| 00:00.10 | kd3 | ooh |
| 00:00.10 | kd3 | +self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_GAINS_VEHICLE_DATA"); |
| 00:00.11 | kd3 | +self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_LOSES_VEHICLE_DATA"); |
| 00:01.45 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/tiete.jpg |
| 00:02.30 | ckknight | vehicle data? |
| 00:02.32 | End | it wasn't dark ages everywhere though, was it? |
| 00:02.59 | kd3 | getting into/leaving a vehicle |
| 00:03.10 | ckknight | no, science in the Islamic world was doing pretty well, End |
| 00:04.13 | ilovemrdoe | that graph makes me think of carl sagan |
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| 00:11.02 | ckknight | kd3: mother nature's a whore. |
| 00:11.08 | mikma | Desecration is now also caused by Scourge Strike. |
| 00:11.10 | mikma | hehee |
| 00:11.34 | Dagmar | Well, that drops a spell out of the rotation |
| 00:11.42 | kd3 | whee, vault of archavon finally got its map implemented |
| 00:11.53 | Dagmar | Who needs a map there? |
| 00:12.03 | Dagmar | ...and why are people letting those people into the raid? |
| 00:12.04 | mikma | hah |
| 00:12.14 | mikma | "omg i'm lost in VoA" |
| 00:12.26 | kd3 | EoE has a map... so does VH... |
| 00:12.40 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Instance_maps.21 |
| 00:13.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to meet the guy who got lost in VH. |
| 00:14.03 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 00:15.13 | Thunder_Child | wht isnt the sound setup of a system dynamic so you can change the sound output on the fly? |
| 00:15.39 | kd3 | you can using pulseaudio... |
| 00:16.04 | kd3 | it's a linux thing |
| 00:16.16 | Thunder_Child | says it's cross platform |
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| 00:16.39 | ScytheBlade1 | only kinda sorta |
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| 00:17.35 | Thunder_Child | since in vista the sound is all a software wrapper i'm surprised it isnt done that way |
| 00:17.48 | kd3 | hm... they already added boss #2 in vault on the map |
| 00:17.49 | kd3 | damn |
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| 00:22.14 | NeoTron | ok guys - this does NOT look like a "dark blade of oblivion" http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/march/ulduarloot/item_build_9684_52.jpg |
| 00:24.04 | ckknight | looks kinda bright |
| 00:24.10 | ckknight | like the bright blade of oblivion |
| 00:24.12 | ckknight | also, rainbows |
| 00:24.17 | ckknight | (and fairies) |
| 00:24.25 | Dagmar | It's got the new Enhant Weapon - Solar Power on it |
| 00:24.27 | Bibi` | Cute Blade of Oblivion!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:24.34 | Bibi` | Use: Tickle fight! |
| 00:24.45 | Codex| | anyone port over gear_rating_fu to ldb? |
| 00:25.06 | ZorbaBeta | bibi, that would be like the train set or piccolo, only it makes everyone nearby /laugh |
| 00:27.34 | p3lim | Is there some macro or something that lets me empty every single action button? |
| 00:27.59 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.09 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: there's some API methods to manipulate action buttons, yes. |
| 00:30.24 | mikma | see if abs2 does it already |
| 00:30.27 | p3lim | im thinking, pick up the action, clear the mouse |
| 00:30.29 | p3lim | abs? |
| 00:30.42 | NightHawkTheSane | wowwiki or wowprogramming probably have the answer |
| 00:30.47 | mikma | action bar saver |
| 00:35.25 | p3lim | mikma: nope, nothing i can see atleast |
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| 00:36.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be pretty easy to write a macro, or a simple lua function if a macro is too short, to do that, I think. |
| 00:36.52 | NightHawkTheSane | also, hah.. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/15661689003--work.html |
| 00:37.05 | p3lim | found this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9757-Janitor-ButtonCleanup.html |
| 00:38.28 | mikma | PickupAction(i) ClearCursor() |
| 00:38.28 | p3lim | I knew it! |
| 00:38.30 | p3lim | yep |
| 00:39.05 | NightHawkTheSane | course, thirty seconds of searching wowwiki and you could have found that like 10 minutes ago |
| 00:42.06 | kd3 | ah, no wonder this patch is so huge. they added the music for the argent tournament and some of the ulduar raid |
| 00:44.34 | NeoTron | I noticed ulduar was missing all music before |
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| 00:45.52 | mikma | are you sure you just didn't press ctrl+m |
| 00:46.10 | NeoTron | of course |
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| 00:46.19 | NeoTron | note what kd3 said above ;-) |
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| 00:46.54 | mikma | instances have music? hmmmh =) |
| 00:47.05 | mikma | i should listen at them sometime |
| 00:48.04 | NeoTron | I usually do a few times and then tire of it |
| 00:48.12 | NeoTron | but the BT music is one of my favorite |
| 00:48.34 | NeoTron | I don't recall if it's location specific but the large open area with supremus has really good music |
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| 00:51.10 | NeoTron | Best. Comment. Ever: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/15671119784-kill-yoggsaron-in-22-minutes-or-less.html |
| 00:51.25 | Dagmar | Twenty-two minutes?? |
| 00:51.28 | Dagmar | Good lord |
| 00:52.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: no, don't worry, thats a typo. ;) |
| 00:52.56 | mikma | yeah i usually tpyo the same |
| 00:53.06 | Dagmar | Maybe form a group of umm... 12 priests, 12 paladins, and one hunter |
| 00:53.09 | mikma | "i'll be there in 22 minutes" |
| 00:53.19 | Dagmar | Bubble and ruuuuuuun |
| 00:53.30 | Dagmar | AoE everything at the end |
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| 00:56.12 | kd3 | whee. arkenstone got the tap for the argent tournament music |
| 00:56.46 | Castigo | guys does anyone knows if thre is a way of knowing player x,y,z in the world? or just x,y. Even in instance tho |
| 00:57.27 | Dashkal | z is not available ever, and x, y aren't available in instances |
| 00:57.45 | kd3 | x,y will be available come 3.1, though |
| 00:57.47 | Thunder_Child | they are in 3.1 |
| 00:57.57 | Dashkal | They added them? oh sweet |
| 00:57.57 | ZorbaBeta | I was about to ask if x,y was doable in instances in 3.1 |
| 00:58.01 | ZorbaBeta | oh man that's so exciting :D |
| 00:58.05 | kd3 | but ya, z is not made available to the UI. anywhere |
| 00:58.22 | Castigo | under no condition? |
| 00:58.30 | Castigo | meh |
| 00:58.42 | Castigo | that sucks tbh |
| 00:58.59 | ZorbaBeta | castigo, yeah, z is basically impossible |
| 00:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The game gets along just fine without it |
| 00:59.08 | kd3 | we've gotten by without it for 4 years... I think it'll be ok |
| 00:59.18 | ZorbaBeta | and blizz has made it reasonably clear that they don't *really* like people getting x and y either |
| 00:59.29 | ZorbaBeta | (otherwise it wouldn't involve jumping through quite so many hoops :P) |
| 00:59.37 | Castigo | yea i suppose due to addons like qh |
| 00:59.53 | Castigo | which i suppose blizz is not really fan of |
| 01:00.02 | ZorbaBeta | they haven't said one way or the other. I haven't asked either. :) |
| 01:02.50 | Castigo | is there actually any "workaround" to obtain z? |
| 01:03.05 | ZorbaBeta | in all practicality: no. |
| 01:03.08 | Castigo | i mean, how does the distance frame of dbm actually works? |
| 01:03.23 | ZorbaBeta | there are a few cases where in theory you might be able to derive some information, given a lot of work, but in the general case you're just kind of boned. |
| 01:03.24 | Castigo | doesn't he does the square root of the coords? |
| 01:03.30 | ZorbaBeta | you can determine which of your abilities are within range |
| 01:03.51 | ZorbaBeta | if you also know the max and min range of those abilities, you can determine what range you're within an enemy of |
| 01:04.05 | ZorbaBeta | note that there's no way to retrieve *any* coordinates for targeted things, only for yourself. |
| 01:04.06 | Castigo | no, i'd like to know where is the player located in a 3d environment like the game is |
| 01:04.08 | Castigo | insie one instance |
| 01:04.14 | ZorbaBeta | yes, I know you'd like to. You can't. |
| 01:04.15 | Castigo | or outside doesn't matter much |
| 01:04.20 | ZorbaBeta | It's just not possible. |
| 01:04.31 | ZorbaBeta | I'd like to also. :P |
| 01:05.58 | Castigo | another silly question |
| 01:06.05 | Castigo | "commercial" addons like carbonite |
| 01:06.16 | Castigo | i noticed that uses some ingame icons |
| 01:06.24 | Castigo | isn't that against copyright or something? |
| 01:06.43 | ZorbaBeta | well, if they're pulling the icons directly from the blizzard datafiles once ingame, no, because the icons aren't being distributed |
| 01:07.07 | ZorbaBeta | they're just saying "hey give me icon OrcWithASword" and the game is saying "alright, here ya go" and they're rendering it |
| 01:07.12 | mikma | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443189629&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 01:07.24 | ZorbaBeta | that said, blizzard seems to be a bit lax with use of their icons, seeing as how every online database site on the planet uses 'em |
| 01:07.25 | mikma | look at the reply nr.32 |
| 01:07.31 | mikma | cool portrait! |
| 01:08.30 | Castigo | zorba i understand but wowhead for example is not commercial or am i wrong? |
| 01:08.49 | ZorbaBeta | first, that doesn't matter - there's no copyright exemption for nonprofits |
| 01:09.29 | kd3 | http://www.blizzard.com/us/legalfaq.html |
| 01:09.34 | ZorbaBeta | second, wowhead is owned by a quite-commercial company. :P |
| 01:09.36 | Castigo | i know, but i would suppose blizz to be more relaxed on non profit :P |
| 01:09.43 | kd3 | read that ^ |
| 01:09.48 | Castigo | ty |
| 01:10.26 | ZorbaBeta | also, wowhead's covered with ads |
| 01:10.32 | ZorbaBeta | so, if you think they're nonprofit . . . |
| 01:12.14 | Castigo | well... ok call me silly but i tought that the ads were up just to "pay" the server |
| 01:12.19 | Castigo | and the management of the websit e:P |
| 01:12.32 | ZorbaBeta | and the salaries of the people working on it |
| 01:12.37 | Castigo | yes |
| 01:12.41 | ZorbaBeta | and the profit that keeps it worth doing in the first place |
| 01:12.47 | ZorbaBeta | isn't that kind of the definition of commercial? :) |
| 01:13.01 | Castigo | well... if all that is earned is "spent" i see no profit :P |
| 01:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ............... |
| 01:13.15 | kd3 | ... |
| 01:13.20 | Castigo | i mean spent inside the company on wages etc.. |
| 01:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ............... |
| 01:13.30 | ZorbaBeta | if I make money, and spend it on a bitchin' fast car, is that not profit? :) |
| 01:13.33 | ZorbaBeta | I mean |
| 01:13.39 | ZorbaBeta | I'd love for it not to be, 'cause then my taxes would go down a lot |
| 01:13.42 | Castigo | ZorbaBetau know what i meant |
| 01:13.43 | ZorbaBeta | but, sadly, it is |
| 01:13.48 | Castigo | i meant |
| 01:14.02 | Castigo | if company earns 3k per month and spend 3k month "to survive" |
| 01:14.03 | Cairenn | the main point that really needs to be discussed is the fact that the site in question is a member of Blizz's FanSiteProgram, so very obviously Blizz doesn't have a problem with them using their icons |
| 01:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much every WoW related site out there qualifies as "commercial" |
| 01:14.28 | ZorbaBeta | but there's the point - what's the difference between a company "surviving while paying the owner a good salary" and the owner of the company "making a profit"? |
| 01:14.39 | Cairenn | most game companies don't object to fan sites using their graphics, as long as all "this is copyright [Company]" notices are properly displayed |
| 01:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Castigo: the ratio of money in to money out has NOTHING to do with commercial vs. otherwise |
| 01:14.47 | ZorbaBeta | in a very simple situation, any "profit" that the company makes goes directly into the owner's pocket |
| 01:14.58 | ZorbaBeta | (real companies tend to be much more complicated than that, but that's a reasonable overview) |
| 01:15.13 | Mike-N-Go | What does .com stand for? |
| 01:15.13 | ZorbaBeta | if the company does badly, the owner takes home a smaller paycheck. if the company does well, the owner buys a bitchin' red car. |
| 01:15.31 | Castigo | well according to that eula then any icons/model/texture can be used anywhere as long as you mention that it's copyrighted by blizz |
| 01:15.42 | Castigo | (as long as u don't sell the content itself) |
| 01:15.51 | ZorbaBeta | castigo, if blizzard doesn't object, then that is true. whether blizzard objects or not is entirely up to them. |
| 01:16.09 | Cairenn | not entirely true, Castigo, you missed a lot of what I said there |
| 01:16.12 | ZorbaBeta | hell, if blizzard didn't object, I could make a game called "World of Warwarcraft", that happened to use the WoW client and all the content and graphics |
| 01:16.17 | ZorbaBeta | they *would* object, of course |
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| 01:16.26 | ZorbaBeta | but it really does just come down to the whims of Blizzard. |
| 01:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaBeta: only one way to find out |
| 01:16.53 | ZorbaBeta | scythe, actually, I think I'd call it "World of Better Than Warcraft" |
| 01:16.57 | ZorbaBeta | I'm sure Blizzard wouldn't mind that |
| 01:17.03 | Castigo | Caienn according to that webpage |
| 01:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:17.20 | Castigo | "You acknowledge and agree that you may not sublicense, assign or otherwise transfer this license or the Downloaded Content and that no title to the Downloaded Content has been or will be transferred to you from Blizzard Entertainment® or anyone else" |
| 01:17.23 | Thunder_Child | "World of Wincraft" |
| 01:17.42 | Castigo | and 'you must include or maintain all copyright and other notices contained or associated with such Downloaded Content.' |
| 01:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Castigo: license != artwork |
| 01:18.07 | Arrowmaster | Mike-N-Go: .com means nothing, its just 3 letters, if it actually ment something then you would have to prove youre a commercial company to get one |
| 01:18.33 | Castigo | ScytheBlade1 no, read "including, but not limited to, any files, codes, audio or images incorporated in or generated by the software (collectively the "Downloaded Content")" |
| 01:19.07 | Castigo | it states that aslong as u don't resell them, quote the copyright, and don't use them in cheats/bots/pronsite it's fine |
| 01:19.12 | Castigo | atleast to my eyes it does |
| 01:20.12 | Castigo | so virtually u can code ur world of wincraft that uses all the data of the real one |
| 01:20.20 | Castigo | as long as u quote that the data comes from "there" |
| 01:20.25 | Castigo | and u don't sell the data itself |
| 01:20.31 | Castigo | or am i wrong? |
| 01:20.40 | kd3 | that's not a fansite, now is it? |
| 01:20.55 | ZorbaBeta | castigo, as long as blizzard doesn't object to you doing so, yes. Of course, they would. |
| 01:21.16 | ZorbaBeta | seriously, this isn't hard to understand - Blizzard could send Wowhead a cease-and-desist tomorrow, and Wowhead would have no choice but to shut down |
| 01:21.27 | Cairenn | actually, no |
| 01:21.33 | Cairenn | they would have to remove the offending items |
| 01:21.38 | Cairenn | not necessarily shut down :p |
| 01:21.44 | ZorbaBeta | well, yes, true :P |
| 01:21.50 | Castigo | ZorbaBeta ok, understood |
| 01:21.57 | ZorbaBeta | it could make for an interesting legal battle on whether wowhead's derived data fell under blizzard's copyright |
| 01:22.50 | Castigo | talking out of mind instead |
| 01:22.55 | Cairenn | Castigo: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/downloads.xml <== download and read the enclosed documentation |
| 01:23.01 | Castigo | Time-lost proto drake :P |
| 01:23.02 | ZorbaBeta | but basically, yeah. all those sites exist only because Blizzard permits them to. |
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| 01:24.27 | Castigo | did anyone managed to figure out anything else than the patrolling routes? 'cause after 500 comments on wowhead i gave up myself reading :P |
| 01:25.26 | ZorbaBeta | I'm pretty sure that the only things of note are the routes and the fact that he's rare |
| 01:26.05 | ZorbaBeta | everything after that is of the form "well one of us died on skadi and we got the first achievement but not the second and then the first guy got battleressed and it took us exactly 4 minutes and 19 seconds and the mount dropped! so if you do exactly the same thing then the mount will drop for you too :D :D :D" |
| 01:27.07 | Castigo | zorba aye |
| 01:27.27 | Castigo | which is why i wonder |
| 01:27.34 | Castigo | what "drives" that mob |
| 01:28.07 | ZorbaBeta | I imagine it's a random number generator attached to a simple spawn trigger. |
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| 01:28.48 | Castigo | nah |
| 01:29.01 | Castigo | i'm fairly sure there is a sort of rule, lore based |
| 01:29.11 | ZorbaBeta | what are you basing that on? |
| 01:29.25 | alestane | Every now and then someone wants to know whether the random number generator used for loot is a PRNG or a TRNG. |
| 01:29.32 | Castigo | same as u for the random generator, a guess |
| 01:29.48 | NightHawkTheSane | a guess cannot be "fairly sure" |
| 01:29.57 | ZorbaBeta | alestane, my guild leader makes a different person into the raid leader each week to "re-seed the random number generator" |
| 01:30.15 | ZorbaBeta | all the programmers in the guild laugh at him behind his back :P |
| 01:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: do you hit them until they stop? |
| 01:30.27 | alestane | I presume he can't be persuaded that it doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference? |
| 01:30.51 | ZorbaBeta | we only tried once or twice. as things of that sort go, it's fairly harmless |
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| 01:31.59 | bleetah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661689052&sid=1 |
| 01:32.34 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: I usually don't have to. There's generally someone more caustic around willing to try and convince them that there's no such thing as a TRNG...and that just because it's conceivably possible to predict a PRNG, first you have to know the algorithm, then you have to guess the seed, then you have to track how many calls are being made to it. |
| 01:33.07 | Aznamir | Whatever the algorithm is, I think it is very sensetive to day of the week |
| 01:33.34 | alestane | bleetah: I've seen less reasonable suggestions. |
| 01:33.34 | Aznamir | my guild raided MC on Tuesdays in 2 years we got 0 bindings, 0 eyes of rag, etc |
| 01:33.39 | Legorol | speaking of RNGs: |
| 01:33.46 | Castigo | Aznamir LOL |
| 01:33.47 | Aznamir | ither guilds got a lot of each raiding on other days |
| 01:33.47 | ZorbaBeta | alestane, well, if you're willing to believe in quantum physics, there is such a thing as a TRNG. and if we're willing to accept the definition of TRNG as "something which cannot be derived from even an infinite list of the previous random numbers generated", then it's easily provable to exist |
| 01:33.56 | Legorol | on my realm, the same quest has been the heroic and normal daily for at least 3 days in a row now |
| 01:33.57 | ZorbaBeta | that said it's definitely not necessary for something like WoW :P |
| 01:33.57 | kd3 | bleetah, win |
| 01:34.05 | Legorol | i think my realm's RNG is broken |
| 01:34.21 | bleetah | kd3: yeah it's not the first time I've suggested it... please /sign and get guildies to sign |
| 01:34.22 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, I've had CoS as the daily heroic for three days in a row or so |
| 01:34.23 | Legorol | i didn't track earlier, but someone said it's been going for a week now |
| 01:34.30 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: it's not just the heroic |
| 01:34.31 | Castigo | it's inmoment like this i thank god my guild uses dkp |
| 01:34.33 | Legorol | it's the daily as well |
| 01:34.34 | kd3 | streakiness is a sign of good randomness |
| 01:34.37 | bleetah | kd3: you know it's game breaking without it... and for the life of me I don't get why more don't bitch about it |
| 01:34.39 | Legorol | i mean normal |
| 01:34.44 | ZorbaBeta | I will admit that starts seeming more than a little unlikely |
| 01:35.01 | Legorol | because it's just simply repeating the same thing, i think that the reshuffler is broken |
| 01:35.06 | Legorol | the thing that forces NPCs to switch quest |
| 01:35.23 | Legorol | not all daily quests change over at the daily reset time, see cooking daily |
| 01:35.35 | bleetah | ah, zorba's here.. just the person I wanted to ask. is determing which WG quests one has in one's log and auto-sharing really as stupidly complex to code up as it's appearing to me right now? |
| 01:35.36 | Legorol | the cooking daily has approximately 36 hour length if i remember right |
| 01:36.12 | ZorbaBeta | bleetah, it shouldn't be too complicated - figure out what the "wintergrasp" heading is in each language (this might even exist in the globalstrings), iterate through quests, share |
| 01:36.33 | ZorbaBeta | I mean you're looking at more than ten lines of code, but less than a hundred |
| 01:36.48 | bleetah | ZorbaBeta: yeah it's that heading thing that has me amazed. I was kinda expecting that to be buried in the quest ID foo stuff. |
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| 01:36.52 | kd3 | is it a bread box? |
| 01:36.59 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's not. |
| 01:37.07 | bleetah | didn't realise one can't determine a quest's zone form a full link foo.. ugh |
| 01:37.07 | NightHawkTheSane | no, larger than a bread box. |
| 01:37.23 | ZorbaBeta | a lot of the API seems carefully designed to do exactly what is needed for the stock interface |
| 01:37.39 | ZorbaBeta | which is kind of frustrating when you're trying to gather information in any way that doesn't result in you generating the stock interface :P |
