| 00:16.32 | kraftman | if i do frame:SetParent(frame2) shouldnt frame2:StartMoving() move frame as well? |
| 00:20.27 | kraftman | :S |
| 00:24.59 | AbsolutRayne_ | Hmm |
| 00:27.44 | kraftman | i just want frame to move as well when i move frame2 |
| 00:27.55 | kraftman | which it wont do atm :( |
| 00:35.01 | Tekkub | parent doesn't do that, it does visibility and scale |
| 00:35.10 | Tekkub | you need to anchor the frame to it |
| 00:35.39 | kraftman | oh |
| 00:35.43 | Tekkub | frame2:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", frame, "TOPLEFT") etc |
| 00:36.09 | kraftman | wowwikki says "the child will be physically attached to the parent for movement" |
| 00:36.12 | kraftman | guess that got me confused |
| 00:36.31 | Tekkub | parent makes it so if you hide the parent, children are hidden |
| 00:36.38 | kraftman | ok |
| 00:36.40 | Tekkub | parent and anchor are totally different things |
| 00:36.45 | NightHawkTheSane | omg |
| 00:36.54 | NightHawkTheSane | apparently "don't kill spores" is too fucking complex for my raid group |
| 00:37.06 | kraftman | so im going to have to record the getpoint of the frame beforehand, and after, and work out the displacement? |
| 00:37.07 | Tekkub | that's three words there |
| 00:37.15 | Tekkub | one of which is a contraction |
| 00:37.21 | Tekkub | and another is more than 4 letters |
| 00:37.27 | Tekkub | that's fucking complicated |
| 00:39.29 | Wobin | Kill Spore Not? |
| 00:39.44 | Tekkub | NO SPORE |
| 00:39.49 | alestane | Wobin |
| 00:40.33 | Tekkub | BAD |
| 00:40.33 | mikma | NORE |
| 00:40.33 | Wobin | alestane |
| 00:40.33 | alestane | Wobin: No, that starts with kill spore. |
| 00:40.33 | alestane | So they'll think that's the instruction. |
| 00:40.33 | Wobin | HUG SPORE |
| 00:40.37 | Tekkub | SPORE GOOD FIRE BAD |
| 00:40.56 | mikma | OWWWW! Fire indeed hot! |
| 00:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: it was like the first spore that spawned too. .< |
| 00:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 00:42.09 | Tekkub | what you need is a rhyme so they remember |
| 00:42.15 | Tekkub | kill al gore, not the spores |
| 00:43.10 | foxlit | accidental damage, at least? |
| 00:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | Me like shinies |
| 00:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: *shrug* hard to say with 25 people all clumped up, i wasn't really paying attnention |
| 00:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | we were very specific about turning off reflecive damage abilities, and not using aoe.. |
| 00:49.26 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Wandering plague? |
| 00:50.04 | Wobin | ugh |
| 00:50.13 | kraftman | solved it by writing my own GetPoint() :D |
| 00:50.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: ooh. possible.. |
| 00:50.49 | Wobin | just have a spare DK chains of ice the spores =) |
| 00:51.06 | Wobin | if the Wandering Plague tooltip is correct in saying it'll ignore it |
| 00:51.08 | Wobin | maybe |
| 00:51.09 | Wobin | hm |
| 00:51.15 | Wobin | no, damage doesn't affect that |
| 00:53.19 | mikma | tekkub: oh i know, get Samuel L. Jackson to sing some rhymes |
| 00:53.36 | mikma | like he does in Long Kiss Goodbye :D |
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| 01:07.38 | foxlit | ~addonkit |
| 01:07.40 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
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| 01:15.18 | AbsolutRayne_ | My night has been made |
| 01:15.39 | AbsolutRayne_ | I get into a Naxx 25 run with 1 other Rogue. and The first thing he asksme is 'Do you have a Tricks DPS Macro?' |
| 01:15.48 | AbsolutRayne_ | I just went ^________^ |
| 01:16.07 | Wobin | and said "No" |
| 01:16.32 | alestane | AbsolutRayne_: Is that a wide grin, or what does that represent? |
| 01:16.55 | Corrodias | i believe so. |
| 01:17.14 | Corrodias | self-satisfaction, perhaps |
| 01:17.52 | AbsolutRayne_ | Its nice knowing other Rogues are willing to do that |
| 01:17.54 | AbsolutRayne_ | lol |
| 01:18.52 | Aznamir | i'd get more satisfaction if I could answer... "Do I? I invented it!" |
| 01:20.42 | Gnarfoz | wtf is that supposed to be? |
| 01:20.44 | Wobin | So what is the Tricks DPS macro? |
| 01:21.51 | mikma | wobin: tricks of trade? |
| 01:22.00 | [draco] | /script domoredpsnow() |
| 01:22.14 | Gnarfoz | mikma: that part is obvious enough |
| 01:22.29 | Wobin | I was wondering what Domo Red Psnow was for a second there =P |
| 01:22.31 | mikma | thank you captain obvious |
| 01:22.47 | mikma | wobin: same here! |
| 01:22.59 | [draco] | yeah, cba to press shift... sorry. |
| 01:23.32 | [draco] | red peesnow doesn't sound that good, though :/ |
| 01:23.39 | mikma | no it doesn't |
| 01:24.07 | alestane | I'm leaving; watch me leaving... |
| 01:26.03 | mikma | i'm caring; watch me caring... |
| 01:27.27 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_031609_032636.jpg |
| 01:28.21 | [draco] | nice small zombie you got there |
| 01:28.35 | mikma | thanks, it's my boyfriend |
| 01:28.52 | [draco] | does he satisfy your every need? |
| 01:29.06 | mikma | entirely! |
| 01:29.24 | Wobin | mikma: What's defined as "profit"? |
| 01:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not gonna lie, that is kinda creepy |
| 01:29.47 | mikma | wobin: looted money + amount of money gained by selling all the grey shit you have looted |
| 01:29.53 | [draco] | something looks kinda broken in your chatlog, though |
| 01:30.04 | mikma | wobin: it uses GetSellValue (that comes with ie. SellFish) |
| 01:30.59 | [draco] | needs a better name, by the way |
| 01:31.21 | mikma | yeah it's just the name i use in my Hack |
| 01:31.30 | [draco] | I'd go for the always popular gnome and name it AccountantGnome |
| 01:31.36 | mikma | wobin and tekkub already gave me some names |
| 01:32.16 | mikma | wobin: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_031609_033117.jpg <- this is what you see if GetSellValue doesn't exist :) |
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| 01:42.56 | kraftman | http://hdimage.org/images/rmu0gl8pwv02pbuq2tk_ocrnhot030509171859.jpg <- this is what you see if you SetAllpoints() to a frame that doesnt exist :( |
| 01:43.26 | mikma | COPPER_AMOUNT_TEXTURE = "%d\124TInterface\\MoneyFrame\\UI-CopperIcon:%d:%d:2:0\124t" <- so how can i actually use this one? :I |
| 01:43.45 | mikma | %d is propably the value but ... how can i enter it? :) |
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| 01:45.40 | Kaso| | kraftman looks like the perfect ui for a druid |
| 01:45.47 | kraftman | :P |
| 01:50.25 | MentalPower | mikma: COPPER_AMOUNT_TEXTURE:format(amount) |
| 01:50.35 | MentalPower | or actually, not |
| 01:50.52 | kraftman | http://hdimage.org/images/k9eok5kdpjelukz44rl_ocrnhot010709001953.jpg |
| 01:50.54 | MentalPower | mikma: COPPER_AMOUNT_TEXTURE:format(0,0) |
| 01:51.06 | kraftman | i should make a gallery called 'when Bad code goes wrong' |
| 01:51.47 | MentalPower | "attack of the code" |
| 01:51.53 | kraftman | ^^ |
| 01:52.23 | kraftman | reminds me a bit of those de-motivational posters |
| 01:52.44 | mikma | mentalpower: erhm, so why do i get errors with that? heh |
| 01:53.35 | MentalPower | what kind of errors |
| 01:53.46 | kraftman | the worst kind |
| 01:54.04 | Arrowmaster | mikma, MentalPower: because the format string has three %d's |
| 01:54.19 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: good spotting, didn't see that first one |
| 01:54.33 | mikma | hmm |
| 01:54.34 | MentalPower | mikma: COPPER_AMOUNT_TEXTURE:format(amount,0,0) |
| 01:54.46 | mikma | yeah that might have been the reason why it didn't work :) |
| 01:54.56 | mikma | thanks, now it works |
| 01:55.04 | Arrowmaster | first is the amount, the other two are related to the |T|t escape sequence |
| 01:55.28 | bleeter | did someone's break the Repair.exe server?? |
| 01:55.38 | mikma | they seem to be size or something |
| 01:58.33 | Arrowmaster | mikma: yeah thats what i was thinking and i didnt know why MentalPower said to use 0,0 but i havent messed with embedded textures so i didnt say anything |
| 01:59.07 | Xinhuan | 0,0 means to use equal height and width values automatically to be equal to the text size |
| 01:59.09 | MentalPower | 0 means "default" IIRC |
| 01:59.24 | Xinhuan | i.e if the font size is 14, then 0,0 means 14x14 icon |
| 01:59.28 | MentalPower | also IIRC it takes its size from the sorrounding fontstring's |
| 01:59.34 | MentalPower | Xinhuan beat me to it |
| 01:59.53 | Xinhuan | not exactly true, whether you supply 0, or not even supply a value has different meaning |
| 02:00.17 | Xinhuan | read it here: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 02:00.27 | Xinhuan | under the |TTexturePath:size1:size2:xoffset:yoffset|t section |
| 02:01.08 | mikma | so if i use texture with fontstring, i can use 0 to get it auto-height? |
| 02:01.13 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 02:01.20 | mikma | wooo, testing |
| 02:01.42 | Xinhuan | again see the link i posted |
| 02:01.50 | Xinhuan | explains it very detailed |
| 02:05.25 | kraftman | anyone swedish here? |
| 02:07.19 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_031609_040517.jpg |
| 02:07.25 | mikma | and there's the result :) |
| 02:07.59 | foxlit | halp, mikma is /hack'ing wow! |
| 02:08.11 | kraftman | what are the different windows in the bottom left? |
| 02:08.45 | mikma | kraftman: my chatframes that resize to 1row -> 9 rows when i shift+leftclick the tab |
| 02:09.04 | kraftman | ahh cool |
| 02:09.30 | kraftman | i was gonna say i have some code that change the sizes depending on how active the chatframe is |
| 02:09.35 | kraftman | but i see you have it covered :) |
| 02:09.39 | kraftman | chnges* |
| 02:09.45 | kraftman | changes* >< |
| 02:09.51 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/pvp/WoWScrnShot_012909_150000.jpg |
| 02:10.06 | mikma | there's another example of the chatframes :P |
| 02:10.18 | kraftman | nice :) |
| 02:10.21 | mikma | topframe is party/raid, middleframe is guild, bottomframe is everything else |
| 02:10.58 | Arrowmaster | i still dont see how people can stand that font |
| 02:11.21 | mikma | easy, don't give a rats ass about it :D |
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| 02:12.31 | kraftman | http://www.wegame.com/watch/ChatFrameTest2/ |
| 02:12.44 | bleeter | oO |
| 02:12.45 | bleeter | http://www.gocc.gov/Members/sjwillis/weblog_storage/blog_41059/talkback/1225955270/discussionitem_view |
| 02:12.45 | kraftman | those are mine before i sorted out the spacing |
| 02:12.57 | bleeter | .gov website hacked with Power Levelling/Gold Selling adverts |
| 02:13.12 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: haha. :D |
| 02:13.47 | Arrowmaster | oh god that wegame site is so annoying |
| 02:13.55 | ZorbaBeta | it's nice to know that some things are universal |
| 02:13.58 | kraftman | how come? :S |
| 02:14.07 | Arrowmaster | because of the popups on the corner |
| 02:14.21 | kraftman | never noticed any >< |
| 02:14.24 | Arrowmaster | i dont give a fuck if somebody just uploaded a world of warcraft screenshot |
| 02:14.29 | Gnarfoz | popups? :D |
| 02:14.37 | Arrowmaster | little bubbles |
| 02:14.41 | Gnarfoz | oh, those |
| 02:14.47 | Arrowmaster | using javascript crap |
| 02:14.56 | Arrowmaster | this is why i hate javascript |
| 02:15.15 | Gnarfoz | noscript ftw, but then... without it you won't be seeing videos on the page, either :D |
| 02:15.59 | Arrowmaster | i have noscript, ive apparently allowed that site |
| 02:16.11 | Arrowmaster | since you have to for it to function |
| 02:16.32 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 02:16.55 | Arrowmaster | i mostly only temp allow stuff though |
| 02:17.28 | Gnarfoz | same |
| 02:17.34 | Gnarfoz | also, yay 310% speed mount, wheee |
| 02:18.30 | bleeter | btw |
| 02:18.42 | bleeter | I still love how a 55DK can outrun any other mounted player |
| 02:19.28 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:19.34 | Wobin | early epic riding ftw |
| 02:20.32 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: any other 55 you mean? |
| 02:21.33 | bleeter | no, any |
| 02:21.44 | bleeter | sorry, any 55-59 |
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| 02:21.59 | bleeter | so you can kickass bigtime in AV lolol no one catches you |
| 02:22.04 | bleeter | or any BG for that matter |
| 02:22.51 | ZorbaBeta | the 59 BG bracket must be terrible |
| 02:22.55 | ZorbaBeta | either you play death knight, or you lose |
| 02:23.31 | Wobin | I wonder if you could chain DG the flag runner back to your base =P |
| 02:24.51 | bleeter | ZorbaBeta: pretty much |
| 02:25.02 | mikma | wobin: yea, you can |
| 02:25.24 | bleeter | ZorbaBeta: of course, if they fixed the mount speed enchants they might have a chance to address the 55-59 DK mount imba too... ;) |
| 02:25.51 | bleeter | WTS: [Riding Crop] My mats 100G, good for 2 levels! |
| 02:26.19 | bleeter | WTB: Passive riding skill enhancement |
| 02:26.35 | ZorbaBeta | that's the hilarious thing about the Netherwing races now |
| 02:26.45 | ZorbaBeta | it's virtually impossible for the reward to ever be useful to anyone |
| 02:27.02 | bleeter | pfft you should see the druid flight form speed increase trinket now |
| 02:27.14 | bleeter | used to do to flight form what crops did for mounts |
| 02:27.16 | Arrowmaster | it was perty damn hard to get the reward in the first place without a riding crop |
| 02:27.27 | bleeter | now it's like '141 Mana to cast your flight form' totally useless ;) |
| 02:28.06 | bleeter | which from such an epic quest as the druid flight form is just failol |
| 02:28.25 | kraftman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.32 | kraftman | why did they change it |
| 02:28.40 | bleeter | coz of the mount tab |
| 02:28.57 | bleeter | and equipping/unequipping trinkets in combat (mainly pvp) was impossible |
| 02:29.04 | ZorbaBeta | and I bet they also don't want the druid flight form to be *even more* strictly better than every other flying mount |
| 02:29.18 | kraftman | but it wasnt |
| 02:29.31 | kraftman | it was the same speed as normal mount with crop? |
| 02:29.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it was instant, however |
| 02:29.57 | ZorbaBeta | you can transform instantly, you can mine, herb, and loot in flight form |
| 02:30.01 | NightHawkTheSane | and you can herb/skin/loot in form |
| 02:30.05 | bleeter | people are still hurt over the advantage druids have with noding and going OOC if falling down side of hill from PvP |
| 02:30.08 | ZorbaBeta | you can transform in midair or while moving |
| 02:30.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: not mine, unless they channged that very recently |
| 02:30.14 | Mr_Rabies | <bleeter> used to do to flight form what crops did for mounts |
| 02:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | wait |
| 02:30.17 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't anymore? |
| 02:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | what the hell, when did that happen |
| 02:30.27 | foxlit | 3.0 |
| 02:30.29 | ZorbaBeta | can't mine? odd, I wonder why not |
| 02:30.31 | Wobin | I totally miss flightform in my nondruids |
| 02:30.32 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: welcome to 3.0 Wrath of the Lich King |
