month old version |
| 09:14.17 | Xinhuan | doubt anyone still uses it |
| 09:14.28 | Thunder_Child | thats the problem Xinhuan, people dont know better |
| 09:15.00 | Arrowmaster | am i a bad person for knowing about softpedia doing this for a while but not saying anything? although i dont remember if i had looked close enough to realize they were hostng addons by people that i know would object |
| 09:15.14 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 09:15.49 | Cairenn | yes |
| 09:15.51 | bleeter | most legislative environments have it on the books that if you fail to report a crime, you're guilty of a crime |
| 09:16.06 | bleeter | now not saying you're a criminal for not reporting.. but.. it's the principal I think... in general |
| 09:16.30 | Arrowmaster | well i didnt look close enough to remember if i realized it was a crime or not |
| 09:16.51 | Jamash | my addon doesn't have a copyright license included, I should do something about that |
| 09:16.55 | Arrowmaster | i just remember seeing softpedia had some shitty wow addon hosted on its mac section |
| 09:17.12 | Arrowmaster | and i didnt really care since it was a shitty addon |
| 09:17.24 | bleeter | Jamash: well, you have (C) on it. If you wish to remind people, it's prolly wise. |
| 09:17.39 | bleeter | (C) is automatically granted by law at creation time, don't need no notice to say it's (C)'d |
| 09:17.46 | Cairenn | Jamash: no license means it is _fully_ copyright protected by default |
| 09:17.52 | bleeter | ^^^ |
| 09:17.52 | Jamash | oh, I know |
| 09:18.07 | Cairenn | Jamash: you only need a license if you want to give permissions |
| 09:18.35 | Xinhuan | Thunder_Child, the fact that omen listed on softpedia only has 400 downloads, shows that people DO know better ;p |
| 09:19.00 | Thunder_Child | Xinhuan, thats 400 people that were lead astray |
| 09:19.23 | bleeter | or just 400 bots with nothing better to do |
| 09:19.28 | Xinhuan | i suspect those 400 downloads were during when it was really the latest version anyhow |
| 09:19.54 | Jamash | my objection to softpedia is that it's covered in nasty popup flash ads |
| 09:20.37 | Elkano | Xinhuan, I wouldn't say it's because people know better but rather because they don't know about it at all ;) |
| 09:22.56 | Tewan | aww come on, you can't go above 400px width for pitbull bars? |
| 09:23.26 | Arrowmaster | http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Cartographer-wow.shtml |
| 09:23.29 | Arrowmaster | *sigh* |
| 09:23.36 | Arrowmaster | they actually have it listed as gpl |
| 09:23.51 | nevcairiel | I don't think people actually use that page though =P |
| 09:24.21 | Arrowmaster | they will probably claim that since its gpl they are free to host it |
| 09:24.25 | krka_ | GPL / free could be interpretered as gpl or free |
| 09:24.38 | krka_ | no wait, it's license / price |
| 09:24.38 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: yeah form what IO've read (I've not looked) they've got a bunch of things there with incorrect licenses |
| 09:24.38 | krka_ | never mind |
| 09:24.50 | krka_ | softpedia seems like a silly place |
| 09:24.50 | nevcairiel | bleeter: cartographer is GPL |
| 09:24.53 | bleeter | it almost sounds like they're intentionally lying to get $$ |
| 09:25.14 | bleeter | oh, I thought there were a couple others with wrong Licenses, thought I saw that oh well |
| 09:25.43 | nevcairiel | And i think that GPL does allow you to host it |
| 09:26.10 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 09:26.44 | nevcairiel | I doubt anyone is really going there to get addons |
| 09:26.49 | nevcairiel | so i could care less about that page |
| 09:26.58 | bleeter | COULD NOT |
| 09:27.01 | bleeter | arghargarharhgarhgarhg |
| 09:27.02 | Arrowmaster | does the gpl have an entrigity of the original author clause making you have to rename it if the author asks you to? |
| 09:27.14 | Arrowmaster | i know the original open source stuff did |
| 09:27.14 | bleeter | nevcairiel: why do you care about the page? |
| 09:27.19 | bleeter | :P |
| 09:27.37 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: only if you distribute a modified version |
| 09:28.18 | Arrowmaster | so you can say distributing an out of date version without the latest fixes damages the entrigity of the original author? |
| 09:28.21 | Arrowmaster | cant |
| 09:28.45 | nevcairiel | You can't really sue people for being slow on updating |
| 09:28.56 | Arrowmaster | nobody said sue |
| 09:29.01 | Arrowmaster | just threaten to sue |
| 09:29.12 | Jamash | you can *threaten* to sue for anything |
| 09:29.30 | Arrowmaster | the only thing that matters is if they believe you |
| 09:29.35 | nevcairiel | Besides, that might not get you what you want, they could just update it to the latest version and you would still be pissed =P |
| 09:29.59 | Arrowmaster | Anaral: you werent left out of the fun either! http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/QualityID.shtml |
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| 09:30.23 | bleeter | reminder to enUS speakers: if you *could* care less, that means you currently care (pet peeve, apols) |
| 09:30.43 | Arrowmaster | mikma: hehe http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/WinterTime.shtml |
| 09:31.06 | Tewan | I wish the text placement of pitbull could be absolute positioned |
| 09:31.07 | Tewan | :/ |
| 09:31.10 | Arrowmaster | so does anybody else realize how old this is? http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/SellValue.shtml |
| 09:33.39 | nevcairiel | r42 is still the latest version of the project :D |
| 09:33.46 | nevcairiel | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/sell-value/ |
| 09:36.23 | Arrowmaster | i cant believe you found that |
| 09:37.12 | Arrowmaster | now we must get ackis involved in this just to spare anybody that goes to softpedia from the horror of http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Chuck-Norris-Facts-for-WoW.shtml |
| 09:38.20 | nevcairiel | why should they have it any better then curse visitors |
| 09:38.50 | Arrowmaster | hmm true |
| 09:46.04 | Tewan | AHH |
| 09:46.08 | Tewan | Server shutdown in 15:00?! |
| 09:46.16 | Tewan | I'm doing my interface! D: |
| 09:48.17 | Arrowmaster | boo i cant have any fun, i was left out and they didnt post anything of mine |
| 09:50.04 | nevcairiel | you don't have stuff |
| 09:50.10 | Arrowmaster | i do too! |
| 09:50.22 | Arrowmaster | i have 18 projects |
| 09:50.29 | Arrowmaster | or im listed on 18 projects |
| 09:50.55 | Arrowmaster | ckknight is still a lazy bastard and hasnt credited me on a lot of his stuff that ive worked on |
| 09:51.10 | nevcairiel | If i would be listed on every project that i've fixed over time... |
| 09:51.31 | Arrowmaster | i did a lot of work on those projects though |
| 09:52.11 | Arrowmaster | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/train-whistle.aspx |
| 09:52.16 | Arrowmaster | broke 1000 downloads! |
| 09:52.21 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 09:52.28 | smoke_ | what event do i use for when an aura timer ticks? |
| 09:52.39 | Arrowmaster | i still love that screen shot |
| 09:52.42 | nevcairiel | aura timer tics? |
| 09:53.01 | nevcairiel | aura timers do not tick, you get an event when the aura is applied, and one when it goes down |
| 09:53.37 | smoke_ | hmm, i'm trying to add a debuff timer for my oUF, what would the best way to handle returning UnitDebuff()? |
| 09:54.11 | nevcairiel | I've been thinking if it would be viable to do debuff displays using the combatlog |
| 09:55.43 | Jamash | is there a command to reset the camera? mine is doing something bizarre where it faces in a fixed direction and won't follow me |
| 09:55.43 | Tewan | Arrowmaster: "Awesome, now I know who to kick from raids. Thanks Arrowmaster!" |
| 09:55.44 | Tewan | lol |
| 09:58.22 | Arrowmaster | now why the hell do i have an image on wowace now |
| 09:59.40 | Nechckn_AFK | Jamash - reload the UI |
| 09:59.57 | Fisker- | btw |
| 10:00.05 | Fisker- | good news everyone |
| 10:00.06 | Nechckn_AFK | not sure why it happens, but I get that once every couple o' months |
| 10:00.12 | Fisker- | You can store gear in the bank :O |
| 10:00.16 | Jamash | OMG |
| 10:00.21 | Jamash | you can??? |
| 10:00.25 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 10:00.37 | Jamash | I was just throwing mine away when my bags got full |
| 10:00.41 | Fisker- | And in 3.1 you can like totally create a black hole while changing equipments |
| 10:00.49 | Fisker- | So you can get gear from the bank |
| 10:00.54 | Jamash | :-O |
| 10:00.58 | Fisker- | So stash all that shit gear in the bank >:3 |
| 10:02.23 | Jamash | there was once a bug on live where you could turn in quest items that were in the bank |
| 10:02.29 | Jamash | I was so happy |
| 10:02.45 | Arrowmaster | you could also use reagent that were in your bank |
| 10:02.56 | Arrowmaster | including soulshards |
| 10:03.01 | Arrowmaster | that was a happy bug |
| 10:03.01 | Jamash | didn't know about that |
| 10:03.36 | Jamash | in the time it took to reload my ui, the servers went down for maintenance |
| 10:07.26 | Jamash | Are there any addons that display ilvls divided by the quality scaling factor, so you can see the item's "worth"? |
| 10:08.25 | Arrowmaster | not really but i doubt its changed that much since tbc where it was 15 ilvl difference between rare and epic of exact same stats |
| 10:08.49 | Arrowmaster | the kara rep rings showed it easily |
| 10:09.29 | Arrowmaster | since one of them litterally upgraded from rare to epic with zero stat change |
| 10:09.51 | Jamash | that's pretty sad |
| 10:09.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 10:10.02 | Arrowmaster | kinda a wtf thing |
| 10:11.19 | Jamash | anyway I'd like to be able to see scaled ilvls in tooltips so I can make a quick and dirty judgement of what's an upgrade from a level 70 epic to a level 80 green |
| 10:12.15 | Arrowmaster | im gona go watch the first epsiode of Castle now since i just found out about the series when i saw the second epsiode lastnight, and Nathan Fillion is awesome |
| 10:14.47 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: what did you expect... it's Nathan Fillion! |
| 10:14.56 | Arrowmaster | i know! |
| 10:20.22 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: hehe I like the screenshot |
| 10:20.35 | Wobin | (for Trainwhistle) |
| 10:21.04 | Wobin | Perhaps you could have an option for next patch |
| 10:21.13 | Wobin | That automatically deploys the train destroyer =) |
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| 10:35.52 | zenzio | when people have too much time on their hands... do an HTTP HEAD request to www.vg.no and check the X- headers |
| 10:42.06 | Maldivia | zenzio: hehe |
| 10:44.04 | Arrowmaster | fail for still using iso-8859-1 |
| 10:44.32 | zenzio | yeah, that's aicky |
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| 10:48.20 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/86950354 |
| 10:50.46 | Maldivia | hehe |
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| 11:45.39 | Wobin | hehe http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2009/20090317_2186.png |
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| 11:54.49 | Wobin | omg http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2321923.ece <-- Cairenn|afk |
| 11:55.05 | Wobin | poor hedgehog >< |
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| 12:49.39 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr! |
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| 13:02.09 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:02.37 | mikma | gas |
| 13:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 13:13.22 | Lunessa | Today on the WoW "Year of Fear" desk calendar is a dwarf passed out on the floor in the inn of Ironforge, giant beer mug next to him. The quote reads, "I can't feel me legs." |
| 13:13.35 | Lunessa | Happy St. Patrick's Day to you all. |
| 13:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | Love that calendar, Lunessa. |
| 13:15.10 | Lunessa | "I can't feel me legs!" |
| 13:19.14 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/17/funny-pictures-lepraconwuz-delishus/ |
| 13:19.30 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent! |
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| 14:09.11 | Lopeppeppy | You know what, I hate Tuesdays. It's slow at work on Tuesdays, so I could be gettin' all dino on the forums. But nooooooo.... *sigh* |
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| 14:09.48 | alestane | I was just about to ask if anyone else was unable to log into the forums. |