| 01:37.44 | bleetah | yeah, problem is there's no UI whatsoever to manage Wintergrasp ;) |
| 01:37.51 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: another way of saying it is that C functions are coded as and when needed for the stock UI to work? |
| 01:38.18 | ZorbaBeta | legorol, what I'm getting at is that there's very tight coupling |
| 01:38.26 | Legorol | i'd expect that though |
| 01:38.30 | ZorbaBeta | they don't design a reasonable interface for "making UIs" |
| 01:38.35 | Legorol | i don't think they design the C side and Lua side separately |
| 01:38.39 | bleetah | I've been hacking on Wintergrasper, I've got a bunch of cool things in so far. Kick and ignore idiot mages opening stonard portals on the WG portal, that kinda foo. Working on AFK detection and auto-quest sharing atm |
| 01:38.39 | ZorbaBeta | they design "what is the easiest way that involves the least Lua code", or at least they used to |
| 01:38.51 | Legorol | they go "we need the UI to do this, this needs to be done in C, this in Lua" |
| 01:39.08 | ZorbaBeta | they've kind of stopped lately, but a lot of the early stuff still feels like the Lua segment was a red-headed stepchild |
| 01:39.17 | Legorol | hehe |
| 01:39.35 | Legorol | i think Blizz put in a lot of effort (relatively, considering that AddOns are "unsupported") to try and make things more general in the API |
| 01:39.42 | ZorbaBeta | (as an example for recent good interfaces, check out the new quest tracker system, which is almost explicitly designed to be easily hookable and moddable) |
| 01:39.49 | bleetah | could someone in contact with Zoot do me a big favour? Ask him whatever happened to the issue of profession trainers having no 'go see NPC X for more training' gossip anymore. |
| 01:39.50 | ZorbaBeta | they have *lately*, I agree |
| 01:39.55 | ZorbaBeta | the early stuff, a little more dubious. :) |
| 01:40.05 | Legorol | well yeah, but at the start they had to ship a game |
| 01:40.08 | Legorol | and not worry about addons :) |
| 01:40.09 | ZorbaBeta | true |
| 01:40.10 | bleetah | i saw some poor new player get sent to silithus instead of hammerfall yesterday for his FA |
| 01:40.19 | ZorbaBeta | I kinda wish they'd go back and revamp the early UIs, but |
| 01:40.34 | ZorbaBeta | er, early APIs |
| 01:40.35 | Legorol | btw, look at the whole SecureTemplate stuff |
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| 01:40.42 | bleetah | very admirable that a 35 got to silithus, unfortunately the tirade he let fly with in /trade as a result of the jerks and missing profession gossip... will prolly mean his account got actioned :( |
| 01:40.45 | Legorol | that is wholly just for the benefit of addon authoring |
| 01:41.38 | ZorbaBeta | blizzard overall seems to have a very bipolar attitude towards UI mods, I must say :) sometimes they're willing to work up an entire new incredibly-complex system just so UI mods can still do cool stuff |
| 01:41.54 | Legorol | bleetah: that is very sad, there are still people who are joining the game fresh and don't know a lot about it, and people are not very kind/helpful towards them :( |
| 01:41.59 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes they give you the finger and leave hideously-designed APIs around |
| 01:42.05 | Legorol | often people laugh at people who don't know how to get FA up |
| 01:42.16 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes they intentionally make stuff easier, sometimes they intentionally leave stuff hard-but-still-possible. It's quite odd. |
| 01:42.21 | Mike-N-Go | Legorol: FA? Whats that! |
| 01:42.36 | bleetah | Legorol: I kinda got into a bit of an argument with Crepe last night, he said that Blizz are good at playing the game as 'fresh'... I pointed out the profession trainer's gossip.... |
| 01:42.38 | Legorol | judging from the context bleetah quoted it in i'm guess it's first aid |
| 01:42.41 | bleetah | yeah |
| 01:43.10 | Legorol | i'm confused bleetah, what was the argument for/against? |
| 01:43.12 | bleetah | anyways, I recall Zoot saying he'd poke the folks responsible. I tend to get the feeling that was over a year ago. |
| 01:43.31 | bleetah | the loader screen, though, still has pleyer tips and hints telling you trainers will tell you where to go |
| 01:43.42 | Legorol | oh the missing trainer gossips |
| 01:43.48 | Legorol | yes that's a bad one |
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| 01:44.15 | Legorol | tbh, it wasn't a very noticable feature to start with... very people i know found their way to stuff based on that, it's easy to miss those texts |
| 01:44.22 | Legorol | very few |
| 01:44.38 | bleetah | so either remove the loader screen tips, or restore the gossip |
| 01:44.57 | Legorol | if they do readd it somehow, i prefer they went with the more modern approach and have a speech-bubble style gossip when you have to go train elsewhere |
| 01:45.05 | Legorol | rather than just the trainer's default text changing |
| 01:45.15 | Legorol | it's hard to miss a change in a line of text you are used to skipping over |
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| 01:45.26 | Legorol | hard->easy |
| 01:45.30 | Legorol | bleh, my mind is bonkers |
| 01:45.33 | bleetah | personally, what I'd do.. is like mount training |
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| 01:45.51 | bleetah | 'congratulations, bleeter. you've maxed your skill with NPC in ZONE. Now, come see me in NEWZONE for more training' |
| 01:45.51 | Legorol | how does that work? nothing actually sends you to them.. |
| 01:46.05 | Legorol | wow what? |
| 01:46.06 | bleetah | Legorol: when they moved to lvl 30 mounts, you now get a mail telling you where to go |
| 01:46.08 | Legorol | is that something new? |
| 01:46.12 | Legorol | awesome |
| 01:46.39 | Legorol | i haven't dinged 30 on anything since it was lowered to that ^^ |
| 01:46.57 | bleetah | I've only dinged one, iirc. |
| 01:47.11 | bleetah | and I was like 'Whoa... I remember making a Suggestion post about this wonder if that was me lolol' |
| 01:48.03 | bleetah | so yeah, I've filed a bug about the profession gossip.. hmm.. maybne I should file a Suggestion to use the mail system instead |
| 01:48.13 | bleetah | that way they don't have to reimplement new gossip |
| 01:50.48 | bleetah | and done |
| 01:50.51 | bleetah | personally, I blame cide |
| 01:51.41 | Legorol | Is there a way for a macro conditional to detect that flying mounts are *not* usable in Dalaran? |
| 01:51.52 | Legorol | [flyable] seems true there |
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| 01:52.30 | kd3 | we've been bitching for [flyable] to be false there... |
| 01:52.33 | bleetah | it's bugged |
| 01:52.43 | bleetah | hah I was about to say that's kd3's pet bitch |
| 01:53.06 | bleetah | so it's still not working on PTR? :( |
| 01:53.08 | Legorol | i guess same applies to WG? |
| 01:53.15 | bleetah | works in WG iirc |
| 01:53.17 | Legorol | ah ok known issue, then i'm happy |
| 01:53.28 | kd3 | neg, I think wg's still broken too |
| 01:53.57 | bleetah | well yes WG's a broken pile of steaming.... but I'm sure my mount macro works there. |
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| 01:57.35 | bleetah | nm me, the mount macro works around that bug |
| 02:04.10 | bleetah | seriously, is it just me or is the Lua engine... a little crash prone atm? |
| 02:04.17 | Thunder_Child | you |
| 02:04.21 | Thunder_Child | it's always you |
| 02:04.28 | Castigo | actually places of Dalaran |
| 02:04.37 | Castigo | that don't contain Dalaran in the name are flyable |
| 02:04.53 | Castigo | so i suppose [flyable] true as "zone" make sense |
| 02:05.43 | Castigo | and dalaran is flyable with "special" mounts |
| 02:05.50 | Castigo | like KT one for example |
| 02:05.58 | Castigo | (but i suppose that is a bug instead) |
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| 02:15.46 | AbsolutRayne | 30 Page thread on Rogues saying Sub needs to be fixed. You think theyde listen. Then GC makes a post thats a total slap in the face. |
| 02:15.54 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you still have one of the ptr torrent downloaders? |
| 02:16.00 | AbsolutRayne | I guess all rogues should be assassination then. So much for balance in the specs. |
| 02:18.08 | bleetah | I dunno whether to be annoyed I can't fly the headless horseman's mount in Dalaran, or that I have to resummon it to fly away and leave. |
| 02:19.07 | kd3 | ? |
| 02:19.47 | kd3 | I just get ptr builds directly from the http seeds in 256k chunks and cat them together |
| 02:19.59 | bleetah | kd3: was that ? at me? |
| 02:20.06 | kd3 | nah, at Arrowmaster |
| 02:20.06 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 02:20.09 | bleetah | kk |
| 02:20.21 | Arrowmaster | people keep complaining that wowtorrentex doesnt work with the ptr downloaders |
| 02:20.40 | kd3 | because I think it doesn't, any more |
| 02:20.42 | Legorol | kd3: are there http seeds? when i disable peer-to-peer, my download doens't progress at all, and can't connect to any http seeds |
| 02:20.52 | Arrowmaster | it worked with the last live patch afaik |
| 02:20.59 | Legorol | wowtorrentex's been broken for a while now i think |
| 02:21.01 | Arrowmaster | and it works with the 3.0.1 ptr patch |
| 02:21.02 | kd3 | Legorol, yes, very much so |
| 02:21.12 | Legorol | US or EU? |
| 02:21.15 | Legorol | maybe EU is different? |
| 02:21.16 | kd3 | us |
| 02:21.33 | kd3 | wget -nv http://12.129.232.126/WoW-0.1.0.9614-to-0.1.0.9626-enUS-patch.exe/{0..140} |
| 02:21.39 | kd3 | fudge params as necessary |
| 02:21.44 | Legorol | if i could connect to an http seed but get 0 download rate, at least i'd have a URL to go by |
| 02:21.55 | Legorol | but i don't even get that |
| 02:22.02 | Legorol | with peer-to-peer disabled, it's just dead in the water |
| 02:22.06 | Arrowmaster | i just checked and the only downloader i can get from the wow site is the 3.0.1 ptr, and that one does work with wowtorrentex |
| 02:22.47 | kd3 | I don't have any of the intermediate downloaders lying around atm. all I keep is the patches themselves, sorry |
| 02:23.08 | bleetah | what pisses me off about the patching in general is I can't apply a fucking 20MB patch without >1GB free. |
| 02:23.13 | Arrowmaster | does anybody out there have one? |
| 02:23.31 | Thunder_Child | have what? |
| 02:23.40 | Arrowmaster | one of the ptr downloaders |
| 02:23.51 | Arrowmaster | so i can try to extract a torrent from it |
| 02:24.40 | Arrowmaster | bleetah: i had to install wotlk on another computer and copy all the files over because i couldnt get the installer to run without something like 15gb of freespace |
| 02:25.17 | Legorol | kd3: could you check for me if the patch downloader, when you start it up, tries to connect to any IP address and try to get /updater/Download.ini via http? |
| 02:25.42 | Legorol | sorry /update/Download.ini |
| 02:25.48 | Legorol | bleh |
| 02:25.53 | Legorol | ok, really, the correct version this time: |
| 02:26.04 | kd3 | "I don't have any of the intermediate downloaders lying around atm. all I keep is the patches themselves, sorry" |
| 02:26.14 | Legorol | my EU PTR patcher tries to get that file via HTTP, but gets a 404 |
| 02:26.34 | Legorol | oops i missed that, sorry |
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| 02:28.16 | kd3 | oh wow. sf is finally getting ready to move beyond cvs/svn |
| 02:28.29 | bleetah | wut? people still use sf? |
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| 02:28.44 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/sourceforge-adds-support-for-new-version-control-systems.ars |
| 02:28.56 | Arrowmaster | they already launched git support |
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| 02:29.42 | Arrowmaster | but afaik not all of their standard repo hooks have been converted yet, stuff like cia notifications |
| 02:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/285133 |
| 02:30.26 | Syzgyn | I feel dirty :( I died on Noth |
| 02:31.02 | Thunder_Child | like 08:00:48.2090 Checking for background download http://206.16.22.128/background/WoW-3.0.2.8885-x86-Win-enUS-BKGND.torrent? |
| 02:31.14 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 02:31.17 | Thunder_Child | fail log |
| 02:31.49 | bleetah | kd3: I guess people do use SF, then |
| 02:32.00 | bleetah | most folks I know left it during the CVS to SVN cockups |
| 02:32.05 | kd3 | same |
| 02:32.45 | kd3 | only reason I still see links to it any more is for people exporting a git revision and uploading the resulting tarball for mirroring |
| 02:32.52 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:33.27 | bleetah | ah yes, the mirrors. they're still useful >< |
| 02:34.14 | bleetah | while on the subject of DVCS, someone please confirm that the new Blizz MMO is being contrsucted using one. I think I'd gouge my eyes out if they continue to use the serial foo >< |
| 02:35.08 | kd3 | I think they'd be insane not to, unless it's been lying around in wait since before the rise of git |
| 02:35.20 | kd3 | which is, of course, entirely possible |
| 02:42.10 | batrick | anyone think that Ledgerdemain has any sort of connection to heath ledger? |
| 02:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.fmylife.com/107795 |
| 02:43.59 | kd3 | oh, wow. fail |
| 02:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 02:48.19 | bleetah | this throws an error that the toon running the code is 'busy'... any ideas what's wrong? http://bleeter.pastey.net/110112 (still waiting for WG to pop to actually test it all for real, this is just testing the code in Dal) |
| 02:48.34 | bleetah | batrick: no, because it's not spelt the same |
| 02:52.21 | batrick | bleetah: ? |
| 02:52.42 | batrick | I was thinking maybe it could be broken down as "Ledger da man" |
| 02:53.27 | batrick | and possibly other more weak interpretations |
| 02:57.41 | bleetah | batrick: Ledger vs Legerdemain ... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legerdemain |
| 02:58.12 | batrick | ah... I didn't know about that word |
| 02:58.24 | batrick | o well, at least I learned a new word out of this |
| 02:59.02 | batrick | o and ++ bleetah for using mw instead of dictionary.shit |
| 02:59.24 | batrick | s/.shit/.com/ |
| 02:59.40 | Arrowmaster | so does anybody know much about digitally signed windows binarys |
| 02:59.52 | kd3 | say, wow patches? |
| 02:59.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: what about them? |
| 02:59.57 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:00.12 | Arrowmaster | like if theres a way to tell where the signiture starts |
| 03:00.17 | Arrowmaster | since its at the end of the file |
| 03:00.27 | Aznamir | you get a certificate |
| 03:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc from byte 0 to the last byte before the sig |
| 03:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Anything less would defeat the point |
| 03:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I've changed MSI metadata and it nuked the signature |
| 03:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Changed it back and it was still bad |
| 03:01.12 | Arrowmaster | no i ment, i want to read the last 8 bytes of the data before it was signed |
| 03:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, so you want exact specifics |
| 03:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That I don't know, but MS likely has it documented somewhere on technet |
| 03:01.43 | Arrowmaster | vs reading the last 8 bytes of the file, which doesnt work anymore |
| 03:01.47 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 03:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | MSDN |
| 03:02.01 | Arrowmaster | where the hell is shirik |
| 03:07.01 | AnduinLothar | warlock/protpally good 2s team? |
| 03:08.04 | Syzgyn | Warlocks are fun to kill :) |
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| 03:15.04 | bleetah | yay another 3x WG hax matches in less than 20mins... /sigh |
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| 03:19.46 | bleetah | is there an API to access the status of the walls of the keep in WG? |
| 03:20.03 | bleetah | *API which I could use to... |
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| 03:23.44 | bleetah | I'll post on UI then |
| 03:23.46 | bleetah | zomg |
| 03:24.00 | bleetah | first genuine UI post in... longer than I care to remember :D |
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| 03:26.50 | Thunder_Child | how is it that no one in game has lag and i have no lag but WoW |
| 03:28.44 | bleetah | ? |
| 03:29.03 | Thunder_Child | what? |
| 03:29.29 | Thunder_Child | oh..i mean WoW is the only thing laging net wise for me |
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| 03:30.19 | sacarasc | Your router sucks, buy a new one. |
| 03:30.36 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: ping pong |
| 03:30.39 | Thunder_Child | it's rather unusual |
| 03:30.53 | ckknight | AbsolutRayne: you're only supposed to do the ping part |
| 03:31.24 | AbsolutRayne | But I wanted a game of Ping Pong with you |
| 03:31.28 | AbsolutRayne | I guess youre too good for me then |
| 03:31.33 | AbsolutRayne | Ill just go play with Thunder_Child |
| 03:31.35 | ckknight | yep |
| 03:31.58 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong |
| 03:32.15 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Trippin' balls! |
| 03:32.38 | AbsolutRayne | ckknight: I just wanted to say to you (and your team) that the new version is basically what ive been waiting for, and im sure im not the only one. Awesome job. :) |
| 03:32.52 | ckknight | new version of what? |
| 03:32.57 | AbsolutRayne | PitBull4 |
| 03:33.00 | ckknight | ah, okay |
| 03:33.04 | ckknight | well, it's not quite done yet |
| 03:33.08 | ckknight | still have work to do |
| 03:33.23 | ckknight | glad you like it, though |
| 03:33.25 | Thunder_Child | like making the frames NOT STICKY |
| 03:33.33 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: hold shift. |
| 03:33.38 | AbsolutRayne | Just pleasepleaseplease add in Custom Background Colors in for the bars <_< |
| 03:33.45 | Thunder_Child | oh....gonna go try that |
| 03:33.46 | ckknight | file a ticket. |
| 03:34.03 | bleetah | Thunder_Child: ahh it makes sense now :) |
| 03:34.03 | Thunder_Child | so much easier to bug you ghere though ckknight |
| 03:34.04 | AbsolutRayne | Will do. On the WoWAce site I assume? |
| 03:34.15 | ckknight | yep |
| 03:34.33 | ckknight | bah, Repo's not in here |
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| 03:35.09 | ckknight | @postaticket AbsolutRayne pitbull4 |
| 03:35.10 | Repo | ckknight: Please submit a ticket at http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/create-ticket/ for that request, AbsolutRayne. |
| 03:35.15 | ckknight | there we are. |
| 03:35.20 | ckknight | <.< |
| 03:35.21 | ckknight | >.> |
| 03:38.08 | AbsolutRayne | Postededed |
| 03:38.14 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, shift does not do it.....and this is config mode |
| 03:38.22 | ckknight | alt or ctrl, then |
| 03:38.28 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Shift works for me O_o |
| 03:38.36 | Thunder_Child | nothin works for mwe |
| 03:38.39 | Thunder_Child | me* |
| 03:38.45 | Thunder_Child | non-stop sticky |
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| 03:43.29 | Arrowmaster | seriously wheres shirik, i perty much found the needed info to fix wowtorrentex, i just dont do C or know much about windows executables |
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| 03:55.05 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, did you just delete my ticket? |
| 04:04.13 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: no |
| 04:04.26 | ckknight | and tickets can't be deleted |
| 04:04.55 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, well i just made one and it's gone...amnd it says i have no open tickets |
| 04:04.57 | ckknight | Shefki marked it as a dupe |
| 04:04.58 | Thunder_Child | and* |
| 04:05.02 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/projects/pitbull4/tickets/267-config-mode-frame-movement/ |
| 04:05.06 | Thunder_Child | oh, well it's a different version |
| 04:05.32 | Thunder_Child | not an issue? |
| 04:05.50 | ckknight | it is an issue |
| 04:05.55 | ckknight | why wouldn't it be? |
| 04:05.58 | Thunder_Child | i mean the different version part |
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| 04:47.23 | Syzgyn | so whoever it was that linked fmylife.com earlier, I hate you for making me stay up late and read them |
| 04:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You're welcome |
| 05:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: it could be worse. You could click the "Moderate" link up top. |
| 05:00.48 | Syzgyn | hah, I know better than that. |
| 05:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | My dad gave me a condom and said to "never have sex but if I do, use this". I put it in my dresser. Tonight many friends were in my room both guys and girls. My dad sticks his head in the door and asks if I still have the condom. I said yes. He smirked, "loser" and shut the door... FML |
| 05:06.43 | Codex| | funny story bout fmylife. my little sister told me to go there once but i thought she said "f my wife". turned out to be a baaad site |
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| 05:16.50 | Fisker- | ZorbaBeta |
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| 05:17.07 | ZorbaBeta | yo |
| 05:17.26 | Fisker- | Zorbathegeek? :o |
| 05:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | :P |
| 05:17.48 | Fisker- | So you're not the hunter i just met? |
| 05:17.51 | ZorbaTHut | nope |
| 05:18.05 | Fisker- | :o |
| 05:19.11 | Fisker- | someone should start a hategroup for the wine glass daily cooking quest |
| 05:19.31 | selckin | arent you a paladin? |
| 05:19.48 | Fisker- | yep |
| 05:19.51 | selckin | bubble and run into the horde inn, always enough glasses up |
| 05:20.01 | Fisker- | i'm a horde paladin |
| 05:20.08 | Fisker- | and there's never any glasses here |
| 05:20.14 | Fisker- | but good idea |
| 05:20.57 | Fisker- | even less glasses on the alliance side |
| 05:21.53 | selckin | daillies never match up on my realm, i can always get 6 frm the horde in |
| 05:22.31 | Fisker- | i don't like you guys using your brains to do quests |
| 05:22.49 | Fisker- | sorcery i say |