| 02:30.38 | Mr_Rabies | i stopped playing like |
| 02:30.41 | Mr_Rabies | last march |
| 02:30.43 | ZorbaBeta | but anyway, yeah, I'm not hugely sympathetic ;) |
| 02:30.52 | Mr_Rabies | so i'm outta the loop :( |
| 02:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: probably to avoid druids ninja-looting mining nodes, they maade a number of changes to prevent people from actually mining |
| 02:31.08 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: you're last year's hero, eh? :P |
| 02:31.21 | ZorbaBeta | but still, you can mine and then instatransform back |
| 02:31.31 | Mr_Rabies | do riding crops work in flight form at least? |
| 02:31.49 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 02:31.50 | bleeter | nah they didn't |
| 02:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | ew |
| 02:31.56 | bleeter | 'coz flight form wasn't a mount |
| 02:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone needs to post in the carbonite thread |
| 02:32.34 | bleeter | which one? |
| 02:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | "THEY ARE WELCOME TO DO WHATEVER THEY PLEASE WITH _THEIR_ ADDON; YOU ARE FREE TO NOT USE IT" |
| 02:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661690616&sid=1 |
| 02:32.42 | bleeter | oh one of thems |
| 02:33.03 | ZorbaBeta | scythe, but making money should be illegal, and if it was illegal then they'd have to distribute their addon for free, and we could all use it forever, don't you understand |
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| 02:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me WoW forum moderation rights for 30 minutes |
| 02:33.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The boards would never look the same |
| 02:33.44 | ZorbaBeta | also goddam, opening an ad on the screen every few minutes? I mean I know they're allowed to, but holy crap that would be annoying |
| 02:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "YOU ARE FREE NOT TO USE IT" imo |
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| 02:35.07 | Wobin | bleeter: actually, there's the Storm Peaks 'bug' with the rental flying mount |
| 02:35.13 | Wobin | although they may have fixed it |
| 02:35.43 | Wobin | as it's apparently a vehicle, not a true fliying mount =P |
| 02:38.19 | kraftman | i think my dog is dying inside |
| 02:38.23 | kraftman | she smells foul |
| 02:41.54 | Wobin | http://paleonews.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/2008-10-12-south-dakota-usa-scoperto-nuovo-plesiosauro-plesiosaur/ |
| 02:42.02 | Wobin | âBasically, this thing came up for air and got a lung full of hot glass shards,â Martin said. âAnd as it started to sink, choking, it got rolled in a giant wave. A tsunami, if you will, that swept across the seaway all the way from the impact crater in Iowa. Pretty much the most catastrophic day you could have.â |
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| 02:52.31 | bleeter | Wobin: stop messing with my putty window's title! :P |
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| 02:53.02 | Wobin | âHow am I doing that?â" |
| 02:53.14 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 02:57.08 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/tyopoydan_taustakuva.jpg.jpg |
| 02:57.23 | Wobin | woah http://dilidoo.com/2009/02/19/the_most_dangerous_mountain_hiking_trailpics.html |
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| 03:00.37 | kraftman | that looks awesome :) |
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| 03:02.04 | Wobin | kraftaway: I'd hate to take a camera on those trails =) |
| 03:09.36 | mikma | i'd love to take YOU on those trails |
| 03:10.16 | Wobin | mikma: You'd need good balance |
| 03:10.21 | Gnarfoz | I'd love to throw YOU from those trails |
| 03:13.21 | mikma | gnarfoz: http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/funny-dog-pictures-talk-idiot.jpg |
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| 03:17.12 | Wobin | hm, badge looting changes |
| 03:17.31 | Wobin | does that mean I could stand in the entrance of the instance and soak up badges? |
| 03:19.23 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd have to be eligable for the loot in the first place |
| 03:19.41 | NightHawkTheSane | eligible* |
| 03:19.51 | NightHawkTheSane | so if you're too far away, you may not be |
| 03:20.09 | Wobin | hm, figured as much |
| 03:20.52 | ZorbaBeta | goddamn wispform is fast now |
| 03:21.02 | ZorbaBeta | are they making badges just autoloot? |
| 03:21.33 | Wobin | as long as someone loots it, everyone gets it |
| 03:21.49 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder if that will decrease or increase the number of missed badges |
| 03:22.14 | Gnarfoz | increase |
| 03:22.16 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 03:22.18 | [draco] | since someone has to loot the mob in order to distribute the items... |
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| 03:22.46 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/celebrity-pictures-hugh-laurie-cat-scan.jpg |
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| 03:28.31 | Jamash | Some bozo uploaded an addon named DevTools to Curse and the Curse updater overwrote my copy of Iriel's DevTools |
| 03:28.48 | Wobin | >< |
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| 03:29.11 | Iriel | Hm, I thought the dev tools on curse was mine, albeit probably an old version |
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| 03:31.24 | mikma | lolo, http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/celebrity-pictures-slash-crap-head1.jpg?w=500&h=689 |
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| 03:44.07 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/celebrity-pictures-donald-trump-trying-run.jpg |
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| 03:47.24 | jamesjr | Hello? |
| 03:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Hai |
| 03:48.11 | jamesjr | Ok, so I have a crush on my best friend...they ask whom i like and i make someone up and then later retract the statement...then a week later they are going out with the person i claimed i liked..your thought process? |
| 03:49.01 | Shirik | sec |
| 03:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | He's a great person for advice |
| 03:49.18 | jamesjr | :) |
| 03:49.49 | jamesjr | im avoiding a 6-page research paper due in 8hrs by coming here :) |
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| 03:52.14 | mikma | jamesjr: sounds like a cool addon. what does it do? |
| 03:52.35 | jamesjr | huh? |
| 03:53.24 | jamesjr | whatcha talking about mikma? |
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| 03:55.36 | mikma | scytheblade1: meanwhile have tekkub tell him what to do |
| 03:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | tekkub lacks the proper.... authority to give the answer I had in mind |
| 03:56.08 | jamesjr | Mikma what were you talking about? |
| 03:56.54 | mikma | addons |
| 03:57.08 | jamesjr | I don't understand but ok. |
| 03:58.34 | mikma | you just joined here and have no idea what addon is? |
| 03:58.47 | jamesjr | I do but do not see how this fits. |
| 03:59.15 | mikma | i dont see the connection either ;) |
| 04:03.03 | Tekkub | mu? |
| 04:03.30 | jamesjr | I do not understand what 'mu' means. |
| 04:04.31 | Tekkub | your kind isn't welcome round nya |
| 04:04.59 | jamesjr | It is not like I am in burning mississippi. I come to what I am familiar with. |
| 04:05.34 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 04:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Read up a few lines :) |
| 04:06.16 | Tekkub | I have no idea what's going on either |
| 04:06.24 | Cairenn | unh |
| 04:06.25 | Tekkub | I was pinged, so I did my thing |
| 04:06.27 | kd3 | lost kd3 is lost |
| 04:06.32 | ScytheBlade1 | HE BE TROLLIN' |
| 04:06.41 | Cairenn | jamesjr: this is a channel for Mod Authors for WoW |
| 04:06.48 | jamesjr | I understand that. |
| 04:06.57 | jamesjr | The advice room never responds though. |
| 04:07.00 | Cairenn | jamesjr: I'm not sure what you are looking for, but this surely doesn't seem to be the place |
| 04:07.18 | Torhal | jamesjr: We're advising you that this isn't the advice channel. |
| 04:07.18 | Cairenn | so, umm, yeah |
| 04:07.40 | jamesjr | Please tell me a room then of normal human beings that respond in a timely manner. |
| 04:07.46 | Tekkub | "You will find hapiness with a new love" |
| 04:07.49 | Cairenn | no idea |
| 04:07.51 | Tekkub | that is all the advice we have |
| 04:07.55 | Torhal | Tekkub: Magic 8-ball! |
| 04:07.59 | Cairenn | but you aren't going to get what you are looking for here |
| 04:08.05 | mikma | ~8ball |
| 04:08.05 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Concentrate and ask again |
| 04:08.05 | jamesjr | I usually do. |
| 04:08.16 | mikma | ~8ball |
| 04:08.17 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Better not tell you now |
| 04:08.20 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.30 | jamesjr | ~8ball |
| 04:08.31 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Outlook good |
| 04:08.36 | jamesjr | yay thank you |
| 04:08.39 | Cairenn | bye |
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| 04:08.50 | mikma | evul |
| 04:08.59 | mikma | 10 points. |
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| 04:09.03 | Torhal | ... |
| 04:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | OHH |
| 04:09.06 | ScytheBlade1 | OP ME |
| 04:09.07 | Torhal | Wow |
| 04:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | OP MEEEEEEEE |
| 04:09.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@68-118-5-053.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] by Cairenn |
| 04:09.20 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [jamesjr!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 04:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 04:09.29 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 04:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/comics/00000250.png |
| 04:17.28 | Wobin | well he obviously didn't know this channel |
| 04:17.29 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 04:17.41 | Wobin | god knows, if I were after relationship advice, I wouldn't ask you lot =P |
| 04:18.39 | Wobin | oh he's in wowace now |
| 04:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | boo he noticed me join |
| 04:19.58 | Wobin | sneaky you are not =P |
| 04:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda hard to be sneaky in IRC when I'm so lazy |
| 04:20.21 | Cairenn | if he's an ass in there, too, I can deal with him if you want |
| 04:20.30 | Cairenn | he PMd me, whining |
| 04:21.01 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!*@68-118-5-053.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com] by Cairenn |
| 04:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | He's also in #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 04:22.07 | Cairenn | he's being given another chance, says he's been in here before for actual wow related stuff, so ... |
| 04:22.14 | Wobin | well, ti's on topic there, I guess |
| 04:22.44 | Cairenn | I mean hell, we do do off topic in here enough, but it's people that are regulars, we know each other |
| 04:23.03 | Cairenn | someone that we don't know from adam suddenly asking about how to fix their love life is just kinda .... |
| 04:23.04 | ScytheBlade1 | If he "acts up" I humbly request to be given temoporary ops, after which I will deop myslef :) |
| 04:23.11 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: heh |
| 04:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | The highlight of my life. Kickbanning people in IRC. |
| 04:24.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd make a comment, but it would totally be a pot/kettle thing |
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| 04:24.55 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: doubt it, since you're a regular :p |
| 04:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: i meant to ScytheBlade1, about the highlight of his life. ;) |
| 04:25.30 | Cairenn | ahhh |
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| 04:38.58 | Shirik | sorry ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 04:41.14 | Shirik | I'm trying to arena with a moron |
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| 04:50.33 | Thunder_Child | wow, sounds like i missed all the fun |
| 04:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really |
| 04:51.56 | Thunder_Child | hmm...wowwiki lists int to mana as 1:15....is that right> |
| 04:52.00 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 04:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
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| 04:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | stam is 1:10, int is 1:15 |
| 04:52.44 | Thunder_Child | so if you had zero in you would still have a base mana? |
| 04:52.49 | Thunder_Child | s/in/int/ |
| 04:52.58 | Hirsute-Home | I think so. |
| 04:53.00 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 04:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 04:53.29 | Thunder_Child | ok, i devided my current mana by 15 and came out confused |
| 04:53.31 | Thunder_Child | thanks all |
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| 05:00.22 | Guest88016 | Fact or myth: |
| 05:00.33 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|AFK] by ChanServ |
| 05:00.35 | Thunder_Child | imyth |
| 05:00.44 | Thunder_Child | myth* |
| 05:00.48 | Shirik|AFK | You have someone on your 3v3 team that's also on a 2v2 team |
| 05:01.02 | Shirik|AFK | your 3v3 team is rated 1450, but he's rated on his 2v2 team at about 1900+ |
| 05:01.10 | Shirik|AFK | You will be matched up against difficult teams, but gain high points |
| 05:03.04 | Shirik|AFK | none of the above? |
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| 05:04.19 | Shirik|AFK | brb |
| 05:08.30 | kd3 | wtf. fighting malygos... my keyboard randomly goes screwy and wine's getting all kinds of bogus key events |
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| 05:19.10 | AnduinLothar | so accoring to my /played and some math... I've averaged 4 hours of wow a day on this character for the past 4+ years |
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| 05:31.50 | Xinhuan | AnduinLothar, an addon called LifePercent can calculate that for you ;p |
| 05:32.06 | AnduinLothar | oh god |
| 05:32.12 | AnduinLothar | i dont want a constant reminder lol |
| 05:36.09 | Torhal | Anyone know how I can get "luac -l" to quit bitching about decimals with "malformed number near ..." |
| 05:36.10 | Torhal | ? |
| 05:36.50 | Wobin | multiply everything by 1000000? |
| 05:38.07 | Torhal | How does that help with: "min = 0.5,"? |
| 05:38.11 | Torhal | Feh. |
| 05:39.08 | Xinhuan | sounds like syntax error |
| 05:39.37 | Torhal | It happens with every decimal in the file. If I change "0.5" to "1/2" it gives the error on the next decimal it encounters. |
| 05:39.51 | Thunder_Child | can you even get Dark Iron Ale w/o the shadowforge key? |
| 05:42.03 | Wobin | maybe? |
| 05:42.13 | Wobin | can you use the "sneak to the forge" method then work your way back? |
| 05:42.35 | Wobin | or would you get stuck in front of the room with the seven dwarfs? |
