| 00:00.14 | zenzelezz | function arf() { omghai: goto omghai; } |
| 00:00.26 | kd3 | lol |
| 00:00.28 | zenzelezz | now that was a nice mix of different languages |
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| 00:00.40 | Kaso| | zenzelezz, considered harmful |
| 00:00.47 | zenzelezz | I am indeed |
| 00:02.36 | Shirik | goto $$ |
| 00:03.15 | Shirik | you know what's interesting |
| 00:03.28 | Tekkub | not what you're about to say |
| 00:03.34 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 00:03.40 | Shirik | Now that we have non-interesting stuff out of the way |
| 00:03.40 | Kaso| | lol |
| 00:03.41 | Shirik | nop, goto $-1 is actually a faster infinite loop than goto $$ |
| 00:03.56 | Shirik | at least on intel architecture |
| 00:04.14 | zenzelezz | what's $$ and $-1 then? |
| 00:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | on sarth with drakes, if you have multiple drakes up, a portal spawns.. and you kill a drake.. is it supposed to despawn the portal? |
| 00:04.32 | Shirik | $$ is address of current instruction, $-1 is previous instruction |
| 00:04.43 | Shirik | sorry, not goto, meant jmp |
| 00:04.49 | Kaso| | I do all my loops with longjmp |
| 00:04.52 | Kaso| | for speed! |
| 00:04.56 | Kaso| | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Longjmp--FOR-SPEED!!!.aspx |
| 00:05.22 | zenzelezz | Shirik: is it *actually* called $$, or is that lingo in some ASM-flavor? |
| 00:05.58 | Shirik | most assemblers support that, but yes it's just a macro |
| 00:06.12 | Shirik | no it's not actually "called" that |
| 00:06.28 | Shirik | Kaso|............... |
| 00:06.32 | ccox|sleep | Kaso - ouch |
| 00:06.38 | Shirik | And, I strongly disagree that is faster on all platforms |
| 00:06.59 | Shirik | s/disagree/doubt/ |
| 00:07.12 | Kaso| | thats kinda the point of the article, the longjmp is actually slower |
| 00:07.30 | ccox|sleep | Shirik - it will depend on the exact chip version |
| 00:07.37 | Shirik | The compiler can't optimize a longjmp |
| 00:07.59 | Shirik | ccox: I was more getting at, for example, QNX, which also saves signal states along with longjmp |
| 00:08.01 | ccox | correct, setjmp/longjmp can't be optimized, and are PAINFUL |
| 00:08.03 | Shirik | er, setjmp |
| 00:08.26 | ccox | Shirik - yeah, you have to save the full processor state on setjmp calls |
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| 00:08.50 | Shirik | well POSIX doesn't guarantee that signal states are saved |
| 00:08.57 | ccox | (and some people think setjmp/longjmp are faster than exceptions HA HA HA!) |
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| 00:30.49 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw24240.jpg <- rofl |
| 00:30.55 | mikma | is that cool or what |
| 00:31.03 | mikma | especially the face class -indicators |
| 00:31.16 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 00:31.38 | Thunder_Child | fallout != wow |
| 00:31.44 | Corrodias | very cute |
| 00:32.35 | Thunder_Child | i like how the person name was blacked out but not the pets...which tells you the persons name |
| 00:32.39 | Thunder_Child | persons* |
| 00:33.09 | mikma | really? didn't even check that |
| 00:33.15 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 00:33.45 | mikma | hmm, i guess it's some sort of addon that's blocked instead |
| 00:34.02 | foxlit | TC: wrong name |
| 00:34.12 | foxlit | You can see the pet owner's name above the pet owner :) |
| 00:34.26 | mikma | the owner is on the left |
| 00:34.28 | Thunder_Child | isnt it backwrds though? |
| 00:34.31 | Thunder_Child | backwards* |
| 00:34.56 | Thunder_Child | oh, nvm, thats the servers name attached to it |
| 00:34.59 | Thunder_Child | looks odd |
| 00:35.04 | mikma | i guess it's the StatusBar modification for V-key |
| 00:35.07 | mikma | aloft? |
| 00:35.14 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 00:35.18 | Thunder_Child | maybe |
| 00:35.31 | Thunder_Child | though i dont remember what the default looks like anymor |
| 00:35.32 | Thunder_Child | e |
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| 00:52.34 | bleeter | btw, for those who missed the news .... casino games are officially OK again on US realms |
| 00:53.23 | Corrodias | sweet |
| 00:53.39 | kd3 | !! |
| 00:54.04 | foxlit | how do we know you're not someone from the nevada gaming commission trying to set people up? :) |
| 00:55.44 | bleeter | wanna see the GM ruling?? |
| 00:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to see your MO M |
| 00:56.01 | Corrodias | you might as well link it, yeah |
| 00:56.07 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15659708662&sid=1#5 |
| 00:57.54 | bleeter | so if a spectral tiger card's worth USD$2.5k, and I give the ingame code up as a prize in a texas holdem comp.... hmm |
| 00:58.37 | foxlit | "While Casinos are not wholly in violation of our current policies, " |
| 00:58.41 | foxlit | *wholly* sounds odd |
| 00:58.47 | bleeter | yar |
| 00:59.16 | foxlit | but anyway, policy > CSF |
| 00:59.19 | Corrodias | eventually it comes to the point that you cannot stop people from betting |
| 00:59.22 | Corrodias | they'll find ways to do it |
| 00:59.36 | bleeter | odd thing is, though, it's explicitly banned in EU policy |
| 00:59.49 | bleeter | yet... afaik.. US cross-border gaming laws are a heck of a lot tougher |
| 01:00.01 | bleeter | not that I know their specifics 'coz I never worked there |
| 01:00.04 | Corrodias | maybe EU has specific laws against all kinds of betting, i dunno |
| 01:01.00 | bleeter | foxlit: yeah, there is NO policy covering it. only an old eyonix post pointing to a now non-existant Harassment page. |
| 01:02.52 | bleeter | anyways... gogogo magic global casino addon channel API standards lolol |
| 01:03.03 | foxlit | Having said that, it seems like an awesome way to get yourself banned via the scam policy |
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| 01:04.38 | AbsolutRayne | do do do |
| 01:04.48 | foxlit | Hm, I need to get TextMate to stop showing folding blocks in comments |
| 01:07.19 | bleeter | foxlit: it also seems an awesome way to make a shit-ton of cash, given previous rulings about paying for a chance on items to drop |
| 01:07.30 | bleeter | *paying RL $$ |
| 01:07.47 | bleeter | because really that I genuine gambling |
| 01:07.54 | bleeter | er s/I/is/ |
| 01:10.47 | bleeter | that's to say, seems like an awesome way to drag Blizzard into first ever precendt case of virtual cash gambling foo |
| 01:11.03 | bleeter | *international.. blah blah... no one's had the balls to go there yet |
| 01:11.19 | bleeter | gg to blizz if it's true they really have. someone had to eventually. |
| 01:11.37 | bleeter | the whole area's a total lgeal mess/nightmare/minefield |
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| 01:25.42 | Thunder_Child | "When I got arrested my dad told me "Youre lucky there arent any "doctors" around here that will perform 72nd trimester abortions"!" |
| 01:27.03 | p3lim | Anyone that can help me with my localization issue? |
| 01:27.12 | p3lim | some guy just mailed me zhTW and zhCN localizations, but I cant copy those characters |
| 01:27.30 | p3lim | if there is some wiki alike this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Localizing_an_addon#Accents.2C_Special_Chars_and_Umlauts |
| 01:27.33 | p3lim | let me know |
| 01:28.12 | Thunder_Child | "maybe I can do it in java" |
| 01:28.14 | Thunder_Child | "but that sounds as pleasant as cheesegrating my testicles" |
| 01:37.51 | Legorol | p3lim: i know quite a lot about localization issues when it comes to special characters, maybe i can help you? |
| 01:38.13 | p3lim | Ait, I have issues with special characters |
| 01:38.34 | mikma | special characters for special person |
| 01:40.14 | Legorol | p3lim: bit more detail plx :) |
| 01:40.56 | p3lim | got a pm from a guy that translated something into zhTW and zhCN for me |
| 01:41.02 | p3lim | I cant copy the characters |
| 01:41.12 | Legorol | ok, so i suppose you got a text file from him? |
| 01:41.16 | p3lim | no |
| 01:41.25 | Legorol | pm on a forum then? |
| 01:41.28 | Legorol | oh i see |
| 01:41.28 | p3lim | yea |
| 01:41.37 | p3lim | im not able to copy the characters |
| 01:41.45 | Legorol | when you say you can't copy them, you mean you select the text in your browser, and you try to copy/paste it into your text editor? |
| 01:41.51 | p3lim | yes |
| 01:42.17 | p3lim | like 'ç¡å¥è£' |
| 01:42.18 | Legorol | all right, to resolve this, we'll have to go through both your broswer's settings and your text editors settings |
| 01:42.27 | p3lim | I can copy |
| 01:42.28 | Legorol | assuming you have a suitable text editor :) |
| 01:42.30 | p3lim | but not paste |
| 01:42.34 | p3lim | notepad++ |
| 01:42.50 | Legorol | if you are on windows, may i suggest you try to paste it into windows's own notepad first? |
| 01:42.53 | p3lim | what charset do I need to use? |
| 01:43.05 | cbreak | can't you just wget the file and copy it from the source? |
| 01:43.09 | p3lim | gives me odd characters |
| 01:43.14 | Legorol | that's a complicated quesiton :) the answer is utf-8 |
| 01:43.15 | cbreak | or even just look at it in a hex editor |
| 01:43.30 | Legorol | it's probably normal that it gives you odd characters |
| 01:43.47 | p3lim | ah ill try utf-8 |
| 01:43.48 | Legorol | does it look something like this: ç¡å¥è£ |
| 01:43.50 | Legorol | oops |
| 01:43.59 | Legorol | but utf-8 is really an encoding, not a charset |
| 01:44.02 | p3lim | using ANSI atm |
| 01:44.41 | Legorol | your problem can lie in any one of these places: the font you are using is unable to display those characters, the charset you are using is wrong, the encoding you are using is wrong |
| 01:45.03 | p3lim | while using utf-8 it still gives me odd characters |
| 01:45.11 | Legorol | let me explain why that is |
| 01:45.16 | cbreak | define odd. |
| 01:45.16 | Legorol | it's probably working as intended |
| 01:45.24 | p3lim | what font would work? |
| 01:45.26 | Legorol | probably this: ç ¡ å ¥ è £ |
| 01:45.32 | p3lim | last one |
| 01:45.54 | Legorol | it doesn't have to look like chinese character in your text editor to work in WoW |
| 01:46.03 | Legorol | in fact, it most likely won't |
| 01:46.26 | Legorol | what you want is to set your text editor to use utf-8 encoding, paste the characters, and save it, even if it looks odd |
| 01:46.29 | cbreak | it'll likely look like a lot of backslashes followed by three digits. |
| 01:46.32 | Thunder_Child | "I am dyslexic of Borg. You will be ass laminated" |
| 01:46.38 | Legorol | cbreak: not when he is directly pasting |
| 01:46.52 | Legorol | \xxx\xxx\xxx is a Lua encoding standard |
| 01:46.58 | cbreak | indeed. |
| 01:46.58 | Legorol | nothing to do with fonts, charsets or file encodings |
| 01:47.05 | cbreak | it's what is supposed to be used |
| 01:47.12 | Legorol | no, that's not true |
| 01:47.17 | Legorol | it's what people often use, but you don't *have to* |
| 01:47.27 | Legorol | WoW parses Lua files as fully UTF-8 compliant |
| 01:47.40 | Legorol | so you can have UTF-8 encoded strings in it |
| 01:47.45 | cbreak | but lua itself doesn't |
| 01:47.52 | cbreak | it just takes any bytestream |
| 01:47.54 | Legorol | that's irrelevant |
| 01:48.02 | Legorol | yes, but that's irrelevant for the current issue at hand |
| 01:48.23 | Legorol | when you want to localize into chinese text, you can't represent it all with \xxx\xxx |
| 01:48.26 | p3lim | is there some place I can see a list of all the standard Lua encoding? |
| 01:48.27 | Legorol | it's not just a few accented chars |
| 01:48.31 | p3lim | \xxx\xxx\xxx stuff |
| 01:48.39 | Legorol | p3lim, no, because there is no such thing |
| 01:48.45 | Legorol | i think you don't understand what the \xxx is then |
| 01:49.03 | p3lim | referances to a charmap or something |
| 01:49.07 | Legorol | no it's not |
| 01:49.31 | cbreak | it's a number. like anything in a computer :) |
| 01:49.34 | Legorol | when you see \123\156 in a Lua file, all it says is: "in this place, there should really be just two bytes, a byte with value 123, and a byte with value 156" |
| 01:49.57 | cbreak | I think it's octal encoded |
| 01:50.09 | Legorol | *shrug* |
| 01:50.13 | Legorol | the principle is the same |
| 01:50.27 | Legorol | i'll demonstrate with an example what i mean |
| 01:50.30 | p3lim | yeah I understand |
| 01:50.37 | p3lim | but is there a list of all that? |
| 01:50.42 | mikma | Thats why i dont support localization =) |
| 01:51.06 | cbreak | if you know the value of the glyphs you want to put in, you can enter them as escapes |
| 01:51.08 | p3lim | deDE and frFR is easy |
| 01:51.13 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.19 | p3lim | but zhCN and zhTW is not |
| 01:51.23 | cbreak | but chinese ones probably use two or more bytes per glyph |
| 01:51.33 | Legorol | ok, here is an example |
| 01:51.53 | Legorol | the hash mark (#) is represented as byte value 35 in a string |
| 01:51.59 | Thunder_Child | "there is this post on the IMDB board asking if saw III has any nudity because they want to know if they can take their kids to it" |
| 01:52.04 | Legorol | in a Lua file, "#" and "\035" are equivalent |
| 01:52.14 | p3lim | yeah i know |
| 01:52.26 | mikma | lololololocales |
| 01:52.34 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: People are retardiculous. |
| 01:52.42 | Legorol | when you are doing localization, you can still enter characters directly |
| 01:52.53 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, i know....i love it |
| 01:52.56 | Legorol | for example, you don't have to enter "\035", you can enter "#" |
| 01:52.57 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 01:52.57 | Thunder_Child | it entertains me |
| 01:53.02 | cbreak | lua> print("\043") |
| 01:53.02 | lua_bot | cbreak: + |
| 01:53.03 | Legorol | this is especially important for chinese localisation |
| 01:53.09 | Legorol | print("\035") |
| 01:53.12 | Legorol | lua> print("\035") |
| 01:53.12 | lua_bot | Legorol: # |
| 01:53.24 | p3lim | but I cant copy/paste it over |
| 01:53.28 | p3lim | tried using utf-8 |
| 01:53.31 | p3lim | still odd signs |
| 01:53.43 | Tekkub | or you could enter them directly and then escape them out when you're done so that someone with a bad editor doesn't fuck them up later |
| 01:53.45 | Legorol | when you are localizing to Chinese, your Lua file must look lke "ç ¡ å ¥ è £ " (without the spaces), or something similar |
| 01:53.52 | Legorol | p3lim: as i said, that is fine |
| 01:54.03 | Legorol | they look like odd signs because your *font* can't display it properly |
| 01:54.13 | p3lim | well name a font that -does- support it |
| 01:54.16 | Legorol | the contents of the file is not affected by how it looks on your screen |
| 01:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | p3lim: what OS? |
| 01:54.31 | Tekkub | hell it's a whole line of lua to esacpe em out... |
| 01:54.32 | Tekkub | local newtext = string.gsub(text, "([\128-\255])", function(c) return "\\"..c:byte(); end) |
| 01:54.33 | p3lim | winxp |
| 01:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | There are language packs that MS provides that gives you the support that you need. |
| 01:55.07 | Legorol | p3lim: i recommend that you copy/paste fro your browser, make sure you save the file as UTF-8, and it will work |
| 01:55.20 | cbreak | windows doesn't have glyph substitution? |
| 01:55.25 | Legorol | if you are worried, you can use Windows' standard notepad |
| 01:55.34 | Legorol | that is fully capable of performing this step |
| 01:55.50 | Legorol | open your Lua file in normal notepad, paste in the chinese text from your browser, and save your Lua file as UTF-8 encoded |
| 01:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 01:56.13 | Legorol | it will most likely look like gibberish chars on your screen, but it will work |
| 01:56.28 | Legorol | oh, and: since your browser can display them, you do have at least one font that has chinese chars |
| 01:56.33 | Legorol | so check what font your browser is set to use |
| 01:56.45 | Thunder_Child | "My lesbian friend Paula once told me that if god didn't intend for it to be eaten, he wouldn't have made it look like a taco. I rest my case." |
| 01:57.00 | p3lim | dunno what font firefox uses |
| 01:57.02 | p3lim | default atleast |
| 01:57.05 | Legorol | cbreak: i'm not sure how you'd do glyph substitution for chinese chars |
| 01:57.14 | Legorol | windows does support a level of glyph substitution |
| 01:57.23 | Legorol | but mostly for Latin-based characters |
| 01:57.33 | cbreak | if a font doesn't have a glyph, just take it from some other |
| 01:57.42 | Thunder_Child | "smuggling drugs into Jamaica is like smuggling slimfast into Ethiopia" |
| 01:58.20 | Legorol | p3lim: check for fonts such as MS Mincho |
| 01:58.38 | Legorol | i found that that one's on almost all windows systems |
| 01:58.44 | Legorol | set your notepad++ to that |
| 01:58.44 | p3lim | dont have it |
| 01:58.50 | p3lim | not Mincho |
| 01:58.56 | Legorol | ok, well, we have two options: |
| 01:59.05 | Legorol | we can try and troubleshoot the font problem and get thigns to work in notepad++ |
| 01:59.12 | Legorol | or you can open standard windows notepad and see what happens there |
| 01:59.23 | Legorol | I'm almost 100% that it will both look fine *and* save fine in the standard notepad |
| 01:59.33 | cbreak | I have a few chinese fonts, å·å® Pro.ttf, åæ仿å®.ttf... |