| 14:10.04 | alestane | 1I can read, but apparently not post. |
| 14:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 14:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | Normal for Tuesdays. |
| 14:10.36 | Wimpsy` | Softpedia ¬_¬ |
| 14:10.50 | Lunessa | Yeah, pretty normal for Tuesday morning. Login server is offline. |
| 14:11.04 | Lopeppeppy | Still hates it my precious. *sigh* |
| 14:11.18 | Wimpsy` | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21183 - Don't know why, but it makes me angry. :( |
| 14:11.33 | Lunessa | Same here, I'm having to actually pay attention to this document I'm working on. |
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| 14:12.57 | alestane | I hate seeing people come in when someone has a problem on the forum and post really bad advice that doesn't even address the original problem. |
| 14:13.52 | Lunessa | I didn't do it. |
| 14:14.05 | alestane | Anyone know if C++ will let me set a public const reference to a private non-const data member? |
| 14:15.34 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/tada_hubless_motorcycle_runs_o.php |
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| 14:22.14 | alestane | Looks like it. |
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| 14:29.37 | Wraithan | Anyone know of a site, like the talent calculators but for gear/characters, so I could see the stats of my character and compare gear choices? |
| 14:30.19 | Wraithan | I know Rawr can do this to a point but it tells me I have double the haste and less crit than I really do on my resto shaman |
| 14:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | Be.imba site maybe? |
| 14:31.47 | Lunessa | I don't think such a site exists that let's you compare gear sets. |
| 14:31.49 | Wraithan | http://chardev.org/ looks alright so far, will see soon |
| 14:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | The big one went away a while back, and nothing else has really stepped up. Be.imba will analyze your level 80 character and make suggestions for upgrades and so froth. |
| 14:32.39 | Wraithan | Lopeppeppy: be.imba.hu I would have to edit the xml with item IDs for everything, and I don't believe it will list out your stats, just the problems with a character which is hardly useful for a healer heh |
| 14:34.44 | Wraithan | Yeah, chardev appears to have calculated everything right, slightly off on my crit rating, (Armory and in game says 24.01 chardev says 23.99 |
| 14:36.36 | Lopeppeppy | That's not bad then, see what they teach you. |
| 14:36.58 | Lopeppeppy | And I have found be.imba to be invaluable with my healers, but to each their own. Whatever tool works best for you is the one you should use. |
| 14:37.23 | Wraithan | Oh, I agree be.imba is great for looking where you need improvements or doublechecking your enchants/gems |
| 14:38.21 | Wraithan | I use my resto shaman as a base to test those sites because I know all his stats, right now I am planning out gear for a friend's holy priest so we can maximize heroic running to get her ready for Naxx10/25 |
| 14:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | I like the part down at the bottom of be.imba that tells you where your best upgrades currently are, and where you can be expected to do well in your current gear. |
| 14:41.28 | Wraithan | I agree, can be useful for checking pug gear, or seeing when heroics really aren't going to do you much more good, but because it goes off of average iLevel, you could get a couple of naxx25 pieces on a pug run and it would throw it off |
| 14:42.09 | ckknight | cool, mikma |
| 14:42.58 | Wraithan | *shrug* It is a great tool for what it is, but for healers, in my experience it is just a gem/enchant checker. Now for DPS/Tank it can check hit rating, defense, expertise, the really crucial stuff. |
| 14:43.30 | mikma | ckknight: be sure to buy one with the wow-millions |
| 14:43.44 | ckknight | what millions are these? |
| 14:43.44 | ckknight | :P |
| 14:43.50 | mikma | the invisible ones |
| 14:46.22 | Lunessa | Those one invisible wow-millions not lining your pockets, letting you live the life of a rap star? |
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| 14:47.59 | ckknight | we're hoping to launch the author rewards program on curse "soon". We won't get millions, though |
| 14:48.05 | Lunessa | Invisible millions, invisible minions, and my invisible heart are all going to an invisible party. |
| 14:52.08 | Wraithan | How big is the extra jump on PoM for priests? |
| 14:52.24 | Lunessa | Fire and Forget healing is always WIN. |
| 14:53.25 | Lunessa | Good Lord Cairenn|afk how the hell did you login to post? |
| 14:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | She must still be logged in from before, or have a magic ISP |
| 14:59.40 | Lunessa | Installing .Net is slow. |
| 15:00.20 | [draco] | s/Installing // |
| 15:00.47 | ckknight | hehe |
| 15:00.53 | ckknight | [draco]: .NET's not that slow, really |
| 15:01.01 | ckknight | it's actually pretty fast in most cases |
| 15:01.47 | [draco] | yeah, but it I couldn't resist the temptation of making fun of MS |
| 15:01.49 | [draco] | :D |
| 15:02.00 | ckknight | alright |
| 15:02.00 | Lunessa | I have to upgrade to a new version of SMS on my Virtual XP install, and it's taking forever. And I still have two other installs to do. |
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| 15:12.18 | Wraithan | Anyone else not able to access the US wow forums (haven't tried the EU) |
| 15:12.40 | alestane | I can read them but not log in, as of a few minutes ago. |
| 15:12.41 | Lopeppeppy | It's Tuesday, no one can access the forums, it's perfectly normal. |
| 15:13.01 | Wraithan | Ah, not normally at home to read the forums during patching, so I didn't know heh |
| 15:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | Every Tuesday, pretty much. *gentle shrug* |
| 15:16.56 | Maldivia | Lunessa: virtual xp? |
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| 15:17.46 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Yes, I have to run Virtual PC using XP to run some tools for Exchange which don't run properly under Windows Vista |
| 15:18.17 | alestane | Back Office FTW. |
| 15:18.24 | alestane | </sarcasm> |
| 15:18.39 | mikma | http://apina.sektori.org/full/14013.jpg |
| 15:18.41 | Maldivia | Lunessa: ahh, ok - personally I've always found Virtual PC to be painfully slow, compared to other vm tools |
| 15:18.55 | Lunessa | Actually, if we'd frikikin upgrade to Exchange 2007 instead of insisting on using 2003... |
| 15:19.10 | Lunessa | Maldivia: It is, but it's free. |
| 15:19.11 | mikma | translation something like: hi tuner, good job! here's the stickeryou modified which you can use to tune your minilaptop just the way you want |
| 15:19.15 | Maldivia | Lunessa: VirtualBox |
| 15:19.33 | Wraithan | Lunessa: last job I was at used exchange 2000 still, and that was 2 months ago |
| 15:22.40 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Thanks for that. |
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| 15:25.00 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local this1, this2, this3 = 5, 10, 15; print(max(for i=1,3 do getglobal("this"..i) end)) |
| 15:25.01 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'for' |
| 15:25.45 | Maldivia | Lunessa: if your hardware supports the virtulization extensions, it can utilize those to be even faster |
| 15:26.33 | Lunessa | These two boxes ought to, so we'll see. :) |
| 15:26.36 | Maldivia | Lunessa: and I think it can use virtual pc disk images directly (if not, it can convert to its own format) |
| 15:26.44 | alestane | [L4E]Flowy: This is Lua, not Python. |
| 15:27.18 | Lunessa | If it can use my existing disc images that = love. |
| 15:28.20 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: your friend is back :) |
| 15:28.33 | Maldivia | Lunessa: looking at the "select a hard disk image file" dialog, it mentiones: *.vmdk, *.vdi, *.vhd |
| 15:28.52 | Lunessa | That would save me many hours of patching and installing. |
| 15:28.53 | Maldivia | Lunessa: afaik, VirtualPC uses .vhd files |
| 15:29.03 | Lunessa | It does. |
| 15:29.22 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I see this |
| 15:30.20 | Lunessa | Oddly enough, I don't. /ignore persists between sessions. |
| 15:31.17 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:31.20 | jnwhiteh | if i ignore him |
| 15:31.22 | jnwhiteh | other people have to deal with him |
| 15:31.46 | Maldivia | Lunessa: well, I would probably make a backup of the image before trying though :) |
| 15:32.25 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I do, I make the master image that any of our Virtual PC users use. So I keep regular back ups. |
| 15:32.41 | Maldivia | hehe, ok |
| 15:32.58 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: This is also true. There are days I really relish being just a community member, and not a manager. :P |
| 15:33.04 | Maldivia | if it doesn't work directly, I know vboxmanage can be used to convert it to vbox' native format |
| 15:33.51 | Lunessa | The only hard part will be convincing the network guys that I should be allowed yet more IP addresses while testing. |
| 15:34.26 | mikma | so .. addon that announces heroism cooldown.. |
| 15:34.33 | mikma | what string it should trigger? |
| 15:34.46 | mikma | hero = not good, "heroic" |
| 15:34.57 | Wraithan | bloodlust <.< |
| 15:34.58 | Lunessa | application of the buff Exhaustion is a good check. |
| 15:35.14 | mikma | no i mean that people always ask about the cd of heroism in partychat |
| 15:35.27 | mikma | i did a codesnippet that'll autoanswer the cd |
| 15:35.37 | mikma | but now i dont know what text it should reply :I |
| 15:35.58 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.00 | durcyn | the customary format is M:SS |
| 15:36.17 | Lunessa | ^^ mal types faster |
| 15:36.30 | mikma | maldivia: this is much more nicer than that |
| 15:36.59 | foxlit | GSC would return you something silly like start time |
| 15:37.02 | mikma | don't think people wanna see "Cooldown: 8987.854" |
| 15:37.38 | mikma | local foo1,foo2 = GetSpellCooldown("Heroism"); local h,m,s = ConvertSeconds((foo1+foo2)-GetTime()); SendChatMessage("Heroism Cooldown: "..m.."m "..s.."s","PARTY") |
| 15:37.55 | mikma | but the string to match is the problem |
| 15:37.58 | foxlit | ConvertSeconds? |
| 15:38.07 | mikma | people ask heroism/bloodlust in so different ways |
| 15:38.13 | mikma | foxlit: seconds to minutes -> seconds |
| 15:38.26 | foxlit | your code? |
| 15:38.29 | mikma | yep |
| 15:38.45 | mikma | well, copypaste from Blizzard_TimeManager :) |
| 15:38.48 | mikma | it's nice. |
| 15:39.10 | foxlit | :format and % /, imo |
| 15:39.18 | mikma | arg1:lower():match("herois") |
| 15:39.23 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> local this1, this2, this3, this = 5, 10, 15; for i=1,3 do this = getglobal("this"..i); end print(max(this)) |
| 15:39.23 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'getglobal' (a nil value) |
| 15:39.35 | mikma | that requires them to type alot and they most likely only ask "is hero rdy?" |
| 15:39.38 | Wraithan | I need to get/make something that tells me when Sated is gone from the raid, a couple times it would have been useful when I died in the first 5 mins of the fight (which usually indicates folks being sloppy which means the extra BL would be very useful) but with 3.1 making the sated cooldown 10 mins, not really worth it |
| 15:40.11 | mikma | oh look, the privateserver-coder is back again |
| 15:40.14 | Wraithan | Macro: Say Heroism in group chat to get an update on my heroism cooldown. |
| 15:40.14 | jnwhiteh | [L4E]Flowy: don't use the bot in this channel, use private messages. |
| 15:40.22 | jnwhiteh | or join #luabot and spam all you want |
| 15:40.35 | [L4E]Flowy | sir yes sir |
| 15:40.44 | Wraithan | Then just check on heroism being said in party/raid |
| 15:40.58 | mikma | wraithan: .. |
| 15:41.21 | Wraithan | Make people play on your terms, not the other way around |
| 15:41.22 | mikma | i'm just writing one for myself ^^ |
| 15:41.45 | mikma | tho it will not check debuff |
| 15:41.51 | mikma | just tells people is my heroism ready |
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| 15:42.19 | mikma | maybe i should just go with "heroism?" |
| 15:44.04 | mikma | or just delete the code i have haha |
| 15:44.26 | Lunessa | I play on a US server, but the raid leader for my Naxx-25 group is Brazilian and speaks with a heavy Portuguese accent - I love hearing him ask, "Unkle, is heee-ro-ism up, buddy?" |
| 15:45.09 | foxlit | mikma: you could just match hero and then check that heroic doesn't match |