| 05:42.49 | Thunder_Child | i dont mind killin, i just cant get to the damn bar |
| 05:42.56 | Thunder_Child | i need a map :( |
| 05:42.59 | Wobin | maybe use seaforium |
| 05:43.11 | Wobin | or skeleton key |
| 05:49.37 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:BRDFlowchartMap.jpg |
| 05:51.38 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta, thanks but it seems to require the key :( |
| 05:52.39 | ZorbaBeta | I *think* it's implying that you can get there by going through the ring of law |
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| 05:53.13 | Thunder_Child | it requires to grom from east to west garison, but to do that you have to drop the drawbridge |
| 05:53.21 | Thunder_Child | it's the brown line |
| 05:56.33 | Rabbitbunny | It's not Pi day anymore. |
| 05:58.35 | Rabbitbunny | (someone should change the topic) |
| 06:03.04 | Torhal | Xinhuan: It's a locale problem. Apparently my binaries were compiled to use "1,3" rather than "1.3" |
| 06:04.20 | Xinhuan | heh |
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| 06:07.46 | bleeter | anyone found out yet why US Blizz unbanned casinos and gambling? |
| 06:08.50 | Rabbitbunny | I'm not finding much on google, Could you guys suggest some keywords? I'm trying to put an array into a scroll back that can be sorted by keys. |
| 06:08.58 | Rabbitbunny | s/back/box/ |
| 06:10.05 | Thunder_Child | isnt gambling with fake money legal? |
| 06:10.52 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: eyonix outright banned any and all form of player casinos a few years ago, they've lifted said ban |
| 06:12.22 | bleeter | throw in the 'we won't touch you for paying $$ for a chance on stuff ingame' and it could get mighty ugly |
| 06:13.20 | ZorbaBeta | out of curiosity, I've seen people offering spectral tigers for large sums of gold - is that as sketchy as it sounds, or will blizzard actually save people from a scam in that case? |
| 06:13.38 | bleeter | blizz won't save people if they get scammed for that |
| 06:13.50 | ZorbaBeta | pity, I'd totally pay 10k for a spectral tiger :P |
| 06:13.58 | bleeter | fwiw, the cards themselves (not the code generated from the card) are going for $2.5k on Ebay |
| 06:14.00 | Thunder_Child | thats "your" code |
| 06:14.17 | bleeter | right, so you now have a gold to dollar conversion... $2.5k = 10kg ;) |
| 06:14.34 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, if I paid the 10k and didn't get a tiger out of it |
| 06:14.37 | ZorbaBeta | not the other way around |
| 06:14.50 | bleeter | you'd be down 10kg and blizz wouldn't help |
| 06:15.00 | ZorbaBeta | from what I understand, blizz *will* save people from ingame scams, but I guess this doesn't fall under that |
| 06:15.47 | bleeter | it comes down to how difficult it is to verify what was going to happen... and enchant b ased off a /trade convo is a lot easier to 'police' than something that more than likely involves out of game emails and msgs and the like |
| 06:15.51 | Rabbitbunny | No, because they don't want the ingame economy hooked to the real world. |
| 06:16.16 | bleeter | except the times they run around saying how to actually do that ;) |
| 06:16.46 | Thunder_Child | i have always been curious about that bleeter, what kind of gambling are you talking about? |
| 06:17.12 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, "welcome to dethknight's cas1no! you /roll 1000, and if it's between 1 and 2, I give you twice your money back!" |
| 06:17.40 | Thunder_Child | i assume you have to give your money first? |
| 06:17.47 | ZorbaBeta | yep |
| 06:18.07 | Thunder_Child | seems silly, but i dont know why you would ban it |
| 06:18.07 | ZorbaBeta | usually the odds are better than that, of course :) |
| 06:18.22 | ZorbaBeta | in the days of early WoW, chat channels were absolutely filled with casino spam |
| 06:19.16 | bleeter | and now everyone's becomming aware they pulled the blanket ban, we're seeing multiple daily complaints on US GM forum about it |
| 06:20.29 | bleeter | no just the spam, but most of them were operated as scams, thus it became just easier for Blizz to say 'stop it all' rather than have to deal on case by case |
| 06:20.34 | bleeter | *not just... |
| 06:20.55 | ZorbaBeta | anyone who has to operate a casino as a scam is a failure of a businessman |
| 06:21.16 | bleeter | from a certain point of view, casinos are legalised scam houses |
| 06:21.31 | bleeter | rule 1) house always wins |
| 06:21.34 | bleeter | rule 2) see rule 1 |
| 06:21.55 | bleeter | sure, they'll tell you about their wonderful payouts and people who've become millionaires and the like... still |
| 06:22.47 | ZorbaBeta | grr where are my polar bear reins |
| 06:23.06 | Thunder_Child | any why can you still use food/drink when moving? |
| 06:23.10 | Thunder_Child | s/any/and/ |
| 06:23.17 | Thunder_Child | thats fail |
| 06:23.40 | bleeter | can mages still cast while swimming down? |
| 06:23.55 | bleeter | 'coz my mage engi has lots of lol with that ;) |
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| 06:28.21 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: you asked me about what type of gamling. well here's the thing. no gaming company, non-gambling or gambling, has actually had the balls to test the legitimacy of some of these anti-gambling laws. the idea of gamling or paying for possible access to virtual property which others may perceive to have some form of material value is fraught with issues that's never been tested in court. |
| 06:28.57 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: there were a bunch of aussie casinos and lotteries who ran screaming from the possible issues, and afaik the US ain't legislating soon to try and get precedent tested either |
| 06:30.13 | bleeter | let us assume WoW is one big RNG, the same as any casino albiet for virtual property. thus, in fact, we're 'renting' casino time. what is the value of the prizes? if Blizz say the prizes have 0 value, then what is their intellectual property worth? if it has some value.. then... so on and so forth |
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| 06:31.35 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, not a real casino since it is both virtual and not redeamable for actual currency |
| 06:32.35 | bleeter | gambling service means:  (i) the game is played for money or anything else of value; and (ii) the game is a game of chance or of mixed chance and skill; and  (iii) a customer of the service gives or agrees to give consideration to play or enter the game; |
| 06:32.44 | bleeter | *ANYTHING ELSE OF VALUE* ;) |
| 06:33.11 | Thunder_Child | but define value as digital non-redeamable currency |
| 06:33.16 | selckin | i say you go test it in court and lose |
| 06:34.19 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: well there's the thing... value isn't (generally) defined as it's subjective |
| 06:34.24 | bleeter | well.. can be |
| 06:34.39 | bleeter | selckin: I say no one's had the balls to test it in the past 20 years ;) |
| 06:34.40 | Thunder_Child | as define by gambling laws |
| 06:34.44 | Thunder_Child | defined* |
| 06:35.25 | Thunder_Child | which will prolly have value defined in there |
| 06:35.27 | Rabbitbunny | Where is the default UI? |
| 06:35.41 | Thunder_Child | in the default install |
| 06:36.01 | Rabbitbunny | Right... Where? |
| 06:36.15 | bleeter | buried inside the .mpq's. you need the interface toolkit to extract it. |
| 06:36.28 | Rabbitbunny | Oh. |
| 06:36.29 | Thunder_Child | ~toolkit |
| 06:36.41 | bleeter | pretty sure that's linked in the UI Macro forum stickies |
| 06:36.42 | bleeter | ~wowuitoolkit |
| 06:36.50 | Rabbitbunny | I'll just find it online. |
| 06:36.50 | Thunder_Child | ~wowui |
| 06:37.01 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: we both fail haha :( |
| 06:37.06 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 06:37.10 | Thunder_Child | and i made it once |
| 06:37.41 | bleeter | if you just made ~toolkit, might've been removed for being too generic a keyword |
| 06:37.51 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 06:38.17 | Thunder_Child | ~wowuiaddonkit |
| 06:38.22 | Thunder_Child | ~addonkit |
| 06:38.22 | purl | Located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 06:38.24 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 06:38.25 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 06:38.25 | Thunder_Child | weee |
| 06:38.31 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 06:39.21 | Torhal | local Win = CreateFrame("Button", "Thunder_Child", UIParent) |
| 06:39.28 | Rabbitbunny | there it is! wowcompares |
| 06:40.20 | Thunder_Child | boo, wowcompares is lag central |
| 06:41.00 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/master |
| 06:41.22 | Rabbitbunny | I'm pulling al the kb's. |
| 06:53.29 | AnduinLothar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezvwARhBIc |
| 06:54.57 | bleeter | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Aegwynn&n=Zoltan |
| 06:55.10 | Thunder_Child | what AnduinLothar, you have never seen UHF? |
| 06:55.21 | AnduinLothar | i have and i love it |
| 06:55.26 | AnduinLothar | i just thought i'd share |
| 06:55.34 | AnduinLothar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezvwARhBIc too |
| 07:02.19 | Rabbitbunny | Okay, I'm getting some weird results. |
| 07:03.00 | Rabbitbunny | Some times my onInit() doesn't set startmoney to GetMoney(). |
| 07:03.25 | Rabbitbunny | I can run the func manually and it works perfectly. |
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| 07:20.57 | Rabbitbunny | heh, called it from the wrong event. |
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| 08:24.09 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 08:24.10 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 08:24.11 | Thunder_Child | ~yell |
| 08:24.12 | purl | AAAAAAAAAAAARG! |
| 08:24.13 | Thunder_Child | ~shout |
| 08:24.14 | purl | ACTION screams NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOoooooOOOOooo!!!1!!11!!! |
| 08:24.20 | Thunder_Child | ~spasm |
| 08:25.46 | Thunder_Child | ~splay |
| 08:25.47 | purl | MPEG-1/2 layer 1,2,3 and wave file player.. URL: http://synergy.kaist.ac.kr/~jwj/ |
| 08:26.15 | Thunder_Child | ~sweet |
| 08:26.16 | purl | well, sweet is a great girl? |
| 08:26.22 | Thunder_Child | ~shmuck |
| 08:26.23 | purl | Not me, you! |
| 08:26.33 | zenzio | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 08:26.34 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 08:30.12 | Thunder_Child | ~mute zenzelezz |
| 08:30.13 | purl | ACTION superglues zenzelezz's lips together |
| 08:30.51 | zenzio | oh nose |
| 08:35.28 | nevcairiel | now your home-self cannot talk anymore |
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| 08:36.12 | zenzio | I never speak at home anyway, I just type |
| 08:36.15 | zenzio | so you're no better off |
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| 08:43.19 | Thunder_Child | ~swat zenzio |
| 08:43.20 | purl | ACTION swats zenzio with a zenzio swatter |
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| 09:02.11 | Rabbitbunny | Is there a way to delete all my variables, asif I had just started playing? |
| 09:02.46 | Torhal | Rabbitbunny: All the variables in a certain addon, or in all? |
| 09:03.16 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 09:03.48 | Thunder_Child | saved vars are in the WDB folder |
| 09:04.01 | Thunder_Child | s/WDB/WTF/ |
| 09:05.18 | Rabbitbunny | o0o0o |
| 09:05.20 | Rabbitbunny | Thanks. |
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| 09:58.33 | Rabbitbunny | What's it called when you don't have TBC or WotLK? |
| 09:58.57 | selckin | cheap |
| 09:59.04 | Rabbitbunny | And, Will the addon work for those? |
| 09:59.43 | Rabbitbunny | Well, yes. I don't keep an account anymore but the emails asking for updates won't stop. Trial accounts are free. |
| 10:01.43 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 10:02.35 | Arrowmaster | whats the addon that you would actually be able to fix it with just a trial account? |
| 10:02.59 | Rabbitbunny | It tracks gold per zone/session. |
| 10:03.18 | Arrowmaster | theres tons of those |
| 10:03.43 | Arrowmaster | like so many i cant name them |
| 10:03.50 | Rabbitbunny | So? |
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| 11:14.17 | Wobin | Vanilla |
| 11:15.19 | foxlit | chili! |
| 11:24.47 | Cairenn|afk | maple |
| 11:53.37 | Kalroth | syrup |
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| 12:11.57 | Rabbitbunny | You guys happen to have written a script to tear apart saved variable files? |
| 12:13.49 | kraftaway | tear apart? |
| 12:15.05 | Rabbitbunny | arrange propery for insertion into a database. |
| 12:15.14 | Rabbitbunny | +l |
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| 12:16.36 | Lunessa | station |
| 12:37.33 | Adys | Kalroth: your syrup > everyone else's |
| 12:46.11 | Kaso | Rabbit there are parsers out there to parse a lua table into mysql iirc |
| 12:46.26 | Kaso | hell its not that hard to write one up quickly yourself with stand alone lua |
| 12:49.06 | Rabbitbunny | reinventing the whell ;) |
| 12:57.00 | Lunessa | The wheel was made to be reinvented. |
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| 13:57.52 | Adys | Someone reminds me how you leave an arena team |
| 13:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:58.31 | Lunessa | Adys - I think you do it from the PVP stats frame. But I never arena... |
| 13:58.44 | Adys | dont see anything in the pvp frame |
| 13:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | It's a slash command, like /gquit . |
| 13:59.23 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.26 | Adys | thanks google |
| 13:59.44 | Lopeppeppy | Players can use the /teamquit or /teamdisband command in order to leave an Arena team. Example: /teamquit 2v2 |
| 13:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks Blizz site on a search for quit arena. |
| 14:00.10 | Adys | google > site search |
| 14:00.35 | Lopeppeppy | Be thankful anyone bothered to try, rather than dissing how I did it? |
| 14:00.42 | Adys | :( |
| 14:00.54 | Adys | google was still faster |
| 14:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* Way to be the Monday Morning Moo. |
| 14:05.44 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: what can you expect, he's an arena player. They're all tards |
| 14:05.59 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: That's on par with "type /afk target" to flag people for afk in BG =) |
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| 14:07.14 | Adys | wth |
| 14:07.27 | Adys | not in a good mood today are we |
| 14:08.30 | Mikk | you can tell that from how i log on? oO |
| 14:08.56 | Adys | yeah ! |
| 14:09.05 | Adys | Mikk: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Requests_for_adminship#Nominations |
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| 14:11.27 | Lopeppeppy | Takes mine 4 minutes and 38 seconds in the morning. Not that I've *timed* it or anything.... |
| 14:11.43 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: some people don't even last that long |
| 14:12.44 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* Tell me about it. |
| 14:13.11 | zenzio | I thought I just did... |