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| 02:00.05 | p3lim | it doenst look fine in the standard notepad |
| 02:00.07 | Legorol | p3lim: i don't use firefox, so i have no idea how to check it, but surely there are ways to check what fonts are set up in it? |
| 02:00.16 | Tekkub | *cough* |
| 02:00.18 | p3lim | Times New Roman |
| 02:00.21 | Tekkub | don't ever use notepad |
| 02:00.23 | Tekkub | EVAR |
| 02:00.39 | p3lim | but it still looks odd in notepad++ using that font |
| 02:00.57 | Legorol | p3lim: i have copy/pasted the chinese chars from this here IRC window into standard notepad and they looked fine for me |
| 02:01.01 | cbreak | you could just use a hex editor and look at the bytes directly :) |
| 02:01.13 | Legorol | cbreak: he still has to paste the chars into a file and save it somehow first |
| 02:01.15 | p3lim | Legorol: what font do you use in your notepad |
| 02:01.28 | cbreak | why? firefox can save whole pages |
| 02:01.30 | Legorol | cbreak: p3lim's problem is that he is not happy with how it *looks* on the screen when he pastes it into his text editor |
| 02:01.33 | cbreak | no need to paste it |
| 02:01.45 | Legorol | my notepad is set to Lucida Console |
| 02:02.09 | Legorol | but that almost certainly has no chinese chars in it, so most likely glyph substitution is happening on my machine |
| 02:02.37 | Legorol | p3lim: Control Panel -> Regional and Language Options -> Languages tab -> tick the checkboxes under Supplemental language support |
| 02:02.51 | Legorol | in particular, "install files for East Asian languages" |
| 02:03.05 | bleeter | windows glyph substitution is awful up to and including WInXP unless you install every damned font they offer |
| 02:03.10 | bleeter | no idea about Vista |
| 02:03.36 | cbreak | you can't expect it to substitute a glyph you don't have :) |
| 02:03.42 | Legorol | aye |
| 02:03.53 | Legorol | but if it looks fine in firefox, he must have at least one font with the right glyphs |
| 02:04.13 | cbreak | either that, or his contact posted him an image. :) |
| 02:04.25 | Legorol | that's not the case, as he could paste it into this IRC chat |
| 02:04.26 | cbreak | (or he's using safari with web-font feature) |
| 02:04.33 | Legorol | and i could copy/paste from here to my notepad and it looks fine |
| 02:05.24 | p3lim | Legorol: ill try that |
| 02:05.30 | Legorol | p3lim: when you say it doesn't look right, do you get all sorts of different, odd characters, or are you just getting boxes? |
| 02:05.40 | p3lim | just boxes |
| 02:05.46 | Legorol | then it's just a display issue |
| 02:05.52 | Legorol | (due to fonts) |
| 02:05.56 | p3lim | yeah |
| 02:05.57 | Legorol | the file will still save fine |
| 02:06.05 | p3lim | yeah i got that :) |
| 02:06.08 | Legorol | and most likely work in WoW, as long as you set the encoding to UTF-8 |
| 02:06.13 | p3lim | but it would still be nice to actually see it right aswell |
| 02:06.16 | Legorol | true |
| 02:06.20 | Legorol | i agree with you there |
| 02:06.28 | p3lim | as I i cant test different locales |
| 02:06.30 | Legorol | i'd want to have that too :) |
| 02:06.37 | bleeter | cbreak: kinda true, but I'd expect fallback to not break if it hits a missing glyph in the order it's searching.. or something like that not quite sure exactly what the issue ever was just it is PITA |
| 02:06.42 | p3lim | is it possible tho? |
| 02:06.45 | p3lim | must be... |
| 02:07.01 | cbreak | you could use a better text editor :) |
| 02:07.03 | Legorol | yes, because it's working on my winxp in notepad :) |
| 02:07.05 | p3lim | but what you said about the language settings |
| 02:07.16 | Legorol | cbreak: doesn't sound like it's a problem with his text editor, as it's not working for him in standard notepad either |
| 02:07.21 | p3lim | notepad++ |
| 02:07.24 | p3lim | not the default |
| 02:07.26 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 02:07.35 | p3lim | notepad++ is a full-feature text editor |
| 02:07.37 | Legorol | p3lim: i read that |
| 02:07.52 | cbreak | you should try a better editor than that notepad++ |
| 02:07.53 | Legorol | if it's not working in notepad++ nor in standard notepad, then it's an underlying font/windows issue |
| 02:07.59 | p3lim | suggest one and ill test |
| 02:08.00 | Legorol | enable the language settings i told you about and off you go |
| 02:08.07 | Legorol | i already did, MS Mincho |
| 02:08.13 | p3lim | yeah I need to create another winxp cd |
| 02:08.14 | p3lim | not font |
| 02:08.16 | p3lim | text edit |
| 02:08.18 | Legorol | if you enable the settings i just told you about, it will probably get installed on your machine |
| 02:08.34 | Legorol | i don't think any text editor will resolve your problem at this point |
| 02:08.37 | p3lim | it said I had to insert winxp cd |
| 02:08.40 | p3lim | so i have to make one |
| 02:08.41 | Legorol | yes you do |
| 02:08.44 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:08.50 | p3lim | takes me a few min |
| 02:08.55 | Legorol | :) |
| 02:08.56 | Legorol | good luck |
| 02:09.19 | Legorol | all text editors i have ever used on windows rely on windows to do font handling/glyph substitution |
| 02:09.26 | cbreak | if firefox can display it, he has the font. can you paste it into firefox? :) |
| 02:09.33 | Legorol | cbreak: i already suggested that |
| 02:09.42 | Legorol | but p3lim couldn't find out what font firefox is using for the chinese chars |
| 02:09.42 | cbreak | yes. I didn't see his reply |
| 02:09.51 | cbreak | it's in the settings |
| 02:09.52 | p3lim | Legorol: Times New Roman |
| 02:10.09 | Legorol | the setting might say Times New Roman, but Times New Roman doesn't have chinese chars |
| 02:10.10 | cbreak | quite well hidden |
| 02:10.14 | p3lim | i havent tried to paste it back into firefox, no |
| 02:10.21 | p3lim | but I was able to paste it into xchat |
| 02:10.24 | p3lim | (my irc client) |
| 02:10.27 | cbreak | you have to select advanced in "content" |
| 02:10.33 | p3lim | what? |
| 02:10.35 | p3lim | where? |
| 02:10.45 | Legorol | your firefox is getting help and another font is being used behind the scenes (that's what cbreak and I refer to as glyph substitution) |
| 02:10.52 | cbreak | and then select "Traditional Chinese" |
| 02:10.55 | cbreak | and it will show you the font used for that charset |
| 02:11.16 | Legorol | good thing cbreak uses firefox :) |
| 02:11.29 | cbreak | among others :) |
| 02:11.37 | Legorol | <= uses IE and not ashamed of it |
| 02:11.40 | Legorol | yes i get flamed a lot |
| 02:11.44 | cbreak | ... |
| 02:11.51 | cbreak | the last IE 6 user? |
| 02:11.55 | cbreak | or the first IE 8? :) |
| 02:11.58 | p3lim | im able to use the chinese characters all over in firefox, aswell in xchat: ç¡å¥è£ |
| 02:11.59 | Legorol | 7 |
| 02:12.29 | sacarasc | If my font was better, they'd look better. |
| 02:12.37 | sacarasc | s/better/bigger/ |
| 02:13.07 | cbreak | ç¡å¥è£ = e7 84 a1 e5 a5 97 e8 a3 9d |
| 02:13.23 | p3lim | doesnt say anything to me |
| 02:13.28 | p3lim | random numbers and letters |
| 02:13.33 | Legorol | cbreak: that's already utf-8 encoded |
| 02:13.40 | Legorol | by the looks of it |
| 02:13.47 | cbreak | exactly |
| 02:14.00 | cbreak | because his (and my) IRC client use utf-8 |
| 02:14.04 | cbreak | and my shell :) |
| 02:14.25 | p3lim | firefox uses utf-8 |
| 02:14.26 | p3lim | works well |
| 02:14.30 | Legorol | anyway, let's give p3lim time to create that winxp disk and install the language support |
| 02:14.32 | p3lim | notepad++ uses utf-8 |
| 02:14.39 | p3lim | but doesnt show the letters right |
| 02:14.49 | Legorol | that's because encoding, charset and fonts are three separate things |
| 02:14.53 | cbreak | maybe it does it's own font rendering |
| 02:14.53 | p3lim | 84% done burning |
| 02:15.02 | Legorol | cbreak: it doesn't need to |
| 02:15.10 | cbreak | it could |
| 02:15.18 | Legorol | cbreak: p3lim said it doesn't look right for him in standard notepad either |
| 02:15.32 | p3lim | only shows right in firefox and xchat |
| 02:15.35 | Legorol | which it would if he had the proper language support installed in windows (which he will do when his CD is ready) |
| 02:15.41 | cbreak | I think windows is just broken |
| 02:15.50 | p3lim | has it ever been working? |
| 02:15.56 | cbreak | (I thought that yesterday too though... :) |
| 02:16.01 | cbreak | depends on what you want to do with it |
| 02:16.04 | Legorol | p3lim: well, you seem to be chatting just fine from it :) |
| 02:16.20 | cbreak | it has a few nice features |
| 02:16.22 | p3lim | Legorol: thats not a windows product though :) |
| 02:16.24 | Legorol | btw, may i point out that it's unfair to blame the issue on Windows, when the issue is that you didn't have proper language support enabled? |
| 02:16.27 | cbreak | like... shadow copy... and... uhm... |
| 02:16.32 | p3lim | Legorol: show me an IRC client by microsoft! |
| 02:16.40 | Legorol | hehe |
| 02:16.57 | Legorol | or at least i hope that that will have been the issue |
| 02:17.11 | Legorol | (gotta love future perfect) |
| 02:17.13 | cbreak | my World of Warcraft can't display asian language text |
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| 02:17.29 | cbreak | which is weird, since any other application can do it. |
| 02:17.42 | cbreak | I wonder if it's just the lack of input manager support though |
| 02:17.43 | Legorol | cbreak: WoW has its own system for rendering fonts |
| 02:17.56 | cbreak | yes. that's what I thought. |
| 02:18.01 | Legorol | no, WoW has its own fonts, and the localized versions ship with the appropriate ones |
| 02:18.15 | cbreak | but not only that, it doesn't even support entering it |
| 02:18.26 | p3lim | damnit |
| 02:18.27 | Legorol | the localized versions of WoW do |
| 02:18.29 | p3lim | burning went bad |
| 02:18.35 | cbreak | probably |
| 02:18.40 | Legorol | definitely :) i tried korean |
| 02:18.43 | cbreak | p3lim: mount the image :) |
| 02:18.50 | p3lim | yeah |
| 02:18.56 | p3lim | too tired to think :p |
| 02:18.57 | Legorol | cbreak is the winner |
| 02:19.16 | p3lim | faulty cd I just noticed |
| 02:20.44 | Legorol | p3lim: how many boxes showed in your text editor? 3, 6 or 9? |
| 02:20.50 | p3lim | 3 |
| 02:20.54 | p3lim | one per char |
| 02:20.56 | Legorol | ok, that's good news |
| 02:21.05 | kd3 | gah, I hate when it's raining (though we need the rain) |
| 02:21.07 | Legorol | that strengthens the case that it's a font issue :o) |
| 02:21.22 | p3lim | yeah |
| 02:21.33 | p3lim | i tried to copy the chars into notepad, save it |
| 02:21.43 | Legorol | that should end up with a file that is 12 bytes long |
| 02:21.48 | p3lim | close notepad, then open it, copy the chars then paste them into firefox |
| 02:21.51 | Legorol | if you save it as UTF-8 |
| 02:21.52 | p3lim | which worked fine |
| 02:22.01 | Legorol | how big is the file? |
| 02:22.04 | p3lim | ill test |
| 02:22.13 | Legorol | don't press enter at the end of line :o) |
| 02:22.24 | cbreak | "\347\204\241\345\245\227\350\243\235\012" |
| 02:22.41 | p3lim | 12 bytes |
| 02:22.44 | p3lim | whats that cbreak? |
| 02:22.45 | Legorol | cbreak: how the hell can you have \347? |
| 02:22.51 | Legorol | and \350 |
| 02:22.54 | cbreak | why not? |
| 02:23.01 | Legorol | they are supposed to be single bytes |
| 02:23.05 | p3lim | is that the same as ç¡å¥è£ cbreak? |
| 02:23.06 | cbreak | they are |
| 02:23.08 | Legorol | coded in decimal |
| 02:23.08 | cbreak | yes |
| 02:23.12 | cbreak | they are in octal |
| 02:23.17 | p3lim | how did you do that? |
| 02:23.18 | Legorol | Lua uses decimal, not octal |
| 02:23.26 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 02:23.27 | Legorol | p3lim: he converted them manually |
| 02:23.31 | cbreak | no |
| 02:23.32 | p3lim | hm |
| 02:23.35 | cbreak | I asked hexdump to do it :) |
| 02:23.38 | Legorol | well, using some tools, but stil |
| 02:23.47 | p3lim | i need to reboot my comp now |
| 02:23.53 | p3lim | got everything installed |
| 02:24.00 | p3lim | so im back in about 2 min |
| 02:24.01 | Legorol | p3lim: it's not going to help you to learn how to convert it like that, because it's cumbersome |
| 02:24.09 | Legorol | and you will get more localization texts in the future |
| 02:24.09 | p3lim | brb |
| 02:24.17 | Legorol | it's better if you figure out how to just copy/paste those |
| 02:24.22 | p3lim | yea |
| 02:24.41 | Legorol | see you in ab it :) |
| 02:25.09 | Legorol | cbreak: converting to \xxx format will help with this particular string, but p3lim has an entire text |
| 02:25.18 | Legorol | i don't think it's worth the hassle of converting it all to \xxx |
| 02:25.26 | cbreak | well, it can be automated |
| 02:25.34 | Legorol | true |
| 02:25.44 | Legorol | nevertheless, if he can get copy/pasting to produce the right result, that is better |
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| 02:25.55 | Legorol | especially because then a chinese user opening the Lua file will see intelligible text |
| 02:25.57 | cbreak | depends. |
| 02:26.09 | cbreak | I don't like code which is not ascii. :) |
| 02:26.19 | Legorol | i'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 02:26.26 | Legorol | Lua has no sense of ascii or non-ascii |
| 02:26.30 | Legorol | all it has is sequences of bytes |
| 02:26.35 | cbreak | yes. but I do. |
| 02:26.36 | kd3 | sigh. why the hell did they ship bogus versions of instance maps that they've already moved beyond? |
| 02:26.43 | Legorol | how those sequences appear in a text editor is up to you |
| 02:27.33 | Legorol | cbreak: what's this aversion to seeing localized text appearing properly in its intended locale? |
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| 02:28.01 | cbreak | in my opinion, code files should not be localized anyway. |
| 02:28.12 | p3lim | back |
| 02:28.13 | Legorol | but this is presumably a file containing texts |
| 02:28.14 | cbreak | localisation, or any user visible text, should be in extra files |
| 02:28.23 | p3lim | yay |
| 02:28.26 | p3lim | they show up right |
| 02:28.29 | cbreak | in wow's lua that's also a lua file |
| 02:28.32 | Legorol | <= wins the intarwebz |
| 02:28.35 | p3lim | in the standard notepad too! |
| 02:28.58 | p3lim | and from what i can see, using any kind of font |
| 02:29.11 | Legorol | the characters won't be taken from the font you choose though |
| 02:29.14 | p3lim | well, i can see it work on 4 different fonts right now |
| 02:29.16 | Legorol | as most fonts don't contain them |
| 02:29.28 | p3lim | well the 3 fonts I typically use supports it :) |
| 02:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Only for the saved vars |
| 02:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | -only- |
| 02:29.53 | p3lim | Legorol: thanks alot for all the help :) |
| 02:30.03 | Legorol | p3lim: what i meant is, the fonts don't support them, but windows is using a font that does, behind the scenes |
| 02:30.06 | p3lim | and cbreak for the other rant :D |
| 02:30.10 | Legorol | you can try the following test: |
| 02:30.17 | p3lim | Legorol: oh ok |
| 02:30.22 | Legorol | choose some fonts that you know should change the look of things dramatically |
| 02:30.23 | p3lim | but they look a bit different |
| 02:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | gack, bad time to say something like that, afk |
| 02:30.30 | Legorol | like choose an itallic or other weird script |
| 02:30.40 | Legorol | you will notice the chinese chars not change at all |
| 02:30.47 | p3lim | i already use italian in one, and it works |
| 02:30.49 | Legorol | the chars are being pulled from another font behind the scenes |
| 02:30.52 | zenzelezz | I always verify my localization in Wingdings |
| 02:31.17 | p3lim | all that matters is that its working now |
| 02:31.19 | Legorol | p3lim: btw, can you check if you have MS Mincho now as a font? |
| 02:31.31 | p3lim | Yup I do |
| 02:31.34 | cbreak | windows surely stores the fonts at a predefined location in the filesystem |
| 02:31.42 | p3lim | I noticed that pack installed quite a lot new fonts |
| 02:31.46 | cbreak | like /Library/Fonts on os x :) |
| 02:31.50 | Legorol | yes it does |
| 02:31.58 | p3lim | c:\windows\fonts |
| 02:32.19 | Legorol | well more correctly: %systemroot%\fonts |
| 02:32.28 | p3lim | well yeah |
| 02:32.57 | cbreak | \\.\c\windows\fonts? hmm... or was it different? :) |
| 02:33.14 | Legorol | probably c$ |
| 02:33.21 | Legorol | and it doesn't work nowadays |
| 02:33.31 | cbreak | why not? |
| 02:33.34 | Legorol | used to be fun, that one ^^ |
| 02:34.05 | zenzelezz | c$ sounds more like a default-share |
| 02:34.17 | Legorol | cbreak: MS realised the security loophole it's created and the top-level special shares, such as C$, can't be accessed by normal means anymore |
| 02:34.24 | zenzelezz | \\.\<snip> (or was it \\?\<snip>) is UNC |
| 02:35.14 | cbreak | I shall try the next time I touch windows. |
| 02:36.08 | Legorol | cbreak: if you use the Computer Management adiminstrative tool under XP, you will find the following shares: |
| 02:36.25 | Legorol | ADMIN$, C$, D$ ... <one for each drive> .., IPC$ |
| 02:37.05 | Legorol | however, by default, there's a local security policy in affect that denies access to all these except IPC$ from remote machies |
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| 02:47.33 | cbreak | so, finally. |
| 02:47.36 | cbreak | automated conversion :D |
| 02:47.42 | cbreak | echo ç¡å¥è£ | hexdump -e '"\\" 1/1 "%03u" ' gives a nice |
| 02:47.49 | cbreak | 231\132\161\229\165\151\232\163\157\010 |
| 02:48.03 | Thunder_Child | anyone know offhand if the trainable spirit in 3.1 is going to be normal or imp? |