| 05:22.57 | selckin | i hate the carrot one |
| 05:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Today, I received my passport in the mail. They got my birthdate wrong. Then I picked up my birth certificate that I had sent in with the application. Turns out my parents have been celebrating my birthday on the wrong day for 16 years. |
| 05:23.39 | selckin | 90% of the time we get meatloof from the sewer tho, it almost seems on purpse by blizzard |
| 05:23.52 | Fisker- | i lol'd ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:23.56 | Iriel | what? that quest is easy - some in the sewer, some in ledgermain, and some in wine shop |
| 05:24.26 | selckin | Iriel: depends on time of day, most of the time its impossible to find a spawned glass on my realm |
| 05:24.28 | Fisker- | what do you need a passport for though? :3 |
| 05:24.50 | Fisker- | a quest that requires me to look in THREE different places isn't a proper quest! |
| 05:25.05 | Fisker- | i almost broke a fingernail collecting the damn glasses |
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| 05:38.10 | Legorol | selckin: there's a trick to it |
| 05:39.02 | Legorol | the wine glasses are grouped into sets, as far as i can tell there are four sets: as iriel said, the legerdemain lodge, wine shop, the sewer inn, and the alliance inn (i forget the name) |
| 05:39.24 | Legorol | these sets are independent, but within a set all glasses respawn simultaneously |
| 05:39.36 | Legorol | or rather, a subset of possible glasses respawn simultaneously |
| 05:40.12 | Legorol | say in legerdemain, i think 4 glasses spawn, among all the possible spawn locations (a bunch downstairs, and a few upstairs in the bedrooms) |
| 05:40.31 | Legorol | these four will spawn together, at a set time after the last glass was previously looted |
| 05:46.29 | Syzgyn | Geeze, Ulduar achievements are crazy |
| 05:46.49 | Thunder_Child | "Armored Supermodels" is the best description of amazon warriors i have heard yet |
| 05:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | most all of them are a work in progress as far as I know |
| 05:47.06 | Syzgyn | Yeah, they're not tuned obviously |
| 05:47.15 | Syzgyn | but the basic ideas are interesting |
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| 05:47.41 | Syzgyn | Also, fuck those Shocking-esque achievements |
| 06:03.24 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: how many days off was it? |
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| 06:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 06:05.14 | Arrowmaster | your birthday |
| 06:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That was quoted from another website |
| 06:05.39 | Arrowmaster | then use quotes next time |
| 06:10.35 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
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| 06:34.35 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, ping |
| 06:42.35 | Tekkub | dong |
| 06:42.53 | Thunder_Child | whats the / command for friendswithben...etc. |
| 06:43.00 | Tekkub | nil |
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| 06:43.26 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 06:43.28 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 06:43.38 | Thunder_Child | it just "does" it ? |
| 06:43.41 | Tekkub | yes |
| 06:43.50 | Thunder_Child | i assume it only adds |
| 06:43.59 | Tekkub | no |
| 06:44.16 | Thunder_Child | it deletes people as well? |
| 06:44.28 | Tekkub | if you remove them when it's loaded, yes that syncs |
| 06:44.54 | Thunder_Child | does it work for ignore as well? |
| 06:44.58 | Tekkub | no |
| 06:45.04 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 06:47.42 | Tekkub | there any addons out there already that "remember" tradeskill links seen in chat |
| 06:47.58 | Tekkub | and possibly also auto-announces your own links to the guild addon channel? |
| 06:47.58 | AnduinLothar | 2 STR is 1 BV, right? |
| 06:48.24 | Tekkub | Improves block value by (Strength / 2), rounding down, for all classes capable of blocking warrior, paladin, and shaman) |
| 06:49.20 | AnduinLothar | i dunno why the wowhead prot pally default stat rankings are so weird.... |
| 06:49.32 | AnduinLothar | they have str reallly high, higher than stam |
| 06:49.33 | Tekkub | just to piss you off |
| 06:49.41 | Tekkub | I thought EJ gave them the weights |
| 06:49.45 | AnduinLothar | and they have block rating higher than parry... |
| 06:49.47 | Tekkub | maybe they're out of date |
| 06:49.58 | AnduinLothar | and they dont even have expertise on the list.. |
| 06:50.02 | Tekkub | parry does have nasty diminishing returns |
| 06:50.20 | AnduinLothar | yeah but block rating is the suck... |
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| 06:50.28 | Tekkub | minor detail |
| 06:50.39 | Tekkub | if there's no expert, then yea I bet they're out of dat |
| 06:50.41 | Tekkub | *date |
| 06:51.05 | AnduinLothar | once you get to the top 5 items you can basicly delete block value as a stat, cause you can get to unhittable without trying |
| 06:51.17 | AnduinLothar | with holy shiled up |
| 06:51.28 | AnduinLothar | and raid buffs |
| 06:51.56 | AnduinLothar | which makes any hit rating above unhittable equal to exactly zero |
| 06:51.58 | Thunder_Child | eg. once you can ignore bv, you can ignore bv |
| 06:52.10 | AnduinLothar | no, BR, not BV |
| 06:52.27 | Thunder_Child | you said bv |
| 06:52.27 | Tekkub | CBR and CBV |
| 06:52.44 | AnduinLothar | BV is always useful cause there's no cap |
| 06:53.02 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is really that a lot of stats have strongly discontinuous weighting. if they wanted to do it right, they'd have a few checkboxes for "already crit-immune", "already unhittable", etc |
| 06:53.14 | ZorbaTHut | and then recalculate weighting based on that |
| 06:53.38 | AnduinLothar | right, but even before any of that why the fuck is str rated almost as high as defense... that's just absurd |
| 06:53.46 | Tekkub | except what if the item in question is the one you have, and replacing it will make you not unhittable? |
| 06:53.53 | Tekkub | then the weights don't work! |
| 06:54.13 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, shrug. at some point, you either need to type your entire equipment set in, or you have to trust that the user ain't stupid :) |
| 06:54.19 | Tekkub | tanking stats is such a fun juggle |
| 06:54.24 | Thunder_Child | cant be @2 then |
| 06:54.30 | Thunder_Child | s/@/#/ |
| 06:54.39 | Thunder_Child | PEOPLE ARE STUPID, leave it at that |
| 06:54.42 | ZorbaTHut | tanking is awesome |
| 06:54.46 | Tekkub | aye |
| 06:54.51 | ZorbaTHut | someday I need to finish leveling a healer or a dps just to see what it's like |
| 06:54.54 | Tekkub | and you can't fix stupidity with code |
| 06:54.54 | ZorbaTHut | but oh man, tanking is so much fun |
| 06:54.58 | Thunder_Child | it's like win |
| 06:54.58 | Tekkub | you can only pad it |
| 06:55.09 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, I have a very popular UI mod that attempts to do exactly that :D |
| 06:55.17 | Tekkub | and fails |
| 06:55.19 | Thunder_Child | i prefer dps to tanking and healing...no stress |
| 06:55.27 | ZorbaTHut | it succeeds more than it fails! but yeah sometimes, welp |
| 06:55.52 | Tekkub | I don't think it succeeds at fixing stupid |
| 06:56.05 | Tekkub | it only guides stupid so stupid doesn't hurt itsled |
| 06:56.08 | Tekkub | *itself |
| 06:56.24 | Tekkub | i.e. padding |
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| 06:58.51 | Thunder_Child | wow this is both fail and win http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/cables.jpg |
| 07:00.47 | Shirik | Then one goes bad |
| 07:01.16 | Tekkub | nah, the real fun is when you get a short and insulation starts melting together |
| 07:01.28 | Shirik | ooh then you get one big wire |
| 07:01.43 | Tekkub | if it shorts for long enough yea :) |
| 07:02.03 | Shirik | that would be a massive wire |
| 07:02.13 | Shirik | though, those are all signal wires |
| 07:02.18 | Shirik | there wouldn't be enough current to melt anything |
| 07:02.25 | Tekkub | yea I know |
| 07:02.42 | Tekkub | that's why you wire them up to something that does |
| 07:02.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:03.28 | batrick | you would blow a fuse on the target hardware before the insulation melts |
| 07:03.53 | AnduinLothar | ok so this i dont really get.. is 340 armor and 15 str really better than 13 def rating and 32 hit rating? |
| 07:04.15 | nevcairiel | class? |
| 07:04.21 | AnduinLothar | pally |
| 07:04.30 | nevcairiel | then i don't know |
| 07:04.42 | AnduinLothar | it's fairly obviously yes for druid |
| 07:04.49 | AnduinLothar | but for other classes? |
| 07:05.05 | batrick | are you hit capped? |
| 07:05.06 | nevcairiel | depends how much hit you have, i guess |
| 07:05.16 | nevcairiel | armor is good mitigation for all classes |
| 07:05.26 | AnduinLothar | no, it'd be fairly challenging to be hit capped prot |
| 07:05.38 | AnduinLothar | i'm close |
| 07:05.48 | AnduinLothar | 7.3% |
| 07:05.55 | nevcairiel | yeah tanks usually aren't hit capped, you can usually actually afford one miss every other fight |
| 07:06.35 | AnduinLothar | but i have 7 items with hit on them |
| 07:06.40 | AnduinLothar | which is more than usual |
| 07:06.43 | ZorbaTHut | 7.34% reduced miss now :D |
| 07:07.29 | Tekkub | god I hate UPS |
| 07:07.40 | Tekkub | 3/10 departure scan |
| 07:07.44 | Tekkub | 3/12 Arrival scan |
| 07:08.04 | batrick | that sounds terrible |
| 07:08.06 | Tekkub | WE LET IT SIT AT THE AIRPORT FOR TWO DAYS TO ENSURE IT'S A 3-DAY delivery |
| 07:08.32 | Tekkub | *mumble* I better get my shit tomorrow |
| 07:09.00 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to remember a study found out that the 3-day shipping was actually slightly slower than their standard shipping |
| 07:09.25 | Tekkub | standrad ground's like 5 days MINIMUM |
| 07:09.44 | Thunder_Child | all depends on where it's coming from |
| 07:09.48 | Thunder_Child | in relation to yu |
| 07:09.53 | Thunder_Child | you* |
| 07:09.59 | Tekkub | TC, not in my experience... |
| 07:10.25 | Tekkub | when I was in AR and newegg did FedEx, from the Nashville warehouse I'd get shit overnight or 2-day |
| 07:10.36 | Tekkub | they switched to UPS, 3-day every single time |
| 07:10.47 | Shirik | Tekkub: I've gotten ground in 3 days |
| 07:10.58 | Shirik | it depends on where it's coming from |
| 07:11.20 | Tekkub | I just dispise UPS ^^ |
| 07:11.21 | Thunder_Child | isnt that what i just said? |
| 07:11.29 | Shirik | I said it better :P |
| 07:12.31 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5169188/scientists-invent-floatiest-material-on-earth |
| 07:12.58 | batrick | why o why does sftp not have tab completion |
| 07:13.08 | AnduinLothar | 77 BV > 56 parry rating? |
| 07:13.46 | Shirik | batrick.... |
| 07:13.55 | Shirik | nm |
| 07:13.56 | Shirik | misread |
| 07:14.22 | Tekkub | bah, no one has a trade link grabber addon? |
| 07:14.26 | Tekkub | I don't want to write one |
| 07:14.32 | Tekkub | or at least, not from scratch |
| 07:14.37 | Shirik | trade link grabber? |
| 07:15.06 | Tekkub | something that remembers tradeskill links it sees |
| 07:15.16 | Tekkub | mainly in guild chat |
| 07:15.23 | AnduinLothar | sbo has one |
| 07:15.31 | Tekkub | sbooge! |
| 07:15.40 | AnduinLothar | prolly wrote it himself i think |
| 07:15.45 | Shirik | sbooge o.o |
| 07:15.58 | AnduinLothar | ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:16.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:16.48 | Shirik | how did he get the name sbooge |
| 07:16.50 | Thunder_Child | no no AnduinLothar, he should have sbooge on ping status |
| 07:17.03 | AnduinLothar | sbo is his wow char's name |
| 07:17.04 | Tekkub | because I liked harassing him in beta |
| 07:17.25 | AnduinLothar | and i like to pronounce it sboo |
| 07:17.43 | AnduinLothar | and tek is dirty minded |
| 07:17.49 | Tekkub | I liked telling him whenever I sbo'd my pants |
| 07:18.16 | Thunder_Child | WIN --> http://i.gizmodo.com/5169077/retromodo-the-etherkiller-fries-ethernet-gadgets |
| 07:18.30 | Tekkub | lol |
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| 07:19.10 | AnduinLothar | rofl |
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| 07:22.21 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, wtf |
| 07:22.36 | Shirik | (And how appropriate to our earlier conversation) |
| 07:22.41 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 07:22.51 | Thunder_Child | i was ammused by that thought |
| 07:23.06 | AnduinLothar | http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ |
| 07:23.12 | Shirik | Bah! Poorly written description is poorly written! |
| 07:23.19 | AnduinLothar | Buskiller imo |
| 07:23.21 | Shirik | Essentially you are running 120 VAC though a cable that likes something in the neighborhood of 2.2-2.8. |
| 07:23.23 | Shirik | WRONG |
| 07:23.53 | Shirik | digital signals are not AC |
| 07:25.17 | Shirik | however, I have always wondered how much protection is on a Cable line |
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| 07:25.30 | Shirik | since Cable is shared, it would be problematic if there are no safeties per house |
| 07:25.35 | Shirik | i.e., fuse or something |
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| 07:28.23 | Shirik | pci killer |
| 07:28.24 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 07:28.43 | Shirik | lmao "powered hub" |
| 07:30.01 | smoke_ | anyone use oUF GCD? |
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| 07:30.15 | Shirik | I got an email from school |
| 07:30.21 | Shirik | "Upcoming Intramural Events" |
| 07:30.35 | Shirik | The contents consist of an excel spreadsheet with nothing in it |
| 07:30.39 | Shirik | that's nice |
| 07:30.58 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5168659/microwaveable-caveman-meat-snacks-from-japan |
| 07:31.50 | Thunder_Child | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/whypeopleseemtohavefreetime-1.jpg |
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| 07:32.09 | ZorbaBeta | alright, can someone explain what's going on here? print(#unsigned2b(id), #string.format("A%s", unsigned2b(id)), #unsigned2b(id)) unsigned2b returns the exact same string in all cases |
| 07:32.16 | ZorbaBeta | and I get "2 2 2" out. |
| 07:32.43 | Adys | so uh |
| 07:32.57 | Adys | what would be an adjective defining something you can get a refund for? |
| 07:34.29 | smcn | refundable? |
| 07:34.36 | Kaso | I hate java regex >< |
| 07:34.46 | Adys | is that a word smcn |
| 07:34.52 | smcn | yes |
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| 07:35.02 | Adys | hm ok |
| 07:35.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i need you |
| 07:35.11 | Shirik | I need you too |
| 07:35.28 | Adys | Shirik, Arrowmaster, let's have a threesome |
| 07:35.35 | AnduinLothar | wtf |
| 07:35.37 | Arrowmaster | ive been fucking with C code |
| 07:35.42 | Arrowmaster | its not pretty |
| 07:35.46 | Adys | what? I'm leaving you |
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| 07:35.53 | Arrowmaster | and probably very dangerous |
| 07:37.35 | ZorbaBeta | aha, found the bug. string.format() isn't NUL-safe |
| 07:37.51 | Shirik | It is under certan conditions |
| 07:37.55 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.01 | Adys | Blizz is nuts |
| 07:38.04 | Shirik | But it's based on the C library, so yes, usually it isn't |
| 07:38.07 | Adys | they want to give something to tanks |
| 07:38.08 | ZorbaBeta | it isn't under general conditions. :) |
| 07:38.11 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: What is :P |
| 07:38.15 | Adys | and rogues are going to be happy with that |
| 07:38.29 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%q", "\0") |
| 07:38.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: "\000" |
| 07:38.36 | Shirik | That's the only format specifier that you can use with \0 |
| 07:38.46 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: want to look at this for me? im fucking with PE headers and offsets and many other things i dont know wtf im doing |
| 07:38.50 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I want to use %s :P ah well |
| 07:38.52 | Shirik | sure |
| 07:38.57 | ZorbaBeta | time to just chain ..'s |
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| 07:39.35 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: supprisingly im very dangerous when given a hex editor and enough code to hang myself with even when i dont know how to make a knot using that code |
| 07:40.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:40.45 | Shirik | show it to me :P |
| 07:41.45 | Arrowmaster | http://paste.wowace.com/ifg4pzmc38qdsvhj/ |
| 07:42.10 | Arrowmaster | the end of the first function is what im fucking with |
| 07:42.45 | Arrowmaster | where it tries the first method again |
| 07:43.53 | Arrowmaster | supprisingly it actually works, but the problem is that the offset of 14 isnt always 14, its 8 bytes with a few null bytes of padding |
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| 07:45.26 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 07:45.31 | Shirik | what exactly am I looking for |
| 07:45.37 | Arrowmaster | fix it |
| 07:45.43 | Shirik | fix what! |
| 07:46.02 | Arrowmaster | the variable number of null padding bytes issue |
| 07:46.07 | Arrowmaster | i dont know C |
| 07:46.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont know wtf im doing |
| 07:46.37 | Shirik | so it's always 8, but might have a few null bytes of padding |
| 07:46.41 | Shirik | but you don't know how many? |
| 07:46.44 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 07:46.56 | Shirik | is there stuff after the null bytes? |
| 07:47.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:47.05 | Arrowmaster | the digital signature |
| 07:47.21 | Shirik | is it guaranteed not to start with 0x00? |
| 07:47.42 | Arrowmaster | ok look at the beginning of that function |
| 07:47.51 | Arrowmaster | see how its checking the last 8 bytes of the file |
| 07:48.05 | Arrowmaster | that broke when blizzard started digitally signing the files |
| 07:48.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont know if the signature can be small enough to start with a null byte |
| 07:49.03 | Arrowmaster | since the first 4 bytes of it are the size |
| 07:49.15 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 07:49.26 | Arrowmaster | it cant |
| 07:50.06 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/85509163 |
| 07:50.44 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: see what i mean about being dangerous, i half fixed something without a clue as to what the fuck im doing |
| 07:51.10 | Shirik | So, what we should do is read 8 bytes, and then keep reading null bytes? |
| 07:51.17 | Shirik | until we find something that's NOT a null byte |
| 07:51.27 | Shirik | and then we've reached the signature |
| 07:51.28 | Shirik | yes? |
| 07:51.36 | Arrowmaster | we dont want the signature |
| 07:51.49 | Arrowmaster | we want the 8 bytes that arent null bytes before the signature |
| 07:52.00 | Shirik | so why can't we just read 8 bytes? |
| 07:52.10 | Shirik | oh is that because you don't know where it is? |
| 07:52.15 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 07:52.18 | Shirik | got it |
| 07:52.27 | Arrowmaster | theres null bytes between the signature and the 8 bytes |
| 07:52.33 | Shirik | now I undersatnd the problem :P |
| 07:53.26 | Arrowmaster | without the signature those 8 bytes would be the end of the file |
| 07:56.02 | Shirik | what is temp = -nt_header.OptionalHeader.DataDirectory[4].Size; |
| 07:56.09 | Adys | Re: Microsoft Says IE Faster Than Chrome and Firefox: "Now all they need to do is patent "being the fastest" and collect royalties from anyone who beats them." |
| 07:56.23 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://blog.didierstevens.com/2008/01/11/the-case-of-the-missing-digital-signatures-tab/ |
| 07:56.57 | krka | i have prior art on being the fastest! |
| 07:57.12 | Adys | krka: thats what she said |
| 07:57.27 | krka | indeed! |
| 07:57.38 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: its the offset to the digital signature |
| 07:58.23 | Arrowmaster | again i just manage to do shit without knowing what im doing to its hard to explain |
| 07:59.30 | Arrowmaster | er actually thats the size and then i was just reading from the end of the file |
| 07:59.44 | Arrowmaster | since i couldnt get the offset to work |
| 08:00.04 | Arrowmaster | totally a hack i know |
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| 08:01.23 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: What about something like this |
| 08:01.28 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/110120 |
| 08:02.59 | Shirik | oops |
| 08:03.05 | Shirik | forgot to initialize i to 1 |
| 08:08.15 | Arrowmaster | whats _ASSERTE |
| 08:08.19 | Arrowmaster | compiler is bitching |
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| 08:09.29 | Arrowmaster | it inf looped =( |
| 08:09.43 | Shirik | Sorry, _ASSERTE is an old Microsoft macro |
| 08:09.47 | Shirik | using Win32 I figured you had it |
| 08:09.59 | Shirik | it's just an assert |
| 08:09.59 | nevcairiel | Shirik always uses bitchy MS shit |
| 08:10.02 | Shirik | you can replace it with an if or something |
| 08:10.10 | Shirik | He's already using Win32 APIs nevcairiel! |
| 08:10.22 | nevcairiel | or a real assert macro as defined in ANSI C? :P |
| 08:10.35 | Arrowmaster | silly Shirik |
| 08:10.42 | Arrowmaster | you never increaced i either |
| 08:10.46 | Shirik | Microsoft doesn't support assert() in <windows.h> |
| 08:10.46 | nevcairiel | MS has to replace everything with their own uppercase shit |
| 08:10.51 | Shirik | Sorry Arrowmaster, I originally had a for loop |
| 08:11.08 | Shirik | when I changed it I forgot to replace those :P |
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| 08:15.15 | Shirik | does it work, Arrowmaster? |
| 08:15.45 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 08:15.56 | Shirik | Then I misunderstood the problem, which wouldn't surprise me |
| 08:16.03 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/110121 is what I have now just to see if you changed it the same |
| 08:17.14 | Arrowmaster | i dont know C |
| 08:17.17 | Arrowmaster | i fucked it all up] |