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| 14:13.29 | mikma | hah |
| 14:13.43 | mikma | i wonder would "agricola" be a good name for farming addon ;) |
| 14:13.47 | mikma | http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text=farmer&from=ltt&to=eng |
| 14:13.58 | Mikk | Adys: sorry, i can't really have opinions on those people. my wikiing is a back burner thing and i mostly fiddle with API stuff these days. |
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| 14:16.24 | Mikk | As for my personal opinion on adminship in general.... yes, to some extent it's "only more tools", but some sort of neutrality and capability to entertain thoughts that you do not readily agree with is a Good Thing - new people will easily take an admin's words as The Will Of The Wiki |
| 14:18.17 | Adys | Mikk: its mostly about fandy being a jerk nowadays |
| 14:18.32 | Adys | and hes the only one with enough power to actually make us care about it |
| 14:19.27 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting to see that an IRC presence seems to be "required" for a Wiki admin post. |
| 14:19.49 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: of course it is. They can't complain on the wiki, he'd just admin it away! |
| 14:20.01 | Mikk | If most admin discussions happen on IRC, that would seem to be a wise choice |
| 14:20.12 | Mikk | Adys: fandy gone jerk? oO |
| 14:20.38 | Lopeppeppy | Why are they not conducted on... oh, say, the wiki? Just seems silly that someone has to be available 24/7 through IRC for a *volunteer* position. |
| 14:20.52 | Adys | Mikk: hes constantly unblocking rolandius |
| 14:21.00 | Adys | putting up shitty reasons |
| 14:21.05 | Adys | i sent many other admins a maila bout it |
| 14:21.24 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: its not required |
| 14:21.33 | Adys | but as sysadmin it pretty much is |
| 14:21.38 | amro | Lopeppeppy: it helps a *lot* for discussions |
| 14:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | .... Those two statements do not compute. :) |
| 14:22.10 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: sysops (regular admins) are just here to block vandals, do stuff normal users cant do |
| 14:22.23 | Adys | but if you're going for sysadmin/bureaucrat/however you want to call it position its required yes |
| 14:22.35 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, don't do it. I like you sane. |
| 14:22.36 | Adys | a lot of problems came up because fandy is never on irc |
| 14:25.51 | Mikk | So what you're saying is basically that you want another bureaucrat for final words |
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| 14:26.00 | Adys | yeah |
| 14:26.07 | Adys | kirk is never here |
| 14:27.56 | Mikk | ugh yeah he's making a lot of questionable edits isn't he... rolandius i mean |
| 14:28.31 | Mikk | like reclassifying umpteen mountain giants as hill giants |
| 14:29.17 | Mikk | "Hill giants are a type of giant living in the hills of the Emerald Dream. " hmmmmm |
| 14:29.38 | Mikk | yes, therefore mobs using the mob model "hillgiant" MUST be hill giants !!!!11 |
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| 14:29.49 | Adys | hes causing trouble |
| 14:29.52 | Adys | its not his edits specially |
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| 14:30.19 | Adys | he created a lot of flamewars etc |
| 14:30.28 | Adys | and had like 10 warnings |
| 14:30.42 | Legorol | ~wowprogramming |
| 14:30.43 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 14:30.56 | zenzio | this is what you get for making the wikia bureaucracy. You should've made it a theocracy or some totalitarian system from the start |
| 14:31.35 | zenzio | *the wiki a... |
| 14:31.42 | Legorol | cool, when was IsInInstance() introduced? it's an awesome funciton |
| 14:31.46 | Legorol | didn't know about it now.. |
| 14:31.51 | nevcairiel | Its really old |
| 14:32.10 | Legorol | well, it can at best be TBC old |
| 14:32.17 | Legorol | but still, it's nice |
| 14:33.02 | nevcairiel | It was in the initial 2.0 release, i consider that really old. its like over 2 years now =P |
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| 14:36.31 | Mikk | zenzio: "you"? do you even know who the admins were back when it started? =) |
| 14:36.37 | Mikk | it's changed a _LOT_ since then! |
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| 14:57.24 | Maldivia | hmm, clever - exploiting tradeskills to do combat-sensitive macro decisions... |
| 14:59.34 | Maldivia | hadn't heard of that one before :) |
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| 15:01.23 | Adys | O_o |
| 15:02.13 | Maldivia | O_o |
| 15:02.20 | Maldivia | o_O |
| 15:02.27 | Maldivia | :) |
| 15:15.22 | Lunessa | When I think of Heaven, When I think of heaven - Deliver me in a black-winged bird |
| 15:18.18 | Esamynn | nevcairiel: so what, stuff from pre-TBC is prehistoric? :P |
| 15:18.33 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 15:18.50 | nevcairiel | There isnt much left from that time :D |
| 15:19.02 | Esamynn | sure there is |
| 15:19.56 | Esamynn | they haven't actually *removed* all that much |
| 15:22.21 | mikma | so, name for farming addon... Nihao, Betsy, .. ? |
| 15:22.42 | amro | mikma: Fhqwz |
| 15:22.45 | mikma | <0118> <Wobin> nongren |
| 15:22.45 | mikma | <0119> <Wobin> chinese for "farmer" =P |
| 15:22.54 | mikma | <0117> <@Tekkub> FarmerSaldean |
| 15:23.01 | amro | Tyr's Hand? |
| 15:23.03 | amro | old school |
| 15:23.09 | Esamynn | lol |
| 15:23.09 | Wobin | I like MacDonald |
| 15:23.22 | mikma | <0117> <Wobin> or OldMacDonald |
| 15:23.48 | mikma | i also was thinking about the Agricola name |
| 15:23.53 | mikma | latin for farmer |
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| 15:30.18 | mikma | the thing is, if i name it MacDonald (which is funny) people will call it McDonald :D |
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| 15:35.08 | mikma | wobin: Nongren won |
| 15:35.22 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:35.37 | mikma | ## Notes: Ni hao! Gathers information about your farming trip |
| 15:36.48 | Lunessa | *chuckles* |
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| 15:43.32 | mikma | so i wanna enter a line in GameTooltip .. something that'll SetWidth automatically to whatever the width of the tooltip is. Anyone seen something like that in any addon? |
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| 15:47.41 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I just saw the thread you were talking about. You're right, clever though clumsy. And an exploit. |
| 15:50.46 | Maldivia | Lunessa: yeah - never thought about using trade skills in that way |
| 15:51.11 | Maldivia | Lunessa: not that I would anyway |
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| 15:51.37 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Me either, but I've seen variations of it before. Seems some people REALLY want to automate their arena play for UBER-WIN PERCENT! |
| 15:54.09 | Maldivia | Lunessa: yeah ok, a macro like that might move people from the 1600 to 1700 bracket... |
| 15:54.26 | Lunessa | I guess I forgot my </sarcasm> tag. |
| 15:54.50 | Lunessa | And the constant poping of my First Aid trade window would make me insane. |
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| 15:55.44 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 15:56.19 | Lunessa | I guess "L2NotSpamButtonsN00b" is too hard for them. |
| 15:56.46 | foxlit | Personally, I'm waiting for completely automated arena teams. |
| 15:57.21 | foxlit | "The world champions, <Sapped Cows Can't Say Moo>, versus this plain gray windows box. Who'll win?" |
| 15:57.32 | Lunessa | Oh, there's a guy out there now, scrubbing it up in the 1600s working diligently on his macros. |
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| 16:01.13 | Lunessa | Not that I can really rag on anyone for low arena ratings. I have a 0. |
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| 16:02.26 | foxlit | Hey, that's a perfect 1500 |
| 16:02.32 | foxlit | [me too.] |
| 16:05.43 | Lunessa | <--- Non-PvP. I suck at it. I BG only for the achievements. |
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| 16:36.22 | kneeki | http://kotaku.com/5170411/blizzard-commemorate-world-of-warcraft-with-12+foot-statue |
| 16:38.27 | Lunessa | They could put that up in front of my place. |
| 16:38.35 | kneeki | For sure |
| 16:39.46 | Lopeppeppy | Great to scare off the birds with. |
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| 16:46.08 | cog|work | rawr |
| 16:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 16:48.05 | alestane | Rawr.! |
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| 16:50.20 | Shirik | rawr |
| 16:51.29 | AnduinLothar | owned... |
| 16:51.31 | AnduinLothar | "With the recent changes to Divine Plea, essentially making it 100% uptime on Prot Paladins, this has inadvertently (I believe) nerfed several healing abilities. Basically, any reactive heal is reduced by 50%. This includes Earth Shield, Judgment of Light procs, the feral heal aura crit proc, prayer of mending, lifebloom (the bloom), health pots, health stones, bandages, and Lay on Hands. " |
| 16:52.07 | AnduinLothar | infinite mana, and 50% self healing... gg at changing core game mechanics |
| 16:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 16:53.06 | Lopeppeppy | Since all those show as the pally healing itself, they are chopped in half! So if you use it, be prepared to die as your raid healers toss you what they think is enough, only for you to go splat. |
| 16:55.22 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, I have to go be meetinged. |
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| 16:59.39 | cog|work | O.o |
| 16:59.57 | cog|work | why does virtual PC crash when creating a new virtual machine if firefox is open? |
| 17:00.01 | cog|work | o.O |
| 17:00.56 | zenzelezz | does it affect Firefox? |
| 17:04.10 | cog|work | nope |
| 17:04.21 | cog|work | and it's not running the vm that crashes |
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| 17:04.29 | cog|work | it's the wizard for creating new vms |
| 17:05.09 | zenzelezz | well there's your problem |
| 17:05.20 | zenzelezz | do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger |
| 17:05.30 | Shirik | cog|work: Microsoft intentionally breaks their product in the presence of competition |
| 17:05.35 | Shirik | why do you think MSDN only works on IE |
| 17:06.00 | cog|work | MSDN works fine on fx for me :P |
| 17:06.08 | zenzelezz | what part of MSDN? |
| 17:06.09 | Shirik | really? |
| 17:06.16 | cog|work | subscriber downloads... |
| 17:06.18 | Shirik | zenzelezz: subscriber downloads |
| 17:07.06 | cog|work | maybe it's because i used ie the first time which installed the dl manager |
| 17:07.33 | Shirik | hm, maybe |
| 17:08.44 | Shirik | ok seriously |
| 17:08.49 | Shirik | why have I found EVERY player EXCEPT cog|work |
| 17:09.10 | Shirik | I'm starting to think cog|work doesn't actually have a home |
| 17:09.15 | cog|work | <.< |
| 17:09.16 | cog|work | >.> |
| 17:09.38 | zenzelezz | cog's in ur base, destroying ur sheeps |
| 17:09.49 | Shirik | oh he already destroyed the sheeps and put wolves instead |
| 17:09.52 | cog|work | no, steilin ur colonists |
| 17:09.57 | cog|work | stealin* |
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| 17:40.41 | Lunessa | cog|work is in ur base setting u up teh bomb. U hav no chance to succeed. |
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| 17:44.58 | cog|work | Liquidity: When you look at your investments and wet your pants |
| 17:45.07 | ccox | lol |
| 17:46.14 | PProvost | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21152 |
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| 17:57.09 | Maldivia | cog|work: considered VirtualBox instead ? :) |
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| 17:58.19 | Joontje | Can anyone here answer a question about the addon Aloft for me :)? |
| 17:59.29 | Kirov | Ask |
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| 17:59.55 | Joontje | i guess ill just ask the question and hope for someone to see it, Aloft has an option to show friendly nameplates wich will show all nameplates of every friendly unit around you. tho i only want it to show on the person im targeting |
| 18:00.13 | Joontje | so far ive digged trough all the options and modules but i cant seem to find a way to do that |
| 18:00.21 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds more like a focus or unit frame than Aloft. |
| 18:00.47 | Joontje | Nah i just want a nameplate instead of some ugly text when i target someone |
| 18:00.59 | Joontje | but now everyone has nameplates, even the ones im not targeting :p |
| 18:01.47 | Kirov | Joontje - It would be possible, but like Lopeppeppy said, it's more of what a unit frame addon would do vs. Aloft. |
| 18:02.05 | Kirov | And a unit frame doesn't neccessarily need to be anything more than a name. |
| 18:02.06 | Joontje | mm, the thing is, a focus frame doesnt move |
| 18:02.09 | Joontje | nameplates do |
| 18:02.28 | Joontje | its stuck to the character ur targeting sorta |
| 18:02.52 | Kirov | The best that can be done is that all the other nameplate frames could have their opacity set to 0. |
| 18:03.01 | Joontje | good point :O |
| 18:03.04 | Joontje | lemme check if i can |
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| 18:04.21 | Kirov | Note that if you have a large number of people on screen in the same location, that nameplate is going to jump around just like it does now, and clicking on other parts of the screen where those other nameplates exists is still going to select those nameplates (which might not be who visually is under your mouse) |
| 18:05.01 | Lopeppeppy | Very true. Opacity = 0 does not mean that the nameplates aren't there, and you will wind up misclicking, I'm sure. |
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| 18:07.14 | Joontje | mm |
| 18:07.18 | Joontje | plus i cant find it either |
| 18:07.20 | Lunessa | Nameplates would be cool... if they didn't jostle all over and jumble up. |
| 18:07.32 | Lunessa | But they do, so I don't use them much. |
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| 18:08.02 | durcyn | i find them useful when tanking to see threat/target etc in tooltips, that's about it |
| 18:08.06 | Joontje | i like it for enemies, but friendly targets are so annoying tho i do want it to look good when im targeting an ally |
| 18:08.27 | Joontje | just the rest there should be nothing there |
| 18:08.51 | Kirov | Before the 2.0 lock down, there were addons that re-sorted the nameplates to not suck as much. |
| 18:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | But locked is locked, and there we are. |
| 18:10.12 | Joontje | mm maybe i should suggest this to the person that made the addon |
| 18:10.19 | Lopeppeppy | Aloft can't do what the game doesn't allow, but do suggest it. |
| 18:12.26 | Joontje | i know i know, but the game does allow you to turn off names above people and when you select a person you will only see the text over him but noone else |
| 18:12.34 | Joontje | so doesnt seem entirely impossible |
| 18:12.51 | Lopeppeppy | Nameplate does not equal unit frame, just keep that in mind. |