| 15:45.22 | foxlit | of course, you then run into trouble with "heroes" |
| 15:45.39 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: sounds eerily like my first guild, which was Romanian-heavy |
| 15:46.01 | mikma | foxlit: hence my problem :) |
| 15:46.03 | foxlit | You can either make it an unambiguous trigger think "!hero" -- that'd have the drawbacks that nobody knows whether you support it until you respodn |
| 15:46.20 | foxlit | Or you can make it require interaction from you to confirm that you want to reply. |
| 15:46.42 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I'm amused by the fact that we have a guild with something like 15+ Brazilians in it. On a US Central Time zone server. |
| 15:46.56 | foxlit | So you could convert any incoming "hero" message into a chat link that'd you'd then click. |
| 15:47.02 | Gnarfoz | mikma: make it a universal "ask for party cooldowns" auto reply mod and take over the world |
| 15:47.11 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: what's odd about it? Brazil is closer to your time than to EU time |
| 15:48.11 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: But US English + Portuguese seems an odd combo, and ping/latency is terrible for them. |
| 15:48.20 | Gnarfoz | there is no alternative |
| 15:48.22 | Gnarfoz | or rather, was |
| 15:48.34 | mikma | gnarfoz: muhahahahahahaaaaa |
| 15:48.41 | mikma | anyway |
| 15:48.49 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: not necessarily. I used to play on a US server, and while the latency was worse than to an EU one, it wasn't unbearable |
| 15:48.50 | mikma | here's the terrible sex-accident again! |
| 15:48.52 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/freaky_deaky_diy_bedroom_toy_g.php |
| 15:49.28 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Yeah, they do ok most nights. Hell, they don't die during Safety Dance and I do. |
| 15:49.40 | Gnarfoz | mikma: imagine when people instinctively try !cooldowns and nothing replies and they get all bitchy "why don't you have mikma's cooldown mod of awesomeness? you're so behind again..." xD |
| 15:49.55 | Wraithan | Getting Safty Dance done is getting so frustrating |
| 15:50.00 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: though now that I think about it, I don't recall if the US has Spanish-language (or other) non-English servers now |
| 15:50.07 | Wraithan | Always have at least one person with a crappy connection |
| 15:50.07 | mikma | gnarfoz: but what about if you like to be the one behind... *wink* |
| 15:50.23 | Gnarfoz | I'm not the gay married couple from my guild :P |
| 15:50.28 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: there's a client for it. |
| 16:01.28 | mikma | http://gizmodo.com/5070884/exclusive-the-lego-minifig-timeline |
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| 16:20.40 | Lunessa | Who needs Digg. We have mikma and his results are often far more relevant to my interests. |
| 16:21.37 | jnwhiteh | truth |
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| 16:26.31 | mikma | is that a good thing or a bad thing |
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| 16:28.37 | [L4E]Flowy | string.match("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", ) how can look patern for "Broken" if its first word after [ ? |
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| 16:29.05 | mikma | like: :match("Don't play in private servers") |
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| 16:29.29 | [L4E]Flowy | lua> string.match("|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r", "Don't play in private servers") |
| 16:29.29 | lua_bot | [L4E]Flowy: nil |
| 16:29.36 | durcyn | ... |
| 16:29.50 | [L4E]Flowy | i want wow not wotlk |
| 16:30.01 | Lunessa | mikma: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/01/11/this-is-relevant-to-my-interests-2/ |
| 16:30.02 | jnwhiteh | I've warned you |
| 16:30.06 | jnwhiteh | Goodbye. |
| 16:30.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@91.148.9.206] by jnwhiteh |
| 16:30.12 | *** kick/#wowuidev [[L4E]Flowy!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by jnwhiteh (jnwhiteh) |
| 16:30.32 | mikma | heh what a face |
| 16:30.39 | mikma | -_- |
| 16:30.48 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 16:31.23 | mikma | jnwhiteh: did you get a message-spam |
| 16:31.29 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 16:31.55 | ckknight | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:31.59 | jnwhiteh | sup |
| 16:32.00 | zenzelezz | Flowy is perplexing. He does seem to try to learn, just not succeed much |
| 16:32.07 | ckknight | been thinking about setting up a private WoW server |
| 16:32.09 | ckknight | <.< |
| 16:32.10 | ckknight | >.> |
| 16:32.11 | ckknight | :P |
| 16:32.13 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:32.19 | mikma | omg omg |
| 16:32.35 | ckknight | ? |
| 16:32.57 | mikma | jnwhiteh: warn him!! |
| 16:33.05 | jnwhiteh | why |
| 16:33.08 | jnwhiteh | i want him to let me play too! |
| 16:34.25 | jnwhiteh | yay for legendaries! |
| 16:34.50 | Lunessa | And level 500! |
| 16:34.52 | ckknight | because when everyone can easily get one, they're still awesome, right? |
| 16:35.15 | Lunessa | Fight too hard? Issue a .kill from the console! |
| 16:36.25 | ckknight | .killtarget |
| 16:36.27 | ckknight | amirite? |
| 16:36.48 | ckknight | I don't get the appeal of private servers |
| 16:37.23 | Anaral | Arrowmaster: Wow, cool about Softpedia thing, though what is Word of Warcraft. ;) |
| 16:37.56 | ckknight | MMO word processing. |
| 16:38.39 | Lunessa | private servers are to MMOs what stick-figure porn is to sex. |
| 16:39.28 | ckknight | Lunessa: 8========D |
| 16:39.33 | ckknight | hawt. |
| 16:40.15 | Adys | Anyone running ff3.1? |
| 16:40.17 | Adys | b3 |
| 16:40.40 | Lunessa | ckknight: No! Wrong plumbing for me. |
| 16:41.11 | ckknight | Lunessa: um.... V? |
| 16:41.17 | ckknight | close enough. |
| 16:41.18 | ckknight | I'm done |
| 16:41.26 | Lunessa | Good. |
| 16:42.51 | alestane | Customer: âNO! Not red! Letâs do pinkâ¦red means love, and I donât want love. I just want to get laid!â |
| 16:43.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:43.54 | nevcairiel | Adys: yes |
| 16:43.54 | Anaral | Okay, now that I've actually read the backlog... Arrowmaster not so cool on the Softpedia thing. Hmm. Also it's not even the latest version. How does one add files to softpedia anyways? |
| 16:43.54 | Adys | nevcairiel: which OS? |
| 16:43.54 | nevcairiel | vista |
| 16:43.54 | Adys | nevcairiel: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Samoa&limit=500&action=history |
| 16:43.54 | Adys | click this link |
| 16:43.54 | Adys | make sure a couple of other tabs are open |
| 16:43.57 | Adys | a youtube tab if poss |
| 16:44.01 | Adys | or something with flash |
| 16:44.39 | nevcairiel | what now? |
| 16:44.46 | Adys | then go back to this tab, grab the scrollbar with the mouse, and very fast scroll to the bottom |
| 16:44.50 | Adys | does it crash? |
| 16:46.01 | nevcairiel | it freezes for a short time when i jump up/down alot using the scrollbar |
| 16:46.05 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt crash |
| 16:46.17 | Adys | hm |
| 16:46.27 | Adys | how much ram you got? |
| 16:46.52 | nevcairiel | 4gb, firefox is using 150mb right now |
| 16:47.12 | Adys | ok thanks |
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| 16:53.49 | alestane | Yes, now I can't even browse the forums. |
| 16:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Hoppy Tuesday! |
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| 16:56.47 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: you must have just restarted it! |
| 16:56.59 | NeoTron | I wish there was a firefox with chrome-like separation of tabgs |
| 16:57.21 | nevcairiel | firefox 3.5 at least is supposed to have the tab-navigation of chrome, or so i heard |
| 16:57.25 | NeoTron | I don't really like chrome that much (mainly lack adblock I admit) |
| 16:57.44 | Kirov | NeoTron - I use chrome at home + a local proxy to block ads |
| 16:57.47 | NeoTron | the main thing I don't like is tab X doing something stupid and locking the whole thing up |
| 16:58.00 | Kirov | granted, not quite as nice as adblock's removal of ads |
| 16:58.11 | NeoTron | Kirov: I tried that (privoxy) but it bugged me since I still got "open areas" whereas adblock removes the actual segments |
| 16:58.17 | Kirov | Yep |
| 16:58.50 | Kirov | The next public release of chrome is supposed to have that (or, more to the point, have support for addons). |
| 16:59.06 | Kirov | So far that hasn't shown up on the Chromium betas though |
| 16:59.26 | durcyn | squid + adzapper > adblock |
| 16:59.39 | durcyn | especially in transparent mode with iptables |
| 17:00.43 | MentalPower | anyone know if there's a freenode channel for the iphone3 thing that's going on today? |
| 17:01.01 | kagaro|iphone3_l | there is on running on irc.arstechnicia |
| 17:01.18 | durcyn | maybe #tuaw |
| 17:01.19 | kagaro|iphone3_l | im wathcing the ars live blog |
| 17:02.17 | MentalPower | ars is offline for me |
| 17:02.21 | Jamash | iphone 3? I haven't finished not buying the iphone 2! |
| 17:02.49 | kagaro|iphone3_l | Jamash: Os version |
| 17:02.50 | MentalPower | iphone 3.0 software |
| 17:03.00 | MentalPower | not necessarily new iphone |
| 17:03.03 | Jamash | ah |
| 17:03.55 | kagaro|iphone3_l | so far just talking about sales volumes |
| 17:04.14 | kagaro|iphone3_l | and number of devlopers (> 50k) |
| 17:04.48 | kagaro|iphone3_l | 800k downloads of the sdk |
| 17:04.51 | Jamash | blizzard should remake warcraft I for the iphone |
| 17:05.01 | Vangual | number of quality apps < 100 :( |
| 17:05.22 | kagaro|iphone3_l | ^^ |
| 17:05.36 | kagaro|iphone3_l | way too many bs apps for sure |
| 17:07.35 | Jamash | http://appleinsider.cachefly.net/ |
| 17:10.05 | Jamash | the average user downloads 27 apps? that's a lot |
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| 17:10.24 | Jamash | I suppose most of the downloads are free apps |
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| 17:13.39 | MentalPower | irc://irc.arstechnica.com/appleevent |
| 17:13.53 | MentalPower | for those that can't get to the ars website |
| 17:14.00 | Vangual | "1000 new APIs", bets on RenderExampleFartApplication() being one of them? |
| 17:15.28 | MentalPower | lol |
| 17:16.16 | Jamash | selling content within apps is interesting |
| 17:18.35 | Vangual | what, peer-to-peer over bluetooth? |
| 17:18.44 | MentalPower | aye |
| 17:19.03 | MentalPower | N-player games are the most obvious use scenario |
| 17:19.11 | Vangual | i thought their bluetooth chip was restricted by hardware to headset profile? |
| 17:19.29 | MentalPower | no, its restricted by software |
| 17:19.36 | Vangual | oooh |
| 17:19.41 | MentalPower | I don't think apple would shoot themselves in the foot that way |
| 17:20.06 | MentalPower | I think its restricted in the baseband, but I'm not sure |
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| 17:24.13 | Jamash | okay, a blood pressure cuff attached to an iphone is just plain amusing |
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| 17:26.23 | kagaro|iphone3_l | push notifications |
| 17:26.24 | kagaro|iphone3_l | yay! |
| 17:30.45 | Seerah | kagaro|iphone3_l: you might want to go over your reflux description ;) |
| 17:31.02 | Jamash | now where's my iphone app to tell me when my auctions have sold |
| 17:31.04 | kagaro|iphone3_l | did i typo something |
| 17:31.14 | Seerah | several ;) |
| 17:31.45 | Wraithan | Jamash: I would hate an app like that |
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| 17:32.11 | Wraithan | Though I have 300-400 auctions in the auction house at any given time |
| 17:32.22 | Jamash | Wraithan: You'd end up just staring at the screen all day? |
| 17:33.15 | kagaro|iphone3_l | fixed |
| 17:33.20 | Wraithan | If you could set it so it would alert you when 30 or 50 auctions have sold that would be cool, but it going off every 10 mins would drive me nuts |
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| 17:35.16 | Jamash | I really do wish blizzard would offer some external apis for monitoring auctions, talking in guildchat, checking mail, etc. |
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| 17:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | You said that and I got this awesome image of a large chinese control center, manipulating gold like "internet investment" people do stocks |
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| 17:43.33 | Jamash | hee |