| 08:17.34 | Arrowmaster | now it works |
| 08:21.28 | Arrowmaster | how the hell is the original exe 52KB but mine is 23KB..... |
| 08:23.02 | nevcairiel | fail? :) |
| 08:23.06 | Xinhuan | maybe you compiled some library functions in? |
| 08:23.10 | Xinhuan | i mean |
| 08:23.14 | Xinhuan | the original did |
| 08:23.25 | Xinhuan | while yours could have excluded it |
| 08:23.46 | Arrowmaster | i think the original was compiled with VisualStudio C |
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| 08:27.09 | Arrowmaster | over half of the original seems to be an Overlay section, whatever that is |
| 08:27.55 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: The original could have had debugging capabilities |
| 08:27.59 | Shirik | which significantly increases its size |
| 08:29.20 | Arrowmaster | its got struct IMAGE_SECTION_HEADER's of .rdata .bss and .idata that mine dont have, and a BYTE Overlay thats most of the file |
| 08:30.03 | Arrowmaster | no i dont know what any of that means |
| 08:30.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:30.12 | Shirik | It's really simple tbh |
| 08:30.31 | Arrowmaster | im dangerous with hex editors, especially hex editors that have file templates |
| 08:31.41 | Shirik | programs are split into sections which are loaded at runtime into various places of memory |
| 08:31.47 | Shirik | this is so the code can be relocatable |
| 08:33.38 | Shirik | unfortunately, I know a lot more about NI's executable formats than ELF |
| 08:33.39 | Shirik | but .bss is a common name |
| 08:33.39 | Arrowmaster | NI? |
| 08:33.57 | Shirik | national instruments |
| 08:34.15 | Arrowmaster | is that what one of your embedded systems uses? |
| 08:34.19 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:34.23 | Shirik | They make a lot of DSPs |
| 08:36.15 | Shirik | Anyone here familiar with Atlassian JIRA and how to make workflows? |
| 08:36.24 | Shirik | I'm having trouble making transitions in workflows |
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| 10:00.29 | jnwhiteh | So |
| 10:00.31 | jnwhiteh | I have a Lua string |
| 10:00.39 | zenzio | good for you |
| 10:00.41 | jnwhiteh | I believe it is \n delimited, so let's assume that for righ tnow. |
| 10:00.54 | jnwhiteh | I need to add "> " to the start of each line |
| 10:00.59 | jnwhiteh | but having some issues figuring out how to make it work |
| 10:02.17 | nevcairiel | table = { string.split(string, "\n") }; newstring = "> " .. table.concat(table, "\n> ") |
| 10:02.18 | nevcairiel | ? :) |
| 10:02.32 | jnwhiteh | that misses \n\n |
| 10:02.36 | jnwhiteh | i believe |
| 10:02.39 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 10:02.47 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.split("Hey\nthere\n\nHow are you? |
| 10:02.48 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 10:02.51 | nevcairiel | gsub? |
| 10:02.59 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.split("Hey\nthere\n\nHow are you?", "\n") |
| 10:02.59 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: , |
| 10:03.14 | jnwhiteh | weird |
| 10:04.52 | nevcairiel | lua> string.split("\n", Hey\nthere\n\nHow are you?") |
| 10:04.52 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: ')' expected near '\' |
| 10:04.58 | nevcairiel | lua> string.split("\n", "Hey\nthere\n\nHow are you?") |
| 10:04.58 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: Hey, there, , How are you? |
| 10:05.04 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d126c64e4 |
| 10:05.18 | Adys | its nice to see blizz working hard on BC content |
| 10:05.18 | Adys | :P |
| 10:05.46 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: i dont have split in stock lua, lemme try that quick tho |
| 10:05.50 | jnwhiteh | cause that would be the easiest way =) |
| 10:08.44 | foxlit | "I need to add "> " to the start of each line" |
| 10:08.45 | foxlit | gsub |
| 10:09.00 | foxlit | ">" .. origString:gsub("\n", "\n>"); |
| 10:09.45 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: that will leave a dangling one at the end |
| 10:09.59 | jnwhiteh | and not have one at the start |
| 10:10.05 | foxlit | You mean your string ends in a newline? |
| 10:10.29 | jnwhiteh | possibly |
| 10:10.33 | jnwhiteh | lemme play |
| 10:10.33 | foxlit | ">" .. origString:gsub("\n(.)", "\n>%1"); then |
| 10:10.50 | jnwhiteh | split seems to work |
| 10:10.52 | jnwhiteh | lemme try gsub |
| 10:11.19 | foxlit | the additional character capture would stop you from adding one to the end. You can just prepend the one at the start. If you don't want to add > in front of each one of multiple \n in sequence, add a closure. |
| 10:11.34 | jnwhiteh | i do want that |
| 10:11.38 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
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| 10:13.18 | jnwhiteh | return ">" .. text:gsub("\n", "\n> ") seems to do what I'd expect |
| 10:14.00 | jnwhiteh | needed code to "quote" another string in markdown |
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| 10:30.01 | foxlit | lua> s = {1256, 4143, 13537, 24012} for i=1,#s do math.randomseed(s[i]); s[i] = string.char(math.random(128), math.random(128)); end print(table.concat(s, "")); |
| 10:30.02 | lua_bot | foxlit: Oh noes! |
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| 10:31.16 | foxlit | Oh noes indeed, lua_bot. |
| 10:32.40 | Arrowmaster | wait wtf |
| 10:33.07 | nevcairiel | the pseudo random in lua is predictable if you know the seed |
| 10:33.09 | nevcairiel | nothing new |
| 10:33.18 | foxlit | In unrelated news, BIG GAPING HOLE. |
| 10:33.38 | Shirik | you are so strange foxlit :P |
| 10:33.40 | Arrowmaster | oh hes just calling math.random twice before resetting the seed |
| 10:34.28 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: now write something to obfiscuate code using that method |
| 10:34.32 | foxlit | I'd do it thrice |
| 10:34.43 | foxlit | but lua_bot's CPU execution limits beat the probability of finding a seed |
| 10:35.16 | Arrowmaster | find it locally? |
| 10:35.18 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: you can't, unfortunately -- different platforms respond differently to the same seed |
| 10:35.29 | Arrowmaster | --> s = {1256, 4143, 13537, 24012} for i=1,#s do math.randomseed(s[i]); s[i] = string.char(math.random(128), math.random(128)); end print(table.concat(s, "")); |
| 10:35.29 | batbot | Arrowmaster: Oh noes! |
| 10:35.33 | Shirik | More accurately, different C libraries |
| 10:35.45 | foxlit | > math.randomseed(0); return math.random(255), math.random(255); |
| 10:35.45 | foxlit | 624 |
| 10:35.47 | Shirik | since there's no specification of the rand() function, only a definition |
| 10:35.51 | foxlit | as in, 62, 4 |
| 10:36.00 | foxlit | lua> math.randomseed(0); return math.random(255), math.random(255); |
| 10:36.00 | lua_bot | foxlit: 215, 101 |
| 10:36.43 | foxlit | But anyway, Cide did it earlier. |
| 10:36.47 | Arrowmaster | heres a good chance for you to go poking around and figure out what C library blizzard uses |
| 10:37.05 | nevcairiel | the MS one =P |
| 10:37.10 | foxlit | on macs? |
| 10:37.16 | Shirik | you can check that with dependency walker |
| 10:37.17 | Shirik | not hard |
| 10:37.32 | Arrowmaster | on macs? |
| 10:37.42 | nevcairiel | ever noticed msvcr80.dll in your wow dir? on windows its crystal clear =) |
| 10:38.42 | Shirik | omfg |
| 10:38.46 | Shirik | that is a lot to look through |
| 10:38.54 | Shirik | wow has a lot of imports :) |
| 10:39.29 | foxlit | I suppose it's patchable. |
| 10:39.56 | foxlit | (the random stuff, that is) |
| 10:40.39 | jnwhiteh | lua> = math.randomseed(1000); print(math.random(100)) |
| 10:40.40 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'print' |
| 10:40.43 | jnwhiteh | lua> = math.randomseed(1000); print(math.random(100) |
| 10:40.44 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'print' |
| 10:40.50 | jnwhiteh | lua> math.randomseed(1000); print(math.random(100) |
| 10:40.50 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 10:40.52 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 10:40.55 | jnwhiteh | i hate myself. |
| 10:40.57 | jnwhiteh | lua> math.randomseed(1000); print(math.random(100)) |
| 10:41.01 | jnwhiteh | lua> math.randomseed(1000); print(math.random(100)) |
| 10:41.11 | mikma | uh |
| 10:41.17 | foxlit | it hates you too :) |
| 10:41.17 | jnwhiteh | did lua_bot run away? |
| 10:41.20 | mikma | that's odd |
| 10:41.26 | Arrowmaster | you broke it |
| 10:41.30 | foxlit | > 1 |
| 10:41.39 | mikma | lua> print("I is here") |
| 10:41.40 | lua_bot | mikma: I is here |
| 10:41.40 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 10:41.42 | jnwhiteh | he's ignoring me |
| 10:41.43 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:41.44 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:41.47 | jnwhiteh | flood protection |
| 10:41.49 | mikma | good job doctor. |
| 10:41.57 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.randomseed(1000); print(math.random(100)) |
| 10:41.57 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 36 |
| 10:42.01 | jnwhiteh | run it again |
| 10:42.05 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.randomseed(1000); print(math.random(100)) |
| 10:42.05 | Shirik | !!!! |
| 10:42.05 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 36 |
| 10:42.07 | jnwhiteh | aww |
| 10:42.10 | Shirik | I found an awesome import by WoW |
| 10:42.19 | jnwhiteh | there was some weirdness where lua_bot would give diff values |
| 10:42.19 | Shirik | AddAccessDeniedAce() |
| 10:42.25 | Shirik | They're planning on breaking Ace! |
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| 10:43.06 | Arrowmaster | how about back when luabot used the same randomseed at the start of every call |
| 10:43.26 | jnwhiteh | it didn't |
| 10:43.29 | mikma | shirik: lol wut's that? |
| 10:43.29 | jnwhiteh | lua> math.random(100) |
| 10:43.30 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 51 |
| 10:43.31 | jnwhiteh | lua> math.random(100) |
| 10:43.31 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 23 |
| 10:43.39 | Arrowmaster | it used to |
| 10:43.41 | Shirik | Anyway, I see no reference by WoW to rand() so it must be statically linked |
| 10:43.59 | jnwhiteh | ^^ Arrowmaster thats what yuou're referring to |
| 10:43.59 | Shirik | (On that note, I don't see any reference to Lua at all) |
| 10:44.14 | jnwhiteh | my lua interpreter at home doesn't have that behavior. |
| 10:44.18 | jnwhiteh | and i dont know why lua_bot does |
| 10:44.28 | jnwhiteh | because randomseed is DEFINITELY not invoked anywhere. |
| 10:44.40 | foxlit | same OS? |
| 10:44.44 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 10:46.08 | jnwhiteh | hell, same exact interpreter |
| 10:48.59 | foxlit | Operating systems may randomize memory allocation to prevent predictable attacks; probably could do the same thing with random numbers. |
| 10:49.40 | foxlit | (unless, of course, you're saying that lua_bot and another lua script running on the same interpreter on the same PC produce different results) |
| 10:53.00 | Shirik | Dalaran: 303 Clockwise, 232 Counter-Clockwise Laps |
| 10:55.49 | Shirik | I just did some math |
| 10:55.56 | Shirik | I average 30 seconds per lap |
| 10:56.06 | Shirik | That's 16050 seconds, or 4.45 hours |
| 10:58.20 | jnwhiteh | Bonus if you can tell me why the height of the Edit Reply Quote toolbar is different than the height of the post information |
| 10:58.21 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.59 | Shirik | you mean "Posted By..." |
| 10:59.00 | Shirik | ? |
| 10:59.02 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 10:59.05 | Shirik | It's not for me :/ |
| 10:59.12 | jnwhiteh | they may not appear it |
| 10:59.15 | jnwhiteh | but they probably actually are :P |
| 10:59.27 | jnwhiteh | if you firebug it |
| 10:59.37 | Shirik | when highlighting it looks yeah |
| 10:59.49 | jnwhiteh | the toolbar is 19px in height |
| 10:59.54 | jnwhiteh | the post info is 15 |
| 11:00.24 | Shirik | omfg |
| 11:00.27 | Shirik | I've never used this before |
| 11:00.30 | Shirik | google inspector |
| 11:00.35 | Shirik | that is a lot of info o.o |
| 11:01.01 | Shirik | Keep in mind I don't know CSS really |
| 11:01.03 | Shirik | but this looks odd |
| 11:01.05 | Shirik | height: 16px; |
| 11:01.05 | Shirik | line-height: 15px; |
| 11:01.24 | jnwhiteh | the height is computed |
| 11:01.33 | jnwhiteh | and i dont know why its computed that way at the moment =) |
| 11:02.06 | Shirik | ok |
| 11:02.45 | Shirik | I'm looking at the inheritance tree right now |
| 11:02.48 | Shirik | I do see one difference |
| 11:03.16 | Shirik | the post info has padding-bottom: 5px; and the toolbar says 0px |
| 11:03.26 | Shirik | shouldn't really make a difference I think though |
| 11:03.43 | jnwhiteh | no, because the toolbar is contained inside the post info |
| 11:03.46 | jnwhiteh | its actually a div.header |
| 11:03.47 | jnwhiteh | imo |
| 11:03.59 | jnwhiteh | yeah yeah i know it should be an h5 or something :P |
| 11:04.14 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d4e86101a |
| 11:04.27 | Adys | Whats the common point between all of those items? |
| 11:04.31 | Shirik | do yourself a favor, jnwhiteh |
| 11:04.31 | Adys | or however you call it |
| 11:04.36 | Shirik | stay away from web development ^_^ |
| 11:04.43 | jnwhiteh | ... too late? |
| 11:04.45 | jnwhiteh | i do plenty of it |
| 11:05.11 | Shirik | Adys: They're all conjured |
| 11:05.16 | Adys | not poisons |
| 11:05.20 | Adys | not gems |
| 11:05.24 | Adys | and not bandages |
| 11:05.26 | Shirik | mana gems are conjured no? |
| 11:05.30 | Adys | not anymore |
| 11:05.35 | Shirik | however Bloodboil is definitely not :P |
| 11:05.47 | Shirik | actually |
| 11:05.49 | Shirik | why is Bloodboil an item? |
| 11:06.10 | Adys | quest or something |
| 11:06.21 | Shirik | I know |
| 11:06.27 | Shirik | they're all in your list |
| 11:06.38 | Adys | thats a lie |
| 11:06.42 | Adys | i removed one of them |
| 11:06.44 | Shirik | ... |
| 11:06.44 | Adys | just so you could be wrong |
| 11:06.52 | Shirik | nonono |
| 11:06.59 | Shirik | removing one does not make me wrong |
| 11:07.02 | Adys | YES BUT |
| 11:07.05 | Shirik | because all the items you gave me ARE in your list |
| 11:07.14 | Shirik | (just more are too) |
| 11:07.43 | Adys | but then it doesnt share that property with the item i removed |
| 11:07.46 | Adys | and |
| 11:07.47 | Adys | I want it to |
| 11:07.54 | Adys | Im right, now find this |
| 11:08.23 | Shirik | items you can use in arena? |
| 11:08.27 | Shirik | can you bandage in arena? |
| 11:08.30 | Adys | hmmm |
| 11:08.33 | Adys | nice one! |
| 11:08.50 | Adys | jnwhiteh: remove padding from ul.toolbar |
| 11:08.53 | Shirik | it only occurred to me because of star's sorrow in there |
| 11:08.56 | Adys | padding:0 |
| 11:09.14 | Adys | Shirik: yeah i shouldve figured when i saw the endless mana potion |
| 11:09.20 | Shirik | yeah that too |
| 11:09.26 | Shirik | because I use endless healing pots |
| 11:09.33 | jnwhiteh | Adys: ol.discussion ul.toolbar { padding: 0; } |
| 11:09.37 | Adys | yeah that |
| 11:09.41 | jnwhiteh | its already there |
| 11:09.52 | Adys | well remove it |
| 11:09.52 | Adys | :P |
| 11:10.04 | jnwhiteh | why would I remove it? |
| 11:10.13 | Adys | its what makes it wrong |
| 11:10.16 | Adys | on my screen anyway |
| 11:10.33 | Adys | thanks a lot shirik that was it |
| 11:10.44 | jnwhiteh | that effs things up seriously on mine |
| 11:12.56 | jnwhiteh | Adys: if you can be more specific, I'd appreciate it =) |
| 11:13.00 | jnwhiteh | if not, no worries |
| 11:13.26 | Adys | jnwhiteh: firefox305 linux |
| 11:13.27 | Adys | basically |
| 11:13.36 | Adys | edit/reply/quote is "on" the bar |
| 11:13.40 | Adys | on the .. border thingy |
| 11:13.45 | Adys | looks weird |
| 11:14.01 | jnwhiteh | well firefox 3.1 and safari 4 show it above the bar |
| 11:14.07 | jnwhiteh | further above the bar than the post info |
| 11:14.08 | jnwhiteh | which is the problem |
| 11:14.26 | jnwhiteh | or actually |
| 11:14.32 | jnwhiteh | closer to the bar |
| 11:14.48 | Adys | thats weird |
| 11:14.54 | Adys | Shirik: want a harder one? |
| 11:15.10 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d344a5138 |
| 11:15.30 | Adys | if you find whats common between all of this, apart from the fact they're all usable |
| 11:15.35 | Adys | you get a lil cookie |
| 11:15.43 | Shirik | only a lil one? :( |
| 11:15.52 | Adys | you just got two for the last one |
| 11:16.35 | Adys | actually if you can find a usable item not in this list you get one too |
| 11:16.43 | jnwhiteh | Adys: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/62a4d108a6ef418136dad9bef086b243.png |
| 11:17.25 | Adys | doesnt look like that here |
| 11:17.31 | Adys | oh wait |
| 11:17.33 | Adys | you're using floats |
| 11:17.40 | Adys | you're not |
| 11:17.50 | Adys | you are |
| 11:18.07 | Adys | put <ul class="toolbar"> etc before Posted by Admin on Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:10:58 |
| 11:18.22 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 11:19.15 | Shirik | Adys: Runic Mana Potion |
| 11:19.29 | Adys | hm ok so thats that out |
| 11:19.34 | Adys | ~cookie Shirik |
| 11:19.38 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 11:19.50 | jnwhiteh | Adys: doesn't fix it |
| 11:20.12 | jnwhiteh | i'm just not going to worry about it for right nw |
| 11:20.14 | Adys | well it does here |
| 11:20.20 | jnwhiteh | have better places my time could be spent |
| 11:20.21 | Adys | whats the problem for yours? |
| 11:20.37 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't change anything if i move the ul before the Posted by |
| 11:20.40 | jnwhiteh | same issue |
| 11:21.58 | Shirik | Adys: Why do you have an item that wowhead doesn't have? |
| 11:22.07 | Adys | which? |
| 11:22.11 | Shirik | 34044 B-Ball |
| 11:22.20 | Adys | I got tons of items wowhead doesnt have |
| 11:22.50 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:23.30 | Adys | Shirik: http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=34044 |
| 11:23.50 | Adys | gee |
| 11:23.53 | Adys | its not actually usable |
| 11:25.29 | Adys | also jnwhiteh http://devcub.com/~adys/boo.png |
| 11:25.43 | jnwhiteh | I blame your rendering engine |
| 11:25.49 | Adys | I do that too |
| 11:26.02 | jnwhiteh | but yeah, i gotta work on that markup a bit |
| 11:26.05 | jnwhiteh | i threw it together |
| 11:27.27 | Adys | Shirik: still no idea then? |
| 11:27.39 | Shirik | no :( |
| 11:27.58 | Adys | maybe |
| 11:28.02 | Adys | its a gcd thing |
| 11:28.47 | Adys | ugh i dont know |
| 11:31.54 | Shirik | oh |
| 11:31.56 | Shirik | oh |
| 11:31.59 | mikma | slightly nsfw http://dilidoo.com/img/img2/20090313/comics_05.jpg |
| 11:32.36 | Shirik | maybe items that have "on use" without cooldown? |
| 11:32.49 | Adys | there are potions there |
| 11:33.02 | Shirik | where? |
| 11:33.13 | Adys | # |
| 11:33.13 | Adys | 20002 Greater Dreamless Sleep Potion |
| 11:33.14 | mikma | hehe... "Wowhead: OM NOM NOM" |
| 11:33.30 | Shirik | hm ok |
| 11:33.49 | Adys | also there are some unusable items on here but not many |
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| 12:01.42 | Adys | Shirik: I am seeking your help |
| 12:01.50 | Shirik | :< |
| 12:01.54 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d5fc63852 |
| 12:01.57 | Adys | another batch |
| 12:04.21 | mikma | adys: so, what are these lists and whats the reason behind them? :) |
| 12:04.28 | mikma | i know, itemID + name |
| 12:04.40 | Adys | itemID + name to make shirik think |
| 12:04.56 | mikma | he has superbrain that can process them |
| 12:05.11 | Adys | big time |
| 12:05.21 | mikma | so, why are you pasting them to shirik? :) |
| 12:05.45 | Adys | mikma: trying to work out the last missing flags |
| 12:05.46 | Adys | cf http://addsanddishes.blogspot.com/2009/03/wdbc-parser-custom-field-behaviour.html |
| 12:07.34 | foxlit | must of those items have durations |
| 12:07.43 | foxlit | But clearly you aren't looking for something that obvious. |
| 12:07.44 | Adys | yeah it used to be the duration flag |
| 12:07.53 | Adys | its not anymore |
| 12:08.17 | Adys | duration has its own column now |
| 12:10.08 | foxlit | And the new stuff isn't inert. |
| 12:11.44 | foxlit | on the other hand, gems are in there. |
| 12:11.56 | foxlit | so are gold fountain coins, but not silver or copper. |
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| 12:26.26 | foxlit | Gah |
| 12:26.40 | foxlit | Wonder why blizzard downloader causes so much disk thrashing |
| 12:28.23 | foxlit | I mean, it's only downloading 151 MB, and I've got several GBs of free RAM. |
| 12:28.27 | Lukian | problem solved? :p |
| 12:28.39 | foxlit | Doubt it. |
| 12:28.57 | foxlit | wonder if their code looks like |
| 12:29.00 | zenzelezz | does the downloader pre-allocate the file on disk? |
| 12:29.11 | Lukian | hehe yeah, I have my usenet client buffer binary articles to ram before writing them :) |
| 12:29.32 | foxlit | / we have a slice! f = fopen('file.bah', 'w'); fseek(f, slicepos) fwrite(f, slicebuffer) fclose(f) |
| 12:29.56 | Lukian | loool ouch |
| 12:30.03 | foxlit | zenzelezz: no |
| 12:30.15 | foxlit | Creates a .part file that grows in size. |
| 12:30.48 | mikma | just to screw with you |
| 12:31.06 | foxlit | To the whine-mobile! |
| 12:31.55 | zenzelezz | foxlit: that could be part of the reason I suppose; though that's speculation on my part |
| 12:33.54 | foxlit | Can I somehow monitor if it writes the entire file over and over or just appends to an already open handle? |
| 12:36.47 | zenzelezz | foxlit: on Windows? |
| 12:36.52 | foxlit | yes |
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| 12:37.25 | zenzelezz | the task manager has a column for "I/O write bytes", I suppose that could give you an idea |
| 12:37.59 | tlund | sysinternals also has some tools for this |
| 12:38.40 | Legorol | even better, it has a column for the number of I/O writes, if you turn that on |
| 12:39.46 | foxlit | administrator tools has something that is a little better than the task manager |
| 12:40.04 | foxlit | But basically, it keeps at around 1MB write / s |
| 12:40.06 | Legorol | oh, which one? |
| 12:40.17 | Legorol | which tool i mean |
| 12:40.21 | foxlit | While downloading at 150 kB / s |
| 12:40.26 | foxlit | "Performance" |
| 12:43.31 | Legorol | cool, i'll have to play around with that |