| 02:48.19 | cbreak | trainable spirit? |
| 02:48.30 | Thunder_Child | Divine Spirit is now trainable at level 31. |
| 02:48.45 | Legorol | probably imp |
| 02:48.51 | Legorol | otherwise there's no point to the whole exercise |
| 02:49.19 | Thunder_Child | isnt spirit supposed to be more important with the new regen stuff? |
| 02:49.36 | Legorol | i don't think people specced into the spirit for their own benefit, but usually for raid benefit |
| 02:49.48 | Legorol | when they were holy or shadow |
| 02:49.56 | Legorol | that's true, it could be that one, Thunder_Child |
| 02:50.34 | Legorol | what i fear though is that if imp spirit is default for all priests, then priest will become a "must have class" |
| 02:50.51 | Legorol | it already almost is due to the fortitude buff, most people don't have a warlock using an imp with improved buff |
| 02:50.56 | Thunder_Child | why would it be any more than a mage? |
| 02:51.04 | Thunder_Child | int improves spell dmg |
| 02:51.24 | cbreak | only for speced ones |
| 02:51.40 | Thunder_Child | oh right...beh base is crit |
| 02:51.48 | Thunder_Child | s/beh/meh/ |
| 02:52.02 | cbreak | int is fairly worthless for damage |
| 02:52.11 | Legorol | Thunder_Child: int buff can be provided by warlock pet (in theory) |
| 02:52.22 | cbreak | all it does is give you a minor crit improvement, and of course the increased endurance |
| 02:52.45 | Thunder_Child | i dont think it's so minor |
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| 02:52.55 | Thunder_Child | it's about 7% at 1000 int for me |
| 02:53.11 | Legorol | i think right now with mana regen being a joke, it isn't that important |
| 02:53.17 | Thunder_Child | maybe a little more |
| 02:53.17 | Legorol | but after the regen changes, it will be more important |
| 02:54.10 | cbreak | that's fairly minor |
| 02:54.17 | cbreak | I wonder how much crit agi gives. |
| 02:54.28 | cbreak | hmm... or, no, it doesn't give crit |
| 02:54.31 | cbreak | it gives AP |
| 02:55.03 | Legorol | agi does give crit |
| 02:55.10 | Legorol | it gives AP only for rogues and cats |
| 02:55.18 | Legorol | the amount of agi for 1% crit depends on class |
| 02:55.23 | Legorol | for death knights, it's ~65 |
| 02:55.53 | Legorol | *62.5 |
| 02:55.56 | Legorol | here: |
| 02:55.59 | Legorol | AGI per 1% Crit |
| 02:55.59 | Legorol | Class L. 60 L. 70 L. 80 |
| 02:55.59 | Legorol | Death Knight 20 33 62.5 |
| 02:55.59 | Legorol | Druid 20 25 83.33 |
| 02:55.59 | Legorol | Hunter 33 40 83.33 |
| 02:56.00 | Legorol | Mage 20 25 51.02 |
| 02:56.02 | Legorol | Paladin 20 25 52.08 |
| 02:56.04 | Legorol | Priest 20 25 52.08 |
| 02:56.06 | Legorol | Rogue 29 40 83.33 |
| 02:56.08 | Legorol | Shaman ?? 40 83.33 |
| 02:56.10 | Legorol | Warlock 20 25 50.50 |
| 02:56.12 | Legorol | Warrior 20 33 62.5 |
| 02:56.15 | Thunder_Child | wait what? |
| 02:56.23 | cbreak | so... I get 1% crit for 51 agi! yay... |
| 02:56.37 | Legorol | this is melee crit though :) |
| 02:56.39 | cbreak | too bad my staves hit for less than my pet |
| 02:56.39 | Thunder_Child | thats mele only though right? |
| 02:56.41 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 02:56.41 | Legorol | not spell crit |
| 02:57.06 | Thunder_Child | heh i have 56 agi at 80 |
| 02:57.20 | Legorol | on a different, i'm rather gutter |
| 02:57.39 | Legorol | my Chef de Cuisine achievement claims I only know 150 cooking recipes, where in fact I know 151 |
| 02:57.53 | Legorol | this means I can't get the achievement done without the rogue-only recipe, which i can't get as i'm not a rogue |
| 02:58.03 | Legorol | GM response: working as intended, there are no known issues |
| 02:58.12 | p3lim | new recipes in 3.1 tho |
| 02:58.17 | Legorol | that's not the point |
| 02:58.22 | Legorol | it shouldn't count the recipes wrong |
| 02:58.27 | p3lim | true |
| 02:58.31 | End | there's 161 recipes right now, excluding thistle tea |
| 02:58.36 | cbreak | open a GM ticket that the other GM can't count |
| 02:58.38 | End | you only need 160 |
| 02:58.41 | Legorol | i thought it's 161 with thistle tea |
| 02:58.44 | End | no |
| 02:58.53 | Legorol | hm, i'm pretty sure i counted it at one point |
| 02:58.54 | End | I have 161 on my warlock |
| 02:59.00 | p3lim | I have like 135 recipes myself |
| 02:59.02 | p3lim | cba dailies |
| 02:59.17 | End | (this is where I double check how many I have) |
| 02:59.39 | End | yup 161 |
| 02:59.55 | p3lim | you have 161 recipes? |
| 03:00.04 | End | 161 cooking recipes, yes |
| 03:00.09 | p3lim | .. die |
| 03:00.55 | Legorol | End: strange, wowhead only lists 161, including thistle tea |
| 03:01.02 | Legorol | i'd love to know which one i'm missing |
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| 03:01.12 | p3lim | rather wich one wowhead is missing |
| 03:01.15 | Legorol | yeah |
| 03:01.25 | Legorol | End: how are you counting? manually, or using Ackis? |
| 03:01.35 | p3lim | who counts manually |
| 03:02.00 | Legorol | <= does, because he knows how to do it quickly |
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| 03:02.03 | End | using the statistics window. that could have double counted, I suppose |
| 03:02.06 | Legorol | each scroll of the mousewheel is 3 recipes |
| 03:02.08 | p3lim | i still need a few dailies (4 recipes), the fish feast and some horde recipes |
| 03:02.08 | p3lim | :/ |
| 03:02.14 | Legorol | End: the statistics window can be flowed |
| 03:02.22 | Legorol | as i haev just said, the achievement only shows 150 |
| 03:02.24 | End | well, I have them all |
| 03:02.30 | End | arl isn't aware of any I don't have |
| 03:02.33 | Legorol | and in the past, the achievement has shown 2 more than i actually had |
| 03:02.36 | End | (other than thistle) |
| 03:02.44 | Legorol | would you mind counting manually? |
| 03:02.47 | End | (and you have to force it to show thistle if you aren't a rogue) |
| 03:02.51 | Legorol | you can do it quickly like this: |
| 03:03.02 | Legorol | each scroll with mousewheel (or click on the down arrow) is 3 recipes |
| 03:03.17 | p3lim | click, count and multiply |
| 03:03.18 | Legorol | so keep scrolling (or clicking) and count the number of those |
| 03:03.25 | Legorol | yup |
| 03:03.26 | p3lim | brb cig |
| 03:03.35 | Legorol | juust be careful on the last (partial) scroll |
| 03:03.36 | End | I suppose I could look |
| 03:03.42 | Legorol | and the header |
| 03:03.46 | Legorol | there's one line for the header |
| 03:03.57 | End | hm, or not |
| 03:04.01 | End | I'm stuck on authenticating |
| 03:04.09 | Tekkub | GetNumTradeSkills() - number of headers :P |
| 03:04.35 | Legorol | Warning! Unknown lifeform detected. Access to historical archives denied to Endcoder. |
| 03:04.55 | Legorol | Tekkub: there's only 1 in cooking, so it's not that hard to count them :P |
| 03:05.10 | End | how were you counting them on wowhead? |
| 03:05.21 | Legorol | wowhead lists 170 known spells under cooking |
| 03:05.43 | Legorol | i counted the ones that are pseudo (campfire and the cooking skills themselves such as artisan/master), and there are 2 at the end which aren't actually in-game |
| 03:06.57 | p3lim | meh ill back to fishing then |
| 03:08.48 | p3lim | server transfers sucks |
| 03:08.57 | p3lim | I know one person on this new realm :/ |
| 03:09.18 | Lukian | that's the point? |
| 03:09.35 | Lukian | to get away from all the idiots on your home realm and befriend new ones! |
| 03:10.53 | Tekkub | idiots is still idiots |
| 03:10.53 | p3lim | :p |
| 03:10.59 | p3lim | QFT |
| 03:11.28 | Thunder_Child | hmm...is there a blizzcon post up yet? |
| 03:14.30 | End | hm, ok |
| 03:14.37 | End | I guess a lot of people can't get on either |
| 03:14.43 | Thunder_Child | i can |
| 03:14.54 | End | I didn't say all people |
| 03:15.10 | Thunder_Child | obviously i dont fail as much as you do then |
| 03:15.35 | End | that's not obvious at all |
| 03:15.46 | Thunder_Child | how do you figure? |
| 03:15.54 | End | nobody knew I failed until I said something |
| 03:15.58 | End | I had to clue people in |
| 03:16.05 | Thunder_Child | it's a passive effect |
| 03:16.28 | End | failing might be passive |
| 03:16.33 | End | but the obviousness is not |
| 03:16.38 | Legorol | gnight people, happy failing |
| 03:16.52 | End | I blame Legorol |
| 03:16.57 | Thunder_Child | well it's obvious after you mention it then |
| 03:17.05 | End | I wouldn't have known I was failing if I hadn't tried to log in |
| 03:19.58 | End | hm |
| 03:20.44 | Thunder_Child | right, but i said it after you did |
| 03:22.12 | End | yeah, well, ignorance was bliss |
| 03:23.46 | Thunder_Child | cant argue with that |
| 03:24.11 | Thunder_Child | i mean i could...i'm just not going to |
| 03:25.20 | bleeter | haha http://www.wowhead.com/?item=192 has made a comeback |
| 03:25.38 | kd3 | wow, only 226 fap? |
| 03:25.52 | WobWork | ... it looks like a glowy dildo |
| 03:25.55 | bleeter | yeah it's a bit.. odd .. in that regard yeah? lol |
| 03:26.27 | Thunder_Child | kd3, fap, not a good acronym |
| 03:26.56 | kd3 | which is why I delight in using it |
| 03:27.13 | Thunder_Child | and here i thought you were better than that |
| 03:28.00 | kd3 | gah, what's up with auth? |
| 03:28.13 | End | kd3: you fail like me! |
| 03:28.21 | End | (Blizzard fails) |
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| 03:29.19 | Kraps | help, i'm stuck at "authenticating" |
| 03:29.37 | bleeter | yeah hopefully they're fixing the AUthenticator hole |
| 03:29.57 | Kraps | is there a problem? |
| 03:29.59 | bleeter | but I somehow doubt it >< |
| 03:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11112&sid=1 |
| 03:30.22 | kd3 | I find I can only use it once a minute when trying to log in to the game, nowadays (on the PTR at least when I've been getting d/c'd after logging in) |
| 03:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | WALL OF LOCKED THREADS |
| 03:30.43 | bleeter | kd3: tried website then game? |
| 03:30.54 | kd3 | neg. that still broken? |
| 03:30.55 | Corrodias | three thousand people who post without reading the existing threads |
| 03:31.14 | Kraps | erm, i dont have an authenticator |
| 03:31.41 | bleeter | kd3: ain't tried for a few weeks... I should though, get the fraps and all so when my AusCERT talk comes round I've actually got the screens ;) |
| 03:31.44 | Kraps | oh now, could not log in. please try snother time |
| 03:32.09 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: oh wow |
| 03:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | told you |
| 03:33.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.50 | End | hrm |
| 03:34.53 | End | it suddenly worked |
| 03:35.27 | Kraps | yays! |
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| 03:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Another time I did the same trip alone. When I was in Connecticut (around 28 hours or so non-stop driving) I started drifting to the side of the road. I was too tired. But the thought crossed my mind that should I crash into a telephone pole, it was no big deal. I would just respawn. I pulled over after that and had a couple hours sleep. Normally I can't see how people might confuse video games with real-life, but given enough sleep deprivati |
| 03:42.25 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: did you just blow up US GM forum?! |
| 03:42.31 | End | yes |
| 03:42.33 | MentalPower | "but given enough sleep deprivati" |
| 03:42.36 | End | it was him |
| 03:42.37 | bleeter | bad bad ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | dep.. anything is possible. |
| 03:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't get much cut off there it seems |
| 03:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I would if I could |
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| 03:52.45 | Duman | hmm |
| 03:53.50 | Duman | forums kaput |
| 03:53.55 | Duman | (wow forums) |
| 03:54.07 | Duman | oh there they go |
| 03:54.11 | bleeter | I blame ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:54.11 | Duman | sort of |
| 03:54.20 | Duman | I always blame sbo |
| 03:54.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:54.24 | Duman | I mean, hi |
| 03:54.25 | Duman | :) |
| 03:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a pretty good person to blame |
| 03:54.41 | bleeter | well it's usually Cide's fault... 'cept.. in this case... we have evidence |
| 03:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But I find it funny that WoW likely has the single *largest* technically inclined community |
| 03:55.11 | End | versus what? |
| 03:55.12 | ScytheBlade1 | And the most effective method of communication with their playerbase is a web forum that is nearly impossible to moderate |
| 03:55.25 | Duman | heh |
| 03:55.45 | bleeter | I just think it has a large tech community because it's community in general is large. doesn't mean the S/N ratio changes |
| 03:56.04 | mikma | s/m |
| 03:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I think when you reduce the chance for people to post crap, S:N improves :) |
| 03:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Take the PTR forum |
| 03:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Nuke it from orbit to be sure |
| 03:56.21 | Duman | heh |
| 03:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Replace it with a glorified WoW version of digg |
| 03:56.28 | kd3 | this round I wish it got nuked from orbit |
| 03:56.35 | kd3 | s/got/would get/ |
| 03:57.04 | bleeter | I ain't bothered with this PTR coz they ain't been trying to fix the shizz I give a damn about and it would take me 2.5 hours of waiting to test it anyways |
| 03:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Really, imagine for a minute of you had two main sections |
| 03:57.13 | bleeter | well afaik they ain't been trying |
| 03:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | One with topics started by Blizz, or the community that the blues liked |
| 03:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | People voted up/down, but limited discussion abilities |
| 03:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Another which was entirely player driven |
| 03:58.23 | mikma | hmmm, i should do wowinternet.com and start competing with wowinterface! |
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| 04:03.00 | bleeter | so should lvl 19's be removed from STV Arena, because it's not designed for them... even if it's say 6AM and there's no one else going for the loots? |
| 04:03.34 | bleeter | kraftman: please don't /me on /away |
| 04:03.48 | kraftman | :o |
| 04:03.59 | kraftman | i just pressed alt + a :'( |
| 04:04.50 | bleeter | if it's your IRC client's default behaviour (a) fix it or (b) get a real IRC client :P |
| 04:05.01 | kraftman | what would you suggest |
| 04:05.05 | kraftman | which* |
| 04:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: no, because their presence won't adversely change the outcome. |
| 04:06.07 | mikma | (b) |
| 04:06.09 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: and if tenacity were fixed so it didn't include lowbies in the calcs.. there'd be no need to remove them. |
| 04:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | sure there would, they can still man vehicles and turrets |
| 04:06.53 | bleeter | tenacity's well bugged anyways, so I just don't see how they can't fix both at the same time |
| 04:07.13 | bleeter | and what's the problem with me rolling a DK so I can go be a gunner for a mate on a diff realm one game once a week ? |
| 04:07.42 | ScytheBlade1 | There isn't one (aside from what could consider the level difference) |
| 04:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But if we have fleets of level one alts, they can just walk up to the guns, hop in, and never fire |
| 04:08.15 | ScytheBlade1 | They're already mucking with tenacity, so two for one |
| 04:08.57 | bleeter | i've seen plenty of 80's never fire a gun |
| 04:09.15 | bleeter | hell, I've seen 80's drive off in totally the wrong direction and just shoot at their friends on their own side |
| 04:09.33 | bleeter | being a total dick isn't restricted to lowbies |
| 04:09.35 | bleeter | 14:30 < ScytheBlade1> WALL OF LOCKED THREADS |
| 04:09.40 | bleeter | bah bad paste soz lol |
| 04:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | "Can we get a summon stone?" "I don't have that.." |
| 04:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why it is probably just easiest to remove "low levels" from the zone and let the tards continue being tards |
| 04:12.07 | bleeter | that doesn't make any sense |
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| 04:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | All right then, angle B |
| 04:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're in a zone 10 levels above your character level, chances are you are either passing through, or you really have no business being there (capital cities being the exception) |
| 04:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Great, working as intended |
| 04:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That changes with Wintergrasp, where someone in a zone 75 levels, there mere presence can be adversely disruptive to the others in the zone |
| 04:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | --> it is a bug |
| 04:14.16 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: @ [string "it is a bug"]:1: '=' expected near 'is' |
| 04:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid batbot |