| 17:45.08 | Hirsute | It'd be unlikely for them allow you to monitor auctions out of game, they don't give a full set of tools for doing that *in-game* |
| 17:45.24 | Jamash | True enough |
| 17:45.32 | Jamash | still, I can dream |
| 17:45.37 | Hirsute | That you can. |
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| 17:48.53 | Dewin | Hmm... engineers can make portable mailboxes, I can imagine a portable auctioneer being in a future expansion |
| 17:49.09 | Jamash | that would be pretty awesome |
| 17:50.18 | Dewin | I've decided the best use for MOLL-E is for your raid to pick up their warbear mounts right after you finished For the Alliance/For the Horde and mount up in the room of the city leader you just killed. |
| 17:50.49 | Jamash | that's cruel and unusual, I like it |
| 17:50.55 | Vangual | Maddie will be in trouble when she talked too much on the phone and emptied her batteries... |
| 17:51.24 | NeoTron | the cooldown on that mailbox is bizarre |
| 17:51.29 | NeoTron | I don't understand why it's so long |
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| 17:51.55 | Jamash | maintenance extended? noooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:52.20 | Lunessa | I do so love writing manuals. |
| 17:55.04 | foxlit | Lunessa: I do so love not reading them :) |
| 17:55.24 | Lunessa | Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot my <sarcasm> tag. |
| 17:55.42 | foxlit | I'm sure it was implied by "do so love" |
| 17:55.58 | foxlit | as opposed to something less contrived like "love" :) |
| 17:56.09 | Dewin | You could always use the sarcasm punctuation mark~ |
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| 17:56.26 | foxlit | So that's what tilde is for? |
| 17:56.39 | Dewin | I picked it up from someone's sig on slashdot. |
| 17:56.39 | Lunessa | Dewin, then my manual wouldn't be ISO-9000 compliant. |
| 17:57.20 | foxlit | "In Japanese, the wave dash is also used to separate a title and a subtitle in the same line, as a colon is used in English." |
| 17:57.39 | Dewin | Hmm, interesting. |
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| 18:04.46 | mikma | foxlit: no~one ? |
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| 18:07.16 | Dewin | I'm thinking along the lines of The Gamers~Dorkness Rising |
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| 18:13.16 | Shirik | rawr |
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| 18:13.21 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 18:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | This channel scares me at times |
| 18:14.08 | Gryphen | esceares me too |
| 18:17.31 | Gnarfoz | krka and Gryphen should marry |
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| 18:22.07 | NightHawkTheSane | they could have cute little automated children? |
| 18:22.33 | durcyn | bot sex happens, NHTS |
| 18:23.32 | Shirik | Shiibot is too shy to go out with any other bots |
| 18:23.38 | Shirik | he doesn't say much |
| 18:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | thankfully. |
| 18:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | when he does, he usually borks the channel. ;) |
| 18:24.16 | Shirik | I turned it off because it was causing more trouble than it was good |
| 18:27.24 | Lunessa | Shiibot - living in Shirik's basement since 2009. |
| 18:28.01 | Lunessa | I bet shiibot runs on pizza rolls and flat cola from 2 liter bottles. |
| 18:28.25 | Shirik | only decaffinated |
| 18:31.55 | Kirov | http://www.virtualvender.coca-cola.com/images/html/htmgHtml144.jpg |
| 18:33.55 | Lunessa | Kirov: When you go that far, what's the point? |
| 18:34.16 | mikma | that must taste like vomit |
| 18:34.19 | Kirov | No idea |
| 18:35.00 | Lunessa | I mean, I'm drinking cola for three reasons; Caffeine, Sugar, Flavor. |
| 18:35.05 | Kirov | Personally I used to drink non-diet caffine free coke |
| 18:35.25 | durcyn | Lunessa: High Fructose Corn Syrup, you mean |
| 18:35.28 | Kirov | But that's because my mom was against caffine (that wasn't the black coffee she drank every morning) |
| 18:35.43 | Lunessa | durcyn: Yeah, for now. But in April I can get Pepsi with sugar! WOO! |
| 18:36.04 | mikma | oh man |
| 18:36.12 | mikma | Cherry flavored Pepsi was the greatest |
| 18:36.20 | mikma | well, after Cherry Coke ;) |
| 18:37.30 | Kirov | Cherry Coke was like drinking more concentrated grenadine and a little coke. |
| 18:37.39 | Kirov | which was awesome |
| 18:38.22 | Shirik | oh realms are still down huh |
| 18:38.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well, in all honesty, if caffeine free diet coke tasted -exactly- like regular coke, i might drink it. :P |
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| 18:39.26 | Shirik | caffeine free diet coke. What exactly is that supposed to taste like? You just removed everything from it |
| 18:39.52 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I might too, but really... I'm addicted. |
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| 18:45.55 | Kirov | red color 7 |
| 18:47.08 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://photodoto.com/lion-drome/ |
| 18:50.01 | Lunessa | Night - I would totally ride a motorcycle with a lion in the sidecar. TOTALLY. |
| 18:50.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i know, right? |
| 18:51.34 | Lunessa | That would be awesome. No one would ever try to steal your ride. And plus, it's a LION. |
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| 19:12.39 | Thunder_Child | weee, PHB2 |
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| 19:15.09 | Rujind | hi |
| 19:16.07 | Rujind | is anyone an enhancement shaman? |
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| 19:20.30 | mikma | rujind: not sure, but industrial might play one |
| 19:20.35 | Adys | Am I wrong thinking cthun's maximum damage from eye beam would be 3375*2**40 ? |
| 19:20.37 | Industrial | ? |
| 19:20.52 | mikma | <2116> <Rujind> is anyone an enhancement shaman? |
| 19:21.09 | mikma | adys: step in from the door and ZAP |
| 19:21.14 | mikma | raid-killer :D |
| 19:21.31 | Adys | sorry mikma, I forgot to bring my 39 other players from the bank |
| 19:21.47 | Industrial | hi ye in enh |
| 19:21.50 | Industrial | I'm* |
| 19:21.52 | Industrial | sup :D |
| 19:22.22 | Thunder_Child | how do you create a pdf url that is downloadable only? |
| 19:22.41 | Dewin | *** glibc detected *** php: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0a62d710 *** That's not good. |
| 19:22.53 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: Content-disposition |
| 19:23.06 | Thunder_Child | Dewin...meh? |
| 19:23.23 | Adys | [21:22:41] <Dewin> *** glibc detected *** php: That's not good. |
| 19:23.32 | Industrial | Rujind: ? |
| 19:23.36 | Dewin | Oh weird, it cut off the message |
| 19:23.46 | Thunder_Child | ...no it didint |
| 19:23.50 | Dewin | I just had PHP basically segfault and dump stack all over my screen. |
| 19:23.52 | Rujind | sorry |
| 19:23.53 | Rujind | im back |
| 19:23.54 | Thunder_Child | it's Adys being an idiot |
| 19:23.57 | Adys | Dewin: must be a special feature of irc servers |
| 19:24.08 | Adys | builtin AI detecting shitty languages :P |
| 19:24.13 | Rujind | can we talk in IMs industrial? |
| 19:24.18 | Industrial | sure |
| 19:24.21 | Thunder_Child | yes, Adys being an idiot is a special feature of irc servers |
| 19:24.32 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: Have whatever's serving your PDF files send an HTTP header Content-disposition: attachment; filename=whatever.pdf |
| 19:24.44 | Dewin | you can skip the filename= part if you'd like. |
| 19:24.57 | Dewin | That'll instruct the browser to prefer downloading it over displaying it inline. |
| 19:25.20 | Adys | Thunder_Child: hush and check if my calc is correct |
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| 19:25.49 | Thunder_Child | Adys, what calc? |
| 19:25.54 | Adys | [21:20:35] <Adys> Am I wrong thinking cthun's maximum damage from eye beam would be 3375*2**40 ? |
| 19:26.14 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, all it is, is something like www.foo.com/bar/foo.pdf |
| 19:26.32 | Thunder_Child | is the ** supposed to be ^> |
| 19:26.39 | Thunder_Child | s/>/?/ |
| 19:27.16 | Adys | its a power, so yes depending on what you use :P |
| 19:27.37 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: You have access to the dir the PDF is stored in on the webserver? |
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| 19:28.04 | Shirik | So like |
| 19:28.10 | Dewin | And, to ensure I'm interpreting what you want to do correctly, you want the browser to prompt the user to download the file rather than displaying it in the browser, is that correct? |
| 19:28.10 | Shirik | why does "g" stand for "debug" anyway? |
| 19:28.10 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, yes |
| 19:28.19 | Adys | Shirik: ? |
| 19:28.27 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, i would rather not have them have the option at all |
| 19:28.34 | Shirik | example, gcc -g |
| 19:28.53 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: What the user does with their client is not something you'll ever have 100% control over. |
| 19:28.54 | Rujind | i'm trying to figure out how to make an icon on my hotbar change to a different icon when that ability is available as instant cast. possible? |
| 19:29.33 | Dewin | But using Content-disposition should effectively stop it (I've never seen an option to view it inline when I've used it) |
| 19:29.46 | Dewin | what's the webserver? Apache? |
| 19:30.41 | Thunder_Child | not sure tbh, dont worry, i'll be lazy and simply make it a zip |
| 19:31.26 | Thunder_Child | thanks anyway |
| 19:31.53 | Dewin | <FilesMatch "\.pdf">Header onsuccess set Content-disposition "attachment"</FilesMatch> |
| 19:32.04 | Dewin | add that to an .htaccess file in the same dir as the PDF and it should work. |
| 19:34.31 | Dewin | (personally, I hate having to open a zip just to get at a single file) |
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| 19:36.49 | Paradigm | I'm looking to find/make a UI that will move those "ctrl-v" nameplates off to the side of the screen. Ideally, I'd like to have all raid members on the left, and all aggressive monsters on the right |
| 19:37.05 | Paradigm | even those that nobody is actively targetting |
| 19:37.57 | Paradigm | anyone have any ideas of where to start? |
| 19:38.04 | Thunder_Child | i'm not sure you can, the nameplates are part of the 3d world |
| 19:38.08 | Dewin | I'm not sure you can really move the nameplates |
| 19:38.54 | Thunder_Child | you could always create the frames you want upon mouseover of the nameplates....but that wouldnt get rid of them not go away |
| 19:39.14 | Thunder_Child | rid of the nameplates or go away after the mob is killed* |
| 19:39.43 | Paradigm | I've seen stuff like aloft change them, is modifying something different than moving it? |
| 19:39.51 | KarlThePagan1 | yes |
| 19:40.20 | KarlThePagan1 | setting the bounds is one thing, but moving a frame during combat is a protected function |
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| 19:40.33 | KarlThePagan1 | actually I'm not sure how aloft can set bounds during combat |
| 19:40.53 | KarlThePagan1 | probably because nameplate frames get cached? |
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| 19:41.48 | Paradigm | So about the best I could do is configure pitbull to at least give me everyone's targets at one side of the screen |
| 19:42.17 | Thunder_Child | yes, i think it has party target's |
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| 19:43.03 | Paradigm | any other good addons to deal with aoe trash that nobody is targetting that might run away? |
| 19:44.20 | KarlThePagan1 | a few addons like vanaskos and carbonite make clickable targets from combat logs and mouseovers |
| 19:44.55 | Shirik | servers starting to come up btw |
| 19:44.57 | durcyn | Paradigm: look at something like MagicTargets, that might be closer to what you're looking for |
| 19:46.12 | durcyn | if you just want who's-targetting-what |
| 19:47.06 | Paradigm | Yeah, it's close. but doesn't give me the 'i can click on it' feature. guess it's not possible |
| 19:55.09 | Cairenn|afk | wobin: awww, poor hedgehog |
| 19:55.27 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: that was yesterday that I posted, although I can log in fine now as well |
| 19:55.58 | Lunessa | Cairenn|afk: I was just gripping 'cause I couldn't login this morning. |
| 19:56.03 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 19:56.44 | Lunessa | Paradigm: You can have dynamically updating, or you can have targeting. You can't have both. |