| 12:46.29 | foxlit | Hm, funny. I can get roughly the same write rate with uTorrent, but no actual HD noise. |
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| 13:09.10 | foxlit | "The 7th edition (holy moley!) of the Poo Lit Surprise writing competition is here! You're not going to win!" |
| 13:09.14 | foxlit | ^ uncyc is awesome |
| 13:13.48 | Legorol | Halp, I'm desperate: who can tell me what breadcrumb quest leads to Venture Bay, for Alliance? |
| 13:13.58 | foxlit | There isn't one |
| 13:13.59 | Legorol | I'd been looking all over and can't find it. |
| 13:14.34 | nevcairiel | venture bay is a pvp area, some npcs tell you about it, but noone dares to send you there |
| 13:14.48 | Legorol | cool, which NPCs tell me about it? |
| 13:14.59 | foxlit | Meh, I haven't even heard it mentioned. There are quests that lead you somewhat close to other pvp areas in the zone |
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| 13:15.24 | Legorol | In other words: if you area a soloing player with no knowledge of the game, other than accidentally stumbling on it, how do you get to Venture Bay? |
| 13:15.30 | Legorol | s/area/are/ |
| 13:15.56 | foxlit | You explore, possibly |
| 13:16.01 | alestane | If you are soloing and not looking for PvP, you probably won't care. |
| 13:16.05 | foxlit | You could find the name in achievements. |
| 13:16.15 | Legorol | On a different note: is it normal for a GM ticket to go from "your ticket will be serviced soon" to "fill out this lovely survey!" |
| 13:16.19 | foxlit | You get a shredder key from other pvp achievements :) |
| 13:16.22 | Legorol | with no GM contacting you, nor any in-game mail |
| 13:16.26 | foxlit | s/achievements/quest/ |
| 13:16.57 | Legorol | cool, which pvp quest where? |
| 13:19.14 | foxlit | the lumber mill area |
| 13:19.30 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37500 |
| 13:19.49 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12244#comments |
| 13:21.18 | Legorol | thanks foxlit |
| 13:21.30 | foxlit | I'm not sure if anything actually sends you to those guys |
| 13:21.40 | foxlit | But one of the Drakkari quests is in that general area. |
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| 13:22.22 | Legorol | i was just about to ask that :) |
| 13:22.52 | Legorol | the shredder key qualifies as a breadcrumb for Venture Bay imo |
| 13:23.20 | Legorol | so now just have to find out how you get to Blue Sky, I don't think the DTK pre-questline qualifies |
| 13:23.57 | foxlit | "Players can choose to ride timber logs from this area down river to Venture Bay." |
| 13:24.09 | Lopeppeppy | I messed up the quest lines out there intensely. I'm annoyed at how you have to do them in the EXACT order or you miss a bunch of quests. |
| 13:24.14 | foxlit | ^ That's so not obvious :/ |
| 13:24.58 | Legorol | oh? |
| 13:25.02 | Legorol | maybe i missed a lot too |
| 13:25.13 | Legorol | timber log works |
| 13:25.41 | Legorol | so, the question remains: what gets me up to blue sky :) |
| 13:26.06 | foxlit | DTK has you go up to that oil derrick |
| 13:26.36 | Shirik | cog|away: ping? Or maybe Esamynn|Away |
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| 13:37.06 | Legorol | foxlit: what sends you to the timber log riding, and how do you find the guy that sells you stuff for coins? |
| 13:37.57 | foxlit | the coin guy is near the light house in venture bay |
| 13:38.06 | foxlit | I have no idea about the timber logs, that's just wowwiki speaking |
| 13:38.23 | Lopeppeppy | So I should have gone to Venture Bay first? Ugh. *sigh* |
| 13:38.36 | Lopeppeppy | I totally freakin' hate Grizzly Hills, just for the record. |
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| 13:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah! |
| 13:39.04 | foxlit | nah, you need venture coins |
| 13:39.05 | Lopeppeppy | Would you like to join the ranks of those wearing zebra striped glasses? |
| 13:43.39 | Legorol | foxlit: sorry to nitpick, but i didn't mean to ask where he is, i meant how you find him :) |
| 13:44.29 | foxlit | You walk. |
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| 14:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf who spam pinged me |
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| 14:19.35 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: spam |
| 14:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ohh you are tempting fate right there buddy |
| 14:20.19 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev: ScytheBlade1 hi! |
| 14:20.19 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 14:20.25 | Shirik | bleh, my hostmask changed again |
| 14:20.30 | Shirik | oh well, it still pinged you |
| 14:20.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 14:20.31 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 14:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It is okay though |
| 14:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | No school today |
| 14:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Means I can take a nice, long shower |
| 14:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And then eat a pile of waffles |
| 14:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 14:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001168.html |
| 14:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001242.html |
| 14:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | in order, go |
| 14:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | afk shower, pile of waffles covered in blueberry syrup |
| 14:26.39 | krka | shower in a pile of waffles? sounds deliciously decadent |
| 14:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | shower COMMA |
| 14:28.13 | ckknight | lol, ScytheBlade1 |
| 14:31.19 | mikma | waffle shower |
| 14:33.45 | ckknight | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGu9yxdbFio |
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| 14:39.00 | nannix | hi all |
| 14:39.33 | nannix | somebody here, who can help me with a little oUF problem please? |
| 14:39.49 | Spellbinder | try |
| 14:40.20 | nannix | okay, this is my sourcecode |
| 14:40.21 | nannix | local auraIcon = function(self, button) |
| 14:40.22 | nannix | local count = button.count |
| 14:40.22 | nannix | count:ClearAllPoints() |
| 14:40.22 | nannix | count:SetPoint("BOTTOM") |
| 14:40.22 | nannix | |
| 14:40.23 | nannix | button.icon:SetTextCoord(.07, .93, .07, .93) |
| 14:40.25 | nannix | end |
| 14:40.56 | nannix | if a new unitframe is shown (like target) it crashes with this message: |
| 14:41.12 | nannix | attempt to call method 'SetTextCoord' (a nil value) |
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| 14:42.03 | mikma | SetTexCoord |
| 14:42.09 | mikma | not SetTextCoord |
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| 14:42.20 | nannix | argh, thank you ^^ |
| 14:42.52 | nannix | it worked, thank you very much ^^ |
| 14:42.57 | mikma | np |
| 14:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | bah how depressing |
| 14:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Those waffles were multi-grain whole-wheat freezer waffles :( |
| 14:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | Put on a lot of syrup!! |
| 14:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That can be arranged |
| 14:48.36 | Ose | muh |
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| 14:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/waffles.jpg |
| 14:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | Blueberry is not syrup! OMG, heathen. *sigh* |
| 14:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 14:59.51 | Lopeppeppy | Blueberry is *sauce*. Syrup is from maple trees! |
| 14:59.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey |
| 15:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The label reads "Syrup" |
| 15:00.36 | Lopeppeppy | Label am wrong! *poke* |
| 15:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:00.51 | Lopeppeppy | But it's your breakfast dear, eat it and be happy to start your day off perky blueberry wonder!! |
| 15:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That is more like it |
| 15:01.25 | alestane | I think if you boil blueberry juice down enough it becomes syrup. |
| 15:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 15:04.03 | Pneumatus | fruit + sugar = syrup |
| 15:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 15:04.44 | Pneumatus | infact, anything + sugar in a liquid form probably classes as a syrup |
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| 15:45.36 | nannix | how can i get a unit class? local _, class = UnitClass(unit) doesn't work for me |
| 15:45.48 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:46.03 | foxlit | describe "doesn't work" |
| 15:46.23 | Gnarfoz | that's how it's supposed to work, though, fwiw. |
| 15:46.29 | nannix | Usage: UnitClass("unit") |
| 15:46.34 | nannix | thats my eroor |
| 15:46.36 | nannix | error |
| 15:46.38 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 15:46.39 | Gnarfoz | "" |
| 15:46.48 | Gnarfoz | UnitClass("target") |
| 15:47.13 | nannix | but i want to give him a var |
| 15:47.18 | nannix | unit ^^ |
| 15:47.19 | Gnarfoz | or if asdf is actually a string variable, then UnitClass(asdf) |
| 15:47.45 | Gnarfoz | (funny how just by the "him" mistake I instantly knew your native language is german :D) |
| 15:48.06 | Gnarfoz | well, check if 'unit' actually contains what you think it should contain |
| 15:48.20 | Gnarfoz | how are you populating 'unit'? |
| 15:49.25 | nannix | argh, okay you've got me xD |
| 15:49.39 | nannix | nothing special just local func = function(self, unit) |
| 15:49.46 | nevcairiel | The error you describe means that your "unit" variable is empty |
| 15:49.54 | nevcairiel | or a number |
| 15:49.58 | nevcairiel | or something else |
| 15:50.00 | nevcairiel | just not a string |
| 15:50.12 | nannix | but this works if(unit == 'target') then |
| 15:50.19 | Lunessa | You know what everybody likes? Parfait. ... Parfait's are delicious. |
| 15:50.21 | nannix | same method |
| 15:51.21 | Gnarfoz | can you pastey your stuff? you seem to be doing something wrong :P |
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| 15:51.32 | Gnarfoz | (link is in the /topic, for example) |
| 15:52.36 | nannix | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/110134 |
| 15:53.00 | nannix | the last 2 lines are critical |
| 15:53.21 | nevcairiel | How is your "func" called? |
| 15:53.39 | Gnarfoz | indeed, actually the 'critical lines' aren't in that paste :> |
| 15:53.45 | nannix | oUF:RegisterStyle("xKara", func) |
| 15:53.54 | nevcairiel | i knew it |
| 15:53.56 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:53.57 | haste | nannix: the style function is only called once per frame |
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| 15:54.17 | nevcairiel | it also has a wrong signature |
| 15:54.25 | cog|away | Shirik: pong? |
| 15:54.31 | haste | nannix: the style function is also only called with a unit argument for single units |
| 15:54.47 | nevcairiel | it should be "(settings, self, unit)" |
| 15:54.52 | nevcairiel | also, listen to haste |
| 15:54.52 | Shirik | um, nm cog|work, but now I have a new question |
| 15:54.56 | haste | nannix: oUF doesn't know which unit it spawns when the frame is spawned through a header, so the unit argument is nil |
| 15:55.12 | Lunessa | http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/3/13/world-wide-web-20-years-old-today/ |
| 15:55.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why, just because he wrote it? pffft |
| 15:55.30 | Lopeppeppy | Happy birthday, intrawebs! |
| 15:55.43 | nannix | thank you all |
| 15:56.02 | haste | also what nevcairiel says is slightly incorrect |
| 15:56.09 | nevcairiel | it is? |
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| 15:56.12 | nevcairiel | it works for me |
| 15:56.13 | haste | when you register the style as you do - you don't have a settings table |
| 15:56.19 | nevcairiel | oh |
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| 15:56.22 | nevcairiel | oh well! |
| 15:56.27 | nevcairiel | i used that table cheat |
| 15:56.27 | haste | you only have that when you use a metatable for the style function |
| 15:56.57 | haste | it was the initial design so :) |
| 15:57.28 | Lunessa | This is why it's nice to document your code haste.:P |
| 15:57.30 | nevcairiel | its easier to have multiple frames with one func with the table |
| 15:58.13 | haste | Lunessa: I do document some :p |
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| 15:58.40 | Lunessa | haste, I know. I'm just yanking your chain. :P |
| 15:58.44 | Arrowmaster | haste: use luadoc and document it all! |
| 15:58.47 | mikma | shirik: yo, can you delete mods from wowi? |
| 15:58.56 | Shirik | I can if I have a good reason |
| 15:59.10 | mikma | shirik: delete my outdated mods? |
| 15:59.45 | Shirik | link them to me so I know I'm not deleting anything wrongly; there's no way to undo it |
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| 16:01.42 | mikma | shirik: can you also delete SVN projects? :) |
| 16:01.48 | haste | Arrowmaster: nah, that won't be so helpful for several parts |
| 16:01.53 | Shirik | that I can't |
| 16:02.01 | Shirik | well, I might be able to, but don't want to toy around with that |
| 16:02.12 | mikma | then who's the one to poke? |
| 16:02.20 | Shirik | Dolby or maybe jnwhiteh for that one |
| 16:04.28 | Dolby | me |
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| 16:09.33 | Lunessa | It's like he was reading the whole time! |
| 16:09.46 | mikma | amazing ain't it! |
| 16:10.17 | Lunessa | name alerts, IRC's most endearing tool. |
| 16:10.49 | mikma | don't go lunessa about it |
| 16:11.06 | Lunessa | ~whalenuke mikma |
| 16:11.06 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mikma with his mind powers. |
| 16:11.13 | mikma | attention! |
| 16:11.24 | Gnarfoz | o/ |
| 16:11.36 | Gnarfoz | wait, that's kind of not that modern |
| 16:11.39 | Gnarfoz | o> |
| 16:12.10 | Gnarfoz | (also was the wrong fucking arm, proof that I'm not the nazi I claim to be! :P) |
| 16:12.50 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: you can't be sure about that; we don't know if we were looking at you from ahead or behind |
| 16:13.21 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: right |
| 16:13.25 | Lunessa | ... I'm am NOT looking at his behind. |
| 16:13.25 | Gnarfoz | (pun intended :P) |
| 16:13.35 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: your loss |
| 16:14.57 | mikma | gnarfoz: http://inquisitr.com/extra/wp-content/2009/01/grammarnazi.jpg |
| 16:15.05 | mikma | that one is for wobwork too! |
| 16:15.29 | Gnarfoz | mikma: idea: yay, execution: boo |
| 16:15.30 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
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| 16:15.40 | mikma | gnarfoz: execution is perfect imho |
| 16:15.51 | Gnarfoz | fucking pixelated jpg? durrr |
| 16:16.45 | mikma | go ahead, find a better version of it :D was the first good 'grammar nazi' that caught my attention |
| 16:18.20 | Gnarfoz | I'll go one step further and re-do it in a lossless vector graphics format that uses wavelet compression and has 64bit color depth and in 8888x8888 resolution! |
| 16:18.56 | mikma | cool |
| 16:18.58 | Gnarfoz | or should that be 420x420? Again, I need to brush up on those nazi terms apparently. :p |
| 16:19.04 | Gnarfoz | (fucking scumbags. :P) |
| 16:19.12 | mikma | be sure to print it on the wall |
| 16:19.29 | Gnarfoz | funny how "their" party is going bankrupt... :D |
| 16:19.36 | Gnarfoz | mikma: rasterbator <3 |
| 16:19.46 | foxlit | <Master of Arms> <Mistress of Rams> |
| 16:19.50 | foxlit | Clever, Blizzard, clever. |
| 16:20.07 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
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| 16:22.23 | Jibbs | hi all my brain is getting stumped... |
| 16:22.49 | mikma | hi that's good to hear, we're good too |
| 16:22.55 | Jibbs | i am listening on OPEN_MASTER_LOOT_LIST... i want to add 2 options to DropDownList1 and i have no idea where to statr looking |
| 16:23.23 | mikma | i'd start with wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 16:23.49 | Jibbs | any specifics on the DropDownList tools? |
| 16:24.15 | mikma | DewDrop -library |
| 16:24.34 | Jibbs | i'm not using an ace library |
| 16:24.55 | mikma | well you asked, i replied. be happy :) |
| 16:25.24 | Jibbs | does the dewdrop library support manipulation of the blizzard UI dropdowns? |
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| 16:29.55 | Jibbs | or is there documentation on how it functions? |
| 16:30.17 | Legorol | mikma, that's a ridiculously arrogant reply |
| 16:30.24 | Legorol | Jibbs: have you tried searching the wowwiki? |
| 16:30.35 | Legorol | other than that, browsing Blizz UI code is your only choice i'm afraid |
| 16:30.46 | Jibbs | yeah i have i havent found anything regarding the dropdownlist specifically |
| 16:30.48 | Legorol | although The Book might have a chapter on dropdowns, not sure |
| 16:30.59 | Jibbs | The Book? |
| 16:31.00 | Legorol | ~wowprogramming |
| 16:31.01 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 16:33.16 | foxlit | Jibbs: it's a relatively uncomplicated FrameXML lua chunk |
| 16:34.15 | mikma | legorol: it's actually quite kind one coming from me. i pointed him the way |
| 16:34.19 | mikma | actually, two ways |
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| 16:34.25 | Jibbs | i wasnt sure if there was an easy way to add a button to the list without having to go in and manually modify the dropdownlist frame height |
| 16:34.36 | Jibbs | then check to see num of buttons, add them, etc |
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| 16:35.37 | Legorol | mikma: then i'm scared of what you are like when you are really a jerk :o) |
| 16:35.51 | Jibbs | hehe |
| 16:36.20 | mikma | legorol: heh, i've been trying to clean up my act, cairenn doesn't like when i go emo |
| 16:36.43 | Jibbs | do dropdowns get recreated whenever they are shown? |
| 16:36.53 | Jibbs | cause they all have a frame name of DropDownList1 |
| 16:37.02 | foxlit | The frame is just reused |
| 16:37.02 | Jibbs | ,2 etc depending on level |
| 16:37.04 | Legorol | Jibbs, I'd love to help, but I'm afraid I could only answer by looking in Blizz UI code myself |
| 16:37.13 | Jibbs | yeah tahts what i thought |
| 16:39.01 | Jibbs | ok well i feel like i've got enough information to either modify or replace the default master loot list |
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| 16:40.48 | Jibbs | does anyone have a link to the blizz UI code handy? |
| 16:42.06 | haste | ~framexml |
| 16:42.07 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 16:42.15 | Jibbs | thank you |
| 16:43.31 | Legorol | wow, i'm going to destroy the local Icy Dragonscale market |
| 16:43.46 | Legorol | the majority of them on the AH is currently being sold in stacks of 20 for 19g50s |
| 16:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | Is that good, or bad? |
| 16:43.50 | Legorol | but a stack of 20 vendors for 20g |
| 16:43.53 | Legorol | that's bad |
| 16:44.02 | Legorol | i'm going to empty the supply for my personal gain, and vendoring it all |
| 16:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:44.15 | Legorol | means players won't have access to it for crafting |
| 16:44.29 | Lopeppeppy | they can farm too |
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| 16:45.27 | Legorol | yeah but i feel evil |
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| 16:45.46 | Legorol | I get annoyed if I go to AH to buy some raw mat for crafting (which is how i prefer to get them, instead of farming) and there isn't any up |
| 16:45.56 | Legorol | I don't like farming and I make money on the AH anyway, so I avoid farming whenever poss |
| 16:46.12 | Legorol | even if i'm making a small loss on buying on AH instead of farming when i have specific needs |
| 16:46.16 | Legorol | time is money too |
| 16:48.18 | selckin | i haven't farmed a single day in my life :\ |
| 16:55.42 | Lunessa | Legorol: Take the money and run. :) 50s profit /stack does not suck. |
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| 16:58.09 | Legorol | Lunessa: 'tis what i did |
| 16:58.15 | Lunessa | Good man. |
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| 16:58.32 | Legorol | hm, i'll have to check my auctioneer settings at some point |
| 16:58.35 | Lunessa | I'll make a capitalist out of you yet. |
| 16:58.47 | Legorol | to see if there's a safety alert if i'm trying to put up something with a buyout below vendor price |
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| 17:01.10 | Tem|work | anyone around with some javascript power? |
| 17:02.19 | Syzgyn | A little Tem, whats up? |
| 17:02.34 | Cide | Tem|work: sure |
| 17:02.47 | Cide | been working on an ajax application lately so it's pretty fresh |
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| 17:06.54 | Tem|work | Cide: I've got a big list of names |
| 17:06.58 | Tem|work | and I'm filtering them |
| 17:07.03 | Tem|work | but it takes a really long time |
| 17:07.19 | Cide | can you paste the code? |
| 17:07.24 | Tem|work | I had wanted to filter on each keypress |
| 17:07.29 | Tem|work | but it's way too slow that way |
| 17:07.47 | Cide | how long is the list btw? |
| 17:07.57 | Tem|work | 2600ish names |
| 17:08.13 | Cide | something akin to google suggest? |
| 17:08.20 | Xinhuan | you do a progressive filter |
| 17:08.34 | Tem|work | Cide: kind of |
| 17:08.47 | Tem|work | right now I don't do a progressive filter |
| 17:08.56 | Xinhuan | why |
| 17:09.09 | Tem|work | because I wrote it 10 minutes ago and the meeting is in an hour |
| 17:09.25 | Tem|work | also, that wouldn't solve the initial filter taking forever |
| 17:09.33 | foxlit | and you've had how long? :) |
| 17:09.41 | Tem|work | my boss told me this morning |
| 17:09.46 | Xinhuan | well, don't do any searches until user has stopped typing at least say 0.5 secs |
| 17:09.59 | Tem|work | Xinhuan: my java script isn't that advanced |
| 17:10.03 | Tem|work | but that's a good suggestion |
| 17:10.04 | Xinhuan | i have a progressive filter in one of my addons hehe |
| 17:10.13 | Cide | what's your data structure like? |
| 17:10.18 | Xinhuan | it filters all 40k items |
| 17:10.18 | Cide | [name1, name2, ..., nameN]? |