| 04:14.45 | End | haha |
| 04:14.58 | NightHawkTheSane | batbot > ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I use --> a lot in some conversations |
| 04:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | This is the only place where it bites me :( |
| 04:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | I use your mom a lot, whats your point? :P |
| 04:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | *is in a zone 75 levels above their own |
| 04:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | This migraine is fun |
| 04:16.15 | Thunder_Child | sounds like it |
| 04:19.22 | Thunder_Child | "I've been killing pimps all day and still don't have enough money for that sword of light." |
| 04:19.23 | Thunder_Child | "the hell are you playing, GTA: Middle Earth?" |
| 04:19.36 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1157/20090217.gif |
| 04:22.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i suspect that would be slightly more amusing if i read... what is that, danish? |
| 04:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:22.59 | m35 | Would anyone happen to know what the ManageBackpackTokenFrame() function used in ContainerFrame.lua does? It was first added to the code in the 3.0.2.8905 enUS BETA - WotLK release. Running it manually doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 04:26.10 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: the only reason a level 1 is 'disruptive' in WG is because tenacity is coded up real bad |
| 04:26.25 | bleeter | seriously, a world PvP zone, akin to replacing SS/TM battles... |
| 04:26.41 | bleeter | ... lame that there's no world pvp zone for all comers |
| 04:26.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Except for the part where SS/TM were 100% player driven with zero external factors |
| 04:27.10 | ScytheBlade1 | A level one there would have as much use back then as they would in Icecrown trying to quest |
| 04:28.02 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: have you ever studied any form of military strategy? there's a need for cannon fodder in every army, and you never put your most powerful weapons up as cannon fodder unless you want to lose the war |
| 04:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious where the link between that and low levels in wintergrasp (or SS/TM) comes into play |
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| 04:30.50 | bleeter | cannon fodder can draw fire away from the big guns... what you're essentially saying is that WG is not World PvP, but a zoned BG |
| 04:32.44 | bleeter | removing low levels won't fix tenacity from being bugged and exploitable in pretty much the same way, anyways |
| 04:33.14 | bleeter | *same way as it is right now |
| 04:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | A level one is going to be ignored entirely next to an 80. Or at least, that is how it SHOULD be. RL cannon fodder can still use lethal weapons, but no matter how hard that level two rogue pokes me my *mage* isn't going to either notice or care |
| 04:33.55 | Corrodias | any of you want a versus game of l4d with a bunch of strangers? |
| 04:34.37 | Corrodias | ah, we got an eigth finally, as soon as he's done going out to buy a new mouse. >_> |
| 04:34.38 | ScytheBlade1 | The fact that someone so incredibly low level has the power to seriously offset the balance of power between a very large number of very very high level characters is in fact (imo) broken |
| 04:34.56 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: your mage may not care, but if 1 of your team mates takes 2 seconds to go 'oh noes sbos getting hit I'll help him.. oh wait it's all OK', it's a valid strategy of distraction |
| 04:35.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ....... |
| 04:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't know who I ran with haha |
| 04:37.41 | Arrowmaster | do you use molten armor when pvping? |
| 04:37.43 | bleeter | I'm still failing to see how the inclusion of lowbies in the tenacity calcs mean lowbies should be removed, not tenacity be tuned accordingly (while being fixed for the other exploits it makes possible atm which tbh are a heck of a lot easier to take advantage of than the lowbie thing) |
| 04:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | To put it another way, you'd have a VERY hard time convincing me that their first 'real world PvP come one come all' was meant to include players outside of the zone level (77-80) |
| 04:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: I have quick access to all of my armors, I can switch pretty liberally as needed |
| 04:38.27 | cog|away | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21062 <-- Now with windows installer for dummies ;) |
| 04:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: because it is an easier fix probably? |
| 04:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: holy crap |
| 04:39.01 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: look at the back of the wrath box... 'lay siege to your enemies'... not 'if you're max level you can lay siege to other max level enemies' |
| 04:40.17 | Arrowmaster | if a lvl 1 gets invited to a raid group, will they get hks and rank up? |
| 04:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | you're grasping at straws here, the entire expansion was advertised around 'leveling to 80.' You don't see them advertising "new 25, 10, and 5-man dungeons" as "if and only if your are of the correct level" - it is implied |
| 04:40.50 | bleeter | what's even more annoying at the moment, I think, is that no one from blizz can say what level and below they're removing |
| 04:41.31 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: see comment above about using a DK to once a week go be a gunner for a buddy on a realm I don't have a main on |
| 04:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cool. have at it. |
| 04:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Shades of grey of difference between that and swarming the other side in low-level chars for the sole purpose of roflstomping them |
| 04:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/northrend/worldmap.xml |
| 04:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Wintergrasp |
| 04:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Level Range: 77-80 |
| 04:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | They don't advertise Uldar as "come get the next ilevel of epics IF YOU MEET THE LEVEL REQS" they just advertise it as new bosses and loot, nothing about the character level needed to do so |
| 04:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It is implied that you must be max level to do so |
| 04:44.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It is pretty darn safe that they created WG around the concept of people being a certain level, and like everything else in the game, didn't feel a need to stick a level disclaimer on it |
| 04:46.42 | bleeter | right, so it's zoned BG and not world PvP.... I'm still waiting to hear what level and below they'll be actively removing |
| 04:49.19 | m35 | Oh there it is, in Blizzard_TokenUI.lua |
| 04:53.14 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/031509/the-more-graphs-you-make.gif |
| 04:57.14 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15668071374&sid=1 |
| 04:57.20 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.25 | bleeter | just off the presses |
| 04:57.38 | bleeter | that's perfect, I can DK it up with my buddy still :D |
| 04:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | yey hotfix |
| 04:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | My bets were on either 70 (for the continent) or 77 (for the zone) |
| 04:59.11 | Thunder_Child | why would the portal still work down to 50 though? |
| 05:00.01 | bleeter | 50's odd, true... 55 for a DK maybe something about getting some PvP gear together, by 50 there's enough about that maybe it's kinda worthwhile |
| 05:00.10 | bleeter | odd, but acceptible :) |
| 05:07.44 | m35 | Ok now does anyone know what a "Token", "TokenUI", "TokenFrame" or "BackpackTokenFrame" is referring to? |
| 05:08.28 | NeoTron | cog|away: ah nice. I never did much BBSing as a kid because in Sweden we didn't have unlimited phone calls.. |
| 05:08.57 | NightHawkTheSane | "You're on CNN! The show that leads in to my show is puppets making crank phone calls! what is WRONG with you?" <3 jon stewart |
| 05:11.41 | Nechckn | okay... silly tile.. anyone know what is wrong with - /run SetBindingClick("MOUSEWHEELUP","CameraZoomIn") ? |
| 05:12.02 | Nechckn | s/tile/time/ |
| 05:12.32 | Nechckn | have a user that is using mouseup for some other function, then wants to change back to the "usual" |
| 05:12.37 | Nechckn | but it's not working |
| 05:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Nechckn: no quotes on the function name? |
| 05:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh no that takes a button name |
| 05:15.08 | ScytheBlade1 | duh, SetBindingClick |
| 05:15.12 | Nechckn | yeah... I really don't know I am all scratching my tired head |
| 05:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd suggest iterating over all existing mousewheel related bindings and seeing what is bound |
| 05:18.15 | bleeter | do totems still dodge? |
| 05:30.20 | Nechckn | I *think* so, bleeter |
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| 05:50.12 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: it just ocurred to me why minimum 50. A DK going on to a buddy's realm may offer to do an instance or two with said buddy's 'lowbie' (ie, near 55-58 char) |
| 05:52.15 | Kraps | 2 wipes so far on a 25 sarth pug |
| 05:55.11 | bleeter | please tell me it's +2D or +3D |
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| 06:13.42 | Kraps | 4 wipes, i left |
| 06:13.48 | Kraps | and no |
| 06:14.28 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.42 | Kraps | what part of "watch the flame walls" is hard to understand? |
| 06:16.13 | bleeter | dunno how you do it on your realm, but on mine there's just two commands the RL gives. 'FORWARD' and "BACK". raid marker above someone who knows what they're doing and it's VERY hard to screw up. |
| 06:16.25 | Kraps | at 60% half the raid is dead |
| 06:16.30 | kd3 | it's 'close' and 'away' for us |
| 06:16.52 | Kraps | maybe we needed vent |
| 06:17.18 | bleeter | nah just a rail leader with two macros bound to /RW CLOSE and /RW AWAY |
| 06:17.22 | bleeter | ^^ just fer you, kd3 ;) |
| 06:18.07 | Kraps | guild has "melee move" or "ranged move" |
| 06:19.21 | Kraps | <-- OT |
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| 06:20.47 | bleeter | I'd go with forward/close back/away, 'coz then if ranged somehow get in close with melee they don't end up all confused as to what's needed of them, but that's just me imo |
| 06:21.09 | Kraps | people also need to learn to strafe |
| 06:21.19 | bleeter | well, yeah, that too |
| 06:21.23 | Kraps | good for sarth and heigan |
| 06:22.16 | bleeter | while talking 10+ strategies, anyone got any hot tips on how to deal with EoE magic bubbles when one's on top of another, and the removal/replacement of the protection buff + latency = death |
| 06:22.43 | kd3 | it's easy. have everyone /follow someone who's connection won't flake out during the fight |
| 06:22.47 | bleeter | that's to say, for all appearances one should be protected but it'd appear for a split second when moving between shields within each other, you're not proected at all as the buffs adjust to which shield yer in |
| 06:22.47 | Kraps | at heigan i face the platform so i can split the room into 4 |
| 06:23.21 | bleeter | heigan I play about .5-.75s ahead of the game so I beat the latency |
| 06:23.38 | Kraps | ahead of the game? |
| 06:25.50 | bleeter | if you rely on the visual cues, the combined latency between singapore, US and Tasmania seems to kill me. i seem to have to go ahead of the visual cues by about .5 to .75s to ensure I don't die. similar to the above EoE latency issue :/ |
| 06:26.19 | bleeter | WTB: Distributed MMO where Blizz can house some servers here without having to have a mega datacentre and staff |
| 06:26.31 | bleeter | mind you, I'd still offer to staff it here hahaha |
| 06:26.54 | Kraps | you live in all 3 places? :p |
| 06:27.21 | bleeter | most of the guild is in .sg, I'm in .tas.gov.au zone, blizz in US. |
| 06:27.49 | Kraps | ah |
| 06:27.56 | Kraps | well, night all |
| 06:28.02 | bleeter | so effectively for me and my guildies interaction, it requires Tas->US->SG->US->Tas, which is close to orbiting the planet ;) |
| 06:28.05 | bleeter | gnight mate rest well |
| 06:28.17 | bleeter | *close to the distance of orbiting |
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| 06:43.40 | kd3 | bleeter: "Level restrictions have been applied to Lake Wintergrasp. Only players level 70 or higher can count towards the tenacity tally or obtain the tenacity buff and get credit for victory or defeat. In addition, only players level 50 or higher will be able to use the portal to Wintergrasp." |
| 06:43.48 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15668071374&sid=1 |
| 06:45.39 | kd3 | Bibi`, poke. you may want to mention that too. ^ |
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| 06:51.23 | Xinhuan | hey bleeter, did you just say most of your guild is in .sg? |
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| 07:30.52 | bleeter | Xinhuan: yeah, .sg based. RL friends they are, their timezone on Oceanic realms make it a more friendly raid time for me :) |
| 07:31.05 | Xinhuan | which server? |
| 07:31.07 | bleeter | they say they're RL, there's no doubt some others too |
| 07:31.08 | Xinhuan | i'm sg too |
| 07:31.11 | bleeter | Gundrak, Oceanic |
| 07:31.16 | bleeter | Horde |
| 07:31.17 | Xinhuan | mmm |
| 07:31.19 | Xinhuan | blackrock |
| 07:32.01 | bleeter | we've full cleared 10 man, not enough guildies for 25. would be nice to go full 25 for 3.1, but don't think it's gunna happen. |
| 07:32.19 | bleeter | not to say we aren't trying to recruit, just small server = small talent pool |
| 07:32.28 | bleeter | realm's just over 3 months old |
| 07:32.35 | Xinhuan | is gundrak one of those new servers? |
| 07:32.41 | Xinhuan | or recently new ones |
| 07:32.53 | Xinhuan | yeah ok |
| 07:32.55 | bleeter | yeah brought in to alleviate predicted Wrath load on Oceanic realms, Nov 23 2008 from memory |
| 07:33.18 | Xinhuan | hope for more free xfers in |
| 07:33.51 | bleeter | think tyhey've had 3 rounds so far, will prolly be end of year before they look at it again |
| 07:34.04 | bleeter | when all the big realms get crowded over our summer school hols |
| 07:34.16 | Xinhuan | consider a gmerge if not grecruiting ;p |
| 07:35.14 | bleeter | anything's possible, I guess. you running .sg guild on BR? |
| 07:35.28 | Xinhuan | ya, there's several on BR |
| 07:35.41 | Xinhuan | its the "official" oceanic server since 2004 |
| 07:35.43 | bleeter | i'll let the officers and guild leader know |
| 07:35.44 | bleeter | yar |
| 07:37.26 | bleeter | we renamed last week 'coz the old guildmaster quit wow and even refused to mail blizz saying our officers would ask for guild leadership transfer :( |
| 07:37.41 | bleeter | so I think we're still 'missing' a few from our ranks, as we had a quiet one this weekend |
| 07:37.47 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 07:37.55 | bleeter | http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Gundrak&n=Et%C3%A9rnity&p=1 |
| 07:37.57 | Shirik|AFK | piss him off or something bleeter? |
| 07:38.08 | Shirik|AFK | or is that just how you aussies are |
| 07:38.11 | bleeter | Shirik|AFK: he quit before I joined, smartass :P |
| 07:38.22 | Xinhuan | you're a mage? |
| 07:38.26 | Shirik|AFK | I'm confused |
| 07:38.50 | bleeter | Xinhuan: I'm Ghwer in that guild, resto druid |
| 07:39.05 | bleeter | no idea what I'm doing, 'cept stealing Lisanna's spec ;) |
| 07:39.21 | Xinhuan | /chuckle |
| 07:39.30 | Xinhuan | my guild's alliance btw ;p |
| 07:40.16 | Xinhuan | naxx25 is so ridiculously easy >.> |
| 07:40.16 | bleeter | :P |
| 07:40.22 | Xinhuan | there's about 20 pugs weekly |
| 07:40.37 | Xinhuan | at least 5 of those are "gdkp" runs |
| 07:40.43 | bleeter | yeah server don't have the pop to pug naxx25 |
| 07:40.57 | bleeter | well, not without having to rely on 10 idiots to hopefully not wipe the raid constantly on thad |
| 07:40.57 | Xinhuan | where people bid with gold on items, and the gold pot is split at the end of raid evenly |
| 07:41.38 | Xinhuan | i think blizzard putting "easy mode" and "hard mode" on the same fight helps weaker guilds to learn the bosses to enter/try for hard mode |
| 07:41.48 | Xinhuan | compared to say 4 years ago when a boss - was just that hard |
| 07:41.53 | Xinhuan | that a weak guild had no chance at all |
| 07:42.09 | bleeter | you mean, no more months and months in UBRS and still failing? ;) |
| 07:42.15 | bleeter | yeah that's def. a step forwards for blizz :) |
| 07:42.18 | kd3 | lol |
| 07:42.28 | Xinhuan | lol ubrs >.> |
| 07:42.33 | Xinhuan | remember that 20-man zerg? |
| 07:42.49 | Xinhuan | and that 2 hour respawn |
| 07:42.50 | Xinhuan | is terrible |
| 07:43.10 | bleeter | only reason i've not got UBRS achievements on my 'later than BC start' toons |
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| 07:43.33 | bleeter | is I'd rather slice my willy open with a carving knife than go back to those memories of the wipes and never ever ever getting my tier piece |