| 19:57.07 | Paradigm | Yeah, I read a thread on a messageboard that explains to me that it's impossible. oh well |
| 19:58.20 | Paradigm | Once you have a UnitID, can you target via unitid? |
| 19:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 19:58.32 | ScytheBlade1 | rule of thumb for unitIDs |
| 19:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You can read them, nothing else |
| 19:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Err whoops |
| 19:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry |
| 19:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, you can target via UnitID. |
| 19:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | (I was thinking GUID) |
| 19:59.22 | Paradigm | So say that 10 seconds ago, someone clicked on something, you got that unitid, it's no longer their focus. can you still target via a unitid that is "10 seconds old" |
| 19:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | unitIDs are used for targeting, casting, buff/health/mana enumeration and other stuff |
| 19:59.56 | Paradigm | i don't know how any of these nuts and bolts work |
| 19:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, unitIDs refer to whatever that is this very microsecond |
| 20:00.04 | Paradigm | ah |
| 20:00.07 | Lunessa | unitIds are very specific though. They are not "that mob over there is unitid x" |
| 20:00.17 | Lunessa | ~unitid |
| 20:00.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (Also, you can't query other people's mouseover or focus) |
| 20:00.30 | Lunessa | fail me. |
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| 20:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | the common ones are player, focus, mouseover, party[1-4], and raid[1-40] |
| 20:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, and I suppose pet would be common too. |
| 20:01.19 | Lunessa | http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId |
| 20:01.22 | NightHawkTheSane | and target |
| 20:01.57 | Cairenn | hey Arrowmaster? |
| 20:02.07 | Paradigm | So I could target via player2target |
| 20:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 20:02.20 | durcyn | party2target, playerX isn't a valid token |
| 20:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:02.49 | Lunessa | the link I post has all the valid tokens. |
| 20:03.13 | durcyn | and be prepared for oddities when some jackass names their pet 'pet' or 'maintank' |
| 20:03.44 | Rujind | anyone think it's possible to have an icon on your hotbar change to a different icon when the ability becomes an instant cast ability? |
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| 20:10.44 | Rujind | no? 8( |
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| 20:11.22 | Tekkub | the code to do it wouldn't be very pretty, so not worth it |
| 20:11.37 | Tekkub | use MSBT for popups |
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| 20:12.13 | durcyn | Tekkub: if i had a patch to make cork stop casting on mousewheel while dead, where would you want it |
| 20:12.22 | Tekkub | github |
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| 20:17.08 | Rujind | thanks for the reply tek |
| 20:17.20 | Rujind | im not too fond of that mod though |
| 20:17.26 | Rujind | ah well |
| 20:17.54 | Tekkub | there's other addons that can give you notifications when something is available |
| 20:17.57 | durcyn | Rujind: there are other addons with ability notifications, like PowerAuras. i personally use an elkbuffbars group with a filter for useful procs that i keep in a visible area. YMMV. |
| 20:18.05 | Rujind | hehe |
| 20:18.17 | Rujind | i'm embarassed to say this but i have 2 mods that tell me when the ability is ready |
| 20:18.22 | Rujind | maelstrom maestro and power auras |
| 20:18.31 | Rujind | and apparently i have some kind of attention problem and dont notice it |
| 20:18.39 | Tekkub | sounds |
| 20:18.46 | Rujind | maelstrom weapon is a sound |
| 20:18.49 | Rujind | 8( |
| 20:18.52 | Tekkub | better sounds |
| 20:18.55 | Rujind | hehe |
| 20:18.56 | Tekkub | more annoying sounds |
| 20:18.58 | mikma | flashy stuff |
| 20:19.08 | mikma | combined with annoying sounds |
| 20:19.12 | Rujind | ahahhaa |
| 20:22.43 | Tekkub | WTB laser mouse that is immune to cat hair PST |
| 20:23.24 | Dewin | Tekkub: Clearly you just need to add more power to the laser. |
| 20:23.30 | Lunessa | Rujind: Check out TellmeWhen or ThatJustHappened to simply things. |
| 20:24.52 | Esamynn | kmcguire: you got SD's in TWs, how'd that happen? |
| 20:25.10 | Esamynn | s/SD's/SD'd/ |
| 20:25.34 | foxlit | " Even boss fights recorded would be nice for future reference for some of my buddies, but not if 10mins of fighting will be almost 10gb of data." |
| 20:25.38 | foxlit | 10gb is large, qq! |
| 20:26.28 | Esamynn | no way 10 minutes is 10 GB, that's justnot possible :P |
| 20:26.42 | foxlit | (I wonder if they could make WoW record movies by recording engine data, then re-rendering it) |
| 20:26.49 | Lunessa | That's more than a DVD movie with extra languages and out-takes! |
| 20:26.57 | foxlit | DVDs are compressed |
| 20:27.20 | Lunessa | foxlit: I forgot my sarcasm tag again. |
| 20:27.23 | Thunder_Child | if i fraps at my res uncompress it's 4gb/1.5min |
| 20:27.30 | foxlit | lua> 10*1024^3/10/60/25 |
| 20:27.30 | lua_bot | foxlit: 715827.88266667 |
| 20:27.32 | Thunder_Child | uncompressed* |
| 20:27.42 | foxlit | Or 715kb per frame |
| 20:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That is what iSCSI is for |
| 20:28.21 | foxlit | lua> 715*25/1024 |
| 20:28.21 | lua_bot | foxlit: 17.4560546875 |
| 20:28.44 | foxlit | I'm sure you could get a 17 MB/s transfer rate without resorting to anything beyond regular sata |
| 20:29.23 | Paradigm | They did it with WC3, but you needed version X to play something recorded on version X |
| 20:29.27 | foxlit | lua> 715827/3, 1680*1050, 1900*1200, 1024*768 |
| 20:29.27 | lua_bot | foxlit: 238609, 1764000, 2280000, 786432 |
| 20:29.30 | Paradigm | it would be pointless to record engine data |
| 20:30.12 | foxlit | Paradigm: your reasoning being that it'd be pointless to record engine data because you'd only be able to play it with the same engine? |
| 20:30.47 | Paradigm | The video would only be useful for 1 patch. |
| 20:31.27 | foxlit | The goal is slightly different from what you think it is |
| 20:31.39 | Paradigm | About the only usefulness of this would be "save the engine data because it's probably less resource intensive so that i'm not bogged down in the heat of the moment" |
| 20:31.46 | Lunessa | foxlit: The "record the data and let the game engine re-render it" model was used by City of Heros. |
| 20:32.36 | foxlit | Indeed -- if you're recording live, you're forced to either have a moderately high storage bandwidth and capacity, or an extremely high amount of processing power. |
| 20:33.01 | foxlit | However, if you could shift those expenses to a later point, you'd win in both encoding quality and storage size. |
| 20:33.39 | foxlit | (my personal annoyance with fraps is that it seems to fail at reproducing the right colors) |
| 20:34.13 | Thrae | foxlit: I think fraps defaults to JPEG, right? |
| 20:34.26 | foxlit | I think it has its own codec |
| 20:34.37 | foxlit | Not sure what it is or how it works |
| 20:34.40 | Thrae | Oh you're talking about fraps movies, not fraps screenshots. |
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| 20:35.04 | foxlit | Indeed; I'm relatively happy with wow's TGA shots |
| 20:35.21 | mikma | tekkub: wtb hairless cat thats actually pretty |
| 20:35.36 | Tekkub | meh, I don't want to pet skin |
| 20:35.41 | Thrae | Yeah fraps works on the RGB overlay level so the colour may be off in either case. |
| 20:36.26 | Lunessa | Tekkub: wait, you think about sex all the time and you don't want to pet skin? *boggle* |
| 20:36.56 | Paradigm | Does WOW have built in recording? I saw a post from 2.2 that it did |
| 20:36.59 | Tekkub | you damn well know I like fur in bed |
| 20:37.04 | durcyn | Paradigm: only on the mac client |
| 20:37.08 | Lunessa | Paradigm: Only on the Mac client. |
| 20:37.14 | durcyn | jinx. |
| 20:37.15 | Lunessa | And it records in QuickTime |
| 20:37.25 | Tekkub | QT: spew! |
| 20:37.47 | foxlit | Actually, the Mac client movie recording is made of win and awesome |
| 20:38.05 | foxlit | There's no noticeable performance hit, and it generates a decent quality movie. |
| 20:38.09 | Paradigm | So they are lazy for the PC version? |
| 20:38.12 | durcyn | well, seeing as .mov was chosen for the mpeg4 container, i don't see how quicktime's an issue |
| 20:38.29 | durcyn | sorenson's dead and buried at this point |
| 20:39.54 | Codayus | I think most of the Quicktime hate is because the Windows Quicktime app and plugin run like a dog, and don't adhere to host OS conventions. |
| 20:40.12 | Codayus | The actual tech is fine. |
| 20:40.43 | Lunessa | Paradigm: There's greater integration of QT to Mac OS X and a "secure" way for WoW to implement access to it. QT is not a standard Windows component, and would require too much opening of the sandboxed environment for Blizzard's comfort. |
| 20:41.12 | foxlit | To be fair, it's about time they've lost a sandbo |
| 20:41.13 | foxlit | x |
| 20:41.29 | Codayus | Yeah, it's a LOT easier to do something like that on a Mac... |
| 20:41.30 | foxlit | Considering all the good stuff is now in a sandbox within the sandbox. |
| 20:42.13 | Lunessa | foxlit: I'm of two minds on the subject, and all those two minds do is throw rocks at each other. |
| 20:42.14 | Paradigm | Nothing's stopping them from rolling their own or doing something other than quicktime |
| 20:42.30 | foxlit | Paradigm: cost vs benefit |
| 20:44.16 | foxlit | "What could possibly go wrong?" |
| 20:44.29 | durcyn | there's no value add there, not when fraps already exists |
| 20:52.34 | Codayus | On Mac, they can leverage existing OS infrastrcture and get it for free. On Windows...yeah, they could write their own, but its a marginaly useful feature, other solutions (FRAPS and friends) exist, and I doubt they want to have the headache of developing or supporting it. |
| 20:53.32 | Codayus | And, let's be honest, Bliz's record on rolling their own voice chat and forum solutions has been fairly terribad. What makes you think they could duplicate FRAPS? :-p |
| 20:53.55 | KarlKFI | the mac video recording works very well |
| 20:56.03 | durcyn | that's a credit to apple, not blizzard |
| 20:56.30 | KarlKFI | The priority was on Mac for 3 reasons: easier to implement; readily available windows alternatives; and the Mac team doesn't have to fix 10,000 device driver bugs |
| 20:58.30 | KarlKFI | Oh and by records in quick time Lunessa means _with_ QT. You can have it export to a number of file types. |
| 20:59.27 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 21:00.35 | KarlKFI | tho personally I prefer exporting to Apple Intermediate Format, which is similar to the lossless for music, so you can then edit it and export to a compressed format without losing much converting between compressions. |
| 21:01.44 | KarlKFI | it's also less processor intensive |
| 21:02.21 | KarlKFI | plus i have huge harddrives so it doesn't matter much |
| 21:03.35 | KarlKFI | tho it does take considerable HD bus bandwidth |
| 21:08.17 | Industrial | Is it possible to get the global cooldown time left? |
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| 21:10.35 | KarlKFI | nafaik |
| 21:14.08 | Jamash | quartz does it by having the user enter a spell and watching it |
| 21:14.20 | Shirik | bleeter: My spec crashes dot |
| 21:14.21 | Shirik | I win |
| 21:15.36 | KarlKFI | use an spell with no cooldown |
| 21:16.19 | durcyn | still causes problems with school lockouts, racial and profession abilities are best |
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| 21:19.35 | Shirik | Does anyone here know how to use dot? |
| 21:19.47 | Shirik | from graphviz |
| 21:19.52 | foxlit | No! I only know how to use exclamation points! |
| 21:19.53 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 I know you do! |
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| 21:20.00 | foxlit | (damn you for clarifying before I could make that point) |
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| 21:38.53 | Wobin | wow hummingbirds are like giant mosquitos... http://vimeo.com/2643504 |
| 21:40.20 | Shirik | lol, dot is currently using 2 GB of memory |
| 21:40.31 | Shirik | Windows needs a ulimit command |
| 21:41.28 | Wobin | also, wow http://www.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/03/17/iran.olympics.skiing/index.html |