| 17:10.21 | Tem|work | data structure? lawl |
| 17:10.22 | Xinhuan | in the local cache |
| 17:10.33 | Cide | do realize lua is orders of magnitude faster than js on some browsers :P |
| 17:10.46 | Xinhuan | well true |
| 17:11.02 | Cide | you could speed up the initial letter by just indexing them by the initial letter |
| 17:11.02 | Tem|work | yeah, I'm testing in IE6 |
| 17:11.08 | Tem|work | because I assume that to be the worst |
| 17:11.26 | Tem|work | Cide: I hadn't thought of indexing. another great idea |
| 17:11.35 | Tem|work | cofee + stress = bad thinking |
| 17:11.47 | Cide | {'a': ["axxx", "axxx2"], 'b': ... } etc |
| 17:11.50 | Xinhuan | index the initial letter, then as the user types the next letter, check if the old string is a substring of the new string, if it is, use the already filtered list to refilter |
| 17:12.18 | Cide | or for really fast searching in tradeoff for memory |
| 17:12.46 | Cide | {'a': {'b': {...}, 'c': {'d': { ... } } } } |
| 17:13.03 | Cide | but ie might choke on that :P |
| 17:13.10 | Xinhuan | if the old string isn't a substring of the new string on a new letter pressed, then you have to refilter from te beginning |
| 17:13.23 | Xinhuan | i generally use a 0.5s timer for that |
| 17:13.25 | Cide | how so? |
| 17:13.41 | Cide | the old string is always a substring of the new string unless backspace or delete or similar was used |
| 17:13.42 | Tem|work | how can I do that type of timing thing in javascript? |
| 17:13.46 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or does that look similar to a mac syle dock? http://www.rlslog.net/microsoft-windows-7-build-7057-x86-dvd-ind/ |
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| 17:13.47 | Xinhuan | if the user has "abc" and types d to end up with "abcd" |
| 17:13.53 | Xinhuan | you can just filter the existing list |
| 17:14.02 | Syzgyn | Cide: Not necessarily, they could select the text and type |
| 17:14.05 | Xinhuan | if a user has "abc" and types d to get "abdc" |
| 17:14.11 | Xinhuan | then you have to filter from the start |
| 17:14.37 | Cide | Syzgyn: hence "or similar" |
| 17:14.45 | Cide | Xinhuan: ah, true |
| 17:15.21 | Xinhuan | hence checking if the old string is a substring of the newer one is necessary |
| 17:15.45 | Xinhuan | not sure about timing stuff in javascript heh |
| 17:15.46 | Syzgyn | Xinhuan: What addon did you do that for? I wanna check out the code |
| 17:15.55 | Xinhuan | wowequip |
| 17:15.59 | Xinhuan | its not working atm |
| 17:16.04 | Xinhuan | broke horribly with 3.0 |
| 17:16.09 | Tem|work | looks like I can play games with setTimeout |
| 17:16.25 | Xinhuan | but you can check out my 40% done rewrite |
| 17:16.44 | Syzgyn | I tried doing something similar with Urban Achiever, but always had massive slowdown for the initial 2 or 3 letters |
| 17:16.56 | Xinhuan | yeah its expected |
| 17:17.15 | Xinhuan | unless you index your search by the first letter, you can't avoid the first letter slowdown |
| 17:17.21 | Xinhuan | UNLESS you filter by other things first |
| 17:17.30 | Syzgyn | Yeah, and then you get a nice memory footprint in game |
| 17:17.46 | Xinhuan | that is, put the filter that most chanceof filtering out stuff first in the chain |
| 17:18.08 | Syzgyn | There was only 1 filter that I was using |
| 17:18.38 | Xinhuan | my code isn't publicly visible atm, unless u want to checkout with git:// |
| 17:19.15 | Syzgyn | It's ok |
| 17:19.35 | Syzgyn | I'll just stick with having to hit enter to search |
| 17:20.45 | Xinhuan | essentially i just described the method i used |
| 17:21.19 | NeoTron | This amuses me - http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/15671119768-i-finally-got-the-1000g-for-dual-specs.html |
| 17:21.36 | NeoTron | 11 days. oh noes. |
| 17:21.53 | ronghail | I added some stuff to tekJunkSeller that multiboxers might want (I did anyway). can I provide it to other boxers or will this piss off someone? |
| 17:23.29 | Gnarfoz | check tekkub's license, see if it allows forking/reuse of his code and release under a different name? |
| 17:24.33 | ronghail | k |
| 17:25.02 | ronghail | oh yeah right there on his site |
| 17:25.20 | Thunder_Child | warcrafter's broken isnt it? |
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| 17:31.07 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, even more amusing look at the level oc his characters...he has enough time for them..... |
| 17:31.12 | Thunder_Child | s/oc/of/ |
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| 17:36.46 | Lunessa | I've been slacking. Only 1 of my toons is at 80. I really should get the rest to 80. |
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| 17:39.44 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: but even so, 10-11 days isn't exactly a long time (for a feature many people really don't need) |
| 17:42.11 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, 6 out of 10 will "need" it |
| 17:42.17 | Lopeppeppy | Telephone web support sucks it. That is all. |
| 17:42.54 | Tekkub | web sites should never even consider phone support |
| 17:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | I am the phone support for my web editors. *bounces head off desk* For the whole freakin' college!! |
| 17:43.13 | Tekkub | if all your other business is done online, support should also |
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| 17:52.53 | Lunessa | Online support for your ISP is a joke. If you have no service, how do you reach support? It should be an option, but not the only option. |
| 17:53.55 | nevcairiel | How do you reach your phone company when phones are out? |
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| 17:54.11 | nevcairiel | You use another phone =) |
| 17:54.30 | Lopeppeppy | You march to the office physically, same thing my sheeple do to me. |
| 17:54.41 | Lunessa | If I'm at home with no internet access, I'm not going to go to work to use the network. I'm going to call them on the phone. |
| 17:55.02 | Tem|Work | Cide: Xinhuan: indexing by the first letter doesn't help me |
| 17:55.24 | Tem|Work | the slowdown isn't that it has to check each element |
| 17:55.28 | Cide | can you post your code? |
| 17:55.29 | Xinhuan | why not |
| 17:55.37 | Tem|Work | the slowdown is editing the html to hide the filtered elements |
| 17:55.47 | Tem|Work | $(this).hide() |
| 17:55.52 | Tem|Work | using jquery |
| 17:55.55 | Cide | use |
| 17:55.55 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 17:55.59 | Cide | $(this).css('display', 'none') |
| 17:56.08 | Cide | or $(this).css('visibility', 'hidden') |
| 17:56.09 | Tem|Work | that's what .hide does |
| 17:56.15 | Cide | I think hide does some animation? |
| 17:56.19 | Cide | maybe I'm wrong |
| 17:56.23 | Tem|Work | not that I know of |
| 17:56.30 | Xinhuan | well doesn't hurt to try his suggestion |
| 17:56.33 | Xinhuan | and see if its faster |
| 17:56.35 | Tem|Work | true |
| 17:57.02 | Cide | Same as hide( speed, [callback] ) without animations |
| 17:57.14 | Cide | should be equivalent, I was thinking of hide(speed) |
| 17:57.24 | Tem|Work | if it's any faster, I can't tell |
| 17:57.29 | batrick | anybody want a 10% off harddrives coupon for newegg? |
| 17:58.10 | Tem|Work | really what I need is to delay filtering until the user stops typing |
| 17:58.39 | Tem|Work | but the hack I have now will do for the meeting |
| 17:58.52 | Cide | it's not hard |
| 17:58.53 | Tem|Work | only filter on enter |
| 17:58.56 | foxlit | "In LUA, a function is simply a variable. From the LUA documentation" |
| 17:59.03 | Tem|Work | double enter does what enter did before |
| 17:59.07 | Cide | every keypress, increment a global variable |
| 17:59.11 | krka | foxlit: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? ^_^ |
| 17:59.31 | Tem|Work | Cide: I don't see where you're going? |
| 17:59.33 | Cide | er |
| 17:59.34 | foxlit | And here was I almost hopeful krka would notice the quotes. |
| 17:59.36 | Tem|Work | it could be the coffee thinking |
| 17:59.41 | Cide | me neither |
| 18:00.02 | Cide | well |
| 18:00.12 | Tem|Work | I'm going to try playing with setTimeout after the meeting |
| 18:00.19 | Tem|Work | but for now I need to publish this so it's live |
| 18:00.32 | Tem|Work | well, "live" |
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| 18:01.42 | Tem|Work | oh fuck me |
| 18:01.50 | Cide | Tem|Work: http://pastey.net/110138 |
| 18:01.56 | Tem|Work | $(this).hide() doesn't work on <option> elements in IE |
| 18:02.27 | Cide | try .css('visibility', 'hidden') then |
| 18:02.31 | Tem|Work | yeah |
| 18:03.22 | Tem|Work | they get the tag |
| 18:03.25 | Tem|Work | but IE doesn't hide them |
| 18:03.42 | Cide | http://www.texotela.co.uk/code/jquery/select/ |
| 18:03.43 | zenzelezz | I don't think IE does any "style"ing to them |
| 18:03.45 | Cide | can use that |
| 18:03.51 | Cide | and use removeOption() |
| 18:03.59 | zenzelezz | I tried coloring or setting the padding on <option> tags, worked in Firefox but not in IE |
| 18:04.27 | Cide | but then you don't hide it, you remove it |
| 18:04.39 | Cide | for which .remove() probably works in the first place |
| 18:05.40 | Cide | according to http://codylindley.com/Webdev/315/ie-hiding-option-elements-with-css-and-dealing-with-innerhtml |
| 18:05.53 | Cide | doesn't appear possible to show/hide <option> elements in ie |
| 18:05.57 | Cide | you need to add/remove them |
| 18:07.35 | Tem|Work | oh for christ's sake |
| 18:07.39 | Tem|Work | someone suggested a workaround |
| 18:07.44 | Tem|Work | set the height to 0 |
| 18:07.45 | zenzelezz | IEs quirks really are annoying. I wonder how IE8 actually will turn out; and how long we'll have to deal with IE7 |
| 18:08.59 | Tem|Work | bah that doesn't work either |
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| 18:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | IE8 is equally as annoying to program for its quirks. *sigh* |
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| 18:10.23 | foxlit | hooksecurefunc or hooksecurefunction? |
| 18:10.31 | foxlit | !api hooksecurefunc |
| 18:10.32 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'hooksecurefunc' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/hooksecurefunc |
| 18:10.36 | krka | foxlit: where is that quote from? |
| 18:10.39 | foxlit | !api hooksecurefunction |
| 18:10.39 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'hooksecurefunction'. |
| 18:11.09 | foxlit | krka: [[Hooking functions]]. It won't survive for much longer. |
| 18:11.17 | alestane | Why can't people *propose* new standards, rather than simply *implementing* them? |
| 18:11.34 | krka | i am sad that people confuse variables and values still |
| 18:11.44 | zenzelezz | alestane: because then we get the OOXML debacle |
| 18:12.06 | krka | and even reference the lua documentation, which says no such thing |
| 18:12.14 | Cide | Tem|Work: do you maintain it in order? |
| 18:12.25 | Cide | is the select list sorted? |
| 18:12.27 | haste | Lopeppeppy: then report the issues |
| 18:12.35 | zenzelezz | <Lopeppeppy> IE8 is equally as annoying to program for its quirks. *sigh* <-- I choose not to judge it until it's released. Maybe they've forgotten to #undef INCLUDE_QUIRKS |
| 18:12.42 | Tem|Work | Cide: yeah its sorted |
| 18:12.47 | Tem|Work | so removing stuff gets very messy |
| 18:12.50 | Tem|Work | (for adding it back) |
| 18:13.05 | foxlit | the posthook functions applied by hooksecurefunc don't get the original function's return values? |
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| 18:13.45 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:14.03 | foxlit | Language issue? |
| 18:14.05 | Cide | good luck :P |
| 18:14.09 | Xinhuan | perhaps using javascript to write a new document page with the results would be way faster tem ;p |
| 18:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz! *laugh* |
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| 18:16.43 | Esamynn | Shirik: pong |
| 18:16.51 | Shirik | nm :P |
| 18:17.02 | Esamynn | well fine then! :P |
| 18:17.46 | Shirik | you're too slow! |
| 18:18.07 | Thunder_Child | then why did you ask him in the first place! |
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| 18:21.03 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27985 |
| 18:21.39 | Cide | lua> 490-180 |
| 18:21.40 | lua_bot | Cide: 310 |
| 18:21.45 | Cide | yes, I couldn't do that in my head |
| 18:22.00 | Cide | s/yes/no/ |
| 18:22.32 | Esamynn | Cide: fail |
| 18:22.35 | Kirov | lua > 5-4 |
| 18:22.36 | Esamynn | ~fail Cide |
| 18:22.37 | purl | Cide, you Fail! |
| 18:22.54 | lua-bot | Kirov: really? |
| 18:22.54 | Cide | lua> assert 3^3 == 9 |
| 18:22.54 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: '=' expected near '3' |
| 18:22.56 | Esamynn | ~fail Kirov |
| 18:22.57 | purl | Kirov: FAIL! |
| 18:23.01 | Cide | lua> assert 3^3 == 9) |
| 18:23.01 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: '=' expected near '3' |
| 18:23.04 | Cide | stupid enter key |
| 18:23.06 | Cide | I give up |
| 18:23.11 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:28.36 | foxlit | assertion failed. |
| 18:28.41 | foxlit | next! |
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| 18:33.34 | AbsolutRayne | yawn |
| 18:33.44 | foxlit | Include irrelevant code in tutorials: a good idea, or the best idea? |
| 18:34.42 | Cide | best. fo sho. |
| 18:34.55 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: awesome idea. |
| 18:35.06 | foxlit | I need a Rare item that's reasonably likely to be in the client's cache |
| 18:35.17 | foxlit | Or, heck, I could just hardcode a link |
| 18:35.59 | Cide | The Ashbringer.... |
| 18:36.14 | foxlit | wrong quality, though ++ play on words. |
| 18:36.31 | Cide | The Cachebringer would've been funnier |
| 18:36.37 | zenzelezz | Wilt's Third Leg or whatever |
| 18:36.40 | Kirov | foxlit - For one of my addons I always assume a hearthstone link exists (usually be forcing a load of it via a tooltip first) |
| 18:37.10 | Cide | no u. |
| 18:37.25 | foxlit | print("Click me: \124cff1eff00\124Hitem:8191:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h[Tinfoil Hat]\124h\124r"); << there we go |
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| 18:43.14 | *** join/#wowuidev leethal (n=leethal@s0034-0015.dsl.start.no) |
| 18:44.06 | leethal | uh, kinda off topic. I got WoW on my PC. Wanna drag 'n drop it over to my mac. All I need is WoW.app, right? Or do i need something else? And is that file/are those files available somewhere for download? |
| 18:44.16 | leethal | really cba to install from discs or download the whole thing, it'd take ages |
| 18:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | alestane has done this before. |
| 18:45.13 | Lopeppeppy | I believe that you can just copy the folders and put them into the appropriate place on your Mac, honestly. |
| 18:45.13 | Tekkub | uh, you need to install the mac version I believe |
| 18:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 18:45.29 | leethal | all the files 'xcept the executables are identical anyways |
| 18:45.29 | Tekkub | then just drop the WTF/Interface folders over into the .app |
| 18:45.33 | leethal | or at least the bulk of the files |
| 18:45.51 | Tekkub | are the data files the same? that's the big part |
| 18:45.53 | leethal | where bulk is measured in file size ; ) |
| 18:46.00 | leethal | yeah they're the same mpq's |
| 18:46.08 | Tekkub | that's handy |
| 18:46.12 | Tekkub | go go blizzy! |
| 18:46.20 | leethal | =D |
| 18:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | You'd still need to go through MOST of the install/patch routine to make you have the updated .app |
| 18:47.00 | leethal | hmm |
| 18:47.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Barring someone zipping it up and sending it to you, I dont know another way to get that. And that seems like a sure way to break a wow install |
| 18:47.17 | alestane | You'll need World of Warcraft.app, and ideally World of Warcraft Launcher.app and the .appas for the Background Downloader and the Blizzard Updater. The data files are compatible. The AddOn and SavedVars files are the same. But you do need copies of the Mac applications, so if you don't have a Mac install to copy from (I have a very Multiplatform household), you're probably better off doing a fresh install. |
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| 18:47.52 | selckin | just copy data files from pc, get an updated repair'er and make it download the rest |
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| 18:48.24 | NightHawkTheSane | is there even a (updated) repair app for osx? |
| 18:48.42 | leethal | I thought the mac version didn't have the repair tool |
| 18:49.04 | alestane | There is NO repair tool for Mac OS. |
| 18:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | I didn't think so, but I've never needed it so i have no idea |
| 18:49.07 | foxlit | Hm, what could you want to (insecurely) post-hook? |
| 18:49.17 | alestane | Have to go now, good luck! |
| 18:49.17 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: your mom. |
| 18:50.05 | foxlit | Meh, that doesn't work. |
| 18:50.48 | Lunessa | You can also download the mac version for the accounts page. |
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| 18:51.07 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: doesn't that include the MPQs and stuff? |
| 18:51.09 | foxlit | Hm, the Pickup* functions just require a hardware event, right? |
| 18:51.34 | Lunessa | Yes, but if you grab the trial version, it's small - a bootstrapper. |
| 18:51.43 | zenzelezz | hm, interesting |
| 18:52.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: does that actually have the latest version of the app/launcher, though? i mean, old versions with new mpqs wouldn't really help, i dont think. |
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| 18:53.15 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: it'd probably include the updaters; at least I'd imagine so |
| 18:53.22 | Lunessa | What I did was grab the client that way, and drag all my PC data over. /shrug |
| 18:53.31 | zenzelezz | it's supposed to be a jump-start into the game after all |
| 18:53.39 | zenzelezz | don't think they'd want to make you have to reinstall it |
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| 18:53.56 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
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| 18:57.49 | zenzelezz | damnit, Steven Seagal movie on TV tonight |
| 18:57.56 | zenzelezz | they're so bad you just have to watch them |
| 18:58.29 | Lunessa | Only the ones with hot girls in them. |
| 18:58.36 | Lunessa | Like Under Seige |
| 18:58.40 | zenzelezz | no, they're all bad |
| 18:58.53 | Lunessa | I'm only compelled to watch the hot girls. |
| 18:59.13 | zenzelezz | Steven Seagal always reminds me of a quote from "Àllo àllo"... "Ah yes, the man with a thousand faces that are all equal" |
| 18:59.41 | Tem|meeting | yays |
| 18:59.45 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: Steven Seagal movies are like lowbies taking on Hogger. You can't help but watch them fail |
| 18:59.52 | Tem|meeting | great success |
| 19:00.06 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Indeedy |
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| 19:25.53 | Lunessa | This article does strange things to my emotions: http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/03/has-googles-tim.html |
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| 19:30.48 | foxlit | Stubby: rings a bell? |
| 19:30.57 | foxlit | s/:/--/ |
| 19:31.16 | Lunessa | foxlit: stubby was used by Acutioneer. |
| 19:31.21 | foxlit | "was"? |
| 19:31.33 | Lunessa | I don't know. I don't use Auctioneer anymore. |
| 19:33.24 | Lunessa | Turns out, I'm not the kind of guy who works the Auction House that hard, so it wasn't really for me. |
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| 19:40.26 | Dagmar | I have a mekgineer's chopper now but I'm still going to keep using Auctioneer |
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| 19:40.46 | Dagmar | ...just because of all the @#$@# who keep putting stuff into the AH one @#$@# piece at a @#$!@ time |
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| 19:59.49 | Cairenn | some point when you have 8 mins to spare, this is REALLY well done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgW3ogaV84 |
| 20:00.29 | mikma | also, if you have any idea do i need to add more reagents in this list, let me know! http://mikma.pastey.net/110150 |
| 20:11.24 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hooking_functions << Needs a fact-check. |
| 20:15.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: yeah, i've seen that. it's really amazing. :) |
| 20:15.20 | Cairenn | nod |
| 20:16.03 | Cairenn | will be watching for more from him |
| 20:19.53 | Dagmar | ckknight is dead on about PitBull4 being easier to configure' |
| 20:20.06 | ckknight | it's still not where I wantit to be |
| 20:20.24 | ckknight | I need to make it more usable |
| 20:20.31 | NightHawkTheSane | not to be rude, but compared to pitbull3, jabbing a jagged piece of glass into your face would be less painful. ;) |
| 20:21.41 | Dagmar | About the main thing I can see that would help there would be some templates shipping with it |
| 20:22.32 | Dagmar | It's definitely faster to configure than 3 once you've built a few layouts on your own |
| 20:22.41 | foxlit | lua> function f(c, ...) if c == 0 then return; else return f(c-1, ..); end t, s = {}, "whee!"; collectgarbage("stop") local g = collectgarbage("count"); f(100000, t, t, c); print(g-collectgarbage("count"); |
| 20:22.41 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '..' |
| 20:22.52 | foxlit | lua> function f(c, ...) if c == 0 then return; else return f(c-1, ...); end t, s = {}, "whee!"; collectgarbage("stop") local g = collectgarbage("count"); f(100000, t, t, c); print(g-collectgarbage("count"); |
| 20:22.52 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: ')' expected near ';' |
| 20:23.39 | foxlit | function f(c, ...) if c == 0 then return; end return f(c-1, ...); end t, s = {}, "whee!"; collectgarbage("stop") local g = collectgarbage("count"); f(100000, t, t, c); print(g-collectgarbage("count")); |
| 20:23.48 | foxlit | oh come on. |