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| 07:46.25 | Thunder_Child | yaaaa....i disagree bleeter |
| 07:46.36 | bleeter | with? |
| 07:46.51 | Thunder_Child | "I'd rather slice my willy open with a carving knife than go back to those memories of the wipes and never ever ever getting my tier piece" |
| 07:48.28 | Xinhuan | its actually fun to return to instances and seeing if you can underman it |
| 07:48.38 | Shirik | I have to agree with Thunder_Child on this one |
| 07:48.48 | End | UBRS is pretty easy to solo at 80 |
| 07:48.56 | bleeter | yeah I gotta say, since they killed off the attunement foo, though, it does feel more attractive |
| 07:48.58 | End | although I did get a helper for the tier 0.5 piece |
| 07:49.14 | End | lord valathak or whatever his name is..he's hard with one person |
| 07:49.14 | NightHawkTheSane | As a guildy put it earlier today, after seeing a pug kill vashj. "I guess even monkeys can do this shit these days" |
| 07:49.30 | kd3 | pugs can kill vashj now!? |
| 07:49.37 | kd3 | ! |
| 07:49.41 | Shirik | almost |
| 07:49.46 | bleeter | I hear 2nd boss MGT is a bitch to solo at 80 |
| 07:49.54 | bleeter | kd3: pugs can kill hogger ssshhh |
| 07:50.02 | End | I believe it |
| 07:50.11 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: actually he is. >.> he puts out a surprising amount of damage |
| 07:50.19 | Shirik | My guild still hasn't cleared hogger |
| 07:50.33 | End | mgt was a bit harder than the normal heroics (partially because it was added late I guess..) |
| 07:50.41 | bleeter | I need to register a few 'Deaths to Hogger' on my achievements |
| 07:50.56 | Shirik | is that really on stats? |
| 07:50.59 | Arrowmaster | are we talking normal MGT or heroic? |
| 07:51.00 | End | yes |
| 07:51.02 | bleeter | trying to get that at 80, though, might be fun |
| 07:51.03 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 07:51.06 | bleeter | Shirik: yar |
| 07:51.09 | End | killing mr. biggleworth is in there too |
| 07:51.21 | End | but it doesn't seem to work properly |
| 07:51.22 | bleeter | I guess you could dual someone, then aggro him at the end of the duel when you're at 100HP or something |
| 07:51.28 | Xinhuan | you'll soon discover that trying to 4-man vaelastrasz is almost too hard |
| 07:51.30 | kd3 | just drown yourself |
| 07:51.34 | kd3 | that's how I did it |
| 07:51.36 | Xinhuan | :p |
| 07:51.41 | bleeter | kd3: hax!!! |
| 07:51.56 | Xinhuan | with BA every 15 secs, you just can't put out enough dps to kill him before you die hehe |
| 07:51.56 | End | yeah, well, kd3 also has one of the world few 'deaths by bigglesworth' too, although Blizzard isn't recording -that- |
| 07:52.17 | End | but screenshot says it happened |
| 07:52.21 | bleeter | wut? |
| 07:52.22 | bleeter | hang on |
| 07:52.28 | bleeter | I gotta scrollback now I missed something |
| 07:52.47 | End | I think kd3 likes getting killed by strange things |
| 07:52.51 | End | that's my theory |
| 07:52.54 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Mr._Bigglesworth_kills.png |
| 07:53.00 | bleeter | I tyhink kd3 IS a strange thing |
| 07:53.03 | bleeter | that's my theory |
| 07:53.04 | Thunder_Child | AND YOUR STICKING TO IT |
| 07:53.28 | kd3 | "think"? I figure it's been pretty conclusively proven at this point |
| 07:54.09 | bleeter | oh right, yeah... I had a frog critter type kill a lvl 10 BE or something early in BC I was 'wtf?' |
| 07:54.51 | bleeter | critter dmg is bad, almost as bad as duelling outside SW and letting a mob spawn underneath you and backstab you when you're at 4HP and you're level 60 and it's lvl 5 or whatever, it still has a chance to 1 shot you >< |
| 07:55.00 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 07:55.01 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 07:55.05 | Xinhuan | you know how blizz records all your damage/healing done? |
| 07:55.12 | Xinhuan | i wonder if they have any effect on server stress |
| 07:55.37 | Arrowmaster | they have been recording that for a long time though |
| 07:55.52 | Xinhuan | i was like... how is my "largest hit done" 160k |
| 07:56.00 | selckin | bomming quests for the win |
| 07:56.10 | kd3 | probably not much. they pulled the character stats almost immediately because those stats were taking servers to their knees |
| 07:56.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah that stat is fucking useless |
| 07:56.19 | Xinhuan | i believe it is from using a bronze drake in occulus, on a 10 stack |
| 07:56.42 | Xinhuan | then it says i have healed 30 mil damage as a mage |
| 07:56.49 | End | I wonder how often it talks to the server, and how the values are moved around...client side I see the number change immediately |
| 07:56.56 | Xinhuan | i suppose it counted all that healing done in occulus and malygos dragons |
| 07:57.03 | selckin | judge of light! :p |
| 07:57.06 | Xinhuan | on vehicles |
| 07:57.10 | bleeter | is it still showing arena participation for folks who've never stepped inside a single arena in their life? |
| 07:57.12 | Arrowmaster | bandages |
| 07:57.21 | Xinhuan | yeah but 30 million dmage of bandages? lol |
| 07:57.24 | Xinhuan | i'm a mage! |
| 07:57.26 | selckin | it shows all kinds of wrong stats for me |
| 07:57.36 | Xinhuan | Largest heal cast: 101963 |
| 07:57.36 | selckin | it still thinks i do 120 daily quests on average |
| 07:57.39 | End | hm my total healing is 160 million...but I play a warlock, so tons of self healing |
| 07:57.39 | bleeter | at least it updates more frequently now than in BC |
| 07:57.45 | Xinhuan | definitely can do that much in maly p3 |
| 07:57.49 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: hp/5 when it showed in the combatlog? ok that was a very long time ago |
| 07:57.52 | Xinhuan | or maybe its that Thyrm quest last stage |
| 07:57.53 | Tewan | Shirik: does the current WoWUI Manager work? |
| 07:57.59 | Shirik | probably not |
| 07:58.02 | Tewan | D: |
| 07:58.07 | Shirik | it might |
| 07:58.20 | Shirik | it hasn't intentionally been disabled |
| 07:58.59 | Tewan | hmm |
| 07:59.01 | Tewan | seems to be working |
| 08:00.18 | Tewan | Yeah, it's working for now :D |
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| 08:07.17 | Shirik|AFK | so Tewan, as I was saying, it might work, dunno |
| 08:07.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|AFK] by ChanServ |
| 08:07.25 | Shirik|AFK | and this router is so pathetic |
| 08:07.28 | Shirik|AFK | I have to reset it like every hour |
| 08:07.29 | Tewan | <Tewan> Yeah, it's working for now :D |
| 08:07.36 | Tewan | Shirik, what kind of router? |
| 08:07.46 | Shirik|AFK | A 9-year-old Linksys |
| 08:07.52 | Tewan | oh, gawd |
| 08:07.57 | Tewan | First, Linksys |
| 08:07.57 | Tewan | :P |
| 08:08.01 | Shirik|AFK | it needs to be replaced, that's my objective tomorrow |
| 08:08.03 | Shirik|AFK | Hey linksys is good |
| 08:08.15 | Tewan | I'm done with Linksys |
| 08:08.16 | krka | linksys is good |
| 08:08.20 | krka | i love my wrt54gl |
| 08:08.26 | krka | <3 |
| 08:08.40 | Shirik|AFK | My parents are still using their original 11b router |
| 08:08.44 | krka | worked flawlessly and efficiently for over two years now, with lots of good features |
| 08:08.44 | Shirik|AFK | I'm impressed it lasted this long |
| 08:08.55 | Shirik | but it looks like it's finally reached its end |
| 08:08.56 | Tewan | I <3 my D-Link DSL-2640B |
| 08:08.57 | Tewan | :P |
| 08:09.12 | krka | d-link O_o |
| 08:09.15 | Shirik | the cable modem, also linksys, is still running perfectly, which rather amazes me |
| 08:09.24 | krka | you dislike linksys but like d-link? |
| 08:09.28 | krka | that is strange |
| 08:09.32 | Shirik | considering cable lines are a lot more dangerous |
| 08:09.39 | Tewan | I don't normally like D-Link |
| 08:09.44 | Tewan | but this one is treating me very well |
| 08:10.23 | Tewan | With 3 Linksys routers, it would randomly freeze and need to be restarted when using ADSL |
| 08:10.27 | Tewan | when using cable it's fine |
| 08:11.01 | Tewan | Two modems, so it may have been them |
| 08:11.06 | Tewan | Same make |
| 08:11.43 | Tewan | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825112006 |
| 08:12.00 | selckin | wireless is fail. |
| 08:12.14 | Tewan | Only our laptops run on wireless |
| 08:12.35 | Tewan | Our house is wired for 100mbps wired :P |
| 08:12.46 | Tewan | -wired at the end |
| 08:13.01 | Kirov | 100mbps? |
| 08:13.14 | Tewan | yeah, we're too cheap to afford 1gbps |
| 08:13.20 | Shirik | So, pop quiz. I just learned this |
| 08:13.32 | Kirov | Tewan - $20 is too much? |
| 08:13.39 | Shirik | What does it mean if the little battery icon has the a power cord flashing on it |
| 08:13.43 | Tewan | To get the switches and such, yes |
| 08:13.53 | Shirik | (On Windows 7) |
| 08:14.04 | Tewan | Shirik, you need to plug in your charger, maybe? |
| 08:14.05 | Tewan | ._. |
| 08:14.23 | Shirik | It means you didn't plug it in well and your power cord is swaying back and forth at about 2Hz |
| 08:14.24 | selckin | usualy that means its charging |
| 08:14.36 | Thunder_Child | nifty |
| 08:14.40 | Tewan | Heh |
| 08:14.54 | Kirov | Shirik - I think it means it's about to release the gerbil army currently training in your closet. |
| 08:15.18 | Kirov | But, I could be wrong. I'm usually pretty bad about understanding iconography correctly. |
| 08:15.31 | Thunder_Child | since intel is now going to be making GPU's i wonder if they are going to take over the vid card market....i think they have more manufactoring than both nvidia and ati combined |
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| 08:16.10 | bleeter | who used to make their GPUs? |
| 08:16.21 | Thunder_Child | uhh...no one? |
| 08:16.28 | Kirov | ... intel |
| 08:16.42 | Kirov | This will be Intel's second attempt at gamer level GPUs |
| 08:16.50 | Thunder_Child | oh, i thought you meant who made intel's GPU's |
| 08:16.59 | leethal | I'm thinking.. a bunch of javascript libraries has some easy-to-use visual effects. an_element.slideUp(), an_element.fade(1000) and so on. Are there anything similar for wow addons? |
| 08:17.10 | Kirov | The first attempt failed as a multi-million dollar internal failure. |
| 08:17.51 | Shirik | Still, they know what they're doing |
| 08:17.55 | Kirov | A lot of smart minds basically tried to solve a non-problem and by the time they got anywhere with it everyone else had gotten so far that the work Intel did wasn't even applicable. |
| 08:18.31 | Tewan | <Kirov> Tewan - $20 is too much? |
| 08:18.38 | Tewan | we'd also have to upgrade some of or NICs |
| 08:19.22 | Kirov | Really, if all you're doing in internet related stuff, 1000 mbps isn't going to buy you much. |
| 08:19.46 | Tewan | pretty much, occasional file transfers, but not enough to need it all that much |
| 08:19.49 | Kirov | I do hope Intel's upcoming attempt at GPUs (Larabee) doesn't suck. |
| 08:20.53 | Shirik | they are intelligent enough to make it good |
| 08:21.05 | Shirik | I think it's going to come down to whether or not it's managed properly |
| 08:21.13 | Kirov | Not really. |
| 08:21.14 | Tewan | talking about that |
| 08:21.19 | Tewan | ATI has been failing |
| 08:21.27 | Tewan | at drivers, for my card, at least |
| 08:21.29 | Kirov | It's going to come down to how far ahead NVidia and ATI get |
| 08:21.37 | Tewan | and their OpenGL support in nix is horrid |
| 08:21.56 | Shirik | They have a lot of experience in things that haven't been tried much in the GPU industry, things like prediction. They have a chance to break through on that front, imo. |
| 08:22.29 | Kirov | Unless there's a miracle, Larabee is going to be released running games at a much slower framerate than the existing NVidia / ATI cards and cost a lot more. |
| 08:22.53 | Shirik | that would be a management issue |
| 08:23.08 | Shirik | management should be able to predict something like that happening |
| 08:23.30 | Tewan | So it begins. |
| 08:23.31 | Tewan | http://tewan.info/interfacehell.jpg |
| 08:23.38 | Tewan | after upload, that is |
| 08:23.47 | Kirov | And, if NVidia is able to push CUDA even more in that time, Larabee's ability to run "anything" won't be an advantage. |
| 08:24.00 | Tewan | ._. wtf is the jpg 1mb for? |
| 08:24.24 | Tewan | There, uploaded |
| 08:24.50 | Arrowmaster | wtf is that shitty map |
| 08:24.59 | Tewan | which one? |
| 08:25.20 | haste | one to the left ofc |
| 08:25.21 | Thunder_Child | thats about what the default looks like |
| 08:25.28 | Thunder_Child | of unconfigured addons |
| 08:25.29 | Tewan | oh, carbonite |
| 08:25.32 | Arrowmaster | the one with the pink |
| 08:25.32 | Tewan | Thunder_Child, yeah |
| 08:25.33 | Thunder_Child | no surprises |
| 08:25.48 | Tewan | carbonite > questhelper imo |
| 08:26.15 | Kirov | One of the reasons I want Larabee to succeed is I've been looking forward to Project Offset, and Intel gobbled them up to likely be a Larabee exclusive. |
| 08:26.16 | bleeter | if the default UI had a zoomable map like carbonites, I wouldn't be using carbonite |
| 08:26.25 | Arrowmaster | brain > carbonite or questhelper |
| 08:26.29 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 08:26.50 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - I think you have too much faith in the average WoW player. |
| 08:26.53 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, cart4 has a zince zoomable map |
| 08:26.55 | Thunder_Child | nice* |
| 08:27.00 | Thunder_Child | or 3 or wgatever |
| 08:27.03 | Thunder_Child | whatever* |
| 08:27.08 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: no i dont |
| 08:27.23 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: yar, I just want a zoomable map, though, not a bucket of other shit that I don't need or want |
| 08:27.25 | Arrowmaster | but apparently i have too much faith in people that can manage to get on irc |
| 08:27.48 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, it is just a zoomable map really....there isnt much else made for it |
| 08:27.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats all cart3 does |
| 08:28.47 | Kirov | Carbonite 2.0 == Cart 3 clone. Cart 3 == Carbonite 1.0 clone + nice fading. Carbonite 1.0 == Yatlas clone with a lot of speed enhancements. Yatlas == Google Maps clone. |
| 08:29.32 | Thunder_Child | except that carbonite costs....iirc |
| 08:29.46 | Corrodias | i remember yatlas :D |
| 08:29.56 | Thunder_Child | i remember google maps |
| 08:30.03 | bleeter | carbonite quest is free, carbonite costs. i think most people mean carbonite quest when they say just carbonite |
| 08:30.12 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 08:30.21 | bleeter | I know I do |
| 08:30.24 | Arrowmaster | most people are so stupid they dont even know that carbonite costs money |
| 08:30.39 | Arrowmaster | since the apparently cant read addon descriptions |
| 08:32.45 | Tewan | heh |
| 08:32.49 | Tewan | I'm using yatlas too :P |
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| 08:33.05 | Kirov | it still works? |
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| 08:33.08 | Tewan | yea |
| 08:33.16 | End | a different person is updating it now |
| 08:33.19 | Tewan | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4497-Yatlas.html |
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| 08:46.45 | leethal | http://wow.curse.com/content/recommendedwowpvp.aspx on pitbull: "This is by far the best unitframes out there right now. It is highly customizable and it's lightweight as well. It's surpassed ag_Unitframes in many ways." |
| 08:46.53 | leethal | pretty opinionated for such a large site :O |
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| 08:47.47 | Kirov | For something that glowing I'd almost expect "ckknight is also giving me sexual favors" |
| 08:48.00 | selckin | i like how bogos 404s |
| 08:48.33 | leethal | I prefer ag_Unitframes because they _aren't_ customizable |
| 08:48.59 | Kirov | Also fun that 2 of those addons are currently abandon-ware |
| 08:49.15 | leethal | I think wanting customization is an illusion. You don't really want to customize it, you want it to look/behave/feel the way you prefer. If it can do that without customization, I'm game |
| 08:49.33 | Tewan | ugh |
| 08:49.43 | Arrowmaster | that page seems extremely old |
| 08:49.56 | Kirov | Greyhoof, RIP (not dead, just not playing WoW anymore, so his character and interaction with the addon community is "dead') |
| 08:50.11 | leethal | oh hey, a then/than fail |
| 08:50.16 | Tewan | leethal, that's weird, I didn't even read that, but I said "ugh" regarding pitbull |
| 08:50.18 | Arrowmaster | his interaction was mostly dead to start with.... |
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| 08:51.38 | Kirov | Gello and Greyhoof, both of those two seem like they released addons, they got really reduciously popular, and they got tired of trying to add everything people wanted. |
| 08:52.04 | Dezzi | I don't think they're in the minority |
| 08:52.42 | Arrowmaster | most authors dont code for others |
| 08:52.47 | Dezzimal | Maybe they have a lower tolerance for burning out but it happens to everyone if their mod sees any popularity |
| 08:53.28 | selckin | its because people ask rediculous things is extremely rude ways |
| 08:53.37 | Kirov | Oddly, most of my addons Blizzard just managed to make obsolete. |
| 08:53.39 | Dezzimal | and it gets tiresome after awhile |
| 08:54.42 | selckin | do spells ever have diffrend cooldowns or duration based on rank? |