| 18:14.13 | Joontje | uhu, i dont mean an unit frame, you know when you see peoples names over their heads when they walk around n sutch |
| 18:14.42 | Lopeppeppy | You keep mixing and matching them, just pointing out that they aren't the same, and might not have the same options available to them. |
| 18:14.50 | Joontje | you can disable that and it will only display the name above someone ur actually targeting in the same style |
| 18:15.27 | Joontje | nah just making sure we dont have miscommunications :p |
| 18:15.38 | durcyn | nameplates != names/titles |
| 18:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, durcyn. |
| 18:16.13 | Lopeppeppy | In the end, Joontje, post your suggestion to the Aloft author, and if it's possible, he/she may consider adding it as a function. If, may. |
| 18:16.29 | Joontje | :) |
| 18:16.48 | Joontje | will do thanks |
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| 18:17.26 | durcyn | based on my recollection from reading the aloft code, i don't believe we have any control over which plates are displayed other than hostile/friendly/both. once they're up, they can be modified a bit, but i don't recall any way to selectively toggle individual nameplates |
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| 18:17.40 | durcyn | the whole thing is in dire need of a rewrite |
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| 18:18.28 | Joontje | mm but it can distinguish targeted and non targeted players no ? |
| 18:18.48 | Joontje | i mean when i target someone, the frame lits up and the others fade away a bit more |
| 18:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't mean that it can isolate that frame, Joontje. |
| 18:19.41 | Joontje | mm |
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| 18:19.51 | Joontje | point taken :p |
| 18:21.41 | Kirov | More specifically, Aloft makes no outward distinction between one nameplate and another. |
| 18:21.49 | Kirov | The game itself does all the work. |
| 18:21.59 | PProvost | Nameplate addons are ultimately a hack. It is not really a supported extension point. The code for them isn't in FrameXML but rather exists in the underlying C++ code. But since it uses the Wow Widget API we can hack into it by enumerating all the frames in the game and finding ones that match a certain condition. Controlling which ones are "on" or "off" is beyond our control, except MAYBE... |
| 18:22.01 | PProvost | ...with opacity as stated above. |
| 18:23.09 | Kirov | Nameplates are basic frames, they do not capture the mouse. |
| 18:23.26 | Kirov | The World Frame itself is what is clicked. |
| 18:23.45 | PProvost | They are frames, but there is no API for them specifically. We discover them by looking for a pattern in the GetRegions() results |
| 18:24.00 | Joontje | PProvost, what ur saying is its either all of em on or none at all |
| 18:24.10 | PProvost | I'm saying they will all be created or none of them |
| 18:24.17 | PProvost | You MIGHT be able to make some of them not appear |
| 18:24.21 | PProvost | Maybe |
| 18:24.26 | PProvost | With opacity |
| 18:24.31 | Joontje | yeah, i just cant find the opacity option |
| 18:24.35 | PProvost | But it also might get ugly and require a lot of OnUpdate code |
| 18:24.42 | PProvost | Option? |
| 18:24.46 | PProvost | They are frames |
| 18:24.53 | PProvost | frame:SetAlpha() |
| 18:25.10 | PProvost | But when? And how do you find em? It could get expensive to do |
| 18:25.21 | Kirov | Joontje - we have a lot of control over unit frames, which is why we use them in these situations. Blizzard does't really want players to know where units are on you screen beyond the interface they already provide (circles on the ground, highlighted name) |
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| 18:27.56 | Joontje | myeh, i just thought as the game is able to do it trough the interface options maybe the addon could too. but then again WoW itself is allowed to do alot more |
| 18:29.23 | PProvost | Joontje: Even things like determining the UnitID for the nameplate frame can be unreliable. |
| 18:29.34 | PProvost | There are no in-game options to do this. |
| 18:29.41 | PProvost | Would require extensive hacking to work out |
| 18:29.51 | Joontje | i suppose yeah |
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| 18:30.17 | PProvost | I'm not saying not to do it... just that it is more than a simple chekcbox. :) |
| 18:30.31 | Joontje | yeah i understand :) |
| 18:31.28 | Joontje | just wanted it to look neat you know XD |
| 18:31.54 | Joontje | apart from changing the font you cant do much to playernames right ? |
| 18:32.03 | PProvost | As many said before, I just do Nameplates on enemies. In fact, I only display them in combat and disble them again out of combat. |
| 18:32.14 | PProvost | Joontje: You can with code. |
| 18:34.42 | Joontje | mm, as in change color, add a border ? |
| 18:47.23 | PProvost | Aloft is a bit cryptic to understand, but essentially you enumerate every frame in Wow, checking the result of GetRegions() |
| 18:47.35 | PProvost | If it comes back with a certain pattern, you assume it is a Nameplate frame |
| 18:47.57 | PProvost | Then you can do things like GetChildren() etc to find the health and mana StatusBar frames |
| 18:48.02 | PProvost | And you can ask them questions |
| 18:48.03 | PProvost | And hook them |
| 18:48.06 | PProvost | And change them |
| 18:49.07 | Shirik | how many shots could a huntard shot if a huntard could shot shots |
| 18:49.52 | PProvost | But there isn't a proper SecureActionButon type frame that you can manipulate |
| 18:50.00 | PProvost | So there is no UnitId, nor any of the rest of it |
| 18:50.11 | PProvost | You simply hack into FontStrings and StatusBar frames |
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| 18:51.50 | durcyn | probably accidentally the whole shot, Shirik, if we're following memes |
| 18:58.23 | Joontje | got a pretty basic question, its just plain stupidity (i forgot how to) how do i limit the amount of bars i can scroll trough with shift + scroll or shift + page up/down |
| 18:59.24 | foxlit | You can't scroll through bars that are displayed elsewhere |
| 18:59.49 | Joontje | ah thanks |
| 19:01.47 | Joontje | foxlit, thats not it |
| 19:02.12 | foxlit | Oh? I thought that's how it worked with shift+up/shift+down |
| 19:02.27 | foxlit | shift+# is just a keybinding, of course. |
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| 19:02.43 | Joontje | yeah |
| 19:03.21 | Joontje | im used to scrolling trough bars, but ive lost the settings, now it scrolls trough all bars instead of just bar 1 and 5 |
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| 19:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | Excuse moi? |
| 19:17.47 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
| 19:17.59 | Shirik | well, we were all taking things :/ |
| 19:18.02 | Lopeppeppy | Unless we're going out for ice cream, I could really fancy some ice cream! |
| 19:18.21 | Shirik | sounds good |
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| 20:12.12 | Lunessa | station |
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| 20:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome back, Lunessa? |
| 20:15.50 | Lunessa | Yes. Long meeting was long. |
| 20:17.15 | Thunder_Child | oh lol "Death Knights are too good in 3.0.9. We think they are in a better place in 3.1." |
| 20:18.12 | Industrial | distracted!, Lunessa; make your escape! |
| 20:18.15 | foxlit | That's not how you do it :/ |
| 20:18.25 | foxlit | You show it to him while he's crossing the street, dammit! |
| 20:18.26 | Thunder_Child | dont bring out the xkcd pic |
| 20:18.46 | Lunessa | I figure Shirik will be busy for at least a week. |
| 20:19.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik already said he tried it |
| 20:19.14 | Shirik | I still want to simulate that |
| 20:19.20 | Shirik | I need to write a MultiSim macro to do it |
| 20:20.19 | Lunessa | Ok, all I want to know is which of you micks will be raising a glass to St. Paddy with me tomorrow. |
| 20:22.01 | alestane | I know there's boiled dinner in the works. |
| 20:22.09 | alestane | And I will probably have to at least put back a Bailey's on the rocks. |
| 20:22.22 | Lopeppeppy | I have beer, and I'm not afraid to use it. |
| 20:22.49 | Thunder_Child | i wont be |
| 20:23.08 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: is it green? |
| 20:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | It will be, durcyn. |
| 20:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | Tomorrow night at least |
| 20:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: know what you just did to Shirik? http://xkcd.com/356/ |
| 20:23.59 | Lunessa | Mmmmm... Green Beer. |
| 20:24.10 | Lunessa | SBO - Yes, exactly. |
| 20:25.45 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, "13:18.29 Thunder_Child: dont bring out the xkcd pic" |
| 20:26.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: too bad |
| 20:26.15 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
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| 20:27.14 | alestane | http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp03182002.shtml |
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| 20:28.44 | selckin | learn to write in a readable font |
| 20:29.37 | Hirsute-Home | That xkcd is *full* of win |
| 20:29.48 | Lunessa | Haha. Randy is teh funneh |
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| 20:44.30 | Thunder_Child | ~yawn |
| 20:44.31 | purl | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
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| 20:52.40 | Hirsute-Home | Probably a stupid question... will the following work like I hope it will: function foo(...) local bar,baz = ...:lower() <more stuff> end |
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| 20:54.51 | Tem|work | Hirsute-Home: I doubt that very much |
| 20:55.03 | Hirsute-Home | curse. |
| 20:55.09 | Tem|work | well, it certainly won't apply lower to every arg |
| 20:55.15 | Tem|work | it MIGHT apply it to the first |
| 20:55.17 | Tem|work | but I doubt it |
| 20:55.21 | Hirsute-Home | It would be so much shorter than doing them each individually. |
| 20:55.23 | Tem|work | (and the rest would be lost) |
| 20:55.30 | Hirsute-Home | Oh well, I guess I'll stop being lazy. |
| 20:55.32 | Tem|work | use a mapcar like function |
| 20:56.58 | Tem|work | function map(f,...) local n = select("#",...) if n>0 then return f((...)),map(f,select(2,...)) else return end end |
| 20:57.22 | Tem|work | lua> function map(f,...) local n = select("#",...) if n>0 then return f((...)),map(f,select(2,...)) else return end end map (string.lower,"A","B","C") |
| 20:57.22 | lua_bot | Tem|work: No output |
| 20:57.36 | Tem|work | lua> function map(f,...) local n = select("#",...) if n>0 then return f((...)),map(f,select(2,...)) else return end end map(print,map (string.lower,"A","B","C")) |
| 20:57.37 | lua_bot | Tem|work: a, b, c |
| 20:57.51 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* If murphy was a god i would be his prohpet. |
| 20:58.02 | Thunder_Child | prophet* |
| 20:59.05 | foxlit | lua> function map(f, a, ...) if not a then return; end return f(a), map(f, ...); end print(map(string.lower, "A", "B", C")); |
| 20:59.05 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 20:59.29 | Tem|work | foxlit: I like the more prolog approach. well done |
| 20:59.45 | alestane | lua> function map (f, a, ...) if ... then return f(a), map(f, ...) else return f(a) end return map(string.lower, "A", "B', "C") |
| 20:59.45 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'C' |
| 20:59.50 | foxlit | lua> function map(f, a, ...) if not a then return; end return f(a), map(f, ...); end print(map(string.lower, "A", "B", "C")); |
| 20:59.50 | lua_bot | foxlit: a, b, c |
| 20:59.56 | alestane | lua> function map (f, a, ...) if ... then return f(a), map(f, ...) else return f(a) end return map(string.lower, "A", "B", "C") |
| 20:59.56 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 21:00.02 | alestane | Ah. |
| 21:00.41 | Tem|work | having said that though, (not a) isn't enough to say that the rest of the arglist is empty |
| 21:01.18 | Tem|work | map(whatever, nil, nil, "a", "b") |
| 21:01.25 | foxlit | Meh |
| 21:01.28 | Tem|work | agreed |
| 21:01.33 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: There is but one God, and Murphy is his prophet. You're just another sucker on the receiving end of his blessings. |
| 21:01.35 | foxlit | lower(nil) will throw an error and you won't get any further anyway |
| 21:01.57 | Tem|work | true, but that's not map's to decide |
| 21:02.04 | Tem|work | it doesn't care what the args are |
| 21:02.12 | jnwhiteh | PTR isn't down for good... right? :P |
| 21:02.13 | Tem|work | embedded nils will break it in your implementation. they will not in mine |
| 21:02.19 | Tem|work | jnwhiteh: unlikely |
| 21:02.26 | jnwhiteh | cuz I need it now |
| 21:02.47 | Tem|work | "there are more DK changes particularly for dps DKs coming..." -- recent comment from GC |
| 21:03.08 | Tem|work | not to mention the fact that they PTRs rarely go down more than a week before the patch goes live |
| 21:03.17 | Tem|work | and we JUST got a ptr build last week |
| 21:03.24 | Maldivia | hmm, *grumble* skybox bug still exists on the PTR |
| 21:03.28 | Thunder_Child | nope Lunessa, i have a statistical probibility of rolling a 1 1in3 times on a d20 |
| 21:03.42 | durcyn | there's shecduled ulduar boss testing for tonight at least, i wouldn't expect it to go away any time soon |
| 21:03.43 | Thunder_Child | i am much higer on murphys totem pole than most of the pop |
| 21:03.46 | Hirsute-Home | Wait... how do you figure that? |
| 21:04.12 | jnwhiteh | I'm just using parentKey for this addon |
| 21:04.17 | Tem|work | patches don't really go live until at least a week or two of a stable ptr with no patches |
| 21:04.20 | Tem|work | jnwhiteh: lawl |
| 21:04.33 | Hirsute-Home | (my how do you figure that was the 1 in 3 probability of rolling a 1 on a d20 |
| 21:04.35 | Hirsute-Home | ) |
| 21:04.37 | jnwhiteh | guess i'll throw names back in |
| 21:04.38 | Tem|work | Hirsute-Home: murphey's law, obviously |
| 21:04.42 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 21:04.43 | jnwhiteh | be back |
| 21:04.44 | foxlit | teehee, *stable* patches |
| 21:04.45 | jnwhiteh | later |
| 21:04.55 | Hirsute-Home | Heh |
| 21:04.55 | Maldivia | Tem: personally, I wouldn't expect 3.1 on live till mid-end April (earliest) |
| 21:04.56 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute-Home, becuase thats what i bloody well roll |
| 21:05.12 | Tem|work | foxlit: honestly, I hope an unstable one goes up with frequent world server crashes the first day |
| 21:05.17 | Hirsute-Home | Thunder_Child: Heh |
| 21:05.24 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Are you aware of research on how perception effects how we remember events? We tend to remember only the anomalous events and see patterns where none exists. |
| 21:05.28 | Tem|work | I'll probably never finish Higher Learning without it |
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| 21:05.49 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, yup. however we started keeping track |
| 21:05.59 | Tem|work | Lunessa: Onyxia deep breaths more when you don't have enough dots up on her. |