| 20:23.49 | foxlit | lua> function f(c, ...) if c == 0 then return; end return f(c-1, ...); end t, s = {}, "whee!"; collectgarbage("stop") local g = collectgarbage("count"); f(100000, t, t, c); print(g-collectgarbage("count")); |
| 20:23.49 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0 |
| 20:24.02 | foxlit | Conclusion: ... is free, memory wise? |
| 20:24.47 | kd3 | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?quest=13850 |
| 20:24.49 | kd3 | !!! |
| 20:25.17 | nannix | one simple question, how can i set a name on a uf, something like self.Name:SetText(name) |
| 20:25.17 | nannix | ? |
| 20:26.19 | nannix | with oUF xD |
| 20:26.30 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.48 | foxlit | Meh, it'd be awesome |
| 20:27.03 | nannix | the value of the var name is correct and the method called correctly |
| 20:27.13 | Dagmar | Not unless they make it so the poison lands *all* the time |
| 20:27.14 | foxlit | Though, for symmetry reasons, I suggest we replace wintersaber rep with "get hit 2000 times by wintersabers" |
| 20:27.28 | Dagmar | ...or if it only accounts the number of times they *tried* to poison you |
| 20:28.32 | Dagmar | Most of the stuff in Un'goro can barely touch me. |
| 20:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | ta, I'm off for home! |
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| 20:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: not if you do it naked! |
| 20:28.57 | Dagmar | Even then, I'm level 80 |
| 20:29.02 | Dagmar | I do a lot of stuff naked |
| 20:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | what you do in your free time is not something i'm terribly interested in. >.> |
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| 20:29.34 | Dagmar | ...or at least, almost naked. I've got the sombrero and mexican chest and pants which get auto-worn when I mount |
| 20:30.38 | Dagmar | All I need now is a weapon that looks like a guitar case |
| 20:36.16 | Thunder_Child | mace |
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| 20:38.02 | zenzelezz | <Dagmar> I do a lot of stuff naked <-- don't we all |
| 20:43.14 | mikma | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509036,00.html |
| 20:43.41 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, no |
| 20:43.56 | cog|work | in case anyone wasn't around last time i mentioned it, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21062 |
| 20:44.03 | Shirik | mikma... |
| 20:44.07 | Shirik | was that you? |
| 20:44.22 | mikma | yes, i live in maryland usa and i'm a complete moron |
| 20:44.24 | krka | no, some of us are never-nudes |
| 20:45.43 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, is there a rtfm for that game? |
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| 20:45.58 | Tem|Work | Cide, in the end, we just scrapped the whole filter thing |
| 20:46.00 | Thunder_Child | other htna that remote.cogwhell thing |
| 20:46.01 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: rtfp |
| 20:46.08 | Tem|Work | and went with a very simple "enter numbers here and press enter" |
| 20:46.18 | Cide | Tem|Work: hehe |
| 20:46.27 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: ingame help, those docs, and classictw.com |
| 20:46.30 | Dagmar | mikma: People shouldn't emulate the things they see on the internets |
| 20:46.33 | Tem|Work | I convinced my boss that his idea was terribad and this could be easier |
| 20:46.44 | Tem|Work | but somehow made it his idea |
| 20:47.00 | mikma | dagmar: o'rly? :D |
| 20:47.01 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: or do you mean being able to connect in the first place? |
| 20:47.03 | Tem|Work | which was like the most masterful bit of manipulation I've ever accomplished |
| 20:47.07 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, bingo |
| 20:47.18 | cog|work | telnet client with ansi support. e.g. windows telnet.exe |
| 20:47.25 | cog|work | telnet remote.cogwheel.info 2002 |
| 20:47.46 | cog|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21062#5 |
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| 20:48.09 | cog|work | i prefer PuTTY, though, and the op on that thread has a link to my settings |
| 20:48.16 | Thunder_Child | i have putty |
| 20:48.18 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
| 20:48.55 | Legorol | PuTTY ftw! |
| 20:49.02 | Hirsute | Sometimes, I really feel bad for the "reset" macro condition. |
| 20:49.03 | Hirsute | People constantly try to abuse it in horrible ways. |
| 20:49.08 | Legorol | its most useful feature: easy setup of SSH port forwards |
| 20:49.15 | Hirsute | ^^^^ |
| 20:49.40 | cog|work | Legorol: agreed. there's only two features of other clients that I'd like it to have: an option for dos-style clear screen (which returns the cursor to the top-left) and de-dithering of asci block art |
| 20:49.53 | cog|work | sacii* |
| 20:49.56 | cog|work | ascii** |
| 20:50.01 | Dagmar | Legorol: I would say that it completely obsoletes HyperTerminal is a bigger one |
| 20:50.08 | Legorol | hehe |
| 20:50.35 | Legorol | I have used PuTTY to successfully forward a WoW connection via SSH when my local computer couldn't do anything except SSH into a different machine :o) |
| 20:50.47 | Legorol | that was fun |
| 20:50.48 | cog|work | heh |
| 20:51.22 | Legorol | i had to port forward to the entire pool of auth servers for it to work ^^ |
| 20:51.24 | Arrowmaster | what did you have to do to get wow to use a proxy? |
| 20:51.53 | Legorol | i looped back all requests to the auth and realm servers to the local host, via the hosts file |
| 20:52.02 | Legorol | then i portforwarded all the ports that WoW was connecting to |
| 20:52.26 | Legorol | this isn't exactly using a proxy, but using an SSH tunnel |
| 20:52.48 | Dagmar | ...you're leaving out that you had to set up even *more* forwarding on the remote end |
| 20:52.58 | Arrowmaster | not true |
| 20:52.59 | Legorol | i'm leaving that out because i didn't have to :P |
| 20:53.09 | Legorol | maybe you don't know how SSH port forwarding works then |
| 20:53.28 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure I do since I'm using PuTTY to tunnel an RDP session right now |
| 20:53.30 | Arrowmaster | i just got back from class where i was using an SSH proxy to get on irc and access my home lan |
| 20:53.42 | Legorol | ok, the down low: |
| 20:53.44 | Arrowmaster | then you dont have it setup properly |
| 20:54.05 | Dagmar | Get a CISSP certification and then come back and tell me I don't have it set up properly. |
| 20:54.28 | durcyn | because CISSP has so much to do with ssh tunnels |
| 20:54.36 | Dagmar | RDP isn't allowed through the firewalls to the section of the network I'm working with |
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| 20:54.37 | Arrowmaster | pay for the test and i will |
| 20:54.53 | Legorol | I think this is how I did it exactly: I had a virtual loopback adapter installed, I configured it to have the IP addresses that WoW would *try* to connect to. |
| 20:54.56 | Cide | the best part with having Dagmar in the channel |
| 20:55.10 | Cide | if you want arrogance, you can get it totally on-demand |
| 20:55.21 | Legorol | that looped back all the connections to the local host |
| 20:55.43 | Gnarfoz | Cide: idd |
| 20:55.50 | durcyn | why wouldn't you just fudge the DNS |
| 20:55.57 | Legorol | i then SSH forwarded like this: local-port (to which WoW would connect to when auth-ing) => remote server: the real auth server, remote port: the real port |
| 20:56.10 | Gnarfoz | also, his nickname = my mom's first name. awesome :D |
| 20:56.17 | Legorol | durcyn, WoW client uses IPs directly to connect, after the initial connection to the auth server |
| 20:56.28 | Legorol | the auth server passes back the IP of the realm server |
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| 20:56.36 | durcyn | ah. |
| 20:56.56 | Legorol | the full process is: |
| 20:57.08 | Legorol | DNS lookup of auth server name -> round robin IP obtained from a pool |
| 20:57.15 | Arrowmaster | all i have to do is tell the program that i have a socks proxy running on localhost:8080 and that it needs to use it, then all traffic is routed through the ssh tunnel using only a single forwarded port |
| 20:57.20 | Legorol | connect to this IP, request realm server IP -> connect to realm IP |
| 20:57.27 | Arrowmaster | and nothing special running on the remote end |
| 20:57.49 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: that works very nice for anything that is socks aware |
| 20:57.53 | Legorol | WoW isn't unfortunately :( |
| 20:58.52 | Arrowmaster | whats that service the aussies use |
| 20:59.03 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: you can make anything socks aware. |
| 20:59.04 | Dagmar | Cide: If it weren't the truth, it would be arrogance. Legorol left out a detail, I pointed it out |
| 20:59.05 | Legorol | maybe we could get Blizz to add socks support to WoW ^^ |
| 20:59.21 | Dagmar | There's probably a socksifier for Windows |
| 20:59.24 | Gnarfoz | FreeCap or SocksCap will do it for wow :> |
| 20:59.25 | Legorol | Dagmar: it doesn't change the fact that I didn't have to set anything up on the remote end |
| 20:59.27 | Dagmar | ...although it might make Warden angry |
| 20:59.32 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: doesn't. |
| 20:59.36 | Cide | Dagmar: arrogance has nothing to do with truth |
| 21:00.03 | Dagmar | Cide: So it's reasonable to accuse someone who builds networks of not knowing how to set up port-forwarding? |
| 21:00.04 | Cide | I was referring to "<Dagmar> Get a CISSP certification and then come back and tell me I don't have it set up properly." |
| 21:00.05 | Legorol | anyway, i'm done with this story, it was a fun story to start with about putty + wow, and turned into a flamewar :) |
| 21:00.10 | Legorol | let's all cuddle and go home |
| 21:00.23 | cog|work | let's all cuddle and play TW! |
| 21:00.26 | cog|work | <.< |
| 21:00.28 | cog|work | >.> |
| 21:00.29 | Legorol | gief manual! |
| 21:00.35 | Legorol | (yes i know i could google) |
| 21:00.44 | cog|work | Legorol: or read the post i posted :P |
| 21:00.49 | Cide | Dagmar: that would probably not be reasonable, but it doesn't mean you weren't arrogant |
| 21:00.50 | Thunder_Child | and linked |
| 21:00.52 | Legorol | post? what post? |
| 21:00.59 | cog|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21062 |
| 21:01.05 | Legorol | oh, you made a post |
| 21:01.05 | Cide | Dagmar: I don't doubt your knowledge, but I'm sure Legorol wasn't aware of it |
| 21:01.10 | Gnarfoz | Cide: the line you quoted though, was pure arrogance :p |
| 21:01.35 | Gnarfoz | also obviously he didn't have to set anything up on the remote end, like he said he didn't, which makes Dagmar wrong anyway. |
| 21:01.36 | Dagmar | Cide: Then perhaps you're barking up the wrong tree |
| 21:01.37 | Arrowmaster | but seriously ive been bypassing school firewalls and proxies for years, i know a hell of a lot about tunneling |
| 21:01.44 | Arrowmaster | i dont need a CISSP for that |
| 21:01.49 | Cide | Dagmar: nah, I'm just saying you were arrogant |
| 21:01.55 | cog|work | Legorol: how do you think the whole putty convo started? :P |
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| 21:02.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Hell most school networks all you need is simple literacy to bypass their stuff. |
| 21:02.16 | Legorol | cog|work: well i know it was TW related.. but didn't know there's a post :) |
| 21:02.17 | Dagmar | ...which if you've got it, you're ahead of most of your mates. |
| 21:02.17 | Gnarfoz | riiight |
| 21:02.45 | Gnarfoz | generalizations are commonly stupid :p |
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| 21:03.19 | Cide | Legorol: as an irc expert, I shall point you to the page-up button; most irc clients support it in a windows environment (which you use iirc) according to my most recent study |
| 21:03.33 | Gnarfoz | Cide: got a certificate for that? |
| 21:03.40 | Cide | *a*? please. |
| 21:03.55 | Gnarfoz | I forgot who I'm dealing with |
| 21:03.59 | Gnarfoz | touché :p |
| 21:04.04 | Cide | jokes aside |
| 21:04.09 | Cide | I gotta get back to coding |
| 21:04.26 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 21:04.35 | Cide | yeah, in reality I'm not really a coder :/ |
| 21:04.37 | Cide | ts does all the coding |
| 21:04.47 | Gnarfoz | I heard you were the designer :o |
| 21:04.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide just makes the snarky remarks. |
| 21:05.07 | Thunder_Child | hardly NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:05.48 | Legorol | cog|work: i'm probably an utter noob and will be blushing in a moment, but i don't see a link or reference to a manual in your post |
| 21:05.50 | Cide | it's how I roll. |
| 21:05.59 | cog|work | "Gameplay instructions" |
| 21:06.03 | Thunder_Child | http://remote.cogwheel.info/twdocs/ |
| 21:06.08 | Thunder_Child | 2nd line |
| 21:06.12 | Cide | s/it's how I roll./you suck, NightHawkTheSane./ |
| 21:06.23 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:06.24 | Legorol | lol, the underlining made me think it's a heading |
| 21:06.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: my current college workstations have a local antivirus software on every system that blocks connections to remote ports commonly used for irc and other things, not many 'average' students would be able to bypass it |
| 21:06.37 | Thunder_Child | all underlining are links |
| 21:06.59 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Dude I know and I feel your pain. I'm on GaiaOnline from time to time |
| 21:07.37 | Dagmar | ...but blocking individual ports is generally something they shouldn't be doing |
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| 21:07.43 | cog|work | Legorol: since you're the second person to ask, i've edited the post ;) |
| 21:07.49 | Legorol | damn you cog|work, this actually looks interesting! |
| 21:07.58 | Thunder_Child | lol cog|work |
| 21:08.00 | Legorol | until now i had an excuse to not get hooked, namely the lack of instructions |
| 21:08.06 | Arrowmaster | well blocking access to irc servers is a security measure against botnets |
| 21:08.08 | Legorol | i'm supposed to be debugging an auctioneer issue >.< |
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| 21:08.27 | Dagmar | Sumner Co. schools here acutally uses a mostly-closed policy, but it's mainly because their head network guy was a hard-nosed bastard who just implemented it, and told them to come find him when someone comes up with a valid reason for wanting almost every port open for everything |
| 21:09.22 | Dagmar | Tey reversed that after he left, and suprise suprise had to devote lots of extra time to removing naughty programs |
| 21:10.44 | Industrial | go go gadget port 80 ssh tunnels |
| 21:11.16 | Dagmar | Yeah really. People who are smart enough to set those up on their own generally aren't the sort of people who will go and click the 'okay' button on just every dialog that appears unexpectedly |
| 21:11.27 | Arrowmaster | my class in highschool (vocational school, spent half the day for 2 years with the same 15 people) was natoriously known around the school as the group that could always get past the firewall and proxy everytime they tried to close whatever we were using |
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| 21:11.50 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: pff i use port 443 ssh tunnel |
| 21:11.54 | durcyn | port 80 ssh tunnels are what transparent proxying is for. |
| 21:12.16 | Industrial | http://www.najle.com/idaft/ |
| 21:12.30 | Dagmar | Transparent proxying does a good job of killing those, yes |
| 21:12.47 | Arrowmaster | it cant kill port 443 ones though |
| 21:12.52 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 21:13.49 | Arrowmaster | we werent this advanced back in highschool though |
| 21:14.06 | Arrowmaster | we mostly used a java app that had a huge list of open proxies |
| 21:15.28 | Arrowmaster | oh and our teacher had the only 2 analog phone lines in the entire campus and had modems on them, one to the main classroom router (networking class) and the other to his desktop |
| 21:16.41 | Thunder_Child | if you learn the Magnificent Flying Carpet "spell" then drop tailoring can use still use it? |
| 21:17.02 | Dagmar | yGood question |
| 21:17.08 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: lookup the spell on wowhead and see if it says requires tailoring, the engi ones do afaik |
| 21:17.29 | Dagmar | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=61309 |
| 21:17.29 | Thunder_Child | it does, but after use it i a spell |
| 21:17.31 | Dagmar | It does |
| 21:17.32 | Thunder_Child | "spell |
| 21:17.32 | Thunder_Child | " |
| 21:17.36 | durcyn | you cannot mount it if you drop tailoring. |
| 21:17.37 | Thunder_Child | is* |
| 21:17.46 | Dagmar | "Requires 425 skill in tailoring to ride" |
| 21:18.00 | Thunder_Child | it states that it requires tailoring to learn it |
| 21:18.15 | durcyn | it also states that it requires tailoring to ride it. |
| 21:18.18 | Arrowmaster | that is the spell you learn when you use it |
| 21:18.29 | durcyn | copy yourself to PTR and unlearn tailoring, if you don't believe me. |
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| 21:18.49 | Dagmar | ...or just read the tooltip on the mount itself. |
| 21:18.54 | mikma | :) |
| 21:19.10 | mikma | yeah it requires tailoring. just like engineer copter requires engineering. |
| 21:19.41 | Hirsute | Speaking of which... I need to go back to Outland and get the mats together to make myself a chopper. |
| 21:19.44 | Cide | Dagmar: don't think that explicitly states riding |
| 21:19.50 | Cide | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44558 |
| 21:20.03 | Cide | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=61309 does |
| 21:20.19 | Cide | if that was what you referred to by "the mount itself" |
| 21:20.19 | mikma | jebus christ how easy mats |
| 21:20.24 | Dagmar | Dude, scroll up and note the URL I pasted |
| 21:20.48 | Cide | indeed |
| 21:20.51 | Dagmar | ...and my typing "Requires 425 skill in tailoring to ride." |
| 21:20.51 | Thunder_Child | mats arent easy for me :( |
| 21:20.56 | mikma | wake up and smell the flowers!!!!11oneone |
| 21:21.26 | Cide | I did indeed notice it |
| 21:21.39 | Cide | but figured you meant the item when you said "the mount itself" |
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| 21:23.50 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: wtf Lucida Console, 11-point? you dont have DejaVu Sans Mono installed? |
| 21:23.54 | Dagmar | Yes, the mount itself says exactly what I pasted. |
| 21:24.01 | Hirsute | Legorol: What auctioneer issue are you supposed to be debugging? |
| 21:24.04 | Dagmar | If I were talking about the item that teaches you the mount, I'd have said so. |
| 21:24.15 | Dagmar | As far as I know only things like item enchants can be "cheated" like that |
| 21:24.16 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: actually i use bitstream vera mono |
| 21:24.23 | Legorol | Hirsute: game freeze/lag when you mouse over items in your bags/bank |
| 21:24.23 | Anaral | Hirsute: Scorll back in norg-dev |
| 21:24.30 | Cide | here we go again |
| 21:24.35 | Cide | I'm forced to be an ass |
| 21:24.36 | Hirsute | Interesting. |
| 21:24.47 | Dagmar | ...but I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to have a silent check disallowing me to put the bracers back on after I've dropped leatherworking |
| 21:24.51 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: DejaVu Sans Mono is Bitstream Vera Mono plus lots more non english glyphs |
| 21:24.58 | Dagmar | Who's forcing you? |
| 21:24.59 | Hirsute | Anaral: Don't have that backscroll. |
| 21:25.01 | Cide | you. |
| 21:25.08 | Dagmar | Really. That's interesting. |
| 21:25.12 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: but since most people aren't so picky about their fonts, i changed it to something nearly every windows computer has |
| 21:25.19 | Dagmar | Perhaps if you were a little less argumentative. |
| 21:25.26 | Cide | that wouldn't be fun |
| 21:25.26 | Thunder_Child | fail, LFG gets cleared when you level up |
| 21:25.27 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: thanks for the tip :) |
| 21:25.36 | Dagmar | ...because out of the several people telling him you can't do that, *I'm* the one you wanted to argue against. |
| 21:25.56 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: whats CP437? |
| 21:26.18 | cog|work | the set of ascii characters used by dos |
| 21:26.30 | cog|work | including all the line drawing & block characters |
| 21:26.31 | Cide | you're acting like it was absolutely crystal clear and unambiguous that "mount" implies "spell". it's not. but if you like, go ahead and act like an ass when I misunderstood you (and explained that I did indeed misunderstand you) |
| 21:26.46 | cog|work | which are replaced with non-english characters in unicode and other western encodings |
| 21:27.06 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: this sounds like some ancient software |
| 21:27.52 | Dagmar | Well, get used to the change they made then. You're not longer given a mount when you buy or make one, you're given an item that when read teaches you to summon the mount. |
| 21:28.00 | Dagmar | s/not longer/no longer/; |
| 21:28.22 | Cide | indeed |
| 21:28.28 | Cide | I'm aware of the change |
| 21:28.40 | Dagmar | personally, I'd be happier if they just made them scrolls or something like a deed so it would be less "magical" in the way it works |
| 21:28.49 | Cide | but when I stated that I misunderstood you, you somehow figured your wording was 100% unambiguous |
| 21:29.02 | Cide | "<Dagmar> If I were talking about the item that teaches you the mount, I'd have said so." |
| 21:29.17 | Dagmar | They were. |
| 21:29.28 | Cide | in your world, obviously |
| 21:29.48 | Thunder_Child | get a room you 2 |
| 21:29.55 | Cide | uh |
| 21:29.56 | Dagmar | "<Dagmar> ...or just read the tooltip on the mount itself." |
| 21:30.01 | Dagmar | Let it *go* already. |
| 21:30.16 | Cide | cut the arrogance and I will |
| 21:30.25 | Dagmar | What arrogance? |
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| 21:30.43 | Cide | do you want me to link you a definition? |
| 21:31.00 | Dagmar | I'd like you to demonstrate how me saying that he should check the mount itself is somehow arrogant? |
| 21:31.09 | Dagmar | It was definitely unambiguous. |