| 08:55.03 | Kirov | "Fuck you, you addon sucks, why don't you make this completely unneccessary and unrelated to the intent of the addon change that adds a ton of code for a small bit of functionality that I want!" |
| 08:55.11 | Arrowmaster | duration yes |
| 08:55.17 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 08:55.26 | Arrowmaster | check low rank warlock spells |
| 08:55.36 | selckin | thanks |
| 08:55.36 | End | duration yes |
| 08:55.44 | End | CC spells in general do different duration |
| 08:55.51 | Arrowmaster | that too |
| 08:55.52 | Kirov | Fireball goes from 0.5 second cast to 3 second cast |
| 08:56.17 | Dezzimal | yea low rank poly is ~10s? |
| 08:56.25 | Dezzimal | same with fear |
| 08:56.50 | Kirov | For Karazan, mages used to down rank fireball when tanking the strawman (needs to be hit with a fire damage spell every 1.5 seconds) |
| 08:57.47 | Dezzimal | Kirov: re: unrealistic functionality. I see a lot of stupid requests on the auctioneer site that basically boil down to, "Why isn't this mod printing money for me" |
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| 08:58.11 | Dezzimal | They want the mod to basically predict the market and list their wares at the exact price point that will net them the most money every time. |
| 08:59.29 | Kirov | Dezzimal - The concept of "because Blizzard doesn't want us to be able to let you do that" usually flies over a lot of peoples' heads too. |
| 08:59.44 | Teomyr | yeah, especially with macros |
| 08:59.53 | Teomyr | "why can't i make a macro that does everything for me" |
| 09:00.44 | Kirov | On the topic of auctioneer type addons, I know a couple of people who play FFXI nearly 24 hours a day with 3-4 toons... but all of them are completely macroed out so they do everything for you. |
| 09:00.54 | Kirov | Same with EVE Online. |
| 09:01.16 | Kirov | And I'm not talking bots, I'm talking using the in-game, supported macro functionality. |
| 09:01.21 | Dezzimal | The reason you do macros in FFXI is because you can change gear in combat |
| 09:01.34 | Dezzimal | and you have a set of gear for every spell in your spellbook damn near it |
| 09:01.37 | Tewan | that doesn't make sense |
| 09:01.39 | leethal | is ace core available on git somewhere? |
| 09:01.55 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:02.02 | leethal | aw, ok |
| 09:02.09 | Tewan | in (RL) a real battle, why would you change gear mid-fight? |
| 09:02.11 | Tewan | gawd |
| 09:02.13 | Kirov | By do everything for you ... these people aren't at their computers except to see how much money they've made. |
| 09:02.30 | Kirov | Nothing in FFXI makes sense to me. |
| 09:02.46 | Kirov | 32 hour boss fights, for example |
| 09:03.24 | Dezzimal | Yeah well thats what happens when you don't have a QA department |
| 09:03.26 | Kirov | One rediculously hardcore guild spent 26 hours on it, then gave up from exaustion. |
| 09:03.38 | Dezzimal | Thats not the first time its happened either >_> |
| 09:04.21 | Teomyr | gah... yesterday, i spent the whole day trying to fix an application i use, to no success |
| 09:04.21 | Kirov | My thought on that though is there are people who seem to not have a problem with 4-8 hour bosses. |
| 09:04.39 | Teomyr | today, i started again from scratch and realized that it's a fix that involves changing only 4 lines >< |
| 09:05.51 | Arrowmaster | what that dragon in EQ that SoE despawned when a huge raid almost killed it after like a day because it was suppost to be part of the major lore for EQ2 or something and they didnt want anybody to have killed it? |
| 09:06.09 | Dezzimal | The game itself is just poorly made, there are classes that are less effective than a hunter pet, relative to WoW |
| 09:06.51 | Dezzimal | Thats ok though aparently, because of how their multiclassing system works. You can just change to another class and level it up on the same character |
| 09:07.25 | Corrodias | i'm not sure why people play it |
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| 09:07.50 | Arrowmaster | thats one of the few appealing aspects of that game to me |
| 09:07.50 | Corrodias | it's not like it has anything at all in common with other final fantasy games. except those riding birds, maybe. |
| 09:09.39 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: wasn't it more like after five hours; and they let them kill it the second time around? Or was that another creature |
| 09:09.56 | Arrowmaster | was it only 5 hours? |
| 09:10.08 | Arrowmaster | but yeah they let them kill it the 2nd time |
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| 09:10.45 | Corrodias | they've put their gaming fates in the hands of Sony |
| 09:10.59 | Corrodias | may god have mercy on their soul~ |
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| 09:12.53 | Cide | halo |
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| 09:14.12 | Kirov | 2 or 3? |
| 09:15.51 | Cide | halo wars. |
| 09:19.05 | leethal | are there any docs for AceGUI around? |
| 09:19.15 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: can't seem to find out how long the first attempt took, but apparently the second (the kill) took a little shy of four hours |
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| 09:19.52 | Arrowmaster | leethal: in the code, and youre better of asking in wowace than here |
| 09:20.11 | leethal | ah, didn't know there was a wowace cannel, thanks |
| 09:20.44 | Cide | this mibbit thing works really well |
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| 09:21.58 | EndMibbit | hm |
| 09:22.02 | EndMibbit | so it does |
| 09:22.11 | EndMibbit | :P |
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| 09:23.00 | Shirik|AFK | eh |
| 09:23.03 | Shirik|AFK | it has problems |
| 09:23.19 | Shirik | in particular it is very CPU intensive |
| 09:23.28 | End | oh, I didn't actually check that |
| 09:23.46 | Shirik | it may not be noticable on most computers |
| 09:23.57 | Shirik | but I have a lot of problems in our EE lab because those computers are somewhat old |
| 09:24.01 | Cide | aaah bye |
| 09:24.05 | End | it didn't feel laggy or anything, but my computer is pretty new |
| 09:24.23 | Shirik | Also, it doesn't load correctly on blackberries :P |
| 09:24.26 | End | lol |
| 09:25.32 | Cide | anyway, my time runs out now |
| 09:25.35 | Cide | see you in two months! |
| 09:25.38 | End | :o |
| 09:25.39 | Shirik | ?? |
| 09:25.51 | Cide | heading away to malaysia |
| 09:25.53 | Cide | back in may |
| 09:25.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:25.58 | Shirik | <3 Cide |
| 09:26.03 | End | what the hell are you going to malaysia for? |
| 09:26.28 | Cide | make girlfriend happy, dive |
| 09:27.18 | Cide | I might be on some, depending on internet access |
| 09:27.22 | Cide | bye |
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| 09:27.33 | zenzelezz | Cide is a mail-order groom :-o |
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| 09:28.51 | bleeter | safe travels, cide :) |
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| 09:32.33 | purl | ~pong |
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| 09:33.16 | bleeter | hmm, report of some level 70 being able to drive WG vehicles, but abilities don't work |
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| 09:43.20 | [L4E]Flowy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/110226 |
| 09:43.25 | [L4E]Flowy | what is bad on this ? |
| 09:44.04 | [L4E]Flowy | it do nothing and dont return error |
| 09:46.14 | bleeter | heh, I'm adding that into Wintergrasper Advanced right now |
| 09:46.33 | bleeter | I've got a bunch of patches for it's author should be good to go tomorrow, including handling the new level requirements ehhe |
| 09:46.44 | bleeter | but as for your code, dunno |
| 09:47.23 | [L4E]Flowy | thats for me? |
| 09:47.29 | [L4E]Flowy | what is wintergrasper ... ? |
| 09:47.39 | jnwhiteh | Again |
| 09:47.44 | jnwhiteh | we're not going to help you with your private server |
| 09:47.59 | [L4E]Flowy | i dont want help server hmm |
| 09:48.25 | jnwhiteh | but you are playing on a private server |
| 09:48.27 | jnwhiteh | writing addons for them |
| 09:48.32 | [L4E]Flowy | no |
| 09:48.32 | jnwhiteh | that means we are not here to support you. |
| 09:48.40 | [L4E]Flowy | i write scripts for me and my guild |
| 09:48.56 | jnwhiteh | then add some print statements in there to see what happens |
| 09:49.16 | [L4E]Flowy | what happens ... when? |
| 09:49.18 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: whut iz guugal???!!! |
| 09:49.28 | jnwhiteh | [L4E]Flowy: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/110229 |
| 09:49.29 | jnwhiteh | try that |
| 09:49.34 | [L4E]Flowy | nothing ... |
| 09:49.38 | [L4E]Flowy | on whisp it do nothing |
| 09:49.41 | [L4E]Flowy | and return no error |
| 09:50.05 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 09:50.11 | jnwhiteh | use the code i just posted to yo. |
| 09:50.14 | jnwhiteh | and see what it says |
| 09:50.31 | [L4E]Flowy | ah ok |
| 09:52.03 | [L4E]Flowy | it execute last cmd ... addon loaded msg |
| 09:52.20 | [L4E]Flowy | can i get that if this frame realy exists? |
| 09:53.30 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm it return me error |
| 09:53.37 | [L4E]Flowy | when another msg than inv |
| 09:53.37 | [L4E]Flowy | [string "local myframe = CreateFrame("Frame")..."] line 4: |
| 09:53.37 | [L4E]Flowy | attempt to call global 'print' (a nil value) |
| 09:53.49 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm |
| 09:53.50 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 09:53.56 | jnwhiteh | are you playing on chinese servers? |
| 09:53.57 | [L4E]Flowy | but |
| 09:54.01 | jnwhiteh | i suspect not, considering where youa re from |
| 09:54.05 | [L4E]Flowy | i change print to message |
| 09:54.10 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 09:54.11 | jnwhiteh | don't. |
| 09:54.14 | jnwhiteh | this is the problem we had before |
| 09:54.19 | jnwhiteh | the print function exists in WoW |
| 09:54.21 | jnwhiteh | the only reason it doesn't |
| 09:54.25 | jnwhiteh | it if you are on a private server |
| 09:54.28 | jnwhiteh | or if you are on a chinese server |
| 09:54.34 | jnwhiteh | and even then, i think they had it in 2.4.3 |
| 09:54.48 | jnwhiteh | I really do not appreciate being lied to |
| 09:55.07 | [L4E]Flowy | i change print to "message()" |
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| 09:55.37 | [L4E]Flowy | you are not ignored hmm |
| 09:55.38 | jnwhiteh | I do not want to have to ban you from this channel |
| 09:55.54 | jnwhiteh | Listen to me then |
| 09:55.57 | jnwhiteh | If the print function does not exist |
| 09:56.04 | jnwhiteh | then you are not running the most recent version of WoW |
| 09:56.14 | jnwhiteh | That indicates you are playing on a non-Blizzard game client |
| 09:56.19 | jnwhiteh | and we are not going to sit here and support you |
| 09:57.04 | bleeter | that kinda reminds me |
| 09:57.27 | [L4E]Flowy | you get paid for this? |
| 09:57.29 | jnwhiteh | No |
| 09:57.32 | bleeter | someone on CSF the other day was asking why US/EU/KR Blizz had removed links to Chinese The9 WoW, and was wondering if it had something to do with some update thing for China |
| 09:57.33 | jnwhiteh | but you're wasting my time. |
| 09:57.42 | bleeter | so just got me wondering which version China's running atm |
| 09:57.47 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: The9 is still on 2.4.3 |
| 09:57.50 | jnwhiteh | and having issues getting it moved up |
| 09:57.53 | jnwhiteh | due to the textures/models |
| 09:57.54 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: rightio, thanks |
| 09:58.05 | bleeter | ah, I said maybe it was some government approval thing |
| 09:58.10 | nevcairiel | I thought china at least had 3.0 now |
| 09:58.13 | nevcairiel | but not wotlk |
| 09:58.14 | bleeter | i kinda alluded to the old issue with graves and pandas and stuffs |
| 09:58.19 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 09:58.21 | nevcairiel | could be wrong |
| 09:58.23 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: ah that's possible. |
| 09:58.23 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 09:58.29 | bleeter | all sounds about right yeah |
| 09:58.31 | jnwhiteh | but 3.x included lots of new stuff |
| 09:58.36 | jnwhiteh | so dunno |
| 09:58.39 | jnwhiteh | i heard 2.4.3 at some point |
| 09:58.39 | bleeter | we've got quite a few chinese guilds appearing on Oceanic servers, it'd seem |
| 09:58.43 | jnwhiteh | wowinsider maybe |
| 09:58.44 | bleeter | people bypassing the laws or whatever |
| 09:58.55 | jnwhiteh | [L4E]Flowy: And beyond all that, you're lying |
| 09:58.56 | nevcairiel | they play on zhTW servers alot too |
| 09:59.11 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm? lying in what? |
| 09:59.31 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 09:59.38 | jnwhiteh | Is English not your native language? |
| 09:59.43 | [L4E]Flowy | no |
| 09:59.48 | jnwhiteh | What is? |
| 10:00.10 | [L4E]Flowy | slovak |
| 10:00.54 | jnwhiteh | [L4E]Flowy: I will try to make this as clear and ambiguous as I possibly can. You are saying that there is no print() function on your client. This indicates you are not using a Blizzard client/server. We will not help you write an addon for private servers. You claim you are not playing on a private server, but everything else indicates otherwise. |
| 10:00.58 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 10:01.02 | jnwhiteh | unambiguous =) |
| 10:01.03 | bleeter | 'attempt to call print a nil value' is an indicator you're not using a recent wow. we told you we don't support private servers. only way print = nil is is on private server. pls stop lie. |
| 10:01.19 | nevcairiel | (or some addon nil'ed it, huh) |
| 10:01.24 | bleeter | oh .. hmm |
| 10:01.31 | bleeter | i guess that's possible |
| 10:01.37 | nevcairiel | unlikely, though |
| 10:01.47 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 10:01.54 | jnwhiteh | there are other possibilities |
| 10:01.56 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm where i have said that im not playing on private server? |
| 10:02.01 | bleeter | .... |
| 10:02.06 | nevcairiel | good bye. |
| 10:02.21 | jnwhiteh | 09:48 jnwhiteh: but you are playing on a private server |
| 10:02.21 | jnwhiteh | 09:48 jnwhiteh: writing addons for them |
| 10:02.22 | jnwhiteh | 09:48 [L4E]Flowy: no |
| 10:02.24 | jnwhiteh | 09:48 jnwhiteh: that means we are not here to support you. |
| 10:02.26 | jnwhiteh | 09:48 [L4E]Flowy: i write scripts for me and my guild |
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| 10:02.34 | [L4E]Flowy | no im not writing addon for them |
| 10:02.46 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 10:02.48 | [L4E]Flowy | im writing addon for me and my guild |
| 10:02.50 | jnwhiteh | if you are writing addons |
| 10:02.53 | jnwhiteh | and you play on a private server |
| 10:02.54 | jnwhiteh | then yes you are |
| 10:03.14 | jnwhiteh | Please leave this channel, and do not come back unless you actually subscribe to WoW and become a member of the community. |
| 10:03.39 | [L4E]Flowy | hmm i think never good bye |
| 10:04.05 | jnwhiteh | thank god |
| 10:04.07 | bleeter | well I'm disappointed |
| 10:04.18 | bleeter | some of those encounters can be amusing, that was ... :'( |
| 10:04.25 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.40 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 10:04.44 | jnwhiteh | the first one was |
| 10:04.46 | jnwhiteh | I called him out |
| 10:04.47 | jnwhiteh | and he left |
| 10:05.07 | bleeter | ooh, hope I was on for that |
| 10:05.28 | bleeter | wilkl scroll back later |
| 10:05.34 | jnwhiteh | was days ago |
| 10:05.37 | jnwhiteh | maybe a week or so |
| 10:05.38 | bleeter | what we need is some compressed kinda private server test |
| 10:06.04 | bleeter | so anyone we suspect, we can just ask them to /script JUHYRSWTUJHERT($&*%%^%$^%$^$%DEOGIFTUDFGDFJKGHDFJGK)*@#$%*, which when executed goes 'PRIVATE OPERATOR GTFO' |
| 10:06.14 | Teomyr | haha |
| 10:06.27 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 10:06.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:06.58 | bleeter | oO was that one of my good ideas, was it? ;) |
| 10:06.59 | Teomyr | but it should check the locale too in order to ensure we're not mistakingly yelling at chinese players |
| 10:07.05 | bleeter | hehe true |
| 10:07.11 | Teomyr | this sounds doable imho! |
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| 10:08.54 | jnwhiteh | the 3.1 one will be easy |
| 10:09.18 | Teomyr | bleeter, http://www.teomyr.eu/2009-03-11_17-26-09.txt |
| 10:09.21 | jnwhiteh | we can do one for any version pretty easily :P |
| 10:09.44 | bleeter | and just start embedding it in your addons or something |
| 10:10.18 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: why easier in 3.1? |
| 10:10.54 | jnwhiteh | type(PlayerName.CreateAnimationGroup) == "nil") and "Private Server" or "3.1" |
| 10:10.58 | jnwhiteh | among others :P |
| 10:11.07 | jnwhiteh | global functions can be replaced |
| 10:11.16 | jnwhiteh | but the widget functions don't get messed with as a rule. |
| 10:11.40 | Teomyr | why so complicated when there's GetBuildInfo() |
| 10:11.51 | jnwhiteh | it can be faked, and probably is :P |
| 10:11.55 | jnwhiteh | but who knows |
| 10:11.59 | jnwhiteh | what these wacky private servers do =) |
| 10:12.05 | Teomyr | oO |
| 10:12.10 | nevcairiel | well the client is still local |