| 21:41.48 | Wobin | I'm impressed, skiing in full islamic dress will be kinda impressive |
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| 21:46.52 | Wobin | also zomg, cupcakes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hello_naomi/sets/72157615264711425/ |
| 21:47.43 | Wobin | except it's missing the power balls |
| 21:47.44 | Wobin | =( |
| 21:49.17 | bleeter | Shirik: wut? |
| 21:49.30 | Shirik | Weren't you the one I was talking about dot with yesterday? |
| 21:49.57 | bleeter | yeah |
| 21:50.10 | Shirik | yeah, dot crashes with segmentation fault :P |
| 21:50.23 | bleeter | i'm just amused your saying it crashes dot, then you ask if anyone knows how to use dot :P |
| 21:50.25 | Shirik | I fixed it with ulimit -s 99999999 though |
| 21:50.34 | Shirik | Well I wanted to make sure my graph was right |
| 21:50.37 | Shirik | I think it is |
| 21:50.55 | Shirik | So now dot is just taking 2GB of memory and forever of time |
| 21:51.02 | bleeter | aren't you the ricer? prolly more likely your stupid gentoo compile time flags have fucked your dot up :P |
| 21:51.16 | Shirik | except I'm on ubuntu |
| 21:51.20 | bleeter | oh kk hahaha |
| 21:51.37 | Shirik | kubuntu to be exact, but that's not important |
| 21:51.46 | bleeter | so what's the crash on? got the bt? |
| 21:51.54 | Shirik | It was a stack overflow |
| 21:51.58 | Shirik | I don't have a trace no |
| 21:52.06 | Shirik | I just increased the stack size and let it run |
| 21:52.12 | bleeter | almost sounds like that tree traversal bug in gcc |
| 21:52.15 | Shirik | (I'm hoping it is really doing something and I'm not sitting here waiting for nothing) |
| 21:52.34 | Shirik | So far it's taken 12 minutes of real CPU time |
| 21:52.53 | Shirik | even if it does work, I'm scared of what this picture might look like |
| 21:53.02 | bleeter | remember that wine crash when bvuilding in menu.c? |
| 21:53.13 | Shirik | well, wine doesn't work for me at all tbh :P |
| 21:53.21 | bleeter | nonono there was a bug in gcc |
| 21:53.22 | Shirik | not for wow at least |
| 21:53.33 | bleeter | where it wouldn't do.. gawd too early to remember |
| 21:53.42 | Shirik | err:module:attach_process_dlls "DivxDecoder.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
| 21:53.43 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:54.01 | bleeter | but it was all tree and node traversal stuff and one workaround was ulimit, but the correct workaround was -fno-something or other |
| 21:54.14 | bleeter | just sounds kinda similar |
| 21:54.38 | Shirik | yeah, it does |
| 21:54.51 | bleeter | Shirik: put your shizz up somewhere, I'll grab it and try building on F9 and even F10 if needs be |
| 21:55.01 | bleeter | gimme the comman options etc. yer using too |
| 21:55.02 | Shirik | F9 F10? |
| 21:55.06 | bleeter | but.. right now... afk coffee |
| 21:55.07 | bleeter | fedora |
| 21:55.10 | Shirik | o |
| 21:55.16 | Shirik | they're already at 9? wtf |
| 21:55.22 | Shirik | I tried it a few years ago it was 4 |
| 21:57.45 | kd3 | there's a new release every 6 months or so |
| 21:59.58 | kd3 | and wahahaha... "12 noon: brand-new subway station opens in lower Manhattan. 12:20: water main breaks, brand-new subway station closes [Fail]" |
| 22:00.00 | Shirik | have they never heard of minor version numbers? |
| 22:00.46 | zenzelezz | Shirik: too many people haven't. Wasn't there a fuss about WoW going from 1.9 to 1.10 instead of to 2.0? |
| 22:01.12 | Shirik | users are stupid |
| 22:01.20 | Shirik | these guys are developers |
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| 22:01.29 | TecnoBrat | http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/genocide8472/goldselling.jpg |
| 22:01.29 | zenzelezz | true |
| 22:01.34 | Dashkal | http://smages.com/i/46/3f/463f1bfca3b6efae1ea76069533cb5cd.jpg (SFW unless your boss is a prude) |
| 22:01.37 | TecnoBrat | GOLD SELLING ADS OMG |
| 22:01.55 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 22:01.58 | kd3 | that's fucking win |
| 22:02.25 | TecnoBrat | it is, isn't it? |
| 22:02.30 | zenzelezz | one day I'll make a hugely successful commercial program and only releave it with build numbers. "Oh, you're using 684? 1245 was released last week" |
| 22:02.38 | zenzelezz | *release |
| 22:04.07 | Lunessa | Good lord - I've spent 8 hours rewriting one damned document. |
| 22:04.47 | zenzelezz | what sort of document? |
| 22:05.47 | Tekkub | a looooooooong one |
| 22:05.54 | Lunessa | A quick reference and user guide for our new back up system |
| 22:05.58 | bleeter | mmmm coffee |
| 22:06.03 | zenzelezz | not so quick after all! |
| 22:06.14 | Lunessa | 12 pages. Lots of screen shots. |
| 22:07.40 | zenzelezz | co-worker related a story about a week at a former employer of his when he worked 117 hours. They had made about 1500 screen shots for some sort of guide, but had used a Norwegian version of Windows; and one of their sales people thought they could just "save as English" |
| 22:07.51 | zenzelezz | apparently it was not a fun week |
| 22:08.16 | cbreak | subtitles. |
| 22:08.39 | zenzelezz | that would probably take even more time |
| 22:09.10 | Lunessa | The original version of this document had half the screenshots taken on XP and the other half on Vista. Since this application is only going to be rolled out to Vista users, I replaced all the screenshots to make them consistent. |
| 22:09.32 | Shirik | but |
| 22:09.35 | Shirik | you did it in word |
| 22:09.41 | Shirik | so every time you deleted a picture |
| 22:09.45 | Shirik | it moved EVERY picture to the first page |
| 22:09.54 | Shirik | and jumbled the text |
| 22:09.55 | Shirik | right? |
| 22:10.09 | Lunessa | Hah, no. I used tables to control picture layout. |
| 22:10.16 | Lunessa | Word and I are old foes. |
| 22:10.25 | Shirik | Word was pissing me off while I wrote my paper |
| 22:10.33 | Shirik | I would delete text boxes and it would just throw everything on the first page |
| 22:10.38 | zenzelezz | you were a WordPerfect guy, weren't you? Or Lotus Notes? |
| 22:10.56 | Shirik | I did use wordperfect at one point, yes, and lotus notes as well |
| 22:11.00 | Lunessa | No, I cut my teeth on WordStar bitches. |
| 22:11.01 | Shirik | but lotus notes because company made me |
| 22:11.25 | Shirik | I didn't even realize lotus notes was still around |
| 22:11.26 | Lunessa | But I have been using Word since the original commercial release. |
| 22:11.35 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: you shouldn't have bitten WordStar women, they were young and needed the money |
| 22:11.52 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I paid well. |
| 22:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | In the near future, you'll be able to see World of Warcraft characters in a new place -- the beverage aisle. This summer, Mountain Dew will launch Game Fuel in two World of Warcraft-inspired flavors -- Alliance Blue (wild fruit flavor) and Horde Red (citrus cherry flavor) -- available for a limited time only. |
| 22:12.33 | zenzelezz | Cola has been making horde drinks for a century |
| 22:12.36 | Lunessa | Who cares. That stuff tastes like ass sweat anyway |
| 22:12.37 | kd3 | >.> |
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| 22:12.57 | kd3 | sigh. another oo.o suite download |
| 22:13.00 | Tekkub | just what people want, more shitty flavors of dew |
| 22:13.29 | Tekkub | when will they realize that we've already trained ourself not to taste the "normal" dew, we don't want to go through that again with a new flavor |
| 22:14.06 | zenzelezz | I still wonder why OpenOffice has issues detecting my libfreetype.so.6, when it is on my system. Messed with ld.so.conf, symlinked, etc; still doesn't want to work |
| 22:14.36 | cbreak | does it have hardcoded library paths? |
| 22:15.15 | zenzelezz | don't know. But my version in is /usr/lib, tried symlinking it in /usr/local/lib... it seems to just ignore it |
| 22:15.28 | Shirik | revdep-rebuild |
| 22:15.29 | kd3 | oh geez. fail. nasa.gov is nxdomain (as far as opendns is concerned), but www.nasa.gov is fine. |
| 22:15.30 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 22:15.32 | Shirik | you can't! |
| 22:15.41 | zenzelezz | I get around it by using the Slackbuilds build script, but I'd prefer if the stupid installer just worked |
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| 22:16.10 | Shirik | kd3: My DNS has an answer for nasa.gov ... |
| 22:16.30 | kd3 | so does mine, but opendns popped up the "were you looking for www.nasa.gov?" page |
| 22:18.02 | Dagmar | zenseless: You're in luck, but you'll need to describe a little more clearly what you mean by "doesn't detect it" |
| 22:18.17 | Dagmar | Oh, and which version of Slackware you have installed |
| 22:18.25 | zenzelezz | 12.2 |
| 22:18.34 | Shirik | this is interesting, kd3 |
| 22:18.53 | Shirik | dig only shows an SOA for nasa.gov, not an A record |
| 22:19.11 | ronghail | you have freetype fonts installed? |
| 22:19.19 | Shirik | at ns1.nasa.gov |
| 22:19.45 | Dagmar | zenseless: So assuming you still have the original freetype for 12.2 installed, is it the OOo binary installer that's failing or are you trying to build it? |
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| 22:20.38 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: the installer |
| 22:21.26 | ronghail | you ran ldconfig? |
| 22:21.27 | Shirik | kd3: fixed the wow problem, btw |
| 22:21.34 | kd3 | hm? |
| 22:21.46 | Shirik | For some reason, it simply didn't like running on the other drive |
| 22:21.51 | kd3 | ah |
| 22:21.53 | zenzelezz | ronghail: yup |
| 22:22.08 | kd3 | I still need to figure out what's causing key events to not show up properly after a while |
| 22:22.19 | Shirik | ok no, It's not fixed |
| 22:22.21 | kd3 | especially when I'm pounding on the keyboard a lot, say for malygos or sarth |
| 22:22.22 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 22:22.32 | Shirik | screen spazzing out ^_^ |
| 22:22.34 | Dagmar | There's an installer for OOo for Slackware? |
| 22:23.16 | Industrial | uh, probably? |
| 22:23.25 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: there's no specific installer, no, but the "omg speedy download here!!" button seems to suggest it should work. I'm also pretty sure the 2.4 ones worked |
| 22:23.25 | Dagmar | zenseless: Are you trying to use the generic Linux RPM? |
| 22:23.42 | Dagmar | Industrial: Well, I mean I've built it before becuase there was no installer I thought was likely to work |
| 22:23.59 | zenzelezz | "OOo_3.0.1_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz" |
| 22:24.46 | kd3 | whee, they're gonna open up the hatch between the shuttle/station in ~5ish minutes |
| 22:24.53 | Dagmar | Lemme download that and see what it does |
| 22:25.16 | zenzelezz | don't bother, like I said I just used the build script from Slackbuilds |
| 22:25.44 | Dagmar | So could you pastebin when it's barking at you about not having freetype? |
| 22:25.53 | Dagmar | The version of freetype you have *should* be working |
| 22:26.01 | Dagmar | I'm certain I can make a workaround for whatever broke |
| 22:26.05 | bleeter | did someone break the wow forums again? |
| 22:26.14 | Industrial | anyone know how I can check (in an onupdate) howmuch time I have left on my GCD |
| 22:26.14 | zenzelezz | just says the dependency libfreetype.so.6 wasn't met |
| 22:28.50 | Dagmar | Humor me and pastebin about the 10 lines above and below that so I can tell what's failing |
| 22:29.08 | Dagmar | Robby did that Slackbuild which means it *should* work |
| 22:29.13 | Dagmar | Something in your filesystem is likely unclean |
| 22:29.58 | Dagmar | Probably something in the configure test, but their site's being slow about givin' me the tarball |
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| 22:33.09 | zenzelezz | doesn't seem like I have the installer package anymore; only kept the .tgz |
| 22:33.19 | zenzelezz | (generated by the Slackbuild script) |
| 22:33.48 | Industrial | any enhancement shaman here/ |
| 22:33.48 | Dagmar | So it's *after* you've installed what the Slackbuild made that it complains and exits? |
| 22:33.53 | Industrial | (that wants to test an addon) |
| 22:34.32 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: no, I tried using the installer first; and when it gave me trouble I googled around briefly and then just decided to use the Slackbuilds script instead |
| 22:35.25 | Dagmar | So which thing is calling foul on your version of Freetype? |
| 22:36.09 | zenzelezz | the first thing it tries to install; ooobase or something like that. Then they chain fail, mostly complaining about ooobase missing |