| 21:31.39 | Thunder_Child | thoes 2 are making the rest of us assholes look bad |
| 21:32.43 | Cide | that's not arrogant at all. I misunderstood what you meant, and when I pointed out that the item doesn't say anything about that, along comes "<Dagmar> If I were talking about the item that teaches you the mount, I'd have said so." |
| 21:33.10 | Dagmar | So how is *that* supposed to be arrogant? |
| 21:33.25 | Cide | not everyone is gifted with introspection I suppose |
| 21:33.35 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: 1986-ish |
| 21:33.36 | Dagmar | I didn't call you names, I simply stated an explanation |
| 21:33.41 | cog|work | it was originally a bbs door game |
| 21:33.52 | Cide | calling one names isn't arrogance |
| 21:33.59 | Dagmar | No, it's just *rude* |
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| 21:34.05 | Cide | in other words |
| 21:34.12 | Cide | want me to link you a definition? |
| 21:34.16 | Dagmar | How about this... You leave it at "I made a mistake" and let it go already. |
| 21:35.21 | Cide | oh, but I did misunderstand you and I gladly admit it |
| 21:35.26 | Dagmar | Then we're done here. |
| 21:35.35 | Cide | as long as you cut the arrogance, yes we are |
| 21:35.40 | Cide | otherwise I'll have to bring it up again |
| 21:35.45 | Cide | which bothers me |
| 21:35.51 | Dagmar | I've a better idea. I'll just put you in my ignore list. |
| 21:36.04 | Cide | it'll make the discussion shorter |
| 21:36.09 | Cide | sadly I'll still see what you're typing |
| 21:36.35 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.47 | Cide | correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure you're more knowledgable with your CISSP certificate |
| 21:36.50 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: bitstream vera's block graphics are actually much nicer looking fwiw |
| 21:37.06 | Cide | Tekkub: I know! these discussions are fun. sadly I don't have any popcorn |
| 21:37.27 | Cide | makes the waiting for the reply all more unbearable |
| 21:37.31 | Hirsute | So... who thinks worlds.com is going to get crushed? |
| 21:37.32 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Now I'm hungry. |
| 21:37.37 | Dagmar | Hirsute: Absoltely |
| 21:37.52 | Dagmar | Hirsute: Picking on a company who've got enough money to hire an entire law school was a bad idea |
| 21:38.14 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: so the only difference between your settings and default that i see is that 'enable blinking text' is enabled, backspace sends ^H instead of ^?, columns and rows are hard coded at 80x25 instead of 80x24 that changes as you resize the window, it uses a blinking underline cursor instead of a solid block, codepage is CP437 with drawing characters in both ANSI and OEM |
| 21:38.19 | Dagmar | They should have stuck with making little wins with companies that wouldn't fight back until they'd established enough precedents. |
| 21:38.32 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 21:38.35 | Arrowmaster | and ANSI Yellow is 187 85 0 instead of 187 187 0 |
| 21:39.04 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: all of the ansi colors, actually |
| 21:39.11 | cog|work | are adjusted |
| 21:39.12 | Dagmar | There's actual "DOS terminal" fonts you can get to use with PuTTY if you want the "authentic 1980's experience" |
| 21:39.31 | Arrowmaster | no i looked at them all and only ANSI Yellow was changed |
| 21:39.41 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: hmm... then i exported the wrong ones :P |
| 21:39.54 | Arrowmaster | and i have to go afk for a while |
| 21:40.36 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/dejabitstream.png |
| 21:42.09 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, is it supposed to work like the top or bottom? |
| 21:42.15 | Thunder_Child | s/work/look/ |
| 21:42.33 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: bottom |
| 21:42.43 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, doesnt |
| 21:42.55 | Thunder_Child | at least not my putty with your config |
| 21:42.58 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: what doesn't? |
| 21:43.04 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 21:43.20 | cog|work | i'm talking to arrowmaster about different fonts. there are no other settings different between those two |
| 21:43.31 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:43.38 | Thunder_Child | one has better res/graphics |
| 21:44.06 | cog|work | the settings file i uploaded uses a different font than either of these, but it should look about like the bottom one |
| 21:44.12 | Thunder_Child | doesnt |
| 21:44.15 | Thunder_Child | looks like the top one |
| 21:44.16 | cog|work | screenie? |
| 21:44.20 | Thunder_Child | unless i dont have the font |
| 21:44.49 | cog|work | Settings->Window->appearance-> pick whatever the font you want :P |
| 21:45.38 | cog|work | courier new is a good fallback if your other fonts look shitty |
| 21:46.11 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/putty.jpg |
| 21:46.46 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Those gaps in the the letters for "Trade Wars" shoulnd't be there afaik |
| 21:47.29 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: you must not have Lucida Console then. |
| 21:47.43 | cog|work | try changing it to courier new (or any of the other fonts it lets you, for that matter) |
| 21:48.24 | Thunder_Child | hmm..according to this it is already courier new |
| 21:48.35 | Dagmar | Aha! Finally fouund it again. http://www.dafont.com/perfect-dos-vga-437.font |
| 21:49.28 | cog|work | Fixedsys is pretty much like that one |
| 21:49.44 | cog|work | but bitmap fonts are 4tl imo |
| 21:49.52 | Dagmar | Agreed |
| 21:50.23 | Gnarfoz | <3 Consolas |
| 21:50.41 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: consolas doesn't display the block drawing characters for me |
| 21:50.49 | cog|work | in putty anyway |
| 21:50.55 | Gnarfoz | doesn't even do line drawing :( |
| 21:51.00 | Gnarfoz | but the letters are shiny! :O |
| 21:51.11 | Gnarfoz | yeah, bad |
| 21:51.16 | Dagmar | Bugger, I thought that would work the same as the vga8x16.fon conversion I've got |
| 21:51.24 | Dagmar | Gaps in solid block tho. *sigh* |
| 21:51.58 | cog|work | http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/ < bitstream vera mono is the best looking font i've found that works properly with CP437 |
| 21:58.10 | Pneumatus | http://dejavu-fonts.org/ replaced bitstream vera ages ago if you want updated versions :) |
| 21:58.32 | cog|work | Pneumatus: and they made it shittier looking... see the chat we just had about it :P |
| 21:58.44 | cog|work | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/dejabitstream.png |
| 21:59.47 | cog|work | besides, ascii is only 256 characters and bitstream has them all |
| 22:00.16 | Lunessa | time to go home. |
| 22:00.21 | Pneumatus | true, the real power of dejavu is the fact it covers basically every characterset in existance |
| 22:00.29 | Pneumatus | well, perhaps not quite |
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| 22:03.55 | durcyn | i thought dejavu was just bitstream with ISO-8859-2 characters added |
| 22:04.03 | cog|work | apparently not |
| 22:04.34 | Pneumatus | i thought that the original glyphs from vera wouldnt be touched |
| 22:04.55 | Pneumatus | at least thats what they always said as a guideline |
| 22:05.24 | cog|work | hmm... i wonder... |
| 22:06.20 | cog|work | nope.. that didn't fix it... it does look like they changed the glyphs |
| 22:06.57 | Pneumatus | infact to quote their wiki "Altering existing characters is not discouraged however original Bitstream Vera characters (see Current status) should not be altered. " |
| 22:07.05 | Pneumatus | guess someone failed in that case :< |
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| 22:08.24 | darkorical | hello? |
| 22:08.31 | cog|work | hi |
| 22:09.12 | Thunder_Child | low |
| 22:09.30 | darkorical | a friend was telling me there was a fairly easy to use program for creating unit frames |
| 22:09.54 | darkorical | and they have conviently forgotten the name of it |
| 22:10.47 | darkorical | ive spent an hour or so looking for something that fits his discription and or a tutorial that makes it easy to understand how to do it |
| 22:11.27 | cog|work | darkorical: vranx.com has a hand-picked list of popular addons. it might be on there |
| 22:12.22 | Dagmar | oUI? |
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| 22:13.35 | darkorical | actually im looking to create a new one .. or find someone who can do it for me |
| 22:14.58 | Dagmar | er... oUF was actually what I meant to say. Couln't remember the name of it but it sounds like what you were describing |
| 22:15.21 | darkorical | I had an idea for a combination target frame action bar |
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| 22:16.43 | Dagmar | "cleek on the green bar to refill it before it empties!" |
| 22:17.27 | darkorical | umm yea basicly |
| 22:17.31 | Gnarfoz | sounds like healbot or grid+clique? |
| 22:17.32 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:17.58 | darkorical | a step beyond healbot actually |
| 22:18.33 | darkorical | heal bot allows you click combinations to cast various spells |
| 22:19.02 | Gnarfoz | I detest healbot, anyway |
| 22:19.22 | Dagmar | I know. |
| 22:19.26 | Dagmar | I'm not sure you can go beyond that one |
| 22:19.42 | Dagmar | One of my coworkers uses it and it he doeen't even know what some bosses look like |
| 22:19.54 | Dagmar | he just auto-follows a mage |
| 22:20.13 | darkorical | can I post a link to image ? |
| 22:21.00 | darkorical | idea came from heal bot and necrosis |
| 22:21.09 | darkorical | http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6492/healring.jpg |
| 22:21.33 | darkorical | came up with that layout idea basically each section of outer ring is button for difernet levels of heals |
| 22:21.57 | darkorical | portrate cases Hot and name plate removes desease |
| 22:22.07 | darkorical | casts* |
| 22:23.07 | darkorical | outer ring being the health meter * |
| 22:25.17 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: so i have bitstream vera sans mono 1.10 installed too and i cant get it to look like your screenshot |
| 22:25.44 | Thunder_Child | cog|work cheats |
| 22:26.09 | Tekkub | why don't you just use clique... |
| 22:26.43 | Gnarfoz | Tekkub: that'd be too obvious, you know |
| 22:26.50 | Tekkub | obviously |
| 22:27.14 | Gnarfoz | I see what you did there... |
| 22:27.25 | Dagmar | Clock hands, circles, it's all the same. They're harder to compare to each other than simple half-filled boxes and rectangles. |
| 22:27.50 | Dagmar | I suppose it's not as bad now that 40-mans are done with |
| 22:29.13 | darkorical | as near as I can tell clique requires click combinitions ie left click + shift = spell 1 but left click + ctrl= spell2 |
| 22:29.58 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 22:30.13 | Gnarfoz | you could also leave the modifier out |
| 22:30.27 | Gnarfoz | still wouldn't make different areas of a frame do different stuff |
| 22:30.44 | Gnarfoz | (which seems to be an inferior concept, anyway) |
| 22:34.01 | Tekkub | 5-button mouse and shift is all I've ever needed |
| 22:34.40 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: tell zoot to get back to work |
| 22:35.09 | Arrowmaster | its only like 3pm pacific |
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| 22:49.48 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: tell him yourself :P (press * to see global commands including chat options :P ) |
| 22:52.52 | kmcguire | My job finally released my god like super human programming ability, or its just another trick to screw with my head some more. |
| 22:53.01 | kmcguire | realized/released |
| 22:53.06 | kmcguire | Same thing. |
| 22:53.36 | Thunder_Child | released sounded better |
| 22:55.28 | Dagmar | ...ahtough highly improbably |
| 22:55.31 | kmcguire | I will tell them they got pwned. |
| 22:55.33 | Dagmar | er improbable. |
| 22:55.39 | kmcguire | hehe |
| 22:55.56 | Dagmar | Most employers will try to say "All yer stuff belongs to US" when they figure out they've got a skilled coder working for them |
| 22:56.10 | Gnarfoz | they can try |
| 22:56.11 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 22:56.14 | kmcguire | Not if I put down my lava burst totem in the middle of the office. |
| 22:56.24 | Dagmar | Damn skippy. |
| 22:57.00 | kmcguire | Put a DoT on um. =p |
| 22:57.36 | Dagmar | Last place I coded at it was three months before they figured out that *I* wsa the open-source programmer whose project we were using for some infrastructure stuff |
| 22:58.20 | Tekkub | I like my working arrangements |
| 22:58.28 | Tekkub | "Will you sign an NDA" "Yea Sure" |
| 22:58.37 | Tekkub | that was it, never came up again |
| 22:58.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:59.24 | Dagmar | Assuming they're not pulling an HP and tappin' yer phones |
| 22:59.32 | kmcguire | Yeah, I had to sign one of those. The guy wrote it so quickly.. haha.. it had like major spelling mistakes. He might have spelled "You" as "Yuo". It was funny. |
| 22:59.41 | Tekkub | they don't even know my phone number |
| 22:59.56 | Tekkub | hell, aside from the account that cuts me check, I don't think they know my real name |
| 23:00.01 | Tekkub | *accountant |
| 23:00.12 | kmcguire | Yeah, jobs are weird. |
| 23:00.42 | kmcguire | Do they want to make money... or just screw around all day making people mad. |
| 23:01.21 | Thunder_Child | i'm not just a glass cannon....i'm a glass canon with a weak capacitor |
| 23:01.27 | Dagmar | You work for Comcast or AT&T? |
| 23:01.31 | kmcguire | Oh, god. I used my real name in here. Shit. They are going to find the logs. rofl. |
| 23:02.12 | Dagmar | No wait, what am I saying... With that description you *must* be working for EMI or Paramount or something |
| 23:05.04 | NeoTron | ahaha. V0-L7R-0N has an ability P3Wx2 Laser Barrage |
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| 23:06.10 | Dashkal | " * Northrend deposits now despawn 1 minute after mining them. This change was made to speed up respawning when nodes were partially looted." Oh cool |
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| 23:06.44 | Dagmar | What kind of a**holes were doing that? |
| 23:06.53 | Tekkub | retarded ones |
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| 23:07.16 | Tekkub | just like the people that don't completely loot chests |
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| 23:07.28 | Dashkal | There's the odd dipshit who would mine a node and leave one crystalized earth on it |
| 23:07.39 | Dagmar | They should just make it so that you get a debuff that counts down 120 seconds the moment you mine a node |
| 23:07.54 | Dagmar | ...which is only cleared when you empty the node, and if it isn't cleared, kills you. |
| 23:07.58 | Dashkal | it can also happen by accident: full bags |
| 23:08.10 | Tekkub | or just force autoloot, problem solved |
| 23:08.13 | Dagmar | ...or kills you immediately if someone else just mined the node. |
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| 23:09.08 | Dagmar | With all the saronite ore everywhere, do we *need* it to spawn more often? |
| 23:09.41 | Dashkal | Lowering the spawn rate in general is a different issue |
| 23:09.43 | Thunder_Child | my friends and i are such duches we set up a blog to rag on one of our friends warlock path in d&d |
| 23:10.35 | Dashkal | "# The calendar now supports a guild-wide sign-up sheet, allowing the event organizer to invite his or her entire guild." Oh thank god |
| 23:11.01 | Thunder_Child | the calendar should do read/write by level as well |
| 23:11.03 | Dashkal | Mind you without restrictions on who can sign up that's only so useful |
| 23:11.17 | Thunder_Child | eg. it would be nice to see the calendar on my low level alt w/o being invited |
| 23:11.34 | Dagmar | Yeah every time I sign up for a run on guildportal I'm tempted to put my level 30 trading alt's name in |
| 23:12.05 | Dagmar | He could sure use some gear from Naxx. It wouold be great upgrades |
| 23:12.16 | Dashkal | I wonder if they'd take my 33 hunter :p |
| 23:12.43 | Dashkal | "Players first entering any dungeon that will result in a lock-out timer will be warned if they are going to be saved to the instance. This warning will include an option to port to the nearest graveyard before being saved." |
| 23:12.45 | Dashkal | *cheers* |
| 23:16.48 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: Thunder_Child: try changing to an even numbered font size... |
| 23:17.45 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, default is 10pt. |
| 23:19.26 | cog|work | odd |
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| 23:20.09 | Thunder_Child | crap |
| 23:20.10 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 23:20.38 | Thunder_Child | for some reason youe settings got corupted and they werent loading |
| 23:20.41 | Thunder_Child | your* |
| 23:20.52 | Thunder_Child | so i had a different font |
| 23:21.24 | Thunder_Child | i still dont have lucida console however |
| 23:24.59 | Thunder_Child | "iSperm: I can't believe no one has thought of this yet: the premise of this game is to guide your sperm (with rose in hand!) down a slightly-too-realistic Fallopian tube to the motherland. $1" |
| 23:25.10 | Thunder_Child | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/03/Picture_31.png |
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| 23:26.10 | bleeter | for anyone following the 'lowbies in WG causing tenacity to freak' issue, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15657787003&sid=1&pageNo=9#168 and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15657789774&sid=1 |
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| 23:26.29 | bleeter | GMs will now remove low level toons from WG.. just waiting on what their definition of 'low level for WG' is :/ |
| 23:26.58 | bleeter | ZorbaBeta: I think you were following ^^ |
| 23:28.13 | nevcairiel | i would be happy already if they remove <70 |
| 23:28.16 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: probably be restricted to the zone level, ie, 77-80 |
| 23:28.42 | bleeter | meh, I'd rather have tenacity only work for level 78-80 and let lvl 1's in |
| 23:29.08 | bleeter | will mean I can't roll a DK to go be a gunner for a friend on a realm I don't have a main on |
| 23:30.05 | bleeter | but, while we're at it |
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| 23:30.15 | bleeter | we should get all <lvl 35 people ported out of STV arena |
| 23:30.16 | bleeter | ' |
| 23:30.25 | bleeter | 'coz clearly STV isn't intended for a lvl 19 to be there ;) |
| 23:31.15 | Thunder_Child | wait what? "For some reason, Israeli missile maker Rafael thought that a Bollywood dance number will help missiles sales to India." |
| 23:31.24 | bleeter | and, if a lvl 5 approaches an enemy city... should get ported 'coz it's pretty obvious a lvl 5 shouldn't be approaching a big city |
| 23:31.24 | Thunder_Child | http://i.gizmodo.com/5169452/bollywood-missiles-ad-destroys-my-ears-eyes-faith-in-humanity |
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| 23:35.28 | Thunder_Child | oh...it's friday the 13th |
| 23:36.35 | Legorol | what's this "tenacity" you are referring to in the context of WG? |
| 23:37.22 | mikma | side with fever players get hp+damage boost |
| 23:37.28 | kd3 | it's a balancing buff based on population numbers |
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| 23:37.50 | kd3 | so, 38405850 level 1 alliance toons means horde's got a pretty massive tenacity buff |
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| 23:38.56 | mikma | tenacity needs to be rewritten imho |
| 23:39.08 | mikma | making it a ranged bonus |
| 23:41.18 | mikma | like a huge range which calculates own players and opposite players |
| 23:41.42 | mikma | the tenacity is rediculous when 1x horde can literalle rape 6x alliance |
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| 23:48.56 | Tekkub | I prefer my horde rapings 1 on 1 |
| 23:49.00 | Tekkub | or maybe 2 on 1 |
| 23:50.00 | bleeter | mikma: yeah, it's moderately broken. the first 2 seconds of battle exploit's fairly... nasty |
| 23:50.23 | bleeter | removing low level toons won't fix that, so beats me why if/when they fix that problem they can't just ignore lowbie toons in it's calculations as well... /shrug |
| 23:50.36 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, no....just no |
| 23:51.14 | Tekkub | TC, yea... oh fuck yes! |
| 23:53.19 | mikma | the walls suck |
| 23:53.30 | mikma | they let demolishers through the doors |
| 23:53.44 | mikma | tenacity is absolutely rediculous |
| 23:54.14 | mikma | 1 horde can whoop all the vehicles approaching towers -> kill all the passangers |
| 23:54.18 | bleeter | WTB: Tracking of [Trade Goods] |
| 23:54.32 | bleeter | we got reagent vendors, mail boxes, flight points, etc etc no trade goods WHY? |
| 23:54.48 | Tekkub | because there's lots of different kinds? |
| 23:54.58 | Tekkub | there generic ones and trade-specific ones |
| 23:54.59 | bleeter | lots of diff kinds of reagent vendors? |
| 23:55.11 | kd3 | not really |
| 23:55.48 | mikma | oh, and the fact that opposite faction can logout at the orb and when the maindoor is broken they instawin if that char touches the orb |
| 23:56.16 | bleeter | mikma: yup, it's well bugged and afaik no effort in 3.1 to fix it all |
| 23:56.28 | bleeter | afaik, certainly nothing patch notes nor no focussed testing |
| 23:56.31 | mikma | ya =/ |
| 23:56.45 | bleeter | i'l be fucked if I'm waiting around for 2.5 on my arse to see if anyone else has turned up to try and test shit |
| 23:57.02 | mikma | people can fly on the towers from icecrown and nuke the cannons |
| 23:57.34 | bleeter | i'm not even going to complain about the misleading package design wrt WG |
| 23:57.58 | bleeter | (if you note your WotLK boxes, it mentions aerial combat in a picture that has planes fighting each other in the skies above WG) |
| 23:58.10 | mikma | ya |
| 23:58.17 | Tekkub | there were planes when the box was designed :P |
| 23:58.30 | kd3 | yup |
| 23:58.40 | bleeter | yar, game content may change |
| 23:58.47 | Tekkub | if you look at the classic box they *clearly* show a party of level 20's killing a dragon :P |