| 10:12.13 | Teomyr | I doubt they can influence what the client says |
| 10:12.14 | nevcairiel | so is getbuildinfo |
| 10:12.27 | jnwhiteh | I didn't know if they released altered clients at all |
| 10:12.35 | jnwhiteh | I'm completely ignorant in this |
| 10:12.48 | nevcairiel | I always assumed they just build servers |
| 10:12.52 | nevcairiel | and modify their realmlist |
| 10:12.53 | jnwhiteh | yeah me too |
| 10:12.58 | End | yeah I think that's all they do |
| 10:13.11 | Teomyr | I still wonder why blizzard makes it so easy for them |
| 10:13.34 | nevcairiel | Its hardly easy |
| 10:14.35 | nevcairiel | unless you consider changing the wow config file that much easier then playing with your hosts file :D |
| 10:14.54 | Teomyr | ah well :) |
| 10:15.20 | bleeter | kd3: I just told a guild mage who wanted to respec fire, to just steal your spec to get used to fire and then return, or follow EJ.org. They said, and I quote 'And who the fuck is this kd3 prick?'.. I apologise for the only response I could give.. 'Damn good question' ;) |
| 10:15.25 | Teomyr | i was thinking more like doing something as in SSL, where you can validate the authentity of the peer using certificates |
| 10:15.46 | End | a gnome made |
| 10:15.47 | End | that's who |
| 10:15.50 | End | er, mage |
| 10:19.20 | End | also |
| 10:19.25 | End | I'm pretty sure kd3 is ffb |
| 10:19.30 | bleeter | Teomyr: wish there was some kinda cert thingy in WoW. I mean, clearly a ring of trust could be started. Blizz trust Iriel and Cog to be MvPs to start |
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| 10:21.25 | Teomyr | bleeter: nice idea, but what for? any examples? |
| 10:24.47 | Arrowmaster | i thought cog quit? |
| 10:25.03 | End | yeah, he's not mvp anymore |
| 10:25.15 | nevcairiel | he wanted to insult people again? :) |
| 10:25.20 | End | probably |
| 10:25.22 | End | :P |
| 10:25.55 | Arrowmaster | he used his normal character to post when he wanted to do that anyway |
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| 10:26.24 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 10:28.04 | bleeter | Teomyr: just for verifying the download is OK and is for the game to OK to execute |
| 10:28.23 | bleeter | so, two reasons kinda. same reason one signs any code. |
| 10:28.28 | bleeter | same reasons |
| 10:30.48 | Teomyr | maybe for signing addon releases |
| 10:31.14 | Arrowmaster | they already have something like that, but for a different reason |
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| 10:32.28 | bleeter | yeah .. it's almost kinda avail.. but.. not |
| 10:33.23 | bleeter | mind you, still prefer a freakin proper addon selector first |
| 10:33.29 | Arrowmaster | i dont understand the reason its being asked right now though |
| 10:34.56 | bleeter | was merely a passing comment akin to the reasons why any code should, ideally, be signed |
| 10:35.42 | bleeter | per-toon/per-class addon management would still mega suck either way |
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| 10:53.31 | Teomyr | finally! |
| 10:53.41 | Teomyr | fixed the dead key issue with synergy \o/ |
| 10:54.41 | Teomyr | now i can type ^^ with two keystrokes again instead of 4 |
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| 12:29.15 | Kalroth | or use a shield and shield bash |
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| 13:04.54 | zenzelezz | "news" pages that don't state a date for the news items really annoy me |
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| 14:00.18 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jellydear |
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| 14:15.11 | mikma | rofl |
| 14:15.32 | mikma | revenge of [L4E]Flowy is bitter, right jnwhiteh? |
| 14:17.16 | alestane | pwhawhohuh? |
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| 14:19.15 | Lopeppeppy | Bless you. |
| 14:30.38 | alestane | That's what I get for walking into the middle of conversations. |
| 14:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yup! |
| 14:32.47 | nevcairiel | mikma was just like 4 hours late with his comment, don't worry |
| 14:33.26 | foxlit | for conversations lasting longer than 4 hours, consult your physician. |
| 14:33.28 | mikma | yeah i have a bad habit of scrolling the log and commenting stuff later |
| 14:33.59 | foxlit | s/for/in case of/ |
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| 14:39.15 | alestane | Ah, the woodpecker has gone and left. |
| 14:40.28 | mikma | alestane: wha, he just joined like 1min ago |
| 14:42.08 | mikma | alestane: which alse reminded me of http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1157/20090217.gif |
| 14:43.27 | alestane | No, I mean an actual woodpecker who was outside my apartment. |
| 14:43.59 | Lyn | mikmanski |
| 14:44.16 | mikma | lyncheisse! |
| 14:44.44 | alestane | mikma: You Finnish, by any chance? |
| 14:45.01 | mikma | alestane: noooo. i just love to paste finnish stuff haha ;) |
| 14:45.05 | mikma | yeah, i'm finnish |
| 14:45.43 | alestane | Suomi loves those double consonants, double vowels and äs. |
| 14:46.09 | mikma | oh yeah baby |
| 14:47.10 | alestane | "käyttämällä": probably one of the most Finnish-looking words I've ever seen. |
| 14:47.16 | alestane | No idea what it means though. |
| 14:47.30 | mikma | "by using" |
| 14:47.58 | mikma | Vinkki: voit selata strippejä nuolinäppäimiä käyttämällä! -> Hint: you can browse trips by using arrowkeys! |
| 14:48.04 | mikma | trips = strips |
| 14:48.50 | mikma | alestane: also, tell me why that comic i pasted is so hilarious? |
| 14:48.57 | mikma | i've been laughing at it for couple of days now |
| 14:49.33 | alestane | As in, you think it's really funny but you don't know why? |
| 14:49.46 | mikma | yeah, what makes it so funneh |
| 14:50.11 | alestane | I think it's all in the grin. |
| 14:50.29 | mikma | most likely, that's what my wife also said :D |
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| 15:11.00 | mikma | sb end |
| 15:11.04 | mikma | whops :O |
| 15:11.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ya? |
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| 15:15.37 | alestane | You don't say... |
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| 15:28.00 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.17 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaay! |
| 15:36.47 | cog|away | 03:25 < Arrowmaster> he used his normal character to post when he wanted to do that anyway |
| 15:36.56 | cog|away | mvp is account-wide ;) |
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| 15:40.01 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 15:40.11 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I only post with Peppy Junior, it's account wide. |
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| 15:53.25 | Fisker- | I thought P stood for person |
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| 16:09.43 | mikma | interesting, GameTooltip doesnt want to show more than 10 textures |
| 16:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | Does it need to? |
| 16:10.08 | mikma | would have been hot if it would |
| 16:11.52 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_031509_181017.jpg |
| 16:11.56 | mikma | this is the reason why |
| 16:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | Jinkies. |
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| 16:17.35 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/15/funny-pictures-go-in-now/ |
| 16:17.53 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, poor kitty |
| 16:18.05 | Industrial | Anyone ever had trouble with installing wow on osx? I am trying to install it but the installer.app that's supposed to extract/etc the MPQ files doesnt do anything... I hear an intro sound but no window. |
| 16:19.36 | alestane | Can't say I have. |
| 16:19.47 | Industrial | :( |
| 16:20.08 | Industrial | I broke my desktop PC |
| 16:20.46 | Industrial | the GFX card in its bulkyness was placed directly on top of (with about 5mm space) the north bridge cooling fan |
| 16:21.01 | Industrial | recipe for disaster, and after half a year the fan gave up :p |
| 16:21.18 | Industrial | so im trying to install wow on my macbook now (MUST...RAID..) |
| 16:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 16:22.00 | cbreak | I installed WoW without problems on my macs |
| 16:22.20 | mikma | gz! |
| 16:22.35 | cbreak | never had a problem like you described |
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| 16:34.52 | Industrial | hmz seeing as I have wow vanilla lying around twice I have one 5 cd version and one 4 cd version. I tried the 5cd version and it will show the installer but when I choose a volume it tells me it can't install wow on a case-sensitive volume |
| 16:34.53 | Industrial | o_O |
| 16:35.19 | Lopeppeppy | blrp? |
| 16:36.36 | zenzelezz | Industrial: you case-insensitive clod :( |
| 16:36.44 | Industrial | ;p |
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| 16:37.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 16:37.25 | Shirik | oh I've been up for a while :P but hi |
| 16:37.36 | Shirik | I spent the last hour trying to debug a problem with a brand new router |
| 16:37.45 | Shirik | apparently the new Linksys routers have an awesome firmware bug |
| 16:37.59 | Shirik | if you set a wireless SSID with a space in it, it freezes up |
| 16:38.03 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 16:38.43 | Industrial | seems I need to reinstall osx |
| 16:38.45 | Industrial | ... |
| 16:38.46 | Shirik | so I'm sitting here like "ok maybe my computer doesn't like wireless N, force to B" |
| 16:38.49 | Industrial | to play wow. |
| 16:38.54 | Shirik | "maybe I should turn off WPA just to try" |
| 16:39.50 | Shirik | all the more complicated things, when it was the simplest thing was the problem |
| 16:39.50 | alestane | Industrial: Is your main volume formatted ext3 or HFS+? |
| 16:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'm just making lunch. Sounds so boring. |
| 16:39.50 | Shirik | I was so confused because every time I restored to factory defaults, it works perfectly! |
| 16:39.50 | Industrial | alestane: I have no idea! :D How do I check |
| 16:39.50 | alestane | Disk Utility. |
| 16:39.54 | Shirik | gd it cog|away |
| 16:40.01 | Shirik | Are you going to make me come find you? |
| 16:40.12 | alestane | Shirik: Oh, I'm looking. |
| 16:40.20 | Shirik | He took our planets again |
| 16:40.23 | Shirik | Like |
| 16:40.26 | Shirik | I left for 2 hours |
| 16:40.31 | Shirik | and in those 2 hours he's like ninja man |
| 16:40.32 | alestane | And he blew you up, I saw. |
| 16:40.38 | Shirik | Oh that's ok |
| 16:40.41 | Shirik | he blew himself up too |
| 16:40.44 | Shirik | right after he blew me up |
| 16:40.53 | Industrial | alestane: Format :Mac OS Extended (Case-sensitive, Journaled) |
| 16:41.09 | alestane | Are you running Leopard? |
| 16:41.11 | Shirik | I'm not sure how, but I prefer to assume that I did so much damage to him that the next NavHaz he hit blew him up :P |
| 16:41.16 | Industrial | so I guess HFS+ ? |
| 16:41.16 | Industrial | yes |
| 16:41.42 | nevcairiel | ext3 is case-senstive and journaled |
| 16:41.43 | alestane | Because I don't think I've seen the case-sensitive option. |
| 16:42.24 | cbreak | Case-sensitive is an option since years |
| 16:42.31 | cbreak | but it's very problematic |
| 16:42.35 | cbreak | since most apps don't expect it |
| 16:43.59 | Industrial | I dont see the significance and why wow would/wouldnt work with a case sensitive filesystem |
| 16:44.03 | nevcairiel | apparently they added an HFSX that adds the case-sensitive option |
| 16:44.09 | Industrial | also why would I want a case insensitive file system |
| 16:44.26 | Shirik | Because a case insensitive filesystem makes sense |
| 16:44.34 | cbreak | it's case insensitive by default |
| 16:44.39 | cbreak | you can enable case sensitivity |
| 16:44.42 | cbreak | but it will break apps |
| 16:44.44 | Shirik | do you have a valid reason for wanting to make a file named foo and one named Foo in the same place? |
| 16:44.53 | cbreak | that look for a file that differs in case on the filesystem |
| 16:44.53 | alestane | Most casual users don't expect case-sensitivity. |
| 16:45.03 | kd3 | wow's case-insensitive... which is annoying when different files refer to the same object with completely different capitalization |
| 16:45.03 | Shirik | cbreak: Don't see why it should break apps tbh. Mac decides to make folder and files WITH THE SAME NAME all the time |
| 16:45.06 | cbreak | maybe the installer does that |
| 16:45.20 | cog|away | Shirik: i took all the fighters out of my home sector and forgot to leave one behind for transwarp >< |
| 16:45.27 | Shirik | cog|away: Good! |
| 16:45.30 | cbreak | hmm? it's quite obvious why it breaks apps |
| 16:45.33 | Shirik | Oh, ty for information |
| 16:45.38 | Shirik | now I can go attack your home sector |
| 16:45.39 | cbreak | if an application looks for some file foo.abc |
| 16:45.44 | cbreak | and the file is actually Foo.abc |
| 16:45.46 | cbreak | it doesn't find it |
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| 16:46.28 | Industrial | do I need a reason Shirik? Why would I need a reason? |
| 16:46.46 | Shirik | (12:44:09) (Industrial) also why would I want a case insensitive file system |
| 16:46.46 | Shirik | (12:44:25) (@Shirik) Because a case insensitive filesystem makes sense |
| 16:46.56 | cog|away | Shirik: that's what happened last night... i didn't say it's still that way ;) |
| 16:47.04 | kd3 | only for windows users who are used to brain-damaged filesystems... |
| 16:47.05 | Shirik | cog|away: You didn't say it's not either |
| 16:47.16 | Industrial | Shirik: you are not telling me why it makes sense |
| 16:47.22 | Industrial | why you think it makes sense* |
| 16:47.23 | cog|away | I still have... protection ;) |
| 16:47.26 | Shirik | Besides, I'm not stupid. I have holo scanners. How do you think I knew it was ok to come in and take your attack |
| 16:47.40 | Shirik | and then take back the planets |
| 16:47.52 | Shirik | however you are beginning to piss me off as I can't just keep buying fighters all the time |
| 16:48.37 | Shirik | so I have to figure out some way to control that sector, but Esamynn|Away is all sleepy :P |
| 16:49.01 | cog|away | i don't even have enough turns to get to the stardock atm so you should be safe for a while ;) |
| 16:49.14 | Shirik | Well you'd better hope I don't find you |
| 16:49.17 | Shirik | I know what ship you're in |
| 16:49.23 | Shirik | I don't think you stand much of a chance in that thing |
| 16:49.54 | cbreak | I don't know how to make a HFS+ filesystem case sensitive/insensitive without reformating |
| 16:49.57 | Shirik | Because there's no good reason to have a Foo and a foo on the same location |
| 16:49.59 | Shirik | I thought I already said that |
| 16:50.00 | kmcguire | What game is this, Shirik? |
| 16:50.14 | jnwhiteh | you can't cbreak, not any way that I know. |
| 16:50.20 | Shirik | kmcguire: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=120197#post120197 |
| 16:50.36 | cbreak | anyway, it's insensitive by default, so you brought it uppon yourself :) |
| 16:50.48 | jnwhiteh | you can just repartition the drive |
| 16:50.54 | jnwhiteh | and format a new one that isn't CS |
| 16:51.10 | Shirik | oh nm, I see you got a flagship again cog|away |
| 16:51.15 | Shirik | too bad |
| 16:53.19 | Shirik | kmcguire, you're welcome to join; we need more :) |
| 16:54.10 | kmcguire | You guys in the little one or the big one (500 sector or 5000)? |
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| 16:54.24 | Shirik | both, but we're talking about (and play more) the 5000 |
| 16:55.27 | cbreak | repartitioning also erases everything on the disk |
| 16:55.32 | cbreak | at least with standard disk utility |
| 16:55.43 | cbreak | or can it shrink partitions nowadays? |
| 16:56.08 | jnwhiteh | why would you use a standard disk utility |
| 16:56.19 | cbreak | because it's free... |
| 16:56.20 | jnwhiteh | you've been able to resize non-destructively for .. 25 years |
| 16:56.25 | jnwhiteh | so is any free resizer |
| 16:56.29 | jnwhiteh | UBCD |
| 16:56.32 | cbreak | not with disk utility |
| 16:56.34 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 16:56.34 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:56.38 | jnwhiteh | again |
| 16:56.41 | jnwhiteh | why would you use that? |
| 16:56.49 | jnwhiteh | gpartde |
| 16:56.51 | jnwhiteh | gparted |
| 16:56.52 | jnwhiteh | free |
| 16:56.54 | jnwhiteh | easy to use |
| 16:56.56 | jnwhiteh | win! |
| 16:56.56 | cbreak | because I have it. everyone does. |
| 16:57.01 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 16:57.04 | Shirik | what, gparted is open source software |
| 16:57.05 | jnwhiteh | but it does not do what you want it to do. |
| 16:57.06 | jnwhiteh | so.. |
| 16:57.08 | Shirik | open source software can't be good |
| 16:57.08 | cbreak | for gparted you'd have to install a compiler, or linux |
| 16:57.20 | jnwhiteh | NO |
| 16:57.20 | jnwhiteh | you download the Ultimate Boot CD |
| 16:57.20 | jnwhiteh | burn it |
| 16:57.20 | jnwhiteh | and boot |
| 16:57.20 | jnwhiteh | simple. |
| 16:57.23 | jnwhiteh | takes no time |
| 16:57.26 | jnwhiteh | you're being obtuse =( |
| 16:57.37 | cbreak | try to find a linux that boots on a mac |
| 16:57.40 | cbreak | a live cd |
| 16:57.46 | cbreak | lax doesn't seem to work |