| 22:36.49 | zenzelezz | it could be an issue with the environment, something it doesn't like about sudo or whatever, I just didn't care enough to dig deep when I couldn't find a quick answer |
| 22:37.18 | zenzelezz | but as far as freetype's concerned, I haven't touched it at all since I installed 12.2, and other programs use it fine |
| 22:37.38 | Dagmar | No slackware package has install-time dependency checks |
| 22:38.10 | zenzelezz | I know this; but what relevance does that have to the OOO installer? |
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| 22:38.41 | Dagmar | This is why I kept asking you *what* was giving the error |
| 22:38.45 | Dagmar | The answer is apparently RPM. |
| 22:39.06 | Dagmar | Just pass it --force |
| 22:39.15 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.25 | Shirik | Anyone know of any alternatives to GraphViz dot for creating digraphs? |
| 22:39.25 | Dagmar | RPM doesn't really look for actual files to verify dependencies, it looks at it's database of what you have installed. |
| 22:39.52 | Dagmar | Since Slackware isn't an RPM-based system, and you didn't install libfreetype using RPM, the database RPM is looking at doesn't have any information about it being there, so it decides it doesn't have it. |
| 22:40.34 | Thrae | RPM is a bad package management system to try and integrate into Slackware. |
| 22:40.54 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 22:41.28 | Dagmar | zenseless: You should just use the tgz that the openoffice.org.Slackbuild script put in your /tmp directory after you ran it |
| 22:41.42 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: that doesn't change the fact that I believe 2.4 installers worked fine. I also have no idea how to interfere with the installer to use --force, and I really just can't be arsed to do anything about it since I have a working version on my system now |
| 22:41.50 | Dagmar | The openoffice.org-3.0.1_en_US-i586-2_SBo package will *install* but whether or not it'll run is anyone's guess |
| 22:42.09 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: that's exactly what I said right from the start that I did... |
| 22:43.03 | Dagmar | I thought you werne't able to get it running by what I saw on the window. My mistake then. |
| 22:43.34 | Dagmar | good thing I can easily revert my dev environment |
| 22:43.42 | Torhal | Asus M3A78-CM with AMD Phenom 9500: Thoughts? |
| 22:44.02 | NeoTron | AMD |
| 22:44.26 | NeoTron | to qualify that - performance wise AMD isn't competetive atm but I don't know how it does on a price/performance PoV |
| 22:44.38 | Torhal | $171.97 for the board/processor. |
| 22:44.42 | Dagmar | It's price-competitive |
| 22:44.55 | NeoTron | price or price/performance? |
| 22:45.19 | Torhal | And I'm running an Athlon XP 2000+, so it's definitely competitive performance-wise. |
| 22:45.21 | Torhal | Heh |
| 22:45.24 | Dagmar | The price points per processing unit are equal |
| 22:45.32 | Dagmar | Saying they're not performance-competitive is silly |
| 22:45.46 | NeoTron | that's not what I'm saying |
| 22:46.01 | NeoTron | I'm asking if, for that price, if the equivalent intel is more expensive |
| 22:46.06 | Dagmar | That only applies to the extremely high-end early adopter market where Intel is more willing to let people pay a mint for epeen-stroking rights |
| 22:46.07 | NeoTron | because performance wise intel is a lot better |
| 22:46.37 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Perhaps you'll want to buy the model that's not on sale because it doesn't have a TLB problem |
| 22:46.57 | Dagmar | Or just keep listening to what the fifteen-year old kids say about them |
| 22:47.54 | Dagmar | Get one of the 9x50's |
| 22:48.12 | NeoTron | no clue what you're talking about |
| 22:48.22 | NeoTron | Intel's medium/top end is faster than AMD at the moment |
| 22:48.26 | Dagmar | The 9500 and 9600 have a TLB issue that needs a software workaround |
| 22:48.29 | NeoTron | I don't know if the low end is competetrive in price |
| 22:48.41 | Dagmar | The 9550, 9650, and 9850 (hence 9x50) chips do not. |
| 22:48.56 | Dagmar | The low end is where AMD tends to win regardless. |
| 22:49.12 | Dagmar | Why you're buying a quad core CPU for a game that doesn't even support SLI I have no idea |
| 22:49.37 | Codayus | Eh, SLI and quad core aren't really related, no? |
| 22:49.48 | NeoTron | I suspect he meant dual cpu rather than SLI |
| 22:49.49 | Dagmar | They're not, but WoW is single-threaded last time I checked. |
| 22:50.02 | NeoTron | and perhaps he uses his computer for more than wow |
| 22:50.05 | NeoTron | novel concept |
| 22:50.32 | NeoTron | wow uses about 13% cpu on my computer |
| 22:50.53 | Dagmar | I run gcc like it's a hooker that owes me money, and I'm more than fine with a 4850e |
| 22:51.31 | Codayus | Dagmar: I believe WoW is kinda... 1 and a 1/4 threaded, or so. They do split a few things off into a seperate thread, but it's way less than half... |
| 22:51.32 | Thrae | The reason AMD is failing is not because of desktop performance but mobile performance. The first AMD clones were basically just the Intel architecture without thermal control. AMD overclocks their stuff as much as possible. While it's true they did push HyperTransport and 64-bit to desktops before anyone else, in mobile they never had the all-in-one power management solutions Intel and other manufacturers could offer. |
| 22:51.54 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 22:51.57 | NeoTron | Thrae: well. they also fail on the desktop on the medium/highend spectrum |
| 22:52.17 | Thrae | AMD bought up ATI specifically to target the mobile market and so far has failed. That's why AMD's stock has plumeted far beneath Intel BEFORE the financial crisis. |
| 22:52.42 | Dagmar | ...and yet they still make chips just fine. |
| 22:53.08 | Thrae | I'm not necessarily saying Intel is better then AMD or visa-versa. They are a better business and do lead the industry. |
| 22:53.30 | Dagmar | Allow me to suggest that you look at benchmarks, lots and lots of benchmarks, before you buy a quad-core CPU |
| 22:53.35 | kraft | how was it specifically to target the mobile market? |
| 22:53.38 | Dagmar | Actual hard numbers, not blogs run by fanboys. |
| 22:53.38 | Nechckn | Does anyone admit to seeing "Twilight"? |
| 22:53.49 | kraft | >< |
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| 22:54.00 | Nechckn | if so, was it any good or as gross as it looked in the previews? |
| 22:54.02 | Dagmar | I ran the numbers on most of the mid and upper-end stuff about six months ago, and the difference in price/performance was less than 5% between the two companies |
| 22:54.17 | NeoTron | Dagmar: do you think anyone doubt that a fast dual core processor is, often or typically, better than a quad core for gaming? |
| 22:54.27 | kraft | i think it was more to do with the fact that they realise the cpd/gpu divide was decreasing |
| 22:54.32 | kraft | realised* |
| 22:54.36 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Gamers do a lot of stupid s**t |
| 22:54.47 | Dagmar | kraft++ |
| 22:54.54 | NeoTron | any gamer that knows anything knows that a higher clocked dual core is faster |
| 22:55.08 | Thrae | kraft: It always has been for the mobile market, and Intel really sought out integration before AMD. |
| 22:55.19 | Dagmar | gosh, imagine that. A higher-clocked chip running faster. |
| 22:55.23 | NeoTron | but what some people don't seem to understand is taht there are more uses for a computer than gaming |
| 22:55.34 | Dagmar | Yes, like transcoding video. |
| 22:55.34 | NeoTron | and that "fast enough" usually is fast enough for 95% of the users |
| 22:55.50 | NeoTron | you confuse me. it's like you're arguing against yourself |
| 22:56.06 | Dagmar | You're not making much sense from where I sit, either. |
| 22:56.09 | NeoTron | Dagmar paraphrased: don't get a quad core, it's not good for gaming |
| 22:56.20 | NeoTron | Dagmar paraphraes: but get quad core, it's good for transcodign!! |
| 22:56.22 | Dagmar | NeoTron: You misquote |
| 22:56.26 | NeoTron | I paraphrase |
| 22:56.30 | Dagmar | You misquote. |
| 22:56.31 | NeoTron | didn't quote |
| 22:56.46 | Dagmar | Your "paraphrase" contains material differences from what I stated. |
| 22:56.53 | Thrae | Quad Core or not Quad Core it depends on your operating system for one. Vista and Windows 7 both have far, far better support for a multicore environment then XP. |
| 22:56.57 | NeoTron | Dagmar: Why you're buying a quad core CPU for a game that doesn't even support SLI I have no idea (translation - don't buy quad core) |
| 22:57.20 | NeoTron | dagmar: Yes, like transcoding video. (you should get quad core, it has additional uses) |
| 22:57.20 | Dagmar | Quad core is overkill for games like WoW. For things like CoD and whatnot where every little enemy gets his own little thread and will consequently eat you out of house and home on CPU power, quad core is great. |
| 22:57.36 | Dagmar | For transcoding, quad core is great, PROVIDED you have a multi-threaded way to transcode. |
| 22:57.44 | Nechckn | FPSes are where I like consoles |
| 22:57.48 | Dagmar | ...and provided you can even do that operation with four threads. |
| 22:57.57 | Nechckn | because the hw is 'basically' the same |
| 22:58.18 | NeoTron | point is I bet if someone is looking at a quad core they are aware of what a quad core is and does and what it doesn't do |
| 22:58.36 | Codayus | Mmm, quad core is nice if you use your box for more than just gaming; just because the game is limited to one or two cores doesn't mean you don't have other stuff in the background using your 3rd and 4th cores. |
| 22:58.37 | Dagmar | ...yet you had no clue what I was talking about when I mentioned TLB. |
| 22:58.49 | Dagmar | You would lose that bet. |
| 22:58.50 | Thrae | I agree Quad Core is overkill for games like WoW, but only if you're making a cheap computer based on a lower price in price/performance ratio. |
| 22:59.02 | ckknight | my gf just bought an $800 laptop that runs WoW like a dream |
| 22:59.12 | Codayus | But it is worth emphasizing that for gaming performance, for any given $ value you'd probably be better off with a faster clocked dual-core... |
| 22:59.23 | Nechckn | ckknight really? have a linky? |
| 22:59.32 | ckknight | ah, I dunno it |
| 22:59.36 | ckknight | I just know she calls it "Terrence" |
| 22:59.38 | Nechckn | kk.. just curious |
| 22:59.42 | Nechckn | lol, nice! |
| 22:59.44 | Dagmar | I can believe it considering I built all new desktops for me and my GF to play WoW on just three months ago |
| 22:59.46 | Thrae | Codayus: Not until you factor in Core i7. |
| 22:59.49 | ckknight | after the graverobber in Repo |
| 22:59.51 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:00.18 | Dagmar | Tax and shipping brought their costs to about $400 apiece. Only bad thing I can say about it is that the 8600's don't handle all the crap that goes on the screen during a 25-man raid all that well |
| 23:00.19 | Nechckn | my kind of wowman, right there |
| 23:00.19 | NeoTron | Dagmar: I don't care about some bug in AMD chips - why is that in any way relevant? you like to jerk your own greatness it seems |
| 23:00.38 | Thrae | The price/performance has to include scalability unless all you ever will do is play WoW or less. Then you can deal with a lower price in your price/performance ratio and ignore scalability since the WoW engine is so old. |
| 23:00.42 | Dagmar | NeoTron: You were *talking* about the very AMD chips with the TLB problem |
| 23:00.51 | Torhal | Dagmar: Eh, the processor was $90. I said fuck it. I haven't had a new system in five years. |
| 23:00.52 | ckknight | Nechckn: was that intentional or a freudian slip? |
| 23:01.16 | NeoTron | no I was asking Torhal what the difference between amd / intel pricing was at that level |
| 23:01.16 | Nechckn | ckknight nah, just that you are a lucky man |
| 23:01.20 | Dagmar | Torhal: Yeah the 4850e's were ridiculously cheap |
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| 23:01.31 | ckknight | Nechckn: you said "wowman" instead of "woman", just pointing that out |
| 23:01.38 | Nechckn | oh my |
| 23:01.44 | Nechckn | didn't even see that! |
| 23:01.45 | Nechckn | lol |
| 23:01.51 | Thrae | If there's ever a WoW 2 or WoS (World of Starcraft), etc., then you may want to look at scalability if you ever think of going up from WoW. Age of Conan is a good example of where MMORPGs can start to really stress the hardware right off the bat and get decent results out of it. Yes, it was a buggy failure, but they had decent algorithms that provided stunning visuals. |
| 23:02.15 | Nechckn | ckknight must be something deep within my twisted being! |