| 21:06.13 | Thunder_Child | lol Tem|work |
| 21:06.26 | Lunessa | Tem|work: And Sapphiron only drops the "thing I want" on the nights I don't go. |
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| 21:06.43 | Tem|work | that's every raid boss, Lunessa |
| 21:06.54 | Tem|work | speaking of which, I need the damn dps cape from 10 man sapph |
| 21:06.56 | Lunessa | So true. SO TRUE. |
| 21:06.58 | foxlit | you want something from sapphiron? |
| 21:07.05 | Tem|work | because I'll never win the one from KT25 |
| 21:07.13 | Tem|work | not with my leet offspec rolls |
| 21:07.16 | Lunessa | foxlit: I don't know. I just used it as an example. |
| 21:07.48 | Thunder_Child | i need more gear from maly |
| 21:07.55 | Lunessa | Most of the epic capes I've seen are about the same stat-wise as my blue one. |
| 21:08.27 | Lunessa | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Unkle |
| 21:08.48 | Lunessa | My gear doesn't suck for now. But when Uldar hits, I'll be a n00b again. |
| 21:09.00 | Tem|work | I'm a little resentful of the warriors and druids I have to roll against for offspec gear since I'm the only one who regularly respecs for dps |
| 21:09.06 | Tem|work | (for raids) |
| 21:09.27 | Tem|work | well, to be more honest, I'm resentful that I respec dps for raids at all |
| 21:10.04 | Thunder_Child | amusingly i have a combo of great and shite gear http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Prismatic |
| 21:10.53 | Lunessa | Tem|work: Heh, I have 5 tanks and no one wants to do anything other than tank. /facepalm - and at least one of them bitches 'cause I won't respec to lolhael. |
| 21:11.16 | Thunder_Child | lolhael yourself |
| 21:11.42 | Tem|work | Lunessa: well. I feel your tank's pain |
| 21:11.46 | Tem|work | I rolled my class to tank |
| 21:11.54 | foxlit | zomg tank overload |
| 21:11.56 | Tem|work | not do terrible dps because my gear is the worst in the guild |
| 21:11.59 | foxlit | dump all the death knights. nerf all the druids. |
| 21:12.00 | Lunessa | I know you did. I tried to recruit you. :P |
| 21:12.12 | Tem|work | =P |
| 21:12.29 | Tem|work | to the one who bitches about you healing.... |
| 21:12.29 | foxlit | (lolprot is a term that should be thrown around more often) |
| 21:12.33 | Tem|work | OH SHIT |
| 21:12.36 | Tem|work | Lunessa: you're enhance |
| 21:12.46 | Tem|work | Transfer to Garona Post Haste |
| 21:12.49 | Lunessa | Yeah. I'm a bad-ass too. |
| 21:12.52 | Tem|work | we need a enh shammy _bad_ |
| 21:12.59 | Tem|work | __bad__ |
| 21:13.13 | Lunessa | Cog, Alestane, and Peppy would kill me. |
| 21:13.20 | Tem|work | we make our ele shaman go enh because it's such a boost to our raid dps |
| 21:13.32 | Tem|work | but his enh gear is lawl and he prefers ele |
| 21:13.42 | Tem|work | so we're HEAVILY recruiting an enh |
| 21:13.48 | Tem|work | we actually need dps pretty bad |
| 21:13.49 | Lunessa | I joke that the Pug I do naxx-25 with only takes me for Heroism. |
| 21:13.56 | Tem|work | lol |
| 21:14.17 | Tem|work | we make sure we have 2 shamans in the raid for any progression content |
| 21:14.25 | Lunessa | It's not true. They take me for Windfury. |
| 21:14.33 | Tem|work | because waiting for heroism cooldown to do the next pull is hellaious |
| 21:14.45 | cog|work | 14:13 < Lunessa> Cog, Alestane, and Peppy would kill me. |
| 21:14.46 | Tem|work | I missed a c t or s somewhere in there |
| 21:15.00 | cog|work | or at least charge you $75 to move our toons BACK to garona >< |
| 21:15.11 | Lunessa | Cog, I'm not moving. :P |
| 21:15.30 | Tem|work | cog|work: I tried to make lunessa move here once already this expansion |
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| 21:15.34 | Lunessa | I just recruited a RL friend to level a healer for us. |
| 21:15.55 | Tem|work | we're set on heals and tanks, but we need MOAR DEEPS |
| 21:15.57 | Lunessa | Tem|work: Liked grouping with me in Beta. |
| 21:16.05 | Tem|work | <3 |
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| 21:16.31 | Tem|work | had to do 20 man malygos last night instead of 6m malygos because we didn't have 5 more dps to fill the raid |
| 21:16.32 | Lunessa | We need healers and dps. And I can pug sub-par DPS all the time. I'm trying to recruit some quality folks. |
| 21:17.09 | Lunessa | I've never been past phase 2 on Malygos. |
| 21:17.19 | Tem|work | really? |
| 21:17.20 | Tem|work | why? |
| 21:18.03 | Shirik | cog|work: Why would you kill him? |
| 21:18.40 | Tem|work | amusing story from this weekend: I soloed AQ40 trash |
| 21:18.46 | Lunessa | I go with a pug. <Grounding Totem> isn't raid-capable yet. The pug emo-slpoded after the first wipe the one time we went. |
| 21:19.01 | Dagmar | They get upset about dying once? |
| 21:19.02 | Tem|work | check my achievements (particularly the feats of strength) for the rest of the story |
| 21:19.02 | Tem|work | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Garona&n=Doloros |
| 21:19.29 | durcyn | Tem|work: hate |
| 21:19.37 | Tem|work | my mage, who cleared most of AQ40 never got ONE of those mounts |
| 21:19.53 | Tem|work | my DK got all 4 in one trip from the door to Prophet Skeram's feet |
| 21:20.00 | selckin | if you did it level approriate you got one. |
| 21:20.10 | Tem|work | no, I failed at rolling |
| 21:20.15 | Tem|work | I failed horribly at rolling |
| 21:20.20 | Shirik | Lunessa: Why was cog going to kill you :/ |
| 21:20.23 | foxlit | your raid group failed at raiding, then |
| 21:20.25 | Tem|work | I had the highest brood rep in the guild |
| 21:20.26 | Dagmar | I had a couple guildies go in there yesterday and get those |
| 21:20.30 | Tem|work | and yet I never got a mount |
| 21:20.35 | Dagmar | I suspect the drop rate's a bit higher |
| 21:20.38 | Lunessa | Shirik: He x-fered off garona to guild with me on Kirin Tor |
| 21:20.47 | Shirik | aww how sweet |
| 21:20.53 | selckin | you need to wipe more before sekram, or get passed twins then :p |
| 21:21.01 | Tem|work | Shirik: shut up horde scum |
| 21:21.02 | Lunessa | And Tem is trying to get me to x-fer TO Garona. :P |
| 21:21.08 | Shirik | Hey hey |
| 21:21.17 | Shirik | I was thinking about rolling an alliance druid tyvm |
| 21:21.31 | Tem|work | What? I'm just following my king's example |
| 21:21.35 | Lunessa | Shirik: Come to Kirin Tor. |
| 21:21.44 | Shirik | Besides, only reason I'm horde is because you evil alliance kicked me out |
| 21:21.58 | Tem|work | no. Your prince went quite mad |
| 21:22.14 | Shirik | ah, guilty by association |
| 21:22.15 | Tem|work | (also there were some assholes in the dungeon that I take not responsibility for) |
| 21:22.19 | Dagmar | Junkies. |
| 21:22.32 | bleeter | heh ppl saying 3.1 has to be out in 2 weeks for Noblegarden changes |
| 21:22.33 | Shirik | Lunessa: server type? |
| 21:22.45 | Lunessa | RP - Bitches! RP! |
| 21:22.51 | Tem|work | youch |
| 21:23.02 | bleeter | Lunessa: I was gunna bug you about something.. stuffed I can recall what now ;) |
| 21:23.06 | Dagmar | bleeter: Whatcha wan bet that'll be a 3.0.10 patch that brings in Noblegarden |
| 21:23.23 | Lunessa | bleeter: I haven't released any code in like... forever... |
| 21:24.00 | Tem|work | noblegarden coincides with easter, no? |
| 21:24.07 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:24.08 | Tem|work | that's not until april-sih |
| 21:24.10 | Tem|work | ish |
| 21:24.17 | Tem|work | we're only like 3 weeks into lent |
| 21:26.01 | bleeter | Lunessa: nah, some resto question |
| 21:26.14 | bleeter | oh hang on nm me |
| 21:26.19 | bleeter | wasn't that |
| 21:26.22 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 21:26.37 | Lunessa | I resto only under two conditions - Someone holds gun to my head, or Summer Glau is performing "favors" on me. |
| 21:27.17 | selckin | what about summer glau with a gun to your head |
| 21:27.29 | Dagmar | That could work, too. |
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| 21:27.44 | NeoTron | it falls under the first condition, but directly against the second |
| 21:28.12 | durcyn | Tem|work: blizzard's already said they're prepared to push back the noblegarden date though, so who knows when it'll land |
| 21:28.23 | mikma | wowi admins are fast |
| 21:28.29 | Shirik | lies |
| 21:30.16 | foxlit | wowi admins have those secret decoder rings that flare up every time someone submits something |
| 21:30.24 | bleeter | how do you push back the date of easter w/o stopping the moon? |
| 21:30.39 | foxlit | bleeter: who needs easter, anyway? |
| 21:30.52 | nevcairiel | bleeter: its just their event, doesn't have to match easter |
| 21:30.57 | Dagmar | Tell Jesus there's 7th Day Adventists outside waiting for him |
| 21:31.35 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Then we get 7 more weeks of Winter! |
| 21:31.43 | Dagmar | I'll take it |
| 21:31.59 | Dagmar | The early warming-up here has made the foliage get all frolicky |
| 21:32.01 | Thunder_Child | mikma, not really. they simply have the ability to approve addons through a temporal field |
| 21:32.03 | Shirik | how does the moon impact easter? |
| 21:32.25 | nevcairiel | so it just appears to be fast for us TC? |
| 21:32.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: The original event had nothing to do with Jesus. |
| 21:32.31 | Dagmar | Shirik: Because it's only during a *full moon* that the zombie jesus rises to eat little children |
| 21:32.34 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, correct |
| 21:32.41 | Shirik | Lunessa: Well I know that |
| 21:32.51 | bleeter | Shirik: it's a lunar calendar festival |
| 21:32.56 | Shirik | neither does Christmas |
| 21:33.00 | bleeter | third full moon of the calendar year or some shiuzz |
| 21:33.01 | Dagmar | Beltane or something like that |
| 21:33.14 | bleeter | *third full moon of the solar calendar |
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| 21:33.35 | Shirik | though people say christmas is the birth of christ, but actually it was recalculated away from that for some unknown reason |
| 21:33.39 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter - See Dates |
| 21:33.42 | bleeter | Definition of Easter Sunday Date |
| 21:33.43 | bleeter | Easter Sunday is the Sunday following the Paschal Full Moon (PFM) date for the year. In June 325 A.D. astronomers approximated astronomical full moon dates for the Christian church, calling them Ecclesiastical Full Moon (EFM) dates. From 326 A.D. the PFM date has always been the EFM date after March 20 (which was the equinox date in 325 A.D.). |
| 21:33.47 | Dagmar | No wait, Beltane is May 1st. Nevermind. |
| 21:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | The calendar back then sucked, Shirik. |
| 21:34.06 | Lopeppeppy | Eve of the 31st/1st in most traditions, but yes, May 1. |
| 21:34.13 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: do you know of a way to compile Lua so it defaults to the C locale instead of system locale? |
| 21:34.30 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Linux |
| 21:34.31 | Dagmar | ? |
| 21:34.43 | Arrowmaster | for any |
| 21:34.43 | bleeter | http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/easter.htm |
| 21:35.03 | bleeter | I thought cog afk'd for a month or two |
| 21:35.06 | Dagmar | Typically you just export LANG after you've built it |
| 21:35.15 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Can't you just add a setlocale() call in? |
| 21:35.18 | Arrowmaster | you cant exactly do that on windows |
| 21:35.18 | Shirik | bleeter: That was Cide |
| 21:35.24 | Shirik | ok, Windows equivalent |
| 21:35.25 | Shirik | whatever it is |
| 21:35.33 | Dagmar | ...or LC_ALL I think |
| 21:35.40 | bleeter | Shirik: ah, yeah.. they're all just C***'s to me ;) |
| 21:35.47 | Dagmar | I've not known much of anything to let you force the locale at compile time |
| 21:36.10 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, what are you talking about |
| 21:36.12 | Shirik | Win32 has that API |
| 21:36.12 | Arrowmaster | well i think blizzard has probably done it |
| 21:36.17 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/x99tb11d(VS.71).aspx |
| 21:36.25 | foxlit | # YOU! Don't you want to sing along? |
| 21:36.37 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=16030 |
| 21:36.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Understnad that the "C" locale is basically "whatever the coders put in as strings themselves" |
| 21:37.20 | Lunessa | I spy with my little eye a fresh UI & Macros post by Cairenn |
| 21:37.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You can *maybe* export both LANG and LC_ALL into the compile environment and see what will happen, but translation all goes on in glibc-space under Linux. |
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| 21:37.42 | Cairenn | Lunessa: whahuhwhere? |
| 21:37.44 | Dagmar | You either built *with* it enabled, or you try to disable it and take your chances |
| 21:37.53 | Lunessa | Carbonite Ads thread. |
| 21:37.55 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I don't have an Ace login nor do I have any need to make one |
| 21:38.03 | Cairenn | I know, was being a smartass |
| 21:38.05 | Shirik | see the MSDN article I linked and feel free to link it in that post if you want |
| 21:38.14 | Shirik | I have to go take a shower |
| 21:38.16 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you cant read that without logging in? |
| 21:38.23 | Shirik | I thought you meant I should post there |
| 21:38.24 | Shirik | I read it |
| 21:38.42 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:38.44 | Shirik | setlocale should work |
| 21:38.48 | Shirik | right at the top of the interpreter |
| 21:38.57 | cog|work | Shirik: i figured it out... i gave it a shortcut key of h, which isn't shared with any of the controls on that panel, but it's used for the Help button on all panels |
| 21:39.05 | cog|work | fix: change the shortcut :P |
| 21:39.13 | foxlit | does it even make sense if neither C nor Lua is locale-aware? |
| 21:39.17 | Lunessa | Cairenn: It's ok, asses can be smart too. Especially when attached to charming red-heads. :P |
| 21:39.23 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:39.36 | foxlit | (i.e. strings are just arbitrary byte sequences) |
| 21:39.54 | Dagmar | foxlit: They actually are aware of the locale, through glibc |
| 21:40.00 | Dagmar | ...at least on Unixes |
| 21:40.02 | Shirik | constant strings are just code :) |
| 21:40.43 | Shirik | it's always fun watching disassemblers get confused by strings in the code section |
| 21:40.45 | Dagmar | foxlit: You basically put the text into the program in whatever language you speak, and then the C lib looks up those strings and replaces them with whatever you put in the translation tables (for the whole string) |
| 21:41.38 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15660812145&sid=1#13 |
| 21:41.45 | bleeter | Shirik|AFK: come back and read ^^ |
| 21:42.00 | Shirik|AFK | nana |
| 21:42.01 | Shirik|AFK | shower |
| 21:42.04 | Shirik|AFK | we going to outback whee |
| 21:42.10 | foxlit | I wonder what "including without limitation" means, and why they felt they needed to use two in a single sentence |
| 21:42.11 | Shirik|AFK | I get to act like you! |
| 21:42.21 | bleeter | it's only two sentences... gees :P |
| 21:42.47 | bleeter | you know you could just come to my place |