| 16:57.48 | cbreak | slax I mean |
| 16:57.50 | Industrial | ubuntu, archlinux |
| 16:57.56 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 16:57.58 | jnwhiteh | epic fail dude =) |
| 16:58.04 | cbreak | hmm? |
| 16:58.11 | Shirik | does ubcd work on macs? |
| 16:58.12 | cbreak | what do you mean? |
| 16:58.15 | Shirik | I never bothered to try |
| 16:58.51 | cbreak | I only tried ubuntu on a PC, but not the live cd variant. I didn't like it. |
| 17:01.09 | Chompers | is gparted the way to go if i want to resize a primary partition with vista on it? |
| 17:02.24 | Hirsute-Home | I've not tried with Vista, I've used it with XP partitions in the past, though, and I don't think there were any major changes to NTFS between the two. |
| 17:03.02 | Shirik | Chompers: Sure, just be sure to run chkdisk before and after the resize |
| 17:03.33 | Shirik | before because it will make the resize go so much faster (and a defrag probably wouldn't hurt too), and after because, well, gparted isn't known for doing everything perfectly :) |
| 17:05.37 | Chompers | ah okay |
| 17:06.04 | cbreak | I've stopped using several partitions on the same disk |
| 17:06.23 | cbreak | enough trouble to handle all the disks :) |
| 17:06.36 | cbreak | ZFS pooling would be nice |
| 17:08.42 | Chompers | time to give gparted a try |
| 17:19.55 | foxlit | "We think they are in a better place in 3.1." - GC |
| 17:20.13 | foxlit | "No, no, your grandma just went on vacation..." |
| 17:21.26 | Thunder_Child | if i want to max out spell dmg/crit, would inscription or JC work better? |
| 17:21.49 | cbreak | inscriptions only provide shoulder enchants? |
| 17:21.54 | cbreak | you can get those from hodir afaik as well. |
| 17:21.58 | Thunder_Child | neck? |
| 17:22.08 | Thunder_Child | i thought inscription did neck enchant |
| 17:22.09 | foxlit | why not both? |
| 17:22.16 | cbreak | the malygos quest neck seems superior to everything else I've seen |
| 17:22.26 | cbreak | neck enchant? maybe. |
| 17:22.37 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, because you need ench as well |
| 17:22.48 | foxlit | Which is just two +spellpower rings? :) |
| 17:23.23 | Thunder_Child | 2 +32 spell power rings |
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| 17:31.55 | Seerah | :D |
| 17:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | What else is there to occupy me on a gorgeous Sunday afternoon? |
| 17:32.49 | Thunder_Child | the outdoors? |
| 17:35.45 | |Jelly| | what's that? |
| 17:35.54 | mikma | eww, fresh air |
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| 18:36.07 | Hirsute-Home | PTR question: Once I've downloaded and installed the client, I can create a new character just fine, correct? I don't have to wait for my copied character to make it there? |
| 18:36.50 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 18:36.52 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 18:37.24 | Hirsute-Home | Awesome. |
| 18:37.40 | Hirsute-Home | I'll just log in to do my testing then, rather than waiting for the toon copy to happen. |
| 18:38.58 | kraftman | is there any reason why this wouldnt work: |
| 18:38.59 | kraftman | http://pastey.net/110251 |
| 18:39.00 | kraftman | :S |
| 18:39.18 | Fisker- | I WILL HUNT YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH DO YA HEAR ME? |
| 18:39.56 | Fisker- | someone drove over my cat :( |
| 18:40.00 | kraftman | :( |
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| 18:41.31 | Hirsute-Home | :( |
| 18:44.07 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Fisker |
| 18:44.08 | purl | There, there, Fisker. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:47.17 | Hirsute-Home | This has probably been asked repeatedly, so I do apologize. Are the PTR patches hosted at alternate locations, or are they only to be had via the downloader |
| 18:47.19 | Hirsute-Home | ? |
| 18:49.29 | Legorol | Hirsute-Home: http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ |
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| 18:55.08 | Tekkub | Hirsute-Home, http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors_(PTR) |
| 18:59.53 | Hirsute-Home | Thanks, both of you |
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| 19:32.43 | kd3 | whee for getting the text message alerts about how delayed my parents' flight is getting |
| 19:39.46 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, kd3. But at least you know they're running late! |
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| 20:11.49 | Shirik | ugh |
| 20:11.54 | Shirik | someone started the microwave! |
| 20:12.11 | Shirik | Whomever had the brilliant idea of putting wireless networks on the same frequency as household microwaves was a moron |
| 20:13.03 | Lopeppeppy | ... my microwave doesn't bother my wireless. What kind of ghetto system do you have going there, Shirik? |
| 20:13.10 | Shirik | It's not all |
| 20:13.14 | Shirik | but maybe 50% or so |
| 20:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty common. Microwaves spit out crap over the 2.4GHz frequency, clogging the wireless tubes with trash. |
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| 20:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | (I know a guy who, when he didn't want to raid but still be there "in spirit" would raid next to his microwave while cooking dinner.) |
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| 20:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | (laptop, of course) |
| 20:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | Of course. |
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| 20:15.47 | Tekkub | wheeee! http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/3356850395/ |
| 20:15.59 | Tekkub | items that need enchats, sockets or gems :) |
| 20:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | Someone needs to get busy. :) |
| 20:16.43 | mikma | tekkub: christmas lights rules ok |
| 20:19.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: wtb? |
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| 20:26.11 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, soon |
| 20:26.21 | Tekkub | need to do weekend builds still |
| 20:29.38 | NightHawkTheSane | although that red is kind of ugly :) |
| 20:33.36 | Aznamir | Anyone seen Iriel? |
| 20:33.57 | alestane | ~seen Iriel |
| 20:34.01 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 19h 16m 47s ago, saying: 'Shirik: is your question not answered in the docs?'. |
| 20:34.10 | Shirik | stop that! |
| 20:34.44 | Aznamir | haha |
| 20:34.44 | alestane | Sorry, I didn't know he was last seen pinging you. |
| 20:34.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ~seen Shirik |
| 20:34.48 | purl | shirik is currently on #norganna (3h 57m 56s) #wowuidev (3h 57m 56s) #wowace (3h 57m 56s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 38s, last said: 'stop that!'. |
| 20:34.55 | Shirik | it's ok alestane :P |
| 20:35.00 | Shirik | go back to hunting gnomes |
| 20:35.00 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 20:35.01 | Aznamir | anyone tried the new auto-hide stuff on PTR? |
| 20:35.18 | alestane | I should. |
| 20:35.40 | NightHawkTheSane | auto-hide? |
| 20:35.53 | Aznamir | RegisterAutoHide / AddToAutoHide |
| 20:36.09 | alestane | An attempt at support for menus that fade if you don't pick anything from them. |
| 20:36.16 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 20:36.31 | Aznamir | I tried to switch to this method and failed |
| 20:37.07 | Aznamir | after /reloadui the button does not show for ~5 seconds, then shows for 3 seconds and disappears for ever |
| 20:38.09 | alestane | Can't help you out just at the moment, but I have an add-on that I need to convert, so I'll have to try it out in a day or two. |
| 20:38.52 | p3lim | what is the 2nd arg in UNIT_ENTERING_VEHICLE? |
| 20:38.52 | Aznamir | weird.. now the child button stays and the parent hides |
| 20:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, what? |
| 20:40.11 | alestane | I didn't THINK you got onto the game while I wasn't looking. |
| 20:40.18 | alestane | It's okay, I'm hunting one gnome specifically. |
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| 20:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | If it's Chromie, kill her dead dead dead. |
| 20:43.23 | Lopeppeppy | Otherwise, play nice! |
| 20:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Why do you have Chromie? |
| 20:44.21 | ScytheBlade1 | *hate |
| 20:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | Chromie is not a gnome. *sulk* |
| 20:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, okay, that makes more sense |
| 20:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Wasn't thinking of that |
| 20:45.54 | NightHawkTheSane | she has this thing against dragons |
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| 20:46.49 | Ethiopia | I'm hungry. |
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| 20:48.46 | denial_ | hey guys, i'm just starting up programming a simple addon, and was hoping someone can point me in the right direction of using lua to create frames/buttons etc for it |
| 20:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:48.59 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 20:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | ~pil |
| 20:49.03 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:50.10 | denial_ | heh |
| 20:51.07 | jamesjr | Hey Denail_ , guess what? |
| 20:51.13 | denial_ | whats up |
| 20:51.14 | jamesjr | Denial_* |
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| 20:56.02 | denial_ | lol alright then :P |
| 20:59.36 | Industrial | http://cdn-i.dmdentertainment.com/funpages/cms_content/17161/daisyowl_industrial.gif |
| 20:59.38 | Industrial | cute |
| 20:59.39 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:02.42 | mikma | tekkub: so what's that xmas lights addon? |
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| 21:06.54 | Tekkub | Bimbo |
| 21:08.19 | mikma | what does it do? |
| 21:08.35 | Tekkub | be.imba, minus the critique |
| 21:09.18 | mikma | don't actually know what's the whole idea anyway |
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| 21:10.32 | AbsolutRayne | OH NOES THE TADPOLES |
| 21:11.24 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: >: |
| 21:11.43 | Tekkub | mikma, it just tells you items that are missing enchants, sockets or gems |
| 21:12.38 | mikma | tekkub: uuuuuuuh :D |
| 21:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wow |
| 21:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15668071726&sid=1 |
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| 21:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, twinkie got himself leveled out. |
| 21:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Off of a lightwell! |
| 21:18.22 | Lopeppeppy | Too freakin' funny |
| 21:18.31 | Lopeppeppy | I leveled today off exploration XP |
| 21:20.33 | Lopeppeppy | If you want to twink, youh ave to know how to manage your XP |
| 21:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | bgs should just give xp. :P |
| 21:21.34 | Lopeppeppy | I can't wait. |
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| 21:25.36 | |Jelly| | woot! My UI was trolled. yay |
| 21:25.53 | alestane | That's a sure sign of making it in this country. |
| 21:26.23 | Cairenn | on my site? |
| 21:26.32 | |Jelly| | No, on the WoW forums. |
| 21:26.36 | Cairenn | okay |
| 21:26.44 | |Jelly| | I'm sure someone got mad cause I told some tard off last night for stalking Ryas. |
| 21:26.56 | |Jelly| | @Cairenn: <3 |
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| 21:27.46 | Cairenn | was just gonna smack someone's fingers if it was on my site |
| 21:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 21:27.54 | Cairenn | on the wow forums though, can't do anything |
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| 21:28.43 | bleeter | OK smarties, I got a question for those who think they know all about WoW... what's the following error message mean: |
| 21:28.52 | bleeter | "That spell cannot be cast on beast master or invisible god targets." |
| 21:29.01 | smcn | rofl |
| 21:29.09 | Industrial | wat. |
| 21:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy! |
| 21:29.33 | zenzelezz | bleeter: clearly you should stop trying to cast it on stealthed paladins |
| 21:29.39 | bleeter | 'weirdest error message ever' thread in CSF |
| 21:32.42 | smcn | well it's not even in GlobalStrings.lua |
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| 21:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: speaking from things I cannot speak of, it means they have what amounts to GM mode enabled on their character. |
| 21:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's their dumbed down version of it though. Doesn't give you anything special aside from "can't be touched by anything" |
| 21:49.36 | Industrial | ! |
| 21:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly my screenshots were accidently wiped out in a format. =[ |
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| 21:59.39 | kd3 | ya, that's a rather fun thing to run in to when gms are on your account but forget to deflag themselves when they're done |
| 22:01.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It is totally useless to anyone who encounters it, as it gives them -no clue- what is up, but to anyone who can flip that switch they know perfectly well what is up |
| 22:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Does anyone know if there is an easy way, either through config files or compile options, to disable Apache processing of OPTIONS and PROPFIND methods? I don't want to reject page requests using those methods, I want to pass the processing along to the dynamic page (PHP in this case) being requested. |
| 22:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[BB[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B |
| 22:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry wrong button |
| 22:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 22:03.29 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: yeah, GM Mode was obvious ;) |
| 22:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | well, not 'GM Mode' but rather 'GM Invulnerability' would be a better fit |
| 22:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It also prevents you from taking portals |
| 22:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It is also an awesome way to despawn bosses |
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| 22:15.38 | Sixen | Sbo, you can also chat with both factions, :P |
| 22:15.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That too. |
| 22:16.55 | bleeter | zomg it's Sixen HAI U! |
| 22:17.04 | bleeter | been so long I think I may even owe you a happy new year =)) |
| 22:17.06 | Sixen | :) |
| 22:17.11 | Sixen | Rofl, you too bleeter. |
| 22:17.19 | Sixen | I've been perma-afk lately due to Baseball, :(. |
| 22:17.51 | bleeter | hopefully on the swinging end of the bat, not the hitting end ;) |
| 22:18.00 | Sixen | Yes, ;) |
| 22:18.08 | bleeter | :) |
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| 23:23.15 | Gnarfoz | hum |
| 23:23.29 | Gnarfoz | anyone noticed the authenticator popup's title? |
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| 23:29.44 | p3lim | what is the 2nd arg in UNIT_ENTERING_VEHICLE? |
| 23:31.13 | Mike-N-Go | p3lim: Check out wowprograming.com |
| 23:31.45 | p3lim | says nothing |
| 23:31.49 | p3lim | its not documented |
| 23:32.07 | Mike-N-Go | You could test the event. |
| 23:38.21 | Mike-N-Go | What does the little star stand for that is next to the name of an addon on wowinterface.com? |
| 23:38.54 | Lopeppeppy | On what particular page, Mike-N-Go? |
| 23:39.35 | Mike-N-Go | For example, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat55.html. |
| 23:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I think I see now (did some surfing). If it's the red star, when I hover over it, the popup is "Popular! (more than 5000 hits.) |
| 23:39.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, same star, same message. |
| 23:40.08 | Mike-N-Go | I take it means it has a lot of downloads for example. But was curious what the threshold was. |
| 23:40.17 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, so 5K and it gets a star. |
| 23:40.37 | Lopeppeppy | At least, that red star. There may be other stars upon thars that we haven't seen yet. |
| 23:46.56 | foxlit | The red star in "My Addons" is mysterious |
| 23:48.29 | p3lim | hm I want to create a new bar that represents pet and vehicle buttons |
| 23:48.37 | p3lim | hard? |
| 23:50.22 | foxlit | approximately |======| hard |
| 23:50.47 | cbreak | harder than lead, softer than tungsten. |
| 23:51.16 | Wobin | foxlit: That's what -she- said |
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| 23:51.34 | p3lim | never made actionbars before |
| 23:53.51 | p3lim | they just need to show the spells, doesnt need to be clickable, movable, show any tooltip, nothing, just a reference |
| 23:53.52 | p3lim | :p |
| 23:54.49 | foxlit | so you want an action bar that isn't an action bar |
| 23:55.37 | Wobin | a nonaction bar so to speak |
| 23:57.30 | p3lim | yeah |
| 23:57.38 | p3lim | actually |
| 23:57.58 | foxlit | GetPetActionInfo and concat the textures into a font string |
| 23:58.02 | p3lim | can start with the possessbar |
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