| 23:02.19 | Torhal | NeoTron: I didn't even check, honestly. |
| 23:02.21 | ckknight | ...truth |
| 23:02.24 | Dagmar | Thrae: I'd say the more important thing about AoC is that their hardware requirements were an outright lie |
| 23:02.36 | Torhal | ALl I know is I'm getting a supremely superior machine for under $200. |
| 23:02.52 | Nechckn | Torhal now that sounds yummy |
| 23:02.58 | NeoTron | my system is a Core i7. I was not in the market for cpu/mobo combos in the $150-200 range so I don't know what they are |
| 23:03.11 | NeoTron | Torhal: so.. your memory / gfx card etc works with it? |
| 23:03.14 | NeoTron | memory especially |
| 23:03.15 | Thrae | Dagmar: You could say the same for WoW pre-BC. They basically lied about how responsive their game would be while raiding. It was common to be a bit above the specs and get like 1-2 FPS while raiding. |
| 23:03.27 | Thrae | Dagmar: This wouldn't be cause for concern if raiding wasn't such a big part of WoW. |
| 23:03.44 | Dagmar | Thrae: I had above the minimums and I couldn't complete the single-player campaign without doing a lot of running blind |
| 23:03.58 | Torhal | NeoTron: I have 4GB of DDR2 that works with the board, and I'll use the onboard video for a couple of months. Shitty, yes, but better than my 128MB FX5500 |
| 23:04.03 | Dagmar | Thrae: Like, .02-.04 FPS during the final "entire village" fight. |
| 23:04.07 | Thrae | WoW basically "fixed" this problem by making 40-man raids no longer the requirement |
| 23:04.08 | NeoTron | all "recommended specs" are wrong |
| 23:04.25 | NeoTron | show me a single game where you can run a game comfortably on the "minimum spec" or even the "recommended spec" |
| 23:04.30 | Nechckn | Thrae very true about 40 deprecation |
| 23:04.40 | Thrae | NeoTron: I think you mean "minimum", unless you consider "minimum" to mean "minimum this is playable". Recommended is usually OK. |
| 23:04.41 | NeoTron | Thrae: every expansion made wow performance worse due to higher complexity |
| 23:04.42 | Dagmar | World of Warcraft for one thing |
| 23:04.54 | NeoTron | 25-man raids in BC were more taxing than 40 man raids in vanilla |
| 23:05.05 | Dagmar | Ther'es bad FPS and there's "a slideshow that goes too slowly to follow" |
| 23:05.17 | Dagmar | AoC gave you the latter even if you had a 6800 |
| 23:05.24 | Dagmar | ...and they claimed 6600 was the minimum |
| 23:05.59 | Thrae | Dagmar: I got AoC running on the minimum. It had playable FPS. Granted this was on tweaked XP. |
| 23:06.18 | Dagmar | Thrae: Do you remember the last phase of the single-player part of that at all? |
| 23:06.23 | Thrae | A 6600 on Vista is already asking for trouble |
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| 23:06.35 | Dagmar | You're telling me you got their minimum requirements to stay above a frame every four or five seconds during that? |
| 23:06.59 | Dagmar | It was "playable" until about that point, and then you had to just hold down the run key and pray |
| 23:06.59 | Thrae | Dagmar: My job only let me play like 15 minutes of the game at a time on one spec honestly |
| 23:07.37 | Dagmar | You should revisit their single-player campaign. That big messy fight wasn't doable anywhere near the minimum requirements at release time |
| 23:08.36 | Thrae | Dagmar: Yeah; that was a little earlier then WoW. However you could do instances early on in WoW and it was pretty slideshow-riffic when it first came out. |
| 23:08.53 | Dagmar | Age of Conan was before WoW? |
| 23:09.07 | Thrae | Dagmar: No I mean progress in the game. |
| 23:09.57 | Thrae | Someone playing even an hour or two of WoW won't necessarily get up to Ragefire Chasm / Deadmines at time of WoW's release. |
| 23:10.00 | Lunessa | Old news is old, but -- Wooo! http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ui.html |
| 23:10.00 | Dagmar | I really didn't have any problems with WoW on a 5200 at release time unless I was on a gryphon |
| 23:10.31 | Dagmar | That was what I was using all through CB, too. |
| 23:10.51 | Tekkub | "the iphone installer just said 'validating package' and i actually said out loud, directly to my computer, 'thats what she said'" |
| 23:10.58 | Dagmar | It was BC that made me get rid of the 6600, just because of that weird bug that caused crashes when you were near certain flying mounts |
| 23:13.08 | Hjalte | Tekkub: I just saw this in an addon description: "If you have a Lightweight Data Broker (LDB) container add-on, Boss Notes shows in that container." :) |
| 23:13.23 | Tekkub | lawl |
| 23:13.41 | mikma | hey i've got a cool idea! Bimbo that works with inspect! |
| 23:13.48 | mikma | (awaiting patch) |
| 23:14.10 | Tekkub | every time you bug me, it goes even lower on my todo |
| 23:14.21 | mikma | what about if i get someone other to bug you |
| 23:14.24 | mikma | will the prio arise? |
| 23:14.26 | Tekkub | same |
| 23:14.28 | Thrae | mikma: I know my inspect works with most bimbos. |
| 23:14.31 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 23:14.42 | Codayus | If we bug you enough, will it overflow and wrap around? |
| 23:14.59 | mikma | no idea |
| 23:15.01 | mikma | worth a try tho |
| 23:15.15 | Tekkub | there is no overflow |
| 23:15.25 | Tekkub | my todo list is infinately deep |
| 23:15.46 | Thrae | Tekkub's perverseness is already at -127. |
| 23:16.48 | [draco] | glad to see I'm not the only one |
| 23:20.50 | NeoTron | man I wonder what blizzard is thinking with plate DPS gear. Sometimes the dps gear has more stamina than tank gear and most of the time it seems pretty similar |
| 23:21.20 | Tekkub | they're thinking DKs want to tank in dps gear? |
| 23:21.23 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 23:21.34 | Dagmar | I think they're figuring that a lot of players just obsess about one stat, and others like to carry around multiple sets, so they give us lots of room to screw around |
| 23:21.41 | Wraithan | The stuff that has more sta is typically gear with sockets, and they assume tanks are going to socket sta |
| 23:21.53 | mikma | neotron: the suckers need to stay alive with lots of asswhooping |
| 23:21.54 | Wraithan | ER |
| 23:22.24 | NeoTron | I'd be more worried about the leather and mail melee staying alive... and they don't have huge stam (and mind you 5 vs 4 stats leading to overall better gear) |
| 23:22.33 | Dagmar | My DK's bank is just filling up with stuff I can't DE yet, but by george if I want a million hit points instead of hitting like a building fell on someone, there's a whole range of gearings to be slapped together |
| 23:23.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=mpdelbuo@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 23:23.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 23:23.49 | Dagmar | Sad thing is that it really doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of difference when you're leveling a DK. You just slap the buttons and everything dies |
| 23:24.08 | ckknight | ~seen totalpackage |
| 23:24.11 | purl | i haven't seen 'totalpackage', ckknight |
| 23:24.15 | ckknight | hmm |
| 23:24.24 | ckknight | does totalpackage run under a different name on IRC or just not come here? |
| 23:24.53 | NeoTron | mikma: problem is for plate it appears ulduar gear will be very minimal upgrades except more health.. |
| 23:25.25 | Dagmar | -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- totalpackage is not registered. |
| 23:25.31 | mikma | neotron: good to know actually :D |
| 23:25.43 | mikma | that means i can stick with my current gear and still do good dps |
| 23:27.05 | Thunder_Child | well bg's are going to skyrocket |
| 23:27.19 | Dagmar | I suspect maybe they noticed that the upper-end gear was taking the numbers up a little faster than would make it realistic to retain that trend unless they wanted all the level 81 gear to have triple-digits on everything |
| 23:27.21 | Thunder_Child | partipation anyway |
| 23:28.06 | Shirik | bleeter: ping |
| 23:28.26 | NeoTron | Dagmar: except of course this issue is only for plate, not for leather or mail |
| 23:28.29 | NeoTron | I mean |
| 23:28.44 | NeoTron | even some mail pieces with INT on them are better than plate right now for warriors/dks |
| 23:28.55 | NeoTron | and from the looks of it that'll be even more inflated in ulduar |
| 23:30.10 | Rujind | PVP needed work |
| 23:30.26 | Rujind | i'm excited 8) |
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| 23:32.51 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I'll have to take your word on that stamina issue, since I'm still not looking at plate with much of a clue what I'm looking at. |
| 23:33.57 | Tem | weird |
| 23:34.03 | Tem | my auth key was just 999999 |
| 23:34.51 | Dagmar | Well, it has to happen sometime |
| 23:38.37 | Shirik | It's actually likely for it to happen at least once a day somewhere in the world |
| 23:39.31 | Dagmar | I'd worry if it starts showing you '666' a few times an hour, but beyond that it's practically just a random number generator |
| 23:42.53 | Dagmar | On the subject of trying to tell that guy the 9500 phenom was probably a bad idea, I've finally come to a conclusion |
| 23:43.18 | Dagmar | People who take an issue with being told something by someone with 20 years experience building PCs for people can take a flying leap. |
| 23:44.10 | kmcguire | The phenom 9500 is bad? |
| 23:44.59 | foxlit | whee |
| 23:45.32 | Dagmar | Meh there's a problem with the TLB on them that required a software workaround at the expense of about 5-15% of the processing speed. |
| 23:45.39 | foxlit | So I do a GetContainerItemLink(bag, slot), get a link back, successfully match ID, then call GetItemInfo(id) and get a nil link. |
| 23:45.49 | kmcguire | Yeah, I have been wondering if mine is affected. I bought it before I knew about it. |
| 23:46.11 | Dagmar | Well, if it's not crashing a few times a day then you probably got the fix already |
| 23:46.48 | bleeter | lol "no addon author's ever written anything I need, except for Omen" hahahaha =)) some guy got jealous that my using an addon to for WG raids usurped his 'position' on the realm |
| 23:46.51 | kmcguire | The performance on integer and floating point was a little low. Then I ganged the two memory controllers and it picked up and made me happy. |
| 23:49.02 | NeoTron | bleeter: "to form"? |
| 23:51.41 | Mooninaut | foxlit: any particular item, or all items? |
| 23:52.00 | foxlit | Mooninaut: it's someone else's error, and it occurs at load time. |
| 23:52.14 | Wraithan | bleeter: which addon is yours? |
| 23:52.18 | Mooninaut | maybe the item cache hasn't been loaded yet |
| 23:52.38 | foxlit | yet container links are available |
| 23:52.55 | foxlit | But yeah, I agree with you. The UI is entirely allowed to throw those things if I ask it for information too early :) |
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| 23:54.57 | bleeter | Wraithan: i'm hacking on the wintergrasper advanced atm, need to send a diff off to the principal author today |
| 23:54.58 | Mooninaut | I would test it, if I felt like it, by registering for all the events that fire on startup and seeing at what point that code starts to succeed |
| 23:55.41 | bleeter | he's particularly annoyed at my mage portal detection and kicking, auto quest sharing, attempts at afk detection |
| 23:55.57 | bleeter | it's just hands down pretty dang funny |
| 23:56.14 | bleeter | gunna troll him all day in /trade now 'How does top guild on realm raid w/o raid unit frames??' |
| 23:56.24 | Mooninaut | so this guy considered himself king of wintergrasp? |
| 23:56.30 | bleeter | 'top guild on realm only uses one action bar, must be leet' |
| 23:57.13 | Wraithan | You can have more than 1 actionbar without addons |
| 23:57.13 | bleeter | yeah he got real cut when I started acting like an idiot just once outta 3 weeks in there .. then started bagging out addons coz he does it all manually |
| 23:57.29 | bleeter | Wraithan: very original additional actionbars were an addon ;) |
| 23:57.48 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12443-WintergrasptimerViolatesmod.html << whee, that's new |
| 23:57.53 | bleeter | there's a bucket of now default foo that came from addons, so could almost be argued, default UI is still filled with addons |
| 23:59.10 | bleeter | foxlit: which addon violates? bit hard to tell from that msgh |
| 23:59.20 | Thunder_Child | not by a literal def of 'addon' bleeter |
| 23:59.25 | Dagmar | bleeter: If you click on the underlined "work" link it takes you to the original |
| 23:59.36 | Dagmar | I thought that issue got hashed out in *here* actually |
| 23:59.50 | foxlit | I must've slept through that |