| 21:42.59 | bleeter | looks like perfect BBQ weather n stuff, we'll go to the beach too |
| 21:43.35 | Lopeppeppy | *whimper* |
| 21:43.43 | Shirik|AFK | you can come too if you want |
| 21:43.55 | Cairenn | foxlit: "exploit the Game or any of its parts (including without limitation the Game client), for any commercial purpose, (including without limitation these examples)" |
| 21:44.31 | Cairenn | foxlit: make more sense that way? |
| 21:44.54 | foxlit | Made more sense upon rereading, anyway |
| 21:44.57 | Shirik|AFK | btw Lopeppeppy, Lunessa said I should roll on kirin tor |
| 21:45.02 | Shirik|AFK | so be scared |
| 21:45.11 | foxlit | Still. If I want to sell an addon, is that exploiting the game for a commercial purpose? |
| 21:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | Come cuddle, Shirik, all the awesome people are there. |
| 21:45.31 | foxlit | Clearly, I wouldn't be able to sell the addon if the game wasn't there; and I'm clearly making money, so it's commercial. |
| 21:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | If you sell it in game, yes it surely is. |
| 21:45.46 | Shirik|AFK | ^ |
| 21:45.54 | Shirik|AFK | I think the big problem people are having is the advertisements |
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| 21:45.59 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 21:46.01 | Shirik|AFK | Which, quite literally, uses the game to sell a product |
| 21:46.04 | foxlit | The "in game" requirement is not apparent to me from that quote |
| 21:46.13 | Shirik|AFK | Which is different from selling something to be used in a game |
| 21:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it's not, foxlit |
| 21:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | Hello. |
| 21:46.23 | Shirik|AFK | where you use something ELSE to sell the product |
| 21:46.30 | Shirik|AFK | here you are directly manipulating the game for the purposes of sale |
| 21:46.40 | Thrae | Clearly, I wouldn't be able to sell that program if Windows wasn't there; and I'm clearly making money, so it's commercial. <-- see, it doesn't apply to just WoW Lua, although it's a little different due to Blizzard's ToS |
| 21:46.41 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: so do you think you could make a fix for this and put it in wowlua? http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=16030 |
| 21:46.46 | Lopeppeppy | The ToS/EULA are written, like eveyr such document, to give wiggle room and reasonable doubt to the owner of the property, NOT to be 100% cut dried and specific. |
| 21:47.14 | Shirik|AFK | Lopeppeppy can come to that too if she wants, but for some reason I don't think that will go over well |
| 21:47.25 | foxlit | the examples they provide seem more focused on other limitations. |
| 21:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | They have wiggle room by nature, so trying to nail them down is fruitless. Lawyers make good money making SURE the things aren't that nailable. |
| 21:48.00 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: i haven't been following |
| 21:48.22 | cog|work | i'll be happy to take submitted patches :P |
| 21:48.33 | foxlit | (of course, those are somewhat limited by the without limitation phrase, so it's exactly as you say -- assert as much as possible without necessarily thinking about enforcing all of it) |
| 21:49.03 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: user on a system locale that uses , as the decimal indicator so luac throws errors about the . decimals in the lua file |
| 21:50.23 | bleeter | anyone know why the Latin American countries aren't mentioned in the EULA/ToS? |
| 21:50.24 | cog|work | http://luaforge.net/tracker/?atid=1550&group_id=375&func=browse imo |
| 21:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | bleeter, maybe they have their own ToS stuffs? |
| 21:51.33 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: i won't have time atm and will likely forget |
| 21:52.16 | Industrial | Anyone ever used Recipe Radar? I'm getting a window without any recipes in it.. |
| 21:52.17 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: well that's silly. What if I'm an english only speaker living in those countries? |
| 21:52.46 | Industrial | cept when I enable the Inapplicable but then its filled with uncached things |
| 21:52.51 | Dagmar | bleeter: Good luck figuring out the quest log then |
| 21:52.53 | Lunessa | bleeter: You've just become part of the show? |
| 21:53.35 | bleeter | Dagmar: what? I can still; use enUS client on US/Oceanic realms, I'm not forced to play on LA realms if I live in an LA country am I? |
| 21:54.00 | Dagmar | bleeter: Judging by the number of chinese goldfarmers on the US realms? |
| 21:54.23 | bleeter | clearly I need more coffee coz you're making no sense to me whatsoever |
| 21:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | bleeter -- you can play whatever version of the game you buy. |
| 21:55.01 | Lopeppeppy | I know people in Europe who play with the North American version of the game. It's all good. |
| 21:55.39 | Tekkub | Aparently my future is cute |
| 21:55.40 | Tekkub | http://img.skitch.com/20090316-fgax47k4egjcwt9pyd84c66p69.png |
| 21:55.42 | bleeter | indeed, but the EULA/ToS speaks to the countries which Blizz US services, and doesn't mention anything about LA countries |
| 21:55.47 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: ^^ |
| 21:55.54 | Lopeppeppy | However, the rules of your country govern your contractual obligations, I would assume, no matter what ToS/EULA you sign. So there will always be potential fun conflicts for courts to discuss until they grow mold on their tongues. |
| 21:55.56 | bleeter | all rather odd |
| 21:56.07 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it is, it's legal mumbo jumbo. |
| 21:56.44 | bleeter | almost as if Legal haven't updated for the LA realms.. I mean, it did take them forever to update last time I pointed out EULA/ToS on web was >12 months out of date |
| 21:56.54 | Lunessa | bleeter - I was going to say "Then you go to Hell and you DIE!" But I stole anothe tag-line instead. |
| 21:57.04 | foxlit | Tekkub: hm, beard. |
| 21:57.12 | Tekkub | fuzzy |
| 21:57.13 | Lopeppeppy | They have said many times that keeping the website up to date with every little change takes back seat to live presentation. |
| 21:57.48 | foxlit | http://blogs.microsoft.co.il/blogs/tamir/archive/2008/04/28/computer-languages-and-facial-hair-take-two.aspx |
| 21:57.59 | bleeter | I would've thought keeping the legal documents synced would've been (a) simpler (b) more important |
| 21:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | You can think that all you like, but as in many things, corporate thought varies in ways that humans can't understand. |
| 21:58.52 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone using the G13 who would give me a product review? It looks spiffy, I wants.... |
| 21:59.06 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Have you had a G15 or G11 before? |
| 21:59.08 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: it's not ergonomic, therefore, sucks. |
| 21:59.25 | Dagmar | You get extra buttons you can map to keys, but only existing keys. |
| 21:59.32 | Lunessa | Pepepy - Programmable buttons = hawt. Non-ergo and cramped layout = lose. |
| 21:59.35 | Dagmar | There's some hidden gotchas involved |
| 22:00.04 | Dagmar | You'd probably be happier with the G11 if you just want extra buttons |
| 22:00.32 | Tekkub | foxlit, heh |
| 22:00.38 | Lunessa | I want a N52, but ... I want it to actually work. The last three I bought never worked. |
| 22:00.40 | Dagmar | The screen is all but useless in WoW unless you use Ventrilo |
| 22:00.58 | Lunessa | Oh, and I want one for my RIGHT hand to REPLACE the mouse. :P |
| 22:01.17 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: fwiw, just looking now, the on disk EULA/ToS don't mention LA countries either. All those LA realms and LA customers are accessing stuff at their own risk |
| 22:01.22 | bleeter | very interesting |
| 22:01.24 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, the nostromo is too big for my hand. The G13 looks smaller and better for me. |
| 22:01.38 | Tekkub | Lunessa, right hand my ass |
| 22:01.52 | Tekkub | you'll be amazed what you can do with your left hand |
| 22:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | What you and Lunessa do in private should stay private, Tekkub. |
| 22:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 22:02.06 | Tekkub | I played FFXI entirely left-handed thanks to my old n50 |
| 22:02.15 | Lunessa | Tekkub: You say the sweetest things. |
| 22:02.15 | Tekkub | I'm right-handed ^^ |
| 22:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | I hate it when I'm the only guildie online. I feel lonely!! |
| 22:04.01 | Industrial | we have 3 25man groups :p |
| 22:04.57 | |Jelly| | Peppy: Reroll on my server! <3 |
| 22:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | *poke* |
| 22:05.10 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: realm and faction, I'll roll a lvl 1 to bug you |
| 22:05.14 | Duman | whee |
| 22:05.17 | MentalPower | Tekkub: I replied |
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| 22:05.29 | Lopeppeppy | bleeter, Kirin Tor Alliance |
| 22:05.34 | Tekkub | anywho, Lunessa, keep trying, n52's the bestest... though I wouldn't get the blue one, I don't like backlit shits |
| 22:05.42 | Tekkub | MentalPower, domo *checks* |
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| 22:07.00 | MentalPower | I just don't want to do something like function GetAuctionBuyout(link) return AucAdvanced.API.GetMarketValue(link) end if that would break your current semantics |
| 22:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | I might try another nostromo if I can find one in-store to touch. I have such small hands it's annoying to try to use most mice, so a huge pad I can't reach the buttons on is just schtoooop'd |
| 22:07.08 | Lunessa | Tekkub: I have the orange, non-backlit one and it the software never recognizes a bind, and after a while the mouse and screen go berserk. And it's been like that for 3 different purchases. |
| 22:07.29 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The hand rest is adjustable. |
| 22:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't help me much, Lunessa... *shrug* But I'll look for one and try it out again, see if my opinion on it has changed any. |
| 22:09.40 | Tekkub | Lunessa, eh, the software is crap IMO |
| 22:09.56 | Tekkub | I made one profile like 3 years ago and use it as the default |
| 22:10.05 | Lunessa | Yeah. I might give it another go, 'cause it would be nice. |
| 22:10.14 | Tekkub | I wish wow supported joystick buttons directly so I could use the non-belkin driver |
| 22:10.22 | Lunessa | Tekkub: It will. 3.1 |
| 22:10.26 | Lunessa | :P |
| 22:10.38 | Tekkub | you certain? I saw the joystick stuff, then it went away |
| 22:10.45 | Tekkub | and there was no n52 in there |
| 22:10.58 | Tekkub | MentalPower, re-replied |
| 22:11.18 | bleeter | oO so there IS some bug that makes a boss appear nude after it's dead? |
| 22:11.23 | Lunessa | Bah, not I got to go look at the code again. |
| 22:11.26 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15660812145&sid=1 |
| 22:11.51 | bleeter | we all thought 'nude patch' turns out that's not the only cause of a nude boss |
| 22:12.32 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, sure? i think tuller tried an xbox controller and couldnt find anything |
| 22:12.52 | Legorol | does pinging minimap require a hardware event? |
| 22:14.11 | Lunessa | Minimap:PingLocation(x, y) - Perform a ping at the specified location. As of 2.4.2 protected while targeting area of effect spells. |
| 22:14.53 | NeoTron | aka Felmyst mass dispell protection |
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| 22:15.46 | Legorol | Lunessa: can you still do it from addon for things other than aoe spells? |
| 22:15.47 | foxlit | what I don't get is why pinging the minimap would cause you to cast a spell |
| 22:16.03 | Lunessa | Legorol probably. |
| 22:16.15 | Lunessa | foxlit: It translated to a mouse-click? |
| 22:16.25 | Legorol | foxlit has a point there |
| 22:16.36 | Legorol | that's counterintuitive and shouldn't be happening anyway |
| 22:16.39 | foxlit | Then their implementation sucks. |
| 22:16.49 | Cairenn | you know something else I just thought of, re Carbonite? Carbonite lite - in particular - takes copyrighted material (quest descriptions) and repackages and re-sells it. That is not legal in *any* country |
| 22:16.50 | Lunessa | Yes, yes it does. |
| 22:17.58 | Legorol | is Carbonite lite for sale? |
| 22:17.58 | foxlit | They ship the original quest descriptions? |
| 22:18.03 | Legorol | isn't that the free version? |
| 22:18.08 | Legorol | nvm me |
| 22:18.18 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: it was actually a feature nobody used until they found out they could exploit it |
| 22:18.18 | Legorol | Cairenn, could it be this is why they are negotiating with Blizz? |
| 22:18.40 | Arrowmaster | then i think they removed the ability to cast targetted aoe spells on the minimap |
| 22:18.53 | Dewin | I found a new reason to dislike Carbonite the other day. |
| 22:19.02 | Dewin | It spams CHAT_ADDON_MSGs |
| 22:19.17 | NeoTron | "spams" |
| 22:19.18 | NeoTron | ? |
| 22:19.22 | Arrowmaster | it also spams a normal chat channel |
| 22:19.24 | bleeter | Cairenn: I suspect that's not the only thing they're repackaging and selling with dubious legality. |
| 22:19.28 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: i thought you can still do that, just it's now hardware event requiring |
| 22:19.39 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: I'm talking at the rate of 5-20 per second in our guild, and that's with only 3 people or so using it. |
| 22:19.42 | Cairenn | no doubt |
| 22:19.58 | Arrowmaster | first they made it require a hardware event |
| 22:20.04 | bleeter | Cairenn: to whit Warhol and his tins of soup vs carbonites rearranging of the world maps |
| 22:20.04 | Arrowmaster | then i thought they removed the feature completely |
| 22:20.08 | Dewin | I turned on Prat's ability to watch addon messages out of curiosity and was inundated with spam from CRB. |
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| 22:20.25 | Aznamir | ~seen Iriel |
| 22:20.31 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 18h 51m 20s ago, saying: 'Hm, I thought the dev tools on curse was mine, albeit probably an old version'. |
| 22:20.31 | Dewin | Really, why do you need to know when someone on another continent is fighting a mob? |
| 22:20.40 | bleeter | lol |
| 22:20.44 | bleeter | gg iriel |
| 22:22.13 | Dewin | So you could argue that using carbonite increases the lag of your entire guild, though I have no idea how much of an impact it really has. |
| 22:25.10 | bleeter | s/guild/realm/ |
| 22:25.40 | bleeter | it defaults to telling all other carbonite users on your realm what you're up to |
| 22:26.06 | Dewin | Yeah, but you can't CHAT_ADDON_MSG the entire realm, so it likely needs a dedicated chat channel for that that won't impact non-Carbonite users. |
| 22:26.16 | bleeter | two dedicated channels |
| 22:26.17 | foxlit | with any luck, not much of that actually applies. |
| 22:26.19 | Cairenn | Dewin, Arrowmaster: what do you mean it's spamming? I've never used it, other than to log in and check out the "new" version last night, to decide whether it would be allowed on WoWI if/when they submit it to us |
| 22:26.20 | Dewin | It doesn't need a dedicated chat channel to message your guild. |
| 22:26.40 | Cairenn | errr, nm |
| 22:26.47 | Cairenn | sorry, I was scrolled part way up |
| 22:26.49 | bleeter | lol@cair |
| 22:26.50 | Aznamir | Carbonite uses its own custom chat channels for zone comminucation |
| 22:26.52 | foxlit | But there's a simple scenario where that sort of messaging might be *useful* |
| 22:26.55 | Aznamir | but you can turn it all off |
| 22:27.01 | NeoTron | so what I wonder with carbonite is - Blizzard doesn't like code for addons to be obfuscated does it? |
| 22:27.14 | Dewin | NeoTron: I don't think Blizzard really cares. |
| 22:27.18 | Dewin | Bejeweled is no better. |
| 22:27.31 | NeoTron | you used to be able to (pre)compile the code |
| 22:27.32 | bleeter | BLizz could probasbly politely ask for a de-obsfucator, and if it's not provided just lock the addon out |
| 22:27.36 | NeoTron | they removed that possibility |
| 22:27.51 | NeoTron | since it was useful for hiding the real intent of the code |
| 22:28.13 | foxlit | If your quest data is incomplete, you may be able to pick the details from other players -- so you might be interested as to where people are fighting the quest mob you need for some quest. |
| 22:28.21 | Aznamir | There is a decrypter Carbonite version out there.. but it is pretty obfuscated too... for example 'lolwut' variable names |
| 22:28.22 | bleeter | hell, blizz can prolly load it up on their internal systems and reverse engi it |
| 22:28.33 | Arrowmaster | its perty easy to decode the carbonite code, the problem is that after you do that its about the same as bejeweled |
| 22:28.51 | kd3 | nasty code is nasty |
| 22:29.08 | bleeter | kd3: no u |
| 22:29.09 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: i dont think carbonite does datamining like questhelper does |
| 22:29.44 | Dewin | My technical complaint with Carbonite (as opposed to a philosophical one) is that everybody's client gets CHAT_ADDON_MSG events that have to be processed regardless of whether they even use addons or not. Using private addon channels that addons have to specifically join you to doesn't have that problem. "Light" CHAT_ADDON_MSG traffic is one thing ("Soandso gathered X at Y location), seeing data that's almost a lightweight combat log |
| 22:29.51 | Aznamir | http://rs685.rapidshare.com/files/208519712/Carbonite_2.58.zip if anyone wants to look at the Carbonite code |
| 22:30.50 | mikma | can't we just see the code from the addon? |
| 22:30.52 | Legorol | Aznamir: do you have the Carbonite owners' permission to distribute that code? |
| 22:30.56 | mikma | or is it crypted |
| 22:31.10 | Dewin | That being said, I have no idea how much it work it actually is for the client to 'handle' those CHAT_ADDON_MSG events, aside from the (presumably small) bandwidth requirement. |
| 22:31.13 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: nobody gives a fuck |
| 22:31.16 | Aznamir | i don't distribute it.. i found it :) |
| 22:31.26 | NeoTron | it's obfuscated |
| 22:31.36 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: if you don't take copyright seriously in this channel, then addon authors lose all grounds to complain to things like wowmatrix |
| 22:31.39 | Legorol | so yes, we all should give a fuck |
| 22:31.44 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: its not copyright |
| 22:31.47 | foxlit | Aznamir: you linked to it. Accessory, clearly! |
| 22:32.04 | Jamash | linking != sharing |
| 22:32.16 | KarlKFI | so does that mean Google is "Making Availible" ? |
| 22:32.18 | Cairenn | easy guys |
| 22:32.19 | mikma | http://rs685.rapidshare.com/files/208519712/Carbonite_2.58.zip |
| 22:32.21 | mikma | lolz! |
| 22:32.31 | kd3 | karl; the riaa sure likes to think so |
| 22:32.33 | foxlit | Yes! And if they didn't remove links on request... :) |
| 22:32.36 | Jamash | cf. teh piraet bey |
| 22:32.55 | mikma | thepiratebootybay |
| 22:33.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:33.14 | Jamash | I always wanted to make a game called "Call of Booty" |
| 22:33.17 | kd3 | ah, that was a hilarious site |
| 22:33.23 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/06/funny-pictures-is-indifferent-to-them/ |
| 22:33.24 | NeoTron | so they DID distribute it as source, although not exactly clear text |
| 22:33.29 | Arrowmaster | need to get antiarc to update it |
| 22:33.31 | NeoTron | the code to "decrypt" it is right in the addon itself |
| 22:33.53 | foxlit | irrelevant, NeoTron. |
| 22:33.59 | Antiarc | update what |
| 22:34.06 | kd3 | the pirate booty bay |
| 22:34.06 | foxlit | Books are distributed as plain text, yet you still don't have a right to photocopy and redistribute. |
| 22:34.11 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: thepiratebootybay.com |
| 22:34.20 | Antiarc | Oho, yes, I do |
| 22:34.39 | KarlKFI | your mom was distributed in plaintext last night! |
| 22:35.04 | foxlit | :*( |
| 22:35.23 | Lunessa | Book - Compatible with the shelves you already have! |
| 22:35.42 | bleeter | nowai |
| 22:35.52 | KarlKFI | That's what she said |
| 22:35.52 | Dewin | And as waterproof as a kindle? |
| 22:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | A witch? |
| 22:37.04 | bleeter | Lunessa: /join #norganna and ask in there, it'll be much easier than using the CSF OT thread ;) |
| 22:37.23 | bleeter | bah wrong # again |
| 22:37.31 | bleeter | Lunessa: change your name to not start with L |
| 22:37.42 | Lunessa | Um, no? |
| 22:37.45 | Legorol | is there any way to get some kind of coordinate/position for yourself inside an instance? |
| 22:37.48 | Legorol | or is that still impossible |
| 22:37.57 | Legorol | (i haven't kept uptodate with the API) |
| 22:38.05 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, they can simply say they do not sell the quest text, the simply seel a way to view it in a restructured manner. |
| 22:38.08 | Hirsute-Home | Legorol: I *think* on the PTR in North Rend instances you can. |
| 22:38.10 | Thunder_Child | sell* |
| 22:38.10 | kd3 | it should be possible in 3.1. |
| 22:38.20 | kd3 | afaik coords are working in wrath instances |
| 22:38.26 | Hirsute-Home | Cool. |
| 22:38.26 | Arrowmaster | yes but instances have multiple maps so the coordinates are completely dependent on which layer is being shown |
| 22:38.31 | Legorol | kd3: that's awesome |
| 22:38.32 | Hirsute-Home | I was just going off the patch notes. |
| 22:42.15 | Legorol | so here is an idea for an addon: |
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| 22:42.29 | laeg | didn't there used to be a tooltip or something for pvp showing what bgs you were in the queue for etc? |
| 22:42.38 | Legorol | if you can tell your coordinate in an instance, an addon can guide you to specific locations, right? using arrows, flashing lights, naked nightelves, whatever |
| 22:42.47 | Thunder_Child | laeg, there still is |
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| 22:42.48 | laeg | i haven't seen it since wrath, has it moved or could it possible be getting masked by an addon? |
| 22:42.51 | Lunessa | It's on the minimap laeg |
| 22:42.53 | laeg | Thunder_Child: where _should_ it be located |
| 22:42.56 | laeg | hmmm |
| 22:43.02 | Legorol | so an addon could, in theory, on Sartharion, direct you to the "safe spots" on flame walls, assuming someone (say raid leader) cliks a button to indicate which side the wall is coming from |
| 22:43.02 | Thunder_Child | what Lunessa said |
| 22:43.33 | Legorol | laeg: bottom left corner of minimap, BG icon |
| 22:43.38 | Legorol | appears when you have joined a queue |
| 22:43.54 | foxlit | Legorol: yes. |
| 22:44.05 | Legorol | because we have some problems with people failing walls |
| 22:44.15 | Legorol | so i was thinking of making an addon with very clear visuals for them |
| 22:44.27 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: better idea, make something like sexymap's hudmap that shows the safe areas |
| 22:44.44 | Legorol | interesting idea |
| 22:44.55 | Dagmar | Or just mark the safe spots with colored smoke grenades |
| 22:45.11 | Dagmar | People can't easily screw up "Go to the green smoke" |
| 22:45.40 | laeg | Legorol, Thunder_Child, it's not on my chinchilla minimap, i've looked under every addon minimap button twice |
| 22:45.57 | laeg | maybe in chinchilla options... |
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| 22:46.28 | Legorol | laeg: i'm afraid i have to do a GM on you: go reset your UI, my son |
| 22:46.30 | Sami- | Is there any way to stop raid warning from fading? |
| 22:46.38 | NeoTron | reminds me that I need to install Ping Direction again |
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| 22:47.00 | Arrowmaster | ping direction? |
| 22:47.14 | NeoTron | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6715-PingDirection.html#info |
| 22:48.05 | Sami- | anyone? :s |
| 22:48.36 | Legorol | Sami-: have a look at the values in RaidWarningFrame.timings table |
| 22:49.00 | Legorol | you might be able to get the desired result by appropriately fiddling with RaidWarningFrame.timings.RAID_NOTICE_SCALE_UP_TIME |
| 22:49.03 | Legorol | or one of the others |
| 22:49.12 | Sami- | ok thanks, i'll take a look |
| 22:49.31 | Arrowmaster | are camera save slots still broken? |
| 22:49.43 | Arrowmaster | as in not saving between sessions? |
| 22:50.04 | Legorol | Sami-: sorry those appear to be the wrong timings, they seem to control the growing/shrinking of font size |
| 22:50.10 | Legorol | i'm looking for the right variables |
| 22:50.25 | Thunder_Child | laeg, i dont know, i have something else that collects the buttons, but it is there....and i also use chinchilla |
| 22:51.10 | Sami- | ah np legorol, much appreciated |
| 22:52.22 | Legorol | Sami-: i found it, you need things like RaidWarningFrameSlot1.fadeInTime, RaidWarningFrameSlot1.holdTime, RaidWarningFrameSlot1.fadeOutTime |
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| 22:52.26 | Legorol | and similarly for Slot2 |
| 22:52.36 | Legorol | you probably want to increase holdTime to infinity or something |
| 22:52.49 | Sami- | ah nice, yeah i do |
| 22:52.58 | Dagmar | That translates to int so well |
| 22:53.04 | Sami- | :P |
| 22:53.25 | Sami- | alternatively to the next interrupt is fine I guess |
| 22:53.34 | NeoTron | Dagmar: 42 |
| 22:53.45 | Thunder_Child | i think it will scroll....not overwrite |
| 22:53.57 | Legorol | Sami-: the relevant place in the UI code that sets the default values is in RaidWarning.lua, lines 4-6, inside RaidNotice_FadeInit |
| 22:54.06 | Legorol | the relevant code is: |
| 22:54.06 | Legorol | FadingFrame_SetFadeInTime(slotFrame, 0.2); |
| 22:54.06 | Legorol | FadingFrame_SetHoldTime(slotFrame, 10.0); |
| 22:54.06 | Legorol | FadingFrame_SetFadeOutTime(slotFrame, 3.0); |
| 22:54.39 | Sami- | hm 10s, I such at counting thought it was 12s |
| 22:54.43 | Sami- | suck |
| 22:54.49 | laeg | Thunder_Child, Legorol: i had it turned off in chinchilla, ty :) Thunder_Child what do you use to collect them? mine are very very messy |
| 22:55.33 | Thunder_Child | laeg, ButtonBin |
| 22:55.56 | laeg | ty |
| 22:56.56 | Lunessa | Meh, I turn them off or hide them entirely - most of the AddOns I use can be configured from the built-in AddOns screen. |
| 22:58.44 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out of here for the day. See you all tomorrow while I redact and howl at the documentation for a our new back-up system. |
| 22:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | TA |
| 22:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, new computer arrives, and the motherboard is defective. |
| 22:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | yey. |
| 23:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that stinks ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:01.26 | Aznamir | whatcha got? |
| 23:01.52 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: gief spare parts nao |
| 23:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | i7 and a MSI motherboard |
| 23:02.45 | Jamash | Dude, you're getting a defect! |
| 23:02.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Motherboard is a bit... off |
| 23:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Refuses to recognize -any- keyboard, PS/2 or USB |
| 23:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Boots up half way some times and then shuts off |
| 23:03.24 | Jamash | well that's not nice |
| 23:03.30 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 23:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | RMA it is |
| 23:10.40 | NeoTron | sucks |
| 23:10.46 | Tekkub | al I can say is lol |
| 23:10.51 | Tekkub | Asus next time! |
| 23:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | The cheapest i7 board was this one, and it was still $190 |
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| 23:16.49 | bleeter | anyone recommend a good roll tracker addon? |
| 23:20.51 | Aznamir | I use GroupFu |
| 23:22.28 | bleeter | thanks Aznamir |
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| 23:29.43 | bleeter | hmm group fu asked me to open my bank so it could scan for badges |
| 23:29.50 | bleeter | doesn't sound too promising |
| 23:29.58 | bleeter | oh nm that, that was badgefu... lol |
| 23:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | your *fu is week |
| 23:30.19 | NightHawkTheSane | weak |
| 23:31.33 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 23:35.26 | cbreak | why? |
| 23:35.32 | cbreak | badges aren't in a bank since ages. |
| 23:35.48 | foxlit | I'm guessing someone hasn't update addons in ages. |
| 23:35.55 | foxlit | s/e /ed / |
| 23:36.04 | foxlit | close enough. |
| 23:40.28 | Thunder_Child | i'm not sure i can agree with your asus reccomendation Tekkub. |
| 23:41.03 | Tekkub | so don't |
| 23:41.10 | Tekkub | I've never had issue with an asus board |
| 23:41.13 | Tekkub | I likes thems |
| 23:41.39 | Thunder_Child | so did i, till this $300 one....locks up when i try to OC anything :( |
| 23:42.35 | Tekkub | okey well, OC is a whole different issue and you know that |
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| 23:42.45 | Tekkub | I don't screw with that shit, I like stable systems ^^ |
| 23:43.01 | Thunder_Child | not really Tekkub, this board was touted for OC'ing since it is a "gaming mobo" |
| 23:43.19 | Tekkub | but you KNOW that OC has it's potential fuckups |
| 23:43.54 | Tekkub | so, you don't recommend Asus if you want to OC |
| 23:44.01 | Tekkub | I recommend you don't OC |
| 23:44.05 | Thunder_Child | i understand but if a board is made to OC and it can not...it has issues....and this isnt MY board per se, it's all of this line |
| 23:44.06 | Tekkub | all is well in the world again |
| 23:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33896206@N03/3355196041/ |
| 23:45.54 | Thunder_Child | hmm...thats almost the anarchy sign |
| 23:47.36 | Tekkub | seems to me like someone making an anarchistic statement against the anarchy sign |
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